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[00:00:01]

OKAY. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE MAY MEETING OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.

[Environment and Sustainability on May 1, 2023]

WE HAVE A QUORUM AND SO WITH THAT I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM MARCH 6TH.

SO MOVED, SECOND.

OKAY, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND IT'S SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ANY OPPOSED? GREAT. OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO BRIEFING ITEM A, AN UPDATE ON C CAPS CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE 24 BOND PROGRAM.

JUST A LITTLE CONTEXT.

THIS IS AN UPDATE.

THIS WILL BE AN UPDATE TO THE BRIEFING ON GREEN BUILDING CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND THE RECENT BRIEFING RELATED TO UPDATES TO OUR BUILDING CODES THIS PAST JANUARY AS AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP TO THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO UPDATE OUR BUILDING CODES TO THE 2021 RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING CODES DURING OUR APRIL 12TH MEETING OF THIS YEAR.

WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED OUR C CAP, WHICH INCLUDES GOALS OF ACHIEVING ABOUT 100% NET ZERO CONSTRUCTION FOR CITY FACILITIES BY 2030.

AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THAT'S ONLY SEVEN YEARS AWAY.

SO IN ADDITION TO INCREASING ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF OUR EXISTING BUILDINGS, INCREASING CLIMATE RESILIENCE AND ENSURING THAT OUR NEW BUILDING BUILDINGS ARE CONSTRUCTED, SUSTAINABILITY AND TO THE NEW CARBON NEUTRAL, WE ANTICIPATE EFFORTS UNDER THIS BOND PROGRAM WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED LEADING UP TO ACHIEVING THESE 2030 GOALS.

SO THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS BILL, OF THIS TODAY, IS JUST TO UNDERSTAND THESE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT CAN BE WEAVED THROUGHOUT THE BOND PROGRAM.

IT IS NOT FOR CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION, BUT JUST TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE TO STAFF AS THEY MOVE FORWARD.

SO WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO SUSAN ALVAREZ TO GIVE THIS BRIEFING.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT FOR A RESOLUTION OR ADOPTION.

THIS IS JUST TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK TO STAFF TO THEN LET THEM UNDERSTAND WHERE WE WANT TO GO AS A COUNCIL IN ACHIEVING OUR GOALS RELATED TO OUR BOND, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO SET EXAMPLES GOING FORWARD.

SO THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE.

BRING FORWARD A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON OVER THE LAST YEAR.

GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE THE SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WHAT WE ARE DOING TODAY IS BRINGING SOME UPDATES TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS PROVIDED IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION THAT BOTH STAFF AND THE ENVS COMMITTEE HAVE ASKED, AND THAT IS HOW CAN WE UPDATE OUR TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS TO SUPPORT THE 2024 CAPITAL BOND PROGRAM SO THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH CAP MOVING FORWARD? ONE THING I NEED TO CLARIFY, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW AROUND TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM.

AND THE THING THAT I NEED TO CLARIFY IS THAT MOST OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS BEING USED TO EVALUATE PROJECTS AND PRIORITIZE PROJECTS FOR INCLUSION INTO THE BOND.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS THE PROJECT SPECIFICATIONS FOR ACTUAL PROJECT IMPLEMENTATION MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE THERE ARE POTENTIAL COST IMPLICATIONS TO THESE SPECIFICATIONS.

WE FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET IT ON THE DESIGN TEAM'S RADAR EARLY AS WE'RE PULLING TOGETHER THE COST ESTIMATES AND AS WE'RE EVALUATING PROJECTS FOR INCLUSION INTO THE BOND PROPOSITIONS MOVING FORWARD.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS INTEGRATE THE DALLAS GOALS AND ACTIONS INTO THE BOND FUNDED PROJECTS IN ORDER TO KEEP THE CITY IN A POSITION OF LEADING BY EXAMPLE PILOTING PROJECTS THAT DEMONSTRATE GREEN, HEALTHY, RESILIENT BUILDING INVESTMENTS.

AND TO TAKE A LOOK AT NEXT STEPS TOWARDS UPDATING OUR OWN POLICIES AND CODES TOWARDS MORE RESILIENT CONSTRUCTION MOVING FORWARD. NEXT SLIDE.

SO IN A NUTSHELL, WE ARE LOOKING FOR PROJECT PERFORMANCE CRITERIA.

THAT'S EASY TO EXPLAIN, THAT'S ASPIRATIONAL, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY IS ACHIEVABLE.

SO WE WANT COMMON SENSE BASICALLY MOVING THE ENVELOPE AND EXPANDING WHERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

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SO THE ORIGINAL PROGRAMING REQUEST CAME FROM OUR FRIENDS IN THE CONVENTION CENTER AS THEY WERE DOING SOME OF THE PLANS FOR THE NEW FACILITY.

AND WE HAD SEVERAL, ALMOST DAY LONG MEETINGS WITH THEM TALKING ABOUT WHETHER IT'S NET ZERO CARBON OR NET ZERO ENERGY AND WHAT DO YOU REALLY MEAN BY THAT? AND THOSE WERE VERY HELPFUL DISCUSSIONS.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT DESIGN TEAM RECOMMENDED NET ZERO CARBON MOVING FORWARD FOR THE DESIGN ON THE CONVENTION CENTER.

THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT STAFF ACTUALLY THE DIRECTOR GAVE WERE WE NEED TO GO.

WE NEED TO MOVE THE ENVELOPE AS FAR AS WE CAN AND STILL HAVE A FUNCTIONAL BUILDING.

AND THE REASONING WAS A LOT OF THE MORE SUSTAINABLE DESIGN METHODOLOGIES.

NOW LOOK AT LIFE CYCLE COST ANALYSIS AND WHAT DOES IT COST US AS A CITY TO IMPLEMENT THESE PROJECTS.

SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE DESIGN, BUT IF YOU CAN SAVE MONEY AND SAVE ENERGY OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT, AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S A WIN.

SO WE WORKED PAST THAT INITIAL REQUEST.

WE GOT REQUESTS FROM SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PARKS AND THE BOND PROGRAM.

WE ENGAGED THE DALLAS AIA COMMITTEE ON THE ENVIRONMENT AND THEY GAVE US SOME IDEAS AND THAT'S WHAT OUR PREVIOUS PRESENTATION WAS BASED ON. TODAY'S BRIEFING TAKES THAT FORWARD.

WE WANT TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY.

I'M SORRY. IN THE LAST BRIEFING, WE ALSO LOOKED AT FINANCIAL SUPPORT.

WHY WOULD WE EVEN THINK ABOUT DOING THIS AND THE COSTS AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT, WHICH THE NATIONAL BUILDING INSTITUTE INDICATES IS ABOUT 11 TO 1 ON DOLLARS SPENT FOR RESILIENCE VERSUS NOT.

AND SO TODAY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH A NEW COMMITTEE OF OUR COMMISSION THAT IS A STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS AND INNOVATION COMMITTEE.

IT'S CHAIRED BY JULIE KURAMOTO, WHO IS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTEE TO THE COMMISSION.

SHE IS A SUSTAINABLE DESIGN EXPERT IN AND OF HER OWN REALM, AND HER ASSISTANCE HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY HELPFUL.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT HERE.

RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR BUILDINGS, PARKS, SITE WORK AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THAT WOULD TYPICALLY CONSIST OF A BASELINE RECOMMENDATION AND ONE OR MORE STRETCH GOALS DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT.

AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT NEXT SLIDE.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID TO GET THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP COMMITTEE GOING IS THEY ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, WHICH IS FABULOUS. WE WENT DIGGING AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING LEAD ON CITY BOND PROGRAMS SINCE ABOUT 2003, AND WE DUG OUT ALL OF THOSE RESOLUTIONS.

WE DUG OUT WHAT WE HAD BEEN DOING FOR PROJECTS.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL NOTE IS THAT ALL OF THE PHOTOS EXCEPT FOR THE PARIS BUILDING IN THIS BRIEFING, ARE DALLAS PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNED AND BUILT USING SUSTAINABLE DESIGN PRINCIPLES.

AND SO I WANT TO REALLY EMPHASIZE THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING NEW AND DIFFERENT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND DOING VERY WELL, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT WORK MOVING FORWARD IN THE 2024 BOND, OBVIOUSLY FROM LEED LEED HAS MOVED FORWARD.

THERE IS A SLIDE IN THE APPENDIX WITH ALL THE VARIATIONS AND SO LEED, INCLUDING WORK ON EXISTING BUILDINGS AND INCLUDING WORK AROUND IMPROVING BUILDING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.

AND I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL TOO, BECAUSE OF ALL THE WORK WE'RE DOING TO UPDATE OUR EXISTING BUILDING STOCK.

SO IN 2013 WE UPDATED OUR BUILDING CODE TO MAKE IT LEED CERTIFIABLE.

THE PREMISE FOR BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE PRECEDENT THAT WE SET BACK IN 2017 WITH USING THE 2012 LEED GOLD AS THE BASELINE PLUS WATER AND ENERGY CONSERVATION ADDITIONS.

NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN DOING GREEN POLICY AND IT'S REALLY A GOOD JOURNEY THAT WE'VE

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HAD. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY THAT WE DID IN 2005 ACTUALLY HAS THE FIRST OF OUR E'S, AND THAT IS CARING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT IS ONE OF OUR KEY CORE VALUES, AND IT'S DEMONSTRATED BY ENSURING OUR ACTIVITIES ARE IN HARMONY WITH THE NATURAL WORLD AROUND US.

AND WE ARE CONTINUING THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE GREEN BUILDING POLICY THAT WE'VE UPDATED OVER TIME.

WE IMPLEMENTED GREEN STREETS, OUR COMPLETE STREETS, TO TAKE THOSE PREMISES TO OUR PUBLIC REALM OF PUBLIC WORKS, INCLUDING INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE UPDATED OUR TREE AND LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, UPDATED AND ACTUALLY DEVELOPED A GREEN ENERGY POLICY TO MAKE A POLICY OUT OF WHAT WAS KIND OF A HANDSHAKE.

AND THEN WORKING WITH BOTH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES AND PUBLIC WORKS TOWARDS UPDATING OUR CITY PAVING AND DRAINAGE STANDARDS.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THOSE STANDARDS INCLUDE THINGS LIKE PERVIOUS PAVEMENT AND GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR 20 YEARS BUT HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN INCLUDED INTO OUR DESIGN CRITERIA.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND MY FAVORITE SLIDE.

GOT TO BRING IT BACK TO C-CAP.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE HERE IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT C-CAP DOES GET IMPLEMENTED THROUGH OUR PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. THE DASHED LINES AROUND ARE AROUND SPECIFIC GOALS AND TARGETS IN THE C-CAP THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD WILL HELP US TO ACHIEVE.

NEXT SLIDE.

WE WILL LARGELY BE FOCUSING ON BUILDINGS AND ENERGY.

THAT'S WHERE A MAJORITY OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ARE.

AND BOTH THE MUNICIPAL AND OUR COMMUNITY SCORECARD, WE WANT TO INCREASE ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

WE WANT TO ENSURE OUR NEW BUILDINGS AND ALSO OUR RETROFITS ARE CONSTRUCTED SUSTAINABLY AND CARBON NEUTRAL.

AND WE WANT TO INCREASE OVERALL OUR RESILIENCE TO A CHANGING CLIMATE.

AND SO THIS IS OUR GUIDING LIGHT ON WHY I'M SITTING HERE AND PROVIDING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

ONE IMPORTANT TOOL THAT WE HAVE NOW IN OUR TOOLBOX IS THE SUSTAINABLE PROCUREMENT POLICY THAT PASSED IN MAY OF 21. THIS POLICY ENCOURAGES CITYWIDE EVALUATION OF SOCIAL ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS OF ALL OF OUR PURCHASE DECISIONS.

THIS POLICY IS UNDERWAY WITH A WORKING GROUP AND WILL SIGNIFICANTLY HELP US MOVING FORWARD AS WE LOOK AT TRYING TO GET CLEANER, GREENER MATERIALS INTO OUR PROJECTS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO FOR EACH CATEGORY OF PROJECTS, BE IT A FACILITY, A PARK OR SITE WORK OR INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION FOR A BASELINE AND THEN A TEAM SELECTED STRETCH GOAL TO KIND OF MOVE BEYOND OUR COMFORT ZONE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THE BASELINE RECOMMENDATION FOR BUILDINGS IS TO CONTINUE USING THE CURRENT VERSION OF LEED GOLD STANDARD AND INCLUDE WATER AND ENERGY USE CHAPTERS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING ABOUT LEED IS WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE BUILDINGS BUILT UNDER THE 2003 VERSUS THE MORE RECENT ONES, AND LEED HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

WE'RE CURRENTLY USING LEED 4.1.

THE US GREEN BUILDING CHAPTER IS BRINGING FORWARD A VERSION FIVE THIS SEPTEMBER FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH LEED AND WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AS A BASELINE.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT IS LOOKING AT REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY PER SQUARE FOOT THAT WE'RE USING IN OUR BUILDING.

FANCY WORD FOR THAT IS ENERGY USE INTENSITY.

IT'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S A MEASURE OF HOW WE'RE REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT AND HOW WE'RE REDUCING OUR ENERGY PER BUILDING.

THOSE COSTS CAN BE USED TO DO OTHER THINGS.

AND SO THAT'S A VERY CRITICAL PIECE OF THIS.

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WE WANT TO RECOMMEND ENERGY STAR USING TOP 20% RATED ENERGY STAR APPLIANCES AND EQUIPMENT MOVING FORWARD.

AND LOOK AT THE EMBODIED CARBON DISCLOSURES.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SPECIFICALLY SPELLED OUT IN OUR SUSTAINABLE PROCUREMENT POLICY, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING.

NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE OUR DESIGN TEAMS TO PICK A STRETCH GOAL.

MAYBE WE DO A LEAD ZERO CARBON.

MAYBE IF WE'RE DOING A RETROFIT, WE LOOK AT DOING NOT JUST DOING THE RETROFIT, BUT DO LEED FOR RETROFITS AND O&M TO KIND OF STRETCH THINGS.

MAYBE WE TAKE A LOOK AT REALLY PUSHING THE ENVELOPE ON OUR ENERGY EFFICIENCY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

SO THE OTHER THING, AND I CALL IT A GIFT OF COVID, IF THERE IS SUCH A THING, IS WE'VE BECOME MUCH MORE AWARE OF OUR INDOOR ENVIRONMENT IN BUILDINGS. AND SO IT COULD BE DEPENDING ON THE BUILDING USE THAT WE LOOK AT USING A STANDARD LIKE THE INTERNATIONAL LIVING FUTURE FRAMEWORK, BECAUSE IT DOES INCLUDE INDOOR BUILDING HEALTH AND IT INCLUDES HEALTH OF THE RESIDENTS USING THAT BUILDING AS A PART OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA.

NEXT SLIDE.

THE NEXT IS A BASELINE RECOMMENDATION FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE BASELINE SUSTAINABILITY CRITERIA FOR OUR HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION LIKE ROADS OR PIPELINES OR EVEN SITE WORK.

AND SO FOR A BASELINE, WE'RE RECOMMENDING CONSIDERING THE USE OF ENVISION OR SITE CERTIFICATIONS.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT HERE IN A SECOND.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE 20% FOR ANY APPLIANCES RELATED TO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND MOVE FORWARD JUST A LITTLE BIT.

THE ENVISION PROGRAM ITSELF WAS DEVELOPED BY THE AMERICAN COUNCIL OF AMERICAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS COUNCIL, AMERICAN PUBLIC WORKS ASSOCIATION AND ASCE CIVIL ENGINEERS ASSOCIATION.

SO IT IS THE ENGINEERING COUNTERPART TO LEAD.

AND SO IT APPLIES AND IS SPECIFICALLY BEEN DEVELOPED TO APPLY FOR ROADS, FOR DRAINAGE WORK, FOR PIPELINES, FOR BASIC CIVIL WORKS. IT IS A GOOD COUNTERPART TO LEAD.

IT DOES APPLY PRIMARILY TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT ONE OF THE OTHER REASONS I LIKE IT, IT ENCOURAGES COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS A PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER HAS PUSHED FOR US TO INCLUDE BETTER ENGAGEMENT, AND WE'VE LEARNED THAT THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE REALLY END UP GETTING A BETTER DESIGN WHEN WE INCLUDE NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT INTO THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

ONE LARGE PROJECT THAT THE CITY DALLAS DID USING THE ENVISION PROGRAM WAS THE INTEGRATED PIPELINE PROJECT.

AND SO WE HAVE SEVERAL TRAINED ENGINEERS ON STAFF THAT KNOW HOW TO USE IT, AND IT DOES CARRY SOME ADMINISTRATIVE AND IT'S A LITTLE HEAVIER ON THE UPFRONT DESIGN.

AND SO THERE ARE COST IMPLICATIONS LOOKING AT THIS TYPE OF DESIGN.

AGAIN, THE COST OVER TIME AND THE PROJECT OWNERSHIP BY THE COMMUNITY THAT'S BENEFITED BY IT I THINK HELPS SUPPORT THE USE OF THIS TYPE OF A DESIGN FRAMEWORK.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SITES IS THE NEXT ONE.

AND IT'S A CERTIFICATION PRIMARILY USED FOR PARKS AND OTHER PROJECT SITES OR THE SITE WORK AROUND A BUILDING.

CAN WE GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE THE SLIDE? MAYBE. AND IT IS PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON LANDSCAPES.

TEXAS ACTUALLY LEADS THE COUNTRY IN THE USE OF SITES TOOL, AND IT'S ALSO IN USE NOW FOR ALL OF THE US GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION FACILITIES.

IT'S VERY WIDELY ADOPTED.

IT'S USED IN OTHER TEXAS CITIES.

THAT SAID, THE BEST EXAMPLE I COULD FIND FOR A PROJECT HERE WAS THE PEROT CENTER, WHICH IS GREEN RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S GENERALLY A BROWN ROOF STILL FUNCTIONS VERY WELL.

AND IT'S THAT TYPE OF THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO INCORPORATE MORE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE OR, FOR INSTANCE, THE GREENING FACTORS THE PLANNING

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DEPARTMENT IS LOOKING AT AS A PART OF PARKING REFORM.

THIS IS THE CATEGORY WHERE THAT WOULD BE COVERED.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO ON THIS STRETCH GOALS, A LOT OF WHICH ONE GETS SELECTED DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IF YOU NEED TO BUILD PARKING LOTS, MAYBE DO THE PARK SMART BUILDING.

BOTH PARKLAND AND LOVE FIELD HAVE USED THE PARK PARK SMART AND SAY IT FAST CRITERIA AND IT'S REALLY USING BETTER MATERIALS USING BETTER DESIGN TO REDUCE THE OVERALL IMPACT OF THAT PROJECT.

THE SMART SURFACES TOOL.

I KNOW THAT OUR FRIENDS IN PUBLIC WORKS ARE LOOKING AT IT.

IT'S THINGS LIKE NOT USING BLACK PAVING OR USING A TOPCOAT THAT IS A LIGHTER COLOR TO REDUCE YOUR URBAN HEAT ISLAND IMPACTS.

AND THEN THE CLIMATE POSITIVE DESIGN CHALLENGE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT GREEN SPACE.

AND MY FRIENDS THAT ARE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS TYPICALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

I WILL SAY THAT WITH ALL OF THESE NEWER CRITERIA THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING TODAY, WHEN WE PULLED THE EXPERTS IN, THEY TO A PERSON VOLUNTEERED TO HELP TRAIN OUR STAFF IN HOW TO USE IT AND PROVIDE GUIDANCE MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEY HAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION TO OUR DEPARTMENTS AS A PART OF THIS EXPLORATION.

NEXT SLIDE I NEED I KIND OF GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF A LITTLE BIT.

GO AHEAD AND ADVANCE THE SLIDE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID AND HOW WE GOT TO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY IS THE STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS COMMITTEE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION CONVENED A PANEL OF NATIONAL AND ACTUALLY INTERNATIONAL EXPERTS AND SAID, IF WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK TOWARDS CARBON NEUTRAL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND? AND THEY EACH PULLED TOGETHER A 10 TO 15 MINUTE PRESENTATION WITH LINKS WITH OTHER RESOURCES.

WE CONVENED TWO MEETINGS, ONE BASED ON HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION PARKS AND PUBLIC WORKS AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND ONE ON VERTICAL AND INVITED THE EXECUTIVES FROM THE AFFECTED DEPARTMENTS TO ATTEND.

AND SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO JULIE HIRAMOTO, IN PARTICULAR HER COMMITTEE AND TO THE FOLKS THAT SHE COMPILED TO ADVISE US.

VERY GRATEFUL FOR THEIR ASSISTANCE.

THERE IS IN THE APPENDIX A LIST OF WHO ALL WE HAD PULLED INTO THIS.

SO NEXT STEPS.

TYPICALLY WE RUN THINGS BY OUR COMMISSION BEFORE BRINGING THEM FORWARD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS MONTH.

THE TIMING WAS A LITTLE BACKWARDS, BUT WE WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON POTENTIALLY SENDING THIS FORWARD TO THE COMMITTEES THAT ARE WORKING ON DEVELOPING THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR THE BOND PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT'S OUR IMMEDIATE IS GETTING YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT WE'VE PRESENTED TODAY.

THEN WE LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING OUR COLLEAGUES AS THEY WORK TO DEVELOP THOSE BOND PROPOSITIONS AND THEN TO CONVENING A STAKEHOLDER WORKING GROUP, INTERNAL AND POTENTIALLY EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS UPDATING OUR BUILDING POLICIES MOVING FORWARD.

AND WITH THAT, I'M OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, SUSAN.

APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS TO GIVE FEEDBACK TO STAFF SO THAT WAY THEY CAN WORK IT THROUGH THE COMMISSION AND THEN USE IT AS HOPEFULLY SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES AS WE SET OUT FORTH ON A BOND. SO I'LL GO WITH THE VICE CHAIR, MR. RIDLEY. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

SUE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION.

IT RAISES A LOT OF IMPORTANT ISSUES.

ON SLIDE EIGHT, YOU LIST THE EXISTING GREEN POLICIES, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS IN WHAT WAY COMPLETE STREETS IS CONSIDERED A GREEN POLICY.

I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF THAT AS A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.

I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.

SO THE WHOLE DEAL WITH COMPLETE STREETS AND I WAS ON THE STAKEHOLDER ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT DEVELOPED THAT WHEN I WAS DOING DRAINAGE. AND THE WHOLE PREMISE IS TO MAKE BETTER USE OF YOUR PUBLIC STREET ROADWAY RIGHT OF WAY, INCLUDING GREEN SPACE, INCLUDING SHADING SO THAT WE MAKE.

ALL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION VIABLE, SO INCLUDING SIDEWALKS, INCLUDING BUS STOPS, MAKE

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IT A COMFORTABLE RIGHT OF WAY FOR ALL FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION.

NOT ALL OF OUR STREETS DO THAT NOW.

ONE OF THE KEY PIECES AND IF YOU DRIVE FROM CITY HALL WEST ON OR I'M SORRY, EAST ON COMMERCE, THEY HAVE INCLUDED GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AS A PART OF THE RECONSTRUCTION OF COMMERCE.

AND SO IT INCLUDES GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN HELP SLOW THE HYDROLOGIC RESPONSE HAS VEGETATION TO HELP.

COOL. IT'S BEAUTIFUL.

AND SO IT IS VERY MUCH AN ENVIRONMENTAL GREENING OF GREENING OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF YOU WILL.

OKAY, GREAT.

ON SLIDE 13, YOU MENTIONED THE USE OF GREEN BUTTON.

AND I DIDN'T HEAR IN YOUR NARRATIVE A DESCRIPTION OF THAT.

COULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT DOUGH TOOL? YES, IT IS.

IT'S NOT REALLY A BUTTON.

IT'S AN ELECTRONIC LITTLE GREEN DOT ON THE SCREEN.

BUT IT IS A TOOL THAT LETS YOU BENCHMARK WHAT YOU'VE GOT IN A DESIGN FOR A FACILITY AND ALTERNATIVELY, EXPLORE OTHER WAYS OF REDUCING BOTH YOUR ENERGY USE AND YOUR GREENHOUSE GAS USE FROM THAT FACILITY.

SO IT'S A WAY OF BENCHMARKING.

IT'S A TOOL FOR NOT I DON'T WANT TO SAY GREEN TOO MANY TIMES, BUT IT'S A TOOL FOR MAKING YOUR DESIGN MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. AND IT WAS DEVELOPED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TO BE KIND OF LIKE AN ONLINE HELP TO THE DESIGNERS.

VERY INTERESTING. ON SLIDE 18, YOU MENTIONED RETHINKING SURFACES USING THE SMART SURFACES TOOL.

I HAVE BEEN AN ADVOCATE OF ALLOWING BUILDERS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO USE PERVIOUS PAVING FOR PARKING AND RAISE THIS.

WHEN I WAS SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO WITH A FORMER DIRECTOR, DAVID KASSEM, AND AT THE TIME, AND I SUSPECT STILL TODAY, THE PUBLIC WORKS ROAD SPECIFICATIONS OR PARKING SPECIFICATIONS DO NOT ALLOW USE OF PERMEABLE PAVING EXCEPT FOR PARKING.

THAT'S NOT REQUIRED BY CODE EXTRA PARKING.

AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE CAN MAKE A HUGE INROAD ON OUR ABSORPTION OF STORMWATER IF WE COULD LIBERALIZE THAT STANDARD TO ALLOW AT LEAST A PORTION, IF NOT ALL, OF OUR REQUIRED OFF STREET PARKING TO BE PERMEABLE.

DO YOU SEE A POTENTIAL FOR THAT AND COULD THAT BE WORKED INTO THESE PERFORMANCE CRITERIA FOR THE BOND? ABSOLUTELY. AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOT ADDED TO OUR PAVING AND DRAINAGE STANDARDS IN THE 2019 UPDATE.

PREVIOUSLY, IF YOU WANTED TO USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN ASPHALT OR CONCRETE, YOU HAD TO BEG AND PLEAD AND FILL OUT ALTERNATIVE PAVING AUTHORIZATION FORMS. I KNOW BECAUSE I GOT CALLS FROM DEVELOPERS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

THERE IS NOW A TABLE IN THE DESIGN CRITERIA WITH WHAT YOU CAN USE WHERE AND SO OFF ROAD SIDEWALKS PAVING, ACTUALLY EVEN PARKING LOTS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DIRECT HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON IT, WE'LL DO WELL WITH IMPERVIOUS OR PERVIOUS PAVEMENT.

YEAH. SO DO OUR BUILDING CODES ALLOW THAT NOW? YES. FOR REQUIRED PARKING? YES. OKAY.

WELL, THAT'S A GREAT CHANGE.

THANK YOU. AS FAR AS I KNOW.

MAYBE I BETTER BACK.

CHECK THAT. I KNOW THAT THE DESIGN CRITERIA ALLOWS IT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD DO DESIGN CRITERIA THAT WASN'T SUPPORTED BY OUR BUILDING CODE, BUT I WILL VERIFY THAT FOR YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. MISS SCHULTZ.

THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE I KNOW THIS ISN'T ABOUT US ADOPTING ANYTHING OR ANY OF THAT, BUT HOW DOES THIS ACTUALLY GET ADOPTED? IF WE WANTED TO SAY, YES, WE WANT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT TOOLS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BOND, HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO THAT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR.

I SUSPECT IF YOU GIVE US THAT DIRECTION, WE WILL NEED TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

WELL, AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS CONVERSATION.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PUT TOGETHER A MEMO THAT IS THEN SHARED.

AND AGAIN, A RESOLUTION I THINK IS NOT NEEDED.

BUT THEN AS WE DEVELOP OUR BOND, WE MAKE SURE STAFF UNDERSTANDS THE DIRECTION THAT WE AS A COMMITTEE WANT TO GO.

BECAUSE I DO THINK IF YOU PUT IT AS A RESOLUTION, IT GETS TOO PRESCRIPTIVE.

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AND NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE THAT PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT IT JUST BECAUSE MAYBE IT I JUST FEEL THAT THAT'S NOT THE ACTUAL WAY.

HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT TO PUT A MEMO TOGETHER WITH A RESOLUTION, WITH THE FIVE SIGNATURE, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

I JUST DID NOT WANT TO PUT FORTH AS A DOCUMENT SAYING THIS IS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

GOT IT. I UNDERSTAND.

SO MY QUESTION THEN, I GUESS, IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A, YOU KNOW, A BACK OF THE ENVELOPE AUDIT TO SEE HOW SUCCESSFUL WE'VE BEEN IN THIS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE MANDATED OR SUGGESTED? RIGHT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, HAVE OVER THE BOND MONEY THAT'S BEEN SPENT SINCE THESE THE VARIETY OF RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH, HOW SUCCESSFUL HAVE WE BEEN IN ACTUALLY MOVING THIS FORWARD? OR ARE PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THANKS FOR SHARING, BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND DO IT THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT? ACTUALLY, THE LAST 2 OR 3 PROJECTS THAT WE'VE COMPLETED WERE DONE USING ARCHITECTURE 2030 AND LEED GOLD PLUS ENERGY, AND I BELIEVE THEY ACTUALLY WENT FOR CARBON AS WELL.

AND THAT IS THE SINGING HILLS REC CENTER, RIGHT? AND THEN THE VICKERY PARK LIBRARY, RIGHT? BUT WE DO HUNDREDS OF PROJECTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IS ARE WE ARE CITY-WIDE ARE THESE BEING ACCEPTED AND IMPLEMENTED OR ARE THEY SAYING, YOU KNOW, THANKS AND THAT'S SO YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT NOW.

BUT I THINK THAT WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS MOVES FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION OR AS A RESOLUTION.

SO THAT'S THE DATA I THINK WE NEED FROM YOU IS TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO FORCE THE IMPLEMENTATION OR IF IT'S ACTUALLY MOVING AHEAD ON ITS OWN, WHICH IS FANTASTIC BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY HOW WE'LL GET THE BEST.

TO YOUR POINT, MADAM CHAIR, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE ANYWHERE ABOUT MATERIALS SOURCING? YES. AND I IT ACTUALLY IS ON SLIDE. IS THAT ON THE PROCUREMENT.

SO THAT'S 11.

IT'S ON A SLIDE.

11 YEAH. 11 I SEE.

ENVIRONMENTALLY PREFERRED.

BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO GO THROUGH AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO SAY, NO, WE REALLY WANT YOU TO IN PROCUREMENT, NOT JUST TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE THESE ENVIRONMENTALLY PREFERRED, BUT WE ACTUALLY WANT YOU TO, JUST LIKE WE DO WITH MWB.

I WANT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AND THEN FINALLY, IS THERE INFORMATION ANYWHERE I KNOW FROM ESPECIALLY FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONVERSATIONS, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S THE STUDIES OF THE IMPACT OF BURYING CABLE ENVIRONMENTALLY? BECAUSE I KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE DAMAGE TO THE TREES AS A RESULT OF TRIMMING THEM BECAUSE OF OVERHEAD WIRES, THINGS LIKE THAT, IS THERE THE OPPORTUNITY ALSO TO INCLUDE MANDATES REGARDING BURYING UTILITIES? WHEN WE DO PROJECTS, WE HAVE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKED AT THAT.

I KNOW SOME OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S A HIGHER INITIAL COST, BUT I ALSO SUSPECT THAT COST WOULD BE MADE UP AS WE HAVE STORMS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE LINES BEING DOWN.

I WOULD LOVE DOWN THE ROAD, MADAM CHAIR, IF WE COULD HAVE SOME WHETHER IT'S THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OR WHOEVER REALLY LOOK AT THIS AS TO BEGIN TO THINK ABOUT THAT POLICY WISE WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.

SO. OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.

MISS ARNOLD, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS INTO THE VIRTUAL WORLD? MR BAZALDUA. I SEE YOU KIND OF STARTING TO LEAN FORWARD.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THIS WAS EXTREMELY INFORMATIVE AND BENEFICIAL AND LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR EFFORTS GOING FORWARD.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, MADAM CHAIR.

THANK YOU. MR. RESENDEZ OR MR WEST.

COMMENTS. SUGGESTIONS? I JUST WANT TO ECHO THE LAST COMMENTS.

JUST THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I THINK THIS IS A WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

WE'LL TAKE SOME STEPS IN THE POSITIVE DIRECTION AND WE DO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO MEET OUR GOALS, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO THE UPCOMING BOND PROJECT.

THAT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

JULIE, I SEE YOU ON.

DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS? THANK YOU.

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CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY, PERFECT.

I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO OF THE QUESTIONS AND THEN JUST KIND OF SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR INTEREST AND ENGAGEMENT ON THIS TOPIC.

YOU KNOW, OUR BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR APPROXIMATELY 40% OF OUR GLOBAL GREENHOUSE GAS FOOTPRINT.

SO IT CAN BE A HUGE PART OF THE SOLUTION.

AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE HOW OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE REALLY ADVOCATING FOR THE SUPPORT OF ALIGNING THE BOND PROGRAM AND THE CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT WITH THE CAP GOALS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE MATERIAL SOURCING, AND I THINK THE INTENT HERE WAS PREDOMINANTLY RELATED TO EMBODIED CARBON.

THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT EMBODIED CARBON FOOTPRINTS WITH MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE EQUIPMENT, MATERIALS LIKE CONCRETE AND STEEL, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, THE TYPE OF CONCRETE THAT YOU USE WOULD HAVE A BIG IMPACT.

AND IT'S ALL VERY SCIENTIFIC AND PROPRIETARY.

EACH DIFFERENT VENDOR HAS A DIFFERENT CONCRETE MIX THAT CARRIES ON A DIFFERENT TIME FRAME, THAT HAS A DIFFERENT STRENGTH PROPERTIES, ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND SO THE SUGGESTION HERE IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE SUBMITTAL FOR THE EMBODIED CARBON FOOTPRINT LATER ON DOWN THE ROAD TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS SO THAT EMBODIED CARBON METRIC CAN BE EVALUATED ALONG WITH THE STANDARD PERFORMANCE CRITERIA THAT WE LOOK AT FOR MATERIALS LIKE CONCRETE AS WELL AS THE PRICE AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VENDOR AND ALL THOSE THINGS AS A HOLISTIC PART OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS.

SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY DICTATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO SET A LIMIT FOR EMBODIED CARBON, BUT IT STARTS TO FOLD THAT INTO OUR LARGER INFORMED DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

AND I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A QUESTION ABOUT GREEN BUTTON, WHICH IS SIMILAR.

DATA IS POWER.

AND SO GREEN BUTTON IS A TOOL THAT HELPS PROMOTE DATA TRANSPARENCY.

AND SO SIMILAR TO YOUR SMART THERMOSTAT IN YOUR HOME, YOU CAN CHECK THE BOX THAT SAYS, I'M WILLING TO SHARE MY DATA WITH A LARGER DATABASE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE INFORMED, LARGER DECISIONS AND UNDERSTAND TRENDS AND USAGE AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND SO.

OH. AM I FROZEN? YOU ARE. BUT WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

YOU JUST WENT. OKAY, WELL, HOLD ON.

YOUR SCREEN HAS TO COME BACK YOUR FACE.

MAYBE I'LL. OH, YES.

YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR MY FACE TO TALK.

UM. WELL.

OKAY. SO LET.

IT'S ON HER END, PROBABLY.

SO WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR HER TO COME BACK, SUSAN, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DO YOU NEED ANY CLARITY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE TO GOING FORWARD? I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO BRING BACK SOME DATA RELATED TO HOW WELL WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN I ALSO WROTE DOWN THAT WE NEEDED TO FIND OUT SOME INFORMATION ON UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES.

BEYOND THAT, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY. AND JULIE, IF YOU WANT TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHTS, YOU'RE BACK WITH US FROM THE VIRTUAL.

THANK YOU. YES.

SO DATA IS POWER.

AND SO THE ABILITY TO OPT IN TO SHARING THE PROJECT DATA WITH A LARGER DATABASE ALLOWS US TO SEE TRENDS.

IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE MORE INFORMED DECISIONS ON AN OPERATIONAL BUILDING BY BUILDING LEVEL AS WELL TO MAYBE IDENTIFY THINGS THAT MIGHT NOT BE WORKING AS DESIGNED AND ADDRESS THOSE SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY EXCESS CONSUMPTION OR LEAKAGE THAT'S NOT RELATED TO THE DESIGN, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, PROCEDURALLY HOW WE'RE OPERATING THE BUILDING, IT ALLOWS US TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES WITHOUT ANY OTHER CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND REDUCE OUR ENERGY CONSUMPTION.

SO GREEN BUTTON IS A REALLY POWERFUL TOOL IN THAT SENSE.

AND IT'S, AS SUSAN MENTIONED, A DOE PROGRAM.

SO IT'S PART OF A LARGER NATIONWIDE DATABASE.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

SO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF SUSAN POSED IS DIRECTION FROM US AS A COUNCIL.

I'M WILLING TO ENTERTAIN ANYTHING.

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I MEAN, MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ARE TO WAIT FOR THE DATA TO COME BACK.

AND WE STILL HAVE A JUNE MEETING.

AND IF AND THEY CAN MAKE THE ROUNDS AND IF WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING FORTH IN A FORM OF A RESOLUTION, I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE FULL COUNCIL.

BUT I DON'T KNOW. AS THE ATTORNEYS, CAN WE PUT SOMETHING OUT JUST FROM OUR COMMITTEE, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE ADOPTED BY THE FULL COUNCIL IN RELATION TO SEE? AND YOU MAY NEED TO INVESTIGATE THAT AND COME BACK.

MADAM CHAIR. [INAUDIBLE] FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

WE CAN INVESTIGATE THAT FURTHER.

IF THIS IS JUST A QUESTION OF GIVING GENERAL GUIDANCE TO STAFF, OBVIOUSLY THE COMMITTEE CAN DO THAT FOR SOMETHING MORE FORMAL.

WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED ANSWER BECAUSE A COUNCIL RESOLUTION IS BINDING, WHEREAS A COMMITTEE IS MORE OF A LEADING TYPE DOCUMENT VERSUS A BINDING DOCUMENT.

THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.

SO WITH THAT DISCUSSION.

YEAH. MADAM CHAIR, WOULD I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS THAT WE FOLLOW YOUR LEAD ON THIS IS THAT WE GET THE DATA AND WE UNDERSTAND WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO MANDATE OR NOT.

OKAY. AND THEN MAYBE THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE COULD PROVIDE BOTH OPPORTUNITIES SO THAT IF WE DO NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY IN JUNE, WE CAN.

OKAY. BECAUSE THAT IS WE'RE HITTING UP AGAINST BREAK AND A NEW COUNSEL AND BOND AND BUDGET MEETING.

SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS AS CLEARLY DEFINED, I THINK, AS POSSIBLE.

ANYBODY IN THE VIRTUAL WORLD WANT TO COMMENT OR MAKE SUGGESTIONS? OKAY, MISS ARNOLD.

OKAY. THANK YOU, SUSAN.

APPRECIATE IT. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ITEMS AND THEN WE CAN BE GONE.

WE'LL GO TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION UPDATE WITH CATHERINE BAZAN, OUR CHAIR.

AND THANK YOU, JULIE, AND YOUR COMMITTEE, FOR ALL YOUR WORK ON THIS.

WE DO APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE IT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL AND BROAD BASED.

SO DO APPRECIATE IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR OUR CITY.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

CATHERINE BAZAN, CHAIR OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

LAST MONTH WE HEARD BRIEFINGS ON THE CITY'S REGULATORY AIR QUALITY PROGRAMS AND ODOR NUISANCE INVESTIGATION FEATURES.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM COMMUNITY IS THAT THEIR COMPLAINTS ABOUT ODOR NUISANCE ARE NOT BEING FOUNDED OR RESULTING IN ANY VIOLATIONS OR ACTIONS THAT WOULD REMEDY THEM. AND WE'VE WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WE COULD BE DOING TO BETTER SUPPORT THESE COMMUNITIES THAT CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE ISSUES, INCLUDING TRAINING ON REPORTING ODORS AND CONDUCTING OUTREACH ON JUST THE INVESTIGATION PROCESSES AND POLICIES.

SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING FORWARD TO OPPORTUNITIES TO DO MORE EDUCATION IN THE COMMUNITY ON THAT TOPIC.

THIS MONTH, THE COMMISSION WILL RECEIVE A BRIEFING ON STORMWATER QUALITY AND THE BRIEFING AND INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE JUST RECEIVED RECEIVED WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AND FEEDBACK ON THE COMMITTEE'S WORK FOR THESE PERFORMANCE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM.

I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE TREMENDOUS WORK OF OUR STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIPS AND INNOVATION COMMITTEE LED BY CHAIR HIRAMOTO.

I ALSO WANT TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE TX'S STATEWIDE STANDARD PERMIT FOR CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER AMENDMENT AND OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

THE REVISION PROCESS KICKED OFF LATE LAST YEAR AND THE STATE RECENTLY RECENTLY RELEASED AN AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS WHICH THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ASKING FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

THE PAST AIR QUALITY ANALYSIS WAS OVER A DECADE OLD.

AND SO THEY'VE RELEASED THAT WITH A DRAFT PLAN.

WE'RE SEEING THAT THERE ARE SOME NEW SETBACK DISTANCES THAT THE STATE IS PROPOSING FOR TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT PLANS IN OTHER NON-ATTAINMENT AREAS IN THE STATE LIKE HOUSTON, GALVESTON, BRAZORIA AND ALSO THE CAMERON AND HIDALGO NONATTAINMENT AREAS.

BUT THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW SETBACKS FOR DFW.

AND SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE PUBLIC MEETING AND PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITY IS GOING TO BE ON MAY 18TH AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY ON COMMENTS TO BETTER REGULATE THESE FACILITIES, SET THEM BACK FURTHER FROM INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES WHILE WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

ALSO CONTINUE OUR ADVOCACY WITH OUR COLLEAGUES AT OK.

IN PHASE TWO OF THE ZONING CODE, REVISION FOR CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS WAS RECENTLY MOVED FORWARD.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR SOME OF THOSE MEASURES, INCLUDING A COMPLIANCE DATE FOR THE EXISTING LEGAL NONCONFORMING LAND USES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

WE ALSO PARTICIPATED IN A NUMBER OF EARTH MONTH OUTREACH EVENTS.

WE SAW MANY OF YOU OUT THERE.

WE APPRECIATE THOSE OF YOU THAT CAME OUT TO ENJOY THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND TO HELP US INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY.

CHAIR THANK YOU.

GREAT. THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND YOUR COMMISSION HAS DONE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS AND STILL GOT MORE TO GO.

BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE THUS FAR.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHAIR OR FOR STAFF REGARDING ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION?

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OKAY. MOVING ON TO OUR BRIEFING MEMOS.

WE HAVE C, D AND E! I'M GOING TO JUST PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER.

THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE LANDSCAPING EQUIPMENT TRANSITION AND LAYOUT PLANNING SUPERFUND SITE UPDATE.

ANY QUESTIONS, MISS SCHULTZ? YES, MADAM CHAIR.

ON THE LEGISLATIVE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT CHAIR BEESON MENTIONED WITH THE BATCH PLANTS, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A GREAT REPORT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB ON THIS UPDATE.

AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY THAT YOU ALL WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WERE CALLED OUT, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT AND WE ALL HAVE A LOT ON OUR PLATES.

AND SO IF THERE ARE ANY BILLS IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OWN CONSTITUENTS ARE VERY AWARE OF AND CAN ACT ON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO YOU ALL.

HI, LILLIAN WALDEN, SENIOR COORDINATOR WITH THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.

I PERSONALLY WOULD FLAG SB 1860 BY HUGHES RELATING TO THE ADOPTION OF A CLIMATE POLICY IN A MUNICIPAL CHARTER.

IT ALSO HAS A COMPANION, HB 4930 BY CRADDICK.

BOTH OF THEM HAVE BEEN LEFT PENDING IN COMMITTEE AS OF APRIL 24TH FOR THE SENATE BILL AND APRIL 19TH FOR THE HOUSE BILL.

I HAVE NOT CHECKED TODAY WHERE THEY ARE.

I KNOW WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH OK ON THOSE BILLS AS WELL.

DEFINITELY WOULD REFER TO SUSAN AND CARLOS IF THEY HAVE OTHERS THEY'D LIKE TO FLAG.

CARLOS EVANS, DIRECTOR OF OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY, OF COURSE, SB 1017 AND ITS PARTNER BILL HB 2374 IMPACT THE FUTURE OF THE LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT TRANSITION PLAN, AS WELL AS SB 1114.

SO THOSE BILLS ARE OF NOTE.

AND OF COURSE, AS CHAIR BLACKMON HAS KNOWN AND BEEN ADVOCATING.

WELL, BEEN SPEAKING OUT AGAINST HB 2127 IMPACTS EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL IF WE JUST HAD, YOU KNOW, SOME PIECES THAT WE CAN SEND OUT THROUGH OUR OWN OFFICES TO ENCOURAGE OUR CONSTITUENTS TO LET THEIR REPRESENTATIVES KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO US.

THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

AND THEN I HAD A QUESTION ON ITEM D, AND WE MENTIONED ON THE LANDSCAPE EQUIPMENT TRANSITION.

YOU KNOW, WE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW BEYOND THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY ENGAGING THE PUBLIC ON THIS.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CHATTER ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY FORMAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ENGAGED ON THIS TOPIC.

YES. CHRIS MORRIS, WHO IS LEADING THE TEAM ON DEVELOPING THE PLAN, IS GOING TO COME AND SPEAK TO THAT.

GOOD MORNING. I'M CHRIS MORRIS.

I WORK FOR OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.

AS FAR AS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TOWNHALL MEETINGS, SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.

I'VE DONE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT EVENTS SUCH AS EARTH X, SOME EARTH DAYS FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, OAK CLIFF, JUST PASSING OUT FLIERS, GETTING SURVEYS DONE AND KIND OF GAUGING PUBLIC INTEREST, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE INVENTORY FROM BOTH HOMEOWNERS, SMALL COMPANIES, LARGE COMPANIES.

AND THEN ALSO I'VE BEEN DOING INTERNAL STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS PARKS, SANITATION, DWU AND STUFF.

YES. AND I DO HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT EMAILS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WITH SOME OF THE DIFFERENT EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS.

AND THEN I HAVE A COUPLE OF CALLS AND TEAMS MEETINGS.

THEY'RE KIND OF SPORADIC RIGHT NOW.

I USED TO HAVE SORT OF A MONTHLY ONE, BUT ATTENDANCE IS KIND OF SOME ARE VERY LARGE, LIKE I'VE GOT 30 MEMBERS IN THERE AND SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD LIKE FIVE.

I THINK GIVEN THE CHALLENGE OF THE WHOLE ENTERPRISE IN TERMS OF ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE SMALLER OPERATORS AND THE POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SUPPOSED THREAT TO THEIR BUSINESS AND LIFESTYLE, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT PARTICULARLY WE GET LANGUAGE DIVERSITY AND UNDERSTANDING HOW WE TALK TO THOSE INDIVIDUAL OPERATORS AND MAYBE A STRATEGY AT THE LOCAL AT THE HYPER LOCAL LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT THE IMPACT AND THEIR INTEREST.

THEY MAY BE VERY INTERESTED IN NOT HAVING TO BREATHE THOSE FUMES ANYMORE, BUT THEY'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO AFFORD IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. RIDLEY. CARLOS, ARE WE STILL ON SCHEDULE FOR A FULL COUNCIL BRIEFING ON THE LANDSCAPE TRANSITION IN

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MAY WITH COUNCIL ACTION ANTICIPATED IN JUNE? SO WE HAVE A DRAFT PLAN WHICH IS IN MY HANDS.

WE'RE CURRENTLY REVIEWING THAT FIRST DRAFT PLAN.

OF COURSE, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE RIGHT NOW EVERY DAY.

I MEAN, THIS IS A VERY FLUID KIND OF PROCESS ON THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

WE'RE FOLLOWING EACH BILL PRETTY CLOSELY.

WE'RE ALSO PARTNERING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO FIGURE OUT THE LEGAL IMPACTS TO ANY PLAN, WHETHER IT BE AN ORDINANCE TYPE FOCUS OR INCENTIVES AND OR INCENTIVES.

OF COURSE, AS YOU KNOW, THE PLAN WE HAVE SAID BEFORE, THE PLAN WOULD LIKELY WILL HOPEFULLY INCLUDE BOTH INCENTIVE PROGRAMS AND MAY INCLUDE SOME SORT OF ORDINANCE. RIGHT NOW FOCUSED ON NOISE POLLUTION.

OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REGULATE AIR POLLUTION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CLEAR AUTHORITY AS FAR AS WE KNOW, TO REGULATE AIR POLLUTION.

SO BUT SOME OF THE BILLS MAY IMPACT OR COULD IMPACT.

AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHETHER ANY ORDINANCE BASED ON NOISE POLLUTION WOULD WOULD RESULT IN SIGNIFICANT LEGAL RISK OR NOT.

RIGHT NOW, WE DO PLAN ON COMING TO THE COMMITTEE AND BRIEFING YOU NEXT JUNE OR NEXT MONTH AND BRIEFING THE COUNCIL NEXT MONTH AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS LOOK LIKE BECAUSE DEPENDING UPON WHAT THE BILLS, WHAT BILLS PASS ARE SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR.

AND THERE ARE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS ON ANY ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY MAY WANT TO ADOPT, THEY MAY THAT MAY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE PLAN ITSELF.

WELL, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, IF ANYTHING, THE LEGISLATURE IS GOING TO ENACT, I TRUST THAT THIS WON'T HOLD UP YOUR SCHEDULE SPECULATING ABOUT WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO.

SURE WE CAN. WE'LL BRING IT REGARDLESS.

I KNOW THAT WAS A LEADING QUESTION, BUT OTHERWISE NO GOOD.

I HAVE OTHER THOUGHTS. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE COMMITTEE KNOWS I DID GO DOWN LAST WEEK AND TESTIFY ON THE CLIMATE CHARTER.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON A DEFINITION THAT DEFINES IT DIFFERENTLY THAN OURS.

OURS IS NOT IN A CHARTER.

IT IS A ORDINANCE.

AND THEY WERE LUMPING OUR DOCUMENT IN WITH THAT VERSUS A CHARTER COMMISSION REVIEW AND ADOPTION BY VOTERS.

SO WE DO HAVE AN AMENDMENT, I THINK THAT WE THAT WE'RE POSING SOME FOLKS ARE WALKING IT AROUND THAT DEFINES A CHARTER AS WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED AS SUCH AND NOT AN ORDINANCE.

SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THAT AND THEN WATCHING THE OTHERS INTENTLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LOCAL CONTROL IS IMPORTANT TO US.

SO. I ALSO SAY THAT ON THE INCENTIVE SIDE, OUR CONSULTANT AND CHRIS MORRIS HAVE BEEN WORKING, YOU KNOW, DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO DEVELOP THAT PART OF THE PLAN.

YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE SOME WORK TO DO.

SO IT MAY NOT BE AS FLESHED OUT AS WE WOULD LIKE, BUT WE STILL WANT TO WE STILL PLAN TO BRIEF YOU ON THAT PART OF THE PLAN AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK IT TALKS ABOUT THE ENERGY ELEMENT.

AND YOU COULD ALWAYS SAY WE JUST WANT ONE THAT DOESN'T PUT OUT X AMOUNT OF PARTICULATES AND IT COULD BE BENIGN TOO.

WHAT TYPE OF ENERGY ELEMENT THERE IS? I MEAN, YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY.

I MEAN, THERE'S WAYS TO SKIN THE CAT, IF YOU WILL.

RIGHT. TO GET TO WHAT WE NEED, RIGHT.

YEAH. WE'LL PROBABLY JUST SET OUT MY STRATEGY IN FRONT OF YOU.

DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THE CONVERSATION SO YOU CAN PROVIDE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL.

YEAH, I THINK CARRIE ROGERS, WHO THE DIRECTOR IS OF OGA'S ON THE LINE IF YOU WANT TO POP IN AND ADD ANYTHING.

YES. GOOD MORNING, CHAIRMAN.

THIS IS CARRIE ROGERS, DIRECTOR OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS.

JUST WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE LEGISLATIVE COMMENTS EARLIER.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE COMMITTEE IS LOOKING FOR MAYBE SOME MORE SPECIFIC TALKING POINTS AND UPDATES THAT YOU CAN PUSH OUT TO YOUR RESIDENTS ON THESE PREEMPTION BILLS.

AND SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP AND GET THOSE TO YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS REGARDING THE LEGISLATURE? I KNOW BATCH PLANTS ARE COMING UP THIS WEEK AND SO I HOPE WE ARE GOING TO GET INVOLVED WITH THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING AS A CITY TO PUT THEM IN A PLACE THAT DOES NOT INTRUDE INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND WE'VE MADE GREAT STRIDES AT THAT.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A FAIR AND APPROPRIATE STORY TO TELL.

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SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT IN THE PUBLIC REALM.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. MADAM CHAIR, IS THAT BAZALDUA? YES. MR BAZALDUA UM, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THE BATCH PLANT PROPOSED BILL AND ALSO TO SPEAK TO 2127. I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY UPDATE THAT WE HAVE REGARDING WHAT COULD BE DONE.

I KNOW MISS SCHULTZ MENTIONED REACHING OUT TO OUR CONSTITUENTS AND I KNOW THAT IT HAD A LONG DEBATE ON THE FLOOR WITH THAT ONE PARTICULAR.

HOW CAN WE MAKE AN IMPACT AS A CITY AND WHERE ARE WE IN TRYING TO MAKE THAT IMPACT? IT'S THE LARGEST PREEMPTION BILL IN OUR STATE'S HISTORY.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO REALLY IMPEDE, I THINK, NINE OF OUR CODES AT THIS POINT.

SO WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? CHAIRMAN, THIS IS CARRIE AGAIN.

I DON'T KNOW IF LILLIAN IS STILL THERE IN CHAMBERS, I BELIEVE.

REPRESENTATIVE BURROWS, PREEMPTION BILL, HOUSE BILL 2127 HAS MADE ITS WAY OVER TO THE SENATE AND IS MOVING RATHER EXPEDITIOUSLY.

WHAT I MIGHT SUGGEST IS THAT WE GET WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTOR TO GET AN UPDATE ON WHAT OUTREACH IS GOING ON AND WHERE WE CAN DEPLOY OUR COUNCIL LEADERSHIP APPROPRIATELY.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST EMPHASIZE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THIS A PRIORITY.

NOT FIGHT IT.

DESPITE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT.

BUT THIS IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THREAT TO OUR LOCAL CONTROL IN THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.

YES, SIR. LILLIAN, DID YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? YES, JUST TO CONFIRM ON THAT, IT'S CURRENTLY IN THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON BUSINESS AND COMMERCE, WHICH THERE IS A HEARING TOMORROW ON SECOND.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

MR BAZALDUA. WE NEED TO PUT OUR OPINIONS ON RECORD BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THEY NEED TO HEAR FROM US.

BUT ANYWAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? OKAY. AND ANYTHING ON DNA.

I KNOW I LUMPED THEM ALL TOGETHER, BUT I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF BRING THAT OUT.

OKAY. IT IS 10:00.

THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

WE'LL SEE YOU IN JUNE. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.