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[Community Police Oversight Board on May 9, 2023.]
GONNA ASK ALL BOARD MEMBERS TO TURN THE CAMERAS ON.WE'RE ABOUT TO GO, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET THE MEETING STARTED.
UH, MR. WILLIAMS, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO GO AHEAD AND, AND, UH, PUT US IN THE PRODUCTION.
I'M TAKING US OUTTA OUR PRACTICE SESSION AND START RECORDING NOW.
WE GOOD? MR. WILLIAMS? YES, SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING THE ORDER.
I'M JA ROBO, AND I'LL BE CARRIE JUNIOR.
AND I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD.
UM, BE BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD AND GO INTO OUR, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO JUST RECOGNIZE THE VICTIMS OF THE ALLEN OUTLET MALL MASS SHOOTING.
THIS ONE HITS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ONE OF MY FRIENDS FROM COLLEGE IS ALSO A VICTIM OF THAT SHOOTING, AND HE DID SURVIVE, AND HE'S RECOVERING.
AND, BUT I WANT US TO JUST TAKE A FEW MINUTES, 60 SECONDS OF SILENCE.
WE CAN MEDITATE, YOU CAN PRAY JUST TO, SO THAT THOSE THAT ARE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN OUR THOUGHTS.
AND I WILL START THAT RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST.
THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DIS DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR, THOROUGHLY OR TRANSPARENT.
AND ENSURE CITY DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT, PROCESS, DUTIES, AND FUNCTIONS.
ENSURE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESS OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS, REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
DIRECT OR MONITOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH EXCEPT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.
TAKE SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.
RECORD THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION, TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEM.
NEXT, I WILL TALK ABOUT, UH, BOARD MEETING DECORUM.
DURING BOARD MEETINGS, MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM AND SHALL NEITHER BY CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS.
NO REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
ALL MEMBERS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO CITY EMPLOYEES, AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS.
REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES PER OUR ADOPT THE RULES AND PROCEDURE SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON WITH SOME DISCRETION BY ME AS NEEDED.
BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE TO THREE MINUTES.
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PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE TAKEN NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING.FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING, PLEASE UNDERSTAND OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND HAVE A HEALTHY AND EVEN SPIRITED DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES THAT I JUST PROVIDED IN THE COURTROOM.
AND WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL START WITH OUR PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, AND OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS, DO MR. DOLORES PHILLIPS.
MS. PHILLIPS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHEN TO START.
CHAIR ON 4 11 20 23 LAST MONTH, YOU AND MS. MCCLEARY COLLECTIVELY DELIBERATELY VIOLATED THE RULES THAT YOU JUST READ FOR THIS QUORUM WHEN YOU DIDN'T ALLOW ME TO SPEAK.
HOW DO YOU S O C P O C P O B, DISCIPLINE AND REPRIMAND OFFICERS AND CITIZENS FOR LESS THAN WHAT THEY MASK? NOW, WHEN MS. MCCLARY, EITHER LAST NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, 2022 ON THE RECORD, SAID SHE HAD NEVER LOST OR MISPLACED ANYTHING THAT BELONGED TO ME, SHE INCRIMINATED HERSELF ON THE RECORD.
THE COPY OF THIS, THE PHYSICAL COPY OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, WAS IN THE POSSESSION OF MS. MCCLARY.
THIS ALONE PROVES THAT IT'S AN ONGOING COVERUP WITHIN A COVERUP.
MS. WOODS FOUND THIS CD, THE PHYSICAL CD OF THIS PAPER COPY IN THE DESK OF SERGEANT ANDERSON.
AND SERGEANT ANDERSON WAS MADE TO BE THE PUN AS THOUGH SHE LEFT THE CD, BUT THE WHOLE TIME IT WAS IN MS. MCLAREN'S POSSESSION BECAUSE I GAVE HER SEVERAL CDS, DOCUMENTS, POLICE REPORTS, SHOWING THAT IT WAS A COVERUP AND THAT I WAS UNLAWFULLY ARRESTED BECAUSE I WAS SPEAKING OF A COVERUP EDUCATION SABOTAGE WITH THE LINKS, CONNECTIONS AND NETWORKS.
I WAS IN A DUAL DEGREE MASTER'S PROGRAM AT UT.
A, YOUR CONNECTIONS, NAMI GREEN OAKS FABRICATED POLICE REPORT.
MEDICAL RECORDS KICKED ME OUTTA U T A OF A SOCIAL WORK AND A CRIMINAL JUSTICE DEGREE.
I COULD STILL GO TO SCHOOL, BUT THEY KICKED ME OUT THOSE PROGRAMS. SO THEY ACCEPTED MY MONIES AND SAID, OH, NO, NO, NO, YOU NOT ACCEPTED.
I WAS UNCONDITIONALLY ADMITTED IN SOCIAL WORK IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE FOR A DUAL MASTER'S DEGREE PROGRAM.
IN THE VIDEO ALSO THAT MS. MCCLEARY HAD 10 25, 20 20 13, 20 20 13, IT WAS TWO HOURS OF VIDEO.
HE ERASED OUT OF THAT MEETING, AND IT WAS AT THE HEADQUARTERS ON THE FIRST FLOOR IN THE LOBBY, PREARRANGED BY MAYOR ROLLINS, SCOTT GRIGGS AND HIS SUPPORTER SAID, Y'ALL STRONG ON HIM BECAUSE OF HIS VOTE NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TRINITY TOLL PROJECT.
ROBERT GRO GRODEN, A NON-MINORITY MALE, PROVED THAT Y'ALL BATTLED HIM FOR 23 YEARS, SPRAYED HIM WITH KIM TRAILS, TOOK HIM TO JAIL.
83 TICKETS, ALL DISMISSED OVER TIME.
I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENCE, BUT I'M GONNA BE KNOCKING NOW THE F B I INVOLVED.
JUST KNOW THAT YOU, MS. MCCLARY FOR SURE.
I'M GONNA ASK FOR YOU TO BE SUBPOENAED OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
I'M GONNA ASK FOR YOU TO ALSO TRY TO GIVE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW OF MS. WOODS.
I REALLY MISS HER BECAUSE SHE'S REALLY, IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HER BEING GONE.
UH, DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO.
DISTRICT FOUR, YOU, YOU'RE SPEAKING ON MUTE.
YEAH, I, I CAN HEAR YOU NOW, BUT JUST DISTRICT FIVE IS VACANT.
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IS VACANT.DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT SEVEN PRESENT.
DISTRICT NINE, KRISTA SANFORD, DISTRICT NINE, PRESENT.
DAVID KITNER, DISTRICT 13 PRESENT.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT AND DISTRICT 15.
WE HAVE, FOR THE RECORD, WE OFFICIALLY HAVE A QUORUM.
UH, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
I'LL GIVE BOARD MEMBERS TIME TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, AND THEN I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.
HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED IN SECOND TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS? OKAY.
NEXT UP IS, UM, WE HAVE OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM.
IT WILL BE A CONVERSATION WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA.
WE WILL, UH, SKIP THAT PART OF, WE'LL, WE'LL SKIP THAT AGENDA ITEM.
WE'LL COME BACK, UH, WHEN CHIEF GARCIA GETS HERE.
NEXT IS THE QUORA KENNEDY REVIEW AND DECISION REGARDING INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY O CPO, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, MS. COURT KENNEDY.
KENNEDY HAS REQUESTED THAT, THAT WE REVIEW HER D P V INVEST INVESTIGATION.
D P D P D INVESTIGATIVE DEPARTMENT IS INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
THE DEPOSITION IS NO INVESTIGATIVE WARRANTED.
OFFICER INVOLVED IS SENIOR CORPORAL EMANUEL POOLS.
THE ALLEGATION IS IMPROPER OR NO ACTION SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT.
COMPLAINANT ALLEGED SENIOR CORPORAL POS FAILED TO FULLY INVESTIGATE HER CASE.
INVESTIGATIVE SUMMARY, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT THAT MS. KENNEDY SUBMITTED ON MARCH 7TH, 2023.
AFTER REVIEW OF INFORMATION PROVIDED, WE ARE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES, PROCEDURES.
AS A RESULT, IT IS DEEMED NO INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED.
IS A BODY-WORN CAMERA, A VIDEO? I WILL PLAY THAT NOW.
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HI.DID UH, SOMEONE CALL THE POLICE FROM HERE? YES, SIR.
UM, WHO WAS IT? OH, HOW YOU DOING, MA'AM? I'M, I HAD TO JUMP OUTTA OUR CAR TONIGHT.
WHERE DID YOU ASK FOR THE LYFT? AT, UH, THE PLAZA HOTEL.
UM, LIZ, MY, UH, SHE'S A COORDINATOR FOR A TOP ORGANIZING PROJECT SHE SENT FOR A LIFT.
IT'S AT, UH, SEVEN 50 NORTH STEM FREEWAY.
THAT'S SEVENTH STREET, RIGHT? CROWN PLAZA.
WHAT TIME DID YOU CALL FOR ILLNESS THEN? SHE CALLED FOR A LIFT AT SIX 30.
WHERE DID THE LYFT PICK YOU UP? HE PICKED ME UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, ACROSS THE STREET.
OH, SO HE, YOU ORDERED HIM, SHE ORDERED YOU THE HO THE, AT SIX 30, HE PICKED YOU UP RIGHT HERE.
AND YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE CROWN HOTEL? YES, SIR.
UH, DESCRIBE THE VEHICLE TO ME.
IT WAS A, LET'S SEE, A SILVER TOYOTA, R A V FOUR RAV4.
HE WAS A VERY TALL MAN WITH GRAY HAIR.
HE CLAIMED HE DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH.
UM, UM, HIS NAME IS LOUIE SOME FEET.
HOW ABOUT, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE.
AND THEN WHAT WAS HIS BUILD? WAS HE, HE LOOKED LIKE HE WEIGHED ABOUT MM, TWO FEET.
AND THEN WHAT, AND THEN, SO WHEN HE PICKED YOU UP, UM, WHAT DID HE SAY AS YOU WERE DRIVING THERE? UM, HE WAS SAYING, UM, HE DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH,
AND I SAID WHEN HE, AND HE WAS ON HIS PHONE TELLING ME HE, HE SPEAK LITTLE ANGER.
AND SO I CALLED LIZ AND I SAID, LIZ, I SAID, THIS MAN CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING.
I'M SAYING, WHY DON'T YOU GIMME A DRIVER THAT DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH? AND HE WOULD STOP, LIKE, HE WAS GETTING MAD.
AND SO SHE SAID, OH, WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE DPS IS GUIDING HIM.
WHY WOULD YOU SEND A DRIVER OUT THAT DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH? WELL, IT'S LEFT SO THAT SHE JUST REQUESTS IT, AND THEN YOU JUST PICK A DRIVER.
THEY DON'T ASK YOU IF YOU SPEAK ENGLISH OR NOT.
THEY JUST, YOU JUST SIGN UP AND START DRIVING.
BUT, UM, THEY USUALLY SEND ME A LYFT THAT CAN COMMUNICATE WITH ME.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS TELLING HER.
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.
BECAUSE USUALLY THE GUYS THAT DO IT, THEY MAKE SURE THAT THESE GUYS SPEAK ENGLISH.
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE DONE MULTIPLE TIMES.
UM, SO HE WAS GOING TO BACK STREETS.
AND I KEPT SAYING, OH, YOU CAN JUST HIT THE FREEWAY.
YOU KNOW, ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS GO UP AT BETTER ART LANG.
COR HE WENT DOWN AND WAS, WHO WAS HE? NO, HE, HE TURNED JUST
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BEFORE HE GOT TO INDUSTRIAL, HE, HE WAS GOING, HE WENT UP EIGHTH STREET.SO HE WASN'T FOLLOWING THE GPS.
HE, HE, THE GPS LOOKED LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, AT ONE POINT, WAS GOING ALL KIND OF DIRECTIONS.
AND SO WHEN I WOULD TELL HIM, HE, HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS GETTING MAD.
LIKE HE WAS NOT GONNA DO WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND SO, UM, WHEN WE GOT ON THE FREEWAY, I TOLD HIM, I SAID, YOU CAN GO THIS WAY.
SO HE WAS GOING FURTHER NORTH THAN GOING SOUTH DOWNTOWN.
HE WAS GOING, HE KEPT GETTING OVER IN THE LANES GOING FURTHER NORTH THAN GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, CAUSE HE COULD HAVE WENT, HE COULD HAVE WENT THROUGH TOWN TO GET TO STEELMAN.
BUT STILL, IF WAS CLOSER TO LIKE TOWN, THEN
BUT ANYWAY, HE WAS, HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO CONTINENTAL.
AND, AND HE WAS GOING THE TOLL.
HE, HE WAS HEADED TO THE, TO, THAT'S WHEN I TOLD HIM TO LET ME OUT MM-HMM.
AND SO HE HAD CHILD LOCKS ON THE BACK OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE BACK DOOR.
SO I, I REACHED FOR THE HANDLE TO THE FRONT DOOR, IT OPENED.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING PAST, YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING.
AND SO WHEN I, WHEN, WHEN HE WOULDN'T LET ME OUT, I LOST MY SHOES.
MY SHOES WAS STEALING IN HIS CAR.
I RECENTLY FOUND OUT I LOST MY KEY, BUT I JUMPED.
AND, UM, WERE YOU STILL ON THE HIGHWAY OR YOU OFF THE HIGHWAY AT THE TIME? I WAS ON THE HIGHWAY.
WHAT? I WAS NOT FIXING TO GO NOWHERE OVER HERE.
SO ON THE HIGHWAY, ON THE TOW ROAD? NO, I WASN'T ON THE, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GET ON THE TOW ROAD.
SO YOU'RE STILL ON STEVEN STEMS? I WAS ON STEMS. OKAY.
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT, UM, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT, UM, EXIT YOU SAW BEFORE? I SAW CONTINENTAL.
I SAW, THAT'S ALL I CAN REMEMBER.
AND I WAS WALKING AGAINST TRAFFIC.
SO I HAD TO, THE REASON WHY I KNOW HE PASSED UP CONTINENTAL, CAUSE I WENT BACK MM-HMM.
I, I WALKED BACK FROM WHERE HE, I JUMPED MM-HMM.
AND IT WAS CON, I WAS ON CONTINENTAL.
HE WAS TAKING ME SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE I WAS RIGHT THERE BY THE PLAZA HOTEL WHEN I CALLED EVERYBODY.
AND I SAID, WELL, HE WENT PAST MM-HMM.
NO, I THINK IF YOU GO FAR ENOUGH, YOU COULD HIT THE TOES.
AND, UH, I WENT OVER THE, THE, UM, FREEWAY AND I WALKED TO PIZZA HUT.
I WAS JUST SCARED, TERRIFIED, UH, WALKING IN THE RAIN.
UM, SO I CALLED, I CALLED MY, UH, ORGANIZERS AND TOLD 'EM WHAT HAPPENED.
BUT THEY WANTED TO COME GET ME AND SEND ME ANOTHER LIP.
I SAID, UHUH, I AIN'T GETTING ANOTHER LIFT TONIGHT.
I SAID, I, I CALLED ME A CAB AND CAME HOME.
I WAS TOO NERVOUS TO CALL YOU GUYS.
IT WAS PEOPLE LOOKING AT ME CUZ I WAS BLEEDING UP HERE AND I DIDN'T WANNA BE VULNERABLE.
SO YOU WERE SITTING, WE GOT, WE WERE IN THE LIFT.
YOU CRAWLED TO THE FRONT? YEAH, I WAS IN THE BACK.
BACK CRAWLED TO THE FRONT PASSENGER SEAT TO GET OUT.
AND THEN HE JUST KEPT DRIVING, RIGHT? HE KEPT DRIVING.
HE SAID HE DROPPED ME OFF AND IT'S ON MY PHONE AT 610.
PARK BEND DRIVES RICHARDSON, TEXAS 7 50 81.
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THAT'S WHAT THE APP SAID.HE DROPPED YOU OFF AT SIX? YEAH.
WHAT WAS IT? UH, 61 10 PARK BEND DRIVE, RICHARDSON, TEXAS RICHARDSON.
GOT, SO MY GRANDDAUGHTER SAID, THAT'S JUST A STREET.
CAN I GET YOUR, I STOLE WHAT'S MY NEW PHONE? SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE SEEN ON THE VIDEO.
IT'S JUST THE OFFICER GETTING MS. KENNEDY'S PERSONAL INFORMATION, OF COURSE, WHICH WE CAN'T BROADCAST.
AND HIM JUST COMING BACK INTO THE ROOM AND GIVING HER HER POLICE REPORT NUMBER.
UH, BOARD MEMBERS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR EITHER, UH, MR. WILLIAMS OR FOR, UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS? YEAH, THIS IS ALAN.
UM, THE ALLEGATION IS THAT IT WASN'T INVESTIGATED PROPERLY.
I DIDN'T SEE WHAT THE INVESTIGATIVE MATERIAL WAS, WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH.
LIKE, IF THE ALLEGATION IS THEY DIDN'T DO IT PROPERLY, DID WE? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE PACKET AS FAR AS LIKE WHAT THE ACTUAL INVESTIGATION WAS, WHAT THE INFORMATION WAS THAT HE PULLED UP, WHAT HE FOUND.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE PACKET WHEN I WENT ON THE, THE FILE SHARE.
SO I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
MS. MCCLAR, THIS IS LIEUTENANT HOYER.
UH, THERE WAS MULTIPLE ENTRIES IN THE, UH, INVESTIGATIVE FILE BY THE DETECTIVE WHERE HE CORRESPONDED WITH MS. KENNEDY.
AND SO DID THE SUPERVISOR AND, AND, UH, THE CON HOW, HOW THE OUTCOME OF A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION RESULTS.
JUST OUR RESPONSE WAS TO, SHE WAS SAYING IT WASN'T INVESTIGATED.
AND THE DETECTIVE AND THE SUPERVISOR NOTED IN THE CASE FILE THAT THAT HAD MADE CONTACT WITH HER AND THEY DID INVESTIGATE IT.
SO IF I COULD ADD JUST A LITTLE BIT THAT TO THAT, THIS IS MAJOR A.
SO REGARDING THE INFORMATION THAT WE DID HAVE, THE INDE INVESTIGATOR THAT WAS ASSIGNED, AS WELL AS THE SUPERVISOR THAT OVERSEES THE INVESTIGATOR THAT'S ASSIGNED TO THE, UM, INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION, THEY DID MAKE CONTACT WITH THE INDIVIDUAL.
UM, THERE ARE NOTES THAT ARE IN OUR RMS SYSTEM THAT CLEARLY STATED WHAT WAS GOING ON BACK AND FORTH.
I AM NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY DETAILS ON EXACTLY WHAT DID OR DID NOT OCCUR WITH THAT.
BUT I D DID FIND THAT THE INVESTIGATOR DID DO SOME INVESTIGATING, HITTING WITH THIS CASE.
UM, ULTIMATELY THERE WAS NO PROSECUTION ON THIS.
UH, THERE WAS NO JAIL TIME FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NOT THE OUTCOME THAT OUR CITIZEN WAS WANTING.
BUT AS FAR AS THE COMPLAINT GOES THAT I D RECEIVED, THAT THERE WAS NOT AN INVESTIGATION DONE INTO THIS CRIMINAL CASE.
WE DID NOT FIND THAT THAT OCCURRED.
SO THEREFORE, WE DID NOT INVESTIGATE THIS ONE.
ONE OTHER QUESTION IS, YES, SIR.
IT SAYS THE COMPLAINTS AGAINST SENIOR CORPORAL POLLS MM-HMM.
SO AFTER A PATROL OFFICER RESPONDS TO THE LOCATION, THAT'S, I WANNA KNOW IF, IF SHE WAS MAKING THE COMPLAINT AGAINST THE RIGHT PERSON, SO TO SPEAK.
SO, UM, THAT'S ALL I REALLY NEEDED.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
ANYONE ON, ON THE WEBEX BACKS THAT HAS A QUESTION? OKAY.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
AGAIN, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
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ONE LAST TIME.I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
I SEE CHIEF GARCIA GARCIA'S HERE.
UM, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ENTERTAIN CHIEF GARCIA AS HE TALKS TO US ABOUT, UH, DISCIPLINE OF D P D OFFICERS.
AGAIN, CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND, UM, VISITING WITH US THIS EVENING.
SO, AS WE JUST OPEN UP ONE OF THE DYNA, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IS, OBVIOUSLY DISCIPLINE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, IS OFTEN HAS BEEN MENTIONED.
I THINK THERE'S A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT POLICE DEPARTMENTS CAN'T DISCIPLINE THEMSELVES.
I THINK WE HAVE DONE, UH, A JOB OF DISCIPLINING THIS DEPARTMENT AND HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE, AS I'VE SAID, AND YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME SAY MANY TIMES WHEN WE'RE RIGHT, WE'RE RIGHT, UH, REGARDLESS OF OUTSIDE NOISE, IF IT'S CORRECT.
UH, BUT WHEN WE'RE WRONG, WE'RE GONNA HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
UH, THE, THE NUM WE'RE GONNA GIVE SOME EXAMPLES OF EACH LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE THAT WE GIVE THAT I'LL LET MA MAJOR ALANISE DO.
AND THEN I'LL GO OVER THE NUMBERS OF DISCIPLINE SINCE, UH, AND I'LL JUST START SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, UH, TO DATE NOW, THE, THE STATS THAT I'LL GIVE YOU WILL BE THROUGH APRIL, UH, 17TH.
UM, WE COULDN'T UPDATE FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITH OUR, WITH IT.
UM, ONE OF THE DYNAMICS THAT I'LL MAKE MENTION WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE CHANGED SINCE, UH, THE, THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION'S TAKEN OVER IS ANYTHING THAT BEGINS WITH A CRIMINAL NEXUS.
REGARDLESS IF IT ENDS CRIMINALLY OR IF AT SOME POINT GETS ADJUDICATED OR SOMEONE SIGNS A LETTER OF NON-PROSECUTION, I STILL HEAR ALL OF THOSE.
UM, IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH A, THE REGULAR, UH, IT GOES THROUGH CHAINS, BUT THEN I HEAR IT SPECIFICALLY TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S CONSISTENCY, UH, IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, PARTICULARLY ON SITUATIONS AND EVENTS THAT ARE HIGH LEVEL, UH, SUCH AS ANYTHING THAT BEGINS CRIMINALLY.
UH, WITH THAT, I WILL LET MAJOR ALLEN GO THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES.
THEN I'LL GIVE SOME, STA SOME STATISTICS AND NUMBERS OF HOW WE'VE HELD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THEN WE WILL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS.
SO REGARDING DISCIPLINE, WE HAVE SEVEN DIFFERENT LEVELS.
UM, I THINK WE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, A FEW MEETINGS BACK.
UH, THE LOWEST LEVEL BEING AN ADVICE AND COUNSELING.
AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE SOMEONE OR AN OFFICER BEING LATE TO DETAIL, UH, MAY BE ARRIVING WITHOUT CALLING IN ON TIME.
THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE, AGAIN, THE SUPERVISOR WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND DIVISIVE IN COUNSELING REGARDING THAT BEHAVIOR.
UH, NEXT WE WOULD HAVE A DOCUMENTED COUNSELING THAT, AGAIN, ONE LEVEL UP.
NOW, UH, YOU HAVE SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF MAYBE NOT ACCURATELY TAKING CARE OF A PRISONER'S PROPERTY, RIGHT? SO FAILING TO ACCOUNT FOR PRISONER'S PROPERTY COULD RESULT IN A DOCUMENTED COUNSELING SUPERVISOR'S REPORT.
THAT COULD BE ANYTHING FROM THE VEHICLE POLICY VIOLATION.
UM, EVEN THAT IS VERY CUMBERSOME.
SO AGAIN, THERE COULD BE ANY LITTLE LEVEL WITHIN THAT POLICY THAT COULD BE VIOLATED, THAT COULD RESULT IN A SUPERVISOR'S REPORT.
ONCE WE HIT THE WRITTEN REPRIMAND, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE THAT WOULD NOW BE CONSIDERED FORMAL.
THE THREE THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE WOULD BE CONSIDERED SUMMARY DISCIPLINE.
SO FORMAL DISCIPLINE STARTS WITH A WRITTEN REPRIMAND, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF INSUBORDINATION, FAILING TO FOLLOW A DIRECT ORDER, UH, THAT COULD RESULT IN A WRITTEN REPRIMAND.
THOSE, UM, AN OFFICER INVOLVED IN A DISTURBANCE, UH, ESCALATING A DISTURBANCE PARTICIPATING IN ONE COULD RESULT IN A, UM, SUSPENSION.
AND A SUSPENSION CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM ONE TO 45 DAYS.
AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE CASE, THE DEMOTION WOULD BE THE NEXT LEVEL.
ANYTHING ALONG THE LINES OF ADVERSE CONDUCT, A DEMOTION, UH, TERMINATION.
UM, ONE OF THE MOST COMMON ONES THAT WE SEE ARE DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED.
I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT ANY DEMOTION OR TERMINATION THAT DOES TAKE PLACE, UH, THAT HAS TO COME THROUGH CHIEF GARCIA.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THE SEVEN DIFFERENT LEVELS.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO INFORM THE BOARD THAT EVERY CASE IS DIFFERENT.
WHEN THE COMMAND STAFF AND THE CHAIN OF COMMANDS MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OR THEY ISSUE ANY DISCIPLINE, IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON THE CASE AND THE DETAILS WITHIN THAT VIOLATION THAT THAT OFFICER COMMITTED.
WITH THAT, I'LL GO THROUGH SOME NUMBERS.
I'LL JUST PREFACE THIS BY SAYING, I'LL TELL YOU THIS.
UH, THERE'S NOT A POLICE CHIEF, MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT WAKES UP IN THE MORNING WANTING TO DISCIPLINE OFFICERS WANTING TO TERMINATE OFFICERS.
UH, BUT IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF ANY POLICE CHIEF TO ENSURE, UH, THE PRI COURT OF THE DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR THE MEMBERS THEMSELVES AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY, UH, IS HELD TRUE.
UH, WITH THAT, UH, SINCE 2021, AGAIN, SINCE TO, UH, APRIL 17TH.
WHEN IT COMES TO SUMMARY DIFF SUMMARY DISCIPLINE INCIDENT TYPES, UH, WE'VE GIVEN OUT 166 ADVICE AND COUNSELINGS 175 DOCUMENTED COUNSELINGS 119 SUPERVISORS REPORT FOR A TOTAL OF 460 SUMMARY DISCIPLINE INCIDENT TYPES.
WHEN IT COMES TO DIVISION REFERRALS, WE'VE GIVEN 28 ADVICE AND COUNSELINGS, 27 DOCUMENTED COUNSELINGS, AND 10 SUPERVISORS
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REPORTS FOR A TOTAL OF 65 DIVISION REFERRALS.WHEN IT COMES TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS, WE'VE GIVEN NINE ADVICE AND COUNSELINGS 56 DOCUMENTED COUNSELINGS, 109 SUPERVISORS REPORTS 89 WRITTEN REPRIMANDS.
WE HAVE DEMOTED TWO, AND WE HAVE TERMINATED 25 FOR A TOTAL OF 403, UH, DISCIPLINES OUT OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UH, OF NOTE, UH, WE HAVE, OF THE, OF THE 25 TERMINATIONS, THREE OF THOSE HAVE BEEN FOR USE OF FORCE ALLEGATIONS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT 20 23, 1 OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DO IS WANTED TO GIVE KIND OF THE TOP ALLEGATION, THE, THE TOP REASONS THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING PARTICULAR DISCIPLINE.
WHEN IT COMES TO SUMMARY DISCIPLINE, THE TOP FIVE ALLEGATIONS FOR SUMMARY DISCIPLINE HAVE BEEN VIOLATION OF OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT POLICY, FAILURE TO ACCOUNT FOR PRISONER'S, PROPERTY, BODY-WORN CAMERA, POLICY VIOLATIONS IN FAILURE TO COMPLETE REPORTS ON TIME AND VEHICLE PURSUIT POLICY WHEN IT COMES TO THE TOP FIVE ALLEGATIONS FOR DIVISION REFERRALS.
UH, FAILURE TO FOLLOW ESTABLISHED PROCEDURES, COURTESY AND UNPROFESSIONALISM, BODY-WORN CAMERA POLICY VIOLATIONS, ALLOWING WEAPON TO ENTER PRISONER PROCESSING AREA, OR IMPROPER OR NO ACTION.
WHEN IT COMES FOR THE TOP FIVE ALLEGATIONS FOR FORMAL OR INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS, IT'S BEEN CONDUCT DISCREDITING THE DEPARTMENT, FAILURE TO COMPLETE REPORTS ON TIME.
SEARCH OR SEARCHES ARE THAT ARE ILLEGAL OR IMPROPER.
AND FAILURE WILL COUNT FOR PRISONER'S, PROPERTY AND VIOLATION OF SICK LEAVE.
UM, WE WANTED TO GET YOU ALSO THE TOP THREE OR FIVE REASONS FOR TERMINATIONS, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE IT ISSUES WE'RE HAVING, WE COULDN'T GO BACK IN THE SYSTEM TO DO THAT.
UM, SO THE TOP THREE ALLEGATIONS OF TERMINATION HAS BEEN CONDUCT DISCREDITING THE DEPARTMENT, DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED AND INAPPROPRIATE USE OF FORCE.
THOSE HAVE BEEN THE TOP THREE SINCE 21, UH, FOR TERMINATIONS.
UH, AGAIN, WHAT'S THAT? WHEN YOU GOT HERE? WHEN I GOT HERE,
SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THE DEPARTMENT TAKES SERIOUSLY.
UH, WE COULD NOT BE CREDIBLE WITH OURSELVES, UH, WITH THE OFFICERS.
UH, AS WAS OFTEN SAID, NO ONE, UH, YOU KNOW, NO, NOBODY WANT, LIKES THE ACTIONS OF, UH, OF A POOR OFFICER MORE THAN A RIGHTEOUS OFFICER.
UH, WE OWE IT TO THE DEPARTMENT, TO OUR OFFICERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO WITH THAT, UH, WE WILL OPEN UP THE QUESTIONS.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS? RIGHT, MR. MARSHALL? MM-HMM.
OH, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY? OH, SKINNER.
UH, CHIEF, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THE NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US, IF YOU'VE DONE ANY COMPARISON TO OTHER DISTRICTS, EXCUSE ME, CITIES OUR SIZE, TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE IT, OR IF THAT'S EVEN A VALID QUESTION TO ASK.
IT'S, IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT TO COMPARE, UH, THE WAY INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS HOLD THEMSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
UM, I, I DON'T HAVE THOSE COMPARISONS, BUT I, BUT I THINK EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE HAD NUMBERS FROM OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS THEY AS TO HOW THEY DO DISCIPLINE, UH, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO COMPARE.
UH, I'LL TELL YOU, MY STANDARD FOR DISCIPLINE IS VERY CLEAR.
UH, IT'S NUMBER ONE, UH, TO CHANGE BEHAVIOR.
UH, AND THE SECOND PRONG IS TO SET A CULTURE FOR THE ORGANIZATION.
WELL, LET ME ASK IT ANOTHER WAY.
DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR OFFICERS? OR DOES THIS FEEL LIKE WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN ANY ORGANIZATION OF YOUR SIZE? I FEEL IT'S WHAT WE EXPECTED OF AN ORGANIZATION OF OUR SIZE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE DONE, UH, AS YOU MAY OR WE NOT KNOW, I KNOW NEXT MONTH WE'RE GONNA GO OVER OUR USE OF FORCE REPORTS.
BUT WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE AUDITED OURSELVES.
WE'VE LOOKED AT OURSELVES TO LOOK AT THE CULTURE ISSUES, UH, THAT EXPERTS HAVE SAID, OUR, OUR, THAT THERE IS NO PATTERN FOR THAT.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS, WE DEAL WITH HUMAN WITH, DEAL WITH HUMAN BEINGS, AND WE HIRE FROM THE HUMAN RACE AND INDIVIDUALS ARE GONNA MAKE MISTAKES.
UH, AS AGAIN, AS I SAID, UH, I DON'T WAKE UP IN THE MORNING.
NO ONE DOES WANTING TO DISCIPLINE, BUT WE NEED TO SET THE STANDARD.
UH, WE ARE, UH, UH, WE'RE A PROFESSION, UH, MADE OUT, UH, IMPERFECT PROFESSION.
UH, AND WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA MAKE MISTAKES.
AND THE QUESTION, TO ME, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT NOTE IS THAT IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF, WHEN YOU MAKE, WHEN YOU MAKE A MISTAKE, UH, BUT WHAT ACTIONS DO YOU TAKE ONCE A MISTAKE IS MADE? I THINK IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT THAT NOT ONLY WHEN WE'RE WRONG, WE HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE, UH, BUT WHEN WE'RE RIGHT, UH, WE MAKE SURE THAT WE SUPPORT OUR MEN AND WOMEN.
AND WE'RE LOUD, WE'RE EQUALLY AS LOUD WHEN WE'RE RIGHT AS WHEN WE'RE WRONG.
UH, AND I KNOW THESE NUMBERS OFFICE DON'T COME OUT.
I KNOW IN THE MEDIA IT'LL COME OUT WHEN TERMINATIONS THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I THINK AS A WHOLE, AND ONE THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO START DOING WITH THE BOARD IS DO MORE PERIODIC UPDATES ON THESE.
SO YOU YOURSELVES ARE AWARE OF HOW WE ARE HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE.
AND SO THAT YOU COULD ALSO HELP US AS YOU GO OUT INTO YOUR COMMUNITIES TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN.
ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA MISS? ABSOLUTELY.
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COMES IN.UH, BUT I THINK AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE NOTION THAT DEPARTMENTS CAN'T POLICE THEMSELVES, UM, I JUST, I, I THINK THAT'S FALSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
UH, WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU IN ANYTHING WE CAN DO, LET US KNOW.
SHOULD I SAY, UH, I WAS TRYING TO GET ON, SHOULD I SAY I'M PRESENT FOR THE RECORD? I WAS LATE TO JOIN.
UM, I, MY QUESTION, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, CHIEF AND MAJOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, COMING AND SHARING THESE DETAILS WITH US.
MY QUESTION IS FIRST, IS THOSE THAT DATA IS FOR THE ENTIRE, UH, DEPARTMENT THAT'S JUST, UM, ALL THE, UH, DISCIPLINE, UH, ACTIONS THAT YOU'VE TAKEN OVER THOSE YEARS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
I WAS WONDERING, DO YOU GUYS HAVE THE DATA BROKEN OUT BASED ON, OR OTHER DATA BROKEN OUT BASED ON, UH, REFERRALS FROM US, FROM THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, UH, WHAT THE DEPARTMENT'S ACTION HAS BEEN ON THOSE? SO NOT SPECIFICALLY FROM THE BOARD, BUT IT WOULD BE RELATED FROM AN EXTERNAL COMPLAINT.
SO WE MAY RECEIVE AN EXTERNAL COMPLAINT IN OUR OFFICE VERSUS IN MS. MCCRAY'S OFFICE, BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT AT A LATER DATE WHERE IT IS BROKEN UP ON EXTERNAL VERSUS WHAT WE WOULD CALL INTERNAL SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND IN-HOUSE.
CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE PRESENTED IN THIS FASHION.
SO CERTAINLY WE'LL TAKE SOME INPUT.
I MEAN, THIS IS FOR YOU, UH, REALLY, UH, FOR THE INFORMATION AND TO KIND OF SHARE WHAT WE ARE DOING AS A DEPARTMENT.
SO IF THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN BETTER THIS PRESENTATION IN THE FUTURE, WE CERTAINLY WILL TAKE THAT INPUT.
I, I DO THINK THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO ALSO SEE, YOU KNOW, OUR EFFECTIVENESS, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE REVIEWING AND THAT, UM, I KNOW DIRECTOR MCCLEARY AND OUR CHAIR ARE SENDING TO YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, SUGGESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ACTIONS HAVE BEEN TAKEN BASED ON THOSE REFERRALS THAT ARE MADE FROM THIS BOARD.
ANY, ANYONE ELSE WITH A QUESTION FOR CHIEF GARCIA? ANYONE ON WEBEX? ALL RIGHT.
WELL, UH, CHIEF, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU AND I, WE'VE TALKED AND I TOLD YOU, UM, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT THESE NUMBERS WITH US.
CAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE ONLY TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR ABOUT OFFICER DISCIPLINES, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EGREGIOUS IN THE MEDIA AND, YOU KNOW, IF THE INFORMATION VACUUM, A RUMOR OR, OR, OR MISINFORMATION WILL TAKE OVER.
AND SO, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS INFORMATION WITH US THIS EVENING.
AGAIN, IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL, UH, WE'LL BE, UH, WE'LL BE DOING THIS PERIODICALLY AGAIN TO KEEP EVERYONE UP TO SPEED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, DALLAS, I'M SORRY, UM, PRESS SAS REVIEW AND DECISION REGARDING INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY O C P O, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR, MR. WILLIAMS. BUT BEFORE THAT WE HAVE, UH, MS. SAS HERE, UH, TO SPEAK.
UH, MS. SAS, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.
HELLO, HOW ARE YOU DOING? UM, DOING OKAY.
UH, JUST GETTING MY PAPERWORK TOGETHER.
ONE OF THE PAPERS AT HOME ON ACCIDENT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY, UH, WROTE IT DOWN, BUT I'M HERE ABOUT THE SEXUAL ASSAULT THAT, UM, I REPORTED IN 2019.
UM, I HAVE CONTINUOUSLY THE, THE, THE, IT WAS JUST HANDLED VERY CARELESSLY.
UM, I'VE CONTIN, I'M FINNA MOVE AGAIN.
UM, DUE TO THIS GROUP, WHEN THE SEXUAL ASSAULT HAPPENED, THE PA THE, THE ADDRESS WAS, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT GOT WRONG, UM, ON THE PAPERWORK.
AND, UM, I NEVER TOLD THE OFFICER THAT I WAS HOLDING A LIGHT FOR THIS MAINTENANCE FOR THE MAINTENANCE MAN.
AND EACH TIME I'VE MOVED, NOW I'M BEING HARASSED BY A MAINTENANCE MAN.
AND THE, AND I, AND I'M WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEN I'M BY MYSELF, BUT IT'S A GROUP OF THEM.
AND ANYTHING I SAY, I'M CONTINUOUSLY BEING RETALIATED AGAINST.
AND I KEEP, I I'M FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I'M BEGGING YOU GUYS TO PLEASE LISTEN TO ME.
I HAVE NO REASON TO GET UP HERE AND LIE TO YOU ABOUT THIS SITUATION, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MY PAST WAS, IT'S MY PAST.
BUT TO SEE THAT SOMEBODY, I DON'T KNOW WHO THIS GROUP IS CONNECTED WITH, WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, AT LEAST THAT'S HOW I FEEL BECAUSE I'M CONTINUOUSLY BEING IGNORED EVERY TIME I REPORT SOMETHING
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BY, UM, OFF I MAY RE MAY REPORTS WITH OFFICERS AND, UM, OFFICER RUFF, WHEN I WENT DOWN TO VOTE THEM, FOR SOME REASON, I'M BEING SENT TO HARRY HINES, BACK TO BOTH THEM, ONLY TO JUST STILL NOT MAKE A REPORT.AND, UM, OFFICER RUSS PUT INTO MY COMPLAINT AND SAID THAT I CAME OFF INTO THE, UM, POLICE STATION.
UM, I'M, UM, UH, VERY LOUD AND I DID NOT, UM, HE KEPT TALKING OVER ME AND I COULDN'T HELP BUT TO GET LOUD CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GET HIM TO LISTEN TO ME.
AND, UM, CALLED ME SCHIZOPHRENIA.
LIKE HOW DO, WHAT DOES MY DIAGNOSIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MY SITUATION IS, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S CAMERAS UP THERE IN THE BOAT BUILDING OR WHAT, BUT JUST TO SEE THEM JUST BOLDLY DOING THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AND HERE I GO, I'M IN FRONT OF YOU GUYS CAUSE THIS, I'M, I'M FINNA MOVE AGAIN DUE TO THE SAME SITUATION EVERY TIME I KEEP MOVING.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A MAIN, IT'S A, UM, IT'S SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THE A AC THAT'S HOW THE MA THE MAINTENANCE GOT EVEN GOT INTO MY APARTMENT FROM JUMP BECAUSE MY APARTMENT WASN'T GETTING HOT.
AND EVERY TIME I MOVE, NOW THEY'RE TURNING OFF MY AIR.
WHEN IT'S COLD, THEY'RE TURNING OFF MY HEAT.
IT GOING FROM DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT, DEPARTMENT TO WHERE I'M STEADY HAVING TO KEEP CALLING THE POLICE.
CUZ THIS GROUP EVENT APPARENTLY NOT GONNA STOP UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY'RE CONNECTED WITH, BUT I'M THE ONE THAT'S STEADY GETTING INSULTED UP.
WE DON'T WRITTEN ON MY FOREHEAD OR YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS PRECIOUS SOLVE.
AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF I'M SCHIZOPHRENIA OR NOT.
YES, I AM STATE APPROVED SCHIZOPHRENIA, BUT I HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE OF MY DIAGNOSIS.
AND I WOULDN'T BE REPORTING THIS TO YOU GUYS IF I WAS NOT DEALING WITH IT.
AND NOBODY WOULD LISTEN TO ME.
AND SO, UM, THEY CA EVERY TIME I KEEP MOVING, KEEP COMING OVER THERE WORKING ON THE PROPERTY WHERE I'M AT, THEY TOOK DOWN MY BUILDING SIGN.
IT, IT'S JUST A LOT OF SICK GAMES THAT'S BEING PLAYED TOWARD ME TO WHERE I'M BEING VIOLATED INSIDE MY HOME.
UH, AND, AND, AND I'VE LOST MY EMPLOYMENT.
I CAN'T WORK BECAUSE THIS GROUP HERE, THEY GO WITH THE BURNING RUBBER.
THEY ONLY, THEY SHINING THESE LIGHTS.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DONE CAME OUT THERE.
THEY SAID IT COULD BE USING A CABLE OR A LASER OR LIGHT, BUT WON'T NOBODY SEE WHERE THEY'RE DOING IT FROM.
AND I HAVE FAULTY WIRING IN MY APARTMENT AS WELL.
CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS CAME OUT THERE AND SEEN THE HOLES, THE SPIDERS.
I PAY PEST CONTROL FOR AN INFESTING FOR THE, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR THEM TO COME OUT AND SPRAY.
THEY DON'T EVEN COME OUT JUST FREE MONEY.
I, I, SO, AND I'M ON DISABILITY, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I, I KEEP MOVING EVERY YEAR AND I CAN'T KEEP MOVING LIKE THAT.
I'M STEADY BACK AND FORTH DOWN HERE AND NOBODY STILL WON'T LISTEN TO ME.
AND THIS GROUP, GROUP IS NOT GONNA STOP UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT.
AND I REALLY JUST WISH SOMEBODY, MY CASE WAS NOT REAL.
IT IT, THE, THE POLICE OFFICER, BEFORE I EVEN TALKED TO THE DETECTIVE OF THE CASE UP UPON THEM ARRESTING THIS GUY, THEY CAME AND KNOCKED ON, HE CAME AND KNOCKED ON MY DOOR AND ASKED ME COULD HE SPEAK TO ME.
DO I MIND TELLING HIM ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED? BUT THE OFFICERS THAT CAME OUT AND TOOK THE REPORT, THEY MARKED THE ASSAULT DOWN.
I'M JUST NOW LOOKING UP CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PENAL CODES GO.
BUT HE HAD THE SEXUAL ASSAULT WRITTEN DOWN AS, UM, IT'S A, UH, UH, IT WAS A SEXUAL ASSAULT, A AC ONE.
IT, IT FALLS UP UNDER SOMETHING LIKE, UH, UH, UH, AIN'T NO SEX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I NEVER TOLD HIM THAT THE, THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, HE TRIED TO MIS MY, HE TRIED TO PENETRATE ME, BUT I GOT HIS HAND.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS DEFINE THAT, BUT I DO HAVE THE POLICE REPORT.
AND IT, IT, IT, IT IS JUST WAS HANDLED VERY CAREFULLY.
I I, I WENT AND TALKED TO MS. CHRISSY.
DETECTIVE HO TOLD ME THAT MY CASE WOULD BE HARD TO PURSUE CAUSE I WASN'T PENETRATED.
AND THAT'S NOT RIGHT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT, IT WASN'T JUST THE CON, HE DIDN'T JUST TOUCH ME.
HE, HE, YOU, HE FORCED HIS TONGUE INTO MY MOUTH AND HE PULLED UP MY SHIRT AND BEGAN SUCKING ON MY BREAST.
AND I KEEP TRYING TO TELL YOU GOT NOBODY.
AND HE KEEP CALLING YOU GUYS, TELLING YOU GUYS WHAT HAPPENED TO KEEP BEING IGNORED BY THIS GROUP.
THAT'S WHY THEY KEEP DOING IT.
CAUSE WHOEVER THEY'LL TELL, THEY KNOW, Y'ALL NOT LISTENING TO ME, I GUESS.
CAUSE I HAVE A DIAGNOSIS, YOU KNOW.
SO I REALLY WISH Y'ALL WOULD TAKING THESE SERIOUSLY.
I, I'M NOT TRYING TO WASTE Y'ALL TIME, BUT I, I, I'M STEADY MOVING.
I'M A CITIZEN OF DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO BE RESPECTFUL AND LET Y'ALL KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.
BECAUSE WHOEVER THEY'RE ATTACHED TO, THEY NOT GONNA STOP.
I MEAN, THEY'RE BOLDLY DOING THIS IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
I, I, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO EVERYBODY TRYING TO JUST GET HELP, YOU KNOW? AND SO THAT'S ALL I CAN FOR MS. SALZ.
I'M, AND, AND WHATEVER IT IS, THE POLICE, I HAVE CALLED THEM SO MANY TIMES.
THEY PUT ON THE, UM, POLICE THING THAT, UM, THAT I'M A HIGH CALL PROFILE.
THIS, THIS GROUP IS TRASHING MY YARD.
SO WHEN I CALL 'EM, THEY'RE SENDING RIGHT CAR OUT TO MY APARTMENT AS IF I WENT OUT THERE AND TRASHED MY YARD.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S DOING IT THOUGH.
I MEAN, THEY JUST DIRTY ME UP LEFT AND RIGHT AND IT'S NOT RIGHT.
UH, MR. MR. WILLIAMS, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PRESENT.
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YES, SIR.CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS BRING COURT.
SHE HAS FOUR CASES WILL GO BY THE ONE, ONE BY ONE.
THE FIRST CASE, UM, INCIDENT WAS JANUARY 23RD.
AND THERE IS A BODY-WORN CAMERA.
AND I'LL SHOW THAT AFTER, UH, THE BRIEF SYNOPSIS LOOK.
D P D, PATERNAL AFFAIRS SUMMARY.
ON DECEMBER 24TH, 2022, AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION RECEIVED A CITIZEN'S LETTER OF COMPLAINT ALLEGING THAT SERGEANT HOLMES JR.
AFTER REVIEWING INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THE COMPLAINT, AVAILABLE DOCUMENTS AND DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES, WE HAVE DETERMINED NO INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED.
THE DECISION NOT TO INVESTIGATE THIS COMPLAINT IS DUE TO THE FOLLOWING.
I WILL PLAY THE VIDEO NOW FROM THE FIRST CASE.
I WILL PLAY THE, ON THE VIDEO FROM THE FIRST CASE.
IT'S, HELLO? DID YOU CALL ABOUT YOUR THING BEING TRASHED OR, YES, I DID.
MY, MY PORCH DON'T LOOK LIKE ME.
I, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S CLEAN AT.
WHO DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THEY DONE DID IT.
SO I'VE BEEN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPORT IT TO THE LEASING OFFICE.
SO I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH STALKING AND HARASSMENT AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE LEASING OFFICER.
CAUSE THEY DEALING WITH STALKING AND HARASSING.
WELL, IT'S NOT A, I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LEASING OFFICE, THEIR MANAGEMENT.
AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
UH, SO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT I'M DEALING WITH STOPPING ARREST WHEN THEY KEEP COMING TO TRASHING MY PORCH.
WHO'S THEY? IT'S A GROUP THAT I'M DEALING WITH.
I DON'T KNOW THE GROUP OF THE GUY THAT I'M DEALING WITH.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHO COME AND DO IT.
I DIDN'T SEE, I, I CAN'T SAY THAT HE CAME UP, MA'AM.
CAUSE I, I DIDN'T SEE WHEN THEY DID IT.
BUT THAT'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.
IF YOU FIND OUT WHO THE GROUP IS OR WHO THE PEOPLE ARE, I KNOW WHO THE GUY IS.
SO IF I SEEN HIM, I'D BE, I'LL BE TELLING YOU.
I I REMEMBER YOU FROM HIGH STREET.
SO IF I, IF I SEEN HIM, I WOULD'VE BE TELLING YOU THAT MICHAEL CAME UP HERE AND TRASHED MY YARD.
SO I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IMMEDIATELY WAS STOPPING AND ASKED ME.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME MY YARD'S BEEN TRASHED.
THIS BELONGS TO THE LEASING OFFICE.
THEY'RE GONNA SAY GO TO THE RIM OFFICE.
I KNOW, BUT THE LEASING OFFICER, CAN I GET SOME KIND OF INCIDENT REPORTING? YEAH.
THE LEASING, THE LEASING OFFICER, THE LEASING OFFICER NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF THIS.
THEY, THEY ARE AWARE OF THINKING, WHAT DO THEY SAY, MA? CALM DOWN TO THINK OF THE THING ABOUT IT.
WHAT DID THEY SAY ABOUT YOU AIN'T DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.
WHERE DID THEY SAY NOTHING? NOTHING.
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THE POLICE COPS.THEY AIN'T GOT, THEY'RE TELLING GOT OUT IN THE GATE.
YOU, YOU AND YOU, WHEN YOU CALL, THEY'RE TELLING YOU ABLE TO COME STRAIGHT THROUGH THE GATE.
SO YOU THINK THEY CAR CAUSE THE OTHER PROPERTY, THE GATE CLOSED, SIR.
I KEEP ON SAYING THEY GOT NO CAMERAS PROPERTY AND THEY AIN'T TRYING TO DO WHAT? I GOTTA CALL Y'ALL.
GOTTA BE RIGHT ACROSS OVER THERE.
WHATEVER THE MAN THAT KEEP ON THIS DOCUMENTATION SHOWING YOU CALLED THE POLICE, OKAY? MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW HOW THEY GOT THE BLUE CARDS WHEN YOU MAKE A POLICE, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE THE POLICE? CAUSE I GOT STUFF IN HERE.
YOU WHAT? NO, YOU DON'T GOT CALL.
DON'T, I DIDN'T ASK YOU COME MY HOUSE.
YOU GO BACK OUTSIDE, MA'AM, YOU CALL 9 1 1.
I DON'T NEED TO IN MY HOUSE THOUGH.
SO WHEN YOU GOT EM, AND YOU CAN HEAR ME REAL GOOD TOO.
SHOULD PUT ON SOME GLOVES, BUT DUDE, DO YOU KNOW THEY GOT THE BLUE CARD WHEN WE MAKE THE POLICE REPORT? OKAY.
SO I JUST PROTECTED THAT FAMILY DOLLAR.
WE DON'T, I DIDN'T, I I RECEIVED THIS.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY DETECTIVE FAILING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE REPORTS DUE TO THE INCIDENT REPORTS THAT Y'ALL GIVING ME.
YEAH, I WAS BRUTALLY ATTACKED.
AND THEY GAVE ME THE SAME THING.
A BLUE CARD USED TO BE FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE.
THAT THEY, THEY, WE USED TO USE THOSE FOR FAMILY VIOLENCE.
NOW WE, WE FILL OUT A PACKET AND WE GIVE YOU THE LAST PAGE OF THE PACKET, WHICH IS A WHOLE SHEET AND IT HAS ALL THOSE PHONE NUMBERS.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING? UM, EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME.
UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN, YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK BEFORE NOW.
THIS IS FOR THE BOARD TO THE, UH, DISCUSSED.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE END OF THE VIDEO.
UH, DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE A QUESTION FOR, UH, D P D OFFER? MR. WILLIAMS KNOW WHO THAT WAS? DON'T YOU? OFF CAMP FOLKS.
DID SOMEONE SAY SOMETHING ON WEBEX? MM-HMM.
ONE QUESTION WAS, WAS THAT VIDEO THE ONE WHERE SHE WAS CLAIMING SEXUAL ASSAULT? NO.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, FROM THE BOARD? I'M SORRY, MS. SAL, YOU CAN'T SPEAK OUT.
THE ONLY THE BOARD IS CAN TALK.
UH, ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SO TH THERE ARE, UH, THREE, THREE OTHER CASES.
SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, TAKE 'EM ONE BY ONE.
SO I'M GONNA ASK THE BOARD FOR A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR THIS FIRST CASE, ASKING FOR A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? I'LL ASK AGAIN.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? LAST CALL.
IS THERE AN, IS THERE A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR CASE NUMBER ONE? MR. WILLIAMSON? GO AHEAD WITH ON CASE NUMBER TWO.
YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, CASE NUMBER TWO, INVOLVED.
I A D THERE'S NOBODY ONE CAMERA FOR THIS.
THIS, UH, AN OFFICER INVOLVED IS SERGEANT ALLEN HOLMES JR.
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ALLEGATIONS.COMPLAINANT STATES DETECTIVE HOLMES FAILED TO FULLY INVESTIGATE OR SEXUAL ASSAULT GAMES.
D P D'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION SUMMARY.
THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT YOU SENT DATED MARCH 22ND.
AFTER REVIEW OF INFORMATION PROVIDED, WE ARE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
NO INVESTIGATION WARRANTED AFTER YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS TO MR. WILLIAMS OR TO D P D FROM THE BOARD FOR CASE NUMBER TWO, IS ALAN DISTRICT 10? I'M ASSUMING THE SIMILAR OR THE, THE SITUATION IS THE SAME.
WE JUST HAVE, WE WON'T SEE ANY OF THE ACTUAL INVESTIGATIVE WORK.
WE JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT I A D LOOKED AT IT AND SAID THAT THERE WAS NO VIOLATION, THAT THE INVESTIGATION WASN'T DONE PROPERLY.
IS THAT CORRECT? I D'S YOU CAN, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ASK, I, I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION IS, AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT POSSIBLE INVESTIGATION THEY DID? IF SOMEONE ON FROM IAD IS ON THE LINE? UM, UH, COULD YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON? IS IS THERE SOMEONE? YES.
SO LIEUTENANT CLEAR AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO THE QUESTION IS, UH, SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS, UH, CASE WHERE WE WERE ASKING ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL INVESTIGATIVE PRODUCT WAS.
MY, I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING, WE DON'T HAVE PRIVY TO THAT ACTUAL INVESTIGATIVE MATERIAL.
WE'RE JUST, HAVE I A D REVIEWED IT AND DECIDED THAT THERE WAS NO, UH, THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE INVESTIGATION.
SO THERE WAS NO REASON FOR, UH, FOR AN ADDITIONAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE COMPLAINT.
ON THE, ON THE NEXT, UH, THESE THREE CASES ARE RELATED.
THE, THE THREE CASES THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT, THE ONE SPECIFICALLY NOW, AND AS WELL AS THE NEXT TWO.
BUT ON THE, THE SEXUAL ASSAULT, UM, THAT OFFENSE WAS MADE, DETECTIVES WENT OUT TO THE OFFENSE LOCATION AND FOUND THAT, UH, THAT LOCATION WAS AT SOMEONE'S HOUSE.
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, UM, THE OUTCRY.
UM, DETECTIVES ALSO WENT TO THE OFFENSE LOCATION THAT MS. STALLS HAD ON THE, UH, THAT SHE SAID IT HAD OCCURRED AT AND MET WITH WITNESSES AND NO ONE KNEW, UH, MS. SAS.
AND ALSO NO ONE KNEW THAT SUSPECT.
UH, THE DETECTIVE ALSO MET WITH MS. SAS AND ULTIMATELY THEY DETERMINED THAT THE OFFENSE WAS UNFOUNDED, BUT THEY DID A COMPLETE INVESTIGATION AND IN THE END, UM, UNFOUNDED THE OFFENSE REPORT.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANYONE ON WEBEX? OKAY.
I'LL ASK FOR, UH, A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF CASE NUMBER TWO.
IS THERE A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR CASE NUMBER TWO? THIRD, UH, THIRD TIME ASKING, IS THERE A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF CASE NUMBER TWO? MR. WELLS? WE CAN MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER THREE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CASE NUMBER THREE.
THE ALLEGATION IS IMPROPER OR NO ACTION.
ON MARCH 8TH, THE TWO UNKNOWN DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS RESPONDED TO HER RESIDENCE AND FAILED TO TAKE A HER REPORT.
D P D, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION SUMMARY.
MARCH 13TH, 2020, 2019, INVESTIGATIVE OFFICERS, DETECTIVE BART WENT TO THE OFF OFFENSE LOCATION PROVIDED IN THE OFFENSE REPORT AND FOUND ONLY A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT HOUSES THE PHYSICAL ADDRESS OF 42 10 HAMILTON DOES NOT EXIST.
INVESTIGATING OFFICER, DETECTIVE BARTON WENT TO THE OTHER ADDRESS LISTED IN THE REPORT, 30 11 PARK ROAD AND MET WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX MANAGER.
WITNESSES CONFIRMED THEY DO NOT HAVE A MAINTENANCE EMPLOYEE NAMED ALEX.
THE WITNESS FURTHER CONFIRMED THAT THE COMPLAINANT IS NOT LISTED ON ANY APARTMENT, APARTMENT LEASE, EITHER AS A LEASE OR AS A LIVING IN THE
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APARTMENT OR PROPERTY.INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT SENT BY MS. BY MS. SAS ON MARCH 23RD.
AFTER REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, WE ARE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
AS A RESULT, IT IS DETERMINED, NO INVESTIGATION WARRANTED.
A ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THIS? UH, I JUST HAVE ONE, ONE QUESTION TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
WAS THERE A SEPARATE INVESTIGATION FOR CASE NUMBER THREE AS OPPOSED TO CASE NUMBER TWO? OR WAS THERE ONE INVESTIGATION AS TO BOTH? IT WAS ONE INTO BOTH.
AND WE RELATED THAT ORIGINAL INVEST RELATED THAT ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION INTO THE OTHER TWO THAT WE'RE, UH, TALKING ABOUT NOW.
SO THE, THE WE'RE SAYING THAT THE APARTMENT THAT WHERE THIS, THIS OFFENSE HAPPENED ON
THAT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THE INVESTIGATION IS SAYING.
WAS THERE ANYONE WHO, WHO COULD HAVE MET THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT MAINTENANCE EMPLOYEE?
WE DIDN'T DO THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
THIS, THESE ARE THE NOTES FROM THE, UH, RIGHT.
I I'M ASKING ON THE, THE, UH, FOR, IN, IN THAT INVESTIGATION, WAS THERE, DID THEY EVEN CHECK TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT MET THE DES DESCRIPTION, OR DID THEY JUST LOOK FOR SOMEONE NAMED ALEX? AND, AND THAT WAS THE, THE END OF THE INVESTIGATION.
I'M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT LOOKING FOR, UH, UH, SOMEBODY THAT MET THE DESCRIPTION ON, I'M NOT CERTAIN ABOUT THAT.
SO HOW, HOW DETAILED CAN YOU GO INTO THE NOTES OF THAT INVESTIGATION? NOT, NOT REALLY IN DEPTH.
I CAN GIVE YOU THE JOURNAL OVERVIEW OF IT, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S, UH, ABOUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN GO INTO IT.
I KNOW I'VE, I'VE READ THE, THE, THE CASE NOTES.
CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A, THE, THE, A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF IT? SURE.
UM, MS. SALS SAID AN OFFENSE OCCURRED AT A SPECIFIC LOCATION.
MR. WILLIAMS TOUCHED ON THAT LOCATION.
THE OFFICER THAT TOOK THE REPORT, WENT THERE WITH MS. SALS, GATHERED ALL THE INFORMATION FROM HER IN PERSON.
UM, THAT CASE WAS ASSIGNED TO A, UM, SALS DETECTIVE.
THAT DETECTIVE WENT TO THEIR LOCATION THAT MS. SAS SAID IT OCCURRED.
AND, UM, THE FIRST LOCATION DID NOT EXIST.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND LOCATION, UM, AS MR. WILLIAMS STATED, UM, MS. SALS NEVER WAS ON THE LEASE OR NEVER WAS, UH, PERSON THAT LIVED THERE.
AND, UM, THE DETECTIVE ALSO INQUIRED ABOUT THE MAN SPECIFICALLY.
UH, SHE STATED IN THE, I GUESS, THE MAINTENANCE OR NOT MAINTENANCE BROKER, BUT THE, UM, APARTMENT MANAGERS THERE SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYONE THAT WORKS THERE BY THAT NAME.
SO JUST BECAUSE SHE WASN'T ON THE LEASE THAT THEY STATE THAT THEY'D NEVER SEEN HER BEFORE, BUT SHE'S NEVER BEEN AT THAT IN, IN THAT, UH, COMPLEX, OR DID THEY JUST STOP AS SHE'S NOT ON THE LEASE? YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ANY ON WEBEX? OKAY.
SO FOR CASE THREE, AGAIN, I, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
AGAIN, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF CASE THREE.
UM, SORRY, I, I THINK YOU BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET THOSE ANSWERED JUST TO KIND OF HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF
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WHAT, WHAT WAS FOUND? CUZ THE OVERVIEW SEEMS TO LACK A LOT OF DETAILS.ONLY WAY TO GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED IS FOR THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO ASK AGAIN FOR A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
CAN WE GET A SECOND? I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE PROPER ORDER OF THINGS, BUT I WILL SECOND MR. SMITH'S MOTION.
IS THERE ANY READINESS BEFORE WE PUT THIS TO A VOTE? I WILL PUT IT WILL PUT IT TO A VOTE.
DISTRICT THREE, WHICH IS MYSELF.
DIRECTOR, GET THE, THE, THE VOTE.
NEXT IS ON CASE NUMBER FOUR, MR. WILLIAMS? YES, SIR.
MR. CHAIRMAN, CASE NUMBER FOUR.
SYNOPSIS OF THE COMPLAINT IS PRECIOUS SAUL STATE THAT DETECTIVE HOLMES FAILED TO FULLY INVESTIGATE.
THIS IS A DUPLICATE DC 20 21, 11 42 D P D, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION SUMMARY.
RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT DATED MARCH 23RD.
AS AFTER A REVIEW OF INFORMATION PROVIDED, WE ARE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES, PROCEDURES.
AS A RESULT, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT NO INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED.
THIS IS A COMPLAINT THAT IS A DUPLICATE.
THE ONE FILED ON MARCH 22ND REGARDING THE COMPLAINANT THAT WAS INVESTIGATED BY LIEUTENANT MATTHEW PEES INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION WITH A FILING OF NO INVESTIGATION, NO POLICY VIOLATION.
SO THIS, THIS IS A DUPLICATE OF, OF COMPLAINT NUMBER TWO.
AM I CORRECT MR. WILLIAMS? THE INITIAL, UH, IT IS NOT, THIS IS NOT EC OH, I'M SORRY.
OF A CASE THAT HAPPENED IN 2021.
OH, SO WE DON'T HAVE THE DUPLICATE OF THE, UM, OF THE, OF THAT SECOND.
JUST SO THE BOARD MEMBERS KNOW, THE YEAR IS IN FRONT OF IT.
SO IT'S A DUPLICATE OF A CASE SHE FILED IN 2021.
SO THE, THE NUMBER IN FRONT OF 2020 SOMETHINGS IS, IS ACTUALLY THE YEAR CASE HAPPENED.
THAT'S HOW THEY DOCUMENTED INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE, THE BOARD ON CASE NUMBER FOUR?
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ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE ON, ON WEBEX X? SO I'LL ASK FOR, FOR ASK FOR A MOTION.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FREE TO MR. WILLIAMS OR FOR, UH, D P D? SO I ASK FOR A MOTION FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR CASE NUMBER FOUR.
AGAIN, I ASK FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR CASE NUMBER FOUR.
AGAIN, I ASKED FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF CASE NUMBER FOUR.
UM, WE WILL MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM THREE A.
WE'VE BEEN JUMPING AROUND ON THE, THE AGENDA.
UH, WE WILL, UH, LOOK AT, UM, TWO E O C P O POLICY REVIEW OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PROTESTING USE OF FORCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS, O C P O, DIRECTOR, MCCLARY, AND DIRECTOR.
BEFORE YOU START, I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THE FACT THAT, UH, THE D P D WAS BEING DEALT WITH THAT RANSOMWARE ATTACK AND THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THIS MEETING TO BOARD MEMBERS.
SO I'M GONNA ASK IF MY COLLEAGUE, CAPTAIN KEVIN BURNS, CAN CUT HIS CAMERA ON.
HE, UM, SO I JUST WANNA PUT A DISCLAIMER OUT THERE, AND HE'LL PROBABLY DO THE SAME AS HE SPEAKS.
HE IS NOT HERE SPEAKING, HE IS A CAPTAIN WITH THE NEW ORLEANS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HE IS NOT SPEAKING ON THEIR BEHALF.
I CONSULTED HIM BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERTISE IN THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES.
SO HE IS NOT REPRESENTING THE NEW ORLEANS POLICE DEPARTMENT, SO I JUST WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR.
UM, AND SO THIS IS GONNA BE A TWO-PART REVIEW.
WE ACTUALLY DID, UM, FINISH THE REVIEW OF THE PROTEST POLICIES, BUT THE PROTEST, THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES.
WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS TACKLE THE BIG ONE, THE, UM, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS AND, UH, DEATH AND CUSTODY AND OTHER CRITICAL INCIDENTS.
AND SO NEXT MONTH WE WILL BRING YOU THE OTHER USE OF FORCE POLICIES, UM, AND BRING YOU ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE.
AND SO THIS IS KIND OF A TWO-PARTER.
TWO-PARTER JUST FOR THE USE OF FORCE, THE CIVIL UNREST PART.
WE HAVE CONCLUDED, UM, THE, UH, REVIEW OF THOSE PARTICULAR POLICIES.
AND SO, AS I SAID IN JUNE, WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE OTHER USE OF FORCE POLICIES.
SO I'M GONNA START OUT WITH, UM, THE POLICY REGARDING, UM, PROTEST AND CIVIL UNREST.
AND SO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE BOARD.
UM, IT'S GENERAL ORDER 6 0 3 CIVIL UNREST.
AND SO, UM, I JUST ALSO WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT I HAVE NOT SENT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD.
I WANTED TO PREMIERE THEM, UM, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THEM FIRST WITH THE BOARD, GET ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD SO I CAN SEND FORWARD, UM, ONE DOCUMENT TO D P D.
AND SO IN DOING THIS REVIEW, WE HAVE SEVERAL RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT WE HAD SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL BE SENDING FORWARD TO D P D TO HELP ANSWER, AND HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT WILL GIVE US SOME MORE ILLUMINATION INTO SOME OF THEIR POLICIES.
SO LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT THEIR CIVIL UNREST POLICY.
AND SO THIS IS THE POLICY, UM, WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT PROTESTS, ET CETERA.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD WAS FOR THEM TO ADD KIND OF SOME FRAMING LANGUAGE AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT GENERAL ORDER.
I THINK THAT YOU ALL SAW THE GENERAL ORDER, AND THESE, THIS PARTICULAR GENERAL ORDER, THEIR 600 S ARE NOT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
SO THE PUBLIC WOULDN'T SEE THIS FRAMEWORK.
BUT I STILL THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS KIND OF FRAMEWORK, EVEN INSIDE THE DEPARTMENT, TO REMIND THE MEN AND WOMEN WHY THEY ARE DOING PROTESTS AND WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND SO YOU WILL SEE THERE THAT WE ADDED PARTICULAR, UM, LANGUAGE, SUGGESTED LANGUAGE.
WE ADDED FOUR PARTICULAR, UM, PARAGRAPHS THAT THEY MAY WANNA CONSIDER PUTTING AT THE VERY TOP OF, UM, THE AGENDA.
AND SO THE FIRST ONE HAS TO DO WITH KIND OF THE TRAINING EMPHASIS AND THE SANCTITY OF ALL HUMAN LIFE.
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY
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IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE OUT AND YOU'RE DOING PROTESTS AND CIVIL UNREST, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S EASY TO THINK US VERSUS THEM, ET CETERA.AND SO I THINK REMINDING, HAVING THE MEN AND WOMEN IN, UH, OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT THERE'S A SANCTITY OF ALL HUMAN LIFE.
SO THAT'S THE PUBLIC, THAT'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND EVEN THOSE THAT ARE ACCUSED OF COMMITTING CRIMES.
AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT, UM, THIS LANGUAGE AROUND TREATING ALL PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT IS PARAMOUNT, UM, AS GUARDIANS OF THE PUBLIC TRUST AND SAFETY WOULD BE SOME GOOD LANGUAGE TO ADD.
THE SECOND PARAGRAPH THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT ADDING WAS ABOUT THE RESPONS, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ENSURING THAT PARTICIPANTS IN ALL FORMS OF CIVIL PROTESTS ARE ALLOWED TO EXERCISE FREE SPEECH, FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY, AND THE RIGHT TO, UM, CONDUCT PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS, UM, ET CETERA WITHIN THE GUIDELINES.
AND SO WE THOUGHT THAT ADDING THIS LANGUAGE WOULD ALSO BE VERY HELPFUL.
I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SEEN SOME OF THAT, EVEN UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF FORMER CHIEF, UH, RENEE HALL.
UH, THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME AFTER THE PROTEST WHERE IF YOU WERE JUST OUT THERE WITH YOUR NAKED EYE, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW D P D WAS THERE.
THEY WERE SO KIND OF REMOVED, NOT FROM THE INCIDENT, BUT JUST FROM THE SHOWING.
AND THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE RESULT OF CONVERSATION WITH US ABOUT EVEN THE SHOWS OF FORCE SOMETIMES ESCALATES THINGS.
AND SO THIS, THIS NUMBER TWO GOES TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF COURSE, OF PROTECTING PEOPLE AND, AND ALSO MAKING SURE THAT THEY CAN EXERCISE THEIR FREE SPEECH AND THEIR FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY.
UM, THE THIRD PARAGRAPH THAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT SUGGESTING WAS TO TALK ABOUT, UM, EQUITY AND RESPECT.
AND BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT PROTESTS AND WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN ISSUE.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT TO PROTEST, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT THEY CARE VERY DEEPLY ABOUT.
AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF WE DISAGREE, EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE WITH IT AS AN OFFICER, ET CETERA, THAT YOU STILL SHOULD BE, UM, YOUR SERVICES TO STILL BE EQUITABLE AND RESPECTFUL AND BIAS FREE.
AND SO THERE'S LANGUAGE THERE THAT WE TALK ABOUT.
WE REALLY JUST KIND OF NAME IT, YOU KNOW, AT RACE, COLOR, ETHNICITY, NATIONAL ORIGIN, RELIGION, GENDER, GENDER IDENTITY, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, ECONOMICS.
SO WE KIND OF GO THROUGH THE LIST OF NO MATTER WHERE PEOPLE FALL IN THIS SPECTRUM, AND THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE IDENTITIES THAT THE POLICE ARE ENCOUNTERING DURING A PROTEST OR CIVIL UNREST, THAT IT WAS STILL IMPORTANT TO TREAT PEOPLE, UH, EQUITABLY.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS ABOUT THE LAST LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT BIAS BASED POLICING, AND THAT IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED, RIGHT? THAT WE NO MATTER, YOU KNOW, WHO THE PROTESTORS ARE OR THE CIVIL UNREST IS GOING ON, THAT WE STILL HAVE TO, WE CAN'T BRING IN BIAS BA BASED POLICING.
AND SO THIS LANGUAGE, UM, IS TO REALLY JUST SHORE UP, LIKE I SAID.
SO THIS WOULD BE LITERALLY JUST ON TOP OF THE ACTUAL GENERAL ORDER, JUST KIND OF LIKE A PREAMBLE THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING.
UM, AND, UH, CAPTAIN BURNS JUMPING AT ANY TIME.
UM, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, WE TALKED ABOUT DEVELOPING USE OF POL USE OF FORCE POLICIES, SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED AS CIVIL UNREST.
AND SO WE FEEL THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IN YOUR GENERAL ORDERS, AND THIS IS THE SECOND PART OF THE REVIEW IN THE 900 S, THEY DO HAVE A RESPONSE TO CONTINUUM SECTION.
THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE STUFF ABOUT WHEN WE CAN USE PEPPER BRAWLS AND OC SPRAY AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT I'M GONNA ASK, UH, CAPTAIN BURNS, IF HE CAN EXPLAIN, I MEAN, I CAN DO IT, BUT I THINK TO HEAR IT FROM YOU ABOUT WHY IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC, IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOME SPECIFICALLY AROUND, UH, PROTEST AND CIVIL UNREST.
UM, SO WHEN YOU HAVE A NORMAL USE OF FORCE POLICY, THERE MAY BE ACTIONS THAT'S, UH, CONSIDERED, UH, NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU APPROACH AN INDIVIDUAL AND THERE'S A NEED TO USE, UM, A BEANBAG UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCE, IT'S NOT, UM, NORMAL SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES.
JUST FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AN INDIVIDUAL TO MOVE FROM IN FRONT OF A STORE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA USE A, A BEANBAG, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO UNDER A NORMAL POLICY, THAT TYPE OF FORCE MAY BE DEEMED EXCESSIVE, BUT IN A SCENARIO THAT'S CONSIDERED A PROTEST, YOU MAY HAVE A UNRULY CROWD OR A CROWD THAT YOU NEED TO MOVE THAT MAY BE PERMISSIBLE UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND IT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH THE, IN THE TWO TYPES OF POLICIES, UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA FIND, UH, SCENARIOS UNDER NORMAL ENFORCEMENT THAT YOU WOULD FIND IN A PRO, UH, PROTEST PER SE.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND RULES FOR THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS.
AND OUR THIRD RECOMMENDATION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANNA ASK
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QUESTIONS, MAYBE WE'LL JUST WRAP UP THIS SECTION CUZ WE ONLY JUST HAD THE FOUR.AND THEN, UM, HAVE IT BEFORE WE GET INTO THEIR, UM, USE OF FORCE POLICIES, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.
OUR THIRD RECOMMENDATION WAS ROBUST AFTER ACTION REPORTS.
UM, I THINK THAT YOU ALL REMEMBER AFTER ALL THE PROTESTS AND GEORGE FLOYD, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RE UM, RELEASED LIKE AN 85 PAGE AFTER ACTION REPORT.
AND IT'S OUR, UM, WE THINK THAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING AFTER ACTION REPORTS, AFTER ALL MAJOR INCIDENTS.
SO AFTER ALL SHOOTINGS AND OTHER THINGS THAT THERE SHOULD BE THE PRODUCTION OF AFTER ACTION REPORTS.
AND WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS IN THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH, UM, THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THOSE AFTER ACTION REPORTS.
AND THE REASON WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE THAT IS A CHANCE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO REALLY SIT BACK AT A SITUATION AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? IS THERE SOME TRAINING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? IS THERE A POLICY THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE? IS THERE SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO? OR IS THIS, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT OFFICER DID? RIGHT? SO WE WANNA START HAVING THEM TRAIN ON THIS SCENARIO IN THE ACADEMY, RIGHT? SO IT'S REALLY TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO REALLY DELVE INTO, UM, MAJOR INCIDENTS.
AND SO WE FELT LIKE THEY SHOULD, UM, TALK ABOUT AFTER PRODU THE PRODUCTION OF AFTER ACTION REPORTS, AFTER, UM, ANY TYPE OF CIVIL UNREST OR MAJOR PROTEST EVENT.
AND THEN OUR LAST RECOMMENDATION WAS THE CRITICAL INCIDENT STRESS DEBRIEFING.
AND SO I'M GONNA ASK IF, UH, CAPTAIN BURNS, IF YOU CAN SAY, UM, TALK TO US ABOUT RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR.
SO ANY TRAUMATIC INCIDENT IS GONNA, UH, HAVE A LASTING EFFECT ON ANYONE RATHER IT BE THE CITIZEN OR THE POLICE OFFICERS.
AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT MENTAL HEALTH FOR THE OFFICERS IS ALSO IMPORTANT AND WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE SERVICES FOR OFFICERS WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UM, SUCH EVENTS.
UM, ALSO EVEN THE CITIZENS THAT'S INVOLVED, THEY MAY HAVE HAD FOUR ISSUES AGAINST THEM.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
SO AGAIN, WE MUST EMPHASIZE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH AND THERE SHOULD BE SOME TYPE OF OUTREACH OR SOME TYPE OF COUNSELING OR SERVICES FOR ALL OF ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED IN, UH, SUCH AN EVENT.
SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS MAY RETURN TO A NORMAL STATE OF BEING TO, TO DO POLICING, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL POLICING ESPECIALLY.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA SEND AN OFFICER TO WORK WHO'S EXPERIENCING A CRISIS OR SOME TYPE OF LASTING EFFECT FROM AN EVENT.
YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, IN A NORMAL STATE OF MIND SO THAT THEY CAN DO THEIR JOB, UH, AT, YOU KNOW, IN AN ETHICAL MANNER.
SO THAT'S THE, THE IDEA BEHIND IT.
SO CHAIRMAN, I'M GONNA STOP THERE, UH, BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR REVIEW OF THE CIVIL UNREST POLICY AND SEE IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING ABOUT THE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WITH THE REC.
I, I LIKE THE APPROACH THAT YOU TOOK WITH, UH, WITH THIS, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE, UM, THE FRAMING LANGUAGE, ESPECIALLY STARTING WITH TALKING ABOUT DP D'S MISSION, STATEMENT OF POLICIES, KIND OF SETTING A TONE FOR HOW YOU SHOULD, UH, APPLY THESE POLICIES.
UM, BUT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE BOARD IS DO ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SECTION? YEAH, MARSHALL DISTRICT 10, I, IT'S NOT SO MUCH OF A QUESTION.
UH, WELL I GUESS IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION ON THE, THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE WOULD NEED TO BE SOMETHING IN PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF A CIVIL UNREST SITUATION OR TOWARDS THE VERY END WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN, YOU KNOW, THE SENIOR, UH, POSITION OF THE, OF THE FORCE MAKING A DECLARATION, THAT THIS FORCE CONTINUUM IS NOW IN PLACE.
THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF SOMETHING THAT SENIOR LEADERSHIP IS NOT GONNA REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE GROUND.
UH, IF YOU'RE AT THE VERY END OF SOMETHING AND YOU HAVE OFFICERS ON THE GROUND THAT DON'T KNOW THAT THINGS ARE TOWARDS THE END AND TAKING THAT SAME KIND OF FORCE CONTINUUM THAT'S ALLOWABLE UNDER CIVIL UNREST, IT ACTUALLY MIGHT CONTINUE AND, AND RE PROVOKE THE SITUATION.
SO I LIKE THE IDEA AND I'M ON BOARD WITH IT, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MAYBE MORE THOUGHT GIVEN INTO HOW THAT'S DECLARED BY SENIOR LEADERSHIP.
BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU PUT IT IN A SITUATION WHERE EACH OFFICER GETS TO DECIDE, WELL, I'M NOW IN A CIVIL UNREST SITUATION, WELL IS THAT, IS THAT FIVE OR 10 PEOPLE WITH ONLY TWO OFFICERS? IS IT A 200 PERSON PROTEST? AND WE'RE WITHIN A, I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS AND I THINK YOU, YOU OPEN YOURSELF UP TO A LOT OF, UH, NEGATIVE POSSIBILITIES WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU JUST BLANKETLY SAY, OKAY, YOU GET TO DETERMINE AS AN OFFICER
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ON YOUR OWN WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE IN A CIVIL UNREST SITUATION AND YOU NOW GET TO USE THESE DIFFERENT SET OF, UH, SPECTRUM OF FORCE.AND SO I LIKE THE IDEA, BUT I, I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE THOUGHT GIVEN TO HOW YOU DECLARE AND HOW YOU DISTRIBUTE THAT INFORMATION TO THE OFFICERS SO THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE AND EVERYBODY'S USING THE SAME SPECTRUM OF FORCE AND EVERYBODY'S OKAY, IT'S TIME TO TAKE THINGS BACK DOWN A NOTCH AND, AND, AND WE NEED TO REMOVE THAT LEVEL OF FORCE.
AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN, IS MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THE WHOLE FORCE AND EVERYBODY'S THAT'S INVOLVED IS ON THE SAME PAGE FROM BEGINNING TO END.
AND I THINK THAT'S HARD TO DO BECAUSE AGAIN, SENIOR, LIKE, IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PLANNED PROTEST THAT GOES SIDEWAYS.
FREQUENTLY, THOSE THINGS HAPPEN OUT OF THE BLUE AND VERY UNEXPECTED.
AND SO THE OFFICERS ON THE GROUND MIGHT BE SEEING SOMETHING VERY URGENT WHERE SENIOR LEADERSHIP HAS NO IDEA JUST YET AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND CONVERSELY, AT THE END OF SOMETHING, OFFICERS ON THE GROUND IN AREAS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IMPACTED BY WHAT'S HAPPENING, HAVE NO IDEA THAT SENIOR LEADERSHIP HAS SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE COME TO THE END OF THIS AND WE NEED TO GO BACK TO A NORMAL, YOU KNOW, NORMAL PROCEDURES.
AND SO I, I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE THOUGHT GIVEN IN IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.
CAPTAIN, YOU WANT TO, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? NO, I AGREE.
I THINK THIS JUST THE INFANCY STAGES OF THE DOCUMENTATION.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, AS THE GENTLEMAN STATED, IT'S GONNA NEED TO BE IRONED OUT.
UM, BUT, BUT AGAIN, IF WE NEED TO HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS OFFLINE, WE HAVE MILLIONS OF VISITORS THAT COMES TO NEW ORLEANS ON A YEARLY BASIS.
AND, UH, I WOULD CONSIDER OUR AGENCY, UH, EXPERTS IN CROWD CONTROL.
UM, WE HAVE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES TO PREVENT A PEACEFUL PROTEST TURNING INTO ALL OUT RIOTS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL AVAILABLE, WE IN THIS TOGETHER, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, YOU WANT TO PICK OUR BRAINS ABOUT ANYTHING, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO, UM, PARTICIPATING IN THAT DISCUSSION.
AND LET ME JUST SAY THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I CONTACTED A COLLEAGUE FROM, UM, N O P D.
SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SMALLER THAN DALLAS, THE FACT THAT HE JUST SAID, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT IS SUCH A CITY WHERE LITERALLY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COME THROUGH.
SO THEY DEAL WITH MARDI GRAS ALL KIND OF CROWD CONTROL AND UNREST.
AND SO JUST SO PEOPLE WANT, IN CASE PEOPLE WANNA KNOW, WELL, THEY'RE A SMALLER DEPARTMENT, WHY DID YOU CONTACT THEM? THEY ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SMALL, THEY HAVE MAJOR EVENTS ALL YEAR LONG.
AND SO THEY HAVE AN EXPERTISE IN THIS KIND OF ISSUE AROUND CIVIL UNREST.
AND, AND I'M, I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT I'M OPPOSED TO THIS ANYWAY.
I JUST THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON OPERATING AS ONE TEAM AND, AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THAT INFORMATION COMMUNICATED UP AND DOWN THE CHAIN.
UM, WILL THESE, SO THIS POLICY DEAL WITH CIVIL UNREST, AND I GUESS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT WE KIND OF DE WE KIND OF SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZED CIVIL UNREST THAT COULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE TO A BUILDING OR, OR A FREEWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM AN ALL OUT RIOT OR FROM SOMEONE THAT'S, THAT'S ACTUALLY TRYING TO ENGAGE IN SOME LEVEL OF, OF, OF PROPERTY DAMAGE OR INFLICT HARM WITH INDIVIDUALS.
CAUSE YOU COULD, YOU, YOU CAN HAVE AND DIRECT, WE'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS BEFORE ABOUT THAT PASSIVE RESISTANCE.
YOU COULD HAVE SOME A THOUSAND PEOPLE PASSIVELY RESISTING AND MAKING SURE THAT, THAT THEY'RE NOT TREATED LIKE A THOUSAND PEOPLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE, THE BOARD AND ONE ON WEBEX? Y'ALL ARE QUIET TODAY.
OKAY, DIRECTOR, WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE, TO THE NEXT SECTION.
SO AS STATED, THIS NEXT SESSION, THIS USE OF FORCE, UH, REVIEW WAS ONLY FOCUSED ON OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, DEATH AND CUSTODIES AND CRITICAL INCIDENTS.
AND SO WE LITERALLY, THAT'S SECTION THREE 17, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE.
AND SO WE LITERALLY WENT SECTION BY SECTION, UM, AND MADE SOME PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATIONS OR EITHER HAD QUESTIONS THAT WE WANTED TO POSE TO, TO D P D.
UM, CUZ AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, DPDS GENERAL ORDERS ARE LIKE 585 PAGES.
SO THERE COULD BE SOME PLACES, ALTHOUGH WE DID TRY TO SEARCH FOR THE LANGUAGE FOR ALL OF THESE THAT MAYBE
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IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WE DIDN'T FIND IT OR WHATEVER.SO SOME OF THESE THINGS MAYBE THEY HAVE IT AND WE JUST, IT WAS JUST IN OTHER SECTIONS, EVEN THOUGH WE DID TRY TO CROSS REFERENCE.
SO THE FIR UH, SO THE GENERAL ORDER AROUND OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS AND OTHER CRITICAL INCIDENTS RESULTING IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH IS SECTION THREE 17.
AND SO, UM, AND SO LIEUTENANT, UH, I'M SORRY CAPTAIN, WE SHOULD PROBABLY MAYBE TAKE TURNS AND GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
SO I'LL START OUT WITH SECTION, UM, THREE 17 ITSELF.
SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT WAS THAT THIS SECTION SHOULD IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
SO NORMALLY AT, AT, AT ANY SHOOTING OR CRITICAL INCIDENT IS NORMALLY HANDLED BY THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT.
SO YOU'LL SEE S I U ALL THROUGHOUT, UM, THE DOCUMENT, THIS PARTICULAR SECTION BECAUSE THAT'S WHO PHYSICALLY COMES OUT THERE.
BUT ONE OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAD WAS, WHAT ARE THE OTHER INVESTIGATIVE BUREAUS THAT ARE DOING THIS BESIDES S SIU? SO FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD I JUST TAKE ONE NOTES? IT WAS KIND OF OBVIOUS WHY WE WOULD HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE INVESTIGATING.
SO WHEN WE HAD THAT SHOOTING AT LOVE FIELD, WE HAD ATF, WE HAD F FBI, WE HAD OTHER PLACES.
AND SO IT'S THE SAME THING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU KNOW, IF S I U IS ACTUALLY PARTNERING WITH OTHER PEOPLE, WE SHOULD KIND OF KNOW WHO THAT IS, WHAT, WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE THAT ARE DOING THESE INVESTIGATIONS.
AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION WHICH IS WHAT I A D HANDLES, WHICH IS WHY LIEUTENANT GREER KEPT TELLING YOU GUYS HE DIDN'T HAVE ALL OF THAT CUZ THEY DIDN'T DO THE CRIMINAL.
SO THERE'S AN ADMIN SIDE AND THEN THERE'S A CRIMINAL SIDE OF THE INVESTIGATION.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, CAPTAIN BURNS TALK TO THIS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF POTENTIALLY THEM RUNNING CONCURRENTLY.
SO, UM, I KNOW I SAID I WAS GOING TO, UH, TAKE THIS SECTION, UH, CAPTAIN BURNS, BUT MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF KNOWING WHO ALL THE INVESTIGATIVE AGENCIES ARE AND ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF RUNNING, UM, THESE TWO INVESTIGATIONS, THE ADMIN AND THE CRIMINAL CONCURRENTLY.
SO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU REALLY WANT TO CONSIDER.
UM, AT ONE POINT OUR ORGANIZATION WAS, UH, INVESTIGATING THE CRIMINAL INCIDENT, THE CRIMINAL SIDE OF AN INCIDENT AND DOING THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION SOMETIME AFTER, WHICH CAN SOMETIMES TAKE UP TO A YEAR OR TWO.
SO WHEN YOU ARE COMPLETING YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATIONS, THERE MAY BE INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN DISCOVER, UM, LET'S SAY COMPELLED INFORMATION THAT CANNOT BE USED AGAINST AN OFFICER IN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS WILL BE ONE EXTREME EXAMPLE.
WHILE THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IS GOING ON, YOU MAY HAVE AN OFFICER THAT DECIDES NOT TO GIVE A CRIMINAL STATEMENT, RIGHT? AND THROUGH THE COURTS OR WHATEVER THAT INVESTIGATION DETERMINES THAT THAT OFFICER MAY NOT BE CRIMINALLY LIABLE OR FACE CHARGES.
UM, HOWEVER, IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATEMENT OR THE REVIEW OF COMPELLED INFORMATION, YOU MAY FIND, UM, A RACIST BACKGROUND.
YOU MAY FIND, UM, UH, RACIST TYPE COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARD A CERTAIN GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS.
SO WHILE YOU HAVE THIS IN THIS CERTAIN OFFICER WITH THIS TYPE OF MENTALITY OR BEN, UH, BACKGROUND WHO'S GONE THROUGH A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, WHO'S BEEN EMPLOYED FOR A YEAR OR TWO, AND YOU FIND OUT INFORMATION ON THE BACK END AND THEN THIS BECOMES KNOWN, UM, TO THE PUBLIC FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO YOU PREVENT YOUR ORGANIZATION FROM LIABILITY AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE.
WELL, UM, YOU HAD AN OFFICER, UH, THAT YOU'VE BEEN KNEW WAS EXHIBITING THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR.
SO YOU CAN FIND OUT INFORMATION ON THE FRONT END A LOT SOONER BY HAVING YOUR CRIMINAL IN YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION RUN CONCURRENTLY, ESPECIALLY WITH, UH, COMPELLED INFORMATION
SO I'M GONNA PAUSE RIGHT THERE JUST TO SEE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW, UM, BEFORE WHEN WE CHIEF HALL WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING DOING THIS, WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDERING RUNNING THEM TOGETHER, I THINK, UH, CHIEF GARCIA UM, IS MORE HESITANT ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT I WANNA SEE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT'S JUST WHAT CAPTAIN SAID THIS COULD TAKE FOR A YEAR.
CUZ YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
SO RIGHT NOW A SHOOTING HAPPENS OR A DEATH IN CUSTODY OR CRITICAL INCIDENT, S I U AND OTHER AGENCIES PACKAGE IT UP AND SEND IT OFF TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY OFFICE ROCK WORKS IT THROUGH THEIR CHAIN.
SO IT MIGHT GO IN FRONT OF THE GRAND JURY AND IN FACT THIS DA PUTS EVERY SHOOTING IN FRONT OF THE GRAND JURY AT THE DEATH IN CUSTODY.
SO YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT TO GO THROUGH.
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SOME CHANCES IS TRUE, BILL, THEY ACTUALLY GET INDICTED, THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE ENTIRE TRIAL PLEA ALL OF THAT TO HAPPEN.AND THEN THE CASE COMES BACK INTO THE DEPARTMENT FOR I A D TO INVESTIGATE.
AND SO IT'S MORE KINDA LINEAR VERSUS CONCURRENT.
AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS.
BUT I WANNA JUST PAUSE CUZ THAT'S SUCH A HUGE RECOMMENDATION CUZ THAT WOULD REALLY CHANGE HOW THEY WORK TO SEE IF PEOPLE HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
I I I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THEN I'LL OPEN UP TO THE BOARD.
SO CURRENTLY THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION HAPPENS AFTER THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AT TRIAL.
DOES, DOES IS IF IF THERE IS AN APPEAL, DOES THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVEST HAVE TO WAIT ON THE APPEAL OR DOES THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION GET TO, TO HAPPEN WHILE THE APPEAL IS GOING ON? IF THE, IF THERE'S A, UH, A GUILTY VERDICT.
OKAY, I'M GONNA ASK, UM, LIEUTENANT GREER EITHER LIEUTENANT HOYER TO ANSWER THAT.
I KNOW THE ANSWER TO IT, BUT I THINK IT'D BE FAIR TO HAVE I E D RESPOND.
THEY DON'T, YOU DON'T NORMALLY HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE APPEAL.
YOU CAN, ONCE THE CRIMINAL CASE IS CONCLUDED FROM THE GUILT INNOCENCE PHASE, UM, THEY CAN USUALLY START THEIR WORK.
WHAT IF THERE'S A CIVIL, UH, WHAT IF THERE'S A CIVIL LAWSUIT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I WILL DEFINITELY COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND, AND THEN I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION IS CAUSE THE FACT THAT IF I CAN INTERJECT REAL QUICK HERE, HERE IS WHY THAT BECOMES IMPORTANT.
SO JUST SAY ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE THAT OFFICER IS EXONERATED OR FOUND GUILTY OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? AND JUST HYPOTHETICALLY SAY YOU HAVE A STATEMENT THAT IS MADE WHERE AN OFFICER MAKES AN AD ADMISSION OR IS SECRETLY RECORDED OR IS ACCIDENTALLY CAUGHT ON A BODY-WORN CAMERA, WHAT THIS OFFICER SAYS WHILE I INTENTIONALLY DID WHAT I DID, OR I INTENTIONALLY TARGET THIS PERSON BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE AN OFFICER WHO'S EMPLOYED FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS BEING PAID AFTER THE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE CRIMINAL CASE.
AND YOU CAN KNOW THIS INFORMATION MUCH SOONER ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASE AND YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH SOME OF THE DISCIPLINARY MEASURES THAT I HEARD EARLIER UP TO TERMINATION WHILE YOU WAIT ON THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASE GOING AS AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CRIMINAL CASE.
I, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT.
DOES ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST HAVE ONE.
YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ACTUALLY ON WHAT WAS JUST SAID TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE TIMING OF THE PROCESS.
SO AN OFFICER IS NOT EVER PUT ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE WITHOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW HAPPENING, EVEN THOUGH THE CRIMINAL CASE IS PENDING.
LIKE WOULDN'T THE CRIMINAL CASE BE EVIDENCE ENOUGH TO PUT AN OFFICER ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE? NO, WE'RE NOT SAYING THE OFFICERS DON'T GO ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE.
WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT IF YOU HAVE AN OFFICER ON, WELL, LET ME GO, LET ME LET CAPTAIN GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHILE YOU ARE ON ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE OR ANOTHER TERM WE USE REASSIGNED PENDING A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, YOU'RE STILL BEING PAID, YOU'RE STILL BE BEING GIVEN FULL BENEFITS.
AND IF YOU'RE FOUND, UH, NOT GUILTY, MOST CASES YOU RETURN BACK TO WORK.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON, EVEN DEPENDING ON YOUR AGENCY SUCH, SUCH AS A SHOOTING, UM, NOT ALL AGENCIES KEEP THEIR OFFICERS REASSIGNED UNTIL IT'S CONCLUDED IN CRIMINAL COURT.
SO THAT, THAT VARIES FROM AGENCY TO AGENCY.
SO JUST IMAGINE IF THERE'S AN AGENCY THAT GIVES AN OFFICER SAY, ONE WEEK, ONE WEEK OFF, AND THEN YOU RETURN BACK TO WORK.
AND THEN THERE'S THIS INFORMATION, THIS ADMINISTRATIVE COMPELLED INFORMATION THAT'S LINGERING OUT THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BAD OFFICER THAT INTENTIONALLY TARGETS A CERTAIN GROUP, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT OFFICER, DEPENDING ON THAT AGENCY CONTINUE, COULD CONTINUE TO WORK VERSUS IF YOU GET YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION GOING, SET TIMELINES, WE HAVE 60 DAYS AND UP TO 120 DAYS, YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO KNOW THOSE PATTERNS.
YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THAT OFFICER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE VERSUS WAITING YEARS.
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JUST JUST HAVE ONE OBSERVATION.I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HESITANCY IS AND I'D SURE LIKE TO HEAR THAT WITH A LOT OF THESE THINGS QUESTIONS.
AND IT SHOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE ANSWERS TO 'EM.
AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE THAT IS THE, THIS IS THE, THE FIRST PART OF, OF THE REVIEW AND, UH, DIRECTLY, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, BUT THE SECOND PART IS GOING TO INVOLVE, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SUBMIT SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THIS, TO THE, TO THE, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL TO RESPOND.
SO LIKE I SAID, THE REASON I WANTED TO DO IT THIS WAY WAS BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ALL ARE GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS.
SO I WANTED TO PACKAGE ALL THE QUESTIONS UP INSTEAD OF SENDING OUR QUESTIONS.
THEN HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS GO SEPARATELY.
SO ASK ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE ARE GONNA PACKAGE THEM UP AND SEND THEM TO D P D TO GET RESPONSES AND COMMENT.
I I'M NOT AN AN ATTORNEY BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BUT IT WOULD
THAT THE POLICE LEARNED SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD, THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE OFFICER BEING LET GO.
BUT THE CRIMINAL CASE IS STILL ONGOING.
I WOULD, IMA AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE THE LAW REGARDING ALL THAT, BUT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY SEEM TO OPEN UP SOME ISSUES WITH LETTING AN OFFICER GO DURING THE MIDDLE OF A CRIMINAL CASE BASED ON COMPELLED TESTIMONY THEY WERE FORCED TO GIVE BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE CASE THAT'S BEING GOING, THAT'S ONGOING AT THE SAME TIME AS THE CRIMINAL CASE.
AND YOU END UP SETTING UP A SERIES OF SITUATIONS WHERE, WELL, WE CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WHY WE LET HIM GO, BUT WE LET 'EM GO IN THE MIDDLE OF A CRIMINAL TRIAL BASED ON COMPELLED TESTIMONY THAT WE CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE COMPELLED OR THAT WE GOT.
AND SO, I, I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE THE LEGAL ASPECT OF THAT, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IS IT, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, FRUIT OF THE POISONOUS TREE OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT LEGAL SAYING, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME, SOME ISSUES WITH THAT PROCESS.
SO LET ME SAY THIS AND THEN CAPTAIN, I'D LOVE FOR YOU TO JUMP IN.
SO OFFICERS CAN BE LE SO A CRIMINAL CASE, RIGHT? FOR ANYBODY THAT DOESN'T KNOW IS BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, RIGHT? YOU, YOU HAVE TO GO BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATIVE, IT'S JUST PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE.
SO TECHNICALLY OF DEPARTMENT, IF THEY HAVE A PREPON, PREPONDERANCE COULD LET THE OFFICER GO.
SO IT'S NOT THE SAME STANDARD IN TERMS OF, UM, CONDUCT.
BUT CAPTAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.
WELL, IN A CRIMINAL CASE, UM, AN OFFICER MAY BE FOUND GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO THE BEST EXAMPLE THAT I ALWAYS GIVE IS A DOMESTIC INCIDENT.
A A POLICE OFFICER MAY RESPOND TO A DOMESTIC INCIDENT WHERE A WOMAN IS BEATEN, THERE'S EVIDENCE THAT SHE'S BEATEN, UM, HER EYES ARE BLACK AND THERE'S INJURIES, BUT WHEN IT'S TIME TO GO TO COURT, SHE DOESN'T SHOW UP AND DECIDES TO NOT PRESS CHARGES ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE.
BUT DOES THAT LEAVE THE OFFICER NOT LIABLE ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE? SO THE AGENCY STILL HAS TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO JUST BECAUSE HE'S, UH, NOT GUILTY OR THE CASE IS THROWN OUT BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, UH, THE VICTIM DOESN'T SHOW TO COURT FOR PROSECUTION, DOESN'T ALLEVIATE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
SO IF YOU HAD INFORMATION BEFOREHAND ABOUT A BAD APPLE, WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO KNOW SOONER? THAT WOULD BE MY LOGIC.
I WOULD WANT TO KNOW SOONER AS AN AGENCY RATHER THAN HAVING THIS OFFICER EMPLOYED, UH, BEYOND A REASONABLE TIME.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA VARY FROM AGENCY TO AGENCY.
I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION A LITTLE MORE BROADLY.
UM, DIRECTOR MCCLEARY, WERE YOU GOING TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THE PARALLEL TRACK OF THESE THINGS? OR WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS THERE? WE HAD INITIAL CONVERSATIONS THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS INVOLVED IN, AND A LOT OF THE, THE CONCERN I GOT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT'S BECAUSE THEY'VE NEVER DONE IT THIS WAY.
AND SO IT WAS KIND OF LIKE ALMOST, IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.
BUT I THINK IN FAIRNESS, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE SENSE TO HAVE MAYBE EVEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALSO WEIGH IN ON THIS, BECAUSE WE DID DO A REVIEW WHERE
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WE INVITED SEVERAL AGENCIES, UM, BUT THIS WAS ALL ON THE CHIEF HALL, SO IT WOULD BE FAIR TO GIVE, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEYS A NEW LOOK AT THIS.UM, AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY CHIEF GARCIA, UH, A LOOK AT THIS TO GIVE A FORMAL RESPONSE.
SO IT HAD, I HAD DONE THAT BEFORE, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER SANFORD, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO SEND THIS TO THEM AGAIN TO SEE IF THEY CAN ACTUALLY, UH, PUT IN WRITING WHAT THE CONCERN WOULD BE.
BUT WE HAD, HAD, WE HAD VISITS WITH SEVERAL AGENCIES AT THAT TIME WHEN THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING THE POLICY THAT DID IT THIS WAY.
UM, AND SO I KNOW THERE WAS A THOUGHT ON THE CHIEF HALL, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE NOW HAVE CHIEF GARCIA, SO I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO SEND IT BY CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AGAIN AS WELL.
UM, I I I KEEP HEARING, UM, THE PREVIOUS POLICE CHIEF'S NAME BEING BROUGHT INTO THIS.
ARE WE TRYING TO, RIGHT OR WRONG THAT OCCURRED UNDER THE PREVIOUS POLICE CHIEF MS. MCCLEARY? I'M NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, I, I JUST KEEP HEARING, UH, THE, THE FORMER POLICE CHIEF'S NAME BEING BROUGHT INTO THIS ABOUT WAS SOMETHING NOT DONE CORRECTLY UNDER THE PREVIOUS POLICE CHIEF? OH, I, I, I KNOW WHAT, WHAT, UM, VICE CHAIRS IS ASKED MR. VICE CHAIR, THE, THE REASON WHY, UH, DIRECTOR MCCLEARY, UH, HAS BEEN FRAMED THEIR ANSWERS THAT'S WAY, IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU REMEMBER WE MADE THE MOTION FOR THIS REVIEW UNDER CHIEF HALL, AND SO SHE STARTED IT UNDER CHIEF HALL, UM, AND THEN, UH, NEW CHIEF CAME IN AND SO SHE STOPPED THE INVESTIGATION TO GIVE CHIEF GARCIA TIME TO REVIEW HIS POLICIES, DETERMINED IF HE WANTED TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, AND NOW SHE'S PICKED BACK UP THAT INVESTIGATION, SO, RIGHT.
THAT MAKES THAT, OKAY, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MEAN, I, I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN, IN LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT, UM, BETWEEN THE, THE TWO POLICE CHIEFS, RIGHT? SO AT LEAST THAT'S A, THAT'S A PERCEPTION THAT I HAVE IN ANY CASE, AND I'LL LET EVERYONE ELSE MAKE THEIR OWN.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF HAS BEEN SAYING IS THAT, UM, HE DOESN'T ENJOY ONE MINUTE OF COMING IN AND HOLDING HIS OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE, BUT HE WILL DO IT.
AND HE HAS PROVEN THAT HE WILL DO IT.
SO ARE WE, ARE WE TR I MEAN, WHAT IS THE POINT OF PUSHING THIS, UM, WITH THE NEW POLICE CHIEF WHO HAS SHOWN A PROPENSITY FOR HOLDING HIS OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE AS WE ALL WANT AND AS WE ALL DESERVE? UM, SO I, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND SECOND, I MEAN, IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, I MEAN, I, I GUESS WE CAN, I MEAN, WE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS LONGER, BUT IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS GOING TO CHANGE POLICY WITH THE POLICE CHIEF, SHOULDN'T IT BE, SHOULDN'T THIS BOARD HAVE COMPLETE AND TOTAL BUY-IN ON THAT? WELL, SO THIS REVIEW WAS VOTED ON BY THE BOARD.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE START, THIS IS THE START OF THE REVIEW, MEANING THIS IS THE FIRST PART OF IT, MEANING THAT, THAT NEXT, UH, UM, THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED.
SOME OF THESE CHANGES WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO GET MORE BUY-IN AS WELL AS TO KIND OF FLESH IT OUT.
THIS IS STILL KIND OF A SKELETON.
THIS IS KIND OF A DRAFT ALSO TO GET THE CITY ATTORNEYS, UM, UM, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AS WELL.
AND THEN ONCE THEY'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY'VE DISCUSSED IT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, UH, THEY'VE KIND OF COME UP WITH A FINALIZED DRAFT, THEN SHE'LL BRING THAT FINALIZED DRAFT TO THE BOARD FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW, UH, MOST LIKELY TO GO TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE AT THAT POINT FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO REVIEW IT, TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE.
AND THEN THE LAST STOP WILL BE THAT FINAL DRAFT COMING TO THE BOARD FOR THE BOARD TO, TO REVIEW AND VOTE ON.
I JUST WANT TO, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE NOT HOLDING, UM, OR THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, IMPOSING THINGS ON THIS NEW POLICE CHIEF.
HE'S BEEN, HE'S BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS NOW, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
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I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THAT, THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE ON BOARD WITH THIS AS, AS A BOARD AS A WHOLE, BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE, UM, HELD AND NOT ONLY NOT HELD RESPONSIBLE, BUT WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, TAKING, UM, THE HEAT, UM, FROM RESIDENTS ON, ON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, UM, THE REASONS FOR DOING THIS.UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST NOT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT A PREVIOUS POLICE CHIEF DID OR DIDN'T DO, AND NOW WE'RE, NOW WE'RE GOING TO PAINT THE NEW POLICE CHIEF WITH, WITH THAT BRUSH AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S COME, HE'S COME OUT HERE, HE'S SHOWN, UH, HE'S SHOWN THAT HE'S BEEN A, UH, UH, HOLDING HIS, UH, OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE AND I, AND, UM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT IT MAKES IT, UH, IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER MOVING FORWARD ON IT.
UM, BUT IT, IT, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY THIS WAS COMING UP AGAIN.
UM, BUT IT MAKES SENSE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WAS VOTED ON UNDER THE PREVIOUS, UH, WHEN THE PREVIOUS POLICE CHIEF WAS HERE.
UM, WE JUST NEED TO REALLY DECIDE WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE, IS THAT SOMETHING WORTH THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO? WELL, I, AS, AS YOU KNOW, ONE AGAIN, THE BOARD VOTED ON IT, MEANING THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT, IT, IT MUST BE COMPLETED.
NOW, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT AN INDICTMENT OF KEITH GARCIA.
THIS IS NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT OFFICER DISCIPLINE.
THIS IS TALKING ABOUT, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE, WE ARE TASKED WITH IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND MAKING REVISIONS WHERE NECESSARY.
AND THIS IS A PART OF OUR MANDATE IS TO REVIEW POLICIES AND TO DETERMINE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME, SOME TWEAKS OF THOSE POL POLICIES.
SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS FOR THE VICE CHAIR AND ALSO THE REST OF THE BOARD, I'M JUST GIVING YOU SOME HISTORY ABOUT WHEN I FIRST STARTED THIS, WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS FROM CHIEF HALL.
I THINK I HAVE SAID SEVERAL TIMES THAT WE'RE GONNA SEND ALL THESE OVER TO GET A RESPONSE FROM CHIEF GARCIA, BUT ALSO THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THINGS CHANGE EVERY TIME THERE'S A POLICE CHIEF.
THE POLICY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU ALL WE THINK SHOULD BE DONE UNDER ANY CHIEF, WHETHER IT BE CHIEF HALL, CHIEF GARCIA, CHIEF JOSE, WHO, WHOEVER YOU'VE ASKED US TO REVIEW THESE POLICIES AND TO BRING YOU OUR RECOMMENDATIONS IN TERMS OF 21ST CENTURY POLICING, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALL WILL TAKE THESE ONE BY ONE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, DIRECTOR, WE AGREE OR WE DON'T AGREE, BUT YOU'VE ASKED ME TO RESEARCH IT AND ALL I'M DOING IS BRINGING YOU WHAT WE FEEL IS 21ST CENTURY POLICING.
YOU ALL MAY SAY, THAT'S GREAT, BUT WE DON'T THINK THAT FITS WITH DALLAS.
WE DON'T THINK THAT DOES WHATEVER.
SO VICE CHAIR, WHEN I'M MENTIONING CHIEF HALL, IT IS BECAUSE OF THE CHAIR, BECAUSE IT STARTED UNDER HER.
SO I'M JUST GIVING YOU GUYS SOME RESPONSES, BUT I AGREE WE HAVE TO ALLOW CHIEF GARCIA A CHANCE TO, TO GIVE HIS RESPONSES FORMALLY SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN SEE HIS THINKING AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS AS A BOARD.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST KIND OF YOUR FOOT SOLDIER.
YOU ASKED ME TO RESEARCH AND I'M BRINGING YOU BACK WHAT I THINK IS THE BEST.
AND YOU ALL CAN AGREE OR DISAGREE.
NO, I, IT, IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE.
UM, I, I THINK I'M FULLY TRACKING ON THIS DEAL NOW, SO I APPRECIATE, I APPRECIATE THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? SO THE NEXT PART OF THAT, THE B IS JUST REALLY SIMPLE.
THERE'S A PLACE IN THIS PARAGRAPH WHERE MENTIONED SWORN AND NON-SWORN.
UM, AND SO THE PARAGRAPH, THE LANGUAGE JUST DOESN'T MATCH.
SO THAT'S A, LITERALLY, IT'S PROBABLY LIKE A TYPO THAT WE'RE JUST SAYING.
THEY SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE THE LANGUAGE MATCH IN THAT SECTION.
UM, CAPTAIN, YOU WANNA DO SECTION THREE, 17.01? I MIGHT HAVE LOST THE, I SEE CAPTAIN BURNS, IF YOU CAN TURN YOUR CAMERA BACK ON, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING.
IF HE COMES BACK ON, HE CAN JUMP IN.
SO SECTION THREE 17.01, UH, WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO TALK ABOUT, UM, FORCE AGAINST
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SOMEONE IN HANDCUFFS.UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE SERIOUS INCIDENTS, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING AND CRITICAL INCIDENTS THAT THERE MIGHT BE, UM, CONSIDERATION ABOUT USING LANGUAGE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH FORCE AGAINST, UM, SOMEONE THAT'S IN HANDCUFFS.
UM, ALSO THE POLICY SHOULD MENTION IN THE OFFICER AND THE SUPERVISOR RESPONSIBILITY SECTIONS WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO DEACTIVATE OR NOT DEACTIVATE THE BODY-WORN CAMERA.
AND THIS IS WHERE THIS, THERE IS A POLICY ON BODY-WORN CAMERA THAT'S SEPARATE, AND IT DOES TALK ABOUT WHEN OFFICERS CAN, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT'S DUPLICATIVE, ADD THOSE SECTIONS EVERYWHERE.
SO WE'RE SAYING HERE, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE POLICY, BUT YOU SHOULD PUT IT IN THIS SECTION, UM, SO THAT ANYBODY READING THIS SECTION ALSO KNOWS WHEN THEY SHOULD CUT IT ON AND CUT IT OFF.
SO THE POLICY EXISTS, BUT WE'RE JUST SAYING IT SHOULD BE PUT INTO THIS SECTION SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP SEARCHING ALL THE GENERAL ORDERS TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.
AND THEN WE HAD SOME QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW THE AGENCY MAKES A DETERMINATION FROM THE SCENE THAT THERE'S NO CRIMINAL CULPABILITY.
AND THAT'S, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SECTION 3.01, IT IMPLIES THAT, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY YOU'RE THERE AND, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN STEPS THAT IT SAYS IT WILL TAKE OR NOT TAKE IF THERE'S CRIMINAL CULPABILITY.
AND WE'RE SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE LITERALLY RIGHT THERE AT THE SCENE, JUST HOURS AFTER SOMETHING HAPPENED, DO WE KNOW THAT? DO, ARE YOU ABLE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE IF THERE WAS CRIMINAL CULPABILITY? AND SO, UM, WE WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT MORE OR TEASE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, BECAUSE IF PEOPLE ARE GETTING, GETTING THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY'RE MAKING THESE DETERMINATIONS, LIKE RIGHT IN THE MOMENT WHEN THINGS ARE HAPPENING, THAT COULD OPEN THE DEPO DEPARTMENT UP TO, UM, LIABILITY.
AND SO WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY PROBABLY WANT TO, AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN LAWSUITS COME UP, FOR EXAMPLE, AND PEOPLE SAY, SO YOU JUST MADE A DETERMINATION AT THE SCENE WHETHER THIS OFFICER COMMITTED THE CRIME OR NOT, OR WHAT THE CRIMINAL CULPABILITY WAS, SO THAT THEY EITHER WANT TO TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE, UM, OR JUST EXPAND ON IT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY MEAN BY THAT.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THAT ONE? I CAPTAIN? ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD? CAPTAIN, YOU WANNA DO THREE 17.02
UM, I LOST MY CONNECTION FOR A SECOND.
UM, SO THROUGHOUT THIS POLICY, IT TALKS ABOUT A LOT OF DEBRIEFING AND INTERVIEWS AND WRITTEN STATEMENTS.
UM, I THINK THAT THE POLICY SHOULD ONLY LIMIT QUESTIONS TO A CERTAIN, A CERTAIN SET OF QUESTIONS.
SO AGAIN, UM, THIS IS STILL A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AND JUST LIKE A CITIZEN, AN OFFICER SHOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS UNDER A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
UM, SO AS A PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICER, OR AS PART OF YOUR YOUR JOB DUTY, THERE SHOULD ONLY BE A SPECIFIC SET OF QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IS THE SUSPECT STILL AT LARGE WHO'S INJURED? WHERE IS OUR CRIME SCENE? THE NUMBER OF SHOTS FIRED? AND THAT SHOULD BE THE EXTENT OF IT, BUT GETTING INTO THE, THE DETAILS ON WHY YOU, UM, CHOSE TO, UH, USE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FORCE OR FIRE, YOUR WEAPON SHOULD BE PROHIBITED.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF THIS IS IN POLICY OR NOT, BUT IT SHOULD BE SPELLED OUT IN POLICY.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE RESPONDENT SUPERVISOR, YOU HAVE THE S I U UNIT, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO, TO WRITE.
AND IF I WERE IN THAT SITUATION, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GONNA WANNA RELY ON, UH, SOMEONE ELSE TRANSCRIBING MY STATEMENT OR, YOU KNOW, MISCONSTRUING WHAT I'M S WHAT I'M SAYING, AND TRANSFERRING THAT TO A REPORT.
SO I THINK IT, IT PROTECTS THE OFFICER WHO'S GONNA BE UNDER A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
AND I SHOULD SAY, ONCE AGAIN, REMEMBER ONE OF OUR JOBS IS THE, I ALWAYS SAY IT'S TO ALSO DO RISK ASSESSMENT FOR THE CITY.
SO IN PRACTICE, DOES THIS HAPPEN WHERE THEY'RE LIKE ASKING ALL THESE THINGS? THAT HASN'T BEEN MY EXPERIENCE, BUT IF YOU READ THE POLICY, IT SEEMS TO IMPLY THAT THEY'RE COMPELLING OFFICERS TO COME IN AND GIVE SOME KIND OF WRITTEN STATEMENT OR A VERBAL STATEMENT WHERE THE ONLY COMPELLED STATEMENT AN OFFICER HAS TO GIVE IS IN AN ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT LANGUAGE, POTENTIAL PLACES WHERE THERE COULD BE SOME CONCERN OR ET CETERA ABOUT, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE POLICY IS SAYING.
UM, AND SO FOR THEM TO JUST EITHER TWEAK IT OR TAKE IT OUT OR EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BIT MORE SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T FEEL THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS COMPELLING OFFICERS TO COME IN ON THE CRIMINAL SIDE TO GIVE STATEMENTS AND WRITTEN STATEMENTS, VERBAL OR WRITTEN STATEMENTS.
AND SO SECTION THREE, UM, 17.3, UM, THIS IS THE, WE JUST ALSO HAD, UM,
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WE JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT IS THE WALKTHROUGH BY THE CRIMINAL OR THE ADMINISTRATIVE BODY? JUST BEING CLEAR ON THAT, I MEAN, HOW IT WORKS ON THE SCENE IS THAT BOTH I A D AND S I U ARE OUT THERE, ARE WALKED DURING THE WALKTHROUGH, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR, IT'S NOT CLEAR, UH, IN THE POLICY.UM, AND IT'S, AND THIS IS THE SAME THING THAT CAPTAIN WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS DOES THAT, UM, WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS ARE THEY ASKING? SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN BY THE WALKTHROUGH? AND IT PRETTY MUCH IS WHAT CAPTAIN JUST EXPLAINED.
JUST, YOU KNOW, TELL US HOW MANY SUSPECTS THERE WERE, HOW MANY BULLETS WERE FIRED, THAT TYPE OF THING IS, I, I DON'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
AND SO, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY THE PROCESS IS RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE WAY THIS POLICY IS WRITTEN.
SO IN ORDER FOR THESE TO MAKE SENSE TO CHANGE, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO GET THE FIRST PORTION OF IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT SHOULD THE CRIMINAL AND ADMINISTRATOR BE RUN AT THE SAME TIME, THEN YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND MAKE THESE CHANGES AS ARE ARE, I WOULD ASSUME YES, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE THOSE IN CONJUNCTION.
SO THESE, THESE WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY IF CHIEF GARCIA DOES NOT WANT TO MAKE THOSE RUN CONCURRENT? NO, THEY WOULD BE NECESSARY.
THIS IS A, POTENTIALLY, THIS IS ABOUT THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT ON A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, OFFICERS CANNOT, OFFICERS SHOULD NOT BE COMPELLED AND OFFICERS JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, WHEN YOU COME, IF I GET ARRESTED FOR A CRIME, THEY SAY YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
THEY GIVE ME MY MIRANDA RIGHTS OFFICERS HAVE THE VERY SAME THING.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GIVE A STATEMENT.
AND THE WAY THE POLICY READS IT SAYS THE OFFICERS WILL COME DOWN AND GIVE A WRITTEN OR A VERBAL STATEMENT.
SO IT MAKES IT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE COMPELLING THEM, UM, WHEN THE COMPELLED STATEMENT CAN ONLY BE IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR QUESTION ABOUT WAS THERE A CON YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE POTENTIAL, A CONFLICT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, IF IT FEELS LIKE THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEING COMPELLED AT THIS STAGE OF THE INVESTIGATION.
UM, SECTION THREE 17.04, UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHY LEGAL COUNSEL, WHY, UM, WITNESS OFFICERS DON'T HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A QUESTION.
WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT IT READS AS IF, UM, WITNESS OFFICERS DO NOT, ARE NOT AFFORDED COUNSEL.
AND SO JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, WITNESS OFFICERS ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY DID THE INCIDENT, IT'S JUST WHAT THEY SAID, THEY WITNESSED IT.
SO THAT'S JUST A QUESTION FOR D P D, LIKE WHY, WHY IN THE POLICY DOES IT SEEM THAT THE WITNESS OFFICER OFFICERS ARE NOT AFFORDED LEGAL COUNSEL? AND UM, THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION IN SECTION C OF THAT ABOUT IF AN OFFICER REFUSES WHAT HAPPENS IF THE OFFICER REFUSES TO GIVE A BLOOD SAMPLE, RIGHT? ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE CRIMINAL SIDE.
IF THEY DON'T GIVE IT TO YOU, UM, IS IT COMPELLED, ARE YOU COMPELLING THEM? ARE YOU JUST VOLUNTARILY ASKING THEM TO COME DOWN? AND IF SO, OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE THEY COULD POTENTIALLY DO LIKE A URINALYSIS? SO THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS CUZ ALL OF THEM COULD BE ANSWERED IN THESE QUESTIONS, BUT WE JUST POINTED OUT SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD, UM, ABOUT THAT.
AND CAPTAIN, DO YOU WANNA JUST DO THE LAST 2 0 5 AND OH EIGHT? SURE.
YEAH, SO THIS IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, UM, ABOUT THE FINDINGS OF THE CRIMINAL, THE CORRECTION, THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
SO ONCE IT'S CONCLUDED, UM, IS THERE SOME TYPE OF REVIEW BOARD? SO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, A DETERMINATION ON A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION IS GONNA BE MADE IN COURT BEFORE A POLICE SHOOTING.
ONCE IT GOES ADMINISTRATIVE, WHO CONDUCTS THE REVIEW OF THAT ADMINISTRATIVE CASE AND DETERMINES THE OUTCOME? IS IT SOME TYPE OF USE OF FORCE REVIEW BOARD? IS IT DONE BY THE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE OR HIS DEPUTY CHIEFS OR, OR THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS UNIT? SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SPELLED OUT AND IT SHOULD CONSIST OF A BOARD, UH, UH, A PANEL THAT CONSISTS OF DIFFERENT EXPERTS FROM THE ACADEMY THAT ADDRESSES TRAINING POLICY REVIEW.
UM, IF THERE'S ANY WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE OUR AGENCY IS THERE'S, UM, AVENUES FOR US TO AVOID LIABILITY IN THE FUTURE.
SO IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED OUTSIDE OF JUST THE USE OF FORCE, IF IT WAS JUSTIFIABLE OR NOT.
THIS IS ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, TALK ABOUT WAYS TO IMPROVE YOUR, YOUR ORGANIZATION, UM, IMPROVE YOUR TRAINING METHODS, UM, HOW YOU APPLY FORCE AND SO ON.
UM, SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF BOARD THAT RULES ON THE USE OF FORCE IN THE SHOOTING OR THE APPLICATION
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OF FORCE IN THE SHOOTING, AND CAN THAT BOARD MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.UM, AND, AND LASTLY, I KNOW, UM, TANYA, YOUR OFFICE GOES OUT ON A LOT OF THE CRITICAL INCIDENTS.
UM, I THINK SOME RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE MADE RATHER THAN RELYING ON THE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE THE NOTIFICATIONS TO YOUR OFFICE.
I BELIEVE COMMUNICATIONS SHOULD BE MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION DIRECTLY TO YOU AFTER THE NECESSARY NOTIFICATIONS ARE ARE MADE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, PHONE CALLS ARE MADE TO THE CHIEF AND THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, AND THEY'RE NOTIFIED IMMEDIATELY.
AND SO, AS I UNDERSTAND, YOUR OFFICE MAY NOT BE NOTIFIED MAYBE UNTIL AN HOUR OR TWO IN, SO IF YOUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY IS OVERSIGHT, YOU WANT TO HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT FROM THE VERY BEGINNING RATHER THAN ON A TAIL END.
SO I THINK, UM, THE DISPATCHER RESPONSIBILITIES FURTHER, UH, IN THE BEGINNING OF THE, THE POLICIES 3 17 0 2, YOU SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT, UH, NOTIFICATION.
AND FINALLY, UH, THE STATEMENTS, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A BUNCH OF WRITTEN STATEMENTS, UM, THAT TALKS ABOUT THE, THE OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO GIVE WRITTEN STATEMENTS AT THE END OF A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION.
UM, BUT AGAIN, MY QUESTION WAS, IS THIS COMPELLED? IS THIS A COMPELLED STATEMENT OR NOT? UM, SO IF AN OFFICER REFUSES A CRIMINAL STATEMENT, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES? SO YOU HAVE TO, THAT'S AGAIN, WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A CRIMINAL STATEMENT AND ADMINISTRATIVE STATEMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AGAIN, AS, UH, MS. MCCLEARY EXPLAINED, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT.
YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE A STATEMENT UNDER A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, BUT ANYTHING ADMINISTRATIVE YOU ARE REQUIRED.
AND AS FAR AS OUR POLICY IS IN MOST OTHER POLICIES, UM, OF, OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS, IF YOU REFUSE CORRECTION, IF YOU, UM, REFUSE THAT IN ADMINISTRATIVE STATEMENT OR THAT COMPELLED STATEMENT, YOU, YOU COULD BE LIABLE UP TO TERMINATION.
AND THEN WE JUST HAD A FEW CATCHALL QUESTIONS THERE.
ADDITIONAL ONES ABOUT IS THERE A SEPARATE USE OF FORCE REPORT? SO NORMALLY, UM, DALLAS D P D COUNT CALLS IT, UM, RESPONSE TO RESISTANCE.
AND SO IS THERE A SEPARATE REPORT JUST ON THE USE OF FORCE OR IS IT ALL INCLUDED IN S SI'S INVESTIGATION? AND ALSO WHO MAKES THAT FINAL DETERMINATION, WHETHER IT WAS, UM, JUSTIFIED OR NOT.
IS THAT DETERMINED BY S I U AND THE CRIMINAL, OR IS THAT DETERMINED BY I E D AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE? AND SO WHO OR WHO IS ACTUALLY MAKING THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE SHOOTING WAS JUSTIFIED? SO THAT IS OUR REVIEW SO FAR, AND I THINK THAT THAT I, THE I A UNDER OH EIGHT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
UM, IN THE JURISDICTION WHERE I WAS BEFORE, WE LIKE LITERALLY THE DISPATCHERS THEY WOULD CALLING THE CHIEF AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THEY WOULD CALL MY, THEY WOULD CALL ME.
SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER AGENCY.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO CALL ME.
I DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THAT.
I JUST GOT A, I WAS IN LINE, OUR OFFICE WAS IN LINE RIGHT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
THAT DISPATCH WAS CALLED IN TO SAY THERE'S BEEN A SHOOTING OR A CRITICAL INCIDENT.
SO WE WILL, UH, TURN IT BACK TO YOU CHAIR.
UH, THANK YOU DIRECTOR AND THANK YOU, UM, CAPTAIN, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU, UM, ASSISTING DIRECTOR MCCLEARY WITH THIS, UH, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WHAT, WHAT'S OUR PLAN FROM THIS POINT? SO WE'RE GONNA, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE THE KIND OF THE COMMENTARY THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF YOUR DESCRIBING IT.
UM, ARE YOU GONNA MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS? DO YOU WANT TO TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER TO THE CHIEF, GET HIS OPINION, TAKE IT TO THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY, SEE IF THEY HAVE OPINIONS, THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND KIND OF MIX THAT ALL TOGETHER.
OKAY, LET'S, I JUST WANTED, WASN'T SURE WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WERE AND WHAT YOUR PLAN WAS.
YEAH, SO YOU JUST SPELLED IT OUT.
SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M GONNA DO.
I'M GONNA TAKE ALL THE COMMENTS AND ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I GOT TONIGHT.
UM, PUT A PACKET TOGETHER, SEND IT OVER TO THE CHIEF.
I WILL ALSO SEND IT OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE IF ANY OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OR THEY HAVE CONCERN ABOUT OR THEY WANNA MAYBE RECOMMEND SOMETHING ELSE.
I WILL TRY TO GET THAT BACK TO YOU GUYS IN JUNE IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE REST OF THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES.
AND THEN WE'LL DO THAT SAME THING,
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TO YOU GUYS FIRST.GET YOUR COMMENTS AND REFLECTIONS, SEND IT OVER TO THE CHIEF, SEND IT OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
UM, SO I WILL TRY TO GET THAT TO THEM THIS WEEK IN THE HOPES THAT WE CAN GET IT BACK IN TIME FOR, UM, AT LEAST ON THIS FIRST PART, UM, THEIR RESPONSES FOR YOU ALL, HOPEFULLY FOR YOUR JUNE MEETING.
AND THEN WE'LL ALSO BE WORKING ON THAT SECOND PART OF THE USE OF FORCE POLICIES.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS FROM THE BOARD? THANK YOU AGAIN, DIRECTOR, CAPTAIN BURNS.
I, I'M ACTUALLY, I USED TO LIVE IN NEW ORLEANS, MAN.
I USED TO LIVE OUT IN THE EAST OFF OF BULLARD.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW IN LITTLE WOODS.
YEAH, I KNOW THE AREA IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN IT USED TO BE BACK.
I WAS THERE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE LATE NINETIES.
YEAH, IT, THAT'S WHEN IT WAS BEAUTIFUL BACK THEN.
WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PLAZA MALL WAS STILL ON ITS WAY OUT THOUGH, SO IT WAS, YES, SIR.
AND I ALSO DIDN'T GIVE YOU GUYS HIS FULL CREDENTIALS.
SO I TALKED ABOUT HE WORKING, HE'S WORKING FOR AN AGENCY THAT HAS A LOT OF CROWD CONTROL, BUT, UM, CAPTAIN BURNS WAS ACTUALLY OVER THE DEPARTMENT'S USE OF FORCE DIVISION.
SO HE SPENT SO MUCH TIME JUST DOING NOTHING BUT FOCUSING ON USE OF FORCE AND ALSO WITH THE CROWD CONTROL AND ALL THAT.
SO I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HIS FULL CREDENTIAL, NOT THAT HE JUST WORKS FOR THAT DEPARTMENT, BUT THAT, THAT DIVISION WAS UNDER HIS PURVIEW.
AND SO I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A GOOD PERSON TOO.
AND, AND ALSO, UH, THE CONSENT DECREE IS VERY, UH, THE CONSENT DECREE IS A BIG THING WITH OUR ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S LOTS OF, LOTS OF OVER OVERSIGHT, UM, WITH OUR ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW.
AND, UM, MOST OF OUR FOCUS IS ON LIABILITY.
SO IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITIES, UM, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES, THEN I CAN SAVE ORGANIZATION FROM THE TRUSTS THAT WE FOR THE YEARS.
YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS A RESOURCE FOR YOU GUYS, SO THANK YOU.
SO CAPTAIN, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP OFF, YOU CAN, AND YOU CAN STAY IF YOU CAN.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEMS, UH, THREE A REPORT.
APRIL, 2023, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
UM, BRIAN CAIA, O C P O, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS BAILEY, CHAIRMAN.
UM, WE HAD THE MONTH OF APRIL.
THERE WAS ONE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
THIS IS THE THIRD DALLAS POLICE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OF 2023.
AT 9:45 PM DALLAS POLICE RESPONDED TO A SHOOTING CALL.
AND AT 2 2900 BLOCK OF CYPRESS AVENUE, WHEN OFFICERS ARRIVED, THEY LEARNED THAT SUSPECT 20 YEAR OLD BRIAN CASTILLAS, EXCUSE ME,
HE SHOT HIS, HIS MOTHER AND HIS SISTER INSIDE THE HOME.
AFTER BEING CONFRONTED FOR LOUD MUSIC, TWO VICTIMS LOCKED THEMSELVES INSIDE THE ROOM AND CALLED POLICE.
CASILLAS RAN FOR FROM THE SCENE OR MOVED DOWN SOME SENIOR CORPORAL JAY STARTED AND K NINE TRACKER WITH PATROLS OFFICERS AND MADE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE TREES TO A CREEK WHERE THEY FOUND CASTILLAS NEAR A BRIDGE.
AROUND 2:30 AM K NINE OFFICER FIGURE MOVED IN AND ENGAGED.
CASILLOS THEN SHOT AT, AT K NINE FIGURE HITTING HIM ONCE IN THE CHEST DID FIRE THE SENIOR CORPORAL JAY HIT HIM IN THE LEG AND IN THE CHEST.
SENIOR CORPORAL JAY RETURNED FIRE HITTING THE SUSPECT MULTIPLE TIMES.
DI DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE RESPONDED MR. CA, MR. CASILLAS DIED AT THE SCENE.
SENIOR CORPORAL JAY AND OFFICER K NINE FIGURED MADE THEIR WAY OUT OF THE CREEK INTO THE YARD OF A HOME WHERE JAY SECURED FIGURE FROM TO A TREE FOR HIS AND OTHER OFFICER'S SAFETY.
BEFORE I PLAY THE VIDEO, I WILL GIVE YOU OFFICER'S UPDATE.
OFFICER APPLIED WAS APPLIED TO TOURNIQUET AND OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE FIRST AID TO SENIOR CORPORAL J.
SENIOR CORPORAL J WAS TAKEN TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT AND WAS LATER RELEASED FIGURE, UM, PAY NINE FIGURE WAS TAKEN TO A LOCAL EMERGENCY VETERINARY HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT AND RELEASE.
INVESTIGATED BY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIAL INVESTIGATORS UNIT SHARE THE VIDEO.
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THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WAS NOTIFIED IN THE RESPONDENT TO THE SCENE.IN AN EFFORT TO BE TRANSPARENT, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RELEASING THE BODY.
ONE CAMERA FOOTAGE OF THE INCIDENT.
ANYBODY LET GET MY DOG THE SUSPECT DOWN.
WHAT IN GO GO DOWN THERE THROUGH THAT TREE LINE RIGHT THERE.
WHO ARE SCISSORS? SCISSORS, SCISSORS, SCISSORS.
HE, I'M TRYING TO GET TO YOU, MAN.
WE GOT, WE GOTTA TRY TO GET ON.
WHAT TIME? I THINKS GOT CHEST.
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HEY, MAN, WE'RE GONNA YOU UP.UH, THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR MR. WILLIAMS OR DIRECTOR MCCLEARY? WELL, LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY, UM, THAT I ACTUALLY WAS OUT THERE AND, UH, YOUR, UH, DIRECTOR GETS SOME KUDOS CAUSE I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THOUGHT I WASN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT CUZ IT WAS DEEP DOWN IN THE CREEK BED.
SO I WAS LIKE, I CAN GET IN THE MUD.
DON'T THINK THEY'RE LIKE, YOU'RE COMING WITH US, MS. MCCLEARY.
I'M LIKE, I'M COMING WITH YOU.
SO I WAS DOWN THERE IN THE MUD, UM, ET CETERA.
BUT, UM, ON A SERIOUS NOTE, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN, UM, VERY MUCH MORE TRAGIC.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, OUR OFFICE RESPECTS ALL LIFE AND SO, ALTHOUGH AS YOU HEARD, MR. UH, CASTILLO HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SHOOTING HIS OWN MOTHER AND SISTER.
UM, AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY BEING KILLED, BUT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN WORSE.
UM, THE, UM, CANINE OFFICER WAS ACTUALLY SHOT THROUGH THE HEART AND HOW HE SURVIVED, WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE, BUT HE'S GONNA BE OKAY.
AND THEN ALSO THE OFFICER, YOU SAW HIS LEG, BUT IF HE HAD NOT HAD ON THAT BULLETPROOF VEST, HE ACTUALLY GOT SHOT IN THE CHEST AREA AND THE SHOULDER.
SO HE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT.
SO THIS COULD HAVE BEEN, UM, A REALLY, UH, HORRIFIC SCENE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, RESPECT MR. CASTILLO EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ALLEGEDLY INVOLVED IN ALL THESE ACTIVITIES.
UM, AND SO THE OFFICE IS, YOU KNOW, IS PROBABLY GONNA SEND ACCOMMODATION OVER TO, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF FOR THE OFFICER, CANINE OFFICER AS WELL AS UM, SENIOR CORPORAL.
UM, AND THEY ARE RECOVERING AND DOING WELL, UM, FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING, BUT IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN, YOU KNOW, A REALLY BAD SCENE.
AND SO, UM, I JUST WANNA APPRECIATE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OF COURSE THEY HAD A POLICE MEMORIAL, RIGHT? VERY CLOSE TO THIS.
SO THINKING OF ALL THE OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED IN THE LINE OF DUTY.
UM, SO JUST GIVING, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT STILL MAINTAINED DEC QUORUM.
UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN WHAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO OBSERVE SO FAR WHERE THEY POTENTIALLY MIS MISTREATED MR. CASTILLO OR ANYTHING, UM, UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IF I JUST HAVE A, UM, QUESTION, IS THERE A NUMBER HOW OFTEN OFFICERS WEAR THEIR, UM, BULLETPROOF VESTS SHARE? SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME, I'M SORRY.
ARE, ARE THEY COMPELLED OR REQUIRED TO WEAR A BULLETPROOF VEST OR IS THAT OPTIONAL? YOU KNOW, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION AND I WILL, I WANNA GET THE FORMAL ANSWER CUZ I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT IS PART OF THEIR, THEIR UNIFORM WHEN THEY'RE ON PATROL.
AND IN THIS CASE, UH, MR. CASTILLOS HAD FLED THE HOME WHERE HIS MOTHER AND SISTER WERE.
AND SO THE KINE UNIT HAD BEEN CALLED IN.
SO I THINK WHENEVER THEY'RE ON PATROL OR WHEN THEY'VE BEEN CALLED INTO SITUATIONS, UM, THEY HAVE TO WEAR THEM.
BUT THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
IF THEY JUST HAVE MORE, LITERALLY, I THINK THEY LITERALLY HAVE THEM ON LEASE PATROL OFFICERS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE UNITS THAT COME IN, SWAT OR K NINE OR WHATEVER, I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE 'EM ON.
BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION JUST TO GET THE FORMAL RESPONSE.
BUT I THINK ANYTIME THEY'RE GONNA POTENTIALLY ENGAGE THE PUBLIC OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE OR A DIFF A DIFFICULT SITUATION, THEY DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE 'EM ON.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO, UH, BRIEFING ITEM THREE B UPDATE ON THE C P O B ANNUAL REPORT DIRECTOR MCCLEARY.
SO I'M GONNA TRY TO GET THE RE A DRAFT OF THE REPORT DONE.
UM, HOPEFULLY THE WHOLE THING DONE BY THE END OF JUNE.
UM, MY GOAL IS TO, UM, AND SPEAKING OF THAT, I'M GONNA INTRODUCE HOW, HOW I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THIS DONE IN JUST A SECOND.
UM, IS TO, AS I FINISH EACH YEAR, CUZ YOU ALL ARE DOING MULTI-YEAR, SO 2021 AND 22, THAT AS I FINISH EACH YEAR, THAT I WILL SEND IT OVER TO CHAIR MARSHALL AND HIS TEAM TO LOOK AT IT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO SEND IT OUT TO THIS WIDER BODY TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS ON 'EM.
SO THAT AS WE'RE TRYING TO APPROVE IT, GET IT DONE ALL AT ALL IN A SEQUENCE, UM, AND HAVE IT ALL PACKAGED UP AND READY TO GO.
AND SPEAKING OF THAT, I WANT TO ASK IF HE CAN COME FORWARD.
SO WE HAVE A LAW STUDENT WORKING WITH US THIS SUMMER, UH, TRAVIS PETERSON.
SO TRAVIS, IF YOU COULD JUST, UH, COME OVER AND JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELF TO THE BOARD.
HE ACTUALLY FINISHED HIS FINALS TODAY, SO HE IS A TROOPER, LITERALLY.
I WAS LIKE, ARE YOU SURE YOU GONNA BE UP TO COME? LITERALLY, BUT AFTER YOU WASTED, GOT ALL THIS BRAIN POWER GOING, BUT HE LITERALLY JUST FINISHED HIS FINALS TODAY.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST INTRODUCE
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YOURSELF AND TELL THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOU.AND HE'S GONNA BE WITH US FULL-TIME THIS SUMMER.
UM, LIKE DIRECTOR MCCLEARY SAID, MY NAME'S TRAVIS PETERSON.
I'M A STUDENT AT U N T DALLAS.
I DID JUST FINISH, UH, FINALS TODAY.
GOT UP PRETTY EARLY, SO, BUT I, IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE AND I HOPE I'M AN ASSET.
UM, WHAT, WHAT YEAR DO YOU ARE? I JUST FINISHED MY FIRST YEAR AND I'M GONNA BE A RISING TWO L SO WE'LL SEE HOW I DID ON THE FINALS.
THIS IS, I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET ALL THIS DONE.
SO WE, WE GOT A COUPLE OF MORE WORKING HARD.
ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM C REPORT, D P D, MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT, UH, DATA IN YOUR PACKET.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ARREST DATA FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL? ANYONE ON WEBEX? OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON.
NEXT WILL BE TO UPDATE C P O B CARE AND O C P O DIRECTOR MONTHLY MEETING WITH D P D CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA, MYSELF AND DIRECTOR MCCLARY.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE UNABLE TO MEET WITH, UM, KEITH GARCIA TODAY HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY.
SO WE WILL, UM, WE'LL WORK WITH HIM TO, TO GET A RESCHEDULE FOR THIS MONTH'S MEETING.
DIRECTOR, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? GREAT.
AND FINAL BRIEFING ITEM THREE E UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS REQUESTED BY C P O B.
UM, THE ONLY ONE OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THE DIAMOND ROSS INVESTIGATION, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR MCCLAR IF YOU HAS ANY COMMENTS.
NO, THAT CASE IS IN LITIGATION STILL.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IT KIND OF GOES BACK TO OUR RECOMMENDATION ABOUT CONCURRENT INVESTIGATIONS AROUND CRITICAL INCIDENTS IS CAUSE AND ALSO THIS KIND OF TIES BECAUSE AS YOU ALL KNOW THIS, THIS WAS COMPLETED I THINK IN 2020.
THIS REVIEW AND CASES TAKE A LONG TIME.
AND SO BY THE TIME Y'ALL GET TO REVIEW THIS, IS IT GONNA BE RELEVANT STILL OR IS IT GONNA BE HELPFUL? SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF JUST THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT UM, THAT THE CASE IS STILL IN LITIGATION.
NEXT IS OUR MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT, UM, DIRECTOR MCCLARY.
SO ALSO WITH THE HELP OF TRAVIS, YOU GUYS SHOULD START SEEING AGAIN YOUR COMPLAINTS, SUMMARIES, AND INQUIRIES.
ALSO, JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DID FINALLY CLOSE THE APPLICATION ROUNDS FOR THE COMPLAINT INTAKE SPECIALIST.
SO I'M GONNA BE, THAT'S, THAT'S A, I THINK IT'S A BETTER PROBLEM.
I'D RATHER HAVE 126 THAN LIKE NONE, RIGHT? SO I HAVE A, SO 126 PEOPLE HAVE APPLIED TO BE THE NEW COMPLAINT INTAKE SPECIALIST.
SO I WILL BE SPENDING MY TIME AF AT THE REST OF THIS WEEK, UM, REVIEW MORE EXTERNAL.
I THINK THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL CANDIDATES.
I WILL BE SPENDING MY TIME THIS WEEK TRYING TO WHITTLE THESE 126,000 TO MAYBE, HOPEFULLY SOMETHING MANAGEABLE LIKE 10 PEOPLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT'S A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE.
AND SO, UH, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WITH TRAVIS'S HELP, UM, YOU GUYS WILL START TO SEE THE SUMMARIES AGAIN.
CAUSE I THINK IT WAS HELPFUL FOR YOU ALL TO SEE THE KIND OF COMPLAINTS THAT WERE COMING IN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THIS MONTH WE HAD 43 COMPLAINTS THAT CAME IN.
UM, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE STILL, I STILL NEED TO WORK WITH D P D ON RECONCILING THESE NUMBERS.
SO AT THE TOP, I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND SEE IF, SO AT THE BOTTOM YOU CAN SEE WHAT THEY SAY THEY GOT FROM US AND THEN WHAT WE REPORT.
SO I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME THING AT THE TOP.
SO FOR THIS MONTH, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THEY HAD 76 CASES, SO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT I GOT 76 CASES FROM THEM.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA START TO GET THOSE NUMBERS FILLED IN AS WELL.
BUT UM, ALSO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE NORMALLY ALWAYS OFF IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY SAY THEY GOT FROM ME, WHAT WE SAY WE BROUGHT IN.
AND SO AT SOME POINT IN TIME, I THINK THE ONLY MONTH WE'VE AGREED SO FAR HAS BEEN OCTOBER.
UM, AND SO WE HAVE TO REALLY FIGURE OUT WAYS TO EITHER EXPLAIN WHY IT'S DIFFERENT OR SOMETHING JUST SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE THIS AND SAY, WELL, OKAY, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU GOT 43 AND THEY'RE ONLY SAYING THAT YOU GOT THAT YOU GAVE THEM 30.
AND SO WE WANTED, AND VICE VERSA WHEN I'M STARTING TO COUNT THEIR NUMBERS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL BE WORKING WITH THE NEW PERSON ON IS HOW WE TRY TO GET MORE UNIFORM OF HOW WE'RE REPORTING AND COUNTING COMPLAINTS.
QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MCCLEARY?
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OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE BOARD TRAINING SCHEDULE.OKAY, SO FOR THIS MONTH THERE'S A TRAINING ON THE 18TH WITH NACO.
SO LAST MONTH IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING SHIELDED HOW POLICE BECAME UNTOUCHABLE.
I WAS SO IMPRESSED BY THE SPEAKER.
I'M ACTUALLY TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN GET HER HERE TO DO SOME KIND OF BIG SYMPOSIUM ON IT BECAUSE IT WAS A, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION.
SO THIS MONTH, NACO IS DOING A WEBINAR ON BIAS BASED, UH, INTERPRETATION OF VIDEO EVIDENCE.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY INTERESTING.
SO EVEN THOUGH HOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT A VIDEO, RIGHT? IT'S SUPPOSED TO TELL YOU EVERYTHING, HOW THERE STILL COULD BE BIAS COMING INTO HOW THINGS ARE INTERPRETED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS THAT BEFORE COVID SOME OF YOU GUYS USED TO ACTUALLY COME DOWN TO THE OFFICE AND HAVE SNACKS WITH US OR ET CETERA.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA MAKE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE SO YOU GUYS CAN COME ON DOWN ON THE 18TH AND WE'LL HAVE SNACKS AND STUFF FOR YOU.
BUT WHAT I THINK I WILL ALSO TRY TO DO FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT COULD JOIN BUT MAYBE NOT IN PERSON, IS SEND OUT A WEBEX INVITE AND THEN SHARE MY SCREEN AND THEN WE CAN STILL WATCH IT TOGETHER, ANYBODY THAT'S AVAILABLE DURING THAT TIME.
UM, AND THEN I'LL ALWAYS UPLOAD IT WHEN THEY USUALLY SEND US, UM, LIKE A LINK TO THE VIDEOS AND STUFF.
SO I'LL MAKE SURE I START GOING BACK AND ADDING THEM IN INTO YOUR TRAINING FOLDER ON YOUR SHARED DRIVE.
AND THEN JUNE AND JULY I'LL BE SENDING OUT A DOODLE POLL.
SO I I UM, I THINK THE POLICE ACADEMY AT THIS POINT SAID, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR, YOU JUST GIVE US SOME DATES AND WE'LL JUST WORK AROUND IT CUZ YOU KNOW, THEY, WE SENT THEM THREE DAYS LAST TIME, NONE OF THEM WORKED.
AND SO WHAT THEY WANT ME TO DO IS GET DATES FROM YOU GUYS AND THEN THEY LIKE, WE'LL JUST FIGURE IT OUT.
WE'LL JUST WORK AROUND YOUR SCHEDULE.
I DID ASK THEM FOR, UM, BOARD MEMBER KITNER'S, UM, LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY, THAT YOU ALL CAN DO.
AND SO THEY ARE COMPILING THAT LIST OF TRAININGS AT THE BOARD.
SO I DIDN'T FORGET THAT THEY ARE COMPILING THE LIST OF TRAININGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE BOARD.
SO I'LL BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TO YOU ALL.
SO, UH, THE CHAIR CAN, UM, WORK WITH YOU ON TRYING TO COME UP WITH YOUR TRAINING SCHEDULE.
SO LOOK FOR DOODLE POLL FOR ME THIS WEEK WITH DATES AND WEEKENDS, SATURDAYS IN JUNE OR JULY.
AND BASED ON THE ONE WITH THE MOST NUMBERS, THEY SAID THEY WILL JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN ON WHATEVER DAY YOU ALL CHOOSE.
AND I WILL GET THAT LIST OUT, AS I SAID OF THE, UM, OF THE, UM, AVAILABLE TRAINERS TO THE CHAIR SO THAT HE CAN, UM, LOOK AT AND DETERMINE HOW HE WANTS TO GO FORWARD WITH SETTING A TRAINING SCHEDULE WORKS FOR ME.
FOR THE RECORD? MCLAREN, ANY ON WEBEXS? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GO ON TO OUR, UH, BOARD MEMBER UPDATE ON COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
UM, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE DISTRICT THREE EVENTS THAT HAPPENED APRIL, AND ALSO ME PARTICIPATING ON A DISCUSSION WITH THE BALTIMORE'S, UH, OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE.
UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY UPDATES FOR APRIL OR MAY FOR MS. SANFORD? DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, JUNE, EITHER YOU OR BOARD MEMBER GILBERT SMITH? SURE.
SO WE HAVE FINALIZED OUR ACTIVITY FOR JUNE.
IT'S GONNA BE SATURDAY JUNE 17TH, UM, FROM 10:00 AM TO 12:00 PM AT CLYDE WARREN PARK.
GILBERT SMITH AND I ARE DOING THAT TOGETHER WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND WE ARE, IT'S ACTUALLY THAT DAY IS, UM, ALSO THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION AT CLYDE WARREN PARK.
SO WE'RE EXPECTING A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME GAMES TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHAT THE CPO B DOES, UM, AND THE DEPART AND THE DEPARTMENT AND JUST SPREADING THE WORD, UM, THE ACTIVITY OF THE BOARD.
AND DEPENDING ON HOW THIS GOES, CLOUD, WARREN PARK IS WILLING FOR US TO MAKE THIS A REGULAR OCCURRING EVENT SO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS CAN GO OUT, REPRESENT THE BOARD, ET CETERA.
SO THIS IS A FIRST TEST, BUT IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN CONTINUE ON ON IN THE FUTURE.
UM, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE JUNE 13TH, 2023 PER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE AGENDA WILL BE POSTED 72 HOURS PRIOR.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO ENSURE A ROBUST AND TRANSPARENT AGENDA FOR ALL.
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IS THERE ANYBODY IN PERSON OR ON THE LINE WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH, WE HAVE NO ONE ONLINE.CHECKING RIGHT NOW DOESN'T SPEAK.
WELL THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND MARSHALL DISTRICT? TEN SECOND.
IT'S IMPROPERLY MOVED AND SECOND INTO ADJOURN.
MEANING ADJOURNED AT 8:28 PM I'M GONNA TEASE ALL OUR FEMALE BOARD MEMBERS.
I HAD GOODIES FOR YOU GUYS FOR MOTHER'S DAY, RIGHT? AND ALL OF ALL OF YOU ARE VIRTUAL
ALL THANK YOU FOR THINKING OF US.