[City Planning Commission]
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COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT.
COMMISSIONER, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND START OUT, UH, COMMISSIONER.
SO TO BEGIN WITH, A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. PASINA.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 11TH, MAY 18TH, 2023 AT 12:32 PM JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
UH, I DID NOTICE THAT SOME OF YOU WERE FILLING OUT THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS, AND WE SURE TO APPRECIATE THAT.
WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
THE CARD SHOULD BE DOWN HERE ON ONE OF THESE TABLES.
YOU CAN LEAVE IT AT THIS LITTLE BOX THERE ON, UH, TO YOUR RIGHT.
UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES, UH, PER OUR RULES.
IN CASES WHERE THERE IS OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE, UH, REBUTTAL.
WELL, WE'LL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS AND SOME COMMISSIONERS ONLINE.
I WILL SPEAK ALL, UH, ASK ALL OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.
STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE MUST SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
UH, MS. PACINO WILL KEEP TIME, YOU'LL HEAR, UH, AN ALARM WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
I'LL ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.
UH, ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, UH, ALL SPEAKERS, UH, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR AND, UH, ALSO REFRAIN FROM MAKING ANY PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.
AND WITH THAT, WE WILL GET STARTED, UH, WITH THE DOCKET.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE ZONING CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.
THERE ARE CASES, NUMBERS 1, 2, 5, AND EIGHT, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME.
UNDER CONSENT, UH, THE CASE IS UNDER CONSENT, THE ZONING CONSENT CASES, NUMBER'S 1 25 AND EIGHT.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, HERE, IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THOSE ITEMS OR WE'LL PULL IT OFF, CONSENT AND HEAR IT INDIVIDUALLY.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASES, NUMBERS 1 25 AND EIGHT BEGINNING ON PAGE ONE? YES, SIR.
WHAT, WHAT CASE ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON, SIR? HELLO, ROBERT BLOOM REP.
IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THIS ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
HELLO, MY NAME'S ROBERT BLOOM.
I'M REPRESENTING I 20 AND LAWSON HOLDINGS ON A PROPOSED PUBLIC STORAGE UNIT.
WHICH CASE IS THAT ONE? THAT'S, THAT'S CASE EIGHT.
DID THAT ONE IS, IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
WE'LL BE DISPOSED OF WITH THE OTHER CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE HEARD AND WE'LL, WE'LL PULL IT OFF.
NOTHING TO SAY OTHER THAN THAT.
IT'S USUALLY BETTER TO LEAVE IT ON
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE, UH, FOUR CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
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OKAY, WE'LL JUST READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD.UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE Z TWO AND 2 3 51.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TWO AND RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1850 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY WITHIN SUB AREA FOUR FOUR OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 366, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ELAM ROAD AND SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN APPRO, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2316 FOR THE SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED RR RE RE REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AT THE NORTHEAST LINE OF EAST LEDBETTER DRIVE, EAST OF SOUTH R THORNTON FREEWAY.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE.
PERMIT NUMBER 2377 FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON PROPERTIES ZONE THAN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DAY, DAILY MILL LANE AND ZODIAC LANE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO REVISED SITE PLAN AND A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THE Z NUMBER FOR THE CASE IS Z 2 23 DASH 1 28.
CASE NUMBER, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 139 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE ON PROPERTY ZONE, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF LAWSON ROAD AND LASSETER ROAD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A DISCIPL PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE FIVE CASES? FOUR CASES? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SEEING NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? YES.
UM, IN THE MATTER, THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF ITEMS 1 25 AND EIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR BRIEFED.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEMS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
AND THE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE GO TO, UH, CASE NUMBER THREE, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES? MAY 4TH, 2023 MEETING.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, SEND A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO COMMISSIONER YOUNG WHO, UH, ON HIS VACATION DID GO AHEAD AND RE REVIEW THE MINUTES AND SEND A NICE NOTE.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER STANDARD? YES.
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 4TH, 2023 CITY PLAN COMMISSION HEARING.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER STANDARD AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WILL, GOING BACK TO CASE NUMBER THREE Z 2 23 1 23, MS. MUNOZ, THANK YOU.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SUBDISTRICT NUMBER ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE NORTH OF ALTA AVENUE.
THAT RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED COMMISSIONS.
CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE NEXT ONE INTO THE RECORD? MR. MOORE LOCATED DISPOSE OF BOTH OF THESE AT ONCE.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT.
NUMBER ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD, ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE, NORTH OF ALTA AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A
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SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.I'LL SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME'S ROB BALDWIN.
I WAS AT OFFICE AT 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, META CAPITAL, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, LOWER GREENVILLE.
UH, THESE TWO CASES ARE TIED TOGETHER, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND.
SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH THE FIRST CASE IS AMENDMENT TO SUBDISTRICT ONE OF PD UH, 8 42, UM, TO ALLOW FOR WHAT I WOULD CALL A MID HOURS S U P.
SO, UM, PD 8 42 IS LOWER GREENVILLE PD.
UH, AND THAT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LIMITS HOURS OF OPERATION TO MIDNIGHT FOR MOST USES, UNLESS YOU GET AN U IT'LL ALLOW IT TO GO TO 2:00 AM.
UM, IT ALSO HAS A MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON IT AND MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY.
THERE'S ONLY ONE IN THIS CITY AND IT'S A LOWER GREENVILLE.
AND IF A BUILDING STAYS VACANT FOR A YEAR, YOU LOSE ALL YOUR DELTA CREDITS.
SO THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE TWENTIES.
IT HAD NO PARKING WAS BUILT, IT WAS VACANT FOR OVER A YEAR.
SO WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAS NO ABILITY, WHO HAD NO ABILITY TO, TO BE OCCUPIED BECAUSE IT HAD NO PARKING DOWN IN LOWER GREENVILLE.
THERE IS SOME, UH, COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS, BUT MOST OF THE PRIVATE PARKING LOTS ARE OWNED BY TWO ENTITIES.
AND UNFORTUNATELY, MY KIND IS NOT ONE OF THOSE TWO ENTITIES.
SO WE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO TO SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS BUILDING HABITABLE? AND WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT, UH, THAT BECAME CODIFIED AS SUBDISTRICT.
ONE SAYING, IF YOU'RE IN A LEGACY BUILDING, WHICH IS A BUILDING BUILT IN THE TWENTIES AND YOU'RE A RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE, A CERTAIN RETAILER, PERSONAL SERVICE USE, WE PROHIBITED RESTAURANTS AND SEVERAL OTHER USES.
AND YOU, YOU DID NOT STAY OPEN PAST SEVEN O'CLOCK.
YOU DID NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE OFF-STREET PARKING.
AND WE, UH, OPERATED LIKE THAT.
UH, MY CLIENT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND SHAME ON HIM.
HE DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A SEVEN O'CLOCK THAT HE COULDN'T STAY OPEN UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK.
ONE OF HIS CLIENTS ASKED IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, UM, TO EXTEND IT.
AND I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A A, A PRETTY GOOD WAY OF DOING IT IS ALLOWING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MID HOURS, SO TO OPERATE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10 O'CLOCK.
BUT ANYBODY WANTED TO DO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION AND SEEK PERMISSION AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO SEE IF IT WAS A A, A USED THAT FIT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE SECOND CASE, 1 24 COMES IN.
THAT IS A CASE FOR, UH, A RETAIL PLACE THAT SERVES BOBBA.
T WANTS TO COME IN AND, AND STAY OPEN UNTIL TILL 10 O'CLOCK.
SO THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS, OR THIS AFTERNOON, IS WE ARE SEEKING FOR THIS FIRST CASE, THE ABILITY TO AMEND SUBDISTRICT ONE OF PD 8 42 TO ALLOW FOR THESE MID HOUR, UH, UH, S U UH, AND IF THAT IS APPROVED, THEN WE NEED, WE'RE ASKING FOR 1 24 TO COME THROUGH AND, AND SEE IF THAT S U SGP IS WARRANTED.
IF THE FIRST CASE GETS DENIED, THEN THE SECOND CASE IS NOT NEEDED.
SO, UH, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED.
IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN DALLAS THAT I KNOW OF IN LOWER GREENVILLE.
IT HAS ALL THESE OVERLAYING, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND SUB-DISTRICTS.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, PLEASE.
MR. BALDWIN, COULD YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN, THIS MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY? SURE.
THE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY WAS A TOOL, AND I WANNA, I'M SURE THERE'S COMMISSIONERS ON THE, ON THE BOARD THAT KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN I'LL EVER KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS A TOOL PUT IN, IN THE, IN THE EIGHTIES, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OR EARLY NINETIES, TO KIND OF CONTROL, UH, B BACK, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN DALLAS, BUT LOWER GREENVILLE USED TO BE PROBLEMATIC WITH A LOT OF BARS AND, UH, BADGE USES.
AND, UH, UH, THE MODIFIED DELTA WAS ESTABLISHED TO TRY TO CONTROL THAT BY, UM, CONTROLLING THE PARKING.
UM, IT'S THE ONLY MODIFIED DELTA ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, AND IT BASICALLY GOES FROM BELMONT DOWN TO, UM, JUST SOUTH OF ROSS.
UM, AND, AND THEN HOW DID IT IMPACT THIS PARTICULAR SITE? OUR SITE WAS, UH, UNOCCUPIED FOR A YEAR, MORE THAN A YEAR OR SO.
IT LOST ITS DELTA CREDIT, SO IT HAD NO PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO THE DELTA CREDITS WOULD'VE GIVEN YOU ACCESS TO PARKING WHERE THE DELTA CREDITS ARE, UH, CREDITS FOR PARKING.
BUT YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET EDUCATED.
SO YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN CREDITS CREDIT, LIKE FOR PURPOSES OF ZONING THAT YOU HAD PARKING AVAILABLE? YEAH, SO DELTA CREDITS
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ARE, OH, WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY AND THEIR ZONING CODE TO ALLOW BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE THE CITY REQUIRED OFF-STREET PARKING TO, TO BE OCCUPIED AND IN EVERYWHERE ELSE.BUT WHERE WITHIN A, EXCEPT FOR WHERE THERE'S A MODIFIED DELTA CREDIT, YOU DO NOT LOSE YOUR DELTA CREDITS UNLESS YOU COME AROUND AND PROVIDE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PARKING SPACES.
SO DELTA CREDITS ARE JUST CREDITS.
SO YOU CAN OCCUPY A BUILDING, IT, IT JUST SAY, WE'RE ASSUMING YOU HAVE PARKING, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW YOU DON'T.
SO THIS BUILDING ORIGINALLY HAD PARKING CREDITS FOR RETAIL USE, BUT THEY EXPIRED.
SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND NO DELTA CREDITS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.
SO THE ONLY WAY WE WERE ABLE TO OCCUPY THE SPACE IS TO GO THROUGH AND WORK WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE, THE PREVIOUS PLAN COMMISSIONER TO CREATE SUBDISTRICT ONE WITH THESE VERY TIGHT REGULATIONS SAYING, WE KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING, BUT UNDER THESE CIRCUM CIRCUMSTANCES, WE THINK IT'S OKAY BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT PUT A BURDEN ON THE PARKING SYSTEM IN LOWER GREENVILLE.
WHAT IS CURRENTLY OCCUPYING THIS SITE? WE HAVE THE BOBAT TEA PLACE THAT TAKES ABOUT, UH, 1200 SQUARE FEET.
WE HAVE A, A YOGA STUDIO AND A SUGARING STUDIO, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HAIR REMOVAL.
SO TWO PERSONAL SERVICE USES AND A RETAIL USE.
AND ARE YOU AWARE IF ALL THREE HAVE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR THOSE SPECIFIC USES? I BELIEVE THEY DO, YES.
DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I THINK WE HAVE INFORMATION TO THE CONTRARY.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION TO STAFF OR SOMEONE ELSE NOW.
WELL, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CO THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE OPERATING.
WELL, I JUST TO LAY, I THINK WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT MADE THE CLAIM THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE A CO FOR ONE OF THE USES.
SO IT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW.
UH, IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS, I WOULD, I WOULD'VE COME HERE PREPARED.
MR. CARLEY, CAN YOU HEAR WHEN MR. BALDWIN IS SPEAKING CLEARLY YOU, YOU FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE CAN HEAR MR. BALDWIN SPEAK.
THE VOLUME OKAY,
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT SUITE THAT'S, THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A CO FOR? I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE OKAY.
UH, SO MR. BALDWIN, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, THE, THE SUV PIECE, THE SECOND OF THE COMPANION CASES ONLY FOR ONE OF THE SUITES.
ONLY FOR THE, THE RETAIL USE, THE T PLACE.
AND I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERNS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AT THAT.
UH, THEY HAD PUT TABLES IN, UH, IN THE SUITE.
THEY HAVE A, A, I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR RETAIL USE, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN TO EAT BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES A RESTAURANT.
AND THERE WAS, UH, HISTORICALLY THEY, UH, HAD TABLES IN THERE.
I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE REMOVED THEM, BUT SOMETIMES THEY COME BACK IN.
SO THAT, THAT, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A, A HISTORY OF CONCERN WITH THE BOBA TEA PLACE IN HAVING, UH, TABLES IN IT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE SEPARATED THESE TWO THINGS OUT.
SO THE FIRST ONE PUTS A MECHANISM IN PLACE, THE SECOND ONE IS A, A SPECIFIC REQUEST.
COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU THEN.
WHY 10? WHY NOT SEVEN TO NINE? SEVEN TO, IS IS THAT FLEXIBLE? UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN TO NINE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THAT SEEMED TO MAKE THAT, THAT WORKED AS WELL.
BUT, UH, THE OPERATOR, THE LONGER HE CAN STAY OPEN, THE MORE MONEY HE CAN MAKE SURE, OF COURSE, THE MORE TEAM HE COULD SELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE DECISION OF THE BOARD THAT NINE IS MORE APPROPRIATE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TO BE WITH NINE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTERS OF Z 2 23? 1, 2, 3.
UM, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, I RECOMMEND DENIAL.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, I WANNA START WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT GREENVILLE AVENUE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THE ZONING DOWN THERE, HOW WE GOT IT AND WHAT IT IS.
UM, THE PD 48 42 IS THE OVERLAY FOR GREEN LOWEST GREENVILLE.
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LATE NIGHT S U P OVERLAY.AND IT HAS STANDARDS FOR WHAT OPERATORS HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO GET SUPPORT BY STAFF AND BY THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR AN U TO STAY OPEN BETWEEN THE HOURS OF MIDNIGHT AND 6:00 AM TYPICALLY THAT IS BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND TWO, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.
THEN THAT PD HAS THREE SUB-DISTRICTS, SUB-DISTRICT, ONE, TWO, AND THREE.
THOSE SUB-DISTRICTS ARE VARYING IN SIZE, TYPICALLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3,500 SQUARE FEET ON UP TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
EACH SUBDISTRICT, UM, REPRESENTS EITHER ONE OR UP TO THREE BUILDINGS.
THE BUILDINGS ARE ALL LEGACY BUILDINGS, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
AND THE SUBDISTRICTS WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM THE COMMUNITY STANDPOINT, THEY WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ALONG GREENVILLE AVENUE AND TO PROMOTE DAYTIME RESI, UM, RETAIL AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE USES.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM ON GREENVILLE ATTRACTING, UH, BAR TAVERN AND RESTAURANT USES, BUT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN, UM, A HEALTHY AND DYNAMIC MIX OF USES, WE LIKE TO SEE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE AND RETAIL USES ON THE STRIP.
THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO USE, UM, OUR PARKING DURING THE DAY AND NOT TRY TO HAVE IT ALL USED AT THE SAME TIME NIGHTS, PARTICULARLY AT WEEKENDS, WHICH HAS THE EFFECT OF PUSHING, UM, THAT, THAT OVERFLOW PARKING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO WHEN THESE OWNERS OF THESE LEGACY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NO PARKING WHATSOEVER COME TO US, THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY, THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, AND SAY, HELP US SOLVE OUR PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE PARKING, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE SOLUTION THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE WERE THESE SUB-DISTRICTS THAT HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON OURS AND RESTRICTIONS ON USES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO CREATE COMPLIMENTARY, UH, USES TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND TO SUPPORT THE STRIP AND, AND TO HELP CREATE THE TYPE OF VIBRANCY THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE ON GREENVILLE AVENUE.
UM, TOUCHING ON THE ISSUE OF DELTA CREDITS.
DELTA CREDITS ARE IMAGINARY PARKING SPOTS.
THEY WERE CREATED, I WANNA SAY IN THE SIXTIES, IN ORDER TO HELP PROMOTE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF OLDER BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE CITY.
THAT, THAT, FRANKLY, MANY OF THEM, LIKE THE BUILDINGS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE, WERE BUILT ALONG RAIL LINES LIKE THE OLD INNER URBAN THAT RAN UP MATILDA, UM, RIGHT BEHIND GREENVILLE AVENUE.
AND SO PEOPLE USED THOSE RAIL LINES TO HOP ON AND HOP OFF AND USE THE IN VISIT THESE OLD BUILDINGS, OR PERHAPS THEY WERE BUILDINGS THAT EXISTED BEFORE CARS AND PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, WALKED TO PLACES,
AND AS WE BECAME MORE AUTO DEPENDENT AND AS WE RIPPED OUT OUR INNER URBAN LINES AND REPLACED THEM WITH STREETS THAT BECAME MORE CAR CENTRIC USES, YOU KNOW, THESE OLDER BUILDING STRIPS OR THESE OLDER COMMERCIAL AREAS BECAME MORE CAR DEPENDENT.
AND SO GREENVILLE HAS LOTS OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS AROUND IT, BUT NOT EVERY OWNER HAS PARKING.
SO THE DELTA CREDITS WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES AS GREENVILLE BECAME MORE STABILIZED.
THE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY IS A ZONING, UM, TOOL THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CITY.
IT, THERE ARE THREE OF THEM IN THE CITY.
THEY ARE ALL ALONG GREENVILLE AVENUE.
THE FIRST MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY DISTRICT IS IN LOWEST GREENVILLE BETWEEN BELMONT AND HENDERSON.
AND, AND IT INCLUDES THIS BUILDING.
AND WHAT IT SAYS IS, IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS EXIST, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR DELTA CREDITS.
AND IN TYPICALLY IT IS A, UH, EITHER YOU STOP USING A BUILDING FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, AND IF YOU ARE REMODELING THE BUILDING OR YOU'VE HAD A CASUALTY LOSS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT DOESN'T COUNT.
BUT IF YOU LEAVE IT VACANT FOR TOO LONG AND YOU DON'T USE IT, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR DELTA CREDITS.
OR IF YOU EXPAND OR CHANGE THE USE, YOU CAN USE YOUR DELTA CREDITS.
THAT'S THE TWO MAIN WAYS THAT PEOPLE LOSE THEIR DELTA CREDITS.
AND ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, THE CITY DID A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THE DELTA CREDITS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE TO DETERMINE WHERE, WHICH DELTA CREDITS STILL EXIST
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AND WHAT PROPERTIES ARE THEY ASSIGNED TO AND CREDITED A SPREADSHEET.AND SO THAT SPREADSHEET IS STILL FLOATING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS CERTAINLY HAVE IT.
UM, AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHICH BUILDINGS HAVE DELTA CREDITS, WHICH ONES DON'T, AND HOW MANY THEY HAVE.
THIS BUILDING HAS NO DELTA CREDITS FOR THE USES THAT THIS BUILDING WANTS TO OPERATE UNDER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE TYPE OF USES, UM, THAT ARE PRESENTLY BEING USED, IT WOULD NEED 33 PARKING SPACES AND IT HAS NONE.
IT COULD, IF IT DIDN'T WANNA HAVE, UM, LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION, LEASE PARKING.
OTHER BUILDINGS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE ALSO HAVE NO DELTA CREDITS AND NO PARKING.
AND PERHAPS IF YOU LOOKED AT THE REPLY PACKETS, UM, OTHER OPERATORS IN THIS BLOCK OBJECTED TO THIS USE BEING EXTENDED TO 10 O'CLOCK BECAUSE THEY LEASE PARKING AND THEY HAVE TO PAY THE LEASE PARKING SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A LATER NIGHT USE.
AND THEY SAY, WELL, LOOK, IF I HAVE TO LEASE PARKING AND THESE PEOPLE DON'T, THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT FAIR COMMERCIAL.
THAT PUTS THEM AT A COMMERCIAL ADVANTAGE TO ME WHEN I HAVE TO LEASE PARKING.
LIKEWISE, A LOT OF THE OWNERS OF PROPERTY ON GREENVILLE OBJECTED TO THIS, UM, APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY OWN PROPERTY DOWN THERE.
AND OF COURSE THEN THE NEIGHBORS OBJECTED BECAUSE NOT FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY MADE THIS DEAL WITH THE OWNER WHO CAME TO THEM AND SAID, I WOULD LIKE YOUR HELP IN SOLVING THIS PROBLEM.
I HAVE A BUILDING I CAN'T USE.
AND THE NEIGHBORS GOT WITH THE CITY AND THE THEN CITY COUNCIL PERSON AND THE THEN PLAN COMMISSIONER AND CREATED THIS SOLUTION THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, A FEW SHORT YEARS LATER, THEY'RE COMING BACK TO THE TROUGH AND SAYING, WELL, GEE, WE WANT MORE.
AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS A LONGTIME NEIGHBORHOOD VOLUNTEER, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY VOLUNTEER HOURS AVAILABLE.
AND IF YOU'RE CONSTANTLY COMING BACK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND WANTING TO PUT THEM THROUGH PROCESS AFTER PROCESS, IT WEARS THEM OUT.
IT TAKES THEM AWAY FROM OTHER COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER THINGS THAT ALSO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, LIKE DOING, YOU KNOW, PLANTINGS AT THE SCHOOL OR DOING SOCIAL EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, UM, NOT REALLY RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC USE.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE ON GREENVILLE ARE NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO A TEA PLACE OR A YOGA PLACE.
IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES OF AMENDING THIS SUB-DISTRICT.
WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE FA OTHER SUB-DISTRICTS, ONCE YOU AMEND ONE, YOU'LL GET THE APPLICATION FOR ALL OF 'EM.
WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE PARKING AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR GREENVILLE AVENUE IN GENERAL.
LOTS OF PEOPLE SAY TO ME, GOSH, I WISH WE HAD WHAT GREENVILLE HAS GREENVILLE'S DOING SO GREAT NOW.
I WISH WE HAD WHAT GREENVILLE HAS.
AND THEY ACT LIKE IT'S JUST SOME SORT OF MAGIC BEAN STOCK THAT WE GREW.
THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON GREENVILLE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AND THE OPERATORS HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AND THE LANDOWNERS HAVE WORKED VERY HARD WITH THE CITY TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN WHAT IS GREENVILLE AVENUE.
AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU SHIFT TOO HARD IN ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER, BUT THE PARKING IMBALANCE AND THE LATE NIGHT USES IS SOMETHING THAT WE WATCH VERY CAREFULLY, AND WE ARE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE USES COMING ONLINE.
WE HAVE A LOT MORE VACANCIES THAT ARE GETTING FULL.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE NIGHTTIME USES.
AND SO THAT IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT I LOOKED AT IN LOOKING AT SAYING NO TO ADDITIONAL NIGHTTIME UN PARK USES ON GREENVILLE.
UM, THE LAST THING THAT I LOOKED AT IN THIS APPLICATION IS THAT AT LEAST TWO OF THESE APPLICANTS, THE YOGA STUDIO AND THE TEA PLACE HABITUALLY VIOLATE WHAT'S ALREADY THE CONDITIONS THE YOGA STUDIO ADVERTISES BOTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ON THEIR WEBSITE, UM, CLASSES SEVERAL DAYS A WEEK BEYOND SEVEN O'CLOCK.
AND THE TEA PLACE ADVERTISES BOTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY HAVE DINED IN SERVICE.
THEY HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.
THEY HAVE SINCE THEY OPENED, I'VE SEEN IT, IT'S ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND IF WE'VE GOT OPERATORS WHO ALREADY DON'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THE ZONING THEY HAVE, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY HESITANT TO GIVE THEM MORE LEADWAY.
AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, UM, I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT MY MOTION.
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YES.I HAVE TO ASK THE CHAIR A QUESTION, PLEASE.
UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S STATEMENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP A QUESTION I HAVE.
AM I ALLOWED TO ASK HER A QUESTION? SURE, WHY NOT? OKAY.
UH, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE IS STILL ADDITIONAL LEASE SPACE AVAILABLE AT THOSE? NOT THAT THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING YOU HAD TO KNOW.
I KNOW NORMALLY I WOULD'VE ASKED THIS TO THE APPLICANT, BUT DO, ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE IS AVAILABLE LEASE PARKING SPACE FOR THESE, FOR THEM, THAT WAS YOUR FIRST ISSUE ABOUT THEY COULD HAVE LEASED THE SPACE? UM, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO LEASE SPACE AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR PARKING.
I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE AVAILABLE LEASE SPACES ON GREENVILLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE SPACES THAT MEET THE PROXIMITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
JUST FOR CONTEXT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MOST OF THE PARKING THAT COULD BE LEASED IS CONTROLLED BY TWO ORGANIZATIONS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, YOU CAN GO OUT AND JUST KNOCK ON, ON, UH, ON A RANDOM BUILDING AND SAY, HEY, CAN I LEASE YOUR PARKING? IT'S NOT THAT WAY AT ALL.
IN FACT, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO FOLKS THAT MORE OR LESS CONTROL ALL OF IT.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, ARE THOSE TWO PEOPLE FILLED UP WITH THE LEASING OF PARKING? THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I, MAYBE MR. BALDWIN KNOWS IF THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, HAS REACHED OUT TO, TO OTHER FOLKS TO TRY TO LEASE SPACE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE AND IT'S NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
THERE'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER, STANDARD COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE GREENVILLE AVENUE IS A DELICATE BALANCE, AND IT'S BEEN A DELICATE BALANCE, AT LEAST FOR THE 30 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE, AND I'M SURE MANY FOLKS AROUND THIS HORSESHOE ARE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE EXISTED PREVIOUSLY.
AND THE MOST RECENT UPDATE TO PD 8 42 WAS REALLY A WAY TO TRY TO SET A PATH FORWARD, ENCOURAGE DAYTIME USES, AND PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT CHANGING THE RULES AT THIS POINT WITH AN OPERATOR WHO ISN'T ABIDING BY THE CURRENT STANDARDS, THEY HAVEN'T COME WITH A REQUEST SAYING, HERE'S MY BUSINESS MODEL.
I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
I CAN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT HASN'T DEMONSTRATED A GOOD TRACK RECORD AND THEN IS ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL.
SO I AM AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST.
EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MOTION IS FOR STRAIGHT DENIAL.
AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD A STRAIGHT DENIAL IN A LARGE COMPLEX PD.
DOES THE TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD APPLY TO THE ENTIRETY OF PD 8 42 IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS STRAIGHT DENIAL? OR WOULD IT SIMPLY APPLY TO THE SUBDISTRICT? THAT'S AN ISSUE TODAY.
VICE CHAIR RUBEN, THE TWO YEAR HOLDOUT OR TWO YEAR FREEZE OUT PERIOD, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT.
THE, THE TWO YEAR LIMITATION WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE SUBDISTRICT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, I APPRECIATE THE HISTORY.
I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTANDING THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT HAS GONE INTO SOME OF THESE PRIOR ZONING DECISIONS.
SO THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE TIME AND EXPLAINING SOME, SOME CONCEPTS I WAS UNAWARE OF.
AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION.
ANY OTHER? YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UM, COMING FROM A COMMUNITY THAT, UM, TRIES TO FIGHT TO KEEP DELTA CRITICS AND WHEN IT ALL, AND WE HAVE LIMITED POCKET IN A LOT OF OUR, UM, BUILDINGS, IT HAD TO BE SOMETHING OF GREAT CAUSE FOR A COMMUNITY TO GO SAY THAT PUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON DELTA CRITICS.
THAT IS A VERY HARD FRIDGE BECAUSE WE, OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE ALL KNOW IS A ISSUE.
AND KNOWING THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS TOOK A STEP FORWARD AND SAY WE WE'RE WILLING TO LET THOSE DELTA CRITICS BE ABSORBED IF THE BUILDING IS NOT RENTED WITHIN A YEAR, SAYS, SPEAKS TO, UM,
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WHATEVER ISSUES THAT ARE, UH, BEFORE.AND I DEFINITELY WILL SUPPORT YOU ON THIS ONE.
UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
AND I DO APPRECIATE THE CONTEXT AND THE HISTORY OF, OF KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE GOT TO ON, UH, ON, UH, LOWER GREENVILLE.
I I DID NOTE, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S REMARK ABOUT KEEPING A HEALTHY MIX OF USES, WHICH I WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH.
AND, AND HERE HERE'S A USE THAT'S NOT A BAR, NOT A TAVERN, NOT A RESTAURANT.
AND AS WE ON, UH, THIS COMMISSION ON ZAC KIND OF DIG INTO PARKING HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE PARKING SITUATION ON, ON LOWER GREEN VOLT JUST TO KEEP, KEEP IT HEALTHY AND TO BE ABLE TO, UH, EVOLVE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION EVOLUTION THAT'S GOING ON, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR CITY.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I I I SEE ABSOLUTELY WHY WE, WE WILL DENY THIS TODAY.
AND I IS AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT, UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE THIS REGIME AND THIS PHILOSOPHY IS GONNA SERVE US WELL INDEFINITELY.
SO INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO COME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DID YOU MENTION BOTH OF THE CASES IN YOUR MOTION? YOU DID.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION IN CASE NUMBER THREE AND FOUR MAY BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
FOLLOW BY, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER DENY THE APPLICATION.
NUMBER SIX, CASE NUMBER SIX IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC NEWS PERMIT FOR EILEEN HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE FOOD SERVICE USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD, ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GREENVILLE AVENUE IN ORM STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNOS.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS CASE NUMBER SIX Z 2 23 1 29.
QUESTIONS FOR MS. MUNOS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO WITH REGARD TO MATTER Z 2 23 1 29, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, KEEP THE PUBLIC MATTER A PUBLIC REC HEARING, HEARING OPEN, AND HOLD THIS UNTIL JULY 6TH.
THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAKE FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MS. MUNOS, CAN YOU READ NUMBER SEVEN IN PLEASE? PARDON? NUMBER SEVEN IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF PACIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1903 FOR A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVING OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 FOR CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT USES WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY AT THE NORTHLINE OF AVENUE WEST OF GREENVILLE AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MUNOS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23? 1 39? I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS ONE UNTIL JULY 6TH AS WELL.
COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION ABOUT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY 6TH.
ANY DISCUSSION? I'VE READ THE WRONG NUMBER.
YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU READ THE WRONG NUMBER? I DID.
MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLA BLAIR TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISE MR. JULY 6TH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND NOW KEEP MOVING TO CASE NUMBER NINE.
IS THE FIRST CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT ON PAGE FOUR.
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MS. MUNO, RESPECT TO YOU, YOU HAVE THE HOT SEAT TODAY.UH, CASE NUMBER NINE IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JURY DRIVE IN SOUTH COLD STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNO.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UH, CARL CROWLEY, UH, 2201 MAIN STREET.
I WONDER IF FIRST IKE, AND I KNOW IT'S PART OF MY THREE MINUTES, I'M GONNA TALK FAST.
UH, THE, UH, PRINCIPAL FROM THE SCHOOL COULD NOT BE HERE, BUT SHE'D LIKE ME TO ACTUALLY TELL YOU ABOUT ADELE TURNER.
ADELE TURNER HAS CONTINUED TO BE A SYMBOL OF PRIDE FOR THE SOUTH OAK CLIFF COMMUNITY.
WITH THE RICH TRADITION OF STAFF, COMMUNITY, AND PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.
THE SCHOOL EMBODIES ITS MOTTO, WORKING TOGETHER FOR SUCCESS.
A PRIME EXAMPLE INVOLVEMENT IS ILLUSTRATED BY OUR DAD'S CLUB, WHICH IS KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA FOR PROVIDING EXCELLENT MENTORING AND TUTORING SERVICES FOR OUR STUDENTS.
IN 2021, TURNER WAS ADOPTED BY THE DALLAS MAVERICKS AND THE OLD CLIFF BIBLE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH.
THE DELL TURNER EXPECTATIONS ARE HIGH AND THE CONSTANT EFFORT TO OUR ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE SHOWS AN ALL WE DO.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE NUMEROUS ACTIVITIES FOR OUR SCHOLARS, CHESS CLUB ORCHESTRA, CHEERLEADERS, BASKETBALL TEAMS, ACADEMIC CLUBS, PRE-K, SPELLING B, DEBATE TEAM, SPEECH CLUB, AND TALENTED GIFTED CLUB.
AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE THE TRADITIONS CONTINUE BECAUSE OUR ROOTS ARE DEEP.
UM, A T E ADEL TURNER ELEMENTARY, UH, IS THE BEST PLACE TO BE IN THE DALLAS.
IS D A LITTLE PROMO FROM THE PRINCIPAL.
HEY, SHE'S PROUD OF HER SCHOOL AND, AND WE AS A DISTRICT ARE WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS A, IS A VERY SMALL ADDITION TO THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.
UH, AS JENNIFER IN THE BRIEFING SAID IT'S ADMIN, BUT PROBABLY JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, IT'S ALSO SECURE VESTIBULE THAT WE'RE ADDING TO MOST OF THE SCHOOLS.
WE WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT WE DO.
UH, OTHERWISE, PRETTY MUCH THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND EVERYTHING IS STAYING.
SO WE'D GO TO THE BOARD TO GET THAT SIX FOOT VARIANCE BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T, WE'D SPREAD THE BUILDING OUT.
AND THEN THERE'S TWO TREES THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY, TWO VERY LARGE TREES THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY FOR DAMAGE.
AND, AND THE BOARD, UM, YOU MAY KNOW THE BOARD HEARING DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST MONTH OR MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO BECAUSE OF ELECTRONICS PRE HACK, BUT STILL ELECTRONIC ISSUES.
WE HAD IT ON MONDAY AND IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.
SO WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR SUPPORT OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. CROWLEY.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'M SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.
UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 10.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND ARE STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
ITEM NUMBER 10 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN FW M U FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE FORM SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT AND AN N C E NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ENHANCED SUBDISTRICT WITHIN GLEN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SECOND STREET BETWEEN GARDEN AVENUE AND VAN DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOS.
I SEAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
HI, MY NAME IS JOHN COX AND I'M AT, UH, 79 0 3 AMHERST AVENUE HERE IN DALLAS.
AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE PASTOR OF WATERMARK COMMUNITY CHURCH AND WATERMARK COMMUNITY CHURCH ACQUIRED, UM, A SCHOOL, THE PEARL C ANDERSON SCHOOL.
AND, UM, WE'VE STARTED A CHURCH THERE.
WE'VE GOT A MOBILE HEALTH CLINIC, UM, OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND, UM, WE ARE COMING TO GET A ZONING CHANGE, UM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THE LOCAL NEEDS ARE, AND THEY'VE REALLY IDENTIFIED FOUR THINGS, AND THAT'S YOUTH, JOBS, HEALTH.
AND THEN, UM, THE LAST ONE, UH, JUST HAS TO DO WITH, UH, DIFFERENT KINDS OF WAYS THAT WE CAN BETTER SERVE, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
AND SO, UH, WE ARE STRUCTURING A PLAN TO BETTER PROVIDE FOR THOSE THINGS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS WE HAVE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT'S FOCUSED ON JOB CREATION AND FINANCIAL LITERACY.
AND SO, UM, IN THE JOB CREATION DEPARTMENT,
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WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, 40 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, LOCAL BUSINESSES, UM, TO HELP PROVIDE JOBS.AND THEN ON THE FINANCIAL LITERACY, WE OFFER CLASSES WHERE WE HAVE, UM, FINANCIAL SAVINGS, UM, MATCHING SO THAT TO HELP INCENT FINANCIAL SAVING DOWN IN THAT AREA.
BUT, UH, THE REASON FOR OUR CUSTOMER, A ZONING CHANGE IS, UH, THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE MORE USES.
UM, WE'VE MET WITH A COMMUNITY WE'VE MET, UM, AND JUST WALK THROUGH VERY SPECIFICALLY THE ZONING CHANGES AND, UH, WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PARTNER WITH THE COMMUNITY.
CARL CARLEY, 22 ON MAIN STREET.
I'M GONNA TALK SLOW AND TAKE MY THREE MINUTES.
ACTUALLY, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ARE PARKING AS WE SPEAK, SO THEY'RE GETTING HERE AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
THE CONSENT AGENDA ACTUALLY WENT PRETTY QUICK TODAY.
UH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT HERE FOR OUR CHURCH.
THE CHURCHES ALLOWED PRETTY MUCH, ACTUALLY.
THERE ARE A COUPLE PDS I THINK THAT DON'T ALLOW CHURCHES, BUT OTHERWISE CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE.
WHAT WE, AS, AS JOHN MENTIONED, WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS THOSE OTHER SERVICES WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL, I'LL GUESS TO SAY 10.
WE'VE PROBABLY HAD FIVE LARGE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH NOTIFICATION GIVEN TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN, UH, ONGOING MEETINGS, INCLUDING THIS.
LAST MONDAY WE HAD AN ADVISORY MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY, A SMALL WORKING GROUP.
SO, UM, WHAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO THE STAFF AND SENT TO Y'ALL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS IS A SET OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT BASICALLY PROHIBITS THE USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THAT WALKABLE MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH IS A DISTRICT WE SORT OF EVOLVE FROM AS Y'ALL PROBABLY WHERE WE STARTED WITH THE PD THAT JUST SOLICITED TO THE USES WE WANTED.
UM, AND THEN WE EVOLVED INTO NOW A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT TO ELIMINATE THE USES THAT WE PROHIBITED.
UM, IT WERE EITHER ONE, EITHER WAY IS IT IS GETS TO THE SAME POINT.
UM, THE, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS THIS MORNING IN THE BRIEFING I WAS LISTENING TO ABOUT, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL USES.
I BETCHA THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS AND I CAN EXPLAIN THAT THEN.
BUT, UM, WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE THOSE ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT IN AN R FIVE DISTRICT IN A NORMAL CHURCH SETTING AREN'T ALLOWED.
UM, SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN OUT TO THAT BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S A MAGNIFICENT SCHOOL THAT IS A, A, A MEMORIAL OF SORTS, UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY A, A DEDICATION TO PEARL C ANDERSON, WHO, UM, AT ONE POINT WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS THAT REALLY STARTED OFF WHAT HAS EVOLVED INTO THE COMMUNITY'S FOUNDATION OF, OF TEXAS.
SHE WAS A VERY LARGE DONOR OF LAND AND MONEY TO THAT WHEN IT STARTED OFF IN THE FIFTIES AND EARLY SIXTIES.
AND THE DISTRICT PROUDLY NAMED A SCHOOL AFTER HER AND WAS A SCHOOL UNTIL AROUND THE 2008 TO 10 TIMEFRAME.
UM, AND, AND NOW HAS IT EVOLVED INTO, UM, WATERMARK CHURCHES THERE AND PROVIDING SERVICES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'D JUST LIKE TO EXPAND THOSE SERVICES TO PROVIDE MORE THANKS TO THEM AND MORE OF A BRICK AND MORTAR SETTING.
SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY ZONING QUESTIONS AND MAYBE THEY'RE FILING IT.
I TALKED JUST ABOUT THE RIDER, THIS PERFECT TIMING.
COME ON DOWN, CARSON, DON'T, YOU'RE ON, THROW THE BAG DOWN AND GET STARTED FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE MICROPHONE.
YOU HAVE TIME TO GET YOUR NOTES OUT IF YOU MEAN
GOOD TO SEE YOU CHAIR TIMEWISE.
MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 6 0 9 LAKE MEER, L A K E M E R E, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 38.
AND MY, UH, ROLE IS WATERMARK CDC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.
THE CDC IS THE WATERMARK COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, UH, THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
THE PROPERTY THAT IS A DISCUSSION TODAY, UH, WAS PURCHASED IN WINTER OF 2019 AND COVID HIT JUST A FEW MONTHS LATER.
UH, SO OUR FIRST STEP, ONCE COVID, UH, ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE CRISIS POINT OF THE COMMUNITY.
UH, WE WANTED TO OPERATE A FOOD DISTRIBUTION TO SIMPLY MEET CRISIS POINT NEEDS FOR OUR NEIGHBORS HERE IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UH, OLD PEARL C ANDERSON, NOW WATERMARK, SOUTH DALLAS.
SO OUR FIRST STEP WAS TO CONDUCT THAT FOOD DISTRIBUTION FOR A YEAR.
WE MET EVERY WEEK, UH, FOR 325 FAMILIES ON A WEEKLY BASIS.
AND THE GOAL WAS JUST TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, LEARN A LOT, HEAR THE STORIES, UNDERSTAND UH, WHO'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, WHO TAUGHT BAND AT THE SCHOOL, AND ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.
AND, UH, THE GOAL WAS TO REALLY JUST HEAR THE, TRULY HEAR THE NEIGHBORS VOICES, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE GOING THROUGH, THEIR HARDSHIPS, THEIR STORIES.
AND, UH, AS A RESULT, WE LAUNCHED THREE INITIATIVES.
FIRST ONE WAS FINANCIAL EDUCATION AND MATCH SAVINGS.
IT'S THE LARGEST MATCH SAVINGS, UH, PROGRAM OF
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ITS KIND THAT WE KNOW OF IN THE COUNTRY.AND WE HAVE 87 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN A MATCH SAVINGS PROGRAM, PURCHASING CARS, HOUSES, EDUCATION, AND BUSINESS ASSETS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
UH, SECOND WE LAUNCHED A JOB PLACEMENT, UH, INITIATIVE PAIRED ALONG WITH CAREER TRAINING WORKSHOPS.
AND TO DATE, WE HAVE PLACED 97 JOBS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN THE FAMILY, IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, THEY'RE ENGAGING IN CAREER TRAINING WORKSHOPS ON EVERY OTHER WEEK BASIS.
AND THEN THIRD, UH, SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.
UH, AS WE, UH, MANY OF US PROBABLY KNOW IN THE, IN THE ROOM.
UH, THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS SPECIFICALLY, THE TWO ZIP CODES AROUND SOUTH DALLAS ARE THE MOST UNDERSERVED ENTREPRENEURS AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN OUR WHOLE CITY.
AND OUR GOAL WAS TO SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS ACCELERATE THE GROWTH OF THEIR BUSINESS AND PROVIDE, UH, TANGIBLE RESOURCES THEY CAN ENGAGE IN TO HELP, UH, PROPEL THEIR BUSINESS FORWARD.
SO OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS IN THIS PROCESS, WE'VE HOSTED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OR A MEDIUM SIZED GATHERING EVERY SIX WEEKS FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS.
AND THE GOAL IS TO LISTEN A LOT, HEAR FEEDBACK, AND APPLY THAT FEEDBACK.
WE'VE ALSO, IN ADDITION, HAVE MET WITH 75 INDIVIDUAL SOUTH DALLAS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, TO LEARN, SIT, LISTEN, BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, AND EXPLORE COLLABORATIONS OR PARTNERSHIPS.
THERE'S A LOTS OF GREAT PEOPLE IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT ARE ALREADY DOING A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
THAT INCLUDES, UH, HISTORIAN KEN SMITH, PASTOR CHRIS SIMMONS, AND MANY LOCAL PASTORS NONPROFIT HEROES THAT WILL GO UNNAMED AND NEVER BE KNOWN BY MANY PEOPLE ACROSS OUR CITY.
AND MISS EPI MEADOWS ROSE GARDEN HOA PRESIDENT.
SO IN CLOSING, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE SPOKEN AND EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO MEET FOOD, HEALTH JOBS AND YOUTH NEEDS, AND WE CANNOT MEET THEIR NEEDS WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE.
SO WE LOOK FORWARD, UH, TO BEING HERE TODAY, HONORED TO STAND HERE WITH YOU AS WE LOVED OUR, OUR CITY, AND EMPOWER OUR SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP UP TO THE THANK YOU.
HOW LONG? I GOT GOOD AFTERNOON.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT WATERMARK AND I'M HOPING THAT Y'ALL WILL SUPPORT ME.
UH, I'M A NA I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THAT AREA A BLOCK AWAY FOR 66 YEARS.
I WENT TO PEARL AND I STAY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DIDN'T WANT WATERMARK THERE.
BUT AFTER I FINALLY WENT OVER TO WATERMARK AND SAW THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY WAS DOING AND SAW THAT HOW THEY WAS ATTRACTING KIDS IN AND SAW THE FOOTBALL AND MADE ME FEEL THAT I WAS BACK AT SCHOOL, I WAS JUST PARK AND WATCH THESE KIDS JUST GO TO THE FOOTBALL FIELD, RIDE UP IN TRUCKS AND STUFF.
AND SO WATERMARK HAS DONE A LOT, HAS DONE MORE FOR SOUTH DALLAS, THAT AREA IN 25 YEARS.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL TO SUPPORT ME TO SUPPORT THEM.
UH, WATERMARK HAS DONE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.
WE'VE, I'VE GOT IN FRONT FED THE HOMELESS.
I FED THE HOMELESS, GAVE OUT CLOTHES TO THE HOMELESS.
ME, MYSELF, I WENT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS ON MY SCHOOL ASKING FOR SUPPORT FOR UCK TO GET RESOLVED.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE YOUR TIME.
I JUST WISH Y Y'ALL WOULD SUPPORT ME AND TELL YOU THAT WATERMARK IS DOING A GREAT JOB IN MY COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.
UH, MY NAME IS SHANITA CLEVELAND AND I'M A SOUTH DALLAS RESIDENT, QUEEN CITY, VERY PROUD.
AND NOT ONLY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FAITH, BUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A WITNESS.
AND I'M A WITNESS OF WATERMARK SOUTH DALLAS.
I GO TO THE BIBLE STUDY, THE WOMEN'S BIBLE STUDY UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MS. DON AND LEILANI.
AND I'VE ATTENDED SOME CHURCH SERVICES.
ONE THING THAT SHOCKED ME IS THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR AN OFFERING.
WE KNOW THAT THE 10TH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MANY CHURCHES.
SO THAT LETS ME KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY TO WATERMARK SOUTH DALLAS.
I'M A WITNESS TO THE GREAT WORKS OF THE BUSINESS COHORT OF THE KIDS.
I'VE BEEN OUT ON THE FIELD PERSONALLY TALKING TO A LOT OF THE PARENTS AND THOSE THAT ARE OVER THE FOOTBALL CAMPS AND THEY LOVE IT.
THEY DON'T EVEN GET CHARGED TO BE OUT THERE.
SO HOPEFULLY THAT THIS COMMISSION GOES WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND IMPROVES THE REZONING BECAUSE WE NEED IT.
WE NEED THIS TYPE OF MIXED USE
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DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE CAN GO IN AND GET FREE TO LOW COST HEALTHCARE.SO WATERMARK, SOUTH DALLAS IS A SAVIOR AND I TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE THEIR HONESTY AND THE WORK AND THE COLLABORATION OF MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN, UM, A WITNESS TO OTHERS.
SO WE'RE ASKING MYSELF, MICHAEL, FOR YOUR APPROVAL.
AND WE ARE WITNESSES, SO IF YOU APPROVE IT AND THEY DON'T DO THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE TO LET YOU KNOW.
BUT I'M VERY, VERY CONFIDENT THAT I WON'T BE BACK ONLY FOR POSITIVITY.
ALL RIGHT? PLEASE APPROVE WATERMARK AND WE TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORT.
IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE HERE, THEN WE, WE'LL GO TO OUR FOLKS ONLINE.
ANYWHERE ELSE HERE, I'D LIKE TO BE HEARD.
WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.
BEGIN WITH, UH, IS IT MR. SPINDLE? YOU'RE MUTED, SIR.
YOU MIGHT WANNA UNCHECK THE MUTE.
SIR, WE WE COULD, WE CAN SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TOGGLE YOUR, YOUR MIC ON AND OFF A COUPLE OF TIMES.
MR. CROWLEY, YOU HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER.
YOU CAN JUST CALL HIM AND PUT YOUR PHONE ON THE MIC IF YOU LIKE.
WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU, SIR, WHILE YOU, YOU, UH, WORK WITH THAT, UH, EPI MEADOWS? YES, MS. MEADOWS, DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON? YES.
YOU CAN'T SEE ME? CAN YOU SEE HER? MS. KING? I CAN'T SEE HER.
IS UH, KEY JOHNSON ONLINE? MR. SPINK? THERE WE GET YOUR, YOUR MIC MARK IN.
NO, I CAN SEE YOU'RE TRYING TO TALK.
DO YOU HAVE HIS, YOU WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO HAVE HIS MOBILE NUMBER, WOULD YOU? I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE IT.
I'M WAITING ON THE TEXT MESSAGE.
YEAH, IF YOU CAN, UH, MR. SPINK MAYBE TEXT SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW IS HERE AND THEY CAN JUST, UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE WORK AROUND THE PICTURE, YOU CAN JUST CALL THEM AND, AND WHILE YOU DO THAT, MS. MEADOWS, WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU, MA'AM.
I WANT TOGGLE THAT THE, YOUR, THE CAMERA ON AND OFF A COUPLE OF TIMES.
SOMEONE IS CALLING YOU RIGHT NOW.
MR. SPINK, IF YOU WANNA, DO WE HAVE THEM?
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THAT'S ALRIGHT.TONY, IS HE OKAY TO YEAH, HE JUST PUT ON SPEAKER PLEASE AND WE'LL, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
MR. SPINER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES SIR.
HEY GUYS, I'M, I'M JAMES FOOTBALL COACH OVER AT LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL AND, UH, UH, HAS BEEN A MAJOR BLESSING.
I DIDN'T ABOUT THOSE GUYS, I HAD A CHANCE.
HEY, COACH ELIGIBLE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? COACH, WILL YOU MUTE YOUR ZOOM? OKAY.
IS THAT BETTER? THAT BETTER TURN OFF THE SPEAKER ON HIS MONITOR? YEAH.
WILL YOU ALSO MUTE THE SPEAKER ON YOUR MONITOR? OKAY.
KEN, I'M JAMES FOOTBALL COACH, UM, AND ASSISTANT ASSOCIATE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH OVER HERE, LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, WATERMARK HAS BEEN A MAJOR BLESSING TO US.
UM, WITHOUT THOSE GUYS, I, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A, A SEASON BECAUSE PHYSICALS ARE SOMETHING MAJOR THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, TO GET YOUR KIDS ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE FOR THE HEALTH.
AND THEY WERE JUST SO OPEN TO US AND THAT WE COULD BRING OUR KIDS OVER.
CAUSE YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH OUR KIDS IS ONE, WE CAN'T GIVE 'EM TO THE PLACES.
AND TWO IS A MONEY ISSUE AND WATERMARK IS SO CONVENIENT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.
AND THEN ALSO TWO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THEM OFFERING OUR KIDS FREE PHYSICALS.
IT, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS AWESOME.
AND SO, UH, GUYS, I I TELL YOU, I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN THEY, WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND THEY, AND THEY TOLD US THAT THEY'LL TAKE US IN, IT, IT, IT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ATHLETICS AND SOUTH DALLAS IS A HUGE, HUGE THING.
AND, AND THEN, AND AGAIN, I LIKE, I FELL MR. ANTHONY AND HIS, HIS BUNCH OVER THERE THAT WITHOUT THEM WE, WE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO BAILEY DO WHAT WE DO THIS PAST YEAR, WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGER NUMBERS IN D I D AS IN, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION FOR ATHLETICS.
SO I, AGAIN, I WANT TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR THOSE GUYS AND, AND, AND THERE'S MUCH LOVE FROM THE LINCOLN FAMILY TO THOSE GUYS.
UH, MR. SMITH, I THINK MS. MEADOWS WAS TRYING TO MESSAGE SOMEONE TO CALL HER.
IS IT OKAY IF WE CALL HER AND DO THE SAME OR WOULD YOU WELL, IT DOES, IT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE WANTS SOMEONE TO CALL HER, BUT WE, WE STILL HAVE TO SEE HER, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHE OH YEAH.
SHE TEXT ME AND SAID, CAN YOU CALL ME AND PUT ME ON, I CAN'T GET MY COMPUTER CAMERA UP TO WORK.
UM, WE UNFORTUNATELY, MS. MEADOWS, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU UNLESS WE SEE YOU.
UH, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO SEE HER.
OH ON SEE HER ON ZOOM ON HER PHONE.
YOU MEAN LIKE FACETIME OR FACETIME? WELL, FACETIME WON'T WORK CUZ IT HAS TO BE ON, UH, ON THE ZOOM SYSTEM.
I JUST ASKED IF SHE CAN USE ZOOM ON HER PHONE.
YEAH, PLEASE IF WHILE SHE DOES THAT, WE'LL TAKE SOME OTHER SPEAKERS PLEASE.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WATERMARK HEALTH.
WE'RE A NONPROFIT HEALTHCARE ORGANIZATION.
WE HAVE TWO BRICK AND MORTAR CLINICS THAT SEE URGENT CARE PATIENTS AS WELL AS A MOBILE UNIT THAT'S PRESENT AT THE PEARL C ANDERSON CAMPUS.
CONSISTENTLY, WE SEE ABOUT 10,000 PATIENTS A YEAR AND PREDOMINANTLY OFFER URGENT CARE SERVICES, BUT WE ALSO DO SOME DENTAL, EARLY PRENATAL CARE AND HYPERTENSION SERVICE LINES AS WELL.
OUR SERVICES ARE FREE TO OUR PATIENTS.
WE DO ASK FOR A $10 DONATION TO INSTILL VALUE IN THE SERVICES THEY RECEIVE, BUT IF SOMEONE'S EVER UNABLE TO AFFORD THAT, WE STILL GLADLY SEE THEM AND DO NOT REQUIRE ID OR ZIP CODE TO BE DESIGNATED TO BE SEEN.
WE'VE HAD A PRESENCE AT PERCY ANDERSON SINCE AUGUST OF 2020.
OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY WAS TO PROVIDE A FREE DRIVE THROUGH COVID TESTING SITE ALONGSIDE THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION THAT HAPPENED THERE AS THE MOBILE UNIT FINISHED ITS CONSTRUCTION.
IT WAS ALSO LOCATED AT PEARL C ANDERSON ABOUT THREE DAYS A WEEK WHERE WE'RE DOING URGENT CARE SERVICES.
THAT WAS SINCE THE SPRING OF 2021.
IN THAT TIME PERIOD, WE'VE ALSO HOSTED SCHOOL PHYSICAL DAYS AND EVENTS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SEE STUDENTS FROM NEARBY SCHOOLS, UM, LIKE LINCOLN AND MADISON.
WE'VE DONE VACCINE CLINICS WITH LINCOLN, A HEALTH EDUCATION EVENT WITH MADISON AND WE'VE BEEN STATIONED AT THE PARK SOUTH Y FOR SOME HEALTH EDUCATION AND URGENT
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CARE.WE'VE BEEN WORKING TO LEARN FROM THE COMMUNITY BOTH THEIR NEEDS, THE AREAS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SERVE.
AND WE'VE BEEN CONTINUING TO HEAR A NEED FOR HEALTH EDUCATION, DIAGNOSIS AND CONNECTION TO LONG CARE MANAGEMENT FOR CHRONIC ILLNESS, VISION AND DENTAL CARE.
BASED ON THIS INPUT WE'RE LOOKING AT INNOVATING WITH SOME OF OUR LOCAL PARTNERS AND LOCATIONS, WE'RE ADDING HEALTH EDUCATION OPPORTUNITIES OF VARIOUS COMMUNITY PARTNERS WORKING ON A VISION CLINIC THAT WILL PROVIDE FREE LENSES TO PARTICIPANTS IN BUILDING OUT OUR HYPERTENSION SERVICE LINE TO COVER, COVER OTHER CHRONIC ISSUES LIKE CHOLESTEROL, DIABETES DIAGNOSIS, AND PRIMARY CARE CONNECTIONS.
UM, AS WE'VE SOUGHT TO BE A LEARNER AND A GOOD PARTNER RELATED TO HEALTHCARE IN THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE HAD THE CHANCE TO EITHER MEET OR COLLABORATE WITH LEADERSHIP AT PARKLANDS HATCHER STATION HEALTH CENTER, TEXAS HEALTH RESOURCES, BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE CHAPLAINCY, THE DOCTOR SPOT, BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITES, JUANITA CRAFT CLINIC, BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE CITY SQUARE CLINIC ABIDE THE MLK JUNIOR FAMILY CLINIC AND THE BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD VAN UH, CARAVAN.
SO WITH THE REZONING OF THE PEARL SANDERSON BUILDING, WE WOULD HOPE AND AIM TO CONTINUE TO INCREASE OUR SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY BY BEING ABLE TO MOVE FROM INSIDE THE MOBILE UNIT TO INSIDE THE BUILDING.
OUR OTHER BRICK AND MORTAR CLINICS ARE APPROXIMATELY 3,700 SQUARE FEET, AND AS WE GROW IN SIZE AND SCOPE, WE'D BE ABLE TO BUILD OUT MORE PATIENT ROOMS, SEE HIGHER VOLUMES OF URGENT CARE PATIENTS, AND ADDED DIVERSITY OF SERVICES LIKE VISION, DENTAL, THE BRIDGE SERVICE LINE I REFERRED TO IN EARLY PRENATAL CARE.
WITHOUT THE ZONING CHANGE, WE'D STILL BE RESTRICTED TO THE HEALTH EDUCATION RESOURCES AND THE SERVICE PERIODICALLY, PERIODICALLY OFFERED THROUGH THE MOBILE UNIT WHEN IT'S NOT DEPLOYED ELSEWHERE.
AND THEN I THINK, DID IT SOUND LIKE COACH SPINDEL ALREADY'S HOPE DOC.
SO HE'S A EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WHO'S RECEIVED THE SERVICES THROUGH OUR, UM, SPORTS PHYSICAL DAYS.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS HERE MINUTES, BUT YOUR VIDEOS STILL NOT WORK.
ANYONE ELSE HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? YES, COMMISSIONER STANDARD.
I THINK THIS WOULD GO TO MR. SMITH.
I BELIEVE THESE QUESTIONS WOULD GO TO YOU.
AND WE CAN ALWAYS CALL ON MR. CRAWLEY TO HELP OUT IF WE NEED OKAY.
YOU, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE REALLY KIND OF BIG BRIEFED THIS SORT OF IN MARCH AND IT'S KIND OF BEEN CARRIED OVER.
I JUST WANNA GET CL CLARIFICATION ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
CLEARLY YOUR MISSION IS WONDERFUL, SO I'LL MAKE THAT COMMENT.
BUT AS A QUESTION, CUZ I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK QUESTIONS, IS THIS, I JUST HEARD, UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE HEALTH CLINIC SAY THAT, SO THE INTENT IS TO TAKE THE HEALTH CLINIC, WHICH IS A MOBILE UNIT RIGHT NOW.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISEMENT CENTER IS TO ALSO HAVE A LOCATION IN THE BUILDING? YES, MA'AM.
AND YOUR JOB PLACEMENT IS TO BE MOVED INTO THE BUILDING? YES, MA'AM.
AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE CHURCH.
AND I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
HOW WERE YOU ABLE TO FUNCTION ZONING WISE? WHAT WAS IT OPERATING UNDER FOR THE HEALTH CLINIC AS A MOBILE CLINIC? AS A HEALTH CLINIC IN THE MOBILE CLINIC? WELL, YOU HAD THE MOBILE HEALTH CLINIC SITTING IN THE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT.
UM, THE CURRENT ZONING IS, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, R FIVE AND THE MOBILE CLINIC WAS BUILT OUT DURING COVID.
SO THAT'S HOW IT SORT OF GOT, IT'S BEEN A TEMPORARY RESPONSE TO THE YEAH, I'M NOT, I'M USING A LAYMAN'S TERM, NOT A YEAH.
A TECHNICAL ONE, BUT SORT OF GRANDFATHERED IN IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND SO IT WOULD REQUIRE, IN ORDER TO HAVE THESE OTHER SERVICES, THE REASON WE'RE DOING IT THIS AND SORT OF MAKING THAT ONE QUOTE UNQUOTE LEGAL SINCE THE COVID OKAY.
IS THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOUR APPLICATION IS ABOUT, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
MY LAST QUESTION IS THIS, AND I THINK IT'S MORE OF A CURIOSITY.
IS YOUR INTENTION TO RETAIN THE EXISTING SCHOOL STRUCTURE? I MEAN, IS THAT YOUR PLAN? AND THEN IF YOU HAD TO ADD ON AT SOME POINT TO THE PARKING LOT, YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US? IS THAT HOW YOU'RE THINKING? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AS OPPOSED TO RAISING THE BUILDING.
THE SCHOOL IS, UH, JUST SI SHY OF 200,000 SQUARE FEET, TWO ACRES UNDER ROOF.
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WE'VE RENOVATED 20,000 OF THE 200,000 FOR EASY MATH AND 180,000 SQUARE FEET OF ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY SPACE.AND WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF WORK IN FRONT OF US.
I'LL SAY AGAIN, IT'S A WONDERFUL MISSION.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
UM, I, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK THIS QUESTION OF YOU, BUT IT MIGHT BE FROM MR. CROWLEY.
CAN YOU JUST HELP US, UM, UNDERSTAND, WE, WE HEARD IN OUR BRIEFING THIS MORNING THAT ONE OF THE REASONS THAT ALL RESIDENTIAL USES WERE DEEDS RESTRICTED OUT, WHICH WE JUST SAW, UM, I THINK YESTERDAY IS BECAUSE OF THE RESPONSE YOU GOT AT A COMMUNITY MEETING.
CAN YOU JUST WALK THROUGH WHAT HAPPENED AND, AND WHY THAT'S THE CASE? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I, I WOULD SAY, UH, TRUST IS THE CURRENCY.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE CURRENCY OF TRUST IS HOW WE'RE BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS OVER AND OVER, UH, ONE STEP AT A TIME.
AND I THINK AT THE, WE WANT THE INITIAL STEP, UH, WAS TO HEAR COMMUNITY SOLUTIONS OR COMMUNITY HARDSHIPS AND HOW WE CAN PROVIDE TANGIBLE HANDHOLDS INTO THOSE COMMUNITY HARDSHIPS WITH TANGIBLE SOLUTIONS.
SO WE THINK OF, UH, SOMEONE'S ECONOMIC STABILITY OR THEIR HEALTHCARE OR THEIR NEEDS ACROSS THE BOARD.
UH, HOUSING IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE.
I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD, UH, TO EXPLORE THAT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WITH SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE, UH, STEP INTO, BUT WITH OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS AND WITH WHERE WE ARE, NOWHERE ON THE RADAR IN THE CURRENT, UH, SETUP OF WHERE WE'RE STEPPING INTO FOR THE PLAN GOING FORWARD.
AND SO THE COMMUNITY, UH, LEADERS IN OUR COMMITTEE THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, JUST PREFERRED THAT TO BE ON A DEED RESTRICTION SO THAT WHENEVER WE CAME TO THAT DOWN THE ROAD, THAT WE COULD, UH, GO BACK, UH, AND HAVE TO WALK THROUGH OR NEED TO WALK THROUGH THE DEED RESTRICTION PROCESS AND, UM, THE, THE REZONING PROCESS OF THAT SORT.
SO FOR THAT USE, WOULD YOU ADD ANYTHING ELSE? NO, NO, I THINK THAT'S IT.
CAN I, I'D LIKE TO ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
WE'LL, AT THAT, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT DOWN THE ROAD LIKE CARSON SAID.
YOU ARE ASKING TO GREATLY REDUCE A MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE APPLYING FOR.
AND SO AS A COMMISSIONER, YOU USUALLY LOOK AT HAVING, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU REALLY THINK YOU'RE GONNA FLEX INTO THAT, YOU KEEP THAT IN YOUR BACK POCKET INSTEAD OF SAYING YOU'RE WILLING TO COMPLETELY PUT IT OFF THE TABLE AND KNOW THAT YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK, WHICH WOULD BE A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS.
SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, IS THERE THE DESIRE TO REALLY CONVINCE THE COMMUTER COMMUNITY THAT YOU WILL NOT PUT ANY HOUSING ON THIS LOCATION? THAT IS WHY YOU'RE TAKING IT COMPLETELY OFF THE TABLE? I, I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THEY, THEY ASKED IF WE HAD ANY PLANS FOR THAT AT THIS TIME, AND WE DON'T.
AND, UM, IF FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, IF THE COMMUNITY, OR THREE YEARS FROM NOW, IF THE COMMUNITY CAME TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THE COMMUNITY CAME TO GU AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'D REALLY LIKE SOME RETIREMENT, HOUSING SENIOR HOUSING.
WELL, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO THEN EX SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND TALK IT OVER AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
AND OBVIOUSLY WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE, WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION IN WHATEVER SHAPE IT IS WHEN WE COME BACK AND, AND WHENEVER THAT IS AND ASKED TO AMEND THOSE DERE RESTRICTIONS TO EITHER REMOVE THE WHOLE NO RESIDENTIAL OR MODIFY IT TO, I THINK COMMISSIONER RUBEN CAME UP AND, AND HE AND I HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
UM, EXCUSE ME, VICE CHAIRWOMAN, UH,
UM, UH, THAT, UM, THAT MAYBE THERE IS A, IT IS A GOOD LOCATION, BUT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T THINK THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT AT THIS TIME.
IT, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, IT MAY BE, AND MAYBE THEY MAY COME BACK AND SAY, PLEASE DO IT.
AND WE'LL, WELL, MR. CROWLEY, YOU KNOW, THAT TWO YEARS FROM NOW, IT WON'T JUST HAPPEN LIKE YOU'LL HAVE TO NO, NO.
WE UNDERSTAND THE ENTIRE, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE.
IT'S A ZONING CHANGE TO AMEND THE RESTRIC, BUT YOU'RE REMOVING THAT FLEXIBILITY NOW THAT WOULD PREVENT YOU FROM BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE COMMUNITY LEADER FOR COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
I I WILL JUST SAY, I FIND THIS COUNTERINTUITIVE, UM, TO COMPLETELY REMOVE THE OPTIONALITY OFF THE TABLE.
I, I UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSE AND I ALSO THINK YOU'RE DOING FABULOUS WORK.
I WISH THAT THERE WAS ENOUGH TRUST THAT YOU COULD HAVE ALL OF THIS OPTIONALITY TO LEAN INTO WHEREVER THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO MR.
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CHAIR TO GO.MR. CAN WE RESTRICT OUR COMMENTS TO THE COMMENT PERIOD? MAY, MAY I ADDRESS THAT JUST REAL QUICK THIS QUESTION? I I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
UM, LOOK, THERE'S SOME, WE, UH, FOR A BUNCH OF REASONS WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING TRUST IN THAT COMMUNITY, AND THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT THEY HAVE SAID THEY DON'T WANT, THAT SHOULD MAKE COMPLETE SENSE.
THEY DON'T WANT A PAWN SHOP, THEY DON'T WANT ADULT ENTERTAINMENT, THEY DON'T WANT A POOL HALL, THEY DON'T WANT A BLOOD CENTER BECAUSE THEY'RE WORRIED THAT PEOPLE WILL, WILL SELL THEIR BLOOD, RIGHT? I THINK THIS ONE IS FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT AND IT JUST GOT ON THE LIST.
IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO TAKE IT OFF THE LIST, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT OFF.
AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO DEAL WITH THE COMMUNITY AS, AS IT RELATES TO THAT GOING FORWARD AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER COUPLE OF STEPS IN THIS PROCESS.
BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, IN TERMS OF PRESERVING THE FLEXIBILITY, WE HAVE, UM, UM, UH, 40 PEOPLE EACH YEAR THAT ARE RESIDENTS AT WATERMARK THAT ARE TRAINING FOR THE MINISTRY.
AND AT SOME POINT WE MIGHT LIKE TO HAVE THEM, UM, JUST LIVE DOWN THERE, UM, IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE WORKING IN.
JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT IS A, A DEED RESTRICTION THAT YOU'RE OFFERING? YES.
IT'S NOT FOR US TO DECIDE TO PEEL THAT OFF.
IT IS UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT, IF YOU, I, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT OFF, TABITHA, IF YOU HAVE A, LET'S, DO YOU HAVE A A, AN OBJECTION TO THAT? UH, LET'S, LET'S NOT HAVE A BACK AND FORTH HERE.
WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT OFF THE DISTRICT.
THE, THE DEED DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
IT'S SORT OF A TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
THE COMMISSION CANNOT TELL THE APPLICANT WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT PROHIBIT ON THE YOUTH, ON THE PROPERTY.
COMMISSIONER WEER I'M GO, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK CARSON AND, AND CARL, THESE ARE GONNA BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL, UM, MA MADE, HOLD ON.
UM, WHAT IS THE GENTLEMAN NAME? THE PASTOR.
CAN, CAN HE COME BACK TO THE MIC ALSO? YES.
PASTOR COX WERE, HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS WERE YOU AT? UM, I WAS AT ONLY TWO OF THE, OF THE PROBABLY DOZEN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD BY A, AT, AT THE RECREATION CENTERS? YES, MA'AM.
UM, WERE YOU AWARE AT THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WELL, LET ME REPHRASE THAT WAS WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT THE COMMUNITY SAID AT THIS TIME THAT THEY WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE A DEED RESTRICTION? UM, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.
UH, UM, CAN I GET CARSON? YES, MA'AM.
SO I CAN SPEAK WITH CARSON AND, UM, CARL.
UM, CARSON, HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT YOU WERE WITH THAT WERE HELD AT CITY FACILITIES FOR THE GENERAL COMMUNITY, HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS WERE HELD AT CITY FACILITIES FOR GENERAL COMMUNITY? FOUR.
AND WAS THERE A GOOD TURNOUT AT EACH ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS? I WOULD SAY YES.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT EACH
AND SO DID YOU GET GREAT FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY ON, ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU PUT IN THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS? ABSOLUTELY.
WAS RESIDENTIAL ASKED TO BE A DEED RESTRICTION AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ALTERNATIVE TO PUT IN AND THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT IT AT A DIFFERENT TIME? THAT'S CORRECT.
DID THE COMMUNITY ASK YOU, DID THE COMMUNITY THE NEED RESTRICTION FOR, UH, HOUSING? WE WOULD SAY WE WANT TO KEEP THAT ON, UH, IN THE DOCUMENT ITSELF OR AS BEING DE RESTRICTED.
AND SO DID THE COMMUNITY, AS OF THIS WEEK WHEN MEETING WITH THE BODY, THERE WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE COMMUNITY, DID THEY AT THAT TIME SAY THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL WAS ONLY SO THAT THEY CAN BE A PART OF THE PROCESS OF WHATEVER RESIDENTIAL, UH, FACILITIES THAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT ON THAT SITE? YES.
THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS I WAS REFERENCING WITH, UH, CHAIRWOMAN TREADWAY.
COULD YOU GIMME A REASON WHY THAT WAS AN IMPORTANCE TO THIS COMMUNITY? YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A COMPLEX SOLUTION FOR A COMPLEX PROBLEM, AND THE MORE COMPLEX THE ISSUE, THE MORE THE VOICE IN THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE HEARD.
AND DID THE COMMUNITY AT SOME POINT SAY THAT THEY DO WANT RESIDENTIAL, THEY JUST, JUST SOLELY WANNA BE A PART OF THE PROCESS? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY PUT ON THE DEED RESTRICTION WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THOROUGH CONFIDENCE THAT IT WOULD BE, THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS, WHICH IS THE PRIORITY THAT WE WOULD PREFER.
AND DID ANYONE AT THE MEETING SAY THAT IF BY ANY CHANCE THAT WE COULD FOLLOW AN ALTERNATIVE THAT RATHER THAN A DEED RESTRICTION TO RESIDENTIAL, THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD ACTUALLY RECOMMEND THAT INSTEAD OF THE DEED RESTRICTION? YES.
IF THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE TO HAVING IT FULLY DEED RESTRICTED, THE COMMUNITY WOULD SAY OPEN TO THAT.
BUT, UH, THAT DID NOT PRESENT ITSELF IN THE CONVERSATION OR DISCUSSION WE HAD.
SO EVERYBODY THOUGHT THE BEST THING TO DO WAS TO SIMPLY DEED RESTRICTED.
AND SO FOR EACH ONE OF THESE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, THEY, YOU HAD FULL INPUT, YOU HAD WANTS, YOU HAD DISCUSSIONS, DID YOU
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HAVE IN OBJECTIONS AND THEN DID AT EACH MEETING WHEN YOU CAME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING, DID YOU HAVE SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THOSE? ABSOLUTELY.THE, THE MEETINGS TYPICALLY WERE, UH, 15 TO 20 MINUTES OF AN UPDATE AS TO WHAT HAD CHANGED SINCE THE LAST MEETING, AND THEN ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF OF OPEN MIC TOWN HALL Q AND A.
AND DID YOU ALL MAKE SURE THAT YOU KEPT A UPDATE WITH MYSELF, UM, ENTITIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY ALSO WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBER ON THE UPDATES THAT YOU WERE DOING ON A WEEKLY BASIS? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, IT WAS A WEEKLY BASIS OR BIWEEKLY BASIS.
AND THEN, UH, UH, A WEEKLY BASIS OF UPDATES THAT HAPPENED WITH, THESE ARE THE MEETINGS THAT WE HELD.
UH, THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS OR UPDATES THAT WE'RE HAVING.
AND, UH, THESE ARE THE UPDATES ON, YOU KNOW, UH, SPECIFIC EVENTS OR, UH, STATISTICS THAT THE, UH, CHAIR OR, UH, COMMISSIONER WOULD PREFER ALSO WITH THE COUNCILMAN.
AND ONE MORE THING, DID YOU ALL GO A STEP FURTHER AT SOME TIME AND TAKE THE ADVISEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY AND CREATING AN ADVISOR COMMUNITY MADE OF COMMUNITY LEADERS AND RESIDENT RESIDENTS OF THE SOUTH DALLAS COMMUNITY? THAT'S CORRECT.
THAT COMMUNITY HAS BEEN MEETING, UM, MORE IN DEPTH IN THE LAST FIVE TO SIX MONTHS, UH, ONCE A MONTH FOR THE LAST FIVE TO SIX MONTHS, AND WE, UH, INTEND TO KEEP THAT MOVING FORWARD.
SO, SO WAS THAT A DIFFERENT, WHAT, WHAT YOU ALL HAVE A SET ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT YOU MEET WITH IN, IN, IN, ALSO? THAT'S CORRECT.
THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS HAVE BEEN NEIGHBORHOOD BROAD NEIGHBORHOOD COMMITTEE MEETINGS, COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE, WHICH IS A, UH, ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT NEIGHBORHOOD ADVISORS MIX OF, UH, OLD, UH, OLDER ELDER RESIDENTS, A LONG TIME RESIDENTS, AND, UM, UH, ALSO, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESENT AS WELL.
AND, AND THE COMMUNITY HAS OVERLY TOLD YOU ALL THAT THE TRUST ISSUES IS THE REASON THAT THIS PROCESS IS TAKING LONG AND THAT THEY ARE BASED OFF DEED RESTRICTIONS AND FUTURE COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF, BUT THE OTHER DAY, UH, UH, ROSE GARDEN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT EPI MEADOWS, AT THE END OF OUR MEETING SAID, WE ARE ALL CLEAR AND EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEANCE AND ALIGNED AT THE END OF THAT MEETING.
WHENEVER, UH, WE AGREE TO THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, AND IF YOU AGREE TO UPON THIS BODY AGREES TODAY TO PASS THIS, DO YOU ALL ALSO HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU ALL ARE, ARE GOING TO DO PRIOR TO GETTING TO COUNCIL BASED OFF OF WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS REQUESTED? ABSOLUTELY.
OUR FIRST PHONE CALL AND FOLLOW UP EMAIL WOULD BE TO COUNCILMAN BAA AND ALLOW HIM TO, UH, YOU KNOW, DICTATE THE PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE NEXT 60 OR 90 DAYS AS WE LOOK TOWARDS, UH, POST JULY.
AND CARSON ONE, THIS IS DEFINITELY YOUR LAST QUESTION.
HAVE YOU BEEN THE FOREFRONT AS FAR AS THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, ALONG WITH PASTOR MARVIN, UM, ON THE, ON THE ENGAGEMENT FACTOR? SO YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE ACTUAL ENGAGEMENT OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS? YES, PASTOR MARVIN, MARVIN WALKER, MYSELF HAVE LED, UH, WHILE HAVING OUR, UH, YOU KNOW, VARIETY OF TEAM MEMBERS THAT HAVE HELPED ALONGSIDE THE PROCESS.
AND, UH, IT'S BEEN 18 MONTHS OF LEARNING, AND THAT'S BEEN THE GOAL AND HEARING FEEDBACK.
AND WE INTEND TO CONTINUE THAT NOT ONLY THROUGH, UH, CITY COUNCIL VOTE, UM, BUT A LONG, LONG TIME COMING OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS, AND DECADES.
UH, MR. CARLEY WENT, JUST QUICK ITEM HERE TO CLEAN UP BEFORE WE GO ON WITH QUESTIONS.
WE RECEIVED SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS.
HAS SOMETHING CHANGED HERE AT THE HORSESHOE OR WERE YOU WE'RE GONNA BASE THE REST OF THIS HEARING OFF OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS? NO DEED RESTRICTIONS.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSION ANDERSON, PLEASE, SIR.
UH, I BELIEVE THIS ONE WILL BE FOR, UH, MR. CARSON.
HOW'S IT GOING TODAY, SIR? UM, YES, SIR.
I'M WONDERING, UM, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY STUDIES ON PLACE TYPES? UM, BECAUSE THE SCHOOL, UH, NOT ONLY BEING THAT EXISTING 120,000 SQUARE FEET, IT OFFERS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LAND THAT, THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER IN TERMS OF LAND USE.
UM, SO I'M WONDERING HOW DEEP DID YOU GO? HOW DEEP OF A DIVE DID YOU GO INTO PARTICULAR PLACE TYPES SO THE COMMUNITY COULD UNDERSTAND THE, THE FULL POTENTIAL OF THE HIGHEST INVEST USE OF THAT LAND.
CHAIR ANDERSON, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH YOUR TERM PLACE TYPES.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN OR DEFINE? WELL, PLACE TYPES WOULD BE, UM, UM, A NOD TO
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THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEN BEGINNING TO FOLLOW KIND OF WHAT FORWARD DALLAS IS PUT IN PLACE IN IDENTIFYING, UM, COMMERCIAL FLEX INDUSTRIAL, UM, THE VARIOUS KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS AND TYPES OF PLACES THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON A PARTICULAR PARCEL.AND MY CONCERN IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE WANTING THIS TO BE A CATALYTIC LOCATION, AND I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW FAR, UM, IN DEPTH YOU GUYS HAVE GONE TO STUDY WHAT THE POTENTIAL OF THAT LAND COULD BE.
YEAH, WE'VE HAD A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER, AND ALSO JUST, UH, LEADERS ACROSS THE BOARD, UH, MANY OF WHO ARE IN THE ROOM AND, AND ON THE, UH, ON THE COMMISSION AS WELL.
BUT I WOULD SAY WE'RE OPEN TO ANY AND ALL DIALOGUE AS TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WANT TO PUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FIRST.
SO THERE'S BEEN ANYWHERE FROM, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AS EXPRESSED IDEAS.
WHAT IF YOU'VE, UH, DUG A POND AND MADE IT A FISHING POND WHERE MOMS, DADS AND FAMILIES CAN COME AND FISH AND, UH, HAVE A GREAT TIME BUILDING MEMORIES? UH, THERE'S ANYBODY ANYWHERE FROM THAT TO, UH, PAINTBALL COURSE, UM, TO ROCK CLIMBING ROPES COURSE.
UH, CAUSE THAT DOES NOT EXIST, UH, IN THE TWO NEIGHBORHOOD OR TWO ZIP CODES RIGHT AROUND, UH, FAIR PARK IN SOUTH DALLAS AND, OR, UH, MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, LIKE THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD.
SO, UH, I WOULD SAY WE'RE OPEN-HANDED ON ALL OF THAT, AND I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD PREFER ULTIMATELY TO PUT THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS FIRST.
WELL, IN TERMS OF, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, URBAN PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF HOW IT MIGHT ALIGN IN THE FUTURE WITH THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF THAT LAND, UM, WITH, WITH THE VACANT LAND IN A, IN ADDITION TO THE LAND THAT, THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN THE BUILDING? YEAH, WITH THE PLANNING URBAN DESIGN, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEIR TEAM, UM, AND ABOUT WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE TO HOW, HOW ARE YOU THE, A CATALYST, UH, TO NOT ONLY THE SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE, BUT HOW ARE YOU A CATALYST SPECIFICALLY IN THAT CORRIDOR? SECOND AVENUE? IT'S KIND OF THE FIRST LOCATION IN, AS YOU COME FROM THE SOUTH AND MOVE TO THE NORTH TOWARDS DOWNTOWN, IT'S THE LAST LOCATION OUT.
UM, SO IT, IT NEEDS TO BE STEWARDED WELL, UM, FROM THE CURBSIDE, UH, STREET FRONT AND WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE AND, AND ALL AROUND.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S MORE, UM, PREDATORY LENDING AND CORNER STORES AND LIQUOR STORES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAN AT EVERYBODY KNOWS OF.
AND OUR HOPE WOULD BE THAT, UH, WE CAN PROVIDE, UH, SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS THAT CREATE ECONOMIC IMPACT ALONGSIDE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND MEET TANGIBLE, UH, COMMUNITY NEEDS.
UM, UM, HOW ARE THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LOCAL SCHOOLS IN TERMS OF, UM, THEIR EDUCATIONAL OFFERINGS OR PARTNER WITH THEM IN, IN VARIOUS WAYS THAT COULD HELP SUPPORT EDUCATION IN THE CORRIDOR AND ALSO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AROUND THERE THAT SEEM TO BE SOMEWHAT RETAIL AND AUTOCENTRIC? UM, WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATION DOES THAT OR HOW DOES THAT CONVERSATION SOUND? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE AT A GOOD STEP, UM, IN ITS INITIAL PHASE OF HOW WE'RE ENGAGING WITH THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY.
UH, WE'VE HAD INDIVIDUALS GO AND READ AT DUNBAR ELEMENTARY AROUND THE CORNER.
UH, WE'VE HAD INDIVIDUALS BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH TEACHERS AT LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL.
AND, UH, THERE'S NONPROFITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, UH, WHO ARE DALLAS PRESTIGE GROUP AND SEARCH LIFE INC.
WHO ARE, UH, RESIDENTS OF SOUTH DALLAS THEMSELF THAT ARE ALREADY DOING AMAZING WORK.
AND OUR HOPE IS JUST TO EXPAND THEIR EFFORTS EVEN MORE.
UH, THERE'S ANOTHER ORGANIZATION CALLED TOGETHER, WE THRIVE.
SO I THINK WE'RE AT A, UH, AT A GOOD SPOT FOR BEING YOUNG IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND NEWER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR WHERE WE WANNA BE WITH SCHOOLS.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO, UH, HOW WE ENGAGE WITH THE BUSINESSES, UH, WE OPERATE AN INITIATIVE CALLED THE BUSINESS COHORT.
AND IT IS A 10 WEEK MINI MBA INITIATIVE WHERE BUSINESS OWNERS CAN ENGAGE, HELP, UH, LEARN ABOUT THE 1 0 1 S, 2 0 1 S OF BUSINESS AND TAKE THEIR BUSINESS TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
AND THEN WE'RE COMMITTED TO WALKING WITH THAT BUSINESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO PROVIDE EDUCATION, STRUCTURE, RESOURCES, AND NETWORKING, AND HELP THAT BUSINESS THRIVE.
SO, UH, I, I THINK WE'RE AT A GOOD INFANT STAGE AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE AND, UH, THE ZONING, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND THIS APPLICATION WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE THE NEXT STRIDES TO GO, UH, JUST DEEPER AND, AND BROADER IN OUR IMPACT.
WELL, LASTLY, UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT I, I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEEDS RESTRICTION ON HOUSING.
MR. CHAIR, SIR, I JUST AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT US GETTING INTO COMMENTARY IN THE MIDDLE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, PLEASE.
WE WE'RE, WE'RE JUST A BRIEF MOMENT AWAY FROM A MOTION, AND THEN WE CAN, UH, OPINE ON OUR CONCERNS.
THANK YOU, MR. CARSON, FOR YOUR RESPONSES, AND THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
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YOU, SIR.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I HAVE A MOTION.
AND CAN I DO MY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME ALSO A AFTER YOUR MOTION, WE'LL GET A SECOND AND THEN WE'LL COME TO YOUR COMMENTS, PLEASE.
UM, I, I, I MOVED TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE, UM, THIS ITEM.
UM, IT'S FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THIS ITEM, UH, CONTINGENT UPON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UH, FOR YOUR MOTION.
WE HAD LOTS OF SECONDS, BUT COMMISSIONER BLAIR WAS SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER IN THE MATTER OF Z 212 299.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, EXCUSE ME, BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, UH, AND ACCEPTING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT.
OR AN EMAIL COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UM, I WOULD WANT TO SAY PRIOR TO BECOMING A ZONING COMMISSION, I COMMISSIONER, I WAS HEAVILY, UM, INVOLVED WITH MEETINGS WITH, UH, WATERMARK.
I STARTED MEETING WITH THEM LAST, UM, UPON INVITATION LAST JUNE.
UM, UM, I ALSO WAS ONE OF THE ONES WHO IN THE BEGINNING WAS TOTALLY AGAINST WATERMARK EVEN HAVING ANYTHING.
BUT AS PROGRESSION HAPPENS, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THIS FACILITY IS A, IT WOULD BE A, WOULD BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY IF THEY SERVE AS TRUE COMMUNITY PARTNERS.
UM, WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL PROCESSES.
THE PD, UM, WAS, WAS ASKED TO BE TAKEN OFF THE TABLE BASED OFF OF THE WORK THAT THE SOUTH DALLAS FIRE PARK AREA PLAN TASK FORCE HAD BEEN DOING OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
UM, THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AFTER GETTING CLARITY ON IT, DID FIT THE, THE PLAN THAT THE TASK FORCE HAS, UM, FOCUSED ON.
THEY JUST SO HAPPENED SITTING ON A CORRIDOR, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SEVEN CHOSEN, THE SEVEN CORRIDORS FOR, UM, THE TASK FORCE TO FOCUS ON, WHICH IS THAT SECOND AVENUE L C FAY HIGGINS CORRIDOR.
UM, WE, WE WENT THROUGH SEVERAL PROCESSES OF WHAT COULD BE THERE AS FAR AS CLOUD KITCHENS, UM, SERVICES FOR OUR CHILDREN, UM, SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATORS, SO MANY THINGS THAT COULD FILL THE BUILDING UP THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE COMMUNITY SUITED, THE COMMUNITY AS NOT TO CREATE AND, UM, RECREATE, UM, SERVICES THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY AND WOULD COLLABORATE WITH THOSE, UH, NONPROFITS ALSO TO HELP BE AN INCUBATOR FOR SMALLER NONPROFITS.
UM, WE HAD FIVE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS.
EACH ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS HAD VERY ROUGH, UH, IT WAS ROUGH.
OFTENTIMES WE HAD COM ENGAGEMENT EVERY TIME WATERMARK CAME BACK WITH NEW IDEAS.
UM, THEY ALSO, UM, WE ASKED THEM TO CREATE THAT ADVISORY BOARD SO THAT WE CAN BE, THE COMMUNITY ITSELF WOULD HAVE SOMEONE IN PLACE.
THEY'VE ALSO WENT AS FAR AS ASKING THEM TO, BEFORE IT GETS THE COUNCIL TO VOTE ON ACTUALLY PUTTING COMMUNITY LEADERS ON THEIR CDC THAT REPRESENTS THE COMMUNITY AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH OTHER CHANGES.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF MISTRUST.
THAT MISTRUST STILL HAS NOT WENT AWAY FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND IT'S UP TO, WE'VE ASKED WATERMARK THAT WE HOPE THAT IF WE APPROVE THESE THINGS, THAT THE TRUST IS STILL THERE.
UM, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO ALSO DO A COMMUNITY BENEFITS AGREEMENT.
COUNSEL IS SAYING THAT HE'S GOING TO HEAD THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL, AGAIN, IT IS NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT SOME TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL SHOULD BE THERE.
THEY'VE LOOKED AT OPTIONS SUCH AS, UM, TRANSITIONAL TYPE OF, OF HOUSING FROM HOME OWNERSHIP TO START HOME OWNERSHIP TO TRANSFER OVER TO ACTUAL HOME BUYING.
UM, WE'VE, THE OLIVE BRANCH FROM THE COMMUNITY IS ALLOWING FOR THE ZONING AND HOPING THAT WHEN THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT, THAT THEY DO NOT TURN THEIR BACKS ON THIS COMMUNITY.
UM, AGAIN, THIS WAS THE, THE AREA PLANS THAT WERE LOOKED AT WAS THE HATCHER STATION PLAN, WHICH IS AGAIN, IS A T O D BASE, UH, AREA PLAN.
THE PD 5 95 AND THE CHANGES IN THE FUTURE THAT IS COMING, IT FIT WITHIN THAT.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT COMMUNITY, UM, MARKETS, ASKING THEM ABOUT COMMUNITY MARKETS IN THE PARKING LOT THAT FACES THE SECOND STREET AVENUE.
UM, THE BUSINESS THAT'S SURROUNDING, HOPING THAT WHAT THEY PUT INTO THIS BUILDING, IT WILL SPARK A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.
AND THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE ASKING WATERMARK TO WORK WITH THEM IN WHATEVER ECONOMIC, UH, CAPACITY THAT THEY CAN, UM, WITH THEIR TRAINING PROGRAMS TO HELP THOSE, THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS AND FUTURE BUSINESS OWNERS CREATE A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE THIS IS ALL SURROUNDED
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AROUND RESIDENTIAL.AND THEY ALSO ARE A GATEWAY AND A IN SIT RIGHT AT THE GATEWAY AND THE ENTRYWAY OF SOUTH DALLAS COMING FROM THE PLEASANT GROVE AREA AND IS A THROUGHWAY IN THE MORNINGS TIME, EVENING TIME.
I CAN SAY THAT I'VE DONE AS MUCH AS I CAN AS THE COMMISSIONER TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO THIS POINT.
UM, AND WITH HEART COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH TRUE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I BELIEVE THAT I, I CAN.
AND FINALLY PASS THIS AND LET COUNCIL DO THE NEXT PART.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
I SECOND THIS, SO I, I WILL BE SUPPORTING IT.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS TO THE, MY COMMISSIONERS WHO QUESTION WHY THERE IS NO RESIDENTIAL INCLUDED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL.
THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT HAS, UM, THEIR TRUST HAS BEEN ERODED BY WHAT OTHERS BEFORE WATERMARK HAS DONE.
AND I WATCHED FROM THE BACKSIDE THE WORK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER HAS PUT INTO THIS.
IN ORDER TO START SOMETHING, YOU HAVE TO START FROM SOMEWHERE.
AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, TRUST IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE TRUST, YOU CAN'T HAVE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THEY NEED GOOD DEVELOPMENT.
THEY DON'T NEED DEVELOPMENT THAT, THAT SAYS, I'M GOING TO PROMISE YOU THIS.
AND WHEN IT GETS BUILT, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
NOT HAVING THE RETAIL COMPONENT, THE, I'M SORRY, THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IN THIS PARTICULAR PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT GIVES THE COMMUNITY THE OLIVE BRANCH THAT SAYS, WHEN I COME BACK, I'M GOING TO COME BACK ON MY WORD, NOT ONLY AS MY WORD OF A DEVELOPER, BUT MY WORD AS, UH, MINISTER AND A AND A, A PERSON OF THAT WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT A EASY DEVELOPMENT.
AND LIKE I SAID, COMMISSIONER WHEELER HAS DONE A YEOMAN'S JOB OF EX HELPING THIS DEVELOPER AND THIS CONSULTANT BRING FORTH AN OLIVE BRANCH THAT STARTED OFF WITH, HECK NO, WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU, AND WE DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU.
TO ONE THAT SAYS, I WILL WORK WITH YOU IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY TO BRING, TO CHANGE THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM A STRUGGLING BLIGHTED NEIGHBORHOOD TO ONE THAT IS WILLING TO START THE PROCESS OF REVITALIZATION AND GROWTH.
SO I GIVE COM COMMISSIONER WHEELER, UH, HAND.
I GIVE THE CONSULTANT AND THE DEVELOPER A HAND AND THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER SAYING THAT THIS IS THE TIME WHERE WE SEE ACTUAL PARTNERSHIP WORKING.
I EVEN THINK I EVEN GIVE STAFF A BIG HAND BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT NONE OF THEM HAD TO DO, BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO IN ORDER TO GET THIS OVER THIS THRESHOLD INTO THE NEXT STEP.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UM, I TOO SUPPORT THIS, UM, THIS MISSION.
UM, AND THIS CASE WATCHING, LIKE COMMISSIONER BLAIR SAID, WATCHING THIS CASE FROM THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTY TO NOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONTROVERSY, AND I'M HAPPY WATERMARK DIDN'T WALK AWAY.
A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER INTENTIONS AND MAKE PURCHASES IN THE COMMUNITY IS FIGHTING THEM.
THEY WALK AWAY FROM IT AND SAID, HOPE YOU DEAL WITH, DEAL WITH WHATEVER COMES.
UM, OFTEN WE GET THAT, UH, IF, IF YOU DON'T GET THIS, YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, A POINTING OF A FINGER SIDE COME IN, UM, WATERMARK FOR STAYING IN, MAKING THE CHANGES.
AND FOR COMMISSIONER WHEELER COMING IN AND BRINGING THIS TO THE TABLE THE WAY IT DID, UH, THIS MODEL IS WHAT I LIKE TO CALL THE AMSTERDAM MODEL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WATCHED THAT TV SHOW, BUT IT'S AWESOME WHERE ALL THESE RESOURCES ARE IN ONE SPOT.
UM, WATERMARK IS KIND OF HIGHLIGHTING THAT, AND I I LOVE IT.
UM, WE NEED IT IN MORE PLACES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
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JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PEOPLE, OUR L G B T COMMUNITY DOESN'T WALK PAST THIS NEW FACILITY AND DON'T FEEL WELCOME TO THE RESOURCES.SO I WILL SAY THAT, UM, BUT THIS DOES HAVE MY SUPPORT.
UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN, PLEASE.
YEAH, I AM VERY PLEASED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TODAY.
AND FIRST WANT TO EXTEND MY APPRECIATION, KUDOS, CONGRATULATIONS TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER ON STEPPING IN IN THE MIDDLE OF A VERY CHALLENGING ZONING CASE AND MOVING THIS, UM, IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
SO MY, MY HAT'S OFF TO YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UM, I, I BRIEFLY TOUCHED THIS ONE IN BETWEEN, UM, COMMISSIONER VAN AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND, YOU KNOW, GOTTEN A CHANCE TO TOUR THE SIDE WITH, WITH MR. CROWLEY AND THE WATERMARK FOLKS.
AND IT IS TRULY IMPRESSIVE WHAT Y'ALL ARE DOING THERE.
AND YOU KNOW, MR. CROWLEY MENTIONED TO ME THAT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS, THERE WERE SOME MISSTEPS AND, YOU KNOW, THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY WAS ERODED, WHICH IS, IS VERY UNFORTUNATE.
UM, AND I AM ONE OF THE FOLKS WHO ALSO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, RESTRICTING OUT RESIDENTIAL USES FROM AN AREA WHERE OUR, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS ALREADY ALLOWED.
UM, BUT GIVEN THE ISSUES WITH TRUST, PARTICULAR TO THIS CASE, I, I AM COMFORTABLE SUPPORTING IT EVEN WITH THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT NO CASE THAT WE SEE AT THIS PLANNING COMMISSION SETS A PRECEDENT FOR ANY OTHER CASE THAT WE HEAR, THAT WE HEAR AT THIS BODY.
THAT DEED RESTRICTING OUR RESIDENTIAL USE, ALL RESIDENTIAL USES IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UM, IS REALLY PARTICULARLY CONCERNING IN LIGHT OF THE HOUSING CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE IN THIS CITY.
AND IT'S ONLY THE ASSURANCES THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT A ABSOLUTE NO TO HOUSING COMING INTO THE AREA, BUT AN ASSURANCE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ADDITIONAL ENGAGEMENT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HOUSING SOLUTIONS ARE HERE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE IS, IS WHAT HAS LED ME TO, YOU KNOW, BECOME OKAY WITH THIS.
BUT I REALLY DO THINK THAT THIS IS A UNICORN CASE WITH A UNICORN SOLUTION, AND THIS SHOULD NOT SIGNAL THAT THE BODY IS AMENABLE TO DEED RESTRICTIONS COMPLETELY DISALLOWING RESIDENTIAL USES IN, IN OTHER INSTANCES.
UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, AGAIN, KUDOS TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT CONTINUES ON THE SITE AND THE YEARS TO COME.
YOU KNOW, I TOO WILL BE DEFINITELY SUPPORTING THIS.
AND I THINK THAT THIS REPRESENTS THE BEST OF WHAT CAN COME OUT OF COMMUNITY MEETINGS, COMMUNITY NEGOTIATIONS, UH, AN APPLICANT WHO IS WILLING TO COMPROMISE.
UH, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE ABOUT THE HOUSING, QUITE FRANKLY, WE DON'T JUST NEED HOUSING IN DALLAS, WE ALSO NEED SERVICES, YOU KNOW, AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE GIVING SERVICES TO THE NEEDY SPEAKS TO SOMETHING ELSE.
TO ME, YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN HEAR THAT THE CITY CAN'T PROVIDE THINGS AND WE UNDERSTAND THEY'RE RESTRICTED IN WHAT THEY CAN DO, AND THAT OTHER COMMUNITY, UH, CHURCHES OR GROUPS SHOULD STEP UP TO THE PLATE.
AND I WANNA SAY, YOU HAVE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.
THIS IS THE REAL DEAL THAT YOU HAVE COME DOWN AND YOU ARE GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICES THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD NEVER HAVE ACCESS TO IF IT WEREN'T FOR WATERMARK DOING WHAT WE ALL WERE TAUGHT AS KIDS.
CHURCHES WERE MEANT TO DO THEIR MISSION TO THOSE THAT DO NOT HAVE.
SO I WANNA APPLAUD THAT AND I WANNA APPLAUD, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER IN JUST LIKE ME.
THIS CASE HAS COME SO FAR FROM MARCH 23RD WHEN WE FIRST WERE PRESENTED IT TO NOW, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY WHAT'S ENDED UP IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES EVERYONE HAPPY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, NOBODY WANTS TO FEEL LIKE SOME DEVELOPER HAS GOTTEN A ZONING THING BASED ON ONE THING.
THEN THEY FLIP IT AND PUT AN APARTMENT HOUSE UP, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE SOMETIMES IN THIS BODY HAVE SEEN.
SO I APPLAUD YOU CUZ IT WAS A BIG STEP TO RESTRICT FOR RIGHT NOW ALL THE RESIDENTIAL TO CREATE A TRUST WITH THE VERY NEIGHBORHOOD YOU WANT TO SERVE, THE BEST YOU CAN.
SO I WILL BE TOTALLY SUPPORTING
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THIS.I I JUST CAN'T SAY ENOUGH FROM BOTH PARTIES, BOTH FROM COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND FROM WATERMARK SOUTH IN THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE DEALT WITH THIS.
THIS IS THE BEST OF HOW THIS SYSTEM SHOULD WORK.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.
UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND KUDOS TO COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
I THINK, UM, THERE HAS BEEN A VERY CONCERTED EFFORT BY ALL PARTIES TO HEAR THE VOICES OF THE COMMUNITY YOU'RE WANTING TO SERVE.
AND SO WHILE I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT A BLANKET RESTRICTION ON ALL RESIDENTIAL, IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS WAS A VERY THOUGHTFUL DECISION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
I WOULD BE, UM, I THANK ALL YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT, BUT I DEFINITELY WILL BE AMISS AND WILL BE IN TROUBLE IF I DON'T SAY THESE THINGS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE HEALTH IS THE HEALTH, UH, CLINIC, THE, THE COMMUNITY WENT BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PARKLAND WHO IS A GREAT PARTNER.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF, UM, THE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT TO RECREATE THINGS, BUT TO COLLABORATE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE, OUR NONPROFITS WORK IN SILOS.
AND WHAT WATERMARK COULD OFFER THOSE NONPROFITS AND RESOURCES AND SILOS IS A FACILITY.
AND WORKING WITH THEM IN A FACILITY SERVES A GREAT, HAVING A FACILITY THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO PAY SAVES THE NONPROFIT A LOT OF MONEY, RENT CAN, CAN HELP OUR CHILDREN.
UM, SO THEM COLLABORATING AND THEY HAVE DONE THAT.
I MUST SAVE WITH OUR NONPROFITS AND OUR, OUR, AND PROVIDING A LOCATION.
UM, BUT OUR COMMUNITY IS VERY MUCH RICH IN RESOURCES.
UH, BUT WE ALSO ARE RICH IN PEOPLE WHO COME AND, AND, AND THINK.
THEY, I THINK THEY, WHEN WATERMARK CAME, THEY THOUGHT THEY KNEW WHAT WE WANTED BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DO.
AND WHEN THEY GOT TO SOUTH DALLAS, SOUTH DALLAS IS VERY STRONG.
YOU WILL NEVER HAVE A ZONING CASE IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT THE, THAT IS NOT THE WHOLE SOUTH DOLLAR ZONING CASE.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THEM ONES THAT THEY HAD TO MEET WITH EVERYBODY, NOT THE 200 TO 400 FEET.
UM, I, I, I MUST SAY THAT THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM.
I, I, I DO LOVE SOME PEOPLE THERE, BUT JUST BASING OFF WORKING WITH THEM.
BUT I HAD TO STICK AND HOLD THEM UP UNDER THE FIRE BECAUSE I WILL NEVER GO BACK.
I'M A COMMUNITY LEADER AND A COMMUNITY RESIDENT FIRST, AND I WILL NEVER GO AGAINST THE NEEDS OF MY COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY SOUTH DALLAS PROPER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? YES, COMMISSIONER HER.
UM, I, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE MS. CLEVELAND.
UM, SHE'S A STRONG VOICE IN THE COMMUNITY AND HER COMING TO SUPPORT WATERMARK WAS ALMOST A SHOCK, SO I REALLY TOOK THAT SERIOUSLY.
SO, TO ANYBODY WATCHING THIS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING FOR YOU MATTER, UM, BRINGING MS. CLEVELAND FORWARD WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE.
I DID NOT SEE YOUR HAND UP, SIR, PLEASE.
UH, I WANNA START SAYING THAT, UH, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION, UM, PRIMARILY BECAUSE I'M, I'M SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY AND, AND COMMISSIONER WHEELER AND, AND ALL THE GOOD WORK THAT SHE'S DONE.
I DO HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT, UM, THE HOUSING PORTION AND THE HIGHEST BEST USE OF LAND.
I FEEL LIKE WE ARE ADDRESSING THE BUILDING PORTION, BUT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ARE DERE RESTRICTING UNNECESSARILY, IN MY OPINION, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HOUSE CLERGYMEN AND, AND COMMON RESIDENTS AND TECHNICIANS AND WORKFORCE, UM, IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY THAT SOUTH DALLAS NEEDS AS A CATALYST.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE NOTION BEHIND MY HESITANCE.
UM, CUZ WITH, WITHOUT COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I WOULD HAVE BEEN AGAINST THIS.
UM, HOWEVER, I DO WANNA SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY.
I ALWAYS WILL SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UM, WITH THAT I SAY THAT I, I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION AND I WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UM, WATERMARK IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO GET A GOOD PRODUCT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, I'LL, I'LL JUST END IT UP BY SAYING THAT I WILL ALSO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION AND, UH, FOR ALL THE REASONS ALREADY MENTIONED BY MY COLLEAGUES.
ALSO, JUST LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UM, AS, AS VOLUNTEERS, OCCASIONALLY WE
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ARE ASKED TO DEAL WITH SOME PRETTY HEAVY ISSUES.AND SO I'M, UH, I'M VERY PROUD THAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER STEPPED INTO A, A PROCESS THAT HAD ALREADY STARTED, UH, AND HAS BEEN A TOUGH ONE.
WELL, I, I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU THAT IT'S GONNA GET EASIER FROM NOW ON, BUT IT'S NOT, UH, I, I THINK FRANKLY, UH, WE WERE PROBABLY SEEING THE BEGINNING OF A LONG-TERM FRIENDSHIP HERE.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE BUILT ON, ON TRUST AND, UM, I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE, UH, THE PARTNERSHIP THAT'S GONNA DEVELOP BETWEEN THE CHURCH, THE FACILITY, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WITH THAT COMMISSIONERS, WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, UH, WHEELER.
SECOND, MY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, TO CLOSE UP OF THE HEARING.
FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ACCEPTING TO DEED RESTRICTIONS AS EMAILED BY THE APPLICANT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT COMMISSIONERS.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE READY TO GET BACK ON THE RECORD.
IT IS 2:44 PM AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
OH WAIT, WE'RE ALMOST GONNA RECORD HERE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL GO BACK RIGHT INTO THE DOCKET.
CASE NUMBER 11 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE 16, THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SUNSET AVENUE AND SOUTH BISHOP AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU MS. MUNOS, THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, ROB BALDWIN 3 9 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B DALLAS.
UH, I'M GONNA ASK THAT THIS CASE BE HELD TILL, UH, JUNE 15TH.
DO WANNA LET YOU KNOW, AT THE LAST MEETING WE HEARD YOU LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT YOUR CONCERNS AND WE'VE, UH, SUBMITTED REVISED PD CONDITIONS.
DO I THINK WE'LL ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY THE FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG SUNSET, THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS THE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AT THE GROUND FLOOR, AND, UH, WE'VE DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
SO, UH, THOSE WILL BE THE, THE CONDITIONS AS YOU COME BACK AND SEE YOU ON THE 15TH.
UM, I HOPE THAT BY THEN YOU'LL SEE THAT WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT, UH, AT LEAST I HEARD AT THE, THE MEETING AND WE WORKED HARD WITH COMMISSIONER POPKIN ON THIS.
I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE THERE.
THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER PLEASE.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 3 21, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE 15TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
CHAIR NUMBER 12 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW TRACK ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACK FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 29 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF FOREST LANE, EAST OF WEB CHAPEL ROAD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED CO, EXCUSE ME, REVISED CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MS. MUNOS? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UH, YES I DO.
UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 212 DASH 3 39, I MOVE TO KEEP THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER OVER TO JUNE ONE BECAUSE WE ARE HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING ON MAY 22ND AT BRAMS ICE CREAM PARK.
I MIGHT STOP IT JUST TO YEAH, WE NEED, YEAH, SINA WILL BE THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT SUPERVISE
UH, COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND TO HOLD THE, THIS, UH, CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE 1ST.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
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13, WHOA.AN APPLICATION FOR A TH THREE, A TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SOUTH FITSU AVENUE AND THE NORTHEAST LINE OF CALDWELL AVENUE, NORTH OF SOUTH HASKELL AVENUE.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE? YES, SIR.
CAN YOU PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? GOOD AFTERNOON.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON DOWN THERE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, I'M THE OWNER FOR OF THE LOT ON 14 19 50 AVENUE, AND WE WANTED TO REQUEST THE ZONING CHANGE FOR TS THREE.
UH, I, UH, I'VE PULLED UP THE SITE PLAN HERE AND TO FURTHER OUR, CAUSE I'M VOLUNTEERING, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS TO LIMIT TWO DWELLINGS ON THE LOT, UH, AND ATTACHED AND, UH, ONE FACING CALDWELL STREET AND THE OTHER ONE FACING FITSU AVENUE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE PLAN HAS A DETA, UH, HAS AN ATTACHED, UH, BACK WALL TO, UH, CONFORM WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS IF YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS.
SIR, CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YOUR ADDRESS? UH, 1419 SOUTH FIT AVENUE.
THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, SIR? YES.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I DON'T SEE YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? UH, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
UH, I OH, YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I'LL GO AFTER YOU ON THE ATTACHED GARAGES.
ARE THEY GOING, IS THE DRIVE TO THOSE GOING TO BE ON IN THAT MIDDLE PART OR IS IT GONNA BE ON THE SIDE? YOU, YOU MEAN AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? WHICH, WHERE IS THE GARAGES GOING TO BE? THOSE ARE THE TWO GARAGES.
AM I RIGHT? THE SMALLEST, THE SMALLEST SECTION OF IT.
UM, THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE MASTER SUITES, SO IT'S THE MASTER CLOSET BATHROOM AND THE MASTER BEDROOM HERE.
AND WHERE'S THE GARAGE IS AT AGAIN? THE GARAGE IS IN THE FRONT.
WE'RE LEADING UP TO THE FRONT LOADING GARAGE.
BECAUSE IT'S IN A BRIEFING, WE ASK EXCEPTION.
SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR, UH, YOUR SITE PLAN HERE.
SO I'M, I'M, UH, SO WHAT THIS, THIS IS COMMUNICATING TO ME IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY LOOK LIKE THE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET KIND OF MIRROR THE SAME KIND OF DESIGN.
AND, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE SHARED WALL IS DONE, THEREBY IT LOOKS LIKE BY A CLOSET, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT A BIG CLOSET THERE IN THE BACK? SIGNIFICANTLY? YES.
TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE BACKYARD, UH, AREA ALSO.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.
SO IS THE YARD THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, IS THAT GONNA BE A SHARED YARD OR WOULD THAT HAVE A FENCE DOWN THE CENTER OF IT? YOU WANT HELP? OKAY.
NO, IT'S, IT'S AN INGENIOUS DESIGN.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF
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Z TWO 12 DASH 3 47.I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TO DENY THE REQUEST.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
MY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S TIME.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THIS, WE DID, UM, HOLD TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON SITE.
I THINK AS WE HEARD IN THE BRIEFING TODAY, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF VERY DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION.
BUT WHAT HAS BECOME APPARENT TO ME IN LOOKING AT THIS CASE IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUR ZONING CODE FIT A PROJECT THAT ISN'T ALLOWED AND ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT I HEARD VERY CONSISTENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND THE FIRST QUESTION I WAS ASKED IS, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES? THERE ARE TWO VACANT PROPERTIES IN IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY TO THIS, AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT EACH CASE IS EVALUATED SEPARATELY, IT IS HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THIS CASE AND THEN POTENTIALLY SEE A FUTURE CASE AND NOT THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND OUR LACK OF HOUSING IN THIS CITY.
I UNDERSTAND OUR LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS CITY.
I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE TOOLS WE DO HAVE FIT.
AND A MID-BLOCK R FIVE SITE, IN MY VIEW IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
UM, I HEARD THAT CLEARLY FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
IT IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY IN THAT REGARD.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT SEEM THAT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO CONSIDER THIS, BUT IT IS NOT ON THE EDGE OF A DISTRICT.
IT IS NOT WELL CLOSE TO A CS ZONING DISTRICT.
IT IS EMBEDDED WITHIN A STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
I HAD MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS REACH OUT TO ME ON THIS.
WE HAD MULTIPLE FOLKS WHO WERE AT THE MEETING.
UM, WE REACHED OUT TO JUBILEE PARK, WHO IS THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THIS EXISTS.
THE RECREATION CENTER, UM, GOT IN CONTACT, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
UM, THEY DO A BLOCK WALK DISTRIBUTION WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY.
WE HAD THREE BALLOTS IN OPPOSITION OF THIS.
AND I JUST, I LOOK FORWARD TO FINDING A SOLUTION FOR OUR CITY'S CHALLENGES AND TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES.
I KNOW THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR TEAM ARE, ARE DEVELOPING PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY STARTED AT, AT THIS SITE LOOKING AT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
IT WAS ONLY WHEN THEY REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT JUST A TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THEY SAW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TWO SITES.
BUT AN OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE LONG-TERM VISION OF THE COMMUNITY.
I HOPE MY COM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT ME ON THIS REQUEST AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT AND ON THEIR FUTURE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR THE MOTION AND FOR THE MOTION TO DENY, BUT, UH, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THIS HAS CHANGE, BUT IT IS INCREMENTAL, REASONABLE CHANGE.
UM, I, I NOTED THE REMARK THAT THIS IS A STAGE STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
UH, I SEE NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT DISRUPTS A STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
IT IS TWO RESIDENCES, UM, THAT ARE, UM, FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME LAND USE AS WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE IS THESE, THESE ARE VERY UNIQUE LOTS.
I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT OUR, OUR CODE AND OUR ORDINANCES HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO TO SUPPORT, UH, INFILL HOUSING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, TODAY IN THE BRIEFING.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE JUST SIT AND WAIT TO SOME UNDETERMINED FUTURE DATE TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT.
BUT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING IT NOW.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LET, UH, PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD.
SO, UH, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
YEAH, I TOO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UM, TOOK MOST OF THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF E S P OR ANYTHING, BUT THE THING THAT I'LL ADD IS, YOU KNOW, I HEARD THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE RIGHT NOW FOR SORT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE GREAT TOOLS.
I THINK THE TOOLS ARE VERY POORLY SUITED FOR IT.
BUT FORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE, YOU
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KNOW, TOOLS WITH THAT INCLUDE CERTAIN DISTRICTS AND DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE THE PROCESS MUCH MORE ONEROUS, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD THIS SORT OF INFILL.AND IN LIGHT OF OUR CURRENT SITUATION WITH THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, THE HOUSING CRISIS AS SOME PEOPLE MAY CALL IT, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THESE TOOLS, UM, WHILE ALSO WORKING TOWARDS LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS FOR HOW TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL HOUSING THAT IS SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DO THINK THAT THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS DO, DO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THESE, THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY? NO, I, YOUR HAND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
I SUPPORTED THE MOTION BECAUSE FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS NOT FAR FROM HERE, LIKE BELMONT PARK WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS UNDER DEVELOPING LAND.
THERE'S LOTS OF MF TWO LOTS, UM, WALKING DISTANCE FROM THIS LOT WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE ROUTINELY DEVELOPING THE LAND AS SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX.
PERHAPS WE CAN START WITH A POLICY THAT REQUIRES THEM TO FULLY DEVELOP THEIR LAND INSTEAD OF GOING INTO STABLE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND SLOWLY ERODING AND DESTABILIZING THOSE COMMUNITIES.
AND, AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A VERY LONG TIME, REALLY STARTING TO COME UP AND BECOME MORE STABLE AND BECOME MORE AFFLUENT AND HAVE MORE AMENITIES AVAILABLE TO IT.
AND FOR US TO SIT AROUND AND SAY, WELL, IT'S CHANGE AND WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
AND SO GOSH, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PUT IT RIGHT HERE IN A, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SOUTH OF 30 AND, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO FAIR PARK, WHICH EVERYBODY HAS THEIR EYES ON THESE DAYS AND THEY'RE PROBABLY THEIR FINGERS IN THE KITTY BEFORE ALONG.
UH, IT'S COMPLETELY UNFAIR TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND YOU OKAY WITH THERE
IT SHOULD BE THE PLACE THAT DEVELOPERS WANNA MAINTAIN AND BUILD WHAT IT'S RIGHTFULLY THERE.
UM, THOUGH I I I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER'S INTEREST IN INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT NEEDS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT SUPPORTS AND PROMOTES THIS COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF BEING SOMETHING THAT FRANKLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF IT.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT IS HARD.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S THE RE THIS MORNING THAT I ASKED FOR THAT CONCEPTUAL DRAWING TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WITH THIS BEING FACING TWO STREETS.
UM, I CAN'T ASK, I CAN'T ASK HIM ANYTHING ELSE.
I CAN'T, I'M NOT, UM, WHEN THEY FACING TWO STREETS AND, AND WHEN WE HAVE THESE LONGER LOTS THAT SIT IN THE COMMUNITY, MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T HAVE A SECOND STREET.
AND THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT'S VERY HARD, ESPECIALLY MAKING IT LOOK LIKE TWO, TWO HOUSES.
BUT I'M ALSO A PERSON THAT BELIEVES COMMUNITY FIRST.
SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, AND IT'S BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPOKE, BUT IF THE COMMUNITY HAD NOT SPOKE, I WOULD APPROVE THIS IN A HEARTBEAT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN.
BUT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPOKE, I WOULD DEFINITELY, THIS IS, IT'S NEVER EASY.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S PERFECT FOR THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE OF THE TWO STREETS AND THE SETBACKS AND THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.
YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.
I, OKAY, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, IF THIS WAS JUST A A ALLEY, IT WOULD BE A NO, BUT BECAUSE CALDWELL, THESE STREET, BOTH OF THESE STREETS HAVE UNKEPT BACKYARDS.
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THIS IS, I'M GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ON THAT ONE.BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE NOT I'LL.
I'VE TRAVELED THEM AND I'LL FILL IN A GAP WHILE YOU THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, I WILL ALSO NOW BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS, UH, STATED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, COMMISSIONER RUBEN.
UH, I THINK IT IS THE IDEAL PLACE TO, UH, DEVELOP THIS KIND OF PRODUCT.
IN FACT, UH, I SPENT MORE THAN THAT AN HOUR OVER THERE YESTERDAY, AND I WALKED THIS VERY STREET.
IN FACT, I WALKED UP AND DOWN OLIVE OIL, AND I WALKED UP AND DOWN FITZ, YOU.
AND IT IS A STABLE COMMUNITY, UH, HOW ADDING THESE TWO HOMES, ONE FACING EITHER STREET IS GONNA BE A DESTABILIZING FORCE.
UH, IN FACT, UH, IF THIS WAS TO BE BUILT, UH, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW IT.
UH, YOU JUST WALKED DOWN THOSE STREETS AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER LITTLE HOUSE FACING ANOTHER LITTLE HOUSE.
UM, SO I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT OR THE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR INFILL TOOLS ARE NOT EXACTLY, UH, PROBABLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE, BUT AS COMMISSIONER RUBEN SAID, WE DO HAVE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE USE ALL THE TIME, UH, THAT COULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS APPLICANT TO EXACTLY WHERE, UH, WE HAVE DONE SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN.
AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I JUST CANNOT EX SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
COMMISSIONER TREADER, THANK YOU, CHAIR.
I SHARE, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S, SORT OF, I'M OF TWO MINDS.
I, I THINK, CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THE, THE SCHEMATIC FOR WHAT YOU WOULD BUILD HERE? RYAN, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT, PLEASE? OH, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
WHEN WE WERE GETTING BRIEFED THIS MORNING, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A BIT OF AN ODD DUCK, BUT I ALSO AM, I APPRECIATE THAT THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WORTH, THAT IS WORTH BEARING NOTE.
I MEAN, THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A REAL DESIRE TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT FITS IN WITH THE CONTINUITY OF THE BLOCK FACE ON BOTH SIDES ALSO CREATES TWO GOOD LIVABLE UNITS.
I WAS A BIT CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU WOULD HAVE THESE GO BACK TO BACK WHEN WE WERE TOLD THIS MORNING THAT THEY HAD TO BE ATTACHED.
I, I THINK IT IS A GOOD DESIGN, AND I THINK THANK YOU.
YOU KNOW, WHEREAS THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TRYING TO SKETCH, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR ME TO DO, HOW THIS WOULD WORK, UM, I WAS HAVING SOME PROBLEMS SEEING LIKE, IS IT REALLY GONNA BE TWO GOOD HOUSES? WOULD IT REALLY FIT WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY? UM, I, I THINK I'M NOW LEANING TO THE SIDE OF, YOU SHOULD GET TO TRY, UM, BECAUSE STAFF AND YOU HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TWO GOOD HOMES.
AND WHILE WE DON'T HAVE PERFECT TOOLS, WE KNOW WE NEED MORE OPTIONS.
AND SOMETIMES THOSE OPTIONS AREN'T AS NEAT AS ALL OF US WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE.
YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOLLOW COMMISSIONER HARBERT? YES.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, AT FIRST, LIKE THIS IS ONE LITTLE LOT AND IT'S NOT SOME GREAT BIG CASE, LIKE A 250 LEVEL APARTMENT, AND YET IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST ONES I'VE EVER HAD, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I DO SEE THE THING, I MEAN, BASICALLY IT'S GONNA FUNCTION LIKE A HOUSE ON EACH STREET, OKAY.
AS OPPOSED TO A SIDE BY SIDE QUOTE UNQUOTE DUPLEX, WHICH MAKES IT A UNIQUE ANSWER TO A VERY NARROW LOT IN HOW YOU CAN UTILIZE IT THE BEST POSSIBLE.
BUT THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHICH I DON'T HAVE THE COPIES OF THOSE, BUT THREE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE TOTALLY AGAINST IT IN THE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHY, BUT THEN I HAVE TO ASK MYSELF THE QUESTION, OKAY, WOULD I WANT THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK IN MY DISTRICT IF I LIVED ON THAT STREET? AND I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO ANY OF THOSE, AND THEN AT A STALEMATE.
SO I HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT I'M DOING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY WHERE I WAS
I MEAN, WHEN IT'S BEEN PRESENTED, UM, I WALKED THE STREET AS WELL.
UH, I GREW UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU WALKED OUT THE SH THE HOUSE AND YOU FACE BRICK WALLS OR, UM, SOMETHING THAT WASN'T ANOTHER HOME.
THERE'S A CORNER LOT WHERE A HOME FACES ANOTHER HOME.
WHEN SOMEONE WALKS OUT OF THEIR DOOR, THEY FACE ANOTHER HOME.
CURRENTLY, IN MY CURRENT HOME, WHEN I WALK OUT, I SEE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE.
SO I'M NOT COMPLAINING, RIGHT? BUT IF I WALKED OUT OF MY HOME AND SAW SOME OF THE OVERGROWN TREES, SOME OF THE EMPTY LOTS, I WOULD WANT SOMETHING OTHER THAN A BACKYARD THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY, UM, I SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TWO HOMES FACING EACH STREET.
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RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE ARE FAIRLY NEW.
UM, AND WHEN THEY, THESE PEOPLE WALK OUT OF THEIR DOOR, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES.
UM, AND THAT JUST DOESN'T SCREAM COMMUNITY TO ME.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
I THINK IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS IN LAKEWOOD OR PRESTON HOLLOW, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERING IT.
I THINK THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN JUBILEE MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE TO BE CONSIDERING IT.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE DESIGN AND FACING TWO DIFFERENT STREETS.
IT'S ABOUT PUTTING TWO UNITS ON ONE LOT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS CERTAIN LOT SIZES, THAT'S DEVELOPED A CERTAIN WAY THAT SINGLE FAMILY AND THE COMMUNITY HAS COME TOGETHER, GONE TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND SAID THEY DON'T WANT THIS.
THEY ARE STANDING UP FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, MY BACKGROUND HAS BEEN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION IS IMPORTANT.
THIS COMMUNITY HAS SAID WE DON'T WANT IT.
AND I, AND TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S POINT, THERE ARE OTHER VACANT LOTS IN THE AREA, AND IF WE SAY YES TO THIS, THEN SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME BY AND HAVE THEIR EYE ON THOSE LOTS AND SAY, I WANNA PUT TWO UNITS ON THOSE LOTS TOO.
AND MAYBE THE FIRST PROJECT DOESN'T COMPLETELY DESTABILIZE THIS COMMUNITY.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE TURN A SINGLE FAMILY LOT IN A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY INTO DUPLEX OR TOWN HOME ZONING BEFORE IT DOES DESTABILIZE IT? HOW MANY TIMES DO WE TAKE THAT SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND SHRINK IT DOWN BEFORE WE DESTABILIZE THAT COMMUNITY? WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO HERE, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT DOING THAT AND WHY I SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER'S MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECOND ROUND.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, MR. CHAIR.
OH, AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR HASN'T SPOKEN.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE ALL THE REASONS WHY COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I CAN SEE THIS, BUT IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT LOT SIZES TODAY IS BECAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION, THE ORIGINAL PLAN AS IT STARTED WAS TWO DETACHED HOUSES.
AND I, I SAW A FUTURE SUBMISSION COMING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION THAT WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT AND SPOKE TO LOT SIZE, SPOKE TO HOW WOULD THIS ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED? COULD THE DEVELOPER ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT HE HAS STATED, WHICH HAS LED TO THIS PLAN.
TODAY, I'M GOING TO USE THE ANALOGY OF A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE.
IT TOOK THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
IT TOOK PROFFERED DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT STILL AREN'T THERE, QUITE FRANKLY, BASED ON WHAT'S IN OUR DOCKET TO ACTUALLY BUILD WHAT IS BEING SHOWN TO US THIS AFTERNOON.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL REQUIRE THIS 20 FOOT SETBACK.
I APPRECIATE MR. MULE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DRIVE AND THE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT'S SHOWN HERE.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT THIS IS BUILT.
THIS IS A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE ARE APPROVING.
IT CAN BE BUILT UP TO 36 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE 30 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE LOT COVERAGE THAT IS ALLOWED IS 45%.
THIS ZONING DISTRICT BY RIGHT WILL ALLOW UP TO 60%.
WE ARE AUTHORIZING A PROJECT OUT OF SCALE AND OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A PATH FORWARD TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE PROJECTS LIKE THIS WORK IN PROJECTS LIKE THIS WORK IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH EVERYONE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE.
I THINK WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T FIND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO HELP SOLVE OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE.
THIS LOCATION IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK, IN A STABLE COMMUNITY IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT.
IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY, AND THEREFORE I CANNOT SUPPORT IT.
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BLAIR, I WILL BE SUPPORTING, UM, UH, CAR, UM, I'M SORRY, HAMPTON COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S MOTION.AND HERE ARE MY REASONS WHY THERE IS AN EXISTING, UM, PATTERN.
THE PATTERN IS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
UM, THERE IS THE NEED FOR HOUSING, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
UM, I, WE'D NEVER ASK THE QUESTION OF THESE RENT OR FOR SALE.
IF THEY'RE FOR SALE, THEN WE HAVE, WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE US, AND THAT WOULD BRING FORTH SOME MORE CHALLENGES.
UH, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON WHY IS FOR THE SAME REASON I SUPPORTED THE LAST MOTION IN THE LAST CASE IS BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY AND, AND HEARING THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANTED.
UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT COMMUNITY SUPPORT, COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
AND WE HAVE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT SAYS THEY DON'T WANT IT.
IF WE HAD THE SAME OR EVEN ONE THAT CAME FORWARD AND SAID, I DO WANT IT, BUT THERE'S NO ONE HERE.
SO BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, MAY I ASK, UH, MR. AL SOME QUESTIONS? SURE.
SO YOU HEARD, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALREADY VOLUNTEERED SOME DEEDS RESTRICTIONS, RIGHT? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE OH, OKAY.
AND YOU ALSO HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND THE TH THREE BEING 36 VERSUS THE HEIGHT IN THE TH OR IN THE RE ADJACENT R FIVE BEING 30.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER IN ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTION TO LIMIT HEIGHT TO 30? I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING, THAT IF HEIGHT AND, UH, LOT COVERAGE ARE AN ISSUE, WE CAN EASILY, UM, UH, VOLUNTEER THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
AND, UM, ALSO IF I MAY ADD A, A FEW COMMENTS, UH, SIR, I, WE, IT'S REALLY NOT HERE.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE, AN ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTION 30 FEET HEIGHT LIMIT.
UM, 45% LOT COVERAGE, RIGHT? YES.
WHAT ABOUT A 20 FOOT SETBACK ALONG CALDWELL? I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT JUST YES, THE SITE PLAN IS NOT PART OF THE DEED RESTRICTION, SO WOULD YOU, SO YES, FOR SURE.
UM, JUST SOME BRIEF ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
I, I HEAR THE EQUITY CONCERNS, UM, BEING RAISED BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS IN SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 30, AND I HEAR THAT, BUT I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THAT THE SOLUTION TO THOSE CONCERNS ISN'T TO SAY NO TO THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADD, YOU KNOW, TWO HOUSING UNITS AS OPPOSED TO ONE HOUSING UNIT ON THAT LOT FIRST.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION'S BROUGHT UP WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR THESE TWO HOUSING UNITS? WELL, THERE ARE PROBABLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO NEEDS SOME PLACE TO LIVE WHO DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR NEXT HOME IS.
AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO COME HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THESE TWO UNITS YET BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT.
AND THAT'S A NEED THAT TONS OF PEOPLE HAVE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE EQUITY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SAYING NO IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, I DON'T THINK IT'S THE ANSWER.
I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY ALSO START SAYING YES AND LOOKING AT MORE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
YOU KNOW, I LIVE JUST SOUTH OF LAKEWOOD AND I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE START THINKING ABOUT CREATIVE SOLUTIONS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, A A AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, CREATIVITY HAS BEEN MET WITH, YOU KNOW, OPPOSITION NORTH OF I 30 DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD START TALKING ABOUT CREATIVE HOUSING SOLUTIONS NORTH OF I 30 IN SOME OF THE MORE AFFLUENT AREAS AND SOUTH OF I 30, LIKE ON THE SUBJECT SITE THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
SO I HOPE THAT, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL, UM, EMBRACE THIS, THIS ONE SOLUTION WHICH DOESN'T SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS, BUT TAKES ONE, MAKES ONE LITTLE DENT IN THE PROBLEM THAT WE FACE TODAY.
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SECOND ROUND.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION.
I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THE PACKET, THREE PEOPLE CHECKED OPPOSITION, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE SUBMITTED AND THEY SEEM TO BE CONFUSED, WHICH I AM NOT SURPRISED BY.
THEY ARE NOT IN SUPPORTIVE A TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS UNDER THE TH THREE.
SO IS THERE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY OPPOSITION THAT I HAVE MISSED SOMEWHERE IN THE DOCKET? THREE BALLOTS WERE RETURNED, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE SUBMISSION AND IT, ONE, IT SEEMS CONFUSED ABOUT THE ZONING ITSELF.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF LIKE OVERNIGHT, SO IF I'VE MISSED SOMETHING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M AWARE CUZ I DO, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
YES, I DO TAKE COMMUNITY, UM, OPPOSITION IN, INTO EFFECT INTO MY CALCULATION.
I ALSO TAKE INTO EFFECT THAT THERE'S NO ONE HERE IN PERSON OPPOSING THIS, WHICH I, TO ME ALSO SENDS A SIGNAL OF, OF, OF OPPOSITION.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE PROS AND CONS ON BOTH SIDES, BUT I THINK TO ME, I'M STILL GOING TO WEIGH IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A CREATIVE SOLUTION.
UM, IT'S NOT WITHOUT ITS OWN PROBLEMS, BUT I DON'T SEE A SERIOUS OPPOSITION OR VOICE FROM THE COMMUNITY HERE.
HOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT AT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING? WELL, UM, I GUESS CAN, I GUESS I MIGHT BE ASKING, WE'RE KIND OF PAST QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN, AN ANSWER, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WAS THERE.
CAUSE THAT'S GOING BE THE COURT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON HAMPTON.
YOU GUYS ARE TWIN CUZ YOU SIT RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
UM, THERE WERE I THINK FIVE PEOPLE AT THE FIRST MEETING.
WE HAD OUTREACH TO OVER 500 PEOPLE THROUGH JUBILEE PARK.
AND THEN WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK FIVE PEOPLE AT THE FOLLOW UP MEETING, INCLUDING THE FOUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE DIRECTLY SURROUNDING THIS LOT.
SO I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, AND I, AND I, WHEN WHEN THERE'S SMALL ENGAGEMENTS, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING AND BECAUSE IT GETS TRICKY.
CUZ IT COULD BE THE FIVE PEOPLE THAT JUST SHOW UP TO EVERYTHING.
RIGHT? AND, BUT MY, I I CAN'T SEE THAT.
MY CONCERN, MY, I REALLY WOULD'VE LOVED IF WE COULD HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM THE CALDWELL STREET.
UM, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS NOT TYPICAL.
IT'S ALMOST SEEM LIKE THE CITY SHOULD HAVE MADE CALDWELL A ALLEY.
UM, BECAUSE THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE LOOKING AT, AT BACK OF, AND, AND I'M, I'M, LISTEN, I'M IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND I GET THE WHAT CAN HAPPEN CUZ THERE'S REASONS THAT I'M OPPOSED TO SOME, BUT THIS, THAT, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE TWO STREETS, THE TWO, TWO SIDE STREETS.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT SOMEONE WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S A DUPLEX IF THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE YARD AND EVERYONE ON CARPENTER IS LOOKING IN, WHICH NEWER HOMES ARE LOOKING AT BACKYARDS.
THIS IS THAT, THIS IS NOT TYPICAL US SAYING WE JUST WANNA REZONE SOMETHING.
THIS IS SAYING THIS LOOKS LIKE A PRODUCT THAT CAN, IF IT, IF THIS WAS IN DISTRICT SEVEN AND IT WAS THE SAME AND WITH TWO STREETS AND NOT EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD SAY YES.
BUT IF IT WAS WITH A ALLEY, I WOULD SAY NO.
I, I'M GONNA SAY THAT, I'M GOING, I'M GONNA GO WITH THIS ONE.
BUT I ALSO KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WE USED TO JUST HAVE FIVE PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR MEETINGS.
CAUSE NOBODY, CUZ THE ENGAGEMENT FACTOR.
SO I'M GONNA DEFINITELY GO WITH ON THIS ONE ONLY BECAUSE IT'S OF TWO STREETS.
SO I'M GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, WITH STAFF.
UM, DID YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO ROUNDS? I THINK YOU DID.
OKAY, SO THIS IS MY LAST ROUND.
UH, AGAIN, UM, JUST TO RE REITERATE, UH, THIS VERY SAME SCENARIO, WITH THE SAME SIZE, LOTS FACING TWO STREETS ANYWHERE IN TOWN, I WOULD SUPPORT SUPPORTED MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IN FACT, I KNOW I HAVE SAID BEFORE, I, I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE SIDE OF MY STREET LEADS TO ABOUT 300 HOMES.
THE OTHER SIDE ENDS ON TOWN HOMES.
THAT STREET ENDS ON APARTMENTS, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE ENDS ON PRESTON ROAD.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHICH WE JUST, UH, UP ZONED A PROJECT FOR 2000 UNITS.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS PERFECTLY STABLE.
UH, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
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MOVING FORWARD.ANY OTHER FOLKS HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND ROUND? OKAY.
CAN WE TAKE A RECORDED VOTE PLEASE? YES.
ARE DO WE VOTE ON THIS AND THEN IF THERE'S CHANGES TO THE YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE VOTING ON A MOTION TO DENY THIS.
SO YOU WOULD VOTE YES IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPLICATION.
WELL, WE, WE ALREADY WENT TOROUS.
IF IT'S A QUE YES PLEASE QUESTION.
BUT IF WE, IF WE VOTE TO PROVE IS IT GONNA BE WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTIONS, THIS IS OKAY.
THIS, THIS VOTE IS ON THE MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION AND THEN IF IT MOVES FORWARD, IT MOVES FORWARD.
IF IT GETS, IF THIS MOTION IS DENIED, IF IT FAILS, THEN ANOTHER MOTION WILL BE MADE.
NO, THIS IS GONNA BE A RANDOM ORDER.
SO, SO ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF DENIAL? NO.
CAN I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? NO.
IN THE MATTER OF THANK YOU Z 2 12 347, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW, UM, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT, INCLUDING THOSE JUST VOLUNTEERED AT THE PODIUM.
UM, CONSIDERING THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT AT THE PODIUM HAVE KIND OF COME IN A LITTLE HODGEPODGE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO READ ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS INTO THE RECORD.
AND IF HE'S OKAY WITH THAT, I CAN SHOOT YOU AN EMAIL REAL QUICK.
THAT SHOULD BE ON ITS WAY TO YOU.
UH, I AGREE TO ALL THESE DE RESTRICTIONS AND I'LL, UH, REPLY TO THAT EMAIL.
CAN YOU READ THEM OUT LOUD, SIR, PLEASE? SO HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING DE RESTRICTIONS.
THE PROPERTY IS LIMITED TO MAXIMUM OF TWO DWELLING UNITS.
SECOND ONE IS, IF THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH TWO DWELLING UNITS, ONE UNIT MUST FACE SOUTH FITZ AVENUE AND ONE DWELLING UNIT MUST FACE CALDWELL AVENUE E.
BOTH PROPERTIES HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 30 FEET AND MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF 45%.
ALSO, A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK PACK, UH, ON SOUTH AVENUE IS REQUIRED.
AND A 20 FOOT FRONT SIDE FRONTIER ON CALDWELL AVENUE IS REQUIRED.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.COMMISSIONER RUBEN, PLEASE? MY MOTION? YOUR MOTION? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO, UH, CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 1 12 347.
A FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, UH, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY THE APPLICANT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
PLEASE PUT YOUR HANDS SO I CAN SEE OPPOSE.
R BLAIR 14 KINGSTON HAMPTON AND STANDARD MOTION PASSES.
ITEM 14, KC 2 23 DASH HUNDRED 17.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN NOA NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT, AND A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GLENFIELD AVENUE, WEST OF SOUTHAMPTON ROAD.
STATUS RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? HE'S ONLINE.
YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA ON? YES.
YEAH, THERE YOU CAN SEE ME? YEAH, WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS SIR.
COULD YOU JUST PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? SURE.
COMRAN BAUCH BOUCH BROTHERS DEVELOPMENT 24 49 BARLOW AVENUE.
OUR OFFICE ADDRESS IS 100 CRESCENT COURTS UNIT 700 IN DALLAS.
DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE, SIR? ARE YOU JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH.
WELL, SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, MF TWO ZONING CHANGE FROM ATTACHED OFFICE IN THIS LOCATION, UH, TO BRING MORE ATTAINABLE HOME PRICES TO THE LOCATION AND MORE DENSITY.
UM, WE SPOKE TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
WE ASKED THEM ORIGINALLY WHAT THEIR, THEIR, UH, HURDLES WERE, WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHERE THEIR OWN LOTS.
IT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE HOUSES WERE 1945 TO 1965, BUILD 800 TO 1100 SQUARE FOOT.
SO THEY'RE ADDING LIKE ADU OR CONVERTING GARAGES TO GET ADDITIONAL SPACE.
SO WE ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR TOWN HOMES.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE REALLY INTO TOWN HOMES.
SO, UH, WE WERE SUBMITTING FOR MF TO A, LIKE A DUPLEX DESIGN STYLE TOWN HOME FOLLOWING PROXIMITY SLOPE UP TO 26 FOOT IS THEIR NEXT RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN DRAWN OUT AS WELL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER ARRU? UH, YEAH, NICE TO SEE YOU MR. PALU.
I THINK IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.
UM, WOULD YOU MIND SHARING THAT CONCEPT PLAN? SURE, SURE.
I, I KNOW WE MET MAYBE LATE LAST YEAR AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CHANGED.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN LOOKED LIKE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO MULTITASK, I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU IF THAT.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD VOLUNTEERED SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS.
WHAT'S THE INTENT OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THOSE? UM, THE INTENT ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IS LIKE GIVING THEM THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF WHAT THEY WANTED.
THEY NEEDED GARAGES, SO WE WANTED TO DEED RESTRICTION ON TWO CAR GARAGE.
UH, THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE FOR PRIVACY.
WE HAVE A 10 FOOT PRIVACY BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE DUPLEXES.
UH, WE'RE CREATING A NEW FENCE IN BETWEEN THOSE AS WELL.
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NEIGHBORS WITH THEIR FENCES, UM, EITHER REMOVAL AND DOUBLE SIDE OR JUST HELPING THEM OBTAIN THEIR LOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR PRIVACY.ALSO, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS ON HEIGHT FOR THE 26 FOOT ON PROXIMITY SLOPE FOR MF TWO, UH, DUE TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO OVERPOWER THE AREA.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN UP, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
I JUST KIND OF WANT HER TO TAKE ONE, ONE LAST PEEK AT IT OR ONE PEAK AT IT IF IT'S CHANGED, BUT I KNOW SHE STILL WORKING ON IT.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS GOING.
UH, MR. BAUCH, UM, I HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHARED WITH ME BEFORE THE LAST MEETING.
HAS IT CHANGED SINCE THEN? UM, IT SHOULD BE THE SAME.
IS THIS THE CORRECT ONE? YES, THAT'S THE CORRECT CONCEPT.
AND MR ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, YOUR PROPOSALS THOSE SIX BUILDINGS THAT KIND OF FORM THE L SHAPE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.
UM, SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE PACKET WE RECEIVED, THERE WERE SEVEN OPPOSITIONS.
ONE OF THEM MENTIONED THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW JUST BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, IT'S ALL OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT? YEAH, SO THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE SPOKE TO DIRECTLY WERE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT SHOWS ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE.
UH, SPOKE TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT IT.
UM, THIS PROBABLY STARTING OVER A YEAR AGO.
SO ASKING 'EM WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT CHALLENGES THEY HAD.
AND I MEAN, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, UM, ON OUR PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE WILL BE A STOP SIGN.
I KNOW WE DO WANNA GIVE PEOPLE TWO CAR GARAGES CUZ THEY'RE MINIMAL, UM, IN THE, IN THAT DIRECT LOCATION.
SO, I MEAN, NO ONE MENTIONED ANY OPPOSITION ON H TRAFFIC, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO HIGH FOR THAT LOCATION.
ANY FOLLOW UP? HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS DID YOU HAVE? WE HAD TWO.
AND WHAT WAS THE ATTENDANCE? UH, THE ATTENDANCE WERE 12 PEOPLE DIRECT NEIGHBORS OFF OF GLENFIELD AND BARLOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
WHAT IS, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE SETBACKS FOR YOUR PROJECT? UH, WE HAVE 15 FOOT SETBACKS DRAWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN ACCORDING TO MF TWO, A ZONING WITH DUPLEX.
AND WOULD, HOW WOULD THAT, UM, AND WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, THE ADJACENT PROPERTY SETBACK? IS THERE ANY HOUSES RIGHT ADJACENT TO BOTH SIDES? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM AND THEY HAVE 30, WELL THEY HAVE 20 FOOT, THEY HAVE THEIR FIVE ON THEIR CURRENT LOT PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 15.
AND WE ADDED ADDITIONAL 15 FOOT BUFFER ZONE IN BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND, UM, I MEAN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE DUPLEX PROPOSAL.
SO ANY REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T, UM, FOLLOW THAT SAME PATH SO YOU CAN BE BLOCK FRONT CONTINUITY? I'M SORRY.
ANY REASON THAT, UM, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T SWALLOW THE SAME ON THE SETBACKS? UM, SO IT CAN HAVE BLOCK FRONT CONTINUITY
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AND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE JUST IN CASE THERE'S ANY NOISE.WE ALSO DON'T WANT THEM TO DISTURB EACH OTHER PRETTY MUCH.
WE ADDED A 15 FOOT BUFFER ZONE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONTINUITY ON SINGLE FAMILY.
THE PRICE POINT ENDS UP BEING QUITE HIGH ON NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR HOMES.
THE AREAS, THE HOMES DIRECTLY TO US ARE 800 TO 1100 SQUARE FOOT AND THEY'RE QUESTIONING LIKE 250 TO 280,000 ALREADY.
SO IN ORDER TO GET MORE ATTAINABLE PRICE POINTS, UM, HIGHER DENSITY WAS REQUIRED.
I I THINK IT WAS SAVED TO THE STAFF THEN.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER RUBEN, PLEASE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR MR. NAVARRES OR MAYBE MR. MOKI CAN AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS ZONE PART PARKING AND PART NOA, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S AND DO YOU HAVE A SENSE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS ROUGHLY 12 RESIDENTIAL UNITS BEING BUILT.
IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, COULD YOU COMPARE THE TRAFFIC GENERATION FOR THESE, THESE 12, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL UNITS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE BUILT OUT WITH PARTIALLY PARKING, WHICH I ASSUME IS FOR THAT THERE, THERE'S WHAT MEDICAL OFFICE, MEDICAL FACILITY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF THIS WERE BUILT OUT WITH, WITH PARKING AND THE VARIOUS TYPES OF USES THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN NOA, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER THE TRAFFIC GENERATION FROM THAT BUILT OUT WOULD BE GREATER THAN A TRAFFIC GENERATION FROM THESE 12 UNITS BEING BUILT? I'LL ANSWER THAT REALLY BROADLY, AND THEN I BELIEVE MR. NAVARRES IS ONLINE TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL.
BUT YEAH, SO RESIDENTIAL, UM, PARKING RATIOS, ESPECIALLY FOR JUST, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICALLY 12 UNITS HERE, UM, WOULD BE MUCH LESS THAN MOST, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL PARKING RATIOS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, OFFICE IS LIKE ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 300 OR 333 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A RESTAURANT.
IT'S, IT'S ONE SPACE FOR EVERY HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
SO A LOT MORE DEMANDING IN TERMS OF PARKING THAN, UM, THAN RESIDENTIAL USES.
AS FOR TRAFFIC DEMAND, I'M DAVID'S EITHER ONLINE OR HE'S RUNNING DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW TO HELP ME OUT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT THAT, BUT THE B THE BATON WAS HANDED OFF TO YOU.
HOW COULD YOU TELL? I WAS GONNA SAY, WOW,
WE CAN DISCUSS THE WEATHER FOR A SECOND IF YOU GUYS WANNA YES.
WE, IT MIGHT STILL BE LIGHT OUTSIDE WHEN WE LEAVE HERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT, WHICH IS RARE FOR US.
YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT, BUT YES.
IS THERE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ARE WE, ARE WE WAIT FOR THE YES, PLEASE.
SO, UH,
UM, IS THERE ANY REASONS WHY THE RECOMMENDATION WASN'T TO AT LEAST COME TO A MEDIUM? YEAH, SO, UM, IN A STRAIGHT M F TWO, A DISTRICT, UM, FRONT SETBACK WOULD BE 15 FEET.
AND THEN FOR THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE, UM, UH, WHAT AM I DOING? FRONT SETBACK ALL AROUND WOULD BE 15 FEET.
UM, SITE SETBACK WOULD BE 10 FEET AND REAR SETBACK WOULD BE 15 FEET, UM, AS WE JUST DID WITH THE LAST CASE.
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IF WE WANTED TO, UM, APPLY MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS THAN THAT IN THE INTEREST OF POSSIBLE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUES THAT COULD BE ADDED, UM, TO THE DE RESTRICTIONS.UM, SO I GUESS WE IS GOING BACK TO, AND I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED THE APPLICANT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY UNDERSTOOD THAT EVEN IF IT WAS COMING TO A MEDIUM.
SO WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE, THE AVERAGE FOR THE, UH, ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL? HOW FE HOW MANY FEEDBACK WAS IT? UM, SO ALONG GLENFIELD, UM, THOSE LOTS ARE ZONED R 75 AND I'VE BEEN DESPERATELY TRYING TO DOUBLE CHECK THE FRONT YARD SETBACK 25 FEET IN THAT, I THINK IT'S 25, BUT OUR NETWORK IS DOWN RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, IN MULTI-FAMILY IT WOULD BE 15.
UM, SO THE MEDIUM WOULD BE RIGHT AT 20, POSSIBLY 20 SURE.
BUT IT MAY ALSO BE THAT ALONG THAT BLOCK FACE, UM, BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY WOULD APPLY ALREADY, UM, AND WOULD RESTRICT, UM, THE MF TWO A PROPERTY TO A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD.
SO THAT MAYBE, DO I, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT OR NO? SURE.
UM, SO BASED OFF OF, UH, WHAT MR. MK SAID, THAT GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING YOU SIR.
UM, WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSED SETBACK, NOT JUST BASED OFF THE MF TWO, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR PROPOSED SETBACK? THE 15 FEET? YEAH, SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE 15 FOOT FOR THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK, WHICH IS FIVE FOOT ALREADY, IF THAT'S INCLUDED.
SO THAT'S 20 FOOT OFF OF THE PROPOSED ROAD ON BARLOW CONTINUING THE STEP ROAD OUT.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER ZONE OF 15 FOOT BETWEEN THE REAR PORTIONS OF THE DUPLEXES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES PUSHING 30 FOOT IN BETWEEN EACH DUPLEX AS WELL.
AND SO THERE'S NO ROOM TO PUSH THE PUSH, UH, BACK FIVE MORE FEET TO OFF OF, OFF OF THE, THE, UH, GLENFIELD OR OFF OF THE BARLOW STREET HOME FACING BARLOW? NO FACING BARLOW.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CLARIFICATION.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK, YEAH, CUZ I, MY MY CONCERN IS THAT, THAT IT'S ONE THE SAME REASONS THAT WE KEEP REVISITING THE ONE THAT WE JUST PUSHED BACK.
UM, WHAT IS THAT
SO NOT SAYING THE FULL 25, BUT THE MEDIUM OF 20 PLEASE.
YEAH, SO, SO BECAUSE THOSE ADJACENT LOTS OWNED R 75 A, THAT WOULD BE THE MORE RESTRICTIVE FRONT YARD ALONG GLENFIELD AND ALONG, UM, BARLOW AVENUE, WHICH IS KIND OF ON THE SOUTHERN END OF WOULD REQUEST.
SO A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD WOULD APPLY ON BOTH OF THOSE FRONTAGES ALREADY.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S HIM, SO THE MF TWO RULE DOESN'T APPLY THE, THE GREATER, OKAY.
JUST TO CLARIFY, MR. MULKEY, SO ARE BOTH GLENFIELD AND BARLOW CONSIDERED FRONT YARDS? YEAH, WE HAD A A FAIRLY INVOLVED DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.
UM, AND I SPOKE WITH, UM, SOME DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF TO SEE HOW FRONT AND SIDE AND REAR YARDS, UM, WOULD BE APPLIED.
AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, HOW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD INTERPRET THAT.
SO PROPERTY FILLING ONTO GLENFIELD WOULD BE A FRONT YARD, PROPERTY FRONT, UH, FRONTING ONTO BARLOW WOULD BE A FRONT YARD.
UM, AND THEN EVERYTHING BETWEEN THOSE TWO WOULD BE SIDE YARDS.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, BECAUSE BOTH GLENFIELD AND BARLOW ARE FRONT YARDS, THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY RULE APPLIES TO BOTH SIDES AT A 25 FOOT SETBACK IS ALREADY REQUIRED.
UH, THE BLACKFACE CONTINUITY APPLIES TO FRONT YARDS.
I THOUGHT WE JUST SAID THAT GLENFIELD AND BARLOW ARE BOTH FRONT YARDS.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING IF IT WOULD APPLY TO THE SIDE YARDS.
SO FOR GLENFIELD AND BARLOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S FRONTING THOSE HAS TO BE 25 FEET SETBACK BECAUSE OF THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY RULE.
MR. NAVAREZ, YOU TOOK THE EXECUTIVE ELEVATOR DOWN.
DID YOU HEAR MY QUESTION OR IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I WOULD REPEAT IT JUST FOR
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THE RECORD.WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING IT? I DID HEAR IT, BUT GREAT.
SO RIGHT NOW I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS TO PROVIDE ROUGHLY 12 DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
PART OF THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED IS THE PARKING DISTRICT.
PART OF THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED IS, IS NOA MR. ESTABLISHED THAT, THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THERE, IS THERE ANYONE HERE? YES, SIR.
YOU PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
UH, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO, THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON DOWN THERE.
UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
UM, I'M THE OWNER FOR OF THE LOT ON 14 19 50 AVENUE AND WE WANTED TO REQUEST A ZONING CHANGE FOR TS THREE.
UH, UH, I'VE PULLED UP THE SITE PLAN HERE AND TO FURTHER OUR, CAUSE I'M VOLUNTEERING, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS TO LIMIT TWO DWELLINGS ON THE LOT, UH, AND ATTACHED AND, UH, ONE FACING CALDWELL STREET AND THE OTHER ONE FACING FITSU AVENUE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE PLAN HAS, UH, DETA, UH, HAS AN ATTACHED, UH, BACK WALL TO, UH, CONFORM WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.
COULD YOU STATE YOUR ADDRESS, SIR? CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? YOUR ADDRESS? UH, 1419 SOUTH FITSU AVENUE.
IT'S THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENT, SIR? YES.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? I DON'T SEE YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? UH, ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
UH, I OH, YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, I'LL GO AFTER YOU ON THE ATTACHED GARAGES.
ARE THEY GOING, IS THE DRIVE TO THOSE GOING TO BE ON IN THAT MIDDLE PART OR IS IT GONNA BE ON THE SIDE? YOU, YOU MEAN AT THE BACK OF THE HOUSE? WHICH, WHERE IS THE GARAGE JUST GOING TO BE? THOSE ARE THE TWO GARAGES.
AM I RIGHT? THE SMALLEST, THE SMALLEST SECTION OF IT, THE GARAGES HERE.
UM, THESE ARE ACTUALLY THE MASTER SUITES, SO IT'S THE MASTER BATHROOM AND THE MASTER BEDROOM HERE.
AND WHERE'S THE GARAGE IS AT AGAIN? THE GARAGE IS IN THE FRONT.
SO DRIVER, WE'RE LEADING UP TO THE FRONT LOADING GARAGE.
BECAUSE IT'S IN A BRIEF ROOM, WE ASK EXCEPTION.
OKAY, SO I'M LOOKING AT YOUR, UH, AT YOUR SITE PLAN HERE.
SO I'M, I'M, UH, SO WITH THE, THIS, THIS IS COMMUNICATING TO ME IS THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ESSENTIALLY LOOK LIKE THE OTHER HOMES THAT ARE ACROSS THE STREET KIND OF MIRROR THE SAME KIND OF DESIGN.
AND, UH, THE, THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE SHARED WALL IS DONE, THEREBY IT LOOKS LIKE BY A CLOSET, IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT A BIG CLOSET THERE IN THE BACK? SIGNIFICANTLY? YES.
TRY TO MAXIMIZE THE BACKYARD, UH, AREA ALSO.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HE'S COMING THE GARAGE.
SO IS THE YARD THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE, IS THAT GONNA BE A SHARED YARD OR WOULD THAT HAVE A FENCE DOWN THE CENTER OF IT? YOU WOULD HELP ME? YEAH.
NO, IT'S, IT'S AN INGENIOUS DESIGN.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, YOU HAVE YOUR LIGHT ON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF
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Z TWO 12 DASH 3 47, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND TO DENY THE REQUEST.THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
MY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON COMMENTS.
I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT'S TIME.
UM, IN LOOKING AT THIS, WE DID, UM, HOLD TWO DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON SITE.
I THINK AS WE HEARD IN THE BRIEFING TODAY, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS WORKED WITH STAFF VERY DILIGENTLY TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION.
BUT WHAT HAS BECOME APPARENT TO ME IN LOOKING AT THIS CASE IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE OUR ZONING CODE FIT A PROJECT THAT ISN'T ALLOWED AND ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.
WHAT I HEARD VERY CONSISTENTLY IN THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, AND THE FIRST QUESTION I WAS ASKED IS, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTIES? THERE ARE TWO VACANT PROPERTIES AND IMMEDIATE PROXIMITY TO THIS.
AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THAT EACH CASE IS EVALUATED SEPARATELY, IT IS HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THIS CASE AND THEN POTENTIALLY SEE A FUTURE CASE AND NOT THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE A, AN APPROPRIATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND OUR LACK OF HOUSING IN THIS CITY.
I UNDERSTAND OUR LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS CITY.
I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE TOOLS WE DO HAVE FIT.
AND A MID-BLOCK R FIVE SITE, IN MY VIEW IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
UM, I HEARD THAT CLEARLY FROM OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS ON FIT YOU, IT HAS TWO FRONTAGES.
IT IS A UNIQUE PROPERTY IN THAT REGARD.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE IT SEEM THAT THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD PLACE TO CONSIDER THIS, BUT IT IS NOT ON THE EDGE OF A DISTRICT.
IT IS NOT WELL CLOSE TO A CS ZONING DISTRICT.
IT IS EMBEDDED WITHIN A STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
I HAD MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS REACH OUT TO ME ON THIS.
WE HAD MULTIPLE FOLKS WHO WERE AT THE MEETING.
UM, WE REACHED OUT TO JUBILEE PARK, WHO IS THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THIS EXISTS.
THE RECREATION CENTER, UM, GOT IN CONTACT, YOU KNOW, WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVES.
UM, THEY DO A BLOCK WALK DISTRIBUTION WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY.
WE HAD THREE BALLOTS AND OPPOSITION OF THIS.
AND I JUST, I LOOK FORWARD TO FINDING A SOLUTION FOR OUR CITY'S CHALLENGES AND TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES.
I KNOW THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THEIR TEAM ARE, ARE DEVELOPING PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
UH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY STARTED AT, AT THIS SITE LOOKING AT A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
IT WAS ONLY WHEN THEY REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT JUST A TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, 5,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
THEY SAW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TWO SITES.
BUT AN OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE LONG-TERM VISION OF THE COMMUNITY.
I HOPE MY COM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL SUPPORT ME ON THIS REQUEST, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH THIS APPLICANT AND ON THEIR FUTURE, UM, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR THE MOTION AND FOR THE MOTION TO DENY, BUT, UH, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THAT MOTION.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THIS IS CHANGE, BUT IT IS INCREMENTAL, REASONABLE CHANGE.
UM, I, I NOTED THE REMARK THAT THIS IS A STAGE STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
UH, I SEE NOTHING IN THIS PROPOSAL THAT DISRUPTS A STABLE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.
IT IS TWO RESIDENCES, UM, THAT ARE, UM, FUNDAMENTALLY THE SAME LAND USE AS WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE IS THESE, THESE ARE VERY UNIQUE LOTS.
I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT OUR, OUR CODE AND OUR ORDINANCES HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO TO SUPPORT, UH, INFILL HOUSING.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, TODAY IN THE BRIEFING.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE JUST SIT AND WAIT TO SOME UNDETERMINED FUTURE DATE TO, UM, ADDRESS THAT.
BUT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING IT NOW.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO LET, UH, PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD.
SO, UH, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
YEAH, I TOO WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UM, TOOK MOST OF THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF E S P OR ANYTHING, BUT THE THING THAT I'LL ADD IS, YOU KNOW, I HEARD THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE RIGHT NOW FOR SORT OF INFILL DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE GREAT TOOLS.
I THINK THE TOOLS ARE VERY POORLY SUITED FOR IT.
BUT FORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE, YOU
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KNOW, TOOLS WITH THAT INCLUDE CERTAIN DISTRICTS AND DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT MAKE THE PROCESS MUCH MORE ONEROUS, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO BUILD THIS SORT OF INFILL.AND IN LIGHT OF OUR CURRENT SITUATION WITH THE HOUSING SHORTAGE, THE HOUSING CRISISES, SOME PEOPLE MAY CALL IT, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THESE TOOLS, UM, WHILE ALSO WORKING TOWARDS LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS FOR HOW TO, UM, ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL HOUSING THAT IS SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I DO THINK THAT THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS DO, DO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THESE, THE, THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE FACED IN THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, PLEASE.
I SUPPORTED THE MOTION BECAUSE FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN PROTECTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE HAVE LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS NOT FAR FROM HERE, LIKE BELMONT PARK WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS UNDER DEVELOPING LAND.
THERE'S LOTS OF MF TWO LOTS, UM, WALKING DISTANCE FROM THIS LOT WHERE DEVELOPERS ARE ROUTINELY DEVELOPING THE LAND AS SINGLE FAMILY OR DUPLEX.
PERHAPS WE CAN START WITH A POLICY THAT REQUIRES THEM TO FULLY DEVELOP THEIR LAND INSTEAD OF GOING INTO STABLE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND SLOWLY ERODING AND DESTABILIZING THOSE COMMUNITIES.
AND, AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A VERY LONG TIME, REALLY STARTING TO COME UP AND BECOME MORE STABLE AND BECOME MORE AFFLUENT AND HAVE MORE AMENITIES AVAILABLE TO IT.
AND FOR US TO SIT AROUND AND SAY, WELL, IT'S CHANGE AND WE NEED MORE HOUSING.
AND SO GOSH, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PUT IT RIGHT HERE IN A, A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS SOUTH OF 30 AND, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO FAIR PARK, WHICH EVERYBODY HAS THEIR EYES ON THESE DAYS AND THEY'RE PROBABLY THEIR FINGERS IN THE KITTY BEFORE ALONG.
UH, IT'S COMPLETELY UNFAIR TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND YOU OKAY OVER THERE,
IT SHOULD BE THE PLACE THAT DEVELOPERS WANNA MAINTAIN AND BUILD WHAT IT'S RIGHTFULLY THERE.
UM, THOUGH I I I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER'S INTEREST IN INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY.
IT NEEDS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT SUPPORTS AND PROMOTES THIS COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF BEING SOMETHING THAT FRANKLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF IT.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE CASES THAT IS HARD.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S THE RE THIS MORNING THAT I ASKED FOR THAT CONCEPTUAL DRAWING TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND WITH THIS BEING FACING TWO STREETS, UM, I CAN'T ASK, I CAN'T ASK HIM ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT? I'M SORRY.
I CAN'T, I'M NOT, UM, WHEN THEY'RE FACING TWO STREETS AND, AND WHEN WE HAVE THESE LONGER LOTS THAT SIT IN THE COMMUNITY, MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T HAVE A SECOND STREET.
AND THAT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DECISIONS THAT'S VERY HARD, ESPECIALLY MAKING IT LOOK LIKE TWO, TWO HOUSES.
BUT I'M ALSO A PERSON THAT BELIEVES COMMUNITY FIRST.
SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, AND IT'S BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPOKE, BUT IF THE COMMUNITY HAD NOT SPOKE, I WOULD APPROVE THIS IN A HEARTBEAT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN.
BUT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPOKE, I WOULD DEFINITELY, THIS IS, IT'S NEVER EASY.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S PERFECT FOR THE RIGHT THING BECAUSE OF THE TWO STREETS AND THE SETBACKS AND THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED.
YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE.
I, OKAY, BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, IF THIS WAS JUST A A ALLEY, IT WOULD BE A NO.
BUT BECAUSE CALDWELL, THESE STREET, BOTH OF THESE STREETS HAVE UNKEPT BACKYARDS.
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THIS IS, I'M GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ON THAT ONE.THEN I'LL, I TRAVEL 'EM AND I'LL FILL IN THE GAP WHILE YOU THINK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, I WILL ALSO NOW BE SUPPORTING A MOTION FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS, UH, STATED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, COMMISSIONER RUBEN.
UH, I THINK IT IS THE IDEAL PLACE TO, UH, DEVELOP THIS KIND OF PRODUCT.
IN FACT, UH, I SPENT MORE THAN AN HOUR OVER THERE YESTERDAY, AND I WALKED THIS VERY STREET.
IN FACT, I WALKED UP AND DOWN OLIVE OIL AND I WALKED UP AND DOWN FITZ U AND IT IS A STABLE COMMUNITY, UH, HOW ADDING THESE TWO HOMES, ONE FACING EITHER STREET IS GONNA BE AT THE STABILIZING FORCE.
UH, IN FACT, UH, IF THIS WAS TO BE BUILT, UH, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW IT.
UH, YOU JUST WALK DOWN THOSE STREETS AND IT'S JUST ANOTHER LITTLE HOUSE FACING ANOTHER LITTLE HOUSE.
UM, SO I, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT OR THE, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR INFILL TOOLS ARE NOT EXACTLY, UH, PROBABLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE, BUT AS COMMISSIONER RUBEN SAID, WE DO HAVE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE USE ALL THE TIME, UH, THAT COULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS APPLICANT TO EXACTLY WHERE, UH, WE HAVE DONE SIMILAR DEVELOPMENTS IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN.
AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I JUST CANNOT EX SUPPORT THIS MOTION.
COMMISSIONER TREADER, THANK YOU CHAIR.
I SHARE, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER'S, SORT OF, I'M OF TWO MINDS.
I, I THINK, CAN YOU, UM, CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THE, THE SCHEMATIC FOR WHAT YOU WOULD BUILD HERE? RYAN, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT PLEASE? OH, MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
WHEN WE WERE GETTING BRIEFED THIS MORNING, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A BIT OF AN ODD DUCK, BUT I ALSO AM, I APPRECIATE THAT THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION FOR THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WORTH THAT IS WORTH BEARING NOTE.
I MEAN, THEY, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A REAL DESIRE TO TRY TO FIND SOMETHING THAT FITS IN WITH THE CONTINUITY OF THE BLOCK FACE ON BOTH SIDES ALSO CREATES TWO GOOD LIVABLE UNITS.
I WAS A BIT CURIOUS AS TO HOW YOU WOULD HAVE THESE GO BACK TO BACK WHEN WE WERE TOLD THIS MORNING THAT THEY HAD TO BE ATTACHED.
I, I THINK IT IS A GOOD DESIGN.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TRYING TO SKETCH, WHICH IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR ME TO DO, HOW THIS WOULD WORK.
UM, I WAS HAVING SOME PROBLEMS SEEING LIKE, IS IT REALLY GONNA BE TWO GOOD HOUSES? WOULD IT REALLY FIT WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY? UM, I, I THINK I'M NOW LEANING TO THE SIDE OF YOU SHOULD GET TO TRY, UM, BECAUSE STAFF AND YOU HAVE WORKED TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TWO GOOD HOMES.
AND WHILE WE DON'T HAVE PERFECT TOOLS, WE KNOW WE NEED MORE OPTIONS.
AND SOMETIMES THOSE OPTIONS AREN'T AS NEAT AS ALL OF US WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE.
YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOLLOW BY COMMISSIONER HARBERT? YES.
UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS AT FIRST, LIKE THIS IS ONE LITTLE LOT AND IT'S NOT SOME GREAT BIG CASE, LIKE A 250 LEVEL APARTMENT.
AND YET IT'S ONE OF THE HARDEST ONES I'VE EVER HAD.
WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I DO SEE THE THING, I MEAN, BASICALLY IT'S GONNA FUNCTION LIKE A HOUSE ON EACH STREET, OKAY.
AS OPPOSED TO A SIDE BY SIDE QUOTE UNQUOTE DUPLEX, WHICH MAKES IT A UNIQUE ANSWER TO A VERY NARROW LOT IN HOW YOU CAN UTILIZE IT THE BEST POSSIBLE.
BUT THEN THE OTHER SIDE OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, WHICH I DON'T HAVE THE COPIES OF THOSE, BUT THREE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ARE TOTALLY AGAINST IT IN THE COMMUNITY.
I DON'T QUITE KNOW WHY, BUT THEN I HAVE TO ASK MYSELF THE QUESTION, OKAY, WOULD I WANT THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK IN MY DISTRICT IF I LIVED ON THAT STREET? AND I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO ANY OF THOSE AND THEN AT A STALEMATE.
SO I HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT I'M DOING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY WHERE I WAS
I MEAN, WHEN IT'S BEEN PRESENTED, UM, I WALKED THE STREET AS WELL.
UH, I GREW UP IN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU WALKED OUT THE SH THE HOUSE AND YOU FACED BRICK WALLS OR, UM, SOMETHING THAT WASN'T ANOTHER HOME.
THERE'S A CORNER LOT WHERE A HOME FACES ANOTHER HOME.
WHEN SOMEONE WALKS OUT OF THEIR DOOR, THEY FACE ANOTHER HOME.
CURRENTLY IN MY CURRENT HOME WHEN I WALK OUT, I SEE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW OF MOUNTAIN CREEK LAKE.
SO I'M NOT COMPLAINING, RIGHT? BUT IF I WALKED OUT OF MY HOME AND SAW SOME OF THE OVERGROWN TREES, SOME OF THE EMPTY LOTS, I WOULD WANT SOMETHING OTHER THAN A BACKYARD THERE.
AND THAT'S WHY, UM, I SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TWO HOMES FACING EACH STREET.
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RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.THE HOMES THAT ARE THERE ARE FAIRLY NEW.
UM, AND WHEN THEY, THESE PEOPLE WALK OUT OF THEIR DOOR, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE BACK OF OTHER PEOPLE'S HOMES.
UM, AND THAT JUST DOESN'T SCREAM COMMUNITY TO ME.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
I THINK IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS IN LAKEWOOD OR PRESTON HOLLOW, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE CONSIDERING IT.
I THINK THE FACT THAT THIS IS IN JUBILEE MAKES IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE TO BE CONSIDERING IT.
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE DESIGN AND FACING TWO DIFFERENT STREETS.
IT'S ABOUT PUTTING TWO UNITS ON ONE LOT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS CERTAIN LOT SIZES THAT'S DEVELOPED A CERTAIN WAY THAT SINGLE FAMILY AND THE COMMUNITY HAS COME TOGETHER, GONE TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND SAID THEY DON'T WANT THIS.
THEY ARE STANDING UP FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, MY BACKGROUND HAS BEEN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SELF-DETERMINATION IS IMPORTANT.
THIS COMMUNITY HAS SAID WE DON'T WANT IT.
AND I, AND TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S POINT, THERE ARE OTHER VACANT LOTS IN THE AREA, AND IF WE SAY YES TO THIS, THEN SOMEONE'S GOING TO COME BY AND HAVE THEIR EYE ON THOSE LOTS AND SAY, I WANNA PUT TWO UNITS ON THOSE LOTS TOO.
AND MAYBE THE FIRST PROJECT DOESN'T COMPLETELY DESTABILIZE THIS COMMUNITY.
HOW MANY TIMES DO WE TURN A SINGLE FAMILY LOT IN A SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITY INTO TWO PLEX OR TOWNHOME ZONING BEFORE IT DOES DESTABILIZE IT? HOW MANY TIMES DO WE TAKE THAT SINGLE FAMILY LOT AND SHRINK IT DOWN BEFORE WE DESTABILIZE THAT COMMUNITY? WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO HERE, JUST SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
AND THAT'S A BIG PART OF WHY I CAN'T SUPPORT DOING THAT AND WHY I SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER'S MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SECOND ROUND.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, MR. CHAIR.
OH, AND COMMISSIONER BLAIR HASN'T SPOKEN.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE ALL THE REASONS WHY COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, I, I CAN SEE THIS, BUT IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE HISTORIC DEVELOPMENT PATTERN.
PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT LOT SIZES TODAY IS BECAUSE I ASKED THE QUESTION, THE ORIGINAL PLAN AS IT STARTED WAS TWO DETACHED HOUSES.
AND I, I SAW A FUTURE SUBMISSION COMING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION THAT WOULD NOT SUPPORT THAT AND SPOKE TO LOT SIZE, SPOKE TO HOW WOULD THIS ACTUALLY BE DEVELOPED? COULD THE DEVELOPER ACHIEVE THE GOALS THAT HE HAS STATED, WHICH HAS LED TO THIS PLAN.
TODAY, I'M GOING TO USE THE ANALOGY OF A SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE.
IT TOOK THREE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS.
IT TOOK PROFFER DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT STILL AREN'T THERE.
QUITE FRANKLY, BASED ON WHAT'S IN OUR DOCKET TO ACTUALLY BUILD WHAT IS BEING SHOWN TO US THIS AFTERNOON.
THERE'S NOTHING IN THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL REQUIRE THIS 20 FOOT SETBACK.
I APPRECIATE MR. MULE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DRIVE AND THE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT'S SHOWN HERE.
THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT THIS IS BUILT.
THIS IS A BASE ZONING DISTRICT THAT WE ARE APPROVING.
IT CAN BE BUILT UP TO 36 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ARE 30 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THE LOT COVERAGE THAT IS ALLOWED IS 45%.
THIS ZONING DISTRICT BY RIGHT WILL ALLOW UP TO 60%.
WE ARE AUTHORIZING A PROJECT OUT OF SCALE AND OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
I DO THINK THAT THERE IS A PATH FORWARD TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE PROJECTS LIKE THIS WORK IN PROJECTS LIKE THIS, WORK IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH EVERYONE AROUND THIS HORSESHOE.
I THINK WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN'T FIND CREATIVE SOLUTIONS TO HELP SOLVE OUR HOUSING SHORTAGE.
THIS LOCATION IN THE MIDDLE OF A BLOCK AND A STABLE COMMUNITY IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT.
IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THEREFORE I CANNOT SUPPORT IT.
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PLAYER.I WILL BE SUPPORTING, UM, UH, CAR, UM, I'M SORRY, HAMPTON COMMISSIONER HAMPTON'S MOTION.
AND HERE ARE MY REASONS WHY THERE IS AN EX EXISTING, UM, PATTERN.
THE PATTERN IS SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES.
UM, THERE IS THE NEED FOR HOUSING, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT.
UM, I, WE'D NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION OF THESE RENT OR FOR SALE.
IF YOU'RE THERE FOR SALE, THEN WE HAVE, WE MAY HAVE ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK BEFORE US, AND THAT WOULD BRING FORTH SOME MORE CHALLENGES.
UH, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON WHY IS FOR THE SAME REASON I SUPPORTED THE LAST MOTION IN THE LAST CASE IS BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY AND, AND HEARING THE COMMUNITY AS TO WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WANTED.
UM, COMMISSIONER WHEELER WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT COMMUNITY SUPPORT, COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
AND WE HAVE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THAT SAYS THEY DON'T WANT IT.
IF WE HAD THE SAME OR EVEN ONE THAT CAME FORWARD AND SAID, I DO WANT IT, BUT THERE'S NO ONE HERE.
SO BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, MAY I ASK, UH, MR. AL SOME QUESTIONS? SURE.
SO YOU HEARD, YOU'VE, YOU'VE ALREADY VOLUNTEERED SOME DEEDS RESTRICTIONS, RIGHT? YES.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE, OH, OKAY.
AND YOU ALSO HEARD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE HEIGHT AND THE TH THREE BEING 36 VERSUS THE HEIGHT.
AND IN THE TH OR IN THE ADJACENT R FIVE BEING 30, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO VOLUNTEER AN ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTION TO LIMIT HEIGHT TO 30? I WAS ACTUALLY ABOUT TO SAY THE SAME THING, THAT IF HEIGHT AND, UH, LOT COVERAGE ARE AN ISSUE, WE CAN EASILY, UM, VOLUNTEER THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS.
AND, UM, ALSO IF I MAY ADD A, A FEW COMMENTS, UH, SIR, I, WE, IT'S REALLY NOT HERE.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE, AN ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTION 30 FEET HEIGHT LIMIT.
UM, 45% LOT COVERAGE, RIGHT? YES.
WHAT ABOUT A 20 FOOT SETBACK ALONG CALDWELL? I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN THE SITE PLAN, BUT JUST YES, THE SITE PLAN IS NOT PART OF THE DEED RESTRICTION, SO WOULD YOU, SO YES, FOR SURE.
UM, JUST SOME BRIEF ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.
I, I HEAR THE EQUITY CONCERNS, UM, BEING RAISED BY MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS IN SOUTH OF INTERSTATE 30, AND I HEAR THAT, BUT I WOULD SUBMIT THAT THAT THE SOLUTION TO THOSE CONCERNS ISN'T TO SAY NO TO THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADD, YOU KNOW, TWO HOUSING UNITS AS OPPOSED TO ONE HOUSING UNIT ON THAT LOT FIRST.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE QUESTION'S BROUGHT UP WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR THESE TWO HOUSING UNITS? WELL, THERE ARE PROBABLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO NEED SOME PLACE TO LIVE WHO DON'T KNOW WHERE THEIR NEXT HOME IS, AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO COME HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THESE TWO UNITS YET BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN BUILT.
AND THAT'S A NEED THAT TONS OF PEOPLE HAVE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE EQUITY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SAYING NO IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, I DON'T THINK IS THE ANSWER.
I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY ALSO START SAYING YES AND LOOKING AT MORE CREATIVE SOLUTIONS.
YOU KNOW, I LIVE JUST SOUTH OF LAKEWOOD AND I WOULD HOPE THAT PEOPLE START THINKING ABOUT CREATIVE SOLUTIONS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, A A AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, CREATIVITY HAS BEEN MET WITH, YOU KNOW, OPPOSITION NORTH OF I 30 DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE NEED TO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE SHOULD START TALKING ABOUT CREATIVE HOUSING SOLUTIONS NORTH OF I 30 IN SOME OF THE MORE AFFLUENT AREAS AND SOUTH OF I 30, LIKE ON THE SUBJECT SITE THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
SO I HOPE THAT, UM, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL, UM, EMBRACE THIS, THIS ONE SOLUTION WHICH DOESN'T SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS, BUT TAKES ONE, MAKES ONE LITTLE DENT IN THE PROBLEM THAT WE FACE TODAY.
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ROUND.I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF THE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION.
I'VE LOOKED THROUGH THE PACKET, THREE PEOPLE CHECKED OPPOSITION, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE SUBMITTED AND THEY SEEM TO BE CONFUSED, WHICH I AM NOT SURPRISED BY.
THEY ARE NOT IN SUPPORTIVE AT TOWNHOUSE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS UNDER THE TH THREE.
SO IS THERE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY OPPOSITION THAT I HAVE MISSED SOMEWHERE IN THE DOCKET? THREE BALLOTS WILL RETURN, BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE SUBMISSION AND IT, ONE, IT SEEMS CONFUSED ABOUT THE ZONING ITSELF.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M NOT, WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF LIKE OVERNIGHT, SO IF I'VE MISSED SOMETHING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M AWARE CUZ I DO, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
YES, I DO TAKE COMMUNITY, UM, OPPOSITION IN, INTO EFFECT INTO MY CALCULATION.
I ALSO TAKE INTO EFFECT THAT THERE'S NO ONE HERE IN PERSON OPPOSING THIS, WHICH I, TO ME ALSO SENDS A SIGNAL OF, OF, OF OPPOSITION.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE ARE PROS AND CONS ON BOTH SIDES, BUT I THINK TO ME, I'M STILL GOING TO WEIGH IN FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A CREATIVE SOLUTION.
UM, IT'S NOT WITHOUT ITS OWN PROBLEMS, BUT I DON'T SEE A SERIOUS OPPOSITION OR VOICE FROM THE COMMUNITY HERE.
HOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING ABOUT AT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING? WELL, UM, I GUESS CAN, I GUESS I MIGHT BE ASKING WE KIND OF PAST QUESTIONS, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN, AN ANSWER WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, I DON, I DON'T KNOW IF THE APPLICANT WAS ASK COR COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
CAUSE THAT'S GOING BE THE QUESTION.
HAMPTON, YOU GUYS ARE TWIN CUZ YOU SIT RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
UM, THERE WERE I THINK FIVE PEOPLE AT THE FIRST MEETING.
WE HAD OUTREACH TO OVER 500 PEOPLE THROUGH JUBILEE PARK.
AND THEN WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK FIVE PEOPLE AT THE FOLLOW UP MEETING, INCLUDING THE FOUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE DIRECTLY SURROUNDING THIS LOT.
SO I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, AND I, AND I, WHEN WHEN THERE'S SMALL ENGAGEMENTS, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING AND BECAUSE IT GETS TRICKY, RIGHT? CUZ IT COULD BE THE FIVE PEOPLE THAT JUST SHOW UP TO EVERYTHING, RIGHT? AND, BUT MY, I I CAN'T SEE THAT.
MY CONCERN, MY, I REALLY WOULD'VE LOVED IS WE COULD HAVE HAD SOME PEOPLE FROM THE CALDWELL STREET.
UM, BECAUSE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS NOT TYPICAL.
IT ALMOST SEEMED LIKE THE CITY SHOULD HAVE MADE CALDWELL A ALLEY.
UM, BECAUSE THOSE NEIGHBORS ARE LOOKING AT, AT BACK OF, AND, AND I'M, I'M LISTENING, I'M IN THE SOUTHERN SECTOR AND I GET THE WHAT CAN HAPPEN CUZ THERE'S REASONS THAT I'M OPPOSED TO SOME, BUT THIS, THAT, THIS IS ALMOST LIKE TWO STREETS, THE TWO, TWO SIDE STREETS.
AND THE ONLY WAY THAT SOMEONE WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S A DUPLEX IF THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE YARD AND EVERYONE ON CARPENTER IS LOOKING IN WHICH NEWER HOMES, THEY'RE LOOKING AT BACKYARDS.
THIS IS THAT, THIS IS NOT TYPICAL US SAYING WE JUST WANNA REZONE SOMETHING.
THIS IS SAYING THIS LOOKS LIKE A PRODUCT THAT CAN, IF IT, IF THIS WAS IN DISTRICT SEVEN AND IT WAS THE SAME AND WITH TWO STREETS AND NOT EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, I WOULD SAY YES.
BUT IF IT WAS WITH A ALLEY, I WOULD SAY NO.
I, I'M GONNA SAY THAT, I'M GOING, I'M GONNA GO WITH THIS ONE.
BUT I ALSO KNOW IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WE USED TO JUST HAVE FIVE PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR MEETINGS.
CAUSE NOBODY, CUZ THE ENGAGEMENT FACTOR.
SO I'M GONNA DEFINITELY GO WITH ON THIS ONE ONLY BECAUSE IT'S A TWO STREETS.
SO I'M GONNA BE IN SUPPORT OF, UH, WITH STAFF.
UM, DID YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO ROUNDS? I THINK YOU DID.
OKAY, SO THIS IS MY LAST ROUND.
UH, AGAIN, UM, JUST TO RE REITERATE, UH, THIS VERY SAME SCENARIO, WITH THE SAME SIZE, LOTS FACING TWO STREETS ANYWHERE IN TOWN, I WOULD SUPPORT SUPPORTED MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IN FACT, I KNOW I HAVE SAID BEFORE, I LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONE SIDE OF MY STREET LEADS TO ABOUT 300 HOMES.
THE OTHER SIDE ENDS ON TOWN HOMES.
THAT STREET ENDS ON APARTMENTS, AND ON THE OTHER SIDE ENDS ON PRESTON ROAD.
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF WHICH WE JUST, UH, UPZONED A PROJECT FOR 2000 UNITS.
MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS PERFECTLY STABLE.
UH, SO I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.
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MOVING FORWARD.ANY OTHER FOLKS HAVEN'T HAD A SECOND ROUND? OKAY.
CAN WE TAKE A RECORDED VOTE PLEASE? YES.
ARE DO WE VOTE ON THIS AND THEN IF THERE'S CHANGES TO THE YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE VOTING ON A MOTION TO DENY THIS.
SO YOU WOULD VOTE YES IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPLICATION.
WELL, WE, WE ALREADY WENT TOROUS.
IF IT'S A QUE YES PLEASE QUESTION.
BUT IF WE, IF WE VOTE TO PROVE, IS IT GONNA BE WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTIONS? THIS IS VOTE TO.
THIS, THIS VOTE IS ON THE MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION AND THEN IF IT MOVES FORWARD, IT MOVES FORWARD.
IF IT GETS, IF THIS MOTION IS DENIED, IF IT FAILS, THEN ANOTHER MOTION WILL BE MADE.
THIS IS GONNA BE A RANDOM ORDER, SO THANK YOU.
SO, SO ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF DENIAL? NO.
I THINK HE IS, I THINK HE'S ABSENT.
CAN I HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER MOTION? NO.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YES, IN THE MATTER OF THANK YOU Z 2 12 347, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW, UM, FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT, INCLUDING THOSE JUST VOLUNTEERED AT THE PODIUM, COMMISSIONER RUBEN.
UM, CONSIDERING THAT THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT AT THE PODIUM HAVE KIND OF COME IN A LITTLE HODGEPODGE, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO READ ALL OF THE VOLUNTEER DEED RESTRICTIONS INTO THE RECORD.
AND IF HE'S OKAY WITH THAT, I CAN SHOOT YOU AN EMAIL REAL QUICK.
THAT SHOULD BE ON ITS WAY TO YOU.
UH, I AGREE TO ALL THESE DE RESTRICTIONS AND I'LL, UH, REPLY TO THAT EMAIL.
CAN YOU READ THEM OUT LOUD, SIR, PLEASE? SO HERE ARE THE FOLLOWING DE RESTRICTIONS.
THE PROPERTY IS LIMITED TO MAXIMUM OF TWO DWELLING UNITS.
SECOND ONE IS, IF THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH TWO DWELLING UNITS, ONE UNIT MUST FACE SOUTH FITZ AVENUE AND ONE DWELLING UNIT MUST FACE CALDWELL AVENUE.
BOTH PROPERTIES TO HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 30 FEET AND MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE ARE 45%.
ALSO A 20 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, UH, ON SOUTH FE AVENUE IS REQUIRED.
AND A 20 FOOT FRONT SET FRONTIER ON CALDWELL AVENUE IS REQUIRED.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.COMMISSIONER RUBEN, PLEASE? MY MOTION? YOUR MOTION? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT TO, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 1 12 347.
A FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO, UH, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UH, AS READ INTO THE RECORD BY THE APPLICANT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, CASE NUMBER 14,
AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT WITH DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN N O A NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE DISTRICT, AND A PA PARKING DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF GLENFIELD AVENUE, WEST OF SOUTHAMPTON ROAD.
STATUS'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? HE'S ONLINE.
YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA ON? YES.
CAN SEE ME? YEAH, WE CAN SEE YOU NOW.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS SIR.
COULD YOU JUST PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? SURE.
COMRAN BAUCH BROTHERS DEVELOPMENT 24 49 BARLOW AVENUE.
OUR OFFICE ADDRESS IS 100 CRESCENT COURT UNIT 700 IN DALLAS.
DID YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS YOU WANTED TO MAKE, SIR? ARE YOU JUST AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? UM, YEAH.
WELL, SO WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, MF TWO ZONING CHANGE FROM ATTACHED OFFICE IN THIS LOCATION, UH, TO BRING MORE ATTAINABLE HOME PRICES TO THE LOCATION AND MORE DENSITY.
UM, WE SPOKE TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
WE ASKED THEM ORIGINALLY WHAT THEIR, THEIR, UH, HURDLES WERE, WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WITH THEIR OWN LOTS.
SO PRETTY MUCH THE HOUSES WERE 1945 TO 1965, BUILD 800 TO 1100 SQUARE FOOT.
SO THEY'RE ADDING LIKE ADU OR CONVERTING GARAGES TO GET ADDITIONAL SPACE.
SO WE ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR TOWN HOMES.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE REALLY INTO TOWN HOMES.
SO, UH, WE WERE SUBMITTING FOR MF TO A, LIKE A DUPLEX DESIGN STYLE TOWN HOME FOLLOWING PROXIMITY SLOPE UP TO 26 FOOT AS THEIR NEXT RESIDENTIAL.
WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLANNED, DRAWN OUT AS WELL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS' QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
YEAH, NICE TO SEE YOU MR. PALU.
I THINK IT'S BEEN A LITTLE WHILE.
UM, WOULD YOU MIND SHARING THAT CONCEPT PLAN? SURE.
I KNOW WE MET MAYBE LATE LAST YEAR AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CHANGED.
I JUST WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN LOOKED LIKE.
AND IF YOU WANT TO MULTITASK, I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU IF THAT.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD VOLUNTEERED SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS.
WHAT'S THE INTENT OF THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THOSE? UM, THE INTENT ON THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IS LIKE GIVING THEM THE NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF WHAT THEY WANTED.
THEY NEEDED GARAGES, SO WE WANTED AN DEED RESTRICTION ON TWO-CAR GARAGE.
UH, THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE FOR PRIVACY.
WE HAVE A 10 FOOT PRIVACY BUFFER IN BETWEEN THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE DUPLEXES.
UH, WE'RE CREATING A NEW FENCE IN BETWEEN THOSE AS WELL.
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THE NEIGHBORS WITH THEIR FENCES, UM, EITHER REMOVAL AND DOUBLE SIDE OR JUST HELPING THEM OBTAIN THEIR LOT A LITTLE BIT BETTER FOR PRIVACY.ALSO, UH, DEED RESTRICTIONS ON HEIGHT FOR THE 26 FOOT ON PROXIMITY SLOPE FOR MF TWO.
UH, DUE TO RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY NEXT TO IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO OVERPOWER THE AREA.
AND IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO GET THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN UP, THAT'S, THAT'S OKAY.
I JUST KIND OF WANT HER TO TAKE ONE, ONE LAST PEEK AT IT OR ONE PEEK AT IT IF IT'S CHANGED, BUT I KNOW SHE SURE.
LEMME SEE IF I CAN GET THIS GOING.
UH, MR. BAUCH, UM, I HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN THAT I BELIEVE YOU SHARED WITH ME BEFORE THE LAST MEETING.
HAS IT CHANGED SINCE THEN? UM, IT SHOULD BE THE SAME.
IS THIS THE CORRECT ONE? YES, THAT'S THE CORRECT CONCEPT.
AND MR. QUIN FOLLOW UP QUESTION, YOUR PROPOSALS THOSE SIX BUILDINGS THAT KIND OF FORM THE L-SHAPE, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, COMMISSIONER TREDWAY.
UM, SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE PACKET WE RECEIVED, THERE WERE SEVEN OPPOSITIONS.
ONE OF THEM MENTIONED THE VEHICLE TRAFFIC.
YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU'VE HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, JUST BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, IT'S ALL OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT? YEAH, SO THE, THE NEIGHBORS THAT WE SPOKE TO DIRECTLY WERE ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
UM, IT SHOWS ON THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THERE.
UH, SPOKE TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT IT.
UM, THIS PROBABLY STARTING OVER A YEAR AGO.
SO ASKING 'EM WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT CHALLENGES THEY HAD.
AND I MEAN, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, UM, ON OUR PLAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY ISSUE WILL BE A STOP SIGN.
I KNOW WE DO WANNA GIVE PEOPLE TWO CAR GARAGES CUZ THEY'RE MINIMAL, UM, IN THE, IN THAT DIRECT LOCATION.
SO, I MEAN, NO ONE MENTIONED ANY OPPOSITION ON A TRAFFIC, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO HIGH FOR THAT LOCATION.
ANY FOLLOW UP? HOW MANY COMMUNITY MEETINGS DID YOU HAVE? WE HAD TWO.
AND WHAT WAS THE ATTENDANCE? UH, THE ATTENDANCE WERE 12 PEOPLE DIRECT NEIGHBORS OFF OF GLENFIELD AND BARLOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
WHAT, UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE SETBACKS FOR YOUR PROJECT? UH, WE HAVE 15 FOOT SETBACKS DRAWN ON THE CONCEPT PLAN ACCORDING TO MF TWO, A ZONING WITH DUPLEX.
AND WOULD, HOW WOULD THAT, UM, AND WHAT DO YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY SETBACK? IS THERE ANY HOUSES RIGHT ADJACENT TO BOTH SIDES? THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM AND THEY HAVE 30, WELL, THEY HAVE 20 FOOT, THEY HAVE THEIR FIVE ON THEIR CURRENT LOT PLUS AN ADDITIONAL 15.
AND WE ADD AN ADDITIONAL 15 FOOT BUFFER ZONE IN BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND, UM, I MEAN THE SINGLE FAMILY AND THE DUPLEX PROPOSAL.
SO ANY REASON WHY YOU WOULDN'T, UM, FOLLOW THAT SAME PATH? SO IT CAN BE BLOCK FRONT CONTINUITY? I'M SORRY.
ANY REASON THAT, UM, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOU COULDN'T FOLLOW THAT? SAME ON THE SETBACKS? UM, SO IT CAN HAVE BLOCK FRONT CONTINUITY
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AND, AND THIS WOULD GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE JUST IN CASE THERE'S ANY NOISE.WE ALSO DON'T WANT THEM TO DISTURB EACH OTHER PRETTY MUCH.
WE ADDED A 15 FOOT BUFFER ZONE
THE PRICE POINT ENDS UP BEING QUITE HIGH ON NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR HOMES.
THE AREAS, THE HOMES DIRECTLY TO US ARE 800 TO 1100 SQUARE FOOT AND THEY'RE PUSHING LIKE 250 TO 200 HUNDRED 80,000 ALREADY.
SO IN ORDER TO GET MORE ATTAINABLE PRICE POINTS, UM, HIGHER DENSITY WAS REQUIRED.
I I WILL, I THINK IT'LL SAVE TO THE STAFF THEN.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? AND ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER RUBEN, PLEASE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR MR. NAVARRES OR MAYBE MR. MOKI CAN AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
THIS IS ZONED PART PARKING AND PART NOA, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND DO YOU HAVE A SENSE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS ROUGHLY 12 RESIDENTIAL UNITS BEING BUILT.
IF, IF THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH THE DEEDS RESTRICTIONS, COULD YOU COMPARE THE TRAFFIC GENERATION FOR THESE, THESE 12, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL UNITS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WERE BUILT OUT WITH PARTIALLY PARKING, WHICH I ASSUME IS FOR THAT THERE, THERE'S WHAT MEDICAL OFFICE, MEDICAL FACILITY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF THIS WERE BUILT OUT WITH, WITH PARKING AND THE VARIOUS TYPES OF USES THAT MIGHT BE ALLOWED IN NOA, DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER THE TRAFFIC GENERATION FROM THAT BUILT OUT WOULD BE GREATER THAN A TRAFFIC GENERATION FROM THESE 12 UNITS BEING BUILT? I'LL ANSWER THAT REALLY BROADLY, AND THEN I BELIEVE MR. NAVARRES IS ONLINE TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL.
BUT YEAH, SO RESIDENTIAL, UM, PARKING RATIOS, ESPECIALLY FOR JUST, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICALLY 12 UNITS HERE, UM, WOULD BE MUCH LESS THAN MOST, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL PARKING RATIOS, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, OFFICE IS LIKE ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 300 OR 333 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR A RESTAURANT.
IT'S, IT'S ONE SPACE FOR EVERY HUNDRED SQUARE FEET.
SO A LOT MORE DEMANDING IN TERMS OF PARKING THAN, UM, THAN RESIDENTIAL USES.
AS FOR TRAFFIC DEMAND, I'M DAVID'S EITHER ONLINE OR HE'S RUNNING DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW TO HELP ME OUT.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT THAT, BUT THE B THE BATON WAS HANDED OFF TO YOU.
HOW COULD YOU TELL? I WAS GONNA SAY, WOW, THAT WAS IMPRESSIVE.
WE CAN DISCUSS THE WEATHER FOR A SECOND IF YOU GUYS WANNA YES.
WE, IT MIGHT STILL BE LIGHT OUTSIDE WHEN WE LEAVE HERE, SO I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT, WHICH IS RARE FOR US.
YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT, BUT YES.
IS THERE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ARE WE, ARE WE WAIT FOR THE YES, PLEASE.
SO, UH,
UM, IS THERE ANY REASONS WHY THE RECOMMENDATION WASN'T TO AT LEAST COME TO A MEDIUM? YEAH, SO, UM, IN A STRAIGHT M F TWO, A DISTRICT, UM, FRONT SETBACK WOULD BE 15 FEET.
AND THEN FOR THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE, UM, UH, WHAT AM I DOING? FRONT SETBACK ALL AROUND WOULD BE 15 FEET.
UM, SITE SETBACK WOULD BE 10 FEET AND REAR SETBACK WOULD BE 15 FEET, UM, AS WE JUST DID WITH THE LAST CASE.
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IF WE WANTED TO, UM, APPLY MORE RESTRICTIVE SETBACKS THAN THAT IN THE INTEREST OF POSSIBLE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUES THAT COULD BE ADDED, UM, TO THE DE RESTRICTIONS.UM, SO I GUESS WE IS GOING BACK TO, AND I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION I ASKED THE APPLICANT, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY UNDERSTOOD THAT EVEN IF IT WAS COMING TO A MEDIUM.
SO WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE, THE AVERAGE FOR THE, UH, ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL? HOW FE HOW MANY FEEDBACK WAS IT? UM, SO ALONG GLENFIELD, UM, THOSE LOTS ARE ZONED R 75 AND I'VE BEEN FIVE FEET DESPERATELY TRYING TO DOUBLE CHECK THE FRONT YARD SETBACK 25 FEET IN THAT, I THINK IT'S 25, BUT OUR NETWORK IS DOWN RIGHT NOW.
UM, WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, IN MULTI-FAMILY IT WOULD BE 15.
UM, SO THE MEDIUM WOULD BE RIGHT AT 20, POSSIBLY 20 SURE.
BUT IT MAY ALSO BE THAT ALONG THAT BLOCK FACE, UM, BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY WOULD APPLY ALREADY, UM, AND WOULD RESTRICT, UM, THE MF TWO A PROPERTY TO A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD.
SO THAT MAYBE, DO I, CAN I ASK THE APPLICANT OR NO? SURE.
UM, SO BASED OFF OF, UH, WHAT MR. MULKEY SAID, THAT GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING YOU SIR.
UM, WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSED SETBACK, NOT JUST BASED OFF THE MF TWO, BUT WHAT WAS YOUR PROPOSED SETBACK? THE 15 FEET? YEAH, SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE 15 FOOT FOR THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK, WHICH IS FIVE FOOT ALREADY, IF THAT'S INCLUDED.
SO THAT'S 20 FOOT OFF OF THE PROPOSED ROAD ON BARLOW CONTINUING THE STEP ROAD OUT.
AND THEN WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL BUFFER ZONE OF 15 FOOT BETWEEN THE REAR PORTIONS OF THE DUPLEXES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES PUSHING 30 FOOT IN BETWEEN EACH DUPLEX AS WELL.
AND SO THERE'S NO ROOM TO PUSH THE PUSH, UH, BACK FIVE MORE FEET TO OFF OF, OFF OF THE, THE, UH, GLENFIELD OR OFF OF THE BARLOW PROPOSED STREET HOMES OF FACING BARLOW? NO, FACING BARLOW.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A CLARIFICATION.
YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK, YEAH, CUZ I, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT, THAT THIS ONE, THE SAME REASONS THAT WE KEEP REVISITING THE ONE THAT WE JUST PUSHED BACK NOT YES, NO.
UM, WHAT IS THAT
SO NOT SAYING THE FULL 25, BUT THE MEDIUM OF 20 PLEASE.
YEAH, SO, SO BECAUSE THOSE ADJACENT LOTS ARE OWNED R 75 A, THAT WOULD BE THE MORE RESTRICTIVE FRONT YARD ALONG GLENFIELD AND ALONG UM, BARLOW AVENUE, WHICH IS KIND OF ON THE SOUTHERN END.
SO IT TAPE REQUEST, SO A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD WOULD APPLY ON BOTH OF THOSE FRONTAGES ALREADY.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN, SO THE MF TWO RULE DOESN'T APPLY THE, THE GREATER, OKAY.
JUST TO CLARIFY MR. MULKEY, SO ARE BOTH GLENFIELD AND BARLOW CONSIDERED FRONT YARDS? YEAH, WE HAD A A FAIRLY INVOLVED DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.
UM, AND I SPOKE WITH, UM, SOME DEVELOPMENT SERVICES STAFF TO SEE HOW FRONT AND SIDE AND REAR YARDS, UM, WOULD BE APPLIED.
AND THIS IS ESSENTIALLY, UM, HOW DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WOULD INTERPRET THAT.
SO PROPERTY FILLING ONTO GLENFIELD WOULD BE A FRONT YARD, PROPERTY FRONT, UH, FRONTING ONTO BARLOW WOULD BE A FRONT YARD.
UM, AND THEN EVERYTHING BETWEEN THOSE TWO WOULD BE SIDE YARDS.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, BECAUSE BOTH GLENFIELD AND BARLOW ARE FRONT YARDS, THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY RULE APPLIES TO BOTH SIDES.
AND A 25 FOOT SETBACK IS ALREADY REQUIRED.
UH, THE BLACKFACE CONTINUITY APPLIES TO FRONT YARDS.
I THOUGHT WE JUST SAID THAT GLENFIELD AND BARLOW ARE BOTH FRONT YARDS.
I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING IF IT WOULD APPLY TO THE SIDE YARDS.
SO FOR GLENFIELD AND BARLOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S FRONTING THOSE HAS TO BE 25 FEET SET BACK BECAUSE OF THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY RULE? THAT'S CORRECT.
NAVAREZ, PLEASE MR. NAVAREZ, YOU TOOK THE EXECUTIVE ELEVATOR DOWN.
DID YOU HEAR MY QUESTION OR IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF I WOULD REPEAT IT JUST FOR
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THE RECORD.WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING IT? I DID HEAR IT, BUT GREAT.
SO RIGHT NOW I THINK THE PROPOSAL IS TO PROVIDE ROUGHLY 12 DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.
PART OF THE PROPERTY'S CURRENTLY ZONED THE PARKING DISTRICT.
PART OF THE CURRENTLY ZONED IS, IS NOA.
MR. MOLEY ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT, THAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR NOA WOULD BE GREATER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL AND OF COURSE PARKING A PARKING LOT IS A PARKING LOT THAT'S ALL PARKING.
MY MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION, WHAT'S LIKELY TO GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THIS SITE IF IT WERE BUILT OUT AS HALF A PARKING LOT AND HALF NOA TODAY, OR THE 12 RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT COULD BE COMING IN IN THE FUTURE? THANK YOU SIR.
AND I THOUGHT THAT THAT, THAT IT WAS BETWEEN THE SEVEN LOTS AS TREATED AS SINGLE FAMILY COMPARED TO THE 12TH, UM, PROPOSED.
BUT, BUT I HEAR YOUR QUESTION.
I WANNA CLARIFY THAT A PARKING LOT IS NOT A TRAFFIC GENERATOR AND THE LAND USE THAT SERVES IS THE GENERATOR ITSELF.
AND SO A PARKING LOT BY ITSELF COULD REMAIN EMPTY FOR ALL WE KNOW UNTIL THERE IS A LAND USE THAT IT SERVES.
THEREFORE, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU REGRETFULLY.
HOWEVER, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT UM, A PARKING LOT ALSO GENERATES BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPACES THAT IT HAS.
AND SO TURNING THIS GREEN SPACE INTO A PARKING LOT THEORETICALLY WOULD GENERATE, AND EXCUSE ME, I DON'T LIKE TO USE AD VER THE ADJECTIVES, BUT IT WILL GENERATE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN, UH, 12 DWELLING UNITS.
I CAN QUANTIFY HOW MUCH TRAFFIC 12 DWELL UNITS BUT WOULD GENERATE, BUT I COULD ONLY, UM, SPECULATE HOW MUCH A PARKING LOT, BUT ONLY IF WE DECIDE ON WHAT USE IT SERVES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? UH, DAVID, WHILE WE HAVE YOU
UM, AND THEN I ALSO WONDERED IF YOU COULD CONFIRM, UM, THIS RIGHT OF WAY THAT I BELIEVE HAS ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED FOR BARLOW, HOW FAR THAT EXTENDS.
I SEE THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC BULB OUT HERE AND THEN I BELIEVE YOU HAD MENTIONED AT ONE POINT THAT THIS, UM, ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE REQUEST AREA MAY BE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AS WELL.
BUT I WANNA REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT ULTIMATELY WE'LL DO, STAFF WILL FOLLOW WHAT YOU APPROVE AT PLATTING.
UH, WE WILL GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE OR EXTEND BARLOW AND GLENFIELD.
IS THAT THE NAME GLENFIELD? NO, ACTUALLY IT'S BARLOW ON BOTH SIDES.
UH, BARLOW ALONG THE SOUTH AND THEN I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT EAST, ALONG THE EAST, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A NAME.
SO IT WOULD PROBABLY CONTINUE BEING BARLOW.
UM, WE WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR IT TO HAVE AT LEAST A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY TREATING IT AS A STREET, UM, AS A COMMISSION, HAVE THE ABILITY TO LET US DEVIATE FROM THAT AND TURN IT INTO A, UM, MU OR, OR FOR WHAT WE KNOW, WE COULD TURN THAT INTO AN ALLEY AS WELL.
SO AS THE, THE INFORMATION THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND ENGINEERING PROVIDED TO MR UM, UH, RYAN, IT, IT IS JUST BASED ON OUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT WE WOULD FOLLOW AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATION WE WOULD GIVE YOU AT PLATTING, WHICH IS JUST AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY, UH, WITH A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY.
AND DAVID, IF THAT EASTERN EDGE IS DEDICATED AS A FULL RIGHT OF WAY AND NOT AN ALLEY, UM, A FRONT YARD WOULD APPLY ALONG THAT PUBLIC STREET AS WELL.
AND BY THE WAY, IF IF IT'S ANYTHING OTHER THAN RIGHT AWAY, THEN WE WOULD NEED A FIRE WOULD ASK US TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CUL-DE-SAC OR ANY, OR A WAY FOR A VEHICLE TO TURN AROUND.
UM, WHICH IS WHY IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THAT BOTH SIDES, THE SOUTH AND THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY WOULD BECOME PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
OKAY, WHERE SAYS FRONT A DOWN DOWN THE, THE, THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE IS THAT, IS THE, IS THAT NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST? GIVE ME NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST.
SO THIS, THIS IS NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, WEST.
UM, SO YEAH, THE AREA WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WAS BARLOW AVENUE HERE ALONG THE SOUTHERN EDGE OF THE AREA REQUEST.
AND THEN, UM, IT GOES, UH, IN THIS DIRECTION ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE AS WELL THAT COULD ALSO BE DEDICATED AS RIGHT OF WAY POTENTIALLY.
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SO WE, UM, THESE ARE THESE ALREADY PLATTED LOTS DOWN BARLOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A ALLEY OR STREET.I BELIEVE THESE LOTS HERE HAVE BEEN PLATTED AND THEN RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATED TO HYPOTHETICALLY SERVE THOSE LOTS THAT WERE NEVER DEVELOPED.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ON THESE OTHER TWO PARCEL LINES RIGHT HERE.
UM, YEAH, THEY'RE NOT PLATTED, THEY'RE NOT PLATTED TODAY.
SO NONE OF THOSE LOTS ARE PLATTED.
I THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING AND I WOULD LOVE TO THE, THE APPLICANT TO CONFIRM IF THEY HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
I THAT FROM OUR RESEARCH, THAT'S WHAT WE FOUND.
SO ARE WE ARE, AND, AND JUST LIKE THE LAST CASE, ARE WE MAKING NEW, NEW ZONING STANDARDS IN ORDER TO MEET THE NEEDS PER PLAT INSTEAD OF DOING EXISTING ZONING STANDARDS? WELL, FOR THIS PROPERTY, THE, THE PREVIOUS CASE WE WERE DISCUSSED WAS ALREADY ONE PLATTED LOT.
UM, FOR THIS PROPERTY IT'S A MIXTURE OF UNPLATTED PARCELS OF LAND AND PLATTED LOTS.
UM, SO IF THIS AREA OF REQUEST THAT'S OUTLINED IN BLUE WERE ALL TO BE DEVELOPED AS ONE SITE, UM, RE PLATTING WOULD BE REQUIRED ANYWAY TO BRING IT ALL UNDER ONE LOT.
AND, AND THAT RE AND WE'RE NOT TALKING REPLAT IT, BUT ARE WE PLATING, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, BASED ON WHAT I SEE, HOW ARE WE DEVELOPING A PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO GIVE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE, WHICH IS 12 DWELLING UNITS IN THIS L-SHAPED SITE BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE COULD OR WE COULD NOT HAVE BARLOW AS A RIGHT OF WAY.
AND IF BARLOW IS NOT A RIGHT OF WAY, THEN IT WOULD HAVE AND IT'S, AND IT'S, IF IT'S NOT A RIGHT OF WAY TODAY AND IT HAS TO BE MADE A RIGHT OF WAY, THEN IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A, A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET ROW, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND WOULD THAT, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE, THE WHERE, INCLUDING WHERE THAT CUL-DE-SAC IS AND TO GO AND TO GO BACK ON THE SIDE? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND, AND THAT'S, UM, THIS IS ANOTHER GENERAL ZONING CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED DEED RESTRICTIONS, IT'S ESSENTIALLY STILL A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHALLENGING ABOUT ZONING REQUESTS LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SHOWN A CONCEPTUAL PLAN BY THE APPLICANT, BUT THAT WILL NOT BE ADOPTED WITH THE ORDINANCE.
THAT'S MERELY CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, UM, IF THE ZONING ENTITLEMENTS ARE PUT IN PLACE UNDER MF TWO A, THEY WOULD THEN PROCEED TO PERMITTING WHERE THEY WOULD WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, DAVID AND HIS TEAM AND OTHER PERMITTING STAFF, UM, TO APPLY ANY OTHER KIND OF CITY REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD APPLY LIKE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION OR PLATTING OR BUILDING PERMITS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THAT THAT WE CAN TOUCH WITH A GENERAL ZONING CHANGE IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE CAN WITH A SITE PLAN FOR AN U A DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PD.
UM, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANTS TO VOLUNTEER SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT WOULD GUARANTEE AT LEAST A DEGREE OF COMPATIBILITY WITH THIS EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BUT IT WAS ALSO FINDING A BALANCE WITH, WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE PARTICULAR SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE GOING TO APPLY.
SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THOSE CONDITIONS AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FAIRLY BROAD WHILE STILL GUARANTEEING SOME PROTECTIONS AND DESIGN STANDARDS.
CAN I PLEASE, UM, SO YOU WOULD HAVE FRONT AND DOWN BARLOW AND WHAT'S IN, WHAT IS THE ONE ON TOP? UM, GLENFIELD.
SO GLENFIELD WOULD BE THAT THAT SECTION ON GLENPOOL IS A, IS A FRONT YARD AND BARLOW IS ALL FRONT YARD, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THEN IF THIS, UM, REQUIRES RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AS WELL TO A FULL STREET, NOT AN ALLEY, THAT WOULD ALSO BE A FRONT YARD.
SO THE SIDE YARD THAT IS THAT THERE'S A BUILDING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, CORRECT? RIGHT HERE? YEAH, THOSE ARE, THOSE
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ARE THE COMMERCIAL THAT THAT FRONTS ON THIS ROAD HERE.SO WHEN WE SAY COMMERCIAL, THEY ARE COMMERCIAL ZONED AND OCCUPIED, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S ZONED, I BELIEVE A CR DISTRICT AND THEN IT'S OCCUPIED BY LIKE PERSONAL SERVICES, MEDICAL OFFICE, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE A NEW RIGHT, A NEW STREET DOWN THAT DOWNWARD NOW SIDE AND WE WOULD ALSO HAVE A ROW THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED WHETHER IT'S 50, 6025, CORRECT? I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE 50.
DAVID MIGHT WANT TO JUMP BACK ON THE MIC, BUT 56 IS THE, IS THE STANDARD, BUT WE COULD GO DOWN TO 50.
SO, SO, UM, MR. NOVAS IT, EXCUSE ME MA'AM, THAT'S RIGHT AWAY.
SO SPEAK THAT, THAT DOESN'T SPEAK THOSE THERE VERY OUT OF ORDER.
UM, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THE DIMENSIONS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 50 FEET, 56, THOSE ARE RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS.
NOT, NOT, IT DOESN'T SPEAK OF, OF THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE ROAD ITSELF, WHETHER IT'S TRIGGERED OR NOT.
UM, AND OR THE WIDTH OF THE PAVEMENT WIDTH AND OR UTILITIES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE, UH, IN CONSTRUCTED TO SERVE THIS PROJECT SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE AN ACCESS POINT FROM THROUGH SINCE THEY WOULD HAVE LIKELY HAVE AN ACCESS FROM GLENFIELD.
UM, WE, WE CANNOT SPEAK US TO THE IMPROVEMENTS OF THE ROAD, BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT THE DIMENSIONS THAT I MENTIONED ARE DEDICATION.
SO, SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S 50 FEET, IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM, IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET NOTWITHSTANDING, UM, CURVED GUTTER RIGHT AWAY, UH, UTILITIES IN, IN, IN THE SUCH SIDEWALK WHERE THE SIDEWALK'S FIVE FEET, SIX FEET OR WHATEVER, CORRECT.
ALL OF THOSE DIMENSIONS WOULD NEED TO BE DETERMINED IF THE DEVELOPMENT TRIGGERS THE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO IF THOSE, IF THE DEVELOPMENT DOES TRIGGER THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, IS IT NOT A POSSIBILITY THAT WHAT WE SEE TODAY WOULD BE, WOULD NOT BE WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SEEN IF THE TRIGGERING HAS BEEN DETERMINED AND AND IT MAGICALLY HAS TO HAPPEN? SO THE, SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS BARLOW COULD BE IF, IF IT'S SAYING IT HAS TO BE A 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, IT COULD CONCEIVABLY BE 60 TO 70 FEET BASED ON THE OTHER NEEDS.
TH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AND IF IT'S 70, SO THEN IF YOU GUYS ARE, AND THEN TALKING ABOUT BLOCK PLATE'S, CONTINUITY.
I WOKE UP
I WAS ABOUT GOOD MORNING AT F GOOD MORNING.
I THE COFFEE FINALLY KICKED IN.
OKAY, SO I WAS, I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO END CUZ I WAS GONNA HIT THAT SAME HAMMER, THAT SAME NAIL RIGHT NOW.
SO, SO DO YOU WANT ME TO CONTINUE HITTING'S? IT'S UP TO YOU.
I WAS GONNA JUST GONNA FALL AROUND.
YOU GUYS CAN TAG CHANGE IF YOU WANT.
MR. NAVARRES HAD TO DROP THE MIC MOMENT.
HE JUST DROPPED THE MIC OVER THERE.
WE WERE LIKE, WHAT, WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?
SO ARE THERE HOUSE, I'M GONNA HIT ONE MORE QUESTION.
I'M GONNA PLEASE GO AHEAD AND HIT SO ON BARLOW, ARE THERE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE EXISTING TODAY THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD ALTER IT AND MAKE THOSE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS NONCONFORMING IF WE APPROVE THIS, UM, FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE OF BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY BEING TRIGGERED, UM, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY KIND OF NON-CONFORMITY THERE.
UM, DAVID, WOULD ANY KIND OF RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION OR IMPROVEMENTS FALL OUTSIDE OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DEDICATED AS BARLOW AVENUE HERE ON THIS, UH, GRAPHIC? UM, NO, BUT THOSE ARE TWO, TWO QUESTIONS.
SO NO, THE DEDICATION ITSELF WOULD NOT AFFECT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
IN FACT, THE, WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PERMITTING IS THAT, THAT ONE, THE TWO HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE SCREEN, THE LEFT IMMEDIATELY LEFT OR WEST OF THE SUBJECT SITE, WE WOULDN'T WANT THEM TO BE
SO AT LEAST TO THIS POINT, THEY WOULD NEED TO BUILD OUT THE ROAD.
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I, THE, THE DAY THAT PROJECT DEVELOPS THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD THEMSELVES UNLESS THE CITY GETS TO THAT ROAD FIRST, WHICH I DON'T SEE WHY OR HOW OR WHEN, WHEN THAT PROJECT DEVELOPS, THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A MEANS OF ACCESS FOR BOTH UTILITIES AND VEHICLES.AND AND WHEN YOU SAY THEY, YOU MEAN THE DEVELOPER OF THE THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THAT SECOND HOUSE.
AND LIKEWISE, THE SAME APPLIES TO THIS DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY PLA THE SAME WILL BE TRUE IF THEY CREATE AN ACCESS FROM BARLOW, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO IMPROVE BARLOW UP UNTIL THEIR, THEIR POINT OF ACCESS.
LET ME JUST FOLLOW UP REAL QUICK ON THE CO COMMISSIONER, MR. NAVARRES.
UH, I THINK I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, UH, BARLOW THERE ON THE, ON THE EAST SIDE COULD BE 56 FEET THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT, BUT THAT, THAT WILL BE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE BARLOW ALL THE WAY UNTIL IT REACHES, UH, AN EXISTING IMPROVED RIGHT AWAY.
BECAUSE THEN, WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY IT IS HEADING FORWARD, BECAUSE YOU ALSO SAID THEN, THEN I THINK YOU, YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU SAID AND MAYBE YOU SAW SOME OF, SOME OF OUR JAWS DROP AND THEN YOU SAID, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THIS BODY COULD MAYBE, AND THEN YOU SAID MAYBE AN OWIE BECAUSE I'M, I'M WONDERING IF MAY, AND I'M GONNA ASK THE APPLICANT HERE IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS, IF HE CONSIDERED THAT MAYBE THAT 50 FEET RIGHT AWAY THERE MAY MAKE HIS PROJECT UNFEASIBLE.
UM, HOW IS THAT, HOW IS THAT DETERMINED? IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY SAYS, WELL, NO, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ALLEY OR WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS THERE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT MAYBE GETS THREE STEPS FURTHER DOWN THE LINE AND HE GOES TO PERMITTING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN HIS PROPERTY, HIS PROJECT JUST SHRUNK BY 50%? YES.
WELL, SO FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAND USE NOW.
YOUR NEXT STEP WILL BE PLATTING AT PLATTING STAFF.
STAFF WILL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ROAD TO BE CONTINUOUS ALL THE WAY UNTIL THE GLENFIELD WITH THE STANDARD MINIMUM RIGHT AWAY OF 50.
CAN, COULD IT BE AN ALLEY? IT COULD BE AN ALLEY IF THE ROAD CREATES A DEAD END THAT WOULD BE A COOLEST DEAC OR A HAMMERHEAD.
SO, UH, SO THE QUESTION IS COULD IT, COULD IT DEAD END WITHOUT A COOL DE SAC AND THEN CONTINUE THROUGH BY MEANS OF AN ALLEY? UM, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT, THAT I WOULD PREFER OUR FOLKS IN FIRE WOULD ANSWER.
UM, AN ENGINEERING WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT SCENARIO WHERE THE ROAD JUST TERMINATES WITHOUT A CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, OR PERMANENT DEAD END AND THEN CONTINUING THE FLOW FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, THROUGH AN ALLEY.
BUT THAT'S A SUBSTANDARD CONDITION THAT FIRE WOULD HAVE TO SIGN OFF.
UH, MR. MAUS, ARE YOU STILL ON LINE, SIR? YES.
DID YOU GET, UH, THAT CONVERSATION? YES.
SO WAS THAT PART OF YOUR, UH, YOUR STUDY HERE AND YOUR FEASIBILITY THAT THE, THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT, UH, UH, BARLOW PIECE POSSIBLY BEING UP TO 56 FEET AND RIGHT AWAY? UM, NOT ON 56 FOOT WHEN WE TOOK OUR ENGINEERS OUT THERE.
UH, THE CURRENT BARLOW SUB ROAD THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE TWO HOMES ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT'S 24 FOOT WIDE.
SO THEN WITH THE ALLEY, UH, NEXT TO IT AND SIDEWALKS, I MEAN IT'S GIVING A 34 FOOT WIDE TURN AND THEN WE HAVE THE LITTLE CUL-DE-SAC ON THE BOTTOM OF THE GLENFIELD LOT THAT TURNS UP TOWARDS GLENFIELD.
UM, THAT'S WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY BECAUSE OF, UH, WELL WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE IT A PRIVATE ROAD, UH, BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS WERE ASKING ABOUT SECURITY, SO THEY THOUGHT ABOUT DOING GATE, BUT THEN WE SAID WE'LL MAKE IT A PUBLIC ROAD.
AND, UH, JUST CONTINUING THE ORIGINAL SIZE FOR BARLOW, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S CONSIDERED AN ALLEY BECAUSE IT WAS NAMED BARLOW AVENUE.
SO IF I MAY FOLLOW UP WITH AN APPLICANT'S RESPONSE, OF COURSE, COMMISSION NUMBER ONE, UM, PRIVATE ROADS MUST FOLLOW THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS A PUBLIC STREET.
UM, A PRIVATE ROAD IS PRIVATE UNTIL IT'S TURNED BACK TO THE CITY TO, FOR MAINTENANCE AND THEREFORE WHEN WE WOULD ACQUIRE IT BACK, WE WOULD WANT IT TO HAVE THE SAME STANDARDS.
THE STANDARDS ARE NOT JUST FOR VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS.
THE STANDARDS FOR ROADS ARE TO CREATE ADEQUATE MEANS FOR UTILITIES, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES,
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AND THAT'S, THOSE WOULD BE UTILITIES THAT WOULD SERVE NOT JUST THIS SIDE, BUT THE OTHER TWO PROPERTIES ON BARLOW.GIVEN THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTIES FACING BARLOW WOULD BE PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, I'M CERTAIN THAT WE COULD FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION AT PLATTING WITH THE APPLICANT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DIMENSIONS THIS ROAD WOULD LOOK LIKE AND THEN THAT WOULD DRIVE THE CONVERSATION AS TO WHAT, WHAT, WHETHER OR NOT THE SOUTHERN PART IS A FRONT OR A SIDE OR A REAR, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMMISSION APPROVES AT PLATING.
UH, COMMISSIONER HEMPTON FOLLOW BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
WELL, AND I THINK THIS WILL BE FOR COMMISSIONER NAVARRES.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID.
SO THE RIGHT OF WAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF RIGHT OF WAY, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, IT COULD ALSO, IT'S PRIMARILY SERVING FOR FIRE ACCESS.
SO IF THEY HAD A CONTINUOUS, UM, AND WHAT WE'RE CALLING BARLOW AVENUE, IF THEY CONTINUED THAT AND THEN TURNED IT STRAIGHT NORTH TO CONNECT TO GLENFIELD, THE ONLY REAL GAP THEY POTENTIALLY HAVE ARE THE TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT CONNECT AT SOUTH FRANKLIN STREET.
SO THEY'D NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ACCESS, BUT IF THEY HAD AN L-SHAPED ROAD THAT WAS ON THIS INSIDE CORNER OF THE, UM, AREA THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING, IT WAS DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE FIRE LANE WIDTH AND THERE MAY BE OTHER ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT MAY, AND AGAIN, I SOUNDS LIKE THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT RESOLVED AT PLATTING, BUT WOULD THAT IN CONCEPT BE AN APPROACH THAT THIS, UM, APPLICANT TEAM MIGHT TAKE? YES.
UH, THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT CONCEPT, UH, SHOWS L-SHAPE ROAD.
SO THE FIRE DOES HAVE EGRESS, THE TURNAROUND CUL-DE-SAC SHOULD BE, UM, THE RIGHT SIZE TO TURN AROUND, UH, FOR THE FIRE TRUCK.
UM, I KNOW WHEN WE SPOKE TO FIRE PREVIOUSLY ON OTHER PROJECTS, WE'RE ALSO VOLUNTEERING TO THEM THAT WE CAN SPRINKLER THE UNITS IF WE NEED TO AS SPRINKLER SYSTEMS TO ASSIST.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
UM, SO I KNOW THAT IN THE PACKAGE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY SPOKE OF THE, ONE OF THE OPPOSITION IS IMPROVING, UH, MAYBE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.
WHAT IS THIS, UM, WHAT IS THESE PROPERTIES THAT'S DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO BARLOW ON THE OTHER SIDE? WHAT IS BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES? WHAT IS THE, THE LAND USE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT TO THE SOUTH RIGHT HERE? YEAH, BOTH OF 'EM.
SO, UM, THIS STRUCTURE IS IN USE AS OFFICE.
UM, THIS STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
UM, IT'S NOT BEING USED CURRENTLY.
I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REDEVELOPED.
I'M SURE COMMISSIONER HERBERT COULD SPEAK TO THAT IN GREATER DETAIL THAN I CAME.
UM, BUT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY OFFICE USES.
SO THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING FOR THAT IS WHAT IT, SO IF BARLOW IS CONTINUED AS A STREET, UM, AND COULD THAT BE THE REASON THAT POSSIBLY THEY'RE SPEAKING OF TRAFFIC? BECAUSE IF IT'S CONTINUED AS A STREET, THEN THE PROPERTY ADJACENT THAT IS BEING, THAT IS BEING, WELL BOTH OF THEM THAT IS BEING USED THEN CAN HAVE TRAFFIC POUR INTO THAT COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT STREET IS EXTENDED, UH, FROM THE APPLICANT.
COULD THAT, COULD THAT BE VERY WELL BECOMES A COMMUNITY, WHEREAS RIGHT NOW I'M NOT FOR SURE, BUT JUST LOOKING RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE, THEY CAN BECAUSE THAT APP, THOSE TWO PARCELS WOULD THEN GET THE RIGHT OF WAY OF BEING ABLE TO USE THAT PUBLIC ROAD IF THAT'S A PUBLIC ROAD OR ALLEY, UH, POTENTIALLY, I MEAN THERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, BUT SO CURRENTLY THEY DON'T.
SO CURRENTLY THERE'S NO ROAD THAT GIVES ACCESS FOR THOSE TWO PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AM I CORRECT? NO, THEY TAKE ACCESS FROM OVER HERE, BUT IT IS NOTHING THAT IF THAT ISN'T DONE, THAT COULD BE REASONING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BE, BEGIN IS IS UH, IS CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC BECAUSE THAT COULD CAUSE IN A LAND THAT CAN CAUSE A TRAFFIC ISSUE ONCE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS STARTED BECAUSE A PUBLIC STREET AT THAT POINT, EITHER ONE OF THESE COULD GET PERMITTING TO TO, RIGHT.
THERE'S NOTHING IF, IF THAT RIGHT OF WAY WAS DEVELOPED, THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING THOSE PARCELS TO THE SOUTH FROM USING THAT RIGHT OF WAY BE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT COULD BE THE SPEAK TO OF, BECAUSE THE ACTUAL PROPOSED, UM, SO I'M ASSO SO THE, LET ME FIGURE THE QUESTION TO THE ENGINE.
SO THE PROPOSED 12 UNITS ARE NOT, IS THAT PROBABLY NOT WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT? IT'S THE, THE THE ACTUAL ROAD BEING BUILT THAT COULD CAUSE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT? I MEAN IT COULD BE THAT AND, BUT IN TERMS OF
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THE PERCEPTION OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WERE IN OPPOSITION, UM, IT MAY ALSO BE, AND I I DON'T LITERALLY SPEAKING FOR, FOR OTHER PEOPLEUM, BUT IT COULD ALSO BE THAT, UM, THE PROPOSAL ADDS MORE HOUSING UNITS HERE, WHICH UM, WOULD GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC.
SO WHY WOULD, SO IF IT'S MF TWO IS MF TWO CAN HAVE SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOMES OR WOULD DO OR WOULD OR WHY WOULDN'T THEY, WHY WOULDN'T THEY ASK FOR TOWN HOMES? BECAUSE USUALLY MF IS KIND OF CONDOS MAYBE, OR AM I RIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THAT.
CAUSE I'M, SO IN TERMS OF LAND USE, LAND USE, MF TWO A ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX AND MULTI-FAMILY, UM, AS THE ZONING CODE DEFINES IT.
SINGLE FAMILY IS ONE DWELLING UNIT KNOW ON ONE LOT, DUPLEX IS TWO ON ONE LOT AND THEN MULTI-FAMILY IS THREE OR MORE ON ONE LOT.
SO THAT'S HOW OUR ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD CONSIDER THAT.
AS FAR AS THE PRODUCT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THEY COULD PROPOSE, I BELIEVE THEY'RE PROPOSING SORT OF SEMI-DETACHED TOWNHOME STRUCTURES, BUT AS THOSE WOULD ALL BE ON ONE LOT, WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT MULTI-FAMILY EVEN IF IT LOOKS LIKE A TOWNHOUSE.
SO I GUESS THE REASON THAT I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RE PLATING AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REPLAT, THE, THE, UM, IT, THE SINGLE FAMILY LOST THIS WHY I'M ASKING LIKE WHY WOULDN'T WE, BECAUSE MAYBE I CONSIDERED WHY DIDN'T WE CONSIDER A TOWN HOME DISTRICT? JUST I MADE CONFUSED.
I'M YEAH, I I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.
UM, WITH THE TOWNHOUSE DISTRICT THOUGH, THAT'S STILL SINGLE FAMILY, SO YEAH, THE SINGLE FAMILY, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT WE, WITH THE MF TWO, THEY COULD ALWAYS DO EITHER THEY CAN GO INTO JUST, THEY CAN DO MULTI-FAMILY, THEY CAN DO INSTEAD OF DOING BUT WITH THE TH DOESN'T.
WHEREAS TH ONLY ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY IN DUPLEX.
IT DOESN'T ALLOW MULTI-FAMILY.
SO WHY WAS IT, WAS THAT RECOMMENDED TO THEM OR WAS IT ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS REQUEST CAME IN, THEY WERE PROPOSING EITHER A TH DISTRICT OR AN MF DISTRICT.
AND ONE OF OUR FIRST COMMENTS TO THEM FOLLOWING OUR INTERNAL STAFF REVIEW MEETING WAS, WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO GO WITH? AND I EVEN INCLUDED A DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS COMPARISON IN THE COMMENT LETTER SAYING HERE'S WHAT YOU'D BE LOOKING AT FOR EITHER ONE.
UM, AND BASED ON THEIR PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY, THEY WENT WITH AN MF TWO A DISTRICT.
CUZ IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD BE BETTER TO GET THE TA.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? I DO.
UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, WOULD THAT BE SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEER BY THE APPLICANT? DEFINITELY SUBJECT TO THESE RESTRICTIONS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER RUBEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
IN THE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES COMMISSIONERS AT FOUR 15.
LET'S TAKE JUST A 10 MINUTE BREAK.
IT IS 4:29 PM AND WE ARE BACK ON THE RECORD.
MOVING TO CASE NUMBER 15, SAL GUYER.
CASE NUMBER 15 IS Z TWO 12 DASH 1 96.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AND THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 5 30 FOR AN INDUSTRIAL OUTSIDE USE, LIMITED TO A CONCRETE PLANT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB-DISTRICT ONE, TRACK TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 98, THE HARRY HINES COURT OR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR FIVE YEAR TIME PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UH, JONATHAN VINCENT, 2323 ROSS AVENUE HERE REPRESENTING, UH, READY MIX, WHICH IS, UH, A SUBSIDIARY OF US US CONCRETE, WHICH IS A NATIONWIDE PUBLICLY TRADED ORGANIZATION.
THE REASON I MENTIONED THAT AS AN IMPORTANT FACT IS, YOU KNOW, PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANIES ARE SUBJECT TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF SCRUTINY AND ACCOUNTABILITY, AND THIS IS NO EXCEPTION.
UH, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN AT THIS FACILITY, UM, UNDER PREVIOUS OWNERSHIP, BUT SAME USE GOING BACK TO WE THINK 1971.
UM, PERMIT HISTORY RECORDS REFLECTED 1979 PERMIT FOR CUSTOM CRETE.
UH, AND OF COURSE WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF PD 4 98, THE HARRY HUNT'S SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, THIS PARTICULAR USE AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION WAS SPECIFIED AS BEING ALLOWABLE HERE WITH AN S U P, WHICH, UM, WE GOT FROM COUNSEL THAT SAME YEAR THAT THAT AMENDMENT WAS PASSED IN 2003 AND HAVE MAINTAINED THAT S U P EVER SINCE.
AND ALL OF THIS, UH, BACKGROUND INFORMATION I PROVIDED TO YOU YESTERDAY IN MY COUPLE OF
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EMAILS, UH, WE THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE IN AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION.IT'S IN AN AREA THAT'S A MIXTURE OF OFFICE SHOWROOM, WAREHOUSE LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL, YOU KNOW, ELEVATED DARK TRACKS ON DENTON DRIVE, SOME COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL TYPE USES.
YOU SAW THE, THE PHOTOS EARLIER.
UH, SO WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR THIS.
UM, AND IN FACT, THE ONE NOTICE THAT I, WHEN I WAS UP HERE YESTERDAY, THE ONE NOTICE THAT HAD COME IN AT THAT POINT WAS IN FAVOR AND THEY MADE A POINT OF MENTIONING WHAT A GOOD NEIGHBOR THAT CUSTOM CREED HAS BEEN OVER THE YEARS.
UM, I HAVE TODAY WITH ME, UH, MR. PATRICK GARRETT, WHO IS WITH THE COMPANY.
HE'S THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL COMPLIANCE MANAGER AND HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR, YOU KNOW, ALMOST 30 YEARS.
UH, HE TELLS ME THAT EVERY YEAR THE CITY SENDS VARIOUS INSPECTORS OUT TO INSPECT 'EM FOR AIR QUALITY, WATER QUALITY.
THEY ARE ALWAYS IN COMPLIANCE.
I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT APPARENTLY THERE ARE NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER, A HUNDRED PERCENT COMPLIANCE.
SO, UM, AND FROM A RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY STANDPOINT, AGAIN, THIS AREA IS PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL, LIGHT, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, THAT SORT OF THING.
UH, THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL IS, IS FAR AWAY AS WAS POINTED OUT IN THE BRIEFING.
SO WE THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE AND AN APPROPRIATE SITE.
UM, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE GOT GOTTEN BEFORE.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DO AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR A FIVE YEAR, UM, RENEWAL PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
SO WE'LL BE BACK IN FIVE YEARS PRESUMABLY.
UM, AND I WANT, I WANT TO THANK, UH, MS. ER ALSO.
SHE'S BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH.
VERY THOROUGH, UH, VERY DETAIL ORIENTED, BUT ALSO ALSO GREAT TO WORK WITH.
SO, UM, UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I KNOW YOU HAVE A VERY LONG AGENDA TODAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? I JUST WANNA SAY, OBVIOUSLY I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF REPORT.
OF COURSE,
UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN SPEAK TO THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, WHO'S HERE? ARE HE NOT ON US? MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY.
THE, THIS BODY IS RESTRICTED TO THE LAND USE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUFF IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED BY ANOTHER CITY DEPARTMENT AT A LATER POINT IN TIME.
BUT THIS BODY'S A LAND USE BODY.
I, I WOULD LIKE JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY, I KNOW YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE STAFF REPORT, THAT THE STAFF REPORT DID IN FACT MENTION, UM, THAT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HANDLED THAT REPORT NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER.
SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE ADVOCATE? UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER REEN, I'M, I'M SORRY, I MAY HAVE MISSED THIS.
UM, I KNOW THERE WAS ONE BALLOT SUBMITTED IN OPPOSITION.
MR. VINCENT, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER? I HAVE NOT.
AND THE, UH, THE FIRST THAT I HEARD OF THAT WAS THIS MORNING WHEN I WATCHED THE BRIEFING.
UM, I DO KNOW THAT THE OWNERSHIP IN THAT AREA IS VERY STABLE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL COMMERCIAL OWNERS AND THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS USE, HAVING BEEN HERE FOR 50 PLUS YEARS, THERE IS AN ONGOING RELATIONSHIP WITH ALL OF THE SURROUNDING OWNERS.
UH, IN FACT, THEY TALK A LOT, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S GOING WELL.
SO, UM, THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER OVER THERE.
SO, BUT I'M NOT SPECIFICALLY AWARE OF, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHICH OWNER THAT IS IN THE NOTIFICATION AREA, MUCH OR LESS WHAT THE SOURCE OF THAT IS.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, THE BODY'S PLANNING TO DO THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE, BUT WOULD IT BE YOUR INTENT TO REACH OUT, YOU KNOW, TODAY IF THIS EITHER MOVES FORWARD TO COUNSEL OR IS IS HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT TO, TO ALLAY ANY CONCERNS OF THAT OR FIND OUT WHAT THOSE CONCERNS MIGHT BE FROM THAT PROPERTY OWNER? A ABSOLUTELY.
WE, UM, I WOULD HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO IT IS, BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
I MEAN, THEY, I THINK THEY SUBMITTED A BALLOT MAYBE SHORTLY AFTER THE DEADLINE, I'M SURE.
I BET CITY STAFF COULD PROBABLY BRING THAT TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
AND, UM, ABSOLUTELY, WE ALWAYS WANNA COMMUNICATE WITH, IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE MAP, IT'S ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT HAS THE LITTLE SLIVER OF THE WAREHOUSE USED DOWN SOUTH OF IT.
AND I'M NOT SURE, I THINK, UM, WHEN I SPOKE WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER THIS MORNING, I KNEW SHE WAS NOT GONNA BE HERE TODAY.
AND I THINK SHE HAD SPOKEN WITH COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
THAT'S, WE'RE WE'RE STALLING A BIT, WAITING FOR HER.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE
I'M HAPPY TO TALK, TALK SOME MORE IF YOU WANT ME TO, BUT WE, WE MAY HAVE TO STOP THE MUSIC HERE AND, AND TABLE THIS ONE FOR JUST A MOMENT TO, I BELIEVE THAT SHE, UH, HAS THE, THE DESIRES OF COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND I, I, I DO AS WELL.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR IS AWARE OF THE MOTION.
SO PLEASE, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I MOVE, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IN PAULA STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR, UH, PERIOD WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL SUBJECT TO REVISED SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE.
RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED SITE PLAN, AND, UH, THE FIVE YEAR NO AUTO.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NUMBER 16 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN EMBI TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH POLK STREET BETWEEN CASCADE AVENUE AND ELMHURST DRIVE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOS.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM.
CAN WE UN SPEAK AFTER THE PERSON WHO APPLIED? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT YOU SAID.
CAN I SPEAK AFTER THE PERSON WHO APPLIED? UH, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY REGISTERED TO SPEAK ONLINE.
SO IT, WHOEVER, UM, LET'S SEE HERE.
YEAH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ONE ONLINE THAT'S GONNA SPEAK.
I LIVE AT 1111 ELMHURST PLACE.
I ALSO OWN A HOUSE AT 1102 ELMHURST PLACE.
AND, UM, THIS, UM, HOME THAT HAS BEEN A, WHO APPLIED FOR MULTIPLE LIVING IS A HOME THAT WAS, UM, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT PAST ITS SETBACK AND IT HAS NINE BEDROOMS. AND RIGHT NOW IT HA I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IT HOUSES.
UM, AND THIS IS THE SECOND OWNER THAT HAS HOUSED MANY PEOPLE.
WE HAVE PARKING ON ONE SIDE ONLY BECAUSE OF THE CRAZY AMOUNTS OF SPEED THAT PEOPLE GO DOWN THE STREET.
AND I REALLY OPPOSE, MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S NOT EVEN A HARDLY EVEN A DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PARK.
THEY ALREADY PARK IN THE UTILITY EASEMENT OVERNIGHT AND I HIGHLY OPPOSE IT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM.
COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MS. ER, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SCENE NONE.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES, THE MATTER OF Z 2 1 2 3 48.
I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JUNE THE 15TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUEN FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND THANK YOU, UM, COMMISSIONER HAUSER FOR YOUR SECOND TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JUNE 15TH.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
MS. ESSENTIALLY THIS, THIS MATTER WILL BE HEARD AGAIN ON THE 15TH, UH, TO ALLOW THE, THE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER POPKIN TO, TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE APPLICANT.
SO I, I RECOMMEND THAT YOU MAKE SURE YOU CONTACT COMMISSIONER POPKIN SO YOU'RE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.
UH, SOMEONE HERE AT STAFF WILL, WILL GET YOU HER EMAIL ADDRESS.
I WILL KEEP MOVING ON TO CASE NUMBER 17, MR. MULKEY.
AN APPLICATION FOR A DA DUPLEX SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF GARDEN LANE, SOUTHWEST OF SECOND AVENUE SASS RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE AGAIN.
UH, SO MY CASE IS REGARDING, UH, 34 11 GARDEN LANE AND ESSENTIALLY I'M REQUESTING, UH, DUPLEX ZONING ON THAT.
I UNDERSTAND, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL, BUT I STILL WANTED TO PUT MY CASE FORWARD HERE, UH, TO MAYBE INDUCE SOME THOUGHT AND HOPEFULLY SWING SOME DECISIONS.
SO FIRSTLY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN WITH ADDRESSING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
AND, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE HAS BEEN, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, THIS, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR, RIGHT? THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.
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UM, I'VE DEVELOPED ABOUT, WE'VE BUILT ABOUT 15, 20 HOUSES IN THE PAST ONE YEAR.NOT JUST FOCUSED ON A COUPLE OF STREETS, BUT ALL OVER 75, 210 AND 75, 215, WHICH HAS GIVEN ME THE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH NEIGHBORS AROUND MY DEVELOPMENT AND SPEAK WITH THEM.
SO, UH, HONESTLY, THE TWO BIGGEST ISSUES IS WHEN I TALK TO THEM ABOUT THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS AND REZONING, THOUGH I DON'T THINK ANYONE HAD A OPPOSITION TO ANY REZONING PER SE AS MUCH AS THEY HAD, UM, A OPPOS OPPOSITION TO DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL.
BIG PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE WERE THAT THE LOCALS WHO MOVED HERE IN THE EIGHTIES, NINETIES, AND BASICALLY WHO STARTED LIVING HERE, THEY WERE STILL UNBILLED TO AFFORD, UH, HOUSING.
AND TWO BIGGEST CONCERNS THEY HAD WERE GENTRIFICATION IS WHAT I COMMONLY HEARD.
AND TAXES, RISING TAXES, WHICH I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THIS HEARING, BUT THEY WERE IN GENERAL OPPOSED TO ANY DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO I STARTED, UH, ENGAGED WITH ENGAGING WITH THEM AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, HOW DO I MITIGATE AND HOW DO I, UH, ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.
UH, ONE WAY I COULD PROPOSE WITH THEM WAS TO DEVELOP HOUSES THAT, YOU KNOW, ALIGN MORE WITH THE STREET AND THE AREA AS OPPOSED TO THERE ARE SOME BIG, LARGE HOUSES THAT ARE SELLING CLOSE TO OVER HALF A MILLION AND CONTRIBUTING TO EXTENDED, UH, INCREASED TAXES.
AND WHEN I EXPLAINED TO THEM THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU CONCERN ABOUT GENTRIFICATION AND TAX TAXES, IT KIND OF GOES IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOESN'T HELP THE CITY WHEN, UH, BUILDERS ARE BILLING HOUSES.
IT ESSENTIALLY GOES DIRECTLY AND DIRECTLY TOWARDS THE CITY, TOWARDS THE ISDS, TOWARDS INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA.
AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, I WAS ABLE TO, UH, BASICALLY, UM, ALIGN WITH THEM OF THE THOUGHTS.
SO COMING BACK TO MY, UH, REQUEST HERE, WHY I THINK, UH, THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST THE ZONING CHANGE IS, UH, FIRSTLY TO CONS.
I TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ELEVATION OF THE HOUSES IS SIMILAR TO THE ONES ON THE STREET TO ADDRESS, UH, SO PEOPLE DON'T FEEL BASICALLY OUT OF PLACE.
AND IT HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT ACROSS THE, WE'RE HEARING WE JUST HEARD FROM THE WATERMARK COMMUNITY, AND THERE'S AN AUTO STORE ON THE RIGHT.
SO IT'S ON THE EDGE OF, UH, THE R FIVE.
IT'S NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, R FIVE DISTRICT.
UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DID YOU MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THIS? AS I SAID, I DID.
NOT THE SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'VE SPOKEN DIRECTLY WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND PEOPLE ON THAT ZIP CODE AND 7 52 10 AS WELL.
WERE YOU RECOMMENDED TO SPEAK WITH THIS COMMUNITY? SORRY? WERE YOU RECOMMENDED TO SPEAK WITH THIS COMMUNITY? UM, SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
WERE YOU RECOMMENDED TO SPEAK WITH THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY? YES.
DID YOU SPEAK WITH THIS COMMUNITY? UH, AS I SAID, NOT DIRECTLY WITH THE COMMUNITY, DO YOU KNOW THAT? BUT I'VE SPOKEN TO PEOPLE ON THE STREET, ON THIS STREET AND OTHER STREETS AROUND.
SO DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS A STRONG NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT IS HEAVILY INVOLVED? I'M SORRY? DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS A, A STRONG NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT IS HEAVILY INVOLVED? YES.
AND YOU DID NOT SPEAK WITH THE COMMUNITY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO I, I PUT THE, I PUT A HOUSE PLAN THE ELEVATIONS ON THE LOT AS TO SHOW, TO SHOW THEM EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT I'VE BEEN PLANNING.
AND I'VE BEEN TALKING IN GENERAL WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET ABOUT MY DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT I INTEND TO DO HERE AND WHAT WE ARE INTENDING TO BILL.
AND AS I SAID, SOME OF THEM WERE, I MEAN, SOME OF THEM WERE NOT HAPPY, BUT SOME OF THEM WERE OKAY.
AND WHEN I ASKED THEM QUESTIONS WHY THEY WERE NOT HAPPY, THOSE ARE THE ANSWERS I GOT.
SO YOU DID NOT SPEAK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION DIRECTLY? I WAS ENGAGING WITH THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THAT COMMISSIONER RUBIN? YEAH, JUST, JUST A FEW FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH THIS SITE IS THE BLOCK-BASED CON CON CONTINUITY ISSUE BETWEEN A DUPLEX DISTRICT AND AN R FIVE DISTRICT.
AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT ISSUE FROM THE OTHER CASES FOR SURE.
ARE YOU AMENABLE TO CONSIDERING OTHER SORTS OF DISTRICTS THAT MIGHT INDEED RESTRICTIONS THAT MIGHT SOLVE THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY CHALLENGE? OF COURSE.
UM, I'VE ALREADY, UM, AS I AGREED IN MY PREVIOUS ONE ALSO, I DON'T MIND THESE RESTRICTIONS.
AND TO BRING UP THAT COMMENT ON BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY, I ACTUALLY MEASURE THE FRONT SETBACKS
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ON THE HOUSES ON THE STREET, AND ALL OF THEM ARE BETWEEN 23 AND 30 FEET.SO FOR DUPLEX ALLOWS 25 FEET, IT'S NOT GONNA BE THAT OFF.
THERE'S ONLY ONE HOUSE AT 23 FEET ABOVE, BUT MOST OF THEM IN THE NEXT SLIDE I CAN SHOW THE MEASUREMENT.
AND IN TERMS OF ZONING, IT'S R FIVE DUPLEX AND THE COMMERCIAL.
SO THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS LIKE A TRANSITION TRANSITION INSTEAD OF RATHER BREAKING, UH, ZONING CONTINUITY.
AND ARE YOU AMENABLE TO MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATE? OH YEAH, FOR SURE.
QUESTIONS, UH, IS THAT COMMISSIONER HENDERSON PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HENDERSON.
UM, CONSIDERING THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY IN IT BEING AN R 7.5 WITH A FAIRLY LARGE LOT, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED, UM, HAVING A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND THEN AN ACCESSIBLE DWELLING IN THE BACK THAT MIGHT HELP KIND OF SOLVE THE PROBLEM? I DID.
THAT THOUGHT DID CROSS MY MIND, BUT THEN, UM, THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, I WASN'T SURE HOW IT WOULD HAVE ITS OWN, UM, EVEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE AN ADDRESS OR A SEPARATE METER, UH, WATER METER, ELECTRIC METER, IT WOULD ALL BE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN DWELLING.
SO IT WOULDN'T REALLY, UM, GO WITH WHAT I HAD INTENDED.
THAT THOUGHT WITH THAT, WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THAT, THAT, THAT SOUNDS THAT CONSIDERATION.
UM, WHICH, IF, IF THAT WOULD BE A CONSIDERATION, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT YES.
TO DO AN ACCESSORY DWELLING? IF, IF THERE'S A WAY TO SEPARATE OUT THE ELECTRIC AND WATER METERS, THEN I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THOSE ARE GROWING UP IN SOUTH DALLAS IN AREAS? SORRY? ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE, OKAY.
ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY THAT IS BEING DONE IN SOUTH DALLAS? UH, YOU MEAN THE ADU MM-HMM.
I DID IN FACT BUILD ONE FOR A CLIENT, BUT IT WAS ATTACHED TO THE MAIN HOUSE.
LIKE AN IMAGINATION, YOUR HONOR.
COMMISSIONER, ANYONE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YES.
I THINK THAT THE QUESTION WAS JUST ASKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY TRANSITIONING ON THIS SITE TO AN ADU, I DUNNO IF THIS IS FOR MR. MULKEY OR SOMEONE ELSE, BUT CAN AN ADU BE BUILT BY RIGHT IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT TODAY? VICE CHAIR RUBEN? AN ADU CANNOT BE BUILT BY RIGHT.
THE, YOU COULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND SEEK A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE FAMILY USE REGULATIONS AND GET ONE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.
SO IT COULDN'T COME BACK BEFORE THIS BODY AS A ZONING CHANGE? IT CAN ONLY GO BEFORE THE BOARD ADJUSTMENTS.
THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS THE ONLY BODY THAT CAN GRANT A SPECIAL EXCEPTION OF THE FAMILY USE REGULATIONS FOR AN ADU.
CAN I ASK IF, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, DO, IF THERE WAS A DENIAL BUT THEY WENT TO THE BOARD ADJUSTMENT, DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT THE TWO YEARS? NO, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO THE FILE, THE BOARD APPLICATION TOMORROW.
COMMISSIONER BLIT, I HAVE A, UH, QUESTION FOR THE, FOR, UH, THE ATTORNEY.
IS THIS STANDARD ZONING OR IS THIS ZONING THAT IS DONE ON A, AT, ON A LOT BY LOT BASIS.
I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, CAN YOU ELABORATE AT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? UM, IS THIS A REQUEST THAT IS STANDARD ZONING OR IS THIS A REQUEST
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FOR ZONING BASED ON, UM, A DIFFERENT ZONING CRITERIA BASED ON FOR, FOR ONE PARTICULAR LOT? OR COULD THE ZONE OR IS THIS ZONING FOR A MORE, FOR A WHOLE GENERAL ZONING AREA? THE ZONING REQUEST IS FOR THE SUBJECT SITE.AND IS THAT ZONE, IS THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION BEING ASKED SOMETHING THAT IS STANDARD THROUGHOUT THE ZONING OR ZONING ORDINANCES? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE ON A SPOT BY SPOT BASIS? COMMISSIONER BLAIR SPOT ZONING IS SOMETHING THAT ONLY A COURT CAN DETERMINE
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSE? RIGHT.
PARDON ME? UM, THIS MORNING AT THE BRIEFING WE DISCUSSED THE, UH, THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY ISSUE AND THE FACT THAT THIS, UH, ZONING REQUEST WOULD, I'LL USE THE WORD BURDEN THE EXISTING LOTS TO THE WEST.
UM, MR. MULKEY, WHAT, WHAT SORT OF WORKAROUNDS TO THAT CAN YOU DIRECT US TOWARDS? WELL, THAT LAST CASE I HAD, UM, KIND OF DIDN'T GO THE WAY I ANTICIPATED IT TO, SO NOW I'M A LITTLE ENCOURAGED.
BUT, UM, A SIMILAR ZONING DISTRICT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A POSSIBILITY HERE.
UM, SOME OF THOSE TEEN RESTRICTIONS THAT WE, UM, HAD VOLUNTEERED BY THE ST APPLICANT AT THE HEARING, UM, I DON'T THINK WOULD APPLY HERE BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A DOUBLE FRONTAGE LOT.
UM, SOME OF THEM COULD BE APPLIED HERE IF THE APPLICANT VOLUNTEERED THEM TO RESTRICT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, UM, LOT COVERAGE, ET CETERA.
UM, IN TERMS OF DESIGN AND AESTHETICS AND EVERYTHING, UM, I'M LITERALLY PULLING THIS FROM LITTLE FIRES EVERYWHERE THAT SHOW THAT WAS ON HULU A YEAR OR TWO AGO WITH LIKE CARRIE WASHINGTON AND, UH, REESE WITHERSPOON.
UM, BUT IT TAKES PLACE IN LIKE A MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY, THE FIRST MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY IN THE NATION.
AND, UM, ONE THING THAT'S IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, FOR DUPLEX STRUCTURES AND WHAT IS PREDOMINANTLY A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT, UM, THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ONLY HAS ONE DOOR.
UM, THAT'S A THING THAT WE HEAR FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS A LOT IS THAT, UM, THE TELL I GUESS FOR A DUPLEX STRUCTURE IS IT HAS TWO DOORS.
UM, I BELIEVE, UM, UNLESS SOMEONE STOPS ME, I BELIEVE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A CONDITION OF THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AS WELL THAT ONLY HAVE ONE MAIN ENTRANCE.
AND THEN FROM THAT MAIN ENTRANCE THERE'S MAYBE AN INTERIOR FOUR YEAR THAT SPLITS OFF INTO SEPARATE DOORS FOR EACH UNIT.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOME, THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF THAT COULD KIND OF GIVE THE SAME APPEARANCE HERE.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT INFORMED US THAT THERE ARE INCONSISTENT SETBACKS ALONG THIS BLOCK FACE.
AND SO DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING IN YOUR RESPONSE? UM, WELL, WITH ZONING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S ENTITLED, WHAT'S POSSIBLE UNDER EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING.
UM, SO IF THERE ARE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES, NON-CONFORMING UNDER THE R FIVE A ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY, THAT REALLY DOESN'T COME INTO PLAY FOR US.
IT MAY FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS OR SOMETHING IF, IF THAT LOT WAS OVER REDEVELOPED.
UM, BUT FOR US, AS FAR AS WHERE CONCERNS, OUR FIVE A LOTS ARE SUBJECT TO A 20 FOOT FRONT YARD.
NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISS.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER? GIVE ME A A SECOND BECAUSE MY MIND IS WORKING.
I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A MINUTE BECAUSE THIS IS I MORE THAN A SECOND.
I DO HAVE SOMETHING, I DO HAVE SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSING CRISIS.
IT DOES AND, AND THERE'S SOMETHING FAMILIAR IN THE AREA AS SOON AS I FIGURE OUT HOW THEY GOT IT, AND I'LL GIVE YOU A YAY NEIGHBOR, I GOT SOMETHING.
IS IT TOO LATE FOR ANOTHER QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT? ABSOLUTELY NOT, PLEASE.
UM, THE, UH, ELEVATION YOU SHOWED US OF THE FRONT OF YOUR, YOUR PROPOSAL, UM, WHAT I ASSUME, OF COURSE I SAW TWO DOORS, BUT WHAT, I ASSUME THAT THE RIGHT HAND DOOR IS QUITE A BIT BACK FROM THE LEFT HAND DOOR, OR ARE THEY IN THE SAME FACADE? WELL, NOT, NOT TOO FAR BACK, BUT THIS LOT IS ON A UNIQUE PLACE BECAUSE IT'S AN ALLEY ON THE SIDE.
SO THAT DOOR CAN EASILY BE SWING ON THE OTHER SIDE IF HAD TO THE,
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THE LOT IS ON A CORNER, THERE'S AN ALLEY ON THE RIGHT OF THE LOT, SO I COULD EASILY SWING THE FRONT DOOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE, AND THAT WAY THE FACADE WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE FRONT DOOR.WHICH HAMPTON PLEASE, MR. SHAWA? UM, DO I UNDERSTAND, I KNOW ON, UM, OTHER RECENT CASES YOU'VE HAD SITE PLANS AND FLOOR PLAN LAYOUTS.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE IN YOUR PRESENTATION PACKET? UM, I DO NOT HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR THIS ONE, BUT OKAY.
IT'S, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT NOT IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT I DO HAVE ONE'S JUST NOT IN THE PRESENTATION.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ONE AVAILABLE THAT YOU COULD PUT ON THE SCREEN? YES.
UH, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL, I THINK FOR SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, UH, LET ME PULL IT UP YOUR IPAD.
ARE YOU LOGGED INTO THE WEBEX? OKAY, GO MR. CHAIR.
PEACE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.
I THINK I HAVE A QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE FOR MR. NAVARRE.
THIS FOR, IT'S FOR MY OWN, UM, KNOWLEDGE ABOUT SUBMETERING.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE APPLICANT FROM INSTALLING A SUBMETER, UM, ON THE PROPERTY ON A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY? UH, I'M NOT SURE HE'S HERE.
CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE APPLICANT FROM INSTALLING A SUBMETER? I THINK HIS CONCERN IS COULD BE UNITS BE SEPARATELY METERED.
UM, AND I'M WONDERING IF IN A R 75 REST SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT COULD, IS THERE ANYTHING AGAINST INSTALLING A SUBMETER SO THAT THE ADVOCATE COULD MONITOR THE D ENERGY TO THE OTHER PROPERTY? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON TO HAVE A SECOND ELECTRICAL METER WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
JUST LET US KNOW WHEN YOU GET THAT PULLED UP AND WE'LL, COMMISSIONER WHEELER? YEAH, I JUST SENT IT ON.
HE'S GONNA SET THE FLOOR PLAN.
HE SHOULD, HE'S PULLING IT UP.
TECHNICAL, MAYBE THE, I, UH, THE AT BANDITS TOOK IT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE B THE SIDE DOOR IS RECESSED FAR BEHIND COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
SO FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR MR. MULK.
WELL, I GUESS THIS IS PROPOSED AS A DUPLEX DISTRICT.
IS PARKING ALLOWED IN THE FRONT YARD IN A DUPLEX DISTRICT?
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THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.COMMISSIONER WEER, UM, I, I REMEMBER THIS DESIGN AND I WAS AGAINST THIS DESIGN AND YOU REMEMBER WHY, UM, WE WANTED BOTH THE HOUSES TO FACE IN THE FRONT.
I THINK THE DESIGN YOU WERE TALKING WAS BOTH THE HOUSES WERE LOOKING ON THE SIDE.
AND I ASKED YOU DID YOU CONSIDER GOING UP STORIES? YES, WE DID DISCUSS THAT.
GOING TWO STORIES AND THE REASONING BECAUSE YOU WANTED THE FRONT FACING, BECAUSE THE BACK UNIT DOESN'T HAVE A VIEW OF THE FRONT STREET.
AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING.
I MEAN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TWO STORIES TO BE HONEST.
AND ALSO THE PARKING CAN BE AT THE REAR BECAUSE THERE'S AN ALLEY ON THE SIDE, SO IT COULD EASILY ADD A DRIVEWAY AND HAVE A ALL THE, BOTH THE PARKING ON THE REAR SIDE.
DID YOU CHECK WITH THE, THE CITY TO SEE IF THAT ALLEY IS, UM, BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS A REASON.
IS THAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES.
I WAS JUST SAYING THAT CALLIE COULD BE ABANDONED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER OR DO YOU HAVE ENT? I DO HAVE A MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION TO LEAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND TO, UM, TO GO AGAINST A STEP WELL, NO, TO LEAVE THIS PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND, AND RESET TO WHAT'S THE NEXT DATE? JUNE 1ST.
SO, OR JUNE 15TH IF YOU WANT A LITTLE MORE TIME.
CAN I GIVE A REASONING? PARDON ME? YEAH, I CAN GIVE A REASONING OR NO, NO, JUST YOU, YOU WANT IT HELD TO JUNE 15TH.
WELL, COULD I GIVE A REASONING? PARDON ME? CAN I GIVE A REASONING? YOU, YOU CAN IF YOU WANT.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN, SECONDED COMMENTS, PLEASE.
I, I, I DON'T WANNA MOVE TO DENY TODAY BECAUSE OF, OF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON BROUGHT UP A GREAT, UM, UM, POINT.
AND I WANT TO GET WITH THE APPLICANT TO SEE POSSIBLY MODIFYING HIS APPLICATION IF, IF IT CAN GO THROUGH THIS BODY AND NOT JUST THE BOARD ADJUSTER.
AND I HAVE TO CHECK ON SOME THINGS, BUT I, I, BECAUSE AGAIN, I CAME IN THINKING STRAIGHT DENIAL LOT, IT IS NOT IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
BUT BECAUSE I KNOW THE COMMUNITY SO WELL, THERE IS OTHER OPTIONS THAT STILL HELPS US WITH LIVING, UM, GETTING THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, AND OUR LACK OF HOUSING UNITS.
SO I I I'M GONNA JUST HOLD IT OVER AND THEN I'M GONNA DEFINITELY GET WITH YOU AND, AND TAKE YOU AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME THINGS, OKAY? SURE.
THANK COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
I'M, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT A MOTION TO GET THIS ONE RIGHT.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT I DO SUPPORT THIS, THIS APPLICATION PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH AS IS, I MEAN, I JUST, I THINK IT'S ON THE EDGE OF R FIVE.
IT'S IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO NC.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM A A, UM, UH, SOON TO BE LIKELY TO BE W M U DISTRICT.
UM, I, I, I DON'T THINK IT'S SPOT ZONING.
UM, SO, UH, I'M, WELL, I'M SURE WE'LL GET IT RIGHT THE NEXT TIME AROUND.
SAME COMMENTS AS COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT? WITH THE ADDITION THAT THERE IS AN ALLEY THERE THAT COULD ADD SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU, THAT IS NOT A POSSIBILITY ON, ON LOTS THAT ARE NOT ON THE END.
ALSO IN AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, I THINK COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONE THAT WE SAW THAT YOU HAD TODAY, THAT THE CHALLENGES OF THIS ONE ARE PROBABLY, IN MY VIEW, A LITTLE FEWER THAN THE CHALLENGES OF THE ONE THAT WE HEARD EARLIER TODAY IN A LOT OF ITS LOCATION IN SOME OTHER THING.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE A GENTLE TOUCH HERE MIGHT DO THE TRICK.
MAYBE IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE MORE, BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT Y'ALL COME UP WITH.
I THINK THAT'S A REALLY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YEAH, I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER.
IF WE'RE GONNA BE CONSISTENT, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHY WE'RE HOLDING IT.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE HOLDING IT IS THIS, THE MAIN REASON IS THE APPLICANT KNEW TO HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
AND THIS, I CAN TELL YOU 100%, THAT IF HE
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WOULD'VE HAD COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, IT WOULD'VE BEEN MORE THAN FIVE PEOPLE.AND WE COULD'VE WENT THROUGH AND THEY WOULD'VE TOLD ME.
SO THERE WAS NO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
UM, AND ALSO POSSIBLY IF WE COME BACK THIS ROUTE, THE CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS THAT I, BECAUSE, UM, KNOWING THAT BASED OFF OF WHAT I'VE TALKED WITH THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT HAS SAID HE'S GONNA SELL.
THERE'S NO FRONT WHERE THE BACK UNIT IS.
LOOK, DOESN'T HAVE FRONT VIEW AT ALL.
IT'S LIKE THEY'RE IN THE BACK OF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.
SO I'M GONNA WORK WITH THIS APPLICANT ON THIS.
AND A POTENTIAL QUESTION FOR STAFF IS WE STILL HAVE THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY CHALLENGE ON THIS SITE.
IF WE KEEP IT, YOU KNOW, WITH, IF WE DO MOVE TO A DUPLEX, IF WE WERE TO NEED TO MOVE TO A TH SOME SORT OF TH DISTRICT TO ACCOMMODATE THE CHANGES, WOULD WE NEED TO RE ADVERTISE OR COULD WE JUST GO TO TH UM, I'D HAVE TO LOOK.
I THAT WOULD BE A MORE INTENSE USE.
WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE, THAT IS IMPORTANT ON THE SETBACK IS BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT, AM I RIGHT? I, I'M, I'M GONNA ASK RYAN.
WE DON'T WANT THE OTHER HOMES TO BE COME.
WHAT IS IT CALLED? CAUSE I'M LIKE, WHAT'S THE BLACKFACE CONTINUITY? YES.
AND, AND I'M SUPER HYPER ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THOSE TIMES THAT I DON'T, THAT I CAME IN WITH A STRAIGHT DENIAL BECAUSE WHERE IT SITS IN, I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING THAT STILL MAKES THE COMMUNITY HAPPY IN SOME WAY, UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY THE BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY THAT WILL MAKE THE OTHER HOME OWNERS.
AND THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BUNCH OF EMPTY LOTS.
THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT HAS KEPT OUR HOMES.
UM, WE DEFINITELY STILL HAVE TO, WE'RE GONNA LET THE SETBACK, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO, THAT'S GONNA BE TOO MUCH.
ALL RIGHT, MS. MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.
CAN I OFFER A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, OF COURSE, TO THE MOTION TO HOLD IT, TO ALSO HAVE IT RE-ADVERTISED, UM, FOR A TH THREE.
PRESUMING WE COULD GO DOWN TO TH TWO, TH ONE, IF THAT WOULD BE WHAT TH THREE SUBJECT TO DEED RESTRICTIONS.
IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? CAN I GET A DEFINITION PLEASE?
CAN I, CAN I KICK THIS ONE TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR, OR CITY STAFF? I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING, BUT I WILL TAKE IT TO THE PROFESSIONALS AS I UNDERSTAND IT.
THE MOTION WAS ORIGINALLY TO HOLD AND YOU'RE MAKING AN AMENDMENT JUST TO ASK STAFF TO RE ADVERTISE TO A TH THREE DISTRICT IS WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE.
CONSIDERATION IF IT'S TH THREE.
AND DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN THE RE ADVERTISEMENT? IF WE'RE POSSIBLY CONSIDERING DE YEAH.
WITH IF, IF, UM, SO THAT'S OKAY.
DEFENDANT YET SH UH, DID YOU ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? COMMISSIONER WHEELER? IT'S OKAY.
ACCEPT FRIENDLY AND ACCEPTED COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WHEELER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RUBEN TO, UH, HOLD THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT OF JUNE 15TH WITH, UH, UH, STAFF RE-ADVERTISING AS A T THREE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
HAVE IT MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 18.
ITEM NUMBER 18, AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE
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PERMIT FOR A TOWER ANTENNA FOR CELLULAR COMMUNICATION ON PROPERTIES ON THE CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT, UH, WITH AN H 33 FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY ON THE WEST LINE OF PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE, NORTH OF GAINES STREET.RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A1 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR OUR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO 10 YEAR PERIODS, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, SITE ELEVATION, PLAN, AND CONDITIONS.
AND THE CASE NUMBER IS Z TWO 20 3001 34.
YOU PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, SIR.
I'M DOUG HENDERSON, UH, 36 0 2 LAKE CHAMPLAIN DRIVE, ARLINGTON, TEXAS 76,016.
UH, WE'RE HERE CAUSE T-MOBILE NEEDS TO IMPROVE SIGNALS TO, UH, ITS CUSTOMERS.
UH, THE FAIR PARK, UH, STATE FAIR OF TEXAS IS THE APPLICANT, UH, BECAUSE THEY AGREE THEY WANT, UH, CUSTOMERS, UH, DURING PARK EVENTS, UH, AND, UH, IN SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE BETTER COVERAGE.
UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT WE'RE SEEING INCREASES IN COMMERCIAL DEMAND IN THIS AREA.
UH, I THINK EVERYBODY WILL AGREE THAT THAT'S A GOOD THING IN SOUTH DALLAS.
UH, WE'RE ALSO NOTICING AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, MOVING AWAY FROM LANDLINE WIRED TELEPHONES AND TO WHERE CELL PHONE IS THE PRIMARY PHONE IN THE FAMILY.
UH, SO THAT SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE INCREASING DEMAND, WE HAVE SOME SPOTS THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE.
AND THIS PROPOSED, UH, MONO POLE, UH, AND THE ANTENNAS AT THE TOP OF IT WILL MEET THAT NEED THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAD SOME, UH, WORRIES ABOUT WHETHER, UH, THIS PROPOSAL WAS GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE FAIR PARK MASTER PLAN.
AND I'D LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE, UH, FULL ON IN TRYING TO, TO MEET THE STANDARDS OF THE MASTER PLAN AND, UH, UH, WE SUPPORT THE STAFF'S EFFORTS, UH, TOWARD THAT.
AND WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US TODAY.
I THINK YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE DISCUSSION AT THE BRIEFING, AND I APOLOGIZE IF YOU SAID THIS AND I JUST MISSED IT.
UM, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO CONSIDERING A SOLID MASONRY WALL AT THIS LOCATION INSTEAD OF THE CHAINLINK FENCE? UH, YES.
I, I THINK THAT, UH, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, CMU, UH, AND, AND WE ARE WILLING TO DO THAT AS A, A WALL, UH, AND, UH, THE HOPES THAT MAYBE THAT WILL BE THE FIRST, UH, ALONG THERE THAT WILL START AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE, IN THE APPEARANCE ALONG THAT STRETCH.
I THINK, AS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, MOVING PARTS IN, IN WITHIN FAIR PARK AND IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? EXCUSE ME, FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, PLEASE.
I JUST WANNA SAY YOU HAVE MORE RESILIENCE THAN ANYONE I'VE EVER SEEN.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE SINCE NINE O'CLOCK THIS MORNING,
SO I JUST WANTED TO HONOR THAT RESILIENCE.
WELL, I SECOND THAT ESPECIALLY CUZ YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE WHISPERED AND THE WHISPER WOULD, WE COULD HAVE MOVED YOUR CASE A LITTLE EARLIER.
I I SORT OF KNEW HOW IT WOULD GO.
I, THIS IS, UH, I'M ON THE, THE DOWNHILL SLIDE OF MY CAREER
WE WERE OVER ON, ACROSS THE STREET AT 500 IRVE LONG TIME BEFORE THIS BUILDING WAS EVEN ENVISIONED.
AND, UH, UH, BUT I, I KIND OF ENJOY THAT.
SO BEING HERE, NINE O'CLOCK WAS, OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON,
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PLEASE.UM, WELL ALSO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
SO THESE, THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF MY NAIVETY.
UM, ARE THERE ANYTHING, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAVE OTHER COMMUNITIES BEEN SAYING THAT MIGHT BE PROS AND CONS ABOUT HAVING THESE TOWERS IN THEIR VICINITIES? JUST SO THAT WE COVER ALL OF THE BASES? UH, WELL, THE, IF ANYTHING, NOW I HADN'T HEARD ANY, ANY, UH, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THIS PARTICULAR SITE.
UH, I VISITED WITH, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER A FEW TIMES.
YOU KNOW, UH, I, I DID CALL, UH, UH, THINK IT'S CALLED REVISED SOUTH DALLAS COALITION, UH, AND LEFT, UH, MESSAGES, UH, FOR THE, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.
I, I'M, I'M SPEAKING MORE IN TERMS OF HOW THESE CELL PHONE TOWERS OPERATE AND OH, SURE.
WHAT KIND OF PASS, YEAH, THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT WE JUST ARE IGNORANT OF THE, UH, THESE OPERATE, UH, BY DIVIDING THE SIGNAL INTO, UH, THREE SECTORS, UH, EACH SECTOR BEING 120 DEGREES, UH, SO THAT WE COULD GET A 360 DEGREES OF COVERAGE.
UH, THE ANTENNAS SEND AND RECEIVED DATA TO YOUR TELEPHONE, UH, AND, UH, THAT TECHNOLOGY IS IMPROVING ALL THE TIME.
UH, BUT CERTAINLY THE DEMAND IS INCREASING ALL THE TIME.
SO IT'S, IT'S A NEVERENDING EFFORT TO TRY TO MEET THAT DEMAND.
UH, AND AS THE, AS THE DEMAND INCREASES, UH, WELL, WE, SINCE THESE ARE CELLS, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY OVERLAP A VARIETY OF CELLS IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, THERE'LL BE MORE DEMAND PLACED ON THOSE EDGES, THOSE MARGINS WHERE THE, THE CELL SIGNALS OVERLAP.
UH, THOSE, THOSE GET MORE MARGINAL, IF YOU WILL.
UH, AND, UH, IT, IT FORCES US INTO A POSITION OF TRYING TO, TO ANTICIPATE WHERE THOSE NEXT GAPS ARE GOING TO BE.
UM, WE, WE ALWAYS WANNA STAY AHEAD OF THAT BECAUSE, UH, THESE, THESE ARE, UH, THE TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS THAT ARE, THEY'RE NOT JUST FOR TAKING PHONE CALLS, BUT NOW IT'S BUSINESS DATA AND IT'S 9 1 1.
UH, YOU, YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A NINE ONE ONE CALL THAT DROPS.
UH, AND NOW WE'RE NOT THERE TO, TO LET, ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE NOT AT THAT CRISIS POINT WITH THIS SITE.
BUT, UH, BUT ONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES WE HAVE IS ALWAYS STAYING AHEAD OF THAT.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE OF THE, SO WOULD YOU SAY THAT YOU, YOU'RE INCREASING CAPACITY IN THE AREA YES.
AND BRIDGING THE DIGITAL DIVIDE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE DIGITAL CAPACITY? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, I GUESS MY SECOND AND LAST QUESTION IS JUST KIND OF A FAR REACH, UM, HOW MUCH CREATIVITY CAN GO INTO THESE POLES? I MEAN, IN TERMS OF CREATING POSSIBLY A MONUMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RELATIVE TO FAIR PARK.
AND I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE FARFETCHED, BUT I HAD TO ASK FOR THE COMMUNITY IF THEY COULD GET SOMETHING THAT'S COOL LOOKING, BUT THOSE, THAT'S THE END OF MY QUESTIONS AND I APPRECIATE IT.
UH, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR POLL IS, UH, IT'S CALLED A MONO POLL.
UH, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE LIGHT POLES THAT LINED THAT, UH, RAIL RIGHT OF WAY CURRENTLY.
UH, AND, AND JUST A, A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN SOME OF THOSE LIGHT POLES.
UH, THE, THE IDEA BEING IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A GALVANIZED STEEL POLE, WHICH, UH, WHICH TENDS TO NOT BE VERY VISIBLE IN, UH, IN DAYLIGHT.
YOU, THEY ACTUALLY SORT OF DISAPPEAR IN THE, IN THE SKY, UH, MATCH THE COLOR, UH, IF YOU WILL.
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AND THEN THE, THE ANTENNAS THAT WE USE ARE A GRAY TONE THAT ALSO HELPED TO, TO HIDE THOSE.THE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S CHANGING IN THE INDUSTRY IS THAT THE RADIOS THAT ALL USED TO BE ON THE GROUND, SOME OF THEM NOW ARE ALSO, UH, UH, IN THE AIR.
UH, IT, AND BECAUSE OF THE SHORT DISTANCE, MEANING ONE FOOT INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED FEET, IT MEANS THAT YOU CAN PACK MORE SIGNAL INTO THAT SPACE.
THE LONGER YOU HAVE FOR A, A SIGNAL CORD OF ANY TYPE, UH, THE, THE MORE LOSS THAT YOU HAVE IN, IN THAT SIGNAL.
AND SO THE INCREASING, INCREASING THAT ABILITY TO HAVE THOSE RADIOS ON TOP, UH, MEANS THAT YOU'RE ADDING WEIGHT TO THAT POLE.
AND SO THERE'S A LIMIT TO, UH, TO HOW BIG YOU CAN MAKE THE POLE.
UH, IT, AND IT'S, AND IT'S A TRADE OFF.
THE, THE, THE POLE HAS TO BE STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD UP, UH, AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT, UH, AND STILL MEET THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY, UH, THAT IS DEMANDED BY THE, THE INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE.
THE, UH, THE OTHER ISSUES, UH, ARE THAT WE, UH, IN SOME OF THE STEALTH STRUCTURES THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON IS PROBABLY, UH, THINKING ABOUT, THERE'S A LIMIT ON HOW MANY ACTUAL CARRIERS CAN BE IN THOSE.
SO IF WE WERE TO, TO CONVERT THIS TO A STEALTH STRUCTURE, UH, T-MOBILE WOULD BE THE ONLY USER FOREVER.
UH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO STACK THE, UH, THE ANTENNAS ALONG THE, THE POLE RATHER THAN HAVE, UH, ONE CARRIER ALL AT ONE LOCATION ON THE TOP OF THE POLE.
WE HOPE, UH, TO HAVE OTHER CARRIERS JOIN US ON THIS, AND WE WOULD PROVIDE SPACE FOR THEM ON THE TOWER AT, UH, MARKET RATE.
UH, I THINK YOUR ORDINANCE, I CAN'T RECALL.
MOST CITIES HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WE CANNOT, UH, UH, RAISE THE, THE PRICE FOR RENTAL ABOVE A STANDARD.
AND, UH, AND SO YOU FIND THAT, THAT ALL OF THE, THE CARRIERS WORK TOGETHER IN TRYING TO COME UP WITH REASONABLE RENTAL RATES FOR THESE TOWERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? SCENE NONE.
COMMISSIONER WHEELER, DO YOU HAVE ENT? THANK YOU.
I MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 34, I MOVED TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE AND ELEVATION PLAN AND CONDITIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE.
WHAT KIND OF WALL WAS THAT? I'M MASONRY MASONRY WALL.
A SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL SCREENING MUST PROVIDE AS SHOWN ON THE REVISED SITE ELEVATION PLAN.
UH, DID YOU SAY 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC, SORRY, SORRY, SORRY.
FOR A 10 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL TWO 10 YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLAN ELEVATION PLANS AND CONDITIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER WHEELER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE UP PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A1 YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL TWO 10-YEAR PERIOD, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, SITE AND ELEVATION PLANNING CONDITIONS, AS WELL AS THE ADDED CONDITION IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE MASONRY WALL, SIX FOOT MASONRY WALL.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING WITH US.
UH, NUMBER 19, MR. CHAIR? YES, SIR.
WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO FOREGO BRIEFING ON THIS ITEM? I BELIEVE WE WERE NOT GONNA HAVE A BRIEFING.
THAT'S WHY MS. ERRA IS READING IT.
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OKAY.UH, ITEM NUMBER 19 IS CA 2 3 0 2 1 5 0 0 1 16.
AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BY JOSEPHINE GONZALEZ OF CHANDLER SIGNS AND INC.
FOR A 103.5 SQUARE FOOT ILLUMINATED DETACHED SIGN AT 25 51 ELM STREET NORTH.
GOOD LAMER EXPRESSWAY FRONTAGE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
I'LL SEE THAT THERE'S NO SPEAKERS HERE, NO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
AND MS. AL, I REALIZE THAT YOU'RE PINCH HEADING FOR MR. POOL.
UM, THE ONLY QUESTION, IF YOU ARE AWARE, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS FOR MONUMENT SIGNS IN THIS SIGNED DISTRICT? HOLD PLEASE.
THE, UH, QUESTION THAT I HAD ASKED WAS IF THERE WERE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.
THIS APPEARS TO BE A MONUMENT SIGN, I BELIEVE, PER THE ORDINANCE CONDITIONS, IT IS SIMPLY DETERMINED AS A, UH, FREE-STANDING SIGN.
BUT WERE THERE ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS REGARDING HEIGHT OR LOCATION FOR THE SIGN? SO FOR A MONUMENT SIGN IN THIS AREA, SPECIFICALLY A UH, MULTI-TENANT MONUMENT SIGN, UH, ALL REQUIREMENTS ARE BASED ON SETBACK.
UM, WITH A FIVE FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, THE, UH, MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 12 AND A HALF FEET WITH THE MAXIMUM EFFECTIVE AREA OF 125 SQUARE FEET.
UH, ONE THING UNIQUE ABOUT A MONUMENT SIGN IS THAT, UH, EVERYTHING ABOVE GRADE IS CONSIDERED EFFECTIVE AREA, AND WE ARE AT A 103.5 SQUARE FEET.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, THANK YOU.
IN THE MATTER OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE FOR SIGNS CASE NUMBER 23 2 15 16, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST PER STAFF AND I BELIEVE S S D A C RECOMMENDATION.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
AND COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES NUMBER 20.
DO I RECONSIDERATION? NO, YOU'RE FINE.
RECONSIDERATION OF ACTION TAKEN ON MAY 4TH, 2023, IN WHICH WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIOD.
SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS IS BRIEFED ON PROPERTY WITHIN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF EASTERN ROAD AND EAST LAKE HIGHLANDS DRIVE.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
AND I MOVED TO RECONSIDER THE ACTION TAKEN ON MAY 4TH, 2023, WHICH WAS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF Z 2 23 DASH TWO OH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NUMBER TWO, UM, CONSIDERATION OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL ON PROPERTY WITHIN AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF EASTERN ROAD AND EAST LAKE HIGHLANDS DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIODS, UH, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGE PLAN, MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? UM, YES.
OR ACTUALLY, MAY I ASK A QUICK QUESTION OF STAFF THAT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED WITH THE FIRST MOTION? OF COURSE.
UM, MR. DRE, IS IT CORRECT THAT THIS IS BACK BEFORE US BECAUSE OF A NOTIFICATION, UM, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED AFTER THE ACTION AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECONSIDERING THIS CASE? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
SECOND MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 2 0 7.
I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION
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AND APPROVE FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO-YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AT TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR HANDLING THAT FOR, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
QUICK SHOUT OUT TO, UH, MS. MUNOS FOR HANDLING NINE ZONING CASES TODAY, INCLUDING, BY THE WAY, I THINK SHE HAD TO REWRITE A COUPLE OF CASE REPORTS THAT WERE LOST ON THE DATA WITH THE DATA BREACH.
YOU GUYS, WHAT YOU DO, HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
IT IS, UH, 5:32 PM SHOCKINGLY, HAVE A GOOD EVENING.