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[City Planning Commission]

[00:00:12]

YES, JUDGE.

THE REQUEST IS FOR AEX DISTRICT.

OUR PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN MARKED RIGHT SINGLE DISTRICT.

DISTRICT PURPOSE DISTRICT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SYDNEY STREET, NORTHEAST OF SECOND AVENUE.

UH, 7,000 EQUAL LOCATION MAP SHOWS THE PROPERTY IN CITY LIMIT, AERIAL MAP, , AND UH, ZONE MAP WITH SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS AND LANDING.

SO, UM, SO EVERYTHING SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, UH, IS ZONED AN R FIVE A, SO DISTRICT WITH FIVE FIVE, THAT'S ALSO CIRCUIT 5 95 IMMEDIATELY.

THE LAW, UM, MIX OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY USES AND TO SOUTHWEST HAS INTERNAL WORDS USE BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, ACROSS CAPE STREET IN THE EXISTING CHURCH USE.

AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, TO SHOW THE PREDOMINANT USES AND ZONING DISTRICTS.

UM, A LITTLE BIT PREDOMINANTLY, UM, SINGLE BANKING MEDIA, UM, STRIKE, CURRENTLY MARKED BY A SEVEN STREET.

THEY ARE REQUESTING A, A SERVICE TO ALLOW DUPLEX USE ON THE SPACE.

SEVEN FIVE PHOTOS ON SYDNEY STREET, MEANS SOUTH RIGHT INTO THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS ON THE LEFT SIDE OF SYDNEY STREET.

THERE, THERE.

AND THEN A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN FROM SOUTHWEST, YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME PROBLEMS. OTHER CONSTRUCTION.

SO THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, OF THE EXISTING R FIVE A SUB DISTRICT WITH THE PROPOSED DA SUBDISTRICT.

UH, ONE OF THE MAJOR DIFFERENCES HERE IS IN THE EXISTING R FIVE A THERE'S A 20 FOOT FRONT YARD, WHEREAS IN THE LIKE SIX CIRCUIT, 25 FOOT FRONT YARD.

UM, AND BECAUSE OF BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY IN OUR CODE, IF A BLOCK IS DIVIDED BY TWO ORON DISTRICT, THE ENTIRE BLOCK SUPPLY WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF DISTRICT THE LATEST FRONT YARD REQUIREMENTS.

SO THIS WOULD MEAN, MEAN A DUPLEX LOT ON THIS BLOCK BASE WOULD MAKE THE RBI INPUT SUBJECT TO AN ADDITIONAL, UM, WHICH COULD CREATE CONFORMING STRUCTURES.

IT COULD ALSO COULD CREATE PROBLEMS IF ANY OF THESE RBI LOT TO DEVELOP OR REDEVELOP.

UM, ANOTHER BIG, UM, CHANGE BETWEEN THESE TWO.

THE, UH, MINIMUM LOCK SIZE FOR A DUPLEX DISTRICT IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET OR, UH, 3000 THE VOLUME UNIT.

WHEREAS YOU, OUR FIVE A FIVE SQUARE FEET, UH, ADDITIONAL SIX FEET IN HIGH, ADDITIONAL 15% IN LOCK COVERAGE.

AND THEN PRINCIPLE WITH PRESENT IN TERMS OF PERMITTED IS OBVIOUSLY TWO MONTHS.

UM, SO WITH THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL, AND I WILL SAY IN THE CASE REPORT, UM, WE CAN KIND HIGHLIGHT, UM, SOME OF THE GOALS OF OBJECTIVE COMPREHENSIVE CLASSIFY.

YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN MEETING RESIDENTIAL, HOWEVER WE SAY STRICTLY WITH THEM ZONING AND LAND VIEW.

UM, THERE'S SOME DEFINITE ISSUES, UH, WITH THIS REQUEST, WHICH IS LAWYER RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I CALL REQUEST.

REQUEST IF, FIRST OF ALL, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ONE ADVERSE IMPACT THAT I SEE, ONE ADVERSE IMPACT THAT I SEE IS THE POTENTIAL BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY ISSUE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER YARD LOT SPACE OR ADVERSE IMPACTS FROM, NOT IN TERMS OF YARD LOT SPACE, I MEAN, THAT WE SAW OTHER THAN THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, LOCK COVERAGE HEIGHT, UM, OR LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE, JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW STAFF KIND OF GOT THERE BECAUSE I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF SORT OF, AS YOU SAID, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSE SETTING BEING INSERTED OF, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE PD.

WOULD IT MAKE IT A DIFFERENCE TO STAFF IF IT WAS STRAIGHT DONING

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VERSUS A PD IN STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION? UM, UH, I'LL ANSWER THAT PROCEDURALLY.

NO, IT WOULDN'T BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU COULD SUPPORTIVE PD FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, 7,100 SQUARE FOOT SINGLE LOT, UM, IN AN AREA THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS ENTIRE AREA FOR THE MOST PLACE SEVEN R FIVE A, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BIG SAVAGE FOR, AND LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE MY QUESTION JUST A MINUTE.

I MAY HAVE NOT PHRASED IT VERY WELL.

SO LET'S ASSUME THIS WORD JUST STRAIGHT R FIVE A AND NOT IN SOME ELSE IN TOWN THAT WAS OWNED R FIVE A, NOT IN A PE WITH THAT, THE IMPACTED STAFF'S ANALYSIS.

NO, ESPECIALLY IN THE PD FIVE, A LOT OF THE, UH, THEY'RE CALLED SUBDISTRICTS WITHIN THE PD, A LOT OF THE SUBDISTRICTS REALLY REFER ENTIRELY OR ALMOST ENTIRELY TO WHAT THAT DISTRICT IS IN BASE CODE.

SO WITH R FIVE A AND D, I THINK THERE'S LIKE ONE DIFFERENCE IN LIKE TERMINATED USES MAYBE.

UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY SYNONYMOUS WITH POLITICS DISTRICT WOULD BE IN CHAPTER 51 PAGE AND IF THERE WERE NEIGHBOR COULD SUPPORT THAT HAVE CHANGED STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S NEVER SOMETHING THAT INFLUENCES STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.

WHAT IF IT WERE IN A CORNER LOT AS OPPOSED TO MID LOT? WOULD THAT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE? IT COULD STILL PRESENT THE BLACKFACE CONTINUITY ISSUE.

UM, HOWEVER WE, THIS CASE, UM, UH, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT.

I WOULD SAY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ESPECIALLY WITHIN PD 5 95, IF YOU'RE AT THE EDGE OF THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU'RE PROBABLY NEAR ONE OF THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES THAT IS ZONE SOME FLAVOR AND COMMERCIAL.

UM, SO THAT MAY CHANGE THINGS.

UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD STILL PRESENT BLOCK-BASED COMPANY.

AND THEN JUST TO, I MEAN, JUST TO KIND OF SUM IT UP WITH DANNY EXISTING ZONING, OUR, OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS FUNDS DISTRICTS IS JUST VERY DIFFICULT TO INSERT SINGLE DUPLEX WITHIN A, YOU KNOW, AN R BLANK A DISTRICT, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO FOR THESE SPACE REASONS, IT, IT BECOMES REALLY PROBLEMATIC.

WE'VE ALSO HAD THIS ISSUE, THIS RECENT REQUEST FOR TH DISTRICT, WHICH IS ANOTHER SORT OF MEDIUM DENSITY KIND OF RESIDENTIAL.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, BACK TO THE PROCEDURAL STAFF, UM, OUR ANALYSIS AND STAFF IS CONFINED.

THE BASIS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IS CONFINED SOME WAYS OF ZONING AND LAND USE.

UM, ANYTHING IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY WAS PLAN, AREA PLAN CAN SUPPORT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF YOU CAN'T BE THE BASIS OF THE RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE REGULATORY FEE, JUST GUIDELINES, UM, SO THAT POTENTIALLY PRESENTS THE ISSUE AS WELL.

SORRY, I THINK I'M ALMOST DONE, BUT YOU, YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO THE BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY ISSUE.

LET'S JUST SET THAT ASIDE FOR THE MOMENT BECAUSE THAT SEEMS LIKE A CLEAR, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY HAVE ADVERSE EFFECTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

IS IT STAFF VIEW UNDER CURRENT CODE THAT SETTING A SITE BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY COULD KEEPS INSERTING A DUPLEX IN A BAR IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK THAT'S FAR IS, IS NOT COMPATIBLE? YEAH, THAT GOES BACK TO ZONING AND LAND USE ONLY.

THERE'S, THERE'S STILL THAT ISSUE THERE THAT ALSO FORMS THE BASIS OF OUR DENIAL.

UM, BECAUSE WE, WE CAN'T REALLY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A ZONING DISTRICT THAT'S REALLY INCOMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS AND PLANT USES, WHICH AT DUPLEX DISTRICT, UH, ENTIRELY SINGLE FAMILY AREA.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME GRAY AREA THERE, THERE'S SOME SUBJECTIVITY, BUT GENERALLY WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING ZONING BECAUSE THE DUPLEX TEXTURE, EXTRA SINGLE FAMILY PERMANENT.

WHAT, WHAT WOULD THOSE ADVERSE IMPACTS BE? UH, I HAVE LOTS OF OPINIONS ABOUT THAT.

I'LL TRY TO JUST ANSWER THEM AS SNAP.

UM, I, UH, I WILL.

SO, SO OUR TEAM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE INCREMENTAL, WE'RE CASE BY CASE.

WE DO CONSIDER LARGER, LARGER GOALS AND LARGER ISSUES, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SO IN CASE BY CASE FASHION.

UM, OUR CODE HAS NOT RECEIVED A MAJOR UPDATE SINCE 1987 MM-HMM.

, UM, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY AS A CITY, IT CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY SINCE THEN.

UH, IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE THAT, UM, DEMANDS ON HOUSING AND, AND WHAT KIND OF HOUSING PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN, WHAT KIND OF HOUSING PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.

UM, ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE, SINCE 1987.

UM, I DON'T SEE HOW THEY COULD COULD'VE, UM, HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH A, WITH A CODE THAT IS KIND OF REINFORCING VALUES AND LEADS AND EVERYTHING FROM, FROM SEVERAL DECADES AGO.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S SORT OF A ATTENTION THERE I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.

YEAH.

WAS A GOOD YEAR.

THANK YOU.

THEY'RE ALL GOOD.

SURE.

UH, THE PART ALSO OF, UH, YOUR DENIAL IS THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU SHOWED THE OVERHEAD

[00:10:01]

VIEW OF DIFFERENT HOUSING, BUT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION IS, IS REALLY A SHORT STREET ALSO AND THAT IT DOESN'T, AND IT DOES, IT DOESN'T GO STRAIGHT THROUGH.

IT'S NOT ON A STRAIGHT THROUGHWAY TOWARDS THE OTHER PARTS CITY.

IT'S A, AND IT HAS ON THE CURB RIGHT AFTER IT GOES TO THE NEXT STREET, BUT IT'S NOT A, UM, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD YOUR OLD GAVE A OVERVIEW, IT WASN'T A STREET THAT WAS PARTICULARLY GONE.

YEAH.

SO THE LINCOLN STREETS OR TRAFFIC, AND WOULD IT BE A HUGE CONCERN, UM, IF THERE WERE TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING CONCERNS THAT WOULD COME FROM MR. NAVARRE? UM, I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENT SPRING PANEL ON THIS CASE DURING SECOND.

THOSE WERE CONCERNS.

UM, UH, WELL, THE AFFIDAVIT TO SPEAK, HE DIDN'T GIVE YOU UNDERSTANDING OF THE SIDE.

THINK THE PRIMARY REASON TO REQUEST A NEW BLOOD DISTRICT IS TO, HE HAVE TWO BLOOD SKEWS ON THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN SINGLE REASON OF THE YEAH, WE MUCH, WHATEVER'S INCLUDED THE APPLICATION AND THE LAND USE STATEMENT.

OKAY.

YEAH, I CAN KEEP, FIRST ONE IS THIS, ALTHOUGH I READ THIS AND I READ THE CODE, WE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BLOCK FORM ABOUT SESSION.

I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

DO YOU NEED THE INTENT OF THE CODE WAS TO SAY THAT IF YOU PUT UP ONE BUILDING THAT HAS 25 SETBACKS, IT IS MEANT TO CAUSE ALL THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE BLOCK TO BE DONE CONFORMING, BECAUSE THAT WOULD SEEM A LITTLE D BECAUSE MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE ON THE CORNER, I'LL JUST USE AN EXAMPLE.

IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ONE OF THOSE LIGHT OFFICE SOMETHING, I DUNNO HOW WE PUTTING SOMETHING THERE.

ANYBODY HAVE A 25 FOOT? THE IDEA WE HAVE CODE WAS PUT TOGETHER TO MAKE THE REST OF THE LOTS NONCONFORMING JUST DOESN'T BRING TRUE TO ME.

YEAH.

SO I'LL GIVE YOU A SHORT ANSWER.

I HAVE A LONGER ANSWER TO THE, THAT I'M USING YOUR QUESTIONS JUST EXPOUND ON SOMETHING.

BUT, UH, THE SHORT ANSWER IS, UH, I BELIEVE THE INTENT OF THAT BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT IS, UM, TO PROTECT SINGLE FAMILY USES AND DISTRICTS.

UM, SO LET'S SAY THERE IS A, SOME SORT OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF DISTRICT THAT HAS LESS OF A FRONT YARD THAN, UM, OTHER SINGLE FAMILY NEEDS MOVE ALONG A BLOCK PHASE.

UM, I BELIEVE THE INTENT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT SORT OF NON-CONFORMING VIEW USE FOR NOT MIXING RIGHT, IN TERMS OF VISUALLY THE, THE, UH, I GUESS THE INTEGRITY, NOT THE DISCONTINUE WITH ENEMIES.

THAT'S THE SHORT ANSWER.

UM, THE LONGER ANSWER KIND OF GOES BACK TO MY OTHER EX FOUNDING ON, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT OUR CODE WAS LAST MAJOR WE UPDATED IN 1987.

UM, IT'S REALLY LEFT OVER FROM A TIME THAT EXTENDS PROBABLY BACK TO LIKE THIS CENTURY 1960S, UH, BEFORE PERIOD, UM, WHERE THE INTENT AND DESIRE OF ZONING WAS TO SEPARATE OUT MORE USES AND PROTECT USES WITHIN THOSE SEPARATE AREAS.

UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES BEING AT THE TOP OF THAT PRIORITY LIST.

UM, AND I THINK OUR PROPOSED STILL REINFORC THE LOT OF, A LOT OF VALUES THAT SINGLE FAMILY DETECTIONS ARE BEING, THE USE THAT NEEDS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT USE IS THE USE THAT NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED THE MOST.

UM, THERE'S FURTHER, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EXPECTATIONS WHY THOSE STORIES WERE MADE ALL THOSE DECADES AGO BECAUSE, UM, PLANNING IS REALLY HUNDREDS OR 19 HUNDREDS WHEN URBAN AREAS WERE SUPER CROWDED, SUPER OVERCROWDED IN A REALLY POOR PUBLIC HEALTH CONDITION, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

UM, COMING OUT OF THAT TIME THAT THIS WAS TO SEPARATE OUT FOLKS A LITTLE BIT MORE AND ERADICATE SOME OF THE, THERE'S GOOD AND BAD THINGS THAT, UM, SO I THINK THAT'S THE VALUES THAT WERE BEING REINFORCED AT THAT TIME OF THE CODE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS WERE SIMILAR NOW OF 2022.

SO, UM, YOU

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KNOW, MAYBE IT'S TO LOOK AT, WELL, SOMETHING TO THAT IS A FOLLOW UP, WHICH, AND I'M GONNA ASK YOU DO THIS.

SO WOULDN'T YOU SAY THOUGH THAT HISTORICALLY ONE DIFFERENCE IN DUPLEXES I TALKED ABOUT HISTORICALLY AND SINGLE MAINLY, MOSTLY DUPLEXES FROM OFTEN ALREADY OUT ONE TIME, SO IT WAS CONSIDERED MORE OF A COMMERCIAL CITY COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO WOULD LIVE THE OTHER AND THEREFORE THEY LOOKED IN ON THE PERIPHERIES AREAS HISTORICALLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, MORE OR LESS.

THAT'S BRIEF.

SO, AND MY FOLLOW UP TO THAT AND ALMOST THROUGH, UH, IS THIS, UH, WOULD YOU AGREE THAT THE FACT THAT THIS HAS SINGLE FAMILY ON FOUR SIDES, AS YOU CALL THIS A DUPLEX DISTRICT, A ONE LOT, HOW DO YOU CALL ONE MONTH A DISTRICT FOR ONE? I MEAN, ISN'T THAT SORT OF A, NOT C WELL, IT'S PLANNING TERMINOLOGY, BUT YEAH, YOU RING A GOOD ONE.

BUT YOU USE THE WORD DISTRICT.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR AN ENTIRE AREA THAT SAYS SPOTS.

YES.

COMMISSION JUST WANTED, OKAY, SO THAT SENSE, YEAH, THAT'S USE THAT EXCUSE ONLY A COURT EXCUSE TAKING AWAY THE DONATIONS.

OKAY.

FOR THE RECORD, ONE CLARIFICATION.

SO WE'RE TALKING SET BLOCK IS CONTINUING TALKS ABOUT THE SETBACK OF WHERE THE BUILDING IS DETAILED.

SO, OKAY, BECAUSE YOU SAID WHEN THE BUILDING IS BUILT, BUT THAT'S, YOU CAN PUT IT WAY IN THE BACK, BUT IT AFFECT THE OTHERS.

BUT WHAT AFFECTS THE OTHERS IS THAT IMAGINARY LINE COMMISSION HERBER.

UM, SO THE CONTINU LINE, THE BLOCK FACE COMING FROM PARK AREA, THE WAY THAT WE BUILT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT, SUPPOSED TO WALK OUT YOUR PORTION SO THAT THE WHITE BE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS, UM, SOMETIMES DISTANT, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO LOOK AROUND ON THE PORCH TO GET TO ANOTHER PORCH.

AND THAT'S WHAT I ENVISION FOR THIS AREA.

THAT'S WHAT I SEE.

AND THEY TICKET, THAT'S WHAT I SEE IN PORTUGAL CLIFF, UM, THAT NEIGHBORLY FEEL WHERE YOU COME OUT TO YOUR PORCH AND YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.

UM, HAVING A, HAVE A NEIGHBOR COMING FROM NEW ORLEANS WHERE SINGLE FAMILY ARE ALL NEXT TO DUPLEXES A LOT, UM, WE WALKED OUT ON OUR PORCHES STILL, I'M STILL ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

SO HOW CAN WE AFFECT IS ONLY MAYBE THREE PEOPLE.

I, I READ THREE PEOPLE THAT CHANGED POLICY, BUT UM, HOW CAN WE EFFECTIVELY SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN PUT A SINGLE LOT THERE, BUT IT NEEDS TO ADDRESS THAT IMAGINARY THAT'S TRYING THAT, UH, BLOCK FACE COMPANY ARE WIND INSTEAD THAT ALL OF THOSE PHONES ARE IMPACT THE SAME PLACE.

MM-HMM.

.

UM, R FIVE A IS THE, UH, SINGLE PEN WE HAVE WITH THE SMALLEST SLOT SIZE, WHICH IS, THIS IS FIVE.

IT'S PROBABLY THINK A DIFFERENT, THE SMALLEST SINGLE SIZE WE HAVE STILL FIVE S SQUARE VENUS, SO THAT'S PRETTY BIG.

UM, IF THIS WAS ON A BLOCK FACE THAT WAS ZONED R 75, UM, THE FRONT SETBACK THERE IS 25 FEET, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS ISSUE.

SO IT'S KIND OF A, A WEIRD LITTLE, LITTLE PER BUFFER I GUESS, CODE THAT, UM, IS AS I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS IN THE BLOCK FACE BUTTON BE NOT GOING TO BE.

OKAY.

SO WITH THAT IT SAID THAT THE APPLICANT COULDN'T JUST ADDRESS PEOPLE BUILDING IN'T ADDRESS THE SINGLE FAMILY 20 FOOT.

IS IT REQUIRED THAT HE DOES 25? SO BECAUSE THIS IS A GENERAL CHANGE TO A BASE, THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY DEVIATIONS TO WHAT, LIKE COMMISSIONER, MAYBE YOU HAVE TO DO ED OR SOMETHING IN ORDER TO CUSTOMIZE.

THANK YOU.

UM, IN, IN MAKING YOUR RECOMMENDATION, PAT THAT, DID YOU ALSO CONSIDER THE STATE, UH, HISTORY AREA PLAN AND, AND AND, AND WHAT THE VISION WAS FOR THAT AREA ALSO? SO JUST THE PD 5 95, WHICH WE, WHICH IS IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, THAT ALSO HAS HAD EXTENSIVE A TWO YEAR AREA PLAN, A TWO YEAR AREA PLAN, BUT, UM, SHE COULD SET UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

BUT DID YOU INCLUDE THAT THAT AREA HAD A PLAIN ALSO

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INSIDE AND THAT THAT AREA WAS HISTORICALLY, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AREA? RIGHT.

SO I, AGAIN, I WILL JUST, THERE WAS BEHIND THAT, UM, AREAS BASIS OF A RECOMMENDATION, BUT THEY CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

UM, IN THIS CASE, YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR ENGINEERING PLAN.

I, I RECOMMEND IT'S A PRETTY GOOD PLAN, UM, SAYING MAKING SURE SOMETHING'S GOING ON WITH AND ALSO, UM, SORRY, I DID, DID DID YOU ALL, SO IN, IN THE PROCESS OF ACTING FOR THIS, UH, DESIGN CHANGE, YOU ALL DID NOT REQUIRE FOR THEM TO SUBMIT ANY, UM, UM, ANY PLANS? NO, THAT WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED OF THE GENERALISM MAY CHANGE.

UM, WHY WOULD THEY BE IF, CAUSE OF THE TYPE OF DEFECT IN THE WAY THAT THE GENERALISM MAY CHANGE IS TO CONSIDER IF A BASIS CODE EVIDENCE OF, OF ANY CHANGE WITH DEVIATION, THIS MEETING STANDARD THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR, UM, SO THERE WOULDN BE ANY NEED TO SUBMIT SOME SORT OF HIGHPOINT MR. DISTRICT APPROPRIATE.

WE WOULDN'T REALLY NEED TO SEE A PLAN UNLESS WE REQUEST FOR S P OR SO, WHATEVER.

SO WE BE SO Z THE BE ABLE TO EVEN SEE ANY TYPE OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT THE POSSIBILITY.

WE DO HAVE APPLICANTS THAT ELEVATION PLANS AND RENDERINGS AND THINGS, UM, FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES, BUT THEY'RE JUST OBJECTION.

THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TIED TO A REQUEST IN THE SAME WAY.

THEY CAN BE THE PD OR, BUT WE COULDN'T SUBMIT THEIR YES, THEY, THEY, YEAH, THEY CAN BE CHAIR DISTRIBUTED TO COMMISSION.

BE SURE THE PUBLIC THEY CAN BE STAFFED.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THE CASE IS APPROVED, JANE IS UNDER THAT PROBABLY THE PLAN.

ATTACH CHAIRMAN.

YES.

UH, IF YOU DO WANT TO SHARE THEM, THE SCENE TO FIRST CIRCULATE.

UM, AND THEN BACK TO THE HATCH STATION AREA PLAYING.

UM, THIS IS THE LAND USE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT HAS NO REGULATORY TEAM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION, BUT THE REMAINS PART OF THIS PLAN.

IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO READ.

I, I THINK WE'RE DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE, UM, OFF OF SECTION AVENUE DOESN'T MEETING AS RE OKAY.

WHICH THAT LAND, WENDY STARTED THIS CONCEPT PRIMARILY FOR HAVE HERE, UH, YOU GO RIGHT BACK, THE WHOLE, WE'LL PICK THAT RIGHT BACK UP.

WHEN LEFT OFF, WE'LL GET OFF THE RECORD AND WE'LL COME RIGHT BACK.

OH, JUST A SCHOOL.

I'M NOT OH, ARE YOU? HI.

THE WAY, UM, IN JANUARY.

UM, SO THIS ONE WAS REALLY, HE TRIED TO FOCUS, THESE ARE JUST THE UPDATES ARE THE QUESTIONS WE RECEIVED AND OUR ANSWERS TO THEM.

AND UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT WENT PRETTY WELL.

UM, HI SARAH, WAIVER.

SARAH.

SO STAFF HAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS OF GOK.

SARAH AND SARAH.

AND WE KIND PULLED OUT JUST LAID IT ALL OUT LIKE, YEAH, SARAH, MIKE IS OPEN, LIKE IN MY OWN,

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LIKE I'LL BE WORDY AND LIKE TRY TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING FULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY, COMPLETELY ABOUT STAFF REPORTS.

AND THEN IN MY BRIEFING IT'S LIKE THE BARE METAPHOR.

LIKE, DO YOU HEAR THE HIGH QUESTION? CAUSE YOU KNOW, LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PARTY YOU, THEY'RE GONNA READ COMMISSIONERS.

WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED.

UH, FY FOR STAFF, THERE'S A LIVE MICROPHONE SOMEWHERE.

OTHER PEOPLE WE'RE HEARING SOME, SOME STUFF ONLINE AND THEY'LL MAINLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'LL ALL KIND OF COME OUT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THEIR HOMEWORK, BUT LAURIE WENT OVER IT ALL.

.

MS. MAYE, WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU INTERRUPT MS. PASINA, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH A ORAL CALL? YES, SIR.

DISTRICT ONE, ABSENT DISTRICT TWO PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE? HE'S PRESENT.

PRESENT DISTRICT FOUR? WE ARE HERE.

DISTRICT FIVE, PRESENT DISTRICT SIX.

PRESENT DISTRICT SEVEN, PRESENT.

DISTRICT EIGHT, PRESENT DISTRICT NINE.

DISTRICT NINE IS PRESENT.

DISTRICT 10, PRESENT.

DISTRICT 11.

DISTRICT 11.

DISTRICT 12 PRESENT.

DISTRICT 13 PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15.

I'M HERE.

OKAY.

NO FORM SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, MARCH 2ND.

IT IS 12:52 PM WELCOME TO, UH, THE DOW CITY PLAIN COMMISSION.

UH, WE'RE GONNA START RIGHT BACK OFF WHERE WE LEFT OFF ON THE BRIEFING, BUT BEFORE WE DO A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES AS EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES ON CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, UH, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

UM, I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO, UH, BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, MS. PASINA WILL KEEP TIME.

SHE WOULD LET YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR TIME IS UP.

UH, THIS IS A HYBRID MEETING.

WE WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.

I WILL JUST PLEASE, UH, LET OUR FOLKS ONLINE KNOW THAT YOU, UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA'S ON.

AND THEN AFTER YOU MAKE YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO STAY ONLINE AS THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

UH, FOR OUR VISITORS HERE WITH US TODAY, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE, AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT.

PLEASE MAKE SURE AT SOME POINT TODAY TO COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THESE, YOU CAN JUST LEAVE 'EM RIGHT THERE ON THE, ON THE TABLE.

WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.

UH, LASTLY, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE, THE BRIEFING OF THE PLANE COMMISSION IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

UH, WE ARE GOING BACK TO WHERE WE, WE USED TO BRIEF BEFORE COVID, WHICH IS IN THE BRIEFING ROOM IN THE BACK.

YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME BACK THERE, UH, MOVING FORWARD DURING THE BRIEFING.

UH, IT IS A TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO STAFF.

WE DON'T TAKE PUBLIC INPUT AT THAT POINT, BUT THEY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK WITH THAT.

COMMISSIONERS.

WE'LL GO BACK TO, UH, MR. MULKEY, WE HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ON, ON, UH, THE CASE IN D SIX.

EXCUSE ME.

SEVEN, UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY HAD, UH, A QUESTION.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

MY QUESTION IS, SINCE WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING THE SETBACK ISSUE WITH THE ZONING AROUND THIS REQUEST BEING A 20 FOOT SETBACK AND THIS PARTICULAR REQUEST BEING FOR A 25 SETBACK, I JUST WANTED TO ASK STAFF, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A 20 FOOT SETBACK OR IS THAT, WAS THAT NOT PART OF THE EQUATION? BECAUSE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT IS 25? YEAH, SO FOR A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE REQUEST LIKE THIS, IT WOULD JUST BE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT AS IT'S CODIFIED IN CHAPTER 51 A, WE COULDN'T MODIFY, UM, THAT SETBACK.

AND SO AS PART OF OUR DECISION, CAN WE NOT ADD SORT OF A RESTRICTION THAT IT COULD ONLY BE 20 FEET BACK? OR IS THAT NOT PERMISSIBLE BECAUSE IT IS JUST A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE? YOU COULD, UM, WELL, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, GIVING THEMSELVES A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.

HOWEVER, THAT WOULD NOT GET AROUND THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUE, I BELIEVE, CUZ IT, THE BASE DISTRICT WOULD STILL BE DUPLEX.

THAT'S CORRECT.

COMMI.

THAT'S RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, THEY, IF AN APPLICANT DECIDED TO DEEDS RESTRICT IT, THEY COULD PUSH IT FURTHER BACK.

BUT THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUE WOULD STILL EXIST BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SETBACK, THE INVISIBLE LINE THAT EXISTS FOR THE DUPLEX DISTRICTS.

I'M NOT FOLLOWING

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THAT.

LET ME TRY AGAIN.

SO, AND THE APPLICANT COULD CHOOSE TO DEEDS RESTRICT IT TO MAKE IT SO THAT WHATEVER THEY DECIDE, WHATEVER DUPLEX THEY DECIDE TO BUILD IS ON THE SAME LINE AS THE R FIVE A SETBACK.

BUT BECAUSE THE DUPLEX DISTRICT HAS A SMALLER SETBACK, THAT SETBACK WOULD GOVERN THE REST OF THE BLOCK.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NO .

YEAH, SO, SO, SO, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE A WAY THAT, UM, AN APPLICANT CAN VOLUNTEER ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR PROPERTY THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT BASE CODE WOULD REQUIRE.

HOWEVER, THAT DOES NOT CHANGE, UM, THE EFFECT OF THAT BASE DISTRICT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

BA BASICALLY WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU CAN'T USE DEED RESTRICTIONS TO GET AROUND A BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, THAT REQUIREMENT THAT WOULD APPLY OTHERWISE.

OKAY.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT YOU COULD DEED RESTRICT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, BUT BECAUSE THE GENERAL ZONING IS 25, THEN NOW THAT 25 WOULD APPLY TO THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES, EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY AGREED TO DEED RESTRICTIONS.

CORRECT.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

EXCELLENT QUESTION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, THANK YOU MR. MULKEY.

ALLIGATOR.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

WE'LL GO TO NEXT CASE.

COMMISSIONER NUMBER SIX.

UH, JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.

MIKE? MM-HMM.

? NO, I'M NOT MINE MIND.

MM-HMM.

, YOU'RE NOT SEEING ME IN THE MEETING.

LET ME TRY IT AGAIN.

I HAVEN'T LOGGED IN AND I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN IF YOU, I JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET TO MY PRESENTATION IS THE THING.

I'M YOU'RE ON THE V OH YEAH.

CAN I USE THAT RIGHT HERE? HE'S GONNA BRING ME HIS

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GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAVE LIFTOFF.

APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY.

UM, CASE NUMBER SIX IS Z 2 23 DASH 1 0 7.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF EAST EAST BOULEVARD BETWEEN KELLOGG AVENUE AND SUNNYVALE STREET.

PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 20.8 ACRES.

IT'S LOCATED IN DISTRICT FOUR, UH, SHOWING YOU AN AERIAL MAP.

UM, BASICALLY, UH, THE SCHOOL SITE IS OUTLINED IN BLUE, PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY SURROUNDING.

HOWEVER, UM, THERE IS, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ISOLATED MULTI-FAMILY TWO A DISTRICTS, UH, TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHURCHES IN THE AREA.

THERE'S A LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET WITHIN A PD.

UM, AND THERE IS ANOTHER PUBLIC SCHOOL TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE, UM, DOWN EAST KEYS BOULEVARD.

SO THIS LITTLE STRIP RIGHT HERE OF PD 6 71, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A PUBLIC LIBRARY ACROSS EAST KEYS BOULEVARD AND ONE OF THE, UH, UNDEVELOPED MULTI-FAMILY TWO A PROPERTIES IS ADJACENT TO THAT.

AND THERE'S

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ALSO A, A LARGE UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY TO THE EAST.

AND THEN ALSO A LARGE SURFACE PARKING LOT THAT SERVES THE PUBLIC LIBRARY.

THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS ARE MAINLY R 75 A.

HOWEVER, TO THE SOUTH THERE IS AN R FIVE A DISTRICT, UM, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THE SUBJECT SITE.

UH, THE SCHOOL THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY IS OOW HOMES ACADEMY.

IT'S I BELIEVE A HUMANITIES AND COMMUNICATIONS ACADEMY.

UM, THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO CONSTRUCT THE NEW SCHOOL, UM, WHICH WILL BE, UH, RENAMED JOHN LEWIS SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY.

AND THEN THEY WILL DEMOLISH THE EXISTING SCHOOL.

UM, AND, UH, THE ATHLETIC FIELDS FOR THAT NEW SCHOOL WILL BE BASICALLY IN THE GENERAL AREA WHERE THE CURRENT SCHOOL IS LOCATED.

UM, THIS IS, UH, JUST A REPEAT OF SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE CASE REPORT.

UM, THE CHART SHOWING YOU THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE R FIVE A DISTRICT AND THEN SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PROPOSED SCHOOL USE AT THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

UM, THERE ISN'T A GREAT DEAL OF CHANGE IN TERMS OF, UH, SETBACKS.

UM, THERE ARE SOME OTHER DISTRICTS ON THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK WITH THIS SCHOOL.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE, UH, THOSE ARE SIDE YARDS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT.

SO WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME RESTRICTION IN TERMS OF, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK CONTINUITY THAT WOULD NORMALLY APPLY.

I'M JUST GONNA TAKE YOU AROUND THE SITE.

THIS IS, UH, THE SITE FROM EAST KEITH BOULEVARD, UM, LOOKING EAST.

AND THEN I'M GONNA WORK MY WAY AROUND COUNTERCLOCKWISE.

UH, THIS IS AN EXISTING, UH, ENTRY DRIVE WHERE THE SERVICE AREA IS.

THIS AREA RIGHT HERE IS WHERE, UH, THERE'S GOING TO BE ATHLETIC FIELDS ON THE PROPERTY, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, FOOTBALL.

UM, AND THEN I'M GONNA WORK MY WAY, LIKE I SAID, CLOCK COUNTERCLOCKWISE, START TO SEE SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I WAS, UH, REFERRING TO THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT IS LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A SIDE YARD THAT'S FACING ON EAST KEYS BOULEVARD.

OOPS.

I KEEP GOING BACKWARDS.

AND THEN THIS IS THE SAME SINGLE FAMILY, UH, LOT FROM THE, THE FRONT LOOKING AT THE, UH, UNDEVELOPED MULTI-FAMILY TWO A ACROSS EAST KEITH BOULEVARD.

YOU CAN SEE THE LIBRARY IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE EXISTING, UH, MAIN ENTRY OF THE, OF THE SCHOOL.

UM, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY BACK BEHIND IN THE R FIVE A, SEE THE UNDEVELOPED MULTI-FAMILY LOT TO THE RIGHT AND THE LIBRARY TO THE LEFT.

AND THEN LOOKING AT THE LIBRARY, UH, WORKING AWAY DOWN THE OTHER SIDE OF, OR THE OTHER END OF EAST KEYS BOULEVARD.

THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF THE CAMPUS.

THIS IS THE LARGE SURFACE LOT THAT SERVES THE PUBLIC LIBRARY.

ANOTHER, ANOTHER UNDEVELOPED, UH, PORTION OF PROPERTY ACROSS FROM THE SITE.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, ELECTRICAL TOWER.

UM, IN, IN THE PHOTO HERE.

THIS IS ACTUALLY, THERE'S A, A UTILITY EASEMENT, A ENCORE PROPERTY THAT RUNS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE CAMPUS SITE LOOKING TOWARDS, UH, SUNNYVALE STREET.

AND THEN THIS IS, THIS IS THE SAME SIDE OF THE STREET AS THE CAMPUS.

THE CAMPUS IS ON THE LEFT OF THIS PHOTO, THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE RIGHT.

AND THEN THIS IS THE UTILITY EASEMENT, THE ENCORE PROPERTY THAT RUNS THROUGH, THERE'S A PUBLIC PATHWAY THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE.

THEN LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE CAMPUS, THIS IS A LOCATION OF THE, UH, EXISTING ATHLETIC FIELDS.

THEY'RE KIND OF HARD TO SEE BEHIND THE PARKING THERE, BUT THERE ARE SOME ATHLETIC FIELDS THERE.

AND THEN LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE CAMPUS, AGAIN, THE OTHER EXISTING CURB CUT AND THEN THE EXISTING ENTRY, BASICALLY RIGHT ACROSS FROM WHERE THE LIBRARY IS.

SO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN CAN SEE, UH, THE CAMPUS OR THE, THE NEW BUILDING WILL BE BUILT ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, STUDENTS WILL CONTINUE TO ATTEND CLASSES IN THE EXISTING BUILDING, AND THEN WHEN THEY MOVED TO THE NEW CAMPUS OR TO THE NEW BUILDING, UM, THAT EXISTING BUILDING WILL BE DEMOLISHED.

AND THEN THEY WILL DEVELOP THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.

AND THE PARKING THAT YOU SEE HERE.

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UM, THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE HARD TO SEE, BUT I'M JUST KIND OF, I'M NOT REALLY SURE IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS OUT VERY WELL, BUT I'M GONNA GIVE IT A TRY.

YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING CAMPUS SHOWING OVER HERE ON THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN BLUE IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE NEW CAMPUS OVER TO THE EAST AND SOME PAVING HERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THE FRONT AND THE EAST SIDE.

AND THEN ATHLETIC FIELDS WHERE THE EXISTING CAMPUS IS.

UH, SO THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXISTING, UH, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS FOR THE, THE EXISTING SCHOOL.

UM, AND, AND AS I MENTIONED IN THE CASE REPORT, UH, PREDOMINANTLY RIGHT NOW THE QUEUING AND STUDENT DROP OFF AND PICK UP OCCUR ON THE PUBLIC RIGHTS OF WAY.

BOTH SIDES OF EAST EAST BOULEVARD APPARENTLY GET PRETTY BACKED UP.

UM, THERE IS SOME STUDENT DROP OFF AND PICK UP THAT HAPPENS IN THE LIBRARY LOT ACROSS THE WAY.

AND THEN IN SOME OF THE, THE SIDE STREETS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ALSO, UM, COLLECTS SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC AND PARKING DURING THE, THE PEAK TIMES FOR DROP OFF AND PICKUP.

SO THIS IS EXISTING CONDITION.

UM, UM, BUT WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, ALL OF THE QUEUING IS PROPOSED TO BE TAKING PLACE ON THE, UH, SCHOOL SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, NOT IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, AND IT IS SPECIFIED ALSO THAT THE, THE, THE, THERE'S NO QUEUING, THERE'S NO PARKING, THERE'S NO DROP OFF AND PICKUP ON THE RIGHTS OF WAY OR AT THE, UH, SURFACE LOT FOR THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET.

SO EVERYTHING IS CONTAINED WITHIN THE CAMPUS.

UM, AND I HAVE THIS JUST FOR REFERENCE IN CASE WE NEED IT, BUT THIS IS, THERE'S AN APPENDIX TO THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THIS IS IN THE CASE REPORT AS WELL, UM, SHOWING SOME SIGNAGE, UM, THAT'S GONNA BE PROPOSED, BUT THIS IS REALLY GONNA GET WORKED OUT MORE AT PERMITTING AND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND CONDITIONS AS SHOWN IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

I LOVE THAT THE QUEUING CAN HAPPEN ON THE PROPERTY.

NICE JOB.

THAT IS IDEAL WHENEVER IT CAN BE MADE TO HAPPEN.

YES.

SO I DID, DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A PUBLIC LOT BASICALLY ACROSS IN CONNECTION WITH THE LIBRARY.

SO MY QUESTION IS GONNA RELATE TO PARKING MM-HMM.

.

SO I READ IN THE REPORT THAT 105 SPACES ARE REQUIRED, BUT 183 ARE PROPOSED.

SO CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY ALL THIS PARKING IS NEEDED, ESPECIALLY GIVEN YOU'VE GOT OVERFLOW ACROSS THE STREET? SO MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THE APPLICANT, UH, CUZ STAFF ASKED THIS EXACT QUESTION, AND IT IS, YOU'LL NOTICE IN THAT SECTION OF THE CASE REPORT THAT THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY AREA WHERE STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE LESS PAVEMENT AND POSSIBLY SHARING OF THE, THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THE REASON FOR THE OVERFLOW PARKING HAS TO DO WITH SPECIAL EVENT PARKING.

UM, BUT SO, BUT STAFF WOULD AGAIN RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK INTO A SHARING AGREEMENT WITH THE PUBLIC LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REQUIRE, UM, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY WOULD RECOMMEND.

UM, AND WE ALSO, UH, WE ALSO ASK THEM TO LOOK INTO OTHER WAYS OF REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT SUCH AS POSSIBLY USING, UM, COMPACT SPACES OR AN ALTERNATE TYPE OF PAVEMENT THAT WOULD BE PERMEABLE.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SPACES ARE AT THE LIBRARY? I DON'T, I DIDN'T COUNT, BUT IT'S A MASSIVE LOT.

UM, I, I DON'T, I CAN LOOK THAT UP, UH, THAT QUICKLY.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

AND IT'S PUBLIC.

ANYONE CAN PARK THERE, RIGHT? UH, I I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT EXACTLY.

I MEAN, I, IT'S A PUBLIC LIBRARY.

UM, I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO DEFER TO CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON THAT.

I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU CAN PARK THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU COULD RELY ON IT FOR YOUR OVERFLOW PARKING AS A RULE WITHOUT GOING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM.

OKAY.

SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND ALSO A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

UH, COMMISSIONER STANDARD, LET ME, I I DO WANNA ASK YOU SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, THE, THE PARKING.

WOULDN'T YOU THINK THAT OKAY, I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE THE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY SPORTS ORIENTED SCHOOL.

UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A BASEBALL FIELD, A SOCCER FIELD, AND ARE PLANNING FOR A FOOTBALL FIELD.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE PUT A LOT INTO HAVING THREE FIELDS AT A SCHOOL.

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AND ISN'T THE LIBRARY A ACROSS KEITH BOULEVARD? IT IT IS.

UM, OKAY.

SO ISN'T THAT A VERY BIG THOROUGHFARE? HOW WOULD SOMEONE, MY FEELING IS THIS, AND TELL ME IF I'M CORRECT OR NOT.

IF YOU'RE COMING TO SEE YOUR KIDS, AND ONE THING YOU HAVE TO THINK IS THE FUNCTIONALITY I WANT TO DRIVE TO THE SCHOOL, THERE MIGHT BE SIMULTANEOUSLY A BASEBALL, A SOCCER, A FOOTBALL PRACTICE GOING ON.

PARENTS GO TO THIS, I CAN'T IMAGINE.

I MEAN IT, I AGREE.

I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO STOP MM-HMM.

CEMENT.

BUT WHAT IS THE, THE REALIST OF PARKING ACROSS EAST AND HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE SAFELY GONNA GET ACROSS WITHOUT WALKING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SO AND SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FORMALLY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO TO SEE IF IT IS FEASIBLE.

UM, IT'S A FOUR-LANE DIVIDED ROAD.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WANT A LOT OF KIDS TO BE RUNNING ACROSS REGULARLY.

HOWEVER, I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A MIDDLE SCHOOL CAMPUS, NOT A HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS.

SO I THINK THE CROWDS ARE GONNA BE DIFFERENT.

IF THERE IS A WAY THAT THEY COULD LOOK INTO, UH, SHARING PARKING WITH SURROUNDING, UH, USES AND THEY CAN REDUCE THE PAVEMENT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

IF THEY CAN'T FEASIBLY DO IT, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING TO, YOU KNOW, NOT APPROVE THE CASE OR CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION IN ANY WAY.

AND WHAT IS THE POPULATION OF THIS SCHOOL? THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS? I APPROXIMATELY 800.

808 8 33.

ABOUT 800.

YEAH.

SO WITH 8 33, WOULD IT SEEM UNREASONABLE TO HAVE 80 EXTRA SPACES POTENTIALLY FOR COMING TO SPORTS THINGS BY PARENTS? I MEAN, WOULD YOU THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE AT A SCHOOL? UH, WE ASKED, WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK INTO POSSIBLY REDUCING THE PARKING AND THE PAVING IF THEY CAN.

IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN THAT CERTAINLY AT THEIR DISCRETION.

BUT YOU DO AGREE THAT SCHOOLS DO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS, IN FACT, NOT EVEN JUST THAT THEY'VE GOT MUSIC EVENTS, THEY HAVE ALL SORTS OF THINGS GOING ON AT A MIDDLE SCHOOL THAT PARENTS DO COME TO ATTEND? POSSIBLY.

WOULD YOU AGREE? VERY.

THAT'S MY QUESTION.

MARK .

VERY, VERY, DO I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID? I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EVENTS, BUT I THINK, I THINK THAT THE, THE APPLICANT IS GONNA KNOW THAT BEST.

AND SO YES, I DO TOO.

IF IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, THEN WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CHANGING OUR RECOMMENDATION.

WE ARE JUST ASKING IF THERE'S A WAY TO REDUCE THE PAPER.

SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GIVE LEEWAY TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS, DON'T YOU, JENNIFER .

I THINK WE NEED TO STICK TO THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT WE HAVE AT HAND.

.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD.

YOU'RE GOT ONE OF MY QUESTIONS AHEAD OF ME AGAIN.

YOU'RE NOW APPARENTLY ARE SHARING NOTES TODAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOLLOWED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER HARBERT.

GOOD MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON? THIS AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, I KNOW I'M A I'M GONNA BE WRONG.

FIRST HALF A SECOND.

I LOVE THIS.

THIS I LOVE THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL.

SO MY QUE , I KNEW YOU WOULD, I WAS THINKING OF YOU WHEN I PUT THAT SLIDE IN THAT SHOWED EXISTING VERSUS NOW.

OKAY.

SO MY, MY QUESTION IS IN, UM, ALIGN THE LONGS ALONG THE LINES OF PARKING AND PARKING, WHEN YOU SAID, IF I, IF I'M CORRECT, YOU, YOU GUYS DID ASK THAT THEY CONSIDERED COMPACT PARKING.

YES MA'AM.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR SECTION OF THE CITY, UM, WE LIKE BIG CARS, THE BIGGER, THE BIGGER.

IS IT WRONG THAT I HAVE A SONG PLAYING IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW? ? NO, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU GOING THERE, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO, UM, ARE YOU AWARE IF YOU REDUCE OR IF YOU REQUIRE COMPACT PARKING, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS LOSING PARKING? BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS PARK OUR CAR IN TWO SPOTS.

ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? SO, SO, SO I'LL THE, THE QUESTION AT HAND, UM, I WILL SAY THAT WE'RE NOT REQUIRING COMPACT PARKING.

OKAY.

WE'RE SIMPLY ASKING THAT THEY, AND IT'S, IT'S LOOK FOR WAYS TO REDUCE THE PAVING.

AND THOSE ARE SUCH AS EXAMPLES.

SO IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REMINDER THAT THE CODE DOES ALLOW UP TO 35% OF THE REQUIRED PARKING TO BE COMPACT SPACES.

THERE IS A SURFACE LOT ACROSS THE WAY.

CAN YOU LOOK INTO SHARING, UH, CAN YOU LOOK AT ALTERNATE PAVEMENT

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MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE PERMEABLE? JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS SIMPLY AN ASK IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE NONPERMEABLE SURFACE.

AND IF IT'S NOT FEASIBLE, STAFF IS, IS WHOLEHEARTEDLY RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS IS WITH THAT SIMPLE ASK.

OH, I APPRECIATE THAT.

YES MA'AM.

SO, SO YOU'RE, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, JUST SO THAT I GET IT RIGHT, IS THAT YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY REDUCTION IN PARKING, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES.

YOU'RE ONLY ASK, YOU ARE ONLY MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE SUGGESTION TO THE APPLICANT THAT THEY CONSIDER SOME ALTERNATIVES, BUT IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

CORRECT.

THANK YOU.

RIGHT.

SO REMEMBER, I'LL TAKE A MINUTE TO PLUG THE PARKING THING.

STAFF WOULD ALWAYS LOVE A REDUCTION IN PARKING, BUT, BUT IT'S MINIMUMS THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT AN A THAT A, THE DEVELOPER CAN'T PROVIDE MORE BASED ON WHAT THEY KNOW THE NEEDS OF THE SITE TO BE.

AND SO IF THIS IS A TIME WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THEY NEED MORE BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS.

AND I THINK ALSO, UM, THIS WAS A COMMUNITY ASK THAT WE WANT CARS OFF THE STREET.

WE WANT CARS OUT OF THE , THE LIBRARY THAT WE DON'T WANT KIDS IN.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS.

WE WANT THIS ALL KEPT ONSITE.

AND SO I THINK THAT THEY WERE BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND ASKS.

SO IF THEY KNOW THEY NEED MORE, WE, WE SUPPORT THIS AS IS.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WILLER.

AND ALSO, DOESN'T THIS SCHOOL, UM, SIT IN MORE THAN ONE THIRD OR FOUR? IS HIS AT, AT BOTH, UM, KEYS AND AT ILLINOIS? OR IS IT A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN IN ILLINOIS? UH, ILLINOIS IS, IS FURTHER DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.

MM-HMM.

, THERE'S ACTUALLY THE, THE UTILITY RIGHT OF WAY.

THEN THERE'S SOME, THERE'S UH, SUNNYVALE STREET AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF SINGLE FAMILY.

AND THEN YOU GET TO EAST ILLINOIS.

OKAY.

MM-HMM.

, COMMISSIONER HARBOR.

YES.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO A COUPLE THINGS.

IT'S A SIX.

THOSE ARE SIX LANES THAT WE HAVE TO CROSS.

UM, AND OFTEN I, I, I LIVED IN THAT AREA FOR A LONG TIME, STILL OWN THE HOME.

MY MOTHER LIVES IN THAT AREA AND WE DO EXPERIENCE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S TIME TO VOTE.

UM, A LOT OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE ALREADY STARTED THIS TRANSITION PLAN.

SO SCHOOLS HAVE CLOSED, STUDENTS HAVE MOVED ON, VOTING SITES HAVE CLOSED.

AND JUST RECENTLY, HOLMES WAS A VOTING SITE AND THE LIBRARY WAS A VOTING SITE AND WE LITERALLY WERE CHASING EACH OTHER'S TAILS.

UM, QUESTION, DO WE, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE, UM, THIS SCHOOL WILL SERVE? UH, THE NEW SCHOOL? I'M SORRY, NOT THE, THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

YEAH.

UM, OTHER QUESTION.

UM, OR COMMENT, THE PARKING LOT AT PAUL DUNBAR, DID YOU SEE THE SIZE OF THOSE CAR LOT, THOSE PARKING SPOTS? THEY'RE PRETTY COMPACT.

UM, LAST QUESTION IN CLARITY STATEMENT IS THAT LIBRARY IS THE ONLY ONE FOR SEVERAL MILES AND IT SERVES A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND IT GETS CROWDED AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR.

SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THOSE NOTES OUT THERE.

I'M NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT YEAH, THAT, UH, USING RECENTLY WE WERE USING THE SCHOOLS PARKING LOT TO PARK TO VOTE ACROSS THE STREET AT THE LIBRARY.

UM, JUST FYI.

SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO PUT THOSE ITEMS OUT THERE THAT, AND HOPE THAT WE DO MORE HOMEWORK ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT COMMUNITY, UM, WHEN WE PRESENT.

BUT THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

THIS WAS ALGAR.

MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE, UH, NUMBER MAGNITUDE OF THE ATHLETIC FIELDS ON THIS, UM, PARTICULAR SITE, BECAUSE THIS IS FAR MORE THAN A TYPICAL MIDDLE, MIDDLE SCHOOL USUALLY HAS.

DO WE KNOW, UM, IS D I S D PLANNING TO USE THIS AS A, SOME SORT OF LIKE REGIONAL OR AREA, UM, ATHLETIC FACILITY? THAT, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

THAT DID NOT COME UP.

OKAY.

WELL MY QUESTION THEN, I HA GIVEN THE NUMBER OF CASES WE HAVE HAD IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON C P C WHERE WE, WHERE ATHLETIC FIELDS PRESENT ISSUES TO NEIGHBORS AND WE HAVE, UH, NEIGHBORS HERE TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTHWEST WITH A 10 FOOT SEPARATION, UM, I DON'T SEE ANY CONDITIONS WHATSOEVER IN THE S U P CONDITIONS ABOUT BALL FIELDS, YOU KNOW, HOURS, DAYS, UH, IT HAS, THEY HAVE DIGITAL SCOREBOARDS.

THERE'S NOT MUCH SEPARATE, IT LOOKS LIKE A FOUR FOOT CHAIN OF FENCE PRESS BOX, IT LOOKS LIKE PRETTY INTENSIVE ATHLETIC ACTIVITY.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A 20 FOOT SEPARATION JUST TO SAY.

OKAY.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A FOOTBALL FIELD.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO WE DID DISCUSS, UM, AMPLIFIED MUSIC, WHAT REACTIONS THEY GOT FROM THE NEIGHBORS IN THEIR RE IN THEIR, UM, OUTREACH.

UM, THEY INDICATED THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE CONCERNS EXPRESSED FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I, I'LL ALLOW THEM TO GO INTO THAT MORE.

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UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UH, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, SOME RESTRICTIONS IN TERMS OF TIMES AND UH, WHATEVER THEY MAY BE RELATED TO THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, THESE THINGS COULD BE, UH, ADDED AS A CONDITION.

I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.

I DON'T SEE LIGHTS ON THIS PLAN.

IF LIGHTS WERE WANTED DOWN THE ROAD, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THEY COULD DO BY RIGHT.

OR WOULD LIGHTS HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AS A, SOME KIND OF A, A NEW ZONING CHANGE OR AN AMENDMENT? SO, UM, I DID ASK IF THEY WERE PROPOSING ANY LIGHTS AT THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.

THEY'RE NOT AT THIS TIME.

UM, SINCE THAT LIGHTING IS NOT REQUIRED LIGHTING, SAY FOR A PARKING LOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, UM, TECHNICALLY THEY NEED TO COME BACK HERE AND, AND ADD THAT TO THE SITE PLAN.

UM, WHETHER OR NOT, UM, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD MAKE THEM COME BACK FOR THAT OR NOT? I CAN'T, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FOR THEM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I'LL YES MA'AM.

ASK QUESTIONS AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD.

YES.

UM, ONE MINUTE.

I HAD TWO QUESTIONS.

YOU GOT ME ON THAT LIGHTING.

OKAY.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS ABOUT PROCEDURE CUZ YOU SAID YOU SUGGESTED ABOUT THE PERMEABLE SURFACE, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET SOMETHING CODIFIED ON THAT.

BUT ARE WE ABLE IN THIS TO REQUIRE A PERCENTAGE OF PERMEABLE SURFACE ON THE PARKING? UH, YOU, YOU COULD PUT RESTRICTIONS ON THE AMOUNT OF, UH, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE PROPERTY.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN SOME PARKING LOTS WHAT THEY DO IS PUT A PROPORTION, AND I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT ON THE, ISN'T THAT CORRECT ON THE FRONT PART OF IT? THAT PART OF IT WILL BE SEAMEN IN PART MORE PERMEABLE TO ABSORB THE WATER.

HAVE YOU SEEN THAT BEFORE? I MEAN, YES.

YES.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITS PUT IN AT THIS POINT, BUT WE CERTAINLY COULD.

WELL I'M THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, UH, IT IS A QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING IS IT POSSIBLE.

SO I GUESS THAT'S IT.

MM-HMM.

AND I WOULD HOPE THAT BEFORE WE GET TO THIS AFTERNOON, MAYBE WE COULD GET SOMEONE TO SAY WHAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO ON THAT.

ANY RATE, I'LL LOOK INTO THAT.

SO I THINK, I THINK I WOULD JUST SAY, UM, THAT WE, WE DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS, UM, WITH THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF UM, ALTERNATE PAVING MATERIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'VE LOOKED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SINCE THEN AND CAN ADDRESS THAT FOR YOU.

AND A AS YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH I LOVE D I S D AND I'M THEIR BIGGEST ADVOCATE, ON THE OTHER HAND, I ALWAYS THINK IF YOU PUT SOMETHING IN, THEY HAVE TO DO IT AS OPPOSED TO OPTIONAL.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS ABOUT LIGHTING CUZ I'M ALSO A PERSON THAT BELIEVES IN THAT WE'RE NOT ANYMORE IN 30 FOOT LIGHTS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY BE REQUIRING SOME NOT SO HIGHLIGHTING THAT DOESN'T, PARTICULARLY ON THAT WEST SIDE, THAT IS RIGHT BY, YOU KNOW, WHERE THOSE FIELDS, BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME LIGHTING JUST FOR SECURITY OUT THERE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT LIGHTING THE FIELDS PER SE.

I'M SAYING THAT I WOULD THINK THE LIGHTS ON THE WEST SIDE MIGHT NEED TO BE MORE OF IT, THE 15 FOOT HEIGHT AS OPPOSED TO THE 30 FOOT HEIGHT THAT GOES RIGHT INTO YOUR BEDROOM WINDOWS ANYWAY.

THANKS MR. CHAIR.

IF I MAY REAL QUICK TO PLEASE COMMISSIONER STANDARD'S QUESTION ABOUT THE PERMEABLE PARKING.

IF THAT IS A CONDITION THAT THIS BODY WANTS TO DO, IT WOULD HAVE TO PUT ON THE, IT WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW IT MAKES THE USE MORE COMPATIBLE.

SO IT'S WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW, UM, A PUBLIC, HOW PERMEABLE PARKING LOT WOULD MAKE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

WELL, WHAT ABOUT WHEN WE PUT CEMENT? OKAY, I'M ASKING THE CITY ATTORNEY THIS QUESTION.

WOULD IT BE REASONABLE TO SUGGEST THAT WHERE WE ARE PUTTING EXTRA PARKING PLACES THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED, TRYING NOT TO HAVE CEMENT SO MUCH THAT PUTTING PERMEABLE GIVES MORE AREA FOR STORM WATER RUNOFF.

THAT AS A, AS A NON-ENGINEER COMMISSIONER STANDARD, THAT, THAT RATIONALE MAKES SENSE TO ME, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO MR. NAVARRES IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ABOUT SOME OF THOSE, UH, WATER.

BUT THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH REASONING BEHIND IT TO POTENTIALLY INCLUDE IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, I, YES, YES.

OKAY.

IF I SAID LIKE 15% AND THAT'S ONE OF MY REASONINGS SORRY, YOU SAID NO, I'M JUST SAYING HYPOTHETICALLY IF I SAID A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PARKING LOT MUST BE PERMEABLE MADE OF

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PERMEABLE SURFACE MATERIALS, THAT THE REASONING WOULD BE ENOUGH TO SAY FOR THE STORM WATER RUNOFF, FOR THE EXTRA CEMENT, YOU CAN JUST SAY YES, ENOUGH OF ME TO IT'S A SAFE ANSWER.

OH, YES.

THAT, YES.

YES.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

JUST TWO QUICK FOLLOW UPS ON THE DISCUSSION PER LIGHTING AND THE, UM, OUTDOOR SPORTS CART, WAS THERE ANY, UM, DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT CONSIDERING, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW TO ADDRESS OUTDOOR NOISE SPEAKERS? I SEE THERE'S A PRESS BOX ON SITE, UM, PERHAPS HOURS OF OPERATION AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS NON-REQUIRED LIGHTING, NO NON CODE REQUIRED LIGHTING RELATIVE TO THESE SPORTS COURTS THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE PROVISIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM, SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU HAD DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT? UH, WE, WE DIDN'T DISCUSS, UH, THE, THE LOUD SPEAKERS.

WE DISCUSSED THE LIGHTING WHETHER THEY WERE PROPOSING IT OR NOT.

UM, AND THEY WEREN'T AT THIS TIME.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE THAT DISCUSSION ENDED.

OKAY.

I'M HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE APPLICANT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

HARBERT, PLEASE.

SO, UM, JUST CURRENTLY ON SITE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK ON KEYS AND THERE IS A LANE FOR, UM, PARENTS TO DRIVE IN AND OUT.

UM, ARE WE EXPANDING THAT AREA? UH, WHICH AREA? THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL WHERE PARENTS ARE CURRENTLY DRIVING AND OH, HAVE THE CHOICE TO AND DECIDE NOT TO, IN MY OPINION.

UM, A LOT OF THEM DON'T DRIVE INTO THAT AREA.

THERE'S PARKING AND THEN THERE'S A LANE TO WALK THROUGH, I MEAN, TO DRIVE THROUGH.

SOME PARENTS DRIVE THROUGH IT, I'VE NOTICED AND PICK UP THEIR KIDS.

SOME PEOPLE STAY ON KEYS.

UM, AND I KNOW A PART OF OUR, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OFF STREET PARKING, I MEAN OFF STREET QUEUING FOR STUDENTS.

IT'S THERE NOW.

SO ARE WE MAKING THAT BETTER OR, SO THE, THE AREA THAT YOU'RE SEEING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN HERE, UHHUH , UM, I BELIEVE IS ROUGHLY SIMILAR TO THE AREA THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS MM-HMM .

UM, THERE IS, THERE IS AN ADDED LOOP, OKAY.

THAT GOES AROUND THIS, UH, NEW SMALL PARKING LOT.

UM, THE SOLID LINES HERE ARE Q SPOTS DROP OFF AND PICK UP IS NOT SUPPOSED TO OCCUR THERE UNTIL THEY GO AROUND THE LOOP AND THEN PICK UP WITHIN THESE DESIGNATED AREAS.

UM, THAT IS THE, I GUESS, PARENT DROPOFF AND PICKUP AREA.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ADDING, UM, AND I, I BELIEVE CURRENTLY THE BUSES QUEUE IN THIS AREA, RIGHT? SO THE BUSES WILL NOT SHARE THIS AREA THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR PARENT DROP OFF AND PICK UP.

THE BUSES NOW HAVE THEIR OWN DESIGNATED AREA TO, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THEIR THEIR OWN ENTRANCE AND THEY WILL GO AROUND AND QUEUE IN THE BACK OF THE SCHOOL AND STUDENTS WHO TAKE BUSES WILL, YOU KNOW, LOAD THE BUSES THERE AND THEN THEY WILL EXIT OUT THAT SAME, SO THERE'S NO CROSSING OF, YOU KNOW, STANDARD VEHICLES V VERSUS BUSES.

YES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

THANK YOU.

SURE.

MM-HMM.

, OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? YES, PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

UM, JENNIFER, I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD PLAN, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING ON IT.

UH, YOU AND THE, THE APPLICANT IN OUR CONVERSATIONS.

UM, WE MAINLY TALKED ABOUT THE, THE AREAS AROUND THE PERIPHERY, UM, INCLUDING THE QUEUING LINE, THE BUS LINE, UM, AND THEN ALSO WALKING TRAILS.

IN OUR CONVERSATIONS, WE, I, I REQUESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL, THE GOVERNMENTS OR TECH DOT OR THE AUTHORITIES FOR THOSE AREAS, AND ALSO CONSIDERING A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, UM, WITH THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET.

AND THE NOTION BEHIND THAT IS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION WITH NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL, THE GOVERNMENTS OR OTHER AUTHORITIES AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO DEPRESS THE ROAD SO THAT WE HAVE A PROMENADE THAT WOULD MAKE IT A SAFE TREK ACROSS THE STREET TO THE LIBRARY AND POTENTIALLY INCLUDE THE LIBRARY IN THEIR CONVERSATION.

UM, HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T WANT THAT CONVERSATION TO STOP THE SCHOOL GOING FORWARD, AND, AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH ME AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAD THAT SAME OR, OR DO YOU HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF FEELING THAT THEY'LL HAVE AN ONGOING CONVERSATION TO STILL DEAL WITH THOSE CONCERNS.

MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I THINK WE'VE KIND

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OF GOT OFF TOPIC FROM THE S U AT HAND.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WELL, SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING IN THE ADJACENT EASEMENT ON THE EAST PORTION OF THE SITE WITH THE 12 FOOT? UM, WALKING TRAIL IS, UH, NO, UH, AS THAT IS, THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY ENCORE, BUT CAN THERE BE A PARKING AGREEMENT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING WITH THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET? UM, JUST TO SAY THAT IF WE REQUIRE MORE PARKING AND WHERE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO, MY BIGGEST ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S A SEA OF PARKING IN FRONT OF THIS BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED SCHOOL THAT'LL CREATE A HEAT ISLAND AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

AND I DON'T THINK IT GIVES US THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE ON A SOCIAL JUSTICE ACADEMY AND HOW THE COMMUNITY WOULD WANT TO COME AND APPROACH THE SITE.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY I'VE ASKED FOR THOSE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS.

UM, BUT PRIMARILY IF WE WERE TO HAVE THIS QUEUING, WHY DIDN'T IT NOT OCCUR SOUTH OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD, UM, WHERE WE HAVE IT IN PLAN TO THE WEST? DO YOU HAVE I I WILL DEFER TO THE APPLICANT ON THAT.

OKAY.

UM, ALSO WITH THE REQUIRED 105 SPACES, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE 183 IS PROPOSED BECAUSE OF THOSE FIELDS AND THE SOCIAL JUSTICE NATURE OF SOME OF THE OUTDOOR AREAS.

IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING ALSO? THEY, THEY JUST, UH, THEY DESCRIBED IT AS, UH, PARKING FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, ALL INCLUSIVE.

UM, AND THIS QUESTION IS FOR LEGAL.

WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO REQUIRE, UM, CO-GENERATION SYSTEMS INSIDE THE BUILDING LIKE SOLAR PANELS OR SOME SORT OF, UM, CO GENERATING ENERGY SOURCE AS A USE OF THE LAND COMMISSIONER? YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN HOW THAT MAKES THE USE MORE COMPATIBLE TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, AND I WOULD STRUGGLE TO SEE THAT, BUT I CAN BE CONVINCED IF I COULD.

UM, WELL, SO IT WOULD BE ALONG THE SAME LINES AS EV CHARGING STATIONS AND THAT, THAT PROVIDE, UM, I GUESS RELIEF TO THE ELECTRIC GRID AND ALSO MULTIMODALITY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING.

BUT FOR THE SCHOOL ITSELF, IT WOULD EASE THE ELECTRIC GRID IN THE AREA AND NOT BE SO MUCH OF AN EYESORE AS THE, UM, ELECTRIC TRANSMISSION LINES.

I GUESS I WOULD SAY.

MOREOVER, I'M LOOKING AT A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY, UM, TO BUILD A SCHOOL THAT THEN REFLECTS, UM, WHERE WE'RE GOING IN TERMS OF ENERGY AND LAND USE AS GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR LAND AND ENVIRONMENT.

IS THAT CONVINCING ENOUGH? ? LET, LET, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT DURING THE NEXT BREAK.

COMMISSIONER? YES, I, I I WOULD LIKE TO INTERJECT HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS IS, UH, SEPARATELY OWNED PROPERTY.

SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE IDEA WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, UM, BUT THOSE POWER LINES ARE A PUBLIC UTILITY AND WE, WE CAN'T DICTATE ANY CHANGE TO THAT.

WELL, LET ME PUT SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF OF THE NEW BUILDING SO THAT WE RELIEVE THE GRID FOR THE AREA AND WE ARE CREATING A, A PRETTY LARGE BUILDING HERE THAT WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE LOCAL GRID.

RIGHT.

UM, ALSO BECAUSE IN THAT SAME LANE, UM, MYSELF AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO DISCUSS, UM, PERMEABLE PARKING AND PERMEABLE CONCRETE AS ONE OF THOSE ENERGY SAVING MEASURES THAT I WOULD WANT TO PUT IN THE CONDITIONS, WHICH IS WHY I PREFERENCE THAT QUESTION.

UM, AND THEN SO LASTLY, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE STUDENTS THAT ARE EXISTING ON THE CAMPUS WILL STILL BE THERE WHILE THIS OTHER STRUCTURE IS BEING THAT'S