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OF DALLAS. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM.ON APRIL 17TH, WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND WE HAVE A SECOND.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, ANY DISCUSSION? ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NO DISCUSSION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING NO.
THE AYES HAVE IT. THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS AND COLLEAGUES JUST SO YOU'RE ALL AWARE, WE HAVE A VERY JAM PACKED.
WE HAVE A VERY JAM PACKED COMMITTEE MEETING TODAY AGENDA, AND SO PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR QUESTIONS ARE QUESTIONS AND YOU HAVE THEM EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT TO ASK SO THAT WE CAN MOVE AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS WE CAN.
SO ITEM B WILL BE FIRST, AND THEN WE HAD A BRIEFING BY MEMORANDUM ON A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, WHICH IS LETTER F THAT WILL BE SECOND SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ALL OF OUR FOLKS THAT ARE HERE ALREADY.
SO IT'LL BE B THEN F, AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK IN ORDER.
SO WE ARE GOING TO DO NOW HAVE OUR PRESENTATION ON THE IH 345 FEASIBILITY STUDY UPDATE.
YOU ALL HAVE THE FLOOR NOW. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, HONORABLE CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
ROBERT PEREZ, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
AS MENTIONED WITH US, WE HAVE CEASON CLEMENS, DISTRICT ENGINEER WITH TXDOT FOR THE DALLAS AREA.
SOME OF THE OPTIONS CONSIDERATION CITY DALLAS CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE OPTIONS.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OPTIONS.
WE'LL HAVE TXDOT COMMENTS, NEXT STEPS, AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS.
IT'S CLASSIFIED AS AN URBAN HIGHWAY WITH A POSTED SPEED LIMIT OF 65MPH.
IT CONNECTS I-45 TO US 75 THROUGH DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
THE STUDY COST TXDOT $7 MILLION DOLLARS TO COMPLETE.
TXDOT ALSO WANTED AN INCLUSIVE AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEIR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT PLAN INCLUDED OVER 160 MEETING HOURS WITH OVER 100 STAKEHOLDERS OVER THE COURSE OF THE STUDY , AND THEN ALSO ANOTHER GOAL WAS TO PROVIDE THE BEST SOLUTION THAT MAINTAINS SAFETY, MOBILITY AND OPERABILITY.
TXDOT LOOKED AT OPTIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE 2013 I-345 FEASIBILITY STUDY.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE STUDY DID NOTE WAS THAT WHERE THE TRAFFIC STUDY OR WHERE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS WERE, 180,000 VEHICLES PER DAY IN 2019, WITH THE INCREASE OF POPULATION, THE TRIPS PER DAY IS ANTICIPATED TO RISE TO 206,000 VEHICLES PER DAY BY 2045, AND THEN ALSO WITHIN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AREA OF THE STUDY, APPROXIMATELY 49% OF THE TOTAL POPULATION WAS COMPRISED OF MINORITIES, AND APPROXIMATELY 34% OF THE POPULATION HAD A MEDIAN INCOME BELOW $27,000.
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IS DEPRESSED OR BELOW GRADE REMOVAL BOULEVARD AND ELEVATED OPTION AND THEN THE REFINED HYBRID, WHICH IS THE TXDOT RECOMMENDATION.SO A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND.
THIS STUDY WAS BRIEFED TO TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE LAST JUNE, AND THEN A FULL BRIEFING WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER OF 2022. WE DID HAVE A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS GOING TO CONSIDER IN FEBRUARY, HOWEVER, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD ASKED FOR A DELAY SO WE COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS AND INPUT, AND THAT INPUT WE DID GAIN THROUGH A PUBLIC PANEL DISCUSSION ON THE 8TH.
THAT PUBLIC PANEL WAS COMPRISED OF CITY STAFF FROM PARKS AND RECREATION, FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FROM PLANNING, URBAN DESIGN, FROM TRANSPORTATION AND FROM.
GRAB MY NOTES REALLY QUICK, AND FROM HOUSING IN ADDITION TO THE CITY DEPARTMENTS. WE ALSO DID HAVE TXDOT HERE.
DEEP ELLUM FOUNDATION DDI, SOME DEVELOPERS FROM SOUTH DALLAS AND THEN PATRICK KENNEDY.
SO IT WAS A GOOD CROSS-SECTION OF PANELISTS.
SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS INCLUDED WHAT WERE THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS OF REMOVAL OF I 345.
WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF THE BOULEVARD PARALLEL 34TH STREET PLAN? AND WHAT ARE THE FUNDING OPTIONS? WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF FUNDING? ANY GRADE SEPARATIONS THAT WERE NEEDED FOR THE DARK GREEN LINE? AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE CITY OF DALLAS'S FINANCIAL AND LAND USE PLANS FOR ANY SURPLUS RIGHT OF WAY THAT BECAME AVAILABLE? SO I WON'T GO THROUGH EVERY DETAIL OF EACH OF THE OPTIONS.
I'LL JUST TOUCH ON SOME HIGHLIGHTS HERE.
AGAIN, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WILL BE ABSORBED BY TXDOT.
IN THIS OPTION THE CITY OF DALLAS COULD POTENTIALLY PURCHASE THE SURPLUS RIGHT OF WAY AND POTENTIALLY CAP ANY OF THE OPTIONS THAT ARE HERE. IF THERE IS SURPLUS RIGHT OF WAY OR IF THERE'S CAPPING, THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT, FOR THOSE FUNDS TO FUND THOSE PROJECTS UNDER THE DEPRESSED AND BELOW GRADE.
GIVEN THE AND THROUGH ALL OF THE OPTIONS, THE CITY OF DALLAS COULD PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY AT A COST BETWEEN 47 AND $82 MILLION DOLLARS, THAT WOULD BE FOR 5.4 ACRES OF SURPLUS, AND FUTURE DEBT CAPS COULD BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT $270 MILLION DOLLARS.
SO FOR THE REMOVAL BOULEVARD OPTION AND THIS WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE SUMMARY.
THE COST OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD ALSO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS.
THE TRUE COST WOULD BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 400 MILLION TO $1 BILLION DOLLARS.
THIS OPTION MIGHT ALSO THERE'S AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WHICH INCLUDES APPROVAL THROUGH TXDOT AND THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION TO REMOVE THIS HIGHWAY OFF THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY SYSTEM.
THAT INCLUDES THE GOVERNOR AND THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION TO APPROVE IT, AND THEN THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, ALONG WITH THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION, TO APPROVE THIS. THIS ALSO MAY RESULT IN TITLE SIX CHALLENGES WITH REGARDS TO THE POPULATIONS BEING AFFECTED IN SOUTH DALLAS.
FOR THE REFINED HYBRID, WE FELT THAT THIS OPTION GAVE A GOOD MIX OF BOTH A BOULEVARD AS WELL AS A HIGHWAY TO COMPLETE OR TO KEEP CONNECTIONS BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH DALLAS.
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FUTURE DEBT CAPS IN THE AMOUNT CLOSE TO $295 MILLION DOLLARS.AS FOR THE SUMMARY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT OPTION THE CITY OF DALLAS CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, IF WE WANTED TO PURSUE AN OPTION THAT PROVIDED SURPLUS RIGHT AWAY OR DEBT CAP OPTIONS, WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPLETE A MARKET STUDY, AND A MARKET STUDY WOULD TELL US WHAT THE BEST MIX OF USE OF THE PROPERTIES WOULD BE, WHETHER THAT BE FOR HOUSING, WHETHER IT BE FOR PARKS OR FOR COMMERCIAL USE.
AGAIN, FOR ANY OPTION THAT GIVES US SURPLUS RIGHT OF WAY OR DEBT CAPS, WE WOULD HAVE TO IDENTIFY FUNDING FOR THAT, AND THAT COULD BE THROUGH A COMBINATION OF GRANTS, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DOLLARS OR FUTURE BONDS.
AGAIN, THE REMOVAL OF BOULEVARD OPTION WOULD COST THE CITY OF DALLAS IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS $400 MILLION TO $1 BILLION DOLLARS, AND THEN REMOVAL OR THE BOULEVARD OPTION IS THE ONLY OPTION THAT PRESENTS STATE OR FEDERAL PROCESSES TO BE ADDRESSED, AS WELL AS POTENTIAL TITLE 6 CHALLENGES, WHICH COULD LIMIT GRANT FUNDS AVAILABILITY FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY START WITH THE CITY MAP PROCESS.
REALLY TXDOT STARTED LOOKING AT 345, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BEFORE CITY MAP.
WE HAD A FEASIBILITY STUDY BACK IN 2012 THAT CONCLUDED WITH REALLY WE REALLY JUST NEED TO REHAB THE BRIDGE AS IT IS TODAY, AND SO LATER ON IN 2014, WE STARTED CITY MAP AND THAT WAS REALLY A HOLISTIC LOOK AT ALL THE FREEWAYS DOWNTOWN, REALLY 30 MILES WORTH OF FREEWAYS, AND IT REALLY TRIED TO HELP US PRIORITIZE WHAT DO WE NEED TO WORK ON NEXT? AND REALLY LOOKING AT MORE THAN JUST TRAFFIC, WHAT ARE OUR GOALS? AND WHAT WE HEARD FROM CITY MAP IS WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT MOBILITY AS ONE BUT LIVABLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE CONNECTIVITY, AND SO WE TOOK WHAT WE LEARNED FROM CITY MAP AND CARRIED IT FORWARD WITH 345.
KEEP IN MIND WITH CITY MAP, WE DID HAVE FOUR ALTERNATIVES.
THERE WAS THE NO BUILD, DON'T DO ANYTHING.
THERE WAS ACTUALLY A RECONSTRUCT IN A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO THE REMOVAL OPTION.
CITY MAP DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK THERE IS A MISCONCEPTION THAT MAYBE CITY MAP MADE A RECOMMENDATION.
WE DID NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON ANY OF THE CORRIDORS.
IT WAS REALLY THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE.
WHAT IS POSSIBLE, KNOWING THAT WE NEEDED TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE TO UNDERSTAND, OKAY, IF IN THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE? AND SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.
AND GOING FORWARD WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
NEXT SLIDE. SO AGAIN, WE WANTED TO CARRY THOSE CITY MAP GOALS FORWARD, AND SO WE REALLY FOCUSED ON MOBILITY, CONNECTIVITY, SUSTAINABILITY, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AS ROBERT SAID, WE REALLY WANTED TO HAVE A TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
WE WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON HOW WELL ALL THE OPTIONS WORK WITH A FUTURE CITY, IF YOU WILL.
SO WITH THAT, WE REALLY TOOK FOUR YEARS TO STUDY 345 IN MORE DETAIL.
HAD ALMOST 3000 SURVEYS OR COMMENTS RECEIVED AND OVER 10,000 VIEWS ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE.
NEXT SLIDE. WE CAN GO BACK ONE.
THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, WE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF.
WE HAD OVER 20 WE HAD 23 MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF.
AND THAT WASN'T JUST THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
WE MET WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE MET WITH HOUSING. WE MET WITH URBAN PLANNING.
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THAT THEME THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUST LOOK AT TRAFFIC.
WE WANTED TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING WITH ALL OUR ALTERNATIVES.
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WE ALSO HAD 16 MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS.WE'RE STILL WELCOME TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON IT, AND THEN WE HAD 73 INDIVIDUAL ONE ON ONE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS OVER THE COURSE OF FOUR YEARS.
THIS SLIDE REALLY JUST SHOWS THOSE NUMEROUS THAT OUTREACH THAT WE DID.
THIS IS REALLY THE AGENCY AND CITY COORDINATION AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN SEE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WE FEEL LIKE THE CITY OF DALLAS STAFF WAS HAND IN HAND IN THIS PROCESS WITH US, AND REALLY OUR GOAL WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS JUST WASN'T A TXDOT STUDY.
IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH CITY STAFF.
IT WASN'T JUST MOBILITY AND IT WASN'T JUST THE MOBILITY ON THE FREEWAY LANES.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS A MORE INVITING EXPERIENCE TO WALK ACROSS THE FREEWAY WITH THE BICYCLES AND THE PEDESTRIANS, AS WELL AS WORKING CLOSELY WITH DART TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORKED WITH NOT ONLY THEIR BUS ROUTES, BUT ALSO THE FUTURE OF D2 CONNECTIVITY.
AND WHEN WE SAY CONNECTIVITY, IT'S NOT JUST CONNECTING ONE FREEWAY TO ANOTHER.
IT'S MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET ACROSS ON THE CITY STREETS AS WELL.
DEEP ELLUM WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT THAT REALLY SOMEWHAT A DESTINATION.
HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT ACCESS IS MAINTAINED NO MATTER WHAT ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CHOOSE? AND THEN AGAIN, SUSTAINABILITY, LOOKING AT VARIOUS ASPECTS WITH THAT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO FREE UP A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAY, WHAT IS THE USE OF THAT RIGHT OF WAY? WE GOT CITY STAFF INPUT ON THAT.
THE PARKS, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW PARKS DOWNTOWN TODAY.
SO WE WENT AND REFINED IT AND MADE SURE THAT WE COULD KEEP THAT FOOTPRINT OF CARPENTER PARK IN THE FUTURE AS WE DEPRESS THE FREEWAY, AND THEN IT ALSO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS A BIG FACTOR IN OUR EVALUATION AS WELL, IS NO MATTER WHAT ALTERNATIVE YOU CHOOSE, WHAT ARE THE ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF THAT ALTERNATIVE? NEXT SLIDE. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO READ THE EVALUATION MATRIX.
WE LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO THIS REALLY GOES INTO DETAIL ON WHAT WE LOOKED AT AND REALLY THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE LOOKED AT.
NEXT SLIDE, AND WITH THAT, AS ROBERT SAID, OUR HYBRID ALTERNATIVE IS OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT FREEWAY CONNECTION SO THAT WE'RE NOT IMPACTING THE VARIOUS USERS OF THE FREEWAY TODAY, BUT WE ALSO FEEL LIKE BY DEPRESSING IT AND MAKING IT THE HYBRID ALTERNATIVE, IF YOU WILL, WE FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE INVITING TO WALK ACROSS THE FREEWAY.
WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN GET THAT COMMUNITY COHESION OF REALLY ELIMINATING THAT PERCEIVED BARRIER THAT THE EXISTING FREEWAY HAS TODAY, AND SO THAT IS WHY OUR HYBRID IS THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.
NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS JUST ONE SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE FREEWAY WILL LOOK LIKE.
KEEP IN MIND THIS IS JUST ONE CROSS-SECTION.
THE CROSS-SECTION LOOKS DIFFERENT THROUGHOUT, BUT OUR WHOLE GOAL WITH THE HYBRID ALTERNATIVE IS TO PUT IT IN A SMALLER FOOTPRINT AS WE COULD, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH I-30 TO CANYON SO THAT WE CAN REALLY FREE UP FUTURE ALTERNATIVES.
NEXT SLIDE. I THINK THAT'S IT.
SO AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, WE WILL BE PRESENTING THIS INFORMATION TO CITY COUNCIL THIS WEDNESDAY THROUGH BRIEFING AND THEN NEXT WEDNESDAY, THE 24TH, WE'LL BE SEEKING APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE REFINED HYBRID OPTION.
AND THEN ON THE SAME DAY, CITY COUNCIL ALSO CONSIDER THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING TODAY, AND WITH THAT, WE'LL OPEN UP TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I THINK THIS IS MY YOU MENTIONED ALL THE DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND ALL THE DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS.
I THINK THIS IS MY 60TH OR 65TH TIME HEARING IT.
SO I ALMOST FEEL LIKE I COULD SIT OVER THERE AND GIVE THE PRESENTATION.
SO THANK YOU ALL, BECAUSE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.
IT'S LIKE I TOOK THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR FIRST.
IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT HAS QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO START WITH MS. WILLIS. CHAIR WILLIS HAD HER LIGHT ON FIRST AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO FROM THERE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BRINGING THIS BEFORE US.
SO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE OR I'LL ZERO IN ON PAGE FIVE, AND THAT IS WITH REGARD TO THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT ARE PROJECTED IN 2045.
SO WE'RE GOING FROM 180,000 VEHICLES MOVING NORTH, SOUTH, SOUTH, NORTH DAILY TO 206,000.
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SO 26,000 MORE, AND YOU SAID SOMETHING, ONE OF YOU DID ABOUT POPULATION, THAT THIS IS POPULATION DRIVEN.IS THAT WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM? SO THAT IS OUR NUMBER.
IT'S OUR FUTURE TRAFFIC GROWTH, AND KEEP IN MIND SO THAT WE USE AND MICHAEL'S ON THE CALL BUT WE USE THE REGION'S TRAVEL DEMAND MODEL TO LOOK AT THIS AND THAT PLAYS IN WITH LAND USE AND POPULATION AND THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS INPUT INTO THAT MODEL, AND SO MICHAEL AND HIS TEAM REACH OUT TO CITY STAFF AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT FUTURE LAND USE WILL BE SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND USE THAT IN THE TRAFFIC MODEL, AND I KNOW MICHAEL IS ON I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND ANY MORE ON THAT, MICHAEL.
JUST VERY QUICKLY, WE BREAK THE POPULATION EMPLOYMENT OF THE FUTURE INTO 6,000 ZONES.
NEXT WEEK, THE AGENCY WILL ANNOUNCE THE POPULATION GROWTH FOR THIS YEAR.
WE'VE BEEN SAYING 150,000 A YEAR OR A MILLION EVERY SEVEN YEARS.
WE GREW 161,000 PERSONS LAST YEAR.
SO YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT 6000 GRIDS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? 6000 TRAFFIC SURVEY ZONES.
WHAT ARE YOU. SO THE REGION IS BROKEN UP INTO 6000 SMALL ZONES.
ZONES. ZONE HAS POPULATION AND EMPLOYMENT.
OKAY, SO THAT'S 20 YEARS HENCE.
DID THAT ASSUME A FULLY DEVELOPED HENSLEY FIELD? I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE POPULATION OF I MEAN, THE EMPLOYMENT OF HENSLEY FIELD IS, BUT WE ARE WORKING EXTREMELY HARD WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS TO DEVELOP HENSLEY FIELD.
WE'RE BUILDING FRONTAGE ROADS ON I-20 TO GROW TO THE SOUTH.
SO THE CITIES REVIEW ALL THE POPULATION EMPLOYMENT FORECASTS ACROSS THE WHOLE REGION, AND THEN WE DEVELOP ORIGINS AND DESTINATIONS FOR ALL THOSE TRIPS FOR THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S WHERE I STRUGGLE IS WE DON'T KNOW IF IT FULLY GRASPS HOW THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED OR REALLY THE REST OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT HAS A HIGH CONCENTRATION ON THAT PART OF THE CITY, BUT WE'VE ARRIVED AT THIS NUMBER OF 206,000 PEOPLE, AND THIS IS WHERE I STILL HAVE THE QUESTION MARKS OF.
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TRAVELING THE WAY THAT WE SEE THE TRAVEL HAPPENING TODAY VERSUS THE NECESSITY OF THAT? I MEAN, DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'D LOVE TO HAVE PEOPLE COME TO NORTH DALLAS TO WORK, LIVE PLAY AND ALL OF THAT.
HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE AT ANY KIND OF EXPENSE OF NOT CONSIDERING ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS BEING ENRICHED AND EXPANDED IN THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE CITY, AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THESE NUMBERS ARE POPULATION GROWTH AND A MODEL AROUND THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY NOT BE AS FINE OF A POINT AS WE WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO MAKE A DECISION OF THIS MAGNITUDE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN SHARE? YEAH. ONE THING TO HELP YOU IS FORGET ABOUT THE GROWTH.
FORGET ABOUT THE 3 MILLION PEOPLE.
JUST LOOK AT THE OBSERVED TRAFFIC COUNT.
YOU HAVE 180,000 CARS ON THE CURRENT FACILITY.
THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE IS TO ELIMINATE IT.
THAT PARTICULAR FREEWAY CARRIES 50% MORE THAN THE AVERAGE FREEWAY IN THE REGION.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, 150,000 PEOPLE A DAY, ASSUMING NO GROWTH.
YOU GOT AN I30 THAT'S PRETTY CONGESTED.
YOU GOT A WOODALL ROGERS THAT'S PRETTY CONGESTED.
SO YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP A SERIES OF THOROUGHFARE, STREET IMPROVEMENTS IS THE PROPOSAL.
THEN YOU SPREAD 150,000 CARS AGAINST A WHOLE BUNCH OF THOROUGHFARE STREET IMPROVEMENTS, AND I HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOU CAN CHECK A BOX ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS, BUT YOU JUST FORGET ABOUT THE GROWTH, EVEN
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THOUGH THERE'LL BE GROWTH.THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE DIRECTIONS, THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
TODAY THERE ARE THREE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION.
SO ARE WE RECONFIGURING RAMPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THE HYBRID? YES, BUT WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO ADD ANY THROUGHPUT CAPACITY WITH THE HYBRID SOLUTION, AND SO THAT'S REALLY NOT WE STILL THINK WE CAN MANAGE THE GROWTH BY TRYING TO MAKE TRAFFIC MOVE MORE EFFICIENTLY, BUT WE'RE REALLY NOT LOOKING TO EXPAND THE THROUGHPUT ON THE FREEWAY.
OKAY. THANKS, AND THEN ONE OTHER POINT AND MAYBE DR.
SO IF WE STILL NEED TO DETERMINE THAT, COULDN'T THAT BE A FACTOR IN A FEASIBILITY PLAN THAT ENCOMPASSES MORE THAN JUST THIS NUCLEUS ON THE FOOTPRINT WE KEEP LOOKING AT.
I MEAN, 25 ACRES VERSUS, YOU KNOW, 20 ACRES VERSUS 15.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS WHAT IS THE I GUESS, WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE LAND THAT COMES OPEN? IS IT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE FREEWAY? IS IT DO WE HAVE SOME SETBACK? THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE MARKET STUDY.
WELL, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT COULD BE DONE AS PART OF THIS OTHER INITIATIVE.
I MEAN, JUST TO HELP FACTOR IN TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.
YES, AND REGARDLESS OF WHICH DIRECTION WE GO, WE HAVE TO DO THAT STUDY.
RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S MY POINT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT.
NEXT, I HAD, CHAIR SCHULTZ, AND THEN AFTER THAT, I HAD MR. ATKINS. SO, CHAIR SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. SO I AM PERSONALLY NOT OPPOSED TO THE HYBRID MODEL, AND SO I'M IN SOME WAYS POTENTIALLY CONFLATING B AND F, BUT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEM, TALK ABOUT IT IN TERMS OF WHAT CHAIR WILLIS JUST MENTIONED, AND THAT IS I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME NOW, EVEN THIS FIXING PAST MISTAKES OF THINGS THAT WE'VE BUILT, AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO THAT MOVING FORWARD, AND SO IN A PLANFUL MANNER, AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH THIS AS A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE WORK DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY THAT INCORPORATES THE LAND USE.
IN SOME WAYS IT'S A LITTLE CONTRADICTORY TO OUR STRATEGIC MOBILITY AND OUR CCAP AND OUR VISION ZERO, AND I WANT TO MAKE, AND OF COURSE, THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT KIND OF WORK AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT JUST FROM THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECT, AND SO I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT FROM THE STATE AND FROM THE REGION IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER TOGETHER TO DO THAT WORK NOW AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE DOING THE HIGHWAY PLANNING.
SO I'D ASK, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING WITH THAT? BECAUSE WE FEEL LIKE WE TOOK A VERY COMPREHENSIVE LOOK, AND SO WHAT OTHER I GUESS WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO STATE? YOU DID AND YOU DID.
YOU TOOK A VERY COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT IT FROM A TRANSPORTATION ASPECT, AND WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS AT THE SAME TIME, NOT INSTEAD OF SO WHILE YOU'RE DOING ALL THE PLANNING THAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS MODEL THAT YOU'RE ENCOURAGING US TO ADOPT, COULD YOU ALSO WOULD YOU ALSO PARTICIPATE WITH US IN THE CITY AND LOOKING AT THE EXISTING PLANS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE IN TERMS OF STRATEGIC MOBILITY, WHICH ACTUALLY CALLS FOR A REDUCTION IN CARS RATHER THAN JUST ACCOMMODATING A POTENTIAL DEMAND, BUT ALSO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WE TALKED A MINUTE AGO WITH CHAIR WILLIS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC ASPECTS. SO IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH US SO THAT WE CAN GET A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THE INCREDIBLE IMPACT THAT THIS PLAN, THE HYBRID
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MODEL, WILL BRING.SO IT'S NOT JUST SEEING THIS THROUGH THE LENS OF TRANSPORTATION.
SO IN TERMS OF STUDIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO WORK WITH THE CITY HAND IN HAND IN ANY, I WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE MET WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THAT WITH THIS STUDY.
THERE'S A SEPARATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDY WITHIN THE OVERALL FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND SO I WOULD JUST BE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON OUTSIDE OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE HIT EVEN THE SUSTAINABILITY.
I THINK WE'VE HIT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.
OKAY. BEYOND WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE.
WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTION. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT TO MAYBE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE WORK POTENTIALLY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE, BUT ALSO WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS THAT WE ACTUALLY DO A STUDY THAT HAS THE IMPACT OF ALL THOSE.
BECAUSE THE OTHER BIG PIECE OF IT IS THAT IF WE AND AGAIN, TO CHAIR WILLIS' POINT, IF WE ACTUALLY BUILD SOUTHERN DALLAS AND PLEASANT GROVE AND THE PLACES WHERE THE DEMAND IS COMING FROM, IF IN THE FUTURE, IF WE'RE ABLE TO INVEST IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND BUILD THEM THE WAY THAT WE SHOULD, THEN THAT DEMAND WILL DIMINISH.
WE HOPE, BECAUSE THEY'LL HAVE ENOUGH OF AN ECONOMY WHERE THEY ARE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO NORTH DALLAS FOR JOBS OR WHATEVER, AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF HOLISTIC WORK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO, AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR AND I'M ASKING FOR THAT COMMITMENT FOR THAT SO THAT WE DON'T JUST SILO THIS INTO A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, AND COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ I DO ANTICIPATE THAT WORK WILL HAPPEN THROUGH THE MARKET STUDY.
HOWEVER, WHAT TXDOT NEEDS OR WHAT TXDOT DESIRES IS SOMETHING FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS SAYING, YES, WE ARE YOU KNOW WE'RE ON STEP WITH TXDOT SO THAT WAY THEY CAN TAKE THAT TO THE TEXAS TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION TO SEEK FUNDING FOR THESE OPTIONS.
GOT THAT? I GOT THAT, BUT WHAT I WANT TO ALSO WHILE WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THE FUNDING FOR THE HYBRID OPTION, CAN WE ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SEEKING FUNDING BECAUSE WE HAVE A PLAN FOR ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS AROUND IT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS MICHAEL MORRIS.
MAYBE I CAN HELP IF, IN FACT, THE COUNCIL SAYS.
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO PROCEED WITH THE HYBRID OPTION.
THEN I BELIEVE WHAT WE ALL SHOULD DO, CITY STAFF, TXDOT STAFF, OUR STAFF, ANY OTHER STAFF THAT WANTS TO HELP IS TO TAKE THE 5 OR 6 POLICY REPORTS YOU JUST MENTIONED AND APPLY THEM TO THE HYBRID OPTION, AND WHAT YOU WOULD THEN DO IS MAXIMIZE THOSE SIX POLICY REPORTS TO DETERMINE WHICH LAND YOU SHOULD PURCHASE, SHOULD IT BE A PARK OR A ZOO OR HOUSING? WHERE SHOULD WE BUILD PEDESTRIAN CAPS? WHERE ARE THE CRITICAL SECTIONS? BUT AS DR. PEREZ SAID, WE NEED SOME DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO THE TRANSPORTATION OPTION, I DON'T THINK YOU'LL HAVE ANY CONCERN OF US APPLYING ALL OF THOSE POLICIES TO THAT PARTICULAR OPTION TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE OF THOSE POLICIES AT THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, BUT WE NEED SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT OPTION YOU WISH US TO PURSUE.
I HOPE THAT HELPED ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
CHAIRMAN ATKINS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS POINT? YEAH. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
MICHEAL GOING BACK LOOKING AT I 345 AND WE LOOK AT THE TRINITY TOLL ROAD THAT WE TRY TO DO MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GOT TRAFFIC FROM SOUTH, GOING NORTH, NORTH GOING SOUTH.
WE LOOK AT SM WRIGHT, DEAD MAN CURVE, WE TRIED TO STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT.
IN THE HYBRID MODEL WE'RE SITTING HERE, THE [INAUDIBLE] MEMO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND WE DO THE [INAUDIBLE] MEMO WITH A FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WHAT ABOUT THE FUNDING? DO WE DO WE LOSE THIS FUNDING? IF WE DO A STUDY GOING TO TAKE US ROUGHLY ABOUT ONE YEAR TO TWO YEARS TO GET THIS DONE? AND THAT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.
I HAVE NO PATH FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IF THEY WISH TO NOT SUPPORT THE HYBRID AND GO DEVELOP A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AROUND THE THOROUGHFARE STREET OPTION. I'VE NO METHOD ON HOW YOU WOULD BUILD THE THOROUGHFARE STREET.
I JUST THE MATH DOESN'T GET THERE.
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I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GET OUT OF FEDERAL COURT.THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS YOU DON'T HAVE.
THE WIN WIN SITUATION BECAUSE A TRINITY IS ALREADY DEAD AND GONE.
WE ALREADY TORE DOWN DEAD MAN'S CORNER.
WE MOVED THE 175 TRAFFIC OVER TO 45.
UNDER THE ASSUMPTION WE'D HAVE A 345.
SO 345 IS IS OUR LAST GRASP OF MAKING THAT PARTICULAR CONNECTION NORTH SOUTH. AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
THAT'S, I THINK, YOUR DE FACTO ANSWER.
OKAY. I DON'T SEE YOU BEING ABLE TO RAISE 700 MILLION.
I DON'T SEE YOU BEING ABLE TO CREATE SEPARATE THOROUGHFARE STREETS OVER THE GREEN LINE.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT'S POSSIBLE.
SO THE ONLY PATH FORWARD I SEE IS TO DEPRESS THE HYBRID OPTION.
PUT THE BURDEN ON RTC AND TXDOT AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PAY FOR IT AND THEN TAKE THOSE POLICY DOCUMENTS WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAKE THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OBJECTIVES, AND I KNOW THIS QUESTION COMES UP ALL THE TIME.
WE HAD LOOP 12 AND WE GOT 635 TO CREATE ANOTHER LOOP AROUND THE CITY.
WOULD THAT RELIEVE TRAFFIC? WE HAVE SIMULATED, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY FIVE, EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN THIS FIRST CAME OUT.
THIS IS ABOUT THE FIFTH OR SIXTH TIME WE'VE LOOKED AT 345.
WE'RE ALREADY ASSUMING LOOP 12 WILL BE WIDENED.
THE ONLY IMPROVEMENT WE DON'T HAVE IS ON 75 NORTH OF LBJ.
ALL OTHER CORRIDORS HAVE THEIR PERMANENT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PLAN.
THE TRAFFIC YOU'RE SEEING ON 345 IS ASSUMING LOOP 12 IS ALREADY WIDENED.
I GUESS THE QUESTION IS DOING THE HYBRID DESIGN AND TRYING TO SAY WE WANT TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY OR INDEPENDENT FEASIBILITY STUDY, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST 1 TO 2 YEARS TO GET THAT DONE? IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT, DR.
PEREZ? ANYONE GOING TO TAKE YOU AT LEAST A YEAR TO TWO YEARS TO GET IT DONE.
YES, SIR. IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE AT LEAST A YEAR TO DO.
DEPENDING UPON THE SCOPE, YES.
SO WE GOT TO WRITE A SCOPE FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
YOU SAYING IN THE MEMO, TRY TO GET IT DONE IN ONE YEAR.
IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO GET THAT DONE IN ONE YEAR.
I GUESS WHILE WE'RE DRAFTING THE SOLICITATION FOR IT, WE'D HAVE TO PUT THAT AS A REQUIREMENT.
SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING UPON THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, I MEAN, IT MAY BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE.
OKAY. WHEN YOU SAID RESOURCES, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT 1 MILLION OR 2 MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY? HOW MUCH RESOURCES? YEAH, WE'RE INTERNALLY WE'VE DISCUSSED ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO $2 MILLION DOLLARS SIR, AND WHAT WOULD THIS FUNDING COME FROM? WE'D HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT, SIR.
HAS THE FUNDING BEEN IDENTIFIED? NO, SIR, IT HAS NOT.
WOULD THE FUND BE IDENTIFIED BEFORE OUR NEXT BRIEFING? UH, WE I MEAN, WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT, BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE'D HAVE TO CONSIDER WHAT WOULDN'T BE ACCOMPLISHED BY DOING THIS STUDY.
WE DO HAVE A FULL COUNCIL BRIEFING ON THIS 345 THIS WEEK, RIGHT? YES, SIR. OKAY.
SO THE QUESTION IS, I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO GET THIS STUDY AND COULD THIS STUDY GET DONE IN ONE YEAR? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.
THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IF WE DO NOT DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, CAN WE STILL ACCOMPLISH THE MARKET STUDY? YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDY, THE LAND USE STUDY, CAN WE DO ALL THIS AT THE SAME TIME AS WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS HYBRID? CAN ALL THAT BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME? AT THE SAME TIME? YES, SIR, IT CAN BE.
MICHAEL, DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF WITH THE HYBRID, ACCORDING TO DR.
PEREZ, ALL THIS CAN BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY? COUNCILMAN ATKINS.
I THINK THE STAFFS WORKED WELL TO DO THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY PROJECT.
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ON SOUTHERN GATEWAY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE PROJECT.INTERSTATE 30 BETWEEN 35 AND 45 IS IN ITS FINAL DESIGN IS FULLY FUNDED.
CEASON AT TXDOT STILL HAS TO DESIGN AND ENVIRONMENTALLY CLEAR THE PROJECT.
SHE'S JUST AT THE FEASIBILITY STAGE.
ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS TO GET THE NOD TO PROCEED INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, AND AGAIN, WE'LL ROLL UP ALL OF OUR SLEEVES WITH ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, DDI AND DEEP ELLUM AND INTERCONNECT THESE THOROUGHFARE STREETS AND WHAT PARCELS OF LAND ARE OF GREATER VALUE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
SO WE JUST DEMONSTRATED IT IN SOUTHERN GATEWAY.
WE JUST DEMONSTRATED IT ON I-30.
THAT'S YOUR POLICY DECISION IF YOU WISH TO FUND IT OR NOT, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF LAND COME UP ON I-30 THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. I HOPE YOU ARE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF LAND ON A HYBRID 345 THAT I HOPE YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, AND THERE MAY BE A WAY TO ORGANIZE THE BUYING AND SELLING OF THAT LAND TO MAXIMIZE THE SIX POLICY VALUES THAT COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ TALKED ABOUT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THE TIMING IN CONSTRUCTION, MICHAEL ON 345. IF YOU DO A HYBRID, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO START TO FINISH A PROJECT LIKE THIS? CEASON IS BEST TO ANSWER THAT.
AFTER THAT YOU KNOW DURING THAT PROCESS, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING, WHETHER THAT'S THE RTC, AS MICHAEL MENTIONED, OR POTENTIALLY OUR COMMISSION, AND RIGHT AFTER YOU DO THE SCHEMATIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL, WE'LL IMMEDIATELY ROLL INTO WHAT WE CALL OUR FINAL PLANS.
THAT'S THE STAGE THAT WE ARE IN WITH I-30 CANYON.
AND CONSTRUCTION OF THIS CORRIDOR WE'RE LOOKING AT CLOSE TO FIVE YEARS FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS OF TODAY? NO, IT HAS NOT.
OUR HOPE IS WE ROLL INTO THE SCHEMATIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL THAT WE HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE DALLAS COUNCIL AND THEN WE'LL USE THAT LEVERAGE, THAT SUPPORT FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS TO START LOOKING FOR THAT FUNDING.
OKAY. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY WHICH MIGHT TAKE TWO YEARS TO GET IT DONE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING IS NOT GUARANTEED WOULD WE LOSE THAT OR WHAT? IT'S REALLY NOT GUARANTEED.
WE REALLY LOOK FOR CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS TO HELP US LEVERAGE TO FIND THAT FUNDING.
KEEP IN MIND 345 IT'S A VERY TALKED ABOUT CORRIDOR, IF YOU WILL, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INTEREST IN FUNDING A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT ON IT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SAY THAT WE'VE ALSO GOT THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS COUNCIL.
OKAY. COUNCILMAN MICHAEL MORRIS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT AND WHY SOME OF US ARE EAGER TO GET A DECISION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS IS WE WANT TO GO AFTER THE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY.
YOU CAN'T ASSUME THE INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE FOREVER.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS ADMINISTRATION IS GOING TO BE THERE.
YOU MAKE HAY WHILE THE SUN SHINES.
OUR HOPE WOULD BE WE WOULD MOVE AHEAD AND SLOT THIS PROJECT ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF FROM NOW IN A COMBINATION OF FUNDING FROM THE RTC, HOPEFULLY THE COMMISSION AND FROM WASHINGTON AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.
IF YOU WAIT TWO YEARS WE'RE MOVING AHEAD.
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE AHEAD ON I-30 WITH THE HOPE OF GETTING CONSENSUS TO DEPRESS I-30 AT FAIR PARK.
WE GOT OTHER OTHER NEEDS IN THE REGION THAT WILL MOVE AHEAD ON.
EVERY MONTH OR EVERY OTHER MONTH THE RTC SLOTS FUNDS FOR INFRASTRUCTURE COMPETITION.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A COUNCIL POSITION, WE WOULDN'T BE GOING AFTER FEDERAL FUNDS.
WE WOULD BE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT CORRIDOR AND THE NEXT CORRIDOR IN DALLAS IS I-30 EAST AT FAIR PARK? I'D LIKE TO SEE THE VISION WHERE WE ACTUALLY INTEGRATE THEM TOGETHER I-30 AND 345 IN A SYSTEM.
THE MR. CHAIRMAN THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FULL BRIEFING, THAT WE HAVE SOME NUMBERS THERE.
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YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY WE MIGHT LOSE THE FUNDING IF WE DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH MIGHT TAKE 1 OR 2 YEARS.WHAT IS THE RISK THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT? IS THAT FUNDING, IF WE GOT TO DO A FEASIBILITY STUDY WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING TO COME FROM? IS THAT A POLICY DECISION? THAT'S A CITY MANAGER DECISION TO PAY FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.
THIRDLY, IN THE LAST DEAL IS, NUMBER ONE, THE TIMING IS AN ISSUE.
I THINK THAT TALKING TO CHAIRMAN [INAUDIBLE] IS THAT I THINK WE CAN DO THIS MARKET STUDY.
SO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HOPE YOU GET THAT INFORMATION GIVE IT TO US BY WEDNESDAY.
DR. PEREZ, IS THAT FEASIBLE WHAT MR. ATKINS JUST REQUESTED? WE'LL EVALUATE IT, SIR, BUT.
ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.
MR. MORENO, YOU NOW HAVE THE FLOOR.
COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'LL TRY TO GET MY QUESTIONS NOT PERTAINING JUST TO MY DISTRICT BECAUSE I DO REALIZE THIS IS A CITYWIDE PROJECT THAT WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.
WERE THEY DONE RECENTLY? WHEN WERE THEY DONE? THE COUNTS WERE DONE PRE-COVID.
TRAFFIC VOLUMES HAVE RETURNED TO PRE-COVID, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY.
I DON'T KNOW, MICHAEL, IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING, BUT.
IS THAT TRAFFIC DUE TO EMPLOYMENT? IS IT DUE TO PEOPLE MOVING INTO THE CORE? HOW DO WE GET TO THOSE NUMBERS? SO WHEN WE WENT OUT AND TOOK OBSERVED TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC COUNTS, THAT WAS PRE-COVID, AS YOU MENTIONED, BUT THEN GOING BACK TO THE REGIONAL MODEL, WE ARE LOOKING AT LAND USES SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY, THAT'S EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYMENT DATA, ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THAT GOES INTO THAT REGIONAL MODEL.
SO THAT WE WERE WORKING ON A PLAN THAT'S FOR THE FUTURE, RIGHT? AND SO ALL OF THAT GOES INTO CONSIDERATION AND A LOT OF THAT WAS TAKEN FROM CITY STAFF.
OKAY. SO AS WE HEAR OUR FOLKS, FOR EXAMPLE, DEEP ELLUM FOUNDATION, WE LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS OF VACANCY IN OUR OFFICE SPACES DOWNTOWN AND THAT IS DRAMATICALLY DROPPING IN VACANCY, BUT YET WE ARE HAVING MORE PEOPLE LIVING DOWNTOWN, AND SO TRYING TO WRAP BACK AROUND TO OUR STUDIES WITH THE CITY MAP, WITH THE 360 PLAN AND VISION ZERO, TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THIS BENEFITS THOSE INDIVIDUALS LIVING IN OUR DOWNTOWN URBAN CORE.
WHEN WE'RE SEEING THE EXACT OPPOSITE, WE'RE SEEING LESS PEOPLE COMING INTO OUR DOWNTOWN FOR WORK, BUT RATHER CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT, AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY LIVE, PLAY AND WORK DOWNTOWN.
SO I'M JUST REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME CORRELATING THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT Y'ALL ARE PORTRAYING THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE INCREASING WHEN WE'RE COMPLETELY SEEING THE OPPOSITE HAPPENING DOWNTOWN.
SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE SEEING A DECREASE IN FOLKS GOING TO DOWNTOWN.
ONE THING THAT WE LEARNED FROM OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE DID A VERY IN-DEPTH ORIGIN DESTINATION STUDY, AND I THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT FOLKS COULD GO AROUND ON 635 AND REALLY AVOID DOWNTOWN.
SO THAT'S CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS USING 345 TO A DESTINY WITHIN CITY OF DALLAS, AND SO YES, THERE MIGHT BE CHANGES IN PEOPLE'S TRAVEL PATTERNS AND WHATNOT, BUT WE STILL BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEED FOR 345 AND PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO USE THE CORRIDOR NOT ONLY TO GET TO THEIR JOBS BUT ALSO WHERE THEY'RE LIVING, AND AS THEY CHANGE, THIS MODEL STILL INCORPORATES THOSE CHANGES.
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THE FREEWAY.AND THEN LASTLY ON THIS QUESTION HERE WAS THE STUDY CONDUCTED BY CITY STAFF OR BY TXDOT? TXDOT LED THE STUDY, BUT AS I MENTIONED, WE MET WITH CITY STAFF 23 TIMES, AND REALLY WE WERE LOOKING FOR CITY STAFF INPUT.
SO CITY STAFF PROVIDED AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF INPUT ON THIS STUDY.
WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, DO WE HAVE AN ANALYSIS OF EVERY ACRE THAT GETS CONVERTED TO EITHER HOUSING OR TO BUSINESS? WHAT'S THAT NUMBER THAT WE GET IN RETURN IN ECONOMIC DOLLARS PER ACRE? SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT, BUT FOR SURE, THE MARKET STUDY THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WOULD LOOK DOWN TO THAT DETAIL.
I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS THAT IS OUT THERE.
OKAY, AND WE HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF.
YEAH, I CAN ADD TO THAT, AND I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDY THAT WE DID WITH CITY STAFF, IT GOES INTO POTENTIAL TAX REVENUE, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS, AND SO THAT IS ALL INCLUDED IN OUR FEASIBILITY STUDY.
AND CHAIRMAN CUT ME OFF WHEN WE NEED TO GO TO A ROUND TWO.
WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE FOR THE HYBRID MODEL.
WHAT WOULD BE THE TIMELINE FOR A BOULEVARD OPTION? AS FAR AS CONSTRUCTION AND THEN IF Y'ALL CAN GO A LITTLE DEEPER INTO THAT AND GIVE ME SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW DISRUPTION TO THE TRAFFIC AND TO THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN AND DEEP ELLUM RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE THERE EXISTING CURRENTLY JUST UNDER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TYPE OF DISRUPTION WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH EITHER OR MODEL.
AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO ANSWER BECAUSE THE BOULEVARD IS NOT AN OPTION FOR TXDOT.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WENT INTO JUST BECAUSE WE THINK THE IMPACT IS TOO GREAT, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY REBUILDING A NUMBER OF CITY STREETS IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT TRAFFIC THAT IS CURRENTLY THE 180,000 VEHICLES THAT'S CURRENTLY USING THE FACILITY TODAY.
MICHAEL MENTIONED ON THE GREEN LINE, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE VOLUMES THAT WOULD JUSTIFY GRADE SEPARATIONS, AND SO YOU'D HAVE TO BUILD THOSE GRADE SEPARATIONS AND YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT IMPACT, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T PUT AN OVERALL TIMELINE JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE QUITE A WHILE TO REBUILD THOSE CITY STREETS SO THAT IT COULD ACCOMMODATE, BUT AGAIN, A BOULEVARD OPTION IS NOT ON THE TABLE FOR TXDOT.
WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE FOR DECKING AND CAPPING.
HOW DO THOSE NUMBERS CORRELATE TO WHAT KLYDE WARREN PARK'S PROJECT TOOK? AND THEN ARE THOSE TODAY'S DOLLARS OR ARE THEY DOLLARS FROM 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? AND WHAT WOULD THOSE DOLLARS LOOK LIKE 10 TO 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD? SO OUR ANALYSIS WAS BASED UPON THE PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION COSTS FULLY LOADED OF PHASE TWO FOR THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY PROJECT, AND SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DID IS WE TOOK A DOLLAR AMOUNT PER ACRE, FULLY LOADED FOR BOTH THE CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS, THE LIGHTING, THE VENTILATION AND SO FORTH TO COME UP WITH A PER ACRE COST AND THEN MULTIPLY THAT BY THE NUMBER OF ACRES OF POTENTIAL DEBT CAPS FOR EACH OF THE OPTIONS.
LOOK, MAYBE I WOULD SAY MAYBE 3% EVERY YEAR GOING FORWARD TO GET TO A NUMBER IN THE FUTURE.
OKAY. ONE OF MY BIGGEST QUESTIONS GOING FORWARD IS HOW WE POTENTIALLY DEVELOP THE LAND ACCESS LAND WITH WHATEVER OPTION WE MOVE FORWARD WITH AND HOW WE GO INTO ZONING FOR THAT AND THE TYPE OF HOUSING AND MIXED INCOME THAT'S CREATED.
SO HAVE WE DONE AN ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING IN GENERAL WE COULD POTENTIALLY GENERATE PER ACRE? YEAH, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE MARKET STUDY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD GET DOWN TO THAT DETAIL, SIR.
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ALL RIGHT, AND THAT'S ALL FOR THIS ROUND, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU, CHAIR MENDELSOHN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.THANK YOU. WELL, IN NOTING THAT WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA AND THIS HAS BEEN WIDELY DISCUSSED AND WE DO HAVE A BRIEFING COMING, I'M JUST GOING TO REALLY ASK JUST ONE QUESTION.
I THINK OF MICHAEL MORRIS, AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THINGS.
SO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES, NOT JUST TODAY, TALKED ABOUT THE UNIQUE TIME PERIOD WE'RE IN WHERE THERE'S FEDERAL FUNDING AVAILABILITY, AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD MAYBE ELABORATE ON THAT.
THANK YOU AND I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK ABOUT IT.
THE HYBRID OPTION IS IN THE MOBILITY 2045 PLAN.
WE DO NOT HAVE A THOROUGHFARE STREET OPTION.
STRUGGLED WITH A THOROUGHFARE STREET IN SAN ANTONIO.
I THINK, CEASON IS RIGHT THEY WON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN AN ITEM ON THEIR AGENDA.
WHEN IS THIS ADMINISTRATION GOING TO HAVE SELECTION AUTHORITY? THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO SLOT THE PROJECT AS SOON AS WE POSSIBLY COULD.
YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE THOROUGHFARE STREET.
COUNCILMAN ATKINS IS WONDERING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET 1 OR 2 MILLION.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GET 800 OR 1 BILLION.
YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE CONGRESS TO NO LONGER HAVE AN INTERSTATE HIGHWAY.
I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE.
NO ONE ABOVE MY PAY GRADE AT THAT LEVEL THINKS THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.
SO I THINK YOUR TIMING OF A DECISION IS CRITICAL, AT LEAST IN OUR OFFICE, BECAUSE WE WOULD WANT TO SLOT THIS PROJECT TO GO AFTER FEDERAL FUNDS AND GO AFTER RTC FUNDS AND EVENTUALLY GO AFTER COMMISSION FUNDS.
WITH AN ASTERISK NEXT TO IT, AND AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, YOU GET BACK TO YOU.
SO THAT'S I THINK I HOPE THAT'S THE CRUX OF YOUR QUESTION.
DO YOU KNOW A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT IS AVAILABLE AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR? WELL, THEY'RE SITTING ON BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I WOULD GO PROBABLY I HAVEN'T TALKED TO CEASON ABOUT IT, BUT IF WE WENT ONE THIRD RTC, ONE THIRD COMMISSION, ONE THIRD FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YOU'D BE GOING AFTER 3 TO 400 MILLION DOLLARS.
WE WOULD WANT TO PUT THE PEDESTRIAN CAPS INTO THE PROJECT SIMILAR TO THE FEDERAL APPLICATION THAT WAS IN WASHINGTON FOR THE WHAT WE CALL THE THREE FINGERS PEDESTRIAN CAP, WHICH CONNECTED OLD CITY PARK TO FARMERS MARKET.
DO YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE THAT YOU'RE MODELING RIGHT NOW FOR INCREASES IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS YEAR OVER YEAR? CEASON WOULD BE BETTER.
I THINK WE SAW 15 TO 20% INFLATION IN THE LAST YEAR BECAUSE OF SUPPLY CHAIN.
CEASON, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT 10% PLUS, MAYBE AN INFLATION? IN THE LAST YEAR, WE SAW 23.6% INCREASE.
NOW, KEEP IN MIND, THE LAST YEAR WAS UNIQUE.
THAT'S JUST OUR CURRENT THINKING.
WELL, THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT I'M JUST GOING TO SAY FOR THE BRIEFING, BUT I'LL TELL YOU THAT MANY OF THEM I WAS THINKING ABOUT AS I PERSONALLY WAS DRIVING ON 345 TO GET TO THIS MEETING, AND MY SPEED VARIED BETWEEN 30 MILES AN HOUR AND ZERO.
CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
ON YOUR STUDY FOR THE TRAFFIC VOLUME, DID YOU CITE A POINT OF ORIGIN?
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I KNOW THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT DESTINATION.CAN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN AND WHERE THE CARS ARE COMING FROM? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT WE ESSENTIALLY LOOKED AT THE 635 LOOP AND REALLY WHAT CAME OUTSIDE OF THE LOOP, AND SO WE HAD DIFFERENT ZONES AND REGIONS JUST WITHIN THE 635 LOOP.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT AGAIN, WHAT WE FOUND WAS 80% OF THAT TRAFFIC IS ORIGINATING WITHIN THE 635 LOOP AND IS DESTINED TO SOMEWHERE WITHIN 635 AND THE LOOP 12 WAS THE WESTERN BOUNDARY, SORRY.
AND SO 80% IS IS ORIGINATING WITHIN THAT LOOP AND 80% IS DESTINED TO WITHIN THAT LOOP, AND THEN WE'VE GOT VARIOUS ZONES THAT WE BROKE DOWN IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND THEN MODELED EACH ALTERNATIVE WITH THAT.
I CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
YES. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE FOUND IS WITH A BOULEVARD OPTION, IF YOU ARE STARTING IN THE SOUTH, HEADED TO A JOB IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT OR ALONG 75, WE WERE GOING TO IMPACT FOLKS 40 TO 50%.
THAT'S HOW MUCH WE WERE GOING TO IMPACT THEIR TRAVEL TIMES.
AND THAT REALLY HELPED US REALIZE THE BOULEVARD IS NOT AN OPTION, AND THAT WAS REALLY LOOKING AT THE ZONE SOUTH OF 30, EAST OF 45, AND AGAIN, DESTINED TO EITHER THE MEDICAL DISTRICT LOVE FIELD OR EVEN ALONG 75.
THAT IMPACT WAS 40 TO 50% ON THE TRAVEL TIMES.
THANK YOU, AND SO IS IT BROKEN DOWN AT ALL FROM NORTHBOUND OR SOUTHBOUND ON THE ACTUAL VOLUME NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE CITING? YES.
YES, IT IS. SO THERE'S TODAY THERE'S 180,000 VEHICLES.
IT IS SPLIT NORTH, SPLIT ABOUT 50% EACH WAY, NORTH, AND SOUTH.
CORRECT. OKAY, AND I'VE HEARD THAT I'VE HEARD IT SAID A FEW TIMES THAT TXDOT IS NOT GOING TO BE FUNDING A BOULEVARD OPTION, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
SO I GUESS I'M CURIOUS WITH THE STUDY BEING AS AS SUGGESTED, DONE CORRELATING WITH A SPECIFIC OPTION THAT WE GO WITH, CAN THERE BE LANGUAGE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WE PASSED THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK BASED ON WHAT THE FINDINGS ARE FROM THESE STUDIES? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE, BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY EVALUATE IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY, BUT LIKE I SAID, OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE IS THE HYBRID, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WISH TO GO FORWARD WITH.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, CITY'S SUPPORT IS.
HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP ANY TYPE OF PROGRESS.
I ALSO DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON ANECDOTES, AND RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING WE HAVE REALLY OPPOSING AND PUSHING FOR A BOULEVARD OPTION HAS BEEN ANECDOTAL, AND SO I THINK THAT A STUDY WOULD HELP US GRASP WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD BE KICKING THIS DOWN THE ROAD AND MAKING IT EVEN LONGER OF A PROCESS WHEN WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT THIS BEING A DECADE LONG PROJECT WHEN IT'S ALL BASED OFF ANECDOTE, AND SO I STILL BELIEVE THAT THE HYBRID OPTION IS OUR BEST.
I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY THE MOST EQUITABLE.
IT'S DEFINITELY CONSIDERING THOSE WRONGS OF THE PAST THAT HAS ALSO BEEN MENTIONED HERE TODAY.
THE REALITY IS THE AMOUNT OF THE JOB, THE WORKFORCE AND THE JOB MARKET IS NORTH OF 30, AND THIS THOROUGHFARE IS GOING TO BE A LIFELINE TO MANY PEOPLE WHO A, HAVE TO LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE OTHER DISPARITIES IN OUR CITY, BUT THEN THE JOB MARKET THAT PERPETUATES THOSE DISPARITIES, AND I THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD CONTINUE TO PERPETUATE THAT IN OUR CITY.
I THINK THAT WE CAN LOOK AT LANGUAGE AND I WOULD LIKE FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEYS TO LOOK INTO LANGUAGE AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN THOUGH I AM MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE FUNDING A STUDY, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO THE IMPACTS OF THAT STUDY ON MULTIPLE FRONTS, I THINK IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE TO HAVE THE STUDY. IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUILT IN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REVISIT TO SEE IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED BASED ON THE FINDINGS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ARE LITERALLY HOLDING IT OFF OF NO DATA.
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DECADES. SO I HOPE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT TXDOT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO AND ALLOW FOR US TO WORK KIND OF HAND IN HAND, AS, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT LOOKING AT HOW THAT IMPACT IS, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT STUDY AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY, WE'VE ALREADY MADE A VOTE AND THEN AND THE STUDIES MATTER NOTHING GOING FORWARD, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'D SPEND THE MONEY ON THE STUDIES IN THE FIRST PLACE OR WHY WE WOULD BE GOING IN THAT ROUTE.SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, GIVING YOU A DIRECTION, BASING WHAT THOSE STUDIES CAN BE FINDING, CAN HAVE FINDINGS BASED ON AND THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO REVISIT ANY PLANS.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY RIGHT NOW, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.
MR. MORENO, DID YOU HAVE A SECOND ROUND? OKAY. ANYBODY VIRTUALLY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? SECOND ROUND? LOOKS LIKE NONE.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, MS. CLEMENS. A FEW QUESTIONS.
SO THERE'S APPARENTLY PLANNING GRANTS AVAILABLE OF UP TO $2 MILLION DOLLARS WITH THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES GRANTS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY FUND A STUDY OF THIS TYPE.
HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO OUR CONGRESS PERSONS OR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THAT GRANT? COUNCILMAN WEST AT THIS POINT NO, WE HAVE NOT.
OKAY, BUT THERE IS A FUNDING SOURCE OUT THERE.
HAVE WE REACHED OUT TO ANY OF THOSE SAME INDIVIDUALS TO SEE IF THERE'S FEDERAL FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR AN OPTION THAT'S AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE TRENCH DESIGN? COUNCILMAN WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE OPTIONS AND I MEAN, SINCE WE RECEIVED THE DIRECTION FROM YOUR FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, WE WANT TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE START GOING DOWN THOSE AVENUES.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT DETROIT JUST RECEIVED $100 MILLION DOLLARS FROM THE RECONNECTING COMMUNITIES TO REMOVE A FREEWAY? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT, SIR. NO.
ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT.
SO WE'VE SEEN FREEWAY REMOVALS IN OTHER CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO, NEW YORK.
NOW WE'RE SEEING ONE IN DETROIT.
IF THEY CAN DO IT, WHY CAN'T WE DO IT? WE'VE LOOKED AT EACH ONE OF THOSE AND THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT REMOVALS, IF YOU WILL.
EACH ONE OF THOSE IS REALLY THE LAST LINK OF THE FREEWAY.
THE DETROIT ONE, THE ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED, IS ONE OF THE MOST RECENT.
IT'S REALLY TYING INTO THE RIVER THERE, AND ESSENTIALLY IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE AFTER THAT.
IT BLEEDS INTO A CITY STREET, AND SO WITH 345, THAT'S REALLY REMOVING THE MIDDLE LINK, AND WHERE DOES THAT TRAFFIC GO? AND SO WE HAVE NOT FOUND A COMPARABLE HIGHWAY REMOVAL.
UP TO NOW, WHO AT TXDOT WORKING WITH CITY STAFF OR WITH WITH ANYONE HAS REVIEWED YOUR PLANS UNDER OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY? FROM TXDOT, IT'S ME AND MY TEAM.
WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
SO IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS THE TEAM HAS REVISED OR RECONSIDERED YOUR TWO OPTIONS THAT ARE ON THE TABLE BASED ON OUR RECENTLY PASSED POLICY. OUR CONVERSATIONS WERE OVER THE FOUR YEAR FEASIBILITY STUDY.
WHAT ABOUT CCAP? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THIS POWERPOINT ABOUT OUR ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN.
WHAT ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN, THE 360 PLAN AND HOW THAT PLAYS IN HERE? YES. AGAIN, WE'VE WORKED CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF 360 WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE RIGHT IN LINE.
SO THERE WAS 21 MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF OVER FOUR YEARS, IS THAT RIGHT? 23 MEETINGS? YES, 23 MEETINGS.
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I THINK THERE'S NEW CITY STAFF AND GRANTED, WE ARE WORKING WITH LOWER STAFF MEMBERS.WE WELCOME ANY INPUT FROM THE CITY STAFF AND WE ALSO HAVE A NEW HOUSING POLICY, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. HAS ANYONE REVIEWED THE TXDOT ALTERNATIVES UNDER THE NEW HOUSING POLICY? SO COUNCILMAN, I THINK A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, SIR, I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EVALUATE.
SO, I MEAN, JUST OVERALL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO MOVING FORWARD.
PEREZ, AS AN ACM TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT.
I REALLY DO, AND I TRUST MAJEED AND THE NTC TO DO THAT, BUT THIS BRINGS ME REALLY TO MY CORE QUESTION AND TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA POINT THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DATA HERE, BUT YET WE DON'T REALLY NEED A STUDY WHICH CONTRADICTS ITSELF BECAUSE THERE'S A CALL TO JUST MOVE FORWARD ONCE WE SIGN OFF ON TXDOT'S, PROPOSED RESOLUTION.
RIGHT. SO I THINK CEASON HAS MENTIONED THAT THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US BASED UPON THE STUDIES THAT WE DEVELOP, THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK AND ASK OR SEEK FOR A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
HOWEVER, I THINK WHAT THAT DOES, I MEAN, IF WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW, THE PROJECT, WHICHEVER WAY WE GO, BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE, FUNDING BECOMES LESS AND LESS AVAILABLE.
SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE ASKING AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT HERE IS THAT IT WASN'T JUST THIS STUDY FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT LED TO THIS. I MEAN, THERE WAS A 2013 I-345 FEASIBILITY STUDY, WHICH, AS I UNDERSTAND, TOOK A NUMBER OF YEARS TO DEVELOP.
SO THIS PROJECT'S REALLY BEEN LOOKED AT FOR 15 YEARS.
YES, THERE IS SOME WORK THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW, ARE WE GOING FOR A 25 ACRE PLAN? ARE WE GOING FOR A TEN ACRE PLAN? ARE WE GOING FOR ONE WITH CAPS, ONE WITHOUT? SO ESSENTIALLY, YES, THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE IN ANY OPTION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, AND SO, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT IT LOCKS US IN.
THIS ESSENTIALLY GIVES TXDOT AN INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS SO THAT WAY THEY CAN ACTUALLY GO FORWARD AND TRY TO GET THIS THIS FUNDED.
LET ME GO INTO THE 25.2 ACRES YOU MENTIONED, DR.
PEREZ. I THINK THAT WAS ON SLIDE TEN.
WHO ACTUALLY DESIGNED THE BOULEVARD OPTION? WAS THAT DESIGNED INTERNALLY WITH TXDOT? YES, TXDOT DESIGNED IT.
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IF ANOTHER ENTITY LOOKED THAT'S NOT TXDOT LOOKED AT SOME BOULEVARD TYPE OPTIONS OR OTHER OPTIONS, MORE LAND COULD BE OPENED UP BEYOND JUST 25 ACRES? POTENTIALLY, YES.
OKAY. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE COULD LIVE AROUND THE I-345 AREA UNDER THE BOULEVARD OPTION OR SIMILAR OPTION VERSUS THE TRENCH OPTION? IT'S A HOUSING QUESTION.
AND AGAIN, SIR, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT INITIAL ANALYSIS OR THAT ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS.
AND THAT'S THE CORE OF MY ISSUE WITH THIS.
THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT NEEDS A SECOND ROUND? ANYBODY ELSE THAT NEEDS A SECOND ROUND? NOPE. CHAIR MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? I DO. I MOVE TO RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF TXDOT'S RECOMMENDED HYBRID PLAN TO THE FULL COUNCIL.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? MR. MORENO. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'D LIKE TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS TITLE 6 CHALLENGES.
I JUST WANT TO GET ATTORNEY'S ADVISEMENT ON TITLE 6.
SURE. LET ME GO CONFER WITH THE ATTORNEYS.
YES. YES, CHAIR, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE CHALLENGES TO TITLE 6 WITH THE RECOMMENDED MOTION.
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VERY GOOD. LET ME GO CONFER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS AND I'LL BE RIGHT BACK.SO AT THIS TIME, THAT REQUEST WILL BE DENIED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF THAT ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT, AND WITH THIS MOTION, IT DOESN'T WORK WITH THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REQUEST THAT WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR THE FULL BRIEFING WHEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL.
DO WE KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO GET HERE? I THINK THE ISSUE IS THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM NOT HAVING THE STAFF HERE.
IT'S THAT IT'S NOT GERMANE TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
THAT'S THE ISSUE. SO YOU'D HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT BRIEFING WHEN WE'RE IN THE BODY OF THE WHOLE.
UNTIL WEDNESDAY, YOU COULD REQUEST THAT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY TO HAVE THAT PREPARED.
VERY GOOD. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
SAY NO, AND MR. ATKINS, HOW DO YOU VOTE? YES. WITH THE AYES BEING FOR AND THE OPPOSED BEING.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH EVERYBODY.
SO WITH THE AYES BEING FIVE AND THE NO'S BEING TWO, THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE HYBRID STUDY OPTION MOVES FORWARD TO FULL COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
WE NOW MOVE ON TO ITEM F, WHICH IS THE MOTION FOR I'M SORRY, THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM ANY OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THE MEMO? CHAIR I'M SORRY. CHAIR WILLIS, I APOLOGIZE.
SURE. I MEAN, THIS IS JUST TO REITERATE THE NEED TO INCLUDE A GREATER SET OF DATA FINDINGS, EXPLORATION ANALYSIS THAT DOES NOT JUST FOCUS ON THE NUCLEUS OF THE PROJECT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND WHY THERE WAS FOCUS THERE FROM TXDOT"S STANDPOINT, BUT TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN NOW AND 2045 AND BEYOND, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THESE PLANS THAT IN ASKING ABOUT, DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN FULLY EXPLORED AND MODELED TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF THAT ASPECT ONTO THIS RECOMMENDATION.
WE'LL MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT, MA'AM.
IS THAT ALL? CHAIR WILLIS? YEP. CHAIR SCHULTZ.
YES. IN MOVING FORWARD, I DO THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE FOR OUR MOTION WHEN WE DISCUSS IT ON WEDNESDAY THAT ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE COMMITTED TO BY EVERYONE THAT WAS HERE IN TERMS OF THAT, THAT BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR MOTION IN TERMS OF THE HYBRID MODEL, PLEASE.
AND THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? YES, MA'AM. WE'LL DO. VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU. WELL, IT APPEARS THERE'S SOME CONFLICTS WITH THIS FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO AND OUR PREVIOUS MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDED HYBRID PLAN AS THE MEMO ASKS FOR A DELAY ON THAT VOTE.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT DEPENDING ON THE BUCKETS OF FEDERAL FUNDS AND WHERE THEY COME FROM COULD HELP US DETERMINE WHAT THINGS COULD BE. MEANING IF WE GET SOME GRANTS THAT ARE VERY FOCUSED ON PARKS AND PERHAPS WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER WHAT KIND OF PARKS COULD BE THERE.
IF WE GET SOME THAT ARE FOCUSED ON DENSITY, IT MIGHT BE HOUSING, AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT CERTAINTY, BUT IT'S NOT POSSIBLE RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT IS POSSIBLE IS TO AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO SECURE THE FUNDING THAT WE MOST CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO REDO $1 BILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, WHICH MAY EVEN BE MORE THAN THAT BY THE TIME IT ACTUALLY GETS DONE, WHICH WAS REALLY WHERE MY QUESTIONS WERE GOING ABOUT THE FINANCES.
SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO AS IT IS.
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IT HASN'T CHANGED THE AMOUNT OF FREIGHT THAT'S GOING ON THE HIGHWAY, HAS IT? IT HAS NOT. OKAY, AND THEN ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE DOWN HERE THAT DIDN'T USE TO, I'M ASSUMING, ARE AVAILING THEMSELVES OF AMAZON AND OTHER DELIVERY SERVICES.SO IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE DELIVERY TRUCKS THAN THERE EVER HAVE BEEN.
WOULD THAT BE A REASONABLE ASSUMPTION OR IS THAT SOMETHING ANYBODY'S TRACKING? I DON'T KNOW IF THE NUMBER IS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT TRUCK TRAFFIC IS INCREASING.
OKAY. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW THE EXACT NUMBERS OF IF WE'RE AT 180,000 OR 160,000 OR 190,000, NOT SURE THAT MATTERS. WHAT I KNOW IS THAT WHEN I'M ON 345, IT'S CROWDED.
I WOULD LOVE SOMEBODY WHO'S ON ONE OF THESE HIGH RISES ON EITHER SIDE TO DO SOME SORT OF TIME LAPSE VIDEO TO SHOW WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND HOW MANY 18 WHEELERS THERE ARE , BUT BACK TO THIS FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO.
I CAN'T SUPPORT ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF IT.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT I DON'T SUPPORT SOME OF THEM, AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHERE THAT GOES FROM HERE, AND IF THIS MEMO WAS MEANT TO BE RECOMMENDED TO COUNCIL OR JUST TO BE DISCUSSED.
SO ACCORDING TO THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO RULES, A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO IS FIRST SENT TO THE MAYOR.
THE MAYOR HAS 30 DAYS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, BUT HE ALSO HE OR SHE BUT THE MAYOR HAS TO SEND IT TO A COMMITTEE ACCORDING TO THE RULES , AND WE HAVE TO PUT IT ON OUR FIRST AGENDA.
THIS IS OUR FIRST AGENDA MEETING SINCE THE MAYOR FORWARDED THE MEMO TO ME.
SO WE ARE A LITTLE BIT OVER THE 30 DAYS BECAUSE OF JUST WHERE THE MEETING FELL, AND THEN IT IS OUR DUTY AT THAT POINT TO RECOMMEND OR NOT RECOMMEND THIS FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, AND THEN I HAVE TO SEND WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO THE MAYOR.
THEN THE MAYOR PUTS IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE 24TH OF MAY.
SO THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO EITHER SAY WE RECOMMEND THIS FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO OR WE DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO TO BE APPROVED BY THE BODY.
OKAY. WELL, IN THAT CASE, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO NOT RECOMMEND IT TO THE BODY, GIVEN THAT IT CONFLICTS WITH THE PRIOR MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDED HYBRID PLAN. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO NOT RECOMMEND THIS ITEM TO THE FULL BODY.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THERE'S A SECOND.
NOW WE'RE ON THE MOTION TO NOT APPROVE.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION TO NOT TO SEND A NO RECOMMENDATION TO THE MAYOR IN ORDER TO SEND IT FORWARD TO THE FULL BODY? AND.
MR. BAZALDUA I'M SORRY, MR. MORENO. MR. BAZALDUA, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I THINK THAT WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED BEFORE IS THE NEED TO STILL GO WITH A MARKET STUDY.
I DON'T THINK THAT THESE NEED TO BE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, AND I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO AND THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION IS REQUIRES THAT AS SUCH.
SO IF WE WERE TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO, I GUESS, REWORD A DIRECTIVE IF WHETHER THROUGH RESOLUTION OR WHATEVER IT IS THE BEST ROUTE THAT WOULD NOT HAVE STIPULATIONS ON APPROVING A STUDY THAT WOULD THEN REQUIRE A DELAY OF MOVING FORWARD WITH DIRECTION, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED WITH THE PREVIOUS ITEM.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. DID YOU WANT COMMENT BACK FROM.
OKAY. THEY'RE DISCUSSING SOON.
THEY'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER HERE IN A SECOND.
JUST SO EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC KNOWS WE'RE LETTING STAFF DISCUSS THEIR RESPONSE TO MR. BAZALDUA COMMENTS JUST NOW.
COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA. SO I WAS JUST CONFERRING WITH CEASON.
IF WE GO DOWN THE ROUTE OF DOING A STUDY SAY THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTS THE RESOLUTION FOR HYBRID, IF WE GO DOWN THE ROUTE OF DOING A STUDY AND IT COMES BACK AND WE DETERMINE, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE INSTEAD OF THE HYBRID WE WANT TO DO, WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE ELEVATED OPTION, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH AT THAT POINT TXDOT WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT ROUTE.
SO, I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AS FAR AS IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROUTE WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
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NECESSARY, BASED ON THE STUDY FINDINGS.IF I COULD ASK AND MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THIS CONVERSATION PRIOR TO THE BRIEFING ON WEDNESDAY, IF WE GO DOWN THIS STUDY AND WE SAY WE GIVE COUNCIL GIVES SUPPORT FOR THE HYBRID RESOLUTION AND WE DO THIS STUDY AND IT'S DETERMINED THAT WE'LL GET, I DON'T KNOW, MORE HOUSING OUT OF AN ELEVATED VERSUS THE HYBRID OR IF WE GET MORE PARKS OUT OF YOU KNOW, BOULEVARD OR SOMETHING VERSUS THE HYBRID. I GUESS FOR US, WHAT WOULD BE I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE THE SENSE OF DOING THAT? I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THE STUDY IS GOING TO TELL US BASED UPON THE HYBRID, WHAT MIX OF PARKS, WHAT MIX OF HOUSING, WHAT MIX OF COMMERCIAL AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE STUDY IS GOING TO TELL US THAT.
IT ALSO GIVES US IT SHOULD ALSO GIVE US AN ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR BOTH OPTIONS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST US, WHAT OUR RETURN CAN BE, WHAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, ETCETERA.
WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE SCOPE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WANTS THROUGH THE STUDY.
FOR US, THE WAY THAT THIS IS WRITTEN, IT'S ESSENTIALLY TO GIVE AN EVALUATION OF THE OPTIONS, AND SO THE MARKET STUDY IS GOING TO TELL US IF COUNCIL SAYS GO DOWN THE ROUTE OF THE HYBRID.
OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THE BEST OPTIONS FOR THE USE OF LAND BASED UPON THE BEST OPTIONS FOR THE USE OF LAND, WHETHER IT BE PARKS, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN'S POINT, WHETHER IT BE PARKS OR WE WANT TO DO SOME KIND OF PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, IT'S GOING TO TELL US, YOU KNOW, THE MIX OF THE SURPLUS, THE MIX OF THE CAPS AND THE POTENTIAL FUNDING OPTIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE USES.
SO THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO, I DON'T KNOW, GET BACK FINDINGS FROM THE STUDY THAT CHANGED MY MIND, FOR INSTANCE, OR OTHERS THAT ARE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE HYBRID OPTION WHERE WE ARE NOW, IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE AND THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE'RE SEARCHING FOR A POSSIBILITY OF ENTICING US TO GO IN ANOTHER DIRECTION, WHICH WAS THE BOULEVARDS, THAT'S ALREADY SOMETHING THAT'S OFF THE TABLE FROM TXDOT.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE? I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED THEM TO BE ON BOARD IF WE END UP CHANGING IT AFTER THE FINDINGS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO DO THIS.
SO IF THE FINDINGS END UP COMING TO US AND GIVE US THE ABILITY AND THE AUTONOMY TO PULL OUT FROM WHAT WE WANTED AND WHAT WE'RE AT, I'M NOT EXPECTING THE FINDINGS TO CHANGE MY MIND ON THAT OTHER OPTION, BUT IT STILL GIVES US THE ABILITY TO BACK OUT BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW WE'RE FOOTING THE BILL THERE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US TODAY.
HOWEVER, AND I'M SURE YOU'LL GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON WEDNESDAY, AND THEN AGAIN, JUST KEEP IN MIND THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS COULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT STAFF CAN DO AS FAR AS PUTTING INTO THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THE HYBRID OPTION TO BE INCLUSIVE OF A CLAUSE THAT ALLOWS US THAT AUTONOMY.
IN ADDITION TO PUTTING IN THIS MARKET STUDY WITH SPECS THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THIS COMMITTEE TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT ORIGINAL RESOLUTION, INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO SEPARATE ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN TO GET US TO THE SAME PLACE? YEAH, WE CAN WORK ON THAT AND TRY TO GET THAT IN BEFORE THE DRAFT OR BEFORE THE AGENDA IS POSTED.
OKAY. THANK YOU, DR. PEREZ. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.
I'M NOT SURE WHO WAS NEXT, AND CHAIR SCHULTZ, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AND CHAIR ATKINS ALSO WANTS.
I GOT YOU, MR. ATKINS I WANT TO CLARIFY.
SO WE THIS COMMITTEE JUST NOW MOVED FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE COUNCIL VOTE ON THE HYBRID OPTION, AND WE ALSO AGREED THAT WE WOULD DO A FULL ROUND STUDY OF THE IMPACT BASED ON ALL THE OTHER STUDIES AND THE MARKET AND EVERYTHING.
BUT JUST WITH THE HYBRID, THAT'S WHAT WAS ALREADY PASSED BY THIS COMMITTEE.
IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CHAIR? OKAY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN ITEM F WOULD SAY IF WE PASS THAT ALSO, IT WOULD SAY THAT ARE YOU RECOMMENDING CHAIR BAZALDUA THAT COMING TO COUNCIL WOULD SAY, AND WE WANT YOU TO DO A SIMILAR STUDY ALSO PARALLEL TO THIS FOR THE FOR THE BOULEVARD OPTION AND THEN REALIZING THAT IF THE BOULEVARD OPTION EVIDENCE WAS SO OVERWHELMINGLY THE
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SCENARIO WAS SO OBVIOUS TO COUNCIL THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO PUTTING ASIDE ANY LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, PUT ASIDE ALL THE FUNDING AND GO WITH THAT OPTION, BUT THAT THE CITY WOULD PAY FOR THE BOULEVARD RESEARCH BECAUSE ALL THIS OTHER RESEARCH, THE COMMITMENT IS ALSO TO PAY FOR IT FROM COG AND FROM THE STATE BASED ON THE HYBRID MODEL.IS THAT CORRECT? SO LET MR. BAZALDUA RESPOND, BECAUSE SINCE YOU KIND OF ASKED HIM THE QUESTION.
I'LL STOP TALKING AND WAIT FOR AN ANSWER.
WELL, I'M ASKING BECAUSE IF WE APPROVE ITEM F, THAT CONTRADICTS ITEM B.
CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.
SO THE DIRECTION WE'VE GIVEN IN DISCUSSION IS NOT NECESSARILY REFLECTED IN THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVED, BECAUSE WHEN SHE APPROVED IT, SHE APPROVED TO GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT SHE DIDN'T GIVE ANY CAVEATS TO THE STUDY SPECIFICALLY.
SO I BELIEVE THE DIRECTION WE'RE STILL GIVING THEM DIRECTION ON WHAT THAT STUDY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS A COMPARATIVE PIECE, EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THAT IT'S DONE CORRELATING TO THE HYBRID MODEL, BUT FOR US TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF COMPARATIVE DATA WITH HOW THEY'VE PRESENTED IT SO FAR.
CHAIR SCHULTZ YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
NO, BECAUSE THE ITEM F SAYS NO RECOMMENDATION AND WE'VE ALREADY VOTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD.
CORRECT. SO LET ME ANSWER WHAT I THINK I HEARD WAS DURING DISCUSSION OF ITEM B, A LOT OF FOCUS WAS PUT ONTO THE STUDIES THAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN AND STAFF HAS AGREED TO GET THOSE STUDIES THE WAY WE WANT THEM IN THERE.
SO THIS MOTION, KIND OF THIS MOTION TO NOT APPROVE, IN MY OPINION, BASICALLY IS CORRECT BECAUSE IT WOULD COUNTER IT'D BE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO THE MOTION THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED ALREADY.
IT'S ADDING MORE TO BASICALLY STAFF HAS ALREADY AGREED.
STAFF HAS ALREADY AGREED TO THE UPDATES THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED HERE AS A COMMITTEE, AND WHEN WE APPROVED ITEM B, ITEM F IS A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO FROM FIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT TO DO A STUDY INDEPENDENT OF ALL THE OTHER STUDIES, BUT DIDN'T GIVE ANY DIRECTION ON WHICH STUDIES TO LOOK AT, AND SO AND ALSO PUTS A DELAY ON EVERYTHING, AND SO IF WE APPROVE THE MENDELSOHN MOTION DOES NOT ALLOW FOR ANY STOP TO HAPPEN ON THIS SO THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD AND HAVE STUDIES AS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY THIS COMMITTEE ALREADY.
IF WE DENY IF WE DO NOT APPROVE THE MENDELSOHN MOTION, THEN NO, I MEANT FOR ITEM F, I'M SORRY. RIGHT. I'M SORRY.
LET ME LET CHAIR MENDELSOHN SPEAK.
THIS MOTION IS TO NOT SUPPORT THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, BUT IF I CAN JUST SAY FOR PROCESS AND IT'S BECAUSE IT TELLS THE CITY MANAGER NOT TO BRING THAT VOTE FORWARD.
OKAY, BUT IF I CAN SAY FOR PROCESS, WHEN WE HAVE THE BRIEFING ON WEDNESDAY, I WOULD EXPECT MY COLLEAGUES WILL AND I THINK SHOULD, ASK FOR SPECIFIC STUDIES RELATED TO THIS PROJECT THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.
NOW, THE DIFFERENCE AND THE DISAGREEMENT, I THINK, AMONGST COUNCILMEMBERS WOULD BE THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT THOSE STUDIES WILL BE HOW WILL WE EFFECTIVELY USE THE LAND THAT WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO PURCHASE, RECLAIM AND REVITALIZE OUR AREA WITH.
SOME WOULD PREFER THE STUDY BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO THAT'S FOR, I THINK, WEDNESDAY'S DISCUSSION.
WE'VE ALREADY MOVED FORWARD WITH THE HYBRID MODEL RECOMMENDATION.
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IT IS ALREADY IN CONFLICT WITH SOMETHING WE'VE APPROVED.CORRECT. EXCEPT THE ONE FACTOR.
ITEM B DID INCORPORATE THE ITEM B AND WHAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL INCORPORATED THE COMMITMENT TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE EXISTING STUDIES AND PLANS THAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE AS PART OF THE PLANNING FOR THE HYBRID MODEL.
I'M SORRY, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION SAID IT DID.
CHAIR? I THINK THAT WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING.
THE MOTION ITSELF WASN'T INCLUSIVE OF THE DIRECTION, BUT WE'VE GIVEN CLEAR DIRECTION OF WHAT? BECAUSE THEY MENTIONED THAT IF WE GIVE THEM THE RECOMMENDATION OF WHICH OPTION TO GO WITH THAT, THIS IS.
YEAH, AND I THINK THAT WE'LL GET THAT IN WRITING AS WELL ON WEDNESDAY.
YEAH. SO I THINK THIS WAS A BUMPY ROAD TO GET TO WHAT I THINK HAS HAPPENED.
SO I SEE STAFF NODDING THEIR HEAD, BUT DR.
YES, SIR. AS PART OF THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE AND APPROVED AS PART OF THE RESOLUTION, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE THE MARKET STUDY, WHICH WE WILL EVALUATE LAND USE OF.
SO WE GOT TO STAY ON ITEM F, SO FOR APPROVAL, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO NOT RECOMMEND TO REMEMBER, WE'RE NOT WE'RE SENDING A NO RECOMMENDATION.
SO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE RULES THAT WERE APPROVED BY THIS BODY.
MR. MORENO, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AT THIS POINT.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.
I APPRECIATE MY COLLEAGUES TRYING TO HAVE SOME WILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE AND TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED, BUT I HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR THAT TXDOT WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY OTHER OPTION BUT THE HYBRID OPTION.
SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT QUESTIONS WE ASK AND WHAT THE OUTCOME IS.
THE DIRECTION FROM TXDOT FOR ME SEEMS THAT IT'S THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF A HYBRID REGARDLESS, AND SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION BEFORE US.
FOR OUR LEGAL TEAM I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE MOTION THAT WAS JUST ADOPTED FOR ITEM B.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT REQUIRED A MOTION OR NOT, SINCE IT'S NOT POSTED AS AN ACTION ITEM.
BERT VANDENBERG, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY.
THEY'LL GO TO COUNCIL ANYWAYS.
I WOULD HATE TO USE THE EXPRESSION NO HARM, NO FOUL, BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARY NOW, AND GENERALLY THEY DO NOT RECEIVE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT IT IS THE PRACTICE OF COMMITTEES TO OCCASIONALLY DO SO.
MR. CHAIRMAN. ATKINS, YOU NOW HAVE THE FLOOR.
PEREZ, I SPOKE TO YOU EARLIER TODAY AND I ASKED YOU, WAS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE HAD TO MAKE A MOTION? YOU TOLD ME YES.
IS THAT, THAT I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.
THAT WAS FOR THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, SIR.
OKAY. ARE WE ON THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO? ARE WE ON ITEM B? NO. ITEM B IS ALREADY BEEN MOVED FORWARD.
WE'RE ON ITEM F, WHICH IS THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO, AND THAT'S A VOTING MEMO, RIGHT? SAY THAT AGAIN, MR. ATKINS.
DR. PEREZ SAID THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO IS A VOTING.
RIGHT. AND THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW IS A NO RECOMMENDATION.
RIGHT, AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO CORRECT THE PROCESS.
THERE IS A VOTE ON THE TABLE NOW.
WE ARE IN DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT AND WE WILL VOTE AS SOON AS DISCUSSION IS COMPLETED SIR.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ATKINS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION HERE?
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MR. WEST? I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU TWO MINUTES.I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST A STATEMENT.
I WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THE HYBRID TERMINOLOGY IS A BRILLIANT MARKETING TERM.
IT'S A TRENCH. LET'S JUST BE HONEST WITH OURSELVES.
SECONDLY, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR.
THIS COMMITTEE HAS CHOSEN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRENCH OPTION, WITH NOT TURNING BACK.
MR. WEST, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER.
I NEED YOU TO SPEAK ON ITEM F, WHICH IS THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO.
THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO CALLS FOR A STUDY.
THIS COMMITTEE IS RECOMMENDING THAT THERE'S NO STUDY DONE.
SO THIS GENERATIONAL DECISION, WHICH IS A DECISION THAT WILL IMPACT OUR CITY FOR THE NEXT 70 TO 100 YEARS, IS BEING DECIDED BY THIS COMMITTEE TODAY TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A STUDY THAT IS INDEPENDENT OF TXDOT.
WE WON'T BE HERE WHEN THIS IS REVIEWED BY OUR SUCCESSORS IN 2099, AND THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK BACK ON THIS AND SEE THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS CHOSEN TO MOVE FORWARD, JUMP IN THE CAR WITH TXDOT SUPPORT THE OPTION THAT SUPPORTS CARS OVER EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY, INCLUDING THE ENVIRONMENT, CONNECTING COMMUNITIES, HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WE DID THAT WITHOUT A STUDY.
WE DID THAT WITHOUT AN INDEPENDENT STUDY, AND THIS COMMITTEE JUST DECIDED TO DO THAT.
SO I'M DISAPPOINTED, AND STAFF HAS SAID ONCE WE DO THIS, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK, AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS RECOMMENDATION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN ON WEDNESDAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I'M GOING TO CLOSE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. WEST, AND I APPRECIATE THE FOLKS THAT BROUGHT FORWARD THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO.
IT'S ALWAYS GREAT TO HAVE OPEN DISCUSSION AND DIALOG.
THAT WOULD CAUSE US TO LOSE FUNDING, NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET FUNDING, AND THE OTHER REASON FOR ME BEING IN OPPOSITION OF IT IS BECAUSE IT WASN'T CLEAR WHICH OPTION WE WERE STUDYING, AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER REASON, IS THAT IT WAS NO CLEAR STUDY OF THE THREE THAT WE WERE BROUGHT, WHICH IT SHOULD BE STUDYING, AND I THINK THAT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE TO A STUDY.
WHICH STUDY DO WE BRING? WHAT ARE WE BRINGING FORWARD? AND THEN MY LAST ONE HAD TO DO WITH THE BIGGEST ONE IS THE FUNDING.
WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET FUNDING FOR ANY OF THESE OPTIONS? I MEAN, TO PAY FOR THE STUDY, THERE WAS NO PLACE IN THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT SAID WHERE THE MONEY WAS GOING TO COME FROM, HOW MUCH THE MONEY, HOW MUCH THE STUDY WAS GOING TO BE, AND WHO WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THE INDEPENDENT STUDY.
SO THOSE ARE MY THREE REASONS FOR BEING IN OPPOSITION FOR IT.
AGAIN, I LIKE THE IDEA WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT SO THAT WE HAVE CLEAR DIRECTION FOR STAFF, AND IF WE WERE TO DO AN INDEPENDENT STUDY, WE STILL CAN, BUT THAT ONE, I WOULD SUPPORT AN INDEPENDENT STUDY THAT DOESN'T DELAY ANY OF THE THINGS THAT NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT DOESN'T DELAY FUNDING, AND THEN NUMBER THREE, THAT SHOWED A CLEAR, CONCISE STUDY AND WITH FUNDING AND HOW WE WERE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.
IF THOSE THREE THINGS WERE IN THERE, THEN I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE SUPPORTING IT.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AT THIS TIME.
WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO NOT RECOMMEND THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO TO THE MAYOR WHO WILL THEN PUT IT ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA ON MAY 24TH. PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING NO.
THE AYES HAVE IT IN A VOTE OF 5 TO 2 TO NOT RECOMMEND THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO TO THE MAYOR.
I DO HAVE JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, I HAVE BOTH READY TO GO.
YES AND NO, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN HERE.
SO I WILL BE FORWARDING THE NO RECOMMEND NOT TO NOT RECOMMEND TO THE MAYOR, AND THEN WE WILL CC THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE SO THAT YOU ALL CAN SEE THAT, AND THEN THE MAYOR WILL PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN, AND WHEN WE VOTE ON THE 24TH ON IT.
WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD.
SO BRIEFING MEMORANDUMS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO START.
LET'S MOVE TO LETTER G AND LETTER I.
THOSE ARE THE TWO STAFF MEMBERS THAT HAVE TO GO.
SO LETTERS G AND LETTER I, IF WE CAN GET THOSE, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS EARLIER.
CHAIR MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT G.
THIS IS THE KIOSKS? YES. ACTUALLY, WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED, I WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THIS BECAUSE I THINK THE KIOSKS ARE AN EYESORE, AND I HAD ATTENDED
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AT SOME POINT SMART CITIES AND SEEING THE DIGITAL KIOSKS, WHICH I THINK ARE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT AND COULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL FOR OUR CITY, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND OUT, ALTHOUGH I CANNOT FIND THE DOCUMENT ABOUT THE ROUND HORRIBLE KIOSKS, THE STATIC KIOSKS.SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU CAN TELL US SORT OF THE STATUS OF THAT OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT, INCLUDING HOW MANY DO WE HAVE AND SORT OF WHAT THE TERMS ARE FOR THIS? GOOD AFTERNOON DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CURRENT CONTRACT WILL EXPIRE IN 2026 AND THIS RFP IS FOR THE CONSULTANT TO BRING US THE IDEAS OF WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THE CITY, FOR THE NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY HAVE, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAD THE OTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS? SO HOW MANY ARE THERE? WE HAVE 137 STRUCTURES IN THE CITY, BASICALLY, AND THE WAY THE REVENUE WORKS FOR THIS KIOSK IS BASED ON THE PHASE THAT THEY HAVE.
ONE IS DEDICATED TO THE CITY, TWO IS FOR THE COMPANY, FOR ADVERTISEMENT, BASICALLY, AND I THINK FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE HAVE GENERATED SOMETHING AROUND $550,000 PER YEAR IN AVERAGE.
IF THERE IS ANY OTHER QUESTION I CAN ANSWER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GETTING AN ANNUAL PAYMENT OF 550,000 APPROXIMATELY.
APPROXIMATELY. AND WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? I BELIEVE IT GOES BACK TO GENERAL FUND.
SO THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SOME INPUT ABOUT THIS.
NUMBER ONE ARE YOU REQUESTING ARE YOU LEAVING IT OPEN FOR THE PROPOSERS TO SAY HOW MANY THEY'D LIKE TO PUT OUT AND WHERE THEY WOULD GO? WELL AS A PART OF RFP, I BELIEVE, AND AGAIN, THIS RFP WILL BE ADVERTISED.
COULD YOU JUST MOVE THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE? SURE. ABSOLUTELY. SORRY.
AND SO. OKAY, WELL, WHATEVER X IS ON THE NUMBER.
I MEAN, ARE WE TELLING THEM LIKE WE HAVE AREAS THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF TOURISTS THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS? THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE THE LOCATION FOR THE KIOSK, SO WE HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE TO APPROVE THEM.
WE ALSO HAVE THE MINIMUM PERCENTAGE FOR THE EQUITY AREA ALSO AS A PART OF RFP.
SO I'LL JUST GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IN DISTRICT 12, WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE IN THE MOST RIDICULOUS PLACES EVER, AND I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BE USEFUL IN SOME LOCATIONS, BUT IT'S JUST ABSOLUTELY UNKNOWN WHY IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE THERE'S THIS KIOSK.
SO WOULD YOU THEN BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED? COUNCIL MEMBER. SO YES, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.
KEEP IN MIND THAT A LOT OF THE REVENUE GENERATION IS BASED UPON FOR THE VENDOR IS BASED UPON ADVERTISEMENTS, SO THEY WOULD LOOK FOR THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS LOCATIONS THAT THEIR ADVERTISING COULD GENERATE REVENUE FOR THEM.
GO AHEAD, MA'AM. AND WOULD COMMUNITIES HAVE INPUT ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT THIS NEAR THEM? WELL, THE LOCATIONS WILL BE AT THE COMMERCIAL AREA, I GUESS NOT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST AN RFP FOR THEM TO PROVIDE US WHAT KIND OF TECHNOLOGY THEY HAVE TO PRESENT.
WE CAN FIRM UP ALL THE DETAILS IN THE CONTRACT IN THE FUTURE CONTRACT.
OKAY. SO THE SECOND THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE ACTUAL DOLLARS.
AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE LOOK AT PROPOSALS THAT WOULD GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER THAT MILLION DOLLAR OPERATIONAL EXPENSE. I'M SORRY THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WEST ISN'T HERE AT THIS MOMENT, BECAUSE I KNOW HE WOULD LOVE THAT.
IS THAT POSSIBLE? YES, MA'AM. WE CAN LOOK INTO IT TO SEE.
WE HAVE TO TALK TO THE BUDGET OFFICE, OF COURSE, BUT, YEAH, WE WILL LOOK INTO IT.
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AND ARE YOU LOOKING FOR PROPOSALS THAT HAVE A DYNAMIC NUMBER OF UNITS? MEANING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 150 UNITS AND WE WOULD GET 750,000 AND THERE'S 250 UNITS AND WE WOULD GET 1.3 MILLION. I MEAN, IS THERE SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THAT'S A REVENUE MODEL THAT THE CONSULTANT WILL PROVIDE TO US AND WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW BASED ON THOSE METRICS, BASICALLY, BUT YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO RECEIVE THOSE NUMBERS OR THOSE MODELS THROUGH THE RFP.AND THEN I DON'T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD OF COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA HERE, BUT I MEAN, WILL WE HAVE THEM IN PLACES LIKE FAIR PARK? WILL WE HAVE THEM IN SOME OF OUR MORE DEEP ELLUM, BISHOP ARTS? WE HAVE THEM IN PLACES WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF TOURISTY ACTIVITIES.
SO VERY OFTEN THESE KIOSKS ALSO PROVIDE CAMERAS AND OTHER KINDS OF SMART RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, WI-FI ACCESS. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE AS SCORING ITEMS? ALL OF THE ABOVE.
OF COURSE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE TWO AGENDA ITEMS? CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS ON THE LOCATIONS.
I THINK THAT WE ARE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND THE MARK IN GETTING THESE OUT ON OUR STREETS, AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE A HUGE ADDITION WITH ALL OF THE MULTITUDE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN BE INCLUSIVE OF IT. I DO JUST WANT TO STRESS AND I KNOW I'VE TOLD YOU ALL THIS BEFORE THAT THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU ALL ARE PUTTING IN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THURSDAY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT DISCRETION TO BE OURS.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT THAT OFF ON KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OUR SCOOTER VENDORS.
I'D LIKE FOR THE DISCRETION TO REALLY BE ON OUR COUNCIL, IF YOU WILL, HOWEVER THAT RATIO LOOKS, BUT FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION, AND IF THE VENDOR LOOKS AT THOSE AS LOSS LEADERS, WHATEVER, HOWEVER THAT IS WORKED OUT TO THE MODEL TO BE FEASIBLE, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GIVE A BLANKETED EXPECTATION OF EQUITY AND SAY THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE IS GOING TO BE EXPECTED TO BE OUTSIDE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THAT STILL IS DEPENDENT ON THEIR PROFITABILITY AND BUSINESS MODEL INSTEAD OF WHERE WE BELIEVE THEY COULD BE MOST USEFUL FOR THE RESIDENTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT, PLEASE.
VERY GOOD. CHAIR MENDELSOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT I.
SURE. ANYBODY ELSE ON G? MR. MORENO GO AHEAD AND THEN I'LL GET YOU CHAIR MENDELSOHN THANK YOU.
AS WE LOOK AT OUR DOWNTOWN PLANNING AND OUR SIDEWALKS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE REINTRODUCING AND RELAUNCHING SCOOTERS BACK INTO DOWNTOWN DEEP ELLUM AREA, THAT WE'RE PUTTING THESE APPROPRIATELY PLACED SO THAT WE'RE NOT CAUSING DISRUPTION TO THE FLOW OF.
AND I KNOW SCOOTERS ARE GOING TO BE ON THE ROADS, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING AHEAD, AND WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE THE NOTE HERE OF HAVING 20% INSTALLED IN AREAS OF EQUITY.
WITH THAT SAME NOTION I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CONCENTRATING THE OTHER 80% IN JUST A ONE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVER POLLUTED WITH SIGNS IN ONE GENERAL AREA.
AS ALI MENTIONED, SIR, THE 160, 170 STRUCTURES, I MEAN, THOSE ARE ACROSS THE CITY.
MS. MENDELSOHN MENTIONED A FEW THAT WERE OUT IN HER DISTRICT.
SO THEY'RE OUT THERE AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY'RE NOT CONCENTRATED IN ONE LOCATION.
CHAIR WILLIS DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ON LETTER G? JUST REAL QUICK, AND I KNOW THIS IS AN RFP, SO BUT I'M THINKING OF WHAT'S THE STANDARD MODEL FOR EXPOSURE AND IMPRESSIONS? IS THIS ARE THESE VENDORS I MEAN, GENERALLY LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF IMPRESSIONS FROM SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE DRIVING BY, YOU KNOW, BEGGING FOR A BUSY STREET
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OR THE NUMBER OF INTERACTIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE WITH THIS KIOSK THAT YOU CAN GET INFORMATION FROM.COUNCIL MEMBER I'M NOT SURE IF I FOLLOW THE QUESTION.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GENERATING OF THE REVENUE FOR THEM OR.
YEAH, I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO.
YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO PLACE THEM IN AREAS THAT ARE MEANINGFUL FOR THEM, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS, IS THAT I MEAN, THERE ARE BUSY STREETS WHERE THEY CAN GENERATE TENS OF THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF EYES ON THEIR ADS, BUT IS THERE ALSO A COMPONENT FOR HOW MUCH USE IT'S GETTING? I MEAN, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'LL NEED TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE ANYWAY.
I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NO GENERAL SENSE OF HOW WHAT THAT REVENUE.
QUOTE UNQUOTE. THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARD.
IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM.
THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, I WANT THIS AND THIS KIND OF LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GENERATE LOTS OF PEOPLE DRIVING BY TO SEE THIS AD VERSUS WHAT WE MIGHT WANT, WHICH IS I WANT LOTS OF PEOPLE ABLE TO GO UP AND TOUCH THIS TO FIND OUT ABOUT SERVICES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED WHAT LOCATION THEY HAVE TO INSTALL IT AT THIS POINT.
THEY HAVE MINIMUM NUMBERS THAT THEY HAVE TO INSTALL IN THE CITY.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE PROPOSAL OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO INSTALL IT IN THESE TYPE OF AREAS AND THE CITY IS GOING TO REVIEW IT AND SAY IF THEY AGREE OR NOT AT THAT POINT, IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER MATRIX THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, MAYBE NOT THIS AREA, WE CAN FOCUS ON ANOTHER AREA, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS. SO IT'LL COME BACK TO US AND THAT WAY.
AND THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE OLD ONES? THOSE ROUND THINGS? YEAH. AS I MENTIONED, THE CONTRACT WILL EXPIRE IN 2026.
AT THAT POINT, THE CITY CAN DECIDE WHETHER IF WE WANT TO RENEW IT OR CANCEL THAT CONTRACT .
MAYBE ANOTHER COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE THEM.
DO WE OWN THEM? [LAUGHTER] OKAY.
MR. ATKINS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON LETTER G? NONE. CHAIR MENDELSOHN LETTER I.
OKAY, I'M SORRY. I DID HAVE ONE MORE THING ON G AND THAT IS MY QUESTION IS IF IT COULD CO-LOCATE WITH ANY OF THE DART BUS STOPS AND IF IT COULD INTEGRATE WITH THEIR TECHNOLOGY TO LET RIDERS KNOW WHEN THE BUS IS COMING OR IF IT'S DELAYED.
THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS ACTUALLY ON THAT ONE.
YES, MA'AM, AND THEN WOULD DART PARTICIPATE IN THAT IN ANY WAY FINANCIALLY? SO WE SHOULDN'T BE PAYING FOR THESE COUNCIL MEMBER.
I DON'T PLAN ON SHARING ANY REVENUE WITH THEM IF IT'S IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A LIST OF BUS STATIONS THAT HAVE HIGH FREQUENCY OF RIDERS AND SOME THAT ACTUALLY HAVE NO RIDERS, WHICH IS KIND OF SHOCKING.
SO IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO PUT THESE AT BUS STOPS THAT HAVE HIGH RIDERSHIP, I THINK THIS WOULD BE EXTREMELY USEFUL AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT, AND I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO BE GETTING THE AD REVENUE TO DISPLAY THEIR INFORMATION.
SO MY QUESTION ON I IS; I JUST REMAIN CONCERNED ABOUT THE DOLLARS SPENT THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS, AND I KNOW TWO MONTHS AGO I ASKED ABOUT THIS AS WELL, BUT YOUR MEMO SAYS THAT YOU'VE SPENT 16% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND SEVEN MONTHS, AND SO I'M SUPER CONCERNED BECAUSE HERE WE ARE PREPARING TO ASK OUR VOTERS TO SUPPORT A BOND FOR STREETS, WHICH I THINK UNIVERSALLY ACROSS THE CITY.
YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. WHAT'S HAPPENING? IF YOU NOTICE, WE ALSO ADDED THE PERCENTAGE BASED ON THE PROJECT COMPLETION, WHICH IS ALMOST 30% AT THIS POINT.
IF AGAIN, YOU NOTICE WE COMBINE MARCH AND APRIL INTO THIS MEMO.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION FOR MARCH.
FOR APRIL, WE JUST HAD IT TILL MARCH.
SO THERE IS ONE MONTH LAGGING ON THE FINANCIAL REPORT THAT WE HAVE HERE.
SO NOT ALL THE FINANCE THAT YOU SEE HERE HAS BEEN CAPTURED, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO SHOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE IN APRIL, WHICH IN APRIL BY ITSELF WE COMPLETED 112 LANE MILES, WHICH WAS A VERY GOOD NUMBER FOR THE MONTH.
ACTUALLY. I'M VERY POSITIVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FINISH IT THIS YEAR.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ALI.
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WE WILL NOW BRING UP PATRICK CARRENO, THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION.LET'S, KNOCK OUT LETTER H REALLY QUICK SINCE WE CAN GET ALL THE MEMORANDUMS OUT OF THE WAY, WHICH IS A IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IT'S AN AFTER ACTION REPORT AT DALLAS EXECUTIVE AIRPORT THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED THERE.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON LETTER H AT THIS POINT, MR. ATKINS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NONE FROM MR. ATKINS.
CHAIR WILLIS YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? YES. THANK YOU.
SO I'M LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE BASED ON THE INDEPENDENT REPORT, AND THE FIRST ONE IS ABOUT COMPLETING ADVANCED INCIDENT COMMAND SYSTEM TRAINING, AND IT SAYS THE RESPONSE IS THE DEPARTMENT POLICY HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED TO INCLUDE NEW AND EXISTING DEPARTMENT MANAGEMENT STAFF RECEIVE THIS TRAINING.
HAS THAT HAPPENED OR WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THAT HAPPENING? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER.
WE CONTINUE TO UPDATE OUR POLICIES, BUT THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.
THAT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS AS NEW PEOPLE COME INTO THE DEPARTMENT.
OKAY, AND THEN THE CONCLUSION SAYS THAT THE FINDINGS SAY THAT THIS WAS NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE RESPONSE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COMMAND CENTER THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE, AND THEN A SPECIAL ACTION HAD TO BE TAKEN TO GET THEM SOMEPLACE ELSE.
SO I JUST FOUND THAT INCONGRUENT, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? I MEAN, LIABILITY WISE, THAT MAY BE AN ISSUE.
COUNCIL MEMBER ESSENTIALLY, I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES DURING AN EMERGENCY LIKE THIS, IT CAN GET CHAOTIC IN THERE, AND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS JUST ESTABLISH A PROCEDURE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE LISTED THERE, ESPECIALLY OEM, AND THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION GIVEN THAT THERE IS SOME OF THE INCIDENT WAS ON THE FIELD AND SOME WAS OFF THE FIELD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER AIRSHOWS SCHEDULED FOR THAT AIRPORT? THERE'S NOT AN AIRSHOW SCHEDULED.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR MENDELSOHN.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I WAS WAITING TO PUSH MY LIGHT TO SEE IF CHAIR WILLIS WAS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY THERE, BUT ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE A DEADLINE.
COUNCIL MEMBER THESE ARE BEING ADOPTED WITHIN OUR EMERGENCY PLAN.
SO THIS WOULD BE IN THE DEPARTMENT EMERGENCY PLANS.
THIS WOULD BE PROCESSES THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, SOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE MAKING AND IMPLEMENTING THOSE AS THEY COME THROUGH.
THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY OF WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THERE'S A LOT BEHIND THE SCENES, ESPECIALLY ON THE EMERGENCY PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER WITH OUR OEM AVIATION.
AND WHEN WOULD YOU EXPECT ALL OF THAT WOULD BE COMPLETE? WE HAVE WE'VE RECENTLY BROUGHT IN NEW EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT STAFF.
THEY'RE UPDATING OUR POLICIES AS WELL.
THEY'RE FINALIZING THIS REPORT RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD EXPECT EVERYTHING WOULD BE IN PLAY BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND THEN WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH US TO LET US KNOW THAT'S HAPPENED? WE CAN DO THAT, YES.
VERY GOOD. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO FINALLY AFTER I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DELAYED THIS TWO MONTHS OR JUST A MONTH, BUT LETTER C IS A PRESENTATION TRANSPORTATION REGULATION UPDATE, AND THIS IS INTERESTING, FOLKS, WHEN YOU SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT FARES.
SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE THINK OF AS THE AIRPORT, BUT IT FALLS UNDER THE AIRPORT.
THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, AND AGAIN, PATRICK CARRENO, THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF AVIATION.
TRANSPORTATION REGULATION, DOES FALL UNDER AVIATION, AND SO WE HAVE THAT DIVISION, AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH TRANSPORTATION REGULATION, AND PARTICULARLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RATE ADJUSTMENT AND A PROPOSAL FOR AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS MOVING FORWARD, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE NEXT STEPS. JUST SOME OF THE HISTORY.
THE LAST RATE ADJUSTMENT WAS DECEMBER OF 2014.
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NEXT SLIDE. TRANSPORTATION REGULATION.WE OPERATE, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WITHIN AVIATION, BUT WE DO OVERSEE TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRE.
SOME OF THE ORDINANCES, CHAPTER FIVE, OBVIOUSLY AIRCRAFT AND AIRPORTS.
WE HAVE A NUMEROUS COURTESY COMPANIES, EMERGENCY VEHICLES, SO AMBULANCES, EMERGENCY WRECKERS, THOSE WOULD COME THROUGH THE TRANSPORTATION REGULATION OFFICE. AND 47 A WHICH WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS, RECOMMENDING AN UPDATE TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE TAXIS.
WE ALSO DO VEHICLE TOW SERVICE, PRIVATE TOWING AND VEHICLE MOBILIZATION SERVICE.
WE GO THROUGH ABOUT 3000 DRIVER COMPANY AND VEHICLE PERMITS ANNUALLY.
ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S COME UP IN THE PAST IS HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE PERMIT, AND WE'VE RECEIVED ONE COMPLAINT IN 2022.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMITTEE ENDORSEMENT TO UPDATE THE RATE.
SAN ANTONIO RECENTLY UPPED THEIRS IN NOVEMBER, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE AT THE HIGHEST.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BENCHMARK OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS.
FORT WORTH ACTUALLY IS WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW.
WE DID WORK WITH THE TAXI STAKEHOLDERS.
A REQUEST WAS MADE BY THE STAKEHOLDERS AND WE DID DO SOME BENCHMARKING AND LOOKED AT OUR FEES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE COSTS, ESPECIALLY THE COST OF LIVING OVER THE LAST NINE YEARS, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, 25% INCREASE IN THE COST OF LIVING SINCE 2014, AND THE CPI HAS GONE UP AS WELL SINCE 2014.
WITH THAT WE'VE WE CAME UP WITH A RATE THAT WE THINK IS ALIGNED WITH THE CURRENT COST OF LIVING, WITH THE DROP FEE GOING UP TO $3, THE CHARGE PER MILE TO 280, AND THEN A REFLECTION ON THE FLAT RATES TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT FROM BOTH LOVE AND DALLAS FORT WORTH INTERNATIONAL AND ALSO DALLAS MARKET CENTER.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO REVISE THE QUALITY STANDARDS TXDOT OUR DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY DOES PROVIDE SOME STANDARDS, BUT THIS GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND TO ESPECIALLY ALIGN WITH OUR OTHER TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRES TO ENSURE THAT THE CABS ARE MEETING THOSE STANDARDS.
SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE THOSE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 47 A OF THE DALLAS CITY CODE, AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE COMMITTEE'S FEEDBACK ON THESE AMENDMENTS, AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE FEEDBACK, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TAKING THIS TO JUNE 14TH CITY COUNCIL , AND I CAN BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S THE FOUR OF US LEFT ON THE COMMITTEE, SO WE HAVE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? WE'LL START WITH CHAIR SCHULTZ.
I JUST HAVE A QUICK ONE, AND THIS MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T NEED THE INFORMATION NOW, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO SEE SOME KIND OF A CHART OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION FOR HIRE THAT WE LICENSE VERSUS THE UBERS AND LYFTS AND HOW THAT'S SHIFTED OVER THE YEARS AND WHERE IT'S HEADING, IN YOUR OPINION? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT NOW, BUT FOR THE JUNE, I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION.
OKAY. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. AND ALSO SORRY IF THERE'S ANY REVENUE AT ALL TO THE CITY IN THIS, IS THERE? YES, THERE'S A CHARGE FOR FEES.
SO WE TRY TO BALANCE THE FEE RATE WITH TO BE SELF-SUSTAINING FOR THE DIVISION.
AND IS IT DOES THAT ALSO APPLY TO THE UBERS AND LYFTS? WE CHARGE A TRIP RATE.
I CAN HAVE MY STAFF, ACTUALLY.
YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW.
[02:10:01]
VERY GOOD CHAIR WILLIS.THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT PAGE SEVEN, AND THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES AND RECOGNIZING THAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE WAS JUST ONE LOCAL COMPLAINT MADE.
WE ARE GETTING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT JUST THE CHANGE IN PRACTICE THAT'S OCCURRING AROUND THE COUNTRY AND HOW A LOT OF THE ANIMALS CAN BE KEPT AND WELL, NOT KEPT IN INHUMANE CONDITIONS, BUT HOW BEING IN TRAFFIC MAY BE AN INHUMANE CONDITION AND CONCERNS AROUND THAT.
SO I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT I'VE GOT SOME STAGING OF THESE GOING ON NEAR SOME RESIDENCES IN DISTRICT 13, AND IT IS VERY UNPLEASANT WHILE THAT PERIOD IS HAPPENING.
SO YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM ME ON THAT ONE.
BUT WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT? I'M NOT SURE I'M HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT WHERE THIS WILL BE EXAMINED.
I KNOW THAT YOU WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO HOW ARE WE MOVING FORWARD ON THAT? THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.
WE HAVE DONE MORE INSPECTIONS, PARTICULARLY ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SEE AN UPTICK IN THESE AS WELL.
RIGHT NOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE BACK.
TRANSPORTATION, I BELIEVE, SETS THE ROUTES ON THESE, AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WITH THEM AND DECIDE WHAT COMMITTEE TO BRING THIS BACK TO AS FAR AS HOW THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES ARE PERMITTED AND OPERATING.
OKAY. SO, AGAIN, IT'S NOT GETTING AT BEING COMPLAINT DRIVEN, BUT RATHER EVALUATING A LEADING AMERICAN CITY ON THIS PRACTICE, MAYBE WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING. SO I WOULD, WHEREVER IT GOES, WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT APPROACH TAKEN.
VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. MR. MORENO, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.
EXCUSE ME. I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS FOR BRINGING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES UP.
WHEN IT COMES TO HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES THAT ARE PERHAPS HOUSED AND LICENSED IN OTHER CITIES AND THEY COME INTO DALLAS, DO WE REGULATE THEM AS WELL OR JUST OR DOES IT WHEREVER THEY ORIGINATED? THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT NO, WE DO NOT OR THEY DO NOT.
HELLO, CANDICE. BRYANT, THE MANAGER OF THIS DIVISION? NO, CURRENTLY WE DO NOT REGULATE TAXIS COMING INTO THE CITY.
WE. WE ONLY CHARGE THEM A TRIP FEE IF THEY DROP OFF AT THE AIRPORT.
WE DON'T REGULATE DROP OFFS IN THE CITY.
WE ONLY REGULATE THE DROP OFFS WITH THE PICK UPS WITHIN THE CITY.
OH, THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES.
NO, SORRY. WE DO NOT REGULATE THEM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
JUST THE SAME PRINCIPLE APPLIES.
IF THEY PICK UP WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS LIMITS, THEN WE REGULATE THEM.
OKAY. SO I'M ALSO LOOKING AT THIS AS A FROM A SALES TAX REVENUE.
LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONS, SO WE'LL BE SEEING YOU ALL AT FULL COUNCIL, RIGHT? SO. THANK YOU.
VERY GOOD. DON'T LEAVE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE NEXT.
NO, I'M JUST TALKING TO PATRICK.
[LAUGHTER] LET'S GET OUT OF THE HOT SEAT AS FAST AS YOU CAN.
YES. CAN I JUST ASK IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET A MEMO ABOUT THE HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES? LIKE, HOW MANY ARE THERE? WHERE DO THEY GO? LIKE, I DON'T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT THIS.
AND TO CHAIR WILLIS'S POINT, WE CERTAINLY DO RECEIVE A LOT OF COMMUNICATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE ONE HORSE IS DOING IT OR THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 30 HORSES, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE MAYBE THERE'S TWO A BROWN ONE AND A WHITE ONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS JUST IN GENERAL.
SO IF YOU CAN MAYBE JUST EDUCATE US ON AGAIN, HOW MANY ARE THERE, HOW ARE THEY MAINTAINED? HOW DO YOU REGULATE THEM? I MEAN, ARE YOU LIKE DOING A VETERINARY CHECK? I MEAN, I JUST I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, SO I WOULD APPRECIATE MORE INFORMATION.
YES, COUNCIL MEMBER WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
I THINK THAT'D BE A GREAT MEMO, AND YOU KNOW, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND SEE IF PEOPLE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE COMMITTEE, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A FULL BRIEFING LATER ON OR MAKE A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE.
[02:15:04]
SO IT'S KIND OF WILD TO ME AIRPLANES AND HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES ALL IN ONE, SO.WE LAST DID A MASTER PLAN IN 2015.
TYPICALLY, AN AIRPORT LIKE US WOULD DO THIS 5 TO 10 YEARS.
SO WE'RE ON THE BACK END OF THAT.
SO IT ACTUALLY GOES BACK EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT, AND WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT GROWTH IN THE AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS, BUT ALSO PARTICULARLY WITH THE PASSENGER ENPLANEMENTS, WHICH IS PASSENGER BOARDING SINCE THE WRIGHT AMENDMENT REPEALED PARTIALLY IN 2014.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS CHART, WE'VE HAD PRONOUNCED GROWTH.
AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS HAS CLIMBED, BUT REALLY IN PLANE PASSENGERS, WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE WE WILL BE APPROACHING 9 MILLION 2023 CALENDAR YEAR.
SO THAT'S UP IF YOU SEE PRE WRIGHT AMENDMENT IN THE 4 MILLION RANGE.
SO THE FACILITY IS REALLY CONSTRAINED, PARTICULARLY THE TERMINAL AREA.
WE'RE GOING TO UNDERTAKE PLANNING FOR TERMINAL AREA, WHICH IS THAT TERMINAL MASTER PLAN.
WE'LL LOOK AT REALLY IT'S CONTINUED ACTIVITY GROWTH, BUT WE'RE NOT FORECASTING SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.
AND MOST IMPORTANT THING IS BALANCING THAT TERMINAL AND LANDSIDE CAPACITY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
SO THE AREAS OF FOCUS ARE HIGHLIGHTED.
IT'S REALLY FROM MOCKINGBIRD INTO THE AIRPORT, OUT TO THE GATE AREAS.
THAT'S OUR PRIMARY AREA OF STUDY.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD EXPECT SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO BE MADE IN THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM.
AND WE GOT HERE THESE AREAS OF FOCUS BECAUSE THESE ARE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT PARKING.
OUR PARKING STRUCTURES CONSOLIDATED RENTAL CAR FACILITY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE STUDIED AS WELL.
WE KNOW THAT WE NEED BAGGAGE HANDLING IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SYSTEM.
SO THESE WOULD BE PARTICULARLY THE AREAS OF FOCUS IN THIS PLAN.
WE WILL LOOK AT THE AIRPORT AS A WHOLE, THOUGH.
WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE FOR EXISTING FACILITIES AND WHAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE.
THIS IS EVERYTHING FROM THE TERMINAL TO GENERAL AVIATION TO PARKING RENTAL CARS.
SO WE'LL STUDY ALL OF THAT IN THIS MASTER PLAN.
A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE IS SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 21 MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY INCLUSIVE PROCESS.
WE LOOK FOR STAKEHOLDER AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, AS YOU SEE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS VITAL, AND WE WILL LOOK TO MAYBE ADJUST THAT TIMELINE AND SPEED THAT UP A LITTLE BIT IF WE CAN, BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN APPROVALS WITH THE FAA THAT ARE NECESSARY BEFORE WE CAN MOVE SOME THINGS FORWARD. AND WITH THAT, WE WOULD WANT THE COMMITTEE'S FEEDBACK ON ACTUALLY DOING THIS TERMINAL AREA MASTER PLAN STUDY.
FROM THERE, WE CAN FINALIZE THE SCOPE AND THE PROJECT SCHEDULE.
WE WOULD DO THIS IN AN EXISTING ON CALL CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE.
THERE IS CAPACITY IN THE SCOPE AND THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT WITH A FIRM THAT WE HAVE ON BOARD ALREADY, AND WE WOULD LOOK TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE IN OCTOBER, PARTICULARLY TO OUTLINE THE SCHEDULE AND THE FINAL SCOPE AND PROVIDE AN UPDATE THEN.
AND WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS FROM THE RIGHT.
ANY QUESTIONS OVER HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE.
RIGHT SIDE OF ME. SORRY, I DID IT BACKWARDS.
THANKS. GO AHEAD, CHAIR WILLIS.
[LAUGHTER] I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, BUT WHAT, IF ANY, IMPLICATIONS ARE THERE FOR NEIGHBORS IN OUR LOVE FIELD NOISE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP THAT THIS COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON? THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.
I THINK WE HAVING THE EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS IS AN IMPORTANT KEY PROCESS TO THIS.
[02:20:03]
HAVE IN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LOOKS LIKE WE'RE SET TO GO, SO WE'LL SEE.
DOES THIS COME BACK TO FULL COUNCIL FOR BRIEFING OR ARE YOU ABLE TO JUST GO FORWARD ON THE STUDY SINCE YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY? THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE THAT. THE LAST ITEM FOR US COLLEAGUES IS LETTER E.
I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE APPOINTMENTS, SO WE DID A BRIEFING BY MEMORANDUM JUST SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE'RE AT IS THAT A POLL WAS DONE OF THE COMMITTEE. IT ENDED UP IT STARTED AT 6 TO 1, THEN 5 TO 2 TO NOT CONDUCT PERSONAL IN-PERSON, I MEAN, INTERVIEWS. FROM THERE I DID TRY TO, BECAUSE OF THE TWO FOLKS THAT DID WANT TO HAVE IN-PERSON, I DID TRY TO FIND A LOCATION FOR US TO DO A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE COULD NOT GET A QUORUM FOR THAT TIME, SO WE CAN STILL HERE'S THE OPTIONS.
THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY WILL BE JUNE 12TH AT THIS COMMITTEE MEETING, I WOULD JUST NEED COMMITMENT THAT EVERYBODY WELL, NOT EVERYBODY, A QUORUM WILL STAY IN ORDER FOR US TO CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT'S BEEN HARD THIS TERM DURING THE COMMITTEE LEVEL AND AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
WE COULD COME IN EARLIER LIKE AT 11 OR 11:30 OR NOON AND THEN START THOSE INTERVIEWS THEN BECAUSE WITH SIX FOLKS AND IF SEVEN IF ONLY THE SEVEN OF US SHOW UP, THAT'S A LOT OF TIME TO CONDUCT ALL SIX INTERVIEWS, AND WE TYPICALLY HAVE 1 OR 2 OR 3 OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT, BUT SO THAT WOULD BE I THINK THE COMMITTEE MEETING IS JUNE THE 12TH.
THAT WAY WE CAN VOTE ON THESE ON JUNE 15TH OR THE 14TH, I BELIEVE IS THE COUNCIL MEETING.
IF NOT, THEN WE'RE IN THE NEXT COUNCIL AND WE KIND OF HAVE TO GIVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT'S TWO NEW PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT GOING TO BE ON THE COUNCIL, WE'D HAVE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONDUCT INTERVIEWS AS WELL.
SO IF WE CAN, I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER.
SO. CHAIR MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE I WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE INTERVIEWS.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S AN EQUAL NUMBER OF CANDIDATES AS THERE ARE SPOTS AND I THINK THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THEY'LL ALL BE APPOINTED, BUT THIS IS, AS WE HAVE SEEN, ESPECIALLY THIS YEAR, MAYBE MORE SO THAN OTHER YEARS, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POSITION FOR OUR CITY AND IT'S AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PARTNER.
AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THEIR MINDSET, OF THEIR RESPONSIVENESS, THEIR PHILOSOPHY, I THINK, IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.
BECAUSE LET'S BE CLEAR, THIS IS A POLITICAL ROLE.
WE HAVE THE MAJORITY ON THAT COUNCIL AND IT HASN'T ALWAYS SHOWN IN THE ACTIONS, AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING SO THAT WE CAN SUPPORT OUR DART BOARD MEMBERS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY? CHAIR WILLIS AND THEN CHAIR SCHULTZ.
AND I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER.
OKAY. VERY GOOD, AND THEN IF Y'ALL CAN SO THAT I CAN HAVE SOME GUIDANCE ON WHAT HAVE STAFF LOOK FOR.
SURE. GO AHEAD, CHAIR WILLIS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
WELL, I WILL DEFINITELY COMMIT TO BEING AT THAT MEETING ON THE 12TH AND MAKING SURE I STAY THROUGH THOSE INTERVIEWS BECAUSE TO ECHO WHAT CHAIR MENDELSOHN HAS SAID, THIS IS REALLY CRITICAL.
IN FACT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE CONSOLIDATE SOME QUESTIONS AND SUBMIT THESE IN ADVANCE SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL KNOW WHAT WE'RE ASKING OF THEM AND MAYBE HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY JUST TO MAKE IT RUN A LITTLE MORE SMOOTHLY.
BUT DEFINITELY I THINK WE NEED TO VISIT WITH THEM AND KNOW ONE OTHER BENEFIT IS I REALLY APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS THAT MY COLLEAGUES ASK AND THE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND PERSPECTIVES THAT THEY HAVE AND HOW THAT GENERATES SOME REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING I REALLY WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE LOST.
SO I'M COMMITTED TO THAT PROCESS.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, CHAIR SCHULTZ, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
BECAUSE WE HAVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE COMMITTEE THAT ENDS AT 11.
MAY I SUGGEST, AND WE LOSE PEOPLE AT THE END FOR PERSONAL LIFE ISSUES.
MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE DO A WORKING LUNCH AT 12? DO IT FROM 12 TO 1, DO THE INTERVIEWS, AND THEN START OUR MEETING AT ONE SO THAT WE CAN COMPLETE ON TIME.
[02:25:09]
THAT WAY Y'ALL CAN COME IN A LITTLE EARLY AND GRAB.I KNOW IT'S ALSO NO FUN TO CONDUCT INTERVIEWS IF YOU'RE HUNGRY.
SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME LUNCH IN HERE 30 MINUTES BEFORE.
AS SOON AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION, WE'LL GET THAT TO YOU ALL.
SO I NOW KNOW THAT WE WILL CONDUCT THESE INTERVIEWS ON THE 12TH, HOPEFULLY STARTING AN HOUR EARLY TO HELP US ALLEVIATE THE PRESSURE ON SOME OF THE FOLKS PERSONAL LIFE ISSUES THAT HAPPEN AFTER 3:00.
ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD WITH THAT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? CHAIR SCHULTZ. YES, SIR.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON ITEM L, AND THAT IS THIS IS FOR THE THREE SORRY, A TWO YEAR CONTRACT WITH THREE ONE YEAR RENEWALS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL REMEDIATION FOR CITY OF DALLAS BUILDINGS, AND I WANTED TO JUST GET ASSURANCE BEFORE IT COMES TO COUNCIL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITHIN OUR CCAP BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT BUILDING GREENHOUSE GASES ARE THE WORST IN THE CITY.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE WORKING WITHIN THE CCAP.
DID YOU NEED A RESPONSE FROM STAFF OR ANYTHING? WAS THAT JUST A COMMENT? IF YOU'LL JUST GET BACK WITH CHAIR SCHULTZ ON HER COMMENTS THAT WAY SHE CAN VOTE ACCORDINGLY.
OTHER THAN THAT, WE ARE COMPLETED WITH OUR AGENDA TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR STICKING AROUND AND LETTING US CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.