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MM-HMM.[Special Sign District Advisory Committee on March 14, 2023.]
THE SS D A C MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.HE'S GONNA BE AT WHAT NAME? OKAY.
WE DO HAVE THREE HERE, SO THAT CONSTITUTES A QUORUM.
JASON? UM, YES, I SHARE MY SCREEN.
YOU GUYS ARE BEHIND US AND WE CAN WATCH THE SCREEN AND WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR UGLY MUGS.
OH, JASON, UH, I THOUGHT YOU'D APPRECIATE THAT MURPHY
THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF DELAY BETWEEN THE TWO SCREENS.
YEAH, WE'LL SEE HOW THIS WORKS.
WELL, IF WE WATCH THIS ONE, WE CAN SEE THE, THE GUYS OKAY.
HI SCOTT AND MICHAEL, THEY'RE JOINING US.
DO I NEED TO RECORD THEM ON THIS OR DID YOU GET 'EM? ONION? NO, I'VE GOT 'EM.
THE FIRST IS APPLICATION NUMBER 23 2 1 5 0 0 3.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY CHRISTIE SMITH OF SIGNS MANUFACTURING AND MAINTENANCE COR FOR A 189.2 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 1818 COR AANA STREET.
IT'S ON THE SOUTHEAST ELEVATION.
IT IS IN THE FARMER'S MARKET SIGN DISTRICT, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 57.
UH, THAT IS THE FARMER'S MARKET SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT AND SUB-DISTRICT TWO A.
SO THE PROPOSED SIGN IS A SET OF L E D ELIMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS MOUNTED ON A RACEWAY AGAINST THE FACADE FACING I 30 VARYING THE NAMES, THE BRIDGE AND DOSWELL PAVILIONS.
ALL APPLICABLE CODE HAS BEEN MET AND THIS IS THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FROM THE FARMER MARKET SIGNED DISTRICT.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS DIVISION IS TO PROMOTE SIGNAGE THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL CHARACTER AND DESIGN GUIDELINES OF THE FARMER'S MARKET PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHILE ENCOURAGING ARTISTIC, CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE SIGNS THAT ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE THEMES THAT HAVE GROWN AND DEVELOPED IN THE FARMER'S MARKET AREA.
UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED WITHIN THE INNER LOOP OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY THREEQUARTERS OF A MILE SOUTHEAST OF CITY HALL NORTH OF I 30 AND WEST OF I 3 45.
IT IS AGAIN, LOCATED IN THE FARMER'S MARKET SUB OR SIGN DISTRICT.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S, UH, LOCATION IN RELATION TO THE OTHER SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICTS.
HERE IS THE AERIAL MAP ON THE LEFT AND THE ZONING MAP ON THE RIGHT AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SIGN LOCATION.
UH, THE SIGN OR THE PROPOSED SIGN IS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH FACADE FACING HIGHWAY 30 AND IS THE ONLY SIGN ON THAT FACADE AT THIS TIME.
UH, THE SIGN OCCUPIES LESS THAN 8% OF THIS FACADE AND THE SUBJECT SITE CONTAINS MULTIPLE FACADES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, THE SIGN IS A SET OF FIVE INCH DEEP CHANNEL LETTERS ALL MOUNTED ON RACEWAYS.
EVERYTHING IS METAL PLASTIC AND L E D LIGHTING.
UM, THE DIMENSIONS 10 FOOT BY 18 FOOT ONE, UH, FOR 189.2 SQUARE FEET.
THE COLORS ARE BURGUNDY, BLACK AND RED.
AND THE BACK LIGHTING IS DONE WITH WHITE AND RED.
L E D WHERE THE, UH, LOGO WOULD BE RED, L E D AND THE REST WOULD BE DONE WITH, WITH, UH, WHITE L E D.
THE BLACK LETTERING IS DAY NIGHT VINYL, SO IT WILL ILLUMINATE, UH, WHITE AT NIGHT AND THEN ALL TRIM CAP AND RETURNS ARE PAINTED TO MATCH THE FACE, UH, WITH THE RACEWAYS PAINTED TO MATCH THE WALL.
AND THE ENGINEERING, YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING IS THROUGH BOLTED THROUGH THE TOP WITH AN ANGLE IRON, UH, BRACKET IN THE BACK.
THIS IS THE SOUTH FACADE AND THIS IS LOOKING EAST AND WEST ON GRIFFIN, WHICH RUNS RIGHT ALONGSIDE THE, THE, THE HIGHWAY.
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AND THIS IS NORTH AND SOUTH ON ST.HERE ARE SOME OF THE SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT.
UM, THE FRONT AND BACK OF THAT LOCATION.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S QUITE A FEW SIGNS THERE, VARIOUS TYPES.
AND THIS IS, UH, ANOTHER LITTLE MARKET ACROSS, I BELIEVE THAT'S HARDWOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, WE'VE ALSO GOT THE SIMPLY SELF STORAGE.
I THOUGHT I'D THROW THAT IN THERE SINCE, UH, SINCE THAT WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR.
AND THE BRIAN LONGCAR AND ASSOCIATES AND THE AMELIA AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
WE DO HAVE, UH, DOUG JORGENSON, UH, REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
JASON, CAN I JUST GET YOU TO GO BACK TO THE INTRODUCTORY SIGN THAT SHOWED THE LOGO AND EVERYTHING MM-HMM.
I WE'RE, YOU HAD IT MARKED UP ON THE BUILDING.
IS THAT TO SCALE? BECAUSE THAT LOOKS DISPROPORTIONATE TO 8% TO ME AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST MY VISUAL CUZ REMEMBER THE, UH, STORAGE SIGN THAT WE ALL GOT SO UPSET ABOUT THE SIZE AND I JUST COULDN'T TELL THIS LOOKED LIKE THAT WAS LARGER.
I I WENT OFF THE APPLICANT PROVIDED MEASUREMENTS AND OKAY.
BASED ON THE SCALING THEY PROVIDED, WHICH IT, IT SEEMS PRETTY CLOSE.
I ESTIMATED THE BUILDING AT 20 FOOT TALL AND THEN BY 130 FOOT AND THEN JUST WENT WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UM, IF WE WANTED TO GET REAL LITERAL, WE ACTUALLY BOX AROUND EACH WORD TO CONFIGURE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT THE APPLICANT DIDN'T PROVIDE THAT.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT IT SPECKED A LITTLE BIGGER THAN IT ACTUALLY IS SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE.
BUT THE FARMER'S MARKET ALLOWS SO MUCH SIGN AREA THAT, UH, THAT IT, IT WAS REALLY KIND OF IRRELEVANT AS TO WHETHER IT MET CODE.
THEY DO HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE AND THEY'RE ALLOWED 10% OF EVERY FACADE THAT FACES RIGHT OF WAY TO BE COMBINED.
AND THAT IS THEIR SIGN AREA OR, OR THEIR SIGN AREA ALLOWANCE FOR THE ENTIRE PREMISE.
SO BASICALLY ALL THE SIGNS ON SITE ARE UNDER THAT 10% FOR ALL THE FACADES.
I REMEMBERED THAT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL WHEN THAT PARTICULAR SIGN AREA WENT THROUGH BECAUSE THAT
UH, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I REMEMBER SAYING THE LOGO COUNTED AS A WORD.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE IN OUR DEFINITION.
IT SAYS THAT IT'S A, UH, WORDS ARE CONSIDERED, UH, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DEFINITION OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THE PART THAT THAT GOES WITH LOGOS IS ANY, ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARK OR LOGO THAT DOESN'T CONTAIN ANY WORDS IS CONSIDERED A WORD.
AND THEN I THINK IT GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT ANY WORD IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
SO THE ARTS WOULD FALL UNDER THAT.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE D WITH THE F INSERTED.
DO OTHER PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS? WOULD THE SPEAKER, UH, DOUG, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? I JUST WAS CURIOUS.
I I HAVE A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
SO ARE THESE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES? THE BRIDGE AND I DON'T, THE BOSWELL PAVILION, IT WAS NOT SUBMITTED THAT WAY.
UM, THE PROPERTY BELONGS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IS THIS THE BRIDGE? THAT'S THE, UH, THE HOMELESS.
HOMELESS RECOVERY CENTER RECOVERY.
I'VE SERVED FOOD DOWN THERE BEFORE.
I JUST DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THINGS.
AND SO THIS IS A AFFIRMATION OF THE DAAL FOUNDATIONS MM-HMM.
UM, AND SO WE WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
THAT'S THE, COULD EVERYBODY HEAR DAVE, UH, DOUG OR DO WE NEED TO GET HIM TO MOVE CLOSER TO THE, ONE OF THE PCS THAT HAS A MIC ON? UH, NO, I COULD HEAR HIM.
WOULD WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YES.
I'M THE PRESIDENT AND C E O OF THE BRIDGE.
BRIDGE STEPS, ALSO KNOWN AS THE BRIDGE HOMELESS RECOVERY CENTER.
UM, AND THAT IS AT 1818 OCANA STREET, DALLAS, 75,201.
DID Y'ALL HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? MURPHY, TOM? NO, THAT'S FINE.
I I I WAS JUST TRYING TO, UH, SEE THE RELEVANCY OF THE, THE TWO ENTITIES TO ONE ANOTHER.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WAS GONNA HAVE WAS SEEING IF THE RACEWAY WAS GONNA MATCH THE, UM, UH, THE BUILDING FACADE, BUT JASON ALREADY, UM, CONFIRMED THAT.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION, GENTLEMEN? SURE.
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OKAY.COULD I GET YOU TO SECOND PLEASE, SIR? UH, WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.
UH, JASON, MS. COMMISSIONER HAWK JOIN US OR NOT? I DIDN'T SEE HER.
THEN WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND DO THE VOTE.
OUR NEXT CASE IS APPLICATION NUMBER.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR AND I'LL TO THANK YOU.
APPLICATION NUMBER 2 3 0 16 0 0 0 1.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY JOSEPHINE GU GONZALEZ OF CHANDLER SIGNS, INC.
FOR A 103 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED DETACHED SIGN AT 25 51 ELM STREET ON THE NORTH GOOD LAMER EXPRESSWAY FRONTAGE.
IT IS IN THE DEEP ELM NEAR EAST SIDE SIGN DISTRICT, UH, ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 2 69 TRACK B.
THAT IS THE DEEP ELM EAST SIDE SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, AND IT DOES HAVE A HISTORIC OVERLAY.
UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN IS AN L E D ILLUMINATED DETACHED SIGN ALONG THE FRONTAGE FACING NORTH GOOD LAMER BURYING THE MAIN EPIC DEVELOP WITH MULTI-TENANT PANELS.
UH, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO INCORPORATE THE USE OF EXISTING DETACH SIGN AND BY ADDING A MULTI-TENANT SIGN CABINET AS THE BASE ALL APPLICABLE CODE HAS BEEN MET.
UM, WE DID DETERMINE THAT SINCE THE SIGN IS NOT LOCATED ON THE FACADE, THAT, UH, LANDMARK DOES NOT HAVE TO REVIEW THE CA.
UM, THIS IS THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FROM THE, THE DEEP ELM SBS D UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS DIVISION IS TO PROMOTE SIGNAGE THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE, CHARACTER AND DESIGN GUIDELINES OF DEEP ELM NEAR EAST SITES PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHILE ENCOURAGING ARTISTIC, CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE SCIENCE, WHICH ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE THEMES THAT HAVE GROWN AND DEVELOPED IN THE DEEP ELM AREA.
JUST A SIDE NOTE, DEEP ELUM AND THE FARMER'S MARKET WERE KIND OF DEVELOPED ALONGSIDE EACH OTHER, AND THEIR CODE WAS IDENTICAL UNTIL WE AMENDED, UH, THE DEEP ELUM CODE A FEW YEARS AGO.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, JASON.
UH, THE SUBJECT SIDE IS LOCATED OUTSIDE THE INTER LOOP OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE SITE'S APPROXIMATELY THREEQUARTERS OF A MILE NORTHEAST OF CITY HALL, NORTH OF I 30 AND EAST OF I 3 45.
AGAIN, IT IS LOCATED IN THE DEEP ELM S SP S D YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE LOCATION THERE AND IT'S LOCATION IN RELATION TO THE REST OF THE SP SDS.
OKAY, HERE IS THE AERIAL MAP AND THE ZONING MAP.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS SIDE IS LOCATED RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE DEEP EL AND THE, UH, DOWNTOWN PERIMETER, UH, SIGNED DISTRICTS.
UM, WE WENT WITH THE DEEP ELUM BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE MORE RESTRICTIVE AND, UH, FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES, IT DOES MEET BOTH CODE REQUIREMENTS.
IT ALSO ADVERTISES FOR THE DEB BELLUM.
SO WE, WE PUT IT IN THAT SIGN DISTRICT.
UM, HERE IS, UH, THE SIGN LOCATION.
UH, THE PROPOSED DETACHED SIGN IS TO BE LOCATED ALONG NORTH GOOD LAMER WITH A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE EXISTING SIGN AND IT'S ALONGSIDE THE PROPOSED NEW SIGN.
UH, THE SIGNS WILL BE IN RELATIVELY THE SAME LOCATION.
AND HERE ARE THE SIGN DETAILS.
UM, BASICALLY THE SIGN IS TO INCORPORATE THE USE OF THE EXISTING DETACHED SIGN CONSISTING OF LOLLIPOP MOUNTED BACKLIT CHANNEL LETTERS ON A BACKLIT ALUMINUM BASE MOUNTED TO A NEW MULTI-TENANT BACKLIT SIGN CABINET.
EVERYTHING IS METAL PLASTIC AND L E D.
UH, ON THE EXISTING SIGN, THE EXTERIOR OF THE FOUR INCH DEEP LOLLIPOP MOUNTED CHANNEL LETTERS ARE PAINTED SILVER.
ALL RETURNS ARE PAINTED, UH, BLACK.
AND THE FACES OF EACH LETTER IS A PERFORATED ALUMINUM.
INSIDE THE LETTER IS WHITE AND THERE'S L E D LIGHTING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF EACH LETTER.
SO THEY'RE, THERE'S SORT OF A, AN OPEN FACE LETTER, BUT THEY HAVE A PERFORATED FACE.
UM, THE NEW MULTI-TENANT CABINET WILL BE PAINTING TO MATCH THE EXISTING PET BA BASE AND THE SIGN WILL BE BACK LIT WITH WHITE L E D.
EACH TENANT PANEL WILL HAVE A SILVER METAL FACE WITH ROUTED OUT GRAPHICS SO THAT ONLY THE WORDS THEMSELVES WILL ILLUMINATE AT NIGHT ON THE TENANT NAME.
UM, THE OVERALL DIMENSIONS IS 10 FOOT BY 10 FOOT NINE FOR 103.5 SQUARE FEET.
AGAIN, THE SIGN HAS A FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
THE COLORS ARE BLACK, SILVER, AND WHITE.
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AND AGAIN, ALL THE LIGHTING IS BACK LIT WITH WHITE L E D.HERE ARE SOME DETAILED PHOTOS OF THE EXISTING SIGN TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW THAT PERFORATED METAL WORKS.
AND HERE ARE THE MOUNTING DETAILS AND WE'LL GET INTO THE ENGINEERING NEXT.
BUT THE EXISTING SIGN WILL BE MOUNTED OVER THE NEW MULTI-TENANT CABINET AND ALL MULTI-TENANT PANELS ARE TO HAVE ROUTED METAL FACES WITH, SO THAT ONLY THE WORDS WILL BE BACK LIT WITH WHITE L E D AT NIGHT.
AND HERE IS THE OFFICIAL ENGINEERING, HERE IS THE SUBJECT SITE WITH SOME PHOTOS.
YOU CAN SEE THE EPIC SIGN THERE CURRENTLY.
AND THEN THE SIGN FOR THE PITTMAN HOTEL.
THOSE ARE CURRENTLY THE ONLY SIGNS ON THE SITE.
UH, THAT IS A PRIVATE DRIVE THERE, BY THE WAY.
UM, THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST AND SOUTHEAST ON NORTH GOOD LAMER AND NORTHEAST ON PACIFIC AND SOUTHWEST ON PACIFIC.
YOU CAN SEE THE PARK SIGN THAT WENT THROUGH, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS EARLIER THIS YEAR.
CAUSE I REMEMBER I DIDN'T ATTACK THE SIZE.
AND HERE'S SOME SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT.
THERE AREN'T MANY DETACHED SIGNS IN DEEP ELS.
SO WE DO HAVE THE WRITTEN SIGN, WHICH WENT THROUGH A FEW YEARS AGO.
AND, UH, A COUPLE OF THE DEEP ELUM IDENTIFICATION SIGNS, DISTRICT ID SIGNS HERE IS, UH, ANOTHER DEEP ELM DISTRICT IDENTIFICATION SIGN AND THEN A PAINTED SIGN ON, UH, ON A WALL THERE FOR THE THUNDERBIRD STATION AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
WE DO HAVE, UH, RICHARD BROWN WITH CHANDLER SIGNS HERE AS A REGISTERED SPEAKER.
AND WE'RE I, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
NO QUESTIONS, CHANDLER? YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
SO IS THE TENANT CABINET, UM, SINGLE-SIDED OR DOUBLE-SIDED? EVERYTHING IS SINGLE-SIDED ON THIS SIGN.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONLY AN ENTRY SIGN FOR THAT ONE LITTLE PART OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION, IT'S KIND OF, UM, TWO PART FOR THE TENANT PANELS.
UM, DO THOSE HAVE TO COME TO COMMITTEE OR, BECAUSE THE ENTIRE SIGN IS, AND THIS IS FOR MY EDIFICATION, UM, ONCE THE ENTIRE SIGN IS IS PASSED, THEN THE TENANT PANELS COULD JUST BE ADDED OR CHANGED OUT.
SINCE THE TENANT PANELS ARE ON THE SIGN AS TENANT PANELS, UM, WE WON'T MAKE IT COME BACK TO COMMITTEE.
UM, IT'S JUST UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THEY'LL BE BUILT THE WAY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SPECKED WITH, UH, ONLY THE LIGHTING ILLUMINA OR ONLY THE LETTERS ILLUMINATING AND, AND WE WON'T COME BACK UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES.
AND THEN, UM, IS THERE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THE COLOR OF THE, I I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE METAL FACE OR THE, THE, THEY'RE SPECKING THE METAL FACE WITH THE ROUTED, UM, UH, LOGO OR TEXT FOR THE TENANTS.
IS THERE A REQUIREMENT ON THE COLOR? UM, SO THEY SPEC SILVER, BUT THIS IS DEEP ELEMENT.
SO I MEAN, AS FAR AS COLOR GOES, IT'S, IT'S WIDE OPEN.
THAT'S ALL THE, I WOULD JUST HOPE THEY WOULD STAY WITH THE SAME THEME THAT THEY HAVE ON THE, THE EPIC DEEP ELEMENT ASSIGN, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE SIGN.
THIS, THE SUN'S VERY MONOTONE, BUT DEEP EL HAS A LOT OF, A LOT OF COLOR IN IT THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DEEP ELEMENT.
SO IF, IF I'M HEARING EVERYTHING RIGHT, THE THE EXISTING SIGN IS BEING REPURPOSED ON THE TENANT BOX BASICALLY? CORRECT.
AND NO CHANGES TO THE EXISTING SIGN, YOU'RE JUST ELEVATING IT ON A NEW BASE, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
MURPHY, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM.
I'LL SECOND I'M MOTION TO APPROVE IT AND THEN TODD SECONDS.
WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR ROLL CALL.
OKAY, TODD, I'M DOING A YAY TODAY.
THE NEXT CASE IS APPLICATION NUMBER.
APPLICATION NUMBER 23 0 2 1 7 0 0 1 4.
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IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY SHANNON TURNER.SIGN SYSTEMS FOR A 17 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 1511 EL STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
THIS IS IN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT IN THE RETAIL A SUBDISTRICT ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 19 SUBDISTRICT.
A UH, THE PROPOSED IS A 17 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT LOWER PROJECTING SIGN ON THE FACADE FACING ELM STREET, BURYING THE NAME SWEET TOOTH HOTEL.
THERE'S A LICENSE AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR THE SIGN AND THE CANOPY, OR EXCUSE ME, IN PROCESS FOR THE SIGN IN THE CANOPY.
AND ALL APPLICABLE CODE HAS, HAS BEEN MET.
HERE IS THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FROM THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT, UH, TO REGULATE SIGNS TO ENHANCE, PRESERVE, AND DEVELOP THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN WHILE ADDRESSING THE DIVERSITY OF BUSINESSES AND PROMOTING ITS ECONOMY.
UH, INCLUDE THE AESTHETIC CONSIDERATIONS TO ENSURE SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE DISTRICT.
DO NOT OBSCURE ITS SIGNIFICANT FEATURES AND LEND THEMSELVES TO THE DEVELOPING RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE PEDESTRIAN CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
AND TO INSPIRE, UH, OR AND THEY ARE INSPIRED BY THE NEED TO MAXIMIZE EFFECTIVE ORIENTATION OF SIGNS TOWARD THE HIGH LEVEL OF WALKING PUBLIC.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED, UH, EXCUSE ME, I SHOULD SAY JUST INSIDE THE INTERLOOP OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY ONE HALF MILE NORTH OF CITY HALL, EAST OF NORTH AKD AND WEST OF SOUTH IRVE.
HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN DISTRICT AND THE LOCATION OF THE SITE WITHIN RELATION TO THE REST OF THE SIGN DISTRICTS AND THE AERIAL MAP AND THE ZONING MAPS.
AND THE SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH FACADE ALONG ELM STREET.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S THE LITTLE PINK LINE.
IT ALSO SHOWS THE CANOPY IN THERE, UM, WHICH I THINK ALL OF THIS IS PART OF THE LICENSE AGREEMENT INFORMATION, WHICH WAS CONVENIENT FOR, FOR THE SIGN.
BUT, UH, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THAT LITTLE SLIVER.
AND HERE'S A SURVEY AS WELL AS A DETAIL OF THE LOCATION.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, IT'S SET BACK MORE THAN TWO FEET FROM THE CURB, AND IT DOES OVERHANG THE RIGHT OF WAY.
HERE'S A SIGN ELEVATION AND ANOTHER ELEVATION.
AND HERE ARE THE SIGN DETAILS.
UH, THE SIGN IS, IS CONSIDERED A LOWER PROJECTING ATTACHED SIGN.
EVERYTHING IS BUILT FROM METAL, PLASTIC AND L E D LIGHTING.
UH, THE OVERALL PROJECTION OF THE SIGN IS TO BE LESS THAN FOUR FEET, 10 INCHES.
UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN CONSISTS OF TWO STACKED ALUMINUM CABINETS CONTAINING BOTH PINK ROUTED METAL FACES WITH ACRYLIC, UH, BACKED WHITE GRAPHICS.
THE CABINETS ARE JOINED TOGETHER WITH TWO INCH ALUMINUM POLES, APPROXIMATELY FIVE INCHES APART.
UH, THE SIGN IS TO BE ILLUMINATED WITH WHITE L E D, WHICH WOULD MEAN ONLY THE LETTERS AND THE BORDER WOULD ILLUMINATE AND THOSE WOULD BE WHITE.
AND THE SIGN IS MOUNTED, UH, 10 FEET ABOVE THE SIDEWALK AND ON THE INSIDE OF A REVEAL INSIDE THE FACADE FACING ELM STREET.
AGAIN, IT'S, UH, THE DIMENSIONS OF THE SIGN IS FIVE FOOT BY THREE FOOT SIX FOR AN AREA OF 17 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE COLORS ARE PINK AND WHITE AND THE BACK LIGHTING IS TO BE DONE WITH WHITE L E D.
HERE ARE THE INTERNAL DETAILS AND THE ATTACHMENT DETAILS AND PHOTOS OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND YOU CAN SEE ANOTHER ANGLE THERE.
THIS IS LOOKING EAST AND WEST ON ELM.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE VIDEO BOARD ON THE BUILDING.
AND HERE'S SOME OF THE SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT THAT ARE OF THE SAME TYPE.
THERE'S THE 7-ELEVEN, THE MID ELM LOFTS, AND THE, UH, CAMPES IS ACTUALLY AN UPPER PROJECTING SIGN.
THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE A LITTLE LARGER,
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THE L T V TOWER.AND THIS LAST PHOTO WE INCLUDED BECAUSE THAT I THINK WOULD BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE, UH, ART DISPLAY WINDOWS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH, UH, THE MCKINNEY SUB-DISTRICT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
WE DO HAVE SHANDA JONES ON THE LINE, UM, OR ONLINE FOR ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
AND I'M, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
JUST A COUPLE OF CURIOSITY QUESTIONS, JASON, BECAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER.
I REMEMBER ONLY ONE PAINTED BUILDING IN THAT WHOLE AREA, AND THAT WAS THAT LITTLE, IT USED TO BE A LITTLE CAFE, IT WAS PAINTED BLUE AND IT WAS EITHER AT THE END OF COMMERCE OR THE END OF ELM.
IS THERE A RESTRICTION, DOES THAT HAVE TO GO FOR SPECIAL APPROVAL TO HAVE A BUILDING PAINTED? AND THIS IS MORE OF A, A CPC QUESTION THAN IT IS A A SIGN QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW IF I LOOKED AND I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ONLINE IN THE REGS? YEAH, IF IT'S IN A, A LANDMARK DISTRICT OR A HISTORIC DISTRICT, THEN MM-HMM.
BUT AS FAR AS AS THIS TO MY KNOWLEDGE WOULD NOT.
BECAUSE THAT WAS A CURIOSITY QUESTION.
AND THEN I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IS THE LICENSING PROCESS.
WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING ASKED? IS THAT SORT OF LIKE A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS EXCEPTION TYPE OF THING OR WHAT? UM, NO, IT'S ACTUALLY A REQUEST TO RENT THE AIRSPACE FROM THE CITY, UH, FOR AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE, THE SIGN IN PLACE AND THAT, THAT GOES THROUGH COUNCIL AND THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT.
I GOT CONFUSED CAUSE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT, SORRY GUYS, UM, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LICENSING AGREEMENT WAS ADDRESSING BECAUSE NORMALLY WE DON'T HAVE THINGS EXTENDING OUT ABOVE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IS IT THEN FOR THE AWNING AND THAT TYPE OF THING? YEAH, FOR THIS IT'S THE CANOPY AND THE SIGN.
THE DOWN THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SPS D ALLOWS SIGNS TO OVERHANG THE RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS DOWNTOWN MM-HMM.
SO ANYTHING REALLY, IF IT'S MOUNTED TO THE BUILDING, UH, IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A RIGHT OF WAY AGREEMENT FOR THE REVIEW OF THIS PARTICULAR BODY.
ANYTHING THAT PROJECTS MORE THAN 18 INCHES INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY AUTOMATICALLY HAS TO COME, WHICH IS WHY THIS PARTICULAR SIGN IS HERE.
MOST WERE BASICALLY MY QUESTIONS GUYS.
DO YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I, I, I TAKE IT THE EASEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, UH, FOR THE CANOPY, UH, WAS INTACT TO ALLOW THE SIGN AS WELL.
UH, I I, IT IT'S CONFINED BUT THEY BOTH HAVE TO BE MENTIONED IN THE AGREEMENT.
I BELIEVE THEY, UH, THEY APPLIED FOR BOTH, UM, AT THE SAME TIME IN THIS SAME PACKET WAS, UH, A SURVEY FOR JUST THE CANOPY AS WELL.
GOT, BUT I, I TOOK THAT OUT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T RELATE.
WELL IT'S PAYING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S, YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS ALREADY ASSIGNED IS THIS REPLACING THAT SIGN.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A, A TENANT NEXT DOOR CALLED PINK TOES AND THEY HAVE A SIGN THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE, FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, ARCADE THERE.
SO IT'S KIND OF IN THEIR ENTRYWAY.
YOU CAN SEE IT THERE ON THE LEFT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THERE, THERE ARE NO OTHER PROJECTING SIGNS ON THIS PARTICULAR LEASE SPACE.
UM, THERE IS THE PUBLIC PARKING SIGN FURTHER DOWN AND THEN THE L T V SIGN, UH, FOR THE, THE APARTMENTS THERE.
AND THEN FURTHER TO, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? THE WEST IS THE VIDEO BOARD.
UM, SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PROJECTING SIGNS ON THIS FACADE, BUT THAT IS KIND OF THE INTENT FOR THE REQUIREMENT.
THEY ALLOW ONE PER, UH, PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE AND THEN THE UPPER PROJECTING SIGNS ARE UNDER A DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT.
JASON, GO BACK FOR A SECOND BECAUSE YOU HAD A SWEET TOOTH SIGN ALREADY UP THERE.
AND THEN IS THIS, IS THE PROJECTING SIGN NEED TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT OR AN ADDITION TO, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP.
WILL THIS ONE GO AWAY OR IS IT BASED ON THE DRAWINGS THAT ARE SUBMITTED? I BELIEVE IT WOULD, UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CANOPY'S GONNA GO RIGHT WHERE THAT SIGN LOCATION IS.
THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE TO ME.
SO SHONDA, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION PLEASE, MAAM? YES, MA'AM.
THAT'S JUST A TEMPORARY SIGN UP THERE SO THEY HAVE SOME IDENTIFICATION,
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BUT THAT WILL BE REMOVED.I WAS JUST CONFUSED ABOUT MULTIPLE SIGNAGE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THERE IS SOME WINDOW SIGNAGE DOWN ON THE CORNER.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU POINTED THAT OUT OR NOT.
I BELIEVE THAT'S GOING AWAY AS WELL, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.
OH, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHITEISH KIND OF BACKGROUND SIGN TO THE FAR LEFT, JASON? YES.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE ART SIGNAGE, THE LITTLE ART DISPLAY I THINK IS ALLOWED, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BIG BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A RESTRICTION THAT CAN'T TOTALLY OBLITERATE.
YEAH, THEY, THEY, THOSE, THOSE SHOULD BE REMOVED.
OTHER QUESTIONS GUYS? NO, MA'AM.
OH MA'AM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
HAVE THIS GRAY HAIR FINALLY EARNED ME SOME RECOGNITION.
UM, YOU GUYS ARE A TOUGH AUDIENCE.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION THEN? SURE.
CAN I GET YOU TO DO A SECOND? THAT MOTION? OKAY.
BUT I DEFINITELY AM FREAKED OUT BY BRIGHT PINK BUILDING.
WELL, I WAS TOO, BUT IT AINA GIRL.
I'M SUPPOSED TO LIKE PINK, BUT I'M LIKE, OH MY GOSH.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE BUILDING'S ALREADY PAINTED THOUGH.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND THEY ACTUALLY GOT SOME RUBBERS BROWN ON THE SIDEWALK, WHICH I HOPE THEY'LL CLEAN UP WHEN THEY GET THERE.
ACTUALLY, THEY, THEY SHAPED IT TO WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT LEAKS ONTO THE SIDEWALK.
IS THAT INTENTIONAL, JESS? YES.
UH, IN THAT CASE, THAT ONE IS NOW AFFIRMED.
THE LAST APPLICATION IS APPLICATION NUMBER 23 2 1 7 0 0 2 2.
AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPOINTMENTS BY CHRISTIE SMITH OF SIGNS MANUFACTURING CORPORATION FOR A 164 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED DETACHED SIGN AT 1712 COMMERCE STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
IT IS IN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT.
ALSO WITHIN THE RETAIL A SUBDISTRICT, UH, THE SIGN IS ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 19, OR EXCUSE ME, THE SITE AND SUB-DISTRICT C UH, THE PROPOSED IS AN UPPER LEVEL FLAT ATTACHED SIGN IS A 164 SQUARE FOOT SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS MOUNTED FLUSH AGAINST THE FACADE FACING JACKSON STREET, BEARING THE NAME RENAISSANCE IN BY MARRIOTT.
THE SIGN IS INTENDED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LETTERS ON THE FACADE.
UH, THE EXISTING LO CABINET IS TO REMAIN ON THE FACADE.
THE PROPOSED SIGN ONE IS ONE OF THREE SIGNS ON THE SUBJECT SITE.
THE ADDITIONAL SIGNS WERE APPROVED UNDER DIRECTOR PROCEDURE.
UH, ALL APPLICABLE CODE HAS BEEN MET.
AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT, UH, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO REREAD THAT OR I DON'T NEED IT.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA HAVE THAT REREAD? NO, I'M GOOD.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A YES OR NO.
SO THE LOCATION OF THE SITE IS INSIDE THE DOWNTOWN INTER LOOP.
UM, THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY ONE QUARTER OF A MILE NORTH OF CITY HALL, WEST OF ST.
PAUL STREET AND EAST OF UR BAY.
HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN WITHIN THE SIGN DISTRICT AND IN RELATION TO THE OTHER, UH, SIGN DISTRICTS AND THE AERIAL AND ZONING MAPS.
HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN.
UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN ONE IS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH OFS JACKSON STREET IS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LETTER SET.
AND HERE ARE SOME SIGNED DETAILS WITH THE PHOTOS.
UH, THESE ARE GONNA BE FLUSH MOUNTED CHANNEL LETTERS FIVE INCHES DEEP.
UM, THEY ARE PROPOSED TO BE PAINTED GRAY AND THAT WILL BE, UH, THE RETURNS AND THE TRIM CAP.
UH, THE FACES WILL BE THE, UH, PERFORATED VINYL THAT'S ALSO GRAY, SO THEY'LL ILLUMINATE WHITE AT NIGHT.
UM, THE DIMENSIONS ARE EIGHT FOOT, TWO AND A HALF BY 20 FOOT ONE WITH A, UH, AREA OF 164 SQUARE FEET AND COMBINED WITH
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THE EXISTING CABINET THAT MAKES IT 200 SQUARE FEET.UH, AGAIN, THE COLORS ARE PMS 2 25 OR 4 25 GRAY.
AND THE BACK LIGHTING IS ALL WHITE.
YOU CAN SEE THAT ALL SIGNAGE IS ABOVE THE 36 FOOT LINE, MAKING THEM ENTIRELY IN THE UPPER LEVEL.
AND WE'VE ALSO GOT THE, UH, SIGN DETAIL ON THE RIGHT, SHOWING HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED AND THE ENGINEERING AND MOUNTING.
THIS IS LOOKING AT THE SOUTH FACADE.
AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT.
UM, THERE'S THE SANTANDER THAT WENT THROUGH A FEW YEARS AGO.
WE'VE GOT THE AT AND T ON THE RIGHT AND D UH, OR THE D AND ALSO, UH, FAIRFIELD INN IN SUITES AND THE TOWN PLACE, BOTH BY MARRIOTT.
JUST, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE LOT WE WERE STANDING IN AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
AND WE HAVE DOUG JORGENSON HERE AND DAN WILLIAMS AS REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
UM, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
OKAY, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? DEAN? NO.
IT'S JUST A REPLACEMENT SIGNED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND QUESTION? I'LL, I'LL SECOND THAT.
OKAY, TODD, IN FAVOR? AND THE CHAIR VOTES IN FAVOR.
SO, AND DOUG, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE? NOPE.
UH, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
BECAUSE WE'VE HANDLED ALL THE OTHER BUSINESS.
AND I SAID AND HAVE A GREAT DAY.
AND WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE NEXT STEPS.
UH, THE LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
DID ANYBODY FIND ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE MINUTES? I THINK EVERYTHING IN THE LAST MEETING WAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY.
AND AGAIN, WE HAD, UM, TODD AND DAVID AND I WERE THE ONLY THREE HERE CUZ COMMISSIONER HAKE AND MURPHY WERE UN WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND.
SO DID ANYBODY FIND ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE MINUTES? MM-HMM.
IF THERE ARE NO CORRECTIONS, THEN THE MINUTES STAND APPROVED AS STATED.
SO WE ARE NOW, IT IS 10 47 AND WE ARE READY TO DISMISS UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS OTHER COMMENTS.
MICHAEL, SCOTT, ANYTHING Y'ALL WANNA ADD IN THAT CASE? EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT DAY.