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>> YOU'RE WATCHING THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WITH MAYOR ERIC L. JOHNSON.

MAYOR PRO TEM CAROLYN KING ARNOLD.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM OMAR NARVAEZ.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, CHAD WEST, JESSE MORENO, CASEY THOMAS II, JAIME RESENDEZ, ADAM BAZALDUA, TENNELL ATKINS, PAULA BLACKMON, ADAM MCGOUGH, JAYNIE SCHULTZ, CARA MENDELSOHN, GAY DONNELL WILLIS, PAUL RIDLEY, AND CITY MANAGER, T.C.

BROADNAX, CITY SECRETARY, BILIERAE JOHNSON, AND CITY ATTORNEY TAMMY PALOMINO.

>> ALL RIGHT MEMBERS, IF YOU WILL TAKE YOUR SEATS.

WE'LL GET STARTED HERE.

WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

GOOD MORNING TO EVERYONE OUT THERE LISTENING.

TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, MAY 3, 2023.

THE TIME IS 9:19 AM, AND I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

[LAUGHTER] TODAY'S INVOCATION SPEAKER, AND WE SHOULD BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE GOT WORK TO DO TODAY.

[Invocation and Pledge of Allegiance]

OUR INVOCATION SPEAKER IS CHAPLAIN ELAINE MADDOX.

SHE WORKS FOR DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO HER NOW TO TRY TO GET US TO COME TO ORDER AND CENTER US. THANK YOU.

>> YOUR MICROPHONE.

>> HELLO. THERE WE GO.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER.

IF YOU BOW YOUR HEADS, PLEASE.

WE PAUSE OUR HEARTS TO REFLECT THIS MORNING ON THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY IN MAY WE INVITE YOU TO JOIN US.

WITH A THANKFUL, GRATEFUL HEART WE GATHER HERE TODAY FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE, FROM EVERY AREA OF THE CITY WE COME TO FIRST SAY, THANK YOU FOR OUR GREAT CITY OF DALLAS.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY YOU'VE GIVEN EACH OF US TO SERVE.

HOW PRIVILEGED WE ARE, HOW BLESSED WE ARE TO CALL DALLAS OUR HOME, AND WE NEVER TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED.

WE THE PEOPLE ARE DALLAS AND THE OPPORTUNITIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE ENDLESS.

HELP US TO LOOK IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR AT HOW FAR WE'VE COME AND LOOK TO THE FUTURE WITH A FIRM TRUST IN OUR UNWAVERING FAITH.

BE WITH AND BLESS EACH PERSON WHO CHOOSES TO SERVE IN ANY CAPACITY IN THIS CITY.

BY WORKING TOGETHER, OUR POSSIBILITIES ARE BOUNDLESS.

BE WITH THIS MEETING TODAY, TAKE WHAT HAS BEEN PREPARED AND MULTIPLY OUR EFFORTS AS ONLY YOU CAN DO.

WE ASK FOR GUIDANCE, SO WE MIGHT WALK FULLY IN YOUR BLESSING AND IN YOUR GOODNESS.

ESTABLISH THE WORK OF OUR HANDS AND BRING TO FULFILLMENT ALL THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US TO DO ON THIS DAY AND THE DAYS TO COME.

WE ASK NOT OUR PLANS, NOT OUR AGENDA, NOT OUR WORDS, BUT YOUR WORDS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOUR PLAN AND YOUR GOALS FOR DALLAS GREATLY EXCEED ANYTHING IN OUR IMAGINATION OR ANYTHING THAT WE COULD EXPECT.

IN CLOSING, I THANK YOU, LORD, FOR ALLOWING ME TO SERVE DALLAS FIREFIGHTERS AND THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS FOR 40 YEARS.

I'VE BEEN BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE BY THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH AND BY BEING AFFILIATED WITH HIS GREAT CITY. AMEN. [APPLAUSE]

>> IF WE'LL PLEASE RISE EVERYONE WHO'S HERE FOR OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I HAVE ONE ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO

[Special Presentations]

CHAIRWOMAN BLACKMON ANNOUNCEMENT AND THEN I

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HAVE A SPECIAL PRESENTATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

LET ME START WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT.

I PROCLAIM THIS MONTH OF MAY AS JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED ANNUALLY BY THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS SINCE THE YEAR 2006 AS AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND CELEBRATION OF AMERICAN JEWS ACHIEVEMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I'M PLEASED TO JOIN MANY OTHER MAYORS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND RECOGNIZING JEWISH CULTURE, HISTORY, AND CONTRIBUTIONS TO OUR COUNTRY DURING THIS PARTICULAR MONTH.

NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAIRWOMAN BLACKMON FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

COLLEAGUES, MANY OF YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE FENTANYL SITUATION AND EPIDEMIC THAT'S BEEN COMING THROUGH OUR COUNTRY AND OUR STATE AND NOW OUR CITY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL WITH A DEAR FRIENDS WHOSE SON PASSED AWAY.

WHEN I GOT THE MESSAGE SITTING RIGHT HERE ON A WEDNESDAY MORNING OF AN ADDRESS THAT I KNEW AND IT WAS A FENTANYL POISONING.

I'VE BEEN DOWN AT AUSTIN MANY TIMES ADVOCATING FOR THIS DEADLY DRUG TO BE REALLY MONITORED AND PROVIDE SAFETY IN FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR ADULTS.

ON TUESDAY IT'S A FENTANYL AWARENESS DAY AND WE'RE HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE, AND I INVITE ALL OF YOU TO JOIN US AT NOON TO HEAR FROM THE MOTHER OF MY SON'S DEAR FRIEND, WHO WILL BE SPEAKING.

IT IS HARD, BUT SHE HAS AGREED TO COME BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT PARENTS TO GO THROUGH THIS.

IT IS AN EPIDEMIC.

IT IS KILLING ONE SIGN EVERY SEVEN MINUTES IN OUR COUNTRY FROM THIS.

WE ARE WORKING HARD AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

AS ALWAYS THINGS GET CAUGHT UP AT THE LAST DAYS, SO WE'RE NOT GIVING UP, WE'RE STILL PRESSURING IT.

WE'VE DONE MANY THINGS IN OUR STRIKE FORCE WITH MY CO-CHAIR [INAUDIBLE] AND OUR TEAMS. WE'VE GOT AN OD MAPPING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE AND WE'VE FOUND A STOP GAP.

WE'VE GOT NARCAN AND WE'RE WORKING, AND I THANK YOU, JON FORTUNE FOR ALL YOUR HELP IN ALL THIS, IN GETTING NARCAN INTO HANDS OF EVERYBODY.

WITH THAT, I HOPE YOU CAN JOIN US AT NOON ON TUESDAY.

I HAVE A RESOLUTION.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT, BUT I DO THINK MR. BAZALDUA HAS A FEW COMMENTS, BUT I WELCOME EACH OF YOU TO COME AND BE A PART OF THIS, SPREAD THE WORD INTO YOUR COMMUNITIES BECAUSE ONE PILL CAN KILL AND IT DOESN'T NEED TO. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> MR. MAYOR.

>> YES. MR. BAZALDUA, FOR PURPOSES.

>> WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE PROCLAMATION.

>> SURE, GO AHEAD.

>> I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE WHEREAS IN THE PROCLAMATION THAT'S BEEN WRITTEN.

I THINK IT'S VERY EYE-OPENING AND IT'S A PART OF THE AWARENESS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO SPREAD WITH THIS OPIOID CRISIS.

FENTANYL IS BEING FOUND IN EVERY TYPE OF ILLICIT SUBSTANCE, WHICH LEADS TO MORE OVERDOSES AND DEATHS BECAUSE FENTANYL IS 50 TIMES MORE POTENT THAN HEROIN AND 100 TIMES STRONGER THAN MORPHINE.

FENTANYL TAKES THE LIVES OF MORE AMERICANS NOW UNDER THE AGE OF 50 THAN ANY OTHER CAUSE OF DEATH IN OUR COUNTRY, INCLUDING HEART DISEASE, CANCER, HOMICIDE, AND SUICIDE.

THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM AND IT'S TOUCHING ALL CORNERS OF LIFE.

THIS IS NOT JUST FOR RECREATIONAL USE DRUGS, BUT ALSO FOR THINGS THAT WERE BEING LACED THAT YOU BELIEVE ARE OTHER SUBSTANCES.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS AWARENESS CAMPAIGN TO CONTINUE TO GROW AND FOR US TO HAVE THE HARD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR KIDS AND MAKE SURE THAT THE NEXT GENERATION HAS THE NECESSARY KNOWLEDGE GOING FORWARD.

I PERSONALLY HAVE A STORY AS WELL WITH MY SISTER.

THE FIRST DEATH THAT I REMEMBER AS A CHILD FROM NOT NATURAL CAUSES WAS HER BOYFRIEND WHO OVERDOSED ON HEROIN.

MY SISTER HAS BEEN UNSHELTERED FOR A LITTLE OVER TEN YEARS NOW, AND SHE HAS HAD HER OWN STRUGGLE WITH OPIOID AND SUBSTANCE USE.

I FEAR TO GET A TEXT MESSAGE OR A CALL ON ANY GIVEN DAY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE'S DOING.

IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONTINUE TO NOT ONLY RAISE AWARENESS, BUT CREATE MORE RESOURCES AND TOOLS FOR LOCALITIES TO PROVIDE FOR THOSE WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH SUBSTANCE USE AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE OPIOID CRISIS.

SO I AM PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE.

I WANT TO THANK THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, JOHN CRUSOE FOR HIS LEADERSHIP IN HELPING US GET WHERE WE HAVE GOTTEN WITH THE LEGISLATION.

BUT ALSO WANT TO THANK OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND HER OFFICE FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT THEY HAVE DONE TO COLLABORATE WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY AND OUR STRIKE FORCE TO BRING IN RESULTS FOR OUR CITY.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WELL, AT THIS TIME,

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I'M GOING TO ASK CHAPLAIN MAX PLEASE, ACTUALLY COME BACK TO THE PODIUM IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.

BECAUSE I ACTUALLY WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO A FEW OTHER FOLKS.

I THINK YOU ARE HERE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS AS WELL.

BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, CHAPLAIN MADDOX IS A GRADUATE OF DALLAS BAPTIST UNIVERSITY.

SHE HAS TIRELESSLY SERVED THE DALLAS FIRE RESCUE FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS.

SHE WAS A VOLUNTEER FOR THE FIRST 25 OF THOSE YEARS, FAITHFULLY CARING FOR BOTH FIREFIGHTERS AND FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

IN 2007, THE DEPARTMENT MADE THE VERY SMART DECISION TO HIRE HER AS A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, WHERE SHE BEGAN WORKING IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE AND THEN IN 2010, SHE TRANSITIONED TO THE ROLE OF CHAPLIN WHICH SHE SERVES IN TODAY.

MANY PEOPLE HAVE COUNTED ON CHAPLAIN MADDOX AS A TRUSTED MENTOR, AS A COMPANION, AS A GUIDING LIGHT OVER THE YEARS AND BEYOND HER DUTIES WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, SHE'S BEEN A LEADER IN OUR COMMUNITY BY VOLUNTEERING FOR NON-PROFITS LIKE CARRY THE LOAD.

SHE'S EVEN ESTABLISHED A SCHOLARSHIP PROGRAM WITH HER HUSBAND TO BENEFIT THE CHILDREN OF FALLEN FIREFIGHTERS.

CHAPLAIN MADDOX I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE RETIRING VERY SOON AND ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A JOB WELL DONE.

WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF YOU AND OF YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR DEDICATION TO OUR CITY SINCE 1981.

AND NOW I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALLY PRESENT YOU WITH A SPECIAL RECOGNITION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

WE'LL TAKE IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, A PHOTO WITH YOU AND THE COUNCIL AND THEN I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE HERE TODAY WHO WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

I'LL ALLOW YOU TO SAY SOMETHING IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT WE WANT TO TAKE A PHOTO WITH YOU AND EXPRESS AS A FULL COUNCIL OUR APPRECIATION TO YOU.

CHAPLAIN MADDOX, IF YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING, PLEASE DO AND THEN I THINK SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE SOME THINGS TO SAY AS WELL AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES AS WELL.

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY HOW PRIVILEGED I FEEL TO HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR 47 YEARS.

GUYS DON'T REALIZE THE IMPACT THAT YOU HAVE ON THE COMMUNITY AND HOW YOU BRING MANY PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE THEM, I CAN LOOK AROUND THIS ROOM AND SEE MANY OF YOU THAT MAKE US FEEL A PART OF THE COMMUNITY OF DALLAS.

I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THING.

WE LIVE WITH MY HUSBAND WHO'S A RETIRED LIEUTENANT, STEVE MAX WHO'S HERE TODAY. MY DAUGHTER, KAYLA.

WE LIVE OUT NEAR STATION 12, WHICH IS VERY FAR SOUTHWEST.

WE'VE HAD VERY GOOD COUNCIL MEMBERS, INCLUDING CASEY THOMAS OVER THE YEARS [INAUDIBLE] INTO DALLAS AND MADE US FEEL WELCOME AND WANT TO BE OUR PART.

I'VE SENT YOU AN EMAIL THIS MORNING ABOUT 02:00 A.M MAYOR, BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS AND HOW OPEN YOU'VE BEEN ABOUT YOUR LIFE AND WHY YOU HAVE A PASSION WHY YOU HAVE A FEELING FOR THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO PROMOTE THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE BEEN PRIVILEGED TO WORK WITH SOME VERY GOOD PEOPLE IN THE DALLAS FIRE RISKY DEPARTMENT.

HONESTLY, I'LL TELL YOU, I DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE ME AT AGE 53, BUT THEY DID AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR WHAT I'VE BEEN.

MOST FIREFIGHTERS WILL TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE NOT REGRETTED A DAY THEY'VE COME TO WORK BECAUSE IT'S A CALLING AND I FEEL THE SAME WAY I'VE LIVED EVERY DAY OF IT.

[APPLAUSE] I ALSO WANT TO THANK CHIEF ARTIST.

HE'S A GOOD ADVOCATE FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND I KNOW HE HAS STOOD IN THE COMMAND STAFF.

I CAN COUNT ON ANY TIME AND THAT MEANS A LOT ALSO.

>> WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AGAIN, I WANT TO LET YOU STAY THERE FOR A MINUTE AND I'LL LET SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE SOMETHING THEY'D LIKE TO SAY, SAY THEM TO YOU SINCE SO YOU CAN SEE THEM BETTER FROM THERE.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TAKE THE SEAT OF HONOR RIGHT THERE FOR A MINUTE AND LET YOUR COLLEAGUES SAY SOME THINGS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SAY.

IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STAYING THERE, I WILL RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN THOMAS, FIRST. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES SIR.

>> FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAPLAIN MADDOX, FROM DAY 1 OF MY TIME AND SERVICE, YOU'VE BEEN THERE.

WE LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU HAVE BEEN SUCH A HELP TO ME.

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WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR HUSBAND AS FAR AS DBU I WAS REALLY EXCITED AND HONORED BECAUSE I DEVELOPED A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ADMINISTRATION THERE AND SO KNOWING THAT YOU BOTH WILL GRADUALLY AND HE WAS A STAR BASEBALL PLAYER AT THE DBU, REALLY SPOKE VOLUMES.

EVERY TIME I WILL SEE YOU, YOU HAVE SOME ENCOURAGING WORDS FOR ME, EVERY SINGLE TIME.

WE'RE GOING OUT TOGETHER.

I WON'T HAVE TO [LAUGHTER] REACH OUT TO YOU AND SAY WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

BUT IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND PLEASURE AND I KNOW FRIENDSHIPS EXCEED TIMES OF SERVICE AND SO YOU HAVE MY NUMBER, I HAVE YOUR NUMBER, WE'LL STAY IN TOUCH.

WE'LL DEFINITELY SEE EACH OTHER THAT THE DBU AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT AND YOU WILL TRULY, TRULY BE MISSED.

>> CHAIRMAN ADAM MCGOUGH YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. CHAPLAIN MADDOX, YOU HAVE BEEN A FAITHFUL WARRIOR AND ABSOLUTELY WHAT'S BEST ABOUT THIS CITY.

I'VE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME AND HAVE RESPECTED YOU THE ENTIRE TIME AND I'LL ECHO WHAT CHAIRMAN THOMAS SAID.

THE WAY THAT YOU ENCOURAGE OTHERS, ESPECIALLY US, AND AT TIMES WHEN IT'S HARD AND THE WAY THAT YOU CARRY GOD'S LOVE AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IN EVERY ROOM THAT YOU ENTER AND THE WAY YOU ENCOURAGE OUR FIREFIGHTERS, BUT ALL OF THOSE INTERACT IS JUST BEEN REALLY INSPIRING TO WATCH AND DEEPLY THANKFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE, FOR YOUR WILLING TO TAKE THIS ON AND THE WAY THAT YOU LOVED PEOPLE.

HATE TO SEE YOU GO, BUT VERY THANKFUL TO CALL YOU FRIEND.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN ATKINS YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. WHAT CAN YOU SAY? I THINK MY COLLEAGUES, SAID IT ALL.

I KNOW WHEN I FIRST MAKE YOU MANY YEARS AGO THAT YOUR HEART WAS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ESPECIALLY IN THE COMMUNITY.

I NEVER HAD TO ASK YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU JUST DID ON YOUR OWN.

YOU THOUGHT WHAT IS RIGHT? NOT ACTUALLY AS I'M TALKING TO ME BUT ALSO TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND COMING TO DISTRICT 8, IT WAS OF A SHINING STAR IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF DALLAS THAT YOU SHOWED UP AT ALL THE DIFFERENT EVENTS AND YOU'RE CARRYING [INAUDIBLE] RESPECT YOU TO THE FULLEST.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU.

I KNOW DISTRICT 8 REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU.

WITH ALL THE ADVANCE YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO.

BUT YOU DID COME TO THE EVENTS, BUT INSTEAD IT ALL THEN ALL KNOW, WHOEVER CAN FILL YOUR SHOES WHEN YOU LEAVE.

I HOPE YOU STILL HAD YOUR HEART AND SAY THAT A DALLAS ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT 8, BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR SERVING DISTRICT 8.

I KNOW YOU SAID A WHOLE SERIES, BUT YOU SERVED DISTRICT 8 WELL AND [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT 8 RESPECT YOU AND THEY CARE FOR YOU AND THEY REALLY GOING TO MISS YOU. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN BEST DEWEY YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL.

I WON'T BELABOR THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

I THINK YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WILL BE MISSED, BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU ONE THING THAT I'M DEFINITELY GOING TO MISS AND THAT IS ANYTIME YOU ARE PREPARING THE ROOM, YOU HAVE A CONTAGIOUS SMILE.

YOU HAVE AN ENERGY ABOUT YOU THAT GETS EVERYONE ELSE IN A POSITIVE ATTITUDE.

I JUST APPRECIATE HOW MUCH YOU LOVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

ANYTIME I'VE EVER HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, THAT PASSION AND THAT LOVE COMES THROUGH.

I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT POSITIVE ENERGY BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OF AROUND CITY GOVERNMENT AND YOU'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE MISSED.

BUT I WISH YOU LUCK AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT YOUR NEXT CHAPTER.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK BEAUTIFUL WORDS HAVE BEEN SAID ABOUT YOUR SUPPORT FOR US AND OUR RESIDENTS IN DISTRICTS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO ALSO SAY A SPECIAL THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND THEY SEE SO MANY VERY DIFFICULT THINGS, LIFE AND DEATH AND I THINK YOU'VE BEEN THERE AND HELP THEM IN SO MANY WAYS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. JON FORTUNE, MR. PUBLIC SAFETY HIMSELF, GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. ELAINE, I JUST WANTED TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR THE COUNTLESS SACRIFICES THAT YOU HAVE MADE.

I KNOW WE ALL SEE YOU SMILING IN A FORMAL SETTING LIKE THIS, BUT MANY PEOPLE WILL NEVER KNOW THE MIDNIGHT HOURS, THE EARLY MORNING CALLS THAT YOU'VE RESPONDED TO, THE SACRIFICES THAT YOUR FAMILY HAVE MADE TO BE ABLE TO LET YOU SERVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

I KNOW THAT YOU'VE MADE PERSONAL EXPENSES OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET TO SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF THIS DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU JUST SEEMS SHALLOW TO EXPRESS EXACTLY HOW WE FEEL ABOUT YOU AND THE LOSS THAT WE'LL HAVE WITH YOU MOVING ON, BUT WE'RE VERY HAPPY FOR YOU AND WE APPRECIATE AND LOVE YOU VERY MUCH.

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THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU.

>> CHAPLAIN MADDOX, I THINK YOU CAN PICK EITHER SEAT OF HONOR YOU'D LIKE HERE TO BE REGALED BY YOUR COLLEAGUES, BUT CHIEF ARTIS, CHIEF STIDHAM, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO COME ON UP, FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'M CHIEF ARTIS.

IT WAS HARD TRYING TO KEEP THIS SECRET FROM ELAINE ON THE PHONE, BUT AS WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, THE IMPACT THAT SHE'S HAD IN OUR DEPARTMENT, AND THE WAY SHE'S SERVED THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS, SHE DEFINITELY DESERVE TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED FOR THE HARD WORK SHE'S DONE.

ELAINE HAS WORKED TIRELESSLY.

THOSE TEXT MESSAGES THAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHEN A FIREFIGHTER IS HURT OR INJURED, SHE WAS USING THE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO THE HOSPITALS TO TELL US, "HEY, CHIEF, THEY'RE GOING TO BE OKAY.

THEY ONLY HAD A SPRAINED ANKLE OR THEY'LL BE RELEASED PRETTY SOON." THE MANY TIMES THAT SHE PRAYED WITH MEMBERS, THAT SHE HAS LABORED WITH FAMILIES, JUST TRYING TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LIFE LIKE IS TO BE A FIREFIGHTER IS ALL ACCREDITED TO THE HARD WORK THAT ELAINE HAS DONE FOR US.

I'LL BE REMISSED TO SAY WHEN I WAS ASSISTANT CHIEF, I WAS OVER THE CHAPLAINS AND THAT'S WHEN OUR RELATIONSHIP BEGAN AND I WORKED WITH HER HUSBAND YEARS AGO, UNDERSTANDING THE SACRIFICES THAT WE ASKED OUR MEMBERS TO DO ON A DAILY BASIS AND THEY BOTH ACCEPT THAT THE CHALLENGE.

BEING THE CHAPLAIN IS NOT EASY BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.

WE HAVE TWO IN OUR DEPARTMENT AND THEY WORK EVERY DAY ON DIFFERENT ISSUES TO MAKE SURE OUR MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO NOT ONLY BE THEIR BEST AT WORK BUT ALSO FOR THEIR FAMILIES.

ELAINE, FOR ME AND MY COMMAND STAFF, I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU AND THE MADDOX FAMILY WE'RE SO APPRECIATIVE AND THANKFUL FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

WE WILL NEVER FORGET YOU AND YOU'LL ALWAYS BE A PART OF DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS NEW CHAPTER IN YOUR LIFE.

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY OTHER MEMBERS.

>> BRET STIDHAM, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY. I'M THE ONE THAT HOPED THIS DAY WOULD NEVER COME.

THEY WORK DIRECTLY UNDER ME.

WHEN MR. FORTUNE SAID THAT THOSE CALLS AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THAT WAS ME ANSWERING ON THE OTHER END OF THAT LINE AND KNOWING THAT OUR MEMBERS WERE GOING TO BE WELL TAKEN CARE OF, BOTH OUR CHAPLAINS ARE JUST AMAZING.

MISS ELAINE IS THE EPITOME OF WHAT A FIRE DEPARTMENT CHAPLAIN IS.

SHE'S THE REASON THAT WE HAVE FULL-TIME CHAPLAINS.

IT'S DIFFERENT IN A LOT OF CITIES, THEY HAVE RESERVED CHAPLAINS, WE HAVE FULL-FLEDGED MEMBERS THAT ARE THERE FOR US, 24/7 365.

OUR PREVIOUS FIRE CHIEF WOULD TELL HER, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU LOOK LIKE THIS AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AT THE HOSPITAL OR AT A FIRE SCENE, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE ALL THE TIME AND WE'RE TRULY GOING TO MISS YOU.

THANK YOU, STEVE AND FAMILY FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE HER FOR AS LONG AS WE HAVE, AND THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, FOR DOING THIS AND MS. KRISTEN AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

>> JUSTIN BALL, ASSISTANT CHIEF EMERGENCY DALLAS FIRE RESCUE. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

THE 2:00 AM EMAIL, NO SURPRISE BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK ELAINE EVER SLEEPS.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISASTERS, A LOT OF TRAGEDIES AND ELAINE USUALLY BEATS US THERE, SHE'S BEEN AT EVERY ONE, SHE PROVIDES A RAY OF LIGHT AND SOME HOPE AND SHE'S A BIG PART OF WHAT MAKES DALLAS FIRE RESCUE SO RESILIENT.

I'LL JUST SAY, ELAINE, I HOPE YOU'LL BE BLESSED ON THE NEXT LEG OF YOUR JOURNEY AND I SINCERELY WISH YOU WELL, AND YOU'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE IN A LOT OF MEMBERS ON OUR DEPARTMENT'S LIVES AND THEIR FAMILIES' LIVES, SO GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS YOU.

>> HI, TAMI KAYEA, DEPUTY CHIEF DALLAS FIRE RESCUE OVER SAFETY AND RECENTLY OVER THE CHAPLAINS.

I WOULD JUST SAY MY DAD RETIRED AS A FIREFIGHTER AND CHAPLAIN FOR CARLTON FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT I SAID OF HIM IS WHAT I'D SAY OF ELAINE AND THAT IS, WE'RE ALL CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD, SOME OF US ARE JUST A LITTLE CLOSER TO THAT OF RIGID AND SHE IS.

THERE'S NO ONE WHO CAN SHARE GOD'S LOVE THE WAY THAT SHE DOES AND IT JUST POURS FROM HER.

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AND I'M JUST SO THANKFUL THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN THE BENEFIT OF THAT FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS THAT SHE'S BEEN HERE.

AND I'M GRATEFUL NOT ONLY TO HAVE WORKED WITH HER BUT TO HAVE CALLED HER MY FRIEND.

>> I WANT TO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING, EVERYONE.

IF YOU WOULD NOT MIND WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, CHAPLAIN MADDOX, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COMING DOWN FRONT HERE, WE'RE GOING TO LOWER THESE ROPES SO YOU CAN COME GET IN THE CENTER.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS PROCLAMATION THAT I'D LIKE FOR ALL OF YOUR COLLEAGUES TO FLANK YOU THERE AND WE'LL SIT BEHIND YOU FOR A PHOTOGRAPH FOR YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE, EVERYONE.

[APPLAUSE]

>> WE'RE GOING TO HUDDLE TOGETHER YOU GUYS AND TAKE A COUPLE OF PHOTOS, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST?

>> NO, [INAUDIBLE].

>> CAN WE SQUEEZE IN A LITTLE BIT IN THE BACK, PLEASE? ALL RIGHT.

THREE, 2,1.

CLOSER. THREE, 2, 1 AND THEN LOOK BACK.

>> EVERYBODY, 3,2,1.

LET'S GET ONE MORE.

READY, 3, 2, 1.

>> WHILE EVERYONE'S GETTING SITUATED, I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE CHAIRMAN THOMAS FOR ANOTHER SPECIAL PRESENTATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY, BEFORE I TALK ABOUT AND PROVIDE A SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO THIS GENTLEMAN, THIS LEGEND, SPECIFICALLY IN OAK CLIFF, WE HAVE A SHORT VIDEO.

I'M GOING TO SAY ROLL-UP BEAUTIFUL BEING FOOTAGE.

I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY THAT.

BUT IF THE AUDIO TEAM IS READY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND ROLL THE CLIP.

>> [MUSIC] YOU ARE A CHOSEN PEOPLE.

OF ALL PRIESTHOOD A HOLY NATION.

GOD'S SPECIAL POSSESSION THAT YOU MAY DECLARE THE PRAISES OF HIM TO CALL YOU OUT OF DARKNESS INTO HIS WONDERFUL LIGHT.

ONCE YOU WERE NOT A PEOPLE, BUT NOW YOU ARE PEOPLE OF GOD.

>> THIS IS JUST A SNIPPET OF THE VIDEO OF THE TRAILER THAT'S GONE ABOUT THIS LEGEND.

HE'S BEEN HERE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR A WHILE, BUT HE'S A KNOWN LEGEND TO THE OAK CLIFF COMMUNITY.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WITH THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO READ THE SPECIAL RECOGNITION, THEN I'M GOING TO ASK NONE OTHER THAN CULTURE TO COME UP FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PHOTO.

I WANT TO THANK MY GOOD FRIEND AND HIS ADVOCATE CURTIS WILBERT FOR BEING THE LIAISON BETWEEN ME AND COACH AND MAKING THIS HAPPEN. COACH, THANK YOU.

I WANT TO THANK YOUR WIFE, FOR SENDING AND OVER THE INFORMATION FOR US TO PUT THIS RESOLUTION TOGETHER.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THIS SPECIAL RECOGNITION.

WHEREAS EARL THOMPSON WAS BORN AND RAISED IN CONROE, TEXAS, WHERE HE ATTENDED BOOKER T WASHINGTON HIGH SCHOOL AND LATER RECEIVED A SCHOLARSHIP TO SAM HOUSTON STATE UNIVERSITY.

WHEREAS EARL THOMPSON CO-FOUNDED THE REDBIRD RAIDERS, YOUTH FOOTBALL ORGANIZATION IN 1982.

WHEREAS EARL THOMPSON WAS INDUCTED INTO PURVIEW AND THE SCHOLASTIC COACHES HALL OF FAME FOR TRACT.

WHEREAS EARL THOMPSON RECEIVED PRESIDENTIAL LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD FOR VOLUNTEER SERVICE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY PRESENTED BY THE DALLAS PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

WHEREAS 2023 WILL BE HIS 41ST SEASON AS A CO-FOUNDER, PRESIDENT, AND COACH, THE REDBIRD RAIDERS YOUTH OUTREACH.

WHEREAS EARL THOMPSON IS NOT ONLY AN AMAZING COACH BUT A PILLAR IN OUR COMMUNITY.

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WHEREAS EARL THOMPSON CREATES AN ENVIRONMENT AT THE REDBIRD AREA WHERE YOUNG BOYS AND GIRLS ARE PROUD TO BE A PART OF OAK CLIFF COMMUNITY THROUGH SPORTS, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, ENGAGEMENT, AND EDUCATION.

WHEREAS COACH THOMPSON VIEWED AS A FATHER FIGURE NOT ONLY TO ITS FOOTBALL PLAYERS BUT TO ANY BOY OR GIRL WHO WANTS TO BE GREAT.

HE ENCOURAGES, EDUCATES, DISCIPLINES, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, INVEST IN US.

THEREFORE, OUR CASEY THOMAS TO SECOND ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL, ON APRIL 19, 2023, DO HEREBY STAND.

SPECIAL RECOGNITION TO EARL COACH THOMPSON.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SELFLESS TIME, RESOURCES AND PASSION.

COACH BEFORE YOU COME DOWN, IF WE HAD EVERY PLAYER, EVERY YOUNG PERSON, MANY WHO'VE BEEN IN NFL, SOME WHO'S IN NFL NOW, COME DOWN TO CITY HALL TODAY.

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH TO FILL THIS CHAMBER SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND COME ON NOW, COACH, WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE YOU.

[APPLAUSE] THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN TWO WEEKS AGO. THANK YOU, COACH.

I KNOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE DOWN AND YOU WERE DISAPPOINTED, BUT GOOD THINGS COME TO THOSE WHO WAIT, SO YOUR HONOR.

>> IT IS AN HONOR TO BE HERE.

IT WAS A DREAM INVOLVED AND I'M NOT MARTIN, BUT THERE WAS CERTAINLY A DREAM WHEN IT WAS TIME FOR ME TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO PAY BACK.

I WAS LUCKY AS A KID.

THERE WERE GROWN MEN WHO LOAN THE HAND, IF YOU WILL, IN MY HOMETOWN, CONROE.

TO ALL THOSE LITTLE BOYS WHO WANTED TO DO THINGS, THEY GAVE THEIR TIME, THEY TOOK AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES, BUT THEY GAVE.

WHEN I WAS BRAGGING TO MYSELF OF HOW WELL I DO, GOD REMINDED ME I HAD DONE NOTHING.

I HAD A BILL THAT I HAD TO PAY AND I CAME TO OAK CLIFF, BECAME A PART OF THAT FOOTBALL PROGRAM, AND I KNEW THEN THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO PAY FOR A LONG TIME.

I NEVER KNEW IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS FAST, THOUGH.

FORTY YEARS YEARS, 41 THIS YEAR, MY WIFE. JUST WAVE.

[APPLAUSE] MY WIFE HAS ENDURED MY BEING AWAY FROM HOME AND STAYING LATE AT THE PARK AND SPENDING MONEY THAT I SHOULDN'T SPEND THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ANOTHER PLACE, BUT THERE WERE KIDS AND PRETTY SOON SHE WAS DOING THE SAME THING.

WE HAD KIDS THAT WERE THERE AND IT WAS COMING BY AND THEY WANTED TO BE A PART OF WHAT WE WERE DOING AND THAT DREAM STARTED FALLING INTO PLACE.

I AM SO GLAD DREAMING IS OKAY.

I AM SO GLAD THAT I HAD THAT DREAM.

IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR TO BE IN DISTRICT 3, COUNCILMAN, AND WITH THE KIDS IN DISTRICT 3.

FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE NATIONALS WITH CHEERLEADERS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I BECAME CHEERLEADER DIRECTOR, BUT CHEERLEADERS, I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM GOING.

BUT THE THING THAT WAS EXCITING IS TO SEE THESE LITTLE BLACK KIDS IN OAK CLIFF THAT NORMALLY HAS NOT LEFT OAK CLIFF ON A FLIGHT, AND WE'RE GOING TO FLORIDA, AND THEY ARE SO EXCITED.

KIDS ARE SO PRECIOUS.

ALL WE NEED TO DO IS SPEND A LITTLE TIME. I WAS SO EXCITED.

WE DID NOT WIN INTERNATIONALS, BUT NOBODY TOLD LIKE GIRLS THAT THEY WERE SO EXCITED AND IN THEIR THING WAS COACH, WE COME BACK AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

SURE ENOUGH, MY WIFE AND I WERE IN FLORIDA LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY WERE BACK.

THEY WORK HARD AT TRYING TO DO THE THINGS THEY DO, BUT THEY ALL DO IT TOGETHER.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS AND NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT GET TOGETHER AND DO THINGS BECAUSE THEY LIKE DOING IT, THEY ARE PART OF MY DREAM.

I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, SO I'M GOING TO IN THIS THING RIGHT HERE.

WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE, I REMEMBER ONE THING.

I WANTED TO BE A SPEAKER BECAUSE, AS A KID, I HAD A SPEECH IMPEDIMENT AND I WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STAND IN FRONT OF YOU AND DO THIS.

BUT MY COLLEGE PROFESSOR IN SPEECH SAID,

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IN ORDER TO BE AN EFFECTIVE SPEAKER, THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT YOU MUST LEARN.

STAND TALL SO PEOPLE WILL SEE YOU.

SPEAK LOUD, SO PEOPLE WILL HEAR YOU.

SIT SO PEOPLE WILL LIKE YOU.

THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER] [APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU, COACH. I'M GOING TO HAVE YOU, YOUR WIFE, CURTIS, EVERYBODY COME ON DOWN, WHO'S WITH HIM.

I'M GOING TO COME DOWN AND PRESENT THIS TO YOU.

I'M GOING TO SAY THIS, IF THERE'S EVER A FIELD THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS, A FOOTBALL FIELD, I'M GOING TO LEAD THE CHARGE FOR THEM TO NAME IT AFTER COACH EARL THOMPSON.

[APPLAUSE] THOUGHT YOU WERE OFF THE COUNCIL.

>> AFTER MAY 6.

COACH, YOU ALL WANT TO COME DOWN HERE AND TAKE IN FRONT CASEY, COME DOWN HERE AND PUT THE COACH RIGHT THERE.

>> WE'RE GOING TO LOOK THIS DIRECTION FIRST IS THAT OKAY? THIS WAY RIGHT HERE 3, 2, 1, AND THEN GET YOUR PHOTO. THAT WAY.

>> GOT IT.

>> THANK YOU. [BACKGROUND]

>> AS YOU TAKE YOUR SEATS, MADAM SECRETARY WILL MOVE ON TO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS NOW, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL OUR SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS FOR TODAY.

HEY, MEMBERS, THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE THIS MORNING.

I THOUGHT THOSE WERE SOME GOOD RECOGNITIONS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THOSE. MADAM SECRETARY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, GOOD MORNING.

[Open Microphone Speakers]

THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS.

I'LL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES.

SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM, AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL, IMPERTINENT, PROFANE, OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM.

ALL SPEAKERS ARE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

INDIVIDUALS BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

YOU'LL NOTICE THE TIME ON THE MONITOR AT THE PODIUM.

WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP.

ALSO DURING YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME.

ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON ONLY.

YOUR FIRST SPEAKER.

ANDREW BURNER.

>> GOOD MORNING. FIRST THANKS TO THE HONORABLE ERIC JOHNSON AS OUR MAYOR LEADER.

ALSO I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF DALLAS.

>> IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON?

>> IT'S GREEN.

>> MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU.

>> I ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE CITY OF DALLAS COUNCIL FOR BEING WILLING TO ALLOW ME THIS OPPORTUNITY.

MY NAME IS ANDREW BURNER, I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF PROGRAM OPERATIONS AT BEHIND EVERY DOORS.

BEFORE I GET GOING, I ALSO LIKE TO BRING GREETINGS AND SALUTATIONS FROM OUR CEO, WILL DOWELL AND OUR PRESIDENT, DARRION LEWIS.

BEHIND EVERY DOOR IS STATION RIGHT IN THE ROSALYNN TOWN HOUSE COMMUNITY IN THE 14TH DISTRICT.

WE ARE THE OLDEST HOUSING PROJECTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE MISSISSIPPI.

OUT OF THOSE 600 UNITS, WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE UNITS THAT HAVE BOTH PARENTS IN THE HOUSEHOLD AND SO WE STRUGGLE WITH SINGLE MOTHERS WHO ARE IN NEED OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND GUN VIOLENCE AS WELL.

BUT IT'S BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO COME ALONGSIDE THE COMMUNITY AND LOVE ON THEM.

WE PROVIDE THEM NOT ONLY RESOURCES, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO AID THEM IN SUCH A WAY WHERE WE CAN SEE THEIR LIVES TRANSFORMED AND THEY CAN CHOOSE WHAT'S BEST FOR THEM.

THROUGH THE CONNECTION OF [INAUDIBLE], I WAS ABLE TO GET IN CONTACT WITH, I THINK THE RULE SAID I CAN'T ADDRESS.

>> YOU CAN STATE THE DISTRICT.

>> OUR DISTRICT 14TH REPRESENTATIVE AND HIS TEAM,

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IN WHICH I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

WITHOUT THOSE EFFORTS AND YOU BEING SO KIND TO ASSIST US, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE THANKSGIVING BOXES FOR A TON OF NEEDY FAMILIES.

AT OUR ROSALYNN LOCATION ALONE I THINK WE WERE 30 BOXES SHORT, AND BECAUSE OF THOSE DONATIONS, WE HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH.

WHEN CHRISTMAS CAME, WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF TOYS FOR SEVERAL LITTLE KIDS TO FAMILIES WHO WERE WITHOUT, AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF DISTRICT 14TH LEADERSHIP THAT WE WERE ABLE TO BE A BLESSING TO THOSE KIDS.

THIS MORNING I HAVE JUST A SMALL THANK YOU TO OUR LEADER IN DISTRICT 14, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO HIM AND HIS STAFF AND THE REST OF YOU ALL FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE, SO THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE]

>> THANK YOU. RONNIE HOLMES.

>> GOOD MORNING. I'M RONNIE HOLMES.

AT THIS POINT ME I'M A PAUL.

A PAUL BECAUSE I VOLUNTEER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR 30 YEARS AT DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION.

I`M IN FAIR PARK AREA WHERE I WORKED WITH A LOT OF BLACK YOUTH AND I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE WAY Y`ALL CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED THE CHILDREN OUT.

NOBODY KNOW ME, BUT LIKE I SAY, I GAVE YOU 30 YEARS OF MY TIME TO WORK WITH THE YOUTH IN THIS AREA, TRYING TO KEEP KIDS OUT OF TROUBLE AND [NOISE] BEING A BASKETBALL COACH TO PRODUCE QUITE A FEW GOOD PLAYER.

BUT I'M HERE THIS MORNING MAYOR ON THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT ON TAXES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE STIPULATIONS, WHEREAS THEY DO THIS ON A YEARLY BASIS OR THEY DO IT EVERY FEW YEARS BUT THEY'RE RAISING OUR TAXES OVER IN THIS AREA PRETTY STRONG.

MY THING IS, THEY JUST RAISE IT ON ME THIS YEAR AND HAVEN'T BEEN A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, I GET ANOTHER STATEMENT WHERE THEY'RE RAISING THE TAXES AGAIN.

I WAS THINKING FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, OUR GOVERNMENT SYSTEM SUPPOSED TO BE AT A POINT WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO HELP US WITH OUR TAXES.

I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY THE CITY OF DALLAS APPRAISAL, THE DISTRICT STILL GOING UP ON US AT THIS TIME.

WHEREAS THEY DID RAISE UP LAST YEAR AND THIS HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN A PERIOD OF FOUR MONTHS WHERE THEY GOING UP AGAIN.

I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S A POLICY OR I`M I BEING SEEN ALLOWED IN FOR SOME REASON BECAUSE I OWN A PROPERTY WITHIN THE FAIR PARK AREA, AND TO SAY, WITH THAT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT I HAVE OVER THERE AND THE VACANCY, IF IT WASN'T FOR ME HAVING ANY VACANT PROPERTY, THEN EVEN IF I PUT BUSINESSES ON.

THE FAIR PARK WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPLY THESE PEOPLE WITH THE PARKING IN THE EVENTS THEY'RE HAVING.

I'M THINKING THAT BEING IN THE FAIR PARK HERE, WE HAD A SPECIAL SESSION ON THE PROPERTY OWNED WHERE THEY LET US PARK FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND SEEING THEY WOULD TRY TO CONTROL THE TAXES.

BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVING THERE'S A LOT OF MAJOR INVESTORS COMING IN THE AREA, AND THEY JUST, INSTEAD OF THEM TAXING THE PEOPLE WITH NEW BUSINESSES, THEY`RE ON THE PEOPLE THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE SO IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN GIVE ME THAT LITTLE HELP OR A LEAD WAY TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, I WOULD BE HAPPY.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS FOR WORKING WITH THE DALLAS PARKS AND RECREATION.

I'M GOING TO GO UP THERE AND TALK WITH THEM FOR ME AND I WILL LIKE TO SEE THEM AND LET THEM ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I'M STILL ALIVE.

I RETIRED AFTER MY 30 YEAR.

>> I WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR COMING DOWN.

WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE, SO I'M SURE WHO CAN HELP DIRECT YOU AND EXPLAIN THAT APPRAISAL PROCESS.

IT'S ACTUALLY NOT A CITY OF DALLAS PROCESS.

IT'S APPRAISAL DISTRICT, THAT'S A SEPARATE THAT DOES ALL THAT.

THAT'S AN EXPLANATION THAT SOMEONE WHO'S MORE QUALIFIED THAN I AM CAN GIVE YOU AND CAN HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS FOR CONTESTING THAT APPRAISAL AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY MAYBE TALK TO YOU OFF TO THE SIDE HERE,

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BUT THANKS FOR COMING DOWN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. DEBORAH [INAUDIBLE] HAS CANCELED.

THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING, MR. MAYOR.

>> LET'S DO THE VOTING AGENDA.

>> THANK YOU. AGENDA ITEM 1 IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE APRIL 4TH, 2023,

[1. 23-1058 Approval of Minutes of the April 4, 2023 City Council Meeting and April 5, 2023 City Council Work Session]

CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THE APRIL 5TH, 2023 CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION.

>> IT`S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDS, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING AND SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSE? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM.

>> AGENDA ITEM 2, IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

[2. 23-1059 Consideration of appointments to boards and commissions and the evaluation and duties of board and commission members (List of nominees is available in the City Secretary's Office)]

THIS MORNING, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT.

YOUR NOMINEE FOR FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP TO END AND PREVENT HOMELESSNESS.

LOCAL GOVERNMENT CORPORATION.

CARA MENDELSOHN IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR JOHNSON.

THIS IS YOUR NOMINEE, MR. MAYOR AND MR. MAYOR MAY NOT FOR THE RECORD, YOU MUST ABSTAIN FROM VOTING ON THIS ITEM.

>> I'LL BE ABSTAINING AND LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND.

REMOVED AND SECOND, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSE? THE AYES HAVE IT.

NOTE MY ABSTENTION PLEASE.

>> NOTED MR. MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE BRIEFINGS CONTINUE.

>> I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER NOW.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [NOISE]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

[A. 23-664 FY 2023-24 HUD Consolidated Plan Budget: City Council Discussion and Amendments]

BRIEFING A IS RELATED TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2024, HOOD CONSOLIDATED PLAN BUDGET.

EACH YEAR WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO BUDGET CDBG HOME, [NOISE] HOPWA, AND ESG GRANT FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM HUD.

DETAILED MATERIALS WERE SENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON FRIDAY, APRIL 21ST.

TODAY'S STAFF WILL PROVIDE A SUMMARY, AND I WILL TURN THINGS OVER TO JACK IRELAND TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BROADNAX.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS JACK IRELAND, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.

I'M JOINED AT THE TABLE WITH US JANETTE WEEDON AND INDIVIDUALS FROM BUDGET MANAGEMENT SERVICES THAT WILL ASSIST WITH THE BRIEFING.

AS MR. BROADNAX STATED, TODAY'S CONVERSATION IS ABOUT CDBG HOME, HOPWA, AND ESG.

WE DID PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE INFORMATION ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 19TH AND THEN BY MEMO ON FRIDAY, APRIL THE 21ST.

BUT MISS WEEDON AND MISS WILLIAMS WILL PROVIDE A SUMMARY THIS MORNING AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS IF THERE ARE ANY.

AT THIS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MISS WEEDON.

>> GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU, JACK.

AGAIN, MY NAME IS JANETTE WEEDON, DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

I AM JOINED TODAY BY CHAN WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

WE HAVE A VERY SHORT BRIEFING ABOUT THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN, WE'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, AND THEN MISS WILLIAMS WILL DISCUSS PROPOSED SOURCES AND USES OF FUNDS.

WE WILL CONSIDER ANY CITY COUNCIL AMENDMENTS THAT YOU HAVE THIS MORNING AND THEN REVIEW THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER 3.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN CONSISTS OF FOUR, IT`S NOT THE RIGHT BRIEFING.

>> THE INCORRECT BRIEFING HAS PULLED UP?

>> YES.

>> THIS IS CDBG DISASTER RECOVERY INSTEAD OF TODAY'S BRIEFING FOR THE HUD GRANT, SHALL WE GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE OR WAIT UNTIL THEY GET IT PULLED UP?

>> WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL THEY GET THE CORRECT ONE.

>> WE'LL, STAND AT THESE UNTIL WE GET THE RIGHT SLIDES UP.

[NOISE]

>> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 3? THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN CONSIST OF FOUR DISTINCT GRANT,

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CDBG, HOME, ESG, AND HOPWA.

THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN IS A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS AND STRATEGIC PLAN.

IT DOES THREE THINGS.

IT IDENTIFIES THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND PRIORITIZES THOSE NEEDS, AND THEN IT DETAILS HOW THE NEEDS WILL BE ADDRESSED.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 4, WE SHOW THAT THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN COVERS A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD FROM OCTOBER 1, 2019 TO SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024.

TO RECEIVE GRANT FUNDS, THE CITY MUST SUBMIT A FIVE-YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN TO HUD AND AN ANNUAL ACTION PLAN.

THE FISCAL YEAR 24 ACTION PLAN WILL BE DUE TO HUD BY AUGUST 15 OF 2023.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 5, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE FIFTH AND FINAL YEAR OF THE CURRENT FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

ON OCTOBER 18TH OF 2023, THIS FALL, WE PLAN TO BRIEF CITY COUNCIL ON A PROPOSED TIMELINE FOR ENGAGEMENT WITH DEPARTMENTS AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ON A NEW CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND ANNUAL ACTION PLANS COVERING THE PERIOD OF OCTOBER 1, OF 2024 THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2029.

NEXT, YOU WILL HEAR FROM CHAN WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

>> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL, AND THANK YOU JEANETTE.

I AM CHAN WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE GRANTS DIVISION IN THE BUDGET OFFICE, AND I AM JOINED TODAY BY AUSENCIO VICENTE. HE GOES BY AV.

HE IS THE HEAD AT THE BUDGET MANAGER FOR OUR HUD PROGRAMS. ON SLIDE 6, WE HAVE THE SOURCES OF FUNDS FOR OUR FY 2023-24 BUDGET.

THE FIRST CATEGORY ARE THE NEW GRANT FUNDS THAT WE WILL RECEIVE FROM HUD, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, COMPARED TO THIS YEAR TO WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAVE EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, THREE OF THE GRANTS WERE DECREASED, AND AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LARGE INCREASE IN OUR HOPWA GRANT.

THE NEXT CATEGORY PROVIDES THOSE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDS WHICH ARE PRIMARILY PROGRAM INCOME AND THEN THAT ONE TIME REVENUE.

THE NEXT SLIDE PROPOSES HOW THE FUNDS ARE PROPOSED TO BE USED BY THE HUD CATEGORIES CDBG HAS THOSE FIVE PUBLIC SERVICES, HOUSING ACTIVITIES, PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT, FAIR HOUSING, AND OVERSIGHT.

THE OTHER THREE GRANTS BECAUSE OF THEIR LIMITED USE, THEY ARE PRIMARILY ONE USE.

A HOME GRANT PROVIDES HOUSING ASSISTANCE OR EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT PREVENTION AND ASSISTANCE TO THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY HOMELESS AND A HOPWA GRANT IS FOR BOTH FAMILIES IMPACTED BY HIV AND AIDS.

THERE'S AN APPENDIX THAT ATTACH THAT PROVIDES THE LINE-BY-LINE DETAIL.

THIS BUDGET WAS PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION ON MARCH 3RD.

DURING THE MONTH OF MARCH AND APRIL, THE COMMISSION MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH SAP AND THEY REVIEWED EACH LINE ITEM AND ADDRESSED ANY OF THE PROGRAM QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD.

ON APRIL THE 6TH, THE CDC CONCURRED WITH THE MANAGERS RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND THERE WERE NO AMENDMENTS.

ON APRIL THE 19TH, WE WERE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO BRIEF, BUT THEN THAT BRIEFING OCCURRED VIA THE MEMO ON APRIL THE 21ST, AND IN THAT MEMO, COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE INVITED TO SUBMIT AMENDMENTS TO THE FY 23-24 HUD CONSOLIDATED PLAN BUDGET.

AS OF FRIDAY NOON, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY AMENDMENTS.

MOVING FORWARD TO OUR TIMELINE, WE ARE SCHEDULED TODAY.

IF THERE ARE ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TODAY FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

WE ARE SCHEDULED FOR PRELIMINARY ADOPTION OF THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET CALLED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 10TH.

WE WILL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MAY 24TH WITH FINAL ADOPTION SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 14TH.

OUR PLAN IS DUE TO HUD BY AUGUST 15TH WITH IMPLEMENTATION OCTOBER 1ST FOR FY 23.

THAT COMPLETES OUR PREPARED PRESENTATION.

WE DO HAVE STAFF HERE AND WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. IS ANYONE ELSE GOING TO PRESENT ON THIS PARTICULAR DECK OR? [INAUDIBLE] , THAT'S IT FOR THIS DECK.

MEMBERS, QUESTIONS? JOEL MENDELSON.

FIVE-MINUTES ONCE YOU GET BACK TO YOUR SEAT.

>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT SHORTER THAN I THOUGHT IT'D BE. APPRECIATE IT.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THERE IS NO MONEY PUT IN FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT LAST YEAR THERE WAS A MILLION DOLLARS I BELIEVE?

>> THIS YEAR THERE IS $2.8 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES AND IMPROVEMENTS.

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>> I'M SORRY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO 2.8 BUDGETED FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES?

>> YES, THERE IS BUDGET AND CITY AND THE APPENDIX CD08.

>> SORRY, I MISSED THAT.

WELL, THEN I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT THAT I WAS GOING TO.

HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT? I LIKE JACK SMILING LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. THEN ARE YOU PREPARED NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE ARPA PART WITH EXCESS REVENUE, REBALANCING THAT? NOT YET.

>> NO, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT ON THE NEXT BRIEFING, IF WE MAY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN ATKINS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> QUESTION ON THE IMPROVEMENT WE ALLOCATED ROUGHLY ABOUT TWO MILLION DOLLARS.

IS THAT BROKEN DOWN BY DISTRICT OR ABOUT AREAS, UNCERTAIN AREAS, HOW DOES IT BROKEN DOWN?

>> THE 2.8, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NON-PROFITS.

THEIR'S A COUNCIL RESOLUTION THAT ALLOWS UP TO 5% TO BE USED TOWARDS NON-PROFITS, SO THERE IS A PART THAT THERE WILL BE ALLOCATED.

WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT FOR RFPS SHOULD A NON-PROFIT NEED FUNDS AND THEN THE OTHER FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE ON AN AS-NEEDED BASIS FOR INELIGIBLE AREAS.

THERE IS A SPECIFIC AMOUNT INCLUDED IN THIS 2.8 THAT WE HAD COMMITTED TO THE FIVE MILE PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JOANNE WILL IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I TOO WANT TO LOOK AT THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND IMPROVEMENT LINE ITEM FOR THE $2.8 MILLION.

SO HOW MUCH OUT OF THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU DESIGNATED SUM FOR FIVE MILE, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE?

>> IT'S ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS.

>> SO REALLY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $1.8 MILLION FOR THE REST OF THIS PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT?

>> ABOUT 700,000 WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR NON-PROFITS, SO IT'S ABOUT 1.1.

>> THEN ON THE CDO 9 AND 10 ABOUT SIDEWALK AND ADA, I GUESS THAT'S FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

SO YOU'RE DESIGNATING JUST A MILLION DOLLARS FOR EACH OF THOSE.

I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. JACK IS SHAKING HIS HEAD.

>> CURRENTLY, THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS IN EACH OF THOSE FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR.

THERE WAS NO RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD FOR NEXT YEAR.

>> I'M CONCERNED ON THE ADA FRONT BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE LAGGING AND I FEEL LIKE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT'S A LIABILITY FOR THE CITY.

CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT?

>> I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.

THIS IS ONE PART OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.

ONE PART OF SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT WE'VE USED TO IMPROVE OUR ADA.

THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING ON.

>> IF I CAN ADD TO THAT, IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE HAD $2 MILLION OF EXTRA PROGRAM INCOME THAT WAS AVAILABLE.

SINCE IT WAS NOT PART OF THE REGULAR GRANT, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO WITH THAT ONETIME SOURCE OF FUNDS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ANTICIPATED TO BE RECURRING.

A DECISION WAS MADE A YEAR AGO THAT WE WOULD PUT A MILLION OF THAT TOWARDS ADA AND A MILLION OF THAT TOWARDS SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THOSE ARE TWO AREAS THAT WE AGREE THAT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT IN NEED IN AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO USE ONETIME FUNDS THAN TO DO THAT.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROGRAM INCOME FOR NEXT YEAR AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT AS ZERO FOR NEXT YEAR.

>> BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S 1.1 OUT OF THAT 2.8 BECAUSE SUMS FOR FIVE MILES 700,000 IS FOR NON-PROFITS.

WE'VE GOT IT IN THIS CDO 8 CATEGORY GENERALLY.

WHERE ARE YOU SEEING THAT WOULD BE DIRECTED TO?

>> THAT FONT RIGHT NOW, IT'S AN ADD NEEDED.

THERE'S NOTHING FOR SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AT THIS TIME FOR THAT 1.1.

>> WE WOULD WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND THE DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY THE USE OF THAT UNSPECIFIED AMOUNT THAT'S RIGHT NOW JUST LISTED AS PUBLIC FACILITIES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JOEL AND [INAUDIBLE], YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT UNDER HOME UNDER THE CHDO DEVELOPMENT LOAN PROGRAM, WE HAVE A DELTA OF AN INCREASE OF 250,000.

MY QUESTION IS, WHAT HAVE WE DONE WITH THE 166,000 THAT WARRANTS AN INCREASE OF THAT?

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I KNOW IT SAYS THAT WE'RE EARNING UP TO DEVELOP LOW TO MODERATE HOUSEHOLDS EARN UP TO 80 PERCENT AMI.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT HAVE WE DONE AND WHY DO WE NEED IT THERE AND WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR IT?

>> [INAUDIBLE], AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.

WE HAVE A SET ASIDE REQUIREMENT FOR CHDO FUNDS, 15 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL GRANT HAS TO GO TO CHDO'S.

OTHERWISE, THOSE FUNDS ARE RETURNED BACK TO HUD IF WE DON'T USE THEM FOR CHDO'S.

>> THAT'S A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT.

>> IT'S A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT.

>> THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO MONITOR SUCCESS? BECAUSE I THINK GIVING IT OUT AND THERE'S NO DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A GOOD STRATEGY.

>> CORRECT. WE PUT IT OUT IN THE NOFA.

WE WAIT FOR OUR CHDO'S TO APPLY.

WE HAVE THREE CHDO'S THAT ARE CERTIFIED AT THIS TIME.

>> YOU SAY THREE OR 30?

>> THREE. THREE CHDO THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY AT THIS TIME.

WE REVIEW THEIR PROJECTS LIKE WE DO ANY OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS WITH UNDERWRITING AND ALL THOSE OTHER CRITERIA.

WE MONITOR THOSE PROJECTS THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

THEY WATCH THOSE PROJECTS TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE BEING DEVELOPED TIMELY AND THEN WE MONITOR THEM ON THE BACK-END FOR AFFORDABILITY TERMS.

>> HOW MANY HOMES ARE WE EXPECTING TO, I GUESS, CONSTRUCT WITH THIS 1.2 MILLION?

>> I THINK WE HAVE THE NUMBER HERE, DOES IT SAY TO BE DETERMINED? OUR RATES ARE GOING ABOUT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20,000 FOR MULTI-FAMILY, 50,000 FOR SINGLE-FAMILY.

>> NOT UNITS.

>> PER UNIT.

>> HOW MANY UNITS?

>> I WOULD SAY [OVERLAPPING] 50-100 UNITS DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF COST PER UNIT THAT WE END UP PUTTING IN THERE.

BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE DON'T PAY 100 PERCENT OF DEVELOPMENT.

THEY HAVE TO BRING PRIVATE FINANCING AS WELL.

IT RANGES DEPENDING ON THE PROPOSAL.

>> THESE MONIES WILL GO IN DIRECT CONSTRUCTION OR DOES IT GO INTO THEIR OVERHEAD?

>> DIRECT CONSTRUCTION. WE DO NOT HAVE OVERHEAD IN THESE DOLLARS.

>> YOU WILL BE MONITORING THAT?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. RIDLEY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. ON CD8, THE 1.1 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES, WHAT PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE CONSIDERED FOR THIS PROGRAM AND WHAT ARE THE ELIGIBLE AREAS?

>> THE ELIGIBLE AREAS ARE, BASED ON CENSUS DATA, THOSE AREAS THAT REPRESENT WHERE 51% OF THE RESIDENTS OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF LOW AND MODERATE INCOME ELIGIBLE PROJECTS UNDER THIS ACTIVITY INCLUDE SIDEWALKS, INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE PROGRAM PROJECTS.

ANY OF OUR REC CENTERS, ANYTHING THAT'S A PUBLIC FACILITY IS ELIGIBLE FOR REPAIR SYSTEMS UNDER THIS CATEGORY.

>> WHAT PROJECTS DO THE NON-PROFITS USE THIS MONEY FOR THE 700,000 THAT'S RESERVED FOR THEM? WHAT PROJECTS CAN THEY USE IT FOR?

>> PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.

THE MOST RECENT PROJECT THAT WE COMPLETED WAS AT CATHOLIC CHARITIES MERRIMACK FACILITY.

THEY NEEDED ADA COMPLIANCE.

WE WENT IN AND WIDEN THEIR DOORS, RESTORED THEIR RESTAURANTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

THE NON-PROFITS HAVE ABILITY, IF THEY HAVE 25 PERCENT MATCH, THEY'RE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE RFP AND WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS FOR THE SAME THINGS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> [INAUDIBLE], YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. YOU HAVE $400,000 SET ASIDE FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER PROGRAM.

I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN TELL US HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HELPED LAST YEAR.

OF THE 400,000, IT SAYS THERE'S A DESIGNATION THAT IT WOULD HELP APPROXIMATELY 40 PEOPLE.

>> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING.

>> WE HAVE 12 PEOPLE IN THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW.

WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED, I BELIEVE, ON SEVEN.

THEN THE REST OF THE MONEY IS STILL AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY, WHICH WE HAVE APPLICANTS THAT COME IN DAILY.

>> BUT IF THEY'RE IN THE PIPELINE, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY EVER CLOSE.

THE DEAL FALLS THROUGH SOMETIMES.

>> THEY DO. THEY'LL STAY IN THE PIPELINE AND THEN THEY MAY NOT FIND A HOUSE.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT NOW IS THAT THEY'RE NOT FINDING HOUSES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE AND THEY'LL STAY IN THE PIPELINE.

>> HOW MANY DID WE HELP LAST YEAR? CAN YOU TELL US?

>> LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE 12 PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE.

SEVEN HAVE ALREADY CLOSED [OVERLAPPING] THAT'S LAST YEAR'S FUNDS.

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>> THAT'S FOR THIS CURRENT YEAR?

>> YES, THIS CURRENT YEAR. I'M SORRY.

I HAVE TO GET THE NUMBER FOR YOU.

I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY WE SERVED LAST YEAR.

>> WOULD IT HAVE BEEN 10? DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT?

>> YEAH. COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE HIGHER THAN 10, THOUGH.

>> I APOLOGIZE. I DON'T HAVE MY IPAD AND THAT'S WHY MY FIRST QUESTION WAS A LITTLE DISJOINTED BECAUSE I'M JUST GOING OFF OF SOME WRITTEN NOTES.

BUT I THINK IT WAS 10 LAST YEAR.

YOU HAVE PUT ASIDE $400,000 TO HELP A POTENTIAL 40 PEOPLE.

I JUST DON'T THINK IN THIS HOUSING MARKET WE'RE EVER GOING TO SPEND IT ON THAT.

MY ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS TO MOVE THE MONEY FROM THAT ITEM TO PUBLIC FACILITIES SPECIFICALLY FOR SIDEWALK AND ADA.

THIS WILL NOT HELP A POTENTIAL 40.

IT'LL HELP THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ACCESS CITY SERVICES THAT WE ALL NEED.

WE ALREADY HAVE A SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN THAT'S IDENTIFIED OUR MOST NEEDED, ESPECIALLY TWO SCHOOL LOCATIONS.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND NOT FUNDING IT.

WE'RE SO DESPERATE FOR THESE SIDEWALKS.

I HAVE A FEELING WE'RE JUST GOING TO END UP REPROGRAMMING THIS MONEY ANYHOW.

THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT.

SORRY, I DIDN'T HAVE IT TOGETHER, BUT I'VE GOT IT NOW ON MY PHONE.

I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PUT MY GLASSES ON.

BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO MOVE THE 400,000 FROM FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER FOR CDBG TO PUBLIC FACILITIES, SPECIFICALLY FOR SIDEWALKS AND ADA COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU.

>> I SECOND.

>> WE'RE NOT TAKING ANY ACTION TODAY.

>> I THINK THERE WAS AN OFFER FOR AMENDMENTS, CORRECT?

>> OKAY. WE'LL DO IT IN JUST ONE SECOND.

THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING, AND THEN WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ACTUALLY CAN, TO START VOTING OR WHATEVER WE CAN DO.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THAT.

SO I HAD TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, MR. CITY MANAGER.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU COUNCIL.

I THINK THE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, PARTICULARLY SIDEWALKS, IS A VERY PERTINENT ONE AND RELEVANT.

I THINK JACK DESCRIBED WHY THIS ITEM WAS INCLUDED IN PRIOR YEARS AS IT WAS RELATED TO A ONETIME FUNDING FOR PROGRAM INCOME AND IT WENT TO ASSIST THE GENERAL FUND AND/OR OTHER FUNDING SOURCES, WHETHER THAT'S CURRENT AND NEW PROJECTS THAT WE DO AND BUILD ADA INTO, AND/OR HOW WE FUNDED ADA THROUGH ARPA AND OTHER GENERAL FUNDS TO ACTUALLY ATTACK THE HIGHEST PRIORITY AREAS ASSOCIATED WITH OUR ADA MASTERPLAN.

THERE ARE OTHER RESOURCES AND FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE HAVE HISTORICALLY USED FOR ADA AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED AND THE DESIRE TO WANT MORE IN THERE.

HOWEVER, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HELP PEOPLE GET INTO HOMES, WHICH AGAIN, IS A HIGH PRIORITY TO CITY COUNCIL.

THESE FUNDS ARE TARGETED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ACTIVITY, WHEREAS WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO AND USE GENERAL FUNDS FOR THOSE DOWN-PAYMENT ASSISTANT TYPE PROGRAMS. THE FUNDING SOURCE AND THE PRECISION OF THAT FUNDING SOURCE SHOULD REALLY MATCH THE SOLUTION.

IT WOULD BE MY IMPRESSION THAT AS OPPOSED TO SPENDING GENERAL FUND ON DOLLARS TO DO THESE THINGS, WE TRY TO FOCUS THE CDBG DOLLARS ON AREAS OF WHICH WE DO NOT AND/OR WOULD RECOMMEND WE NOT USE GENERAL FUNDS FOR.

AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE GOT AN ACTIVE PROGRAM FOR ADA.

THERE WILL BE MORE OF THAT OBVIOUSLY EITHER THROUGH THE BOND AND OR AS WE PLAN FOR PROJECTS. BUT I WOULDN'T.

AS STAFF, ADVOCACY COUNCIL CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT DOES NOT SEEM CONGRUENT WITH HOW WE'VE APPROACHED UTILIZING CDBG FUNDS, IN MY OPINION AND MY RECOMMENDATION AS IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR, COULD I ALSO ADD TO THAT?

>> OH, SORRY. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.

>> I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW THAT WILL NEED THESE HOMEBUYER ASSISTANT DOLLARS ONCE THE UNITS ARE COMPLETED AND THE HOME BUYERS ARE READY TO PURCHASE.

>> CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU CAN ANSWER FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT TO KEEP THESE DOLLARS IN PLACE.

WE CANNOT TALK OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF OUR MOUTHS WHEN IT COMES TO THE AFFORDABILITY AND WE CAN PUT AS MUCH INVESTMENT AS WE WANT IN ADA AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

BUT IF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE IN OUR CITY, THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO ENJOY THOSE AMENITIES.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THESE FUNDS.

I THINK THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR CITY TO BE AS AGGRESSIVE AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE GETS SPENT.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE IN SERIOUS ABOUT ADDRESSING OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED IN THIS CITY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> THIS IS A LITTLE PROCESS NOTE HERE TO TRY TO KEEP THE DEBATE OR THE DISCUSSION RATHER EFFICIENT.

I'M HOLDING OFF ON RECOGNIZING YOUR MOTION RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN HAVE

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THE DISCUSSION ANYBODY WANTS TO HAVE AND NOT LIMIT THE DISCUSSION TO HER MOTION.

I'M HOLDING THAT SO YOU CAN SAY WHEREVER YOU WANT TO SAY ON THE PRESENTATION FIRST WITH YOUR 531.

THEN ONCE WE'VE EXHAUSTED EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS, I'LL RECOGNIZE YOUR MOTION.

IF SOMEONE SECONDS IT, THEN WE'LL HAVE A DEBATE ON IT.

I WANT TO HOLD OFF ON THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

I WANT TO NOT RECOGNIZE IT YET, BUT THEN WE'LL DO THAT AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A WHOLE NEW 531 ON THAT.

THIS IS NOW OPEN DISCUSSION ON THE PRESENTATION.

JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO HER MOTION.

CHAIRWOMAN [INAUDIBLE] FIVE-MINUTES.

JUST GENERAL DISCUSSION.

>> YES. NO, I HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

>> YEAH, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> ON THE EMERGENCY SHELTER LINE ITEM, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, WE ACTUALLY WENT DOWN, BUT I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT WE ARE IN MORE IN NEED OF THAT.

CAN YOU ALL GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION? THAT IS ESG LINE ITEM.

BUT WE DID GO UP IN STREET OUTREACH.

I'M JUST TRYING TO RECONCILE BOTH UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.

>> I'M SORRY, WHICH LINE ITEM ARE YOU ON?

>> EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT ESG, ESO1, AND ESO2.

WE WENT UP AS A WHOLE IN THAT SUB ITEM, THAT SUBTOTAL.

OR NOW ACTUALLY WE WENT DOWN.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT GIVEN THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT OUR SHELTERS ARE AT CAPACITY AND WE NEED MORE.

>> THE GRANT WENT DOWN AS OVERALL.

>> WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH LESS.

WE'RE WORKING WITH LESS.

>> WE'RE WORKING WITH LESS MONEY.

>> OVERALL, THE EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT FROM THE CURRENT YEAR TO NEXT YEAR, THE GRANT IN TOTAL IS DOWN $27,000.

THEN THERE WERE ADJUSTMENTS MADE IN THE LINE ITEMS TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT LOWER GRANT AMOUNT.

SHANNON, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT?

>> BUT MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO BE HAVING TO AUGMENT THAT WITH SOME GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WITH THE NEED.

I DON'T THINK JUST BECAUSE THE AMOUNT ALLOCATED TO US FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE NEED HAS GONE DOWN.

>> OF COURSE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER THROUGH THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THIS SUMMER AND BRING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE GENERAL FUND TO YOU IN AUGUST.

>> THANK YOU, CHRISTINE [LAUGHTER].

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO EXPLAIN THE STRAW BEDDING PROCEDURE AND RECOGNIZED CHAIRWOMAN [INAUDIBLE] MOTION.

[INAUDIBLE] YOU WANT TO ANSWER FOR FIVE-MINUTES. GENERAL DISCUSSION.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT TO BE CLEAR AGAIN SO THAT I'M TAKING NOTES.

WHAT IS THE WINDOW FOR MORE AMENDMENTS? DID I HEAR YOU ALL SAID THAT EARLIER?

>> I THINK I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THE SCHEDULE IS FOR CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY ADOPTION ON MAY 10TH, SO THERE WILL BE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY ON THAT DAY.

THEN, I BELIEVE FINAL ADOPTION BY CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE 14TH.

THOSE WILL ALSO BE OPPORTUNITIES.

>> WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO IS TO SIT DOWN WITH STAFF.

I KNOW I NEED TO DO THAT SO THAT I CAN DEVELOP A PROPOSAL BASED ON DATA.

THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING FOR CLARITY SO WE COULD ACTUALLY SUBMIT SOMETHING TO YOU TOMORROW OR FRIDAY BEFORE THE 10TH.

THAT'S THE CLARITY I NEED.

>> YES, MA'AM. MS. PALOMINO IS CORRECT.

THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TWO MORE TIMES AFTER TODAY WHEN AMENDMENTS COULD BE CONSIDERED.

WE CAN CONSIDER THEM TODAY, OR EITHER OF THOSE TWO TIMES UNTIL WE ADOPT THE BUDGET IN JUNE.

>> LET ME MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR FOR ME THIS MORNING.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING.

I WANT TO CRAFT THE PROPOSAL, RUN IT BY YOUR TEAM, AND THEN BE PREPARED FOR THE 10TH.

THE QUESTION WOULD BE BEFORE THEN AFTER WE CRAFT IT, I NEED TO KNOW THE SUBMISSION DATE SO I'LL BE READY ON THE 10TH, SO IT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.

>> WE CAN GET WITH YOU OFFLINE AND DISCUSS AND HELP YOU CRAFT AN AMENDMENT.

>> THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO DO. I JUST DON'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING.

I WANT IT TO BE A PART OF THE PACKET WHEN WE COME HERE ON THE 10TH.

IF THERE'S MODIFICATIONS I NEED TO MAKE, WE COULD DO THAT OR IF YOU HAVE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO WANT TO SUPPORT THAT ENDEAVOR TO SERVE THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO NEED US THE MOST, THEN I WANT TO HAVE IT ALREADY [INAUDIBLE] OUT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PUTTING IT TOGETHER HERE AS WE FLOW.

>> YES, WE CAN HELP.

>> THANK YOU. YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH US.

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I KNOW WITH ME DURING THIS WHOLE SESSION OF URBAN.

MS. JAYNE, I CONTINUED TO PULL YOU OUT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WITH YOU THE LONGEST.

BUT ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE JUST BEEN PHENOMENAL IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THE SERVICE AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND I HAVE MORE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR MORE, WHETHER IT'S THE HOUSING, MORE HOUSING, HOW CAN WE HELP THEM? WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND HOME OWNERSHIP BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE STOOD ON IN TERMS OF OUR PLATFORM AND OUR AGENDA.

I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT I'M ABLE TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU THIS MORNING, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT IT DOES NOT FALL ON DEAF EARS AS WE APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN, AS WELL AS THE FULL COUNSEL.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AS JACK SHARED THE ABILITY TO GET AND SPEND TIME WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, MAYOR PRO TEM, AS WELL AS OTHERS.

ON POTENTIAL OPTIONS OR LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND WHERE IT'S GOING AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING I JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ABOUT EXPECTATIONS.

WHILE THERE WILL BE POTENTIALLY INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS AROUND THINGS FOLK MAY WANT TO SEE AS IT RELATES TO DEVELOPING WHAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU BEYOND WHAT WE TALK ABOUT TODAY AND GET SOME STRAW UNDERSTANDINGS OF THOSE WILL BE AMENDMENTS AND MOTIONS THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE SPECIFICALLY RESPECTIVE OF YOUR PARTICULAR INTERESTS.

BUT WILL BRING BACK WHAT WE BELIEVE MIGHT BE CONSENSUS AND FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVE TODAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WOULDN'T BE MEETING WITH GROUPS AND THEN COMING BACK WITH A BAKED PACKAGE OUTSIDE OF THIS PUBLIC MEETING. THANK YOU.

>> AS A FOLLOW-UP FOR PROCESS TODAY, THE AGENDA IS POSTED FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, SITTING AS A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR BUDGET PURPOSES, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU CAN MAKE STRAW VOTES TO AMEND THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET.

IF THAT STRAW VOTE PASSES, IT WILL PROCEED AND YOU'LL HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, LIKE I SAID, ON DIFFERENT DATES TO MAKE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGET.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

NOW I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FROM YOU, CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN.

>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ASK FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO CONFIRM HOW MANY HOMEOWNERS WERE HELPED WITH THE NEW HOME BUYER PROGRAM LAST YEAR.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK CYNTHIA MAY HAVE SHARED THAT SHE NEEDED TO GET YOU THAT SPECIFIC NUMBER THOUGH I MAY HAVE THAT NUMBER.

>> IT WAS 16.

>> SIXTEEN. IN YOUR ESTIMATE OF THE CDBG, YOU'RE ESTIMATING 10,000 PER HOME SINCE YOU HAD DOWN 40 POTENTIAL CLIENTS AND $400,000?

>> IT'S ACTUALLY 40,000 PER HOME AND IT'S SPLIT FUNDED WITH CDBG AND HOME, SO WE SPLIT IT THAT WAY.

>> BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CDBG MONEY RIGHT NOW.

>> YOUR 400,000 THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF. YES, MA'AM.

>> THERE STILL WOULD BE ESG MONEY AVAILABLE OR HOME DOLLARS AVAILABLE?

>> ONLY 400,000 AVAILABLE.

>> BUT THERE'S ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM THE HOME PROGRAM.

>> THAT IS THE AMOUNT THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR HOME BUYERS ASSISTANCE.

>> LET ME CLARIFY BECAUSE Y'ALL I HAVE THAT THAT'S GOING ON BETWEEN YOU TWO.

[NOISE] SHE'S SAYING THE PROJECT IN MY IMPRESSION IS FUNDED AT $800,000, 400,000 IN CDBG 400' IN HOME AND THEY MATCH IT TO GIVE $40,000 EQUIVALENTS OUT OF EACH POT, WHICH HAVE THEIR OWN SPECIAL RULES AND GUIDELINES.

I WILL SAY BEYOND JUST GOING DIRECTLY FOR FOLK, I THINK THE HISTORICAL PROGRAMS, WILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING HOMES, WHO ARE LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO HELP WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

THEY COME, THEY GO THROUGH TRAINING AND THEY GET APPROVED AND THEN THEY WORK THROUGH US AND WE COME AND SHOW UP AT THEIR CLOSING AND GIVE THEM A HELP WITH THEIR DOWN PAYMENT.

SECONDARILY, WHAT I THINK MS. ERICKSON AND JACK WERE SAYING AS IT RELATES TO HOW WE TREAT THE OVERALL PROGRAM BEYOND THOSE ONE-OFFS, WE ACTUALLY WILL WORK WITH DEVELOPERS AND/OR BUILDERS OR PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT KNEE TO HELP BUY DOWN ULTIMATELY THE COST OF THE HOME AND WILL EITHER PROVIDE THAT DIRECTLY TO THE HOMEOWNER ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING OR THE BUILDER AND/OR THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH AS A CITY TO NOT JUST FIND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER THINGS ON THE PROJECT, BUT THEN ALSO SAY TO THEM, WHEN SINCE YOU'RE BUILDING THE HOMES FOR PEOPLE OF AFFORDABLE RANGES, WE WILL ALSO ASSIST ANY ELIGIBLE BUYER WITH DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE TO ACTUALLY LOWER THAT COST FURTHER SO THAT WE CAN MEET THE PRICE POINT OF WHAT THE HOUSE IS AND ALLOW THE PERSON TO GET IN TO AND BE ABLE TO AFFORD THE MORTGAGES.

AGAIN, I THINK AS COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA, MENTIONED,

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I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE AROUND SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT THAT WE KNOW OF, THAT WE KNOW WE'LL NEED THE ASSISTANCE, SO I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE A PROBLEM ONCE THOSE UNITS COME ON BOARD IN SPENDING THE RESOURCES.

THAT WAS A LONG-WINDED ANSWER TO THE 400 AND 400, BUT THIS IS AN ENTIRE PACKAGE, SO IT IS INCLUDED IN THE OVERALL CONVERSATION AND YOU'RE FOCUSING ON CDBG, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS MARRIED WITH THE HOME PROGRAM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I DID ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I APPRECIATE IT.

SO THE TOTALITY OF THE BUYING DOWN OF THE HOMES PRICE IS INCLUDED IN THE 16 CLIENTS THAT WERE SERVED THE 16 RESIDENTS?

>> THEY'D HAVE TO LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT WHO CLOSED AND IF THEY WERE ATTACHED TO A PROJECT OF OURS OR IF THEY WERE PURCHASING A HOUSE ON THE OPEN MARKET.

>> I GUESS WHAT I CONTINUE TO SAY IS THAT FOR $40,000 TO HELP 16 RESIDENTS, AS A POLICY, MORE INCLINED TO WANT TO USE THAT MONEY TO HELP PUBLIC FACILITIES WITH SIDEWALKS AND FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS FOR ADA THAT WILL HELP THOUSANDS OF DALLAS RESIDENCE, SPECIFICALLY IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN THAT'S HELPING OUR STUDENTS GET TO SCHOOL, THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE TWO BILLION DOLLARS OF NEED FOR THAT.

MY MOTION WAS TO MOVE THE 400,000 THAT CAME FROM CDBG, NOT THE DOLLAR THAT CAME FROM HOME AND MOVE THAT TO PUBLIC FACILITIES SPECIFICALLY FOR SIDEWALKS IN ADA.

I DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR EXPLANATION.

>> WE JUST NEED THE MOTION NOW BECAUSE THE DEBATE IS COMING

>> THAT'S THE MOTION.

>> STATE THE MOTION AGAIN VERY CLEARLY SO WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND FOR IT, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A STRAW VOTE AFTER THE DEBATE ON IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> THE MOTION IS TO MOVE 400 OF THE 800,000 THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR NEW HOME BUYERS ASSISTANCE TO PUBLIC FACILITIES, SPECIFICALLY SIDEWALKS AND ADA IMPROVEMENT.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN SECONDED. A DISCUSSION HERE WITH MENDELSOHN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> REGULATE YOUR FIVE-MINUTES ON YOUR MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER, I WANT TO SAY FOR PROVIDING YOUR INPUT CLEARLY, YOUR STAFF'S PRESENTATION REFLECTS YOUR POLICY OPINION.

BUT AT THIS POINT IT'S A POLICY DECISION OF THE FULL COUNSEL TO MAKE ABOUT WHAT PRIORITIES ARE.

AS AN EXPRESSION OF MY DISTRICT, I'M GOING TO SAY THE POLICY DIRECTION THAT THEY WOULD TAKE IS TO INVEST IN SIDEWALKS AND PUBLIC FACILITIES. THANK YOU.

>> SURE. GO AHEAD, MR. CITY MANAGER.

I'M GOING GOING TO GO TO CHAIRMAN BASIL IN FIVE MINUTES.

>> I WON'T GO BACK AND FORTH.

I APPRECIATE COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN'S COMMENTS.

I WOULD SAY BEYOND THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO PREPARE AND REVIEW IS ALSO THE REPRESENTATION OF PEOPLE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS APPOINTED TO THAT COMMISSION THAT I'VE LOOKED AT THIS BUDGET AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

I'M ASKING ROBERT PEREZ, OUR ACM, AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TO TALK THROUGH AND MAYBE BE ABLE TO SHARE AT SOME POINT ONE, THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS WE HAVE GOING FOR ADA ACCESS AND IMPROVEMENTS AND ACTUALLY WHAT WE MIGHT ACTUALLY GET OUT OF SIDEWALKS FOR $400,000, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE MORE THAN 2-3 STREETS IN THIS VAST AND BIG CITY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST HAVE SOME SPECIFICS ON WHAT WE THINK WE'RE BUYING WITH THE $400,000 THAT WILL HELP THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO TRAVERSE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON WHAT WE MIGHT GET OUT OF THIS BEFORE WE FINALLY TAKE A STRAW POLL. THANK YOU.

>> DID YOU WANT ME TO WAIT FOR ROBERT? ROBERT IS HERE? HE'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU.

CHAIRMAN BASIL, DO IT.

YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE ARE ON THIS MENDELSOHN'S MOTION ON THE 400,000. HOLD ON. [OVERLAPPING]

>> REAL QUICK. ROBERT SHARES WITH ME THAT WOULD BE ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS BOTH SIDES UTILIZING THOSE DOLLARS FOR THE $400,000 IF IT WENT TO SIDEWALKS..

>> FIVE-MINUTE, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE QUESTIONING WITH DR. PEREZ, IF POSSIBLE.

>> MR. PEREZ, IF YOU COULD TAKE A SEAT AT THE PANEL TABLE DOWN THERE AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ALL THAT FOR THE FOLKS WATCHING.

>> I'M ROBERT PEREZ DALLAS CITY MANAGER.

>> HEY, DR. PEREZ, HOW ARE YOU?

>> DOING WELL, SIR.

>> DOING WELL. THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION IS ABOUT FOUR BLOCKS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? I KNOW THAT A LOT IN MY DISTRICT HAS GOTTEN DONE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

HOW AGGRESSIVE ARE WE ADDRESSING THE ADA COMPLIANCE?

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>> SO FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE BEEN BUDGETARY ABOUT $6.4 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS.

WHILE WE'RE COMPLETED THOSE SIDEWALKS, WE DO THE ADA RAMPS AS WELL.

AS PART OF THE BOND WE'VE ALSO HAD ABOUT SIX MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S BEEN SPLIT BETWEEN THE 2017 BOND.

SIX MILLION DOLLARS HAS BEEN SPLIT BETWEEN THE 50/50 SIDEWALK PROGRAM AS WELL AS ADA RAMPS. I WILL JUST SHARE THAT.

NOW THAT WE'VE [NOISE] BEEN PRETTY AGGRESSIVE OUR MASTER PLAN, I THINK WE'VE SPENT ABOUT $15-16 MILLION OVER THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS.

I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT $15 MILLION LEFT OF THE $30 MILLION THAT WAS INITIALLY IDENTIFIED IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.

THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN OUR BUDGET AND BETWEEN THE POTENTIAL DART SALES TAX REVENUES WERE LOOKING TO FUND THE REMAINING $15 MILLION OUT OF THOSE DOLLARS IF WE DO RECEIVE THEM.

>> THANK YOU, DR. PEREZ.

SO WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ABOUT 50% OF WHAT OUR EXPECTED INVESTMENT IS AND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW IS ESSENTIALLY LITTLE.

WHERE'S THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THIS IS COMPARED TO THE SCALE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING RIGHT NOW THAT'S BEEN INVESTED IN.

>> OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS LIKE $15-16 MILLION OUT OF ABOUT A $2 BILLION NEED.

I COULD DO THE MATH REALLY QUICK, BUT IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL.

>> IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL.

>> AGAIN, NOW WE'RE HOPING TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS THROUGH THESE EXCESS SALES TAX REVENUES THAT MAY COME FROM DARK, AS WELL AS OUR ANNUAL BUDGET.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO STAY FOCUSED ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THIS IS A GREAT USE FOR THESE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.

I THINK THAT THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN HAS A PLAN AND WE'VE BEEN EXECUTING IT ON TARGET.

I KNOW THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE KNOW FOOT PROJECTS, FOR INSTANCE, IN OUR CITY THAT HAS COME TO A TIME WHEN INFLATION AND DIFFERENT HICCUPS THROUGH THE PROJECTS HAS DELAYED IT AND HERE WE ARE AWARE PRODUCT COST IS SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME HINDRANCE FOR SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE EXPECTING TO GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE TO START TURNING DIRT.

THESE ARE THE EXACT TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED BY STAFF WOULD HELP TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE, WOULD HELP US TO BRING WORKFORCE, HOUSING, AND PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY.

WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WE CAN LEVERAGE OUR PRIVATE SECTOR TO ALSO ENHANCE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND INCLUDING SIDEWALKS AND OF COURSE, NOW THE STANDARD IS ADA COMPLIANCE GOING FORWARD.

I THINK THAT THIS IS VERY MINISCULE IN THE OVERALL NEED FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE PROPOSED TO ADDRESS.

I THINK THAT IN THE END, WE'RE GOING TO BE TAKING AN OPPORTUNITY AWAY FROM 40 POTENTIAL NEW HOMEOWNERS IN OUR CITY THAT COULD USE THIS ASSISTANCE TO HELP GET THESE OTHER PROJECTS DONE.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS AND I ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> CHAIRMAN ATKINS, RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES OR CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN'S MOTION ABOUT THE 400,000.

>> THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN MENDELSOHN FOR THE MOTION.

I'M TRYING TO DO SOME MATH.

WE WERE DOING THE KNEE THE INVENTORY LISTS FOR SIDEWALK.

IS THAT CORRECT, DR. PARIS?

>> YES, SIR. WE'RE DOING THE NEEDS INVENTORY OVERALL.

>> IN DISTRICT EIGHT I FELT I GOT ABOUT 740 SOMETHING PROJECT IN INVENTORY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEED, INVENTORY IS PROBABLY DISTRICT 9 IS NUMBER 1, DISTRICT 6 IS NUMBER 2, AND DISTRICT 8 IS NUMBER 3 IN THE INVENTORY IN SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

>> I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS SIR.

>> THERE'S CHART THAT WE GAVE THAT YOUR STAFF GAVE US SO DO WE KNOW WHAT A TOTAL AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IS AFTER THE IMMATURE FOR SIDEWALLS ADA.

>> I'D HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT, SIR.

I CAN TELL YOU OVERALL FOR ADA THOUGH, WE DO HAVE AN OUTSTANDING BACKLOG OF ABOUT $54 MILLION FOR ADA RAMPS.

>> IF THE CHAIRMAN WOULD ASK ME CAN I ADDRESS THE CHAIRMAN FOR THE QUESTION IF SHE ASKED ME?

>> OF COURSE, TO ANSWER AND ACCOUNTING AT YOUR TIME.

>> NO PROBLEM. CHAIRMAN THIS $400,000, I SEE YOUR MERIT OF DOING THAT, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET THE ADA BECAUSE IT'S FIT TO SOME MILLION DOLLARS, SO IT'S JUST A SMALL FRACTION.

WHY WOULD YOU TAKE MINE AND PRINT FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER TO PUT AN ADA?

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>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE EVER ASSISTED 40 HOME BUYERS.

I WOULD WELCOME YOU TO, PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT EVERY YEAR THAT I'VE LOOKED AT IT, IT'S BEEN, I BELIEVE LESS THAN 20.

THIS IS ALLOCATING DOLLARS THAT WON'T EVEN USE FOR THAT AND WE'LL END UP REALLOCATING THEM AND SO IN THIS CASE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM AGAIN CONNECTING TO SCHOOLS SO THAT HUNDREDS OF KIDS CAN WALK TO SCHOOL SAFELY AND CREATING THE ADA CUTS THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IF WE HAVE A BACKLOG AND PUBLIC WORKS AND DOING THAT, SHAME ON US LET'S GET ON IT BUT WE NEED THAT.

THIS IS A 32-YEAR LAW.

WE HAVE A GRAYING OF AMERICA.

WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO NEED THIS ACCESSIBILITY THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU PORTION THAT PEREZ SIDEWALKS TO SCHOOL IT SAYS DISD RESPONSIBILITY.

>> I THINK THAT THE DISD MAINLY TAKES CARE OF THE SIDEWALKS ON THEIR CAMPUS AND MAYBE ADJACENT TO THE CAMPUS BUT TYPICALLY THEY'RE GOING TO BE CITY OF DALLAS'S RESPONSIBILITY IF THERE ARE ON A MATE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT THE SIDEWALK CODE DOES STIPULATE THAT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBLE FOR SIDEWALKS.

>> THAT'LL BE THE CITY RESPONSIBLE FOR ADA?

>> IF IT'S ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT TYPICALLY THE SIDEWALKS THAT WERE FRONT OF SCHOOL WERE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE SCHOOL.

>> SCHOOL DO HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITY.

>> BY CODE. YES, SIR.

>> DO WE KNOW THE AMBULATORY ADA RESPONSIBILITY DISD HAVE NOT PUT IN INVENTORY THAT THEY SHOULD BE FINANCING?

>> I DON T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP MY HEAD SIR, BUT I WAS ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY, AS A CITY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADA RAMPS.

>> WELL, SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, WHY WON'T YOU GET WITH DISD? YOU SAID THEY MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME ADA IMPROVEMENTS SO THIS SKILL INVENTORY AND FIND OUT WHAT THAT NUMBER IS.

WHAT ABOUT A MICROPHONE DIRT, THEY ALWAYS 100 SUDDEN MILLION DOLLARS SO WHAT ABOUT DIRT MONEY? DO THEY HAVE MONEY TO HELP US WITH ADA GOING TO THE BUS STOP BUS ROUTE?

>> AS PART OF THAT EXTRA SALES TAX REVENUES, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROGRAM IN ABOUT $15 MILLION OF THAT TO SIDEWALK PROJECTS.

>> WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY IF WE GET IT FROM DARK THERE, WE CAN APPROPRIATE FOR SIDEWALKS.

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> I GUESS I'LL OPEN UP THIS HERE.

I MIGHT BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN, BUT THE REPORT THAT I GOT FROM YOUR OFFICE, THAT DISTRICT 9, DISTRICT 6, AND DISTRICT 8, IN THAT ORDER HAD A MORE INVENTORY THAN ANYONE IN THE WHOLE CITY OF DALLAS, SO I KNOW WE NEED MORE, BUT HOW DO WE GET IT? BUT I THINK WE JUST LOOK AT IT, BUT I THINK THE 400,000 DOLLARS FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYER IS DAVID HOUSING HERE SOME APPREHENSION.

>> DAVID IS NOT HERE TODAY THAT'S WHY WE'RE SITTING HERE.

LET ME ALSO MAKE A CORRECTION THAT THE FUNDING IS FOR 20 UNITS, NOT 40, SO IF WE TAKE AWAY THE 400,000, WE ALREADY HAVE FOLKS IN THE PIPELINE.

WE'VE APPROVED SEVEN PEOPLE THIS YEAR ALREADY, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE FOR DOWNPAYMENT ASSISTANCE.

>> WE GOT MORE PEOPLE IN THE PIPELINE THAN MONEY.

>> CURRENTLY WE DO, YES SIR.

>> I DO KNOW THAT IN DISTRICT 8, WE HAVE PROBABLY CLOSE TO 500, 700 NEW HOMES COMING UP NOW IN DISTRICT 8.

>> YES SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHARWOMAN SCHULTZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED EARLIER ABOUT MONEY NOT BEING SPENT.

WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CANNOT SPEND ALL THE MONEY FOR THIS PROGRAM OR ANY OF THEM?

>> YES. THE BUDGET OFFICE GOES THROUGH AN EXTENSION THROUGH REPROGRAMMING PROCESS AND WHEN WE HAVE LEFTOVER MONEY, IT GOES THROUGH THAT PROCESS OF REPROGRAMMING TO SOME OTHER ACTIVITY THAT WE DO, SUCH AS DEVELOPMENT OR PUBLIC WORKS OR WHATEVER OTHER PROGRAMS WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO MOVE THE MONEY TO.

>> WHEN THE COMMISSION DID THEIR WORK AND PRESENTING THIS TO US IN PREPARING THIS FOR US, DO THEY WORK TO KEEP CATEGORIES WITHIN CATEGORIES SO IF IT GETS REPROGRAMMED FROM HOUSING DO THEY WORK TO TRY TO KEEP IT WITHIN HOUSING OR IS IT ALL LIQUID?

>> YES, THEY DO WORK, BUT THEY ARE THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ALSO VERY HANDS-ON ABOUT THE RULES AND THE COMPLIANCE.

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ONE OF THE THINGS IS THAT YES, IT ENDS IN THE HOUSE AND DEPARTMENT OR IN PUBLIC FACILITY BECAUSE THOSE ARE WHAT WE CALL NON-CAPPED CATEGORIES.

THE OTHER CATEGORIES, SOME OF OUR SOCIAL SERVICES AND SOME OF THE OTHERS TO HAVE LIMITS SO WE CAN'T ADD MONEY TO THEM, BUT HOUSING IS ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE HUD DOES NOT HAVE A CAT, AND SO IT ALWAYS EVENTUALLY ENDS UP IN THE HOUSING ACTIVITY.

>> GOT YOU AND THEN ARE YOU ALLOWED ALSO THE CONVERSE IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE DON'T SPEND IT ALL ARE WE ALLOWED BY HUD TO USE IT FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT HOUSING-RELATED?

>> YOU COULD BUT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT IS PRIMARILY LIMITED TO HOUSING AND PUBLIC FACILITIES BECAUSE THE OTHER CATEGORIES BE THE FAIR HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES TO THE PUBLIC SERVICES WHICH ARE SOCIAL, THOSE ARE KEPT CATEGORIES SO YOU CAN'T ADD MONEY TO THEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT YOU RUN THEM EXCEEDING THE CAP.

THE TWO UNCAPPED CATEGORIES FOR HUD WHICH IS BUILDING COMMUNITIES, THE HOUSING ACTIVITIES, AND THE PUBLIC FACILITIES.

THOSE ARE NOT KEPT BUT THEN OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES THE OTHER END TO THAT IS THOSE PROJECTS TAKE A LONG TIME AND HUD TEST US EVERY YEAR, 1.5, IF YOU HAVE TOO MUCH MONEY, WILL YOU HAVE PROJECT MONEY PARKED AND PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT SPENT THEN YOU LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

AGAIN, THE HOUSING BONDS TYPICALLY MOVE FASTER AND MORE OF A NEED THAN IN THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, WE TEND TO NOT WANT TO DO THINGS EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT TAKES A YEAR TO GET IT GOING, GET IT FINISHED DESIGN.

YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT TIME SO YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY PARKED FOR A YEAR.

>> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

THEN IN TERMS OF THE MOTION ON THE TABLE ARE HOME DOLLARS LIMITED TO A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC?

>> HOME DOLLARS ARE LIMITED TO HOUSING, PERIOD. NO PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURES

>> [OVERLAPPING] THEN WITHIN THAT AND THIS MAY BE WHAT YOU ANSWERED PREVIOUSLY AND I'M JUST CATCHING UP BECAUSE YOU KNOW SO MUCH MORE ABOUT THIS.

HOW COULD WE EVEN USE IT FOR FUN, FOR SIDEWALKS ANYWAY?

>> YOU CAN. YOU CAN USE HOME DOLLARS FOR SIDEWALKS.

>> SO THIS WHOLE MOTION IS MOVED.

>> I BELIEVE HER MOTION WAS ABOUT CDBG.

>> OVERALL. I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

>> JUST CDBG.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE GOING TO ANSWER FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MORRIS, I WANTED TO START WITH CHAIR AND YOUR TEAM.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AS A FORMER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSIONER FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

I KNOW IT GETS CONFUSING HOW THESE DOLLARS WORK AND JUST EVEN RIGHT NOW YOUR EXPLANATION, I COULD SEE SOME FOLKS, NOT JUST HERE, BUT ALSO I CAN SEE THEM AT HOME EVEN THOUGH I CAN'T REALLY SEE THEM.

JUST OUR EYES GLAZING OVER LIKE WHAT DID SHE JUST SAY? YOU CAN USE THESE BUCKETS IN THAT BUCKET AND YOU HAVE A CAP HERE, BUT NOT HERE, AND MR. THOMAS, WE SERVED TOGETHER AND HE WAS THE VICE CHAIRMAN AT ONE POINT, THE CHAIR AS WELL AT ONE POINT, AND SO I KNOW HE CAN ATTEST TO HOW CONFUSING THESE DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF MONEY GET.

CDBG FUNDS ARE FEDERAL FUNDS, RIGHT?

>> YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

>> WE HAVE A LOT OF RULES AND WE'RE LIMITED ON WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T USE THESE FUNDS FOR, DEPENDING ON THE BUCKET, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> WHERE I'M GETTING AT COLLEAGUES IS MR. MAYOR, IS THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, OUR COMMISSIONERS GETS SENT THIS, THEY'RE PRESENTED, THEY GO THROUGH IT AND I'VE BEEN IN THAT ROOM, AND IT BECOMES VERY INTENSE BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> WE ALL WANT MORE FOR THESE LIMITED AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AND WE'RE TRYING TO, IN THAT COMMISSION, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO REPROGRAM AND CHANGE, DO WHAT YOU CAN IN ORDER TO HELP THE COMMUNITY, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WITHIN THE RULES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> RIGHT. OUR FOLKS THAT WE APPOINTED, MR. MAYOR, EACH OF US HERE DID A LOT OF HOMEWORK, A LOT OF RESEARCH, AND THEY HAVE SENT THIS RECOMMENDATION TO US.

THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO US, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> I KNOW AS A FORMER COMMISSIONER AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MR. THOMAS, BUT I'LL LET HIM SPEAK FOR HIMSELF AS A FORMER COMMISSIONER AND CHAIR OF THIS COMMISSION, HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO TRYING TO BRING US A GOOD WELL-THOUGHT THROUGH RECOMMENDATION, AND SO YOU JUST HEARD COLLEAGUES AND MR. MAYOR, THE ROBUST PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN THAT WE APPROVED $6.4 MILLION IN

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ORDER TO HELP WITH ADA AND SIDEWALKS AND THOSE THINGS THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR WITH THESE DOLLARS.

WE ALSO HAVE AN INFRASTRUCTURE ACT.

IS THAT CORRECT, DR. PEREZ SITTING OUT THERE?

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT ARE WE USING THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE FOR SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS IN ORDER TO ASK FOR GRANTS AND FUNDS THAT WE CAN MATCH SOME OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE TOWARDS SIDEWALKS AND ADA INFRASTRUCTURE?

>> WE ARE, SIR.

>> YEP, AND SO AS THOSE COME THROUGH, MR. MAYOR, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WINNING SOME OF THESE DOLLARS FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THANKFULLY PRESIDENT BIDEN SIGNED.

THE NEXT THING THAT WE HAVE IS DARK EXCESS TAX REVENUE.

IS THAT CORRECT DR. PEREZ POTENTIALLY?

>> POTENTIALLY STILL WORKING ON IT, BUT YES.

>> RIGHT. POTENTIALLY WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT COLLEAGUES, AND MR. MAYOR I'VE APPOINTED TWO WONDERFUL FOLKS TO WORK WITH DART AND DR.

PEREZ AND CHAIRMAN BASIL AND CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ IN ORDER TO GET THAT NEGOTIATION DONE, AND I HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM THEM THAT THINGS ARE MOVING WELL AND WE'RE GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO BEING ABLE TO GET THOSE DOLLARS.

POTENTIALLY WE HAVE $15 MILLION THAT WE WOULD BE PUTTING TOWARDS SIDEWALKS IN ADA. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WE'RE LOOKING AT PROGRAMMING 15 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS AND 55 OR 54 MILLION FOR THE ADA RAMPS.

>> 55 PLUS 15 MILLION IN ORDER TO DO ALL OF THIS, AND I'M FOR POTENTIAL IS THAT $70 MILLION IN ORDER TO DO THIS.

400,000 ISN'T REALLY GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING COMPARED TO THAT 70 MILLION MR. MAYOR.

I KNOW OF THAT 70 MILLION, WHEN ANY OF THOSE DOLLARS BE ELIGIBLE FOR US TO POTENTIALLY DO MATCHES IF GRANTS COME THROUGH WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE PROJECTS FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE ACT?

>> WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE SOME OF THAT FUNDING FOR MATCH, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

>> VERY GOOD. THAT'S SOME REALLY EXCITING NEWS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE HAPPENING.

THE OTHER THING IS, WE'D HEARD ABOUT SCHOOL DISTRICTS HAVING RESPONSIBILITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

NOT ALL THE CITY ISN'T JUST THE ISD IS PLANO ISD, OUR PLANO ISD AND RICHARDSON ISD, RESPONSIBLE ALSO FOR THE SIDEWALKS AND ADA RAMPS IN FRONT OF THEIR SCHOOLS.

>> YES, THERE ARE ANY PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

>> VERY GOOD, AND WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE AS WE WORK WITH THOSE ENTITIES BECAUSE OFTEN WE COME BACK WITH BUDGET ITEMS TO HELP THOSE ISDS OUT AND WE DON'T DO THE SAME FOR DIST.

LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TREATING ALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS EQUALLY AND WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR THEM TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR THINGS.

I UNDERSTAND THE SPIRIT OF THIS AMENDMENT, MR. MAYOR, BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT IT BECAUSE FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR HOME BUYER ASSISTANCE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THEM OFF THE TAX ROLL AND NOT GETTING THEM ON THERE TO ADD GENERATIONAL WEALTH AND ADD THEM INTO THE TAX ROLLS IN ORDER FOR US TO GROW OUR BUDGETS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST THIS MOTION. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, YOUR ANSWER FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANTED TO JUST GET A LITTLE CLARIFICATION, PARTICULARLY ON THE CONVERSATION AROUND DART WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE'D BEEN WAITING PATIENTLY TO REAP SOME OF THOSE BENEFITS, AND THANK YOU CHAIR FOR YOUR APPOINTMENTS TO THE COMMITTEE THAT'S TRYING TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.

THE QUESTION I HAVE HAS TO DO WITH MR. MICHAEL MORRIS, COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT HIS ROLE IS AS RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE SO I CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET SOME BENEFIT FROM THIS WORK?

>> MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD.

MR. MORRIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A VERY GOOD FACILITATOR BETWEEN DART AND THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I THINK AT ONE OF OUR LAST JOINT DART TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE STARTED DISCUSSING ABOUT A LIST OF ABOUT $36 MILLION WORTH OF ITEMS THAT BETTERMENT THAT DART WAS TRYING TO COLLECT FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT MR. MORRIS, THROUGH HIS LEADERSHIP, HAS HELPED WHITTLED DOWN THAT LIST, I'M NOT READY TO GIVE A FINAL NUMBER, BUT HE HAS HELPED FACILITATE A LOT OF IT DOWN TO A MANAGEABLE THINK NUMBER 4 FOR US, AND BOTH FOR DART.

HE'S ALSO COMMITTED SOME FUNDS TO SOME OF THAT LIST AS WELL.

HE'S BEEN A GREAT PARTNER AS FAR AS FACILITATING THAT LIST OF BETTERMENT.

HE'S ALSO HELPED US LOOK AT MORE HOLISTIC VIEW OF SOME OF

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THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT DART AND THE CITY OF DALLAS CAN WORK ON TOGETHER SO THAT IF SOMEONE WERE TO ASK ME, HAS HE HELPED US, HE'S DEFINITELY HELPED US AND HAS BEEN AGAIN, A GREAT LEADER TO HELP FACILITATE SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING.

>> THE INFERENCE THAT I'M GETTING FROM THAT STATEMENT IS THAT AS IT RELATES TO INFRASTRUCTURE, HE'S TAKEN THE STRONG LEADERSHIP ON AND I KNOW HE'S COMMITTED TO ME AS WELL IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT HE USES EVERY TOOL HE HAS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ABLE TO RECEIVE SOME OF THE FUNDS AND RESOURCES FOR THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, AND HE'S ALSO DONE THAT IN THE 10TH STREET AREA AND ALSO THINK IT'S COMING THROUGH CADILLAC HEIGHTS, AND SO I DON'T DOUBT THAT HE WILL BE HELPING US.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE THAT WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STRENGTHENING THE INFRASTRUCTURE PACKAGE AND PARTICULARLY WITH MR. MORRIS.

I THANK YOU. ALSO FOR YOUR WORK, I CONTINUE TO SAY THAT I KNOW YOU AND THE OTHERS HAVE MR. GUS HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS FOR A WHILE, BUT WANTED TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR MOTION TO AMEND.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT WHAT STAFF IS PREPARING, BUT JUST KNOW SO THE PUBLIC HEARS ALSO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RUN SHORT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE DO SPEAK TO OUR COMMITMENT ON HOUSING AND SUPPORTING THOSE 40 INDIVIDUALS, AND WE'LL HAVE TO REV THAT UP TO DO THAT.

BUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT GOING TO GO FALL SHORT.

I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE I'VE PUT THEM IN THE RECORD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN NEVARES, YOUR TASK FORCE.

AMIR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT, BUT I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION.

THANK YOU, STAFF, AS WELL.

>> CHAIRWOMAN [INAUDIBLE] YOU WILL ANSWER FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE MOTION?

>> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I SECONDED THIS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD TODAY SO WE CAN DISCUSS THE BENEFITS, HOW MUCH WE'VE ALREADY GOT BUDGETED, WHAT THE IMPACT IS ON OUR COMMUNITY, AND CERTAINLY SIDEWALKS WOULD BE HELPFUL IN MOVING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

WE ALSO ARE IN A HOUSING CRISIS, SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR SO MANY AFFIRM OUR NEED FOR MORE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IT DOESN'T PLAY OUT JUST ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, BUT ON ITEMS ALL THE TIME.

I TOO HAVE SERVED ON CDC.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S TREMENDOUS VETTING THAT GOES ON IN THAT COMMITTEE HAS ALSO PUSHED BACK ON SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE.

I APPRECIATE THE SERVICE OF CHAIR RUBIN AND THE OTHER COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

I'M GOING TO GO ON AND ADVOCATE FOR KEEPING THE HOUSING LINE ITEM IN THIS WHERE YOU'VE GOT IT ASSIGNED.

IT MAY BE 20 UNITS, BUT THAT COULD BE 20 FAMILIES AND THAT'S MEANINGFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. ON PAGE 8 OF THE PRESENTATION, IT SAYS THAT THE CDC CONCURRED WITH A CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET AND NO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

THERE ARE NO PROPOSED AMENDMENTS MADE?

>> NO, MA'AM.

>> THAT'S PRETTY UNUSUAL, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> RIGHT AND A LOT OF WORK, YES, MA'AM.

>> I MEAN, I I'VE WATCHED THIS DISCUSSION YEAR AFTER YEAR AND USUALLY IT IS QUITE ROBUST.

WELL, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION, PLEASE.

>> IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? HEARING NONE.

[LAUGHTER] THE MOTION IS WITHDRAWN.

WE'RE BACK NOW TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO HAVE A GENERAL DISCUSSION ON ITEM A. CHAIRWOMAN MILLS ARE YOU OUT OF ROUNDS ON ITEM A? YOU DID ALL THREE ON ITEM A.

>> I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID?

>> I SAID YOUR MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.

THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO IT, SO WE'RE NO LONGER ON YOUR MOTION AND WE'RE BACK TO DISCUSSION ITEM A, AND UNDER OUR RULES, YOU'VE SPOKEN TO USE ALL THREE OF YOUR ROUNDS ON ITEM A?

>> YES. I'M SORRY. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.

>> OH, YES. ANYONE ELSE? MR. CITY MANAGER, WE'RE READY FOR THE NEXT ITEM. THANK YOU, MEMBERS.

[B. 23-1020 FY 2023-23 Mid-Year Budget Amendments]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING, BRIEFING B.

THE SECOND BRIEFING ITEM THIS MORNING IS DISCUSSION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 MIDYEAR BUDGET ORDINANCE.

EVERY YEAR WE WORKED THROUGH A PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING THE BUDGET PLAN.

IT BECOMES NECESSARY TO MAKE VARIOUS ADJUSTMENTS THAT REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

THE BRIEFING TODAY WILL WALK YOU THROUGH ALL OF THOSE PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED, AND AT THIS TIME I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MY BUDGET TEAM AND JACK IRELAND TO BEGIN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL.

>> THANK YOU, MR. BROADNAX.

AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, I'M JACK IRELAND,

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CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER, I'M JOINED WITH JANETTE WEEDON AND IVAN WELL AND SHANNON WILLIAMS FROM BUDGET MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

ON SLIDE 2, JUST AS AN OVERVIEW OF THE BRIEFING, WE HAVE A FEW SLIDES ON BACKGROUND, WE WANT TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO THE CURRENT YEAR.

WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS AT THE END OF THE BRIEFING.

IN REGARDS TO BACKGROUND, OUR BUDGET AND OUR BUDGET PROCESS IS GOVERNED IN MANY WAYS BY THE CITY CHARTER, THE CITY CHARTER OUTLINES OUR REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO AN ANNUAL APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.

THE CITY CHARTER INDICATES THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO GO OVER BUDGET, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS TO THE CURRENT YEAR.

CITY COUNCIL, AS YOU KNOW, ADOPTED THE BUDGET BACK IN SEPTEMBER FOR THE CURRENT YEAR THAT STARTED OCTOBER 1ST AND RUNS THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 23.

AS MR. BROADNAX MENTIONED, AS WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WE'RE SIX MONTHS, SEVEN MONTHS INTO THE YEAR.

WE HAVE REALIZED THAT THERE ARE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED AND SO WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE TODAY.

ON SLIDE 4, SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS THAT COME UP THAT WE SEE THAT REQUIRE US TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, PERHAPS MIGHT BE EXCESS OR AN BUDGETED REVENUE.

YOU WILL SEE THAT FOR THE GENERAL FUND AS WE GO THROUGH THE BRIEFING, WE HAVE SOME EXCESS SALES TAX REVENUE THAT IS ABOVE OUR BUDGET FOR THE CURRENT YEAR.

WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE USE OF THAT.

WE HAVE ADJUSTMENTS TO ADDRESS FORECAST OVERRUNS.

IN PARTICULAR THIS YEAR WE'VE REPORTED IN OUR BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT EACH MONTH AS AN EXAMPLE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS EXPECTED TO GO OVER BUDGET AND WE WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, AND WE HAVE THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR BRIEFING.

WE MAY PRESENT TO YOU APPROPRIATIONS FOR NEW PROGRAMS OR SERVICES AND IN THIS CASE, IT WOULD BE SUCH AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, HOW WE WANT TO CHANGE OUR STRATEGY ON HOW WE'RE FUNDING THAT.

WE WILL HAVE THAT IN THIS DISCUSSION THIS MORNING AND ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS ARE OTHER GRANTS AND TRUST, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP, SUCH AS THE USE OF FUND BALANCE, FUND BALANCE THAT MAY HAVE ACCUMULATED FROM PRIOR YEARS SURPLUS REVENUE THAT WE WOULD BRING FORWARD THOSE FUNDS FOR US TO APPROPRIATE IN THE CURRENT YEAR.

AGAIN, ON SLIDE 4, SEVERAL DIFFERENT REASONS, TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PRESENTATION.

SLIDE 5, JUST AS AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THE CHANGES, THERE'S $317 MILLION OF INCREASE IN APPROPRIATIONS.

AGAIN, WE NEED APPROPRIATIONS IN ORDER TO SPEND THE MONEY, $317 MILLION OF APPROPRIATIONS, 21 OF THAT IS IN THE GENERAL FUND, AGAIN, PRIMARILY FROM SALES TAX, $35 MILLION IN GRANTS, TRUST AND OTHER FUNDS.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE GO THROUGH ENTERPRISE FUNDS, THIS IS PRIMARILY GOING TO BE DALLAS WATER UTILITY AND STORMWATER.

THERE'S $83 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE FROM PRIOR YEARS THAT IS PART OF THIS $96 MILLION.

AGAIN, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE DETAIL.

INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, THIS IS EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT, WE'VE HAD INCREASED COSTS RELATED TO FUEL AND SOME OF OUR SANITATION MAINTENANCE AND SO WE NEED THE INCREASE IN THE APPROPRIATIONS TO PAY THOSE TYPES OF EXPENSES AS WE GO THROUGH THE YEAR.

THEN IN CAPITAL FUNDS, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IS WHEN WE HAVE EXCESS SURPLUS OR FUND BALANCE AND THE WATER UTILITY, WE TRANSFER THAT OVER TO CAPITAL AND THEN WE APPROPRIATE IT IN CAPITAL FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THEIR PIPELINE WORK OR THEIR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE OR THERE OTHER CAPITAL NEEDS.

THAT BASICALLY GETS COUNTED TWICE.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS WE WILL DIVE INTO THE DETAILS OF THE $317 MILLION.

THIS PAGE JUST GIVES AN OVERVIEW, BUT I'M GOING TO TURN IT TO JEANETTE AND IVAN TO GO THROUGH THE DETAIL ON THE NEXT PAGES.

>> THANK YOU, JACK. AS JACK MENTIONED, THE BUDGET ORDINANCE INCLUDES AN AMENDMENT TO APPROPRIATE EXCESS REVENUE AS ALLOWED BY CITY CHARTER.

AS INDICATED IN THE FEBRUARY BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT, GENERAL FUND REVENUE IS FORECAST AT 24.5 MILLION OVER BUDGET.

THE BIGGEST DRIVERS OF THE INCREASE IN REVENUE ARE SALES TAX, INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE AND MISCELLANEOUS, WHICH INCLUDES AUTO AUCTION SALES.

THE BUDGET ORDINANCE APPROPRIATES 15.5 MILLION IN SALES TAX, THE FISCAL YEAR ADOPTED BUDGET FOR SALES TAX IS 417.2 MILLION AND THE ORDINANCE INCREASES THAN AMOUNTS OF 432.6 MILLION.

THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL REVENUE IS FORECAST AT 4.8 MILLION OVER BUDGET, AND THIS IS DUE PRIMARILY TO OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS.

DALLAS HAS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITIES OF COPPELL, IRVING, EULESS, AND GRAPEVINE.

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THESE AGREEMENTS ALLOW DALLAS AND THE CITY OF FORT WORTH TO SHARE IN CERTAIN REVENUE IN EXCHANGE FOR DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH OF THE AIRPORT PROPERTY THAT FALLS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THOSE CITIES.

THE FORECAST OF 4.8 MILLION ACTUALLY REFLECTS ACTUAL YEAR-TO-DATE.

THEN THE FINAL ITEM ON THIS PAGE IS MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE.

THIS REFLECTS YEAR-TO-DATE COLLECTIONS FOR AUTO AUCTION CELLS AND THIS FORECAST ASSUMES TRANSITION OF THE OUT-OF-TOWN PROGRAM TO A MANAGEMENT CONTRACT IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

YEAR-TO-DATE, OUR BUDGET FOR THIS CATEGORY IS 5.3 MILLION AND YEAR-TO-DATE COLLECTIONS ARE AT 4.7.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER 7, WE LIST THE PROPOSED ONETIME USES OF THE EXCESS REVENUE AND WE'RE STARTING WITH DALLAS FIRE RESCUE AT 3.6 MILLION.

YOU'LL SEE ARPA LISTED IN PARENTHESES AT 7.8 MILLION AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO SLIDE NUMBER 12.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THIS SLIDE, THE 1.6 MILLION IS FOR THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

THIS IS FOR AN EMERGENCY HOUSING OF INDIVIDUALS FROM ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING.

THIS AMOUNT INCLUDES THE COST OF LODGING, A CONTRACT OF VENDOR PERFORMING SERVICES, SECURITY SERVICES, FOOD, AND FOR APPROXIMATELY 90 DAYS.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THIS SLIDE, THIS IS THE PARK AND RECREATION PROJECTED OVERAGE DUE TO SECURITY AND SAFETY MEASURES AT PARK AND TRAIL FACILITIES AS WELL AS PARK MAINTENANCE.

THE FOURTH BULLET REFLECTS THE COST TO REPLACE THE HEATING SYSTEM AT CITY HALL IN TIME FOR THIS WINTER, THE TOTAL COST OF THAT PROJECT IS ACTUALLY 4.5 MILLION.

WE ARE USING 1.2 MILLION IN ARPA AND 3.3 MILLION FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

THE NEXT ITEM REFERS TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT MR. IRELAND MENTIONED.

WE ARE APPROPRIATING $7 MILLION OF THE EXCESS REVENUE FOR THIS PROJECT.

THIS WILL REFLECT A REALLOCATION OF ARPA FUNDS IN EXCHANGE FOR GENERAL FUNDS AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN I GET TO SLIDE NUMBER 12.

THE FUEL INCREASE REFLECTS THE REVISED FORECAST AS MR. IRELAND MENTIONED FROM EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT, AND SO WE'RE ALLOCATING FUNDS TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS LISTED THERE FOR THEIR PROJECTED OVERAGES.

THE ELECTION AMOUNT REFLECTS THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE RUNOFF ELECTION AND THE LAST ITEM ON THIS PAGE IS A ONETIME INCREASE IN PROCUREMENT FOR TEMPORARY STAFFING.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER 8, YOU SEE EXCESS REVENUE USED TO SUPPORT ONGOING FUNDING.

THIS REFLECTS A REALLOCATION OF POSITION AND FUNCTIONS BETWEEN NINE DEPARTMENTS, AND THEN THE REMAINING AMOUNT OR ANY REMAINING EXCESS REVENUE THAT WE REALIZED BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR WILL BE USED TO SUPPORT REMAINING COST OVERRUNS THAT WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR IN OUR BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER 9.

THE BUDGET ORDINANCE INCLUDES NET-ZERO TRANSFERS.

THIS IS PRIMARILY A REALLOCATION OF THE ONE-TIME BONUS.

WE BUDGETED THE ONE-TIME BONUS AND SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE.

WE'RE ALLOCATING THAT AMOUNT TO THE GENERAL FUND APARTMENTS.

THE NEXT ITEM, AS AN ADJUSTMENT TO PLANNING OUR URBAN DESIGN, THIS IS A NET-ZERO CHANGE AND IT REFLECTS WORK PERFORMED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

THE NEXT BULLET ON THIS SLIDE REFLECTS THE USE OF SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE FOR EQUITY ADJUSTMENTS IN THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE, AND THEN ANY REMAINING SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE ELIGIBLE COST OVERRUNS THAT ARE REPORTED IN A MONTHLY BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT WILL CONTINUE TO BE ADJUSTED FOR POSSIBLE ADJUSTMENTS AT YEAR-END.

MOVING ON TO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT ON SLIDE NUMBER 10, AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY RECEIVED 355.4 MILLION IN LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS.

THE PROPOSED USE OF FUNDS AND THE ACTUAL SPENDING PLAN WAS BRIEFED TO CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST THE 18TH OF 2021, AND THE SPENDING PLAN WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 22ND OF 2021.

THE APPROVED SPENDING FRAMEWORK IN 2021 WAS BASED ON A SPENDING PLAN THAT SPANS OVER THREE YEARS.

WE INCLUDED FUNDING IN FISCAL YEAR '22, FISCAL YEAR '23, AND FISCAL YEAR '24.

AS COMMUNICATED PREVIOUSLY, ALL FUNDS MUST BE ENCUMBERED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024 AND FULLY SPENT BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2026.

TODAY, WE ARE PROPOSING A REALLOCATION OF ARPA FUNDS TO ENSURE TIMELY EXPENDITURE OF THOSE FUNDS.

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ON SLIDE NUMBER 11, WE LIST SOME OF THE REASONS FOR THE PROPOSED ROUTE REALLOCATIONS.

OUR NEEDS AND PRIORITIES HAVE CHANGED.

WE HAVE UNALLOCATED FUNDING REMAINING.

I'VE USED THIS EXAMPLE BEFORE, BUT WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE BUDGET IN 2021, THERE WAS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ASSOCIATED WITH COVID.

THE BUDGET ALLOCATED 10.6 MILLION FOR TESTING AND VACCINATION.

WE'VE SPENT 2.3 MILLION.

ALSO, WE ARE ACCELERATING FUNDS FROM FISCAL YEAR '24 TO FISCAL YEAR '23 TO ADDRESS SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES.

THEN WE'LL ALSO, AS MR. IRELAND MENTIONED, PROPOSING A REALLOCATION OF SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO DALLAS FIRE RESCUE FOR OVERTIME.

WE RECENTLY LEARNED THAT ARPA IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE OF FUNDS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, HOWEVER, ARPA IS INAPPROPRIATE USE OF FUNDS FOR DFR OVERTIME.

NOW, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLOCATE THE FUNDS THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 12, WE PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN OF THE UNUSED FUNDS AND REALLOCATIONS.

THE CHANGES ON THIS SLIDE REFLECT A NET-ZERO.

THE FIRST ITEM I TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, WE SET ASIDE 10.6 MILLION FOR TESTING AND VACCINATION, AND WE SPENT 2.3 MILLION, AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REALLOCATE THE 8.3 THAT'S LISTED HERE.

THE NEXT ITEM REFLECTS THE FIVE MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

WE SET ASIDE TWO MILLION DOLLARS IN FISCAL YEAR '22, THREE MILLION DOLLARS IN FISCAL YEAR '23, AND SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO REALLOCATE THE FIVE MILLION, AND YOU'LL SEE THE USED AS AT THE BOTTOM.

THE 200,000 THAT'S LISTED HERE FOR DALLAS FIRE RESCUE IS JUST A CORRECTION, REALLOCATING THAT FUNDING TO INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS.

IN TOTAL, SOURCE OF FUNDS ON THIS SLIDE IS 13.6 MILLION, AND THE PROPOSED USES ARE LISTED HERE UNDER THE 13.6 MILLION.

WE'VE GOT THE 3.7 THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AT THE APRIL 26TH MEETING.

WE ARE USING 2.2 MILLION TO COMPLEMENT THE MONEY THAT WE SET ASIDE TO EXTEND WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICES TO UNSERVED AREAS.

YOU'LL SEE US USING 1.2 MILLION TO DFR FOR STATION ALERT SYSTEM, AND THEN 5.8 MILLION LISTED HERE TO BE ALLOCATED TO OVERTIME.

IN ALL 13.6 MILLION IDENTIFIED AS A SOURCE OF FUNDS, AND THEN 13.6 MILLION PROPOSED AS USE OF FUNDS.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER 13, I TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT ADVANCING FUNDS.

WE SHOW ADVANCEMENT OF 8.9 MILLION FROM FISCAL YEAR '24 TO FISCAL YEAR '23.

OF THE 8.9, 6.9 MILLION REFLECTS AN ACCELERATION OF FUNDING FOR DPD-MARKED VEHICLES.

THIS IS TO ADDRESS SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, AND YOU'LL SEE US REFER TO SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES FURTHER IN THE BRIEFING.

THIS BRINGS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR PATROL VEHICLES TO 14.9 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR '23.

THE REALLOCATION OF ARPA, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN.

BECAUSE ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, THIS PULLS THE TWO MILLION OF THE SEVEN MILLION FROM FISCAL YEAR '24 TO FISCAL YEAR '23, AND THIS BRINGS THE TOTAL AMOUNT TO FIRE, THE SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS.

IN TOTAL WE'RE TAKING THIS TWO MILLION FROM FISCAL YEAR '24 TO '23, THE 5.8 THAT WAS LISTED ON SLIDE NUMBER 12, THE GENERAL FUND CONTRIBUTION OF 3.6 MILLION ON SLIDE NUMBER 7, THIS BRINGS THE TOTAL TO FIRE TO ADDRESS THEIR OVERAGE OF 11.4 MILLION.

THIS AMOUNT TIES BACK TO THE AMOUNT THAT WE'VE BEEN REPORTING IN THE MONTHLY BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER 14, AGAIN, WE APPROPRIATE THE FUNDING IN THE GENERAL FUND AND THEN WE TRANSFER IT OVER TO GRANT, TRUST, AND OTHER TO APPROPRIATE IT, AND SO WE'RE SHOWING, AGAIN, THE SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

THE SECOND TRANSFER ON THIS SLIDE REFLECTS A REIMBURSEMENT FROM FEMA FROM WINTER STORM URI.

THIS PARTICULAR REIMBURSEMENT CREATES CAPACITY IN THE GENERAL FUND, AND SO WE'RE MOVING THAT CAPACITY TO THE DISASTER RESPONSE FUND THAT WAS CREATED AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR '22.

THIS BRINGS THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE DISASTER RESPONSE FUND FROM 200,000 TO 664,000.

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MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER 15, THERE ARE SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF OTHER APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE.

THERE'S THE 6.9 MILLION FOR ARPA, THERE'S 3.6 MILLION APPROPRIATED FROM CONFISCATED, FOR FLEET LEASES AND INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES, AND THEN, OF COURSE, NINE MILLION DOLLARS FOR DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE 16, YOU SEE THE REMAINING AMOUNTS APPROPRIATED IN GRANT, TRUST, AND OTHER CATEGORY.

WE LIST THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION OF HOT FOR CULTURAL PROGRAMS, APPROPRIATIONS FOR THE REFORESTATION FUND, AND THEN, AGAIN, THAT 2.2 MILLION FOR HOUSING FOR SERVING UNSERVED AREAS PROJECT.

THAT CONCLUDES THE GRANT, TRUST, AND OTHER AMENDMENTS OVERVIEW.

NEXT, YOU'LL HEAR FROM IVAN GUEL, TO DISCUSS THE REMAINING FUND CATEGORIES AND NEXT STEPS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. SWEDEN. GOOD MORNING.

IVAN GUEL, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FIRST FLIP THE ENTERPRISE FUND AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

WE'RE INCREASING THEM BY $10.7 MILLION, ONLY $100,000 OF WHICH IS A NEW APPROPRIATIONS THAT WE'RE ADDING IN THE ORDINANCE.

THE REMAINDER OF THE 10.6 OR SO MILLION THAT'S ALSO BEING ADDED WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED IN OTHER COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN THIS FISCAL YEAR.

FIVE MILLION DOLLARS FOR A SERVICE CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES, AND ABOUT $5.7 MILLION FOR BUILDING PERMITTING AND LAND MANAGEMENT SOLUTIONS SOFTWARE.

THAT $100,000 I ALLUDED TO EARLIER IS FOR THE TWO POSITIONS THAT MS. SWEDEN MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PAID FOR IN THE PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, FOR CONTRACT SERVICES, FOR PLANNING AND ZONING DURING THEIR PEAK SEASON, AGAIN, FOR PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, AND SIMILARLY, STORM DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT, WE ARE INCREASING THEIR ENTERPRISE FUND OPERATING BUDGETS BY 73 MILLION AND $10 BILLION RESPECTIVELY.

THEY'RE USING FUND BALANCE TO SUPPORT CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION AND EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.

WE'LL DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL FOR THEIR CAPITAL FUNDS TRANSFERS THAT THEY'RE DOING IN A FEW SLIDES.

BUT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS THAT TRANSFER OF THE CASH.

WE CANNOT SPEND OR TRANSFER THAT ACROSS FUNDS WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

$2.5 MILLION IS BEING INCREASED FOR CONVENTION EVENTS SERVICES.

THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT FIVE NEW POSITIONS FOR THE KAY BAILEY HUTCHINSON MASTER PLAN, AS WELL AS THE TRANSFER OF EXCESS REVENUE TO GET THEIR CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION FUND.

A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IS BEING INCREASED TO THE MUNICIPAL RADIO FUND.

THAT'S GOING TO SUPPORT A CONTRACT BUYOUT THAT CREATES SAVINGS ON THE NIELSEN CONTRACT.

SINCE OCA NO LONGER DOES ADD CELLS AND KERA GETS SIMILAR RATINGS AT A DISCOUNT THROUGH REPUBLIC RADIO CONSORTIUM, THIS IS A PREFERRED METHOD TO OBTAIN THOSE RATINGS AND IT WILL PROVIDE ULTIMATELY SAVINGS FOR THE FUND.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL SERVICE FUND AMENDMENTS, ONLY ONE DEPARTMENT IS BEING INCREASED RIGHT NOW, THAT IS EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT ABOUT THREE MILLION DOLLARS, AND THAT'S TO SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE FOR SANITATION MOVING TO THAT FIVE-DAY PER WEEK SCHEDULE UP FROM THE FOUR DAYS.

IT'S GOING TO PAY FOR ALSO CONTRACTED LABOR AND HIGHER FUEL COSTS, WHICH AFFECTED SOME DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, DALLAS FIRE RESCUE, PUBLIC WORKS, PARK AND RECREATION, TRANSPORTATION, AND SANITATION.

ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, TO START OFF SPEAKING ABOUT CAPITAL FUND AMENDMENTS, I WANTED TO TALK VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT OUR NEW VEHICLE ACQUISITION AND FUNDING INITIATIVES TO PROTECT THE CITY FROM DELAYS, AS MISS WEEDON MENTIONED, IN PURCHASING EQUIPMENT AND VEHICLES, OVER DOING A NEW MULTI-YEAR ACQUISITION AND FUNDING STRATEGY.

AGAIN, THAT'S PRIMARILY DUE TO A 12-18 MONTH TURNAROUND TIME FOR PUTTING IN ORDERS FOR EQUIPMENT.

IF WE WERE TO PUT IN SOMETHING TODAY, WE WOULDN'T RECEIVE THAT EQUIPMENT FOR 12-18 MONTHS.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS ADVANCING NOT ONLY MASTER LEASE BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS AND THE AMOUNT OF ABOUT 16 MILLION BUT ALSO EQUIPMENT ACQUISITION NOTES, BUDGETS THAT ARE ALREADY IN OUR PLANNED BUDGET, FROM FY-24 BEFORE WE'RE ADVANCING IT TO FY-23 SO THAT WE CAN PUT IN THOSE ORDERS SO THAT WE CAN RECEIVE THE EQUIPMENT AS PREVIOUSLY PLANNED IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND THIS DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE DEBT PAYMENT SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE ALREADY ASSUMED IN THE PLANNED BUDGETS AND BEYOND.

FY-25 AND BEYOND ARE NOT AFFECTED IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, AND THIS JUST ADDRESSES THAT INCREASED TURN-AROUND TIME FOR PUTTING IN ORDERS FOR VEHICLES.

ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, TALKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT CAPITAL FUND AMENDMENTS.

TWENTY SEVEN MILLION OF THE 161 MILLION THAT YOU SAW ON THE SLIDE I SHOWED THE BREAKOUT BY MR. IRELAND, 27 MILLION IS AGAIN, JUST FORMALIZING INTO THE ORDINANCE DOCUMENT,

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INCREASES TO VARIOUS CAPITAL FUNDS THAT WERE ALREADY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGHOUT THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

NINETY THREE MILLION OF THE 161 ARE NEW APPROPRIATION REQUESTS, AND AGAIN, BRINGING BACK THE 73 MILLION FOR DALLAS WATER UTILITIES AND OUR OPERATING FUND AND $10 MILLION FOR STORMWATER DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT.

THIS IS WHERE THE CASH WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO IN A COUPLE OF THEIR CAPITAL FUNDS.

IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL SHOW MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT SPECIFICALLY $83 MILLION WILL BE SPENT FOR.

BUT THERE'S ALSO AN INCREASE OF THAT $3.3 MILLION THAT MS. SWEDEN MENTIONED EARLIER, FOR HVAC SYSTEM UPGRADES, AND SPECIFICALLY JUST FOR HEATING WITH COOLING TO BE COMPLETED IN A LATER PHASE.

THERE'S ALSO $6.4 MILLION WORTH OF INCREASES AND OTHER CAPITAL FUNDS.

BUT IF NOT, I WANTED TO POINT OUT, THAT CEDARS TAX INCREMENT FINANCING FUND, THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE A THAT'S ABOUT TWO MILLION DOLLARS.

THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE A TRANSFER FOR EVERY KENYAN REDESIGN PROJECT TO BE HANDLED BY THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

THAT LAST BULLET THAT YOU'RE SEEING DOWN THERE, THE 46.3 MILLION IS A REPEAT FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT SHOWED OUR FUNDING ACQUISITION STRATEGY.

WE'LL SHOW THE BREAKOUT OF THAT SPECIFIC $46.3 MILLION, WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO PURCHASE WITH ALL THAT.

BUT AGAIN, THIS IS DUE TO THAT TO 18 MONTH TURNAROUND TIME THAT I MENTIONED A WHILE AGO.

ON THIS NEXT SLIDE, TO FINISH OFF, WE'RE ALMOST FINISHED OFF TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL FUND.

I WANTED TO DISCUSS THE $83 MILLION TRANSFER FROM OPERATING FUNDS.

AGAIN, TO START OFF THE DALLAS WATER UTILITY, $73 MILLION, 45 MILLION OF WHICH IS GOING TO BE USED FOR USING CASH INSTEAD OF THE COMMERCIAL PAPER PROGRAM.

THAT'S GOING TO REDUCE THE SIZE AND EXTEND THE TIMING FOR THE NEXT REVENUE BONDS, WHICH WILL GENERATE SAVINGS.

BUT SOME OF THESE WATER FACILITY PROJECTS DO INCLUDE THE BACHMAN DAM AND SPILLWAY REHABILITATION PROJECT, THE GARLAND ROAD ELEVATED WATER TANK PROJECT, AS WELL AS VARIOUS FEES FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

ADDITIONAL FUNDING WILL BE ADDED FOR IN THE AMOUNT OF $21 MILLION FOR ALSO THE BACHMAN DAM AND SPILLWAY REHAB PROJECT, AS WELL AS SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE CEDAR CREST PIPELINE PROJECT.

TEN MILLION DOLLARS FOR SDM FOR STORM DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT WILL BE SPLIT OFF IN THE FOLLOWING THREE BULLETS; TWO MILLION DOLLARS FOR FLEET, THREE MILLION FOR THE FLOOD CONTROL OPERATIONS CENTER, AND FIVE MILLION DOLLARS JUST TO COVER CAPITAL PROJECT OVERAGES AND EMERGENCY REPAIRS.

THE OVERAGES ARE MAINLY DUE TO INFLATION COST INCREASES THAT EXCEEDED THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES.

TO FINISHED OF TALKING ABOUT CAPITAL FUNDS, THIS IS JUST SORT OF SHOWS THAT BREAKOUT OF THAT $46.3 MILLION.

EIGHTEEN MILLION DOLLARS OF THAT 46 WILL BE SPENT FOR GENERAL PURPOSE FLEET LIKE SEDANS AND TRUCKS.

ANOTHER $18 MILLION FOR DALLAS FIRE RESCUE FLEET FOR APPARATUS AND AMBULANCES, EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS FOR SANITATION FLEET FOR REFUSE TRUCKS, AND DUMP TRUCKS.

LASTLY, ABOUT $2.5 MILLION FOR STORM DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT FLEET.

LASTLY, I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDATION AND THE NEXT STEPS.

WE DO RECOMMEND AMENDING THE FY-23 APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE AS DISCUSSED IN THIS PRESENTATION.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT NEXT WEDNESDAY ON MAY 10TH.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND FORECASTS FOR REVENUES AND EXPENSES AND REPORT TO THE GPFM COMMUNITY MONTHLY, THROUGH OUR BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT.

LASTLY, THE FINAL PHASE IN A THREE-PHASE PROCESS FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IS THAT WE'LL BRIEF GPFM ON A YEAR-END ADJUSTMENTS AND SEEK CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL ON SEPTEMBER.

THIS IS RIGHT NOW THE MEDIA IS THE SECOND OF THE THREE PHASES, AND OF COURSE THE FIRST OF WHICH WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN SEPTEMBER FOR JUST THE INITIAL ORDINANCE.

BUT WITH THAT, WE TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I'LL SAY BEFORE WE DO THAT, IT IS A PRETTY COMPLEX BRIEFING.

THERE'S A LOT OF MOVEMENTS BETWEEN FUNDS AND THERE'S APPROPRIATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE COUNTED TWICE IN THE WAY WE APPROPRIATE IN THE OPERATING FUND, GET YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO TRANSFER IT TO CAPITAL, APPROPRIATE IT A SECOND TIME.

IT'S PRETTY COMPLEX, I DIDN'T WANT TO HIDE ANY DETAILS, SO YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF DETAILS.

WITH THAT, WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

MR. BRIAN NEXT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, MAYOR, I THINK I'LL PASS IT TO YOU.

>> MEMBERS, WE'RE ON ITEM B FOR THE PUBLIC, AND WE'LL START OUR QUESTIONS WITH CHAIRWOMAN SALTS.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS ON THE DW UNSERVED AREAS.

I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT AND THE REAL NEED FOR IT.

I WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WHEN WE FINISHED SPENDING THIS 38 ALMOST 37.5 MILLION ON THIS.

WILL THAT WATER THEN BE COMPLETED?

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BECAUSE IT WASN'T AT 47 LOCATIONS OR SOMETHING IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.

>> I'M GOING TO ASK MS. LOWERY TO COME TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS ON IT, BUT YES, WE DID APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR THOSE AREAS.

THE REFERENCE TO THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE HAD IN THIS BRIEFING IS TO CONNECT FROM THE CITY'S LINE TO THE HOMES.

WE HAD NOT FUNDED THAT PREVIOUSLY.

AFTER ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. LOWERY, MR. [INAUDIBLE] , WE REALIZED THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO ADD.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE THAT.

TERRY, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIFICS ON THE PROJECTS?

>> SURE. GOOD MORNING.

TERRY LOWERY, DIRECTOR DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.

THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER CHARLES.

THE 37 MILLION WE'RE ON PROCESS TO GET ALL OF THAT COMPLETED, AND THOSE ARE ALL OF THE OCCUPIED, UNSERVED AREAS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY AWARE OF.

WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THAT ALL THE TIME.

SINCE WE STARTED THE PROCESS, WE'VE ADDED SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION.

ALL THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE NOW ARE SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED.

>> GREAT. THEN THIS MONEY WILL GET THEM ALL HOOKED UP.

>> THIS WILL HELP THE HOMEOWNERS DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO CONNECT THEIR HOMES TO THE SYSTEM.

>> FANTASTIC. THANK YOU.

THEN I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE TREE FUND.

IN TERMS OF THE CANOPY, I KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING REALLY HARD TO INCREASE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CITY THAT'S UNDER CANOPY.

PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT PAGE WE'RE ON HERE AND WHERE.

>> SLIDE 16.

>> THANK YOU. THAT SLIDE 16, AND THEN ALSO WHERE IN THE APPENDIX. IT SHOWS IS IT?

>> THE APPENDIX THAT'S INCLUDED WITH THE BRIEFING IS ACTUALLY JUST UPPER?

>> JUST UPPER. ON THIS, WHERE DO WE HAVE DESIGNATED AREA ON THE TREE CANOPY COVERAGE USING THAT FUND? IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S AROUND 10 MILLION, IN THAT FUND NOW WE'RE USING 2.7 IN THIS.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE PLAN WAS AND WHERE THAT WOULD BE USED.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE TO ADDRESS THE PLAN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CURRENT FUND BALANCE IN THE FUND IS 6.9 MILLION, AND THIS APPROPRIATION IS APPROPRIATING UP TO THE 6.9, SO WHAT YOU FIND IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCES IS A 2.6 TO ALLOW THEM TO SPEND UP TO THE 6.9.

>> MAYBE IF WE COULD JUST, I DON'T NEED IT NOW, BUT IF SOMEONE COULD JUST SEND A MEMO TO ALL OF US ABOUT WHERE THAT CANOPY FUNDING WILL BE USED, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> MR. WEST. I'M SORRY.

MR. WEST, YOU HAD ASKED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST OFF, JUST WANTED TO SAY GREAT JOB I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF WORK FOR YOUR ENTIRE TEAM.

YOU'VE COME A LONG WAY AND THIS IS VERY DETAILED, AND IT IS COMPLICATED, BUT YOU PRESENTED IN A VERY CLEAR MANNER. THANK YOU.

ONE GENERAL COMMENT AND THEN A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION.

I SAW ON I THINK IT WAS SLIDE 17, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ENTERPRISE FUND.

I JUST WANT TO SAY GENERALLY, WE CHATTED ABOUT THIS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE CHAIRMAN ATKINS MADE A GOOD POINT THAT ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO IN OUR PERMIT OFFICE TO MAKE IT THE MOST EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE PERMIT OFFICE IN THE COUNTRY, IT'S ENTERPRISE FUNDING.

I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS EVER SAID NO IN YOUR REQUEST FOR SOFTWARE OR ANYTHING.

I WOULD SUPPORT INCREASES IN FEES IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES TO CONTINUE IMPROVING ON OUR PERMANENT EFFICIENCIES.

I'LL JUST DOUBLE DOWN ON, I KNOW WHAT THE CHAIRMAN SAID.

[LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. THEN IN THE BACK ON THE MID-YEAR BUDGET AMENDMENTS, LINE-BY-LINE DETAIL.

LET'S SEE SLIDE 3, YOU TALK ABOUT THE 16 MILLION UNDER WORKFORCE EDUCATION AND EQUITY FOR SMALL BUSINESS RELIEF.

WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THOSE FUNDS GENERALLY? THAT'S BROKEN DOWN BY COUNCIL DISTRICT I THINK FOR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT NEEDS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ITEM.

>> SO THE 16 MILLION YOU'RE CORRECT, IT WAS $1 MILLION FOR EACH COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN 2 MILLION FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE.

SO ALL OF THE ALLOCATIONS HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

I KNOW THAT STAFF IS WORKING WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL OFFICES TO IMPLEMENT THOSE PROJECTS SO I CAN TELL YOU AS OF TODAY, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR FUNDING.

>> THERE IS NO CHANCE LIKE I'M JUST WORRIED, FUNDING MIGHT GO AWAY OR HAVE TO BE RETURNED IF IT WASN'T OKAY. SO WE'RE GOOD, WE'RE COVERED.

>> SO WE'VE BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE IN REMINDING EVERYONE THAT

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FUNDS SHOULD BE ENCUMBERED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2024 AND SPENT BY SEPTEMBER 30TH AT 2026.

WE WILL CONTINUE OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS.

I THINK WE'VE BEEN RELEASING A COUNCIL MEMBER, OUR CITY MANAGER MEMO EVERY QUARTER, SO WE'LL CONTINUE THAT EFFORT.

>> GREAT.

>> THAT'S WHY YOU SEE MR. WEST, THAT THE REALLOCATION WHEN WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOMETHING THAT HAD BEEN FUNDED THAT'S NOT NEEDED FOR THAT PURPOSE, WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND REALLOCATE THAT, SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE AGGRESSIVE AT LOOKING AT THAT.

>> THANK YOU. THE LAST SLIDE OF YOUR BREAKDOWN IS SLIDE SIX AND THIS IS THE TRANSPORTATION QUESTION.

HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE NUMBER 2.531 MILLION FOR THE STREET LIGHT ENHANCEMENTS AND HAS THAT IDENTIFIED WHERE IN THE CITY THOSE STREET LIGHT ENHANCEMENTS ARE GOING TO BE ALLOCATED AND THAT'S FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET?

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT, MR. WEST, WE HAVE A DELAY ON THAT ANSWER.

>> I DIDN'T SEND IT TO YOU BEFOREHAND, SO I'M JUST SHOOTING IN THE DARK HERE.

IF YOU NEED TO GET BACK TO ME, THAT'S OKAY.

>> HI SCOTT WALTON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

AND PART OF THE ANSWER IS YES, I'LL NEED TO GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

BUT A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO COVER UPGRADING EXISTING LIGHTINGS TO LED.

IN ADDITION, THERE IS NEW LIGHTING.

THIS IS GOING TO BE PLACED TO ENHANCE SAFETY IN LIGHTING IN AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

I CAN GET YOU A LIST OF THOSE AREAS SPECIFICALLY.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR 23/24, WAS THAT LINE ITEM CHOSEN OVER SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE HERE LIKE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, PEDESTRIAN LIGHTING, PAVEMENT MARKINGS, AND RE-STRIPING? WHY WAS THIS THE ONE ITEM THAT WAS FUNDED UNDER THAT CATEGORY?

>> THAT WAS NOT NECESSARILY A TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT DECISION.

AS WE WERE LOOKING AT ALL THE FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED, THE $355 MILLION, WE PUT TOGETHER A PLAN SPREADING THAT OUT OVER THREE YEARS BASED ON CAPACITY TO GET WORK DONE, OTHER FACTORS AND SO SOME PROJECTS WE THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE FUNDED OVERALL THREE YEARS, FOR EXAMPLE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVERTIME OR SQUAD CARS.

WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO FUND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS NOT JUST ONCE, BUT TO BE ABLE TO FUND THAT IN MULTIPLE YEARS.

AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME CASE HERE.

AND AGAIN, SOME OF THE ITEMS IN RPA WE ARE ACCELERATING.

BUT THAT MEANS THAT THAT MONEY WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE NEXT YEAR FOR THEM TO USE, SUCH AS THE CASE OF THE SQUAD CARS, WE'RE MOVING THAT FORWARD.

SO IN THIS CASE, THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO USE IN FISCAL YEAR 24.

>> WHEN THE OVERALL BUDGET, THIS IS A SMALL THING, SMALL AMOUNT, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST INDICATIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS PLANNED FOR 23/24, LIKE UNDER THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, IF COUNCIL DECIDES, SOME OTHER LINE ITEM BETTER REFLECTS VISION ZERO GOALS, OR WHATEVER, ANOTHER POLICY THAT WE HAVE HERE, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE 2023/2024 ALLOCATIONS OR ARE WE LOCKING THOSE IN NOW AFTER THIS VOTE NEXT WEEK?

>> THE '24 ALLOCATIONS THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

DEPARTMENTS ARE PROBABLY ALREADY PLANNING WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IN '24.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SOONER RATHER THAN LATER SO THEY KNOW THAT.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> MR. RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> SLIDE 16. THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE, 4.6 MILLION ANNUAL ALLOCATION OF USE FOR CULTURAL ORGS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE CHANGES THERE?

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ADOPTED BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR '23.

SO WHAT HAPPENS BECAUSE THERE'S A TWO, THREE-STEP PROCESS FOR US TO APPROPRIATE FUNDING IT'S APPROPRIATE IT IN CONVENTION IN THE SERVICES, AND THEN IT'S TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE TO SPEND AND SO THIS WAS LEFT OFF OF THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, SO WE'RE APPROPRIATING IT NOW.

THEY HAVE A WORK PLAN AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE HERE IS FROM ARTS AND CULTURE, BUT THEY HAVE A WORK PLAN THAT WAS PLANNED FOR FISCAL YEAR '23 AND THEY'RE JUST CONTINUING THE WORK THAT THEY ORIGINALLY HAD PLANNED.

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>> AND SO ESSENCE, IT'S A CORRECTION TO THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE.

>> THE 4.5 MILLION WAS INADVERTENTLY LEFT OFF.

>> CORRECT.

>> WE DID STEP 1 AND TWO AND THIS IS STEP 3?

>> YES.

>> THANK YOU. THAT CLARIFIES THAT.

ON SLIDE 21 AND 22, THERE'S A REFERENCE IN 21 TO NEW APPROPRIATIONS FOR STORM DRAINAGE, $2 MILLION FOR FLEET AND THEN ON PAGE 22, THERE'S A REFERENCE STORM DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT FOR FLEET REPLACEMENT OF 2.5 MILLION.

SHOULD THOSE NUMBERS BE THE SAME OR WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS?

>> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE NUMBERS THE 2 MILLION LISTED ON SLIDE NUMBER 21 IS CASH FUNDED, AND THEN THE AMOUNT LISTED ON SLIDE NUMBER 22 IS MASTER LEASE.

IT'S 4.5 MILLION TOTAL.

>> THE TOTAL IS 4.5 WHEN YOU CONSIDER CASH.

>> BUT IT'S DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.

>> I SEE. AND WITH REGARD TO THE 46.3 MILLION TOTAL FOR FLEET REPLACEMENT IN 23/24, THAT'S BEING ADVANCED TO THIS FISCAL YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> AND SOME OF THAT FUNDING OR WILL REVIEW BE MADE OF THE CONVERSION OF THESE CURRENT FUELED VEHICLES TO ELECTRIC FUELED?

>> CORRECT. WE ALSO HAVE [INAUDIBLE] GIBSON HERE IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT THIS ACCELERATION OF THE 46.3, THIS WAS ACTUALLY REFERENCED IN THE BRIEFING THAT EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT PRESENTED TO COUNSEL BACK IN NOVEMBER, AND AS PART OF THAT PLAN, THAT DID INCLUDE SOME FUNDING SET ASIDE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

>> THERE'S THIS PART OF THE PLAN TO ADVANCE THE ORDERS BECAUSE OF THE SUPPLY CHAIN DELAYS SO THAT WE'RE ORDERING VEHICLES IN ADVANCE OF NEED BECAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME TO RECEIVE THEM.

>> CORRECT. WHEN CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE FISCAL YEAR '23 BUDGET, THEY ADOPTED THE PLAN YEAR FOR FISCAL YEAR '24.

SO WE HAVE PLANNED TO FUND THESE ITEMS IN FISCAL YEAR '24.

GIVEN THE TIMELINE AND THE DELAYS ASSOCIATED WITH SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, WE ARE ACCELERATING THIS FUNDING FORWARD SO THAT THEY CAN PLACE THE ORDERS.

WE REALIZED THAT WE WON'T RECEIVE THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT UNTIL FISCAL YEAR '24, AND IN SOME CASES, FISCAL YEAR '25.

>> BUT WE'LL HAVE TO PAY FOR THEM THIS FISCAL YEAR.

>> SO TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE, WE'RE ADVANCING THE FUNDING FORWARD, BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO CHANGING THE FINANCING VEHICLE FROM EQUIPMENT NOTES TO MASTER LEASE.

MASTER LEASE PROVIDES JUST-IN-TIME FINANCING, SO WE DON'T PAY FOR THE ITEM UNTIL WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE IT.

THIS PROPOSAL DOES NOT IMPACT OUR DEBT SERVICE MODEL BECAUSE WE HAD PLANNED TO PAY THE FINANCING OR THE DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH IT IN LATE '24 STARTING IN '25.

>> AND DIRECTOR GIBSON, COULD YOU ADDRESS MY ISSUE ABOUT THE ORDERS FOR THESE VEHICLES AND WHETHER YOU'RE PLANNING TO ORDER SOME AS ELECTRIC-POWERED VEHICLES?

>> YES, SIR. GOOD MORNING, DAWNS MEL GIBSON, DIRECTOR OF EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT.

AS WE BREATHE BACK IN NOVEMBER, WE'RE STILL PEELING AN ONION RELATED TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

WE'RE STILL PLACING THE ORDERS.

WE'RE JUST A TAD OVER 100 VEHICLES NOW, WE'VE RECEIVED, I BELIEVE, 20 OF THOSE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO PUT THEM AND ASSIGN THEM OUT IN THE FIELD.

WITH THIS ADVANCEMENT FONTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT'LL BE INVOLVED IN THE SAME VALIDATION PROCESS THAT WE SPOKE TO, THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD RELATIVE TO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE IN ENOUGH TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLES CAN BE PUT INTO USE.

>> DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME SINCE WE'RE ADVANCING THE TIME AT WHICH WE PLACED THESE VEHICLE ORDERS TO DETERMINE WHICH ONES CAN BE EVS?

>> YES, SIR. THAT PROCESS HAS BEEN ONGOING SINCE WE COMPLETED THE STUDY BY INTERVIEWING SO YES, WE'LL BE READY.

HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO BRING INTO COUNCIL AN AGENDA ITEM THAT WILL INCLUDE OUR ABILITY TO CONTINUE TO BUY AND PURCHASE EV EQUIPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG WITH THE SOFTWARE ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> AND IF YOU COULD INCLUDE IN THAT REPORT THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE ORDERS THAT YOU HAVE FOR EVS, HOW MANY WE'VE RECEIVED, YOU JUST MENTIONED 20 BUT HOW MANY OTHERS ARE ON ORDER AT THE CURRENT TIME, AND WHEN YOU EXPECT TO RECEIVE AND THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL.

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>> YES, SIR. WE CAN DO THAT.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES, WE'RE ON ITEM B.

>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO THIS ON DESCENDING ORDER OF DOLLAR AMOUNT.

I'M GOING TO START WITH PAGE 22, FOR DALLAS FIRE RESCUE FLEET.

YOU'VE GOT 17.8 MILLION THAT YOU'RE ADVANCING.

CAN YOU TELL US HOW MANY DIFFERENT PIECES OF APPARATUS THAT IS AND IF WE THINK THIS IS A SUFFICIENT NUMBER GIVEN HOW MANY NOTIFICATIONS WE GET OF VEHICLES THAT ARE BEING WRECKED OUT?

>> YES. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

ALEX RODRIGUEZ, THAT WAS FIRE-RESCUE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL AND PERSONNEL SERVICES.

WHAT WE HAD PLANNED TO DO WITH THE MONEY IS, SINCE WE'RE GETTING IN FRONT OF THIS TO FUND THE PURCHASE OF EIGHT ENGINES AND TWO LADDER TRUCKS AND UP TO AS MANY AMBULANCES AS WE CAN GET WITH THE REST OF THE MONEY, KNOWING THAT THERE'S INFLATION THAT'S PLAYING PART, SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES HAVE INCREASED THE PRICES AND WHATNOT.

>> YOUR ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND FOR A LADDER TRUCK AND AN ENGINE, AND AN AMBULANCE, CAN YOU GIVE US THAT?

>> YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY.

OF THE 17.8 MILLION, FOR THE ENGINES, WE ROUGHLY HAVE 9.4 MILLION, FOR THE LADDER TRUCKS IS 3.8 MILLION, AND THEN THE REMAINDER WOULD BE TO PURCHASE AS MANY RESCUES AS WE HAVE MONEY LEFT.

>> THE AMBULANCES ARE ABOUT HALF A MILLION EACH?

>> A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S FULLY LOADED. READY TO GO.

>> WHERE WOULD THAT PUT US IN TERMS OF OUR FLEET? THIS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT'S ENOUGH.

>> WE DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

WE'RE WORKING AT SOME INNOVATIVE PROJECTS AS FAR AS LOOKING AT WHAT HAS BEEN NEW IN THE SYSTEM IS POSSIBLY REMOUNTING THE OLD AMBULANCES, USING AN EXISTING BOX, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

WE KEEP GETTING VEHICLES HIT ON THE ROADS.

WE HAVE MONEY FROM A GRANT FUND TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ATTENUATORS TO HELP BLOCK SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY ENGINE THAT ARE HIT ON THE ROAD.

>> HAS THERE BEEN TIMES IN THE LAST MONTH THAT WE'VE HAD NO VEHICLES AVAILABLE? NO VEHICLES AND RESERVE?

>> YES, MA'AM. WE'RE USING THE SQUADS TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THOSE DISTRICTS.

>> WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, I DON THINK WE ARE FUNDING OUR APPARATUS FOR DFR SUFFICIENTLY.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO COME FROM HERE.

THERE MAY BE OTHER PLACES, IT MAY NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT FOR OUR BOND, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN OUR GENERAL FUND AS WE'RE APPROACHING THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

IT MAY BE OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY MANAGER CAN LOOK AT REPROGRAMMING WITHIN THIS ACTUAL PRESENTATION.

BUT I'M CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH APPARATUS.

I KEEP HEARING THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM MEMBERS THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

MY NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THE FUEL OVERAGES.

WE'VE GOT $723,000 THAT YOU'RE REALLOCATING FOR THAT.

ARE WE DRIVING MORE? ARE YOU DOING THIS BASED SOLELY ON PRICE?

>> THIS IS BASED SOLELY ON PRICE.

BACK IN MARCH, THERE WAS THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT OPEC WOULD CUT PRODUCTION, AND SO THIS REFLECTS THE REVISED COST ESTIMATES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CUT.

>> WHAT NUMBER ARE WE USING FOR PRICE PER GALLON? WHEN I LOOK ON AAA, IT SAYS THAT OUR CURRENT PRICE IS $3.13 A GALLON, AND A YEAR AGO THE AVERAGE WAS $3.86 A GALLON.

PRICES HAVE ACTUALLY GONE DOWN FOR FUEL, SO I'M WONDERING WHY WE NEED MORE DOLLARS FOR FUEL IF WE'RE NOT DRIVING MORE.

>> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THAT, [INAUDIBLE] GIBSON, EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT DIRECTOR.

WHEN WE DID LAST YEAR'S FUEL ESTIMATE, WE TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE PRICING WILL AT LEAST, AT THE TIME, WE ASSUME WOULD BE LOWER THAN THE CURRENT PRICING THAT'S THERE TODAY.

>> YOU THOUGHT IT'D BE LOWER THAN $3.13 A GALLON?

>> YES, MA'AM. THE BLENDED RATE. THAT IS CORRECT.

WE ESTIMATED IT AT THE TIME THAT WE BUILT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET,

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IT GOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL, BACK THEN, AT THAT TIME.

THE PRICES THAT WE'RE PAYING TODAY ARE GREATER THAN WHAT WE PUT IN THE BUDGET.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS? I'M SORRY [INAUDIBLE] ON TOP OF YOUR HEAD.

>> YES, MA'AM. JUST RIGHT AT THREE DOLLARS PER BLENDED RATE, WHICH IS INCLUSIVE OF UNLEADED DIESEL, DI DIESEL, AND COMPRESSED NATURAL GAS.

>> IS THAT IN OUR BUDGET BOOK WHAT THE PRICE PER GALLON ESTIMATE IS?

>> NO, MA'AM. I DON'T BELIEVE SO. NO, MA'AM.

>> AS WE APPROACH OUR NEXT BUDGET, COULD YOU PLEASE INCLUDE THAT? THANK YOU.

I WOULD WONDER IF WE'RE ALSO NOT DRIVING MORE THOUGH.

AS I'M JUST OUT AND ABOUT, I THINK I'M SEEING FIRETRUCKS THAT ARE FROM VERY FAR AWAY, NUMBERS THAT I DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE IN FAR NORTH ALICE.

I WOULD WONDER IF WE ACTUALLY ARE PUTTING MORE MILEAGE ON OUR VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT STAFFED ENOUGH IN THE PLACES THAT WE NEED THEM.

I COULD BE WRONG, AND I'M ONLY SAYING THAT BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCE, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

MY NEXT ITEM IS FOR PAGE 8, AND THIS IS TO SUPPORT ONGOING FUNDING FOR REALLOCATING POSITIONS, FUNCTIONS, FUNDING BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS, AND FUNDING INCREASES.

IT'S $195,000, BUT YOU SURE DO LIST A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS.

COULD YOU TELL US MAYBE BY DEPARTMENT, HOW MUCH IS GOING TO EACH PLACE?

>> SURE. FOR POSITIONS FROM COMMUNICATIONS, OUTREACH, AND MARKETING TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL OFFICE, THAT NET CHANGE IS ZERO.

THERE ARE THREE POSITIONS MOVED BETWEEN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THE OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THAT NET IMPACT WAS ZERO.

THERE WERE TWO POSITIONS ALLOCATED FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO P AND V, AND AS WE MENTIONED IN THE BRIEFING, THAT FUNDING IS COVERED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

THERE WERE TWO POSITIONS MOVE FROM PUBLIC WORKS AND TWO POSITIONS NON-UNIFORM MOVE FROM DPD TO HR TO TOTAL COMPENSATION, AND THAT AMOUNT WAS 195,000.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> THEN MY NEXT ONE IS FOR SLIDE 9.

NET-ZERO TRANSFERS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS WILL BE USED MIDYEAR TO SUPPORT ALLOCATION OF ONETIME PAYMENT FROM SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE TO GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, 2.4 MILLION.

WHAT'S THE CURRENT BALANCE OF THE SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE BEFORE THE ADJUSTMENT?

>> THE CURRENT BALANCE LISTED IN THE BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT IS 5.3, AND SO THIS ADJUSTMENT TAKES IT DOWN TO THE 2.6.

>> PERHAPS JACK, YOU COULD GIVE THIS ANSWER, JEANETTE, PERHAPS YOU DO.

CAN YOU TELL US THE TREND LINE OF THIS FUND? HISTORICALLY, SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE HAS BEEN USED TO FUND VACATION AND SICK LEAVE TERMINATION PAYMENTS TO EMPLOYEES AND DEPARTMENTS THAT WE DON'T BUDGET FOR THAT.

WE PULL THAT MONEY AND WE ASSIGN IT TO SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS THAT NEED IT.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN SOMEBODY SEPARATES AND THEY HAVE BANKED VACATION AND SICK TIME?

>> YES, MA'AM. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'VE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVEN'T KNOWN EXACTLY WHICH DEPARTMENT IT WOULD GO TO.

WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE ONE-TIME BONUS, WHICH ENDED UP BEING $2.4 MILLION.

WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MUCH WAS GOING TO BE ATTORNEY VERSUS PARKS VERSUS CODE VERSUS OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

WE LUMPED IT INTO THE SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE.

ONCE THAT PROCESSED IN MARCH THEN WE KNEW WHERE WE NEEDED TO ALLOCATE THOSE APPROPRIATIONS TO.

THAT'S WHY THIS YEAR WE HAD AN EXTRA 2.4 OR $5 MILLION, IN SALARY AND BENEFIT RESERVE.

BUT TYPICALLY, IT'S AROUND 2-2.5 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE TERMINATION PAYMENTS.

DO YOU NOT FORESEE NEEDING THAT MONEY?

>> MA'AM.

>> DO YOU NOT FORESEE NEEDING THAT MONEY FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS?

>> WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL.

WE WILL MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS AT YEAR-END.

I THINK WE MENTIONED THAT IN THE BRIEFING THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT.

WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY GIVE IT TO A DEPARTMENT, SO TO SPEAK, UNTIL WE KNOW THEY NEED IT.

IF THEY CAN ABSORB A RETIREMENT WITHIN THEIR BUDGET, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS.

WE WAIT UNTIL WE GET CLOSER TO THE END OF THE YEAR,

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WE KNOW THEY NEED ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATIONS FOR THAT SALARY TERMINATION PAYMENT, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

BUT WE KNEW RIGHT NOW, AS OF MARCH, WHERE WE NEEDED TO ALLOCATE THE ONE-TIME BONUSES.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. THEN I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

[NOISE] THAT IS FOR THE TEMPORARY STAFFING TO SUPPORT PROCUREMENT PROCESS, $113,000.

CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT?

>> YES, MA'AM. IN PROCUREMENT SERVICES, WE HAVE A BACKLOG, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE WE HAVE VACANCIES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THE PROCUREMENTS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE AND SO WE'RE USING TEMPORARIES TO HELP SUPPORT THE OPERATIONS OF THAT DEPARTMENT SO WE CAN TRY TO IMPROVE THAT PROCESS AND GET THROUGH THE PROCUREMENTS MORE QUICKLY.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE CONSIDERING IT A ONETIME ADJUSTMENT, HOWEVER, WE WILL BE TALKING TO MR. BROAD NEXT THROUGH THE SUMMER ABOUT DO WE WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESOURCES BY THE WAY OF FULL-TIME STAFF FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

>> TWO QUESTIONS. ONE IS HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS ARE FILLED COMPARED TO HOW MANY ARE VACANT? THEN WOULDN'T THOSE VACANT POSITIONS COVER THE TEMPORARY STAFFING?

>> I'M LOOKING TO PROCUREMENT STAFF OVER THERE.

ARE YOU ABLE TO HELP ME WITH THOSE SPECIFICS? YOU GOT A LITTLE DETAIL THERE ON THAT QUESTION, SO I'M GOING TO CALL A FRIEND.

>> THEN I GUESS IF I CAN ALSO CLARIFY ON THE NUMBERS YOU GAVE TO GPFM, ABOUT HOW MANY OF THE POSITIONS WERE FILLED, DID THAT INCLUDE THE TEMPORARIES OR NOT?

>> NO, MA'AM.

>> COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT YOUR QUESTION.

YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT THE FIVE TEMPORARIES AND IF THEY WOULD SUPPLEMENT CURRENT VACANCIES. WAS THAT THE QUESTION?

>> THE QUESTION WAS, "HOW MANY OF YOUR APPROVED POSITIONS WERE FILLED, AND HOW MANY OF THOSE WERE TEMPORARIES?

>> CAN I FOLLOW UP WITH YOU WITH THAT NUMBER? WE CURRENTLY HAVE ACTIVE REQUISITIONS, AND I WANT TO RECONCILE AND GET YOU AN ACCURATE NUMBER.

>> OKAY. I BELIEVE MY TIME IS UP.

THAT'S FINE, IF YOU'D LIKE TO FOLLOW BACK UP WITH THAT.

>> CHAIRWOMAN WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES ON ITEM B.

>> THANK YOU. I WANTED TO START WITH THE SLIDE 7 IN THE PARK AND REC, FOUR MILLION DOLLARS PARK, AND REC.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WANTED TO ANSWER.

THIS IS TO SUPPORT ONE-TIME FUNDING, BUT I'M SEEING THINGS LIKE MAINTENANCE AND THEN TEMPORARY STAFFING SO I'M WONDERING WHAT'S DRIVING THIS ONETIME NEED IN THE MAINTENANCE CATEGORY.

THEN TEMP STAFFING, IN SAFETY, AND SECURITY, I'M SURE I COULD BUY INTO, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ON THESE OTHERS.

COULD YOU GIVE SOME DETAIL ON THAT?

>> GOOD MORNING. RACHEL BARRY, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR FOR PARK AND RECREATION.

YES, WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE, ARE YOU QUESTIONING THE SECURITY OR JUST THE STAFFING COST?

>> ALL OF IT.

>> ALL OF IT. WE DO HAVE A GENERAL BREAKDOWN FOR THAT.

WE DID HAVE SOME SECURITY ISSUES, SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, THAT'S NOT CURRENTLY IN OUR BUDGET.

THIS IS MOSTLY FOR ADDITIONAL MARSHALL SUPPORT, ADDITIONAL DPD SUPPORT.

THIS IS ALSO OVER THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR CURRENT PARK RANGER PROGRAM, THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

THOSE ARE MOSTLY FOR THE SUMMER PROGRAMS. WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL AQUATIC FACILITIES OPENING, SO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL SECURITY OF THOSE.

WE DO HAVE ALSO ADDITIONAL SECURITY FOR OUR SUMMER PROGRAMS. WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME PARK ACTIVATIONS AS PART OF A SECURITY IMPLEMENTATION TO GET THOSE PARKS MOVING, SO WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL SECURITY COST THERE.

THOSE ARE RUNNING ABOUT 1.5 MILLION FOR THOSE COST.

THAT ALSO INCLUDES THINGS LIKE ADDING CAMERAS TO ALL OF THE AQUATIC FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE WE HAVE SOME CALLBACKS ISSUES THAT SOME OF THOSE AQUATIC FACILITIES ALSO.

THAT INCLUDES THOSE TYPES OF COST.

YES, THERE IS A LOT OF MAINTENANCE REQUESTS IN THERE, AND THIS IS NOT REGULAR OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE, THIS IS MORE LIKE SAFETY ISSUES WITH SOME OF OUR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER TYPES OF MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON THERE.

SOME OF OUR PARKS NEEDS SOME MAJOR MAINTENANCE, SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HOLD OFF WITH THE NEW BOND PROGRAM IS NOT CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE CURRENT BOND PROGRAM.

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WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER INFLATIONARY COST THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING.

THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL CHEMICAL COST.

A LOT OF THAT IS FOR OUR GOLF COURSE, THOSE COST TEND TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

WE'RE ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL NEEDS AT SOME OF OUR GOLF COURSES.

THEN, THE STAFFING IN GENERAL, WE DO HAVE OVER 500 SEASONAL EMPLOYEES, AND THEN WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PART-TIME.

THERE'S LIKE 800 OF THOSE EMPLOYEES.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ALL OF THOSE ONBOARDED AT ONE-TIME SO WE DO TEND TO USE TEMPORARY STAFFING UNTIL WE CAN MOVE THOSE POSITIONS ONLINE INTO THE CITY SYSTEM.

THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH GETTING THOSE DONE.

>> OKAY. SOME OF THESE THINGS DO SOUND LIKE ONE-TIME AND OTHER SOUND LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE A RECURRING EXPENSE, I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY AND SECURITY.

WE'RE ADDING THIS TO THE PARK'S BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR, OR? NO, JACK IS SHAKING HIS HEAD NOW.

>> [LAUGHTER] AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE NOT ADDED IT INTO THE 24 BUDGET, BUT IT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THROUGH THE SUMMER AND A RECOMMENDATION MADE IN AUGUST.

PLACES THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN FIRE OVER TIME, WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT ARE WE GOING TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT FOR THAT GOING FORWARD OR NOT, AND THE SAME WITH PARK AND RECREATION.

>> OKAY. WELL, THANKS FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THAT.

SOME OF THIS IS CAPITAL SPEND, BUT SOME OF THIS ON SAFETY AND SECURITY IS SOUNDING LIKE WE'RE HAVING THESE INCIDENTS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THOSE ARE GOING TO STOP.

HOPEFULLY THEY WOULD, BUT THIS JUST SOUNDS LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE A FOCUS NEXT YEAR TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> WE HAVE SUBMITTED BIDS FOR THAT FOR 24 AND MR. IRELAND SAID THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR NEXT YEAR FOR THEM.

>> THANK YOU. THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH IS GOING BACK ON THE EDC FUNDS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING THAT ARPA MAYBE WAS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE TO SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO PULL FROM TURNS OUT IT DOESN'T QUALIFY SO OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO FIND A HOME FOR THAT.

THEN I SEE ON PAGE 14 WE SAY EXCESS GENERAL FUND REVENUE IS GOING TO BE USED TO SUPPORT THIS $7 MILLION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ALL RIGHT NOW VERSUS THE WAY IT HAD BEEN GATED BEFORE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THE INCEPTION TO DATE BUDGET FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION IS FIVE MILLION.

THAT MEANS WE'VE ALREADY APPROPRIATED TWO MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 22 THREE MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 23.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, THAT WE REALLOCATE THE FIVE MILLION THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROPRIATED, ACCELERATE THE SEVEN OR TWO MILLION FROM FISCAL YEAR 24, AND THAT TOTAL SEVEN MILLION.

WE'RE DOING THAT NOW FOR TWO REASONS ONE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT ARPA IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE SOURCE FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, AND SO WE HAVE A NEED FOR FIRE OVER TIME.

WE EITHER APPROPRIATE EXCESS REVENUE FOR FIRE OVER TIME OR WE APPROPRIATE THE EXCESS REVENUE FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND ALLOCATE THE SEVEN MILLION FROM ARPA TO FIRE OVER TIME.

>> THAT FITS.

>> CORRECT.

>> THAT PART I GET, I KNOW THEY JUST PICKED A SEARCH FIRM.

I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT PUTTING ALL OF THIS MONEY TOWARD THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE NEED FOR.

>> THE PROPOSED BUDGET BACK IN APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER OF 2021, ALLOCATED SEVEN MILLION FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COOPERATION.

WE'VE ALREADY APPROPRIATED FIVE MILLION.

>> I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE AWAY THAT AMOUNT I'M JUST SAYING THAT HERE WE'RE MOVING TWO MILLION UP. IT'S BEEN SLOW GOING.

I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THAT TWO MILLION AND IF THIS IS THE PLACE TO IF WE'VE GOT ACCESS REVENUE, WHY WE WOULD PUT IT THERE WHEN WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THE FIRST FIVE MILLION OF IT.

>> IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THE TWO MILLION THAT WAS PLANNED FOR 24, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER TWO MILLION OF GENERAL FUND DOLLARS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 24, TO MAKE THAT SWAP IN FISCAL YEAR 24.

BUT SINCE WE HAVE THE REVENUE NOW, THERE WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST MAKE THAT SWITCH NOW [OVERLAPPING].

>> SINCE WE COULDN'T DO IT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WOMAN SCHULTZ RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> YES, SIR THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO SLIDE.

LETS SEE WHAT SLIDE IT IS.

SORRY. I BELIEVE IT'S SLIDE 9.

YES, SLIDE 9 PLACED FOR PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

I COULD GET MS. RYAN UP HERE.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME AS YOU'RE WALKING UP, IS CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CHALLENGES WITHIN PLANNING AND ZONING AND

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FOR THE TWO SENIOR PROJECT POSITIONS AND HOW THEY WILL GO ON TO BE FUNDED MOVING FORWARD AND WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED?

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL WOMAN, JULIA RYAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

THOSE TWO POSITIONS ARE REALLY CRITICAL FOR BOTH ELIMINATING THE BACKLOG THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN OUR ZONING APPLICATIONS TEAM AND ALSO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE AND QUICK RESPONSES TO OUR APPLICANTS DURING THE ZONING CHANGE PROCESS.

THIS ALSO PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GIVE OUR STAFF MEMBERS OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADVANCEMENT TO INCENTIVIZE RETENTION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND KEEP THAT KNOWLEDGE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE A LONG TIME FOR US TO TRAIN UP SOMEONE.

IT'S USUALLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS BECAUSE OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE IS VERY COMPLICATED AND IT DOES TAKE A WHILE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO WRITE AND NEGOTIATE PDS SINCE THAT IS THE CURRENT METHOD OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.

THOSE POSITIONS ARE VERY NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE ALONG.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED DELAYS, A BACKLOG OF ABOUT 70 CASES AND THOSE CASES DO TAKE A LONG TIME.

PDS CAN TAKE 1-2 YEARS DEPENDING ON THE COMPLEXITY, SO THESE POSITIONS WILL HELP TO ELIMINATE THAT AND MOVE THESE POSITIONS FORWARD.

THAT UNIT IS FUNDED THROUGH OR REIMBURSED BY THE ENTERPRISE FUND.

WITHIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, WE DO TAKE APPLICATION FEES FOR THOSE ZONING CHANGES, SO WE DO PAY INTO THE ENTERPRISE FUND WITH THAT AS WELL.

>> THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL LOOK AT LATER IN TERMS OF FEES, BUT I'M VERY GLAD AS WE REWRITE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, I KNOW WE'VE FUNDED THAT WORK WHICH IS TREMENDOUS IT'LL BE A COMPLETE GAME CHANGER FOR THE CITY.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT WE'VE MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS WITH THE BUILDING AND PERMITTING DEPARTMENTS, SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP WITH THAT.

I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR ANY AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR LAND USE BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON OUR PROPERTY TAXES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> MR. RIDLEY YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES EXCUSE ME.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, JULIA, DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

WELL, ANY OF THE TIME RESULTING FROM THESE TWO NEW SENIOR PROJECT POSITIONS BE AVAILABLE FOR WORKING DOWN OUR BACKLOG OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

>> AUTHORIZED HEARINGS ARE GENERAL FUND, AND WE HAVE A SEPARATE TEAM THAT'S DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

I WILL MENTION THAT WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF RESIGNATIONS, SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT UNDERSTAFFED RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE WORKING TO GET THAT UP WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE A CHIEF PLANNER.

WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF POSITIONS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO POST, AND SO WE DO HAVE A DEDICATED TEAM FOR THAT, BUT AGAIN, IT IS UNDERSTAFFED CURRENTLY.

>> WELL, I THINK WE ALL REALIZE THAT THE COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE ADDITION OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR OR PERHAPS SIX NEW POSITIONS LAST YEAR.

THOSE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE GENERAL FUND.

CORRECT. HOW IS HIRING GOING FOR THOSE? ARE THOSE POSITIONS FILLED NOW?

>> YES. WE HAVE HIRED TWO NEW STAFF ACTUALLY I'LL TAKE THAT BACK THREE NEW STAFF.

WE'VE GOT TWO CHIEF PLANNERS NOW WE HAVE DEDICATED TEAMS FOR BOTH DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENTS AND AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, SEPARATE TEAMS SO WE CAN EACH FOCUS ON THAT DEDICATED TASK FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE TEAMS WE HAVE CHIEF PLANNERS.

FOR BOTH OF THOSE, WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE COMING IN JUST LAST MONTH, BRAND NEW STAFF THAT HAVE EXPERIENCE IN CODE AMENDMENTS.

WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT THEY'LL ALSO BE WORKING TOWARDS THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TOWARDS BRINGING THAT CONTRACT TO COUNSEL VERY SOON, SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN THAT TASK IN FULL.

>> ARE YOU LOOKING AT HIRING CONSULTANTS TO WORK DOWN THE BACKLOG OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING LIST?

>> WE'VE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

THE FUNDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT IS REALLY TO PROVIDE THAT SEASONAL ADJUSTMENT THAT WE GET WITH DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS SO WHEN YOU GET A SPIKE, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT.

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THAT SPIKE IN DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SEE SO WE DON'T CONTINUE HAVING TIMES WHERE WE HAVE BACKLOGS, BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY WITH AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.

>> JACK, I THINK A QUESTION FOR YOU OR JEANETTE.

IN THE FALL OF 2021, THE CITY OFFERED FINANCIAL INCENTIVES TO CITY EMPLOYEES TO BECOME VACCINATED.

I DON'T SEE THAT INDICATED IN THE APPENDIX ON ARPA EXPENDITURES, WAS THAT FUNDED THROUGH ARPA? IF SO, HOW MUCH WAS THAT?

>> THE INCENTIVE OFFERED, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WAS ADDITIONAL LEAVE TIME, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE ACTUAL COST WAS RELATED TO THAT AND GET INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MANY WERE ELIGIBLE AND THOSE THINGS.

>> WAS THAT FUNDED THROUGH ARPA THOUGH?

>> NO, IT WAS ANYTIME OFF WAS JUST PAID THROUGH THAT EMPLOYEE'S OPERATING FUNDS.

IT WAS A GENERAL FUND EMPLOYEE OR A WATER DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE.

WE DID NOT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT.

>> WOULDN'T THAT HAVE BEEN ELIGIBLE AS AN ARPA EXPENDITURE?

>> I BELIEVE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.

WE DID NOT DISCUSS THAT AS A PROJECT TO EVALUATE THE ELIGIBILITY.

BUT JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN.

ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY WE DIDN'T USE ARPA FUNDS FOR THAT?

>> NO. IT WASN'T DISCUSSED. I DON'T KNOW.

>> SURE. THANK YOU AND I THINK YOU ALL MAY WANT TO GET THE SPECIFICS OF THE ELIGIBILITY.

I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR HAZARD PAY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WAS THE BROADER DISCUSSION.

THERE WERE A LOT OF REQUESTS DURING THAT TIME FOR ADDITIONAL HAZARD PAY, PARTICULARLY FOR FOLK OUT IN THE FIELD AND THAT WAS AT THE TIME OF MANAGEMENT DECISION NOT TO OPEN THAT PANDORA'S BOX, SO TO SPEAK, AND LOOK AT A DIFFERENT TOOL TO ENCOURAGE AND REWARD INDIVIDUALS FOR GETTING VACCINATED.

IF YOU REMEMBER, AT THE TIME IT WAS QUITE A POLITICAL ISSUE IN SOME CHALLENGES AROUND.

WHAT YOU COULD DO AROUND MANDATING VACCINATION SO WE TRIED TO BE AS CREATIVE AS POSSIBLE.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES WITH USING THE RPA RESOURCES AND LABELING THEM AS INCENTIVES.

BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION WAS REALLY AROUND HAZARD PAY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THE ELIGIBILITY WAS FOR THAT AND WE DID NOT WANT TO GO DOWN THEN AS A MANAGEMENT TEAM TO FIGURE OUT ABOUT PEOPLE'S WORK AND EFFORT AND WHO AND WHAT HAS WOULD PAY WAS AND MEANT WHEN IT CAME TO CERTAIN POSITIONS WHERE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT, CODE ENFORCEMENT OUR UTILITY PEOPLE ARE DOING METER READING.

WE FELT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE DOING WORK, WHILE OTHERS MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO GO TO WORK SO WE WANTED TO BALANCE HOW WE APPROACHED IT.

>> WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HAZARD PAY.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE INCENTIVE OF ADDITIONAL LEAVE TIME PROVIDED TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES.

>> ONE ADDITIONAL THING I THINK MR. BROWN NEXT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT WE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON MY DATES, BUT I BELIEVE WE CAME UP WITH THE ALLOCATION OF THE $355 MILLION IN THE SUMMER OF 21, AND THERE WASN'T A DECISION MADE ABOUT THE INCENTIVE LEAVE UNTIL AFTER THAT.

WE HAD ALREADY ALLOCATED THE FULL 355.

BY THE TIME CAME ALONG THAT WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT.

I THINK THAT'S THE TIMING, SIR.

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE REASON.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE A WOMAN, MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. MY LAST ITEM IS ACTUALLY ON PAGE 7.

IT'S ABOUT DFR OVER TIME AND WE CERTAINLY TALKED ABOUT THIS BOTH AT PUBLIC SAFETY AND GPFM AND SO MY QUESTION IS REALLY ABOUT THIS.

WE'VE HAD ROBUST CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DPD AND THEIR OVERTIME.

WE'VE NOT REALLY HAD AS A COUNCIL THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE DFR.

IN BOTH CASES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY TO OUR RESIDENTS, SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE OVERTIME AVAILABLE.

WE'RE NOT SENDING THE POLICE OR WE'RE NOT SENDING AN AMBULANCE, THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

BUT WE HAVE FOR MULTIPLE YEARS NOW USED WHETHER IT'S CRF OR ARPA FUNDS TO SUPPLEMENT OUR GENERAL FUND TO PAY THIS OVERTIME.

NOW WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS DONE IT DIRECTLY.

SOMETIMES WE'VE DONE IT INDIRECTLY, BUT WE HAVE DONE THAT AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HERE WE GO, DOING I GUESS IT'S A TOTAL OF $7.8 MILLION OF OVERTIME AND SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS WE ARE NOW ENDING THE RPA FUNDING IN TERMS OF OUR GENERAL FUND, IN TERMS OF OUR REGULAR BUDGET, BEING ABLE TO ABSORB THESE OVERTIME COSTS AND ARE WE GOING TO REALISTICALLY BUDGET WHAT THE NEED IS GIVEN OUR STAFFING DEFICIENCIES.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT AND YES, WE ARE AWARE OF THOSE.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE, SUCH AS OVERTIME AND POLICE OR SQUAD CARS IN POLICE THAT WE HAVE FACTORED INTO

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OUR FIVE-YEAR FORECAST AND WHEN THOSE RPA DOLLARS GO AWAY AND WHEN WE WILL NEED TO ADDRESS THAT IN OUR GENERAL FUND.

IN OUR FIVE-YEAR FORECAST, WE'VE KNOWN THAT AND BEEN AWARE AND TRIED TO FACTOR THAT IN.

BUT WE HAVE USED A ONE-TIME SOURCE OF FEDERAL FUNDS FOR ONGOING COSTS AND IT WILL BE A FIXED AND WITHIN THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

>> WOULD YOU EXPECT TO BE PROPOSING TO COUNSEL A BUDGET THAT SIGNIFICANTLY IS GOING TO INCREASE PUBLIC SAFETY FOR THESE OVERTIME EXPENSES?

>> WE WILL HAVE TO. YES SIR.

>> THOSE DECISIONS WILL BE MADE OVER THE SUMMER, I THINK, TO JACK. THANK YOU, JACK.

I KNOW I CUT YOU OFF AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO WHAT WILL BE PROPOSED IN THE BUDGET.

UNDERSTANDING PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT.

UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE A PLAN AND THAT HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION TO USE ONE-TIME FUNDS TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE STAIR-STEP IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD LEVEL OFF WHERE WE WERE.

I THINK THE FIRE OVER TIME, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

WE DON'T DISCUSS THAT QUITE OFTEN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'VE BEEN IN A SITUATION AT LEAST SINCE I HAVE BEEN THE CITY MANAGER WHERE WE'VE HAD THIS ISSUE AND CHALLENGE IN FIRE.

BUT THAT HAS BEEN DRIVEN, I THINK, AS REPORTED, THROUGH PUBLIC SAFETY BY A LARGER LEVEL OF ATTRITION THAT WE DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR AND THEN THE MINIMUM MANNING STATUS OF FIRE AND SO WE'VE GOT TO BACKFILL THOSE POSITIONS.

VIA OVER TIME, I THINK OVER TIME THAT WILL ULTIMATELY ONCE WE BEGIN TO GET PEOPLE IN THOSE SEATS AND DO THAT WORK, THAT WILL TELL OFF.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE LEVEL OF FUNDING THAT OBVIOUSLY BALANCES ALL THE OTHER NEEDS OF THE CITY AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE GET TO A MORE OPTIMAL NUMBER BUT CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF TO HAVE THEM IN SOME CASES WHERE THEY CAN CONTROL AND MANAGE THE OVERTIME RESPONSIBLY AS I THINK MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE REQUESTED.

BUT THOSE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET CYCLE THIS YEAR.

IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS US TO CONSIDER, THAT IN SOME CASES ARE COMPETING INTERESTS WHEN IT COMES TO HOW WE BALANCE OUR BUDGET.

>> I WAS LOOKING THROUGH TOP-PAID EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND I THINK IT MIGHT SURPRISE PEOPLE TO REALIZE HOW MANY OF THEM ARE HOURLY FIREFIGHTERS, DRIVERS, AND WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO MANDATORY OVERTIME.

WE'VE ASKED THEM TO VOLUNTEER FOR OVERTIME.

BUT AGAIN, IT MIGHT SURPRISE PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THAT NUMBER.

IT'S VERY LARGE.

MANY OF OUR TOP ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS AREN'T BEING PAID AS MUCH AS SOME OF OUR FIREFIGHTERS.

THIS OVERTIME ISSUE FOR BOTH AREAS, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STAFFING APPROPRIATELY USING EVERY RESOURCE WE CAN AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, A LOT AT PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO RESPOND AND IT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE BALANCE OF OUR BUDGET AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S PREPARED FOR THAT.

OF COURSE, WE SHOULD USE THIS MONEY FOR THAT POLL RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXCESS MONEY.

WE'VE ALSO UNDERBUDGETED FOR SALES TAX FOR MANY YEARS, A LOT OF MONEY.

I KNOW WE HAD AN AUDIT ON SALES TAX.

THE FORECASTS ARE WITHIN A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF THAT, BUT WE'RE RELYING ON THESE OVERAGES FOR SALES TAX TO COVER A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE IN THE FUTURE.

WE MAY NOT HAVE A SALES TAX OVERAGE AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO MEAN FOR OUR CITY WHEN WE HAVE THIS OVERTIME THAT'S NOT BUDGETED IN AT THE BEGINNING COULD BE DEVASTATING.

I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE TWO ITEMS AND WANT TO JUST GET IT OUT THERE. THANK YOU.

>> I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE.

IS THERE ANYONE? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE REMOTE.

SEE ANYONE ELSE HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JACK AND TEAM, AND EVERYONE.

APPRECIATE YOU CITY MANAGER, AND WE'LL COME BACK AFTER A BREAK WITH ITEM C FOR OUR BRIEFING.

[Closed Session]

LET ME READ SOME STATUTORY LANGUAGE TO YOU AND THEN WE WILL GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND LUNCH AND RECONVENE.

IT IS 12:22 PM ON MAY 3RD, 2023, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.071 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTER DESCRIBED WITH TODAY'S AGENDA.

LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND CITY OF DALLAS, TEXAS VERSUS UNITED STATES AND THE REMEDIATION AND REDEVELOPMENT OF HENSLEY FIELD.

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WE WILL RECONVENE AT 1:00 PM. THANK YOU.

THE COUNCIL'S MEETING IS COMPLETED.

IT'S CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551.071.

THE TEXAS [INAUDIBLE] IS AT 1:19 PM ON MAY 3, 2023, WE'VE RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION, MR. CITY MANAGER, IT'S YOUR SHOW.

[C. 23-1192 ForwardDallas Comprehensive Land Use Plan Update]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. ITEM C, THE NEXT ITEM IS AN UPDATE ON THE FORWARDDALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

IN APRIL 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE PREPARATION OF AN UPDATE TO THE 2006 FORWARDDALLAS PLAN.

IN SEPTEMBER 2021 PLANNING URBAN DESIGN KICKED OFF THE PROCESS WITH A NEIGHBORHOOD SUMMIT TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND BEGIN ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY.

SINCE THAT TIME, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROJECT CONSULTANTS TO DEVELOP OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROGRAM AND AN INITIAL DRAFT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FOR THE CITY.

PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT WILL WALK US THROUGH THE WHY OF THIS UPDATE, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, KEY PLAN THEMES, AND THE DRAFT FUTURE LAND USE PLAN FRAMEWORK.

I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO JULIA RYAN DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

>> THANK YOU AND THANK YOU, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

I'M JOINED TODAY BY ANDREA GILLES, WHO IS OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, AS WELL AS PATRICK BLADES, WHO'S ON OUR FORWARDDALLAS TEAM.

WE ALSO HAVE CONSULTANTS FROM HOUSEAL LAVIGNE ONLINE AS WELL.

FOR DECADES, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS DEVELOPED AND ADOPTED PLAN AFTER PLAN AND THEN THEY SIT ON A SHELF.

AND WITH ALL THAT PLANNING, WE STILL DO NOT HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OR VISION FOR GROWTH.

ANDREA'S TEAM IS DEVELOPING A NO-NONSENSE BACK TO BASICS APPROACH TO LAND USE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

THIS PLAN IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT EFFORTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

TO HAVE A LAND USE VISION FOR FUTURE GROWTH MEANS THE ABILITY TO BETTER PLAN FOR GROWTH IN THE BUDGET AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

FORWARDDALLAS IS THE VITAL FIRST STEP IN REWRITING THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, IMPROVING THE DEVELOPMENT AND CITY PROCESSES THROUGH THE ELIMINATION OF [INAUDIBLE] AND WORKING TOWARDS ELIMINATING THE DISPARITIES AND LAND USE INEQUITIES.

I'LL HAND IT OVER NOW TO ANDREA GILLES. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, JULIA. JUST FOR THE RECORD, ANDREA GILLES ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE HERE.

THIRD TIME IS A CHARM FOR THE FORWARDDALLAS BRIEFING.

THANK YOU FOR COMING TOGETHER WITH US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS REALLY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT WE THINK FOR THE CITY.

WE ARE MISSING ONE OF OUR KEY MEMBERS TODAY WHO HAD PLANNED LEAVE, BUT LAUREN [INAUDIBLE] IS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS.

SOME OF YOU HAVE MET HIM.

WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A COUPLE OF ONE-ON-ONES TWO WEEKS AGO.

HE HAS BEEN A KEY PERSON TO THIS PROCESS SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU ALL GETTING TO KNOW HIM MORE.

BUT KICKING OFF, AND I DO WANT TO CONFIRM, I THINK OUR CONSULTANTS ARE ONLINE, BUT I THINK THEY'LL NEED ACCESS TOO.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

>> WE ARE GOOD, ANDREA.

>> PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

THERE WILL BE COMING ON ABOUT MIDWAY THROUGH THE PRESENTATION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WE CAN ACTUALLY GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS WELL.

JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

OBVIOUSLY FORWARDDALLAS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF KEY COMPONENTS THAT WE WANTED TO SET THE STAGE WITH AS WELL.

JUST REALLY WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS, A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT IT ISN'T, LOOKING AT WHAT ZONING IS VERSUS LAND USE AND THEN HOW WE GOT TO OUR DRAFT PROPOSAL TODAY.

WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE IN FRONT OF US, WHICH IS I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR IT'S STILL A DRAFT.

IT IS A VERY MUCH A WORK IN PROGRESS AND THAT IS THE POINT THAT OUR CONSULTANTS WILL TAKE OVER AND START THE DISCUSSION ON THAT.

THEN I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND WHAT TO EXPECT IN THE MONTHS TO COME AS WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE PROCESS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

NEXT SLIDE. JUST TO GET US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT FORWARDDALLAS IS AND ULTIMATELY WHAT IT IS NOT.

BUT WE AREN'T STARTING FROM SCRATCH ON THIS.

THERE WAS THE 2006 FORWARDDALLAS PLAN WAS ADOPTED AND THAT WAS A VERY TRADITIONAL COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT INCLUDED ALL OF THE ELEMENTS.

HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, I WAS GOING TO SAY LAND USE,

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BUT THAT ACTUALLY WASN'T A COMPONENT OF IT.

COMMUNITY FACILITIES.

THE WHOLE PACKAGE OF WHEN YOU THINK OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A CITY.

BUT SINCE THAT TIME, THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN ADOPTED THROUGH THE APPLICABLE CITY DEPARTMENTS.

BUT FORWARDDALLAS, THE UPDATE IS FOCUSING ON SPECIFICALLY LAND USE.

I MAKE THAT DISTINCTION BECAUSE IN 2006 WE HAD A VISION ILLUSTRATION.

WE GOT REALLY CLOSE TO GETTING A LAND USE PLAN ADOPTED FOR THE CITY, BUT WE'RE JUST A COUPLE OF STEPS AWAY FROM IT AND IT ACTUALLY EXPLICITLY SAID IN THIS PLAN THAT THIS VISION ILLUSTRATION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE LAND USE.

IT MADE CERTAIN BENEFITS OF A LAND USE PLAN DIFFICULT TO FULLY COMPLETE.

THE INTENT OF THIS PLAN IS TO HAVE AN ADOPTED CITYWIDE LAND USE THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS.

IT IS A LONG-TERM VISION GUIDE FOR THE CITY ABOUT HOW AND WHERE WE GROW.

WHEN I SAY LONG TERM, OFTENTIMES COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, WE THINK OF 20 YEARS.

THIS ONE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON THE BOOKS, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO DO, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPLEMENTATION.

THERE ARE A LOT OF STEPS THAT HAVE TO GO ONTO THIS.

I WOULD SAY WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT A 10-YEAR TIME-FRAME.

THEN WE MAY LOOK AT AN UPDATE AFTER THAT.

ONE OF THE REALLY KEY COMPONENTS I THINK OF THIS PLAN THAT IS OFTEN SOMETIMES OVERLOOKED WE TALK ABOUT IT A LOT, ENGAGEMENT.

BUT FROM THE CITY-WIDE PERSPECTIVE, IT HAS BEEN A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT GROWTH, TALK ABOUT PRESERVATION, TALK ABOUT URBAN DESIGN, TALK ABOUT ZONING AT THE CITY-WIDE SCALE.

IT'S ALSO PROVIDED US AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT IT IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER ABOUT HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS OF WHERE OUR GAPS ARE, WHERE WE MAY HAVE TOO MUCH, WHERE WE MAY HAVE TOO LITTLE AND TO REALLY START BUILDING SOME OF THOSE STRONG RELATIONSHIPS ON THE CITYWIDE SCALE WITH THE DIFFERENT CITYWIDE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN THAT'S INVOLVED IN THIS, WE ALSO ARE COORDINATING WITH SEVERAL OR ACTUALLY PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY TO DEVELOP THIS PLAN.

IT'S ALSO A GUIDE FOR FUTURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS ALWAYS THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG CONVERSATION.

IS IT TRANSPORTATION AND WATER THAT GUIDES LAND USE OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND? I'M A PLANNER, I'M GOING TO SAY ITS LAND-USE THAT DRIVES THOSE DECISIONS.

THEN WE REALLY, IN MANY WAYS, FORWARDDALLAS SURPRISINGLY IS ACTUALLY CALLED OUT IN MANY OF THE RECENTLY ADOPTED PLANS FOR THE CITY.

THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, HOUSING POLICY.

THE MOBILITY PLAN C. IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THE GOALS OF THOSE ADOPTED PLANS THROUGH THE CITY FORWARDDALLAS NEEDS TO DO ITS PART AS WELL.

THAT IS ONE OF THE BIG PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THROUGH THIS PLAN.

THE OTHER PIECE OF THIS IS IT IS AN IMPLEMENTATION TOOL FOR THE CITY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AS WE'VE BEEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THESE PLANS, BUT WE DON'T IMPLEMENT THEM.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN IS IMPLEMENTABLE.

THAT'S WHY I TALK ABOUT THE 10-YEAR HORIZON FOR THIS PLAN IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE SOME REALISTIC ACTION STEPS.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS WHAT THIS PLAN IS AND THEN I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT IT IS NOT ZONING.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN THAT HOVERS OVER AS A GUIDE FOR ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE A STEP AFTER THIS PROCESS AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE FORWARDDALLAS PLAN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. I'VE COVERED OVER A LOT OF THESE TOPICS, BUT WHY UPDATE THIS PLAN? I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE IS THE AUTHORITY, OR THE STATE, THE LOCAL, THE CITY CHARTER GIVES US THE AUTHORITY TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

I THINK SOMETHING THAT PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN JUST DECIDED TO TAKE THIS UP AND DO WHAT PLANNERS DO.

BUT THERE IS, AND IT REALLY IS FROM THE STATE LEVEL AND THE LOCAL LEVEL IT'S EVEN IN OUR ZONING CODE, IS HOW WE TIE LAND USE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ZONING DECISIONS WITHIN THE CITY AND ALSO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT DECISIONS WITHIN THE CITY.

OBVIOUSLY, OUR CITY IS GROWING, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT GROWTH.

NOT JUST POPULATION, BUT WHICH OBVIOUSLY EQUATES TO HOUSING.

WHERE DO WE PUT THAT HOUSING? WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING? BUT ALSO WHERE DO THOSE JOBS GO? WHERE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO WORK? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN WORK IN THE CITY AND WE HAVE TO THINK STRATEGICALLY ABOUT WHERE THOSE THINGS TAKE PLACE.

WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK STRATEGICALLY ABOUT WHERE WE PRESERVE EITHER CERTAIN RESOURCES OR CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE LONGEVITY THAT THEY NEED,

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AND THE AMENITIES AND THE TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S NECESSARY.

WHAT WE DO HAVE SO THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WE DO HAVE SOME LAND-USE GUIDANCE, BUT WE HAVE MANY AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE LAND-USE GUIDANCE.

WHEN WE HAVE ZONING APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN, IT'S WE TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME.

EACH TIME WE HAVE TO START THE DISCUSSION AGAIN.

IS THIS RIGHT FOR THIS AREA? WHAT IS THE VISION? IT'S TIRING FOR RESIDENTS WHO HAVE TO COME DOWN APPLICATION AFTER APPLICATION.

PARTS OF THE CITY, THERE'S ABOUT HALF THE CITY THAT HAS LAND-USE GUIDANCE.

HALF THE CITY DOESN'T, HALF OF THE CITY THAT DOES HAVE THAT LAND-USE GUIDANCE.

SOME OF IT'S FROM THE '80S, SO IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS YOU DO COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, AND ONE OF THE WAYS THAT DALLAS HAS BEEN DOING IT, AREA PLAN BY AREA PLAN, NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, BY NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN TO IDEALLY GET YOURSELF THAT THE ENTIRE CITIES COVERED.

WELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS AND WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT HALF OF THE CITY COVERED.

BY THE TIME YOU START TO THINK ABOUT THE OTHER HALF, THE OTHER HALF IS ALREADY OUTDATED.

AS I MENTIONED, REALLY HELPING SUPPORT THOSE OTHER ADOPTED POLICIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, AND EQUITY IS A KEY COMPONENT OF THIS PLAN.

NOT JUST LAND USE EQUITY WHERE CERTAIN USES ARE GOING, AND THE INCOMPATIBILITIES ARE THE COMPATIBILITIES OF THOSE LAND USES.

BUT THEN ALSO THE ENGAGEMENT COMPONENT OF THIS AND MAKING SURE THAT COMMUNITIES WHO HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS ARE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS, ARE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SPEAKING OF PROCESS, AS YOU KNOW WITH PLANNING, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROCESS.

THIS OFFICIALLY KICKED OFF IN FALL 2021.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT SINCE THAT TIME, AS YOU'LL RECALL, UNTIL ABOUT APRIL 2022, WE WERE PRETTY MUCH VIRTUAL.

TALKING ABOUT A CONCEPT LIKE LAND USE ISN'T THE EASIEST THING TO TALK ABOUT IN A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT.

WE TRIED OUR BEST, BUT IT DIDN'T FEEL AS THOUGH THE ENGAGEMENT WAS ENRICHING AS IT COULD BE AS IF IT WAS IN PERSON.

WE EXTENDED OUR ENGAGEMENT PERIOD.

WE'RE STILL DOING ENGAGEMENT, BUT AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE EVOLVED INTO THEMES.

WE HAVE A DRAFT PLAN OR AT LEAST A DRAFT MAP AND SOME DRAFT FUTURE PLACE TYPES.

THAT IS PRIMARILY A LOT OF WORK WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

GOING OUT UPON REQUESTS, SCHEDULING MEETINGS ALL THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEN ALSO WORKING WITH DIFFERENT AGENCY PARTNERS AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS ALSO IMPACTS OUR FELLOW AGENCIES AS WELL.

WE ARE VERY MUCH IN THE TESTING THE PLAN, TESTING THE INITIAL DRAFT, AND WE ARE ON OUR SECOND DRAFT AT THIS POINT OF THE PLAN AND WILL BE QUICKLY MOVING INTO OUR THIRD DRAFT, AND THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME.

THEN OBVIOUSLY LOOKING INTO WE'RE SAYING FALL 2023, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE PROJECTED OUT FOR THE CPC REVIEW AND THEN COMING TO YOU POTENTIALLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

IT'S AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE.

OBVIOUSLY, IF WE NEED MORE ENGAGEMENT, IT WILL BE EXTENDED.

BUT THAT AT THIS POINT IS THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BASELINE OF EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT LAND USE VERSUS ZONING.

WE KNOW ZONING IN DALLAS.

WE DO A LOT OF ZONING AND DALLAS LOT OF VERY DETAILED ZONING IN DALLAS WELL, WE DON'T NECESSARILY WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IS THAT WE USE LAND USE AND ZONING INTERCHANGEABLY PLANS AND ZONING INTERCHANGEABLY PLANS AND PDS, INTERCHANGEABLY.

PDS AND ZONING ARE SEPARATE FROM LAND USE.

LAND USE IS A GENERAL GUIDE TO WHAT, IDEALLY A MIX OF USES YOU'D LIKE TO SEE YOU IN A CERTAIN AREA, AND IT GIVES YOU A RANGE.

A FUTURE LAND USE, YOU CAN HAVE A RANGE OF USES IN THAT.

FOR ZONING, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTY.

I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH THAT LAND USE IS A FLEXIBLE GUIDE.

IT IS NOT MEANT TO.

I'VE HEARD WILL IT PUT THE THUMB ON THE SCALE.

ZONING IS WHAT PUTS THE THUMB ON THE SCALE.

LAND-USE GIVES YOU OPTIONS, BUT IT GIVES YOU PARAMETERS TO THOSE OPTIONS.

OBVIOUSLY, AS WE TALKED BEFORE, LAND USES FUTURE, IT'S ASPIRATIONAL, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ROOTED IN REALITY.

WE CAN'T MAKE JUST SWOOPING CHANGES WITHOUT IT BEING GROUNDED IN SOME REALITY OF IT BEING A FEASIBLE OPTION.

ZONING IS WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY.

IT'S WHAT YOU CAN BUILD ON THE GROUND TODAY AND IT PROVIDES YOU WITH THOSE VERY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS AND RULES,

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AND WHAT LAND-USE WILL DO IS GIVE YOU THE GENERAL INTENT.

I ALWAYS THINK OF LAND USES.

IT JUST HOVERS UP AT ABOUT 30,000 FEET, GIVES YOU THOSE GENERAL PARAMETERS AND ZONING IS WHAT NARROWS IT REALLY DOWN AND THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE PROCESSES.

IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE HAVE AN ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN AND THEN FOLLOW UP THAT PLAN WITH REASONINGS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THEN WE TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER.

THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT WE INTERCHANGE OFTEN IS EXISTING LAND USE AND FUTURE LAND USE. EXISTING LAND USE.

THIS IS WHAT WE USE AS THE BASE FOR OUR ANALYSIS WHEN WE GO OUT.

PLANNERS, WE MAP OUT WHAT OUR EXISTING LAND USE IS, WHAT IS ON THE GROUND TODAY? HOW IS ANY GIVEN PROPERTY BEING USED TODAY? THAT'S OUR EXISTING LAND USE.

THEN WE START TO TELL THE STORY IS THAT EXISTING LAND USE WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH COMMUNITY, WITH DISCUSSIONS WITH DECISION-MAKERS.

IS THAT EXISTING LAND USE THE RIGHT LAND USE FOR THAT AREA? OR DOES IT NEED TO TRANSITION? IF IT'S THE RIGHT LAND USE, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLANNING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN THAT AREA.

THEN WE ALSO ASK OURSELVES, DOES THE EXISTING LAND USE AND ZONING MATCH? IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WHAT IS OUR VISION FOR THAT AREA? WHAT DOES THAT FUTURE VISION FOR THAT AREA? IF THAT FUTURE VISION FOR THE AREA IS DIFFERENT THAN THE EXISTING LAND USE AND THE EXISTING ZONING, THEN WE PROBABLY NEED A TRANSITION INTO SOMETHING ELSE AND THAT'S WHERE PLANNERS COME INTO THAT DEEPER DIVE.

AGAIN, FUTURE LAND USE LOOKING 10-20 YEARS OUT AND IT IS ASPIRATIONAL AND THEN PLACE TYPES.

THIS IS THE CONCEPT THAT WE'LL BE USING FOR FORWARDDALLAS.

IT'S GENERALLY NOW WHAT IS USED FOR ESPECIALLY BIGGER CITIES WHEN YOU CAN'T GO IN AND DO LAND USE PROPERTY BY PROPERTY.

BECAUSE IT'S OFTENTIMES IT BECOMES A ZONING QUESTION BECAUSE YOU'RE SO IN THE WEEDS FOR A CITYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR A CITY OF THIS SIZE, WHAT'S BEING USED AS PLACE TYPES? IT'S A FUTURE LAND USE, BUT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW DO YOU DEFINE THIS PLACE.

WHAT MAKES UP THIS PLACE? WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE, WHAT MAKES IT SPECIAL? THAT'S THE CONCEPT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS, AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE PLACE TYPES RIGHT, WHAT THE DESCRIPTIONS ARE OF THOSE PLACE TYPES, AND THEN ALSO WHERE THEY'RE PLACED ON THE MAP. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AS I MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

I KNOW THAT IT IS CRITICAL TO A LOT OF YOU.

THIS IS JUST A LIST OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

IT'S BEEN A MIX OF VIRTUAL MEETINGS, A LOT OF IN-PERSON MEETINGS, ACCESS THROUGH OUR WEBSITE.

WE HAVE SOMETHING ONLINE AS WELL THAT IT'S CALLED SOCIAL PINPOINT, WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND INTERACTIVELY PROVIDE COMMENTS ON A MAP ONLINE.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO COME TO A MEETING, YOU HAVE MEETING FATIGUE.

YOU'RE LIKE, I'VE GOT THREE MINUTES FOR YOU.

I'M GOING TO ADD THIS COMMENT TO THE MAP.

AND YOU CAN DO IT ON YOUR PHONE.

WE ALL KNOW WE HAVE A TON OF MEETINGS.

IF WE CAN PROVIDE OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR PEOPLE TO PROVIDE COMMENTS, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD VEHICLE AND WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON IT.

BUT THROUGH ALL OF THIS ENGAGEMENT, THERE WERE CERTAIN THEMES.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD CERTAIN DRIVING PRINCIPLES FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

AGAIN, THESE ARE DRAFTS TOO, THESE CAN EVOLVE STILL.

BUT WHAT CAME OUT OF ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION, ALL OF THESE COMMENTS, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

ACTUALLY, THIS IS EVEN FURTHER.

THIS ACTUALLY GOES WITH DRILLS AND A LITTLE DOWN.

IF YOU DID WANT THIS INFORMATION FOR YOUR DISTRICT ABOUT WHERE WE'VE HELD THESE MEETINGS, WHO IS INVOLVED, WHAT TYPE OF MEETING IT WAS? WE'VE BEEN TRACKING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE ABOUT WHO WE'RE MEETING WITH, WHO WE'RE TALKING WITH, HOW FREQUENTLY WE ARE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR CONVERSATIONS ARE WELL DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

BUT I WILL SAY WE'RE ALSO EMPHASIZING ON COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE NOT TRADITIONALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION OR THE PLANNING PROCESS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HAVING THOSE TOUCHED POINTS AND THERE ARE VARIED TYPES OF TOUCH POINTS.

THROUGH ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY DEDICATED STAFF.

ALSO, THE PROJECT TEAM IS LARGER THAN US.

ON THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, THERE'S ABOUT EIGHT STAFF.

SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY GOOD WITH DATA AND DISTILLING INFORMATION.

THEY TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE KEY THEMES THAT HAVE COME OUT OF THIS PROCESS SO FAR, I WILL SAY BY AND LARGE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE HAS BEEN

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A HUGE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION SINCE DAY ONE OF THIS PROCESS.

IT HAS BECOME VERY CLEAR TO US THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE THROUGH THIS PLAN.

HOWEVER, WE CAN THROUGH LAND USE AND ZONING.

PART OF THAT IS MANAGING EXPECTATIONS, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A LOT THAT WE CAN DO THROUGH LAND USE AND ZONING TO HELP WITH THAT ISSUE.

HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY HAS BEEN ANOTHER BIG TOPIC OF THE CONVERSATION.

IT'S NOT JUST ACCESS TO HOUSING, BUT IT'S ALSO BEING ABLE TO STAY IN HOUSING AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MULTI-GENERATIONAL HOUSING, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, AFFORDABLE PRICE POINTS.

I DON'T MEAN AFFORDABLE HOUSING, JUST ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRICE POINTS.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REVITALIZATION SPECIFICALLY ALONG OUR CORRIDORS.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONVERSATION THROUGH THIS PLAN ABOUT CORRIDORS REVITALIZING SHOPPING CENTERS.

I THINK THAT'S ALSO AN EXCITING PIECE OF THIS.

URBAN DESIGN IS A BIG COMPONENT.

WE DO HAVE A TEAM WORKING ON THAT BECAUSE WE CAN PROVIDE PLACE PIPES, WE CAN PROVIDE LAND-USE GUIDANCE, BUT I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO HAVE SOME GUIDANCE ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND ALSO WHAT THE PUBLIC, HOW THE PUBLIC PART OR THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER.

WE'VE ALSO HEARD A LOT ABOUT WALKABILITY IN THAT AND HOW THE BILL'S ENVIRONMENT HELPS WITH WALKABILITY.

TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND CONNECTIVITY IS ANOTHER KEY ONE.

ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS SOMEWHAT SURPRISING AS WE'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT RURAL AND AGRICULTURAL AREAS AND REALLY WANTING TO PRESERVE THAT RURAL LIVING LIFESTYLE.

WE'VE GOT THE URBAN AGRICULTURE AND HOW WE CAN SUPPORT SOME OF THAT IN DALLAS THROUGH LAND USE AND ZONING.

WITH THAT, I WILL COME BACK AFTER BRANDON GOES THROUGH THE DIFFERENT PLACETYPES, BUT HE'S GOING TO WALK THROUGH HOW WE DEVELOPED THOSE PLACETYPES.

WHAT A PLACETYPE IS, HOW IT CAN BE USED, AND HOW IT IS BEING USED IN THE FORWARDDALLAS PLAN.

BRANDON, ARE YOU AVAILABLE?

>> I AM. CAN YOU HEAR ME?

>> YES, WE CAN.

>> EXCELLENT. THANKS VERY MUCH, ANDREA.

I JUST WANT TO HELP UNPACK THIS PLACETYPE CONCEPT A LITTLE BIT.

NATIONALIZED, WE TALK ABOUT LAND USE AND DEVELOPMENT.

INCREASINGLY, THERE IS A SHIFT TOWARDS TALKING ABOUT QUALITY OF PLACE OR SENSE OF PLACE INSTEAD OF REALLY A MYOPIC FOCUS ON JUST INDIVIDUAL PARCEL USE, IS MY PARCEL YELLOW OR RED OR BLUE ON THIS MAP, IT'S MORE ABOUT HOW DOES THAT PERSON CONTRIBUTE TO LARGER DISTRICTS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PLACETYPES IN A LAND USE PLAN PERSPECTIVE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REALLY A MORE HOLISTIC VISION OF WHAT A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A DISTRICT CAN BE. HOW CAN IT FUNCTION? HOW SHOULD IT BE DESIGNED TO BE A QUALITY PLACE? THEN WORKING WITH STAFF AND REVIEWING ALL THE INPUT, LOOKING AT EXISTING LAND USE THAT'S ON THE GROUND, WE'VE COME UP WITH A PRELIMINARY PALETTE OF COLORS AND PLACETYPES FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

RIGHT NOW, ON AN INVENTORY OF APPROXIMATELY 12 PLACETYPES.

WHAT THESE REPRESENT IS REALLY A RANGE OF MIX OF USES AND DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY THAT RUNS THE GAMUT THROUGH THE CITY FROM YOUR LESS INTENSE AREAS LIKE THE RURAL AREAS THAT ANDREA WAS JUST SPEAKING ABOUT REGIONAL OPEN SPACE AREAS, YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS ALL THE WAY TO YOUR CITY CENTER AND YOUR MOST INTENSE PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

BUT REALLY AGAIN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REALLY EMPHASIZING QUALITY OF PLACE, SENSE OF PLACE OVER INDIVIDUAL LAND USES, AND HAVING MORE OF THAT HOLISTIC APPROACH.

WITH THAT SAID, WE'RE PROVIDING REALLY SOME ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY IN THE LAND USE PLAN BY TAKING THE DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE APPROACH.

WE'RE SAYING IT'S OKAY IF YOU MIXED LAND USES IN AN AREA, AS LONG AS YOU'RE ADHERING TO QUALITY DESIGN THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE FUNCTION AND AGAIN, SENSE OF PLACE OF THAT AREA.

THAT ALSO HELPS YOU SET THE TABLE FOR THE ZONING PIECE.

AS ANDREA SAID, WE'RE REALLY AT THIS STAGE FOR THE LAND'S PLAN, WE'RE PROVIDING THE LONG-TERM POLICY FOR THE CITY IN TERMS OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

THEN THE ZONING IDEALLY IS BEING UPDATED AND YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY ROLLING ON THIS, WHICH IS GREAT.

YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, WE HAVE THE POLICY IN PLACE, NOW LET'S CREATE THE TEETH IN OUR CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PLACES ARE CREATED OR SUPPORTED IF THEY ALREADY EXIST.

WITH THAT SAID, IT'S REALLY AGAIN, A SHIFT MORE ON QUALITY DESIGN AND THE WAY BUILDINGS AND PUBLIC REALM AND STREETS INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND LESS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL USES OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.

THE EASIEST WAY, MAYBE THAT HELP MAKE THIS MORE CLEAR ABOUT THIS CONCEPT IS REALLY JUST GOING TO WALK THROUGH AN EXAMPLE AREA.

HERE WE'RE LOOKING AT A TYPICAL TRADITIONAL RESIDENTIAL AREA WITHIN DALLAS.

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IF YOU'RE LIVING IN THIS AREA, YOU LEAVE YOUR HOME, YOU LOOK LEFT, YOU LOOK RIGHT CHANCES ARE YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THE SAME TYPE OF HOUSING AROUND, SIMILAR SETBACKS, SIMILAR SIDEWALK TREATMENTS, SIMILAR BLOCK SIZE.

REALLY, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, BUT IT'S ALSO MUCH MORE THAN THAT.

AS YOU LEAVE YOUR HOUSE AND EXPLORE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE YELLOW PARCELS ON THE MAP.

WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT INTERJECTING A BIT OF HOUSING DIVERSITY AS WELL.

AS YOU EXPLORE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME TOWNHOMES OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AT THE END OF THE BLOCK, SOMETHING THAT'S PROVIDING THAT HOUSING ACCESSIBILITY WE SPOKE TO EARLIER.

IT'S ALSO LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS, THE LOCAL POOL, THE AREAS THAT REALLY PROVIDE THE AMENITIES THAT YOU USE ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THAT PLACE.

ALSO, THE PARKS AND GREENWAYS CONNECTIONS THAT ARE HELPING YOU NOT JUST INTERACT WITH NATURE, BUT ALSO CONNECT TO THE LARGER REGIONAL OPEN SPACE AS WELL.

THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ALSO LOOKING AT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIALS.

AGAIN, AS YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S THE MIX OF THE HOUSING, IT'S THE MIX OF THE PARKS AND THE POOLS, THE SCHOOLS, AS WELL AS THOSE TOWNHOMES, THOSE APARTMENTS.

THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CORNER STORE OR THE LOCAL SERVING RETAIL AREA THAT YOU GO TO ON A REGULAR BASIS JUST TO GET A JUG OF MILK OR MAYBE GRAB A QUICK BITE TO EAT WITH YOUR FAMILY.

THAT PLACE, THAT RESIDENTIAL PLACE IS NOT JUST SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, IT'S THAT, AND THEN SOME.

AS WE LOOK TO DEFINE ALL THESE PLACETYPES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE DESIRED MIX OF USES IN EACH OF THESE AREAS.

WHAT'S THE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT? BOTH IN TERMS OF HEIGHT, IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS.

WHAT'S THE BLOCK RHYTHM, THE STREET PATTERN LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF HOW THOSE BUILDINGS INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND CREATE LARGER DISTRICTS.

IT'S REALLY TAKING ALL THOSE COMPONENTS OF A PLACE AND PUTTING IT WITHIN A DEFINITION.

ANDREA IS GOING TO WALK THROUGH A SAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH SO FAR TO DEFINE THESE PLACETYPES A BIT FURTHER THAT WE'LL BE USING IN THE PLAN.

BUT IN GENERAL, WE'VE GOT AGAIN ABOUT 12 OF THESE.

THEY RUN THE GAMUT FROM YOUR MORE RURAL AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO YOUR TIERED DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INTENSITY OF COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, YOUR CITY CENTER, INSTITUTIONAL AREAS, AREAS THAT ARE ANCHORED BY THINGS LIKE HOSPITALS OR MAJOR EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.

THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT ARE REALLY MORE FOCUSED ON EMPLOYMENT.

BUT AS WE KNOW, AS WE TALK ABOUT LOOKING AT THESE KEY ISSUES, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MANAGING LAND USE TRANSITIONS WITHIN THOSE AREAS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THEMES THAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO.

THAT'S ALL. I'LL HAND THIS BACK TO ANDREA NOW.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO WEIGH IN ANDREA AS WE GO THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION HERE, BUT I THINK SHE WILL TAKE OVER FROM HERE.

>> THANK YOU, BRANDON. BRANDON HAS REALLY BEEN IN ALL OF THE TEAM IN-HOUSE, OLIVIA, AND HAS BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE TO STAFF AND TO THE COMMUNITY AND HELPING TO DEVELOP THESE DIFFERENT DRAFTS.

I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHERE WE'RE AT FROM THE EVOLVING DRAFT PERSPECTIVE.

AS YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WE DO HAVE A MAP THAT'S OUT.

THE FIRST DRAFT THAT CAME OUT WAS A BASELINE PLACE TIGHT MAP, AND IT WAS A COMPILATION OF WHAT THE 2006 FORWARDDALLAS PLAN SAID AND WHAT ANY AREA PLANS OR NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS OR CORRIDOR PLANS THAT HAD BEEN ADOPTED SINCE THAT TIME THAT HAD A LAND USE COMPONENT, WHAT THEY SAID.

WE COULD HAVE A BASELINE MAP TO LOOK AT TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT WHAT OUR CURRENT POLICY IS BECAUSE TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION.

THERE'S A LOT OF PLANS FLOATING AROUND WITH AND WITHOUT LAND USES.

TO GET THAT BASELINE, AND THEN WE'VE STARTED WITH ROUND 2 WITH DRAFT 2 STARTED TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE COMMUNITY COMMENTS THAT WE HAD HEARD.

WE KNEW THAT THERE WERE PLACED TYPES THAT NEEDED TO CHANGE, BUT WE NEEDED THAT FIRST BASELINE MAP TO BE ABLE TO WORK FROM.

WE ARE WORKING ON A SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW ABOUT HAVING AN UPDATED DRAFT EVERY 4-6 WEEKS THAT WE WILL PUBLISH ONLINE.

WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE ISSUES IN CLUSTERS.

RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF FOCUS ON THE INDUSTRIAL PARTS OF THE CITY BECAUSE THAT TIES LARGELY INTO ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ISSUES.

WE'VE GOT AREAS THAT WERE NEVER REZONED BASED ON THEIR EXISTING OR ADOPTED LAND USE PLANS.

WE JUST HAVE THE REALITY OF INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES THAT

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WE HAVEN'T SORTED OUT THROUGH THE YEARS AND WHETHER THAT BE BECAUSE OF ANNEXATION AND THEN THEY NEVER GOT REZONED TO MATCH WHAT WAS ON THE GROUND.

OR IT WAS THAT PAST HISTORY OF CUMULATIVE ZONING WHERE BASICALLY IF YOU GOT UP TO INDUSTRIAL, YOU COULD DO EVERY KIND OF USE IN IT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE.

WE HAVE SEVERAL AREAS LIKE THAT AND IT PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH DALLAS AND WEST SIDE OF DALLAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THAT IS ONE OF AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT IN ADDITION TO THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT WE'LL ALSO BE REVIEWING THIS PLAN, THERE'S A COMMITTEE THAT SET UP THROUGH THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE.

WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM SINCE I THINK OUR FIRST MEETING WAS JANUARY 2022 TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THIS CITYWIDE LAND USE PLAN WAS GOING TO BE, AND IT WAS AN EYE-OPENER, I THINK FOR THEM AS TO HOW MUCH WORK GOES INTO THIS AND DEVELOPING THIS AT THE CITY-WIDE SCALE.

THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING OUR DRAFTS AND IN PARTICULAR ALSO REVIEWING THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.

THERE ARE THREE COMPONENTS OF THIS PLAN.

THERE'S GOING TO BE THE MAP.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE MAP RIGHT. RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE HAVING A SERIES OF MEETINGS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY THAT JUST SAYS, DID WE GET IT RIGHT? WE'RE OPEN TO PEOPLE SAYING, NO, YOU DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT, AND THEY ARE TELLING US KNOW YOU DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT.

BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT YOU DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SEE IN OUR AREA.

EITHER ONE, THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND THAT'S WHAT IT NEEDS TO STAY OR TWO, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S THIS, BUT IT NEEDS TO GO TO THIS AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.

WE'RE DOING A LOT OF THAT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WITH SOME OF YOU.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS PRINT OUT DRAFTS OF THIS MAP OF EACH OF CITYWIDE, BUT THEN ALSO HIGHLIGHTING YOUR DISTRICTS, AND WE WANT TO GO THROUGH THE MATH WITH YOU AS WELL, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW YOUR AREAS REALLY WELL, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, THE MAP, RIGHT FOR YOUR DISTRICTS.

THE OTHER THING THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANNING COMMITTEE IS DOING IS REALLY GETTING IN THE WEEDS ON THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, AND I JUST WANTED TO GO INTO A FEW OF THE COMPONENTS OF THAT BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE THE MAP, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER.

AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, PART OF WHAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING AS WELL AS IS THAT OKAY.

WE'RE DOING THE CITYWIDE PLAN.

WE'RE HEARING ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

A LOT OF IT CAN BE ADDRESSED THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS AT THE CITY-WIDE SCALE.

SOME OF IT IS GOING TO NEED MORE NUANCED PLANNING, SMALL-SCALE PLANNING.

WE'RE IDENTIFYING AREAS THAT ONCE FORWARDDALLAS IS ADOPTED, MAYBE WE NEED TO GO BACK IN AND EITHER DO A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, A CORRIDOR PLAN, MAYBE AN AREA PLAN.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO AREA PLANS AT THAT SCALE, AND WE CAN STICK TO NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND CORRIDORS, BUT THINGS CAN HAPPEN, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT IN PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE AREAS WHERE WE MAY NEED REASONINGS THAT'S GOING TO HELP US GET TO THAT NEXT STEP WITH THE REZONING, WHICH WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

BUT THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PLACE TYPES RIGHT NOW THAT WANTED TO WALK YOU THROUGH AS TO, SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MAP MEANS.

THERE ARE A BUNCH OF COLORS AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW RURAL, RESIDENTIAL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? ONE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN IS ACCESSIBLE, THAT WE CAN EASILY TRANSLATE IT INTO MULTIPLE LANGUAGES, BUT THAT IT'S ALSO JUST SIZE-WISE.

I MEAN, ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

THEY ARE VERY INTIMIDATING EVEN FOR PLANNERS WHO THIS IS WHAT WE DO AND LOVE.

THEY'RE VERY INTIMIDATING AND THEY EASILY, ESPECIALLY FOR A COMMUNITY MEMBER THINKING OF GOING THROUGH A 250 PAGE DOCUMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FOR MY HOUSE, WHICH IS YOU'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING GREAT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'VE GOT THE MAP, THEN YOU'VE GOT A PAGE FOR EACH PLACE TYPE, AND THEN AT THE END YOU CAN FIND YOUR IMPLEMENTATION.

IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN A PAGE FOR A PLACE TYPE, BUT WE WANT TO KEEP IT IN MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE FORMAT.

JUST USING THE FLEX INDUSTRY, THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANNING COMMITTEE.

THEY'VE BEEN SUPER-HELPFUL AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT WE GET IT RIGHT, HOW WE DIFFERENTIATE OUR INDUSTRIAL USES, WHERE THOSE INDUSTRIAL USES GO, HOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EDGES AND TRANSITIONS.

FOR EACH OF THE PLACE TYPES WILL HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IT IS, WHAT THE PRIMARY GOALS OF THAT ARE.

IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

IT'LL GO THROUGH THE DESCRIPTION OF THE AREA, WHAT THE PRIMARY GOALS OF THE PLACE.

BUT THEN WE'LL ALSO, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S NOT LIKE IN MANY TRADITIONAL FUTURE LAND USE IS IT'S JUST THIS ONE LAND USE.

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WE TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR PRIMARY LAND USES ARE IN THIS PLACE AND WHAT THE SUPPORTING LAND USES ARE IN THIS PLATE, AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER.

THERE WILL BE SOME GRAPHICS GIVING YOU SOME IDEA OF HOW THOSE GET MIXED TOGETHER. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WHAT WE HAVE FOUND AS WELL IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH, SAY, 42 DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING AND WE'RE STILL IN A DRAFT PHASE OF THIS AND WE'RE TESTING THIS OUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH IT, DON'T AGREE WITH IT, BUT SAY FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPE.

DO WE DO TWO RESIDENTIAL PLACE TYPES? ONE FOR THE URBAN CONTEXTS, ONE FOR THE SUBURBAN CONTEXTS, EVEN THOUGH BOTH OF THEM HAVE APARTMENTS, BOTH OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, BOTH OF THEM HAVE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS.

IT'S JUST DIFFERENT SCALES AND ITS DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.

DO WE SEPARATE THOSE OUT OR CAN WE HAVE THAT SAME DISCUSSION AND SAY RESIDENTIAL 1, WHERE HERE'S YOUR DESCRIPTION OF A SUBURBAN CONTEXT, HERE'S YOUR DESCRIPTION OF AN URBAN CONTEXT.

WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FLESH THAT OUT AND HOW THAT WORKS BEST WITH THE CITY AND ARE GOING TO WANT YOUR INPUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THEN THE PLACE TYPES ARE ALSO GOING TO EMPHASIZE HOW WE'RE TYING BACK TO THESE THEMES.

WE KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION, HOW ARE WE TYING BACK TO OUR OVERARCHING PRINCIPLE THEMES, ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, HOUSING, ACCESSIBILITY, AND SO ON, AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TIED INTO THAT IN THOSE DESCRIPTIONS, THERE'S A RATIONALE FOR EACH OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE DIFFERENT THEMES.

NOW SOME OF THE PLACE TYPES, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THE THEMES WITH A LOT OF EMPHASIS.

SOME OF THEM MAY BE NOT SO MUCH, BUT I THINK EACH OF THEM WILL HAVE AT LEAST SOME TOUCH POINT TO THE DIFFERENT THEMES, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CIRCLING BACK AND TYING THOSE TOGETHER.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. BEFORE I GO INTO THESE QUESTIONS, THIS IS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND WANTING TO GO INTO SOME OF THE FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GETTING.

I DO WANT TO SAY WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW IS GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANNING COMMITTEE.

I WILL PROMISE YOU THAT IT IS A VERY DEEP DIVE THAT THEY'RE DOING.

GOING THROUGH WORD BY WORD.

WE'RE CURRENTLY MEETING EVERY TWICE A MONTH.

THEY'RE TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY TO NOT ONLY TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP, BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE PLACE TYPES RIGHT.

I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN THEIR SUPPORT.

WE ALSO HAVE A VERY DIVERSE MIX.

WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE MAP AND DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE HAVE A TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AS WELL OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, AS WELL AS EXTERNAL AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT INPUT, THAT OUR PLANS AND OUR IDEAS AND OUR VISIONS FOR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY ARE SINKS, AND THAT WE'RE SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER AND THAT WE'RE SUPPORTING EACH OTHER'S PLANS, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE CONTINUING TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SOME OF THE QUESTIONS JUST TO WRAP UP THE PRESENTATION.

ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS HOW DOES THIS HELP WITH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW? HOW DOES THIS HELP WITH ZONING CASES? THERE IS FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE A GUIDE.

WHEN I WAS DOING ZONING CASES OR WHEN I WAS WORKING ON PLANS, MY FIRST QUESTION WAS ZONING CASE WOULD COME IN TO ME.

WHAT IS THE PLAN SAY? I THINK WE HAVE TO GET MORE AND MORE USED TO THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY, IF WE HAVE A PLAN AND LAND-USE GUIDANCE THAT COVERS THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY, IT CAN BE MUCH MORE COMMONPLACE TO JUST SAY YOUR FIRST QUESTION.

I'M BIASED, I'M A PLANNER.

THAT MY FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE WHEN A ZONING APPLICATION COMES IN, WHAT IS THE PLAN SAY? IS IT CONSISTENT OR IN ACCORDANCE AS THE STATE LAW SAYS, IS IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? NOW, THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A HARD ONE FOR ONE.

WE'RE FINDING THAT BALANCE WITHIN THIS PLAN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

AGAIN, THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG BUT I THINK LAND-USE DRIVES A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE DECISIONS.

I THINK WE CAN USE IT AS A GUIDE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND BEING ABLE TO ZERO IN.

WE WILL HAVE THE IMPLEMENTATION SECTION IN THE PLAN WHICH WILL ADDRESS AREAS THAT NEED TO BE REZONED, AREAS THAT MAY NEED A MORE SMALLER NUANCE PLAN, AREAS THAT MAY NEED INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE PLAN.

IT'LL BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THAT MATRIX AND

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EVALUATE IT FOR IT TO HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

HOW DOES THIS RESPOND TO COMMUNITY CONCERNS? AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE'RE REALLY EMPHASIZING EQUITABLE ENGAGEMENT, NOT JUST IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, BUT ALSO HOW WE DO THAT ENGAGEMENT.

WE HAVE SPANISH TRANSLATION AT ALL OF OUR MEETINGS, ALL OF OUR MATERIALS ACTUALLY WE HAD TO PULL BACK ON THE ORIGINAL DRAFT OF THIS SLIDE THAT WE SEND THROUGH HEADER SPANISH TRANSLATIONS ON IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST OUR DEFAULT THAT WE DO EVERYTHING IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE MORE STAFF THAT SPEAK SPANISH AS WELL.

WE KNOW THAT THE PLACE TYPES CAN HAVE A VERY EXPLICIT DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE THEMES AND THESE KEY PRINCIPLES AND HOW WE ADDRESS THEM.

ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM AN EQUITABLE STANDPOINT IS REALLY THIS ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND DEALING REALLY HEAD-ON WITH SOME INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES IN AREAS THAT HAVE NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN REZONED IN HOW WE LOOK AT THAT.

THEN JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE, WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT, WE CAN DO A LAND USE PLAN MODE, IF WE DON'T FOLLOW UP WITH THE REZONING, IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF TEETH.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE LOOK AT HOW WE'RE DOING THIS CITY INITIATED REZONING OR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS OR WHATEVER.

LOOKING AT A CITY INITIATED REZONING THE FOREIGN LAND USE IF WE'RE IDENTIFYING AN AREA IN THIS LAND USE PLAN THAT HAS INCOMPATIBLE ZONING OR HAS NOT BEEN APPROPRIATELY REZONED.

WE NEED TO PURSUE A REZONING AFTER THIS PLAN IS ADOPTED, WHICH WILL BE A SEPARATE PUBLIC PROCESS, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PROGRAM IN. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THEN, WHAT IF SOMETHING CHANGES? THE PLAN CAN BE AMENDED.

I KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T ZONING.

PLANS CAN BE AMENDED, THINGS CHANGE, AND WE CAN BE NIMBLE WITH THAT SO I THINK WE THINK ABOUT IT.

CAN WE DO THAT THROUGH A SMALLER PLAN? TAKING A FURTHER LOOK AT THAT AND THAT LEADS TO AMENDMENTS INTO THE PLAN, THIS ISN'T SET IN STONE SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PLAN AND GO THROUGH AMENDMENTS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE WANT TO HOLD TO IT, BUT WE ARE NOT SET IN STONE.

IT CAN BE AMENDED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WHAT'S NEXT FOR FORWARDDALLAS? NEXT SLIDE.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE REVIEWS.

AS I SAID, WE ARE DOING DEEP DIVES.

WE DO WANT TO SCHEDULE ONE-ON-ONES WITH EACH OF YOU TO GO OVER YOUR DISTRICT AND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FOR THAT DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IT RIGHT.

WE ALSO HAVE QUESTION MARKS FOR SOME OF THE AREAS AND FOR SOME OF THE PLACE TYPES AND WE WANT YOUR INPUT AND YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, WHAT THE CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

AS I SAID, WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW ON THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES AND GETTING THROUGH THOSE.

THIS IS JUST ON THE SCREEN.

IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO SEE, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE SERIES OF MEETINGS SCHEDULED THROUGHOUT MAY AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO BE MEETING UNTIL PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PLAN AND COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF THE ADOPTION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN.

WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.

FIRST, CITY MANAGER, YOU WANT TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM.

I JUST WANT TO SAY TO COUNSEL, AS WE DISCUSSED THIS ABOUT A YEAR INTO THIS SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, THE GUIDANCE, AND THE THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GLEAN FROM YOU TODAY WILL BE IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY AS WE SITUATE TO HAVE SOME TOUGH CONVERSATIONS.

ANDREA, WHO I EQUATE TO THE TIM DUNCAN OF PLANNING [LAUGHTER], IS DOING A GREAT JOB ALONG WITH JULIAN AND THE REST OF HER TEAM SO I'LL JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO HER BEING HERE ALONG WITH JULIAN, THEIR TEAM TO IMPLEMENT THIS PLAN.

I THINK TO HER POINT IS THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE CITY AUTHORIZED ZONING APPROACH TO THIS AND OBVIOUSLY SCALED DOWN AS WE KNOW, THE TIMELINES TO DO THAT.

BUT I THINK THAT'S GOING TO INVOLVE CHANGING THE PROCESS FOR WHICH AND HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THESE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS AND GETTING AWAY FROM HOW WE DO IT, WHICH ELONGATES SOME OF OUR CONVERSATIONS.

WHEN IN FACT, WE SPEND OUR WHEELS A LOT OF TIME WITH THE SAME ARGUMENTS TO END UP IN THE SAME PLACE A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS SO WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A MORE INTEGRATED WAY TO ENGAGE AND REALLY PROFESSIONALIZE OUR PROCESS OF LOOKING AT LAND USE AND ZONING OUTWARDLY TO THE COMMUNITY.

I WANTED TO SAY THAT AND I HAD TO GET MY TIM DUNCAN REFERENCE AND FOR ANDREA, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER AND THANK YOU STAFF OF COURSE, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

WE'RE LINING UP IN THE QUEUE AND I WANT TO MAKE

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SURE COUNCIL MEMBER REALLY COUNCILWOMAN SHOOTS. WHICH ONE WENT IN FIRST?

>> [OVERLAPPING]

>> I SEE THAT, BUT I THOUGHT YOU ALL WERE THERE FIRST.

MAYBE IT'S THE LONG AFTERNOON.

COUNCIL MEMBER CHADWICK.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK THAT THE TIM DUNCAN COMMENT WAS ON POINT.

YOU GUYS, YOU'VE DONE AMAZING WORK SO FAR.

I REMEMBER HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MR. BROADEN ACTS ABOUT A YEAR-AND-A-HALF AGO, ABOUT HOW THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS WAS GOING TO CHANGE AND HOW IT WAS GOING TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT MORE STAFF-DRIVEN.

IT SCARED ME AT THE TIME AND I DID WHAT MY RESIDENTS HAVE DONE AND I'D PUSH BACK ON IT BUT I DO THINK THAT HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN WILL, I DON'T WANT SAY TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF, BUT IT WILL GIVE SUPPORT TO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND BACKUP THAT SO IT'S NOT ALL ON US TO MAKE THE DECISION OF COMPETING INTERESTS.

YOU'RE ALSO TAKING INTO ACCOUNT, I HOPE, ALL THE POLICIES OF THE CITY IN THIS LAND USE PLAN.

MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO BE HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE NIMBY THAT WE'RE INEVITABLY GOING TO FACE AS A COUNCIL AS THIS COMES UP.

I'M GOING TO JUST START THERE.

SLIDE 10 TALKS ABOUT THE IDEAL VISION FOR THE USE OF THE LAND.

WHO IS CRAFTING THE IDEAL VISION AND WHAT DATA ARE WE USING TO CRAFT THE IDEAL VISION?

>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT THROWN AROUND AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS OF WHEN WE SAY COMMUNITY, WHAT THAT MEANS.

I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY EXPANSIVE IDEA OF WHAT COMMUNITY IS.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TAKING ALL STAKEHOLDER INPUT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND MANY OF THEM ARE OF COMPETING INTERESTS.

WE ALSO HAVE TO THINK OF, THIS IS THE BEAUTY OF LOOKING AT THIS FROM A CITY-WIDE PERSPECTIVE AND AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE.

WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THAT NIMBY ISSUE, WE HAD DISCUSSIONS WHEN THERE WAS SOME BRIEFINGS AND SOME OTHER CASES WITH WEST OAK CLIFF WHEN WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT AROUND TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE ASKED POINT-BLANK.

IS EVERYBODY GOING TO GET THE SAME DISCUSSION AND TREATMENT AROUND HOUSING CHOICE IN TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND STATION AREAS? OUR ANSWER WAS YES.

THIS ISN'T JUST WEST OAK CLIFF HAS TO HAVE THIS HERE BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST BUT I THINK WE'RE COMMITTED TO BEING HONEST ABOUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF VIEWPOINTS AND EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THIS PLAN BECAUSE BOTH OF THEM MATTER, BOTH OF THEM COUNT.

SOMETHING GOOD COMES OUT OF OPPOSITION AND SUPPORT OR IT CAN AND ALSO WE KEEP EMPHASIZING AS WELL, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED CITY PLANS OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS.

THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN C CAP TALKS A LOT ABOUT VARYING LAND USES AND ACCOMPLISHING THOSE GOALS.

WE ALSO HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THOSE OTHER CITY VISIONS, THE CITY ADOPTED POLICY THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS NEED TO FACTOR INTO THOSE DECISIONS.

>> THAT'S HELPFUL. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOUR TEAM TOO, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE ROOM LINED WITH THE NIMBY THAT DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING BUT SINGLE-FAMILY.

WHEREAS YOUR COMMUNITY COMMENTS THAT COME IN ON SLIDE 12, IF YOU LOOK AT MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY, HOUSING CHOICE AND QUALITY, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, THOSE ARE YOUR TOP THREE IN TERMS OF SPOT SIZE.

THEY TEND TO LEAD TOWARDS A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY AND WALKABILITY, AS YOU MENTIONED, WHICH PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR AS WELL.

THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP THOUGH IN THE SHIRTS AND ARE SAYING, WE DON'T WANT OUR SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS TO CHANGE.

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I GUESS I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU AS PLANNERS, WHICH YOU'VE DONE SO FAR, BUT JUST KEEP DOING IT TO PUSH US BECAUSE WE CAN THEN BLAME YOU AS WE VOTE TO DO THINGS THAT MAYBE OUR RESIDENTS ARE REALLY PUSHING BACK ON.

IT WILL GIVE US THE COURAGE UP HERE TO HOPEFULLY DO THAT.

[LAUGHTER]

>> CAN I JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT TOO? I THINK PART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO EMPHASIZE IS WE'RE NOT SAYING THIS PLAN NEEDS TO OPEN UP ALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS FOR DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES, WE'RE NOT EVEN PUTTING THAT ON THE TABLE.

THERE ARE OTHER MAJOR CITIES AND NOT SMALLER CITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHO ARE DOING THAT.

THEY'RE SAYING, WE'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, YOU CAN DO AT LEAST UP TO THREE UNITS.

THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING.

THE CORE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE WANT TO ASSURE PEOPLE, WE'RE NOT REALLY TALKING ABOUT TRANSITIONS IN THE CORE.

IT'S THE EDGES, SOME OF THOSE OTHER DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING TYPES.

HAVING DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE WHERE AND TAKING SOME OF THAT FEAR OUT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO SAY, WE'RE OPENING IT UP, DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO.

>> AS WE SAW IN WEST OAKLAND AREA PLAN THOUGH, IT WAS HARD TO EVEN CONVINCE NEIGHBORS TO ALLOW FOR FOUR PLEXUS AND TRIPLEXES.

GENERALLY MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS MORE PROGRESSIVE ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, BUT THEY WERE AGAINST IT UNTIL YOU GUYS WORKED ON THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN, THEY FINALLY CAME AROUND A LITTLE BIT, MOST NEIGHBORHOODS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET AROUND THAT, BUT THAT'S COMING.

IT'S GOT TO GET THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WHICH WE SOMETIMES SEE DECISIONS THAT LOOK LIKE THE 1950S COMING OUT OF THERE, SO YOU'VE GOT SOME HEAVY LIFTING COMING OUR WAY.

WILL THIS PLAN BE RECOMMENDING THINGS LIKE LOT SIZE, RECONSIDERATION FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, ADUS? IS ALL THAT GOING TO BE PART OF THIS?

>> THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF AN AREA OR THE MIX OF USES IN AN AREA, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL BE OUTLINED.

IT WON'T BE DIRECTIVE TO SAY, YOU MUST ALLOW THIS HERE, BUT IT WILL SAY THAT IN THIS PLACE TYPE, THESE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS OR USES MAY BE APPROPRIATE OR ARE APPROPRIATE, SO SMALLER LOTS ADUS.

THEN WE HAVE TO FIND AREAS, WE CAN, IF WE WANT TO GO FURTHER.

WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN THAT SAY THIS AREA IN PARTICULAR IS AN IDEAL CANDIDATE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ZONING IS IN PLACE TO ALLOW THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

>> I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. ON THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PRIORITY LIST THAT IS EXISTING, HOW WILL PASSAGE OF FORWARDDALLAS IMPACT ALL OF THOSE ITEMS IN THE QUEUE?

>> THAT IS A MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT UPDATING THE PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME.

WE MADE A SMALL TWEAK TO IT TO HONOR ANY TYPE OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WERE IN ANY ADOPTED LAND USE PLAN REGARDLESS OF HOW OLD IT WAS, BUT I THINK WE DID A REAL DEEP DIVE ON THE ANALYSIS OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING IN THE PRIORITY PRIORITIZATION LIST AND NOT A LOT OF IT MATCHED UP WITH LAND USE, SO IT SKEWED TOWARD TIFF AREAS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW TO ALIGN OUR AUTHORIZED HEARINGS MOVING FORWARD MORE SO WITH OUR UPDATED ADOPTED POLICIES, INCLUDING THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, THE HOUSING POLICY, THE FORWARDDALLAS LAND USE PLAN, ROOT IT MUCH MORE IN THOSE PLANS AND HOW WE REPRIORITIZE OR IF WE DO REPRIORITIZE, THERE'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

>> IT DOESN'T GIVE ME A LOT OF COMFORT, SEEING AS HOW WE WENT THROUGH THREE YEARS OF THE WEST OAKLAND AREA PLAN FOR MY AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, WHICH ARE NOW AT THE TOP.

>> I WILL SAY ANYTHING IN PLACE AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE HONORED.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE ARE NOT MAKING CHANGES TO THAT.

>> EXCELLENT. THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS MY LAST POINT IS OUTSTANDING.

I KNOW IT'S NOT DOABLE IN EVERY DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT, BUT IT'S AMAZING.

A HUNDRED AND EIGHTY IN-PERSON EVENTS, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT THE CITY, SO CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT. THANK YOU.

>> WE HAVE A VERY DEDICATED TEAM. WE'RE LUCKY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

NOW LET'S GET TO THE QUEUE AND IT IS GETTING CLEARER.

COUNCIL WOMAN SCHULTZ.

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>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SORRY, PAUL.

I'D LIKE TO JUST CONTINUE WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WEST STARTED AND ALSO BEGIN WITH A THANK YOU AS WELL.

THIS IS A MONUMENTAL TASK AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE LAND USE IS CHALLENGING, THAT WE UNDERESTIMATE ITS IMPACT ON OUR DAILY LIFE.

I THINK AS WE ALL REALLY GRASP THIS AND OWN IT, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF THE VOCABULARY OR WHATEVER MAYBE RELATIVELY NEW, WE CANNOT OVERSTATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS.

IN TERMS OF ENGAGEMENT, I HAD TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, I WONDER ALSO WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THE THE CHALLENGE IN OUTREACH HAS TO DO WITH THE PICTURE SO BIG.

WHEN YOU DO HAVE THOSE AREA OR DISTRICT MEETINGS, I THINK YOU'LL PROBABLY QUADRUPLE YOUR INPUT.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THE OTHER THING IS I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAYS OF PLANNING COMMISSION AND THERE WAS A BIG DEBATE WITH STAFF THAT ARE LONG GONE ABOUT NOTICE.

I THINK THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN DALLAS ARE IN RENTAL SITUATIONS.

I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK I'M RIGHT ABOUT IT.

WE HAVE NO FORMAL MECHANISM TO HEAR THEIR VOICE BECAUSE NOTICE ONLY GOES TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

I'M WONDERING HOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN TERMS OF GETTING THOSE VOICES BOTH FOR THIS PLANNING PROCESS, BUT ALSO WHEN WE BEGIN TO DO SOME ZONING CHANGES.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S SO CRITICAL TO MAKE CONNECTIONS WITH ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE ALREADY INTERACTING WITH RESIDENTS AND WHETHER THEY'RE RENTERS ARE PROPERTY OWNERS.

NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, CHURCHES, LIBRARIES, ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT GROUPS AND TRYING TO TAP INTO THEM TO BE OUR CONNECTION TO THOSE DIFFERENT GROUPS.

>> WELL, I'D LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT THIS ISN'T THE MOMENT FOR IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT OUT THERE THAT WE REVISIT THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT NOTICE AND THAT LAND USE CHANGE DISCUSSIONS ALSO INCLUDE RESIDENTS RATHER THAN JUST PROPERTY OWNERS.

IT'S OUR DECISION OF WHO WE SEND NOTICE TO.

I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE, BUT FOR OUR CITY MANAGEMENT, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT PUTTING THAT MONEY INTO THE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE IT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE GAME CHANGER.

THE MAJORITY OF, CERTAINLY IN DISTRICT 11 OF FOLKS WHO LIVE IN MULTI-FAMILY DON'T HAVE A CONNECTION TO ANYTHING THE WAY HOMEOWNERS DO.

THAT'S SOMETHING I'D REALLY LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU ABOUT IS, HOW ARE YOU IN FORWARDDALLAS, BALANCING THE IDENTIFIED NEEDS OF THE CITY WITH THE WANTS OF THE FEEDBACK YOU'RE GETTING, NOT JUST FROM AN NB PERSPECTIVE, BUT LIKE YOU HAD A SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE POPULATION HERE IS GOING TO BE? DENSITY IS NOT AN OPTION HERE BY THE WAY, UNLESS WE SAY THAT ALL NEW SINGLE FAMILY IS GOING TO BE IN PLACES THAT ARE UNDEVELOPED.

HOW DO YOU SEE THAT WORKING?

>> IT'S HARD. THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE RIGHT NOW, WHAT DO THEY WANT? BUT PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EYE ON WITH THIS PLAN TOO BECAUSE IT IS A 10, 20-YEAR PLAN IS, WHO IS MOVING IN AND WHO MAY NEED X THROUGHOUT THE CITY? PART OF IT IS REALLY HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS AND TALKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES AND A LOT OF IT IS TALKING THROUGH THE FEARS THAT PEOPLE HAVE, BUT THE REALITY IS, CHANGE IS INEVITABLE.

BUT IF WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION, I THINK ONE OF THE MAJOR BENEFITS OF FORWARDDALLAS IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT GROWTH.

UP TO THIS POINT, WE'VE BEEN INTENTIONAL IN THE MOMENT, BUT WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY BEEN STRATEGIC ABOUT IT THINKING ABOUT ALL OF THOSE PIECES.

>> I THINK THAT WHAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AGAIN IN GOING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS YOU DO THE DIVES INTO THE DISTRICT WILL BE TO PUT TOGETHER A FACT SHEET OF WHAT THE NEXT 10 YEARS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE, BOTH IN POPULATION AND COMMERCIAL DEMAND, AND OFFICE DEMAND, WHATEVER, SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THE FACTS THAT THEY HAVE TO WORK WITH INSTEAD OF WHAT THEY WANT THE FACTS TO BE.

THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

MY FINAL QUESTION IS, BEFORE WE ADOPT THIS, I THINK THAT THE AMENDMENT PROCESS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO WHAT IT IS THAT WE ADOPT BEFORE WE ADOPT IT.

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I JUST WANTED TO END WITH THAT.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. [NOISE]

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, TRYING TO GET THINGS CLARIFIED AND I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND YOU'VE GIVEN US SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

PARTICULARLY, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS NOTIFICATION BECAUSE IT IS OFTEN A CHALLENGE WHEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT, I THOUGHT I TURNED THIS OFF HERE, WHETHER YOU ARE A RENTER VERSUS AN OWNER AND IT'S HARD WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LONG TERM BECAUSE THAT PERSON MAY BE TRANSIENT, AND SO IT IS SOMETHING, I THINK, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFINITELY ADDRESS.

THAT TAKES US ON TO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEMBER PAUL RIDLEY. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS TASK THAT YOU ARE ENGAGED IN.

I KNOW IT'S A LONG-TERM TASK, BUT I CAN SEE FROM YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU ARE PUTTING A LOT OF THOUGHT AND EFFORT INTO IT.

THIS IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THIS COUNCIL, TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT HOW WE WANT THE CITY TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE.

IT IS A VERY FUTURE-ORIENTED EFFORT AND THE ULTIMATE DOCUMENT WILL BE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN PLANNING, AND SO I'M SO GLAD THAT WE'RE ENGAGING IN THIS PROCESS.

NOW, HOW ARE YOU INCLUDING THE CONCEPT OF FORM-BASED ZONING INTO THIS EFFORT? THAT'S A DIFFERENT PARADIGM REALLY THAN THE LAND-USE-BASED ZONING.

YET, IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS AUTHORIZED THROUGH A SEPARATE ORDINANCE.

IT'S BEEN LITTLE USED IN OUR CITY.

HOW DO YOU SEE THAT PLAYING A ROLE IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?

>> DO YOU MIND EXPLAINING WHAT FORM-BASED ZONING IS?

>> OH, SURE. FORM-BASED ZONING IS, IT'S YOU'VE GOT WHAT'S FORM-BASED ZONING AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR TRADITIONAL ZONING, WHICH IS CALLED EUCLIDEAN ZONING, WHICH IT'S BASICALLY HEAR YOUR SETBACKS, ALL OF THE USES ARE SEPARATED.

IT GOES BACK MANY DECADES.

WHAT FORM-BASED ZONING DOES IS, FORM-BASED ZONING DOESN'T NECESSARILY FOCUS SO MUCH ON THE USE BUT THE FORM OF THE BUILDING, THE PERFORMANCE OF WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE BUILDING, AND ALSO HOW IT RELATES TO THE STREET.

HOW THAT RELATES OR GETTING INTO YOUR QUESTION IS SOME OF THE TENANTS OF FORM-BASED ZONING, I WOULD SAY, ARE WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT URBAN DESIGN AND THE DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES.

SOME OF THAT DOES POINT TO NOT FORM-BASED ZONING PER SE, BUT HOW CERTAIN AREAS ARE BUILT OUT, WHAT THE FORM OF THOSE AREAS LOOK LIKE.

IS THIS AN AREA WHERE YOU DO HAVE REALLY BIG SETBACKS WHERE YOU'RE PREDOMINANTLY DRIVING TO OR IS THIS AN AREA WHERE YOU'VE GOT BUILDINGS THAT ARE MUCH MORE COMPACT, THERE'S MORE WALKABILITY? I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE TENANTS OF A FOCUS ON FORM THROUGH THE URBAN DESIGN THEME THAT WILL BE DESCRIBED IN DIFFERENT PLACE TYPES.

FROM THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S REALLY CRITICAL THAT, ONE OF THE OTHER TASKS THAT WE'RE TAKING ON TOO IS PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN IS LOOKING AT AN UPDATE TO THE ZONING CODE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE THE FORM-BASED DISTRICTS BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO GETTING THEM IMPLEMENTED.

HOW DO WE MAKE THEM EASIER TO USE AND MORE ACCESSIBLE TO MORE DEVELOPMENTS? I THINK THAT AS WE LAY OUT THE LAND USE AND THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS AND ALSO AN URBAN DESIGN FRAMEWORK, IT MAY MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE TO USE THE FORM-BASED ZONING DISTRICTS TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN.

>> YOU DEFINITELY ANTICIPATE ADDRESSING THEM IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN?

>> FORM? YES. MORE SO THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

>> GOOD. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING.

WITH REGARD TO THE PLACE TYPE CONCEPT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT REPRESENTS, BUT I'M CURIOUS HOW YOU WILL PORTRAY THAT ON THE ULTIMATE LAND USE PLAN, HOW WILL YOU COMMUNICATE THE PLACE TYPE THAT YOU WANT IN PARTICULAR AREAS ON A PLAN?

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>> IT LOOKS IN MANY WAYS LIKE A TRADITIONAL FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

IT'S JUST, I WOULD SAY, YOU HAVE BIGGER SWATHS OF THE ONE COLOR THAT ARE DESIGNATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE JUST THE CLUSTERS IN THE DIFFERENT AREAS AND OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE LABELED AND THEN YOU GO TO THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTION TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS.

AS I SAID BEFORE, WE'RE STILL PLAYING WITH, ARE WE ABLE TO? I THINK BRANDON IF YOU WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, HOW IN ONE PLACE TYPE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT CONTEXTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IT MAY BE THE SUBURBAN CONTEXT OR IT MAY BE A MORE URBAN CONTEXT, OR IT MAY BE A SUBURBAN CONTEXT THAT'S EXISTING OR SUBURBAN CONTEXTS THAT MAY NEED REDEVELOPMENT AND HOW THE PLACE TYPE CAN ADDRESS THOSE DIFFERENT CONTEXTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT, BRANDON.

>> YEAH. JUST TO RECALL THAT EXAMPLE THAT WAS SHARED.

WE ARE GOING TO BE BREACHED PLACE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DESCRIPTION THAT SHOWS PRIMARY AND SUPPORTING LAND USES AND HOW THEY MIX GENERIC BLOCK DIAGRAM.

THAT'LL HELP SHOW, HEY, MAYBE ON THE HIGH SIDE MAP OVERALL THIS AREA IS PINK.

BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT AREA, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL AREA, WHAT WE REALLY MEAN AS WELL, WE HAVE LOCAL SERINE COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE SOME MULTIFAMILY BAKED INTO THIS, WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY AS A SUPPORTING USE IN THESE KEY AREAS, SO THE PLACE TYPE DESCRIPTIONS WILL HELP BUILD MORE WEIGHT TO WHAT THAT MAP MEANS.

THE OTHER KEY PIECES WILL BE THE CHARACTER IMAGERY WE'LL HAVE IMAGERY THAT GIVES YOU THE FLAVOR OF THAT PLACE TYPE, WHETHER IT'S A SUBURBAN OR MORE URBAN TYPE CONTEXT.

THEN THE ONLY OTHER PIECE THAT WE HAVEN'T SHARED WITH THIS LARGER GROUP, IS WE ARE WORKING ON 3D VISUALIZATIONS FOR EACH ONE AS WELL, SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REALLY HIGH-QUALITY IMAGERY THAT SHOWS WHAT THIS DISTRICT LOOKS LIKE WITHIN A 3D MODEL.

AGAIN, TO GIVE A SENSE OF THAT BUILT FORM AND DESIRED PLACE FOR THAT PLACE TYPE.

THAT'S THE ONE GRAPHIC PIECE THAT'S STILL BEING FLUSHED OUT, BUT THAT ALSO COMPLEMENT THE TEXT IN THOSE DIAGRAMS.

>> I'M NOT GETTING A REAL CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE ON THE PAGE BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT. AM I RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> DO ANTICIPATE LARGE-SCALE REZONINGS AS A RESULT OF THIS EFFORT TO ADDRESS INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS INDUSTRIAL ADJACENCIES OR IS IT TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD FOR YOU TO HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT POTENTIAL?

>> NO. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED IDENTIFYING THE POTENTIAL FOR REZONINGS.

I WILL SAY THIS THAT THERE ARE ALREADY SOME ON THE BOOKS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO AND I THINK THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS, WE'RE GETTING AN UPDATED LOOK AT THOSE FUTURE LAND USES THAT HOPEFULLY WILL MAKE A RE-ZONING A SMOOTHER PROCESS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE THAT UPDATED LAND-USE GUIDANCE.

>> FOR THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE AUTHORIZED HEARING LIST, HOW WILL YOU ADDRESS THOSE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE WE KNOW THEY ARE IN FLUX?

>> THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE KNOW THAT MAY NEED A DEEPER DIVE.

I WOULD SAY THAT, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THE AREAS WE CAN ADDRESS THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS.

WE CAN GET ENOUGH GUIDANCE THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS WHERE WE'RE WORKING OUT THOSE LAND USE ISSUES.

WE'VE GOT AREAS WHERE THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES BUT WHAT WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY DETERMINED OR HAD THE DISCUSSIONS FOR TODAY IS, IS THERE A DIVIDING LINE, ARE WE SURE THIS AREA IS ACTUALLY TRANSITIONING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, ARE WE BLENDING THEM TOGETHER? THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING IN THE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES TO ONCE AND FOR ALL, HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH A LARGER GROUP ABOUT, HOW DO WE SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD.

I THINK THAT THAT WILL HELP US.

I WILL SAY, I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE HONESTLY WILL JUST NEED PROBABLY A DEEPER DIVE PLAN.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN TO REALLY BE ABLE TO GET AT SOME OF THE ISSUES BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD.

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THE SCALE OF THE RE-ZONING IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE LARGER IN MORE DETAILS THAN WHAT WE CAN GET IN THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS.

>> HOW WILL YOU ADDRESS THE OBVIOUS OVERLAP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND PLANNING EFFORT THAT YOU'RE ENGAGED WITH AND THE AUTHORIZED HEARING PROCESS FOR THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS THAT ARE ON THE LIST? IN OTHER WORDS, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME DUPLICATION OF EFFORT THERE.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO BE AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE.

THE BENEFIT NOW IS WE'RE ALL ONE DEPARTMENT THAT'S DOING THIS.

THE SAME DEPARTMENT THAT'S DOING THE LAND USE IN FORWARDDALLAS AND FOR SOME OF THE AREA'S AREA PLANS, WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF AREA PLANS GOING ON.

WE STARTED SOME AUTHORIZED HEARING IN SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE THE INCONSISTENTLY LAND USES, WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONVERSATIONS ARE ALIGNING AND MAYBE SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME STAKEHOLDER GROUP, EITHER FOR THE LAND USE OR FOR THE ZONING, THAT WE CAN SPEED UP THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT AND ACCOMPLISH EVERYONE'S GOALS SOONER THAN LATER.

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK IS, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT YOUR EFFORTS IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING WILL SPEED UP THE EFFORT ON THOSE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS?

>> THAT IS WHAT WE'RE HOPING.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

COUNCIL WOMAN BLACKMON.

>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS A REALLY NICE PRESENTATION.

I FELT LIKE I WAS IN A CLASS, SO THANK YOU.

IT WAS REALLY THOROUGH.

ON THAT BIG GRAPH WHERE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW AS THEIR IDEAL AND IT WAS MOBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY.

BUT WE'RE IN A CITY THAT'S BUILT AROUND A CAR, HOW ARE WE GOING TO UNDO THAT? I'VE GOT ALL THESE TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS THAT ARE BEING STUDIED AND THEN WE HAVE STATE HIGHWAYS.

HOW IS THIS BALANCE ALL GOING TO HAPPEN TO A DEGREE WHERE IN 10 YEARS WE'RE SEEING SOME MOVEMENT OR SOME SUCCESS?

>> I'M HAPPY FOR ANYONE TO JUMP IN, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS INCREMENTALLY.

THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT WE GET EXCITED TO TRY TO SOLVE THROUGH THIS.

BUT SO PART OF IT IS MANAGING EXPECTATIONS AND ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO INCREMENTALLY.

I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS, YOU MENTIONED CORRIDORS, I THINK WE CAN STRATEGICALLY FOCUS ON SOME AREAS THAT MAY BE MORE RIPE FOR REDEVELOPMENT THAN OTHERS AND THERE MAY BE LESS RESISTANCE SO THAT ONCE YOU CAN SEE THE PATTERN OF WHAT HOUSE, THOSE AREAS CAN DEVELOP.

THEN IT CAN TRANSITION WELL.

IT CAN BLEND IN AND IT CAN WORK FROM MOVING THE DIAL A LITTLE BIT ON THE TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT OR LESS RELIANCE ON VEHICLES.

I THINK THAT'S KEY TO FOCUS IN ON SOME OF THOSE VERY STRATEGIC AREAS.

THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IS HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDER GROUPS IS GETTING SOME AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT THESE FOCUS AREAS ARE OR THE STRATEGIC KEY AREAS THAT WE SHOULD FOCUS ON.

PRACTICALLY IN SIMPLY IN SOME OF THE AREAS, PART OF THE REASON WHY WE DON'T GET THAT MORE TRANSIT FOCUSED DEVELOPMENT IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ZONING THAT ALLOWS IT.

WE DO HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WE HAVE TO REMOVE THAT BARRIER TO GETTING SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

>> THEY DON'T WANT TO COME THROUGH THE PROCESS TO CHANGE IT. [OVERLAPPING]

>> EXACTLY.

>> WE'VE ALL LIVED THROUGH SOME OF THOSE.

>> IF WE CAN DO IT THROUGH A CITY INITIATED LAND USE PLAN, A CITY INITIATED REZONING THAT LOOKS AT THINGS COMPREHENSIVELY AND STRATEGICALLY AND MORE HOLISTICALLY, IT MAY BE EASIER TO DIGEST.

>> IF THERE'S ALREADY A PLAN THERE THAT EXISTS AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH GARLAND ROAD VISION.

WHEN THERE'S BEEN LOTS OF DISCUSSION, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF ZONING CASES.

IT'S CHANGING.

WE COULD POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT OFFLINE BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT A PLAN.

HOW DO WE UPDATE IT? BECAUSE IT WAS 20 YEARS AGO.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT MODERNIZED, I THINK IS A BETTER TERM.

WITH THIS BE THAT PROCESS?

>> IT COULD BE. I THINK THAT'S ONE OF OUR IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT WE'RE ALSO TAKING A LOOK AT.

AGAIN, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE ISSUES.

WE ARE A PART OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AS WELL IS DOING A COMPLETE TALLYING OF ALL THE PLANS THAT ARE OUT THERE BECAUSE IN 2006,

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NORMALLY, WHEN YOU ADOPT A LARGE AREA PLAN, IT SUPERSEDES ALL OF THEIR PLANS TO 2006 FORWARDDALLAS DIDN'T DO THAT.

>> I WAS ON THAT IT'S CONSULTANT TEAM.

WE INCORPORATED A LOT [OVERLAPPING].

>> I BROUGHT EVERYBODY [LAUGHTER].

IT WAS EASIER TO DO THAT.

>> WITH MULTIPLE AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHICH PLAN IS ACTUALLY HAS THE AUTHORITY.

WE HAVE CATALOGED ALL OF THE PLANS, THE SPREADSHEETS THAT STAFF HAS ARE INTENSE AND CATALOGING ALL THE PLANS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IS THE PLANT WHEN WAS IT ADOPTED? IS IT STILL RELATIVELY UP-TO-DATE? THEREFORE, IT CAN GET INCORPORATED INTO FORWARDDALLAS OR FORWARDDALLAS.

IF NOT, IF IT'S OUT-OF-DATE CHANGING CONDITIONS, THERE HAVE BEEN A TON OF ZONING CASES THAT CLEARLY INDICATE THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING ON IN THIS AREA, OR WE JUST KNOW THAT IT'S TRANSITIONED.

THEN FORWARDDALLAS CAN SUPERSEDE THOSE AREAS AND BE THE UPDATE.

OR THE THIRD OPTION IS THAT REALISTICALLY THERE MAY BE CERTAIN AREAS THAT AFTER FORWARDDALLAS IS ADOPTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK AT TO DO A DEEPER DIVE, EITHER A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN OR A CORRIDOR PLAN.

BECAUSE THE ISSUES ARE EXTENSIVE, THE CHANGE WILL BE EXTENSIVE AND IT'S MORE THAN WE CAN GET TO IN A CITYWIDE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU CAN HAVE THINGS THAT ARE NONCONFORMING AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THOSE [OVERLAPPING]

>> UPON REZONING?

>> YES, UPON REZONING.

>> IT'S POSSIBLE.

>> HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT OR IS THAT THE NEXT PHASE? HOW DO WE ADDRESS [OVERLAPPING]

>> EXACTLY, THAT'LL BE THE NEXT PHASE.

THAT'LL BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE DEAL WITH NONCONFORMING USES AS WE UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

EITHER, HOW THAT'S HANDLED.

OR THROUGH THE CITY INITIATED REZONING.

BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF LARGE PART OF THE DISCUSSION THROUGH THAT SECOND PROCESS OF THE ZONING.

>> I'M LOOKING AT MY SCRIBBLES HERE.

YOU TALKED THAT YOU'VE REALLY INTENTIONALLY LOOKED IN CERTAIN AREAS AND WENT OUT TO THOSE AREAS AND GOT THEIR FEEDBACK.

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT BECAUSE I NOTICED IT WAS REALLY HEAVY IN THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN HELP YOU DO TO GET GET MORE ROBUST IN ANY PLACE BECAUSE I DO THINK, AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE COMMENTS YOU GET BOTH FOR AND AGAINST ARE GOING TO HELP SHAPE THIS.

IN SOME SITUATIONS PEOPLE JUST WANT TO BE HEARD. I RAN THEM.

THERE'S LIKE DO WE WANT TO I WANT TO SAY LEAVE OUT FOLKS, BUT MAYBE INCLUDE THEM IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

>> I THINK SO. I THINK IT'S VALUABLE TO THE PROCESS.

I THINK SOMETIMES WE'LL HEAR SOMETHING LIKE NO, THAT'S JUST TO GET, BUT WHEN YOU START, WHEN YOU TEASE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT AND THAT MADE THE PLANE BETTER.

I THINK HOW Y'ALL CAN HELP.

I THINK WE'RE IN, I FEEL BETTER FROM AN ENGAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE NOW THAT WE HAVE A DRAFT PLAN OUT, IT WAS HARD BEFORE TO TALK IN THESE LIKE NEBULOUS SEXUAL WHAT DO YOU SEE IN YOUR AREA? THEN JUST TALKING ABOUT LAND USE.

BUT NOW THAT A MAP IS OUT, I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL WHEN WE SET UP OUR ONE-ON-ONES IS TO REALLY TALK ABOUT WE'RE IDENTIFYING AREAS.

I WANT TO ASSURE PEOPLE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE CITY REALLY IS NOT GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED FOR A CHANGE.

IT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE NEXT 10-20 YEARS.

BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS IN.

THOSE AREAS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS IN THAT WE KNOW NEED SOME CHANGE.

THAT IS WHERE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE COMING MONTHS, WE'RE REALLY EMPHASIZING THE ENGAGEMENT.

WORKING WITH YOU-ALL TO FIND OUT WHO ARE THE NECESSARY PEOPLE THAT NEED TO COME TO THE TABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> BACK TO HOUSING TYPES BETWEEN DUPLEXES, CLODS, ADUS, ALL OF IN-BETWEEN.

I GUESS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS? BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THOSE WERE THE WAY TO GO.

IF YOU LOOK AT CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR CITY, OAKLAND, I MEAN, THEY HAD A 16 PLAQUES AND IT WAS TWO-STORY.

IT FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO? BECAUSE CITIES ARE DYNAMIC AND IF YOU'RE NOT EVOLVING AND CHANGING, THEN YOU ARE DYING AND DECAYING.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET PEOPLE COMFORTABLE WITH, THAT'S HOW A CITY PROGRESSES.

>> I THINK THOSE ARE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE ARE ACTUALLY CONVERSATIONS AND

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MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WHERE PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH.

THEY WANT TO ACTUALLY SEE MORE. IT'S NOT ALL.

NO CHANGE.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THOSE PEOPLE OUT TOO.

WE'VE BEEN TELLING THEM THAT LIKE, WELL, IF YOU THINK SO, THEN YOU NEED TO COME OUT.

BUT I THINK A LOT OF IT IS THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO PUT IN SOME MORE DEDICATED TIME.

BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN A LOT OF WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF THINGS OUT OF SCALE FOR A LOT OF NEW.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TALKING WITH HOUSING ABOUT REALLY WORKING WITH DESIGNS AND GRAPHICS AND VISUALS OF WHAT WE SAY WHEN WE'RE TALKING CONTEXT APPROPRIATE.

TRIPLEX, WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THE SCALE MEANS, AND THEN WE NEED TO ACTUALLY BACK IT UP WITH AN APPROPRIATE ZONING CATEGORY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

PEOPLE GET REALLY SCARED BECAUSE IF YOU MAYBE THEY'RE OKAY WITH A TRIPLEX, BUT THE ZONING THAT YOU NEED IS A MULTI-FAMILY ZONE THAT FREAKS PEOPLE OUT.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NO ASSURANCES THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET THE TRIPLEX AND SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT GOING TO TURN AROUND AND DO THE APARTMENT.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TOOL IS IN PLACE AS WELL.

IN THAT GOING BACK TO THE FORM THAT PROVIDES THE FORM PARAMETERS TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THAT FEAR.

>> MY FINAL COMMENT AND QUESTION IS, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DYNAMIC DOCUMENT.

>> YES.

>> IS THAT WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT AMENDING THE MAP OR WE'RE GOING TO REVISIT IT EVERY 23 YEARS.

I MEAN, HOW DOES IT STAY FRESH? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK FORWARDDALLAS THAT WE TRIED TO DO FOREIGN-BASED DID NOT WORK.

I THINK IT JUST SAT THERE FOR AWHILE.

WHAT IS IT WILL THERE'LL BE A PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KEEPING UP WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR CITY OR THE WANTS OF OUR NEW CUSTOMERS, IF YOU WILL, OR EXISTING CUSTOMERS?

>> YES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PATRICK AND HIS TEAM, WE'VE BEEN ESTABLISHING A CORE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING TEAM.

WE CALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING. IT COULD BE AREA PLANNING, IT COULD BE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT THE LONG-RANGE LAND-USE GROUP THAT THE REALITY IS ACTUALLY WORKING THROUGH ORDINANCE LANGUAGE TO GET SOME OF THESE THINGS ESTABLISH IN THE CODE.

BECAUSE THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH ABOUT PLANS IN OUR CODE.

AND MOST JURISDICTIONS HAVE AT LEAST, THIS IS HOW YOU ADOPT PLANS.

THIS IS HOW YOU AMEND THEM.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF PLANS THAT YOU HAVE AND THIS IS THE REVIEW SCHEDULE FOR THOSE PLANS.

WHETHER IT'S EVERY FIVE YEARS, EVERY 10 YEARS, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO UPDATE IT EVERY FIVE YEARS, BUT IT MEANS THAT YOU WENT THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT AN UPDATE WAS WARRANTED, YOU HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT I THINK THAT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS WE NEED TO COME BACK AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS.

HAVE WE JUST HAD CRAZY AMOUNT OF ZONING CASES IN ONE AREA AND MAYBE WE DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT OR MAYBE THE AREA IS CHANGING SO RAPIDLY WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

I THINK PART OF IT IS ACTUALLY GETTING THAT PROCESS IN CODIFIED SO THAT IT IS MORE STANDARD PRACTICE AND WE DON'T START FROM SCRATCH EVERY SINGLE TIME.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, MS. ARNOLD.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL WOMAN, I THINK YOU HAD MADE FIVE MORE SECONDS.

DID YOU WANT TO ADD ON WE WATCHED IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

NO PROBLEM. COUNCIL MEMBER TENNELL ATKINS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE LOOK AT FORWARDDALLAS IN 2006.

WE ALSO REVISIT IN 2016.

NOW REVISIT THAT IN 2023. WHAT IS IT DIFFERENT?

>> I WOULD SAY WE'RE WE'RE COMMITTED TO ADOPTING FUTURE LAND USE SO THAT IT GIVES IT A LITTLE EXTRA NUDGE INTO IT, GIVING IT A LITTLE EXTRA TEETH WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT OUR FUTURE REZONINGS, WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY DONE THAT.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT ONE OF THE CRITIQUES THAT WE'VE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN IS EVEN WHEN WE DID PLANS, EVEN WHEN WE UPDATED PLANS.

I MEAN, WE DID INCLUDE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTERS IN SOME OF THEM, BUT WE DIDN'T ACT UPON THE IMPLEMENTATION, SO WE NEED TO HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN IS DIFFERENT AND THAT IT DOES HAVE A MANAGEABLE SET OF ACTION STEPS THAT ARE NEEDED TO IMPLEMENT

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THIS PLAN AND IT FEELS AS THOUGH THE PAST PLANS HAVE HAD A REALLY LONG WISHLIST OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AND IT COVERED THE WHOLE GAMUT.

WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY NARROW IN ON SOME VERY MEASURABLE AND ACHIEVABLE ACTION STEPS.

>> OKAY, BY DOING THAT, YOU LOOK FORWARDDALLAS, AND YOU GOT 14 DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

YOU CUT THE PIE FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS, NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST.

YOU GOT ALL THE DIFFERENT PDS AND ARE YOU LOOKING AT IT HOLISTICALLY AS A WHOLE CITY OR ARE YOU TRYING TO PIECEMEAL IT?

>> WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY AS A WHOLE CITY.

I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE KEY BENEFITS OF THIS PLAN IS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT WHEN WE DO NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS REALLY GOOD.

WHEN YOU HAVE A CITYWIDE FOUNDATION, YOU HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT POLICIES WHEN YOU ZERO IN ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT BASELINE GUIDANCE, IT CAN BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

BUT WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AND YOU'RE FOCUSING IN SO NARROWLY ON A PARTICULAR AREA, YOU CAN FORGET ABOUT HOW IT IMPACTS OR IS CONNECTED TO THOSE OTHER ISSUES GOING ON IN THE CITY, INFRASTRUCTURE OR LAND USE OR DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

I THINK THAT THIS IS IT'S A BENEFIT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE CITY-WIDE AND THINK ABOUT JUST THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE DIFFERENT USES WHERE CERTAIN THINGS ARE AT FROM A CITY-WIDE PERSPECTIVE, DO WE NEED TO SHIFT? DO WE NOT NEED TO SHIFT?

>> IN THIS PLANE, WHAT ABOUT THE RIGHT OF THE RESIDENT IN A RIGHT WITH ZONING? ZONING BY RIGHT.

IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, YOU GET ZONING BY RIGHT.

YOU CAN DO TO ZONE ABOUT RIGHT BUT ENABLING SAY THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST ZONING FOR THE COMMUNITY SO IT IF YOU'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THIS NOW BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ESPECIALLY IN DISTRICT 8, WE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF ZONING BY RIGHT AND ZONING BY RIGHT IS RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU DON'T PUT A WHITE HOUSE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THE ZONING IS THERE, BUT THE RESIDENT DON'T WANT THE ZONING THERE.

DO WE PUT THEM ON A TURRET ON THERE, HOW DO FORWARDDALLAS IMPLEMENT THIS? WHAT DO YOU DO?

>> YES, FIRST STEP IS TO GET THE FUTURE LAND USE GUIDANCE, AND THEN FOLLOW THAT UP WITH THE REZONINGS.

THERE ARE AREAS IN DISTRICT 8 THAT HAVE THOSE INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES THAT HAVE NOT HAD THE RE-ZONING THAT THEY'VE NEEDED FOR MANY YEARS AND SO FORWARDDALLAS WON'T IN AND OF ITSELF REZONE ANY PROPERTIES, BUT IT CAN IDENTIFY AREAS WITHIN THE PLAN THAT NEED A FOLLOW-UP REZONING IN ORDER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN.

WE HAVE TO GET FORWARDDALLAS IN PLACE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THERE'S A LOT OF AREA AND DISTRICT 8 THAT DOESN'T HAVE LAND-USE GUIDANCE. ALL RIGHT.

AND SO WHEN WE TRY TO GO OUT AND DO A REZONING, AS YOU SAW THROUGH WEST OAK CLIFF AREA PLAN, WHEN YOU'VE GOT A LARGE PLAN, IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO SIMULTANEOUSLY DO A PLAN, THEN COME BACK AND DO REZONING SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS WE CAN GET THAT FOUNDATION OF THE LAND USE TO THEN BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH A REZONING FOR THOSE AREAS.

>> BUT TRYING TO GET A FOUNDATION, YOU LOOK AT A TIME AND A PROCESS.

IN THE MEANTIME, THE ZONING MAY BE THE WRONG ZONING.

CAN YOU PULL A MONITORIAL ON THIS WHILE WE'RE DOING A FORWARDDALLAS? DO WE COME UP WITH A PLAN? DO YOU CAME BACK AND SAID, WE DO A MONITORING SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND PROCEDURE ONCE WE GET FORWARDDALLAS COMPLETE?

>> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO YOU ALL FOR THAT GUIDANCE OF HELPING US WITH HOW WE PRIORITIZE THESE AREAS.

WE'VE GOT THE DRIVING PRINCIPLE THEMES WE'RE GOING TO BE IDENTIFYING THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS AREAS THAT WE THINK THAT DO NEED A FOLLOW-UP REZONING BASED ON LAND USE RECOMMENDATIONS.

BUT I THINK IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO THIS BODY TO GIVE US THAT GUIDANCE IN THAT DIRECTION OF WHERE WE START.

ONCE FORWARDDALLAS, SO WE GET FORWARDDALLAS ADOPTED, WHERE DO WE START THEN? BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A LIST, WE'LL BE COMING WITH THE LIST OF AREAS THAT WE KNOW THAT NEEDED TO BE REZONED.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED YOUR HELP TO PRIORITIZE THAT.

>> SO WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TRYING TO GET FORWARDDALLAS TO US TO MAKE THIS A POLICY?

>> FOR FORWARDDALLAS?

>> YEAH WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE?

[04:35:02]

>> IT'S AGGRESSIVE RIGHT NOW AND IT WILL DEPEND ON EVERYONE'S COMFORT LEVEL WITH THE PLAN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THROUGH CITY PLAN COMMISSION [INAUDIBLE] TO IDEALLY GET CITY COUNCIL A CPC-RECOMMENDED PLAN EITHER BY THE END OF THE YEAR OR THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR.

>> OKAY, SO YOU STATED THAT IT TAKES TOO LONG TO DO THESE RESIDENTIAL PLANS SO YOU GOT TO DO HOLISTIC, A CITYWIDE PLAN.

BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU GOT SOME PART OF CITY IS REALLY OLD PART OF THE CITY SOME IS NEW, SOME IS RURAL AND SOME ARE DIFFERENT AND I'M TRYING TO COMPREHEND, CAN YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT WITHOUT LEAVING THE [INAUDIBLE] PART OF THE CITY HAVE NOT MATURED IN WHEN YOU DO A COMPLETE CITYWIDE PLAN.

>> WELL, LIKE I SAID MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THE CITY WHERE WE'RE GOING TO SEE NO CHANGE FROM THE LAND-USE PERSPECTIVE, WE WON'T SEE CHANGE AND THE ZONING IS IN PLACE.

THERE'S A VAST MAJORITY OF THE CITY WHERE THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE NEED FOR A CITY-INITIATED REZONING, THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS MOST IN NEED FOR THAT FOLLOW-UP CITY-INITIATED REZONING.

>> I'M TRYING TO REVISIT DISTRICT 1.

WITH MY DENSITY COMPACT AND I REMEMBER BACK IN 2006 WE'VE GOT SEVEN MORE DENSITY CAME IN THERE BUT IT WAS ALREADY DENSE ANYWAY.

I MEAN, IT WAS NOT SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY DENSE BECAUSE OF THE COMPACTER.

THEN I TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT THE OTHER PART OF THE CITY TO GET ALL THE WRONG LANE.

LIKE MR. BLACKBURN SAID, YOU NEED A TRANSPORTATION, YOU GOT TRANSPORTATION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

YOU TRY TO SEE THE WHY AND SOME PART THEY'LL SAY YOU DO GET TRANSPORTATION, BUT YOU STILL HAD ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND STILL NEEDED TO GET THAT DONE AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE DECADES TO DO THAT SO I'M STILL SEEING AND YOU TRY TO WRITE THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AND IN THE RANKING ORDER HOW YOU MOVE THOSE UP SO IT'S STILL TRYING TO BAKE A CAKE WITHOUT FLOUR.

>> YEAH AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A STRUGGLE FOR A WHILE.

LISTEN, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT HAVE NEEDED REZONING FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD INCONSISTENT ZONING AND LAND USE AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THROUGH THIS IS REALLY TO TRY TO BE AS STRATEGIC AS WE CAN AND REALLY FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS IN MOST NEED AND SOME OF THOSE AREAS IN YOUR DISTRICT, HONESTLY, I THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO NEED AN ADDITIONAL EITHER NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN OR CHORD OR A PLAN TO REALLY GET AT SOME OF THE ISSUES.

WORK WITH RESONANCE IN AREAS WHERE YOU DO HAVE VAST SWATHS OF LAND, YOU DON'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT.

THOSE MAY BE THOSE AREAS WHERE PATRICK'S GROUP MAY BE FOCUSING ON THE NEXT AREA PLAN OR CORRIDOR PLAN BECAUSE WE DO NEED A DEEPER DIVE INTO THAT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, THERE'S ALSO AT LEAST THE BASELINE COVERAGE THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS SO WHEN ZONING CASES COME IN, YOU HAVE THAT LAND-USE GUIDANCE.

>> THAT SAYING THAT AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT ON THE SAME TOKEN, WHEN YOU HAVE SO VAST VACANT PROPERTY.

YOU DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A BASIC GROCERY STORE, THE BASE BARBERSHOP, BASE OF PHARMACIES ALL OVER THE WHOLE AREA, IN SPOTS CUMULATIVE THERE.

YOU TRY TO DO THE PLAN AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU HAD THE DENSITY THERE TO DO A PLAN?

>> YEAH. I MEAN, AND I'VE WORKED ON THOSE PLANS BEFORE AND THAT'S WHEN YOU START TO TAKE IN DIFFERENT CONSIDERATIONS AND THE FIRST QUESTION IS, SHOULD THERE BE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT LOCATION OR SHOULD THAT BE AN AREA OF WHERE YOU'RE PRESERVING THAT LAND FOR WHATEVER REASON? I THINK IT'S A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.

I THINK A LOT OF IT WE CAN ADDRESS THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY NEED SOME MORE DETAILED PLANS THAT FOLLOW UP AFTER FORWARDDALLAS.

>> I THINK YOU MADE A STATEMENT EARLIER TALKING ABOUT SINGLE HOUSES FOR US, AND LOTS OF FAMILY HOUSES SO YOU THINK THAT WE NEED MORE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING THAN SINGLE HOUSES?

>> I'M SORRY.

>> SINGLE RESIDENTS.

>> I THINK WE NEED A MIX OF IT ALL, HONESTLY.

I THINK THE CITY NEEDS A MIX OF IT ALL.

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IT CAN'T BE JUST ONE TYPE.

>> IF YOU LOOK IN A CRYSTAL BALL AND YOU TRYING TO MAKE SURE DALLAS IS A WHOLE LIST OF CITY, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD A PLAN.

BUT YOU STILL GET ALL THE LITTLE SMALL PLAN, EITHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO GET IT DONE.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FOCUS, MORE FOCUS ON A CITY AND FORGET ABOUT A RESIDENT?

>> I THINK WE DO BOTH SIMULTANEOUSLY.

I MEAN, THAT IS THE KEY OF REALLY MAKING SURE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS ON THE GROUND REALLY AT ALL TIMES AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS, I THINK WE NEED TO BUILD STRONGER RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS SO THAT WE CAN BE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS OF WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT I THINK AGAIN, HAVING THAT CITYWIDE GUIDANCE AND THEN FOLLOWING UP BECAUSE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, IDEALLY IT SEAMLESSLY FITS INTO FORWARDDALLAS.

IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE AMEND FORWARDDALLAS BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN HAD A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PLAN.

THAT'S ALL POSSIBLE. WE JUST MAKE THEM BOTH WORK TOGETHER.

>> THE RESIDENT WHO HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN 15, 20 YEARS AGO, YOU PUTTING THOSE PLANS ON THE SHELL, ARE YOU REVAMPING THAT?

>> THAT'S PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE DOING FOR ALL OF THE ADOPTED PLANS.

THAT ONE'S FROM 10 15, 20 YEARS AGO WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THOSE TO SEE IF IT STILL FITS IN WITH THE FUTURE VISION FOR THE AREA BECAUSE SOME OF THE AREAS ARE BUILT OUT VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY WERE 20, 25 YEARS AGO.

SOME OF THEM NOT SO MUCH.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF DOING THE ANALYSIS ON THE PLAN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT FORWARDDALLAS SUPERSEDES IT OR WHETHER THOSE PLANS ARE STILL VALID PLANS OR STILL WORKABLE PLANS.

>> IN THE CRITERIA THAT THE PLANS ARE RANKING OUT OF, WOULD THAT CHANGE ANYTIME SOON, WILL THEY STAY IN THE SAME RANKING ON?

>> YOU MEAN FOR THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS?

>> AUTHORIZED HEARING, YES.

>> WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET.

WE DO NEED TO GO THROUGH AND REVIEW THAT PROCESS, BUT I THINK IT'S A PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO COME TO TOGETHER AND FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH COMING TO TOGETHER.

>> WELL, I THINK THAT WE GOT RESIDENT [INAUDIBLE] RILEY HAS BEEN WAITING FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

WHEN DO YOU MAKE THAT DECISION IN THE MEANTIME, THEY ALL ON THE BENCH WAITING. WHEN IS THAT?

>> I AGREE AND I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS, AND THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE RANKING FOR THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.

>> WELL, THAT'S ONE THING. I HOPE WE CAN COME TO SOME TYPE OF OCCLUSION ON AUTHORIZED HEARING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER ATKINS AND I HAVE TO STOP YOU FOR JUST A MOMENT.

I BELIEVE THE PERSON THAT CAN HELP YOU ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF HOW YOU COOK A CAKE WITHOUT FLOUR MIGHT BE OUR LUSTROUS, COUNCILMEMBER CHEF, COUNCILMEMBER [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I CAN DO THAT.

IT'LL BE RICH THOUGH. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I'M REALLY EXCITED FOR THIS.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPACTFUL FOR DISTRICT SEVEN AND I'M EXCITED AND THANKFUL FOR ALL OF YOU ALL'S WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR WITH SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK AREA PLAN AND ALSO IN JOPPY.

JOPPY IS A BIGGEST PRIORITY, IF YOU WILL, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT AND SO I WANT TO ASK, AS FAR AS PRUDENT PLANNING GOES AND SEEING WHERE A LOT OF NONCONFORMING USES AND HOW LITIGIOUS IT CAN BE, HOW ARE WE PLANNING AHEAD OF WHAT WILL INEVITABLY BE CONTENTIOUS IN THE FUTURE OF DEEMING BUSINESSES, FOR INSTANCE, OR INDUSTRY THAT HAVE BEEN IN FOR A LONG TIME AS NON-CONFORMING OVER TIME.

>> THAT WON'T NECESSARILY BE ADDRESSED THROUGH WELL, I SHOULD SAY THAT WON'T BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE LAND USE PLAN, THROUGH FORWARDDALLAS.

THAT IS THE FOLLOW-UP REZONING.

>> REZONING. YEAH.

>> BUT FORWARDDALLAS CAN SET THE STAGE AND WE'RE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLANNING COMMITTEE GROUP IN OUR MEETINGS, I THINK WE'VE ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY TALKED ABOUT INDUSTRIAL USES AND HOW WE'RE HANDLING THE INCOMPATIBILITIES THAT WE SEE TODAY, AND THEN ALSO JUST STRATEGICALLY WHERE THOSE USES FIT WITHIN THE CITY.

WHEN WE GO OUT WHEN WE TALK WITH YOU-ALL ONE-ON-ONE, I THINK THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WELL IT'S NOT EVEN ONE-ON-ONE,

[04:45:02]

I THINK IT'S A CITY QUESTION AS WELL IS THERE ARE SOME WHO SAY THEY SHOULD ALL JUST GO OUT OF THE CITY, THE INDUSTRIAL USES AND WE SHOULD JUST MOVE OUT OF THAT.

BUT THAT IS EMPLOYMENT.

THEY DO NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE.

PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS BEING STRATEGIC ABOUT THE WHERE AND THEN HAVING THE LAND USE PLAN IDENTIFY THE WHERE.

IN THE FUTURE, IF THERE IS ENDS UP BEING A NON-CONFORMING USE.

AS WE KNOW, A NON-CONFORMING USE, AS LONG AS THEY'RE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING, CAN CONTINUE TO FUNCTION OR CAN CONTINUE TO STAY OPEN.

BUT IF THINGS CHANGE OVER TIME, WE'RE SAYING THAT NO NEW INDUSTRIAL CAN GO HERE, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE NOW THE CITY HAS SAID OUR LAND USE POLICY IS THAT IT'S OVER HERE.

HOPEFULLY, WE'RE GOING TO OVERTIME TRY TO TEASE SOME OF THAT OUT BUT IT IS A CHALLENGE.

IF WE WANTED TO HANDLE IT MORE IN THE IMMEDIATE THOSE ARE PROBABLY OTHER TOOLS THAT NEED TO BE UTILIZED IN THE SHORTER TERM TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

>> IS THERE WHENEVER WE ARE LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT WHERE IT DOES BELONG VERSUS WHERE WE ARE HOPING THAT IT WILL NO LONGER? ARE WE COUPLING EFFORTS WITH ANY TYPE OF LAND ACQUISITION, EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO HELP RELOCATION ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THEM THAT ARE WILLING? BECAUSE NOT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT ALREADY IN PLACE, IF WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED WHERE THEY CAN EXIST, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE PUSHING THEM OUT OF OUR CITY AND THAT IS JOBS INDUSTRY.

>> YEAH, AND I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK THAT THAT IS A GOOD IDEA FOR AN IMPLEMENTATION RECOMMENDATION.

ONCE WE GET THE MAP LAID OUT AS TO THE WHERE THEN WE'RE GOING TO KNOW WHERE THOSE CHANGE AREAS ARE AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN FROM A FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING PERSPECTIVE.

IF WE NEED TO HAVE THEM, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT ACQUISITIONS SO THAT A CERTAIN BUSINESS OR BUSINESSES CAN BE DIRECTED TO X AREA, I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION TO COME ONTO THE PLAN THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.

IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THE INCOMPATIBILITIES HERE IN X AREA, THEN THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO REALLY ADDRESS THAT.

>> WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

JUST TAKE NOTE OF THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR BOND DISCUSSIONS, PLEASE.

>> NOTED, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GET STARTED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER AS FAR AS THE ACQUISITION GOES BECAUSE AS UPS COME UP, AS THESE NEW RENEWALS COME UP, EVEN IF THE PLAN ITSELF HAS NOT TRIGGERED ANY SPECIFIC ZONING, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE HEADED, I THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T MISS THE OPPORTUNITY WITH A BOND PACKAGE TO HAVE SOMETHING DEVOTED TO INVESTMENT IN THAT EFFORT. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH COUNCILMEMBER.

COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN.

>> THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK YOU ARE DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB ANSWERING ALL THESE QUESTIONS, AND I BELIEVE THAT CHAIRMAN BLACKMON SAID THAT SHE FELT LIKE SHE'S LEARNED HAS BEEN A CLASSROOM.

I REALLY THINK YOU'VE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB. THANK YOU ON THAT.

I DO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ACTUALLY SO THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND THIS.

IF IT DOES NEED REZONING, WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT PROCESS AND TIMELINE LOOK LIKE? I GUESS IS A CITY ALLOWED TO TAKE AWAY, CAN YOU MOVE DOWN ZONING, OR CAN YOU ONLY GIVE MORE RIGHTS?

>> NO, YOU CAN "DOWN ZONE".

I KNOW WE HAVE, NOT YOU AND I, BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS OF THAT.

YES. THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES IN ANY REZONING IS THAT THERE IS AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE OPTION LEFT ON A PROPERTY.

IF THERE ISN'T, THEN WE NEED TO PAY FOR THAT PROPERTY AT FAIR MARKET VALUE.

>> OKAY. HOW LONG DOES THAT PROCESS TAKE? LET'S SAY THERE'S A CERTAIN PARCEL, IT WAS ONCE INDUSTRIAL, NOW IS GOING TO BECOME SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE?

>> IT SHOULD BE AN EASY QUESTION.

PART OF IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO GET THIS LAND-USE PLAN IN PLACE, WE WANT TO UPDATE THE DEVELOPMENT CODE SO WE RELY LESS ON PDES AND ALL OF THE COMPLEXITIES THAT ARE IN THESE INDIVIDUAL PDES THAT ARE TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK BUGGING DOWN THE SYSTEM.

[NOISE] IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN IT SHOULD.

[04:50:04]

I FEEL THAT I CAN SAY THAT, [LAUGHTER] THAT IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN IT SHOULD.

IF WE START TO STREAMLINE AND UPDATE THESE PROCESSES, HONESTLY, IN PREVIOUS WORK, WELL, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG THE AREA IS.

IF WE'RE TALKING JUST A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES, YOU COULD DO THAT IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

IF WE'RE TALKING ACRES AND ACRES, NINE MONTHS TO A YEAR, IF YOU HAVE PLANNED GUIDANCE IN PLACE.

PART OF THE PROBLEM WHY SOME OF THESE ARE TAKING MUCH LONGER IS BECAUSE EITHER WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAND USE GUIDANCE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THIS AREA OR IT'S SUPER OUTDATED, AND THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED THAT PLAN AT THAT TIME ARE NO LONGER IN THAT AREA.

THAT EXTENDS THE PROCESS.

>> OKAY. ONCE WE HAVE THAT LAND USE GUIDANCE, LET'S SAY THERE'S A PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO CHANGE THE ZONING, BUT THIS IS THE GUIDANCE OF THE COMMUNITY, WHO WOULD INITIATE THAT PROCESS TO HAPPEN?

>> THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD QUESTION BECAUSE THERE'S A CLEAR, I'M GOING TO TRY, HOPEFULLY I DON'T COMPLETELY CONFUSE THE ISSUE.

THERE WILL BE AREAS, LARGER AREAS, I WOULD SAY, THAT WOULD BE CANDIDATES FOR THE CITY INITIATED REZONING BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, THIS WHOLE AREA OVER HERE, IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN ZONED PROPERLY.

WE HAVE CONTINUOUS ISSUES.

THE CITY NEEDS TO ADDRESS THIS COMPREHENSIVELY.

THEN THERE MAY BE AREAS WHERE THERE'S A PLACE TYPE OR A LAND USE DESIGNATION.

WITHIN THAT AREA AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER, IT CAN ALSO BE INDIVIDUALLY PROPERTY OWNER DRIVEN, EITHER TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE PLAN OR YOU CAN JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

YOU CAN CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR DAY UNTIL YOU MAYBE WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.

THEN YOU LOOK TO THE LAND USE PLAN.

REALLY THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO, IT'S RELATIVELY UNCHARACTERISTIC FOR A CITY TO GO OUT PROPERTY BY PROPERTY.

IT'S USUALLY LOOKING AT A LARGER AREA.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I WANT TO REASSURE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS THAT THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO SAY SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

THAT THE LAND USE IS MAYBE NOT A PERFECT MATCH TO WHAT YOU WANT, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO GO OUT AND DO THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO BE CLEAR ABOUT SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE THINK NEED A CITY INITIATED REZONING, AND THOSE ARE LARGER AREAS.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I THINK THERE'S ALREADY A LITTLE BIT OF JOKING ABOUT MY DISTRICT NEEDS THIS, AND I THINK MINE PROBABLY IS GOING TO NEED THE LEAST OF EVERYBODY, AND I HOPE SO.

BUT THAT SAID, I'M INTERESTED CITYWIDE IN THIS IDEA OF, LET'S SAY THERE IS A LARGE TRACT OF LAND AND MAYBE IT'S AGRICULTURAL RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST COMPLETELY RAW LAND.

NOW SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE IT MU, WHATEVER.

IS THERE SOME INCENTIVE THAT WE WOULD OFFER TO THIS LANDOWNER THAT SAYS, HEY, MAYBE THEY'RE GETTING LIKE AN EGG EXEMPTION, BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP IT, NOT JUST BY EITHER FORCING ZONING ON YOU, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO PROVIDE A, B, OR C. IS THERE SOME OTHER INCENTIVE WE'RE OFFERING, OR IS THIS GO TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN? HOW DOES THAT TIE TOGETHER?

>> I THINK IT GOES TO ALL OF THOSE VARIOUS PLANS WITHIN THE CITY.

WE CAN MAKE CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS IF THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE WE JUST REALLY WANT TO GO AFTER SOMETHING.

WE THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY KEY TO X.

WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE LAND USE PLAN THAT SAY, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE WANT TO START WITH A TAILORED MASTER PLAN, WE NEED TO GET OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT INVOLVED NOW, WE NEED TO CREATE A NEW TOOL TO DO X, AND WE NEED TO REZONE, AND THIS IS THE PRIORITY.

THAT CAN CERTAINLY HAPPEN.

BUT SOME OF THOSE INCENTIVES THAT COMES THROUGH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, OR AS A STEP AFTER FORWARDDALLAS IS ADOPTED.

>> WELL, I'LL JUST SAY STRATEGICALLY, I HOPE THAT WE WILL GET THAT FOCUSED.

I HOPE THAT WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S BY DIFFERENT PARTS OF TOWN OR ALL IN ONE PART OF TOWN THAT WE SAY THIS IS THE PRIORITY AND WE PUT ALL OF OUR EFFORT AND RESOURCES TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY UNDERUTILIZED AREAS THAT REALLY COULD BECOME THE NEXT GEM OF DALLAS.

ANYHOW, I APPRECIATE THIS EFFORT.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING THE UPCOMING MEETING AND DISTRICT 12.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S HAPPENING, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT THROUGH E-NEWS.

BUT I THINK EVEN THE WORD PLACE-MAKING IS

[04:55:01]

NOT ONE THAT IS IN THE VERNACULAR OF MOST OF THE RESIDENTS, AND I'VE BEEN TO ONE OR TWO SESSIONS YOU'VE HAD, AND I STILL THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE TOO ESOTERIC FOR WHAT [OVERLAPPING] PEOPLE WILL REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW, AND SO I'M GLAD TO HAVE IT.

BUT ANYTHING ELSE YOU COULD DO TO BRING IT DOWN TO A MORE NORMAL SPEECH AND JUST MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE IS APPRECIATED.

>> WE YOU AGREE. THANK YOU. [NOISE]

>> I'M CERTAIN WE ARE READY TO GO TO THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER COUNCIL MEMBER, RESENDEZ.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, I'LL BE QUICK.

I JUST REALLY LIKE THE LINE OF QUESTIONING THAT CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN WAS GOING THROUGH JUST NOW.

BECAUSE WHEN I THINK OF SOUTH BUCKNER BETWEEN LAKE JUNE AND 175, THERE'S A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF WATER-RELATED USES, AND I LIKE GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AND HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY, BUT THEN ON THE GROUND, HOW IS IT ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN? HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE CHANGE? PEOPLE OWN THESE BUSINESSES, THEY OWN THESE PROPERTIES, SO I KNOW IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF WORK.

BUT I LIKE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS AND [NOISE] JUST MOVING FORWARD.

I'M HOPING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE THINGS THAT MS. MENDELSOHN WAS TALKING ABOUT FOR NOT JUST DISTRICT 5, BUT OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, RESENDEZ.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE ONLINE.

[LAUGHTER] ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, AL-GHAFRY, YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME CLOSING COMMENTS OR OBSERVATIONS, STATEMENTS BEFORE WE CLOSE?

>> SURE. MAKE IT QUICK.

WELL, I DEFINITELY WANT TO RECOGNIZE JULIA, ANDREA, AND THEIR TEAM, DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB UP TO THIS POINT.

JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LAND USE MAP THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS REALLY THE BASELINE OF A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

IT'S A START FOR OTHER THINGS THAT WE STILL NEED TO DO.

IT'S NOT GOING TO ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE SITUATION, OR EVERY SINGLE LAND USE, OR EVERY ZONING CASE.

SO THIS IS AN ONGOING WORK AND EVEN WHEN WE UPDATE THE MAP EVERY THREE YEARS, THIS IS A REVOLVING DOOR AND THAT'S WHY CITIES THRIVE IN THAT ASPECT.

JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT AWESOME JOB TEAM.

>> WAS THAT QUICK ENOUGH?

>> I BELIEVED IT HAS. [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU ALL, STAFF AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR YOUR SERVICE TODAY.

IT IS NOW 3:11 PM, AND THIS COUNCIL MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.