[City Planning Commission]
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THE REQUEST IS FOR AEX DISTRICT.
OUR PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN MARKED RIGHT SINGLE DISTRICT.
DISTRICT PURPOSE DISTRICT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SYDNEY STREET, NORTHEAST OF SECOND AVENUE.
UH, 7,000 EQUAL LOCATION MAP SHOWS THE PROPERTY IN CITY LIMIT, AERIAL MAP,
SO, UM, SO EVERYTHING SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, UH, IS ZONED AN R FIVE A, SO DISTRICT WITH FIVE FIVE, THAT'S ALSO CIRCUIT 5 95 IMMEDIATELY.
THE LAW, UM, MIX OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY USES AND TO SOUTHWEST HAS INTERNAL WORDS USE BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, ACROSS CAPE STREET IN THE EXISTING CHURCH USE.
AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, TO SHOW THE PREDOMINANT USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, A LITTLE BIT PREDOMINANTLY, UM, SINGLE BANKING MEDIA, UM, STRIKE, CURRENTLY MARKED BY A SEVEN STREET.
THEY ARE REQUESTING A, A SERVICE TO ALLOW DUPLEX USE ON THE SPACE.
SEVEN FIVE PHOTOS ON SYDNEY STREET, MEANS SOUTH RIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF SYDNEY STREET.
AND THEN A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN FROM SOUTHWEST, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS. OTHER CONSTRUCTION.
SO THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, OF THE EXISTING R FIVE A SUB DISTRICT WITH THE PROPOSED DA SUBDISTRICT.
UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES HERE IS IN THE EXISTING R FIVE A THERE'S A 20 FOOT FRONT YARD, WHEREAS IN THE LIKE SIX CIRCUIT, 25 FOOT FRONT YARD.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY IN OUR CODE, IF A BLOCK IS DIVIDED BY TWO ORON DISTRICT, THE ENTIRE BLOCK SUPPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF DISTRICT THE LATEST FRONT YARD REQUIREMENTS.
SO THIS WOULD MEAN, MEAN A DUPLEX LOT ON THIS BLOCK BASE WOULD MAKE THE RBI INPUT SUBJECT TO AN ADDITIONAL, UM, WHICH COULD CREATE CONFORMING STRUCTURES.
IT COULD ALSO COULD CREATE PROBLEMS IF ANY OF THESE RBI LOT TO DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP.
UM, ANOTHER BIG, UM, CHANGE BETWEEN THESE TWO.
THE, UH, MINIMUM LOCK SIZE FOR A DUPLEX DISTRICT IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET OR, UH, 3000 THE VOLUME UNIT.
WHEREAS YOU, OUR FIVE A FIVE SQUARE FEET, UH, ADDITIONAL SIX FEET IN HIGH, ADDITIONAL 15% IN LOCK COVERAGE.
AND THEN PRINCIPLE WITH PRESENT IN TERMS OF PERMITTED IS OBVIOUSLY TWO MONTHS.
UM, SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL, AND I WILL SAY IN THE CASE REPORT, UM, WE CAN KIND HIGHLIGHT, UM, SOME OF THE GOALS OF OBJECTIVE COMPREHENSIVE CLASSIFY.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN MEETING RESIDENTIAL, HOWEVER WE SAY STRICTLY WITH THEM ZONING AND LAND VIEW.
UM, THERE'S SOME DEFINITE ISSUES, UH, WITH THIS REQUEST, WHICH IS LAWYER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I CALL REQUEST.
REQUEST IF, FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ONE ADVERSE IMPACT THAT I SEE, ONE ADVERSE IMPACT THAT I SEE IS THE POTENTIAL BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY ISSUE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER YARD LOT SPACE OR ADVERSE IMPACTS FROM, NOT IN TERMS OF YARD LOT SPACE, I MEAN, THAT WE SAW OTHER THAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCK COVERAGE HEIGHT, UM, OR LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE, JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW STAFF KIND OF GOT THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SORT OF, AS YOU SAID, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSE SETTING BEING INSERTED OF, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE PD.
WOULD IT MAKE IT A DIFFERENCE TO STAFF IF IT WAS STRAIGHT DONING
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VERSUS A PD IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? UM, UH, I'LL ANSWER THAT PROCEDURALLY.NO, IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SUPPORTIVE PD FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, 7,100 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE LOT, UM, IN AN AREA THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE AREA FOR THE MOST PLACE SEVEN R FIVE A, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG SAVAGE FOR, AND LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE MY QUESTION JUST A MINUTE.
I MAY HAVE NOT PHRASED IT VERY WELL.
SO LET'S ASSUME THIS WORD JUST STRAIGHT R FIVE A AND NOT IN SOME ELSE IN TOWN THAT WAS OWNED R FIVE A, NOT IN A PE WITH THAT, THE IMPACTED STAFF'S ANALYSIS.
NO, ESPECIALLY IN THE PD FIVE, A LOT OF THE, UH, THEY'RE CALLED SUBDISTRICTS WITHIN THE PD, A LOT OF THE SUBDISTRICTS REALLY REFER ENTIRELY OR ALMOST ENTIRELY TO WHAT THAT DISTRICT IS IN BASE CODE.
SO WITH R FIVE A AND D, I THINK THERE'S LIKE ONE DIFFERENCE IN LIKE TERMINATED USES MAYBE.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY SYNONYMOUS WITH POLITICS DISTRICT WOULD BE IN CHAPTER 51 PAGE AND IF THERE WERE NEIGHBOR COULD SUPPORT THAT HAVE CHANGED STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S NEVER SOMETHING THAT INFLUENCES STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
WHAT IF IT WERE IN A CORNER LOT AS OPPOSED TO MID LOT? WOULD THAT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? IT COULD STILL PRESENT THE BLACKFACE CONTINUITY ISSUE.
UM, HOWEVER WE, THIS CASE, UM, UH, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
I WOULD SAY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITHIN PD 5 95, IF YOU'RE AT THE EDGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU'RE PROBABLY NEAR ONE OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES THAT IS ZONE SOME FLAVOR AND COMMERCIAL.
UM, SO THAT MAY CHANGE THINGS.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD STILL PRESENT BLOCK-BASED COMPANY.
AND THEN JUST TO, I MEAN, JUST TO KIND OF SUM IT UP WITH DANNY EXISTING ZONING, OUR, OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS FUNDS DISTRICTS IS JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO INSERT SINGLE DUPLEX WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, AN R BLANK A DISTRICT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO FOR THESE
WE'VE ALSO HAD THIS ISSUE, THIS RECENT REQUEST FOR TH DISTRICT, WHICH IS ANOTHER SORT OF MEDIUM DENSITY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE PROCEDURAL STAFF, UM, OUR ANALYSIS AND STAFF IS CONFINED.
THE BASIS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IS CONFINED SOME WAYS OF ZONING AND LAND USE.
UM, ANYTHING IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY WAS PLAN, AREA PLAN CAN SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF YOU CAN'T BE THE BASIS OF THE RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE REGULATORY FEE, JUST GUIDELINES, UM, SO THAT POTENTIALLY PRESENTS THE ISSUE AS WELL.
SORRY, I THINK I'M ALMOST DONE, BUT YOU, YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO THE BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY ISSUE.
LET'S JUST SET THAT ASIDE FOR THE MOMENT BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A CLEAR, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY HAVE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
IS IT STAFF VIEW UNDER CURRENT CODE THAT SETTING A SITE BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY COULD KEEPS INSERTING A DUPLEX IN A BAR IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK THAT'S FAR IS, IS NOT COMPATIBLE? YEAH, THAT GOES BACK TO ZONING AND LAND USE ONLY.
THERE'S, THERE'S STILL THAT ISSUE THERE THAT ALSO FORMS THE BASIS OF OUR DENIAL.
UM, BECAUSE WE, WE CAN'T REALLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S REALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS AND PLANT USES, WHICH AT DUPLEX DISTRICT, UH, ENTIRELY SINGLE FAMILY AREA.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GRAY AREA THERE, THERE'S SOME SUBJECTIVITY, BUT GENERALLY WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING ZONING BECAUSE THE DUPLEX TEXTURE, EXTRA SINGLE FAMILY PERMANENT.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD THOSE ADVERSE IMPACTS BE? UH, I HAVE LOTS OF OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.
I'LL TRY TO JUST ANSWER THEM AS SNAP.
SO, SO OUR TEAM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE INCREMENTAL, WE'RE CASE BY CASE.
WE DO CONSIDER LARGER, LARGER GOALS AND LARGER ISSUES, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SO IN CASE BY CASE FASHION.
UM, OUR CODE HAS NOT RECEIVED A MAJOR UPDATE SINCE 1987 MM-HMM.
UH, IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT, UM, DEMANDS ON HOUSING AND, AND WHAT KIND OF HOUSING PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN, WHAT KIND OF HOUSING PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.
UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE, SINCE 1987.
UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD COULD'VE, UM, HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH A, WITH A CODE THAT IS KIND OF REINFORCING VALUES AND LEADS AND EVERYTHING FROM, FROM SEVERAL DECADES AGO.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S SORT OF A ATTENTION THERE I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
UH, THE PART ALSO OF, UH, YOUR DENIAL IS THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU SHOWED THE OVERHEAD
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VIEW OF DIFFERENT HOUSING, BUT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION IS, IS REALLY A SHORT STREET ALSO AND THAT IT DOESN'T, AND IT DOES, IT DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT THROUGH.IT'S NOT ON A STRAIGHT THROUGHWAY TOWARDS THE OTHER PARTS CITY.
IT'S A, AND IT HAS ON THE CURB RIGHT AFTER IT GOES TO THE NEXT STREET, BUT IT'S NOT A, UM, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD YOUR OLD GAVE A OVERVIEW, IT WASN'T A STREET THAT WAS PARTICULARLY GONE.
SO THE LINCOLN STREETS OR TRAFFIC, AND WOULD IT BE A HUGE CONCERN, UM, IF THERE WERE TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME FROM MR. NAVARRE? UM, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENT SPRING PANEL ON THIS CASE DURING SECOND.
UM, UH, WELL, THE AFFIDAVIT TO SPEAK, HE DIDN'T GIVE YOU UNDERSTANDING OF THE SIDE.
THINK THE PRIMARY REASON TO REQUEST A NEW BLOOD DISTRICT IS TO, HE HAVE TWO BLOOD SKEWS ON THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN SINGLE REASON OF THE YEAH, WE MUCH, WHATEVER'S INCLUDED THE APPLICATION AND THE LAND USE STATEMENT.
YEAH, I CAN KEEP, FIRST ONE IS THIS, ALTHOUGH I READ THIS AND I READ THE CODE, WE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BLOCK FORM ABOUT SESSION.
I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
DO YOU NEED THE INTENT OF THE CODE WAS TO SAY THAT IF YOU PUT UP ONE BUILDING THAT HAS 25 SETBACKS, IT IS MEANT TO CAUSE ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE BLOCK TO BE DONE CONFORMING, BECAUSE THAT WOULD SEEM A LITTLE D BECAUSE MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE ON THE CORNER, I'LL JUST USE AN EXAMPLE.
IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE LIGHT OFFICE SOMETHING, I DUNNO HOW WE PUTTING SOMETHING THERE.
ANYBODY HAVE A 25 FOOT? THE IDEA WE HAVE CODE WAS PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE THE REST OF THE LOTS NONCONFORMING JUST DOESN'T BRING TRUE TO ME.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU A SHORT ANSWER.
I HAVE A LONGER ANSWER TO THE, THAT I'M USING YOUR QUESTIONS JUST EXPOUND ON SOMETHING.
BUT, UH, THE SHORT ANSWER IS, UH, I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THAT BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT IS, UM, TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY USES AND DISTRICTS.
UM, SO LET'S SAY THERE IS A, SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF DISTRICT THAT HAS LESS OF A FRONT YARD THAN, UM, OTHER SINGLE FAMILY NEEDS MOVE ALONG A BLOCK PHASE.
UM, I BELIEVE THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SORT OF NON-CONFORMING VIEW USE FOR NOT MIXING RIGHT, IN TERMS OF VISUALLY THE, THE, UH, I GUESS THE INTEGRITY, NOT THE DISCONTINUE WITH ENEMIES.
UM, THE LONGER ANSWER KIND OF GOES BACK TO MY OTHER EX FOUNDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT OUR CODE WAS LAST MAJOR WE UPDATED IN 1987.
UM, IT'S REALLY LEFT OVER FROM A TIME THAT EXTENDS PROBABLY BACK TO LIKE THIS CENTURY 1960S, UH, BEFORE PERIOD, UM, WHERE THE INTENT AND DESIRE OF ZONING WAS TO SEPARATE OUT MORE USES AND PROTECT USES WITHIN THOSE SEPARATE AREAS.
UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING AT THE TOP OF THAT PRIORITY LIST.
UM, AND I THINK OUR PROPOSED STILL REINFORC THE LOT OF, A LOT OF VALUES THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETECTIONS ARE BEING, THE USE THAT NEEDS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT USE IS THE USE THAT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED THE MOST.
UM, THERE'S FURTHER, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EXPECTATIONS WHY THOSE STORIES WERE MADE ALL THOSE DECADES AGO BECAUSE, UM, PLANNING IS REALLY HUNDREDS OR 19 HUNDREDS WHEN URBAN AREAS WERE SUPER CROWDED, SUPER OVERCROWDED IN A REALLY POOR PUBLIC HEALTH CONDITION, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, COMING OUT OF THAT TIME THAT THIS WAS TO SEPARATE OUT FOLKS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND ERADICATE SOME OF THE, THERE'S GOOD AND BAD THINGS THAT, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S THE VALUES THAT WERE BEING REINFORCED AT THAT TIME OF THE CODE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WERE SIMILAR NOW OF 2022.
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KNOW, MAYBE IT'S TO LOOK AT, WELL, SOMETHING TO THAT IS A FOLLOW UP, WHICH, AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU DO THIS.SO WOULDN'T YOU SAY THOUGH THAT HISTORICALLY ONE DIFFERENCE IN DUPLEXES I TALKED ABOUT HISTORICALLY AND SINGLE MAINLY, MOSTLY DUPLEXES FROM OFTEN ALREADY OUT ONE TIME, SO IT WAS CONSIDERED MORE OF A COMMERCIAL CITY COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIVE THE OTHER AND THEREFORE THEY LOOKED IN ON THE PERIPHERIES AREAS HISTORICALLY.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, MORE OR LESS.
SO, AND MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT AND ALMOST THROUGH, UH, IS THIS, UH, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE FACT THAT THIS HAS SINGLE FAMILY ON FOUR SIDES, AS YOU CALL THIS A DUPLEX DISTRICT, A ONE LOT, HOW DO YOU CALL ONE MONTH A DISTRICT FOR ONE? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT SORT OF A, NOT C WELL, IT'S PLANNING TERMINOLOGY, BUT YEAH, YOU RING A GOOD ONE.
BUT YOU USE THE WORD DISTRICT.
THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR AN ENTIRE AREA THAT SAYS SPOTS.
COMMISSION JUST WANTED, OKAY, SO THAT SENSE, YEAH, THAT'S USE THAT EXCUSE ONLY A COURT EXCUSE TAKING AWAY THE DONATIONS.
SO WE'RE TALKING SET BLOCK IS CONTINUING TALKS ABOUT THE SETBACK OF WHERE THE BUILDING IS DETAILED.
SO, OKAY, BECAUSE YOU SAID WHEN THE BUILDING IS BUILT, BUT THAT'S, YOU CAN PUT IT WAY IN THE BACK, BUT IT AFFECT THE OTHERS.
BUT WHAT AFFECTS THE OTHERS IS THAT IMAGINARY LINE COMMISSION HERBER.
UM, SO THE CONTINU LINE, THE BLOCK FACE COMING FROM PARK AREA, THE WAY THAT WE BUILT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT, SUPPOSED TO WALK OUT YOUR PORTION SO THAT THE WHITE BE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, UM, SOMETIMES DISTANT, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOK AROUND ON THE PORCH TO GET TO ANOTHER PORCH.
AND THAT'S WHAT I ENVISION FOR THIS AREA.
AND THEY TICKET, THAT'S WHAT I SEE IN PORTUGAL CLIFF, UM, THAT NEIGHBORLY FEEL WHERE YOU COME OUT TO YOUR PORCH AND YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, HAVING A, HAVE A NEIGHBOR COMING FROM NEW ORLEANS WHERE SINGLE FAMILY ARE ALL NEXT TO DUPLEXES A LOT, UM, WE WALKED OUT ON OUR PORCHES STILL, I'M STILL ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
SO HOW CAN WE AFFECT IS ONLY MAYBE THREE PEOPLE.
I, I READ THREE PEOPLE THAT CHANGED POLICY, BUT UM, HOW CAN WE EFFECTIVELY SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN PUT A SINGLE LOT THERE, BUT IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS THAT IMAGINARY THAT'S TRYING THAT, UH, BLOCK FACE COMPANY ARE WIND INSTEAD THAT ALL OF THOSE PHONES ARE IMPACT THE SAME PLACE.
UM, R FIVE A IS THE, UH, SINGLE PEN WE HAVE WITH THE SMALLEST SLOT SIZE, WHICH IS, THIS IS FIVE.
IT'S PROBABLY THINK A DIFFERENT, THE SMALLEST SINGLE SIZE WE HAVE STILL FIVE S SQUARE VENUS, SO THAT'S PRETTY BIG.
UM, IF THIS WAS ON A BLOCK FACE THAT WAS ZONED R 75, UM, THE FRONT SETBACK THERE IS 25 FEET, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE.
SO IT'S KIND OF A, A WEIRD LITTLE, LITTLE PER BUFFER I GUESS, CODE THAT, UM, IS AS I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS IN THE BLOCK FACE BUTTON BE NOT GOING TO BE.
SO WITH THAT IT SAID THAT THE APPLICANT COULDN'T JUST ADDRESS PEOPLE BUILDING IN'T ADDRESS THE SINGLE FAMILY 20 FOOT.
IS IT REQUIRED THAT HE DOES 25? SO BECAUSE THIS IS A GENERAL CHANGE TO A BASE, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY DEVIATIONS TO WHAT, LIKE COMMISSIONER, MAYBE YOU HAVE TO DO ED OR SOMETHING IN ORDER TO CUSTOMIZE.
UM, IN, IN MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION, PAT THAT, DID YOU ALSO CONSIDER THE STATE, UH, HISTORY AREA PLAN AND, AND AND, AND WHAT THE VISION WAS FOR THAT AREA ALSO? SO JUST THE PD 5 95, WHICH WE, WHICH IS IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, THAT ALSO HAS HAD EXTENSIVE A TWO YEAR AREA PLAN, A TWO YEAR AREA PLAN, BUT, UM, SHE COULD SET UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT DID YOU INCLUDE THAT THAT AREA HAD A PLAIN ALSO
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INSIDE AND THAT THAT AREA WAS HISTORICALLY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AREA? RIGHT.SO I, AGAIN, I WILL JUST, THERE WAS BEHIND THAT, UM, AREAS BASIS OF A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THEY CAN'T SUPPORT IT.
UM, IN THIS CASE, YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR ENGINEERING PLAN.
I, I RECOMMEND IT'S A PRETTY GOOD PLAN, UM, SAYING MAKING SURE SOMETHING'S GOING ON WITH AND ALSO, UM, SORRY, I DID, DID DID YOU ALL, SO IN, IN THE PROCESS OF ACTING FOR THIS, UH, DESIGN CHANGE, YOU ALL DID NOT REQUIRE FOR THEM TO SUBMIT ANY, UM, UM, ANY PLANS? NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED OF THE GENERALISM MAY CHANGE.
UM, WHY WOULD THEY BE IF, CAUSE OF THE TYPE OF DEFECT IN THE WAY THAT THE GENERALISM MAY CHANGE IS TO CONSIDER IF A BASIS CODE EVIDENCE OF, OF ANY CHANGE WITH DEVIATION, THIS MEETING STANDARD THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR, UM, SO THERE WOULDN BE ANY NEED TO SUBMIT SOME SORT OF HIGHPOINT MR. DISTRICT APPROPRIATE.
WE WOULDN'T REALLY NEED TO SEE A PLAN UNLESS WE REQUEST FOR S P OR SO, WHATEVER.
SO WE BE SO Z THE BE ABLE TO EVEN SEE ANY TYPE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE POSSIBILITY.
WE DO HAVE APPLICANTS THAT ELEVATION PLANS AND RENDERINGS AND THINGS, UM, FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT THEY'RE JUST OBJECTION.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TIED TO A REQUEST IN THE SAME WAY.
THEY CAN BE THE PD OR, BUT WE COULDN'T SUBMIT THEIR YES, THEY, THEY, YEAH, THEY CAN BE CHAIR DISTRIBUTED TO COMMISSION.
BE SURE THE PUBLIC THEY CAN BE STAFFED.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE CASE IS APPROVED, JANE IS UNDER THAT PROBABLY THE PLAN.
UH, IF YOU DO WANT TO SHARE THEM, THE SCENE TO FIRST CIRCULATE.
UM, AND THEN BACK TO THE HATCH STATION AREA PLAYING.
UM, THIS IS THE LAND USE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT HAS NO REGULATORY TEAM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE REMAINS PART OF THIS PLAN.
I, I THINK WE'RE DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE, UM, OFF OF SECTION AVENUE DOESN'T MEETING AS RE OKAY.
WHICH THAT LAND, WENDY STARTED THIS CONCEPT PRIMARILY FOR HAVE HERE, UH, YOU GO RIGHT BACK, THE WHOLE, WE'LL PICK THAT RIGHT BACK UP.
WHEN LEFT OFF, WE'LL GET OFF THE RECORD AND WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK.
UM, SO THIS ONE WAS REALLY, HE TRIED TO FOCUS, THESE ARE JUST THE UPDATES ARE THE QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED AND OUR ANSWERS TO THEM.
AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT WENT PRETTY WELL.
SO STAFF HAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF GOK.
AND WE KIND PULLED OUT
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LIKE I'LL BE WORDY AND LIKE TRY TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING FULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, COMPLETELY ABOUT STAFF REPORTS.AND THEN IN MY BRIEFING IT'S LIKE THE BARE METAPHOR.
LIKE, DO YOU HEAR THE HIGH QUESTION? CAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PARTY YOU, THEY'RE GONNA READ COMMISSIONERS.
UH, FY FOR STAFF, THERE'S A LIVE MICROPHONE SOMEWHERE.
OTHER PEOPLE WE'RE HEARING SOME, SOME STUFF ONLINE AND THEY'LL MAINLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL ALL KIND OF COME OUT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THEIR HOMEWORK, BUT LAURIE WENT OVER IT ALL.
MS. MAYE, WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU INTERRUPT MS. PASINA, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH A ORAL CALL? YES, SIR.
DISTRICT ONE, ABSENT DISTRICT TWO PRESENT.
PRESENT DISTRICT FOUR? WE ARE HERE.
DISTRICT FIVE, PRESENT DISTRICT SIX.
PRESENT DISTRICT SEVEN, PRESENT.
DISTRICT EIGHT, PRESENT DISTRICT NINE.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
IT IS 12:52 PM WELCOME TO, UH, THE DOW CITY PLAIN COMMISSION.
UH, WE'RE GONNA START RIGHT BACK OFF WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON THE BRIEFING, BUT BEFORE WE DO A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES AS EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES ON CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
UM, I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO, UH, BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, MS. PASINA WILL KEEP TIME.
SHE WOULD LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR TIME IS UP.
WE WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
I WILL JUST PLEASE, UH, LET OUR FOLKS ONLINE KNOW THAT YOU, UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA'S ON.
AND THEN AFTER YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO STAY ONLINE AS THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
UH, FOR OUR VISITORS HERE WITH US TODAY, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE, AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
PLEASE MAKE SURE AT SOME POINT TODAY TO COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THESE, YOU CAN JUST LEAVE 'EM RIGHT THERE ON THE, ON THE TABLE.
WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
UH, LASTLY, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE, THE BRIEFING OF THE PLANE COMMISSION IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
UH, WE ARE GOING BACK TO WHERE WE, WE USED TO BRIEF BEFORE COVID, WHICH IS IN THE BRIEFING ROOM IN THE BACK.
YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME BACK THERE, UH, MOVING FORWARD DURING THE BRIEFING.
UH, IT IS A TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO STAFF.
WE DON'T TAKE PUBLIC INPUT AT THAT POINT, BUT THEY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK WITH THAT.
WE'LL GO BACK TO, UH, MR. MULKEY, WE HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ON, ON, UH, THE CASE IN D SIX.
SEVEN, UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY HAD, UH, A QUESTION.
MY QUESTION IS, SINCE WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING THE SETBACK ISSUE WITH THE ZONING AROUND THIS REQUEST BEING A 20 FOOT SETBACK AND THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST BEING FOR A 25 SETBACK, I JUST WANTED TO ASK STAFF, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A 20 FOOT SETBACK OR IS THAT, WAS THAT NOT PART OF THE EQUATION? BECAUSE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT IS 25? YEAH, SO FOR A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE REQUEST LIKE THIS, IT WOULD JUST BE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT AS IT'S CODIFIED IN CHAPTER 51 A, WE COULDN'T MODIFY, UM, THAT SETBACK.
AND SO AS PART OF OUR DECISION, CAN WE NOT ADD SORT OF A RESTRICTION THAT IT COULD ONLY BE 20 FEET BACK? OR IS THAT NOT PERMISSIBLE BECAUSE IT IS JUST A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE? YOU COULD, UM, WELL, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, GIVING THEMSELVES A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
HOWEVER, THAT WOULD NOT GET AROUND THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUE, I BELIEVE, CUZ IT, THE BASE DISTRICT WOULD STILL BE DUPLEX.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, THEY, IF AN APPLICANT DECIDED TO DEEDS RESTRICT IT, THEY COULD PUSH IT FURTHER BACK.
BUT THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUE WOULD STILL EXIST BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SETBACK, THE INVISIBLE LINE THAT EXISTS FOR THE DUPLEX DISTRICTS.
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THAT.SO, AND THE APPLICANT COULD CHOOSE TO DEEDS RESTRICT IT TO MAKE IT SO THAT WHATEVER THEY DECIDE, WHATEVER DUPLEX THEY DECIDE TO BUILD IS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE R FIVE A SETBACK.
BUT BECAUSE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT HAS A SMALLER SETBACK, THAT SETBACK WOULD GOVERN THE REST OF THE BLOCK.
YEAH, SO, SO, SO, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE A WAY THAT, UM, AN APPLICANT CAN VOLUNTEER ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT BASE CODE WOULD REQUIRE.
HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT CHANGE, UM, THE EFFECT OF THAT BASE DISTRICT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
BA BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU CAN'T USE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO GET AROUND A BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, THAT REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD APPLY OTHERWISE.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU COULD DEED RESTRICT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT BECAUSE THE GENERAL ZONING IS 25, THEN NOW THAT 25 WOULD APPLY TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES, EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY AGREED TO DEED RESTRICTIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU MR. MULKEY.
UH, JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.
I HAVEN'T LOGGED IN AND I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN IF YOU, I JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO MY PRESENTATION IS THE THING.
CAN I USE THAT RIGHT HERE? HE'S GONNA BRING ME HIS
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GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.UM, CASE NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 23 DASH 1 0 7.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF EAST EAST BOULEVARD BETWEEN KELLOGG AVENUE AND SUNNYVALE STREET.
PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 20.8 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED IN DISTRICT FOUR, UH, SHOWING YOU AN AERIAL MAP.
UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE SCHOOL SITE IS OUTLINED IN BLUE, PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY SURROUNDING.
HOWEVER, UM, THERE IS, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ISOLATED MULTI-FAMILY TWO A DISTRICTS, UH, TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHURCHES IN THE AREA.
THERE'S A LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET WITHIN A PD.
UM, AND THERE IS ANOTHER PUBLIC SCHOOL TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE, UM, DOWN EAST KEYS BOULEVARD.
SO THIS LITTLE STRIP RIGHT HERE OF PD 6 71, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A PUBLIC LIBRARY ACROSS EAST KEYS BOULEVARD AND ONE OF THE, UH, UNDEVELOPED MULTI-FAMILY TWO A PROPERTIES IS ADJACENT TO THAT.
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ALSO A, A LARGE UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY TO THE EAST.AND THEN ALSO A LARGE SURFACE PARKING LOT THAT SERVES THE PUBLIC LIBRARY.
THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS ARE MAINLY R 75 A.
HOWEVER, TO THE SOUTH THERE IS AN R FIVE A DISTRICT, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE SUBJECT SITE.
UH, THE SCHOOL THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY IS OOW HOMES ACADEMY.
IT'S I BELIEVE A HUMANITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS ACADEMY.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW SCHOOL, UM, WHICH WILL BE, UH, RENAMED JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.
AND THEN THEY WILL DEMOLISH THE EXISTING SCHOOL.
UM, AND, UH, THE ATHLETIC FIELDS FOR THAT NEW SCHOOL WILL BE BASICALLY IN THE GENERAL AREA WHERE THE CURRENT SCHOOL IS LOCATED.
UM, THIS IS, UH, JUST A REPEAT OF SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE CASE REPORT.
UM, THE CHART SHOWING YOU THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE R FIVE A DISTRICT AND THEN SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROPOSED SCHOOL USE AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UM, THERE ISN'T A GREAT DEAL OF CHANGE IN TERMS OF, UH, SETBACKS.
UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER DISTRICTS ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK WITH THIS SCHOOL.
UM, BUT THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE SIDE YARDS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTION IN TERMS OF, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK CONTINUITY THAT WOULD NORMALLY APPLY.
I'M JUST GONNA TAKE YOU AROUND THE SITE.
THIS IS, UH, THE SITE FROM EAST KEITH BOULEVARD, UM, LOOKING EAST.
AND THEN I'M GONNA WORK MY WAY AROUND COUNTERCLOCKWISE.
UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING, UH, ENTRY DRIVE WHERE THE SERVICE AREA IS.
THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS WHERE, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE ATHLETIC FIELDS ON THE PROPERTY, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, FOOTBALL.
UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA WORK MY WAY, LIKE I SAID, CLOCK COUNTERCLOCKWISE, START TO SEE SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I WAS, UH, REFERRING TO THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY A SIDE YARD THAT'S FACING ON EAST KEYS BOULEVARD.
AND THEN THIS IS THE SAME SINGLE FAMILY, UH, LOT FROM THE, THE FRONT LOOKING AT THE, UH, UNDEVELOPED MULTI-FAMILY TWO A ACROSS EAST KEITH BOULEVARD.
YOU CAN SEE THE LIBRARY IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE EXISTING, UH, MAIN ENTRY OF THE, OF THE SCHOOL.
UM, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY BACK BEHIND IN THE R FIVE A, SEE THE UNDEVELOPED MULTI-FAMILY LOT TO THE RIGHT AND THE LIBRARY TO THE LEFT.
AND THEN LOOKING AT THE LIBRARY, UH, WORKING AWAY DOWN THE OTHER SIDE OF, OR THE OTHER END OF EAST KEYS BOULEVARD.
THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF THE CAMPUS.
THIS IS THE LARGE SURFACE LOT THAT SERVES THE PUBLIC LIBRARY.
ANOTHER, ANOTHER UNDEVELOPED, UH, PORTION OF PROPERTY ACROSS FROM THE SITE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, ELECTRICAL TOWER.
THIS IS ACTUALLY, THERE'S A, A UTILITY EASEMENT, A ENCORE PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE CAMPUS SITE LOOKING TOWARDS, UH, SUNNYVALE STREET.
AND THEN THIS IS, THIS IS THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET AS THE CAMPUS.
THE CAMPUS IS ON THE LEFT OF THIS PHOTO, THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE RIGHT.
AND THEN THIS IS THE UTILITY EASEMENT, THE ENCORE PROPERTY THAT RUNS THROUGH, THERE'S A PUBLIC PATHWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.
THEN LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE CAMPUS, THIS IS A LOCATION OF THE, UH, EXISTING ATHLETIC FIELDS.
THEY'RE KIND OF HARD TO SEE BEHIND THE PARKING THERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME ATHLETIC FIELDS THERE.
AND THEN LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE CAMPUS, AGAIN, THE OTHER EXISTING CURB CUT AND THEN THE EXISTING ENTRY, BASICALLY RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THE LIBRARY IS.
SO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN CAN SEE, UH, THE CAMPUS OR THE, THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE BUILT ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, STUDENTS WILL CONTINUE TO ATTEND CLASSES IN THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND THEN WHEN THEY MOVED TO THE NEW CAMPUS OR TO THE NEW BUILDING, UM, THAT EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE DEMOLISHED.
AND THEN THEY WILL DEVELOP THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
AND THE PARKING THAT YOU SEE HERE.
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UM, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE HARD TO SEE, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF, I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS OUT VERY WELL, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE IT A TRY.YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS SHOWING OVER HERE ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN BLUE IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW CAMPUS OVER TO THE EAST AND SOME PAVING HERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THE FRONT AND THE EAST SIDE.
AND THEN ATHLETIC FIELDS WHERE THE EXISTING CAMPUS IS.
UH, SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXISTING, UH, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS FOR THE, THE EXISTING SCHOOL.
UM, AND, AND AS I MENTIONED IN THE CASE REPORT, UH, PREDOMINANTLY RIGHT NOW THE QUEUING AND STUDENT DROP OFF AND PICK UP OCCUR ON THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.
BOTH SIDES OF EAST EAST BOULEVARD APPARENTLY GET PRETTY BACKED UP.
UM, THERE IS SOME STUDENT DROP OFF AND PICK UP THAT HAPPENS IN THE LIBRARY LOT ACROSS THE WAY.
AND THEN IN SOME OF THE, THE SIDE STREETS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ALSO, UM, COLLECTS SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC AND PARKING DURING THE, THE PEAK TIMES FOR DROP OFF AND PICKUP.
SO THIS IS EXISTING CONDITION.
UM, UM, BUT WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALL OF THE QUEUING IS PROPOSED TO BE TAKING PLACE ON THE, UH, SCHOOL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, NOT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, AND IT IS SPECIFIED ALSO THAT THE, THE, THE, THERE'S NO QUEUING, THERE'S NO PARKING, THERE'S NO DROP OFF AND PICKUP ON THE RIGHTS OF WAY OR AT THE, UH, SURFACE LOT FOR THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET.
SO EVERYTHING IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE CAMPUS.
UM, AND I HAVE THIS JUST FOR REFERENCE IN CASE WE NEED IT, BUT THIS IS, THERE'S AN APPENDIX TO THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THIS IS IN THE CASE REPORT AS WELL, UM, SHOWING SOME SIGNAGE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED, BUT THIS IS REALLY GONNA GET WORKED OUT MORE AT PERMITTING AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND CONDITIONS AS SHOWN IN THE DOCKET.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY QUESTIONS.
I LOVE THAT THE QUEUING CAN HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY.
THAT IS IDEAL WHENEVER IT CAN BE MADE TO HAPPEN.
SO I DID, DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC LOT BASICALLY ACROSS IN CONNECTION WITH THE LIBRARY.
SO MY QUESTION IS GONNA RELATE TO PARKING MM-HMM.
SO I READ IN THE REPORT THAT 105 SPACES ARE REQUIRED, BUT 183 ARE PROPOSED.
SO CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY ALL THIS PARKING IS NEEDED, ESPECIALLY GIVEN YOU'VE GOT OVERFLOW ACROSS THE STREET? SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, CUZ STAFF ASKED THIS EXACT QUESTION, AND IT IS, YOU'LL NOTICE IN THAT SECTION OF THE CASE REPORT THAT THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY AREA WHERE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE LESS PAVEMENT AND POSSIBLY SHARING OF THE, THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE REASON FOR THE OVERFLOW PARKING HAS TO DO WITH SPECIAL EVENT PARKING.
UM, BUT SO, BUT STAFF WOULD AGAIN RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK INTO A SHARING AGREEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REQUIRE, UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY WOULD RECOMMEND.
UM, AND WE ALSO, UH, WE ALSO ASK THEM TO LOOK INTO OTHER WAYS OF REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT SUCH AS POSSIBLY USING, UM, COMPACT SPACES OR AN ALTERNATE TYPE OF PAVEMENT THAT WOULD BE PERMEABLE.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SPACES ARE AT THE LIBRARY? I DON'T, I DIDN'T COUNT, BUT IT'S A MASSIVE LOT.
UM, I, I DON'T, I CAN LOOK THAT UP, UH, THAT QUICKLY.
ANYONE CAN PARK THERE, RIGHT? UH, I I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT EXACTLY.
I MEAN, I, IT'S A PUBLIC LIBRARY.
UM, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DEFER TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THAT.
I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU CAN PARK THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD RELY ON IT FOR YOUR OVERFLOW PARKING AS A RULE WITHOUT GOING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND ALSO A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UH, COMMISSIONER STANDARD, LET ME, I I DO WANNA ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE PARKING.
WOULDN'T YOU THINK THAT OKAY, I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE THE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY SPORTS ORIENTED SCHOOL.
UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A BASEBALL FIELD, A SOCCER FIELD, AND ARE PLANNING FOR A FOOTBALL FIELD.
SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE PUT A LOT INTO HAVING THREE FIELDS AT A SCHOOL.
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AND ISN'T THE LIBRARY A ACROSS KEITH BOULEVARD? IT IT IS.SO ISN'T THAT A VERY BIG THOROUGHFARE? HOW WOULD SOMEONE, MY FEELING IS THIS, AND TELL ME IF I'M CORRECT OR NOT.
IF YOU'RE COMING TO SEE YOUR KIDS, AND ONE THING YOU HAVE TO THINK IS THE FUNCTIONALITY I WANT TO DRIVE TO THE SCHOOL, THERE MIGHT BE SIMULTANEOUSLY A BASEBALL, A SOCCER, A FOOTBALL PRACTICE GOING ON.
PARENTS GO TO THIS, I CAN'T IMAGINE.
I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO STOP MM-HMM.
BUT WHAT IS THE, THE REALIST OF PARKING ACROSS EAST AND HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE SAFELY GONNA GET ACROSS WITHOUT WALKING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SO AND SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FORMALLY.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO TO SEE IF IT IS FEASIBLE.
UM, IT'S A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROAD.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT A LOT OF KIDS TO BE RUNNING ACROSS REGULARLY.
HOWEVER, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL CAMPUS, NOT A HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS.
SO I THINK THE CROWDS ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT.
IF THERE IS A WAY THAT THEY COULD LOOK INTO, UH, SHARING PARKING WITH SURROUNDING, UH, USES AND THEY CAN REDUCE THE PAVEMENT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
IF THEY CAN'T FEASIBLY DO IT, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING TO, YOU KNOW, NOT APPROVE THE CASE OR CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION IN ANY WAY.
AND WHAT IS THE POPULATION OF THIS SCHOOL? THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS? I APPROXIMATELY 800.
SO WITH 8 33, WOULD IT SEEM UNREASONABLE TO HAVE 80 EXTRA SPACES POTENTIALLY FOR COMING TO SPORTS THINGS BY PARENTS? I MEAN, WOULD YOU THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE AT A SCHOOL? UH, WE ASKED, WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLY REDUCING THE PARKING AND THE PAVING IF THEY CAN.
IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN THAT CERTAINLY AT THEIR DISCRETION.
BUT YOU DO AGREE THAT SCHOOLS DO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS, IN FACT, NOT EVEN JUST THAT THEY'VE GOT MUSIC EVENTS, THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF THINGS GOING ON AT A MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT PARENTS DO COME TO ATTEND? POSSIBLY.
VERY, VERY, DO I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID? I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EVENTS, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT THE, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA KNOW THAT BEST.
IF IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE ARE JUST ASKING IF THERE'S A WAY TO REDUCE THE PAPER.
SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GIVE LEEWAY TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS, DON'T YOU, JENNIFER
I THINK WE NEED TO STICK TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WE HAVE AT HAND.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD.
YOU'RE GOT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AHEAD OF ME AGAIN.
YOU'RE NOW APPARENTLY ARE SHARING NOTES TODAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOLLOWED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HARBERT.
GOOD MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON? THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, I KNOW I'M A I'M GONNA BE WRONG.
THIS I LOVE THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO MY QUE
SO MY, MY QUESTION IS IN, UM, ALIGN THE LONGS ALONG THE LINES OF PARKING AND PARKING, WHEN YOU SAID, IF I, IF I'M CORRECT, YOU, YOU GUYS DID ASK THAT THEY CONSIDERED COMPACT PARKING.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CITY, UM, WE LIKE BIG CARS, THE BIGGER, THE BIGGER.
IS IT WRONG THAT I HAVE A SONG PLAYING IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW?
SO, UM, ARE YOU AWARE IF YOU REDUCE OR IF YOU REQUIRE COMPACT PARKING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS LOSING PARKING? BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS PARK OUR CAR IN TWO SPOTS.
ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? SO, SO, SO I'LL THE, THE QUESTION AT HAND, UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRING COMPACT PARKING.
WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING THAT THEY, AND IT'S, IT'S LOOK FOR WAYS TO REDUCE THE PAVING.
AND THOSE ARE SUCH AS EXAMPLES.
SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REMINDER THAT THE CODE DOES ALLOW UP TO 35% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING TO BE COMPACT SPACES.
THERE IS A SURFACE LOT ACROSS THE WAY.
CAN YOU LOOK INTO SHARING, UH, CAN YOU LOOK AT ALTERNATE PAVEMENT
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MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE PERMEABLE? JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.AND AGAIN, THIS IS SIMPLY AN ASK IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE NONPERMEABLE SURFACE.
AND IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, STAFF IS, IS WHOLEHEARTEDLY RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS IS WITH THAT SIMPLE ASK.
SO, SO YOU'RE, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, JUST SO THAT I GET IT RIGHT, IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY REDUCTION IN PARKING, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES.
YOU'RE ONLY ASK, YOU ARE ONLY MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY CONSIDER SOME ALTERNATIVES, BUT IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
SO REMEMBER, I'LL TAKE A MINUTE TO PLUG THE PARKING THING.
STAFF WOULD ALWAYS LOVE A REDUCTION IN PARKING, BUT, BUT IT'S MINIMUMS THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT AN A THAT A, THE DEVELOPER CAN'T PROVIDE MORE BASED ON WHAT THEY KNOW THE NEEDS OF THE SITE TO BE.
AND SO IF THIS IS A TIME WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THEY NEED MORE BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS.
AND I THINK ALSO, UM, THIS WAS A COMMUNITY ASK THAT WE WANT CARS OFF THE STREET.
WE WANT CARS OUT OF THE
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.
AND SO I THINK THAT THEY WERE BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND ASKS.
SO IF THEY KNOW THEY NEED MORE, WE, WE SUPPORT THIS AS IS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WILLER.
AND ALSO, DOESN'T THIS SCHOOL, UM, SIT IN MORE THAN ONE THIRD OR FOUR? IS HIS AT, AT BOTH, UM, KEYS AND AT ILLINOIS? OR IS IT A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN IN ILLINOIS? UH, ILLINOIS IS, IS FURTHER DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.
THEN THERE'S SOME, THERE'S UH, SUNNYVALE STREET AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THEN YOU GET TO EAST ILLINOIS.
THOSE ARE SIX LANES THAT WE HAVE TO CROSS.
UM, AND OFTEN I, I, I LIVED IN THAT AREA FOR A LONG TIME, STILL OWN THE HOME.
MY MOTHER LIVES IN THAT AREA AND WE DO EXPERIENCE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S TIME TO VOTE.
UM, A LOT OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ALREADY STARTED THIS TRANSITION PLAN.
SO SCHOOLS HAVE CLOSED, STUDENTS HAVE MOVED ON, VOTING SITES HAVE CLOSED.
AND JUST RECENTLY, HOLMES WAS A VOTING SITE AND THE LIBRARY WAS A VOTING SITE AND WE LITERALLY WERE CHASING EACH OTHER'S TAILS.
UM, QUESTION, DO WE, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, UM, THIS SCHOOL WILL SERVE? UH, THE NEW SCHOOL? I'M SORRY, NOT THE, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, OR COMMENT, THE PARKING LOT AT PAUL DUNBAR, DID YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THOSE CAR LOT, THOSE PARKING SPOTS? THEY'RE PRETTY COMPACT.
UM, LAST QUESTION IN CLARITY STATEMENT IS THAT LIBRARY IS THE ONLY ONE FOR SEVERAL MILES AND IT SERVES A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND IT GETS CROWDED AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR.
SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THOSE NOTES OUT THERE.
I'M NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT YEAH, THAT, UH, USING RECENTLY WE WERE USING THE SCHOOLS PARKING LOT TO PARK TO VOTE ACROSS THE STREET AT THE LIBRARY.
SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO PUT THOSE ITEMS OUT THERE THAT, AND HOPE THAT WE DO MORE HOMEWORK ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT COMMUNITY, UM, WHEN WE PRESENT.
BUT THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE, UH, NUMBER MAGNITUDE OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS ON THIS, UM, PARTICULAR SITE, BECAUSE THIS IS FAR MORE THAN A TYPICAL MIDDLE, MIDDLE SCHOOL USUALLY HAS.
DO WE KNOW, UM, IS D I S D PLANNING TO USE THIS AS A, SOME SORT OF LIKE REGIONAL OR AREA, UM, ATHLETIC FACILITY? THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
WELL MY QUESTION THEN, I HA GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CASES WE HAVE HAD IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON C P C WHERE WE, WHERE ATHLETIC FIELDS PRESENT ISSUES TO NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE, UH, NEIGHBORS HERE TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTHWEST WITH A 10 FOOT SEPARATION, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY CONDITIONS WHATSOEVER IN THE S U P CONDITIONS ABOUT BALL FIELDS, YOU KNOW, HOURS, DAYS, UH, IT HAS, THEY HAVE DIGITAL SCOREBOARDS.
THERE'S NOT MUCH SEPARATE, IT LOOKS LIKE A FOUR FOOT CHAIN OF FENCE PRESS BOX, IT LOOKS LIKE PRETTY INTENSIVE ATHLETIC ACTIVITY.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A 20 FOOT SEPARATION JUST TO SAY.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOOTBALL FIELD.
SO WE DID DISCUSS, UM, AMPLIFIED MUSIC, WHAT REACTIONS THEY GOT FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THEIR RE IN THEIR, UM, OUTREACH.
UM, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONCERNS EXPRESSED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I, I'LL ALLOW THEM TO GO INTO THAT MORE.
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UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UH, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, SOME RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF TIMES AND UH, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE RELATED TO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, THESE THINGS COULD BE, UH, ADDED AS A CONDITION.I DON'T SEE LIGHTS ON THIS PLAN.
IF LIGHTS WERE WANTED DOWN THE ROAD, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THEY COULD DO BY RIGHT.
OR WOULD LIGHTS HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AS A, SOME KIND OF A, A NEW ZONING CHANGE OR AN AMENDMENT? SO, UM, I DID ASK IF THEY WERE PROPOSING ANY LIGHTS AT THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
UM, SINCE THAT LIGHTING IS NOT REQUIRED LIGHTING, SAY FOR A PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, TECHNICALLY THEY NEED TO COME BACK HERE AND, AND ADD THAT TO THE SITE PLAN.
UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD MAKE THEM COME BACK FOR THAT OR NOT? I CAN'T, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FOR THEM.
ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS ABOUT PROCEDURE CUZ YOU SAID YOU SUGGESTED ABOUT THE PERMEABLE SURFACE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING CODIFIED ON THAT.
BUT ARE WE ABLE IN THIS TO REQUIRE A PERCENTAGE OF PERMEABLE SURFACE ON THE PARKING? UH, YOU, YOU COULD PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN SOME PARKING LOTS WHAT THEY DO IS PUT A PROPORTION, AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT ON THE, ISN'T THAT CORRECT ON THE FRONT PART OF IT? THAT PART OF IT WILL BE SEAMEN IN PART MORE PERMEABLE TO ABSORB THE WATER.
HAVE YOU SEEN THAT BEFORE? I MEAN, YES.
UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITS PUT IN AT THIS POINT, BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD.
WELL I'M THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT IS A QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING IS IT POSSIBLE.
ANY RATE, I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.
SO I THINK, I THINK I WOULD JUST SAY, UM, THAT WE, WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF UM, ALTERNATE PAVING MATERIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'VE LOOKED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SINCE THEN AND CAN ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU.
AND A AS YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH I LOVE D I S D AND I'M THEIR BIGGEST ADVOCATE, ON THE OTHER HAND, I ALWAYS THINK IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN, THEY HAVE TO DO IT AS OPPOSED TO OPTIONAL.
MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT LIGHTING CUZ I'M ALSO A PERSON THAT BELIEVES IN THAT WE'RE NOT ANYMORE IN 30 FOOT LIGHTS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY BE REQUIRING SOME NOT SO HIGHLIGHTING THAT DOESN'T, PARTICULARLY ON THAT WEST SIDE, THAT IS RIGHT BY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE FIELDS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME LIGHTING JUST FOR SECURITY OUT THERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT LIGHTING THE FIELDS PER SE.
I'M SAYING THAT I WOULD THINK THE LIGHTS ON THE WEST SIDE MIGHT NEED TO BE MORE OF IT, THE 15 FOOT HEIGHT AS OPPOSED TO THE 30 FOOT HEIGHT THAT GOES RIGHT INTO YOUR BEDROOM WINDOWS ANYWAY.
IF I MAY REAL QUICK TO PLEASE COMMISSIONER STANDARD'S QUESTION ABOUT THE PERMEABLE PARKING.
IF THAT IS A CONDITION THAT THIS BODY WANTS TO DO, IT WOULD HAVE TO PUT ON THE, IT WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT MAKES THE USE MORE COMPATIBLE.
SO IT'S WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW, UM, A PUBLIC, HOW PERMEABLE PARKING LOT WOULD MAKE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT WHEN WE PUT CEMENT? OKAY, I'M ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY THIS QUESTION.
WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO SUGGEST THAT WHERE WE ARE PUTTING EXTRA PARKING PLACES THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED, TRYING NOT TO HAVE CEMENT SO MUCH THAT PUTTING PERMEABLE GIVES MORE AREA FOR STORM WATER RUNOFF.
THAT AS A, AS A NON-ENGINEER COMMISSIONER STANDARD, THAT, THAT RATIONALE MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO MR. NAVARRES IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, UH, WATER.
BUT THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH REASONING BEHIND IT TO POTENTIALLY INCLUDE IT.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, YES, YES.
IF I SAID LIKE 15% AND THAT'S ONE OF MY REASONINGS SORRY, YOU SAID NO, I'M JUST SAYING HYPOTHETICALLY IF I SAID A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PARKING LOT MUST BE PERMEABLE MADE OF
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PERMEABLE SURFACE MATERIALS, THAT THE REASONING WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SAY FOR THE STORM WATER RUNOFF, FOR THE EXTRA CEMENT, YOU CAN JUST SAY YES,JUST TWO QUICK FOLLOW UPS ON THE DISCUSSION PER LIGHTING AND THE, UM, OUTDOOR SPORTS CART, WAS THERE ANY, UM, DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT CONSIDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO ADDRESS OUTDOOR NOISE SPEAKERS? I SEE THERE'S A PRESS BOX ON SITE, UM, PERHAPS HOURS OF OPERATION AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS NON-REQUIRED LIGHTING, NO NON CODE REQUIRED LIGHTING RELATIVE TO THESE SPORTS COURTS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE PROVISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU HAD DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT? UH, WE, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS, UH, THE, THE LOUD SPEAKERS.
WE DISCUSSED THE LIGHTING WHETHER THEY WERE PROPOSING IT OR NOT.
UM, AND THEY WEREN'T AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE THAT DISCUSSION ENDED.
I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, JUST CURRENTLY ON SITE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK ON KEYS AND THERE IS A LANE FOR, UM, PARENTS TO DRIVE IN AND OUT.
UM, ARE WE EXPANDING THAT AREA? UH, WHICH AREA? THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL WHERE PARENTS ARE CURRENTLY DRIVING AND OH, HAVE THE CHOICE TO AND DECIDE NOT TO, IN MY OPINION.
UM, A LOT OF THEM DON'T DRIVE INTO THAT AREA.
THERE'S PARKING AND THEN THERE'S A LANE TO WALK THROUGH, I MEAN, TO DRIVE THROUGH.
SOME PARENTS DRIVE THROUGH IT, I'VE NOTICED AND PICK UP THEIR KIDS.
UM, AND I KNOW A PART OF OUR, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OFF STREET PARKING, I MEAN OFF STREET QUEUING FOR STUDENTS.
SO ARE WE MAKING THAT BETTER OR, SO THE, THE AREA THAT YOU'RE SEEING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE, UHHUH
UM, THERE IS, THERE IS AN ADDED LOOP, OKAY.
THAT GOES AROUND THIS, UH, NEW SMALL PARKING LOT.
UM, THE SOLID LINES HERE ARE Q SPOTS DROP OFF AND PICK UP IS NOT SUPPOSED TO OCCUR THERE UNTIL THEY GO AROUND THE LOOP AND THEN PICK UP WITHIN THESE DESIGNATED AREAS.
UM, THAT IS THE, I GUESS, PARENT DROPOFF AND PICKUP AREA.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ADDING, UM, AND I, I BELIEVE CURRENTLY THE BUSES QUEUE IN THIS AREA, RIGHT? SO THE BUSES WILL NOT SHARE THIS AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR PARENT DROP OFF AND PICK UP.
THE BUSES NOW HAVE THEIR OWN DESIGNATED AREA TO, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THEIR THEIR OWN ENTRANCE AND THEY WILL GO AROUND AND QUEUE IN THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL AND STUDENTS WHO TAKE BUSES WILL, YOU KNOW, LOAD THE BUSES THERE AND THEN THEY WILL EXIT OUT THAT SAME, SO THERE'S NO CROSSING OF, YOU KNOW, STANDARD VEHICLES V VERSUS BUSES.
THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.
UM, JENNIFER, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLAN, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ON IT.
UH, YOU AND THE, THE APPLICANT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.
UM, WE MAINLY TALKED ABOUT THE, THE AREAS AROUND THE PERIPHERY, UM, INCLUDING THE QUEUING LINE, THE BUS LINE, UM, AND THEN ALSO WALKING TRAILS.
IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE, I, I REQUESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL, THE GOVERNMENTS OR TECH DOT OR THE AUTHORITIES FOR THOSE AREAS, AND ALSO CONSIDERING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, UM, WITH THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET.
AND THE NOTION BEHIND THAT IS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WITH NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL, THE GOVERNMENTS OR OTHER AUTHORITIES AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO DEPRESS THE ROAD SO THAT WE HAVE A PROMENADE THAT WOULD MAKE IT A SAFE TREK ACROSS THE STREET TO THE LIBRARY AND POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THE LIBRARY IN THEIR CONVERSATION.
UM, HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT CONVERSATION TO STOP THE SCHOOL GOING FORWARD, AND, AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH ME AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAD THAT SAME OR, OR DO YOU HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF FEELING THAT THEY'LL HAVE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION TO STILL DEAL WITH THOSE CONCERNS.
MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I THINK WE'VE KIND
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OF GOT OFF TOPIC FROM THE S U AT HAND.WELL, SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING IN THE ADJACENT EASEMENT ON THE EAST PORTION OF THE SITE WITH THE 12 FOOT? UM, WALKING TRAIL IS, UH, NO, UH, AS THAT IS, THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY ENCORE, BUT CAN THERE BE A PARKING AGREEMENT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING WITH THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET? UM, JUST TO SAY THAT IF WE REQUIRE MORE PARKING AND WHERE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO, MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S A SEA OF PARKING IN FRONT OF THIS BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED SCHOOL THAT'LL CREATE A HEAT ISLAND AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
AND I DON'T THINK IT GIVES US THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE ON A SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY AND HOW THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT TO COME AND APPROACH THE SITE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'VE ASKED FOR THOSE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS.
UM, BUT PRIMARILY IF WE WERE TO HAVE THIS QUEUING, WHY DIDN'T IT NOT OCCUR SOUTH OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD, UM, WHERE WE HAVE IT IN PLAN TO THE WEST? DO YOU HAVE I I WILL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT.
UM, ALSO WITH THE REQUIRED 105 SPACES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE 183 IS PROPOSED BECAUSE OF THOSE FIELDS AND THE SOCIAL JUSTICE NATURE OF SOME OF THE OUTDOOR AREAS.
IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING ALSO? THEY, THEY JUST, UH, THEY DESCRIBED IT AS, UH, PARKING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, ALL INCLUSIVE.
UM, AND THIS QUESTION IS FOR LEGAL.
WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO REQUIRE, UM, CO-GENERATION SYSTEMS INSIDE THE BUILDING LIKE SOLAR PANELS OR SOME SORT OF, UM, CO GENERATING ENERGY SOURCE AS A USE OF THE LAND COMMISSIONER? YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT MAKES THE USE MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND I WOULD STRUGGLE TO SEE THAT, BUT I CAN BE CONVINCED
UM, WELL, SO IT WOULD BE ALONG THE SAME LINES AS EV CHARGING STATIONS AND THAT, THAT PROVIDE, UM, I GUESS RELIEF TO THE ELECTRIC GRID AND ALSO MULTIMODALITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING.
BUT FOR THE SCHOOL ITSELF, IT WOULD EASE THE ELECTRIC GRID IN THE AREA AND NOT BE SO MUCH OF AN EYESORE AS THE, UM, ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION LINES.
MOREOVER, I'M LOOKING AT A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY, UM, TO BUILD A SCHOOL THAT THEN REFLECTS, UM, WHERE WE'RE GOING IN TERMS OF ENERGY AND LAND USE AS GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR LAND AND ENVIRONMENT.
IS THAT CONVINCING ENOUGH?
COMMISSIONER? YES, I, I I WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS, UH, SEPARATELY OWNED PROPERTY.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, UM, BUT THOSE POWER LINES ARE A PUBLIC UTILITY AND WE, WE CAN'T DICTATE ANY CHANGE TO THAT.
WELL, LET ME PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE NEW BUILDING SO THAT WE RELIEVE THE GRID FOR THE AREA AND WE ARE CREATING A, A PRETTY LARGE BUILDING HERE THAT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE LOCAL GRID.
UM, ALSO BECAUSE IN THAT SAME LANE, UM, MYSELF AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO DISCUSS, UM, PERMEABLE PARKING AND PERMEABLE CONCRETE AS ONE OF THOSE ENERGY SAVING MEASURES THAT I WOULD WANT TO PUT IN THE CONDITIONS, WHICH IS WHY I PREFERENCE THAT QUESTION.
UM, AND THEN SO LASTLY, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE STUDENTS THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE CAMPUS WILL STILL BE THERE WHILE THIS OTHER STRUCTURE IS BEING THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT APPLICANT, YES.
COULD WE OR HAS THERE BEEN A DISCUSSION ABOUT A CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT REGULATES THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL EQUIPMENT, UM, IN LINE WITH OPERATIONS OF A SCHOOL? UH, NOT AS PART OF THE ZONING CASE? UM, I'M SURE THAT THEY CAN, UM, EXPAND UPON THIS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, BUT I DO KNOW, UH, JUST EARLIER THIS WEEK WENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IN PREPARATION FOR ANOTHER SCHOOL THAT HAS ALREADY COME THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
UM, AND WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY CONTINUE THE OUTREACH AND THEY HAVE THOSE CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC PLANS, UM, THAT THEY DISCUSS THOSE WITH PARENTS.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S AN ONGOING PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT IT WAS NOT PART OF THE ZONING
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CASE THAT, THAT WE DISCUSSED.COUNSEL, IS IT PRUDENT TO REQUIRE A CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IN ADDITION TO THE TM TYPICAL TMP? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS REGULATED BY CHAPTER 52 ALREADY.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WE WILL BRIEF THE REST OF THE CASES, COMMISSIONERS THE CERTIFICATES OR PROGRAMS BEFORE WE HEAR THEM.
SO WE'LL GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE DOCKET.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PORTION.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH PAGE NUMBER ONE.
CASE NUMBER TWO, MINOR AMENDMENT M TWO 12.
CAN I, UH, LET'S TAKE, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES? COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 16TH, 2023 MEETING AS REVISED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER, BE BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS REVISED.
LAWS IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG MS. UH,
UM, M TWO 12 DASH 49 AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR A RETIREMENT HOUSING COMMUNITY USE ON A PORTION OF PROPERTY ZONED ZONE A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 6 95 AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF FRANKFORD ROAD, ENCO ROAD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. ROCO.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UH, MR CHAIR PLAN COMMISSIONERS, UH, ANDREW ROIG, 2201 MAIN STREET.
I DO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT JUST GIVE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW.
THIS IS A MINOR AMENDMENT FOR HIGHLAND SPRINGS RETIREMENT COMMUNITY UP IN, UH, FAR, UH, NORTHEAST DALLAS, AND THIS MINOR AMENDMENT, UH, THE IMPETUS OF IT IS TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA FOR BUILDING ENTRY CANOPIES.
UM, SOME ADDITIONAL FLOOR AREA TO, UH, ACCOUNT FOR AN EXPANDED BUILDING FOOTPRINT, UH, REVISING SOME INTERNAL SIDEWALKS AND SHADE STRUCTURES, AND ALSO, UM, UPDATING THE, UM, TREE PLANTINGS, UH, FOR THE SITE JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR KIND OF A ONGOING LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND AS WELL, UM, ACCOUNTING FOR THE, THE, THE, THE PD CONDITIONS AND TRYING TO MAKE THE SITE ONE COMPLIANT AND TWO, UH, VERY PLEASANT FOR THE EXISTING OR FOR THE PER THE FUTURE RESIDENTS OF THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ANY.
THANK YOU, MR. WE, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? OKAY.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, COMMISSIONER HAWK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF M 2 12 0 4 9, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR YOUR MOTION.
VICE CHAIR ROOM FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO OUR ZONING CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT, BEGINNING WITH CASE NUMBER THREE Z 223 22.
SO ITEM THREE IS Z 2 1 2 3 2 2.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TOWER SLASH INCENTIVE FOR A CELLULAR COMMUNICATION ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT THREE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 317, THE SPECIAL CEDARS AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF CADE STREET, NORTH OF BATUM JOHN BOULEVARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10 YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE SLASH ELEVATION PLANNING CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. PEPPI.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.
I I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON REALLY REACHED OUT QUITE A BIT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YOU JUST PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS
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WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.VINCENT HUBINGER WITH VINCENT GERARD AND ASSOCIATES REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
THANK, UM, SO I JUST, I JUST HEAR IT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE MS. HEMPTON HAS SOME THINGS TO SAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, WE'VE HELD THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING.
WERE YOU ABLE TO, UH, BE IN CONTACT WITH SOME OF THE SURROUNDING STAKEHOLDERS AND COMMUNITY, UM, ASSOCIATIONS? YES, MA'AM.
AND, UM, I THINK YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE WAS OUTREACH, UM, TO BOTH PROPERTY OWNERS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, AND IN THAT TIME, WERE YOU ABLE TO ALSO RESEARCH THE, UM, EXISTING COVERAGE AREAS AND, UM, ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT YOU ALL HAD INVESTIGATED, UH, BEFORE, UM, ARRIVING AT THIS SITE AND THE REQUEST BEFORE US TODAY? YES, MA'AM.
QUITE EXTENSIVELY, WE, UH, PROVIDED A CANDIDATE, SOMEBODY SEARCH, UM, OVER 12 CANDIDATES.
WE, WE LOOKED AT, UH, INCLUDING THREE CITY PROPERTIES AND, AND NONE OF 'EM CAME TO FRUITION.
AND THEN THE REQUEST BEFORE IT'S TODAY, UM, AND THANK YOU FOR SUBMITTING THE RI REVISED, UM, SITE PLAN.
I KNOW MR. PEPE HAS, UM, SEEN IT BRIEFLY AND I HAD RECEIVED IT.
THE HEIGHT THAT IS PROPOSED IS REDUCING FROM 120 FEET TO A HUNDRED FEET, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN HAVE YOU ADDED ADDITIONAL, UM, PLANTING AREAS AROUND THE ENCLOSURE AND CHANGED THE ENCLOSURE FROM THE CHAIN LINK AND BARBED WIRE TO BE AN EIGHT FOOT, UM, PAINTED? WE HAVE, WE'VE, UH, PROPOSED ROD IRON STEEL TYPE FENCING, UM, EIGHT FEET FOR SECURITY, UM, WITH A LOT OF NATIVE, UH, DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS SURROUNDING THAT AREA.
UH, DRESSED IT UP QUITE NICELY.
I BELIEVE THOSE WERE MY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? SO I'M, I'M KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
UH, THERE'S A PROBATION AND PAROLE PLACED THERE AND THEN LIFE CENTER IS THERE.
HAVE WE CONSIDERED THAT POPULATION OF PEOPLE AND HOW THEY WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS? YES.
THEY BASICALLY, THIS COVERS THAT WHOLE AREA.
THIS SITE, JUST MOVING 400 FEET ACROSS THE HIGHWAY IS AN INTEGRAL PIECE OF COMMUNICATIONS FOR THAT CEDARS AREA.
UM, AND THE GOVERNMENTAL INSTITUTION AREAS OVER THERE WERE CONTACTED AS WELL.
AND THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HEIGHT, HEIGHT ON THE ROOFTOP.
THEY DON'T HAVE SPACE FOR A SITE LIKE THIS AT 40 BY 60.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU.
UM, MR. PEPPI, JUST ONE QUESTION FOR YOU.
UM, I NEGLECT TO ASK DURING THE BRIEFING, UM, REGARDING THE, UM, SUGGESTED PLANTING AREAS, WAS THAT REVIEWED, UM, WITH MR. IRWIN AND DID HE HAVE ANY, UM, COMMENTS ON THAT? YES, IT, IT WAS REVIEWED WITH, I'M GETTING THAT, I'M SORRY.
IT WAS REVIEWED, UH, BY, BY MR. IRWIN.
AND, UM, I THINK THE MAIN, THE MAIN QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT JUST, I THINK THESE HAVE BEEN RESOLVED, BUT THE MAIN QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS WERE REGARDING, UM, SO AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THEY WOULD JUST FILE FOR THEIR REGULAR, THE TYPICAL RIGHT OF WAY LANDSCAPING PERMITS THROUGH, UM, THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
UM, HE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE IRRIGATION AND THEY SAID IT WOULD, UM, IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE AUTOMATIC IRRIGATION.
UM, SO THAT KIND OF MITIGATED THOSE, UM, QUESTIONS.
SO, UM, IN TERMS OF THAT PART OF THE REVIEW, IT, IT CAME TO A RESOLUTION AND HE WAS GOOD AS, AS I RECALL.
AND AT OUR LAST MEETING, I THINK WE ALSO DISCUSSED THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UM, PLANNING INITIATIVES UNDERWAY, INCLUDING THE REDESIGN OF THE I 30 RIGHT OF WAY.
I THINK THE CITY CONVENTION CENTER, UM, IS AN ONGOING, UM, EVALUATION AND THE BOTH OF THOSE ARE NEARBY TO THIS SITE.
UM, WERE THOSE EVALUATED BY STAFF? YES, THEY, THEY WERE.
SO THE ROADWAYS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, REWORKED OVER TIME AND AS WE'VE DISCUSSED, THE, THE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US ARE JUST THAT THEY'RE CONCEPTUAL.
UM, TEXT HOT MIGHT BE TWEAKING THEM TO SOME DEGREE, BUT GENERALLY THE VISION IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RECONNECT THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FREEWAY AND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE FREEWAY BETTER THROUGH BETTER CROSSOVERS, BETTER SIDEWALKS, UM, GENERALLY LESS, UH, FREEWAY VISIBLE.
UM, SO THAT IS VETTED PLAY INTO THE, UH, REVIEW.
AND I, I THINK THAT, UH, WHAT THE AMENDED CHANGES, UM, IN, IN THE REVIEW THAT WE'VE HAD, THE ABILITY TO DO THEM ARE, ARE ACCEPTABLE IN, IN FURTHERING THOSE, THOSE GOALS WHILE ALLOWING FOR A DEGREE OF THE, THE UTILITY TO EXIST.
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THANK YOU.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE? NONE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MARSHALL? I DO.
AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 212 DASH 3 32, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST PER STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WITH THE FOLLOWING, ADDITIONAL, UM, U CONDITIONS AND CHANGE ONE HEIGHT REVISED TO 100 FEET.
ADD PLANTING LANDSCAPE, PLANTING AREAS TO BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE SITE.
PLANT SPECIES SHALL BE NATIVE DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTINGS AS APPROVED BY THE DIRECTOR.
ALL PLANT MATERIALS MUST BE MAINTAINED IN A HEALTHY GROWING CONDITION AT ALL TIMES.
AND ADD ENCLOSURE, AN EIGHT FOOT PAINTED STEEL OR ROT IRON FENCE WITH SOLID GATE TO BE PROVIDED AS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK MR. HUBINGER FOR HIS TIME, UM, ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I WAS ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN ONE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETING AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL OUTREACH TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AREA.
UM, THERE WAS EXTENSIVE OUTREACH IN INCLUDING TO, UM, DALLAS LIFE AND SOME OF THE OTHER, UM, FACILITIES IN THE AREA, UM, TO SEE IF WE COULD FIND A SITE FOR THIS.
UM, MR. HUBINGER WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE EXTENSIVE DETAIL ON THEIR OUTREACH EFFORTS, UH, FROM CITY OWNED FACILITIES TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THIS IS THE BEST LOCATION AT THIS TIME.
HOWEVER, I FULLY ANTICIPATE 10 YEARS FROM NOW THAT THIS AREA IS GONNA LOOK DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT.
AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS TO COME BACK, UM, AND BE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME.
AND IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THAT FOR A, A MORE INTEGRATED LOCATION.
OR IT MAY BE THAT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED AROUND THIS SITE, BUT THAT, UM, I HOPE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
NO MATTER OF Z 2 1 2 322, HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
SECOND, MY COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR RUBEN, TO CLOSE UP OF HEARING AND FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A1 YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS SUBJECT TO A SITE IN ALLEGATION PLANNING CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, ADJUSTMENTS AS READ INTO RECORD BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IN REGARDS TO THE HEIGHT SET AT 100 FEET LANDSCAPING AND AN ENCLOSURE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS Z 2 1 2 3 26.
THAT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 76 5.
IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF MAPLE SHADE LANE IN HOX OXFORD DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A 10-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL 10-YEAR PERIODS, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CARL CRAWLEY, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, REPRESENTING THE, AND I'LL CATCH MYSELF.
UM, I'M, I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS, SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU A QUICK SORT OF IDEA AND THEN I'LL BET YOU THAT I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
UM, THIS IS ONE OF THREE TO FOUR, UH, PLANO, I S D, THEY CALL THEM WRAPAROUND SERVICE CENTERS IN THE, IN THE, THE WRAPAROUND IS MUCH LIKE I'VE EQUATED TO LIKE A HUG IN THAT SENSE.
AND THEY PROVIDE SERVICES TO STAFF, FAMILIES, STUDENTS OF PLANO IS D UM, AND THE REASON WE'RE HERE AS A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER USE, WHICH WAS WHAT SORT OF MICHAEL IN THAT DEFINITION IS JUST A WONDERFUL DEFINITION, ISN'T IT? IT LISTS MORE THINGS YOU'RE NOT THAN YOU ARE.
UH, AND WHAT WE ARE IN THIS CASE, AND THE REASON FOR THE U REQUEST IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO ROOMS INSIDE OF OUR STRUCTURE, APPROXIMATELY 200 SQUARE FEET EACH, THAT WILL HAVE A CLOTHING AND FOOD PANTRY.
10,000 SQUARE FEET, 400 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, IF YOU DROVE AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY A MAJORITY OF THE CHURCHES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS OFFER CLOTHING AND FOOD PANTRIES TODAY JUST BECAUSE THEY DO AND THERE'S A NEED FOR IT.
WELL, UM, WE, UH, GOT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN APPROVED AS AN OFFICE USE AND THAT CAME UP AS A QUESTION, WHY DID WE DO THAT? WELL, IT TAKES NINE PLUS MONTHS NOW TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, DOESN'T IT? YES, IT DOES.
AND SIX PLUS MONTHS TO GET A ZONING CASE.
SO WITH THE 400 SQUARE FEET NOW CALLED A STORAGE ROOM, WE CAME IN FOR AN OFFICE USE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE OFFICE COUNSELING AND OTHER USES SO THAT WE COULD BEGIN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT SO WE CAN OPEN THIS FACILITY FOR OUR STUDENTS FAMILY AND
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OUR STAFF.UH, THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT PARKING.
WHY DO WE HAVE, AND, AND MICHAEL SAID EVENTS, I WOULDN'T CALL IT EVENTS AS MUCH AS WE OFFER, UH, COUNSELING, OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE HAVE OFFICES FOR THE DISTRICT TO USE.
WE ALSO OFFER, UH, IN-SERVICE GUIDANCE IN-SERVICE, UH, LEARNING FOR TEACHERS ON IN-SERVICE DAYS, WE MAY HAVE 40 OR 50 TEACHERS THERE TAKING SEMINARS OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
WOULD WE, DO WE OFFER G E D CLASSES? SURE, WE DO.
DO WE OCCASIONALLY, MAYBE ONCE A SEMESTER OR TWICE A YEAR, OFFER OUR VACCINATION CLINIC FOR OUR STUDENTS? SURE WE DO.
UM, THE EXTRA PARKING IS FOR THOSE REASONS, YES, THEY'RE PROBABLY, MAYBE ONLY 10 TO 15 OF THOSE DAYS A YEAR.
BUT THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD TO OUR WEST.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE, AND I'VE HAD MUCH CONVERSATION WITH, AND I THINK MICHAEL AND I ARE PROBABLY THE ONLY TWO PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHO ANNE MURPHY IS, BUT ANNE MURPHY AND I HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS ABOUT THIS.
AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED IF WE HAD, UH, PARKING OF OUR EVENTS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE'VE ADDED THOSE EXTRA PARKING SPACES.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERED ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
WE'D LIKE TO BUILD A WRAPAROUND CENTER, WHICH IS AGAIN, ABOUT 400 SQUARE FEET OF COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER.
AND THE REST WOULD BE ALLOWED BY WRIGHT IN THAT, UH, THE COUNSELING, THE GUIDANCE, THE EDUCATION, THE OFFICE USES ARE ALL ALLOWED BY.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO, UH, SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER TREIT? YES.
SO, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WHEN YOU WERE IN FRONT OF US IN DECEMBER, YOU ONLY ASKED FOR AN OFFICE USE.
WHEN DID IT BECOME CLEAR THAT YOU WANTED, UM, ALSO A USE FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER BEFORE THAT? CUZ IF YOU'LL SEE, OUR APPLICATION FOR THE ZONING WAS IN AUGUST, BUT IF I, IF I COULD GET THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN APPROVED, THEY WOULD START MY REVIEW OF BUILDING PERMITS.
SO, AND MAYBE THIS IS JUST CUZ I'M STILL RELATIVELY NEW.
WHY DIDN'T YOU ALSO ASK FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICE? BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ALLOWED, RIGHT? THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE U IT'S THE SAME BUILDING.
IT ALL LOOKS THE SAME IF YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T SEE THE FLOOR PLAN AND OH, IT'S THE SAME.
SO, SO WITH THE, THE NINE MONTHS IT TAKES TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, IF, IF I WERE TO WAIT TILL NOW OR ACTUALLY A MONTH OR SO FROM NOW TO GET TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR AN U, THEN I WOULD BE, WHAT, A YEAR BEHIND IN THE WAY OF GETTING A BUILDING PERMIT AND STARTING CONSTRUCTION.
NOW OBVIOUSLY IF THE U IS DENIED, UM, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO USE THOSE TWO ROOMS FOR A CLOTHING AND FOOD PANTRY.
BUT THE DISTRICT IS STILL GONNA BUILD THEIR BUILDING THERE CUZ THEY HAVE OTHER SERVICES THEY NEED TO OFFER.
SO I, I DID IT FOR, FOR ALL THE PROBABLY WRONG REASONS, IS THERE'S A VERY LONG DELAY IN BUILDING INSPECTION TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND WE NEED TO START THE REVIEW OF THAT.
I'LL JUST SAY FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE KNOWN THIS TWO MONTHS AGO.
NOT THAT IT WOULD CHANGE A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT WOULD JUST GIVE US A FULLER PICTURE.
NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A USE THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED TO MY MEMORY BACK IN DECEMBER.
WELL, IT, IT COULDN'T BE DISCUSSED BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T APPROVE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED.
BUT WE WERE APPROVING SOMETHING, A DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN AND A LANDSCAPE FOR AN OFFICE.
AND, AND ALL BUT 400 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE THAT USE AGAIN, I WILL JUST SAY PERSONALLY, I WOULD'VE APPRECIATED THAT.
BUT I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WITH THE DELAY OF GETTING MR. CHAIR.
SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, IT'S ABOUT THE USE, RIGHT? NOT THE BUILDING, IT'S ABOUT THE USE.
YEAH, I, I KNOW, BUT IF YOU PUT OFFICE USE IN WHAT WE SAW IN DECEMBER, YOU COULD HAVE PUT COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER USE.
ACTUALLY, THE STAFF MADE ME REMOVE THAT AS ON MY USE.
I HAD THAT ON MY USE AND THEY MADE ME REMOVE IT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO PARKING, IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT PARKING, UM, I, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING SPACES HERE AND I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, BUT JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THERE'S, UM, 54 SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE BUILDING.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION NOT USING STREET PARKING, NOT USING NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING.
I'M NOT GOING THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PARKING AREAS AROUND HERE? BECAUSE YOU'RE USING, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THREE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACE AND THAT'S JUST A LOT OF CONCRETE.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM, SEEM LIKE IT'S GONNA BE USED MUCH.
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I WERE, UH, UH, AN OFFICE USED, IF I DIDN'T HAVE THINGS WHERE I'M GIVING IN-SERVICE INSTRUCTION TO TEACHERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.SO I, I'D AGREE WITH YOU IF I WAS, WHAT WOULD BE A, IF THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A TYPICAL OFFICE USE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT IF THERE WERE A TYPICAL OFFICE USE AND A TYPICAL COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER, THE DIFFERENCE IS COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER IN OUR CASE, WHICH WOULD BE THE HIGHEST PARKING RATIO, WAS 400 SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT'S NOT WHAT'S TRIGGERING IT.
IT'S THE FACT THAT WE OFFER ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS THAT INSERVICE TRAINING AND, AND OTHER STUFF THAT, THAT THERE IS NO ADJACENT PARKING TO GO TO.
AND I'M SURE THEY REALLY WOULDN'T WANT US TO PARK OR WE'D PARK ON THE STREETS.
YOU CAN'T PARK ON MAPLE, MAPLE SHADE.
I WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT IT'S A THOROUGHFARE.
SO THAT LEAVES YOU OXFORD AND THE OTHER STREETS SURROUNDING IT.
AND I DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY EXTRA PARKING.
THEY'RE PROBABLY ACTUALLY ON THE WEEKENDS FLOOD ONTO THE STREETS.
AND SO I DON'T HAVE ANY, A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER OPTIONS.
IS THERE A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION NEARBY? WERE THERE OTHER POSSIBLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION THAT WERE LOOKED AT? THERE IS PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ON PRESTON ROAD, I'M SURE, BUT THAT'S NOT THAT CLOSE.
AND AND A LOT OF THIS IS STUDENTS AND, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SERVING AN UNDERSERVED POPULATION HERE TO, TO HELP THEM.
SO A LOT OF THEM WOULD BE COMING ON PRIVATE VEHICLES TO GET HERE.
UM, IF, IF A PARENT MIGHT COME WITH COUNSELING FOR A CHILD, UM, WHATEVER KIND OF COUNSELING THERE MIGHT BE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT COUNSELING OFFERED.
UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA NEED A PLACE TO PARK.
AND THE, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF VISITORS SITUATION WHEN IT COMES TO THAT TOO.
I DEFINITELY THINK YOU NEED MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, THE MINIMUM.
BUT I JUST WISH THAT THERE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT AND IN 2023 I WISH WE WERE FARTHER ALONG AND NOT JUST LOOKING AT HAVING A LOT OF CONCRETE NO, NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DISTRICT, BUT IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THOSE SORT OF THINGS WERE REALLY FULLY VETTED.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, YES, UH, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO, UM, YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE FOOD DISTRICT, I MEAN A PANTRY, WOULD THAT PANTRY USE BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN THROUGH THE COVID, UH, ERA WHERE PEOPLE COULDN'T, THERE COULD BE A DISTRIBUTION OF FOOD FOR RESIDENTS OR, UH, OR PEOPLE OF THAT NATURE? YEAH.
UH, WHEN I THINK OF THE COVID FOOD DISTRIBUTION, I THINK OF LIKE DRIVE-THROUGH.
NO, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT SORT OF SCENARIO.
UM, AND, AND IT WOULD JUST BE IF, IF YOU COULD COME AND THEY'LL HAVE HOURS OF OPERATION, JUST LIKE, UH, A LOT OF FOOD BANKS, UH, I KNOW WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S A CHURCH NEXT TO ME AND THEY HAVE A, AN HOURS OF OPERATION THAT THEY OPEN THEIR FOOD PANTRY IN THIS CASE AS OPPOSED TO A DRIVE-THROUGH.
AND YOU COME IN AND, AND, AND IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO P I S D FAMILY AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, NOT JUST TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO IF THIS IS, SO YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD BE LIMIT.
SO WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M ENVISIONING, JUST SO I DON'T GET IN TROUBLE WITH LAND USE NO, THIS IS, THIS IS THE LAND USE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY FOOD PANTRY AND, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASCERTAIN IS WHETHER, AND YOU SAID VACCINATION SERVICES AS WELL, THAT THAT MAY, THEY MAY OFFER THAT AS A VACCINATION CLINIC.
THEY, THEY MAY, AGAIN, FOR STUDENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
SO, AND PLANO IS, S D HAS MORE THAN A HUNDRED OR 200 OR MORE THAN 300 STUDENTS, CORRECT? OH, YES, YES.
SO THE POINT I'M MAKING IS, IS IT A DR IS WHAT IS THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE FOOD PANTRY AND OR THE VACCINATION PORTION? WOULD THAT BE LIKE AN APPOINTMENT? YOU CUT, YOU MAKE AN APPOINTMENT, YOU GO IN, YOU PICK UP THE FOOD, YOU GET THE VACCINATION AND YOU GO OUT? OR WOULD THAT BE A DISTRIBUTION AND A VACCINATION? UM, DISTRIBUTION WHERE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF THIS AND THIS YOU IN WHICH SURE I UNDERSTAND.
IN WHICH, IF THAT IS INDEED THE CASE, COULD YOU NOT HAVE OVERFLOW? MEANING IF YOU HAVE A GREATER NEED AND A NUMBER OF VACCINATION SERVICES AT THE SAME TIME, COULD IT NOT BE THAT THERE WOULD BE AN OVERFLOW THAT COULD OVERFLOW ONTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, WELL, AS I, AS I MENTIONED, I, I BELIEVE I DID, UH, MAYBE I DIDN'T.
THIS IS ONE OF THREE OR FOUR OF THESE CENTERS, UH, THAT ARE EITHER EXISTING OR TO BE PLANNED IN THE PLANO
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IS S D AND THE DISTRICT OBVIOUSLY IS A LARGE DISTRICT, BUT COMPARED TO THE D I S D, IT'S MUCH SMALLER.OBVIOUSLY DISTRICT, THE, THE DISTRICT WOULD BE DIVIDED INTO YEAH.
SO I, AND, AND IF FOR A VACCINATION CLINIC, IT MAY BE THIS SCHOOL, YOUR STUDENTS CAN COME AND HAVE AVAC, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN THAT ATTENDANCE ZONE, YOU KNOW, SO THEY, SO THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT SITUATION.
NOW, OBVIOUSLY WITH A LOT OF EXTRA PARKING SPACES AND A VACCINATION CLINIC WOULD PROBABLY BE NOT DURING OFFICE HOURS, YOU WOULD LIKELY BE ON A WEEKEND.
UM, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE EXTRA SPACES IN THE SENSE THE EMPLOYEES AREN'T THERE.
SO COULD IT HAPPEN? SURE, IT COULD HAPPEN.
YOU COULD HAVE SPILL OVER, BUT, BUT THE IDEA IS WITH THE EXTRA PARKING AND STUFF THAT WE HOPE NOT TO HAVE THAT SITUATION.
SO BASICALLY THIS IS A, THIS IS A NEW USE THAT WE ARE, THAT THEY MAY HAVE, THEY MAY HAVE IT SOMEWHERE IN PLANO.
PLANO, BUT THIS IS A U A NEW USE THAT WE ARE SEEING IN DALLAS FOR THE USE OF PLANO SERVICES.
UM, NOW I WOULD EQUATE THIS TO, IN THE D I S D, A LOT OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS, IF NOT MOST OF THEM, AND ACTUALLY ON TODAY'S AGENDA, THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL HAS A, AN AREA SET ASIDE WHAT DALLAS CALLS OR WHEN I WAS DOING WHAT WE CALLED YOUTH AND FAMILY CENTERS, NOT AS BIG A SCALE, BUT IT WOULD OFFER COUNSELING AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE, FOR THE, THE AREA.
SO IT'D BE IN THAT FEEDER ZONE.
UH, PINKSTON, THEY BUILT ONE INSIDE OF THE SCHOOL.
UM, BRIAN ADAMS THAT Y'ALL LOOKED AT, SIEG, EAGLEVILLE, OTHER HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE THEM AS, THEY'LL ADD A PORTABLE, A QUAD BUILDING OUT THERE.
THE AS THAT PLANO ISD JUST COMBINED THERE, FOUR AND, UH, THREE OR FOUR ACROSS THE DISTRICT.
THEY'RE A, A GOOD PART OF PLANO IS SD IS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, THERE ARE A PLANO, UH, MIDDLE SCHOOL NOT TOO FAR AWAY FROM HERE IN SOME ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS EVEN FURTHER SOUTH, THAT THIS WAS A CENTRAL LOCATION.
THEY'VE HAD THIS SITE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
UH, AT ONE POINT THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD AN EARLY LEARNING CENTER, AND THEY MAY STILL ON THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE.
UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, TH THIS IS A HOUSTON, THIS IS, OKAY, SO TO ENCAPSULATE ALL THAT, THIS IS A NEW USE IN DALLAS FOR D I S D.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT DI THAT DA THAT PLANO IS, IS, IT'S A NEW USE IN DALLAS FOR PLANO I S D THAT WE ARE SEEING COME TO US FOR A REQUEST FOR S U P FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT, YES.
SO THE, IN DECEMBER, YOU ALL HAD SOME INTENTION, BUT THE REASON THAT YOU, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THOSE TWO ITEMS, BECAUSE THE CITY OF DALLAS IS VERY PARTICULAR WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, UM, UH, MY BRAIN JUST WENT BLANK.
AND, AND, AND IF ONE THING THAT YOU ARE SUPPLYING ARE OFFERING GET IS IN THAT, IS IN THAT, UM, THAT USE, THEY WANT YOU TO GET THAT S U P.
SO EVEN IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING, IS THAT THE REASONING BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING, MORE THAN THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS A OFFICE, OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE.
BUT BECAUSE THOSE TWO ROOMS, YES, BECAUSE THE, AGAIN, DALLAS IS VERY, WHEN YOU GET TO JEFFERSON, THEY'RE VERY PARTICULAR.
IF YOU MENTION IT ONE TIME, IT'S A U IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT ALLOWED BY.
AM I RIGHT? IS THAT THE REASONING THAT YES, Y'ALL COME BACK? YES.
YOU KNOW, I, I HAD MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THOSE HAD BEEN LABELED SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY YOU SHOULD DO THINGS.
SO ARE ALSO, IS IT VA ARE YOU ALSO, UM, VACCINES OR ARE YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ALSO OFFERING, UM, PHYSICALS? YEAH.
AND THAT, SO IS IT THE PHYSICALS OR THE VACCINES? SURE.
THAT THAT COULD BE SOME OF THE THINGS THEY OFFER.
LIKE, WELL, DALLAS SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, UM, OFFER THEM ON OCCASION PHYSICALS AND OTHER PLACES OFFER FOR A, FOR ATHLETICS, FOR BAND, ALL THOSE EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'D CONSIDER OFFERING.
SO I DO KNOW THAT D I S D HAS FOR QUITE SOME TIME OFFER WRAPAROUND SERVICES AND MOST OF THE NEW SCHOOLS MM-HMM.
UM, DID YOU ALL CONSULT WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IN, UM, THE OVERFLOW AT OTHER, I MEAN AT OTHER PLANO SCHOOLS THAT MAYBE SOME OVERFLOW AND THAT'S THE REASONING THAT YOU HAVE SO MUCH PARKING AT
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THIS LOCATION? WELL, YEAH, TH THEY'VE LEARNED FROM EXPERIENCE PROBABLY MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, THAT, THAT THIS IS THE PARKING THEY NEED.CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T WANT CONCRETE AND PARKING COSTS MONEY AND EVERYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO THAT'S HOW THEY, THEY'VE HAD EXPERIENCE ON THESE SITUATIONS AND THAT'S COME UP.
UM, AND THEN, YES, WE DID TALK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S BIGGEST CONCERN WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, ARE THERE GONNA BE LARGE DELIVERIES OF THINGS? AND, AND I SAID, NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, AND THEN THIS LAST WEEK, UM, UH, UM, MS. MURPHY, WHO, WHO, LIKE I SAY, I THINK, UH, MICHAEL KNOWS, AND I'VE KNOWN FOR 25 PLUS YEARS, UM, SHE CALLED ME OUT OF, OUT OF THE BLUE AND SAID, BECAUSE SHE SAW MY NAME ON IT AND SAID THIS LAST WEEK, HER QUESTION WAS, ARE THEY GONNA HAVE DROP OFF BINS THAT WE SEE IN RETAIL AND STUFF LIKE THAT? AND THE DISTRICT SAID, NO, NO, THEY WILL NOT DO THAT.
THEY WILL ALL GET THEM EITHER BE DROPPED OFF AT SCHOOLS AND THEY'LL CONSOLIDATE IT TO THIS LOCATION OR THE FOOD PANTRY STUFF WOULD LIKELY COME FROM A FOOD BANK OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
AND THE, THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE IS A, IS A SMALL BOX TRUCK OR VAN OR SOMETHING.
SO SHE SAID, SO WAS THE COMMUNITY, WHAT WAS THE COMMUNITY? WAS THERE COMMUNITY MEETINGS CONCERNING? WERE THEY, UH, HOW, HOW WERE, HOW WAS THE COMMUNITY FEELING ABOUT HAVING, UM, WERE THEY RECEPTIVE TO IT? DID THE COMMUNITY NEED IT IN THAT AREA? DID YOU HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS ABOUT EVEN, WELL, THE DISTRICT REACHED OUT TO 'EM IN, IN THEIR CONSOLIDATING AND, AND PLANNING ALL THESE.
BUT, UM, AND, AND THE COMMISSIONER AND ACTUALLY THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUT THERE AND THEY, THEY LIKE THE IDEA, THEY UNDERSTAND IT'S A NEED.
UM, THEIR CONCERNS WERE, UH, THE ARCHITECTURE AND, AND Y'ALL DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT, BUT WE SEND 'EM SOME RENDERINGS AND STUFF.
AND THEN AGAIN, UM, WOULD THERE BE, THEIR CONCERN IS LIKE THAT DROP OFF BIN AND STUFF AND CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND, AND THE CLEANLINESS OF IT.
THEY HAD NO CONCERN ABOUT THE USE.
THEY UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THAT USE.
AND, AND MENTIONED THERE'S CHURCHES IN THE AREA THAT, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THAT PRETTY MUCH OFFER THAT USE ALREADY TODAY.
SO, UM, WHAT IS THE CLOSEST SCHOOL PLANO SCHOOL TO THAT? UM, THERE'S AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SOUTH OF THAT, UM, PROBABLY A MILE OR SO, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE SOUTH OF THAT.
PROBABLY MORE TOWARDS BETWEEN ARAPAHOE AND BELTLINE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL.
IF YOU GO TO THE WEST, UM, IN THE COT, COIT AND FRANKFURT AREA.
THERE'S A MIDDLE SCHOOL OVER THERE.
UM, AND I, I DON'T, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE IS IN THE WAY OF PLANO SCHOOL IS IN PLANO BECAUSE THEY'RE ALIVE BY RIGHT IN PLANO.
I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.
MEDICAL CLINIC AND MEDICAL FACILITIES, UM, ARE A BY RIGHT USE.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ONE OF THOSE USES AT THE LONG DEFINITION OF COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER THAT IT REMOVES.
IT'S PART OF ABBU WHERE THEY REMOVE A BUNCH OF ACTIVITIES, MEDICAL SERVICES LIKE VACCINE IS GONNA BE REMOVED FROM THAT.
SO THAT'S A BY RIGHT USE, JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HARBERT.
UM, YOU MENTIONED THE, THE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, WOULD, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS PLANO, I S D, IT'S ON THE DALLAS SIDE OR DALLAS CITIZENS WHO AREN'T PLANO IS SD STUDENTS IN THAT AREA, WILL THEY HAVE ACCESS TO SOME OF THESE RESOURCES? DO YOU KNOW WILL DALLAS? NO, THIS IS, IS LIMITED TO PLANO, ISDS FAMILY, STUDENTS AND FAMILIES.
SO THE COMMUNITY YOU SPOKE TO, WERE THEY AWARE OF THAT? YES.
AND, AND IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE MAPLE SHADE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS TO THE WEST OF THAT.
THERE ARE SOME HOMES OUT THERE THAT WERE BUILT.
THIS AREA WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED AND DEVELOPED IN THE EIGHTIES MM-HMM.
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF SOME HOMES BUILT THERE TO THE WEST.
AND THEN BASICALLY IT'S SORT OF BEEN COMMERCIAL GOBBLED UP BY NON-RESIDENTIAL, SHALL WE SAY.
AND THE LAST QUESTION IS ON LOCATION.
WAS THERE, UH, RESEARCH ON THE NEED IN THAT AREA SPECIFICALLY, OR IS JUST EVERYBODY NEEDS IT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT IT THERE AND PEOPLE WILL COME IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.
PROBABLY, PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN AREA OF, OF IF THEY DIVIDE THIS, THEIR DISTRICT AND THE QUADRANTS.
THIS IS AN AREA THAT DOESN'T, THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN DALLAS.
UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY OWN THE LAND, WHICH MADE IT CONVENIENT.
AS I MENTIONED, THEY WERE GOING TO DO PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY WERE GONNA BUILD AN EARLY LEARNING CENTER, AND WE WERE, HAD SUBMITTED A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO, TO DO IT THERE.
UM, SO I THINK IT WAS A LOT OF THAT.
THERE IS A NEED PROBABLY, UM, THE, THE AREA.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE, THERE IS A NEED IN, IN THOSE SCHOOLS SOUTH OF THERE EVEN.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON,
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I'M GONNA JUMP IN HERE.ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT'S QUESTION.
UH, MR. CROWLEY, ISN'T IT, TH THIS PD IN FACT, UNIQUE IN THAT IT REQUIRES A NOTIFICATION OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, IN FACT, THE SPECIFIC ONE.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, HOW MANY EV PARKING SPOTS ARE YOU PROPOSING FOR THIS MASSIVE PARKING LOT YOU WANT? UM, WE HAD NOT PLANNED ON E, BUT I GUESS, UM, MUCH LIKE THE SCHOOL HERE IN A MINUTE WE'LL PROBABLY GET SOME, UH, ADDED TO IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
C I, COMMISSIONER HAWK, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF, IT'S V 2 12 26.
I BELIEVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE, UM, APPROVE THE FOLLOWING THE SITE POINT.
I'M GETTING A REALLY BAD ECHO.
I WE'RE, I THINK WE GOT ABOUT HALF OF THE MOTION.
CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT IT? MY APOLOGIES.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 212 3 26, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS FOR AN S U P.
AND HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDED, UH, CONDITIONS.
UM, ONE, THE USE IS, UH, FOR A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER.
NUMBER TWO, THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER IS LIMITED TO A MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA OF 11,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE S U P IS APPROVED FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS HOURS OF OPERATION.
IT'S LIMITED TO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM THE PROPERTY MUST BE PROPERLY MAINTAINED IN STATE OF GOOD REPAIR AND NEAT APPEARANCE.
THERE WILL BE ONE EV PARKING SPACE, AND THE USE OF THE PROPERTY MUST COMPLY WITH ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAWS, REGULATIONS AND WITH ALL ORDINANCES, RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR YOUR MOTION.
WOULD THAT INCLUDE, UH, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, EIGHT CONDITIONS THAT YOU READ INTO THE RECORD? YES, I MENTIONED TO A SITE PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN HEAR ME.
SO YES, ONLY THE EV'S DIFFERENT.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAWK FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BLAIR? CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? PLEASE? CAN I, CAN I, UH, DO A FRIENDLY, UM, AMENDMENT, COMMEN AMENDMENT, UM, EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, TENURE PERIOD WITH NO, NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AT THIS TIME.
WHAT'S THE REASONING? THIS IS A BRAND NEW USE.
THIS IS A USE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN.
WE DON'T KNOW WITH THE BEHAVIOR.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
WE DON'T, WE CAN'T, WE DON'T KNOW THE OPERATION.
AND, AND INSTEAD OF COMING IN AT A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME, UM, I WOULD JUST THINK THAT IF AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD THEY COME AND THERE IS NO, UM, ADVERSE USE, THERE IS NO NOTHING THAT IS, UM, ADVERSE TO THE COMMUNITY THAN AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, THEY COULD COME BACK FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS WITH AUTOMATIC RENEWALS AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.
SO JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.
IF THIS WERE D I S D, WOULD WE HAVE THAT SAME ORIENTATION? YES, I WOULD, I WOULD MAKE THAT SAME RECOMMENDATION.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO IT WAS, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO, WHO IS THE USER? IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE USE AND THAT THIS IS AN APPLICANT WHO'S DOING SOMETHING FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE OR HOW IT'S GOING TO FEEL, OR HOW IT'S WILL POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY IMPACT THAT COMMUNITY.
SO EVEN IF IT WAS, UH, A D ONE LIQUOR OVERLAY OR IF IT WAS AN, OR SOMETHING OF THAT PARTICULAR NATURE, I WOULD MAKE THE SAME RECOMMENDATION.
WELL, WE DO KIND OF FAVOR SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF JUST THE RELATIONSHIP, AND WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED QUITE A BIT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SCHOOLS COME IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE WE WANT TO HONOR THEM AND THEIR OPERATIONS.
UM, AND ALSO, THIS IS THE FIRST IN THIS AREA, BUT NOT THE FIRST FOR PLANO.
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COMMISSIONER HAWK, YOU'RE, UH, WELCOME TO, UM, ACCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR YOU'RE WELCOME NOT TO, UM, IT'S UP TO YOU.I WOULD BE IF, IF IT DEPENDS ON HOW MY OTHER FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE FEELING.
SO CAN WE HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT OR, OR NOT? I, WHAT, WHAT YOU, YOU DIDN'T MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION.
YOU MADE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
SO YOU CAN CHANGE IT TO AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION.
I DO A YOU WITHDRAW YOUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
I I RE WITHDRAW THE FRIENDLY MO, UH, AMENDMENT.
AMENDMENT AND MAKE A FRIENDLY ALTERNATES MOTION TO ACCEPT ALL OF THE CHANGES.
YEAH, IT CAN JUST BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION TO FOLLOW ALL THE CONDITIONS IS RIGHT INTO THE RECORD EXCEPT FOR STRIP OUT THE AUTO-RENEWAL.
AND WHO SECONDED THAT? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
OKAY, LET'S DIS SO THAT IS THE, UH, THE NEW MOTION ON THE TABLE.
WE'LL VOTE THAT ONE UP OR DOWN, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK.
IF ITS DENIED, WE'LL GO BACK TO THE FIRST MOTION.
SO NOW DISCUSSION ON STRIPPING OUT THE 10 YEAR, UH, THE AUTO RENEWAL PORTION.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE AMENDED MOTION.
UH, I THINK THE STAFF ITSELF RECOGNIZES THAT THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR OVER 10 YEARS, A CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER OF THIS AREA THAT MAY REQUIRE REVISITATION OF THE S U P.
UM, I, UNLIKE STAFF DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE PROCESS OF HAVING PEOPLE SUBMIT OBJECTIONS TO THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
UM, I THINK THIS IS LIKELY TO WORK OUT WELL, BUT IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO WORK OUT BADLY.
LET'S SAY WE HAVE A DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY AND A VERY SHARP INCREASE IN THE DEMAND FOR THE SERVICES THAT THIS, UH, CENTER IS GOING TO PROVIDE.
I CAN ENVISION 10 YEARS FROM NOW IT CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, UH, THAT WE AT LEAST OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND ADDRESS.
I SECOND THE MOTION SO THAT I COULD ALSO, UM, HEAR THE DISCUSSION AS I BELIEVE, UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK WANTED TO AS WELL.
UM, I DO SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, FOR MANY OF THE REASONS THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER YOUNG OUTLINED NEW REQUESTS LIKE THIS.
SOMETIMES THERE MAY JUST BE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS AND THAT GIVES AN AM PERIOD FOR IT TO BE EVALUATED AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE ANY REVISIONS THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO MAINTAIN COMPATIBILITY.
YES, I SUPPORT THE MOTION AS WELL.
AND WE'LL BACK THAT UP TOO BY THE FACT THAT I HAVE OFTEN WITH D I S D SCHOOLS WHEN THEY ARE BRAND NEW AND WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER SEEN THE OPERATION OF TMPS AND HOW THINGS ARE GONNA DO.
I HAVE ADDED TO SOME OF MY CASES THAT IT, THE FIRST 10 YEARS YOU WOULD HAVE TO STOP AND LOOK AT IT AND GIVE THE PUBLIC A CHANCE TO HAVE A VOICE AT A PUBLIC HEARING THAT IT'S WORKING.
SO I DON'T THINK THIS IS TRYING TO PENALIZE IN ANY WAY PLANO.
I THINK IT'S JUST THE NEW USE AND SEEING HOW IT OPERATES.
AND AGAIN, GIVING THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING 10 YEARS FROM NOW DOESN'T SEEM UNREASONABLE ANY RIGHT.
WAIT, SO I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SPIN.
I WAS SURPRISED THAT THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE THIS USE CASE FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
IT'S NOT RESTRICTED TO JUST WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
SO I SUPPORT LOOKING AT THIS AFTER 10 YEARS BECAUSE THEY EITHER WE HAVE A SEPARATE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT RESTRICTS THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER PORTION TO SOME PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND NOT PERMIT THEM TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ENTIRE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHICH IS, I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER HAWK'S MOTION DID.
UM, SO I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS IT BOTH WAYS, BUT I I, I DEFINITELY HAVE CONCERNS WITH THIS POTENTIAL USE CASE NOT EVER BEING REEVALUATED.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? ONE LAST COMMENT.
UM, SO I'M A FAN OF EDUCATION AND TYPICALLY WOULD BE A FAN OF ALLOWING THE SCHOOL TO COME IN AND BEGIN TO MAKE ITS WAY IN THIS NEW LOCATION.
HOWEVER, I AM ALSO, UM, THINKING IN CONCERT WITH THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS BEING THE INITIAL USE.
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IT STILL MAY BE PRUDENT FOR THEM TO COME BACK BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY MAY OR MAY NOT APPROVE OF THIS USE, OR IT MAY CHANGE IN THE FUTURE.AND I THINK AT LEAST TO COME BACK AFTER ONE YEAR OF ONE, ONE PERIOD OF RENEWALS WOULD BE GOOD SO THAT WE COULD EVALUATE IT AND THEN PASS THAT.
I MAY HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO SAY, BUT, UM, I'M, I'M FOR A, A LIMIT ON THE S U P AT LEAST INITIALLY.
I'LL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION THAT STRIPS OUT THE AUTO RENEWALS, UM, FOR MOST OF THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE AUTO-RENEWAL PROCESS SETS A VERY HIGH BAR TO TAKE NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT INTO CONSIDERATION.
YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS TO GRANT THE AUTO-RENEWAL IF THE, UM, IF, IF AT THE TIME AUTO-RENEWAL IS IS TRIGGERED, UM, THE SITE PLAN IS, UM, WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GROUND IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SITE PLAN AND THE CONDITIONS.
THERE'S REALLY NO CHANCE TO, UM, CHANGE CONDITIONS AT THAT POINT.
I THINK 10 YEARS, 10 YEAR INITIAL PERIOD IS VERY GENEROUS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ONEROUS TO, UM, HAVE THEM COME BACK AND BE REEVALUATED.
AND I ALSO FIND IT, UH, TROUBLESOME.
I DON'T EVEN THINK IT SEEMS TO BE NECESSARY BASED ON WHAT MR. CROWLEY SAID, THAT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER USE IS LIMITED TO 11,000 SQUARE FEET BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
BUT I WILL DEFINITELY BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION WITHOUT THE AUTO RENEWAL.
UM, WELL, I GUESS I'LL BE THE LOAN VOTE THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE ON A GREAT SITE.
I THINK IT'S ADEQUATELY BUFFERED FROM OTHER USES.
UH, IT'S A REGIONAL LOCATION JUST OFF THE HIGHWAY AND IT'S PLANO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT TRYING TO SERVE ITS CONSTITUENTS.
AND, UH, I DON'T SEE THAT WE NEED TO, UM, MISTRUST THAT.
AND I DON'T SEE THAT WE NEED TO ERECT MORE, UH, HIGHER BARRIERS FOR THEM TO GO, UH, DO THEIR JOB IN A VERY, VERY, UH, DIFFICULT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WITH THE, THE CULTURE AND THE, AND THE, THE, UH, THE, THE CITIES THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
SO, UH, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAUSER WRIGHT, UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE, UM, AS COMMISSIONER BLAIR POINTED OUT, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND A TRUE WRAPAROUND SERVICE IN PLANO I S D IN MY RESEARCH.
UM, LIKE THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE A PHASED APPROACH TO THE PROCESS.
AND THIS BUILDING LOOKS LIKE THE FIRST SEPARATE BUILDING FROM A SCHOOL THAT THEY'VE DONE, WHICH IS LIKE COMMISSIONER BLAIR SAID NEW.
UM, SO I AGREE WITH THE SERVICES.
TRUST ME, I, I TOTALLY THINK THE SERVICES ARE NEEDED, WHICH SHOULD MAKE THIS A EASY 10 YEAR RENEWAL.
WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A DIRECTION HERE.
SO I, I'VE JUST, UM, UH, I GUESS I'M CONFLICTED ON THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I THINK I, I COULD SUPPORT THE, THE NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL EFFECT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SCHOOL.
UM, THIS ONE IS, UH, A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER THAT I THINK IS GONNA BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S GONNA SERVICE THE KIDS OF PLANO, I S D UM, I, I KIND OF FOLLOW THE RATIONALE OF, YOU KNOW, LET'S GIVE FOLKS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK, BUT WHERE IT TRIPS ME UP AND IT TRIPS ME UP EVEN MORE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS IS, SO THIS IS A 10 YEAR PERIOD, SO WE'RE GONNA HOPE THAT THE ISSUES AND WHATEVER IT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, BE DETRIMENTAL.
THE COMMUNITY'S GONNA HAPPEN NINE AND A HALF YEARS FROM NOW, RIGHT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE, WHICH IS GONNA SIT AROUND FOR NINE YEARS WAITING FOR THEM TO COME BACK.
SO THAT'S WHERE IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT IRRATIONAL TO ME.
UM, BUT I, I SEE THE WAY OUR COLLEAGUES ARE GOING.
SO, WE'LL, UM, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE UP OF THE HEARING AND FALSE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD, NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, UH, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN.
AND THEN THE EIGHT CONDITIONS IS READ INTO THE RECORD BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK IN REGARDS TO THE CENTER, THE MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, UH, AND THE EV PARKING.
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
ON JUST THE AMENDMENT OF, OH, JUST THE AMENDMENT OF NO AUTO.
THIS IS JUST PERFECT, COMMISSIONER.
SO THEN JUST THE AMENDMENT OF NO AUTOMATIC WIN.
ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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NOW WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITHOUT THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT PLEASE? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YEAH.
UH, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO LIMITING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER TO SMALLER THAN THE, THE ENTIRE SIZE OF THE BUILDING? CUZ LIKE THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS IF, IF THERE WEREN'T THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS ENTIRE BUILDING COULD BE A COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER IF IT WERE INDEED LIMITED TO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, MR. CROWLEY WAS SAYING.
UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY BASED ON WHAT HE, I THINK WE HAVE ASKED ONE QUICK QUESTION ALREADY ON THE FLOOR HERE.
IS THAT COMMISSION, YOUR QUESTION WAS QUESTION.
I'M JUST ASKING THE PLANNER OR MR. CROWLEY, IF THERE WAS ANY, IF THEY WOULD CONSIDER, PLEASE, IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION OF LIMITING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE POTENTIAL COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER? CUZ RIGHT NOW IT SAYS 11,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
PLEASE, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT YOU'D LIKE.
UM, WELL WE'RE FORTUNATE THAT THE PERSON SITTING BEHIND ME IS THE ARCHITECT.
HE'S HERE FOR THE OTHER SCHOOL, BUT, UM, HE SAID, UM, 1200 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE THE MOST THEY WOULD EVER CONSIDER PUTTING THAT USE IN THERE.
SO, UM, IF HE FEELS CONFIDENT, I FEEL CONFIDENT OF 1200 SQUARE FEET, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO TO, THE REST OF THE USE, OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE OTHER USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT, OF COURSE.
UNLIKE A CLARIFICATION THAT GOES WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTION, BECAUSE WHEN I DID THE S U P ON HEART HOUSE, WHICH WAS FOR A CHILDCARE CENTER IN A MULTI-FAMILY, UH, I WAS TOLD THAT THE U P WENT FOR THE WHOLE SITE REGARDLESS IF IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE 800 SQUARE FEET, IT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE ENTIRE SITE.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT? THAT IS, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE AREA OF REQUEST.
IT DEPENDS ON THE AREA OF REQUEST.
DID YOU GET THE ANSWER? WHAT DID HE, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE CORRECT.
OKAY, SO IF, IF THAT'S CORRECT, THEN I BELIEVE THIS S U P IS ASSIGNED TO IS WHY IT'S ASSIGNED TO THE WHOLE BUILDING.
NOT PARTICULARLY SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN MY DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
I DON'T REM RECALL HOW THIS WAS DONE, WHERE IT SHOWED, I'VE SEEN SOME HATCHED OUT.
IT'S, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
IT NA STANDING, THE FACT THAT THE S U P IS FOR THE ENTIRE SITE, COULD WE IMPOSE A LIMITATION THAT NO MORE THAT, THAT THE S U P USE, THE COMMUNITY CENTER USE, UH, CAN OCCUPY NO MORE THAN 1200 SQUARE FEET OF THAT SITE? YES, YES.
I WOULD JUST, I JUST WANNA CHIME IN HERE AND SAY THAT COMMISSIONER HOT THINK THAT WE, WE'VE GOTTA BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT WHAT PLANS ARE AND HOW THINGS ACTUALLY GET EXECUTED, WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THE S U P AND TO REALLY REEVALUATE IT.
SO IF WE SAY, IF THE ARCHITECT IS SAYING, WELL, HEY, WOULD THEY ONLY NEED 1200 SQUARE FEET? BUT THEN BUSINESS OPERATION SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, IN TWO YEARS WE ACTUALLY NEED 1500 SQUARE FEET.
I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY, UH, LIMITING TO PUT SUCH A SMALL AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE ON SOMETHING, MAYBE WE COULD SAY UP TO 50% TO REALLY ALLOW THE, THE APPLICANT AND THE, THE PER THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE WORK TO EXPAND IF THEY NEED TO.
UM, COMMISSIONER HAWK, IS THERE ANY SENTIMENT THAT YOU'VE HEARD WHERE THE COMMUNITY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF A COMMUNITY CENTER OR A, THE RESOURCE CENTER THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE? SO, NO, I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH ANNE AS WELL AND SHE WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE AND SHE WOULD'VE BEEN HERE EXCEPT SHE HAD A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT.
SO THERE'S SUPPORT FOR THIS, FOR THIS USE.
DO YOU KNOW IF THERE IS, UM, IF, IF THE ENTIRE BUILDING NEEDED TO BE PROGRAMMED, THE ENTIRE 11,000 SQUARE FEET THAT YOU'VE QUOTED, IF IT NEEDED TO BE A COMMUNITY CENTER TO MEET THE RESOURCES IN THAT AREA, DO YOU THINK THE SENTIMENT WOULD BE BAD TOWARDS THAT NOTION? I
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DON'T GET THAT SENSE.YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HAWK ON THIS.
MY FEELING IS BECAUSE I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, FOR INSTANCE, THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH HAS BOTH A FOOD BANK AND HAS MANY OTHER SERVICES THERE.
AND CLEARLY YOU, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT HAS NOT EXPRESSED WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE 11,000 SQUARE FEET OF A FOOD BANK.
THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS.
SO I DON'T THINK, THINK WE SHOULD PUT CONSTRAINTS ON THEM BEING ABLE TO OFFER WHATEVER SERVICES THEY THINK AND HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE SHOULD BE DEVOTED TO THOSE IN THEIR PLANNING.
SO I DO SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER HAWK ON THAT.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD IMPOSE ON THEM.
IT SHOULD BE 1200 SQUARE FEET OR THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
I MEAN, IT WOULD BE LIKE MY SAYING TO MY CHILDCARE CENTER, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TURN THE WHOLE MULTI-FAMILY PLACE INTO A CHILDCARE CENTER.
SO I DO FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GIVE THAT TO THE APPLICANT TO MAKE THE DECISION WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR POPULATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STANDARD.
THIS IS A I S D FACILITY PROVIDING A MYRIAD OF SERVICES THAT ARE MUCH NEEDED.
AND WE ALREADY SAID THAT WE'RE IN FAVOR OF THE 10 YEAR, UM, LOOK ON THIS FACILITY AND ITS USE, I THINK THAT MORE THAN PROTECTS THE COMMUNITY AND, AND AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN WALKING DISTANCE FROM A FACILITY THAT IS AT LEAST AS LARGE AS THIS, THAT PROVIDES THESE TYPE OF SERVICES, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW AT WALKING PAST IT.
SO I, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THIS IS USED TO PROVIDE, UM, FOOD AND CLOTHING.
I'M, I'M ALSO IN AGREEANCE WITH THEM, UM, KNOWING HOW FINICKY IT IS AT THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE WORD COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER, IF IT'S BY S U P AND IT COULD JUST BE ONE THING THAT THEY'RE OFFERING.
SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING WRAPPED AROUND JUST THE WORDS COMMUNITY, UM, SERVICE CENTER.
AND IT'S BECAUSE SOMEONE PUT IT IN, IN, IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR PD SAYING THAT WE, THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THIS BY S U P AND, AND IT WAS A PROTECTION FACTOR.
MOST OF THE TIME WHEN IT'S BY S U IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PROTECTING THE COMMUNITY FROM BEING OVERSATURATED WITH SOMEONE JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING.
AND IN, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH D I S D DOING THE SAME THING THAT THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES HELPED THE COMMUNITY IN FOR A LONG TIME, COMMUNITIES HAVE ASKED THE SCHOOLS TO DO MORE IN SOME KIND OF WAY.
SO THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES, UM, UM, I, I DO, I, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID KINDA HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IS THE SEVEN TO SEVEN AND IS THAT BEING THE, THEY HAVE TO BE OFFERED THE PROPERTY BY SEVEN BECAUSE IF THEY'RE OFFERING SOME OF THESE WRAPAROUND SERVICES IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN THERE'S MORE, UM, LIGHT, UM, I, I I, I WANTED TO POSSIBLY SAY TO NINE, UM, JUST TO GIVE THAT CUSHION.
UM, BECAUSE IN THE SUMMER WE, THEY USE MORE RESOURCES CUZ CHILDREN ARE OUTTA SCHOOL.
SO NINE O'CLOCK KIND OF BUFFER CUZ IT'S STILL PRETTY MUCH NIGHTTIME AT NINE.
I KNOW MAYBE IF THAT COULD BE A, A CONSIDERATION OR AME, UH, AMENDMENT.
TELL ME HOW TO SAY IT AND I'LL SAY IT.
COMMISSIONER HAWK, I THINK, UH, YOU HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
IS IT TO EXPAND THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM SEVEN TO NINE? YES.
UM, WHEN WE HAVE MORE LIGHT OUTSIDE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S SEVEN IN THE WINTER, BUT, UH, MOST OF THE, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING WRAPAROUND SERVICES, THEY'RE GONNA BE A SUMMERTIME IS WHEN IT'S GONNA PROBABLY HIT THE BUCK OF ACCEPT IT.
WE DO HAVE ACCEPTED THE, UH, FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO EXPAND THE HOURS ALL OPERATION FROM SEVEN TO NINE.
UM, I ALSO SUPPORT THE USE THAT PLANO ISD HAS FOR THIS FACILITY.
UM, BOTH MY KIDS ARE A D I S D WRAPAROUND SERVICES ARE CRITICALLY NEEDED FOR SCHOOLS.
IF WE'RE GONNA EXTEND THE HOURS LATER, I'M JUST WORRIED THAT THE KIDS DON'T HAVE A GREEN SPACE TO PLAY ON.
MAYBE THERE'S A PLAYGROUND THAT GOES IN OR SOMETHING ELSE, BUT AGAIN, I WILL, I WILL SUPPORT THE USE CASE, UH, FOR, FOR THIS BUILDING.
WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUPPORT, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELERS BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT REC CENTERS, FOR INSTANCE, THEY STAY OPEN.
I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED NINE, BUT THEY SORT OF SHUT DOWN AT EIGHT.
AT LEAST THAT'S LONGER WITH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME.
AND A LOT OF KIDS, YOU KNOW, WORK IN THE AFTERNOONS
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AND THEY MIGHT NEED THE COUNSELING IN THE EVENING, IN THE SUMMERS, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY CAN GO.SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
IF COMMISSIONER HAWK IS IN AGREEMENT, CHARITY AND CHARITY GREEN.
COMMISSIONER BELAIR, MY APOLOGIES.
I AGREE WITH THE WHOLE FACILITY BEING A COMMUNITY SERVICES CENTER.
UM, WE NEED THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH, IN THE ENVIRONMENT WE LIVE IN TODAY.
UM, SO I, AND I AM ALSO IN AGREEMENT IN EXTENDING THE HOURS OF OPERATION, WHETHER IT BE EIGHT, A 8:00 PM OR 9:00 PM IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
UM, I THINK THAT WHETHER THIS IS LIMITED TO JUST PLANO, I S D OR THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH IT SITS, IT'S GIVING SERVICES MUCH NEEDED SERVICES THAT WE DON'T HAVE TODAY.
SO I AM TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT, WITH, WITH IT BEING, UM, EXTENDED TO ALL OF THE BUILDING.
UH, ALIGNED WITH COMMISSIONER TREAD WADE'S QUESTION ABOUT GREEN SPACE OR A PLAYGROUND OR WHATNOT, IF THAT WAS CONSIDERED, UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF DEC DECIDUOUS TREE ON THE SOUTH SIDE FACING THAT PARK SO THAT, THAT THE KIDS DON'T GET BURNED UP IN THE HEAT.
UH, I GUESS I JUST A AGREE WITH ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, UH, AND SAY, UH, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY FOR MORE THAN JUST PLANO ASD STUDENTS.
UH, THESE SERVICES THAT, UH, PLANO ASD STUDENTS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, BENEFIT ALL OF US, FRANKLY.
SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT MOTION, AND I, I, I THINK I DON'T HEAR ANY FURTHER FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS IN TERMS OF LIVING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
OR, OR DO WE HAVE ONE? SO DO WE HAVE THE, THE CURRENT MOTION STANDS ON THE FLOOR EXCEPT WITH THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, THAT WAS ACCEPTED BY COMMISSIONER HAWK IN REGARDS TO ADJUSTING THE HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 7:00 AM TO 9:00 PM SO THAT IS A MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANDERSON? IT WAS, YES, IT WAS COM MOTION.
I GOT MY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
LET'S TAKE OUR FIRST 10 MINUTE BREAK COMMISSIONERS.
WE'RE GETTING BACK ON THE RECORD.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO CASE NUMBER FIVE Z 212.
ITEM FIVE, CASE C 212 DASH 3 54.
AN APPLICATION FOR A DA DUPLEX SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SYDNEY STREET, NORTHEAST OF SECOND AVENUE STAFF'S.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MULESI, THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS ANISH THARA, UH, 32 0 8 COLE AVENUE, 75 204.
UM, I AM THE APPLICANT AND THE BUILDER, UH, SORRY.
CAN I PAUSE MY TIE,
WE'LL, JUST THE STRUCTURE, WE'LL PAUSE UNTIL WE GET THAT GOING.
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OKAY.UM, TO START WITH, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A DEED RESTRICTION ON, UH, 20 FOOT SETBACK.
I KNOW THAT WAS A BIG, BIG, UH, ITEM IN THE DISCUSSION PRIOR TO THAT.
SO HERE IS, UH, WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED FOR THIS, THIS LOT.
UM, AT COMMISSIONER WHEELER, REGAN'S SUGGESTION, UH, WE DESIGNED IT WITH BOTH DOORS FACING FORWARD.
SO THE, THE, THE, BOTH, THE, THIS TWO DUPLEX, I MEAN A DUPLEX, SO BOTH FOUR DOORS ARE FACING THE STREET, WHICH REALLY GIVES IT A FEEL OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON, ON THE STREET.
SO WE ALSO DID A BRICK FACADE AND A PITCH ROOF, UNLIKE A LOT OF THE HOUSES GOING IN RIGHT NOW THERE WITH THE FLAT ROOF, WHICH REALLY DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE, IT, I FEEL IT, UM, I FEEL IT, UH, REALLY FITS IN WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE'RE ALSO SELLING BOTH UNITS AND WE'RE TARGETING 80 TO ONE 20% AMI BUYERS.
SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE FOR BOTH UNITS.
NEITHER OF 'EM GONNA BE A RENTAL RENTALS.
UM, CAN YOU, UH, OH, HERE WE GO.
SO HERE'S KIND OF AN OVERVIEW.
I KNOW THIS WAS INCLUDED IN, UH, THE PACKET, UH, FROM STAFF.
UM, SO AS YOU CAN SEE ACROSS THE STREET, UM, EVERYTHING'S UNDEVELOPED.
65% OF THIS STREET IS UNDEVELOPED, SO IT'S NOT REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S REALLY SET ON MULTI, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AT THE MOMENT.
UM, FI LESS THAN 500 FEET AWAY ON HANCOCK.
THERE'S A WHOLE STREET OF DUPLEXES.
AND WHEN, WHEN, UH, THE QUESTION OF BLOCK FACE, I KNOW IF IT'S REALLY SMALL RIGHT HERE, BUT THERE'S THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO MY, THE LOT, UM, IS SET FORWARD FROM THE REST OF THE STREET.
SO THE BLOCK FACE IS ALREADY, UH, NON-CONFORMING BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT THAT HOUSE IS FORWARD VERSUS THE HOUSE IS ON THE LEFT OF MY LOT ON THE RIGHT.
ALL THOSE HOUSES ARE SET BACK, SO THE BLOCK FACE IS ALREADY NONCONFORMING.
UM, UM, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I'M OPEN TO DE RESTRICTIONS AND, UH, CONSIDERING DESIGN AND, UM, UH, THE PRICING AND OBVIOUSLY A 20 FOOT SETBACK.
AND, UM, I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.
UH, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON WHAT DEED RESTRICTION YOU'RE OFFERING AS THE SETBACK? SURE.
UM, ANOTHER, WHAT I WAS SITTING IN ON THE PRIOR DISCUSSION, AND, BUT, AND, AND, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING WAS 25 FEET VERSUS 20.
WELL, BUT HERE'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
SO, SO WHAT ARE YOU OFFERING THAT YOU WILL SET BACK AT LEAST 20 FEET? UH, WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSE? YEAH.
BUT IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSES.
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD A HOUSE WITH A 20 FOOT SETBACK UNDER THE ZONING THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? THAT'S, WELL, I WASN'T AWARE.
THE ZONING YOU'RE ASKING FOR HAS A 25 FOOT SETBACK.
SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WOULD BE TRUE, THAT THE DEEP RESTRICTION THAT YOU'LL BE AT LEAST 20 FEET BACK DOESN'T OKAY.
UM, ONE FOLLOW, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE ARE DUPLEXES, UM, IN A NEARBY BLOCK.
ARE THOSE ZONED AS DUPLEX OR ARE THEY ZONED AS MULTI-FAMILY? OR, EXCUSE ME, SINGLE FAMILY.
CURRENTLY, SOME THEY ARE ZONED AS, UH, DUPLEX.
SOME OF 'EM, SOME OF THEM HAVE VOLUNTARILY.
WHEN YOU DRIVE THE STREET, YOU CAN SEE HOW ONE SIDE HAS BEEN, UH, CLOSED OFF.
BUT YOU CAN SEE AT ONE POINT THERE WERE DUPLEXES.
BUT ON HANCOCK, ON THAT STREET, THERE ARE DUPLEXES.
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I'M GONNA LOOK OVER HERE FIRST.ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER? WHAT? UH, THINK SHE GOT ME FIRST.
SO CAN YOU NOT DO THE DEED RESTRICTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT MORE RESTRICTIVE, IT'S ACTUALLY LESS RESTRICTIVE.
IS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF A QUESTION FOR ME.
UM, YOU, YOU CAN ONLY GO MORE RESTRICTIVE WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS.
SO HE COULD INCREASE THE 25 FOOT SETBACK TO 30 FEET, 50 FEET, WHATEVER.
UM, BUT AS COMMISSIONER YOUNG NOTED, UM, A 20 FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT BASE CODE REQUIRES.
THAT'S, SORRY FOR THAT CONFUSION.
THAT'S, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT COMMISSION YOUNG HAD SAID.
SO FOR THE APPLICANT, WHAT, CAN YOU PUT BACK UP A PICTURE AND JUST WALK US THROUGH MAYBE WHAT ARE THE EXISTING SETBACKS ALONGSIDE, YOU KNOW, THIS, I MEAN, I HAVEN'T, I DIDN'T, I HAVEN'T MEASURED IT, BUT WAIT, SORRY.
BECAUSE CAUSE SO, I MEAN, UH, SORRY, GO AHEAD.
SO THE, WHERE THE LINE IS, THAT'S WHERE THE SUBJECT LOT IS.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, THAT HOUSE THERE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN KIND OF TELL THE LEFT, THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT IS SET FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY THE, THE FOOTAGE THERE, BUT THAT'S SET WAY FORWARD THEN COMPARED TO THE HOUSES ON THE, ON THE RIGHT.
SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU ORIENT ME A LITTLE BIT BETTER? WHERE'S THE PLACE, DO YOU SEE THE CIRCLE? IT SAYS UNDEVELOPED, CORRECT? ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S A LINE THAT SAYS WITH THE ADDRESS, CORRECT.
SO ON THE LEFT SIDE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LOT IS, IS A HOUSE.
AND THAT'S SITTING A LOT MORE FORWARD THAN THE HOUSE IS ON THE RIGHT OF THE LOT.
SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE'S NOT ALREADY A CONTINUOUS LOT LINE, CORRECT.
THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, THE POINTHOUSE MAN.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, THEN COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, PLEASE.
SO, SO THE LOT LINE, UM, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES, THAT ONE PARTICULAR HOUSE DOES NOT SIT BACK, BUT THE, THE MINOR HOUSES DO SIT BACK IN THAT 20%.
UM, AND THE DUPLEXES IS, BUT ISN'T THE DUPLEXES NOT IN ON THAT STREET? IT IS CORRECT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT 500 AND THOSE, AND THAT'S A LINE OF DUPLEXES IN THAT, IN, IN THAT AREA.
BUT IN THE MAJORITY OF THAT AREA, THEY DO.
AND THOSE DUPLEXES ARE CONTINUANCE.
THEY'RE NOT, THERE'S NOT A BREAK EXCEPT FOR THOSE THAT, UH, MAYBE THE OWNERS HAD TRANS TRANSFERRED BACK OVER TO SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT IN, IN, IN THE AREA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
IT'S ABOUT WHO THE, THE, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE STREET WHERE HANCOCK WITH THE STREET WITH THE DUPLEX IS ABOUT 500 FEET, BUT IT'S NOT 500 FEET FROM THE DISTANCE WHERE THE DUPLEX IS STARTED.
IT'S NOT 500 FEET FROM WHERE THE DUPLEX IS STARTED.
AM I CORRECT? IT'S NOT WHERE, WHERE THE, IT'S NOT SO FROM YOUR PROPERTY LYING TO WHERE YOU'RE TALKING, WHERE THERE'S DUPLEXES IN THE AREA THERE, IT IS NOT 500, WITHIN 500 FEET.
UH, UH, I MEAN, I MEASURED IT ON GOOGLE, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, THAT WAS, THAT PULLED OFF FROM GOOGLE, GOOGLE EARTH.
SO, BUT IN THAT PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, BUT EVEN WITH THAT SETBACK, IF YOU PUT THE DUPLEX, IT MAKES ALL, EVEN THE HOUSES THAT SIT BACK FURTHER, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE END OF THE STREET, UM, IT MAKES THOSE BECOME NONCONFORMING.
SO EVEN THOUGH THE ONE THAT SITS UP FURTHER, YOU WILL, YOU ARE FURTHER MAKE THE ONES THAT THAT SIT BACK, UM, THAT DO SIT BACK 20 FEET NONCONFORMING IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE A DUPLEX.
AM I CORRECT? MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO ASK STAFF.
SO EVEN WITH THAT ONE HOUSE THAT SITS NEXT TO THE LOT BEING CLOSER, UH, WHEN I CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S 20 FEET AND THE OTHER ONE SITTING, ARE WE THE STAFF QUESTIONS OR ARE WE STILL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? WE'RE STILL ONLY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO, SO JUST BASED OFF OF GOOGLE, BUT THE DUPLEXES ARE NOT IN THAT PART.
IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY NEXT.
I JUST WANNA POINT OUT JUST IT'S MORE THAN 500 FEET AND THEY'RE CONTINUING.
WE'LL COME BACK TO, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
AND THIS IS MAY BE FOR STAFF FOR, FOR, FOR YOU MR. MULKEY, THE HOUSE THAT'S SITTING UP FRONT, I GUESS OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
IS THERE A WAY TO SEE IF THAT ONE
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WAS ZONED THAT WAY OR IF THEY GOT A VARIANCE OR DID THEY JUST BUILD THE HOUSE AND NOBODY CAUGHT 'EM AND THEY'RE LIVING IN IT? I'D PREFER TO HOLD ALL STAFF QUESTIONS TILL THE STAFF WE'RE KIND OF SKIPPING AROUND AND I, I DIDN'T FOLLOW MY OWN RULE THAT I'M SETTING.SO I'M SORRY YOU GUYS, IF YOU COULD JUST, YEAH, LET, LET'S, UH, LET'S COME BACK TO, TO RYAN AND LET'S HAVE JUST QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT AT THE MOMENT AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I'M LOOKING AT YOUR PICTURE HERE, YOUR SITE PLAN.
AND, UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY AN, AN INTERESTING PART OF TOWN IN THAT, UH, SYDNEY THERE.
IN FACT, IF YOU, UH, WHAT IS THAT STREET RIGHT THERE? THE STREET THERE ON, ON YOUR SLIDE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE, UH, THAT'S NOT HIGGINS.
RIGHT THERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE.
SO IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU TURN ON FROM HUEY ONTO YOUR STREET ON SYDNEY STREET, AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT HERE ACTUALLY, BUT YOU CAN'T DRIVE SYDNEY'S STREET ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
IN FACT, THERE'S A, THERE'S LIKE A, A GREEN EASEMENT THERE, RIGHT? ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THAT I DON'T KNOW.
I CAN'T, I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT? I DON'T HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF OF EASEMENT? YEAH.
IF YOU, IF YOU GET ON SYDNEY RIGHT? AND YOU DRIVE THROUGH IT ACTUALLY DEAD ENDS.
SO LIKE, IT SEEMS LIKE A GREEN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING THERE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE TO GO AROUND TO GET BACK ON SYDNEY TURN AND THEN YOU'LL HIT HANCOCK, RIGHT.
YOU HAVE TO GO, COME, COME BACK AROUND AND ACTUALLY SYDNEY PICKS UP AGAIN.
WHERE THE, WHERE THE CLUB IS? YEAH.
IN FACT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SAME STREET.
SEPARATED BY THIS GREEN EASEMENT.
I THINK THERE'S A MULTI-FAMILY OVER THERE.
WELL, THERE'S A, THE INFAMOUS CLUB.
AND MULTI-FAMILY ON SYDNEY ON THAT OTHER SIDE.
SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET CONTEXT HERE WHERE THAT'S WHERE THE WAY EL C FEY IS ON THAT WHERE, WHERE IT MEETS, UM, THE, WHERE, WHERE THE DART RAIL IS OVER THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT ON, ON THIS PORTION, BEFORE YOU GET TO THAT GREEN EASEMENT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S, IT'S PRETTY UNIFORM ON BOTH SIDES.
THERE'S, THEY'RE JUST THOSE, THE SMALLER LOTS.
IN FACT, I BELIEVE THERE'S ALREADY SOME, SOME CONSTRUCTION THERE ON THAT STREET.
WELL, THEY'RE ALL ABOUT 6,007 TIMES SQUARE FEET, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO THE, THE DUPLEX THERE IS NOT ON THE OTHER, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT GREEN EASEMENT, BUT IT'S ON ANOTHER STREET.
YEAH, THE ONES THAT ARE ON YOUR SIDE.
IT'S ON, IT'S ACTUALLY ON HANCOCK.
I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I THREW OUT THERE.
NO, I, I SEE THERE, THERE, THERE IS SOME IN THE AREA TO SUPPORT MY CASE.
I JUST PUTTING IT INTO CONTEXT, I APPRECIATE IT.
UM, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE HANCOCK STREET.
I THINK ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SPOKE UP EARLIER ABOUT WHEN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE DESIGNED.
THE INTERIOR WERE FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND THOSE OUTER SKIRTS WERE FOR, UH, DUPLEXES.
AND THAT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE ON HANCOCK.
UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UM, SINGLE FAMILY AND IF NOT, WHY? YEAH, I, I BUILD OTHER SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES WHERE WE ARE BUILDING LAND TRANSFER PROPERTIES, ALL SINGLE FAMILY.
I HAVE, UM, I BOUGHT THIS LOT FROM THE SHARE SALE.
I THINK I OVERPAID FOR IT A LITTLE BIT.
OFF FROM SHARE OF SALE AND, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO TELL ME NONE OF MY BUSINESS, I'M SORRY, BUT NO, NO.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY, A GOOD WAY TO EASE THAT IS TO SPREAD THAT PRICE OUT OVER TWO HOU TWO, TWO UNITS.
SO YOU CAN BRING DOWN THE HOU THE, THE COST OF THE HOUSES, UM, A LOT MORE.
THAT'S WHY I CAN, I CAN SPREAD THAT OVER TWO UNITS AND BRING IT DOWN TO TWO 50 OR UNDER.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE.
AND MY FOLLOW UP IS, DO YOU HAVE PLANS FOR FUTURE BUILDING AROUND THAT AREA? YEAH.
YOU'LL PROBABLY BE SEEING ME ALONG MORE MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
UH, THAT'S BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS SPECIFIC, UH, REQUEST.
UM, SO EVEN THOUGH THAT YOU, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT THERE IS, UM, SOME OLDER MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH IS APARTMENT COMPLEX.
IT'S A COUPLE OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
WHAT IS BEING, WHAT IS THE, UH, IN THAT AREA? DID YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ACTUAL PLAN FOR THAT AREA? DID YOU LOOK AT THE HATCH STREET PLAN? HATCHER PLAN? YES.
I, I READ IT, UM, ONCE I GOT THE STAFF REPORT AND, YOU KNOW, UM, MR.
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MOKI MENTIONED THAT I DID, AND ONE OF THE ITEMS IN THERE IS, UM, MENTIONED WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF, YOU KNOW, MORE FLEXIBLE ZONING TO BRING IN MORE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING.SO I THINK THAT KIND OF SUPPORTS MY REQUEST.
UM, LET ME GIMME A SECOND CUZ I DON'T RECALL.
WE JUST WENT OVER THAT WITH ANOTHER, JUST HAD TO DO THAT WITH ANOTHER CASE.
LET ME RE OF COURSE COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
LET'S GIVE IT A SHOT TO THE APPLICANT.
WHY NOT COMMISSIONER STANDARD
I'M SURE DANIEL WILL BE JUMPING ON ME.
SO YOU SAID, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING.
WAS YOUR THINKING, CUZ I HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE GOING TO, YOU WERE DEVELOPING IT, YOU WANTED TO SELL BOTH SIDES.
AND THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SELL THEM AT AM FFI RATES AT 80 TO ONE 20 AMMI, UH, INCOME BAN.
SO WE'LL QUALIFY THE, THE, OKAY.
IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR TO, HERE'S MY QUESTION.
WOULD A SINGLE FAMILY NOT QUALIFY FOR AM FI WELL, THE, I'M JUST CURIOUS, CAN I ASK THAT QUESTION? DANIEL
I MIGHT, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU, I MEAN, I GUESS THE, WHAT I'M GETTING TO BY MY QUESTION IS THIS, WAS HE BUILDING A DUPLEX BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY HE COULD QUALIFY FOR THE AM F I CONDITIONS? NO, LET'S SAY THAT ONE FIRST.
IS THAT A STAFF QUESTION? THAT'S WHAT I WANTED.
YES, I CAN THAT, BUT THANK YOU.
SORRY, UNNO, IF I'M ALLOWED TO ANSWER THAT.
SORRY, BUT I CAN'T ANSWER THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
SO THE HE STREET PLAN IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.
IT IS MORE ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT IN A T O D AROUND THAT AREA.
SO, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS TO DEVELOP A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WITH DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF IT.
THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDERS THAT ARE BUILDING IN THAT NA NOT THE MAJORITY, ALL THE BUILDERS THAT ARE BUILDING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE ALL BUILDING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES RIGHT NOW.
AND SO THE CONSIDERATION IS THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, COULD TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION AND HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, TO FIND OUT WHETHER THEY WOULD SUPPORT IT ALSO.
AND AFTER TALKING WITH STAFF, I DID ASK STAFF, BUT STAFF SAID THEY DON'T NECESSARILY TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATE RATE.
THEY COULD, THEY LOOK AT, BUT THAT IS NOT THE DECIDING FACTOR, RIGHT.
AND, UM, THAT PARTICULAR AREA NOW IS, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, THE HATCHER STREET STATION PLAN HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY STAFF IN SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AND I, THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE VERY SERIOUS NOW AND TAKING CONSIDERATION THAT PLAN.
UM, PERSONALLY I HAVE NEVER PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO THAT PLAN UNTIL THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
I'VE ALWAYS WATCHED PD 5 95 AS A WHOLE, BUT THERE'S A PLAN FOR THAT AREA.
AND, AND, AND SO HAVE YOU, DID YOU TALK TO ANY OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING THAT HOUSE? I MEAN THAT PROPERTY, THAT PARTICULAR PLANT? SO, SO I DID TRY TO LOOK FOR COMMUNITY AND I THINK WE SPOKE ABOUT IT, UM, IS IT CAN BE DIFFICULT UNLESS IT'S MILL CITY OR BEAND TO FIND PEOPLE TO, OTHER THAN KNOCKING ON INDIVIDUAL DOORS, WHICH I DID NOT DO UNDERSTANDABLY.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHERE MILL CITY COMMUNITY MEETING IS BERTRAN, BUT I WAS NOT SURE, TO BE HONEST.
BUT THE ROSE GARDEN COMMUNITY IS, EXCUSE ME, IT'S THE ROSE GARDEN COMMUNITY.
THEY'VE BEEN ACTIVE FOR THE LAST TWO, ESPECIALLY THE LAST TWO MONTHS THEY'VE, THEY'VE BEEN TO, IT'S A BUNCH OF MEETINGS.
SO MY CONSIDERATION IS BECAUSE OF, OF THERE IS, EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE OLDER DUPLEXES IN THE AREA, DID YOU KNOCK ON THE DOORS OF THOSE WHO ARE DIRECTLY AROUND THERE? THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE HOUSES ON THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A SMALL STREET, IT'S ABOUT FIVE HOUSES.
I DID NOT, THEY WOULD BE DIRECTLY IMPACTED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER WHEELER? NO.
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IN, SO DURING THE COURSE OF YOU, UM, UM, LOOKING AT DENIAL OF WHETHER TO APPROVE, DID YOU, YOU, DID YOU ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE MULTI-FAMILY, THEY ARE IN THE AREA THAT HAS BEEN THERE AND ALSO THAT THERE WAS DUPLEXES IN PROXIMITY, UM, MAYBE A STREET OVER.DID YOU TAKE THAT INTO PROXIMITY AND STILL, UM, BUT THE, AND ALSO DID YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE, THE HATCHER STREET, UH, THE HATCH HATCHER STATION PLAN AND WHAT IS BEING BUILT, WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT IN THE AREA? OR DID YOU, UM, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL YOU TAKING CONSIDERATION, BUT I DO KNOW THAT STAFF HAS BEEN MAKING RECOMMENDATION JUST NOT IN THIS, IN OTHER CASES LATELY.
AND IT'S ALL BEEN GOING BACK TO THAT HATCHER STREET PLAN, THE HATCHER STATION PLAN, AND THEN THE HATCHER STATION PLAN.
I THINK IT WAS MORE ABOUT THE WALKABILITY AND NOT, AND NOT SO MUCH MIXED USE HOUSING.
SO I WANTED TO, UM, PULL UP THE ZONING MAP.
UM, THIS ORANGE, UH, RECTANGLE RIGHT HERE IS THIS REQUEST.
UM, SHE DID HAVE POINTED OUT SOME PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SOME MULTI-FAMILY USES ON ITEM.
I THINK THEY'RE AT THIS INTERSECTION.
THIS IS STILL SYDNEY OVER HERE, UM, OLDER HOUSE.
THERE MAY BE MULTI-FAMILY USES THERE TODAY.
UM, THIS IS ZONED A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95.
UM, SO IT'S PROBABLE THAT THEY, THOSE USES THAT EXIST ARE NON-CONFORMING WITH THE CURRENT ZONING.
UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT ALSO POINTED OUT, I THINK IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY, PERHAPS ON THIS STREET, UM, THERE WERE SOME EXISTING DUPLEX USES.
THAT AREA IS ZONED IN R FIVE A SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95.
SO THOSE USES MAY EXIST, BUT IT'S PROBABLE THAT THEY ARE NONCONFORMING UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING JUST TO KIND OF CLARIFY THOSE THINGS.
UM, AND THEN AS FAR AS, UM, STAFF'S REVIEW, UM, LIKE I SAID THIS MORNING, THE, THE BASIS OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS ZONING AND LAND USE ONLY.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECOMMENDING DENIAL BECAUSE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT AND THE DUPLEX USE WE FEEL ARE NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY USES AND THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT AND THE AREA.
UM, AND, AND AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, AREA PLANS, COMP PLANS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF CAN SUPPORT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THEY CAN'T BE THE BASIS OF THAT.
THE HATCHER STATION AREA PLAN ACTUALLY DOES SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL BECAUSE THIS PORTION OF THE STUDY AREA OF THAT PLAN ON THAT LAND USE CONCEPT PLAN I SHOWED THIS MORNING IS RECOMMENDED FOR ESSENTIALLY SINGLE FAMILY USES.
UM, AND THEN THE APPLICANT HIMSELF MENTIONED SOME OTHER, UM, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE CASE REPORT.
THOSE DON'T COME FROM THE HATCHER STATION AREA PLAN.
THOSE ARE FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLUS PLAN, WHICH ARE CITYWIDE.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD HAD A QUESTION ABOUT IN COMBATANT.
I HAVE A QUE I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THE DUPLEXES, HOW THEY GOT THERE.
AND SO THEY'RE THERE FOR WHATEVER REASONS, BUT THE ZONING HASN'T CHANGED.
MY NEXT QUESTION IS, I NOTICED ON THE STREET WHERE THE NEAREST COMMERCIAL IS ON SECOND AVENUE.
THAT FRONT SECOND AVENUE, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT NEXT TO SYDNEY AND SECOND AVENUE.
HOW IS THAT LOT ZONED? LET ME PUT ON THE AERIAL IMAGE IMAGERY, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.
OUR MAP RIGHT NOW DOESN'T HAVE STREET LABELS AND IT CAN MAKE THINGS CONFUSING.
UH, THIS WHITE LINE HERE IS SYDNEY STREET.
THIS IS SECOND AVENUE, UHHUH
AND UM, AND THERE'S EXISTING STUFF, BUT AT THE CORNER OF SYDNEY YOU'LL SEE IT'S UNDEVELOPED, I BELIEVE SYDNEY AND SECOND SYDNEY.
AND SECOND, WHAT IS THAT ZONE THERE? I'M JUST CURIOUS.
THAT IS ZONED A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PD 5 95.
SO A COMMUNITY, I'M, I'M BEING THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, A COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL IS 1, 2, 3, 4 DOORS DOWN IN A SINGLE FAMILY.
HERE GOES TO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS CONTROVERSIAL.
I KNOW IT'S YOUR FAVORITE BUZZWORD MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'VE TALKED, I I GET IT, I GET THE LAND USE, I GET THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY THING.
IT'S ENCROACHING I UNDERSTAND ON FOUR SIDES.
BUT I ALSO REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THE WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT AND STAFF DID PUTTING IN QUADROPLEX AND DUPLEXES, NOT JUST ON THE CORNERS, BUT A LOT OF PLACES.
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I GUESS I'M GOING WITH KIND OF WHERE THIS FITS IN ON THAT.I KNOW THAT'S A ROUNDABOUT QUESTION.
SO, UM, YEAH, LIKE I KIND OF EXPOUNDED ON THIS MORNING.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH THAT OUR TEAM, THE ZONING TEAM CAN DO WITH SOME OF THAT, I'LL CALL IT THOUGHT LEADERSHIP.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS CASE BY CASE INCREMENTAL, UM, THE DIRECTION.
SO I THINK THERE WAS GONNA BE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THIS LATER, BUT I'M NOT THE INTERIM PLANNING MANAGER ANYMORE.
SO LET ME TAKE OFF MY, YEAH, THANK YOU.
MY SENIOR PLANNER CAP ON AND PUT MY PLANNING MANAGER CAP ON.
UM, THE DIRECTION THAT WE AS A GROUP WOULD LIKE TO BE HEADED NOW THAT WE ARE WITHIN THE PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN DEPARTMENT IS TO USE OUR INCREMENTAL WORK AND OUR CASES THAT WE DO TO HOPEFULLY TIE MORE INTO LONGER RANGE PLANNING CONSIDERATIONS AND SOME OF THAT THOUGHT LEADERSHIP PROVIDED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL STAY IN OUR LANE, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LEGAL RESTRICTIONS, UM, PUT ON US.
UM, SO THERE'S LIKE, BACK TO MY POINT, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO WITH A SINGLE ZONING CASE FOR A SINGLE LOT TO REALLY INFLUENCE SOME OF THOSE BIGGER DECISIONS.
WE HAVE TO GO WITH THE TOOLS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TODAY, UM, WHICH DO LEAD US TO THIS RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
UM, BUT I DID DO SOME CONSIDERATION IN THE CASE REPORT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME BIGGER GOALS POSSIBLY AT PLAY HERE THAT DON'T COINCIDE WITH THE, THE LIMITED PURVIEW THAT OUR TEAM CAN HAVE.
ONE LAST QUESTION, AND IT'S A QUICK ONE.
IF THIS PARTICULAR LOT, AND I AM BEING THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE, WE'RE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT COMMERCIAL SPOT, WOULD IT BE A DIFFERENT DETERMINATION OR WOULD IT STILL BE IF THAT ZONE SINGLE FAMILY, ITS OWN SINGLE FAMILY POTENTIALLY? UM, BECAUSE IT IS ON THE EDGE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THERE MAY STILL BE SOME OF THAT BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY STUFF, UM, THAT, THAT, UH, INTERFERES.
UM, BUT THAT COULD BE A PRETTY COMPELLING REASON.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL, BUT, BUT YEAH, BECAUSE I DO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE IS SURROUNDED BY FOUR SINGLE, THIS IS MID BLOCK.
AND DID YOU WANNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE, UH, THE INCOME BANS? INCOME BANS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF? OKAY.
UM, SO I'M GONNA SAY THAT MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THAT WE PROBABLY CAN'T DISCUSS THAT.
UM, BECAUSE THE ONLY, UM, TOOL THAT ZONING HAS THE CITY OF DALLAS TODAY TO DISCUSS THOSE INCOME BANS IS THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, WHICH CURRENTLY ONLY APPLIES TO MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, THERE ARE FINANCING OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOME OWNERSHIP, UM, THAT ARE DONE THROUGH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT I'M GONNA DECLINE TO COMMENT ON THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT TIED TO ZONING AS OF TODAY.
UM, I THINK COMMISSIONER STANDARD BRINGS UP A VERY IMPORTANT POINT, UM, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS IT REAL QUICK WITH YOU.
UH, AND THAT'S IN TERMS OF THE, THE WORD THAT SHE USED, THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND FACT, SHE MENTIONED ROCA, AND THERE'S SOME AREA PLANS HERE THAT YOU REFERENCED IN YOUR, IN YOUR CASE REPORT, AND IT'S JUST, ISN'T THAT ALMOST THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT LENGTH HERE? UH, OVER SEVERAL VERY LENGTHY MEETINGS ABOUT HOW THOSE PLANS IN FACT ARE 30,000 FOOT, 20,000 FOOT, 10,000 FOOT.
AND WHAT THEY DON'T SAY IS, WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOT LEVEL, YOU SHOULD DO X.
IT'S, IT, WHAT THEY SAY IS WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE LOT LEVEL WHERE THE CURB CUTS ARE, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER THIS 30,000 SQUARE FOOT, 30,000 FOOT LEVEL THING.
AND WHEN THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, THE, IF YOU READ MAYBE SOME OF THE PLANTS SURROUNDING IT, THEY MIGHT LEAD YOU TO THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING.
BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO THE LOT LEVEL WHERE THE CURB CUTS ARE, STAFF TOOK A LOOK AND SAID, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T QUITE MAKE SENSE HERE.
SO YOUR QUESTION REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN WHAT'S USUALLY CALLED CURRENT PLANNING AND LONG RANGE PLANNING.
UH, LONG RANGE PLANNING FOR THE MOST PART IS GUIDELINES, WHEREAS CURRENT PLANNING IS REGULATIONS LIKE WRITTEN IN BLACK AND WHITE ON PAPER.
THIS IS HOW WE REGULATE THIS PROPERTY.
UM, REGULATIONS ARE A LOT MORE BLACK AND WHITE THAN GUIDELINES.
SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
UH, YES, I WANT TO ASK ABOUT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL IT DOES INDEED, IT IS INDEED CLOSER TO THE FRONT LOT LINE THAN 20 FEET.
UM, LOOKING AT DECA, THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1978 AND LOOKING AT PD 5 95 THAT WAS PASSED IN 2001.
UM, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT PRIOR TO PD 5 95, MOST OF THIS AREA WAS OWNED INDUSTRIAL, WHICH, UH, PRIOR TO 1987 WAS CUMULATIVE.
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CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.AND IT HAS LITTLE OR NOTHING IN THE WAY OF FRONT SET, FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
SO THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN EXPLANATION FOR HOW THAT HOUSE CAME TO BE AS CLOSE TO THE STREET AS IT IS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
PIGGYBACKING OFF OF WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG HAS SAID, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE TYPE OF AREAS FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WE HAVE NONCONFORMANCE ISSUES, UM, AND I DON'T WANNA SAY ISSUES, I WANNA SAY NONCONFORMANCE CONCERNS, CONCERNS,
IT DEPENDS, YOU KNOW, UM, I, A MORE GENERAL ANSWER I CAN GIVE YOU IS WE TYPICALLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND CREATING NONCONFORMITIES.
UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WENT FURTHER.
IF THEY, IF LIKE COMMISSIONER YOUNG SAID THAT WAY BACK WHEN THIS WAS ALL INDUSTRIAL MM-HMM.
AND THEN THAT'S DEVELOPMENTS THAT'S ALWAYS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME YOU, UM, YOU KNOW, DO A MAJOR OVERHAUL OF YOUR CODE LIKE WAS DONE IN 1987 OR YOU ESTABLISH A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT FOR AN ENTIRE AREA LIKE WAS DONE WITH PD 5 95, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THERE IS, THERE ARE MORE THAN OFTEN THAN NOT GOING TO BE SOME NONCONFORMITIES THAT ARE CREATED.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE LANGUAGE FOR NON-CONFORMING USES IN OUR CODE, UM, IS TO DEAL WITH THOSE SITUATIONS AS THEY ARISE.
UM, MOST OF NON-CONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURES AND EVERYTHING IS, IS REALLY DETERMINED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT IN TWO GREAT DETAIL, BUT FOR OUR TEAM, UM, WE HAVE A VERY NARROW LANE THAT WE NEED TO STAY IN AND WE CAN REALLY ONLY CONSIDER THE CURRENT ZONING OF A PROPERTY CURRENT USES, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
THOSE ARE THE, WE HAVE A VERY LIMITED SET OF TOOLS IN OUR TOOL BELT AND THOSE ARE THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE TO USE.
SO WHEN WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT, UM, I WAS GONNA GET THERE, BRING IT, BRING IT ALL BACK.
UM, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PD NINE, UH, 5 95 AND THE, AND THE DUPLEX DEVELOPMENT, IT STILL STATES THAT IT SHOULD HAVE A 25 FOOT SETBACK.
AND IT WENT AND WHEN YOU, BECAUSE IT SAYS THAT IT DEFERS BACK TO THE, THE, THE, UM, THE, THE 51 51 A RULES FOR, FOR, UH, FOR A DUPLEX DISTRICT.
SO TO ASK FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT IS, UM, THAT HAS IT HA THAT HAS A SETBACK LESS THAN THAT 25, IT, WOULD THAT NOT MEAN YOU'D HAVE TO OPEN UP THE PD AND, AND MAKE ALTERATIONS TO THE PD TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? WOULD THAT NOT BE THE, THE CORRECT WAY TO DO THAT? RIGHT.
SO IF, IF IT WAS ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT CODE IS TODAY, UM, AND BEING THAT IT'S IN A PD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE PD OR IF YOU'RE REQUESTING A DISTRICT THAT'S JUST IN CHAPTER 51 A, IT'S NOT WITHIN A PD, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO OR LOOK INTO SOME SORT OF CODE AMENDMENT TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.
BUT EITHER OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE MUCH BIGGER THAN JUST THIS ONE ZONING CASE ON THIS ONE LOT.
SO BASED ON, ON THAT, YOU GOT TO THAT, THAT'S
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HOW YOU CAME WITH THE UP WITH THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL BECAUSE YOU LOOKED AT ALL THESE THINGS AND YOU SAID, BECAUSE OF THIS, BECAUSE OF THAT, THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER, IN ORDER TO, TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT MM-HMM.THERE WOULD BE A CITY INITIATED AUTHORIZED HEARING OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT COULD, IT COULD, IT COULD COME FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES.
UM, BUT EITHER WAY IT WOULD BE BIGGER THAN JUST THIS ONE CASE.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND WHY STAFF, UM, INITIALLY I DO UNDERSTAND THE MIDDLE, I UNDERSTAND THAT QUITE WELL, UM, BECAUSE SOUTH DALLAS IS NEEDING A LOT, A COMBINATION OF THINGS, BUT IT ALSO IS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH.
THEY'VE DONE, UH, EXTENSIVE THINGS TO PUT IN PLACE SAFEGUARDS.
IT IS A IS IT FLAWED IN THIS DAY AND AGE? IT IS, BUT IT DO STILL, IT DOES STILL HAVE SAFEGUARDS.
AND ONE OF THOSE SAFEGUARDS IS PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN AREAS.
I AM VERY MUCH A ADVOCATE FOR MULTI-FAMILY, UM, FOR THAT MIDDLE HOUSING.
UM, THERE IS PROPERTIES THAT'S IN THAT SAME AREA THAT I, I WILL, UM, WILLFULLY SAY THAT THEY, THEY, THEY QUALIFY FOR A MULTI-FAMILY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE QUALIFIED FOR DUPLEXES, BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, UM, AFTER TALKING WITH RYAN, I BELIEVE THAT HIM GIVING ME TO THE NONCONFORM AND KNOWING HOW THAT, UM, CAN AFFECT THOSE NEIGHBORS AND I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR REACHING OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND SPEAKING WITH THEM.
IF THOSE NEIGHBORS SAID YES, WE WOULD SAY YES.
AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE REASONING THAT HE, THAT THE DUPLEX IS, THAT IS A LARGE LOT, THAT IS A VERY LARGE LOT.
UM, BUT THIS PARTICULAR BOX, MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I JUST WANNA REMIND COMMISSIONER WHEELER THAT WE'RE STILL ON STAFF QUESTIONS.
SO THE, THE, THE REASON THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT IS BECAUSE IT JUST, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT A CONFORMING USE AND IT'S IN THE WRONG, REALLY IN THE WRONG PLACE.
BASED ON CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND IT'S IN THE WRONG PLACE.
AND I WILL SAY TOO, THE LAST SENTENCE OF MY, OF THE MAIN PART OF THE CASE REPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE SAYING WE RECOMMEND DENIAL AND THEN I SAY NONETHELESS, STAFF RECOGNIZES THE CONFLICT BETWEEN PROTECTING EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY AREAS AND ELIMINATING BARRIERS TO PROVIDING MORE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THAT'S TRUE AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.
SO, AND THIS IS, I'M LEARNING, UM, MY QUESTION WOULD BE THE AREA THAT STREET IN PARTICULAR, THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTY LOTS, A LOT OF OVERGROWN TREES, GRASS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, IF WE PUT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME ON THAT LOT, THAT'S A BIG LOT COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES WHO HAVE A LOT OF GREEN SPACE AROUND THEIR HOUSES, COMPLETELY SURROUNDING THEIR HOUSES, SIDE, BACKYARD, FRONT YARD, SO ON.
RIGHT? HOW, HOW DO WE ATTRACT A BUILDER TO BUILD A PIECE OF PROPERTY, EVEN SINGLE FAMILY THAT CONFORMS THAT WON'T DISTRACT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS OR HURT THE OTHER NEIGHBORS EITHER HEIGHT, SIZE, WIDTH, UM, WITHOUT BASICALLY PROVIDING MORE OF A PROBLEM, UM, IN MAINTAINING YARD SPACE AND HOUSING SPACE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, MY QUESTION IS HOW COULD WE HAVE MADE THIS WORK FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, SO, UM, PUTTING ON MY PLANNING MANAGER HAT AGAIN, A DIRECTION THAT WE'VE BEEN MOVING IN, AT LEAST WHILE I'VE BEEN HERE, AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL APPROACH AND I HOPE TO APPLY IT TO THE TEAM MORE.
UM, I'M VERY SOLUTIONS ORIENTED AND I'M ALWAYS TRYING, COMMISSIONER BLAIR KNOWS THIS ABOUT ME.
UM, I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO WORK WITH ALL OF MY CASES, BE THEY BIG, SMALL, WHATEVER TOWARDS THE SOLUTION THAT IS CONDUCIVE FOR THE CITY, FOR THE PUBLIC, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE DEVELOPER, EVERYONE.
UM, THAT'S ALWAYS THE GOAL THAT I'M AIMING FOR AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS TEAM AIMS FOR.
UM, SOMETIMES THOUGH THE SOLUTION IS DENIAL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, THERE'S JUST NOT A, A SOLUTION THAT'S MORE OPTIMAL THAN THAT, YOU KNOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST ONE VERY BRIEF FOLLOW UP ON, I KNOW I'M SURE YOU SAW ON YOUR SIDE VISIT THERE THAT THERE IS SOME, SOME REDEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE.
THERE'S, UM, THIS SIDE OF THE STREET, THIS AREA IS OUT OF DATE, BUT THESE LOTS RIGHT HERE, UM,
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ARE BEING DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING.UM, SO THERE IS SOME GROWTH IN THE AREA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
UM, DO I SAY SOMETHING BEFORE OR AFTER THE MOTION? PARDON ME? THE, THE COMMENTS AFTER? YEAH.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO 12 DASH 3 54, I MOVED TO FOLLOW, UM, CLOSE THIS PUBLIC ME HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE REASONING FOR THE DUPLEX.
SECOND WE HAVE IT, WE DO HAVE A SECOND.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAKE FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO NEED, UM, DUPLEXES, WE NEED, UH, MULTI-FAMILY IN THE AREA.
I UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN LOOKING AT IT, YOU LOOK AT IT AND SEE THAT THERE'S DUPLEXES HERE, THERE THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT.
THERE IS SOME, UM, OLDER MULTI-FAMILY.
UM, BUT IN THIS INSTANCE, THE NEIGHBORS, I DO BELIEVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TRUE, THAT IT WILL BECOME, IT WILL ALSO MAKE THE OTHER HOUSES BECOME NONCONFORMING AND THAT THERE ARE OTHER CHANCES OTHER IN THE AREA THAT, THAT PROPERTIES THAT YOU HAVE THAT CAN FIT THAT.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, I, I DEFINITELY WILL HAVE TO SAY A DENIAL ON, UM, YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BLAIR? OF COURSE, I SECOND IT.
SO I, I AGREE, BUT I I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT NOT ALL AREAS NEED THE MISSING MILL.
THE ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOK AT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT WOKE CAP WAS, UM, AT ELM THICKE WAS, DOES, IS IT CLOSE TO TRANSIT? IS IT, IS IT NEAR TRANSIT ORIENTED ORIENTED LOCATION IN WHICH THE MISSING MIDDLE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? THIS IS JUST A SINGLE LOT IN A PD THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
UM, THAT'S WHY I ASKED, UH, UH, PLANNING MANAGER MULKEY THAT, UM, WHEN WOULD, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO, TO MAKE THOSE ALTERATIONS? IT WOULD MEAN IT WOULD TAKE A LONG, EXTENSIVE PROCESS, NOT JUST ONE LOT.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO REDEFINE THE PD IN ORDER TO PUT, UH, A, A, A DUPLEX OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN SINGLE FAMILY IN THIS SPOT.
AND IF YOU DO THAT, IT WOULD BE AN ARDUOUS PROCESS TO DO IT FOR EVERY TIME A DEVELOPER WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS PLANNED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PD.
IT'S NOT SAYING WE ARE JUST NOT WANTING YOU TO HAVE A DUPLEX, WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT THIS, IT DOES NOT FIT FOR WHAT THE AREA IT CALLS FOR TODAY.
WE'RE GONNA COME BACK SECOND ROUND TO YOU.
YOU ALREADY MADE YOUR COMMENTS, RIGHT? YOU, YOU ALREADY MADE THE FIRST ROUND OF COMMENTS, CORRECT.
YEAH, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TODAY, BUT ONLY FOR THE VERY NARROW REASON THAT THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY CREATES NON-CONFORMANCE ISSUES ON THIS STREET.
I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME VERY IMPORTANT DISCUSSIONS TODAY ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, BUT BECAUSE OF THE NON-CONFORMANCE ISSUE, WE DON'T NEED TO ULTIMATELY GET THERE.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE ASK WHAT ARE WE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE STAFF'S GOALS IN THE REPORT IS TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THINKING TO DO ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE PROTECTING SINGLE NA FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FROM AND WHEN AND IN WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, MIGHT A DUPLEX BE, YOU KNOW, IN CONFORMANCE AND, AND FIT WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ALSO CONTAINS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
I'LL DEFINITELY BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
I THINK THIS CASE IS A NO-BRAINER.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON PAGE FIVE 12 AND YOU SEE AN ISLAND OF PROPOSED DUPLEX ZONING SURROUNDED BY
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A BROAD AREA OF SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, THAT IN GENERAL I IS EITHER VACANT OR OCCUPIED BY SINGLE FAMILY USES.UH, I'M GONNA GO RIGHT OUT AND SAY IT.
I THINK TO GRANT THIS CASE WOULD BE SPOT ZONING.
I ALSO SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I, UM, APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
REAGAN'S SHARING SORT OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH WOULD'VE BEEN KEY IF THIS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
THEY HAVE A PD IN PLACE, THEY HAVE AN AREA PLAN IN PLACE, THEY HAVE PUT IN THEIR TIME AND WITHOUT HEARING FROM THEM THAT THERE IS OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
UM, I CAN'T SUPPORT REMOVING THIS FROM WHAT IS A CLEARLY ESTABLISHED PATTERN FOR THE AREA.
UM, I TOO SUPPORT, UM, MY PARTNER HERE IN THE DENIAL, BUT I DO WANT TO, UM, STEP ON THE SOAPBOX JUST A LITTLE WHILE.
UM, SO I, I READ THE HATCHER AREA.
I REVIEWED IT QUITE WHEN IT CAME OUT.
I WAS KIND OF AT A COMMUNITY MEETING.
UM, BUT ONE OF THE BOLD STATEMENTS WAS A SAFE, WALKABLE, MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PROVIDES A RANGE OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL HOUSING OPTIONS AND VOCATIONAL ENRICHMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS A TEAM, AS A, AS A COMMUNITY, UM, ON THAT LONGER PROCESS, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHAT MIXED, I'M SORRY, WHAT, WHAT HOUSING OPTIONS LOOK LIKE, RIGHT? AND WHERE DUPLEXES IN SINGLE FAMILY WORK AND HOW WOULD THAT HINDER NEIGHBORHOODS, RIGHT? THESE ARE THINGS THAT AS A, AS A TEAM, I THINK WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER STUCK AROUND PLEASE.
I, I WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING FROM, UH, WHAT RYAN SAYS OFTEN.
I'M NOT GONNA GET THE WORDS RIGHT, JUST BE THAT, UM, I'M GONNA PARAPHRASE IT.
I THINK IT'S, HE ALWAYS SAYS THAT J THIS ONE PROPERTY DOES NOT DEFINE THIS ONE.
THIS ONE CASE DOES NOT DEFINE ALL CASES IN THE AREA.
SO THIS ONE CASE DOES NOT DEFINE ANOTHER CASE IN THE SAME AREA IF IT FITS AND, AND OTHER CASES IN THE AREA COULD FIT.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR, IF IT, AGAIN, IF IT DID SIT WHERE, UM, I WANT THAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DID YOU SAY AT THE, UH, AT THE END OF THIS ROW, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY AT THE END OF A A BY A ALLEY.
MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AT A CORNER STREET THAT CHANGES THE DYNAMICS, BUT IT'S CASE BY CASE.
THIS IS NOT FOR THAT WHOLE AREA BECAUSE THERE ARE DUPLEXES IN THAT AREA.
AND IF THERE'S A PROPERTY IN THAT AREA THAT FITS THAT, THEN THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MO OH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE.
UM, I REALLY, REALLY WANTED TO SUPPORT THE APPLICANT ON THIS ONE, AND I JUST CAN'T GET THERE FOR THE REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND OTHERS HAVE, HAVE MENTIONED.
UM, I, I REALLY WANT OUR COMMISSION TO, UH, ENCOURAGE, UH, CREATIVITY AND SOLVING OUR HOUSING PROBLEMS. THIS ONE JUST A, AS COMMISSIONER, UH, YOUNG SAID, IT JUST FEELS LIKE SPOT ZONING.
IT'S NOT COMPREHENSIVE ENOUGH.
IT DIDN'T INVOLVE ENOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT.
SO, UM, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION OF DENIAL.
I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY STATED.
UH, JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT, UH, THE, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE AREA IS THAT MAYBE, MAYBE WHAT SOME OF THE AREA PLANES CALL FOR DON'T FIT ON THIS PARTICULAR SPECIFIC LOT WE WILL SEE IN THE FUTURE WITH OTHER, OTHER CASES TO SEE IF, IF IT WORKS OUT.
UH, BUT, UH, THE INTERESTING THING TO ME, WHEN I DID A SITE PLAN AND DROVE AROUND THE AREA, THERE'S MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF LOTS THERE ALREADY GETTING REDEVELOPED.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT KIND OF INCOME BAN ARE GONNA BE WITHIN THOSE LOTS, BUT I WOULD BET IT IT'S EXACTLY THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING THAT WE ALL KEEP TALKING ABOUT.
EXACTLY WHAT THOSE ARE LOTS ARE GONNA BE.
SO I WILL BE AN INTERESTING THING TO WATCH.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO, UH, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, KEEPING THE PUBLIC, UH, CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, IT WAS JUST A, IT WAS A STREET DENIAL.
A STRAIGHT DENIAL NUMBER SIX, SAL GARY, GOOD AFTERNOON.
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NUMBER SIX.CASE NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 23 DASH 1 0 7.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF EAST EAST BOULEVARD BETWEEN KELLOGG AVENUE AND SUNNYVALE STREET STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON.
HEY, WELL JUST GIVE US ONE MOMENT.
READY? ELSIE THURMAN, 94 6 BIS KANE BOULEVARD, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,218.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WRITE UP.
I THINK WE'LL ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WRITE UP.
I THINK WE'LL ANSWER A LOT OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
IT'S A LITTLE OVER THREE MINUTES, SO WHEN I GET CUT OFF, IF YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE, JUST LET ME KNOW.
ON ZONING CASE C 20 23 107, THE APPLICANT DALLAS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT REQUESTS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OVERLAY OVER AN R FIVE A ZONING FOR THE NEW JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY PUBLIC SCHOOL.
THIS IS THE RENDERING OF THE FRONT OF OUR, OUR NEW JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL THAT HAS BEEN IN THE PLANNING STATE SINCE 2021.
I IMAGINE MOST OF YOU WERE THERE THEN WHEN THE THEN SUPERINTENDENT OSA ANNOUNCED THE NEW SCHOOL, WHILE THE COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITY LEADERS WERE PRESENT.
THIS NEW SCHOOL ALSO PROVIDES A COMMUNITY OF HOPE, A SYMBOL OF THE COMMUNITY.
WE ARE SEEKING A PERMANENT SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND ADDING THE 20 PARKING SPACES PREVIOUSLY REMOVED FROM THE FACULTY PARKING LOT.
THAT WAS IN OUR ORIGINAL REQUEST.
IN THE COMMENTS I RECEIVED FROM STAFF, THEY WANTED ME TO CONSIDER 35% OF COMPACT PARKING, WHICH THIS COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT OR HAVE THE CAR SUITABLE FOR COMPACT.
SO WE TOOK 20 SPACES OFF, BUT THIS WAS NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY OR THE COMMISSIONER WANTED.
THIS COMMUNITY DRIVES MORE OF A CLASSIC CAR, OLD SCHOOL CARS, TRUCKS, SUVS, MID-SIZE.
THIS CAMPUS OF HOPE WILL HOST COMMUNITY HEALTH FAIRS, JOB FAIRS, BACK TO SCHOOL, HAIRCUTS AND BACKPACKS.
AND I'M LOOKING AT A THOUSAND SEAT GYM.
SO THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING IS THERE.
EV PARKING AND CHARGING STATIONS WILL BE A CONDITION OF THE U WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE LANGUAGE HEIGHT OF THE NEW SCHOOL FACING KEITH IS 38 FEET WITH SCREENS OF 42 FEET IN THE FRONT, THEN IT DROPS OFF TO 20 FEET ON MOST OF THE BUILDINGS.
I THINK WHEN YOU SEE THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL, IT EXPLAINS THE NEED FOR THE HEIGHT AND THE PRESENTATION THAT IT MAKES TO THE COMMUNITY.
ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING IS NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST, BUT WE DO PLAN ON ADDRESSING IT IN THE FUTURE.
THE HOURS OF OF THE PRACTICE FIELDS ARE BETWEEN FOUR AND SIX.
THERE WILL BE NO QUEUING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
APPEARANCE WILL STILL COME IN OFF EAST.
THERE WILL BE FOUR LANES, ONE AS A PASSING LANE WITH SEVEN STAFF.
ATTENDANCE FOR QUEUING 98 CARS MAY FIT IN THE QUEUE AT ONE TIME.
WE'RE HOPING YOU WILL CONSIDER APPROVING OUR NEW JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY TODAY, AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO LISTEN.
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28 36 WOODMERE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 52 33.I WANNA THANK YOU ALL THIS MORNING FOR YOUR SERVICE.
I SERVED THIS CAMPUS AS ITS PRINCIPAL AND I'M ONE PROUD PRINCIPAL CUZ IT'S THE SCHOOL I ATTENDED AS WELL.
SO I'VE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY AND I'M EXCITED TO JUST FEEL THIS WHOLE PROCESS.
IT'S THE STORY I'LL TELL THE FAMILIES THAT ATTEND JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY, UM, ARE DESERVING OF A COMMUNITY.
THEY NEED YOUR SUPPORT IN APPROVING THIS PROJECT.
AND YES, YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE ATHLETIC FACILITIES AND PARK AND, UM, I'M PROBABLY THE MOST WINNING PRINCIPAL IN THE DISTRICT, RIGHT? WE WIN CITY AFTER CITY CHAMPIONSHIPS AND FOOTBALL.
I PROMISE YOU THE SPACE IS NEEDED WHERE EVERYONE'S RIVAL.
AND IF YOU KNOW THIS COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EXAGGERATING, I'M SEEKING YOUR APPROVAL FOR EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES AS WELL, UM, THAT SERVE THE SOCIAL JUSTICE TENANTS.
THIS COMMUNITY WILL INVITE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT BRAND NEW EQUITY OFFICE THAT, UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS.
WE'RE ALREADY REACHING OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS THE HUB OF WHERE 75,216 WILL KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOVED BY THE CITY.
THIS IS SERIOUS TO ME BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE GARDENS FOR OUR SENIORS.
I PROMISE YOU, IF I COULD OPEN IT UP 24 HOURS IN SOME CAPACITY, WE DO THAT TOO.
BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT IT'S GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE JOB FAIRS WE WANT TO OFFER PARENTS, WE WANTED TO BE JUST AS BUSY FROM SIX TO 8:00 PM AS IT IS FROM EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO 6:00 PM SO I KNOW I'M LIMITED IN TIME.
I'M NOT TOO PROUD TO BEG, I BEG YOU TO APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
KATIE LENAHAN, 9,400 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
I, UM, WORK IN THE BOND OFFICE AND I JUST WANTED TO COME OUT AND AGAIN, ADVOCATE FOR THE JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY THAT WE'RE BUILDING, UH, AND GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK AND ANSWER MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I, THAT I'M WE'RE HEARING.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, D I S D HAS A SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER.
HE IS DEDICATED TO SETTING BENCHMARKS AND MONITORING PROGRESS ON SUSTAINABILITY WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
D I S D IS THE LARGEST URBAN SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT USES ALL 100% RENEWABLE ENERGY FROM WIND.
SO WE HAVE A, UM, A COMMITTEE THAT MEETS AND REPORTS TO OUR BOARD OF TRUSTEES QUARTERLY.
THEY SET BENCHMARKS, THEY HAVE TASKS AND GOALS, AND THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS THOSE TO MAKE US A SUSTAINABLE DISTRICT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE DISTRICT AND IT'S A MANDATE THAT'S SUPPORTED BY OUR TRUSTEES.
UM, WE FOLLOW THE, UH, TEXAS COLLABORATION FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE SCHOOLS.
SO THIS IS THE K-12, UH, EQUAL TO LEAD CERTIFICATION.
WE GO IN AND WE PROVIDE, UM, FOR EACH PROJECT WE MEET THE CHIP STANDARDS FOR HIGH PERFORMING SCHOOL.
THAT INCLUDES, UM, INTEGRATION AND INNOVATION, INDOOR ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, PARTICIPATION IN ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, WATER MANAGEMENT, LOW EMITTING MATERIALS, EDUCATION DISPLAYS, MIRF 13 FILTERS, OPTIMIZING DAYLIGHT REDUCING, UM, WATER, REDUCING PLUMBING FIXTURES.
SO AGAIN, I JUST WANNA, I, WE, I KNOW EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED AND WE'D LIKE TO, IF POSSIBLE, COME BACK AND BRING OUR SUSTAINABILITY MANAGER WHO CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT WHAT THE DISTRICT'S DOING.
BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
I'VE HEARD ANOTHER COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
OUR EDUCATION DESIGN STANDARDS FOR A MIDDLE SCHOOL CALL FOR A FOOTBALL FIELD, BASEBALL FIELD, SOFT SOFTBALL FIELD.
AS MANY FIELDS AS WE CAN PUT ON THAT SITE CUZ WE WANT OUR KIDS TO PLAY AND HAVE FUN.
THAT'S REALLY PART, AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR CURRICULUM
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FOR EDUCATION.UH, THERE IS A QUESTION REGARDING PERMEABLE PARKING.
WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT INTERNALLY, THE DISTRICT IS NOT FOND OF GRAVEL AS ANY TYPE OF PERMEABLE SURFACE.
KIDS PICK UP ROCKS AND THROW ROCKS AND GRAVEL WHEN WE'RE, UM, IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
IT CAN DAMAGE PROPERTY WITH A MOWER AND SOMETHING RUNS OVER IT.
IT'S ALSO AN ISSUE IF YOU DO THE PERMEABLE SURFACES WHERE GRASS GROWS THROUGH IT.
AGAIN, IT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE LONG TERM.
IF PEOPLE ARE PARKING IN A PARKING LOT, THEY CAN'T COME IN AND MOW IT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OVERGROWN.
SO THE PERMEABLE SURFACES, UM, WHILE WE WANNA BE SUSTAINABLE, IS A LITTLE BIT CHALLENGING FOR US.
I WANTED TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SAFETY DIRECTOR AT THE BOND OFFICE.
AND TO FOLLOW UP TO MS. AYER'S COMMENT, WE DO HAVE OUTREACH CONTINUING THROUGH CONSTRUCTION.
AS PART OF THAT, WE HAVE A SAFETY MANUAL.
I'M GONNA PUT THE TMP ON HERE THAT I AM.
CHRISTIE LAMBETH AT 63 0 1 GASTON AVENUE AND DALLAS LAMBETH.
I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT UP ON THIS COMPUTER AND YOU CAN JUST, UH, LET US KNOW WHEN YOU NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
UNLESS IT'S A DIFFERENT POWERPOINT THAN, THAN WHAT, UH, MS. AGUIRE HAS.
I WAS GONNA PUT IT UP HERE AND I WAS GONNA PUT IT UP HERE AND SHARE A SCREEN.
I DUNNO, WHERE'S HELP IS ON THE WAY.
NO, BUT I HAD COME HELP THOUGH.
I, THE MOUSE IS NOT, IT WAS ON.
SO, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL THE CUE SPACE ON SITE YOU WANT TO SHARE? THANK YOU.
YOU CAN DO THIS IN YOUR SLEEP WHEN YOU'RE SITTING AT YOUR OWN DESK, YOU KNOW, UP HERE.
UM, SO WE DID THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.
WE WERE ABLE TO, UM, THE ARCHITECT AND WE WORK ON THE SITE PLAN DESIGN.
WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL THE QUEUING ON SITE, AS WAS MENTIONED IN THE BRIEFING.
THERE IS A SMALL DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT.
THE BUSES PICK UP IN THAT DRIVEWAY IN THE FRONT, AND THE PARENTS PARK ON EAST, PARENTS PARK ON BOTH SIDES OF KEYS AND ALSO IN THE LIBRARY AND ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE STREETS.
SO WE DID SEVERAL OBSERVATIONS AND WE, UM, DOCUMENT EVERYTHING AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET ALL THESE PARENTS CUD ON THE SITE.
THEY KIND OF QUEUE AND WAIT, AND THEY, THEY SEPARATE OUT INTO TWO INDIVIDUAL.
THERE'S A BYPASS LANE BECAUSE FOR MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS, UM, MS. TRA, PRINCIPAL JACKSON DID NOT WANT TO HAVE A SINGLE LOADING AREA.
KIDS HERE WILL WALK TO THEIR PARENTS' CARS WHERE THEY'RE PARKED THEIR SIDEWALKS, ALL THE, ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND THEN IF SOMEBODY'S STUDENT GETS THERE BEFORE ANOTHER PARENT, THERE'S A BYPASS LANE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR MY CHILD TO COME TO ME.
IF YOU'RE BEHIND ME, YOU CAN STILL GET OUTTA THE LINE AND YOU CAN LEAVE THE SITE.
SO THERE'S AN EXTRA LANE IN THERE FOR THAT.
UM, THIS IS A ZOOMED IN VERSION, SORRY, THAT'S WHY I DID THIS FOR Y'ALL.
SO YOU CAN SEE MORE CLEARLY THE TWO LANES ENTERING, AND THEN THEY'LL SEPARATE OUT TO TWO SEPARATE LANES, THE MERGE BACK AROUND TO ONE.
AND THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS A BYPASS ONCE YOU GET TO A CERTAIN POINT ON SITE.
UM, WE'VE MADE A NOTE HER PARENTS NOT TO PARK ON KEITH BOULEVARD AND NOT TO PARK ACROSS THE LIBRARY SO STUDENTS AREN'T CROSSING KEYS UNNECESSARILY.
THE PICKUP WILL TAKE ABOUT 15 MINUTES OR SO AT FIRST, AND WHEN BEFORE SCHOOL IS DISMISSED, THIS AREA WILL BE FULL, BUT THEN AS SOON AS DISMISSAL STARTS, IT'LL MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY.
UM, WE PARENTS DO NEED TO PULL UP TO THE BEGINNING BEFORE SCHOOL IS DISMISSED UNLESS WE HAVE STAFF THERE NOTED TO HELP REMIND THEM TO PULL FORWARD.
AND THIS IS THE, UM, NOT PART OF THE TMP.
TECHNICALLY THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED AT ENGINEERING, BUT WE WANTED TO SHOW WHERE WE WERE RESTRICTING SIGNS IN OUR ONE-WAY SIGNS, ET CETERA.
SO THIS IS GONNA BE APPENDIX OF THE TMP JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE THAT IT WAS THOUGHT THROUGH.
AND THIS SHOWS THAT WE PROJECT, THERE'LL BE 98 VEHICLES ON SITE AT THE PEAK GIVEN TIME.
AND WE'VE, THE SITE PLAN HAS ROOM FOR 106 VEHICLES TO QUEUE
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ON SITE.AND THERE'S EIGHT EXTRA SPACES FOR PARENTS.
THIS DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THE SCHOOLS, HAS ADDED A, UM, D CELL LANE, LEFT TURN, DEC CELL LANE, AND A RIGHT TURN DEC LANE.
SO WE SHOW THEY CAN PARK ONSITE ON KEYS NOT BACKING UP, BUT EVEN IF THEY WERE TO BACK UP, THEY HAVE THEIR DCE LANES ARE BACKING UP IN TWO.
ONE LAST THING IS THEY HAVE, WE HAVE RIGHT TURN ONLY WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING THE SITE.
SO YOU CAN TURN LEFT OR RIGHT TURNING INTO THE SITE.
BUT SINCE WE ARE ENTERING, WHEN WE HAVE ONE DRIVEWAY THAT IS RIGHT TURN ONLY WHEN YOU'RE LEAVING TO REDUCE CONFLICT AND BUSES ARE HAVE THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY, THEY LOOP AROUND THE BACK.
UM, AND THEN THE APPENDIX OF THE TMP, IT SHOWED DIFFERENT BEST ROUTES PROFESSES CAN GO CUZ IT'S A RIGHT TURN ONLY NOW.
SO WE'VE SHOWN IF THE BEST IS TURNING LEFT TODAY, OTHER ROUTES THAT THEY CAN TAKE FOR THAT.
SO I AM HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
ROSS RIVERS 69 0 6 BLAKE DRIVE, ARLINGTON, TEXAS 76,001.
I AM WITH V L K ARCHITECTS, UH, PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE OVER THERE, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT WITH D I S D.
AND JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, THE PROCESS SO FAR AND, AND WHERE WE ARE.
UH, WE HAVE, UM, HAD MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH, NOT JUST WITH THE, UH, CAMPUS STAFF, UM, BUT AS WELL AS WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT JUST WHAT THIS THIS FACILITY MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, NOT ONLY THE SERVICES IT PROVIDES AS, AS A K UH, YOU KNOW, K-12 FACILITY, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THAT'S ALREADY THERE THAT EXISTS.
AND, AND REALLY THIS FACILITY IS TO JUST CONTINUE THAT ON AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH, WITH THE, UH, MS. JACKSON PRINCIPAL ON SITE AND, AND THE COMMUNITY.
UM, A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, HAVE, HAVE COME UP PRIOR TO, UM, I GUESS TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, UM, PARKING, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE IS A THOUSAND SEAT GYMNASIUM THAT, UM, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, THAT'S A LOT OF FOLKS AT ONE TIME.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT PARKING RATIOS FOR ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'VE ARRIVED AT, AT, UH, THE, THE TARGET.
WE PROBABLY STILL DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF GOT A RULE OF THUMB OR, OR SOME GUIDELINES THAT WE USE TO ESTABLISH THOSE, THOSE NEEDS.
SO, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL TO SUPPORT THE TEAM HERE.
UM, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF, UM, FACTS AND, AND CALCULATIONS AND, AND THINGS THAT WE CAN PULL FOR YOU.
BUT, UH, UH, AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF APPROVAL OF THIS, UM, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND, UH, WE THINK THIS, UH, FACILITY DEFINITELY IS GOING TO BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THIS COMMUNITY.
THE, THE FACILITY AND THE COMMUNITY ALREADY EXISTS.
THIS IS JUST A FACILITY THAT'S GONNA ENHANCE THAT.
COULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME, SIR? ROSS RIVERS.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS.
HI, UM, MS. THURMAN, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THAT Y'ALL HAD REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT WAS BEING REQUESTED.
SO CAN YOU, THE ORIGINAL WAS 180 3.
COULD YOU LET US TELL? WELL, THEY REDUCED, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST SAY WHAT THE CURRENT NUMBER IS.
UM, THIS FACULTY PARKING IS 1 46.
CURRENTLY THERE WAS 20 MORE THAN THAT.
SO I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE FINAL NUMBER? 1 1 46 RIGHT NOW.
YOU'D LIKE TO PUT THOSE 20 SPACES BACK IN.
AND DID YOU TAKE THEM OFF? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO PUT UP THE MAP.
THE, THE GRAPHIC, UM, PAGE TWO OF MY PRESENTATION HAS A SITE PLAN I CAN SHOW YOU BECAUSE I WAS ALSO GONNA ASK, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PARKING IS SORT OF THREE CIRCLES WITH SOMETHING DELINEATED IN BETWEEN.
WE TOOK A STRIP OUT ON THE LEFT SIDE.
SO, SO THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ABOUT TO ZOOM IN.
YOU SEE THAT WHITE STRIP ON THE LEFT SIDE? WE TOOK 20 SPACES OFF OF THERE.
SO THE, THE, THE PARKING'S IN GRAY, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE WHITE THAT'S ABOVE MM-HMM.
20 SPACES AND WE TOOK IT OFF ON THE ROAD.
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OKAY.SO THE CURRENT PROPOSAL THOUGH IS 146 SPACES AS SHOWN HERE? YES.
UM, SO YOU'RE REQUESTING, SO I THINK IT, CONSIDERING THE, THE, THE SPORTS FIELDS AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT'LL BE HAPPENING THERE, WOULD YOU NOT AGREE THAT IT WOULD BE MORE PRUDENT TO ADD THE 20 SPACES BACK? YES.
SO THAT YOU'LL END UP WITH A TOTAL OF, OF 1 66? YES.
WILL THEY BE ACCESSED TO STREET PARKING AFTER HOURS ADJACENT TO THE SPORTS FIELD ON THE WEST LINE OF THE SITE, OR IS THAT IN AN ALLEYWAY BEHIND HOUSES? IS THERE AN ACCESS ROAD THERE? BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, WEEKENDS AND AFTER HOURS.
I KNOW THERE IS, UM, PARKING ONSITE PROPER, BUT ON THE WEEKENDS, WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO THEN PARK ON THE STREETS AND THEN STILL USE THE FIELDS? I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN REALLY TOTALLY ANSWER THAT COMPLETELY BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DO, AS PEOPLE, WE DO PARK AROUND THE COMMUNITY MM-HMM.
SO IF I LIVE BACK THERE OR NOT, I CAN PARK BACK THERE AND ENTER THE PLAYGROUND.
THAT'S WHAT WE KIND OF DO AS A COMMUNITY.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE.
UM, I THINK IT'S JUST, I I CALL IT COMMUNITY TRAFFIC.
SO THE COMMUNITY, THE THE PRINCIPAL, WOULD YOU SAY THAT SHE HAS A GOOD GRASP ON, UM, BEING ABLE TO MANAGE THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE INGRESS OR EGRESS TO AND FROM THE SITE? YES.
UM, IN TERMS OF YOUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, I NOTICED WHERE YOU HAVE THE S'S THAT SHOWED WHERE THE STAFF WOULD BE MM-HMM.
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS AND GOOD FAITH, AND I KNOW THEY WOULD ADDRESS THAT, BUT THAT IS ONE OF ONE OF MY CONCERNS.
UM, AND THEN LASTLY, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY CO GENERATING ENERGY SOURCES IN THE BUILDING? LIKE SOLAR PANELS OR ANYTHING? I DON'T THINK THERE ARE ANY SOLAR PANELS.