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YOU GET THE CA, THE

[Environmental Commission on April 12, 2023.]

CASES THAT YOU OPEN BASED ON THREE 11 CALLS, UM, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE YOU ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY CLOSE? AND WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF CLOSURE? BECAUSE IN OTHER PARTS THAT I'M LOOKING AT CLOSURE DOESN'T MEAN NECESSARILY THE ISSUE ISSUES RESOLVED.

NOW, NOW I DON'T WANNA REFLECT ON YOUR DEPARTMENT YET, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN IN SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

OKAY.

CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? I WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT THAT.

WELL, UM, UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU, WHAT ARE YOUR CRITERIA FOR, REGARDING A CASE AS CLOSED? UM, I THINK THAT'S A BETTER WAY OF STATING IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS ON YOUR THREE 11, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE YES.

ARE YOU ABLE TO TRULY CLO CLOSE IN THE SENSE THAT SITUATIONS RESOLVE? I WOULD HAVE TO GO AND PULL THAT NUMBER UP FOR YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE TRULY RESOLVED.

UM, SO I'VE BEEN IN ENFORCEMENT IN COMPLIANCE FOR A LONG TIME, PROBABLY, MAN, PROBABLY ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW.

SO STARTING OUT FROM, UH, STARTED IN WATER WASTEWATER, STORM WATER AND ON AIR IS QUITE A BIT DIFFERENT FROM THOSE, RIGHT? AS FAR AS AIR GOES, OR LIKE STORM WATER WHERE YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING.

IF, IF THE WATER'S CLOUDY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CHANCE THAT SOMEBODY, UH, THERE WAS ILLICIT DISCHARGE OR, OR MAYBE THERE WAS A FISH KILLED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? SO IF SOMEBODY ILLEGAL DUMPS, THEN YOU CAN SEE THE TRASH OUT THERE THAT THEY'RE ILLEGAL.

SO THERE'S EVIDENCE, UH, OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.

WITH AIR, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO WORRY, YOU HAVE TO BE, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WHEN DIRECTIONS, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UH, WHAT OPERATIONS ARE GOING ON IN, IN THE FACILITY AT THE TIME THAT YOU'RE OUT TO INVESTIGATE THAT INVESTIGATION.

UM, OR TO INVESTIGATE THAT COMPLAINT.

SO YOU COULD GO OUT TO A COMPLAINT FOR TWO MONTHS STRAIGHT OR, OR, YOU KNOW, A MONTH STRAIGHT AND THE WIND'S BLOWING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, OR MAYBE THE FACILITY'S NOT HAVING THAT PARTICULAR OPERATION AT THAT TIME.

AND SO WE DO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE'LL CONTINUE TO GO OUT TO A COMPLAINT TO INVESTIGATE, BUT AT A CERTAIN POINT WE'LL CLOSE IT OUT AND WE'LL GIVE THE COMPLAINANT A SHEET AND IT'S LIKE A LOG SHEET SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP THAT SHEET UP AND TELL US, OKAY, I, I SMELLED THIS ODOR AT THIS TIME OF DAY, OR I SEE THIS HAPPEN AT THIS TIME OF DAY OR THAT TIME OF DAY.

THAT GIVES US SOME RECORD TO HELP US WITH, UH, ENFORCEMENT.

AND ALSO THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE GO BACK OUT THERE AT A LATER DATE AND CONTINUE THE INVESTIGATION.

BUT WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE 60 DAYS TO COMPLETE OUR, TO WRITE OUR REPORTS.

WE HAVE TO GET OUR REPORTS WRITTEN AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE NOT CLOSED OUT IN THE SYSTEM RIGHT AWAY, BUT WE WILL GIVE THE COMPLAINANT AN OPPORTUNITY AND GIVE THEM A LOG SHEET SO THAT WE CAN COME BACK OUT IF IT OCCURS AGAIN.

DID THAT, DID THAT KIND OF HELP YOU OUT A LITTLE BIT? OKAY.

VICE CHAIR, BABY.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU TO YOUR MAINTENANCE CREW FOR THE HARD WORK THEY'RE DOING.

THE COMMUNITY SEES THAT WORK AND APPRECIATES IT.

AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS'S AIR MONITORING EFFORTS SOLELY RELY ON T C E Q GRANTS? SAME T C E Q, THAT GRANTED G A F, THEIR TITLE FIVE PERMIT RENEWAL IN THE FACE OF MASSIVE COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORS OUT OUTSPEAK AND OUTRAGE AGAINST THAT, WE RELY ON T C Q GRANTS FOR THE REGIONAL AIR MONITORING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CLEAN AIR ACT.

UM, NOW WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR PROGRAMS LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, LEVEL MONITORING PROGRAM, WHICH IS PART OF THE CCAP RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, UH, WE HAVE MONITORS IN VARIOUS NEIGHBORHOODS THAT COLLECT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL DATA FUNDED BY THE CITY, RIGHT? BUT FOR THE T C Q, THAT'S, THAT'S REGIONAL DATA THAT'S, THAT'S TRYING TO GIVE US INFORMATION TO FIND OUT ARE WE STILL IN SEVERE AND NOT ENTERTAINMENT FOR OZONE? MM-HMM.

, IT'S NOT FOR POINT SOURCE SOLUTION.

IT'S NOT FOR, UH, TRYING TO FIND OUT IN A MISSION THAT'S COMING OFF A PARTICULAR F FACILITY.

IT'S MORE REGIONAL BASED DATA.

SO THAT'S WHAT THE T C Q GRANTS ARE ABOUT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AS PART OF AN A C P, WHAT REQUIREMENTS ARE THERE FOR SCRUBBERS OR FILTERS ON PROPERTIES AT LOCATIONS TO REDUCE EMISSIONS AT THE TITLE FIVE FACILITIES? GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOSEPH VU.

I'M THE MANAGER OF THE

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AIR COMPLIANCE PROGRAM IN O Q S.

UM, THAT'S A SITE SPECIFIC CASE BY CASE, UH, SCENARIO FOR AN EXAMPLE, TITLE FIVE FACILITY STANDARD OF EMISSIONS PROTECTING THESE MANAGERS.

IT DEPENDS ON THE FACILITIES, OPERATIONS AND ACTIVITIES.

SO FOR AN EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A FACILITY THAT THEY HOUSE AND NETWORK OVER 30 OR 40 DIESEL GENERATORS IN SUPPORT OF A, UM, DATA HUB NETWORK, WHICH HOUSES SENSITIVE DATA, WHICH CANNOT GO OFFLINE IN THE EVENT THAT SOME SORT OF ELECTRICAL OR, UH, SEVERE STORM COMES THROUGH AND KNOCKS OFF THE POWER.

SO THAT FACILITIES ACTIVITIES WOULD NOT BE COMPARABLE TO ANOTHER FACILITY THAT'S, UH, LET'S SAY LIKE A PAPER MILL.

SO THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT A SCRUBBER OR SOME SORT OF VEST, UH, ABATEMENT CONTROL TECHNOLOGY MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE FOR ALL TITLE FIVE FACILITIES, DEPENDING ON THE ACTIVITY AND OPERATION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

WELCOME.

WHAT THE HECK IS THE AIR POLLUTION REGISTRATION FEE? IS IT A MILLION DOLLARS ? CAN IT BE, IS THAT AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM? NO, NO, IT'S NOT AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM.

IT, IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE CITY CODE.

I, I THINK IT'S UM, FIVE A DASH, LEMME SEE.

IT'S AIR EMISSION CODE FIVE A THREE.

AND, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S A FEE FOR ANYONE WHO HAS A POTENTIAL TO ADMIT OR ADMIT.

CAN IT BE A MILLION DOLLARS? CAN CAN WE, IT'S NOT DETERMIN .

I CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

THAT'S A C O UH, QUESTION.

, WE'LL DO IT.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU MS. MARTIN.

GO AHEAD.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, UH, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO YOU SAID THANK YOU FOR THE WORK Y'ALL ARE DOING.

SUPER IMPORTANT IN DALLAS CUZ WE'VE GOT BIG AIR PROBLEMS. SO APPRECIATE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING TO TRY AND HELP US, UH, DEAL WITH IT.

UM, SO I'M GONNA JUMP RIGHT ON THAT POINT CAUSE IT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, WHICH IS ON THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, NOT A MILLION DOLLARS.

BUT, UH, MY QUESTION WAS GONNA BE, UM, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS, PAUL, WE SAY 20 SOMETHING YEARS.

SO YOU, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MARKET HERE.

ARE WE, IS IT THE SAME BIG ENTITIES? IS A LOT OF SAME FOLKS THAT ARE PAYING THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS? ARE SOME FOLKS PAYING IT AND THEN THEY'RE IMPROVING THEIR OPERATIONS AND THEN THEY'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THAT FEE ANYMORE? THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE RIGHT TO POLLUTE, I'M JUST WONDERING GOING? OH NO, IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S AN ONGOING FEE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY CONTROLS YOU HAVE AND YOU HAVE TO PAY THAT FEE, BUT IT DEPENDS ON YOUR FACILITY.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT DEPENDS ON THE FACILITY AND YOUR ADMISSIONS, RIGHT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

I JUST WONDER IF YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF COMPANIES GO, WE DON'T WANNA PAY THAT.

WE'D RATHER IMPROVE THE WAY WE OPERATE, CLEAN UP OUR EMISSIONS AND DOES NOT PAY IT.

NO, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY, UH, OKAY.

FACILITIES SAY THAT.

YEAH.

WELL MAYBE THIS IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION FOR OUR GROUP TO ESTHER'S POINT IS, WELL, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO QUIT PAYING THAT FEE? THAT MIGHT BE AWFUL CHEAP.

UM, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR US.

BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THE OTHER QUICK QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU, WE'VE GOT THE, WE GOT THE SEVEN MONITORS AROUND DALLAS.

UM, IF YOU HAD ALL THE RESOURCES YOU NEED, UM, IS THERE A CERTAIN NUMBER YOU SAID WE REALLY COULD USE NINE OR 12 OR WHATEVER.

DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE DOING THE JOB FOR THE ASSIGNMENT THAT Y'ALL HAVE? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE.

OH, I MEAN, OF COURSE, BECAUSE THERE ARE THOSE, UH, COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ON FENCE LINE.

I MEAN, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AREAS RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE, UM, MONITORS, UH, NEAR THOSE AREAS JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET, UH, REGULATORY OR REG REGULATORY AIR QUALITY DATA.

UH, UH, SO YES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

I FIGURED THE ANSWER WAS MORE, BUT ANYWAY.

WE'LL, WE'LL SUBSEQUENTLY TALK ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT.

COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD.

UH, THANK Y'ALL.

CAN UH, ERIN, CAN Y'ALL GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE WHERE THE MAP WAS, WHERE THE, UH, ADMIN, UH, ERROR MONITORS ARE RIGHT THERE? UH, MY QUESTION IS, ALL THESE, UH, MONITORS THAT'S LOCATED ON THIS MAP IS SHOWING THAT THEY'RE AROUND BUSINESSES.

UH, MY QUESTION IS, WHY ARE THERE LOCATED AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS? CAUSE IT'S LIKE LANCASTER, THE, UM, DALLAS, IT'S A PER PART AND IT'S LIKE ALL COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS LIKE OFF THE HIGHWAY.

ARE ARE THESE MONITORS LOCATED BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOODS OR AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS OR THESE ARE JUST AROUND COMMERCIAL SITES? WELL, SOME OF THEM AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU SEE WITH A STAR ON IT.

MM-HMM.

, UH, THAT'S IN THE BONINE AREA.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S,

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THAT'S ONE OF THESE PART OF THIS APARTMENT RIGHT HERE.

THAT'S THE CORRECT.

AND UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE ONE THAT'S, UH, NEAR WEST DALLAS? UH, I, I'M SORRY, IN WEST DALLAS.

IT'S THE, UH, EARHART RIGHT UP THERE.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY, COOL.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

MM-HMM.

.

AND THEN AC DID YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW MORE THAT, UH, HOW Y'ALL DOING? I'M AC FLY.

I'M THE MANAGER OF THE AM AMBIENT AIR MONITORING TEAM.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT NOW MM-HMM.

MONITOR, UH, I CAN'T .

OKAY.

NO, BUT VALOR.

, THAT'S H HILL.

OH NO.

ARLINGTON PARK, IS IT ARLINGTON PARK? I FORGET THE NAME OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S RIGHT THERE ON HIDDEN HITTING STREET RIGHT OFF MOCKINGBIRD.

OKAY.

YEAH.

SO HE WAS WONDERING HOLLYWOOD.

OKAY.

SO I, THAT WAS JUST MY QUESTION.

WHERE, WHERE WAS THESE MONITORS LOCATED AROUND NEIGHBORHOODS? SO, UH, THE ONE IN BUNTON, THEY AT BUNTON FARM AND THE ONE AT THE SCHOOL IS AT THE SCHOOL.

THAT'S A GOOD LOCATION CAUSE KIDS GO TO SCHOOL THERE.

OKAY.

BUT I JUST NOTICED IT'S, YOU KNOW, WELL THAT'S, THERE'S NOT, I WAS NEIGHBORHOOD, I WAS GONNA SAY FOR THE RECORD, UH, THE ONE THAT'S IN, IN RED BIRD, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HIGHLAND HILLS, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S OLD CLIFF.

NO.

AND RAY BIRD AIRPORT.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT'S THAT IT'S NOT TOO MANY.

SO I JUST WANT TO, FOR THE RECORD, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SAY THAT THERE'S ONE IN HIGHLAND HILLS.

THE CLOSEST ONE IS GONNA BE THE ONE THAT'S IN BONINE TO HIGHLAND HILLS.

AND THAT ONE ACTUALLY IS SET THERE TO CATCH, UM, FROM THE INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES FROM THAT, FROM THAT, UH, CORRIDOR OFF OF I 20 CORRIDOR OVER THERE.

SO, UM, THAT WILL, IS THERE TO COLLECT EMISSIONS FROM THAT AREA, BUT IT'S NOT LOCATED IN HIGHLAND HILLS.

OH, OKAY.

THAT'S MY FAULT.

I SAY .

OKAY.

OR PARK.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO IT'S JUST ONE IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S KIND OF ALERTING BECAUSE WITH, UH, WHAT Y'ALL COLLECTING THROUGH THESE MONITORS, YOU WOULD THINK Y'ALL WOULD PUT MORE, UH, SOME OF 'EM CLOSE TO THE COMMUNITIES, AROUND THE COMMUNITIES.

UH, THAT'S JUST WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT THE PLACING OF THESE MONITORS.

THANK YOU.

YES.

AND HONESTLY, I'M GONNA SAY THIS TOO.

SO THE ONE THAT'S IN, IN BOND TIME, THE REASON THAT'S THERE IS FOUR, YOUR CONCERN BECAUSE THERE WAS NOT ANY MONITORS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND, UH, AC MYSELF, UH, WE TALKED TO THE T C Q ABOUT THAT.

WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT JPI, WE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE SOUTHERN SECTOR IN GENERAL.

WE HAD TO WRITE A, A PROPOSAL, UH, WITH THE CRITERIA.

WE LOOKED FOR SEVERAL DIFFERENT, UH, LOCATIONS AND THAT WAS A BETTER LOCATION FOR US.

AND WE RAN THAT THROUGH, UM, E P A AS WELL AS T C Q.

OKAY.

JUST NOTE, THERE'S NO INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES AROUND BUNTON FARM, BUT, UH, I WAS TOLD IT GETS THE DOWNWIND FROM THE COMPANY IS COMING LIKE FROM I 24 NORTH.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD ABOUT THIS MONITOR.

BUT YOU KNOW, I LIVE RIGHT THERE BETWEEN JOCKY AND BUNTON.

IT'S A LOT OF VEGETATED TREES AND EVERYTHING.

DO THOSE TREES WILL HINDER GETTING A DATA COMING DOWN FROM SOUTH FOREST THAT MONITOR? WELL, THE MONITORS HAVE A SIGHTING CRITERIA IN ORDER TO, UM, THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED IN ORDER TO PUT A MONITOR UP.

UH, THAT SHOULDN'T IMPACT, UH, THE, THE RESULTS OF THE MONITOR.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

COMMISSION ROBERTSON, GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO, UH, CONGRATULATE YOU.

THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.

UM, IT'S IMPRESSIVE THAT SOMEBODY, YOU HAVE THAT KIND, YOU NEED THAT KIND OF MANPOWER TO MAINTAIN 'EM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

SOMEBODY'S LOOKING AT THEM.

UH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UM, WHEN A MONITOR DOESN'T MONITOR, MONITOR, WHAT IS THE RANGE ON A MONITOR? I KNOW IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE WIND AND EVERYTHING, BUT HOW MANY MILES? THAT QUESTION'S KIND OF HARD TO ANSWER BASED ON ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

WELL LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEALING IN DISTRICT EIGHT.

WE'RE DEALING WITH A, A PROPOSED BATCH PLAN.

4,500 S 4,500 TRINITY RIVER.

IS THERE A AIR MON QUALITY MONITOR NEAR THERE ALREADY? THAT IS MONITORING ANYTHING? IS THAT, THAT'S, NO.

IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER, THAT'S ONE I'M ASKING.

CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T, YEAH, THE CLOSEST ONE WOULD BE THE BONINE.

UH, THAT'S A REGULATORY

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MONITOR.

OKAY.

SO IT HAS THAT KIND OF RANGE TO FROM THE TRINITY.

YES.

OKAY.

YES.

SO IF THE, IF THE AIR QUALITY WAS POOR, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO PICK THAT UP.

AND I'M NOT CHALLENGING YOU, I'M EDUCATING MYSELF, ASKING YOU THE QUESTION.

WELL, AND ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REGIONAL AND NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL.

SO I THINK YOU WOULD GET A BETTER RESULT IF YOU HAD A MONITOR THAT WAS RIGHT NEAR THAT.

THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL MONITORING PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE.

UH, I THINK THERE'S ONE NEAR, UM, WHAT COMMUNITY IS THAT? THE FLORA FARMS COMMUNITY? I BELIEVE WE PUT ONE UP THERE.

UM, THAT'S PRETTY FAR.

YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA CATCH THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT YEAH.

IF YOU WERE LIVING LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, UM, I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A MONITOR A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.

OKAY.

TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WAS THAT SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD WHEN YOU TALKED WITH THE EPA? YES.

SO HOW MANY, RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY MONITORS ARE IN DISTRICT EIGHT THAT WE, IS IT TWO AND THEY'RE ALL AT FLOOR FARMS, OR, I DON'T BELIEVE IS BONTON.

BONTON IS NOT DISTRICT EIGHT.

THAT'S SEVEN.

YEAH, THAT'S DISTRICT SEVEN.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY REGULATORY MONITORS IN DISTRICT EIGHT AT THE MOMENT.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S SOME OF THE NEXT TO CHOPPY.

THAT'S SOME OF THE WORST AIR QUALITY YOU EVER WANNA SEE.

I HAD, UH, HEY, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, I HAD A PATIENT, I'M A NURSE AND I WAS DOING HOME HEALTH AND EVERY TIME I VISIT HER, SHE'D HAVE HER INHALER ON THE DINING ROOM TABLE.

SHE FELL, WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL.

LONG STORY SHORT, HER DAUGHTER CHOSE TO BRING HER HOME CUZ SHE SAID THAT THEY JUST COULDN'T WATCH HER.

SHE WAS IN HER OWN LITTLE APARTMENT, UH, NEAR OFF SIMPSON STEWART.

NOT TO VIOLATE HIPAA, BUT THAT'S KINDA WHERE SHE WAS.

YEAH.

AND SO, UH, AFTER SHE GOT OUT OF THE HOSPITAL, I RESUMED MY VISITS.

HER DAUGHTER LIVED UP BY 1382.

AND EVERY TIME I IN THE HOUSE, UH, ONCE SHE WAS WITH HER DAUGHTER, SHE COULDN'T EVEN FIND WHERE INHALER WAS.

AND SHE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DEMENTIA, BUT IT WASN'T THAT BAD.

SHE SAID, MS. RENEE, SHE SAID, NOW I CAN BREATHE.

YEAH.

.

SO I'M, I'M JUST SAYING, AND WHEN I'M SCHOOL NURSE, SOME OF THE NO MORE, NO CHILDREN RUN MORE ASTHMA THAN THE CHILDREN OF SOUTH DALLAS.

SOUTHEAST DALLAS COUNTY.

SO IT'S, IF BEARS LOOKING AT IS OVERDUE, I'M NOT SAYING YOU ALL WEREN'T DOING A GOOD JOB, BUT WE NEED THAT DONE.

WE NEED TO GET THAT IN THERE.

YES, SIR.

AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER WALLACE.

THANK YOU.

UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING TO THE MONITORS THAT EXIST IN FLORAL FARMS, WE'RE SPEAKING TO THE NON-REGULATORY NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, AIR QUALITY MONITORS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN DEPLOYED, HAVE NOT YET BEEN INSTALLED, THAT THEY'RE YES.

THERE.

AND, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION TOO.

AND THE TWO, UH, THAT, THAT ARE GOING TO GO INTO CHOPPY, WHICH WOULD BE CLOSEST TO THE BATCH THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN INSTALLED TO DATE.

YES.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER UH, WALLACE, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

MY QUESTION IS ON THE MAP ALSO, I WENT TO YOUR WEBSITE.

I, WHAT I CAN'T SEE IS THE KEY.

AND, UM, I'M WONDERING WHY SOME OF THE DIFFERENT MONITORS APPEAR TO MONITOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT, LIKE, WHEN I CLICK ON THE, I'M ON YOUR WEBSITE.

WHEN I CLICK ON LET'S SAY THE BEAR STREET MONITOR, UH, IT TELLS ME THAT IT'S MONITORING FOR A PARTICULATE MATTER.

AND THEN, UM, ERHARDT, I CAN'T QUITE TELL, I'M GONNA CLICK ON THAT ONE, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING HOW IT'S DETERMINED AT DIFFERENT SITES, WHAT WILL BE MONITORED.

UH, SO WE FOLLOW THE EPA MONITOR, UH, DETERMINE IS IT GOING, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? OKAY.

YEAH.

SO, UH, WE FOLLOWED THAT, THAT EPA, A AIR MONITOR NETWORK PLAN, WHICH IS, WE CAN ALSO SEE THAT ON THE EPAS NETWORK.

UH, AND IT DETERMINES, UM, WHAT POLLUTANTS BASED ON DIFFERENT CRITERIA, UH, THAT WE MONITOR FOR.

SO THE EPA SETS THE CRITERIA? YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

MS. BAYOU, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT OR A QUESTION?

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YES.

UM, FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. WHITE FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE DEDICATION TEAM, UM, IS PUTTING IN, UH, MY QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO THEIR AIR COMPLIANCE PROGRAM, WHICH YOU MENTIONED, UM, PRIMARILY CONCENTRATES ON ENFORCEMENT.

UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE T C Q PROVIDES A SCOPE FOR THESE PROGRAMS. DOES THE O E Q S HAVE ANY INPUT IN THE SCOPE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS? UM, AND IS THERE ANY PROVISION FOR THE O E Q S TO MODIFY THE SCOPE? IF THE ISSUES, UM, IF OTHER ISSUES COME UP AFTER THE PROGRAM COMMENCES? UH, YES, WE DO HAVE INPUT INTO THAT.

UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT.

SO WE TRY OUR BEST TO, UM, INSPECT CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS.

NOW, THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR PLAN, SO WE HAVE TO INSPECT TITLE FIVE S ANNUALLY, BUT WE'VE SPOKEN TO THE T C Q AND THEY UNDERSTAND, UM, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT CLIMATE.

SO WE, AS FAR AS BATCH PLANTS ARE CONCERN, UH, SO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GO OUT AND INSPECT AS MANY, UH, CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS AS WE CAN ANNUALLY.

SO WE DO HAVE INPUT INTO THE PLAN.

OKAY.

UM, ONE MORE QUESTION.

IF, UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS MORE STRINGENT AIR QUALITY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ONE WOULD THE O E Q S ADHERE TO? UM, WOULD YOU STILL HAVE TO JUST FOLLOW T C E Q? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? IF THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS MORE STRINGENT AIR QUALITY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH REQUIREMENTS WOULD THE O E Q S ADHERE TO? UM, WE ADHERE, WE ADHERE TO ALL OF, UM, WELL, THE CITY CAN'T HAVE MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS THAN THE STATE.

OH, OKAY.

MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO WE DEFER TO THE STATE.

THE STATE HAS, UH, AUTHORITY.

SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW I MISUNDERSTOOD IT.

THANK YOU.

WAS THAT IT, MS. BAY? YES.

OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER DANKER.

GO AHEAD.

THANK CHAIRWOMAN.

THANK YOU MR. WHITE AND EVERYBODY PRESENT, UM, FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS, UM, AS WE ALL KNOW, BREATHING CLEAN AIR IS ONE OF OUR EIGHT GOALS FOR THE CCAP.

IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT FOR, UH, EVERYONE WHO WORKS HERE AND CALLS DALLAS HOME.

UM, JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THE NUMBERS YOU MENTIONED FROM THE COMPLIANCE PERSPECTIVE.

SO THE, THE NUMBERS YOU LISTED FOR SITES THAT WERE INSPECTED BY CITY OF DALLAS STAFF, HOW MANY OF THOSE REPRESENT, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SAY THIS? WHAT A PERCENTAGE THAT OF, OF THE OVERALL PERMITTED FACILITIES THAT, THAT SHOULD BE INSPECTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

OKAY.

SO WE WOULD, WE INSPECT ALL OF THE FACILITIES THAT SHOULD BE INSPECTED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

AND THOSE ARE THE TITLE FIVE FACILITIES.

SO EVERY, EVERY TITLE FIVE PERMANENT FACILITY GETS INSPECTED EVERY YEAR? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND ON, ON THAT LIST OF, OF HOW MANY YOU INSPECT, HOW MANY ARE OUT OF, OUT OF COMPLIANCE, AND IS THAT REPORTED PUBLICLY ANYWHERE FOR THE COMMUNITIES TO SEE? YES.

YOU CAN CHECK THE T C Q WEBSITE TO FIND OUT IF THOSE SITES ARE OUTTA COMPLIANCE.

UM, MATTER OF FACT, WITH OUR INSPECTION REPORTS, YOU CAN ALSO LOOK THOSE UP ON A T C Q.

UM, THERE'S A LINK ON THEIR WEBSITE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT OUR REPORTS AND FIND OUT, UH, WHAT FACILITIES ARE, ARE NOT IN, IN COMPLIANCE AT THE TIME.

MM-HMM.

.

AND SO ROUGHLY IF YOU HAVE THE NUMBER, GREAT.

IF NOT, UM, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US AN ESTIMATE OF THE INSPECTIONS YOU DID, HOW, HOW MANY WERE OUT OF COMPLIANCE IN THIS PAST YEAR? OH, I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR YOU TODAY.

OKAY.

UH, CAN YOU JUST SHARE THAT LINK WITH, UH, OUR, OUR COMMISSION SO WE CAN SURE.

HAVE THAT READILY AVAILABLE TO SHARE WITH OTHERS IN OUR COMMUNITY? SURE.

WE CAN DO THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU REFERRING TO CENTRAL REGISTRY OR, BECAUSE YOU CAN ALSO SEARCH THE COMMISSIONER'S INTEGRATED DATABASE AND PULL JUST DALLAS COUNTY ENFORCEMENT ACTION, AND THEN IT'LL LIST ALL OF THE VIOLATIONS FOR FACILITIES.

OKAY.

IN DALLAS PROPER.

SO IF YOU WANNA SEARCH T C E Q COMMISSIONER'S INTEGRATED DATABASE, BUT YOU CAN ALSO FIND SITE SPECIFIC INFORMATION IN THE TCQ CENTRAL REGISTRY, AND YOU TYPE IN THE NAME, THE CUSTOMER NAME, UM, AND IT'LL PULL UP ALL OF THE VARIOUS PERMITS FOR THAT FACILITY, AND YOU CAN CLICK INTO THEM FURTHER TO FIND OUT WHAT ENFORCEMENT ACTION, UH, VIOLATIONS OR, UM, OTHER INSPECTION

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INFORMATION, UH, COMPLAINTS, ET CETERA.

PERFECT.

I GUESS JUST MY LAST QUESTION IS IF YOU COULD JUST ELABORATE ON WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UH, WHENEVER A, YOU KNOW, A SITE FAILS ITS INSPECTION.

WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS NEXT? HI, GOOD EVENING.

AGAIN.

MY NAME IS JOSEPH BU, UH, MANAGER OF AIR COMPLIANCE PROGRAM.

SO TYPICALLY, UH, WHEN A FACILITY IS NON-COMPLIANT WITH THEIR REQUIREMENTS OR CONDITIONS FOR THEIR REGISTRATION OR PERMIT, IT IS IDENTIFIED AND ISSUED AS A, AN ALLEGED VIOLATION FOR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH WHATEVER CITATION OR REQUIREMENT THEY HAVE.

UH, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF SUB, UH, VIOLATION OR SEVERITY OF THE VIOLATION, THE TIMEFRAME COULD BE PROVIDED TO THE FACILITY FOR THEM TO DEMONSTRATE CORRECTIVE ACTION TO COME BACK INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR CONDITIONS.

UH, AGAIN, IT'S CASE BY CASE, UH, SPECIFIC, DEPENDING ON SEVERITY AND TYPE OF VIOLATION, UH, TIMEFRAME WILL BE PROVIDED.

AND THEN FACILITY MUST DEMONSTRATE BY THAT TIMEFRAME THAT THEY HAVE, UH, IMPLEMENTED CORRECTIVE ACTION.

OKAY.

I GUESS JUST ONE MORE FOLLOW UP.

ARE THERE ANY, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY AVAILABLE LIST, UH, FACILITIES THAT ARE, AND IF THIS IS THE SAME LOCATION, THEN THEN GREAT AS WHAT CATHERINE JUST MENTIONED, MRS. ON JUST MENTIONED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE FIND A LIST OF ANY FACILITIES THAT ARE STILL OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND, AND NOT UNDER THEIR CORRECTIVE ACTION PLANS, MEANING THEIR, THEIR ACTION PLANS? I WOULD REFER BACK TO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER BAAN SAID WITH THE WEBSITE, UH, LOOKING AT THE FACILITY SPECIFIC INFORMATION AND THEN DETERMINING IF THEY'RE STILL A NON-COMPLIANCE OR NOT.

THERE'S NO SPECIFIC LIST THAT DETAILS, UH, THE LIST OF FACILITIES OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

OKAY.

SO THE CITY OF DALLAS DOESN'T MANAGE THAT? NO.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

I'VE ABSENT, OH, MR. MERKELS.

THANK YOU, MADAM SHARON, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING.

GIVEN THAT THE CITY HAS LONG LAST MADE AN ISSUE OF ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND RACIAL EQUITY, UH, HAVING LIVED IN SOUTHWEST HILL CLIFF FOR 26 YEARS NOW, I AM, I'M ONLY SURPRISED WE'RE OUTTA SHOCK THAT THERE ARE SO FEW MONITORS IN THE SOUTHERN DALLAS AREA, ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF, UM, AIR POLLUTION, WATER POLLUTION FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE SITES IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.

SO, MY QUESTION NOT PUTS YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT A LONGER HERE, AND THE CITY BUDGET ISN'T SET UNTIL THEN, SEPTEMBER.

SO DOES YOUR DIVISION NEED MORE MONEY? BECAUSE IF YOU DO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, THEY'LL GO OUT THERE AND HELP YOU GET MORE MONEY.

BECAUSE I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.

WE NEED TO SEE PROGRESS ON THIS.

AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE IN EVERYTHING YOU CAN, BUT IF MONEY IS AN ISSUE, IF BUDGET'S AN ISSUE, THEN PLEASE LET US KNOW.

JAIL PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM WILL FIGHT FOR YOU.

CAUSE WE'RE GONNA FIGHT FOR OUR CITIZENS, WE'RE GONNA FIGHT FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.

SO IF WE CAN HELP YOU IN ANY WAY, PLEASE LET US KNOW CUZ YOU'RE TALKING TO THE RIGHT FOLKS.

TALK, PREACH THROUGH THE CHOIR HERE.

SO WE WANT TO GO OUT AND HELP YOU.

AND IF WE CAN'T HELP YOU IN THAT REGARD, WHETHER WE NEED TO PASS A RESOLUTION SAYING THAT WE NEED TO GO FURTHER IN THIS REGARD.

BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT, WE DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.

WE KNOW THE STATUS QUO IS NOT SATISFACTORY.

SO TELL US WHAT WE CAN DO AND WE WILL DO IT TO HELP YOU AND HELP THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY.

THANK YOU MADAM CHIEF.

UM, THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.

I, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, SO I CAN SAY THAT, UH, PART OF OUR RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, BIG AUDACIOUS GOAL, UM, THERE WAS AN AMOUNT OF MONEY I LEAVES 250,000 TO, UM, INCREASE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL AIR MONITORING PROGRAM.

NOW, THAT'S A NON-REGULATORY PROGRAM.

UM, BUT THOSE FUNDS WOULD HELP PROVIDE, UH, MORE AIR SENSORS FOR THE EJ AREAS.

AS FAR AS OUR PROGRAMS, WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK TO T C Q AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE GRANT FUNDING FOR US TO PROVIDE MORE REGULAR MONITORS IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR.

BUT I CAN TELL Y'ALL JUST FROM HAVING MEETINGS WITH THE T C Q, CAUSE WE MEET WITH THEM, UH, MONTHLY ABOUT OUR VARIOUS PROGRAMS. AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT JUST THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, BUT IN GENERAL AREAS, EJ AREAS THAT, UM, DON'T HAVE THE AMOUNT OF MAYBE MONITORS THAT THEY NEED.

UH, SO THE, THE STATE DOES RECOGNIZE, UM, AND SEE

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FROM THAT LENS.

SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US WORKING TOGETHER, UH, TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF MONITORS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH MEANS THAT WE WOULD NEED FUNDING TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT WE HAVE.

HONESTLY, IT'S JUST NOT EASY TO FIND, UM, PEOPLE WHO CAN MAINTAIN THESE MONITORS AND HAVE THE ABILITY , LIKE AC ACS, A MECHANICAL ENGINEER.

UM, AND WE'RE HIRING ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALISTS, UH, TO WORK ON THESE MONITORS.

SO, I MEAN, IT, IT'S, WE COULD DEFINITELY, WE, WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND WE DEFINITELY SEE THINGS FROM THE LENS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF.

AND I ALSO BELIEVE THE STATE DOES AS WELL.

SO, UH, WE JUST HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO IMPROVE.

THANK YOU, DR.

A SO FOOT QUESTION.

THE REGULATORY MONITORS ARE REALLY THOSE MONITORS WHERE WE CAN, UM, HAVE SOME ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? IS THAT TRUE VERSUS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, MONITORS THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL MONITORS? CORRECT.

AND SO WE HAVE, WELL, WE'RE GONNA GET THE DATA FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL MONITORS, BUT WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE YOU ABLE TO ACT UPON WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL MONITORS OTHER THAN MONITORS? OTHER THAN MAKING THE COMMUNITY AWARE OF THAT, THAT THERE'S INCREASED POLLUTION? WHAT, WHAT IS THE ACTIONABLE ITEM THAT WE CAN DO WITH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL MONITORS IN TERMS OF REINFORCING IF WE CAN USE THE REGULAR OR MONITORS FOR? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, SO COMING FROM A, COMING FROM A WATER BACKGROUND, WE HAD THIS PROGRAM THAT'S CALLED STREAM TEAM.

I'M NOT SURE IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

I USED TO TEACH CLASSES UP AT THE AUDUBON FOR THE STREAM TEAM, AND WE HAD, UM, WE HAD RESIDENTS GOING, THEY, THEY SAMPLE DIFFERENT CREEKS.

AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS WHEN THEY BROUGHT THAT, UM, THE RESULTS BACK TO US, WE WOULD LOOK AT THOSE RESULTS.

EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDN'T HAVE, UH, THEY WEREN'T CERTIFIED AS FAR AS LIKE THE, THE SAMPLES THEY RECEIVED DISSOLVED OXYGEN OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

THEY, MAYBE THEY WEREN'T CERTIFIED FOR IT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT INFORMATION, UH, GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THIS CREEK OVER HERE.

MAYBE WE NEED TO, MAYBE WE NEED TO CHECK IT OUT.

MAYBE WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

UM, SO I KIND OF LOOK AT THESE SENSORS IN A SIMILAR WAY, RIGHT? UM, WE LOOK AT THIS DATA THAT COMES IN, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT ABOUT THAT DATA, THEN THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR JOE'S COMPLIANCE TEAM, UH, TO MAYBE GO AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AREA.

MAYBE WE NEED TO DRIVE AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON OUT HERE.

SO FROM A, UH, COMPLIANCE STAND STANDPOINT, UH, THAT'S WHAT THOSE MONITORS CAN HELP US WITH.

MS, MR AHEAD.

UM, I WANNA, UH, FOLLOW UP ON THE, WHAT MY COLLEAGUE, UH, MR. MARQUIS HAS SAID ABOUT, UM, WE KNOW ENOUGH, WE DON'T HAVE PRECISE INFORMATION BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF SUITABLE MONITORS AT THIS POINT.

BUT WE KNOW THAT THE MONITORS, FROM WHAT WE KNOW, THAT PARTICULATES AS A FACTOR ARE CAUSING, UM, CHILDREN TO HAVE ASTHMA PROBLEMS. AND THAT THOSE ARE WINDING CHILDREN UP IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL.

THE COMBINATION OF INDOOR AND AIR, OUTDOOR AIR QUALITY ARE THE TWO BIGGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO DISPARITY THAT WE SEE IN ASTHMA OUTCOMES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND THAT'S COSTING THE STATE MONEY BECAUSE A LOT OF THOSE CHILDREN ARE IN MEDICAID.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE FUNDS ARE COMING FROM ONE PLACE, T C E Q, AND THE DOWNSIDE BURDEN IS COMING FROM ANOTHER PLACE IN STATE BURN THE MEDICAID BUDGET.

WE NEED TO REALIZE THAT IT'S ALL ONE POT, AND WE STAND WITH YOU AT FINDING OUT THE INFORMATION, GETTING IT, UH, BETTER QUANTIFIED AND THEREFORE MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT WE NEED BETTER, UM, UH, BETTER ENFORCEMENT.

WE RECENTLY WON AN EJ GRANT, CORRECT, FROM THE EPA FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AIR MONITORS.

HOW MANY DID WE PURCHASE AND HOW MUCH MONEY'S LEFT? ARE WE APPLYING FOR OTHER GRANTS? DO WE HAVE ANY MORE NEIGHBORHOOD MONITORS, UM, MAPPED OUT WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I BELIEVE YOU'VE HEARD FROM WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS THAT ON YOUR RADAR?

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RIGHT? SO I'M O I'M OVER THE REGULATORY SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

UM, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT QUESTION FOR, UM, SUE ALVAREZ AND KEVIN OVERTON, BUT WE'LL GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT'S MM-HMM.

, UM, AN EASY ASK.

YES.

OKAY.

UH, I DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE WITH THEIR HAND RAISE.

LET ME JUST CHECK THE VIRTUAL SIDE ONE MORE TIME, MAKE SURE I DIDN'T MISS ANYONE.

OKAY.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UH, A COUPLE COMMENTS.

SO THANK YOU GUYS VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

WE KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE, THE, THE DIFFICULT CHALLENGE OF RESPONDING TO ALL OF THE VARIOUS COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN, UM, WHILE OBVIOUSLY TRYING TO COORDINATE, UH, ONGOING OR QUALITY PROGRAMS, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, ET CETERA.

UM, SO WHAT I'VE HEARD THIS EVENING IS THAT WE'VE ADDED AND, AND MODIFIED OUR PLAN WITH THE TCEQ TO ADD CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS AND, AND TO INVESTIGATE THOSE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IN ADDITION TO THE TITLE FIVE AUTHORIZATIONS IN THE CITY.

NO.

OKAY.

SO WHEN I'M SAYING WE MODIFY, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MODIFY IT TO SAY IT AS PART OF OUR WORK PLAN MM-HMM.

THAT WE WILL TRY TO GO TO AS MANY BATCH PLANTS AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WHEN THE T CQ DEVELOPS OUR WORK PLAN, THEY TELL US WHAT TYPE OF INDUSTRIES TO GO TO.

OKAY.

UM, BUT WE'VE MADE IT A POINT TO SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO INSPECT AS MANY CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS AS WE CAN.

OKAY.

UM, THROUGH THE YEAR.

SO NO, THERE'S NOT AN ANNUAL.

UM, SO EACH BATCH WARRANT IS NOT RECEIVING AN ANNUAL INSPECTION.

IT'S JUST AN INITIAL INSPECTION WHEN, WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO, BETWEEN OUR, CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE NOT DOING ANNUAL INSPECTIONS FOR ANY MINOR N SR AUTHORIZATIONS IN THE CITY UNLESS THERE'S SOME TYPE OF COMPLAINT, AND THAT'S WHEN WE'LL GO AND INVESTIGATE.

IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND SO NONE OF THE OTHER TYPES OF INDUSTRIES OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE T E C E Q IDENTIFIES AS OUR WORK PLAN ARE OUR FOCUS OUTSIDE OF BATCH PLANS? IS THAT RIGHT? JUST THE BATCH PLANS.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE, THAT'S THE, ESSENTIALLY THE COMPONENT THAT WE'VE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

RIGHT.

THAT'S THE COMPONENT WE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

OKAY.

BUT JODY, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT YOU FEEL OFTEN HAVE THE SAME NEGATIVE IMPACT OR ARE, UM, NUISANCE TYPE, UM, ISSUES THAT YOU SEE REPETITIVELY FROM OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT ARE NOT CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION? DO YOU, I MEAN, ARE, WE HAVE A LOT OF, OF, UH, COMPLAINTS THAT COME IN.

OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF AIR QUALITY COMPLAINTS.

I'M SURE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KEEP YOU VERY BUSY.

UM, OUTSIDE OF OUR TITLE FIVE INVESTIGATIONS AND OUTSIDE OF CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS, ARE THERE OTHER INDUSTRIES THAT ARE KNOWN TO CREATE SORT OF A NUISANCE? DO WE HAVE A LOT OF AUTO BODY FACILITIES IN OUR, OUR, UH, CITY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATE AN ISSUE? DO WE HAVE OTHER TYPES OF INDUSTRY THAT WE CAN LIKEN TO CONCRETE BATCH PLANTS AS FAR AS THE, THE NUISANCE THAT THEY CREATE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS? WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER GO BACK AND RUN SOME TYPE OF DATA ANALYSIS ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE INSPECTIONS THAT WE'VE DONE, COMPLAINTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, UM, TO REALLY PUT A NUMBER TO THAT.

YEAH.

AND I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED TO UNDERSTAND, IS THERE ANOTHER WAY THAT WE COULD MODIFY THE WORK PLAN TO BETTER ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE'RE SEEING AS A CITY AS FAR AS AIR QUALITY CONCERNS WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS? BECAUSE NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A TITLE FIVE FACILITY, AND NOT EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A CONCRETE BATCH PLANT, BUT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AIR QUALITY ISSUES IN OUR CITY, UM, THAT ARE POINT SOURCED THAT ARE NOT MOBILE, UH, EMISSION SOURCES.

MM-HMM.

.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ASK FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO BRING BACK TO US.

UM, AND THEN, UM, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY RELATED MORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL AIR QUALITY MONITORS.

SO I'LL SAVE THAT FOR, UM, FOR KEVIN AND HIS TEAM.

UH, SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR, OH, I'M SO SORRY.

SORRY, RITA.

I DIDN'T SEE OVER THERE.

MS SEVEN, GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

SO I HAVE A QUESTION, PAUL, IN, IN REGARDS TO GETTING THOSE, THE GRANT FROM THE T C Q FOR INSPECTIONS AND SO FORTH, IS THERE, LIKE, FOLLOWING UP ON THE CHAIRWOMAN, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ASK FOR MORE FUNDS FROM TCEQ SO WE CAN BEEF UP THOSE INSPECTIONS?

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OR ARE THE GRANTS FROM THE STATE ALL FOR X DOLLARS AND YOU ONLY APPLY FOR X? OR IS THERE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR MORE MONEY SO WE COULD GET MORE INSPECTION DONE? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

RIGHT.

WELL, AS FAR AS OUR INSPECTIONS ARE CONCERNED, WE'RE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE BUDGET ON THAT.

UM, AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN, WE HAVE MONEY WITHIN OUR INSPECTORS TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE, UH, THE EQUIPMENT.

WE NEED SUPPLIES, VEHICLES, STAFF, WE, WE DO HAVE FUNDS FOR THAT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH T C E Q TO ASK FOR A BIGGER POT OF MONEY SO THAT YOU COULD HAVE MORE INSPECTORS, MORE EQUIPMENT, MORE EVERYTHING TO INSPECT MORE? YES, THERE'S DEFINITELY AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT EVERY YEAR.

LIKE, UH, THIS YEAR WE HAVE OUR THREE GRANTS THAT ARE GOING UP, UH, THAT NEED TO BE RENEWED.

SO ANYTIME THAT WE HAVE GRANTS GOING UP, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO ASK FOR MORE FUNDING.

I HOPE YOU GUYS WILL.

THANKS.

WE DO .

TRUST ME, RIGHT.

.

ALL RIGHT, FRIENDS.

MOVING ON TO BRIEFING ITEM B.

ITEM B IS BRIEFING ON THE CITY'S ODOR INVESTIGATION PROCEDURES.

UM, WITH OUR O E Q S, UM, MANAGER OF THE AIR COMPLIANCE TEAM.

MR. JOSEPH VU, GO AHEAD.

THANK, THANK YOU CHAIRWOMAN.

UH, HELLO AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MY NAME IS JOSEPH VU.

I'M THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGER FOR THE AIR COMPLIANCE PROGRAM IN THE CITY OF DALLAS OQS DEPARTMENT.

UH, TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING, UH, ABOUT ODOR INVESTIGATION PROCESSES.

SO PRESENTATION OVERVIEW.

WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A BACKGROUND PURPOSE, NUISANCE REGULATION, UH, ODOR INVESTIGATION PROCEDURES, ODOR, NUISANCE CONFIRMATION, UH, ODOR INVESTIGATION OUTCOMES, AND THEN A SUMMARY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, AS A QUICK BACKGROUND, LET ME GET CATCH UP.

AS A QUICK BACKGROUND, UH, AS PAUL HAD MENTIONED AS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, ALL OF OUR PROCESS PROCEDURES, STANDING OPERATING PROCEDURES THAT WE ADHERE TO ARE EXACTLY AS T C Q, UH, HAS.

UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE PERFORM FROM COMPLIANCE TO COMPLAINT INVESTIGATIONS IS, IS MIRRORED EXACTLY HOW THE AGENCY WOULD PERFORM THEM AS WELL.

UH, AS PAUL MENTIONED, WE ALSO CONDUCT COMPLIANCE INVESTIGATIONS AT FACILITIES SUCH AS GAS STATIONS, BATCH PLANTS, CHEMICAL BLENDING, UH, MANUFACTURERS, OR OTHER FACILITIES THAT MAY EMIT AIR POLLUTANTS.

AND ALSO ANOTHER SERVICE WE PROVIDE IS RESPONDING TO RESIDENTS, CITIZEN COMPLAINTS REGARDING NUISANCE ODOR, NUISANCE AIR, OR REGULATORY CONCERN ON A FACILITY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO OUR PURPOSE IS TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY'S UNDERSTANDING ABOUT OUR ODOR COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION PROCEDURE.

UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, NUISANCE ODOR REGULATIONS.

SO ODOR IS DEFINED IN THE TEXAS HEALTH SAFETY CODE, CHAPTER 3 82 0.003, SUB PART TWO AS AN AIR CONTAMINANT, AIR CONTAMINANT, MEANING PARTICULATE MATTER, UH, RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL, DUST, FUMES, GAS MIST, SMOKE VAPOR, OR ODOR, INCLUDING ANY COMBINATION OF THOSE ITEMS PRODUCED BY PROCESSES OTHER THAN NATURAL MEANINGS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THIS IS THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATIVE CODE TITLE 30 CHAPTER 1 0 1.

IT STATES AND DEFINES NUISANCE AS NO PERSON SHALL DISCHARGE ANY SOURCE WHATSOEVER, ONE OR MORE AIR CONTAMINANTS OR COMBINATIONS THEREOF IN SUCH CONCENTRATION AND OF SUCH DURATION AS OF R OR MAY TEND TO BE INJURIOUS OR TO ADVERSELY AFFECT HUMAN HEALTH OR WELFARE ANIMAL LIFE, VEGETATION OR PROPERTY, OR ASKED TO INTERFERE WITH THE NORMAL USE AND ENJOYMENT OF ANIMAL LIFE, VEGETATION OR PROPERTY.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, ODOR INVESTIGATION PROCESS.

HOW DO WE RECEIVE OUR COMPLAINTS? WE RECEIVE 'EM THROUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS' 3 0 1 STRATEGIC CUSTOMER SERVICES, UH, SALESFORCE SYSTEM.

WE ALSO RECEIVED COMPLAINTS AS REFERRALS FROM THE T C Q REGION FOUR OFFICE IN FORT WORTH.

I WANNA STATE THAT ANY, UH, COMPLAINTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE T CQ REGION FOUR OFFICE IN FORT WORTH, THEY WILL REROUTE 'EM BACK THROUGH OUR PROGRAM AS, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS' AIR COMPLIANCE PROGRAM HAS A JURISDICTION WITHIN CITY OF DALLAS LIMITS TO ENFORCE AIR QUALITY RULES.

UM, FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS, UH, THE INVESTIGATOR NORMALLY HAS 24 HOURS, OOPS, SORRY.

THE INVESTIGATOR HAS 24 HOURS TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THE COMPLAINANT OR TO CONDUCT AN ONSITE INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALLEGATION.

NOW, THE INVESTIGATOR MAY NOT VISIT THE AREA IMMEDIATELY.

IT DEPENDS ON METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS IN SOME CASES, UH, FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY A COMPLAINT WAS RECEIVED ONE O'CLOCK ON A TUESDAY, SUNNY WINDSOR CONE FROM THE EAST, BUT WEDNESDAY THE FOLLOWING DAY, THERE'S A 90%

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CHANCE OF RAIN.

SO THE INVESTIGATOR MAY WAIT AN ADDITIONAL DAY TO TRY TO EMULATE THE SAME CONDITIONS WHEN THE ODORS WERE DETECTED.

OKAY, AWESOME.

SO THE INVESTIGATOR WILL CONTACT THE COMPLAINANT IF COMPLAINANT CONTACT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED.

WE DO RECEIVE ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS REGARDING NUISANCE ODOR OR DUST OR BURNING, UH, COMPLAINTS.

LIKE PAUL STATED, THE IDENTITY OF THE COMPLAINANT WILL REMAIN ANONYMOUS WHILE THE INVESTIGATOR PERFORMS HIS INVESTIGATION.

UH, WHEN DEALING WITH EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS, NO INFORMATION JUST AS NAME, PHYSICAL ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBERS, UM, ANY INFORMATION WHICH MAY LEAD TO DISCOVERY OF THE COMPLAINANT.

IN ADDITION, WHEN THE INVESTIGATOR CONTACTS THE COMPLAINANT, UH, THE INVESTIGATOR MAY ASK ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS SUCH AS, UH, THE DESCRIPTION OF THE ODORS DETECTED, THE DURATION OF THE ODORS, UH, THE INTENSITY OF WHICH THE ODORS WERE DETECTED AT, HOW FREQUENTLY THE ODORS ARE DETECTED, AND IF THERE'S AN IMPOSSIBLE, UH, ALLEGED SOURCE IF THERE'S A FACILITY OR A PERSON THAT'S BEING, UM, ALLEGED AGAINST.

OKAY.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF THE TQS ODOR LOG.

THE ODOR LOG IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT PIECE TO AN INVESTIGATOR'S INVESTIGATION PROCESS.

UH, AS YOU MAY KNOW, CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES CAN'T BE AT A COMPLAINANT'S PROPERTY 24 7.

SO WE RELY ON THE COMPLAINANT TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS FORM AND HELP US, UH, DETERMINE, UH, WHEN AN INVESTIGATION MAY BE CONDUCTED AGAIN, UH, AN EXAMPLE MAY BE THE COMPLAINANT HAS STATED IN THE DESCRIPTION THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED THAT ODORS ARE DETECTED MONDAY, EVERY MONDAY AND WEDNESDAY BETWEEN ONE TO TWO O'CLOCK.

SO OUR INVESTIGATORS WOULD AIM TO TRY TO VISIT THE COMPLAINT LOCATION BETWEEN ONE TO TWO O'CLOCK ON MONDAY AND WEDNESDAYS.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO CONTINUE ON WITH OUR INVESTIGATION PROCESS.

THEY WILL PERFORM WHAT'S CALLED AN ODOR ASSESSMENT OR ODOR SURVEY.

UH, AT MINIMUM THERE'S A 15 MINUTE DURATION FOR EACH ODOR SURVEY LOCATION, UH, THAT'S DEPENDENT ON THE CASE BY CASE, UH, SCENARIO, EXCUSE ME.

SO, UH, IT SAYS COMPLAINANT LOCATION.

SO EACH SURVEY WILL CONDUCT, UH, THREE, THREE ODOR SURVEY LOCATIONS, ONE AT THE COMPLAINANT LOCATION, DETERMINE THAT OUR ODOR IS BEING DETECTED AT THE COMPLAINANT LOCATION AND TWO OTHER LOCATIONS.

UH, THIS IS DEPENDENT ON THE PRIMARY WIND DIRECTION OF THE DAY OR WHEN THE, THE INVESTIGATION IS BEING CONDUCTED.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WINDS ARE BLOWING FROM THE EAST AT 10 MILES PER HOUR AND IT BLOWS FROM EAST TO WEST.

THE UPWIND LOCATION WILL BE UPWIND OF THE ALLEGED SOURCE TO DETERMINE OUR ODORS ORIGINATING FROM THE ALLEGED SOURCE OR OUR OTHER FACILITIES IN THE AREA CONTRIBUTING TO THE ODORS DETECTIVE.

THE, UH, THIRD OR LAST LOCATION WOULD BE DOWNWIND OF THE ALLEGED SOURCE.

DOES THE INVESTIGATOR DETECT ODORS ORIGINATING FROM THE FACILITY? AND IS IT BEING TRANSPORTED FROM THE PREDOMINANT WINDS GOING FROM EAST TO WEST? ALSO, THE INVESTIGATOR SHOULD CONDUCT AN ONSITE INVESTIGATION AT THE FACILITY TO DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF THE ALLEGED ODORS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO, DURING THE PROCESS, ONCE THE INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN CONCLUDED, THE INVESTIGATORS PERFORM THEIR SURVEYS, MULTIPLE VISITS OUT TO THE FACILITY OR ALLEGED SOURCE.

THEY MUST DOCUMENT THEIR RESULTS AND FINDINGS AND INVESTIGATION REPORT.

TYPICALLY, THE INVESTIGATOR HAS UP TO 60 DAYS TO WRITE THE REPORT, UM, OR NARRATE THE REPORT 60 DAYS FROM THE LAST ONSITE INSPECTION.

THE REPORT HAS TO BE REVIEWED OR WRITTEN, REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY MANAGEMENT WITHIN THOSE 60 DAYS.

A COPY OF THE INVESTIGATION REPORT IS MADE AVAILABLE TO THE COMPLAINANT IF CONTACT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED.

UH, AND ALSO IF THE COMPLAINANT WISHES TO RECEIVE A COPY OF THE INVESTIGATION REPORT.

THE REPORT INCLUDES THE INVESTIGATION NARRATIVE.

ANY ATTACHMENTS AND A COMPLAINANT COVER LETTER.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, UH, NUISANCE CONFIRMATION INVESTIGATORS CAN POTENTIALLY SUBSTANTIATE A COMPLAINT ALLEGATION BY ONE OF THE FOLLOWING SCENARIOS, DETECTING ODORS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA OF A NUISANCE ODOR CONDITION THAT IS IMPACTING THE COMPLAINANT'S PROPERTY OR WELLBEING FOR WHICH ALSO A WRITTEN STATEMENT MUST BE, UH, RECEIVED BY THE COMPLAINANT TO THE INVESTIGATOR WHEN SIDING SOME SORT OF VIOLATION FOR A NUISANCE CONDITION.

SCENARIO TWO IS EX THE INVESTIGATOR HAS EXPERIENCED SIMILAR TRANSITORY HEALTH EFFECTS AS IS SPREAD BY THE COMPLAINANT.

OR LASTLY, THE INVESTIGATOR HAS RECEIVED DOCUMENTATION FROM THE COMPLAINANT OR A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL HAS INDICATED THAT THE COMPLAINANT HAS BEEN ADVERSELY IMPACTED BY THE ALLEGED CONTAMINANT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THANK YOU.

SO INVESTIGATE ODOR INVESTIGATION OUTCOMES.

THESE ARE THE THREE TYPICAL OUTCOMES YOU MAY SEE FOR A COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION.

ONE WHERE THERE'S NO FINDINGS, NO ALLEGED VIOLATIONS, NO ODORS WERE DETECTED BY THE INVESTIGATOR THAT MET THE CRITERIA FOR A NUISANCE CONDITION OR A NOTICE OF

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VIOLATION IS ALLEGED WHERE THE INVESTIGATOR IDENTIFIES A VIOLATION AND PROVIDES THE SOURCE A TIMEFRAME TO IMPLEMENT TION.

OR LASTLY, A SEVERE CASE WHERE A VIOLATION MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR REFERRAL TO THE T C Q EN ENFORCEMENT DIVISION, WHICH COULD RESULT IN PENALTIES.

MONETARY FOUR MONETARY FINES.

THERE'S THREE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS.

OH, SORRY.

YEP, YEP.

STAY THERE FOR A SECOND.

THERE'S THREE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS AT OUR DIVISION OR PROGRAM ISSUES AND ALLEGES, UH, THERE'S CATEGORY A, B, AND C.

SO CATEGORY B AND C BEING MODERATE AND MINOR VIOLATIONS, THOSE REQUIRE THE FACILITY TO IMPLEMENT CORRECTIVE ACTION, UH, WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY ARE NOW IN COMPLIANCE WITH EVERY WHATEVER REQUIREMENT OR CONDITION THAT THEY ARE UNDER.

AND THEN CATEGORY A VIOLATIONS ARE THE SEVERE MAJOR CATEGORIES.

THESE VIOLATIONS ARE REFERRED TO THE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION FOR THEIR ASSESSMENT OF THESE FINES OR PENALTIES.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE VIOLATIONS ARE ALSO CATEGORIZED ACCORDING TO THE STATE OR TQS, UH, ENFORCEMENT INITIATION CRITERIA.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, IN SUMMARY, THE PURPOSE OF OUR ODOR COMPLAINT INVESTIGATIONS ARE DETERMINED THE SOURCE OF THE ODORS AND WORK WITH THAT SOURCE TO STOP OR LESSEN THE GENERATION OF ANY NUISANCE ODORS.

IF PRESENT, UH, COMPLAINT INVESTIGATIONS ARE PERFORMED IN ATTEMPT TO SUBSTANTIATE A COMPLAINANT'S ALLEGATION, WHETHER IT'S HEALTH IMPACTS, UH, INTERFERENCE WITH THEIR ENJOYMENT OF THEIR PROPERTY OR REGULATORY CONCERN THAT THEY HAVE OBSERVED OR DETECTED INVESTIGATION.

RESULTS ARE CASE BY CASE.

IT MAY TAKE A SINGLE OCCURRENCE TO SUBSTANTIATE A COMPLAINANT'S ALLEGATION, OR IT COULD TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS TO IDENTIFY AND SUBSTANTIATE A COMPLAINANT'S ALLEGATION.

AND OVERALL, OUR PROGRAM, THIS GOAL IS ALWAYS THE PROTECTION OF HUMAN HEALTH IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION.

ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER VARIAL.

ERIN, CAN WE GO BACK TO SLIDE 14 QUICKLY PLEASE? THANK YOU.

HOW ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE FACILITY AT 2,600 SINGLETON TO STOP OR LESSEN THE GENERATION OF ANY NUISANCES ODORS? HOW ARE WE WORKING WITH THE FACILITY AT 2,600 SINGLETON BOULEVARD TO LESSEN OR REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ODORS? YES, ACCORDING TO YOUR SLIDE, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

NONE OF THE ODORS DETECTED IN AND AROUND 2,600 SINGLETON BOULEVARD HAVE MET THE CRITERIA FOR A NUISANCE ODOR CONDITION.

HOW DOES ONE SUBSTANTIATE THAT AN ODOR NUISANCE INTERFERES WITH THE WELFARE OR ENJOYMENT OF ONE'S PROPERTY? SO GOING BACK TO THE TQS PROCESS, PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS, THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THE INVESTIGATOR TO DETERMINE IF AN ODOR DOES IN FACT MEET THAT CRITERIA.

IT'S DEPENDENT ON THE INTENSITY OF THE ODOR, THE DURATION OF THE ODOR, THE FREQUENCY OF THE ODOR, AS WELL AS THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE ODOR.

THAT'S ONLY A COMPONENT TO DETERMINE IF THE CRITERIA, THE ODOR MEETS THAT CRITERIA.

OTHER DATA SUCH AS METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS, DISTANCE FROM THE ALLEGED SOURCE, UM, PRIMARY WIND DIRECTION AS WELL AS ACTIVITIES AND OPERATIONS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN DETERMINING IF IT MEETS THE ODOR, A DETECTED ODOR MEETS THAT CRITERIA AS OBSERVED OR EXPERIENCED BY THE IN INVESTIGATOR INSPECTOR? YES.

WHAT IF THE COMPLAINANT IS AN ELDERLY PERSON WITH C O P D? THAT'S WHERE THE WRITTEN STATEMENT COMES IN, AS WELL AS PARTICULARLY.

OKAY.

SO WRITTEN STATEMENT FROM THE COMPLAINANT AS WELL AS POTENTIALLY A, UM, AS ONE OF THE SLIDES NOTATED A NOTE FROM THE HEALTH PROFESSIONAL INDICATING THAT THE COMPLAINANT HAS BEEN IMPACTED BY THE ADMISSIONS OR THE ODORS.

A DOCTOR'S NOTE.

YES, MA'AM.

YOU WERE ASKING FOLKS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE INSURANCE TO GO TO A DOCTOR TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR CLAIM BECAUSE WE ARE USING SUCH LOW TECH SYSTEMS TO PROVE AN ODOR NUISANCE EXISTS IN A SUBJECTIVE MANNER.

I'M NOT ASKING THAT.

IS THE REQUIREMENT IN THE PROCESS PROCEDURE, IS THAT ACCEPTABLE TO YOU? WELL, IT'S CONTRACTORS FOR THE T C Q THAT IS THEIR PROCESS AND PROCEDURES.

THOSE, THAT'S, YOU'RE JUST DOING YOUR JOB.

YOU'RE JUST FOLLOWING THIS STANDARD SET BEFORE YOU CORRECT.

WE ARE GRANT,

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UM, RECIPIENTS.

SO WE FOLLOW, UH, THE DIRECTIONS ACCORDING TO THE T C Q.

MM-HMM.

, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR PROTOCOLS.

MM-HMM.

, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU FIGHTING FOR OUR AIR QUALITY AS THE TCEQ PURPORT TO PROTECT.

I WOULD LIKE TO TRUST YOU TO HAVE THAT AT THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR MINDS.

COMMISSIONER DRE, GO AHEAD.

SO MY QUESTIONS ARE, UH, SO Y'ALL SAID IF WE HAVE A OD COMPLAINT, CAUSE THE ODORS IN MY COMMUNITY, THEY RELEASE 'EM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AROUND ONE OR TWO IN THE MORNING.

THEN IT GOES ON.

LIKE IF YOU GO TO TAKE, DROP YOUR KIDS OFF LIKE 8, 7, 8 IN THE MORNING, YOU STILL SMELL IT.

AND SO MY, UH, THING HAS BEEN, THEY TELL ME WHEN I CALL 3 1 1 TO REPORT THE NIGHT ODORS THAT THE CO THE, UH, THE INVESTIGATOR DON'T COME OUT TILL THE NEXT MORNING.

AND BY THE TIME THE INVESTIGATOR COME OUT THE NEXT MORNING FOR MY COMPLAINT THAT I CAME HOME, JUST SAY I'M COMING HOME AT TWO IN THE MORNING AND IT STINKS SO BAD.

AND I CALLED 3 1 11 RIGHT THERE.

WELL, I PROBABLY HAD TO DO IT THE LINE, BUT I MAKE MY REPORT, BUT THEY DON'T COME, COME OUT TILL THE NEXT DAY AT ONE OR TWO O'CLOCK.

THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE THEN THE OLDER LOG THING.

SO IF I GET THE ODOR LOG, I TURN THAT INTO THE CITY OR I TURN THAT INTO T C E Q AND HOW DO I, UH, MEASURE DOWNWIND UPWIND ON THE, UH, ODOR LOG? I THINK WHEN IT COME TO THE ODOR LOG, SOME OF THE RESIDENT AND ME BEING A RESIDENT, I GOT THE ODOR LOG.

SO I SMELL OF STUFF.

SO I'M GOING OUTSIDE, FILL OUT MY ODOR LOG.

SO I HAVE TO KNOW, OH, TONIGHT IS DOWNWARD OR TONIGHT IS UP WOUND.

I DON'T HAVE THAT EDUCATION BACKGROUND IN THAT.

SO I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A ISSUE IN COLLECTING DATA FOR THE ORDER LAW.

THEN THE ORDER LAW GOES TO T C Q.

OH MY GOD.

SO WE SEND IT TO T C Q IN FORT WORK AND FORT WORK, SEND IT BACK TO THE CITY.

THAT IS THAT WHAT I'M GETTING? WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU REPORTED DIRECTLY TO THE CITY, THEN WE WOULD, UM, YOU WOULD GIVE THE OLDER LOG TO US IF, IF YOU REPORTED IT DIRECTLY TO THE T C Q.

UM, WELL, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY SEND US OUT TO INVESTIGATE.

THEY WOULD SEND US OUT ANY TO INVESTIGATE IF YOU REPORTED TO THE T C Q.

SO WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE THE ONES TO, UM, ASK FOR THAT ODOR LOG AND UH, AND USE THAT AS PART OF OUR, AS PART OF OUR INVESTIGATION PROCESS.

OKAY.

SO WHERE DO I GET THE ODOR LOG FROM? THE T CQ SITE OR THE CITY WEBSITE? BECAUSE I NEED A COPY OF THAT.

IF I CAN SORT A DOCUMENT TAPE WHAT I NEED TO DO.

UH, AND THEN, UH, THAT'S, THAT, THAT WAS MY QUESTION ABOUT THE OLDER LAW IS IT'S, IT'S KIND OF CONTENTIOUS TO A, A NORMAL PERSON TO KNOW UP WHEN DOWNWIND AND ALL THAT.

UM, AND THEN MY OTHER THING IS THE NUISANCE, UH, CONFIRMATION.

UH, I HAVE DID A COUPLE OF THESE, A OLDER, UH, CALL THREE 11 CALLS, AND I ALWAYS GET, UH, PLATES NO FINDINGS, RIGHT? AND SO IF I'M SMELLING IT AS A NUISANCE OF NUISANCE IN MY COMMUNITY AND IT IS NOT ADDING UP WITH AN INVESTIGATORS COME OUT, WE'RE NOT FIXING A PROBLEM.

THAT'S JUST MY INPUT.

THAT WASN'T A QUESTION, THAT WAS JUST MY INPUT ON THAT INVESTIGATION PART.

BUT I, MY QUESTION WAS THE CALL LAW.

THE ORDER LAW.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

AND I DO WANT TO, I DO WANNA SAY THAT YOU MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT, UM, THE EDUCATION PIECE OF IT, OF WHEN DOWNWIND LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO, IF SOMEONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT AN ODOR OR WHAT, WHATEVER THE COMPLAINANT, IT COULD BE ODOR, DUST, WHATEVER THAT IS, UM, FOR THE, THE INVESTIGATOR TO, UM, EDUCATE THEM ON HOW TO FILL OUT THE OLDER LOG, UH, AND GIVE THEM THAT INFORMATION.

SO YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.

ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO WITH MS. BEK AND THEN COMMISSIONER WOOTEN THOMPSON AND DAY.

UH, THANKS.

AND, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT MSAU SAID PROMPTED ME, MY CARD I CAN'T SEE AROUND IT TO SAY IS THIS, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A GREAT SERVICE FOR SOME OF OUR COMMUNITIES IF, UH, O E Q S COULD GO OUT TO SOME OF THE COMMUNITIES AFFECTED GREATLY BY INDUSTRY AND SAY, THIS IS AN ODOR REPORT.

IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM NEARBY, THIS IS HOW YOU FILL IT OUT.

HOW DO YOU REALLY FILE A COMPLAINT TO THE CITY OR T C Q OR WHATEVER?

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HOW DOES THAT COMPLAINT CIRCULATE? WHAT ARE WE ALLOWED IN O E Q S AS HAVING DELEGATED AUTHORITY TO T C E Q? WHAT CAN WE DO AND WHAT CAN'T WE DO? BECAUSE THE ONE THING THE DEPARTMENT CAN'T DO IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE DELEGATED AUTHORITY FROM T C E Q, THEY CAN'T GO BEYOND THE LAW.

UM, WHAT WE COULD DO IS HELP THE THEM GET MORE BODIES TO DO MORE INSPECTION AND MORE EQUIPMENT.

I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY IF WE HAD EDUCATION SEMINARS HA ON STORM WATER COMPLAINTS OR ODOR COMPLAINTS OR DUSTIN NUS COMPLAINTS, IT'D BE A GREAT, A GREAT EDUCATIONAL TILL.

AND THEN THE CITIZENS CAN HOPEFULLY FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK CORRECTLY TO BE GOOD FOR THEM TO USE.

THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WOOTEN.

GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO YEAH, I WANT TO DEFINITELY SECOND UH, COMMISSIONER DEROSE CONCERNS.

AND THEN MY QUESTION IS HOPEFULLY PRETTY SIMPLE.

ARE THERE TOOLS THAT THOSE INVESTIGATORS CAN USE TO MEASURE ODORS SIMILAR TO HOW IN AMBIENT AIR, SIMILAR TO HOW WE MEASURE, YOU KNOW, PARTICULATE MATTER.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THEY USE OR YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT INVESTIGATION PROCESS WORK? IS IT JUST AN INVESTIGATOR THAT GOES OUT AND SNIFFS OR DO THEY USE ANYTHING SCIENTIFIC? GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING.

COMMISSIONER WOOTEN.

SO YOU'RE CORRECT THERE.

THE PRIMARY TOOL ONLY TOOL IS OLD FACTORY SENSOR RECEPTORS IN YOUR NOSE TO DETECT ODORS.

SO THERE'S NOTHING ON THE MARKET THAT EXISTS THAT CAN MEASURE ODORS OTHER THAN THE INVESTIGATOR'S NOSE.

IT JUST DOESN'T EXIST.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO SIR.

THANK, THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

AND THEN WHOEVER HAS MY SIGNUP FORM ON THIS SIDE, CAN YOU BRING IT BACK AROUND SO WE CAN PASS IT AROUND? GO AHEAD.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

UM, BUT I THINK MY QUESTION KIND OF COVERS BOTH AREAS.

UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE HAS BEEN ANYTHING, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT WORKS WITH THE, THE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM OR HEALTHCARE INSTITUTIONS, UM, WITHIN OUR, OUR AREA AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO OVERLAY A MAP OF, OF, OF THE HEALTH, UM, IMPACTS, BUT THEN ALSO WITH THE AIR QUALITY, UM, AND YOU KNOW, TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF, OF ONE'S HEALTH AND IN THE CITY.

CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY TELLING OF, OF WHERE THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MONITORS NEED TO BE OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE REAL TRUE, UH, PROBLEM AREAS ARE AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S SOME CONCENTRATED EFFORT IN THOSE SPACES CUZ UH, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING IT HERE, YOU DO HAVE CERTAIN DISTRICTS THAT ARE MORE IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, AND, BUT YOU KNOW, IT MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT ARE THERE.

BUT I THINK IT'D BE A BENEFIT IF, IF THE CITY AND AND OUR, OUR OUR HEALTH INSTITUTIONS, THEY JUST PUT OUT THE COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, DID WORK TOGETHER TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE THIS THIS ODOR AND, AND AIR QUALITY.

AND, AND ACTUALLY, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE ANY DONE.

YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

AND, AND, UM, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON A EJ SCREENING TOOL.

SO THERE'S A EPA EJ SCREENING TOOL AND WE'RE IN