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WELCOME TO THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION.
WE HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS.
I AM EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.
OUR VICE CHAIR, COURTNEY SPELL IS ALSO PRESENT.
UM, UH, AND WE ASK NOW FOR ELAINE TO DO A ROLL CALL OF THE AVAILABLE COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON IS NOT PRESENT TODAY.
COMMISSIONER SLAVE WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WILL NOT BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS PRESENT AND COMMISSIONER JOANNA HAMPTON PRESENT.
ALL RIGHT, BEFORE WE BEGIN, OUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS ASKED ME TO REMIND THOSE AT HOME THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON AND STAY CLOSE TO IT EXCEPT FOR, YOU KNOW, QUICK EMERGENCIES BECAUSE THERE IS A STATE LAW ABOUT THAT.
AND COMMISSIONER BEVIN LEFT WHILE I SAID THAT.
TO BEGIN OUR MEETING, OH, WE FIRST, LET'S BEGIN BY FIRST TAKING OUR VOTE ON OUR MINUTES SO THAT I DON'T FORGET TO DO THAT AT THE END.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS GIVEN TO US FROM LAST MEETING? COMMISSIONER VIN, ARE YOU SAYING? SO MOVED.
I'M, WE APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
I THINK OUR FIRST SECOND WAS FROM COMMISSIONER SWAN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE MINUTES HAVE PASSED, THEN ELAINE CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE AND I'LL SIGN THEM.
UM, AND THE NEXT THING FOR US TO DO, ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS NOW THAT WE AREN'T READY FOR THAT YET? ALL RIGHT.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, PESI, DO YOU HAVE, UH, ANY MOTIONS TO MAKE YOU SHOULD? I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE LIST REALLY QUICKLY OF INDIVIDUALS WE HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN PERSON.
JAMES ADAMS? YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT'S JAMES ADAMS. ROBERT BALDWIN.
WILL MITCHELL, BENJAMIN GRIFFITH, CHRISTOPHER WISE, HOWELL, BEAVER.
IF YOU ARE PRESENT AND YOUR NAME WASN'T CALLED, I NEED TO KNOW, RAISE YOUR HAND.
UM, SO FIRST I MOVE THEN TO APPROVE, UH, CONSENT ITEMS C, C1 AND C2 AS WELL AS C4 THROUGH C EIGHT, ALONG WITH DISCUSSION ITEM 15.
SECOND, UM, DID WE NEED, ALRIGHT, FIRST, BEFORE WE REQUEST THAT SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM 15, WHICH WE DISCUSSED IN OUR BRIEFING.
BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM 15, WHICH WE DISCUSSED IN OUR BRIEFING PROPERLY BELONGS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.
CAN SOMEONE MAKE THAT MOTION? SO MOVE SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING DISCUSSION.
ITEM 15, THE CONSENT AGENDA, AYE.
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CONSENT ITEM C ONE, C TWO, AS WELL AS C4 THROUGH C EIGHT.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
I, I WILL NOT BE STEPPING OUT.
NEXT I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEM C THREE.
WE CAN LET EVELYN BECK IN THEN.
OKAY, NOW I MOVE THAT WE REARRANGE, UM, OUR ITEMS AS FOLLOWS.
WE'LL START WITH DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM THREE, THEN D SEVEN, D EIGHT, D NINE, AND D 10, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM D 2, 4, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, FINISHING WITH DISCUSSION ITEM 16.
THAT'S D 1, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 2, 4, 5, 6, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
UM, JUST ENTERING THE ROOM ARE OUR, OUR NEW STAFF MEMBERS WHO WE'RE HAPPY TO SEE ONE OF WHOM I KNOW.
SO I'LL INTRODUCE HER AND SHE WILL INTRODUCE THE OTHER GENTLEMAN WHOM I DON'T KNOW.
SO KATE SINGLETON
UM, SO I HAVE WITH ME MARCUS WATSON, WHO WAS ANOTHER SENIOR PLANNER WITH ME AT THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, LIKE, LIKE KATE SAID, WE USED TO WORK TOGETHER HERE IN THIS VERY DEPARTMENT AND I'M EXCITED TO BE BACK AFTER 12 SOME ODD YEARS.
WELL, WE'RE GLAD TO BE BACK AND I KNOW THE PREVIOUS STAFF MEMBERS ARE HAPPY TO HAVE A LARGER GROUP OF FRIENDS TO WORK WITH US.
THEY, UH, HAVE BEEN DOING ALL OF THIS WORK,
SO WE ARE READY TO START HEARING OUR DISCUSSION CASES.
THE STAFF WILL PLEASE READ THAT.
RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF STUDENT, OH, PARDON ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.
OKAY, I FORGOT TO SAY SOMETHING.
THE ATTORNEY TOLD ME TO SAY, OH, WE WOULD LIKE TO ELECT TO NOT READ THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS INTO THE DOCKET AS THEY ALREADY EXIST IN THE AGENDA AND THEREFORE PART OF PUBLIC, UM, RECORD UNLESS SOMEONE OBJECTS TO THIS.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I'D LIKE TO GO ON RECORD AS SUGGESTING THAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS PROCESS AND IT SHOULD BE READ INTO THE RECORD.
IT'S NOT LABORIOUS, IT'S NOT GONNA KEEP US HERE UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK TONIGHT, SO I WILL BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
THEN WE WILL SELECT A VICTIM TO READ THESE INTO THE RE REAGAN
AND I ASK THAT YOU SIMPLY SAY WHETHER THEY APPROVED, DENIED, DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE OR APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS AND CONDITIONS ON EACH THING.
WE DON'T NEED TO REPEAT ANY OF THE, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE BEEN THERE BY NOW.
SO WE WERE ON, WE'RE DOING D ONE.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1300 SOUTH IRVE STREET.
IT'S THE FORMER AMBASSADOR HOTEL.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 3 4 R D.
THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING COMPLEX
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WITH ACCESSORY PARKING STRUCTURE ON SITE OF THE FORMER AMBASSADOR HOTEL.THREE BUILDINGS TOTAL WITH FOUR LEVELS OF PARKING.
TWO OF THOSE LEVELS ARE UNDERGROUND.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN MULTI-FAMILY DWELLING COMPLEX WITH ACCESSORY PARKING STRUCTURE ON SITE OF THE FORMER AMBASSADOR HOTEL BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 1 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THAT ONE STORY BE ADDED TO THE SIGNATURE CORNER ELEMENT, THE CENTER OF THE JEWEL BOX THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPETS ON JEWEL BOX AND NORTH BAR BE A MINIMUM OF 30 INCHES ABOVE THE POINT WHERE THE ROOF SURFACES AND THE PARAPET WALLS INTERSECT THAT THE BASE LEVEL THREE OF NORTH BAR BE A MAXIMUM OF 25 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THAT PARKING AREA SURFACES BE BRUSHED, FINISHED CONCRETE, INCLUDING PARKING AREA, EGRESS AND INGRESS.
AND THAT STAINLESS STEEL FASTENERS BE USED TO SECURE FIBER CEMENT.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.2 UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS, SECTION 5.1 SUBS, DIVISION B ROMAN ONE PERTAINING TO FACADES AND SECTION 7.3 UNDER ROOFS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH FOUR DOT 5 0 1 SUBSECTION OF SUBDIVISION G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU THOUGH, I THINK FOR THE REST OF THEM WE CAN SKIP THE, UM, THE NUMBERS EVEN THOUGH I LOVE ROMAN.
YOU LIKE, BUT JUST TELL US YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE REST IS ALREADY PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD, RIGHT? RIGHT.
TO CLARIFY, YOU CAN JUST SAY APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE REASON SET FORTH IN THE DOCKET.
MR. ROTHENBERG, TELL ME IF I DO IT RIGHT, I'M SORRY.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE EXISTING WEST WALL SIGN BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS THAT APPLICANTS SUBMIT.
NOTES CLARIFYING EXISTING SIGN WRONG ONE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS 1401 OKAY SHOT.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A MAIN MULTIFAMILY DWELLING COMPLEX COMPLEX WITH ACCESSORY PARKING STRUCTURE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
AND DO WE HAVE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? WELCOME.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
MY NAME IS ROB BALDWIN, OFFICER 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS.
AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER O H T PARTNERS IN THIS ONE.
AND YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH? YES MA'AM.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO TELL US.
UH, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK.
WE WERE HERE LAST MONTH, IT DIDN'T GO OUR WAY AND SO WE'RE HOPING WE'RE, WE WILL HAVE A BETTER LUCK THIS TIME.
AS YOU REMEMBER, UH, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO RECREATE THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL.
UH, MY CLIENT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY.
UH, THERE WAS A MOTION OR A MOVEMENT BEING FORWARDED TO THE PLAN COMMISSION TO REMOVE THE H OVERLAY ON IT CUZ THE BUILDING WAS NO, NO LONGER THERE.
MY CLIENT WORKED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL WAS RECOGNIZED, SO THEY VOLUNTARILY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS TO PUT PRESERVATION CRITERIA ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT DID NOT HAVE A STRUCTURE ON IT.
WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TRY TO GET OUR CA APPROVED AND SHOW HOW WE COMPLY WITH THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA THAT WAS ADOPTED BOTH BY, UH, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION PLAN COMMISSION AND ULTIMATELY CITY COUNCIL.
NOW, KEEP IN MIND, UH, THE, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WAS SAID IN THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA IS WE ARE NOT TRYING TO RECREATE THE AMBASSADOR HOTEL, BUT WE'RE HERE TO CELEBRATE IT NOW, HOPEFULLY YOU, YOU RECEIVED A LETTER FROM, UH, MY CLIENT ALONG WITH A MATRIX SHOWING ALL THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AND HOW WE MET THAT.
AND, UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THAT BECAUSE WE ONLY GOT THREE MINUTES OF PERSON.
BUT, UH, THE ARCHITECTS I THINK, DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GOING THROUGH EVERY CRITERIA
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AND SHOWING HOW THEY'VE MET IT.SO, UM, WE HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS.
UH, ONE THING I WILL BRING UP IS THE DRIVEWAY THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.
I, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER OSA EARLIER, UM, THAT WE'D NOT HAVE A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION STAFF WILL NOT ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT.
SO, UM, THAT'S NOT COMING BACK.
SO, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO THE ARCHITECTS AND OWNER, BUT, UM, UH, WE HOPE YOU CAN SUPPORT THIS REQUEST.
HELLO, SIR, PLEASE BEGIN BY STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? MY NAME IS HOW BEAVER, UM, 42 32 SAN CARLOS.
UM, AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.
APPRECIATE WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS READ THE LETTER WE WROTE.
UM, I'M WITH, I AM THE DEVELOPER ON THE PROJECT.
UH, WE OWN WE OWN THE PROPERTY AND I'M HERE REALLY JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT AS TO WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE ARE NOW TO HELP KIND OF MAYBE FILL THE GAPS.
I KNOW THIS IS A BIT OF A, PROBABLY A DIFFERENT ABNORMAL TYPE OF PROJECT FOR THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION.
THIS IS A GROUND UP DEVELOPMENT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.
IT'S EXTREMELY, UM, IT'S AN EXTREMELY PROMINENT SITE IN THE CEDARS, WHICH I'LL GET BACK TO IN A MINUTE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, HALF OF THE SITE IS IN THE OVERLAY AND HALF OF IT'S NOT.
UM, SO WE JUMPED IN AT THE END OF 2021, UH, TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY.
AND AT THE MOMENT, THE OWNER AT THE TIME, AS, AS ROB SUGGESTED, WAS PURSUING AN ABANDONMENT OF THE OVERLAY ALTOGETHER THAT CLEARLY WAS, WAS UNSETTLING FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE BOTH IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IN THIS BODY.
SO WE KIND OF ASSESSED THAT, TOOK A STEP BACK, STARTED MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MET WITH WITH MS. HAMPTON, UM, AND, AND AGREED TO, TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND, AND START OVER, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO THE OVERLAY TO ALLOW US TO BUILD THE THING.
SO, UM, WE DID THAT, WE JUMPED IN.
IT WAS A LITTLE NERVOUS TO ME BECAUSE, WELL JUST KIND OF THE UNKNOWNS OF THAT.
THESE ARE VERY LARGE COMPLEX PROJECTS, THIS ONE BEING SUCH A BIG AND PROMINENT ONE.
UM, SO MY KIND OF, MY MISSION WAS, GUYS, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE AND, AND, AND LET'S GET A GOOD SET OF RULES AS WELL AS INTENT IN, IN THE, IN THE TEXT SO WE CAN THEN GO DO OUR THING.
UH, WE GOT THAT APPROVED ALL HUNKY DORY, SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME OF WHOM ARE HERE TODAY, I BELIEVE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS.
SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH MS. HAMPTON AND WE'RE QUITE HONEST WITH EACH OTHER.
I MEAN, WE DIDN'T ALWAYS AGREE ON EVERYTHING.
UM, KIND OF GAVE EACH OTHER THE DIGNITY OF, OF BEING FRANK ABOUT STUFF.
I OBVI I I DIDN'T LEAVE EVERY MEETING HAPPY WITH WHAT JOANNA HAD TO SAY, FRANKLY, BUT, BUT WE WORKED TOGETHER AND WE GOT IT DONE.
SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OVER BEERS, PRESENTATIONS, ALL THE THINGS.
AGAIN, DIDN'T ALWAYS HEAR WHAT WE WANTED TO HEAR, BUT WE'RE HONEST WITH EACH OTHER AND, AND HAD A, I THINK A REALLY GOOD PROCESS THIS PROJECT FOR THAT REASON.
UM, AND JUST THE, THE COOL FACTOR OF IT IS, HAS REALLY BECOME SOMEWHAT OF A PASSION PROJECT FOR ME.
I MEAN, WE BUILD A LOT OF APARTMENTS, BUT THIS ONE'S REALLY NEAT AND I WANTED TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT TOO.
THE, THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION, NOT JUST RELATED TO THE HISTORIC FACTOR, BUT THE PROMINENCE OF THE SITE.
ONE SIDE, YOU GOT OLD CITY PARK, THE OTHER SIDE, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE CEDARS, AND THEN OF COURSE YOU GOT THE SKYLINE.
SO IT'S, THERE'S NO BACK DOOR TO IT.
AND THAT WAS A HUGE PART OF THE, UH, PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND AGAIN, WHY IT'S SO EXCITING.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND PART OF THE INTEREST OF IT IS WE'RE GONNA DO THE HISTORIC FACTOR, THE HISTORIC PART, AND THEN THE OTHER HALF OF THE SITE FACING THE DALLAS SKYLINE NEEDS TO HAVE A BIG PRESENCE.
SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, EXCUSE ME, SIR, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
CAN I WRAP UP WITH ALL THAT SAID? SORRY.
HI, MOVE AND AOSA? YES, I MOVE THAT WE GAVE THE GENTLEMAN, UH, AN EXTRA TWO MINUTES.
YOU HAVE AN EXTRA TWO MINUTES.
WITH ALL THAT SAID, THE MISSION WAS TO COME UP WITH A TEXT THAT CLEARLY DEFINES WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO OR WHAT WE SHOULD DO AS WE GO BUILD THIS THING, WHAT OUR RULES ARE.
AND, UM, AND AS WELL WE HAVE KIND OF THE, THE STATEMENT OF INTENT IN THE BEGINNING OF IT.
AND, AND CLEARLY BY NATURE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING HERE.
THERE'S, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SUBJECTIVITY TO EVERYTHING.
THERE'S A LOT OF OPINION AROUND WHAT'S AROUND HISTORIC THINGS.
I JUST ASKED THAT, UM, THAT YOU, WELL, MY INTENT HERE IS SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM, HOW WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, AND, UM, THE INTENT OF THE WHOLE THING.
MY DESIGN TEAM HAS DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB.
I TOLD 'EM, STICK TO THE TEXT, DO WHAT THE TEXT SAYS, BE COMPLIANT.
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WE'VE GOT A CHECKLIST TOGETHER THAT IS VERY CLEARLY KIND OF BOX CHECKING AS TO WHY INES DESCRIPTIVE AS TO WHY WE DO COMPLY.HOPE YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, UM, THE INTENT I THINK IS CERTAINLY THERE.
SO I THINK WE'VE REALLY DONE AND THEY'VE DONE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD JOB OF, UM, OF MEETING THE CHALLENGE.
SO WITH ALL THAT SAID, I REALLY, UM, APPRECIATE YOU GUYS AND, AND REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
IS THERE ANOTHER SPEAKER ON THIS ONE OR I'M SURE YOU KNOW, NAME AND ADDRESS, RIGHT? YES, I AM CHRISTOPHER WEISS, 1419 GRIFFIN STREET EAST.
I AM SPEAKING AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, YOU DO HAVE TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU'LL TELL THE TRUTH, SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU? I DO
UM, SO SPEAKING, REPRESENTING THE BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS OF THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WE ENCOURAGE A LANDMARK COMMISSION TO PROVE THIS OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS PLAN AS PRESENTED BY O HT PARTNERS AND CORGAN ARCHITECTS.
UH, THE PLAN WAS PRESENTED LAST WEEK TO THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DURING ONE OF OUR REGULAR MEETINGS.
AND AFTER A LONG Q AND A WAS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN FAVOR OF THE DESIGN PRESIDENT.
THEN WE HAVE SEEN THE DESIGN AS PRESENTED TODAY AND ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT AS WELL.
WITH THE MODIFICATIONS BEING DONE THERE, WE DO SEE THE AMBASSADOR SITE AS PART OF A, AS A KEY PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT AREA, INCLUDING THE AMBASSADOR, OH, THE, UH, OLD CITY PARK, THE GULF CONE BUILDING, AND OTHERS WERE THERE ARE CONSIDERED TO BE THE NEW GATEWAY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE SEE THE IMPORTANT TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT LONG NON-ELECTED SPACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOPING TO SEE REACTIVATION IN THAT SPACE WITH THESE NEW PROJECTS.
I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION OF OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT IN THIS MATTER.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS MATTER? HELLO, SIR.
UH, IT'S CASEY MCMANON, 51 45 YOLANDA LANE, DALLAS, 75,229.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.
HOPEFULLY YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE GULF CONE BUILDING.
IT WAS EMPTY FOR MANY YEARS WITH LOTS OF PARTIES, DRUGS, GUNS, AND SOME HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT NEEDED SOME PLACE TO DRY AND SLEEP.
I BOUGHT THE GULF CONE IN 2014.
MY GOAL WAS TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFETY, BEAUTY, AND PURSUE THE IDEA OF RE REACTIVATING THE CEDARS BY DELIVERING A GATEWAY.
THE AMBASSADOR WOULD BE THE LEADER.
THE GULF CONE IS LESS THAN 100 FEET AWAY.
I WATCHED MY FRIEND, MY NEXT NEIGHBOR BURN FROM THE FIFTH FLOOR OF THE GULF CONE.
I HOPED THE DEVELOPER WOULD ARRIVE INSTEAD.
MANY MEETINGS, IDEAS, DISCUSSIONS, EFFORTS AND TRIPS TO THE ROOF OF THE GULF CONE AND A FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY HAS RESULTED IN EXCITEMENT IN THE CEDARS.
I WANNA PRESENT ONE VERY SPECIFIC OPINION.
WHEN HAL AND HIS O H T COLLEAGUES PRESENTED THEIR INITIAL DESIGN, MORE THAN ONE FRIEND OF THE CEDARS HAD STRONG RESPONSES ABOUT THE DESIGN AND WHERE IT WAS DIRECTED.
IT WAS DIRECTED ABSOLUTELY TO THE NORTH IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
THAT IS NOT THE CEDARS THE CEDAR.
PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO TO DOWNTOWN.
THEY WANT PEOPLE TO COME TO THE CEDARS.
MANY OF US MADE AN EFFORT TO SHOW EVERYBODY THE O H E TEAM, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, WAITING FOR OUR PARTNER TO SHOW UP.
AND WHEN WE PRESENTED WHAT OUR IDEAS WERE, HELEN AND HIS FRIENDS, THEY SAID, GIVE US SOME TIME.
THEY CAME BACK WITH A MUCH BETTER EFFORT, I WOULD SAY A TREMENDOUS EFFORT.
AND THEY CAME UP TO US, FORTUNATELY TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE LIKE WHAT THE CEDARS DESERVE.
NOT WHAT YOU WANT, IT'S WHAT THEY DESERVE.
AND WHAT WE SHOWED IS THAT WE HAVE FOCUSED ON STREETS, PARKING LIGHTS, BEAUTY AND SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY.
THERE ARE FOUR PARTIES THAT OWN ALL OF THE STREET
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ON SOUTH IRVE.AND ALL FOUR OF US, WE OWN ALL OF THAT THERE.
WE HAVE ALL AGREED EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH STREETS AND PARKING AND SAFETY, SAFETY, SAFETY.
HOW MANY SPEAKERS TOTAL DO WE HAVE ON THIS ONE, BY THE WAY?
BEN GRIFFITHS AND I LIVE AT 2,400 SOUTH IRV BAY STREET.
AND YOU PROMISE OR SWEAR TO TELL US THE TRUTH? I DO.
IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO COME HERE IN PERSON, EVEN THOUGH CHRIS HAS DONE A GREAT JOB REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, AND JUST GIVE AN OPINION ON THIS.
UM, I DO LIVE IN THE CEDARS AND I HAVE FOR A LONG TIME.
I CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT THE LIVING HISTORY AS, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE HISTORY THAT'S BEEN LOST TO THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND THE AMBASSADOR IS A KEY.
IT'S, IT'S A KEY DEVELOPMENT TO THE FUTURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
HOW, AND, AND HIS PLAN THAT HE PRESENTED, UH, IS RESPECTFUL.
UM, I THINK THAT IT DOES HONOR THE TRADITION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE AESTHETIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE WISHES OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, THE INVESTORS, UM, THAT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'M HERE AS MUCH TO SPEAK TO THAT AS I AM AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE AMENDMENTS.
I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE, I I I THINK THEY ADD A LOT OF COST WITHOUT ADDING VALUE TO THE PROJECT.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS, A AS A PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CEDARS THAT I WANT TO DO IS, AS I'M SURE YOU DO TOO, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT, NOT HOLD IT BACK.
THE CEDARS IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF, OF PROPERTY AND AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF PROPERTY TO DALLAS, BUT IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED THE WAY IT NEEDS TO.
AND WE HAVE ONE MORE AFTERNOON.
UH, I'M WILL MITCHELL, 28 21 LOVERS LANE.
UM, AND I'D LIKE TO REQUEST, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IF I COULD BE MADE PRESENTER TO SHARE AN IMAGE.
AND I HAVE TO QUICKLY ASK YOU, YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS AGAIN FOR THE AUDIENCE TO CLARIFY A FEW CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR PROPOSED DESIGN FOR THE AMBASSADOR PROJECT.
WE'RE THE ARCHITECTS ON THE PROJECT.
FIRST, OUR PROPOSAL FOR WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE JEWEL BOX STRUCTURE BUILDING IS FIVE STORIES TALL.
AN ADDITIONAL FLOOR IS MENTIONED IN THE STAFF.
UH, RECOMMENDATION WOULD REQUIRE THE STRUCTURE TO MOVE IN A MORE RESTRICTIVE CONSTRUCTION TYPE, WHICH WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, BUT WE TALKED SINCE THE RECOMMENDATION CAME OUT AND OUR TEAM LOOKED AT AN ALTERNATIVE OPTION.
UH, IF THE CONCERN IS TO FURTHER ACCENTUATE THE CENTRAL STONE VOLUME OF THE JEWEL BOX, UH, WE PROPOSED, UH, WE COULD RAISE THE CEILING HEIGHT IN THAT AREA OF THE BUILDING, UH, FROM SAY 10 TO 12 FEET AND INSERT A ROW OF CLEAR STORY WINDOWS AND THAT SOUTH FACADE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS IMAGE HERE, EVERYONE CAN SEE THE IMAGE.
UM, SECONDLY, THE PROPOSED DESIGN DOES INCLUDE A SECONDARY VEHICULAR ENTRY ALONG ST.
THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
UM, THE AT GRADE RENDERING WE INCLUDED ALONG ST.
PAUL IS TAKEN JUST FROM A VANTAGE POINT JUST TO THE EAST OF THAT VEHICULAR ENTRY.
AND SO THUS THE, THE ENTRY, THE VEHICULAR ENTRY IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE RANGE OF THAT VIEW.
BUT IT IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THAT.
UM, AS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IN THE BRIEFING, WE'RE UNABLE TO KEEP THE EXISTING CIRCLE DRIVE AT SOUTH IRVING DUE TO TRAFFIC REQUIREMENTS AND VISIBILITY TRIANGLE RESTRICTIONS.
HOWEVER, THE PROJECT TEAM INTENDS TO USE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE EXISTING BRICK FROM THAT AREA AS ENHANCED LANDSCAPE AND PAVING THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT.
AND IN KEY FOCUS AREAS LIKE THE ENTRY, UM, REGARDING THE FASTENERS USED FOR THE FIBER CEMENT BOARD AREAS OF THE BUILDING, OUR TEAM RECOMMENDS AND PROPOSES THE USE OF GALVANIZED STEEL FASTENERS PAINTED TO BE CONCEALED FROM VIEW.
UH, THE, THE GALVANIZATION PROCESS INHIBITS THE CORROSION THAT I THINK WAS THE CONCERN.
OUR CONCERN WITH STAINLESS STEEL FASTENERS IS THEY DON'T ACCEPT PAINT WELL AND WOULD REFLECT LIGHT AND THEN BE, UH,
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VERY VISIBLE AND THEY WOULD STAND OUT VIS VISUALLY.AND THEN AS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE BASE ALONG THE NORTH BAR BUILDING, WE DID HAVE AN INDICATION OF THE INTERIOR FINISH FLOOR THAT READ AT 125 FOOT SIX THAT IS THE INTERIOR FINISH FLOOR AND IS INDEPENDENT OF GRADE.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE BASE BRICK EXPRESSION, THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING IS 24 10 ABOVE GRADE ALONG THAT FACADE.
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE WANNA BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH OUR INTENT WITH THE DESIGN TODAY.
AND NOW IS WHEN, UM, COMMISSIONERS ASK QUESTIONS OF SPEAKERS OR STAFF TO FURTHER CLARIFY THEIR UNDERSTANDING.
AND COMMISSIONER SWAN? UH, YES.
I THINK THIS IS FOR ANY OF YOU WHO'D LIKE TO ADDRESS IT.
I'M JUST A LITTLE UNCLEAR, UH, ABOUT THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENT ABOUT THE, THE PARAPET ON THE, UH, JEWEL BOX AND THE NORTH BAR.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, I GUESS, A CLEARER ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT WAS BEING ASKED AS A CONDITION OF YOU ALL AND WHAT YOU ALL HAVE PROPOSED, UH, TO MEET IT OR TO COUNTER IT.
CAUSE I'VE JUST, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD VISUAL SENSE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION.
UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO SHOW A MINIMUM 30 INCH PARAPET ANYWHERE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING.
AND THERE WAS A REFERENCE DURING THE BRIEFING OF BUILDING CODE.
UM, WE OF COURSE INTEND FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING TO BE COMPLIANT WITH INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
AND WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT HEIGHT PARAPET IS PRETTY STANDARD PARAPET HEIGHT ON THE BUILDING.
SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT REQUIREMENT.
I GUESS I, I MISSED THE, YOU WERE EXPLAINING ABOUT THE CLEAR STORY WINDOWS.
WHAT WAS THAT IN RESPONSE TO THAT? THAT WAS IN RESPONSE TO OUR UNDERSTANDING OF A CONCERN IN THE MASSING OF THIS JEWEL BUILDING BECAUSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADD A, UH, A SIXTH STORY TO THIS STRUCTURE.
OUR THOUGHT WAS, OKAY, THE GOAL IS TO BETTER DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE STONE VOLUME AND THE FLANKING BRICK VOLUMES BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, UH, PACKET THAT WE SUBMITTED ORIGINALLY SHOWED ABOUT A FOUR FOOT DELTA BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARAPETS TO ACCENTUATE THE STONE VOLUME.
AN ADDITIONAL STORY, OF COURSE, WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
SO OUR PROPOSAL WITH THE CLEAR STORY IS TO KIND OF MEET IN THE MIDDLE THERE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT AND AN ADDITIONAL WINDOW TYPE TO DIFFERENTIATE THE CENTER SECTION FROM THE FLANKING, UH, BRICK VOLUME.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, IT DOES.
SO WOULD I BE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT THE ONLY, UH, POINT OF DIFFERENCE NOW BETWEEN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS WRITTEN IN THIS APPROVAL, THE STAFF CONDITIONS WOULD BE ON THE MATTER OF GALVANIZATION OF THE, UH, THE, THE FA THANK YOU, THE FASTENERS GALVANIZATION OF THE FASTENERS.
BUT, BUT I WOULD FURTHER CLARIFY THAT THE PROPOSAL DOES NOT ADD A SIXTH FLOOR.
IT RAISES THE HEIGHT OF THE, THE TOP FLOOR, WHICH IS THE FIFTH FLOOR.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO ADD A FLOOR YES.
MISSED THE PART ABOUT REQUIRING A SIXTH, UH, FLOOR IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
IS THAT, IS THE SIXTH FLOOR WRITTEN INTO THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION? I DID SAY AN ADDITIONAL STORY, AND AS MR. MITCHELL IS SAYING, THE ISSUE WAS DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE, UH, SIGNATURE CORNER ELEMENT, WHICH IS, WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO IT AS? UH, THE STONE CENTRAL VOLUME.
THE STONE CENTRAL VOLUME AND THE, UH, WINGS, WHICH YOU ARE REFERRING TO AS THE, THE BRICK FLANKING VOLUME.
UH, UH, IS, IS STAFF SATISFIED BY THE ADDITION OF THE CLAIRE STORY IN LIEU OF THE SIX STORY? I, I CAN SEE A DIFFERENTIATION WHERE I DID NOT SEE ONE BEFORE PER SE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE SEEING FRESH.
RIGHT? THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I AM SEEING FRESH.
SO WE CAN REALLY SAY THEN THAT, UH, THE CLEAR STORY SUBSTITUTION FOR THE ADDITIONAL STORY IS WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.
SO, UH, THAT COULD BE ACCEPTED.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE IS GALVANIZATION VERSUS STAINLESS.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
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OKAY.AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE, UH, DEMONSTRATED THAT, UH, THE BASE ON THE NORTH BAR FALLS WITHIN THE, THE 20.
WHICH SAY I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT POINT,
BUT, UM, BECAUSE WHAT ARE WE SAYING, THE 24 FEET, 10 INCHES REFERS TO? IT'S THE BRICK, UM, CLADDING ON THE ELEVATION AND IT'S HEIGHT FROM GRADE.
AND, AND I CAN EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE 1 25 FOOT SIX DIMENSION THAT RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THAT SETS THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE INTERIOR FINISHED FLOOR OF THE BUILDING, WE NEED THAT TO BE AT A CERTAIN HEIGHT TO ALLOW TRUCKS TO SERVICE THE BUILDING FROM WITHIN THE PARKING STRUCTURE JUST TO ALLOW ENOUGH OVERHEAD CLEARANCE MM-HMM.
THE CITY OF DALLAS DOESN'T ALLOW THAT.
SO THAT ALLOWS THEM TO ENTER THE STRUCTURE SO THAT THAT'S THE REASON WE, WE NEED THAT INTERIOR FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT TO BE THERE.
BUT FROM THE EXTERIOR, FROM A FACADE POINT OF VIEW, THE CHANGE BETWEEN THE BRICK BASE AND THE SECONDARY MATERIAL IS AT 24 FOOT 10.
SO THAT'S HOW WE ARE DEFINING THE, THE BASE.
AND THE BASE METAL TOP EXPRESSION IS THE, THE BRICK BASE AT 24 FOOT 10.
MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A FOLLOW UP TO THAT? UH, CERTAINLY YES, PLEASE.
SO ON, UM, MS. DUNN AND I, APOLOGIES.
I'M TRYING TO GET THE PAGE ON THE CASE REPORT, THE ELEVATION OF THE NORTH BAR THAT'S IN THE CASE REPORT.
LEVEL THREE IS NOTED AS BEING THE 25 FOOT SIX INCHES.
BUT, UM, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THAT, IT NOTES THAT 24 FOOT 10, WHICH I UNDERSTOOD TO BE THE DIMENSION, THE BASE DIMENSION, SO THE EXPRESSED MATERIAL DIMENSION.
IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S WHAT I ALSO JUST HEARD MR. MITCHELL SAY, WELL, TODAY THAT'S WHAT MR. MITCHELL HAS INFORMED US OF.
BUT WHEN I SPOKE TO LUKE, LUKE SAID THAT, THAT THE 24 FOOT 10 WAS THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT.
SO THAT'S WHERE MY CONFUSION IS.
BUT IF TODAY WE'RE SAYING IT'S 24 FOOT 10 IS WHAT WE SEE, IF WE'RE STANDING ACROSS THE STREET, THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M SEEING IN OUR, IN OUR CASE REPORT.
SO I THINK THAT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN A MU UNFORTUNATE COMMUNICATION ON DIMENSIONS THERE.
AND THEN MY FINAL, MY FINAL QUESTION IS THIS DRAWING THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US WITH THE CLAIRE STORY SUBSTITUTION FOR THE SIXTH FLOOR, UH, WHAT IS THE DATE ON THIS DRAWING? OR HOW ARE WE IDENTIFYING THIS DRAWING? UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
WE, THE DATE WOULD BE TODAY,
AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THIS AND, AND DATE IT TODAY.
UH, UM, IF THAT HELPS WITH THE, THE RECORD KEEPING HERE.
AND, UH, ON THE MATTER OF THE BRUSH FINISH, UH, CONCRETE AT THE ENTRANCES, HAS THAT BEEN ACCEPTED? NO PROBLEM, NO ISSUE THERE.
UM, I HAVE A MOTION, BUT OF COURSE I DEFER TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? CAUSE IF NOT, WE HAVE A MOTION.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN PROCEED, MR. SWAN.
UH, IN THE MATTER OF DISCUSSION, ITEM ONE 1300 SOUTH STREET, UH, CA 2 23 3 40 RD.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS, UH, THAT THE, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS CITED, CITED BY STAFF, UH, BUT WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE DRAWINGS, UH, THE PARAPET, UH, THE CLEAR STORY SUBSTITUTION FOR THE SIXTH FLOOR, UH, ON DRAWINGS DATED MAY 1ST, 2023, SATISFY THAT CONDITION MADE BY STAFF 4 0 6 FLOOR.
AND THAT THE, UH, FINDING OF FACT THAT THE, UH, THE BASE, UH, OF THE NORTH BAR, UH, FALLS WITHIN THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS REQUIRED BY STAFF, AND THAT, UH, GALVANIZED FASTENERS WILL BE SUFFICIENT IN PLACE OF STAINLESS STEEL FASTEN FASTENERS.
YES, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY FOR REASON, CITED BY
THANK YOU, MR. SWAN AND COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA HAS SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? ALL RIGHT.
I, I JUST HAVE THE COMMENT THAT I'M PLEASED TO SEE IT LOOKING MORE LIKE THE BELOVED AMBASSADOR.
I WORKED OVER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AT OLD CITY PARK.
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AND, UM, I'VE BEEN TO THE AMBASSADOR.I'M GLAD I GOT TO SEE IT, FORT BURNHAM.
BUT, UM, NOW, NOW THERE'LL BE SOMETHING NEW THERE, APPARENTLY, UNLESS THIS FAILS, BUT LET ME CALL 'EM THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, AYE.
OUR NEXT CASE IS TO BE D THREE.
RHONDA DUNNS, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING DISCUSSION ITEM D THREE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2002 COMMERCE STREET IN THE HARWOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH 3 42 R D.
THE REQUEST IS TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO PREVIOUSLY APPROVED NEW CONSTRUCTION.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, THE CONDITIONS BEING AS FOLLOWS, THAT BRICK COLOR THREE BE ALTERED TO MATCH.
THE PREDOMINANT BRICK COLOR OF THE MAIN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BUILDING ARE BE ALTERED TO A LIGHTER NEUTRAL COLOR.
AND THAT BLACK METAL PANELS BE REPLACED WITH RECTANGULAR CANOPIES IN A LIGHTER, NEUTRAL COLOR.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CRITERIA PRESENTED IN THE DOCUMENT QUESTION TASK FORCE TASK TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, RAYS HEIGHT, FORM, AND CORNERS OF THE PARAPET ON THE SECTION OF COMMERCE STREET FACADE, WHICH HAS A BRICK COLOR THREE TO MATCH THE SAME HEIGHT FORM, AND CORNERS OF PARAPET ON THE SECTION OF THE COMMERCE STREET FACADE, WHICH HAS BRICK COLOR ONE.
AND IT APPEARS THAT, UM, NEW PLANS WERE SUBMITTED AFTER THAT TASK FORCE MEETING WITH THE REQUESTED ALTERATIONS.
UM, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS.
THE FIRST TWO SIGN UP WAS IAN ONG.
BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
MY NAME IS Y O UH, ADDRESS IS 1,217 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 0 2.
AND YOU PROMISE JUST SWEAR TO TELL US THE TRUTH? YES.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DISCUSS YOUR PROJECT WITH US, AND THEN LATER WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS.
I'M REALLY JUST HERE TO, UH, MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE, UH, GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, A FEW TIMES NOW, AND WE, WE'VE ATTEMPTED AND LISTENED AND TAKEN THE SUGGESTIONS WHICH WE FEEL HAVE BEEN PRODUCTIVE AND HAVE IMPROVED THE PROJECT.
AND WE ARE, UM, WE HAVE REVISED OUR, UH, DRAWINGS TO COMPLY WITH THE LATEST, UH, APPROVAL CONDITIONAL APPROVALS, UH, THAT WERE ISSUED BY THE TASK FORCE.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, A POSITIVE OUTCOME AND, UH, AND ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
SO I'LL JUST FROM WITH THAT, I'LL JUST MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ONLINE COMMISSIONER GIBSON HAS JOINED US.
I KEEP SEEING HIM FLASH ON AND OFF.
AM I INCORRECT IN THIS? ANYBODY ELSE KNOW BETTER? YES, HE IS HERE.
AS LONG AS SOMEBODY HAS TO SEE HIM.
UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER REGISTERED SPEAKER FOR THIS ONE, LISA RICCI.
PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY ADDRESS IS 616 SOUTH HARWOOD STREET.
AND YOU, UH, SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MA'AM.
I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO SHARE IT.
YOU'RE ON YOUR CITY HALL WIFI.
UM, AM YOU LOG THE, OH, I'M SORRY.
OH, HOW DO I LOG INTO THE MEETING? I, I, UM, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DO THAT? DO YOU HAVE THE LINK FROM THE EMAIL? OKAY.
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NO, I DUNNO.THAT IS, IT'S IT'S CITY HALL, CORRECT? THE WIFI? YES.
IS, UH, TRYING TO FIND CONNECTION.
WELL, I'M NOT GETTING ON THE WIFI FOR SOME REASON.
WELL, IT'S UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE THE ONE IMAGE THAT I WANTED TO SHOW IS, UH, OKAY.
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE IMAGE EMAILED TO STAFF TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION? UM, IF, IF THAT WILL WORK BETTER, BUT I THINK THE ISSUE IS GETTING ON THE INTERNET AT ALL RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS, IF IT'S THE SAME IN IMAGE THAT WAS SENT TO US.
UM, COULD JUST GET IT FROM, FROM THERE.
UM, YOU'D THINK WE COULD, YEAH.
UM, ADRIAN IS OVER THERE HELPING HER RIGHT NOW.
ADRIAN IS OF COURSE OUR TECH EXPERT.
RHONDA, DO YOU HAVE THAT IMAGE? I DO NOT.
I THINK IT WAS A PRIOR, UM, VERSION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WELL, I'M NOT FINDING IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT HERE.
I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY EMAIL RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, I LOOKED AT IT, BUT IT WAS AN OLDER VERSION OF WHAT THE PROJECT CURRENTLY IS.
SO DID YOU SEND IT TO NO, I HAVEN'T SENT IT.
I HAVE NOT SHARED AN IMAGE IN THE PAST.
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SORRY, I HAVE NEVER SHARED AN IMAGE BEFORE.THEY CAN START WITH MY THREE MINUTES.
SO I AM A STAKEHOLDER JUST OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC HARDWOOD DISTRICT.
I OWN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL PRODUCE WAREHOUSES, UH, TO THE FARMER'S MARKET.
I'M A PUBLIC HEALTH NURSE WORKING WITH UT SOUTHWESTERN IN CULINARY MEDICINE, NUTRITION AND AGRICULTURE.
BUT I DID INVEST IN THIS PROPERTY EXPECTING THE FARMER'S MARKET TO BE A THRIVING DAILY DESTINATION.
NOW, MY TAXES WENT IN 10 YEARS, FROM 16,000 A YEAR TO $35,000 A YEAR BECAUSE THE NEW BUILDINGS, UH, AND THE TIFF FUNDING.
BUT THEY HAVE TAKEN UP EVERY INCH OF ALLOWABLE SIDEWALK SPACE, WHICH HAS KILLED WALKABILITY AND PROVIDES NO RETAIL OPPORTUNITY.
I NOW RENT MY SPACE FOR PODCASTS BECAUSE IT IS SO QUIET ON THE STREET.
I HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THE FIRST BUILDING GOING UP.
AND, UM, THIS ADDITION, UM, WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE MEETING, ONE OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS ASKED WITH OUTRAGE, HOW DID WE GET HERE? WE GOT HERE BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL HARDWOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCE IN 1998 REQUIRED A SETBACK OF THE BUILDINGS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE, UM, BOTH THE BUILDINGS, BUT ALSO THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK SO THAT WHEN SOMEONE WALKS DOWN THE SIDEWALK, THEY DO, THEY CAN APPRECIATE ALL OF THE BUILDINGS AS THEY WALK THROUGH OR DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, AND THE FIRST BUILDING, UM, THAT, UM, WAS PROPOSED, UH, ALSO HAD A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT ADVOCATE FOR, OR, OR ADVOCATE CONSULT SO THAT, UM, THE DEVELOPER COULD USE THE LANGUAGE TO GET AROUND THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THERE IS NO SETBACK REQUIRED.
IT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND, UM, THE FIRST BUILDING WAS SEVEN STORIES, AND IT WAS ANNOUNCED THAT THEY WERE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR NINE STORIES THE DAY AFTER IT WAS APPROVED.
SO, UM, THE REASON THE FIRST BUILDING WAS APPROVED BECAUSE THE, UM, ARCHITECT CAME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN WITH THE MINUTIAE OF THE BUILDING JUST LIKE NOW, BRICK, UH, UH, UH, THE COLOR OF THE BRICK.
UM, BUT WE ARE IGNORING THE ONLY ORDINANCE THAT STILL IS ON THE BOOKS, WHICH IS DOES THIS BUILDING OVERPOWER THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES? THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IS THE GEORGE DOLL BUILDING THE ON THE RIGHT.
THE OTHERS ARE, UM, UH, NOT, NOT CONTRIBUTING THEIR, THE OTHER WORD COLLABORATING OR THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT ARCHITECTURE.
SO, UM, WE FIND OURSELVES HERE AGAIN, TALKING ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE BRICK AND THE SIZE OF THE BANDS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WHEN CLEARLY THIS MONSTROSITY IS, HAS NO CORRELATION.
WHEN IS YOUR TIME? CAN I HAVE A FEW MORE MINUTES? I MOVE THAT THE APPLICANT BE GIVEN TWO MORE MINUTES.
ALL THOSE WHO HAVE APPROVE WITH THIS SAY AYE.
SO, UM, SO NOW WE HAVE A SIDEWALK WITH, UH, NO SETBACK, WHERE THE PEDESTRIANS WILL NOT, WILL BOTH HAVE A COMPLETELY OBSTRUCTED VIEW OF THE BUILDINGS TO THE SOUTH, LIKE THE GREEN DOME OF THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, AND THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE U N T LAW SCHOOL OR, UM, ANY OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS ALONG THE WAY.
UM, SO THIS BUILDING VIOLATES THE SPIRIT, ALTHOUGH, UM, AND UM, ALSO THE ENTRANCE IS AT THE CORNER.
SO ALL OF THE STUDENTS FROM U N T IN PARTICULAR, THE PRESCHOOLERS GOING TO THE PARK WILL HAVE TO NAVIGATE THAT.
THE PARK ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE HAD TO BE REDESIGNED BECAUSE THEY LOST THEIR VIEW.
AND, UH, AS A WONDERFUL CHILDREN'S PARK WITH SUSTAINABLE LESSONS AND GREEN DESIGN TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN ABOUT, UH, THE ATMOSPHERE IN WHICH THEY LIVE.
SO CURRENTLY THE LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
DOES THIS CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, DOES THIS, UH, OVERPOWER THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES? IF YOU BELIEVE IT DOES NOT, YOU CAN VOTE YES.
IF YOU BELIEVE IT DOES, UH, YOU WOULD VOTE NO.
I'VE BEEN THROUGH, BEEN WITH THIS, UH, SITUATION FOR FIVE YEARS, AND I'M HERE MOSTLY BECAUSE I HAVE TO LIVE WITH MYSELF THAT I HAVE INFORMED YOU AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE YOUR DECISION.
AND WHEN THERE'S PUBLIC OUTCRY AND NATIONAL IS A STAIN ON OUR CITY, UM, YOU
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WILL KNOW HOW YOU VOTED.NOW IS TIME FOR, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR OUR SPEAKERS.
UH, I, OH, COMMISSIONER SWAN, GO AHEAD.
I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE MOST RECENT SPEAKER.
UH, HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT THE APPLICANT ADDRESSED THE ISSUE OF THE OVER DOMINANCE OF THE BUILDING MM-HMM.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT THIS BUILDING IS, UH, THERE'S ONLY A, UM, A COUPLE OF DOZEN FEET OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WHAT WOULD BE OPTIMAL IS IF THE BUILDING, EVEN IF IT WAS TALLER, WOULD NOT BE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THERE WOULD BE NO ISSUE.
BUT OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ECONOMICS INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT IF THERE WERE A 45 DEGREE ANGLE CUT AT THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING SO THAT THERE WAS SAFE PASSAGEWAY AND AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF A VIEW, IT WOULD BE A, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT.
BUT, UM, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE CUT ON THE CORNER? YEAH, JUST ON THE, YOU KNOW, I HAD, UM, I THINK I HAD, UH, COME HERE A PREVIOUS TIME AND SHARED ANOTHER VIEW WHERE THERE WAS, UM, A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING IN PARIS THAT, UH, THE, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF BEING AN APEX, JUST THAT LITTLE SLICE OF THE CORNER AND THEN THERE WAS, UH, ACTIVITY, LIKE A CAFE ON THE CORNER WHERE PEOPLE WOULD ENJOY.
BUT I MEAN, UH, THE FIRST BUILDING WAS APPROVED UNFORTUNATELY, AND THERE WAS NO SETBACKS.
SO, UM, THAT CAUSES A NARROW SIDEWALK.
BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE APEX OF THE CORNER, IT REALLY IS A PROBLEM WITH THE DOWNTOWN 360 PLAN SAFETY, STREET SAFETY, YOU KNOW, I'M QUITE CONCERNED THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOMEONE ON A BICYCLE KILLED OR, OR THESE CHILDREN TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET AND THEY CAN'T GET AROUND THAT CORNER.
AND, AND THE CURRENT BUILDING IS AT THE SAME SETBACK AS THE FIRST BUILDING THAT WAS APPROVED, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, UM, THAT'S NOT CORRECT.
I MEAN, IT'S, UH, THE FIRST BUILDING IS, UH, USES UP EVERY INCH OF ALLOWABLE SPACE.
THERE WAS NO, IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT THE BUILDING HAD TO BE SET BACK 15 FEET.
SO THERE WASN'T ANYTHING TO SAY THAT THEY COULDN'T DO, THAT THEY WERE, THEY HIRED A PRESERVATION CONSULTANT WHO HELPED THEM GET AROUND THE LANGUAGE OR WHATEVER ELSE THAT CONSULTANT DID TO PERSUADE THE LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE IT.
UM, SO THIS CURRENT ONE, I, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY.
YEAH, IT'S ON THE SAME PLANE, BUT IT, AT THIS POINT, I THINK I NEED A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF DR.
THE CURRENT DESIGN, AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN HAS HAD TO ADDRESS THAT DUE TO DALLAS CITY CODE REGARDING LINES OF SIGHT AND VISIBILITY TRIANGLES.
SO FOR BOTH THE JACKSON STREET HARDWOOD STREET INTERSECTION AND NOW THE COMMERCE STREET HARDWOOD STREET INTERSECTION, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE 45 OR THE 90 DEGREE ANGLE.
IN OTHER WORDS, LET ME SHOW YOU, LET ME SHARE RIGHT QUICK.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, THAT THERE COULD NOT BE A 45 CUTOFF THERE, BECAUSE, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, NO, NO.
NOW THERE IS A, UM, CAN YOU SEE MY SCREEN YET? UH, OKAY.
SEE ON MY SCREEN NOW, THERE IS, AS MS. RICHIE IS SAYING, A 90 DEGREE ANGLE AT BOTH CORNERS, BECAUSE THAT IS CITY COLD.
WHAT WE'VE BROUGHT BEFORE THE COMMISSION LAST TIME, THERE WAS CONCERN BY THE TASK FORCE FOR THIS FLOATING CORNER.
BUT THE REASON FOR THE FLOATING CORNER IS TO PROVIDE LINES OF SIGHT, TO PROVIDE VIEW CORRIDORS TO PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS AS WELL AS VISIBILITY FOR DRIVERS.
SO HE HAS TO HAVE, HE, IN OTHER WORDS, EVEN THOUGH HIS INITIAL DESIGN FOR THE ORIGINAL BUILDING DID NOT HAVE THE 90 DEGREE ANGLE, HE HAS TO HAVE THAT IN THE CURRENT DESIGN, WHICH HE HAS ADDED, AND IT HAD TO BE ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN BECAUSE OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 51, A
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4, 6 0 2.SO WHAT IS BEING ASKED HAS BE ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED, IS WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, I GUESS IT'S THE ENTRANCE UNDER THE PEAK OF THE CORNER.
AND THAT IS, NOW, AS MS. RICCI IS PROPOSING, THERE'S A CAFE THERE AND THERE IS NOW A 90 DEGREE ANGLE ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU SEE THERE, 45 FEET FROM, UH, WHAT IS THAT? HARVARD STREET AND 45 FEET FROM COMMERCE STREET, IT NOW COMPLIES WITH DALLAS CITY CODE.
IT'S THE, IT'S THE FIRST FLOOR.
OH, UNDER THE RIGHT, THE FIRST FLOOR UNDER THE 90 DEGREE OVERHANG.
WHICH MAKES FOR SAFER PASSAGE, BUT IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE VIEW.
I THINK I'VE BEEN CONFUSED BY WHAT YOU MEAN BY 90 DEGREES, CUZ I WAS THINKING OF LIKE THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING ITSELF COMING TO.
BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A RIGHT ANGLE TRIANGLE, RIGHT? UH, WITH 40.
IN OTHER WORDS, UH, YES, WITH 45 DEGREE VERTICES.
MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION IF MR. SLOAN IS DONE, UM, MR. SLOAN, UM, I, I ACTUALLY WANT SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOMETHING, MS. RICCI, UM, WHEN YOU SAID YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THE BUILDING SORT OF CUT OFF AT 45 DEGREES AT THE CORNER, DO YOU JUST MEAN THE SECOND LEVEL THERE OF THAT BASE BECAUSE THE REST OF THE BUILDING ALREADY STEPS BACK ABOVE THAT LEVEL? THE REST OF THE BUILDING STEPS BACK, I KNOW THERE'S NO VISUAL.
BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT HERE SHOWS THAT THE TALL PART OF THE BUILDING STEPS BACK SOME ANYWAY.
YEAH, THIS IS THE CURRENT DESIGN, UHHUH
AND SO THERE IS A SETBACK AT LEVEL THREE AND THERE IS FOR VISIBILITY, THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AT THE CORNER NOW.
WELL, AND HE HAS ADDED A CAFE RETAIL SPACE, ET CETERA.
I SURE HOPE THAT IS NOT A BAIT AND SWITCH.
BUT THAT'S, WELL THAT'S NOT A LANDMARK COMMISSION ISSUE.
WE, WE, WE ATTEMPT TO, UM, ENFORCE OUR RULINGS AND IF WE SAY YOU CAN HAVE ONE THING, YOU CANNOT CHOOSE ANOTHER AND JUST SAY IT'S THE SAME THING.
WELL, UM, NO, I THINK JOANNA HAMPTON HAD SOMETHING.
WELL, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M GONNA ASK THEN IS, SO THE ONLY, UH, SECTION THAT WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE OVERBEARING NATURE OF THE BUILDING OR RESTRICTING THE VIEW WOULD BE THAT SECOND LEVEL? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
AND I MEAN, DO YOU FEEL THAT THAT STILL, UM, UH, AS, AS EVEN WITH THE, THE SETBACK ABOVE IT, UH, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE STREET AND, AND THE ANGLE THAT IT OCCLUDES FROM LIKE A, A PERSPECTIVE FROM THE STREET THAT, UH, THAT IS AN OFFENSIVE, OVERBEARING, UH, FEATURE? CORRECT.
THAT IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES, THAT A NEW CONSTRUCTION NOT OVERPOWER THE EXISTING CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
SO IN MY OPINION, THIS BUILDING HAS NO PLACE IN BEING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IT'S ONLY A FEW, IT'S ONLY A COUPLE DOZEN FEET THAT IS THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND THIS BUILDING IS QUITE LARGE ALL THE WAY BACK, ALMOST GOES BACK TO, UH, THE STREET BEHIND IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DID, UH, APPROACH THE DEVELOPERS AND SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE HAVING SUCH TROUBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHY DON'T YOU JUST ADD A COUPLE OF FLOORS TO THE ENTIRE THING AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT OUT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND BASICALLY THE ANSWER WAS THAT, UM, THE ELEVATOR WOULD BE TOO EXPENSIVE, SO LET US MAKE NO, UH, MISTAKE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS, DOESN'T REALLY HAVE, UH, ANY PRIORITY FOR THE CIVIC EXPERIENCE.
AND IT IS A, MY OPINION OF PREDATORY DEVELOPMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? PE IS THE SETBACK ALONG, UM, COMMERCE STREET STARTING AT THE THIRD FLOOR, IS IT SET BACK TO, TO THE SAME AMOUNT ON HARDWOOD OR THAT IS LESS, WE NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT.
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YEAH.SO THE SETBACKS, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM EITHER, UH, FROM EITHER SIDE.
FOR THE PURPOSE OF, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY LOOKING AT THE BUILDING, THEY WILL APPEAR THE SAME.
BUT THEY WILL APPEAR THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE NOT, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BY INCHES.
I DON'T ACTUALLY RECALL WHAT THEY ARE BECAUSE THE, THE, BECAUSE THE FEATURES OF THE BUILDING, THE PROPERTY LINE IS NOT EXACTLY STRAIGHT EITHER.
UH, SO IT DEPENDS ON WHERE THAT PHASE OF THE BUILDING IS.
AND BECAUSE THE, THE GROUND LEVEL TRIES TO FOLLOW THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, THE UPPER LEVEL HAS TO VARY FROM IT A BIT.
SO, BUT IT IS ABOUT, IT IS ABOUT FIVE FEET.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, CHAIR, I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP.
I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANS THAT ARE IN THE, UM, CASE REPORT ON LEVEL THREE.
I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT, AND I'M GONNA GET MY ORIENTATION WRONG.
THE OFFSET FROM HARWOOD STREET IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET, BUT ON CARER STREET, WHEN YOU GET TO LEVEL THREE, THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S MAYBE CLOSER TO 15 FEET SETBACK, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THAT WILL BE TO THE FACE OF THE GLAZING.
UM, IF YOU, IF WE CAN GO BACK, GO TO THAT EXHIBIT, I CAN DESCRIBE THIS BETTER PROBABLY TO THE WHAT MS. DUNN.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, IT'S A PLAN OR IF YOU'VE GOT A DIFFERENT VIEW.
SO YOU CAN, UM, SEE THE OFFSETS.
AND AGAIN, THIS WOULD BE AT LEVEL THREE BECAUSE I THINK AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND MR. ON, CORRECT ME, LEVEL TWO IS EFFECTIVELY TWO, IT'S A FIVE FOOT SETBACK ON HARDWOOD, BUT IT'S TO THE PROPERTY LINE ON COMMERCE.
WHEN YOU GET TO LEVEL THREE, THE TOWER STEPS BACK FROM COMMERCE AND THEN HAS, I GUESS A A NO OR JUST, UM, RESOLVES ITSELF AT THE ANGLE OF THE STREET ON HARDWOOD.
BUT IS, DOES THIS HELP YOU BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT, THE TWO SETBACKS OR IS A PLAN VIEW EASIER? THE PLAN VIEW WILL BE EASIER.
AND SO IT'S PAGE D 3 38 IN THE CASE REPORT.
I THAT'S LEVEL, THE GROUND LEVEL AND THE SECOND FLOOR PLAN.
AND THEN THE THIRD AND FOURTH PLANS ARE OKAY.
IT'S JUST, I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE NETWORK RIGHT NOW.
DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE NETWORK? NO.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT ANY SHERIFF? YEAH.
OH, YOU HAVE TO? OH NO, SHE CAN.
DO YOU BY ANY CHANCE HAVE THE FLOOR PLANS THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE MORE QUICKLY? UH, NOT ON, ON THAT DEVICE.
LET ME, LET ME HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME HERE.
UM, IF I COULD ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, ARE YOU ASKING IF THE SETBACK OF THE, THE WALL THAT GOES UP FROM THE SECOND LEVEL IS THE SAME SETBACK ON BOTH STREETS FROM THE BRICK FACE OF THE, AND I, CUZ I THINK WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY IS IT WAS A FIVE INCH DIFFERENCE AND I, IT APPEARS IT LOOKS MUCH DIFFERENT IN AN AXONOMETRIC, THAT CORNER VIEW THAT WE SAW.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT MUCH FURTHER ON COMMERCE, WHICH SORT OF SEEMS APPROPRIATE ACTUALLY THAT IT WOULD BE SET BACK FURTHER FROM THERE THAN FROM THIS SIDE.
SO IF YOU GO TO PAGE 13 OF THE PDF,
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UH, PAGE 13, SORRY, UH, GO, GO BACK TO YEAH, THAT ONE 13 OF THE PLANS.SO I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IS IT'S 15 FEET TO THE, UM, TO THE CAFE GLASS.
RIGHT? IF YOU ZOOM INTO THE SECTION DIAGRAM TO THE LEFT CORNER THERE.
THERE'S NINE, EIGHT FROM, UM, IF YOU ZOOM INTO THE, YEAH, THE E EXACTLY THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE TO THE LEFT, THAT DIAGRAM, THE BUILDING SECTION DIAGRAM, THE CAFE IS 15, UH, 15 FOOT 10 FROM THE FACE OF THE SECOND FLOOR FACADE.
AND THEN THE, UH, ON THE THIRD LEVEL, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE SECOND LEVEL AND THE THIRD LEVEL FACADE IS 10 FEET.