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[Landmark Commission Meeting on April 3, 2023.]
AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.UM, I'M THE CHAIR, EVELYN MONTGOMERY.
UH, COMMISSIONER COURTNEY SP IS OUR VICE CHAIR, AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE.
SO WE BEGIN BY ASKING ELAINE TO PLEASE DO A ROLL CALL OF THE PRESENT COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS HERE TO DISCUSS THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM LAST TIME? NEVER ARE.
UH, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO THE MINUTES APPROVAL UNLESS SOMEONE HAS, UM, IF, IF, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A CORRECTION TO MAKE TO THE MINUTES, COULD SOMEONE PLEASE MOVE TO, UM, ACCEPT THE MINUTES? WELL, WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BELVIN AND WE'LL SAY COMMISSIONER SWAN SECONDING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THAT HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY AND WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT.
UH, THE NEXT THING BEFORE WE, UH, REORDER OUR SCHEDULE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH, I WANT TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE HAVE A VERY FULL AGENDA TODAY.
SO WE MUST STRICTLY ADHERE TO OUR, UM, OFFICIAL PRACTICES, WHICH WE SOMETIMES HEAR FROM WHERE ON EACH, EACH PARTICULAR ITEM.
EACH PERSON CAN SPEAK ONLY TWICE, AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THREE MINUTES.
AND I HAVE FIVE OF ASK AN ATTORNEY AND DO YOU GET THE ANSWER YOU NEED? UH, ELAINE HAS AGREED TO SET HER LITTLE BEEPING TIMER FOR US BECAUSE IT'S NICE AND SUBTLE AND IT WILL REMIND YOU WHEN YOU HAVE SPOKEN FIVE MINUTES.
THAT SHOULD KEEP HER BUSY TOO.
COMMISSIONER BESSEY, BEFORE WE REORDER, I'M JUST GOING TO LIST OUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP, UH, TO SPEAK IN PERSON.
WE HAVE YVONNE ALVAREZ, JULIO GUTIERREZ, WILL MITCHELL, ROB BALDWIN, ELIZABETH WALKER, PHILIP MASON, AARON TREE CARTON, J EISENBERG, WILLIAM EISENBERG, EMILY STEVENSON, JOHN GORLEY, NATHAN RYLANDER, JOSH LEE, MANNY FERNANDEZ, LESLIE NEPO, ANNA ABUS, UH, RENEE SCHMID AND NOEL ATON.
IF YOU ARE PRESENT, BUT YOUR NAME WASN'T CALLED, YOU NEED TO SEE ELAINE VERY QUICKLY.
ALL RIGHT THEN, UM, I, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE CONSENT PERSON THAT WE'RE PULLING THROUGH HERE, OKAY? OKAY.
SO WE'LL BE PULLING CONSENT ITEMS C NINE 11 AND 13 TO DISCUSSION.
SO FIRST I'LL START BY MOVING TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT.
SHERMAN, I WANTED TO PROPOSE THAT WE MOVED D 16, UM, TO CONSENT, 2 22 SOUTH ROSEMONT.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS? SECOND.
ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING THAT ITEM FROM DISCUSSION TO CONSENT AS WE DISCUSSED IN OUR BRIEFING.
WE'LL MOVE THAT OVER TO CONSENT.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE? UH, NOT IN PERSON.
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THERE, IT'S NOW ON CONSENT, WHICH USUALLY REQUIRES LESS NEED TO SPEAK.UM, DID WE VOTE ON THE, ON CONSENT? 29.
SO MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 8, 10, 12.
AND DISCUSSION ITEM 16 SECOND.
CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 8, 10, 12, 14 IN DISCUSSION.
OKAY, WELL, ALL WE NEEDED WAS A SECOND ACTUALLY
SO THE SECOND WILL BE COMMISSIONER SWAN, BECAUSE THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER'S FALLACY.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT ITEM THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON THAT HAD SOME NEW INFORMATION TO BRING US? BECAUSE WE'RE JUST SET TO GO WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL OF THEM.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
THIS MOTION HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
ALL THOSE CONSENT ITEMS HAVE, UH, WILL GO IN ACCORDANCE TO WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED.
EVERYTHING ELSE WILL NOW BE ORDERED.
ALL RIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE, UH, TODAY'S AGENDA TO THE FOLLOWING.
WE'LL START WITH CONSENT ITEM NINE, FOLLOWED BY CONSENT ITEM 11 AND CONSENT ITEM 13.
THEN WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION ITEM 18, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM 1, 6, 7, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10, 15, 5, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, AND NINE.
DID EVERY, DID EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET THAT? GET IT? NO DISCUSSION.
AND PART OF THE WAY WE REORDER THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WAITING TO SPEAK ON IT.
SO WE'RE GONNA START WITH C NINE, C 11, C 13, FOLLOWED BY D 18, 1, 6, 7 23, 4, 8, 9, 10, 15, 5, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 19 AT THE END.
THAT MEANS WE NOW BEGIN WITH, UM, THE READING IN OF THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS C NINE.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY, WHAT IS THE BRIEFEST WE CAN READ IN THESE
THEY NEED TO READ IN THE CASE NUMBER, THE ADDRESS AND THE REQUEST, BUT THEN WHEN IT COMES TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THEY CAN SAY FOR NUMBER ONE, APPROVED.
NUMBER TWO, APPROVE OR DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE ENTIRE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY? THAT SHOULD HELP PRESERVE PEOPLE'S VOICES.
SO LET'S PLEASE PROCEED WITH SAY NINE.
UM, OH, CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE, MS. MANKOWSKI, IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON? YEP, IT IS.
I CAN MOVE IT LIKE EVEN CLOSER.
CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 9 57 31 SWISS AVENUE, UH, CA 2 23 2 6 2 CM.
THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE FRONT PORCH AWNING AND COLUMNS.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE.
AND WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.
THE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT, UH, DID SEND IN A REQUEST TO AMEND HIS APPLICATION TO, UM, DO A FULL WINDOW TO MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE, OH, I'M SORRY.
THAT'S THE WRONG, THIS IS THE WRONG ONE.
SO, UM, OUR FIRST REGISTERED SPEAKER IS LESLIE NFU, AND I SEE YOU ON, ON CAMERA.
MS. NFU, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
LESLIE NFU, SEVEN 18 DUMAS, DALLAS, TEXAS.
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AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES.OKAY, MA'AM, YOU HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES FOR WHATEVER YOU FEEL YOU NEED TO TELL US.
AND YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN NOW? WE CAN.
SOMEHOW, UM, HERE IS THE HOUSE IN QUESTION.
UM, WE'RE REQUESTING TO REMOVE THIS FRONT, UM, AWNING AND COLUMNS.
UM, IT'S ALL MADE OF WOOD AND, UM, TO REPLACE IT.
THESE ARE JUST PHOTOS OF ITS EXISTING OR CURRENT STATE.
ACTUALLY, THESE ARE FROM ABOUT A YEAR AGO TODAY, I WENT BACK AND TOOK SOME PHOTOS AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
IT'S, UM, IT'S A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE IT COMPLETELY DETACHES FROM THE HOUSE.
UM, WE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT IT IS ORIGINAL.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE WAY IT OVERLAPS, THE WINDOW HEADERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE DOOR, UM, AND THE WAY THAT IT INTERACTS WITH THIS, UM, ROLLING HEADER AS WELL, THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE AT THE TIME, UH, THAT THE HOUSE WAS BUILT.
UM, AND IF YOU GO AND LOOK, UM, UP UNDER THERE, THERE'S NO ATTACHMENTS TO THE BRICK.
UM, SO THIS MAKES ME EVEN QUESTION MORE THAT, UM, IF IT'S ORIGINAL OR NOT, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT TO BE ORIGINAL.
UM, THERE IS A LOT OF DISCOLORATION AT THE TOP OF, UM, THE ARCH AS WELL, THE OVERLAPPING HERE, UM, ON THE HEADERS.
UM, AND THEN IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO, UH, THE BRICK IN ANY WAY OR TIED DOWN.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY BEING GLUED ON.
UM, WE'RE REQUESTING TO REPLACE IT, UM, WITH A WOOD AWNING AND SUSPENDED, UM, BY CHAINS THAT, UM, ARE SIMILAR TO CHAINS THAT ARE, WERE ON THE GARAGE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THE SAME, UH, PROFILE EYEBROW WITH THE WINGS ON THE SIDE, UM, EXCEPT THAT WE WOULD RAISE IT SO THAT IT'S ABOVE THE CONCRETE HEADERS HERE OF THE WINDOWS IN PULLED OFF OF THE DOOR.
SO IT GIVES A LITTLE MORE BREATHING ROOM.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE'S THE, OOPS, HOW IT'S VERY TIGHT ON THE DOOR AND WE'RE PROPOSING FOR IT TO BE, HAVE A LITTLE MORE BREATHING SPACE AND TO, UM, BE NOT REPLACE THE COLUMNS.
UM, THE SPACE IN FRONT OF THE DOORS VERY TIGHT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE STEPS UP FROM THE DRIVEWAY, UM, TO GIVE IT SOME MORE BREATHING ROOM.
UM, SOME RENDERING IMAGES OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE BE BUILT OUT.
OKAY, MS NET, THAT, UM, THAT IS YOUR, UH, FIVE MINUTES.
DID YOU HAVE MUCH MORE? NO, MA'AM.
UH, THE NEXT REGISTERED SPEAKER IS TYLER BECKLEY.
IS TYLER BECKLEY AVAILABLE? YES.
WE ARE GONNA NEED TO SEE YOU SOMEWHERE.
I DON'T, I'VE NEVER KNOWN I'VE, I'VE STARTED MY VIDEO.
I, I DUNNO HOW TO ORIENT IT WHERE IT'S SHOWING.
UH, PLEASE FIRST START BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M THE HOMEOWNER AT 57 31 SWISS AVENUE.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.
YOU HAVE, UH, IF YOU'RE JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US SOMETHING, YOU HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES TO DO THAT IN.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF WHAT WAS ON THE HOUSE ORIGINALLY.
OUR OUR PHOTOS DON'T GO BACK ANY FURTHER THAN THE SIXTIES OR THE SEVENTIES.
UH, IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, UH, WE THINK THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WHY, UH, THE PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES THAT THE AWNING, UH, THAT IS THERE CURRENTLY WAS NOT ORIGINAL.
UH, THE FIRST IS THE WAY THAT IT IS ORIENTED THAT MS. NFU COVERED.
THE SECOND IS THE DISCOLORATION AROUND THE SIDES THAT SHE ALSO COVERED.
UH, THE THIRD IS THE WAY THE AWNING IS ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN THE FOURTH IS THE LOCATION OF THE AWNING, UH, BY THE STAIRS, UH, OBSTRUCTS THE ENTRY TO THE SIDE STAIRS.
I WENT AND LOOKED AT SEVERAL HOUSES THAT HAVE SIMILAR COLUMN STRUCTURES ON SWISS AVENUE IN THE
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DISTRICT, AND NONE OF THE OTHERS WERE ORIENTED IN THAT SAME WAY WITH STAIRS RIGHT NEXT TO THE COLUMNS THAT WERE OBSTRUCTED.AND THE FIFTH IS, UH, THE EXISTENCE OF A SUSPENDED AWNING ON THE BACK HOUSE THAT WAS THERE, UH, PREVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING PUTTING ON THE FRONT.
I THINK THOSE FIVE REASONS DEMONSTRATE IN THE ABSENCE OF PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE THAT THAT WAS MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, NOT AN ORIGINAL AWNING.
WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO DO, UH, IS TO REPLICATE SIMILAR AWNINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN, UH, THAT APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL ON OTHER HOMES IN THE DISTRICT.
WE SUBMITTED PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF THREE OF THOSE HOMES, A SISTER NEIMAN MARCUS HOME AT 58 0 3 SWISS AVENUE, A HOME AT 6,005 SWISS AVENUE, AND A HOME AT 63 17 BRYAN PARKWAY.
UM, AND FOR THOSE REASONS, WE BELIEVE THAT THE STRUCTURE THAT THE PROPOSAL WE'RE MAKING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DISTRICT'S HISTORICAL GUIDELINES IN REPLACING A NON-ORIGINAL, UH, ADE STRUCTURE.
AND STICK AROUND FOR WHEN COMMISSIONERS WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AFTER WE HEAR FROM OUR THIRD SPEAKER, WHICH IS ELIZABETH MAST, A FORMER LANDMARK COMMISSIONER.
NICE TO SEE HOW YOU KNOW, THRILL NAME AND ADDRESS.
HI, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH MAST AND I LIVE AT 57 11 SWISS AVENUE.
UM, AND I AGREE, YOU KNOW, CONFIRM AND YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OKAY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES,
UM, YES, I LIVE AT 57 11 SWISS, AND IT IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO 57 31 SWISS.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE DISTRICT FOR JUST ABOUT 20 YEARS, AND A VOWS, UM, 20 YEARS, 15 OF THOSE HAVE BEEN NEXT DOOR TO THE, UM, PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, BEFORE I START, I WANNA TELL YOU THAT, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP THAT I HAD WITH PREVIOUS OWNER, UM, IS SO STRONG.
UM, HARRIET EARHART IS LIKE A FAMILY MEMBER AND ALMOST LIKE A MOTHER TO ME.
SO THAT'S THE RELATIONSHIP THERE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID THOUGH, UM, I ALSO REPRESENTED HARRIET IN THE SALE OF THIS PROPERTY.
THIS PROPERTY WAS ON THE MARKET FOR OVER A YEAR.
IT WAS IN SUCH DECLINING SHAPE, UH, THAT NO ONE REALLY WANTED TO TAKE THIS PROPERTY ON.
UM, BUT AFTER ABOUT A YEAR, THE CURRENT OWNERS DECIDED TO TAKE IT ON AND HAVE SPENT AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND TIME REBUILDING THIS PROPERTY, TRYING TO ENSURE THAT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE IS IN THERE.
UM, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.
I MEAN, EVERY DETAIL HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY HARD WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO GROW THESE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
WE, YES, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THEM, YES, WE WANNA KEEP THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE TO THEM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO INVEST MONIES IN THIS.
NOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT POINTS THAT TYLER BROUGHT UP IN THE PREVIOUS WOMAN, I TOTALLY AGREE.
I WANT TO ALSO CONFIRM BACK IN THAT, UH, HAIL STORM IN 2012, THE OVERHANG, UH, WAS SUSPENDED BY THE ORIGINAL CHAINS ON THE GARAGE.
UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WHEN THIS HOUSE WAS DONE, THERE WOULD BE AN INCONSISTENCY FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK.
YOU ALSO SEE THOSE OVERHANGS, UH, WERE SUSPENDED BY CHAINS AT 58 0 3.
UH, THAT HOUSE WAS ALSO BUILT FOR THE MARCUS FAMILY AS WELL AS 57 31 WITHIN A FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES, SO I WOULD HAVE TO BELIEVE, UM, THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE ANY ORIGINAL PHOTOS OF THE FRONT, THAT IT WAS PROBABLY SUSPENDED LIKE THE BACK WAS AS WELL.
UM, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, I HAVE SPENT OVER 11 YEARS EDUCATING PEOPLE, OUR NEIGHBORS, BUYERS, CURRENT RESIDENTS ON HOW IMPORTANT OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THESE FOLKS THAT ARE PUTTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN GROWING OUR, OUR DISTRICTS.
I MEAN, WE'VE COME SO FAR IN THE LAST 11 YEARS, UM, AND I'M JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT YOU WILL, YOU KNOW, APPROVE THIS ONE PIECE BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF.
AND, AND REALLY WHAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW IS AN EYESORE.
UH, AND NOT ONLY I'M JUST WAITING FOR THE NEXT BIG STORM CUZ IT IS GONNA COME DOWN.
IT IS JUST LITERALLY TAPED UP THERE, UH, GLUED UP THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE IT BY THE PICTURES.
I ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THEIR REQUEST BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE SO MUCH TO THIS HOUSE AND WITH SO MUCH LOVE AND RESPECT FOR THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY.
AND, UM, WE, WE DO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE PUT INTO PROMOTING HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN EAST DALLAS.
WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHAT AN EXCELLENT REPRESENTATIVE YOU ARE.
UM, SO NOW WE NEED TO OPEN IT TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
I HAVE ONE QUICK CLARIFICATION THAT I WANTED TO ASK EITHER THE OWNER OR MS. NEPHEW, THE
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MATERIAL OF YOUR PROPOSED AWNING IS WOOD AND THE COLOR MATCHES THE, UM, COLOR ON THE INTERIOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE WINDOWS.I JUST WASN'T SURE OF THAT FROM THE DRAWINGS.
DID WE LOSE BOTH OF OUR OTHER SPEAKERS? I'M, I'M HERE.
I'LL, I WILL DEFER TO MS. NEBU AS THE, AS THE DESIGNER? YEAH.
MS. NEBU WAS LOOKING, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UM, PAINT IT BLACK OR, UM, WE WOULD CONSIDER PAINTING IT THE, UM, DARK GREEN THAT THE WINDOWS ARE PAINTED AND TRIM MEASURING IT RIGHT THERE.
WOOD, IS IT WOOD OR METAL? WOOD.
SO IT'S WOOD AND YOU WOULD CONSIDER PAINTING IT TO MATCH THE INTERIOR OF THE WINDOWS.
WHAT COM QUESTIONS? DO OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE? COMMISSIONER RENO? YEAH.
UM, FOR, UM, FOR MS. NVU, UM, IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF, UM, OF THE SCUTCH OR OF THE CHAIN CONNECTION, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THROUGH THE BRICK? UM, ORIGINALLY I DIDN'T NOTICE ANY PATCHING.
HOWEVER, PATCHING COULD HAVE BEEN DONE VERY WELL.
UM, BUT HAVE YOU SEEN ANY EVIDENCE OF A, OF A CHAIN ATTACHMENT? NO, I HAVE NOT.
AND UM, YEAH, IT COULD HAVE BEEN PATCHED.
UM, I ALSO DIDN'T SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING ELSE BEING ATTACHED, UM, THROUGH THE BRICK OR THROUGH THE MORTAR.
IS THAT IT? COMMISSIONER RENO? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE EARHART'S HAD TO REBUILD THE CANOPY AT SOME POINT AND THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO IT, IN HER OPINION IN THE RIGHT WAY? SO THEY PUT IT TOGETHER KIND OF HAPHAZARDLY AND THAT MIGHT BE THE REASON THAT THE CANOPY ISN'T IN GOOD CONDITIONS TODAY AND HAS GOT IMITATE, HAS GOT PLYWOOD AND CAULK AND ALL KINDS OF PUT IN.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEY HAD REPAIRED IT BUT POORLY A FEW YEARS AGO? NO, I WAS UNAWARE AND I I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S RELEVANT TO OUR CURRENT SITUATION.
IF I MAY ADD, IT IS RELEVANT BECAUSE YOUR ENTIRE CASE IS BUILT UPON THE CONDITION OF IT THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FALLING OFF.
THE MATERIALS ARE, ARE EARLY TOGETHER.
I THINK IF IT WAS NOT BUILT BACK IN A, IN A, A GOOD WAY, THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT THE, THE THING LOOKS LIKE IT DOES TODAY AND IS FALLING OFF.
UH, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. MASS.
SINCE YOU WERE A LONGTIME NEIGHBOR OF MS. EARHART, DID YOU EVER HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH MS. EARHART ABOUT HER, UM, FRONT ENTRY THERE AND WHETHER OR NOT SHE FELT IT WAS ORIGINAL, WHETHER OR NOT SHE TRIED TO REPAIR IT? OR HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN SINCE YOU'VE BEEN LIVING NEXT DOOR, WHICH MY NOTES SAY 15 YEARS, HAS IT BEEN IN BAD CONDITION FOR 15 YEARS? CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I'M CHALLENGED WITH TECHNOLOGY.
YEAH, NO, WITH THE, THE, THE ENTIRE TIME THAT I HAVE LIVED THERE THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT REPAIRED AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THAT WAY AND IT'S JUST GOTTEN WORSE OVER THE YEARS.
WELL, AND, AND, AND I'VE NEVER, UM, I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR HARRIET, UM, WOULD NEVER POINT ANYTHING LIKE THAT OUT.
SHE WAS ALWAYS BUSY WITH OTHER THINGS IN THAT HOUSE.
SO YOUR TESTIMONY IS NO, YOU NEVER DID HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH MS. MASS ABOUT HER ENTRY THERE? I MEAN, MS. EARHART, I'VE NEVER HAD DISCUSSION WITH HER ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR HARRIET.
I I HAVE SPOKEN WITH, SHE CALLED ME ABOUT THIS.
MAY I ANSWER THE QUESTION? GO AHEAD, SIR.
I SPOKE TO MS. EARHART ABOUT THIS AND, AND SHE SAID OVER THE YEARS SHE HAD TRIED A NUMBER OF TIMES TO REHABILITATE IT, UM, UNSUCCESSFULLY.
SHE, SHE ALSO EXPRESSED THAT SHE DID NOT KNOW, UH, WHETHER IT WAS ORIGINAL, JUST LIKE WE DON'T, UH, NO.
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MADAM CHAIR, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS SOMEONE AT HOME ASKING TO ASK QUESTION? MADAM CHAIR? OH, COMMISSIONER OFFIT, GO AHEAD.LET ME, LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE COMMISSIONER OFFICE MAKES A MOTION? OKAY, GO AHEAD, MR. UM, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE REQUEST, UM, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE STAFF AND TEST TASK FORCE, UH, FOR THE AWNING AT 5 7 31 SWISS AVENUE.
UM, I BELIEVE OUR FIRST SECOND WAS FROM COMMISSIONER FALLACY.
UM, I WOULD ASK IF THE MAKER AND THE SECOND WOULD CONSIDER ADDING THE CONDITION THAT THE AWNING BE PAINTED.
A THE COLOR THAT MATCHES THE INTERIOR MULIAN COLOR OF THE WINDOWS, WHICH IS APPARENTLY DARK GREEN RATHER THAN BLACK, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
AND COMMISSIONER PHILLIPE INDICATES SHE WILL AS WELL.
NOW IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE AND, UM, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION LARGELY BECAUSE I REMAIN UNCONVINCED THAT IT'S NOT ORIGINAL.
I ALSO REMAIN UNCONVINCED THAT IT CAN'T BE REPLICATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT WOULD STILL RETAIN THIS ESSENTIALLY ITALIAN RENAISSANCE STYLE.
UM, AND, UM, ALSO FOR THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARD THAT SAYS, UM, WE SHOULD AVOID THE USE OF CONJECTURE FEATURES.
I ALSO WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT IT WAS REBUILT POORLY IN THE OPINION OF THE OWNER.
AND THAT'S WHY IT LOOKS IN THE CONDITION IT DOES WITH IMITATION MATERIALS.
ALSO, THE AWNING MATCHES THE, THE, UM, THE DORMERS PERFECTLY.
THERE ARE, UH, SIX DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF AWNINGS OR CANOPIES LIKE THIS, ONE OF WHICH IS NEARLY IDENTICAL TO THIS ON SWISS AVENUE, 55, 21 SWISS AVENUE.
I HA IT WAS SHOWN IN PHOTOGRAPHS IN 1960S, ABOUT 40 YEARS AFTER IT WAS BUILT.
I AM QUITE CONVINCED THAT IT'S ORIGINAL, THAT IT HAS BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE 1960S.
AND PHOTOGRAPHS, I THINK WE'RE MAKING A BIG MISTAKE IF WE REMOVE THIS TO ADD A FEATURE THAT IS CONJECTURE.
AS, UM, MS. SHERMAN MENTIONED, UM, I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH.
THERE ARE 87 BUILDINGS ON SWISS AVENUE WITH COLUMNS.
THERE ARE FOUR CANOPIES THAT DO NOT HAVE COLUMNS THAT EITHER HAVE CHAINS OR BRACKETS.
SO WE'RE GOING WITH A FEATURE THAT IS VERY UNUSUAL TO THE DISTRICT.
UM, I JUST FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT THIS IS A MISTAKE.
UH, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE AT ALL THAT IT WAS NOT THERE.
IT'S VERY, VERY SIMILAR, 55 21 SWISS AVENUE, UM, WHICH IS SORT OF A, A, A TWIN, UM, FEATURE TO THAT HOUSE.
SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANY POINTS OF VIEW.
UM, I AM GONNA BE SUPPORTING, UH, THE, THE MOTION AND, UH, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR, UM, UH, HISTORIC EVIDENCE TO, UH, PROVE THE EXISTENCE OR NON-EXISTENCE OF THE, THE PORCH.
AND IN MY MIND, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE SUBMITTED JUST RECENTLY DO SUPPORT THE FACT THAT IT WAS NOT THERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL TIE BETWEEN THE PORCH ITSELF AND THE EXISTING HOME.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BRICK, THE STONE, ALL THE PIECES BEHIND IT ARE PRISTINE.
UM, AND THERE WAS NO STRUCTURAL CONNECTION.
THERE WAS NO FLASHING CONNECTION.
UH, NONE OF THAT IS VISIBLE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS.
ANYONE ELSE WITH A COMMENT? OKAY.
I, I MUST SAY I'M A BIT TORN ON THIS ONE.
UH, I THINK THAT THE EVIDENCE JUST CITED BY COMMISSIONER RENO IS SORT OF COMPELLING THAT THIS WAS ADDED ON AT SOME POINT.
IF IT WAS ADDED ON LONG ENOUGH AGO, IT MAY HAVE OBTAINED ITS OWN HISTORIC IMPORTANCE AND IT, AND IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE AGAINST THAT HOUSE.
BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE DON'T KNOW, I, IN THE ABSENCE OF THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO RECREATE THE EXISTING ONE, WHICH THEY COULD PERFECTLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S CERTAINLY POSSIBLE TO CRAFT SUCH A THING THAT WOULD BE AN IDEAL SOLUTION.
BUT IF THEY REALLY DON'T WANNA DO THAT, I GUESS
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I'LL HAVE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION AS IT IS.I WISH WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE ANSWER EXACTLY THAT WE WANTED CUZ NOT EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD AGREE HAVE ONE THING.
SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENTS, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
SORRY, IT'S NOT EVEN LATE YET.
SO WE HAVE THREE OPPOSED TO THIS ME MEASURE.
OH, THE THREE ARE COMMISSIONERS, ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, AND COMMISSIONERS ONE.
SO IT IS CARRIED BY A MAJORITY AND, UH, WE WISH THE HOMEOWNERS WELL IN THEIR WORK.
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, ELIZABETH.
RHONDA DUNN SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IDENTIFIED AS C 11 IS LOCATED AT 1103 EAST NINTH STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 82 R D.
THE REQUEST ARE TO REPAIR AND REPLACE FRAGMENTED BRICKS AND REPOINT MORTAR JOINTS.
ON MAIN BUILDING, IT'S A CHURCH.
UH, THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO REPLACE EXISTING ROOFING SHINGLES WITH THREE TAB ASPHALT SHINGLES COLORED TO MATCH EXISTING.
WE HAVE TO DISCUSS, UH, THE THIRD REQUEST IS TO PAINT EXTERIOR TO MATCH EXISTING COLOR.
SHERWIN WILLIAMS, S W 7 0 0 6 EXTRA WHITE.
THE FOURTH REQUEST IS TO REPAIR EXTERIOR CONCRETE WALKWAYS, PORCH AND STEPS.
AND THEN THE FIFTH REQUEST IS TO REPAIR AND REPLACE DETERIORATED WOOD ON SOFFIT AND BAY SHIP STAFF.
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, FOR REQUEST NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS FOR REQUEST.
NUMBER TWO, RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE FOR REQUEST NUMBER THREE, THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED FOR REQUEST NUMBER FOUR, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
AND FOR REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AGAIN TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.
UH, WE HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE.
SO IT IS TIME TO GO WITH ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR STAFF THAT, THAT, THAT COMMISSIONER MIGHT HAVE MR. RESPOND.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO PUT UP A, UH, SATELLITE VIEW OF JUST FOR YOU COMMISSION? BEG I PARDON? JUST FOR YOU COMMISSION.
AND IF WE COULD JUST KIND OF ZOOM IN SO WE CAN MAKE A COMPARISON IN THE QUEUE OF THE ROOFS, UH, OF THE ADJACENT, YOU SAY THE HOUSE IS ON EITHER SIDE.
SO THIS IN THE MIDDLE IS 1103 EAST NINTH STREET.
AND THIS, THIS IS AN EMPTY LOT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
AND THEN WE SEE, UH, IN, UH, MS. BRIAN'S HOUSE, UH, THE TWO-STORY HOUSE WE SEE LOOKS LIKE A NEUTRAL GRAY TO ME, KIND OF A MEDIUM NEUTRAL GRAY.
SO IF I WERE DESCRIBING THESE, I'D SAY THAT ON THE HOUSE ON THE LEFT WE HAVE A WARM GRAY, A LITTLE BIT OF BROWN, AND THE HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE WE HAVE A GREEN HUE.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER HOUSE WE HAVE MORE OF A NEUTRAL GRAY.
BECAUSE ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS ESTABLISH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE EXISTING COLOR IS A MUTED HUE OF GREEN.
I THINK I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
UH, IN MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH 2 82 RD, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1103 EAST NINTH STREET, UH, I MOVE THAT, UM, ON NUMBER ONE.
UH, WE APPROVE WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE BRICK MATCH IN COLOR AS STIPULATED, UH, UNDER PART D OF STRUCTURES UNDER PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN THE ORDINANCE.
ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, UM, WE APPROVE, UH, REPLACEMENT OF SHINGLES IN THE EXISTING COLOR WITH THE FINDING FACT THAT THE EXISTING COLOR IS A HUB OF GREEN OR, UH,
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UH, EQUALLY APPROPRIATE, UH, A SHADE OF BROWN OR NEUTRAL GRAY, UM, THE HUE, IF ANY, TO FALL WITHIN ZERO TO STEP FOUR ON THE CHROMA SCALE ON THE MUN CELL CHROMA SCALE AS STIPULATED IN EXHIBIT E OF THE 10TH STREET ORDINANCE.AND THE, UM, VALUE, ALTHOUGH THERE IS NOTHING SPECIFIED FOR ROOFS, THAT THE VALUE BE A STEP THREE OR ABOVE IN AS MUCH AS THE MUNSELL, UH, UH, RANGE STIPULATED FOR 10TH STREET, UH, DOES NOT ADMIT ANYTHING LOWER THAN A THREE IN VALUE.
AND IT STIPULATES THAT WHERE NEUTRAL GRAYS ARE PERMITTED, THEY MUST FALL WITHIN THE RANGES, UH, STIPULATED BY THE ORDINANCE, WHICH REALLY ACTUALLY DISALLOWS BLACK FOR ANY PART OF A 10TH STREET HOUSE, ALTHOUGH ABSOLUTE WHITE IS ACCEPTABLE.
NUMBER THREE I, UH, THAT WE APPROVE ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
NUMBER FOUR, UM, A MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT ALL STEPS, INCLUDING THOSE OF THE SIDE ENTRANCES, BE OF BRUSHED FINISHED CONCRETE, NOT CONCRETE, UH, MASONRY UNITS.
NUMBER FIVE, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
COMMISSIONER RENO WILL BE THE SECOND ON THAT.
UM, SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, MR. MC, IN REGARDS TO NUMBER, UM, ONE ON THE BRICKS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN PROVIDED IN TERMS OF THE PICTURES? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE APPLICANT CAN ABIDE BY THAT BECAUSE IT LOOKS AS THOUGH ALL THE, ALL THE BRICKS ARE PAINTED.
SO WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT IT TO MATCH, WHAT IS THE APPLICANT SUPPOSED TO MATCH? THE, THE, THE NATIVE BRICK UNDER THE PAINT.
SO YOUR MOTION WOULD BE REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO REMOVE THE PAINT IN ORDER TO MATCH IT AND THEN THE APPLICANTS ALLOWED TO PAINT IT AGAIN? YES.
JUST TO REMOVE ENOUGH OF THE PAINT.
BECAUSE WHILE OUR, OUR ORDINANCE DOES PERMIT MM-HMM.
IT SAYS BRICK MUST MATCH IN COLOR MODULE TEXTURE, ET CETERA.
YEAH, I, I WOULD SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION, UM, FOR EVERYTHING EXCEPT THAT I CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN ONEROUS BURDEN FOR YOU, THE APPLICANT TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UM, REMOVING THE PAINT TO ATTEMPT TO, TO, TO MATCH IT WHEN THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO ALLOW THEM TO, TO PAINT IT.
SO THAT'S JUST, THAT'S MY REASON BEHIND THAT.
NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF THEM.
BUT LET ME ADD THAT, THAT THE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, CASES WHERE YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO REMOVE PAINT BECAUSE WHERE YOU HAVE LOOSE BRICKS, YOU HAVE SURFACES OF BRICK THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PAINTED.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE BACKSIDES BEEN PAINTED, BUT EVEN IF YOU DO HAVE TO REMOVE ONE, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REMOVE AN UP PAINT ON ONE BRICK TO DETERMINE WHAT THE ORIGINAL BRICK COLOR IS.
SO IT'S, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'S ONEROUS.
UH, IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF BRICK AND IT'S A SMALL AMOUNT OF PAINT THAT WOULD'VE TO BE REMOVED.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S, I'M REALLY TRYING TO LOOK TOWARD THE, UH, TOWARD A POSSIBLE FUTURE WHERE THE BRICK IS COULD BE UNPAINTED.
COMMISSIONER SWAN? I WOULD AGREE THAT MOST LIKELY IF YOU PULL A BRICK OUT THE BACK OF IT WILL BE THE ORIGINAL COLOR, BUT, UM, IT COULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO MATCH THAT.
UH, SO JUST SOMETHING FAIRLY COMPATIBLE.
UM, I SEE YOU WANNA SET IT UP SO THE FUTURE WOULD BE EASIER, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE FUTURE APPLICANT'S PROBLEM, IF THEY WANNA TAKE THE, THE PAINT OFF THAT, THEN THE LANDMARK COMMISSION WOULD SPECIFY THAT ALL BRICKS MUST BE THE SAME.
ANY SUBSTITUTED BRICKS THAT DON'T MATCH SHOULD BE REMOVED.
WELL, IN THIS CASE, I'M FOLLOWING OUR ORDINANCE.
WHAT, WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT MANY THINGS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S SPECIFIC AND IT DOES NOT MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR PAINTED BRAVE.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST POINTING OUT I'M NOT NECESSARILY LEANING HEAVY TOWARDS THE OTHER WAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, AND IT, IT DOES SAY THINK OF THE FUTURE, BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T WANNA BURDEN OF ORDINANCE WITH THE FUTURE.
I I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THE ORDINANCE ALSO SAYS BRICKS SHALL NOT BE PAINTED.
AND, AND ONLY MAKES EXCEPTIONS WHERE WE CAN PROVE THAT UH, IT WAS HISTORICALLY PAINTED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS MOTION OR ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THE MOTION? OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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ANY OPPOSE THIS MOTION? COMMISSIONER SPY IS OPPOSED.THE PLAINTIFF HAS COMMISSIONER NOOSA OPPOSED ALSO.
THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE YOU THERE IN THE LITTLE TINY SQUARE AT THE TOP.
SO,
SO WE HAD TWO OPPOSITIONS, BUT THEY STILL CARRY AND, UH, THE STAFF WILL WORK WITH THEM TO FOLLOW THE, UM, AMENDMENTS THAT WE MADE TO THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
AND THAT IS THE ONE THAT COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MUST, I MEAN, YEAH.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MUST RECORD HERSELF ON, SO SHE IS LEAVING THE ROOM.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF, THIS IS CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 13 1700 WEST 10TH STREET, WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 2 7 0 CM.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ROOFING SHINGLES ON MAIN STRUCTURE, UH, WITH BRAND TEMP, CO HERITAGE SE SERIES SHINGLES, COLOR, RUSTIC BLACK.
AND NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE APPROVED POLE MONUMENT SIGNAGE TO NEW SIGN DESIGN.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO APPROVE BOTH ONE AND TWO TASK FORCE, UH, NO QUORUM.
HOWEVER, TASK FORCE IS IN FAVOR OF SHING SHINGLE COLOR CHANGE AND SIGN.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS CHAD DOLEZAL.
DO WE HAVE THAT SPEAKER ONLINE OR HE SHOULD BE THERE.
I LITERALLY WAS JUST EMAILING WITH HIM NOT SAYING IT YET.
WAS WELCOME BACK LOOKING FOR THE VIDEO BUTTON TO POP UP.
YOU KNOW, WE START THIS WITH STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 1 0 1 SOUTH WINNETKA AVENUE.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.
UM, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WISH TO TELL US AND THEN WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS.
UH, I WANTED TO START, I'LL START WITH THE SHINGLES.
CAUSE I LISTENED TO THE BRIEFING EARLIER AND I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S POINT AND I REALIZED THAT THE SHINGLES ARE NAMED NOT THE MOST APPROPRIATE.
UH, WE DIDN'T, WE DID NOT WANT A BLACK SHINGLE.
UH, WE PURPOSELY WENT FOR A GRAY SHINGLE AND NOT REALLY THINKING THAT THE NAME RUSS BLACK WOULD OBVIOUSLY LEAD TO THAT.
I TOOK ANOTHER PHOTO OF THEM OUTSIDE SO THAT Y'ALL COULD SEE THAT THEY ARE GRAY, GRAY IN NATURE.
I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN IF I CAN.
I, AND LET ME JUST INTERJECT THAT JOANNA HAMPTON, OUR LIAISON FROM THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION HAS JOINED US.
AND LET ME KNOW IF Y'ALL CAN SEE MY SCREEN.
ALRIGHT, LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN.
ARE Y'ALL BY ANY CHANCE LOOKING AT SHINGLES OR, THERE YOU GO.
WE'RE LOOKING AT A BLANK SPACE.
UM, SO YEAH, I TOOK A PHOTO AFTER THE, AFTER THE BRIEFING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE CUZ OBVIOUSLY I I, AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD WHERE Y'ALL WERE COMING FROM, OR, UH, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON THAT RUN UP THE POINT.
UM, WE DID, I MEAN, WE AGREED WITH HIM.
I, I'M, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY FROM THIS MORNING, HE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, GRAY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEIR HOUSE OF GRAY SHINGLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THAT'S MORE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO MIMIC HERE.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CALL THIS RUSTIC BLACK, BUT WE WERE GOING BY, WE PICKED OUT A SHINGLE BY THE COLOR, NOT BY THE NAME.
UM, SO I JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT BETTER CONTEXT TO YOU ALL ABOUT WHY WE CHOSE THIS AND WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE.
UM, AND THE SIGN, UM, IT'S THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.
UH, WE WANTED TO JUST MIMIC THE KIND OF LOOK AS MUCH AS WE COULD WITHOUT DIRECTLY STEALING IT AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING IT AVAILABLE FOR US TO BE SUED BY MOBILE, BUT WE WANTED TO KIND OF JUST MIMIC THAT SIGN WAS THE ONLY THING WE'RE GOING FOR THERE.
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UM, AND THAT'S IT.AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
AND THAT SHINGLES CERTAINLY HELP CLEAR UP SOME OF OUR CONFUSION.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS APPLICANT? AND IF YOU DON'T, DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RENAU, UM, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, CA 2 23 DASH 27, UH, CM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1700 WEST 10TH STREET, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW, UM, STAFF'S, UH, UH, DIRECTION AND APPROVE AS STATED.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER OSA, ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE A COMMENT.
I JUST WANTED TO APPLAUD THE, UH, THE APPLICANT FOR, UM, UH, TRYING TO MAKE THE SIGN AS, AS, UH, RELEVANT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I THINK IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE A VERY NICE ADDITION.
IT IS A VERY NICE SIGN AND I BET MOBILE WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN NOTICED IF YOU JUST GOT
WE JUST, WE JUST GOT LITTLE NERVOUS TO GET TOO CLOSE.
YOU KNOW, THEY PROBABLY DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT MOSES
SHALL WE GO AHEAD WITH OUR VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? UH, APPEARS TO HAVE CARRIE UNANIMOUSLY.
GOOD LUCK, SIR, WITH YOUR WORK.
UH, WE CAN ASK COMMISSIONER SHERMAN TO RETURN AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE, WHICH SHOULD BE D 18.
RHONDA DUNN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING D 18.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 700 PAULA AVENUE.
IT'S ALSO KNOWN AS THE RAY WORTH WILLIAMS HOUSE.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER EXPANDING THE EXISTING GENIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY TO INCORPORATE 700 PAULIS AVENUE.
AND WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.
YOU HAD ME CONFUSED FOR A MOMENT.
I'VE KNOWN THE MAN FOR 15 YEARS AND SUDDENLY HE CHANGED.
SO, UM, ARE, ARE YOU NOEL ATON? YES.
JUST GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YEAH, HE CAN JUST GO AFTER YOU.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH.
HI, UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS NOEL AK AND I'M AT 61 11 WORK STREET.
AND, UM, I AM HERE IN SUPPORT OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
UM, THIS IS, I LIVE WITHIN JUNIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I'M CURRENTLY THE BOARD PRESIDENT AND HAVE BEEN SERVING ON THE BOARD FOR THE LAST, UH, TWO YEARS.
UM, THE AGENDA ITEM IS TO INCLUDE, UM, 700 PAULA STREET INTO JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, UH, ALSO KNOWN AS, UM, MR. SLOCUM'S RESIDENCE.
UM, IN SUPPORT OF THIS, OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST YEAR, MR. SLUM HAS BECOME A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE THROUGH THIS EFFORT TO PRESERVE 700 PAUL AND NEEDS TO BE COMMENDED FOR HAVING THE VISION AND DETERMINATION TO PROTECT HIS UNIQUE AND ARCH ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT HOUSE.
UM, THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT DAVID WILLIAMS, KNOWN AS THE FATHER OF TEXAS REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE AND CONSTRUCTED IN 1926.
THE DESIGN IS A UNIQUE MEDITERRANEAN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE WITH FEATURES THAT WOULD COMMONLY BE INCORPORATED INTO DAVID WILLIAMS'S LATER TEXAS REGIONAL WORK.
WE BELIEVE THAT LANDMARK DESIGNATION OF 700 POLISH IS AN IMPORTANT STEP IN PRESERVING SUCH A WONDERFUL PIECE OF DALLAS'S RICH HISTORY INCLUSION TWO JUNIUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT WILL GIVE THE PROPERTY ADDITIONAL PROTECTION WITHIN A COMMUNITY OF LIKE-MINDED RESIDENTS WHO VALUE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND
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ACTIVELY WORK TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE THIS GOAL.YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER IS GREATLY APPRECIATED AND WE HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT THIS STEP TOWARDS INCLUDING 700 PAULA AND TWO JU HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I AM SUPPO IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
AND I SEE THAT MR. RENEE SCHMIDT HAS RETURNED.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M RENEE SCHMIDT, SEVEN 15 PARK LOT AVENUE IN DALLAS.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE WHOLE TRUTH? YES.
UH, WE DON'T NEED THE ENTIRE TRUTH.
MY NAME IS RENEE SCHMIDT, SEVEN 15 PARK IN DALLAS.
I'M CURRENTLY CHAIR OF THE HISTORICAL ZONING COMMITTEE OF JULIUS HEIGHTS IN I'M A PAST PRESIDENT OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS AND LED THE COMMUNITY EFFORT THAT LED TO THE CREATION OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT BACK IN 2006.
BACK THEN, WE WERE APPROACHING 70% OF THE HOMES IN JUNIOR HEIGHTS THAT SIGNED THE PETITIONS THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF CREATION OF THE DISTRICT.
PAUL AT THAT TIME, WAS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE IT WAS OWN COMMERCIAL WITH AROUND 750 HOMES SPREAD OVER A HUNDRED FIVE, A HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE ACRES.
WE WERE ON THE VERGE OF CREATING THE LARGEST LANDMARK DISTRICT IN DALLAS.
OUR ARMY OF VOLUNTEERS REMAINED FOCUSED, BUT IT WAS A HUGE UNDERTAKING AND UNFORTUNATELY, 700 PAULS GOT LEFT OUT.
BILLY SLOGAN MOVED IN ABOUT THE TIME THE DISTRICT WAS FORMED AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE HIS HOUSE INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT.
BOTH THE HISTORIC ZONING COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD ENTHUSIASTICALLY HAVE SUPPORTED THIS.
IT MAKES SENSE TO INCLUDE 700 PAULSON TO THE DISTRICT.
IT IS ADJACENT TO THE LAKEWOOD LIBRARY, WHICH IS ALREADY IN THE DISTRICT BY, IN INCLUDING IN THE DISTRICT.
IT WOULD HELP FRAME THE EASTERN ENTRANCE TO JUNIORS HEIGHTS.
THE HOUSE IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
IT IS BUILT IN 1926 AND DESIGNED BY DAVID WILLIAMS, THE FATHER OF TEXAS REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE, WILLIAMS WAS DEVELOPING AN INDIGENOUS REGIONAL STYLE IN THIS HOUSE SHOWS MANY OF HIS AESTHETIC ASPIRATIONS.
IT HAS A UNIQUE MEDITERRANEAN, MEDITERRANEAN STYLE WITH A TEXAS FLAIR.
WILLIAMS WAS THE LEADING PROPONENT OF TEXAS REGIONAL ARCHITECTURE DURING THE 1920S AND THE 1930S.
TO QUOTE MURIEL MCCARTHY WHO WROTE THE DEFINITIVE BOOK ON WILLIAMS. THIS HOUSE BOTH DOES REPRESENT THE APPLICATION OF CERTAIN IDEAS, WHICH LATER CULMINATED IN A REGIONAL STYLE, IS ORIENTATION TO THE SITE, THE USE OF APPROPRIATE BUILDING MATERIALS FOR THE AREA AND ITS ADAPTATION TO THE CLIMATE ALL MARKET AS ONE OF ITS EARLIEST ATTEMPTS TO ADAPT A HOUSE TO ITS LOCA LOCATION.
I'M SORRY, I'M STILL RUNNING OUT OF AIR FROM PUTTING IN COINS IN THE PARKING METER.
ROTH RAWORTH, A WELL-KNOWN DALLAS PHYSICIAN, WAS THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE HOUSE AND LIVED THERE FOR MANY YEARS.
THE INTERIOR, THANKS TO BILLY IS REMARKABLY PRESERVED AND BILLY SPOKEN THIS YEAR.
HE'S ALSO AN INCREDIBLE ARTIST AND HIS HOME IS FILLED WITH HIS ARTWORK.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON AN APPLICATION FOR JUNIORS HEIGHTS TO BE PLACED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.
BILLY'S HOUSE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL LISTING AND WOULD BE A HUGE ASSET TO OUR DISTRICT, THE COMMUNITY OF JUNIORS HEIGHTS.
AND BILLY SILICON WOULD DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO INCLUDE HIS HOME INTO THE GOVERNING ORDINANCE OF JUNIOR HEIGHTS.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
UH, DID WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER? IS MS. QUIMBY STILL HERE? OKAY, WELL PEOPLE HAVE TO DO THAT.
ARE THERE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS OR ARE SOMEONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? NO.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MIGHT BE IMMATERIAL.
I'M READING THROUGH, UM, SECTION 51 A WHEN IT COMES TO AMENDING IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHEN THAT WAS DONE ONCE BEFORE ANYTHING GO.
WELL, WEREN'T THOSE RULES REVISED THEN? IS IT NOT TAKE MORE THAN ONE? UM, THE, THE, I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REVISION OF THE RULES THAT RESULTED FROM A DIFFICULTY WITH ATTEMPTING TO, UM, BRING SOMEONE INTO A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THE OWNER DID NOT WANT TO DO IT.
UHHUH
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SUBJECT PROPERTY.WELL, EVERYBODY SECONDED THAT ONE.
WHY DON'T YOU PICK BE THE ONE MITCHELL LIVINGSTON.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON SECONDED THIS.
HE WAS FIRST, OF COURSE, HE WAS.
UM, UH, AND, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENT WE NEED TO MAKE BEFORE WE VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
ALL IS IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.
I KNOW THIS TOOK A LITTLE WHILE, BUT, UM, WE'RE VERY, VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS HOUSE GIVEN PROTECTION.
RONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF ON DISCUSSION ITEM D ONE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1300 SOUTH IRVE STREET, UH, THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL.
THE CASE NUMBER IS, UH, THE FORMER AMBASSADOR HOTEL.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 83 R D.
THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A MAIN MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING UNIT WITH ACCESSORY PARKING STRUCTURE ON, ON THE SITE OF THE FORMER AMBASSADOR HOTEL CONSISTING OF THREE BUILDINGS TOTAL WITH FOUR LEVELS OF PARKING.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE.
LET'S SEE HOW MANY, UH, WELL, FIRST I HAVE WILL MITCHELL, DO YOU MIND IF I, I GO FIRST? THAT, THAT THAT'S FINE.
CAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE.
SO THEY PUT ME UP FIRST AND WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE, THE ARCHITECT.
DO YOU REMEMBER YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? YEAH, I DO REMEMBER MY NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, ROB BALDWIN, 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B I'M HERE REPRESENTING O H T PARTNERS WHO HAVE THE, THE OLD AMBASSADOR SITE UNDER CONTRACT OR THEY OWN IT AND WANNA BUILD ON IT.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'RE TELLING US NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
UH, SEVERAL OF Y'ALL WERE ON THE COMMISSION WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS BEFORE Y'ALL LAST YEAR BEFORE WE WENT TO CITY PLANNING COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL.
KIND OF WONDERING WHY WE'RE AMENDING, UH, A HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT FOR A BUILDING THAT WAS NO LONGER THERE.
UM, IT DID CAUSE SOME CONFUSION, SOME, SOME DISCUSSION.
AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, UH, MY CLIENT RECOGNIZES AS AN IMPORTANT SITE AND WAS WILLING TO PUT ADDITIONAL, UH, REGULATIONS ON HIMSELF TO RECOGNIZE THE AMBASSADOR PROPERTY AS SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BOTH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE THE CEDARS.
UH, SO RATHER THAN FIGHT THE RE THE REMOVAL OF THE, UH, H OVERLAY WHEN THE AMBASSADOR WAS DESTROYED, THEY, MY CLIENT AGREED TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
NOT ONLY DO TO WORK WITH THE, THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND THE CEDARS, BUT ALSO WITH THE OLD CITY PARK FOLKS AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, UH, WITH THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION TO WORK UP WITH THESE REGULATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE SITE THAT REVISED AGE 20.
UM, THESE WERE REASONABLE REGULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW THE LAND TO BE REDEVELOPED UNDER THE UNDERLYING ZONING, BUT WOULD GIVE HOMAGE TO THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL.
THE, THE INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WENT BACK ON THE SITE MADE A NOD TO THE EXISTING ARCHITECTURE IN THE VICINITY.
IN ADDITION, THE DOCTOR TO OVERLAY DISTRICT SPECIFICALLY STATES THAT THE INTENT OF THIS OVERLAY IS TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING, BUT NOT REPLICATE IT.
SO THE GOAL WAS NOT TO PUT IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, BUT TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THIS AS AN IMPORTANT SITE.
AND THERE WERE SOME ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS WE SHOULD GO WITH THAT THE GUIDELINES ARE INTENDED TO INFLUENCE DESIGN OF THE EXTERIOR, THE MAIN OR THE JEWEL BOX, BUILDING IT'S FOOTPRINT AND ORIENTATION TO THE CEDARS.
THE ORDINANCE FURTHER GOES TO STATE THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT HAVE TO MATCH THE COLORS BUILDING FORM OF MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
AND THAT, AND I THINK YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THE DESIGN TEAM HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF CRAFTING A PROJECT THAT FITS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD WELL, COMPLYING WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
I HOPE THAT YOU'LL AGREE THAT THIS REQUEST BEFORE YOU IS THOUGHTFUL, INTENTIONAL, AND KEEPING WITH THE AMENDED PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT WE'RE CELEBRATING AN AMBASSADOR.
WE'RE NOT RECREATING IT AND WITHOUT LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO, TO WILL THE ARCHITECT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, STICK AROUND FOR QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. MITCHELL? YES, WILL MITCHELL, 28 21 LOVERS LANE.
CAN I BE MADE PRESENTER ON THE WEBEX PLEASE? UH, SOMEONE IS WORKING ON THAT.
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UH, I AM WILL MITCHELL ON THE WEBEX AND IT LOOKS LIKE I CAN SHARE.OH, AND I NEED TO ASK YOU TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH.
I ASK THAT IF PEOPLE IN GROCERY STORES EVERYTHING, IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL.
SO CAN EVERYBODY SEE AN ELEVATION EXHIBIT? OKAY.
CAN ALL THOSE AT HOME SEE IT? OKAY, GOOD.
OKAY, FORGIVE ME FOR SITTING, BUT I'M GONNA DRIVE ON THE COMPUTER HERE.
SO COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TODAY.
WE ARE THE ARCHITECTS AND THE AMBASSADOR PROJECT.
WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE WORKING ON THIS SITE.
I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, SOME CLARIFICATIONS, UH, SOME COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, IN THE BRIEFING TODAY IN, IN OUR REVIEW PROCESS WITH CITY STAFF AND THE TASK FORCE, AND ALSO PRESENT A DESIGN MODIFICATION WE'VE MADE AS A RESULT.
SO I'LL JUST JUMP RIGHT IN THERE.
FIRST, THERE WERE REFERENCES IN THE COMMENTS TO A PORTION OF THE OVERLAY THAT REQUIRES THE BASE EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDING TO BE BETWEEN 10 AND 25 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UM, AS I'LL SHOW YOU HERE, UH, OUR SUBMITTED DESIGN HAD A TWO-STORY ENTRY FEATURE THAT WAS SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT 25 FOOT HEIGHT.
YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE, IN THE CENTER OF THIS IMAGE ON WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE JEWEL BUILDING.
UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS, WE HAVE LOWERED THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING TO APPROXIMATELY 17 FOOT SIX AND STRUCK A LINE AROUND THE JEWEL BUILDING TO CREATE THE BASE EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDING.
NEXT, I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT WE COMPLY WITH THIS CONCEPT DIAGRAM YOU SEE ON THE LEFT THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN THE BRIEFING TODAY.
UM, WE SHOW HERE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE'VE SHOWN SOME DIMENSIONS.
BLUE, OUR WINDOW, ROUGH OPENINGS, RED, OUR PIE LASTERS.
SO WE'RE SHOWING HERE THAT WE'RE ALTERNATING BETWEEN BASICALLY AN EIGHT FOOT, UH, ROUGH OPENING FOR THE BALCONIES AND A SIX FOOT OPENING FOR SOME OF THE WINDOWS, AND ALSO ALTERNATING OUR PILASTER WIDTHS.
UM, WE JUST WANTED TO, TO AFFIRM HERE THAT OUR GOAL WAS TO NOT TO IMITATE, NOT TO RECREATE THE AMBASSADOR, BUT REALLY TO PAY HOMAGE TO IT AS HISTORICAL CONTEXT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND WE'RE ALSO CHANGING PLANE IN THE FACADE, UM, BETWEEN THE SORT OF FLANKING ELEMENTS AND THE CENTER COMPONENT.
NEXT, I WANTED TO ADDRESS CONCERNS ON THE VISIBILITY OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THE ROOF.
SO WE'VE CREATED TWO SECTIONS HERE THAT SHOW THE SIGHT LINES FROM ACROSS IVE STREET AND INDICATE THAT THE CONDENSERS, WHICH SIT ON THE ROOFTOP ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THAT PEDESTRIAN VANTAGE POINT AS REQUIRED BY THE OVERLAY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
SO THIS IS ONE THROUGH THAT FIVE STORY JEWEL BUILDING.
AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER THROUGH THE SEVEN STORY BUILDING.
SORRY, I'M GOING KIND OF QUICK HERE.
WE CAN COME BACK TO THESE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE GLAZING.
WE JUST WANTED TO AFFIRM THAT WE HAVE LOW NON-REFLECTIVE GLAZING OF REFLECTIVITY OF 11%.
THERE WERE COMMENTS TO TINTED GLASS.
I THINK THE CONNECTOR JUST LOOKS LIKE IT'S IN SHADOW IN SOME OF THOSE RENDERINGS.
SO WE HAVE STANDARD, UM, HIGH QUALITY, LOW E RESIDENTIAL GLASS ON THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE JUST WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND MENTION THAT WE HAVE ENTRANCES TO UNITS ALL ALONG SOUTH ST.
PAUL STREET ADDRESSING, UM, THAT SIDE OF OLD CITY PARK.
WE ALSO HAVE A PARK-LIKE LANDSCAPE ELEMENT ON THE CORNER WITH ENHANCED PAVING.
EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME CHAIR GUEST COMMISSIONER.
UM, I'LL MOVE TO, UM, GIVE THE SPEAKER ANOTHER TWO MINUTES.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? STILL MOVE SECOND.
GONNA FIGHT IT OUT IN THE FUTURE.
COMMISSIONER GUEST GETS A SECOND.
ALL ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
YOU VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
JUST TO FINISH THAT THOUGHT, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT CONNECTION TO OLD CITY PARK.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS A FEATURE HERE ON THE, UH, WHERE ST.
PAUL INTERSECTS WITH IVE, WHERE THERE'S ENHANCED PAVING AND SEATING.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A MOMENT TO PRESERVE, UH, A REALLY NICE AREA AND A CONNECTION TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS ELEMENT ON THE JEWEL THAT WAS INSPIRED BY THE ORIGINAL PARK HOTEL THAT HAD THIS SORT OF, UH, SEMI EXTERIOR PORCH ELEMENT ON IT.
AND WE THOUGHT THAT COULD BE A REALLY COOL AMENITY FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND ALSO ADDRESSES, UH, THAT SIMILAR, UH, FACE OF THE, OF THE OLD CITY PARK.
UM, COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS
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FOR OUR APPLICANTS.YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.
I, I THINK MR. BALDWIN HAD MENTIONED, UM, THAT MASSING WAS NOT INCLUDED IN, UM, ONE OF THE DIFFERENT, OR RATHER ONE OF THE, UM, FACTORS IN, IN MAKING SURE THAT THE, THE NEW BUILDING WAS, UH, PAYING ENOUGH HOMAGE TO THE EXISTING HOTEL, UH, MASSING.
AND THEN I THOUGHT I HAD ALSO HEARD, UM, ABOUT BUILDING FOOTPRINT.
COULD YOU CLARIFY THOSE, UH, MR. BALDWIN OR, OR, UH, UH, OR THE ARCHITECT FROM CORGAN? I APOLOGIZE.
UM, RIGHT, SO IN THE OVERLAY, IT STIPULATES THAT NEW CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT HAVE TO MATCH COLORS, BUILDING FORM OR MATERIALS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
UM, SO WHILE WE DID CITE THE JEWEL BOX GENERALLY WHERE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE AMBASSADOR WAS, WE DID SORT OF INVERT THAT CHANGE IN PLANE.
WE BROUGHT THE, THE ENTRANCE FORWARD AND, AND, UM, SORT OF RECESSED THE FLANKS OF THE BUILDING.
IS THAT THIS OVERLAY PROJECT? NOT ON ALL OF IT.
THE BIG THING TRYING TO GET THE MADAM CHAIR.
I COULDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE COULD, I COULD ONLY HEAR ABOUT EVERY FOURTH WORD OF WHOEVER WAS JUST TALKING.
THAT, THAT MICROPHONE WE WERE JUST USING.
OKAY, LET'S CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ON MR. OFFIT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? SO WHAT I WAS SAYING, I APOLOGIZE.
UH, THE INTENT, UH, TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, UH, OVERLAY ONLY TAKES CARE ADDRESSES ABOUT A THIRD OF THE SITE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A THIRD OF THE SITE, AND THE REST IS JUST, UH, THE STRAIGHT ZONING.
AND THEN ONE OF THE BIG THRUSTS OF THE, THE ORDINANCE WAS THE ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING THAT'S TAKEN THE PLACE OR THE, ABOUT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL AMBASSADOR HOTEL.
AND THAT'S, I THINK THE, UH, THE ARCHITECTS HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF ADDRESSING THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
MR. RENO, DID YOU HAVE FURTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION? YOU'RE SATISFIED THAT, OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? MADAM CHAIR? UH, YES, GO AHEAD.
UM, EITHER FOR MR. MITCHELL OR, OR MR. BALDWIN, UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT THE ORDINANCE CONDITIONS, UM, INCLUDE AN EXHIBIT AND STATE THAT IF THE MASSING, UM, IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT EXHIBIT THAT IS CONSIDERED YES.
UH, COMMISSIONER, THAT THAT'S EXACTLY CORRECT.
UH, IT IS THERE, THAT'S, THAT WAS THE INTENT OF EXHIBIT E ACTUALLY SAYING IF, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK LIKE THIS, YOU'RE COM YOU'RE CONSIDERED TO BE COMPATIBLE.
AND, AND WHILE THE DESIGN HAS BEEN REFINED FROM THAT EXHIBIT, IS, IS IT YOUR INTENT THAT IT WAS GENERALLY FOLLOWING, UM, THE, THE OUTLINES AND THE CONTOURS OF THAT EXHIBIT? YES, MA'AM.
AND A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION? I WOULD, YES.
I THINK THERE WERE ALSO COMMENTS REGARDING, UM, PEDESTRIAN ENGAGEMENT IN HOW, UM, THE BUILDING WAS ORIENTED TOWARDS SOUTH ST.
PAUL AND POTENTIAL FUTURE CONNECTIONS, UM, TO OLD CITY PARK.
COULD YOU ADDRESS HOW YOUR DESIGN, UM, MEETS THAT CRITERIA? YEAH, SO, UM, THIS IS WILL MITCHELL AGAIN.
SO, UH, THE COMMENTS I MADE ABOUT SOUTH ST.
PAUL WERE INTENDED TO SORT OF ADDRESS THAT CONCERN PRIMARILY THAT WE HAVE, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS AT GRADE WHOSE PRIMARY ENTRANCES ARE ALL ALONG SOUTH ST.
SO THE IDEA THERE WOULD BE TO ACTIVATE THAT STREET WITH ACTIVITY OF, OF RESIDENCES GOING IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOMES.
AND THEN I ALSO JUST MENTIONED THE, THE PARK AT THE INTERSECTION OF ST.
AND THEN ALSO THAT WE HAVE THIS SORT OF AN AMENITY FEATURE.
I'LL POINT OUT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT HERE, THAT IS A INDOOR OUTDOOR, UM, AMENITY SPACE FOR THE BUILDING, UM, THAT LOOKS TO, SORT OF LOOKS TOWARDS THAT OLD CITY PARK ZONE.
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YOU ALSO ADDRESS, I SEE THAT YOU HAVE A VEHICULAR ENTRY THAT IS LOCATED ON SOUTH ST.COULD YOU, UM, SPEAK TO WHAT THE LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THAT MAY BE? IF THERE WAS A, A FUTURE ALIGNMENT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY? YES.
W SO THE PLANS WE'VE SEEN, UM, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY DO ABANDON A PORTION OF SOUTH ST.
SO WE'VE LOCATED THAT SERVICE ENTRY SUCH THAT IF WE LOSE A PORTION, WE CAN STILL GET TO IT.
NOW, IF THERE WERE SOME PLAN TO ABANDON ALL OF IT, WE WOULD STILL HAVE, UH, SERVICE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE MOTOR COURT HERE OFF IVEY.
IT WOULD JUST BRING MORE SERVICE FRONT OF HOUSE.
IT WOULD JUST WOULDN'T BE IDEAL.
BUT, UM, BUT YES, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, WE FEEL LIKE THE, UH, CONFIGURATION FUNCTIONS WELL, EVEN IF WE LOSE PART OR ALL OF SOUTH ST.
WELL, IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THERE'S NO, NO MORE VEHICLE ACCESS EXCEPT FOR EMERGENCY ALONG ST.
PAUL, YOU COULD TAKE THAT ACCESS AND CLOSE IT AND MAKE MORE UNITS OUT OF IT? CORRECT.
YEAH, WE, WE COULD FILL IN THERE IN THAT APERTURE AND PROVIDE, UH, RESIDENTIAL UNITS THERE.
ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ANY, WELL, IN THAT CASE, I'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF, UH, CA 2 23 DASH, UM, 2 83, UM, RD, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1300 SOUTH IRVE STREET THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
WHO IS THE SECOND? COMMISSIONER? ANDERSON.
UM, HAVING MADE THE MOTION, IT'S NOW TIME FOR US TO COMMENT UPON IT.
IF ANYBODY'D LIKE TO, UM, DISCUSS WHAT PARTICULAR ASPECTS SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, FURTHER, UH, UH, ILLUMINATE THE REASONS THAT I'M DENYING IT.
UM, WHILE I THINK, UH, A GREAT EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE TO, UM, UH, TO ABIDE BY, UH, BOTH THE, THE OVERLAY AND, UM, UH, UH, ALL THE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE, UH, REQUIRED WITHIN IT, UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, MORE WORK CAN BE DONE TO, UH, UH, THERE'S A ONE DIAGRAM IN PARTICULAR THAT, UM, KIND OF HIGHLIGHTS THE FOUR OR FIVE, SIX OR SEVEN KEY POINTS, UM, THAT, THAT DID PLAY PAY HOMAGE TO THE AMBASSADOR.
AND I THINK YOU'VE, UM, ACCOMMODATED ABOUT TWO OR THREE OF THEM, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM IN PARTICULAR.
THE, UM, THE HEIGHT OF THE CENTER, UH, PORTION OF THE, OF THE THREE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN IT AND IT'S, AND IT'S, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO BOOKENDS.
UM, AND I STILL FEEL THAT, UH, WELL ALSO IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, THE, THE PLAN IS BASICALLY RECTANGULAR RATHER THAN AN H OR, UM, OR WHATEVER, A CROSS PATTERN.
UM, SO I THINK THOSE, THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD HELP YOU IN, IN MY MIND, UM, TO BETTER APPROACH THE, THE ORDINANCE.
COMMISSIONER RENO, ANY OTHER COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY WHY WE SHOULD SUPPORT THIS MOTION? MR. ANDERSON, DID YOU HAVE SOME REASON WITH THIS PRESS ABOUT YOUR SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION? WELL, I AGREE WITH RENO THAT, UM, I THINK THEY'RE PART OF THE WAY THERE, BUT THEY, THEY NEED TO DO A LITTLE MORE WORK TO GET IT TO FULFILL ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE EXHIBIT.
IF THERE ARE, THERE ARE NO OTHERS, UM, I, I COULD CERTAINLY SEE TRYING TO, UM, EVOKE THAT FORMER BARBELL SORT OF SHAPE OF THE BUILDING WOULD, WOULD MAKE IT, UM, HOLD UP THE MEMORY OF THE AMBASSADOR A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND I DO COMMEND THE INCLUSION OF THAT LITTLE PORCH ON THE END.
UM, THEY HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS OVER AT OLD CITY PARK, UH, THAT VISITORS TO THE PARK HOTEL TOOK, INCLUDING SITTING ON THAT PORCH AT ONE POINT, AND THEY VISITED THE PARK.
SO IT USED TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF, OF VISITING THE PARK.
SO I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL RULES IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY, THIS MOTION HAS CARRIED AND IT DOES INVOLVE A DENIAL, WHICH MEANS IT CAN BE APPEALED TO CPC FOR A FEE, BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOVE TO SEE THE APPLICANT.
UM, CONSIDER OUR COMMENTS TODAY AND SEE IF THEY'D LIKE TO RETURN WITH, UM, ANOTHER APPLICATION.
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D SIX IS NEXT ON OUR LIST.CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON MS. MC? WE'LL NEVER TRUST YOU AGAIN.
IT'S DEFINITELY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS THAT BETTER? OKAY.
ADDRESS IS 49 15 JUNIOR STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 26 6 CM.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO COVER LEFT SIDE WINDOWS WITH SIDING.
HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS RECENTLY TALKED TO ME AND IS WILLING TO AMEND THE APPLICATION, UH, FOR A FOE WINDOW TO BRING BACK THE SYMMETRY OF THE HOME.
UH, HOWEVER, THE PREVIOUS STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UM, AND THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DENY.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
YES, WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS.
SO IT'S, IT'S JAY ISA BERG THAT'S GOING.
THERE WAS TWO, I THINK SHE CALLED WILLIAM AND THEN SHE CALLED JAY, BUT I THINK IT'S WILLIAM J
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS SO THAT YOU'LL END MY CONFUSION.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL ME THE TRUTH.
OKAY, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT ANY INFORMATION YOU HAVE THAT WE THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER, AND THEN WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE QUESTIONS.
IS THAT BETTER? UH, MY ORIGINAL APPLICATION DID, UM, UM, PROPOSE COVERING UP THE SMALL WINDOW, UH, WITH SIDING.
HOWEVER, I REALIZE THAT'S NOT A, UM, A REALISTIC PROPOSAL.
AND SO I AM PROPOSING TO BUILD A WINDOW FRAME THAT MATCHES THE OTHER WINDOW FRAMES.
THERE ARE, UH, THREE OF THEM, THREE OTHER WINDOW FRAMES FACING GENIA STREET, AND I'M PROPOSING TO BUILD ONE AND PUT IT ON OVER WHERE THE SMALL WINDOW IS WITH GLASS, WHERE YOU CAN'T EXACTLY SEE THROUGH IT.
UM, AND, UH, THAT WILL MATCH THE, UH, THE OTHER WINDOWS IN COLOR.
UH, I'LL PAINT THEM THE SAME COLOR, AND, UH, THAT'S MY PROPOSAL.
UM, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE, EMILY STEVENSON.
CHECKING TO SEE IF WE HAVE EMILY ONLINE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? I CAN CAN HEAR YOU SO FAR.
I CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT ALL RIGHTY.
I'VE GOT MY VIDEO RUNNING, SO, OKAY.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIX THE NUMBER OF LITTLE SQUARES I HAVE TO VIEW.
ALL RIGHT, MA'AM, PLEASE START BY, UH, GIVING ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME IS EMILY STEVENSON AND I LIVE AT 49 28 JUDY, 49 27, EXCUSE ME, JUTH STREET.
AND THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER REGISTERED SPEAKER, JOHN GORLEY, UH, TO FOLLOW ME.
WE JUST GO IN ORDER OF HOW THEY'RE PRINTED ON MY LIST.
SO, UH, YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH OR? YES, MA'AM.
YOU HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES TO STATE WHATEVER YOUR CASE IS? YES, MA'AM.
I AM HERE TO SPEAK AN OPPOSITION OF THE APPLICATION FOR 49 15 JUNIOR STREET.
MR. EISENBERG HAS REQUESTED YOUR APPROVAL FOR WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AND HIS SUGGESTION OR PROPOSAL FOR A FAUX WINDOW.
I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT YOU DENY THAT REQUEST, THE WORK THAT WAS COMPLETED AND THE WORK THAT IS PROPOSED CONTRAVENES THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED IN 1978 TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF MUNGER PLACE.
I'M ASKING THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST.
OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS IN THE FRONT FACADE OF A MAIN BUILDING BE PROPORTIONALLY BALANCED IN A MANNER AND MANNER TYPICAL OF THE STYLE AND PERIOD OF THE BUILDING AND DISTRICT.
THE FRONT FACADE WINDOWS, AS MR. EISENBERG HAS MODIFIED THE HOUSE, ARE NO LONGER PROPORTIONALLY BALANCED.
UM, THE ORDINANCE DOES REFERENCE EXHIBIT 97 L AS AN AS AN EXAMPLE.
UM, AND I CAN PULL THAT UP AT, AT THE END OF MY COMMENTS.
THE ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE SIZE AND PROPORTION OF THE WINDOW AND DOOR OPENINGS BE TYPICAL OF THE STYLE AND PERIOD OF THE BUILDING AND DISTRICT.
THE SIZE AND PROPORTION OF THE ADDED WINDOW ON THE FRONT SIZE IS NOT TYPICAL OF THE STYLE AND PERIOD OF THE BUILDING AS IT WAS.
UM, THE ORDINANCE ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE FRAMES OF
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THE WINDOWS BE TRIMMED IN A MANNER TYPICAL OF THE STYLING PERIOD.AND AGAIN, THE ADDED WINDOW IS NOT TRIMMED IN A MANNER THAT'S TYPICAL OF THE STYLE AND PERIOD.
SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M ASKING THAT YOU DENY THIS REQUEST.
UM, I WILL SHARE MY SCREEN IF I'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES LEFT.
SO THIS IS THE HOME PRIOR TO THE WINDOW BEING REMOVED.
APOLOGIES, THE PHOTOS ARE A LITTLE BIT SKEWED.
THIS IS THE WINDOW THAT MR. EISENBERG COMPLETED WITHOUT APPROVAL.
AND THEN BELOW THAT IS A LITTLE SNIPPET OF THE EXHIBIT THAT'S REFERENCED IN OUR MUNGER PLACE ORDINANCE.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
AND STICK AROUND IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JOHN GORLEY.
DO WE HAVE HIM AVAILABLE? YES.
THEY NEED TO FIND ROOM FOR YOU ON MY SCREEN PLACE.
IS HE ON THERE, ADRIAN? OH, OKAY.
OH, YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
DO I NOT HAVE IT ON? APPARENTLY NOT.
HOW ABOUT THAT, THAT WORK? NO,
UH, START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
I'M JOHN GOMLEY, 49 36 GENIUS MUNGER PLACE I'VE LIVED.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'RE TELLING THE TRUTH? I DO.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO PRESENT YOUR COMMENTARY ON THIS ISSUE.
I HAVE CONSIDERABLE INTEREST IN THE ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE DISTRICT.
HAVING LIVED HERE 32 YEARS, I WAS A MEMBER FOR OF THE MUNGER PLACE, SWISS AVENUE TASK FORCE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
AND THANK YOU ALL ONCE AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
I OPPOSE THIS APPLICATION FOR THE FOLLOWING THREE REASONS.
FIRST, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT VIOLATES THE MUNGER PLACE ORDINANCE ALL WINDOWS AND DOORS ON THE FRONT.
FACADE OF A MAIN BUILDING MUST BE PROPORTIONALLY BALANCED IN A MANNER, TYPICAL STYLE AND PERIOD OF THE BUILDING.
THE SIZE OF THE REPLACEMENT WINDOW DESTROYS THE PROPORTIONS AND BALANCE OF A PERIOD SYMMETRICAL FRONT FACADE.
THE NEW WINDOW IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY, BUT INSTEAD APPROPRIATE TO THE MUNGER PLACE OF THE NINE 1950S AND SIXTIES WHEN HAPHAZARD WINDOW ARRANGEMENTS WERE THE NORM TO ALLOW FOR MORE BATHROOMS AND ROOMING HOUSES.
SECOND, THE OWNER KNEW OR SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE REPLACEMENT A WINDOW REQUIRES A CA.
APPROXIMATELY 15 YEARS AGO, THE APPLICANT REPLACED THE WOODEN PORCH RAILINGS ON THIS PROPERTY WITH METAL RAILINGS.
METAL RAILINGS ARE STRICTLY PROHIBITED BY THE ORDINANCE, YET CITY STAFF REFUSED TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO OBTAIN A CA CITING FINANCIAL HARDSHIP TO ONCE MORE ALLOW THE CLOUDING OF THE ORDINANCE WILL FURTHER LESSEN COMPLIANCE BY LANDLORDS AS WELL AS HOMEOWNERS.
THIRD, GRANTING A CA FOR THIS WINDOW WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE EXTERNAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND FUTURE PRESERVATION OF BOTH THE STRUCTURE IN THE DISTRICT AND THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE.
IF THIS WINDOW IS ALLOWED TO REMAIN, THERE WILL BE NO POSSIBLE RATIONALE FOR LANDMARK COMMISSION TO REFUSE TO ALLOW RESIZING OF ANY AND ALL WINDOWS IN ALL FRONT FACADES OF THE MUNGER PLACE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IN THE THREE DECADES I HAVE LIVED IN MUNGER PLACE, BOTH THE ENFORCEMENT OF AND THE COMPLIANCE TOO, THE ORDINANCE HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE LAX.
THIS IS ALLOWED TO CONTINUE, IS MY FEAR THAT SOON THERE WILL BE NO REASON FOR MUNGER PLACE TO BE A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
AND I HAVE A LETTER, UH, FROM ANOTHER NEIGHBOR WHO, UM, CAN'T BE HERE.
MAKE SURE AND INCLUDE THE NAME OF THE NEIGHBOR.
JULIUS MUNGER PLACE, HE SAYS, WHILE I WOULD PREFER TO BE ABLE TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF MY NEIGHBORS, ALL MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT HOMEOWNERS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO UNDERSTAND AND ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF OUR DISTRICT.
MAJOR FACADE VIOLATIONS SUCH AS THIS ARE DETRIMENTAL OF THE BLOCK FACE AND OVERALL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THUS HARMFUL TO OUR NEIGHBORS THAT PURPOSEFULLY PURCHASED HOMES IN THE PROTECTED HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION SUPPORT THE STAFF AND TASK
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FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS TO DENY THE CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS.MS. JASON HARPER, HE IS A, UH, MEMBER OF THE, UH, PRESERVATION DALLAS BOARD AND THE IMMEDIATE PAST PRESIDENT OF PRESERVATION DALLAS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
CAN I, UH, CAN I PLEASE ADD THAT, UM, ALL OF THE, UM, SPEAKERS, UH, OPPOSED THE SMALL WINDOW, WHICH I UNDERSTAND, AND THAT'S WHY I CAME BACK WITH THE PROPOSAL TO BUILD, UH, A WINDOW OF THE SAME, UH, STYLE, SAME SIZE, SAME MATERIALS, UH, AS WAS THERE AND AS BEING USED IN THE OTHER WINDOWS.
SO THE, UH, SMALL WINDOW WON'T BE SEEN.
I DON'T BELIEVE A PHONE WINDOW HAS ANY PLACE IN THE FRONT FACADE.
AND IT IS, IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IT IS THE FRONT FACADE.
SO I BELIEVE THE SPEAKERS STILL HAVE CONCERNS THAT.
ANYWAY, LET'S HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
UH, THANK YOU, UM, CHAIR, I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
UH, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST TO CLARIFY YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORDINANCE, ARE YOU, WERE YOU AWARE OF THE REGULATIONS WHEN YOU REINSTALLED THIS SMALL? NO, I WASN'T.
I'VE, I'VE NEVER LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I OWN THE HOUSE, UH, BUT I DON'T LIVE THERE.
I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN, BUT I DIDN'T.
SO YOU'VE NEVER DONE A CA ON THE PROPERTY? NO.
UH, OUR NEW COMMISSIONER, MR. FOGEL MEMBER, WOULD LIKE TO SEE NO PRESSURE.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO INSTALL A, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE WINDOW IN THAT LOCATION OF THE CORRECT SIZE? THE, THE REASON IT WAS, UM, DONE THE WAY IT IS, IS, UH, BECAUSE I REMODELED THE INSIDE, UH, AND PUT A BATHROOM IN, UH, OR RE REMODELED THE BATHROOM THAT WAS THERE.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE A WHOLE NEW REMODEL.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE PEOPLE LINED UP.
LET'S LET COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON FINISH WITH WHAT HE WAS GONNA CONTINUE, JUST CLEAR AS DID YOU PULL PERMITS FOR THAT WORK THAT YOU DID? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITY OF WORK.
SO THE INTERIOR BATHROOM, YOU DIDN'T PULL PERMITS FOR THAT EITHER? NO, I DIDN'T.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
SO WE'RE ALL RUNNING ALONG, MR. SWAN, I HAVE A MOTION, IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS, WE HAVE MORE COMMENTS, SO HANG ON.
WHAT, WHAT, SIR, WHAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE WALL WHERE THAT WINDOW IS IN, IN THE BATHROOM? WHAT IS THERE? TILE? OKAY, IF YOU TOOK THE TILE OFF, IS, IS HE JUST PILED OVER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
YOU JUST PUT TILE OVER THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, ON THAT FRONT WALL, THERE'S NOTHING I, I, BESIDES THE TILE, WHAT IS ON WHERE THAT WINDOW WAS? WHAT IS THERE TODAY? TILE AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, PARTY BOARD BACKING.
SO WHAT IF YOU AND, AND, AND ON THE OUTSIDE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S, IT'S, UM, SIDING.
SO I GUESS I'M GOING, I'M TRYING TO GET A CLARIFICATION.
IF YOU PUT THE WINDOW BACK IN AND PUT, UM, BLINDS OR SHUTTERS OVER THAT WINDOW, ON THE INSIDE WE HAVE, IT SAYS REAL WINDOW.
YOU CAN LOOK IN AND OUT OF IT, BUT YOU PUT WINDOW COVERINGS OVER THAT.
WOULD THAT WORK? IN THEORY? IT WOULD.
SO IN THEORY YOU COULD THE WINDOW BACK IN AND PUT SHUTTERS OR LEVER LURE BLINDS OR SOMETHING ON IT AND THAT WOULD WORK? I SUPPOSE SO, YES, IT WOULD BE QUITE AN EXPENSE, BUT YES.
WELL, I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE EXPENSE CUZ YOU'RE KIND OF IN A BAD PLACE RIGHT NOW ANYWAY, SO THANK YOU.
WHO ELSE HAS A QUESTION? IF THERE AREN'T ANY? COMMISSIONER SWAN? I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, JUST THE SPIRIT OF, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO AND JUST UNDERSTANDING THE CONTEXT OF UNDERSTANDING AND INVESTMENT PROPERTIES.
I UNDERSTAND COSTLY, BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME TYPE OF, UH, COMPLIANCE, YOU KNOW, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU'RE SO FAMILIAR WITH AS AN INVESTOR.
SO I THINK THAT IS, UH, THE SPIRIT OF JUST TRYING TO GET IT, UM, BACK, UH,
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UNDERSTANDING YOU'VE HAD SOME COST IN HER, BUT I MEAN, TO BLAME, TO, TO TAKE SOME OF THE BLAME OF THE MISSTEP THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I UNDER, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THAT'S WHERE THAT'S COMMENTS MAY BE COMING FROM, BUT I, I JUST THINK THAT THE SPIRIT OF GETTING IT BACK RECTIFIED TO WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT, A GREAT STEP AND GREAT, UM, POSITION FOR YOU TO DO THAT.THAT'S JUST MY COMMENT AND I THINK COMMISSIONER RENO WANTED TO ASK SOMETHING AND I DIDN'T SEE HIM.
UM, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A BATHROOM THERE PREVIOUSLY OR RATHER BEFORE THE RENOVATION, AND SO IT'S STILL A BATHROOM, UM, EVEN AFTER THE RENOVATION, AND SO LIKELY ANY PRIVACY ISSUE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOME WAS EITHER NOT AN ISSUE OR IS MITIGATED.
UM, DO YOU THE RIGHT WAY TO ASK THIS? UM, WHAT, WHAT HAS CHANGED IN THAT BATHROOM TO, TO MAKE THE CONDITION DIFFERENT? WELL, THE WINDOW IS SMALLER.
UH, THE, UM, THERE'S NOT, NOT AS MUCH EXPOSURE TO THE STREET FROM INSIDE.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LARGE WINDOW TOO, AND IT WAS STILL A BATHROOM, SO IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A SMALLER, UM, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN A SMALLER BATH OR WINDOW, UH, UH, REALLY CHANGED THE CONDITION FROM WHAT IT WAS IN THE VERY BEGINNING AND THAT IT COULD STILL BE THAT.
I THINK WE'RE READY FOR COMMISSIONER SWAN TO MAKE THIS MOTION.
ALRIGHT, IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH 2 66 CM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 49 15 JUNIOR STREET IN THE MUNGER HEIGHTS, UH, MUNGER PLACE, RATHER HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE REQUEST BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, UH, I THINK OUR, OUR, I THINK OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER GUS TIME.
SO NOW WE ARE OPEN TO COMMENTS AND I HAVE ONE I I COM COMPLETELY ATTEST TO THE, UM, THE APPLICANT THAT YOU CAN LIVE FOR 24 YEARS WITH A LARGE WINDOW IN YOUR BATHROOM FACING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHOWER AND NEVER EVER BE SEEN.
BUT SOMETIMES IF I TILT THE BLINDS JUST RIGHT, I CAN HAVE CHEERFUL SUNLIGHT.
SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A BENEFIT TO HAVING A BATHROOM WITH A ADMITTEDLY, UNUSUALLY LARGE WINDOW
AND THE, THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE IS, UM, IT FRANKLY SEEMS TO BE QUITE DEFIANT OF THE SPIRIT OF, OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
AND, UM, I, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THE NEIGHBORS IN MONGO PLACE HAVE NEVER BEFORE EXPRESSED THEIR OPINIONS BECAUSE THEY, THEY REALLY LOVE THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND LIKE TO PRESERVE IT.
SO, UM, THAT IS MY COMMENT ON THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, THEN I THINK WE ARE READY TO VOTE ON OUR MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY.
UH, IT COULD BE APPEALED TO THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
THIS MOTION HAS PASSED, BUT IT INCLUDES A DENIAL.
HOW AM I GONNA MAKE IT? BECAUSE IT INCLUDES A DENIAL.
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO APPEAL TO THE CPC.
THERE IS A FEE INVOLVED WITH THAT OR TO, UM, TO PRETTY MUCH FOLLOW.
WHAT WE'RE HOPING WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THE ORIGINAL WINDOW, OR AS CLOSE TO IT WILL BE REPLACED AND A LOVELY SHADE THOUGHT FOR THE INSIDE TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF THE BATHERS.
AND THIS WILL SATISFY THE NEIGHBORS AND SATISFY US.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN FIND A WAY TO DO THAT.
AND IN THE FUTURE, I WOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO ASK US FIRST BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO UNDO, BECAUSE THAT DOUBLES YOUR COST TO NO GAIN.
OKAY? SO, I'M SORRY SIR, THINGS DIDN'T GO YOUR WAY, BUT, UM, I I, I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS HOUSE BE PROPERLY IN TUNE WITH OUR ORDINANCE FROM NOW ON.
I, WELL, YOU DON'T, YEAH, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND SHOW US WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE WOULD SAY NO TO.
YOU COULD BE WRONG ABOUT WHAT WE THINK.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO PREDICT US.
SO STAFF WILL HELP YOU WITH THAT.
RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D SEVEN.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 44 0 8 GASTON AVENUE IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD
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HISTORIC DISTRICT.THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 87 R D.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, TO REPLACE WINDOWS WITH GLASS WINDOWS ON FRONT FACADE TO REPLACE DOUBLE FRONT ENTRY DOORS TO INSTALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING ON FRONT FACADE TO PAINT EXTERIOR BRICK COLOR GRAY.
AND TO REPLACE FRONT AWNING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS.
WITH RESPECT TO REQUEST NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS REQUEST.
NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL REQUEST.
NUMBER THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL REQUEST.
NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE AND REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
AND WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS.
UH, NATHAN RELANDER, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON.
YOU'VE SEEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF TROUBLE.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR.
UH, 40 20 READING DRIVE, PLANO, TEXAS.
AND YOU SWEAR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH.
OH, JUST LIKE LAST TIME WHEN YOU VISITED
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR I NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN AFTER THE TWO MONTH HIATUS.
I TOOK THE COMMENTS THAT I RECEIVED, UH, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND REWORKED THE PLAN AND THEN GOT SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE AND REWORKED THE PLAN AGAIN.
AND WE'RE KEEPING THE ENTIRE, UM, MID-CENTURY MODERN DESIGN.
UH, WE ARE NOT ALTERING ANY FE STATIONS WHATSOEVER.
UH, IN ORDER TO BE ADA COMPLIANT, WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE PLANTER BOX BENEATH THE LARGE CENTRAL WINDOW, UH, BUT IN THE, THE RAMP.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO REUSE THE STONE FROM THAT PLANTER BOX UNDERNEATH THE WINDOW WIN WINDOW AS RECOMMENDED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE.
ALL WINDOWS ARE GONNA BE CLEAR IN NATURE, BUT UH, FOR THAT LARGE CENTER WINDOW, WHICH IS IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT STONE, UH, IT'S ONLY A 72 INCH TALL WINDOW.
THE, THE SPACE ABOVE THAT, UH, IS THERE'S CINDER BLOCK BEHIND THAT.
AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE WAS TO RETAIN THE MONDRIAN DESIGN OF THE WINDOW.
UH, AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A WINDOW PER SE, THAT AREA ABOVE THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO GO IN WITH LIKE MUTED COLOR GLASS, WHICH ACTUALLY WOULD BE, UH, IN KEEPING WITH A MORE MONDRIAN DESIGN.
SO ANYTHING THAT IS A WINDOW WOULD HAVE CLEAR GLASS AND THE, UH, THE AREA ABOVE THAT LARGE CENTRAL WINDOW WOULD BE MUTED EARTH TONES, THREE DIFFERENT SHADES TO, UH, TO ACCENT THE, UH, THE MID-CENTURY MODERN DESIGN, A LIGHTING FEATURE TO THE LEFT.
AND, UH, A NEW FRONT DOORS AS DR.
DUNN SPOKE ABOUT THIS MORNING IN THE MEETING WITH, UH, WITH WINDOWS INSET TO MIMIC THE WINDOWS THAT ARE, UH, ON THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING.
AND THEN TO ESSENTIALLY, UH, PUT A, PUT A NEW AWNING OVER THE TOP OF THE DOOR THAT IS SHORTER THAN IS CURRENTLY THERE, BUT DOESN'T, UH, DOESN'T EXTEND ANY FURTHER TO THE LEFT, IT WOULD JUST BE ESSENTIALLY REPLACING WHAT'S THERE AND MAKING IT SH SHORTER BY CUTTING OFF A PORTION TO THE RIGHT OF THE DOOR.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? NO QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS.
OH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN DOES.
THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TO SEE US AGAIN.
UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT IN MY OPINION, FOR US TO DESIGN FROM THE HORSESHOE, EVEN IF WE'RE HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT CHANGES THE APPLICANTS PROPOSING THEY BE ALLOWED TO MAKE THAT AREN'T REFLECTED IN THEIR INITIAL APPLICATION.
UM, IN FACT, I HAD ALREADY WRITTEN OUT MY MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ALL ITEMS. AND SO I'M A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO ADJUST THOSE THINGS BECAUSE YOU'RE SEEKING ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AWNING AND YOU'RE ALSO SEEKING AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT WITH RELATION TO THE GLASS ITSELF IN THE CENTER AREA ABOVE THE EXISTING WINDOW.
BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE HOW WE COULD MAKE A MISSTEP.
WE COULD, WE COULD BE OPERATING UNDER CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS THAT AREN'T REFLECTED IN A WRITTEN APPLICATION WITH EITHER, YOU KNOW, A SAMPLE PICTURE OR A CLEAR EVIDENCE.
SO WE'D BE JUST KIND OF SHOOTING FROM THE HIP AND MAKING STUFF UP.
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YOU, THE RENDERING THAT'S ON THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU NOW, AND THEN THERE IS A CORRESPONDING, UH, DRAWING THAT WAS PART OF THAT THAT SHOWS THE AWNING AS I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE.THE, THE PRIOR, UM, SUBMISSION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE, UH, HAD A, A, A A DIFFERENT DESIGN TO BRICK ABOVE AND BENEATH THAT LARGE CENTRAL WINDOW.
THEY WANTED TO RETAIN THE MONDRIAN DESIGN.
SO, SO I RETOOLED THIS PLAN SINCE THAT TIME AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, UM, I MEAN THE, THE, THE RENDERING AND THE DRAWING BOTH REFLECT THE SIZE OF THE, UH, AWNING AND, UH, WHAT I'M SEEKING TO DO WITH THE WINDOWS.
SO I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE FOR STAFF IS, IS THE IMAGE SHOWN HERE IN FRONT OF US AND THE IMAGE SHOWN ON E 77, THEY ARE THE SAME.
DOES THAT REFLECT YOUR RECOMMENDATION? RIGHT, BUT THE TASK FORCE PREFERS THAT WINDOWS BE COLORIZED IN PROFESSIONAL NO, I'M SORRY.
MR. RELANDER HAD A PLAN SUCH THAT STARTING WITH THE CENTRAL WINDOW, YOU SEE THE, UH, IT'S LIKE, UM, COLORED AT THE TOP AND CLEAR AT THE BOTTOM.
WELL, IN HIS PREVIOUS PLAN THAT WAS BRICKED OVER BECAUSE BEHIND THAT UPPER HALF THERE'S CINDER BLOCK.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I REMEMBER THAT.
SO, SO, SO ALL WINDOWS WILL BE CLEAR GLASS.
THE UPPER PORTION OF THAT CENTRAL WINDOW FEATURE, THOUGH IS NOT A WINDOW, IT'S, IT'S CURRENTLY JUST BLACK LEXAN, BUT IT ONLY COVERS CINDER BLOCK.
I'M, I'M ASKING TO GO BACK WITH LIKE MUTED TONE TINTED GLASS, NOT AS A WINDOW BECAUSE THERE IS NO WINDOW, BUT JUST AS A DESIGN FEATURE TO ACCENTUATE THE MID-CENTURY MODERN MONITORING DESIGN TO WHICH STAFF WOULD RESPOND, STAFF WOULD RESPOND.
IN OTHER WORDS, I'M OKAY WITH HIM TAKING THE END TASK FORCE AS WELL, HIM TAKING THE DESIGN UP TO THE ROOF.
MY CONCERN IS COULD WE POSSIBLY PUT SOMETHING BEHIND THE WINDOWS MAYBE AS OPPOSED TO MUTED COLORS, I THINK IS WHAT THE TERM IS BEING USED AS.
NOW SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE COLORED GLASS IS WHAT MY CONCERN IS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND COMMISSIONER SHEERMAN, YOU'RE A MICUS TITLE.
MY QUESTION IS, WE HAVE AN EXISTING COLORED GLASS WINDOW AND YOU WANT TO PUT MORE GLASS UP IN FRONT OF THE, THE, THE CONCRETE BLOCK, CORRECT? YES SIR.
BUT TECHNICALLY WHAT'S THERE NOW IS BLACK BLACKED OUT LEXAN.
I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION OR CONCERN IS HOW DO WE HAVE THREE-FOURTHS OF A WINDOW AND GLASS AND THE ONE-FOURTH OF A WINDOW, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME? AND HOW WILL IT LOOK? WILL IT, WILL IT APPEAR LIKE IT'S ONE WINDOW OR WILL IT APPEAR LIKE IT'S A WINDOW BUNCH OF GLASS ABOVE IT? I MEAN, I, IT'S, IT'S UNUSUAL TO MAKE A WINDOW BIGGER WHEN IT'S NOT REALLY A WINDOW.
SO I JUST WANTED THAT, MY QUESTION IS WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
DO YOU HAVE A, A PHOTO OF THE BUILDING AS IT EXISTS CURRENTLY IN AVAILABLE TO YOU? WE CAN PROBABLY, HOLD ON, LET'S
THIS IS HOW THE BUILDING LOOKS NOW.
SO, SO THERE IS CURRENTLY IN THE, THAT YOU GOT THAT CENTRAL WINDOW FEATURE? YEAH, HALF OF THAT IS GLASS.
THE BOTTOM HALF OF THAT WINDOW FEATURE IS GLASS IN THE TOP HALF IS BLACKED OUT LEXAN, WHICH IS ONLY IN FRONT OF CINDER BLOCK.
AND SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS NOT CHANGING THE DESIGN OF THAT AT ALL, BUT SIMPLY REPLACING THE GLASS PART WITH NUCLEAR GLASS
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AND THE LEXAN PART WITH MUTED COLOR GLASS TO ACCENTUATE, ACCENTUATE THE MODERN AREA DESIGN.I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT CURRENTLY THERE THERE'S A WINDOW AND THEN THERE'S LANNE.
WELL, THE WINDOW MULLIONS WILL ALL BE THE SAME.
BUT WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS WE HAVE A WINDOW AND THEN WE HAVE A LEXAN AREA THAT KIND OF COORDINATES WITH THE WINDOW.
WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF DOING IS YOU WANT TO PUT IN A FULL WINDOW, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THE FULL WINDOW AND THE REAL WINDOW WILL LOOK TOGETHER.
CUZ RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE SIMILAR.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA READ RIGHT, BUT IT'S GONNA READ WRONG.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH DIFFERENT THAT IS THAN HOW MUCH DIFFERENT THAT IS THAN IT PRESENTLY IS RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST BLACKED OUT LANNE, WHICH IS, I I I KNOW, I KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT.
IT'S JUST THIS IS ALL NEW INFORMATION AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE, AS COMMISSIONER SHERMAN MENTIONED THAT WE SHOULD DO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE.
AND IT'S SORT OF A QUESTION THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DESIGN IT FROM THE HORSESHOE AND THAT'S PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE.
IS IT ALL PART OF THE SAME FRAMING SYSTEM THAT'S GOING TO REMAIN? YES, SIR.
YEAH, THE FRAMING SYSTEM REMAINS, WE'RE SIMPLY REPLACING WHAT IS INSERTED INTO THE FRAME.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A INFILL SPANDREL UNIT THAT'S BACK PAINTED WITH A WARM GRAY OR WHATEVER THE PAINT IS ON THE BACK.
SO, SO WHAT I INTEND TO DO TO AT LEAST GET A, A, UM, A UNIFORM COLOR, BUT WE TALKING ABOUT THE UPPER HALF OF THIS LAR OKAY? MM-HMM.
I WILL, I, MY INTENTION IS TO PAINT THIS CONCRETE BLOCK OF UNIFORM COLOR SO THAT YOU GET CONSISTENCY.
AND THEN MY PREFERENCE IS TO GO BACK WITH THREE DIFFERENT SHADES, UH, OF, OF GLASS TO PROVIDE A, AN INTERESTING ARCHITECTURAL, UM, ARTISTIC FEATURE.
I DON'T, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RADO? UM, WELL, LET'S SEE.
MAYBE THIS IS MORE OF AN OBSERVATION.
UM, OF, UH, MID-CENTURY BUILDINGS, ACTUALLY PROBABLY INTO THE SEVENTIES.
UM, THERE WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WERE, UH, WHERE THERE'S VISION GLASS AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SPANDREL GLASS.
BASICALLY IT'S COMING, IT'S SPANDREL GLASS IS COVERING UP THE STRUCTURAL SYSTEM OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, WHICH IN THIS CASE IT'S THE SAME.
AND IN A NUMBER OF THOSE INSTANCES, THE GLASS WAS, UH, WAS MIRRORED SO THAT DURING THE DAY FROM THE OUTSIDE, IT WOULD LOOK LIKE ONE CONTINUOUS SURFACE.
IT WAS ONLY AT NIGHTTIME THAT YOU'D SEE LIGHTS FROM THE INSIDE AND YOU'D SEE THE, YOU KNOW, THE STRUCTURAL PIECES BEING THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THIS CASE, IN THIS CASE IT'S LANNE AS OPPOSED TO GLASS, THAT WAS PROBABLY MORE TO, TO MAKE THAT MORE, UH, OPAQUE, UH, TO COVER UP AGAIN THE STRUCTURAL, UH, COMPONENTS OF THE BUILDING BACK BEHIND IT.
UM, IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS IF THE VISION GLASS IS IN FACT REFLECTIVE OR IF IT'S CLEAR.
UM, COULD YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT? MY INTENTION, SIR, IS, WELL, RIGHT NOW IT'S TINTED GLASS AND MY INTENTION IS TO GO BACK WITH CLEAR GLASS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDINANCE, UH, UH, FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BUT, UM, FOR THE, THE PORTION ABOVE, I, I THOUGHT COLORED GLASS MIGHT LOOK GOOD AND, AND HONOR THE MANIAN DESIGN.
UH, I MEAN, I, BUT I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH REFLECTIVE GLASS AND, AND WHAT I, WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO IS GO BACK WITH GLASS OF SOME SORT RATHER THAN LEXAN BECAUSE I, I THINK THE LEXAN IS TERRIBLY UNATTRACTIVE.
AND, UM, SO I'D, I'D LIKE TO HAVE GLASS AND WHAT THAT GLASS LOOKS LIKE.
IT PROBABLY ONLY SHOULDN'T BE PERFECTLY CLEAR BECAUSE THEN ALL YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT IS CONCRETE BLOCK BEHIND IT.
SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING TO DO THAT'S INTERESTING AND, AND HONORS THE MID-CENTURY MODERN DESIGN.
I AGREE AND UNDERSTAND THE, THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GO.
UM, I WOULD LIKE, OR I THINK FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE COMMISSION, IF WE COULD SEE BETTER PHOTOGRAPHS OR MORE CLEAR PHOTOGRAPHS OF WHAT THE EXISTING GLASS IN THE OFFICE LOOKS LIKE, NOT KNOCK THEM UP ABOVE.
UM, ARE YOU TALK, SO DO YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE PACKAGE IN FRONT OF YOU? BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE
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BUILDING, UH, AND CLOSEUPS TOO OF THE, OF LIKE THE, THE, UH, FRAMING AND THINGS OF THE CENTRAL WINDOW.WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? LOOK AT PAGE 6 34.
I THINK THAT'S A STAMPED PICTURE.
AND THAT PICTURE ALSO SORT OF, SORT OF SHOWS US THAT THE, UM, FRAMEWORK HOLDING THE, THE GLASS IS SOMEWHAT MORE, UM, SUBSTANTIAL
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? THAT'S KIND OF, I'M THINKING IT'S INCONCLUSIVE.
I MEAN, YOU CAN DEFINITELY TELL THE SPAND PORTION OF THE LANNE PORTION IS BLACK AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THE VISION PORTION IS NOT
SO, UH, EVEN TODAY THERE'S, THERE'S SOME INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN TRYING TO MAKE IT ALL LOOK LIKE ONE, ONE POINT.
HOWEVER, I MEAN, THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING WITH MULTICOLORS AS OPPOSED TO ONE, UM, SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN THE WRONG DIRECTION TO GO.
I, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A UNIFORM TO THE, TO THE, UH, I'M, I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE.
I THOUGHT THE MULTICOLOR GLASS MIGHT BE A COOL DESIGN FEATURE, BUT IF, IF, IF THE ONLY THING STANDING BETWEEN ME AND APPROVAL IS REFLECT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A REFLECTIVE GLASS ON THE UPPER HALF, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO, TO DO THAT.
MADAM CHAIRPERSON, THIS COMMISSIONER? NO, I HAVE A QUESTION TO MR. RELANDER.
WE'VE GOT KIND OF GOT A LINE GOING NOW.
ARE YOU FINISHED MR. RENO? YEAH, I, UM, I AM, I I CAN'T REALLY COME WITH OR SUGGEST ANYTHING THAT'S DECISIVE AT THIS MOMENT.
AND I KNOW MR. ANDERSON WANTS TO GO, BUT WE FIRST HAVE TO LET THOSE WHO HAVE NOT COMMENTED YET GO OR ASK QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
AND THAT WOULD BE COMMISSIONER GUEST.
MY QUESTION IS, WOULD, AND THEN COMMISSIONER OSA, I'M NOT FORGETTING, WERE THE GLASS COLORS CHOSEN AFTER THE LAST TASK FORCE MEETING? YES, SIR.
AND I'M, I'M HESITANT TO, TO, UH, APPROVE ANYTHING THAT, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN ADDED SINCE THE TASK FORCE IF IT WASN'T SPECIFICALLY ASKED FOR BY THE TASK FORCE.
UH, I SEE THAT THE STAFF RECOMMEND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF ALL THE ITEMS EXCEPT, UH, THE PAINTING OF THE EXTERIOR BRICK.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. RELANDER, IF YOU WERE WILLING TO CHANGE THE, THE COLOR OF THE GLASS THAT YOU MIGHT BE WILLING TO LEAVE THE EXTERIOR BRICK COLOR AS IS? UH, I THINK I WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT.
I, YES MA'AM, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO HASN'T HAD A QUESTION ON THIS ONE YET? WHO HAS ONE THAT THEY WISH TO VOICE? I DON'T HAVE QUESTION.
WELL THIS, I THINK MR. ANDERSON STILL HAS A QUESTION THEN FIRST, WE'LL FURTHER THE MOTION.
UM, I AGREE THAT I THINK THE TASK FORCE MAY, YOU MAY NEED TO SEE THIS AGAIN.
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MY CONCERN IS THAT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S INTENTIONAL NOW THAT WE HAVE A WINDOW AND A AREA ABOVE THE WINDOW THAT KIND OF COORDINATES, BUT IT'S NOT A WINDOW.MY CONCERN IS IF WE PUT A FULL WINDOW UP THERE, IS IT GONNA READ AS SUCH? AND ALSO WHAT HAPPENS AT NIGHT WHEN YOU TURN THE LIGHTS ON AND HALF THE WINDOW LIGHTS UP AND HALF THE WINDOW IS DARK, IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE BIT UNRU TO THE ARCHITECTURE, THE BUILDING.
SO I'D RATHER HAVE THE TASK FORCE LOOK AT THIS AND MAYBE GET AN IDEA HOW THIS ALL WORKS TOGETHER.
CUZ I THINK THIS IS AN AWFUL LOT TO LOOK AT AT THIS POINT.
NOW, THE TASK FORCE DOES KNOW THAT THERE IS A WINDOW AT THE TOP AND THEY WERE THE ONES THAT RECOMMENDED THAT MR. RYLANDER CONTINUE THE MEN MONITORING DESIGN.
BUT WHAT WAS NEW IS HIM COLORING OR TINTING THE WINDOWS.
THAT'S WHAT'S NEW IN WHAT HE'S PROPOSING TODAY.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.
HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC GLASS AND COLOR FOR WHAT YOU HAVE PROPOSED TODAY FOR YOUR COLOR SYSTEM OR OURS? THIS JUST A VAGUE IDEA CUZ THAT WAS PART OF OUR CONCERN.
WE CAN'T JUST SAY YES, THAT PICTURE LOOKS LOVELY.
MAKE IT LIKE THAT BECAUSE, WELL, WE, I MIGHT NOT EVEN BE SEEING THE PICTURE TRUE ON OUR, UM, Y YES MA'AM, I, UH, IT'S PART OF MY MATERIALS SCHEDULE THAT I SUBMITTED WITH MY PACKAGE.
THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT SHADES OF GLASS, UH, THAT I SUBMITTED, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT COLOR PATTERN.
SO I THINK WE'RE, MR. SWAN NOW HAS A QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THIS A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE WAS PAINTED LANNE, IS THAT TRUE? YES, SIR.
CURRENTLY I HAVEN'T DONE ANY WORK.
AND DO WE, DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WAS INSTALLED AND DO WE KNOW WHAT IT, WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHEN THE BUILDING WAS FIRST BUILT? SIR, THIS IS 1970 CONSTRUCTION.
JUST, UH, HAVE YOU DONE, UH, UH, BUILD DOES BUILDING ARCHEOLOGY SUGGESTS THAT THIS WAS ALWAYS, UH, OBSCURED? LIKE THE, THE PLACE BEHIND THE WINDOW WAS ALWAYS SOLID? YES.
IT, THE REST OF THE BUILDING IS, IS CONCRETE BLOCK WITH A BRICK VENEER.
SO IT'S REALLY NOT APPROPRIATE.
UH, IT SEEMS TO CALL THIS A FULL WINDOW SO MUCH AS, UH, COMMISSIONER RENO IS, UH, CALLING IT, UH, UH, UH, GLASS BAND PANEL.
THE, THE TOP HALF IS SIMPLY A DESIGN FEATURE.
SO YOU'RE DIFFERENTIATING, UH, AND, AND BELOW THE TINTED GLASS, IS IT CLEAR GLASS? IT IS WELL BELOW WHAT IS CURRENTLY LEXAN IS TINTED GLASS.
BUT SO WHAT, WHAT SHOWS ON THE RENDERING THAT YOU SEE THAT IS COLORED IS CURRENTLY BLACK LEXAN.
AND WHAT IS BENEATH THAT IS A GLASS WINDOW IN A MONDRIAN DESIGN, BUT IT IS TINTED GLASS.
AND, UM, IT'S HARD TO SEE SOME OF THESE, THESE WERE YOU DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THE TENT COLOR TEXTURE, SOMETHING BETWEEN THE SPAND GLASS AND THE, UH, AND THE VIEW GLASS? THE VIEW GLASS IS GONNA BE CLEAR IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THE, THE SPACE ABOVE IT IS GOING THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE CONCRETE BLOCK IS THE TINTED GLASS.
AND IS THAT, UH, ECHOING, MEMORIALIZING SOMEHOW THE GLASS THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY TINTED BELOW IT? OR DO I MISUNDERSTAND? NO, NO, NO.
IT'S NOT MEMORIALIZING ANYTHING.
UH, THE MONDRIAN DESIGN TYPICALLY DOES HAVE GLASS COLORS IN IT, RIGHT.
BUT, BUT NO, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST TAKING, UH, WHAT IS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE? I'M TRYING TO ENHANCE IT A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE SHOULD BE TREATING IT LIKE A SPANDREL PANEL, NOT LIKE WE JUST, YOU KNOW, HAD AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FULL WINDOWS THAT YES, SIR, ARE TRYING TO LOOK LIKE WINDOWS, BUT THERE'S NOTHING BEHIND THE, WHEREAS THIS IS GLASS SPANDREL.
I THINK WE'RE, ARE YOU READY FOR MOTION? I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION ACTUALLY.
BUT, UM, WHO WANTS TO, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT THE COMMISSION WILL GET PAGE IF THEY HAVE NOT BON PAGE 6 39 OF 8 82, WHICH SHOWS THE COLORATIONS OF THE, THE GLASS PIECES THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR SECTION EIGHT, WHICH IS THE UPPER SECTION OF THE MIDDLE WINDOW, UM, THAT COVERS THE AREAS BEHIND THAT ARE, UM, SYAL, CORRECT? MM-HMM.
UM, SO I'M GONNA MAKE A STAB AT THIS, AND IF THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN'T LIVE WITH, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO OFFER A FRIENDLY,
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FRIENDLY EMOTION.I MEAN, NO MOTION
BECAUSE I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I'LL PREFACE THIS BY, I LIKE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, UM, IN THE IMAGE THAT DEPICTS HOW THIS BUILDING COULD LOOK.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, IN THE MATTER OF D D SEVEN, WHICH IS CA A 2 23 DASH 2 87 RD, ALSO KNOWN AS 44 0 8 GASTON AVENUE, I MOVE THAT WITH RESPECT TO ITEM ONE, WE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS THAT, WHICH IS THE, THE WINDOW REPLACEMENT, THAT THE, UM, SECTION SEVEN, WHICH IS THE LOWER PORTION OF THE MIDDLE WINDOW, THE CLEAR GLASS AS THE APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY HAD INDICATED.
AND THAT SECTION EIGHT, THE, A MIXTURE OF THE, UM, COLORATION SHOWN IN THE ILLUSTRATION AS WELL AS THE ON PAGE 6 39 AT 8 82.
UM, THAT BEING THE, UM, THE BLUEGREEN, THE BRONZE AND EVERGREEN AND THAT WITH RESPECT TO ITEM TWO, WHICH IS REPLACEMENT OF THE DOUBLE ENTRY FRONT DOORS THAT BE APPROVED.
ITEM THREE, UM, THE INSTALLATION OF EXTERIOR LIGHTING BE APPROVED.
ITEM FOUR, PAINTING OF THE BRICK EXTERIOR BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
AND ITEM FIVE, THE FRONT AWNING REPLACEMENT BE APPROVED.
UM, ITEMS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE ARE ALL PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REASONS OUTLINED IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE GUIDELINES FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING AND BUILDINGS AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STEAM.
SECOND, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND MR. SWAN.
UM, I DUNNO IF THERE ARE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL ABOUT THAT WINDOW AREA MEETS THE SPIRIT OF WHAT WAS EXISTING THERE WITH THE COLORS ADJUSTED TO PERHAPS COM BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE OVERALL CODE OF SCHEME PROPOSED ON THE BUILDING.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION AND I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE A MOTION INCLUDING THE CHANGE OF THE COLORS.
AND FOR THE CLARIFICATION, IT'S A CLEAR WINDOW WITH A GLASS LIGHT SPAND ABOVE IT, SO IT IS NOT A HALF FULL WINDOW.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
YES, SINCE, UH, MR. RELANDER IS WILLING TO, UH, LEAVE THE BRICK AS IS AND NOT PAINT IT, CAN WE JUST GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS SO THAT WE CAN GET HIM GOING? OH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE MOTION IS.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE MOTION IS TO APPROVE EVERYTHING EXCEPT THAT ONE.
WELL, NO, THE BRICK SAYING AND HE DOESN'T MIND THAT CAN, YEAH.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADD AN AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING TO, TO ALLOW HIM TO LEAVE THE BRICK AS IS ON ITEM FOUR, UH, SO THAT WE CAN APPROVE ITEM FOUR AND NOT DENY IT? NO, ITEM FOUR WAS TO PAINT THE BRICK, AND HE'S AGREED WITH US THAT HE NO LONGER WISHES TO PAINT THE BRICK.
SO WE'RE DENYING WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REQUEST TO THANK THE BRICK AND IT'S JUST GONNA STAY THE WAY IT IS.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S THE END RESULT I WANTED.
YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE HIM ALONG.
IT IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, GUEST.
YEAH, I'M JUST GONNA STAY WITH MY ORIGINAL COMMENT THAT, UM, I, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS MOTION WITH THE FACT THAT, UH, THE TASK FORCE HAS NOT SEEK AND APPROVED THE COLORS FOR A GLASS.
ANYMORE FAIR THAN WE MOVED TO VOTING ON THIS? ALL THOSE IN PAPER OF THIS PROPOSAL, THIS MOTION? AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
AYE, THIS COMMISSIONER GUEST STANDALONE IN THAT.
ALL RIGHT,
BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL TALKED
OKAY? SO I HOPE YOU ARE GOOD ENOUGH.
I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY AND PROCEED.
I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED THIS LITTLE BUILDING AND I PASSED BY IT REGULARLY, SO I TOOK WATCH IT COME BACK TO LIFE.
OKAY? I I TOOK YOUR HARM, UH, COMMENTS TO HEART, UH, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.
NO ONE ELSE EVER HAS MONTGOMERY
YOU, YOU REALLY LIKE THE MID-CENTURY MODERN DESIGN.
WELL, EVERYBODY'S GOT AN OPINION AND MINE'S USUALLY THE WRONG ONE, BUT I'M GLAD SOMEONE IS MY FRIEND.
OKAY,
WE ARE NOW GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF BREAK BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TWO HOURS SINCE ANY OF US COULD, YOU KNOW.
UM, WE HAVE ONE PERSON LEFT HERE.
WHICH ITEM ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON?
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IT'S OKAY.THEN YOU
YOU COULD LEAVE
SO LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.
BUT IT, IT, IT'S JUST A CONFUSING BUILDING AND HE'S TRYING TO TURN THE FUNERAL HOME FOR SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
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COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, THANK YOU FOR LETTING HIM KEEP THAT WINDOW.I JUST COULDN'T JUSTIFY IT WITH THE ORDER
ABOUT ALL YOU CAN DO IS YOUR EMAIL.
THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IS A LITTLE UPSET WITH ME, BUT, UH, SUCH HIS WIFE ABOUT THAT 10TH STREET ROAD ION, HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
HE THOUGHT HE COULD APPEAL A COURTESY REVIEW AND SO I HAD TO EXPLAIN.
HE CAN'T APPEAL A COURTESY REVIEW.
YES, HE'S UP ON JEFFERSON STREET.
YEAH, CUZ HE WAS ONE OF THOSE, WHY ARE YOU EMAILING ME ON SUNDAY? NO, THAT'S, I, HE EMAILED ME ON SUNDAY AND I'M BUT
SO ELAINE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BRIEFING ROOM BEHIND THE CHAMBERS.
UH, UM, MAYOR BROOK, I ALWAYS GET HER NAME FLIPPED AROUND.
CAROLYN ARNOLD? NO, CAROLYN FROM ARNOLD.
HER MAJE, ANDREA TECHNICAL SON WAS BLEEDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY SHE WAS MM-HMM.
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WHAT TIME DO YOU HAVE TO LEAVE THAT WAY?SO WE'RE BACK IN SESSION AND WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH D TWO.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 2 7 22 RIDGEWAY STREET, JULIUS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 2 2 WHAT? OKAY, CA 2 23 2 76 CM, UH, THREE REQUEST.
FIRST REQUEST IS, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATION TO REPLACE EXISTING WINDOWS WITH LEGACY DOUBLE HOG WINDOWS.
NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SIDING AND REPAIR BRICK.
NUMBER THREE, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PAINT EXTERIOR WITH EXISTING SHERWIN WILLIAMS COLORS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, INITIALLY WAS TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE ITEM NUMBER ONE.
UM, THAT WAS BEFORE ALL THE, UH, PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE WINDOWS WERE SUBMITTED.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, APPROVE AND TASK FORCE, UH, DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, UH, REQUESTING ADDITIONAL PHOTOS.
THEY DID NOT SUBMIT ALL THE PHOTOS BY THE TIME TASK FORCE, UH, MEETING CAME, BUT THEY HAVE RECENTLY SUBMITTED ADDITIONAL PHOTOS AND DOCUMENTATION, SO SHOWING THE CONDITION OF THE EXISTING WINDOWS AND SIDING.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UM, A SPEAKER.
WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP.
THE FIRST IS ELIZABETH WALKER, AND, UM, I SEE YOU ONLINE.
WOULD YOU PLEASE START BY GIVING ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? UH, SURE.
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH WALKER AND MY ADDRESS IS 67 14 SANTA ANITA DRIVE IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO BE INCREDIBLY TRUTHFUL WITH US,
UM, SO AS A COMPLIANCE PROFESSIONAL
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IN MY OWN JOB, I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ADHERING TO THESE HISTORICAL ORDINANCES.UM, THIS PROJECT HAS A LOT OF, UM, EMOTIONAL VALUE TO US AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS A FAMILY MEMBER'S HOME WHO HAS BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE AND THEY WERE FORCED TO MOVE OUT CUZ THEY COULDN'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
AND THAT'S WHEN ME AND MY HUSBAND DECIDED TO TAKE OVER THE CLEANING OUT OF THIS HOME.
UM, AND THE RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THIS HISTORICAL HOME, UM, WE STARTED CLEANING IT OUT IN 2020.
SO IT'S BEEN YEARS OF US GETTING TO THIS POINT.
UM, MY HUSBAND ACTUALLY TEACHES AT LIPSCOMB ELEMENTARY DOWN THE STREET.
SO THIS IS A VERY EXCITING THING FOR US AS WELL.
UM, AND OUR, OUR, I I KNOW PHILIP WILL SPEAK NEXT.
UH, HE'S OUR BUILDER WITH KIND OF MORE SPECIFICS, BUT WE DON'T INTEND TO CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE FRONT FACADE.
WE WANNA MAINTAIN ITS HISTORICAL ACCURACY IS TO THE LETTER AS POSSIBLE.
WE JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO, UM, REPLACE WINDOWS WHERE NEEDED AND, UM, REPAIR THE LEADED GLASS WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE FACADE.
UM, ANY TRIM OR SIDING THAT NEEDS TO BE PAINTED OR REPAIRED, BE, UM, REPAIRED WITH, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE WOOD SIDING IN ADHERENCE TO THE ORDINANCE AND THEN, UM, PAINTED THE EXISTING COLOR OF THE SIDING.
WE DO NOT INTEND TO PAINT THE BRICK.
UM, I THINK THAT IS STATED IN OUR APPLICATION AS WELL.
AND THEN, UM, FOR THE NON-PROTECTED FACADE AREA, SO THE BACK 50% OF THE HOUSE, UM, JUST REPLACING THE HISTORIC WINDOWS, UM, WITH HISTORICALLY ACCURATE WOODEN WINDOWS.
JUST WE WANNA MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL LOOK OF THE HOME, BUT WE ALSO WANT, YOU KNOW, AN ENERGY EFFICIENT, SAFE HOME FOR OUR FAMILY GOING FORWARD.
SO, UM, THAT IS THE INTENTION.
AND STICK AROUND FOR QUESTIONS AND WE WILL NEXT HEAR FROM OUR OTHER SPEAKER.
PHILIP MASON, DO WE HAVE PHILIP AVAILABLE? YES, I'M HERE.
STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO SEE YOU.
I THINK I CAN SHARE YOUR CAMERA.
SOMETIMES AT THE BOTTOM THERE'S A LITTLE PLACE WHERE YOU CHOOSE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON OR OFF.
SOMETIMES IT'S AT THE TOP, BUT I THINK IT'S USUALLY AT THE BOTTOM.
UM, ALL I'VE GOT HERE IS MY MUTE AND I'M LOOKING, GO BACK HERE REAL QUICK.
WHAT DOES THAT SAY? START YOUR FORWARD, MOVE ME.
WE HAVE YOU NOW WE CAN SEE YOU AND YOUR FRIEND.
SO BEGIN MY WIFE, MR. MASON, BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
I'M AT 7 22 GAYWOOD DRIVE IN RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRMING TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES, MA'AM.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE.
YOU THINK WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME, UH, TO, TO PRESENT OUR, OUR REQUEST TO THE COMMISSION.
UM, I'VE BEEN BUILDING, UH, IN, IN, UM, IN EAST DALLAS AND SOUTH DALLAS, AND MAINLY IN CONSERVATION AND HISTORIC HOMES SINCE THE MID NINETIES.
AND SO I'M VERY AWARE OF THE NEED FOR, UM, PRECISE, UH, APPLICATION OF THE, OF THE, UM, OF THE, UM, UH, OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE NEEDED TO MAKE THESE HO HOMES AS CLOSE TO HISTORICALLY, UH, CORRECT AS POSSIBLE DURING THE RENOVATION PROCESS.
SO I I'M CERTAINLY AWARE OF WHAT THAT IS.
UM, AS, UH, ELIZABETH WAS MENTIONING, OUR, OUR PURPOSE, UH, HERE IS TO TRY TO, UM, BRING THIS AMAZING HOME BACK TO, ITS, ITS ORIGINAL LOOK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UM, WITH, WITH THE, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO, TO CHANGE OUT THESE WINDOWS, MOST OF WHICH ARE INOPERABLE AND SEVERAL OF WHICH ARE COMPLETELY, UM, AND, AND, AND ES IS DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO MULTIPLE WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE THAT HAD TO HAVE BEEN PUT IN, UM, WELL AFTER THE HOUSE WAS BUILT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE BASED ON, AS YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE PICTURES, THERE'S SOME LOUVERED WINDOWS, UH, THAT OF COURSE MUST HAVE BEEN SWITCHED OUT FROM THE ORIGINAL WOODEN ONES.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE, UH, VINYL WINDOWS THAT ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, SO OUR, OUR OUR, OUR, OUR REQUEST HERE IS THAT WE CAN, IF WE CAN POSSIBLY, UM, UH, CONFORM TO THE COMMISSION'S, UM, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR WHAT TYPES OF WINDOWS, UH, WE CAN PUT AND WHERE WE CAN PUT THOSE, THAT REALLY IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL, UM, IS TO, IS TO, IS TO PUT BACK WHAT, UH, WHAT WHAT IS, UH, APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOUSE.
UM, WE ARE, WE ARE LOOKING, I KNOW IT SAYS ON HERE, THESE ARE LEGACY TWO 50 WINDOWS.
UNFORTUNATELY IN MY ORIGINAL EMAIL TO,
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UH, MR. UH, VANNA, WE, WE ACTUALLY REQUESTED THE, UH, GELVIN 2,500 CLAD SERIES, WHICH IS A TRUE, UH, CLAD WINDOW, A DIVIDED LIGHT WINDOW.UM, AND SO LIKE, LIKE, UH, LIZER SAID, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO PUT IN SOMETHING THAT'S FAR MORE EFFICIENT.
WE'LL KEEP ALL THE STAINED GLASS WINDOWS, WE'LL RENOVATE THOSE AND CLEAN 'EM UP AND, AND, AND PUT 'EM BACK IN PLACE.
ALL THE ONES THAT ARE THE ORIGINAL STAINED GLASS WINDOWS.
OF COURSE WE WILL, WE WILL DO THAT.
UM, BUT WE JUST WANT SOME DIRECTION ON HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE REPLACEMENT WINDOWS AND PUT IN SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE EFFICIENT SO THEY CAN, THEY CAN LIVE THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING THEIR FAMILY IN THERE.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER OF OUR APPLICANTS? WELL, I DO, DID YOU SAY THOSE ARE WOOD CLAD WINDOWS OR WOOD? YES.
THE, UH, THE GEL ONE, THERE'S TWO SERIES OF GEL WIND.
THERE'S A GEL ONE, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A WOOD WITH A ALUMINUM CLAD EXTERIOR.
THE GEL 1 5500 SERIES IS A, IS A SOLID, UH, PINE.
IT'S A SOLID WOOD WINDOW INSIDE AND OUT.
UM, AND THOSE ARE TWO SERIES WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WITH PERMISSION, WE'D LIKE TO, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE VINYL WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
IF WE COULD, IF WE COULD MAINTAIN THAT STILL USING A, A CLAD WINDOW, WE'D LIKE TO DO THAT AS WELL ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, I CAN SAY THAT WE GENERALLY TEND NOT TO GO FOR THE CLAD WINDOWS.
IT'S A CLAD WINDOW LIGHT ALMOST.
THE WINDOW RIGHT, THE, THE, THE GENTLEMAN, THE 5,500 SERIES IS ALL WOOD.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WANNA GO WITH.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? THAT WAS MY ONLY ONE.
SO SOMEBODY HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING OR THEY HAVE A MOTION JUST WAITING FOR A MOTION NOW? YES, WE ARE.
ANYBODY AT HOME WANNA MAKE A PROMOTION? CUZ SOMEBODY HAS TO.
SO MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON ITEM ONE? YES.
COMMISSIONER RELL ON UM, ON 7 22 RIDGEWAY ON ITEM ONE THAT IT'S DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WAS WHAT STAFF ORIGINALLY RECOMMENDED, BUT THEY NOTED THAT THEY HAVE NOW SEEN SOME DIFFERENT PICTURES THAT, UM, OF THE EXISTING WINDOW THAT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND.
AND WE'VE HAD CLARIFICATION FROM THE CONTRACTOR THAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT WINDOWS ARE TRUE WOOD ALL THE WAY THROUGH FACING BOTH DIRECTIONS.
AND I THINK THEY WERE GEN GEN SOMETHING 5,500 GEL WIND.
HAVE THOSE BEEN, UH, HAVE THOSE CHANGES, UH, BEEN DOCUMENTED IN ANY NEW SPECS OR DRAWINGS? THEY HAVE NOT, BUT I THINK HE INCLUDED THE GEL ONE WINDOWS IN HIS APPLICATION SOMEWHERE.
BECAUSE THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING IT WOULD MAKE ME HESITATE TO MAKE A
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MOTION IS I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT I'M MAKE STATING THE RIGHT CONDITION.I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY INCLUDE THAT THEY ARE DOING WINDOWS FROM THE GEL WIN 5,500 SERIES, WHICH ARE ALL WOOD AND NOT WOOD AND FLAT.
AND APPARENTLY ALL THE ONES IN THAT GEL WIN 5,500.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID THEY WERE.
OH, THEN I BELIEVE I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH 2 76 CM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 7 22 RIDGEWAY STREET IN THE JUNIOR HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, I MOVE THAT ON ITEM NUMBER ONE.
UH, WE APPROVE THE REQUEST WITH A CONDITION THAT, UH, ALL WINDOWS BE, UH, OF THE GENTLEMAN 5,500 SERIES AS STATED BY THE UM, UH, APPLICANT AND THAT THEY BE ALL WOOD WINDOWS WITH TRUE DIVIDED LIGHTS.
UM, ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, UH, I MOVE THAT, UM, THE REQUEST BE APPROVED ACCORDING TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, I UH, MOVE THAT, UH, THE REQUEST TO BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS INSPECTS STATED 11 14 20 22 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE BRICK IS NOT TO BE PAINTED, UM, AND FOR REASON SIDED BY STAFF.
COMMISSIONER RENO, ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, THEN I THINK WE'RE READY TO VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANYONE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NAY.
THAT WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
AND I THINK I SAW COMMISSIONER SLADE SAYING YOU OPPOSED IT.
YOU WERE JUST LATE
SAID THE ONLY OPPOSITION IS THE ONLY OPPOSITION IS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
THE MOTION HAS CARRIED AND, UH, WE WISH YOU LUCK WITH YOUR, YOUR PROJECT, MS. WALKER.
I BELIEVE NEXT IS DAY TWO, I MEAN DAY THREE, THAT WAS DAY TWO.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 3 54 21 VICTOR STREET, JULIUS HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 27 8 CM, UH, REQUEST OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT ACCESSORY BUILDING.
AND NUMBER TWO, UH, REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE DRIVEWAY AND GATE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE APPROVED ON BOTH ITEMS AND TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE BOTH ITEMS AS WELL.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON THIS ONE.
AARON TREY, PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME, SIR.
GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
HELLO, THIS IS AARON TRATAN, 7 21 RIDGEWAY STREET, DALLAS.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'LL TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT.
YES, I AM THE APPLICANT AND ARCHITECT.
UM, AND IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, TASK FORCE AS WELL AS CITY STAFF, I'VE RECOMMENDED APPROVALS, UM, TO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME, I WON'T, UH, GO BACK THROUGH THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE THING.
SO, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THERE MIGHT BE UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT I AM HERE TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND CLARIFICATIONS.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? NO QUESTIONS.
I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER SPELLS THAT YOU HAS THE MOTION TO MAKE ANYTHING IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM 4 5300 WORTH STREET CA THREE.
SORRY, I WAS ON THE WRONG PAGE IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION.
ITEM 3 54 21 VICTOR STREET, CA 2 23 2 78 CM.
I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR BOTH ONE AND TWO PER STAFF.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I CAN CALL FOR A VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? IT APPEARS THAT IT IS CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT, BUT WE'LL SEE YOU IN A MINUTE, SO DON'T GO ANYWHERE
NEXT UP IS D FOUR, WHICH IS 5304TH STREET.
UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 5300 WORTH STREET, JUS HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT
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CA 2 23 2 75.WE HAVE THREE REQUESTS FOR SE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD A SINGLE STORY REAR ADDITION REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD WOOD DECK PATIO REQUEST NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE THE REAR YARD FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE ALL THREE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION APPROVED.
NUMBER THREE, THE REAR YARD FENCE NOTING CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRENT LOCATION.
AND OUR APPLICANT IS AARON AGAIN, AND I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO SWEAR YOU IN OR ANYTHING AGAIN, SINCE YOU'RE STILL HERE AND I KNOW IT'S STILL YOU.
UH, SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TALK ABOUT THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.
YES, I AM THE APPLICANT AND ARCHITECT FOR, UH, THIS ONE AT 5,300 WORTH.
UM, AND EVERYTHING WAS WELL RECEIVED EXCEPT FOR WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE FENCE.
UM, AND WE'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE FENCE, KEEP THE EXACT SAME LOCATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE, BUT, UH, JUST REPLACE IT.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, JU HEIGHTS OVERLAY IS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT FENCE LOCATIONS, UM, WHICH IS WHY IT GOT DENIED.
UM, THE TASK FORCE HAS VERY LITTLE LATITUDE TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS, UH, RIGHTFULLY SO.
AND SO THEY, THEY, UM, KICK IT TO YOU GUYS.
UM, AND SO ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, THE, THE FENCE IS IN FRONT OF THE 50, UH, PERCENT MARK OF THE HOUSE, UM, WHICH THE OVERLAY SAYS IT HAS TO BE AT THE 50% MARK.
I'M GONNA START, UH, SHARING MY SCREEN HERE.
UM, SO ON THIS SIDE YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR.
UM, THIS DASH LINE IS THE 50% MARK.
THIS EXISTING FENCE, WHICH WE'RE KEEPING, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO KEEP THE SAME LOCATION IS ABOUT SIX AND A HALF FEET IN FRONT OF THAT, UH, 50% MARK WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, TO KEEP IT THERE, UH, JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE GOT THE NEIGHBORS, UH, FENCE, UH, ALSO TO THAT POINT.
AND THEN ON THE, UM, THIS IS A CORNER SIDE LOT.
AND SO ON THE CORNER SIDE, UM, HERE WE HAVE THE BACKYARD FENCE THAT WRAPS AROUND.
UM, THE ORDINANCE SAYS, UM, UNLESS YOU GET APPROVAL BY LANDMARK, YOU CAN'T, UM, HAVE THE FENCE COVER UP THE SIDE ELEVATION.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING AGAIN TO KEEP IT WHERE IT CURRENTLY IS, UH, WHICH IS A, A, A LITTLE UNDER 10 FEET FROM THAT BACK CORNER.
UM, AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, AN EXCEPTION BASED ON THE FACT THAT, UM, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT, UH, ON THE STREET SCAPE.
BY DOING SO, WE'VE ALSO GOT THIS, UH, H V A C CONDENSER THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ENCLOSE WITHIN THE BACKYARD FENCE.
I'LL PULL UP A PHOTO OF, UM, THIS IS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY.
UM, AND SO WE WOULD BE COMING BACK.
UH, WE'RE PROPOSING TO COME BACK WITH, WITH THE SAME LOCATION HERE.
DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? PUBLIC COMMISSIONERS? UH, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THAT FENCE LOCATION.
ARE YOU SAYING IF THAT FENCE WASN'T, IF IT WAS ADHERED TO THE ORDINANCE, IT WOULD EXPOSE THAT CONDENSER THERE ON THE CORNER? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT, UH, IF I MAY ADD, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE AT THE, UH, VERY END OF THE HOUSE IS A SUNROOM OR WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY A SUNROOM.
UM, AND SO IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AS WELL FROM EVEN THE INTERIOR LAYOUT, THE WAY THAT THE, THE FENCE TERMINATES, UM, AND ENCLOSES THAT SUNROOM, UM, WITHIN THE, THE BACKYARD AS WELL.
MADAM CHAIR FURTHER, IS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER OFFIT? YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR MYSELF.
THIS IS A CORNER LOCK, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WHAT'S THE SIDE STREET? IT'S, UH, HENDERSON.
SO IT'S A VERY, AND THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS CAUSE UH, WE DO MAKE EXCEPTIONS APPARENTLY FOR PHYSICS SIDE STREETS, APPARENTLY.
THE, UM, SO YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, EXCEPT REPLACING WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
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THANK YOU.ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? I DID WANNA CONFIRM, UH, THE, THE NEW FENCE IS THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE EXISTING FENCE.
THE NEW FENCE IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE TALLER, ALTHOUGH THE HOMEOWNER, I THINK WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO, UM, CHANGING THAT IF THAT'S, UM, SO CURRENTLY IT'S A SIX FOOT TALL FENCE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING A EIGHT FOOT.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THEY WOULD BE, UM, AGREEABLE TO, TO LOWERING THAT, IF THAT HELPS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR A MOTION? ONE MORE QUESTION.
I THOUGHT YOU SAID ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE IT WAS GONNA EXTEND A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN THE EXISTING LOCATION.
WAS THAT NOT CORRECT? NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
UM, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME LOCATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE THAT WE'RE JUST, UM, TRYING TO REPLACE THE, THE FENCE THERE AND, UM, AND DOING SO HAVE TO GET APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, UM, SO IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 23 2 75 CM OF 5,300 WORTH STREET, UM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REQUESTS ONE, TWO, AND THREE FROM STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND MR. SPSU.
UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENT? AND IF NOT, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE.
THERE IS A QUESTION BECAUSE THE NUMBER THREE IS ACTUALLY A DENIAL, UH, WITH PREJUDICE.
AM I NOT LOOKING AT THE RIGHT 1 50, 300 WORD? I'M SORRY.
HAVING CLARIFIED THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROPOSAL, AYE, AYE.
ANY OPPOSED THIS PROPOSAL? NA, MR. ANDERSON IS OPPOSED? OR ANY OTHERS OPPOSED? LET ME KNOW.
SO THE MOTION HAS CARRIED BY MAJORITY AND IT DOES, IT DOES INCLUDE PART DENIAL.
IT DOES, IT INCLUDES NO DENIALS.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 48 23 GASTON AVENUE AND THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 85, AURA D THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, TO INSTALL SAFETY MESH BEHIND GUARDRAIL AND GATE.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS TO PAINT EXTERIOR DOORS.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE IS TO INSTALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING ON FRONT FACADE REQUEST NUMBER FOUR IS TO PAINT FASCIA COLOR TURQUOISE, UH, SOFFIT AS WELL.
THE COLOR OF THE SOFFIT PROPOSED COLOR IS WHITE DOV.
AND THEN REQUEST NUMBER FIVE TO APPLY ADDRESS NUMBERS TO FRONT FACADE STAFF.
ON REQUEST NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ON REQUEST.
NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ON REQUEST.
NUMBER THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL ON REQUEST.
NUMBER FOUR, STAFF RECOMMENDS, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
AND ON REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP AND IT APPEARS THAT HE IS HERE.
UM, JOSH LEE, COULD YOU SAY YOUR, COULD YOU TELL US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEGIN? SURE.
THIS IS, UH, MY NAME IS JOSH AND I'M AT 48 23 GASTON AVENUE.
UH, AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR CLARIFICATION.
I'M JUST HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, UH, FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW AND I CAN, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS IT TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY.
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WELL, I KNOW I WAS LEFT UNSURE.WHICH PARTS ARE STILL TO BE PAINTED TURQUOISE? UH, JUST THE DOORS.
SO WHAT WILL THE, THE FASCIA AND SOFFIT BE PAINTED? UH, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING IT WITH THE TASK FORCE? DACIA IS GOING TO BE, UH, MATCHING THE SAME COLOR AS THE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, WHICH IS THAT SEAL COLOR.
AND, UM, THE SOFFITS WILL BE PAINTED, UH, THE, THE WHITE DUFF COLOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? WELL THEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION, AREN'T WE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
I KNOW WHO'S MAKING THE NEXT
AND THE MATTER OF, UH, 48 23 GASTON AVENUE CA 2 23 DASH 2 85.
I MOVED TO A FEW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON ITEMS THROUGH, THROUGH FIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPEC SPECIFICATION STATED 43 20 23 AND THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED MAY, I THINK OUR SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER BEVIN FIRST.
UM, ANY COMMENT? ARE WE READY FOR BOTH? COMMISSIONER RENO? YEAH, I HAVE A COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE 48 INCH, UM, BLACK FIXTURE, AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH, UM, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARGUMENTS.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY A SIZE OR DIMENSIONS, IT JUST SAYS, WELL, IT'S A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY.
AND THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE, UM, HOLD ON.
I ACTUALLY HAVE IT, BUT THE ORDINANCE BASICALLY SAYS THAT IT NEEDS TO ACTUALLY COMPLIMENT THE BUILDING, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY MUCH MORE THAN THAT.
SO THIS WAS, WHICH ONE? THE EIGHT.
SO THE ORDINANCE JUST SAYS, REGARDING EXTERIOR LIGHTING, IT MUST BE APPROPRIATE TO AND ENHANCE THE STRUCTURE AND THE GLOBE HE HAD BEFORE.
WHAT SIZE WAS THE GLOBE YOU HAD BEFORE? UH, JOSH, THE SIZE BEFORE, HOLD ON, LET ME PULL UP MY INFORMATION.
I BELIEVE THE SIZE THAT WE HAD WHEN I FIRST ADMITTED WAS A VERY TINY SIZE.
AND WE'RE SEEING IT'S LIKE, UM, UH, LET SEE.
DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A PICTURE OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE? UM, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE, THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE, BUT ONE ISSUE BEFORE WAS THE DRAWING WAS NOT TO SCALE, SO THE APPLICANT DID GO BACK AND CREATE THE DRAWING TO SCALE OF THE FRONT FACADE.
SO THIS IS HOW THE LIGHT FIXTURE GIVEN TO SCALE IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK.
AND THAT IS A GLOBE? YEAH, THAT'S A GLOBE THAT'S TRADITIONAL GLOBE.
AND IS IT GONNA BE, WHAT COLOR IS IT? WHITE.
I HAD THOSE KIND OF RED LIGHTS TO KINDA JUST SHOW THAT IT'S, UH, A SPHERE.
SO IT'S THE SUGGESTION THAT IT BE SMALLER COMMISSION.
DO WE THINK THAT THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT? I MEAN, THIS IS A NON-CONTRIBUTING BUILDING AND IT NEEDS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF FOUR FOOT GLOBES ARE RIGHT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S RIGHT FOR THAT BUILDING.
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WELL, THE GLOBE WAS KIND OF CARRYING THE CIRCULAR DESIGNS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BUILDING.FOR INSTANCE, THE GUARDRAIL HAS CIRCLES, THE GATE HAS CIRCLED.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE, BECAUSE THE TASK FORCE KNOWS THAT THE GLOBE, IT'S JUST THE ISSUE THEY FELT WAS THE PRIOR GRO GLOBE RATHER WAS TOO SMALL.
SO IS THERE A GLOBE AVAILABLE THAT'S JUST RIGHT
IS THERE A GLOBE AVAILABLE THAT'S JUST RIGHT.
SO WOULD THREE FEET BE BETTER? UH, WELL WE ARE, LET'S SERIOUSLY ASK THE APPLICANT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER GLOBES? OKAY.
BIGGER THAN THE FIRST ONE,
UM, IF THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
WHAT WAS THE SIZE OF THE ONE, THE FIRST ONE? UH, THE FIRST ONE I THINK THE PRODUCT DETAIL.
WE PUT 48 INCHES, WHICH IS, UM, UH, UH, HOLD ON.
WELL, THE TASK FORCE WANTED A LARGER GLOBE, CORRECT? YEAH.
NOW DID THE TASK FORCE SEE A GLOBE OR WAS IT SOME OTHER KIND OF SCONCE SITE? NO, THEY SAW A GLOBE.
AND THE SIZE OF THAT GLOBE THEY SAW WAS, THAT'S WHAT HE'S TRYING TO TELL US EXACTLY.
TO US IT LOOKED LIKE ONE YOU WOULD POSSIBLY PUT IN YOUR, IN YOUR CLOSET, WHICH OF COURSE WAS TOO SMALL.
NOW, WITH RESPECT TO THE GLOBE'S RELATIONSHIP TO THE OPENING, THE OPENING IS 16 FEET TALL.
AND I DO KNOW FOR LIGHTING IT SHOULD BE LIKE ONE FOURTH OR SIZE OF THE OPENING YOU'RE TRYING TO ILLUMINATE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IN WHICH CASE FOUR FEET WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
I'M, I'M WILLING TO SAY TOMORROW, IF I MAY, UM, I MEAN, I WOULD RECOMMEND PROBABLY 30 INCHES OR SMALLER.
UM, THE, THE FOUR FEET IN, IN THIS PROPORTION IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A SIGN THAN IT DOES A LIGHT FIXTURE.
AND HOW DOES THE APPLICANT FEEL? ABOUT A 30 INCH? UH, 30 INCH IS, IT'S AROUND TWO FEET, UH, 2.5 FEET.
AND I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT, UH, ILLUMINATES THAT AREA.
OKAY, SO WE WE'RE THINKING NOW OF A 30 INCH GLOBE AS OUR COMPROMISE.
DOES THAT REQUIRE CONTINUED QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I, I, I DON'T THINK A GLOBE IS THE RIGHT APPLICATION FOR HERE.
UM, THERE ARE PLENTY OF, OF MID-CENTURY DESIGNS THAT WOULD FIT THIS, UH, THIS BUILDING, UH, BOTH UP AND DOWN.
IF THE, IF THE INTENTION IS REALLY TO ILLUMINATE THE, THE ENTRANCE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF LIGHT FIXTURES THAT DO THAT BETTER THAN, THAN A GLOBE.
UM, CUZ A GLOBE IS GONNA JUST, IT LIGHT WILL GO IN EVERY DIRECTION.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S MOUNTED THIS HIGH ON THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE TRYING TO AGAIN, ELIMINATE THE, THE ENTRANCE TO MAKE IT SAFE.
UM, I THINK APPLYING THE LIGHT DOWN IN IN THAT DIRECTION IS GONNA BE A LOT, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE AND IN BETTER SCALE.
UM, SO I'M NOT GONNA BE, UM, SUPPORTING THE ITEM NUMBER THREE.
UM, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT IF, IF IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THE GLOBE COULD PASS, DO YOU HAVE, COULD YOU COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN A GLOBE? THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES, OPTIONS, UH, SURE.
BUT DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC, UH, TYPE OF LIGHT, UH, LIGHTING THAT YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR BESIDES THE GLOBE? WELL, WE GENERALLY TRY NOT TO SAY VERY SPECIFICALLY, BUT, UM, PERHAPS, UH, WERE WE THINKING LOWER DOWN LIGHTS? LIKE SOME SORT OF A SCONCE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ENTRY YOU'RE TRYING TO LIGHT MM-HMM.
BUT NOT ONE BIG LIGHT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE TWO LIGHTS BY THE SIDE OF THE OH, KIND OF JUST LIKE, UH, I'M LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.
SO KIND OF TWO LIGHTS, UM, KIND OF NEAR THE, THE, THE DOOR, RIGHT? IF THAT'S THE GOAL IS TO ILLUMINATE
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THAT DOOR, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOGICAL PLACEMENT.OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T BECOME A DESIGN FEATURE OR SIGNIFICANT, AND WE WOULD NEED YOU TO COME BACK WITH AN APPLICATION FOR THE SPECIFIC LIGHTS YOU CHOOSE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU ARE.
I ALSO CANNOT SUPPORT THE MOTION IN THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT.
AND A BIG, BIG WHITE MOON ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS NOT GONNA MAKE THE DISTRICT LOOK ANY BETTER.
IT'S, DOESN'T REALLY EVEN FIT THE BUILDING.
SO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS PERHAPS ABOUT NOT LIGHT
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN IT'S TIME TO MAKE A MOTION.
AND I JUST COMPLETELY SPACED OKAY.
IF I WAS THINKING ABOUT GLOBES AND
I BEG YOU PARDON? I I LOST MY MIND AND WONDERED ABOUT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA, BUT WE DO SEEM TO HAVE COME TO AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE EXPRESSING A VALID, UM, QUESTION ABOUT THAT LIGHT.
WOULD COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA ENTERTAIN A REQUEST FOR A SLIGHT CHANGE IN HER MOTION TO DENY, DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE GLOBE? YES.
UH, TO THE SECOND WAS BELVIN BELVIN, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO THAT? YOU'RE RAISING YOUR HAND.
APPARENTLY YOU HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN.
IN THE MATTER OF 48 23 GASTON AVENUE CA 2 23 DASH 2 85 R D I MOVE TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, ONE, TWO, ALL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS EXCEPT FOR THE GLOBE LIGHT, UH, TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, LIGHT FIXTURE, UH, IN, UH, INHERENT TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO THAT IS ON, UM, REQUEST NUMBER THREE.
SO, AND THREE IS DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE, AND THE OTHER FOUR ARE APPROVED ACCORDING TO STAFF.
AND THAT'S MEETS WITH THE SECOND'S APPROVAL.
COMMISSIONER BEVIN, PLEASE IF YOU APPROVE
THEN WE ARE READY, WE ARE READY TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALL RIGHT, MR. LEE, THE, UH, YOU HEARD THE MOTION IT HAS PASSED.
IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS, UM, STAFF WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU WITH THAT.
UM, BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE, YOU DID GET A DENIAL IN HERE AND YOU COULD APPEAL THAT TO CPC, BUT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED HOW YOU COULD CERTAINLY COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE TO SUGGEST, AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK, WE HOPE, SOON WITH, WITH YOUR NEW IDEA ABOUT THE LIGHTING FIXTURE.
AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON THIS BUILDING.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 46 77 JUTH STREET IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE, UH, CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 88 R D.
THE REQUEST STORE AS FOLLOWS, TO CONSTRUCT A RESIDENTIAL MAIN BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT AND TO CONSTRUCT AN EX.
AND THE SECOND REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A TWO CAR GARAGE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS APPROVAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS APPROVAL.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE.
UH, I, YEAH, I CAN SEE THE VIDEO.
YOU'RE NOT ON MY SCREEN, BUT ARE YOU, YOU ARE WAY ON THAT TINY SCREEN OVER THERE.
SO PLEASE BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.
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MINUTES TO, UM, GIVE US ANY FURTHER INFORMATION OR PRESENTATION THAT YOU WANT TO YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL.WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUGGESTIONS.
WE MODIFIED OUR PLANS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WOULD BE COMPLIANT AND, UH, I ADJUSTED EVERYTHING SO THAT IT WOULD BE APPROVED.
AND SO, UH, JUST HERE, HOPEFULLY HO HO HOPEFULLY FOR APPROVAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? I HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, UM, I, I CAN'T TELL FROM THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THE, UH, IF IT WERE ADJUSTED IT, THE TASK FORCE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THE FRONT, UH, SIDE, UH, THE LINE WITH, I GUESS THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.
WAS THAT ADJUSTED AND DONE? YES, SIR.
YEAH, IF YOU ALLOW ME, I CAN SHARE.
HERE, LET ME SHARE MY SCREEN AND LEMME SHOW IT'S NOT NECESSARY.
I JUST NEEDED A, A YES, THANKS.
UM, COMMISSIONER OFF'S QUESTION WAS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE.
COULD YOU PLEASE VERIFY THE, UM, THE SETBACK OF THE ONE WE ASKED YOU TO MEET AND THAT THAT'S THE SETBACK THAT YOURS WILL HAVE NOW? AND I ASKED BECAUSE WE RECENTLY HAD AN INCIDENT WHERE THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT.
HERE, IF YOU'LL NOTICE RIGHT HERE, UH, CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN? YEAH.
THIS WAS THE PART IN QUESTION RIGHT HERE.
IT WAS THIS LINE AND IT WAS JUST MM-HMM.
UH, BUT IT WAS JUST RIGHT HERE THAT THIS LINE WAS ACTUALLY RIGHT HERE.
AND SO WE HAD TO, WE JUST MOVED IT SO IT WAS IN LINE WITH THIS OTHER LINE.
SO, NO, THAT'S A VERY, VERY, VERY GOOD FEEDBACK.
I'M GLAD TO HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD.
WHO ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMPLIMENT ON THE LOVELY DESIGN? THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, IF WE HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RENO, UM, ON ITEM CA 2 23 DASH, UH, 2088 R D, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 46 77 JUNIOR STREET THAT WE APPROVE.
UM, FOLLOWING, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION SECOND ITEMS? ONE, HONOR.
OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER GAS.
ANY FURTHER COMMENT AND LET US CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? APPEARS TO BE NONE.
UM, UH, GOOD LUCK WITH BUILDING YOUR HOUSE.
ARE YOU READY FOR D 10? HUH? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS LEFT THE MEETING.
RONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 47 19 SWISS AVENUE IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 89 R D.
THE REQUEST RS FOLLOWS REQUEST NUMBER ONE IS TO INSTALL A NEW WOOD SLIDING GLASS DOOR OR DOORS ON REAR ELEVATION OF MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO IS TO INSTALL WOOD STEPS ON REAR ELEVATION.
REQUEST NUMBER THREE IS TO REPLACE DOOR WITH WOOD WINDOW ON WEST LEFT ELEVATION.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOW AS FOLLOWS.
FOR REQUEST NUMBER ONE, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR REQUEST.
NUMBER TWO, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR REQUEST.
NUMBER THREE, STAFF RECOMMENDS, RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.
AND WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED, LESLIE NUK.
DOES ANYBODY SEE HER? BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE OVER THERE.
I GUESS YOU BETTER AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME AND, AND ADDRESS CUZ YOU'VE BEEN AWAY FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
LESLIE NVU, SEVEN 18 DUMAS, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND YOU STILL PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH?
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YES.PLEASE, UH, UM, ENLIGHTEN US WITH ANY FURTHER INFORMATION WE NEED ABOUT THIS ONE.
UM, HERE'S THE HOUSE IN QUESTION ON SWISS.
UM, WE ARE WANTING TO, EXCUSE ME, ON THE REAR FACADE, UM, OPEN UP ONE OF THE WALLS, UM, TO ADD IN, UM, A PATIO DOOR AND, UM, WHERE THERE IS A DOOR ON THE WEST ELEVATION.
UM, REMOVE THAT AND PUT A WINDOW BACK IN THE, UM, IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, HERE'S A VERY SHINY PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THEN THE SLIDING WINDOW WOULD BE, UM, ON THIS FACADE, IT IS REAR FACING.
UM, BUT IT'S KIND OF UP, UM, ON THAT LITTLE BUMP OUT.
UM, AND THEN, SO HERE'S THE, THE OPENING THAT WE'RE, UM, REQUESTING, UM, UNDER THESE PAIR OF WINDOWS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
UM, THIS WHOLE BUMP OUT, UM, WING, UM, HAS WINDOWS ON, UM, ALL THREE SIDES, UM, FIRST FLOOR AND SECOND FLOOR, EXCEPT FOR THIS, UM, SPOT RIGHT HERE WHERE WE'RE REQUESTING TO PUT IN, UM, NEW EXTERIOR DOORS.
AND THEN THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE NEW WINDOW.
UM, IT WILL BE, UM, THE SAME SIZES, THESE OLD EXISTING WINDOWS THAT HAVE BEEN BOARDED UP THERE, UM, USING THE SAME SIDING TO PATCH AND REPAIR.
UM, I HAD THE WRONG, UM, WOOD WINDOW SPEC IN MY SUBMISSION, UM, BUT IN THE SCHEDULE, UM, IT DOES SAY ALL WOOD WINDOW, UM, AND ALL WOOD DOORS.
UM, SO WE'D MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE ORDERED.
UM, I DID, I HEARD THE CASE EARLIER.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE THAT THE 5,500 JK WINDOWS ARE CLAD WINDOWS ARE NOT ALL WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, WE WOULD DO SOMETHING LIKE, UM, A LIBERTY OR SIERRA PACIFIC ALLWOOD WINDOW HERE AND, UM, ALL WOOD DOOR AS WELL.
UM, I, I'M, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
UM, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY IT WAS RECOMMENDED, UM, FOR DENIAL.
UM, UH, IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR IF, UM, DR.
DUN WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION AS TO WHY IT WAS? YEAH, THERE WERE TWO REASONS FOR DENIAL.
ONE WAS WHEN WE WENT BACK THROUGH THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, IT NOTES THAT QUITE A BIT OF WORK WAS DONE ON THE REAR ELEVATION WITHOUT A CA.
IN OTHER WORDS, SEEMINGLY EIGHT WINDOWS WERE REMOVED.
SO MY CONCERN WAS JUST THAT THE CURRENT CHANGE THAT'S BEING MADE IS IT APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE PAST.
SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO REVIEW WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BEFORE MAKING THIS CHANGE.
UM, I, I THINK YES, I ASK YOU TO PLEASE RESPOND TO THAT, THAT WAY YOU'RE ANSWERING, UM, THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER, UM, WASN'T THE ONE WHO DID THAT PREVIOUS WORK.
AND I'M NOT POSITIVE, UM, WHAT EXACTLY THAT WORK WAS.
UM, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD IN MORE LIGHT ON THE REAR FACADE.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY ANY LIGHT AND EVEN THE, THE DOOR WE'RE ADDING IN A, A VERY LARGE WINDOW IN THAT PLACE.
UM, SO WE'RE BRINGING BACK MORE WINDOWS AND NATURAL LIGHT TO THE HOUSE.
UM, THE OTHER, UM, LOCATIONS, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WERE PREVIOUS WINDOWS LIKE THIS ONE, UM, THEY JUST DON'T, THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, RANGE IS IN THE KITCHEN.
AND THERE'S NO OTHER, UM, APPROPRIATE LOCATION IN THAT, IN THE LAYOUT OF THE KITCHEN TO MOVE IT TO.
SO WE, UM, CAUSE WE, WE DID TALK ABOUT TRYING TO OPEN THAT ONE UP AS WELL, BUT IT,
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UM, DOESN'T WORK OUT IN THE PLAN.UM, BUT THE OTHER ONES WERE NOT IN QUESTION AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, UM, I THINK THE REASON FOR THE DENIAL ON REQUEST ONE, UM, IT, WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE TASK FORCE, SO I GUESS THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING, STICKING SOMETHING OPENING UP THAT THEY'RE, UH, I GUESS SAYING NO TO A SLIDING GLASS, WHICH I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, BUT WE'RE SAYING NEW IT.
BUT WITH THE DOUBLE FRIENDSHIP FIRST IS, IS YOUR DENIAL, UH, BASED ON THAT OR SOMETHING ELSE? MY DENIAL WAS, WELL, PARTLY AM I ECHOING OR I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ECHOING, BUT MY DENIAL WAS PARTLY BASED ON THAT AS WELL BECAUSE, UH, THE TASK FORCE'S CONCERN WAS THAT, WELL, A PA A PATIO DOOR OR WOOD SLIDING GLASS DOOR WAS INAPPROPRIATE TO THE, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY.
AND SO THEY WANTED TO SEE A FRENCH DOOR, BUT THEY WANTED ONE SIDE TO BE FIXED, YOU KNOW, LIKE ONE SIDE BE A FIXED WINDOW.
AND THEN THE OTHER DOC, OTHER SIDE OPEN AND CLOSED.
AND LIKE I SAID, MY OTHER CONCERN WAS THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO THE HOUSE IN THE PAST.
I KNOW IT'S NOT THE CURRENT OWNER, BUT I'M HOPING POSSIBLY THERE'S SOME TYPE OF PHOTOS OR DOCUMENTATION OR SOMEONE COULD LOOK AT A HOME NEARBY TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WOULD BE ARCHITECTURALLY SENSITIVE TO THE PROPERTY.
AND FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER OR SPEAKER IS, IS THE, UM, TASK FORCE MA RECOMMENDATION OF THE DOUBLE FRENCH DOORS? IS, WOULD THAT WORK FOR WHAT YOU'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO THERE? YES.
WE WOULD BE, UM, OKAY WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION OR, UM, APPROVED WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, WE WOULD BE, UM, GOOD WITH THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RENO? YEAH, I OTHER, FOR DR.
DUNN, THE, I GUESS IT WAS ITEM TWO, UM, THE DENIAL OF THE WOOD STEPS ON THE REAR.
OH, THAT WAS JUST, IF THERE WAS NO DOOR THERE, THEN THE STEPS, YOU KNOW, I JUST DIDN'T WANT THE STEPS TO BE APPROVED AND NOT BE A DOOR
WOULD, SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE MY MICROPHONE OUT ON WHERE THOSE STEPS WOULD BE.
WOULD BE AT THE, THE NEW, UM, FRENCH DOOR ON THE YES, THEY WOULD BE AT THE NEW FRENCH DOOR.
SO IT WASN'T THE FACT THAT IT WAS MADE OUT OF WOOD.
IT WAS, IT WAS JUST THAT THERE WASN'T A, A DOOR.
BUT IF THERE'S A DOOR, THEN OF COURSE WE NEED STEPS.
SO IF THIS A DOOR, WE DO NEED STEPS.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UM, I, I, I SYMPATHIZE WITH DR.
DUNN'S CONCERN TO, TO NOT, UM, MAKE FURTHER CHANGES WHEN SEVERE CHANGES WERE MADE.
I'M NOT SURE WHO, BESIDES ME AND COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I MEAN THE COMMISSIONER SWAN WERE HERE WHEN WE USED TO DIS WHEN THIS FIRST CAME THROUGH.
IT CAME THROUGH MANY TIMES WITH MANY QUESTIONS, WAS QUITE CONTENTIOUS.
AND PERHAPS IN THE END WE DID NOT ACTUALLY, UM, GET IT HOW WE WOULD'VE WISHED TO GET IT.
SO YES, THE BACK END OF THIS HOUSE LOOKS CONSIDERABLY DIFFERENT AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN DIFFERENT THAN ALL THE OTHER HOUSES BECAUSE IT'S A VERY SPECIAL PLAN.
SO IT, THAT, THAT HORSE MAY BE SO FAR OUT OF THE BARN.
UH, IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS, DOES SOMEONE HAVE YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON, UM, ITEM CA 2 23 DASH 28 9 R D, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS, UH, 4,719 SWISS AVENUE.
THAT, UM, ON ITEM ONE THAT WE APPROVE WITH A CONDITION THAT, UM, FRENCH DOORS, ONE FIXED AND ONE SWING BE INSTALLED.
UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO WOULD BE APPROVED, UH, WOULD STEPS ITEM NUMBER THREE, UH, APPROVED, UH, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION
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IN THAT CASE? WE CAN CALL FOR A VOTE.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? APPARENTLY NOT.
SO WE HAVE CARRIE UNANIMOUSLY AND WE CAN ASK MR. ANDERSON TO COME BACK IN.
CAN I WAIT SOMEBODY ELSE? I THOUGHT SOMEBODY ELSE JUST LEFT.
CAN I GO AHEAD AND START? YEAH.
UH, CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 15 2 0 1 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 2 71 CM.
REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE BACK DECK WITH WHEELCHAIR RAMP IN STAIRS.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM.
HOWEVER, TASK FORCE NOTED THAT FRONT PORCH IS CONCRETE, SO THERE'S NO GOOD, THERE IS A GOOD CASE FOR THE BACK PORCH SHALL ALSO BE CONCRETE.
SMALL DECK WITH CONCRETE STEPS WORK.
HOWEVER, IT CAN BE HOWEVER THEY PROPOSE A CONCRETE RAMP, POSSIBLY BE STEEL OR PORTABLE.
AND WE HAVE, UM, SOMEONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PUT IN, UM, AN UPDATED DRAWING, OR I'LL PUT IT ON THE SCREEN AND THEY'RE GONNA DISCUSS.
UM, ANN S I THINK I SEE YOU UP.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? UH, YES WE CAN.
SO PLEASE BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MA'AM.
MY ADDRESS IS 2 0 1 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE, DALLAS, 75 2 0 8.
AND YOU, UM, PROMISE OR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.
UH, I, WE HAVE YOUR DRAWING UP, I BELIEVE.
AND SO NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, ADD ANY INFORMATION YOU WISH.
OKAY? UM, UH, WE'VE BEEN IN OUR HOUSE FOR 30 YEARS AND ANTICIPATE BEING HERE FOR ANOTHER 20 OR SOME ODD.
UM, WE'RE ON OUR THIRD WOOD DECK.
AND SO NOW THAT I'VE, UH, MUST USE A WHEELCHAIR TO U LEAVE MY HOUSE, WE, UH, WE WANT TO REPLACE THE WOOD DECK WITH CONCRETE RAMP AND STAIRS.
UM, AND THAT ARE, WOULD BE ADA COMPLIANT.
UH, THE EXISTING RAMP WAS BUILT FOR OLD DOGS AND, AND IS NOT, UH, ADA COMPLIANT.
SO, UM, I DID, UH, DISCUSS, UH, METAL RAMPS WITH MY MEDICAL PROVIDERS AND THEY RECOMMENDED NOT INSTALLING THEM, UH, AS THEY WOULD NOT BE SAFE.
UH, I HAVE SEEN ONE METAL RAMP, OR, WELL, A COUPLE AND, UM, THEY WERE NOT, THEY WERE TOO FLIMSY AND ALSO SHOWED SOME RUSTING.
PLUS THEY DON'T LOOK HISTORIC AND THEY'RE SLIPPERY.
THEY'RE TOO SLIPPERY IN RAIN AND, UH, FREEZING WEATHER.
SO WE WANT TO GO IN WITH CONCRETE, UH, RAMPANT STAIRS THAT WOULD MEET ADA STANDARDS.
UH, THAT'S, AND UM, WE WILL BE SUBMITTING ANOTHER CA TO ADDRESS, UM, UH, STAIRS FROM THE BACKYARD TO THE STREET LEVEL.
BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING THERE AT THIS TIME.
UM, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT OR STAFF? AND IF NOT, I BELIEVE MR. ISN'T IT IN REGARDS TO DISCUSSION ITEM 15 2 2 0 1 NORTH EDGEFIELD AVENUE CA 2 23 27 1 C, I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION SECOND.
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OUR SECOND WHAT COMMISSION WAN.ALL RIGHT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. ANDERSON, DID YOU HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION? THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE CAN CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
THIS MOTION HAS, HAS CARRIED AND, UM, THE APPLICANT MAY BEGIN HER WORK.
OKAY, D FIVE SEEMS TO BE NEXT.
DISCUSSION NUMBER, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 7 0 4 BLAYLOCK DRIVE, BLAKE CLIFF, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 2 67 CM.
REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE GARAGE DOORS AND WINDOWS.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM.
HOWEVER, THEY ARE IN FAVOR AND RECOMMENDS ALUMINUM WINDOWS TO REPLACE INKIND.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A SPEAKER TODAY.
I DO NOT HAVE ONE ON MY LIST FOR THIS ONE.
SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? FOR A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION.
SORRY,
UM, IN REFERENCE TO CA 2 23 2 67 CM, UH, 7 0 4 BLALOCK DRIVE, I MOVED TO STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
THE SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER GZ WAN WAN.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR CAN WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT, THEN.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? ALL RIGHT, THE MOTION HAS CARRIED.
STAFF WILL LET THE APPLICANT KNOW.
YES, THAT IS, UM, OH WAIT, THERE'S DISCUSSION.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON IS RECUSED ON THIS ONE? YES, I DO.
WE'LL, WE'LL REMEMBER TO COME LOOK FOR YOU,
SORRY, MY PAGES WERE OUT OF ORDER.
UM, DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 11 25 24 SOUTH BOULEVARD, SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROW, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 2 8 0 CM.
REQUEST ITEM NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MODIFY WINDOW SIZES.
REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE BACK AND FRONT PORCH STEPS.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STEPS AT THE END OF THE WALKWAY.
OH, AND EXCUSE ME, THERE IS A FOURTH REQUEST, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MODIFY GATE STYLE TO A CEDAR WOOD FENCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO APPROVE ALL FOUR TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
HOWEVER, TASK FORCE NOTED THAT WINDOWS, ROOF AND FENCE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH, COMPATIBLE WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION.
SO I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE, I DON'T THINK VIVIAN IS THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T THINK SHE'S SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
I I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP ON THE 11.
UM, SO DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
IF THIS IS A BRICK BUILDING, HOW ARE THEY MAKING THE WINDOW SIZES? HOW ARE THEY CHANGING THE WINDOW SIZES? UM, IT, THIS WAS A NEW BUILD, SO I GUESS THE BUILDER WHEN HE WAS IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING ONE AHEAD AND DID THE SPECS, SO THIS IS THE NEW WINDOWS, BUT THIS BUILDING'S ALREADY BUILT, IT'S BUILT NOW, BUT THE INITIAL PLANS WERE APPROVED PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN THE BUILDER CHANGED THINGS AF WITHOUT TELLING VIV THE APPLICANT.
SO THEY PUT IN A DIFFERENT WINDOW SIZE THAN WHAT WAS APPROVED.
SO WE'RE COMING BACK AFTER THE FACT TO APPROVE WINDOWS ALREADY INSTALLED? YES.
THAT WASN'T MADE CLEAR EARLIER.
SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THE WINDOW.
WELL, THEY'RE CHANGING THE WINDOW ASIDE FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN, BUT NOT CHANGING THEM FROM WHAT IS BUILT.
UHHUH, SHE JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE HER PLANS ARE CORRECT WITH THE CA SHE WANTS EVERYTHING
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TO MATCH WITH HER NEW CA SO SHE, THAT THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MADE MORE CLEAR CUZ I WAS LOOKING AT THE WINDOWS AND WONDERING HOW, OKAY.NOW THAT WE'RE WE'RE CLEAR, WE, WE HAD APPROVED A DESIGN AND THE BUILDER CAME IN AND JUST CHANGED SOME STUFF.
AND THE OWNER WANTS TO DOT HER I AND CROSS HER TS BY MAKING SURE WE REVIEW WHAT THEY ACTUALLY BUILD.
WELL, THAT'S VERY RESPONSIBLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THIS ONE? YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT IS BEING REFERRED TO WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HEIGHTS.
IS THAT HEIGHTS ON THE ELEVATION, HEIGHTS OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT? UH, THAT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF THE TASK FORCE THAT THOSE WERE NEVER CHANGED.
THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING WAS AS IS THE, THE PLANS ARE AS IS IT THE, WHEN SHE EXPLAINED IT, SHE WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT SHE WAS ASKING.
SHE WAS MEANING LIKE HOW HIGH THEY NOW SIT.
THE IT WAS JUST SHE DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT, I GUESS THE CORRECT WAY.
BUT SHE LATER SENT ME AN EMAIL AND SAID, NO, THEY ARE THE SAME
FOR CLARIFICATION, THE OTHER ITEMS LIKE THE STEPS AND THAT'S ALL BEEN DONE ALSO? YES.
SO INITIALLY SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE STEPS IN THE FRONT AND BACK PORCH, YOU KNOW, TO GO DOWN AND SOMEHOW, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S THE, LIKE LIVES IN THIS HOUSE OR SHE'S JUST, THIS HOUSE ENDED UP TO BE A RENTAL.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE SITUATION, BUT WHEN SHE WENT BACK HE HAD REGRADED EVERYTHING.
SO NOW THE CON, YOU JUST WALK RIGHT OUT, THERE'S NO STEPS.
AND THAT ALSO AFFECTED THE WALKWAY THAT GOES DOWN TO THE SIDEWALK.
INITIALLY SHE WANTED IT TO HAVE THREE STEPS LIKE THE OTHER HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND NOW IT ONLY HAS, I THINK ONE AND THE GATE'S ALREADY BEEN DONE ALSO.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE GATE HAS BEEN DONE THAT SHE HAD AN ATTEMPTED, UH, UH, ROBBER THEFT.
SO SHE WANTED TO CHANGE THE GATE TO MITIGATE THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND IS THERE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION MS. LONG.
IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH TWO 80 CM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 25 24 SOUTH BOULEVARD IN THE SOUTH BOULEVARD PARK ROAD HISTORIC DISTRICT, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, WELL THAT WE APPROVE ALL FOUR REQUESTS FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON HAS SECONDED THAT THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
LET'S DO BRING COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON.
OKAY, THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE D 12.
YOU WANT ME TO START OR DOES SOMEONE WANT TO CALL THEM BACK? OKAY.
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ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM D 12.THE PROPERTY IS CITED AT 25 15 THOMAS AVENUE AND THE STATE THOMAS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 2 84 R D.
THE REQUEST IS TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL GRASS BETWEEN STREET AND SIDEWALK.
THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
WE DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS ONE.
ON I THINK COMMISSIONER PACY, WOULD YOU TAKE AHEAD? MARK? OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION? ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.
IN REGARDS TO THE SPECIAL ITEM 12 2515 THOMAS AVENUE CA 2 23 28 4 RD, I MOVED TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO INSTALL ARTIFICIAL GRASS BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE SIDEWALK.
FOR THE FINDING OF FACT THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICTS, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON FUTURE PRESERVATION AND IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE IN ANY WAY.
OUR NEW COMMISSIONER FOGARTY HAS SECONDED THIS.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER VELVET, DID YOU HAVE SOME DISCUSSION? NO COMMENT.
SO MY DISCUSSION WRITING WOULD BE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES ON THIS, YOU LOOK AT THE, THE STRIP OF THE GRASS IN BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK WHERE IT'S BROWN, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE AIR, IT'S VERY HARD TO KEEP A LOT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARTIFICIAL CHEAP INDOOR PUTT PUTT, UH, TURF.
IT LOOKS LIKE HIGH QUALITY TURF.
IT MAKES IT LOOK MUCH NICER OF THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S FAR MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, WHICH PUTS IT IN LINE WITH THE CITY C A P PROGRAM, UM, OR, OR POLICY.
AND I THINK IT'S A MISTAKE FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DENY, UM, APPROVAL OF, OF TURF, ESPECIALLY HIGH QUALITY TURF BECAUSE I THINK THE PROGRAM IS HARMED OVERALL.
AND WE DON'T SHOW ANY WILLINGNESS TO, UM, BE ADAPTABLE TO A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.
NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
BY LOOKING AT THE DRAWING, IT APPEARS AT THAT PARKWAYS IN ALMOST FULL SUN.
AND ACTUALLY BROWN GRASS IS MORE SO THE APPROPRIATE THAN TROCAR.
IT IS 19, 1890S DALLAS HAD BROWN GRASS THAT DIDN'T HAVE PLASTIC GRASS.
WELL, UH, ESPECIALLY IN FULL SUN.
FIRST OF ALL, LET ME JUST ASK STAFF.
THIS IS, UH, LET'S SEE, ARE WE IN, I'M SORRY.
IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE STATE THOMAS DISTRICT THAT SAYS PARKWAYS MUST BE GRASS? IT SAYS IT MUST BE GROWING, RIGHT? LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS NOTHING SPEC SPECIFICALLY THAT STATED ARTIFICIAL GRASS IS NOT ALLOWED.
THE ONLY THING I CAN FIND IS WHAT I READ YOU, WHICH BASICALLY SAID YOU HAVE TO LANDSCAPE YOUR YARD, YOU HAVE TO, IF IT'S GROWING, IT NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO GROW, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
BUT IT DOES NOT, IT'S NOT SPECIFIC ABOUT LANDSCAPE MATERIALS.
IT, IN OTHER WORDS, IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO GROW, GROW GRASS IN THE PARKWAY.
BECAUSE REALLY, I, I CAN'T DEFEND ARTIFICIAL TURF ON AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARD BECAUSE IT, IT'S, UH, IT'S AN UNSUSTAINABLE PRODUCT.
IT, UH, GOES IN THE LANDFILL, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S LIKE CARPET
WE USE IT UP, IT GOES IN THE LANDFILL.
UM, THERE ARE ALWAYS OPTIONS BESIDES GRASS, UM, WORKING WELL, MR. SPY, LET'S ALLOW MR. SWAN TO FINISH IN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME, AND THEN WE WILL ASK HIM IF I'VE ADD ANY OTHER IDEAS, LET'S NOT GET BACK AND FORTH.
I SUPPORT WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE, UM, THE E ECOSYSTEM, THE NATIVE PLANT COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA WHERE THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS.
UM, HAVING WORKED NOW IN THE CEMETERY FOR OVER 2000 HOURS ON 10TH STREET, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE IN DALLAS COUNTY, UH, I'VE RELEASED MANY NATIVE PLANTS THAT ARE ADAPTIVE SEDGES.
SOME SEDGES GROW IN SUNS, SOME SEDGES GROW IN SHADE, ORNAMENTAL SEDGES ARE NOW OFFERED
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BY NURSERIES.THAT'S JUST THE BEGINNING OF CHOICES THAT YOU HAVE AND THE REALLY HARD ONES TO DO ARE SHADE.
WHEN YOU HAVE FULL SUN, YOU HAVE SO MANY NATIVE CHOICES.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT CA CACTUS AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ROCKS.
UM, I MEAN REALLY, REALLY GOOD, SUSTAINABLE, RENEWABLE, GROWING, LIVING, UH, SOURCES.
AND WHEN YOU'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKWAY.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU ARE AT VERY CLOSE, WHERE ANYBODY VISITING IS AT VERY CLOSE CONTACT WITH WHATEVER'S GROWING.
AND IF IT'S FAKE GRASS, YOU CAN TELL IT'S FAKE BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE.
SO I, I CAN'T SUPPORT MORE TURF.
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS EXPRESSED THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT IT, UH, BECAUSE IT'S PROLIFERATING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST SO MUCH BETTER OPTIONS ENVIRONMENTALLY, UH, AND JUST AESTHETICALLY.
IS THERE, MR. FOGGERTY, I JUST WANNA ADD A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT THE, UM, ASTROTURF DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY WATERING SINCE IT'S MORE ENVIRONMENTAL IN THAT SENSE.
AND THERE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S AN APARTMENT BUILDING NEARBY WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DOGS THAT MAY CONTRIBUTE TO THIS STRIP THAT DOESN'T, UM, IT, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA LIVE IN ANY CASE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF GRAVEL'S THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO, BUT, UM, GETTING SOMETHING TO LIVE AND THAT KIND OF SITUATION IS PRETTY DIFFICULT.
EVEN IF IT DOES GET FULL SUN, NOT, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, BUT, UM, I SUPPORT THE AR ARTIFICIAL GRASS.
I THINK THE TECHNOLOGY HAS IMPROVED.
IT IS PERMEABLE, IT DOES DRAIN, AND IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN, THAN DIRT, WHICH IS WHAT WE SAW IN THAT PICTURE.
SO I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THE NOTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN, I'M SORRY FOR REPEATINGLY CALLING YOU COMMISSIONER FOGGERTY, WHICH I THINK COMES FROM THE SIMPSONS.
UH, LET'S SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS NOT COMMENTED YET HAS A COMMENT ON THIS.
I SUSPECT OPINIONS RUN STRONG.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE DILEMMA.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE DILEMMA AND I TOO AM, YOU KNOW, PLANET IT SENSITIVE.
I'M NOT GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BEYOND WHAT, UH, WE'RE CHARGED WITH.
I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO EMBRACE THE NOTION OF APPLYING ARTIFICIAL TURF OR GRASS, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, WITH ST PLASTIC, UM, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING, UM, GUIDELINES THAT PERMITTED.
UM, IT MAY BE THAT EVENTUALLY THE, UM, UH, ORDINANCES WILL BE ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY AND, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOODS WILL HAVE INPUT INTO WHAT THE ORDINANCES WILL SAY IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I PERSONALLY HAVE WOOD VIOLETS AND MY PARKWAY BECAUSE MINE IS A STRUGGLE AND IT GETS WAY TOO MUCH, UH, SHADE.
UM, I ALSO HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE PERMISSIBLE AND I DON'T HAVE ARTIFICIAL GRASP FOR THE REASON THAT IT IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE DISTRICT.
AND, UM, UM, WE WILL HAVE A PROLIFERATION AND THEN IT'LL BE UP TO US TO DECIDE IF IT'S A MATTER OF HIGH QUALITY OR NOT.
AND WHO'S TO SAY WHAT'S A HIGH QUALITY ARTIFICIAL CURVE? I MEAN, WE AREN'T THERE YET.
WE DON'T HAVE, UM, ANYTHING THAT OFFERS US, UM, GUIDELINES ACCORDINGLY.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I WON'T BE SUPPORTING MR. YES, THANK YOU.
I I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION AND I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS, UH, FRANKLY THAT IT'S TIME THAT WE DO LOOK AT VAGUE GUIDELINES.
UH, I DON'T SEE ANY BIG PROBLEM WITH HAVING A LIST OF ARTIFICIAL TURF OR WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, TO BRAIN FORCE, JUST LIKE WE DID PAINT OR WINDOWS OR SIDING OR ANYTHING ELSE.
SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.
ANYBODY ELSE? I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION IN A CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE LANDSCAPING AS PART OF THE WHOLE PACKAGE, IF WE CAN'T KEEP NATURAL PLANTS OR PLANTS THAT WERE GROWING IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, AND TEENS, TWENTIES IS THE 1890S NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, ARE WE GONNA BE PUTTING IN ARTIFICIAL, UH, PLANTS NEXT, UM, ARTIFICIAL TREES AND SILK THINGS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GROW THE OTHER? I MEAN, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
THIS IS HISTORIC DISTRICT AND IT NEEDS TO READ AS AN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THIS IS A SLIPPERY SLOPE AND I DON'T WANNA SEE, UM, ARTIFICIAL LAWS ALL OVER THESE HISTORIC
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DISTRICTS.I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER FALLACY, NOW IF YOU SPEAK, LET ME JUST FIRST SAY I MYSELF DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THIS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT SOMEDAY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE ARTIFICIAL TURKS AND THINGS BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN ARTIFICIAL TURFS EXCEPT THE OLD FASHIONED ASTRO TURF PEOPLE USED PUT ON THE PATIOS, WHICH LOOKED AWFUL.
BUT THE PICTURES LOOK PRETTY GOOD ON THIS.
BUT IF WE MOVE FORWARD TO CHANGING OUR APPROACH TO THAT WITH, I THINK WE'LL EVENTUALLY HAVE TO DO, WE DO NEED TO SEE SOME ARTIFICIAL TURF AND HELP US EVALUATE MORE ABOUT IT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT LASTS AND WHEN YOU THROW IT AWAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW REALISTIC IT LOOKS OR NON-REALISTIC, OR WHETHER IT JUST LOOKS RIDICULOUS THERE.
I JUST DON'T HAVE A BASIS FOR MAKING A JUDGMENT AT THIS POINT.
I CAN JUST IMAGINE SORT OF MR. PSON.
YEAH, I, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT I, SO FAR NOBODY'S RAISED AN ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN THAT WASN'T ABOUT WATER USE AND THE KIND OF PLANNINGS I'M TALKING ABOUT DO NOT REQUIRE ANY SUPPLEMENTAL WATER.
I AM, I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE NOTION THAT WE MUST MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN OUR AESTHETIC EXPECTATIONS OF OUR GREEN SPACES.
AND BY THAT I MEAN OUR PARKWAYS AND LAWNS.
YOU KNOW, FOR A LONG TIME, THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE LAWN WAS A MONOCULTURE OF ONE PARTICULAR KIND OF GRASS BERMUDAS IN AUGUSTINE.
UH, I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO SEE US ADJUST OUR EXPECTATIONS OF OUR PARKWAYS AND, UH, OTHER, UH, URBAN GREEN SPACES, WHICH IS WHAT A PARKWAY IS, TO INCLUDE POCKET PRAIRIES, TALL GRASSES, YOU KNOW, MID, MID-LEVEL GRASSES, OTHER KINDS OF, UH, THIS WAS A PRAIRIE, PRAIRIE FORBES.
THERE ARE PRAIRIE FORBES, THAT FLOWER, THEY, UM, THEY'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A SEASON, THEY'RE ATTRACTIVE, THEY'RE INTERESTING.
THEY DON'T REQUIRE SUPPLEMENTAL WATER, BUT WE HAVE TO ADJUST OUR EXPECTATIONS.
LET THEM GO TO SEED, LET THEM, YOU KNOW, LET THEM EXIST AS NATIVE PLANT COMMUNITIES.
AND YOU RAISE THE ISSUE OF, OF DOGS.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE A NATURAL PLANT, NATIVE PLANT COMMUNITY THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE DOG FECES AND THE LIKE, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HOSE IT OFF OF, OF SOME PLASTIC GRASS.
BUT, UM, I'M ALL FOR ADJUSTMENT OF OUR AESTHETIC EXPECTATIONS.
I JUST THINK THAT WE CAN DO IT IN MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WAYS.
THEN GRASS IS MADE OUT OF PETROCHEMICALS THAT EVENTUALLY GO TO THE LANDFILL.
AND ALSO THAT CONTRIBUTE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO OUR NATIVE POLLINATORS THAT DON'T SUPPORT, UH, THAT THEY JUST DON'T SUPPORT OUR LOCAL ECOSYSTEMS WHERE, AND, AND WE NEED ALL THE DIVERSITY THAT WE CAN BRING INTO URBAN LIFE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY MOSTLY CONCRETE.
I, YOU KNOW, I, AND I KNOW WE'VE SET UP A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TASK FORCE AS A PART OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IN THE PAST.
AND BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T REALLY SEE THAT ANY OF THEM HAVE SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGED THE PROGRAM IN ANY WAY.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION RECOGNIZED THAT THERE IS A GROWING MOVEMENT WITHIN THE CITY TO CREATE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY THAT PREEMPTS THE LANDMARK COMMISSION BECAUSE THE COMMISSION HAS CONSISTENTLY VOTED AGAINST TWO OF THE MOST BASIC THINGS THAT THEY HAVE ASKED US TO DO, WHICH IS AROUND THINGS SUCH AS THE ARTIFICIAL TURF AS WELL AS THE SOLAR PANELS.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THAT.
UM, BECAUSE I, I, I DON'T THINK A TASK FORCE WOULD TALK ABOUT IT TO, OR, OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES IS, IS GOING TO, TO PUSH THE NEEDLE.
SO THIS IS, UM, A VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSIONER POLICY HAS WROTE UP BECAUSE SHE IS RIGHT THEN MOVING FORWARD HARD.
IT MIGHT NOT BE THIS YEAR, BUT SOMEDAY THERE'S JUST GONNA BE A DIFFERENCE AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS.
BUT TODAY WE'RE JUST RULING ON THIS ONE LITTLE SCRIPT OF ARTIFICIAL TUR IN THE STATE THOMAS DISTRICT SO CALLING FOR A VOTE ON THIS MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? NAY.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE, WHICH ELAINE'S NOT HERE TO DO, SO SOMEBODY ELSE HAS TO DO IT.
OUR ATTORNEY WILL DO IT PERSONALLY.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN NAY.
DISTRICT TWO, UH, CHAIR MONTGOMERY NAY.
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COMMISSIONER OSA MARY, DISTRICT SEVEN.AND THEN ONE MORE TIME, COMMISSIONER SLATE.
AND I, I REALLY WANNA EMPHASIZE THAT MY VOTE AGAINST THIS ONE WAS PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF TURF AND BECAUSE OF THE STRONG OPPOSITION OF TASK FORCE MEMBERS WHO, WHO ACTUALLY SAW IT.
SO PERHAPS THEY'RE RIGHT, BUT WE, WE MUST BE OPEN TO, TO AT LEAST DISCUSSING WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE.
WHO'S GOT ANOTHER MOTION? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN HAS A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH 2 84 RRB 25 15 THOMAS AVENUE AND STATE PROMISES FOR 15.
I MOVE TO ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, UM, AND TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE REASON STATED IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE SECRETARY OF IMPERIAL STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
I THINK COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS THE FIRST SECOND ON THAT ONE.
I JUST WANTED HER TO REPEAT, UH, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN TO REPEAT HER MOTION OR AMENDED MOTION.
IT WAS A STRAIGHTFORWARD FIRST TIME, UM, MOTION THAT IN THE CASE 25 15 THOMAS CA 2 23 DASH 2 84 RD.
THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOR THE REASON STATED IN THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS REFERENCED.
MAY I PROCEED? COMMISSIONER SWAN? WE ARE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE WOOD GROWING IN THE FOREST THAT WE USED TO HAVE.
IT DOES NOT ENDURE THE WINDOWS THE WAY THAT IT USED TO.
THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF ENVIRONMENTAL ACCOMMODATIONS THAT WE WILL NEED TO MAKE.
I TEND TO BE MORE, YOU KNOW, UH, PROGRESSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO SOLAR, SOLAR PANELS.
BUT THIS IS AN AREA WHERE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHOICE IS NOT PUTTING MORE PETROCHEMICALS INTO FAKE GRASS.
THERE ARE BETTER, MORE INVI ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND CHOICES THAT ARE ALSO BETTER.
THIS IS NOT RESISTANCE TO CHANGE.
THIS IS SAYING LET'S ADJUST OUR AESTHETICS FOR A RICHER, MORE SUSTAINABLE BIODIVERSE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
I'M JUST GONNA ALSO NOTE THAT THOSE OF US WHO HAVE BEEN ACTIVE ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF THIS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE MOST OPPOSED TO THE FAKE GRASS.
I HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO ADD.
UM, LAWNS ARE LIVING THINGS TYPICALLY AND WE HAVE SEASONS, FOUR SEASONS, AND MY LAWN LOOKS DIFFERENT IN FEBRUARY THAN IT DOES IN JULY.
AND I DON'T THINK I WANNA LOOK TO MY NEIGHBOR'S LAWN AND SEE A BRIGHT GREEN LAWN WHEN ALL THE REST OF THE LAWNS HAVE DECLINED.
AND IT DRAWS ATTENTION TO SOMETHING, WHICH IN MY OPINION IS STRANGE AND NOT REAL.
AND I THINK THE HISTORIC DISTRICT NEEDS TO NOT BE STRANGE AND UNREAL.
WELL, I CLEARLY WE WILL ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE AND TO TRY TO MOVE TOWARDS AGREEMENT IN THE FUTURE.
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OKAY.UM, IT APPEARS THAT COMMISSIONER OPPOSITE OFF IT IS OPPOSED, OPPOSED, PEOPLE.
COMMISSIONER FOGELMAN,
I WAS GONNA SAY COMMISSIONER WADE.
UM, IT IS OF COURSE TECHNICALLY A DENIAL.
WELL, IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IT'S A DENIAL.
SO YOU WILL LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THEIR OPTION OF APPEALING TO SAFETY STATE.
NOW CAN WE DISCUSS NUMBER 13, UM, CITY ATTORNEY.
ARE WE GONNA DO THE CD FIRST STILL? AND THEN THE CA IS THERE SPECIFIC ORDER? 13 IS THE C.
YEAH, I I THINK LAST TIME THOUGH WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY DONE IT WITH THE CA WHERE WE APPROVE A DESIGN MORE IN KEEPING THAN THE EXISTING ONE WITHOUT HAVING YET SAID, WE MEAN YOU CAN DEMOLISH IT AND THEN WE DO IT THE OTHER WAY.
BUT YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NUMBERED HIM THIS WAY.
OKAY, SO LET'S GO AHEAD WITH 13 AND OKAY.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 13 61 18.
BRIAN PARKWAY, SWISS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CD 2 23 0 7 CM.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH ORIGINAL DETACHED GARAGE UNDER DEMOLITION STANDARDS, IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK.
WE DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANYBODY ON MY LIST.
I HEARD FROM ELAINE THAT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE CONTACT THAT HE WAS RUNNING LATE, BUT I DON'T HOW LATE TO SAY TO BE.
UM, ADRIAN, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER TIME? UH, OKAY.
I DON'T SEE HIM ON, WAS HE COMING IN PERSON OR I CANNOT TELL YOU.
I AM UNCERTAIN FRANK BARROW BRADY.
UM, I THINK FOR SOMETHING AS COMPLICATED AS THIS, IT'S BEST FOR US TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
DOES THE ATTORNEY HAVE ANY ARGUMENT WITH ME? SHE DOESN'T.
I THINK IT IS BEST THAT WE INCLUDE THE APPLICANT IN ORDER TO HAVE A FAIR ENDING TO THIS MADAM CHAIR, MR. OFFICE? YES.
YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE WOULD DELAY ANYTHING.
IF, IF, FOR INSTANCE, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
SO I'M, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DELAY IS, WHAT DELAY? I'M, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK WE SHOULD INVITE THE, UM, APPLICANT TO BE PRESENT AND SPEAK IN CASE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT EITHER THE DEMOLITION OR HIS FOLLOW UP REQUEST TO, TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD GET HIM ON AND INTRODUCE HIM.
SO LET'S, LET'S BRING THE APPLICANT ON SINCE APPARENTLY HE WAS HERE.
SOMEONE JUST CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT, PLEASE.
OKAY, SIR, I NEED YOU TO TURN YOUR VI YOUR VIDEO ON IT IS A STATE RULE.
OKAY? UM, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? OH, YOU'RE NOT, YOUR MIC'S NOT ON NOW SHOWS, IT'S ON NOW AND WE STILL CAN'T HEAR HIM.
STILL NOT GETTING ANY SOUND THAT SOUNDED LIKE SOUND.
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NOPE, WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT.UM, MR. REEDY, THIS DOES APPEAR TO BE SOMETHING TO DO WITH YOUR MICROPHONE.
IT'S ON OUR SIDE A LOT OF TIMES, BUT NOT THIS TIME.
DID YOU SAY HE SHOULD, IF YOU HAVE A HEADSET OR EARPIECE ON, MAYBE YOU SHOULD DISCONNECT THAT, SIR.
SO SINCE I THINK WE KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS FIRST ONE, UH, LET'S LET HIM WORK ON IT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET BACK WHEN IT BECOMES TIME TO DISCUSS THE REPLACEMENT BUILDING.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. OFFIT WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION ON D 13, WHICH IS THE CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION REQUEST.
I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE APPLICANT STAFF.
OKAY, THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE THIS OUT FOR, OR FOR, I MEAN, LET ME JUST THROW THIS OUT.
UH, THERE'S SOME BIG GARAGE DOORS ON THERE THAT MIGHT, THAT ARE REALLY COOL AND THEY MAY BE, THEY'RE HISTORIC.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMEPLACE THEY COULD BE REUSED ON THE, THE NEW GARAGE.
I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A SHED OR SOMETHING.
IS THERE, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF, OKAY, WELL WE CAN'T GET THAT ANSWER BECAUSE WE CANNOT GET HIM CONNECTED PROPERLY.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF ON THE NEW GARAGE THEY COULD BE REUSED AS LONG.
WELL, IF WE WERE TO GRANT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR US TO APPROVE OR NOT THE REPLACEMENT, WE COULD SAY, COULD YOU USE THOSE DOORS? SO LET'S GIVE 'EM A MINUTE TO WORK ON THAT WHILE WE DISCUSS THE CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION YOU SAID YOU WANTED TO MAKE? I DO.
UM, THE MATTER OF CD 2 23 0 7 6 1 1 8.
BRIAN PARKWAY, UH, I, EXCUSE ME, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR DEMOLITION AS RECOMMENDED BY TASK STAFF AND THE TASK FORCE, TASK FORCE SECOND.
I BELIEVE OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER OSA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, I CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, THEN THIS MOTION IS PASSED.
NOW WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO 14TH AND WE WILL TRY TO GET MR. REEDY BACK.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S JUST GONE OR WHAT'S UP THERE.
PROBABLY THE PHONE OR I SAID THAT EASY.
SO WE HAVE A SPEAKER, RACHEL CURRY, WHO WORKS WITH HIM AND WE CAN GET TO HER.
ALL RIGHT, MS. CURRY, ARE YOU THERE? WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY AUDIO.
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OKAY.OKAY, MS. CURRY, ARE YOU THERE? YOU'RE MUTED.
SINCE WE'RE HAVING SO MANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, WE'VE GOT ONE QUICK LITTLE CASE THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND DO THAT WHILE Y'ALL WORK ON YOUR TECHNOLOGY.
I HOPE YOU CAN HEAR ME AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND TRY TO DO THESE.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 17, 3 0 7 SOUTH ROSEMONT AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 2 73 CM.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE CHAINING FENCE AND REPLACED WITH BRASS STAFF.
UH, RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, NO QUORUM, HOWEVER, IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE FENCE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS OR A MOTION? WE DID HAVE A QUESTION DURING OUR BRIEFING ABOUT WHETHER THAT RETAINING WALL THAT IT'S SITTING ON CAN BE REMOVED WITHOUT CAUSING LAND TO SHIFT.
AND IF THE RETAINING WALL IS IN FACT ON THE PROPERTY OF THE APPLICANT, IN WHICH CASE, EVEN IF WE GRANT THE CA I ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE BUILDING INSPECTION THAT WOULD COME ALONG AND SAY YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY DO THAT UNDER I AGREE WITH YOUR CONCERN.
I MEAN, THE, THE GUY WITH THE DRIVEWAY WANTS TO REMOVE THE FENCE IN THE RETAINING WALL, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THE GUY NEXT DOOR HAS GOT THE LAWN THAT IS HIGHER AND YOU'RE KIND OF FORCING THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO REGRADE HIS YARD AND PUT IN A SLOPE.
AND I'M NOT SURE THAT YOU CAN SLOPE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO FROM 90 TO A 45, I, I'M AFRAID THAT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S GONNA HAVE TO DO A LOT OF REGRADING OF HIS PROPERTY.
SO I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO APPROVE THIS TODAY.
I I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE DOING IT UNLESS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS INVOLVED AND WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
MY, MY QUESTION IS, IF, IF IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE CHAINLINK FENCE, DO WE HAVE PURVIEW OVER THE OTHER COMMITTEE? CAN WE SAY NO BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED A PERMIT TO REMOVE THE WALL OR REGRADE? DO WE HAVE THAT PERMIT? THAT WAS NOT WHAT I WAS SUGGESTING.
I WAS SAYING THAT PROBABLY EVEN IF WE APPROVED IT, IF IT'S NOT ON HIS PROPERTY, SOMEONE ELSE WILL CATCH THAT LATER.
BUT, UM, I WOULD HATE FOR US TO APPROVE A HOMEOWNER TO MAKE A CHANGE TO THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S ON.
DO WE KNOW WHO OWNS THE FENCE? NO.
I, I'M ASSUMING IT'S HIM BECAUSE HE'S THE APPLICANT AND HE'S SAYING HE WANTS TO REMOVE THE FENCE AND HE ONLY SAYS THE CHAIN LEAN FENCE.
WAIT, THE WALL'S NOT PART OF THIS.
IT JUST SAYS CHAIN LEAN FENCE AND REPLACE WITH GRASS.
SO YOU CAN'T PLANT GRASS UNLESS YOU TAKE DOWN THE RIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE CLARITY, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE KNOWING EXACTLY WHO OWNS THE WALL AND THE FENCE BECAUSE IT COULD LAUNCH THE OTHER GUY.
AND I I, I WOULD BE, IF, IF I KNEW THE ANSWER, I'D BE COMFORTABLE TAKING THE FENCE DOWN AND LETTING THE WALL COME BACK.
AND IF THE GUY NEXT DOOR SAYS IT'S FINE, WHICH HE MIGHT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO, ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WOULD IT BE, UM, LOGICAL IN LIFE TO SIMPLY SAY IT'S AN APPROVED, UH, PERMISSION? UH, IT'S APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT PROVED THAT HE DOES INDEED OWN THAT STRIPLINE BECAUSE HE HAS NOT FURNISHED, UM, A SURVEY AND THAT SHOULD BE EASY FOR HIM TO PROVE UP.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A C CHANGE.
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MY QUESTION IS MM-HMM.AND YOU'RE LEAVING THAT TO STAFF TO DETERMINE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE WITH THESE CONDITIONS, YOU'RE LEAVING IT TO STAFF TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
I HAVE A SUGGEST HAS BEEN THERE FOR THE 30 PLUS YEARS.
I HAPPEN TO KNOW, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S NOT WHO OWES IT TURNS OUT NOT TO BE DEFENSIVE ISSUE, RIGHT.
WHO OWES OFFENSE? IT'S WHETHER OR NOT THIS FENCE WOULD, ALRIGHT.
WHY DOES IT NOT ME, MATT, WHO OWNS, BECAUSE IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED WORK WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE WILL HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT OR HAVE AN ADVERSE ON FUTURE PRESERVATION, MAINTENANCE AND USE OF THE STRUCTURE OR THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, OWNERSHIP OF THE FENCE THAT MAY, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING TO DEAL WITH THE STANDARD OF APPROVING THIS PROPOSED WORK.
IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM WHO OWNS IT, BUT WE DO NOT WANT TO ACCIDENTALLY APPROVE SOMEONE TO TAKE DOWN THEIR NEIGHBOR'S RETAINING WALL.
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND THAT IT BE COMMUNICATED TO THE PERSON THAT WHAT WE WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO APPROVE IS, UM, AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE RETAINING WALL.
IF IT'S NOT GOING TO STAY THERE, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO INSTEAD TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT THIS
SO WHAT OUR PROBLEM THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IS WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FINAL APPEARANCE OF THIS WILL BE WHEN IT IS DONE BECAUSE THEIR DESCRIPTION REMOVED THE FENCE AND REPLACED WITH GRASS DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE FACT THAT THE FENCE IS ON A CONCRETE RETAINING WALL.
CAN I ANSWER THAT PLEASE? I I THINK THAT THERE'S TWO THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, WHO OWNS THE RETAINING WALL? AND THE FENCE IS ONE ISSUE.
AND LET'S SAY FOR THIS CONVERSATION, THE GUY WITH THE DRIVEWAY OWNS ALL, HE TAKES IT OUT, IT'S GONNA HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR.
SO I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING BACK, HAVING NEXTDOOR NEIGHBOR PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
CUZ LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GO FROM 90 TO 45, THAT GUY'S GONNA REGRADE HIS YARD.
AND I WOULDN'T BE VERY HAPPY IF MY NEIGHBOR TOOK OUT A FENCE OR WALL AND MADE ME REGRADE MY PROPERTY.
AND THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE A, A COMMUNICATION BETWEEN EVERYBODY.
IS THAT SOMETHING I CAN TELL THEM THAT YOU HAVE TO COME BACK WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR
NO, BUT WE, WE WOULD NEED SOMEBODY, NOT YOU STAFF TO FIGURE OUT IF, IF THE RIGHT APPLICANT IS APPLYING FOR THIS.
BUT I I, OKAY, I THINK I WILL MAKE MOTION ON THIS ONE THAT LET'S THEM COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION AND YOU WILL FULLY SHARE WITH THEM OUR CONCERNS SUCH AS THEY HAVE BEEN, OKAY.
THIS IS NUMBER 17 IN THE MATTER CA 2 23 DASH 2 73 CM.
THAT 3 0 7 SOUTH ROSEMONT I MOVE THAT WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THE PROPOSED WORK WOULD HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND STAFF HAS BEEN INFORMED OF OUR CONCERNS AND MAY PASS THEM ON WHO? YES, THOSE KAMAN NEVER DID.
ANY FURTHER COMMENT? ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED APPEARS TO BE NO OPPOSED.
SO THIS HAS CARRIED, IT IS OF COURSE A DENIAL.
STAFF WILL COME ALSO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF APPEALING AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE
HAVE WE SOLVED MR. REY'S? DO WE SOLVE THE COMMUNICATION? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
YOU DIDN'T MEAN TO SCREAM IN THE MICROPHONE.
I I RAN AROUND MY CHICKEN WITH A HEAD CUTOFF TRYING TO FIND A NEW MIC.
I'M SO SORRY THAT LIFE HAS BEEN HARD, BUT YOU KNOW, WE ALL HATE TECHNOLOGY TOO.
ALL RIGHT, SO TO BEGIN WITH, I NEED YOU TO GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, MY NAME IS FRANK BARROW REY 61 18 BRYAN BRIAN PARKWAY.
AND, UM, I STILL NEED TO READ IT.
YOU, YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'LL TELL THE I SWEAR AND AFFIRM THAT I'LL TELL THE TRUTH.
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NOW YOU HAVE TO HANG ON BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T READ IT INTO THE DOCKET YET.IT'S LATE AND WE ARE ALL HURRYING
SO JUST HANG ON A MINUTE WHILE STAFF TALKS.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 14 61 18.
BRYAN PARKWAY, SWISS AVENUE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 2 64 CM.
REQUEST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW ACCESSORY STRUCTURE GARAGE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE.
ALL RIGHT, NOW, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO GIVE US ANY IN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THEN COMMISSIONERS MAY WANT TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
UH, CURRENTLY MY BUILDING IS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE AFTER THE NUMEROUS STORMS AND THE AGE OF IT, UH, IT'S DETERIORATED TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS A HAZARD AND I EVEN WON'T LET ANYONE IN IT.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY LEANING ONE WAY FROM UP ONE CORNER OF IT, AND THEN THE OTHER SIDE IS LEANING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
IF I MAY INTERRUPT, SIR, WE ALREADY APPROVED YOU TAKING IT DOWN.
SO NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANNA BUILD.
UH, SO USING THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS THAT RACHEL CURRY, MY ARCHITECT, WHO HAS WORKED ON NUMEROUS HISTORIC PROJECTS, UH, WE TOOK THESE SAME ELEMENTS AND JUST MODERNIZED IT TO THE SCALE OF A NORMAL BUILDING, UH, AS CONSTRUCTED.
NOW AS YOU SEE FROM MY NEIGHBORS, IT IS MY, MY PROPOSED, UH, BUILDING IS MUCH SMALLER THAN THE OTHER GARAGES NEXT DOOR.
IT JUST HAS A ATTIC AREA, A CARPORT AREA, AND A STORAGE AREA FOR MY GARDENING EQUIPMENT.
UM, WE USE THE SAME KIND OF, UH, FLASHING OR I DON'T KNOW THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL TERM FOR IT, BUT ELEMENTS THAT ARE REPRESENTED ON THE FRONT OF MY HOME, WHICH IS FROM 1919 AND 1923, UH, IT FOLLOWS THE SAME, UH, CLADDING.
AND I WILL USE THE SAME COLOR OF PAINT TO MATCH EACH ELEMENT.
UM, I'M REALLY NOT TRYING TO DO ANYTHING.
I AM MOVING IT, UH, TO THE MODERN SETBACKS.
SO IT WILL HAVE TO MOVE OFF OF THE CURRENT PLATE LOCATION, WHICH IS COMPLETELY AGAINST THE ALLEY.
SO IT'LL BE INAPPROPRIATELY, UH, FROM EACH SIDE.
AND IT ROUGHLY WILL BE THE SAME FOOTPRINT BECAUSE, UH, YOU SEE THE OLD ONE, UH, THERE WAS OLD THAT IT, IT HAD AN L SHAPE, BUT IT HAD AN AWNING THAT NO LONGER EXISTS.
AND ONCE THAT GETS IN PLACE, IT'LL BASICALLY TAKE THE SAME FOOTPRINT JUST WITH THE SAME WITH NEW SETBACKS.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE GARAGE DOORS ON THE EXISTING BUILDING.
ARE THEY IN GOOD SHAPE OR TOTALLY ROTTED? UH, THEY'RE GONE.
THEY BASICALLY IS HELD UP BY, UH, THE WAY IT'S LEANING.
IT'S, IT'S FORCED INTO IT AND THE WINDOWS ARE ALL BROKEN IN IT, SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO RIP THEM OUT AND THAT ONCE YOU TOOK THOSE OUT, THE ARCHITECT, THE STRUCTURAL, WE WOULD DISINTEGRATE BASICALLY.
SO THOSE, THOSE DOORS ARE NO LONGER SALVAGEABLE? NO, THE DOORS NOT, NOT AT ALL.
THERE'S MAYBE ONE OR TWO PIECES OF WOOD ON THE ENTIRE THING THAT'S SALVAGEABLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER OFFIT, UM, THE ITEMS CA 2 23 DASH 2 64 61 18.
BRIAN PARKWAY, UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND TASK FORCE FOR THE NEW STRUCTURE.
UH, COMMISSIONER SPEY HAS SECONDED THAT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, SIR, YOUR REQUEST IS APPROVED.
AND YOU HAVE A NEW MICROPHONE AND YOU'RE READY TO GO WITH WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO.
OKAY, WE HAVE ONE MORE AND INITIATION.
RHONDA DUNN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D 19.
THE PROPERTY, OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT'S A BRIDGE.
IT'S LOCATED AT THIRTY TWENTY THREE CLAYBORNE BOULEVARD.
UH, IT'S KNOWN AS EAGLE FORD BRIDGE.
THE REQUEST IS TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THE EAGLE FORD BRIDGE NUMBER FIVE.
AND DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTION ABOUT THIS OR COMMENT OR, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
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EXCUSE ME.UM, WHERE EXACTLY IS THIS LOCATED AND CAN ANYONE GET TO IT? UH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE.
THERE WAS A ROAD THAT USED TO GO THERE, AND NOW IT'S NO LONGER THERE.
I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THIS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? AND IF SO, HOW DO YOU GET TO GO LOOK AT IT? THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
I HAVE A MAP, BUT ON MY MAP, I DON'T HAVE STREET VIEW TO SHOW YOU HOW IT COULD POSSIBLY THAT.
SO IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT I MEAN, CAN YOU GET TO IT ON A, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LANDMARKING SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD AS FAR AS HOW CAN YOU GET THERE? DR.
DON, MAY I SPEAK? AM I ABLE TO SPEAK? YES.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THIS.
UH, IF YOU, UH, IT'S ON THE CORNER OF SINGLETON BOULEVARD, UH, NEAR, UH, LUKE 12 AND CLAYBORNE.
AND, UH, THE PERSON THAT TOOK THOSE PICTURES THERE, UH, IS UH, A FORMER COMMUNITY RESIDENT AND HE AND TWO OTHERS HAVE BEEN APPEALING FOR IT TO BE LANDMARKED, UH, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, IT DETERIORATES FURTHER OR OR DEVELOPMENT COMES INTO THE AREA.
SO HE WAS ABLE TO GET TO IT TO TAKE THOSE PICTURES.
IS IT SEEN FROM THE STREET I, IF I WANTED TO GO TO WHEN I GET TO THAT CORNER? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU GET THERE? IS IT RIGHT THERE? OR DO YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN A PATH AND ROUND BEHIND THE THREE? I THINK YOU HAVE TO, I THINK YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON, UH, THE, THE CLAYBORNE AND SINGLETON BOULEVARD.
YOU HAVE TO GO IN CUZ UH, IT'S PROBABLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT'S BRUSH AND SO FORTH.
BUT, UH, BUT YOU CAN GET TO IT.
AND MY NEXT QUESTION IS, IT APPEAR, CAN YOU GO TO THE PICTURE OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, THE, THE BASE OF IT THOUGH? YOU RIGHT THERE.
SO MY NEXT CONCERN IS WHAT KIND OF CONDITION IS IT IN? I KNOW THE CITY DALLAS OWNS THIS.
I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA MAINTAIN IT BECAUSE I SEE THINGS GROWING UP THROUGH THE CONCRETE, WHICH IS NEVER GOOD.
UM, I, MY CONCERN IS, ARE WE LANDMARKING SOMETHING? NOT ONLY IS IT HARD TO GET TO A, NO ONE WILL EVER SEE IT, BUT IS IT GOING TO, I IF WE LANDMARK IS, IS THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHOEVER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS OWNS IT, ARE THEY GONNA MAINTAIN IT OR ARE WE GETTING TO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO AFTER THE CITY OF DALLAS CUZ OF THINGS FALLING DOWN.
NOW WHAT KINDA CONDITION IS IT IN? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WELL THE, THE, UH, BRIDGE ITSELF ON THE SIDES, UH, IS, IS UH, IN GOOD CONDITION.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, UH, THE, THE FACING ITSELF IS NOT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY WILL DO TO BE HONEST, BUT, UH, I KNOW THAT THE, SOME OF THE FORMER RESIDENTS WANTED LANDMARKED, UH, WHEN IT DESIGNATED, UH, OKAY, MY NEXT, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT? I KNOW THERE'S BEEN, I'M SORRY, OTHER BRIDGES THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNATED AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF THE CITY OR THE COUNTY OR WHOEVER OWNS 'EM HAS BEEN MAINTAINING THEM.
MY, MY, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE CITY OF DALLAS BEEN INFORMED? ARE THEY SUPPORT OF THIS? THAT'S DR.
SO WHAT'S, WHO IN THE CITY OWNS IT? PUBLIC WORKS OR STREETS? PUBLIC WORKS.
THEY WERE THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY ASSIGNED THE ADDRESS TO IT FOR ME.
AND THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF SURVEYING IT FOR US, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IN INITIATE THIS THAT WE FIND OUT IS STRUCTURAL CAPACITY, WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN IT.
AND MY CONCERN IS IF WE LANDMARK INITIATE THIS, WE START A WHOLE BIG PILE OF STUFF.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BUILD, THIS BRIDGE IS GONNA MAKE IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK IN A GOOD SHAPE AND MAYBE IN A HUNDRED PERCENT GOOD SHAPE, LET'S GO WITH A BUNCH OF CRAP.
BUT I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TAKING ON A CITY DALLAS PROJECT THAT NO ONE HAS MAINTAINED FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.
AND WHERE'S IT GOING FROM HERE? UM, DID THIS, DID YOU TALK ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST DESIGNATION COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH I MISSED CUZ I HAD TO GO TO ANOTHER MEETING? YES, WE DID.
AND DID THEY HAVE ANY SUCH CONCERNS OR DID THEY WANT IT MOVED FORWARD TO US? THEY WANTED IT MOVED FORWARD.
IT WAS VOTED UNANIMOUS TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
AND OF COURSE THERE IS AT LEAST ONE ARCHITECT ON THAT COMMITTEE WHO PROBABLY WOULD'VE SPOTTED FROM THESE PICTURES IF HE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA FALL DOWN.
IT COULD BE ALL THOSE PLANTS ARE JUST GROWING IN THAT ACCUMULATED MULCH.
THEY CAN DO THAT, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM.
UM, TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTIONS TO TERMINATE THE INITIATION AND IF THE CITY PEOPLE WHO ARE IN CHARGE OF TAKING CARE OF IT AND THEIR PUBLIC WORKS DIDN'T ASK ABOUT THAT, I THINK THAT
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IT MUST BE IN BETTER SHAPE THAN THESE PHOTOS ARE SUGGESTING.AND APPARENTLY WE COULD ALL GO AND LOOK AT THIS.
IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN WE'RE DOING THE QUASI-JUDICIAL THING AND INITIATION, WE'RE FREE TO GO GATHER OUT THERE IF WE WANT AND, AND CHECK IT OUT OURSELVES.
SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE INITIATION IF GIVEN THAT THE INITIATION, THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS WORTH MOVING FORWARD TO EXPLORE AND THEY'RE VERY BUSY, SO THEY WOULDN'T DO THAT IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, MADAM CHAIR, TO GET A VERY BRIEF, UM, UPDATE NOW THAT DESIGNATION IS MEETING AGAIN AND AS A STAFF PERSON TO ME BE BRIEFED ON THE STATUS OF THE INITIATION, MR. WHEN THEY MIGHT EXPIRE AND SO FORTH? WE CERTAINLY COULD.
I SUGGEST WE WAIT UNTIL NEXT TIME BECAUSE DR.
DUNN WILL HAVE TO THINK A LITTLE BIT.
CUZ WE HAVE A LOT, ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER DOING NOTHING, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS COMING THROUGH.
WE'RE NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO JUGGLE THEM.
AND I NEVER ANSWERED TO EMAIL ABOUT WHETHER I COULD WRITE THAT ONE.
SEE IF I CAN FIND SOMEONE ELSE.
SO ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION WITH THIS ONE? LIKE I'M SAYING, IF WE VOTE TO INITIATE THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A DONE DEAL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HOPES THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE FIND A GOOD REASON TO STOP, WE'LL STOP.
AM I ABLE TO MAKE THE MOTION SINCE I, UH, RECOMMENDED? YES, YOU ARE.
IN THE MATTER OF THIRTY TWENTY THREE CLAYBORNE BOULEVARD AT SINGLETON, WHICH IS EAGLE FORD BRIDGE NUMBER FIVE, I MOVE THAT WE REQUEST A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR THE EAGLE FORD BRIDGE.
SECOND, I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER OFFIT SECONDED THAT ONE IN A RESOUNDING ECHO WAY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY HI.
ALL THOSE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION.
IT HAS PASSED AND THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WILL BEGIN.
UM, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
THAT IS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING.
AND WE ALREADY APPROVED THE MINUTES, WHICH I WILL NOW SIGN.
SO IT IS 5 35