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UH, AND, UH, THE BOW BOARD.[2024 Bond Critical Facilities Meeting on May 11, 2023.]
GREAT.YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO SAY WHAT DISTRICT YOU'RE REPRESENTING IN YOUR DISTRICT ONE, BUT IF YOU'LL SAY YOUR DISTRICT AND MAYBE YOUR CONNECTION TO THE CITY OR WHY YOU'RE WANTING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS INVENTORY IS SO LARGE.
UM, AND THAT'S HOW I GOT RECRUITED TO, TO COME BACK AND SERVE.
AND THEN, UM, UH, ADAM MADRANO, UH, FORMER MAYOR PRO IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
I'M REPRESENTING DISTRICT TWO FOR COUNCIL NUMBER.
UM, DISTRICT THREE CURRENTLY SERVE AS A BOARD MEMBER FOR, UM, BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, AND I SERVED LAST YEAR, LAST TIME ON S AND WHAT IN YOUR DISTRICT, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID, YOU SAID IT, BUT WITH DISTRICT, DISTRICT THREE, YOU AND AGREE.
I, I'M SORRY, I INTERRUPTED AGO.
THIS HAS A, THIS IS MARKED BY DISTRICT NUMBER, SO I'LL JUST CROSS YOURS OUT AND, OH, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT WAS, IT'S SEVEN, RIGHT? SEVEN.
UM, ALIS REPRESENTING DISTRICT FIVE WITH HEIM SANDIS.
I'M BORN AND RAISED IN PLEASANT GROVE, LIVED OUR MY WHOLE LIFE AND JUST, UM, WANNA BE IN PART OF ITS IMPORTANT WORK.
I'M IN DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, AVENUE DOULA, AND I AM, UH, EMPLOYED AT THE FOUR THEATER, HISTORIC FOUR.
AND, UH, AND, UM, I'M EXCITED TO BE ON THIS COMMITTEE TO JUST LOOK AT ALL THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE THAT COULD USE SOME, A BIT ABOUT KEEP TO ITSELF.
I'M IN DISTRICT NINE, UH, PAUL BLACK ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, AND, UH, MATT BEER.
I OWN AN ADVERTISING AND MARKETING COMPANY, UH, IN THE DALLAS AREA.
AND THIS IS MY FIRST TIME, UH, INVOLVED IN ANYTHING LIKE THIS WITH THE CITY.
BUT I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE.
I, THE FORMER CHAIR WITH A FRIEND FOR THE DALLAS PUBLIC LIBRARIES.
AND WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THAT ON ONE OF THE PRIOR BOND PROJECTS TO GET TO THE LIBRARIES BUILT, I STARTED GETTING INCENTIVES TO ALL THE NEEDS AND GOT TO MEET WITH, UH, MANY COUNCIL MEMBER GATES AND OTHER FOLKS THAT'S REALLY LEARNED THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON IN THE CITY.
BRUCE HOUSE, I'M SORRY, BASH SHEAR HELPED US RAISE EXTRA MONEY FOR THE, THE BAKERY LIBRARY THAT WAS, UM, IN THE LAST BOND PROGRAM THAT WAS IN DISTRICT 13.
AND, AND RAISE, WE RAISED AND PRIVATE MONEY ON THE SIDE TO BE ABLE TO, UM, DO SOME CHILDREN ENHANCEMENTS.
SO, THANK YOU, MR. THAT MY FAULT.
BRUCE RICHARDSON, UH, I'M A COMPOSER ARTIST.
UM, DISTRICT 14, SERVED AS MAYOR RAWLINGS APPOINTEE AS CHAIR OF THE ZONING ADJUSTMENT FOR, UH, EIGHT YEARS BETWEEN 2011 AND 2019.
AND HAPPY TO BE HERE DOING THIS WORK BACK AGAIN.
WHEN I THOUGHT I WAS OUT, KNOW ADAM, AND I KNOW THE FEELING.
TURN IT TO
UM, I ALSO SERVED IN THE ETHICS ADVISORY COMMISSION AS WELL, AND I AM THE CURRENT CHIEF OF STAFF FOR DALLAS COLLEGE.
UH, SO, AND I LIVED IN HOLLY HILLS FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS OR SO.
GREW UP IN OAK CLIFF, SO I KNOW THE AREA PRETTY WELL, WHERE WE NEED, WHAT WE'VE BEEN NEEDING, AND WE'LL, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THERE, RIGHT? NO, NO, YOU'RE FINE.
I WAS JUST SITTING BACK THERE.
UM, HI EVERYONE, MY NAME IS I
UM, I AM THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ARTS DISTILLERY NONPROFIT.
IT'S A PERFORMING ARTS ORGANIZATION IN WEST DALLAS.
WHY AM I HERE? I HAVE NO IDEA.
UM, I, NO, I'M JUST, I'M PLAYING.
I SERVED ON THE ARTS COMMISSION FOR A SHORT WHILE, UH, FOR, UH, UNDER OMAR NARVAEZ, AND WE DO A LOT OF COMMUNITY WORK IN WEST DALLAS AND SOUTH DALLAS.
SO WE ARE AN ARTS ORGANIZATION THAT UPLIFTS OTHER MARGINALIZED ORGANIZATIONS AND VOICES THROUGH OUR WORK.
AND YOU REPRESENTING SIX AND I'M REPRESENTING SIX ONE.
I REALLY APPRECIATE TAKING TIME TO ATTEND THE FIRST MEETING.
I KNOW IT'LL, IT'LL BE, UM, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME.
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SO OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS WE'RE GONNA NEED SOMEBODY TO BE ASSIGNED AS CO-CHAIR.DO WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS OR SOMEONE WANNA MAKE A NOMINATION? THERE'S REALLY NO, WE'RE NOT.
WE DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW ROBERT'S RULES ORDERS IN THIS PROCESS.
UM, BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY IF, ARE YOU WILLING TO SERVE ALL IN FAVOR TOWN ON I'M OUTTA TOWN ON JUNE 20TH, SO IF YOU COULD, YOU, YOU'VE RUN MEETINGS BEFORE.
UM, AND THEN THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS, UM, AND I, I'M GONNA ASK FOR SOME HELP WITH
THEY'VE GOT THE MEATY DATES FOR, UM, WHAT'S SCHEDULED.
BUT WE NEED TO DO LIKE TWO FIELD TRIPS.
AND THESE ARE USUALLY DONE ON SATURDAYS.
UM, WE CAN ASK SOME HEALTHY SNACKS, AND WE WILL LOOK AT THE FACILITIES THAT, UH, THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS KIND OF TOP PRIORITY.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP HAVE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
UM, THERE'S REALLY NO SET, WE DON'T HAVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED FOR JULY.
I KNOW JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST IS GONNA IMPACT EVERYBODY'S SOMEWHAT TRAVEL TIME.
BUT, UM, WHEN, WHEN DO WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE DONE BY THE SCHEDULED? I BELIEVE THIS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I DIDN'T HAVE YOU GUYS INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
SO IF YOU WANNA ALL SET IN YOUR ROLE, UM, WITH THIS.
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WITH THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
AND I'LL BE WORKING AS A LIAISON FOR THE CRITICAL CITY SUBCOMMITTEE.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL HELP WITH ALL THE COORDINATION.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE RYAN THOMPSON, UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BUILDING SERVICES.
I'M AN ARCHITECT IN BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
CARLOS, OR, I'M JOHN, DIRECTOR OF BUILDING SERVICES.
I'M SERVING AS THE NOTE TAKER FOR THE NEXT ONE.
JOHN, YOU'RE BEHIND THE SCREEN.
ANYBODY ELSE BACK THERE WITH YOU THAT I CAN'T SEE? HERE YOU GO.
I'M MARCINE FELIPE, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE HEAD.
THE PLEASURE OF RUNNING THE LATINO CULTURAL CENTER PROGRAM DECADE.
I'M A SENIOR MANAGER OF CULTURAL VENUES FOR THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE.
OH, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ARTS AND PULLS PART ARE GONNA BE PRESSURED AS PART TALK A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT.
LIKE ALL OUR CATEGORY CRITICAL FACILITIES.
I'LL BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT ARTS AND CULTURE ARE ONE AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE COMING OUT STRONG.
UM, SO, SO I THINK FIELD TRIP.
THE FIELD TRIP, LET'S GO BACK TO THAT.
EFRON, DO YOU WANT US TO HAVE THAT DONE BY? UH, I WOULD SAY THE SOONER THE BETTER.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S GONNA CREATE A CONFLICT, UM, WITH PERSONAL CALENDARS.
UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST, UH, BEFORE AUGUST, UH, IT WILL BE, IT WILL BE A LOT BETTER.
UM, THAT WAY WE CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND HAVE INSUFFICIENT TIME FOR US TO COORDINATE TRANSPORTATION LOCATIONS, UM, AND WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA NEED ADDITIONAL FIELD TRIPS.
BUT I, I THINK TWO, UM, IT'S RECOMMENDED.
WE, WE HAD PENCILED IN ONE BEFORE JULY ONE, ONE TOWARDS THE END OF JUNE AND ONE IN EARLY MID.
THAT'S JUST, OR WOULD YOU RATHER TRY TO DO A JULY DATE WHERE THERE'S, THEY DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE MEETINGS IN JULY BECAUSE COUNCIL'S ON RECESS IN JULY.
UM, BUT THERE'S OTHER, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT MEET ALL THE TIME WHEN WE WERE ON RECESS.
SO IT'S NOT, AND WE DON'T HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS AT 10, SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE CAN'T MEET JULY.
SO I WAS THINKING IN JULY WAS POSSIBLE, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE THE, THESE MEETINGS GOING ON IN JUNE.
AND, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT ALSO WE WERE LOOKING AT ABOUT THREE OR FOUR LOCATIONS PER TRIP.
SO IT WOULD BE THREE, THREE HOURS AT LEAST.
UM, CAN WE, CAN WE GO FOR SECOND? WE GO FOR END OF JUNE, BUT IS THAT TOUGH FOR YOU? YEAH.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD AVOID THE 4TH OF JULY WEEK BEFORE AND AFTER.
BUT WHAT IF WE JUST CIRCULATE SOME, SOME DATE? DO WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO DO LIKE A GOOGLE DOC? I MEAN A ONE OF THOSE GOOGLE, LIKE SEND OUT DATES AND SEE WHO'S AVAILABLE ON MY KEY SURVEY? A DOODLE DOODLE.
CAN WE DO THAT AND YES, OF COURSE.
I'LL GET WITH YOU AND, UM, GET SOME DATES AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL SEND 'EM OUT AND SEE WHERE WE GET THE MOST PARTICIPATION.
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YOU CAN'T ATTEND ONE, YOU CAN GO SEE THESE SITES ON YOUR OWN.WE'LL ALSO TAKE LOTS OF PICTURES.
UM, WE MIGHT BE HAVING TO RELY THEM ON PICTURES CAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE FACILITIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THAT'D BE THE 15TH OR 22ND OR THE 29TH.
15TH, 22ND AND 29TH IF WE WANNA DO THE EIGHTH.
BUT IF WE WANTED THE EIGHTH IS PROBABLY GOOD.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL DO THAT AND THEN WE CAN, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES, I MEAN, IF YOU MISS THOSE AND YOU, THERE'S SOMETHING YOU REALLY WANNA SEE.
WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE STAFF MEET YOU DURING THE DAY, DURING THE WEEK.
I MEAN, ESPECIALLY DURING SOMETHING THAT'S DURING THEIR OPERATING HOURS.
WE WE'RE GONNA DO THESE ON SATURDAYS, SO IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH YOUR WORK SCHEDULE.
BUT IF YOU WANNA SEE A FACILITY, I'M SURE WE CAN MAKE APPOINTMENTS.
UM, LOOK, ARTS AND CULTURAL WILL TAKE YOU ANYWHERE THAT YOU LIKE US.
DO, DO WE KNOW NOW WHICH FACILITIES WE WILL BE VISITING? DO YOU KNOW? WE HAVE, WE HAVE AN IDEA.
UH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE OPEN TO RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS ANY OTHER SEAT FACILITIES.
DO YOU WANNA, I KNOW YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION.
I MEAN, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND I'LL PASS IT CUZ I THINK WE, LET'S GET THROUGH SOME OF THIS, THE INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEN IF THERE'S, CUZ WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.
BUT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE NOW MIGHT BE ANSWERED IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION.
YOU NEED TO BE THAT PERSON THAT BRINGS UP FOOD.
I FORGOT THEY DID PROVIDE US FOR DINNER.
LET'S TAKE A REAL QUICK AND GRAB A DINNER AND WE'LL MAKE A WORKING DINNER.
I HAVE TO BE BACK AND YOU GUYS DO NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME BACK AT SEVEN 30 INTO THE BIG ROOM, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE FOR THE SEVEN 30.
AND THEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REPORT, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO REPORT OTHER THAN THAT.
I, YOU SEE HOW EARLY I WAS READY? READY.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU, I MEAN, LITERALLY IT'S BEEN, OH YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
YEAH, I FIGURE SAW YOU ON THAT TOUR.
IT'S USUALLY COLD IN CITY HALL, SO IT WAS OH, SCAR.
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SIT BACK DOWN.ONLY ONE THAT I ACTUALLY THE OPERATOR.
WELL, THAT WAS, THEY JUST, I WAS JUST INFORMED THE RE IT'S USUALLY FREEZING.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS.
IF YOU'VE BEEN IN CITY HALL, YOU USUALLY ARE FREEZING ALL THE TIME, BUT BECAUSE OF THE RANSOMWARE, THEY CAN'T CONTROL, THEY CAN'T ACCESS THE A SO IT GETS, MY GUESS, IT GETS TURNED OFF IN THE EVENING SO THEY CAN'T TURN HER BACK AROUND.
SO CLICK THE LINK IN THE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE US FOR COOKING.
DO YOU KNOW THAT MORNING? YEAH.
DO YOU WANNA RUN THROUGH THE, UM, PRESENTATION OR DO YOU WANT THANK YOU.
SO GOOD EVENING HONOR COMMITTEE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AGAIN, MY NAME, ISK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, WHICH OFFICE OF BOND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, YOUR GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION.
UH, ALSO YOUR RECOMMENDATION WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED AND WILL ENSURE IT'S GONNA ENSURE THAT, UM, THAT WE HAVE THE SUCCESS, UH, FOR FUTURE OF THE GOVERNMENT.
I, I, I THANK YOU, UH, FOR, FOR THE SERVICE.
UH, SO TODAY I PROVIDING A BRIEFING ON THE 2024 BROWN PROGRAM, TECHNICAL CRITERIA EVALUATION FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES.
UM, MY COLLEAGUES, ROBERT
SO THE INTENT, UM, OF THIS BRIEFING IS SEEKING TO PROVIDE, UH, HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF HOW CITY FACILITY PROJECTS ARE IDENTIFIED.
LET ME, WE HERE ARE YOU HAVE SIZE IN FRONT OF YOU? YEAH, I THINK EVERYBODY HAD.
SO, UM, AS I WAS SAYING, THE PURPOSE IS TO IDENTIFY AND EVALUATE AND SCORE FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF, UH, THE UPCOMING BOND PROGRAM.
SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITY, UH, CITYWIDE PROJECTS VERSUS PROJECT SPECIFICS TO, UH, THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND, AND HOW IT RELATES, UH, TO THE FUNDING ALLOCATIONS.
UM, LASTLY, THE UTILIZATION OF THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA TO CATEGORIZE AND PRIORITIZE PROJECTS FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE, RENOVATIONS, EXPANSION, REPLACEMENT OF EXISTING FACILITIES, AND NEW CONSTRUCTION.
NOW PLEASE NOTE THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA EVALUATION IS APPLIED TO ALL CITY PUBLIC FACILITIES, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE FOLLOWING FOUR PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES, AND THAT INCLUDES, UH, FIRE AND POLICE STATIONS.
UH, WE HAVE LIBRARY FACILITIES, WE HAVE CULTURAL ARTS FACILITIES AND CITY FACILITIES IN GENERAL.
NOW, CITY FACILITIES, WE, THERE, THERE'S TWO GROUPS OF CITY FACILITIES.
WE HAVE THE, UH, MUNICIPAL CENTER, WHICH IS A MORE OF A PUBLIC, PUBLIC FACING THAN WE HAVE, UH, SERVICE CENTERS, WHICH IS MORE OF A SUPPORT TO STAFF AND FUNCTION TO THE CITY.
NOW THIS IS THE SIZE AND THE SCALE, UM, OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
A TECHNICAL CRITERIA FRAMING WAS DEVELOPED TO ENSURE THAT PROJECTS ARE PRIOR PRIORITIZED ACCORDING TO THE HIGHEST NEEDS AND IMPACT.
UM, NOW, HERE BEFORE YOU DO HAVE SOME OF THE LATEST, UH, FACILITIES THAT WERE, THAT WERE COMPLETED.
UM, WE HAVE FIRE STATION 36 THAT WAS, IT WAS JUST COMPLETED.
WE HAVE, UH, ONE OF THE LIBRARIES, UH, IN ADDITION TO, OR RENOVATION TO ONE OF THE CULTURAL ART FACILITIES.
NOW, AS FAR AS THE, UM, CONVERSATION, THIS WAS
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AN EXTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS.UH, AND DEPARTMENTS EVALUATED THE NEEDS INVENTORY WITH A MAXIMUM 80 POINTS TECHNICAL SCORE.
AFTER THE TECHNICAL SCORE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED UP TO 20 POINTS OF THE PRIORITY AREAS OVERLAY MAY BE GIVEN, UH, TO EACH PROJECT BY THE DEPARTMENT OF DATA AND ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.
UH, SO BASICALLY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON DATA DRIVEN AND, AND NOT, UH, JUST BASED ON, ON, UH, PERSONAL OPINIONS OR, OR, UH, OR THAT'S UP A CASE QUESTION.
THE, THE DATA THAT YOU'RE USING TO DRIVE THE DECISIONS, WHERE, WHERE IS THAT DATA COME FROM? HOW IS IT COMPILED? YES, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND I WILL GO INTO, IN, IN THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'LL, WE'LL GO INTO MORE RETAIL.
UM, SO WHAT ARE THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA? UM, BASICALLY THESE ARE OUR MEASURING TOOLS THAT SEEK STAFF USES TO EVALUATE AND SCORE PROJECTS FROM.
FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, IT ALLOWS US TO EVALUATE, CATEGORIZE, AND PRIORITIZE PROJECTS TECHNICALLY AFTER THIS PROCESS IS COMPLETED, PROJECTS, UM, THEN ARE PLACED ON THE CITY NEEDS INVENTORY LIST BY THE OPERATING DEPARTMENT WITH AN INITIAL TECHNICAL SCORE, THEN PERIODICALLY REVIEW AND UPDATED BY STAFF TO DETERMINE A RANKING ORDER.
UM, NOW AS FAR AS AN EQUITY AND OVERLAY TOOL REQUIRED, AREAS WERE DETERMINED BY OVERLAY MULTIPLE DATA LAYERS INTO A G I S TECHNICAL MAPPING SYSTEM.
UM, NOW THESE LAYERS INCLUDE HIGH PRIME AREAS, UM, DARK SITES, UM, MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS, THREE 11 SERVICE REQUEST, WHICH IS MORE OF A CITIZEN INPUT.
UH, AND THEN THE INTERSECTION OF PROJECT OVERLAYS, UH, AND LESS THAN THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, A BRIEFING WAS PROVIDED EARLIER TODAY.
SO HERE BASICALLY IS A PRESENTATION OF, UH, THE LAYER SYSTEM THAT WE ARE USING.
UM, NOW THIS IS, THIS IS COMPOSED THROUGH THE, UM, THE OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS HERE BEFORE YOU NURSE INTENDED WAS GOING MATRIX FOR RENOVATION REPLACEMENT AND NEW FACILITIES, WHICH CONSIST OF THE FOLLOWING FACTORS.
SO FOR THIS TYPE OF PROJECTS, UH, THAT INCLUDES RENOVATION REPLACEMENTS, AND IN NEW CITY FACILITY, WE'RE USING A TOTAL OF NINE FACTORS.
WE HAVE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDER SUPPORT.
UH, BASICALLY THIS IS, UM, AND THERE'S A MAX MAX SCORE ASSOCIATED WITH EACH FACTORY.
ON THIS CASE, IT'S, IT'S 15 POINTS MAX.
WE HAVE SITE ACQUISITION STATUS, WHICH IS 10 POINTS MAX, DESIGN STATUS, ECONOMIC FATALITY, 10 POINTS, IF THERE'S A CURRENT MASTER PLAN, 10 POINTS, IF THERE'S ANY LEVERAGE OF FUNDS, UM, ADDITIONAL 10 POINTS, AND THEN PRIOR PHASES.
UM, THIS INCLUDES PRIOR BONDS, UH, SAFETY, AND THEN EQUITY AND OVERLAY TOOL.
NOW, IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS THE NEEDS, THIS SYSTEM OF PRIORITIZATIONS ARE NOW IN PLACED TO ENSURE THAT AREAS WITH THE HIGHEST MAINTENANCE ARE DATA DRUGS.
HERE'S ANOTHER TECHNICAL CRITERIA, AND THIS IS, UH, MORE IN RELATION TO MAJOR MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS BEYOND MAINTENANCE REPAIRS.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD ASK EITHER BRIAN OR JOHN TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
BRIAN THOMPSON, DIRECTOR OF BUILDING SERVICES.
SO IN DEVELOPING TECHNICAL CRITERIA ON THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE PERSPECTIVE, WHICH IS REALLY ANY MAINTENANCE THAT IS BEYOND OUR DAY-TO-DAY ROUTINE.
SERVICE CALL, UH, EXAMPLES WOULD INCLUDE, UH, FULL SCALE, UH, MECHANICAL HVAC REHABILITATION OR REPLACEMENT, UH, SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL MODIFICATIONS OR REPAIRS.
SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF ELEMENTS THAT CONSTITUTE A MAJOR MAINTENANCE CRITERIA.
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SO IN DEVELOPING THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA AND SCORING MECHANISM, WE, WE CAME UP WITH SIX, WELL, FIVE, IF YOU EXCLUDED THE, UH, EQUITY AND INCLUSION PIECE, WHICH IS DONE BY THE OFFICE EQUITY AND INCLUSION.SO THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE, UH, PRIORITY BASED BUILDING CONDITION.
SO WE'VE BASED THREE PRIORITIES WITHIN THIS CATEGORY.
PRIORITY ONE BEING CURRENTLY CRITICAL.
UH, THAT BUILDING IS A SERIOUS NEED OF MAJOR ATTENTION, A PRIORITY TWO, WHICH IS POTENTIALLY CRITICAL.
THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM THE BUILDING SERVICES SIDE, BUT IT HASN'T REACHED A POINT OF CRITICAL FAILURE AT THIS POINT.
AND THEN PRIORITY THREE ARE A FACILITY THAT WE SEE EMERGING TRENDS IN OUR RESPONSES TO CALLS AT THAT FACILITY.
UH, BUT IT HASN'T ESCALATED TO THE CRITICAL OR, UH, EXTREMELY CRITICAL POINT.
AND WITHIN THAT RATING CRITERIA, THERE ARE 30 POINTS POSSIBLE DEPENDING ON WHAT NATURE, UH, OF THE PROBLEMS EXIST WITHIN THAT BUILDING.
THE SECOND CRITERIA IS IMPROVED OPERATION OF MAINTENANCE.
AND FROM OUR SIDE, WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH AND EVALUATING TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR THE OPERATION OF MAINTENANCE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO SIDES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT ON OUR SIDE OF THE BUILDING SERVICES, WHAT DOES THIS PROJECT DO FOR US ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE? DOES IT HELP US LONG TERM? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY SHORT TERM RESOLUTION.
WE WANT TO COME IN AND DO A PROJECT THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US A LONG-TERM, LONG-LASTING BENEFIT TO THE USERS OF THAT FACILITY.
BUT THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE HAVE TO BE SURE TO CONSIDER IS THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT.
WE DON'T OPERATE THAT FACILITY EVERY DAY.
WE'RE NOT THE ULTIMATE END USER.
SO IN OUR CONSIDERATION OF SCORING THAT CRITERIA, WE HAVE TO BE CONSCIOUS ABOUT THE FACT THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS IT GOING TO IMPROVE THE OVERALL OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY OF THAT FACILITY.
AND SO COMBINED THE, THE MAINTENANCE ASPECT AND THE OPERATIONAL ASPECT WILL END UP IN OUR ULTIMATE SCORE FOR THE, UH, IMPROVEMENT TO O N CATEGORIES DESIGN STATUS.
THIS ONE WILL A VERY SIMPLE RATING CRITERIA.
IF TODAY WE ALREADY HAVE A CONSULTANT SELECTED, WE HAVE DONE A TECHNICAL EVALUATION OF WHATEVER THAT MA MAJOR MAINTENANCE DID WITH.
AND WE HAVE A, UH, SHOVEL READY PROJECT READY TO GO, BUT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING.
WE'RE JUST GOING TO SIMPLY SCORE THAT WITH THE FIVE POINTS THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH IN THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
IF WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT TO THE CONSULTANT SELECTION, WE HAVEN'T DONE DESIGN BID, ANY OF THAT PROCESS BID THE DESIGN PROCESS, UH, PRETTY SIMPLE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET A POINT AT ANY POINT FOR THE DESIGN STATUS TECHNICAL CRITERIA, THE IDENTIFIED ON THE 2017 FCA.
AND, UH, I WILL BE VERY BRIEF IN IN THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE 2017 FCA FROM THE BUILDING SERVICES SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT, UH, PERSPECTIVE.
UH, BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF HOLES IN THE 2017 FCA.
UH, WHEN JOHN AND I CAME ON BOARD IN BUILDING SERVICES LAST YEAR, JOHN CAME IN FEBRUARY, I CAME IN MAY.
ONE OF THE FIRST, UH, TASKS THAT WE HAD WAS TO GIVE A CRITICAL FACILITY ASSESSMENT BRIEFING TO COUNCIL.
SO FOR US, THAT INVOLVED A REALLY DEEP DIVE INTO SEVERAL DIFFERENT FACTORS.
ONE WAS THE, UH, FINAL RESULT OF THE 2017 FCA THAT WAS PROVIDED BY AECOMS IN THE 2017 BOND.
A A LOT OF COMPONENTS OF THE FCA WERE INCLUDED, BUT THERE WERE ALSO MANY THAT WERE NOT BROUGHT OVER INTO THE, UH, 2017 BOND PROGRAM.
SO WHEN WE'VE CONTINUED TO DEVELOP THE NEEDS INVENTORY FOR CITY FACILITIES, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REFERENCING THE FCA BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF FACILITIES IN THE 2017 FCA THAT HAD SOME VERY CRITICAL, UH, MAJOR MAINTENANCE NEEDS THAT WEREN'T ADDRESSED IN THE 2017 BOMB.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THAT INFORMATION FROM THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO KNOWING THAT WHERE WE STAND TODAY FROM A FACILITY ASSESSMENT PERSPECTIVE, THAT IF IT WAS IN 2017 FCA AS CRITICAL AND DID NOT GET ADDRESSED.
WELL SEVEN YEARS LATER, WE CAN ONLY GUESS THAT, UH, WITH THE MINOR MAINTENANCE THAT WE'VE DONE TO THAT BUILDING IN SEVEN YEARS, IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE, UH, GIVEN SOME WEIGHTED MEASURE IN THIS BOND'S PROPOSAL.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST PIECE WOULD BE THE, UH, RESILIENCY, UH, SAFETY AND OR SUPPORTS THE CITY CCAP GOALS.
SO ACROSS THOSE THREE, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT A PROJECT AND NOT NECESSARILY A FACILITY PROJECT,
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UH, WE, WE TOOK ALL THREE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.DOES, DOES THAT PROJECT IMPROVE RESILIENCY? DOES IT IMPROVE SAFETY? AND DOES IT SUPPORT THE CITY SEEK A GOALS? IF IT MEETS ALL THREE, THEN IT GETS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF POINTS AVAILABLE INTO THAT TECHNICAL CRITERIA CATEGORY.
IF IT MEANS ONE, THEN IT WOULD GET A THIRD OF THE POINTS AVAILABLE AT SEVEN.
SO THAT'S REALLY HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE TECHNICAL RATING CRITERIA ON THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THE, THE PICTURE FOR THE BOND PROGRAM.
UH, AND JUST TO, FOR CLARIFICATION, MAIN OR MAINTENANCE IS BASICALLY ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF, UH, ROUTINE MAINTENANCE, CORRECT? YES.
WE USED TO, WE USED TO PLAY THE GAME OF ANYTHING OVER A $50,000 CAPITAL EXPENDITURE WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
THAT THAT'S KIND OF ARCHAIC AND HISTORIC WAY OF THINKING ABOUT MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
IT'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF ROUTINE THAT, UH, WOULD REALLY STRETCH A, UH, A GENERAL OR OPERATING FUND FUNDING MECHANISM.
YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK, HAVE ANY CRITICAL FACILITIES ALREADY BEEN SCORED USING ANY OF THESE CRITERIA? AND IF SO, CAN WE SEE THAT LIST? AND IF SO, LIKE HOW DID YOU DETERMINE WHICH FACILITIES WERE SCORED ALREADY? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE PROCESS TO SCORE A FACILITY BASED ON ALL OF THESE CRITERIA.
SO HAD, HAD FACILITIES ALREADY BEEN SCORED? YES.
SO THE, THE QUESTION IS, YES, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN SCORED, BUT WE'RE ALSO, UM, UPDATING THAT INFORMATION FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.
UM, IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE ACTUALLY, UH, WORKING ON FINALIZING THE NEEDS LIST.
AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED, UM, LATER DOWN DOWN THE ROAD.
SO WHEN WE GET PRESENTED BY, AT OUR DIFFERENT MEETINGS, WE'LL HAVE A MEETING THAT, LIKE THE ARTS AND CULTURE PRESENT ALL THEIR FACILITIES, THEIR NEEDS, AND THEY'LL HAVE THEIR NEEDS INVENTORY AND THEY'LL HAVE 'EM SCORED.
WE WE'RE NOT THE, WE DON'T DO THE SCORING.
THEY'LL HAVE THE, THE STAFF THAT IS THE SCORING DONE.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE GET TO THAT, THOSE, EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS, UM, IF IT'S ARTS AND CULTURE, THEN THEY'LL BE SCORED.
AND, UM, TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, I DON'T THINK THEY SCORE EVERY SINGLE BUILDING, BUT THE ONES THAT THEY KNOW ARE IN HIGH LEVEL ON THE LIST.
SO, AND, AND THE MAJOR PROJECTS, SOMETIMES IT MIGHT NOT BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE A NEW FACILITY.
AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SCORING.
ONE WOULD BE LIKE BUILDING, IF IT'S CALLED OUT, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW LIBRARY.
THERE'S A NEEDS INVENTORY FOR NEW BUILDINGS AS WELL, OR REPLACEMENT BUILDINGS.
BUT THEN THERE'S THE MAJOR, UM, IMPROVEMENTS OR THE, UM, MAJOR MAINTENANCE THAT IS, MIGHT BE A ROOF ON A BUILDING OR UM, OR H V A C OR WHATEVER.
I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING IS, SO WE ARE GONNA BE PRESENTED SCORES FOR CERTAIN FACILITIES.
AND TO ME THAT IMPLIES THAT WE CAN'T PRESENT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THOSE FACILITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SCORED.
RIGHT? WE'RE, WE'RE BRINGING THESE INVENTORY TO THE BOND SUBCOMMITTEES BASED ON OVERALL CITY DEPARTMENT STAFF EVALUATION OF WHATEVER THAT MAY BE.
WHETHER IT'S THE STREET SIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE BUILDING SERVICES SIDE, THE CITY HAS 1200 PLUS BUILDINGS IN ITS CURRENT INVENTORY.
IN OUR BUILDING SERVICES PORTFOLIO.
WE OWN 504, THOUGH WE ARE NOT BRINGING 504 WITH 504.
I'M THINKING MORE LIKE REC CENTERS AND NO REC.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO, THEY'RE NOT, THEY, NO REC CENTERS WILL BE IN, I ASKED THAT QUESTION ALREADY.
SO REC CENTERS WILL BE IN PARKS, BUT IF THERE'S A BUILDING THAT YOU, THAT YOU DON'T SEE ON A LIST, WE COULD BRING IT UP.
AND IF IT'S ON THE INVENTORY OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE OWNED, THEY CAN GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHY IT'S REPRESENTATIVE.
SO HOW'S THE, UM, SELECTION OF, WELL, HOW'S IT, WHERE DOES IT COME INTO PLAY WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY OWNS THE BUILDING OR ITS PART, THE, UH, INVOLVEMENT OF IT.
SO OWNERSHIP, HOW, HOW'S OWNERSHIP PLAYING TO, UH, THE CRITERIA OF SELECTING A PROJECT? DOES IT MATTER IF THE CITY OWNS IT OR NOT? I'M THINKING, UM, I IMAGINE THE CITY DOES NOT OWN THE DMA.
WE ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE OWN.
OH, SO THEY MAY HAVE MANAGEMENT GROUPS OR ORGANIZATIONS THAT MANAGE THE BUILDINGS THAT WE CONTRACT OUT WITH THAT, THAT, AND IN SOME OF THOSE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENTS, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND YOU COULD ASK THOSE KIND OF QUESTIONS.
LIKE IF YOU GET TO AN A IF WE'RE PRESENTED WITH A, A NEED OF A MAJOR MAINTENANCE PROBLEM.
CUZ I MEAN, A FAIR QUESTION TO ASK IS, WAS, IS THE AGREEMENT WITH THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY, ARE THEY, ARE THEY NOT? ARE THEY DOING WHAT
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THEY'RE SAID THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? ARE THEY MEETING THOSE OBLIGATIONS NOW? UM, BECAUSE IT, DID THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE WAS NEGLIGENCE? I MEAN, WE, WE COULD ASK THOSE THINGS.I MEAN, BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT BUILDING MANAGEMENT DOES, IS MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE, UM, TAKING CARE OF BUILDINGS LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING CARE OF BUILDINGS.
BUT NO, WE OWN UV, THE CITY OWNS ALL THOSE BUILDINGS.
IT'S LIKE WE OWN THE ZOO, WE OWN OUR MARIN, BUT THEY HAVE UM, I DON'T KNOW, MANAGEMENT GROUPS.
FAIR PARK NOW HAS A PRIVATE OPERATOR.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE, WE SHOULDN'T EXPECT TO SEE A BUILDING THAT DALLAS EMPLOYEES OCCUPY, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T OWN BEFORE US TO TO CONSIDER ANY.
THE ONES THAT WE LEASE KNOW THAT WE HAVE, WE SHOULD NOT.
WE WOULD NOT BE BECAUSE IT HAS TO HAVE TO MEET THE BOND CRITERIA.
THE CITY HAS TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, AND THEN IT HAS TO NEED TO EITHER BE REPLACED OR MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
SO, SO THIS CASE MAY JUST CLARIFY, ONE EXAMPLE THAT WILL COME UP OF A LEASE FACILITY, UH, IS THE POLICE TRAINING ACADEMY AND, AND THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF THAT LEASE.
BUT BRIAN, I MEAN YOU'RE NOT DOING ANY MAINTENANCE ON THAT FACILITY, ARE YOU? OR I'M SORRY.
YEAH, SO THAT'S A LEASH FACILITY.
WE ARE, UM, HAVE AN MOU WITH U N T.
I'M, I'M HELPING RAISE THE MONEY ON THE SIDE.
SO WHEN THEY SIGN THE LEASE FOR FIVE YEARS, UM, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A NEW ACADEMY THAT'S GONNA BE A NEAT INVENTORY, UH, QUESTION FOR A NEW FACILITY.
UH, BUT IT'S IN PARTNERSHIP WITH U N T AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE A RELATIONSHIP THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OWN PART OF IT OR BE, UH, THAT THE, THAT THAT BUILDING, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO SOME, UM, PARTICIPATE AT THE BOND LEVEL IN THAT PROJECT.
THAT'S A 150 MILLION PROJECT, BUT, BUT IT COULD HAVE STATE MONEY AND IT'S GONNA HAVE PRIVATE MONEY.
IT'S LIKE A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, BUT THE CURRENT FACILITY IS THE LEAST ONE.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NOT MADE IMPROVEMENTS AND WE NEED TO MEET THE DIFFERENT MODEL.
UM, WE'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT LIKE WHEN WE GET TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THE ARTS BUILDING.
SO WE'LL HAVE, EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WILL BE, UM, HAVE A TOPIC OF BUILDINGS THAT FALL UNDER THE, THAT CATEGORY.
SO IF I'M NOT, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION LEFT? UM, ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, AND LASTLY, SO, UM, THE NEEDS INVENTORY PROJECTS ARE GROUPED, UH, BY FACILITY TYPE.
UH, AND, AND SO, UM, THE FIRST GROUP, UH, THE FIRST GROUP THAT YOU SEE ON, ON, ON THE SLIDE BASICALLY PROVIDES A, A MORE DIRECT, UH, SERVICE TO THE PROVIDE.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, THE SECOND GROUP PROVIDES MORE OF AN INTERNAL SUPPORT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, CITY'S OVERALL FUNCTION AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
NOW ALL OF THESE, UH, ARE CITY OWNED BILLS.
UM, AND SO YOU'RE, THIS, THIS, THIS IS KIND OF EXPLAINED YOU'RE GONNA FORWARD FACING TO THE PUBLIC, THAT THE PUBLIC INTERACTS WITH THE BUILDING AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE INTERNAL THAT IT'S ONLY GONNA BE HOUSED, UM, CITY EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND, AND, AND A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, UM, SERVICE CENTERS.
UH, THAT'S MORE OF AN, AN INTERNAL SERVICE, UH, TO SUPPORT FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY.
UM, SUCH AS, UM, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, UH, WE HAVE ITS THAT PROVIDE, UH, INTERNAL SERVICE.
UM, SO, UH, WE HAVE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLU SOLUTIONS NOW.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE TYPE OF INTERNAL SUPPORT.
WHEN WE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SERVICE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT
OAKLAND MUNICIPAL CENTER, WHICH IS, IT'S IT'S PROBABLY KNOWN AS THE PERMANENT CENTER.
UM, SO, AND THAT'S WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC FACING FACILITIES OR, UM, SERVICE CENTERS.
UM, IF, IF IT'S A BUILDING THAT'S OCCUPIED BY ENTERPRISE FUND LIKE SANITATION, IT WILL NOT COME.
WELL IS THAT TRUE THAT IT WON'T COME THROUGH THE, UM, BOND PROGRAM? OR COULD THOSE FACILITIES COME THROUGH A BOND PROGRAM? SO, SO THEY, I'M SORRY IF IT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND IN THE CITY, LIKE SANITATION IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
AVIATION WATER'S ENTERPRISE AS WELL.
BUT I THINK WATER STORMWATER COULD BE A, UM, I THINK THERE ARE, ARE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS WHERE THE LIKE CONVENTION CENTERS, AN ENTERPRISE FUND, WOULD THAT COME THROUGH? BUT NO, THAT WOULDN'T COME THROUGH THIS LAW PROGRAM.
RIGHT? SO, SO JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, THE THE, SO WE HAVE THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BILLIONS
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OF DOLLARS.BUT THAT IS OPERATES DAY TO DAY AND LIKE YOUR STREETS AND YOUR PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY, ALL THAT'S IS YOUR GENERAL FUND.
AND THEN THE CITY UNIT OPERATES LOW FIELD.
THEY ARE ALL THE AVIATION, THEY OPERATE WATER AND SANITATION AND THOSE HAVE REVENUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
SO THEY GO IN AND OUT AND THEY CAN ISSUE BONDS ON THEIR OWN.
BUT I THINK WATER DOES HAVE SOME OVERLAP CUZ WE ONLY MADE THAT AN ENTERPRISE MAYBE FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL WHEN THEY DID THAT.
SO THOSE BUILDINGS THEN ARE NOT GONNA BE TOUCHING THE BOND PROGRAM.
IT'S GONNA BE TYPICALLY BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER THE GENERAL FUND, LIKE THE DOWN CEDAR CENTER.
BUT THAT'S UNDER PARKS, IS IT? NO, IT'S, IT'S UNDER IT'S CULTURAL ARTS.
AND PARKS, PARKS IS PART OF THE RE GENERAL FUNDS.
THE, SO THE UM, CONVENTION CENTER IS, IS NOT A CITY OWNED BUILDING.
IT IS, IT IS, BUT IT, IT'S A CITY OWNED BUILDING.
BUT IT'S UNDER THE, AN ENTERPRISE THAT BECAUSE IT HAS GENER, IT GENERATES, UH, IT GENERATES REVENUE THAT CAN OFFSET IT AND IT CAN ISSUE ITS OWN BONDS.
IT OPERATES OUTSIDE THE GENERAL FUND.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS BOND.
I THINK THERE'S A CAPITAL LITTLE PROGRAM FOR THE CENTER THERE IS.
AND THAT, AND THIS GONNA HAVE BONDS ASSOCIATED WITH, SO THINK OF THINGS THAT, THAT ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND OR THE THINGS THAT THIS BOND PROGRAM'S GONNA IMPACT.
BUT UNLESS YOU'RE NO C 1 0 1, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GENERAL FUND AND ENTERPRISE.
CUZ YOU KNOW WHAT IF YOUR TRASH IS NOT PICKED UP, YOU DON'T CARE THAT IT'S AN ENTERPRISE.
UM, THE IDEA THAT THE RESPONSE WON'T BE PAID OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT'S WHY THE, IT'S PART OF THE DEBT SERVICE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
SO THE GEN, SO IT'S LIKE 20, I DON'T, I WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS NOW, BUT IT'S LIKE A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR GENERAL FUND GOES IMMEDIATELY TO DEBT SERVICE.
IT WAS LIKE 20 YOU GUYS FINANCE GUYS KNOW IS THAT 20% OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE, ARE, ARE GO INTO THAT TO THAT.
AND SO THAT'S HOW, UM, AND AND THAT'S HOW WE DETERMINE THAT BILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO CHANGE THE TAX RATE ASSOCIATES TO THAT PORTION OF YOUR TAX BILL.
SO, SO WHEN WE BUDGET HERE AT THE CITY, UM, THE, A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS ARE, ARE DEBT SERVICE.
AND WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ONLY ISSUE WITHIN THE DEBT SERVICE CAPACITY.
SO WHEN THEY GO TO THE VERMONT TO VOTERS, WE CAN SAY YOUR TAXES AREN'T GONNA BE IMPACTED BY THIS BECAUSE IT SAYS WITHIN THE CAPACITY YOU CAN ONLY SHIP THOUGH, YOU COULD MAKE YOUR, YOUR DEBT CAPACITY LARGER.
BUT THEN IF YOU DON'T CHANGE YOUR TAX RATE, THEN YOUR GENERAL FUND IS GONNA BE IMPACTED.
IT'S, SO IT'S USUALLY ABOUT, ADAM DO YOU REMEMBER I WAS GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE, I SHOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I, UM, IT'S ABOUT 20%.
IT WAS LIKE 233 MILLION IS WHAT IT WAS, IS WHAT, WHAT DEBT SERVICE WAS WHEN I WAS HERE.
BUT ALL THOSE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED CAUSE I DID NOTICE THEM WHEN THEY SAID A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE, IT WAS A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE LANE WHEN I WAS HERE.
AND NOW IT'S ONLY 2 MILLION A MILE LANE.
WHICH REALLY, REALLY IS GONNA SAY THE BILLION DOLLARS WE SPENT IN 2017 IS NOT GONNA GET AS FAR AS THE TWO, UH, A BILLION DOLLARS ACCOUNT JUST CUZ JUST, I MEAN WE ALL PAYING BILLS AT HOME, WE KNOW THAT IT'S COSTING MORE TO DO EVERYTHING.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER FACTOR.
BUT, SORRY, I'VE GOT A LITTLE TANGENT SO I'LL GO BACK.
SO, UM, AND YOU KNOW, IN LINE WITH THAT, WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL CITYWIDE PROJECTS VERSUS COUNCIL DISTRICT PROJECTS.
AND TYPICALLY LARGER PROJECTS, UH, THAT, UH, THAT RESIDENTS FROM ACROSS THE CITY UTILIZE OR BENEFIT FROM, UH, ARE EXAMPLES OF, UM, C D Y PROJECTS.
AND SOME OF THOSE ARE, UM, DOWNTOWN CENTRAL LIBRARY OR LARGER SCALE PROJECTS SUCH AS DRAINAGE OR, UM, A RELIEF SYSTEM.
UM, ARTERIAL IMPROVEMENTS ON THE ROAD ROADWAY THAT THEY GO FROM THE DISTRICT TO ANOTHER DISTRICT AND, AND THEY GO THROUGH, THROUGH A, A LARGE AREA OF LAND, UM, POLICE TRAINING FACILITY THAT'S CONSIDERED, UM, A CITYWIDE PROJECT INSTEAD OF A SPECIFIC DISTRICT.
UH, NOW COUNCIL, DISTRICT COUNCIL SPECIFIC PROJECTS ARE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER PROJECTS, UM, AND THEY SERVE THE, THE, THE LOCAL RESIDENTS, UM, SO A, A LOCAL, UH, LIBRARY OR, UM, A LOCAL RESIDENTIAL OR COLLECTIVE ROADS.
UM, AND TYPICALLY THEY, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT, UH, PROVIDE ACCESS TO RESIDENTIAL, UH, RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
UM, FIRE STATIONS, UM, ON SPECIFIC DISTRICTS ARE CONSIDERED, UM, COUNCIL SPECIFIC PROJECTS AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING.
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UM, THIS BASICALLY, UH, PROVIDES AN EXPLANATION OF THE S NEEDS OVERALL INVENTORY.UM, SO WE CAN SEE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.
UM, FOR 2024 ESTIMATES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 857 MILLION, UH, FOR LIBRARIES.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $92 MILLION CULTURAL FACILITIES, 133 MILLION.
UM, AND THEN CITY FACILITIES ROUGHLY ABOUT 308, UH, MILLION.
UM, AS FAR AS PAST BOND APPLICATIONS, UM, WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF, UM, OF PROPOSITIONS FOR, UH, THE 2003, 2006, 2012 AND, UH, 2017 ON THE TOP OF TOTALS AT THE VERY, UM, FAR RIGHT OF, OF THE SCREEN.
UM, AND THAT'S JUST, UM, FROM 2003 TO TWO 2017.
UM, YES, JUST SMALL QUESTION SECOND, WHY DID YOUR NUMBERS HAVE THREE DECIMAL MAKES LOOK LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT BILLION.
YEAH, WE ARE LOOKING, WE ARE, THOSE ARE BILLIONS.
SO I THINK THESE, SO THAT'S WHY, AS THOSE ARE KNEES INVENTORY, SO THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO YEAH, SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S LARGE.
AND THIS IS, AND NOT EVERY PROJECT THAT IT'S IN MUCH IMMEDIATE, IT'S LISTED ON THE MEETS INVENTORY.
THIS IS JUST PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE MEETS INVENTORY, UH, EITHER BECAUSE THERE WAS A, UH, A CONCERN FROM EITHER, UH, THE COMMUNITY OR CITY STAFF OR, UM, THE THREE 11 SERVICE, WHICH IS THE INPUT FROM THE RESIDENCE.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF BUILDINGS, A LOT OF ROADS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MID INVENTORY.
SO, UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE SCOPE OF THE NEED, THAT'S BILLIONS AND WE'RE GONNA THROW JUST A LITTLE 1 BILLION AT IT.
WE'LL BE FILMING MICHELLE 17 MONTH PROGRAM.
UH, AS OF TODAY, UH, THE PERCENTAGE FOR VA COMMITTED, UH, AS OF MARCH, UH, AT 70, 70%, UM, THE BOND AUTHORIZATION WAS, UM, 1.05 BILL.
SO THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP LAST TIME IN 2017 ABOUT, UM, FUNDS ALLOCATED, BUT NOT, BUT NOT, UM, SPENT SPENT.
UM, SO AS, AS FAR THE, THE REMAINING 33% OF THE, UH, ALLOCATED BONDS, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE PHASE OUT OR WHAT'S THE RUNOUT ON THOSE, ON THOSE DOLLARS? WHEN, WHEN WILL THOSE DOLLARS BE SPENT UP OR ARE THERE, IS THERE A PLAN FOR THOSE TO STILL BE SPENT? YES, THERE'S A PLAN, UH, FOR THE, THE FUNDS TO BE UTILIZED.
UM, AND I, AND I THINK IT'S THE NEXT YEAR, SO OKAY, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
SOMETIMES PROJECTS GET DELAYED FOR MULTIPLE REASONS OR, OR IT'S COMING OVER BUDGET AND SO THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA START UNTIL THEY CAN GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
AND, AND THEY DON'T, THE BONDS ARE NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE WE GO OUT AND ISSUE ALL THE BONDS.
WE HAVE TIMING OF WHEN BONDS ARE ISSUED, SO BONDS AREN'T ISSUED UNTIL THE PROJECT'S ABOUT TO START.
SO IT'S JUST, THAT'S, THAT'S CAPACITY IS KIND OF ON THE SIDELINES.
BUT YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT DOES CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ISSUE BONDS AND THE COST OF THAT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT QUESTION, I MEAN SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT INFLATION IS DONE, RIGHT? RIGHT, RIGHT.
DOLLARS, DOLLARS IN 2017 YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, ARE NOT GONNA GO AS FAR.
SO WE RERUN THE RISK OF THE FUNDS THAT WERE ALLOCATED.
NOT BE ENOUGH, BEING ENOUGH TO EXCEED THE GOALS.
SO, SO WHEN THEY BUILD THE BOND, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE PROJECT COSTS, THEY ASSUME THAT PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA BE END ARE GONNA COST MORE AND THAT THE ONES IN THE BEGINNING ARE GONNA COST LESS AND THE ONES IN THE MIDDLE COULD BE AT THE TARGET AND SO BALANCE OUT.
BUT BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC CHANGE, IF THEY CHANGED WITH LIKE COVID AND YOU, WE DID HAVE, UH, UH, MANY RECESSION AND NOW WE COULD BE APPROACHING ANOTHER RECESSION, THINGS THAT THAT COULD GET, UM, CHANGED.
YEAH, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY, THERE ARE TOOLS I GUESS, AND I'M SURE STAFF USES TOOLS TO, TO TO HELP THEM IDENTIFY ESCALATION FACTORS AND RIGHT.
AND APPLY THOSE TO, TO THE NUMBERS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
BUT, AND THAT'S ALWAYS AN, UM, AND I, I THINK ROBERT VAN MARY CAN, CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND I HIT THE CRYSTAL BALL
UM, SO, UM, AS OF MARCH WE HAVE OVER A THOUSAND PROJECTS THAT, THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED FROM THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM.
WE HAVE 136 PROJECTS, UH, ON THE CONSTRUCTION, 164 PROJECTS
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THAT ARE UNDERDESIGNED FOR ACQUISITION.AND THEN WE HAVE, UM, ABOUT 62 PROJECTS.
UH, WE MAY NEED TO BE AWARDED THAT WEBSITE I SENT YOU.
THAT'S A REALLY GOOD, YOU CAN LIKE, UH, TOGGLE OVER AND SEE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, WHAT STAGES THAT THEY'RE IN, WHICH ONES WERE COMPLETED IN THE 2000 BOND, JUST FOR BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
AS FAR AS, UH, THE PROPOSED BOND OUTTA PAY FOR 2024, UM, I, I THINK THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, 1 BILLION.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THEY'RE WORKING ON THE NUMBERS AS WE SPEAK.
UM, BUT UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FINALIZING, UM, THOSE NUMBERS AND, AND, AND THAT'S GONNA BE BASED ON THE MARKET, UM, AND THE CITY'S CAPACITY.
UH, BUT AS OF NOW, UM, IT'S ONE, 1 BILLION AND, AND THESE, ON THIS PAGE 18, THEY KIND OF WENT BY, WHAT WAS THE COUNCIL, THE BILLION DOLLAR IN 2017? THE SAME PERCENTAGES, BUT SOME AMENDMENTS.
BUT THIS IS REALLY A COUNCIL DECISION, AND SO THEY CAN, THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE BRIEFED ON NEXT WEEK, IS IT? NEXT, NEXT WEEK, YEAH.
SO, AND IF YOU DON'T WATCH IT LIVE OR ATTEND, YOU CAN WATCH IT LATER, BUT YOU'LL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT IF THEN HAVE DIFFERENT FEELINGS THAN WHAT STAFF PRESENTING TO US.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS, UM, AGAIN, UM, OVER THE, UH, NEXT COUPLE OF, OF MONTHS OR A FEW MONTHS, UH, WE'RE FINALIZING THE, THE UHT CRITERIA, UM, THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
WE ARE MEETING WITH COUNCIL DISTRICTS, UH, GETTING FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL OFFICE.
UH, WE'RE DOING ENGAGEMENTS, UH, WITH THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, AND, UH, SO HERE, HERE'S JUST A, A, A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UH, THE NEXT STEPS.
UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THE BOND ELECTION, WE ARE ANTICIPATING IN MAY, 2024, UH, FOR FINAL ELECTION.
OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS NOVEMBER OF 24, NO.
UM, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE SUBMITTING MAY, 2024.
UM, I, I THINK IT, IT WILL BE MORE COSTLY DURING, UH, NOVEMBER, SEPTEMBER.
UM, SO THEY, I, I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN REASON WHY THEY, THEY DECIDED TO DO MAY OF 2024, BUT IF MAY OF 2024, THERE WON'T, WE WON'T HAVE ANY CO THERE WON'T BE ANY COUNCIL ELECTIONS.
THERE WON'T BE ANY, I MEAN THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY THING, IT'D BE POTENTIALLY D I S D AND INTERESTING.
I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO, OKAY, SO JUST SO THAT COULD STILL CHANGE.
SO YOU, THAT YOU'RE, YEAH, WELL THAT'S A COUNCIL DECISION CUZ COUNCIL HAS TO CALL FOR THE ELECTION AND THE VOTERS.
AND WHAT THERE WILL NOT NE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SIX DIFFERENT SUBCOMMITTEES.
IT'S NOT LIKE THAT MEANS SIX PROPOSALS.
THEY CAN HAVE IT DIVIDED UP IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR HOUSING OR OUT OF OURS.
WE COULD CLUMP, CLUMP OURS AS LIBRARIES.
THEY VOTE ON LIBRARIES, THEY VOTE ON ARTS FACILITIES, THEY VOTE ON, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.
SO, AND THAT, THAT WILL BE ALL PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS GOING FORWARD.
UM, I, I THINK WE, WE ARE THE ONES, SOME OF THE ONES TO CONSIDER AS AN ADVISORY COUNCIL, LIKE HOW WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, UM, LUMP THE DIFFERENT FACILITIES, BUT THEN THAT'LL BE THE COUNCIL'S DECISION AS WELL.
SO, SORRY, THAT WAS KIND OF TO BE COVERED EARLIER.
SO, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, NO, NO.
THAT'S, UM, AND THAT, AND IT'S ALL, IT'S USUALLY ON THE, ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT TOO.
HOW, A TWO PART QUESTION, UH, AND THE SECOND PART DEPENDS ON THE FIRST, UM, HOW ARE SLICE OF THE POT FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE VERSUS SLICES OF OTHER POLES WHO ARE WORKING IN THE BUILDING? IS THAT FUNGIBLE? IS THAT WHAT YOU DO AT THE MEETING OF CHAIRS, SO TO SPEAK? IS IS TRY TO GET MORE DOLLARS PER HOUR SLOTS OF THE PIE? UM, YEAH, POTENTIALLY.
BUT IT REALLY, THAT'S KIND OF THE COUNCIL'S GONNA MAKE THAT BIG DECISION.
UM, AND WHEN WE COULD ADVOCATE, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WHEN WE, OUR PROJECTS THAT WE RECOMMEND, IF THEY DECIDE WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS THAT THEY WANNA INCLUDE THAT ARE BELOW THAT, THE BUDGETED AMOUNT, THEY MAY, THEY WILL INCLUDE IT.
LIKE PARKS GOT A LOT MORE MONEY IN 17.
BOBBY AND TAHI DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF GETTING PARKS MORE MONEY.
HE WAS ADVOCATED FOR THEN, THEN IT WAS INITIALLY BUDGETED.
SO BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF LEVERAGE THAT WAS AVAILABLE FROM PARKS, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THERE WAS PRO READY, SHOVEL-READY PROJECTS.
WE, THE COMMUNITY WANTED, YOU KNOW, MORE PARKS.
AND SO THAT HAPPENED AND THAT KIND OF HAPPENED AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.
BUT WE CAN ADVOCATE AND WE CAN ADVOCATE, YOU COULD GO BACK TO YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS
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THAT YOU'RE HERE REPRESENTING AND SAYING, LOOK, WE'RE ONLY GIVING THIS MUCH MONEY, BUT WE REALLY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD USE MORE BECAUSE OF THESE IMPORTANT, UM, FACILITIES.WELL, AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
UH, BASED ON THAT ANSWER, WE HAVE UM, AN OUTSIZED CHUNK OF MONEY IN, IN OUR PORTFOLIO, RIGHT? FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY RIGHT.
PIECE THAT, AND UH, SO I WOULD SAY MAYBE THIS IS OUR BOBBY OF TAHI GEAR.
UH, WE HAVE GREAT NEEDS IN THE ARTS.
WE HAVE GREAT NEEDS IN A LOT OF PUBLIC FACING FACILITIES AND THAT'S ONLY ONE OF THEM.
BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEDICATE A CHUNK TO THAT, RIGHT? SO WHAT DO WE DO TO HELP YOU? HOW DO WE SCHEME TO GET, AND ANOTHER TO TO POINT OUT TOO, THAT I BELIEVE ANY IMPROVEMENTS WITH IT IS GONNA COME THROUGH CRITICAL FACILITIES TOO.
AND WE ALL JUST HEARD THAT WE MIGHT NEED SOME, UM, MAJOR MAINTENANCE RELATED TO IT.
I THINK THAT CAME UP LAST TIME.
SO WE WILL BE BRIEFING, THAT WILL BE A, THERE'S A DEDICATED NIGHT FOR THAT BRIEFING.
UM, IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY'S AND IT, UH, BUT, BUT, BUT THAT'S A HUGE NEED FOR THE CITY AT THIS POINT.
SO WE'RE GONNA, THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS.
SO I THINK WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, I THINK SEE WHAT THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND SEE HOW THE SCORING'S LOOKING.
BUT ANY WORK YOU CAN DO WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO GARNER MORE SUPPORT, UH, REMEMBER THIS IS GONNA HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE VOTERS.
THE VOTERS ARE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE THIS IS A GREAT NEED OR NOT.
AND THEN THE, AND WORKING WITH YOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, CUZ THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKERS ON, ON HOW MUCH MONEY GETS IN EACH BUCKET.
THIS SLIDE 18, IS THAT SAYING THAT'S AN INITIAL ALLOCATION THE BOSS CITY COUNCIL HAS COME UP WITH FOR THESE? THAT'S I THINK MORE, WHEN YOU SAY MORE STAFF CAME UP WITH THAT THEY USED THE LAST BOND PROGRAM FOR THOSE ALLOCATIONS.
OH, THIS IS THE LAST BOND, NOT THIS ONE.
UH, NO, THEY, THEY USED THE SAME PERCENTAGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN THE, IN THAT BOND PROGRAM.
AND ON SLIDE 18, I HAD QUESTION, I NOTICED THERE WASN'T ANY MONEY BY FAIR PARK.
IS IS FAIR PARK PART OF THE BAR? WELL, FAIR PARK, UM, IT WAS PART OF THE LAST BOND PROGRAM, BUT IT IS NOW PART OF THE, UM, BRINER BILL, WHICH IS A D DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCE.
UM, UH, THE PROP A THAT WAS PASSED MM-HMM
SO IT'S, IT'S PACKAGED IN WITH THE FAIR PARK AND THE CONVENTION CENTER.
SO, SO MONEY FROM THIS BOND, WHAT, WHAT WILL NOT NEED TO BE GOING? THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS THERE.
I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S NOT NEEDS THERE, BUT IT WON'T, IT'S NOT COMING OUTTA THIS BOND PROGRAM.
IT'S GONNA BE LUMPED IN WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER WE HAD, UM, WELL I GUESS IT'S NOT, IT WE, WE, WE GOT THE APPROVAL THAT THE BRIMER BILL TAX PERCENTAGE COULD BE USED IN THE BONDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
YOU CAN ISSUE BONDS CUZ YOU HAVE A REV.
SOMEBODY WILL NEED TO ADVOCATE FOR FAIR PARK THOUGH ON THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM TO BE SURE THAT MONIES ARE EQUITABLY DISPERSED.
THE PROFIT PASSED THE VOTERS, SO THEY, THEY, THAT REVENUES STARTING TO COME IN.
UM, I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
WE'LL GET A FOLLOW UP EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU WITH A LINK TO A DOODLE OR, OR SOME KIND OF, UH, WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS IT? DOODLE DOODLE DOODLE.
UM, TO FIND OUT, UM, TO OUR, IF THERE'S, IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, STAFF IS AVAILABLE, I'M AVAILABLE.