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[Transportation and Infrastructure Committee/ DART Board Special Called Joint Meeting on February 28, 2023.]
MORNING EVERYONE.THE TIME IS NOW 9 0 7 AND I CALLED TO ORDER THE FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023 TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE AND DART BOARD SPECIAL CALLED JOINT MEETING ON BEHALF OF THE TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE CHAIR.
IT IS 9 0 7 AND, UM, THE DART, UM, BOARD OF DIRECTORS CALLS ITS JOINT, UH, MEETING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO ORDER.
UM, COLLEAGUES WE'RE, THIS MORNING WE HAVE TWO ITEMS, OUR THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
TWO OF THEM ARE GONNA BE TOGETHER, WHICH IS A AND B.
THEY'RE GONNA BE PRESENTED, UM, BACK TO BACK, UM, 10 MINUTES EACH MAX.
UM, THEY ALREADY KNOW, KNOW WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY CAN.
IF YOU CAN DO IT LESS GREAT, THEN WE'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS.
WE WILL HAVE ONE HOUR ONLY FOR THIS SPOT.
SO BE VERY MINDFUL OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
WHAT YOU'RE GONNA ASK, UM, DART BOARD MEMBERS, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE RESPONDING MAYBE TO CERTAIN THINGS, MAYBE NOT.
IF YOU NEED TO INTERJECT, UM, JUST HIT YOUR LIGHT SO WE CAN, UM, WE KNOW YOU WANT TO SPEAK.
JUST BE MINDFUL THAT ONCE YOU PUSH IT, YOU'RE LIVE.
SO IF YOU WANT TO NOT BE HEARD, UM, IF YOU'RE HAVING A SIDE CONVERSATION, HIT THE, YOU HAVE TO HOLD THE MUTE BUTTON HERE IN, IN OUR BUILDING.
SO JUST, JUST IN CASE YOU, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.
UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THE ONE O'CLOCK HOUR, WE WILL BE DOING THE 2020 POOR BOND PROGRAM REVIEW AT THAT.
BEFORE WE DO THAT PART, WE'LL LET THE DART, UM, CHAIR CLOSE THE DART MEETING.
AND IF YOU WANNA STAY FOR THAT PORTION, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME, UM, BECAUSE IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, THERE'S NOTHING HOLDING YOU BACK OR TANYA YOU TO YOUR CHAIR FOR THAT.
UM, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, THE PRESENTERS WE WILL START WITH, UM, ARE GONNA BE NADINE LEE, THE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF DALLAS AREA RAPID TRANSIT, AS WELL AS DR.
ROBERT PEREZ, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AND GUS CON CARLI, WHICH ARE, IS THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
I'M NOT SURE HOW Y'ALL DECIDED Y'ALL WANTED TO DO IT.
I THINK I'M FIRST ON THE AGENDA, SO, UM, IF DR.
PEREZ IS OKAY, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UM, I'M NADINE LEE, THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF DART, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE.
UM, I WAS HERE TO, OR I CAME HERE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEFING ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT DART AND JUST KIND OF UPDATE YOU ON WHERE WE ARE.
UM, SO I'M GONNA FOCUS TODAY ON OUR EFFORTS TO IMPROVE THE WRITER EXPERIENCE AND ALSO, UH, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO TO MODERNIZE OUR SYSTEM, WHICH ARE REALLY CRITICAL FOR US TO IMPROVE THE EXPERIENCES OF OUR WRITERS AS WELL.
SO, UM, YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT, UM, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF, AND, UM, DURING MY TENURE HERE, I'VE BEEN FOCUSED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE SECURITY, CLEANLINESS, AND RELIABILITY FOR OUR RIDERS.
AND SO I'M GONNA TALK THROUGH A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN THAT REALM.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA REFERENCE, UM, A MULTI-DIMENSIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON, UM, WHICH INCLUDES MORE THAN JUST STAFFING, UM, MORE THAN JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT STAFFING.
UM, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY.
UH, WE HAVE A HOMELESSNESS AND MENTAL HEALTH STRATEGY, WHICH IS A PILOT WITH THE MEADOWS MENTAL HEALTH POLICY INSTITUTE.
UM, WE'RE GETTING READY TO PRESENT SOME INFORMATION TO THE BOARD HERE IN MARCH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT PILOT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE FOCUSING ON OUR CODE OF CONDUCT AS WELL AS A COMMUNITY POLICING STRATEGY.
AND ALSO SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT NEW TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE AND HOW THAT FACTORS INTO OUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR WRITERS AND, UM, AND OUR RESIDENTS AROUND THE, UH, AROUND THE REGION.
SO WE WANNA LOOK REALLY COMPREHENSIVELY AT SECURITY AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY MAKE THINGS, UH, MORE COMFORTABLE FOR OUR WRITERS AS THEY, UH, AS THEY TAKE DART THROUGHOUT THEIR TRIPS THROUGHOUT OUR SERVICE AREA.
UM, THE SECOND PIECE OF OUR RIDERSHIP INITIATIVES IS CLEANLINESS.
AND SO A FEW THINGS THAT WE'VE IMPLEMENTED, UM, AS OF LATE LAST YEAR ARE OUR CLEAN TEAM INITIATIVE, WHICH INCLUDES ONBOARD PORTERS.
UH, THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH UNITED COMMUNITIES OF FAITH, UH, EMPLOYING FOLKS WHO ARE FORMERLY UNHOUSED TO WORK ON OUR TRAINS AND AT OUR TRANSFER CENTERS, UM, TO HELP PICK UP TRASH AND TRY TO KEEP THINGS CLEAN THROUGHOUT THE RIDE.
UM, WE ARE IMPLEMENTING THOSE ONBOARD PORTERS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
AND, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY BECOME A REALLY GREAT, UH, EXPERIMENT FOR US BECAUSE IT'S BECOME A PATHWAY TO EMPLOYMENT FOR SOME OF THESE FOLKS WHO WERE HO FORMALLY UNHOUSED.
UM, SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE HAD A FEW OF OUR PORTERS, UM, NOW TAKE, UH, FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT WITH, UH, THE CONTRACT CLEANERS THAT WE HAVE ON, ON BOARD.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE ENHANCED OUR LIGHT RAIL STATION CLEANING AS WELL AS OUR BUS TRANSIT CENTER CLEANING.
UM, WE HAD CONTRACTS AND, AND WE HAD SORT OF SCHEDULE BASED CLEANINGS, UM, AT ALL THOSE LOCATIONS.
NOW WE'VE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED
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SOME ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE MEASURES WHERE WE CAN, WE HAVE TO CLEAN, UH, WITHIN LIKE AN HOUR, UM, OF, OF IDENTIFYING SOME ISSUES AT ONE OF OUR STATIONS.SO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL TEAMS OUT THERE WHO ARE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS CLEAN.
AGAIN, THIS ALL FEEDS INTO HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT OUR SYSTEM.
UM, AND WE CERTAINLY, UH, AS DART WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE A NICE EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY'RE INTERACTING WITH OUR SERVICES.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A LOT MORE FIELD INSPECTORS TO HELP US IDENTIFY WHERE THERE ARE ISSUES RELATED TO CLEANING THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE WE DO HAVE SOME CLEANING DONE, THAT IT WAS DONE TO OUR STANDARDS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO HAVE AN ELEVATOR ATTENDANCE PILOT.
UM, THIS IS DESIGNED TO HELP DETER PEOPLE FROM LIVING IN OUR STATION ELEVATOR.
SO YOU CAN IMAGINE IT'S A NICE QUIET PLACE FOR PEOPLE AT NIGHT AFTER THE SERVICES HAVE ENDED.
UM, AND IT'S ALSO PROBABLY WARM, UM, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS NOT HELPFUL FOR OUR CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE TO HAVE TO TAKE THE ELEVATOR, UM, TO, UH, ENTER THE ELEVATOR AND EXPERIENCE SOMEBODY WHO PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE LIVING THERE.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE ARE HAVING SOME SUCCESS WITH THAT.
UM, PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED WHEN THEY'RE SLEEPING IN THEIR ELEVATOR, BUT, UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THEM FIND OTHER PLACES TO GO.
UM, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A REALLY NICE CUSTOMER RESPONSE TO OUR CLEANLINESS INITIATIVES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND COMMENTS, WE'RE HEARING THAT CUSTOMERS ARE FEELING SAFER SEEING THE DART STAFF ON THE VEHICLES AND AT THE FACILITIES.
UM, SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK, UH, BOTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL AS THROUGH OUR CUSTOMER CARE CENTER.
UM, I WILL NOTE, UM, SPEAKING OF SECURITY STRATEGIES, THAT WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY INTERESTING, WAS THAT HAVING THE CLEAN TEAMS ON OUR TRAINS CLEANING UP ON A REGULAR BASIS ACTUALLY HAS ALLOWED, OR HAS, HAS CAUSED PEOPLE TO FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, AND SECURE ON OUR, ON OUR TRAINS.
AND SO IT'S AN INTERESTING FINDING, UM, AND IT SPEAKS TO THIS WHOLE QUESTION OF YOU, DO YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE LAW ARMED LAW ENFORCEMENT AND IN ORDER TO CREATE A SECURE ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR RIDERS? ON THE RELIABILITY FRONT, WE HAVE A HUGE EFFORT RIGHT NOW LOOKING AT WHAT WE REFER TO AS SYSTEM MODERNIZATION.
UM, WE HAVE PLANS TO BRING NEW VEHICLES, UH, TO OUR SYSTEM IN THE 2026 TO 2027 TIMEFRAME.
IT'S LIGHT RAIL VEHICLES, NEW FIXER OUT BUSES, ALSO NEW VEHICLES FOR THE TRINITY RAILWAY EXPRESS.
UM, THOSE, UH, ACQUISITIONS, THOSE PROCUREMENTS OF NEW VEHICLES, UM, OBVIOUSLY WILL HAVE NEW VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY.
OUR CURRENT VEHICLES ARE ABOUT 27 YEARS OLD, THE OLDEST ONES.
UM, AND SO WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY COMES UPGRADES TO OUR FACILITIES AND OUR STATION PLATFORMS. AND AS WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR STATE OF GOOD REPAIR NEEDS, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO UPGRADE SOME OF OUR FACILITIES WHILE WE'RE MAKING SOME CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS.
SO, UM, SOME OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IN MODERNIZATION ARE, WE ARE PLANNING TO ENGAGE CUSTOMERS IN THE DESIGN OF THE VEHICLES.
AND WHAT WE INTEND TO DO IS THINGS LIKE MOBILE SEAT LABS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME IN AND TACTICALLY FEEL WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE TO, UH, SIT IN A TRAIN THAT HAS A, HAS THE SEATS MOCKED UP A CERTAIN WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT'LL GIVE US A CHANCE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT THE CUSTOMERS NEED.
WHERE DO THEY PUT THEIR BELONGINGS, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH ROOM DO THEY NEED, IS THERE, UH, WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A PRESENTATION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF SEATS WOULD ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE OF ALL SIZES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE MUCH MORE INCLUSIVE AND, UH, REALLY, REALLY TRY TO, UM, ADDRESS WHAT THE CUSTOMERS NEED, AS WELL AS WHAT OUR OPERATORS AND MECHANICS NEED, UM, IN ORDER TO HAVE A GREAT VEHICLE.
SO THAT'S COMING IN THE, UH, 2026 TO 2027 TIMEFRAME, BUT YOU'LL BE SEEING US OUT THERE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, UM, ENGAGING WITH OUR CUSTOMERS.
IN ADDITION TO ADDITION TO THAT, WE WANNA CAPITALIZE ON NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AN AGING AND ALMOST OBSOLETE SIGNAL SYSTEM ON OUR, ON OUR, UH, ON OUR SYSTEM TODAY.
WHEN WE GET THOSE NEW VEHICLES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO UPGRADE SOME OF THOSE SIGNAL SYSTEMS. UM, AND THEN WHILE WE'RE AT IT, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING WE SHOULD ENHANCE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO LEVEL BOARDING.
UM, I MENTIONED THE SIGNAL SYSTEM, AND OF COURSE, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR UPGRADING OUR STATION STOPS AND FACILITIES, WE WANNA TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND THE LAST THING I'M GONNA LEAVE YOU WITH IS THAT IN AUGUST, DART WILL TURN 40 YEARS OLD.
AND SO BE, UH, BE AWARE THAT WE WILL BE PINGING YOU WITH CELEBRATIONS AND ACTIVITIES TO CELEBRATE OUR 40TH ANNIVERSARY, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL PARTICIPATE WITH US AND CELEBRATE WITH US.
AND NEXT IS GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA DO BOTH TOGETHER.
PEREZ GO AND THEN, THEN WE'LL DO QUESTIONS THAT WAY WE GET 'EM TOGETHER, CUZ YOU MIGHT BE BOUNCING BACK AND FORTH WITH SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
HONORABLE CHAIRS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE AND DART BOARD.
MY NAME IS ROBERT BEES, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UH, THIS MORNING WE'RE GOING TO, UH,
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TAKE YOU ON A HIGH LEVEL REVIEW OF SOME OF THE, UH, COLLABORATIVE ISSUES THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH.UH, CITY OF DALLAS IS WORKING, UH, WITH DART ON.
UM, SO FOR THIS PRESENTATION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, UH, INITIATIVES, UH, DART INTEGRATION WITH, UH, CITY, UH, PLANNING POLICY EFFORTS, AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT SOME CURRENT FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND FINISH UP WITH SOME DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY.
UM, BETWEEN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, PLANNING URBAN DEVELOPMENT TEAMS, WE ARE WORKING WITH, UH, DART, UH, TEAM, UH, TO, UH, MARKET SIX DART OWNED, UM, SITES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO LIGHT RAIL, UH, FACILITIES.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE TWO, UH, UH, CONSIDER OPTIONS FOR, UH, RE UH, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, UM, AT THE FOLLOWING STATIONS, UH, IN THE CURRENT, UH, STATION, THE HAMPTON STATION, WESTMORELAND STATION LAKE JUNE, UH, BUCKNER ROYAL LANE.
SO IN SEPTEMBER, UH, THE CITY, UH, ISSUED SIX RFPS.
THE SOLICITATION ENDED IN DECEMBER, 2022.
THERE HAVE BEEN A TOTAL OF 12 PROPOSALS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
UM, THERE'S AN EVALUATION COMMITTEE, UH, COMPOSED OF, UH, BOTH CITY AND DART STAFF.
UM, THE PROPOSALS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED, UM, IN INTERVIEWS WITH THESE SELECTED PROPOSALS.
UH, WERE SCHEDULED FOR MARCH OF 2023.
UM, THIS ITEM HAS GONE THROUGH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.
UM, AND THE, UH, NEXT STEPS INCLUDE BRIEFING THAT COMMITTEE IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS.
ASIDE FROM THAT, UM, WE ENVISION, UH, A LOT OF DART INTEGRATION, UH, IN THE FOLLOWING, IN, IN A NUMBER OF OUR POLICY AND PLANNING EFFORTS TO INCLUDE, UH, THE BIKE PLAN, UH, UPDATE THE ON STREETE PARKING AND CURB MANAGEMENT POLICY, AND THEN REIMAGINING DOWNTOWN AND CORRIDOR STUDIES.
UH, SOME OF THE THINGS LOOKING AT THE CORRIDOR STUDIES, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH DART, UM, ON OUR COLUMBIA MAIN PROJECT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY ROLLING OUT A NEW, UM, A NEWLY DESIGNED, UH, BUS STOP THAT INCLUDES, UH, BIKE LANE THAT'S ADJACENT TO A BIKE LANE, UH, WHICH WILL ALLOW FOR, UM, THERE, THERE'S, UH, I GUESS THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN WITH, UH, BUSES GOING INTO BIKE LANES.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ROLLING ON A NEW DESIGN THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A RAMP, UH, THAT WOULD, UH, LEAD TO THE LANE WHERE A BUS STOP OR A BUS WOULD STOP SO THAT THE BUS DOESN'T HAVE TO GO INTO, UH, THE BIKE LANE.
AS FAR AS, UH, UM, LAST SLIDE PLEASE.
UM, SO AS FAR AS, UH, OTHER CURRENT AND FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS, UH, WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE SILVER LINING AND THE COTTON BELT TRAIL.
UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY, UH, KEEPING OUR EYE ON THE D TWO SUBWAY AND THE POSSIBILITY OF STREETCAR.
UM, GIVEN THE, I GUESS, THE NUMBER OF THE IMPROVEMENTS TO INCLUDE THE CONVENTION CENTER IN THE DOWNTOWN, WHAT WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP, UH, DART CLOSE TO US AS WE SCOPE OUT OUR 2024 BOND PROGRAM, UM, LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO COMPLETE STREETS AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, INTEGRATE, UH, DART OPERATIONS INTO THE DESIGN OF OUR STREETS.
UM, DART WILL ALSO BE VERY HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH US UNDER VISION ZERO PROJECTS.
AND THEN LASTLY, AS DISCUSSED WITH THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE LAST WEEK, WE'RE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH DART ON THE EXCESS SALES TAX REVENUE PROJECTS.
AND, UM, I, I JUST, UH, JUST HANDED OUT TO YOU, UM, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS POSED LAST WEEK DURING TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE WAS, UH, WHERE WE STOOD AS FAR AS GOOD STANDING, UH, WITH DART, UH, ON THIS.
UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, THE QUESTION WAS POSED ABOUT, UM, SOME RUMORS, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACTS THOSE FUNDS AND, UM, WHAT WHAT WAS HANDED OUT TO YOU TODAY AS, AS A FIRST RUN, UH, OF WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UH, IMPACT THOSE DOLLARS.
AS FAR AS NEXT SLIDE, WE WE'RE OPEN UP TO ANY DIS UH, DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, REMEMBER WE HAVE, UM, UH, WE'RE GONNA BE FINISHED STOPPING THIS PORTION, THIS, THESE TWO AGENDA ITEMS AT 10 0 7, WE SAID GONNA DO ONE HOUR, AND THEN ONE HOUR FOR THE, UM, LAST PART ON THE, THE DOUS BOND.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT RODNEY, UH, SCHLOSSER DART BOARD MEMBER WANTED TO GIVE A REAL QUICK, LESS THAN TWO MINUTE, UM, RECAP.
SO IF YOU CAN GET THAT DONE AND THEN WE ARE GONNA GET TO QUESTIONS.
UM, FIRST I'M RODNEY SCHLOSSER.
I THINK I KNOW EVERYBODY WHO'S AT THE TABLE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL APPOINTED ME TO SERVE ON THE DART BOARD, UH, THREE YEARS AGO.
AND, UM, I CAME TO THIS AFTER HAVING BEEN ON THE PARK BOARD FOR EIGHT YEARS, AND I QUICKLY REALIZED THERE WERE TWO IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS AMONG MANY BETWEEN THE PARK BOARD AND THE DART BOARD.
UM, THE FIRST WAS, UH, A SIMILARITY, WHICH IS TRADE-OFFS THAT WE ALL HAVE TO MAKE TRADE-OFFS IN THE COURSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING.
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WHICH REALLY HAS BEEN AN AREA OF CONCERN FOR ME AND, AND REALLY A LOT OF INTROSPECTION, WAS THAT, UM, UNLIKE A CITY BOARD THAT HAS ONLY CITY REPRESENTATIVES, THE DART BOARD HAS TO DEAL ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH TRADE-OFFS WITH THE OTHER 13 OTHER 12 CITIES THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE ORGANIZATION.AND THAT REALLY HAS MAGNIFIED OVER THE LAST, UH, TWO OR THREE YEARS ABOUT THE DIFFICULTY OF WHAT WE ARE FACING AND THEREFORE WHAT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE COUNCIL IS FACING.
UM, THE IDEA OF TRADEOFFS AT DART IS NOT NEW.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS MAJOR TRADEOFFS A FEW YEARS AGO OVER BOTH THE BUILDING OF THE SILVER LINE AND THE AGREEMENT TO PROCEED WITH D TWO.
SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A TRADE OFF THE SUBURBS GOT.
THEY HAD BEEN ASKING FOR, FOR A FEW DECADES.
THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE SYSTEM GOT SOME RELIEF IN THE SECOND MAJOR DOWNTOWN, UH, LINE.
BUT HERE, I THINK IS THE CONTEXT THAT HAS CAUSED ME GREAT PAUSE, AND I WANNA ENCOURAGE US ALL, AND I'VE ENCOURAGED MY DALLAS AND SUBURBAN COLLEAGUES TO GIVE THIS THOUGHT AS WELL, IS THAT WE REALLY ARE POTENTIALLY AT A PRECIPICE.
AND THE SITUATION WITH THE SILVER LINE HAS, AS YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON REALLY PUT THIS ON A PEDESTAL.
UH, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE TAXPAYERS IN DALLAS FUNDED MORE THAN HALF OF DART.
UH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAST FIVE YEARS, ONLY ONE OF THOSE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS HAD A SITUATION WHERE DALLAS TAXPAYERS HAVE FUNDED MORE THAN HALF OF DART SAID DIFFERENTLY.
THE SUBURBS ARE NOW FUNDING MORE OF DART THAN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING MORE OF DART.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENSUS INFORMATION, THE SAME TRENDS ARE HAPPENING, RIGHT? WHICH IS THAT, UH, SOMETIMES BETWEEN NOW AND THE 2030 CENSUS, THE SUBURBS AND THEIR POPULATION WILL EXCEED THE POPULATION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHY DOES THIS MATTER? AND WHO CARES? AND THE REALITY IS THAT AS A RESULT OF THIS, AND AGAIN, THE SILVER LINE HAS JUST BECOME THE POSTER CHILD, IT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE.
WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE SUBURBAN MEMBERS OF THE DART BOARD HAVE GONE FROM BEING FRUSTRATED TO BEING EXTREMELY UNHAPPY.
AND YOU MIGHT SAY, WELL, WHY DOES THAT MATTER? AND IT MATTERS IN THE SENSE THAT I KNOW THERE IS REASON FOR MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE AND OTHERS ON THE COUNCIL TO BE FRUSTRATED WITH THE DALLAS MEMBERS OF THE DART BOARD.
AND I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I THINK MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE TABLE WOULD AGREE.
WE ARE ON A REGULAR BASIS HAVING TO DEAL WITH VERY TENSE SITUATIONS ON THE DART BOARD, WHICH COME DOWN TO A QUESTION OF GOVERNANCE AND CONTROL.
AND THERE IS A GROWING SENTIMENT, AND THERE'S AT LEAST ONE, I THINK TWO MEMBERS OF THE DART BOARD FROM OUTSIDE OF DALLAS WHO ARE HERE TODAY, WHO CAN SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF TAXATION WITHOUT EQUAL REPRESENTATION.
RIGHT NOW, DALLAS HOLDS EIGHT OF THE 15 SEATS.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM, FROM A MACRO PERSPECTIVE, DALLAS HAS LESS THAN HALF OF THE TAX REVENUE.
AND THIS INCREASING FIRE OF DISAGREEMENT AT THE DART BOARD IS RESULTING WITH RESULTING IN GROWING MOMENTUM TO ASK THE LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE OUR ENABLING LEGISLATION.
MR. SCHLOSSER, I'M GONNA, I I I WAS TOTALLY, IT WAS GONNA BE A QUICK RECAP OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU'RE KIND OF OFF AGENDA, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO EITHER BRING YOU IN TO, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT FIVE SECONDS OR WE CAN MOVE ON.
I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN THIS EARLY IN THE SESSION.
I'D RATHER HAVE THIS CONVERSATION IN THE BROADER CONTEXT THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO MOVE TO, WHICH IS THE CURRENT ISSUE OF THE UNALLOCATED SALES TAX.
UM, WE'RE GONNA START WITH MR. ATKINS.
YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME.
UM, UH, CHAIRMAN, COULD YOU TELL US, WE GOT A TIMEFRAME HERE, SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE AND HOW MUCH TIME RESPONDS? SO THEREFORE, I WANT NO ONE TAKE MORE TIME THAN I DO, UH, DRAFT VICE VERSA.
SO, UH, WHO GONNA PUT US ON THE CLOCK? I'LL BE WATCHING AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE BETWEEN FIVE AND SEVEN MINUTES BECAUSE WE DO HAVE TO BE DONE WITH THIS AT SEVEN AFTER, IN ORDER TO GET TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM FROM THE LAST ONE.
SO I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE QUICK AND BRIEF, BUT, UM, PLEASE TRY TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS TO BE QUESTIONS AND NOT, UM, LONG DIALOGUES.
CAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A LIMITED TIME ON THIS ITEM.
OKAY? I'M GOING TO DIP INTO THE SALE TAX REVENUE.
WHAT IS, UH, WE'VE BEEN HEARING THAT WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE, UH, ROUGHLY $111 MILLION.
AND I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT WE DONE CUT DOWN THAT WE MIGHT HAVE ROUGHLY $60 MILLION BECAUSE, UH, UH, DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE HAVE NOT CAME TO CONCLUSION ABOUT, ESPECIALLY ON SOME OF THIS PROJECT THAT DR.
PET USED TO HANG OUT AT FIRST WE'RE 20 MILLION.
SO MY DEAL IS WHAT DO THE CITY TAXPAYER THINKING BY WHAT WE MIGHT RECEIVE OF THE HUNDRED 11 MILLION AS OF TODAY? AS OF TODAY, IF WE WERE TO CALCULATE THE DELAYS AND THE BETTERMENTS TOGETHER, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF,
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I THINK IT'S, UM, UM, SO IT'S, UM, 33 MILLION FOR BETTERMENTS, 50 MILLION FOR DELAYS.OKAY, 33 MILLION FOR, BUT THAT'S AS TODAY, THAT'S AS OF TODAY.
AND EVERY DAY IS COST US HOW MUCH MONEY IN DELAYS.
UM, THAT NUMBER I'M STILL WORKING ON TRYING TO GET, BUT, UM, YOU CAN GUESS, GIVE ME A GUESS.
$150,000 A MONTH, $150,000 A DAY.
SO EVERY DAY DELAY COSTS $150,000.
AND WHAT IS THE HOLD UP IN DELAY? WHAT IS THE HOLD UP? WHAT IS THE MAIN HOLD UP THAT WE CANNOT RECEIVE OUR MONEY? SO WE HAVE, UM, THERE A LOT OF IT IS TRYING TO GET THE RESOLUTION ON WHAT OUR DESIGN IS GOING TO BE.
UM, WE'VE HAD SOME ISSUES WHERE, UH, I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN ANY SECRET THAT WE'VE REVISITED SOME ISSUES THAT WERE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE A LONG TIME AGO.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE HAD SOME TROUBLE GETTING THROUGH OUR DESIGN REVIEWS, UM, AND GETTING THEM TO APPROVALS AND THEN ALSO GETTING OUR CONSTRUCTION PERMITS.
THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY AREAS OF DELAY.
PAT, YOU WANT TO RE THAT? UH, IN, IN ADDITION TO THAT, SIR, I HAD ALSO MENTIONED, UM, UH, ASIDE FROM THE DESIGN, UH, I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS WITH THE, UH, I L A, UM, AS HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US, UH, WHICH EVEN ALLOWS FOR ANY OF THESE, UH, RETROACTIVE, UH, CHARGES.
SO, UM, I I THINK IT'S TWO FOLDED.
IT IS THE COMPLETION OF THE DESIGN AS WELL AS THE, UH, SOME OF THE LANGUAGES IN THE I L A THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED OR THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO US BY DART.
AND THIS REPORT YOU GAVE US TODAY, WE JUST RECEIVED, WHAT DO THIS HAVE TO DO WITH OUR ILA AND THE WHOLE UP? SO THIS GOES BACK, SIR, TO SOME OF THE, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT, UH, THE DART TEAM, UH, BELIEVES ARE BETTERMENTS.
UM, WE, WE RECEIVED THIS AS A STAFF YESTERDAY.
AND SO, UH, GOING THROUGH IT, UM, GUS HAS IDENTIFIED, I'M SORRY, DR.
CON, CARLY, DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION, HAS IDENTIFIED ANYWHERE FROM 80 TO 90% OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND NOT NECESSARILY BETTERMENTS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE LIST THAT IS, IS BEING PROVIDED.
AND PART OF, UM, SOME OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ACCOUNT FOR THIS DEDUCTION.
WHEN YOU SAID DESIGN CRITERIA, IS THAT BASED ON WHAT DESIGN? UM, THE CHANGE ORDERS OR WHAT? I MEAN, AS A WHOLE, WHAT IS THAT BASED ON? DID WE COME UP WITH THESE DESIGNS, THE DO COME UP WITH THESE DESIGNS? DID WE APPROVE THESE DESIGN? HOW DID THE 30 SOME MILLION CAME INTO, HOW DID IT GET THERE? UH, I'LL DEFER TO GUS ON THAT.
GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE CHAIR AND MEMBER OF THE, UH, UH, UH, UH, COMMITTEES.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO, UM, WHEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THE, UH, UH, SILVER LINE, THIS IS MORE OF A, UH, MACRO ITEM THAT, UH, INVOLVED THE CITY POLICIES AS WELL AS FEDERAL RULES.
SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A, UH, KIND OF BRIEFING ON THIS HERE IS THAT FROM THE ONSET OF THE DISCUSSIONS WITH DART, THE ISSUE OF, UM, THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE RISKS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, INCLUDING, UH, AND IT'S NOT ONLY THIS IS THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT THIS IS ALSO FOR OTHER CITIES WHEREBY, UM, WHEN THE, AND I BELIEVE THE, THE CONTRACT WAS SET UP IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE DESIGNS WERE TO BE, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE DART STANDARDS AND POTENTIALLY FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHEN ANYTIME THAT YOU CROSS A CROSSING AT A GIVEN CITY, WHETHER IT BE IN DALLAS PLAIN OR OTHER PLACES, IS THAT THERE WILL BE SOME DESIGN REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITIES AND OR, UH, UH, FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, GOING BACK TO THAT TIME, WE MENTIONED THAT THE, THESE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THE CONTRACT FROM THE BEGINNING.
WE HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, THERE ARE SPECIFICS ON SOME OF THE CORRIDORS, AND ACTUALLY IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE PROJECT, WE SAID THE TWO EASIEST CORRIDORS TO HANDLE WERE THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND DALLAS PARKWAY AND COIT.
THE REASON BEING IS THAT IRRESPECTIVE WHAT THE END RESULT ON THE DESIGN OF COIT, THE CONCEPT OF THE DESIGN IS GONNA BE THE SAME.
AND THE TWO MAIN ITEMS THAT WERE, UH, UH, POINTS OF DISCUSSIONS AND PROBLEMATIC WERE PRIMARILY ADA COMPLIANCE AS WELL ACCESS TO THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES LIFT STATION.
SO, UM, TO START WITH, FOR EXAMPLE, ON COIT, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS STUFF HERE IS MENTIONED ABOUT COIT,
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UH, VERY FEW PEOPLE KNOW THAT COIT IS ON THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY SYSTEM, UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, UH, AS PER FEDERAL, UH, CLASSIFICATION, AND THEREFORE IS SUBJECT TO FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS.AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS, BASICALLY THE ROADWAY HAS TO MEET CERTAIN, UH, DESIGN CRITERIA.
THE OTHER THING IS THE FACT THAT ON THE ADA REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG IS THAT, UH, ANYTIME THAT YOU'RE RECONSTRUCTING A FACILITY, AND THIS IS AGAIN IN LINE WITH WHAT COUNCIL HAS APPROVED AS FAR AS A STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, SPECIFICALLY THE POINT OF EQUITY, AND THEN ON THE VISION ZERO OF MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING HELD, UH, ARE BEING TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, WE SAID, OKAY, WHEN YOU RECONSTRUCT THIS ROADWAY, WE NEED TO HAVE THE, UH, ALL THE ADA COMPLIANCE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, UH, WHAT WE CONTINUE TO GET IS WE MADE THE COMMENTS BACK IN JULY OF 2021, EVEN TO THIS DATE, WE STILL DON'T HAVE A, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUEST OF MAKING SURE THAT ALL THE FACILITIES ARE, UH, IN, IN ADA COMPLIANCE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE GOT THE DISPOSITION FROM THE DESIGN ENGINEER FROM, UH, DARTH.
AND IT SAYS, ONE OF THE THINGS, IT IS NOT FEASIBLE TO MAINTAIN A CROSSWALK AT SUGAR CANE DURING CONSTRUCTION.
PEDESTRIANS HAVE TO WALK DOWN TO MCCOLLUM TO CROSS OVER TO WEST SIDE.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS NO CROSSWALK IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.
SO WHAT THIS IS TELLING US IS, OH, BY THE WAY, IF YOU ARE A HANDICAP OR IF YOU ARE A PEDESTRIAN, YOU'RE GONNA WALK 1200 FEET DOWN, CROSS ON A, UH, EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT IS OLD, AND THEN GO BACK 1200 FEET AGAIN TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GO.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WILL SAMPLE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING.
SO WE ARE, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS COMPLYING WITH THE CITY REQUIREMENTS, WHAT COUNCIL HAS SET UP FOR US, AS WELL AS, UM, UH, THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS OF FEDERAL RULES, ADA COMPLIANCE, AND SO ON.
SO, A VARIETY OR SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE IN THIS LIST FALL IN THESE CATEGORIES.
I THINK MR. CHAIRMAN, SEE HOW, CANNOT GIVE THIS LAST QUESTION, UH, TO DART INTO THE CITY.
UH, WE ARE SAYING WE ARE IN DEFAULT MIGHT BE THE WRONG WORD, THE PERMITS BEHIND WHATEVER.
HOW DO THE CITY MANAGER DART OF ATTORNEYS? ARE WE WORKING THIS OUT? AND I NEED A TIMELINE, A DEADLINE THAT WE CAN COME WITH A CONCLUSION BECAUSE EVERY MINUTE IT COSTS US $150,000 A DAY, $150,000 A DAY.
GET IN A ROOM, GET THIS RESOLVE.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T GET $111 MILLION.
WE MIGHT GET 50 MILLION, WE MIGHT GET ZERO.
CAUSE EVERY TIME IT EATEN UP, AND ONE THING, I KNOW THE SILVER LINE IS STILL GONNA GET BUILT, BUT WE AS A CITY DOLLARS GONNA LOSE MONEY.
THE OTHER PART OF THE CITY, THEY GONNA GET ZERO.
SO GET IN THE ROOM, CLEAN IT UP, AND GIMME A TIMELINE, MR. CHAIR, ASK EM FOR THE TIMELINE, A DEADLINE TO GET IT DONE AS THE CITY MANAGER, LETS GET IT DONE AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE GONNA GET BACK TO OUR TAXPAYERS.
Y'ALL WANT TO, CAN WE GET A TIMELINE AND YOU GET IT TO US AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE.
I JUST WANNA COMMENT, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF, UM, TO GET ALL OF OUR PLANS REVIEWED AND APPROVED WITHIN THE 10 DAY TIME PERIOD THAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE ILA, UH, THE PREVIOUS ILA THAT YOU ALL ALREADY SIGNED.
UM, AND WE HAVE SOME PLANS THAT TOOK 290 DAYS TO GET A RESPONSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH EVERYONE.
I THINK LATELY WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM THROUGH THE DESIGN AND REVIEW PROCESS, UM, AND WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING SOME TURNAROUND.
IT'S STILL TAKING MORE THAN 10 DAYS, I GET THAT.
UM, BUT WE ARE HAVING COMMENTS, RESOLUTIONS, MEETINGS TO TRY TO MOVE EVERYTHING FORWARD.
SO WE ARE, YOU KNOW, ON THE DART SIDE AND, AND CERTAINLY ON THE STAFF SIDE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER TO EXPEDITIOUSLY PROCESS ALL OF THOSE DESIGN REVIEWS AND APPROVALS.
UM, WE ARE STILL WAITING ON CONSTRUCTION PERMITS.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE DESIGN APPROVAL, THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT SHOULD COME QUICKLY.
UM, IN SOME CASES WE'RE GOING TO THE PERMIT OFFICE TO GET THE PERMIT, UM, MULTIPLE DAYS IN A ROW AND BEING TURNED AWAY EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE OUR PLANS APPROVED.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON TRYING TO GET THOSE THING, THOSE CONSTRUCTION PERMITS SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO AND DO OUR WORK CHAIR.
CAN WE HEAR FROM STAFF IN RESPONSE TO THAT? I MEAN, IF THERE'S A DELAY OF COUPLE HUNDRED DAYS, I'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT AT THIS TIME.
YOU'RE OUTTA ORDER CHAIR MENDELSON.
WE'RE WE'RE WE, I HAVE, THERE'S A QUESTION I HAD.
MR. ATKINS HAS THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, AND WHEN IT'S YOUR TURN, YOU CAN ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
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SO NEXT, UM, HOW THINGS ARE GOING IS, I'M GONNA GO TO THE RIGHT AND THEN THE LEFT WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.UM, CHAIR WILLIS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME.
AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UM, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
I, I WAS PLANNING TO GO KIND OF TOWARD THE END HERE, BUT, UH, SOME THINGS WERE JUST BROUGHT UP THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT, UH, WITH REGARD TO THIS.
AND IT'S KIND OF A HE SAID, SHE SAID, AND I DON'T MEAN THAT LITERALLY
AND SO MAYBE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 10 DAY, UH, LACK OF A 10 DAY RESPONSE, IT MAY BE BECAUSE THAT SHOT CLOCK CAN'T EVEN START BECAUSE THERE ARE NON-RES RESOLVED ISSUES.
AND, UM, I AGREE WITH CHAIR MENDELSON, WHAT SHE WAS GETTING AT.
IF THERE'S A A A A RESPONSE OF 200 DAYS, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIGGER DEAL AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, I ALSO KNOW THAT ON DART'S SIDE OF THE COURT, UM, I'VE HEARD ABOUT DELAYS IN RESPONSE AND THERE PROBABLY ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU ALL WOULD REFUTE OR REBUT WITH REGARD TO THAT.
AND ONE THING THAT'S COME OUT OF THIS AFTER LISTENING TO THIS GOING BACK AND FORTH AFTER ALL OF THESE MONTHS, AND WITH SO MUCH MONEY AT STAKE AND WITH WHAT CHAIR ATKINS WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THIS, UH, SALES TAX THAT CAN HELP US BOTH ACCOMPLISH GREAT THINGS FOR OUR RESIDENTS, UM, IS THAT I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED FACILITATION.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BRING OUR ISSUES, UH, THESE POINTS THAT KEEP GETTING BATTED BACK AND FORTH WITH NO RESOLUTION AND LOTS OF CONTENTION, AS MR. SCHLOSSER POINTED OUT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S GETTING, IT'S THIS BAD MARRIAGE.
IT'S SOUNDING LIKE A BAD MARRIAGE.
AND THE WAY YOU CAN GET AT THIS IS WITH SOME SORT OF COUNSEL.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONSIDER AN OBJECTIVE FACILITATOR TO BRING THESE ISSUES TO THE TABLE AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER DISCUSSING THESE DELAYS AND YOU DID THIS AND YOU DID THAT REALLY GET TO THE HEART OF MOVING THIS PROJECT FORWARD, OR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND OUR RELATIONSHIP FORWARD.
SO, UM, I WANNA INTRODUCE THAT THOUGHT, AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL WHEN IT GOES AROUND.
UM, IF, IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO DO BECAUSE I I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN A PRODUCTIVE WAY AND, UM, OR EVEN MOVING FORWARD.
AND SO WITHOUT GETTING GRANULAR ABOUT THE I L A, WHICH IS OF CONCERN TO ME, I UNDERSTAND PLANO IS CONCERNED ABOUT IT AS WELL, AND MAYBE OTHERS.
UM, I JUST, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S, IT'S TIME FOR OBJECTIVE CONSIDERATION AROUND THESE POINTS SO WE CAN RESOLVE THEM AND MOVE FORWARD.
UM, COULD YOU DEFINE GOOD STANDING? SO THERE ARE SEVERAL PROVISIONS ON GOOD STANDING, AND I'M GONNA REFERENCE, UM, MY DOCUMENT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T MISS ANY.
UM, BUT IT STARTS WITH ASSURING THAT, UM, ANY CITY THAT SIGNS THE I L A WILL ACTUALLY ENSURE THAT THEY'RE PAYING ANY OUTSTANDING DEBT OWED TO DART.
UM, SO, AND, AND I'LL JUST USE, UM, A PARTICULAR EXAMPLE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
UM, WE HAD A PAYMENT THAT WAS DUE TO DART FOR THE STREETCAR OPERATION THAT HAD NOT BEEN MADE.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT HAS SINCE BEEN MADE, JUST SO YOU KNOW.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE IF IT, IF YOU HAD AN OUTSTANDING PAYMENT TO DART FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE WE ARE OPERATING THE STREETCAR, YOU OWN IT.
UM, AND SO IT WOULD BE LIKE PAYING ANY OF YOUR CONTRACTORS.
UM, SO ANY OUTSTANDING PAYMENTS TO DART, UM, WOULD HAVE TO BE, UM, WOULD, WOULD HAVE TO BE FULLY PAID.
SO, UM, THE OTHER, THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL PROVISIONS.
UM, SO THE OTHER ONE, ANOTHER ONE IS THAT, UM, THE CITY SHALL HAVE TIMELY ACTED UPON AND FULLY SATISFIED.
ALL APPLICATIONS ARE SUBMITTALS BY DART OR DART DART'S CONTRACTOR FOR PERMITS, UM, REQUESTS FOR PROJECT DESIGN REVIEW COMMENTS AND APPROVALS, INCLUDING THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANS AND THAT, THAT SORT OF THING.
SO REALLY DESIGN APPROVALS, DESIGN REVIEWS, UH, PERMIT ISSUANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND, UM, AND THAT IS, BY THE WAY, UH, THAT APPLIES TO, UM, APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, SUBMITTED EVEN PRIOR TO THE I L A BEING SIGNED.
AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS, UM, THE CITY SHALL HAVE ALSO PAID OR FORFEITED FROM THE CITY'S FUNDS, ALL COSTS AND EXPENSES RESULTING FROM ANY DELAYS TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF DART'S PLAN CAPITAL PROJECTS, WHICH ARE CAUSED OR ATTRIBUTABLE TO THE CITY.
AND SO THAT SPEAKS TO THE BETTERMENT'S PIECE.
UM, AND THOSE ARE THE THREE PROVISIONS TO REMAIN IN GOOD STANDING.
SO I THINK THAT THAT ACTUALLY SPEAKS TO, UM, CHAIR WILLIS'S POINT ABOUT NEEDING FACILITATION BECAUSE THERE'S AMBIGUOUS LANGUAGE THERE, AND THERE'S, AND THAT'S WHERE THESE PROBLEMS ARE FALLING IN.
SO I WOULD ALSO WEIGH IN ON THAT IMPORTANT TO LIKE, DIG IN ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE AND SAY, OKAY, WHOSE DELAY IS THIS? YOU KNOW, WHICH SOMEONE'S GONNA HAVE TO GET IN THE MUD, AND I THINK DOING IT IN THIS FORM IS NOT THE RIGHT
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LOCATION.THAT SAID MY QUESTION, UM, FOR THE FUTURE, FOR THE, UH, POTENTIAL I L A REGARDING THE SALES TAX FUNDS, UM, IF I, IN YOUR OPINION, IF THERE ARE ISSUES OVER TIME THAT TAKE US IN AND OUT OF GOOD STANDING, WHAT WILL BE THE PROCESS FOR WITHIN THAT I L A PROCESS? I THINK WE NEED TO IRON THAT OUT IN ADVANCE SO THAT WE CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CLAW BACK MONEY BECAUSE THERE WAS A PERMITTING DELAY OR WHATEVER.
I, YEAH, AND YOU CAN ANSWER IT.
OR IF YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER FOR IF THAT'S BUILT IN TO WHAT OUR AGREEMENT WILL BE.
IF NOT, I WANNA ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT.
UM, BEING IN GOOD STANDING IS, YOU KNOW, DART IS NOT ASKING THE CITY TO DO ANYTHING ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE CITY ALREADY AGREED.
BUT IF, UM, SO STAYING IN GOOD STANDING IS ACTUALLY NOT DIFFICULT.
UM, IT IS A MATTER OF WORKING WITH US TO REVIEW THESE PERMITS AND OR TO ISSUE THESE PERMITS AND REVIEW ALL THE, WELL, I THINK IT'S EASY FOR YOU TO SAY THAT, BUT LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW, RIGHT? IT'S NOT EASY.
IT'S NOT EASY BECAUSE GOOD STANDING THEN BECAUSE IT'S GOT AMBIGUITY BUILT INTO IT, UM, OR THE POTENTIAL OF BOUNDARIES BEING EXPANDED, RIGHT? THEN I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY BE SUPER CLEAR ABOUT THAT, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COM IN THE REGION WHO WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH FOR THIS NOT TO SUCCEED.
AND SO WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA WORK THIS THROUGH, AND POTENTIALLY FOR YOU, SINCE YOU'RE THE NEXUS FOR EVERYTHING, FOR EVERYBODY, SO THAT THERE'S OBJECTIVE MEASURES THAT NOBODY COULD SAY, WELL, WHAT'S A DELAY? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? RIGHT? THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, YEAH, AND I WOULD JUST SAY IT TOO THAT, I MEAN, THERE'S A PROVISION FOR ESCALATION IF THERE'S A DISAGREEMENT ABOUT GOOD STANDING THAT IT ESCALATES TO ME AND YOUR CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? OR ANY CITY MANAGER, ANY CITY.
BUT, UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN WORK THOSE THINGS OUT.
TC HAS BEEN A REALLY HELPFUL, UH, PERSON TO WORK WITH HERE AT THE CITY.
AND, AND, AND THE, I THINK THE OTHER PIECE SPEAKS TO THE COMMUNICATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THESE, YOU KNOW, AND I REMEMBER BEING IN THE ROOM WHEN LEE KLIMAN AND SANDY GRAYSON WERE NEGOTIATING A LOT OF THIS LONG BEFORE ALL OF US, AND I WAS THERE WITH THEM, AND SO THEY WERE NEGOTIATING THEN NEGOTIATING WITH YOU.
A LOT OF THESE THINGS PROCEEDED MOST OF US HERE AT THE TABLE, THE HORSESHOE.
AND I THINK THAT WHAT WAS NEVER PUT IN PLACE THAT WE MUST, IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD SUCCESSFULLY, IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE COMMUNICATION, UM, FOR THIS.
SO IF YOU'RE HAVING A DELAY, IS THE PROTOCOL.
THE PROTOCOL NEEDS TO BE PUBLIC AND WELL ESTABLISHED.
SO IF YOU'RE HAVING A DELAY, YOU CALL TC AND THEN HE WORKS IT OUT.
WHAT HAPPENS SO THAT WE, I I SHOULD SAY, AM COMPLETELY BLINDSIDED BY THIS, COMPLETELY BLINDSIDED BY THIS.
AND SO THAT SPEAKS TO POOR COMMUNICATION THAT WE HAVE TO WORK OUT.
AND IF THERE'S PROBLEMS AT AN INTERSECTION, IF THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH SOMETHING, THEN I DON'T THINK THAT NEGOTIATING WITH ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, REGARDLESS OF WHOSE DISTRICT IT IS, IS THE RIGHT APPROACH FOR DART EVER.
AND I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BETTER COMMUNICATION SYSTEM THAT WILL ENFORCE THE NEEDS OF ALL OF DALLAS.
THAT'S HOW WE SEE THAT THIS IS NOT A DISTRICT 12 ISSUE.
AND SO WE ALL HAVE TO STAND BEHIND IT AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD COMMUNICATION.
SO I'M GONNA ADD THAT TO THE LIST OF, OF PROTOCOLS AND DEFINITIONS THAT WE NEED.
UM, UH, IN THE SPIRIT OF TIME, I'M GONNA GO QUICK.
UH, I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS WITH, UM, WHAT YOU MENTIONED IN, UM, YOUR PRESENTATION AT THE BEGINNING.
UM, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR YOUR INITIATIVE WITH OUR UNSHELTERED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UM, EFFORTS TO HELP WITH THAT.
THAT IS DEFINITELY NOT JUST A CITY OF DALLAS, UM, EFFORT.
UM, I, I DO STILL WANT TO EMPHASIZE TO YOU AND TO THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, THE, UH, HOW, HOW IMPACTFUL IT COULD BE TO, UH, EXPAND WHAT WE HAVE AS RIGHT CARE, UH, WITH OUR D P D AND A PARTNERSHIP, UM, UH, FOR MORE OF A REGIONAL APPROACH TO, UH, RESPONSE TO MENTAL HEALTH, UM, THAT I, I BELIEVE COULD BE VERY IMPACTFUL AT OUR STATIONS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU MENTIONED, UM, SLEEPING IN YOUR ELEVATORS.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES THE ELEVATORS ALSO SMELL LIKE URINE.
UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, ESPECIALLY WITH EXCESS REVENUE, TO LOOK INTO SOME INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS OF RESTROOMS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ACT, WE'RE IMPLORING OUR, UH, CITY STAFF TO LOOK AT AS WELL.
UM, SAN ANTONIO HAS A REALLY GOOD MODEL.
THEY'VE HAD 'EM ON THEIR STREETS NOW FOR OVER FIVE YEARS.
THEY'RE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS EACH.
UM, THEY HAVE INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO SLEEP IN THERE, THAT DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE NEEDLES PULLED OUT IN THERE.
UM, IT'S REALLY, UH, COOL TECHNOLOGY.
SO I'D BE HAPPY TO SEND Y'ALL SOME, UH, INFORMATION ON THAT.
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THINK IT COULD BE IMPACTFUL IF WE HAD THOSE, UM, NEXT TO OUR STATIONS, NOT ONLY FOR OUR OWN SHELTER, BUT ALSO FOR, UM, THE RIDERS AS WELL.BUT GOING TO THIS LIST, UM, YOU KNOW, I I WILL JUST START WITH SAYING THAT OVERALL, THIS, THIS REALLY PUTS A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH, UM, AND IT PUTS A BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH BECAUSE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PARTNERS, AND THIS ISN'T THE WAY THAT I SEE PARTNERSHIPS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS LIST BROKEN DOWN AND ITEMIZED, YOU SEE 12.3 MILLION OF ITEMS LISTED OUT THAT ORIGINALLY WERE NOT COVERED IN THE F E I S.
WHY ON EARTH IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PENALIZE US FOR? SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING Y'ALL DIDN'T DO YOUR HOMEWORK FOR, AND IF YOU DIDN'T DO YOUR HOMEWORK FOR IT, WHY WAS THAT NOT DISCLOSED WHEN THE 110 MILLION WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT FORTH TO US? BECAUSE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE MORE THAN ANYTHING IS DANGLING CARROTS.
AND THAT TO ME, AGAIN, IS NOT THE WAY THAT A RELATIONSHIP SHOULD WORK.
SO I DO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, UM, UH, JUST THIS ULTIMATUM TYPE OF APPROACH, UM, BECAUSE OF COURSE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THIS EXCESS REVENUE.
WE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, Y'ALL CAME TO US FOR IT.
BUT THEN YOU COME TO US WITH THESE STRINGENT, UH, STIPULATIONS THAT SEEM TO CONTINUE TO CHANGE, UM, THAT, UH, OF COURSE WE WANT TO GET THESE PROJECTS THAT WE GOT EXCITED ABOUT AND ALREADY HAVE ALLOCATED THE 110 MILLION.
WELL, NOW HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT 36 MILLION, UM, GOING DOWN.
AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THE COST IS, SOME OF THAT IS ON Y'ALL.
WHY, WHY IS THAT? INSTEAD OF SAYING AT THE VERY BEGINNING, HERE'S WHERE WE ARE, HERE'S WHAT WE DIDN'T COVER AT THE VERY BEGINNING WITH OUR F E I S, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE FROM THE EXCESS REVENUE THAT WOULD GO TO YOUR CITY.
UM, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE HEARING YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.
UM, WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT THIS LIST ACTUALLY IS BORN OUT OF EVERYTHING THAT WAS ACTUALLY NOT REQUIRED BY FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAWS.
UM, AND, AND DEACON, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE SAY IT WASN'T COVERED IN THE F A I S, IT WAS, IT WAS NOT A MITIGATION THAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE F E I S.
NOT THAT WE DIDN'T REVIEW IT OR WE DIDN'T CLEAR IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE MITIGATIONS THAT WE INCORPORATED INTO OUR DRAWINGS AND OUR PLANS, UM, WERE THINGS THAT WE COMMITTED TO DO AS PART OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY AND THAT WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO.
SO IF THESE WERE, IF THESE ARE ON HERE, IT'S BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED, UM, AS MITIGATIONS AS PART OF THE F E I S.
SO AGAIN, THIS LIST WAS, CAME OUT OF THINGS THAT WERE NOT REQUIRED BY FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAW, AND THAT IS WHY THEY'RE REFERRED TO AS BETTERMENTS.
AND SO WITH THOSE BETTERMENTS, YOU GAVE US ONE OVERALL DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEN YOU LOOK AT THE BETTERMENTS AS YOU HAVE LABELED THEM, AND AS AN ENTITY DECIDED THAT YOUR FUNDING SOURCE TO GET THOSE BETTERMENTS, UH, WITHOUT COMING TO YOUR PARTNER, UM, WOULD BE THE MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD US YOU WERE GONNA GIVE US.
THAT'S THE APPROACH THAT YOU BELIEVE IS THE MOST CONGENIAL.
SO I, UM, WE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF THAT THESE ITEMS WERE NOT REQUIRED.
AND OFTENTIMES WE WERE TOLD THAT IF WE WANTED OUR PERMIT, WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO THEM.
WE HAD TO MOVE OUR PROJECT FORWARD AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
OUR UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT ACCEPTING SOME OF THESE THINGS WOULD HELP US MOVE OUR PROJECT FORWARD, WHICH IT DID NOT DO.
UM, SHAME ON US FOR THINKING THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, THIS MONEY IS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE PROJECT.
SO REALLY THE QUESTION THAT I REALLY WANNA ASK IS, WHERE DO WE WANT THIS MONEY TO COME FROM? AND DIRECTOR SCHLOSSER ACTUALLY MENTIONED TRADE-OFFS.
I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE I KNOW OUR CITY MANAGERS HERE, CI, CITY MANAGER, UM, TC BROADNAX, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU CHIME IN AND, AND, UH, PLEASE ANSWER.
I I'D LIKE TO KNOW, DID YOU HAVE A DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH ADMINISTRATION IN DART AND MAKE, UH, THE CLAIM THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ISSUING PERMITS WITH THE SAME ULTIMATUM APPROACH THAT DART'S TAKING NOW? UM, UNLESS THEY DID CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL F E I S.
THANK YOU COUNCILMAN, UH, FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND SO ONE, I WILL DEFER TO ROBERT AND OR GUS OR MAG, UH, BUT AT NO TIME DO I RECALL AND OR DO I UNDERSTAND US TO HAVE SAID CERTAIN THINGS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED.
UH, A PERMIT WOULD NOT BE ISSUED, BUT NOT FOR ITEMS THAT WERE NOT MANDATORY AND OR WE BELIEVE DEEMED NECESSARY.
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THE TYPES OF STATEMENTS AND OR THE APPROACH THAT I'VE EVER TAKEN, NOR I BELIEVE MY STAFF WOULD TAKE WITH A PARTNER, UH, TO IN ESSENCE, UH, THREATENED THEM WITH THE, UH, NOT ISSUANCE OF PERMITS, UH, FOR PARTICULAR ITEMS, PARTICULARLY AT THE LEVEL OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS.THAT, THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE APPROACH WE'VE TAKEN.
IN FACT, I, I I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE ARE THE LARGEST CITY IN THIS REGIONAL ENTITY, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE OWE YOU ANYTHING.
UH, WE HAVE THE MOST MEMBERS ON YOUR BOARD.
WE, UH, GIVE YOU THE MOST REVENUE, UM, FOR YOUR OPERATING BUDGET EVERY YEAR.
AND I CONSIDER US TO BE THE BIGGEST PARTNER.
UM, AND FOR THIS TO BE, UM, THE ULTIMATUM AND THE, THE PREDICAMENT THAT WE ARE PUT IN, UM, JUST TO ESSENTIALLY GET WHAT WAS OFFERED TO US IN THE FIRST PLACE, TO ME IS NOT ONLY DISINGENUOUS, IT IS A REALLY P**S POOR WAY TO CONTINUE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, UM, LOCKSTEP AS A PARTNER FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE REGION OF DFW.
AND, UM, WHEN WE LOOK AT IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU ALL CHOSE TO INCLUDE THROUGH THIS PROJECT, IF IT WAS GOING TO HAVE A FINANCIAL IMPACT SPECIFICALLY TO EXTRA REVENUE THAT YOU WERE OFFERING US, IT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, WHERE YOU COME TO THIS BODY, TO THE POLICY MAKERS WHO APPROVE ANY OF THOSE EXPENDITURES OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS INSTEAD OF TAKING IT UPON YOURSELF FROM A FEW BACK CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF AND THEN GOING IN THIS DIRECTION.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS A REALLY BAD TASTE IN MY MOUTH, AND THIS IS NOT THE WAY THAT I HOPE WE GO FORWARD AS A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND DART.
NEXT WE HAVE MR. MORENO, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
UH, THANK YOU'ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.
UM, I AM ALSO A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTED IN THE CHANGES THAT ARE, ARE BEFORE US.
THE ORIGINAL LIST THAT, UH, WE ALL SAW WOULD'VE BENEFITED EACH AND EVERY ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS, UM, EQUALLY, AND THAT WOULD'VE, UH, PUT THE CITY OF DALLAS IN A BETTER POSITION.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, ON THE LIST BEFORE US? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT SOLELY WAS, UH, PRESENTED BY DART OR WAS THERE AGREEMENT FROM THE CITY ON WHAT THIS LIST WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHO, WHO CHOSE TO HAVE THESE ITEMS PLACED ON THE, ON, ON THIS LIST BEFORE US? OUR STAFF COMPILED THIS LIST BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE TO US, INCLUDING SOME EXPERIENCES THAT WE HAVE HAD, UM, WORKING WITH, UM, THE VARIOUS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS, UM, AND, AND WORKING WITH STAFF.
SO, UM, THESE, THESE LISTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE SHARED THIS LIST WITH, UH, ROBERT ALS.
YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY HE SHARED IT WITH YOU TODAY.
UM, THIS IS THE LIST AS WE UNDERSTAND IT AS THE THINGS THAT DID NOT COMPLY WITH FEDERAL, STATE, OR LOCAL LAWS.
UM, SO THIS IS THE LIST THAT IS CURRENTLY, UM, CURRENTLY, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR WORK, IN OUR, IN OUR SCOPE FOR THE SILVER LINE.
AND, AND JUST THINK YOU JUST SAID IT, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED, THEY GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE DART AND CITY STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN EARLIER WE MENTIONED, UH, A LIST OF THE, UH, DELAYS.
CAN WE GET AN ITEMIZED LIST OF THOSE DELAYS? UM, WE WILL HAVE TO PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR YOU.
UM, FIRST I'M JUST GONNA START OFF WITH THE RETURN OF OUR SALES TAX SHOULD BE COMPLETELY SEGREGATED, SEPARATED FROM ANY PROJECTS.
THIS IS A CONCEPT OF RETURNING EXCESS SALES TAX TO ALL THE CITIES AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY PROJECT THAT'S GOING FORWARD.
SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT'S MY FIRST STANCE.
THE SECOND STANCE IS IT'S OUTRAGEOUS TO THINK THAT DART WOULD BE THE JUDGE AND JURY OF IF WE'VE HAD A DELAY OR IF SOMETHING'S APPROPRIATE.
AND SO TO MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE SUGGESTED THAT WE NEED ARBITRATION OR MARRIAGE COUNSELING, UM, THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO FREQUENTLY CALLS HIMSELF THE MARRIAGE COUNSELOR WITH THE CITY AND DART, AND THAT'S MICHAEL MORRIS.
AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT PERHAPS WE ASK HIM AS AN ENGINEER, AS AN OVERARCHING REGIONAL FOCUSED PERSON TO ACTUALLY BE THAT ARBITER.
UM, THIRD, IF WE'RE GONNA TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT CONNECTING HIM OR ITEMS WITH THE SILVER LINE, CLEARLY I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
I THINK CHAIRMAN ATKINS IS THE ONLY OTHER PERSON WHO WAS HERE WHEN MANY OF THESE THINGS WERE PASSED.
SO FOR THE BETTERMENTS, I'M JUST ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED THAT YOU WOULD THEN TRY TO TAKE BACK SALES TAX MONEY FOR THINGS THAT WERE ACTUALLY
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NECESSARY FOR THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME TO EVEN APPROVE THIS PROJECT.SO THE 15 FOOT CONTINUOUS WALLS AND THE WALLS ARE THE EASIEST TO UNDERSTAND.
WE'RE THE ONLY PART OF THE SILVER LINE THAT HAS THE TRAIN GOING THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO WHAT HAPPENED IS THE COUNCIL SAID YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT UP 15 FOOT CONTINUOUS WALLS ONLY THAT BACK THE RESIDENTIAL PARTS, RIGHT, TO PROTECT THOSE HOMEOWNERS.
AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PASSAGE OF THE APPROVAL FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
YOU HAD THAT AS PART OF YOUR PROJECT DESIGN INCLUDED IN YOUR PROJECT COSTS.
WHY WOULD YOU THEN SHIFT THAT BACK TO US? THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
THERE'S OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE LIKE THAT, THAT ARE INCLUDED AS BETTERMENTS THAT YOU AGREED TO YOUR DART BOARD AT THE TIME.
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN YOU SPECIFICALLY, YOU AGREED TO THOSE PROVISIONS AS DID THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CLOSURE OF HILLCREST, YOU MAY NOT EVEN KNOW WHERE THIS IS.
IT SAYS SO CLEARLY UNAMBIGUOUS IN THE ANOTHER I L A THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE DART BOARD UNANIMOUSLY AGREED TO.
IT SAYS IT CAN ONLY BE CLOSED FOR 25 WEEKS.
WE'RE NOW GETTING 20 MILLION HIT IF THEY CLOSE IT.
IF WE DON'T AGREE FOR A YEAR, WHY WOULD WE BE PENALIZED FOR SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY CONTRACTUALLY AGREED TO? IT'S OUTRAGEOUS.
THE, UM, DELAYS, I QUESTION IF THAT'S TRUE.
I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN SO EASY FOR DART TO SAY THAT I, WHO HAS NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER ON ANY PERMIT AND NEVER HAVE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN PERMITS ARE PUT IN OR ACCEPTED UNTIL I GET AN EMAIL NOTIFICATION THAT I WOULD SOMEHOW HAVE BEEN INVOLVED UNTRUE, PROVE IT.
AND I WOULD QUESTION IF OUR CITY STAFF HAS DONE THAT.
CUZ I'VE NEVER ONCE HEARD ANYTHING OTHER THAN WE WANT TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DART.
AND CLEARLY THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING.
AND IT IS JUST SHOCKING TO ME.
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST HIGHLIGHTED A NUMBER OF THE PROBLEMS OF THE, UM, THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE RELATIONSHIP.
WE AS A MEMBER WANT A RETURN OF OUR SALES TAX AND WE WANT THE PARTNERSHIP TO GET THE SERVICE THAT WE DESERVE AS A MEMBER FOR THE TRANSIT FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
AND INSTEAD YOU'RE DICTATING TERMS TO US.
DARTBOARDS, YOU'RE A MAJORITY ON THIS BOARD.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE OFFERING US HALF OF THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE PUT IN COMPARED TO OUR SISTER CITIES.
WITH THAT, I WILL SAY THAT IT WAS A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION IN PLANO LAST NIGHT, AND THEY DID NOT ACCEPT THE TERMS TO HAVE THEIR CITY MANAGER CONTINUE NEGOTIATING.
THEY MOVE TO TABLE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE VERY REAL CONCERNS.
NOT A SINGLE PERSON SPOKE IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING AND AGAIN, HAD STRONG WORDS.
SO WITH THAT, UM, I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I'VE ALREADY SAID A LOT ON THIS TOPIC.
HAPPY TO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE ABOUT IT.
I'M GONNA SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT ADA COMPLIANCE.
GUS AND CARLEY, MAY I ASK YOU, DID DART ASK TO BE GRANDFATHERED ON QUA ROAD FOR ADA COMPLIANCE? UM, THEY HAVE AND WE SAID NO, WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH FULL ADA AT ALL FOUR CORNERS, ESPECIALLY AT SUGAR CANE BECAUSE THIS IS A BRAND NEW FACILITY.
UM, OR YOU WANT TO CALL IT RECONSTRUCTED FACILITY.
BUT THIS IS AGAIN IN LINE WITH, UH, AGAIN, THE GENERAL APPROACH WITHIN THE CITY OF EQUITY.
AND, UH, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT IN PLACE, HOW MANY CARS PER DAY GO ON QUITE ROAD? UH, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S ABOUT 55,000 VEHICLES A DAY.
AND RIGHT AT MACCALLUM, WHICH IS WHERE ONE OF THESE CROSSINGS IS, IT'S A FEDERALLY QUALIFIED CENSUS TRACT.
IT IS ACTUALLY THE MOST DENSE PART OF MY DISTRICT.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 5,000 UNITS.
IT'S FAIRLY QUALIFIED FOR LOW INCOME AND SINGLE MOTHERS.
LOTS OF THE PEOPLE IN THE RAPID REHOUSING PROGRAM ARE PUT THERE.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE UNITS IS AN AFFORDABLE LOW INCOME APARTMENT.
IT'S MOSTLY THAT AND SOME STUDENTS WHO ARE U T D, BUT ACTUALLY THE U T D KIDS HAVE LEFT.
WHY? CAUSE IT'S ALSO A CRIME GRID.
THE MOST MURDERS IN MY DISTRICT HAPPEN RIGHT THERE.
PEOPLE IN MOTORIZED WHEELCHAIRS GO ALONG KUWAIT TO GO TO THE WALMART TO GO TO THE SUPER TARGET.
THIS IS THEIR ACCESS, THIS IS THEIR LIFELINE.
SO I JUST AM SHOCKED THAT A PUBLIC AGENCY THAT IS REQUIRED TO FOLLOW A 32 YEAR OLD LAW WOULD EVEN ASK TO BE GRANDFATHERED TO NOT PROVIDE ADA COMPLIANCE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S UNEXPLAINABLE.
BUT THEN TO CONTINUE TO NOT OFFER A FOUR-WAY INTERSECTION TO COMPLY WITH THAT LAW, IT'S, IT'S BEYOND MIND BOGGLING.
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THE 407 MILLION WE SPEND ANNUALLY IN OUR SALES TAX, OUR PENNY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PAYING A MILLION FOR THE STREETCAR, WE'RE STILL DOING A SENIOR RIDES PROGRAM AND WE HAVE TO PAY DART WHEN WE HAVE INCLEMENT WEATHER TO GET THEIR BUSES TO PROVIDE TRANSIT.I'M NOT SEEING THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE SHOULD.
AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, I'M A BELIEVER IN TRANSIT.
I'M A BELIEVER IN, IN HAVING QUALITY TRANSIT AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GETTING THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU DONE? THANK YOU, CHAIR.
MAY I MAKE A CLARIFICATION? OH, YES, PLEASE, PLEASE.
UM, SO THE ITEMS ON THIS LIST ACTUALLY DO NOT INCLUDE THE BETTERMENT WALLS OR THE BOARD APPROVED, UM, BETTERMENTS THAT THE, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER REFERENCED.
THESE ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND THOSE THINGS CUZ THE BOARD DID ACCEPT A NUMBER OF BETTERMENTS, SO I WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.
UM, IN ADDITION, WE ARE PROVIDING ADA ACCESS AT THAT LOCATION ON COURT ROAD.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA JUMP IN WITH A QUICK QUESTION, MR. WEST REALLY QUICK.
IS YOU, YOU SAID THAT THIS LIST DOESN'T INCLUDE THOSE, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH IT CAUSE WE LITERALLY JUST GOT THIS AS WE WERE STARTING, UM, ON THIS LIST.
UM, YOU SAY THEY'RE BETTERMENTS WHO REQUESTED ALL OF THESE BETTERMENTS? THESE BETTERMENTS WERE, UH, A COMBINATION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD SEE THAT A LOT OF THEM ARE REQUESTS FROM, YOU KNOW, COIT ROAD, HILLCREST.
UM, THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE QUIET ZONES.
WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN, ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT 12 ON THE QUIET ZONES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE WORKING WITH STAFF TO DO THAT.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN DISTRICT 12 TO BE HONEST.
UH, MR. WEST, DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? THANK YOU CHAIR.
I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING ME PARTICIPATING AND I'M NOT ON THE COMMITTEE.
UM, SO I WANNA START OFF BY FIRST OF ALL, THANKING MS. LEE FOR HANDLING THESE, THIS, THESE TOUGH QUESTIONS.
I KNOW YOU INHERITED THIS WHEN YOU CAME HERE.
THIS PROJECT'S WAS EXISTING LONG BEFORE YOUR TIME AND, UM, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED PROJECT.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. SCHLOSSER FOR HAVING THE COURAGE TO SPEAK UP, UM, ON THE ISSUES YOU RAISED.
SO I'LL FOCUS MY COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS ON THE PAST AND THEN ON THE FUTURE.
UM, SO COUPLE THINGS, AND I DON'T WANNA GO INTO IT NOW.
WE'RE HEARING DIFFERENCES FROM, UH, CITY STAFF, DR.
PEREZ AND MS. LEE, BASED ON THIS IS EITHER 80, 90% ADA REQUIREMENTS BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, OR IT'S NOT.
AND THE WAY I READ IT IN LINE ITEM, AS I LOOK THROUGH THIS, IT'S A LOT OF GOOD STUFF THAT I LOVE BEING A WALKABILITY GUY, BUT I DON'T SEE IT.
I SEE, THINK IT LEANS MORE TOWARDS THAT THAN ADA.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR AFTER TODAY A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT IS REALLY FEDERALLY REQUIRED AND WHAT'S NOT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IN WRITING.
UM, SECONDLY, UM, THAT WAS MY, THAT WAS THAT COMMENT.
AND THEN, UM, THE, THE, THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD ABOUT STAFF HOLDING UP PERMITS, UM, BASED ON GETTING THESE BETTERMENTS IN HERE.
UM, I MEAN, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME UP HERE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, BUT ON ZONING MATTERS ON, UH, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PACKAGES, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR CITY STAFF WANT THINGS TO BE IN THEIR PROJECT.
IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME IF IT HAPPENED HERE.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE MAYBE THROUGH INVESTIGATING EVERYTHING THAT'S COME FROM THIS.
BUT, UM, I, I DON'T BUY IT THAT THIS PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN HELD UP AND THE PERMITS HAVE NOT BEEN HELD UP BECAUSE THERE HAVE, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS MADE REQUESTS.
IT JUST, IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME UP HERE.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO, TO DO WHAT MR. ATKINS HAS SAID.
SIT DOWN IN A ROOM, FIGURE IT OUT, UM, GET THIS DONE CUZ IT'S COSTING EVERYBODY MONEY.
IT'S, IT'S HOLDING UP THIS PROJECT.
UM, ARE WE AT A POINT NOW WHERE THE GOALPOST HAS STOPPED MOVING? WE KNOW WHAT THE WORLD OF THE REQUESTS ARE FROM THE CITY, UM, WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE, WE CAN, WE CAN BE DONE WITH ALL THIS NO MORE BETTERMENTS AND WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD.
AND THIS IS JUST A QUESTION TO ANYBODY.
I CANNOT SAY THAT I'M CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
WHY? BECAUSE THROUGH OUR DESIGN REVIEWS, THERE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP THAT, UM, THAT WE ARE BEING SURPRISED BY.
UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE BEING REVISITED AND, YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCE AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PROJECT HAVE TO REVISIT SO MANY ISSUES IN THIS STAGE OF DESIGN.
WHEN WE HAVE PROVIDED THE ISSUED FOR CONSTRUCTION PLAN SET, WE HAVE HAD OVER THE SHOULDER REVIEWS AT THE 30, 60 AND 90% LEVELS.
AND TO HAVE THIS LEVEL OF COMMENTS STILL COMING BACK TO US, I, I UNDERSTAND IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE DISAGREEING ABOUT SOMETHING, BUT THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT DISAGREEING WITH THINGS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, I WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AS
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WELL AS MY BOARD.WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE OF US NOT WANTING TO WORK WITH STAFF.
WE ARE JUST HAVING TROUBLE GETTING RESOLUTION ON THINGS.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
PLEASE HELP US GET TO RESOLUTION SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS PROJECT DONE.
BECAUSE FRANKLY, I'M PRETTY SURE NO, NONE OF YOU WANNA KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE SILVER LINE.
UM, SO I GUESS THIS IS FOR EITHER DR.
PEREZ OR, OR FOR, UH, THE CITY MANAGER.
UM, ARE WE, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE GOALPOST MOVING QUESTION? ARE, ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE, WE SEE THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL HERE? UH, IF YOU DON'T MIND, CECE, UM, I'LL TAKE A SHOT FIRST.
SO, UH, ONE THING I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IS, WHILE THERE ARE, UM, SOME ITEMS THAT ARE STILL ANCHORING SOME QUESTIONS ON HILLCREST AND COIT, I WILL POINT OUT THAT SEVERAL PERMITS HAVE BEEN RELEASED.
THERE'S CONSTRUCTION ON SEVERAL OF THE CROSSINGS, EVEN ON HILLCREST, WHICH WE STILL HAVE SOME LINGERING QUESTIONS ON.
THERE'S UTILITY WORK GOING ON.
SO THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CROSSINGS THAT, UH, ARE ALSO UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR I THINK THERE'S EVEN A COUPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO IT, IT, YES, UH, ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS, KU HILL CCR OR QUOIN HILLCREST, UM, THERE ARE STILL SOME LINGERING QUESTIONS, BUT I DO NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CROSSINGS THAT HAVE EITHER BEEN CONSTRUCTED OR ARE CURRENTLY UNDER UTILITY CONSTRUCTION.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE TO, UH, TO STOP THE GOAL POSTS FROM MOVING, UM, YESTERDAY, UH, IN DISCUSSIONS, UH, WITH CITY STAFF AS WELL AS WITH, UM, MS. LEE AND MS. LEGGETT, UM, WE HAVE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT JUST GETTING IN A ROOM AND FOR A WEEK WITH THE DESIGNERS, OUR, OUR TEAM, AND THEN JUST WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES.
UM, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A TIMELINE AS TO WHEN THAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS LITERALLY, THIS DISCUSSION JUST HAPPENED YESTERDAY.
UM, BUT THAT IS THE PLAN TO, TO MOVE THESE ITEMS FORWARD, UM, TO, TO STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU, I I WOULD LIKE TO PUT DAYLIGHT ON ONE OF THE ITEMS ON COIT.
UM, AND, AND WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH THE DART TEAM.
UM, THERE IS, UM, THERE, THERE ARE JUST SOME ITEMS THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO NAIL DOWN BEFORE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, AND, AND SO, BUT WE DO HAVE AN IMMEDIATE PLAN TO, TO, YOU KNOW, GET THIS OUT.
UM, WITH BOTH OF OUR TEAMS WORKING TOGETHER.
UM, WE HAD AT ONE POINT TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS, UM, UM, TOWARDS THE END OF LAST YEAR.
UM, BUT WE STARTED MOVING THINGS FORWARD.
BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S AT THIS POINT, UM, IT, IT'S CRITICAL FOR US TO DO THAT, GET IN A ROOM AND JUST KNOCK OUT THESE ITEMS BETWEEN DESIGN THE, THE TWO DIFFERENT DESIGN TEAMS AND REVIEW TEAMS. UM, BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS WE WILL, UH, THERE WILL BE, UM, COMMENTS PROVIDED TO DART A WEEK GOES BY WHILE THEY WORK ON IT.
WE GET BACK TOGETHER, UH, WE GET A STATUS, UM, OR WE GET THOSE COMMENTS BACK.
AND THEN, UH, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH THAT I THINK IF WE'RE IN THE SAME ROOM, WE CAN JUST REALLY ADDRESS, UH, AND BE DONE WITH IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE ANSWER.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT CALL ON THAT.
AND, UM, I, I THINK I, I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
WE DON'T WANT TO COME BACK IN THREE, FOUR MONTHS AND HAVE TO HAVE THIS BRIEFING AGAIN AND HEAR, HEAR THE SAME THING.
SO A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
AND THEN TO, UM, THE PERMITTING OFFICE, ONCE YOU GUYS HAVE WORKED SOMETHING OUT, DART SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GO DOWN THERE 4, 5, 6 DAYS STAND IN LINE TO GET A PERMIT THAT THAT SHOULD BE EXPEDITED.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT'S TAXPAYER MONEY, YOU KNOW, ON A TAXPAYER PROJECT.
AND I'LL JUST END ON THIS, UM, SINCE NO ONE ELSE HAS MENTIONED IT, THE, THE T O D STUFF THAT YOU'RE DOING IS GREAT.
I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THAT STARTED WITH A THOUSAND UNIT HOUSING CHALLENGE AND, UM, I REALLY THINK WE COULD SEE OUR RIDERSHIP INCREASE.
UM, WE DO MORE OF THESE, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, HEAL THIS RELATIONSHIP AND CONTINUE SEEING OUR TDS POP UP.
UM, I'M GOING TO DO MINE REALLY QUICKLY, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE MR. ATKINS 30 SECONDS OF MY TIME, UM, SO HE CAN ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION.
WAS THIS A DESIGN BUILT? IF IT WAS, WHO DESIGNED IT? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T GET QUESTION.
WAS IT A DESIGN BUILT PROJECT? THIS IS A DESIGN BUILD PROJECT.
WHO, WHO DESIGNED IT? UH, I BELIEVE IT'S JACOBS ON OUR, ON THE, UM, ARCHER WESTERN HERZOG TEAM.
AND WHEN YOU DO A DESIGN BUILT, YOU GIVE WHAT, 20% OF THE PROJECT YOU, IT GONNA CHANGE COMPLETELY.
SO USUALLY YOU START CONSTRUCTION AFTER YOU'VE DONE ABOUT 30% OF THE DESIGN.
UM, AND WHEN I SAY 30%, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING OUT WITH 30% DESIGN PLANS.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE DOING LIKE THE DESIGN PLANS FOR YOUR EARTH WORK FIRST, AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA DO YOUR DESIGN PLANS FOR ALL YOUR UTILITY RELOCATIONS.
I'M NOT GIVING YOU THE RIGHT ORDER, BUT, BUT
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BASICALLY YOU GET PACKAGES OF DESIGNS ONE AT A TIME.I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT.
GUS, WHEN YOU GOT A DESIGN BUILT PROJECT COMING TO CITY OF DALLAS, IT CAUSED A WHOLE LOT OF ISSUES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY.
I JUST WANNA PUT ON THE RECORD THIS WAY, THE DESIGN BUILT BY DART, WHEN YOU GET 20% OF THE PLAN OR 30% OF THE PLAN ISLAND DID DEVELOPMENT, YOU HAVE THIS.
SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE GUS GET YOUR LAST WORD IN.
AND WE, AGAIN, WE HAVE GREAT EXPERIENCE IN, UM, IN DESIGN BUILD, UNLIKE WHAT, UH, SOME STATEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, UH, JUST ONE SMALL EXAMPLE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE TOOK THE POSITION THAT WE DID.
UM, SO THERE WAS A, UH, 60 INCH OR 66 INCH, UM, DRAINAGE LINE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LEFT IN PLACE.
AND WE SAID NO, WE NEEDED TO SEE THE FULL DESIGN ON THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, WELL, IT, IT'S GONNA, UH, HOLD UP TO THE EMBANKMENT.
AND THEY SAID, OKAY, FANTASTIC.
SHOW US THE DESIGN CALCULATIONS AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
SO THEY CAME BACK, HERE'S THE REPORT, AND THEY CAME BACK AND THEY SAID, OH, BY THE WAY, UH, THAT PIPE, IF WE LEFT IT IN PLACE, IT'S GONNA CRUSH.
WHICH MEANS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH, AT THE VERY LEAST, UH, COMPLETE REMOVAL OF ALL THE RETAINING WALLS IN THAT AREA TO GO BACK, REMOVE THE RETAINING WALLS, REMOVE THE PIPE, PUT IT BACK, AND RECONSTRUCT THE WHOLE THING.
AND THEN THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD'VE HAD TO FORK UP THE, UH, THE COST.
SO THE APPROACH THAT WE HAVE TAKEN IS NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT DESIGN BUILD LOOKS LIKE.
MATTER OF FACT, WHEN I WAS IN THE BOND OFFICE, WE DID THE, UH, UH, FIRE STATIONS AS DESIGN BUILD.
AND THEN WE'VE SEEN ALSO, UH, OTHER PROJECTS ON, UM, UM, ON HOW TO HANDLE THEM.
THE FUNDAMENTALS OF A DESIGN BUILD PROJECT IS MITIGATE RISKS, AND IN THIS CASE, THE RISKS WERE NOT MITIGATED.
MY REAL QUICK QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA BE VERY BRIEF.
UM, FIRST IS, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU HEARD THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THAT WE CAN GET THOSE ANSWERS.
SOME OF THEM ARE FROM CITY STAFF, SOME OF THEM MIGHT BE FROM DART, AND WE CAN GET THOSE TO US AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, THAT THE RESPONSE THAT WE'RE NOT SURE WHEN WE CAN GET INTO A ROOM FOR A WEEK, UM, AT THIS POINT I'M LIKE, I DON'T CARE WHEN YOU DO IT.
IT SHOULD, Y'ALL SHOULD BE STARTING MONDAY, AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO WORK THE WEEKEND AND WORK THE WEEKEND, WHATEVER HAS TO BE DONE.
THIS IS, UH, AT $150,000 A DAY.
UM, YOU'VE HEARD IT MORE THAN ONCE.
IT'S, I, I, I CAN'T EVEN COMPREHEND IT AT THIS POINT.
UM, I, I DO WANT TO KNOW WHY THESE DELAYS ARE BEING CAUSED.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, I, WE HAVE AN INSPECTOR GENERAL NOW, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO GET THE ANSWERS, UM, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BE TALKING TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND ASKING, YOU KNOW, TO INVESTIGATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, WHETHER IT'S, ESPECIALLY ON OUR END, IF WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING, OR EMAILING OR DOING ANYTHING THAT'S CAUSING ANY TYPE OF DURESS, THAT'S COMPLETELY UNETHICAL.
WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
UM, SO WE, I, I WILL BE ASKING THE QUESTIONS, UM, TO BRING THAT FORWARD.
UM, DART BOARD MEMBERS, THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH NOT JUST YOUR OWN CITY, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH, UM, THE OTHER PARTNER CITIES.
AND, UM, I'VE, I'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS FROM PARTNER CITIES THAT ARE NOT HAPPY WITH DALLAS AND THE WAY WE'RE DOING THINGS.
AND IT, IT'S HARD BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DART'S SAYING, I CAN ONLY ONLY HEAR WHAT I'M BEING TOLD.
AND I DON'T WANT TO BLAME ANYONE.
THIS IS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF, UH, BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS, PERIOD.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, WHETHER IT'S A CITY, IT'S, IT'S A SALES TAX, IT'S FEDERAL MONEY.
IT'S OUR, UM, TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE BEING WASTED AT $150,000 A DAY.
AND IF WE'RE PART OF THAT, THEN WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX THAT HERE IN DALLAS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THESE ISSUES GOING FORWARD.
UM, I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE RESOLUTION TEAM, WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, I'M SURE IF WE CALL MICHAEL MORRIS, THERE'S MANY OF US HERE THAT ARE ON THE N C T COG, UM, UM, BOARD.
UM, SO WE CAN GET THAT TO, TO HAPPEN AS WELL.
PEREZ, IF YOU DON'T MIND TRYING TO HELP COORDINATE THAT.
UM, AND ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT NADIAN? I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO JUST GO, THIS IS WHO YOU'RE GONNA USE, AND THEN YOU'RE LIKE, NO, I DON'T LIKE THAT PERSON.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
I DO WANNA POINT OUT THAT LAST MAY, WE HAD A SIMILAR WORKSHOP, UM, THAT WAS FACILITATED BY WALT HUMAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A COUPLE OF DAYS, UH, OUR TEAM WAS SEQUESTERED, UM, AND THEY DID COME TO SOME RESOLUTIONS, BUT THAT DID NOT STOP THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE HAVING.
SO WE WILL DEFINITELY PARTICIPATE IN EARNEST, UM, AND OUR EXPECTATION IS THAT WE WILL COME OUT OF IT WITH SOME REAL RESOLUTIONS.
AND, UM, AND I, I REMEMBER US HELPING COORDINATE THAT, SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING DONE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S TIME TO DO IT AGAIN.
UM, AND MY LAST THING THAT I WANT TO GO TO IS THE LIST OF THE 111 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS THAT WE HAD.
HOW IS THIS? THIS IS 36 MILLION.
I'VE BEEN TOLD IT COULD BE UPWARDS OF 56 MILLION THAT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO GO TOWARDS, UM, THE SILVER LINE.
AND SO WHAT, WHAT I LIKE TO KNOW IS WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO CUT? I'M REALLY ANXIOUS ABOUT THE K THROUGH 12, UM, PILOT PROGRAM.
I'M ANXIOUS ABOUT THE STREETCAR.
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ELSE CAN BE DEDUCTED, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST THAT WE HAVE TO CUT.IF, IF THIS IS WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, UM, $36 MILLION, WHAT, WHERE WOULD WE BE RECOMMENDING CUTS? SO ROBERT, BEFORE YOU RESPOND TO THAT, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.
AND SO I BEGAN, AND ROBERT CAN TALK ABOUT, I GUESS IF THAT NUMBER IS DIFFERENT, AND I'VE SHARED THIS WITH NADINE AND SHE'S PROBABLY HEARD THIS WORD A LOT OF TIMES, IS FIRST WE HAVE TO START WITH THE PREMISE OF THE FAIRNESS AND THE REALITY OF WHY, IN FACT, FOR A BETTERMENT, WHICH AGAIN, WE MAY DEEM THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE THINGS ON THAT LIST AS THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO AND ARE NOT BETTERMENTS.
THEY'RE JUST ACTUALLY A GOOD PROJECT AND A GOOD DESIGN THAT IS SAFE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO I WOULD CHALLENGE AND HAVE CHALLENGED SOME OF THESE ISSUES AS THEY'RE NOT BETTERMENTS.
SECONDLY, UH, THE WORD UNFAIR COMES TO MIND AS I'VE SAID TO NADINE AND HER TEAM, THAT WHENEVER THEY'VE ASKED AND OR REQUESTED OR STATED UPFRONT THAT IF YOU PLAN TO DO THIS OR YOU WANT THIS ADDED TO THE PROJECT THAT'S OVER AND ABOVE ANYTHING AND YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT, WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND WE'VE TYPICALLY DETERMINED AND WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD BRING TO THIS COUNCIL AND OR WE CAN FUND.
AND IN NO TIME HAS ANYONE EVER BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT ANYTHING THAT IS ON THIS LIST, THAT IT WAS THE CITY WOULD NEED TO PAY FOR IT OR IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
DART HAS MOVED FORWARD THROUGH WHETHER TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO MAKE PEACE AND ADVANCE THIS PROJECT AND APPROVE THESE ITEMS, WHETHER AT THE STAFF LEVEL OR THE BOARD LEVEL ACTUALLY FUNDED THEM AND BUILT THEM INTO THE PROJECT.
AND TO THEN NOW AS WE GET THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GET SALES TAX BACK LIKE EVERY OTHER CITY WHO'S CONTRIBUTED TO THEN SAY, OH, WELL NOW SINCE YOU'VE GOT THIS POT OF MONEY, I'M GOING TO EXACT 36 MILLION FROM YOU, UH, TO SATISFY OTHER ELEMENTS OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DELAYED IN COST UNRELATED TO THESE DOLLARS OR UNRELATED TO THESE BETTERMENTS.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT ONE IS A PARTNERSHIP MOVE THAT YOU SHOULD WANT TO DO.
AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO THIS COUNCIL.
AND I THINK A LITTLE DISTURBING IN SOMETHING THAT I WOULD NEVER DO AS A, A PERSON IN A PARTNERSHIP TO ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL THAT I WAS AGAIN, TRYING TO FACILITATE A PROJECT WITH.
SECONDLY, WHETHER THIS NUMBER GROWS THE 30 MILLION OR 50 MILLION, I BELIEVE ONE OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS COULD BE A ITEM THAT IS SOLELY AT MY DISCRETION WHEN IT COMES TO COST AND OR GRANTING THAT THEN SUBSEQUENTLY MIGHT BE ADDED ON TO THAT.
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S UNFAIR CUZ IT'S CLEARLY WRITTEN IN AN I L A THAT I HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT I GRANT EXTENSIONS AND OR OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY HELP THE PROJECT BE EXPEDITED.
SO AGAIN, I WOULD TAKE SOME UMBRIDGE TO THE FACT THAT, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE ADDED ON.
AND AGAIN, THE RETROACTIVITY OF ANYTHING, I WOULD JUST TELL YOU AS A CITY MANAGER, I'VE SAID IT TO AN ADEEN AND MY TEAM, I WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE AGREEING TO AN EXACTION FOR RETROACTIVITY FOR AN UNKNOWN UNANNOUNCED AND UNSHARED BURDEN THAT IF IN FACT IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION OR THIS COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, WE COULD HAVE MADE A DECISION AND NOT GONE DOWN THE PATH OF SCHEDULING AND LOOKING AT HOW WE WOULD SPEND $111 MILLION.
AND SO AGAIN, UH, THAT IS THE DISCONCERTING PART ABOUT THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION, THE TECHNICAL SIDE, GETTING IN A ROOM AND MAKING THOSE DECISIONS, THE BACK AND FORTH.
THAT'S WHAT ENGINEERS AND OTHER PEOPLE DO.
AND I WANT TO CLARIFY, COUNCIL MEMBER WEST THAT THIS ITEM IN THE PERMITS ARE ISSUED BY THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, NOT THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
AND SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE ONCE IN FACT, WE COME TO AGREEMENT ON THE RIGHT WAY AND OR THE NOT SO WRONG WAY TO DO SOMETHING.
AND WHAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE F A I S, THE FTA AND TEXTILE, PARTICULARLY AROUND OUR INTERSECTIONS.
AND AS GUS POINTED OUT, WE HAVE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR WHAT WE REQUIRE WHEN PEOPLE CROSS OUR RIGHT OF WAYS THAT COULD BE DIFFERENT FROM ANY OTHER CITY IN THIS COUNTY.
WHETHER IT'S WHAT WE DO WITH FIBER AND CONDUITS, HOW WE TREAT ADA, THE THINGS THAT WE REPLACE IN ANY DISTURBANCE OF ANY THINGS IN OUR INTERSECTIONS ARE DIFFERENT.
AND WE DO THOSE AND HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE FOR THOSE WHEN WE DO 'EM.
SO AGAIN, THE PREMISE, WE CAN GET THE TECHNICAL PIECES WORKED OUT, BUT THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF EXACTING 36 MILLION OR 50 MILLION, I WOULD SAY TO YOU, IT'S UNFAIR REGARDLESS OF US APPROVING THE PERMIT FOR WHICH WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THIS TRAIN GO THROUGH OUR CITY TO SIT HERE AND SAY TO ME AND US THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE $36 MILLION THAT WE NEVER TOLD YOU WE WERE GONNA TAKE JUST FOR YOU TO ACQUIESCE AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT GETTING MONEY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SENT TO US.
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I DO NOT AND WILL NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT IS INFLEXIBLE.THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
I UNDERSTAND PENALTIES, BUT THESE BETTERMENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PENALTIES.
AND THANK YOU MR. BROADNAX FOR THAT.
UM, AND, UM, SO WHAT I'M GONNA DO AT THIS POINT, I JUST MENTIONED TO TWO OF THEM, I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO MENTION TO THE THIRD ONE, BUT I WANTED TO CREATE JUST A WORKING GROUP TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THIS WITH YOU ALL, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME REPORTING AND THEN THEY CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMITTEE LATER ON, UH, FOR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO, UM, CHAIR SCHULTZ, CHAIR ATKINS HAVE ALREADY AGREED.
MR. WEST, I DIDN'T GET TO GET OVER TO YOU.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT I'D LIKE AN OUTSIDE COMMITTEE, UM, VOICE ON THIS JUST LITTLE WORKING GROUP.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON SO THAT Y'ALL CAN, UM, HELP MAKE SURE LIKE, ARE THESE BETTERMENTS, ARE THEY NOT? UM, LISTENING TO OUR CITY MANAGER AND WITH DART AND THEN MR. MORANO, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH BEING THE OTHER MEMBER FROM THE COMMITTEE, UM, I'D GREATLY APPRECIATE IT IF THAT, IF THAT'LL WORK.
UM, WITH THAT, UM, WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THIS PORTION OF A AND B, UM, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU WANT, CLOSE YOUR PORTION AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, BEFORE WE DO, I JUST WANNA, I JUST WANNA COMMENT, I THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL BECAUSE THERE ARE BIGGER ISSUES, PARTICULARLY REGARDING GOVERNANCE AND THIS OTHER, THAT WE DO PLAN TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE OF THESE WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE ITEMS THAT MANY OF US WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.
WE CAN DO THAT AT OUR NEXT, UM, DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT AT THE NEXT JOINT MEETING OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT DURING, UM, A COMMIT, JUST A REGULAR TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETING? DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDATION? WELL, I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM THE DART BOARD MEMBERS.
IF WE COULD HAVE A MEETING FOR US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO WE'LL DO THAT WITH THE NEXT GROUP.
UM, UM, AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT MORE SO WE CAN GET, GET THAT, UM, DISCUSSION GOING.
SINCE MOST OF THESE ISSUES ARE IN DISTRICT 12 AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FOR SO LONG, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST TO EITHER BE A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE ARE INVITED TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE THREE MEMBERS FROM THE COMMITTEE AND YOU WOULD CREATE A QUORUM OF THAT GROUP.
WELL THEN I'D LIKE YOU TO GROUP SUGGEST I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST REPLACING SOMEBODY.
THESE ISSUES ARE MOSTLY IN MY DISTRICT.
I DON'T THINK, THINK MOST OF THE PEOPLE YOU'VE JUST NOMINATED ACTUALLY KNOW THE AREA THE WAY I DO.
AND I'D LIKE TO BE PART OF THIS COMMITTEE.
I I APPRECIATE YOUR REQUEST AND UNFORTUNATELY I'VE MADE MY DECISION ON WHO I'D LIKE TO BE ON THE WORKING GROUP.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE, YOUR PORTION OF THE, UM, GROUP TODAY,
AND ON BEHALF OF THE DOP BI DART, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WE REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, THE LEADERSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE IN HELPING US TO MOVE FORWARD THIS VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT ALL OUR RESIDENTS.
AND WITH THAT, UM, IT IS 10 24 AND THE DART PORTION OF THIS, UH, COMMITTEE MEETING IS CLOSED.
UM, SO DART BOARD MEMBERS, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANNA STAY FOR THIS OTHER PART, IT'S A OPEN MEETING.
YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO STAY.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO, UM, YOU, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO LEAVE.
UM, WE ARE NOW MOVING ON TO OUR SECOND AGENDA ITEM, WHICH, UM, IF MEMBERS, IF YOU CAN STAY AN EXTRA 10 MINUTES, UH, MAYBE 15.
UM, WE DID GO A LITTLE BIT OVER ON THE FIRST ITEM.
SO ITEM C IS A 2024 BOND PROGRAM REVIEW OF TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR PROJECT SELECTION.
UM, JENNIFER, NICE WANDER, THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, DR.
CARLY, UM, THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION.
ALI EFFY, THE DIRECTOR OF DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS, MATTHEW PINK AND AMINA AMANI SEILA, UM, FROM DALLAS WATER UTILITY AND BUILDING SERVICES WILL BE HERE FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, SO IF Y'ALL WANT TO COME IN AND GRAB IT AND LET'S GET THE PRESENTATION UP AND GOING.
AND THEN WE WILL, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THIS PRESENTATION.
Y'ALL ARE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR WHO I'M NOT SURE WHO'S PRESENT DOING THE PRESENTATION OF ALL OF Y'ALL EACH, BUT, UM, AND IF WE CAN GO AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN, I HATE TO PUT PRESSURE ON YOU GUYS LIKE THAT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON.
I'M THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE 2024 CAPITAL BOND PROGRAM TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
UM, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF HOW OUR PROJECTS ARE IDENTIFIED, EXCUSE ME, EXPLAIN THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
AND WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEPARTMENTS HERE TO GO OVER, UM, EXCUSE ME, THEIR TECHNICAL CRITERIA AS WELL.
HAVE TO LOOK UP THE NEXT, NEXT, UM, THANK.
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OH, THANK YOU.UM, SO WE'VE ASKED ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEPARTMENTS TO, UM, TO DEVELOP THEIR OWN TECHNICAL CRITERIA WITH A MAXIMUM SCORE OF 80 POINTS.
THE REMAINING 20 POINTS ARE GONNA BE DETERMINED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.
10 POINTS WILL BE FOR EQUITY, AND 10 POINTS ARE GONNA BE FOR PRIORITY OVERLAYS.
THIS IS A SLIDE I THINK EVERYBODY'S SEEN BEFORE.
UH, WE HAVE REFINED IT A LITTLE BIT.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHERE THOSE 10 POINTS FOR EACH CATEGORY ARE GONNA COME FROM TWO POINTS UP TO TWO POINTS EACH COULD BE, UM, ASSESSED FOR EITHER HIGH CRIME AREAS, THE T O D DART, DART SITES MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS.
AND THOSE ARE FOR AREAS WHERE THE AVERAGE HOME IS MEDIUM SALES, PRICE OF HOMES LESS THAN $91,000.
THE THREE 11 SERVICE REQUESTS, UM, AND PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN A CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER COULD GET AN ADDITIONAL TWO POINTS EACH.
WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH THE, UM, OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION TO IDENTIFY THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT SCORE.
UM, FOR THAT, THE ENTIRE CITY, UH, WILL GET A SCORE BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE, AND WE'LL MULTIPLY THAT BY TWO FOR UP TO 10 POINTS ON THAT CRITERIA AS WELL.
UM, UM, SO THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA IS A SET OF TOOLS THAT, UM, THAT WE USE TO RATE PROJECTS AND TO CATEGORIZE THEM, PLACE THEM ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY LIST, UM, AND GROUP THEM BY CATEGORY.
WE DO HAVE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE DEPARTMENTS HERE.
UM, AND THEY ARE GONNA GO OVER THEIR, THE DIFFERENT, UH, THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THEY HAVE FOR THE, FOR THEIR NEEDS INVENTORY CATEGORIES.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING, UM, ASK ALI TO GO OVER THE PUBLIC WORKS.
GOOD MORNING
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, THESE ARE THE CRITERIA OF ESTABLISHED FOR IMPROVE AND UNIMPROVED STREETS.
UH, OF COURSE THE PAVING CONDITION INDEX WILL BE THE MAJORITY OF THE POINTS SINCE, UM, THIS IS WHAT IT COMES FROM OUR PAVING MODEL.
AND, UH, IT RANKS ALL THE STREETS BASED ON THE, UH, CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE.
UH, OTHER CATEGORIES FOR IMPROVED STREETS ARE STREET CLASSIFICATION, TIMING NEEDS, INVENTORY, AND, UH, ANY WORK PLAN THAT IT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITY.
UH, AGAIN, UH, PAVEMENT CONDITION WILL BE THE MAJORITY OF THE POINT.
HOWEVER, SINCE UNI IMPROVED STREETS, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE IS THE WALKABILITY AND ADDING SIDEWALK TO AN UNIN UNIMPROVED STREETS.
SO WE ARE, UM, BASICALLY HAVING THIS, UH, CATEGORY FOR THEM TO ALIGN THEM WITH THE SIDEWALK, UH, MASTER PLAN, HIGH PRIORITY AREAS.
AND IF THOSE UNIMPROVED STREETS ARE IN THAT, UM, AREA, WE GET, WE GOTTA GIVE THEM SOME MORE POINTS, UH, JUST TO BE ABLE TO, UM, BUILD THEM AND ALSO ADD SIDEWALK TO IT, UH, TIMING I INVENTORY, AND, UM, AGAIN, UM, WORK WITH DALLAS WEATHER UTILITIES AND OTHER CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE IN THIS, UM, SLIDE.
UM, IMPROVED ALLEYS AND UNI IMPROVED ALLEYS, UNI IMPROVED ALLEYS IS A NEW CATEGORY FOR US.
UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE PREVIOUS ONE, UH, BUT WE'RE ALSO INCLUDING THIS, UM, AS A PART OF THE, UH, CRITERIA THAT WE ARE ESTABLISHING.
UH, WE ARE, UH, ACTUALLY FINALIZING THE PAVING MODEL FOR THE ALLEYS.
UH, AS A RESULT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX WHERE ALL THE ALLEYS UPDATED ONES, AND THAT'S A MAJORITY OF THE, UH, POINT THAT WE HAVE.
AGAIN, TIME IN, UH, IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY, UM, ALLEY USE FOR REAR ENTRY, ALLEY USE FOR GARBAGE PICKUP, UH, AND ALSO AVAILABILITY OF EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY WILL BE, UM, OTHER CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IN THIS, UH, SELECTION.
PARTNERSHIPS AND BRIDGE AND CULVERT.
THE PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS ARE THE INTERAGENCY PROJECTS, THE ONE THAT THEY HAVE, UM, FUNDING FROM, UH, DIFFERENT SOURCES SUCH AS FEDERAL, STATE, COG, OR COUNTY.
SO OF COURSE, THE AVAILABILITY OF THE OUTSIDE FINE IS THE MAJORITY OF THE POINT FOR THESE PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS.
UH, TIMELINE TO PROVIDE LOCAL MATCHES AND OTHER CRITERIA.
AND ALSO, UH, REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS, UH, HAVE, UH, SCORE FOR THAT, UH, CRITERIA.
ALSO, THE BRIDGES AND COVERTS, UH, THE CONDITION OF THE COMPONENT, UM, THAT COMES USUALLY FROM THE TECHSTAR INSPECTION AND THE CRITICAL STRUCTURE ELEMENT EVALUATION ALSO COMES FROM OUR INSPECTION AND THE CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE AS A PART OF THE SITE, THE BRIDGE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
UM, THE STREET CLASSIFICATION AND OUTSIDE FUNDING AVAILABILITY ALSO HAS, UH, SOME SCORES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CATEGORY.
I BELIEVE THIS IS, UM, FOR US.
UM, UH, MY NAME IS GU CON, CAR DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE, UH, UH, POTENTIAL
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CRITERIA FOR THE, UM, UH, BOND PROGRAM.SO WHAT WE DID IS WE CATEGORIZED THE PROJECTS WITHIN, UH, THAT FALL WITHIN, UM, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND THE CATEGORIES INCLUDE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL PARTNERSHIPS, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT ARE EXISTING AND, AND, UH, INCLUDES THE, UH, TECHNOLOGY UPGRADES, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT ARE WARRANTED, UH, STREET LIGHTS, UH, VISION ZERO OR SAFETY RELATED PROJECTS, UH, QUIET ZONES, UH, COMPLETE STREETS AND STRATEGIC CORRIDORS OR AUTHOR AFFAIRS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE, UM, UH, FOR THE CITY TO, UH, TO HANDLE.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE DID IS WE, UH, DEVELOPED A, UH, TECHNICAL, UH, CRITERIA, UH, THAT WOULD GO WITH, UH, EACH CATEGORY.
THE TECHNICAL SCORING CRITERIA THAT WE USED INCLUDED, UH, OVERLAYS, CORE EQUITY, IMPACT ASSESSMENT, SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, ECONOMIC, UM, VITALITY, HOUSING INNOVATION, UH, PREVENTING CRITICAL FAILURES, PUBLIC INPUT, PROJECT READINESS AND OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COST IMPLICATIONS, ALL IN LINE WITH THE STRATEGIC, UH, UH, MOBILITY PLAN OR CONNECT DALLAS.
THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN ADDITION TO OUR, UH, OTHER, UH, PLANS.
SO THIS IS A TABLE THAT REPRESENTS BASICALLY THE VARIOUS, UH, UH, TYPE OF OR CATEGORIES OF PROJECTS, AS WELL AS THE, UH, UH, ASSIGNED, UM, OR PROPOSED, ASSIGNED, UH, SCORING FOR, UH, EACH, UH, CRITERIA.
AND BASED ON THAT, BASICALLY THE CRITERIA IS, UH, UH, UH, BASED ON TOTAL POINTS OF A HUNDRED POINTS.
AND, UH, EACH PROJECT WITHIN EACH, WITHIN EACH CATEGORY WILL BE RANKED THAT WAY.
MATT PINK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR DOS WATER UTILITIES, UH, PROJECTS WITHIN THE FLOOD PROTECTION DRAIN CATEGORY ARE TYPICALLY IDENTIFIED FOR THREE 11 RESPONSES.
FLOOD STUDIES, COMMUNITY CALLS, UM, SYSTEM INSPECTIONS AND MASTER PLANS, AND WE CATEGORIZE THOSE INTO FLOOD MANAGEMENT, STORM DRAINS, RELIEF AND EROSION CONTROL.
THE FIRST CATEGORY, FLOOD MANAGEMENT.
UH, THOSE TYPICALLY INCLUDE, UH, THINGS LIKE BRIDGES, CHANNELS, UH, STREET PUMP STATIONS, STORMWATER DAMS, UH, ALSO VOLUNTARY PURCHASE OF FLOOD-PRONE PROPERTIES.
UM, THE CATEGORY OF THE, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE CRITERIA WE USE FOR THAT CATEGORY IS THE FREQUENCY OF FLOODING, UH, WHETHER IT OCCURS ON A TWO YEAR RECURRENCE OR A HUNDRED YEAR RECURRENCE.
UH, THE DEPTH OF FLOODING DURING A HUNDRED YEAR EVENT, UH, THE DEPTH AND VELOCITY, UM, THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES AFFECTED, AND ALSO THE RATIO OF THE COST PER THE PROTECTED STRUCTURE.
SO THESE, THESE, UH, SCORES ARE THEN GOING TO BE, UH, NORMALIZED TO THE SCALE THAT WE'RE USING, CONSISTENT WITH THE PROGRAM, SO THAT WE CAN THEN APPLY THE 20 POINTS FOR THE EQUITY AND THE, UH, UH, THE OVERLAYS THAT, UH, JENNY TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
UH, THIS IS PRO, UH, THESE ARE PROJECTS TO ADDRESS UNDERSIZED SYSTEMS, UH, UPGRADES AND EXTENSIONS.
UH, ALSO CAN, UH, COVER AREAS THAT ARE REPETITIVE FLOOD LOSSES.
UM, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER, UH, UH, PREVIOUS CATEGORY, FLOOD MANAGEMENT.
WE LOOK AT THE FREQUENCY OF FLOODING, THE DEPTH OF FLOODING, NUMBER AFFECTED STRUCTURES, AND ALSO THE RATIO OF THE COST PER THE, UH, STRUCTURES PROTECTED.
AND THE LAST CATEGORY IS ONE OF OUR, OUR, ALL OF OUR FAVORITES, I BELIEVE, IS EROSION CONTROL.
UM, THAT PROVIDES ARMORING AND EROSION CONTROL PROTECTION FOR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTIES, UM, STREETS, BRIDGES, ALLEYS, AND HOMES AS WELL.
UH, WE LOOK AT, UH, SEVERAL DIFFERENT CRITERIA WHEN, UH, UH, RANKING THESE PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE RATIO OF THE DISTANCE, UH, OF THE, THE EROSION FROM THE STRUCTURE AND THE DEPTH OF THE EROSION.
ALSO, THE RATE OF THE, THE BANK LOSS.
IS IT SLOW OR IS IT MORE, UH, FAST OCCURRING? UH, THE RATIO OF THE COST TO, TO STRUCTURES PROTECTED.
AND THEN, UH, WHAT TYPE OF THREAT IS IT TO? IS IT TO THE HOME, UH, A PRIMARY STRUCTURE? IS IT SOMETHING MORE LIKE A FENCE OR A YARD? SO WE, WE LOOK AT THAT, UH, WHEN WE ASSIGN POINTS FOR THAT NEXT SLIDE.
THESE ARE JUST SOME, UH, CONSIDERATIONS AS WE LOOK AT THE SIZE, UH, AND CAPACITY OF THE FLOOD AND DRAINS PROPOSITION.
UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT A CITYWIDE OR REGIONAL APPROACH VERSUS A NEIGHBORHOOD FOCUS? UH, DO WE WANT TO, HOW DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE DISTRIBUTION OF FUNDS AMONG THE THREE CATEGORIES I MENTIONED, UM, DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADDRESS, UH, PRIVATE EROSION CONTROL? AND DO WE WANT TO PUT MORE EMPHASIS ON, UH, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS FROM EROSION? UH, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER PURCHASING FLOOD FROM PROPERTIES,
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UM, THROUGH VOLUNTARY PURCHASE? AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THINGS LIKE HIGHER WEIGHT FOR WHERE WE CAN LEVERAGE FUNDS? AND SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WILL, IN FUTURE DISCUSSIONS, AS I BELIEVE, UH, THE SCHEDULE FOR THE, THE BOND PROGRAM BE LAID OUT WILL BE TALKING AND, AND GETTING FEEDBACK ON THOSE THINGS AS WE DEVELOP OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.UH, SO FOR THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR THE FACILITIES, UH, FOR, FOR THE CITY, THE OFFICE OF, OF THE BOND OFFICE, AS WELL AS THE BUSINESS, AND, UM, I'M SORRY, BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT HAS PUT TOGETHER THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR NEW AND FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE ITEMS, THE BOND OFFICE FOCUSED.
THE BOND OFFICE WAS FOCUSING ON, UM, ON NEW FACILITIES.
UH, THE CATE OR THE CRITERIA THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS COMMUNITY AND, UM, STAKEHOLDER SUPPORT, SITE ACQUISITION STATUS, WHETHER OR NOT WE HAD THE PROPERTY OR, OR NEEDED TO, UM, TO ACQUIRE ANYTHING IF WHERE IT WAS IN THE DESIGN STATUS, UM, IF IT WAS ALREADY SH SHOVEL READY OR NOT, THE ECONOMIC VITALITY, WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS PART OF A CURRENT, UH, MASTER PLAN, THE ABILITY TO LEVERAGE FUNDS, UM, IF IT WAS PART OF A, A PRIOR PHASED, UH, WAS, HAD BEEN COMPLETED, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SAFETY AND THEN THE EQUITY AND OVERLAY TOOL AS WELL TO GET TO THE HUNDRED POINTS.
AND THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF THE VARIOUS, UM, CRITERIA THAT I JUST TALKED ABOUT ACROSS THE FOUR, UM, FACILITY CATEGORIES.
AMANI, SALK BUILDING SERVICES, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
UM, AND THE NEXT TWO SLIDES I WILL COVER, PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE, UH, FOR THE BOND FOR THE 2024 BOND CAPITAL EXPENDITURES NEEDED BEYOND THE FACILITY'S ROUTINE REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.
AND THAT IS FOR MAJOR REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT OF, OF FAILED SYSTEMS SUCH AS MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, OR STRUCTURAL EXPENDITURES.
ALSO NEEDED FOR PROJECTS THAT ADDRESS SAFETY, HEALTH, AND ENVIRONMENT RELATED ISSUES.
UM, ALSO FOR FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS TO COMPLY WITH STANDARDS, REGULATIONS AND, UH, AND OR CODE VSD DEVELOPED SIX TECHNICAL CRITERIA TO SCORE IDENTIFIED FACILITIES, MAJOR MAINTENANCE NEEDS FOR THE 2024 BOND.
UM, THE FIRST CRITERIA AS SHOWN HERE IN THE TABLE, UM, THEY'RE OUT OF 80 POINTS AND ASSESSED BY BUILDING SERVICES.
UM, AND AS YOU COULD SEE HERE, THE MAXIMUM POINTS FOR EACH CRITERIA IS LISTED.
AND I'LL GO OVER THESE, UM, IN THE NEXT SLIDE, BUT ALSO I WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THAT THE SIX CRITERION ASSIST BY THE DATA ANALYTICS AND, AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE DEPARTMENT, UM, IS THE PRIORITY AREA OVERLAYS, AND THAT IS OUT OF 20 POINTS.
UM, SO AS I MENTIONED, THE FIRST FIVE CRITERIA OUT OF 80 POINTS WILL BE ASSESSED BY BUILDING SERVICES.
THE FIRST ONE IS THE PRIORITY LEVEL BASED ON BUILDING CONDITION.
UM, AND THEY'RE RATED FROM ONE TO THREE PRIORITY ONE B FOR THE BUILDINGS THAT FAILED OR FACING IMMINENT ENT CLOSURE.
PRIORITY TWO IS FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY CRITICAL IN AN, IN A YEAR OR SO.
PRIORITY THREE IS WILL BE FOR BUILDINGS THAT REQUIRE MAJOR SERVICES, UM, IN TWO TO FIVE YEARS.
THE SECOND CRITERION IMPROVE OPERATION MAINTENANCE COSTS.
UM, THOSE PROJECTS THAT WILL REDUCE BASICALLY THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS, SUCH AS REPLACING A PLUMBING SYSTEM WHERE WE RECEIVE A LOT OF OR FREQUENT REPORTS AND WE CONTINUE TO REPAIR.
THE THIRD CRITERION IS DESIGN STATUS, AND THAT IS FOR PROJECT CONSULT.
IF A PROJECT CONSULTANT WAS SELECTED OR PROJECT DESIGN IS UNDERWAY OR COMPLETED.
UM, THE FOURTH ONE, IF A PROJECT IS IDENTIFIED IN 2017 FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND IN THAT ASSESSMENT, 220 BUILDINGS WERE ASSESSED OUT OF THE 504 BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT, MAINTAIN THE LAST CRITERION IS IMPROVED FACILITY, UH, RESILIENCY, SAFETY, SAFETY AND OR SUPPORT CCAP GOALS.
UM, SUCH PROJECTS COULD BE INSTALLING GENERATORS AT CITY FACILITIES, UM, ROOFING REPLACEMENT OR IMPROVED ENERGY EFFICIENCY.
WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY SLIDES NEXT, JENNY.
SO, UM, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WE'VE ALL SEEN BEFORE, AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZING THE PRESENTATION, BUT, UM, THIS SHOWS THAT THE CURRENT NEEDS INVENTORY SITS AT 2.5 BILLION WITH, UM, WITH A 5% ESCALATION.
UM, WE SHOWING WHAT THAT NEEDS INVENTORY IS GONNA BE IN 24 AND 25.
AND THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE, WE ARE IN THE
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PROCESS.UM, WE WILL BE PRESENTING, UM, TOMORROW, I BELIEVE, UM, TO COUNSEL AS WELL.
THE, UM, THE BRIEFING THAT WAS CANCELED IN FEBRUARY.
UM, WE ARE ON TRACK AND, AND MOVING FORWARD, UM, WITH THE, THE SCHEDULE THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY DEVELOPED, UM, I THINK THE, THE LAST BIG THING THAT HAD HAPPENED WAS WE, UM, PROVIDED, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE STAKEHOLDER, UM, CALENDAR SET UP THE TASK FORCE AND SUBCOMMITTEE CALENDAR SET UP, EXCUSE ME, NEXT SLIDE.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT SUMMARIZES THE, THE REST OF OUR CALENDAR.
SO WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TO ASSESS THEM, ADDRESS THEM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'M GONNA START OFF WITH CHAIR SCHULTZ AND WE'LL WORK OUR WAY THIS WAY TO THE LEFT IF THAT'S, THANK YOU.
I HAVE SOME SPECIFIC SLIDE QUESTIONS ON SLIDE FOUR WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE M V.
UM, ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE MORE PRIORITY TO THOSE OF LOWER, I GUESS HIGHER LEVEL? I DON'T KNOW THE LOWER LEVELS OF THE MBA THAN HIGHER.
I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE.
I KNOW WE HAVE THE SLIDE IN TOMORROW'S PRESENTATION TOO, SO WE CAN, I CAN TRY AND GET THAT INFORMATION FOR TOMORROW.
SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY HOUSING, RIGHT? BUT EVEN THOUGH SOMEBODY MAY BE IN AN A HOUSING AREA, THEIR ALLEY MAY BE AN F MM-HMM.
AND SO HOW ARE WE GONNA OVERLAY THAT? SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE MBA IS ACTUALLY GONNA IMPACT SOME OF THESE FACILITY QUESTIONS ON SLIDE NINE.
UM, OR YOU TALK ABOUT, UM, THE, UH, WELL MAYBE IT'S NOT SLIDE NINE THAT WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT THE SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL.
NOT IT SAID SLIDE NINE, BUT I GUESS I HAVE IT IN THE WRONG ORDER.
THERE'S ONE MORE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE SUPPORT.
YOU KNOW, THAT THERE'LL BE, UH, BENEFITS GIVEN IF THERE'S SUPPORT FROM COUNCIL.
WHERE IS THAT SUPPORT FROM? UH, COMMUNITY IF YOU'RE LOOKING? OH, COMMUNITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY.
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME? IT WAS SLIDE NINE, BUT IT'S NOT COUNCIL MEMBER CITY FACILITY.
BUT ANYWAY, MY QUESTION IS HOW ARE YOU GONNA MEASURE THAT? HOW ARE YOU GONNA MEASURE COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
THAT WAS A PART OF THE CRITERIA.
ACTUALLY, IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE UPDATED.
OH, THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE IT.
UH, WELL WE, WE ARE STILL GONNA RECEIVE THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, COUNCIL APPROVAL THROUGH THE NEXT PHASE, WHICH WE HAVE THE TASK FORCE FROM RESIDENTS, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA GET INPUT AND ALSO, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAVE THE FINANCING AND THE SELECTION.
SO THAT'S WHY WE REMOVED THAT FROM THE CRITERIA.
SO IT'S NOT AN OFFICIAL CALCULUS.
THEN ON SLIDE 20 FOR DW, UM, WHO'S ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS
I THINK IT'S A TERRIFIC APPROACH.
SO THE, THESE ARE CONSIDERATIONS.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY PRESENTING FIRST TIME FOR YOU TODAY AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HAVE MEETINGS WITH EACH OF YOU OVER YOUR, SO THERE ARE CON WE'RE GONNA BE ANSWERING THOSE CONSIDERATIONS BOTH AS US AS A DEPARTMENT, AS YOU AS WELL, AND ALSO THE TASK FORCE.
UH, WE WANT TO GET FEEDBACK ON THOSE SO WE CAN DEVELOP A PROGRAM THAT FITS THE COMMUNITY, THE COUNCIL AND THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
AND THEN ON SLIDE 23, UM, YOU MENTIONED AN LOI.
MY QUESTION IS, OH, MY QUESTION IS, UH, WILL AN LOI SUFFICE, UH, FOR SOME OF THESE? CUZ I KNOW WE'RE JUST BEGINNING TO WORK ON SOME OF THESE AND WE HAVEN'T ACQUIRED ANY PROPERTY CUZ THERE'S NO MONEY TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY.
SO CAN AN LOI COUNT? UH, I, I WILL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, ON SLIDE 27 WHERE YOU TALK AB LET'S SEE WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FACILITIES ALSO ARE, ARE, AND I KNOW THIS MAY HAVE BEEN IN YOUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, SO FORGIVE ME.
UM, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF CLOSING ANY FACILITIES THAT ARE REALLY UNNECESSARY FOR THE CITY TO HAVE ANY LONGER? THE ONLY CONDITION WHERE WE TEMPORARILY CLOSE IS FOR SAFETY.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE FIND MOLD AND WE DO REMEDIATION, BUT, UH, WE HAVEN'T CAME ACROSS ANY ISSUES WHERE WE HAD TO CLOSE.
UM, NO, I I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS NOT HAVE TO CLOSE, BUT WANT TO CLOSE BECAUSE IT'S AN UNNEEDED FACILITY.
SO IS THAT A WHOLE SEPARATE PROCESS THAT SAYS WE'RE GONNA DO AN EVALUATION TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S FACILITIES WE EVEN NEED ANY LONGER? WE'VE LOANED THEM FOR A HUNDRED YEARS, DON'T NEED 'EM.
IT IS A SEP SEPARATE PROCESS, BUT I WANNA EMPHASIZE THE PRIORITY LEVEL IS BASED ON THE BUILDING CONDITION.
SO IF THE BUILDING CONDITION FAILED, UM, YES, DEFINITELY, UM, WE WILL CONSIDER THAT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, MS. WILLIS, MS. UH, CHAIRMAN WILLIS? SURE.
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YOU.SO, UH, I CONCUR ON SLIDE FOUR ABOUT HOW WE RESOLVE HIGH HOME VALUE, BUT REALLY POOR INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT AND HOW WE, WE DON'T PENALIZE SOMEONE FOR THAT ON SLIDE SEVEN.
AND UM, I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE AS WELL.
MAYBE IT'S AROUND PUBLIC WORK.
UH, AND ON 14, UH, I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT PAVEMENT CONDITIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT I'M ALSO WONDERING ABOUT TRAFFIC VOLUME BECAUSE IF WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND WE HAVE FINITE FUNDS AND WE'RE GONNA MAKE REPAIRS, IT'S, UM, TO ME IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT, THAT PAVEMENT INDEX, IT'S ALSO ABOUT WHAT IS THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT WE'RE SERVING.
AND THAT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO A DISTRICT.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING ALL OVER THIS CITY.
UH, HAVE YOU GIVEN THOUGHT TO HOW THAT WOULD FACTOR IN? UH, THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THE QUESTION.
UM, THE STREET CLASSIFICATION TRAFFIC VOLUME IS A PART OF IT BECAUSE, UH, STREET CLASSIFICATION MEANING, UH, IT COULD BE ARTERIAL OR LOCAL OR COLLECTOR BASED ON THE, UH, TRAFFIC VOLUME BASED ON THE, UH, WIDTH OF THE STREET AND ALL THIS, UH, CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE.
UH, ALSO, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS ALSO A FACTOR OF VOLUME.
THE MORE TRAFFIC WE HAVE ON THE, UH, ROADWAYS, THE LOWER PCI THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OVER THE TIME.
UH, BUT YEAH, STREET CLASSIFICATION WILL BE THE ONE THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND TRAFFIC IS PART OF THAT.
SO IT'S GOT THAT STRATA OF STREETS ABOUT HOW, HOW MUCH VOLUME IS ON IT.
I, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK, I MEAN, GIVEN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY, THE PARTS OF OUR CITY THAT, UH, HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED AS MUCH POTENTIAL VOLUME, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO SCALE, UH, OR GIVE THOUGHT TO THAT.
UM, ANOTHER QUESTION ON EIGHT IS ABOUT UNI IMPROVED ALLEYS AND IMPROVED ALLEYS.
SO I'M FRESH OFF OF A SANITATION RIDE AND UH, THERE ARE DEFINITELY ALLEYS THAT HAVE UTILITY POLES THAT ARE VERY NARROWLY PLACED AND THAT I WOULD, I, HOW ARE WE LOOKING AT WHETHER SOME ALLEYS ARE PROBABLY DESTINED TO BE CLOSED FOR SANITATION PICKUP? THEY NOW, THEY MAY STILL HAVE REAR ENTRY TO A HOME.
HOWEVER, I'M GUESSING THAT THE KIND OF CONSTRUCTION YOU WOULD DO AROUND THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN HAVING TO MANAGE THOSE, YOU KNOW, MULTI TON TRUCKS EVERY DAY.
I GUESS AT THIS POINT, SINCE SOME OF THE ALLEYS ARE BEING USED FOR, UH, TRASH PICKUP, UM, IF THERE IS AN, IF THAT CHANGES IN FUTURE, SO THAT PROBABLY GONNA CHANGE OUR CRITERIA ALSO BECAUSE, UH, REGARDLESS IF THERE IS NO NEED FOR ANY TRASH PICKUP FROM ANY ALLEYS, THEN PROBABLY ALL THE ALLEYS GONNA GET THE SAME POINT IN THAT CATEGORY ANYWAYS.
BUT, UH, FOR THOSE AS OF NOW, AGAIN, UM, SINCE THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT IS USING SOME OF THE ALLEYS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO KNOW THAT IF, UH, THE ALLEY IS BEING USED THAT SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF WEIGHT ON, UM, IMPROVING IT BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF THE, I GUESS THE PAVEMENT IS NOT GOOD FOR SANITATION TO COME IN AND SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO REROUTE IT BECAUSE OF THAT ACTUALLY, UM, UH, PROBLEM.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ACTUALLY CONSIDERING THAT AS A POINT.
UH, WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I, I AGREE WITH THAT.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T WANNA DEDICATE RESOURCES TO THAT IF WE ARE POTENTIALLY GONNA CLOSE IT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'VE GOTTA DO SOME RESEARCH.
PEREZ BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT ALLEYS ON PAVEMENT CONDITION VERSUS SOME OF THESE OTHER CRITERIA, UH, THAT WOULD DESTIN IT TO POSSIBLY BE CLOSED BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF ACCIDENTS, EITHER TO OUR OWN TRUCKS OR TO RESIDENCE HOMES.
UH, JUST SOME OF THE PLACEMENT, I MEAN, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS ARE REALLY DANGEROUS FOR THOSE DRIVERS.
SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE WE'RE FACTORING THAT IN.
AND I DUNNO IF THERE'S A PLAN THAT'S GONNA COME TOGETHER THAT'S CONGRUENT WITH THE TIMING OF THIS.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GET TO THAT.
UM, BUT I THINK BEFORE WE INVEST THAT MONEY, WE JUST NEED TO SEE IS THIS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE IN THIS ONE FOR THE LONG HAUL OR IS THIS ONE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA INVEST AND THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA NEED IT.
UH, CHAIR WILLIS, UH, ROBERT PETTIS ASSISTANT, UH, CITY MANAGER.
UM, SO LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA THAT'S BEING USED FOR THE IMPROVED ALLEYS, I I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PROBABLY PUT IN THERE.
UM, THERE'S, UH, ONE OF THE CRITERION IS, UH, ALLEY USE FOR GARBAGE PICKUP.
UM, MAYBE IT'S, UH, CONTINUED, UH, ALLEY USE, UH, FOR GARBAGE PICKUP.
IF WE KNOW SOMETHING'S GONNA BE, UH, CLOSED OR, OR THE SANITATION IS GONNA CLOSE AN ALLEY, UH, FOR GARBAGE PICKUP, THEN I MEAN MAYBE THAT'S A CONSIDERATION THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.
UM, BUT DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK, I MEAN WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS.
THE SECOND THAT, UH, A RESIDENT OR OR NEIGHBORHOOD HERE IS THAT THEIR ALLEY IS GONNA BE CLOSE FOR GARBAGE PICKUP.
UM, THERE THERE'S DISCUSSIONS TO BE HAD.
DON'T I KNOW IT? I MEAN, SO I, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT I'M JUST, I'M LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBOR'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT THEN ALSO A MO THE
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DIRECTION WHERE WE'RE GOING BECAUSE OF VOLUME LOSS, UM, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICALLY.SO IT'S, IT'S A HARD DISCUSSION TO HAVE, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE THAT ARE IN THE CONDITIONS ARE JUST, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAPPEN CUZ WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SECURE THE RIGHT OF WAY NEEDED OR WHATEVER.
ANYWAY, I JUST, I'M JUST PLANTING THAT SEED FOR DISCUSSION ON PAGE 17.
UM, WELL I THINK ACTUALLY ON 18 WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STORM DRAINAGE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT DEPTH OF A HUNDRED YEAR FLOODING GIVEN THE WAY THAT THE, THE VOLUME OF RAIN AND THE FREQUENCY OF RAIN AND JUST THE WAY THAT HAS CHANGED IS 100 YEAR WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, SHOULD WE TIGHTEN THAT UP? SOME, I MEAN, BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE GOT SOME RESIDENTS DEALING WITH SOME SERIOUS FLOODING ISSUES WHEN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO RAIN THAT MUCH.
UM, YES, WE DO LOOK AT DIFFERENT, UH, LAYERS OF FLOODING.
SO WE ASSIGN POINTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT IS, IT IS A MATTER WHERE OUR STANDARDS ARE FOR THE A HUNDRED YEAR AND THE A HUNDRED YEAR STANDARDS HAVE CHANGED.
SO AS, AS STORMS HAVE GOTTEN MORE INTENSE AND THE DURATIONS CHANGE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THE STANDARDS WE UTILIZE TO CALCULATE THE A HUNDRED YEAR STORM HAVE ALSO CHANGED.
SO IT'S NOT THAT WE USE THE OLD STANDARDS, WE, THE RAINFALL INTENSITY AND DURATION STANDARDS FOR CALCULATING THAT HAVE ALSO CHANGED.
SO, SO THAT'S GONNA BE ADDRESSED IN THIS.
AND THEN THE, THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT EROSION CONTROL, UM, YEAH, I DO THINK THAT'S VERY SEXY AND I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT
UM, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE PAVE, THE MORE WE'RE SENDING MONEY TO OUR CREEKS AND THE MORE THAT EROSION IS AFFECTING, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY PUBLICLY BUT PRIVATELY.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF ASKING SOME HOMEOWNERS TO BEAR THE BRUNT OF, OF ALL OF THIS.
AND SO I I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO, UM, MAKE SURE I, I'VE NOTICED THAT THIS, THIS SEEMS TO BE DIALED BACK A LITTLE, THE WHOLE STORM WATER ASPECT OF THIS BOND PROGRAM AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DIALING IT BACK.
UH, I WANNA GO TO THE UN IMPROVED STREET AND, UM, THE MAXIMUM POINT.
SO CAN YOU KIND OF GIMME THE DEFINITION OF THE UNIMPROVED STREET THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER? YES.
UM, THE ONE THAT WE CALL IT UNIMPROVED STREET, THESE ARE THE STREET THAT THEY DON'T HAVE CURB AND GUTTER.
THEY MAY HAVE A PAVING, UH, ASPHALT OR CONCRETE IS HARDLY FIND ANY CONCRETE UNI, IMPROVED STREET.
BUT, UH, REGARDLESS IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CURB AND GUTTER, THESE ARE UNPROVED STREETS.
AND DEFINE IF YOU, AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE CURVES AND GULLAH, IT IS UNAPPROVED.
UM, GETTING TO THE ALLEYS, UM, THE UNAPPROVED ALLEYS, YOU KNOW, UM, IF YOU, THE PEOPLE, THE THE SANITATION GENERAL PICK UP TRASH, WE KNOW THOSE STREETS NEED TO BE IMPROVED, BUT WHEN IT MOVES THE SANITATION TO THE FRONT AND YOU STILL GOT REAL ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENT, IT IS THAT GONNA GO AWAY OR YOU GOING TO UH, UH, GET MORE POINTS BECAUSE YOU STILL GOT A REAR ENTRY GARAGE OR WHAT? WELL, THE REAR ENTRY, UM, HAS A ALREADY HAS A POINT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
UH, THERE'S A 10 POINT FOR REAR ENTRY AND 10 POINT FOR GARBAGE PICKUP.
IF THE GARBAGE PICKUP GOES AWAY FROM, UH, THE CITY RULE OR IF SANITATION WANTS TO REROUTE EVERYTHING TO THE STREET, THEN WE'RE GONNA DISTRIBUTE THAT 10 POINT TO ALL THE ALLEYS ARE GONNA BE, UH, SUBJECTIVE ANYWAYS.
UH, WHEN YOU GET TO EROSION, AND I KNOW AT TIME THAT, UH, A DECADE AGO WHEN MOST RESIDENTS HAD EROSION IN, IN THEIR BACKYARD, GOT A CREEK COMING IN, UH, THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN TO PAY FOR THE EROSION, UH, TO DO THAT, UH, TO PUT ON THE BOND PACKET.
ARE WE GONNA CHANGE THAT TO, TO GET SOME HELP TO THE RESIDENT BECOME A CREEK BEHIND THERE BECAUSE OF THE, THE, THE UP THE UP, UM, DEVELOPMENT? CAUSE THE EROSION COME IN AND THAT TAKE PART OF THEIR, THEIR THEIR BACKYARD.
THA THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
SO, UM, CURRENTLY IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, IT IS THE OWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT UP TO A POINT UNTIL THE CITY HAS A CHANCE TO ADDRESS IT THROUGH A BOND PROGRAM.
SO, UH, WE DO NOT AT THIS TIME FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY WAY TO GET AWAY FROM EROSION CONTROL, UH, FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT THROUGH THE BOND PROGRAM.
SO WE NEED TO IDENTIFY WHAT LEVEL OF, UH, FUNDING WE WANT TO PROVIDE FOR THAT SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO ASSIST, UH, THOSE FOLKS BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE.
IT'S ABOUT $3,500 A FOOT CURRENTLY.
UM, AND, AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE COST.
SO, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE THROUGH THE, THE BOND PROGRAM TO HELP ASSIST WITH EROSION ISSUES.
PEREZ, UM, WHEN WE DO LOOK AT EROSION, I KNOW IN OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHATEVER, WHEN PEOPLE DO DEVELOPMENT, WHEN
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YOU BUILD A WHOLE LOT OF CONCRETE UP NORTH, THE FLOW COME DOWN AND CAUSE THE EROSION.IT'S NOT THE RESIDENT'S FAULT, IT'S A DEVELOPER FAULT WHO BUILD UP EARLY.
AND WE DID NOT DO A GOOD, UM, UH, STUDY TO HOW THAT WATER IS COMING DOWN AND, AND THROUGH THE, UH, THROUGH, UM, DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
SO I KNOW AT ONE TIME WE DID ADDRESS THAT WITH STONE WATERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IN THIS BUN, UH, WE CAN KIND OF ADDRESS THAT.
SOME RESIDENTS SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY BUILD A WALMART.
THAT'S WHAT CAUSED EROSION IN MY BACKYARD BECAUSE THE WATER COME FROM DURHAM TO MY BACKYARD IN, IN THOSE CREEK.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO FIND HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THOSE IS IN A BOND PACKAGE OR WE FIND SOME KINDA WAY TO, TO PAY FOR IT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO COUNCILMAN ATKINS.
I I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THAT WE, UH, BETWEEN THE COUNCIL OF THE COMMUNITY AND OUR, OUR TEAM, CITY TEAM STAFF THAT, UH, WE COME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF MATT HAS ANYTHING ELSE.
SO WE ALSO SEND, UH, FLOW DOWNSTREAM TO OTHER CITIES.
AND SO IT IS A, IS A CHALLENGE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN HOPEFULLY TRY TO WORK WITH THE COG AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, CITIES TO WORK ON SOMETHING.
BUT IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DEVELOP IN OUR CITY, SOMETIMES THE IMPACTS OCCUR TO DOWNSTREAM OF US AS WELL.
SO, UM, IT'S NOT THAT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HAPPENS TO EVERYBODY'S SITUATION.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A REAL GOOD ANSWER FOR HOW TO, TO DEAL WITH THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CREEKS DON'T NECESSARILY FOLLOW, UH, MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.
AND SO IT'S, IT BECOMES VERY CHALLENGING.
THE KEY IS WHEN YOU'RE IN THE VALLEY, YOU GET THE WORST VERSUS YOU, YOU ON TOP OF THE HILL, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S WHAT I DON'T LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE VALLEY, YOU KNOW, YOU ON TOP OF THE HILL WHEN YOU BUILD SOMETHING, THE, THE WATER RUN DOWN AND, AND CAUSE QUITE A BIT OF EROSION, ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT.
YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT IT CONSTANTLY.
THE HONDA, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE WATER IS NOT SHRINKING TO THE TRINITY OF THE RIVER.
YOU KNOW IT, CAUSE I LOOK AT FIVE MILES MANY, MANY YEARS.
WE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF FLOOD THERE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAME IN TO DO THAT.
CADILLAC HEIGHT IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT.
SO I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE LOOK AT THIS AND THROUGH THE DISTRICT THAT WE DO HAVE THE EROSION PROBLEM AND SAY THIS IS A MASSIVE BOND PACKAGE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FIX THIS OR WHAT CAN WE FIX THE FEDERAL FUND OR WHATEVER.
BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SAVE, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE, RESIDENT AND PEOPLE PROPERTY VALUE IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THIS DURING THE, DURING THIS BOND DEAL.
I THINK IT'S A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH AND, AND WE'LL LOOK AT WAYS WE CAN.
AND MR. MORENO, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK Y'ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I WANNA GO BACK TO, UH, HAVING AN EVALUATION OF OUR SURPLUS BUILDINGS.
THEY MIGHT NOT BE SURPLUS CURRENTLY, BUT THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE A LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR FIVE, 10 YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S WISE TO INVEST BOND DOLLARS IN A, A FACILITY THAT WE MIGHT NOT END UP UTILIZING DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WATCHING THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TECHNICAL CRITERIA AND SCORES AND RANKS.
I WANNA KEEP IN MIND THAT IN SOME PARTS OF OUR DISTRICT, WHAT, WHAT WE SEE ABOVE GROUND MIGHT LOOK NEW AND SHINY, BUT WHAT'S BELOW THOSE ROAD STRUCTURES ARE SOME OF THE OLDEST PARTS OF THEIR CITY.
AND, AND JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN NOT, UM, UPGRADE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING, UH, THROUGH DIFFERENT LENSES AND NOT JUST THROUGH, UH, AN INVESTMENT, UH, BUT MAKING SURE THAT THE CITY IS ALSO DOING OUR PART TO, TO ENSURE THAT FLOODING.
I MEAN, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS AFFECTING EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, AND I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A FULL DISCUSSION FOR, FOR THIS, UH, COMMITTEE HERE, BUT WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT, UH, FLOOD MITIGATION THROUGH ZONING.
UM, HOW WE ALLOW, UH, BUILDERS TO BUILD, UH, CURB CUTOUT, UH, LOT COVERAGE.
THE, UM, AMOUNT OF, UH, PERIAL SURFACE THAT THAT'S ON A PROPERTY.
UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND STREETS, WANNA MAKE SURE WE TAKE A, A KEY, UH, LENS ON THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND NOT JUST, UM, UH, MILD ROADWAY, BUT, BUT THERE'S SOME, SOME ROADS, UH, ESPECIALLY IN THE CBD DISTRICT THAT, UM, EVERYONE USES.
AND SO WE NEED TO BE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MINDFUL THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT SOLELY DOING DISTRICT SPECIFIC IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THE, SOME OF THESE ARE CITYWIDE.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IF IT'S A FACILITY OR A ROAD THAT IS USED BY THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, THAT WE'RE LISTING THOSE AS UM,
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UH, CITYWIDE PROJECTS.AND AGAIN, I MEAN THIS IS REALLY AN EXCITING TIME.
UH, I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE, UH, UH, TIMES WHERE RESIDENTS CAN REALLY SEE WHERE, WHERE THEIR DOLLARS ARE GOING CUZ BECAUSE THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS AND, AND IT HELPS SHAPE THE NEXT, UH, SEVEN TO 10 YEARS.
SO I'M EXCITED TO, TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, TO WORKING WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF Y'ALL.
I, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO BE JUST YEAH.
YOU HAVE LIKE QUICK, LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES.
UH, IF WE CAN GO TO, I WANT TO JUST WALK THROUGH A MATH EQUATION HERE CAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND SLIDE FOUR AND HOW IT PLAYS WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.
CAN YOU JUST GO TO SLIDE FOUR AGAIN? SO CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THE TWO POINTS AND THE 10 POINTS APPLY TO EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THIS BRIEFING? SO WE, IT'S SCORED INDIVIDUALLY BY DEPARTMENT AND THEN ADDITIONAL SCORING IS, IS FROM HERE? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, SO IF YOU CAN WALK ME THROUGH A SCENARIO, UM, PAGE SEVEN, YOU HAVE THE STREETS, WE JUST SAW THAT.
UM, SO LET'S JUST SAY, UH, UM, I'M SCORING AN IMPROVED STREET WITH 60 POINTS INSTEAD OF 80.
NOW LET'S GO BACK TO SLIDE FOUR AND WHOEVER'S DOING THE SLIDES, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB KEEPING UP WITH US, FLIPPING AROUND.
UM, SO NOW I'VE GOT A 60 POINTS FOURTH STREET.
UM, LET'S SAY IT'S IN A T IT'S NEAR A T OD I I GUESS THAT THAT'S WITHIN A QUARTER MILE, HALF A MILE.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE THAT CRITERIA? WE DON'T KNOW THAT EXACTLY YET.
IT'S EITHER, I THINK IT'S A QUARTER MILE, BUT I'LL, I'LL CONFIRM.
SO, UH, Y'ALL ASK THIS QUESTION AGAIN THERE, RIGHT? AND SO THAT WOULD BE, IS IT ONE POINT OR TWO POINTS? E SO EACH ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES IS UH, UP TO TWO POINTS.
AND THEN STAFF MAKES THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON HOW CLOSE, LIKE IN THIS SCENARIO, HOW CLOSE IT IS TO T OD OR WHAT? YES, IF IT, IF IT FALLS WITHIN I, UM, SUBJECTIVE.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S GIS DRIVEN, SO IT'S GIS DRIVEN.
IT'S NOT JUST A PERSON SAYING, OH, THIS COUNCIL MEMBER'S BLOWING ME UP, I'M GONNA GIVE IT TWO POINTS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT WILL HAPPEN AS YOU KNOW, IN THE BOND PROCESS.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT ONCE ALREADY.
SO YOU COULD GET LITERALLY UP TO 10 POINTS FROM THIS CATEGORY ALONE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN, UH, THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT SCORE, WHO MAKES THAT 10 POINT DETERMINATION? SO THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND, UM, EQUITY INCLUSION, THEY'VE, THEY HAVE DEVELOPED UM, UH, EQUITY ATLAS MAP AND IN THAT MAP THEY HAVE MAPPED THE ENTIRE CITY AND THEY GET A SCORE OF ANYWHERE BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE.
AND WE USE THAT SCORE AND MULTIPLIED BY TWO TO GET THE POINTS FOR, FOR THAT LAST CATEGORY UP TO 10 POINTS.
AND HAVE, HAVE WE SEEN THAT MAP? HAVE, HAVE WE SEEN THE EQUITY, UM, IMPACT ASSESSMENT MAP? I, I'M NOT SURE.
IT PROBABLY HAS BEEN BRIEF TO US, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF TOMORROW'S DISCUSSION AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A SUBJECTIVE, THAT'S MY WHOLE THING IS I, I'VE BEEN ON THE BOND TASK FORCE IN 2017.
IS HE STILL IN HERE? AND UM, IT WAS, IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF IT WAS SUBJECTIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS OR NOT, BUT, UH, THAT THIS, I FEEL LIKE THIS COULD BE REALLY SUBJECTIVE, SO I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT IT'S NOT AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.
UM, MR. WEST AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE GONNA BE BRIEFING THIS TOMORROW WITH FULL COUNSEL.
I'M GONNA NOT ASK ANY QUESTIONS.
JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT.
GOT THAT STUCK AROUND AND UM, CUZ WE DID HAVE TO STOP THIS, UM, NOT HEAR THIS IN THE LAST MEETING.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING US TO ADD IT TO THIS ONE SO THAT YOU COULD ASK YOUR QUESTIONS.
CAUSE I KNOW THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE.
UM, WE'RE TALKING OVER A BILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING THE VOTERS AT SOME POINT TO GO OVER AND WE'VE GOTTA GET THESE PROJECTS CORRECTLY.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YET TO, UM, START LOOKING FOR, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE, UM, THE, THE RESIDENT PORTION OF THIS, UM, START LOOKING CUZ YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE ARE DUE PRETTY SOON.
SO FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, SO THAT THEY CAN START GETTING TO WORK, THE SOONER THEY, THEY GET THESE COMMITTEES SET UP, THE SOONER THEY CAN GET TO WORK AND UM, WE CAN GET THIS BACK, UM, TO COUNCIL SO WE CAN GET IT TO THE VOTERS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
THE TIME IS NOW 11:06 AM ON FEBRUARY 28TH, 2023 AND I NOW CLOSE THE TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, UH, UM, FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.