[City Planning Commission]
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MS. PASINA, CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL? YES.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
SHE DID DISTRICT SIX, PRESENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. PASINA.
GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 4TH, 1230 9:00 PM AND WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
UH, WE DO HAVE THESE, UH, LITTLE YELLOW SHEETS DOWN HERE AT THIS TABLE TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
UM, THEY'RE FOR YOU TO REGISTER YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
WE WOULD SURELY HAVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT AT SOME POINT TODAY.
WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE, COME DOWN AND FILL ONE OF THESE CARDS.
YOU CAN JUST LEAVE 'EM THERE ON THE TABLE.
UH, SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON CASES WHERE WE DO HAVE OPPOSITION.
THE APPLICANT FOR OUR RULES WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
WE, WE'LL HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.
AND WORKING STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, AND, UH, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE A VERY SPECIAL GROUP OF VISITORS HERE WITH US TODAY.
WE HAVE SOME STUDENTS FROM CITY LIVE HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, ACTUALLY, UH, CITY LAB IS A VERY SPECIAL SCHOOL FOR ME.
I HAD THE, THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING ON THE, THE FOUNDING, UH, BOARD.
UH, ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE MR. PETER GOLDSTEIN, WHO'S, WHO'S UP THERE.
UH, CO-FOUNDER OF CITY LAB ARCHITECT ALL AROUND.
UH, AND, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE ON, ON CLUB AS WELL.
UH, LET ME JUST READ THE, THEY HAVE A VERY GOOD, INTERESTING MISSION STATEMENT, UH, THAT CITY LED HIGH SCHOOL, UH, IS A MISSION, IS TO PREPARE AND CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR STUDENTS TO BECOME THE NEXT GENERATION OF CITIZENS, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS AND CIVIC LEADERS, EQUIPPED WITH AN APPRECIATION AND HOLISTIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT AND THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS TO DESIGN, BUILD, AND PARTICIPATE IN THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.
SO, I WELCOME YOU, UH, THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE FOR YOU TO, UH, TO ADD TO THIS MISSION.
AND, AND, UH, MR. GOLDSTEIN, IF WE COULD JUST WORDSMITH A LITTLE BIT AND ADD FUTURE PLAN COMMISSIONER TO THIS MISSION WOULD BE GREAT.
WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED INTO THE DOCKET.
UH, START WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE REVIEWED THE MINUTES ON MS. PAS COMPUTER AND NO OF NO CORRECTIONS TO THEM.
UH, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM, BUT I WILL GLADLY AMEND THAT TO HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT CUZ I RECOGNIZE THAT NONE OF THE REST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THEM.
UM, BUT WITH THAT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 20TH, 2023 CITY PLAIN COMMISSION HEARING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT FOR YOUR SECOND FOR THE APPROVAL OF AMENDMENTS PER MS. PA'S COMPUTER.
ANY DISCUSSION, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER STAN? YES, BECAUSE I TRUST COMMISSIONER YOUNG IMPLICITLY
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, LADIES, JEROME WILL NOW MOVE INTO OUR ZONING CASES.
IT'S, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN THIS, THE NINE YEARS ON THE PLANE COMMISSION.
SO, UH, I'M, WE'RE HOPING THIS WILL BE A NICE INTERESTING ONE FOR YOU, FOR THE STUDENTS.
ACTUALLY, MR. BALDWIN, LET, LET US JUST READ THIS INTO THE RECORD REAL QUICK AND THEN WE'LL GET TO YOU.
ITEM ONE IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR WMU FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTY ZONED IN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH
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HASKILL AVENUE, SOUTHEAST OF INTERSTATE 30.STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED AND EXHIBIT A AS BRIEFED.
I'LL SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ROB BALDMAN 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B HERE, REPRESENTING LARKSBURG DEVELOPMENT IN THIS REQUEST.
DO Y'ALL SEE MY PRESENTATION ON, DO Y'ALL SEE YOUR, MY PRESENTATION? NOT YET.
IT'S, UH, IF I COULD, IT'S CUEING UP.
HOLD MY TIME FOR A SECOND, PLEASE.
WE'RE
WE JUST CAN'T SEE THE PRESENTATION YET.
YOU WOULD THINK AFTER THREE YEARS I WOULD KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.
SO, UH, AGAIN, ROB BALDON 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B, REPRESENTING, UH, LARKSBURG DEVELOPMENT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK BOTH, UH, MICHAEL PEPE AND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON ON THIS.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS FINE TUNING THIS APPLICATION, AND I THINK IT'S IN A VERY GOOD, GOOD SPOT.
I KNOW THERE WAS A ROBUST, UH, DISCUSSION AT THE BRIEFING, AND I'LL GO BRIEFLY THROUGH MY, UH, PRESENTATION.
SO, UH, MIKE, IT'S NOT MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST, UH, EAST OF I 30 HERE, UM, ON HASKELL AVENUE, RIGHT OVER BY FAIR PARK AT THE TRAILHEAD OF THE SANTA FE TRAIL.
THIS IS A SCHEMATIC SHOWING WHAT THE, THE AREA'S GONNA LOOK LIKE AFTER DART TAKES THE, THE LAND.
KEEP IN MIND, THE FREEWAY'S GONNA BE SUNKEN AND HASKELL AND DART ARE GONNA COME ACROSS AS BRIDGES.
YOU CAN SEE OUR PROJECT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE RED DASH LINE.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ASH LANE AND THE EXISTING WAREHOUSE TO THE SOUTHWEST OF US, THEY WILL BE REMOVED.
MOST OF ASH WILL BE TAKEN AS PART OF THE CONDEMNATION.
WHAT LITTLE BITS LEFT? THERE WILL STILL BE TEXT OR CITY RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF OUR PROJECT.
IT'S CURRENTLY IMPROVED WITH, UH, SOME WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS, UH, SOME COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, AND WHAT USED TO BE CALLED GOAT RANCH, IF, IF YOU'RE DRIVEN BY THERE, IT HAS OLD CARS AND ACTUALLY HAS AN OLD AIRPLANE FUSELAGE THERE.
AND IT WAS KIND LIKE, UM, A REDNECK, UH, TRUCK YARD.
UH, THIS IS A, A BLOW UP OF THE SITE.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE DON'T GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CORNER OF PERRY, BUT ALMOST THE, THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED IR.
AND TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S QUESTION TODAY ABOUT RPS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, WE ARE IN THE PINK.
THAT'S ALL I AM TO THE NORTH IS CS.
AND, UH, SO THAT'S A HEAVY COMMERCIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO OUR WEST.
THAT IS PD 1002, WHICH IS BASED ON THE DEEP LM PD, BUT MODIFIED TO ADD SOME, SOME NEW, UH, ASPECTS.
AND THEN, UH, THE PEACH COLOR BELOW THAT IS ALL, UH, PD 2 69, WHICH IS DEEP EL WE'RE NOWHERE NEAR ANY SINGLE FAMILY ZONED LAND.
NOW, A LOT OF THE AREA IN THE BLUE WAS PLATTED A SINGLE FAMILY AND PROBABLY WAS SINGLE FAMILY AT ONE TIME.
AND THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES STILL THERE, BUT A LOT OF IT IS USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.
THIS IS A, A PHOTO OF THE SITE.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S LOW SLUNG, UH, RIGHT ALONG, UH, HASKELL.
THIS IS LOOKING BACK TOWARDS THE FREEWAY AND TO JUST DISCUSS WITH COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
HAMPTON BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE TWO-WAY OF, UH, HASKELL STREET.
UH, I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ON THIS AND HE IS MOVING THAT FORWARD AND WE APPLAUD THAT.
WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UH, HASKELL GO BACK TO TWO-WAY IN OUR, ON OUR PLAN, UH, ACCOUNTS FOR THAT.
SO WE ARE ASKING FOR A PD WITH A WMU FIVE, UH, AND WE'RE DOING THE PD AS, UH, MR. PEPPE SAID TO BRING IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND ALSO WE'RE PUTTING, THANK YOU, SIR.
UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.
MY CLIENTS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE? ANYONE ONLINE? NO.
MR. BALDWIN, CAN YOU PLEASE CONTINUE WITH THE SLIDE? OKAY.
WE, SO WE ORIGINALLY FILED FOR A PD THAT, UH, LOOKED JUST A LOT LIKE PD 1002, BUT AFTER SPEAKING WITH STAFF AND THE COMMISSIONER, THEY ASKED US TO DO
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A, A MIXED USE OR AN MU DISTRICT.AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE REALIZED THAT THAT DIDN'T GIVE THE, UM, THE CERTAINTY THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR BEING NEXT TO THE TRAIL.
WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TREATED THE TRAIL PROPERLY.
SO BETWEEN, UH, THE COMMISSIONER AND THE, THE CITY STAFF MEMBER, WE CAME UP WITH THAT PLAN THAT YOU SAW, THE FRONTAGE PLAN.
SO WE MAKE SURE TO ADDRESS THE TRAIL, UH, FOR OPENINGS, UH, KEEP PARKING AWAY FROM IT, TRANSPARENCY, UM, AND OTHER ITEMS. UM, ONE THING THAT YOU'LL NOTICE, UH, THIS IS A, A CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT ON THE FAR LEFT, TOP LEFT IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE CANTINA.
THAT'S GONNA BE A SMALL TRAIL ORIENTED RETAILER RESTAURANT SPACE THAT, UH, WILL, UH, BE ACCESS FROM THE TRAIL.
WE HAVE PROVISIONS IN HERE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS POINTS TO THE TRAIL, AT LEAST TWO OF THEM.
AND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FENCE ALONG THE TRAIL.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE OPEN AND IT'S GONNA BE VERY WELCOMING, UH, DESIGN WE'RE, WE UNDERSTAND THE, UM, IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO DO A GOOD DESIGN SINCE WE ARE ON, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT TRAIL.
AND WE'RE DOING THAT TO FURTHER THAT.
WE HAVE MET WITH, UH, FRIENDS OF THE SANTA FE TRAIL.
WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH, UH, UH, THE DEEP ELLEN FOUNDATION FAIR PARK, FIRST, UH, JUBILEE, HI JUBILEE PARK, UH, DOLPHIN HEIGHTS, AND ANYBODY THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE ASKED US TO MEET WITH, WE'VE, WE'VE MET WITH THEM AND WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO MEET.
AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S GONNA BE A MEETING ON MAY 23RD, AND WE WILL BE AT THAT MEETING.
BUT WE'RE GONNA ASK THAT YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TODAY, OR AT LEAST, UH, HOW WOULD YOU LIKE FOR YOU TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY? UH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
SO, UM, AGAIN, THIS WAS ONLY BROUGHT TO MY LIGHT ON TUESDAY.
UM, THE ENGAGEMENT, COULD YOU GIVE ME THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE, AT THESE ENGAGEMENTS? QUITE JUST A ROUNDABOUT FIGURE? SURE.
UM, IN EACH ONE, THE, THE FIRST MEETING WE HAD WITH, UH, THE NEIGHBORS IN PD ON THE, FOR THE, LET'S SAY WEST OF, UH, 30, I WOULD SAY THERE WAS EIGHT PEOPLE THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WE INVITED A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THAT.
UH, OUR FIRST MEETING WITH JUBILEE PARK, THERE WAS FIVE OR SIX.
THE SECOND ONE THERE WAS FOUR.
UM, UH, FOR THE DOLPHIN HEIGHTS, IT WAS THEIR REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING.
AND THERE WAS, IT WAS A FULL ROOM, BUT IT WAS NOT A BIG ROOM.
SO THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN EIGHT THERE, COMMISSIONER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE FAIR PARK FOUNDATION, OR THE FRIENDS IN FAIR PARK IN THE, UH, DEEP ELLEN FOUNDATION WAS AT THEIR REGULAR MEETINGS.
SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU ALL MEET WITH MILL CITY, WHO IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY, THEIR CLOSE PROXIMITY THAN DOLPHIN HEIGHTS? WE MET WITH WHO WE WERE TOLD TO, TO MEET WITH, AND, UM, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THAT, UH, DOLPHIN HEIGHTS WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, UH, IMPACTED BY THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO FAR AWAY.
UM, BUT WE MET WITH THEM CUZ WE WERE ASKED TO DO SO.
UM, IF WE WERE BEEN TOLD TO MEET WITH MILL CITY, WE WOULD'VE ALSO, WHAT WOULD MAYBE TO THE APPLICANT, UM, TO THE, THE LANDOWNER? I'M SORRY, MA'AM, TO THE LANDOWNER.
YOU HAVE A QUESTION? THE QUESTION FOR THE LANDOWNER ADDRESS.
HI, CARL ANDERSON, 1722 RUTH STREET.
DID YOU CONSIDER A LAW, UH, A A, UM, CONSIDER LIST STORIES IN THIS PROCESS? AND WHAT WAS YOUR, WHAT WAS YOUR DETERMINATION TO GO? SO, SO SEVEN STORIES, BASICALLY, IT'S GENERALLY THE MAXIMUM THAT CAN BE BUILT WITH WOOD FRAME CONSTRUCTION.
AND, AND, AND THE CONCERN WAS CONCERNING AROUND THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE AREA FACING GENTRIFICATION AND THE AREA HAVING SUCH A, DID THAT EVEN COME INTO CONSIDERATION? YES.
WE HAVE A 10% AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT IN THE PROJECT TO, TO HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, CREATING A MIXED USE.
SO THE, THE REASON ARE YOU OKAY WITH US HOLDING THIS AND, AND, AND THEN HAVING A MEETING WITH THE ACTUAL SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK COALITIONS? UM, SO TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THEY WERE DEFINITELY NOT NOTIFIED AND NOT YET, YEAH, A ABSOLUTELY.
WE, UM, LIKE ROB SAID, WE, UM, SPENT 10 MONTHS MEETING WITH GROUPS, HAPPY TO MEET WITH ANYONE AND EVERYONE.
WE CAST A PRETTY WIDE NET, BUT YEAH, WE'RE HAPPY TO MEET WITH, WITH THEM.
YEAH, THE QUESTION IS, DID YOU HOLD IT TO ME? YES, YES.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PREFERENCE.
NO, SHE WAS ASKING IF YOU WOULD HOLD THE, HAVE THE, THE NOT VOTE ON THIS TODAY, SO YOU CAN HAVE THE MEETING ON THE 20.
THAT'S, YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
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TO CBC, YOU WON'T GET TO CITY COUNCIL UNTIL AFTER, UNTIL AUGUST.I DO BELIEVE THAT IF, IF IT'S HELD, IT, IT STILL TO THE, IT WON'T.
SO IF WE CAN'T, WE, IF WE GO PAST THE JUNE 28TH COUNCIL DATE, THEN WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL DEADLINES.
WE HAVE TO BE BE AT THAT COUNCIL DATE.
AND I, AND I VERY MUCH UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, I MEAN, I, I'VE BEEN IN THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS ABOUT SIX, ALMOST SIX MONTHS.
I WASN'T NOTIFIED THE TUESDAY.
AND, AND IT ALSO WENT TO NEWS ON THE NEWS AND WHEN IT WENT TO NEWS.
SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING YOU THAT MM-HMM.
SO IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, AND I, AND I AND I UNDERSTAND THE DEADLINES, THAT'S THE, THE CLOSEST AVAILABLE DATE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, LET ME HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.
UM, I WILL LET YOU KNOW, AS YOU AND I SPOKE, UM, I SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU ON THIS, BUT I HAD SPOKEN WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER VAN SEVERAL TIMES ON THIS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER, AND I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD ADDRESSED THE, THE, THE CONCERNS OF THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT GONNA BE IN, UH, DISTRICT SEVEN UNTIL AFTER THE ZONING WAS DONE.
SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT REACHING OUT, UH, SOONER.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD CHECKED THAT BOX.
UM, CARL, YOU, YOU FALL OUT A CONTRACT IN JUNE, SO YOU THE, THE AUGUST DATE, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU OR NOT? NO, WE, I MEAN, WE'D BE, THE CASE WOULD BE DEAD AT THAT POINT.
SO I THINK THE ANSWER IS WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO VOTE ON THIS TODAY.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER STANDARD? YES.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO, WHICH ONE THIS IS FOR.
YOU CAN, HE'S, HE'S BETTER DECIDE AMONGST YOURSELVES.
MY QUESTION IS, DID DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GAVE, HAD ADEQUATE COMMUNITY MEETINGS GIVEN UP TILL TODAY? AND CLEARLY YOU CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ATTENDANCE, BUT, AND WHAT WAS BASICALLY YOUR NOTIFICATION LIST? WHAT DID YOU USE FOR THOSE THAT YOU FEEL THAT MAKES YOU FEEL IT WAS ADEQUATE? SO WE, I'LL ASK ROB TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT ON THE NOTIFICATION LIST, BUT WE ASKED THE, UH, COUNCILMAN'S OFFICE WHO TO MEET WITH.
WE WANTED TO RE MEET WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS LIKE WE ALWAYS DO IN A MATTER LIKE THIS.
UH, WE, I THINK, CAST A PRETTY WIDE NET.
IT WAS HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO SHOW UP.
I DON'T THINK WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, CARED TO BE INVOLVED, BUT WE MET WITH ANYONE AND EVERYONE WHO WOULD LISTEN.
AND I THINK WE DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF DOING THAT.
SO WE TOOK THE LEAD FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER'S OFFICE AND THE DISTRICT TWO COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, SAYING, WHO WOULD YOU LIKE US TO MEET WITH? WE, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE MET WITH THE DEEP ELLEN FOUNDATION.
IT HAS, UH, PD 2 69 RIGHT BEHIND US.
AND THEN THE NEIGHBORS, UH, WHO ARE PRETTY MUCH AFFECTED ON THE EAST SIDE, WHICH IS PD 1002.
UM, WE ALSO MET WITH THE, THE CURRENT OWNER OF THE, UH, BUILDINGS ON COMMERCE RIGHT BEHIND US AND THE, THE PERSON WHO'S BUYING IT, AND THEY'RE BOTH SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
UM, AND LIKE I SAY, THE, THE FRIENDS OF SANTA FE TRAIL.
AND AT OUR MEETING, UH, OUR, ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AT THE CONTINENTAL GIN, THE NEIGHBORS ON THE EAST SIDE RIGHT ACROSS HASKELL FROM US WERE THERE AS WELL.
NEIGHBORS IN THE TOWN, AND THEN THE, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE TOWN HOMES THAT WERE THERE.
SO, UH, I THINK THAT WE, UH, EXCEPT FOR THE, THE, THE MILL CITY PEOPLE THAT I'VE PERSONALLY THOUGHT, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MET WITH THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FAIR PARK.
UM, UH, I COULD BE VERY WRONG ABOUT THAT.
AND WE WILL BE MEETING WITH THEM.
UM, I THINK THAT WE HAD, UH, A ROBUST NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH ON THIS.
AND ONE FOLLOW UP, THIS CASE WAS ORIGINALLY FILED JUNE 28TH, 2022.
SO IT'S BEEN ALMOST ONE FULL YEAR.
IT'LL BE A YEAR BY THE TIME WE GET TO CITY COUNCIL.
ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP, UH, MR. BALDWIN, CAN YOU PUT YOUR, YOUR, UH, SLIDE BACK UP THERE THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT WHERE THE PROPERTY IS AND WHAT'S AROUND IT? YOU, YOU WALK THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICKLY AND THIS ONE YES.
SO AS YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING WITH THESE, WITH THESE, UH, APPLICATIONS TO DO A SITE VISIT.
THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE MOST INFORMATION.
RIGHT? SO I'M HOPING THAT YOU COULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT IS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY, WHAT ARE THE USES? OKAY.
UM, LET, LET'S START IN THE BLUE.
I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I THINK IS THE MOST, UM, CONCERNING BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF JUBILEE PARK AND HISTORICALLY, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
UM, AND WHEN I 30 CAME THROUGH, IT KIND OF, I UNDERSTAND IT CAUSED CONCERNS.
AND WHEN THE CITY REZONED IT ALL TO HEAVY AND TO LIGHT HEAVY COMMERCIAL, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, IT CAUSED THE RESIDENTS TO
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MAYBE NOT BE ABLE TO BE, UH, MAINTAINED AS WELL AS THEY SHOULD.BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO JUBILEE PARK ITSELF, UM, I DO THINK IT'S VERY WELL MAINTAINED.
THEY GOT A VERY ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND, UH, HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OVER TO THE RECREATION CENTER OR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ON, UH, COMMISSION? UH, TWO YEARS AGO, WE RECENTLY REZONED PUT A, A CLINIC IN THERE.
SO VERY ACTIVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THEY WERE VERY GOOD TO WORK WITH.
SO, UM, JUST EAST OF THERE ON THE BOTTOM, UH, RIGHT.
SORRY, THE, THE BLUE WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
UM, UH, JUST EAST OF US LONG HASKELL, UH, YOU RECENTLY APPROVED A PLAT.
IT'S ALL ZONED CS AND IT'S LIKE A 10 ACRE PLAT.
AND I'M TRYING, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS IT ABOUT, AND I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
SO THERE'S SOME BIG DEVELOPMENT GOING ON THERE, BUT THERE'S NOT A REZONING, SO IT'S GONNA BE SOME SORT OF, I WOULD SAY, SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE CS ZONING DISTRICT.
UM, SO SOMEBODY IS CONSOLIDATING LAND OVER THERE AND PLATTED RECENTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US.
UM, AS MR. PEPE POINTED OUT, UH, THERE'S THAT AREA RIGHT NOW THAT'S USED AS A, A CIRCULAR OFF RAMP, UH, WHEN THAT WILL BECOME SURPLUS PROPERTY, UH, ONCE CHECKS OUT FINISHES, UH, I 30 AND THAT WILL BE REDEVELOPED, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, UH, IR AS WELL.
UH, THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM US WHO WERE AT OUR FIRST MEETING, UH, THEY DID NOT HAVE CONCERNS, AND IN FACT, ARE PROPERTIES UP FOR SALE NOW.
THEY'RE, THEY DO A WAREHOUSE TYPE USE THERE WEST OF US.
IT'S, IM, AND THAT IS, UM, THE FREEWAY AND THEN THE, THE OLD ICE HOUSE THAT'S RIGHT OVER THERE.
AND IN FACT, UH, LARKSBURG DEVELOPMENT, UH, MR. ANDERSON'S, UH, GOT UP AN APARTMENT, RIGHT, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE, UM, SANTA FE TRAIL TEES INTO THE DART LINE.
HE'S JUST FINISHING UP AN APARTMENT THERE THAT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE.
AND, UH, HE WE'RE JUST STARTING TO DO PERMITTING ON THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET, UN UNDER, ALL UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING THAT LEADS US OVER TO PD 1002.
UH, IT'S A FAIRLY RECENT PD CALLED THE EAST SIDE.
UH, IT WAS BASED ON THE BEST I CAN TELL PD 2 69, WHICH IS DEEP ELUM, BUT REFINED AND UPDATED BECAUSE PD 2 69 WAS DONE IN THE EIGHTIES AND UPDATED AGAIN IN, UH, RIGHT IN TWO THOUSANDS.
UH, IT'S A VERY GOOD PD AND THAT'S WHY I USED THAT AS A BASE ORIGINALLY, BUT IT TURNED OUT WASN'T APPROPRIATE TO JUMP THE FREEWAY WITH THAT AT THIS POINT.
SO, UM, IN, AS INDICATED, THE BRIEFING, WE GOT HEIGHTS UP TO 200 FEET THERE AS WELL.
UH, IR WE HAVE HEIGHTS UP TO TWO, 200 FEET.
CS, I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE HEIGHTS ARE, BUT IT'S AT LEAST 50 TO 60 FEET.
UM, PD 2 69 IS DEEP ELM, UH, AGAIN, A MIXED USE PD.
AND ONE INTERESTING THING, BEING A ZONING NERD, IT'S ONLY PD I KNOW OF IN DALLAS THAT HAS, YOU CAN DO TRANSFER OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS WHERE YOU CAN TAKE DEVELOPMENT FROM ONE AREA AND PUT IT ONTO ANOTHER SITE.
UH, PRETTY INTERESTING RAZOR, F A R, BUT AGAIN, 200 FEET OVER THERE.
SO, UM, WE ARE NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE ARE NOT REMOVING ANY RESIDENCES TO BUILD THIS.
UH, SO I THINK THIS IS A WIN-WIN WIN.
WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA ACT AS A BUFFER TO THE FREEWAY.
UH, WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, TRAIL ORIENTED, WHICH IS GREAT FOR THE TRAILHEAD OF THE SANTA SANTA FE TRAIL.
AND I, I, I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD AND THOUGHTFUL PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND MICHAEL PEPE DOING THEIR HARD WORK AND CARL AGREEING TO EVERYTHING, IT'S A MUCH BETTER PROJECT THAN IT WAS EVEN TWO WEEKS AGO.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK MR. BALDWIN ON THIS QUESTION OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING.
I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT AND I, I WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT COM COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UM, IS GETTING A LOT OF, UM, FEEDBACK FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
I WOULD YOU BE SURPRISED THAT I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE CONTINUED, UM, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHETHER THIS BODY ACTS ON THIS TODAY OR OTHERWISE? WELL, WE COULD.
WE CONTINUE, WE COMMIT TO CONTINUED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE GET OUT OF CITY PLAN COMMISSION TODAY, WE STILL HAVE CITY COUNCIL.
AND, UH, IF THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN AT CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET APPROVED AT CITY COUNCIL.
SO, AND, UH, I THINK THAT THE FRAMEWORK OF THE ZONING IS SUCH THAT ANY CONCERNS THAT ARE RAISED, THAT THE COMMUNITY MEETING ON THE 23RD, WE CAN ADJUST OUR PD TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS, UH, WITHOUT, UH, CAUSING IT TO HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO, AM I HEARING YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE COMMITTED TO ONGOING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THIS PROJECT? OH, YES.
CARL, UH, IS A LONG-TERM DEVELOPER IN DALLAS, AND HE, HE DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE A BAD REPUTATION AND I MAKE
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MY LIVING COME IN FRONT OF YOU, AND I DO NOT WANNA HAVE A BAD REPUTATION.AND, AND I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, AND, AND I APPRECIATE COM COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S, UM, ASSISTANCE, UM, TODAY AS WE WERE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THIS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE POTENTIALLY HAVE A MEETING, UM, SET FOR MAY 23RD, AND YOU HAVE MADE ARRANGEMENTS, UM, TO BE ABLE AVAILABLE AND PARTICIPATE IN THAT MEETING.
YES, CARL WILL BE THERE AND SOMEONE FROM MY OFFICE.
I WILL BE ON VACATION, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO, AND I MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT POINT.
WELL, LET ME JUST GET, PARDON ME, COMMISSIONER HARBERT FIRST ROUND AND THEN WE'LL COME TO THE SECOND ROUND.
SO, UM, HISTORICALLY THE AREA, THE EXPOSITION STREET, UM, THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL AREAS THERE, KIND OF, UM, MULTI-FAMILY.
I, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY LOFT KIND OF LIVING.
UM, FOR ME, THIS IS THE TALLEST BUILDING ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF 30, UM, FOR MILES FOR A LARGE SPACE.
UM, AND IN MY OPINION, THIS IS A HISTORIC VOTE BECAUSE THIS COULD SET PRECEDENT FOR THE FUTURE.
UM, WITH 30 BEING RECONSTRUCTED, THAT WHOLE AREA, UM, THE HISTORIC FAIR PARK IS DIAGONAL TO THIS LOCATION.
THERE'S NOT A BUILDING IN FAIR PARK THAT THIS IS, THAT'S THIS SIZE.
UM, SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT THE EIGHT, UM, THE EIGHT FLOORS IS MY, MY MAJOR CONCERN FOR THE AREA.
UM, IT'S, UH, THE INTERESTING THING IS THE, THE ZONING, ALL THE CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS UP TO 200 FEET.
THE ZONING ALL AROUND US ALLOWS 200 FEET.
WE'RE ACTUALLY CUTTING THAT IN HALF.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE HOUSING, WE NEED DENSITY.
UH, SO AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GONNA GET AT LEAST 10% AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
WE COULD GET MORE DEPENDING ON HOW, UH, THE STRUCTURE OF THE, THE DEAL GOES.
UM, SEVEN STORIES SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT IT REALLY IS NOT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK, UH, JUST RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 30, UH, THE, THE WILLOWS SEVEN STORIES MM-HMM.
UM, THE, AND THE PD 2 69, LIKE I SAID, 200 FEET, UH, 20 STORIES.
IT'S, UH, THE, THE ZONING AROUND US AND OUR CURRENT ZONING ALLOWS THIS, IT, IT MIGHT BE THE FIRST BUILDING EAST OF 30 THAT IS THAT TALL.
BUT I THINK WITH THE, UM, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN THE REG REGULATIONS, IT'S GONNA BE SET THE STANDARD FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE THE REST OF THE, THE ZONING RIGHT AROUND FAIR PARK, THE, THE VACANT LAND, IT, IT ALLOWS 200 FEET BY RIGHT.
AND THAT ALLOWS MIXED USE ALLOWS FOR, FOR RESIDENTIAL.
SO I THINK WE CAN USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SAY, IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD EAST OF 30 OVER BY FAIR PARK, THESE ARE THE RULES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FOLLOW.
WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA GIVE YOU A BLANK CHECK AND LET YOU DO SOMETHING UGLY.
UH, WITH THE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS OR REQUIREMENTS TO, UH, EMBRACE THE STREET, UH, REQUIREMENTS TO EMBRACE THE TRAIL, I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE PROUD OF.
WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, THE HEIGHT DOES NOT SCARE ME CONSIDERING, BUT MY QUESTION TO YOU, UM, IT, UH, MR. BALDWIN, THIS IS ZONED CORRECTLY.
AM I CORRECT R UM, IM, IT'S IR IR HAS THERE BEEN ANY RECENT IR USAGE ON THIS PLAT OF LAND? IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED IR AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CARL.
UM, I THINK HE'S BEEN APPROACHED BY PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO USE IT AS IR.
IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, SO THERE'S A FEW WAREHOUSES ON IT.
UM, IT'S, NO, NO ENVIRONMENTAL QUE ISSUES.
UH, IT IS MY REALLY MY QUESTION, YOU HAVE NOT, THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AT THIS POINT IN TIME FOR THIS LAND, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT, YES, THAT'S RIGHT.
AND WHY I'M WORRIED ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO CON CONTINUE OUR PURCHASE CONTRACT PAST JUNE 28TH, I THINK REALIZES THAT HOW VALUABLE THIS LAND IS NOW THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS IR, SO HE COULD SELL IT TO ONE OF THE MANY USES THAT IR ALLOWS, AND I THINK THEY CAN GO 10 STORIES HIGH.
SO YOU'RE, AND AND AM I HEARING CORRECTLY FOR EVERYBODY THAT THE LAND IS THAT THE, THAT THE USES THAT ARE SURROUND IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING IT, THAT HAVE A R PS DESIGNATION ALREADY GIVES YOU THAT HEIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? THE, YEAH, THE CURRENT ZONING GIVES US THE HEIGHT.
UM, AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT TRIGGERS RPS, UH, WITHIN FIVE OR 600
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FEET, NOTHING.SO THERE'S NO RPS THAT WOULD AFFECT THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AT, UH, AT OUR PROPOSED HEIGHT.
SO BASED ON THAT, YOU HAVE NO RPS UM, ISSUES, CORRECT? NONE.
AND, AND YOU'RE CHANGING, UH, A USE THAT W THAT FROM A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL USE WITH HIGH DENSITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO? SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVEN'T SPOKEN? COMMISSIONER WHEELER SECOND ROUND PLEASE.
SO I, I HEARD A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT, UM, PDS THAT WERE QUOTED.
UM, I, I ALSO HEAR IT'S ALMOST A SEPARATION FROM SOUTH DALLAS FAR PARK PROPER AND THE PD 5 95, BECAUSE CAN WE PUT THE OTHER PICTURE UP THAT SHOWS THE PROXIMITY OF FAIR PARK AND EXACTLY WHERE THIS IS SITTING AT? UM, THAT'S, IT'S THE ONE THAT, OKAY, SO THERE, SO THERE'S FAIR PARK DOWN HERE, HERE I TO THE ONE, GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES.
THAT ONE, THAT ONE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO AS MUCH AS WE WANNA SAY THAT THERE'S NO, NO, NO HOUSES, THERE IS SOME QUITE CLOSE TO THAT.
IT, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN.
UM, IT'S RIGHT PAST THE SPLIT HOUSES STARTED.
UM, WHY WASN'T PD 5 95 AND THE AREA PLAN, UM, WHY WASN'T THAT EVEN CONSIDERED? BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THE DEEP EL, WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT, UM, TYPE OF SITUATION ACROSS THE FREEWAY.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF SITUATION.
THIS IS A PART, THIS IS THE BORDERS OF SOUTH DALLAS FAR PARK PROPER THAT IS LANDLOCKED.
AND THE CONSIDERATION WAS PD FIVE.
NOW WHY WASN'T IT IN CONSIDERATION? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE HAD ENGAGEMENTS, RIGHT? I HEARD THE APPLICANT ALSO SAY THAT, UM, MANY PEOPLE NECESSARILY, UM, DIDN'T CARE.
BUT IT WAS BECAUSE PD 5 95 WAS NOT IN CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE DON'T ABUT PD 5 95 ANYWHERE WE DO ABUT DEEP EL, WE ALMOST ABUT PD 1002.
WE HAVE A FREEWAY SEPARATING US.
WE DO ABUT I AM, WHICH WE ARE IN, I MEAN IR WE HAVE, BUT IM, WE'RE IN IR AND WE'RE ALL THE BLUE AROUND IS A CS.
IF WE ABUTTED, UH, PD 5 95, BY ALL MEANS WE WOULD'VE CONSIDERED THAT.
GO, GO BACK TO THE SLIDE AGAIN BECAUSE YOU'RE A BUT FOR A PARK, RIGHT? YEAH, BUT KNOW BEAR PARK IS SHOWN HERE TO BE ZONE CS.
IT'S A, IT IS A ZONE CS, BUT IT'S A PART OF PD 5 95.
THE, THE CONSIDER, I THINK MY CONSIDERATION, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHERE, WHERE THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ABOUT THE ENGAGEMENT FACTOR, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT THE ENGAGEMENT FACTOR CAN ALWAYS SEEM, BUT IT DID NOT ENGAGE THOSE IN CLOSER PROXIMITY.
JU DOLPHIN HEIGHTS IS NOWHERE, IS NOT IN PROXIMITY TO THIS PROJECT.
YEAH, I I THOUGHT THAT AS WELL.
MILL CITY IS IN PROXIMITY, WHICH IS IS THE PROPER, UM, EVEN SOME OF THE SOUTH DALLAS, UM, PARK ROAD NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS IN PROXIMITY.
SOME, THE FAIR PARK MERCHANT ASSOCIATION IS IN PROXIMITY.
A LOT OF THINGS ARE IN PROXIMITY THAT THOSE, WHEN YOU SAY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, HOW WERE NOT JUST FOR COUNCIL, BUT HOW THESE ENGAGEMENT, HOW WAS THESE PEOPLE NOT ENGAGED? WELL, TRUE ENGAGEMENT, CUZ THAT'S TRUE ENGAGEMENT FROM A A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, FROM A CONSULTANT POINT OF VIEW, WE RELY ON, I ALWAYS SEND NOTIFICATION LETTERS, RIGHT? WHEN I FILED EVERYBODY WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
WELL, WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER AND WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ON WHO TO MEET WITH.
I, I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY TO MEET WITH BECAUSE I'M NOT CONNECTED IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UH, IF THE COUNCIL MEMBER MARINA WOULD'VE SAID, I NEED YOU TO GO MEET WITH, UH, THE PEOPLE IN PD 5 95, WITHOUT A DOUBT, WE WOULD'VE DONE IT.
UH, BUT WE, BUT WE WEREN'T TOLD TO DO THAT.
AND I AM VERY MUCH A CONSIDERATION THAT IT WAS A YEAR AGO, BUT AGAIN, HALF OF A YEAR I'VE BEEN THE ZONING COMMISSIONER AND I HAVE NOT BEEN ENGAGED AT ALL.
AND THIS IS, IS A JUST NOT DISTRICT TWO, IT'S A DISTRICT, IT'S GONNA BE A, THIS SPARKS WE'RE IMPEDING INTO SOMETHING THAT'S IR EVERY BUSINESS AROUND THERE IS IR WE'RE GOING IN AND CHANGING RESIDENTIAL.
NOW I KNOW THAT IT'S PLA BY PLAT, BUT THIS COULD, UH, THIS COULD, UM, RICK RICOCHET INTO NEXT THING ALL THE HOUR PEOPLE BY, AND IT WILL CAUSE AN EFFECT OVER N PD 5 95.
SO I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE, DON'T THINK, CAN WE HOLDING, WE, I'LL WAIT UNTIL WE GET TO COMMENTS.
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HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER STANDARD SECOND ROUND? YEAH, I HOPE I'M ASKING THIS IF THE RIGHT PERSON.
UH, I'M GONNA ASK A QUESTION, BUT I'M GONNA PREFACE IT WITH SOMETHING.
RECENTLY, WE HAD A LONG FELLOW SCHOOL IN MY DISTRICT.
AND THE CPC APPROVED THE PLAN.
AND THEN AFTERWARDS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT MAYBE THERE WERE A FEW NEIGHBORS THAT DIDN'T FEEL ADEQUATELY HEARD.
AND SO WE ENDED UP HAVING A FOLLOW UP EVEN AFTER IT WAS APPROVED COMMUNITY MEETING.
AND THEN THERE WERE CHANGES MADE AS A RESULT OF THAT MEETING BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
ISN'T THAT A POSSIBILITY SINCE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A YEAR, THAT SINCE YOU'VE COMMITTED TO HAVING THE MARCH, THE MAY 23RD, THAT THAT COULD STILL OCCUR? OH, DEFINITELY.
AND, UH, MY CLIENT'S STANDING RIGHT BEHIND ME AND, UH, HE UNDERSTANDS THAT, UH, ONE, HE'S EASY TO WORK WITH AND HE WANTS WHAT'S BEST FOR THE AREA AS WELL.
HE IS UNDER CONTRACTUAL, UH, CONSTRAINTS.
UH, BUT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT, UM, IF WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL AND THERE'S A ROOM FULL OF OPPOSITION, HIS ZONING'S NOT GONNA GET APPROVED.
SO HE'S COMMITTED TO BEING AT THE MEETING AND DOING ANY NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH AS NEEDED.
WE HAVE SIX WEEKS BETWEEN NOW AND THE FIRST CITY COUNCIL HEARING THAT WE CAN GET ON AND WE COMMIT TO MAKING SURE THAT WE WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE WILL MEET WITH, UH, WHOEVER, UH, THE COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE US TO MEET WITH AND AS OFTEN AS SHE'D LIKE US TO MEET WITH THEM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? MR. BALDWIN? ONE HAS ZONING QUESTIONS.
SORRY, THOUGHT THAT WAS SOMEBODY ONLINE.
UM, SO THESE QUESTIONS REVOLVE AROUND THE IR USE THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE, UM, AND, AND, AND WHAT IS INTENDED, UM, WITH THE GROUND PLANE ALONG HASKELL.
SO COULD YOU, COULD YOU DESCRIBE THE GROUND PLANE ALONG HASKELL AND, AND WHAT IT KIND OF WOULD FEATURE AND HOW IT MIGHT, UM, INTERACT WITH, I GUESS, THE VARIOUS SCHEMES THAT MIGHT HAPPEN AS FAR AS THAT TRANSPORTATION CORRIDOR? SURE.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR A WM MU DISTRICT WALKABLE MIXED USE.
SO WE HAVE TO RECONFIGURE THE, THE WHOLE, UH, PUBLIC REALM, MEANING WE NOW HAVE TO HAVE A SIX FOOT PAVING, I MEAN A SIX FOOT PLANTING STRIP, A SIX FOOT UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALK.
UH, AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A DOOR YARD AREA AND ALL OF OUR FRONTAGE HAS TO BE BETWEEN FIVE AND 15 FEET OF OUR PROPERTY LINE.
AND COMMISSIONER HEMP TO HELP ME IS THAT 75% OF OUR UNITS HAVE TO HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO, TO THE STREET, UH, WITH, UH, APPROVED IMPROVED SIDEWALKS.
SO THIS IS A VERY, UM, IT'S A VERY WALKABLE, FRIENDLY, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY DESIGN.
AND THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE BEING BUILT UP AND DOWN ZANG AND BECKLEY.
UM, NOW THAT YOU'VE SEEN MORE AND MORE UNITS, YOU REALLY START GETTING A GOOD STREETSCAPE.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE THE FIRST ONE IN THIS AREA THAT THIS DOES THAT.
SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY RE RELIEF TO THE TRANSPARENCY, THE BUILDING ARTICULATION, UM, LANDSCAPING, SIDEWALKS, ANYTHING.
SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, THE GROUND PLANE THAT THE URBAN DESIGNERS HAVE ANTICIPATED FOR ALL WALKABLE MIXED USE DISTRICTS.
AND KEEP IN MIND, UNLIKE MOST WMU DISTRICTS ON OUR BACKSIDE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME THING FACING THE TRAIL.
WE JUST WON'T HAVE A ROAD THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MAKE IT SO WE CAN'T HAVE A PARKING, UH, NEXT TO THE TRAIL, BUT WE WILL HAVE A, A BUFFER NEXT TO THE TRAIL.
WE HAVE TO HAVE TRANSPARENCY IN OUR BUILDING NEXT TO THE TRAIL.
WE HAVE TO HAVE ARTICULATION IN OUR BUILDING NEXT TO THE TRAIL.
UM, IT'S, UH, I THINK THIS IS A WIN-WIN.
SO I'M, I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT AREA TO GAIN CERTAIN RESEARCH COMPONENTS AND, AND THE IUS, UM, I THINK IS BEING REDEFINED WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH CLEAN INDUSTRIAL SPACES, UM, MAKER SPACES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
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SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S A A, A RE IN THE RETAIL COMPONENTS ALONG THOSE GROUND PLANES THAT WOULD INTERFACE WITH PEDESTRIANS, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE SOME OF THOSE COMPONENTS TO KIND OF MAINTAIN SOME OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPONENTS OF THE IR USE? NOT SAYING TO USE THE IR USE, BUT UM, IT, IT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT WE COULD BE ROBBING THIS, THIS, THIS COMMUNITY OF AN OPPORTUNITY AT SOME SORT OF, OF RETAIL OR A DIFFERENT SORT OF TAX BASE.HAS THAT BEEN KIND OF ADDRESSED OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE LINE OF THOUGHT? OKAY, THEN CARL WANTS TO ANSWER THIS ONE.
YEAH, I JUST, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON THE FIRST QUESTION.
IT'S, THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE VERY ENGAGING WITH THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
THE BUILDING'S SET BACK 17 FEET FROM BACK OF CURB ALONG HASKELL.
YOU CAN SEE OUR LOT COVERAGE IS VERY LOW.
UM, EVEN FOR, YOU KNOW, MF TWO ZONING, UH, WE HAVE A TON OF GREEN SPACE.
WE'RE VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE TRAIL.
THE BUILDING IS MOSTLY FIVE STORIES.
IT STEPS DOWN TO FIVE STORIES TOWARD THE TRAIL.
AND THEN AS FAR AS THE RETAIL, WE HAD THE, THE CANTINA IN THE FRONT OR FACING THE TRAIL THERE, THERE'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, HASKELL'S LIKE A HIGHWAY RIGHT NOW.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A RETAIL FRIENDLY CORRIDOR, ESPECIALLY RIGHT HERE.
UH, WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE FORT WORTH AVENUE WHERE THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, 50,000, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE FEET OF VACANT RETAIL.
UM, WE, WE ARE PLANNING LIVE WORK UNITS THERE AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR PROJECT AROUND THE CORNER ON COMMERCE, WE HAVE LIVEWORK UNITS THERE THAT WRAP THE BUILDING.
THEY'RE VERY ENGAGING WITH THE SIDEWALK WITH THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO SOLVE IT HERE.
I DON'T THINK RETAIL WOULD WORK THERE.
I THINK IT'D SIT EMPTY, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, BOARDED UP BECAUSE THE STOREFRONTS WOULDN'T BE COMPLETE WAITING WHILE THEY WAIT FOR TENANTS.
I THINK THAT WAS A GREAT PIECE.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT GIVEN OUR PROXIMITY TO PERRY AND EXPOSITION PERRY IN COMMERCE WHERE THE RETAIL THERE IS STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT, ADDING MORE RETAIL, UH, MAY NOT BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A WHOLE.
THAT'S ALL WITHIN A FIVE MINUTE WALK.
AND YOU KNOW, ADDING NEW RETAIL, UH, IN AN AREA THAT ALREADY HAS RETAIL THAT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT LEASED, UH, MAY MAKE IT HARDER FOR THE OLDER SPACES TO BE LEASED.
I THINK THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE TRANSPORTATION CHALLENGE THERE AND THE LIVE WORK UNITS I THINK ARE ARE REALLY GOOD WAY TO ADDRESS, UM, KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHERE IN PROXIMITY TO THE NEW PARK THAT'LL BE BUILT OUTSIDE OF FAIR PARK'S WALLS, UM, IS THIS SIDE, DO YOU WANNA GO BACK TO YEAH.
THAT, THAT PARK IS ON THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE SIDE.
UM, IT'S, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S NEXT TO THE, TO THE STAR PLEX.
UM, YEAH, THE ONE THAT'S ABOUT THE START CONSTRUCTION WITH THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S ON THE COMPLETE OTHER SIDE OF FAIR PARK.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ONE VERY LAST QUICK QUESTION FOR ME, MR. BALDWIN.
UH, YOU ADDRESSED HEIGHT, YOU ADDRESSED COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
CAN YOU JUST BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING COMPONENT? WHAT INCOME AS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WHAT PERCENTAGES? WELL, YESTERDAY WE WERE AT 5%.
YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS 24 HOURS AGO.
UM, WE HAD, UH, SPOKEN WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND SHE SUGGESTED THAT 10 PERCENT'S MORE APPROPRIATE AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YEAH, THERE, THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS GOT TOUCHED AND WHAT NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE YET TO BE TOUCHED AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE THERE MAY BE SOME UPCOMING COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
COULD SOMEONE ON STAFF PULL UP THE MAP AND JUST WALK THROUGH THE VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED SO WE CAN GET A SENSE OF, OF WHERE THEY ARE RELATIVE TO THE SITE? I KNOW WHERE SOME OF THEM ARE, BUT I, I CERTAINLY CAN'T PINPOINT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY.
SO OUR, OUR COMMUNITY PLANNING, UM, SIDE MAY HAS A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON, ON NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARIES.
UM, BUT I THINK ANDREA'S GONNA WEIGH IN.
SO THE QUESTION ABOUT MILL CITY? NO, IT JUST, JUST MILL CITY AND THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN, I THINK THEY ALSO MENTIONED DOLPHIN HEIGHTS.
I KNOW WHERE JUBILEE PARK IS, BUT JUST FOR THE, YOU KNOW, EDIFICATION OF THE BODY, IT MIGHT HELP IF YOU POINT OUT THOSE THINGS.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, ANDREA GILLIS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN,
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UM, I WISH I COULD BRING UP A MAP FOR YOU, BUT WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES BECAUSE WE TRIED TO BRING UP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MAP, UM, AND WE WERE UNABLE TO DO SO.YEAH, IF YOU COULD PUT THE AERIAL, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, BUT SOME OF THE SURROUNDING, UM, SO JUBILEE IS MORE SO TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, DO WE WAIT FOR MR. PEPPE TO PULL IT UP ACTUALLY? MR. BALL OR MR. ANYONE?
I MEAN WE DO HAVE PAPER PS DOWN IN OUR OFFICE.
SO IF WE'VE GOT, OH GOD, NOW I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING WHERE, OKAY, SO I'M LOOKING AT FAIR PARK.
UM, SO MILL CITY IS SOUTH OF FITZ U SO IT'S ON THE OTHER.
SO WHERE THE STAR IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF FAIR PARK MILL CITY WOULD BE ON FITZ U, RIGHT.
OH, THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE HELPFUL I THINK.
I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS THAT MAP, BUT COULD YOU ORIENT US TO THE SITE WITH YOUR CURSOR, MR. BALDWIN? YES.
AND YOU ALL MET WITH JUBILEE AND DPH HEIGHTS, RIGHT? SO D HEIGHTS IS TO THE NORTH CORRECT CENTER FURTHER TO THE EAST? YES.
AND THEN IF YOU WENT SOUTH, THAT'S WHEN YOU START RUNNING NO FURTHER SOUTH.
THAT'S WHEN YOU'LL RUN INTO MILL CITY, WHICH IS, IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SOUTHERN END OF FAIR PARK AND FITZ, YOU SOUTH OF THAT? THAT'S WHERE MILL CITY IS? YES.
SO IS MILL CITY SEPARATED FROM THE SUBJECT SITE IS I GUESS THE FAIR PARK FALLS IN BETWEEN THE SUBJECT SITE? EXACTLY.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE MAP, RIGHT, AND WE'RE SAYING THE TWO, THE TWO, THE REASON THAT I KEEP BRINGING UP THE TWO ORGAN, TWO DIFFERENT A WHERE JUBILEE PARK IS IN PROXIMITY, AM I RIGHT? UM, UM, MR. PEPPE, BUT DOLPHIN HEIGHTS IS WAY FURTHER THAN THAN MILL CITY.
SO WHEN WE'RE SAYING THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE FAIR PARK? NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE FAR PARK SITS IN THE CENTER.
ONE SIDE OF THE FAIR PARK IS THAT AREA.
THE ONE IN THE BE MILL CITY SITS ON THE OTHER SIDE AND, AND IT CONNECTS TO THE NEW PARK.
AND SO IT HAS BEEN IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD ON HAS BEEN IN CONVERSATION ALSO IN THE SOUTH DALLAS FIRE PARK TASK FORCE AREA PLAN.
AND SO HOW IT DID NOT GET INTO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT DID NOT ENGAGE.
I'M HOW I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M BAFFLED BEYOND BAFFLED CAUSE THERE'S NO WAY DOLPHIN HEIGHTS DO, DOES NOT EVEN TOUCH THIS PROJECT.
MILL CITY TOUCHES THIS PROJECT CLOSER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? THANK YOU.
UM, I THINK THAT IT'D BE PRUDENT IF WE LOOK AT WHEN ALONG THE, THE HIGHWAY 30 CORRIDOR, THIS, THIS AREA BEING SUNNY SOUTH DALLAS.
UM, THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE HAVE OFTEN FELT LEFT OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
AND THERE'S BEEN LITTLE DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN AND I THINK IT WOULD DO US A LOT OF, WE DO THEM A LOT OF EXAMPLES TO, TO HAVE
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THOSE AREAS, UM, IN THE CONVERSATION IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IN FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, WE DON'T LEAVE OUT THOSE COMPONENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY JUST BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE IN THE PROXIMITY.QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
AND I HAVE, UM, BRIEF COMMENTS.
UM, IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 212 DASH 2 87, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AS BRIEFED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER EXHIBIT A IS BRIEFED, UM, STAFF, UM, YES, UM, CONDITIONS AND EXHIBIT A AS BRIEFED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTERS.
IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CASE ONLY IN LIGHT OF THE EXISTING ZONING, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WE HAVE INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN AN AREA WITH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO DEEP ELUM MIXED USE, ADJACENT TO A TRAIL DART ACCESS HISTORIC RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.
THERE ARE TWO NE TWO PDS THAT THEY ALLOW FOR CONSIDERABLE DENSITY.
THERE'S PROXIMITY FOR FAIR PARK THAT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ENGAGEMENT WITH ONE OF OUR CITY'S SIGNATURE SITES.
THE FAIR PARK IS A COMMUNITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND I RECOGNIZE EVERY COMMENT THAT COMMISSIONER REAGAN, WHEELER REAGAN HAS SHARED WITH US TODAY.
THE ZONING THAT'S AROUND THIS SITE DOES ALLOW FOR CONSIDERABLE DENSITY AND THAT DOES NOT REFLECT WITH THE EXISTING PATTERN OF DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THE SITE IS ALSO IMMEDIATELY PROXIMATE TO I 30 INTO THE DART LINE.
THOSE ALSO POSE CHALLENGES IN MY MIND.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T EVEN TOUCHED ON IN THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT THERE ARE SOUND ATTENUATION MEASURES THAT ARE BUILT INTO THIS.
PUTTING RESIDENTIAL NEXT TO A DART LINE AND I 30 DOES NOT ALWAYS SEEM LIKE A LOGICAL CHOICE.
THERE'S A SINGLE STREET FRONTAGE FOR THIS SITE, BUT IT HAS CONTINUOUS TRAIL FRONTAGE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AND IT'S A CHALLENGE TO ENSURE THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT WOULD SUPPORT OUR CITY'S GOALS FOR OUR PARKS AND TRAILS.
MIXED INCOME HOUSING, I THINK YOU HEARD I WOULD NOT HAVE SUPPORTED THIS REQUEST WITHOUT THAT.
IT WAS A CONTINUOUS REFRAIN FROM EVERY COMPONENT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAD.
THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED WITH OUR CITY POLICY GOALS, SUPPORTING OUR PARKS AND TRAILS, AND PROVIDING MUCH NEEDED HOUSING FOR OUR CITY.
I FULLY SUPPORT ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES AT THE SITE, HOUSING OPTIONS FOR, UM, THE SITE OR CITY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BUT THE DETAILS OF THIS PROJECT AND HOW THEY INFORM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE CRITICAL.
AS NOTED BY MR. BALDWIN, THERE WAS COMMUNITY OUTREACH, HOWEVER, THIS IS A LARGE AND DIVERSE COMMUNITY AND BASED ON THE COMMUNICATIONS THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER HAS SHARED, ADDITIONAL OUTREACH IS NEEDED AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR HER ASSISTANCE AND IMMEDIATELY SCHEDULING A FOLLOW-UP MEETING THAT IS ON THE CALENDAR FOR 23RD.
I THINK AS WE HEARD THE APPLICANT, UM, THEIR TEAM STAFF, MYSELF, WE WILL ALL MAKE OURSELVES AVAILABLE.
I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COMMISSIONER RAY WHEELER WOULD PREFER THAT THIS CASE BE HELD.
THAT TRULY IS THE SCHEDULING CHALLENGE FOR THIS.
THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS OF US HOLDING THIS CASE IF WE HOLD IT TO MAY 18TH.
THAT GIVES THE COMMUNITY NO TIME FOR NOTICE.
THAT TO ME IS MORE DISRESPECTFUL TO SET A MEETING OR HOLDING IT OVER WHEN THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO ATTEND.
IF WE HOLD IT UNTIL JUNE 1ST, WHICH IS OUR NEXT MEETING, WOULD BE BEFORE THE MEETING THAT'S PLANNED.
THERE ARE IMPLICATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT THAT IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OVERCOME.
IT STILL MAY NOT, IT MAY GET TO COUNCIL AND THERE MAY BE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OUTCOME, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST ALLOW THE PROJECT, THE COMMUNITY, AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE INPUT ON IT AND HAVE COUNSEL THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER.
THEY MAY SEND IT BACK TO US, COUNSEL WILL MAKE THEIR INFORMED DETERMINATION.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THE PROJECT THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT HEARING PRIOR.
PART OF THE RATIONALE IN INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE EAST OF THIS SITE IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN ONGOING DIALOGUE FOR, I WILL SAY THE LAST 30 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN EAST ALICE ON THE REALIGNMENT OF I 30.
THAT IS GONNA IMPACT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD FROM DEEP EL TO OWEN WOOD AND BEYOND THAT IS WHERE THAT CAME FROM.
I REGRET THAT I DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES, BUT MY ENGAGEMENT IN THIS PROJECT WILL NOT STOP WHEN THIS BODY, WHATEVER DECISION WE MAY MAKE TODAY.
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YOU HAVE MY FULL COMMITMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT OUTREACH HAPPENS.I THINK I STARTED BY SAYING IT, BUT I'LL CLOSE BY SAYING THAT I FULLY RECOGNIZE THE LARGER IMPLICATIONS FOR THIS PROJECT, BOTH FOR GREATER SOUTH DALLAS FOR FAIR PARK AND I HOPE YOU ALL WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION FOR ALL THE REASONS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON JUST OUTLINED AND JUST, UH, UNDERLINING THE FACT THAT THIS IS ADDITIONAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON A DART LINE, ON A TRAIL ADJACENT TO A CIVIC, UH, AMENITY LIKE FAIR PARK.
UM, WE SAY THAT WE NEED DEVELOPMENT SOUTH AND EAST OF I 30.
HERE WE HAVE IT AND A QUALITY PROJECT AT THAT.
AND I'LL JUST CLOSE BY SAYING I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE EMBARRASSED TO BE PART OF A PROCESS THAT HAS TAKEN THIS APPLICANT 11 MONTHS TO GET HERE AND UH, WOULD JUST UH, CHALLENGE ALL OF US TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS BETTER BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT, UM, THAT RESULTS IN LESS DEVELOPMENT IN AREAS WHERE WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE DEVELOPMENT.
WHEN WE PUT APPLICANTS THROUGH A PROCESS LIKE THIS.
UH, I'M COMPLETELY SATISFIED WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
UH, I'M PLEASED THAT THERE, THAT IT WILL CONTINUE.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD.
UH, YES, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR OUR STUDENTS OUT THERE, I SEE A LOT OF OUR, WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
OUR AIM IS TO BALANCE BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND NEIGHBORHOODS TO FIND A BALANCE.
WE'RE REPRESENTING BOTH ENTITIES, NOT JUST ONE.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THAT WE'VE DONE THAT HERE.
I THINK THAT, AND I'M REPEATING ONE THING WHEN WE DID HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS TO BE SO THE COMMUNITY CAN HAVE A VOICE IN WHAT'S GONNA COME IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT THE DEGREE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YOU CAN INCLUDE.
AND I THINK IN THIS CASE, SINCE THE, THE PROPOSED, UH, PROJECT BASICALLY FRONTS I 30 AND YOU'VE GOT A COMPLETE FAIR PARK IN BETWEEN SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, FIVE MEETINGS AND AS I SAID, WE CAN'T CONTROL WHO COMES BUT WITH SUFFICIENT NOTIFICATION AND IF IT'S NOT GOING TO DETRIMENTALLY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DON'T SEE HOW THIS PROJECT COULD DETRIMENTALLY IMPACT THE, IS IT CALLED MILL, MILL CITY? MILL CITY NEIGHBORHOOD? FROM WHAT I SAW, ITS LOCATION AND WE ARE BASICALLY, I WANNA REMIND US TOO, NO, WE'RE NOT SETTING PRECEDENT.
YOU KNOW, IF I BUILD A MID-RISE AND THIS IS A MID-RISE, THIS IS NOT A HIGH-RISE AND EIGHT STORY BUILDINGS A MID-RISE.
IF I BUILD A MID-RISE RIGHT ON I 30, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT AN EIGHTH OF A MILE.
IN GOING INTERNALLY I'M GONNA DO THE SAME THING WE DO EACH THING CASE BY CASE AND IN FACT ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE PRECEDENT HERE.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER EACH PROJECT ON ITS OWN MERITS AND GOING TO THE MERITS OF THIS PROJECT.
MY GOSH, FOR ANDREA AND HER CREW, THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE.
WE'VE GOT MIXED INCOME HOUSING, WE'VE GOT MID-RANGE, WE'VE GOT 10% THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON GOT OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
WE'VE GOT A TRAIL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT UH, FRONTAGE, WE'VE GOT RETAIL, WE'VE GOT A RESTAURANT FOR PEOPLE STOPPING OFF THE TRAIL.
THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A TRANSPORTATION CENTRIC AREA THAT WE HAVE RETAIL WALKABILITY AND WHAT DOES DALLAS NEED MOST MORE HOUSING.
AND THIS ISN'T TOWERING OVER RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, IT'S SITTING ON I 30 AND I WILL SAY I DO WANT TO SEE THIS APPLICANT DO A LOT OF THAT SOUND ATTENUATION.
I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, THEY USED TO SAY THEY PUT OLD FOLKS HOMES ON THE HIGHWAYS CUZ THE OLD FOLKS CAN'T HEAR, YOU KNOW, WELL THE THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE MOVING IN HERE CAN'T HEAR.
BUT I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS AND AS COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT SAID, IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON.
WE CANNOT KEEP HOLDING OPEN THE OVER THESE CASES OVER AND OVER.
UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS AND, AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY I UNDERSTAND, UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S REQUEST FOR
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COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUT OUR RULE IS IF IF IT'S WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TO DO.ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT NOTIFICATION AREA IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, BUT A, UM, A GIFT IF YOU WILL.
UM, THE HEIGHT DOESN'T SCARE ME AT ALL.
IN FACT, THIS IS THE EXACT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IN DISTRICT EIGHT IN OUR ONLY LOCATION THAT HAS DART ACCESS.
WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAIL THAT'S ACTUALLY BUILT OUT NEAR U N T D.
IT'S THE AREA THAT WE ARE GETTING READY TO BUILD.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I'M LOOKING AT TO SAY, MM, THIS TOO CAN WORK IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY THAT ALSO NEEDS HOUSING THAT COULD ALSO FILL SOME DENSITY NEEDS THAT THE CITY HAS.
COULD ALSO FILL THE, IT IT'S, I MEAN THE EXACT SAME REPLICATION COULD BE DONE ON A PLAT OF LAND NEAR I 20 AND U N T D.
I WOULD LOVE A A EIGHT STORY BUILDING RIGHT THERE OFF OF 20.
UM, THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T HEAR AND SEE IS E V C, BUT UH, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT IN OUR CODE.
SO, UH, YEAH, I I GET, I GET IT AND, AND YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I DO APPRECIATE THAT YOUR COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A, A VOICE AT THE VERY BEGINNING.
UM, AND I'M, AND I'M SURE CUZ I DO KNOW CA UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IS A WOMAN OF HER WORD.
UM, I'VE WORKED WITH HER EXTENSIVELY ON CASES AND IN ZAC AND SHE, WHAT SHE SAYS SHE'S GOING TO DO, I HAVE SEEN HER DO IT.
SO TRUST THAT SHE WILL, WE HAVE THIS, THIS IS A ANOMALY OF A WEEK.
WE ONLY HAVE TWO CASES AND IT'S TAKEN A WHOLE YEAR TO GET THIS HERE.
UM, THAT IS ANOTHER TOPIC OF DISCUSSION ALL BY ITSELF.
BUT WE CAN'T HOLD THINGS IN HOPES THAT WE WILL GET, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE WANT.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND WITH CASES THAT NEED TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET TO THROUGH THE PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THANK YOU I WILL SUPPORT IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
I WILL 100% NOT SUPPORT THIS, UH, THIS, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
AND LET ME SAY THIS WIFE, I'VE HEARD A BUNCH OF, OF REASONING THE APPLICANT.
IT'S BEEN, UM, ALMOST 11 MONTHS.
I'VE BEEN ON THE ZONING COMMISSION FOR SIX MONTHS.
THERE HAS BEEN NO ENGAGEMENT WITH MYSELF.
UM, THE COMMUNITY SAW IT ON THE NEWS ON WEDNESDAY.
IF I WOULD HAVE HAD COMMUNITY HAD ANY TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT FROM THE APPLICANT, FROM, UM, THE REPRESENTATIVE, FROM THE COMMISSIONER, I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SET UP MEETINGS.
WHEN WE GO TO TALKING ABOUT IT NOT BEING, UM, IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO, FOR THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE NOT IN PROXIMITY TO IT TO BE NOTIFIED, I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S OFTENTIMES WITHIN DISTRICT EIGHT WHERE THERE IS APPLICANTS THAT, THAT THE COMMUNITY VOICE, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IS SAYING WE DON'T WANT CERTAIN THINGS.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE DO NOT WANT MULTI-FAMILY.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS SOUTH DALLAS PROPER.
THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS IS BECAUSE THERE'S THE A BECAUSE THE, THE, THE, THE APPLICANT HAS TIME CONSTRAINTS, NOT THE COMMUNITY.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOUTH DALLAS PROPER, THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT HAS BEEN WORKED ON FOR THREE YEARS THAT PUD IS A PART OF THE SOUTH DALLAS FIRE PARK AREA PLAN, TASK FORCE THAT HAD INCLUDED THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MIXED USE INTO PLANS.
IT WAS NOT TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION DOLPHIN HEIGHTS BEING IN THE CONVERSATION, AND IT DOES NOT, AND THEY'RE THE FURTHEST FROM THE SITE.
THERE'S THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THAT'S GOING TO GO, THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON TO GO ALONG WITH THE PARK.
THERE WAS ENGAGEMENT AND WHEN WE LOOKING AT THAT, THEIR PROPERTY ENGAGEMENT WAY TOO MANY TIMES IN SOUTH DALLAS PROPER, THERE IS DEVELOPERS, THERE ARE, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO SAY, WELL, WE HAD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
THERE WERE EIGHT PEOPLE THERE.
I CAN TELL YOU 100% IF THE PEOPLE OF THE THAT REPRESENT OUR LEADERS IN SOUTH DALLAS, WERE SOUTH DALLAS FRONT PARK AREA, WERE NOTIFIED YOU WOULD NOT HAVE HAD EIGHT, EIGHT PEOPLE.
WE, I CAN STAFF CAN ATTEST TO THIS SINCE THE
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SOUTH DALLAS FAR PARK TASK FORCE WAS, WERE, WAS CREATED.WE NEVER HAVE LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE.
THESE TYPE OF ENGAGEMENTS I COULD NEVER SUPPORT BECAUSE THIS IS MORE GEARED TOWARD THE DEVELOPER, WHAT HE NEEDS AND NOT THE COMMUNITY.
IF I WAS, I WAS NOTIFIED TWO DAYS AGO TO MAKE A DECISION AND THAT DECISION, WHEN I LEAVE HERE TODAY, I'M DEFINITELY GONNA FEEL LIKE I FAILED SOUTH DALLAS FOR A PARK.
WE ARE LANDLOCKED EVERYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 30.
WE BORDERLINE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH LAND LEFT.
AND TO NOT ENGAGE US AND SAY, I DID NOT KNOW, I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT.
I CAN BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS GOOD TOWARD WHAT WAS WANTED AND WHAT WE WANT WE GET AND NOT THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.
THE HEIGHT, THE AREA IS NOT THAT WE DO NOT NEED MORE MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
IT'S SAYING THAT THE PROPER ENGAGEMENT SO THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN HELP WORK OUT WITH THE DEVELOPERS.
THIS WAS A DIFFERENT AREA OF DALLAS.
I CAN BE FOR SURE THAT THE ENGAGEMENT WOULD'VE BEEN WIDESPREAD.
SOUTH DALLAS FOR OUR PARK IS NOT THAT BIG AND THE LEADERS ARE DEFINITELY NOT INVISIBLE.
WE ARE EVERYWHERE AND ANYWHERE.
WE HAVE BOARDS, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
THERE ARE 10 NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS THAT FIVE OF 'EM ARE IN PROXIMITY TO THIS PROJECT.
SO I DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS GOING FORWARD AND NOT BEING HELD OVER WHETHER IT'S 11 MONTHS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMISSIONER VAN WAS FIRST THAT HE WAS HERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENED IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL, MAY, I'M HERE SIX MONTHS.
IT'S HALF OF THIS APPLICATION.
I WAS SITTING HERE, SO I CANNOT, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AT ALL.
I ACTUALLY MADE A SPECIAL TRIP TODAY TO HERE.
I HAD TO COME BE IN PERSON BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THIS WAS NOT GONNA BE HELD.
SO I DID AND I FOUGHT MY BEST FIGHT.
SO THE 23RD, WE WILL SHOW YOU HOW ENGAGEMENT REALLY HAPPENS.
IT WILL BE NO LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE TO BE THERE.
YEAH, I I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION TODAY.
UM, ON, ON THE SUBSTANCE OF THE PROPOSAL, UH, JUST KUDOS TO COMMISSIONER HA UH, HAMPTON, THE APPLICANT AND MR. BALDWIN FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A REALLY GREAT PROJECT WITH THAT'S, THAT'S VERY SENSITIVE TO THE SANTA FE TRAIL AND REALLY JUST THOUGHTFUL IN ITS APPROACH.
UM, ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SIDE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO SET STANDARD IN OUR CITY CODE FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON A PARTICULAR, UH, APPLICATION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR A PARTICULAR PROJECT IS SUBJECTIVE AND CHANGES FROM APPLICATION TO APPLICATION.
HERE, I THINK I'VE SEEN THE APPLICANT MAKE A, A GOOD FAITH EFFORT AT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, EVEN IF IT WASN'T NECESSARILY PERFECT IN ENGAGING WITH JUBILEE PARK AND ENGAGING WITH DOLPHIN HEIGHTS AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM COMMISSIONER WHEELER THAT, YOU KNOW, MILL, MILL CITY WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN ENGAGED HERE.
AND I LOOK, YOU KNOW, THINK IT'S FANTASTIC THAT A MEETING WITH MILL CITY IS MOVING FORWARD AFTER THIS BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL.
AND I HOPE THAT THOSE ISSUES CAN BE ADDRESSED.
BUT I I, I WOULD SAY FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, MOST CASES, AT LEAST THE CASES THAT I'VE WORKED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN LONG VACANCIES IN D THREE AND D 10 DURING MY FOUR-ISH YEARS IN THE COMMISSION, AND YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE TRY TO TOUCH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT TRICKY HERE BECAUSE MILL CREEK IS SEPARATED.
MILL CITY IS SEPARATED FR FROM THE SUBJECT SITE BY FAIR PARK.
SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY MALICE OR, OR ILL WILL HERE, BUT JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, GET THINGS RIGHT BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A COMMITMENT BETWEEN Y THAT THE, THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PRODUCTIVE MEETING WITH MILL MILL CITY BETWEEN NOW AND COUNCIL.
SO HOPEFULLY ANYTHING CAN BE ADDRESSED THERE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M PLEASED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUEN ANY FURTHER? COMMISSIONER HERRICK.
SO, UM, AS SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED THIS HISTORICAL AREA, UM, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DEDICATED
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TO THIS AREA IN THEIR PARK, THAT BEING FAIR PARK, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFER DEALING WITH PARKING.THEY SUFFER WITH THE CROWDS, THEY SUFFER WITH THE ISSUES.
THEY'RE SILENCED AND HAVE BEEN SILENCED FOR YEARS.
THE HOMES THAT EXIST THERE, THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE ARE SURVIVORS.
THEY'VE SURVIVED 30, THEY'VE SURVIVED GENTRIFICATION.
THEY'VE SURVIVED THE REMOVAL OF SEVERAL OF THEIR NEIGHBORS FROM THIS AREA TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE FULL ENGAGEMENT AS THIS CITY IS WORKING TOWARDS EQUIT EQUITABILITY, THESE PEOPLE DESERVE PERFECTION.
THEY DESERVE THE OVER AND ABOVE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EQUITABILITY IS.
THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT OUT, THEY HAVE BEEN, UM, SQUANDERED.
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON THE TABLE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTIRE AREA HAS IS INDUSTRIAL, UM, AND THAT THE HEIGHTS ARE UNLIMITED, BUT NOBODY, NO ONE HAS BUILT A BUILDING TALLER THAN THREE STORIES IN THAT ENTIRE AREA ALL THESE YEARS.
NOT SAYING IT WON'T HAPPEN TOMORROW, CUZ CLEARLY IT WILL.
BUT I ASKED MY MY PLANNING STAFF MEMBERS AS WE WORK ON PLANS, HOW DO WE PROTECT AREAS LIKE THESE FROM 200 STORY BUILDINGS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO TODAY, RIGHT.
I CAN'T MAKE THIS YOUNG MAN NOT BUILD EIGHT.
I DO APPRECIATE THAT HE IS LIMITING HIS HEIGHT, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED, UM, THE PERRY STREET, PEOPLE WHO GO TO PERRY STREET AND EXPOSITION STREET, THE BLACK AND BROWN OWNED RESTAURANTS AND BARS IN THAT AREA, IT GETS CROWDED AT NIGHT.
THESE PEOPLE, IT'S, IT'S, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THESE UNSUCCESSFUL, IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL AREA.
SO I I ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP IN MIND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE, THE PEOPLE WHO WILL INDULGE AND ENTERTAIN IN THAT AREA, AND THEN THE HISTORICAL VALUE OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, I I, AT THIS MOMENT, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY I WANT TO GO, BUT, UM, I KNOW THE AREA NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED FROM LARGE IR AND I AM, AND I THANK YOU GUYS FOR TAKING THE LAND IN THAT DIRECTION, BUT TO IGNORE THE VOICES OF PEOPLE IN THIS AREA, SPECIFICALLY PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN LEFT OUT FOR SO LONG AND SAY, THAT'S OKAY.
AND AND THAT'S NOT ON YOUR WATCH AT ALL.
BUT THAT, THAT'S JUST THAT THAT'S REALLY SITTING WITH ME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? OBJECT.
UM, SO I, I'M, UM, I, I, AS FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROPOSER, UM, WHAT WHAT KIND OF CONSTRAINTS THEY'RE UNDER.
UM, AND FROM A COMMISSIONER'S STANDPOINT, I APPRECIATE THE RIGOR THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TAKES WITH THESE PROCESSES AND, AND TRUST THAT SHE WILL HAVE ONGOING CONVERSATIONS.
I THINK WITHOUT THAT, UM, AND WITHOUT THE, THE FACT THAT, UM, THIS WILL BE DECIDED AT THE CITY COUNCIL, I DON'T WANNA STOP DEVELOPMENT IN THE SUNNY SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY.
I AM PRO SUNNY SOUTH DEVELOPMENT AND I DO UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER WHEELER REAGAN'S, UM, POINT IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
WELL, I I, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON.
UH, WELL, I'LL VOTE ON, UM, WITH THE CONFIDENCE THAT THIS CAN BE KIND OF REWORKED OUT BETWEEN NOW AND CITY COUNCIL IF IT WERE TO PASS.
I FEEL SIMILARLY ON THE FENCE AS COMMISSIONER HERBERT SIMPLY, UM, BECAUSE I DO TAKE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY.
UM, BUT I THINK IN THIS CASE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEVELOPER HAS WORKED CLOSELY WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND HAS REACHED OUT TO ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY HAD BEEN ASKED TO REACH OUT, REACH OUT TO.
UM, THE FACT THAT SOME COMMUNITIES MAY HAVE BEEN OVERLOOKED SEEMS TO BE ADDRESSED AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, APPEAR TO BE ON BOARD BY THE LACK OF SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION OR LETTERS IN OPPOSITION.
UM, SO IT APPEARS, BY AND LARGE, THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN ENGAGED SEEMS TO BE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AND ON THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT.
UM, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT, UM, OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SPOKEN TO IT, IT DOES SEEM LIKE A GOOD PROJECT AND IT, IT, IT SEEMS, UM, APPROPRIATELY CONTEXTUALIZED HERE WITH ALL THE TRANSPORTATION COMPONENTS, UH, THAT IT'S ADJACENT TO.
SO RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT AND THAT BY AND LARGE,
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UM, THE COMMUNITY SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT IN SUPPORT OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.IT SEEMS THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE, UM, PLACE BETWEEN, UH, COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO CONTINUE MAKING TWEAKS.
IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT, UM, WANNA CONTINUE, UM, DEEPLY ASSESSING AND, AND LOOKING AT THIS PROJECT, THERE'S STILL THAT OPPORTUNITY.
AND NOW THAT THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND A, A MEETING IS, UH, LINED UP, THAT, THAT, THAT WILL OCCUR.
AND HOPEFULLY THERE ARE UPWARDS OF 50 PEOPLE WHO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS ARE THIS ONE SCHEDULED MEETING.
UM, AND, AND REACH OUT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THEIR, THEIR VOICES ARE HEARD, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT BEING LEFT OUTTA THE CONVERSATION AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY CONTINUE TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WANTS TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND NEEDS TO BE ENGAGED.
UM, SO IT'S A, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE FAUX POT POINT, BUT I THINK WE'RE APPROACHING, UM, A, A SEMBLANCE OF, UM, COMPLETE ENGAGEMENT AND, UM, WE'RE CLOSE TO HAVING AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY ON BOARD WITH IT.
SO I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
THANK YOU FOR THIS RIGOROUS CONVERSATION, YOU GUYS, AND I'M HAPPY THAT WE'VE GOT SUCH A, AN ENGAGED COMMISSIONER FOR THE DISTRICT, UM, FOR DISTRICT SEVEN L.
UM, I WANNA SAY I, I SYMPATHIZE VERY MUCH WITH THE, UM, THE FEELINGS OF COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND, AND THE DILEMMA THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAS FOUND HERSELF IN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I PRESENT A DISTRICT THAT DEALS THESE SITUATIONS CASE AFTER CASE, MONTH AFTER MONTH, YEAR AFTER YEAR.
AND YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO SEE A HORRIBLE HOUSING.
UM, BUT THE WAY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MIXED INCOME HOUSING IS DELIVERED THESE DAYS, IT'S IN, YOU KNOW, MID-RISE, UH, YOU KNOW, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDINGS, WHICH ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE AFFORDABLE THAT SELL FOR 80 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT SHIP HAS SAILED.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE THIS SITUATION, AND YOU ALSO HAVE IT COUPLED WITH THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE EXTENSIVE INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO NEIGHBORHOODS, THERE'S SUCH REAL DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD CASES THAT NEVER MADE IT TO CPC.
THEY, THEY FOUNDERED AT, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY MEETINGS WITH NEIGHBORS WHEN, UH, NEIGHBORS DID NOT WANT TO SEE, UH, A DENSER MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON AN IR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND KEPT SAYING, WELL, UH, I TRIED TO KEEP MAKING THE POINT THAT THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR AN IR PROPERTY, INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY FOR WAREHOUSE PURPOSES, THAT YOU RUN A VERY REAL RISK OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, LARGE WEAR, YOU KNOW, AMAZON TYPE LOGISTICS WAREHOUSES THAT OPERATE 24 HOURS A DAY AND HAVE LOTS OF, UH, SEMI TRACTOR TRAILERS COMING AND GOING.
IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH.
AND NOW THE NEIGHBORS ARE EXTREMELY UNHAPPY THAT, YOU KNOW, FOREVER AND EVER, THERE'RE GONNA BE THESE TWO GIGANTIC WAREHOUSES SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.
AND I REALIZE THERE ARE CHOICES THAT THE NEIGHBORS DON'T LIKE HAVING TO MAKE.
BUT TO ME, I'M GONNA BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION BECAUSE I THINK A WELL DESIGNED MID-RISE, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE, LARGELY MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT THAT HAS GOOD DESIGN, THOUGHTFUL DESIGN THAT TRULY HAS TRANSIT PROXIMITY.
AND I, I GET TIRED OF BEING ASKED TO, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, SUPPORT PARKING REDUCTIONS WITH TRANSIT PROXIMITY WHEN THERE ISN'T EVEN A BUS LINE ANYWHERE CLOSE.
AND THIS ACTUALLY IS ON A DART LINE.
IT'S ON THE TRAIL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROJECT.
AND UNFORTUNATELY THE REAL WORLD CHOICE HERE MAY BE, UM, A MUL, A MID-RISE MULTI-FAMILY WITH, WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR AN INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USE THAT, UM, THE NEIGHBORS DON'T WANNA SEE.
I DON'T THINK THE HEIGHT'S AN ISSUE I GET, I, I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER HERBERT, YOU KNOW, NO, WE DON'T SEE TOO MANY INDUSTRIAL BUILDING WITH 200 FEET OF HEIGHT ALL THE THEORETICALLY THAT EXISTS FOR SMOKE STACKS AND STUFF.
BUT THE, THE REAL CONCERN, THE REAL DANGER NOW IS, UM, IS LARGE WAREHOUSES THAT WILL DRIVE SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER BIG RIGS THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS FOREVER AND EVER.
SO THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, MS. YOLANDA, LET'S TAKE A RECORD.
DISTRICT THREE, SHE'S GONNA DO RANDOM ORDER.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT, CAN YOU START, I'M SORRY, I'M, THIS IS YAY NAY.
I, YES, SHE THREW ME OFF WITH THE COMMISSIONER THREE.
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DISTRICT ONE? YES.CARRIE, SIR, THANK YOURE IN OPPOSITION.
JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, POTENTIALLY, WHEN WOULD THIS PROJECT BE BUILT OUT? FOR EX EXAMPLE FOR OUR, OUR FRESHMAN HERE IN, IN ATTENDANCE.
COULD THEY VISIT THIS SITE THREE YEARS FROM NOW? 18 MONTHS IN 18 MONTHS.
MR. GOLDSTEIN SITE VISIT, THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.
COMMISSIONERS WILL GO TO CASE NUMBER TWO AND DR.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL ON PROPERTY WITHIN R 7.5.
A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF EASTON ROAD AND EAST LAKE HIGHLANDS DRIVE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIODS, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
MY NAME IS JENNIFER HIRA MOTO, 1 0 2 33 EAST NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
UM, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE HIGHLANDS CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AND THE REQUEST FOR THEIR S U FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL.
UM, THE, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE BRIEFING, UM, IF I'LL GO OVER THOSE FIRST.
UM, THE, I THINK THE MAIN QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE TIME LIMIT AND, UM, WE MADE THIS REQUEST, UM, FOR TWO PRIMARY REASONS.
UM, THE FIRST REASON WAS THAT IT LINES UP VERY NICELY WITH THE, UH, REQUIREMENT TO UPDATE THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THE OTHER REASON IS THIS CORRESPONDS WITH THE LEASE PERIOD THAT THE SCHOOLS ARRANGED WITH THE CHURCH.
UM, THEY DO HAVE SOME OPTIONS TO EXTEND, UM, BUT WE THOUGHT THIS WAS VERY REASONABLE.
UM, AND THE, UM, AUTOMATIC RENEWAL PERIOD, UH, LINES UP WITH THE TRAFFIC PLAN.
UM, THERE WAS SOME CLARIFICATION QUESTIONS ASKED.
UM, AND THE BRIEFING REGARDING THE NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS. IT IS 10 CLASSROOMS. THIS IS ELEMENTARY GRADES, UH, PRE-K THROUGH SIX.
UM, THE MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT WILL BE 150.
THE FIRST YEAR ENROLLMENT IS EXPECTED TO BE A HUNDRED STUDENTS.
UM, THE SCHOOL'S, UH, SCHOOL BOARD PRESIDENT IS HERE.
UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SCHOOL, UH, THIS IS THE RELOCATION EFFECTIVELY OF THE HIGHLANDER SCHOOL THAT'S A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH ON PLANO ROAD.
UM, THIS LOCATION WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE ABLE TO QUEUE ON SITE WHERE THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT LUXURY IN THEIR CURRENT LOCATION.
UM, WITH THAT, I'LL STOP MUMBLING AND, UH, WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SUPPORT ANYONE HERE LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS? ANYONE ONLINE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK? NOPE.
WE HAD SOME REGISTRATION ISSUES.
UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG BEJO MOTION, SIR, I DO.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 207, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL WITH A TWO FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO-YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
AND IN THE LAST, I'M REFERRING TO THE CHANGE TYPOGRAPHICAL CHANGE FROM PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL TO PRIVATE SCHOOL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS? YES, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.
THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW ME MIGHT WONDER ABOUT THE ABSENCE
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OF, OF TWO THINGS.ONE IS A HEIGHT LIMIT AND THE OTHER IS MY SUPPORT FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR A NEW SCHOOL SITE.
AS FOR THE HEIGHT LIMIT, IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING, WHICH IS TWO STORIES IN HEIGHT.
UH, A SCHOOL THAT'S LIMITED TO 10 CLASSROOMS IS NOT GOING TO BE EXPANDING ON THAT HEIGHT ANYTIME SOON.
AS FOR THE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, MY INITIAL INCLINATION WAS NOT TO SUPPORT THEM, BUT I'M CONVINCED THAT THIS PARTICULAR SITE ON TWO MAJOR THOROUGHFARES WITH LIMITED RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY, UH, AMPLE, UH, PARKING AND QUEUING SPACE, AND A CLASSROOM CAP OF 10, UH, PROVIDES VERY LITTLE OPPORTUNITY FOR MISCHIEF.
AND ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN CAN BE TREATED, UH, CONCURRENTLY WITH THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL PROCESS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER YOUNG SAID ABOUT HOUSEWRIGHT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONERS WILL KEEP MOVING ON THE AGENDA.
WE'LL MOVE TO OUR SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSISTING OF ITEMS, NUMBERS THREE THROUGH 12.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. BOARDWALK.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTS OF 10 ITEM S 2 23 DASH 118 S 2 23 DASH 19 S 2 23 DASH ONE 20 S 2 23 DASH 1 21 S 2 23 DASH 1 22 IS 2 23 DASH 1 23 IS 2 23 DASH 1 24 IS 2 23 DASH 1 25 IS 2 23 DASH 1 27 AND S 2 23 DASH 1 28 S 2 23 DASH 18.
THE CORRECT LOCATION OF THE REQUEST IS ON ELLSWORTH AVENUE WEST OF MCMILLAN AVENUE.
AND ITEM, UH, S 2 23 DASH ONE 20 HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN.
THE ABOVE CASES HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED FOR HEARING AT THIS TIME, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROBAR.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? YES, SIR.
THAT'S, WE'RE COMING TO THAT ONE NEXT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS? THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS THREE THROUGH 12? YES.
HI, CAN WE PULL UP CASE SIX S 2 23 1 21, THE, THE TWO PLATS THAT ARE PROPOSED? UM, I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU COULD JUST WALK THROUGH WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THESE PLATS ARE GONNA BE, BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY, THERE'S THIS WEIRD NARROW, I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S A RIGHT OF WAY OR WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON.
IS AN APPLICATION TO CREATE A 1 1 0, UH, 1.0496 ACRE LOT AND ONE 3.8561 ACRE LOT FROM, UH, 4.9534 ACRE TRACK OF LAND IN SIR BLOCK A OVER 60 49 ON A PROPERTY LOCATED ON LEDBET DRIVE DRIVE, UH, STATE HIGHWAY LOOP 12 EAST OF HAMPTON ROAD.
SO THIS IS A ALMOST FIVE ACRE TRACK OF LAND THAT THEY'RE CREATING TWO, UH, LOTS OUT OF IT.
UM, YOUR QUESTION WAS REGARDING THE RIGHT WAY? NO, CAN, CAN YOU JUST TALK TO WHY THESE SHAPES? UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
WHY, WHY THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY IS LIKE THIS IS, UH, ARE, ARE ZONING.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT AS THE, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY SHAPE OF THE LOT OR,
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UH, ACREAGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.CAN YOU PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN SO EVERYONE CAN SEE IT? I JUST, TO ME, IT, AND AGAIN, MAYBE, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A USABLE PLAT, MIKE, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT IT UP? WHICH ONE IS THIS? SO THEY CREATED ONE LOT, WHICH IS KIND OF A RECTANGULAR SHAPE.
RIGHT OFF, UH, SOUTH, UH, OFF SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD.
AND THE PROPERTY, THE REST OF THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE NORTH OF IT, IS LIKE A L SHAPE AND THEN IT, UH, COMES SOUTH AND, UM, THE AREA TO THE SOUTH OF IT IS A GOOD BUILDABLE SITE.
UH, THIS LOT WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE ON LEAD BETTER AND WOULD HAVE FRONTAGE ON SOUTHAMPTON.
UH, LIKE I SAID, THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT AS FAR AS ACREAGE OR SHAPE OF THE LOT IN THIS, UH, ZONING.
SO YOU'VE GOT THIS REALLY SKINNY PART THAT THEY'RE KEEPING THAT'S GONNA LINK THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH ENDS.
I, I JUST, TO ME, I SAW THIS AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT AM I MISSING? IS THERE SOMETHING TOPOGRAPHICAL THAT'S GOING ON HERE? BUT YOU'RE SAYING CAN YOU REALLY ACCESS THE OF THE, AGAIN, THE SQUARE, THE RECTANGULAR ONE? NO QUESTIONS, BUT LOT TWO.
I I JUST, IS IT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE ACCESSED NORTH AND SOUTH? LIKE DOES THIS NOT CREATE ANY PROBLEMS? IT JUST SEEMED ODD, MR. CHAIR.
UM, PLEASE, I OBSERVE THAT JUST TO THE EAST OF THE DOG LEG PORTION THAT COMMISSIONER TREADWAY IS REFERRING TO, THERE'S A 24 FOOT VEHICULAR ACCESS EASEMENT.
SO I INFER THAT THERE IS SOME SORT OF ACCESS TO THAT LOT, UH, FROM THE EAST COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
ARE YOU, UH, TALKING ABOUT THE LOT TWO B, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF THE REQUEST? I'M TALKING ABOUT LOT TWO AND IT APPEARS TO HAVE ACCESS THROUGH A VEHICULAR ACCESS EASEMENT ON LOT TWO A NEAR THE NORTHERN END THAT IS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF THE REQUEST.
SO IT WASN'T LOOKED AT AND IT WASN'T COMMENTED ON.
BUT IF THE QUESTION IS HOW IS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF LOT TWO ACCESSED, THAT'S A POTENTIAL ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
THE, THE ACCESS WOULD BE FROM BETTER.
ANY ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA DOCKET, UH, WITH THE CORRECTION TO NUMBER ONE 18 AND ONE 20.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.
UH, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMISSIONER CHAIR? I'M SORRY, ONE MORE QUESTION.
YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION ON 12.
SO THIS TRACT OF LAND IS BEING SPLIT INTO TWO.
UM, AND I, I THINK IT WAS THAT THERE'S NO LOT, HOLD ON.
THE SMALLER PORTION AGAIN, DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS GONNA BE ACTUALLY A FUNCTIONAL SPACE.
IT SEEMS TO BE IN AN ISLAND UNTO ITSELF.
SO I HAVE THE SAME KIND OF QUESTION ABOUT LIKE WHY, AND IF THAT'S NOT AN ANSWER, LIKE IS IT STILL A FUNCTIONAL PIECE? WHICH WOULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? SO IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, THE SMALL LOT IS TO
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THE LEFT, RIGHT? IS IT INSIDE THE PARKING? MM-HMM.COMMISSIONER BLAIR, YOUR, YOUR MIC IS ON.
I KNOW, I'M TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR MR. BBAR.
THAT LOT IS, IS AGAINST SMACK IN THE PARKING LOT OF LOWE'S, THE DE THE DEVELOP, AND I KNOW WHAT, THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.
AND THE, AND IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD PIECE.
IT DOESN'T NEED, IT DOES NOT NEED DIRECT ACCESS TO THE, TO HAMPTON.
IT CAN USE THE, IT CAN USE THE ALREADY USE THE, UM, THE ENTRY POINTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE EXISTING.
SO THERE IS NO NEED FOR ADDITIONAL ACCESS.
UM, MR. KING JUST SAID IT WAS FOR UTILITIES.
SO, BUT, BUT MEET THE, UH, PLANNING REQUIREMENT OF HAVING 10, MINIMUM 10 FEET FRONTAGE TO THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
WHAT HAPPENS THERE? WE WILL NOT KNOW.
MAYBE IT'S SOME KIND OF UTILITIES.
THAT, THAT LITTLE PORTION RIGHT THERE IS A IS FOR UTILITIES.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, JUST, JUST A COUPLE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THESE ARE FOR MR. BBAR LEGAL.
IF, IF A PLAT MEETS ALL OF THE PLATTING REQUIREMENTS OF CITY CODE, ARE WE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT? YES.
VICE MR. RUBEN? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IF SOMETHING STRIKES US AS STRANGE ABOUT A PLAT BUT IT STILL MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF CITY CODE, WE STILL, OUR HANDS ARE TIED, RIGHT? THAT IS ALSO CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE, SIR, IN THE MATTER OF THE SUBDIVISION CONSENT AGENDA BEING ITEMS 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, AND 12, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND NOTING THE CORRECTION OF THE LOCATION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? JUST A VERY BRIEF COMMENT, MR. CHAIR.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LOT PATTERN, BUT THAT THE REQUESTED LOT COMPLIES WITH THAT LOT PATTERN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
S 2 23 DASH 1 27 IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLAT 0.186 ACRE, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT OF 8,120 SQUARE FEET.
TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING OLIVE OF LOT 14 IN CITY BLOCK D OVER 7, 2 47 TO CREATE ONE 6,120 SQUARE FEET LOT AND ONE 2000 SQUARE FEET LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON POLLED STREET AT UH, HERING AVENUE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
UH, 24 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIED.
HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE REQUEST, A STAFF RECOMMEND RECOMMENDS THAT THE APPROVAL BE SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BOARD BROUGHT, I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE OWNER, ARMANDO MAGES OF, UH, 1902 POLLARD OF THIS S 1 27.
AND I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SHOW AS WELL.
COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR LAST NAME FOR US, SIR, PLEASE? UH, ARMANDO EZ EZ.
SO, SO LAGO ON THIS THING, UM, IT IS A 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
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WE CURRENTLY DID BUILD A DUPLEX IN FRONT OF IT.UM, IT'S ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AND IT IS UP FOR SALE.
UM, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS CORNER OF A LOT, WE DO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE, UH, PER TH THREE ZONING, UH, TO, UH, POSSIBLY DO ONE MORE UNIT.
PARDON ME, SIR? DID, DID YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON? WE DON'T, YEAH, WE DON'T SEE IT.
YEAH, WE'LL GET YOU, WE'LL GET YOU LOADED UP.
SO THIS WILL BE THE REPLAT OF 1902 POLLARD STREET.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED TH THREE.
WE'RE APPROXIMATELY 1.5 MILES FROM TRINITY GROVES, UH, 2.7 FROM THE HEART OF BISHOP ARTS.
UM, AND ALL THE AREAS ARE SHOWING FOR GROWTH AND NEED.
UM, AND ALSO BEING THAT IT'S ALREADY REZONED AND I DO HAVE ACCESS TO THE ROAD, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO REPLAT, LET ME SEE, AS Y'ALL SEE RIGHT THERE, THAT IS, UH, THE LAYOUT ON IT.
IT DOES MEET EVERY SINGLE QUALIFICATION FOR BUILDING SAFETY AND UTILITIES.
UM, AND IT WOULD CREATE TWO INDIVIDUAL, UH, LOTS.
AND IN THE FRONT, THAT CURRENT DUPLEX THAT YOU'LL SEE, UH, I DID CONSTRUCT IT ALREADY IN PAST, AND THIS IS CURRENTLY WHAT YOU DO SEE ON THE LEFT IS THE STRUCTURE THAT IS ACTUALLY LIVE THERE.
UH, RIGHT NOW, IF Y'ALL WOULD GO WALK THE PROPERTY, UM, AND IN THE BACK, I WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, BUILD SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, OF COURSE.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, AS LONG AS IT WOULD FIT ALL THE MEANS OF THE TH THREE ZONING AND, UH, IT WOULD POSSIBLY BE APPROXIMATELY MAYBE 2005 HERN STREET.
BUT THAT'S TO BE DECIDED IN THE FUTURE IF GRANTED.
UM, BUT THAT IS THE IDEA AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BEING THAT DENSITY IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT MAYBE CAN BE, UM, APPROACHED AND ALSO, UH, WITH THE FUTURE GROWTH.
AND WE DO HAVE OTHER LOTS IN THE AREA THAT PERHAPS WE DO HAVE THIS IDEA AS WELL.
UH, THE GREEN DOTS THAT YOU SEE ON THERE ARE, UM, LOTS THAT WE DO HAVE, UH, UNDER CONTRACT AND SOME OF THEM ARE UNDER, UH, THAT WE HAVE BOUGHT AND PURCHASED ALREADY.
THAT'S, THAT CONCLUDES YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER STAN, AND I CERTAINLY DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS, BUT DID I JUST HEAR YOU SAY YOU'VE ALREADY PURCHASED LOTS NEXT TO THIS ONE? YES, MA'AM, I DO.
I DO OWN OTHER LOTS AND I AM, I AM I DO HAVE THE OTHER APPROXIMATE ONES WITH, UH, DOTS, WITH THE DOTS UNDER CONTRACT.
BUT THEY'RE NOT ADJUNCT ADJACENT TO THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN? UH, THANK YOU.
I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME.
MAGNIS, UH, MR. MAREZ, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO READ THE STAFF'S REPORT ON THIS CASE? THAT'S THE ONE THAT WAS SENT THROUGH EMAIL VIA TO ME.
POSSIBLY I WOULDN'T COPY IT ON THAT EMAIL.
AND DID YOU SEE WHERE IN STAFF SUPPORT IT SAYS THAT, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH SECTION 51 A 8.503? YES, SIR.
UM, I WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT THAT.
I HAD BEEN IN TALKS WITH, UH, MOHAMMED PRY.
AND YOU KNOW, MR. BORD BARR'S CONCERN IS THAT THIS DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF 8.503.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY STAFF HAS, HAS RECOMMENDED DENIAL HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GAVE US A REALLY GOOD PRESENTATION ON, ON WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO WITH THE SITE, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER UNDER CURRENT CITY CODE IS WHETHER IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 8.503.
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WHETHER YOU THINK THIS REQUEST IS IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH 8.503 AND Y? SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS, IS THAT IT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING ADDRESSED, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO PERHAPS, UH, BE ABLE TO SEE AND ADD MORE UNITS.UM, AND THAT IS, THAT IS OUR ULTIMATE GOAL.
I HAVE CLEARED THIS WITH BUILDING ZONING AND FIRE AND THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOR FOR IT.
THEY SAY THAT'S THE REASON THERE'S A TH THREE AND A MINIMUM LOT, UH, DENSITY.
AND EVEN HERE IT'S ONLY GONNA BE ONE UNIT.
SO I DO BELIEVE I DO MEET EVERY SINGLE QUALIFICATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST 2000 SQUARE FOOT LOT HERE, BUT IF GRANTED, I WOULD BE ABLE TO PERHAPS, UH, MAKE MORE UNITS.
AND IF I DO MORE UNITS, NOT EVEN EVEN ON THIS LOT, BUT IN THE FUTURE ONES, I'M ABLE TO LOWER CERTAIN PRICES ON CERTAIN OF MY UNITS AS WELL, SO, WHICH HELPS OUT EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NON-COM? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? I DON'T SEE YOU, BUT I'M, I'M THANK YOU'RE ONLINE? I, I'M ONLINE.
IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER S 2 23 DASH 1 27, I MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOWING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL BECAUSE THE PROPOSED LOT DOES NOT CONFORM IN WITH DEPTH IN AREA TO THE LAW PATTERN ALREADY ESTABLISHED A ADJACENT AREA REQUIRED BY SECTION 51 A DASH FIVE THREE OF THE GA ELEMENT CODE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE CHARGED WITH ENFORCING 8.503 TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITIES.
BUT I THINK THIS CASE IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A NEED TO EXAMINE THAT STANDARD IN LIGHT OF OUR NEED FOR HOUSING.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A GREAT APPLICATION.
I'D LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION.
I DON'T THINK I'M ALLOWED TO DO SO UNDER THE RULES OF THIS, THIS COMMISSION AT THIS TIME, BUT, UM, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET MORE CREATIVE.
UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR RENDERINGS.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WILL ACCOMPLISH.
I THINK IT'S JUST, IT'S AN EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S CREATIVITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY OUT THERE THAT'S BEING HELD BACK FROM, FROM SOLVING THE HOUSING SITUATION IN THIS CITY BY OUTDATED REGULATIONS.
SO UNFORTUNATELY TODAY I'M GONNA VOTE WITH AN OUTDATED REGULATION.
UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, I WILL DEFER MY DEFENSE OF SECTION 8.503 TO ANOTHER OCCASION.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, JUST A QUICK DITTO OF COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHTS OR REMARKS FOR THE RECORD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER PAMAN, PLEASE.
I GUESS, UM, OBJECTING TO, I GUESS
I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS INDICATING, UM, A WILLINGNESS TO DENSIFY BY HAVING THESE LOTS DESIGNATED AS TOWN HOME LOTS.
IT SEEMS THAT THIS IS INCREASING THE DENSITY, BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A GENTLE DENSITY BY ALLOWING TWO UNITS ON ONE LOT, UM, RATHER THAN, UH, FOUR UNITS ON ONE LOT AS PROPOSED BY THE DEVELOPER.
SO, UM, I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE CONTINUING TO RESPECT THE CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A MORE GENTLE WAY OF ADDING THE HOUSING THAT WE NEED IN STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT I, I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO SEE PROJECTS LIKE, UM, AS, AS BUILT AND AS, UM, CONFORMING TO THE, THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, WHERE WE CAN ADD GENTLE DENSITY TO STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND, UM, KEEP THEM FROM BECOMING TOO DENSE, TOO FAST.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.
YES, I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID NOT VOLUNTARILY GO TO A, A DENSER, UM, ZION CLASSIFICATION.
THIS WAS PART OF A, A WELL ESTABLISHED LONG-STANDING R 75 NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT DURING THE ZONING THEORIES THAT WERE OVERLAID ON CERTAIN SECTIONS OF TOWN BACK IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, SECTIONS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE EAST AND THE WEST WERE OVERLAID WITH TH THREE ZONING, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY WERE CLEARLY FLATTERED AND DEVELOPED AS R 75.
AND THIS IS PART OF THE DISPLACEMENT THAT IS GOING ON IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OH YES.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.UH, COMMISSIONER SNOW CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TODAY.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MAKE A MOTION.
HER MOTION TO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROOM FOR YOUR SECOND.
IT IS 2:28 PM OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY, COMMISSIONERS.
WE'LL SEE YOU IN A COUPLE WEEKS.