Apr 12, 2023 City Council Agenda Meetings

BEFORE WE MOVE TO YOUR FIRST PULLED CONSENT, AGENDA ITEM I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD TO INDIVIDUAL AGENDA ITEM 73.

I READ THAT ITEM INTO THE RECORD.

AGENDA ITEM 73, AUTHORIZING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT WITH RANDLES FOOD AND DRUG, LPN OR ITS AFFILIATES, GRANTEE, BPP OWNER DOING BUSINESS AS TOM THUMB, TO INCLUDE ONE, A CHAPTER 380 ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $5,200,000 TO A CHAPTER 380 SALES TAX GRANT IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $600,000 OVER 10 YEARS AND THREE, A BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ABATEMENT FOR A PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS IN THE AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE CITIES TAXES ASSESSED ON 75 PERCENT OF THE ADDED TAXABLE VALUE OF GRANTEE, BPP OWNERS, BUSINESS, PERSONAL PROPERTY INVESTMENT DURING THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF OPERATION IN CONSIDERATION OF A NEW FULL-SERVICE GROCERY STORE WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS, TEXAS.

TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONE, NUMBER 20.

TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED $5,800,000.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY, DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> I'M SORRY. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN, SECOND.

COUNCIL MEMBER TENNELL ATKINS.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM MAYOR. IT'S A GREAT DAY TO BE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS WE DO FOR MANY YEAR.

WE TALKED ABOUT A FOOD DESERT.

THERE'S NOT A NO LONGER FOOD DESERT IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

I THINK THAT FOR MANY YEARS YOU LOOK AT RED MALL, USED TO CALL IT [INAUDIBLE] MALL SOUTHCENTRE BUT ALSO NOW IS REDBIRD.

REDBIRD MALL FOR MANY YEARS, I WANT TO THANK OR SHOUT OUT TO MS. PIMMINGTON I REMEMBER BACK IN 2009, THE LIGHTS WAS GOING TO GO OFF AND SHE CALLED ME.

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I WAS ON MY WAY AND SHE SAID, HEY [INAUDIBLE] TO SWITCH HERE AND I'LL MAKE SURE THOSE LIGHTS ARE NOT GOING TO TURN OFF AND I'M GOING TO TAKE MY RESUME FOR THAT TO KEEP THOSE LIGHTS ON EVERY MALL.

AS YOU KNOW, WHEN LIGHTS GO OFF IS HARD TO GET LIGHTS, TURN IT BACK ON.

BUT THIS GROCERY STORE, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS TRYING TO BRING THIS TO REALITY AND WE TRY TO RE-IMAGINE IT REDBIRD MALL TRYING TO FIND OUT HOW DO YOU DO THIS MALL.

YOU GOT TO GO BACK WITH A STUDY.

WE DID THE URBAN LAND INSTITUTION.

THEY CAME BY AND WE SPENT OVER $150,000 TO MEASURE THE STANDARD WAS THERE.

THEY SAID TWO THINGS.

IF YOU GO INTO THE BARBECUE YOU PUT THE STATE ON A GRILL OR YOU LEFT THE STAKE IN THE GRILL TOO LONG YOU BURN UP.

PLEASE DO NOT TURN THEM ALL DOWN.

IT IS THE ASSET WE LOOK AT I-20, THE SERVICE RULE.

WE DIDN'T HAVE SERVICE RULE.

GO INTO THE MALL YOU CAN NOT GET TO THEM ALL YOU HAD TO BYPASS A MALL.

WE GREW [INAUDIBLE] GREW, [INAUDIBLE] GREW TOWN EAST GREW BECAUSE THEY HAVE SERVICE WAY YOU CAN GET THERE AND IT WAS A SUDDEN GATEWAY.

NOW YOU'D GET TO THEM ALL BUT THE RESIDENT THERE, THEY'VE BEEN FIGHTING, THEY'VE BEEN PLEADING, THEY'VE BEEN WANTING A GROCERY STORE.

WE TALKED ABOUT A FOOD DESERT OR FOOD THOSE DURING THE PANDEMIC WE FIND OUT THEIR TRUE OF FOOD DOES NOT, I'LL SAY IT AND I DIDN'T SOUTHERN PART OF DOUBT.

IT'S IN A WESTSIDE EAST AND NORTH DROUGHT FOOD DOES THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS AND BY DOING THAT, I WANT TO THANK THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

ALSO, TC. THANK YOU.

I ALSO WANT TO STATE THE COLLEAGUES.

Y'ALL HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH REDBIRD.

NOW DIDN'T CHANGE IS COMPLETELY, IT'S NOT JUST A MALL, IT'S A QUARTER OR A LIGHT.

YOU GOT UT SOUTHWESTERN THERE.

YOU GOT TO PARKLAND HOSPITAL THERE.

NOW YOU'VE GOT CHILDREN HOSPITAL IS COMING.

YOU GET THE LAWN, YOU GOT THE [INAUDIBLE] YOU GET KIDS YOU GATHER THE THINGS THAT EVERYDAY QUARTER OF LIFE AND YOU ALSO GET APARTMENTS THERE.

SO NOW YOU GOT TO ADD DEAL SURROUNDED AND YOU GO WORK, EAT, SLEEP, AND PLAY WITHOUT TRANSPORTATION AND JOB CREATIVITY AND THAT'S THE KEY JOB CREATIVITY, BUT THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IF THE COMMUNITY NEVER GOT INVOLVED.

I ALSO WANT TO THANK PETER BRODSKY, THANK YOU PETER FOR TAKING THIS CHALLENGE AND I ALSO THINK THIS COUNSEL AND THE PAST COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M GOING TO SAY MIKE RONALD, BUT THIS MODEL WOULD NEVER BEEN HERE.

IF THE COUNCIL DIDN'T ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVES AND DID INVESTMENT IN THIS MODEL.

WE DON'T PROBABLY INVEST MORE THAN $40 MILLION IN THIS MODEL TO GENERATE A OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A COMMUNITY.

BUT HOW YOU BUILD A COMMUNITY, YOU BUILD COMMUNITY WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE KNOW THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS A KEY TO THIS MODEL.

AT 20, THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY, YOU CAN GET THERE.

BUT ONE THING FOR SURE THAT YOU THINK ABOUT TOM THUMB, YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT THEIR NAMES, 75 YEARS THEY'D BEEN IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THEY DO HAVE A GREAT NAME, A GREAT BRAND.

EVERYONE KNOWS TOM THUMB.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL STORED THAT, HEY, 50,000 SQUARE FOOT STORE, YOU GOT A PHARMACY THERE, YOU GOT FRESH FRUIT THERE, YOU GOT GROCERIES THAT YOU NEED, BUT ALSO YOU GOT A BAKERY, YOU GOT THE DEALER, YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO SHOP, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PHARMACIST THERE.

BUT ALSO IS A WALKABLE AREA.

IT'S WALKABLE. YOU CAN WALK UP TO THE STORE, YOU'LL WALK BACK HOME.

BUT THEN TO ONE THING THAT I KEEP SAYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE COMMUNITY THE CITY OF DALLAS IN THIS COUNCIL REALLY LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY.

THEY PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS TODAY, THEY REALLY PUT THE MONEY THERE.

BUT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

AGAIN WOULD LIKE YOU COLLEAGUES WITHOUT THE COUNCILMEMBERS HERE TO VOTE ON THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TELL ABOUT A DESERT AND SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS, A FOOD DESERT, QUALITY OF LIFE.

WE ARE DOING THAT.

COLLEAGUES WITH YOU, I HOPE YOU SUPPORT THIS EFFORT BUT ALSO SUPPORT THE CITY OF DALLAS, SUPPORT THE SOUTHERN DALLAS, SUPPORT PLEASANT GROVE, SUPPORT WEST DALLAS, SUPPORT NORTH DALLAS IS NOT JUST ONE SUPPORT OF THE CITY, IS NOT JUST SOUTHERN DALLAS IT'S A UNIVERSE.

WE ALL WORK TOGETHER.

EAST, SOUTH, NORTH, AND WEST, WE ARE ONE CITY.

AGAIN, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU, CHAIR ATKINS.

COUNCILMEMBER, BESEL, DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I'LL FIRST START OFF BY THANKING OUR COLLEAGUE, CHAIRMAN ATKINS, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP WITH THE ICO DEV COMMITTEE, BUT ALSO IN THE COMMUNITY.

YOU AND CHAIRMAN THOMAS WORK TOGETHER FOR THE REDBIRD COMMUNITY,

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YOU'RE SEEING FRUITS OF YOUR LABOR FOR SURE AND I'M EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS.

ALSO, WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS ACTUALLY PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

THIS IS INVESTING IN HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.

THIS IS ADDRESSING FOOD INSECURITY.

FOOD DESERTS ARE DEFINED BY THE FDA BY 100 HOUSEHOLDS OR MORE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO CARS WITHIN A HALF-MILE RADIUS.

THAT LACK OF QUALITY FOOD IS SOMETHING THAT IS A QUALITY OF LIFE COMPONENT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR CITY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH OF A STRUGGLE THAT IS, WHEN YOU'VE GOT 10 MILES OF A DRIVE TO GET TO A QUALITY GROCERY STORE, THERE'S A PROBLEM.

THAT SHOULD NEVER BE A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT IS VIEWED AS A LUXURY.

THIS IS AGAIN, PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF CORPORATE INCENTIVES THAT I ABSOLUTELY THINK IS WORTH DOING EVERY TIME.

IF THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INVESTMENT IN BRINGING IN SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT GET IF THERE WAS A MAGIC BULLET AND WE WERE GOING TO BE GETTING A GROCERY STORE WITHOUT US PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH WAS AS A CITY, THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.

IN FACT, WE'VE EVEN HAD INCENTIVES ON THE TABLE AND THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED.

IN ORDER TO GET THIS BIG BOX STORE, IN ORDER TO CREATE A MODEL FOR US TO WORK TOWARDS GOING FORWARD TO HELP BREAK UP FOOD INSECURITY THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS SPECIFICALLY.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK Y'ALL.

I HOPE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BUILD ON THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH TOM THUMB AND GET MORE STORES AND OTHER PARTS AS WELL.

WHEN I FIRST READ THIS AGENDA ITEM COMING UP, I WAS DEFINITELY A LITTLE JEALOUS WITH THE COMMUNITIES THAT I SERVE AND MYSELF.

I HAVE TO DRIVE OVER TO LAKEWOOD AREA TO GET A GROCERY STORE.

THAT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE OKAY WITH ACCEPTING.

THIS IS US NOT ACCEPTING IT.

THIS IS US TAKING ACTION TO CORRECT IT.

I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.

COUNCILMEMBER WEST, YOU RECOGNIZE THIS AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I WANT TO GIVE CONGRATS AS WELL TO MY COLLEAGUES IN DISTRICT 3 AND DISTRICT 8, CHAIRMAN ATKINS AND THOMAS ON CONTINUING THE MOMENTUM THAT WE'RE SEEING IN OAK CLIFF AS WELL AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE EDC OUR CORPORATION SOON ONCE THAT GETS STOOD UP AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT, MOMENTUM IS HAPPENING, IS HAPPENING AT REDBIRD.

THANKS TO PETER AND HIS TEAM AND THE LEADERSHIP IN OAK CLIFF.

I HEARD ALL THE DIFFERENT GREAT AMENITIES THAT CHAIRMAN ATKINS MENTIONED, BUT HE FORGOT TO MENTION CAR WASHES.

I WILL TELL YOU OF MY THREE CAR WASH SITES AND OPERATION RIGHT NOW [LAUGHTER] MY BEST PERFORMING ONE IS IN OAK CLIFF. IT IS.

IT'S NOT IN THE CITY OF CEDAR HILL OR ENNIS IT'S IN OAK CLIFF.

THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SPEND DOWN THERE, VERY DIVERSE AREA.

I AM EXCITED TO SEE THE MOMENTUM CONTINUE TO COME TO DISTRICTS 1, 4, 3, AND 8 BECAUSE OF THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK.

THIS GOES TO SHOW AS CHAIRMAN ATKINS MENTIONED, THIS DID NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

THIS TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET THIS DEAL DONE.

IT INVOLVES BOND FUNDING, I ASSUME.

I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY THAT WE GOT NOT JUST THIS, BUT IN THE PAST.

THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR VOTERS TO PAY ATTENTION TO OUR 2024 BOND WHICH IS COMING UP AND ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAMMERING OUT IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS BECAUSE WE WON'T BE HERE.

NONE OF US WILL PROBABLY BE HERE TO SEE THE FRUITS OF THE 2024 BOND, AT LEAST NOT ALL OF IT.

BUT IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.

COUNCILMEMBER THOMAS, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THIS TIME IS A FIVE-MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

FIRST, I WANT TO COMMEND CHAIRMAN ATKINS.

IN ORDER TO GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS DONE IT TAKES DOGGED DETERMINATION.

HE GAVE THE HISTORY EARLIER, SO I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

ONE THING I WILL MAKE A NOTE OF IS INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE MATTERS.

INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE MATTERS HAVING SOMEONE WHO HAS THE HISTORY, WHO CAN SHARE THAT HISTORY FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

I COMMEND YOU FOR SEEING THIS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

I WANT TO THANK ROBIN BENTLEY AND ALSO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

VERY CAPABLE OF PUTTING TOGETHER A DEAL AND PUTTING TOGETHER A PACKAGE THAT'S ATTRACTIVE TO,

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IN THIS CASE, A CORPORATE ENTITY WHICH IS TOM THUMB, I WANT TO THANK PETER BRODSKY.

PETER MADE A COMMITMENT.

HE MADE A COMMITMENT TO ME PERSONALLY, ALMOST EIGHT YEARS AGO.

WHEN WE SAT DOWN AND HAD OUR FIRST CONVERSATION WHEN HE PURCHASED THE MALL, I HAD A LIST OF THINGS.

NOT THAT I WANTED, BUT THE LIST OF THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY SAID THAT THEY WANTED AT THE TOP OF THAT LIST WAS A GROCERY STORE.

I TRIED MY BEST FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS TO BRING ONE TO DISTRICT 3.

BUT I'M GLAD THAT WE WILL HAVE ONE ACROSS THE STREET.

THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN OAK CLIFF WHO HAVE LIVED THEIR ENTIRE LIFE, RAISED THEIR FAMILY, RAISING THEIR GRANDCHILDREN IN OAK CLIFF, SPECIFICALLY IN THE AREA NEAR REDBIRD MALL.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO TODAY WILL REAP THE BENEFITS AND WE'LL CELEBRATE AT THIS I CAN'T WAIT TO OUR NEXT BREAKFAST TO TELL MY COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I JUST GOT TO ASK THIS AT THE LAST MEETING AND I HAD TO MOM WAS THE WORD.

NOW BECAUSE OF DETERMINATION, BECAUSE OF CAPABLE SKILL, THEY WON'T HAVE TO WAIT DOWN THE ROAD.

THEY'LL REAP THE BENEFITS NOW, I TELL THEM ALL THE TIME THE REWARDS YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT OF REDBIRD AND THINGS AROUND REDBIRD.

THIS IS YOUR REWARD FOR STAYING IN OAK CLIFF.

THE COMMUNITY COULD HAVE MOVED TO SOME OF THOSE SURROUNDING SUBURBS, BUT THEY DIDN'T, AND BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T, THEY'RE REAPING THE BENEFITS NOW AND THEY WILL RIP THEM IN THE FUTURE.

COUNCILMAN BESEL DID TALK ABOUT PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

SOME OF US PERSONALLY WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, PUT MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH WAS AND I DON'T KNOW A BETTER INVESTMENT THAT I CAN THINK OF THAN TO INVEST IN A FULL SERVICE BRAND NAME GROCERY STORE THAT'S GOING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THAT SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE THIS AREA AND THE COUNCILMEMBERS.

I KNOW YOU'RE ALL JUST TOUCH REALLY CLOSE TO THIS.

BUT CHAIRMAN ATKINS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS.

YOUR WORDS WHERE ELOQUENT WE DEFINITELY DID SEE DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE KNEW WE HAD AN ISSUE.

WE KNEW WE HAD A PROBLEM WHEN IT CAME TO FOOD INSECURITY IN THE CITY, BUT DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE REALIZED THAT WE HAD A CRISIS.

THANKS TO YOUR LEADERSHIP, WE'RE GETTING THIS DONE.

PETER YOU AND YOUR TEAM, THANK YOU.

YOU ALL CONTINUE TO EXCEL DOWN THERE IN REDBIRD.

LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU WANT TO COME TO SIX, WE GOT SOME AREAS FOR YOU AS WELL.

I'M GOING TO SIT HERE AND DANCE WITH YOU ALL AND CELEBRATE THIS, MR. ATKINS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED DESPERATELY, MR. THOMAS, MAYOR PRO TEM, EVEN SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS.

EVEN THOUGH WE'RE A LITTLE FURTHER, THIS IS STILL THE AREA THAT SOME OF OUR FOLKS WE'LL GET TO AND GO TO.

THIS IS ALSO ANOTHER AREA WHERE WE GET TO SAY WE'RE COMPETING WITH OUR SUBURB CITIES, BECAUSE THOSE SUBURB CITIES WILL DRIVE INTO DALLAS AND COME OVER TO REDBIRD.

JUST TO GET TO SEE REDBIRD, I ALMOST WANT TO RENAME IT THE PHOENIX JUST TO SEE IT RISING FROM WHAT IT WAS AT ONE POINT TO SEE THIS HAPPENING IN OUR GREAT CITY AND TO BE ABLE TO SHOW SOUTHERN DALLAS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS JUST CARE ABOUT YOU, WILL TAKE CARE OF YOU, AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED IS HAPPENING.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. ATKINS FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND THE BIGGEST WINNERS CONGRATULATIONS TO THE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH DALLAS IN THIS REDBIRD AREA BECAUSE THEY'RE THE BIGGEST WINNERS ONCE THIS GETS OPENED.

I MAKE SURE I GET INVITED TO THE RIBBON CUTTING.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM.

I KNOW THAT MY PHONE WILL START LIGHTING UP BEFORE I GET THIS CORRECTED, SOUTHERN DALLAS [LAUGHTER].

COUNCILMEMBER MENDELSON, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THIS TIME FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO HAVE A COUPLE.

I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU SAW THE NUMBER AT LEAST TOOK YOUR BREATH AWAY, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO PAY FOR A GROCERY STORE.

I KNOW WE OFFERED THREE MILLION AT ONE POINT AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY TAKERS.

IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE WHOLE CITY THAT A GROCERY STORE IS NEEDED THERE.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT WHEN I DID HERE THE NUMBER I WENT, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK AND ACCOUNT FOR HOW MUCH WE'VE ACTUALLY INVESTED IN THIS PROJECT AND THEN THIS AREA, IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT. PLEASE CORRECT ME.

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I'VE GOT 2016, WE GAVE A $2.4 MILLION GRANT TO THE DEVELOPER, 2018, WE GAVE ANOTHER GRANTS OF $10 MILLION PLUS A 15-YEAR INTEREST-ONLY LOAN OF 12 MILLION.

WE AWARDED 15.6 MILLION OF THE TIF TO THE PROJECT, 2020 13 MILLION IN NEW MARKET TAX CREDITS.

WE MODIFY THE 380 LOANS SO THAT THE TIF FUNDS COULD BE RELEASED IMMEDIATELY INSTEAD OF DRAWING DOWN FROM THE BOND.

THEN THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON, I'M GOING TO CALL IT A CAMPUS FOR CHIME IN 2019, WE GAVE $2 MILLION AS A GRANT, PLUS ANOTHER 500,000 IN 2021.

PALLADIUM APARTMENTS WE FUNDED A $6.2 MILLION LOAN IN 2019 AND THEN GAVE A GRANT OF OVER $2 MILLION IN 2019.

IT WAS FINANCED BY DALLAS HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION AND THEN IT'S BEING LEASED BACK BY PALLADIUM AND THEN WE'VE GOT A GRANT AND A TIF FROM MARRIOTT THAT HAVEN'T BEEN EXERCISED YET. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. COUNCIL APPROVED, BUT THEY HAVE NOT STARTED CONSTRUCTION.

>> THAT'S ANOTHER 1.8 MILLION TIF AND $1.5 MILLION GRANT.

>> ROBIN BENTLEY, DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE ONLY CORRECTION I WOULD MAKE IN THE LIST THAT YOU READ IS THAT 15.6 MILLION AND TIF WAS NOT AN AWARD TO THE DEVELOPER, IT WAS AN AWARD THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE CITY SO THAT FUNDING WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY.

BUT OTHERWISE, YOU'RE CORRECT.

>> THE AWARD TO THE CITY IS TO DO WHAT WITH THAT MONEY.

>> IT'S A BIT OF A COMPLEX DEAL.

LET ME CALL MY ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, KEVIN SPATH TO WALK THROUGH THAT ONE.

>> KEVIN SPATH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SUBSIDIES TO THE ENTITY CONTROLLED BY PETER BRODSKY WAS MOSTLY TO PREPARE THE OVERALL SITE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND GRADING INFRASTRUCTURE, ROADS, WATER AND SEWER.

>> WOULD YOU SAY THAT THAT TIF FUNDING BENEFITED THE PROJECT?

>> SAY THAT AGAIN.

>> WOULD YOU SAY THAT TIF FUNDING WHICH WENT TO THE CITY TO DO THAT WORK, WOULD YOU SAY IT BENEFITED THIS PROJECT?

>> WHEN I COUNTED UP, I'M COMING UP WITH OVER $49 MILLION IN GRANTS AND TIF, $18 MILLION IN LOANS, PLUS QUITE A FEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

WE ALSO MODIFIED SOME AGREEMENTS TO BE FAVORABLE TO THE DEVELOPER.

I GUESS WHAT I'M POINTING OUT HERE IS WE HAVE INVESTED ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF RESOURCES IN THIS PROJECT AND I THINK IT'S DOING WELL IN MANY CASES.

THE STARBUCKS, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT'S DOING.

>> SURE. TO YOUR POINT, WE HAVE INVESTED A LOT.

WE INVESTED IN THE FIRST MAJOR TENANT IN REDBIRD CHYME AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT, EVERY MAJOR TENANT THAT'S FOLLOWED IS NOT REQUIRED ANY INCENTIVES BECAUSE THAT'S SET THE MARKET.

WE INVESTED IN PALLADIUM, A CLASSY APARTMENT BUILDING, AND HOPEFULLY MORE RESIDENTIAL WILL FOLLOW BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD TO SET THE MARKET.

HOPEFULLY THE GROCERY STORE, WE'LL DO THE SAME THING FOR SOUTHERN DALLAS.

WE'LL HAVE ONE VERY SUCCESSFUL STORY TO DISPEL SOME OF THE MYTHS ABOUT LEAKAGE AND PROFITABILITY AND SECURITY.

IF THAT STORE DOES WELL, THEN OUR JOB BECOMES MUCH SIMPLER FOR EVERY GROCERY STORE THAT FOLLOWS.

WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING THIS DEAL WITH TOM THUMB SINCE 2021.

THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS IN CREDIT TO TOM THUMB AND ALBERTSONS FOR STEPPING UP AND TAKING THIS RISK WITH THE CITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS EVERY OTHER GROCERY HAS ABOUT OPENING A STORE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO OPEN YOUR EIGHTH STORE IN THE SUBURBS THAN TO TAKE A CHANCE ON SOUTHERN DALLAS.

BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THIS STORE, LIKE OUR OTHER INVESTMENTS, WILL SET THE MARKET, IMPROVE THE MODEL FOR FUTURE STORES.

THE STARBUCKS THAT YOU MENTIONED, I BELIEVE IS THE SECOND MOST PROFITABLE STARBUCKS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND MORE RETAILERS FOLLOWED BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT RETAIL STORE SHOWED WHAT'S POSSIBLE WITH THE INVESTMENTS AT REDBIRD.

THAT CATALYTIC INVESTMENT IS WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO DO IN A FEW AREAS OF THE CITY BECAUSE THEN THOSE AREAS HAVE THEIR OWN GRAVITATIONAL PULL AND PULL IN ADDITIONAL PRIVATE INVESTMENT ONCE THE CITY HAS STARTED WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE STREET LIGHTS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO PREP THE SITE FOR A STORE LIKE TOM THUMB.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO POP BACK TO THE BIGGER QUESTION.

THIS IS THE ONLY GROCERY STORE DEAL THAT'S COME FORWARD. IS THAT TRUE?

>> NO. WE'VE DONE OTHER GROCERY STORE DEALS.

>> FOR THIS LOCATION.

>> FOR THIS LOCATION, YES.

>> YES. WE'VE ACTIVELY BEEN PURSUING THIS FOR AT LEAST AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL.

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>> AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THANKS TO SOME OF YOUR HELP AND INTRODUCING US TO GROCERIES, MAKING CONTACTS.

WE'VE MET WITH EVERY MAJOR GROCER TRYING TO ATTRACT THEM, TOURING THEM AROUND, SHOWING THEM SITES.

WE TOURED TOM THUMB AROUND SEVERAL DIFFERENT SITES TRYING TO ATTRACT ANY GROCER TO SOUTHERN DALLAS, SO YES.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I PERSONALLY HAVE MET WITH SPROUTS AND HEB ABOUT GOING TO THIS AREA UNSUCCESSFULLY.

IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO FUND MORE RETAIL IN THIS PROJECT? ARE WE FOREVER MORE TIED TO EVERY DEAL THAT COMES IN?

>> THAT'S FAIR QUESTION.

I THINK THE MARKET WILL TELL US THAT.

IF WE ESTABLISH THESE RENTS AND WE ESTABLISH THE RETAIL AND SUCCESS, THEN I THINK MORE TENANTS AND STORES WILL COME JUST LIKE THEY'VE DONE INSIDE THEM ALL PROPERTY WITH THE MEDICAL TENANTS IN THE WORKFORCE TENANTS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO INCENTIVIZE ANY OF THOSE.

I CAN'T SAY NEVER BECAUSE A DEAL MAY COME ALONG LIKE THIS GROCERY DEAL WHERE I WOULD HAVE DONE THIS INCENTIVE FOR ANY LOCATION IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, SO IT MADE SENSE TO DO IT AT REDBIRD AS WELL.

NEVER SAY NEVER BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE AREA IS STARTING TO PULL IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT WITHOUT THE CITY ANY LONGER.

I THINK WE'RE HEADED THAT DIRECTION.

>> THE GOAL OF THIS SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT WE'VE ALREADY MADE WAS TO SPUR ITS OWN INDEPENDENCE, NOT TO CONTINUE TO SUBSIDIZE EVERY DEAL THAT COMES FORWARD.

>> SURE. INTO THAT POINT, WE WERE MEETING WITH THE TOM THUMB FOLKS WHO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE BEFORE THE MEETING AND THEY WERE SAYING WHAT DREW THEM TO THIS SITE WAS THE FACT THAT SO MUCH ACTIVITY WAS HAPPENING, SO MUCH INVESTMENT HAD OCCURRED THAT IT SEEMED LIKE A SAFER BET THAN OTHER PLACES THEY'D LOOKED, SO THE INVESTMENTS ARE WORKING.

>> FOR ME, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I DO THINK IT'S A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY.

IT'S ONLY SINCE THIS DEAL CAME FORWARD THAT I PULLED ALL THE NUMBERS.

WE NEED THE GROCERY STORE, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ANYTHING ELSE THAT COMES FORWARD AT THIS AREA.

I THINK THERE ARE MANY AREAS IN EVERY ONE OF OUR DISTRICTS THAT NEED SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT AND WE'VE PUT FORWARD A LOT OF MONEY, A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF RESOURCES, AND NOW IT NEEDS TO STAND ON ITS OWN.

I HOPE THIS IS A VERY SUCCESSFUL VENTURE FOR EVERYBODY.

I THINK IT'S WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, AND I THINK IT'S A LOT OF WHAT WE'VE COMMITTED TO DO.

BUT I THINK NOW IT'S TIME FOR IT TO STAND ON IT'S OWN LEGS. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCILWOMAN JAYNIE SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SORRY, BACK.

YOU GO DOWN. QUICK QUESTION.

DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF, IF REDBIRD AND THE AREA GETS FULLY BUILT OUT, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF PAYOFF THAT WILL BE FOR THE CITY?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT ANALYSIS, BUT I WILL PULL IT AND SEND IT TO YOU.

>> OKAY. BUT IT'S SIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT THE INVESTMENT IS THAT WE MADE THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT CHAIR MENDELSON BROUGHT IN ALL THE MONEY THAT'S BEEN THE PAYOFF IS EXPECTED TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SURE. I MEAN, WITHIN THE TIFF, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING WHEN THE TIP EXPIRES WILL BECOME INSTANT REVENUE TO THE CITY.

THEN WE'RE STARTING TO SEE INQUIRIES FOR THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THE TIPS SUB-DISTRICT, THE OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON CAMP WISDOM, WHICH ARE NOT IN A TIFF AND ALL OF THAT GROWTH WOULD BECOME REVENUE TO THE CITY.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> WOULD YOU SAY ALSO JUST LOOKING AT THINGS HISTORICALLY IN TERMS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPMENT THAT THE LONG HISTORICAL INVESTMENT IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR CITY, THAT'S WHAT HAS BUILT OUT DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR CITY.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT?

>> WELL, SURE. I THINK THAT'S THE POINT THAT COUNCIL MADE IN JANUARY WHEN YOU APPROVED OUR NEW INCENTIVE POLICY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE FUND IS THAT WE HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF DIS EQUAL INVESTMENT IN THE CITY, AND SO THERE ARE LARGE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT YOU ALL REPRESENT THAT HAVE OLD INFRASTRUCTURE, OUTDATED INFRASTRUCTURE, UNDERSIZED INFRASTRUCTURE, MISSING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND REDBIRD IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHERE THE CITY NEEDED TO STEP IN FIRST AND HELP PREPARE THE SITE FOR ALL OF THE SUCCESS THAT IT'S HAD.

>> KIND OF WORKS FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MODEL THAT WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING, THEN THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE EXPLAINING TO ALL OF US BEFORE, IS THAT CORRECT MS. BENTLEY?

>> YES, EXACTLY.

>> GOT IT. NOW, I WOULD SAY IN TERMS OF THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE INCENTED VERSUS SOME OF THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

NOW FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME OF THE OLDER PARTS OF TOWN THAT WERE INVESTED IN 50 PLUS YEARS AGO, LET'S SAY ALL OF NORTH DALLAS WHERE THE CITY PUT IN.

>> EXACTLY.

>> I WAS GETTING THERE.

[LAUGHTER].

I JUST DON'T AFFIRM QUESTION.

FOR MANY DECADES THE CITY INVESTED IN PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT NORTHERN DALLAS.

NOW IT'S SOUTHERN DALLAS IS TURN SO TO SPEAK.

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THEN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO WITH NORTH DALLAS AS THE GROWTH ACTUALLY WORKED.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK WITH STREETS AND ALLEYS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ON THE BOND AND RIGHTLY SO.

THINGS THAT HAD BEEN PUT IN 50 PLUS YEARS AGO THAT NOW NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED.

BUT FOR SOME PARTS OF TOWN, IT'S THE INITIAL AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THIS IS NOT INITIAL INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT WAS INFRASTRUCTURE BUILT FOR A MALL IN THE '70S.

IT WAS NOT ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE USERS THAT ARE THERE NOW, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEWHERE LIKE UNIVERSITY HILLS WHERE THERE LITERALLY WAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE INCENTIVE THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVED FOR THAT PROJECT WAS THE FIRST INFRASTRUCTURE TO BE BUILT.

>> FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE GIVING INCENTIVES FOR GROCERY STORE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS AND WE'RE NOT GIVING INCENTIVES FOR, ALTHOUGH WE DID AND IT'S PAID OFF MIGHTILY WITH THE COSTCO.

IT'S PAID OFF EXPONENTIALLY, I THINK.

AS WE DO THESE INCENTIVES, CAN YOU JUST, FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, JUST GIVE ONE MINUTE ON HOW THIS WORKS SO THAT THEY CAN BE COMFORTED IN THEIR MIND WHY THIS WILL PAY OFF FOR EVERYONE IN THE CITY, NOT JUST FOR THOSE PARTICULAR RESIDENTS.

>> SURE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT THIS STORE WILL ATTRACT RESIDENTS FROM ALL AROUND SOUTHERN DALLAS AND THE SUBURBS AROUND SOUTHERN DALLAS.

THAT TAX REVENUE THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING TO OUR SOUTHERN SUBURBS WILL COME INTO DALLAS.

THE SALES TAX REVENUE SPINNING OFF OF THIS STORE.

THERE IS A SMALL REBATE OVER THE FIRST TEN YEARS, BUT AFTER THAT, ALL OF THE SALES TAX WILL BE BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

LIKE I SAID, AFTER THE TIP EXPIRES, ALL OF THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE BECOMES CITY OF DALLAS REVENUE.

THEN IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT THE CITY MADE UPFRONT IS WHAT HELPED TO TRACK THE STORE.

BECAUSE WE HAD LAID THE GROUNDWORK AND PREPARED A SITE FOR A GROCERY STORE.

WITHOUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, THE INCENTIVE LIKELY WOULD HAVE BEEN LARGER BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO INCENT HIGHER RENTS TO COMPENSATE FOR THE HIGHER STORE COSTS.

ALL OF THE INVESTMENTS BUILD ON ONE ANOTHER.

>> GOT IT. BASICALLY, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO BUILD A VILLAGE, BUT THAT VILLAGE TAKES LEADERS.

WE'VE HAD INCREDIBLE BUSINESS LEADERS.

WE'VE HAD GREAT POLICYMAKERS AND BRILLIANT STAFF WHO ARE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER IN THIS LONG NEGLECTED PART OF TOWN.

I THINK THAT THE SEEDS THAT WE'RE PLANTING TODAY WILL HELP RELIEVE THE PROPERTY TAX BURDEN THAT IS CURRENTLY DISPROPORTIONATE.

THE PROPERTY TAX BURDEN IS 85% IN NORTHERN DALLAS.

BUT IT'S UNEVEN BECAUSE OUR CITY INVESTED IN THE NORTH FOR DECADES, LEAVING SOUTHERN DALLAS BEHIND.

THIS INVESTMENT AND OTHERS WILL HELP MAKE DALLAS MORE BALANCED CITY WITH MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TAX INCOME DUE TO THE NEW HOMES AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CAPTURING THAT SALES TAX THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH OUR SOUTHERN SUBURBS.

I THINK THIS IS A RESPONSIBLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DECISION WITH A SHORT-TERM ALLOTMENT FOR A LONG-TERM PAYOFFS CITYWIDE, AND I'LL BE VERY PLEASED TO SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER.

NOW LOOKING INTO Q, I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA THIS IS YOUR SECOND TIME.

IT IS NOW COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ FIRST-TIME. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ STOLE MY THUNDER.

I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST POINTED OUT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED.

CHAIRMAN ATKINS, CHAIRMAN THOMAS, MR. BRODSKY, TOM THUMB, CITY STAFF, [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

I THINK THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN THE CITY DOES INVEST IN LONG NEGLECTED COMMUNITIES AND FOCUSES ON RIGHTING THE WRONGS OF OUR PAST IN THE CITY.

I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO INVEST NOT ONLY IN REDBIRD BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR CITY, PARTICULARLY SOUTHERN DALLAS, BECAUSE THE GOAL IS TO SEE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, INCLUDING DISTRICT FIVE AND BEAUTIFUL PLEASANT GROVE AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, RESENDEZ.

COUNCIL MEMBER, I BELIEVE MR. TENNELL ATKINS, COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT 8 AND THE ELDER OF THE COUNCIL WE'RE HEARING YOU NOW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, IT'S AMAZING THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT UNTIL TO SAVE IT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

UPTOWN. LOOK AT UPTOWN.

HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT IN UPTOWN? HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT IN UPTOWN, AND LOOK WHAT UPTOWN WAS A BLACK COMMUNITY.

LOOK AT IT NOW. UPTOWN BROWNSTONE.

I WENT TO SCHOOL TO ST. PETER'S HALL, THOMAS AND HALL, LOOK AT IT.

LOOK AT WEST DALLAS.

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LOOK WHAT WE DID WITH AMERICAN AIRLINES WITH A TIP.

WE WERE GOING TO SEND THAT MONEY BACK TO THE GENERAL FORM, BUT WE SAID NO, WE NEED TO DEVELOP WEST DALLAS.

LOOK AT IT NOW. DESIGN DISTRICT.

HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE PUT THERE? I'M SICK AND TIRED TO SAY, HOW MUCH MONEY WE NEED TO GO INTO SOUTHERN DALLAS.

MAYBE THE GROCERY STORE, INFRASTRUCTURE, [INAUDIBLE] WE NEED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

I DON'T SPENT A DECADE OF MY LIFE TRIED TO BUILD THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS, TRYING TO BE FAITHFUL, TRYING TO BE TRUTHFUL, AND TRYING TO PICK EVERY PIN I CAN TO GET TO DO THAT.

WE BID A REC CENTER WITHOUT A BOND PACKAGE, A LIBRARY WITHOUT A BOND PACKAGE.

WE ARE PROBABLY 15%.

IT TOOK US 20 YEARS FROM 15% TO 18% OF THE PROFIT VALUE, 20 YEARS BECAUSE OF LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

[INAUDIBLE] DIED BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT GET OFF THE FREEWAY OFF OF 20 AND THEY KNEW THAT.

IT WAS BUILT BEFORE NORTH PART WAS BUILT.

IT WAS A FIRST MODEL OR CONDITION IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

WE HAD NUMEROUS OF GROCERY STORE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

WHEN A SUPERCLASS CAME EVERYBODY MOVED TO THE SUBURBS, LEFT WITH NO SCHOOL, NO EDUCATION.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO GROW THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS, YOU NEED PUT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

IT IS NOT DISTRICT 8 IT IS DISTRICT 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 6.

THEY ARE ALL SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU ALL OF YOU.

GO BACK AND READ YOUR HISTORY.

THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS WAS A RULED AREA.

IT WAS NOT PART OF DALLAS, IT IS A YOUNG DALLAS.

EVERYTHING IN NORTH IS OLD DALLAS.

WE ARE A YOUNG CITY.

WE TRY TO BE ONE.

HOPEFULLY ONE OF THESE DAYS WE CAN BE ONE CITY.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A SOUTHERN AND THE NORTH, EAST AND WEST.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE DALLAS.

I THOUGHT I REPRESENT ONE DALLAS NOT JUST DISTRICT 8.

I REPRESENT THE WHOLE CITY.

WE NEED TO PULL IT TOGETHER AND THINK OUT LOUD, AND LET PEOPLE LISTEN TO US.

WHY ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU INVEST HERE.

I CAN GO ON AND ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE INVEST IN DOWNTOWN.

THESE ARE THE DOLLARS. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, FOR YOUR COMMENTS, ALSO THANK YOU TO COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND POINTS.

I JUST WANT TO RE-EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING NOW, INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH WE HAVEN'T SPENT IN OUR PAST.

THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, WHICH WAS UNPRECEDENTED, THAT WAS PASSED BY THIS BODY IS EXACTLY THAT EVEN THE WORD HISTORICAL CAME UP IN DEBATE THAT DAY.

THIS IS WHY IT IS SO CRITICAL FOR US TO BE ADDRESSING HISTORICAL UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS BEYOND THE AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT IN THIS MOMENT AND JUST AS ALREADY BEEN POINTED OUT, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT INVESTMENT.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN EQUITY AND EQUALITY.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT EVERY DISTRICT NEEDS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SOUTHERN DALLAS NEEDS AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BY PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS.

I AGAIN WANT TO APPLAUD THE LEADERSHIP.

I JUST WANTED TO RE-EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT THIS IS ABOUT HISTORICAL NEGLECT.

WE DIDN'T GET HERE BY ACCIDENT.

NOT EVERY COMMUNITY IN EVERY DISTRICT UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE TO DRIVE 10-15 MINUTES TO GO TO A GROCERY STORE.

THAT'S NOT A LUXURY.

THAT IS A QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT'S OUR JOB TO BE REPRESENTING THE ENTIRE CITY AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE IN DALLAS HAS THE SAME QUALITY OF LIFE.

I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL APPLAUSE FOR YOUR PERSISTENCE THROUGH THIS, FOR BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS THAT I HOPE ARE GOING TO COME INTO DISTRICT 7 AT SOME POINT AS WELL, AND JUST CONTINUE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE MANNER THAT WE'VE DIRECTED AS A COUNCIL, PLEASE, WHICH IS FOCUSING ON THE UNDERSERVED AREAS AND HELPING TO SHARE UP THAT SCORE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY INADEQUATE.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

COUNCIL MEMBER CASEY THOMAS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF.

ROB, YOU TALKED ABOUT SIT IN THE MARKET.

I'M GOING TO USE A MORE COMMON LANGUAGE.

THE LANGUAGE I WANT TO USE IS A MODEL, ESTABLISHING A MODEL OF SUCCESS FOR A GROCERY STORE,

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BRAND NAME GROCERY STORE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY.

YOU TALK ABOUT THE STORE BOOKS AND I DRIVE BY THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS, DON'T GO WITH AS I USED TO, BUT IT'S A COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE COME TO REALIZE AS I'VE GOTTEN OLDER IS HOW IMPORTANT EXPOSURE IS.

YOU GOT TO COME AND SEE IT.

ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO THIS COUNCIL YEARS AGO WAS WHEN WE PAIRED IT UP.

WE WILL PAIR IT UP THOSE WHO IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, WE'LL PAIR IT UP WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER ON NORTH DALLAS.

I WAS PAIRED UP WITH FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER GATES, AND SHE KNOWS HER DISTRICT BETTER THAN I EVER COULD.

WE SPENT HALF A DAY IN NORTH DALLAS AND THE OTHER HALF WE SPENT IN OAK CLIFF.

I WAS ABLE TO SHOW HER THINGS THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW EXISTED AND SHE WAS ABLE TO SHOW ME THINGS THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT EXISTED.

WE ALL HAVE PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCES, BASED ON THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD.

BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY GET A CHANCE TO SEE THINGS FOR YOURSELF, IT MAKES A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE.

A COMMON TERM THAT'S OFTEN USED IS COME WALK A MILE IN MY SHOES.

ANYONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHY I WAS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT US HAVING A RACIAL EQUITY RESOLUTION AND US HAVE A RACIAL EQUITY PLAN AND US DOING EVERYTHING AROUND THIS HARSH BASED ON RACIAL EQUITY, IS SIMPLY BECAUSE I'VE LIVED THE HISTORIC NEGLECT AND I REPRESENT INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE COMMITTED TO SPEND THEIR LIFE IN AN ERROR THAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY NEGLECTED.

IT'S NO WAY YOU CAN PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT ON HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH.

COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS SAYS BILLIONS.

THE QUESTION MAY NEED TO BE BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S INVESTMENT IN NORTH DALLAS, HOW MUCH MONEY HAS NORTH DALLAS BENEFITED? WHAT'S THE VALUE OF NORTH DALLAS AS A RESULT OF THE MONEY THAT WAS INVESTED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS? WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS FROM A DIFFERENT LENS, THEN WE CAN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND FROM ANOTHER PERSON'S POINT OF VIEW. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS.

WE ARE NOW EMPTY IN TERMS OF THE QUEUE, AND SO THAT GIVES ME A CHANCE TO SPEAK BEFORE WE BREAK FOR LUNCH.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A RECORD VOTE ELDER, WE'RE GETTING THERE.

I AM EXTREMELY EXCITED TODAY IN THIS SEAT AND ON THE COUNCIL.

IT HAS BEEN A LONG JOURNEY.

I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO STATE, FIRST OF ALL, TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO JUST PRETTY MUCH STAYED THE COURSE AND HIS TEAM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM, BUT IT CONSISTED OF A NUMBER OF STAFF MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THIS CITY OF DALLAS AND YOU ALL ARE TO BE COMMENDED.

ALSO, MR. PETER BRODSKY, I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT THIS LITTLE STATEMENT AND I'LL JUST SAY BRODSKY BROUGHT IT.

YOU HAVE ENDURED A GREAT DEAL OF SCRUTINY, YOU'VE ALSO DEALT WITH A GREAT DEAL OF CRITICISM, AND YOU COULD HAVE WALKED OFF ANY DAY THAT YOU WANT IT TO SERIOUSLY.

BUT YOU STAY COMMITTED TO THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FOLKS FROM ALL SECTIONS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH THEIR COMMENTS, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, YOU RAN THE RACE, YOU STOOD THE COURSE, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT VISITED AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY, YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND READ.

JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE OLD NEWSPAPERS, GO ONLINE.

IT'S A TRANSFORMATION.

WHEN I ARRIVED IN DALLAS, IT WAS REDBIRD MALL, THEN IT BECAME SOUTHWEST CENTER MALL, AND NOW WE'RE BACK, AND OF COURSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME OF THOSE OTHER TERMS. BUT NOW WE'RE BACK AT REDBIRD MALL WHERE THE REDBIRDS ARE NOW FLYING AROUND IN THERE CELEBRATING.

WE DON'T WANT YOU TO LEAVE HERE TODAY THINKING THAT YOU'VE NOT MET THE MARK, YOU HAVE.

WE WANT TO GIVE THE SIGNAL TO THE OTHERS, GROCERY STORES AND INVESTORS.

WE'RE HERE, WE'RE ACCEPTING INVESTMENTS BECAUSE IT IS TIME.

WE'RE RECLAIMING OUR TIME.

AS WE SPEAK TODAY ABOUT TOM THUMB, I CAME TO DALLAS WHEN TOM THUMB WAS ON CAMP WISDOM AND POLK.

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NOW I DERIVED A CEDAR HILL TO GET TO TOM THUMB.

NOW BECAUSE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, THE CITY OF DALLAS AND OF COURSE, MR. BRODSKY, I NOW CAN GO RIGHT TO REDBIRD MALL, BUT ALSO THE OTHER BENEFITS OF THAT MALL RIGHT NOW, HOUSING, THE MEDICAL OPPORTUNITIES.

I AM SO EXCITED ABOUT UT SOUTHWESTERN PARKLAND.

IT IS JUST BEAUTIFUL AND THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT BEEN, YOU NEED TO SEE IT'S A MAJOR TRANSFORMATION, AND WE DESERVE, AND YOU DESERVE THE CELEBRATION AND THE SOUTHERN SECTOR TOO.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CELEBRATE THIS DAY, A DAY FOR DALLAS, A DAY FOR OAK CLIFF.

BUT LET'S ALSO REMEMBER THIS, MAYOR MIKE RAWLINGS, WHO FIRST TALKED ABOUT GROWING SOUTH.

HE TOOK A LOT OF BUMPS BECAUSE YOU HAD INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO GROW SOUTH TO GROW IMMEDIATELY.

BUT WE'RE GETTING THERE NOW.

HATS OFF TO HIM TOO FOR TAKING THE STEP AND ALSO BEING BRAVE ENOUGH AND BOLD ENOUGH TO SAY WE MUST GROW SOUTH.

THIS IS A GREAT DAY, ONCE AGAIN, TO ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

BUT JUST REMEMBER, WE MUST CONTINUE THIS JOURNEY.

TODAY IS OUR DAY TO RECLAIM OUR TIME.

ONCE AGAIN, MR. PETER BRODSKY TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM, THANK YOU, MR. BRODSKY FOR BRINGING IT.

WE'RE NOW READY FOR THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, WHO REPRESENTS AND PROBABLY THINK HE OWNS ALL OF THAT.

[LAUGHTER] VERY HAPPY TO ASK FOR A RECORD VOTE AT THIS TIME.

CITY SECRETARY, WE'RE READY FOR.

>> PLEASE START VOTING. EIGHT HAVE VOTED, 10 HAVE VOTED, 14 HAVE VOTED.

WITH ALL 14 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL PRESENT VOTING IN FAVOR.

MAYOR JOHNSON ABSENT VOTE TAKEN.

THE ITEM PASSES. MADAM MAYOR.

[APPLAUSE].

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH COUNCIL.

I BELIEVE RATHER THAN, AS WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, LET'S GO AHEAD AT THIS TIME AND BREAK FOR LUNCH.

WE WILL RETURN AT 1:00 PM.

I BELIEVE, COUNCIL MEMBER, DO YOU HAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE SCHEDULE? YOU HAVE PRESS CONFERENCE, AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO CAN ATTEND IS IN THE FLAG ROOM 11: 30.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

IT IS NOW 11:19 AND WE'RE MOVING TOWARD A LUNCH AND WE'LL RETURN AT ONE O'CLOCK.

RECESS. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE NOW HAVE A QUORUM.

WE'RE PREPARING FOR OUR VOTING AGENDA.

WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS AT THIS TIME? IT IS NOW 1:02.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL CONTINUE OUR VOTING AGENDA.

WE'LL NOW GO BACK TO YOUR PULLED ITEMS. YOUR FIRST PULLED ITEM.

AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11.

[11. Authorize (1) the approval and adoption of the Dallas Housing Policy 2033 attached as Exhibit A to replace the Comprehensive Housing Policy (CHP); and (2) the Department of Housing and Neighborhood Revitalization (Housing) to continue operating its current programs, previously adopted under the CHP Comprehensive Housing Policy, now to be included in a new document known as the Dallas Housing Resource Catalog (to be adopted separately); (3) Housing will have a 6-12 month implementation plan; (4) Housing will establish an advisory Housing Task Force; and (5) Housing will report on progress to City Council - Financing: No cost consideration to the City]

>> THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> I'LL READ THAT ITEM FOR THE RECORD.

>> SORRY. I'VE RUSHED THERE.

>> AGENDA ITEM 11.

AUTHORIZED WHEN THE APPROVAL AND ADOPTION OF THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033, ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT A TO REPLACE THE COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING POLICY, CHP, TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION HOUSING TO CONTINUE OPERATING ITS CURRENT PROGRAMS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED UNDER COMPREHENSIVE HOUSING POLICY, NOW TO BE INCLUDED IN A NEW DOCUMENT KNOWN AS THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG.

THREE HOUSING WILL HAVE A 6-12 MONTH IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

FOUR HOUSING WILL ESTABLISH AN ADVISORY HOUSING TASK FORCE AND FIVE HOUSING WILL REPORT ON PROGRESS TO CITY COUNCIL, THIS SIDE IT WAS CORRECTED.

IT WAS ALSO PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

YOU DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, DOMINIC ALEXANDER.

DOMINIC ALEXANDER IS NOT PRESENT.

MADAM MAYOR, THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM AND THE ITEM HAS BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD.

DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> MOVE APPROVAL.

>> IS BEEN REMOVED AND SECONDED, IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS?

>> YES. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

THIS IS A LONGTIME COMING.

WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS QUITE A WHILE AGO INITIALLY WITH OUR RACIAL EQUITY AUDIT OF THE HOUSING POLICY,

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WHICH CAME BACK WITH THE LEVEL OF RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU TO THIS COUNCIL FOR APPROVING ALL 11 RECOMMENDATIONS AND OUR DEMAND BROUGHT NEXT SAW A NEED FOR US TO START AGAIN, NOT JUST MILL AROUND THE EDGES.

AS A RESULT OF THAT WORK, I WANT TO THANK DAVID NOGUERA, DIRECTOR OF OUR HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION AND THE DEPARTMENT, FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AND TDA CONSULTING WHO DID OUR AUDIT AND ALSO LAID OUT THIS POLICY.

I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, SO DAVID IF YOU COULD COME UP AT THIS TIME.

YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. DAVID NOGUERA, DIRECTOR OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.

>> DAVID, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. LET'S START HERE.

CRITICS HAVE ASKED WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THE NEW HOUSING POLICY? HOW DO YOU RESPOND?

>> GOOD QUESTION, CHAIRMAN THOMAS.

I THINK THE FIRST FACTOR IS THE APPROACH THAT WE'RE TAKING TO INVESTING IN HOUSING.

TRADITIONALLY, OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN TO WORK WITH STAFF, WORK WITH EXTERNAL CONSULTANTS, AND PRESENT ALMOST FINISHED PRODUCTS TO THE COMMUNITY.

THEY MAY ASK SOME QUESTIONS, MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AROUND THE EDGES.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE WORK IS DONE IN HOUSE.

IN THIS CASE, WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT WE'RE STARTING WITH ENGAGEMENT.

WE'RE STARTING WITH COMMUNITY RESIDENTS, HOUSING STAKEHOLDERS, GATHERING THEIR INPUT BEFORE WE START TO PULL TOGETHER OUR PROCESS.

THE OTHER PIECE OF IT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ABOUT THIS POLICY, IS THAT WE'RE USING MORE OF A TARGETED APPROACH RATHER THAN JUST WAITING FOR DEVELOPERS AND RESIDENTS TO COME TO US AND SPRINKLING AROUND INVESTMENTS CITYWIDE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE TARGET AREAS WILL BE AND THEN INVESTING IN THOSE TARGET AREAS IN A COMPREHENSIVE MANNER.

>> DO YOU SEE WITH THIS NEW POLICY A BALANCE BETWEEN OUR FOCUS ON MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE-FAMILY?

>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE WE'RE DEVELOPING.

BECAUSE WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN THAT ARE OUT OF BALANCE.

THEY ARE EITHER ALL SINGLE-FAMILY OR THEY'RE ALL MULTIFAMILY.

WE WANT TO TRY TO GET THE TWO FACTORS BACK INTO PLAY.

AS WE START TO IDENTIFY THOSE TARGET AREAS, WE'LL TAKE A DEEPER DIVE TO LOOK AT WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BRING IN SINGLE-FAMILY VERSUS MULTIFAMILY.

NOT JUST MULTIFAMILY, BUT WHAT SCALE OF MULTIFAMILY.

>> I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT GOES INTO THE 14TH DISTRICT APPROACH.

LOOKING AT EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT, NOT JUST LOOKING AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE, BUT LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THE HOUSING NEEDS IN EACH COUNCIL DISH.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT.

>> THERE'S NO MITCH AND THEN THE POLICY OF DOLLARS OR PRODUCTION NUMBERS; WHY IS THAT?

>> GOOD QUESTION. THE POLICY IS INTENDED TO CREATE A NORTH STAR FOR WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

BUT IN TERMS OF HOW MANY UNITS WE'RE GOING TO PRODUCE, OR EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THAT CONVERSATION WILL TAKE PLACE THROUGH DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS, THROUGH THE BUDGET CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE ANNUALLY HERE AT THE HORSESHOE, AS WELL AS THROUGH PRESENTATIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING BEFORE THE TASK FORCE AROUND THE 2024 BONDS.

THERE ARE DIFFERENT SOURCES OF REVENUE THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT TO SUPPORT THIS POLICY.

BUT UNTIL COUNCIL MAKES DECISIONS ABOUT EXACTLY HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO FUND THIS AND THE SCALE AT WHICH THEY'D LIKE TO FUND THIS, IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO THROW OUT THOSE NUMBERS.

>> ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO SAY THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH HANDS-ON INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS.

I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN MEETINGS WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS OR AT LEAST ATTEMPTED MEETINGS WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THERE HAS BEEN MEETING WITH THOSE IN THE INDUSTRY.

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THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, COMMUNITY GROUPS.

HOW WOULD YOU SAY THAT IT'S SHAPED THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS POLICY?

>> IT CERTAINLY HAS INFLUENCED THE EVOLUTION OF THE POLICY.

PARTICULARLY NOW WHAT YOU SEE COMING FORWARD TODAY ARE TWO SEPARATE ITEMS. WE DIDN'T START OFF WITH THAT VISION IN PLACE.

NOW WHAT YOU SEE IS THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2033 AS ONE ITEM AND THEN THE DALLAS HOUSING RESOURCE CATALOG, WHICH IS WHERE ALL OF OUR TOOLS THAT WE USE TO REALIZE THE HOUSING POLICY WILL BE LAID.

WE ALSO HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS POLICY.

ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN A RESULT OF CONVERSATIONS AND INPUT FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED COUNCIL MEMBERS.

>> IF I'M NOT INCORRECT, LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, THE CATALOG WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, CORRECT ITEM 12?

>> YEAH. WE PROVED THAT DURING OUR VOTE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT?

>> I WANT TO SAY THE CATALOGS THAT ITEM 12 AND WE'RE ON ITEM 11 NOW.

YES.

[OVERLAPPING] GOT YOU. YES.

>> RIGHT. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED AS PART OF YOUR [OVERLAPPING] SENTENCE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE SURE NOT ONLY US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS KNOW, BUT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT THE INTENT WAS BECAUSE WE LOOKED AT A POLICY.

PEOPLE MAY LOOK FOR PROGRAMS AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, INDUSTRY MEMBERS KNOW THAT THIS CATALOG THAT WE APPROVED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS THE PROGRAMS LISTED IN IT.

I WANTED TO JUST GO ON THE RECORD, MAKE SURE THAT'S KNOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL HAVE THEIR OWN PERCEPTIONS OF THIS.

MY LAST QUESTION, AT LEAST FOR THIS ROUND, IF THOSE AROUND 2 WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES THIS POLICY TODAY, WHAT DOES IMPLEMENTATION ENTAIL?

>> GOOD QUESTION. STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH TDA CONSULTING ON AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT'LL BE COMING BEFORE COUNCIL NEXT MONTH TO LOOK AT THE ACTIVITIES THAT NEED TO BE CARRIED OUT OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT YEAR.

MUCH OF WHAT YOU SEE LAID OUT IN THE POLICY, IT STILL HAS TO BE DEVELOPED.

THAT'S WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING FROM STANDING UP THE INCLUSIVE HOUSING TASK FORCE, TO SELECTING THE TARGET AREAS, TO FLUSHING OUT OUR AGREEMENTS ACROSS DEPARTMENTS AND WITH EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, ALL OF THOSE ACTIVITIES WILL BE HAPPENING NEXT.

>> MY LAST COMMENT, AND THIS WAS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DEFINITELY INCLUDE A DASHBOARD THAT WAY WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.

THAT WAY AS THE POLICY IS BEGINNING TO BE IMPLEMENTED, WE HAVE A WAY IN WHICH THOSE WHO ARE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE, AS WE'RE, I THINK THIS PROCESS HAS RE-ESTABLISH A LOT OF TRUSTS.

IT'S RE-ESTABLISHED A LOT OF TRUST WITH COMMUNITIES THAT HAD DEVELOPED A LACK OF TRUST BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT AND TRUE INPUT THAT WAS DONE.

I THINK TO BUILD UPON THAT TRUST, WE DEFINITELY DO INCLUDE A DASHBOARD THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GETTING WITH THAT DEPARTMENT AND LOOKING AT A TIMELINE BECAUSE I KNOW IT TAKES TIME TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, BUT I THINK THAT'LL GO FOR IN TERMS OF MOVING THIS FORWARD.

COLLEAGUES HOPE THAT YOU CAN BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.

IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING AND SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, COUNCIL MEMBER, WEST

>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO JUST GIVE KUDOS TO CITY STAFF, DVT, AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER OVER.

HAS BEEN YEARS IN THE MAKING, THE CITY MANAGER AND ALSO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BECAUSE I KNOW THEY PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS AS WELL.

ADVISORS WHO'VE HELPED MYSELF AT LEAST AND PROBABLY OTHERS, CHARLIE O'CONNELL, INDUSTRY TENANTS RIGHTS ADVOCATES, WHO'D BEEN A PART OF THIS, OUR CONSULTANT WHO'S WORKED ON THIS, THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE, AND OF COURSE, CHAIRMAN THOMAS, WHO SHEPHERDED THIS THROUGH.

IT STARTED OFF WITH A RACIAL EQUITY AUDIT AND LOOK HOW FAR IT'S COME TODAY.

I LOVE EVERY PART OF THIS, MY ONE PIECE THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THIS THAT I THOUGHT IT'S A MISS TO NOT INCLUDE IT IS HAVING A CHECK-IN WITH THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS.

I KNOW UNDER CHAIRMAN THOMAS' LEADERSHIP AND UNDER DAVID'S LEADERSHIP,

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IF THAT WAS ONGOING FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'D BE HAVING THOSE CHECK-INS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYONE'S GOING TO BE IN SIX MONTHS.

WE KNOW CHAIRMAN THOMAS WON'T BE HERE.

FOR ME, I DON'T THINK A GUARANTEED CHECK-IN WITH CITY COUNCIL ONCE A YEAR IS ENOUGH.

I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO CHECK IN ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS.

I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY ADDING THE FOLLOWING, DIRECTING THE CITY MANAGER TO UPDATE THE APPROPRIATE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE REGARDING THE STARTUP AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DALLAS HOUSING POLICY 2023 EVERY SIX MONTHS.

>> THANK YOU. WE DO THIS WITH OUR OTHER POLICIES, RACIAL EQUITY POLICY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY, AND I FEEL LIKE HOUSING DESERVES THE SAME RESPECT.

JUST SO WE CAN GUARANTEE WHERE I'M GOING TO GET THOSE UPDATES, BUT COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH ME OR IF STAFF DOES, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR IT.

OTHERWISE, THIS IS A BIG VICTORY LAP AND I WANT TO SUPPORT IT TODAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, COUNCILWOMAN SCHULTZ.

MR. NAGURA YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM ME IN ADVANCE, I WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF ONE IS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE TO CHAIR THOMAS THAT THIS WILL BE DONE ON MUCH OF IT AT A DISTRICT LEVEL AND WORKING WITH THEM.

BUT COULD YOU ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF PEOPLE ACROSS THE CITY ABOUT THE WILL THERE BE MANDATES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS HOW'S THAT GOING TO WORK IN TRYING TO ACHIEVE IT? I KNOW IT WENT OFF OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ENOUGH MIXED-INCOME HOUSING.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO ASSURE MEETING THOSE GOALS WITHOUT IMPOSING THINGS ON NEIGHBORHOODS?

>> CHAIR, I'M SORRY TO YOUR DIRECTOR AND A GIRL, WOULD YOU GIVE US JUST A SECOND? COUNCILWOMAN, I'VE BEEN REMINDED WE NEED TO DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS ON THE AMENDMENT THAT'S BEEN MADE.

>> IN THAT CASE, I SUPPORT THAT AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> NICK, I WAS TRYING TO GET MY MIC OFF HERE, BUT DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NOVARTIS ON THE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE JUST MADE.

>> CAN YOU REPEAT THE AMENDMENT?

>> DO YOU WANT TO REPEAT THE AMENDMENT? COUNCIL WEST AND I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, YOU WERE NEXT.

>> SURE. IT'S SIMPLY THE DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO UPDATE WHATEVER COMMITTEE GETS HOW THE MAJOR CHANGES COMMITTEES OR IF IT STAYS HHS TO COME ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS TO UPDATE US ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT AMENDMENT?

>> NO.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR. PRO TEAM.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. MY QUESTION IS, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO CHECKING IN.

I LOVE THE SPIRIT OF IT, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IS SIX MONTHS IS THAT GOING TO BE TOO CUMBERSOME FOR A CHECK-IN FOR STAFF BECAUSE THEY'RE TOO BUSY TRYING TO GET READY FOR THE CHECK-IN AND NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK TO IMPLEMENT.

THEN EVERY SIX MONTHS WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE THESE INCREMENTAL CHANGES.

I JUST WANT TO HEAR FROM STAFF TO SEE.

I WAS THINKING A YEAR ANNUALLY VERSUS EVERY SIX MONTHS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT, SO I'M NOT SAYING I'M AGAINST IT.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF STAFF CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT WORK EVERY SIX MONTHS AND HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY GIVE A TRUE UPDATE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION COUNCILMAN.

>> WE CURRENTLY PROVIDE THE HOUSING HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE AN UPDATE EVERY MONTH ON ALL PRODUCTION ACROSS ALL 18 PROGRAMS THAT WE CURRENTLY OPERATE IN THE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S VERY EASY FOR US TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE AS IT RELATES TO NEW PROGRAMS THAT ARE COMING ONLINE, CURRENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING ADJUSTED.

I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING IT MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THAT.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT WAS WHY I WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF COULD ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT AND HAVE THE TIME.

I'LL SUPPORT THE AMENDMENTS AND STAFF SAYS THEY CAN DO IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM.

COUNCIL ON MASECCHUUETS ARE YOU SPEAKING ON THIS MOTION?

>> NO MA'AM.

>> THERE ARE NO OTHER IN THE QUEUE, SO WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT, LET US GET A RECORD VOTE AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU MADAM SECRETARY.

>> PLEASE START VOTING.

>> 10 HAVE VOTED. 11 HAVE VOTED.

12 HAVE VOTED.

13 HAVE VOTED.

14 HAVE VOTED.

WITH ALL 14 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL VOTING IN FAVOR MAYER JOHNSON ABSENT.

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THE MOTION PASSES MADAM MAYOR.

NOW, WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

GIVE US A FEW SECONDS AND WE'LL CLEAR THE QUEUE TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER.

>> PLEASE START VOTING.

>> NO. [OVERLAPPING] BUT I NEED HER TO CLEAR SO I COULD SEE WHO WAS NEXT TO SPEAK?

>> I WAS NEXT.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> YOU'RE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

>> ALL WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE HAVING A SLOW TECHNOLOGY DAY, SO WE NEED TO CLEAR THE QUEUE SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHO WAS IN THE QUEUE SO THAT YOU CAN BE CALLED ON TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

>> I'M TOO.

>> THE NEXT SPEAKER IN QUEUE, IT HASN'T CLEARED YET, MADAM MAYOR, BUT THE SPEAKERS THAT ARE IN QUEUE ARE COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, AND COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS AT THIS TIME.

>> SO THAT I WILL NOT RAISE THE EYEBROWS, I BELIEVE THAT THE HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS IS TO SPEAK FIRST.

[OVERLAPPING] YOU'RE SPEAKING ON THIS MOTION.

>> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE CONFUSION.

>> NO. NOT AT ALL. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING IS, CAN YOU HELP THE PUBLIC JUST TO UNDERSTAND HOW OUR GOALS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN TERMS OF THESE DISTRICTS AND WHETHER OR NOT THINGS WILL BE, WILL HOUSING BE MANDATED IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS, OR HOW WILL IT ACTUALLY PLAY OUT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE REST ASSURED THAT OUR GOALS TOWARD MIXED-INCOME HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN BE MET WITHOUT IMPOSING ON OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

>> GOOD QUESTION, COUNCILMAN.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT PROGRAMS AND COOPERATIONS THAT WE RUN NOW, WHAT YOU SEE IS THAT STAFF ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES THAT ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS OF BUILDING MIXED-INCOME COMMUNITIES.

WE WORK WITH DEVELOPERS, WE WORK WITH RESIDENTS.

THOSE EFFORTS WILL CONTINUE.

THERE ARE NO MANDATES.

WHAT THIS POLICY WILL DO WILL HELP US CHANNEL THOSE EFFORTS TO TARGETED AREAS SO THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT REVITALIZATION, YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT WE DIDN'T JUST DO A PROJECT IN AN AREA.

WE DID LOTS OF DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.

IT WON'T JUST BE HOUSING, IT WILL BE WORK THAT WE MAY DO WITH OFFICE OF PUBLIC SAFETY.

WORK THAT WE MAY DO WITH PUBLIC WORKS.

WORK THAT WE MAY DO WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS TO ACTUALLY TURN THAT DIAL ON REVITALIZATION.

>> THAT'S GREAT. I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS ELABORATED IN THE APPENDICES.

I JUST WANT TO ASK ONE QUESTION ON APPENDIX C WHERE YOU TALK A LOT ABOUT THE HOUSING COMMITTEE AND ALL OF THAT.

THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION.

IT'S NOT REALLY A DETAILED ONE.

IT'S THE QUESTION YOU AND I, BUT AGAIN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING COMMITTEE AND THE DIFFERENT TASK FORCES, WHEN WE ADOPT THIS POLICY, WHICH I CERTAINLY HOPE WE WILL, WE ARE NOT MANDATING THAT STRUCTURE.

THESE ARE SUGGESTIONS.

CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW IT PLAYS OUT WITH THAT ONGOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT?

>> YES. DATING BACK TO DECEMBER 2022 AT THE HOUSING HOMELESS SOLUTIONS COMMITTEE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND A HOUSING TASK FORCE.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW WILL WE STAND THAT UP? WHAT WE OFFERED WAS AN EXAMPLE, JUST AN EXAMPLE FOR HOW IT COULD BE STRUCTURED, WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE.

WE STILL HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUILD IT.

WE'VE GOTTEN OUR DIRECTIONS FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ACROSS DEPARTMENTS.

THAT'LL BE OUR STARTING POINT.

BUT THEN THE COMMUNITY, THE HOUSING STAKEHOLDERS WILL BE THE NEXT STOP TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE REFINE THAT AND BRING BACK TO COUNCIL A RECOMMENDATION OR A STRUCTURE.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECTS AND POLICIES THAT WE CAN TAKE AS LEADERS.

BECAUSE IT'S ADDRESSING AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME, A LOT OF ANECDOTAL INFORMATION, BUT THIS GIVES US A VERY CLEAR NORTHSTAR AND A DIRECTION TO MOVE IN.

I'LL VERY PROUDLY SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN SCHULTZ.

COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. DAVID WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR HOUSING POLICY, WHAT YOU SAID THIS IS THE FOUNDATION OF THE AMENDMENT GOING FORWARD WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE, YOU'RE GOING TO BOG DOWN THE ROAD.

IF YOU IMPLEMENT THE ADVISER,

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HOUSE AND TASKFORCE, YOU BECOME A NEW IDEALS?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOUSING ADVISORY TASK FORCE MAY ADVISE.

BUT MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO ON IMPLEMENTATION.

IF THE HOUSING POLICY SERVES AS OUR NORTHSTAR AND THE CATALOG IS THE CURRENT SET OF TOOLS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TO GET TO THAT NORTHSTAR, WHAT I WOULD ENVISION IS THAT THE HOUSING TASK FORCE WOULD BE PROVIDING GUIDANCE ON WHAT SHOULD OUR TARGET AREAS BE.

WHAT LEVEL OF INVESTMENTS SHOULD WE BE MAKING? THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT IT'S A LITTLE SOON TO TELL SINCE WE HAVEN'T STOOD UP THESE TASKFORCES.

>> HOW WILL YOU IDENTIFY TARGET AREAS SINCE YOU MENTIONED THAT? HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY TARGET AREAS? WHAT DOES IT MAKE ME?

>> THE TARGET AREAS THAT I EXPECT TO BE IDENTIFIED ARE AREAS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING IN THAT EITHER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SEVEN PILLARS THAT WE'VE CARVED OUT FROM PRODUCTION TO PRESERVATION, TO EDUCATION.

I DON'T HAVE THEM ALL MEMORIZED.

WHAT I ENVISION IS THAT WE'LL BE IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT HAVE PRODUCTION NEEDS.

WE'LL BE IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT HAVE PRESERVATION NEEDS.

WE'LL BE IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO ALIGN WITH THOSE OTHER PILLARS THAT ARE CALLED OUT IN THE POLICY.

WHEN WE BRING ON THE CONSULTANT, THEY'LL BE HELPING US DO SOME GEOGRAPHIC INFORMATION SYSTEM ANALYSIS TO OFFER UP SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR WHERE THESE AREAS SHOULD BE, HOW LARGE THEY SHOULD BE, WHAT NEEDS THEY SHOULD HAVE.

I EXPECT THEM TO EXPAND BEYOND JUST HOUSING.

BUT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU, MUCH LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND ANTI-DISPLACEMENT AREAS, WE'LL BRING BACK TO YOU SOME OPTIONS AND GIVE YOU SOME AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT THOSE AREAS ARE.

>> WOULD IT BE FAIR THAT STAFF RIGHT NOW, THE AREAS THAT YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY.

YES, SOME TYPE OF IDEALS, WHAT WOULD BE THE MAKEUP OF THOSE AREAS AND WHAT WE NEED? IS THERE A NORTH STAR? IS THERE A GUIDELINE? IS THERE A MOUTH THAT WHICH YOU HAVE FOCUSED ON THAT BECAUSE I LIKE THE POLICY.

BUT WHEN YOU SAYING THIS IS A NEW POLICY, LIKE WE STORE THEM ALL BACK OVER TO CHAIN.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO DEVELOP THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU STILL TRYING TO ADD LAYER ON THE FOUNDATION GOING FORWARD.

I'M LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS A NEW POLICY, WE GOT TO GET A TASK FORCE AND YOU GOT TO DO IMPLEMENTATION, WHEN DO THIS GOAL FIT? IS WE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD OR 12 MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD? HOW ARE WE GOING TO IDENTIFY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, HEY, I STILL HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS WE TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.

DO THEY INTERFERE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN? DO THEY INTERFERE WITH FORWARDDALLAS? WERE THEY TRYING TO DO FORWARDDALLAS? WE ENDED THE FORWARDDALLAS YET.

HOW DO THAT CONNECT IT TO FORWARDDALLAS AND THEN ALL OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS GOT RIGHT? NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING A CITYWIDE PLAN.

BUT HOW DO THEY ENGAGE? I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS AND THE TIMELINE DOWN THE ROAD.

>> THE FIRST THING THAT WE EXPECT TO DO AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE HOUSING POLICY IS TO BRING FORWARD A CONTRACT ON IMPLEMENTATION.

WE EXPECT IMPLEMENTATION TO TAKE ABOUT 12 MONTHS.

IT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYTHING'S GOING TO WAIT 12 MONTHS TO START.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS AROUND HOW WE COORDINATE EFFORTS.

ONE OF THE KEY PILLARS IN THE POLICY IS COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION.

WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO YOU AGREEMENTS BASED ON COORDINATION EFFORTS THAT WE SEE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS,

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WHETHER IT'D BE A FORWARDDALLAS, OR WHETHER IT'D BE AN INFRASTRUCTURE DEPARTMENT AROUND WORK THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE PLANNED SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HOW THEIR EFFORTS ARE TYING IN WITH PROPOSED HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS OR SITES THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TO MAKE FURTHER INVESTMENTS.

ONE OF THE NICE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT'S COMING OUT OF THIS POLICY IS THAT COLLABORATIVE EFFORT ACROSS DEPARTMENT.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE POLICY BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER.

>> BY SAYING THAT AND WHEN YOU SAID DISTRICT LEVEL, HOW YOU DEFINE THAT?

>> I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

>> YOU SAID DISTRICT. YOU SAY YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS POLICY BY DISTRICT.

YOU MENTIONED THAT EARLIER, DISTRICT LEVEL.

>> I THINK CHAIRMAN THOMAS MENTIONED IN ALL 14 DISTRICT APPROACH.

>> NOW 14 DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT.

HOW DO YOU MANAGE IT AND SAY, HEY, THIS DISTRICT DIFFERENT THAN THIS DISTRICT, THIS DISTRICT IS MORE COMPACT, THIS MORE RURAL AREA.

I STILL GOT MY NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS OUT THERE.

THEN THIS IS HOW MY HOUSE THAT GOING TO BE IN.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND HOW YOU GOT 14 DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

>>YOU'RE RIGHT. EVERY DISTRICT DOES HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS.

I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE TARGET AREAS THAT ARE SELECTED WILL NOT ALL BE THE SAME.

THEY WON'T ALL HAVE THE SAME NEEDS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME TARGET AREAS, THEY MAY BE ESTABLISHED COMMUNITIES THAT NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IN OTHER TARGET AREAS, THERE MAY BE GREEN SPACE THAT NEEDS NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE.

IT WON'T BE A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL APPROACH.

IT WILL BE CUSTOMIZED TO WHAT THE RESIDENTS, THE STAKEHOLDERS, THE COUNCIL ARE TELLING US IS NEEDED IN THOSE AREAS.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

HOW DO THIS POLICY TIE IN TO THE HOUSE AND POLICY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY, AND WE HAVE NOT FINISHED THE FORWARD DOLLAR POLICY? HOW DO ALL OF THESE TIE IN AND BECAUSE EVEN IN DEVELOP COOPERATION WE SAID THAT IS GOT ALL BE TIED IN TOGETHER.

WE DOING THIS POLICY HERE AND WE GOT THROUGH DOING THE FORWARDDALLAS POLICY AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DOING.

ARE THEY WORKING WITH FORWARDDALLAS TO MAKE SURE THEY TIED IN TOGETHER SO WE'VE GOT A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.

THEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DISTRICT.

I SEE A WHOLE LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE, BUT I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE HOW DO ALL THESE PART TIED IN BECAUSE ALL THESE POLICY IS NOT COMPLETE.

TO ME LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE FOUNDATION AND WE ADD IT TO THE FOUNDATION WILL ADD AMENDMENT DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THE TASK FORCE COMING THERE, WHEN YOU HIRE A CONSULTANT.

YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE ADDING DOWN THE ROAD.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW OUR FRONT.

THIS POLICY IS NOT A POLICY COMPLETE.

ITS A WORKING POLICY AND PROCESS WHICH YOU GOT TO COMBINE WITH FORWARDDALLAS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRANSPORTATION.

IT ALL GOT TO WORK TOGETHER WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DISTRICT.

IT'S NOT A CITYWIDE EVERYTHING GOING BE A COOKIE CUTTER DEAL.

IT'S NOT. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET THE PROCESS AND THE PROCEDURE HOW DOES GO FORWARD? BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID THEY'RE GOING TO BE A YEAR DOING A STUDY, DOING THE EVALUATION IMPLEMENTATION.

YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT THE TC LOOK LIKE YOU.

>> LET ME TAKE ONE MORE SHOT.

PILLAR NUMBER 5 IN THE POLICY SPEAKS TO COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION.

HOW DO YOU COLLABORATE AND COORDINATE? WELL, WHAT IT ADDRESSES ARE THESE AGREEMENTS.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT FORWARDDALLAS WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AGREEMENTS THAT WE DEVISE WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS TO LOOK AT WHERE DO WE HAVE OVERLAP, WHERE CAN WE COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS? THEN WE'LL BRING THAT TO YOU.

YES, THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION POLICY OR A PLAN, THERE'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY.

THIS COUNCIL HAS ADOPTED MANY DIFFERENT POLICIES AND PLANS.

TO CONNECT THEM TOGETHER, WHAT YOU'LL SEE ARE US BRINGING FORWARD

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PROPOSED AGREEMENTS ON WHERE WE SEE THOSE CONNECTIONS HAPPENING.

>> LAST QUESTION. WHERE YOU JUST MADE A STATEMENT.

I WILL LOOK WHO WOULD BE THE GLUE, THE CONTENT OF THE BRAIN ALL OF THAT TO GO.

WHAT DEPARTMENT, WHO WOULD BE TO BRING ALL THOSE DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER?

>> THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT AND THE CONSULTANT WILL BE WORKING WITH US ACROSS DEPARTMENTS TO BRING BACK THE TOP 10 AGREEMENTS IN THE FIRST YEAR.

>> QUICKLY, WHO IS THAT DEPARTMENT? WHO IS THAT PERSON? WE DON'T HAVE THAT PERSON OR THE DEPARTMENT NOW.

FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FORWARDDALLAS TO DO TO MAKE SURE THEY ALL MATCH UP.

>> THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE CONSULTANT TO WORK BEYOND OUR DEPARTMENT, TO COMPARE, TO CONTRAST, TO OFFER RECOMMENDATIONS FOR US TO SIT DOWN WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND TO LOOK AT THAT ALIGNMENT.

WHERE DO WE FIT?

>> THAT CONSULT IS IN THE RFP.

>> THAT YES. THAT'LL BE PART OF THE CONTRACT THAT'S COMING NEXT MONTH.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL ADKINS.

CITY MANAGER, DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN BEFORE WE GO TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> NO. I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

HE'S DISTILLED I THINK THE NECESSARY COORDINATION THAT I CAN ASSURE COUNCIL ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE PLANS THAT ARE EITHER IN PRODUCTION AND/OR SETTLED.

EACH NEW PLAN BUILDS ON THE NEXT.

I THINK THE COUNCIL'S REQUESTED THAT OF US WHEN WE'VE HAD PLANS THAT ARE NOT FINISHED, THAT WE DON'T NEED TO STOP AND WAIT FOR ANOTHER ONE TO BE RESOLVED BEFORE WE ADOPT OTHERS.

BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE AND THE POLICIES THAT YOU'VE SET FOR STAFF HAS A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THIS COUNCIL WANTS US TO BE, WANTS THE CITY TO BE, WANTS THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE WITHIN THEM.

AGAIN, I THINK THEY COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER.

BUT I KNOW THE COUNCIL IS ALWAYS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SILO EFFECT AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CONSULTANT, AS WELL AS MYSELF AND THE DEPARTMENTS NOW RECOGNIZE.

WE'VE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF RECOGNIZING THINGS OUTSIDE OF OUR OWN LANE.

THINK DAVIE DID AN ADMIRABLE JOB RESPONDING TO COUNCIL MEMBER.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVID NOGUERA.

AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL WOMAN MENDELSON IS RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> ALL RIGHT. Y'ALL READY? [LAUGHTER] FIRST I JUST WANT TO SAY FOR ITEM 12.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CATALOG.

IT WASN'T ALWAYS GOING TO BE CALLED A CATALOG, I DON T THINK, BUT IT IS SOMETHING I'VE ASKED FOR FOR A LONG TIME AND I LOVE THAT ALL THE PROGRAMS AND INFORMATION ARE IN THE SAME PLACE, AND SO GREAT JOB. MUST START WITH THAT.

SECOND I THINK IS PRETTY CLEAR I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH THIS PROGRAM POLICY ALL THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT.

WHETHER THAT'S AT HOUSING COMMITTEE MEETINGS OR OFFLINE WITH YOU SHARING MY CONCERNS.

I'M JUST GOING TO LAY THEM ALL OUT AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S SOME CRAZINESS OF SAYING THAT HAVING 2,065 PEOPLE IS A WIN.

HAVING ENGAGED 2,065 PEOPLE, WHICH INCLUDES INTERVIEWS LIKE WITH COUNCIL, CONSULTATIONS WITH STAFF, FOCUS GROUPS AND IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

THAT'S INSUFFICIENT IN MY MIND.

THIS IS A MAJOR POLICY THAT YOU'RE LOOKING 10 YEARS OUT TO HAVE HAD JUST OVER 2,000, AND AGAIN, THAT INCLUDES TRADE GROUPS, THAT INCLUDES MEETINGS WITH US AND MEETINGS WITH STAFF.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THE WORK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE WITH THE COMMUNITY.

I ATTENDED IN-PERSON AND VIRTUALLY, AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, NOT MUCH ATTENDANCE.

EVEN WHEN THE ROOM WAS FULL, IT WAS A LOT OF CITY STAFF.

IT WAS A LOT OF HOMELESS HOUSING ADVOCATES, PEOPLE WHO SOMETIMES DON'T LIVE IN OUR CITY.

IT WAS NOT A LOT OF THE EVERYDAY RESIDENTS, AND WE'VE MISSED THAT.

IF WE SAY WE HAVE 1.3 MILLION PEOPLE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WITH 2,000? DO WE REALIZE THAT IT'S 0.16% THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TALKED TO AND THAT INCLUDES WITH THE STAFF AND THE TRADE GROUPS.

I REALLY THINK THAT WE NEED TO SAY WHEN WE HAVE THESE BIG POLICY DISCUSSIONS, THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE GONE OUT AND TALKED TO THE EVERYDAY CITIZEN, NOT THE HOUSING GURU, NOT THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO BE A HOUSING PERSON, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE ATTENDANCE AND ENGAGEMENT.

THAT MEANS WE'VE DONE A BROAD SWEEP OF OUR POPULATION.

HAVING 7,000 IMPRESSIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA IS NOTHING.

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THAT'S REALLY NOTHING.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I THINK WE SHOULD SET A CITY STANDARD BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY HAD THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER.

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF FOUR, I THINK, VIRTUAL MEETINGS, BUT THEY CAME IN SAYING THEY DID THIS ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

NO, THEY DID A ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH TRADE GROUPS AND WITH INDUSTRY.

BUT THE COMMUNITY REALLY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE VOTING ON IT UNTIL WE VOTED ON IT.

PERHAPS WE NEED TO SAY, THIS IS THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT WE EXPECT, WHETHER IT'S IN-PERSON OR VIRTUAL.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY FOR GPFM COMMITTEE, I'M GOING TO PUT THIS AS AN AGENDA ITEM FOR US TO DISCUSS THAT PERHAPS WE SET A POLICY THAT SAYS, BEFORE WE CAN HAVE A POLICY, THIS MANY PEOPLE MUST HAVE BEEN ENGAGED.

THAT'S MY FIRST ITEM.

SECOND IS, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE SUPPORTING DATA IN THIS PLAN BASICALLY TELLS US THE SAME INFORMATION WE KNEW BEFORE I WAS EVER EVEN ELECTED, AND IT'S THE INFORMATION THAT THE ANTI-POVERTY COALITION SHARED.

THESE ARE ALL SYMPTOMS OF POVERTY.

WHEN WE LOOK AT THE RACIAL DISPARITY OF HOME OWNERSHIP, THIS IS A SYMPTOM OF POVERTY AND THE FOCUS HAS NOT BEEN AT THIS COUNCIL ON ADDRESSING POVERTY ISSUES.

IT'S SOLELY ON EXACERBATING RACIAL ISSUES, IN MY OPINION.

ON PAGE 4, YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE THE PRESERVATION OF NATURALLY OCCURRING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND AGING HIGH-TECH.

I WILL JUST SAY THAT, ALL OF THE MEETINGS I WAS AT, ALL THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO IN THE COMMUNITY, I HAVE NEVER ONCE HEARD SOMEBODY SAY, GOSH, I REALLY WISH WE COULD PRIORITIZE SAVING MARKET RATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR AGING LIGHT TECH.

WHAT I HEAR OVER AND OVER IS PEOPLE WANT TO OWN A HOME.

THAT AMERICAN DREAM IS STILL ALIVE.

THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME WITH THE LARGER SIZE LOTS THAT WE REQUIRE OR THE LARGER SIZE HOMES WE REQUIRE.

WHAT I'M NOT HEARING IS THAT ROBUST CONVERSATION THAT SAYS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE HOUSING MORE AFFORDABLE BY CHANGING PERHAPS HOW WE DEVELOP IT, INCLUDING LOT SIZE AND HOME SIZE? NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO LIVE IN MULTI-FAMILY.

I THINK THAT WHEN I HAVE SEEN THROUGH THIS PLAN OVER AND OVER, IT IS PRIORITIZING MULTI-FAMILY OVER THE SINGLE-FAMILY.

I RECOGNIZE MY TIME IS UP.

>> I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER ITEMS FOR THE NEXT ROUND. THANK YOU.

>> YOUR TIME IS UP.

>> YOUR TIME IS UP.

AT THIS TIME RECOGNIZING COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS IN THIS ROUND.

>> YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M GOING TO CHANNEL A MAYOR PRO TEM WITH THIS SAYING, THERE'S A SAYING, YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT EVERYONE WHO CHOSE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WAS NOT AWARE THAT THIS PROCESS WAS TAKING PLACE.

AT OUR COMMITTEE MEETING, I DIRECTED THE CONSULTANTS AND WE TO ENGAGE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER WHETHER THEY WERE ON THE COMMITTEE OR NOT, AND FOR THEM TO TALK WITH THEM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE AS IT RELATES TO THE POLICY, AND IF THERE WAS ANYONE THAT WAS IN THEIR DISTRICT THAT THEY NEEDED TO GO IN AND MEET WITH.

IN MANY CASES, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW IT FOR A FACT, WHO DID NOT MAKE THEIR CALENDAR AVAILABLE, THEY MAKE THEMSELVES AVAILABLE TO GET FEEDBACK AND INPUT.

IT'S EASY TO SAY WHAT DID NOT TAKE PLACE WHEN YOU DID NOT HAVE TO COME MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION.

I VOWED FOR THE CONSULTANTS AND THE LEVEL OF OUTREACH THAT THEY DID.

I MET WITH THEM AND YOU ON A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING EARLY IN THE PROCESS BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING WAS HELD.

I SPECIFICALLY ASKED AND I SAW IN THE FLYERS, THEY CAME OUT AFTERWARDS, AND SAID MAKE SURE IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING IN A COUNCIL MEMBER'S DISTRICT WHERE WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND WE GOT OUR CONSULTANT ON THE PHONE AS WELL.

MAKE SURE YOU LET THE COUNCIL MEMBER KNOW THAT THESE ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN THEIR DISTRICT OR YOU COORDINATE WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER IN ORDER TO HAVE THESE MEETINGS.

IN TERMS OF ENGAGEMENT, ONCE AGAIN,

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YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE HIM DRINK.

WE CAN FILL UP THIS CHAMBER WITH A VARIETY OF TOPICS, BUT THEN WE CAN DISCUSS OTHER THINGS AND NO ONE SHOWS UP.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THE DISCUSSION WAS TAKING PLACE, THEY DIDN'T SEE IT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO MAKE THEIR VOICE HEARD.

THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS THE FACT THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN AWARE OF IT, BUT THEY HAD NO ISSUES.

I'VE HAD NUMEROUS COMMUNITY MEETINGS WHEN I ASK PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T THERE, WHY DIDN'T YOU COME AND THEY SAY, WELL, I'M IN SUPPORT OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO, SO WHY WAS IT NECESSARY FOR ME TO SHOW UP? I WOULDN'T BE SO CONCERNED WITH THE LACK OF ENGAGEMENT THAT TOOK PLACE, I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED WITH THOSE WHO MAY HAVE FELT LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS AND MADE THOSE CONCERNS KNOWN.

I THINK WE'RE IN THE PROCESS.

THIS WAS A GOOD MODEL, BUT WE'RE IN A PROCESS THROUGH THE WORKFORCE EDUCATION EQUITY COMMITTEE OF DEVELOPING A STRATEGY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TWO COMMITTEES WORKING ON SOMETHING WHEN ONE COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY TAKEN THE LEAD ON DEVELOPING WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

ONCE THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE LOOKS AT WHAT THAT PROCESS IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS DEFINED AS AND COMES TO AN AGREEMENT THAT YES, WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO STAFF AND THE CITY MANAGER THAT THIS IS THE WAY WE SHOULD GO WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THERE'S NOT A NEED TO PUT A MINIMUM NUMBER WHEN WE'VE DEVELOPED A PROCESS THAT WE'VE ALL AGREED TO OR WHAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SHOULD LOOK LIKE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AT THAT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I MOVE TO CALL THE QUESTION.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> THERE'S NO DEBATE ON THIS ITEM.

ATTORNEY PALOMINO, DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL A VOTE, PLEASE.

>> ANY CLARIFICATION NEEDED AND WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE? CITY SECRETARY LET'S VOTE.

RECORD VOTE HAS BEEN REQUESTED.

IT'S BEEN GRANTED. WE'RE PREPARED TO VOTE.

>> PLEASE START VOTING.

>> ELEVEN HAVE VOTED.

THIRTEEN HAVE VOTED.

FOURTEEN HAVE VOTED.

>> VOTING IN FAVOR: COUNCIL MEMBERS BAZALDUA, MCGOUGH, THOMAS, WEST, MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIS, MORENO, AND BLACKMON.

VOTING AGAINST COUNCILMEMBER MENDELSON, RESENDEZ, SCHULTZ, NARVAEZ, RIDLEY, AND ATKINS.

WITH EIGHT VOTING IN FAVOR, SIX OPPOSED, MAYOR IS ABSENT.

IT FAILS BECAUSE [OVERLAPPING] IT REQUIRED TWO-THIRDS VOTE, WHICH IS 10 MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

>> WAIT FOR THE QUEUE TO CLEAR UP.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, I SHOULD SAY, COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSON IS IN THE QUEUE.

>> WELL, THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S INTERESTING TO NOTE WHEN IT'S TOO DANGEROUS TO EVEN HEAR WHAT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION HAS TO SAY.

>> COUNCILWOMAN, COULD YOU PRESENT YOUR QUESTION OR DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME RELEVANT TO THE AGENDA ITEM.

>> DO I MEET WITH YOU OR THE CONSULTANTS ABOUT THIS PLAN?

>> YES. WE DID MEET.

>> THANK YOU. I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ SAID.

IF RESIDENTS SAY THEY DON'T WANT SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS ADVOCATING FOR, WILL IT HAPPEN OR WILL YOU PULL IT? IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOESN'T WANT SOMETHING, WILL THEIR INPUT SAYING THEY DON'T WANT IT MATTER.

>> I THINK THAT'S ONE PIECE OF THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.

BUT ULTIMATELY, PROJECTS THAT MOVE FORWARD ARE THOSE THAT THE COUNCIL ADOPTS.

>> ON PAGE 14, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF IMPLEMENTATION FOR 2033.

THAT'S THE CORRECT DATE, RIGHT?

>> YES. IT'S A 10-YEAR POLICY.

>> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A 10 PERCENT INCREASE IN RENTAL AND A FIVE PERCENT IN OWNERSHIP AND YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE CITIZENRY OF DALLAS AS THE PRIORITY, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> NO. THE NUMBERS THAT ARE OFFERED ARE BASED ON WHAT OUR STAFF THOUGHT WAS ACHIEVABLE.

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>> WELL, I THINK THESE NUMBERS ARE AT A MINIMUM REVERSED, AND I CANNOT ACCEPT THOSE NUMBERS.

AGAIN, FOR PAGE 16, YOU HAVE 10 PERCENT FOR RENTAL PRESERVATION AND FIVE PERCENT FOR OWNERSHIP PRESERVATION.

I BELIEVE THAT IS REVERSED AND SHOULD BE REVERSED.

ON PAGE 22, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND WE ALREADY HAVE RESOURCES.

THE COUNCIL MEMBER DOES OUTREACH THEIR COMMUNITY, EACH HAVE THREE STAFF MEMBERS NOW.

WE HAVE A HOUSING DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE A COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, AND SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL PEOPLE TO DO COMMUNITY OUTREACH?

>> I AM.

>> ADDITIONAL STAFF?

>> I AM.

>> HOUSING ACTIVITIES THAT REFLECT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

THE PEOPLE HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID SINGLE-FAMILY IN THIS REPORT SEEMS TO HAVE A MULTI-FAMILY BIAS.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S TRUE?

>> TO BE HONEST, NO.

[OVERLAPPING] THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO.

SECONDLY, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I AT LEAST CLEAR THE AIR A LITTLE BIT ON NOT THE LINE OF QUESTIONING.

I THINK THE INTENT OF THE POLICY, I THINK THIS COUNCIL'S POLICY, AND THE STATEMENTS THAT I OFTEN HEAR, PARTICULARLY AROUND TRYING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND I THINK THIS PARTICULAR POLICY TRIES TO DO A BALANCE AND IT HAS MEASURED APPROACHES TO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BUILD INTO IT BOTH SINGLE-FAMILY AND MULTI-FAMILY, PARTICULARLY IN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN SATURATED WITH SINGLE-FAMILY, I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE BROADER ISSUES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A POLICY, I THINK AGAIN, AS WE'RE TALKING AND LASERING IN ON THIS POLICY, IT HAS BEEN HISTORIC POLICIES IN THE PAST THAT HAVE NOT ALLOWED FOR SINGLE-FAMILY.

I'M SORRY, SINGLE-FAMILY AS WELL AS MULTI-FAMILY IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES.

HEAVILY IN HEAVY DOSES OF MULTI-FAMILY HAVE BEEN PUT IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS.

THERE HAS BEEN AN OVERLOAD OF SINGLE-FAMILY AND WEALTH-BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES IN THE NORTHERN PARTS OF OUR CITIES, AND PUDS, AND ZONED-OUT AN EXCLUSIONARY ZONING THAT HAS HAPPENED THAT IS PREVENTING MULTI-FAMILY FROM BEING IN OUR NORTHERN PART OF OUR CITY IN SOME CASES.

AGAIN, IT'S A LITTLE RICH AND BAFFLING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR AFFORDABILITY AND ACTUALLY EVEN PROPOSE SHRINKING LOT SIZES TO PRODUCE IT AND THEN SAY THAT THE POLICY THAT WE'RE ADOPTING HAS A BIAS AGAINST MULTI-FAMILY.

AGAIN, I THINK THE CITY ON BALANCE NEEDS TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.

>> I SAID THE REVERSE. I'M SORRY.

>> WELL, AGAIN, WHEN YOU SAY IT AND DON'T CORRECT IT, AND THEN I HAVE TO MAKE THE STATEMENT TO CORRECT IT, I THINK THAT'S CONCERNING WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICY THAT I THINK WE'VE ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PLACES THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHETHER SINGLE-FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY, AND I THINK THIS POLICY SETS OUR GOALS TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY AREAS WHERE THAT IS MOST APPROPRIATE.

WE WILL BALANCE WHETHER THAT'S SINGLE-FAMILY, DETACHED, OR ATTACHED MULTIFAMILY, WHERE THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPER ZONING BACK TO FORWARD DALLAS EXISTS FOR US TO DO IT.

WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH COMMUNITIES TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE A BALANCE.

BUT WE CAN'T KEEP SAYING WE NEED MORE AFFORDABILITY AND KEEP AGREEING TO IN SOME CASES WHEN CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS DON'T WANT MULTI-FAMILY AROUND THEM OR IN THEM, JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS COUNCIL HAS SAID THROUGHOUT ALL OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND MULTI-FAMILY IS FINE UNTIL IT SHOWS UP IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'VE GOT TO GET PAST THAT AS A COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS POLICY WILL HELP US DO THAT.

THE SIX-MONTH REPORTING WILL ACTUALLY HELP US PUT A GAUGE ON HOW CREATIVE AND HOW WILLING WE ARE TO DO AND LIVE BY WHAT WE SAY WE WANT AS A COUNCIL.

BUT YOU CAN ASK STAFF TO PREPARE A POLICY AND PRODUCTION GOALS AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TIME TO ACTUALLY TRYING TO PLACE THOSE THINGS ON THE GROUND, WE GET THE OPPOSITION THAT WE OFTEN GET, WHETHER FROM THE COMMUNITY OR IN SOME CASES THIS BODY OR CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE WORKING HARD TO TRY TO MEET YOUR GOALS AND THE GOALS CAN'T KEEP CHANGING BASED ON WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, BUT I THINK TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOALS AND ASPIRATIONS AND WE'RE SITTING HERE AGAIN TALKING ABOUT DETAILS OF THREE, OR FOUR, OR FIVE OF THESE THINGS, OR ENGAGEMENT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE AND GIVE VOICE TO THINGS.

WE'RE LUCKY IF WE GET TWO TO 3,000 PEOPLE TO COME OUT AND COMMUNICATE ON ANY PLAN OR POLICY WE HAVE.

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IN SOME CASES, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT AND WE ADOPT CERTAIN POLICIES AROUND HERE OR WANT TO GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.

AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE UNFAIR TO DAVID AND HIS TEAM BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON 10 YEARS OUT, WE'LL REPORT OUT THROUGHOUT THIS TIME.

IT'S ABYSMAL THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABILITY THAT IS EXISTING IN CERTAIN COMMUNITIES, EVEN IN COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE INCOMES, THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO EVEN QUALIFY FOR SOME OF OUR LOW-INCOME TAX CREDIT PROJECTS, ARE CONCERNED AND DON'T WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I GET IT, BUT THE REALITY IS THIS IS A DIFFICULT ISSUE AND WE'RE TRYING THROUGH THIS POLICY AND I'M HOPING THE COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT IT TODAY AND NOT TEAR IT DOWN AS IT RELATES TO THE CONSTRUCT OF IT AND THE ENGAGEMENT AND THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN IT. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, BUT I WILL OBJECT TO THE MISCHARACTERIZATION THAT YOU HAVE MADE OF FAR NORTH DALLAS, WHERE IT IS 35 PERCENT SINGLE-FAMILY.

THERE'S PLENTY OF MULTI-FAMILY.

OTHER COLLEAGUES AROUND HERE IN FAR NORTH DALLAS OR IN NORTH DALLAS ALSO HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF MULTI-FAMILY, SO WHEN WE TELL YOU WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO HAVE MORE, THERE'S A REASON.

FRANKLY, I'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS POLICY AND THE THINGS THAT I'VE OFFERED ARE NOT INCLUDED IN HERE.

IT'S PERFECTLY FAIR FOR ME TO CRITICIZE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN CRITICIZING AND HAVEN'T BEEN CHANGED AND I'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO BECAUSE WE CAN DO BETTER.

THIS ENTIRE PLAN DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT MASTER PLANNING OUT SOUTHERN DALLAS.

THE TRUTH IS WE HAVE AN UNPRECEDENTED OPPORTUNITY IN THIS NATION OF UNDEVELOPED LAND THAT COULD BECOME EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE DREAMS OF AND YET THIS IS REALLY NOT THE FOCUS.

INSTEAD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BATTLE OVER ONE LITTLE UNIT HERE OR ONE LITTLE UNIT THERE AND THAT'S RIDICULOUS WHEN WE HAVE SO MUCH IN FRONT OF US, AND AGAIN, WE'VE TAKEN THE EYE OFF THE BALL SO THAT WE CAN APPEASE POLITICAL NEEDS.

I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

>> THAT'S WHAT SHE SAYS ON EVERYTHING.

>> COUNCIL MEMBERS, LET US REMEMBER.

>> EXCUSE ME, YOU'RE BEING VERY RUDE TO ME.

>> CALL THE QUESTION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO OBJECT TO THE WAY I'M BEING TREATED HERE.

>> POINT OF ORDER HAS BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED.

>> POINT OF ORDER.

>> CALL THE QUESTION.

>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THE QUESTION. EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN NOW.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT DURING MY TIME.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER, WOULD YOU PLEASE ALLOW US TO HANDLE THE BUSINESS IN TERMS OF DECORUM OF THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL?

>> CHAIR, I WAS BEING INTERRUPTED.

>> COUNCILWOMAN, WOULD YOU ALLOW ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE OPERATE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION OF QUORUM.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER, AT THIS TIME SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE CITY OF THE BUSINESS, WE MUST DO IT IN A PROFESSIONAL AND CIVIL MANNER.

NOW, AT THIS POINT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH WITH ATTACKS ON INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THEIR STATEMENTS.

ALL OF US UNDERSTAND THE FOCUS AND THE GOALS OF THIS COUNCIL AS IT RELATES TO CIVILITY.

NOW, IN ORDER FOR US TO GET IN PROPER AUDIT, I'M ASKING THE ATTORNEY AT THIS POINT, I COULDN'T CATCH WHICH ITEM CAME UP FIRST.

WAS THE QUESTION WE NEEDED TO FINISH UP ON THE TIME THAT'S ON THE CLOCK.

>> YOU WERE RULING ON THE POINT OF ORDER AND I THINK YOU DID THAT AND THEN I BELIEVE THAT THE CALL THE QUESTION IS OUT OF ORDER WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE WHAT, 23 SECONDS REMAINING ON COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON'S TIME.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR DIRECTOR NEGORA.

>> THANK YOU. FOR APPENDIX C, THE TASK FORCE, I THINK IT'S UNACCEPTABLE TO APPOINT MEMBERS TO THREE-YEAR TERMS, NINE YEARS TO SERVE ON A TASK FORCE.

WE DON'T EVEN SERVE FOR NINE YEARS.

THE SELECTION WOULD BE BY THE CHAIR OF A HOUSING COMMITTEE, EQUITY COMMITTEE, AND STAFF.

AGAIN, I THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS RELATES WHEN WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES.

WE'RE ADDING ANOTHER LAYER OF BUREAUCRACY AND THESE ISSUES NEED TO BE TAKEN DIRECTLY TO THE COMMUNITY NOT THROUGH TASK FORCE. THANK YOU.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER, YOUR TIME IS UP.

YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

DIRECTOR NEGORA, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND, YOU MAY DO THAT.

>> YOU MAY DO THAT QUICKLY.

>> IF I CAN QUICKLY.

>> APPENDIX C IS AN EXAMPLE.

IT'S NOT A PROPOSAL.

IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE THE TASK FORCE MODEL THAT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD.

IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT COULD LOOK TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT A TASK FORCE COULD LOOK LIKE.

WE'LL BRING BACK A PROPOSED STRUCTURE.

>> THANK YOU, DIRECTOR NEGORA.

AT THIS TIME, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TIM NAVARRA AS YOU RECOGNIZE YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES ON THIS ROUND.

>> FIVE. I HAVEN'T HAD A FIRST ROUND.

>> SORRY. YOU WANT TO CORRECT HIS TIME.

[03:05:01]

THANK YOU. YOUR TIME WILL BE CORRECTED AND RECLAIMING YOUR TIME.

YES, YOU HAVE TAUGHT ME WELL ON RECLAIMING MY TIME.

I WANTED TO FIRST START OFF BY THANKING TC AND HIS TEAM, DAVID NOGUERA, YOU AND YOUR TEAM. THIS ISN'T EASY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT ITEM IN ANYBODY'S LIFE, WHICH IS SHELTER.

AFTER WE TALK ABOUT AIR AND FOOD AND THOSE NECESSITIES.

BUT THE NEXT NECESSITY IS SHELTER.

WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT WHAT THIS POLICY DOES AND I HEARD THIS EARLIER ABOUT THE GROCERY STORE DURING A PRESS CONFERENCE. I'M GOING TO USE THAT WORD.

THIS IS GIVING HOPE TO PEOPLE.

HOPE THAT THEY WILL BE ALLOWED AND GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE, THAT THEY WORK HARD, PLAY BY THE RULES, MAKE A HOPEFULLY GET A LIVING WAGE AND STILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE EITHER FOR THEIR OWN HEAD, THEIR FAMILIES HEAD OR WHEREVER IT IS.

THAT THEY HAVE A SAFE PLACE THAT THEY CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT.

WE HEAR ABOUT NIMBY VERSUS YIMBY.

I'M PROUD AND DISTRICT SIX THAT I HAVE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT DO COME UP AND NOT EVERYBODY WANTS THEM.

NOW, VERY WE'D LIKE SOME, BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO HAVE YIMBY ATTITUDE WHEN IT COMES TO THEM AND PUTTING IN PLACE THESE AFFORDABLE UNITS BECAUSE WE CARE MORE ABOUT OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEING THAN WE CARE ABOUT DOLLARS.

IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE OVER DOLLARS.

THAT'S WHAT I LOVE ABOUT DISTRICT 6 RESIDENCES THAT WE'RE NOT FIGHTING APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND DENSITY.

WE'RE ACTUALLY OUT THERE TRYING TO MAKE THEM BETTER AND MAKE THEM WORK FOR US.

THIS IS A HARD PLACE FOR US IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE'RE A LANDLOCKED CITY AND WE HAVE VERY FEW PLACES TO GROW IN CERTAIN AREAS.

BY HAVING DIVESTED CERTAIN AREAS, IT MAKES THEM NOT THE PLACE THAT PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY WANT TO GO.

LITERALLY JUST THE OTHER DAY I HAD SOMEBODY THAT I WAS WORKING WITH TELLING ME THAT THEIR PARENTS TOLD THEM NOT TO GO AND WORK IN WEST DALLAS BECAUSE IT WAS A SCARY PLACE TO BE IN DANGEROUS AND ALL THESE THINGS.

I WAS JUST LIKE, WHAT DID YOU RESPOND? THIS PERSON SAID I TOLD MY DAD WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU'VE BEEN TO WEST DALLAS? HIS RESPONSE WAS 25 YEARS AGO.

WEST DALLAS IS A MUCH DIFFERENT PLACE THAN IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO.

I THINK MY GOOD FRIENDS THAT ARE IN SOUTH DALLAS, SOUTHERN DALLAS, OAK CLIFF THE AREAS THAT CERTAIN FOLKS, THE MAIN NIMBY FOLKS LIKE TO SAY IS THEY LIKE TO PUT A LABEL AND A DEFINITION ON SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST UNFAIR THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO AND THAT'S WHAT THIS HOUSING POLICY DOES, IS IT GIVES HOPE TO THOSE FOLKS THAT THIS IS THEIR HOME.

MY FAMILY STARTED IN WEST DALLAS 90 YEARS AGO AND, FAR WEST DALLAS AT HAMMERSLEY AND BERNAL.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WAS A MUCH DIFFERENT WORLD.

I USED TO COME VISIT HERE AS A KID IN THE 90S AND PAVED ROADS, NO SCHOOL, NO SEWAGE, ALL THESE AMENITIES THAT DIDN'T EXIST, NO REC CENTER, NO PARK.

LIVING NEXT TO LANDFILLS.

BUT WE FOUND A PLACE WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT AND NOW YOU SHOULD SEE LEAD BETTER EAGLE FORD IS ONE OF THE MOST VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS IN FAR WEST DALLAS.

WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

I'M DAVID I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT WE DO NEED THAT.

I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF REPRESENTING THE CITY AND OTHER CITIES AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ENTITIES.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THEIR PROGRAMS, WHETHER IT'S HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, WHEN IT COMES TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE THESE TEAMS OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS.

WHAT I LOVE ABOUT IT IS IT DOESN'T BECOME POLITICAL BECAUSE IT'S TRUSTED INDIVIDUALS THAT AREN'T PUSHING A POLITICAL AGENDA.

THEY'RE PUSHING WHAT THE FOLKS NEED AND BRING HIM BACK TO THE CITY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT.

I'M BIG FAVOR OF THIS AND GLAD THAT THIS GOT PUT IN THERE.

I'M GOING TO CLOSE WITH THIS MADAM MAYOR.

VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS ONCE SAID THAT IT TAKES A WHOLE LOT OF ENERGY TO BUILD SOMETHING AND VERY LITTLE ENERGY TO TEAR IT DOWN.

LET'S CONTINUE TO BUILD SOMETHING, COLLEAGUES AND THAT'S ONE DALLAS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NOVARTIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER, [INAUDIBLE] AT THIS TIME.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO CALL THE QUESTION.

>> IS THERE SECOND? THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.

ADAMS RECORD VOTE, PLEASE SECRETARY.

WE'RE READY FOR RECORD VOTE. THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE START VOTING. TEN HAVE VOTED. TWELVE HAVE VOTED.

FOURTEEN HAVE VOTED.

VOTING IN FAVOR COUNCIL MEMBERS SPOUSES DO.

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THOMAS WEST, MAYOR PRO TEM, ARNOLD, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS, SCHULTZ, MORENO, NARVAEZ, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NARVAEZ COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY AND BLACKMON.

VOTING AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBERS MCGOUGH, MENDELSON, RESENDEZ, AND ATKINS.

MAYER JOHNSON IS ABSENT.

WITH 10 VOTING IN FAVOR, FOUR OPPOSED THE MOTION THE CALL PASSES. MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SECRETARY, WE ARE NOW READY FOR THE VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS AMENDED. THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE START VOTING. ELEVEN HAVE VOTED, 12 HAVE VOTED, 14 HAVE VOTED.

VOTING IN FAVOR COUNCIL MEMBERS BAZALDUA, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, WEST, MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD, COUNCIL MEMBERS WILLIS, RESENDEZ, SCHULTZ, MORENO, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NARVAEZ, COUNCIL MEMBERS RIDLEY, BLACKMON, AND ATKINS.

VOTING AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBERS, MCGOUGH AND COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.

MAYOR JOHNSON, ABSENT.

VOTE TAKEN WITH 12 VOTING IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED.

THE ITEM PASSES. MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. NEXT ITEM, PLEASE.

>> WE'LL NOW MOVE TO YOUR SECOND PULLS CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 39.

[39. An ordinance amending Chapter 57, “Dallas One-and Two-Family Dwelling Code,” of the Dallas City Code, as amended; (1) adopting with certain changes the 2021 Edition of the International Residential Code of the International Code Council, Inc.; (2) regulating the construction, enlargement, alteration, repair, demolition, use, and maintenance of construction, plumbing, mechanical, and electrical work in the city on one- and two-family dwellings; (3) providing a penalty not to exceed $2,000.00; (4) providing a saving clause; (5) providing a severability clause; and (6) providing an effective date - Financing: No cost consideration to the City (see Fiscal Information)]

JIN ITEM 39 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 57 DALLAS 1 AND 2, FAMILY DWELLING CODE OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE BY AMENDED OR AMENDING ONE, ADOPTING WHAT CERTAIN CHANGES THE 2021 EDITION OF THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE OF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE COUNCIL INC TO REGULATING THE CONSTRUCTION ENLARGEMENT, ALTERATION, REPAIR, DEMOLITION, USE, AND MAINTENANCE OF CONSTRUCTION, PLUMBING, MECHANICAL AND ELECTRICAL WORK IN THE CITY.

ON ONE AND TO FAMILY DWELLINGS, THREE PROVIDING A PENALTY NOT TO EXCEED 2,000 DOLLARS, FOUR PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE, FIVE PROVIDING A SEPARABILITY CLAUSE AND SIX, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST AND IT ALSO HAS ONE SPEAKER THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, DAVID LADY.

IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME, MY APOLOGIES.

YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK AND YOU MAY BEGIN.

I'M SORRY, YOUR MICROPHONE IS OFF.

COULD YOU PRESS THE BUTTON? THERE YOU GO.

I'M DAVID LEHDE, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS FOR THE DALLAS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, RESIDE AT 5816 WEST PLANO PARKWAY.

AS YOU KNOW, WE SERVICE A 10 COUNTY AREA WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS BEING OUR FLAGSHIP CITY.

AS YOU SAW ON OUR LETTER WE HAVE SUBMITTED TO YOU RECENTLY, WE ARE AN ACTIVE VOTING PARTICIPANT IN THE REGIONAL CODES COORDINATING COMMITTEE AT THE NORTH TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.

WITH THE FORTUNE TO GIVE INDICATION OF STAFF, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE CODE UPDATE BEFORE YOU.

I'M HERE TO BE A RESOURCE SPECIFICALLY ON THE PARTICULAR AMENDMENT THAT WE'VE REQUESTED.

THIS WOULD BE CHANGING THE REFERENCES IN SECTION R333.1.1 TO SAY EV-CAPABLE SPACE.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE EV CHARGING TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING RAPIDLY, AND IT IS NOT PRUDENT TO WIRE A HOME FOR TOMORROW'S TECHNOLOGY TODAY, ESPECIALLY WITH CERTAIN ELECTRONIC OR ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS BEING IN VERY SHORT SUPPLY STILL AND CONTINUING TO ELEVATE IN PRICES.

IN MOST CASES AND NEAR-TERM, ESPECIALLY THE SUPPLIES WILL NOT BE USED AND MAY BE WASTED ALL TOGETHER.

WE HAVE A STRONG CONCERN THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON BUILDING HOMES FOR WORKING FAMILIES.

CURRENTLY, THE MEDIAN COST FOR AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS $58,000, WHICH IS ROUGHLY WHAT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN WORKER MAKES IN AN ENTIRE YEAR.

I KNOW THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT COST PASS ON TO A HOMEOWNER.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT IF YOU LEAVE THE LANGUAGE IN AN AMENDED AND REQUIRE THIS, THAT COST WILL BE PASSED ON TO THE HOMEBUYER.

THAT IS HOW IT WORKS GENERALLY WHEN YOU DO CONSTRUCTION.

BUT IF YOU ALSO LEAVE IT IN THERE AND DON'T CHANGE IT, YOU ALSO ENSURE THAT EVERY RESIDENT WHO IS BUYING A HOME, A NEW HOME CONSTRUCTED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, IS PAYING FOR THAT MATERIAL AS WELL REGARDLESS OF THEIR INTENT AND CHOICE OR MEANS TO PURCHASE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE.

AGAIN, I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT, IT IS NOT A MATTER OF IF IT IS A MATTER OF WHEN AND HOW TECHNOLOGY WILL CHANGE IN HOW YOU CHARGE THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE,

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IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO WIRE OUR HOUSE, ESPECIALLY TO A RECEPTACLE OF A JUNCTION BOX.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PREFER TO BUY ELECTRIC VEHICLE BUYING THEM WHERE THE FULL LEVEL ENGAGED INTO THE WALL, THE LEVEL 2 CHARGER, WHICH ACTUALLY DRAWS A LOT OF ENERGY, BUT THAT'S THEIR PREFERENCE.

ADDITIONALLY, OUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TO YOU HAS BEEN UTILIZED ACROSS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SUCCESSFULLY.

THE DOCUMENTS, I THINK WE SENT SPECIFICALLY IN SACRAMENTO.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON OUR REQUESTS AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

MADAM MAYOR, THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

THIS IS YOUR ITEM. SORRY.

[INAUDIBLE] NO.

[OVERLAPPING] I'M SORRY AND COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.

MY APOLOGIES. I DO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

YES, MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE.

SECTION R333.1..1 IS AMENDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS.

ONE AND TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS AND MULTIPLE BUILDING TOWNHOUSES.

THAT'S THE TITLE FOR EACH DWELLING UNIT PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE EV CAPABLE SPACE.

THE SERVICE PANEL OR SUB PANEL CIRCUIT DIRECTORY SHALL IDENTIFY THE SPACES RESERVED TO SUPPORT EV CHARGING AS ''EV CAPABLE.'' THE RACEWAY LOCATION SHALL BE PERMANENTLY INVISIBLY MARKED AS ''EV CAPABLE'' EXCEPTION EV CAPABLE SPACES ARE NOT REQUIRED WHERE NO PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED.

THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MOVED. AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? YES.

YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER WEIS, CONTINUE.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, JUST MY MAIN CONCERN IS I HAD SPOKEN WITH INDUSTRY AND ALSO WITH STAFF ON THIS ITEM WAS THAT IF WE GO WITH AS PROPOSED BY STAFF, THE FULL CONTRACTION WILL BE PLACED INTO EVERY HOME, INCREASING THE COST OF EVERY HOMEOWNER, WHETHER THEY ARE GOING TO BE UTILIZING ELECTRIC VEHICLES OR NOT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT GOAL THAT EVERYONE DRIVES ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S NOT A REALISTIC GOAL RIGHT NOW FOR EVERY HOMEOWNER.

WHEN YOU WEIGH THE BALANCE OF GETTING PEOPLE INTO HOMES FOR THE FIRST TIME ON A LIMITED INCOME VERSUS THE GOAL OF HAVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN EVERY HOME, TO ME GETTING PEOPLE INTO THE HOMES IS THE PRIORITY.

THEN THOSE WHO CAN AFFORD THE EXPENSIVE OF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, I THINK THAT THE ADDITIONAL COST SHOULD BE PUT ON THEM TO COMPLETE WHAT YOU NEED IN ORDER TO CHARGE THE VEHICLE.

I SUPPORT INDUSTRY ON THIS ITEM AND ASK THAT YOU DO SO AS WELL.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WEIS, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK ON THE AMENDMENT.

YES, MA'AM.

SO YOU RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, WANT TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER WEIS AND MENDELSON FOR PULLING THIS? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR ANDREW? HE CAN COME UP, PLEASE.

THIS ONE IS ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE SET TO GOLD.

WE WANT MORE HOMEOWNERSHIP, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MOVE TOWARDS OUR C CAP INITIATIVES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE HOMES EQUIPPED AND BUSINESSES EQUIPPED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ENERGY FOR VEHICLES IN OUR FLEET.

CAN YOU JUST MAYBE TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY YOU GUYS INITIATED THIS GOAL AND HOW IT COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT THE OVERALL MISSION THAT YOU ALL ARE DRIVING.

ANDREW ESPINOSA, DIRECTOR FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

CITY STAFF TAKES THEIR DIRECTIVES FROM THE POLICY BODIES, COMMITTEES.

SO THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, THE GOAL WAS TO PREPARE AND HAVE HOMES READY FOR BASICALLY TURNKEY EV CHARGING STATIONS AND THAT'S A REASON WHY IT WAS PROPOSED THE WAY IT WAS.

THANK YOU.

GET THE BUTTON TO WORK HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU COULD BREAK DOWN, PLEASE THE COST ANALYSIS OF WHAT THIS WOULD BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME VERSUS IF IT WAS PASSED ON TO HOMEOWNERS IN MANY CASES, FIRST-TIME HOMEOWNERS.

COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

WITH ME TODAY I HAVE ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL, DAVID SESSION AND OUR CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR [INAUDIBLE] I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THEM AS IT RELATES TO CAUSE SINCE THEY HAVE MORE EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA AND BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE COSTS WHEN WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL SESSIONS.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. DAVID SESSION ASSISTANT BUILDING OFFICIAL DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

I THINK OUR SALES AND MR. LADY MAY BE USING THE SAME REFERENCE FIGURES.

WHAT REVIEWS USE AS A REFERENCE TO THE CITY OF SACRAMENTO, THE EV CAPABLE HAVE AS THE AVERAGE INSTALLATION COST IS $800.

AVERAGE TOTAL COST IS $800.

NOW I'M TALKING WITH OUR CHIEF ELECTRICAL INSPECTOR, MR. TREY NICK, BEHIND ME, THAT HE HAD SOME IDEAS FOR OUR LOCAL COSTS BECAUSE THE COST THAT WE'VE BEEN USING AS A GOAL BY A BASED ON, AGAIN, CALIFORNIA, SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA COST.

GOVERNOR [INAUDIBLE] CONDITIONAL.

>> TRY NEXT CHEAP LUNCH CONSTRUCTOR SET IT OFF.

THE COST TO ADD ON THE FRONT END WOULD BE, I WOULD SAY ALMOST UNIVERSALLY LOWER THAN DOING IT AT A LATER DATE.

>> IT WILL COST LESS TO HAVE DONE IT.

ESSENTIALLY, WOULD YOU SAY IT'S SAFE TO SAY IT'S ALSO MORE EFFICIENT?

>> ULTIMATELY, YES.

BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT WALLS OPEN, IT'S EASY TO ADD THOSE CABLE SYSTEMS AS OPPOSED TO A METALLIC RACEWAY OR SOMEONE WHO'S LIKE.

>> I'M SORRY, SORRY.

>> SORRY. IT ULTIMATELY, YES, IT IS.

IT IS EASIER ON THE FRONT END TO ADD THAT CABLING SYSTEM IN AN OPEN WALL AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSED, AND YOU'RE ADDING EXTERNAL RACEWAY IS MOUNTED TO SURFACES.

>> CAN SOMEONE SPEAK TO THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT OR INCREASE TO A HOME COST BASED ON AN IMPROVEMENT THAT'S AROUND $800? WHAT'S THAT DOING TO THE SALE COST OF THE HOUSE?

>> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER I'M NOT REALLY SURE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

>> I THINK IT'S BECAUSE IT'S VERY MINIMAL, AND THAT'S MY POINT AND WHEN DOING COMPS AND LOOKING AT VALUATIONS OF PROPERTIES NEXT TO YOU, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE A MORE VALUABLE PROPERTY?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER AGAIN, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION, THE OVERALL COST FROM WHAT WE'VE ASSESSED AND HAD DISCUSSIONS AS MR. SESSIONS MENTIONED, WAS $800, AND I'VE HEARD AS HIGH AS 12 TO $1,500 ON THE FRONT END.

THAT WOULD BE THE COST THAT THE CONSUMER WOULD HAVE TO ABSORB.

>> I GUESS WHAT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH COLLEAGUES IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE HERE THAT IS ULTIMATELY GOING TO BE PASSED TO THE CONSUMER NO MATTER WHAT, WHETHER IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE CCAP GOALS FOR AND EVERY OTHER MAJOR CITY IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS CLIMATE ACTION PLAN HAS.

POLICIES LIKE THIS PUT IN PLACE, THEY HAVE CODES HAVE BEEN AMENDED. IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> YES, SIR.

>> IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 800 TO $1,000 IMPROVEMENT ON THE BUILDERS.

IF THEY CHOSE TO MAKE THE CONSUMER FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE UP TO THAT.

IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ANYMORE.

HOWEVER, IF WE ARE GOING TO IGNORE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THIS INTO CODE AND PUT IT SOLELY ON THE CONSUMER, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THAT IT'S GOING TO COST HOMEOWNERS MORE TO DO THAT ON THE LATER END.

IF WE ARE MAKING GOALS TO CONVERT OUR FLEET, IF WE ARE MAKING GOALS TO ENCOURAGE OUR BIG COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, TO HAVE THESE ASSETS AVAILABLE AS RESOURCES.

WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND LOWER OUR EMISSIONS, AS OUR CCAP HAS LAID OUT AS A GOAL, I SEE THIS AS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I ALSO SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT COULD LATER BE AMENDED IF TECHNOLOGY IS SOMETHING THAT BECOMES OBSOLETE.

BUT IF WE ARE TO MAKE A DECISION NOW THAT IS MORE FAVORABLE TO BUILDERS AND NOT POTENTIAL HOMEOWNERS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO HELP PROMOTE HOME OWNERSHIP, I THINK THAT WE'RE MISSING THE MARK HERE.

IF BUILDERS BUSINESS MODEL WOULD LIKE TO PASS THAT ON AS AN EXPENSE TO THE CONSUMER, THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE, AND THEN THIS MARKET.

BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW TO HAVE INCONSISTENCY FROM ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT OF ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME TYPE OF INCENTIVE WITH IT.

THIS IS A NEW REQUIREMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE DONE THERE AS WELL.

I DON'T SEE THIS AS A PROBLEM WITH JUST HAVING THE CAPABILITY.

I MEAN, THE READINESS, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE AN EXPENSE TO OUTFIT WHATEVER PARTICULAR ELECTRIC VEHICLE THEY HAVE, ETC.

BUT ALL THIS IS REQUIRING IS THAT THERE'S THE RIGHT ELECTRICITY THAT IS WIRED WHEN THE HOUSE IS CONSTRUCTED, CORRECT?

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SO THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF PUTTING IN A 220.

>>THAT'S CORRECT, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS WHETHER IT'S EV READY, WHICH MEANS TURNKEY, OR EV CAPABLE, WHICH MEANS AN ELECTRICIAN WOULD HAVE TO BE HIRED LATER TO COME RUN THE CONDUITS, INSTALLING THE OVER-CURRENT PROTECTION AND ALSO THE RECEPTACLE.

>> IF IT WASN'T DONE AHEAD OF TIME, WOULD THAT REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO CUT INTO THEIR WALLS?

>> NO. IT WOULD NOT REQUIRE THEM CUTTING INTO THE WALLS.

IT WOULD JUST REQUIRE THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF THE CABLING SYSTEM.

>> HOW DO YOU HAVE A FIXTURE WITHOUT CUTTING INTO THE WALLS?

>> WELL, WE WOULD MOST TRADESMAN WOULD INSTALL THE RECEPTACLE AND JUST INSTALL COVER PLATE AND THEN LATER COME OUT, PULL THE COVER PLATE, RUN THE WIRES, HAVE THE SPACE AVAILABLE ON THE ELECTRICAL PANEL, AND THEN INSTALL THE RECEPTACLE.

AGAIN, IT'S EV READY MEANS YOU PLUG IN AND PLAY.

CAPABLE MEANS I STILL NEED TO CALL SOMEONE OUT TO RUN THE CABLING AND DO ALL THE TRIM WORK.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT WE'RE HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH YOUR ORIGINAL PROPOSAL.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY, AGAIN, IS NOT AN ATTACK ON ANY ONE PARTY AND THE DEAL.

IF THERE'S AN EXPENSE THAT'S ADDED TO THE BUILDER'S FRONT END, WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT PLAYS OUT.

IT'S PASSED TO THE CONSUMER.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE MAKE MONEY.

IF WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT NOW, IT'S NOT AGAIN, AN ATTACK ON ONE OF THE PARTIES, BUT IT IS ESSENTIALLY IGNORING THE NEEDS OF THE HOMEOWNERS THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE BENEFITED BY THIS BEING INCLUDED AS THE BUILD.

I DO NOT SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.

I WILL SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL MOTION. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. LAU COUNCIL MEMBER, I CAN JUST SPEAK ON THIS MOTION.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME.

>> COERCION, I GUESS ON THIS SESSION.

DO WE HAVE ELECTRICIAN HEROKU, WHO IS A MASTER ELECTRICIAN? THANK YOU. AS A MASTER ELECTRICIAN, WHEN YOU BUILD A HOUSE, YOU DO A BID FOR ELECTRIC WORK, CORRECT?

>> YOU DECIDE WHERE THE POLYGON TO BE FOR THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. OR TO AN EXTENT, YES. RIGHT.

>> THEREFORE, IF YOU BUILD A HOUSE AND YOU GOT TO PULL THAT WIRE, THE PRICE IS DIFFERENT DEPENDING HOW FAR YOU GOT TO PUT IT FRONT APPELLATE TO THAT PLUG, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> AGREE. YES, SIR.

>> IF IT'S A TWO-STORY, THREE-STORY, WHATEVER IS APPELLANT RIGHT IN THE GARAGE, IT WILL BE CHEAPER TO PULL IT IS A LONG WAY OUT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THE ACTUAL CIRCUIT ITSELF FOR THE PANEL.

>> IN THE PANEL. IN THE SERVICE GOT MOST OF THE PELLET IS IN THE GARAGE?

>> YES. MOST OF THE TIME.

MOST IS IN THE GARAGE.

IS INFERRED THAT YOU, THE PRICE OF $800 IS NOT A PRICE.

IT BASED ON HOUSE BY HOUSE, BASED ON DESIGN BY DESIGN?

>> AGREE, THAT'S WHY IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

>> IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. THIS $800, IS THAT THE NORMAL, HOW DO YOU ARRIVE FROM THAT NUMBER? BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A UNIFORM HEIGHT, YOU CAN WRAP AT $800.

IT COULD BE $200. IT COULD BE LESS THAN THAT.

THE NUMBER $800 DEPENDS ON THE BUILDER OF THE HOUSE VERSUS HOW FOOT AT BREAK ABOUT IT FROM THAT RECEPTORS, RIGHT?

>> FAIR. YES.

>> CAN I ASK, DO WE HAVE A BUILDER IN THIS DEAL? IT CAN BE ALL MY TIME.

IS THERE A BUILDER WHO BUILD HOUSES? I DIDN'T BUILD HOUSES BEFORE, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU MADE A MOTION AND THE BUILDER IS SAYING THAT IT'S $800, BUT I WOULDN'T BE A MINUTE COST IN MY LIFE AND I GIVE MY BUILDER BEFORE.

>> YOUR TIME IS RUNNING.

>>> HE CAN RUN ON THE TIME, SO IT'S VERY SIMPLE.

>> LET ME GET SOME ORDER HERE.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, LET ME ESTABLISH ORDER.

HIS TIME IS GOING TO STOP.

>> CORRECT.

>> WE DO HAVE A BUILDER.

I THOUGHT I DIDN'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT WE DO HAVE A BUILDER.

NOW, WOULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF?

>> YEAH. I'M TECHNICALLY NOT A BUILDER.

I DO REPRESENT THE BUILDING INDUSTRY.

IN OUR RESEARCH FOR THIS COUNCIL, WHEN WE DID PRICE OUT WHAT WE EXPECT IN PRODUCTS, WE SOUGHT TO MULTIPLE BUILDERS AND WHAT THEY COULD EXPECT TO HAVE TO DO WHEN THEY DO THE INSTALL.

THERE ARE THINGS LIKE METER BASES, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WIRING, WHICH AGAIN, THE WIRING IS GETTING ELEVATED.

SOME OF THESE MATERIALS ARE PROBLEMATIC.

THEN THERE IS THE ISSUE ALSO THAT BECOMES A BIGGER QUESTION MARK, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT WITH A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HOMES,

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WHETHER IT'D BE 20-100 HOMES, WHATEVER THAT BE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT SHORTAGE RIGHT NOW ON TRANSFORMERS WHICH YOU POWER THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH.

AS YOU GO TO MORE ELECTRIC CAPABILITY OR MORE ELECTRIC NEEDS, WE HAVE HEARD THAT THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE WHERE YOU HAVE TO GO TO A LARGER TRANSFORMER.

CURRENTLY, THERE IS SHORTAGE ON THESE TRANSFORMERS THAT RELAYS OUT TO 16 MONTHS AND EVEN LONGER.

THERE IS AN ORDER PROPOSED RIGHT NOW FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY THAT CALLS FOR WHAT THEY PROPOSE WOULD BE ENERGY CONSERVATION AND THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE PRODUCTION OF THE TRANSFORMERS.

THE PROBLEM IS THE STEEL THAT THEY ARE USING IN THIS TRANSFORMER IS RARELY SOURCED IN THE US BY ONE PORTION, THEY ARE SHORT ON IT AND THE REST IS FOREIGN SOURCE.

IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY PROVIDE THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY IN OUR OPINION.

BUT TO YOUR QUESTION, YES, IT CAN ACTUALLY COST MORE THAN NUMBERS.

I GOT BACK FROM BUILDERS ON THIS FOR THE INSTALLED OPPONENT IN THE HOME, IT GETS CLOSER TO $1,000.

OUR CONCERN ON THAT, AS YOU KNOW HER TO SPEAK BEFORE, WE WORRY ABOUT THE PRICE OUT FACTORS AND THE MEDIAN PRICE HOME WHERE YOUR WORKING FAMILIES ARE GOING TO BE.

FOR EVERY THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU ADD TO THE PRICE OF HOME AND FINISH OUT, TEXAS A&M REAL ESTATE RESEARCH CENTER ESTIMATES THAT YOU PRICE OUT SOMEWHERE 20,00-25,000 TEXAS FAMILIES.

THAT BECOMES A QUESTION WHEN YOU ADD TO THE PRICE OF IT, ARE YOU PRICING TEXAS FAMILIES OUT OF DALLAS.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU ADD THIS PRICE INTO THE FRONT CONSTRUCTION OF HOME, IT GOES INTO THE SALES PRICE OF THE HOME.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOMES THAT ARE PURCHASED IN TEXAS ARE BASED ON HOME LOAN.

THAT GETS INTO THE MODERNIZATION OF THE HOME.

OF COURSE, YOU HAVE INTEREST RATES AS THEY ADDRESS OF WHAT THEY BOUGHT THE LOAN ON.

THAT NUMBER ACTUALLY GROWS AS THIS ROLL INTO THE HOUSE PAYMENT. I HOPE THAT HELPS.

>> OF COURSE. YOU MENTIONED TRANSFORMERS.

I KNOW WE ARE SHORT OF TRANSFORMERS BECAUSE ONCOR CANNOT REPLACE TRANSFORMERS.

WHEN YOU BUILD 20 OR 100 HOUSES IN THE MARKET RIGHT NOW, DO WE GOT A PROBLEM WITH SUPPLYING THE RIGHT ENERGY LEVEL TRANSFORMER TO PUT THIS EV?

>> IT DEPENDS WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE METRO PLEX IN AND ALMOST DEPENDS ON THE DAY.

THERE ARE SOME PROVIDERS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT LEAD TIMES ALONE IF THEY HAVE THEM IN STOCK.

ONCOR DOES A PRETTY GOOD JOB, BUT THERE IS A CONCERN.

>> I'M NOT KIDDING YOU. I HAD TAUGHT MY UNCLE AND I KNOW WE GOT A BACKLOG ON TRANSFORMER.

MY IDEA IS NOT ONCOR, MY IDEA WHEN YOU BUILD HOUSES IN THE STATE OF DALLAS, DO YOU HAVE ADEQUATE POWER TO PUT THIS IN HERE? WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU GOT A BACKLOG THAT YOU CANNOT SUPPLY.

>> AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE HOME STRUCTURE.

IF I HAVE A CUSTOM HOME OR CUSTOM HOME BUILDER AND HE'S IN AN AREA, THEY'RE ALREADY CHECKED INTO THAT.

BUT IF YOU'RE IN A NEW GROWTH AREA OR AN AREA THAT'S SET UP FOR DEVELOPMENT, THEN IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE OF MAKING SURE YOU HAVE THE TRANSFORMER AND THE POWER ADEQUATE TO SUPPLY THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, POWER.

>> THERE CAN BE A PROBLEM WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

THESE, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY WORRIED ABOUT BECAUSE, AGAIN, NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO PURCHASE THESE VEHICLES DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LOOK.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VEHICLE TECHNOLOGY THAT HAS BEEN OUT FOR OVER 15 YEARS ROUGHLY AND IT IS NOT EVEN REALLY HITTING THE 5% MARK RIGHT NOW OF SHARED VALUE OR SHARE OF MARKET.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUREAU STATISTICS, THEY COME OUT WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS.

A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT NUMBER WAS AROUND 2% OF MARKET SHARE, AND IN CALIFORNIA, WE'D SEEN RESEARCH WHERE THE NUMBER IS 20% OF THOSE PEOPLE BUYING THESE VEHICLES WERE TURNING THEM BACK WITHIN TWO YEARS.

THAT AGAIN BRINGS US BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL POINT.

YOU ARE PUTTING TECHNOLOGY, YOU'RE PUTTING A MANDATE CONSTRUCTION INTO A HOME THAT MAY NOT LIKELY BE USED BY THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE BUYING THOSE HOMES AND YOU'RE DOING IT AT A COST WHERE IT BECOMES A CONCERN THAT THERE MAY BE A PRICE OUTBACK.

>>THANK YOU. ELECTRICIAN, QUESTION TO YOU.

WHAT IS THE MATERIAL COST?

>> OUTSIDE OF THE LENGTH OF THE BRANCH CIRCUIT?

>> YES. THE MATERIAL COST OF THE PRODUCT.

NOT LABELED, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL COST?

>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCE AT A GFCI BREAKER THAT ARE RUNNING AROUND $90 PROBABLY, A RECEPTACLE LITTLE COST OF $10, AND A COPPER PLATE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW LONG THE CIRCUIT IS GOING TO BE BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO DRASTICALLY CHANGE.

>> BASED ON THE MATERIAL COST OF THE PLUG, IT'S PROBABLY 100 BUCKS, RIGHT? ROUGHLY?

>> I'LL LOOK IT UP. IT'S PROBABLY $100.

>> ROUGHLY.

>> THE LABEL, I SAID I'M $100.

>> IT'S HARD TO FIND A TRADESMAN AROUND HERE. YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS.

>> YES, SIR.

COUNCIL, I THINK AT THIS POINT COUNCILMAN WEST.

>> I THINK I'M ON MY SECOND, I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCIL MENDELSON'S GONE YET.

>> HOLD ON ONE SEC.

[BACKGROUND] THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFICATION, CITY SECRETARY.

COUNCIL WOMAN MENDELSON,

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YOU HAVE FIVE-MINUTES ON THIS ROUND.

>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL US WHAT PERCENT OF CARS ON THE ROAD IN THE UNITED STATES ARE ELECTRIC?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON, WE HAVE NOT CONDUCTED A DATA ANALYSIS.

>> WELL, I ONLY GOOGLED IT AND THE WEBSITE 8BILLIONTREES.COM, WHICH WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A LOT MORE THAN THEY REALLY DO, THEY SAY IT'S 1% AS OF MARCH 2023, SO IT'S NOT BEEN COMMONLY ADOPTED AT THIS TIME.

WHAT IS THE AVERAGE COST OF AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

>> IT'S OKAY. THE NEW YORK TIMES, AT THE END OF 2022 SAYS THE AVERAGE COST IS $61,488, WHICH IN DALLAS IS ABOVE OUR AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME.

WE JUST HAD A VERY UNFORTUNATE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOUSING POLICY BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REQUIRING SOMETHING THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ADD TO THE PRICE OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD DO THIS AT THIS TIME.

DO YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP AGAIN A COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE WE SEE A BIGGER ADOPTION FOR PEOPLE THAT MIGHT WANT TO USE THIS? THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T SEE WHY IT MAKES SENSE TODAY.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER, THE INTERNATIONAL CODES ARE ADOPTED OR PUBLISHED EVERY THREE YEARS.

>> MR. ESPINOZA.

>> WE'LL LET YOU FINISH. I'M SORRY.

I'M PREMATURE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER.

JUST GO AHEAD AND FINISH UP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. OUR CODES ARE ADOPTED EVERY THREE YEARS.

WHAT'S IN THE INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE, WHICH IS THE TOPIC WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, IS BROUGHT FORWARD BY A COALITION OF CODE PROFESSIONALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

WHEN WE ENCOUNTERED IT, WE SHARED IT, WE COMMUNICATED WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION.

WE DID RECEIVE FEEDBACK AND THE CONSENSUS WAS TO LEAVE IT AS IS.

WE TAKE OUR DIRECTION FROM THIS BOARD AND ALSO OUR STAKEHOLDERS WHEN IT COMES TO POLICY AND CODE AMENDMENTS,.

>> ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT BEING PREEMPTED ON THIS? WE'VE GOT A VERY ACTIVE HOUSE RIGHT NOW THAT COULD CERTAINLY ADD IN SOMETHING THAT WOULD PREEMPT US.

>> YOU WANT TO TAKE THE QUESTION.

>> [INAUDIBLE] THE QUESTION.

>> LET'S HEAR THE QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.

>> THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT BEING PREEMPTED AT THE STATE LEVEL IF WE ADOPT SOMETHING LIKE THIS?

>> NO, WE'RE NOT.

>> WELL, I'M IN SUPPORT OF COUNCIL MEMBER WEST'S MOTION, AND I HOPE THAT ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TODAY ABOUT CONCERN FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY, PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE A CONSISTENT VOTING POLICY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANDREW AND HIS TEAM, AS HE ARTICULATED EVERY TWO YEARS, THE INTERNATIONAL CODE IS ADOPTED, REVIEWED LOCALLY TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY AMENDMENTS, PARTICULARLY TO JURISDICTIONS AND THEIR OWN SPECIAL, WHETHER IT'S THOSE OVER AND ABOVE.

I WILL COMMENT ON THIS ONE.

I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER, WE ARE REQUIRING AND ACTUALLY IT'S BEING DONE TO PUT AND PROVIDE EV RELATED CAPABILITIES IN OUR MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT WE'RE APPROVING.

I WOULD ALSO JUST ADD AGAIN BACK TO POLICY AND THAT'S I THINK WHAT ANDREW WAS TRYING TO SHARE.

THEY ARE GUIDED BY AND LOOKING TOWARDS AND TO THE COUNCIL'S ADOPTION OF THE SEA CAP.

AND I THINK WHAT WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE BUDGET CYCLE AND EVEN UP IN THROUGH AND AFTER THE BUDGET CYCLE, WAS THAT WE WANTED TO SUPPORT THE UTILIZATION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

WE'VE ACTUALLY EVEN HAD THIS COUNCIL APPROVE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANS AND PROGRAMS FOR THE CITY TO ELECTRIFY ITS FLEET WHILE IT'S 1% OF THE BROADER MARKET OF VEHICLES.

SECONDLY, WE'RE INVESTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, IF NOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN CHARGING STATIONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACQUIRE AND INSTALL AT CITY FACILITIES AND EVEN BEING DISCUSSED AND OTHER AREAS.

AGAIN, IT'S BACK TO STAFF TRYING TO LIVE OUT AND IMPLEMENT THE POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN

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ADOPTED BY THIS COUNCIL THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT WANTING US TO UTILIZE OUR OWN RESOURCES TO AGAIN, ADVANCE PEOPLE'S AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE'S ACCESS TO EVS.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, I COMMEND STAFF ARE WORKING HARD AND COUNCIL GETS TO MAKE THAT POLICY DECISION.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US IF IN FACT WE COULD GET CONSISTENT AND CLEAR GUIDANCE AS IT RELATES TO THE INTENTIONS AND THE THINGS THAT WE BRING FORWARD, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE BELIEVE THEY'RE IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO DO.

AGAIN, I THINK WHATEVER WE DECIDE TODAY IS FINE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BE REMINDING THAT STAFF AND COUNCIL THAT WE LOOK TO YOU FOR THE GUIDANCE ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. THANK YOU.

WE'RE FINISHING UP HERE SO THAT WE'RE READY FOR HOMELESS.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET THIS CLEAR. I WAS WORRIED FOR COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, I THOUGHT YOU HAD SOME COMMENTS.

COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS WE APOLOGIZE, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS AMENDMENT.

DALLAS STEPPED OUT WITH SEA CAP, BUT IT'S GOT SOME TERRITORY THAT WE ARE PIONEERING AND LEARNING AS OUR WORLD BEGINS TO GRASP THE USE OF THESE TYPES OF VEHICLES AND SEE IT COME INTO THE CONSUMER MARKET.

I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS A UNIVERSAL TRUTH THAT TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AND CHANGES RAPIDLY.

TO DROP A PIN IN THIS RIGHT NOW WITH OUR POLICY, I REALIZED, AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOU-ALL ARE ALWAYS WATCHING THAT INTERNATIONAL CODE AND WANTING TO BRING THESE THINGS FORTH SO THAT DALLAS IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE WITH REGARD TO THIS.

I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN OUTLIER BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE THAT IS ALWAYS OCCURRING AND HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ADOPTED EVS.

I HAVE ONE. I CAN TELL YOU WE GOT A SWEET DEAL BECAUSE IT WAS A 1,400 MILE TURN IN.

SOMEBODY BOUGHT ONE AND DECIDED IT WAS NOT FOR THEM.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO THAT MARKET TO LOOK AROUND FOR A USED VEHICLE.

BUT, IN OUR HOME, WE STILL ALSO HAVE A GAS-POWERED VEHICLE AND SO WE HAD TO ADAPT, BUT I THINK I DON'T FEEL LIKE SOMETHING SHOULD COME ALREADY EQUIPPED FOR THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO SOON IN THE MARKETPLACE.

IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THE INTERNATIONAL CODE IS REVIEWED EVERY THREE YEARS, THAT MIGHT BE BETTER TIMING FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT OR MAYBE IT COULD BE BROUGHT BACK SOONER IF WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S GREAT ADOPTION IN DALLAS AND THAT THE TIMING IS RIGHT, BUT IT JUST FEELS A LITTLE PREMATURE RIGHT NOW AS WE WATCH WHAT UNFOLDS IN OUR MARKETPLACE AS WELL AS WITH TECHNOLOGY.

ALSO I THINK CHAIR ATKINS BROUGHT UP JUST MATERIAL SHORTAGES.

I MEAN, ALL THAT SORT OF THING.

WE'RE JUST PLAYING IN A STILL WHAT IS IN UNCERTAIN TIME, BUT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THIS AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

I BELIEVE [INAUDIBLE] WAS NEXT.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. IN THIS QUE FOR SOME REASON I'M NOT SEEMED TO BE IN SYNC.

>> I THINK BLACKMAN IS NEXT.

>> OKAY. BLACKMAN AND THEN WILLI.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN.

>> I'M [INAUDIBLE] DO WHATEVER IT TAKES

>> COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMAN JUST BEAR WITH US AS WE GO THROUGH THIS WORK TODAY.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME, COUNCILWOMAN.

>> I TEND TO AGREE WITH WHAT MS. WILLIS IS SAYING.

THREE YEARS AGO, THE CODE WAS NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT EVS, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER THE 2015 CODES, SO WE ACTUALLY MISS ONE CODE CYCLES.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE COMING UP TO THIS.

>> OKAY. IT WASN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT IN 2015 AND THEN WAS IT ADDRESSED IN 2018 OR 2019? IN OTHER WORDS, THIS IS AN EVOLVING THING.

>> YES. THESE, THE EV PROVISIONS FIRST APPEARED IN THE 2018 BY CODE.

BUT AGAIN, WE SKIPPED OVER THAT EDITION, SO WE DIDN'T ADDRESS THE EVS CHARGING STATIONS THAT AT THAT TIME.

>> DO YOU PLAN TO STAY ON THE CYCLE AND KEEP ON TOP OF THIS WHEN MOVING TO THE NEXT THREE.

BECAUSE I DO THINK TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING.

I THINK THERE MAY BE A TIME WHEN WE DO HAVE BATTERIES IN OUR HOUSES, IF THE GRID GOES DOWN AGAIN, BUT THAT TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING, OR WHEN IT GOES DOWN.

CAN STAFF COMMIT TO WATCHING THIS AND SEEING THAT IF MORE INDIVIDUALS, I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE TO COME FOR A PERMIT WHEN YOU PUT IN ONE OF THESE TYPES OF TECHNOLOGY PIECES, WHEN YOU START UPGRADING IT? IF YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE REQUESTS TO PUT PUT EV CHARGERS AND THAT MAY BE A TRIGGER.

AS WE MAY NEED TO REQUIRE THIS MORNING VERSUS JUST MAKE IT EV CAPABLE?

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>> I'M GOING TO DEFER TO OUR ELECTRICAL CHIEF.

HE'S SEEN MORE OF THESE PERMITS THAN I DO. DO YOU SEE ANY [INAUDIBLE]

>> STAFF, COULD YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC BECAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE IN THE AFTERNOON AND THE EARS ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

>> I UNDERSTAND. WHEN IS A PERMIT REQUIRED? WHAT'S THAT?

>> THE QUESTION WAS, ARE WE SEEING MORE PERMIT FOR EV CHARGERS?

>> OVER ALL THEIR USE? YES. IS INCREASING.

ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES, SOLAR, BATTERY STORAGE, ALL OF IT IS INCREASING ACROSS THE BOARD, MASSIVELY.

>> SO YOU DO SEE MORE REQUESTS, YOU ARE SEEING THAT HAPPEN NOW?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY? THAT CHANGES THE CONVERSATION.

IF YOU'RE SEEING AN ELEVATED REQUESTS AND THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS A NEED AND YOU MAY WANT TO DO THAT UP FRONT.

BUT IS IT LIKE 2000 A YEAR? IS IT 20,000?

>> WE COULD GET THE DATA FOR YOU ON THE COMMERCIAL INTO THINGS.

WE DO HAVE AN EXEMPTION IN CHAPTER 52 TO ALLOW THOSE TO BE INSTALLED IN SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLINGS WITHOUT A PERMIT.

SO OBTAINING THAT DATA WOULD BE VERY HARD.

>> IN SINGLE-FAMILY, THERE'S NO THAT.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DO THAT, SO THERE'S NOT A TRIGGER POINT TO WHERE IF YOU START SEEING MORE FOLKS COMING IN AND ASKING BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THAT.

>> CORRECT. WE HAVEN'T OUT.

>> HOW DO YOU DO THAT IF YOU'RE MESSING WITH ELECTRICAL AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME IN AND GET A TAG?

>> IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME ALLOWANCE IN 52.

>> YOU MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

BECAUSE THAT SEEMS A LITTLE ODD BECAUSE YOU'RE MESSING WITH ELECTRICITY AND YOU MAY HAVE OPENED UP A CAN OF WORMS THERE.

I HAVE BUILT A HOUSE BEFORE, SO I KNOW ABOUT GREEN TAGS AND RED TEXTS AND MARRIED TO AN ARCHITECT.

BECAUSE THE THING IS AS I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE WITH TECHNOLOGY AND THE EVOLVING.

THEN UNDERSTANDING CAPABILITY VERSUS READY.

I DON'T NECESSARILY NEED PLUG AND PLAY, BUT I WANT IT TO BE EASY TOO.

IF YOU PASS IT ONTO THE HOMEOWNER AT $1,000 EXPENSE AND THEY MORTGAGE IT OUT., WHAT IS THAT AMORTIZATION ON THE $1,000 WHEN NOW, I BET YOU, IF YOU GO, YOU COULD PROBABLY APPLY WITH SOME FOLKS AND GET A BETTER RATE OF GETTING A GRANT OF SOME SORT TO HELP WITH PUTTING IN THE CHARGER.

SO I THINK I'M STILL LISTENING, BUT I TEND TO GO WITH WHAT MR. WEST IS SUGGESTING HERE, BUT IT MAY BE A TIME THAT IN SIX MONTHS OR TO YEAR, WE REVISIT THIS THROUGH A COMMITTEE THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL AND SUSTAINABILITY TO SEE IF WHAT WE ARE INTENDING TO DO IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING OR DO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME ALTERATIONS IN IT.

BUT I DO THINK IF THEY'RE HAVING TO INSTALL AN EV FOR A CHARGING UNIT, THEY MAY NEED TO LOOK AT A PERMIT, JUST A SUGGESTION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL WOMAN, IS THAT YOU'RE LAST QUESTION? THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY, THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME SPEAKING, AM I CORRECT?

>> THANK YOU. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR IN RESPONSE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S QUERY AS TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTITUDE ABOUT THIS FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL EV ADOPTION STANDPOINT, MY PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THIS IS MORE AN ECONOMIC QUESTION THAN IT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL ONE.

FOR EXAMPLE BUILDERS WERE TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES HERE.

IF WE ADOPT THE CURRENT MOTION THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE EV READY EQUIPMENT, BUILDERS CAN OPT TO INSTALL IT ANYWAY.

THEY CAN DO IT ON AN ADD-IN BASIS FOR HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVE ELECTRIC CARS OR ASPIRE TO BUY ONE.

THEY CAN TELL THEIR BUILDER WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING OR WHEN THEY'RE BUYING THE HOUSE, PLEASE INSTALL THIS EQUIPMENT FOR ME NOW,.

THAT'S THE ECONOMIC ISSUE.

THEY ASK FOR IT, THEY PAY FOR IT.

PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE ELECTRIC CARS DON'T ASK FOR IT.

THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

IF THEY OR LATER OWNER, A SECOND OWNER DECIDES THEY WANT AN ELECTRIC CAR.

DO WE REALLY THINK THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE BUYING AN ELECTRIC CAR SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A PLUG IN THEIR GARAGE.

WHEN THIS WHOLE REVOLUTION TOWARD ELECTRIC CAR STARTED, NO ONE HAD PLUGS FOR 220 VOLT IN THEIR GARAGES.

THAT DIDN'T DISSUADE PEOPLE FROM BUYING THEM.

IF THEY BUY THE CAR, IF THEY COMMIT TO BUYING AN EV, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE EQUIPMENT AT THE TIME THAT THEY NEED IT.

I THINK THE FAIREST ECONOMIC RESOLUTION HERE IS TO MAKE PEOPLE PAY FOR IT WHO WANT IT NOW, AND THOSE WHO WANT IT LATER CAN PAY FOR IT LATER.

THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE AN ACROSS

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THE BOARD REQUIREMENT WHEN ONLY ONE PERCENT OF THE VEHICLE FLEET IS ELECTRIC.

THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY I SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT.

IN ADDITION TO WHICH WE CAN REVISIT THIS ISSUE IN TWO OR THREE YEARS AND DECIDE IF THE EV ADOPTION RATE ACCELERATES, THEN MAYBE THEN WE CAN REQUIRE IT.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, RIDLEY.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NEVADA IS I'M SORRY.

I'VE ENJOYED HEARING THE DEBATE.

THIS IS BEEN VERY EYE-OPENING AND LEARNING A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THIS.

BUT WHAT GIVES ME THE MOST WHY I'M GOING TO SUPPORT MR. WEST'S MOTION IS BECAUSE COLLEAGUES, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA WHICH PASS THEIR STATE LEGISLATORSHIP HAS THAT ALL VEHICLES HAVE TO BECOME ELECTRIC, BY I THINK LIKE 2050.

IF THEY'RE USING THIS EXACT SAME MODEL IN TEXAS, HASN'T EVEN COME EVEN CLOSE TO SAYING THAT ALL VEHICLES NEED TO BE ELECTRIC THEN WE NEED TO GO BY AT LEAST THIS MODEL BECAUSE IT'LL WORK.

THEN HEARING ABOUT THE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES AND ALL OF THAT AND I WANT TO APPLAUD CHAIR BLACKMUN FOR BRINGING UP AND SAYING WE SHOULD REVIEW THIS IN MAYBE A YEAR OR TWO BECAUSE THAT MAKES SENSE.

THE OTHER THING THAT THROUGH READING THIS IS THE CONDUIT WILL ALREADY BE THERE.

IS THAT TRUE OR NOT?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER THAT'S CORRECT.

>> IF THE CONDUITS THERE I THINK I JUST HEARD MY COLLEAGUE, MR. RIDLEY GIVE A VERY PERFECT SAYING WHICH WAS IF THE CONSUMER IS GOING TO BUY AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE THEN THEY CAN HAVE THAT INSTALLED AND IT'S ALREADY READY VERSUS A CONSUMER WHO MAY NOT BE INTERESTED.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO GET TO ELECTRIC.

YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY DO.

I WOULD LOVE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE.

I CAN'T AFFORD THE DARN THING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I MAKE A CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS SALARY.

I ALSO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

BUT THE GOOD THING IS IT MAKES SENSE TO ME IS LIKE RIGHT NOW, NEW APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE PUTTING ANYWHERE FROM 1-2 NEW CHARGING STATIONS PER GARAGE LEVEL.

BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THESE ELECTRIC CHARGING PANELS AND STATIONS THAT MAY JUST GO UNDERUTILIZED OR NOT USED.

AS TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES AND GETS BETTER, THERE MAY BE A CHEAPER VERSION.

EVERY TIME SOMETHING NEW COMES OUT, WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNOLOGY, IS IT ACCURATE THAT THINGS GET CHEAPER AS THEY'VE EITHER BECOME MORE POPULAR OR THERE'S NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT'S BETTER.

AM I ACCURATE ON THAT OR?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER I CAN'T SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO THE EV TECHNOLOGY, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S THE MARKET TREND.

>> YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

YOU'RE NOT THE EXPERT ON EVERY SINGLE THING, BUT IT'S LIKE EVEN ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

GOSH, THE FIRST ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT CAME OUT ON THE MARKET WERE LIKE, WHAT WERE THEY? TESLAS AND THEY WERE LIKE 100 GRAND OR MORE LIKE THEY WERE COMPLETELY UNATTAINABLE FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF FOLKS.

NOW YOU HAVE AV VEHICLES THAT ARE IN A MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE RANGE, BUT THE AVERAGE EV VEHICLE RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT 58 GRAND.

THAT'S NOT EXACTLY AFFORDABLE FOR THE ENTIRE POPULACE.

I WOULD LOVE A DAY WHERE EVERY ONE OF US IS DRIVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

THAT'S THE GOAL, THAT'S THE IDEA.

BUT WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.

EVEN OUR OWN CITY FLEET, WE CAN'T GET THERE YET BECAUSE THE THINGS DON'T EXIST OR THEY'RE JUST RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE TO BE ABLE TO TURN THEM OVER SO AS WE CAN WE ARE AND AS THEY BECOME AFFORDABLE.

I'LL DEFINITELY BE IN SUPPORT OF THIS AMENDMENT.

I DO HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN I'M NO LONGER ON THIS COUNCIL, SOME OF THESE FOLKS STILL WILL BE MAYBE TWO OR THREE YEARS.

THEY CAN RELOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF IT'S TIME TO CHANGE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, MASSAGE IT.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE SEAT CAP WAS WRITTEN SO THAT IT COULD BE MOLDED, MASSAGED AND SO WE COULD DO THINGS LIKE THAT.

I WOULD LOVE TO MANDATE FOR EVERY SINGLE BRAND NEW HOME TO HAVE THIS.

BUT WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.

AS LONG AS THE CONDUITS THERE, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMPROMISE.

THOSE FOLKS THAT DO WANT IT OR CAN GET IT INSTALLED AND ARE BUYING THAT ELECTRIC VEHICLE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A GRAB THAT COST AND BE ABLE TO DO IT THEMSELVES AND NOT MAYBE WASTE SOME SPACE OR ROOM IN THEIR GARAGE IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO OR JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM.

IS THIS ABOUT COUNCIL MEMBER? ALL THE SECOND ROUND.

IT'S NOW, I BELIEVE COUNCIL MEMBER WEST, YOU'RE NOW RECOGNIZED. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL BE QUICK.

WE ALL SUPPORT CCAP.

IT PASSED WITH THE UNANIMOUS VOTE.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T REVIEW THE ORDINANCES THAT COME OUT OF CCAP WITH A SANITY CHECK TO MAKE SURE THEY MAKE SENSE WITH OUR OTHER POLICIES BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 100 PERCENT BATTING AVERAGE.

HOUSING AND AT LEAST IN MY MIND, IS OUR NUMBER 1 PRIORITY AS A CITY RIGHT NOW.

THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE OF MANY, WHICH WE'RE PASSING TODAY THAT'S BEEN PUT UP BY

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THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IT IMPACTS EVERY NEW HOME, NOT JUST THE HOMES THAT ARE BUILT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO AFFORD A 58,000 DOLLAR ELECTRIC CAR AND IMPACTS EVERY NEW HOME.

IF THIS ORDINANCE KEEPS 1,000 PEOPLE OR EVEN A COUPLE DOZEN PEOPLE FROM GETTING INTO THEIR FIRST HOME.

I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AND I DO SUPPORT LOOKING AT IT AGAIN IN COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN FOR PUTTING IT IN COMMITTEE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER.

COUNCIL MEMBER I BELIEVE MENDELSON WAS IN THE QUEUE FIRST.

COUNCIL WOMAN, MENDELSON.

>> THANK YOU ACTUALLY MUCH OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST JUST SAID, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE ONLY STATEMENT THAT I'LL ADD TO THAT IS THAT WHILE WE DID UNANIMOUSLY PASS CCAP, I WOULD SAY THAT POLICY IMPLEMENTATION HAS TO MATCH THE TECHNICAL ABILITY THAT'S OUT THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE IT YET.

WHEN TECHNOLOGY CATCHES UP, PLEASE BRING IT BACK TO US.

WE'RE NOT THERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER BELVIDERE.

>> YES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME CLARITY ON THE RECORD.

YES, TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT NINE MODELS OF CARS THAT ARE PRICED UNDER 40,000 DOLLARS.

IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR ON RECORD AND THAT THE TECHNOLOGY PIECE ITSELF HAS NOT CHANGED ON WHAT IS REQUIRED TO CHARGE THEM.

CAN CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, PLEASE?

>> THE STATEMENT THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING ON THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE.

YES IT IS ACCURATE.

IT IS CHANGING CONSTANTLY WHERE IT GOES IN THE FUTURE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.

WE'RE TAKING BEST GUESS.

>> THE EVOLUTION OF THAT TECHNOLOGY AND THE VEHICLES THEMSELVES.

HOW HAS THAT IMPACTED THE CHARGING SOURCE? HAVE THEY BEEN GONE FOR A DECADE AND PLUS?

>> THEY HAVE BECOME MORE EFFICIENT OVER TIME IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO CHARGE AND THE AMOUNT OF CURRENT TO CHARGE.

>> WHAT ABOUT WHAT WAS REQUIRED TO CHARGE THEM?

>> WHAT? IT'S ALWAYS BEEN UTILITY.

>> IF IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A 220 SPECIFICALLY.

>> CLASS 1'S CAN ACTUALLY WORK OFF 110, BUT THEY TAKE FOREVER TO CHARGE.

BUT IT'S IN A HOME.

IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS 220.

>> YES. THE EVOLUTION OF THE TECHNOLOGY IS MORE ON THE VEHICLE FRONT, NOT ON WHAT IS NEEDED ON THE ELECTRICAL PIECE?

>> IT'S ELECTRIC CARS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO NEED ELECTRICITY?

>> THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE CLEARED UP AS WELL.

I DO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO OPEN UP THESE OPPORTUNITIES.

THERE'S A REASON THAT THERE'S A DISPARITY IN OUR CITY OF WHERE ELECTRIC VEHICLES ARE.

WE CAN CONTINUE TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ONLY CATER TO A STEREOTYPICAL POPULATION IN THEORY, WHO CAN AFFORD THESE, OR WE CAN START OPENING UP DOORS SO THAT OTHER DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE THAT LUXURY AS WELL.

I THINK THAT THIS DECISION SHOULDN'T BE MADE IF IT'S MEANT TO JUST BENEFIT BUILDERS AND NOT HOMEOWNERS AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE AS WELL.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS FOR THAT REASON.

I WILL CONTINUE TO WATCH THE TRENDS BECAUSE THEY HAVE ONLY GONE DOWN IN PRICE AND MADE MORE AVAILABLE.

IN FACT, THE FIRST DECADE, AT LEAST, THEY WERE ONLY AVAILABLE IN LUXURY CARS.

THEY WERE ONLY AVAILABLE IN BRANDS THAT YES, WE'RE NOT AFFORDABLE TO A LOT OF OUR TARGETED DEMOGRAPHIC FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP.

THAT'S NOT THE CASE NOW.

WE CAN EITHER BE REACTIVE AS A COUNCIL OR WE COULD BE PROACTIVE.

THIS IS BEING PROACTIVE WHAT YOU ALL HAVE RECOMMENDED IN THE BEGINNING, I THINK THAT REVISITING THIS IS BEING REACTIONARY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE QUEUE.

I THINK I LIKED THE STATEMENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WEST MADE.

I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT'S TIME FOR A SANITY CHECK.

AT THIS TIME, HE'S ASKING FOR A RECORD VOTE SO CITY SECRETARY, COULD WE BEGIN THE RECORD VOTE?

>> PLEASE START VOTING. TWELVE HAVE VOTED, 13 HAVE VOTED.

VOTE AGAIN, FAVOR COUNCIL MEMBERS MCGOUGH, MENDELSON, THOMAS, WEST, MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD, WILLIS, RESENDEZ, MORENO, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NARVAEZ, RIDLEY, BLACKMON, ATKINS, VOTING AGAINST COUNCIL MEMBERS BAZALDUA, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ'S ABSOLUTE VOTE TAKEN.

MARY JOHNSON IS ABSENT.

WITH 12 VOTING IN FAVOR, ONE OPPOSED.

THE ITEM PASSES, MADAM MAYOR.

>>THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.

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WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

>> AGENDA ITEM 43 AUTHORIZE THE RATIFICATION TO PAY OUTSTANDING INVOICES DUE TO

[43. Authorize the ratification to pay outstanding invoices due to Fair Park First in the amount of $129,362.58 for facility emergency operational support services located at Fair Park - Not to exceed $129,362.58 - Financing: General Fund]

FAIR PARK BURST IN THE AMOUNT OF $129,362.58 FOR A FACILITY.

EMERGENCY OPERATIONAL SUPPORT SERVICES LOCATED AT FAIR PARK, NOT TO EXCEED $129,362.58.

THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.

>> I'M SORRY, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS GOING IN OR COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON, DID YOU?

>> YEAH.

>> WELL, [OVERLAPPING] I'M SURPRISED.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

COUNCILMAN ANDREW, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHAT SERVICES WERE PROVIDED TO FAIR PARK FIRST FOR THE INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTERING?

>> SURE. I'LL HAVE CHRISTINE CROSSLEY COME UP, THE SERVICES WERE PROVIDED, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE DIRECTLY PROVIDED BY FAIR PARK FIRST STEP FACILITY.

>> YES. ACTUALLY, THIS IS A CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, DIRECTOR OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR A CHARGE FROM LAST YEAR.

THEY WERE DOING AN AUDIT AND THEIR AUDIT REVEALED THAT THEY FOUND THAT THEY HAD NOT INVOICED US FOR IT AND SECURITY.

IT IS THE ONLY THING THAT WE WERE CHARGED FOR LAST YEAR DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER UTILIZATION OF FAIR PARK.

>> THESE WERE THE NINE DAYS IN FEBRUARY. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> YOU WEREN'T BEING CHARGED FOR SPACE OR CLIMATE CONTROL OR BATHROOMS AS IT AND SECURITY?

>> WE WERE NOT.

>> HOW WAS THIS AMOUNT DETERMINED?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO PULL THOSE FINANCIAL RECORDS FOR YOU, BUT I KNOW THAT OUR TEAM ASKED FOR A LOT OF DOCUMENTATION FROM THEM WHEN THEY GAVE US THE CHARGE BECAUSE IT WAS QUITE RECENT AND THE DOCUMENTATION WAS SATISFACTORY FOR MY TEAM TO BRING IT TO COUNSEL SO I CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.

>> DO WE HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR WHAT WE PAY THEM FOR? THIS IS NINE DAYS AND WE'RE PAYING THEM 129,000 FOR IT AND SECURITY.

>> WELL, WE WERE ALSO SHELTERING OVER 12,000 PEOPLE OVER TWO BUILDINGS.

THAT'S ACTUALLY FAIRLY REASONABLE.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THE DAY RATE I CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU.

>> THEN HOW MUCH DID WE PAY AUSTIN STREET IN OUR CALLING FOR SERVICES?

>> THE CONTRACT THAT GOES TO AUSTIN STREET THIS YEAR IS ROUGHLY WE HAVE A MILLION AND WE HOLD BACK A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FOR OURSELVES.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S AROUND 800,000 THAT WE SEND TO THEM AND THEN AUSTIN STREET SUBCONTRACT'S OUT.

HOWEVER, THIS YEAR WE'VE SAVED A LOT OF THAT.

AGAIN, WE'RE PULLING THESE NUMBERS AND NOW ALL THE TABULATIONS BEING DONE.

BECAUSE OUT OF THE ANNUALIZED 20 DAYS OF INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER WE EXPECTED, WE ONLY UTILIZE 10 AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO FAIR PARK.

>> YEAH. WELL, THAT'S GREAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SCHEDULE THOUGH OF WHAT WE'RE PAYING THEM FOR WHAT SERVICE.

>> OKAY.

>> IF YOU COULD SEND THAT FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE.

>> THOSE OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

NEXT ITEM, SECRETARY.

[65. Authorize Supplemental Agreement No. 1 to the professional services contract with Freese and Nichols, Inc. for the design and engineering of the Mockingbird Pedestrian Bridge Repair Project - Not to exceed $172,618.00, from $201,980.00 to $374,598.00 - Financing: General Fund]

>> AGENDA ITEM 65.

AUTHORIZED SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER 1 TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH FREESE NICHOLS INC FOR THE DESIGN AND ENGINEERING OF THE MOCKINGBIRD PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE REPAIR PROJECT, NOT TO EXCEED $172,618 FROM $201,980 TO $374,598.

THIS ITEM WAS PULLED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.

>> THANK YOU. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> IS THERE SECOND?

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED DISCUSSION, MS. MENDELSON?

>> YES. I PULLED THIS ITEM BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN THIS BRIDGE WENT IN AND I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.

I'M NOT SURE WE'D LIKE TO ANSWER THEM, BUT CAN YOU TELL US HOW OLD THIS BRIDGE IS? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL WOMAN MENDELSON.

THIS BRIDGE WAS ACTUALLY ACCEPTED BY THE CITY AT THE END OF 2017 OR EARLY 2018.

>> WHAT IS THE AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF A BRIDGE?

>> AVERAGE LIFESPAN OF A BRIDGE IS AT LEAST 40-50 YEARS.

>> WHY DOES THIS BRIDGE NEED REPAIR?

>> BASICALLY, WE'VE DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS A BIT OF A DESIGN FLAW THAT WE DO NOT HAVE WEEP HOLES AND THE BRIDGE.

WHAT IS OCCURRING IS THAT WE HAVE WATER INFILTRATING THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION JOINTS.

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IT IS GETTING STUCK IN THE CAVITY OF THE BRIDGE.

THE FACADE THAT IS ON THE BRIDGE IS A STUCCO TYPE FACADE.

THE WATER IS GETTING STUCK BEHIND THAT FACADE.

IT'S WALLPAPER THAT WHEN WATER GETS STUCK BEHIND WALLPAPER, IT WILL BASICALLY PEEL OFF.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE FACADE.

>> WHO DESIGNED THE BRIDGE?

>> THE PRIME CONSULTANT FOR THE PROJECT WAS H&TB.

>> THEN WHO REVIEWS THE DESIGNS TO ISSUE THE PERMITS?

>> WE DON'T TYPICALLY ACTUALLY ISSUE PERMITS FOR WORK IN OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY, BUT THIS WAS A PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT PROJECT.

>> DRAINAGE WASN'T CONSIDERED WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DESIGN FOR THE BRIDGE?

>> I WAS NOT A PART OF THE TEAM THAT REVIEWED THIS PROJECT.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT HAPPENED OR WHAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN REVIEW.

>> DO WE KNOW WHO WAS PART OF THE TEAM THAT DESIGNED THIS? THAT REVIEW THIS?

>> PARDON.

>> ARE PEOPLE WHO REVIEWED THIS STILL EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY?

>> ACTUALLY THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE ALL RETIRED OR THEY HAVE LEFT TO GO TO OTHER AGENCIES.

>> THEN THE CITY INSPECTS THE WORK AS IT'S BEING DONE. IS THAT TRUE?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THE CITY DOES INSPECT THE WORK AND IT WAS PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTION THAT INSPECTED THE WORK.

>> ALI, I SEE YOU OVER THERE.

DID PUBLIC WORKS NOT NOTICE THERE WERE NO WEEP HOLES?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ALI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

MA'AM, THIS PROJECT GOES WAY BEFORE US.

THE DESIGN HAPPENED, I BELIEVE, BACK IN 2011, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

AT THE TIME THAT IT GOT INSPECTED AND ALL THESE THINGS, PUBLIC WORKS INSPECTED BASED ON THE PLAN, BASED ON WHATEVER IT WAS DESIGNED.

THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PART OF IT BECAUSE IT WAS BASED ON THE PLAN.

THE PLAN ITSELF PROBABLY HAD SOME WORK.

YOU CAN CALL IT FLOWER, YOU CAN CALL IT DIFFERENT TYPE OF DESIGN BECAUSE THEY USED THIS ROLLER DRAIN THAT IS PRONE TO CLOGGING IS NOT THE BEST OPTION FOR THE BRIDGE.

BUT AGAIN, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH THE REVIEW AND EVEN THE INSPECTION, THEY'RE ALL GONE.

I WASN'T EVEN PART OF IT TO BE HONEST.

>> WHAT DEPARTMENT IS PAYING TO FIX THIS?

>> PAYING FOR WHAT?

>> TO FIX THE BRIDGE.

>> WELL, FIRST WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE CAUSE OF THE BRIDGE AT THAT POINT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REMEDY IS, WHAT THE ALTERNATIVE WILL BE.

I'M ASSUMING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PARKS IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON IT.

>> YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE A DOLLAR AMOUNTS, SO YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHAT THE FIX IS, RIGHT?

>> THE PARK DEPARTMENT IS ACTUALLY PAYING TO HAVE OUR CONSULTANTS DO DESIGN REMEDY.

WE ARE PLANNING TO HAVE THEM DESIGN, OBVIOUSLY TO PUT WEEP HOLES IN THERE.

THEN ALSO TO DO AN INTERLOCKING SYSTEM THAT WILL NOT BE STUCCO ON THIS FACADE.

>> PARKS IS PAYING TO FIX SOMETHING THAT YOU INHERITED BECAUSE IT'S A MAINTENANCE PROJECT OR HOW DID THAT WORK?

>> YES. BASICALLY, THE BRIDGE WAS TURNED OVER TO THE PARK DEPARTMENT FOR MAINTENANCE, SO THAT IS WHY WE PRUDENTLY DECIDED TO GO AHEAD AND FUND THIS FIX BECAUSE THE FACADE IS FALLING OFF AND WE DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANYBODY INJURED IF THE FACADE WOULD HAPPEN TO FALL OFF WHEN SOMEBODY WAS WALKING BY ON THE TRAIL.

>> IS THERE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE GROUP THAT DESIGNED THIS?

>> WE HAVE NOT APPROACHED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE YET, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TALK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY RECOURSE THAT WE CAN HAVE WITH HNTB AND THEIR SUB-CONSULTANTS ON THIS DESIGN.

>> HNTB IS ACTUALLY A FREQUENT CONTRACTOR FOR THE CITY.

I WOULD IMAGINE THEY SHOULD WORK WITH US.

IS THERE A REPERCUSSION IF THEY DON'T? DO WE HAVE A NAUGHTY LIST?

>> BASICALLY, ALL OF OUR PROCUREMENTS ARE QUALIFICATIONS BASED, SO IF HNTB CONTINUES TO SUBMIT, AND BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS, THEY GET A PROJECT, THEY DO GET A PROJECT.

AS I SAID, WE WILL BE TALKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ABOUT OUR RECOURSE AND WHAT FUTURE RECOURSES AND OPTIONS MAY BE.

>> IF IT'S DESIGNED WITH A FLAW AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND HELP US REMEDIATE THAT, DO WE LOWER THEIR QUALIFICATION SCORING FOR FUTURE PROCUREMENTS?

>> WE DO HAVE A DATABASE OF CONSULTANT EVALUATION FORMS THAT WE DO UTILIZE AS WE'RE EVALUATING PROJECTS, SO THAT WILL BE NOTED IN THEIR CONSULTANT EVALUATION FORM AND CONSIDERED IN FUTURE EVALUATIONS. YES, MA'AM.

>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS AS YOU TALK TO THAT VENDOR.

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I WOULD LIKE US TO RECOUP THE FUNDING TO FIX THIS.

THIS IS NOT THE CITY'S FAULT AND IT'S NOT OUR TAXPAYER'S FAULT, AND FRANKLY, I THINK YOU GUYS IN PARKS HAVE ENOUGH WORK TO DO WITH YOUR FUNDING THAT I DON'T LOVE THAT A 2017 BRIDGE NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED AT THIS POINT.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BRIDGES THAT DO NEED TO BE REPAIRED THAT ARE 40, 50, 60-PLUS YEARS OLD.

I JUST THINK THIS IS PRETTY SURPRISING.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FOLLOW-UP AND A MEMO OF WHAT HAPPENED AS YOU TALKED WITH THAT VENDOR ON HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO STEP UP AND BE A REAL PARTNER WITH US. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSON.

COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. CHRIS, WHEN WAS THIS DEFECT DISCOVERED?

>> TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THE DEFECT WAS DISCOVERED ABOUT 6-8 MONTHS AGO WHEN WE NOTICED THE FACADE WAS STARTING TO PEEL OFF.

>> HAS ANY EFFORT BEEN MADE TO PUT HTNB ON NOTICE OF THIS ERROR AND OMISSION AND ALLOW THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION OR PAY FOR THE REMEDIAL ENGINEERING WORK?

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN DONE YET, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

>> WELL, DO YOU PLAN TO DO THAT?

>> YES, WE WILL.

>> FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, THIS APPEARS TO BE AN OPEN-AND-SHUT ERRORS AND OMISSIONS CASE.

THIS IS A ROOKIE MISTAKE TO OMIT WEEP HOLES IN A STRUCTURE OF THIS TYPE.

WE ARE WELL WITHIN THE STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS BASED ON THE DISCOVERY RULE, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR.

I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD WORK WITH THE PARK DEPARTMENT, AND IF NECESSARY, PUBLIC WORKS TO PURSUE A CLAIM TO MAKE THE CITY HALL ON THIS.

>> WE WILL ABSOLUTELY DO THAT.

CHRIS IS GOING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OUR LITIGATION DEPARTMENT AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. YOU'RE DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM? THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NARVAEZ.

>> POINT OF INFORMATION.

I'M NOT REALLY FEELING TOTALLY SATISFIED WITH THE RESPONSES I'M HEARING OF WE WILL DO THAT, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S A PROPER MOTION TO BE MADE TOO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS CODIFIED, THAT WE WILL DO THAT, OR IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY.

>> IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO CODIFY IT.

I WILL MAKE SURE THAT OUR LITIGATION DEPARTMENT GETS WITH CHRIS OR JOHN JENKINS AND WE WALK THROUGH ALL OF THIS.

>> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT RESPONSE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMAN.

>> I GUESS IT'S A POINT OF INFORMATION.

DO WE NEED TO DO THIS TODAY AND THEN KEEP FOLLOWING THE SAME PATH OF TALKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY? IN OTHER WORDS, ARE WE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS TO GET IT STARTED OR DOES ONE NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE THE OTHER? I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A PROCESS.

>> YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THIS [OVERLAPPING] I WOULD DEFER TO THE ENGINEERS ON WHETHER OR NOT THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE RIGHT AWAY OR NOT.

WE CAN PURSUE BOTH.

>> WE CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS TODAY TO GET IT FIXED OR DO WE NOT PROVE IT TODAY? DO WE TABLE IT UNTIL IT COMES BACK WITH INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEYS?

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCILWOMAN BLACKMAN.

IT WOULD BE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THIS TODAY, TO GO AHEAD AND START ON THE FIX BECAUSE THE FACADE IS PEELING OFF AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE IT FALL OFF ON ANYONE THAT'S WALKING ON THE TRAIL.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON ARE YOU IN THE QUEUE AGAIN? THANK YOU. THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE QUEUE IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S BEEN REAL-TIME. THANK YOU.

>> YES. I MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THE VERY REASON THAT I HAD PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN AND ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW URGENT IS IT.

WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PUT ANYBODY IN DANGER WHO'S WALKING ON THE TRAIL, SO I'M FINE WITH ALLOCATING THE MONEY, BUT I DO HOPE THAT WE'LL RECOVER IT.

ASSUMING WE DO, WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY GO? WILL IT STAY IN PARKS FOR OTHER USES? WILL IT COME BACK TO GENERAL FUND?

>> WHEREVER THE FUNDING COMES FROM, MA'AM, THAT WOULD BE THE FUND THAT WOULD BE REIMBURSED.

IF IT COMES FROM PARKS, THEN THAT FUNDING WOULD GO BACK TO PARKS.

>> THANK YOU. THEN JUST AS A FOLLOW-UP, I ASKED IF YOU COULD PLEASE SEND A MEMO AND LET US KNOW HOW IT TURNS OUT.

IF YOU'LL SEND IT TO ME, I ACTUALLY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH GPFM BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS OUR FISCAL OVERSIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

>> CHRIS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION,

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THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL ENDANGERMENT OF THE BRIDGE, IS THERE?

>> NO, COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY, THAT IS CORRECT, THIS IS STRICTLY A COSMETIC ISSUE.

>> CORRECT. THE ALLOCATION THAT WE'RE VOTING ON TODAY IS FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES, IT'S NOT FOR DEMOLITION.

HOW WILL THE DEMOLITION BE CONDUCTED, OR IS IT ALREADY BEEN CONDUCTED TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR PEDESTRIANS?

>> BASICALLY, ONCE WE GET THE DESIGN DONE, WE WILL DO THE LOW BID.

WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND DEMOING OFF THE WALL RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE THE AREAS WHERE THE FACADE HAS FALLEN OFF, FIXED ARE TAPED OFF SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T GET CLOSE TO IT, AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR THE SITUATION.

>> THE SITE HAS BEEN SECURED FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY PURPOSES?

>> YES, IT HAS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> I'M SORRY.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM NARVAEZ.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY, FOR THE QUESTION.

I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH I HEARD TAPED OFF, AND THEN I HEARD YES, SECURED.

TAPED OFF ISN'T SECURED TO ME.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW WE'VE SECURED IT SO THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T GO UNDERNEATH THEIR PAST THE TAPE? IS IT TAPE? IS IT A FENCE? WHAT HAS MADE IT SECURE?

>> BASICALLY, IT IS BARRICADED OFF.

>> WHAT DOES BARRICADED MEAN?

>> IT HAS ORANGE AND YELLOW BARRICADES AROUND THE AREA SO THAT PEOPLE CANNOT ENTER.

>> YOU SAID ORANGE AND WHAT COLOR?

>> ORANGE AND BLACK.

>> ORANGE AND BLACK BARRICADES. ARE THEY BARRELS? ARE THEY JUST THE SAWHORSES? ARE THEY CONES? WHAT IS IT?

>> THEY ARE THE SAWHORSE-TYPE BARRICADES.

>> SOMEBODY COULD GO UNDERNEATH IT, GO OVER IT.

THAT'S NOT SECURED IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

WHAT ARE WE DOING TO THAT? BECAUSE YOU SAID SECURED, SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

IF WE'RE SECURED THAT SOMEONE'S GOING TO FALL AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO DO A LOW BID, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME.

IF THE FACADE IS FALLING OFF, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO SECURE THE AREA?

>> AS I SAID, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR IT.

IF WE SEE ANY AREA OF THE FACADE FALLING OFF, WE WILL REMOVE THAT.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO MONITOR IT ON A WEEKLY BASIS.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO GO WITH MR. CITY MANAGER.

I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT.

ONCE A WEEK GOING TO CHECK IF THE FACADE FELL OFF OR NOT, IF WE WENT TO GO CHECK ON A MONDAY AND THE FACADE FALLS OFF ON A WEDNESDAY, SOMEBODY HAPPENED TO BE UNDER THERE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO SECURE THIS AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING FALLING OFF, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HEIGHT THIS IS.

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SIX INCHES ABOVE SOMEBODY'S HEAD? IS THIS 45 FEET ABOVE SOMEBODY'S HEAD? HOW BIG OF A PIECE OF FACADE IS IT? THERE'S AERODYNAMICS THAT ARE INVOLVED.

SOMETHING COULD FALL AND HIT SOMEBODY IN THE HEAD AND SPLIT THEIR HEAD OPEN.

I'M JUST ASKING IF WE CAN PLEASE GET THIS SECURE BECAUSE I'M NOT SATISFIED WITH THAT RESPONSE.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE IN THE QUEUE, WE'RE READY NOW FOR THE VOTE.

>> ANY OPPOSE? THIS ITEM PASS.

THE CITY SECRETARY, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WE ARE NOW READY TO

[69. Consideration of appointments to boards and commissions and the evaluation and duties of board and commission members (List of nominees is available in the City Secretary's Office)]

MOVE TO YOUR REMAINING ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION.

AGENDA ITEM 69 IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

THIS AFTERNOON THERE ARE NO APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS FOR THIS MEETING.

[70. Authorize an architectural services contract with exp US Services, Inc. to provide design services for the Airport Emergency Operation Center/Airport Operation Center and bid phase services at Dallas Love Field - Not to exceed $249,708.00 - Financing: Aviation Fund (This item was deferred on March 8, 2023)]

AGENDA ITEM 70: AUTHORIZE AN ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES CONTRACT WITH EXP US SERVICES INC TO PROVIDE DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE AIRPORT EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER, AIRPORT OPERATIONS CENTER, AND BID PHASE SERVICES AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD.

NOT TO EXCEED $249,708.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> NO.

>> [BACKGROUND] I'M SORRY.

>> I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THE MOTION?

>> PULLING TWO THINGS AT ONE TIME. I'M SORRY.

THE LEGAL TEAM WANTS TO INTERJECT HERE TO BRING US BACK.

THANK YOU, MADAM.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS A SECOND.

THE MOTION NEEDS TO BE WITHDRAWN BECAUSE THERE IS A VERY SPECIFIC WAY THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

>> WITHDRAW [OVERLAPPING] MY MOTION.

>> I HAVE THE MOTIONS HERE.

[BACKGROUND]

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE IT.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR WITHDRAWAL.

NOW, AT THIS POINT, THIS ITEM BELONGS TO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

I MOVE TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE NEXT MOST HIGHLY QUALIFIED PROVIDER.

>> EXACTLY.

[04:20:03]

>> THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> REALLY QUICKLY COLLEAGUES, JUST SO YOUR HONOR, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DELAYED I THINK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

STAFF ASKED ME TO DELAY IT, STAFF ASKED ME TO DO THIS REJECTION OF THE PROPOSER.

I BELIEVE THAT PATRICK FROM AVIATION IS HERE OR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER KIM TOLBERT TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY HAVE MADE THIS REQUEST AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR YOU ALL TO WITHDRAW AND ALLOW FOR STAFF TO EXPLAIN THIS SITUATION.

I'M NOT SURE IF PATRICK'S HERE OR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, WHICHEVER ONE OF YOU CAN COME UP AND EXPLAIN THAT.

I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS SO I'LL BE DONE, BUT I'LL ALLOW FOR STAFF TO USE MY TIME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM.

I'M KIMBERLY BIZOR TOLBERT, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

WE DID REQUEST FOR THIS ITEM TO BE REJECTED.

THIS ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY DEFERRED AT THE MARCH 8TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE THE VENDOR AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE WANTED TO HAVE SOME CONTRACT CHANGES THAT WE DID NOT AGREE TO.

ON MARCH THE 26TH, WORKING THROUGH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WE WERE ADVISED THAT THE VENDOR WILL NOT AGREE TO NUMEROUS ITEMS THAT ARE IN OUR CITY'S STANDARD CONTRACT PROVISIONS.

AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REJECTION, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A CLEAN BREAK FROM THIS EXISTING VENDOR AND THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE NEXT RESPONSIBLE VENDOR AND NEGOTIATE A FINAL CONTRACT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS AND THIS IS FOR A REJECTION OF THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

ARE WE READY FOR THE VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

>> THOSE OPPOSE. THE ITEM PASSES.

NEXT AGENDA ITEM, MADAM SECRETARY.

>> AGENDA ITEM 71, IT'S AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING ONE,

[71. An ordinance authorizing (1) the issuance and sale of City of Dallas, Texas, General Obligation Refunding and Improvement Bonds, Series 2023 in an aggregate principal amount not to exceed $455,880,000; (2) levying a tax in payment thereof; (3) awarding the sale thereof and approving execution of a Purchase Agreement, a Deposit Agreement and an Escrow Agreement; (4) approving the official statement; (5) enacting other provisions relating to the subject; and (6) declaring an effective date - Not to exceed $1,040,000 - Financing: 2023 General Obligation Refunding and Improvement Bond Funds]

THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF CITY OF DALLAS, TEXAS GENERAL OBLIGATION REFUNDING AND IMPROVEMENT BONDS SERIES 2023 IN AN AGGREGATED PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $455,880,000.

TWO, LEVYING A TAX IN PAYMENT THEREOF.

THREE, AWARDING THE SALE THEREOF AND APPROVING EXECUTION OF A PURCHASE AGREEMENT, A DEPOSIT AGREEMENT, AND AN ESCROW AGREEMENT.

FOUR, APPROVING THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT.

FIVE, ENACTING OTHER PROVISIONS RELATED TO THE SUBJECT, AND SIX, DECLARING AN EFFECTIVE DATE NOT TO EXCEED $1,040,000.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> MOVED TO APPROVED.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED IN A SECOND.

>> NO, EXCUSE ME. DISCUSSION, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU. I'M MOVING FAST.

[LAUGHTER] I DIDN'T SEE THE QUEUE.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, MS. MENDELSON.

YOU RECOGNIZED THIS TIME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

>> YES, THANK YOU. I'M WANTING TO ASK I BELIEVE OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR IS VIRTUAL OR IN-PERSON.

OH, SHERI KOWALSKI IS HERE, THIS IS GOOD.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ON THE RECORD THAT THIS BOND WILL BE A CALLABLE BOND.

ALTHOUGH WE DON'T HAVE RATES IF YOU CAN TELL US WHAT CALL PERIOD YOU'RE ANTICIPATING OR CAN GUARANTEE AT A MINIMUM?

>> YES, I'M GOING TO ASK SHANNON LEE FROM PFM TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS SHE IS VIRTUAL AND CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

>> HI, MY NAME IS SHANNON LEE.

I WORK FOR PFM FINANCIAL ADVISORS, WHICH IS THE CITY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR.

WE TYPICALLY PRICED THESE BONDS WITH A 10-YEAR CALL, BUT WE DO EVALUATE ALL OPTIONS.

>> GIVEN OUR CURRENT CLIMATE, WILL YOU BE ABLE TO PRESENT? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE CITY MANAGER THAT WOULD SELECT THE ACTUAL FINANCING.

WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SECURE MAYBE A FIVE-YEAR CALL AS AN OPTION? OBVIOUSLY, THE RATE WOULD BE HIGHER, BUT IT MAY BE MORE DESIRABLE AT THIS POINT.

>> YEAH, GIVEN MARKET CONDITIONS, I THINK THAT WE WOULD STILL PROCEED WITH A 10-YEAR CALL HOWEVER, WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT EVERY OPTION POSSIBLE.

FIVE-YEAR CALLS [INAUDIBLE].

>> IT'S YOUR ASSURANCE SO THAT YOU WOULD PROVIDE AT A MINIMUM OF 10-YEAR [OVERLAPPING] OPTION ON IT.

>> YES. A 10-YEAR ON IT.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSON.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WANTS TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NO NAMES IN THE QUEUE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

AS THIS MOTION PASSES, MADAM SECRETARY, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS.

>> THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 72 IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING ONE,

[72. An ordinance authorizing (1) the issuance and sale of City of Dallas, Texas, Combination Tax and Revenue Certificates of Obligation, Series 2023 in an aggregate principal amount not to exceed $61,500,000; (2) levying a tax in payment thereof; (3) prescribing the form of said certificates; (4) approving and awarding the sale of the certificates and approving execution of a purchase agreement; (5) approving the official statement; and (6) enacting provisions incident and relating to the subject - Not to exceed $235,000 - Financing: 2023 Certificates of Obligation Funds]

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THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF CITY OF DALLAS, TEXAS COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2023 IN AN AGGREGATE PRINCIPAL AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $61,500,000.

TWO, LEVYING A TAX IN PAYMENT THEREOF.

THREE, PRESCRIBING THE FORM OF SAID CERTIFICATES.

FOUR, APPROVING AND AWARDING THE SALE OF THE CERTIFICATES AND APPROVING EXECUTION OF A PURCHASE AGREEMENT.

FIVE, APPROVING THE OFFICIAL STATEMENT, AND SIX, ENACTING PROVISIONS, INCIDENTS, AND RELATING TO THE SUBJECT NOT TO EXCEED $235,000.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM SECRETARY. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> MOVED TO APPROVED.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> DISCUSSION?

>> COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSON.

>> THANK YOU. SHERI, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.

THE LAST ONE WAS ABOUT A BOND, THIS ONE IS A CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD AGAIN CONFIRM THAT WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AT A MINIMUM 10-YEAR, BUT PERHAPS IS AS LITTLE AS A FIVE-YEAR CALL.

>> YES. I'M GOING TO REACH OUT TO SHANNON LEE AGAIN TO EXPLAIN THAT AS WELL.

>> YES. AGAIN, BASED ON MARKET CONDITIONS, WE TYPICALLY WON'T GO WITH A 10-YEAR CALL.

BUT IF MARKET CONDITIONS AGREE WITH US, IT IS POSSIBLE [OVERLAPPING] FOR A FIVE-YEAR CALL.

>> I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME, MA'AM.

EXCUSE ME, SECRETARY, COULD YOU ADVISE HER TO SPEAK UP, WE CAN'T HEAR.

>> OH, YES. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT DUE TO MARKET CONDITIONS, WE TYPICALLY ISSUE THESE BONDS WITH A 10-YEAR CALL.

HOWEVER, WE WILL DEFINITELY EVALUATE FOR A FIVE-YEAR CALL IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

WE ARE EVALUATING THE OPTION RIGHT NOW WITH THE HELP OF OUR PRICING GROUP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I KNOW TO GET A FIVE-YEAR IS HARDER, BUT WE NEED YOUR HARD WORK IN THIS MARKET SO THAT WE CAN SAVE OUR TAXPAYERS SOME MONEY. THANK YOU.

>> OH, DEFINITELY.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SHERI, COME BACK, PLEASE.

THIS ITEM IS ABOUT CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION THAT BONDS.

WHAT IS THE GENERAL LENGTH OR DURATION OF THESE CERTIFICATES AND WHY ARE YOU FINANCING $61.5 MILLION WITH CEOS INSTEAD OF WITH BONDS?

>> I'M GOING TO REFER TO SHANNON ON THAT QUESTION, BUT IN GENERAL, THIS WOULD BE ALL AT HER ANSWER AND THEN I CAN FILL IN.

>> YES. HI, THIS IS SHANNON AGAIN.

THE TERM OF THESE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WILL BE 10-YEAR, SO THE FINAL MATURITY WILL BE ON FEBRUARY 15TH, 2033.

I WILL LET SHERI DESCRIBE WHY WE ARE USING SEALS.

>> MAKE SURE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS HOW THIS WAS BUDGETED AND IT'S ALSO AN ABILITY TO WORK IN THE MARKET TO GET A BETTER RATE 4 FOR THOSE ITEMS. I BELIEVE THIS IS FOR PUBLIC WORKS ITEMS. I'M GOING TO ALSO ASK JENNY KURTZMAN TO COME UP AND ASSIST OR JEANNETTE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. JEANNETTE [INAUDIBLE] DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THIS IS A PLANNED ISSUANCE.

IN THE FISCAL YEAR '23 BUDGET, WE ASSUMED THAT WE WERE ISSUED ABOVE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS TO FINISH OUR WORK IN THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM AND WE ALSO INCLUDED 61 MILLION FOR US STREET WORK.

THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION WILL HELP US TO CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT STREET PROJECTS SO THAT WE CAN LOWER THE DEGRADATION THAT'S HAPPENING.

>> ARE THESE PROJECTS THAT WILL BE FUNDED FROM ITEM 72, REVENUES NOT COVERED IN THE 2017 BOND ISSUE?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. THESE ARE PROJECTS IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S COVERED IN THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM.

>> WILL THESE ULTIMATELY BE REFINANCED WITH BONDS, OR WILL WE JUST PAY THEM OFF FROM GENERAL REVENUES IN THAT 10-YEAR PERIOD?

>> THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION ARE FUNDED OVER A 10-YEAR PERIOD AND WE ARE USING THE DEBT SERVICE PORTION OF THE TAX RATE TO PAY THOSE OFF, SO THERE IS NO REFUNDING.

THE BOND ARE 10-YEAR BONDS.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER REALLY. ANY OTHER QUESTION? I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

ARE WE READY NOW FOR THE VOTE? THANK YOU SO MUCH, STAFF.

WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.

THE MOTION IS PASSED. MADAM SECRETARY, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WE ARE NOW READY TO MOVE TO YOUR ZONING AGENDA.

MADAM MAYOR, AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED ON ITEM Z1.

[Z1. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a Specific Use Permit for an alcoholic beverage establishment limited to a bar, lounge, or tavern use on property zoned Tract A within Planned Development District No. 269, the Deep Ellum/Near East Side District, on the north side of Main Street at the terminus of Pryor Street, between North Good Latimer Expressway and North Crowdus Street]

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>> COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED THAT THIS TIME ON Z1. WE'RE READY FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO DEFER TO THE ZONING MATTER UNTIL MAY 10, 2023.

>>THEN MOVED IN SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

THOSE OPPOSE, SAME SIGN.

MOTION PASSES.

MADAM SECRETARY WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

>> THANK YOU. WE'LL NOW MOVE TO YOUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA.

YOUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTED OF ITEMS Z1-Z3.

ITEMS Z1, WHICH IS PREVIOUSLY DEFERRED.

THEREFORE YOUR ZONING CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF ITEMS Z2 AND Z3.

I'LL READ THOSE ITEMS INTO THE RECORD.

I'M SORRY, Z2. LET ME RESTATE THAT.

[Z2. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting an amendment to Planned Development District No. 103, on the east line of Pastor Bailey Drive, north of West Camp Wisdom Road]

YOU'RE ZONING CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF THE BOTTOM Z1 AND Z2 ITEMS Z1 WAS PREVIOUSLY DEFERRED.

I'LL READ ITEMS Z2 INTO THE RECORD.

ITEMS Z2 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AND AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 103 ON THE EAST LINE OF PASTURE BAILEY DRIVE NORTH OF CAMP WISDOM ROAD.

THERE ARE NO REGISTER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON CONSENT ITEM Z2? NO SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO COMMENTS IN THE QUEUE.

WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR.

AYE AND THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

MADAM SECRETARY, THIS ITEM PASSES, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEMS. ITEMS Z3 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING

[Z3. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a Planned Development District on property zoned an IR Industrial Research District and an IM Industrial Manufacturing District on the southeast corner of West Commerce Street and Neal Street]

A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF WEST COMMERCE STREET AND NEAL STREET.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 82 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THEORY OF REQUESTS.

WE RECEIVED TWO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUESTS.

>> YOU DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AFTER WHICH WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, THE IN-PERSON PUBLIC FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS.

MARIE MORIN? MARIE MORIN IS NOT PRESENT.

ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE? I SEE AN INDIVIDUAL COMING FORWARD.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME IS ROB BALDWIN, AN OFFICER AT 3904 ELM STREET SUITE B IN DALLAS.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT ONE FROM A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO A SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT, TO MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WHERE IT'S BEEN SENSITIVELY DESIGNED TO BUFFER THE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT FOR THE MORE INTENSE MULTI-FAMILY.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z3.

NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU MADAM SECRETARY. YOU KNOW I WANT TO SPEAK?

>> NO I HAVE A MOTION.

>> THE MOTION. I'M JUST MAKING SURE IT'S IN ORDER.

DO HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM NOVARTIS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?

>> YES. YOU'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED AT THIS TIME, DEPUTY MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPER AS WELL AS ROB BALDWIN AND YOUR TEAM, DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT HAVE REACHED OUT ABOUT THIS ZONING CHANGE.

THIS IS ON WEST COMMERCE, JUST EAST OF SULLIVAN, WHICH IS I KNOW MS. SCHULTZ IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA.

BEFORE SHE WAS AT COUNCIL MEMBER SHE WAS IN PLANNING COMMISSION.

WHEN MY PLAN COMMISSIONER TO RECUSE HERSELF, MY PLANNING COMMISSIONER TO RECUSE HERSELF AGAIN AS WELL ON THIS CASE.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A GREAT JOB AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS ONE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THE FOURTH MAYBE THE FIFTH DEVELOPER TO ATTEMPT DOING SOMETHING HERE AND THE FIRST TIME EVER, WELL, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE HOPEFULLY COLLEAGUES.

ENABLED TO TAKE THIS INDUSTRIAL AREA AT THE END OF THE STREET WAS ONCE SEEN AS BATCH PLANTS, BIG SHIPPING AREAS, BIG GIANT TRUCKS, AND TO BRING IN RESIDENTIAL THAT IS HIGHLY NEEDED.

THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND WEST DALLAS, THIS IS WHAT THEY DESERVE AFTER HAVING DECADES UPON DECADES OF INDUSTRIAL POLLUTION DUMPED ON TOP OF THEM AND SO THIS IS A GREAT ZONING CHANGE.

LARGE TREES, GREEN SPACE.

IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN HERE TO THIS AREA, THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE CALL LA LOMA,

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WHICH TRANSLATES TO THE HILL IN SPANISH.

ITS HAD ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT NAMES, BUT IT'S MOSTLY KNOWN AS LA LOMA NOW.

I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS IN ORDER TO BRING IN NEW HOUSING, MORE DEVELOPMENT.

WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY AND THESE FOLKS ARE DOING IT AND THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT. THERE WAS ONE THING.

THANK YOU, CHAIR SCHULTZ FOR ACTUALLY COMING TO ME BEFOREHAND AND ASKING SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ZONING CASE.

IF YOU'LL SEE THERE'S NOT AS MANY FRONTS ON THE FRONT FOR THE HOMES AND THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A PRETTY BUSY DARN STREETS.

THAT'LL HELP WITH QUIETNESS AND HELP PEOPLE NOT FEEL LIKE THEIR FRONT DOOR IS GOT THESE 18-WHEELERS THAT WILL BE PASSING IT FOR A LITTLE BIT UNTIL WE GET THE REST OF THIS CORRIDOR CHANGE.

THEN TO STAFF AND MR. CITY MANAGER IN THE FUTURE, WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO DO SOME STUFF WITH THIS STREET.

HOPEFULLY IN THE BOND ELECTION, AS IT BECOMES MORE RESIDENTIAL, MORE COMMERCIAL, WE NEED WALKABILITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS HERE YET.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT IT'S REALLY COOL BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SINGLE, OR YOU HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE TOP AND THE SIDE OF THE HILL AND HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR FIRST MULTI-FAMILY ON THIS SIDE OF THE HILL AND ON THE FORT WORTH AVENUE SIDE OF THE HILL, WE ALREADY HAVE OUR FIRST TIME.

IT'S ALMOST BEING DONE ACTUALLY SECOND, DEVELOPMENT OF SENIOR HOUSING.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT COMPLEMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HILL WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING MULTI-FAMILY INTO AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THERE.

AS I STATED EARLIER, DISTRICT 6, WEST DALLAS, WE'RE A YIMBY NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE YIMBY AS WE GO FORWARD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM.

THERE ARE NO OTHER NAMES IN THE QUEUE.

BUT SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED NAY.

THE ITEM PASSES.

MADAM SECRETARY WILL PREPARE FOR THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS.

>> ITEM Z4 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING

[Z4. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a Planned Development District for TH-2(A) Townhouse District and R-5(A) Single Family District uses on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District on the southeast line of Edd Road, between Garden Grove Drive and Sullivan Road]

A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR TH-2A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT AND R-5A SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF ED ROAD BETWEEN GARDEN GROVE DRIVE AND SULLIVAN ROAD.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 60 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE AREA REQUEST.

WE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN OUR FAVOR AND SIX REPLIES IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUESTS.

>> YOU DO HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

SI ABED. SI ABED. IS NOT PRESENT.

CORINNE ROBERTSON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CORINNE ROBERTSON AND I AM HERE WORKING WITH A DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT.

>> I'M SORRY, MR. ROBINSON.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR VIDEO IS DISPLAYING? WOULD YOU PLEASE TURN ON YOUR VIDEO? WE CAN SEE YOU.

>> CAN I SHARE THE SCREEN?

>> NO. I'M SORRY.

YOU MAY CONTINUE.

>> CAN I SHARE A SCREEN?

>> NO. I'M SORRY, MS. ROBERTSON.

NO. YOU CANNOT DISPLAY.

AS THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M SORRY YOU MUST BE.

[BACKGROUND]

>> YOU GOT TO [INAUDIBLE].

>> NOT A PROBLEM.

>> THANK YOU. THE CITY COUNCIL MUST SEE YOU AT ALL TIMES DURING YOUR COMMENTS.

>> NOT A PROBLEM. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF ON THIS PROJECT FOR PROBABLY ABOUT THREE YEARS AND I WANTED TO THANK THE COMMISSIONER AND THE PLANNING STAFF FOR GETTING US TO THIS POINT WHERE WE HAVE COME TO A CONSENSUS WHERE THEY ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

THIS PROJECT WILL ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING SOME ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOME OWNERSHIP IN THIS AREA AND SOME MUCH-NEEDED DENSITY THAT HOPEFULLY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY CITY SERVICES, BUT MORE RETAIL.

THIS IS THE THIRD PIECE OF A THREE-PHASE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE IN THE AREA.

WE DO HAVE A SINGLE-FAMILY ADJACENT TO THIS AND ALSO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.

I WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS CHANGE AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM, ITEM Z4.

THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS, ARE YOU BRINGING FORTH THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> MOVED AND SECONDED. FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL MEMBER.

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>> JUST A SIMPLE DISCUSSION.

IT WAS PROVEN A SUBSTITUTE TO THE CONSUMPTION PLAN AND RECOMMENDATION IN BUFFALO WAS DONE AND THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN WAS DONE.

>> THANK YOU. NO OTHER COMMENTS NOTED IN THE QUEUE. WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES. MADAM SECRETARY, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM.

>> THANK YOU. ITEM Z5 IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AN AMENDMENT TO

[Z5. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting an amendment to Planned Development District No. 633, on the north line of Northaven Road, east of Dennis Road]

PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 633 ON THE NORTH LINE OF NORTHAVEN ROAD, EAST OF DENNIS ROAD.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SEND 93 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS.

WE RECEIVED THREE REPLIES IN FAVOR AND SIX REPLIES IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUESTS.

>> THERE ARE NO REGISTER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM, BUT THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S IN THE AUDIENCE.

YOU'D BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> CARL CRAWLEY 2201 MAIN STREET DALLAS, TEXAS REPRESENTING THE DISD.

THIS IS MARCUS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THIS IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN OUR NORMAL LAST MO.

WE WILL BE BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL BUILDING ON THIS SITE AND THEN WE WILL DEMO MOST OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.

THERE IS A WING THAT WAS BUILT IN THE 2008 BOND PROGRAM THAT WILL BE INTEGRATED INTO THIS BUILDING.

I THINK ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENT OF ALL THAT, BESIDES GETTING A WHOLE NEW FACILITY OBVIOUSLY IS A WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND FOR THE STUDENTS IS THE FACT THAT MATES, LIKE THE OTHER SCHOOLS, NOT LIKE THE NEXT ONE, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC ON CAMPUS VERSUS TODAY, MOST OF THE QUEUING IS PROBABLY ON NORTH HAVEN AND OTHER PLACES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT NOW WHEN WE'RE REDESIGNING THE SCHOOL FROM SCRATCH, BASICALLY THE CAMPUS, WE CAN CUE THE VEHICLES ONSITE.

I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FEATURE TO THIS SCHOOL THAT WE CAN NOW QUEUE THE PARENTS AND PICK UP IN THE AFTERNOON ON CAMPUS, SO WE HAVE OTHER DISD REPRESENTATIVES HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

BUT I'M ALSO HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM C5. NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY, COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, WILL YOU BRING IT FORTH THAT MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> I AM. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS?

>> I JUST WANT TO CALL OUT THE POINT THAT MR. CRAWLEY MADE ABOUT CARS QUEUING ON CAMPUS.

THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT ON THIS CAMPUS.

THIS IS A TRUE NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL.

THERE ARE NO BUSES THAT COME TO THIS SCHOOL BECAUSE IT IS PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WHO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL AND WHO SEND THEIR CHILDREN THERE.

THEY EITHER WALK OR THEY DRIVE.

I ALSO WANT TO COMMEND DISD AND BRENT ALFRED FOR ENGAGING THE SPANISH-SPEAKING COMMUNITY THAT HAD SOME QUESTIONS WHEN THEY GOT THEIR NOTIFICATION AND TOOK THOUGHTFUL TIME TO BE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THE SCHOOL WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND HOW IT WAS GOING TO BE EVOLVE AND BE SO MUCH BETTER AND STRONGER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THEIR CHILDREN.

OBVIOUSLY, I SUPPORT THIS.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? NOTING, I'M NOT SEEING ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IS IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE QUEUE.

WE READY FOR THE VOTE NOW.

>> ANY OPPOSE? MOTION CARRIES, MADAM SECRETARY, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

>> ITEM Z6 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE

[Z6. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a Specific Use Permit for a public school other than an open-enrollment charter school on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District bounded by Raydell Place, Schooldell Drive, Ouida Avenue, and South Barnett Avenue]

GRANTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY RADIO PLAYS SCHOOL DEL DRIVE, OVETA AVENUE, AND SOUTH BARNETT AVENUE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 64 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS.

WE RECEIVED FOUR REPLIES IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUESTS.

>> THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS? I'VE SEEN INDIVIDUAL COMING FORWARD.

BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

>> CARL CRAWLEY, 22 ON MAIN STREET, REPRESENTATIVE DSC.

THIS IS P BODY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

THIS CAMPUS IS LIKE THREE ACRES WITH AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

IT WAS BUILT PROBABLY IN THE 30S IF NOT BEFORE THAT.

I KNOW WE HAD A FUN TIME FIGURING OUT THE PLATINUM AND THE ORIGINAL TAX PLATS AND STUFF FROM THE TURN OF THE CENTURY.

THE INNER URBAN WENT BY THERE OR SOMETHING EVEN.

I ALWAYS ENJOY LOOKING AT THOSE OLD PLATS AND SEEING THAT SITUATION AND NONE OF THE STREETS WHAT THEY ARE TODAY.

IN THIS SITUATION, THOSE STUDENTS, THE CHILDREN AT THIS SCHOOL HAVE ALREADY BEEN RELOCATED TEMPORARILY TO WHAT WAS THE EDISON MIDDLE SCHOOL CAMPUS IN WEST DALLAS.

THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT TO HAVE THEIR NEW SCHOOL BACK.

ONCE THIS IS APPROVED, WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THAT.

THIS CAMPUS WILL DEMOLISH COMPLETELY AND A BRAND NEW SCHOOL WILL BE PUT IN ITS PLACE.

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I'D LOVE TO SAY, LIKE IN THE LAST SCHOOL, WE COULD CUE EVERYBODY ON CANVAS.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S A THREE ACRE SITE.

ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE USUALLY EIGHT OR MORE.

THE EXISTING PATTERN, WHICH IS QUEUING AROUND THE FOUR STREETS ARE STILL IN PLACE.

THERE IS ONE BUS THAT SERVES THIS LOCATION AND WE'VE NOW HAD A PARKING LOT.

UNTIL RECENTLY, THE TEACHERS AND STAFF HAD TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET IN A CHURCH PARKING LOT.

WE NOW HAVE DESIGNED AS SUCH THAT WE CAN GET THE PARKING ON CAMPUS, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY GOOD FOR THE STAFF TO HAVE A SECURE LOCATION ON CAMPUS.

I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US AT THE LAST, THE 13TH HOUR, IF NOT THE 14TH HOUR, IN REARRANGING SOME DESIGN TO GET SOME OF THE SERVICE AREA BETTER SCREEN FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A VERY SMALL SITE THAT'S VERY SKINNY AND GET A LOT OF SLOPE ON IT.

WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF SCHOOL, BUT WE WANT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

BECAUSE THIS TRULY IS ALSO A NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL WITH A LOT OF STUDENTS THAT WALKED TO THIS CAMPUS.

WE'RE PROUD TO COME UP FOR YOU WITH A DESIGN THAT WE THINK SOLVES ALL OF THOSE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM C6. NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY.

COUNCIL WOMAN BLACKMON, I BELIEVE YOU'RE BRINGING FORTH THIS MOTION ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

>> YES, MA'AM, THAT'S CORRECT.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

>> BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

FURTHER COMMENTS COUNCIL WOMAN.

>> I HAVE A FEW THAT MR. WEST WANTED ME TO SHARE.

A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HE IS EXCITED ABOUT AND AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, STUDENTS DO WALK TO THIS CAMPUS.

PRIOR TO ANY ISSUANCE OF A CEO, THERE WILL BE SIX-FOOT WIDE, UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALKS WITH A MINIMUM FIVE-FOOT WIDE BUFFER.

THAT'S ALONG THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF ALL THE STREET FRONTAGES.

AS IN ADDITION, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES SUCH AS BENCH TRASH RECIPROCALS AND BIKE RACKS WILL BE ALONG THIS ROUTE.

HE WANTED ME TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS EXPLAINED THAT THERE WOULD BE ENTICING AMENITIES FOR THOSE THAT ARE WALKING TO THE SCHOOL.

WITH THAT, I HOPE WE CAN GET YOUR SUPPORT.

>> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION NOTED.

>> ANY OPPOSE? THIS ITEM PASSES, MADAM SECRETARY.

WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM.

>> AGENDA ITEM Z7 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE

[Z7. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a Specific Use Permit for a public school other than an open-enrollment charter school on property zoned an R-7.5(A) Single Family District on property bound by South Polk Street, Reynoldston Lane, Regatta Drive, and Drury Drive]

GRANTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY SOUTH POLK STREET REYNOLDSTON LANE, REGATTA DRIVE, INJURY DRIVE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 151 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 400 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

WE RECEIVED 11 REPLIES IN FAVOR AND SIX REPLIES IN OPPOSITION OF THE REQUEST.

>> THERE ARE NO REGISTER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

PLEASE C OME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME.

>> CARL CRAWLEY, 22 OF MAIN STREET.

THIS IS AT WELL, AS I KNEW IT WHEN I WAS IN THE GISD AT-WILL MIDDLE SCHOOL, JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL SORRY, OLD-SCHOOL, ALSO KNOWN AS JUDGE LOUIS BEDFORD LAW ACADEMY, THIS IS MORE RESEMBLES THE MARCUS ACADEMY IN THAT SENSE THAT WE ARE BUILDING A NEW CAMPUS, NEW SCHOOL, NEW BUILDINGS, AND THEN REMOVING THE OLD BUILDING.

AGAIN, IT MUCH LIKE MARCUS, NOW WITH THE NEW DESIGN, WE CAN CUE PEOPLE ON THE STREET.

THIS IS AN ACADEMY, AND I'VE TALKED TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT ACADEMIES, WHICH MEANS IT'S OPEN TO THE WHOLE DISTRICT BASICALLY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF BUSES THAT SERVE THIS BRING THEM FROM THEIR HOME SCHOOLS TO THIS CAMPUS.

NOW WE'VE SET UP AN AREA THAT WE CAN CUE THOSE BUSES ON CAMPUS, WHICH IS ALWAYS GOOD BECAUSE THERE'S 10 OR MORE BUSES THAT SERVE THIS CAMPUS, IF NOT MORE, BUT WE CAN CUE THOSE ON CAMPUS, WHICH IS GOOD OBVIOUSLY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND JUST AS IF NOT MORE IMPORTANT FOR OUR STUDENTS TO BE ABLE TO SAFETY OF QUEUING ON CAMPUS.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A LOVELY SCHOOL.

WE HAD SOME NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND THEY ALL WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT, SO WE ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THEIR STAFF AND PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDATION. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM, ITEM C7.

I'VE HEARD THE SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY, COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THE MOTION BUT FOR APPROVAL?

>> YES. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES, RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> BEEN MOVED IN SECOND FOR THE DISCUSSION COUNCIL MEMBER?

>> YES. AS IT'S CALLED STATED, THIS IS FOR SCHOOL WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS ADWELL, IT'S NOW NAMED AFTER JUDGE LOUIS BEDFORD.

IT'S BEEN IN THAT OAK CLIFF COMMUNITY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

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MANY STUDENTS WHO ATTENDED THAT SCHOOL HAS GONE ON TO BECOME ATTORNEYS, AND SO IT BEING A MIDDLE SCHOOL AND ACADEMY LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME ATTORNEYS.

BEDFORD HAS BEEN A VERY STRONG ACADEMIC SCHOOL FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT HAD BEEN A SCHOOL THAT WAS THE FED INTO CARTER HIGH SCHOOL.

I WANT TO DEFINITELY TAKE A MINUTE AND THANK THE TEAM THAT IS HERE FOR WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HATE HE LEFT A LITTLE BIT EARLY, BUT I WANT TO THANK DOMINIC ALEXANDER.

DOMINIC INTRODUCED ME TO BRENT.

MANY YEARS AGO, SO THIS IS LONG TIME COMING, AND BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, TWIN OAKS, WHO LIVES RIGHT AROUND THE SCHOOL, MANY OF THEIR CHILDREN WENT TO THE SCHOOL WHEN IT WAS ADWELL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR ABOUT THIS, SO IT'D BE ABLE TO GET A NEW SCHOOL AT THAT LOCATION IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY EXCITING AND I ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU, MISS MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER AND I WILL WEIGH IN.

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE QUEUE, BUT THIS JUDGE, THIS PARTICULAR SCHOOL, BEDFORD, NOW FORMALLY KNOWN AS ADWELL, NOT ONLY SERVE THE TWIN OAKS COMMUNITY, HAS SERVED THE GLEN OAKS COMMUNITY, AND SO IT ALSO STUDENTS LEFT FROM THIS PARTICULAR SCHOOL AND ALSO WENT TO THE VARNA.

YOU'LL TELL ME YOU MAGNET CENTER AS WELL BECAUSE OF THE LAW MAGNET CONNECTION THERE.

I DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK, ALSO NOTE THAT THERE'S MUCH WORK HAS BEEN DONE ALSO BY THE BOARD TRUSTEE GEORGE FOREMAN.

THERE ARE NO FURTHER NAMES IN THE QUEUE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE? THIS ITEM PASSES.

WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ITEM Z8 IS A PUBLIC HEARING

[Z8. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a new subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 1, on the south line of Forest Lane, west of Eastern Avenue]

AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A NEW SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 ON THE SOUTH LINE OF FOREST LANE WEST OF EASTERN AVENUE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 47 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS.

WE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND 15 REPLIES.

[OVERLAPPING].

>> COULD YOU SPEAK UP, WE CAN HARDLY HEAR YOU.

>> LET'S SEE.

>> WE SENT 47 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS.

WE RECEIVED ONE REPLY AND FAVOR AND 15 REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

>> YOU DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM AFTER WHICH WILL BE OPEN TO THE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS, OR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE.

YOUR SPEAKER IS ANDREW WEG.

YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. YOU MAY BEGIN.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ANDREW WEG, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, AND 5201.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST.

THE IMPETUS TO THIS REZONING IS FOR THEM TO PUT THEIR NEW BANK HEADQUARTERS AT THIS LOCATION AT 5310 FOREST LANE.

THIS IS FORMERLY A CAPITAL ONE BANK THAT WAS MORE GEARED TOWARD AUTOMATED OR AUTOMOTIVE USES WITH THE ATMS, THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN DRIVE THROUGH ATM'S EXISTING ON THE SITE.

WHAT THE AMERICAN NATIONAL BANK AND TRUST PLANS TO DO IS MAKE THIS MORE OF A OFFICE LOCATION, TAKE THE DRIVE THROUGH BANKING COMPONENT DOWN TO JUST TWO LANES.

THEY WILL HAVE A SMALL RETAIL BANKING COMPONENT, BUT AS I'M SURE, YOU ALL KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T HAVING TO PHYSICALLY GO TO THE BANK AS MUCH ANYMORE.

THIS IS MORE OF AN OFFICE-TYPE USE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

THE REASON THAT WE HAD TO AMEND THE ZONING FOR THIS IS PD NUMBER 1, THE VERY FIRST PD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS A RATHER STRICT PARKING REQUIREMENT OF ONE PER 250.

WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IN THE ZONING IS THIS PARKING REQUIREMENT TO BE ONE PER 333,333 TO ALIGN WITH THE CURRENT 51 AND 51 A CODE.

ESSENTIALLY BRINGING IT UP TO TODAY'S STANDARDS.

THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, WE DID HAVE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS, PARTICULARLY THE SINGLE-FAMILY OWNERS, DIRECTLY TO THE REAR OF OUR SITE.

THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE ADDED ELEMENTS TO OUR PDES, SUCH AS INCREASED LANDSCAPING, OBSCURE WINDOWS TO PREVENT ANY VISIBILITY FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THIS,

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AND BUILDING LIGHTING, PROVISIONS, GARBAGE, HOURS OF OPERATION, AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURE, TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS A COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS.

WITH THAT, I DO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THIS, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD THERE BE ANY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z8 NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM SECRETARY.

COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, YOU HAVE THE MOTION FOR THIS APPROVAL?

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CHANGE IN SUB-DISTRICT 1, ALL SOUTH-FACING WINDOWS MUST BE OPAQUE.

>> MOVING IN SECOND, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILWOMAN, NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THIS ITEM PASSES. NEXT ITEM.

>> ITEM Z9 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND

[Z9. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a Specific Use Permit for a tower/antenna for cellular communication on property zoned Subdistrict 3 within Planned Development District No. 317, the Cedars Area Special Purpose District, on the west line of Cadiz Street, north of Botham Jean Boulevard]

AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION ON PROPERTY ON THE WEST LINE OF CUDDY'S STREET NORTH OF BOTH AND JEAN BOULEVARD.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 12 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS, WE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLACING OUR POSITION OF THE REQUESTS.

>> YOU DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

VINCENT HUEBINGER?

>> NOW, IT'S ON. THANK YOU.

MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS VINCE HEBREW HERE.

I'M WITH VINCENT GIRARD AND ASSOCIATES REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

>> COULD YOU SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE OF FOR US SIR TO THE MICROPHONE?

>> ADDRESS IS 1705 CAROLINA LN, AUSTIN, TEXAS.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

THE CITY CLERK PASSED OUT A POWERPOINT AND I CAN'T GET MY IPAD TO LINK UP, SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO IT THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.

FOLLOW ME WITH THIS.

WE HAVE RIGHT AWAY CONDEMNATION RELOCATION SITE THAT IS BEHIND ALL OF YOU ABOUT A BLOCK AND A HALF.

IT FOCUSES ON I30 I35 INTERCHANGE AND THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A CRITICAL COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY.

IT DEPLOYS FIRST NET ALSO WHICH DALLAS PD USES.

NOT VOLUNTARY, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO TRY TO FIND A RELOCATION SITE FOR THAT AND IT'S TAKEN US ABOUT THREE YEARS.

WE DID LOOK AT MULTIPLE SITES. WE HAD 12.

WE DID THIS FOR CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

WE LOOKED AT ALL THE SITES POSSIBLE THAT COULD BE RELOCATED.

OF COURSE, YOU GOT TO STAY IN A REAL SMALL AREA TO COVER THE SAME VICINITY.

WE LOOKED AT THE ROOFTOPS IN THE AREA.

WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING POSSIBLE AND THANK GOODNESS [INAUDIBLE] OFFERED US A PIECE OF THEIR RIGHT-OF-WAY TO RELOCATE.

WHEN WE DID MEET WITH THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD FOLKS, WE AGREED TO PUT IN SOME MORE LANDSCAPING AND SOME NICE FENCING AROUND THE SITE AND WE DID EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY COULD TO MAKE THIS THING CONTINUE TO BE A CRITICAL COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z9. THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. MADAM SECRETARY, COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO, YOU PREPARE IT FOR THE MOTION.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, THE SUP EXPIRES IN FIVE YEARS WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.

>> I'M SORRY. IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU.

IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF, SO I'LL JUST ASK THE QUESTION.

WHOEVER CAN ANSWER CAN COME UP.

THAT IS IS THERE A REASON THAT WE CAN'T PUT TOWERS LIKE THIS ON, SAY, THE TOP OF THE POLICE STATION OR SOMEWHERE ELSE SO THAT IT'S NOT IN THE PUBLIC EYE?

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL WOMAN. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WE ARE ON TOP OF ALL OF THE ROOFTOPS DOWNTOWN.

THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY WAS TRYING TO REACH DOWN INTO THE INTERSTATE AND ACROSS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND EACH ONE HAS A SPECIFIC COVERAGE.

WE'RE ON MULTIPLE ROOFTOPS AROUND THE CITY OF YOU IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, YOU CAN BARELY SEE THEM.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO MORE FREQUENTLY THAN MORE TOWERS.

>> IF I MAY, COUNCIL WOMAN SCHULTZ AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR THIS FOR IT TO BE A FIVE-YEAR AS MORE GROWTH HAPPENS IN

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THE CEDARS TO LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AS THEY ARISE.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE IN THE QUEUE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED SAME SIGN.

THE MOTION PASSES.

THAT ITEM PASSES.

WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS.

>> THANK YOU. ITEM Z10 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING THE RENEWAL OF

[Z10. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting the renewal of Specific Use Permit No. 2398 for the sale of alcoholic beverages in conjunction with a general merchandise or food store greater than 3,500 square feet on property zoned a CR Community Retail District with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay at the northwest corner of Lake June Road and North Masters Drive]

SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2398 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOODS STORE GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET ON PROPERTY AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LAKE JUNE ROAD AND NORTH MASTERS DRIVE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 74 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 400 FEET OF THE AREA AND REQUEST.

WE RECEIVED A ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR OF THE REQUESTS AND FIVE REPLIES IN OPPOSITION.

>> YOU DO HAVE TO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

CATHERINE CHAMPEY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> YES. YOU MAY CONTINUE.

>> HI. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

MY NAME IS CATHERINE CHAMPEY, ADDRESS 511 WEST 7TH STREET IN AUSTIN, TEXAS 78701.

I REPRESENT FIESTA MART LLC IN THE APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL OF SUP 2398, AS WELL AS THE REQUESTS FOR FIVE-YEAR AUTO RENEWALS GOING FORWARD FROM THIS POINT.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS IS A RENEWAL OF AN EXISTING SUP.

THERE WILL BE NO CHANGES TO EXISTING OPERATIONS, NO CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN.

IT'LL JUST BE A CONTINUATION OF THE TYPE OF SERVICE HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY THIS LOCATION FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO GOING FORWARD.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME IN ALLOWING US TO PRESENT AND SEEK THIS RENEWAL AND THIS REQUEST FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, MYSELF AND MISS FUENTES, WHO WAS THE SECOND SPEAKER HERE TODAY, ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, DID YOU HAVE ANY.

AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE WOULD ASK KINDLY IF YOU COULD APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.

>> THANK YOU. CONSUELA FUENTES.

PLEASE TURN YOUR MIC. IT'S A BUTTON ON YOUR MICROPHONE. YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

>> HI. I'M CONSUELA FUENTES REPRESENTING FIESTA MART OF THE ADDRESS 2323 WIRT ROAD AND REPRESENTING THE FIESTA THAT'S LOCATED ON JUNE LAKE REGARDING OUR RENEWAL FOR ALCOHOL SALES.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS?

>> NO, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT.

ARE THERE ARE MANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z10.

>> HELLO, HOW ARE YOU DOING?

>> THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS.

>> I'M A SPEAKER.

>> MADAM MADAM MAYOR, HE ONLY HAD TWO REGISTERS SPEAKERS.

THOSE INDIVIDUALS DID ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL AND THERE WERE NO IN-PERSON SPEAKER.

>> WILL THERE BE A TIME FOR?

>> [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE READY FOR THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

COUNCIL MEMBER DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?

>> NO DISCUSSION.

>> NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

THE ITEM PASSES. WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM MADAM SECRETARY.

>> THANK YOU. ITEMS Z11 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AND

[Z11. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting an MU-1 Mixed Use District and a resolution accepting deed restrictions volunteered by the applicant on property zoned an IR Industrial Research District, on the west line of Dennis Road at the terminus of Sundial Drive, between Northaven Road and Satsuma Drive]

MU-1 MIXED-USE DISTRICT AND A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ON THE WEST LINE OF DENNIS ROAD AT THE TERMINUS OF SUNDIAL DRIVE BETWEEN NORTHAVEN ROAD AND SATSUMA DRIVE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 37 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

WE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

>> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTER SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS? I SEE AN INDIVIDUAL COMING FORWARD.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. YOU'D BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES.

>> CARL CRAWLEY 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.

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I'M NOT REPRESENTING THE DISD.

THIS PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS BETWEEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

WHO THOUGHT? THE NEW OWNER WOULD LIKE THIS AT THIS TIME TO BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO WITH IT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z11.

THERE ARE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU MADAM SECRETARY.

DEPUTY MAYOR, PRO TEM. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM?

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO DENY THIS ITEM WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. ANY DISCUSSION COUNCIL MEMBERS?

>> EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID.

THEY REQUESTED IT, SO LET'S DO WHAT THEY WANT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. SEEING NO IDENTIFICATIONS OF ANY DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> THOSE OPPOSED. NAY. THIS ITEM PASSES.

MADAM SECRETARY, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

>> ITEM Z12 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING

[Z12. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting a Specific Use Permit for a tower/antenna for cellular communication on property zoned on property zoned Subarea 2 within Planned Development District No. 366, the Buckner Boulevard Special Purpose District, with a D-1 Liquor Control Overlay, on the west line of Conner Drive between Bruton Road and Stonehurst Street]

A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION ON PROPERTY ON THE WEST LINE OF CONNER DRIVE BETWEEN BRUTON ROAD AND STONE HART STREET.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SEND 56 NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUEST.

WE RECEIVED FOUR REPLIES IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION.

>> YOU DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, ALLAN SIBLEY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ALLAN SIBLEY.

I'VE WORKED FOR BROADER SERVICES REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, VERIZON WIRELESS.

>> I'M SORRY. YES, WE CAN SEE. YOU MAY CONTINUE.

>> MY ADDRESS IS 4 COUNTRY PLAY CIRCLE, ARLINGTON, TEXAS 76016.

FOR THIS TOWER LOCATION, WE'VE WORKED BOTH WITH STAFF AND THE CPC AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL LIAISON TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY'VE SET FOR SETBACKS AND SITE PLANS AND ALSO TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE RECEIVED NO FEEDBACK EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z12.

NO FURTHER SPEAKERS, MADAM MAYOR.

>> HELLO.

>> THANK YOU MADAM SECRETARY, COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ.

YOU'RE READY FOR YOUR MOTION.

>> YES, MADAM, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED TO A SECOND COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

>> NO FURTHER COMMENT.

>> NO FURTHER COMMENTS BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE.

THOSE OPPOSED. THE ITEM PASSES, MADAM SECRETARY, WE PREPARE FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

>> ITEM Z13 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING AND EXPANSION OF

[Z13. A public hearing to receive comments regarding an application for and an ordinance granting an expansion of Planned Development Subdistrict No. 138 on property zoned a GR General Retail Subdistrict within Planned Development District No. 193, the Oak Lawn Special Purpose District, on the southeast line of Vagas Street and northeast line of Maple Avenue]

PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 138 ON PROPERTY ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF VEGAS STREET IN NORTHEAST LINE OF MAPLE AVENUE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE SENT 135 NUISES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE AREA OF REQUESTS.

WE RECEIVED FOUR REPLIES IN FAVOR AND TWO REPLIES IN OPPOSITION TO THEIR REQUESTS.

>> YOU DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, DANIELLE MATTHEWS.

DANIELLE MATTHEWS IS NOT PRESENT.

YOU MAY COME FORWARD AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU MAY CONTINUE.

>> CARL CRAWLEY 220 MAIN STREET.

I SENT DANNY BACK IN THE OFFICE.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO ON THIS AND IT WAS ONE OF THOSE IDEAS LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT IDEA.

YOU KNOW HOW TO, AS YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU DON'T SEE THE FOREST.

I THINK HE'S READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I THINK WE WILL COME BACK WITH REQUESTS AND LOOK THE SAME, BUT IT'D BE BETTER IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM Z13. NO FURTHER SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR. I MOVE TO REMAND THIS ITEM TO THE STUDY PLAN COMMISSIONER, FOR BOTH TRACKS TO BE ADVERTISED AND FOR CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN FOR AN SUP FOR OPEN STORAGE ON TRACK 2.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND?

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNCIL MEMBER?

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING WITH OUR OFFICE IN TRYING TO GET A A BETTER OUTCOME OUT OF THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE'RE READY FOR THE VOTE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A RECORD VOTE.

>> BEFORE WE DO I'M SORRY MADAM MAYOR.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO GET A CLARIFYING QUESTION.

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IS THE CPC ALLOWED TO STILL CONSIDER THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF WHICH IS A FULL DENIAL OR IS THIS REMAND ONLY TO, WOULD THAT GUARANTEE THAT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER THE STORAGE HAPPENS? IT'S A STAFF QUESTION I SUPPOSE.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

USUALLY, WHEN WE HAVE CASES REMANDED IS LIKE THE CASE CAN RESTART BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDO OUR REVIEW BASED ON YOUR INSTRUCTIONS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NOTIFY AGAIN.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH A CARTE BLANCHE, BUT WITH SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

>> WILL THESE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS, ACCORDING TO THE MOTION THAT'S BEEN MADE, WILL IT STILL GIVE AN OPTION FOR STAFF TO RECOMMEND DENIAL?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL WOMAN SCHULTZ.

WE'RE NOW PREPARED FOR THE RECORD VOTE.

WE ASKED WE PREPARE FOR THE RECORD VOTES CITY SECRETARY.

>> PLEASE START VOTING. FIVE, SIX HAVE VOTED.

TEN HAVE VOTED. IT'S 11 IN THE CHAMBER GO AHEAD AND RELEASE THE VOTE.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA HOW WILL YOU BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM?

>> THANK YOU. NOTED. WITH 11 VOTING IN FAVOR.

>> MCGOUGH IS HERE TOO.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER MCGOUGH HOW WOULD YOU BE VOTING ON THIS? I'M SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER MCGOUGH WHERE IS YOUR VIDEO?

>> IT IS ON.

>> DISPLAYED. WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.

HOW'LL BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM?

>> THE REST IS A YES AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. WITH 12 VOTING IN FAVOR, ONE ABSENT AND TWO ABSOLUTE NOTE TAKEN. THE ITEM PASSES.

WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

>> ITEM PH 1 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING

[PH1. A public hearing to receive comments regarding consideration of amending Chapters 51 and 51A of the Development Code, Sections 51-4.212(13), “Service Station,” 51-4.217(b)(18), “Accessory electric vehicle charging station,” 51A-4.210(a)(19), “Motor vehicle fueling station,” and 51A-4.217(b)(1.1), “Accessory electric vehicle charging station,” and related sections with consideration to be given to appropriate zoning districts and developing appropriate standards associated with electric vehicle charging and an ordinance granting the amendments]

CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING CHAPTER 51 AND 51A OF THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, SECTION 51-4.212 13 SERVICE STATION AND 51-4.217 B18 ACCESSORY ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION 51A-4.21 0819, MOTOR VEHICLE FUELING STATION, AND 51A-4.21 71B 1.1 ACCESSORY ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION AND RELATED SECTIONS WITH CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN TO APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPING APPROPRIATE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING AND AN ORDINANCE GRANTING THE AMENDMENTS.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM PH 1.

NO SPEAKERS, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU MADAM SECRETARY.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL?

>> YES. I MOVED TO APPROVE THIS ITEM AS RECOMMENDED BY THE STATE OF PLANNING COMMISSION.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I'M REQUESTING A RECORD VOTE.

PLEASE PREPARE A SECRETARY.

>> THANK YOU. PLEASE START VOTING.

THERE'S 10 COUNCIL MEMBER IN THE CHAMBERS.

ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEY CHAMBERS HAVE VOTED COUNCIL MEMBER WEST, HOW WOULD YOU BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM?

>> I'M A YES.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MCGOUGH, HOW WILL YOU BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM?

>> THANK YOU. I'LL RELEASE THE RESULTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

HOW WE'D BE VOTING ON THIS ITEM?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

COUNCIL MEMBER, BAZALDUA CAN YOU HEAR ME? COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA? WE CANNOT HEAR YOU I'M SORRY COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA IF YOU CAN HEAR US, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA WILL YOU NODE IF YOU CAN HEAR ME? I CAN SEE HIM TALKING.

GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

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>> SEE THE SECRETARY, WOULD YOU COMMUNICATE MAYBE JUST SHAKE HIS HEAD.

>> WE SAW YOU COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA STATE YES.

FOR THE RECORD, I'LL RELEASED TO VOTE.

WITH 13 VOTING IN FAVOR, ONE ABSENT AND ONE ABSENT.

WHEN BOTH TAKEN, THE ITEM PASSES. MADAM MAYOR.

WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM.

[PH2. A public hearing to receive comments on the Proposed 2022 Amended Community Development Block Grant Disaster Recovery (CDBG-DR) Budget and draft Action Plan to accept additional CDBG-DR funds in the amount of $15,967,000, increasing the total amount to be received from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development from $24,433,000 to $40,400,000; and, at the close of the public hearing, authorize final adoption of the 2022 Amended CDBG-DR Budget and Action Plan - Financing: This action has no cost consideration to the City (see Fiscal Information)]

>> ITEM PH2 IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS ON THE PROPOSED 2022 AMENDED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT DISASTER RECOVERY CDBG-DR BUDGET AND DRAFT ACTION PLAN TO ACCEPT ADDITIONAL CDBG-DR FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $15,967,000, INCREASING THE TOTAL AMOUNT TO BE RECEIVED FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT FROM $24,433,000-$40,400,000 AND AT THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, AUTHORIZED FINAL ADOPTION OF THE 2022 AMENDED CDBG-DR BUDGET AND ACTION PLAN.

THERE ARE NO REGISTERS, SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? ITEM PH 2.

NO SPEAKERS. MADAM MAYOR.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. I SEE ONE PERSON IN THE QUEUE.

COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS.

>> THIS WAS THE ITEM THAT I HAD ASKED THAT WE TAKE MORE IN-DEPTH LOOK AT TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO PALATE HOMES OR TINY HOMES WITH THIS FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVED.

IT SOUNDS LIKE BEING VERY SPECIFIC AND AT THIS STAGE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

IT COULD BE MORE LIMITING.

HOWEVER, I THINK PHILOSOPHICALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US LOOK AT MORE TRANSITIONAL TYPE HOUSING THAT COULD HELP FILL IN THE DIRECTION WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO GO, BUT WE HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS ON THAT.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO WITH THESE FUNDS.

I WOULD ACCEPT THIS AS IT IS, BUT JUST DIRECTIONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US EXPLORE THAT.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL WOMAN.

SORRY, COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I WOULD JUST ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, SHARING THAT I TOO HAVE SUPPORT FOR EXPLORING OUR TINY HOME OR SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY, SUPPORT WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCIL WOMAN SCHULTZ [LAUGHTER]

>> I CAME AND WENT NOW I'M BACK.

THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, IF I MAY.

PROBABLY CHRISTINE AS WELL AS GEORGINA, BOTH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS, THE BEST WAY TO DEPLOY THESE FUNDS IS TO HAVE THINGS THAT ARE "SHOVEL-READY" AS OF THAT CONCEPT BEHIND THE DEPLOY A PARTICULAR OF THE HOUSING ASPECT OF IT.

>> JEANNETTE, WE HAVE INTERACTED WITH BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

THESE ARE HARD DISASTER FUNDS AND SO IT'S REALLY A RESPONSE TO THE DISASTER.

IN TERMS OF SHOVEL-READY, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALLOCATE THE FUNDING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, THE MAJORITY OF IT.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> YEAH. KIND IT DID.

I SPOKE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH MS. CROSSLEY ABOUT IT.

DO YOU WANT TO JUST ELABORATE SO THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT YOUR VISION IS FOR THE USE OF THESE FUNDS?

>> YES. CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.

WE JUST TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT USING THIS TO MEET THE EXISTING NEED IN PROJECTS THAT CAN BUILD FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT ARE SHOVEL-READY.

ACTUALLY, I THINK HAVING THE HOUSING EXPERT FROM HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION SPEAK ABOUT IT A BIT MORE.

SHE'LL BE ABLE TO GO INTO TECHNICAL DETAILS THAT I DON'T KNOW.

>> PERFECT.

>> CYNTHIA ELLICKSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING.

AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A NOVA.

ALL OF OUR PROJECTS GO THROUGH THE NOVA.

WE CAN CERTAINLY, AND WE DO ALREADY HAVE SOME DETAILS IN THERE ABOUT SPECIAL NEEDS HOUSING SUCH AS WE CAN HAVE SORS OR TINY HOMES REQUEST TO THAT NOVA TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GET.

BUT YES, BECAUSE THESE FUNDS ARE ON A TIMELINE, SIX YEARS,

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WE WANT TO LOOK FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO GO AND CAN DEPLOY AND EXPAND WITHIN THE SIX-YEAR TERM.

WE USUALLY DON'T GIVE FOLKS SIX YEARS, WE GIVE THEM AROUND FOUR OR FIVE BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE MOVING.

BUT WE ASK FOR SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS USUALLY.

>> IN MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS ALSO HOW ALL THESE GETS STAFFED.

IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF HAVING AN EMPTY BUILDING, AND SO IN TERMS OF THE CAPACITY OF THE FIELD FOR THIS, SO THERE COULD BE LIKE TWO COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO OR CHAIR WILLIS' POINT, THERE COULD BE A GROUP THAT APPLIES.

THE QUESTION IS, WHAT THE NON-PROFIT SERVICE MARKET CAN OFFER. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. WE DO UNDERWRITING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN DO THAT KIND OF WORK AND THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPEND TIMELY.

BUT YES, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE LOOK FOR.

>> THAT'S GREAT. BECAUSE WHAT I REALLY APPRECIATE IS US BEING ABLE TO TURN TO THE PROFESSIONALS WHO DO THIS AND LET THEM TELL US WHAT THEY CAN PROVIDE IN THIS TIME AND WITH THESE FUNDS, INSTEAD OF US TRYING TO POUND IN WHAT WE THINK WE WANT.

>> THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, COUNCIL WOMAN.

THERE ARE NO OTHER NAMES IN THE QUEUE.

WE'RE READY NOW FOR THE VOTE.

>> THOSE OPPOSED, SAME CENTER.

THE ITEM PASSES. MADAM SECRETARY, WE READY FOR THE NEXT BUSINESS ITEM.

>> WE'RE HOLDING ON COUNCIL MEMBER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A QUORUM BEFORE WE START MOVING AROUND.

WE HAVE THREE WE'RE HOPING TO, MR. BAZALDUA, CAN YOU HEAR US? COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

CALLING ONES, CALLING TWICE.

GOOD.

[LAUGHTER] COUNCIL MEMBER, WEST, YOU'RE HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER, MCGOUGH, YOU'RE STILL WITH US. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

[PH3. A public hearing on an application for and a resolution granting a variance to the alcohol spacing requirements from a public school, James S. Hogg Elementary School, as required by Section 6-4 of the Dallas City Code to allow a mixed-beverage permit, pursuant to Chapter 28 of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code, for a restaurant without drive-in or drive-through service with a food and beverage certificate [La Comida International, LLC dba La Comida Mexican Kitchen & Cocktails] on the northwest corner of the intersection of Beckley Avenue, El Dorado Avenue and Zang Boulevard - AV223-001 - Financing: No cost consideration to the City]

>> ITEM PH 3 IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND A RESOLUTION GRANTING A VARIANT TO THE ALCOHOL SPACING REQUIREMENTS FROM A PUBLIC SCHOOL, JAMES S HOGG ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TO ALLOW A MIXED BEVERAGES PERMIT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 28 OF THE TEXAS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CODE FOR A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE WITH A FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE, LA COMIDA INTERNATIONAL, LLC, DBA LA COMIDA, MEXICAN KITCHEN AND COCKTAILS, ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF BAGLEY AVENUE, EL DORADO AVENUE, AND ZANG BOULEVARD.

BECAUSE THIS ITEM IS AN ALCOHOL VARIANCE REQUEST, IT WILL REQUIRE TWO SECONDS.

A MOTION IN TWO SECONDS.

THERE ARE NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.

ARE THERE ANY INDIVIDUALS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKERS, MADAM MAYOR.

I'M GOING TO ASK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM THAT WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE, AND SO I NEED US TO BE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, COUNCIL MEMBER, WEST?

>> YES, MAYOR.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.