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GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

[Landmark Commission Meeting on March 6, 2023.]

THIS IS THE, UH, PUBLIC MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION FOR DALLAS.

IT IS 1 0 8 ON MARCH 6TH, AND I'M CALLING THE MEETING TO ORDER.

UH, I AM THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION, EVELYN MONTGOMERY.

AND OUR VICE CHAIR IS, UH, COMMISSIONER COURTNEY FALLACY.

AND WE WILL BEGIN BY HAVING OUR BELOVED STAFF MEMBER, ELAINE, CALL OUR ROLE DISTRICT TWO.

COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY, UH, PRESENT DISTRICT THREE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN.

PRESENT, DISTRICT FOUR.

COMMISSIONER SWAN.

PRESENT? DISTRICT FIVE.

COMMISSIONER.

OP PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX.

COMMISSIONER OSA.

PRESENT? DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.

PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER.

SPELL DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER HADU.

HERE, SIR.

DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER SLAVE PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER.

GUEST PRESENT.

DISTRICT 15.

COMMISSIONER VEL.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, ELAINE.

AND FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AT HOME, UH, THE, THE STATE LAW DOES SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE ON CAMERA, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY YOU.

I'M SURE I COULD TELL BY YOUR VOICE, BUT WE STILL NEED TO SEE YOU.

UM, AND WE, UH, I FIRST MUST ASK, WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHO ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ME, UH, THE MINUTES OF OUR LAST MEETING, NOT ABOUT THE CASES TODAY.

AND NO ONE HAD REGISTERED FOR THAT PURPOSE, CHAIRWOMAN.

AND NO, WE CAN'T, WE'RE JUST SEEING YOUR NAME.

OH GOD.

PERHAPS SOMEONE ON HIGH WILL HELP YOU TO REMEDY THIS COMPUTER PROBLEM.

.

OKAY.

.

WELL, YOU HAVE A MINUTE, YOU KNOW, WELL, THAT REALLY THREW ME OFF.

OKAY, .

ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE WE, UM, MOVE TO REORDERING OUR AGENDA AND HEARING OUR CASES, I WANT TO REMIND US THAT OUR, UM, OUR VICE CHAIR SPY IS GOING TO BE MAKING SURE WE STICK TO OUR OWN RULES, WHICH WE SOMETIMES IGNORE ABOUT THE NUMBER OF TIMES, AND THAT A COMMISSIONER MAY SPEAK ON EACH ONE AND, AND HOW LONG WE'RE ALLOWED TO SPEAK SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A SMOOTHER AND QUICKER MEETING AS WE MOVE THROUGH SOME COMPLICATED CASES TODAY.

SO WE BEGIN BY ASKING IF, UH, COMMISSIONERS BEI HAS MOTIONS REGARDING OUR AGENDA.

BEFORE REARRANGING THE AGENDA, I'M GONNA GO OVER THE SPEAKERS THAT I HAVE.

UM, CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, THOSE SIGNED UP, ALI , YONG K ZAFAR, JAMES FERRARA, DAVID GRIFFIN, RUSSELL PETERS, NOEL ATON, RENEE SCHMIDT, AND SEAN WALTERS.

IF YOU ARE PRESENT AND YOUR NAME WASN'T CALLED, WE NEED TO FILL OUT A YELLOW SLIP AND PROVIDE THAT TO ELAINE IN ORDER FOR US TO INCLUDE YOU ON THOSE, THOSE SPEAKERS.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, THEN, MR. JOHNSON, UH, EXCUSE ME.

UM, I'M SORRY.

UH, DID WE ALREADY VOTE ON THE MEETING? NO, WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT TOWARDS THE END.

EVEN THOUGH THE AGENDA HOLDS IT AT THE BEGINNING, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME.

CAN WE GO AHEAD AND READ THAT? LET'S JUST DO IT AT THE END.

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IT'S A NICE FINISHED THING, .

SO WITH THAT, UH, IN MY, I, UH, PROPOSE THAT WE REARRANGED THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWED.

FIRST, WE'LL TAKE DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT, FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEM NINE.

THEN WE'LL DO THE COURTESY REVIEW FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM 1, 3, 5, 6, DISCUSSION ITEM TWO, FOUR, AND SEVEN.

AND WE NOTE THAT A, UH, COUNCIL, THE COMMISSIONER HAS REQUESTED THAT CONSENT ITEM NINE BE MOVED TO OUR DISCUSSION AREA.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S PART OF THAT HONOR.

SO, UH, IS THERE A SECOND ON THIS PROPOSED REARRANGEMENT? SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.

UH, CALL FOR VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

WE

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ARE, WE ARE JUST REARRANGED AND READY TO MOVE ON TO DISCUSSING OUR CONSENT.

FIRST, LET ME ASK IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT ITEM WHO'S HERE, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO GIVE US ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR MAKE A PRESENTATION RATHER THAN JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL THE CONSENT ITEMS UNLESS WE NEED FURTHER KNOWLEDGE FROM ANYBODY.

SO, OKAY.

LET'S GO.

ALL RIGHT.

I MOVED TO, UM, APPROVED CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AND CONSENT ITEMS 10 THROUGH 16.

SECOND, WHO WAS THE SECOND? OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND, AND SO I'LL CALL FOR VOTE ON THAT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

ALL OF THOSE CONSENT ITEMS, EXCLUDING CONSENT NINE, HAVE GONE FORWARD WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND SO IF YOU WERE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT, YOU'RE DONE.

CONGRATULATIONS.

OH, OKAY.

SO, AS WE SAID, WE'RE GOING TO START WITH DISCUSSION EIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S A QUICK ONE, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN IT.

AND IT IS, UH, THE INITIATION ON PAULA STREET, UH, A NEW LANDMARK.

I'M SORRY, MADAM CHAIR.

IF I JUST MAY CLARIFY, UM, THE LAST MOTION WAS TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM OF C1 THROUGH C EIGHT AND C 10 THROUGH C 16, BUT OUR CONSENT AGENDA STOPS AT C 14.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, IT'S C 10 THROUGH C 14? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

ALL THE CONSENT ITEMS EXCEPT C NINE WERE JUST VOTED ON AND HOWEVER MANY OF THEM THERE MAY BE.

ALRIGHT.

STAFF, COULD YOU TELL US ABOUT THE, UH, SUBJECT MATTER OF D EIGHT? UH, SO DO YOU WANT ME TO READ IT AS IT IS IN THE AGENDA? LET LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I SUBMITTED IT TO BEAR MARK COURSE NOT.

I WOULD YES, YOU WOULD READ THE ITEM INTO THE AGENDA AND THEN WE WOULD DISCUSS IT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

EXCUSE ME.

WHAT DID YOU SAY? IF YOU COULD JUST READ THE ITEM INTO THE AGENDA.

OKAY.

UH, DR.

RHONDA DUNNS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF REGARDING DISCUSSION ITEM D EIGHT.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 700 PAULA AVENUE.

IT'S REFERRED TO AS THE RAY WORTH WILLIAMS HOUSE.

THE REQUEST IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 700 PALACE AVENUE, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REWAR WILLIAMS HOUSE.

THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS MR. WILLIAMS C LOCUM III.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND, UH, WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK WHO I THINK WILL TELL US OF A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT SINCE THAT WAS FIRST NOTIFIED, WHICH WILL REQUIRE OUR RESPONSE TODAY.

SO, MR. NOEL ATON.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

I HAVE TO ASK IF, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE'S ON, PLEASE, BECAUSE WE CAN'T HEAR YOU AT HOME IF IT'S NOT, DOES IT HAVE A RED LIGHT SHOWING DOWN AT THE BASE GREEN'S? GOOD.

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IT'S A LIGHT.

OKAY.

I NEED YOU TO START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND DO YOU, UH, SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU, YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.

YEAH.

YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEAK UP A LITTLE.

I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE AT HOME ARE GETTING IT THROUGH THAT MICROPHONE.

JUST MOVE IN LIKE A ROCKSTAR OR WRAPPER AND JUST IT'S NOT ON NOW.

IT'S BRIGHTER GREEN.

YEAH.

.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY, I'LL START OVER.

DEAR LAMAR COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS NOEL ATON AND I LIVE AT 61 11 WEST STREET IN OLD EAST DALLAS WITHIN JU HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I'M ALSO THE BOARD PRESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT.

I'M HERE TODAY SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF THIS AGENDA ITEM INCLUSION INTO JUNIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE ADDED PART OF THE AGENDA ITEM, BUT ALSO IN SUPPORT OF HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF 700 PAUL MR. SLOCUM'S RESIDENCE.

OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, MR. SLUM HAS BECOME A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE THROUGH THIS EFFORT TO PRESERVE 700 PAULS AND NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED FOR HAVING THE VISION AND DETERMINATION TO PROTECT HIS UNIQUE AND ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE.

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AS NOTED, UM, WELL AS WILL BE NOTED BY OUR NEXT SPEAKER.

THE HOUSE WAS DE DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT DAVID WILLIAMS, KNOWN AS THE FATHER OF TEXAS REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE, AND SUBSEQUENTLY CONSTRUCTED IN 1926.

THE DESIGN IS A UNIQUE MEDITERRANEAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH FEATURES THAT WOULD COMMONLY BE INCORPORATED IN DAVID WILLIAMS' LATER TEXAS REGIONAL WORK.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 700 POLISH IS AN IMPORTANT STEP IN PRESERVING SUCH A WONDERFUL PIECE OF DALLAS'S HISTORY INCLUSION INTO GENIUS HEIGHTS.

HISTORIC DISTRICT WILL GIVE THE PROPERTY ADDITIONAL PROTECTION WITH A COM WITHIN A COMMUNITY OF LIKE-MINDED RESIDENTS WHO VALUE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND ACTIVELY WORK TOWARD, TOGETHER AND TOWARDS ACHIEVING THESE GOALS AT THIS TIME.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE RENEE SCHMIDT AND I WILL POINT OUT HERE THAT THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING AS WE WERE ARRANGING TO PUT THIS ONTO THE AGENDA, THAT WE THOUGHT THEY WANTED TO BE A SEPARATE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT LATER WE LEARNED THAT IT WAS FELT TO BE BETTER TO ADD IT TO JUNIUS HEIGHTS BECAUSE BECAUSE IT WAS LISTED ON OUR AGENDA AS, AS MAKING IT A SEPARATE LANDMARK DISTRICT, INSTEAD OF THAT'S ALL WE CAN VOTE ON.

WE CAN'T VOTE YET ON THE ADD TO JU HEIGHTS, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS JUST, UM, PUT THAT OFF OR, OR VOTE IT DOWN TODAY AND REDO IT.

THERE'S NO, NO PROBLEM WITH DOING THAT.

THAT DOES NOT CAUSES A PROBLEM.

SO, MR. RENE SCHMIDT, PLEASE, UH, GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

THANK YOU.

UM, MY NAME IS RE RENEE SCHMIDT, SEVEN 15 PARK MONTH.

I'M CURRENTLY, AND DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? I PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

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I'M CURRENTLY CHAIR OF THE HISTORIC ZONING COMMITTEE IN THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I AM PAST PRESIDENT JUNIUS HEIGHTS AND LED THE DRIVE THAT LED TO THE CREATION OF THE JUNIORS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT BACK IN 2006.

BACK THEN, WE WERE APPROACHING 70% OF THE HOMES IN JUNIORS HEIGHTS THAT SIGNED THE PETITIONS THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT.

PAULA AT THAT TIME, WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL AND WE HAD OUR HANDS FULL WITH AROUND 750 HOUSES SPREAD OVER 185 ACRES.

WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF CREATING THE LARGEST LANDMARK DISTRICT IN DALLAS.

OUR ARMY OF VOLUNTEERS REMAINED FOCUSED, BUT IT WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING CONCURRENT WITH ALL THIS.

ONE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNED A PIECE OF VACANT LAND IN JUNIORS HEIGHTS BEGAN SPREADING DISINFORMATION.

HE CLAIMED THAT THIS WAS SOCIALISM, PERHAPS EVEN COMMUNIST INSPIRED.

IT WOULD PLACE A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON EVERY HOUSEHOLD, AND THE AUTHORITIES WERE EVEN GONNA MANDATE THE COLOR OF PANES THAT COULD BE PLANET.

HE DELIVERED HIS VERSION OF REALITY STAMPED WITH AN AMERICAN FLAG TO EVERY PROPERTY IN GENIUS HEIGHTS AT THAT POINT TO LESSEN CONFUSION AND KEEP MOMENTUM GOING.

WE TOOK WHAT WE HAD AND UNFORTUNATELY, 700 POLICY WAS LEFT OUT.

BILLY SL SLUM MOVED IN ABOUT THAT TIME THE DISTRICT WAS FORMED AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIS HOUSE INCLUDED IN THE JUNIORS HEIGHTS DISTRICT, BOTH THE HISTORIC AND ZONING COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD OF UNIONS HEIGHTS ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTED INCORPORATING IT INTO THE DISTRICT.

IT MAKES SENSE TO INCORPORATE 700 PAULA INTO THE DISTRICT.

PAULA IS COLLECTIVELY KNOWN AS A SHORT BLOCKS, ONE OF THE SHORT BLOCKS TRIC THAT RUN PERPENDICULAR TO NEED SOME GASTON.

THE SHORT BLOCKS WERE AMONG HER PLACE EDITION, ALL OF WHICH EXCEPT FOR PAUL, ARE NOW IN JUS HEIGHTS.

BILLY'S HOUSE IS ADJACENT TO THE LAKEWOOD LIBRARY, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT.

BY INCLUDED IT IN THE DISTRICT, IT WOULD HELP FRAME THE EASTERN ENTRANCE TO HEIGHTS.

THE HOUSE IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AS NOEL HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT, BUILT IN 1926 BY DAVID WILLIAMS, THE FATHER OF TEXAS ARCHITECTURE, REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE.

WILLIAMS WAS DEVELOPING A INDIGENOUS REGIONAL STYLE, AND THIS HOUSE SHOWS MANY OF HIS AESTHETIC ASPIRATIONS.

IT HAS UNIQUE MEDITERRANEAN FEEL WITH THE TEXAS FLARE.

DAVID WILLIAMS BROTHER, DR.

RAWORTH, A WELL-KNOWN DALLAS PHYSICIAN, WAS THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THIS HOUSE AND LIVED THERE FOR YEARS.

THE INTERIOR, THANKS TO BILLY IS ALSO REMARKABLY PRESERVED.

WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON AN APPLICATION FOR JUNIOR SITES TO BE INCLUDED, ARE TO BE PLACED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

BILLY'S HOUSE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL LISTING AND WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO OUR DISTRICT.

EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.

OKAY.

UH, I WROTE THAT.

CAN I ASK, UM, THE COMMISSION TO GIVE HIM MORE MINUTES? SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

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AYE.

AYE.

IN 2009, RICHARD AND BAILEY GALLAGHER BOUGHT A HOUSE ON GASTON AND LATER JOINED THE DISTRICT.

HE SAID IT WAS NOT A DIFFICULT PROCESS AND YOU WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY.

THE COMMUNITY OF JUNIORS HEIGHTS.

WOULD DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO INCORPORATE 700 PAULA BILLY SLUMS HOUSE INTO THE GOVERNING ORDINANCE OF JUNIORS HEIGHTS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, MR. SCHMIDT.

UM, JUST SO WE CAN, YOU WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ON WITH DEALING WITH IT AS IT WAS PRESENTED TODAY, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK IN ANOTHER TIME TO ASHLEY ADD IT TO JUS HEIGHTS.

BUT, UH, DR.

DUN, YOU DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM MARCEL QUIMBY SHOWING ITS LOCATION, WHICH YOU CAN USE TO FURTHER VERIFY WHETHER YOU THINK IT, IT COUNTS AS CONTIGUOUS TO JUS HEIGHTS.

UM, WE WILL NEED TO KNOW THAT.

UM, SO GIVEN THE SITUATION WE FIND OURSELVES IN, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS ONE WITHOUT PREJUDICE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA BE AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK .

THEY WANNA BE PART OF JUNIORS HEIGHTS.

SO IT HAS TO BE REDONE PROPERLY LIKE THAT.

AND, AND I OR ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS SOME FREE TIME COULD REQUEST THAT BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA FOR NEXT TIME.

SO I, I WILL, WILL MAKE THE MOTION ON D EIGHT 900 PAULA STREET, THE REQUEST FOR INITIATION OF LANDMARK DESIGNATION.

UM, I MOVED THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE IN ORDER TO FURTHER REFINE THE REQUEST.

SECOND, WELL, WE HAD A RACE A SECOND.

WE'RE GONNA SAY, MR. SWAN, HE HAD HIS LIGHT ON FIRST, SO WE'RE GONNA SAY HE ALL, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL UNOP OPPOSED, .

OKAY.

THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED.

SO, UH, WE WILL ASK DR.

DUNN'S STAFF TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION THAT MARCEL COLUMBIA HAS, SUR HAS SUPPLIED ABOUT THE EXACT LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY RELATIVE TO JUS HEIGHTS, SO THAT WE CAN BRING IT BACK AS AN ADDITION TO JULIUS HEIGHTS AF AFTER WE CONSIDERED THE PROCESS FOR DOING THAT.

CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN, BUT WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT, .

OKAY.

SO I HOPE TO SEE, UH, Y'ALL NEXT TIME WHEN WE REALLY DO IT, IF, IF YOU HAVE TIME TO COME BACK AT THAT POINT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHTY.

NEXT ON OUR LIST IS WE ARE GOING TO DO A CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE, CHRISTINA MINKOWSKI FOR THE OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE.

OH, IT'S ON, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? .

OKAY.

CHRISTINA MINKOWSKI, OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 9 24 31 PARK ROW AVENUE.

THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INCREASE SECOND FLOOR FROM EIGHT FEET TO 10 FEET.

UM, ARE WE READING IN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS? I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO IS, IS ABBREVIATED ONES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ ALL THE WHOLE NUMBERS AND STUFF.

STAFF, UM, IS, UH, THE RE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, APPROPRIATENESS TO INCREASE SECOND FLOOR, SECOND STORY FLOOR PLATE FROM EIGHT FEET TO 10 FEET BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 1 31 23.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THERE IS NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER.

OKAY.

AND I DID TRY TO PULL UP THE PREVIOUS PLAN, THAT PARTICULAR PAGE, AND THE NEW ONES TO SHOW THAT IT'S NOT, IT'S THE SAME HOUSE AND THEY LOOK PRETTY CLOSE TO, I'LL TRY TO SHARE IT SO THAT, UM, THERE'S, ALL RIGHT, THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP DURING OUR BRIEFING ON THIS SUBJECT.

SO IN THE ABSENCE OF A SPEAKER ON IT, IT'S KIND OF ALL UP TO US.

SO LET'S GIVE MS MANKOWSKI A MOMENT TO, UM, OKAY.

PULL UP THESE PICTURES THAT WE MAY VIEW THEM.

THAT'S AS CLOSE AS I CAN GET THEM TO BE TOGETHER.

UM, SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD, .

YEAH.

UM, THE, THE DARKER, THE ONE IN THE BACK, THE DARKER ONE, THOSE ARE THE PREVIOUS PLANS.

AND THE, THIS ONE HERE, THOSE ARE THE NEW PLANS.

AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE 10 FOOT, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL HEIGHT TO 33 FEET, SIX AND A HALF INCHES.

AND THE, THE TOTAL REGULA, THE, THE MAX FOR THIS DISTRICT IS 36 FEET.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PLANS IN 2016 WERE APPROVED.

THEY JUST HADN'T FINANCIALLY GOTTEN TO DO HIM YET.

AND, UH, NOW THAT THEY CAN, YOU'LL SEE, UH, INITIALLY ON THE APPLICATION, THEY DID HAVE A GARAGE NOTED, BUT I TOLD THEM TO WAIT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PUT IT ON THE VACANT LOT THAT, UH, THEY DON'T OWN YET.

SO, , I TOLD THEM TO JUST WAIT ON THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

WITH THESE CLOSE TOGETHER, IT'S EASY TO SEE THAT THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW SMALL OTHER CHANGES BETWEEN THEM.

THOSE UPSTAIRS WINDOWS ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME ANYMORE.

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RIGHT.

NOR IS THE PORCH EXACTLY THE SAME AND MAYBE EVEN SOME OF THE OTHER UPSTAIRS WINDOWS.

SO I THINK THIS IS DECEIVING BECAUSE THERE, THE FLOOR PLATE, I MEAN THE, YOU MATCH THE ROOF UP, BUT THERE'S QUITE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE HEIGHT IF YOU TAKE DOWN THE, IF YOU BRING THE, THE REAR ELEVATION DOWN TO IN LINE WITH THE, IS IT IMPOSSIBLE TO DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

I, I'M USING TWO DIFFERENT PDFS AND IF YOU CAN BRING, BRING IT UP A LITTLE, CAN BRING UP A LITTLE BIT MORE DOWN.

OH, DOWN.

LIKE THIS ONE, UH, UP, UP, UP.

I GUESS.

TRY TO LINE THAT THERE.

THERE YOU GO.

BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ZOOMED IN AT THE EXACT STAGE.

WELL, I THINK YOU CAN NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE OTHER YEAH.

BUT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE ROOF FORM, WHICH NO, I DIDN'T REALIZE BEFORE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, AND MATTER I MIGHT ADD, JUST BECAUSE IT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE 36 FEET AT HEIGHT, DOESN'T MEAN THIS BUILDING AUTOMATICALLY GOES 36 FEET AT HEIGHT.

IT, IT'S GOTTA FIT THE RIGHT, RIGHT.

THE DISTRICT THAT WAS JUST PER ORDINANCE.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, SO NOW THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY ELSE HAD THAT THEY WANNA ADD INTO OUR DISCUSSION? I HAVE A QUESTION.

THIS COMMISSIONER NOFA.

GO AHEAD.

UH, YOU SAID THAT, UH, CHRISTINA, YOU SAID THAT THE NEW ELEVATION OR ROOF HEIGHT IS 33 INCHES.

ARE THERE OTHER HOMES IN THE AREA THAT, UH, ARE COMPATIBLE TO THAT HEIGHT? UM, IT WAS 33 FEET, SIX AND A HALF INCHES.

IS THE, YEAH, I'M SORRY, HEIGHT, 33 FEET.

UHHUH , I DO BELIEVE JUST, UH, DRIVING DOWN AND TAKING THE PICTURES.

I THINK THERE ARE OTHER TWO STORY HOMES ON THAT STREET.

I DON'T KNOW THEIR EXACT, UH, HEIGHTS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE, I SAW, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF TWO-STORY HOMES, WHETHER THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING OR NOT, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YES, MA'AM.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF OR OUR CITY ATTORNEY, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS REQUEST TODAY WITH THE DRAWING THEY SUBMITTED AND THE WORDING THAT WAS ABOUT RAISING THE FLOOR PLATE.

ARE WE ALSO APPROVING THOSE OTHER SUBTLE DIFFERENCES THAT I SEE IN THE DRAWINGS? ANY CHANCE THAT HAPPENS, YOU WOULD JUST BE APPROVING WHAT THEY WERE REQUESTED AS DEPICTED ON THE PLATE.

THAT'S WHY I ONLY PUT THE, ALL RIGHT.

YOUR, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? THE ISSUE, LET, BRING THE ISSUE THAT I BROUGHT UP EARLIER IS THAT THIS IS A STREET OF PREDOMINANTLY WHAT'S CALLED THE CALIFORNIA BUNGALOW.

THERE ARE BRICK BUNGALOWS, AND THE ROOF FORMS ARE ALL VERY CONSISTENT AND POPPING ONE UP WITHOUT EXPLORING FURTHER HOW IT HAS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE REST OF THE BLOCK WOULD BE A, A BIG, BIG MISTAKE.

SO I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

GO AHEAD MR. ANDERSON.

I'LL MAKE A COUPLE COMMENT.

, DO YOU WANNA DO IT BEFORE OR AFTER THE MOTION? THIS IS TIME FOR QUESTIONS NORMALLY, BUT OKAY.

WELL, LET'S MAKE OUR MOTION AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT IN, UM, IN, UH, THE FACT OF CA 2 23 DASH 24 OH CM 24 31 PARK ROW AVENUE.

I RECOMMEND DENIAL.

WITHOUT PREJUDICE RAISING THE ROOF WILL HAVE AN, A ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? THOMAS SECOND? WHO WAS THAT? I HEARD ON LIE.

IS THAT YOU, MR. CUMMINGS? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

MR. CUMMINGS HAS SECONDED.

ALL RIGHT.

DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON? WELL, MY, MY DISCUSSION, I GUESS IS JUST GOING BACK ON THE DRAWING TO UNDERSTAND, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMISSION THAT APPROVED THAT, THAT SET, I WAS TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PLANS TO SEE THE BIG, THE BIG CHANGE FROM THAT.

UM, SO THE TWO FEET, MY, MY CLARIFICATION IS JUST TO UNDERSTAND, THE TWO FEET IS A HEIGHT MAX OF THE INTERIOR, THAT'S WHAT'S BEING INCREASED, CORRECT.

AND THE ROOF LINE GOING UP TWO FEET, CORRECT.

TWO FEET ON THE ROOF LINE.

SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE PROXIMITY AND THE WAY THE DESIGN IS LAID OUT AS A, THAT BEING THE REAR OF THE ELEVATION, I, I SEE IT CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE OTHER, OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, IN THE DISTRICT.

UM, SO THE TWO FEET TO ME, IS NOT, UH, INCONSISTENT WITH THE DISTRICT.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A, A BIT OF A STREET SCAPE, SHOWING THE EXISTING MAYBE THREE OR FOUR HOUSES IN A ROW, AND HOW THIS ONE EITHER FITS OR DOESN'T FIT THAT, THAT BLOCK PHASE OR STREET SCAPE.

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I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THIS.

DRAWING DOESN'T TELL ME ANYTHING.

IT DOESN'T TELL ME HOW IT AFFECTS THE STREET.

UH, MAYBE TWO FEET RAISING THE ROOF TWO FEET IS NO BIG DEAL.

IT'S JUST, FIRST OF ALL, IT, IT WAS KIND OF DISGUISED AS WE'RE RAISING THE FLOOR PLATE.

YOU CAN RAISE THE FLOOR PLATE AND NOT RAISE THE ROOF.

SO IT ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU'RE RAISING THE ROOF, IT'S, IT'S A BIGGER DEAL THAN JUST MOVING THE INTERNAL CEILING AND FLOOR AROUND.

I JUST FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE COMING BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION AGAIN.

SO MY CO AGAIN, MY COMMENT, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST BASED ON, IN MY OPINION, THE BLIGHT OF THIS PROPERTY.

THIS PROPERTY'S BEEN SITTING THIS WAY FOR, WHAT, 15, 20 YEARS.

UM, SO THE TWO FOOT, AGAIN, THE TWO FOOT ROOF LINE INCREASE IS MINIMAL AS FAR AS A CONCERN.

UM, THERE ARE OTHER CHANGES.

I DO AGREE WOULD NEED TO BE CLOSELY LOOKED AT SPEC, PARTICULARLY HOW THAT GARAGE CARPORT SEEMED TO ME BEING CONNECTED BY A ROOF LINE, BUT I DIDN'T WANNA GET INTO THAT.

BUT, BUT AS FAR AS A TWO FEET INCREASE, I DO THINK IT'S, IT'S A MINIMAL INCREASE.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS, WITH THIS, WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES IN THIS STREET, IN THIS DISTRICT.

UM, AND YEAH, IT'S SEVERAL TWO-STORY MANSIONS ACROSS THE STREET NEXT TO IT, ON BOTH SIDES.

UM, SO THE HEIGHT, THE TWO FEET IS NOT A BIG, UH, CONCERN TO ME WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHANGE.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, DOES THAT MEAN COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, THAT YOU DON'T FEEL INCLINED TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, OF COURSE, IF WE WERE TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION, THAT GIVES THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO ADDRESS BOTH THAT QUESTION AND SOME OF THE OTHER ONES WE'VE RAISED, LIKE, ARE THEY REALLY CHANGING THE PORSCHE? ARE THEY CHANGING THOSE WINDOWS? BECAUSE THE CHANGES DO GO BEYOND JUST AN INTERNAL THING, IT TURNS OUT, SO THEY'D HAVE TO COME BACK.

UM, SO THAT IS WHAT WE CAN CONSIDER.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO A VOTE? I HAVE A COMMENT.

COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD.

YES.

UM, WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS DENIAL BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE IS TOO MANY GRAY AREAS, UH, WHAT'S BEING SHOWN, THE CHANGES BEING SHOWN.

I QUESTION ACTUALLY IF THE, UH, THE DIMENSION IS SHOWN PROPERLY OF THE, OF THE, THE ROOF.

AND I THINK, UH, CHANGING TWO FEET COULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT.

AND, UH, I'D SEE, EXCUSE ME, I HEAR OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE A CLEAN TRO, BUT JUST THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED WITHOUT OTHER ITEMS ON THE, UH, ON THE PROPOSED, UH, SO THERE WOULD BE, UH, THERE WOULD BE NO GRAY AREAS OF THIS.

SO THE DRAWING NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP.

I THINK ESCAPEE SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO MAKE SURE WE, UH, WE ARE SEEING THIS CLEARLY WHEN YOU START CHANGING DRAWINGS, IT, IT CAN, IT CAN GET OUTTA HAND QUICKLY.

SO I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE DENIAL ON THIS UNTIL WE GET A BETTER DRAWING THAT ISOLATES WHAT, WHAT'S REALLY BEING PROPOSED.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

AND IT DOES GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHANCE TO, TO COME BACK.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS FURTHER VOTE.

ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S CALL FOR A VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

AYE, AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OPPOSED? OKAY.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE.

ELAINE, JUST SO WE'RE SURE.

DISTRICT TWO.

COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.

I VOTED.

YAY.

UH, DISTRICT THREE.

COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN.

DISTRICT FOUR.

COMMISSIONER SWAN.

YAY.

DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER OP.

NO.

DISTRICT SIX.

COMMISSIONER HENAA.

YAY.

DISTRICT SEVEN COMMISSIONER LEVINSON? NO.

DISTRICT EIGHT COMMISSIONER.

SPY DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER HADU A NAY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 12, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? YES.

DISTRICT 13 COMMISSIONER SLAVE? YES.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER GUEST? YES.

DISTRICT 15.

COMMISSIONER BELVIN? YES.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? YES.

COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? YES.

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UH, FOUR NOS.

OKAY.

SO THE MOTION HAS STILL CARRIED, BUT OF COURSE WHAT WE'RE HOPING WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL DISCUSS IT WITH STAFF, AND STAFF WILL LET THEM KNOW WHAT OUR REAL CONCERNS WERE.

PLEASE COME BACK WITH THE EXACT DRAWING YOU WANT, AND, UM, LET STAFF HELP THEM CRAFT THEIR REQUEST TO COVER WHATEVER IS DIFFERENT IN THIS NEW ONE SINCE 2016.

THEY COULD HAVE HAD A FEW NEW IDEAS SINCE THEN.

SO, UM, BRING IT BACK.

IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THE HOUSE, AND IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE SAYING IT'S AWFUL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

JUST, UM, WE WANNA SEE THE ACTUAL DRAWING OF WHAT WE'RE APPROVING AND DISCUSS THAT HEIGHT THING AND THAT, UM, IT WOULD HELP TO SEE THE HEIGHT AND CONTEXT OF OTHER HEIGHTS NEARBY TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

BUT HOPEFULLY THEY WILL ASK STAFF AND STAFF WILL HELP THEM WITH THAT.

SO WE MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ONE, WHICH IS OUR COURTESY REVIEW, COURTESY REVIEW ONE.

AND COMMISSIONER SWAN IS STEPPING OUTSIDE THE CUSING HIMSELF.

OKAY.

UH, I DO HAVE A QUICK AMENDMENT.

I DID CHANGE THE STAFF FEEDBACK ON THIS, SO I WILL READ WHAT MY CURRENT STAFF FEEDBACK IS INTO THE RECORD.

OKAY.

AND WE'LL TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

DR.

RHONDA DUNN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF, UH, REVIEWING COURTESY REVIEW.

ITEM ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS 100 NORTH MOORE STREET IN THE 10TH STREET HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 23 DASH OH.

WELL 0 0 3 RD.

STAFF FEEDBACK IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE PROPOSAL TO CONSTRUCT 10TH STREET BETWEEN I 35 AND EAST CLARATON DRIVE BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, SECTIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE SUBMITTED FOR FINAL LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.

AND THAT THE PROPOSED WORK MUST BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH STANDARD CITY SPECIFICATIONS AND COMPLETED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION.

THANK YOU, DR.

DUNN.

THAT WAS QUITE ELOQUENT AND INCLUDED, INCLUDED EVERYTHING.

VERY GOOD.

WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS, UM, ALI HATI.

GOOD MORNING, ALI? YES, MA'AM.

GOOD MORNING, MARTIN.

OH, HI.

YOU'RE ONLINE.

OKAY.

YOU WERE USUALLY HERE ALWAYS BEFORE, SO, YES, MA'AM.

I'M OUT OF OFFICE.

I'M OFFICE ALWAYS.

YOU MUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR ABSOLUTELY MA'AM.

NAME AN ADDRESS, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, NAFI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AT THREE 20 EAST JEFFERSON, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS.

OKAY.

AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TELL US THE TRUTH? I DO.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT WITH US.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

SO, AS YOU KNOW, UM, THE 10TH STREET PROJECT IS A PART OF, UH, THE BOND PROGRAM.

THAT IT HAS BEEN VOTED BY PEOPLE AND APPROVED BEFORE.

AND, UM, AS A PART OF OUR CONSTRUCTION, UM, WE WERE GOING TO GET THE CERTIFICATE OF PREPAREDNESS FOR THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT IN THE HISTORIC DESIGN.

AND WE RECEIVED SOME COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION THAT, UH, THERE WERE SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UM, STABILITY OF THE SLOPE OF THERY.

WE ADDED, UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL SERVICES TO OUR SCOPE, AND ALSO THEY'RE GONNA PROVIDE US, UH, GUIDANCE TO THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

ALSO, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, STABILIZE THE SLOPE OF THE CEMETERY, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY OUT SCOPE OF WORK, BUT WE ADDED THAT, UM, TO, UM, HAVE THAT ASSURANCE ALSO FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'RE GOING TO STABILIZE IT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM GEOTECHNICAL AND ENGINEERING, UH, FIRMS, UH, THAT THERE, OUR CONSULTANT, UH, INVESTIGATING THIS MATTER.

I BELIEVE WE ARE IN REWIND.

EXCUSE, SIR.

YEAH, YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR CAMERA ON BECAUSE THE ATTORNEYS SAY IT'S THE STATE LAW.

WE HAVE TO SEE YOU THE WHOLE TIME YOU'RE TALKING.

SO WE SEE, UM, MY CAMERA IS ON.

I'M NOT SURE IF, OKAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

YES, I, I GUESS, UM, CONNECTION.

I THINK, I BELIEVE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'M SORRY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

OKAY.

YES.

YES.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.

THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT WE

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ARE IN LINE WITH THE, I BELIEVE WITH THE CODE THAT COVERS THE IMPROVEMENT IN THE HISTORY DISTRICT.

AND, UH, WE ARE ASKING, UM, UM, THE COMMITTEE TO KINDLY PLEASE APPROVE OUR OBLIGATION.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OF COURSE, YOU'RE IN A COURTESY REVIEW TODAY, SO WE DON'T APPROVE OR DISPROVE ANYTHING WE JUST DISCUSSED WITH YOU.

UM, SO WHAT, WHAT QUEST, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS THAT HAVE NOT REGISTERED? OKAY.

UH, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK BEFORE YOU LEAVE, YOU MUST FILL OUT A YELLOW PIECE.

OH, WE HAVE A YELLOW PIECE.

OKAY.

SO LARRY JOHNSON, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.

UH, LARRY JOHNSON, TWO 14 LANDIS.

AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.

OKAY.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

AND NICE COLOR SHIRT, BY THE WAY.

LOVE.

THANK YOU, .

MY NAME IS LARRY JOHNSON, AND I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE OAK CLIFF CEMETERY BOARD, OF WHICH I'M A BOARD MEMBER.

UH, WE RECENTLY HAD, UM, OUR ANNUAL BOARD MEETING, AND I WAS ASKED TO COME AND TO STATE AND TO REPRESENT THE BOARD AND TO STATE SOME CONCERNS, UM, UH, REGARDING THIS PROPOSED WORK.

UH, WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE YOU ALL THE LAST TIME, UH, WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE, UM, IN BLACK AND WHITE IN PAPER FORM, UM, THE PROPOSED WORK AND HOW IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO LAST.

BECAUSE ACCORDING TO, ACCORDING TO PREVIOUS, UM, MEETINGS, UM, THE ARCHITECTS AND THE ENGINEERS CANNOT GUARANTEE, UH, THE LONGEVITY OF THIS WORK.

AND SO, UH, WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED DUE DILIGENCE FROM THE ENGINEERS.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THIS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, BUT, UM, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS ACTUALLY SUGGESTED, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED TO THE ENGINEERS ABOUT, UM, UM, AND WHAT THEY SUGGESTED IS SHORING UP OR ACTUALLY PUTTING BACK THE SLOPE, UH, THEREBY ALLEVIATING THE ISSUE OF A FAILING RETAINER WALL.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE ENGINEERS TO CONSIDER, UM, TO RESEARCH AND TO, UH, TO PUT IN BLACK AND WHITE AS WELL.

SO THESE ARE THE CONCERNS FROM THE, UM, FROM THE BOARD.

WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE ENGINEERS YET.

AND TO CONSIDER, UM, UH, OUR PROPOSAL, WHICH IS TO PUT BACK THE SLOPE.

WILL THAT BE IT? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

MR. JOHNSON, WHEN YOU SAY PUT BACK THE SLOPE, UM, EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS TO YOU.

OKAY.

SO, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, WHERE THE SLAVE PORTION OF THE CEMETERY CURRENTLY IS, UM, THERE'S A DROP OFF.

AND, UM, WHEN YOU TAKE A, A GOOD LOOK AT THE DROP OFF, IT, IT'S BEEN GRADED.

10TH STREET HAS BEEN GRADED AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR TIMES.

AND SO, UM, AT ONE TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THAT PIECE OF LAND, THAT LAND WAS ONE BIG MASS.

BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UM, IN ORDER TO PUT IN 10TH STREET, UH, IT WAS GRADED.

UH, SOME OF THE GRAVES, OF COURSE, ARE DISPLACED.

AND WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING IS TO, IS TO PUT THE SLOPE BACK.

SO ARE YOU, YOUR, YOUR STATEMENT AS I HEAR IT IN PUTTING THE SLOPE BACK, YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE STREET? WE'RE TALKING YES, MA'AM.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REMOVING THE STREET.

OKAY.

AND PUTTING THE DIRT BACK.

AND, AND HERE'S THE THING.

WE RECOGNIZE HOW COSTLY WOULD BE.

AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS, WELL, ONE SUGGESTION WAS TO PUT THE ROAD BACK.

THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST TO CAP OFF 10 STREET, UM, PUT THE DIRT BACK CAP OFF 10 STREET, AND AT A LATER DATE, UM, PUT THE THROUGH ROAD BACK THROUGH.

SO WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE ENGINEERS TO CONSIDER THOSE TWO AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, YEAH.

UH, ABANDONING A STREET IS A, A SIGNIFICANT PROCESS THROUGH THE CITY .

RIGHT? UNDERSTAND, I WAS PARKED DOING ONE ONCE.

IT WAS, IT WAS QUITE A, QUITE A LONG THING.

UM, I I, IF IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE OUR FIRST SPEAKER TO RESPOND TO MR. JOHNSON'S IDEA.

I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

GO AHEAD, MR. HATI.

YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU MR. JOHNSON FOR THE, UH, QUESTION.

UM, MR. JOHNSON, IF YOU REMEMBER, UM, YOU MENTIONED, UM, IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING THAT YOU ARE GONNA BRING, UM, A PROPOSAL OF THE DESIGN TO OUR OFFICE THAT WE CAN REVIEW.

BUT AS OF TODAY, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM, UM, YOU FOR THAT REGARD.

THAT'S JUST, UM, TO CLARIFY THAT.

AND ALSO, UH, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE AND CITY REQUIREMENT.

WHEN WE, UH, DESIGN THE ROAD.

IT HAS TO BE ENGINEER, IT HAS TO BE, UH, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME LIABILITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THE PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR FOR US.

WE HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE PROCEDURES, THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENT, THE CITY, UH, CONSTRUCTION STANDARD REQUIREMENT, THE CITY DESIGN MANUAL STANDARD REQUIREMENT, AND ALSO THE STATE REQUIREMENT.

SO WE CANNOT JUST, UM, I GUESS ELEVATE THE ROAD OR, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT 10 FEET OR 13 FEET OF DIRT TO ELEVATE THE ROAD WITHOUT HAVING ANY CONSEQUENCES, UM, DOWN THE ROAD.

SO

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THERE IS DRAINAGE COMPONENT, THERE IS BLOCKAGE OF THE VIEW FOR OTHER PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THIS IS DEFINITELY OUTSIDE OF OUR SCOPE AND OUTSIDE OF OUR RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE, UM, IT VIOLATES A LOT OF ENGINEERING RULES.

UH, ABANDONING THE STREET IS SOMETHING THAT PUBLIC DOESN'T DO.

IT ABANDONING COMES FROM THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IF THE, I GUESS, UH, THE WILLINGNESS OF THE PROP OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TO ABANDON THE STREET, THEY CAN FILE THE APPLICATION WITH THE ESTATE OFFICE.

BUT AT THIS POINT, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO PURSUE BECAUSE OUR, UM, I GUESS INTENT IS TO PRO, UH, TO PROVIDE THE QUALITY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVED THAT.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THE BOND PROJECT THAT THE PEOPLE VOTED ON, AND IT WAS APPROVED, UM, AT THAT TIME.

SO, UH, IF THERE IS ANY OTHER QUESTION, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.

OKAY.

UH, I THINK NOW WE WILL GO TO HAVING COMMISSIONERS ASK QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONERS POLICY? YES.

THIS QUESTION IS FOR, UM, DIRECTOR HATHI.

I THINK THE INCLUSION OF THE REPORT FROM STANTEC IS A RESPONSE TO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND, AND I FIND IT TO BE SATISFACTORY.

I ONLY HAD ONE QUESTION ABOUT IT, AND THAT WAS IN REGARDS TO THE EXCLUSIONS SPECIFICALLY.

I, I THINK IT'S A APPROPRIATE TO EXCLUDE ANYTHING REGARDING POTENTIAL HUMAN REMAINS.

COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN THOUGH, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, TESTING AND THE DATA RECOVERY EXCLUSIONS, JUST SO I, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT'S REFERRING TO SPECIFICALLY? THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY, MA'AM.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, UH, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR CONSULTANT, UH, WE ADDED THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, SERVICES TO OUR SCOPE OF WORK.

UH, THEY'RE GOING TO SURVEY THIS SLOPE AND, UH, SEE WHAT IS NEEDED, UH, DURING THE DESIGN AND ALSO DURING THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE STABILIZATION OF THE SLOPE.

SO THEY'RE GONNA GUIDE US THROUGH THE DESIGN, THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, WITH THE DATA THAT THEY GATHER, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT IN TERMS OF THE EXCLUSIONS, THE ARCHEOLOGICAL TESTING, ARE YOU, IS THAT ESSENTIALLY REFERRING TO STATE THAT THEY'LL DO A SURVEY, BUT THEY'RE NOT SOIL TESTING, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? LIKE, WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO DO THAT? NO.

WE DO HAVE A, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS ACTUALLY.

WE DO HAVE THE GEOTECHNICAL, UH, ENGINEERING FIRM THAT THEY ARE GOING TO ANALYZE THE SOIL AND THE STABILITY AND ALL THESE THINGS.

WE ALSO ADDED THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, UH, SERVICES, ARCHEOLOGICAL SERVICES.

THEY DON'T TYPICALLY SURVEY OR, UM, I GUESS RECOMMEND ABOUT THE SOIL STABILIZATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT, IF THIS IS A QUESTION.

BUT WE DO HAVE ALL THE SERVICES IN THIS PROJECT.

THE ENGINEERING FIRM WAS DESIGNING IT, THE GEOTECHNICAL FIRM, UH, WHO ARE INVESTIGATING THE STABILIZATION PROCESS AND ALSO TALKING THEOLOGICAL, UH, ARCHEOLOGICAL SERVICES THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GUIDE US, UM, THROUGH THE, I GUESS, HISTORIC, UH, CHARACTERISTIC OF THIS LAW.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM YES, COMMISSIONERS? THIS IS COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

OH, UM, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAD HIS LIGHT ON FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL DO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AND THEN WHOEVER ELSE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.

FIRST OF ALL, HOW TALL IS THE WALL? WHAT IS IT MADE, WHAT IS IT INVENTION, THE HEIGHT, THE LENGTH, AND WHAT IS IT MADE OF? WELL, WELL, THE ONE SHOULD HEIGHT BE MADE OF, WHERE IS THE HEIGHT OF THE GRAVES? WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF IT? WHERE THE GRAVES OR HEIGHT OF THE WALL AND IT'S LENGTH IN THE MATERIAL.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

UM, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE SYMMETRY, UM, IT VARIES COMPARED TO THE, UH, GRADE, I THINK THE MAXIMUM, I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING AROUND 13 FEET, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

AND, UM, THE WALL WILL BE BASED ON THE ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, THE, THE ADDITIONAL GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION THAT WE ARE ADDING, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THE WALL OR THE RETAINING WALL OR THE SLOPE OR THE SLOPE STABILIZATION WILL LAST, UM, FOR A LONG TIME.

UH, AGAIN, IT'S VERY HARD AT THIS MOMENT TO SAY WHAT WE GONNA DO, BECAUSE THIS IS ENGINEERING INVOLVED.

I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE THIS IN ANY OTHER PROJECTS, NOT JUST THE, UM, 10TH STREET WE HAVE DONE, UH, RETAINING WALL.

IN MANY OTHER CASES, THEY'RE ALL IN THE CITY.

THEY'RE ALL LASTING.

UH, AGAIN, UM, THE HEIGHT IS 10 FOOT, 13 FOOT MAXIMUM.

UM, BUT PART OF THIS INVESTIGATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS FOR US TO GET A GREEN TAG AND MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PAY THE CONSULTANT TO DO THE, A LOT OF ADDITIONAL, UM, INVESTIGATION.

BUT REGARDLESS, WE TOLD THEM TO DO THE, UH, PRELIMINARY DESIGN AND INVESTIGATION, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THE ENGINEERING WALL WITH

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THE PIER AND ALL THESE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SOIL IS STABILIZED.

SO I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR, WHEN THE CITIZENS VOTED THE BOND PROGRAM TO RE DO REPAIRS TO 10TH STREET, THEY DID NOT VOTE FOR A 13 FOOT CONCRETE WALL THAT WAS NOT ON THE BOND PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SURPRISE TO THEM.

SECOND OF ALL, THIS IS AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO AN HISTORIC DISTRICT PUTTING IN A 13 FOOT CONCRETE WALL, WHICH IS NOW A ROLLING, UM, LITTLE BIT OF A HILL, IS AN ADVERSE EFFECT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WASN'T THERE.

IT DOESN'T BELONG THERE.

SO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT YOU CAN SHORE UP THE WALL OF THE HILL THAT IS THERE NATURALLY WITH, WITH STONE, WITH PLANT MATERIAL, WITH RIP WRAP, SO THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, THE HILL IS STILL THERE AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN AN ABUTMENT, WHICH DOESN'T BELONG IN AN, IN, SEE, 10TH STREET IS VERY VERNACULAR, IT'S VERY ROLLING, VERY CALMING, AND PUTTING IN A 13 FOOT WALL NEXT TO THE CEMETERY IS NOT GONNA MAKE ANYBODY HAPPY.

SO IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN REINFORCE THE WALL THAT IS, OR THE, THE HILL THAT IS THERE WITH PLANT MATERIAL ROCK? SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A NATURAL FEATURE, A LANDSCAPE FEATURE IN THE DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO A RETAINING WALL.

UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

I, I GUESS THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I HAVE TO UM, MENTION HERE.

JUST TO CLARIFY A POINT.

UM, YOU ARE CORRECT.

THE CITIZEN DIDN'T VOTE ON THE WALL, UH, OR RETAINING WALL WHEN THEY VOTED ON THE 10TH STREET AND THE WALL WASN'T PART OF THE SCOPE OF OUR PROJECT, WE WERE JUST GOING TO REMOVE THE STREET AND REPLACE IT WITH THE NEWER MATERIAL, WHICH IS THE SAME STANDARD CONCRETE, UM, ROADWAY.

WE ALSO REALIGN THE ROADWAY TO STAY AWAY FROM THE SLOPE TO NOT IMPACT IT AT ALL BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA IMPACT ANY SLOPE OF ANY SYMMETRY IN THE, REGARDLESS IF IT'S IN HISTORICAL OR NOT HISTORY, BECAUSE THAT'S VIOLATING THE, UH, RULES AND, AND THE LAW.

UM, SO WE'RE ADDING THE STABILIZATION ON THE WALL PER THE COMMENT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE LANDMARK COMMISSION.

AND WE ARE ADDING MORE SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS A CONCERN, WE CAN HAVE RECEIPT WHILE WE ARE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE COST OF THIS RETAINING WALLS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, UM, THE DESIGN AND COST.

BUT I GUESS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE EVEN MORE, WE HAVE TO INVEST, WE HAVE TO PAY THE CONSULTANT FOR A PROJECT THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT GOES, IF IT MOVES FORWARD ON NINE.

UM, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CONSULTANT AND WE CAN INVEST UP TO SO MUCH TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS, I GUESS, ADDRESSING THE CONCERN OR NOT.

BUT AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY FOR CONSULTANT TO GIVE US THE, THE DESIGN TO GIVE US THE, UM, GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY, UM, WHAT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BUILD IS GOING TO LAST.

KEEP IN MIND, PLEASE, THAT THE SLOPE GONNA FAIL REGARDLESS OF THIS CONSTRUCTION.

I MEAN, OUR PROJECT DOES NOT HAVE ANY EFFECT, ANY IMPACT TO THE SLOW STABILITY OF THE SYMMETRY.

THE SLOPE GONNA FAIL.

EVEN IF WE SAY, OKAY, WE ARE NOT GONNA DO THIS PROJECT AT ALL.

UH, AT THAT POINT THEN SOMEONE HAS TO THINK ABOUT IT, HOW WE GONNA STABILIZE IT? WE, WE SAY WE ARE GONNA ABSORB THE CAUSE OF THE RETAINING WALL.

AND THE ORIGINAL, UM, I BELIEVE, UM, INVESTIGATION THAT THE CONSULTANT DID FOR US WAS A WALL.

AND OF COURSE IT HAS TO BE A CONCRETE WALL, UH, TO BE ABLE TO STABILIZE THIS SLOPE.

UM, THIS IS SLOPE IS FAILING, AS I MENTIONED, AND THERE ARE NOT TOO MANY VARIATIONS THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FOLLOW, BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE IS A LIABILITY WHEN WE ARE BUILDING A WALL.

AND, UH, THAT'S WHY WE ALWAYS AVOID TO BUILD A WALL BECAUSE THE LIABILITY IS VERY HUGE.

AND IF WE ACCEPT BUILD A WALL, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, BASED ON THE FULLY ENGINEERING RECOMMENDATION AND NOT JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, GETTING JUST THE WALL CONSTRUCTED JUST FOR THE AESTHETIC PART OF IT.

AND WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WALL IS, UM, IN LINE WITH THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT AGAIN, WHAT THE ENGINEERING INVESTIGATION WILL DICTATE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT, UM, OPPORTUNITY.

UNFORTUNATELY.

WILL YOU EXPLORE A MORE NATURAL WAY TO HOLD THAT HILL IN PLACE? A SOMETHING THAT KEEPS THE NATURAL, THE SLOPE THAT THE SLOPE

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THAT'S THERE AND WITH OTHER MATERIALS, UM, ROCK, UH, PLANT MATERIAL OR RIP WRAP, UH, REINFORCEMENT THERE, THERE'S GOTTA BE OTHER WAYS TO KEEP THAT WALL, THAT HILL IN PLACE BESIDES A 13 FOOT RETAINING WALL.

CAN YOU EXPLORE THAT FOR US? UH, AGAIN, IF THERE IS ANY METHOD THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY PRESERVE THE NATURAL LOOK OF THE SLOPE, WE WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO EXPLORE THAT.

I MEAN, I HAVE ZERO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

I, I GUESS THE THING IS THAT SINCE THIS PROJECT IS STILL ON HOLD AND WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD, WE CANNOT PAY FOR ALL THE INVESTIGATION TO HAPPEN.

SO, UM, MAYBE LATER ON, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO ADDITIONAL GEOTECHICAL INVESTIGATION AND THEY'RE GONNA COME AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, INSTEAD OF THE WALL YOU CAN HAVE OPTION A OR B.

IN THAT CASE, THEN THAT WILL SATISFY EVERYONE'S NEED.

BUT AT THIS POINT, THE PROJECT IS ON HOLD AND WE CAN NOT PAY THE INVOICES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA INVEST ON SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE DON'T KNOW IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.

THAT, THAT, I HOPE THAT, UM, THAT THAT'S A CLEAR POINT THAT I'M TRYING TO AT.

THE PROBLEM WE'RE COMING ACROSS IS THAT, IN MY OPINION, THE WALL IS AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE DISTRICT.

IT'S GONNA BE DAMAGING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

AND I PERSONALLY CANNOT VOTE FOR THAT.

I'M NOT, I'M NOT DEALING WITH THE RISK OF ISSUE WILL DO.

BUT IF YOU COULD EXPLORE SOMETHING THAT IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE DISTRICT THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE, THAT IS IN THE VERNACULAR OF THE CEMETERY IN THE NEIGHBOR, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDERSON.

MR. TAYLOR.

UM, YES, I, I THINK, UM, WE, WE ALL WANT TO SEE THIS ROAD GET UPDATED AND WE ALL HAVE CONCERNS FOR THAT RETAINING WALL AND GRADE.

UM, I, I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FROM THE CONSULTANT ON WHEN THAT STUDY, UM, OR DRAWINGS WILL BE PROVIDED IF YOU DO GET THAT APPROVAL, SAY NEXT TIME AFTER THIS COURTESY REVIEW? UH, YES SIR.

I THINK, AGAIN, I HAVE TO GO BACK TO, AM I ALLOWED TO TALK? I'M SORRY.

YES, GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

UM, I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO I GUESS I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE POINT THAT I MADE, UH, PREVIOUSLY, UH, WE HAVE TO PAY THE CONSULTANT TO DO THE EXTRA INVESTIGATION FOR US, RIGHT? WE'RE ALREADY ASKING THEM TO PROVIDE US WITH ADDITIONAL GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION WITH ADDITIONAL, UM, ARCHEOLOGICAL SERVICES AND ALL THIS, RIGHT? SO I GUESS AT THAT POINT, IF THE ENGINEER TELLS US THAT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BUILD IT OPTION A AND WE HAVE TO JUST FOLLOW THAT, I GUESS FOR US, WE'RE JUST GONNA, WITH WHATEVER THE ENGINEERING RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE GOAL, IF THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH ANOTHER MAYBE INNOVATIVE WAY TO DO IT LATER ON, THEN WE CAN EXPLORE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH THEM, THEY WERE SAYING THIS IS NO FAILING AND IT HAS TO BE AN ENGINEER OF ALL.

AND PROBABLY THE DESIGN AND EVERYTHING WILL PROBABLY TAKE TWO TO THREE MONTHS, UH, TO GET IT COMPLETED.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UH, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, IS THAT YOU? YES.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, UM, THE, THE, THE INVESTIGATION OF A POSSIBLE TO, UM, TO GET AWAY FROM EFFECT OF A, UH, 13 FOOT, UH, RETAINING CONCRETE RETAINER WALL, YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S SOLELY UPON YOUR CONSULTANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, YOU'RE RELYING ON THEM SOLELY AND THERE'S NO ONE IN THE CITY, CITY, CITY ENGINEERING OR CITY THAT CAN DO, UH, AN INVESTIGATION FOR DESIGN IN THAT MANNER.

AND THEN THAT COULD BE COORDINATED WITH LANDMARK AND COORDINATED WITH THE CONSULTANT AT THAT TIME.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING NOTHING CAN BE DONE BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S SOLELY UP TO THE CONSULTANT THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, ARE WORKING WITH AND THAT TALK TO THEM, UH, AND, AND YOU CAN'T GET ANYWHERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE MONEY LIMITED ON GOING ANY FURTHER WITH THAT.

MY THOUGHT IS, WELL, IS THERE NOT A DESK, UH, ENGINEERING DESK, A CIVIL DESK AT, UH, AT THE CITY THAT COULD LOWER THE, THAT POSSIBILITY, THAT TYPE OF DESIGN AND GET A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT END? IS THAT NOT A CAPABILITY AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU.

COMMISS CUMMINGS.

UM, I GUESS THE THING IS THAT, YEAH, WE DO HAVE ENGINEERING SECTION AND THEY ALL REVIEW ALL

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THE ENGINEERING DESIGN THAT WE RECEIVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S, UH, FOLLOWING THE CITY'S STANDARD.

I GUESS IT'S ANOTHER, I GUESS PART OF IT IS THAT, UH, AN, A GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION NEEDS TO HAPPEN, RIGHT? AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY BOIL THE SOIL AND THEY DIG THE SOIL AND THEY TAKE IT TO THE LAB AND ANALYZE IT, MAKE SURE WHAT KIND OF FAILURE IS THAT AND ALL THIS THINGS.

SO THAT PART IS OUTSIDE OF OUR CAPABILITY IN THE CITY, CUZ WE DON'T HAVE A LAB, WE DON'T HAVE ANY, UM, I GUESS EQUIPMENT TO DO TO PERFORM THOSE TYPE OF GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS.

BUT AGAIN, UM, OUR CONSULTANTS, THEY'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE GAME PLAN TO FIRST MAKE SURE THAT THIS ORGANIZED STATE IS THAT LIVES RIGHT.

AND DUE TO THE, I GUESS, SEVERITY OF THE FAILURE OF THIS SLOPE, THERE ARE SO MUCH YOU CAN DO.

AND, UH, YEAH, THERE ARE SOME SLOPES THAT ARE, THEY ARE IN A BETTER SHAPE THAT YOU CAN MAYBE DO IT WITH SOME SORT OF, UM, LIKE A GEO GRIDE OR OTHER TECHNICAL TERM THAT YOU CAN E STABILIZE IN ANY A BETTER WAY.

BUT AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WE HAVE WITH THE CONSULTANT, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE AN ENGINEERED WALL AND PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME SORT OF RETAINING WALL TO SOME EXTENT.

WHETHER THE WHOLE ENTIRE LENGTH SHOULD BE 10 FOOT 13 FOOT HEIGHT OR IT VARIES FROM MAYBE TWO FEET ALL THE WAY TO 10 FOOT BASED ON THE SLOPE.

UM, AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE, THE FINALIZING OF THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE AT THIS MOMENT.

OKAY.

I, I JUST KIND WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID AND WHAT'S KIND OF BEING, UM, MAYBE HOPE FOR ON SOME PARTIES, I JUST SEE THAT THERE'S AN IMPASSE THAT UM, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN AVENUE TO LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITIES OF A REDESIGN.

UM, AND THAT, THAT WE'VE GONE DOWN ONE PATH OF A, A DESIGN EXPLORATION AND THEN, AND WE'RE BEING SERVED THAT DESIGN AND IT'S ONLY THAT DESIGN WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD CUZ WE HAVE TO STABILIZE ONLY WITH THIS DESIGN.

I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, I I I SEE IT AS AN IMPASSE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE POINTING TO THE CONSULTANT AND THE CONSULTANT IS SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AND THEN WE START GETTING MY SAFETY, UH, ISSUES INVOLVED.

AND THIS IS LIKE THE DIRECTION THAT WE HAVE TO GO.

IT WOULD SEEM TO BE HELPFUL IF THERE WAS JUST THE, THOSE EX, IF THEY'VE BEEN ALREADY EXPLORED, IF THAT WAS BE, WOULD BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT, UH, UH, FROM CITY ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, SOMEBODY, UH, HERE'S ALL THE POSSIBILITIES AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE BEST, BEST.

THESE ARE THE REASON THESE ARE NOT.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GONNA BEING SPOONFED JUST ONE DIRECTION RIGHT NOW, ONE PATH AND IT'S ONLY THIS PATH.

AND THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF QUESTIONS AND BLOWBACK A LITTLE BIT FROM, FROM THE SITUATION JUST TO TRY TO SEE WHAT ARE, ARE THERE REALLY IS, IS THIS REALLY THE ONLY OPTION, UM, GIVEN TIME CONSTRAINTS GIVEN BOND, UH, ELECTIONS GIVEN MONEY? I JUST SEEMED LIKE THERE WOULD BE A, ANOTHER APPROACH, CITY ENGINEERING SOMETHING COULD GET INVOLVED IN THIS TO TRY TO GIVE US SOME POSSIBLE OTHER WAYS OF LOOKING AT THIS, UM, BEFORE THE FINAL VOTE ON, ON THIS.

CUZ I KNOW THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD.

UH, SO THAT I HAVE CONCERNS AND THAT'S MY QUESTION.

AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF THEY'RE NOT IN OFFICE THAT, OR A DESK IN THE CITY THAT WE COULD GET A PART OF THIS IF WE'RE NOT WILLING TO GO BACK TO THE CONSULTANT.

AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GO BACK TO THE CONSULTANT TO, TO DO ANY, ANY OF THESE INVESTIGATIVE ON ANY OTHER DESIGNS, UH, IS THERE NOT A, IS THERE NOT ANOTHER RECOURSE GIVEN TO US? UM, THANK YOU MR. CUMMINGS.

I THINK PRETTY MUCH WE'VE ARRIVED AT, NO THERE ISN'T BECAUSE AT LEAST NOT THAT CAN BE SEEN RIGHT NOW AMONG THE CITY STAFF.

COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.

YES.

UH, FOR THE SPEAKER, I HAVE A QUESTION AND OR TWO QUESTIONS.

FIRST OF ALL, WHAT'S THE LENGTH OF THE WALL PROPOSED WALL? UM, THE LENGTH OF, I HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK TO BE HONEST, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ALONG THE LENGTH OF THE WHOLE SYMMETRY.

THE HEIGHT VARIES FROM I THINK FIVE TO NINE FOOT.

I THINK THAT LENGTH IS, UH, 330 FEET.

UH, ONE OF MY COLLEAGUE ACTUALLY JUST TEXTED ME, SO THE LENGTH IS 330 FEET.

THE, THE HEIGHT VARIES FROM FIVE TO NINE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I MEAN, SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO MENTION HERE IS THAT WE DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER INNOVATIVE, YOU KNOW, SOLUTION TO THIS, UH, ENGINEERING WORLD.

BUT I GUESS I WANNA MAKE, I DON'T WANNA, UM, MAKE ANY PROMISES THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I CANNOT DELIVER LATER ON.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO HELP WITH THE CIVILIZATION OF

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THIS IS SLOW BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GOING, IT'S GOING TO FAIL ANYWAYS.

SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT.

THIS IS MY SECOND QUESTION.

UH, I KNOW THAT THERE'S A BUDGET, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EVEN A WORTHWHILE CONSIDERATION, BUT, UH, IF THE CITY OR WHOMEVER HAD THE EXTRA FUNDS TO DESIGN THE WALL IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WOULD DEPICT THE HISTORY OF THE CEMETERY OR THE HISTORY OF 10TH STREET, UH, SUCH AS, UH, SOME BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, HAVE ETCHINGS OR WHATEVER, LIKE THE DALLAS MORNING, OLD DALLAS MORNING NEWS BUILDING, ET CETERA, UH, THAT I WONDER IF THAT MIGHT BE ACCEPTABLE OF A WALL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF IT DEPICTED THEIR, THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I GUESS I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THAT TO YOU, BUT MAYBE EVEN MR. JOHNSON, UH, IF, IF THAT'S A, IF THAT COULD BE A CONSIDERATION TO ACCEPT A WALL.

I, I, I, LET'S HAVE MR. JOHNSON RETURN TO THE MICROPHONE AND HE CAN SAY WHAT HE THINKS OF THAT.

AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WHAT WE GET IS A WALL, MIGHT IT BE A BETTER WALL IF IT DID , UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S FUNNY, UM, UH, YOU'RE A GREAT MIND.

I'M A HALFWAY DECENT MIND, BUT WHEN I WAS SITTING BACK IN MY SEAT, I WAS THINKING OF SOMETHING COMPARABLE, UH, TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.

AND SO, UM, UH, THE IDEAL THING WOULD BE TO, TO PUT THE SLOPE BACK.

BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE PUSHING FOR THAT, BUT IN THE BACK OF OUR MINDS OF, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE THINKING ABOUT SOME TYPE OF A, AN ARTIST RENDERING OR, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, UM, TO MAYBE WE CAN COME UP TO THAT WITH A HAPPY MEDIUM.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OKAY, YOU'RE WELCOME.

EXCELLENT.

IT'S CERTAINLY WORTH THINKING OF POSSIBILITY OF EVEN, YOU KNOW, DOING A MURAL OR SOMETHING AND THERE MIGHT EVEN BE GRANT MONEY OUT THERE, SOMEONE COULD GET IF, IF THIS WALL IS ERECTED.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OH, I JUST HAD TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

UM, UM, WHAT IS THE COST OF THE PROJECT, THIS TOTAL PROJECT, AND WHEN, WHAT YEAR WAS THIS BOND, UM, REQUESTED? UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

UM, I BELIEVE I HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE STAFF.

UM, THEY ARE ACTUALLY HERE, THEY'RE LISTENING.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO LET ME KNOW ABOUT THE, UM, COST, UM, THE COST OF THE WALL ITSELF.

I BELIEVE IT ADDED SOMETHING AROUND, UM, ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLAR, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER AND BUILD THAT WALL.

THIS IS PART OF 2017 BOND PROJECT.

AND, UM, BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE POINT THAT, UM, I, I BELIEVE THE TERM, UM, UM, UM, MADE ABOUT THE MO NEURAL OR ANY, UM, KIND OF OTHER THINGS ON THE WALL, UH, WE ARE IN AGREEMENT.

I MEAN, OUR PLAN WASN'T TO ACTUALLY BUILD A PLAIN WALL.

WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A WALL THAT MAYBE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF CHARACTERISTIC TO IT.

UM, CONSULTING WITH, UM, I GUESS, UM, OTHER AGENCIES TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF, UM, ART OR DESIGN THAT, YOU KNOW, UH,