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[Community Police Oversight Board on April 11, 2023.]
PRACTICE AND NOW I'M GOING LIVE.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD.
THE TIME IS NOW 5:42 PM UH, BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE ON WEBEX, MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERAS ON.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST AND COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR AND THOROUGHLY ARE TRANSPARENT, AND ENSURE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT, PROCESSED DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS.
ENSURE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT COMPLAINTS, REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
DIRECT THE MONITOR, THE OFFICER OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH EXCEPT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.
TAKES SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.
REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS, EXCUSE ME, BOARD DECORUM DURING BOARD MEETINGS, MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC AND OUR GUESTS SHALL PRESERVE ORDER IN DECORUM AND SHALL NEITHER BY CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS.
DON'T REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OF THE, OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
ALL MEMBERS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO SO THE EMPLOYEES AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS.
REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES PER ADOPT.
THE RULES AND PROCEDURE SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON, WHERE SOME DISCRETION BY THE CHAIR IS NEEDED BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.
THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE TO THREE MINUTES.
UM, PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE TAKEN NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING, PLEASE UNDERSTAND OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND TO HAVE HEALTHY, EVEN SPIRITED DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES THAT I MENTIONED PRIOR.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS AVAILABLE? CHAIRMAN? I HAVE NO ONE ONLINE BEFORE I, OKAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ONLINE OR IN THE ROOM THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, BUT FIRST WE'LL TAKE ROLL.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE CAPACITY, RIGHT? DISTRICT 14.
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DISTRICT 15.JOHN MARK DAVIDSON PRESENT? YEAH.
DISTRICT 11 IS ARLENE STEINFELD.
I JUST WANNA TRY AND GET ONLINE.
THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR JOINING US, ESPECIALLY OUR BOARD MEMBERS THAT ARE OUT ON IN WEBEX LAND.
HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT, UH, WEEKEND.
AND, UM, THE LAST PART OF, OF MARCH AND THE BEGINNING OF APRIL HAS BEEN WELL FOR YOU.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UH, AND I'LL GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO REVIEW THE MINUTES AND THEN ONCE YOU FINISH REVIEWING, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE A SECOND? YOUR 15? JOHN MARK DAVIDSON.
IS IT PROPERLY, UH, MOVED AND SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY UNREADINESS BEFORE I PUT IT TO A VOTE? OKAY.
SO AGENDA ITEM TWO A ACTUALLY IS NOT, THAT WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING UNLESS SHE'S COMING BACK.
CONVERSATION WITH DALLAS DEPUTY MANAGER, KIMBERLY TOLBERT.
TWO A IS THE, UH, TRAINING TWO A IS TRAINING REALLY MY, YES.
THAT'S TAB, THAT'S FOR AGENDA ITEM TWO.
WHAT I'M SEEING IS THERE, CAN I GET A, IS THERE A COPY OF THE AGENDA? CUZ MY COPY FRONT YOUR AGENDA IS RIGHT HERE.
MY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO WITH ON ACTUALLY IN TWO A, CHOOSING DATE FOR C P O B.
DEFENSIVE TACTICS AND PHYSICAL TRAINING.
ARE YOU SCRIPTED? I GOT PRINTED OUT THE LAW.
THIS, YEAH, BUT I, WE GOT THIS.
SO THE C P O B IS COMMITTED TO CONTINUING CONTINUED TRAINING IN THE FIELDS OF POLICE OVERSIGHT AT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
THE NEXT TRAINING THE BOARD HAS REQUESTED IS ON D P D, DEFENSIVE TACTICS AND PHYSICAL TRAINING.
O CCP, O C P O DIRECTOR MCUS WORKED WITH THE D P D TRAINING AND ACADEMY STAFF TO COME UP WITH THREE DATES.
THE TRAINING CAN BE OFFERED TO THE BOARD ON THE PROPOSED DATES.
SO SATURDAY, APRIL 29TH, 2023, SATURDAY, MAY 13TH, 2003, 23, AND SATURDAY MAY 27TH, 2023.
UM, ARE BOARD MEMBERS, UM, PREPARED TO COMMIT TO ONE OF THESE DATES OF WHICH YOU PREFER FOR DIRECTOR MCLAREN TO SEND A POLL, AN EMAIL, AND YOU SELECT THE DATE KNOW WHICH SHE'S DONE PREVIOUS TIMES? DOODLE POLL.
IS I'M I BUT SATURDAY MAY 27TH.
IT'S OVER THE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND, ISN'T IT? LET'S SEE.
IT IS CHAIRMAN AND SATURDAY MAY 13TH.
ALL THREE WEEKENDS, ALL THREE.
WELL, I'M OUTTA TOWN ON THE LAST TWO, SATURDAY, APRIL 29TH.
I CAN DO, I CAN'T DO THE OTHER TWO.
I, 29TH WOULD, WOULD WORK FOR ME.
UM, I, I SAY STILL SEND A DOODLE POLE.
DO YOU WANT TO TEST THE 29TH? IF, IF NOT, I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND JUST ASK FOR DIFFERENT DATES.
CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY
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SAYING THEY CAN'T DO THE SEARCH.YEAH, THOSE ARE HOLIDAY WEEKENDS.
SO IF WE CAN'T DO IT ON THE 29TH, MAYBE LOOK AT SOMETIME JUNE.
IS, IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN'T DO IT ON THE 29TH? WE CANNOT DO IT ON THE, I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN AS WELL, ALL THREE WEEKENDS.
BUT I'M, I'M SORRY, MS. SANFORD, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU SAY IT AGAIN.
OH YEAH, I WAS SAYING I CANNOT DO IT ON THE 29TH.
SO WE WILL, UH, HOLD OFF ON THIS UNTIL, EXCUSE ME.
CAN WE GET SOME FURTHER OUT DATES? NOT SO CLOSE.
MAYBE JUNE, JULY THAT I JUST SAID.
I'M GOING BACK TO THEM FOR JUNE AND JULY DATE.
THERE'S NO MORE WEEKENDS THAN MAY FOR TUESDAY.
CAN WE, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, CAN YOU GET THE DATES AND JUST SEND IT TO US AND LET US HOLD AHEAD OF TIME? IS THAT OKAY? HOWEVER WE ALL WANT TO DO IT.
I THINK A POLL WILL BE FINE, AND THEN WE CAN JUST DISCUSS THE RESULTS IN THE NEXT MEETING.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NOPE.
UH, BRIEFING ITEMS THREE A UPDATE, C P O B ANNUAL REPORT.
UH, SO AGAIN, THE C P O B IS IN THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING THE MULTI-YEAR ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, AND AS OF NOW, THERE WERE SOME ITEMS THAT I HAD TO DELIVER, SUCH AS, UM, LETTER FROM THE CHAIR AND SOME OF OUR OBJECTIVES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE FOR THE YEAR.
AND SO I'VE SENT THAT TO DIRECTOR MCCLEARY ALONG WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UH, ITEMS THAT I, UH, DRAFTED.
SO RIGHT NOW, UH, WE'RE JUST KIND OF WAITING TO GET FOR THE COMMITTEE TO GET A DRAFT OF THE REPORT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY DATES OF WHEN A POTENTIAL DRAFT COULD BE? NO.
I MEAN, WE'RE VERY SHORT STAFFED RIGHT NOW, SO I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT.
SO, AND IT CAN'T, I THINK THAT I ASKED FOR A MEETING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, AND DID NOT HEAR BACK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO, DO YOU WANT ME TO RUN DRAFTS BY THE ENTIRE BOARD OR BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE? NO, YOU CAN JUST, UH, CREATE A DRAFT AND THAT DRAFT CAN BE REVIEWED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE EVERYTHING, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE CONTENT, I HAD SOME STUFF I HAD TO PROVIDE.
I THINK YOU HAVE EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO, TO, TO DO A DRAFT REPORT.
I'LL CHECK MY CALENDAR AND I'LL UPDATE THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
BUT ARE, ARE YOU SAYING YOU, IN ORDER TO DO THE DRAFT, YOU NEED THE SUBCOMMITTEE? I HAVE TO GO BACK.
I JUST REMEMBER ASKING FOR A MEETING PRIOR TO LAST MONTH'S AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO I'D HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT MY REQUEST WAS, BUT I DID WANNA HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMITTEE CUZ THERE'S ALSO SOME THINGS THAT YOU ALL DIDN'T FINALIZE.
LIKE I KNOW LAST MONTH YOU ASKED FOR THE FY 23 GOALS, PEOPLE THREW SOME THINGS OUT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU ALL DECIDED AS A BOARD THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON IN 2023 AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OUTSTANDING ISSUES, UM, BUT I CAN START WORKING ON THE BULK OF IT AND YOU CAN WORK ON THOSE FINAL PIECES.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU TRY SENDING THE LINK AGAIN TO BOARD MEMBER MAPLES? HE'S HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING ON.
IF YOU CAN TRY SENDING HIM THE LINK AGAIN, PLEASE.
NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS, UM, BRIEFING ITEM B REPORT MARKED 2023.
OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING HERMAN, UH, GUTIERREZ, UH, O C P O, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING.
UM, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH, 2023, THERE WAS ONE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
THIS IS THE SECOND SHOOTING, UM, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OF 2 20 23.
I'LL READ THE SUMMARY AND THEN WE'LL
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GO STRAIGHT INTO THE VIDEO.UM, ON MARCH 19TH, 2023, ABOUT 6:50 PM SENIOR CORPORAL MATTHEWS WAS NOTIFIED BY A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT AT 1910 BENNETT STREET.
THAT THE, THAT THE MANNA LEAGUE WAS INVOLVED IN A STOLEN VEHICLE CASE EARLIER IN THE MONTH WHERE THE SUSPECT RAMMED A MARKED SQUAD CAR WAS AT THE LOCATION.
THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION DETERMINED SENIOR CORPORAL MARTIN ARRIVED AT THE APARTMENTS AND A BACKUP.
SO I'M GOING TO START THE VIDEO FROM THERE.
I'M JUST GONNA PLAY IT OFF LIKE WE'RE ON A CALL.
WERE YOU GUYS BREAKING INTO THAT MAN? PUT YOUR HANDS UP.
WHAT THE HELL MA'AM? F**K THE GROUND.
HANDCUFF GUN IS UNDER HIM STILL.
KIMBERLY, WE NEED AN AMBULANCE.
I'M M**********R, YOU'RE GONNA GET SHOT AGAIN.
WE JUST NEED TO GET THESE HANDCUFFS ON.
NO, YOU HAD A CHANCE TRYING TO F*****G KILL US.
THERE'S NOTHING BUT FRANK WE CAN RIGHT NOW.
ALL WE CAN DO IS PUT HOW FORGIVE ALL, PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
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UP? SO, WE'RE GOOD AT LEAVING.THIS IS HIS, HIS, THIS IS WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO, TO GET US WITH.
ONCE THEY, ONCE THEY LOAD 'EM UP, YOU BETTER YOU STAY UP ONCE THEY LOAD 'EM UP, KIM, WHEN YOU GUYS RIDE WITH THEM.
MISS MR. UM, GUTIERREZ WILL BE CHARGED WITH FOR, EXCUSE ME, THE SUBJECT MR. GUTIERREZ WILL BE CHARGED WITH A AGGRAVATED SOVEREIGN PUBLIC SERVANT.
THE SUSPECT IS ALSO CURRENTLY WARRANT ON A FEDERAL PROBATION VIOLATION FOR FIREARMS RELATED OFFENSE.
THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING AND IT'S BEING CONDUCTED, INVESTIGATED BY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT.
IN ADDITION TO CHARGES POSSIBLE, THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS NOTIFIED AND RESPONDED TO THE SCENE AND WILL CONDUCT THEIR OWN INVESTIGATION.
OFFICER COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WAS NOTIFIED.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UM, THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, CUZ STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION AFTER YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIRMAN? I, I HAVE A COUPLE.
UM, HAS ANYONE, UH, DIRECTOR MCCLEARY, HAVE YOU SEEN THE UNEDITED, UNEDITED VIDEO OF THIS? YES.
UM, I, I HAVE A, A A FEW QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON SOME LEVEL RENDERED MOOT BY THE FACT THAT THE, THE SUSPECT DID DRAW A WEAPON ON THE POLICE, UM, WHICH CLEARS UP A LOT OF THINGS.
HOWEVER, UM, I'M, I'M CURIOUS WHY THE OFFICER WALKED OUT THE DOOR AND DREW HIS WEAPON IMMEDIATELY.
UM, AND I'M ALSO CURIOUS, UM, D P D SAYS THAT THE SUSPECT FIRED AROUND AND THEN THE OFFICER FIRED AROUND AND SHOT HIM.
UH, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE ROUND THAT YOU CAN HEAR IN THE VIDEO.
SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT EVIDENCE THEY HAVE, UM, THAT THE SUSPECT ACTUALLY FIRED.
BECAUSE IT, IT JUST STRUCK ME AS KIND OF STRANGE THAT THEY WOULD SAY THAT WHEN IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THAT WAS THE CASE FROM THE VIDEO.
I'M NOT SAYING IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT, BUT THAT WAS JUST THE WAY IT APPEARED.
AND THEN I'M ALSO CURIOUS, UM, UH, DIRECTOR MCCLEARY, IF YOU KNOW WHAT THEY EDITED OUT, THERE'S A COUPLE POINTS IN THE VIDEO WHERE THEY CUT THE SOUND AND I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND SEE.
SO IF WE COULD, UM, IF YOU WANNA POINT THAT OUT TO ME EITHER NOW OR OFFLINE AFTER THE MEETING.
UM, I DO HAVE THE EXACT SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE OFFICER PULLING THE WEAPON ALMOST IMMEDIATELY OUT THE DOOR.
I THINK THAT'S A TACTICAL ERROR.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT LOOK AT IT, THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE, UH, TACTICAL ISSUES THAT I'LL BE RAISING WITH THEM IN TERMS OF, UM, WHEN HE DREW THE WEAPON.
CUZ I THINK IT ACTUALLY ESCALATED INSTEAD OF DEESCALATED THE SITUATION.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE OTHER THINGS, UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT EVEN, UM, AN I D IS ON IAD D IS ON THE LINE.
UM, THEY DON'T HAVE THE CASE YET CUZ IT'S WITH S I U WHICH IS THE CRIMINAL SIDE OF THIS.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ANY ANSWERS AND IT'S STILL EARLY ON CUZ MR. WILLIAMS, WHAT WAS THE DATE? THE DATE? THIS, THIS JUST HAPPENED ON MARCH 19TH, SO THEY'RE STILL PRETTY, I'M PRETTY SURE GATHERING EVERYTHING, BUT I, I D DO YOU WANNA UNMUTE? AND IS THERE ANYTHING YOU CAN TELL US AT THIS TIME? GOOD AFTERNOON.
UH, NO MA'AM, BECAUSE I, A D DOES NOT HAVE THE CASE AND BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, WE WILL NOT BE SPEAKING ON IT.
UH, SO MR. FREEMAN, ONE THING THOUGH, ONCE THE INVESTIGATION IS CLOSED, UH, DIRECTOR MC MCCLARY KING GIVE US A BRIEFING ON THE INVESTIGATION.
ONE, ONCE IT, ONCE IT'S ONCE IT'S DONE WITH, AND THEN, AND, AND IF SHE DOES HER INVESTIGATION, THEN SHE CAN GIVE US A BRIEFING ON EVERYTHING AND THAT'LL, UH, HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS AS WELL.
I DO HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
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D P D RENDERED MEDICAL AID WHILE, UM, MONITORING GUTIERREZ'S CONDITION.SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, I DIDN'T SEE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS, UH, FROM A DIFFERENT ANGLE OR MORE, OR MORE LENGTH WAS NEEDED FROM THE VIDEO.
AND THEN IT SAID NO OFFICER OR ANYONE AT THE SCENE WAS INJURED.
SO I GUESS IF THERE AID PROVIDING MEDICAL AID, BUT NO ONE WAS IN INJURED.
THERE'S CONFLICTING IN MY MIND.
OH, THEY, THEY WERE PROVIDING MEDICAL AID TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT, THAT THEY SIGNED MR. GUTIERREZ, THAT'S THE ONE THAT THEY REPLY TO MEDICAL ATTENTION TO, BUT IT SAYS NO OFFICERS OR ANYONE AT THE SCENE.
OH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT COUNTING HIM AS THE ENEMY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON.
UH, MR. MARSHALL, GO AHEAD FOR ROLL SAINT.
SO WE CAN HAVE YOU COUNTED OFFICIALLY.
UH, ALAN MARSHALL, DISTRICT 10.
UH, MR. MARTIN, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE SHOOTING? UH, NO, I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING PR UH, YOU KNOW.
PUT TOGETHER AHEAD OF TIME SO I, NOT, BASED ON WHAT I SAW, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
WERE BOARD MEMBERS OF, UH, NO OTHER COMMENTS.
WE WILL MOVE TO THE, TO, UH, THREE C, WHICH IS THE, UH, REPORT ON D P D ARREST DATA.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ARREST DATA? ALL RIGHT, NO QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, COMMENTS WE'LL MOVE ON TO, TO 3D UPDATE ON C P O B CHAIR AND O CPO DIRECTOR MONTHLY MEETING WITH D P D, CHIEF POLICE EDDIE GARCIA.
SO WE WERE UNABLE TO HAVE OUR MEETING WITH HIM, UM, THIS WEEK BECAUSE THE CHIEF IS OUT OF TOWN AND A SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT.
SO WE WILL PICK BACK UP WITH OUR MAIN MEETING DIRECTED EVERYTHING TO ADD, I JUST GAVE THE BOARD SOME UPDATES FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE OFFICE HAVING AN ABILITY TO, UM, LOOK AT CASES INVESTIGATIONS BY INTERNAL AFFAIRS BEFORE THEY'RE CLOSED.
SO, UH, WE JUST HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY.
MAJOR ALANISE SENT ME OVER TWO CASES LAST WEEK, AND WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT BEFORE THE, IT'S FINALIZED AND GONE TO CHIEF GARCIA FOR INPUT.
SO THAT PROCESS JUST STARTED WORKING.
UM, AND SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.
BUT, UM, WE DID GET TWO CASES AND WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE INPUT.
AND THEN ALSO NEXT MONTH, UH, CHIEF GARCIA IS PLANNING TO COME TO THE, UH, BOARD MEETING.
HE'S PLANNING TO TALK WITH YOU ALL ABOUT, UM, THE NEW USE OF FORCE DASHBOARD AND ALSO TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON, UM, UM, OFFICER DISCIPLINE.
SO HE WILL BE JOINING THE BOARD NEXT MONTH.
WILL HE BE ABOUT, WILL HE BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS ON OTHER TOPICS? ORS? WE KNOW I DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT, SO I CAN SEND AN EMAIL OR THE CHAIR CAN SEND HIM AN EMAIL ACTUALLY AND ASK HIM.
UH, WE, WE'D HAVE, WE'D HAVE TO HAVE THE TOPICS IN ADVANCE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE CAN ONLY DISCUSS WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA.
SO IF WE, IF, IF YOU CAN SEE ME SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA.
THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS WAS THE INCREASED MURDER RATE THAT WE SEEM TO BE SEEING AND WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM AND, UM, WHAT HE SEES IN THAT REGARD.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM E THREE E UPDATE STATUS OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS REQUESTED BY C P O B.
UM, SO FAR WE HAVE DIAMOND ROSS INVESTIGATION.
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DIRECTOR MCCLEARY.THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT YOU ALL HAVE OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW.
IT'S STILL IN LITIGATION, I ALWAYS CHECK EVERY MONTH.
UM, AND SO THAT ONE'S STILL IN LITIGATION AND THE OFFICE IS WORKING ON POTENTIALLY 11 DIFFERENT INVESTIGATIONS RIGHT NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MCLAREN? ALL RIGHT.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THREE FOUR MONTHLY, NO, THREE F UPDATE ON O C P O POLICY REVIEW, PROTEST AND USE OF FORCE DIRECTOR MCCLARY.
SO THE STUDENTS DID NOT WORK OUT.
SO I AM WORKING WITH A CONSULTANT.
UM, I THINK I HAD GIVEN YOU ALL A DEADLINE IN FEBRUARY OF, UM, FOR YOUR MAY MEETING.
SO WE'RE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DEADLINE.
SO YOU WILL HAVE THIS REPORT DONE AND HAVE IT TO YOU FOR YOUR MAY MEETING.
DIRECT ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION.
IT'S MY OFFICE'S DECISION IF I'M HIRING A CONSULTANT TO HELP ME, UH, WITH IT.
SO THE CONSULTANT IS A POLICE OFFICER THAT SPECIALIZES IN USE OF FORCE AND PROTEST FROM A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION.
SO HE IS HELPING ME GO THROUGH THE POLICIES OF OUR CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LOOK AT THEM.
UM, WE ARE POTENTIALLY GONNA HAVE SOME STUDENT HELP.
I JUST INTERVIEWED SOME STUDENTS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO COME IN AND HELP ME DO THE LEGAL RESEARCH.
UM, BUT IF NOT, I WILL DO THAT LEGAL RESEARCH.
IT'S A, IT'S A OFFICER THAT WORKS IN A DIFFERENT JURISDICTION THAT HAS A SPECIALTY AND USE OF FORCE AND PROTEST POLICY.
UM, A FOLLOW ON TO THAT ONE IS, UH, IS THAT JURISDICTION HERE IN TEXAS OR OUTSIDE THE STATE? IT'S OUTSIDE THE STATE.
WHICH, UH, WHICH JURISDICTION IS IT? NEW ORLEANS.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR MC.
WERE YOU ABLE BY CHANCE TO MAKE THE CONNECTION WITH THE SMU LAW SCHOOL CAREER SERVICES PERSON? I SAW HER AND SHE SAID THEY'RE LIKELIER STUDENTS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HELPING IF SHE JUST GETS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT YOU NEED.
I CAN DEFINITELY MAKE THAT REACH OUT.
I DID SEE THAT YOU HAD CONNECTED US BY EMAIL.
AND SHE DID REPLY TO THAT, UH, STRING.
SO IF YOU JUST WANNA REPLY TO THAT.
SHE, I SAW HER A FEW WEEKS AGO AND SHE SAID, JUST LET HER KNOW WHAT YOU NEED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS TO COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO THREE FOUR MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT DIRECTOR MCCLEARY.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, WHEN WE, UM, THIS MONTH WE HAD, THE OFFICE HAD TAKEN IN 55 COMPLAINTS.
AND SO, UM, 28 WERE BY EMAIL AND 27 WENT BY OUR ONLINE FORM.
AND SO WE SEE THAT OUR NUMBERS ARE, ARE STEADILY INCREASING SOME MONTHS OR MORE THAN THE OTHERS.
BUT WE'RE DOING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS IT'S BEEN INCREASING ALL YEAR.
CAUSE WE STARTED OUT IN OCTOBER, WE'RE JUST 24 AND NOW WE'RE AT 55.
BUT THEN IN MONTHS, LIKE JANUARY WE HAD 88.
SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PHONE CALLS.
FOR SOME REASON, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT WHEN YOU GOOGLE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, A LOT OF TIMES OUR OFFICE COMES UP FIRST.
SO WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF, NOT ONLY WANT PEOPLE WANTING TO FILE COMPLAINTS, BUT JUST INCREASED PHONE CALLS, THE PEOPLE WANTING TO FILE POLICE REPORTS AND OTHER THINGS.
SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THE PHONE TALKING WITH PEOPLE THAT THINK WE'RE D P D.
AND WHEN I ASK PEOPLE OUTTA CURIOSITY, HOW DID YOU GET OUR NUMBER? THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE GOOGLED IT.
AND SO I'VE GOOGLED IT AS WELL.
AND SOMETIMES THE OFFICE DEFINITELY COMES UP ABOVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BUT, UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
WHEN WE GET THE STUDENT SUPPORT.
THIS SUMMARY, YOU'LL START GETTING THE SUMMARIES AGAIN SO THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF GET A FLAVOR OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT COMPLAINTS ARE.
UM, ALSO WE DID PUT OUT THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE NEW COMPLAINT SPECIALIST, SO I'M HOPING TO GET THOSE, GET SOME RESUMES IN SOON SO THAT WE WILL HAVE SOMEONE WHOSE JOB IT WILL BE THE F UM, WORK ON COMPLAINTS FULL-TIME.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO SECTION FIVE BOARD TRAINING SCHEDULE FOR THE MONTH OF,
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UM, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH.WE HAD, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON MARCH 14TH, EXCUSE ME, FOR APRIL AND MAY, APRIL 25TH.
NA COLE WEBINAR SEALED, THE HELLA POLICE BECOME UNTOUCHABLE.
AND WE DID DISCUSS PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE D P D TRAINING ACADEMY.
SO DIRECTOR MCCLAIR IS WORKING TO RESCHEDULE THAT FOR SOME TIME.
AND, UH, SO SHE'S LOOKING AT SOME JUNE DATES, POSSIBLY JUNE AND JULY, DIRECTOR MC QUERY.
UH, CAN YOU AT, AT SOME POINT GIVE US A LIST OF THE VARIOUS TRAINING, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH D P D SO THAT WE CAN PRIORITIZE IT? CERTAINLY DEFENSE, THE TACTICS AND EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE SO FAR, I FOUND IT BE VERY HELPFUL AND RELEVANT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THE FULL LIST OF TRAINING THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE AND WILLING TO GIVE TO US.
AND I THINK IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD THAT, IF WE COULD PRIORITIZE, WE'D LIKE TO DO CERTAIN ONES.
WE VIEW THEM AS AS HIGHER PRIORITY THAN OTHERS.
I'LL REACH OUT TO THE ACADEMY AND ASK THEM.
I KNOW THE, THE ONES YOU HAVE BEEN DOING HAVE BEEN AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR.
UM, SO I'VE NEVER ASKED THEM FOR A FULL LIST OF TRAININGS THAT THEY WOULD MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD.
BUT I CAN DO THAT AND BRING THAT LIST TO YOU ALL.
YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT FIRST, SO WE, THE FIRST, UH, GROUP OF TRAININGS, IT WAS THREE AND WE, AND WE PRIORITIZED THEM, BUT NOW IT'S TIME, IT IS TIME FOR A NEW LIST.
NO, EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE, I THINK HAS BEEN IMPORTANT AND RELEVANT.
I JUST THINK AS WE MOVE ALONG, MAYBE THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN MOVE TO THE TOP OF THE LIST AS OPPOSED TO THE BOTTOM.
YEAH, I THINK IT, I THINK IT IS TIME FOR A NEW LIST.
WE, WE, THIS, THIS IS THE LAST ITEM ON, ON LAST YEAR'S LIST.
SO, SO YEAH, SO, SO YOUR QUESTION IS RIGHT ON, ON TIME.
NEXT IS THE, UH, SIX UPDATE BOARD MEMBER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO FOR DISTRICTS TWO AND THREE FOR MARCH, MARCH, 2000, ON MARCH 23RD, 2023, O C P O CO-HOSTED WITH C P O B AND, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBER CASEY THOMAS AT EVENT TITLED CONVERSATIONS TO MOVE DALLAS FORWARD, UH, C P O B MEMBER JONATHAN MAPLES REPRESENT THE BOARD ON THE PANEL THAT INCLUDED OVERSIGHT PRACTITIONERS AND MEMBERS OF D P D.
AND I ALSO ATTENDED THE EVENT, UH, AND SPOKE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AFTERWARDS.
UM, WERE THERE ANY OTHER EVENTS THAT BOARD MEMBERS PARTICIPATED IN THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT MAYBE WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT? SO ALSO, JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW IN THE MINUTES IT REFLECTS THIS, BUT NOT ON THIS MEMO, SO IT'LL BE UPDATED.
UM, VICE CHAIR REKS HAD, UM, REPORTED OUT ABOUT AN EVENT THAT HE HAD GONE TO THE, TOGETHER WE DONE.
THEN ALSO CHAIR YOU HAD REPORTED OUT ABOUT YOUR, UM, BARBERSHOP PANEL.
SO, SO I WILL UPDATE THIS MEMO JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW.
UM, IT'S REFLECTED IN MINUTES, BUT I DIDN'T REFLECT IT, IT ON THIS MEMO.
OH, YEAH, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT LAST MINUTE.
UH, ONE THING I DID DO ON APRIL 3RD, I WAS INVITED TO SPEAK AT THE, UH, BALTIMORE POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY BOARD MEETING.
THE, THE STATE OF MARYLAND PASSED THE STATE STATUTE REQUIRING ALL OF THEIR CITIES TO CREATE SOME TYPE OF OVERSIGHT APPARATUS, CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT APPARATUS FOR THEIR POLICING.
AND SO, UH, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS REACHED OUT, UH, TO ME TO JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT SOME LESSONS LEARNED, UH, BACK IN MARCH.
AND WE HAD A VERY GOOD, UH, MEETING, ALSO INVITED SOME PEOPLE FROM FORT WORTH.
CAUSE FORT WORTH HAS A POLICE MONITOR.
SO WE, WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION.
WELL, I WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN APRIL 3RD MEETING.
SO I SAT THROUGH THE, THEIR, I THINK THIS WAS ONE OF THEIR FIRST BOARD MEETINGS AND VERY ORDERLY.
IT'S JUST AS ORDERLY AS, AS OURS ARE.
THEY HAVE, EXCUSE ME, THEY HAVE STAFF THAT SUPPORTS THEM, JUST LIKE, UM, WE DO, UH, THEY HAVE A MUCH BIGGER BUDGET.
UH, SOME OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE SIMILAR.
UH, AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE ABOUT THEIR DECISION MAKING AND RECOMMENDATIONS BEING FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY, THEY HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS, MEANING THAT,
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UH, A RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY SEND TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GOES TO THIS POLICE PANEL AND THE PANEL REVIEWS IT AND DNA DETERMINE WHETHER THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ACCEPTED OR NOT.SO, KIND OF SIMILAR WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, THE CHIEF HAS THE FINAL SAY ON IT.
SO IT'S THAT THAT CHALLENGE OF MAKING SURE THAT RECOMMENDATIONS ACTUALLY GET ARE, ARE USED AS OPPOSED TO JUST FILED AWAY SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF THE CHALLENGE IN OVERSIGHT, UH, INSTITUTIONS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
BUT IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING.
THEY FOLLOWED ROBERT RULES, OFOR, AND ONE THING, ONE BIT OF ADVICE I GAVE THEM IS THAT THEY ARE NOT CITY EMPLOYEES.
AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, DON'T COMMIT TO DOING THINGS THAT CITY EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE DOING.
SO THAT ONE, FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT, MEANING THAT WE CAN'T LOG INTO D P D SYSTEMS AND PULL UP COMPLAINT DATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO BE ONE TELLING PEOPLE WE CAN DO IT, AND WE DEFINITELY DON'T NEED TO BE DOING IT.
SO, BUT THAT WAS, THAT WAS JUST SOME OF THE STUFF, BUT IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING.
I AM GONNA INVITE THE CHAIR TO VISIT US, UH, NEXT MONTH.
NOW, I DIDN'T GO TO BALTIMORE.
SO I WILL INVITE THE CHAIR TO, UM, VISIT US, UM, IN THE MAY MEETING.
AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN START A PROCESS OF KIND OF SHARING WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FAR AS PROCESSES AND POLICIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I THINK THAT THE MORE, UH, ENTITIES THAT WE, THAT WE SPEAK WITH OUTSIDE OF THE DOING SOME OF THE SAME WORK THAT WE'RE DOING, I THINK THE MORE WE CAN LEARN ABOUT, UM, BEST PRACTICES AS WELL AS LESSONS LEARNED.
OH, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
I WANTED TO JUST REPORT, UH, OUT ON A PROGRAM.
WE WERE ORIGINALLY PLANNING FOR APRIL THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PULL TOGETHER AND BE GETTING VARIOUS, UM, OTHER GROUPS INVOLVED.
AND THEN WE LOOKED AT A POTENTIAL TIME IN MAY TO DOING A COM, A COMMUNITY EVENT.
AND WITH THAT EVENT THAT WAS BEING PLANNED, IT JUST WAS NOT THE RIGHT FIT TO GET A BROADER AUDIENCE.
SO NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE DOING SOMETHING ON JUNE 17TH, UH, JUNETEENTH WEEKEND, UM, AND SEEING MAYBE WE COULD BE AT CLYDE WARREN PARK, GETTING WITH SOMEONE THERE TO SEE WHAT ACTIVITIES ARE GOING.
AGAIN, JUST TO BE IN A SPACE WHERE WE HAVE A BROAD ARRAY OF, UM, OUR CITIZENS THAT WOULD BE, UM, AVAILABLE TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT WE DO AS A BOARD.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR OTHER, UM, DISTRICTS TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.
I, I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.
UM, LET ME KNOW WHAT I CAN DO TO HELP YOU AND, AND SUPPORTING THIS EVENT.
YEAH, WE'LL, WE'RE STILL EARLY STAGES OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING, BUT WE'LL KEEP YOU OUT POSTED.
SO DOES ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THAT WANNA JOIN THAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE JOINT STUFF BEFORE.
SO IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN JOINING BOARD MEMBERS SANFORD, LET ME KNOW.
LIKE SHE SAID, WE'RE STILL IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES, SO YOU HAVEN'T MISSED A LOT OF THE PLANNING.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GET IN ON THAT JUNETEENTH WEEKEND, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT.
UH, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE APRIL 11TH, 2023 PER, EXCUSE ME.
I'M SORRY, LOOKING AT THE WRONG SCRIPT.
UM, YOU GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON, DIRECTOR, SO I TYPE IT UP TODAY.
UPCOMING MEETING IS MAY 9TH, 2023.
PER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE AGENDA WILL POST 72 HOURS PRIOR.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO ENSURE A ROBUST AND TRANSPARENT AGENDA FOR ALL, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANNA REMIND OUR GUESTS OF SPEAKER GUIDELINES OUTLINED EARLY IN THE MEETING.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY IN PERSON OR ONLINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT? CHAIRMAN, I HAVE NO ONE ONLINE.
WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? DAVID KIDNER, DISTRICT 13.
MOTION TO ADJOURN AL MARSHALL DISTRICT TEN SECOND.
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IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED IN SEC TO ADJOURN TODAY'S MEETING.