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[City Planning Commission]
TAKE YOUR SEATS.I I, LONG AGO I STOPPED BEING SURPRISED AT THINGS I HAVE TO SAY, BUT YES, THE DOORS ARE UNLOCKED.
MS. PASINA, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. PASINA.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, APRIL 20TH, EXACTLY 12:39 PM UH, COUPLE OF QUICK ITEMS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, ALL SPEAKERS, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR AND ALSO PLEASE REFRAIN FOR MAKING ANY PERSONAL OR IMPER OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.
EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, IN CASES WHERE WE DO HAVE OPPOSITION PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
UH, I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL OUR FOLKS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERAS ARE ON AND WORKING.
STATE LAW REQUIRES US THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND, UH, PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME, UH, YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
AND WITH THAT, COMMISSIONERS WILL GET STARTED WITH THE ONE MISCELLANEOUS, THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. YES, WE DO.
UH, COMMISSIONER HERBERT HAS AGREED TO SERVE AS VICE CHAIR TODAY.
CAN I GET A MOTION FOR THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE'LL GET STARTED WITH MS. MORMAN.
YOUR ITEM IS M TWO TWO DASH 46.
AN APPLICATION FOR MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 97 FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL USE.
GENERALLY LOCATED ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY BUCKNER BOULEVARD, MERCER DRIVE, MARIPOSA DRIVE, AND THE GULF, COLORADO AND SANTA FE RAILROAD STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MORMAN.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO.
QUESTIONS FOR MS. MORMAN? I HAVE A PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER JOHN, QUESTION FOR MR. IRWIN IF HE'S PLEASE, IF HE'S AROUND, HE IS.
AM I CORRECT THAT THE SHRUBS, UH, SHOWN TO SCREEN THE PARKING LOT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT ACROSS THE STREET WILL REACH FIVE TO SIX FEET HEIGHT AT MATURITY? UH, I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT THAT WOULD REACH FIVE TO SIX FEET.
IT, YEAH, I BELIEVE IT COULD GROW TO THAT IF IT ALLOWED, ALLOWED TO GROW TO THAT.
I DON'T, WELL, I DON'T REMEMBER ANY SPECIFICATIONS FOR IT TO GROW TO THAT HEIGHT.
I I TRUST YOUR ANSWER BETTER THAN GOOGLE.
SO, UH, IN YOUR OPINION BETWEEN THOSE SHRUBS AND THE TREES IS THEIR ADEQUATE BUFFERING, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET? I BELIEVE THERE IS ADEQUATE BUFFERING THERE WITH THE TREES AND THE SHRUBS COMBINED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NON-COM? COMMISSIONER YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
IN THE MATTER OF M 212 46, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ME OPPOSE A NAME? MOTION PASSES.
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MS. BLUE.ITEM THREE, UH, M 22 3 DASH 0 0 9.
A APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO A EXISTING SITE.
PLAN FOR S U P NUMBER 2289 FOR THE SALE AND SERVICE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE ON A PROPERTY ZONE.
A C R COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE EAST CORNER OF GARLAND ROAD AND BEACH.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? I DO.
IN THE MATTER OF M 2 2 3 0 0 9, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG, COMMISSIONER HOUSE FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER YOUNG PLEASE.
VERY BRIEFLY, UH, THERE ARE BASICALLY TWO THINGS HERE.
THE DUMPSTER IS ACTUALLY IN A BETTER LOCATION THAN THE SITE PLAN WOULD'VE REQUIRED IT TO BE.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY EASY CHOICE.
AS FOR THE PATIO, UM, I WISH THIS SITE WERE A LITTLE MORE WALKABLE, BUT I DON'T THINK THE SOLUTION TO THAT IS TO PUT AN OUTDOOR PATIO IN FRONT OF A RETAIL BUSINESS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE ANYBODY SITTING OUTSIDE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS STAND NONE ON THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
MS. BLUE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WILL NOW MOVE INTO OUR ZONING CASES.
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. BOTH CASES WILL BE HEARD INDIVIDUALLY.
BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FOUR, MS. MUNOZ, GOOD AFTERNOON.
CHAIR NUMBER FOUR IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW TRACK ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 29 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FOREST LANE, EAST OF WEBB CHAPEL ROAD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
SUBJECT VICTORIA, REVISED CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF SEEING NON-COM.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? UH, BECAUSE WE DID NOT HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THIS.
I'M GOING TO MOVE, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, HOLD THIS OVER UNTIL MAY 18TH UNDER ADVISEMENT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD IN ORDER TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND TO, UH, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL OPEN AND HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 18TH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE? WELL, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
HAVE IT THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAVE A CONFLICT ON CASE NUMBER FIVE AND ARE STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
NUMBER FIVE IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA B WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 58 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WHISTLESTOP PLACE EAST OF WILDCAT WAY.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? DO YOU HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER, MR. BALDWIN? MR. BALDWIN, OR ARE YOU ON LINE, SIR? HE SAY, HE SAY YES, HE IS.
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UH, ROB BALDWIN 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS HERE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THIS.AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING THERE TODAY.
I'M GONNA DO MY BEST TO, TO HANDLE THIS REMOTELY.
IF I CAN, UH, SHARE MY SCREEN, UH, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
UH, OKAY, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.
IT'S NOT LETTING ME SHARE MY SCREEN.
WHY YOU DO THAT? CAN YOU PLEASE MR. KING MAKE, UH, COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR? NOT A PANELIST.
I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S ON THE RIGHT WAY.
YOU WANNA EMAIL THE PRESENTATION, MR. BALDWIN? YEAH, IT'S COMING.
THIS IS A, A REQUEST TO BASICALLY, UH, I THINK MS. MUNOZ DID A GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE ABILITY TO SEEK RELIEF TO A SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT ALONG WALNUT HILL, UH, BOULEVARD FOR, UM, A PROJECT THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, THE PD CURRENTLY REQUIRES US TO HAVE A FIVE FOOT PLANNING STRIP AND THEN AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK.
AND THERE'S SOME CONDITIONS THAT MAKE THAT VERY DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.
UM, THE SITE IS UP IN LAKE HIGHLANDS TOWN CENTER.
THIS IS THE SITE HERE IN GREEN.
IT WAS ALL PART OF SUB-DISTRICT B OF, OR SUB AREA B OF THE, OF LAKE HIGHLANDS TOWN CENTER LINE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE AREA SHADED HERE IN GREEN RIGHT NEXT TO THE DART STATION IN WALNUT HILL LANE.
THIS EXHIBIT HERE SHOWS WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS THE EXISTING FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, AND IT SHOWS THE TOPOGRAPHY LEADING DIRECTLY FROM THE EXISTING SIDEWALK DOWN TO THE SITE.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ABOUT A, A 20 FOOT DROP OR, UH, 25 FOOT DROP IN SOME LOCATIONS TO, TO THE SITE.
IT'S, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY STEEP AND THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES BETWEEN US AND THE SIDEWALK.
THIS IS LOOKING, UH, EAST ON WALNUT HILL AND OUR, OUR SITE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTIONS ON OUR LEFT.
THIS, THIS EXHIBIT KIND OF PHOTO SHOWS YOU A GREATER EXTENT OF THE, THE DROP OFF.
AND THIS IS LOOKING, UH, LOOKING WEST.
AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE BRIDGE OVER THE DART TRACKS.
AND THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK TODAY.
AND IF WE EXTENDED MADE THIS A PLANTING AREA AND THEN EXTENDED IT OUT ANOTHER EIGHT FEET, WE'D BE CANTILEVERING OVER, UH, A STEEP DROP AND HAVE TO REMOVE TREES TO DO IT.
ONE THING I WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT THERE IS, UH, AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE FROM THE DART STATION THROUGH THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, AND CONNECTING TO THE E EXTENSION OF THE SANTA FE, NOT THE SANTA FE TRAIL, THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC TRAIL
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EXTENSION THAT LEADS INTO THE LAKE HIGHLAND TOWN CENTER.SO THERE IS A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO GET FROM THE DART STATION TO THE SANTA FE TRAIL OR SOUTHERN PACIFIC TRAIL WITHOUT GOING ALONG WALNUT HILL.
AND THERE'S ALSO A, UM, A TRANSIT STATION THERE, UH, DART AND, UH, RAIL AND BUS.
SO ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS A, THE ABILITY FOR THE, THE DIRECTOR, IN THIS CASE, THE DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING, TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE AND IF THEY SEE MERIT IN IT, TO NOT REQUIRE US TO BUILD THAT SIDEWALK FIVE FEET OFF THE CURB.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
I HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? COMMISSIONER YOUNG? UH, YES, MR. BALDWIN.
IT IS NEITHER THE SANTA FE TRAIL NOR THE SOUTHERN PACIFIC TRAIL, BUT RATHER THE WHITE ROCK CREEK TRAIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE.
MR. BALDWIN, JUST THE, THE SITE AS YOU, YOU STATED IS, IS IT WOULD BE DANGEROUS TO EXTEND IT, UM, OR ARE THE OWNERS GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT THAT SITE AT ALL OR ARE THEY JUST ASKING TO LEAVE IT AS IS? WE'LL DO IT.
THE CITY ASKS US TO DO AS WE GO THROUGH THE ENGINEERING APPROVAL, THE CITY MAY ASK US TO PUT A RAILING ON THE INSIDE OF THE SIDEWALK TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM TUMBLING DOWN THE HILL, BUT, UH, WE WILL DO WHATEVER THE CITY ASKED US TO DO.
GOOD QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.
IS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES, PLEASE.
UM, MR. BALDWIN, WHAT CONDITION IS THE PATHWAY THAT LOOKED THAT, THAT YOU DESCRIBED IN YOUR, UH, ILLUSTRATION THAT LINKS THE TRAIN TO THE PARCEL? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I DIDN'T CATCH ALL OF THAT.
WHAT COULD, WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THAT PATHWAY THAT YOU DESCRIBED IN YOUR ILLUSTRATION? IS IT ADEQUATE? IT'S A, IT'S BRAND NEW, UH, AND IT'S, UH, IMPROVED SURFACE ON BOTH SIDES OF, OF WHISTLE STOP.
THAT GOES ALL THE WAY FROM THE DART STATION TO THE, THE TRAIL HEAD.
SO YOU CAN GO ON THE NORTH OR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET AND CONNECT TO THE TRAIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? UH, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR, MR. CHAIR? YES.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE SUBJECT TO A REVISED CONCEPTUAL PLAN, WHICH CHANGES AS BRIEFED MOTION? YES.
SO COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HARVEST.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO OUR ARISE CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT THE RECORD REFLECT.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THE COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT HANDEN STEPPING BACK INTO THE CHAMBER, CONTINUE TO OUR CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.
CASE NUMBER SIX, TOP OF PAGE THREE.
MS. MUNOZ CASE NUMBER SIX IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JURY DRIVE AND SOUTH POLE STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNEZ.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF?
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OH, IS THIS THE, I'M SORRY.I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE MAY 18TH MEETING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 18TH.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
CASE NUMBER SEVEN, THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND ARE STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER AS WE SPEAK.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN F W M U FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE FORM SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED AND R FIVE A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT AND AN N C E NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ENHANCED SUBDISTRICT AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SECOND STREET BETWEEN GARDEN LANE AND BANNER DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOS.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? MR. KING? WE HAD TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.
ARE THEY ONLINE? THOMPSON AND ATKINS.
UH, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON, SIR.
I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? WE DO SEE YOU, SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
ZACH THOMPSON, 36 0 8 SOUTH FITSU, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 210.
MY CONCERN IS THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND THE PROPOSED PD 5 95 REZONING.
UH, I WOULD ASK THAT THE APPLICANT HOLD OFF AND WORK WITH US, THOSE WHO ARE PROPERTY OWNERS IN SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT RELATES TO WORKING WITH A TOTAL SOUTH DALLAS.
NOT A HODGEPODGE TYPE OF PLANNING.
UH, MY CONCERN IS, IS AND FINALLY WOULD BE THAT WE'RE CREATING A SEPARATE BUT UNEQUAL PLAN PROCESS WHEN WE, WHEN WE NAVIGATE AROUND THE PROPOSED 5 95, UH, REZONING AND THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN.
DOES THE APPLICANT WANT TO TAKE OVER REBUTTAL TIME? NO.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR MR. THOMPSON? YES.
MR. THOMPSON, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING NOW COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE FUTURE OF YOUR, UH, PD WORK OR THE AREA PLAN WORK? WELL THAT, THAT ANALYZE THE ISSUE IS THAT WE'VE NOT SEEN THEM AT THE TABLE IN OUR DISCUSSION.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN RIGHT NOW UNDER P UNDER PROPOSED PD 5 95.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT BASICALLY HISTORICALLY WAS PUT THERE BECAUSE OF POLITICAL REASONS 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO.
NOW, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK FOR THE FIRST TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT NEW DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHY SEPARATE UNDER THIS PLAN TO WORK ON THEIR PROPOSED PLAN AND NOT LOOK AT THE TOTAL SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK? THAT'S ALL, ALL WE'RE ASKING.
I DON'T SEE WHERE THEIR PLAN IS GOING TO BENEFIT SECOND AVENUE.
I DON'T SEE WHERE THEIR PLAN IS GOING TO BENEFIT ANY BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE AROUND THAT AREA.
SO IF YOU ASKING ME SPECIFICALLY, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE'VE NOT SEEN 'EM AT ANY OF OUR MEETINGS.
UM, MR. THOMPSON, HAVE YOU BEEN AT ANY OF THE THREE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD IN SOUTH DALLAS OVER THE LAST 90 DAYS? AND ALSO HAVE YOU ARE, ARE YOU A PART OF THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE?
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NOT PART OF THE TASK FORCE, BUT I AM A PART OF THOSE WHO LANDOWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH, UH, HANK LAWSON AND WE MEET ONCE A MONTH, UH, FOR THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS.YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THE THREE MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN AT? OH, YEAH.
I'M MR. YEAH, I'M AWARE OF THOSE MEETINGS, YES.
AND, AND MR. LAWSON HAS ALSO BEEN, MS. LAWSON IS ALSO ON THE AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE AND HAS MET WITH THEM AT THOSE MEETINGS OR AWARE OF THAT? YES, I AM.
SO THEY HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY, YOU JUST HAVEN'T BEEN AT THE MEETINGS, AM I CORRECT? NOT THOSE THREE MEETINGS SPECIFICALLY, BUT MY CONCERN IS NOT SO MUCH THOSE MEETINGS, BUT THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH HANK LAWSON MONTHLY THAT DISCUSS THE TOTAL SOUTH DALLAS FOR OUR PARK AREA PLAN, AS WELL AS PD 5 95 REZONING.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO COMMISSIONER'S RE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE BASED OFF OF THE AREA PLAN, THE TASK FORCE, UM, THE SOUTH DALLAS FOR PARK TASK FORCE AREA PLAN MEETINGS ALSO WITH THE CURRENT PD AND THE FUTURE CHANGES AND ALSO AS WELL AS THE HATCHER STATION PLAN THAT THESE, THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS BASED OFF OF THAT, THOSE ACTUAL MEETINGS.
I'LL DEFER TO YOU AS, AS THE COMMISSIONER FOR DISTRICT SEVEN, WHATEVER YOUR DECISION IS.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO BRING MY PERSONAL POINTS AS A LANDOWNER IN THAT AREA THAT I STILL SAY WE SHOULD WAIT, UH, AND LOOK AT PD 5 95 REZONING AND BRING THIS BACK.
BUT I TRUST YOUR, UH, POSITION AND I'LL SUPPORT IT.
THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED IN THIS, IN THIS ACTUAL CASE TO THIS CASE TO BE HELD OVER TO MARCH 18TH, SO THEY CAN DO FURTHER MEETINGS.
SIR, I'M GOING TO REQUEST THAT WE, UH, KEEP THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND, AND HOLD ON, HOLD THE MATTER ADVISEMENT TO HOLD THE MATTER.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS? WE DO THANK YOU.
WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 18TH.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SAY IT FOR THE QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR HAND, SIR, PLEASE, YES.
I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE, UM, IF THE, WHAT, WHAT THE BOUNDARIES WERE FOR THE AREA PLANS AND FOR THE AREAS THAT WERE STUDIED IN THIS, IN THIS PLAN.
I'M TRYING TO SEE IF MR. THOMPSON'S, UM, COMMENTS ARE ABOUT, UM, MS. UH, IT'S GONNA BE, LET'S LET, UH, STAFF TAKE THAT.
SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION AGAIN? COMMISSION.
ANDERS, CAN YOU REPHRASE OR RESTATE YOUR QUESTION? THE, THE VOLUME'S A LITTLE BIT LOW IN HERE.
COULD YOU GUYS DESCRIBE THE BOUNDARY AREA OF THE, THE STUDY AND THE AREA PLANS THAT ARE REFERENCED BEFORE THIS MOTION? UM, I THINK THE, THERE ARE TWO AREA PLANS THAT APPLY TO THIS PROPERTY.
UM, MS. MUNOS MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY, BUT ONE OF THEM IS THE HATCHER STATION AREA PLAN, UM, THAT IS CENTERED AROUND, UH, THE HATCHER STATION, UH, THE HATCHER DART RAIL STATION.
UM, IT'S SORT OF A T O D FOCUSED AREA PLAN.
UM, THE OTHER ONE AS, AS THE RESIDENT MENTIONED, IS THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK, UH, AREA PLAN.
UM, I DO NOT WORK IN THE LONG-RANGE PLANNING SECTION OF THIS DEPARTMENT.
UM, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN IS CURRENTLY, UM, UNDER REVIEW, UM, TO POSSIBLY BE UPDATED IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THE STATUS OF THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY LANE.
UM, BUT IT IS, UH, BEING REVIEWED CURRENTLY.
UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT EXTENT OF PD 5 95 WAS NOTIFIED AND, AND HAD THE CHANCE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
AND I GUESS THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
THOSE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERNS AT ALL.
UH, PROCEDURALLY, UM, SO THIS IS, UM, A REQUEST FOR A PD.
I THINK THAT'S HOW WE'VE, IT'S A FORM DISTRICT.
IT, IT'S A REQUEST FOR GENERAL ZONE CHANGE WITHIN THIS PD, WHICH PERMITS IT.
SO THEN IT'S BASED ON THE ACREAGE FOR NOTIFICATION.
IT'S NOT THE GENERAL OR STANDARD 500 FEET, UM, SURROUNDING THE SITE.
IT WAS A 400 FOOT RADIUS FOR THIS REQUEST.
THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO BEING, BECAUSE THIS CASE WAS ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT WAS,
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UH, KIND OF A HIGH PRIORITY, I MEAN HIGH PROFILE IN SOUTH DALLAS, WE PERFORMED THREE, UM, OH, ONCE A MONTH.SINCE JANUARY WE PERFORMED THREE, UM, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, NOT AT THE ACTUAL LOCATION, BUT AT A, AT TWO REC AT TWO RECREATION CENTERS IN THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA, WHICH WAS X LINE.
AND ALSO AT, UM, UM, JUANITA CRAFT.
THEY WERE, WE, WE MADE SURE THAT WE GOT COMMENTS ON THOSE MEETINGS.
THERE WERE ALSO MEETINGS WITH, UH, THEIR ADVISORY BOARD AND OTHER COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
AND THEY, THEY ALSO CAME TO THE TASK FORCE MEETINGS AS EARLY AS OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR.
SO THEY, THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT HAS BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED AND THE EFFECT OF PD 5 95, IT, THE PLAN, THIS WAS ONE OF THE FOCUS AREAS ALSO.
SO THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE MADE SURE THAT DID IT FIT IN WELL? WHAT WAS GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD THAT HAD BEEN LOOKED OVER FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH THE SOUTH DALLAS
IT WAS A TASK FORCE THAT WAS FORMED TWO YEARS AGO THAT HAD INTENSIVE, UM, STUDIES ON THE WHOLE SOUTH DALLAS AREA.
AND SO IT DID FIT WITHIN THAT BOUNDARY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
COMMISSIONER, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, ALL A FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
HAVE IT THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIDER STEPPING BACK INTO THE CHAMBER.
KEEP MOVING TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT.
ITEM EIGHT, CASE C 2 23 DASH 1 0 3.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN M MU TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY.
ZONED AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT WITH CONSIDERATION FOR A WMU FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF EMPIRE CENTRAL DRIVE, NORTHEAST OF HARRY HZ BOULEVARD.
STAS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A W M U FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF AN M U TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT.
SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS ONLINE.
MR. BALDWIN, GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B, YOU'RE REPRESENTING SLATE DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR REQUEST FOR THIS REZONING RE REQUEST.
UM, ORIGINALLY WE CAME IN, UH, WITH, UH, AN M U TWO DESIGNATION AND THEN WE'RE, WE'RE AFTER WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE COMMISSIONER WE'RE, WE'RE MORE MORPHING THAT OVER TO A WM U FIVE.
BUT LET ME ME GIVE YOU A QUICK BACKGROUND.
SO WE'RE JUST, UH, EMPIRE CENTRAL JUST OVER BY LOVEFIELD.
UH, THIS, THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE.
IT'S ON THE, THE SOUTH SIDE OF EMPIRE CENTRAL.
IT'S A, A LARGE KIND OF AN OFFICE SHOWROOM, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS AN IN EMPIRE CENTRAL IS INTERESTING WEST OF HARRY HINES.
IT'S CLEARLY INDUSTRIAL EAST OF HARRY HINES BETWEEN HARRY HINES AND MAPLE.
IT, IT WA I THINK IT WANTS TO TRANSITION.
IT WANTS TO TRANSITION RESIDENTIAL, UM, ON THE HARRY HINES SIDE OF EMPIRE CENTRAL, UH, THERE IS A, A QUESTIONABLE MOTEL THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND WE RECENTLY REZONED THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE TO MULTI-FAMILY AND THEN BRACKETING ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE EMPIRE CENTRAL ENDS AT, UH, MAPLE.
THERE'S A, AN AMAZON DISTRIBUTION CENTER, UH, FOR, FOR FULFILLMENT CENTER THAT IS ALSO PROBLEMATIC FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE CAME TO THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA.
SO ORIGINALLY, LIKE I SAID, WE WENT WITH A W M U TWO WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS, AND AS WE WERE WALKING THROUGH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, IT KEPT TRYING TO GET TO AN WM U DISTRICT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE START TALKING ABOUT BUILDING PLACEMENT, UH, CHANGES OF PLANE, UH, ARTICULATION.
SO WE DECIDED MAKES MORE SENSE RATHER THAN TO HAVE A, AN MU DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT MIMIC WMU FIVE GO STRAIGHT WITH THE WM U FIVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT SLATE, HAS DONE RECENTLY COMPLETED A PROJECT JUST EAST OF HERE AND IT KIND OF MATCHES WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING HERE.
SO THEY SAID THAT WOULD BE FINE.
THEY COULD MAKE THE WME FIVE WORK.
SO THIS IS A SITE, IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED IR, UM, IT'S EMPIRE CENTRAL ZONED IR ON EITHER SIDE, BUT THEN RIGHT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE IR IS M MU TWO, WHICH IS ACTUALLY MOSTLY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
UM, AGAIN, HERE'S THE, UH, THE, UH, THE AERIAL, IF YOU LOOK RIGHT UP HERE, UM, WITH THE, THE TAN ROOF, THAT IS THE NEW PROJECT.
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ON MOHAWK AND EMPIRE CENTRAL.UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS AREA IS TRANSFORMING AND WE THINK THAT RESIDENTIAL IS THE PREFERRED USE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, LOOKING DOWN THIS KIND OF SHOWS WHERE THE SITE IS, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE DO HAVE SOME SMALL MULTI-FAMILY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM, UH, ISSA HERE.
SO, UH, IT'S, THIS AREA IS TRANSITIONING.
UH, THEY, THE WEST LOVE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT GO RESIDENTIAL.
UH, IT, THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH RECENT DEVELOPMENT PLANS.
THANK YOU MR. RAWLIN, HELP US LEAVE YOU WITH THAT.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, PLEASE.
UH, MR. BALDWIN, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM SOMETHING THAT THIS PROJECT IS, UH, THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING THE ZONING CHANGE FOR IS NOT EXPECTED TO HAVE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT IT AT THIS TIME, NO.
NOT, NOT AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THE, THE WMU DOES NOT HAVE THAT EXCUSE INCOME COMPONENT TO IT.
OH, AND YOUR APPLICANT ISN'T VOLUNTEERING TO DO THAT? I'M JUST CONFIRMING THIS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S A VEHICLE TO DO THAT IN THE M THE, IN THE WMU, THE FORM BASED DISTRICTS WITHOUT GOING TO A PD.
UH, MR. BALLIN, HOW MANY MORE SLIDES DID YOU HAVE IN YOUR PRESENTATION? OH, I JUST HAD ONE THAT WAS SILLY.
IT WAS JUST, I, I WENT TO ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND ASKED HIM TO WRITE A SONNET ABOUT FORM-BASED CODES.
IT WAS, WE HAVE TO SEE IT NOW.
UH, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THIS WITH Y'ALL AFTERWARDS IF YOU WANT TO.
UH, I, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, UH, MR. BALDWIN ON, WE'RE USING THE SMALL SCREENS TODAY AND SO THAT IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF A POSTAGE STAMP HERE.
SO I I SEE A LOT OF SQUIGGLY LINES.
BUT YEAH, I THINK THE QUESTION TO YOU, IS THERE AN AI ZONING CONSULTANT, BUT WE, YOU CAN PASS ON THAT QUESTION FOR NOW,
YEAH, I, I WILL, UH, I WILL SEND IT TO RYAN IN CASE ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO INTERVIEW IT.
UM, MR. BALDWIN, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, UM, APPLICANT ISN'T CURRENTLY PLANNING ON, UH, PROVIDING ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS UNDER DISCUSSION FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE WITH THIS APPLICANT? YEAH, AT, AT ONE TIME WE WERE, UH, WHEN WE WERE GOING TO THE M U TWO, UH, WE WERE GONNA DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YES.
UM, AND SO RELATED TO THAT, UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO, UM, I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED YOU'D MET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND GOT THEIR INPUT ON THE CASE? YES, I MET WITH, UH, THE WEST LOVE PEOPLE AND THEY WERE GREAT AND GRACIOUS AND THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
AND YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, WALKABILITY AND HOW THIS PROJECT FIT INTO THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
UM, THE GENERAL PLAN IS ROUGHLY A FIVE STORY, UM, STRUCTURE, MULTI-FAMILY.
THE MU IS, UM, RECOMMENDED OR REQUESTED BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING OFFICE USE.
OUR, OUR, THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY TODAY WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO REZONE THEIR PROPERTY TO MAKE THEM NON-CONFORMING.
AND THEN YOU, YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AND THAT'S WHERE, UM, A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERN HAS TO DO WITH HOW TRAFFIC CIRCULATION, SOME OF THE, UM, TROUBLE THAT THEY'RE HAVING IN TERMS OF, UM, TRUCKS DELIVERIES, UM, THAT THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BASED ON MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM, THEY ARE HAVING A REAL PROBLEM WITH AMAZON.
UH, IT'S, IT'S THE AMAZON THERE AS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS KNOW.
IT'S ONE WHERE, UH, THE LITTLE TRUCKS COME TO, TO PICK UP THEIR DAY LOAD AND IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE 50 OR 60 TRUCKS ALL COME IN AT THE SAME TIME AND LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME AND DO THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES A DAY.
AND THAT'S A USE THAT'S PERMITTED BY RIGHT, UH, RIGHT AT THE EDGE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE NEIGHBORS WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS SECTION TRANS TRANSFORM A MORE WALKABLE, UH, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, UH, CORRIDOR, UH, LEADING FROM HARRY HINES TO MAPLE IN THE HOPE THAT THAT WILL, UH, ATTRACT ENOUGH EYES ON
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THE STREET TO HELP GET RID OF THE PROBLEM USES ALONG HARRY HINES.WE HAVE THE, UM, T M P THAT'S IN OUR DOCKET, WHICH WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL REQUEST.
THE PLAN THAT'S IN THAT WILL BE UPDATED IF THIS M U DISTRICT IS APPROVED.
UH, DAVID WILL MAKE US UPDATE THE TMP ONCE, UH, WE COME IN FOR PERMITTING.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? C NONE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 0 3, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST AS A WALKABLE M W M U FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF M U TWO MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER TRO FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS? NO.
COMMISSIONER, I JUST NOTICED THAT FOREST PARK CROSS STREET WITH TREADWAY STREET, NOT JUST THOUGHT IT WAS NEVERMIND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
MR. MULKEY, THIS CASE HAS NOT BEEN BRIEF.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING.
UH, DO I READ IT INTO THE RECORD FIRST? OKAY.
I, I'M, OKAY, I'LL JUST START PRESENTING.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, NEXT CASE IS Z 2 23 DASH 117.
THE REQUEST IS FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTI-FAMILY DEED RE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTIES OWNED AN N O A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT, AND A PA PARKING DISTRICT.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GLENFIELD AVENUE, WEST OF SOUTHAMPTON ROAD, AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1.8 ACRES LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
UH, AERIAL MAP WITH THE PROPERTY OUTLINED IN BLUE.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT COMPRISES ALL OF THOSE PARCELS, UM, STARTING ON GLENFIELD AVENUE AND THEN KIND OF GOING AROUND THE BEND BEHIND THOSE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
UH, AND ZONING MAP WAS SURROUNDING DISTRICTS AND LAND USES, SO TO THE NORTH AND THE WEST, UH, IS AN R 75 A DISTRICT, UM, THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY, UH, TO THE EAST, UM, IS A GENERAL MERCHANDISE PERSONAL SERVICE AN OFFICE USES, AS WELL AS, UM, MEDICAL CLINIC.
UH, AND THEN FURTHER EAST OF THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, TO THE SOUTH IS AN EXISTING OFFICE USE INTO THE SOUTHWEST IS A VACANT STRUCTURE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY USED, UM, AS A HOSPITAL.
SO THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED BOTH IN N NOA DISTRICT AND A PA PARKING DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REDEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH RESIDENTIAL USES TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
THEY ARE REQUESTING AN MF TWO A DISTRICT.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO VOLUNTEERED, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD FURTHER RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, THESE CONDITIONS ARE INTENDED TO RESTRICT DENSITY OF THE SITE, UM, PROVIDE ENHANCED BUFFERING ADJACENT TO SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY USES AND PROVIDE ENHANCED DESIGN STANDARDS.
SO SITE PHOTOS, THIS IS ON GLENFIELD AVENUE LOOKING SOUTH, UH, AT THE STREET FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF, I DON'T GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UH, BUT UM, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE AROUND THE BEND THE REMAINDER OF THE REQUEST AREA.
UM, AND THEN THIS IS, UH, LOOKING SOUTHWEST ON GLENFIELD AVENUE.
WE'RE JUST MOVING IN A CLOCKWISE DIRECTION.
YOU CAN SEE THOSE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE NORTH AND WEST, AND THEN THE BACKSIDE OF THAT COMMERCIAL.
UH, SO THESE ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE TWO EXISTING ZONING DISTRICTS AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED MF TWO A.
UM, AND THEN, UM, MF TWO A WOULD BE ENTITLED, UM, TO DEVELOPMENT BONUSES IF AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE PROVIDED.
UM, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN INDICATION FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY INTEND TO DO THIS, BUT THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE UNDER A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT THIS? UH, YEAH, SO THE, UH, M I H DB, UH, WOULD APPLY, UM, TO HEIGHT AND TO LOT COVERAGE, ALTHOUGH THAT 85 FOOT HEIGHT WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO RPS, WHICH IS GENERATED
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BY THE ADJACENT R 75 A DISTRICT.UH, THIS IS AN A GVA AREA, SO THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE, UH, 5% OF THE UNITS AT, UH, INCOME BAND 3 81 TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, TO RECEIVE THOSE BONUSES.
UH, AND THEN AN, UH, ONE UPDATE SINCE THE DOCKET PUBLICATION.
UM, SINCE, UH, ON THE, ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, WE ARE, UH, WE HAVE ADDED THIS, UM, PHRASE TO THE BEGINNING OF CONDITION THREE.
UM, THAT WOULD EXEMPT THE GLENFIELD AVENUE FRONTAGE, UM, FROM MEETING, UH, THAT REQUIREMENT FOR AN EIGHT FOOT, EIGHT FOOT TALL WOODEN FENCE.
THAT CONDITION'S REALLY INTENDED FOR WHERE THE PROPERTY ABUTS, UM, EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, SO YOU WANT TO AVOID A CONFLICT ALONG GLENFIELD AVENUE.
AND WITH THAT STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE, MR. MALKA, GIVEN THE DUE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE LIMITING THE, UM, NUMBER OF UNITS AND, UM, UH, REQUIRING A PROVISION FOR A A TWO CAR GARAGE, UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY INCENTIVES AVAILABLE AND, AND THE LIMITATION OF PRE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE? WOULD THERE BE ANY INCENTIVES THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR IF THEY WERE INCLINED TO GO THROUGH THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM? YEAH, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIMITED ON THE HEIGHT.
UM, REALLY THE ONLY DEVELOPMENT BONUS, UH, DEVELOPMENT BONUS THAT COULD BE APPLIED IS TO LOT COVERAGE.
THEY COULD INCREASE THEIR LOT COVERAGE FROM 60 TO, I THINK 85%.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, UH, OUR COMMISSIONER, ER, PLEASE.
I DON'T, I I CAN'T SEE YOU ON THE PRESENTATION.
ON MY APOLOGIES, COMMISSIONER RUDY, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SEE YOU ALL TOO.
SO THANKS FOR PREPARING WITH ME WHEN I'M REMOTE TODAY.
UH, MR. MULKEY, I, I BRIEFLY HANDLED THIS ONE WHILE D THREE WAS VACANT.
CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT OF THE HISTORY O OF THIS ONE AND, AND HOW IT, HOW THEY GOT TO THE DEEDS RESTRICTIONS HERE? SURE.
UM, SO THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF, UM, THOSE CASES THAT I'VE HAD RECENTLY FOR YOU GUYS.
UM, THAT'S, UM, AT LEAST ATTEMPTING TO PROVIDE, UH, A DENSER RESIDENTIAL PRODUCT EITHER ALONG THE EDGE OF AN ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR SOMETIMES WITHIN, UH, AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, STAFF DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT.
UM, HOWEVER, BASED ON SOME, UM, RECENT CASES, INCLUDING A CASE IN DISTRICT FIVE, IT WAS PROPOSING SOMETHING SIMILAR.
UM, WHERE THAT CASE ARRIVED AT, UM, WAS SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT, UM, THIS DISTRICT WAS GONNA BE MF TWO, BUT THOSE CONDITIONS ESSENTIALLY, UM, NECESSITATED MORE OF A TOWNHOME STYLE PRODUCT, ALTHOUGH IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MULTI-FAMILY BY OUR CODE.
UM, SO, UH, STAFF MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO THE APPLICANT, UM, THAT THEY CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE.
UM, AND THEY, THEY DID, UM, AGREE WITH US ON THAT.
SO THEY HAVE VOLUNTEERED, UM, THESE CONDITIONS.
UM, AND I, UH, STAFF HAS WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ON, UM, AT LEAST THEIR CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF THE SITE, UM, TO, UH, KIND OF CODIFY SOME STANDARDS THAT WOULD REINFORCE THAT DESIGN, UM, AND, AND CERTAINLY PROVIDE SOME BUFFERING IN THE FORM OF LANDSCAPING AND, AND FENCING, UM, ADJACENT TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL.
AND, AND ON THE PART THAT'S DESIGNATED NOA, HAVE THERE EVER BEEN ANY EXISTING RETAIL USES ON THERE? UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, UH, THERE HAS NOT, I BELIEVE IF I REMEMBER FROM THE CASE HISTORY, IT WAS REZONED TO NOA WITH THAT PARKING DISTRICT, UM, 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, UM, FOR, UH, OFFICE USE THAT WAS EITHER GONNA BE CONJOINED WITH THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL TO THE EAST OR THE, UH, MEDICAL USES TO THE SOUTH.
UM, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT EVER PANNED OUT.
COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU, MR. MULKEY.
UH, WOULD THIS BE CONSIDERED, UH, DOWN ZONING? IT WOULD YEAH.
ANY, ANY KIND OF, UM, COMMERCIAL ZONING, UM, TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT DOWN ZONING.
THEN ALSO IN YOUR CASE REPORT, UH, YOU, YOU USE THE WORD TRANSITIONING AND AS YOU KNOW, YOUR, UH, THE SLIDESHOW HERE, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE USING THIS LITTLE BD TV HERE, SO, YEAH.
UH, I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF INTERESTING THINGS THAT, UM, COUPLE OF, SOME INFORMATION THAT, UH, THAT WE COULD GET, ESPECIALLY FROM A SITE VISIT, WHICH I, I RECEIVED THAT I'M, I'M HOPING THAT WILL BE TRANSMITTED BY YOUR, UH, SLIDES, WHICH IS IF YOU COULD MAYBE WALK US THROUGH FROM, UH, EAST TO WEST HERE, HOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE WITH THE USES? SURE.
THAT FITS RIGHT INTO THE WORD THAT YOU USE IN YOUR CASE REPORT WITH THE TRANSITIONING.
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SO ALONG THE, UH, FRONTAGE HERE OF THIS MAJOR, UH, LIKE THIS PRINCIPAL ARTERIAL, UM, IT'S OWNS CR UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY.UM, CURRENTLY ON, ON, UH, THAT PROPERTY IS A MIX OF GENERAL MERCHANDISE USES PERSONAL SERVICE USES, OFFICE USES MEDICAL CLINICS.
SO THOSE ARE SORT OF NOT SUPER INTENSE, UM, COMMERCIAL USES, ALTHOUGH CR CERTAINLY ALLOWS FOR SOME, THEY'RE SORT OF MEDIUM INTENSITY COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THAT, AS YOU GO WEST ON GLENFIELD AVENUE IS, UM, WHAT IS PRIMARILY ZONED IN OUR 75 A DISTRICT.
I THINK THAT'S THE MOST COMMON, UM, SINGLE FAMILY ZONING THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY.
AND, AND AS IT SAYS HERE, UM, THOSE ARE ALL ZONED, THOSE ARE DEVELOPED WITH, UH, SINGLE FAMILY USES TODAY.
UM, THE NOA AND THE PA UM, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE IS, IS ONE OF THE OFFICE DISTRICTS THAT'S INTENDED TO BE ADJACENT TO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY.
IT ALLOWS FOR VERY, VERY LOW INTENSITY, UM, OFFICE USES.
UM, AND I THINK SOME PERSONAL SERVICE, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A SCENARIO WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR SOME SORT OF PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UM, ALONG THE EDGE OF AN EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ISN'T TOO INTRUSIVE, UM, AS YOU DESCRIBED, UM, THIS WOULD DEFINITELY BE CONSIDERED A DOWN ZONING, UM, TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, UM, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MORE DENSE OR IT ALLOWS FOR, UM, MORE DENSITY THAN AN R 75 A DISTRICT, BUT IT WOULD STILL BE LESS INTENSE THAN ANY KIND OF DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL USES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MULKEY.
I'LL APOLOGIZE IF YOU COVERED THIS AND I MISSED IT.
UM, YOU COVERED A LOT OF THINGS I HAD WONDERED ABOUT WITH THE BUFFER ZONE AND THE FENCING AND, AND HOW THE, ESSENTIALLY THAT ADJACENCY WOULD BE HANDLED, BUT I DID NOT HEAR THE, UM, HOW THE FRONT YARD SETBACK WOULD RELATE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO THAT CONTINUITY OF THE BLOCK FACE MF TWO WOULD ALLOW FOR 15 FEET.
I THINK R SEVEN FIVE IS TYPICALLY 25, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
SO IS THIS GONNA BE IN FRONT OF THOSE OR WILL THAT 25 SET A STANDARD FOR THEM TO PUSH BACK? YEAH, SO FOR BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, THE, UH, ZONING DISTRICT ALONG THE BLOCK FACE THAT HAS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE SETBACK APPLIES TO ANY OTHER ZONING DISTRICT AROUND THAT BLOCK FACE.
UM, SO YES, IT, I, I BELIEVE YOU'RE CORRECT, 25 FEET IN R SEVEN FIVE A, UH, THOSE LOTS WOULD, UM, ENFORCE A 25 FOOT FRONT SETBACK ON ANY PROPERTIES ON MF TWO A.
YEAH, SO A COUPLE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
UM, THE PROPERTY, AS YOU CAN SEE, OR AS YOU GUYS KNOW, IT'S IN A SLITTER SLITHER OF A SPOT AND IT'S GONNA WRAP AROUND.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE, UM, THE FACILITY THAT IT'S A BUDDING TO IS NOT AN OPERATION CURRENTLY AND, UM, HAS BEEN PURCHASED BY THE CITY FOR FUTURE PLANS.
BUT WILL THESE COMPLEXES PER SE WRAP AROUND THESE PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, THE HOUSES THAT ARE, ARE NEXT DOOR? UM, RIGHT, BECAUSE THIS IS A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE, WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINED, UM, SITE PLAN THAT WOULD BE ADOPTED WITH THE ORDINANCE, UM, FROM SOME CONCEPTUAL SITE PLANS, UM, THAT I'VE SEEN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
UM, I BELIEVE THEIR INTENT IS TO, THERE'S ACTUALLY EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY HERE WHERE IT SAYS, SAYS BARLOW AVENUE, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT KIND OF TERMINATES HERE AT A CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, I BELIEVE THEIR INTENT IS TO, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY PAVED TODAY, BUT TO PAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY, UM, AND TO HAVE, UM, SOME OF THESE DWELLING UNITS FACE, UM, THAT NEWLY CONSTRUCTED STREET.
UM, SO THEIR, THE BACK OF THOSE UNITS WOULD, UM, ABOUT THE BACK OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT FACE GLENFIELD AVENUE.
THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A CONCEPTUAL PLAN.
AND IT'S A BIT CONCERNING FOR ME AND THOSE NEIGHBORS.
COMMISSIONER STAN? YEAH, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HANDLED ONE, BUT GOING TO THE, UH, LAST QUESTION.
WHAT IS THE SETBACK BETWEEN, CUZ THAT'S CONSIDERED, WHAT IS THAT CONSIDERED BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND THE BUILDING? IS THAT CONSIDERED THE REAR YARD OR PART OF THE FRONT YARD? UH, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A REAR YARD.
EVEN THOUGH THE FRONT, LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.
THE FRONT IS ON GLEN, WHATEVER IT IS, RIGHT.
THAT PART THAT JUTS OUT FRONT MM-HMM.
SO EVEN THOUGH THIS ISN'T IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, WHAT IS THE SETBACK BETWEEN THE HOUSES IN THAT? UM, I DON'T BELIEVE AN INCREASED SETBACK ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY IS TRIGGERED, UM, IN AN MF TWO A DISTRICT.
UM, BUT YOU'LL SEE HERE IN THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS OF THE STANDARDS TABLE THAT I CAN ZOOM IN ON CUZ YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING AT TINY LITTLE SCREENS,
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SO FOR A SINGLE FAMILY USE, THAT WOULD JUST BE ONE DWELLING UNIT ON THE ENTIRE LOT.THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY, AND THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED OTHER, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THREE OR MORE DWELLING UNITS ON A LOT.
UM, SO THAT WOULD BE A 10 FOOT SIDE SETBACK AND A 15 FOOT REAR SETBACK.
AND THAT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE APPLICANTS IS VOLUNTEERING.
SO YOU'RE CONSIDERING THAT A REAR, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH.
I MEAN IT'S SORT OF, UH, IT'S AN, IT'S A STRANGE BECAUSE I WOULD CONSIDER THE REAR ON BARLOW IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I MEAN, SO WHAT IS THE, AND THE CUZ 36 FEET THAT CLOSE TO A HOUSE YOU COULD STILL SEE RIGHT INTO THEIR BACK WINDOWS? WELL, IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO R P S.
SO IT IS GONNA STILL BE SUBJECT TO RRP S RIGHT.
FOR THE FIRST 78 FEET AWAY FROM THAT SHARED PROPERTY LINE STRUCTURES COULD NOT EXCEED 26 FEET IN HEIGHT.
ONE LAST QUESTION, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE COVERED THIS.
WAS THERE A COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT THIS? DID THESE PEOPLE GET TO WEIGH IN ON THIS AT ALL? UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN MADE AWARE OF ONE.
AGAIN, OUR LAME BOILER PLATE RESPONSE AS WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE YEAH.
APPLICANTS TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT I HAVEN'T, I'M NOT AWARE THAT ONE OCCURRED ON THIS.
WELL, I MEAN, I GUESS I JUST FEEL LIKE PARTICULARLY AS CLOSE AS THIS IS TO ALL THESE SINGLE FAMILY PEOPLE, I FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME VOICE IN THIS.
I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA HAVE A MAJOR EFFECT ON THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S QUESTION ABOUT BLACKFACE CONTINUITY ON GLENFIELD.
AM I RIGHT THAT BECAUSE THE BARLOW AVENUE FRONTAGE IS A REAR YARD, THERE WOULD NOT BE A SIMILAR BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY REQUIREMENT ALONG BARLOW? I BELIEVE SO.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE THE CASE.
UM, I'M KIND OF HOPING, UM, ONE OF MY COWORKERS THAT USED TO WORK IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS LISTENING INTO THIS MEETING BECAUSE THEY COULD DEFINITELY CONFIRM HOW THAT WOULD BE TREATED.
UH, MR. MULKEY DESCRIBED IT AS A REAR YARD, BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHICH IT IS BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO BLACKFACE CONTINUITY, THEN THOSE TWO HOUSES ON BARLOW TO THE EAST TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, WHICH APPEAR FROM AERIAL PHOTOS TO BE SET BACK THE REQUIRED 25 FEET.
IT, IT MAY BE THAT IF THEY DO, UM, DEVELOP THAT RIGHT OF WAY THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY, THAT WOULD BECOME A STREET.
UM, AND THAT MAY BE TREATED AS A FRONT YARD AS WELL.
IT'S, YEAH, I I I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THAT AND IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT WHEN IT'S ADJACENT TO A, AN UNDEVELOPED STREET RIGHT OF WAY.
NO, WE NEED TO CLARIFY ON THAT.
I I I DON'T THINK I HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I AGREE THAT IT DOES NEED TO BE CLARIFIED, DON'T WE? WE'LL HAVE AN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
DON'T WE HAVE A SIMILAR CASE THAT HAD A THROUGH LOT, ESSENTIALLY A LOT THAT WAS FRONTING ONTO TWO RIGHT OF WAYS DOUBLE FRONT EDGE AND THAT THEY'RE BOTH CONSIDERED TO BE THE FRONT YARD.
YEAH, AND I'M TRYING TO FIND THE PROVISION OF 51 A, BUT HOPEFULLY ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES CAN GET THERE BEFORE I DO DOUBLE FRONT EDGE IS RIGHT, IS WHAT THAT WOULD BE REFERRED TO.
AND SO WOULDN'T THAT, WHY WOULD THAT NOT APPLY TO THIS CASE? BECAUSE OF I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE, YEAH.
EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THE ADJACENT STREET RIGHT OF WAY IS UNDEVELOPED.
BUT WHY WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE? YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD, BUT I'M, I'M ASKING, I BELIEVE IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PLATTED AS RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS I RECEIVED FROM THE APPLICANT, THEY DO INTEND TO PAVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY.
SO I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A FRONT YARD AS WELL.
NOW NEXT QUESTION RELATES TO THE UNDEVELOPED ALLEY RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT BLOCK FACE.
AM I RIGHT? IF THAT IS EVER DEVELOPED, THERE WOULD NOT BE ACCESS ALLOWED FROM THE MULTIFAMILY TO THE ALLEY CAUSE THE ALLEY SERVES RESIDENTIAL ZONING? I BELIEVE SO.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION EITHER.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, JUST ONE FOLLOW UP IN CASE THERE IS ANY, I GUESS LACK OF CLARITY ON BOTH FRONTAGES BEING CONSIDERED AS A FRONT YARD AND TO PRESERVE THE SPIRIT OF 51 A, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO CONSIDER THAT, I GUESS THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO VOLUNTEER THAT AS PART OF THE DE RESTRICTIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? THEY, THEY COULD DO THAT AS WELL.
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HAMPTON, THANK YOU FOR THAT ONE.WAS ANY CONSIDERATION TO MAYBE A MIXED USE BECAUSE IT SITS IN BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND A, UH, COMMERCIAL DISTRICT OR NO? SAY THAT AGAIN.
IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION UNTIL SUCH A, SOMETHING LIKE A MIXED USE BEING SINCE THAT IT SITS IN COMMERCIAL AND IN RESIDENTIAL OR NO, I MEAN A SMALL SCALE, UM, MIXED USE OR WALKABLE MIX USE? YEAH, THE, THE PROPOSAL FROM THE APPLICANT IS JUST FOR RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, I THINK, UH, A MIXED USE DISTRICT WOULD BE A, A TOUGHER SELL, UM OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM ANY OF OUR FOLKS ONLINE? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS WILL BEGIN THE HEARING.
UH, ITEM NINE CASE, UH, Z 2 23 DASH 117.
AND APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN N O A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT, AND A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GLENFIELD AVENUE WEST OF SOUTHAMPTON ROAD.
THE STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MULKEY.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? IS THAT REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE? NOT.
WAS HE ONLINE BEFORE? HAS HE EVER BEEN ONLINE? NO.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER STANDARD, PLEASE.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A QUESTION.
I GUESS I, I GUESS IT'S A QUESTION.
I MEAN, SINCE WE CAN'T CLARIFY RIGHT NOW, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING, SINCE WE CAN'T CLARIFY RIGHT NOW WHAT'S CONSIDERED A FRONT YARD, WHAT'S CON NOT CONSIDERED.
SO THEREFORE IT AFFECTS WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE AND, AND THOSE, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT IMPACTS THE, THE NEIGHBORS.
UH, SHOULDN'T WE POSSIBLY HOLD THIS OVER UNTIL WE CAN FIND THAT OUT? YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I'M MESSAGING MY COWORKERS ASKING FOR HELP AND THEY THINK I'M JOKING.
I ACTUALLY NEED
SO IF JENNIFER ALL GEER, THAT IS AN OPTION.
WE, WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT.
THE APPLICANT WAS IN CONTACT WITH COMMISSIONER HERBERT AND IT'S, UH, WE'RE SURPRISED HE'S, HE'S NOT HERE.
SO, UM, HE DID REGISTER TO SPEAK, SO MAYBE SOMETHING HAPPENED.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT WASN'T OUR COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THIS CITY.
SO WHEN THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS WITH OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS IS ALMOST LIKE IMPOSING ONTO THE COMMUNITY, THIS HITS TOO CLOSE.
IT'S IN THE RESIDENTIAL, BOTH SIDES OF THE APARTMENTS AND THE REAR SI, UH, BACKS TO RESIDENTIAL THAT HAS ALWAYS HAD RESIDENTIAL USES, UH, SURROUNDED.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST, I MEAN, ADVISE A COMMUNITY MEETING WHILE I'VE BEEN THERE.
THE CASE PLUS THERE WERE SEVEN IN OPPOSITION.
WE'RE WE'RE STILL AT QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.
MR. MULKEY, ARE YOU MR, I HAVE TO BE MISS COMMISSIONER STANDARDS, PLEASE.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT THERE'S, LET'S TRY TO LIMIT THE, ARE YOU AWARES WE GET ENOUGH? ARE YOU AWARE?
THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE EVER SEEN HIM TIE TIE TONE.
SO WE ARE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE WHETHER IT WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING OR NOT, CORRECT? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A COMMUNITY MEETING.
I HAVE NOT BEEN A MAID AWARE OF ONE.
UM, THE DISTRICT COMMISSIONER ALSO SAID THAT, AS IN, DURING HIS TIME, UM, AS THE COMMISSIONER, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A COMMUNITY MEETING.
UM, COMMISSIONER RUBEN MIGHT BE ABLE TO ELUCIDATE.
UM, BUT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING ARE ARE YOU AWARE OF WHETHER
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THERE WERE OUTREACH EFFORTS OTHER THAN A COMMUNITY MEETING SUCH AS HIS DOOR-TO-DOOR CONTACT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? IN THE FORM OF A QUESTION? I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THAT HAPPENING.MR. MR. MULKEY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT COMMISSIONER HERBERT INTENDS TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 18TH? I AM NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.
I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IN THIS MATTER AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE MAY 18TH MEETING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER IER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 18TH.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES CASE NUMBER 10.
UH, ZONING NUMBER, CASE NUMBER 10 Z 2 1 2 300 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON A PROPERTY THAT'S ON, UH, DA DUPLEX DISTRICT WITHIN P 5 95.
THE SOUTH SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
IT IS IN AN AREA THAT'S BOUNDED BY WARREN AVENUE, WENDELL KING STREET, JULIUS SHEP'S FREEWAY, PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE IN SOUTH HARDWOOD STREET.
AND IT'S, UM, 4.3 ACRES IN AREA.
YES, IT IS IN SOUTH DALLAS AS I WAS SAYING.
YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED BLUE, THE SUBJECT SIDE.
YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT UPPER, UM, THE FOREST FOURTH THEATER, SO WE CAN KNOW EX COME KINDA LIKE WHERE WE ARE.
AND, UH, MLK BOULEVARD, IT'S SURROUNDED BY A COMBINATION OF SINGLE FAMILY AND UNDEVELOPED LAND.
UH, ZONING AROUND IT IS PD 5 95, UM, DUPLEX DISTRICT.
THE BACKGROUND, THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED TO THE PUBLIC ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, MARTIN LUER KING, JR.
LEARNING ACADEMY FOR GRADES PRE-K THROUGH SIXTH GRADE.
CURRENTLY IT IS DEVELOPED WITH A, A BUILDING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OVER 72,000 SQUARE FEET.
IT HAS PORTIONS THAT ARE ONE AND TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT.
APPEARS TO BE BUILT IN 1980S, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO EXPAND THE SCHOOL TO AN APPROXIMATELY 83,000 SQUARE FEET AND TO ADD GRADE SEVEN AND EIGHT AND STORM SHELTER, SCIENCE LABS, FINE ARTS SPACES.
IT'S AN OVERALL IMPROVEMENT OF THE SCHOOL.
IT HAS A PRELIMINARY PLA THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.
SO WE'RE GONNA START IN THIS CORNER ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE AND WE ARE GONNA JUST MOVE CLOCKWISE AROUND THE BILL, UH, AROUND THE SIDE LOOKING AT THE SITE AND UM, ACROSS.
SO THIS IS ASIDE FROM PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE ACROSS THE STREET ON PENNSYLVANIA, UM, CORNER WITH HARWOOD.
THIS IS THE CORNER OF HARWOOD ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS THE SIDE FROM HARWOOD, SAME OTHER FURTHER DOWN THE STREET.
WE'RE, UH, GETTING CLOSER TO THE CORNER ACROSS THE STREET.
THIS IS THE SITE WITH THE PLAYGROUND ACROSS THE STREET ON WARREN AVENUE.
THIS IS THE SITE, THEY'RE KINDA LIKE MAIN ENTRANCE FROM WARREN AVENUE.
IT'S AT THE CORNER OF WARREN AND WENDELL KIN, UM, THE CORNER ACROSS WARREN AND WENDELL KIN.
SAME LIKE IT HAS A PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT.
THIS IS LOOKING DOWN THE STREET ON WENDELL KING TOWARDS THE FREEWAY, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA SEE FEW PROGRESSIONS OF THE SITE.
THIS IS THE BACK, AND THIS IS BASICALLY WHERE THE, UH, FRONTAGE ROAD AND THE PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE MEET, AND WE'RE COMING BACK TO PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AGAIN, IT'S AN U IT'S GONNA COMPLY WITH EVERYTHING IN, UM, IN THE DUPLEX DISTRICT IN PD 5 95.
I NOTED IN HERE THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A ONE AND TWO STORY BUILDING.
UH, THAT'S WHAT'S EXISTING AND IT'S PROPOSED TO BE MAINTAINED.
THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE OTHER STANDARDS.
UM, LAST YESTERDAY EVENING, YOU RECEIVED AN UPDATE TO THE TMP WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT.
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UM, THEY ADDRESSED SOME COMMENTS AND THEY CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.THEIR TMP THAT TRIGGERED A CHANGE IN THE S U P SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN STAFF IS FULLY, FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UH, CHANGE BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT, UH, FOR A LONG TIME.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR PACKET IS BASICALLY SHOWING THIS DRIVEWAY THAT'S ALONG PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE INTERNAL.
IT'S SHOWING HAVING A DRIVEWAY ACCESS.
THEY ELIMINATED THAT SINCE THEN, AND THEY, UM, SIMPLY THEY ARE CONNECTING THE BACK PARKING LOTS FROM A WE KING TO HARWOOD.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HIGHLIGHTED THE TWO STORY AND ONE STORY ADDITIONS THAT ARE COMING IN.
UM, OUTSIDE OF, IT'S BASICALLY AN EXPANSION.
YOU CAN SEE SIDEWALKS, YOU CAN SEE PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE USUALLY SEE WITH THE SCHOOLS.
UM, AS I WAS SAYING, THIS IS AN UPDATE OF THE TMP, UM, STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDED EVERYTHING TO HAPPEN, BASICALLY TO, TO KEEP TRAFFIC AS MUCH FROM PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE AS POSSIBLE, THAT BEING A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, AND TO KEEP AS MUCH ON THEIR PROPERTY.
SO BASICALLY IT'S JUST GOING CLOCKWISE AROUND THE SCHOOL, WHICH IS PRETTY NORMAL.
UM, BUT THEY ARE SEPARATE STILL SEPARATING FOR GRADES AND PRE-K THROUGH K ARE GONNA COME HERE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF WENDELL KING AND HAVE THEIR DROP OFF PICK, UM, ALONG PENNSYLVANIA.
UM, I WANNA STOP A LITTLE BIT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE IT, IT IS A LITTLE, IT IS DEVIATING A LITTLE BIT FROM ARTICLE 10, AND I WILL EXPLAIN WHY.
UH, WE DID CHECK, UH, CPC AND COUNCIL HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH AN U THAT DEVIATES US FROM THE ARTICLE 10, AS LONG AS IT'S REASONABLY CONSISTENT.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT MULTIPLE RUNS OF REVIEW, AND I WANNA GIVE THEM A KUDOS HERE BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, A REALLY TOUGH SITE AS IT IS.
AND, UH, IT NEEDS ALL OF THESE ADDITIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS AND WE ALL AGREE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES THAT ARE SHOWN IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS A CONCESSION THAT THE APPLICANT MADE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED STREET, UH, STREET TREES.
FOR ARTICLE 10, IT'S NOT FULL, BUT IT, WE'RE STILL GETTING CLOSE, I THINK.
UM, WE'RE JUST LIKE NINE TREES SHORT.
UM, ALL THE OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE THE STREET BUFFER ZONE, RESIDENTIAL BUFFER ZONE, THOSE ARE EXISTING SITUATIONS AND THEY DON'T TOUCH THOSE PARKING LOTS.
UM, THEY ARE DEFICIENT BY FIVE POINTS, BUT WE'RE COMPLETELY CONFIDENT THAT BY USING MORE, UM, GREEN MATERIALS, THEY, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE UP FOR THOSE POINTS AT PERMITTING.
AND WITH THE SITE TREES, THEY'RE PERFECTLY FINE.
SO I WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE SITE IS SO COMPLICATED.
THIS IS AN FYI EXHIBIT THAT THE APPLICANT, WE ASK THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT TO US SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN EXPLORE ANY POSSIBILITY OF SQUEEZING A TREE HERE AND THERE.
SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS THE BUILDING.
WHILE THEY WERE PLATING, THEY DISCOVERED THAT UNDER THE BUILDING THERE IS A MAIN SEWER LINE THAT IS A PUBLIC SEWER LINE.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE PLA AND THEY HAVE TO FINAL PLAT AND ALL OF THAT, UM, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE PRELIMINARY PLANT WAS TO RELOCATE THAT FROM OUT OF THE BILL UNDER THE BUILDING AND PUT IT AS CLOSE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AS POSSIBLE.
THERE ARE MAJOR, MAJOR UTILITY CONSTRAINTS OF WHY THIS CANNOT GO RIGHT NOW ONTO PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
SO THEY ARE PROPOSING TO RELOCATE WHAT YOU SEE IN RED IN HERE TO RELOCATE THAT MAIN SEWER LINE ON THEIR SIDE TOWARDS PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
THAT REQUIRES A 30 FOOT EASEMENT FOR PROTECTION.
THEN IF YOU LOOK ON HARDWOOD, YOU SEE WHAT YOU SEE IN BLUE HERE IS ACTUALLY A MAIN WATER LINE, WHICH AGAIN, IS ON THEIR PROPERTY.
INSTEAD OF BEING ON THE STREET, THE, THE LUCKY WINNERS, UH, CITIES REQUIRING A 40 FOOT EASEMENT FOR THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO TOUCH IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO EAT, BUT THEY CANNOT PLANT ANYTHING AND THEY REALLY, REALLY MUST PROTECT THE WATER LINE THAT'S UNDER, THAT'S UNDERGROUND BEING AN OLD ONE.
SO THEREFORE, UH, THEY'RE VERY, VERY CONSTRAINED ON ADDING ANY TREES ALONG HARDWOOD, UH, ALONG HALF OF HARDWOOD.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY AGAIN, AND WITH THEIR ADDITION WITH THEIR EXISTING PARKING LOTS, THEY ARE TRYING TO, TO MEET AND THEY ARE MEETING THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE, AND TRYING TO MEET ALL THE TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING ON TOP OF THAT, WE NEEDED TO SQUEEZE IN AS MANY TREES AS POSSIBLE.
SO AGAIN, I SIMPLY CONGRATULATE THE APPLICANT FOR BEING, UM, OPEN TO PUT THE REQUIRED TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IT'S BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF ROUNDS OF REVIEW.
THESE ARE THE CONSTRAINTS AND I THINK WE GOT A GOOD SOLUTION.
UH, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ARE THE, BASICALLY WHAT YOU SEE WITH EVERY, UM, SCHOOL, NEW, NEW TYPE OF SCHOOL THAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, I HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW WHAT I WANTED TO PUT UNDER YOUR ATTENTION.
AGAIN, WE'RE VOTING ON ATTACHED
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LANDSCAPE PLAN AS WELL OR SUBJECT TO YOUR CONSIDERATION AT LANDSCAPE PLAN.UM, WE HAVE OUR NORMAL, UH, SIDEWALK WIDTH WITH THE BUFFERS.
WE WORKED ON THOSE BUFFERS TO MAKE SURE THE TREES, ACTUAL BIG TREES CAN FIT IN THOSE, UM, THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES THAT WE'RE USED TO.
THEY'RE ALSO, UM, IN HERE IN THE CONDITIONS, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, NORMAL TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT THIS MORNING,
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO LIKE HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN WITH THE HIGHLIGHTS ON THE PORTIONS THAT, UM, ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, SO WITH THIS BEING SAID, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, I'M SAYING REVISE BECAUSE IT'S REVISED WHAT YOU SUBMITTED YESTERDAY AND IS BRIEFED LANDSCAPE PLAN, SITE PLAN AND TMP IS BRIEFED AND CONDITIONS.
THERE, UH, QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, CARPENTER.
DRE, GIVEN OUR DISCUSSION THIS MORNING ABOUT, UM, THE FACT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO STORY LIMITATIONS OR HEIGHT LIMITATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE NONE IN THE CONDITIONS, AND WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO ADDING A CONDITION TO THE CONDITIONS THAT, UM, WOULD SAY THAT THE AREAS ON THE SITE PLAN DENOTED AS ONE STORY EXISTING AND ADDED AND TWO STORY WOULD, WOULD STAY THAT WAY? I DON'T, OR PUT A HIGH, I DON'T KNOW HOW HONEST THEY CAN BE HERE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ACTUALLY WE DID ASK THE APPLICANT TO GO HIGHER TO REDESIGN IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE SITE IS SO TIGHT AND THERE IS SO MUCH BUILDING ON IT, SO WE WOULD PREFER THIS SITUATION FOR THEM TO GO HIGHER, BUT IT, THEY, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE, THEY'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AS IS ONE TO TWO STORIES.
THEY DON'T HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION TO GO HIGHER THAN THAT.
UH, THEY WILL EXPLAIN THEIR ARCHITECTURE AND THEIR PROPOSAL.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY DANGER THAT THIS SCHOOL WILL EVER BE HIGHER.
WE ALSO HAVE TO KEEP INTO CONSIDERATION THAT, UM, AGAIN, D AREA IS IN TRANSITION, IT MAY TRANSITION TO MORE OF A MIXED USE TYPE OF SITUATION.
THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, I INSISTED ON SO MANY TREES AND STUFF, SO I DO NOT HAVE CONCERNS, BUT IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION IF WE WANNA PROPOSE THAT.
UH, AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION, PLEASE.
UM, IT CONCERNS, UM, THE PROVISION HERE FOR ELECTRICAL VEHICLE PARKING AND CHARGING.
IS THIS GOING TO BE A, A STANDARD CONDITION MOVING FORWARD? IS, IS PROVIDING THESE TYPES OF STATIONS SOMETHING THAT'S, UM, WAS IT DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT? IS IT PROVI? IS IT, UM, PRESENTING THEM WITH ANY PARTICULAR CHALLENGES OR IS THIS JUST GOING TO BE STANDARD GOING FORWARD AND GONNA EVEN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE GENERAL BUILDING CODE? UH, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS QUESTION.
WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REEVALUATE.
I THIS KIND OF LIKE, I THINK THE DOCKET WAS OUT AND EVERYTHING WAS OUT RIGHT WHEN COUNCIL WAS APPROVING THE EV CHARGING STATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR ALL THE CONSTRUCTION CODES.
SO IT WAS LIKE A SEVEN PART OR SEVEN TYPE OF CODES THAT COUNCIL APPROVED AMENDMENTS IN THE LAST COUNCIL HEARING.
AND I'M NOT CERTAIN, SO WE NEED TO TALK INTERNALLY TO SEE IF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WERE APPLIED TO THEM.
THIS IS MY LONG-WINDED ANSWER TO SAY THAT PROBABLY THE CONDITION IS REDUNDANT ANYWAY, BECAUSE PROBABLY WITH THE NO NEWCO REDO, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED IN SOME SORT, BUT I NEED TO, I CANNOT SAY FOR SURE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE LEFT IT IN JUST BECAUSE WE HAD IT RECENTLY IN OTHER CASES.
ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP TO THAT, UH, TO CO COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF EVS OR IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT WE'RE IN A BIT OF A TRANSITION WHILE, WHILE THAT IS BEING IMPLEMENTED AND THAT IS WHY IT'S NOT SHOWING UP, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A SITE PLAN AND IN THIS BODY DOESN'T EXACTLY KNOW WHERE ON SITE THESE CARS WILL BE CHARGED? UH, YEAH, THAT, YES.
AND I WOULD SAY THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS JUST A SMALL EQUIPMENT PROBABLY YOU CAN PUT IT ANYWHERE ON SITE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU.
JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THE HEIGHT, UM, DISCUSSION, WHILE AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.
WHAT WE HEARD THIS MORNING WAS THAT IF THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CONDITIONS THAT LIMITS IT, THAT IT IS, IT WOULD THEN DEFAULT TO BASE, WHICH IS UNLIMITED HEIGHT.
SO EVEN IF IT WAS A, YOU KNOW, A A A LOT OF MORE ROBUST THAN ANTICIPATED HEIGHT, WOULDN'T THAT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, UM, BODY TO CONSIDER ADDING? JUST AGAIN, FUTURE FLEXIBILITY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY, OKAY, I WILL MAKE A POINT.
LIKE IF THEY ADD ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WITH THAT TRIGGER ADDITIONAL ENROLLMENT, THEREFORE THEY WILL HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR
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TMP.THEREFORE PROBABLY THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY ANYWAY.
SO I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT I THINK IF THEY, THEY WILL CHANGE SOMETHING SO DRASTICALLY TO GO LIKE THREE AND OTHER FLOORS UP, IT MEANS THAT THE SCHOOL ITSELF IS CHANGING.
SO IT HAS TO COME BACK TO CHANGE THE DISCIPL PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THE TMP.
ANYWAY, I'M TRYING TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT IS THE WORST CASE SCENARIO? I, AND THEN IF THEY ADD ANOTHER STORY, THEY ALREADY HAVE A TWO-STORY BUILDING ON SITE.
I, I UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE.
I GUESS I'M ALSO JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH KIND OF WHERE WE THINK OVERALL APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS MAY BE AS WE START TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, PLEASE.
UH, YEAH, I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING.
SID AND I WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON ON THIS, BUT WE WERE JUST TALKING, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THIS EV I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE SORT OF SET OUR OWN PRESIDENT HERE AT CPC THAT ON EVERY, ALMOST EVERY SCHOOL RECENTLY, WE HAVE REQUIRED ONE EV AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN GOING ABOUT THREE OR FOUR, UH, MOBILE VEHICLES.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS YOU MUST PROVIDE THE EV AND AGAIN, I'LL LET COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SPEAK TO THIS, THE EV WIRING HAS TO BE DONE AT THIS TIME OF BUILDING.
IT ISN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, THE MO THE MULTI MOBILITY IS YOU JUST BRING IN THAT THING, BUT NOT THE EV.
SO THAT DOES HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH AT THIS POINT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
I NEED, AGAIN, I NEED TO GO BACK, TALK TO BI, LOOK AT THE, THE OTHER CODES BECAUSE THEY BI DID AN AMENDMENT DEVELOPMENT SOURCES, DID AN AMENDMENT TO THE INTERNATIONAL, UH, COMMERCIAL CODE BUILDING CODE TO ADD THAT AS A REQUIREMENT ANYWAY.
SO AGAIN, IF IT KICKS IN AT PERMIT AT BI, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE, UH, THE CODE REQUIREMENT.
BUT I, I, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, AND IT DEPENDS, LIKE FOR THIS CALL, FOR INSTANCE, IT'S GONNA HAVE ADDITION ONLY IN TWO PLACES.
IT'S NOT ALL OVER AND THEY DON'T PLAN TO BREAK ALL PARKING LOTS.
SO YES, THEY WILL HAVE TO WIRE SOMEWHERE AND THAT WILL BE A CONSTRAINT ON WHERE YOU PUT THIS CHARGING STATIONS, COMMISS, WHEELER.
UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FENCING THIS MORNING.
UM, WOULD THAT BE, ARE WE, WILL WE BE PUTTING THAT IN THIS PLAN? BECAUSE MOST OF THE I SD SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR, IN THAT AREA, UM, ARE BEGINNING TO PUT IN THE FENCE IS AROUND IT.
UM, AND DO THEY HAVE TO GO TO BI OR WILL WE PUT, CAN WE PUT THAT IN THE PROVISION THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED UP TO SIX FEET AS LONG AS IT'S A SEE THROUGH, UM, METAL LIKE FENCE, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT HAPPENING.
AND I WOULD HATE FOR THE KID THEM TO HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US TO GET THAT AND STUDENT SAFETY IN THIS AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S TRANSITIONING, WE STILL HAVE ISSUES IN THAT AREA.
UH, EVEN SCHOOLS IN AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE MAJOR CRIME AROUND IT, THEY STILL, WE HAVE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS AND SO TO HAVE THEM HAVE TO WAIT, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN JUST ASK THAT PROVISION BEFORE OR ASK THEM DURING THE PROCESS? DO YOU ALL THINK YOU MIGHT MAYBE SITUATIONAL SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US? UM, THE, THE FENCES ARE ALREADY SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO YOU'LL SEE WHAT'S IN THE FRONT YARD, WHICH IS WARREN AND PENNSYLVANIA BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE SMALL ONES.
YOU HAVE FOUR FOOT, UH, FENCES AND THEN ON THE SIDES ON HARDWOOD.
AND WENDELL CAN, THEY HAVE SIX FOOT FENCES, SO WIRE THAT ARE ALLOW SIX FOOT, IF THERE'RE SEE THROUGH FENCE, COULD WE COULD A FOUR FOOT FENCE, A KID CAN JUMP OVER.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS AND THE SIX FOOT PROVISION.
I WAS IN CLASS, SO I DIDN'T GET TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT THAT SIX FOOT FENCE IS IMPERATIVE.
THERE'S NOWHERE, I DON'T SEE THE SIX FOOT FENCE MEAN FOUR FOOT FENCE IS AT ANY OTHER AGES.
I WANNA SAY I THINK I'M RIGHT.
I THINK SO I ASKED THE APPLICANT, AND IT WAS NOT FOUR FOOT, IT WAS SIX FOOT, NO ONE AT SCHOOLS SEE THROUGH METAL.
YOU COULD SEE RIGHT THROUGH IT.
SO IT'S NOT BLOCKING THE RIGHT OF WAY.
A FOUR FOOT FENCE IS NOT A PROTECTOR, IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A, IT'S CUTE, BUT IT NOT, I THINK, NO, THE FOUR FOOT I THINK WORKS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE AT EVERY SCHOOL.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE NEW STANDARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE FRONT YARDS WE HAVE THE FOUR, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE IS.
BUT IS THERE A PROVISION IF THEY SIX FOOT, SEE-THROUGH THE, WITH METAL GATE? ALL OF THEM, ALL OF THEM ARE SEE-THROUGH AND THEY SAY RAW IRON, SO THEY HAVE THE, THE MATERIAL MENTIONED ON THE SITELINE.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US IF IT'S SIX, IF THEY WANTED A SIX FOOT IN THE FRONT YARD, WELL IT, THAT'S A VARIANCE.
I WOULD SAY IT'S, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT.
WE COULD WE ALLOW, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD ALLOW THAT AND LET BI CONSIDER THAT? BECAUSE IF
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YOU, IF IT WASN'T A, IF IT WASN'T A SCHOOL AND IT WAS JUST A BUSINESS AND THEY WANTED A SIX FOOT IRON UH, FENCE, THEY WOULD JUST GO TO BI AND GET A PERMIT.IF IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IF IT'S NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL.
SO IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, YOU CANNOT HAVE TALLER THAN FOUR FEET IN THE FRONT YARD.
UH, THEY CAN ASK FOR A VARIANCE WITH BDA IF THEY WANT TO, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY INTEND TO PUT A HIGHER FENCE ON THIS SCHOOL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT IN, IN CONSIDERATION OF THE T THE, UM, TRAFFIC PLAN.
UH, THERE'S A VERY POPULAR SCHOOL IN THAT AREA AND THAT THEY, THEIR TMP ISN'T THAT GOOD?
DO YOU, HAS THAT BEEN CONSIDERED? I DIDN'T READ THE TMP THOROUGHLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF DAVID IS ONLINE, BUT I'M HOPING THAT I SEE THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER HERE AND THEY CAN ADDRESS THAT.
YOU SAID THAT WITH THE MICROPHONE ON
UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THE, THE, THE CHANGES THAT WERE DONE TO THE PARTICULAR, UH, TMP IN THE LAST 48 HOURS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.
WHEN I, I I JUST, WHEN THIS WAS, WHEN THIS WAS, UM, ORIGINALLY, UM, WENT BEFORE THE COMMUNITY.
I WAS NOT THE COMMISSIONER, BUT THEN I WAS BRIEFED ON IT ABOUT 48 TO 72 HOURS AGO.
AND IT WAS IMMEDIATELY THE, THAT NOT ONLY THAT, THAT, UM, ALSO, UM, S W RIGHT IN THE NEAR FUTURE WILL NO LONGER BE A FREEWAY, BUT A BOULEVARD, AN EIGHT LANE BOULEVARD THAT IS BUILT UP.
UM, ALL THOSE WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SCHOOL JUST SO HAPPENED WAS IN THE AREA WHEN HE CALLED ME, HE LOOKED.
AND SO THAT'S HOW WE KINDA GOT, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE A, THE ENTRYWAY NO LONGER ON PENNSYLVANIA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? MR. CHAIR, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER RUBEN, JUST, JUST ONE REAL QUICK QUESTION.
THIS IS AGAIN, MY LAWYER BRAIN, UM, GOING IN, GOING IN THIS DIRECTION, I, I THINK I HEARD THE WORD PRECEDENT EARLIER.
I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION FROM I GUESS, THE CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE PRACTICES SOMETIMES THAT WOULD REPEAT FROM D I S D SCHOOL TO D I S D SCHOOL, BUT DO ANY DECISIONS IN ONE CASE SET A PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHER CASE THAT WE, WE CONSIDER? THANK YOU FOR CALLING THAT OUT.
UH, VICE CHAIR RUBEN KNOW YOU'RE CORRECT.
THERE IS NO PRECEDENTS THAT EACH, EACH CASE IS CONSIDERED ON THEIR OWN MERITS.
UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.
UH, YES FOR MS. ANDREA, UH, APROPO THIS MORNING'S DISCUSSION ON INCLUDING HEIGHT OR STORY LIMITATIONS IN S U P CONDITIONS FOR SCHOOLS.
IF IT WERE DESIRED TO LIMIT, UH, THE NUMBER OF STORIES TO TWO, WOULD THAT BE AN APPROPRIATE ADDITION TO THE U CONDITIONS? IT'S UP TO THE BODY, YES.
JUST A, I THINK A CLARIFICATION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, IF I MAY, ON THE EV PARKING STATION, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED IN OUR BRIEFING, UM, THIS MORNING, AS WELL AS, UM, A COMMENT HERE, THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY ADOPTED AMENDMENTS TO OUR BUILDING CODES, UM, INCLUDING BUILDING CODE, ELECTRICAL CODE.
UM, THE DRAFT AMENDMENTS INCLUDE EV READY, UM, EVS CHARGING AND EV UM, I'VE NOW LOST MY WORDS, BUT ANYWAY.
UM, THOSE APPEAR TO BE PLANNED FOR ADOPTION IN MAY.
THIS IS APPROVED, THIS GOES FORWARD.
THE S U P CONDITIONS WILL CONTROL, OR THE NEW BUILDING CODE WILL CONTROL.
ASK THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.
THE S U P CONDITIONS WOULD CONTROL.
THE S U CONDITIONS WOULD CONTROL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER BLAIR, PLEASE? I WANNA, UM, PIGGYBACK ON, ON COMMISSIONER RUBINS, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBENS COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR RUBENS, UM,
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THEN WHY? HOW ARE WE SETTING PRECEDENTS BASED ON DOING THINGS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS TO BE THE WAY IT IS? IF WE'RE GONNA, IF EVERYTHING'S SUPPOSED TO BE ON ITS OWN MERIT, IF THERE ARE PRACTICES THAT THE COMMISSION INFORMALLY ADOPTS, THERE ARE PRACTICES, THE COMMISSION INFORMALLY ADOPTS, BUT EACH CASE IS CONSIDERED ON ITS OWN MERITS.THERE IS NO PRECEDENT THAT YOU COULD POINT TO AND GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, WE DID IT LAST MONTH, SO WE HAVE TO DO IT THAT WAY AGAIN THIS MONTH.
EACH CASE IS CONSIDERED ON ITS OWN.
SO WOULD THAT ALSO MEAN THAT IF WE ARE, IF THE BO THIS BODY IS PRESENTED A PRACTICE THAT WE, THAT IS REQUESTED THE, THIS BODY TO FOLLOW, THEN WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ON IT.
IT'S MERIT AND INDIVIDUALLY EVERYTHING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED INDIVIDUALLY ON ITS OWN MERITS.
COMMISSIONER, I, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CONSISTENCY.
SO I'M TRYING TO HELP, I'M TRYING TO GET YOU TO HELP ME WITH MY CONSISTENT, WITH MY LINEAR MIND.
BEING CONSISTENT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT.
I, I WOULD TRUST JAMIE TO SAY THE CONSISTENCY.
IT MEANS THAT, AGAIN, YOU GIVE A FAIR WORD, A FAIR ATTENTION TO ALL THE GOOD BASIC PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONSISTENCY AND PRECEDENT IS, IS DANIEL POINTED OUT, A PRESIDENT WOULD SAY, YOU MUST DO WHAT YOU DID LAST TIME, BEC, BUT THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO CASE.
THE ZONING CASE IS ONE BY ONE.
IT'S JUST THAT WE WOULD USE SIMILAR CASES AS ADVISEMENT AS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT CAN ADVISE US ON FUTURE CASES.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS.
WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO CUZ IT MIGHT BE ONE THING TO COME IN AND CHANGE CHANGE, BUT IT'S FOR GOOD FOR AN ADVISEMENT.
KEEPING UP ON THE ADVISEMENT FROM
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
CAN YOU PLEASE READ INTO THE RECORD ITEM NUMBER? UH, 10.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTIES ON THE DA DUPLEX DISTRICT WITH IMPLANT DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT IN AN AREA BOUNDED BY WARREN AVENUE, WENDELL KING STREET, JULIUS SHEP'S FREEWAY, PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE IN SOUTH HARWOOD STREET.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN, A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN, A TRAFFIC, A REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AS BRIEFED AS CONDITIONS.
I AMANTE SNEED AND I AM THE PROUD PRINCIPAL AT DR.
MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR ARTS ACADEMY.
AND I HAVE BEEN SERVING THERE FOR FIVE YEARS.
I HAVE BEEN WITH THE DISTRICT SINCE 2005, SERVING IN A, UM, PLEASANT GROWTH AREA.
I AM JUST HERE TO GIVE YOU JUST A BRIEF, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT'S COMING FROM MY HEART FOR DR.
MY DAUGHTER ATTENDS THAT SCHOOL.
AND JUST FOUR YEARS AGO, GUYS, WE WERE AN IMPROVEMENT REQUIRED SCHOOL, MEANING THE STATE WAS GOING TO TAKE OVER.
WE WERE FAILING IN ALL ASPECTS OF ACADEMICS AS WELL AS CULTURE AND CLIMATE.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE AT 89 BERATED SCHOOL, THE 10TH SCHOOL AND ALL OF DALLAS ISC OUT OF 145 SCHOOLS.
AND WE HAVE FIVE OUTTA SIX DISTINCTIONS.
I'M JUST HERE TO TELL YOU THAT WITH THE ARTS ACADEMY, AND BY THE WAY, WE ARE AN OPEN ENROLLMENT.
SO WE WENT FROM ONE TEACHER THAT WAS SERVING, UM, STUDENTS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS TO NOW TWO FULL-TIME AND TWO TEACHER ASSISTANTS BECAUSE WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO DENY ANY STUDENT THE RIGHT, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY AND BE ABLE TO HAVE PIANO, DANCE, MUSIC, MAKERSPACE, AND ALL DURING THE DAY.
SO I'M JUST HERE TO URGE YOU TO PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE PROVIDE THE STUDENTS AND SUNNY SOUTH DALLAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE SAME STUDENTS WHO JUST FOUR YEARS AGO, THE STATE DEAN FAILING, FAILING SCHOOL, THE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE CLIMATE AND CULTURE, THEY HAD AN ATTENDANCE ISSUE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND NOW WE ARE ON THE ROAD TO BECOMING AN A-RATED, UM, SCHOOL WITH THE SAME STUDENTS WHILE INCREASING ENROLLMENT.
AND YES, I KNOW SOMEONE MENTIONED A SCHOOL THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
WE EVEN HAVE STUDENTS THAT ARE COMING FROM THERE BECAUSE THEY SEE THE OPPORTUNITY THAT DALLAS ISD IS PROVIDING THE STUDENTS IN SUNNY SOUTH DALLAS
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AND THEY WANT A PIECE OF THAT.COULD YOU PLEASE RESTATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE? ROTE LAST NAME IS SNEED, S N E E D.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.
UH, YOLANDA, I'VE GOT OUR FILM
UM, I'M JUST HERE WITH SOME TECHNICAL STUFF, IS NOT, IT'S NOT AS EXCITING ABOUT, UH, EDUCATING CHILDREN AND STUFF.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, CAN, CAN WE SHARE THIS LAPTOP DOWN HERE? IT IT'S JUST THE SITE PLAN.
UM, IT, IT'S PROBABLY NOT ANY BIGGER.
UM, IT CHANGED SINCE YOUR DOCUMENTARY, BUT ANDREA MENTIONED YOU THE CHANGE.
UM, UH, WE HAVE REMOVED THE DRIVEWAY OFF OF PENNSYLVANIA AND CONNECTED THE, THE TWO SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE DRIVEWAY FOR, AND I'M NOT GONNA SPOIL CHRISTIE'S WORK.
UM, BUT UM, AS SHE EXPLAINED TO YOU, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT SITE WITH A, WITH THE 84 INCH PIECE OF STORM PIPE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO REROUTE.
WE COULDN'T PUT IT IN PENNSYLVANIA CUZ THERE'S ALREADY ONE IN THERE.
THERE'S A 40 INCH WATER LINE THERE ALONG, UH, ALONG, UH, HARDWOOD.
UH, SO YOU CAN SEE IN ANOTHER SEWER LINES AND EVERYTHING IN THE AREA.
UM, WE HAVE A TWO STORY EDITION, WHICH IS SOME CLASSROOM AND FINE ARTS STUFF.
UM, AND THEN A ONE STORY, A VERY, A TALL ONE STORY, WHICH IS A BLACK BOX THEATER SITUATION.
UM, WE REALLY CAN'T GO ANY HIGHER BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY, YOU CAN'T GO REALLY ON TOP OF A BLACK BOX AND THEN IT GETS REALLY TALL.
UM, SO, UM, WE ARE, UH, DOING THE BEST WE CAN WITH THE SITE.
AND THIS LAST LITTLE CHANGE, I THINK, UH, HELPS ANY POTENTIAL PROBLEM, UH, THAT MAY HAVE COME UP ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
UM, IT ALSO ALLOWED US TO THEN ADD A COUPLE MORE TREES.
UH, WE WORKED WITH ENGINEERING AND WANT TO THANK THEM TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO BE ABLE TO PLANT TREES NEAR THAT BIG PIECE OF STORM PIPER, ADDING WITH SOME SPECIAL BARRIER ROOT BARRIERS AND SPECIAL ENGINEERED DIRT.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ENGINEER DIRT, BUT THEY CAN ENGINEER DIRT.
UM, BUT UM, SO WE, WE WANT TO THANK ENGINEERING AND, AND ALSO STAFF OF, OF TRYING TO GET AS MANY TREES IN THERE AS WE CAN WITH UN UNDER THE CONSTRAINTS OF AN U.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
SHE'S PULLING UP THE RIGHT, ACTUALLY.
WHERE'S MOUSE? WHEN YOU GOT USED TO A MOUSE AND YOU DON'T HAVE A MOUSE IN HERE? YES, I'M GOOD NOW.
IT'S LIKE AN OLD SCHOOL MOUSE HERE.
HI, I AM CHRISTIE LAMBETH 63 0 1 GASTON AVENUE, SUITE 1129 IN DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND WE DID THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR ARTS ACADEMY.
THIS IS THE AERIAL OVER THE SITE.
AND I APPRECIATE ANDREA SAYING WHAT A ROUGH SITE IT WAS.
I WILL START OFF SAYING THIS IS NOT JOHN LEWIS MIDDLE SCHOOL.
WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH ROOM AS WE HAD HERE.
WE ARE QUEUING ON SITE, BUT WE, I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD PLAN FOR THIS AREA.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS JUST FOR REFERENCE OF WHERE THEY'RE ADDING THE BUILDINGS TO SHOW THAT, UM, IT WAS A TIGHT SITE.
WE HAVE DISMISSAL IN THREE DIFFERENT PERIODS.
WE'RE DISMISSING, OR THREE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS OF STUDENTS WE'RE DISMISSING THE PRE-K AND K KIDS AND THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE SCHOOL, AND THEN THE FIRST THROUGH FIFTH AND THE SOUTHERN PORTION AND THE SIXTH THROUGH EIGHTH, ALSO IN THE SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN PORTION, BUT STAGGERED.
SO THIS IS YOUR EXISTING AND FUTURE CAPACITIES.
AND THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.
THIS ONE HAS A LOT OF NOTES ON IT, BUT NOTES THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR THE TMP.
THE NEXT ONE IS A CLEAN COPY THAT I FEEL LIKE IS JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER.
THERE'S A CLEAN COPY ALSO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO READ WITHOUT ALL THE NOTES.
UM, THIS SHOWS WHERE THE BUSES WILL PICK UP.
THEY CURRENTLY ARE PARKING ON WENDE CAN.
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AND ON THE ORANGE ON THE SIDE, IT SHOWS WHERE THE STUDENTS WALKING FROM THE BUILDING TO REC DIRECTLY TO THE BUSES.THEY WALK ON THE SIDEWALK AND THEN GET DIRECTLY ON THE BUS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO TODAY.
THE BUSES THAT ARE APPROACHING THE SCHOOL WILL WAIT ON THE SOUTHERN PART AND THEN THEY'LL PULL UP AS THEY'RE LOADED.
AND THIS SHOWS THE, UH, PRE-K K PARENTS WILL ENTER OFF OF WENN AND THEY'RE GONNA CIRCULATE AROUND THE SITE THE FIRST THROUGH FIFTH AND THEN SIXTH THROUGH EIGHTH PARENTS ARE GONNA ENTER OFF OF WARREN ON THE BOTTOM.
AND THIS SHOWS IN ZOOMED IN CLOSER OF THE PRE-K K, THEY'LL ENTER OFF OF WINK AND THEN THEY WILL NEXT ONE.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA LOOP AROUND THROUGH THE SITE.
THERE'S, WE INSTALLED A NEW DRIVEWAY THAT'S CONNECTING THE TWO PARKING LOTS AND THEY HAVE THEIR, THEIR LOADING AREA.
AND THIS IS BY THE PRE-K K CLASSROOMS. OKAY.
IF THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE Q THEY CAN DOUBLE Q.
THE PINK LINE SHOWS THE OPTIONAL DOUBLE Q.
THEY CAN FIT 28 VEHICLES THERE, WHICH IS PLENTY FOR THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.
AND THEN THE FIRST THROUGH FIFTH AND THEN SIX TO EIGHT PARENTS WILL ENTER OFF OF THE DRIVE OFF OF WARREN AND THEY WILL QUEUE THROUGH THE SITE.
AND THEN ONCE THIS GETS FULL, WHICH WE EXPECT THIS TO GET FULL, ONCE THIS GETS FULL, THEN THEY WILL ENTER OFF OF, UM, THEY'LL QUEUE BACK ONTO WARREN.
WE RECOMMEND WARREN BE CHANGED TO A ONE-WAY STREET, WHICH WE'RE WORKING WITH TRANSPORTATION ON THAT.
IF THIS GETS FULL, WHICH WE DON'T ANTICIPATE, THEY CAN STILL ENTER OFF OF HARDWOOD STREET, I MEAN Q ON HARDWOOD STREET.
SO THERE'S PLENTY OF QUEUING FOR THIS SITE.
AND THIS IS ALL ADJACENT TO THIS SCHOOL, NOT ON THE PROPERTY.
WE DO RECOMMEND THEY ALL THE STUDENTS WE PICKED UP THROUGH THE Q LINE.
AND THIS SHOWS WE HAVE A SURPLUS OF Q ON THE SITE.
AND FASTER THAN
AND THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THE STAFF, THE STAFF LOVES THESE KIDS.
YOU CAN SEE IT AND HOW THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE STUDENTS JUST IN DISMISSAL.
THEY'RE VERY INVOLVED, THEY'RE VERY PASSIONATE.
THEY TRULY LOVE THE STUDENTS THERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE PICKING UP ALL OF HARDWOOD RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE BLOCKING HARDWOOD ALMOST, ESSENTIALLY, BUT IT'S QUICK.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF BACKGROUND TRAFFIC.
UM, THERE'S ABOUT THREE OR FOUR CARS ON PENNSYLVANIA.
NOT HORRIBLE, BUT WE'LL BE GETTING ALL THAT WITH THIS PLAN WHERE WE GETTING ALL OF THAT OFF OF THE PENNSYLVANIA HARDWOOD INTERSECTION.
AND OUR QUESTION, I EVEN GOT TO THIS.
LAST MINUTE AIDE, THE SCHOOL ZONE, JUST TO SHOW THIS IS MLK AND THEN ST.
PHILLIPS, THERE'S A LONG SCHOOL ZONE THAT ENCOMPASSES BOTH SCHOOLS THERE.
UM, WE DID NOT, WHEN WE WERE DOING OBSERVATIONS, WE DIDN'T SEE THAT TRA TRAFFIC ON PENNSYLVANIA WENT SMOOTHLY.
WE DIDN'T SEE ANY CONGESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
UM, BUT WE DO NOTICE SCHOOL'S THERE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ENGINEERS TO UPDATE THEIR SIGNING AND STRIPING PLANS.
SO THE SCHOOL HAS ALL NEW SIGNS, ALL NEW SCHOOL RELATED SIGNS.
JUST YESTERDAY I REALIZED HOW LONG THIS SCHOOL ZONE WAS.
OH, HERE'S, YOU HAD QUESTIONS.
IT'S THERE WERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD.
THE DISTRICT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER, WILL YOU THERE PLEASE? UM, COUPLE OF CONCERNS I HAD.
UM, IT'S GOING TO BE TO SCHOOL AND OF QUESTIONS THAT HAD, UM, THE TMP TODAY IT'S, IT, IT'S PR IT, IT WOULDN'T WE SAY THAT IT IS, WE CAN'T REALLY, IT'S NOT A FULL DETERMINANT OF THE FUTURE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW BOTH 45 AND S W RIGHT.
AND SO WE DON'T KNOW THE REAL TRAFFIC IMPACT UNTIL THOSE BOTH PROJECTS ARE ARE, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE ONE OF 'EM IS, THERE IS A ALMOST A DIRECT EC EXIT FROM 45 RIGHT NEXT TO THE SCHOOL.
AND THAT, UH, CONCERNING WITH THE BOULEVARD THAT'S COMING AND ALSO THAT IS A MAJOR THREE-WAY TO DOWNTOWN GETTING OFF A FREEWAY IF IT'S PACKED.
WILL WE SAY THAT I THINK THERE COULD BE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ON PENNSYLVANIA.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE, AS YOU'RE CONCERNED AND WE REMOVE THAT DRIVEWAY OFF OF PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, UM, BUT I, THE CARS ARE ABLE TO PRETTY FREELY, AS LONG AS THERE WEREN'T PARENTS PARKED ON HARDWOOD, THEY COULD PRE PRETTY FREELY TURN ONTO HARDWOOD.
AND I KNOW THIS CONCERN SOME OF THE STAFF, THE CONCERN WAS, I MEAN SOME OF THE COMMISSIONS, UM, ROSE, WHY NOT GO UP? UM, WAS THERE A REASONING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WHEN I WAS BRIEFED.
THE FIRST THING I SAID, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST GO UP? BUT THERE WAS A REASONING FOR ENGINEERING THAT COULDN'T, UM, THEY COULDN'T GO UP.
AM I CORRECT? WELL, WE, WE WENT UP WHERE WE COULD, WE ARE ADDING A TWO-STORY
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ADDITION, BUT OTHERWISE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ROOM TO KESHA.DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? THE ARCHITECTS HERE IF SHE WANTS.
UM, I'M KEISHA METHA AND I REPRESENT HKS ARCHITECTS, UM, AS, UH, AS A PLANNER.
AND, UH, CARLOS EXPLAINED THIS WAS A CHALLENGING SITE FOR US AND THE REASON WHY WE DID THE TWO STORY ACADEMIC WING ON ONE SIDE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THE ADDITION TO THE FINE STORY ON THE SOUTH WAS BECAUSE THE FINE ART CONSISTS OF BLACK BOX THEATER, A DANCE STUDIO, WHICH NEEDS A, A HIGHER, UM, CEILING HEIGHT.
AND SO WE HAD TO GO REAL TALL THERE.
SO PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THAT FIRST ON THE ACADEMIC WING, IF WE GREW THAT TO ADDING MORE FLOWS TO IT, FIRST WE DID NOT HAVE THE FOOTPRINT.
THE ACADEMIC PING IS ONLY 6,000 SQUARE FEET FOOTPRINT.
SO 6,000 PLUS TWO, SO THAT COMES UP TO 12,000.
AND TO GET THAT PROGRAM ON THE ACADEMIC WING, IT WOULD BE LIKE 16 FEET EACH FLOOR.
SO THAT WOULD JUST KEEP ADDING THE HEIGHTS.
AND WE ARE SO CLOSE TO THE PENNSYLVANIA THAT THAT WOULD START KICKING IN, REQUIRE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AT THE PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE.
SO THAT IS A REASON WHY WE HAD TO SPREAD THE TWO PROGRAMS. ALSO, UM, THE FINAL QUESTION IS WE KNOW THAT THEY SERVICE THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS ALSO MAYBE TO THE PRINCIPAL, I THINK TO THE PRINCIPAL.
UM, CUZ EVEN THOUGH THIS IS AN ELEMENTARY, BUT IT IS NOT THIS A SCHOOL THAT'S A FEEDER TO, UH, IT MIGHT BE A FEEDER INTO THE BOOKER T WASHINGTON.
ARTS ACADEMY IS NOT A FEEDER TO BOOKER T I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WERE CALLING US A BABY BOOKER T THERE IS NO FEEDER TO BOOKER T UM, AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ALMOST 20% OF OUR SCHOLARS THAT WILL BE ATTENDING THE GREAT JAMES MADISON AND THOSE THAT ARE LOOKING TO NOT ATTEND.
JAMES MADISON WILL BE ATTENDING, UM, LINCOLN, BUT THE HUMANITIES AS WELL.
BUT NO, WE ARE NOT A BABY BOOKER T AND WE DO NOT HAVE A NATURAL FEEDER.
SO, SO OUR KID, OUR SCHOLARS WHO WILL BE GOING TO HIGH SCHOOL AND ALL OF THAT IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
RIGHT NOW THEY'LL BE AN, I'M SORRY, THEY ARE SEVENTH GRADERS RIGHT NOW.
BUT JUST SPEAKING TO THE PARENTS AND THE UM, SCHOLARS, WE ARE NOT A BABY BOOKER TEAM.
SO, SO HOW MANY WILL BE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTH DALLAS AREA BECAUSE IT IS ACADEMY, RIGHT? HOW MANY STUDENTS DO WE HAVE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY? PROBABLY RIGHT NOW, ABOUT 25% OR SO.
AND WILL THAT RAISE IN THE FUTURE POSSIBLY OR NO? WELL, I DON'T SEE THAT NUMBER RAISING IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE STILL HAVE THE SAME SCHOLARS THAT WE HAD.
WE JUST INCREASED OUR NUMBERS.
SO WE DID NOT LOSE ANY SCHOLARS.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES, THERE'S A, A LOT OF GROWTH ON PENNSYLVANIA.
A A LOT OF, UM, FAM SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY BEING, UH, DUPLEXES.
UM, AND THE SIDEWALKS TO GET TO THE SCHOOL AREN'T AS PRETTY.
UM, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN ABLE TO EITHER WORK WITH THE CITY OR THINK ABOUT THAT FOR, ESPECIALLY YOU AS THE PRINCIPAL IS COMING FROM EITHER THE ST.
PHILLIPS SIDE TO GET UNDER THAT BRIDGE EVEN THERE'S SECTIONS OF THAT SIDEWALK THAT'S FULL OF DIRT, FULL OF DUST, RIGHT.
UM, HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE WORKING WITH THE CITY OR PUTTING IT IN YOUR PLAN TO MAKE GETTING TO THE SCHOOL EASIER? ESPECIALLY WITH SO MANY, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS COMING BACK, I GUESS, INTO THESE EMPTY LOTS? YOU KNOW, HOUSES WEREN'T THERE ANYMORE.
THERE'S A LOT OF POPULATION THAT WILL BE WALKING TO THE SCHOOL NOW THAT IT'S THERE.
UM, JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, UM, AROUND OUR SITE.
UM, AND THAT CAME UP IN THIS MORNING'S DISCUSSION.
WE WILL IMPROVE ALL THE SIDEWALKS AROUND OUR SITE.
UM, THERE ARE, THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS IN THE AREA, UM, THE FOREST WITH THE THEATER IS DOING, THEY'RE DOING THERE.
I'VE HEARD THEY'RE GOING TO BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE STUFF UNDERNEATH THE, THE FREEWAY AND THAT SORT OF STUFF, TECH DOT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE RESTRICTED IN THAT.
AND ALSO THE DISTRICT HAS RESTRICTED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO OFFSITE WITH BOND FUNDS.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON OUR SITE AND STUFF AND WE DO HAVE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON, ON BARRIER FREE RAMPS AND THINGS ADJOINING OUR SITES, BUT WE'RE RESTRICTED REALLY IN WHAT WE CAN DO OFFSITE IN THAT SENSE.
AND THAT, THAT WAS REALLY FOR THE PRINCIPAL TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S INVOLVED OH YEAH.
IN THOSE TEXT DOT CONVERSATIONS AND OTHER CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE CITY.
AND AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE AND AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE, HAVE THOSE WITH, WITH DAVID.
AND, AND, AND ALSO WE'RE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE OTHER GROUPS THAT ARE DOING WORK IN THE AREA TOO.
PHILLIPS JUST ADDED ANOTHER ADDITION TO THEIR SCHOOL.
SO, UH, WE DEALT WITH A WEEK AGO.
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CO COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, FOR MR. CROWLEY.YOU HEARD THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING AND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, IF WE WANNA LIMIT THE NUMBER OF STORIES, WE SHOULD DO IT IN THE CONDITIONS.
UM, YOU'VE GOT TWO FINGERS UP.
UH, WOULD YOU BE AGREEABLE TO MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STORIES? IS TWO AREAS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AS ONE STORY ARE LIMITED TO ONE STORY? CAN WE, ON THE SITE PLAN, CAN WE LIMIT THE AREAS TO SAY TWO STORIES TO TWO STORIES AND THE THINGS THAT SAY ONE STORY TO ONE STORY, NO TWO STORIES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAND, THEN I'M NO THANK YOU.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE QUESTION, PLEASE? THE, THE ONE STORY ADDITION, LET EVERYONE UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S A STANDARD STORY HEIGHT IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ABOUT A 30 FOOT HIGH STORY.
UH, TRANSPARENCY, BLACK BOX THEATERS AND ALL THAT STUFF GET PRETTY TALL.
IT'S NOT YOUR NORMAL, ALTHOUGH THERE'S NOT A NORMAL HEIGHT FOR, WHAT IS IT, 16 FEET? 16, 16 FEET, WHICH IS A PRETTY TALL STORY FOR A SCHOOL, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE A VERY TALL ONE STORY JUST, WELL, IF MEMORY SERVES THE DEFINITION OF A STORY IS THE SPACE BETWEEN OCCUPIED FLOORS.
I I I DON'T, I'M NOT AWARE OF A, OF, OF A, OF A STORY HEIGHT IN, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BUILDING CODES THOUGH.
I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU IF I FIND SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I THINK THE COMMUNITY, THERE WAS COMMUNITY MEETINGS SURROUNDING THIS AND THEY KINDA, UH, WITH THIS, UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THEY ARE WIDENING SIDEWALKS? I MEAN, JUST BASICS OFF OF COMING FROM WHAT IS COMPLETED ON SSW RIGHT FROM EL FAYE.
THE SIDEWALKS ARE WAY BIGGER THAT THERE IS MORE SIDEWALKS THAT JUST BASED OFF OF LOOKING AT WHAT IS ALREADY BEEN DONE ALONG SSW.
THAT IT, THAT IT WOULD LOOK TO APPEAR THAT IT WILL BE FEEDING ALL THE WAY UP INTO PENNSYLVANIA.
WELL, ALL THE WAY TO MARTIN LUTHER KING SAYS THERE'S NO LONGER UNDER PATH
THERE'S, THERE ARE, ARE IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY MADE AND IN THE FUTURE, HOW'S THAT SOUND? YES.
AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT SIX, SIX FEET MAYBE CLOSE FIVE TO SIX FEET.
WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS.
AND THAT'S THE SAME, THEY LOOKS LIKE WHAT'S WHAT WE CONTINUE WITH THE WHAT LOOK LIKE TEXT STOCKS HAS ALREADY DID MM-HMM.
AND YOU ALL HAVE BEEN A PART OF THOSE CONVERSATION THAT TEXTILE HAS BEEN HAVING THAT SAME PHILLIPS CONCERNING 45.
AM I CORRECT? I I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE HAD ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
I I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN IT.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG STORY MEANS THAT PORTION OF A BUILDING BETWEEN ANY TWO SUCCESSIVE FLOORS OR BETWEEN THE TOP FLOOR AND THE CEILING ABOVE IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, UH, BEING UNFAMILIAR WITH THE REVISIONS TO THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODES REQUIRING, UM, ELECTRICAL VEHICLE PARKING AND CHARGING, IS THIS REQUIREMENT IN THE S U P CONDITIONS MORE OR LESS RIGOROUS THAN WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED BY DEFAULT IN THE REVISION TO THE ELECTRICAL CODE? ASSUMING THAT THAT APPLIES TO SCHOOLS? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
MR. CHAIR, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MS. UREA.
WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO REFERENCE THIS STANDARD OR, UM, BUILDING CODE AMENDMENTS AS MAY BE ADOPTED, WHICHEVER IS MORE STRINGENT.
I WOULD, I WOULD GO TO THE CONDITION IS WRITTEN IF YOU'RE COM COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
CONSIDERING HOW, JUST A QUESTION LIKE, IT'S VERY SOON WHEN THEY ADOPTED THOSE NEW AND I DIDN'T.
COULD I QUESTION OF THE PLEASE? YES.
MR. CROWLEY, I KNEW IF I SAT DOWN, OF COURSE.
HAVE THE SCHOOLS BEEN ADDING ELECTRICAL CHARGING STATIONS? ARE THEY PRESENTING ANY PARTICULAR CHALLENGES OR SECURITY ISSUES OR, OR, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GONNA LET KATIE OR BRENT, DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT? I'M GONNA LET ONE OF THE, THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF PERMITTING THOSE AND THINGS HAVE COME UP.
UH, BRENDA ALFRED, UH, CHIEF CONSTRUCTION OFFICER WITH DALLAS D 9,400 EXPRESSWAY.
UM, WE HAVEN'T BUILT ANY YET, UH, OUTSIDE OF
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OUR, OUR, UH, CENTRAL, UH, STAFF.UH, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO WE'RE ATTRACTING AS SCHOOL SHOOTINGS BECOME MORE IMPORTANT.
WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING THE FENCES YOU'RE SEEING AROUND OUR CAMPUSES, SO, UH, WE HAVEN'T IMPLEMENTED IT JUST YET.
FOLLOW UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S QUESTIONS THAT MR. CROWLEY QUESTION, UM, ALONG THE SAME LINES OF THE CONVERSATION YOU AND I HAD ABOUT 20 MINUTES AGO, UH, THESE, THESE CHARGING STATIONS ARE NOT FOR THE PUBLIC.
OUR, OUR PARKING LOTS, FOR THE MOST PART ARE GATED AT, AT, DURING, AFTER HOURS.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THEM PROBABLY, PROBABLY ARE EVEN GATED WHEN THE TEACHERS ARE IN THERE.
SO I'D HAVE TO SAY IT'S VERY LIMITED TO PUBLIC IF THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? SO, NO, THEY'RE NOT, I IT'S NOT LIKE A, A TOM THUMB WHERE YOU COULD DRIVE UP AND PLUG IN OR RIGHT.
OR CITY HALL OUT HERE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, IT, SOMETIMES IT TAKES 10 MIN 10 MINUTES TO CHARGE A CAR.
SOMETIMES 40 MINUTES, SOMETIMES MORE.
UH, AND I COULD TELL YOU IN MY CASE, I ALWAYS STEP OUT OF MY CAR AND I'M WALKING AROUND AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT THAT IN THE SCHOOL.
I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE IF WE, IF WE LEFT IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
BUT THE IDEA IS, AGAIN, AFTER HOURS, THE, THE GATES ARE CLOSED ON THE PARKING LOTS AND THAT'S WHY WE GATE
UM, SO THAT, THAT HAS COME UP IN DISCUSSIONS ALONG WITH, WITH OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP ABOUT QUESTION FOR SCHOOL SECURITY.
WE JUST DON'T LIKE PEOPLE HANGING AROUND SCHOOLS.
A FOLLOW UP THAT SINCE YOU'VE OPENED UP THAT CAN OF WORM, UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BARREL BEEN A LOT OF BARREL WORMS, NOT A CAN THAT'S A BARREL
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK IN ACTION AROUND COMMUNITY SCHOOLS, RIGHT.
SCHOOLS THAT ARE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, OUTSIDE OF COMMUNITY HOURS, LIKE PARK SPACE, GREEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE.
HAVE WE CONSIDERED THAT IN THE RECENT PLANNING OF THE SCHOOLS THAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTING? WELL, MOST OF THE SCHOOLS, THE, THE PLAYGROUNDS ARE OPEN.
UH, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS VERY LIMITED SPACE, UH, PLAYGROUND WISE, BUT TRUE.
BUT THAT IT'S JUST THE PARKING LOTS LEND THEMSELVES TO PEOPLE PARKING IN THERE.
SO FENCING IS REALLY AROUND THE PARKING AND THE SCHOOL FOR, SO, AND, AND SOME OF THOSE, THEY COULD HAVE GATES THAT THEY DON'T, THAT THEY MAY CLOSE, BUT GOTCHA.
BUT THE IDEA IS WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S AN OPEN SPACE.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER IT OR IF NOT BOTH OF YOU OR ALL THREE OF YOU.
UM, WHEN IT COMES DOWN AND, AND THANK YOU, UM, MR. ALFRED FOR TALKING ABOUT SAFETY AND CHARGING STATIONS.
UM, IN THE DESIGN, SOMETIMES WE SEE THAT, THAT THE PARKING, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THESE CHARGING STATIONS ARE NEAR THE PARKING AND AM I NOT CORRECT? THEY'LL BE ON THE SITE.
THEY HAVE TO BE ON THE SITE, YES.
SO NO, ARE THE CHARGING STATION WHAT I'M ASKING, ARE THE CHARGING STATION NEAR ALWAYS NEAR THE PARKING? YES.
SO THE QUESTION IS, IF, IF THE CHARGING STATIONS ARE LIMITED TO JUST I E MAYBE TEACHER USE FOR CARS, WOULD THAT BE A, AN APPROPRIATE WAY TO LIMIT THE WHO IS IN AND OUT OF YOUR SCHOOL TEACHER CAN COME IN, CHARGE UP THE SCHOOL, THERE'S CARS WHILE THEY'RE WORKING? AM I NOT CORRECT, OR I GUESS IT'S NOT FOR YOU MR. CROWLEY, BUT FOR THE TWO OF THEM, I'LL LET THE PRINCIPAL SPEAK ON THIS AS WELL.
I MEAN, EACH NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIFFERENT.
SO IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FIT ALL HOW WE'RE SEEING IT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DETER PEOPLE FROM COMING ON CAMPUS.
IT WOULD BE GREAT IF IT WAS JUST FOR OUR TEACHERS, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINDING, WE ARE ATTRACTING OTHER, UM, PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE FENCE.
THAT THAT'S WHY THESE FENCE AND GATES ARE REALLY COMING IN.
WE'RE REALLY PUSHING THAT STRONG.
IF YOU DRIVE AROUND DALLAS, LIKE I THINK SOMEBODY MENTIONED, THEY'RE SEEING 'EM GOING UP AROUND HS THOMPSON IN OTHER AREAS.
UH, AND THAT'S JUST A BIG INITIATIVE IN THIS BOND PROGRAM THAT I I GET IT.
BUT IF A PARENT WAS ON SITE COMING INTO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO USE IT BECAUSE, WELL, YEAH, I, I THINK SO.
IT WOULD BE THOSE WHO ARE VISITING THE CAMPUS WOULD PARTICULARLY USE IT IF THEY HAVE IT HAVE, UH, THAT, AND IT'S MOSTLY FOR THE FUTURE, RIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S AS MANY EV IN SAN DALLAS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S DURING SCHOOL HOURS THE GATES ARE OPEN.
SO MOST OF THE PEOPLE YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT PARKING, BUT THERE MAY ALREADY BE SOMEONE CHARGING THERE.
BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S THAT AFTER HOURS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE LAST TEACHER LEAVES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE CLOSE THE GATES AND YES.
BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT WOULD BE IF SOMEONE WOULD
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COME TO THE SCHOOL, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE SOMEONE THAT IS VISITING AT THE SCHOOL THAT WOULD USE THE EV NOT NECESSARILY JUST PEOPLE COMING ON CAMPUS SAYING, OH, THERE'S AN EV STATION.AND, UH, OUR LEGAL IS TELLING US ALSO, WE WILL BE PUTTING, UH, I GUESS A CREDIT CARD SWIPER BECAUSE IT'S LOOKED AT AS A, UH, GIFTED PUBLIC FUNDS.
SO YOU WOULD BE CHARGED FOR IT.
I THINK SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU HAVE OUT HERE, UH, IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND YOU, YOU PRETTY, Y'ALL PRETTY MUCH HAVE GREAT SERVICE MEASURES I SUBMITTED TO THE CAMPUS BEFORE.
YOU HAVE TO BULLS IN AND THE KID, YOU HAVE TO SHOW ID THE WHOLE DEAL TO GET INTO THE CAMPUS.
AM I CORRECT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MARTIAN? I DO HAVE A MOTION.
UM, UM, I MOVED TO CLOSE THIS HEARING, UH, THIS HEARING, UH, AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLANS AND THE REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
AND CONDITIONS? UM, THE CONDITIONS AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, FOR YOUR SECOND.
UM, I, THIS, THIS, EVEN THOUGH THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE I S D COULD HAVE CHOSEN A BIGGER CAMPUS, UH, BUT AT THIS SCHOOL IS A WELL PERFORMING SCHOOL IS ONE OF OUR FEW SCHOOLS, UM, THAT HAS BEEN OPENED WELL BEFORE I WAS BORN
AND SO, UH, TO SEE THAT THEY ARE UPDATE THIS, THE PARENTS, THE TEACHERS LOVE THIS CAMPUS AND TO SEE IT GROWING.
BUT I'M GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO QUICKLY RECTIFY THE SITUATION WITH THE TMP.
UM, I KNOW WHAT THE PRINCIPAL WANTED, BUT IT IS THE SAFETY.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS AND IS, IS, WAS, UH, TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION.
BUT I DO, UM, SUPPORT THIS WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
QUICK CLARIFICATION, WOULD THAT BE A REVISED, UH, LANCE COMPLAINT, TMP AND SITE PLAN AS BRIEFED? YES.
MAY I OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ADD A CONDITION STATING STORIES? MAXIMUM NUMBER OF STORIES IS TWO AREAS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AS ONE STORY ARE LIMITED TO ONE STORY IS, IS THEY HAVE TWO STORIES ON THERE ALSO.
SO THERE'S A COMBINATION OF ONE STORY AND TWO STORY, RIGHT? THAT SO MAX, SO IT WOULD BE LIMITED TO TWO EXCEPT THAT AREAS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AS ONE STORY WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE.
I'M GONNA SAY THAT I'M GONNA LIMIT IT THE WHOLE SITE TO TWO STORIES.
UM, I'LL, I'LL AMEND MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ACCORDINGLY.
UH, AND SO I WOULD WOULD OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT LIMITING THE, UH, ADDING A CONDITION, LIMITING THE NUMBER OF STORIES TO TWO.
I AGREE, EXCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
UH, FURTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, IT'S SOAPBOX.
UM, PRINCIPAL SNEED, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON THAT CAMPUS.
THAT AREA IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.
UM, AS YOU, YOU GUYS KNOW, PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE ALWAYS PUT AGAINST CHARTER SCHOOLS.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY THAT YOU GUYS ARE THERE AND STANDING UP TO THE COMPETITION, UM, VERY STRONGLY, UH, BRINGING ARTS TO THAT SOUTHERN SECTOR OF THE SOUTHERN DALLAS AREA IS SO IMPORTANT TO WHAT'S NEEDED.
AND, UM, I, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, THE MATTER OF Z 2 1 2300, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A REVISES LI REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGER PLAN, AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED, AS WELL AS THE, UH, LANGUAGE IN REGARDS TO THE MAX TWO STORIES.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT IS 2:42 PM LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.
MR. PEPPI, YOU'RE UP NEXT, SIR.
COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
IT IS 2:57 PM AND I BELIEVE WE ARE RECORDING.
MR. PEPPI, YOU'RE UP NEXT, SIR.
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OKAY, GOOD.THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 8 82 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT TWO A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
AND THREE, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 82 WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OKLAN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
IT'S ABOUT 1.3 ACRES AND IT'S O LO LOCATED IN TURTLE CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE AREA OF REQUEST.
WE CAN GET A LITTLE CLOSER OR MAYBE I'LL DO A LITTLE BOTH.
UM, HERE'S THE, HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP OF THE SIGN.
YOU CAN SEE TURTLE CREEK PARK, UH, RUNS ALONG THE SOUTH AREA, RIVERTON PARK TO THE WEST.
UM, BUT THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
UM, SO THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
UM, UNDERDEVELOPMENT IS MULTIFAMILY.
THERE'S PARKLAND TO THE SOUTHEAST, UNDEVELOPED LAND TO THE SOUTHWEST AND AN EXISTING MULTI-FAMILY TO THE NORTHWEST.
SO THE AREA OF RE THE AREA OF REQUEST IS CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, PDS 82 WITHIN PD 1 93.
AND THAT WAS, AND THE PDS WAS APPROVED IN 2008.
UH, CURRENTLY DEFAULTS TO THE OH TWO OFFICE SUB-DISTRICT USES AND STANDARDS.
AND IT CURRENTLY INCLUDES THAT PROVISION FOR SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AS THE PDS CALLS IT.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO AMEND THE EXISTING REGULATIONS OF PDS 82 AND REPLACE THAT SPECIAL PROJECT FRAMEWORK WITH A NEWLY DEFINED ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE AND TYING CHANGES IN THE PD TO THAT, UM, ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE PDS CONDITIONS.
TIE THOSE, UM, CHANGES INCLUDING VARIATION IN YARN LOT AND SPACE REGULATIONS AND ADDITIONAL URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS TO THE, UH, SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT OF ASSISTED LIVING.
IN ADDITION TO THIS ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, USE THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING THE ABILITY TO SELL ALCOHOL AS AN AMENITY IN THE, UH, IN THAT FACILITY.
AND THIS IS IS SO AS A RESULT, IT'S NECESSARY TO CHANGE FROM THE DE EXISTING D DRY OVERLAY, UH, TO A D ONE DRY OVERLAY, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SUBJECT TO A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
AND AT THIS TIME THEY ADDITIONALLY REQUEST APPROVAL OF AN S U FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
THE APPLICANT ALSO PROPOSES MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT CENTERS PRIMARILY RELATED TO FLOOR AREA HYA LOT COVERAGE, PARKING AND LANDSCAPING.
THE PEDESTRIAN REALM WILL BE ENHANCED BY DESIGN STANDARDS THAT LIMIT BLANK WALL LENGTH, INCREASE TRANSPARENCY AND SURE CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE AND REQUIRE BELOW GRADE PARKING.
AND JUST TO BREAK, WE GOTTA BREAK DOWN THE REQUEST INTO A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT, UM, IT IS CURRENTLY THAT D DRY OVERLAY AND THEY HAVE TO DOWNGRADE TO A D ONE.
THEY REQUESTED AN U UH, AS WELL AS A THIRD PARTY.
THE APPLICATION, UH, WITH A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD AND I'LL HOP DOWN INTO THE SITE.
SO THERE'S A SITE ACROSS TURTLE CREEK, I THINK I'M ON THE, ON A TRAIL THAT'S SAID IN TURTLE CREEK PARK.
UM, SO I WAS LOOKING ACROSS TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD THERE AND THEN THIS IS SORT OF IN THE INTER IN THE INTERSECTION, TURTLE CREEK AND FAIRMOUNT.
UH, THERE'S SOME EXISTING TREES THAT ARE PRESERVED TO, EXCUSE ME, UM, PROPOSED TO BE PRESERVED PER THE CONDITIONS IN LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO THEN I'M BACK ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SITE.
THIS IS ENID STREET LOOKING SOUTH, SO A LITTLE BIT DOWNHILL, UM, TOWARDS THE CREEK AS IN THE BACKGROUND.
UM, BUT THIS IS GENERALLY THE CONTOUR OF THE SITE AND THOSE, UH, TREES THAT THEY WERE REQUESTING TO PRESERVE ARE ON THE RIGHT OF THIS FRAME.
AND THEN I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT FARTHER INTO THE SITE, UM, CLOSER TO ENON STREET.
THERE'S MULTI-FAMILY, UH, THAT'S BEING REDEVELOPED ON MY LEFT AND YOU CAN STILL SEE THOSE TREES TO BE PRESERVED, BUT, UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE TALLER HIGH RISES THAT ARE LOCATED TO THE SOUTH.
WE'RE LOOKING UP ENID STREET TO THE NORTHEAST, UH, EXISTING MULTI-FAMILIES ACROSS ENID TO THE NORTHWEST.
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MULTI-FAMILY ON MY, ON MY RIGHT HERE.AND THEN BACK AT ENID AND FAIRMOUNT STREET, THERE'S A OFFICE, EXCUSE ME, THERE'S AN OFFICE, UH, TOWER, UH, LOOKING NORTH THERE, ASSOCIATED PARKING.
BUT THEN SOUTH OF THAT, THERE'S UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
AND THEN I'M ON FAIRMOUNT LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE UNDEVELOPED SPACE, UH, EXISTING SIDEWALK AND TREES.
AND THEN WE'VE, I THINK, SPUN AROUND TO LOOK SOUTH DOWN FAIRMOUNT STREET WHERE IT CROSSES TURTLE CREEK, THE CREEK, NOT THE ROAD.
UM, AND WE CAN SEE A HIGH RISE, UH, RESIDENTIAL ACROSS THE TRAIL AND SOME OF THOSE EXISTING TREES TO BE PRESERVED TO OUR LEFT.
THEN THIS IS DOWN IN MORE IN TURTLE CREEK PARK.
THERE'S A KIND OF A TRAIL, UH, WAY HERE, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO MODIFY, UM, WHAT I'LL START WITH IS THE EXISTING PDS, WHICH REVERTED TO THE O TWO BASE.
UM, BUT THEN FOR THE SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, IT MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS.
UM, I BELIEVE IN, AND, AND I, I PUT THIS IN BECAUSE IN THE REPORT TABLE, I BELIEVE I MIGHT HAVE FAILED TO MENTION THE EXISTING SPECIAL PROJECT HEIGHT AS 2 85.
UM, PLUS, UM, SOME ALLOWANCE FOR, UH, ENCROACHMENTS OF MECHANICAL AND OTHER FEATURES.
UM, SO I DID WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD.
UM, OTHERWISE THEY'RE DECREASING THEIR LOCK COVERAGE TO A DEGREE, AND THEN THEY'RE DECREASING THEIR UPPER FLOOR LOCK COVERAGE.
SO THE RESULT WOULD BE SOMETHING ABOUT MORE NARROW STRUCTURE.
UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU PARCEL OUT THE MATH FOR THE FLOOR AREA, UH, PREVIOUSLY THEY, THEY PUT IT TO A FLOOR AREA TOTAL, UM, BUT EASILY CONVERTIBLE TO F A R, UH, 5.5.
UM, NOW ON THIS SIDE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR A 6.4 F A R WITH, WHICH IS AN EFFECTIVE AREA, TH 384,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN THEY'RE ADDING IN THAT NEW USE OF ASSISTED LIVING.
AND TURTLE CREEK ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDOR IS, UM, CONFORMED WITH AND NOT MODIFIED SILVER MAINTENANCE IN PLACE WITH THIS REQUEST.
SO AS FOR PRO, UH, PROPOSED DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, ALL REQUIRED PARKING, UH, IS REQUIRED TO BE UNDERGROUND, 10 FOOT SIDEWALKS ON TURTLE CREEK, UH, SAFER DRIVEWAY CROSSINGS, BENCHES, TRASHCANS, AND BICYCLE RACKS REQUIRED ON THE FAIRMOUNT AND CREEK FRONTAGE.
UH, CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE IS TO BE LOCATED ON THE TURTLE CREEK AND FAIRMOUNT FRONTAGE.
UH, THE SAME APPLIES THE SAME TWO FRONTAGES MUST ALSO HAVE A GRAND FLOOR TRANSPARENCY MINIMUM, AND THERE'S A MAXIMUM BLANK WALL.
UM, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE 30 FEET, NOT 30%.
AND TREE PRESERVATION, UH, THEY HAVE TO, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PRESERVE THE LIVE OAK TREES ALONG FAIRMOUNT STREET THAT ARE LARGE AND ESTABLISHED.
AND HERE'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE WITHIN THE PD, UM, FOR A ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, INCLUDING, UM, MEMORY CARE AND, UM, DAILY CARE OF, UM, DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT ASSISTED LIVING FUNCTIONS.
AND THEY ALSO, THEY ALSO DO STATE THAT THE DWELLING UNITS CAN HAVE KITCHENS IF THEY SO CHOOSE.
SO WHEN WE GET INTO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S ALSO SORT OF A HIGH RISE, UM, PLAN.
UM, BUT GENERALLY THE OVERALL ORIENTATION OF THE BUILDING REMAINS SIMILAR.
AND THEN THAT IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND WE CAN KIND OF SEE THE ACCESS.
THERE'S AN ACCESS ON TURTLE CREEK.
THE ACCESS ON ENID IS ONLY A SERVICE ENTRANCE, UM, WHERE THEY HAVE, UH, A LOADING AREA SCREENING ALONG THE NORTHWEST BOUNDARY.
HOPEFULLY A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT.
UM, DEVELOPMENT PLAN, EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLANNING CONDITIONS, THEY CALLED FOR PRESERVATION OF THE TREES ALONG FAIRMOUNT AS WELL.
UM, AND SO THOSE WERE DEPICTED ON HERE IN ADDITION TO SOME OTHER SITE TREES.
AND NOW THAT PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, STILL SHOWS THE TREES, UH, TO BE PRESERVED ALONG.
FAIRMOUNT SHOWS A NUMBER OF OTHER, UH, TREES TO BE LOCATED ALONG THE SITE, ALONG THE STREETS.
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UM, SERVE AS GREEN SPACE AND, UM, EXCUSE ME, BUFFERING, WELL, THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE MORE DETAILED, BUT IT, IT WON'T, UM, IF ANYONE NEEDS TO CIRCLE BACK, WE CERTAINLY CAN.SO THEN BACK TO THE U UM, THEIR CONDITIONS ARE COMPLIANCE OF THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THEY'VE REQUESTED A, A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD FOR THE SEP FOR THE ALCOHOL SALES.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, PERIOD OF FIVE YEARS, AT WHICH POINT IT COULD BE RENEWED AND OPERATION, UM, FOR IT TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF THE BUILDING, NOT A PUBLIC FACING.
AND THE OTHER STANDARD CONDITIONS SITE PLANT IS DEPICTED AS SUCH.
SO, UH, INTENDED TO BE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AREA OF THE, OF THE FACILITY.
AND WE DID RECEIVE SOME CHANGES AND SUGGESTIONS AFTER THE DOCKET WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND OTHERS.
UM, THEY ADJUSTED THE SPECIAL PROJECT OR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY USE TO GO BACK DOWN TO 4.0 TO MANAGE THE BASE.
SO, UH, WHEN THEY GET, WHEN THEY ARE DEVELOPING OVER FOUR PER, OH, THEY'RE IN THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, SOCIAL PROJECT, UH, THRESHOLD, UM, CLARIFYING THAT THE LOADING SPACE PREVIOUSLY CALLED FOR IS LARGE, UM, PROVIDED THAT THE SERVICE AND LOADING DRIVEWAYS, UM, ARE LIMITED IN NUMBER AND WIDTH.
THOSE ARE ALONG ENID, CLARIFY THAT THERE'S, IT SHOULD BE FIVE, UH, BI BICYCLE PARKING SPACES ON THE FRONTAGES, UM, THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE URBAN DESIGN STANDARD SECTION.
UM, THEY ADJUSTED THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY BE 0.7 SPACES PER UNIT RATHER THAN THE 0.3 PER BED.
SO IT'S A BIT OF A, UM, DIFFERENT CALCULATION HOW IT'S, UM, TABULATED UNIT VERSUS BED.
UM, 0.7 IS IN KEEPING WITH THE RETIREMENT HOUSING USE IN, UH, PD 1 93 JUST TO, TO, TO COMPARE.
AND THEY ADDED CLARIFYING LANGUAGE THAT THE FIVE FOOT PARKWAY STRIP ON EDEN AND FAIRMOUNT IS ONLY REQUIRED WHERE THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE.
UH, THAT'S WHAT IT ACTUALLY USED TO SAY,
CLARIFYING, NO, I ALREADY HAD THAT ONE.
AND WE REMOVED A STAFF RECOMMENDATION BOX REGARDING CODIFYING SOME LANDSCAPING CONDITIONS.
UM, SO NOW THEY'RE CODIFYING, UM, A MINIMUM 30 LARGE TREES AND FIVE SMALL TREES.
UM, SO STAFF SUPPORTS THAT CHANGE AND THERE WASN'T ANY ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, BOXES IN THE, UH, CONDITIONS FOR THE PDS CONDITIONS.
ADD THE REQUIREMENT, THE CONDENSATE FROM MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND STORMWATER BE RECAPTURED AND REUSED.
ADD THE REQUIREMENT THAT NATIVE PLANT SPECIES WITH REDUCED WATER CONSUMPTION CHARACTERISTICS AND INTENDED TO ATTRACT AND CREATE HABITAT FOR POLLINATING INSECTS SHALL BE USED AND MAINTAINED.
UH, ADD REQUIREMENT THAT ANY BUILDING FACADE LIGHTING SOURCES MUST BE ORIENTED DOWN INTO THE PROPERTY.
THEY LIGHT AND GENERALLY AWAY FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND ADD PROHIBITION ON ILLUMINATION OF ATTACHED SIGNS AT A HEIGHT GREATER THAN 60 FEET.
SO SORRY FOR ANY CHANGES NOT MAKING INTO THE DOCKET, BUT, UM, WE DO SUPPORT THE CHANGES THAT WERE INCORPORATED AFTER THE DOCKET.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH THEM IN DETAIL SO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, IN COMPARISON TO WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY READ IN THE DOCKET WITHOUT SAID, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR AN AMENDMENT OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT NUMBER 82, WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, UM, THE OKON SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REV REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND REVISED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED APPROVAL OF A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A PLAN, SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, MR. PEPPI, IS THE ASSISTED LIVING USE SUBJECT TO THE FEES IN LIEU FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR PARKLAND? UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE, SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FEE IN LIEU, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE MIXED INCOME DEVELOPMENT BONUS? ASSISTED LIVING IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT.
UH, MULTI-FAMILY AND RETIREMENT HOUSING ARE.
UM, AND THEN AS FOR THE PARKLAND DEDICATION ONLY, UM, CUZ DOESN'T THAT APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL AND LAUNDRY? MULTI-FAMILY AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND SO DOES, DOES IT APPLY TO RETIREMENT HOUSING? I WOULD NOT READ THIS AS AS APPLYING.
UM, BECAUSE ASSIST, THIS IS ASSISTED LIVING CLOSER TO THE, UM,
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EXCUSE ME, YOU KNOW, CONVALESCENT IN NURSING HOME CARE USE IS COMMERCIAL USE, UH, TO FOLLOW UP.THE DIVIDING LINE SEEMS TO BE BLURRY, UM, FOR ME BETWEEN THE LUXURY RESIDENTIAL HOTEL, RETIREMENT LIVING AND ASSISTED LIVING.
I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE DEFINITION OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY COULD MORE OR LESS FIT A, YOU KNOW, A A LUXURY RESIDENTIAL HOTEL.
UM, COULD YOU HELP ME OUT HERE WITH, I MEAN, I REALIZE IT SAYS IT MAY INCLUDE MEMORY CARE, BUT THAT COULD BE MAY NOT ALSO, SO WHERE'S THE, WHERE'S THE DIVIDING LINE? YEAH, AB ABSOLUTELY.
UM, SO I HAD, I HAD RETIREMENT HOUSING DEFINITION LOOKED UP.
UM, BUT IT'S A DEFINITION OF RETIREMENT HOUSING IS BASICALLY JUST, UM, HOUSING THAT'S INTENDED FOR PERSONS WHO ARE OVER 55 YEARS IN AGE.
UM, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT, UM, DAILY CARE OR ASSISTANCE.
UM, IN, IN THE DEFINITION FURNISHED BY THE PD.
IT DOES INCLUDE, UH, THOSE FUNCTIONS MORE SIMILAR TO A NURSING HOME.
UM, BUT IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE, UM, KITCHENS OR SUITES, UM, THEY MIGHT HAVE BE ABLE TO MEET A, A SPECTRUM OF CARE BETTER.
UM, BECAUSE THINK OF IT THIS WAY, POTENTIALLY, UM, ONE, ONE DAY YOU MIGHT REQUIRE MEMORY CARE.
ONE DAY YOU MIGHT REQUIRE ASSISTANCE WITH, WITH THINGS LIKE EATING OR, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS IN ONE DAY YOU MIGHT NOT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT A, A FLEXIBLE DEFINITION RATHER THAN, UH, RETIREMENT HOUSING, UM, MIGHT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE CARE AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF, OF AGING, UH, A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLY ALONG THAT SPECTRUM.
UH, COULD YOU ELABORATE AS TO WHY THE LEAD CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS WERE REMOVED FROM THE PD? YES.
SO SINCE THE PASSAGE OF, EXCUSE ME, SINCE THE APPROVAL OF THE PDS, UM, GREEN BUILDING CODE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED FOR THE CITY, AND THAT INCLUDES LEAD AS AN OPTION OR OTHER, UM, GREEN BUILDING CHARACTERISTICS.
SO ONE OF THEM BEING LEAD, ONE OF THEM NOT.
UM, IT IS, IT, UH, CHAPTER 61.
UM, SO IT WAS SEEN AS A REDUNDANCY IN TERMS OF THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTIONS, UM, UNDER THE BASIC, UM, YOU KNOW, CODIFIED GREEN BUILDING CODE THAT THIS PS PREDATED.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.
I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP WITH THE DEFINITION OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ONLY CUZ I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF RECENTLY VISITING ONE OF THESE WITH MY MOM.
SO IS THERE CURRENTLY A BUILDING PLANT AND IF SO, HOW MANY PEOPLE, LIKE IS IT DESIGNED TO HOLD? IS THERE CURRENTLY A BUILDING? WHAT PLANNED? OH, LIKE IS THERE THE PLAN? YEAH, WELL, I MEAN IT'S BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS.
UM, AND SO THE MAIN USE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE SPECIAL PROJECT, UM, ARE THE ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, ARE WE TALKING A HUNDRED PEOPLE, 200 PEOPLE? IT'S NOT LIMITED BY A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OR UNITS.
THE DENSITY IS LIMITED BY THE FLO AREA RATIO THAT'S ESTABLISHED BY THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS HERE.
AND CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT IN MORE DETAIL PLEASE? YES.
SO, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY, UM, POTENTIALLY SIMILAR TO THE, UH, TO THE BASE PD, EXCEPT THAT WAS A RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY PD.
THIS ONE, I MEAN, SO THERE ARE A COUPLE WAYS TO, TO LIMIT THAT DENSITY OR THE AMOUNT OF, UM, THE AMOUNT OF UNITS OF WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR, YOU KNOW, ASSISTED LIVING ARE CAPPED.
IT'S EITHER THROUGH A HARD CAP OF WRITTEN INTO A TEXT, UM, DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE.
UM, IN THIS CASE FLOOR AREA RATIO WOULD BE THE, THE THING THAT LIMITS DENSITY.
AND SO YOU CAN'T BUILD OVER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, FLOOR AREA, THAT FLOOR AREA BEING 6.4 F A R OR 384,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDING.
UM, THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT SAID, THAT MEANS THAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO, THEY, THEY, I MEAN THEY JUST HAVE THAT FLOOR SPACE AS THEIR DENSITY CAP, UM, NOT BASED ON UNITS.
SO THEY COULD HAVE SMALLER UNITS, UH, LARGER UNITS.
UM, THEY JUST CAN'T FILL A SQUARE FOOTAGE JUST LARGER THAN,
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UM, THE ONE LISTED HERE.AND WH IN THE DEFINITION OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REFERENCE TO FIVE OR MORE PERSONS.
DOES THAT, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN YOU CAN'T HAVE FIVE OR MORE PERSONS IN ONE UNIT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS AND SUITES THAT CAN HAVE KITCHENS? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S NOT RELATED TO AN INDIVIDUAL UNIT THAT'S RELATED TO THE ENTIRE FACILITY.
UM, TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM A, A SMALLER GROUP LIVING, UH, ESTABLISHMENT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ABOUT IT ON A PER UNIT BASIS.
IT'S ON THE, THE FACILITY AS A WHOLE, BUT THERE'S NOT AN OVERALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT THIS PROJECT IS INTENDED TO HOUSE THAT HASN'T BEEN FLUSHED OUT BY THE DEVELOPER.
THEY, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, THAT THE APPLICANT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S THE, UH, THE FACILITY'S NOT LIMITED ON A, ON A PER ON A PERSON OR A, UM, RESIDENT BASIS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
UM, BASED ON WHAT I HEARD ON, UH, ONE OF THE PREVIOUS CASES, AM I CORRECT THAT THE EV PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THIS PD WILL PREVAIL OVER ANY SUBSEQUENT EV PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND ARE SOON TO BECOME EFFECTIVE IN OUR BUILDING CODE? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO APPLICANTS WHO ARE COOPERATIVE IN PIONEERING OUR EV UH, PARKING ARE GONNA GET REWARDED IF THEY'RE LESS THAN OUR BUILDING CODE IS ABOUT TO REQUIRE.
THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES,
MR. PEPPI WOULD NOT THE, UH, DEFINITION, UH, RELATING TO FIVE OR MORE PERSONS WHO ARE NOT RELATED BY BLOOD MARRIAGE OR ADOPTION TO THE OWNER OR PROPRIETOR OF THE ESTABLISHMENT SERVED TO DIFFERENTIATE THIS FROM A SINGLE FAMILY USE, WHICH IS FOUR OR MORE PERSONS UNRELATED TO THE HEAD, UH, FOUR OR FEWER PERSONS UNRELATED TO THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD.
WOULD THE AMOUNT OF POP THE, UH, NOW AMOUNT OF, UH, RESIDENTS ALSO BE REGULATED OR PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING BE REGULATED BY B BI BY BI BY YOU'RE SAYING, WOULD THE LIMIT, WOULD THERE BE A LIMIT PLACED ON THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS BY, UH, BUILDING CODE? YEAH, BY THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLOWED IN A BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OR BY DWELLING? UM, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I'M NOT, ACTUALLY, NOT ACTUALLY SURE.
THAT IS THE BASED OFF THE OCCUPANCY LOAD.
SO BI BEING, UM, THEY WILL DETERMINE AT THAT POINT THE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS, I MEAN, OCCUPANCIES LOAD PER BUILDING, I'M, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, STATE REGULATIONS FOR, FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITIES.
AND SO THAT, SO IT WON'T BE OVERLOADED BASED OFF WITH THE, WITH THE ALREADY CODES AND, AND AND POLICIES THAT'S IN PLACE.
I MEAN WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST REGULATING, IT'S KIND OF THE ASK THE QUESTION KIND OF TO GIVE SOME LEADS WAY TO, WITH COMMISSIONER TREADWAY WAS ASKING THAT, THAT IT WOULD KIND OF BE UP TO THE BUILDING, THE OCCUPANCY LOAD.
UM, AND THEY DO GREAT OCCUPANCY LOAD PER SPACE.
BECAUSE FOR ROOMS OR WHATEVER I, THERE THERE IS A, THERE IS ALWAYS AN OCCUPANCY LIMIT FOR, UM, FOR SPACES IN BUILDING CODE IN HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE FOR, FOR, FROM THE STATE.
UM, BUT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THOSE CUZ THEY ARE OUT OF OUR PURVIEW.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU OUT WITH, WITH ASSISTED LIVING.
LIVING, ISN'T THAT, I THINK BELIEVE THAT TO BE EITHER CHAPTER 13 OR CHAPTER 27, CORRECT? I'M NOT SURE.
AND, AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIVE OR OR MORE, ARE WE NOT CONS IN ASSISTED LIVING HOUSING AS A LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG SAID THAT, WOULDN'T THAT NOT BE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE AND NOT A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S A DIFFERENCE THERE.
UM, AND WOULD THAT NOT BE REGULATED OUT OF THE STATE? SO THAT WOULD NOT, AND BI WOULD NOT BE THE ONE CONTROLLING
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STATE REGS RECS, CORRECT.THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, SUPERSEDE THOSE BY ANY MEANS.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD? YES, BECAUSE I'M NOT AS SMART AS EVERYONE ELSE.
I THINK THAT THE ISSUE THAT SOME OF US SAID THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, SAID ABOUT THIS IS IT, IT'S SORT OF STRANGE, ARE WE CREATING THAT 55 PLUS RETIREMENT THING THAT JUST HAPPENS TO HAVE ABOUT, LET'S SAY 16 UNITS FOR MEMORY CARE? OKAY.
OUT OF MUCH MORE, LET'S SAY ONE 20TH IS MEMORY CARE AND 80% ARE RETIREMENT PLUS 55 LIVING THERE.
SO ONE OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND NURSING HOMES, ASSISTED LIVINGS, A LOT OF THEM HAVE THESE STEP DOWNS.
I LIVE A BLOCK FROM THE EDGEMERE, YOU KNOW, SO I GET THAT.
BUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THIS TO ME IS WHAT PART OF THE 80% OF THIS, WHICH IS THE BULK OF IT THAT HAVE THEIR APARTMENTS, THEIR RESIDENCES, THEY HAVE LITTLE KITCHENS, EVEN THOUGH THEY EAT AT THE DINING ROOM, THEY CAN MAKE THEIR BREAKFASTS.
WHAT ASSISTANCE ARE THEY GETTING THAT MAKES THE WHOLE THING AN ASSISTED LIVING AS IF IT'S ALMOST LIKE A NURSING HOME? I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME DISTINCTION AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR CODE, WE CERTAINLY SHOULD.
BECAUSE IN MY THINKING, I KIND OF DO FEEL LIKE THE 80% SHOULD BE DOING A FEE IN LIEU, YOU KNOW, CUZ I DON'T SEE THAT AS REALLY TRUE ASSISTED LIVING.
IT'S NOT SORT OF LIKE SKILLED NURSING CARE.
I JUST WENT INTO A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN, MAYBE SOMEONE MAKES SURE YOU GET YOUR PILLS AT NIGHT, BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT I WOULD CALL SKILLED NURSING CARE THAT LIKE MEMORY CARE REQUIRES.
SO HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT? THIS WELL, ON ON ON ONE HAND I WOULD SAY, I MEAN DEFINITION CALLS FOR ASSISTANCE IN DAILY ACTIVITIES, UM, AND IT, IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY SPEAK TO A, A CERTAIN AGE.
UM, IT IS IS ABOUT, UM, ASSISTANCE FOR, UM, THOSE WHO NEED IT.
UM, IN THIS CASE, AND LET ME LEMME CIRCLE BACK THAT YOU TOUCHED ON A LOT.
UM, AND AGAIN, I I I DO FEEL STRONGLY THAT THAT THAT SPECTRUM OF CARE WHERE PEOPLE DO FILTER THROUGH, UM, DIFFERENT LEVELS OF NEED THROUGHOUT TIME, UM, IS HELPFUL.
UM, AND, AND THAT THEY CAN STILL HAVE THE, POTENTIALLY THE, THE INDEPENDENCE TO HAVE THE SUITES IF, IF, IF NECESSARY, UM, BUT STILL HAVE ASSISTANCE AS IT FILTERS THROUGH BECAUSE, UH, WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS ASSISTED LIVING IN OUR CODE, USUALLY MY UNDERSTANDING FALLS MORE UNDER CONVALESCENT, CONVALESCENT NURSING, UM, OR HOSPICE CARE, UM, WHICH IS A, A PREDEFINED USE.
UH, IT'S COMMERCIAL USE, NOT A, NOT A RESIDENTIAL.
I MEAN IT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT FOR ME, 80% OF THIS DOESN'T COME UNDER THAT DEFINITION AS CONVALESCENT NURSING CARE 20% DOES IN THE MEMORY CARE.
BUT I SEE PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING OLDER LEASING APARTMENTS THERE AND AS YOU AGE, I'M A PERSON THAT'S AGING, I'M 73 AS YOU AGE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU NEED MORE CARE.
BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, IT'S SORT OF MIXED UP A LITTLE BIT TO ME.
I MEAN, CUZ YOU'VE GOT BOTH VERY DISTINCT THINGS GOING ON AT THE TIME.
A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE INDEPENDENT LIVING IN BASICALLY APARTMENTS AND HAVE A VERY LOW LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT 20% THAT ARE TRULY IN THE MEMORY CARE.
AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE THAT BECOME, HAVE MORE DEFICITS COULD MOVE INTO THE MEMORY CARE.
BUT I SEE PART OF THIS IS OPERATING AS A SENIOR LIVING PLACE AND THE, IN A SMALL PORTION OPERATING AS TRUE ASSISTED LIVING UNDER THE DEFINITION YOU GAVE OF CONVALESCENCE IN NURSING CARE.
WELL, AT NO, NOTHING AB
THAT'S, THIS IS NOT HOW IT'S, IT'S WRITTEN.
SO, UM, WE WON'T KNOW AT THIS PHASE IF IT IS 80%, UH, OF
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ONE TYPE OF, UM, CARE OR 20.AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE NEEDS OF A PERSON ARE FLEXIBLE THROUGH THAT TIME IN THEIR LIFE.
BUT THERE IS, AND MR. MANN, THE REPRESENTATIVE DID SAY THAT THERE WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY A GROUP, I BELIEVE ON THE FIRST OR SECOND STORY, WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR MEMORY CARE WITH THAT SORT OF NURSING ASSISTANTS.
THAT'S CONSTANT, THAT THAT REQUIRES AND THAT THE OTHERS, HE POINTED THIS OUT AND WE CAN ASK HIM WHEN HE COMES, WOULD BE MORE INDEPENDENT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
AND WHY AND, AND, AND THE CONVALESCENT, THE, THE BASE CODE CONVALESCENT, UH, NURSING AND HOSPICE CARE AND RELATED INSTITUTIONS.
UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ONLY COVERS ME, UH, THINGS TO THE DEGREE OF MEMORY CARE.
IT ALSO IN INCLUDES, UM, NURSING CARE, LOWER DEGREES OF, OF CARE THAT ARE MAYBE NOT CONSTANT, BUT THEY ARE, UM, DAILY AND PRESENT AS THE DEFINITION SAYS.
SO THE, I I THINK, UH, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IS, IS, UM, CLOSER TO THAT, EH, CONVALESCENT NURSING, HOSPICE CARE USE COMMI COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, MR. MO, OR EXCUSE ME, MR. PENNEY, THIS MAY BE FOR YOU OR FOR, UM, MR. MOORE, THE QUESTION ON THE LEAD STANDARDS THAT WERE INCLUDED, UM, BECAUSE THIS IS AN EARLIER, UM, SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN THE PD IT REFERENCED THE 2004 LEAD STANDARD.
I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH REFERENCES THE 2015 INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE, IT'S BOTH A MORE CURRENT AND PERHAPS MORE ROBUST STANDARD.
AND THAT'S WHY STAFF IS, IS RECOMMENDING REMOVING THAT TO EFFECTIVELY BE CURRENT WITH OUR CURRENT CONSTRUCTION CODES.
IS THAT CORRECT? I, I BELIEVE SO.
DANIEL'S DONE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND THAN I, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO HEAR YOU.
I THINK I MADE OUT YOUR, YOUR QUESTION AND IF THIS ISN'T, IF MY, HOW ABOUT YOU ED, SAY IT AGAIN THEN? ME TRY AND GUESS WHAT YOU ASKED IS CURRENT CONSTRUCTION CODE FOR THE GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM A MORE ROBUST REQUIREMENT THAN THE 2004 LEAD STANDARD IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE? THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF CHAPTER 61.
AND WOULD THE INTENT OF INCLUDING A LEAD STANDARD BE TO HAVE A HIGHER STANDARD THAN BASE CODE WOULD TYPICALLY PROVIDE? YES.
SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UM, AND THIS IS ME ASKING, UM, CUZ I PULLED, CUZ RYAN IS SUCH A ADVOCATE FOR COMMUNAL HOUSING, UM, AND I PULLED HIM TO THE SIDE CAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COURSE AND ME BEING A STUDENT AND ME WORKING ONE OF OUR SUBJECTS THIS WEEK IS, UM, AGING IN PLACE.
UM, BUT WOULD THIS KIND OF ADDRESS THIS PROJECT KIND OF ADDRESS THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPE OF SENIOR, UM, LIVING IN THIS ONE FACILITY, UM, WOULD IT KIND OF ADDRESS THAT? CUZ YOU CAN SAY, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS A FORMER MENTAL HOUSING.
UM, RYAN WOULD ARGUE THAT IT IS A POSSIBILITY OF ADDRESSING SOME OF IT, RIGHT.
RYAN, WHAT'D YOU SAY?
UM, IT'S, IT'S AGING IN PLACE AND ADDRESSING THIS, THIS, THIS PROJECT KINDA ADDRESSES ALL FACETS OF OUR SENIOR FROM THOSE THAT'S SEMI INDE, SEMI-INDEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT.
BUT THEY NEED, WOULD THAT, WOULD YOU LEAVE THAT? I THINK THAT THERE'S ROOM FOR THAT IN THE DEFINITION AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE HOPE AND INTENT.
UM, YOU'VE, I MEAN YOU'VE GIVEN ME A, A BIT OF A SOAP BOX, BUT I I DO FEEL THAT, UM, THE, THE BEST WAY TO ADDRESS HOUSING NEEDS IS, IS FLEXIBILITY, IS SHIFTING DEFINITIONS FROM, UM, TIGHT CATEGORIES TO, UM, BROADER AND NEW IDEAS.
UM, WHETHER IT IS AGING IN PLACE IN A, IN A SMALL SINGLE UNIT OR, UM, IN A, IN A BIGGER FACILITY, I TOTALLY AGREE BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THOSE WHO CAN WANNA COOK IN THEIR APARTMENT AND, BUT THOSE WHO DON'T.
AND THEN ALSO IT HELPS CREATE, IT HELPS WHERE THE CITY DON'T HAVE TO CREATE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO CREATE SEPARATE, UM, FACILITIES THAT HELP THOSE, IT GIVES THIS ALL AROUND AFFECTING.
SO ASSISTING LIVING COULD BE JUST ASSISTING WITH DAY-TO-DAY
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LIFE AND BEING ABLE TO SEE, TO VISIT WITH OTHERS INSTEAD OF BEING IN A SEPARATE DWELLING.I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE THAT THAT IS, IS HOPEFULLY A RESULT OF, OF HOW IT IS IN, IN THIS, UH, PROPOSAL.
YEAH, THIS IS GONNA BE GOOD ON MY, ON MY
THIS IS A PART OF MY, UH,
YOU DO GET CREDIT FOR THIS WORK HERE,
I NEED TO REALLY IT HOWEVER
UH, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A SCENARIO AND THEN ASK DRILL DOWN ON THIS DEFINITION OF ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
AND LET ME START BY SAYING, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS CONTEMPLATING, BUT LET'S SUPPOSE JUST FOR A ROUND NUMBER THAT THERE ARE 200 UNITS AND 195 OF THEM ARE LUXURY CONDOMINIUMS THAT ARE SOLD TO WHOEVER WANTS TO BUY THEM WITHOUT REGARD TO AGE OR HEALTH.
AND THEY RECEIVE NO SERVICES EXCEPT THAT THERE'S A CENTRAL DINING ROOM AND THEY CAN EAT THERE AND CHARGE THEIR MEAL TO THEIR HOA ACCOUNT.
AND THEN THERE IS A PAVILION OR A WING THAT HAS FIVE UNITS THAT ARE ASSISTED LIVING UNITS AND THEY PROVIDE SOME OR ALL OF THESE LISTED SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS OF THOSE FIVE UNITS, DOES THAT MEET THIS DEFINITION? IF NOT, WHY NOT? I THINK IT, I THINK IT CALLS FOR FURNISHING SERVICES, FOOD, SHELTER, LAUNDRY AND OTHER ASSISTANCE.
UM, WHICH MAY INCLUDE MEMORY CARE ON A, ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND THAT ONE OF THE THINGS, I MEAN THEY'RE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'D BE REGISTERED WITH THE STATE AS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
WHERE DOES IT REQUIRE THAT, I'M SORRY? WHERE DOES IT REQUIRE THAT? IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT I, THAT THAT IS NOT, THAT'S NOT IN THE CODE.
UM, BUT FOOD, SHELTER, LAUNDRY AND DALEY ASSISTANCE ARE, ARE PART OF IT.
UM, BUT, BUT IT ONLY HAS TO BE PROVIDED TO FIVE OR MORE PERSONS WHO BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I, I I KNOW THAT'S MY FIVE UNIT WING OR PAVILION.
YEAH, I I I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IT'S ACCESS THROUGH A SINGLE SITE.
UM, AND THIS, I MEAN THIS IS OUR DEFINITION.
WE DIDN'T WRITE IT IN AS MULTI-FAMILY, MULTI YOU'RE CONDOMINIUM IS MULTI-FAMILY USE AND IT WOULD BE EVALUATED DIFFERENTLY.
WELL, BUT IT, BUT IT IS A PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE DEFINITION.
AND IT FURNISHES STUFF TO FIVE OR MORE PERSONS WHO ARE NOT RELATED MM-HMM.
IT FURNISHES THAT TO FIVE OR MORE PERSONS, BUT THE NOW THERE'S 195 PERSONS OR FAMILY UNITS WHERE IT DOESN'T, SO, BUT THE, THE CHANGE IN ZONING, THE, IT'S SOMETHING OF A SPECIAL PROJECT IS TIED TO, TO THIS USE, NOT, NOT MULTI-FAMILY USE.
YEAH, BUT, WELL I DON'T WANNA BELABOR IT, BUT THE, I THINK THE SCENARIO I GAVE YOU QUALIFIES UNDER THE DEFINITION OF AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY.
I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT THAT FALLS UNDER, UNDER CONDOMINIUM.
I MEAN, YOU DESCRIBED THEM AS CONDOMINIUM, SO IT MAY ALSO FALL UNDER THAT, BUT IT, WELL ANYWAY.
SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER TREAD, FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S POINT, DOES IT MATTER, LIKE ARE THEY GETTING ANY SORT OF BENEFITS BY CALLING IT ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY VERSUS MULTI-FAMILY? IS THIS A DISTINCTION WITHOUT A DIFFERENCE? AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SPECULATE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE TO REGISTER FOR UNDER STATE REASONS.
I'M JUST ASKING FOR PURPOSES OF WHAT THE C P C IS REQUIRED TO LOOK AT.
WELL ON, YOU KNOW, THEIR, SO THEY'RE, THEY USED TO HAVE A RES WHAT WAS CALLED A SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT.
UM, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY TIE THEIR VARIATIONS IN ZONING IN HEIGHT TOO.
UM, THEY'VE GENERALLY KEPT, UM, TO THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU SAID BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, IF
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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BENEFIT TO THE, THE APPLICANT, THE DEVELOPER, UM, THEY'RE SHIFTING THEIR DEFINITION FROM THE SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, WHICH THEY ARE HAVE ENTITLED TO TODAY TO ASSISTED LIVING, UM, AS A, UH, AS THE NEW, UM, TRIGGER FOR THE, THOSE SPECIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.DO, DO THEY HAVE TO, TO DO WHAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG JUST SAID, WHICH IS 195 CONDOS AND FIVE UNITS OF MEMORY CARE? WELL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE EN THEY'RE ENTITLED CURRENTLY TO, TO MULTI-FAMILY, UH, SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WITH A VERY SIMILAR FLOOR AREA AND A VERY SIMILAR HEIGHT.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW AND, AND THAT, SO I I I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS NEEDED BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO ASSISTED, THEY WANT TO ASSIST, THEY WANT TO HAVE A FACILITY WHERE ASSISTANCE IS GIVEN TO INDIVIDUALS, UM, SIMILAR TO A NURSING HOME RATHER THAN MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH THEY'RE CURRENTLY ENTITLED TO.
SO CAN YOU NOT DELIVER MEMORY CARE SERVICES IF THE ZONING WERE KEPT MULTI-FAMILY? IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
UM, USE THEN MULTI-FAMILY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE CURRENTLY ENTITLED TO MULTI-FAMILY.
SO THEY DO NEED A ZONING CHANGE, JUST TO BE REAL CLEAR.
IF THEY HAVE ANY SORT OF ASSISTED LIVING MEMORY CARE SERVICES THAT THEY WANNA PROVIDE IN TERMS OF YES, ESPECIALLY IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'VE DEFINED IT.
COMMISSION STANDARD SECOND ROUND FOR YOU, AND I'M GONNA GUESS YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PARKING, FIEN, LUU
IF YOU WERE A SPECIAL PROJECT RESIDENTIAL, AND MAYBE YOU NEED TO DEFINE THAT FOR ME, WOULD YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE IF YOU DID MULTI-FAMILY, EITHER SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR FEE IN LIEU PARKLAND? NO, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO MULTI-FAMILY RIGHT NOW WITHOUT ANY CONNECTION TO MIXED TO THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
AND BY NO MEANS DOES ANY CHANGE IN ZONING HAVE TO BE TIED TO THAT.
BUT THAT SAID, THEY'RE, THEY HAVE A SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT ENTITLED RIGHT NOW WHAT IS A SPECIAL PROJECT? IT'S JUST WHAT YOU, WHAT IS A SPECIAL PROJECT? IT'S, IT'S DEFINED ON A, A PD OR PDS BASIS.
SO IN THE PREVIOUS UH, ITERATION OF THIS CASE, IT WAS, IT WAS JUST THAT IT WAS A BUNDLE OF, UM, ENTITLEMENTS FOR MULTI-FAMILY OVER, UH, 4.5 F A R.
AND SO IF THEY DID, IT WAS SORT OF AN IF THEN SITUATION.
IF THEY DEVELOPED THAT AMOUNT OF MULTI-FAMILY, THEY COULD HAVE THESE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PROVIDED THEY DEVELOP IT IN A, IN A, IN A WAY CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVE UH, THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WERE PASSED IN THE EXISTING PDS.
SO YOU'RE SAYING IT GAVE THEM EXTRA DENSITY IF THEY PROVIDED THAT THEY HAD TO DO A CERTAIN POINT AT CERTAIN F A R AND THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF THEY DID CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS, THEN THEY GOT AN EXTRA DENSITY ON TOP OF THAT, OF OR F A R.
SO THAT MAKES IT A SPECIAL PROJECT.
UH, THEY'RE DIFFERENT BY THAT.
SPECIAL PROJECTS ARE NOT A, ARE NOT A A SINGULAR THING.
THEY'RE AS THEY'RE WRITTEN IN ANY GIVEN PD.
I THINK WHAT'S DIFFICULT FOR US SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING AROUND, I'M JUST GONNA PUT THIS RIGHT OUT HERE.
I THINK WHAT'S DIFFICULT FOR US IS THIS IS IN ONE OF THE MOST GLORIOUS SPOTS IN DALLAS TEXAS MODE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS GOING TO BE LUXURY, LUXURY, LUXURY.
WE PASSED THE FOUR SEASONS AND THE FOUR SEASONS AND OTHER PEOPLE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU JUST EXPLAINED THAT THEY COULD DO THIS BY RIGHT SPECIAL PROJECT MULTI-FAMILY.
SO THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO DO THIS.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS THAT WHEN THE CONDO PROJECT OF THE FOUR SEASONS, THEY HAD TO DO FEE AND LIEU, YOU KNOW, NOT OFFERING THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, WE HAVE THIS COMING AND WE MADE IT ASSISTED LIVING.
AND IT'S KIND OF LIKE, I GET IT, BUT I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN I CAN'T CHANGE WHAT THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO.
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HMM.ARE YOU AWARE? IS THERE A QUESTION?
MR. PE, CAN YOU PLEASE READ INTO THE RECORD? ONE MOMENT.
SO Z 2 1 12 316 IS AN APPLICATION FOR ONE AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT NUMBER 82 WITH PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT TWO A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND THREE, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY AND PROPERTY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB, EXCUSE ME, PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT NUMBER 82 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OKON SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF FAIRMOUNT STREET BETWEEN TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD AND ENID STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS WAIT FOR IT, AN APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUBDISTRICT NUMBER 82 WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93 OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN, REVISED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED APPROVAL OF A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THIS SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. PEPPI.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
COULD YOU PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? ON RIGHT, GO RIGHT AHEAD.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND DISTINGUISHED COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS ROB ARIS, I'M WITH THE APPLICANT NEXUS DEVELOPMENT.
I WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY TO LISTEN TO OUR PROPOSED PROJECT.
ALSO ESPECIALLY THANK UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND STAFF FOR ALL THEIR HARD WORK ALONG WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE AND ALSO ALL OF THE UH, MEMBERS OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE MET WITH OVER THE PAST YEAR.
I'M GONNA TRY TO SUM UP ANY UH, CONFUSION HERE IN THE THREE MINUTES OR LESS.
SO REAL QUICK, WHAT WE ARE, SO, UH, SENIOR LI IS A VERY BROAD TERM.
YOU'VE HAD EVERYTHING FROM INDEPENDENT LIVING, WHICH IS JUST AGES RESTRICTED MARKET RATE APARTMENTS.
YOU'VE GOT ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE WHICH FALL UNDER STATE LICENSES.
YOU'VE GOT SKILLED NURSING, WHICH IS A MEDICAL MODEL.
SO IT'S KINDA THE RANGE OF WHAT SENIOR LIVING ENCOMPASSES.
WE ARE ONLY ASSISTED LIVING IN MEMORY CARE, 100% STATE LICENSED BY TEXAS HEALTH HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION.
SO THERE IS NO INDEPENDENT LIVING HERE.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF DAILY SERVICE TO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, A PERFECT EXAMPLE IS IF ANYONE KNOWS BELMONT VILLAGE, UM, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE AREA, BELMONT VILLAGE ACTUALLY HAS INDEPENDENT ASSISTED AUNT MEMORY CARE INDEPENDENT UNITS ARE NOT LICENSED.
YOU CAN JUST COME AND GO FREELY.
YOUR ASSISTED IN MEMORY CARE UNITS ARE LICENSED.
SO THEY'RE KIND OF A MIXED BAG HYBRID.
OKAY? WE'RE SIMILAR EXCEPT FOR THE FACT WE DON'T HAVE THAT INDEPENDENT COMPONENT.
SO YOU CAN'T JUST MOVE IN HERE 55 AND OVER AND JUST COME AND GO AS YOU PLEASE.
YOU HAVE TO BE PART OF, YOU HAVE TO BE CLEARED THROUGH LICENSING AND RECEIVE AT LEAST ONE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
SO EVERYONE IN OUR BUILDING IS GETTING SERVICES.
UM, WE ARE NOT ALL THE WAY TO THE MEDICAL MODEL EITHER.
THE OTHER THING YOU MIGHT UH, HEAR IS, UH, CONTINUING CARE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES OR CRCS.
AND THOSE ARE BUY-IN OR ENTRY FEE MODELS AND THAT'S WHAT EDGEMERE IS, WHICH RECEIVED A LOT OF NO NEWS IN THE PAPER.
SO THAT THAT HAS ALL ASPECTS INDEPENDENT ASSISTED MEMORY CARE, AGE IN PLACE THROUGH THE WHOLE SPECTRUM.
YOU CAN TERMINATE YOUR LEASE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF NOTICE, THAT'S IT AND YOU'RE FREE TO GO.
WE BELIEVE THAT RE UH, SENIORS AT THIS AGE NEED TO HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN LESS.
SO WE DON'T REALLY OPINE TO THAT MODEL, BUT IT WORKS FOR SOME PEOPLE.
UM, SO FOR US THE KEY HERE IS GIVING THE RESIDENTS THE BEST CARE THEY CAN HAVE.
AT THIS POINT, OUR AVERAGE AGE FOR THE FACILITIES THAT WE DO OWN AND OPERATE CURRENTLY ARE 87 YEARS OLD.
THAT'S THE AVERAGE AGE OF MOVING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF JUST TO PUT IN CONTEXT AND PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
WE HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF EXPENSES THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT A CONDO COMPLEX WOULD NOT HAVE.
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LIVE THERE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF DUE AND AND SERVICE, BUT THE AMOUNT OF EXPENSES WE INCUR IS A DIFFERENT OPERATING MODEL THAN WHAT A CONDO PROJECT WOULD BE.SO THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT, THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT DENSITY WE'RE 168 ASSISTED LIVING APARTMENTS AND 30 MEMORY CARE UNITS FOR A TOTAL OF 1 98.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASSUMING IN THAT F A R REQUEST BETWEEN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ON THE 0.7 PER ONE UNIT AND THE F A R, THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY CAUSING THE DENSITY.
THERE IS A CAPACITY THERE, RIGHT? IF WE CAN'T JUST GO BUILD 300 UNITS, WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PARK THAT, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE LIMITATIONS BY WAY OF THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
FURTHER, WE'RE GONNA BE PROCESSING AN APPLICATION TO BE LICENSED BY HHSC THROUGH THE STATE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LICENSE US AND DICTATE HOW MANY OCCUPANTS WE CAN HAVE.
SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA LET US HAVE 20 PEOPLE IN ONE APARTMENT, OBVIOUSLY, RIGHT? SO THAT IS ALSO GONNA BE A, A CHECKS AND BALANCE IF YOU WILL.
UM, CUZ ULTIMATELY WE WILL HAVE TO GET A LICENSE TO OPERATE THIS FACILITY SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE ZONING CASE BEFORE YOU TODAY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UM, I WANT TO TRY TO TURN IT OVER TO TOMMY MANN TO GO THROUGH MORE SPECIFICS AND DETAILS OF THE PROJECT.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE COREY ALDER, WHO'S OUR PRESIDENT OF NEXUS, WHO CAN ALSO SUM UP ANY OTHER QUE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
AND WE HAVE OUR CONSULTANT TEAM AS WELL.
COLLEGE BASKETBALL PLAYER MIKE, HE THERE.
ALRIGHT, SO TOMMY MAN, 500 WINSTED BUILDING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
UM, I'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THIS QUICKLY AND FOCUS ON THE THINGS THAT ARE EVIDENTLY OF MORE INTEREST.
UM, THE FIRST REACTION WE GOT FROM THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE STARTED MEETING WITH FOLKS IS WHAT A GREAT USE FOR THIS SITE.
IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE RIGHT HERE ON TURTLE CREEK.
IT ALLOWS FOR MULTI-GENERATIONAL, UH, RESIDENTS OF THE AREA.
AND SO WE GOT QUICKLY TO WORK ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE PLAN, WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN HERE.
HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT FROM OUR WORK WITH THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE AND THE NEIGHBORS IS THE LOADING OPERATION AND HOW IT FUNCTIONS AND IS SCREENED OFF OF ENID, THE STREET SCAPE AROUND THE WHOLE SITE, IMPROVING THE WALKABILITY OF THE INTERSECTION OF TURTLE CREEK AND FAIRMONT.
ALL THESE THINGS WERE OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY WE ENJOY THEIR SUPPORT.
UM, HERE YOU SEE THOSE STREET SCAPES.
WE'VE GOT 10 FEET AT SIDEWALK ON TURTLE CREEK.
WE NARROW THE SIDEWALKS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE TREES AS WE WORK OUR WAY AROUND THE SITE AND WE STILL HAVE ENOUGH ROOM EVEN IN THE LOADING AREA ON EDITED FOR THE STREET TREES.
AND HERE YOU SEE A DETAILED ELEVATION, UH, MAYBE OF HOW THAT AREA IS TREATED AND SCREENED.
SO THE BUILDING SECTION IS WHERE I AM NOW.
IF YOU'RE LOOKING THROUGH IT, THE PROGRAM 168 ASSISTED LIVING UNITS, 30 MEMORY CARE UNITS, THE MEMORY CARES ARE ISOLATED AT THE LOWER SECTION OF THE BUILDING AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN AMENITIES, THEIR OWN TERRACE AREA, ALL OF THE THINGS INTENTIONALLY DESIGNED FOR THOSE RESIDENTS TO ENJOY SEPARATELY FROM THE OTHERS.
AND THEN THE BUILDING ITSELF IS HEAVILY PROGRAMMED WITH AMENITIES.
AND THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THESE FOLKS ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE OF LIVING HERE, HERE AND HAVE ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THEY NEED.
NO ONE SIMPLY PAYS RENT IN THIS BUILDING.
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS PAYING FOR SERVICES EVERY MONTH.
WHO LIVES HERE? THE BUILDING IS STAFFED 24 7 BY PROFESSIONALS WHO CARE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
IT IS NOT AN APARTMENT BUILDING, IT IS NOTHING LIKE AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
AND IF IT WAS JUST AN APARTMENT BUILDING, WE COULD HAVE STARTED BUILDING BACK IN JULY WHEN WE FILED THIS REQUEST INSTEAD.
WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THE CITY CODE ONLY HAS TWO DEFINITIONS.
CONVALESCENT IN NURSING HOME, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY SKILLED NURSING, ALMOST A HOSPITAL AND RETIREMENT HOUSING, WHICH IS JUST AN APARTMENT WE ARE NEITHER, WE ARE CLOSER TO THE CONVALESCENT IN NURSING HOME, BUT WE ARE NOT THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE OFFERING THE DEFINITION TO CLARIFY IT.
THE BUILDING IS 100% LICENSED AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE TWEAKED THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THIS PD FROM AN OVERALL ENTITLEMENT PERSPECTIVE VERY SLIGHTLY.
WE'RE INCREASING THE F A R FROM 5.5 TO 6.4.
EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THIS, THE ABILITY TO HAVE KITCHENS, SORRY, IS REALLY AN ENHANCEMENT FROM AN URBAN DESIGN, SUSTAINABILITY OR UH, COMMUNITY INPUT PERSPECTIVE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SPENT THIS MANY MONTHS WORKING ON A REQUEST THAT'S MUCH BETTER DESIGN AND AN APPROPRIATELY DEFINED USE.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND I WILL LET COREY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY, COME UP AND FURTHER EXPLAIN EXACTLY HOW THEY OPERATE AND WHO LIVES HERE.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF NEXUS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, JUST TO CONTINUE ON THE OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE A CONCIERGE 24 7 BUILDINGS OCCUPIED ALL THE TIME BY EMPLOYEES.
WE PROVIDE THREE MEALS A DAY, SNACKS, WE PROVIDE
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ACTIVITIES ALL DAY LONG, SOME 10 TO 15 DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, SOME PHYSICAL FITNESS, SOME NUTRITIONAL FITNESS, SOME COGNITIVE FITNESS.CUZ AT OUR, AT THIS AGE, 85 THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
UM, SOMETIMES PSYCHOLOGICAL AND AND MENTAL FITNESS.
WE TRY TO HELP OUR FOLKS, THEY'VE MOVED OUT OF THEIR HOUSE, THEY'VE LOST A SPOUSE, THEY NEED ASSISTANCE.
THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
WE HAVE FOUR CARS THAT WE DRIVE THEM EVERYWHERE.
THAT'S PART OF THE PARKING RATIO.
MOST OF THESE, NOBODY IN MEMORY CARE DRIVES AND VERY FEW PEOPLE IN ASSISTED LIVING DRIVE OR THEY SHOULDN'T DRIVE.
UM, SO WE PROVIDE THE VEHICLES.
THAT'S WHY THE TRAFFIC COUNT IS SO LOW.
AND WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH PARKING AS AN APARTMENT BUILDING CUZ WE DON'T HAVE, WE HAVE NO DRIVERS.
SO WE'RE A RENTAL MODEL UNLIKE EDGEMERE.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROVIDE OUR RESIDENTS THE MOST FLEXIBILITY.
THEIR WORLD IS CHANGING EVERY WEEK, EVERY MONTH.
SO RATHER THAN MAKE THEM BUY SOMETHING AND GET THEM TIED IN, WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT THAT WAS DOING THEM ANY SERVICE.
I'M IN THE BUILDINGS ALL THE TIME PERSONALLY AT OUR THREE COMMUNITIES IN, IN CALIFORNIA.
I PLAN ON DOING THE SAME THING HERE.
WE KNOW EVERY RESIDENT, WE KNOW EVERY EMPLOYEE, WE KNOW THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS, THEY COUNT ON US.
SO STATE LICENSED, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ALL OF THESE SERVICES.
THIS IS A LOT OF OUR, OUR LABOR FORCE IS BIG, RIGHT? SO, UM, ANYHOW, THERE WAS A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT WHAT WE REALLY WERE AND THAT'S WHY AS TOMMY MENTIONED, WE'RE ASSISTED LIVING CUZ WE'RE REALLY PROVIDING THESE ELDERLY PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY, ALL OF THESE SERVICES.
SO WE THANK YOUR TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
IF THERE'S FURTHER QUESTIONS OR YOU NEED OTHER CLARIFICATION, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANYTHING YOU NEED.
WE'RE ASKING PERMANENT U HI, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU.
WE ARE ASKING FOR, UH, THE PERMANENT.
PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS THE RECORD PLEASE.
I'M WITH UH, HK AS A DESIGNER TEAM.
UH, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO FOR THE ESPINOZA TO BE PERMANENT SINCE UH, THIS IS ONLY SERVING THE RESIDENTS SALES OF ALCOHOL WILL ONLY BE FOR RESIDENTS AND GUST OF RESIDENTS.
MM-HMM
HI, HOW ARE YOU TODAY? ALL RIGHT, I UNDERST DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT YOU, YOU NEED A D ONE LIQUOR OVERLAY? SO YOU'RE GONNA SELL AND AND AND SERVE ALCOHOL? YES MA'AM.
I I CAN EXPLAIN THAT AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING CUZ I RAN OUT OF MY THREE MINUTES.
SO
THE FOLKS WHO LIVE HERE HAVE A BAR.
MY 97 YEAR OLD GRANDFATHER IS VERY UNHAPPY.
IF HE DOESN'T GET A GLASS OF CHARDONNAY AT FIVE O'CLOCK, IT GOES ON THE MONTHLY BILL.
IT IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THAT'S IN OUR PD CONDITIONS, I MEAN OUR U CONDITIONS.
SO I KNOW IT'S NOT THE GENERAL PURVIEW OF THIS BODY TO GRANT A PERMANENT U SO I APPRECIATE STAFF'S CONSISTENCY ON THAT.
WE THINK THIS IS PRETTY UNIQUE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHECK IN ON GRANNY'S GONE WILD EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THEY'RE JUST ORDERING AT THE BAR AND THEY'RE BUILDING AND THAT'S IT.
OKAY AND SO THEN, UM, I, I KNOW WE WERE HAVING A CHALLENGE WITH WHERE DOES THIS FIT IN? 51 A 27, 13, WHAT THIS IS RENTAL PROPERTY PER SE.
SO ASSU, IF I CAN ASSUME YOUR QUESTION IS DIRECTED TO THE DISCUSSION AROUND FI AND LIEU AND HOW IT'S SO I'LL, I'LL OFFER SEVERAL POINTS FOR CONSIDERATION AND SUGGEST THAT ANY ONE OF THEM YOU COULD CONSIDER AS RESOLVING THE QUESTION, BUT I'LL PUT 'EM ALL OUT THERE FOR YOU.
SO THE FIRST ANSWER IS NO ONE SIMPLY PAYS RENT.
YES, RENT IS PART OF WHAT YOU PAY, BUT EVERYONE PAYS FOR SERVICES AND EMPLOYEES ARE COMPENSATED OUT OF THOSE PAYMENTS THAT ARE MADE FOR SERVICES EVERY MONTH, WHICH IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAN, AND THOSE EMPLOYEES STAFF THE PROJECT 24 7, RIGHT? VERY DIFFERENT THAN AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
SECOND, THE FEE IN LIEU PROGRAM IS REALLY A BONUS WHEN YOU ARE MEANINGFULLY INCREASING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND ENTITLEMENTS.
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I'M OFTEN HERE, I'M HERE IN A MINUTE GOING FROM AN F A R OF FOUR ISH TO 11 AND I'M PAYING FEE OR PROVIDING THE UNITS FOR THAT ONE HERE FOR THIS USE WE'RE GOING FROM A 5.6 TO A 6.4 AND STAYING AT THE EXISTING HEIGHT.THIS REQUEST IS REALLY NOT ABOUT INCREASING HOW MUCH WE CAN BUILD, IT'S ABOUT CLARIFYING WHAT WE ARE BUILDING BECAUSE THERE IS A GAP IN THE CITY CODE AS IT EXISTS.
A CONVALESCENT IN NURSING HOME USE IS NOT ALLOWED ON THIS PROPERTY TODAY.
OFFERING SERVICES AT ALL TRIGGERS THAT CLASSIFICATION.
AND WE COULD NOT BUILD THIS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PRESENT THIS AS A CONVALESCENT OR NURSING HOME BECAUSE IT'S NOT.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THE DEFINITION.
WE ALMOST RIPPED THAT ENTIRELY FROM THE BELMONT VILLAGE PDS DOWN THE STREET.
UM, SO IF IT'S INADEQUATE OR WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S A LICENSED FACILITY OR THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE PROVIDING SERVICES, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE MY LAST QUESTION.
UM, BECAUSE IT'S STATE LICENSE, IT'S STATE REGULATED AND, AND THE STATE DOES ALL OF THE MONITORING, WHETHER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR TOO MANY PEOPLE OR IN, IN A BEDROOM PER SE.
SO BECAUSE YOU'RE REDEFINED OR YOU, YOU'RE ACTUALLY REDEFINING OUR EXISTING CODE TO OPERATE IN A USE THAT DOES NOT EXIST IN OUR CODE TODAY.
WE ARE SITTING HERE TRYING TO TALK THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT'S A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD FIRST ROUND FOR YOU.
UH, I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS CONCEPT.
THERE'S A PLACE CALLED CHEVY CHASE HOUSE IN WASHINGTON DC WHICH ALSO A VERY HIGH END PLACE THAT DOES THE SAME THING.
HERE'S ONE THING I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
NORMALLY THE CPC WOULDN'T ASK THESE QUOTE FINANCIAL QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT DOES GO TO SOMETHING EVEN ABOUT PARKING.
I SAID I LIVE BY THE EDGE MIRROR.
OKAY AND YOU'VE GOT 0.7 PARKING.
DO I GET THE FACT THAT 87 YEAR OLDS DON'T DRIVE? OF COURSE I DO.
BUT AT THE EDGE MIRROR, EACH PERSON IN THERE GOT THEIR OWN PRIVATE NURSE COMING IN EVEN THOUGH THERE WERE NURSES ON SITE WITHIN THE PROJECT AND THEREFORE EVERY RESIDENTIAL STREET IS FULL OF THESE PRIVATE NURSES THINGS.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THAT I WOULD HAVE ON THE RENTAL THING THAT I WANT TO CLARIFY.
SO THERE'S THE RENTAL PORTION, BUT THEY ARE IN FACT REQUIRED TO PAY FOR SERVICES, NOT JUST THE ONES THEY USE.
IS THAT CORRECT OR INCORRECT? THEY PAY FOR THE SERVICES THEY USE, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO USE SERVICES AND OVER TIME THEY MAY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SERVICES THEY USE.
SO WHEN SOMEONE FIRST MOVES IN AND CLEAN ME UP, IF I GET IT WRONG, THEY MAY JUST BE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE MEALS AND THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE HOUSEKEEPING AND TRIPS TO THE DOCTOR AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND IF THAT PERSON DEVELOPS MEMORY CARE ISSUES, THEY CAN MOVE DOWN TO THAT LEVEL.
IF THAT PERSON DEVELOPS A NEED FOR HELP WITH BATHING OR EATING THAT THEY CAN ADD THAT TO THE MENU OF SERVICES THAT THEY PAY FOR EVERY MONTH.
CLEAN ME UP IF I GOT THAT WRONG.
YEAH, LEMME JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT.
SO AGAIN, YES THE UM, BY, BY CARRYING A STATE LICENSE FOR A RESIDENTIAL CARE FACILITY FOR THE ELDERLY, UH, THERE IS A BASE LEVEL OF SERVICES THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AS THE OPERATOR THAT WE ARE.
RIGHT? SO THAT BASELINE IS A GIVEN DAY ONE.
WHERE TOMMY IS SAYING IS THEN OBVIOUSLY AS YOUR YOUR AGE INCREASES YOUR YOUR NEEDS INCREASE, THEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL CARE THAT WOULD GO ON TOP OF THAT BASE LEVEL.
YEAH AND AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING TO IS LET'S SAY SOMEONE MOVES IN THERE, IS THERE A CRITERIA THAT SAYS I NEED SOME ASSISTANCE AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE WEALTHY PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA MOVE THERE.
OKAY, THEY'RE 80 YEARS OLD AND THEY'RE GOING SO THEY GET THE APARTMENT, THEY WANT THEIR MEALS FIXED, THEY WANT SOMEONE DRIVING THEM PLACES AND DRIVING TO THE DOCTOR.
THAT'S NOT KIND OF THE ASSISTANCE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
IS THERE ANY CRITERIA TO RENT THERE THAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW YOU NEED ASSISTANCE THERE? EVERY RESIDENT GOES THROUGH AN ASSESSMENT AS PART OF THE LICENSING MOVE-IN PROCESS.
AND SO YES THERE'S AN ASSESSMENT WITH DOCTORS THAT GET, THAT GET DIAGNOSED.
BUT I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFIC TO EDER, CAUSE I THINK WE HEARD THIS FROM THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE, BOTH FROM AN EDGEMERE EXAMPLE AND A BELMONT EXAMPLE.
SO AGAIN, FOR THE EDGEMERE THAT'S A CCRC, THEY DO FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY
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OF 80% INDEPENDENT, RIGHT? AND SO THE MAJORITY OF THOSE UNITS ON THAT 17 ACRES IS INDEPENDENT.THOSE FOLKS ARE COMING AND THEN WHEN THEY NEED SERVICES, BECAUSE THEY'RE ASSISTED LIVING PORTION OF THAT BUILDING IS SO SMALL IN COMPARISON TO WHAT THEY ARE GIVING FOR INDEPENDENCE.
THEY NEED TO SUPPLEMENT AND THE WAY THEY SUPPLEMENT IS THEY BRING IN THE PRIVATE CAREGIVERS.
OKAY AND CAUSE THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE CAUSING BE YOUR THING CUZ THAT DOES GO TO PARKING.
WHAT IS GOING TO BE, DO THEY NEED TO USE YOUR PEOPLE, YOUR PLACE? ARE YOU GONNA LET THEM BRING IN INDEPENDENT PEOPLE AND ARE THERE ENOUGH PARKING PLACES FOR IT? SO SO ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS ARE NUMBER ONE, YES WE PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES SO THEY DON'T NEED TO GO SUPPLEMENT OUT FOR A PRIVATE CAREGIVER AND THEY WILL USE OUR PARKING IN OUR UNDERGROUND GARAGE.
OUR RATIO OF 0.7 TO ONE WAS VERY STRATEGIC.
USUALLY THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY IS ANYWHERE ARRANGING FROM 0.4 TO ONE TO 0.8 TO ONE.
SO, UH, WE THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IN EXCESS OF THE 0.7 TO ONE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE MINIMUM WE PUT IN THE, IN THE PD DOCUMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A RESIDENT ON THE OAKLAND COMMITTEE THAT SPOKE ABOUT CONCERN WITH, THEY LIVE NEAR BELMONT VILLAGE AND THAT WAS ANOTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP BECAUSE BELMONT VILLAGE, UH, THEIR PARKING RATIO IS 0.6 TO ONE ON JUST THE ASSISTED, ASSUMING ZERO INDEPENDENT RESIDENTS AND OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE QUITE A FEW INDEPENDENT RESIDENTS, SO THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THEIR SPECIFIC ISSUE.
SO AGAIN, BETWEEN EDGEMERE AND BELMONT, YOU KNOW, IT'S LITTLE APPLES AND ORANGES, UH, FOR US BECAUSE OF US ONLY BEING ASSISTED AND THERE'S NO INDEPENDENT THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING, THE TRAFFIC THAT YOU'RE EXPERIENCING THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM ED MEER IN BELMONT AREN'T NOT GONNA BE THE CASE HERE.
I WAS JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE PRIVATE NURSES CAUSE THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE EXPLANATION.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STANDARD'S.
UM, CONCERN ABOUT PRIVATE NURSES.
HAVING RECENTLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, MYSELF, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THAT IN ACTION.
UM, IN A, IN A MIXED USE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I ALSO HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, GOING, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE A RESTAURANT.
WOULD I BE ABLE TO VISIT MY GRANDMOTHER AND HAVE DINNER WITH HER AND HAVE A GLASS OF WINE WITH HER? YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN.
YOU CANNOT WALK IN OFF THE STREET IF YOUR GRANDMOTHER IS NOT THERE.
BUT YES, NO, ANYONE'S, ANYONE'S GRANDDAUGHTER CAN, BUT NONE A RANDOM PERSON OFF THE STREET CANNOT.
AND I ASSUME YOU GUYS HAVE SOME KIND OF CHECK-IN ROUTINE THAT I'VE SEEN AT OTHER FACILITIES WHERE IT VERIFIES THAT YOU'RE THERE TO SEE A SPECIFIC RESIDENT.
EVERYBODY WHO COMES IN THE BUILDING, CUZ WE HAVE 24 7 CONCIERGE HAS TO REGISTER SO WE KNOW WHO'S THERE, THEY COME IN, EVERYBODY KNOWS OUR RESIDENTS, SO WE KNOW WHO THE FAMILY MEMBERS ARE.
UM, SO YEAH, IT, IT, IT'S VERY WELL TRACKED.
WE TRACK ALL OF THE RESIDENTS, WHETHER THEY COME TO MEALS OR NOT, BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMING DOWN AND THEY'RE GETTING NOURISHED THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
SO EVERY MEAL WE KEEP TRACK AND IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T COME DOWN, WE'LL GO OUT AND JUST POLITELY CHECK IN WITH THEM.
EVERYTHING OKAY? YOU DOING ALL RIGHT? YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY JUST SKIP BREAKFAST OR LUNCH FOR THAT DAY, WHATEVER, BUT WE WATCH OVER 'EM PRETTY CLOSE.
AND THE, JUST ON THE EDGE MIRROR AND THE PARKING, YOU KNOW THAT COMMUNITY IS WHAT, ALMOST 400 UNITS ROUGHLY? YEAH, ALMOST 400, 3 20 ARE INDEPENDENT, 60 ARE ASSISTED AND 20 OR SO ARE MEMORY CARE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU GET THOSE ISSUES.
WE ARE NOT THAT WE ARE, UH, WE'RE ASSISTED LIVING AND MEMORY CARE.
SO BASED ON OUR HISTORY AND OUR OPERATIONS, VERY FEW PEOPLE, WHEN WE BUILT OURS IN CALIFORNIA, WE HAD 90 PARKING SPACES FOR RESIDENTS.
THERE ARE NOW 12 CARS FOR OUR RESIDENCE.
12 AND MOST OF THE FAMILIES HAVE TAKEN THE KEYS OR DISCONNECTED THE BATTERY.
SO JUST, WE'VE BEEN THERE MUCH SAFER.
UH, I'VE HEARD YOU REPORT A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT UM, YOU DON'T NEED ANY HEIGHT THAT 2 95 IS, AND SO I'M JUST, YOU MAY BE AWARE, I'M LOOKING AT A, AT A STAFF REPORT ON PAGE SEVEN THAT SAYS YOUR, YOUR CURRENT ZONING'S TWO 40.
SO DO I JUST DISREGARD THAT IF, IF I MAY? YEAH, I TRIED TO CORRECT THAT.
SO THAT'S THE BASE O TWO ZONING, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SPECIAL PROJECT LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GO UP TO 2 85 AND 10 ADDITIONAL FOR THE, UM, SO WHAT I FAILED TO PUT IN THAT TABLE WAS THE SPECIAL PROJECT HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY, CUZ YOU KNOW, THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A SPECIAL PROJECT FOR THEIR HEIGHT IS SUBJECT TO SPECIAL REGULATIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, I THINK I
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HEARD YOU SAY IT WAS ONE OF THE NOTES THAT I MADE UNDER THE DEFINITION FOR A ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY, ADDING LANGUAGE AS LICENSED BY THE STATE OR AUTHORITY, HAVING JURISDICTION MIGHT BE A WAY TO PROVIDE CLARITY TO THE INTENT OF THIS SPECIAL PROJECT.I'M NO EXPERT IN THE LEVELS OF LICENSURE, BUT THE WHOLE BUILDING IS LICENSED BY THE STATE.
AND ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION, UM, I THINK I HEARD YOU MENTION, UM, YOU ALL DID, UM, GO TO THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE, I THINK, UM, A COUPLE TIMES.
AND YOU DO HAVE, UM, SUPPORT FROM THEM.
THEY PROVIDED THAT IN WRITING TO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND PROBABLY YOU AND WAS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, UM, HOW THE SITE, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS IN YOUR COMMENTS, THAT A LOT OF DISCUSSION WAS HOW IS THIS INTEGRATING WITH THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, PULLING FORWARD THE GOALS OF THE LAWN PLAN? AND NOTICE IT ON ONE OF YOUR, UM, PAGES IN YOUR HANDOUT, I THINK IT'S, IT'S MARKED PAGE 11, THAT'S SHOWING AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE CURB LINE TO TRY TO HELP, UM, IMPROVE PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION WITHIN THE AREA.
AND THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A BIG PUSH FROM THE OKON COMMITTEE AND WE ACTUALLY WENT AND MET WITH ENGINEERING.
BASICALLY THE WALKING DISTANCE FROM SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK ACROSS THAT INTERSECTION IS KIND OF CRAZY AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE RADI OF THE CURBS.
AND SO WE'VE MET WITH ENGINEERING AND CONFIRMED WE WILL BE ABLE TO NARROW THE DISTANCE, BUT THEY WON'T CONFIRM HOW MUCH FOR SURE, UNTIL WE'RE AT FULL DESIGN DRAWING, BUT YES.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU'RE PRESERVING TREES AND OBVIOUSLY, UM, HONORING THE, UM, SETBACK FOR THE TURTLE CREEK.
I'M NOT TOUCHING THE TURTLE CREEK ENVIRONMENTAL CORRIDOR.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S.
FIRST QUESTION, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, INDEPENDENT LIVING DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY KIND OF STATE LICENSURE.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL.
AND THEN ABOVE THAT IS ASSISTED LIVING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING, WHICH REQUIRES STATE LICENSURE AND INVOLVES A LEVEL OF SERVICES THAT MAY START OUT AT SOME MINIMUM LEVEL AND, AND MAY BECOME MORE EXTENSIVE, BUT THAT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF SKILLED NURSING CARE, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND THEN THERE'S SKILLED NURSING CARE, WHICH REQUIRES LICENSURE, BUT WHICH YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO.
DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO TWEAK THE ASSISTED LIVING DEFINITION TO MAKE IT CLEARER THAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, INDEPENDENT LIVING? SURE.
WE ARE HAPPY TO RE STATE THAT ASSISTED LIVING RE REQUIRES LICENSURE FROM THE STATE FOR ALL UNITS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEAH, SO, UM, A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENCES IN MY AREA WHO WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE THERE.
THEY'VE BEEN HAVING ISSUES WITH, UM, BEING LIMITED ON VISITING THEIR SENIOR PARENT.
UM, SHE WAS TOLD I THINK SHE COULD ONLY GET A PASS TO PARK 12 TIMES IN A MONTH.
AND WHOA, DOES SHE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? WOULD THAT EVER BE A, UH, SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD LOOK AT? THE COMMUNITY'S OPEN 24 7.
SO RESIDENTS CAN COME AND THEIR GUESTS AND THEIR FAMILIES CAN COME WHENEVER THEY WOULD LIKE.
WE DID HAVE SOME RESTRICTIONS DURING COVID THAT THE STATE MANDATED ON US STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
SO WE DIDN'T, WE COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS LIMITATIONS ON VISITATION BECAUSE OF THAT.
THERE'S NO LICENSURE LIMITATION ON VISITATION, NOR NOR ANY POLICIES BY US.
SO ABSENT ANOTHER PANDEMIC, THE ANSWER IS YOU CAN COME WHENEVER YOU WANT.
ONE VERY QUICK LITTLE QUESTION FOR YOU, MR. MAN.
JUST A LITTLE CLEAN CLEANUP ITEM.
THE, THE BONUS IS CONNECTED TO THE ASSISTED LIVING LANGUAGE.
SO WE'VE DISPLACED THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL RESIDENTIAL PROJECT WITH OUR DEFINITION OF A SPECIAL PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES ASSISTED LIVING AS WELL AS ALL OF THE ENHANCED DESIGN STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO WE CAN'T GET OUR F A R BUMP WITHOUT MEETING ALL THE SUSTAINABILITY REQUIREMENTS, ALL OF THE URBAN DESIGN REQUIREMENTS AND EVERYTHING IN THE DRAFT CONDITIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF
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COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? ALL RIGHT.I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, APPROVE, UH, I'M SORRY, RE, REGARDING MATTER Z 212 316.
I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UM, ADOPTING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH, UM, AS BRIEFED, UM, ACCORDING TO THE CONDITIONS CIRCULATED ON APRIL 18TH, 2023.
UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UM, WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES, NUMBER ONE IN SECTION 82.104, SUBSECTION B, THE DEFINITION OF ASSISTED LIVING WILL BE CHANGED AS FOLLOWED.
ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY MEANS A PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY REQUIRING LICENSING FROM THE STATE OF TEXAS TO OPERATE ALL UNITS AND WHICH FURNACES IN SINGLE OR MULTIPLE FACILITIES, FOOD, SHELTER, LAUNDRY, AND OTHER ASSISTANCE, WHICH MAY INCLUDE MEMORY CARE IN ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING TO FIVE OR MORE PERSONS WHO ARE NOT RELATED BY BLOOD MARRIAGE OR ADOPTION TO THE OWNER OR PROPRIETOR OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
FOOD IS PREPARED IN A CENTRAL KITCHEN, INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS AND SUITES MAY HAVE KITCHENS.
SECOND, CHANGE SECTION 82.111, I MOVE TO UNDO THE STRIKE OF SUBSECTION B, WHICH IS THE L E E D CERTIFICATION, REINSERTING THE LEAD CERTIFICATION AND UPDATING THE EFFECTIVE DATE TO APRIL 2ND, 2019.
SO FOR THE PURPOSE OF CLARITY, THIS, UH, PROJECT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE LEAD CERTIFICATION EFFECTIVE AS OF APRIL 2ND, 2019.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IN REGARDS TO THE S U FOR THE D ONE OVERLAY.
UH, ALSO, UH, MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE U P, UM, I'M SORRY, APPROVAL OF THE D ONE, UH, LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND APPROVAL OF THE S U PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, UH, FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, FIVE YEAR PERIOD.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, CONSTERNATION ABOUT CALLING THIS AN ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY TRUST.
I HAD THE SAME, UM, MISGIVINGS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CASE, AS SOME OF YOU DID, BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE ONLY MODIFIED OUR CODE TO HAVE MIXED INCOME HOUSING FOR RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE NOT FOLLOWED SUIT WITH, WITH WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE TO INCLUDE THAT FOR OTHER TYPES OF BUILDINGS.
I HOPE THAT WE DO IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE HAVE NOT.
AND THIS FACILITY IS SORT OF A HYBRID.
UM, SOME INTERESTING ASPECTS OF IT THAT THEY DIDN'T SHARE WITH YOU, UM, THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO, I THINK ARE, PROVIDE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR AN AGING COMMUNITY, LIKE BEING ABLE TO CUT THE POWER TO THE KITCHENS AS PEOPLE AGE.
I THINK GIVE, UM, AGING MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY SOME DIGNITY AND SOME OPTIONS AS THEY AGE.
THE FACILITY IS GOING TO HAVE A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES THAT INCLUDE PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES THAT I THINK ARE GOOD FOR SENIORS.
UM, IT IS VERY CLOSE TO PLACES WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY MOVING AS SORT OF A NEXT STEP OUT OF, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES INTO MORE OF A EITHER LOCK AND LEAVE OR A, UM, PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE L MOVING AS THEY AGE.
SO THIS MAKES A NICE NEXT STEP FOR THEM.
SO, UH, THE LOCATION IS A GOOD PLACE FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY.
AND THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT IS THAT THEY ALREADY HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THE ZONING THAT THEY, THAT THEY NEED.
AND SO THEY ARE MEETING US, UM, IN A LOT OF WAYS ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN THE CITY IN TERMS OF GREEN BUILDING.
UM, THEY ARE ALSO ONE OF OUR LITTLE GUINEA PIGS ON DOING HABITATS.
UM, THEY ARE AGREEING TO PROVIDE EITHER, UH, POLLINATOR OR BIRD HABITATS, AND THEY'RE AGREEING
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TO MAINTAIN THEM WITHOUT HERBICIDES, FUNGICIDES AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS THAT, UM, WILL LONG-TERM HOPEFULLY PROVIDE A MORE LASTING TYPE OF, UH, SUSTAINABLE HABITATS FOR OUR POLLINATORS AND BIRDS.HOPEFULLY THEIR RESIDENTS WILL APPRECIATE THAT.
AND EVEN THOUGH A HANDFUL OF THESE HABITATS ON THIS ONE SITE MAY NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS WE PRODUCE MORE AND MORE OF THESE AROUND THE CITY, IT CREATES THE TYPE OF SUSTAINABLE, UM, UH, ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE CCAP THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE.
THEY HAVE ALSO AGREED TO DO WATER RECAPTURE AND UM, SOME OTHER, UM, WATER, SMART WATER USAGE ON THE SITE, WHICH IS NOT ONLY GOOD FOR THE TURTLE CREEK CORRIDOR, IT'S GOOD FOR OUR REGION AND OUR CITY AS A WHOLE IN TERMS OF, UH, SMART WATER USAGE.
AND THEY HAVE AGREED TO USE EITHER LOW WATER OR, UM, MODERATE WATER PLANTS IN NATIVE OR ADAPTIVE PLANTS, WHICH ALSO HELPS WITH OUR WATER CONSERVATION AND HELPS US, UM, IN REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF PLANT WASTE THAT WE PROVIDE THAT WE END UP IN OUR LANDFILLS.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW THIS SITE IS GONNA FUNCTION FROM A GREEN BUILDING AND A GREEN MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, IT'S GOT A LOT OF THINGS GOING FOR IT, WHICH IS A COST TO THE DEVELOPER AND IS A BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, UM, AND IN ADDITION IT'S PROVIDING HOUSING AND IT'S PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED SENIOR HOUSING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, I HOPE THAT YOU'LL SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER C? NONE THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 316.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAINTIFF AMENDMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 82 WITHIN PD NUMBER 1 93, THE OAKLAND SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND REVISED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED AS WELL AS OF APPROVAL OF A D ONE CONTROL OVERLAY APPROVAL, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR SALE ALCOHOL BEVERAGES, CONJUNCTION WITH AN ASSISTED LIVING CENTER FOR A FIVE YEAR FACILITY FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN STAFF, DRUG COMMITTED CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IS WRITTEN INTO THE RECORD BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IN REGARDS TO THE DEFINITION OF ASSISTED LIVING AND, UH, THE LEAD CERTIFICATION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, WE ARE RECORDING MS. MUNOZ, WE'RE READY FOR BRIEFING.
WE'RE READY FOR YOU, MS. MUNOZ, WHEN YOU'RE READY.
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ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.I AM SHARING MY SCREEN RIGHT NOW AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA WITHIN PD NUMBER THREE 16.
AND THAT PD IS FOR MIXED USES.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED IN 1989.
HAS OVER 176 ACRES WITH NINE SUBDISTRICTS.
THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT, UH, FOUR A TO ADJUST THE SETBACKS HEIGHT AND DWELLING UNIT DENSITY TO MATCH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS OWNED SUB-DISTRICT THREE WITHIN PD EIGHT 30.
SO THEY SHARE A LOT LINE WITH THIS TO THE NORTH, THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED TO THE NORTH OF IT.
THIS APPLICATION ALSO PROVIDES MIXED INCOME HOUSING WITH ADDED URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS AS A BONUS FOR THE ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT DENSITY THAT'S BEING PROVIDED AND THE AMENDED SETBACKS AND REDUCED PARKING FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY USE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS UNDER HALF AN ACRE AND IT'S LOCATED IN THE BISHOP'S ART, EXCUSE ME, BISHOP ART'S DISTRICT, NORTHWEST CORNER OF SOUTH BISHOP AVENUE AND SUNSET AVENUE WEST OF ZANG BOULEVARD.
HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT AN AERIAL SHOT OF THAT SITE THAT HAS NO STRUCTURES ON IT.
IT'S, UH, CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT, WHICH I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MOMENT.
AND OH, I'M SORRY, HERE TO THE NORTH YOU SEE, UH, MULTI-FAMILY UNITS RIGHT HERE TO THE NORTH THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED.
AND THEN WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY USES ADJACENT TO THE WEST.
AND THEN ACROSS, YOU CAN SEE THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN HERE OF HAVING, UM, OTHER USES PARKING AND THEN MORE, UM, SINGLE FAMILY USES LOCATED ACROSS THE STREET ON SUNSET AVENUE.
AND THAT'S A LITTLE CLEARER HERE IN MY ZONING MAP.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE CENTER PART ALL ALONG SUNSET IS ALL PART OF PD THREE 16 SUB AREA FOUR, AND THEN PAST THAT BLOCK ON SUNSET GOING SOUTH ON BISHOP ON JEFFERSON BOULEVARD.
WE THEN ENTER P SUB AREA ONE ON PD THREE 16.
AND TO THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT SITE, UH, IS WHERE WE HAVE PD EIGHT 30.
THERE'S MULTIPLE SUB-DISTRICTS THERE WITH A MIX OF ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF USES.
AND HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE VACANT PROPERTY FROM SUNSET.
AND THIS IS FROM SOUTH BISHOP AVENUE.
SO WEST ONTO THE PROPERTY AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USES, THERE'S A VACANT LOT LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST AND THAT'S IN PD EIGHT 30.
AND THEN THIS NEW MULTI-FAMILY WHICH IS SEPARATED BY AN ALLEYWAY TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE.
AND THAT'S A BETTER VIEW OF IT IN HOW IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY.
AND THE SINGLE FAMILY USES, WHICH ARE WEST ON SUNSET.
AND THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS SITE TO THE EAST LOOKING AT BOTH CORNERS OF SUNSET.
AND THEN THIS IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY ON SUNSET.
SO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AND THIS IS, IS ADJACENT TO THE SITE, WHICH WOULD BE NEXT DOOR TO THE STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED.
AND THEN WE HAVE THIS, UH, PARKING LOT AREA.
NOW I HAVE THIS CHART IN YOUR CASE REPORT, SO I HOPE THAT YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE SOME TIME AND LOOK AT IT.
I DID PROVIDE THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, THE PROPOSED, AND THEN THE ABUDDING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS TO THE NORTH.
AND THROUGHOUT MY CASE REPORT I DID REFERENCE WHERE THEY'RE MEETING ONE OR THE OTHER.
AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'VE DONE HERE IS SHOWN YOU WHERE THEY'RE DIFFERING IN RED AND THOSE DIFFERENCES WHERE THEY MATCH ONE OR THE OTHER DISTRICT.
I HAVE PUT ARROWS GOING IN THOSE DIRECTIONS, BUT OVERALL, THEY'RE ASKING TO ALLOW THE MULTI-FAMILY USE BY RIGHT, UH, WITHOUT ANY OTHER MIX OF USES BEING REQUIRED, WHICH CURRENTLY THE MULTI-FAMILY USE IS ALLOWED AS A MIXED USE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, IN PD THREE 16, THE WAY THAT A MIXED USE PROJECT IS GIVEN DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IS KIND OF ODD BECAUSE THE FAR CHART OR THE FLOOR AREA RATIO CHART, WHICH SHOWS THE BONUSES FOR THE MIXED USE PROJECT HAS WITH NO RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEN IT HAS, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL BY ITSELF.
IT HAS, UM, WITH ONE ADDITIONAL USE AND THEN WITH AND WITHOUT RESIDENTIAL AS IT
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GOES AND ADDS ADDITIONAL USES.SO IN THAT CASE, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING AS TO WHETHER MULTI-FAMILY IS PERMITTED WITH OR WITHOUT A MIX OF OTHER USES.
BUT ULTIMATELY THIS REQUEST IS TO PERMIT THE MULTI-FAMILY WITH NO MIX OF USES BEING ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE TO STILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT THEY SO DID CHOOSE.
SO THE F A R CHART AND ALL OF THE UM, F A R MUP BONUSES AND SUCH THAT ARE STATED IN PD THREE 16 FOR SUB AREA FOUR HAVE BEEN CARRIED OVER TO FOUR A WITH THIS REQUEST.
AND THEY ARE ALSO, UH, MAINTAINING THE TOWER SPACING, ADDITIONAL SETBACK ON THE WESTERN SIDE TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THE EFFECT OF THIS TALLER BUILDING, WHICH DOES SHARE A DIRECT PROPERTY LINE RATHER THAN BEING ACROSS AN ALLEY LIKE THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTHEAST, WHICH I MEAN FROM THE ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY TO THE WEST OF THIS SUBJECT SITE IS TO THE NORTHEAST.
SO THAT NEW MULTI-FAMILY ACROSS THE ALLEYWAY.
AND THEN, UM, THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY IS, WHAT THEY'RE REALLY ACHIEVING IS THE EXISTING DISTRICT CURRENTLY ALLOWS WITH A MIX OF, USES A MAXIMUM OF 60 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND THEY'RE SEEKING TO HAVE THE STANDARD OF 50 AND THEN WITH MIXED INCOME HOUSING BEING PROVIDED TO INCREASE IT TO UP TO A HUNDRED DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
OVERALL, A HUNDRED DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A TOTAL OF 44 DWELLING UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD PERMIT THREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WITHIN THE A M F I RANGE OF 61 TO 80, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT STANDARD FOR M B CATEGORY E AS REQUESTED.
HERE IS THE EXISTING TRACT MAP WITH THE ADDED FOUR A ON THAT CORNER LOT, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.
SO ALL OF FOUR IS ACTUALLY SEPARATED INTO TWO DIFFERENT TRACKS.
THIS SOUTHERN TRACK THAT'S LOCATED A BLOCK SOUTH OF JEFFERSON BOULEVARD AND THEN THIS NORTHERN TRACK THAT RUNS ALL ALONG SUNSET AVENUE AS IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF AM BUREN AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THE PD DOES NOT REQUIRE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN THIS REQUEST.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER UFTON, PLEASE CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SLIDE PLEASE? MS. MUNNA? MUNEZ? YES.
I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS PD THREE 16.
UM, CUZ ALTHOUGH IT'S TO THE SOUTH OF BISHOP BARTS ONE, ONE MORE SLIDE FORWARD.
THIS ONE THAT'S, YEAH, THE TABLE YOU PUT TOGETHER IS VERY HELPFUL AND I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THAT TOGETHER.
BUT, UM, I WANTED YOU TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, UM, THESE DIFFERENT SUB-DISTRICTS BECAUSE JUST TO THE NORTH HERE IS THE BISHOP BARTS PD.
SO THE NORTH OF THIS PROPERTY IS PD EIGHT 30 AND PD EIGHT 30 IS WHAT HAS CREATED ALL OF THE NEW DENSITY THAT WE'RE SEEING HAPPEN IN BISHOP ARTS, BUT THIS PD IS JUST SOUTH OF THAT.
SO TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE WHAT'S ALLOWED IN, UM, AREA ONE ALONG JEFFERSON BOULEVARD VERSUS AREA THREE AT ZANG AND 12TH VERSUS WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THIS SUBDISTRICT FOUR, WHICH IS SEPARATED INTO THE NORTH AND SOUTH AREAS.
SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE OF A COMPARISON OF ALL THE DISTRICTS WITHIN PD THREE 16? YEAH, JUST KIND OF AN OVERARCHING, UM, FRAMEWORK FOR US TO HELP UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS PD IS ACHIEVING IN THIS AREA IN GENERAL.
I THINK, UM, SINCE I DID OMIT THOSE OTHER DISTRICTS IN MY CASE REPORT, I WOULD REFER ALL COMMISSIONERS TO THE LINK ON PAGE ONE THAT TAKES YOU TO THE PD THREE 16 TEXT JUST SO THAT WE CAN FOLLOW ALONG.
AND I WOULD SAY DOING A COMPARISON OF THOSE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO RIGHT NOW ON THE SPOT.
I HADN'T REALIZED THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR.
I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT HERE.
UM, AND SO OUR PRIMARY CONCERN, UM, IS THIS NORTHERN SECTION OF, OF THE DISTRICT, WHICH IS SUB-DISTRICT FOUR.
UM, AND, AND JUST FOR SOME, FROM A QUICK OVERVIEW OF CLARITY, UH, THE HIGHEST DENSITY IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT ONE WHERE PD, UH, THE JEFFERSON BOULEVARD IS, AND THREE IS PRIMARILY A MORE COMMERCIAL AREA.
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THIS FOUR IS KIND OF A MIX BETWEEN THOSE TWO AS WE HEAD NORTH TO THE MUCH DENSER BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT, BUT IN THE SUBDISTRICT FOUR.UM, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE TO YOUR CHART SO WE CAN REALLY NARROW IN ON WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE SUBDISTRICT FOUR AND THE BISHOP ARTS PD THAT'S JUST TO THE NORTH ACROSS THE ALLEYWAY FROM THIS SPECIFIC SITE? YES, THAT SLIDE.
AND SO THE, THE EXISTING HEIGHT FOR THIS ENTIRE SUBDISTRICT FLOOR EXTENDING WEST ALONG SUNSET BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY TO, UM, WHAT STREET IS THAT? IT'S PAST LOU ELLEN, UM, ALMOST TO TYLER POLK, AND THEN TO THE EAST ALL THE WAY TO ZANG.
THAT ENTIRE AREA ALLOWS 90 FOOT IN HEIGHT BY RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S ALL WITHIN SUB AREA FOUR? CORRECT.
AND, AND SO TELL US A PLEASE, I, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT POINT THAT YOU'VE GOT HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS CHART.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU TO, TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TALKING ABOUT WHAT SUBJECT SUBDISTRICT FOUR, THE VISION THAT IT SET FORTH FOR THIS PRIMARILY RIGHT NOW, SINGLE FAMILY STREET, UM, WITH A, A MIX OF USES EXISTING ALONG IT, THE VISION FOR THAT.
TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT MIXED USE VISION THAT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT, I DO SEE THAT THE PD DOES HAVE THESE, THESE, UM, MIXED USE PROJECT CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE ESTABLISHED BY THE PD AND THEN THEY'VE GONE AS FAR AS TO REGULATE, WHICH USES SHOULD ONLY BE WITH A MIXED USE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, A MIXED USE PROJECT IS DEFINED AS EVERYTHING FROM ONE USE ALL THE WAY UP TO THREE OR MORE USES.
AND WHEN YOU START TO PROGRESS THROUGH THOSE USES IS WHEN YOU ENTER THE, UM, RANGE OF F A R THAT'S GIVEN TO THOSE USES AND ALSO THE DEVELOP THE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.
SO AS YOU START TO INCREASE THE MIX OF USES IS WHEN THEY GRANT YOU ADDITIONAL BONUSES OF F A R DENSITY AND, UM, OVERALL FLOOR AREA FOR THOSE MIXINGS.
AND IF I COULD ADD ON SO TO THAT REAL QUICK.
UM, I'M NOT IN THE HOT SEAT, SO I'M ABLE TO POKE AROUND IN, IN A PD THREE 16 A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BUT YEAH, FOR SUB AREA FOUR, UM, EACH OF THE SUB AREAS WITHIN THIS PD UH, KIND OF GIVES A CATEGORY AND THEN ALSO A PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR THOSE SUB AREAS.
SO SUB AREA FOUR, UH, IS ENVISIONED AS A MEDIUM DENSITY OFFICE SLASH MIXED USE SUB AREA.
UM, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF MEDIUM DENSITY OFFICE, MULTIFAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND BUSINESS SERVICES USES AND LIMITED RETAIL USES IN COMBINATION ON SINGLE OR CONTIGUOUS BUILDING SITES.
AND THERE'S SOME MORE TO THAT PURPOSE STATEMENT, BUT THAT'S KIND OF COVERS THE INTENDED LAND USES WITHIN THAT SUB AREA.
AND WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE INTENDED DIRECTION FOR THIS VISION AND THIS, UM, THE WAY THIS PD IS CODIFIED THE ZONING IS THAT IT'S KIND OF AN AN IN BETWEEN, UM, DENSITY FOR JEFFERSON AND BISHOP ARTS AND THE OTHER SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL AS WE LEAD BACK INTO THE MORE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS? YEAH.
LOOKING AT THOSE PURPOSE STATEMENTS FOR EACH OF THE SUB AREAS, AND THIS IS LIKE VERY
UH, WHEREAS IF YOU GO TO SUB AREA ONE THAT FRONTS ALONG JEFFERSON, I BELIEVE THAT IS ENVISIONED MORE, UH, IT'S CALLED CENTRAL AREA, UM, THAT'S ENVISIONED AS A MEDIUM DENSITY AREA.
AND THEN, UM, SUB AREA THREE YOU HAD ASKED ABOUT, UM, UH, THAT IS ENVISIONED AS A HIGH DENSITY OFFICE IN MIXED USE.
SO THE, THE DENSITY KIND OF VARIES BETWEEN EACH OF THE SUB AREAS WITHIN THE PD AND, AND, UH, SUBDISTRICT FIVE, SINCE YOU'VE GOT IT PULLED UP, IS SURE, IS REALLY MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY.
UM, IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF MF TWO, BUT IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE MORE LOWER DENSITY.
YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE PROGRESSION IN IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE STREETS AND TIE UP OTHER SERVICES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR PATIENCE AS WE WADE THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THIS ONE.
UM, A LOT OF NEW DETAILS CAME TO LIGHT TODAY.
SO IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 32 1, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN STAFF'S
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RECOMMENDED CONDI CONDITIONS AND THE FOLLOWING CHANGES THAT THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PROPERTY CONTROL OVER ANY SECTION REQUIRING MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS.THAT IN SECTION 1 0 8 2K DEVELOPMENT BONUS FOR MIXED INCOME HOUSING, THAT THIS ARTICLE APPLIED FOR A MINIMUM OF 10% INSTEAD OF FIVE FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS AVAILABLE BETWEEN 61 AND 80% OF AF A M FFI THAT FOR PARKING ON PAGE 1233.
UM, WE FOLLOW THE M I H RECOMMENDATION OF 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT, ADDING THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION OF PROVIDING ONSITE CAR SHARE AND REQUIRING 5% OF SPACES B E V READY, 10% OF SPACES BE EV CAPABLE AND ADDING WITHIN THE FRONT YARD, GROUND FLOOR PARKING MUST BE WRAPPED WITH UNITS AND FIVE FOOT GREEN SPACE.
I THINK THAT FIXES OUR CONCERNS.
YOU REFERENCED A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IS THERE A DEVELOPMENT PLAN? OH NO, THERE'S NOT.
WE'RE SO USED TO SAYING THAT, BUT THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.
YEAH, CAN I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.
UM, I'M, I'M FINDING THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE NEED FOR PARKING AND, UM, AN AMAZING WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT IN THIS VERY, VERY WALKABLE HIGH DENSITY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, AS A, AS THE PUSH PULL HERE, FOR ME PERSONALLY, I HADN'T REALIZED THAT THE INTENTION WAS TO HAVE THE GROUND FLOOR FULLY PARKED.
UM, BUT I WAS WONDERING HOW THEY WERE GONNA FIT THIS MUCH PARKING ON SITE.
SO, UM, IN, IN, IN LIEU OF, UM, POTENTIALLY HAVING A SCREENED PARKING GARAGE ALONG THE SIDEWALK, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ZERO FEET BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE SCREENING OF THE PARKING GARAGE, UM, I'D MUCH RATHER SEE THE FRONT YARD HAVE GROUND FLOOR UNITS WITH 60% OF THEM AS STATED IN THE PD CONDITIONS COMING DIRECTLY TO THE SIDEWALK, LEAVING ROOM FOR ENTRANCES TO, UM, PARKING IN THE BACK.
AND I BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THIS SITE, UM, I PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE LOOKING FOR PLACES THEY CAN LIVE WITHOUT CARS.
AND I THINK BISHOP ART'S DISTRICT IS ONE OF THE LOWER DENSITY PLACES WHERE THAT IS POSSIBLE.
UM, HAVING THAT BISHOP ART'S, UH, TROLLEY STATION, UH, ABOUT A HALF MILE WALK FROM THIS SITE AND THE ZOO STATION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M HOPING IS GONNA BE A MUCH MORE WALKABLE MILE AND A HALF THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW.
BUT NONETHELESS, IT'S A MILE AND A HALF AWAY.
UM, AND, AND I, I REALLY SEE THIS AS A HIGHLY WALKABLE NEXUS AREA, SO I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S APPROPRIATE TO FOLLOW THE M I H UM, STANDARD OF HALF 0.5 SPACES PER UNIT, ESPECIALLY IF CAR SHARE IS PROVIDED ON SITE ALONG WITH, UM, THE OTHER BIKE PARKING AMENITIES AND MICRO MOBILITY AMENITIES, UM, ALREADY CONCEDED TOO.
AND I HOPE YOU'LL FOLLOW MY MOTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER POPKIN.
I THINK LISTENING TO MANY OF US TRY TO WRESTLE WITH THIS CASE.
UM, I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M CONVINCED THAT, WELL, I GUESS BEFORE I SAY THAT WHEN YOU CAN, I HAVE A CLARIFICATION ON, YOU SAID THE SETBACKS CONTROL.
IS IT YOUR INTENT THAT THE SETBACKS ARE REMAINING AT ZERO AND 10 FOOT MAX? MM-HMM.
AND THEN, UM, REQUIRING THE FIVE FOOT GREEN SPACE TO ALLOW, UH, UH, SOME GREEN SPACE NEAR THE SIDEWALK BEFORE THE, UM, WALKUP STOOPS.
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SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER POPKIN FOR THAT.UM, I'M STILL NOT SURE I'M THERE AND PARTICULARLY CUZ I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HEARD COME OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION THIS AFTERNOON WAS THAT IF PARKING IS WHAT WAS PROHIBITING THE IDEA OF KEEPING SUNSET AS A CONTINUITY, THERE'S A REALLY STRONG BLOCK FACE THERE.
AND AGAIN, I'VE, I'M GOING FROM AERIALS, I HAVE BEEN TO BISHOP'S MANY TIMES.
I'VE ACTUALLY WALKED UP AND DOWN JEFFERSON MANY TIMES AS WELL, HAVEN'T NECESSARILY PAID ATTENTION TO THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK.
UM, BUT I COULD SEE HAVING MORE FLEXIBILITY ON BISHOP, IT, IT APPEARS THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A MUCH LOWER SETBACK.
BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY IN TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE LOWER PARKING, I THINK THERE'S A VARIETY OF REASONS WHY THAT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEN ADDING SOME OF THESE OTHER COMPONENTS, TO ME IT SPEAKS MORE STRONGLY TO ALLOWING THAT 15 FEET BEING A GREEN SPACE THAT COULD BE UTILIZED BY THOSE RESIDENTS, THAT THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF OUTDOOR AREA THAT WOULD PERHAPS BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL WALKABILITY OF THE AREA AS WELL AS BEING AN AMENITY FOR THE RESIDENTS, UM, ONSITE AS A PART OF THIS.
SO I, I'M, I THINK I FOLLOWED MOST OF WHAT CAME IN THERE.
UM, BUT I JUST, I DON'T THINK FOR, YOU KNOW, BASED ON TODAY'S DISCUSSION THAT THAT I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
COMMISSURE HOUSEWRIGHT, I SAID IT IN CLARIFICATION.
I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT THE 0.5 SPACES OF THE, THE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PARKING THING, THAT'S A MINIMUM, NOT A MAXIMUM.
AND THE, THE PROJECT TO THE NORTH OF THIS IS PARKED AT ONE PER UNIT COMMISSIONER STANDARD.
I'D WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING TOO, BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT IF WE DO THE 0.5 PER UNIT PARKING, YOU WANT TO UTILIZE, INSTEAD OF PUSHING BACK AND DOING THE 15 FOOT SETBACK, YOU WANNA UTILIZE THE REST OF IT TO HAVE STREET LEVEL ENTRANCES AND APARTMENTS TO FILL UP THAT OTHER PARKING, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? ESSENTIALLY IN, IN LIEU OF A 15 FOOT SETBACK, ESSENTIALLY ADDING UNITS ALONG THE STREET THERE, OAK OKAY.
AND SO THEN YOU'D HAVE, AND ARE YOU SAYING, SO INSTEAD OF ZERO TO 10, YOU'RE SAYING THERE WOULD BE A FIVE FOOT BUFFER, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? FROM THE SIDEWALK? SO THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ESTABLISHING FIVE FEET AROUND MM-HMM.
UM, SO A LITTLE THING, THE, I DO FREQUENT THAT AREA A LOT.
UM, I FREQUENT CHARCO BOILER A LOT, AND I COME OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT THAT FACES THIS ACTUAL LOT.
UM, AND CHARCO BOILER GETS PACKED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAYTIME WITH CARS AND, UH, I THINK HALF OF THE CITY OF DALLAS EATS THERE FOR LUNCH SOMETIMES.
UM, BUT SO I, I DO KNOW, AND I, I BELIEVE SUNSET CAN HANDLE THE TRAFFIC.
I DON'T THINK THE TRAFFIC WOULD BE THE ISSUE.
I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEIGHBORS, UM, ESPECIALLY THE HOUSE DIRECTLY NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY.
EVEN IF YOU PULL IT UP NOW ON THE MAP, SOMEONE HAS MATERIAL LEANING AGAINST HIS FENCE OR HER FENCE OR WHOEVER IT IS, HIS FENCE.
UM, SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WORRY ME, UM, ABOUT THE CASE, BUT I THINK YOU ARE A BETTER NEIGHBOR THAN EXISTS THERE.
THAT'S IT, COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER.
AND, UM, I WON'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUE IS IMPORTANT TO ME ON SUNSET.
UM, SO I DON'T WANNA SEE THE, UM, SETBACK REDUCED THERE.
I COULD LIVE WITH A REDUCED SETBACK ON BISHOP, BUT I, I EQUALLY, EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A DEVELOPER HERE SAYING THAT, HI, HE WANTS TO PUT IN ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT.
HE FEELS THAT IS THE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO BASED ON, YOU KNOW, HIS EXPERIENCE WITH BUILDING IN THE AREA.
AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF US WHO'VE HAD INEXPERIENCE WITH BISHOP ARTS AT ALL? NO, THERE'S REALLY NO, I MEAN, IT'S PACKED.
UH, BUILDING A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO PUSH PARKING OUT ONTO THE STREETS IS, IS JUST NOT WHAT HE'S WANTING TO DO.
I DON'T THINK WHAT ANY OF US WANT TO DO.
AND, UM, REDUCING IT TO A MINIMUM OF 0.5 WHEN HE'S TELLING US THAT HE WANTS TO BUILD ONE.
I I JUST DON'T THINK HE'S GETTING US WHERE WE WANT TO GO.
SO, I'M SORRY, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT.
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I TOO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.UH, I THINK THE CONCEPT OF RELAXING BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AS AN M I H INCENTIVE IS A VERY DANGEROUS ONE AND A VERY BAD PRECEDENT.
UH, WHEN PEOPLE EXPERIENCE THE EFFECTS OF A NEIGHBORING PROJECT, AND IN PARTICULAR WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE THE BLOCK FACE DISCONTINUITY THAT THIS PROJECT CONTEMPLATES, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE WHO WOULD SAY, WELL, I LIVE NEXT TO A BUILDING THAT JUTS OUT 10 FEET FURTHER FORWARD THAN MY HOUSE DOES.
I THINK OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF DALLAS FROM LAND USE ADJACENCY PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS MI PARTICULAR FORM OF IH BONUS DOES THAT.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, RARELY DO I GO AGAINST A COMMISSIONER IN THEIR OWN DISTRICT, BUT I DO NOT THINK I CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR THE SAME REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG AND COMMISSIONER, UH, CARPENTER AND AND PERHAPS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAVE STATED.
I MEAN, WE JUST SPENT THE LAST HOUR WATCHING THESE PEOPLE MAKE IT UP ON THE FLY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DO LAND USE.
I I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO AND CAN'T DO, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE NEIGHBORS.
AND EVEN THOUGH I'VE REALLY LIKED SOME OF THE CONCEPTS THAT COMMISSIONER POP CAN INCLUDED IN EMOTION UNTIL THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT TOOK PEN TO PAPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THESE CONCEPTS WORK, I WOULD DESCRIBE THIS PLAN AS HALF BAKED AT BEST.
AND SO, I MEAN, I COULD SUPPORT EMOTION TO HOLD AND GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY SIT AND THINK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE APPLICANT CAN DO.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY I LIKE THE PROJECT.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF DOING THESE APARTMENTS AT THIS LOCATION.
I REALLY SUPPORT THIS APPLICANT'S COMMITMENT TO MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND BEING CREATIVE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO.
BUT I WANNA WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE APPROVING ZONING AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS TYPE OF DENSITY IN A, A PLACE THAT IS ALREADY PRETTY DENSELY DEVELOPED, THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING PROBLEMS FOR SURROUNDING PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY INVESTED AND STARTED TO BUILD THEIR LIVES THERE.
AND I HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.
I THINK THAT I, I I'M GONNA AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO, UH, NOT APPROVE IT.
UM, BUT JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET EVERYTHING COVERED, UM, A PROJECT LIKE THIS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD REJECT IT TOTALLY RIGHT OUT AND JUST CLOSE IT.
WE CAN ALWAYS IT BECAUSE THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO BUILD UPON IT THAT WE CAN UM, WE CAN ACTUALLY HOLD IT UP ON THE ADVISEMENT.
I THINK IT JUST WILL SOUND BETTER CUZ WE'VE BEEN, WHAT WE DID WAS ASK A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND AN HOUR, THE APPLICANT AND ALSO THE COMMISSIONER HAS COME UP WITH SOME GREAT IDEAS AND LET'S JUST SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER INSTEAD OF CLOSING IT ALL THE WAY OUT.
COMMISSIONER TREADRIGHT, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONERS, UH, KINGSTON AND WHEELER.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD IDEAS.
I, BUT I I THINK IT'S WORTH PUTTING PENCIL TO PAPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER CAN DO A PLAN THAT THAT WORKS.
UM, SO I, AT THIS POINT, I THINK THE BEST THING IN MY OPINION WOULD BE TO HOLD, I'M COMING TO THE SAME AGREEMENT THAT, UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE PUSH AND PULL BETWEEN THE 15 FOOT SETBACK AND THE CONTINUITY ALONG SUNSET, ALONG WITH, UH, THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING A, UH, GARAGE FACADE NEXT TO THAT 15 FOOT SETBACK IS STILL AN UNSOLVED, UH, CONUNDRUM IN MY MIND.
UH, THAT WOULDN'T ADD TO THE WALKABILITY OF THE, THE AREA, UH, EVEN GIVEN THE REST OF THESE, UH, GREAT COMPONENTS.
SO I I I AGREE THAT HOLDING THIS OVER, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO REACH SOME BETTER, UM, SOLUTIONS HERE TO THESE SPECIFIC ISSUES.
TO WHAT DATE? COMMISSIONER POPKIN.
YOU'D BE WITHDRAWN ON THE MOTION AND YOU WANT TO HOLD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN TO WHAT DATE? I THINK GENERALLY A MONTH GIVES US ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE REAL CHANGES IN, HAVE THEM CIRCULATED BEFORE THE MEETING.
OKAY, SO WOULD THAT BE MAY 18TH? THE 18TH? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER POPKIN TO HOLD THE MO THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT, KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN UNTIL MAY 18TH.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
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ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.WE HAVE ONE ZONING CASE LEFT AND THEN, UH, THE SUBDIVISION DOCKET, WHICH TENDS TO MOVE FASTER.
WE COULD TAKE A, UH, PARDON ME.
WHO'S THAT? UH, ONE'S GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
SO WE COULD TAKE A DINNER BREAK NOW 30 MINUTES AND EAT AND THEN COME BACK AND FINISH UP.
OR WE CAN POWER THROUGH AND THEN EAT.
ANYBODY HAVE A GO? READY? LET'S GO.
I HEAR THAT WE'RE, WE'RE POWERING THROUGH.
MR. PEPE, WE'RE READY SIR, FOR YOU.
I'M FINE TO MOVE FORWARD AS WELL.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO Z 212 324 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA WITH ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FIVE WITHIN PLAIN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 2 98, THE BRYAN AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTH CORNER OF GOOD LAMER EXPRESSWAY IN SWISS AVENUE.
THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FROM THE MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, PRIMARILY RELATED TO DEFINITIONS, SETBACKS, LOCK COVERAGE, FLOOR AREA RATIO, UH, PARKING, LANDSCAPING DESIGN STANDARDS, AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING TO DEVELOP THIS SIGN WITH MULTI-FAMILY AND RETAIL USES.
AREA OF REQUEST IS 0.0 6 42 ACRES.
IT'S LOCATED JUST EAST OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS IS A AERIAL IMAGE OF THE SITE.
THERE'S A BUILDING, UH, THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW.
UM, DEEP ELM DART STATION IS COUNTY CORNER TO IT.
UM, LATINO CULTURAL CENTER IS ON THE SAME BLOCK AS THIS JUST FOR REFERENCE.
SO TO THE NORTHEAST THERE'S MEDICAL CLINIC, UH, TO THE NORTH THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY.
THERE'S AN OFFICE TO THE NORTHWEST.
UH, DARK GREEN LINE STATION IS TO THE WEST SOUTHWEST, MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS TO THE SOUTH ACROSS GOOD LAMER IN THE DART AND TO THE EAST THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY AND A PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUB OR AREA.
AND GENERALLY, UM, NORTHEAST IS, UM, PD 2 98, MOSTLY SUB AREA FIVE AND EVERYTHING TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST IS CA TWO CENTRAL AREA DOWNTOWN ZONING.
UM, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPS WITHIN A VACANT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE IN A ZONE SUB AREA FIVE WITHIN PD 2 98.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO REDEVELOP THE SITE WITH A MIXED USE COMPLEX THAT INCLUDES RESIDENTIAL AND GROUND FLOOR RETAIL USES.
THE SUB-DISTRICT WOULD DEFINE A SPECIAL PROJECT TO, EXCUSE ME, TO, TO TIE CHANGES TO THE SUB-DISTRICT WITH THE PROVISION OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
THE EXISTING SUB AREA, FIVE ALONG NORTH GOOD LAMER EXPRESSWAY AND I 3 45 IS GENERALLY A COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS NOT MODIFYING THE ALLOWABLE USES OF SUB AREA FIVE.
UM, INSTEAD THEY PROPOSE A SUB AREA WITH ALL THE USES OF SUB AREA FIVE PLUS THE NEWLY DEFINED USE OF MICRO USES UNITS.
THE NEW SUB-DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW FOR INCREASED FLOOR AREA RATIO, UH, PROPOSES URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS SUCH AS INCREASED SIDEWALK WIDTHS, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, ENHANCED PEANS AND OPEN SPACE.
SO HERE'S THE INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
UM, I'M ON GOOD LAMER RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS IS LOOKING NORTHWEST UP.
GOOD LAMER DART RAIL ON OUR LEFT DOWNTOWN ON OUR LEFT.
AND THEN THE, UH, VACANT BUILDING ON OUR RIGHT FRAME.
SO FLIP FLIPPING AROUND, I'M ON THE CORNER OF THIS SIGN LOOKING AT THE DART STATION, UH, LOOKING AT GOOD LAMER AND THE EPIC, UH, DALUM DEVELOPMENT AND OF DOWNTOWN.
UM, THEN THIS IS ACTUALLY ACROSS SWISS AVENUE LOOKING NORTH.
SO THIS IS THE, UH, COMMERCIAL MEDICAL CLINIC TO THE NORTHEAST OF THIS SITE AS IT'S BUILT OUT NOW.
AND THEN THIS IS BACK, BACK ON THE SITE AT THE CORNER OF GOOD LAMER AND SWISS LOOKING SOUTHWEST AT DART STATION AND THE EPIC.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESTAURANTS THERE IN THE FOREGROUND AND FLIPPING AROUND, LOOKING KIND OF KIND OF EAST.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PRIVATE RECREATION CENTER, CLUBBER AREA, UM, SOME UNDEVELOPED SPACE.
AND THEN THE, UH, TRAVELING MAN STATUE.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE IN RELATION TO DEEP LM STATION.
SO THIS IS FROM THE PLATFORM AND THIS IS OUR SITE.
SO DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS IT IS PROPOSED.
UM, KIND OF CALLS FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND TRYING TO SAY WHAT THINK WHAT ELSE TO POINT OUT, BUT THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
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A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.UH, BUT YEAH, IT, IT IS, UH, GENERALLY DESIGNED THAT HAS, UH, THE PODIUM AND THEN SET BACK A BIT MORE IS THE, UM, THE TALLER PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
AS FOR LANDSCAPE PLAN, HERE'S OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
LARGE TREES ALONG THE STREET AND OTHER PLANTINGS ALONG THE STREET.
A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS BEST WE CAN.
UM, AS FOR OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE ARE MODIFYING, UM, PD SUB FIVE, PD 2 98, UM, MAIN MODIFICATIONS, UM, THEY CHANGED THEIR, THEIR FRONT SETBACK OR THEIR MAXIMUM SETBACK, UM, TO 30 FEET.
UM, DOWN AT THE GRADE LEVEL AT THE PEDESTRIAN REALM LEVEL.
UM, THEY HAVE A MINIMUM OF ZERO, UM, AT THE FRONT AND THERE'S NO MAX ABOVE 60 FOOT IN HEIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE PE KIND OF PEDESTRIAN REALM OF, UH, OF EXPERIENCE.
AND THEN THE HEIGHT IS NOT CHANGING.
THEY, UM, AND THEN A LOT COVERAGE.
UM, THEY ARE LIMITING THEMSELVES A 55 FOOT ABOVE THAT 70 FEET, SO IT KIND OF SETS THE BUILDING BACK.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, THEY'RE PLANNING TO COMPLY WITH FOUR POINT 1107 WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS.
UM, WE ARE STATED IN THE PD AND THEN THE USES ARE REMAINING THE SAME EXCEPT THEY'RE DEFINING AND ADDING THE USE OF MICRO UNITS AND JUST TO RUN THROUGH THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, THERE WERE SOME CHANGES FROM THE DOCKET AND I THINK THE DESIGN STANDARDS MIGHT BE COVERED LATER IN THAT, OR THE, THE ADDITIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS WILL BE COVERED LATER IN THAT.
BUT TO START, UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE ONES FROM FOUR POINT 1107.
UM, THE MIXING INCOME HOUSING DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALREADY TODAY, UM, NO FRONT YARD FENCING OR ACTUALLY IT'S A LIMIT ON FRONT YARD FENCING AND MULTIFAMILY.
UM, MINIMUM TRANSPARENCY, PEDESTRIAN SCALE LINING.
UM, 10 FOOT ON OBSTRUCT SIDEWALK ON GOOD LAMER.
UM, 9% OPEN SPACE AND GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NOT IN FOUR POINT 1107, BUT THEY HAVE CALLED FOR MINIMUM 3000 SQUARE FOOT GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL ACCESS OFF A GOOD LAMER, UM, MAXIMUM PARKING OF 1.5 SPACES PER UNIT STRUCTURE PARKING 25% BELOW GRADE AND SCREENING FOR THE ABOVE GROUND PARKING, UM, AND MICRO MOBILITY CHARGING AND PARKING.
SO AFTER THE DOCK HIT, UM, WE DID DISTRIBUTE SOME CHANGES BUT THIS SUMMARY SHOULD COVER ALL OF THEM.
UM, THEY ADDED LANGUAGE ON NATIVE WATERWISE PLANNING TO CREATE HABITAT FOR POLLINATING INSECTS AND BE, AND BE MAINTAINED ACCORDINGLY.
UH, CLARIFIED A MINIMUM OF 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF SURFACE AREA FOR SOLAR PANEL COVERAGE.
UM, I THINK THERE JUST WASN'T A SQUARE FOOTAGE MINIMUM BEFORE IN THE PREVIOUS DRAFT, AND I'LL ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT MIXING INCOME IN A SECOND.
BUT THEY ALTERED THEIR MIX INCOME COMPONENT PERCENTAGES AND AMM FFI LEVELS.
I'LL ACTUALLY GO INTO MORE DETAIL IN A MOMENT, BUT THEY DID MODIFY THAT IN THE RECENT DRAFT.
UM, THEY ADDED LANGUAGE NOTING THAT PEDESTRIAN ENTRANCE WILL BE L MUST BE LOCATED AT GROUND LEVEL ON SWISS, IN ADDITION TO THE RETAIL ON GOOD LAMER.
UM, INCREASING A MINIMUM, UH, NUMBER OF MEDIUM OR LARGE TREES, UH, ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, NOT ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, BUT TO BE REQUIRED IN THE CONDITIONS FROM FIVE TO SIX IN THAT MATCHES THE LANDSCAPE LINE.
UH, CLARIFYING GARAGE GLADING LANGUAGE TO BE READ CLEARLY THAT ALL ABOVE GRADE GARAGE LEVELS NOT LINED BY DWELLING UNITS WILL BE SCREENED WITH ARCHITECTURAL SCREENING.
ADDING A LIMIT OF ONE ATTACHED SIGN ABOVE 70 FEET THAT MAY ONLY BE ELIMINATED BY LIGHTING DIRECTED AT THE BUILDING AND ADDED NOISE ATTENUATION STANDARDS AND MEASURES FOR DWELLING UNITS DUE TO DART LINE PROXIMITY.
UM, JUST BREAK DOWN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BIT.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO TIE ALL THE CHANGES IN THE SUBDISTRICT TO THE PROVISION OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
UH, THE CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED BY THE APPLICANT CALL FOR, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS BEFORE THE DOCKET CHANGED, BUT I WILL JUST STATE IT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU'VE READ IN YOUR DOCKET.
UM, 2.5% UNITS BE PROVIDED AT 61 TO 80 AND 2.5 BE PROVIDED AT 81 TO 100% OF AM F FINE.
UM, AFTER THE DOCKET THEY DID CHANGED TO 1.5 AT 51 TO 60 AND 3.5 AT 61 TO 80.
UM, SO THAT YOU'D CONSIDER THAT A LOWER, UM, A LOWER INCOME.
UH, SO MORE AFFORDABILITY BEING PROVIDED THAN IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE DRAFT.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS STILL 5% OF MIXED INCOME UNITS TO BE PROVIDED AT 51 TO 60 AM M FFI IN KEEPING THE STANDARD OF MI H D B.
THIS WOULD BE TYPICAL OF UM, ANY OTHER, UH, IT WOULD BE STANDARD RECOMMENDATION
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AND, AND ACTUALLY REQUIREMENT FOR ANYTHING.ANYONE ELSE USING M I H D B IN THE AREA? UM, BECAUSE OF THAT C M V A CATEGORY THAT THE AREA'S IN, AND JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE, STATE OF UNIT COUNT IS 354 MAY VARY A LITTLE BIT, BUT 5% IS 18 UNITS.
AND SO 2.5 AND 2.5 IS NINE UNITS AT EACH OF THOSE BANDS.
AND THEN ON THE REVISED REQUEST, THAT'S SIX AT THE LOWEST BAND AND 13 AT THE MIDDLE BAND.
SO MOVING ALONG, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I NOTICED THERE'S A, UM, UM, AN H OVERLAY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.
UM, WAS THAT ANY, COULD YOU SPEAK TO HOW STAFF REVIEWED THAT IN LIGHT OF THIS REQUEST? WHICH OVERLAY? HISTORIC DISTRICT ST.
OH, THE HISTORIC AME CHURCH OVERLAY? YES.
UH, LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL, AN INDIVIDUAL LANDMARK OVERLAY.
UM, CURRENTLY WE'RE SEPARATED FROM THAT PROPERTY.
THERE'S, IF THERE, ALTHOUGH THE SETBACK, UM, IS MINIMAL ALONG THE ALLEY THERE, UM, THERE IS AN ALLEY, UM, THAT WILL REMAIN THERE.
AND SO THEY'RE SEPARATED ADDITIONALLY FROM THAT.
UM, WE, WITHOUT A, A LARGER, UM, DISTRICT OVERLAY, UM, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T INDIVIDUAL, OR EXCUSE ME, WE CAN'T EVALUATE IT ON A, ON A STANDARDS BASIS ACROSS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.
UM, BUT THERE IT IS, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE UP AGAINST THE HISTORIC BUILDING CUZ IT IS SEPARATED BY AMONG THE, UH, ASIDE FROM THE PARKING LOT THAT ALLEYWAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, MR. PEPY, CAN YOU PLEASE READ IT INTO THE RECORD? ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FIVE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 2 98, THE BRYAN AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE NORTH CORNER NORTH GOOD LAER EXPRESSWAY AND SWISS AVENUE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
SEE THE APPLICANT IS READY TO GO.
TOMMY MAY I HAVE 500 WINSTED BUILDING REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT ON THIS REQUEST.
UH, THIS SITE IS ESSENTIALLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF DEEP ELEMENT IN DOWNTOWN AND IT'S IN THE BRYAN PLACE PD.
BUT IT IS THE CONTEXT, THE BROADER CONTEXT AND REALLY THE FUNDAMENTAL LAND USE PROPOSITION HERE IS THAT RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF DOWNTOWN WHERE YOU HAVE FAS OF 24 TO ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM US AND RIGHT ON THE DART STATION THAT A DENSE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT IS AN APPROPRIATE USE HERE.
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HERE TO REQUEST.
THE EXISTING ZONING ALLOWS OUR HEIGHTS, IT ALLOWS OUR COVERAGE, BUT OF COURSE WE NEED F A R IN ORDER TO EXECUTE THE PROJECT AS DESIGNED.
THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THAT DESIGN ARE HERE ON THIS SECTION WE'VE GOT TWO LEVELS OF BELOW GRADE PARKING.
THE PARKING THAT COMES ABOVE GRADE.
WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY TO SCREEN WITH EITHER FLOOR AREA OR ARCHITECTURAL SCREENING.
OUR PROPOSED MIXED INCOME COMPONENT IS 1.5% AT AN INCOME OF 51 TO 63 AND A HALF AT 61 TO 80.
IN ADDITION TO THAT 18 MICRO UNITS THAT WILL BE 400 SQUARE FEET OR LESS AND THEMSELVES RENT AT LEVELS AKIN TO 80% OR LESS OF AMI.
BEYOND THAT, THE FUNDAMENTAL INVESTMENT THESIS OF THIS PROJECT IS SMALLER UNITS THAT ARE HAVE LESS PARKING THAT ARE CLOSE TO TRANSIT.
SO EVEN THE MARKET RATE ONE BEDROOM UNITS WILL BE IN THE 600 TO 650 SQUARE FOOT RANGE ACHIEVING CHUNK WRENCH THAT ARE, I WOULD SAY LOWER THAN ALMOST ANY RESIDENTIAL HIGH RISE IN THE CITY.
CERTAINLY A NEWLY BUILT RESIDENTIAL HIGH RISE IN THE CITY TODAY.
WE DO HAVE SOME GROUND LEVEL ACTIVATION WITH RETAIL ON GOOD LAMER.
NOT MUCH JUST ABOUT 3000 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY APPROPRIATE IN THAT LOCATION.
UH, THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF HOW THE PROJECT WORKS.
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AND THEN THE TOWER STEP BACK.YOU SEE THE GROUND LEVEL ACTIVATION AND TRANSPARENCY ON GOOD LAMER HERE.
NOW YOU'RE JUST SORT OF LOOKING DOWN GOOD LAMER AND THIS GIVES YOU A VIEW TO THE SWISS AVENUE FRONTAGE AS WELL WHERE THE UM, UH, LEASING OFFICE WRAPS AROUND.
UH, ONE THING TO NOTE AND MAYBE THE EASIER WAY TO NOTE IT IS ON THE PLAN, BUT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S QUESTION THAT THE WHOLE PROJECT IS ORIENTED AS IT GETS TALLER.
IT GETS US FARTHER AWAY FROM THE HISTORIC PROPERTY, UH, ADJACENT TO US AND WE'RE ALSO SEPARATED BY THEIR SURFACE PARKING LOT, WHICH OBVIOUSLY SINCE IT'S A LANDMARK, IS GOING TO REMAIN THE SURFACE PARKING LOT.
THIS GIVES YOU A SENSE OF THE OVERALL SCALE OF THE TOWER AT 270 FEET, WHICH IS THE ALLOWED HEIGHT TODAY.
UH, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON ON THE SUSTAINABLE FEATURES OF THIS PROJECT.
EVERYTHING FROM EV PARKING TO HABITAT FOR POLLINATING INSECTS TO SOLAR AND WATER RECAPTURE.
AND WE THINK THE TRANSIT ORIENTATION OF THE PROJECT ITSELF IS SUSTAINABLE.
UH, THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER HANSON FOR SUGGESTED STANDARDS ON NOISE ATTENUATION WITHIN THE UNITS.
UH, NOT ONLY THE DART LINE, BUT THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ACTION SO TO SPEAK.
SO IT'S NOT A BAD PLACE TO BE SURE WE EMPLOY THOSE STANDARDS FOR FUTURE RESIDENTS.
THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO IN CONCLUSION, WE THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE AND DENSITY AT THIS LOCATION.
WE DID MEET WITH THE DEEP BELLON FOUNDATION OF THE BRYAN PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION ABOUT THIS REQUEST AND THEY HAVE NO ISSUES.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.
I THINK MY CLIENT MAY SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL AS THE STAFF.
UM, I KNOW IT'S LATE, I WAS REALLY JUST LOOKING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FOR ME AS THE CO-DEVELOPER.
UH, MY PARTNER MICHAEL PULLMAN IS ALSO HERE.
UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, SO WE ARE, UH, FAIRLY WELL PREPARED WE THINK.
UM, BUT REALLY JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER STANDARD? THIS IS JUST VERY QUICK CUZ I JUST MISSED IT SO I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SPEND MUCH TIME.
WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE UH, MICRO UNITS? I JUST MISSED HEARING IT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF Z 212 3 24, A MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, THE UM, SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN AS FOLLOWS, UM, AS BRIEFED INCLUDING THE UPDATED CONDITIONS THAT WERE CIRCULATED ON, UH, APRIL 18TH WITH THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST UNDER FOR THE PERCENTAGES UNDER THE IH PROGRAM.
UM, AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, AS THE APPLICANT SAID THIS WAS UM, UH, SUPPORTED BY THE DEEP ELUM FOUNDATION WHO HAS HAD SOME INPUT ON AT LEAST THE DESIGN ASPECT AND TRYING TO HAVE THE FIRST FEW FLOORS SORT OF, UM, MIRROR WHAT IS OR AT LEAST BLEND INTO SORT OF THE WAREHOUSE FEEL OF DEEP ELM.
EVEN THOUGH THIS IS ON THE EDGE OF DEEP ELM.
AND I KNOW THAT THIS SEEMS LIKE THIS TOWER THAT STICKS OUT OF THE GROUND TO DEEP ELM.
IT REALLY IS ON THE EDGE AND IT'S MUCH CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN THAN THE ELEVATIONS MAY SEEM IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, IT DOES PROVIDE A NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS, WHICH WE DO NEED.
IT AS A DEVELOPER POINTED OUT, A NUMBER OF THE UNITS ARE SMALLER AND IN DEEP ELM WITH THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SERVICE INDUSTRY JOBS THAT WE HAVE THAT THAT COMMUNITY DEF DESPERATELY NEEDS.
THE SMALLER UNITS AND THE MICRO UNITS ARE GONNA BE A GOOD BENEFIT FOR THAT COMMUNITY.
UM, AND THE M I H MIX THAT WE CAME UP WITH MIGHT SEEM A LITTLE ODD, BUT WHAT I REALLY STRIVE TO DO WAS COME UP WITH A NUMBER THAT THEY COULD DO THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY PUT THE UNITS IN THE PROJECT INSTEAD OF PAY THE FEE AND LIE.
BECAUSE I THINK THAT HAVING AFFORDABLE UNITS AT A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PRICE RANGES FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND HAVING THOSE UNITS BE ON THE GROUND WHEN THIS BUILDING GETS BUILT IS IMPORTANT.
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IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS PROJECT.UM, THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS PROJECT THAT I DO REALLY LIKE IS THE VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT IT MEETS THE CCAP.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT WHEN I'M WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND ONE OF THE PUSH AND PULL THAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
CUZ EVEN THOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING'S IMPORTANT, IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PROJECT LIKE THIS, IF IT'S SUSTAINABLE, THEN THAT ALSO GOES TO MEETING SOME OF THE CITY'S GOALS.
THIS PROJECT COMES IN WITH 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF SOLAR ON THE ROOF.
IT COMES IN WITH THE, UM, WATER RECAPTURE AND LOW WATER USAGE THAT, UM, WILL HELP MAKE THIS BUILDING SUSTAINABLE FOR DECADES TO COME.
THE LANDSCAPING IS ALL VERY LOW OR LOW WATER PLANTINGS NATIVE OR ADAPTIVE PLANTINGS.
AND, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT IS USING SORT OF THE NEW LANGUAGE THAT I WORKED WITH SUSAN ALVAREZ IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH THAT IS, UM, DESIGNED TO ATTRACT, UM, BIRDS AND POLLINATORS WITH A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT'S DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN THOSE HABITATS, UM, FOR THE LONG TERM INSTEAD OF, UM, YOU KNOW, REPLANTING THE PLANTS SEASONALLY AND USING THINGS LIKE HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES ON A ROTATING BASIS.
SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS BUILDING SEES THE VALUE IN THAT AND I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE GONNA SEE THE VALUE IN THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER ROOFTOP GARDENS IN DEEP ELUM THAT THE COMMUNITY VALUES AND TAKES CARE OF.
AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITY GARDENS IN DEEP ELUM THAT ARE, UM, MAINTAINED IN USING SOME OF THE SAME PROGRAMS. AND SO I HOPE THAT THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE EFFORTS THAT THE CITY'S MAKING TOWARDS THAT END.
AND I KNOW THAT IT MAY SEEM, UM, LIKE A SMALL THING, BUT OVER TIME AND WITH EACH NEW PROJECT THAT WE DO, IT STARTS TO BUILD ON IT AND IT STARTS TO BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES OUR CITY JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE SUSTAINABLE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE TO SOME OF THE YOUNGER PEOPLE AND SOME OF THE MORE DIVERSE COMMUNITIES THAT WE HOPE, UM, WHAT TO CALL OUR CITY HOME.
SO, UM, AND THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY IS I WANT TO THANK, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON BECAUSE SHE, UM, BROUGHT SOME OF HER PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE TO THIS PROJECT IN REALLY HELPING TO, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CREATING THIS SORT OF, UM, UH, PROJECT THAT IS NOT ONLY ENERGY EFFICIENT, BUT ALSO REALLY MAKES SURE THAT WE'RE CREATING SOMETHING THAT IS, UM, SOUND, IT CREATES THE TYPE OF SOUND BARRIERS WE NEED AT A LOCATION LIKE THIS.
NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO A DARK STOP, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT IS ADJACENT TO BOTTLED BLONDED AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER, UM, NIGHTCLUBS, WHICH, UM, ARE PART OF WHAT MAKES DEEP EL DEEP ELUM AND MAKES, YOU KNOW, THAT PART OF THE CITY, THE, THE VIBRANT ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT IT IS, BUT ALSO CREATES SORT OF A, UH, SOMETIMES A, A PUSH AND PULL WITH THE RESIDENTS NEARBY.
AND THIS IS A NEW RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT SORT OF ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, JUST LIKE THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT'S GONNA HAVE TO LIVE WITH NEARBY RESIDENTS.
AND SO I WANT TO THANK THE DEVELOPER AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR KIND OF BRINGING THOSE FINAL PIECES TOGETHER AND HAVING THE, THE SOUND BARRIER, UM, QUALITIES THAT THIS BUILDING'S GONNA HAVE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN ALL OF THE BUILDINGS DOWN THERE.
AND IT REALLY DOES CREATE SOME, UM, ANGST AND THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THOSE BUILDINGS AND HOPEFULLY, UM, THE VARIOUS PIECES THAT THIS DESIGN IS GONNA HAVE WILL KEEP THOSE PROBLEMS TO A MINIMUM GOING FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, I SECONDED THE MOTION AND I APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
I THINK WE HAD AT LEAST THREE CALLS ON A WEEKEND TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THIS AND WAS ABLE TO VISIT WITH, UH, MR. MANN, UM, AND APPRECIATE HIS TEAM'S, UM, ENGAGEMENT ON THIS.
I WILL SAY WHEN I LOOKED AT IT AT FIRST THREE TIMES THE DENSITY, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S NO MORE HEIGHT, BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE DENSE.
BUT I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE, UM, WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
SOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, ROSS AVENUE IS ALSO WITHIN PD 2 98 AND, YOU KNOW, IT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE MORE THAN HOW IT IS REDEVELOPING.
AND THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS.
I'M ALWAYS SENSITIVE WHEN WE START LOOKING AT WHERE IT IS MORE WE'RE GETTING UNDERGROUND PARKING, THE
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CCAP MEASURES.I THINK THE NOISE, HOPEFULLY, UM, YOU KNOW, IT DOES FULFILL, YOU KNOW, MAKE THIS COMPATIBLE WITH WHERE IT'S GOING.
AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SO ELOQUENTLY PUT IT, THEY'RE MOVING INTO ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, BUT IT'S ALSO WHERE WE NEED HOUSING AND WE NEED HOUSING THAT'S SERVING THOSE RESIDENTS IN THAT COMMUNITY.
SO I'M CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC AND GLAD TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
UH, YES, I THINK THIS PROJECT REPRESENTS TRANSIT ORIENT, TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, DONE RIGHT.
IT HAS TRUE TRANSIT ADJACENCY.
THERE'S NO FICTION THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA WALK THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE IN AUGUST TO THE TRANSIT STATION.
UH, IT INVOLVES HIGH DENSITY, BUT IT INVOLVES HIGH DENSITY IN AN AREA THAT IS DENSIFYING AND ALREADY DENSIFIED.
UH, IT HAS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY ONSITE, BUT WITHIN REACH, UH, A MIX OF USES.
AND I THINK WHEN PEOPLE SAY DALLAS NEEDS DENSITY, MY RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN DALLAS NEEDS DENSITY, BUT IT NEEDS DENSITY IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE RIGHT PLACES.
UM, I ALWAYS TRY TO USE MY HISTORY MAJOR BACKGROUND.
I DIDN'T MAJOR IN HISTORY, I'M JUST KIDDING.
BUT, UM, THAT AREA IS, IT'S ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF AWAY FROM WHAT WAS KNOWN AS BLACK DALLAS.
UM, AN AREA WHERE MY ANCESTORS WOULD'VE LIVED AND PROBABLY WALKED TO WORK IN THAT VERY BUILDING THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO TAKE OVER.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I FEEL LIKE I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE IN A AREA WHERE MY ANCESTORS WOULD'VE BEEN.
SO I HOPE YOU LOSE SLEEP AND KEEP THE PRICES THE SAME OVER THAT.
NO, JUST THANK YOU
I, I THINK THAT THIS IS, I I THINK THE REASON WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE THROUGH THIS SO QUICKLY IS BECAUSE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE.
EVERYTHING ABOUT IT'S APPROPRIATE.
IT'S WHERE PEOPLE CAN ENJOY THINGS.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THE DENSITY IS OKAY AND THE 90% LOT COVERAGE IS OKAY.
NOW, I DID FORGET THOUGH, I'M SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT, BUT I DID FORGET ONE THING TO ASK, SO I'M PUTTING IT IN MY COMMENTS, WHICH IS, AND I SEE THIS ALL THE TIME.
THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T SEE WAS A DOG PLACE TO DEFECATE BECAUSE PEOPLE COME HOME DURING THE DAY AND WANT TO GET THEIR DOGS OUT AND RUN DOWN AND LET 'EM PEE AND THEN COME BACK UP.
SO MAYBE YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT AS YOU PLAN, BUT I DO SUPPORT IT AND THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT AND I'M SO GLAD IT'S AFFORD, IT'S TRULY AFFORDABLE.
YOU KNOW, CUZ THERE'S NOT MUCH OF THAT.
THE, UH, SMART PEOPLE AROUND ME ARE TELLING ME THERE'S A DOG PARKED TWO BLOCKS NORTH OF THE SITE.
I HEAR, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
I, I REALLY THINK THIS PROJECT IS DONE RIGHT.
YOU CAN BARELY AFFORD AROUND DEEP ELM, UM, THE HOUSING MARKET AND DEEP ELM, IT SEEMED DURING COVID THEY JUST DECIDED TO JUST DOUBLE PRICES AND PEOPLE CAN'T MOVE IN.
AND TO SEE THAT, THAT IT WAS THOUGHT OF JUST NOT ALSO FOR THE WORKERS.
IF YOU WORK SOMEWHERE, YOU SHOULD BE A ABLE TO LIVE IN PROXIMITY TO IT, TO SAVE THE MONEY ON ACTUAL HAVING TO GO SOME TO DRIVE IN OR TO HAVE TO UBER IN.
THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN PROXIMITY THAT WORK FOR TIPS.
SO TO HAVE THAT MIX, UH, MIXED INCOME COMPONENT, THIS IS REALLY A, UH, A THOUGHT OUT, UH, PROJECT THAT CAN BE REALLY DUPLICATED IN, IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MIXED, UM, MIXED USE AND MIXED HOUSING.
AND ANOTHER, ANOTHER THING THAT REALLY, UM, IT SHOWS IS THAT WE OFTENTIMES WE BUILD AND DEVELOP AROUND EXISTING AREAS AND THEN THE EXISTING AREAS BECOME NON-CONFORMING.
AND THIS IS THOUGHT OF, OF HOW DO WE PROTECT THE, THE EXISTING AREA KNOWING THAT IT'S ALREADY MUSIC AND PARTING AND IT MIGHT DISRUPT THOSE NA THOSE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENTS, BUT TO BE ABLE TO PUT THOSE BUFFERS IN THAT IS DEFINITELY, THIS HAS BEEN REALLY, UH, THOUGHT OF AND I, I 100% SUPPORT THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, NURSE.
OKAY, THE MATTER OF Z 212 3 24 HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HUNT IN THE CLOSEUP OF THE HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND, UH, AS BRIEFED, AS WELL AS THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS SET TO ONE POINT A 5% AT AMI 51 TO 60, AND THREE AND A HALF PERCENT AT AMI 61 TO 80.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
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NUMBER 14 PLEASE.AN APPLICATION FOR A T THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTIES OWND AN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH FITSU AVENUE IN THE NORTHEAST LINE OF CALDWELL AVENUE, NORTH OF SOUTH HASKELL AVENUE.
SASS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, MR. MULKEY IS OUR REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE.
NO, NO, HE'S AWARE THAT THE CASE IS, THAT'S GONNA HELD HELP.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEE PLEASE.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY WHEN THIS COMES BACK, UM, IF, UH, MR. MULKEY, WE COULD, UM, ADDRESS THE QUESTION OF HOW LOT SIZE WILL BE CONSIDERED.
I THINK THAT MAY BE HELPFUL, UH, FOR THE COMMISSION AGAIN, JUST WHEN WE HEAR IT THE NEXT TIME.
IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO 12 DASH 3 47.
I AM MOVED TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS REQUEST UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL MAY 18TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE FAVOR SAY AYE.
HAVE IT? UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A QUICK ADJUSTMENT.
WE HAVE SOME MOVING PARTS AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNS NOW AND DISPOSE OF THOSE TWO MOTIONS.
GOOD AFTERNOON PLAN COMMISSION.
JASON POOLE, MANAGER DEVELOPMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.
WE HAVE THREE CAS, UH, FOR REVIEW.
THE FIRST ONE IS 23 0 2 1 5 0 0 0 3.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY CHRISTIE SMITH OF SCIENCES MANUFACTURING AND MAINTENANCE CORP FOR A 189.2 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 1818 CORSA CAN STREET ON THE SOUTHEAST ELEVATION.
THIS IS IN THE FARMER'S MARKET SIGN DISTRICT ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 3 57 SUBDISTRICT TWO A.
THE PROPOSED SIGN IS A SET OF ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS MOUNTED ON A RACEWAY AGAINST A FACADE FACING I 30 BEARING THE NAMES THE BRIDGE, THE DOSWELL PAVILION WITH TWO LOGOS.
UH, THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL APPLICABLE CODE SECTIONS.
THIS IS THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FROM THE FARMER'S MARKET SIGN DISTRICT.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THIS DIVISION IS TO PROMOTE SIGNAGE THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURE, CHARACTER AND DESIGN GUIDELINES OF THE FARMER'S MARKET PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WHILE ENCOURAGING ARTISTIC, CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE SIGNS THAT ARE REFLECTIVE OF THEMES THAT HAVE GROWN AND DEVELOPED IN THE FARMER'S MARKET AREA.
UH, HERE'S A LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
IT'S, UH, WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN INTER LOOP.
THE SITE'S APPROXIMATELY THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE SOUTHEAST OF CITY HALL, NORTH OF I 30 AND WEST OF I 3 45.
HERE IS THE LOCATION OF THE SIGN DISTRICT IN RELATION TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS AND AN AERIAL AND ZONING MAP.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT PROVIDED SIGN, LOCATION MAP.
UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN IS BEING INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH FACADE FACING I 30 AND IS TO BE THE ONLY SIGN INSTALLED ON THAT FACADE AT THIS TIME.
UH, THE SIGN OCCUPIES APPROXIMATELY 8% OR LESS THAN 8% OF THE FACADE.
AND THE SUBJECT SITE CONTAINS MULTIPLE FACADES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
AND THIS IS THE SIGN ELEVATION.
UH, THE SIGN IS 10 FOOT BY 18 FOOT, ONE INCH, UH, 189.2 SQUARE FEET.
COLORS OF RED, BLACK, AND BURGUNDY.
AND THE BACK LIGHTING IS DONE WITH WHITE L E D AND UH, RED, L E D.
HERE'S THE ATTACHMENT DETAILS AND THE PHOTOS, UM, FOR THE SITE.
THIS IS THE SOUTH FACADE WHERE THE SIGN IS TO BE MOUNTED, UH, FACING EAST AND WEST ON GRIFFIN, NORTH AND SOUTH ON ST.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT.
THERE'S THE RUBLES AND, UH, THE SIMPLY SELF STORAGE THAT WENT THROUGH SEVERAL, UH, MONTHS BACK.
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UH, BRIAN LONGCAR AND THEN, UH, THE AMELIA, BOTH STAFF AND SS D A C RECOMMEND APPROVAL.AND IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, I'LL GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? NO QUESTIONS.
UH, APPLICATION NUMBER 2 3 0 2 1 5 0 1 16 4 25 51 ELM HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED FOR 54.
UM, THE NEXT ONE IS, UH, APPLICATION NUMBER 2 3 0 2 1 7 0 0 1 14.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY SHANDA JONES OF TURNER SCIENCE SYSTEMS FOR A 17 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 1511 ELM STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
THAT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT.
WITHIN THE RETAIL A SUB-DISTRICT, UH, ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 19 SUB-DISTRICT A.
THE PROPOSED IS A 17 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT LOWER LEVEL PROJECTING SIGN ON THE FACADE FACING ELM STREET, BEARING THE NAME SWEET TOOTH HOTEL AND THE PHRASE NO VACANCY.
UH, THERE IS A LICENSE AGREEMENT IN PROCESS FOR THE SIGN AND THE CANOPY.
UH, THE CANOPY'S NOT PART OF THIS SCOPE, BUT IT IS INCLUDED IN THE LICENSE AGREEMENT AND IT DOES MEET ALL APPLICABLE CODE FOR THE DISTRICT.
UH, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR THE DISTRICT, UH, IS TO REGULATE SIGNS TO ENHANCE, PRESERVE, AND DEVELOP THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THE DOWNTOWN WHILE ADDRESSING THE DIVERSITY OF BUSINESS AND PROMOTING ITS ECONOMY.
INCLUDED, UH, OR THESE INCLUDE AESTHETIC CONSIDERED RACES TO ENSURE SIGNS ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE DISTRICT AND DO NOT OBSCURE ITS SIGNIFICANT FEATURES AND LEND THEMSELVES TO THE DEVELOPING RETAIL AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND THE PEDESTRIAN CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
UH, THESE ARE INSPIRED BY THE NEED TO MAXIMIZE EFFECTIVE ORIENTATION OF SIGNS TOWARD THE HIGH LEVEL OF WALKING PUBLIC.
UH, THE SUBJECT AREA AGAIN IS INSIDE THE INNER LOOP, UH, APPROXIMATELY ONE HALF OR YEAH, ONE HALF MILE NORTH OF CITY HALL, EAST OF AKD AND WEST OF IRVE.
HERE'S THE LOCATION OF THE DISTRICT IN RELATION TO THE OTHER SIGN DISTRICTS, THE AERIAL AND ZONING MAPS.
AND THIS IS THE SIGN LOCATION MAP PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE SIGN IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTH FACADE ALONG ELM STREET.
HERE'S, UH, AN ELEVATION AND A SITE PLAN FROM THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY AGREEMENT AND A RENDERING SHOWING THE SIGN ON THE ELEVATION AND THE DRAWING FOR THE ELEVATION SHOWING ADDITIONAL SIGNED DETAILS.
AND HERE'S THE, UH, SIGNED DETAILS.
IT IS A DOUBLE-FACED ILLUMINATED BLADE SIGN.
WE REFER TO 'EM AS PROJECTING SIGNS IN THE ORDINANCE.
UH, THE DIMENSIONS ARE FIVE FOOT BY THREE FOOT SIX, AGAIN, 17 AND A HALF SQUARE FEET.
THE COLORS ARE PINK AND WHITE AND IT'S TO BE BACK LIT BY WHITE L E D, SO ONLY THE WHITE PORTION WILL ILLUMINATE.
AND THE INTERNAL DETAILS OF THE SIGN AS WELL AS ENGINEERING HERE IS, UH, PHOTOS FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A TEMPORARY SIGN IN PLACE RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE FACING WEST AND EAST ON ELM STREET.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT.
UH, OTHER PROJECTING SIGNS, THE CAMPES AND THE MID ELM, UH, LOFT.
UH, THERE'S A 7-ELEVEN AND YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE VIDEO BOARDS THERE, THE L T V TOWER.
AND THEN, UH, I TOOK THIS PHOTO OF THE WINDOW ART DISPLAY CUZ WE DON'T GET TO SEE MANY OF THOSE.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED BY THE ORDINANCE.
IT WAS JUST A, AN EXAMPLE TO THROW IN THERE.
AND BOTH STAFF AND S S D A C RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER YOUNG? YES.
MAY I ASK WHAT, UH, THE SWEET TOOTH HOTEL? NO.
VACANCY IS, I BELIEVE THEY'RE, UH, A CANDY STORE AND ART GALLERY.
OH, I I MIGHT HAVE TO SAY, WE MIGHT JUST HAVE TO MAKE A VISIT THERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.
UH, I, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THESE QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THE PINK FACADE ITSELF IS NOT PART OF THE SIGN, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT.
WE WE'RE NOT CONSIDERING THAT SIGN.
AND SO WHAT WE MAY THINK ABOUT THE COMPATIBILITY OF THE PINK FACADE WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES REALLY ISN'T RELEVANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IT'S GREAT FOR PICTURES.
THE TEENAGERS GO AND TAKE PICTURES OF ALL THE DIFFERENT ROOMS. IT'S COLORFUL AND PRETTY.
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OKAY, WE'LL CONTINUE PLEASE.BY THE WAY, COMMISSIONERS IS GETTING HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TILL MAY 18TH.
SO THAT WILL COME OFF CONSENT.
THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM NUMBER 23 0 2 1 7 0 22.
IT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY CHRISTIE SMITH OF SIGNS MANUFACTURING CORP FOR 164 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN.
IT'S 1712 COMMERCE STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
AGAIN, THE ZONING, UH, OR THE SIGN DISTRICT FOR THE AREA IS DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT IN THE RETAIL A SUB-DISTRICT, UH, ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER SIX 19 SUB-DISTRICT C.
UH, THE PROPOSED IS AN UPPER LEVEL FLAT ATTACHED SIGN.
UH, IT IS A SET OF CHANNEL LETTERS MOUNTED, FLUSHED TO THE FACADE FACING JACKSON STREET BEARING THE NAME RESIDENCE IN BY MARRIOTT.
UH, THIS SIGN IS INTENDED TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LETTERS ON THE FACADE.
UH, THE EXISTING LOGO CABINET IS TO REMAIN ON THE FACADE.
THE PROPOSED SIGN ONE IS ONE OF THREE SIGNS ON THE SUBJECT SITE.
THE ADDITIONAL SIGNS WERE APPROVED UNDER THE DIRECTOR PROCEDURE, AND THESE SIGNS ALL MEET, UH, ALL APPLICABLE CODE FOR THE DISTRICT.
UH, THE PURPOSE STATEMENT IS THE SAME FROM THE PREVIOUS, UH, UH, CASE.
UM, AGAIN, LOCATED INSIDE THE INTER LOOP APPROX APPROXIMATELY ONE QUARTER MILE NORTH OF CITY HALL, WEST OF ST.
UH, SAME LOCATION WITHIN, UH, THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PROVISION SIGN DISTRICT IN RELATION TO THE OTHER SIGN DISTRICTS.
THE AERIAL AND ZONING MAPS HERE IS, UH, A LOCATION MAP PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
UH, THE PROPOSED SIGN ONE IS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SOUTH FACADE FACING JACKSON STREET, AND IT IS TO REPLACE THE EXISTING LETTER SET.
UH, THE SIGN THAT'S BEING INSTALLED IS, UH, EIGHT FOOT TWO AND A HALF INCHES BY 20 FOOT, ONE AND A HALF.
UH, THE AREA IS 164 SQUARE FEET OR 200 SQUARE FEET COMBINED WITH THE EXISTING LOGO.
UH, THE COLORS ARE PMS 4 25 GRAY AND ALL BACK LIGHTING IS TO BE DONE WITH WHITE L E D.
HERE IS, UH, ELEVATION DETAIL.
YOU CAN SEE THE 36 FOOT LINE, UH, MARKED FOR UPPER LEVEL, FLAT ATTACHED SIGNS AND THE ENGINEERING SHOWING ALL THE PENETRATIONS TO THE BUILDING.
HERE ARE SOME, UH, PHOTOS FROM THE SUBJECT SITE.
YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE SOUTH FACADE FOR SIGN ONE.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER SIGNS AROUND THE DISTRICT, UH, THE SANTANDER AND THE AT AND T UH, D MAGAZINE THERE.
AND THEN, UH, THE MARRIOTT ON THE OTHER SIDE, I GUESS TO THE SOUTH OF THIS BUILDING AND S S D A C AND STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, NO QUESTIONS.
UH, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THEM ALL UNDER THE RECORD? ITEM NUMBER 31, APPLICATION NUMBER 2 3 0 2 1 5 0 0 0 3 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS BY CHRISTIE SMITH OF SIGNS MANUFACTURING AND MAINTENANCE CORE FOR 189.2 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT ONE, UH, 1818 CORSA CAN STREET ON THE SOUTHEAST OF ELEVATION.
ITEM NUMBER 33, APPLICATION NUMBER 23 0 2 1 7 0 0 1 14.
AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY SHANDA JONES OF TURNER SIGN SYSTEMS FOR A 17 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 1511 ELM STREET, SUITE 100 ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
AND ITEM NUMBER 34, APPLICATION NUMBER 2 3 0 2 1 7 0 0 2 2.
AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY CHRISTIE SMITH OF SCIENCES, MANUFACTURING AND MAINTENANCE CORE FOR A 160 SQUARE FOOT.
164 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED ATTACHED SIGN AT 1712 COMMERCE STREET ON THE SOUTH ELEVATION.
CAN I ANY ADDITIONAL IN THE PD, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YEAH.
UM, AND, AND SO, UH, ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
WHEN WAS THIS PD CREATED SOMEWHERE IN THE EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, EARLY, MID, INITIALLY ADOPTED JULY OF 1989.
SO THIS ONE PREDATES THE BISHOP ARTS? I BELIEVE SO, YES.
SO EVEN, AND THIS, THIS IS ALSO A SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, MEANING THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED BY, UH, CITY INITIATED ZONING, AN AUTHORIZED HEARING.
SO THIS WAS REALLY, I WOULD IMAGINE CREATED IN RESPONSE TO SEEING THE DENSITY ALONG JEFFERSON.
BUT REGARDLESS SINCE THEN, WE HAVE ADDED
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A TROLLEY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ADDED A LOT OF DENSITY.UM, AND THIS IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THAT.
UM, IT, I, WELL, I I IMAGINE THAT'S, UH, THE PRIMARY REASON WHY THERE'S NOT ANY M IH MIS, UH, MENTIONED IN IT AND WHY WE'RE ADDING SOME M IH COMPONENTS IN THIS, UH, NEW SUB-CATEGORY.
UH, YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE LAST TIME THIS PD WAS AMENDED WAS 2002, SO LONG BEFORE THE M I H D B PROGRAM.
AND, AND SO ONE FINAL QUESTION.
WOULD, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS A DOWN ZONING SINCE THEIR HEIGHT BY RIGHT.
IS 90 FEET? UM, I'LL KICK THAT QUESTION BACK OVER TO JEN.
SHE'LL, SHE'S MORE THE EXPERT ON THE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PROPOSED.
SO SHE CAN KIND OF PROBABLY GO INTO MORE DETAIL THAN I COULD.
SO IN THIS CASE, I DON'T, I THINK THAT IT'S A TRADE OFF BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE SEEING THE PROPERTY BEING UTILIZED MORE, ALTHOUGH EVEN IF IT'S NOT AS TALL.
SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S ALSO MEETING THE VISION FOR THE AREA BY CREATING WHAT LOOKS TO BE MORE SMALLER IN SCALE, HOWEVER, IS DENSER IN NATURE AND WHILE STILL KEEPING THAT 80% LOT COVERAGE OF THE SUBDISTRICT FOUR.
AND, AND ADDING A LOT OF THE M I H DESIGN STANDARDS, IF THEY CHOOSE TO, TO TAKE THOSE ON AND ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE STANDARDS AND MORE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CLARITY ON THAT.
MS. MUNEZ, I'M GONNA TRY TO DO THIS
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE TYPICAL SETBACK IN SUB AREA FOUR IS 15 FEET.
AND WHAT'S PROPOSED FOR THIS SUBDISTRICT IS ZERO MINIMUM 10 FOOT MAX.
AND THE PROVISIONS ARE, ARE LETTING THAT GOVERN IN LIEU OF BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY.
SO IF ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS ARE, ARE SET BACK 15 FEET, THIS ONE PRESUMABLY COULD BE AS LITTLE AS FIVE OR AS MUCH AS 15 FEET IF THEY ELECT TO BUILD TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THEY'LL ACTUALLY BE REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN THAT MINMAX AREA.
AND THEN ON THE SIDE YARD, AND THIS IS WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO BACK THROUGH AND, AND SEE THERE'S, THERE'S NO REQUIRED SIDE YARD, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION ARE THEY BUILDING UP TO, OR OR ARE WE IN, AND AGAIN, I'M, UH, WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT'S HERE, BUT DO WE UNDERSTAND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO INTEGRATE WITH THE SURROUNDING LOTS? WELL, AS, AS THIS CHART IDENTIFIES, THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THAT.
SO THE EXISTING DISTRICT AND THE ABUTTING DISTRICT BOTH HAVE THE ZERO FOOT SETBACK.
SO SIDE AND REAR YARD ARE IN, ARE UNCHANGED.
IT'S REALLY JUST THE FRONT YARD.
WHICH WOULD BE THE FRONT YARD FRONTING ON BISHOP.
AND WHAT IS SUNSET TREATED AS? IS THAT A SIDE YARD FOR PURPOSES OF THIS REQUEST? NO, FRONT, IT'S A FRONT YARD.
IT'S TWO HAS THE REMAINDER OF THE LOTS ON SUNSET ARE FACING.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THAT.
SO THEN I NOTICED THAT IN THE SUB AREA THERE'S AN URBAN FORM SETBACK REQUIRED FOR STRUCTURES OVER 20 FEET AND OR 30 FEET IN HEIGHT.
YOU SET BACK AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET AND I SAW, NOW I'VE LOST IT, THAT THIS SUB AREA IS SAYING YOU SET BACK AN ADDITIONAL ONE FOOT.
WHAT HEIGHT DOES THAT SET AT? IS IT ALSO ABOVE 30 FEET? SO THEY'VE MATCHED THE TOWER SPACING FROM THE EXISTING SUB-DISTRICT FOUR.
THEY'VE CARRIED THAT OVER, BUT ONLY ON THE WESTERN SIDE.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULDN'T ALSO BE ON THE ALLEY SIDE.
THAT IS FRONTING ALONG THAT OTHER PROPERTY IN PD EIGHT 30 THAT'S NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE TOWER SPACING OR URBAN FORM SETBACK.
SO IN SHORTHAND, THE TOWER SPACING IS ONLY ON THE REAR YARD? NO, YOU'RE SAYING IT'S ONLY ON THE SIDE YARD.
AND ARE THEY STILL COMPLIANT WITH THE, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE FRONT YARD.
SO ON BISHOP AND SUNSET, DID, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO SET BACK FOR URBAN FORM? NO, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SET BACK.
THEY HAVE THE, THE TYPICAL, JUST THE MINMAX TO CONTEND WITH.
AND SO, AND THEN I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE PROVISIONS
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TALK ABOUT A 50 FOOT HEIGHT, BUT THEN A 75 FOOT HEIGHT IF YOU'RE FACING ONTO BISHOP, BUT I DON'T SEE IF THAT THERE'S A DISTANCE THAT, THAT, THAT IS TIED TO A DISTANCE.WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WELL, IN OTHER WORDS, IF, IF WE'RE SAYING THAT THE TYPICAL HEIGHT IS 50 FEET, BUT FOR IN HERE, LET ME JUST READ IT.
IT SAYS ACCEPT THIS PROVIDED IN THIS PARAGRAPH, MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT IS 50 FEET.
THEN ITEM TWO FOR LOTS FRONTING ON BISHOP AVENUE, MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT IS 75.
SO THIS WHOLE LOT IS INTENDED TO BE 75 FEET.
IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT'S OKAY.
CAN YOU READ THAT ONE MORE TIME? YOU SAID SAID IT'S WHAT AGAIN? AND IT'S ON, THIS IS UH, PAGE 1228 OF THE CASE REPORT.
IT SAYS LOTS FRONTING ON BISHOP MAXIMUM STRETCHER HEIGHT OF 75 FEET.
BUT THEN THE PROVISION ABOVE IT SAYS 50.
AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT DEMARCATION WOULD OCCUR.
SO IT SAYS, UH, WHAT I'M READING IN THE PARAGRAPH IS 50 FEET ON BISHOP AND 75 ON ZANG.
BUT DID I WRITE THAT WRONG? I WROTE IT REVERSE ON THIS CHART ON BISHOP, I'M LOOKING AT, IT SAYS FOUR STORIES.
SO I'M ON PAGE 1228 OF THE CASE REPORT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASCERTAIN.
AND, AND AGAIN, I GUESS THAT STILL KIND OF WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS WHOLE LOT CAN BE SAID FRONT IS IS THE WHOLE LOT INTENDED TO BE, OR IS IT SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE FIRST 25 FEET YOUR, WHICHEVER HEIGHT THAT IS? YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO DISTANCE ESTABLISHED.
SO I'M, I'M ACTUALLY NOT CERTAIN HOW THAT WOULD APPLY, BUT I COULD TRY TO THINK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN I THINK I, I THINK I FOLLOWED ALL THIS IN THE CASE REPORT ON THE PARKING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED STANDARD I H D B WOULD ALLOW FOR 0.5, BUT THE CONDITIONS IN THIS PD ARE DEFINING IT AS ONE SPACE PER UNIT.
SO IT'S ONE SPACE PER UNIT ARE BEING PROVIDED.
I JUST, I, I READ IT THREE TIMES AND I KEPT TALKING MYSELF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
MS. MUNOZ, THE, THE SITE CURRENTLY DOES NOT ALLOW STRAIGHT MULTI-FAMILY, CORRECT? CURRENTLY, NO.
AND THE WITH UP TO THREE USES OR AT THREE USES THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS 60 UNITS PER ACRE ON THE, AS THE ZONING IS ON THE PROPERTY NOW, CORRECT.
LET'S SEE, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
BUT THE PROPOSAL HERE IS FOR 100 UNITS PER ACRE.
THE PROPOSAL HERE IS FOR 50 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS OF GOING UP TO 100.
THE MAXIMUM WITH M I H 100 IS THAT IF THE, UH, PURPOSE STATEMENT FOR THIS SUBDISTRICT IS MEDIUM DENSITY IS 100 UNITS PER ACRE CONSIDERED MEDIUM DENSITY? I DON'T KNOW.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT TO SEE EXACTLY HOW THAT'S DEFINED.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT WE COULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION TO DEFINE WHAT MEDIUM DENSITY IS.
UM, MOVING ON TO BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY.
I'M TRYING TO THINK OF AN EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE EVER GIVEN A DISRUPTION OR BREAKING OF A BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AS AN INCENTIVE OR EVEN ALLOWED IT PERIOD.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SETBACK CHANGE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT IT IS, IS, I MEAN I HAD A A CASE JUST A MONTH AGO THAT HAD ONE AS WELL FROM WITH MIXED INCOME HOUSING, BUT IT WAS A PARKING SETBACK.
BUT AS FAR AS A STRUCTURE, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THIS WHOLE CONCEPT THAT UM, WE WOULD BREAK BLOCK FEST, BLOCK BASED CONTINUITY, UM, WHEN THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BLOCK IS AT 15 FEET AND THIS BUILDING THAT'S MUCH DENSER THAN THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS WOULD BE, UH, MUCH CLOSER TO THE STREET.
BUT THIS PROVISION, SO CURRENT CURRENTLY THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS 15 FEET, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM.
AND THIS ONE WOULD BE A MIN-MAX BETWEEN ZERO AND 10 WITH 75% OF THE FACADE WITHIN THIS AREA.
SO IT WOULD PERMIT BREAKS FOR DRIVEWAYS AND SUCH.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S, UNLESS THEY DID, YOU KNOW, ZERO ALONG THE WHOLE FRONT, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE THAT DRAMATIC IF THEY DID 10.
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ARE, YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IT IS A BREAK IN THAT, BUT ALL PDS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ESTABLISH THE SETBACK AND THAT'S WHY THAT PROVISION IN OUR CODE SECTION 51, A FOUR POINT 1105THAT'S THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING ONE.
THE OTHER ONE IS IN OUR SETBACKS IN THE PD AREA, IT STATES THAT THE PD SETS THAT AND THAT BLOCK CONTINUITY WOULD NOT APPLY IF THEY CHANGE THE SETBACK.
SO ANYTIME WE'RE LOOKING AT A PD THAT CHANGES SETBACKS, BLOCK CONTINUITY NO LONGER APPLIES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER POPKIN, I COME AROUND JUST FOR SOME MORE CLARITY ON THAT.
UM, IF IN IN THIS TABLE IT IDENTIFIES THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR EXISTING AT 15 AND PROPOSED AT 15 FOOT AND WE ESTABLISHED THAT BOTH BISHOP AND SUNSET ARE FRONT YARDS.
SO WOULDN'T THAT CONTINUE THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY AT 15 FOOT? I'M SORRY, WOULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? SURE THING.
UM, IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK PORTION OF THIS CHART, THE EXISTING IS 15 FOOT, THE PROPOSED IS 15 FOOT.
SO IT'S ONLY WITH THE M IH IT'S DOES IT CHANGE TO ZERO TO 10.
AND SO THAT WOULD APPLY TO BOTH SUNSET AND BISHOP WITH M IH COMPONENT, THEN IT CHANGES.
UM, BUT THE REST OF THE BLOCK WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK.
WELL I I JUST HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION CUZ I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THE M I H CODE SAYS WHEN YOU CHANGE IT, IT'S THE BONUS YOU'RE GETTING IS ZERO TO 10 AS OPPOSED TO ESTABLISHING 10 FEET AS THE SETBACK.
IS THAT CORRECT? MS. MUNEZ DID I, DID YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? NO, ONE MORE TIME PLEASE.
I DON'T KNOW REALLY HOW TO PHRASE IT.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THE REASON YOU'VE USED ZERO TO 10 FEET IF YOU GET THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IN THE CODE.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT THIS AND TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING WHEN WE'VE GOT BUILDINGS THAT ARE SET NEXT TO IT AND TRYING TO KEEP SOMETHING BLOCKED FACE, EVEN THOUGH I HEARD YOU THAT IN A PD, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU DO THE PD AND ASK FOR SOMETHING AND THEY DO THE MIXED INCOME, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW A BLANK BLOCKED FACE.
I HEARD YOU, BUT BEING REASONABLE ABOUT IT.
ARE WE ABLE TO GIVE THE MIXED INCOME BONUS AND ESTABLISH THAT WE NEED A 10 FOOT SETBACK OR IS IT AUTOMATICALLY THE ZERO TO 10? SO THE, THE BONUS, UM, WOULD ESSENTIALLY ESTABLISH, UM, THE KIND OF FRONT YARDS THAT WE SEE, UM, IN FORM DISTRICTS LIKE WE WERE DISCUSSING EARLIER.
UM, RATHER THAN HAVING TO MEET THE 15 FOOT MINIMUM, UM, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE WITHIN ZERO ZERO FOOT MINIMUM AND THEN A 10 FOOT MAXIMUM.
SO THEY COULDN'T BE SET BACK ANY GREATER THAN 10 FEET.
THEY WOULD NEED TO BE WITHIN THAT, UM, ZERO TO 10 FOOT FRONT YARD.
AND THEN, UM, ANOTHER PART OF WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE AS PART OF THAT BONUS IS A MINIMUM OF 75% STREET FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING, UM, WITHIN THAT ZERO TO 10 FEET AS WELL.
THE, THE QUESTION IS IF THEY DID THE ZERO FEET, I MEAN THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY THEY COULD DO ZERO FEET.
AND WHAT DOES THAT DO? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PLANNING COMMISSIONER WHERE THERE'S ALREADY THINGS, SO W WHAT I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION TO BE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT TO 10 FEET SOLID PERIOD, THE END.
I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT.
CUZ I AM CONCERNED THAT IF IT'S ZERO TO 10 AND WE'VE GOT ESTABLISHED BUILDINGS THERE, THAT THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS IF THEY WENT THAT CLOSE TO THE STREET.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, WE'RE READY TO START HEARING THIS CASE.
MS. MUNOS, CAN YOU PLEASE READ IT INTO THE RECORD? CERTAINLY.
THIS CASE IS ITEM NUMBER 12, AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE 16, THE JEFFERSON AREA
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SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SUNSET AVENUE AND BISHOP AVENUE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNOS SEAT.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND ONLINE.
ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET SUITE MEETINGHOUSE REPRESENTING J DELL PROPERTIES.
ON THIS, GONNA DO A QUICK PRESENTATION FOR YOU, MR. BALDWIN.
IF YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE, MAYBE GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO IT.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S FAINT.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE, THE, THIS IS THE, THE SITE.
IT'S, LIKE WE SAID, IT'S IN BISHOP ARCHES SOUTH OF BISHOP ARTS.
UH, THE AREA OF THE REQUEST IS IN GREEN, UH, JUST NORTH OF IT IS PD, UH, EIGHT 30 SUBDISTRICT THREE, UH, WE ARE IN PD THREE 16 SUBDISTRICT, UH, FOUR.
WANNA MAKE A SUBDISTRICT FOUR A, UH, UH, THE REQUEST IS TO KIND OF MELD THE TWO WHEN YOU, MY EXPERIENCE IS WHEN YOU DO ZONING CASES THAT IT'S THE EDGES WHERE THINGS KIND OF GET WEIRD.
AND IN THIS CASE THAT THE PROVERB JUST TO THE NORTH OF US HAS DIFFERENT BUT MORE ROBUST ZONING REGULATIONS THAN WHAT WE HAVE.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IT HAS LESS HEIGHT, BUT IT IMPOSES ADDITIONAL SETBACKS ON US ALONG THE ALLEY THAT, UH, WOULD REQUIRE 20 FOOT SETBACK ALONG THE ALLEY, WHICH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD UP TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TAKE BOTH OF THOSE DISTRICTS AND COMBINE THEM INTO ONE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS LOCATION, BEING THAT IT'S ON THE CORRIDOR BETWEEN JEFFERSON AND WEST DAVIS LEADING INTO THE BISHOP ARTS DISTRICT.
AND HERE'S THE ZONING MAP THAT SHOWS THAT, UH, THIS IS THE SITE WITH, UH, OUR, OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH.
THIS SHOWS THE ALLEY WHERE, UH, THE ALLEY'S A A NICE WIDE ALLEY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BUILT TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING TO, TO DO A SIMILAR TYPE DEVELOPMENT HERE.
UH, SO PD THREE 16, UH, MS. MUNYA SAYS A LOT OF IT.
THE INTERESTING THING IS IT WAS DONE VERY EARLY 1989.
IT WAS VERY PROGRESSIVE IN MY MIND FOR 1989.
ALLOWS FOR 90 FEET OF HEIGHT, 80% LOT COVERAGE, AND THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS 50 TO 60 12 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH BACK IN 1989 I THOUGHT WAS A VERY, UH, DENSE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE I DID NOT SEE, START SEEING, UH, 112 UNITS PER ACRE UNTIL AT LEAST 20 0 5, 20, 20 0 8.
UM, NOW JUST NORTH OF US IS PD EIGHT 30.
WHAT IS A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 50 FEET OR 75 FEET WHEN YOU FRONT ON BISHOP? NO MAXIMUM DENSITY, NO MAXIMUM F A R A HUNDRED PERCENT LOCK COVERAGE.
UH, REALLY NO SETBACKS TO SPEAK OF.
WE KNEW THAT THAT, UH, JUST ADOPTING PD EIGHT 30 WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
SO WE TOOK THAT AND SOFTENED IT TO, TO MAKE IT APPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION.
SO, UM, WE DO ABOUT BISHOP ARTS IN THE CONTINUATION OF THE CORRIDOR, UH, LEADING THERE.
UH, WE LOWER THE OVERALL HEIGHT ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE, THE SETBACKS TEND TO MIRROR WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE NORTH OF US WHILE, WHILE RESPECTING THE PROPERTY TO OUR WEST, WHICH IS INTERESTING CUZ IT'S ZONED IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT ROUTE.
UM, RESIDENTIALS NOT A USE ALLOWED AS A, AS A STANDALONE USE.
SO ALL THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE PRO ON THAT STREET ARE TECHNICALLY NON-CONFORMING USES.
UH, AND I SUSPECT THE TENT IS TO, TO REDEVELOP IT.
UH, IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED FOR OFFICE WITH SOME, SOME INDUSTRIAL, I MEAN SOME LIGHT, UH, RETAIL AND MULTI-FAMILY USES.
UH, SO THAT IS THE EXTENT OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO.
I HOPE THAT YOU THINK IT MAKES SENSE AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
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LITTLE MICROPHONE BUTTON RIGHT THERE AT THE STAND.4 22 WEST 12TH STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'M ACTUALLY THE OWNER OF PROPERTY.
THE, THE, THE PROPERTY, UH, IT SHOWS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION.
THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION ON IT THAT WE'RE JUST ALLOWING THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS BEING BUILT TO USE THAT AS A STAGING AREA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE WOULD BE, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS PER BUILDING CODE WOULD ONLY BE 44 UNITS.
THE BUILDING NEXT TO US, THE ADJACENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF MIMIC AND, AND KEEP THE BLOCK FLOWING GOING DOWN BISHOP TO CONNECTING TO JEFFERSON IS ALMOST 80 UNITS AND THEY'RE ON LIKE FIVE LOTS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE ONLY THREE LOTS AND PER, PER BUILDING CODE BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES YOU MUST HAVE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE'LL, RIGHT, WE ONLY, WE ONLY COULD GET 44 UNITS.
SO THE, THE AMOUNT HAS SHRUNK A LOT.
WE'RE TALKING REDUCED HEIGHTS BY RIGHT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BUILD 90 FEET.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE FIVE STORIES.
THE MAX, WE DON'T HAVE THIS BUILDING DEVELOPED YET, BUT THE MAX ON SOME, ON A, ON SOME SCHEMATICS IS ONLY LIKE 4, 4, 4, UM, STORIES INSTEAD OF FIVE STORIES.
SO THIS BUILDING WAS GONNA BE A MUCH SMALLER FOOTPRINT THAN ANY OF THESE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA.
AND IT TO US, IT WOULD CONNECT, IT WOULD MAKE A LOGICAL CON CONNECTION, ESPECIALLY WALKING PEDESTRIAN IN THIS AREA COMING FROM BISHOP.
AND THE NEXT BLOCK AFTER SUNSET IS JEFFERSON.
SO THIS WOULD MAKE A NICE PATHWAY.
THE REASON WHY THE SETBACKS WE'VE REQUESTED TO MIMIC TO SOME DEGREE OUR NEIGHBOR IS BECAUSE THERE ARE CERTAIN SETBACKS WE HAVE TO HAVE FROM OFF OF, UM, BISHOP AND OFF OF SUNSET DUE TO SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE BUILDING COATS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEEDED THOSE AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE ASKED FOR FROM ZERO TO 10 FEET.
BUT IN OVERALL, THE BUILDING'S A LOT SMALLER, THE HEIGHT IS A LOT SMALLER.
OBVIOUSLY OUR FOOTPRINT IS SMALLER AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER AS WELL THAN SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER POMPKIN, PLEASE.
MR. VASSI, WOULD YOU COME BACK DOWN PLEASE? OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, I HEARD YOU MENTION THAT THE DEVELOPMENT ISN'T QUITE FINALIZED YET.
DO YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU GUYS WOULD BE ABLE TO DO A 15 FOOT SETBACK ALONG SUNSET? I WOULD HATE TO COMMIT TO THAT BECAUSE I, I, IF I COULD AVOID COMMITTING TO THAT JUST BECAUSE OF, OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS, THE ARCHITECTURES HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS.
THEY ACTUALLY WANT AN ENTRANCE.
THE, THE BUILDING NEXT TO US HAS AN ENTRANCE OFF OF JEFFERSON, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME, OFF OF BISHOP.
THEY ALSO WANT US TO HAVE A, OUR MAIN ENTRANCE OFF OF BISHOP.
SO EVERYTHING IS TIED TOGETHER.
SO WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN BISHOP, YOU CAN GET INTO YOUR, INTO YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE A, UM, A, A PORT DEESE AREA RIGHT HERE.
SO THEY HAVE ALREADY TOLD US WE NEED TO MOVE OUR ENTRANCE FROM SUNSET TO BISHOP.
SO SOME OF THOSE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS COULD COME INTO FACTOR AND THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO SEE IF WE COULD HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY FOR THAT.
AND WE ALSO DON'T HAVE A W UM, WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING THE EVS, UM, AND THE, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS WE CAN, WE 10%.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING OF A SMALL UNIT, SO ALL THESE THINGS IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I WAS REMEMBERING HAVING READ SOMETHING IN THE CODE AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT QUICKLY.
UM, PERHAPS MRS. MUNOZ CAN, UH, CORRECT ME IF, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT 60% OF THE UNITS ALONG THE STREET OPEN UP TO THE STREET AND HAVE A SIDEWALK CONNECTOR? MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION FOR MR. BALDWIN.
AM I TOTALLY OFF BASE THERE? YES MA'AM.
FINDING IT? NO, NO, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ON PAGE 1229.
AND SO DOES, WOULD THAT ALLOW FOR ONE MAIN ENTRANCE THAT, UH, THEN ACCESSES
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60% OF THE UNITS? OR ARE, IS THAT REQUIRING THAT THEY, OH, HERE IT IS.AT LEAST 60% OF STREET FACING DWELLING UNITS MUST HAVE INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCES FACING THE STREET.
THE ENTRANCES MUST ACCESS THE STREET OR OPEN SPACE WITH AN IMPROVED PATH CONNECTING TO THE SIDEWALK.
DOES THAT STILL FIT WITH YOUR VISION, MR. BOSTON? YEAH, THAT, AND THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO THAT, TO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO THAT AND WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ENTRANCE OFF THE SUNSET SIDE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHY WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY ON THE SETBACKS BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE DEALING WITH TWO ENTRANCES ON A SMALL BUILDING.
THEY WANT TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION WHEN YOU'RE WALKING DOWN.
YOU CAN GET TO YOUR, TO THE, TO THE UNITS RIGHT OFF OF BISHOP AND THEN OFF OF SUNSET.
AND MOST OF SUNSET RIGHT NOW THAT ACROSS THE STREET IT'S A VACANT LOT.
THEY'RE ALSO SMALLER DUPLEXES.
AND THEN THERE'S SOME SURFACE PARKING FOR SOME RESTAURANTS THAT, UM, THAT FRONT JEFFERSON, BUT THEY HAVE A PARKING LOT IN THE BACK.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A MISMATCH IN THIS BLOCK OF THE 400 BLOCK THAT THAT IS AT BISHOP AND, UM, SUNSET.
SO THERE'S, THEY'RE EITHER, THEY'RE EITHER DUPLEXES, SURFACE PARK, THERE'S TWO OR THREE PARKING LOTS ON THIS STREET AND THEN THERE'S SOME VACANT LOTS.
WHERE AM THERE'S NO BIG PARCELS HEADED WITH THIS QUESTION IS, UM, IT APPEARS AND PERHAPS, UM, MS. MUNEZ CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT, IT APPEARS IN THIS SUBSECTION A ONE C INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES THAT, UM, 60% OF THE STREET LEVEL DWELLING UNITS ADJACENT TO A STREET MUST BE HAVE SINGLE ENTRANCES.
SO THAT WOULD APPEAR THAT BOTH SUNSET AND BISHOP WOULD BE REQUIRING 60% OF THE UNITS TO HAVE THEIR OWN ENTRANCE AND THEN THE REST OF 'EM CAN HAVE A SHARED ENTRANCE IF THEY'RE ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
IF THEY'RE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEN THE REST WOULD'VE A SHARED ENTRANCE FOR WITHOUT.
BUT IF YOU DO, BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WE GO BACK TO, I HATE TO HARP ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, BUT WHEN WE'RE ON THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WE WOULD PUT THE PARKING UNDERGROUND BUT NOT AN UNDERGROUND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE COVERED PARKING, THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO THE UNITS WOULD BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO THE UNITS WOULDN'T HAVE WALK UPS LIKE YOU HAVE SEEN SAY IN UPTOWN WHERE THE UNITS ARE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON, YOU KNOW, THREE, 400 UNITS AND YOU HAVE THREE OR FOUR, YOU HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU WALK UP TO YOUR UNIT.
SO IF THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A STOOP AND, UM, YOU COULD, YOU COULD FEASIBLY WITH THE WAY THE PD IS WRITTEN, HAVE A 10 FOOT SETBACK TO ALLOW FOR THAT STEP UP TO THAT FIRST UNIT IF YOU, IF YEAH, AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED, I GO BACK TO THAT FLEXIBILITY AND ALSO THE DOUBLE ENTRANCES THAT WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING FOR THIS SIZE BUILDING.
BUT AS YOU STATED, IF IF THE UNITS AREN'T STREET LEVEL, IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S, IF THE UNITS ARE NOT STREET LEVEL, WHICH THEY PROBABLY WON'T BE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, YOU'LL HAVE PARKING ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
YOU'LL HAVE SECOND FLOOR, THIRD FLOOR AND FOURTH FLOOR BE YOUR UNITS HYPOTHETICALLY.
UM, YOU STILL HAVE YOUR ENTRANCE, YOU STILL HAVE YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE, YOU STILL HAVE A, SOME STAIRWELLS, YOU, YOU STILL HAVE SOME BUILDING REQUIREMENTS THAT EAT UP THAT SETBACK AND THEN YOU HAD THE SAME THING ON SUNSET.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE WERE ASKING FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY, UH, SCREENING REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY, UM, STREET LEVEL PARKING IN THE PD? I'M WE GRASPING AT STRAWS HERE? THAT MUST YEAH.
AND UH, THE PD REQUIRES THAT IF THERE'S, UH, ANY PARKING'S GOTTA BE SCREENED.
SO IF THERE'S NOT UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, UH, IF THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A HALF LEVEL OF PARKING UNDERGROUND AND THEN ANOTHER HALF ABOVE THE, ANYTHING FACING THE STREET WILL HAVE TO BE COVERED WITH THE FACADE THAT MATCHES THE, THE REST OF THE BUILDING AS STATED IN THE REST OF THE PD.
UM, AS, AS STATED IN, UM, OTHER SUBDISTRICTS OR I GUESS IS, IS RELATED TO THE REST OF THIS SUBDISTRICT FOUR, CUZ I DON'T SEE IT WRITTEN IN THE SUBDISTRICT FOUR A SPECIFICATIONS NOTES TO B THERE.
IF NOT, WE CAN, WE'RE, WE'RE FINE TO ADD THAT THE PARKING, LET ME ADD THE PARKING.
LIKE IF YOU HAD A PARKING GARAGE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN OPEN GARAGE.
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GONNA BE THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.SO IT'S GONNA LOOK, IT'S GONNA LOOK AND FEEL JUST LIKE IF IT'S IT, IT'S ALL ENCLOSED.
SO IT'S NOT JUST GONNA BE, AND THAT, THAT WE'RE UNDER THAT UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD.
I DON'T SEE A, A PARKING SUBSECTION UNDER THIS, UM, FOUR A, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE COULD ADD SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE.
I THINK THAT, UM, FULFILLS MY QUESTION.
YEAH, IF WE CAN A MOMENT WE CAN ADD THE STANDARD, UH, M I H LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES BARGAIN TO BE SCREENED.
I I JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP A LITTLE BIT ON THE, THE SETBACK QUESTIONS THAT, THAT COMMISSIONER POPKIN HAD AND THAT SOME OTHER MEMBERS HAD AT, UM, THE BRIEFING.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND, IS IT MR. BOSS BOSSI? I'M SORRY, I I I'M 400 MILES AWAY, SO I MAY HAVE MISSED THE NAME OF THE, THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S ACTUALLY AT THE HORSESHOE.
UM, SO WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN YOU ANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SETBACK, THE PRIMARY CONCERN THAT I HEARD YOU IDENTIFY WAS SOME ISSUES RELATING TO THE SETBACKS ALONG, UH, BISHOP AND THEN IT KIND OF SOUNDED LIKE YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED THE SETBACKS ALONG SUNSET AT THE END.
IS THERE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU ON THE SETBACKS ON SUNSET VERSUS BISHOP? THE REASON I'M SAYING, UM, CAN YOU, THE REASON I WAS SAYING BISHOP AND SUNSET IS BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE, SOME PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY, THEY WANT US TO HAVE AN ENTRANCE ON BOTH SIDES AND BOTH IN SOME EMERGENCY STAIRWELLS ON BOTH SIDES.
SO NOT KNOWING EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA MAKE, AT ONE TIME WE WERE THINKING ABOUT JUST HAVING AN ENTRANCE ON SUNSET.
NOW THEY'VE COME AND SAID, WE WOULD LIKE TO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE ON BISHOP.
WE WANT A SECONDARY ON SUNSET.
SO THAT'S WHY I HAD MENTIONED THAT I, THAT WE REALLY NEED THE FLEXIBILITY.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE AT ZERO, ALL OF IT, BUT I, I'M NOT.
ROB DO YOU, AND I HATE TO INTERRUPT THIS ANSWER, BUT ROB, DO YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE A PROBLEM COMPLEX BEHIND US? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR SETBACKS ARE BY CHANCE? UM, THEY'RE FIVE FEET, RIGHT? THEY'RE, THEY'RE, SOME OF 'EM ARE FIVE AND THEN THEY GO TO SOME ARE, YEAH, SO WE, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THAT BALLPARK FROM S ON THE BISHOP SIDE AND ON THE SUNSET SIDE BECAUSE OF THE REQUIRED ENTRANCES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STAN? I I'M GOING TO THE SAME THING.
SORRY, I'M NOT TRYING TO NARROW AWAY.
I, I GUESS WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS THAT, AREN'T WE NOW SAYING IF BISHOP IS GOING TO BE YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE, ISN'T THAT NOW THE FRONT YARD BASICALLY, I MEAN, SHOULDN'T WE CONSIDER THAT YOUR FRONT YARD SINCE YOU MOVED YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE FROM SUNSET TO BISHOP BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THIS CORNER, YOU BASICALLY HAVE DOUBLE THE FRONTAGE.
YOU BASICALLY HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS THAT WE'RE UNLIKE SAY OUR NEIGHBOR THAT MAY ONLY HAVE, OKAY.
BECAUSE I'M ALMOST WONDERING HOW THIS COULD WORK THAT YOU COULD BE 80% LOT COVERAGE AND HAVE FIVE FEET SETBACKS.
THAT SEEMS LIKE MORE LOT COVERAGE THAN 80%.
SO, BUT WE'RE ONLY, AND THE IDEA THAT ON A CORNER OF A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE YOU'VE GOT ONLY FIVE FEET OF SETBACK.
I I KNOW YOU KEEP COMPARING IT TO THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT DOOR, BUT THEY'RE ALSO DUPLEXES GOING DOWN SUNSET.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE PARKING, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT AND THEY'RE SETBACK MORE.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE ON TWO SIDES, YOU'RE GETTING IN FIVE FEET.
I, I, THAT JUST SEEMS, IN MY OPINION, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LESS THAN A HALF ACRE.
YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A LOT OF DENSITY.
I APPRECIATE THAT AS THE APPLICANT.
BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, ONCE THIS BUILDING'S THERE, IT'S GONNA BE THERE A LONG TIME AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET GREEN SPACE AND RUNOFF AREAS AND PLACES FOR TREES TO SOFTEN IT UP.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT IDEA BASICALLY OF COVERING UP THE WHOLE LOT SO YOU CAN GET MORE DENSITY, BUT WE'VE GOT JUST A BRICK BOX.
THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO END UP WITH.
AND I'M AFRAID FOR ME THAT THAT FIVE FOOT FOOT IS JUST TOO SMALL.
I MEAN TOO NARROW, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
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I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, ARE WE, NOW YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE DEALING WITH TWO FRONT YARDS, SUNSET AND BISHOP, BASICALLY? YEAH.CAN I SPEAK TO THAT COMMISSIONER STANDARD? OKAY.
UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CONUNDRUM THAT THE DEVELOPERS FIND THEMSELVES IN.
UH, WHEN YOU'RE IN AN AREA THAT ABOVES OR AS CLOSE TO, UH, A FORM-BASED DISTRICT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS WHAT THE PD EIGHT 30 IS, UH, BECAUSE PD EIGHT 30 HAS THE ZERO TO FIVE FOOT, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FRONT YARD AND NO SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACK.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, HAVING A 15 FOOT SETBACK ALONG SUNSET WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE TODAY.
UH, BUT ALONG BISHOP IT WOULD PUT US BEHIND THE BUILDING BY, YOU KNOW, 10 FEET.
IT'S IMMEDIATELY TO OUR NORTH.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIND SOME COMMON GROUND THAT THAT WORKS ON WITH BOTH PDS.
I GUESS THERE'S ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
SO WE TALK ON ONE CASE ABOUT URBAN FORM.
WE MOVE IT UP TO THE FRONT, BUT BEFORE, WHEN WE DO URBAN FORM, AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT, I'M JUST LEARN AS I GO ALONG, BUT THEN WE'VE GOT THE, USUALLY THE THREE FOOT BUFFER WITH TREES AND THEN A BIG SIDEWALK AND THEN THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING WITH A FIVE FOOT SETBACK AS FAR AS GREEN SPACE? AS FAR AS TREES, AS FAR AS ANYTHING? WELL, WE'D STILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS.
YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALKS ARE GONNA BE SIX FEET ALONG ALL FRONTAGES THOUGH, THAT WILL BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, NOT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO IT'LL BE A CURB, A PLANTING STRIP, A SIX FOOT SIDEWALK, AND THEN MORE PLANTINGS BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING, WHATEVER THAT SETBACK ENDS UP BEING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING YOUR SETBACK, THE FIVE FEET BEGINS AT THE SIDEWALK, THE EDGE OF THE SIDEWALK? IT, IT BEGINS AT THE PROPERTY LINE AND USUALLY THE SIDEWALK AND THE PLANTING STRIP ARE IN THE, THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT AREA BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE CURB IS USUALLY WHERE THE SIDEWALK AND THE PLANTINGS GO.
SO I'M ON THE SIDEWALK AND I'M FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OR I COULD BE ZERO AWAY FROM THE BUILDING BASED ON WHAT THIS SAYS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
NOR QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS.
COMMISSIONER, PUMPKIN, PLEASE.
UM, LOOKING MORE CLOSELY AT THE, UM, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, AND MAYBE MR. BALDWIN CAN ANSWER THIS.
UM, SO FOR, FOR THE FRONT YARD SAT BACK, UM, ZERO TO 10 FOOT WITH A 75% FACADE WITHIN THIS AREA, WHAT DOES 75% FACADE MEAN EXACTLY? DOES THAT MEAN A GARAGE SCREENING OR DOES IT NEED TO BE A SOLID FACING, SOLID OR GLAZED, OR DO YOU HAVE IT MEANS IT HAS TO BE A MM-HMM.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A UNIT OR A GARAGE THAT'S COVERED WITH, WITH A FACADE THAT LOOKS, THAT MATCHES THE REST OF THE FACADE, IT CANNOT JUST BE OPEN.
THE, THE WHOLE GOAL HERE IS TO, TO SCREEN THE PARKING AND TO ALLOW FOR, UM, AREAS WHERE CARS CAN COME IN AND OUT, UH, OF THE PARKING GARAGE, BUT NOT HAVE PARKING VISIBLE FROM THE STREET TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S TUCKED BEHIND THE BUILDING.
SO THAT LEAVES 25% OF THE FACADE OR THE, THE SIDE OF THE LOT IS AVAILABLE TO, FOR EGRESS IN THE PARKING GARAGE AND, AND SETBACKS? YES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, MR. BOSS, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
I'M GONNA FOLLOW UP ONE MORE TIME ON THIS QUESTION ON SETBACKS.
SO I'M OVER HERE TRYING TO DO THE MATH AND SEE HOW THINGS LAY OUT AND I, I EVEN WENT MORE ROBUST.
UM, YOU KNOW, 30 FEET IS THE TYPICAL SCREENING THAT, UM, WE LOOK AT IN SOME OF OUR OTHER DISTRICTS.
YOU KNOW, THAT WHERE THE PARKING STARTS AND TRIED TO COME UP WITH 75%.
UM, I'M, I, IT LOOKS LIKE, AND I KEPT 15 FOOT SETBACK, ANOTHER 15 FEET FOR UNITS, THEN STARTED PARKING,
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KIND OF TRIED TO DO ALL THE MATH.AND I THINK FOR MY CASE, I'VE, I'M KINDA LOOKING AT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
IT LOOKS LIKE BISHOP GENERALLY IS PROBABLY ABOUT ZERO SETBACK, ZERO, ZERO FOOT SETBACK.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT SORT OF NORTH AND SOUTH OF WHERE, WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS? I'M BISHOP AT ZERO.
WELL, I'M ASKING, I'M LOOKING AT THE AERIAL LOOKS LIKE IT ALL WOULD SAY.
I WOULD SAY BISHOP IS IS AT, THAT'S THE WAY THEY'VE ALL BEEN JUST BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT, THE, THE WAY DEVELOPED OVER TIME.
AND SO ON SUNSET, YOU'VE GOT OLDER, UM, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THEY PROBABLY HAVE DIFFERENT USES.
NOW I THINK YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A SURFACE PARKING LOT, BUT THEY ALL SEEM TO BE SET BACK THAT 15 FEET, WHICH IS WHAT'S IN THE BASE PD.
SO IF THE FOCUS IS ON, IS ON THAT CONTINUITY, CUZ THAT'S, I THINK WHAT A LOT OF US ARE TRYING TO GET OUR MINDS AROUND IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INTENT OF THIS SEEMS TO BE WALKABLE, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT STANDARD FOR YOUR PROJECT AND ALL THE PROJECTS THAT, THAT ARE COMING.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN GET THERE AND, AND I HEAR YOU SAYING THAT PART OF YOUR CONCERN IS THE, UM, REQUIREMENT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES AND THEN THE COMMON ENTRY BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A MULTI-STORY BUILDING, BUT CAN YOU HELP ME? I CAN'T, I CAN'T GET THERE ON UNDERSTANDING WHERE THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE BY KEEPING THE 15 FOOT PRIMARILY ON SUNSET.
WELL, WHAT, ROB, DO YOU WANT TO START WITH THAT AND THEN I CAN FINISH IT? WELL, I, I AM NOT AN ARCHITECT, UH, MR. HAMPTON, AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DESIRE TO KEEP THE, THE BLOCK CONTINUITY ON, UH, YOU KNOW, SUNSET.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT IN MANY COMMISSIONER'S MIND THAN THE BLOCK CONTINUITY ALONG BISHOP, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH WHAT'S BEING BUILT NOW AND WHAT I KNOW IS COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR THE SECOND PHASE OF THE XER PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG BISHOP AT ZERO TO 5% SETBACK OR FIVE FOOT SETBACK.
UM, I, I, AGAIN GOES BACK TO NOT BEING AN ARCHITECT.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PARKING STALLS AND PARKING BAYS HAVE CERTAIN LAYOUTS AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF WE HAVE A ZERO SETBACK ALONG THE ALLEY, IF A 15 FOOT SETBACK ALONG SUNSET WILL ALLOW EVERYTHING TO LAY OUT THE WAY IT NEEDS TO.
AND JEFF, UH, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? APPRECIATE, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT EITHER, BECAUSE OF THE, AND THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, IS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE EX, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME EXTRA EV PARKING.
WE ON THE, ON THE SIDE OF SUNSET, AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS AS WELL, ALMOST THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON SUNSET RIGHT NOW, BETWEEN SUNSET ON, ON FACING, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE SIDE OF SUNSET AND BISHOP, THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MUCH OLDER.
A LOT OF 'EM ARE BEING TORN DOWN AND JUST TURNED INTO VACANT LOTS FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
THERE'S NOT ANY BIG PARCELS, BUT 15 FEET ON SUNSET COULD, COULD HAMPER THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, OF THE BUILDING CODE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I HAVE KIND OF SAID THAT THERE, IT'S A LIMITED SPACE BUILDING AND THE PARKING, WE STILL HAVE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND, AND UNDERSTOOD.
AND I, I GUESS I'M TAKING YOUR 44 UNITS AND USING THAT AS SORT OF A BASE, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVEN'T DONE YOUR PLANS YET, BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO DO SOME SIMPLE MATH.
I'M NOT COMING UP WITH WHERE THE CHALLENGE IS THERE BECAUSE WE, AT THE 44, WE HAVE TO, I, LET ME JUST GET MY PHONE CAUSE I HAD A SMALL LAYOUT ON ONE SEC.
I FLEW IN FROM, FROM A FAMILY DEATH AND SO I APOLOGIZE FOR MY, UM, WHERE WELL CONDOLENCES ON YOUR LOSS.
SO WE'RE HAVING TO BOT TO PROVIDE 53 PARKING SPACES FOR 44 UNITS.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M HESITANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY I CAN, I DON'T THINK, I KNOW 15 FEET WILL NOT WORK ON, ON SUNSET.
SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND IF, IF THE REQUIREMENT HERE IS ONE SPACE PER UNIT, AND I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU NEEDED TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL EV WHY IS THE EV NOT BUILT INTO YOUR REQUIRED PARKING? WELL, WE HAVE, WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE SPACE.
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YOU HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE.THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
JEFF, WE'RE REQUIRED ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT, YOU KNOW, UH, TECHNICALLY IF WE WENT WITH, UH, THE M A I H D, UH, WE COULD GET DOWN TO HALF A SPACE, BUT WE SPECIFICALLY PUT A PARKING REQUIREMENT IN THERE, UH, OF ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT.
WE, WE HAVE SOME, WE HAVE SOME.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT JUST LIKE YOU SAID, WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED THE BUILDING, BUT UNDERSTOOD YOU HAVE DEVELOPMENT CALLS.
I KNOW WE HAVE, WE'RE VERY BIG ON PARKING.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE NOT ENOUGH.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE WORST THING TO DO IS TO BUILD A BUILDING AND YOU HAVE WAY, YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FOR BICYCLES.
WE, AND YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA, EVERYBODY LOVES TO RIDE THEIR BIKES.
SO WE, WE HAVE SPECIAL BIKE AREAS INSIDE THE GARAGE, TAKES UP PARKING SPACES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THAT'S THE, I'M REALLY BIG ON HAVING ENOUGH SPACE WHERE YOU DON'T RUN OUTTA SPACE OR YOU GET SO TIGHT.
SO ONE FINAL POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
I MAY, I'M HEARING YOU SAY GARAGE.
SO YOU ARE BUILDING A GARAGE FOR THIS PROJECT.
WHAT WAS THAT FIRST FOR UNDERSTOOD.
SORRY, MAKING SURE THAT I'M, LET'S SAY A PARKING STRUCTURE FOR THE GROUND FLOOR.
YOU'RE NOT RAMPING UP? NO, NO, NO.
GARAGES WITHIN THE UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER PA UM, ONE QUESTION FOR MS. MUNOS.
UM, WHERE IS IT UNDER PARKING? PAGE 12 EIGHT? UH, IT READS THAT, UH, IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT THE STANDARD OFF-STREET PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY IS, IS ONE SPACE PER BEDROOM WITH A MINIMUM OF ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT, AN ADDITIONAL QUARTER SPACE FOR GUEST PARKING.
AND THEN THE PARAGRAPH BELOW SAYS, WITH TYPICAL BASED ZONING IN THE M I H D B, THE APPLICANT HAS THE OPTION TO USE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PARKING RATIO FOR MULTI-FAMILY.
THIS RATIO REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF ONE HALF SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT.
UM, IS THAT NOT INCLUDED IN THE PD OR IS THAT INCLUDED IN A, A DIFFERENT SECTION? IT IS INCLUDED IN THE PD.
AND IS IT INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE OTHERS SECTIONS THAT THIS SUBSECTION FALLS UNDERNEATH? CAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT SPECIFIED IN THE, THE NEW LANGUAGE FOR FOUR A SUBSECTION, MR. PAKIN, THAT'S ON PAGE 1233.
SO ON THERE THOUGH, ROB, SHE'S SAYING THAT IT ONLY SAYS ONE SPACE FOR DWELLING UNIT IN THE CONDITIONS.
UH, INSTEAD OF GOING TO HALF A SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDED AT LEAST ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT.
AND THAT WAS MY PRIMARY QUESTION IS WHETHER THE M I H OPTION OF OFFERING HALF A SPACE PER UNIT WAS INCLUDED IN THE P D S CONDITIONS.
SO I HAD SPOKEN TO RAW ABOUT IT AND WAS SUPPOSED TO ADD IT INTO THE PD CONDITIONS, WHICH IS WHY I INCLUDED IT IN MY REPORT, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE CONDITIONS, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING SINCE IT APPEARS THAT ONE CONSTERNATION, AT LEAST FOR MYSELF, IS THAT PROVIDING SUFFICIENT PARKING TO MEET THE REQUIRED CODE WOULD REQUIRE THAT THIS GROUND FLOOR PRIMARILY BE PARKING RATHER THAN STREET FACING UNITS WITH WALKUP, UM, AC ACCESSIBILITY AND A, I GUESS MAYBE THIS IS, WELL MAYBE THERE'S A QUESTION FOR MR. BOSSI.
UM, IF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WERE LESSENED, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN WRAPPING THE GROUND FLOOR ALONG SUNSET WITH ADDITIONAL APARTMENTS DOWN TO LIKE POINT 75 SPACE? I MEAN, I GUESS WE, MY BIGGEST THING WAS JUST TO PROVIDE
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AT LEAST ONE SPACE PER, PER DWELLING.TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND, AND I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU TOO, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE MARKET, BUT KNOWING THAT THIS IS ABOUT A HALF MILE FROM THE, THE BISHOP ARTS TROLLEY STATION, WHICH TAKES YOU INTO DOWNTOWN AND CONNECTS YOU WITH THE REST OF THE CITY.
UM, AND IT IS ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF FROM THE DART ZOO STATION IN THE, UM, UPCOMING ZOO PARK.
IT'S, IT'S A REALLY WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS WHO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE YOU CAN, QUITE FRANKLY, LIVE WITHOUT OWNING A CAR, WHICH MAKES YOUR LIFESTYLE MORE AFFORDABLE.
UM, AND IS THAT AN OPTION THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT FOR YOUR RESIDENCE? WHEN WE DID SOME SURVEYS, AND I'VE LOOKED AT ALMOST EVERY BUILDING, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THING THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID IS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO HAVE THE ENOUGH WHERE THEY CAN STORE THEIR BICYCLES IN THE COVERED AREAS IN LOCKABLE, YOU KNOW, ON THE PARKING GARAGE, WHICH BASICALLY TAKES UP TO SPACE.
THE OTHER THING WAS THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE OPTION THEY WANTED A CAR, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SUPER WALK ONE I I, MY OFFICE IS VERY, IS RIGHT THERE AND I WALK EVERYWHERE.
UM, THEY ALSO WANNA HAVE THE OPTION WITH, WITH THE CAR.
I MEAN, FOR ME, I JUST WANNA PROVIDE WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, NEEDS AND KIND OF EXPECTS AND NOT GET TOO TIGHT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TRENDS CHANGE AND THINGS IN THAT NATURE.
BUT I, I WOULD BE OPEN TO IT, BUT I, THUS FAR, THEY, EVERYBODY HAS ALWAYS HAVE, HAS DONE, HAVE, HAVE DONE, YOU KNOW, ONE PARKING SPACE PER UNIT.
QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, MAY, THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR DR.
ANDREA, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING OUR, UM, STUDY OF CITYWIDE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND CREATIVE OPTIONS TO REDUCE THE NEED OF INDIVIDUAL CAR OWNERSHIP? UM, IS THE CITY MAKING ANY MOVEMENT ON THE IDEA OF ALLOWING CAR SHARE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S AN OPTION RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE FOR CAR SHARE TO COUNT AS REDUCTION FOR PARKING, BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CODE AMENDMENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
SO THAT MAY NEED TO BE A CITYWIDE CODE AMENDMENT RATHER THAN SOMETHING SPECIFIED IN AN INDIVIDUAL PD.
I I, I BELIEVE, UM, THE CEDARS THREE 17 ALSO HAS IT.
I THINK THERE'S, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY TYPICAL METHOD TO FOR REDUCING PARKING.
YEAH, NO, YOU CAN, I MEAN ANY, ANYTHING THAT ENCOURAGES, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT.
MR. BOSSI, COULD I ASK YOU IF, IF YOU WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE PROVIDING YOUR RESIDENTS WITH EV CHARGING AND, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO, I KNOW THERE'S A, A LOT OF NEW COMPANIES STARTING THAT WANNA OFFER.
UM, OF COURSE THOSE ARE CAR SHARE OPTIONS, OPTIONS FOR THEIR RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, THOSE, THOSE WOULD THE ALL POSITIVES BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY.
WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO ONE COMPANY THAT HAS DONE A PILOT PROGRAM.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN 'EM DOWN IN BISHOP ARTS, UH, BUT ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS MAYBE AS, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE A LITTLE WAYS AWAY FROM THIS BUILDING COMING TO FRUITION, BUT YEAH, FOR SURE WE HAVE TO OFFER THOSE KIND OF THINGS TO KEEP, TO KEEP, TO KEEP PACE WITH ALL THE OTHER CITIES AS WELL.
AND I KNOW WE'RE DOING A DEVELOPMENT IN ARLINGTON RIGHT NOW, NEXT TO THE UNIVERSITY, AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH A CAR SHARE COMPANY OUT OF CALIFORNIA TO OFFER CAR SHARE TO THE RESIDENTS THERE.
SO I KNOW THOSE TECHNOLOGIES EXIST IN THOSE BUSINESSES ARE AROUND FOR SURE.
THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO QUESTION.
AND, AND WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA HAVE EXTRA, LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT EXTRA EV PARKING AS WELL BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S GOING TOWARD THAT AS WELL AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING, WE'RE BACK ON THE SUN.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING THIS PUBLIC NEGOTIATION WITH US.
UM, I I, I APPRECIATE THIS ANALYSIS OF SETBACKS AND STOOPS AND ENTRANCES IN THE TRADE OFF WITH PARKING.
LOOK DOWN THERE, THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THEY'RE TR YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DESIGNING BUILDINGS DOWN IN BISHOP ARTS, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING FOR AS MUCH GREEN AS POSSIBLE, AS MUCH WALKABILITY, WIDER SIDEWALKS THAN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE ADHERE TO.
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THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE, ARE MADE UP WHEN WE GO AND, AND PRESENT OUR PLANS.SO CERTAIN THINGS AND CERTAIN THINGS ARE CONTINUING TO CHANGE THAT WE MAY NOT KNOW TODAY.
THAT HAPPENS IN SIX MONTHS WHEN WE GO BEFORE WITH OUR BUILDING PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALWAYS EVOLVING THAT AREA TO MAKE IT A BETTER AND SAFER PLACE.
THEY, THEY JUST REDID LIGHT POLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO, AND, AND NEW AND NEW STREET PARKING IN CERTAIN AREAS.
SO THEY'RE CONTINUING TO MAKE THAT AREA, UM, A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE IN AND ATTRACT MORE RESIDENTS DOWN THERE.
I THINK THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND MR. MOORE KNOWS WHAT IT IS, BUT THE REST OF YOU DON'T.
SO I'LL REPEAT IT IN A PD SUCH AS THIS ONE THAT DOES NOT REFERENCE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, DOES BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY APPLY? COMMISSIONER YOUNG, I THINK THE, AS I THINK YOU AND I DISCUSSED, I THINK THE PD IS AN AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE FOUR AND UNLESS, BECAUSE IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE FOUR, ARTICLE FOUR DEFAULT.
BUT IF THE PD CHANGES A REQUIREMENT, THE REQUIREMENT THAT IS CHANGING THE PD CONTROLS, SO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IN THIS PD WOULD CONTROL, SO RE REGARDLESS OF BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, REGARDLESS OF BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, THE PD LANGUAGE WOULD CONTROL.
ALL RIGHT, WELL WE CAN, WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT THAT OVER A BEER SOMETIME, BUT THAT'S YOUR, YOUR RULING AND WE'LL BE JUDGED ACCORDINGLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER STANDARD? WELL, I, NO, I GUESS I DON'T.
I WAS GONNA SAY NO, THIS IS YOUR SECOND ROUND IF YOU WANT TO ASK THE, THE APPLICANT, WHY NOT? WELL, I DO WANNA ASK THE APPLICANT ONE QUESTION, AND I GUESS I'M MORE CURIOUS CUZ WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION HERE ALL THE TIME AND YES, I WANT PEOPLE WRITING DARK AND I WANT 'EM RIDING BICYCLES AND I WANT THEM DOING ALL OF THAT.
BUT IN, IN HA IN YOUR UH, BUSINESS, HAVE YOU FOUND THAT EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN BISHOP ART SORT OF AWAY FROM THE CENTRAL CITY, BUT THAT THEY HAVE A CAR BECAUSE ON THE WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT BE USING IT DURING THE WEEK, BUT THEY, ONE UNIT MIGHT WANT A, HAVE A CAR TO GO TO OTHER PLACES.
IS THAT, WHAT IS YOUR FINDINGS ON THAT? OKAY, OUR FINDINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, AND I'M, I'M USING BISHOP ARTS BECAUSE IT'S A UNIQUE PART OF THE CITY BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, IT'S SO WALKABILITY.
YOU SEE MORE BIKES AND THINGS IN THIS ENCLAVE, BUT YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT BECAUSE THE CITY OFFERS SO MANY THINGS, A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY NOT USE THAT CAR AND THAT, AND RIDE SHARING COULD BE ALSO A HUGE THING.
IF, IF, IF WE CAN GET THAT OFF THE GROUND THAT THEY DO LIKE TO HAVE A CAR.
SO ON THE WEEKENDS THEY CAN EXPERIENCE WHITE ROCK LAKE, UM, AND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.
CUZ I DON'T WANNA SEE US IN ORDER FOR YOU TO MAKE YOUR DEVELOPMENT WORK THAT WE REDUCE THE PARKING TO IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S, AND I THINK ONE PER UNIT IS REASONABLE.
IT'S NOT ONE PER BEDROOM, IT'S NOT OVER PARKING.
AND I, I HATE TO SEE US TRY TO PULL THAT AWAY AND YOU END UP WITH PEOPLE ON SUNSET AND PEOPLE COMPLAINING AND, AND, AND THAT WOULD BE THE WORST THING.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF SAYING ON IF THE ONE PER UNIT, I THINK IT'S AN IMPERATIVE THING BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE KIND OF TRENDS WE HAVE A VI A A BIG POPULATION MOVING IN AND WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.
THE WORST THING IS YOU HAVE A UNIT IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK OR YOU'RE PARKING ON THE STREET.
NOW WHAT DOES THAT JUST DO? THAT CREATES ANOTHER PROBLEMS. SO I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, IF I HAD REDUCED PARKING, WHAT WOULD THAT DO? YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER UNIT OR SOMETHING.
I, I'D RATHER HAVE THE PARKING, AMPLE PARKING FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT UNIT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR SIGNS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 31, 33 AND 34.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST PER STAFF AND S S D A C RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND A DISCUSSION, ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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YOU ALREADY READ IT IN RIGHT NUMBER 32.ITEM NUMBER 32, AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY JOSEPHINE GONZAL OR GONZALEZ OF CHANDLER SIGNS INC.
FOR A 103 AND A HALF SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED DETACHED SIGN AT 25 51 ELM STREET.
OKAY, COMMISSIONERS, NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ONE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
IN THE MATTER OF 23 2 1 5 0 0 16, I MOVE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT AND DIRECT STAFF TO RE-NOTICE FOR THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PURPOSE SIGNED DISTRICT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SUBDIVISION CASES ARE 14 ITEM ITEM 15 S TWO 12 DASH 2 28 R, ITEM 16 S 2 23 DASH 1 0 3.
ITEM 17 S 2 23 DASH 1 0 4, ITEM 18 S 2 23 DASH 1 0 5.
ITEM 19 S 2 23 DASH 1 0 6, ITEM 20 S 2 23 DASH 1 0 7.
AGENDA ITEM 22 S 2 23 DASH 1 0 9 ITEM 23 S 2 23 DASH ONE 12 ITEM 24 S 2 23 DASH ONE 13 ITEM 25 S 2 23 DASH 114, ITEM 26 S 2 23 DASH HUNDRED 15, ITEM 27 S 2 23 DASH HUNDRED 16, AND ITEM 28 S 2 23 DASH 117.
THE ABOVE CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME, AND A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? THANK YOU MR. BOARD.
BOARD, TWO QUESTIONS, TWO DIFFERENT CASES ON, UM, ITEM 19, WHICH IS IN PD 4 62.
UM, ARE THERE ANY PROVISIONS WITHIN THE PD FOR A MAXIMUM LOT SIZE? NO MA'AM.
AND ON ITEM 20, UM, WHICH IS S 2 23 DASH 1 0 7, THIS IS IN A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT, UM, IT APPEARS TO BE CREATING AN L-SHAPED LOT.
DO THE PROVISIONS OF 8.503 APPLY? UH, WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT, SO THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE SOUTHWEST, UH, AND, AND I, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA APOLOGIZE.
THE, THE PROPERTIES HERE ARE SO SMALL THAT I COULDN'T DO A ANALYSIS AND WRITE ANYTHING IN IT.
THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH WEST OF THE REQUEST IS, UH, ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET TO THE, UH, TO THE, TO THE SOUTH OUT, UH, EAST OF THE REQUEST IN, LIKE INSIDE THE L SHAPE, THERE ARE THREE SMALL PROPERTIES WHICH ARE LIKE, UH, UH, 1900 SQUARE FEET.
UH, THE PROPERTY CROSSED THE ALLEY IS 13,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND UH, SO THERE IS VARIETY OF SIZES OF PROPERTIES WITH THE, WITH THE SHAPE AND SIZE AND WIDTH AREA.
SO, UH, SECTION, UH, 51 8 0.503 WAS APPLIED AND IT COMPLIES WITH THOSE.
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AND SO, AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE, UM, THAT THE, THE LOT SIZES MAY VARY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WASN'T, I GUESS MORE EITHER RECLINE OR GENERALLY IT WAS MORE THE, THE SIZE OF IT AND OR NOT THE, THE, THE GEOMETRY OF THE PLAT THAT SEEMED ATYPICAL FOR THE AREA.THE, THE L SHAPE, PART OF THE L IS THE REMAINDER OF A LOT.
WHICH TREE? A SMALL LOT WAS CREATED.
EACH ONE OF 'EM APPROXIMATELY TWO, 2000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THEN THE, THE LONG, UH, LEG OF THE L WAS A PROPERTY THAT, UH, WAS UH, I THINK IT WAS A PLATTED LOT.
YES, I THINK THAT WAS LOT 10 AND UH, UH, THAT, THAT WAS LOT NINE AND THE PART OF LOT 10 THAT THEY COMBINED TOGETHER TO CREATE THIS, UH, TO REQUEST THIS LOT.
I THINK I NOW SEE, I THINK THE ORIGINAL, IF YOU LOOK TO THE, UM, WHAT THAT, WELL, I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT ANOMALY TO THE EAST.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN ON LIVE OAK WERE LONG, LOTS FACING ONTO LIVE OAK.
SO WHEN THE, THE LOTS, THE SMALL LOTS IN THE INSIDE OF THE L, THAT WAS ONE LONG LOT.
WHEN IT WAS SUBDIVIDED TO THEN FACE ONTO, I BELIEVE THAT'S AND NEXT, UM, OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? LET'S SEE.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS BRIEFED, UM, ITEMS 15 THROUGH 28 OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AS BRIEFED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAR FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ITEM 29 S 2 23 DASH 110 IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT A 0.450 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 17 IN CITY BLOCK 29 OVER 43 27 TO CREATE ONE NINE 9,773 SQUARE FEET LOT AND ONE 9,814 SQUARE FEET LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON DENLEY DRIVE NORTH OF METRO AVENUE.
16 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON APRIL 5TH, 2020 THIRD, 2023.
WE RECEIVED ZERO REPLIES IN, UH, OPPOSITION AND ZERO REPLIES IN FAVOR TO THIS REQUEST.
A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
MR. BBAR IS OUR REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE.
WHERE'S, WHERE'S MR. HELM? I'M AVAILABLE.
UH, WHO DO WE HAVE ON THE, THE LIST TO SPEAK NEXT? LET ME GET MY LIST.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE THAT LIST? WHAT'S THE NAME? MARY VAL.
YOU ARE ADDED TO THE PANELIST LIST.
WE GOT RAELLE OR YOU WANT, ARE YOU ONLINE? DO YOU SEE HER ONLINE? MR. HOLMES? SHE HAS BEEN ADDED.
SHE HAS NOT RESPONDING PRESENTLY.
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OKAY.ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES I DO.
FOR THE MATTER OF S 2 23 DASH ONE 10, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MATTER, UH, AS BRIEFED WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL, SUBJECT COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE OPPOSED AYE HAVE IT NUMBER 30, ITEM 30 S 2 23 DASH ONE 11 IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE FIVE LOTS RANGING SIZE FROM 13,995 SQUARE FEET TO 26,724 SQUARE FEET FROM A 1.966 ACRE TRACK OF LAND IN CITY BLOCK C OVER 87 79 ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON PRAT ROAD SOUTH OF RILEY ROAD.
A STAFF RECOMMENDS OF THE REQUEST, HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST, A STAFF RECOMMEND THAT APPROVAL BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
MR. HELM IS OUR SPEAKER ONLINE MR. AR? YES.
I BURKE I OLD BERT, I BURKE EAR.
MR. LBECK, YOU HAVE THERE WE ARE.
CAN YOU PLEASE BE GIVING YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR ME OUT.
OUR MAIN REASONING, UH, FOR NOT CONFORMING TO THE STANDARDS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING DENIED FOR IS THAT WE DON'T CONFORM TO THE LOTS AROUND US.
IS THAT IN CONFORMING TO THE LOTS AROUND US? WE WOULD BE LAND LOCKING TO BACK HALF OF OUR PROPERTY.
UM, THERE'S OUR LOTS ARE EXTREMELY LONG, UH, SO BEING ABLE TO SHRINK THOSE LOTS DOWN TO THE 150, 160 AND THE 1 0 1 OF THE PERSPECTIVE LOTS AROUND US WOULD LEAVE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 160 FEET TO 107 FEET OF PROPERTY IN THE BACK.
SO IF WE ARE UNABLE TO, UH, DO THE LOTS AS THE LOT OR CONFORM TO THE LOTS AROUND US, UH, THEN IT WOULD REGISTER.
THE UH, PROPERTY UNFLATABLE BASICALLY ARE UNDEVELOPABLE.
UM, THE OTHER AREA IS IN THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS.
WE TRIED TO CONFORM TO THE SAME WIDTH AS THE LOTS TO THE NORTH OF US WHERE WE COULD AT 52.
WE DO HAVE TWO LOTS THAT DON'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT AND IT'S THE, THE MOST SOUTHERN LOT WHICH COMES OUT THE 92.
AND THE REASONING FOR THAT IS THERE'S AN EXISTING BUILDING AT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON THAT PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE CANNOT CUT A LOT LINE THROUGH IT.
UH, I PUSHED THAT LOT LINE AS FAR AS I COULD CLOSE TO THAT BUILDING WEST, STILL GIVING IT LIKE A FIVE OR 10 FOOT, UH, SETBACK FROM THE LOT LINE.
AND THEN THE NORTH MOST LOT IS, UH, I THINK IT'S LIKE 36 FEET AND THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S LEFT OVER AFTER YOU GIVE EVERYTHING ELSE TO 52.
AND THAT'S ALSO GONNA BE A FLAG LOT.
AND JUST BY THE NATURE OF THE SHAPE OF OUR PROPERTY THAT NORTH LOT, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, UH, WILL HAVE TO BE A FLAG LOT BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF OUR PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITHIN WHAT WE CAN WHILE STILL BEING ABLE TO, UM, SUBDIVIDE THE LAND.
UH, SO I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER YOUNG PLEASE? UH, YES.
MR. BBAR WAS STAFF'S RATIONALE IN RECOMMENDING DENIAL PRIMARILY BASED ON THE UNEVEN LOT WIDTHS OR THE, UH, INCREASED LOT DEPTHS COMPARED TO THE PATTERN? BOTH SIR.
WHAT IN STAFF'S VIEW WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE PLAT OF THIS AREA THAT WOULD CONFORM TO THE PATTERN IN DEPTH? LEAVE ASIDE WITH FOR THE SECOND, PERHAPS A SHARED ACCESS DEVELOPMENT COULD BE A,
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A GOOD DESIGN FOR SOMETHING LIKE, LIKE THIS.COMMISSIONER STANDARD, UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF MAKING IT FOUR LOTS INSTEAD OF FIVE? STAFF DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT? YEAH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? CAN COMMISSIONER WHEELER, ARE WE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE APPLICANT AT OR WE NOT SURE WHY NOT? UM, IT'S UM, WHAT'S HIS NAME? WHERE ARE YOU GOING? YEAH, ABOUT THE, UH, FOUR LOTS.
UM, AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, WE BE ABLE TO
SO WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT EITHER WAY.
CAN YOU TALK INTO YOUR, YOUR MIC IS, IS REALLY LOW.
I SAID THE, THE REASONING, UH, FOR THE, UM, FIVE LOTS INSTEAD OF FOUR.
WE DID ORIGINALLY CONSIDER BOTH WAYS, UM, AND THEN WE WERE IN THE SAME BOAT AS WE ARE WITH FIVE LOTS AND THAT THE LOTS ARE STILL GONNA BE THE SAME, UH, LENGTH AND IT WILL NOT CONFORM WITH THE ORDINANCE AND THE WIDTHS OF THEM WOULD ALSO BE DIFFERENT EVEN IF WE WENT WITH FOUR LOTS, UM, DIFFERENT AREA THAN THE, THE THREE OTHER DIFFERENT SIZES THAT ARE AROUND OUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.
UH, ALSO THAT LOT THE SOUTH, YOU CAN'T GET ANY SHORTER THAN THE THAN 90 WITHOUT TEARING DOWN THE HOME THAT'S ALREADY ON THERE.
OKAY, SO, SO, UM, MR. MOHAMMED, IF HE WOULDN'T WITH THE FOUR LOTS, IF THEY, IF THAT WAS WHAT THEY HAD TO DO, WOULD THEY WOULD THEN YOU ALL, UM, RECOMMEND APPROVAL EVEN THOUGH THAT THE, THE DEPTH IS, IS THE DEPTH IS SEEMS LIKE MORE OF THE ISSUE THAN ACTUAL FOR THEM.
SO SECTION 51, A 8.503 CLEARLY SAYS LOT MUST CONFORM IN WIDTH, DEPTH AND AREA TO THE PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
OKAY, SO I'M, I'M READING IT WORD BY WORD FROM THE COURT.
SO LOOKING AT THAT, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
MR. JONES? MR. YOUNG, MAY I ASK A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT PLEASE? UH, SIR, YOUR PLA INDICATES THAT THE BUILDING IS A ONE-STORY ABANDONED BUILDING.
CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THAT BUILDING IS? DID HE HEAR YOU SIR? WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? IT LOOKS LIKE HE MAY BE.
MR I BECK, CAN YOU HEAR US, SIR? MR. IBE ECK? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HEAR US.
NO, I GUESS I CAN'T ASK HIM A QUESTION THEN.
IN THE MATTER OF S 2023 DASH 11, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR SECOND TO FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER YOUNG? JUST VERY BRIEFLY.
I'M NOT SURE I FEEL HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE DEPTH ISSUE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS THAT WERE NOT EXPLORED TO BE BETTER IN CONFORMITY ON THE WIDTH.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I WILL SIMPLY ECHO COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S COMMENTS.
UM, IT CERTAINLY SEEMS LIKE THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT AS PRESENTED, I CAN'T, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS STILL HAPPENING.
I I WE CAN'T HEAR ANYONE ONLINE.
OH MY, UH, Y'ALL WOULD NEED TO UNMUTE ON YOUR END.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DID YOU SAY YOU CAN'T HEAR THE, THE HEARING AT ALL?
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I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.COULD, DID YOU HEAR, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S MOTION? I DID NOT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE, BEFORE SHE SAID THAT IF HE COULDN'T HEAR, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE APPLICANT COULDN'T EITHER? SO WE DIDN'T GET THE HE DIDN'T GET THE ANSWER TO THE LAST QUESTION.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING SINCE THE LAST TIME I STOPPED TALKING.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, DID YOU WANT TO, I THINK HE HEARD YOUR QUESTION.
SO COMMISSIONER YON, PLEASE? UH, YES SIR.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES SIR, I CAN.
MY QUESTION IS, YOUR PLAT SHOWS THE BUILDING AS A ONE STORY ABANDONED BUILDING.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR US WHAT THAT IS? UH, YES.
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYONE LIVING IN THAT HOUSE FOR A WHILE.
UM, THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, UH, GONNA START ONCE THE PLANT GOES THROUGH.
THEY WANT RENOVATE THE HOUSE AND THEY GET IT FULLY INSPECTED AND ABLE FOR SOMEONE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ALRIGHT.
BUT THEN DO YOU AGREE WITH THE CHARACTERIZATION ON YOUR PLA THAT IT'S AN ABANDONED BUILDING? UH, I USED ABANDONED AS LIKE FACT THAT NO ONE'S BEEN LIVING IN IT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE MAY BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
SECOND, MY COMMISSIONER, YOUNG TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.
ANY DISCUSSION? WELL, I THANK THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR.
I JUST WANTED TO RESTATE THAT I, I THINK AS IT'S PRESENTED, I AGREE WITH STAFF THAT, UM, THAT THE PATTERN IN THE LOT WIDTH AND DEPTH AREN'T COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, BUT IT DOES SEEM THAT THERE MIGHT BE AN ALTERNATE, UM, SUBMITTAL THAT COULD MORE CLOSELY REFLECT THE PATTERN THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? CLAIMER WHEELER.
S SO IF WE WENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, WE, WE, WE COULDN'T HEAR WHAT THE, WHAT HIS RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE HE SAID IF WE APPROVE IT, THEN IT COMES WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE CAN'T HEAR THOSE POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATIONS UNLESS WE APPROVE IT.
WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF? HE SAID THAT IF WE APPROVED IT, IT WAS GONE, THAT THERE WILL BE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THAT TRUE? MR. MARTIN, CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT? OH, OH, OH, OH.
SO WHAT STAFF DOES, AND IN USUALLY IN CASES PLAS, THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL.
THEY ALSO GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THERE.
BUT IF THIS BODY WANTS TO APPROVE IT, THEN STAFF RECOMMENDS, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THESE CONDITIONS.
BUT HIS, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS STILL FOR DENIAL.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MR. BBAR WENT AHEAD AND DID THE HOMEWORK THAT IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT RECOMMENDATION, THEN HE WENT AHEAD AND FIGURED OUT THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WOULD GO WITH THE APPROVAL.
SO WHY CAN'T WE, WE CAN'T HEAR THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT STILL THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE REVISED MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG? UH, YES, MR. CHAIR.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE MARCH THREE, MARCH 23, 20, 23, 3, 2, 3, 23, CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AS REVISED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION AND I WILL SECOND THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, JUST VERY QUICKLY, UH, CONSIDERATION FOR APPOINTMENTS.
UH, ZAC, UH, COMMISSIONER POPP WILL BE GOING BACK TO ZO OAC.
FOR THE, UH, COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ADJUSTMENTS.
UH, MR. BULLARD IS TAKEN ON A NEW POSITION AND HAS LEFT D D I, SO HE WILL BE REPLACED BY, UH, MS. JENNIFER SCRIPPS, WHO IS THE CEO OF D EI NATHANIEL BARRETT, UH, WHICH I KNOW A LOT OF, A LOT OF YOU KNOW, HE'S A, UH, CPA, ALSO DOES A ADAPTOR REUSE DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO LIVE TWEETS.
ZAC, UH, JOE CANNON, UH, ARCHITECT, WE ARE POACHING ALL THE GOOD FOLKS OF AT OMNIPLAN.
SO, UM, VERY HAPPY AND PROUD TO HAVE HIM ON BOARD.
AND THEN MR. COLIN BOROUGH, WHO IS A, UH, PHD STUDENT AT SMU.
UM, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ HIS BOOK, UH, PAVED AWAY.
AND WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
THANK YOU, MR. COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
HAVE MOTION AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
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I WANNA THANK STAFF AND ALL AND, UH, ALL OF YOU COMMISSIONERS AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR SERVING AS VICE CHAIR TODAY.