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GOOD

[Landmark Commission Meeting on April 3, 2023.]

AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.

IT IS APRIL 3RD AT 1 0 7.

WE TRIED TO START ON TIME.

UM, I'M THE CHAIR, EVELYN MONTGOMERY.

UH, COMMISSIONER COURTNEY SP IS OUR VICE CHAIR, AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE.

SO WE BEGIN BY ASKING ELAINE TO PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL OF THE PRESENT COMMISSIONERS.

DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.

PRESENT, DISTRICT TWO.

COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.

PRESENT, DISTRICT THREE.

COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT FOUR DIS.

UH, COMMISSIONER SWAN.

HERE.

DISTRICT FIVE.

COMMISSIONER OIT.

HERE.

DISTRICT SIX.

COMMISSIONER HENAA.

PRESENT? DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.

PRESENT? DISTRICT EIGHT.

COMMISSIONER.

SPY DISTRICT NINE.

COMMISSIONER REAU.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER HDU.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 11.

COMMISSIONER GIBSON.

PRESENT? DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER.

DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER SLADE.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER GUEST PRESENT.

DISTRICT 15.

COMMISSIONER VEN CHAIR.

UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.

RIGHT.

THANK.

THANK YOU ELAINE.

WE HAVE PLENTY OF US.

UM, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS HERE TO DISCUSS THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM LAST TIME? NEVER ARE.

UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO THE MINUTES APPROVAL UNLESS SOMEONE HAS, UM, IF, IF, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A CORRECTION TO MAKE TO THE MINUTES, COULD SOMEONE PLEASE MOVE TO, UM, ACCEPT THE MINUTES? WELL, WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BELVIN AND WE'LL SAY COMMISSIONER SWAN SECONDING.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT.

UH, THE NEXT THING BEFORE WE, UH, REORDER OUR SCHEDULE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA TODAY.

SO WE MUST STRICTLY ADHERE TO OUR, UM, OFFICIAL PRACTICES, WHICH WE SOMETIMES HEAR FROM WHERE ON EACH, EACH PARTICULAR ITEM.

EACH PERSON CAN SPEAK ONLY TWICE, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THREE MINUTES.

AND I HAVE FIVE OF ASK AN ATTORNEY AND DO YOU GET THE ANSWER YOU NEED? UH, ELAINE HAS AGREED TO SET HER LITTLE BEEPING TIMER FOR US BECAUSE IT'S NICE AND SUBTLE AND IT WILL REMIND YOU WHEN YOU HAVE SPOKEN FIVE MINUTES.

THAT SHOULD KEEP HER BUSY TOO.

SO WE'LL JUST DO THAT.

COMMISSIONER BESSEY, BEFORE WE REORDER, I'M JUST GOING TO LIST OUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK IN PERSON.

WE HAVE YVONNE ALVAREZ, JULIO GUTIERREZ, WILL MITCHELL, ROB BALDWIN, ELIZABETH WALKER, PHILIP MASON, AARON TREE CARTON, J EISENBERG, WILLIAM EISENBERG, EMILY STEVENSON, JOHN GORLEY, NATHAN RYLANDER, JOSH LEE, MANNY FERNANDEZ, LESLIE NEPO, ANNA ABUS, UH, RENEE SCHMID AND NOEL ATON.

IF YOU ARE PRESENT, BUT YOUR NAME WASN'T CALLED, YOU NEED TO SEE ELAINE VERY QUICKLY.

ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

ALL RIGHT THEN, UM, I, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE CONSENT PERSON THAT WE'RE PULLING THROUGH HERE, OKAY? OKAY.

SO WE'LL BE PULLING CONSENT ITEMS C NINE 11 AND 13 TO DISCUSSION.

SO FIRST I'LL START BY MOVING TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.

SHERMAN, I WANTED TO PROPOSE THAT WE MOVED D 16, UM, TO CONSENT, 2 22 SOUTH ROSEMONT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THAT ITEM FROM DISCUSSION TO CONSENT AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR BRIEFING.

AYE, AYE.

AYE.

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL MOVE THAT OVER TO CONSENT.

IS THERE ANYBODY HERE? UH, NOT IN PERSON.

OKAY, BECAUSE

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THERE, IT'S NOW ON CONSENT, WHICH USUALLY REQUIRES LESS NEED TO SPEAK.

UM, DID WE VOTE ON THE, ON CONSENT? 29.

OKAY.

SO MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 8, 10, 12.

AND DISCUSSION ITEM 16 SECOND.

I DON'T, OKAY.

AND CONSENT ITEM 14.

SURE.

CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 8, 10, 12, 14 IN DISCUSSION.

ITEM 16, MR. APPROVE.

SECOND.

OKAY, WELL, ALL WE NEEDED WAS A SECOND ACTUALLY .

SO THE SECOND WILL BE COMMISSIONER SWAN, BECAUSE THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER'S FALLACY.

OKAY.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT ITEM THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON THAT HAD SOME NEW INFORMATION TO BRING US? BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SET TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL OF THEM.

OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

THIS MOTION HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL THOSE CONSENT ITEMS HAVE, UH, WILL GO IN ACCORDANCE TO WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED.

EVERYTHING ELSE WILL NOW BE ORDERED.

ALL RIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE, UH, TODAY'S AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING.

WE'LL START WITH CONSENT ITEM NINE, FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEM 11 AND CONSENT ITEM 13.

THEN WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION ITEM 18, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM 1, 6, 7, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 15, 5, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, AND NINE.

WAIT, 19.

OKAY.

THERE IS A 19, 19, 0, 19.

DID EVERY, DID EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET THAT? GET IT? NO DISCUSSION.

ITEM 18.

IT'S RIGHT AFTER THE 18.

WE MOVED UP TO CONSENT.

AND PART OF THE WAY WE REORDER THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WAITING TO SPEAK ON IT.

TRY MOVE THEM FORWARD.

SO THAT'S, SURE.

SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH C NINE, C 11, C 13, FOLLOWED BY D 18, 1, 6, 7 23, 4, 8, 9, 10, 15, 5, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19 AT THE END.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS FALLACY.

THAT MEANS WE NOW BEGIN WITH, UM, THE READING IN OF THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS C NINE.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY, WHAT IS THE BRIEFEST WE CAN READ IN THESE ? HOW MUCH DO THEY NEED TO READ? AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO.

THEY NEED TO READ IN THE CASE NUMBER, THE ADDRESS AND THE REQUEST, BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THEY CAN SAY FOR NUMBER ONE, APPROVED.

NUMBER TWO, APPROVE OR DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE ENTIRE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY? THAT SHOULD HELP PRESERVE PEOPLE'S VOICES.

SO LET'S PLEASE PROCEED WITH SAY NINE.

OKAY.

CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE.

UM, OH, CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE, MS. MANKOWSKI, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? YEP, IT IS.

I MADE SURE THIS TIME .

I CAN MOVE IT LIKE EVEN CLOSER.

IS THAT BETTER? OKAY.

CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 9 57 31 SWISS AVENUE, UH, CA 2 23 2 6 2 CM.

THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT PORCH AWNING AND COLUMNS.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU.

AND WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.

THE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, DID SEND IN A REQUEST TO AMEND HIS APPLICATION TO, UM, DO A FULL WINDOW TO MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE, OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S THE WRONG, THIS IS THE WRONG ONE.

SORRY, I HAVE 20 OF THEM.

NEVERMIND.

THIS IS THE AWNING ONE? YES.

OKAY, SORRY.

SO, UM, OUR FIRST REGISTERED SPEAKER IS LESLIE NFU, AND I SEE YOU ON, ON CAMERA.

MS. NFU, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

LESLIE NFU, SEVEN 18 DUMAS, DALLAS, TEXAS.

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AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES.

OKAY, MA'AM, YOU HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES FOR WHATEVER YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO TELL US.

OKAY.

AND YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN NOW? WE CAN.

THAT WORKED REALLY WELL.

OKAY.

SOMEHOW, UM, HERE IS THE HOUSE IN QUESTION.

UM, WE'RE REQUESTING TO REMOVE THIS FRONT, UM, AWNING AND COLUMNS.

UM, IT'S ALL MADE OF WOOD AND, UM, TO REPLACE IT.

THESE ARE JUST PHOTOS OF ITS EXISTING OR CURRENT STATE.

ACTUALLY, THESE ARE FROM ABOUT A YEAR AGO TODAY, I WENT BACK AND TOOK SOME PHOTOS AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

IT'S, UM, IT'S A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT COMPLETELY DETACHES FROM THE HOUSE.

UM, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS ORIGINAL.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE WAY IT OVERLAPS, THE WINDOW HEADERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DOOR, UM, AND THE WAY THAT IT INTERACTS WITH THIS, UM, ROLLING HEADER AS WELL, THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE AT THE TIME, UH, THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.

UM, AND IF YOU GO AND LOOK, UM, UP UNDER THERE, THERE'S NO ATTACHMENTS TO THE BRICK.

UM, SO THIS MAKES ME EVEN QUESTION MORE THAT, UM, IF IT'S ORIGINAL OR NOT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT TO BE ORIGINAL.

UM, THERE IS A LOT OF DISCOLORATION AT THE TOP OF, UM, THE ARCH AS WELL, THE OVERLAPPING HERE, UM, ON THE HEADERS.

UM, AND THEN IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO, UH, THE BRICK IN ANY WAY OR TIED DOWN.

UM, IT'S BASICALLY BEING GLUED ON.

UM, WE'RE REQUESTING TO REPLACE IT, UM, WITH A WOOD AWNING AND SUSPENDED, UM, BY CHAINS THAT, UM, ARE SIMILAR TO CHAINS THAT ARE, WERE ON THE GARAGE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE SAME, UH, PROFILE EYEBROW WITH THE WINGS ON THE SIDE, UM, EXCEPT THAT WE WOULD RAISE IT SO THAT IT'S ABOVE THE CONCRETE HEADERS HERE OF THE WINDOWS IN PULLED OFF OF THE DOOR.

SO IT GIVES A LITTLE MORE BREATHING ROOM.

UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE'S THE, OOPS, HOW IT'S VERY TIGHT ON THE DOOR AND WE'RE PROPOSING FOR IT TO BE, HAVE A LITTLE MORE BREATHING SPACE AND TO, UM, BE NOT REPLACE THE COLUMNS.

UM, THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THE DOORS VERY TIGHT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE STEPS UP FROM THE DRIVEWAY, UM, TO GIVE IT SOME MORE BREATHING ROOM.

UM, SOME RENDERING IMAGES OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BE BUILT OUT.

EXCUSE ME.

THAT IS YOUR TIME.

OKAY, MS NET, THAT, UM, THAT IS YOUR, UH, FIVE MINUTES.

DID YOU HAVE MUCH MORE? NO, MA'AM.

OKAY.

UH, THE NEXT REGISTERED SPEAKER IS TYLER BECKLEY.

IS TYLER BECKLEY AVAILABLE? YES.

OKAY.

WE ARE GONNA NEED TO SEE YOU SOMEWHERE.

I DON'T, I'VE NEVER KNOWN I'VE, I'VE STARTED MY VIDEO.

I, I DUNNO HOW TO ORIENT IT WHERE IT'S SHOWING.

OH, OKAY.

NOW I CAN SEE YOU.

UH, PLEASE FIRST START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

TYLER BEXLEY.

I'M THE HOMEOWNER AT 57 31 SWISS AVENUE.

OKAY.

AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.

OKAY.

YOU HAVE, UH, IF YOU'RE JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US SOMETHING, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES TO DO THAT IN.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF WHAT WAS ON THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY.

OUR OUR PHOTOS DON'T GO BACK ANY FURTHER THAN THE SIXTIES OR THE SEVENTIES.

UH, IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, UH, WE THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WHY, UH, THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES THAT THE AWNING, UH, THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY WAS NOT ORIGINAL.

UH, THE FIRST IS THE WAY THAT IT IS ORIENTED THAT MS. NFU COVERED.

SO I WON'T REHASH THAT.

THE SECOND IS THE DISCOLORATION AROUND THE SIDES THAT SHE ALSO COVERED.

UH, THE THIRD IS THE WAY THE AWNING IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE.

UH, AND THEN THE FOURTH IS THE LOCATION OF THE AWNING, UH, BY THE STAIRS, UH, OBSTRUCTS THE ENTRY TO THE SIDE STAIRS.

I WENT AND LOOKED AT SEVERAL HOUSES THAT HAVE SIMILAR COLUMN STRUCTURES ON SWISS AVENUE IN THE

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DISTRICT, AND NONE OF THE OTHERS WERE ORIENTED IN THAT SAME WAY WITH STAIRS RIGHT NEXT TO THE COLUMNS THAT WERE OBSTRUCTED.

AND THE FIFTH IS, UH, THE EXISTENCE OF A SUSPENDED AWNING ON THE BACK HOUSE THAT WAS THERE, UH, PREVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING PUTTING ON THE FRONT.

I THINK THOSE FIVE REASONS DEMONSTRATE IN THE ABSENCE OF PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THAT THAT WAS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, NOT AN ORIGINAL AWNING.

WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO DO, UH, IS TO REPLICATE SIMILAR AWNINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN, UH, THAT APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL ON OTHER HOMES IN THE DISTRICT.

WE SUBMITTED PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THREE OF THOSE HOMES, A SISTER NEIMAN MARCUS HOME AT 58 0 3 SWISS AVENUE, A HOME AT 6,005 SWISS AVENUE, AND A HOME AT 63 17 BRYAN PARKWAY.

UM, AND FOR THOSE REASONS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE STRUCTURE THAT THE PROPOSAL WE'RE MAKING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DISTRICT'S HISTORICAL GUIDELINES IN REPLACING A NON-ORIGINAL, UH, ADE STRUCTURE.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND STICK AROUND FOR WHEN COMMISSIONERS WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AFTER WE HEAR FROM OUR THIRD SPEAKER, WHICH IS ELIZABETH MAST, A FORMER LANDMARK COMMISSIONER.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

NICE TO SEE HOW YOU KNOW, THRILL NAME AND ADDRESS.

HI, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH MAST AND I LIVE AT 57 11 SWISS AVENUE.

UM, AND I AGREE, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM AND YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.

OH, RIGHT, ABSOLUTELY.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY, GOOD.

OKAY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, .

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

UM, YES, I LIVE AT 57 11 SWISS, AND IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO 57 31 SWISS.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT FOR JUST ABOUT 20 YEARS, AND A VOWS, UM, 20 YEARS, 15 OF THOSE HAVE BEEN NEXT DOOR TO THE, UM, PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, BEFORE I START, I WANNA TELL YOU THAT, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT I HAD WITH PREVIOUS OWNER, UM, IS SO STRONG.

UM, HARRIET EARHART IS LIKE A FAMILY MEMBER AND ALMOST LIKE A MOTHER TO ME.

SO THAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP THERE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, UM, I ALSO REPRESENTED HARRIET IN THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY.

THIS PROPERTY WAS ON THE MARKET FOR OVER A YEAR.

IT WAS IN SUCH DECLINING SHAPE, UH, THAT NO ONE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY ON.

UM, BUT AFTER ABOUT A YEAR, THE CURRENT OWNERS DECIDED TO TAKE IT ON AND HAVE SPENT AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND TIME REBUILDING THIS PROPERTY, TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IS IN THERE.

UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.

I MEAN, EVERY DETAIL HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.

UM, AND THAT'S REALLY HARD WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GROW THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

WE, YES, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THEM, YES, WE WANNA KEEP THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO INVEST MONIES IN THIS.

NOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT POINTS THAT TYLER BROUGHT UP IN THE PREVIOUS WOMAN, I TOTALLY AGREE.

I WANT TO ALSO CONFIRM BACK IN THAT, UH, HAIL STORM IN 2012, THE OVERHANG, UH, WAS SUSPENDED BY THE ORIGINAL CHAINS ON THE GARAGE.

UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS DONE, THERE WOULD BE AN INCONSISTENCY FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.

YOU ALSO SEE THOSE OVERHANGS, UH, WERE SUSPENDED BY CHAINS AT 58 0 3.

UH, THAT HOUSE WAS ALSO BUILT FOR THE MARCUS FAMILY AS WELL AS 57 31 WITHIN A FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES, SO I WOULD HAVE TO BELIEVE, UM, THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORIGINAL PHOTOS OF THE FRONT, THAT IT WAS PROBABLY SUSPENDED LIKE THE BACK WAS AS WELL.

UM, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, I HAVE SPENT OVER 11 YEARS EDUCATING PEOPLE, OUR NEIGHBORS, BUYERS, CURRENT RESIDENTS ON HOW IMPORTANT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THESE FOLKS THAT ARE PUTTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN GROWING OUR, OUR DISTRICTS.

I MEAN, WE'VE COME SO FAR IN THE LAST 11 YEARS, UM, AND I'M JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU WILL, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THIS ONE PIECE BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF.

AND, AND REALLY WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS AN EYESORE.

UH, AND NOT ONLY I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE NEXT BIG STORM CUZ IT IS GONNA COME DOWN.

IT IS JUST LITERALLY TAPED UP THERE, UH, GLUED UP THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT BY THE PICTURES.

SO I PLEAD WITH YOU.

I ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THEIR REQUEST BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE SO MUCH TO THIS HOUSE AND WITH SO MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT FOR THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MS. MAST.

AND, UM, WE, WE DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO PROMOTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN EAST DALLAS.

WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHAT AN EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVE YOU ARE.

UM, SO NOW WE NEED TO OPEN IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

I HAVE ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION THAT I WANTED TO ASK EITHER THE OWNER OR MS. NEPHEW, THE

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MATERIAL OF YOUR PROPOSED AWNING IS WOOD AND THE COLOR MATCHES THE, UM, COLOR ON THE INTERIOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WINDOWS.

THE MULLIONS.

I JUST WASN'T SURE OF THAT FROM THE DRAWINGS.

DID WE LOSE BOTH OF OUR OTHER SPEAKERS? I'M, I'M HERE.

I'LL, I WILL DEFER TO MS. NEBU AS THE, AS THE DESIGNER? YEAH.

OKAY.

MS. NEBU WAS LOOKING, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, PAINT IT BLACK OR, UM, WE WOULD CONSIDER PAINTING IT THE, UM, DARK GREEN THAT THE WINDOWS ARE PAINTED AND TRIM MEASURING IT RIGHT THERE.

OKAY.

WOOD, IS IT WOOD OR METAL? WOOD.

OKAY.

SO IT'S WOOD AND YOU WOULD CONSIDER PAINTING IT TO MATCH THE INTERIOR OF THE WINDOWS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

WHAT COM QUESTIONS? DO OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE? COMMISSIONER RENO? YEAH.

ONE QUICK QUESTION.

UM, FOR, UM, FOR MS. NVU, UM, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF, UM, OF THE SCUTCH OR OF THE CHAIN CONNECTION, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THROUGH THE BRICK? UM, ORIGINALLY I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY PATCHING.

HOWEVER, PATCHING COULD HAVE BEEN DONE VERY WELL.

UM, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF A, OF A CHAIN ATTACHMENT? NO, I HAVE NOT.

AND UM, YEAH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PATCHED.

UM, I ALSO DIDN'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING ELSE BEING ATTACHED, UM, THROUGH THE BRICK OR THROUGH THE MORTAR.

IS THAT IT? COMMISSIONER RENO? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

ALSO PERMISSION .

UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE EARHART'S HAD TO REBUILD THE CANOPY AT SOME POINT AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO IT, IN HER OPINION IN THE RIGHT WAY? SO THEY PUT IT TOGETHER KIND OF HAPHAZARDLY AND THAT MIGHT BE THE REASON THAT THE CANOPY ISN'T IN GOOD CONDITIONS TODAY AND HAS GOT IMITATE, HAS GOT PLYWOOD AND CAULK AND ALL KINDS OF PUT IN.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEY HAD REPAIRED IT BUT POORLY A FEW YEARS AGO? NO, I WAS UNAWARE AND I I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S RELEVANT TO OUR CURRENT SITUATION.

IF I MAY ADD, IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE YOUR ENTIRE CASE IS BUILT UPON THE CONDITION OF IT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FALLING OFF.

THE MATERIALS ARE, ARE EARLY TOGETHER.

I THINK IF IT WAS NOT BUILT BACK IN A, IN A, A GOOD WAY, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT THE, THE THING LOOKS LIKE IT DOES TODAY AND IS FALLING OFF.

UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. MASS.

SINCE YOU WERE A LONGTIME NEIGHBOR OF MS. EARHART, DID YOU EVER HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. EARHART ABOUT HER, UM, FRONT ENTRY THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT SHE FELT IT WAS ORIGINAL, WHETHER OR NOT SHE TRIED TO REPAIR IT? OR HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN SINCE YOU'VE BEEN LIVING NEXT DOOR, WHICH MY NOTES SAY 15 YEARS, HAS IT BEEN IN BAD CONDITION FOR 15 YEARS? CAN'T HEAR YOU.

SORRY.

OKAY.

SORRY.

I'M CHALLENGED WITH TECHNOLOGY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES.

YEAH, NO, WITH THE, THE, THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I HAVE LIVED THERE THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT REPAIRED AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY AND IT'S JUST GOTTEN WORSE OVER THE YEARS.

AND I WAS PRETTY AT ATTUNED.

WELL, AND, AND, AND I'VE NEVER, UM, I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR HARRIET, UM, WOULD NEVER POINT ANYTHING LIKE THAT OUT.

SHE WAS ALWAYS BUSY WITH OTHER THINGS IN THAT HOUSE.

OKAY.

SO YOUR TESTIMONY IS NO, YOU NEVER DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MS. MASS ABOUT HER ENTRY THERE? I MEAN, MS. EARHART, I'VE NEVER HAD DISCUSSION WITH HER ABOUT THAT.

NO.

OKAY.

YEAH, WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR HARRIET.

THANK YOU.

I I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, SHE CALLED ME ABOUT THIS.

MAY I ANSWER THE QUESTION? GO AHEAD, SIR.

YES.

I SPOKE TO MS. EARHART ABOUT THIS AND, AND SHE SAID OVER THE YEARS SHE HAD TRIED A NUMBER OF TIMES TO REHABILITATE IT, UM, UNSUCCESSFULLY.

SHE, SHE ALSO EXPRESSED THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW, UH, WHETHER IT WAS ORIGINAL, JUST LIKE WE DON'T, UH, NO.

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MADAM CHAIR, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS SOMEONE AT HOME ASKING TO ASK QUESTION? MADAM CHAIR? OH, COMMISSIONER OFFIT, GO AHEAD.

I, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.

I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

LET ME, LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE COMMISSIONER OFFICE MAKES A MOTION? OKAY, GO AHEAD, MR. UM, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF AND TEST TASK FORCE, UH, FOR THE AWNING AT 5 7 31 SWISS AVENUE.

SECOND.

OKAY.

UM, I BELIEVE OUR FIRST SECOND WAS FROM COMMISSIONER FALLACY.

UM, I WOULD ASK IF THE MAKER AND THE SECOND WOULD CONSIDER ADDING THE CONDITION THAT THE AWNING BE PAINTED.

A THE COLOR THAT MATCHES THE INTERIOR MULIAN COLOR OF THE WINDOWS, WHICH IS APPARENTLY DARK GREEN RATHER THAN BLACK, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

YES, I WOULD ACCEPT THAT.

AND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPE INDICATES SHE WILL AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT.

NOW IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE AND, UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION LARGELY BECAUSE I REMAIN UNCONVINCED THAT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL.

I ALSO REMAIN UNCONVINCED THAT IT CAN'T BE REPLICATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WOULD STILL RETAIN THIS ESSENTIALLY ITALIAN RENAISSANCE STYLE.

UM, AND, UM, ALSO FOR THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD THAT SAYS, UM, WE SHOULD AVOID THE USE OF CONJECTURE FEATURES.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

I ALSO WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT IT WAS REBUILT POORLY IN THE OPINION OF THE OWNER.

AND THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS IN THE CONDITION IT DOES WITH IMITATION MATERIALS.

ALSO, THE AWNING MATCHES THE, THE, UM, THE DORMERS PERFECTLY.

THERE ARE, UH, SIX DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF AWNINGS OR CANOPIES LIKE THIS, ONE OF WHICH IS NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THIS ON SWISS AVENUE, 55, 21 SWISS AVENUE.

I HA IT WAS SHOWN IN PHOTOGRAPHS IN 1960S, ABOUT 40 YEARS AFTER IT WAS BUILT.

I AM QUITE CONVINCED THAT IT'S ORIGINAL, THAT IT HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE 1960S.

AND PHOTOGRAPHS, I THINK WE'RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE IF WE REMOVE THIS TO ADD A FEATURE THAT IS CONJECTURE.

AS, UM, MS. SHERMAN MENTIONED, UM, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH.

THERE ARE 87 BUILDINGS ON SWISS AVENUE WITH COLUMNS.

THERE ARE FOUR CANOPIES THAT DO NOT HAVE COLUMNS THAT EITHER HAVE CHAINS OR BRACKETS.

SO WE'RE GOING WITH A FEATURE THAT IS VERY UNUSUAL TO THE DISTRICT.

UM, I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS IS A MISTAKE.

UH, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT IT WAS NOT THERE.

IT'S VERY, VERY SIMILAR, 55 21 SWISS AVENUE, UM, WHICH IS SORT OF A, A, A TWIN, UM, FEATURE TO THAT HOUSE.

SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY POINTS OF VIEW.

OH, COMMISSIONER REAU? YES.

UM, I AM GONNA BE SUPPORTING, UH, THE, THE MOTION AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR, UM, UH, HISTORIC EVIDENCE TO, UH, PROVE THE EXISTENCE OR NON-EXISTENCE OF THE, THE PORCH.

AND IN MY MIND, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE SUBMITTED JUST RECENTLY DO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT IT WAS NOT THERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL TIE BETWEEN THE PORCH ITSELF AND THE EXISTING HOME.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BRICK, THE STONE, ALL THE PIECES BEHIND IT ARE PRISTINE.

UM, AND THERE WAS NO STRUCTURAL CONNECTION.

THERE WAS NO FLASHING CONNECTION.

UH, NONE OF THAT IS VISIBLE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS.

UM, I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WITH A COMMENT? OKAY.

I, I MUST SAY I'M A BIT TORN ON THIS ONE.

UH, I THINK THAT THE EVIDENCE JUST CITED BY COMMISSIONER RENO IS SORT OF COMPELLING THAT THIS WAS ADDED ON AT SOME POINT.

IF IT WAS ADDED ON LONG ENOUGH AGO, IT MAY HAVE OBTAINED ITS OWN HISTORIC IMPORTANCE AND IT, AND IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE AGAINST THAT HOUSE.

BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE DON'T KNOW, I, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO RECREATE THE EXISTING ONE, WHICH THEY COULD PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE TO CRAFT SUCH A THING THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL SOLUTION.

BUT IF THEY REALLY DON'T WANNA DO THAT, I GUESS

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I'LL HAVE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT IS.

I WISH WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE ANSWER EXACTLY THAT WE WANTED CUZ NOT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD AGREE HAVE ONE THING.

SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

THOSE IN FAVOR SAY NAY.

NAY OPPOSED .

SORRY, IT'S NOT EVEN LATE YET.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE THREE OPPOSED TO THIS ME MEASURE.

OKAY.

IT HAS STILL PASSED.

OH, THE THREE ARE COMMISSIONERS, ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, AND COMMISSIONERS ONE.

SO IT IS CARRIED BY A MAJORITY AND, UH, WE WISH THE HOMEOWNERS WELL IN THEIR WORK.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, ELIZABETH.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT UP IS C 11.

OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

THIS IS DR.

RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS C 11 IS LOCATED AT 1103 EAST NINTH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.

THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 82 R D.

THE REQUEST ARE TO REPAIR AND REPLACE FRAGMENTED BRICKS AND REPOINT MORTAR JOINTS.

ON MAIN BUILDING, IT'S A CHURCH.

UH, THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO REPLACE EXISTING ROOFING SHINGLES WITH THREE TAB ASPHALT SHINGLES COLORED TO MATCH EXISTING.

WE HAVE TO DISCUSS, UH, THE THIRD REQUEST IS TO PAINT EXTERIOR TO MATCH EXISTING COLOR.

SHERWIN WILLIAMS, S W 7 0 0 6 EXTRA WHITE.

THE FOURTH REQUEST IS TO REPAIR EXTERIOR CONCRETE WALKWAYS, PORCH AND STEPS.

AND THEN THE FIFTH REQUEST IS TO REPAIR AND REPLACE DETERIORATED WOOD ON SOFFIT AND BAY SHIP STAFF.

RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, FOR REQUEST NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR REQUEST.

NUMBER TWO, RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE FOR REQUEST NUMBER THREE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.

AND FOR REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AGAIN TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.

OKAY.

SO IT IS TIME TO GO WITH ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR STAFF THAT, THAT, THAT COMMISSIONER MIGHT HAVE MR. RESPOND.

OKAY.

YES.

WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT UP A, UH, SATELLITE VIEW OF JUST FOR YOU COMMISSION? BEG I PARDON? JUST FOR YOU COMMISSION.

OKAY, GREAT.

GREAT.

PERFECT.

AND IF WE COULD JUST KIND OF ZOOM IN SO WE CAN MAKE A COMPARISON IN THE QUEUE OF THE ROOFS, UH, OF THE ADJACENT, YOU SAY THE HOUSE IS ON EITHER SIDE.

OKAY.

SO THIS IN THE MIDDLE IS 1103 EAST NINTH STREET.

OKAY.

I CAN SEE THE GREEN QUEUE.

THIS IS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.

MM-HMM.

TO THE OKAY.

WORKS ON MY LEFT .

AND THIS, THIS IS AN EMPTY LOT NEXT DOOR TO IT.

OKAY.

AND THEN WE SEE, UH, IN, UH, MS. BRIAN'S HOUSE, UH, THE TWO-STORY HOUSE WE SEE LOOKS LIKE A NEUTRAL GRAY TO ME, KIND OF A MEDIUM NEUTRAL GRAY.

UH, YEAH, I, I'D AGREE.

SO IF I WERE DESCRIBING THESE, I'D SAY THAT ON THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT WE HAVE A WARM GRAY, A LITTLE BIT OF BROWN, AND THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE WE HAVE A GREEN HUE.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER HOUSE WE HAVE MORE OF A NEUTRAL GRAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

BECAUSE ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS ESTABLISH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE EXISTING COLOR IS A MUTED HUE OF GREEN.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, ALRIGHT.

I THINK I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONERS LAW.

OKAY.

UH, IN MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH 2 82 RD, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1103 EAST NINTH STREET, UH, I MOVE THAT, UM, ON NUMBER ONE.

UH, WE APPROVE WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE BRICK MATCH IN COLOR AS STIPULATED, UH, UNDER PART D OF STRUCTURES UNDER PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE.

THAT ONE MOMENT.

ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, WE APPROVE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF SHINGLES IN THE EXISTING COLOR WITH THE FINDING FACT THAT THE EXISTING COLOR IS A HUB OF GREEN OR, UH,

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UH, EQUALLY APPROPRIATE, UH, A SHADE OF BROWN OR NEUTRAL GRAY, UM, THE HUE, IF ANY, TO FALL WITHIN ZERO TO STEP FOUR ON THE CHROMA SCALE ON THE MUN CELL CHROMA SCALE AS STIPULATED IN EXHIBIT E OF THE 10TH STREET ORDINANCE.

AND THE, UM, VALUE, ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOTHING SPECIFIED FOR ROOFS, THAT THE VALUE BE A STEP THREE OR ABOVE IN AS MUCH AS THE MUNSELL, UH, UH, RANGE STIPULATED FOR 10TH STREET, UH, DOES NOT ADMIT ANYTHING LOWER THAN A THREE IN VALUE.

AND IT STIPULATES THAT WHERE NEUTRAL GRAYS ARE PERMITTED, THEY MUST FALL WITHIN THE RANGES, UH, STIPULATED BY THE ORDINANCE, WHICH REALLY ACTUALLY DISALLOWS BLACK FOR ANY PART OF A 10TH STREET HOUSE, ALTHOUGH ABSOLUTE WHITE IS ACCEPTABLE.

OKAY.

ON NUMBER FOUR, UH, HANG ON.

OH, OKAY.

NUMBER THREE I, UH, THAT WE APPROVE ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

NUMBER FOUR, UM, A MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL STEPS, INCLUDING THOSE OF THE SIDE ENTRANCES, BE OF BRUSHED FINISHED CONCRETE, NOT CONCRETE, UH, MASONRY UNITS.

OKAY.

NUMBER FIVE, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

SECOND.

SECOND.

OKAY.

WE HAVE TWO SECONDS.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER RENO WILL BE THE SECOND ON THAT.

UM, SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, MR. MC, IN REGARDS TO NUMBER, UM, ONE ON THE BRICKS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED IN TERMS OF THE PICTURES? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE APPLICANT CAN ABIDE BY THAT BECAUSE IT LOOKS AS THOUGH ALL THE, ALL THE BRICKS ARE PAINTED.

SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT IT TO MATCH, WHAT IS THE APPLICANT SUPPOSED TO MATCH? THE, THE, THE NATIVE BRICK UNDER THE PAINT.

SO YOUR MOTION WOULD BE REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO REMOVE THE PAINT IN ORDER TO MATCH IT AND THEN THE APPLICANTS ALLOWED TO PAINT IT AGAIN? YES.

JUST TO REMOVE ENOUGH OF THE PAINT.

BECAUSE WHILE OUR, OUR ORDINANCE DOES PERMIT MM-HMM.

PAINTED BRICK WHERE IT'S HISTORICALLY PAINTED, WHEN IT TALKS ABOUT REPLACEMENT BRICK, IT DOES NOT MAKE AN EXCEPTION FOR BRICK THAT IS CURRENTLY PAINTED.

IT SAYS BRICK MUST MATCH IN COLOR MODULE TEXTURE, ET CETERA.

YEAH, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION, UM, FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT THAT I CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN ONEROUS BURDEN FOR YOU, THE APPLICANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UM, REMOVING THE PAINT TO ATTEMPT TO, TO, TO MATCH IT WHEN THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO ALLOW THEM TO, TO PAINT IT.

SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S MY REASON BEHIND THAT.

NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF THEM.

OKAY.

BUT LET ME ADD THAT, THAT THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, CASES WHERE YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO REMOVE PAINT BECAUSE WHERE YOU HAVE LOOSE BRICKS, YOU HAVE SURFACES OF BRICK THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAINTED.

UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BACKSIDES BEEN PAINTED, BUT EVEN IF YOU DO HAVE TO REMOVE ONE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REMOVE AN UP PAINT ON ONE BRICK TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ORIGINAL BRICK COLOR IS.

YEAH.

SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S ONEROUS.

UH, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF BRICK AND IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF PAINT THAT WOULD'VE TO BE REMOVED.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S, I'M REALLY TRYING TO LOOK TOWARD THE, UH, TOWARD A POSSIBLE FUTURE WHERE THE BRICK IS COULD BE UNPAINTED.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SWAN? I WOULD AGREE THAT MOST LIKELY IF YOU PULL A BRICK OUT THE BACK OF IT WILL BE THE ORIGINAL COLOR, BUT, UM, IT COULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MATCH THAT.

UH, SO JUST SOMETHING FAIRLY COMPATIBLE.

UM, I SEE YOU WANNA SET IT UP SO THE FUTURE WOULD BE EASIER, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE FUTURE APPLICANT'S PROBLEM, IF THEY WANNA TAKE THE, THE PAINT OFF THAT, THEN THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WOULD SPECIFY THAT ALL BRICKS MUST BE THE SAME.

ANY SUBSTITUTED BRICKS THAT DON'T MATCH SHOULD BE REMOVED.

WELL, IN THIS CASE, I'M FOLLOWING OUR ORDINANCE.

OKAY.

AND OUR ORDINANCE IS VERY SPARE ABOUT IT.

WHAT, WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT MANY THINGS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S SPECIFIC AND IT DOES NOT MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR PAINTED BRAVE.

OKAY.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST POINTING OUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY LEANING HEAVY TOWARDS THE OTHER WAY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AND IT, IT DOES SAY THINK OF THE FUTURE, BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T WANNA BURDEN OF ORDINANCE WITH THE FUTURE.

I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE ORDINANCE ALSO SAYS BRICKS SHALL NOT BE PAINTED.

YEAH.

AND, AND ONLY MAKES EXCEPTIONS WHERE WE CAN PROVE THAT UH, IT WAS HISTORICALLY PAINTED.

ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MOTION OR ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THE MOTION? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

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ANY OPPOSE THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER SPY IS OPPOSED.

ALL RIGHT.

THE PLAINTIFF HAS COMMISSIONER NOOSA OPPOSED ALSO.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE YOU THERE IN THE LITTLE TINY SQUARE AT THE TOP.

SO, WELL, I SEE YOU'RE SMILING.

I CAN SEE THAT.

BUT, UM, OKAY.

SO WE HAD TWO OPPOSITIONS, BUT THEY STILL CARRY AND, UH, THE STAFF WILL WORK WITH THEM TO FOLLOW THE, UM, AMENDMENTS THAT WE MADE TO THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT WE HAVE C 13.

AND THAT IS THE ONE THAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MUST, I MEAN, YEAH.

COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MUST RECORD HERSELF ON, SO SHE IS LEAVING THE ROOM.

OKAY.

CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF, THIS IS CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 13 1700 WEST 10TH STREET, WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 2 7 0 CM.

THERE ARE TWO REQUESTS.

REQUEST NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOFING SHINGLES ON MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, WITH BRAND TEMP, CO HERITAGE SE SERIES SHINGLES, COLOR, RUSTIC BLACK.

AND NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE APPROVED POLE MONUMENT SIGNAGE TO NEW SIGN DESIGN.

UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO APPROVE BOTH ONE AND TWO TASK FORCE, UH, NO QUORUM.

HOWEVER, TASK FORCE IS IN FAVOR OF SHING SHINGLE COLOR CHANGE AND SIGN.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS CHAD DOLEZAL.

DO WE HAVE THAT SPEAKER ONLINE OR HE SHOULD BE THERE.

I LITERALLY WAS JUST EMAILING WITH HIM NOT SAYING IT YET.

OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, SIR.

HER AFTERNOON.

HI.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

WAS WELCOME BACK LOOKING FOR THE VIDEO BUTTON TO POP UP.

THAT'S OKAY.

THESE THINGS HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, WE START THIS WITH STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

UH, MY NAME IS CHAD DOZA.

I LIVE AT 1 0 1 SOUTH WINNETKA AVENUE.

AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.

OKAY.

UM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WISH TO TELL US AND THEN WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

UH, I WANTED TO START, I'LL START WITH THE SHINGLES.

CAUSE I LISTENED TO THE BRIEFING EARLIER AND I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S POINT AND I REALIZED THAT THE SHINGLES ARE NAMED NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE.

UH, WE DIDN'T, WE DID NOT WANT A BLACK SHINGLE.

UH, WE PURPOSELY WENT FOR A GRAY SHINGLE AND NOT REALLY THINKING THAT THE NAME RUSS BLACK WOULD OBVIOUSLY LEAD TO THAT.

I TOOK ANOTHER PHOTO OF THEM OUTSIDE SO THAT Y'ALL COULD SEE THAT THEY ARE GRAY, GRAY IN NATURE.

AND LET ME SEE.

I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN IF I CAN.

I, AND LET ME JUST INTERJECT THAT JOANNA HAMPTON, OUR LIAISON FROM THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HAS JOINED US.

OKAY.

AND LET ME KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN SEE MY SCREEN.

NOT YET.

NOT YET.

ALRIGHT, LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN.

ARE Y'ALL BY ANY CHANCE LOOKING AT SHINGLES OR, THERE YOU GO.

NOT YET.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A BLANK SPACE.

SO YOU'RE GETTING CLOSER.

GREAT.

.

OKAY.

THERE THEY ARE.

THERE THEY ARE.

OKAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

GOOD COMPUTER.

UM, SO YEAH, I TOOK A PHOTO AFTER THE, AFTER THE BRIEFING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE CUZ OBVIOUSLY I I, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD WHERE Y'ALL WERE COMING FROM, OR, UH, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON THAT RUN UP THE POINT.

UM, WE DID, I MEAN, WE AGREED WITH HIM.

I, I'M, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY FROM THIS MORNING, HE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, GRAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEIR HOUSE OF GRAY SHINGLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, THAT'S MORE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO MIMIC HERE.

NOT, NOT BLACK.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CALL THIS RUSTIC BLACK, BUT WE WERE GOING BY, WE PICKED OUT A SHINGLE BY THE COLOR, NOT BY THE NAME.

UM, SO I JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT BETTER CONTEXT TO YOU ALL ABOUT WHY WE CHOSE THIS AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE.

UM, AND THE SIGN, UM, IT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

UH, WE WANTED TO JUST MIMIC THE KIND OF LOOK AS MUCH AS WE COULD WITHOUT DIRECTLY STEALING IT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT AVAILABLE FOR US TO BE SUED BY MOBILE, BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF JUST MIMIC THAT SIGN WAS THE ONLY THING WE'RE GOING FOR THERE.

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UM, AND THAT'S IT.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND THAT SHINGLES CERTAINLY HELP CLEAR UP SOME OF OUR CONFUSION.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? AND IF YOU DON'T, DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.

GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER RENAU, UM, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, CA 2 23 DASH 27, UH, CM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1700 WEST 10TH STREET, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW, UM, STAFF'S, UH, UH, DIRECTION AND APPROVE AS STATED.

SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER OSA, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A COMMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO APPLAUD THE, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, UH, TRYING TO MAKE THE SIGN AS, AS, UH, RELEVANT AS POSSIBLE.

UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY NICE ADDITION.

COOL.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

IT IS A VERY NICE SIGN AND I BET MOBILE WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN NOTICED IF YOU JUST GOT .

WE JUST, WE JUST GOT LITTLE NERVOUS TO GET TOO CLOSE.

, THEY'RE ON BY EXXON NOW.

YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT MOSES .

YEAH, THAT'S FAIR.

YEAH, FAIR POINT.

OKAY.

SHALL WE GO AHEAD WITH OUR VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? UH, APPEARS TO HAVE CARRIE UNANIMOUSLY.

GOOD LUCK, SIR, WITH YOUR WORK.

THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

BYE-BYE.

UH, WE CAN ASK COMMISSIONER SHERMAN TO RETURN AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE, WHICH SHOULD BE D 18.

OKAY.

WHICH IS AN INITIATION.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

DR.

RHONDA DUNN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING D 18.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 700 PAULA AVENUE.

IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS THE RAY WORTH WILLIAMS HOUSE.

THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER EXPANDING THE EXISTING GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY TO INCORPORATE 700 PAULIS AVENUE.

AND WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.

THE FIRST IS RENEE SCHMIDT.

SCHMIDT.

SORRY, SPEAKER.

OKAY.

YOU HAD ME CONFUSED FOR A MOMENT.

I'VE KNOWN THE MAN FOR 15 YEARS AND SUDDENLY HE CHANGED.

SO, UM, ARE, ARE YOU NOEL ATON? YES.

ALL RIGHT, THEN YOU GO AHEAD.

JUST GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

YEAH, HE CAN JUST GO AFTER YOU.

WE'LL HAVE YOU GO FIRST.

HE'LL COME BACK.

SPEAK A WHILE.

.

OH.

NAME AND ADDRESS.

OKAY.

AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH.

AND GO AHEAD SIR.

IT IS NOW.

OKAY.

HI, UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS NOEL AK AND I'M AT 61 11 WORK STREET.

AND, UM, I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.

UM, THIS IS, I LIVE WITHIN JUNIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I'M CURRENTLY THE BOARD PRESIDENT AND HAVE BEEN SERVING ON THE BOARD FOR THE LAST, UH, TWO YEARS.

UM, THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO INCLUDE, UM, 700 PAULA STREET INTO JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS, UM, MR. SLOCUM'S RESIDENCE.

BILLY SLUM IS BACK HERE.

UM, IN SUPPORT OF THIS, OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, MR. SLUM HAS BECOME A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE THROUGH THIS EFFORT TO PRESERVE 700 PAUL AND NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED FOR HAVING THE VISION AND DETERMINATION TO PROTECT HIS UNIQUE AND ARCH ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE.

UM, THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT DAVID WILLIAMS, KNOWN AS THE FATHER OF TEXAS REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND CONSTRUCTED IN 1926.

THE DESIGN IS A UNIQUE MEDITERRANEAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH FEATURES THAT WOULD COMMONLY BE INCORPORATED INTO DAVID WILLIAMS'S LATER TEXAS REGIONAL WORK.

WE BELIEVE THAT LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 700 POLISH IS AN IMPORTANT STEP IN PRESERVING SUCH A WONDERFUL PIECE OF DALLAS'S RICH HISTORY INCLUSION TWO JUNIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT WILL GIVE THE PROPERTY ADDITIONAL PROTECTION WITHIN A COMMUNITY OF LIKE-MINDED RESIDENTS WHO VALUE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND

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ACTIVELY WORK TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL.

YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER IS GREATLY APPRECIATED AND WE HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT THIS STEP TOWARDS INCLUDING 700 PAULA AND TWO JU HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.

I AM SUPPO IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND I SEE THAT MR. RENEE SCHMIDT HAS RETURNED.

HELLO.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

I'M RENEE SCHMIDT, SEVEN 15 PARK LOT AVENUE IN DALLAS.

AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE TRUTH? YES.

UH, WE DON'T NEED THE ENTIRE TRUTH.

, GO AHEAD.

MY NAME IS RENEE SCHMIDT, SEVEN 15 PARK IN DALLAS.

I'M CURRENTLY CHAIR OF THE HISTORICAL ZONING COMMITTEE OF JULIUS HEIGHTS IN I'M A PAST PRESIDENT OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS AND LED THE COMMUNITY EFFORT THAT LED TO THE CREATION OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT BACK IN 2006.

BACK THEN, WE WERE APPROACHING 70% OF THE HOMES IN JUNIOR HEIGHTS THAT SIGNED THE PETITIONS THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF CREATION OF THE DISTRICT.

PAUL AT THAT TIME, WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IT WAS OWN COMMERCIAL WITH AROUND 750 HOMES SPREAD OVER A HUNDRED FIVE, A HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE ACRES.

WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF CREATING THE LARGEST LANDMARK DISTRICT IN DALLAS.

OUR ARMY OF VOLUNTEERS REMAINED FOCUSED, BUT IT WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING AND UNFORTUNATELY, 700 PAULS GOT LEFT OUT.

BILLY SLOGAN MOVED IN ABOUT THE TIME THE DISTRICT WAS FORMED AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIS HOUSE INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT.

BOTH THE HISTORIC ZONING COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD ENTHUSIASTICALLY HAVE SUPPORTED THIS.

IT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE 700 PAULSON TO THE DISTRICT.

IT IS ADJACENT TO THE LAKEWOOD LIBRARY, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT BY, IN INCLUDING IN THE DISTRICT.

IT WOULD HELP FRAME THE EASTERN ENTRANCE TO JUNIORS HEIGHTS.

THE HOUSE IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

IT IS BUILT IN 1926 AND DESIGNED BY DAVID WILLIAMS, THE FATHER OF TEXAS REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE, WILLIAMS WAS DEVELOPING AN INDIGENOUS REGIONAL STYLE IN THIS HOUSE SHOWS MANY OF HIS AESTHETIC ASPIRATIONS.

IT HAS A UNIQUE MEDITERRANEAN, MEDITERRANEAN STYLE WITH A TEXAS FLAIR.

WILLIAMS WAS THE LEADING PROPONENT OF TEXAS REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE DURING THE 1920S AND THE 1930S.

TO QUOTE MURIEL MCCARTHY WHO WROTE THE DEFINITIVE BOOK ON WILLIAMS. THIS HOUSE BOTH DOES REPRESENT THE APPLICATION OF CERTAIN IDEAS, WHICH LATER CULMINATED IN A REGIONAL STYLE, IS ORIENTATION TO THE SITE, THE USE OF APPROPRIATE BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE AREA AND ITS ADAPTATION TO THE CLIMATE ALL MARKET AS ONE OF ITS EARLIEST ATTEMPTS TO ADAPT A HOUSE TO ITS LOCA LOCATION.

I'M SORRY, I'M STILL RUNNING OUT OF AIR FROM PUTTING IN COINS IN THE PARKING METER.

, UH, DAVID WILLIAMS BROTHER, DR.

ROTH RAWORTH, A WELL-KNOWN DALLAS PHYSICIAN, WAS THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE HOUSE AND LIVED THERE FOR MANY YEARS.

THE INTERIOR, THANKS TO BILLY IS REMARKABLY PRESERVED AND BILLY SPOKEN THIS YEAR.

HE'S ALSO AN INCREDIBLE ARTIST AND HIS HOME IS FILLED WITH HIS ARTWORK.

WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON AN APPLICATION FOR JUNIORS HEIGHTS TO BE PLACED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

BILLY'S HOUSE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL LISTING AND WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO OUR DISTRICT, THE COMMUNITY OF JUNIORS HEIGHTS.

AND BILLY SILICON WOULD DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO INCLUDE HIS HOME INTO THE GOVERNING ORDINANCE OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS.

EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.

2 6 3 31.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MR. SCHMIDT.

UH, DID WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER? IS MS. QUIMBY STILL HERE? OKAY, WELL PEOPLE HAVE TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

ARE THERE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OR ARE SOMEONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? NO.

ONE QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MIGHT BE IMMATERIAL.

IT MIGHT BE A MINOR DETAIL.

I'M READING THROUGH, UM, SECTION 51 A WHEN IT COMES TO AMENDING IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WHEN THAT WAS DONE ONCE BEFORE ANYTHING GO.

WELL, WEREN'T THOSE RULES REVISED THEN? IS IT NOT TAKE MORE THAN ONE? UM, THE, THE, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REVISION OF THE RULES THAT RESULTED FROM A DIFFICULTY WITH ATTEMPTING TO, UM, BRING SOMEONE INTO A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE OWNER DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.

UHHUH IN THIS CASE, THE OWNER DOES WANT TO DO IT VERY, I ADMIT, I WAS GONNA SAY, AREN'T YOU GONNA MAKE A MOTION? YES, I MOVED TO APPROVE, UH, THE, UH, INITIATION OF, UH, AMENDING, UM, THE DEAN HISTORIC DISTRICT TO IMPROVE THE

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SUBJECT PROPERTY.

SECOND.

THANK YOU.

WELL, EVERYBODY SECONDED THAT ONE.

WHY DON'T YOU PICK BE THE ONE MITCHELL LIVINGSTON.

DID YOU SECOND IT? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON SECONDED THIS.

HE WAS FIRST, OF COURSE, HE WAS.

UM, UH, AND, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENT WE NEED TO MAKE BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT.

CALLING FOR A VOTE.

ALL IS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.

PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.

CONGRATULATIONS, SIR.

I KNOW THIS TOOK A LITTLE WHILE, BUT, UM, WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS HOUSE GIVEN PROTECTION.

IT'S A WONDERFUL HOUSE.

OKAY, NEXT UP WILL BE D ONE.

OKAY.

DR.

RONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF ON DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1300 SOUTH IRVE STREET, UH, THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL.

THE CASE NUMBER IS, UH, THE FORMER AMBASSADOR HOTEL.

THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 83 R D.

THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A MAIN MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNIT WITH ACCESSORY PARKING STRUCTURE ON, ON THE SITE OF THE FORMER AMBASSADOR HOTEL CONSISTING OF THREE BUILDINGS TOTAL WITH FOUR LEVELS OF PARKING.

TWO UNDERGROUND.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE.

LET'S SEE HOW MANY, UH, WELL, FIRST I HAVE WILL MITCHELL, DO YOU MIND IF I, I GO FIRST? THAT, THAT THAT'S FINE.

YEAH, I JUST, UM, YEAH.

CAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE.

SO THEY PUT ME UP FIRST AND WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE, THE ARCHITECT.

OKAY.

DO YOU REMEMBER YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YEAH, I DO REMEMBER MY NAME AND ADDRESS.

UH, ROB BALDWIN, 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B I'M HERE REPRESENTING O H T PARTNERS WHO HAVE THE, THE OLD AMBASSADOR SITE UNDER CONTRACT OR THEY OWN IT AND WANNA BUILD ON IT.

OKAY.

AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'RE TELLING US NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

OKAY.

YOU GET THREE MINUTES.

OKAY.

THIS IS AN ODD ONE.

UH, SEVERAL OF Y'ALL WERE ON THE COMMISSION WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE Y'ALL LAST YEAR BEFORE WE WENT TO CITY PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL.

KIND OF WONDERING WHY WE'RE AMENDING, UH, A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR A BUILDING THAT WAS NO LONGER THERE.

UM, WE DID THAT.

UM, IT DID CAUSE SOME CONFUSION, SOME, SOME DISCUSSION.

AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, UH, MY CLIENT RECOGNIZES AS AN IMPORTANT SITE AND WAS WILLING TO PUT ADDITIONAL, UH, REGULATIONS ON HIMSELF TO RECOGNIZE THE AMBASSADOR PROPERTY AS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BOTH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE THE CEDARS.

UH, SO RATHER THAN FIGHT THE RE THE REMOVAL OF THE, UH, H OVERLAY WHEN THE AMBASSADOR WAS DESTROYED, THEY, MY CLIENT AGREED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

NOT ONLY DO TO WORK WITH THE, THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THE CEDARS, BUT ALSO WITH THE OLD CITY PARK FOLKS AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, UH, WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO WORK UP WITH THESE REGULATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SITE THAT REVISED AGE 20.

UM, THESE WERE REASONABLE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE LAND TO BE REDEVELOPED UNDER THE UNDERLYING ZONING, BUT WOULD GIVE HOMAGE TO THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL.

THE, THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WENT BACK ON THE SITE MADE A NOD TO THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE IN THE VICINITY.

IN ADDITION, THE DOCTOR TO OVERLAY DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THE INTENT OF THIS OVERLAY IS TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, BUT NOT REPLICATE IT.

SO THE GOAL WAS NOT TO PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, BUT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THIS AS AN IMPORTANT SITE.

AND THERE WERE SOME ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS WE SHOULD GO WITH THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE INTENDED TO INFLUENCE DESIGN OF THE EXTERIOR, THE MAIN OR THE JEWEL BOX, BUILDING IT'S FOOTPRINT AND ORIENTATION TO THE CEDARS.

THE ORDINANCE FURTHER GOES TO STATE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT HAVE TO MATCH THE COLORS BUILDING FORM OF MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.

AND THAT, AND I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THE DESIGN TEAM HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF CRAFTING A PROJECT THAT FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WELL, COMPLYING WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

I HOPE THAT YOU'LL AGREE THAT THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS THOUGHTFUL, INTENTIONAL, AND KEEPING WITH THE AMENDED PRESERVATION CRITERIA.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE CELEBRATING AN AMBASSADOR.

WE'RE NOT RECREATING IT AND WITHOUT LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO, TO WILL THE ARCHITECT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

AND, YOU KNOW, STICK AROUND FOR QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

UM, MR. MITCHELL? YES, WILL MITCHELL, 28 21 LOVERS LANE.

CAN I BE MADE PRESENTER ON THE WEBEX PLEASE? UH, SOMEONE IS WORKING ON THAT.

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UH, I AM WILL MITCHELL ON THE WEBEX AND IT LOOKS LIKE I CAN SHARE.

THANK YOU.

OH, AND I NEED TO ASK YOU TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH.

I DO.

I ASK THAT IF PEOPLE IN GROCERY STORES EVERYTHING, IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL.

OKAY.

SO CAN EVERYBODY SEE AN ELEVATION EXHIBIT? OKAY.

CAN ALL THOSE AT HOME SEE IT? OKAY, GOOD.

OKAY, FORGIVE ME FOR SITTING, BUT I'M GONNA DRIVE ON THE COMPUTER HERE.

SO COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TODAY.

I'M WITH CORGAN.

WE ARE THE ARCHITECTS AND THE AMBASSADOR PROJECT.

WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE WORKING ON THIS SITE.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, SOME CLARIFICATIONS, UH, SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, IN THE BRIEFING TODAY IN, IN OUR REVIEW PROCESS WITH CITY STAFF AND THE TASK FORCE, AND ALSO PRESENT A DESIGN MODIFICATION WE'VE MADE AS A RESULT.

SO I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN THERE.

FIRST, THERE WERE REFERENCES IN THE COMMENTS TO A PORTION OF THE OVERLAY THAT REQUIRES THE BASE EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDING TO BE BETWEEN 10 AND 25 FEET IN HEIGHT.

UM, AS I'LL SHOW YOU HERE, UH, OUR SUBMITTED DESIGN HAD A TWO-STORY ENTRY FEATURE THAT WAS SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT 25 FOOT HEIGHT.

YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE, IN THE CENTER OF THIS IMAGE ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE JEWEL BUILDING.

UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS, WE HAVE LOWERED THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO APPROXIMATELY 17 FOOT SIX AND STRUCK A LINE AROUND THE JEWEL BUILDING TO CREATE THE BASE EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDING.

NEXT, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT WE COMPLY WITH THIS CONCEPT DIAGRAM YOU SEE ON THE LEFT THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE BRIEFING TODAY.

UM, WE SHOW HERE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE'VE SHOWN SOME DIMENSIONS.

BLUE, OUR WINDOW, ROUGH OPENINGS, RED, OUR PIE LASTERS.

SO WE'RE SHOWING HERE THAT WE'RE ALTERNATING BETWEEN BASICALLY AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, ROUGH OPENING FOR THE BALCONIES AND A SIX FOOT OPENING FOR SOME OF THE WINDOWS, AND ALSO ALTERNATING OUR PILASTER WIDTHS.

UM, WE JUST WANTED TO, TO AFFIRM HERE THAT OUR GOAL WAS TO NOT TO IMITATE, NOT TO RECREATE THE AMBASSADOR, BUT REALLY TO PAY HOMAGE TO IT AS HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE'RE ALSO CHANGING PLANE IN THE FACADE, UM, BETWEEN THE SORT OF FLANKING ELEMENTS AND THE CENTER COMPONENT.

NEXT, I WANTED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ON THE VISIBILITY OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF.

SO WE'VE CREATED TWO SECTIONS HERE THAT SHOW THE SIGHT LINES FROM ACROSS IVE STREET AND INDICATE THAT THE CONDENSERS, WHICH SIT ON THE ROOFTOP ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THAT PEDESTRIAN VANTAGE POINT AS REQUIRED BY THE OVERLAY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.

SO THIS IS ONE THROUGH THAT FIVE STORY JEWEL BUILDING.

AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER THROUGH THE SEVEN STORY BUILDING.

SORRY, I'M GOING KIND OF QUICK HERE.

WE CAN COME BACK TO THESE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GLAZING.

WE JUST WANTED TO AFFIRM THAT WE HAVE LOW NON-REFLECTIVE GLAZING OF REFLECTIVITY OF 11%.

THERE WERE COMMENTS TO TINTED GLASS.

WE DO NOT HAVE TINTED GLASS.

I THINK THE CONNECTOR JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN SHADOW IN SOME OF THOSE RENDERINGS.

SO WE HAVE STANDARD, UM, HIGH QUALITY, LOW E RESIDENTIAL GLASS ON THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND MENTION THAT WE HAVE ENTRANCES TO UNITS ALL ALONG SOUTH ST.

PAUL STREET ADDRESSING, UM, THAT SIDE OF OLD CITY PARK.

WE ALSO HAVE A PARK-LIKE LANDSCAPE ELEMENT ON THE CORNER WITH ENHANCED PAVING.

EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME CHAIR GUEST COMMISSIONER.

UM, I'LL MOVE TO, UM, GIVE THE SPEAKER ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? STILL MOVE SECOND.

GONNA FIGHT IT OUT IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER GUEST GETS A SECOND.

THAT ONE.

ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

YOU HAVE TWO MORE MINUTES.

OH, BOY.

THANK YOU.

.

WE WERE BEING NICE.

I KNOW THAT'S HONEST.

YOU VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

JUST TO FINISH THAT THOUGHT, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT CONNECTION TO OLD CITY PARK.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS A FEATURE HERE ON THE, UH, WHERE ST.

PAUL INTERSECTS WITH IVE, WHERE THERE'S ENHANCED PAVING AND SEATING.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A MOMENT TO PRESERVE, UH, A REALLY NICE AREA AND A CONNECTION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

AND THEN THERE'S THIS ELEMENT ON THE JEWEL THAT WAS INSPIRED BY THE ORIGINAL PARK HOTEL THAT HAD THIS SORT OF, UH, SEMI EXTERIOR PORCH ELEMENT ON IT.

AND WE THOUGHT THAT COULD BE A REALLY COOL AMENITY FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND ALSO ADDRESSES, UH, THAT SIMILAR, UH, FACE OF THE, OF THE OLD CITY PARK.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS

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FOR OUR APPLICANTS.

I HAVE COMMISSIONER REAU.

YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UM, I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.

I, I THINK MR. BALDWIN HAD MENTIONED, UM, THAT MASSING WAS NOT INCLUDED IN, UM, ONE OF THE DIFFERENT, OR RATHER ONE OF THE, UM, FACTORS IN, IN MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE NEW BUILDING WAS, UH, PAYING ENOUGH HOMAGE TO THE EXISTING HOTEL, UH, MASSING.

AND THEN I THOUGHT I HAD ALSO HEARD, UM, ABOUT BUILDING FOOTPRINT.

COULD YOU CLARIFY THOSE, UH, MR. BALDWIN OR, OR, UH, UH, OR THE ARCHITECT FROM CORGAN? I APOLOGIZE.

I'M MR. NO WILL MITCHELL.

THANK YOU.

UM, RIGHT, SO IN THE OVERLAY, IT STIPULATES THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT HAVE TO MATCH COLORS, BUILDING FORM OR MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.

UM, SO WHILE WE DID CITE THE JEWEL BOX GENERALLY WHERE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE AMBASSADOR WAS, WE DID SORT OF INVERT THAT CHANGE IN PLANE.

WE BROUGHT THE, THE ENTRANCE FORWARD AND, AND, UM, SORT OF RECESSED THE FLANKS OF THE BUILDING.

IS THAT THIS OVERLAY PROJECT? NOT ON ALL OF IT.

THE BIG THING TRYING TO GET THE MADAM CHAIR.

YES.

COMMISSIONER OFFIT.

I'M SORRY.

I COULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE COULD, I COULD ONLY HEAR ABOUT EVERY FOURTH WORD OF WHOEVER WAS JUST TALKING.

OKAY.

THAT, THAT MICROPHONE WE WERE JUST USING.

OKAY, LET'S CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON MR. OFFIT.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? SO WHAT I WAS SAYING, I APOLOGIZE.

UH, THE INTENT, UH, TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, OVERLAY ONLY TAKES CARE ADDRESSES ABOUT A THIRD OF THE SITE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A THIRD OF THE SITE, AND THE REST IS JUST, UH, THE STRAIGHT ZONING.

AND THEN ONE OF THE BIG THRUSTS OF THE, THE ORDINANCE WAS THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING THAT'S TAKEN THE PLACE OR THE, ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL AMBASSADOR HOTEL.

AND THAT'S, I THINK THE, UH, THE ARCHITECTS HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

MR. RENO, DID YOU HAVE FURTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION? YOU'RE SATISFIED THAT, OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? MADAM CHAIR? UH, YES, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER.

OH, HAMPTON.

THERE YOU'RE, THANK YOU.

UM, EITHER FOR MR. MITCHELL OR, OR MR. BALDWIN, UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE ORDINANCE CONDITIONS, UM, INCLUDE AN EXHIBIT AND STATE THAT IF THE MASSING, UM, IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT EXHIBIT THAT IS CONSIDERED YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.

UH, IT IS THERE, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE INTENT OF EXHIBIT E ACTUALLY SAYING