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AND, AND, AND SOUND.UH, SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND,
[Environmental Health Committee on April 6, 2023.]
YOU KNOW, CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.UM, AND IF IT HELPS, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, AARON, I WOULD CALL HIM THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 6 24.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT HELPS AARON TO DO THE, UM, THE MINUTES, UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE PUT YOUR NAME IN THE CHAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
AND SO WE DO NOT HAVE ANY, UM, PUBLIC SPEAKERS THIS EVENING, UM, BUT OUR, OUR LOVELY SELVES.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES US SOME TIME TO REALLY GET DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY AND THE WORK OF, UH, WHAT WE HAVE, UH, AHEAD OF US.
UM, FOR OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, OH, UM, THIS IS, GIMME JUST ONE MOMENT.
WE'LL DO A VERBAL, WE'LL DO A, WE'LL DO A VERBAL ROLL CALL.
UM, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP, DR.
I KNOW THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER, UM, ROBERTSON IS TRYING TO GET INTO THE, THE CALL THIS EVENING, SO I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S HAVING THIS EXPERIENCING THE SAME TROUBLE THAT YOU HAD.
UM, COMMISSIONER BARRY LOCKMAN HERE.
I WAS, I WAS GONNA SAY FULL OFK, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
AND THEN I HAVE MYSELF AND, UM, AND SUE ALVAREZ, WHO'S WITH US THIS EVENING.
ERIN IS AT ANOTHER MEETING, A COMMUNITY MEETING.
SO, UH, WE GET THE PLEASURE OF HAVING SUE WITH US THIS EVENING.
UM, SO OUR DISCUSSION ITEMS ARE THE CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT HEALTH DASHBOARD.
UM, I, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT I HAD DISCOVERED AND THOUGHT THAT IT MAY BE, UM, OF A BENEFIT, UM, TO THE GROUP.
AND, UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT WEBSITE, BUT, UM, IT IS A CONGRESSIONAL CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT HEALTH DASHBOARD.ORG.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD, UM, A GOOD RESOURCE FOR US, UM, AS WE'RE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS AROUND OUR CITY.
AND I KNOW I DO KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL A PART OF DIFFERENT, UH, CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS, AND, UM, BUT IF YOU ARE ABLE TO, AND, AND, AND ERIN, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE CAPABILITIES OF, OF SHARING MY SCREEN, BUT I CAN TRY
I'M, UH, MY ALLERGIES AND NOT BEING MY FRIEND RIGHT NOW.
CAN YOU ALL SEE MY SCREEN? YES.
UH, SO
UM, SO THEN I, I PULLED UP MY DISTRICT, WHICH IS DISTRICT 30.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU SOME, UH, INFORMATION, INFORMATION AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, AIR POLLUTION IN PARTICULATE MATTER.
UM, IT TALKS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BINGE DRINKING, LIKE ALL THE HEALTH ISSUES WITHIN, UM, WITHIN A PARTICULAR DISTRICT.
UM, YOU KNOW, DEATHS, BROADBAND CONNECTION, CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE, CHILDREN IN POVERTY, UM, DENTAL CARE, DIABETES, UM,
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YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT, I FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT COVERED QUITE A BIT.AND THIS COULD BE A, A RESOURCE, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR US AS WE ARE DOING THIS WORK IN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT LEAD EXPOSURE, WHICH IS, I KNOW, UM, A BIG PASSION, UH, FOR DR.
UM, LIFE EXPECTANCY, YOU KNOW, BIRTH WEIGHT, UM, SEGREGATION, OBESITY.
IT HAS SEVERAL, SEVERAL, SEVERAL, UM, POINTS, UM, THAT I, I THINK ARE, THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR, TO OUR WORK AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE THAT
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND SO THEN WE CAN, WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU, YOU KNOW, FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR OWN DISTRICTS, UH, YOU KNOW, AND OF AREAS THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT AND ADVOCATE.
UM, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SO THAT WE HAVE OUR HANDS ON THE PULSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE ENVIRONMENT THAT, THAT WE ARE IN, AND BEING ABLE TO SHARE THAT, I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY GOOD.
OH, YEAH, I, I ATTENDED THAT, UM, JUST SOME MONTHS AGO, UM, WHEN THEY INTRODUCED IT, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, VERY RELEVANT.
AND I, AND IT'S, AND IT'S GONNA BE UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UH, I WANNA SAY THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE UPDATING IT PROBABLY ANNUALLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS, UM, IT'S STUFF I WANNA SAY IT'S FROM, AND MAYBE 20 19, 20 20, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THE ABSOLUTE MOST UP TO DATE.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT THINGS MOVE A LITTLE, A LITTLE SLOWLY MORE SLOWLY.
AND, AND, UM, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BE WORKING ON THIS AND, AND MAKING THIS, UM, MAKING THIS VIABLE FOR US AS WELL.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR SUGGESTIONS OR INSIGHTS? I THINK THE MORE TOOLS WE HAVE, THE BETTER WE ARE MOST DEFINITELY DR.
SO, UM,
UH, IT'S JUST CON, UH, CONGREGATION CONGRESSIONAL, NOT THE CONGREGATIONAL, LORD, HE MERCY CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT HEALTH DASHBOARD.ORG.
AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT TO ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THEIR DISTRICT, BUT YOU CAN, UM, IF YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR DISTRICT, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, UM, FIND IT HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, AND PUT IT LIKE YOUR ADDRESS,
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER WAY THAT WE CAN ADVOCATE AND, AND SPEAK TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES.
ALL RIGHT? SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE, UM, WELL, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS, UH, AND, AND ADDRESSING FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, UH, ARE DEVELOPING SOME, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS,
UM, AND SO I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, TRADING BACK AND FORTH, UH, SOME ARTICLES, UH, YOU KNOW, TO READ AND TO CONSIDER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE FIRST UP IS OUR VAPING POLICIES.
UM, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR UP FOR DISCUSSION, UM, REGARDING THE VAPING POLICIES.
AND, YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I'VE FOUND, I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN, UH, IN OUR MEETINGS PREVIOUSLY.
HOWEVER, UM, UH, I KNOW HADDI AND MYSELF HAVE SENT, UH, SOME IN RECENT, UH, ARTICLES CONCERNING VAPING POLICIES AND, AND WHERE THEY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, IN EFFECT.
AND WE DO KNOW THAT DALLAS, UM, CURRENTLY OUT OF ALL OF THE MAJOR CITIES IN TEXAS DOES NOT HAVE ONE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE AS A, UM, AS A A, AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, UH, COMMITTEE, UM, YOU KNOW, ARE ABLE TO, UM, MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUR CITY COUNCIL, UH, WELL, TO THE COMMISSION, UM, TO THE, UM, TO THOSE LEADERS, UM, AND, AND MOVE IT FORWARD IF WE SO DESIRE SO FLOOR'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
WELL, I, YOU KNOW, I, IN PART, I THINK THIS STARTED BECAUSE I DISCOVERED AN ARTICLE POINTING OUT THAT OF THE SIX LARGEST CITIES IN, UM, TEXAS,
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UH, THAT DALLAS WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE VAPING AS PART OF THE SMOKING ORDINANCE.IT WAS IN THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, TEXAS MEDICAL ASSOCIATION NEWS.
AND, UH, I, I THOUGHT THAT WAS APPALLING AND THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE, TO TAKE ACTION.
SO, UH, MY OPINION ON THAT HAS NOT CHANGED.
UH, AND I THINK MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE, UH, HAVE DONE FABULOUS WORK AT POINTING OUT THE EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THE HEALTH HAZARD, THE HAZARDS THAT VAPING ENTAILS, AND THAT BECAUSE OF THAT, UM, WE ARE DUTY BOUND IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH OF THOSE THAT WE SERVE AS, UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE IN ORDER TO ACT.
AND, UH, I WOULD, I COMMITTEE, WE DISCUSSED WHAT THE, UM, THE ELEMENTS OF THAT WOULD BE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY FORMALLY PROPOSED, HAVE WE FORMALLY PROPOSED WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE? NO, WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT AS, AS OF YET.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO PLEASE KNOW I'M OPEN, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS, UM, YOU KNOW, HEARING ANY VERBIAGE THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT IS INCLUDED, UM, IN THAT POLICY.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP THAT AND, AND SHARE THAT OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AMONGST THE GROUP AND, AND, UH, TO SEE IF WE RECEIVED CONSENSUS AROUND THAT, AND IF WE CAN, UM, GET A VOTE AROUND THAT.
UM, AND SO WANTED TO CHECK IN WITH, UH, DR.
ASHAY AND HEIDI, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS YOUR FEELINGS, UM, REGARDING THE, UH, UH, VAPING POLICIES.
I, I FEEL REALLY STRONGLY IN SUPPORT OF, UM, VAPING PO POLICIES TO LIMIT, UM, VAPING IN PUBLIC SPACES.
I, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S LOTS OF EVIDENCE THAT POINTS TOWARDS THE HARMS OF, OF, OF VAPING AND VAPING EXPOSURE.
UM, I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD WORK TOWARDS, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK WE NEED TO WORK TOWARDS THE VERBIAGE DURING THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO WORK TOWARDS, UM, THE VERBIAGE OF, UM, OF A RECOMMENDATION.
I DO WONDER IF WE CAN GET SOME, UM, TEMPLATES OR TEMPLATES, UM, OF, OF LANGUAGE FROM OTHER CITIES, UM, THAT HAVE, UM, SUCCESSFULLY ENACTED THAT.
AND MAYBE WE CAN WORKSHOP THAT THROUGH EMAIL, UM, TO EDIT, TO, TO EDIT AND MAKE SOMETHING THAT'LL WORK FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, I THINK I'LL SAY THE SAME.
THE EVIDENCE AS FAR AS THE HARMFUL EFFECTS ARE QUITE CLEAR.
UM, THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT? AND TO WHAT EXTENT? UM, AND SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUT DID WE INCLUDE, UM, WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IN OUR, UM, RESEARCH YET? AND SO THEN WE CAN USE THAT AS OUR GUIDE FOR WHAT WE THINK IS, IS GOOD.
UM, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I DO KNOW IN A COUPLE OTHER ARTICLES, UH, IT DOES GIVE THE INFORMATION OF WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE.
I WANNA SAY THE ONE THAT STICKS OUT RIGHT NOW IS HOUSTON.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN KIND, YOU KNOW, MODEL OURSELVES AFTER THAT TEMPLATE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT I SAW MOST IS IT WAS, IT, IT WASN'T LIKE THE CREATION OF A NEW POLICY, IT WAS AN EXTENSION OF AN EXISTING POLICY THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE.
SO ON THE, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO THE, UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE WOULD JUST FIND THE, THE CURRENT, UM, UH, DALLAS SMOKING POLICY AND ADD VAPING TO THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT CERTAINLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE TWO PARTS.
I THINK ONE IS GONNA BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF ADDING IT TO THE CURRENT POLICY, AND THEN THE, WHAT THAT CURRENT POLICY, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT CURRENT POLICY COULD BE, UH, INCLUDE VAPING, UH, UH, ON THE SECOND PART AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR, UM, FOR THE, UM, FOR OUR CITY COUNCIL HERE.
AND, AND HEIDI, YOU THINK YOU CAN HEAR YOUR, YOUR INSIGHTS? YEAH.
UM, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UM, I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
WHEN WE ARE, UM, SAYING WE'RE GONNA RECOMMEND
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THAT WE HAVE MORE RESTRICTIONS WITH REGARDS TO VAPING, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT BOTH TOBACCO RELATED VAPING OR NICOTINE AND NON-NICOTINE, OR JUST NICOTINE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.THAT'S A, IT'S A REALLY, REALLY GOOD QUESTION, AND I THINK WE PROBABLY HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO IT.
MY PREFERENCE IS, UM, JUST ELECTRONIC DEVICES, RIGHT? BECAUSE I MM-HMM.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE CITY CODE FOR, UM, AUSTIN, AND THEY SAY ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICE MEANS ANY PRODUCT CONTAINING OR DELIVERING NICOTINE OR ANY OTHER SUBSTANCE INTENDED FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, OH, IT'S NOT NICOTINE.
OKAY, WELL, HOW DO WE THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, I SAW AN ARTICLE THAT MENTIONED THAT A LOT OF, UM, VAPING PRODUCTS THAT ARE LABELED AS NON-NICOTINE ACTUALLY DO HAVE NICOTINE MM-HMM.
SO THAT COULD BE A CASE, UM, TO SAY THAT, HEY, WE DON'T KNOW, CUZ IT'S NOT REGULATED AS MUCH.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE KEY WORDS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT I'M KIND OF PULLING FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EVIDENCE OF THE HARMFUL EFFECTS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO ELIMINATE IT IN PUBLIC SPACING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT VAPING AND VAPING EXPOSURE.
UM, AND I, YOU KNOW, AND THEN I THINK EVEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ALL, YOU KNOW, ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICES, CUZ I, I, IT, I DO AGREE WITH DR.
ASHAY, IT WOULD BE VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE
AND THEN IF WE JUST HAVE, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF JUST COVERS IT, THEN IT, IT LEAVES LESS TO, UM, LESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER QUESTIONS OR, UM, OR ISSUES THAT THAT MAY ARISE IN, IN THAT REGARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND SOMEONE CAN VERY EASILY SAY, OH, IT'S NOT NICOTINE, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS NOT THE, BUT IT'S ALSO NOT THE, UM, WHAT'S IN IT, IT, IT'S THE VAPING PROCESS ALTOGETHER.
THEY WERE, SPEAKING OF MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UM, THE BASE THAT THEY USE FOR THE BASING MM-HMM.
UM, SO THERE'S THAT CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
UM, I JUST LOOKED UP AND SENT YOU ALL A COPY OF THE DALLAS SMOKING ORDINANCE, UM, AS SOMETHING TO WORK FROM.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FORMAL ORDINANCE, UM, RATHER THAN LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE SUPPLY TO CITY BUILDINGS ONLY.
UH, THE ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY TO EVERYTHING.
AND I'M, I'M NOT HARDWIRED IN, SO I CAN'T GET INTO MM-HMM.
BUT THAT IS WHAT DISCUSSION YOU MAY WANNA HAVE, IS DO WE WANT IT JUST FOR CITY BUILDINGS OR DO WE WANT THAT ORDINANCE? AND IT COULD BE, IF WE DO IT CITYWIDE, THERE MAY BE SOME PUSHBACK.
SO I, AND I'M OPEN TO I GUESS EXTENT AND I'M HAPPY TO FIND THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE MM-HMM.
I'M JUST NOT HARDWIRED IN, SO I CAN'T ACCESS THAT DROP RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M HAPPY TO FIND IT AND SEND IT AS WELL.
OH GOSH, THAT'S
UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND I, AND, AND PLEASE FORGIVE ME CUZ I, I CAN'T RECALL, UM, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WITH THE OTHER CITY ORDINANCES, IT WAS, WAS IT ONLY ON CITY PROPERTY OR WAS IT CITYWIDE? THE POLICIES? UH, DR.
LOCKMAN ASKED YOU YOUR HAND UP AS WELL.
OH YEAH, I, I I WAS FROM, UM, FROM WHAT I READ ABOUT HOUSTON, IT, IT DID SAY THAT IT HAD ADD, THEY HAD ADDED, UH, VAPING TO THE SMOKING ORDINANCE.
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SO ON INVOLVING, UM, SMOKING, UH, THAT IT BE THE SAME, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAME BREATH, THAT IT'D BE THAT WIDESPREAD BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC HEALTH HERE, AND THE PEOPLE WHOSE HEALTH IS AFFECTED ARE MOSTLY IN THEIR LIVES NOT HANGING OUT IN CITY BUILDINGS.AND THE HARM TO THEM IS, IS OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T SAY THEY CAN'T DO IT IN THEIR HOMES, THAT MIGHT BE DESIRABLE, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT REACH.
BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY IN PUBLIC PLACES, AND SUE IS GOING TO, UH, GO AND GET HARDWIRED IN THE OFFICE, UM, TO SHARE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE WITH US.
UM, THIS IS A RICH CONVERSATION, DR.
I, I TEND TO AGREE THAT I THINK IF WE'RE GONNA GO FOR IT, I THINK WE NEED TO GO FOR THE, OR, YOU KNOW, ADJUST, AMEND THE ORDINANCE AND MAKE IT CITYWIDE.
AND IF WE HAVE TO COMPROMISE, THEN WE DO CITY PLACES.
BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA, IT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO MAKE THE ULTIMATE DECISION.
AND I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A VERY STRONG ARGUMENT FOR WHY THIS NEEDS TO BE CITYWIDE WHEN WE MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
UH, HONEY, UM, I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME WE MET, I THINK IT WAS YOU, DR.
ALA, UM, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, FLAVORED VAPING PRODUCTS IS A GATEWAY FOR MOST MINORS.
AND, UM, LA IS BANNING FLAVORED, UM, VAPING PRODUCTS.
UM, THEY HAVE ALREADY ACTUALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, HELLO CANDY UHHUH? YES, RENEE.
I'M SORRY IF I'M INTERRUPTING PEOPLE.
I'M ON MY PHONE AND I CAN'T SEE WHEN I, WHEN I'M INTERRUPTING.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THE CITY WENT SMOKELESS WITH HOSPITALS, WITH INSIDE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, COULD WE NOT JUST MAKE A AMENDMENTS AND SLIDE VAPING INTO THAT THAT'S ALREADY THERE? YES.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT WE, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, PRIOR TO YOU, UH, GETTING ON THE CALL.
I'M SORRY I WAS LATE CAUSE THAT I COULDN'T GET ON, BUT THAT WOULD BE EASIER.
YOU ALREADY HAVE, HAVE IT IN PLACE.
AND I THINK IF WE, IF WE USE THE SAME AUSTIN LANGUAGE OF ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE DEVICES MM-HMM.
AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE SO SPECIFIC CUZ WE'RE WORKING VERY HARD AT SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF OFF READY IN PLACE.
SO WE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THEY SAY, WE'RE SMARTER, NOT HARDER.
ASTE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, HAS, HAD, HAD A CHANCE AND HOTTIE AND, UH, DR.
LAHAM IN YOUR HANDS ARE STILL RAISED.
UM, IS THAT FOR A REASON? I WANTED TO NOPE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN FAVOR OF, UM, YOU KNOW, STARTING THE DRAFT OF SOME RECOMME A RECOMMENDATION REGARDING, UH, VAPING POLICIES.
AND, AND SUE'S HERE GOING TO, UH, SHARE THE, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR FOR US.
BUT, UM, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE IN AGREEMENT TO, UM, UH, TO ADD THIS ON TO THE PRESENT, UM, POLICY ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS ALREADY HAS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND AND I, I, I LIKE DR.
ALABI, WE'RE GONNA GO BIG, YOU KNOW, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND MAKE THE BIG RECOMMENDATION AND, AND YOU KNOW, AND THEY MAY WANT US TO CONCEDE ON, ON SOMETHING OR OTHER, BUT, UM, BUT IT, IT ALLOWS US TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY PUT OUT HOW, HOW WE ARE FEELING AND, AND THE, THE, UM, HOW WE STRONGLY FEEL, UM, ABOUT THIS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE SOME HEADWAY ON THAT.
AND SO, UM, WHAT WE CAN DO IS COLLECTIVELY, UH, AND, AND, AND I'LL RE-SHARE, UH, THE, THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DID FOR THE, THE LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT, LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT.
SO THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, IN, IN THE INTERIM OF LOOKING FOR A TEMPLATE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE THAT
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AS OUR TEMPLATE.UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK, WORK THAT DOCUMENT COLLECTIVELY, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER EMAIL AND, UM, AND THEN BE READY TO PRESENT SOMETHING.
UM, IT WON'T BE AT THIS COMING MEETING CUZ THAT'S NEXT WEEK, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY, HOPEFULLY, WE'LL, WE'LL BE READY BY, BY THE MONTH OF MAY.
BY, BY THE SECOND WEEK IN MAY WHEN WE HAVE OUR ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING.
WE WANNA HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA HAVE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE TO THE, THE COMMISSION AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE GONNA ALL STAND TOGETHER, YOU, UH, AND MAKE THIS PRESENTATION ALL IN FAVOR.
UH, AND SUE, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTOR? UM, YEAH, MY MIND, I, I FOUND THAT BOTH THE CITY OF DALLAS SMOKING ORDINANCE AND ALSO THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE THAT APPLIES TO CITY BUILDINGS AND STAFF.
WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT DIRECTIVE WAS UPDATED IN 2014 TO INCLUDE WHAT THEY'RE REFERRING TO AS E-CIGARETTES, WHICH IS BASICALLY VAPING.
UM, I THINK THEIR DEFINITION PROBABLY NEEDS SOME CLEANING UP.
UM, BUT IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO START AND IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING THE PUBLIC TO DO ANYTHING, WE'RE NOT DOING OURSELVES MM-HMM.
IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE Y'ALL DANGEROUS.
LOOK AT US
YOU KNOW, BUT THEN IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SHOWS WE ALREADY HAVE PRECEDENTS.
WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHER CITIES, BUT EVEN WITHIN OUR OWN CITY.
AND YOU EMAILED THAT TO US AS WELL.
SO OUR NEXT, UH, POINT OF DISCUSSION, UH, UH, IS THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANT BUFFER ZONES.
UM, SO I OPENED THE FLOOR UP FOR A CONVERSATION, UM, OF WHAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE FEEL THAT THOSE BUFFER ZONES, UH, SHOULD BE, AND I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A, A CONVERSATION THAT WAS HAD TODAY, UH,
THAT I HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, DO WE KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT BUFFER ZONES ARE? YOU KNOW, DO WE KNOW WHAT, UM, WHAT THAT, THAT, THAT REACH IS? UM, AND, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU RENEE.
I HAD THAT CONVERSATION AT TWO 30 WITH, UM, JULIA PLANNING, URBAN PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.
AND RIGHT NOW IN ALL WEEK I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, SENDING PEOPLE OUT TO CODE.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, THEY ACT AT THE MEETING.
HE ACTUALLY, VERNON ACTUALLY SAID THAT WE HAVE SHOWED THEM SOME OF THE LOOPHOLES.
ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THESE BATS, WHEN I GOT TWO OF THEM, I'M FIGHTING IN DISTRICT EIGHT ONE THAT WE THINK THIS OTHER ONE IS ONE THAT WE'VE ALREADY FOUGHT.
THE ONE ON TRINITY RIVER FOREST, THEY'VE NOT REALLY EVER HAD A PERMIT.
AND NOW THEY HAVE A NEW OWNER.
THE PROBLEM IS THE PERMIT WITH THESE BATCH PLANTS, THE PERMIT GOES ON THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE OWNER.
SO IF YOU GET A NEW OWNER, UH, AND YOU ARE ALREADY OPERATING SO YOU CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
SO WE HAVE NO POWER TO TRY TO GET RID OF RID OF THESE THINGS CAUSE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERING THEM IN.
AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE CEMENT, I GET IT.
BUT SOME OF THESE PLACES ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING OUR, THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE GAVE THEM.
THEY'RE TRYING TO DO RACIAL IN, YOU KNOW, THE ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICE AND ALL THAT.
SO YOU WALK IN THE WALK, BUT I NEED TO SEE THAT IN ACTION.
SO THESE PERMITS KEEP BEING GIVEN OUT.
SO NOW WE HAVE A PUBLIC, WE'RE TRYING TO GET A PUBLIC HEARING SET UP BECAUSE THIS THING IS, UH, THAT WHEN YOU GO DOWN THREE 10, UH, IT'S RIGHT, IT'S KIND OF RIGHT AROUND THE CURVE OF TRINITY RIVER FOREST.
IT'S GONNA BRING LOTS OF DUST AND THINGS INTO THE COMMUNITY.
BUT THE BIG PROBLEM IS THERE'S NO PROTOCOL, THERE'S NO, AT THE, THE LEGISLATIVE LEVEL, WE HAD TO GET, UM, TONY ROSE, CHANEL GOT IN TOUCH WITH HER, SUPPOSEDLY TO TRY TO HELP US SET UP HEARINGS.
SO NO MATTER WHAT WE, I DON'T WANNA SAY IT DOESN'T MATTER, BUT THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE HAVE SUGGESTED AND ASKED THEM TO FOLLOW ENVIRONMENTAL
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IMPACT AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S NOT BEING DONE.I EVEN HAVE A, UH, ONE THAT MAY BE COMING UP SOON.
I'VE BEEN ON THE PHONE WITH, UH, CHRIS CHRISTIAN DIRECTIVE CODE, AND THEY WERE VERY NICE AND HELPING.
AND HE WENT, SENT SOMEBODY RIGHT OUT, FOUND THREE VIOLATIONS, TOLD THEM NOT TO WORK LUNCHTIME, I GET A CALL FROM MARSHA JACKSON, 12 TRUCKS ARE DOWN THERE DUMPING GRAVEL, AND WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHO STOPS THIS, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO, THERE'S NO ACCOUNTABILITY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHO STOPS THESE THINGS.
SO PART OF OUR PROTOCOL NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY FOLLOW THESE THINGS CUZ WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEY'RE NOT BEING FOLLOWED AND THEIR THINGS ARE BEING GRANDFATHERED IN.
UM, CAN YOU BE CLEAR, RENEE, WHO IS THE OWNERS AREN'T FOLLOWING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE WE ALSO WELL, THE OWNERS, THE OWNERS DON'T, THE THE OWNERS, THE NEW OWNER HAD THE PERMIT GOES FROM, GOES ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU NOT THE OWNER, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT, UH, I, I THINK MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU SAY OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED, LET'S BE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHO'S NOT FOLLOWING THEM.
WE KNOW THAT THE FOLLOW, I DON'T SEE THE OWNERS.
I DON'T SEE THE OWNERS FOLLOWING THOSE PROTOCOLS, AND I DON'T SEE IT BEING ENFORCED.
WE ASK THAT THERE BE ECONOMIC IMPACTS.
WE ASK THAT THERE BE, THERE BE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, UH, WHEN, WHEN THINGS LIKE BATCH PLANTS SET UP IN COMMUNITIES, AND I DON'T SEE THAT BEING DONE IN SOME SITUATIONS.
WE, I'VE BEEN TOLD WE DON'T NEED AN ENVIRONMENTAL, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T NEED AN ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, IMPACT STUDY FIRST.
UH, I, I'M, THE, MY REASON FOR ASKING IS IN ANOTHER SITUATION THAT I AM DEALING WITH, WE'RE FINDING THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, WHICH INVOLVES HOUSING CODE VIOLATIONS.
BASICALLY, IF THEY MAKE THREE CALLS TO THE OWNER, UH, AND, UH, OR YOU KNOW, THREE CALLS OUT TO THE COMPLEX, THE CASE IS CLOSED EVEN THOUGH THE SITUATION IS NOT RESOLVED.
YOU KNOW, A FAILED CALL SHOWS THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING, EITHER THEY'RE CALLING THE WRONG PEOPLE OR THERE'S WILL TO CONTINUE TO OFFEND, YOU KNOW, TO BE PART OF THE OFFENSE.
AND, UH, WELL, LET ME, UH, I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT WE ALSO NEED TO BE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THAT THERE, AS YOU ARE SAYING, THAT THERE IS ACTION TAKEN AS WELL.
UH, WHEN THERE, WHEN THERE ARE PROBLEMS IN THE CASE THAT YOU CITED, CODE ENFORCEMENT DID REACH OUT, THEY WERE IGNORED, AND THERE HAS TO BE CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT.
THEY GAVE, THEY, THEY FOUND THREE VIOLATIONS EMAILED TO ME WHAT THOSE VIOLATIONS WERE.
I WAS VERY PLEASED THEY WENT OUT.
BUT THEN THE VERY NEXT DAY, TODAY, THIS MORNING AT 10, UH, THE COMMUNITY'S CALLING ME TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY CONTINUE TO WORK EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE TOLD NOT TO.
SO, UH, WE WERE, I WAS INSTRUCTED TO HAVE, UH, THE COMMUNITY CALL CHRIS CHRISTIAN.
AGAIN, HE'S THE DIRECTOR CODE, UM, COMPLIANCE.
AND, UH, NEXT TUESDAY AT SEVEN, UH, TENNELL IS HAVING A, UH, LEADERSHIP COALITION MEETING THAT HE HAS EVERY MO ONCE A MONTH.
AND THE GUEST SPEAKER IS GOING TO BE CHRIS CHRISTIAN.
AND QUESTIONS LIKE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, WE CAN ADRE WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE TO HIM.
AND I TALK TO HIM PERSONALLY AND HE IS WILLING TO LISTEN AND TO HELP.
SO WHAT I WILL SAY, THANK YOU, UH, RENEE, DOC.
UM, AND SO, UH, SUSAN HERE HAS SENT US AN EMAIL, UM, AS IT RELATES TO YOUR CONCERN, UM, THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP RENEE, ABOUT THE, THE CURRENT BATCH PLANT.
AND, UM, BUT I, I DID WANNA KIND OF KEEP US, UH, GOING, YOU KNOW, AS RELATES TO CONCRETE BATCH, PLANT BUFFER ZONES, UH, ON OUR AGENDA.
ASHAY, YOU SENT, YOU JUST SHARED, UH, A COUPLE ARTICLES, UM, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO THOSE BUFFER ZONES.
UM, WOULD YOU, UH, KINDA GIVE US, UM, I GUESS A, A, A SUMMARY OR, UH, THE FINDINGS? ABSOLUTELY.
IT WAS QUITE DIFFICULT ACTUALLY TO SEE STUDIES THAT DEFINED, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL ZONE BY METER OR YARD.
UM, BUT THIS WAS A STUDY IN NIGERIA AND IT ACTUALLY OUTLINED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S STUDY OF RATS
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AND THAT THEY STUDIED TO SEE WHAT, IF ANY CHANGES OCCURRED TO THE LONG TISSUE FROM THE BRONCHIALS, YOU KNOW, WHICH ARE THE AIR PIPES, THE SMALLER AIRWAYS THAT LEAD TO THE AIR SAC LEVEL.AND IT WAS INTERESTING THAT, UM, AT TOOTH, WELL, THEY CHECKED AT 2 50, 500, A THOUSAND, TWO 50 METERS, 500 METERS, A THOUSAND METERS.
AND THEN, UM, THE RATS AT SIX KILOMETER, SIX KILOMETERS.
AND, UM, ESSENTIALLY EVEN AT A THOUSAND METERS, WHICH IS ABOUT CLOSE TO, I MEAN, ONE, IT IT'S ABOUT ONE TO ONE.
SO EVEN AT ABOUT A THOUSAND YARDS, EVEN THOUGH THE ALVEOLA SAC, WHICH ARE THE FINAL PLACE WHERE AIR EXCHANGE HAPPENS, UM, WAS NORMAL, UM, YOU'VE STILL HAD SOME DAMAGED BRONCHIALS AND, UM, INFLAMMATION, UM, OR SIGNS OF INFLAMMATION PRESENT.
UM, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT DALLAS CITY, UM, BUFFER ZONE IS 440.
UM, AND SO EVEN AT DOUBLE OF WHAT WE HAD, UM, WHAT WE HAVE, YOU STILL SEE SOME, UM, SOME CHANGES ASIDE FROM THE IMPACT ON THE LUNGS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NOTICED, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IMPLICATION IS AS FAR AS HUMANS, IT'S HARD TO DO A STUDY OF LIVE HUMAN BEINGS AND SAY, HERE, LET'S TAKE PART OF YOUR LUNG
UM, BUT THERE WAS SOME GROWTH RETARDATION, UM, THAT WAS NOTICED IN THE RAT AS WELL.
AND YOU KNOW, AS YOU THINK OF KIDS GROWING UP CLOSE TO BATCH PLANTS, ARE THERE SOME IMPACTS ON GROWTH? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THIS IS THE CLOSEST THAT I FOUND AS FAR AS DISTANCE AND IMPACT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THEN THERE WAS, UM, A STUDY IN HOUSTON.
IT REALLY DIDN'T DEFINE, YOU KNOW, BY METERS, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUFFER ZONES.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST, THIS PAPER ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT POLLUTION OUTSIDE A THIRD OF CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS AND METAL RECYCLERS SURVEYED, UM, WERE ESSENTIALLY SIMILAR TO AREAS ALONG MAJOR, UM, FREEWAYS.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF I WERE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON WHAT I'VE SEEN HERE, I WOULD SAY AT LEAST DOUBLING AND ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, TO OUR CURRENT BUFFER ZONE.
UM, I THINK I SAW SOMETHING WHERE THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE WHO WAS RECOMMENDING AT LEAST DOUBLING, UM, WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD START.
YEAH, I, I'VE REALLY STRUGGLED WITH FINDING DATA AND I, AND I'M SO GLAD YOU GOT THIS.
AND WE ACTUALLY, AND I ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO IT CUZ I HAVEN'T HAD ACCESS TO SOME OF THESE, THIS, THIS DATA, EVEN THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW, I I, I THINK DOUBLING IT, I, I WAS TRYING TO FIND SOME DATA THAT WAS ACTUALLY ACTIONABLE THAT WOULD SUPPORT SOME KIND OF BUFFER ZONE.
AND IT'S REALLY SO HARD TO FIND.
THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF RESEARCH, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS, I THINK SOMETHING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WELL WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH RA, UH, YOU KNOW, REALM AND, AND, AND IN, UM, LIKE CONSTRUCTION AND ALL THAT, YOU WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE MORE DATA, BUT THERE ISN'T.
BUT I'M SO GLAD YOU FOUND SOMETHING AND IT'S SO CLEAR.
LIKE YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE THE DAMAGE ON THE PATHOLOGY SLIDES, ON THE HISTOLOGY SLIDES.
UM, I I MEAN I THINK THIS WOULD BE GREAT.
SO SUPPORT OF IT AND YEAH, I THINK DOUBLING SOUNDS AMAZING.
NOW, I GUESS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, I DON'T, I KNOW SO MUCH LESS ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT LIKE THE, THE REGULATORY LIKE RULES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
LIKE IS THIS SOMETHING FOR, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE FOR NEW BATCH PLANTS, BUT WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT BATCH PLANTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN GRANDFATHERED AND THINGS LIKE THAT? AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT AND DO WE SAY IF THEY'RE LESS THAN SO FAR, IF THEY'RE LESS THAN A THOUSAND METERS AWAY, THESE ARE PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, BATCH PLANTS THAT NEED TO BE RETIRED OR SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE DO WE NEED TO BE THAT AGGRESSIVE? I, I DON'T KNOW.
SO, UM, I ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS AN ARTICLE, I READ AN ARTICLE TODAY ABOUT THE CITY OF MCKINNEY, UM, THAT'S REZONING CERTAIN AREAS AND BECAUSE OF THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY CLOSING DOWN SOME CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS AND THEY'RE NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OR NOT TO RENEW.
UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S TO RENEW THEIR PERMIT.
THAT IS, AND THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE SOMETHING
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TO LOOK AT FOR THE EXISTING PATCH FUNDS.AND HOW LONG, HOW LONG ARE THE, THE PERMITS, UH, VIABLE? I HAVE TO CHECK.
I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
AND, UH, SUE YOU HAD SOMETHING I, I'M SENDING YOU MORE LIGHT.
UM, OUR, UM, ZONING ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IS WORKING ON PHASE TWO OF OUR REGULATIONS.
AND IN THAT THEY HAVE A TABLE OF SETBACK DISTANCES.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE BASED ON, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE IN THE 1500 TO 1600 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT, ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE.
SO I'M SENDING IT BACK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AS WELL, CUZ THAT THAT'S WHAT OUR PLANNING FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT.
I SENT YOU WHAT THEY CALL THE PACKET THAT GOES TO THE, UM, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY VOTED ON THESE YET.
AND SO IT, IT COULD BE A YAY NAY.
WE RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S UP TO OR WE RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, EXTENDING THESE BUFFERS FOR WHATEVER DISTANCE.
BUT, UH, WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THE MOST UP TO DATE.
IT'S FROM DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY HAVE NOT YET VOTED ON IT.
SO IT COULD BE IF THE COLLECTIVE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE FINDING INDICATES THAT LARGER BUFFERS ARE NEEDED, MAYBE THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION WE, WE GIVE.
OR IT COULD BE A VERY GENTLE GET TO IT FOLKS.
YOU KNOW, QUIT LO AND GAGGING, BUT, WELL, THAT, I THINK THAT MAKES MAKE OUR, OUR IT MAY YOUR WORK A LOT EASIER.
IF WE ALREADY HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, ZONING WORKING TOWARDS IT AND THEN WE CAN JUST BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THEM.
AND SO, UM, IF WE WANNA OH, GO AHEAD.
NO, NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST GONNA SUGGEST IF WE WOULD LIKE TO DRAFT A RECOMMENDATION AROUND THEIR SUGGESTIONS, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE WERE SAYING, WE WERE SAYING DOUBLING IT AND THAT WAS ONLY GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS WHAT, EIGHT 60, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, I MEAN THAT, AND SO WHAT ZONING IS PROPOSING IS TO DOUBLE WHAT WE'RE DOUBLING, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST SEE IF THEY'VE GOT CITATIONS.
BECAUSE EVEN AT A THOUSAND, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH HIGHER UP IN THE LUNG SPACES YOU HAD NORMAL, I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE SOME DAMAGE NOT AS SEVERE, BUT STILL SOME DAMAGE.
THERE'S A FILE THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT L IT SAYS SOMETHING, LET ME SEE WHAT THE FILE NAME IS.
THAT'S WHY I'M TELLING YOU WHAT TO LOOK FOR.
CUZ THERE'S A BUNCH OF FILES AND IT'S KIND OF TUCKED DOWN.
IT'LL SAY DCA 2 12 0 3 AND IT SAYS ZAC CASE REPORT LL FINAL COMBINED.
AND THAT'S THE FILE THAT IS IN THERE.
IT ALSO INCLUDES ALL OF THEIR DELIBERATIONS ON WHAT TO DO TO DATE.
SO GIVES YOU A PRETTY GOOD FEEL FOR KIND OF WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT, WHAT THEY WERE CONSIDERING, WHAT REFERENCES THEY WERE ABLE TO FIND.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A HELPFUL DOCUMENT FOR YOU.
WILL YOU REALLY LIKE HELPING? HEY, I MEAN, I I JUST LOVE THE WHOLE TAG TEAM ASPECT OF IT.
UM, SO, UH, FROM HERE WE CAN REVIEW, UM, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
SO, UM, SO LET'S SAY THAT THE BUFFER ZONE HAS BEEN SETTLED.
UM, HOW DO WE, UM, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF BATCH PLANTS IN A CERTAIN AREA? UM, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE BATCH PLANTS CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER STILL NEEDING THAT BUFFER ZONE.
UM, SO HOW DO WE, UM, PREVENT THAT? BECAUSE MOST, MOST, UM, CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS ARE LOCATED IN LIKE PREDOMINANTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, ECONOMICALLY, UM, GUESS CHALLENGED AREAS, UM, OR MINORITY AREAS AS WELL.
SO HOW, HOW DO WE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ZONING, ZONING ORDINANCE IS A PLACE TO ADD THAT TOO, BUT I'M SURE I THINK THE ZONING OF THE ZONING, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE BACK PLANTS THAT WE'VE HAD, THAT WE'VE HAD TO TRY TO FIGHT THE PROBLEM IS THINGS ARE ZONED.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LEDBETTER, BONNEY VIEW, LEDBETTER IS, IS, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND BODY VIEW IS RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
SO WITH THOSE MIXED ZONINGS LIKE THAT, AND THEY, YOU SEE A LOT OF THAT SOUTH, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, PROTECTS
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SOME OF THESE THINGS FROM COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY.OUR CHURCH IS RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NEXT TO IT WITH LANE PLATING AND THAT'S INDUSTRIAL.
SO IF THEY STOP, IF THEY LOOK AT THE, YOU KNOW, THINGS SHOULD BE RESIDENTIAL OR MAYBE RETAIL, BUT THESE THINGS ARE INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
UM, I I THINK HEIDI, WHAT YOU HAVE OPENED UP IS, UH, YOU, YOU'RE ON THE ROLL WITH THESE QUESTIONS, MA'AM.
NO, NO, I MEAN, BUT I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE COLLECT, WE WORK COLLECTIVELY FOR THE ANSWERS, BUT, UM, BUT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, IT'S ASKING THOSE HARD QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, WE WERE JUST, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE WERE THINKING A LITTLE SMALLER, JUST SAYING, OKAY, OKAY, LET'S GET THE BUFFER ZONES.
BUT THEN NOT ONLY IS IT THE BUFFER ZONE, THE PROBLEM, BUT IT'S THE OVER PROLIFERATION OF THESE BATCH PLANTS IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN IN CONSIDERATION OF, OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WE CAN ADD, YOU KNOW, ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, ADD SOME LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, NOT IF THIS MEANS THAT WE NEED TO DO SOME MORE GREATER RESEARCH AROUND THIS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT CITIES HAVE LIMITED, YOU KNOW, AND HOW THEY HAVE, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, MONITORED AND, AND LIMITED THE NUMBER OF BATCH PLANTS IN CERTAIN PARTS OF, OF THEIR CITIES.
UM, SO THEN, YOU KNOW, SO THEN THAT, THAT BURDEN OF THAT BATCH PLAN IS NOT ALL IN ONE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, BUT IF IT, IF IT MUST EXIST, THAT IT IS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS SHARED.
UM, ONE OF THE, TO ME, ONE OF THE IRONIES OF THE ARGUMENT THAT WE'RE HEARING, UH, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS VERY SIGNIFICANT IS WHEN IT COMES TO GROUP HOMES IN AN AREA, SAY THE CONCENTRATION IS IMPORTANT IN THE DECISION, BUT IF IT'S A BATCH PLANT, IT'S NOT.
SO THE GROUP HOMES ARE BEING ADDED IN, UM, AREAS WHICH ARE MORE, UH, AFFLUENT AND THEY'RE PUSHING BACK AND GETTING ACTION.
BUT WHY IS IT THAT WE CAN'T GET ACTION ABOUT CONCENTRATIONS IN LOW INCOME AREAS IF THEY'RE BATCH PLANTS? THAT SMACKS TO ME OF INSTITUTIONAL RACISM.
AND I, BUT I ALSO THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, WHICH WHAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP.
SO, SO WHAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WOULDN'T THE BENEFIT BE FOR US TO UTILIZE THAT SAME LANGUAGE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, UH, COMMUNITIES, UM, THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE SAME WAY THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE JUST MENTIONING THEY DON'T, THEY, THEY DON'T WANT THE, THE BOARDING HOMES IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS OR, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK WE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF SET THE STAGE OF, WELL, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THESE COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRE IS NOT FOR AN OVER CONCENTRATION OF, OF BATCH PLANTS.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, SAME WAY THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT EVERYTHING ELSE SHARED AND DIVIDED.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP SOME LANGUAGE AROUND THAT.
ALABI, I SEE YOUR HAND RAISED.
YEAH, SO I MEAN, I, I, I WONDER, I DON'T, I I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT HERE.
IF WE UTILIZE, IF WE USE, UM, VERBIAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT EMPHASIZES THAT THESE ARE VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES FROM A HEALTH EQUITY STANDPOINT, LIKE THESE ARE COMMUNITIES THAT CLEARLY HAVE, UM, INCREASED, UM, UH, LIKE U UTILIZING THE, UM, THE DISTRICT INFORMATION THAT YOU GAVE, THE, THE, UM, THE WEBSITE THAT YOU GAVE, WE CAN SAY, OR, YOU KNOW, P C C I OR OTHER, OTHER AVENUES, WE CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THESE VULNERABLE, UM, UH, THE, WHICH WITHIN THESE AREAS WITH, UM, PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE, UM, POPULATIONS OF PEOPLE FROM A HEALTH EQUITY STANDPOINT, WE FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE, WE SHOULD BE EVEN MORE STRINGENT WITH OUR, UM, BUFFER ZONES, UM, IN THOSE PARTICULAR, UM, COMMUNITIES, UM, TO BETTER, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THEIR HEALTH, UM, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO PHRASE IT.
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE, WE REALLY NEED TO SAY IN, IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS NOW HOW WE DEFINE THOSE AREAS, THAT IS WHERE I, UH, WOULD, IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING.
UM, OTHER THAN USING LIKE THE, THE, THE DATA THAT WE'VE ALREADY, THE, THE, THE, UM, LIKE MAYBE WE CAN USE THE EJ JUST JUST THE EJ, UM, SCREEN DASHBOARD.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE EJ DASHBOARD, LET ME BE QUITE HONEST.
I, I, I WOULD THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUBLIC HEALTH, THAT, THAT TO ME, THE BEST LOCAL MEASURE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS NOW DOWN TO THE BLOCK LEVEL.
AND I SEE, UH, UH, CANDACE NODDING
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IS, UH, LOOK AT THE ASTHMA DASHBOARD AND PCC.YEAH, I WAS TAKING THE PEDIATRIC ASTHMA DASHBOARD, ANYTHING.
AND, AND THE, THE CORE THING IS YOU COULD HAVE A REGULATION THAT SAYS, FOR INSTANCE, THAT YOU CAN'T LOCATE A BATCH PLANT IN AN AREA THAT'S A FOUR OR A FIVE ON, ON A MEASURE THAT AFFECT ON WHATEVER MEASURE THEY HAVE THAT AFFECTS BATCH PLANTS.
IT HAS TO BE A THREE OR LESS THERE.
YOU'VE GOT A CONCRETE WAY OF DOING IT.
YOU'VE GOT A VALIDATED METHODOLOGY THAT'S ENFORCEABLE.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO DR.
WALKER, I THOUGHT YOU WERE ALSO GONNA MENTION THE, UH, COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
UM, AND SO THAT'LL BE A, A MAJOR, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, IF WE COMBINE, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE TWO RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, IN MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT, UH, WE'LL, WELL, NO, NOT TWO, BUT ALSO WITH THE ZONING, I THINK, UM, IT, IT MAKES THE CASE.
I, I THINK WE CAN, I HONESTLY THINK WE CAN DEFI, I, I DON'T WANT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, BUT I HONESTLY THINK WE COULD BE VERY CLEAR AND DEFINE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND JUST BE VERY CLEAR THAT THESE ARE THE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN FIND THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS OR, OR REFINE THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, BY, BY UTILIZING, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE ASTHMA DASHBOARD OR, OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I DON'T WANNA TAKE IT DOWN TO A BLACK LEVEL.
I THINK TAKING IT DOWN TO A BLACK LEVEL IS ONLY GOING TO LEAD TO A LEGO OR A PATCHWORK IF PEOPLE JUST KIND OF MAKING A NET AND, AND CAPTURING PEOPLE IN THESE LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ISLANDS.
UM, BUT, UH, AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT I WORRY ABOUT A LITTLE BIT.
UM, I FEEL LIKE THIS WENT THIS PARTICULAR, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CENSUS TRACT? SAY THAT AGAIN? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CENSUS TRACT? I THINK CENSUS TRACT IS A LITTLE BIT BROADER, AND I LIKE THAT A LITTLE.
THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AROUND CODE ENFORCEMENT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG CENSUS TRACK'S ABOUT, RIGHT.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AS WELL.
YOU READY? UM, SO
SOUNDING LIKE A DELEGATION IS YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GONNA ASK.
SO THIS EVENING WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATION, UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, SO I I, MY ASK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR DR.
LOCKMAN, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, RENEE, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO GO, WOULD WORK ON THE CONCRETE BATCH PLANT BUFFER ZONE RECOMMENDATION, UM, INCLUSIVE OF, OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL WANT ME TO TAKE A PICTURE OF MY, MY SCRIBBLE NOTES, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL.
AND, UM, AND THEN FOR THE, THE VAPING POLICY, UM, YOU KNOW, DR.
ASTE AND HOTTY, UH, AND MYSELF, UH, CAN WORK ON THAT RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL BE WORK SHOPPING THIS, UM, OVER THE NEXT MONTH.
UM, AND SO THEN WHEN WE COME TO THAT, UH, THAT THAT MAIN MEETING, WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE FIRING OFF ON ALL CYLINDERS AND THEY DON'T, THEY WON'T KNOW WHAT, HOW, HOW WE DID IT ALL.
SO Y'ALL, ARE Y'ALL GOOGLE THOSE ASSIGNMENTS? YEAH, CANDACE, THAT'S A GREAT ASSIGNMENT FOR ME TO WORK ON CUZ UH, I'M INTERESTED IN BOTH OF 'EM AND I'M GOING THROUGH IT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE INSTRUMENTAL IN WORKING ON THAT WITH DATA.
AND ANYTHING ELSE? I'M GONNA HAVE TO HOP OFF THE CALL CAUSE THEY CHANGED THE TIME FOR THE SERVICES FOR TONIGHT.
UM, BUT I, I WILL TAKE THAT ASSIGNMENT AND SHARE IT.
UM, YEAH, I'D RATHER DO VAPING CUZ I, I PUT, BUT I'LL DO, I'LL DO BATCH PLANTS.
WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, WELL IF, IF, IF, IF HOTTIE OR, OR, UH, SORRY, IT'S JUST SO HARD TO FIND INFORMATION ABOUT BUFFER ZONES, BUT, UM, IF YOU INSIST I'LL SWITCH, BUT I'LL PREFER VAPING TOO.
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ON MUTE.I MEAN, WE COULD STILL COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER.
I THINK WE WE'RE STILL GONNA WORK TOGETHER AND JUST YEAH, I THINK WE'RE STILL GONNA WORK TOGETHER.
YEAH, WE'RE ALL GONNA WORK TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE OUR SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT.
I'LL SWITCH OVER TO CONCRETE BATCH CLASS.
WE, WE HAVE HOMEWORK AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL RELAY THOSE.
UM, I'M, I'M, WHICH ONE OF MY WORK YOU GOT? I WANNA MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT NOTED.
LOCKMAN, YOU ARE WORKING ON THE BATCH PLANT BOOK BATCH PLANTS.
YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THAT WEALTH OF INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE AS IT RELATES TO, TO ASTHMA, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE NEED YOUR VOICE IN THAT AREA.
AND THEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF VOTING ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA, CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS ON VAPING POLICIES TO BE PREVENTED.
SO, UH, IS THERE, UM, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, AMONGST US, UH, YOU KNOW, TO CONSIDER PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION ON, UH, VAPING POLICIES TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, COMMISSION, THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION? SO, MOVE, I'LL SECOND THEN.
LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS LOADING.
SO WHO, WHO MADE THE MOTION? I DID.
SO, UM, WE HAVE IT BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UH, SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN NEXT, UM, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMISSION RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO CONCRETE BATCHED, PLANT BUFFER ZONES TO BE PRESENTED TO THE FULL ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION IN MAY? THE BOTH OF THESE ARE FOR THE MONTH OF MAY.
SO THAT IS BY UNANIMOUS CONSENT AND VOTE.
NO NEED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UM, UH, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE REQUESTED A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
UM, I, I'M, I, I WANNA, OR LIKELY TO SEE THE, UM, UH, TO SEE, UH, ANYTHING GO, UH, PAST THE COMMISSION, UH, TO THE, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, ON ANY OF OUR ISSUES.
I'M GONNA, UH, REFER THAT TOO TO SUE.
TYPICALLY IT, AS SOON AS YOU GET IT TO THE COMMISSION PROPER, THAT FOLLOWING COUNSEL MEETING IS WHEN, UH, MS WITH CHAIR BOZA MM-HMM.
AND YOUR MEMOS IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN ATTACHED MM-HMM.
SO IT'LL BE, IF THE SPECIFIC ONE IS, IS THAT I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN ANYTHING, ANY ACTION YET ON THE LAWN, UH, ON THE LAWN EQUIPMENT AND, UM, UH, AND, AND, UH, LEAF BLOWERS, THAT IS BECAUSE OUR OFFICE WAS DELEGATED TO BRING FORWARD A PLAN NO LATER THAN MAY.
I, UH, I I I'M IMPATIENT BY NATURE.
IT'S A GOOD THING IMATIS DRIVES PROGRESS.
BUT ALSO KEEPS US HONEST AND, AND KEEPS US ABREAST OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE DOING.
CUZ I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET CAUGHT UP IN DOING THAT.
ONE OF, TWO OF THE THINGS THAT ARE TAKING WAY MORE TIME THAN WE THOUGHT THEY WOULD IS WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING COMMUNITY SURVEYS ON, UH, BOTH RESIDENTIAL LEAF BLOWING AND
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COMMERCIAL LEAF BLOWING.WE'VE ALSO BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO GET AN INVENTORY, UM, BOTH OF CITY EQUIPMENT AND EQUIPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
UM, AND IT, IT IS MAINLY BECAUSE, UM, THERE ARE A COUPLE LAWS THAT, IN FACT THERE MAYBE A FEW MORE IF THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE GETS WITH, THERE ARE SOME THEFT LAWS THAT, UH, PREEMPT LOCAL, UH, LAW MAKING RELATIVE TO SMALL OFF-ROAD MACHINES.
THE GOOD NEWS IS IT ALSO PREEMPTS THE STATE FROM MAKING REGULATIONS ABOUT SMALL.
SO THE STATE CAN'T DO ALL THOSE BILLS THEY'VE GOT THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW ABOUT, UH, BANNING US FROM DOING THIS.
SO, BUT, BUT WITH CONSIDERATION OF CONS OF EXISTING LEGAL CONSTRAINTS, I STRONGLY SUSPECT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE IN THE WORLD OF EITHER TRYING TO LEGISLATE ON NOISE, WHICH IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FROM A CODE STANDPOINT.
SO IT'S EITHER GONNA BE WITH USING THE NOISE ORDINANCE OR USING, UH, POSITIVE INCENTIVES AND REBATES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND I, AND I HONESTLY THINK THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE WE END UP IS THE POSITIVE.
AND IT, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T DO BOTH.
MOST OF THE STORES WE'VE BEEN IN HAVE BEEN FEATURING ELECTRIC EQUIPMENT ANYWAY, WHICH IS JUST REALLY WEIRD THAT THERE'S SUCH A THING WITH PEOPLE CLINGING TO THEIR, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT.
I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO TAKE UP SO MUCH OF OUR TIME.
WELL, IS THERE, UH, A MOTION TO ADJOURN OR Y'ALL JUST WANNA STAY HERE ALL NIGHT AT THE CITY? IT'S SO MUCH FUN.
SO, UM, HEIDI, YOU MADE THE MOTION? YES.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, DR.
ALL IN FAVOR OF AJOUR FOR THIS EVENING.
UH, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING, UH, TIME AND FOR, UH, FOR THIS DELICIOUS CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING.
UM, I AM, I, I'M, I'M JUST SO THANKFUL, UH, FOR EACH OF YOU AND THE WISDOM THAT YOU BRING TO THIS WORK.
SO IF I DON'T SAY THANK YOU ENOUGH, PLEASE KNOW, UM, MY HEART IS FULL OF GRATITUDE, UM, BECAUSE YOUR, EVERYBODY'S A VOLUNTEER HERE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE, BUT, BUT BECAUSE WE CARE AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE.