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GOOD MORNING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE HEARING OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.IT IS 8 59 ON THURSDAY, MAY 4TH, 2023.
AND AT THIS TIME I WILL DO A ROLL CALL IF PRESENT.
MS. SHIN HERE AND MYSELF IS HERE.
SO WE HAVE A QUORUM AND THE MEETING IS CALLED TO ORDER.
OH, MS. WILLIS, DID I SKIP YOU? I'M SORRY.
UM, THE ONLY MEMBER ABSENT IS MS. ARIANO.
UM, WILL THE OTHER PRESENT AT TODAY'S HEARING, PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF BEGINNING WITH THE BOARD'S GENERAL COUNSEL, CASEY BURGESS AND MATTHEW SAPP.
UH, AND FROM THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
MIRA SLAVA MARTINEZ, DONNA BROWN, AND ASHLEY DEL ROSA.
AND WHO DO WE HAVE? OH, I'M SORRY.
UM, AND FROM THE APPELLANT, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPELLANT? I'M SORRY, MA'AM.
IS SHE ON MUTE? PEGGY? ARE WE THE APPELLANT? THERE WE GO.
COULD YOU PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN? I'M GINA CANNON WITH TEX PERMITS, AND I'M HERE WITH THE OWNER OF RODEO WEST DALLAS.
ARE WE THE APPELLANT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? YES, YOU ARE.
AND, UH, I'M SORRY, YOUR CLIENT'S NAME? EDUARD NOES.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY WITNESSES? NO, SIR.
AND FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, ANDREW SKINNER REPRESENTING THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND, UH, DETECTIVE JUAN HERNANDEZ IS HERE.
AND, UH, I'M UNSURE IF, UH, SERGEANT LUSTER IS THERE IN PERSON OR ARE WE EXPECTING HIM? UH, I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE WAS SHOWING UP IN PERSON OR IF THIS IS VIRTUAL ONLY.
AND WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, DETECTIVES.
WERE YOU EXPECTING THEM? UH, YES.
WHO? WHOEVER SERGEANT LUSTER BROUGHT ALONG IS GREAT.
UM, DETECTIVES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF? I'M DETECTIVE MONTEREY DEPART.
UM, AND THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY IS PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
UM, WE HAVE NO INDIVIDUALS REGISTERED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD TODAY, CORRECT? YES.
UM, OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING.
UM, IS THERE A MOTION REGARDING APPROVING THE MEETING MINUTES FOR FEBRUARY 16TH, 2023? MEETING? MOVE TO APPROVE.
OH, WAS THAT MR. CILLA? WHO MO MOVED? YES.
SORRY, I WASN'T LOOKING AT MY SCREEN.
WHO WAS THE SECOND? IT WAS ME, MR. QUINN.
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UM, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES, AND IT HAS BEEN SECONDED.IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NO.
UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM THE FEBRUARY 16TH, 2023 MEETING, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
UM, OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE APPEAL HEARING FOR RODEO WEST DALLAS, UH, RODEO WEST DALLAS IS APPEALING THE DENIAL OF A LATE HOURS PERMIT UNDER SECTION 14 DASH 3.1, CHAPTER 14 OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE.
UM, THE BURDEN OF PROOF FOR THIS HEARING IS ON THE APPELLANT RODEO WEST.
UH, AT THIS TIME, ANY WITNESSES WHO WISH TO TESTIFY IN THE HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
SO YOU MAY BE SWORN IN BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
DO YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE FOR THIS BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.
UM, SO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE PROCEEDINGS, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO TAKE ABOUT A 15 MINUTE RECESS.
WE ADDRESSED SOME TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT WE ARE HAVING HERE.
UH, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, UH, LET ME ASK, UH, THE APPELLANT RODEO WEST, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED TO PRESENT YOUR CASE? I, I THINK I NEED ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
AND MR. ELLIS, ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
UM, AND MR. SKINNER, FOR THE CITY, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED? I THINK 10 MINUTES WOULD BE MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR US AS WELL.
SO I'M GONNA SAY HOW ABOUT 20 MINUTES PER SE, WILL MAKE IT NICE AND EVEN AND ROUND.
UM, AND, UH, THE EXHIBITS HAVE ALL BEEN ACCEPTED BY THE CITY'S SECRETARY'S OFFICE.
AND JUST TO CONFIRM, I HAVE, UH, ONE EXHIBIT FROM THE CITY AND I HAVE, UM, TWO EXHIBITS FROM RODEO WEST.
THEN, UH, AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 15 MINUTE RECESS.
UM, EVERYBODY CAN GET THEMSELVES COLLECTED AND WE WILL BE BACK AT 9 22.
AND WOULD THE CITY ATTORNEY PLEASE READ THE RELEVANT ORDINANCE? TO BE PERFECTLY FRANK WITH YOU, I DID NOT KNOW THAT THAT WAS EXPECTED OF ME, SO I AM PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW.
MR. SKINNER, OUR BOARD COUNSEL WILL READ THE, UH, WILL READ THE ORDINANCE.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE CITY, CITY ATTORNEY DIVISIONS HERE.
YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING.
UH, SECTION 14 3.1, READ THAT A PERSON WHO HAS ISSUED A CLASS A, CLASS B OR CLASS C DANCE HALL LICENSE MAY APPLY ON A FORM PROVIDED BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE FOR A LATE HOURS PERMIT.
UPON RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION AND PAYMENT OF THE LATE HOURS PERMIT FEE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL ISSUE A LATE HOURS PERMIT TO THE APPLICANT, EXCEPT THAT NO LATE HOURS PERMIT MAY BE ISSUED FOR A DANCE HALL LOCATED WITHIN 1000 FEET OF ONE, A BOUNDARY OF A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AS DEFINED IN CHAPTER 41 A OF THIS CODE OR TWO PROPERTY E LINE OF THE LOT DEVOTED TO A RESIDENTIAL USE AS DEFINED IN CHAPTER 41 A OF THIS CODE, WHETHER SUCH USE IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OR NOT.
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GOOD.AND WE WILL NOW HAVE, UH, OPENING STATEMENTS, FIVE MINUTES EACH, UM, FROM THE APPELLANT AND THE CITY, UH, BEGINNING WITH THE APPELLANT.
GOOD MORNING BOARD MEMBERS AND CITY STAFF MEMBERS.
I'M GINA CANNON FROM ALLTECH'S PERMITS.
I FORMERLY WORKED FOR T A B C, SO MY AREA OF EXPERTISE IS ACTUALLY ALCOHOL LAW AND RULES, NOT DANCE HALLS.
UH, THIS WAS THE FIRST DANCE HALL APPLICATION THAT I APPLIED FOR ON BEHALF OF RODEO WEST DALLAS IN APRIL OF 2019.
I WORKED WITH DETECTIVE, UM, FREEMAN AT THAT TI, DIANA FREEMAN AT THAT TIME.
SHE DID INFORM ME THAT, UH, OF THE RULE THAT YOU JUST READ MM-HMM.
WE DID NOT HAVE TO COME FORMALLY BEFORE THIS BOARD, UH, WITH JUST A WRITTEN STATEMENT OF OUR APPEAL TO THE POLICE CHIEF AT THE TIME, TO ALLOW FOR THE LATE HOURS IN ADDITION TO THE DANCE HALL PERMIT.
WE DID THAT BASED ON T ABC'S RESTRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR EVEN SERVING ALCOHOL PAST MIDNIGHT.
WE NOTIFIED ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF OUR INTENTION, AND THERE WERE NO PROTEST IN 2019.
WE ALSO, BY LAW, HAVE TO NOTIFY, HAVE TO RUN A LEGAL NOTICE OF OUR INTENTIONS IN A LOCAL PAPER FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE ISSUES, AND, UM, BASICALLY MAINTAIN ALL THE STATE RULES FOR SERVING ALCOHOL AFTER MIDNIGHT.
UH, BASED ON THAT, WE WERE GRANTED THE LATE HOURS IN 2019.
AND, UM, SO WE'RE SURPRISED, BUT NOT SURPRISED AFTER WE REREAD OUR MAIL, UH, THAT THE APPEAL WAS NEEDED IN THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION.
WE WERE GRANTED A NEW DANCE HALL PERMIT IN APRIL, MARCH, IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
SO WE'VE WAITED SIX WEEKS OF BEING ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DANCE, BUT HAVE TO CLO HAVE TO STOP THE DANCING AT MIDNIGHT AND THEN STILL BE ABLE TO SERVE ALCOHOL UNTIL 2:00 AM.
SO WE HAVE OTHER REASONS TO GO OVER, UH, AFTER OUR OPENING STATEMENT, BUT THE MAIN THING IS TO LET THE BOARD KNOW, AND THE CITY STAFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE DALLAS, UH, THE RODEO, DALLAS DANCE, UH, THE, THE ESTABLISHMENT IN GENERAL IN WHOLE.
SO THEY DO HAVE A MIXED BEVERAGE PERMIT TO SERVE LIQUOR, BEER, AND WINE, AND THEY HOLD A T A B C LATE HOURS PERMIT UP UNTIL 2:00 AM.
SO, UM, THE MAIN THING IS NO PROTEST AND, UM, CONDUCTING THEIR BUSINESS IN A, A RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN MANNER, RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS MANNER.
UM, T B C HAS RECENTLY RENEWED THEIR PERMIT FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS, WHICH I WAS JUST TELLING MR. ELLIS WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU, THERE'S SOME THINGS YOU HAVE TO PASS.
IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS TO T A B C ABOUT THIS ESTABLISHMENT FOR NOISE, ANYTHING GOING ON IN THE PARKING LOT, THE POLICE BEING CALLED ANYTHING AT ALL, THEN THEY WOULD BE RED FLAGGED AND THE RENEWAL WOULD BE PUT ON HOLD UNTIL THERE IS A FORMAL INVESTIGATION.
ALSO, IF THEY HAD, NOT, WE, I'M SORRY, MONTHLY REPORTED THEIR SALES AND PAID THEIR TAXES MONTHLY TO THE COMPTROLLER, THE COMPTROLLER WOULD'VE SENT A RED FLAG TO T A B C.
SO WE JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY KNOW OF IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE, AND THEY'RE RESPECTFULLY TODAY COMING BEFORE YOU TO ASK TO GRANT THE LATE HOURS ONCE AGAIN, SINCE THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY BEEN SET, UH, IN 2019 TO ALLOW IT.
AND CERTAINLY OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, OF COURSE, DURING COVID, THEY WEREN'T OPEN, BUT LET'S SAY THE LAST THREE AND A HALF YEARS, THEY'VE BEEN AN OUTSTANDING BUSINESS AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS THAT LIVE LOCAL.
THAT IS THE MAIN CONCERN WITH THE CITY ORDINANCE.
UM, MR. SKINNER, WOULD YOU LIKE, UH, TO CONDUCT BRIEF OPENING THE CITY WAVE'S OPENING STATEMENTS? ALL RIGHT, VERY GOOD.
UH, THEN WE WILL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN THE PRESENTATIONS, UM, BEGINNING
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WITH, UH, THE APPELLANT RODEO WEST.SO, UM, MS. CANNON, YOU CAN, UH, HAVE THE FLOOR AGAIN.
I'LL GO FIRST AND THEN, UM, MR. ELLIS WILL SPEAK.
SO AS I MENTIONED IN APRIL OF 2019, THIS ESTABLISHMENT OPENED WITH A T A B C MIXED BEVERAGE PERMIT, LATE HOURS PERMIT, FOOD AND BEVERAGE CERTIFICATE, A DANCE HALL PERMIT WITH LATE HOURS, UH, PERMIT AS WELL FOR DANCING.
UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE HAD ZERO COMPLAINTS TO T A B C AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, TO THE POLICE FROM THE LOCAL RESIDENCE.
UM, AND I'VE ASKED FOR THAT PROOF TO COME FORWARD FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I HAVEN'T GOT AN EMAIL YET, BUT I'M LOOKING FOR IT.
ONE, ONE DETECTIVE VISITED THE SITE, UM, WHEN WOULD YOU SAY HE VISITED? UH, LAST, LAST, LAST TWO WEEKS, TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND, UM, SAID THERE HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLAINTS.
SO WE HAD THAT BY THE PERSON WHO VISITED THE SITE, BUT I'M WAITING FOR SOMEONE FROM THE DEPARTMENT, UH, DETECTIVE MONREAL TO CONFIRM THAT.
UH, AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF THAT COMES THROUGH.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE VERY SAME ADDRESS OF 7 0 4.
WALTON WALKER ALSO HOLD T A B C ALCOHOL PERMITS FOR LIQUOR, BEER, AND WINE.
AND LATE HOURS IN THE NAME OF THAT ESTABLISHMENT IS MACOS LA.
AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A DANCE HALL PERMIT, BUT THEY HAVE GUESTS AND THE GUEST HAD THE SAME ACCESS TO FOOD AND ALCOHOL AS THE GUEST AT RODEO WEST DALLAS.
AND THERE ARE NOT COMPLAINTS ON THEM EITHER.
UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE OWNER OF THAT RESTAURANT ACTUALLY OWNS THE BUILDING THAT MR. ELLIS IS LEASING.
ALSO, THERE IS AN EVENT CENTER CALLED GRAND EVENT CENTER AT 7 0 4 WALTON WALKER.
AND WHILE THEY DO NOT HOLD AN ALCOHOL PERMIT, THEY DO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS THERE THAT HAVE ALCOHOL UNTIL 2:00 PM UH, 2:00 AM I'M SORRY, BECAUSE THEY DO WEDDING RECEPTIONS, LARGE BIRTHDAY PARTIES, BUSINESS PARTIES, SERA PARTIES, UM, AND SO THE LOCAL PERMIT HOLDER HAS TO GET A T A B C TEMPORARY PERMIT IN ORDER TO GO OFFSITE AND CONDUCT AN EVENT AT EVENT AND GRAND EVENT CENTER.
ALSO NOT HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE.
SO THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE VERY LARGE PARKING LOT, THAT'S MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO HOLD.
THE GUEST DOES NOT HAVE PROBLEMS. IT DOESN'T HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING OR THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
MY, OUR, OUR CLIENT'S ESTABLISHMENT AND THE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ALSO HAVE ALCOHOL UNTIL 2:00 AM ALSO, I FORMALLY WORKED FOR T A B C AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, AND HAVE A PRETTY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR RULES AND GUIDELINES.
SO WHAT, UM, RODEO WEST DALLAS, UM, HIRED ME TO DO IS TO APPLY FOR THE T A B C.
OOPS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
T A B C REQUIRES AN ONSITE INSPECTION TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE SIGNS WHERE YOU CAN COMPLAIN IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T BE GOING ON, UM, WHERE YOU'VE LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IF THEY ARE PREGNANT, THEY SHOULD NOT DRINK, THERE'S A SIGN POSTED BY LAW IN THE WOMEN'S ROOM AND THE MEN'S ROOM TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT IF YOU SEE SOMEONE THAT YOU SUSPECT HUMAN TRAFFICKING, YOU SHOULD CALL T A B C.
SO I HELP MAKE SURE THAT THIS CLIENT HAS ALL OF THE REQUIREMENT THINGS IN THE PUBLIC VIEW SO THAT COMPLAINTS CAN BE MADE SHOULD ANYONE SEE ANYTHING THAT IS SUSPICIOUS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I HELP THEM RENEW THEIR PERMIT.
THEY, WHILE THEY DIDN'T CHANGE SPECIFIC OWNERS, THEY DID CHANGE THE LLC THAT HANDLES THIS BUSINESS TO A NEW ONE.
SO WE MADE THAT THROUGH THE STATE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THROUGH T A B C AND THROUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE DANCE HALL PERMIT.
SO THE DANCE HALL PERMIT IS IN THE NEW ENTITY NAME, THE SAME INDIVIDUAL OWNER FROM THE FIRST LLC TO THIS LLC.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE WERE REQUIRED TO FILE AN ASSUMED NAME CERTIFICATE WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, SO THAT THEY COULD ISSUE THE FIRST DANCE HALL PERMIT, BECAUSE IF IT SAYS THE ENTITY NAME AND NOT THE NAME ON THE BUILDING, TECHNICALLY YOU HAVE TO
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CLEAN THAT UP.SO WE TOOK CARE OF THAT FOR THE, AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, IN 2019, WE WERE ADVISED THAT WE WERE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET OF RESIDENCE.
WE WERE, WE DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS A RULE FOR DANCE HALLS BECAUSE T ABC'S RULE FOR DRINKING NEAR RESIDENCE IS 300 FEET.
SO THE DANCE HALL WANTS MORE OF A BUFFER FOR POTENTIAL SOUND VIOLATIONS.
UM, ALSO, WE TRULY BELIEVE THAT IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, A RESIDENT WOULD HAVE COME FORTH AND COMPLAINED TO EITHER TDC OR THE CITY IF THE NOISE LEVEL EVER DISTURBED THEIR PEACE.
UM, SO BECAUSE THE CITY SECRETARY SIGNED OFF ON THE ORIGINAL T A B C APPLICATION, ALLOWING FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOL UP UNTIL 2:00 AM BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE OPEN SELLING ALCOHOL UNTIL 2:00 AM BECAUSE WE LEGALLY NOTIFIED RESIDENTS WITHIN 300 FEET, WHICH WAS BASICALLY THE APARTMENTS BEHIND THE BUILDING WHERE OUR CLIENT IS NOW IN ORDER, OUR CLIENTS CUSTOMERS WOULD NEVER, EVER PARK WHERE, UH, APARTMENTS ARE BEHIND THEM BECAUSE THEIR PARKING IS SUFFICIENT FOR ALL THEIR GUESTS.
PLUS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN ONE STREET, DOWN ANOTHER STREET, DOWN ANOTHER STREET.
IT'S NOT ACCESSIBLE IN ANY WAY TO DISRUPT THEIR QUIET AND PEACE.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAD TO FORMALLY, UH, NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY OF THE INTENTION IN THE PAPER.
UM, AND BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN NO PROTEST, WE JUST STRESS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE AN EXCELLENT CANDIDATE FOR YOU TO GRANT THIS REQUEST TODAY.
UM, THOSE WERE BASICALLY MY POINTS, UH, TO SHARE WITH YOU.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE MR. ELLIS TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS.
I CAN JUST ADDRESS HOW HE COMPLIES WITH THE RULES AND THE LAW.
UM, I WOULD REALLY JUST, IF YOU HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU WOULD LIKE, LIKE TO ASK ME ABOUT HOW THE ESTABLISHMENT IS, IS AROUND, UH, A THOUSAND FEET FROM THE PART, FROM THE CLUB, FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, I'M, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
HE WAS TELLING ME THAT THEY HAVE SPECIAL, UM, ACOUSTICAL, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT ON THE, THE, WHERE THEY CAN'T HERE? OH, YES.
THE, THE WALL, THEY'RE INSULATED.
YES, THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT INSULATION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
SO, UM, WHILE, WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY L A VERY LARGE L-SHAPED SHOPPING CENTER, AND WE'RE ONLY IN ONE SUITE, THE WALLS ARE INSULATED IN A WAY THAT THE MUSIC WILL NOT CARRY OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO WE WANTED TO ASSURE YOU OF THAT.
THERE'S TWO DOORS AND WE KEEP SECURITY ON EACH DOOR, SO THE DOORS WILL STAY CLOSED AT ALL TIMES, AND NO CUSTOMERS ARE ALLOWED TO GO OUT THE BACK DOORS, WHICH THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE WHERE IF IT WAS OPENED, MUSIC COULD BE HEARD BY, POTENTIALLY BE HEARD BY RESIDENTS IN APARTMENTS BEHIND THE BUILDING.
SO BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN ZERO COMPLAINTS, THAT'S A EXCELLENT, UH, UH, PROOF THAT THE CLIENT HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BE A GOOD, A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UM, WE'LL NOW, UH, SEE THE CITY.
MR. SKINNER, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UM, FOR THE APPELLANT? I DO NOT.
UH, SO WE WILL NOW PROCEED TO BOARD QUESTIONING OF THE APPELLANT, AND JUST A REMINDER, UM, WE'LL DO, UH, FIRST THREE MINUTE ROUND, UH, I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST AND THEN EVERYBODY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, ASK THE APPELLANT, UH, EITHER, UH, MS. CANNON OR MR. ELLIS.
UH, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THREE MINUTES? UM, SO FIRST, UH, MS. AYALA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? UH, NO QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT.
MR. ELLIS, I HAVE A QUESTION, UM, FOR YOU, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR IDEAL HOURS OF OPERATION IF GRANTED THIS LICENSE OR PERMIT?
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I'M SORRY.THE REASON WE MORE NEED THE LATE HOURS OUT, I WILL, I WON'T BE SATISFIED WITH JUST 30 MINUTES.
SO WHENEVER THE PEOPLE LEAVE, THE, THE ESTABLISHMENT, THERE'S, THERE'S, THEY CAN ALL WALK OUT AT NOT ALL RUSHING OUT AT ONE TIME AND BEING IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UH, AT THE SAME TIME.
AND, UH, THAT WOULD MAKE IT, UH, BETTER FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO NOT BE RUNNING OVER EACH OTHER.
SO, SO YOU WOULD REALLY CLOSE LIKE AT TWO 30 OR 3:00 AM OR? YES.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.
THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR.
SO LATE, DON'T LATE HOURS PAST MIDNIGHT.
YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, UM, MS. CANNON, YOU MENTIONED GIVING NOTICE TO THE RESIDENCE.
UH, DO WE HAVE A COPY OF THE NOTICE THAT YOU GAVE THE RESIDENCE BY ANY CHANCE? NO, BUT I, I DO HAVE IT WITH HIS ORIGINAL T B C APPLICATION, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO FORWARD IT TO, UH, MS. MARTINEZ OR WHOEVER YOU WOULD LIKE US TO.
UM, I, AND I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT NOTICE.
IS THERE ANYWHERE INCLUDED IN THE NOTICE HOW TO MAKE A COMPLAINT IN CASE THEY DO HAVE COMPLAINTS? LIKE DOES, IS THAT PROVIDED IN THE NOTICE AS WELL? THE NOTICE THAT WE SEND TELLS THEM TO CALL T A B C IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ALCOHOL SERVED NEAR THEIR HOME UNTIL 2:00 AM ZERO COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN FILED.
FURTHERMORE, EVERY RESIDENT, EVERY CITY, EVERY CHURCH OR SCHOOL HAS THE RIGHT TO FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST ANYONE WHO'S ALCOHOL, UM, EVERY TIME THEY RENEW.
SO WE, WE HAD NO COMPLAINTS WHEN WE APPLIED.
WE HAD NO COMPLAINTS AT FIRST RENEWAL, AND WE JUST COMPLETED SECOND RENEWAL.
BUT NOWHERE IN THE NOTICE, IT DOES MENTION THAT THEY CAN CALL THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THERE IS A NOISE COMPLAINT, CORRECT? NO, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE, IT IS NOT MENTIONED IN OUR PARTICULAR NOTICE, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHO THEY CALL FIRST, NOT T A B C, THEY CALL 9 1 1
UH, SAY SOMETHING, UM, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, I'LL ASK YOU TO SAVE THAT UNTIL THE, UH, CITY'S PRESENTATION.
UH, DETECTIVE, UM, MR. CILLA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? I DO NOT.
UH, MR. HAYES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ACCOUNT? YES, I DO.
UM, IN MATTERS LIKE THIS, I I GENERALLY HAVE THREE CONCERNS.
ONE IS NOISE, AND APPARENTLY YOU'VE ADDRESSED THAT WITH THE ACOUSTICS WITHIN THE BUILDING.
SECOND IS PEOPLE WANDERING ONTO THESE VERY ADJACENT, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX.
I CAN SEE IN TAB SIX THAT THERE'S A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL LOOKING WALL THERE, AT LEAST IN THE AERIAL VIEW.
UH, HOW HIGH IS THAT AND WHAT'S IT MADE OUT OF? I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT KIND OF MATERIAL, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS THE ONE THAT, UH, UH, ASKED FOR WHENEVER WE, UH, UH, MADE THE ESTABLISHMENT, UH, BUILDING, UH, THE, THE HEIGHT IS ABOUT 18, 18 9.
UH, BUT MY THIRD CONCERN IS, UH, BASICALLY HAVING TO DO WITH DRUNKS.
UM, PRINCIPALLY THE FACT THAT, THAT YOU'VE GOT A BIG PARKING LOT THERE AND EVERYBODY ARRIVED BY A CAR.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THAT YOU IN FACT, DO NOT SERVE ALCOHOL AFTER 2:00 AM BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE PENALTIES FOR THAT.
UM, WHAT DO YOU DO TO, TWO QUESTIONS, I GUESS.
ONE, PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BRINGING THEIR OWN BOOZE AFTER 2:00 AM AND TWO, WHAT KIND OF SECURITY DO YOU HAVE ON SITE THAT WOULD PERHAPS SEE THAT SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO GO GET IN THEIR CAR WHEN THEY'D HAD TOO MUCH TO DRINK? AND WHAT WOULD THEY DO ABOUT IT? NOW, THE, THE MAIN, UH, THING, WE HAVE, UH, TWO, UH, FOUR ARM OFFICERS IN THE FRONT, TWO ON THE, WHEN YOU FIRST WALK INTO THE ESTABLISHMENT, AND THEN TWO IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
AND WE GOT, UH, OVER 16 BOUNCERS INSIDE THE CLUB THAT ARE, UH, UH, TWO OF THE BOUNCERS ARE THE ONES THAT, UH, ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DOOR CHECKING EVERYBODY.
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THEY SEARCH EVERY PERSON THAT GOES IN.IF THEY HAVE A BIGGER PURSE, THEY GET CHECKED.
UH, MR. QUINN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPELLANT? I DO.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, SO, ALL RIGHT.
YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.
SO, UM, MS. CANNON, YOU HAD MENTIONED, UM, AS YOU WERE TALKING, NO COMPLAINTS IN GENERAL.
UM, NO COMPLAINTS AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW.
UM, SOME OF 'EM VISIT THE SITE AND SAID NO COMPLAINTS, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENTIARY SUPPORT FOR SAYING WE HAVE HAD NO COMPLAINTS? UM, HOLD ON, I'M LOOKING, I AM SORRY.
I DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE FROM THE DETECTIVE TO CONFIRM WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
T A B C I, UM, THE SUPERVISOR FOR ALL OF NORTH TEXAS', NAME IS SEAN SMITH.
AND HE, UM, HE VERBALLY TOLD ME THAT THERE HAD NEVER BEEN A COMPLAINT AGAINST THIS ESTABLISHMENT REGARDING ALCOHOL.
UM, I ONLY HAVE THE WORD OF THE DETECTIVE THAT VISITED THE SITE THAT THERE AREN'T, THE POLICE ARE NOT CALLED TO THE PARKING LOT OR TO THIS ESTABLISHMENT OR THE OTHER TWO ESTABLISHMENTS FOR THAT MATTER, THAT THERE AREN'T PROBLEMS. OKAY.
WELL, SO THAT, THAT, THAT BEGS THE QUESTION OF, YOU SAID NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT ALCOHOL.
ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE? NO.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE DALLAS DE POLICE DEPARTMENT DO NOT HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS FOR SOMEONE DRIVING DRUNK.
THERE ARE NO ARRESTS, THERE'S NO ONE FIGHTING.
THE DALLAS DE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WHO TOLD OUR CLIENT THAT THERE'S NO REASON THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ISSUED THE LATE HOURS DANCE HALL BECAUSE IT IS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE PROBLEMS IN THE PARKING LOT OR INSIDE EITHER.
WELL, AND, AND THE, THE, THE EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THERE'S ONLY 16 EVENTS IN THE WHOLE CALENDAR YEAR.
BUT THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I ASK IS, TYPICALLY BUSINESSES, ONCE THEY'RE ESTABLISHED DON'T CHANGE LLCS.
SO WHY THE CHANGE OF THE LLC? UH, WE, UH, UH, THERE WAS A ONE, THE, THE BUSINESS IS IS OWNED BY THREE, THREE PEOPLE.
SO ONE OF 'EM, ONE OF 'EM SOLD, UH, SOLD THE PART TO US.
SO WE DECIDED TO MAKE A NEW ENTITY TO THE PLACE.
UH, MS. SHIN, THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. ELLIS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE, UM, LIKE A NEXT LEVEL INSULATION FOR SOUND.
HAVE YOU HAD ANY TESTING DONE ON THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR LOCATION TO SEE, UM, REALLY WHAT THAT, UM, SOUNDPROOFING IS DOING AND TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO EFFECT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEAR YOU? NO, MA'AM.
I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA BE VERY HONEST ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE NOT, UH, WE, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY THAT I KNOW WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY COMPLAIN, OR THEY HAVE NEVER ANYBODY CAME TO OUR, FROM THE APARTMENTS, COME UP TO HER, UH, PLACE A BUSINESS AND, AND SAID SOMETHING TO US, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR MUSIC'S TOO LOUD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO, BUT NO, MA'AM, I DO NOT HAVE, AND I HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NOR HOW, HOW LOUD IS THE NOISE.
BUT I'VE NEVER GOTTEN A COMPLAINT FROM, I'VE NEVER HEARD OF ANY COMPLAINT FROM THE, UH, FROM THE APARTMENTS BEHIND US, REALLY.
INSURANCE, IF, IF THE RESIDENTS COULD HEAR THE MUSIC, YOU WOULD HAVE A COMPLAINT.
THANK, UM, SO, UH, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UM, MS. CANNON, YOU SAID THAT YOU PROVIDED NOTICE TO THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DID YOU PROVIDE NOTICE THAT, UH, THE APPELLANT WAS SEEKING TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 4:00 AM OR WAS THAT JUST NOTICE OF THE, THE ALCOHOL PERMIT? IT'S ONLY NOTICE OF SERVING ALCOHOL UNTIL 2:00 AM.
UM, AND YOU UNDERSTAND, UM, MR.
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ELLIS, THAT RIGHT, RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE ORDINANCE IS THAT YOU CAN REMAIN OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM WITH THE PERMIT THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.THE EXEMPTION THAT YOU'RE SEEKING WOULD ALLOW YOU TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 4:00 AM UH, IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 4:00 AM? NO, SIR.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, THEY'RE NOT AT TWO IN THE MORNING, WE, THEY CAN ALL COME OUT.
AND SO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU GIMME 30 MINUTES JUST WITH THE PEOPLE NOT ALL RUSH OUT AND BE AT THE FRONT WITH SECURITY ON THE, THE OFFICERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE FRONT TRYING TO GET GO TO THEIR CARS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WOULD BE PERFECT FOR ME.
WE DON'T NEED THE FOUR AT 4:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
UM, WE CAN'T GIVE YOU 30 MINUTES.
WE CAN ONLY GIVE YOU 2:00 AM OR 4:00 AM YES.
SO I I, IF WE APPROVE THIS AND YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BE OPEN UNTIL 4:00 AM WHAT TIME WOULD YOU ACTUALLY POST AS YOUR CLOSING TIME? WELL, SIR, THE ALCOHOL IS, IS CLO ALCOHOL CAN ONLY BE SOLD TO TWO, 2:00 AM IN THE MORNING.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, WHEN THEY'RE LEAVING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAYBE, UH, UH, A LITTLE OVER DRINKING OR SOMETHING, MAKING SURE THAT WE, WE HAVE A WAY FOR THEM TO LEAVE OR GET AN UBER FOR THEM OR MAKE SURE WE HAVE, UH, A BETTER, UH, WAIT TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
SO, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULD STILL TECHNICALLY CLOSE AT 2:00 AM BUT YOU JUST WOULDN'T KICK EVERYBODY OUT THEN? OR, OR WOULD YOU INTEND TO ACTUALLY STAY OPEN LATER? UH, I THINK WE NAME THE LAST NAME.
MS. CANNON, OR ARE YOU STILL THERE? MARY
UH, I GOT A PHONE NUMBER FOR MR. HALLIS, BUT WE CAN SEE HER NOW, MARY.
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YEAH.UH, MR. ELLIS, CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YOU MIGHT BE ON MUTE.
CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU HEAR US? YES.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE LEFT OFF.
UM, I THINK I WAS ASKING A QUESTION, UM, AND I THINK IT WAS THE, THE, THE PERMIT OR THE EXEMPTION THAT, THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, MR. ELLIS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO REMAIN OPEN FROM 2:00 AM TO 4:00 AM.
SO I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT IT IS YOU'RE, YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO DO.
WILL, WILL THE SIGN ON YOUR DOOR STILL SAY THAT YOU CLOSE IT 2:00 AM BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA THROW PEOPLE OUT AT 2:00 AM OR WILL YOU, DO YOU ACTUALLY INTEND TO REMAIN OPEN AND OPERATING AND HAVING MUSIC AND SERVING NON-ALCOHOLIC DRINKS BETWEEN 2:00 AM AND 4:00 AM NO, SIR.
WE, WE DEFINITELY CLOSE AT, AT AT TWO.
THE ONLY THING THEY COULD GET AFTER TWO O'CLOCK IS THE WATERS IN ORDER.
IF THEY WANT A WATER, WE'LL GIVE THEM A WATER.
UH, FAR AS I KNOW, THREE O'CLOCK WOULD BE SOMETHING WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN LEAVE MORE SAFELY AND, UH, THEY HAVE A BETTER, INSTEAD OF THEM ALL RUNNING OUT AT THE PLACE.
BUT NO, SIR, THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY KIND OF DRINKS.
SO, UH, UH, THE LIGHTS WOULD COME ON AT 2, 2, 2 15, AND THAT, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD, UH, UH, START LETTING THE PEOPLE OUT SO WE COULD, UH, UH, LET 'EM OUT IN A SAFELY MANNER.
SO ALCOHOL WISE, IF SOMEONE WAS SERVED A DRINK FIVE MINUTES BEFORE 2:00 AM AND THEY ARE CUT OFF, IT DOES TAKE ONE HOUR TO PROCESS A DRINK.
SO THE CLIENT WANTS THERE TO BE TIME OF NO ALCOHOL SERVED BEFORE THEY GO OUT TO THEIR CAR.
AND, AND SO, UM, WE, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GRANT THE EXEMPTION, UH, WE HAVE TO FIND FOUR THINGS.
AND YOU HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROVING THESE FOUR THINGS THAT, UH, THERE WON'T BE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON NEARBY PROPERTY THAT, UH, THAT YOU WILL NOT DOWNGRADE THE PROPERTY VALUE OR QUALITY OF LIFE IN THE ADJACENT AREA, OR ENCOURAGE URBAN BLIGHT THAT YOU WILL NOT BE CONTRARY TO ANY PROGRAM OF NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION OR ANY EFFORTS OF URBAN RENEWAL OR RESTORATION, AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE APP, ALL THE APPLICABLE PROVISIONS OF THE CHAPTER.
I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED NUMBER FOUR.
UM, BUT COULD YOU JUST BRIEFLY ADDRESS THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS AROUND THE LOCATION AND WHETHER THERE'S ANY URBAN BLIGHT OR, UH, ANY NEIGHBORHOOD CONSERVATION EFFORTS GOING ON THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF.
UH, OF THE ONLY APARTMENTS THAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE REAR PART OF THE, OF THE, OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UH, AND WE DO HAVE A FENCE THAT'S LONG, EIGHT FEET FENCE BEHIND THE, UH, THE, IN BETWEEN THE APARTMENTS AND THE ESTABLISHMENT.
UM, FOR, UH, A SECOND ROUND OR ANYBODY WHO PASSED IN THE FIRST ROUND, UH, DO, UH, I'LL JUST GO THROUGH QUICKLY.
UH, MS. AYALA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, I DON'T.
UH, MS. TORRES, THANK YOU CHAIR.
UH, MR. ELLIS, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS NEAR, UM, YOUR ESTABLISHMENT.
YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS A RESTAURANT IN THAT AREA AS WELL, RIGHT? THAT STAYS OPEN? YES, MA'AM.
MS. STAY OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM THEY'RE OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM OKAY.
SO IT'S THE RESTAURANT AND IT'S YOUR DANCE HALL.
DO YOU KNOW OF ANY OTHER, UM, ESTABLISHMENTS THAT
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ARE OPEN UNTIL 2:00 AM OR LATER? UH, NOT WITHIN THE STRIP.NOT UNLESS IT'S IN THE SAME ESTABLISHMENT WHERE WE'RE AT.
CAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY, UH, THREE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE, THEY'RE THE EVENT CENTER WHERE THEY HAVE LIKE, FOR FIFTEENS, AND THEN THERE'S THE RESTAURANT, AND THEN THERE IS THE, UH, THE CLUB.
UM, THERE ARE MORE LATE HOUR PERMITS ON WALTON WALKER.
WE JUST FOCUSED ON THE ONES AT THE EXACT SAME ADDRESS.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
SO THERE'S THE QUINAN DANCE HALL, THERE'S THE RESTAURANT, AND THEN THERE'S RODEO WEST DALLAS.
AND THEN YOU MENTIONED SECURITY.
DO YOU GUYS SHARE THE SECURITY OR IS THIS SECURITY SPECIAL TO RODEO WEST DALLAS? NO, MA'AM.
THE, UH, OUR ESTABLISHMENT PAY PAYS OUR SECURITY AND, UH, OUR, OKAY.
SO WE HAVE FOUR OFFICERS, UH, THAT ARE WORK ON THE PREMISES, AND THEN WE HAVE THE BOUNCERS THAT ARE INSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND IF YOU SHARE PARKING LOT, HOW DO YOU DO THAT IN REGARDS TO THE SECURITY? IF, IF THEY CAN PARK ANYWHERE, MAYBE THEY COULD PARK IN FRONT OF THE, THE RESTAURANT, BUT GO VISIT YOU.
UM, HOW DO YOU GUYS DO THAT WITH THE SECURITY? SO WE HAVE PEOP UH, WE HAVE ATTENDANCE PEOPLE THAT WOULD, UH, HELP THEM.
UH, WE HAVE LIKE, UH, UH, PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE DOING THAT, HELPING THE, THE, THE PEOPLE, UH, GET TO THEIR CARS.
AND THEN, UM, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS PROGRAMMING BY ANY CHANCE OR ANYTHING OF THAT SORT? MA'AM? VERY LITTLE MA'AM.
UH, UH, WE, WE REALLY DON'T, WE'VE DONE HELP A LITTLE BIT, UH, BUT WE, WE REALLY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING BIG THAT I CAN, UH, DESCRIBE IT TO YOU.
UM, WHAT IS YOUR ALLOWABLE OCCUPANCY AND WHAT TYPICALLY IS THE NUMBER OF PATRONS WHO MIGHT BE THERE STILL AT 2:00 AM IT'S A, IT'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE.
AND MIGHT YOUR CROWD STILL BE AS LOUD AS THAT? AS LARGE AS THAT? NO.
THERE, YES, BUT THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A THOUSAND PEOPLE, HUH? YES.
AND THEN WE'RE JUST OPEN ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAYS.
MAYBE ON HOLIDAYS WE'RE OPEN, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S ONLY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
AND, AND THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION KIND OF, UM, PERTAINS TO WHAT YOU WERE ASKING CHAIR.
UM, IF YOU GOT 800 PEOPLE THERE, A HALF AN HOUR IS AN AWFUL SHORT TIME TO GET 'EM ALL OUT IN AN ORDERLY FASHION AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SUITABLE TO GET INTO THEIR CARS OR TO GET UBERS OVER THERE FOR 'EM OR WHATEVER.
UM, THEN, AND, AND AGAIN, ALL WE CAN ADDRESS IS, IS GIVING YOU A PERMIT UNTIL FOUR.
AND REALLY HOW YOU HANDLE, HOW YOU GET RID OF, GET RID OF EVERYBODY.
THAT'S FOUR CHOICE OF WORDS, HOW YOU HANDLE CONTROLLED EGRESS AFTER TWO.
I JUST AS A PERSONAL NOTE, WOULD WANT TO BE CAUTIONARY ABOUT THAT.
AND THERE'S OTHER SIMILAR ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THEY STAY OPEN SERVING NON-ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON FOR A WHILE, JUST SO THAT NOT EVERYBODY LEAVES AT ONCE.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, AS MY PERSONAL VIEW, I'M NOT SURE THAT AFFECTS MY VOTE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
MR. HAYES? UH, MR. QUINN? NO, SIR.
DO YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
UH, MR, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MR. ELLIS.
UM, FIRST, I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT THE WALTON WALKER IN FRONT OF YOUR ESTABLISHMENT, IS THAT ONE WAY, A ONE-WAY DIRECTION FOR TRAFFIC? YES, MA'AM.
THERE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A ENTRANCE THAT GOES THROUGH THE, UH, SMALL STREET THAT GOES DOWN TO THE APARTMENTS, BUT IT'S A IN CAUSE THERE'S A, HOW CAN I EXPLAIN THIS? I DON'T HAVE A MAP.
WHEN YOU FIRST COME INTO THE, UH, TO THE WELCOME TO THE ESTABLISHMENT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, UH, UH, LIKE AN ALLEY STREET, AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET TO THE, UH, INSIDE OF THE, UH, UH, UH, ESTABLISHMENT.
AND YOU, YOU SAID THAT'S AN ALLEY STREET ALONG THE APARTMENTS? OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE
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SERVICE ROAD? APARTMENT, APARTMENTS HAVE THEIR OWN STREET, AND THERE'S NO REASON ANYBODY SHOULD BE GOING STRAIGHT ON THAT STREET TO THE APARTMENT.UH, THERE'S A, LIKE AN ALLEY, NOT AN ALLEY, I'M SAYING IT WRONG.
IT'S LIKE A SMALL STREET THAT GOES, THAT, THAT GOES FROM THE GAS STATION.
AND THEN IT GOES, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCE.
THERE'S ONE THAT GOES THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE, I'M NOT THINKING OF THE NAME OF THE STREET, BUT ONE OF THEM'S THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE FRONT OF THE STREET.
AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT GOES ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
IF I MIGHT JUST ADD ON PAGE 28 AND 29 OF THE CITY'S EXHIBITS, THERE ARE TWO MAPS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN THIS DISCUSSION.
I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT.
WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FIRST WANNA COME INTO THE, UH, UH, THERE, YOU WOULD COME IN ON QUINLAND.
AND WHEN YOU COME IN ON LAN, THERE'S A, A STREET THAT GOES TO THE APARTMENT.
AND THOSE APARTMENTS ARE NOT THE ONES THAT WE'RE, UH, HAVING THE ISSUE OR THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW FOR THIS APPEAL.
THOSE ARE APARTMENTS THAT ARE FURTHER DOWN ON THE OTHER END OF THE, UH, UH, BUSINESS.
SO, BUT THE, THE STREET THAT YOU'RE ASKING ME IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, THERE'S A STREET JUST THAT GOES FOR THE APARTMENT TO THE APARTMENT OR THE, I'M SORRY, THE ESTABLISHMENT OR, OR THE OTHER ENTRANCE THAT WOULD BE ON KILL.
SINCE WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT, DO YOU HAVE, IN ADDITION TO SECURITY, DO YOU HAVE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT, UM, THAT EITHER YOU OR MAYBE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS? WE HAVE THE, THE SEC THE, LIKE THE OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THE FRONT OF THE, OF THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE, AND THEN WE HAVE A ONE THAT'S ON A CAR JUST GOING AROUND THE, THE, THE BUILDING, UH, AROUND OF THE PARKING LOT.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, FURTHER QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S ALL THE TIME FOR THE APPELLANT, SO THANK YOU.
UM, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE CITY.
AND, UH, MR. SKINNER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BEGIN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES.
UH, THE CITY WILL CALL DETECTIVE MONTREAL, AND, AND I CAN'T EXACTLY SEE ON THE, UH, CHAMBER CAMERA.
SO IF YOU'LL LET ME KNOW WHEN, WHEN WE'RE READY TO BEGIN QUESTIONING.
UH, I I BELIEVE THE DETECTIVE IS READY.
UH, DETECTIVE, WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR US? IS IS YOUR MICROPHONE ON, UM, DETECTIVE JUANO, FIRST NAME WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT? I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR 26 YEARS.
AND WHAT DIVISION OR UNIT ARE YOU CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO? CAN YOU DESCRIBE, UH, YOUR POSITION AND WHAT THAT UNIT DOES? CURRENTLY I'M WORKING WITH THE, UH, UH, VICE LICENSING DEPARTMENT UNIT.
UH, WE REPRESENT THE CHIEF OF POLICE, UH, FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS IN ALL PLA HEARINGS.
OUR JOB CONSISTS OF, UM, UH, REVIEWING APPLICATIONS, WELL, RECEIVING APPLICATIONS FOR S O B SEXUAL ORIENTED BUSINESSES, DENNIS HALL LICENSES, AMUSEMENT CENTER LICENSES, VILLAGE HALL LICENSES, AS WELL AS THE LATE HOUR LICENSE.
WE REVIEW ALL THESE DOCUMENTS OR, UH, THE APPLICATIONS AND VERIFY THAT ALL THE DOC RE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS ARE IN THAT PACKET.
AND WE PROCESS THE APPLICATION, SENT APPROVAL LETTERS AND CONDUCT SOME INSPECTIONS OF SOME OF THESE, UH, BUSINESSES.
BRIAN, UH, I THINK YOU ADDRESSED A LITTLE BIT OF THIS, BUT CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A BRIEF SUMMARY OF HOW THE PERMITTING PROCESS WORKS FROM THE BEGINNING TO WHERE WE ARE NOW? I'M SORRY IF I'M INTERRUPTING.
I'M, I'M NOT ABLE TO HEAR ANYTHING.
UM, IS A MICROPHONE NOT ON? POSSIBLY.
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NOW? YOU, YOU MAY NEED TO BIT CLOSER TO YOUR MOUTH.HOW ABOUT NOW? YES, THAT'S PERFECT.
STILL, STILL NOT HEARING ANYTHING? ARE YOU WAITING IF WE, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY RESPONSE TO THE BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
UM, AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW IF I CAN HEAR YOU OR NOT.
HOW ABOUT NOW? YOU CAN HEAR ME RIGHT? YES.
UM, AGAIN, WE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR A DANCE HALL LICENSE.
UH, IT COULD BE A S O B DANCE HALL, ABUSEMENT CENTER, OR VILLAGE HALL, IN THIS CASE, A LATE HOURS, UM, APPLICATION.
ONCE WE DO SO, WE'LL PROCESS ALL THE DOCUMENTS, WE'LL LOOK, REVIEW THE DOCUMENTS, WE'LL VERIFY THE DOCUMENTS.
UH, MANY TIMES WE'LL GO TO THAT LOCATION AND SEE WHERE IT LAYS AT.
UH, ONCE WE VERIFY ALL THESE DOCUMENTS OR MAKE SURE THAT THE PACKET IS COMPLETE, WE'LL HAVE IT APPROVED BY OUR SUPERVISOR, OUR SUPERVISOR SIGN OFF ON THAT.
AND THEN FROM THERE IT GOES TO, UH, CITY ATTORNEY.
ONCE THEY SIGN OFF ON IT, WE'LL SUBMIT.
WE WILL, UH, CONTACT THE APPLICANT AND SU AND UH, GIVE THEM AN A, UH, UH, APPROVAL LETTER WHERE THEY COULD JUST GO AHEAD AND GO TO CEDAR HALL AND GET THEIR PERMITS.
HAVE YOU, UH, BEEN OUT TO VISIT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, RODEO WEST? YES, UH, I'VE BEEN THERE.
UH, WE ACTUALLY DID AN INSPECTION LAST YEAR AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT LED TO, UH, THE ESTABLISHMENT COMING TO THE, UH, UM, TO OBTAINING THEIR, UH, DANCE HALL LICENSE.
CUZ THEY, WE LEARNED THAT THERE WAS NO DANCE HALL LESSONS AT THAT TIME.
THEY ACTUALLY, WHEN WE MADE CONTACT, THEY WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND IMMEDIATELY A MONTH LATER THEY APPLIED FOR THEIR DANCE HALL LICENSE.
THEY WERE ABLE TO GET THEIR DANCE HALL LICENSE, BUT, UH, WE LEARNED THAT THEY WANTED TO STAY OPEN THAT ONE ADDITIONAL HOUR AND THAT ONE ADDITIONAL HOUR REQUIRES THEM TO OBTAIN A, A LATE HOURS PERMIT.
WE'VE, UM, GONE SEEN THE PROPERTY AND WE'VE WALKED THE PROPERTY.
AND THE, THE, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN CHARACTERIZED AS A LATE NIGHT HOURS CLUB IN A DANCE HALL.
WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT CHARACTERIZATION? YES.
IT'S CONSIDERED A, UH, LATE HOURS CUZ OF THE, UH, UH, APPLICATION THAT THEY SUBMITTED.
UH, SO JUST TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW IS THAT, UM, I KNOW INITIALLY YOU SPOKE ABOUT T B C LATE HOURS, A TB T BBC LATE HOURS PERMIT IS NOT THE SAME AS A LATE HOURS PERMIT WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS T BBC LATES PERMITS ONLY ALLOWS THE ESTABLISHMENT, YES, THEY'VE HAD ONE, BUT THAT ALLOWS 'EM TO, UH, CONSUME ALCOHOL FROM TWO, OR SELL THE ALCOHOL FROM TWO, UH, MIDNIGHT TO 2:00 AM A LATE HOURS PERMIT THAT THEY'RE APPLYING RIGHT NOW ALLOWS A BUSINESS TO OPERATE FROM TO AN EXTENDED HOUR TO 4:00 AM FROM TWO TO FOUR.
CURRENTLY THEY DO HAVE THAT PERMIT AS A DANCE ALL TO OPERATE ALL THE WAY UP TO 2:00 AM AND EVERY BUSINESS, OF COURSE, AT THAT TIME STOPPED SOUTHERN.
UH, AND ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA SURROUNDING, UH, RODEO WEST? YES.
UM, FAMILIAR WITH THE AREAS SURROUNDING THE, UH, ROADWAY WEST? THE APARTMENTS COMPLEX IS AROUND THERE.
UH, SO ONCE AGAIN, I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, BUT CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY THIS LATE NIGHT HOURS PERMIT WAS DENIED? THE DENIAL OF PERMIT IS NOT A, UH, UM, THE APPROVAL OR DENIAL IS NOT, UH, IT'S IS UPON THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, UM, UH, CITY ORDINANCE CODE.
AND A LOT OF IT IS, IF IT LIES, IF THERE'S A ESTABLISHMENT THAT'S APPLYING FOR LATE HOURS PERMIT AND WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET, IT AUTOMATICALLY GETS DENIED.
WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE CITY ORDINANCE CODE TELLS US.
AND, UH, TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION EVER HAD A CITY OF DALLAS LATE NIGHT HOURS PERMIT? NO, IT'S, UH, TO MY MY KNOWLEDGE NEVER HAD ONE REVIEWS THAT I HAD.
UH, IT'S NEVER HAD A LATE HOURS, UH, PERMIT.
AND SO IS, I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THIS AS WELL, BUT IS THIS A COMMON, UH, DENIAL AND A COMMON PROCESS FOR BUSINESSES LIKE THIS? YES.
UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A COMMON, UH, THEY DID OBTAIN THEIR DANCE HALL LICENSE, THEIR UH, COM, THEY COMPLIED WITH THAT.
AND AGAIN, THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY JUST WANTED TO STAY THAT ONE ADDITIONAL HOUR WORK TO ASSIST ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS TO LEAVE THE ESTABLISHMENT COMFORTABLY.
SO THEY WANTED TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 3:00 AM SO THAT'S WHEN I ACTUALLY ADDRESSED AND SAID THAT
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THEY WOULD NEED A LATE HOURS PERMIT, UH, ONLY CUZ THE, THERE ARE THOSE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THEIR, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT IS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET.UH, I'D LIKE TO PIVOT A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT THE CRIME STATISTICS IN THE AREA.
SO WE'LL BE REFERRING TO A TAB SEVEN OF THE CITY'S EXHIBIT BINDER STARTING ON, UH, I BELIEVE PAGE 33, THE OFFENSE REPORT.
UM, SO JUST A GENERAL QUESTION, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN ONE OF THESE LATE NIGHT, UH, HOURS DENIAL APPEALS COMES UP, UH, DO YOU REFER TO THE CRIMINAL HISTORY FOR THE LOCATION AND FOR THE AREA? AND CAN YOU DESCRIBE THAT PROCESS A LITTLE BIT? CAN CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? UH, SO WHEN, WHEN ONE OF THESE APPEALS COMES UP FOR A DENIAL OF LATE HOURS PERMIT, UH, IS PART OF YOUR REGULAR PROCESS TO EXAMINE THE, THE, UM, THE CRIMINAL HISTORY FOR THE LOCATION AND FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA, IS THAT NORMAL IN THIS SITUATION? YES.
THAT'S NORMAL IN THIS SITUATION TO REVIEW THE, ALL THE OFFENSES AND EVERYTHING THAT OCCURS IN THAT, IN THAT AREA THAT WAS IN.
AND IS THERE ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING FOR, UH, IN THAT CRIMINAL HISTORY? IS IT, IS IT ALL CRIME? ANY CRIME? ARE THERE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING OUT FOR FOR THESE TYPE OF PERMITS? WHENEVER WE REVIEW, I RUN A DATA OF ALL THE CALLS THAT ARE, UH, THAT ARE, THAT HAVE BEEN LISTED OR ALL THESE OFFENSES REPORTS THAT HAD BEEN GENERATED IN THAT PROPERTY.
UM, FROM THOSE, A LOT OF TIMES I'LL SEPARATE IT ALSO, THE, IF THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A LATE HOURS, I'LL TRY TO SEPARATE THE CALLS THAT ARE GENERATED BETWEEN THE 2:00 AM AND THE 4:00 AM TO SHOW THAT THESE ARE THE CALLS THAT WERE LISTED DURING THAT LATE HOUR OF ALL PROBATION.
SO, UH, AND I WILL, I WILL ALLOW YOU THE FREEDOM TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT THIS HOW YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, BUT JUST CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU FOUND REGARDING THE CRIME AT THIS PROPERTY, BOTH IN GENERAL, UH, AND IN THE TWO TO 4:00 AM RANGE? UH, JUST ANYTHING NOTABLE THAT YOU THINK THE BOARD SHOULD HEAR, UM, AND, AND WHAT THE CRIME LIKE THROUGH THE REVIEW.
UH, WE NORMALLY GO A YEAR SINCE THEY APPLIED AND GOT OBTAINED THEIR DANCE HALL LICENSE.
I GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THAT ONE YEAR.
PRIOR TO THAT, UM, FROM THAT YEAR, I FOUND THAT THERE WAS ONLY, UH, INCIDENTS CALLS MADE TO 9 1 1.
THERE WAS ONLY 50 OF THOSE, UH, TOTAL OFFENSE REPORT ADDRESS WERE 34 TOTAL OFFENSES REPORTED, UH, AT RODEO WEST FROM ALL THOSE WERE ONLY 16, UM, TOTAL OFFENSES BETWEEN 2:00 AM AND 4:00 AM BETWEEN THAT RANGE WAS ONLY SIX, WHICH IS VERY SMALL NUMBER COMPARED TO WE HAVE 365 DAYS OUT THERE.
AND OTHER, UH, COMPARED TO OTHER, UM, BUSINESSES OUT THERE, IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF CALLS.
SO, UH, NONE OF THOSE, NONE OF THOSE CALLS WERE FOR ANYTHING, UH, SO SEVERE THAT IT GAVE YOU ANY SORT OF CONCERN ABOUT THIS, THIS LICENSE BEING ISSUED? NONE.
A LOT OF 'EM WERE THE ROUTINE, WHICH IS A LOT.
UM, THE CALLS THAT THEY HAD WERE BURGLARY OF REBUILDING CRIMINAL TRESPASS ACCIDENTS IN THEIR BURGLARY MOTOR VEHICLES, UH, PUBLIC INTOXICATION.
THEY HAD THREE OF THOSE, WHICH A LOT OF TIMES IT'S, UH, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S, I CAN'T SAY IT'S GOOD, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, THAT SHOWS THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT IS POSSIBLY STOPPING SOMEBODY FROM DRIVING OUT THERE, MAYBE NOT GIVING UP THE KEYS.
SO THAT'S WHEN POLICE THAT GET CALLED OR INCIDENT OCCURS AND THEY ACTUALLY ARE CALLED TO HAVE THIS PERSON REMOVED.
UH, WE'VE HAD ASSAULTS, UH, ONE A FAMILY VIOLENCE ASSAULT, ANOTHER ONE, UH, INJURED PERSON, TWO THEFT ONE, STOLEN VEHICLES THREE.
UH, THERE WAS A, WE CALL THE, THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS A, UH, SEX ASSAULT KIDNAPPING, WHICH OCCURRED NOT THERE, BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE FROM IRVING.
BUT IT WAS, IT WAS INITIATED THERE CALL.
AND, UH, SO WE HEARD, UH, MR. ELLIS TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS SECURITY SET.
UH, ARE YOU, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO OBSERVE OR, OR DISCUSS ANY OF HIS SECURITY? UH, PRO, SORRY, LOSING MY WORDS, UM, THE STEPS.
DID YOU REVIEW THE, THE SECURITY, UH, IMPLEMENTED AT RODEO WEST? ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH IT? YES, I SPOKE TO MR. ELLIOTS INITIALLY WHEN I, UH, STARTED
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MY INVESTIGATION.UH, HE DID MENTION ABOUT THE SECURITY IT HAS IN INSIDE AS WELL AS OUTSIDE.
UH, HE DID MENTION, AS HE MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT HE HAS SECURITIES AT EACH DOOR TO VER UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY, UH, THOSE DOORS REMAIN CLOSED, NOBODY GOES IN AND OUT.
UM, UH, HE MENTIONED THAT HE HAS SECURITY, UH, QUITE A BIT OF STAFF WORKING INSIDE AND THAT HE MAKES SURE THAT, UM, THEY THEMSELVES ARE AT, ON THEIR, WHENEVER THEY STOP.
WHAT HE MENTIONED TO ME WAS THAT AT 2:00 AM HE DOES STOP.
SO DRINKS, MAKE DRINKS ARE PICKED UP AND DEFINITELY PICKED UP BY TWO 15.
EVERYTHING HAS TO BE PICKED UP FROM THE, UH, FROM THE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND THEREAFTER HE PLAYS, UH, UM, MORE OF A COUNTRY MUSIC AND HE PLAYS, UH, BALLADS AND TRIES TO MAKE EVERYBODY LEAVE AT STAGES, WHICH HELPS HIM AND HELPS CLEAR OUT THE PARKING LOT.
AND THAT'S WHY HE MENTIONED THAT HE NEEDED AT LEAST A 3:00 AM UH, KEEP THE, UH, BUSINESS OPEN AT LEAST AT 3:00 AM FOR THOSE REASONS.
UM, IT ALLOWS HIS CUSTOMERS TO LEAVE, UH, CALMLY I WOULD IMAGINE.
UM, I ASKED HIM ABOUT WHAT ABOUT, UM, PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE INTOXICATED.
HE SAYS HE HAS HIS UBER SYSTEM, AREA, UH, THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN PROBABLY CALL A FAMILY MEMBER OR CONTACT UBERS.
UM, HE HAS SECURITIES OUTSIDE AND HE DOES HAVE A, UH, INDIVIDUAL THAT'S WITH, UH, UH, LIGHTS GOING AROUND THE PROPERTY.
SO, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, TRYING TO PREVENT, I WOULD IMAGINE, UH, BMDS OR OTHER TYPES OF, UM, OFFENSE.
SO HE'S WORKING AND TRYING TO WORK WITH THE CITY AND, UH, MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A ENOUGH SECURITY OUT THERE.
SO GIVEN WHAT YOU FOUND IN YOUR CRIME REPORTS AND WHAT YOU KNOW OF THE SECURITY MEASURES THAT MR. ELLIS HAS IMPLEMENTED, ARE YOU SATISFIED THAT THE SECURITY IS, IS SUFFICIENT? YES, I AM.
AND, ALRIGHT, I WANTED TO, UH, ASK YOU ONE MORE THING IF, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT WAS, WERE THERE ANY COMPLAINTS, UH, SPECIFICALLY FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE D P D OR OTHERWISE FROM THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT'S WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS.
UH, THE, UM, THE STATUS THAT I, THE, THE COMPLAINTS, EVERY SINGLE COMPLAINT THAT I PULLED UP WAS FROM THAT AREA AND IT DIDN'T SHOW ANYTHING WITHIN, UH, LOUD MUSIC, UH, FROM
AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS, UH, LETTING YOU TAKE ALL OF YOUR WITNESSES AND THEN, UH, HAVING QUESTION OF THEM, QUESTIONING OF THEM.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER WITNESSES? I DO NOT.
UM, AND UH, MS. CANNON, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR THE CITY OR ITS WITNESSES? WITNESS? UM, NO SIR.
BUT THE ESTABLISHMENT DID RECEIVE THIS PERMIT WE'RE REQUESTING, UH, BE GRANTED IN 2019, THIS SPECIFIC DANCE HALL, LATE HOURS.
SO THEY DID HAVE IT AT ONE TIME.
UM, SO WE'LL NOW HAVE BOARD QUESTIONING OF, UH, THE CITY BEGINNING WITH MS. AYALA.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OR ITS WITNESSES? NO, I DON'T.
UH, MS. WILLIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OR WITNESSES? NO, I DON'T.
YOU, MS. TORRES, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OR WITNESSES? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UH, DETECTIVE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, YOU MENTIONED FROM 2:00 AM TO 4:00 AM THAT'S KIND OF, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE REPORT, YOU KNOW, THE REPORT ONLY SHOWS THESE SIX INCIDENTS.
NOW YOU MENTIONED LIKE, I GUESS COMPARED TO YOUR OTHER SIMILAR, UH, APPLICATIONS, THIS IS FEW, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
AND DO YOU THINK THAT IT COULD ALSO POSSIBLY BE THAT THEY, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE OPENED AT 2:00 AM UM, DO YOU, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT MAY, MAY BE WHY THERE'S SO FEW? OR DO YOU THINK IT'S IT'S AS A RESULT OF THEIR SECURITY AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING ON THEIR END? I WANNA SAY IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, I DON'T, UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S ALL ABOUT THEIR SECURITY.
MAYBE IT'S THE WAY THEY, UH, THEM WHETHER THE OTHER BUSINESSES RUNNING.
UM, ALL I SHOW IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY HAVE A VERY LOW NUMBER OF
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CALLS TO POLICE OR THEY HAVE RESPONDED DURING THOSE TIMES.UM, UM, ALL I DID, UH, ALL I COULD SAY IS SPEAK ABOUT THE DATA THAT'S OUT THERE.
UH, IT COULD BE A TWO, IT COULD BE A THREE OR SO.
UH, PEOPLE HANGING OUT THERE AND IT DOESN'T SHOW THAT, UH, I THINK PEOPLE THERE, LIKE THEY MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S A RESTAURANT, IT'S A, UH, UH, EVENT CENTER MM-HMM.
SO YES, YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LEAVING AT THE SAME TIME, BUT IT MAYBE EVERYBODY IS LEAVING.
UM, AND I THINK THAT ONE HOUR, I THINK IT, IT WILL SLOW DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
AT LEAST IT GETS PEOPLE OUT THERE.
THE THING IS THIS COULD GIVE 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAY OPEN TILL 4:00 AM AND WE'VE GOT, UH, NO REAL GUARANTEE THAT THEY WON'T, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T, THEY WILL ONLY USE THAT ONE HOUR CAUSE THEY REALLY HAPPEN UNTIL 4:00 AM SO CORRECT.
THIS MAY CREATE SOMETHING THERE.
DO YOU SEE THAT HAPPENING? YES.
WELL I SEE THAT THEIR APPLICATION, WHEN THEY PUT SUBMITTED THEIR APPLICATION, THEY DID SPECIFY THAT THEY WANTED TO STAY UP UNTIL 3:00 AM UM, YOU KNOW, UM, ALL I COULD SPEAK IS TO, OF THE NUMBERS FROM TWO THROUGH 4:00 AM AND ALL I SHOWED IS THIS IS WHAT I SHOWED AND I DON'T SHOW ANY OTHER, UM, THEM OR THEY'RE STAYING OPEN TO 4:00 AM I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
WE HAVE NONE OF THAT, BUT IT'S, IT'S UP TO THE BUSINESS AND AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
UM, BUT I DON'T SHOW ANY LOTS OF CALLS AFTER THAT.
AND THEN, UM, WHENEVER A POLICE OFFICER GETS A PHONE CALL, UM, YOU KNOW, CUZ THIS IS A BIG, BIG SPACE WITH MULTIPLE SUITES.
THESE ARE PARTICULAR, THEY WERE LIKE, I WAS AT DALLAS, UH, WEST OR LIKE, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHERE TO ALLOCATE THE OFFENSE TO? WHAT I DID WAS I PULLED ALL THE REPORTS.
THERE WERE ALL THE 9 1 1 CALLS FROM THERE AND I'D ACTUALLY REVIEWED EACH ONE OF THOSE AND I WENT THROUGH THOSE.
AND ANYTHING THAT MENTIONED ROTOR WEST IS THE ONES THAT I ISOLATED IT TO ON TIME.
CAUSE THERE WAS A FEW OF 'EM THAT REG LISTED THE MARIA RESTAURANT WHERE THERE WAS A COUPLE OF STOLEN VEHICLES FROM THERE.
BUT AGAIN, AND IT WAS AT, AT DIFFERENT TIMES.
UH, WHEN IS THE BUSINESS OPEN? MORE LATE, MORE LIKELY A DANCE HALL LICENSE OR A, UH, ROAD WEST WOULD OPEN UP AT, UH, 7:00 PM OR 8:00 PM COMPARED TO A, UH, A RESTAURANT OR SEAFOOD RESTAURANT.
MARIA WOULD BE OPEN SINCE 12 NOON.
SOME OF THESE STOLEN REPORTS OR STOLEN CAR REPORTS WERE GENERATED AT 2:00 PM SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, AND THEN YOU READ THROUGH 'EM AND IT SAYS, I WAS AT THE RESTAURANT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I SEPARATED THOSE.
UH, MR. CILLA, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY? YES, I DO ACTUALLY.
I HAD, UH, SOME CLARIFICATION.
UM, DETECTIVE, WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, THERE'S BEEN POLICE INFORMATION BACK AND FORTH ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS A PERMIT, WHETHER THERE WASN'T A PERMIT IN 2019.
ARE YOU AWARE OF A LATE NIGHT PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED IN 2019? I'M NOT AWARE OF.
RELATED TO THE CITY OF DALLAS? YES SIR.
I'M NOT AWARE OF A CITY OF DALLAS LATER PERMIT.
AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS, OKAY, THANK YOU.
AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS IN REGARD TO, UM, WHEN YOU WENT OUT THERE, I GUESS A YEAR AGO, WERE THEY, WERE THEY, SINCE THEY DID NOT HAVE THE PERMIT AT THAT TIME, WERE THEY OPEN AFTER 2:00 AM ALREADY OR WAS THEY, WERE THEY STILL JUST ADHERING TO 2:00 AM CLOSURE? WELL, WE WENT OUT THERE AND, UH, UH, LEMME SEE THE EXACT DATE WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE, UH, UH, WHEN WE WENT OUT THERE, THAT WAS ON 1217 OF 2022, WE WENT OUT THERE.
AS A, UH, VICE UNIT, UH, LICENSING AND CONDUCTED AN INSPECTION.
UH, WHEN WE WENT THERE, UH, WE NORMALLY REQUEST TO SEE THEIR PERMITS AND ALL THEIR PERMITS AS WELL AS T A B C AND SEE 'EM DOWN AS PERMITS.
THEY DID NOT HAVE A DANCE HALL LICENSE AT THAT TIME, SO THAT'S WHEN WE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE THAT THEY REQUIRED.
SO I REALIZED THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE DANCE.
AND THE TIME THAT NO PROBLEM, SIR.
AND THE, WHEN WE DID, I WANNA SAY WHEN WE SHOWED UP THERE, IT MUST HAVE BEEN AROUND, UH, 1231 O'CLOCK.
SO IT WAS DURING THE TIME, IT WAS STILL DURING THAT, THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION PRIOR TO 2:00 AM SO WE NEVER MADE IT THERE AFTER 2:00 AM ARE ARE YOU AWARE OF WHICH, WHICH LE GO AHEAD.
DID YOU COMPLETE YOUR RESPONSE? I APOLOGIZE.
YOU, YOU WERE ABLE TO CUT OFF, BUT YES.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO BE THERE AND
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ACTUALLY WE ADDRESSED THE ISSUE.THEY, THE FOLLOWING MONTH, AS YOU SEE IN JANUARY, THEY APPLIED FOR A DANCE HALL LICENSE.
SO THEY, UH, PROVIDED ALL DOCUMENTS AND ACT.
ACTUALLY, WE PROCESSED THE APP APPLICATION FOR A DANCE HALL.
AND THEN ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY TIME WHEN THEY DID NOT HAVE THIS LATE NIGHT PERMIT? WERE THEY IN VIOLATION OF BEING OPEN AFTER 2:00 AM NO, SIR.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORDS OF ANYTHING.
UH, WE NEVER DATE AN INSPECTION AFTER 2:00 AM AND NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
UH, MR. HAYES, UM, I'M, I'M SURE I'M ASKING THIS OF, UH, THE DETECTIVE OR THE OF THE ATTORNEY, BUT IF A BUSINESS WAS AUTHORIZED TO STAY OPEN AND SERVE ALCOHOL UNTIL 2:00 AM AND AT 2:00 AM THEY OFFICIALLY CLOSED, BUT NO LONGER SERVED ANY ALCOHOL OR DRINKS OR ANYTHING YET, IT PHYSICALLY TAKES A LITTLE WHILE TO GET EVERYBODY OUT OF THE BUILDING.
ARE THEY ACTUALLY IN VIOLATION OF THE, OF THE ORDINANCE IF THAT'S HOW THEY'RE OPERATING? I, I WILL DEFER TO DETECTIVE MONTREAL IF HE HAS ANY INFORMATION ON THAT.
I, I AM NOT, UH, CERTAIN OF THE ANSWER TO THAT.
SO ARE ARE YOU ASKING, ARE THEY IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF DO YES.
YOU, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION, SIR? IF, IF A BUSINESS WITH THIS BUSINESS OR ONE SIMILAR TO IT STOP SELLING ALCOHOL, DOESN'T HAVE ANY MUSIC, TURNS OFF THE DISC JOCKEY OR WHATEVER, AND BASICALLY DIMS THE LIGHTS AND SAYS, OKAY, WE'RE CLOSED.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO GET 800 PEOPLE OUT OF THE BUILDING, AS WE'VE ALL CLEARLY RECOGNIZED, IF THAT'S HOW THE BUSINESS IS OPERATING, ARE THEY AT THE MOMENT TECHNICALLY IN VIOLATION OF THE CITY ORDINANCE OR ARE THEY NOT? I DON'T SEE THEM AS VIOLATION CUZ THEY'RE ACTUALLY OPENING THE DOORS AND ALLOWING EVERYBODY TO EXIT, UH, AS QUICKLY AS IT WELL, OKAY.
SO AS LONG AS, AS PEOPLE IN THEIR PAST 2:00 AM THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.
NOT AS LONG PEOPLE ARE, UH, PEOPLE ARE STILL IN THERE, BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY LEAVING.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ACKNOW.
YOU DO OR DO NOT? DO NOT, DO NOT.
UH, MR. QUINN, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I ACTUALLY DO, SIR.
SO, KNOWING, UH, DETECTIVE, I'D LIKE TO DIRECT THIS AT YOU.
SO KNOWING THEY HAVE UPWARDS OF 800, UH, PATRONS ON A GIVEN NIGHT, AND THEY'RE OPEN ROUGHLY 110 NIGHTS A YEAR, UM, I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED WITH A LOW NUMBER OF, UM, UH, RE REPORTS OR INCIDENTS THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY NOT A HABITUAL CRIME, UM, PROPERTY OR A DETRIMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I GUESS MY ONE SINGLE QUESTION IS, CAN YOU SEE ANY REASON WHATSOEVER TO DENY THIS PERMIT? NO, SIR.
UM, I, I WAS GOING TO ASK, UM, MR. QUINN'S QUESTION.
UH, ACTUALLY BOTH MR. AND MR. QUINN, UH, TOOK MY QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU, DETECTIVE, IS, UM, JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAP, IT'S ON, AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IT, YEAH, IT'S TAB SIX OF THE CITY'S EXHIBIT, AND IT'S THE AERIAL VIEW SHOWING THE, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES AND THE THE THOUSAND FOOT RADIUS.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF APARTMENT UNITS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT THOUSAND FOOT RADIUS.
UM, IS THIS AN, AND THERE'S ALSO A BUNCH OF UNDEVELOPED LAND.
IS THIS AN AREA THAT IS CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT? ARE THESE NEWER APARTMENTS? UM, WHAT, WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT, UM, THAT COMPLEX THAT IS WITHIN THAT RADIUS? THAT'S ACTUALLY A, UM, UM, THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A BIT OF YEARS, I THINK EVER SINCE I STARTED DEPLOYING 26 A YEAR.
UH, SO THEY'VE BEEN THERE, UM, EAST OF THAT, WHERE THE EAST OF THAT, UH, WHERE THE MAP SHOWS THAT'S REMAINS THAT WAY.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A GOLF COURSE OUT THERE.
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I INITIALLY, 10 YEARS AGO, THEY HAD STARTED A GOLF COURSE OUT THERE, THERE I THINK SOMETHING HAPPENED AND BURNED DOWN.SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S EVER HAPPENED EVER SINCE.
BUT NO, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ANYTHING OUT THERE EAST OF THAT PROPERTY WHERE YOU SEE ALL THAT, UH, HEAVY VEGETATION.
SO IN, IN YOUR OPINION, THERE'S NOT A PROGRAM OF RENEWAL.
THIS ISN'T AN AREA THAT'S IN DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE INTERFERED.
WITH, UM, A ALSO THIS, I MEAN, LOOK AT THIS MAP.
I, I SEE 144 FEET AND 75 FEET.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THOSE ARE MEASURING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THOSE APARTMENTS ARE QUITE CLOSE TO THE ESTABLISHMENT, PROBABLY CLOSER THAN MOST OF THESE, UH, EXEMPTION REQUESTS THAT WE DEAL WITH.
UM, BUT I NOTE THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A WALL IN BETWEEN THERE.
SO WERE YOU ABLE TO, OR DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHETHER, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY, THESE APARTMENTS MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY NOISE AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE CLUB THAT CLOSE? WHEN WE WENT UP BY, BY THERE THAT EVENING TO CONDUCTED INSPECTION, THERE WAS NO SOUND COMING OUT.
UH, UH, IT WAS, UH, WE DID AN INSPECTION WITH NOT ONLY US, BUT CODE ABORTION AND FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH US.
UH, SO IT'S, UH, IT'S A FAIRLY, THAT BUILDING IS A VERY, UH, FAIRLY NEW BUILDING.
AND I THINK THE, UH, UH, RODEO WEST HAS DONE A UPGRADE.
UH, I GUESS THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF AD ADDONS TO THEIR BUSINESS.
SO, UM, UH, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANY MUSIC COMING OUT OF THERE.
THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE.
UM, SO I THINK AT THIS POINT WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH, BRIEF CLOSING STATEMENTS, UH, IF EACH SIDE WANTS TO TAKE OH, OKAY.
FIVE MINUTES FOR A CLOSING STATEMENT, UH, BEGINNING WITH THE APPELLANT.
UH, MS. CANNON, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.
UM, ON BEHALF OF RODEO WEST DALLAS, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL OF THE LATE HOURS IN ORDER TO SAFELY, UH, DISPERSE AFTER THE CLOSING OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
WE WILL TAKE EVERY, THE CLIENT IS TAKING EVERY PRECAUTION TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE DO NOT DRIVE INTOXICATED, TO MAKE SURE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT DISTURBED IN ANY WAY.
AND, UM, TO RUN, UM, AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT, UH, REFLECTS BEING A GOOD BUSINESS OWNER IN DALLAS.
UH, MR. SKINNER, YOU HAVE, UH, FIVE MINUTES FOR CLOSING.
UM, THAT IS THE END OF ARGUMENT AND DISCUSSION.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD REGARDING THE CITY'S DENIAL OF THE DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT? THAT THAT IS, UH, RODEO WEST'S REQUEST FOR AN EXEMPTION, UM, TO THE LOCATIONAL RESTRICTIONS FOR THE DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT.
IS THERE A MOTION IN FAVOR OR AGAINST GRANTING THE EXEMPTION? MR. HAY? I MOVE THAT, UH, WE GRANT THE EXEMPTION TO THE CITY ORDINANCE AND ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A LATE HOURS PERMIT ANY SECOND.
UH, BUT I THINK I HEARD MS. AYALA FIRST.
UM, WE'LL NOW DISCUSS THE MOTION.
MR. HAYES, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF YOUR MOTION? I THINK THAT WE'VE BASICALLY HEARD THAT, UH, THIS IS A WELL RUN ESTABLISHMENT, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO ALL THE RIGHT THINGS, AND THE DETECTIVE HAD, UH, HAS SECONDED THAT OPINION.
AND, UH, WE'RE BASICALLY RULING ON A TECHNICALITY.
I I WAS CONCERNED COMING IN ABOUT THE REALLY CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THOSE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE PRESENCE OF THAT 18 FOOT HIGH WALL, AND WITH THE FACT THAT THE DETECTIVE HAS SAID HE IS NOT AWARE OF ANY COMPLAINTS FROM THE APARTMENTS, UH, HAS KIND OF PERSUADED MY CONCERNS.
THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THE MOTION.
UH, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE MOTION? IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? OKAY.
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FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN UH, WE WILL VOTE ON THE MOTION.AND THE MOTION IS BY MR. HAYES TO, UH, REVERSE THE DECISION OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE DENYING THE DANCE HALL LATE HOURS PERMIT AND GRANT AN EXEMPTION, UH, FOR RODEO WEST DALLAS.
UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, ALL BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR CAMERAS AND MICROPHONES ARE ON.
AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THE MOTION PASSES BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.
UH, UM, OUR NEXT MEETING OF THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD IS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 1ST AT 8:30 AM AND SINCE THERE'S NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS HEARING IS CONCLUDED AT 10 43.