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[City Planning Commission]

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COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEAT.

YOU'RE SIX, SEVEN.

ONLY HAVE SIX.

COMMISSIONER, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND START OUT, UH, COMMISSIONER.

SO TO BEGIN WITH, A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

MS. DISTRICT ONE.

DISTRICT TWO.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT FOUR.

DISTRICT FIVE.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT SIX.

DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT.

DISTRICT NINE.

DISTRICT 10.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 11.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 12.

DISTRICT 13.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14 AND PLACE 15.

I'M HERE.

DISTRICT.

HAVE FORMS HERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. PASINA.

GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, MAY 11TH, MAY 18TH, 2023 AT 12:32 PM JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.

UH, I DID NOTICE THAT SOME OF YOU WERE FILLING OUT THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS, AND WE SURE TO APPRECIATE THAT.

WE'D LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.

THE CARD SHOULD BE DOWN HERE ON ONE OF THESE TABLES.

YOU CAN LEAVE IT AT THIS LITTLE BOX THERE ON, UH, TO YOUR RIGHT.

UH, OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES, UH, PER OUR RULES.

IN CASES WHERE THERE IS OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE, UH, REBUTTAL.

WELL, WE'LL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS AND SOME COMMISSIONERS ONLINE.

I WILL SPEAK ALL, UH, ASK ALL OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.

STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE MUST SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

UH, MS. PACINO WILL KEEP TIME, YOU'LL HEAR, UH, AN ALARM WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

I'LL ASK YOU TO PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS AT THAT TIME.

UH, ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, UH, UH, ALL SPEAKERS, UH, PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR AND, UH, ALSO REFRAIN FROM MAKING ANY PERSONAL IMPERTINENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS.

AND WITH THAT, WE WILL GET STARTED, UH, WITH THE DOCKET.

AGAIN.

WELCOME.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE ZONING CASES UNDER ADVISEMENT.

THERE ARE CASES, NUMBERS 1, 2, 5, AND EIGHT, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME.

YES.

UNDER CONSENT, UH, THE CASE IS UNDER CONSENT, THE ZONING CONSENT CASES, NUMBER'S 1 25 AND EIGHT.

IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, HERE, IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THOSE ITEMS OR WE'LL PULL IT OFF, CONSENT AND HEAR IT INDIVIDUALLY.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASES, NUMBERS 1 25 AND EIGHT BEGINNING ON PAGE ONE? YES, SIR.

WHAT, WHAT CASE ARE YOU HERE TO SPEAK ON, SIR? HELLO, ROBERT BLOOM REP.

IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY THIS ONE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

YES.

ONE HERE.

NO, ANOTHER ONE RIGHT HERE.

YES.

YES.

THANK YOU.

FIRST TIME.

NO WORRIES.

HELLO, MY NAME'S ROBERT BLOOM.

I'M REPRESENTING I 20 AND LAWSON HOLDINGS ON A PROPOSED PUBLIC STORAGE UNIT.

WHICH CASE IS THAT ONE? THAT'S, THAT'S CASE EIGHT.

EIGHT, OKAY.

DID THAT ONE IS, IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

WE'LL BE DISPOSED OF WITH THE OTHER CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE HEARD AND WE'LL, WE'LL PULL IT OFF.

NOTHING TO SAY OTHER THAN THAT.

IT'S USUALLY BETTER TO LEAVE IT ON .

JUST A LITTLE HINT.

YEAH.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE, UH, FOUR CASES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

1, 2, 5, AND EIGHT.

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OKAY, WE'LL JUST READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD.

THANK YOU, MS. DR.

RIDDER.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR.

UM, SORRY.

ZONING CASE? NO.

UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE Z TWO AND 2 3 51.

AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TWO AND RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1850 FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.

3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY WITHIN SUB AREA FOUR FOUR OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 3 366, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF ELAM ROAD AND SOUTH BUCKNER BOULEVARD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN APPRO, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.

ITEM NUMBER TWO Z 2 23 1 18.

AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 2316 FOR THE SALES OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.

3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTY ZONED RR RE RE REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AT THE NORTHEAST LINE OF EAST LEDBETTER DRIVE, EAST OF SOUTH R THORNTON FREEWAY.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL TWO-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE.

PERMIT NUMBER 2377 FOR COMMERCIAL, FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON PROPERTIES ZONE THAN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DAY, DAILY MILL LANE AND ZODIAC LANE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO REVISED SITE PLAN AND A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THE Z NUMBER FOR THE CASE IS Z 2 23 DASH 1 28.

CASE NUMBER, UH, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, UH, CASE NUMBER Z 2 23 139 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A MINI WAREHOUSE ON PROPERTY ZONE, A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE EAST CORNER OF LAWSON ROAD AND LASSETER ROAD.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A DISCIPL PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

AND I THINK THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR.

RIVER.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE FIVE CASES? FOUR CASES? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SEEING NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION? YES.

MR. CHAIR.

UM, IN THE MATTER, THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF ITEMS 1 25 AND EIGHT, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AS LISTED IN THE DOCKET OR BRIEFED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER RUBEN FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEMS? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AND THE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.

COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE GO TO, UH, CASE NUMBER THREE, UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES? MAY 4TH, 2023 MEETING.

AND I'D JUST LIKE TO, UH, SEND A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO COMMISSIONER YOUNG WHO, UH, ON HIS VACATION DID GO AHEAD AND RE REVIEW THE MINUTES AND SEND A NICE NOTE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

COMMISSIONER YOUNG, CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? COMMISSIONER STANDARD? YES.

UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 4TH, 2023 CITY PLAN COMMISSION HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER STANDARD AND, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

HAVE IT.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WILL, GOING BACK TO CASE NUMBER THREE Z 2 23 1 23, MS. MUNOZ, THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SUBDISTRICT NUMBER ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE NORTH OF ALTA AVENUE.

THAT RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED COMMISSIONS.

CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND READ THE NEXT ONE INTO THE RECORD? MR. MOORE LOCATED DISPOSE OF BOTH OF THESE AT ONCE.

THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.

MR. CHAIR? THANK YOU, SIR.

MS. MUNOS, PLEASE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT.

NUMBER ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD, ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF GREENVILLE AVENUE, NORTH OF ALTA AVENUE.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A

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SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NAME'S ROB BALDWIN.

I WAS AT OFFICE AT 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, META CAPITAL, WHO'S THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, LOWER GREENVILLE.

UH, THESE TWO CASES ARE TIED TOGETHER, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND.

SO WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH THE FIRST CASE IS AMENDMENT TO SUBDISTRICT ONE OF PD UH, 8 42, UM, TO ALLOW FOR WHAT I WOULD CALL A MID HOURS S U P.

SO, UM, PD 8 42 IS LOWER GREENVILLE PD.

UH, AND THAT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LIMITS HOURS OF OPERATION TO MIDNIGHT FOR MOST USES, UNLESS YOU GET AN U IT'LL ALLOW IT TO GO TO 2:00 AM.

UM, IT ALSO HAS A MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON IT AND MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY.

THERE'S ONLY ONE IN THIS CITY AND IT'S A LOWER GREENVILLE.

AND IF A BUILDING STAYS VACANT FOR A YEAR, YOU LOSE ALL YOUR DELTA CREDITS.

SO THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE TWENTIES.

IT HAD NO PARKING WAS BUILT, IT WAS VACANT FOR OVER A YEAR.

IT LOST ITS DELTA CREDIT.

SO WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAS NO ABILITY, WHO HAD NO ABILITY TO, TO BE OCCUPIED BECAUSE IT HAD NO PARKING DOWN IN LOWER GREENVILLE.

THERE IS SOME, UH, COMMERCIAL PARKING LOTS, BUT MOST OF THE PRIVATE PARKING LOTS ARE OWNED BY TWO ENTITIES.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, MY KIND IS NOT ONE OF THOSE TWO ENTITIES.

SO WE WORKED REALLY WELL WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO TO SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS BUILDING HABITABLE? AND WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT, UH, THAT BECAME CODIFIED AS SUBDISTRICT.

ONE SAYING, IF YOU'RE IN A LEGACY BUILDING, WHICH IS A BUILDING BUILT IN THE TWENTIES AND YOU'RE A RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE, A CERTAIN RETAILER, PERSONAL SERVICE USE, WE PROHIBITED RESTAURANTS AND SEVERAL OTHER USES.

AND YOU, YOU DID NOT STAY OPEN PAST SEVEN O'CLOCK.

YOU DID NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE OFF-STREET PARKING.

AND THAT WAS A GREAT DEAL.

AND WE, UH, OPERATED LIKE THAT.

UH, MY CLIENT BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND SHAME ON HIM.

HE DID NOT REALIZE THAT THERE WAS A SEVEN O'CLOCK THAT HE COULDN'T STAY OPEN UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK.

ONE OF HIS CLIENTS ASKED IF THERE WAS A WAY TO, UM, TO EXTEND IT.

AND I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A A, A PRETTY GOOD WAY OF DOING IT IS ALLOWING FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR MID HOURS, SO TO OPERATE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10 O'CLOCK.

BUT ANYBODY WANTED TO DO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE PLAN COMMISSION AND SEEK PERMISSION AND WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS TO SEE IF IT WAS A A, A USED THAT FIT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE SECOND CASE, 1 24 COMES IN.

THAT IS A CASE FOR, UH, A RETAIL PLACE THAT SERVES BOBBA.

T WANTS TO COME IN AND, AND STAY OPEN UNTIL TILL 10 O'CLOCK.

SO THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS, OR THIS AFTERNOON, IS WE ARE SEEKING FOR THIS FIRST CASE, THE ABILITY TO AMEND SUBDISTRICT ONE OF PD 8 42 TO ALLOW FOR THESE MID HOUR, UH, UH, S U UH, AND IF THAT IS APPROVED, THEN WE NEED, WE'RE ASKING FOR 1 24 TO COME THROUGH AND, AND SEE IF THAT S U SGP IS WARRANTED.

IF THE FIRST CASE GETS DENIED, THEN THE SECOND CASE IS NOT NEEDED.

SO, UH, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATED.

IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IN DALLAS THAT I KNOW OF IN LOWER GREENVILLE.

IT HAS ALL THESE OVERLAYING, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICTS AND SUB-DISTRICTS.

AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

PLEASE STAND BY.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, PLEASE.

HI.

THANK YOU.

MR. BALDWIN, COULD YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN, THIS MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY? SURE.

THE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY WAS A TOOL, AND I WANNA, I'M SURE THERE'S COMMISSIONERS ON THE, ON THE BOARD THAT KNOWS A LOT MORE THAN I'LL EVER KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT IT WAS A TOOL PUT IN, IN THE, IN THE EIGHTIES, I BELIEVE IT WAS, OR EARLY NINETIES, TO KIND OF CONTROL, UH, B BACK, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN DALLAS, BUT LOWER GREENVILLE USED TO BE PROBLEMATIC WITH A LOT OF BARS AND, UH, BADGE USES.

AND, UH, UH, THE MODIFIED DELTA WAS ESTABLISHED TO TRY TO CONTROL THAT BY, UM, CONTROLLING THE PARKING.

UM, IT'S THE ONLY MODIFIED DELTA ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, AND IT BASICALLY GOES FROM BELMONT DOWN TO, UM, JUST SOUTH OF ROSS.

OKAY.

UM, AND, AND THEN HOW DID IT IMPACT THIS PARTICULAR SITE? OUR SITE WAS, UH, UNOCCUPIED FOR A YEAR, MORE THAN A YEAR OR SO.

IT LOST ITS DELTA CREDIT, SO IT HAD NO PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO THE DELTA CREDITS WOULD'VE GIVEN YOU ACCESS TO PARKING WHERE THE DELTA CREDITS ARE, UH, CREDITS FOR PARKING.

THAT DOESN'T REALLY EXIST.

IT'S PHANTOM PARKING.

IT'S PHANTOM PARKING.

BUT YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN, SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET EDUCATED.

SO YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN CREDITS CREDIT, LIKE FOR PURPOSES OF ZONING THAT YOU HAD PARKING AVAILABLE? YEAH, SO DELTA CREDITS

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ARE, OH, WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY AND THEIR ZONING CODE TO ALLOW BUILDINGS THAT WERE BUILT BEFORE THE CITY REQUIRED OFF-STREET PARKING TO, TO BE OCCUPIED AND IN EVERYWHERE ELSE.

BUT WHERE WITHIN A, EXCEPT FOR WHERE THERE'S A MODIFIED DELTA CREDIT, YOU DO NOT LOSE YOUR DELTA CREDITS UNLESS YOU COME AROUND AND PROVIDE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PARKING SPACES.

SO DELTA CREDITS ARE JUST CREDITS.

SO YOU CAN OCCUPY A BUILDING, IT, IT JUST SAY, WE'RE ASSUMING YOU HAVE PARKING, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW YOU DON'T.

SO THIS BUILDING ORIGINALLY HAD PARKING CREDITS FOR RETAIL USE, BUT THEY EXPIRED.

SO THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND NO DELTA CREDITS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

SO THE ONLY WAY WE WERE ABLE TO OCCUPY THE SPACE IS TO GO THROUGH AND WORK WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORS AND THE, THE PREVIOUS PLAN COMMISSIONER TO CREATE SUBDISTRICT ONE WITH THESE VERY TIGHT REGULATIONS SAYING, WE KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING, BUT UNDER THESE CIRCUM CIRCUMSTANCES, WE THINK IT'S OKAY BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT PUT A BURDEN ON THE PARKING SYSTEM IN LOWER GREENVILLE.

OKAY, VERY HELPFUL.

ONE LAST QUESTION.

YES.

WHAT IS CURRENTLY OCCUPYING THIS SITE? WE HAVE THE BOBAT TEA PLACE THAT TAKES ABOUT, UH, 1200 SQUARE FEET.

WE HAVE A, A YOGA STUDIO AND A SUGARING STUDIO, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HAIR REMOVAL.

SO TWO PERSONAL SERVICE USES AND A RETAIL USE.

AND ARE YOU AWARE IF ALL THREE HAVE CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR THOSE SPECIFIC USES? I BELIEVE THEY DO, YES.

DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING? I DON'T KNOW.

UM, I THINK WE HAVE INFORMATION TO THE CONTRARY.

I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION TO STAFF OR SOMEONE ELSE NOW.

WELL, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CO THEN THEY SHOULDN'T BE OPERATING.

THANK YOU.

WELL, I JUST TO LAY, I THINK WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL THAT MADE THE CLAIM THAT THERE MIGHT NOT BE A CO FOR ONE OF THE USES.

SO IT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW.

OKAY.

UH, IF I WOULD'VE KNOWN ABOUT THIS, I WOULD, I WOULD'VE COME HERE PREPARED.

NO PROBLEM.

UH, JUST ONE QUICK NOTE.

MR. CARLEY, CAN YOU HEAR WHEN MR. BALDWIN IS SPEAKING CLEARLY YOU, YOU FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE CAN HEAR MR. BALDWIN SPEAK.

IT'S OKAY.

THE VOLUME OKAY, WELL, WE WERE OCCASIONALLY FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE CAN'T HEAR THE SPEAKER, SO I'M GLAD THAT THE VOLUME IS UP.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

YEAH.

UH, THANK YOU.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT SUITE THAT'S, THAT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A CO FOR? I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE OKAY.

AT THE EMAIL.

UH, SO MR. BALDWIN, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR, THE, THE SUV PIECE, THE SECOND OF THE COMPANION CASES ONLY FOR ONE OF THE SUITES.

IT'S NOT FOR THE THREE.

ONLY FOR THE, THE RETAIL USE, THE T PLACE.

RIGHT.

AND I KNOW THERE WAS CONCERNS WITH THE NEIGHBORS AT THAT.

UH, THEY HAD PUT TABLES IN, UH, IN THE SUITE.

THEY HAVE A, A, I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR RETAIL USE, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SIT DOWN TO EAT BECAUSE THEN IT BECOMES A RESTAURANT.

AND THERE WAS, UH, HISTORICALLY THEY, UH, HAD TABLES IN THERE.

I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE REMOVED THEM, BUT SOMETIMES THEY COME BACK IN.

SO THAT, THAT, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A, A HISTORY OF CONCERN WITH THE BOBA TEA PLACE IN HAVING, UH, TABLES IN IT.

AND THAT'S WHY WE SEPARATED THESE TWO THINGS OUT.

PERFECT.

UH, QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.

SO THE FIRST ONE PUTS A MECHANISM IN PLACE, THE SECOND ONE IS A, A SPECIFIC REQUEST.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR MR. BALDWIN? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU THEN.

UM, YES, SIR.

SEVEN TO 10? YES.

WHY 10? WHY NOT SEVEN TO NINE? SEVEN TO, IS IS THAT FLEXIBLE? UM, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN TO NINE, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THAT SEEMED TO MAKE THAT, THAT WORKED AS WELL.

BUT, UH, THE OPERATOR, THE LONGER HE CAN STAY OPEN, THE MORE MONEY HE CAN MAKE SURE, OF COURSE, THE MORE TEAM HE COULD SELL.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S THE DECISION OF THE BOARD THAT NINE IS MORE APPROPRIATE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO TO BE WITH NINE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTERS OF Z 2 23? 1, 2, 3.

1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3 AND Z 2 23.

1, 2, 4.

UM, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, I RECOMMEND DENIAL.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

THANK YOU.

UM, I WANNA START WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT GREENVILLE AVENUE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT THE ZONING DOWN THERE, HOW WE GOT IT AND WHAT IT IS.

UM, THE PD 48 42 IS THE OVERLAY FOR GREEN LOWEST GREENVILLE.

AND IT ESSENTIALLY IS THE

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LATE NIGHT S U P OVERLAY.

AND IT HAS STANDARDS FOR WHAT OPERATORS HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO GET SUPPORT BY STAFF AND BY THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR AN U TO STAY OPEN BETWEEN THE HOURS OF MIDNIGHT AND 6:00 AM TYPICALLY THAT IS BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND TWO, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE.

THEN THAT PD HAS THREE SUB-DISTRICTS, SUB-DISTRICT, ONE, TWO, AND THREE.

THOSE SUB-DISTRICTS ARE VARYING IN SIZE, TYPICALLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 3,500 SQUARE FEET ON UP TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

EACH SUBDISTRICT, UM, REPRESENTS EITHER ONE OR UP TO THREE BUILDINGS.

THE BUILDINGS ARE ALL LEGACY BUILDINGS, WHICH MEANS THEY'RE HISTORIC BUILDINGS.

AND THE SUBDISTRICTS WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM THE COMMUNITY STANDPOINT, THEY WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS ALONG GREENVILLE AVENUE AND TO PROMOTE DAYTIME RESI, UM, RETAIL AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE USES.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM ON GREENVILLE ATTRACTING, UH, BAR TAVERN AND RESTAURANT USES, BUT IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN, UM, A HEALTHY AND DYNAMIC MIX OF USES, WE LIKE TO SEE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE AND RETAIL USES ON THE STRIP.

THAT ALSO ALLOWS US TO USE, UM, OUR PARKING DURING THE DAY AND NOT TRY TO HAVE IT ALL USED AT THE SAME TIME NIGHTS, PARTICULARLY AT WEEKENDS, WHICH HAS THE EFFECT OF PUSHING, UM, THAT, THAT OVERFLOW PARKING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND SO WHEN THESE OWNERS OF THESE LEGACY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NO PARKING WHATSOEVER COME TO US, THE COMMUNITY, THE CITY, THE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, AND SAY, HELP US SOLVE OUR PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT DOESN'T HAVE PARKING, THEN, YOU KNOW, THE SOLUTION THAT WAS PUT INTO PLACE WERE THESE SUB-DISTRICTS THAT HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON OURS AND RESTRICTIONS ON USES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO CREATE COMPLIMENTARY, UH, USES TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND TO SUPPORT THE STRIP AND, AND TO HELP CREATE THE TYPE OF VIBRANCY THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE ON GREENVILLE AVENUE.

UM, TOUCHING ON THE ISSUE OF DELTA CREDITS.

DELTA CREDITS ARE IMAGINARY PARKING SPOTS.

AS MR. BALDWIN DESCRIBED.

THEY WERE CREATED, I WANNA SAY IN THE SIXTIES, IN ORDER TO HELP PROMOTE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF OLDER BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE CITY.

THAT, THAT, FRANKLY, MANY OF THEM, LIKE THE BUILDINGS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE, WERE BUILT ALONG RAIL LINES LIKE THE OLD INNER URBAN THAT RAN UP MATILDA, UM, RIGHT BEHIND GREENVILLE AVENUE.

AND SO PEOPLE USED THOSE RAIL LINES TO HOP ON AND HOP OFF AND USE THE IN VISIT THESE OLD BUILDINGS, OR PERHAPS THEY WERE BUILDINGS THAT EXISTED BEFORE CARS AND PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, WALKED TO PLACES, .

AND AS WE BECAME MORE AUTO DEPENDENT AND AS WE RIPPED OUT OUR INNER URBAN LINES AND REPLACED THEM WITH STREETS THAT BECAME MORE CAR CENTRIC USES, YOU KNOW, THESE OLDER BUILDING STRIPS OR THESE OLDER COMMERCIAL AREAS BECAME MORE CAR DEPENDENT.

AND SO GREENVILLE HAS LOTS OF SURFACE PARKING LOTS AROUND IT, BUT NOT EVERY OWNER HAS PARKING.

SO THE DELTA CREDITS WERE PUT INTO PLACE IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES AS GREENVILLE BECAME MORE STABILIZED.

THE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY IS A ZONING, UM, TOOL THAT WAS PASSED BY THE CITY.

IT, THERE ARE THREE OF THEM IN THE CITY.

THEY ARE ALL ALONG GREENVILLE AVENUE.

ONE OF THEM.

THE FIRST MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY DISTRICT IS IN LOWEST GREENVILLE BETWEEN BELMONT AND HENDERSON.

AND, AND IT INCLUDES THIS BUILDING.

AND WHAT IT SAYS IS, IF CERTAIN CONDITIONS EXIST, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR DELTA CREDITS.

AND IN TYPICALLY IT IS A, UH, EITHER YOU STOP USING A BUILDING FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, AND IF YOU ARE REMODELING THE BUILDING OR YOU'VE HAD A CASUALTY LOSS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN IT DOESN'T COUNT.

BUT IF YOU LEAVE IT VACANT FOR TOO LONG AND YOU DON'T USE IT, YOU CAN LOSE YOUR DELTA CREDITS.

OR IF YOU EXPAND OR CHANGE THE USE, YOU CAN USE YOUR DELTA CREDITS.

THAT'S THE TWO MAIN WAYS THAT PEOPLE LOSE THEIR DELTA CREDITS.

AND ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, THE CITY DID A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY OF THE DELTA CREDITS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE TO DETERMINE WHERE, WHICH DELTA CREDITS STILL EXIST

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AND WHAT PROPERTIES ARE THEY ASSIGNED TO AND CREDITED A SPREADSHEET.

AND SO THAT SPREADSHEET IS STILL FLOATING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS CERTAINLY HAVE IT.

UM, AND THEY CAN TELL YOU WHICH BUILDINGS HAVE DELTA CREDITS, WHICH ONES DON'T, AND HOW MANY THEY HAVE.

THIS BUILDING HAS NO DELTA CREDITS FOR THE USES THAT THIS BUILDING WANTS TO OPERATE UNDER THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THE TYPE OF USES, UM, THAT ARE PRESENTLY BEING USED, IT WOULD NEED 33 PARKING SPACES AND IT HAS NONE.

IT COULD, IF IT DIDN'T WANNA HAVE, UM, LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION, LEASE PARKING.

OTHER BUILDINGS ON GREENVILLE AVENUE ALSO HAVE NO DELTA CREDITS AND NO PARKING.

THEY LEASE PARKING.

AND PERHAPS IF YOU LOOKED AT THE REPLY PACKETS, UM, OTHER OPERATORS IN THIS BLOCK OBJECTED TO THIS USE BEING EXTENDED TO 10 O'CLOCK BECAUSE THEY LEASE PARKING AND THEY HAVE TO PAY THE LEASE PARKING SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A LATER NIGHT USE.

AND THEY SAY, WELL, LOOK, IF I HAVE TO LEASE PARKING AND THESE PEOPLE DON'T, THAT'S A, THAT'S NOT FAIR COMMERCIAL.

THAT PUTS THEM AT A COMMERCIAL ADVANTAGE TO ME WHEN I HAVE TO LEASE PARKING.

LIKEWISE, A LOT OF THE OWNERS OF PROPERTY ON GREENVILLE OBJECTED TO THIS, UM, APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY OWN PROPERTY DOWN THERE.

AND OF COURSE THEN THE NEIGHBORS OBJECTED BECAUSE NOT FIVE YEARS AGO, THEY MADE THIS DEAL WITH THE OWNER WHO CAME TO THEM AND SAID, I WOULD LIKE YOUR HELP IN SOLVING THIS PROBLEM.

I HAVE A BUILDING I CAN'T USE.

AND THE NEIGHBORS GOT WITH THE CITY AND THE THEN CITY COUNCIL PERSON AND THE THEN PLAN COMMISSIONER AND CREATED THIS SOLUTION THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, A FEW SHORT YEARS LATER, THEY'RE COMING BACK TO THE TROUGH AND SAYING, WELL, GEE, WE WANT MORE.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS A LONGTIME NEIGHBORHOOD VOLUNTEER, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY VOLUNTEER HOURS AVAILABLE.

AND IF YOU'RE CONSTANTLY COMING BACK TO THE NEIGHBORS AND WANTING TO PUT THEM THROUGH PROCESS AFTER PROCESS, IT WEARS THEM OUT.

IT TAKES THEM AWAY FROM OTHER COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER THINGS THAT ALSO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, LIKE DOING, YOU KNOW, PLANTINGS AT THE SCHOOL OR DOING SOCIAL EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, UM, NOT REALLY RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC USE.

I, I DON'T THINK THAT PEOPLE ON GREENVILLE ARE NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO A TEA PLACE OR A YOGA PLACE.

IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT THE LONG TERM CONSEQUENCES OF AMENDING THIS SUB-DISTRICT.

WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE FA OTHER SUB-DISTRICTS, ONCE YOU AMEND ONE, YOU'LL GET THE APPLICATION FOR ALL OF 'EM.

WHAT IT MEANS FOR THE PARKING AND WHAT IT MEANS FOR GREENVILLE AVENUE IN GENERAL.

LOTS OF PEOPLE SAY TO ME, GOSH, I WISH WE HAD WHAT GREENVILLE HAS GREENVILLE'S DOING SO GREAT NOW.

I WISH WE HAD WHAT GREENVILLE HAS.

AND THEY ACT LIKE IT'S JUST SOME SORT OF MAGIC BEAN STOCK THAT WE GREW.

IT'S NOT FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.

THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON GREENVILLE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AND THE OPERATORS HAVE WORKED VERY HARD AND THE LANDOWNERS HAVE WORKED VERY HARD WITH THE CITY TO CREATE AND MAINTAIN WHAT IS GREENVILLE AVENUE.

AND IT IS A DELICATE BALANCE.

AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU SHIFT TOO HARD IN ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER, BUT THE PARKING IMBALANCE AND THE LATE NIGHT USES IS SOMETHING THAT WE WATCH VERY CAREFULLY, AND WE ARE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE USES COMING ONLINE.

WE HAVE A LOT MORE VACANCIES THAT ARE GETTING FULL.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE NIGHTTIME USES.

THEY'RE MOSTLY RESTAURANTS.

AND SO THAT IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION THAT I LOOKED AT IN LOOKING AT SAYING NO TO ADDITIONAL NIGHTTIME UN PARK USES ON GREENVILLE.

UM, THE LAST THING THAT I LOOKED AT IN THIS APPLICATION IS THAT AT LEAST TWO OF THESE APPLICANTS, THE YOGA STUDIO AND THE TEA PLACE HABITUALLY VIOLATE WHAT'S ALREADY THE CONDITIONS THE YOGA STUDIO ADVERTISES BOTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ON THEIR WEBSITE, UM, CLASSES SEVERAL DAYS A WEEK BEYOND SEVEN O'CLOCK.

AND THE TEA PLACE ADVERTISES BOTH ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND THEIR WEBSITE THAT THEY HAVE DINED IN SERVICE.

THEY HAVE TABLES AND CHAIRS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE.

THEY HAVE SINCE THEY OPENED, I'VE SEEN IT, IT'S ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND IF WE'VE GOT OPERATORS WHO ALREADY DON'T DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THE ZONING THEY HAVE, THE COMMUNITY IS VERY HESITANT TO GIVE THEM MORE LEADWAY.

AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, UM, I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT MY MOTION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD.

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YES.

I HAVE TO ASK THE CHAIR A QUESTION, PLEASE.

UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE COMMISSIONER'S STATEMENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP A QUESTION I HAVE.

AM I ALLOWED TO ASK HER A QUESTION? SURE, WHY NOT? OKAY.

IT WAS, IT WAS A LOT TO TAKE.

OKAY.

SO MUCH INFORMATION, PLEASE.

RIGHT.

UH, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE IS STILL ADDITIONAL LEASE SPACE AVAILABLE AT THOSE? NOT THAT THIS SHOULD BE SOMETHING YOU HAD TO KNOW.

I KNOW NORMALLY I WOULD'VE ASKED THIS TO THE APPLICANT, BUT DO, ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE IS AVAILABLE LEASE PARKING SPACE FOR THESE, FOR THEM, THAT WAS YOUR FIRST ISSUE ABOUT THEY COULD HAVE LEASED THE SPACE? UM, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS NO LEASE SPACE AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR PARKING.

RIGHT.

I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE AVAILABLE LEASE SPACES ON GREENVILLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE SPACES THAT MEET THE PROXIMITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

THANK YOU.

JUST FOR CONTEXT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MOST OF THE PARKING THAT COULD BE LEASED IS CONTROLLED BY TWO ORGANIZATIONS, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, YOU CAN GO OUT AND JUST KNOCK ON, ON, UH, ON A RANDOM BUILDING AND SAY, HEY, CAN I LEASE YOUR PARKING? IT'S NOT THAT WAY AT ALL.

IN FACT, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO FOLKS THAT MORE OR LESS CONTROL ALL OF IT.

AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, ARE THOSE TWO PEOPLE FILLED UP WITH THE LEASING OF PARKING? THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I, MAYBE MR. BALDWIN KNOWS IF THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, HAS REACHED OUT TO, TO OTHER FOLKS TO TRY TO LEASE SPACE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY HAVE AND IT'S NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

THERE'S THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER, STANDARD COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

I JUST WANTED TO NOTE GREENVILLE AVENUE IS A DELICATE BALANCE, AND IT'S BEEN A DELICATE BALANCE, AT LEAST FOR THE 30 YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE, AND I'M SURE MANY FOLKS AROUND THIS HORSESHOE ARE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE EXISTED PREVIOUSLY.

AND THE MOST RECENT UPDATE TO PD 8 42 WAS REALLY A WAY TO TRY TO SET A PATH FORWARD, ENCOURAGE DAYTIME USES, AND PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT CHANGING THE RULES AT THIS POINT WITH AN OPERATOR WHO ISN'T ABIDING BY THE CURRENT STANDARDS, THEY HAVEN'T COME WITH A REQUEST SAYING, HERE'S MY BUSINESS MODEL.

I'M DOING REALLY WELL.

I'M FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES.

I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT DOING THIS, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.

I CAN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT HASN'T DEMONSTRATED A GOOD TRACK RECORD AND THEN IS ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL.

SO I AM AND WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THE MOTION.

EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION FOR, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE MOTION IS FOR STRAIGHT DENIAL.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY.

AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE'VE HAD A STRAIGHT DENIAL IN A LARGE COMPLEX PD.

DOES THE TWO YEAR WAITING PERIOD APPLY TO THE ENTIRETY OF PD 8 42 IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS STRAIGHT DENIAL? OR WOULD IT SIMPLY APPLY TO THE SUBDISTRICT? THAT'S AN ISSUE TODAY.

VICE CHAIR RUBEN, THE TWO YEAR HOLDOUT OR TWO YEAR FREEZE OUT PERIOD, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT.

THE, THE TWO YEAR LIMITATION WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE SUBDISTRICT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, I APPRECIATE THE HISTORY.

I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTANDING THE THOUGHTFULNESS THAT HAS GONE INTO SOME OF THESE PRIOR ZONING DECISIONS.

SO THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE TIME AND EXPLAINING SOME, SOME CONCEPTS I WAS UNAWARE OF.

AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION.

ANY OTHER? YES, COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

UM, COMING FROM A COMMUNITY THAT, UM, TRIES TO FIGHT TO KEEP DELTA CRITICS AND WHEN IT ALL, AND WE HAVE LIMITED POCKET IN A LOT OF OUR, UM, BUILDINGS, IT HAD TO BE SOMETHING OF GREAT CAUSE FOR A COMMUNITY TO GO SAY THAT PUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON DELTA CRITICS.

THAT IS A VERY HARD FRIDGE BECAUSE WE, OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, WE ALL KNOW IS A ISSUE.

AND KNOWING THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS TOOK A STEP FORWARD AND SAY WE WE'RE WILLING TO LET THOSE DELTA CRITICS BE ABSORBED IF THE BUILDING IS NOT RENTED WITHIN A YEAR, SAYS, SPEAKS TO, UM,

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WHATEVER ISSUES THAT ARE, UH, BEFORE.

AND I DEFINITELY WILL SUPPORT YOU ON THIS ONE.

UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THE CONTEXT AND THE HISTORY OF, OF KIND OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE GOT TO ON, UH, ON, UH, LOWER GREENVILLE.

I I DID NOTE, UM, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S REMARK ABOUT KEEPING A HEALTHY MIX OF USES, WHICH I WOULD WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH.

AND, AND HERE HERE'S A USE THAT'S NOT A BAR, NOT A TAVERN, NOT A RESTAURANT.

AND AS WE ON, UH, THIS COMMISSION ON ZAC KIND OF DIG INTO PARKING HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THE PARKING SITUATION ON, ON LOWER GREEN VOLT JUST TO KEEP, KEEP IT HEALTHY AND TO BE ABLE TO, UH, EVOLVE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION EVOLUTION THAT'S GOING ON, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR CITY.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I I I SEE ABSOLUTELY WHY WE, WE WILL DENY THIS TODAY.

AND I IS AGAIN, I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT, UM, I'M JUST NOT SURE THIS REGIME AND THIS PHILOSOPHY IS GONNA SERVE US WELL INDEFINITELY.

SO INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO COME.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DID YOU MENTION BOTH OF THE CASES IN YOUR MOTION? YOU DID.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION IN CASE NUMBER THREE AND FOUR MAY BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

FOLLOW BY, UH, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER DENY THE APPLICATION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

NUMBER FIVE.

UH, NUMBER FIVE, EXCUSE ME.

NUMBER SIX, CASE NUMBER SIX IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC NEWS PERMIT FOR EILEEN HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE FOOD SERVICE USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 WITH AN MD, ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GREENVILLE AVENUE IN ORM STREET.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNOS.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS CASE NUMBER SIX Z 2 23 1 29.

COMMISSIONER'S.

QUESTIONS FOR MS. MUNOS ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO WITH REGARD TO MATTER Z 2 23 1 29, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, KEEP THE PUBLIC MATTER A PUBLIC REC HEARING, HEARING OPEN, AND HOLD THIS UNTIL JULY 6TH.

THANK YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BLAKE FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

SAVAGE NUMBER SEVEN, PLEASE.

MS. MUNOS, CAN YOU READ NUMBER SEVEN IN PLEASE? PARDON? NUMBER SEVEN IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF PACIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1903 FOR A LATE HOURS ESTABLISHMENT LIMITED RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVING OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

DISTRICT NUMBER 8 42 FOR CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT USES WITH AN MD ONE MODIFIED DELTA OVERLAY AT THE NORTHLINE OF AVENUE WEST OF GREENVILLE AVENUE.

STATE.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MUNOS.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23? 1 39? I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS ONE UNTIL JULY 6TH AS WELL.

COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION ABOUT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

SECOND ABOUT COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY 6TH.

ANY DISCUSSION? I'VE READ THE WRONG NUMBER.

YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU READ THE WRONG NUMBER? I DID.

OH, I DIDN'T CATCH IT.

Z 2 23.

1 35.

YEAH, I SAID 1 39, SORRY.

OKAY, WE GOT IT.

Z 2 23 135.

MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BLA BLAIR TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISE MR. JULY 6TH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

THE OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLE.

AND NOW KEEP MOVING TO CASE NUMBER NINE.

IS THE FIRST CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT ON PAGE FOUR.

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MS. MUNO, RESPECT TO YOU, YOU HAVE THE HOT SEAT TODAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, CASE NUMBER NINE IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF JURY DRIVE IN SOUTH COLD STREET.

STAFF.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A PERMANENT TIME PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNO.

I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, CARL CROWLEY, UH, 2201 MAIN STREET.

I WONDER IF FIRST IKE, AND I KNOW IT'S PART OF MY THREE MINUTES, I'M GONNA TALK FAST.

UH, THE, UH, PRINCIPAL FROM THE SCHOOL COULD NOT BE HERE, BUT SHE'D LIKE ME TO ACTUALLY TELL YOU ABOUT ADELE TURNER.

ADELE TURNER HAS CONTINUED TO BE A SYMBOL OF PRIDE FOR THE SOUTH OAK CLIFF COMMUNITY.

WITH THE RICH TRADITION OF STAFF, COMMUNITY, AND PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT.

THE SCHOOL EMBODIES ITS MOTTO, WORKING TOGETHER FOR SUCCESS.

A PRIME EXAMPLE INVOLVEMENT IS ILLUSTRATED BY OUR DAD'S CLUB, WHICH IS KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA FOR PROVIDING EXCELLENT MENTORING AND TUTORING SERVICES FOR OUR STUDENTS.

IN 2021, TURNER WAS ADOPTED BY THE DALLAS MAVERICKS AND THE OLD CLIFF BIBLE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH.

THE DELL TURNER EXPECTATIONS ARE HIGH AND THE CONSTANT EFFORT TO OUR ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE SHOWS AN ALL WE DO.

UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE NUMEROUS ACTIVITIES FOR OUR SCHOLARS, CHESS CLUB ORCHESTRA, CHEERLEADERS, BASKETBALL TEAMS, ACADEMIC CLUBS, PRE-K, SPELLING B, DEBATE TEAM, SPEECH CLUB, AND TALENTED GIFTED CLUB.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WE ARE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WHERE THE TRADITIONS CONTINUE BECAUSE OUR ROOTS ARE DEEP.

UM, A T E ADEL TURNER ELEMENTARY, UH, IS THE BEST PLACE TO BE IN THE DALLAS.

IS D A LITTLE PROMO FROM THE PRINCIPAL.

I'M GLAD YOU KNOW.

HEY, SHE'S PROUD OF HER SCHOOL AND, AND WE AS A DISTRICT ARE WHAT'S BEFORE YOU IS A, IS A VERY SMALL ADDITION TO THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL.

UH, AS JENNIFER IN THE BRIEFING SAID IT'S ADMIN, BUT PROBABLY JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, IT'S ALSO SECURE VESTIBULE THAT WE'RE ADDING TO MOST OF THE SCHOOLS.

WE WISH WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, BUT WE DO.

UH, OTHERWISE, PRETTY MUCH THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND EVERYTHING IS STAYING.

THIS WAS DELAYED.

SO WE'D GO TO THE BOARD TO GET THAT SIX FOOT VARIANCE BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T, WE'D SPREAD THE BUILDING OUT.

AND THEN THERE'S TWO TREES THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY, TWO VERY LARGE TREES THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY FOR DAMAGE.

AND, AND THE BOARD, UM, YOU MAY KNOW THE BOARD HEARING DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST MONTH OR MAYBE TWO MONTHS AGO BECAUSE OF ELECTRONICS PRE HACK, BUT STILL ELECTRONIC ISSUES.

WE HAD IT ON MONDAY AND IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY.

SO WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR SUPPORT OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR MR. CROWLEY.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'M SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER HARBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.

UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER HARBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 10.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT HAVE A CONFLICT ON THIS ITEM AND ARE STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ITEM NUMBER 10 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN FW M U FIVE WALKABLE URBAN MIXED USE FORM SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT AND AN N C E NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL ENHANCED SUBDISTRICT WITHIN GLEN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF SECOND STREET BETWEEN GARDEN AVENUE AND VAN DRIVE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. MUNOS.

I SEAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

HI, MY NAME IS JOHN COX AND I'M AT, UH, 79 0 3 AMHERST AVENUE HERE IN DALLAS.

AND I AM THE EXECUTIVE PASTOR OF WATERMARK COMMUNITY CHURCH AND WATERMARK COMMUNITY CHURCH ACQUIRED, UM, A SCHOOL, THE PEARL C ANDERSON SCHOOL.

AND, UM, WE'VE STARTED A CHURCH THERE.

WE'VE GOT A MOBILE HEALTH CLINIC, UM, OUT IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND, UM, WE ARE COMING TO GET A ZONING CHANGE, UM, BECAUSE WE WANT TO BETTER SERVE THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY, WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THE LOCAL NEEDS ARE, AND THEY'VE REALLY IDENTIFIED FOUR THINGS, AND THAT'S YOUTH, JOBS, HEALTH.

AND THEN, UM, THE LAST ONE, UH, JUST HAS TO DO WITH, UH, DIFFERENT KINDS OF WAYS THAT WE CAN BETTER SERVE, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

AND SO, UH, WE ARE STRUCTURING A PLAN TO BETTER PROVIDE FOR THOSE THINGS.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING IS WE HAVE A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION THAT'S FOCUSED ON JOB CREATION AND FINANCIAL LITERACY.

AND SO, UM, IN THE JOB CREATION DEPARTMENT,

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WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, 40 DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, LOCAL BUSINESSES, UM, TO HELP PROVIDE JOBS.

AND THEN ON THE FINANCIAL LITERACY, WE OFFER CLASSES WHERE WE HAVE, UM, FINANCIAL SAVINGS, UM, MATCHING SO THAT TO HELP INCENT FINANCIAL SAVING DOWN IN THAT AREA.

BUT, UH, THE REASON FOR OUR CUSTOMER, A ZONING CHANGE IS, UH, THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE MORE USES.

UM, WE'VE MET WITH A COMMUNITY WE'VE MET, UM, AND JUST WALK THROUGH VERY SPECIFICALLY THE ZONING CHANGES AND, UH, WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.

AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PARTNER WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

YEAH.

UH, NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

CARL CARLEY, 22 ON MAIN STREET.

I'M GONNA TALK SLOW AND TAKE MY THREE MINUTES.

ACTUALLY, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ARE PARKING AS WE SPEAK, SO THEY'RE GETTING HERE AS FAST AS THEY CAN.

THE CONSENT AGENDA ACTUALLY WENT PRETTY QUICK TODAY.

, UM, WHY WE'RE HERE FOR ZONING.

UH, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT HERE FOR OUR CHURCH.

THE CHURCHES ALLOWED PRETTY MUCH, ACTUALLY.

THERE ARE A COUPLE PDS I THINK THAT DON'T ALLOW CHURCHES, BUT OTHERWISE CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE.

WHAT WE, AS, AS JOHN MENTIONED, WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS THOSE OTHER SERVICES WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS, UH, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL, I'LL GUESS TO SAY 10.

WE'VE PROBABLY HAD FIVE LARGE COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH NOTIFICATION GIVEN TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN, UH, ONGOING MEETINGS, INCLUDING THIS.

LAST MONDAY WE HAD AN ADVISORY MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY, A SMALL WORKING GROUP.

SO, UM, WHAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO THE STAFF AND SENT TO Y'ALL IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS IS A SET OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT BASICALLY PROHIBITS THE USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THAT WALKABLE MIXED USE DISTRICT, WHICH IS A DISTRICT WE SORT OF EVOLVE FROM AS Y'ALL PROBABLY WHERE WE STARTED WITH THE PD THAT JUST SOLICITED TO THE USES WE WANTED.

UM, AND THEN WE EVOLVED INTO NOW A STRAIGHT ZONING DISTRICT TO ELIMINATE THE USES THAT WE PROHIBITED.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

UM, IT WERE EITHER ONE, EITHER WAY IS IT IS GETS TO THE SAME POINT.

UM, THE, THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS THIS MORNING IN THE BRIEFING I WAS LISTENING TO ABOUT, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL USES.

I'M NOT GONNA SPEND MY TIME.

I BETCHA THERE'LL BE SOME QUESTIONS AND I CAN EXPLAIN THAT THEN.

BUT, UM, WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS PROVIDE THOSE ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT IN AN R FIVE DISTRICT IN A NORMAL CHURCH SETTING AREN'T ALLOWED.

UM, SOME OF Y'ALL HAVE BEEN OUT TO THAT BUILDING.

IT'S, IT'S A MAGNIFICENT SCHOOL THAT IS A, A, A MEMORIAL OF SORTS, UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY A, A DEDICATION TO PEARL C ANDERSON, WHO, UM, AT ONE POINT WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDING MEMBERS THAT REALLY STARTED OFF WHAT HAS EVOLVED INTO THE COMMUNITY'S FOUNDATION OF, OF TEXAS.

SHE WAS A VERY LARGE DONOR OF LAND AND MONEY TO THAT WHEN IT STARTED OFF IN THE FIFTIES AND EARLY SIXTIES.

AND THE DISTRICT PROUDLY NAMED A SCHOOL AFTER HER AND WAS A SCHOOL UNTIL AROUND THE 2008 TO 10 TIMEFRAME.

UM, AND, AND NOW HAS IT EVOLVED INTO, UM, WATERMARK CHURCHES THERE AND PROVIDING SERVICES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE'D JUST LIKE TO EXPAND THOSE SERVICES TO PROVIDE MORE THANKS TO THEM AND MORE OF A BRICK AND MORTAR SETTING.

SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY ZONING QUESTIONS AND MAYBE THEY'RE FILING IT.

THEY'RE, THAT'S THEIR PEOPLE.

I TALKED JUST ABOUT THE RIDER, THIS PERFECT TIMING.

COME ON DOWN, CARSON, DON'T, YOU'RE ON, THROW THE BAG DOWN AND GET STARTED FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE MICROPHONE.

YOU HAVE TIME TO GET YOUR NOTES OUT IF YOU MEAN .

NO, YOU'RE FINE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU CHAIR TIMEWISE.

WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

ALL RIGHT.

MY NAME'S CARSON SMITH.

MY ADDRESS IS 1 0 6 0 9 LAKE MEER, L A K E M E R E, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 38.

AND MY, UH, ROLE IS WATERMARK CDC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

THE CDC IS THE WATERMARK COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, UH, THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

THE PROPERTY THAT IS A DISCUSSION TODAY, UH, WAS PURCHASED IN WINTER OF 2019 AND COVID HIT JUST A FEW MONTHS LATER.

UH, SO OUR FIRST STEP, ONCE COVID, UH, ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN THE CRISIS POINT OF THE COMMUNITY.

UH, WE WANTED TO OPERATE A FOOD DISTRIBUTION TO SIMPLY MEET CRISIS POINT NEEDS FOR OUR NEIGHBORS HERE IN SOUTH DALLAS.

UH, OLD PEARL C ANDERSON, NOW WATERMARK, SOUTH DALLAS.

SO OUR FIRST STEP WAS TO CONDUCT THAT FOOD DISTRIBUTION FOR A YEAR.

WE MET EVERY WEEK, UH, FOR 325 FAMILIES ON A WEEKLY BASIS.

AND THE GOAL WAS JUST TO ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS, LEARN A LOT, HEAR THE STORIES, UNDERSTAND UH, WHO'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, WHO TAUGHT BAND AT THE SCHOOL, AND ANYTHING IN BETWEEN.

AND, UH, THE GOAL WAS TO REALLY JUST HEAR THE, TRULY HEAR THE NEIGHBORS VOICES, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WERE GOING THROUGH, THEIR HARDSHIPS, THEIR STORIES.

AND, UH, AS A RESULT, WE LAUNCHED THREE INITIATIVES.

FIRST ONE WAS FINANCIAL EDUCATION AND MATCH SAVINGS.

IT'S THE LARGEST MATCH SAVINGS, UH, PROGRAM OF

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ITS KIND THAT WE KNOW OF IN THE COUNTRY.

AND WE HAVE 87 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN A MATCH SAVINGS PROGRAM, PURCHASING CARS, HOUSES, EDUCATION, AND BUSINESS ASSETS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

UH, SECOND WE LAUNCHED A JOB PLACEMENT, UH, INITIATIVE PAIRED ALONG WITH CAREER TRAINING WORKSHOPS.

AND TO DATE, WE HAVE PLACED 97 JOBS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN THE FAMILY, IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UH, THEY'RE ENGAGING IN CAREER TRAINING WORKSHOPS ON EVERY OTHER WEEK BASIS.

AND THEN THIRD, UH, SUPPORT FOR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS.

UH, AS WE, UH, MANY OF US PROBABLY KNOW IN THE, IN THE ROOM.

UH, THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS SPECIFICALLY, THE TWO ZIP CODES AROUND SOUTH DALLAS ARE THE MOST UNDERSERVED ENTREPRENEURS AND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN OUR WHOLE CITY.

AND OUR GOAL WAS TO SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESS OWNERS ACCELERATE THE GROWTH OF THEIR BUSINESS AND PROVIDE, UH, TANGIBLE RESOURCES THEY CAN ENGAGE IN TO HELP, UH, PROPEL THEIR BUSINESS FORWARD.

SO OVER THE LAST 18 MONTHS IN THIS PROCESS, WE'VE HOSTED A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, OR A MEDIUM SIZED GATHERING EVERY SIX WEEKS FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS.

AND THE GOAL IS TO LISTEN A LOT, HEAR FEEDBACK, AND APPLY THAT FEEDBACK.

WE'VE ALSO, IN ADDITION, HAVE MET WITH 75 INDIVIDUAL SOUTH DALLAS ORGANIZATIONS, UH, TO LEARN, SIT, LISTEN, BUILD RELATIONSHIPS, AND EXPLORE COLLABORATIONS OR PARTNERSHIPS.

THERE'S A LOTS OF GREAT PEOPLE IN SOUTH DALLAS THAT ARE ALREADY DOING A LOT OF GREAT WORK AND HAVE BEEN DOING SO FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

THAT INCLUDES, UH, HISTORIAN KEN SMITH, PASTOR CHRIS SIMMONS, AND MANY LOCAL PASTORS NONPROFIT HEROES THAT WILL GO UNNAMED AND NEVER BE KNOWN BY MANY PEOPLE ACROSS OUR CITY.

AND MISS EPI MEADOWS ROSE GARDEN HOA PRESIDENT.

SO IN CLOSING, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE SPOKEN AND EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO MEET FOOD, HEALTH JOBS AND YOUTH NEEDS, AND WE CANNOT MEET THEIR NEEDS WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE.

SO WE LOOK FORWARD, UH, TO BEING HERE TODAY, HONORED TO STAND HERE WITH YOU AS WE LOVED OUR, OUR CITY, AND EMPOWER OUR SOUTH DALLAS NEIGHBORS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

UH, MR. MICHAEL SPEED.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO STEP UP TO THE THANK YOU.

HOW LONG? I GOT GOOD AFTERNOON.

IN THREE MINUTES, SIR.

THREE MINUTES? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL SNEED.

I'M HERE TO SUPPORT WATERMARK AND I'M HOPING THAT Y'ALL WILL SUPPORT ME.

UH, I'M A NA I'VE BEEN LIVING IN THAT AREA A BLOCK AWAY FOR 66 YEARS.

I WENT TO PEARL AND I STAY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DIDN'T WANT WATERMARK THERE.

BUT AFTER I FINALLY WENT OVER TO WATERMARK AND SAW THE GREAT THINGS THAT THEY WAS DOING AND SAW THAT HOW THEY WAS ATTRACTING KIDS IN AND SAW THE FOOTBALL AND MADE ME FEEL THAT I WAS BACK AT SCHOOL, I WAS JUST PARK AND WATCH THESE KIDS JUST GO TO THE FOOTBALL FIELD, RIDE UP IN TRUCKS AND STUFF.

AND SO WATERMARK HAS DONE A LOT, HAS DONE MORE FOR SOUTH DALLAS, THAT AREA IN 25 YEARS.

SO I, I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL TO SUPPORT ME TO SUPPORT THEM.

UH, WATERMARK HAS DONE A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.

THEY HAVE FED SOME FED.

WE'VE, I'VE GOT IN FRONT FED THE HOMELESS.

I FED THE HOMELESS, GAVE OUT CLOTHES TO THE HOMELESS.

ME, MYSELF, I WENT TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS ON MY SCHOOL ASKING FOR SUPPORT FOR UCK TO GET RESOLVED.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE YOUR TIME.

I JUST WISH Y Y'ALL WOULD SUPPORT ME AND TELL YOU THAT WATERMARK IS DOING A GREAT JOB IN MY COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, SIR.

THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.

UH, MY NAME IS SHANITA CLEVELAND AND I'M A SOUTH DALLAS RESIDENT, QUEEN CITY, VERY PROUD.

AND NOT ONLY ARE WE SUPPOSED TO HAVE FAITH, BUT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A WITNESS.

AND I'M A WITNESS OF WATERMARK SOUTH DALLAS.

GREAT WORKS IN THE COMMUNITY.

I GO TO THE BIBLE STUDY, THE WOMEN'S BIBLE STUDY UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MS. DON AND LEILANI.

AND I'VE ATTENDED SOME CHURCH SERVICES.

ONE THING THAT SHOCKED ME IS THEY DIDN'T EVEN ASK FOR AN OFFERING.

WE KNOW THAT THE 10TH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MANY CHURCHES.

SO THAT LETS ME KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MONEY TO WATERMARK SOUTH DALLAS.

I'M A WITNESS TO THE GREAT WORKS OF THE BUSINESS COHORT OF THE KIDS.

I'VE BEEN OUT ON THE FIELD PERSONALLY TALKING TO A LOT OF THE PARENTS AND THOSE THAT ARE OVER THE FOOTBALL CAMPS AND THEY LOVE IT.

THEY DON'T EVEN GET CHARGED TO BE OUT THERE.

AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT THIS COMMISSION GOES WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND IMPROVES THE REZONING BECAUSE WE NEED IT.

WE NEED THIS TYPE OF MIXED USE

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DEVELOPMENT SO THAT WE CAN GO IN AND GET FREE TO LOW COST HEALTHCARE.

I MEAN, I HAVE NO HEALTHCARE.

SO WATERMARK, SOUTH DALLAS IS A SAVIOR AND I TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE THEIR HONESTY AND THE WORK AND THE COLLABORATION OF MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

MANY, I'M ONE OF THEM.

AND I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN, UM, A WITNESS TO OTHERS.

SO WE'RE ASKING MYSELF, MICHAEL, FOR YOUR APPROVAL.

THIS IS EASY PEASY, TRUST ME.

AND WE ARE WITNESSES, SO IF YOU APPROVE IT AND THEY DON'T DO THE THINGS THAT THEY SAY, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE TO LET YOU KNOW.

BUT I'M VERY, VERY CONFIDENT THAT I WON'T BE BACK ONLY FOR POSITIVITY.

ALL RIGHT? PLEASE APPROVE WATERMARK AND WE TRULY, TRULY APPRECIATE Y'ALL SUPPORT.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

SURE.

TONY.

WE HAVE COACH JAMES.

OKAY.

IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE HERE, THEN WE, WE'LL GO TO OUR FOLKS ONLINE.

ANYWHERE ELSE HERE, I'D LIKE TO BE HEARD.

THAT'S IT.

OKAY.

WE'LL GO TO OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE.

BEGIN WITH, UH, IS IT MR. SPINDLE? YOU'RE MUTED, SIR.

YOU MIGHT WANNA UNCHECK THE MUTE.

NO, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU, SIR.

CAN YOU UNMUTE HIM? MIKE? NO.

.

YOU CAN READ LIPS.

AWESOME.

.

SIR, WE WE COULD, WE CAN SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TOGGLE YOUR, YOUR MIC ON AND OFF A COUPLE OF TIMES.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU SIR.

MR. CROWLEY, YOU HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER.

YOU CAN JUST CALL HIM AND PUT YOUR PHONE ON THE MIC IF YOU LIKE.

OKAY.

WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU, SIR, WHILE YOU, YOU, UH, WORK WITH THAT, UH, EPI MEADOWS? YES, MS. MEADOWS, DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON? YES.

YOU CAN'T SEE ME? CAN YOU SEE HER? MS. KING? I CAN'T SEE HER.

NO MA'AM.

WE CANNOT SEE YOU AND OKAY.

WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU.

IS UH, KEY JOHNSON ONLINE? MR. SPINK? THERE WE GET YOUR, YOUR MIC MARK IN.

WE CANNOT HEAR YOU, SIR.

NO, I CAN SEE YOU'RE TRYING TO TALK.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU MR. SMITH.

DO YOU HAVE HIS, YOU WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO HAVE HIS MOBILE NUMBER, WOULD YOU? I DON'T PERSONALLY HAVE IT.

I'M WAITING ON THE TEXT MESSAGE.

OKAY.

YEAH, IF YOU CAN, UH, MR. SPINK MAYBE TEXT SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW IS HERE AND THEY CAN JUST, UH, WE HAVE A LITTLE WORK AROUND THE PICTURE, YOU CAN JUST CALL THEM AND, AND WHILE YOU DO THAT, MS. MEADOWS, WE STILL CAN'T HEAR YOU, MA'AM.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

WE CAN'T SEE YOU.

I WANT TOGGLE THAT THE, YOUR, THE CAMERA ON AND OFF A COUPLE OF TIMES.

OKAY.

SOMEONE IS CALLING YOU RIGHT NOW.

MR. SPINK, IF YOU WANNA, DO WE HAVE THEM?

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THAT'S ALRIGHT.

YEAH, I GOT YOU RIGHT HERE.

SURE.

TONY, IS HE OKAY TO YEAH, HE JUST PUT ON SPEAKER PLEASE AND WE'LL, WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

MR. SPINER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES SIR.

COACH, YOU'RE ON? OKAY.

I'M FINE GUYS.

COMPUTER.

HEY GUYS, I'M, I'M JAMES FOOTBALL COACH OVER AT LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL AND, UH, UH, HAS BEEN A MAJOR BLESSING.

I DIDN'T ABOUT THOSE GUYS, I HAD A CHANCE.

HEY, COACH ELIGIBLE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? COACH, WILL YOU MUTE YOUR ZOOM? OKAY.

OKAY.

IS THAT BETTER? THAT BETTER TURN OFF THE SPEAKER ON HIS MONITOR? YEAH.

WILL YOU ALSO MUTE THE SPEAKER ON YOUR MONITOR? OKAY.

IS THAT GOOD? YES.

OKAY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

KEN, I'M JAMES FOOTBALL COACH, UM, AND ASSISTANT ASSOCIATE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH OVER HERE, LINCOLN HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, WATERMARK HAS BEEN A MAJOR BLESSING TO US.

UM, WITHOUT THOSE GUYS, I, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A, A SEASON BECAUSE PHYSICALS ARE SOMETHING MAJOR THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, TO GET YOUR KIDS ELIGIBLE TO PARTICIPATE FOR THE HEALTH.

AND THEY WERE JUST SO OPEN TO US AND THAT WE COULD BRING OUR KIDS OVER.

CAUSE YOU KNOW, ISSUES WITH OUR KIDS IS ONE, WE CAN'T GIVE 'EM TO THE PLACES.

AND TWO IS A MONEY ISSUE AND WATERMARK IS SO CONVENIENT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.

AND THEN ALSO TWO WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THEM OFFERING OUR KIDS FREE PHYSICALS.

IT, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS AWESOME.

AND SO, UH, GUYS, I I TELL YOU, I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN WE, WHEN THEY, WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND THEY, AND THEY TOLD US THAT THEY'LL TAKE US IN, IT, IT, IT WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS THAT HAPPENED.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ATHLETICS AND SOUTH DALLAS IS A HUGE, HUGE THING.

AND, AND THEN, AND AGAIN, I LIKE, I FELL MR. ANTHONY AND HIS, HIS BUNCH OVER THERE THAT WITHOUT THEM WE, WE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO BAILEY DO WHAT WE DO THIS PAST YEAR, WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIGGER NUMBERS IN D I D AS IN, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATION FOR ATHLETICS.

SO I, AGAIN, I WANT TO TELL YOU THANK YOU FOR THOSE GUYS AND, AND, AND THERE'S MUCH LOVE FROM THE LINCOLN FAMILY TO THOSE GUYS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

UH, MR. SMITH, I THINK MS. MEADOWS WAS TRYING TO MESSAGE SOMEONE TO CALL HER.

IS IT OKAY IF WE CALL HER AND DO THE SAME OR WOULD YOU WELL, IT DOES, IT, I, I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE WANTS SOMEONE TO CALL HER, BUT WE, WE STILL HAVE TO SEE HER, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT SHE OH YEAH.

SHE TEXT ME AND SAID, CAN YOU CALL ME AND PUT ME ON, I CAN'T GET MY COMPUTER CAMERA UP TO WORK.

YEAH, NO, IT WON'T WORK.

YEAH.

UM, WE UNFORTUNATELY, MS. MEADOWS, WE CAN'T HEAR FROM YOU UNLESS WE SEE YOU.

IT'S A STATE LAW.

UH, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO SEE HER.

YEAH.

OH ON SEE HER ON ZOOM ON HER PHONE.

YOU MEAN LIKE FACETIME OR FACETIME? WELL, FACETIME WON'T WORK CUZ IT HAS TO BE ON, UH, ON THE ZOOM SYSTEM.

I JUST ASKED IF SHE CAN USE ZOOM ON HER PHONE.

I THINK IT'S THE WEBEX DEAL.

YEAH, THE WEBEX LINK.

YEP.

YEAH, PLEASE IF WHILE SHE DOES THAT, WE'LL TAKE SOME OTHER SPEAKERS PLEASE.

HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME'S KRISTY SCHMACK.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF WATERMARK HEALTH.

WE'RE A NONPROFIT HEALTHCARE ORGANIZATION.

WE HAVE TWO BRICK AND MORTAR CLINICS THAT SEE URGENT CARE PATIENTS AS WELL AS A MOBILE UNIT THAT'S PRESENT AT THE PEARL C ANDERSON CAMPUS.

CONSISTENTLY, WE SEE ABOUT 10,000 PATIENTS A YEAR AND PREDOMINANTLY OFFER URGENT CARE SERVICES, BUT WE ALSO DO SOME DENTAL, EARLY PRENATAL CARE AND HYPERTENSION SERVICE LINES AS WELL.

OUR SERVICES ARE FREE TO OUR PATIENTS.

WE DO ASK FOR A $10 DONATION TO INSTILL VALUE IN THE SERVICES THEY RECEIVE, BUT IF SOMEONE'S EVER UNABLE TO AFFORD THAT, WE STILL GLADLY SEE THEM AND DO NOT REQUIRE ID OR ZIP CODE TO BE DESIGNATED TO BE SEEN.

WE'VE HAD A PRESENCE AT PERCY ANDERSON SINCE AUGUST OF 2020.

OUR FIRST OPPORTUNITY WAS TO PROVIDE A FREE DRIVE THROUGH COVID TESTING SITE ALONGSIDE THE FOOD DISTRIBUTION THAT HAPPENED THERE AS THE MOBILE UNIT FINISHED ITS CONSTRUCTION.

IT WAS ALSO LOCATED AT PEARL C ANDERSON ABOUT THREE DAYS A WEEK WHERE WE'RE DOING URGENT CARE SERVICES.

THAT WAS SINCE THE SPRING OF 2021.

IN THAT TIME PERIOD, WE'VE ALSO HOSTED SCHOOL PHYSICAL DAYS AND EVENTS WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO SEE STUDENTS FROM NEARBY SCHOOLS, UM, LIKE LINCOLN AND MADISON.

WE'VE DONE VACCINE CLINICS WITH LINCOLN, A HEALTH EDUCATION EVENT WITH MADISON AND WE'VE BEEN STATIONED AT THE PARK SOUTH Y FOR SOME HEALTH EDUCATION AND URG