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PLEASE.[2024 Bond CBTF Meeting on May 25, 2023. ]
THIS PRESENTATION WAS PREPARED WITH THE INTENT TO EDUCATE AND INFORM THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS ABOUT STORMWATER DRAINAGE AND HOW WE OPERATE OUR SYSTEM AND THE NEEDS AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE ON OUR HANDS.SO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE EXPLAIN, UH, SOME BASIC CONCEPTS ABOUT STORMWATER, FLOODING, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF MANAGING THESE COMPONENTS.
UH, WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF THE DALLAS STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND HOW WE OPERATE THAT SYSTEM, AND ALSO UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S HEALTH AND SAFETY BENEFITS OBTAINED FROM FLOOD PROTECTION AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND, AND THEN WE'LL BE INTRODUCING TO THE TYPE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND NEEDS THAT WE HAVE.
SO, I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH SOME BASIC INFORMATION ABOUT STORMWATER.
UH, THERE'S TWO PRIMARILY CONCEPTS THAT WE GONNA CONTINUE TALKING IN THIS PRESENTATION, UH, WHICH IS STORMWATER RUNOFF.
AND IN PREVIOUS SURFACES, STORMWATER IS RUNOFF, UH, IS FROM PRECIPITATION THAT FLOWS OVER SURFACES INTO THE DRAINING SYSTEM.
AND THEN IN PREVIOUS SURFACES, LIKE ROOFS AND PAVEMENT DON'T ALLOW STORMWATER TO SOAK INTO THE SOIL.
SO, UH, WHAT I LIKE TO EXPLAIN THIS IN MORE DETAIL IS IF WE COMPARE A SOCCER FIELD, A GREEN SPACE, WITH A CONCRETE PARKING LOT, WHEN IT RAINS OVER THE SOCCER FIELDS, THE GREEN SPACES, THE WATER WILL PENETRATE INTO THE GROUND AND WILL SOAK INTO THE GROUND AND WILL BE STORED AS SUPPOSED TO.
WHEN WE GET RAIN OVER A CONCRETE PARKING LOT, THE WATER, UH, RAINWATER CANNOT PENETRATE THE GROUND, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A HARD SURFACE.
AND, UM, SO THE WATER WILL REMAIN ON THE SURFACE AND WILL, WILL MANEUVER TO ITS LOWEST SECTIONS, ELEVATION OF THE, OF THE AREA THAT BECOMES WHAT WE CALL STORMWATER RUNOFF.
AND THE, UH, HARD SURFACES THAT CAN BE PENETRATED IS WHAT WE CALL IMPERVIOUS SURFACES.
SO ALL THE RAINWATER THAT CAN'T PENETRATE THE GROUND NEEDS TO BE MANAGED TO PREVENT FLOODING, REDUCE EROSION, AND PROTECT THE QUALITY OF WATER BUDDIES.
SO IF WE SEE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, YOU SEE THE, UH, HOME AND STRUCTURE, AND YOU SEE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY AND SOME GREEN AREA AROUND THE HOUSE.
SO WHEN IT'S RAINING, UH, THE WATER GETS ON THE ROOFTOPS AND INTO THE, THE DRIVEWAYS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY MAKES IT TO THE STREET, AND IT GOES TO THE INLET.
AND WE HAVE AN UNDERGROUND, UH, SYSTEM THAT WILL CARRY THE WATER TO THE NEAREST STREAM.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE CALL MANAGING OUR RUNOFF EFFECTIVELY.
SO WHY DOES FLOODING OCCUR? UH, THERE'S DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.
SO THE MAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, MESSAGE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE, IF IT'S RAINING TOO HARD AND TOO FAST, MOST LIKELY IT'S GONNA CREATE SOME ISSUES IN SOME AREAS.
UH, UPSTREAM RESERVOIR RELEASES BLOCKAGES AND PIPES AND CREEKS.
IF THE UNDERGROUND PIPE SYSTEM IS, IS BLOT, IT'S OBSTRUCTING WATER, SO THE WATER WILL NOT GO IN AND WILL REMAIN ON THE SURFACE, CREATING FLOODING, IF WE HAVE
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AN UNDERSIDE SYSTEM, PIPE IS TOO SMALL, THE WATER PIPE WILL BE FULL OF WATER PRETTY QUICK, AND WATER CAN'T GO IN, THE WATER WILL REMAIN ON THE SURFACE.AND, UM, STREAM OVERFLOW ARE EXAMPLES OF TYPES OF FLOODING.
SO THE MOST COMMON REPORTS THAT WE HAVE IN DALLAS ARE STREET FLOODING AND HOUSE FLOODING.
IF YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, THIS PICTURE WAS TAKING NOT TOO LONG AGO, ABOUT A MONTH AGO, ALONG VANDERVILLE BETWEEN CONSCIOUS STREET AND SKILLMAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WATER ALMOST TO THE LEVEL OF THE WINDOW.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, 1824 INCHES OF WATER.
SO THE STREET, UH, LOOKING AT THE VIDEOS SEEMED LIKE WE HAD A RIVER GOING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO FLOODING CAN OCCUR ANYWHERE.
SO WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE OUR RESIDENTS TO PURCHASE, UH, FLOOD INSURANCE BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS WILL MOST LIKELY CREATE FLOODING, LIKE IF IT'S RAINING TOO HARD, TOO FAST.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAVE AN UNDERSIDE SYSTEM, OR EVEN IF YOUR SYSTEM IS OKAY, BUT IF IT'S BLOCKED, IF THERE'S AN OBSTRUCTION, YOU COULD GET FLOODING.
SO WITH, WITH THAT, UH, CITY, UH, THAT WAS WHAT A UTILITIES IS PART OF THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM THROUGH FEMA IN WHICH, UH, WE ARE CLASS RATED FOR WHICH THAT REPRESENTS A COST SAVINGS TO THE RESIDENTS.
THEY PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN, THEY GET 30% DISCOUNT PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN, THEY GET A 10% DISCOUNT.
SO, IF YOU SEE THIS PICTURE, UH, THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE BEHIND THIS BUILDING I 30, AND THIS WAS AS A RESULT OF THE, UH, AUGUST 22ND, 2022.
AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, WE HAD A HISTORICAL RAINFALL EVENT THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE SINCE 1930S.
SO SOME PARTS OF DALLAS RECEIVED UP TO 15 INCHES OF RAIN.
AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE FAR RIGHT, TWO INDIVIDUALS SWIMMING AWAY FROM SUBMERGE VEHICLES TRYING TO SAVE THEIR LIVES.
AND THEN WE HAVE TWO OTHER INDIVIDUALS BEING RESCUED BY FIRE AND D P D.
SO PEOPLE LIVES ARE AT RISK BECAUSE INADEQUATE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE.
BY HAVING ADEQUATE FLOOD PROTECTION AND DRAINAGE, WE SAVE LIVES.
THIS IS ANOTHER IMAGE FROM, UH, THE, THE NEWS BACK ON AUGUST 22ND.
LAST YEAR, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE RESCUED, AND UNFORTUNATELY, ONE FATALITY WAS REPORTED IN CITY OF MESQUITE.
UM, AND PICTURE ON THE RIDE YOU SEE SOME MERGE VEHICLES AS WELL.
UH, DRIVERS HAD TO BE RESCUED FROM FLOODED WATERS.
ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE A VEHICLE SUBMERGE IN WATER, AND ALSO IN THE FIRE FAR BACK YOU SEE, UH, BUSINESSES THAT GOT FLOODED.
AND ON THE RIGHT YOU SEE THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH VEHICLE SMIRCH ON THE WATER, AND THEN PROPERTIES GOT WATER UP TO FOUR FEET.
A GOOD EXAMPLE IS, UH,
THEY GOT WATER BETWEEN FOUR SIX FEET OF WATER INSIDE THEIR HOMES.
SO BY HAVING ADEQUATE FLOOD PROTECTION AND DRAINAGE, WE PREVENT NOT ONLY SAVE LIVES, BUT ALSO PREVENT PROPERTY LOSS.
THESE ARE JUST MORE PICTURES THAT WERE TAKING NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UH, SPRING GROVE IN MAY, 2019, YOU SEE THE REST OF THE INDIVIDUAL OPENING THE, THE GATE OF HIS BACKYARD, TRYING TO GET SOME WATER OUT OF HIS PROPERTY.
VANDERVILLE AGAIN IN 2022 AND MONTICELLO A MONTH AGO, YOU COULD SEE ALL THESE SCENARIOS WHERE WATER GOING THROUGH THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, LIKE IF IT'S A, UH, A STREAM GOING THROUGH THOSE STREETS.
HERE I WANT TO, UH, MAKE APPRENTICES AND TALK ABOUT THREE 12.
UH, THIS IS LOCATED NORTH OF I 30 BETWEEN FITSU AND HASKELL.
UH, UH, THE WOMAN IN THE PICTURE, UH, MS. GLORIA ALVAREZ IS A LOVELY WOMAN WHO HAS LIVED ON AL STREET FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
MS. ALVAREZ LIVES WITH FOUR CHILDREN, 2, 3, 12, AND 14 YEARS OLD, AND HER MOTHER IS 72 YEARS OLD.
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AUGUST 22ND OF LAST YEAR, AS YOU KNOW, DALLAS EXPERIENCED A HISTORICAL RAINFALL EVENT BRINGING MORE THAN 15 INCHES OF RAIN.IN SOME AREAS
SO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PICTURE, UH, MS. ALVAREZ POINTING TO THE WATER LEVEL MARKS IN HER PROPERTY, AND YOU SEE ALL THE FURNITURE AND PERSONAL BELONGINGS IN, IN THE FRONT AS A RESULT OF THE FLOODING.
SO, UH, FAMILIES LOST MOST OF THEIR BELONGINGS, INCLUDING VEHICLES, APPLIANCES, AND FURNITURE TO WATER DAMAGE.
MS. ALVAREZ SHARED HER LIFE EXPERIENCE AND WANTED US TO SHARE IT WITH YOU TONIGHT.
UH, THE NIGHT, THE NIGHT OF AUGUST 21ST, PREVIOUS TO THE FLASH FLOODING EVENT, MS. ALVAREZ PUT HER KIDS TO BED AT 2:15 AM SHE RECEIVED A CALL FROM ONE OF HER NEIGHBORS, URGING HER TO EVACUATE HER HOME AS THE ENTIRE STREET WAS FLOODED.
AS MRS. ALVAREZ GOT OUT OF BED, THE WATER LEVEL INSIDE HER HOME WAS ABOVE HER KNEES.
MS. MS. ALVAREZ QUICKLY WOKE UP HER KIDS AND MOTHER, AND THEY ALL STARTED EVACUATING AS THEY STEPPED OUT OF THE HOUSE, THE WATER LEVEL REACHED AROUND HER NECK.
MRS. ALVAREZ GOT ONE OF HER KIDS ON HER SHOULDERS WHILE SHE HUGGED THE YOUNGEST CHILD AGAINST HER CHEST.
AT THE SAME TIME, HER MOTHER WAS HOLDING HER ARM AND STARTED WALKING TO THEIR VEHICLE WHILE THE TWO OLDER KIDS HAD TO SWIM TO THEIR CAR.
LUCKILY, MRS. ALVAREZ COULD GET TO THEIR VEHICLE MANEUVERED TO GET ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE CAR AND DROVE AWAY DESPITE THE FLOODED WATERS.
UNFORTUNATELY, MRS. ALVAREZ HAS EXPERIENCED FOUR SIMILAR MAJOR FLOODING EVENTS SINCE SHE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
MRS. ALVAREZ CARES DEEPLY ABOUT HER COMMUNITY AND WANTS TO MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS ARE SAFE AND DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS LIFE-THREATENING EXPERIENCE.
MRS. ALVAREZ VOLUNTEERED TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FLOOD PROTECTION STORM DRAINAGE SUBCOMMITTEE, AND SHE'S ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS.
I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVIDING ADEQUATE STORM DRAINAGE RELIEF AND FLOOD MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AS THEY SAVE LIVES AND PREVENTS PROPERTY LOSS.
THE COMPLETION OF THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL, AS YOU MAY HEARD ABOUT THIS PROJECT, UH, WILL PROVIDE TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO OUR CAL STREET AREA, BUT WE HAVE OTHER AREAS WITH SIMILAR ISSUES THAT NEED HELP AND PRIORITY IN THE BOMB PROGRAM.
SO, LET'S TALK ABOUT, UH, TEXAS DRAINAGE WATERSHED TO SEE HOW THE WATER FLOWS THROUGH DALLAS.
SO, CITY OF DALLAS, UH, SITS ON THE TRINI RIVER BASIN.
UH, WE ARE ONE OF, UH, 23 MAJOR TEXAS WATERSHEDS, AND IT EXTENDS FROM OKLAHOMA TO GULF OF MEXICO, MEANING THAT ALL THE WATER TRAVELING, UH, FLOWING THROUGH DALLAS WILL EVENTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE GULF OF MEXICO.
IF WE WANNA GET CLOSER TO DALLAS.
UH, WE HAVE FOUR MAJOR TRINITY WATERSHEDS, UM, AND 32 DEFINED WATERSHEDS.
SO ALL THE DIFFERENT SHAPES IN GRAY COLOR ON THE MAP, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT DRAINAGE AREAS THAT ARE COMPOSED, COMPOSED WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, THE FOUR MAJOR TRINITY WATERSHED WATERSHEDS ARE L FOUR WEST FORK, THE MAINSTEM TRINITY RIVER, AND THE EAST FORK.
AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE PICTURE, THE LFOR TRINITY, UH, TRAVELS FROM NORTH SOUTH, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE WILL CONNECT WITH WEST FORK, TRINITY RIVER, WHERE WHAT THEY MERGE.
IT'S WHAT WE CALL AND CONVERTS TO THE TRINI RIVER.
AND THEN THE L FOUR TRINI RIVER IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF DALLAS.
SO BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR DRAINAGE, UH, SYSTEM, WHAT WE HAVE ON HANDS, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME HISTORY OF URBANIZATION IN DALLAS.
THE MAJORITY OF THE DRAINAGE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR SYSTEM ARE ASSOCIATED WITH AREAS THAT WERE DEVELOPED PRIOR TO CURRENT DRAINAGE STANDARDS.
THE CURRENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, IT'S WHAT WE CALL HUNDRED YEAR STANDARDS, WHICH IS
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A HUNDRED YEAR STORM.WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S A, A STATISTIC, A STATISTIC, UH, PROBABILITY, UH, OF A RAINFALL EVENT, THAT 1%, UH, PROBABILITY OF OCCURRING IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, UH, AND FOR COMPARISON, A FIVE YEAR STORM HAS A 20% CHANCE OF OCCURRING IN ANY GIVEN YEAR.
THE, UH, RAINFALL CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE IN DALLAS, FOR THE MOST PART, ARE WHAT WE CALL A FIVE, TEN, FIFTY, FIFTY YEAR, A 15 YEAR STORM, UH, IN DALLAS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, AS YOU KNOW, DALLAS, IT'S A, IT'S AN OLD CITY.
SO SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WAS DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
UM, IN THE PICTURE, YOU SEE THE RED DOTS REPRESENT FLOOD PROTECTION AND STORM DRAINAGE NEEDS INVENTORY POINTS.
SO ALL OF OUR NEEDS INVENTORY ARE REPRESENTED BY RED DOTS.
AND THEN THE DIFFERENT COLORS ARE THE, UH, UH, THE, THE DRAINING STANDARDS THAT WE HAD OVER TIME.
UH, BACK IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, OUR, OUR DRAINING STANDARDS WERE, UH, DEFINED TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD BACK THEN.
BACK IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, WE HAD LARGE GREEN SPACES WITH SMALL STRUCTURES, WHICH MEANS THE WATER WAS PENETRATED THE GROUND AND DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH RUNOFF AND AS DEVELOPMENT MODERNIZED AND CHANGED TO WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHICH IS LARGE STRUCTURES WITH SMALL GREEN AREAS.
UH, WE ALSO UPGRADED OUR DESIGN STANDARDS TO WHAT WE CALL TODAY A HUNDRED YEAR STANDARDS.
SO BASED ON THIS MAP, WE REPRESENT OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR PROGRESSION IN OUR DRAINAGE STANDARDS.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE GREEN REPRESENTS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTED BACK IN THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS, 1920S, THIRTIES.
SO 85% OF OUR DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SUBSTANDARD IN SIZE.
SO, JUST WHAT IS OUR GOAL FROM A STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE? IT, OUR GOAL IS TO CONVEY RAINWATER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE TRINITY RIVER.
AND WE DO THAT THROUGH OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF 1900 MILES OF STORM SEWERS, EIGHT MAJOR PUMP STATIONS, ABOUT 600 AND ABOUT SEVEN, 700 MILES OF CREEK CHANNELS, 39,000 ACRES OF FLOODPLAIN, SIX PRESSURE SEWERS, AND 30 MILES OF LEVY SYSTEMS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
SO JUST TO RECAP, UH, THE COMPONENTS OF OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS TO COLLECT AND CONTAIN THE RUNOFF FROM RAINSTORM EVENTS.
THAT'S TO REDUCE FLOODING, PROTECT PROPERTY AND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE HIERARCHY OF THE DRAINAGE COMPONENTS.
WE HAVE THE LOCAL INLETS AND SYSTEMS, AS YOU SEE ON THE PICTURE, ON THE RIGHT WHEN IT'S RAINING THE WATER.
WE'LL GET IN ONE OF THIS AND THEN IT WILL TRAVEL TO AN UNDERGROUND SYSTEM.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'LL MAKE IT TO A MUCH LARGER SYSTEM, LIKE A CHANNEL OR A INTERCEPTOR THAT IS COLLECTING MOST OF THE WATER THAT WILL EVENTUALLY MAKE IT TO STREAM.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL EVENTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE SUM SYSTEMS AND PUMP STATIONS, AND WE'LL PUMP IT INTO THE TRINI RIVER.
SO, STORMWATER DRAINAGE MANAGEMENT.
SO NOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, UH, A UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, WHAT WE HAVE ON HAND, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MANAGE IT? HOW DO WE OPERATE OUR SYSTEM? WELL, WE HAVE FOUR MAJOR GROUPS THAT HELP US DO THIS WORK.
THE FIRST ONE IS FLOODWAY OPERATIONS.
FLOODWAY OPERATIONS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FLOOD CONTROL, AND WE HAVE, UH, UH, FLOOD CONTROL SCADA SYSTEM.
YOU SEE THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT.
WE HAVE, UH, WHAT WE CALL OUR BRAIN OF OUR OPERATION.
WE HAVE A COMPUTERIZED SYSTEM THAT IS HOOKED TO THE LARGER INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THE, UH, PUMP STATIONS ALONG THE TRI RIVER.
WE ALSO HAVE CONNECTIONS TO, UH, ABOUT NINE, UH, STREET PUMP STATIONS.
UH, WE ALSO MANAGE AND, AND MAINTAIN ABOUT 44, UH, FLOODED.
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PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, WE HAVE ABOUT 84 RAINFALL GAUGES ACROSS DALLAS.SO WE HAVE VALUABLE INSTRUMENTATION THAT WILL HELP US MONITOR STORMS, AND WE DO THAT.
WE, UH, HAVE A TECHNICAL TEAM PREPARING FOR STORMS BEFORE STORMS, UH, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF ELECTRICIANS, MECHANICS, AND CREWS THAT ARE OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS HELPING, RESPONDING TO PHONE CALLS.
AND IF THERE'S, UH, SOMETHING NOT WORKING CORRECTLY, WE CAN FLAG IT IN OUR COMPUTER AND SEND OUR TECHNICIANS TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE.
SO WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE BRAIN OF OUR SYSTEM IS HERE, AND IT'S VERY CRITICAL WE STAY IN COORDINATION WITH, UH, UM, D P D AND, AND, AND FIRE, UH, ALL THE FEDERAL STATE AGENCIES WITH THE CORE OF ENGINEERS SO THAT WE CAN KEEP OUR SYSTEM RUNNING.
SO THIS, THIS SAME GROUP MAINTAINED WHAT WE CALL THE DALLAS FLOOD WAVE FLOODWAY EXTENSION ALONG THE TRI RIVER IS WHAT WE CALL THE INTERIOR DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, UH, WE, WE CAN SEE THE DALLAS DOWNTOWN BUILDINGS, AND WE HAVE THE BRIDGE, AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WATER CONTAINED WITH OUR, OUR 30 MILES OF LEVY SYSTEM.
OUR GOAL IS TO BRING ALL THE WATER FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES AND PUT IT HERE IN A SAFE PLACE.
THIS IS ANOTHER GRAPHIC SHOWING THE SAME, THE INTERIOR DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
YOU CAN SEE THE SHADE SHADED COLOR AREAS THAT REPRESENT THE DRAINAGE AREAS WHERE THE WATER IS COMING TO THE SUMP SYSTEM ALONG THE TRINITY RIVER.
THE YELLOW LINES REPRESENT THE, THE TOE OF THE LEVEES.
WE HAVE THE, UH, EAST FORK, UH, THE EASTBANK, YEAH, EAST FORK AND WEST FORK COMING TOGETHER, AND THEN BECOMES THE TRINITY RIVER.
YOU CAN SEE, UH, THE, UH, RED DOTS.
THOSE ARE THE PUMP STATIONS THAT WE HAVE.
AND WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 12 PROJECTS IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IN COORDINATION WITH OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS, THE CORE OF ENGINEERS, AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FLOOD PROTECTION TO DALLAS.
UH, WE HAVE THE TRINITY PORTLAND PUBLIC STATION.
ON THE CONSTRUCTION, WE ARE EXTENDING THE LAMAR AND KALA HEIGHTS LEVY SYSTEMS. SO ALL THESE LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN SAY IT'S READY TO SUPPORT CITY OF DALLAS.
SO THE GAP THAT WE NEED TO CONNECT IS TO BRING THE WATER FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS QUICKLY ENOUGH TO GET IT INTO THIS AREA AND PUMP INTO THE TRINITY RIVER.
SO THE NEXT SECOND GROUP WE HAVE IS NEIGHBORHOOD DRAINAGE SERVICES.
THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO INSPECT, MAINTAIN, AND REPAIR CITYWIDE STORM DRAINAGE.
THESE, THESE ARE OUR FIELD CREWS.
THEY GET PHONE CALLS, THEY GO AND RESPOND TO, UH, FLOODING CALLS, DRAINAGE ISSUES, QUESTIONS.
UH, WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO CLEAN INLETS TO, UH, REMOVE BLOCKAGES FROM OUR SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SYSTEM IS OPERATING THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE.
AND THEY ALSO, UH, ENSURE THAT WE STAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE, WITH THE MS FOUR PERMIT.
SO THE THIRD GROUP THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF THE STORMWATER OPERATIONS IS THE FLOOD PLANE MANAGEMENT.
THEY PROVIDE SUPPORT TO PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SECTORS FOR DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE PERMITS, ALL THE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN ANY FLOODPLAIN AREAS, THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEY STAY AWAY FROM THOSE AREAS AS THOSE PROVIDE, UH, ADDITIONAL FLOOD PROTECTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO THEY ARE MONITORING THOSE, THOSE AREAS.
AND THEY ALSO RESPOND TO PHONE CALLS FROM OUR, UH, RESIDENTS ABOUT DRAINAGE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.
UH, WE SEND THEM OUT TO DO ENGINEERING ASSESSMENTS AND DO THE RATING FORMS TO MAKE IT EVENTUALLY INTO THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO, UH, AS FAR AS THE FLOOD PLANE, WE HAVE IN OUR CONTROL ABOUT 39,000 ACRES.
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, THE RED BUILDINGS ARE AFFECTED BY FLOODING.
UH, WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, BASED ON FEMA RECORDS, ABOUT 3,500 FLOODPLAIN INSURANCE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE IN DALLAS AND 62 UNMITIGATED REPETITIVE LOSS PROPERTIES.
AND ON THE ANNUAL BASIS, WE SEND ABOUT 30,000
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LETTERS FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN RISK OF FLOODING.SO THE FOURTH GROUP WE HAVE IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR, UH, WHEN THE PROJECTS MOVE FROM THE NEEDS INVENTORY TO A REAL PROJECT, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE TO PROVIDE THE ENGINEERING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S FOR THE BENEFIT OF PROVIDING PROPERTY LOSS PREVENTION, UH, FLOOD RESPONSE, COST REDUCTION, AND ANY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED.
SO THE THREE CATEGORIES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY AND THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BOOKS IS THREE PROJECT, TWO, THREE TYPE TYPES OF PROJECTS, FLOOD MANAGEMENT, STONE DRAINAGE RELIEF, AND EROSION CONTROL.
SO, ALL THESE FOUR GROUPS, THEY, UH, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH T C Q E P A AND THE ARMY CORPSE OF ENGINEERS.
SO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE AGENCIES.
WE ALSO, UH, WE GET AUDITED ON A REGULAR BASIS BY FEMA AND EPA AND T C E Q.
AND AS A RESULT OF, UH, INSPECTIONS, NOT ONLY AUDITS, BUT INSPECTIONS, WE SOMETIMES IMPLEMENT SYSTEMIC LEVY AND DAM IMPROVEMENTS IN RES RESPONSE TO THOSE INSPECTIONS.
SO CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE AS FAR AS THE NEEDS INVENTORY, WE WE'RE SITTING ON A TWO AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS OF NEEDS FOR STORMWATER.
SO, UM, THE THREE CATEGORIES THAT I JUST DESCRIBED IT, WE HAVE FLOOD MANAGEMENT, 1.3 BILLION, UH, FOR STORM DRAINAGE RELIEF SYSTEM.
AND FOR EROSION CONTROL, 72.8 MILLION.
YOU CAN SEE ON THE PIPE CHART THE, THE BREAKDOWN OF THOSE THREE CATEGORIES.
SO THESE ARE JUST EXAMPLES OF THOSE THREE CATEGORIES.
UH, THIS IS FOR FLOOD MANAGEMENT PROJECT, ANY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HELP US MANAGE, UH, FLOOD, WHICH COULD BE, UH, COULD BE A, A CREEK IMPROVEMENT.
IT COULD BE ALSO A STREET, UH, PALM STATION.
ANY IMPROVEMENT THAT WOULD HELP US MANAGE FLOW FALLS UNDER THIS CATEGORY.
YOU SEE ON THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, HOW DID THE, UH, THE CREEK WAS APPEARED TO BE UNDERSIZED AND DETERIORATED.
AND DURING CONSTRUCTION, WE HAD A MAJOR FLOOD, AND LUCKILY WE HAD IT ALREADY ALMOST COMPLETE AND PROVIDED PROTECTION TO THOSE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE CREEK.
ANOTHER PICTURE ON THE RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
THE SECOND CATEGORY IS THE STORM DRAINAGE RELIEF PROJECT.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE UNDERSIZED SYSTEMS THAT TWO SMALL, SMALL, YOU KNOW, GETS WATER, GET, GET, GET FULL PRETTY QUICK.
AND ONCE THE PIPES ARE FULL, IT CAN'T TAKE MORE WATER.
AND SO THIS PROJECT, WE HAD TO, UH, WE HAD A COLLAPSE, STRUCTURAL DEFECTS AND UNDERSIZED SYSTEM.
WE ENDED UP, UH, UPSIZING, UH, THIS PIPELINE TO CREATE MORE CAPACITY.
WE WENT, UH, FROM 48 INCHES TO 60 INCHES OF REINFORCED CONCRETE PIPE TO PROVIDE, UH, BETTER, UH, MORE CAPACITY, BETTER DRAINAGE RELIEF FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE THIRD CATEGORY IS EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE PROTECTING, UM, UH, PROPERTIES ALONG THE CREEK.
AS YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW, THERE'S, THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE BACK IN 1985, WHICH ALLOWS THE CITY TO PROVIDE THESE TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, UM, THROUGH A BOND PROGRAM.
AND THIS EXAMPLE OF PROJECTS WE HAVE, YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT, HOW THE CREEK BANK IS, IS ERODED, AND THE, UH, IT'S HARD TO SEE, BUT THERE'S A STRUCTURE THAT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK, AND WITH THE RISK OF FALLING INTO THE CREEK, LOSING THAT STRUCTURE.
SO WHAT THIS DOES, IT PROVIDES, UH, UH, PROTECTION BY BUILDING SOME SORT OF, UH, GA STRUCTURE SO THAT WE CAN BRING BACK, DELINEATE THE CREEK IN A WAY THAT IS SAFE FOR THOSE STRUCTURES AND PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF, UH, FLOOD PROTECTION.
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CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION.UH, MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? YES, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, IN, FOR THE FLOOD PROTECTION AND STORM RANGE, THAT'S CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE NEEDS ANALYSIS FOR THE, THE, I GUESS THE, THE POTENTIAL GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND PACKAGE.
IS THERE A PARTICULAR REASON WHY DALLAS DOESN'T, UH, HAVE, UM, A REVENUE BOND CAPABILITY FOR STORMWATER UTILITIES SIMILAR TO THE DALLAS WATER SYSTEM? HI, JERRY
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.
UP UNTIL 2018, UH, THE STORM DRAINAGE UTILITY WAS PART OF THE GENERAL FUND, SO IT WAS NOT FUNDED SEPARATELY.
UH, IN 2018, UH, WE MOVED STORM DRAINAGE INTO DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, BUT THEY'RE FUNDED SEPARATELY.
THEY OPERATE UNDER DIFFERENT, UH, ORDINANCES IN THE CITY CODE.
AND WE HAVE STARTED TO BUILD ON THAT.
THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR, 2023, THAT THERE HAS ACTUALLY BEEN SOME DEBT FUNDED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN, UH, THE STORM WORLD, STORMWATER WORLD.
WE ONLY HAVE LIKE 30 MILLION FOR THIS YEAR.
SO THE NEEDS WITH THE 2.5 BILLION NEEDS INVENTORY, IT'S SMALL.
UH, WE'VE GOTTEN SOME HELP WITH THE, FROM THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS FOR, AS EDUARDO MENTIONED, SOME OF THE PUMP STATIONS AND THE MAJOR WORKS THAT WILL HELP, UH, HAVE WATER, HAVE A PLACE TO GO ONCE WE START UPSIZING, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH IS WHERE THE MAJOR ISSUE IS.
SO IT IS A PROCESS, AND WE INTEND TO DO THAT OVER TIME, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME TO BUILD.
UH, SOME OF US VISITED A NUMBER OF FACILITIES AND SITES LAST WEEKEND, UH, INCLUDING THE FIVE MILE TUNNEL THAT YOU REFERRED TO.
HOW MUCH MONEY IS REQUIRED TO PUT THAT TUNNEL INTO USE? RIGHT.
UH, THOSE ARE LIKE THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL PROJECT.
THOSE ARE WHAT WE CALL CITYWIDE PROJECTS, BECAUSE NOT ONLY BENEFITS ONE DISTRICT, BUT SEVERAL DISTRICTS.
UM, AND THOSE PROJECTS COULD COST 150, $200 MILLION.
SO THOSE, UH, UH, PROJECTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL WAS, UH, FUNDED IN TWO BOND, UH, PROGRAMS. I THINK 2006, UH, THE DESIGN WAS FUNDED.
AND THEN IN 2012 BOND, THAT WAS, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION WAS FUNDED.
AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT, UH, THOSE TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE VISITED SATURDAY, THAT WE HAD THE, THE TOUR ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, MILL CREEK TUNNEL.
SO IT RE REQUIRED ANOTHER 150 MILLION TO PUT IT INTO USE, THOUGH IT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT'S NOT READY TO, TO DO THE JOB THAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
NO, THE, THE, THE TUNNEL PART WILL BE COMPLETED END OF 2025.
AND THAT TUNNEL, IT'S FUNDED TO BE COMPLETE, AND THAT WILL PROVIDE IMMEDIATE DRAINAGE RELIEF TO THE ADJACENT, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THAT PROJECT WILL BRING A LOT OF BENEFIT, INCLUDING TO AL THE STREET AREA.
THE STORY THAT I, THAT I WAS, UH, TELLING EARLIER IN MY PRESENTATION.
SO THE TUNNEL PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETE END ON 2025.
NOW, FUTURE FACES OF THE LARGER, UH, DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL CONNECT TO THE TUNNEL, WHICH WILL BE PHASE TWO AND THREE, WILL REQUIRE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL OF FUNDING A HUNDRED, 150 MILLION TO CONTINUE IN THAT PATH AND BRING THE BENEFIT OF THE TUNNEL FOR THE, UH, UPSTREAM UH, NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE RISK LETTERS THAT GO OUT AND WHAT, WHAT THOSE SAY AND WHAT, HOW WE SEND THOSE? SURE.
UH, THOSE 30,000 LETTERS THAT WE SEND ANNUALLY IS PART OF THE FEMA PRO PROGRAM.
AND OUR FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT, UH, FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE, UH, TO NOTIFY THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS A FLOOD RISK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST THE NOTIFYING OF THE RISK.
AND ALSO WE NOTIFYING OF THE, UH, UH, NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE IN.
WE, UH, AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE CLASS RATED FOUR AND SOON TO BE CLASS RATE THREE.
UM, AND THAT BRINGS THE BENEFIT OF COST SAVINGS TO THE, UH, RESIDENTS WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
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AND SO, I THINK KIND OF RELATED TO THAT, HOW DO WE DETERMINE, UM, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY WHERE, WHERE WE WILL DO EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS THAT WE MIGHT SURE.WE HAVE, WE HAVE A RATING SYSTEM.
SO EVERY TIME WE GET A PHONE CALL ABOUT EROSION CONTROL ISSUES, WE, UH, SEND OUR ENGINEERING TEAM TO MEET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS SO THAT THEY CAN IDENTIFY THE AREA OF CONCERN.
AND WE HAVE A MATRIX AND WHICH IS A A POINT SYSTEM, AND WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DISTANCE FROM THE STRUCTURE, A LIVING STRUCTURE TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK.
UH, AND BASED ON THAT, WE START GIVING POINTS.
IF WHAT'S IN THE EDGE OF THE CREEK, IT'S A SWIMMING POOL OR A FENCE, THEY ALSO, THOSE STRUCTURES ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, BUT THEY GET A MUCH LOWER POINT.
AND ALSO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE DEPTH OF THE CREEK AND BASICALLY THE PROXIMITY TO THE EDGE OF THE CREEK BANK.
SO WE HAVE A WELL-DEFINED, UH, RATING FORM, AND EVERY TIME WE GET CALLS, WE SEND OUR ENGINEERS, THEY TAKE THE INFORMATION AND THEY BRING IT BACK TO THE OFFICE AND THEN ASSESS AND DETERMINE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE IT'S GONNA FALL.
AND AS WE GET CALLS IN FUTURE RAINFALL CONDITIONS, SOMETIMES WE GET CALLS AND WE GO BACK REMEASURE AND WE READJUST THE POINT SYSTEM THE PRIORITY.
SO IS IT, IT'S PARTLY DEPENDENT ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS UNDERSTANDING THE SYSTEM AND CALLING.
NOT ONLY THAT, WE ALSO HAVE, UH, MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTIONS ALONG THE CREEKS.
LIKE I SAID, WE, WE, UH, HAVE ABOUT 700 MILES OF CREEKS.
AND IF WE, AS WE'RE DOING THOSE INSPECTIONS OR, UH, CLEANING THE CREEKS AND WE SEE SOME OF THAT AND WE FLAG THOSE AREAS THAT ARE IN RISK OF, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STRUCTURE IN RISK OF GETTING INTO THE CREEK.
AND THEN WE TAKE, WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND, AND COMMUNICATE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL.
WELL, I GUESS I'M JUST, WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, ARE WE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH AWARENESS AMONG POTENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS THAT MIGHT NEED, THERE'S, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THIS UPCOMING BOND, WE TOOK OPPORTUNITIES AT EVERY, UH, COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE.
YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE'RE OUT THERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND THE, UH, DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE.
AND WE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATE ABOUT THE EROSION CONTROL.
SOMETIMES WE GET INVITED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WE ATTEND TO THOSE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION.
SO WE TRY TO GET THE WARD OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.
UM, SO I THINK THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION, BUT WHAT WILL WE BE GETTING MUCH MORE DETAILED INFORMATION TO HELP US MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHERE THE NEEDS ARE.
IS THERE A NEEDS INVENTORY THAT WE'VE GOTTEN OR WHAT WE'LL BE GETTING? SURE.
WE HAVE A FULL LIST OF THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND, YOU KNOW, WE GO BACK TO ONE OF THESE SLIDES.
UH, THERE'S I THINK 72 MILLION IDENTIFIED FROM EROSION CONTROL.
SO WE HAVE THE LIST IDENTIFIED, THOSE LOCATIONS ARE IDENTIFIED AND ARE LISTED IN OUR, IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO WE, WE CAN GET THAT THOUGH.
WE HAVE PROVIDED A LIST OF THAT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE THIS EVENING.
SO THEY HAVE A DETAIL LIST OF EVERY ITEM THAT'S LISTED IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO, UM, THE PARK DEPARTMENT JUST BOUGHT AN ACRE FOR A PARKING LOT NEXT TO BACHMAN LAKE FOR A PARKING LOT FOR OUR NEW AQUATIC CENTER.
SO THE FUNDING FOR THE PURCHASE IS DONE.
NEXT STEP IS RFQ RFP WITH SPECS.
SO YOU MENTIONED THAT PART OF WHAT YOU ALL DO IS PROVIDE SUPPORT TO PUBLIC AND PRIVATE ENTITIES SO THEY CAN FIGURE OUT BEST WAYS TO REDUCE STORM WATER ISSUES.
DO YOU ALL HAVE SOMETHING WORK LIKE, SO OUR FOLKS IN THE PARK DEPARTMENT, WHEN THEY WANT TO DO THIS PARKING LOT, LIKE YOUR BEST PRACTICES, KIND OF LIKE A LEAD SILVER, GOLDEN PLATINUM, WHERE IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF FOR ANY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY THAT'S GONNA BUILD A PARKING LOT, WELL, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, THE SUPER PERMEABLE, THIS IS IT.
ALTHOUGH THIS WITH PERMEABLE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, OF SCALING SO THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS, LIKE THE PARK DEPARTMENT CAN KNOW.
BECAUSE ONE THING, UM, THAT, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL IS IF ALSO THERE WAS, AND THERE'S PROBABLY BEEN RESEARCH EPA FUNDED AROUND THIS COUNTRY, AROUND THE COUNTRY WHERE ASSOCIATED COST INCREASES.
CAUSE YOU ASSUME THAT IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE FOR CERTAIN KINDS OF VERY, UM, STORMWATER
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FRIENDLY PARKING LOT DESIGNS HAPPEN.BUT THEN ON THE DEPARTMENT, IF Y'ALL HAD THAT RESEARCH, WE COULD, THEY COULD KNOW, WELL, WE CAN'T HANDLE THIS OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THIS ON THE BOND IF THEY WANT TO DO ONE THIS ON THE MORE EXPENSIVE LIKE STORM WATERS, PLATINUM TYPE THING.
IS THERE ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR CITY DEPARTMENTS BUILDING PARKING LOTS AS FAR AS RECOMMENDING, UH, MATERIAL THAT WILL BE MORE, UH, PERMEABLE MATERIALS FOR PARKING LOTS? I BELIEVE WE HAVE PROVIDED SOME LEVEL OF SUPPORT BY PROVIDING INFORMATION AND DIFFERENT CONCEPTS THAT WILL BE APPLICABLE TO YOUR, UH, THE, THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE A PLAN.
AND, BUT IT GOES MORE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
AND WE USUALLY, UH, NORMALLY GET OUR EXPERTS IN THAT FIELD TO TALK TO ENGINEERS OR PROJECT MANAGERS, UH, AND TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
BUT WE CAN FOR SURE, UH, EXPLORE, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL OF SUPPORT FROM OUR TEAM.
AND SO W W WOULD YOU RECOMMEND, UM, THAT, THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT WORKS WITH THE PLANNING AND DESIGN PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT? WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION FOR SURE, AND THEN EXPLORE WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF, UH, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO BUILD.
AND BASED ON THAT WE CAN RECOMMEND THE BEST PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE, UH, THAT WE ARE AWARE OF, UM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
OR THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVE IN OTHER AREAS.
AND I, THE ONLY BOND RELATED POINT OF MY QUESTION IS IF THEY HAVE THIS NOW IN CASE THEY, CAUSE I REALLY WANT THEM TO DO THAT AT BACHMAN, IT'S IN THE FLOODPLAIN.
UM, ARE, BUT IF IT'S GONNA BE TWICE AS EXPENSIVE, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN FIGURE OUT DO WE HAVE THE FUNDING OR CAN WE GET THE BOND? DO WE NEED BOND FUNDING OR TO ASK FOR CITYWIDE OR WHATEVER DISTRICT SIX BOND FUNDING.
SO MR. DICKEY, WE WORK, UH, VERY CLOSELY WITH PARKS.
A LOT OF OUR, OUR, UH, INTEREST OVERLAP AND WE HAVE A STANDING QUARTERLY MEETING, UH, WITH BOTH OF OUR EXECUTIVE TEAMS WHERE WE GO THROUGH ALL KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT MIGHT INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND HOW WE CAN HELP.
AND AT OUR NEXT QUARTERLY MEETING, I WILL BRING UP THIS ISSUE WITH JOHN AND HOW WE MIGHT KEEP THAT BETTER COORDINATED.
MY, UM, QUESTION OVERLAPS ON YOUR OVERLAPPING, UM, PROGRESS WITH THE PARK DEPARTMENT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A, UH, A PROPERTY THAT IS MANAGED BY ANOTHER DEPARTMENT, LIKE THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, WHERE DOES THE FLOOD MITIGATION OR FLOOD PRODUCTION, DOES THAT COME OUT OF THIS 2.2 BILLION ASK, UM, FOR SOMEBODY LIKE A BACHMAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR DOES THAT COME OUT OF THE PARKS BUDGET TO MITIGATE ANY KINDA LIKE EROSION CONTROL AND I'M JUST USING PARKS CAUSE MR. T'S PARKS, BUT FOR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION IN THE CITY, DOES THAT COME OUT OF THIS OR ARE THEY ON THEIR OWN TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT THEMSELVES? IF IT'S DW PROPERTY, I CAN THINK OF, FOR INSTANCE, IN MY DISTRICT PARKS LAND THAT IS PARKS LAND, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY DW LAND THAT WE'VE DESIGNATED AS, YOU KNOW, PSEUDO PARK PROPERTY.
IF IT'S A, IF IT'S PART OF A BROADER DRAINAGE AREA THAT IT'S IN THE, IN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY TO ADDRESS OR PROVIDE FLOOD PROTECTION THAT MAY ENCOMPASS, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROPERTIES THAT BELONG TO PARKS IN THIS CASE.
UM, SO, UH, SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS AND UH, IF IT'S WITHIN OUR, UM, UM, NEEDS INVENTORY, WE MAY ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE OR ADDED IN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY FOR STORMWATER.
UM, AND THEN SOMETHING THAT WASN'T COVERED THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH ARE WE TALKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS? I MEAN, THIS IS A 2.2 BILLION, I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT WAS SAID ASK, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE WATER COMING IN FROM THE, UH, WEST AND THE NORTH.
HOW MUCH ARE WE WORKING WITH OUR NA LIKE DOES OUR FLOOD AND STORM DRAINAGE MITIGATION PLAN AND THE, AND THE NEEDS INVENTORY WE HAVE HIGHER BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS AREN'T DOING THEIR, THEIR JOB? ARE WE SPEAKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT HIGHLAND PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CITY, ADDISON TO THE NORTH FARMER'S BRANCH, LAKE HIGHLANDS OVER AND SO ON.
HOW MUCH OF THAT ACTUALLY IMPACTS WITH WATER FLOWING SOUTH US? YEAH, WE DO HAVE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT, UH, CONVERSATIONS
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WITH OUR, UH, IN RE IN OUR, IN OUR REGION WITH OTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITIES.WE'RE PART OF OTHER TASK FORCE, UH, MEETINGS THAT WE ALL SHARE OUR NEEDS AND THE THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT JUST THAT SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS AFFECT US AND SOME OF OURS AFFECT FURTHER DOWNSTREAM.
SO, UH, BUT WE TRY TO STAY IN COMMUNICATION AND ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS AND WE KEEP, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT, UM, RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR, UH, NEIGHBORING CITIES.
I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK IS, ARE WE BEARING THE BRUNT OF ANYBODY ELSE'S FAILURES ON, ON THE, THE, THE MONEY WE'RE EXPENDING HERE OR ANYBODY ELSE'S NEGLECT? NO, THE MAJORITY OF OUR NEEDS IS A RESULT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I MENTIONED THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE 85% OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS UNDERSIZED.
UM, SO THAT GOES WITH THE FLOOD PROTECTION AND DRAINAGE RELIEF SYSTEM.
WE HAVE 1.3 TO ONE POINT 15 BILLION.
UM, SO THAT'S WHERE MOST OF OUR NEEDS FALL.
AND IT'S WITHIN CENTRALIZED AREAS OF DALLAS.
IT'S, YOU RECALL THAT MAP ON THE, THE GREEN AREA ON THE, ONE OF MY SLIDES, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF THE NEEDS INVENTORY IS IN THE CENTRAL OF THE DALLAS AREA.
SO THERE'S NO, UH, CLEAR EVIDENCE OR INFORMATION TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE CASE FROM OTHER, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPALITIES OR, YOU KNOW.
YEAH, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION, AUO.
UM, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SUPER IMPORTANT TO MR. MORENO CUZ I THINK THE, THE I'LL CALL PROJECT IS IN OUR DISTRICT.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU SEE A LOT AS COUNCIL MEMBERS BRINGING PROJECTS TO Y'ALL? UM, THAT OF HOMEOWNERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE STRUGGLING WITH FLOOD CONTROL? YES, THEY'RE, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS SIMILAR TO AL STREET THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.
AND UM, LIKE IN MY PRESENTATION THIS PAST MONTH, WE HAD, UH, SIMILAR FLOODING, UH, FURTHER NORTH OF, UM, UH, ALDE STREET ON, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, RIDLEY DISTRICT MM-HMM.
YOU KNOW, IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, UM, WE HAVE OTHER, UNFORTUNATELY OTHER, UH, DISTRICTS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THE SAME, UH, FLOODING ISSUES.
WELL, THAT, THAT KIND OF GETS TO MY NEXT QUESTION IS, SO ARE ALL THE ASK BEING MADE, UM, BY Y'ALL OF THE, THE BOND COMMISSION AND EVENTUALLY OF COUNCIL, ARE THOSE, I, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE CITYWIDE PROJECTS? UH, THEY'RE NOT DISTRICT SPECIFIC PROJECTS CAUSE THEY BENEFI BENEFIT THE WHOLE CITY.
OUR NIT I, SORRY, THAT'S PROBABLY A DUMB QUESTION.
THE, THE NIT INVENTORY COVERS, UH, CITYWIDE PROJECTS AS WELL, UH, SIMILAR TO THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL.
UH, THERE ARE FUTURE FACES OF THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL AND THEN OTHER SIMILAR PROJECTS ON WEST OF DALLAS THAT WILL PROVIDE SIMILAR TYPE OF DRAINAGE RELIEF.
AND THOSE, UH, C D Y PROJECTS, UH, ARE, YOU KNOW, TAKES MORE TIME AND MORE MONEY, BUT PROVIDES BENEFIT TO A MORE GEO, BIGGER GEOGRAPHIC AREA.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE IS THE, THE, THE, THOSE THAT, THOSE PROJECTS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT THERE'S WAYS TO BRING, UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IN MILL CREEK TUNNEL, WE, WE HAD THE ENGINEERING WORK FIRST, AND THEN WE HAD THE CONSTRUCTION.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, THERE WE HAVE OTHER AREAS IN WITH THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS.
DO YOU, DO YOU FIND THAT YOU, AND WE'LL GET THE NEEDS INVENTORY THAT, UH, MR. GOLDSTEIN WHO'S GOT HIS MOUTH FULL, UM, UH, MENTIONED OR ASKED ABOUT, DO YOU FIND THAT THE NEEDS INVENTORY IS HIGHER IN OLDER PARTS OF THE CITIES? LIKE, LIKE MR. MORENO'S DISTRICT OR LIKE MR. WEST DISTRICT? UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A PRETTY CLEAR BREAKDOWN IN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY, SO WE PREPARE, UH, GOOD INFORMATION FOR YOU TO LOOK AT AND REVIEW.
AND YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE HOW YOUR DISTRICT COMPARES TO OTHERS.
UH, MAYBE THERE'S SOME DISTRICTS THAT ARE HIGH ON EROSION CONTROL, BUT LOW ON FLOODING.
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KNOW, IT DEPENDS FROM, UH, IT IS DIFFERENT FROM EACH DISTRICT, BUT WE HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION IN OUR, IN OUR MASTER'S SPREADSHEET THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT TO YOU.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. COX? IF I COULD JUST, IF THIS COULD BE THE LAST QUESTION JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.
WELL, IT GOES, UM, UH, THERE'S A, A VERY LARGE, AS YOU'RE AWARE, A VERY LARGE NEEDS LIST, UH, FOR, UH, A POTENTIAL BOND ISSUE THAT IS NOT GONNA BE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT MUCH ALL FOR FLOOD CONTROL.
UM, AND PART OF, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE WORKING ON IS SOME DEGREE OF PRIORITIZATION, UH, OF EACH OF THE PROJECTS.
UH, AS PART OF THE PRIORITIZATION OF FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS, IS THERE ANY KIND OF, UH, ANALYSIS OF, UH, BY PROJECT OF WHAT PERCENTAGE OF PROPERTIES BE PULLED OUT OF THE FLOODWAY OR THE FLOOD PLAIN IF THIS PROJECT WAS PUT IN PLACE? IS, IS THAT PART OF THE RATING PROCESS OR PRIORITIZATION PROCESS THAT Y'ALL GO THROUGH, UH, TO, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, YOU GAVE THAT EXAMPLE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA OF, OF, OF HOMES BEING FLOODED.
UH, AND SO THAT'S, UH, TO ME THAT IS, HAS A HIGHER PARTY THAN, THAN A PARKING LOT GETTING FLOODED, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE, ARE WE GONNA BE FURNISHED OR THE SUBCOMMITTEES GONNA BE FURNISHED WITH THE, THE, THE METRICS TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE, HEY, WHAT IS A, WHAT IS AN EFFECTIVE FLOOD CONTROL MECHANISM? YES.
WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR DEFINED METRICS ON HOW WE CALCULATE RISK AND PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE, UH, IMPROVED.
AND THEN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A COST RATIO.
AND THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, PART OF OUR SECOND PRESENTATION THAT WE ARE, UH, CONDUCTING TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS RIGHT NOW, MORE DETAILS ON HOW WE RATE THEM, HOW WE RATE THOSE PROJECTS, HOW WE SCORE THEM, AND HOW WE DO THE PRIORITIES BASED ON COST AND BENEFIT.
AND WE HAVE A VERY WELL DEFINED SYSTEM TO, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.
AND, AND JUST ONE SHORT QUESTION FOLLOW UP TO THAT IS PART OF THAT ANALYSIS, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU HAVE A SMALLER NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A FEW HOUSES THAT FLOODS CONSISTENTLY, UH, IT MAY BE OBVIOUSLY MORE, UH, COST EFFECTIVE JUST TO BUY THE HOMES AS OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN A LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROTECT THEM FROM FLOODING.
IS THAT PART OF THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU GO THROUGH OR THE PROCESS? I THINK THAT GOES BACK TO A FEDERAL, UH, PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE, IT'S A VOLUNTARY, UH, PURCHASE PROGRAM THAT IS PART OF, UH, FEMA.
AND THERE'S SOME, UH, AND I THINK IT'S ONE, ONE OF MY SLIDES, UH, HAS THE TOTAL OF HOMES THAT ARE LISTED UNDER THE FEMA.
AND, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT WILL BE, WE WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT WILL BE THE BENEFIT IF WE SET ASIDE MONEY TO, UH, TO BRING TO THAT PROGRAM.
BECAUSE SINCE IT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, WE MAY END UP HAVING 20 MILLION SET ASIDE, BUT IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE NOT WILLING TO SELL AND THEN THAT MONEY GETS STUCK IN THERE.
SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, AND GREAT.
UM, NEXT WE WILL HAVE A BRIEFING ON STREETS.
I'M GONNA PICK UP WHERE HE LEFT OFF.
UH, BUT SPECIFIC ABOUT THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL PROJECT, UM, WILL THERE BE IT WITH THE NEXT PHASE OF THE TUNNEL PROJECT? I KNOW WE HAD, UM, SOME HOMES THAT WERE PURCHASED FROM RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, DURING THAT SECOND PHASE, UM, OR, OR THEN THAT SECOND BOND, WILL THERE BE ADDITIONAL LAND ACQUISITION ACQUISITIONS HAPPENING WITH THAT MILL CREEK TUNNEL PROJECT? ONCE THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL IS COMPLETE, THERE'S FUTURE FACES THAT WILL NEED TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO BRING DRAINAGE RELIEF TO THE, UH, NORTHERN AREAS, UH, OF THE MILL CREEK.
IS THAT, IS THAT YOUR QUESTION GOING TO FUTURE FACES OR? RIGHT.
AND ONCE WE DEFINE THOSE PHASES AND WE ESTABLISH, UH, PIPE SIZE AND ALIGNMENT, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITIONS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED.
SO WE'RE NOT AT THAT STAGE YET.
BUT EVENTUALLY, ONCE THAT'S DEFINED, WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO CONFIRM IF THERE'S A NEED FOR RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION.
AND THEN THAT IS ALSO MY NEXT QUESTION.
IN TERMS OF FUTURE PHASES, WILL I, I RECALL THAT IN THIS CURRENT PROJECT, UM, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THIS MAP OF THE TUNNEL OVER IN THAT LINE VIEW AREA, UH, WHERE THOSE HOMES WERE PURCHASED
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TO THEM WHERE WE HAVE THE SOCCER FIELDS, THE FLOOD AND THE HOMES WHERE THEY GET OUT IN THE BOATS, IT WAS, IT WAS PROTECTED MORE OF KIND OF THAT BAYLOR HOSPITAL AREA.THE, UH, IF YOU LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE THE PICTURE OF THE ALIGNMENT OF THE TUNNEL, SO ALL THE PROPERTIES SOUTH OF THE TUNNEL WILL RECEIVE IMMEDIATE, UH, DRAINAGE RELIEF.
NOW, THE FUTURE FACES ON THE NORTH SIDE, THAT WILL BE PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE, UH, THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE, UH, UH, DRAINAGE RELIEF TO THOSE AREAS.
SO THAT WOULD BE FUTURE PHASES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY AT THIS POINT.
I CAN FOLLOW UP LATER, BUT BECAUSE MY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS ABOUT, UM, I'M, AS YOU SEE, REPRESENTS SEVEN, SO MY SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS ABOUT THAT LINE VIEW AREA, BUT I CAN FOLLOW UP LATER.
UH, AND THEN LAST QUESTION ON THE EROSION CONTROL.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, UH, WHEN MR. GOLDSTEIN WAS ASKING ABOUT THE LETTERS THAT GO OUT, UH, TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE IN THE, THE WARNING ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN, DO YOU ALSO INCLUDE LANGUAGE OR EDUCATION IN THOSE LETTERS ABOUT THE EROSION, UM, ISSUE AND, AND, AND THAT THEY NEED, THEY CAN REPORT IT.
IS THAT INCLUDED IN THOSE LETTERS AS WELL? I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK ABOUT IF THERE'S ANY FLYERS OR, UH, EDUCATION I WOULD STRONGLY SEND.
WE NORMALLY SEND OUR, FOR OUR MONTHLY BILLING, WE, WE DO INSERTS WITH EDUCATION ABOUT, UH, FLOOD FACTS AND I DON'T RECALL IT.
WE HAVE EROSION CONTROL, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY INCLUDE TO EDUCATE OUR, UH, RESIDENTS THROUGH THAT MECHANISM.
I JUST WOULD SUGGEST, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENCE TO INCLUDE THAT INFORMATION SO THE PROPERTY OWNERS KNOW THAT'S AVAILABLE.
IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THE STREETS BRIEFING TO OUR NEXT MEETING, UM, TO ALLOW FOR THE CHAIRS TO, FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO HAVE THEIR FULL BALANCE OF TIME TO, UH, GIVE US THEIR REPORTS.
SO WE WILL STAND AT EASE UNTIL THEY COME IN
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DEPARTMENT AT THE CITY COVERS IT NOW, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WOULD BE THE ONES PRIORITIZING MAJOR MAINTENANCE OR IF IT WOULD BE THE PARKS AND REC SUBCOMMITTEE.SO I THINK IN THE LAST BOND THEY SAID THAT THE PARKS, IF IT WAS A, IF IT WAS A, UM, MAJOR REPAIR TO A LIKE RECREATION CENTER, THEN IT CAME OUT OF THE CRITICAL FACILITIES RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT WAS IN THE PARKS PROPOSITION.
SO IF WE COULD HAVE CLARITY RELATED TO, IF YOU WANT US RANKING THAT, OR IF YOU WANT THE PARKS AND REC SUBCOMMITTEE TO, TO RANK THEIR MAJOR MAINTENANCE NEEDS WITH, BECAUSE IT IS UNDER THEIR PROPOSITION, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THEY RANK, UM, BOTH THE, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE COVERED UNDER MAJOR MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS ANY, YOU KNOW, MAJOR PROJECTS SINCE IT'S IN THEIR PROPOSITION.
BUT YEAH, I'LL WORK WITH PARKS ON THAT AND OKAY.
HAVE AN ANSWER AT THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT, BUT THEY GAVE US THE MAJOR FACILITIES FOR, UM, NEEDS.
SO THE, SO THAT NEEDS INVENTORY AND WE DID FIND A FEW, UM, I THINK THEY NEED TO REWORK THE NUMBERS, BUT ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS 133 MILLION WORTH OF MAINTENANCE PRIOR.
THERE'S ACTUALLY, UM, 4 BILLION IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY, BUT THERE'S A HUNDRED, THEY PRIORITIZE 133.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN HOW THE, THE SCORED, HOW ALL THESE PROJECTS SCORED.
AND, BUT WHEN THESE PROJECTS, WHEN THOSE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS COME AND BRIEF US, THEY'RE GONNA INCLUDE, UH, UM, THE TOTAL WITH THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, CRITERIA SCORE ATTACHED TO IT.
UM, SO THAT WAS A BIG QUESTION.
AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATION RELATED TO, UM, WE ALSO DETERMINED TOO, I THINK IT'S LOOKING LIKE AUGUST 12TH AND 19TH, THEY'RE GONNA BE FIELD TRIPS TO LOOK AT, UM, FACILITIES AND WHICH WE'LL GET ALL THOSE DATES OUT TO YOU WHEN THEY'RE FINALIZED.
IF ANYBODY, IF ANY OF YOUR COMMITTEE WANTS TO JOIN US, UM, WE ALSO, UM, HAD QUESTIONS ON DISCUSSING, UM, YEAH, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE, LIKE, WHAT, WHAT WE THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ARTS AND CULTURE NUMBER WILL BE OR WHAT THE, UM, YOU KNOW, DPDS NUMBER WILL BE OR THE FIRE.
SO ANY FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL IF, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'LL KIND OF KNOW WHAT THOSE BUDGETS ARE GONNA PROPOSE BUDGETS WILL LOOK LIKE.
YEAH, I'M, SO I'M STILL WORKING WITH COUNCIL TO TRY AND GET THEIR FINAL NUMBERS.
I HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO GET WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OR WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO, TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR GOALS.
AND I HAVE THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL.
AND I WAS GONNA SEND THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY, UM, NEXT WEEK SO WE COULD GET THOSE DISCUSSIONS GOING.
AND ANOTHER, UH, QUESTION CAME UP WAS ON IS IT EVER DETERMINED THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE NEEDS ARE SO GREAT, LIKE WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE WATER DAM OR THE WATER LEAKING HERE AT CITY HALL IS 33 MILLION JUST TO FIX THAT.
AND THAT'S NOT ANY OF THE OTHER NEEDS RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING.
AND IT'S VERY, IT'S, I MEAN, IT'D BE REALLY HARD TO EVEN BUDGET 33 MILLION IN THIS BOND FOR, FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES, UM, AT, SO AT WHAT POINT, BUT NOBODY COULD SEE NOT HAVING THIS AS CITY HALL, BUT IF, WHEN DO THEY SAY LIKE, MONT IS ANOTHER BUILDING THAT THEY'RE NOW, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THOSE SERVICES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IS THERE ANY BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DETERMINED THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP POURING MONEY AT IT AND, UM, I THINK, SO I THINK THE WAY THEY HANDLE THAT IS, IS PRIORITIZATION.
UM, SO WE, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN MARRYING THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR THE FACILITIES WITH THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS PRIORITIES.
AND SO WHEN WE KIND OF LOOK AT THOSE TOGETHER, THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF FLUSH OUT, UM, WHICH PROJECTS ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, RISE TO THE TOP.
SO BECAUSE THE CONDITION OF A BUILDING MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT DEPARTMENT'S, UM, PRIORITIES, SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, YEAH,
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BUT ARE THERE JUST ANY BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE DETERMINED THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE KEEP, WE EITHER HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THE MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THE MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN SO DEFERRED AT THIS POINT.UM, OR WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA KEEP POURING MONEY AT THAT BUILDING.
I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY OF THIS DISCUSSION.
YEAH, THAT WAS JUST, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE PRIORITIZING IT'S NOT A BUILDING THAT IS NOT GONNA HAVE A FUTURE AS A CITY FACILITY.
SO IF, I DIDN'T THINK WE HAD ANY THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WAY, BUT THAT QUESTION CAME UP.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, WE TALKED ABOUT FIELD TRIPS, UM, AND, AND JUST, I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT IN AWE OF HOW THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND THE, THE CHALLENGES RELATED TO IT AND WHAT THOSE NUMBERS HAVE ADDED UP TO.
AND THAT IN THE LAST BOND PROGRAM OF 17, UM, IT DIDN'T, THAT WAS IT.
THOSE WERE CONTINUED TO BE DEFERRED AND THEY WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IF WE KEEP DOING THAT, THE NUMBERS ARE JUST GONNA GROW.
SO, UM, AND IT'S, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL OF YOU ARE GONNA SAY YOU'RE PRIORITIZING THIS BOND IN THIS BOND PROGRAM.
SO, AND THEN THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT IF THE COUNCIL, HOW MUCH THEY WOULD CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I SAID THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT COULD ALWAYS HAPPEN.
BUT IF THERE WERE BIG PROJECTS THAT THE COUNCIL'S ALREADY LEANING VERY STRONGLY TOWARDS, THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW.
ALRIGHT, THAT WAS, UM, MY REPORT FROM TODAY'S MEETING.
THANK YOU MEMBERS QUESTIONS, MS. MARGOLIN? YEAH.
UM, THE 133 MILLION, HOW IS THAT DERIVED? I MEAN, WHO, WHO DETERMINED THE CUTOFF CITY STAFF? THEY WENT THROUGH LIKE CITY FACILITIES? THE, WITH LOOKING AT THE CRITI, THEIR CRITERIA THAT, UM, PRIORITIZING THE OPERATION AND CURRENT MAINTENANCE, UM, HOW OFTEN THEY'RE MAKING THOSE CALLS.
UM, AND THEN THEY DETERMINED THAT THOSE WERE A HIGHER PRIORITY.
SO THEY, BECAUSE IT'S ONLY A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL NEEDS INVENTORY, BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE COMMITTEE DID ASK, LIKE, IF THEY DON'T SEE SOMETHING THEY'RE HEARING ABOUT IN THEIR DISTRICT AND IT'S NOT ON THE PRIORITY LIST, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE SURE AND THE STAFF'S SHARING WITH THAT BEFORE THESE MEETINGS THAT THEY CAN, UM, FIND OUT WHY IT'S NOT ON, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS, WHY IT HASN'T RISEN TO STAFF'S PRIORITY AT THIS POINT, BUT IT'S RELATED TO THE SEVERITY OF THE CONDITIONS AND HOW OFTEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING THE MAINTENANCE WORK CURRENTLY, HOW OFTEN THEY'RE GETTING CALLED OUT FOR THE ROOF LEAKS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.
UM, AND, AND THEY'D LISTED THE ACTUAL, WHAT WE GOT WAS THE, THE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, LIKE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL OR, AND WHATEVER KIND OF ISSUE IT WAS, AND THE ACTUAL DESCRIPTION OF WHAT NEEDED TO BE REPLACED AND THEN THE ESTIMATE.
SO WE GOT THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS.
SO WE, YOU CAN SHARE, ARE THEY ALL, UM, PUT TOGETHER OR ARE THEY THEN DIVIDED UP BY CULTURAL ARTS POLICE? THEY'RE DIVIDED UP BY, UM, UH, THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS LIKE CITY FACILITIES, CULTURAL ARTS, UM, HOMELESS FACILITIES.
UH, LIBRARY FACILITIES, PARKS AND REC, AND THEN THE PUBLIC PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND I WOULD LOVE TO GET A COPY OF THAT.
SO THIS WAS, UH, YEAH, THEY COULD SEND YOU OUR PRESENTA.
IT WAS, IT WAS IN LIKE A PRESENTATION FORM, BUT IT'S A DOCUMENT.
QUESTIONS MR. DICKEY? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, BACK BACK TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE PARKS AND HOW DO YOU SECTOR OUT WHICH IS PARKS AND WHICH IS CRITICAL FACILITIES.
I'D JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST OR THROW THIS OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION OF TRINITY RIVER AUDUBON CENTER, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS OF WHAT THEY'RE, THEY NEED AND ARE ASKING.
ONE IS THEIR, UH, THEIR EXHIBIT, THAT'S THEIR PERMANENT EXHIBIT THAT NEEDS A REFRESH AND THEY'VE PAID SEPARATELY, RAISED PRIVATE MONEY TO GET A NEW DESIGN FOR THAT.
THE KIDS WHO COME THERE CAN HAVE A FRESH AND NEW, UH, PERSPECTIVE ON ALL OF THAT.
THEY, THEY DO THERE, BUT THEN THE SECOND PART IS THE BUILDING.
AND SO THE FIRST PART, THEY'VE BEEN TALKING, I WAS THINKING THAT, THAT THE PARK DEPARTMENT BOND TRANCHE WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE PARK DEPARTMENT ABOUT.
BUT THE SECONDARY ONE, IT'S A FACILITY.
WE BUILT A $15 MILLION FACILITY THAT WE SAVED OUT OF A LANDFILL.
IT'S A MIRACLE WHAT WE'VE DONE THERE.
IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW ON THE BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA BE IN REALLY BIG TROUBLE, UH, FOR OUR ASSET.
SO IS THAT, AND MAYBE JENNY KNOWS THE ANSWER, CAN YOU DO THAT WHERE, UH, WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE, THE EXHIBIT WOULD BE UNDER PARKS AND THAT'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
MAYBE A MILLION AN HALF OR TWO.
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STRUCTURAL STUFF COULD BE IN CRITICAL FACILITY, SINCE IT IS A CITYWIDE ASSET, IT, I THINK AS LONG AS WE DEFINE THE SCOPE REALLY WELL, THEN, THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEPARATE THAT OUT.THAT, BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT LISTED, THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE ONES THAT THEY HAD LISTED FOR PARK AND REC AS A CRED, AS AS A MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND THAT, THAT MAY BE THE REASONS.
SO, BUT YEAH, IT MIGHT BE IN THAT MIGHT, BUT THEY'RE NOT, AND THEY'RE, THEY PUT THE ONES THAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY MAINTAINING, SO MAYBE THEY, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S MAINTAINING THAT RIGHT NOW.
BUT LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE HARRY STONE RECREATION, THEY HAD THAT CENTER FOR PLUMBING, MAJOR PLUMBING DUE TO LEAKING PIPES.
THE DURAN RECREATION CENTER WAS ROOF REPLACEMENT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE THE AUDUBON.
SO PARK AND REC DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING STRUCTURAL IN FOR THE TRINITY RIVER AUMAN CENTER? NO, NOT ON, NOT ON THIS LIST.
SO YEAH, IF THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, IT'S NOT ON HERE.
AND THAT WAS THE UM, BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
SO, WE'LL WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH PARKS AND SEE IF THAT WAS JUST LISTED.
SO, BUT WE DOUBLE CHECK THIS IS ALL THAT THEY'RE MANAGING THE CURRENT MAINTENANCE OF, SO I DON'T KNOW WHO'S MANAGING THAT ONE.
CHAIRWOMAN GATES, CHAIRWOMAN COOK.
COULD YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON STREETS? YES.
WHO KNEW THERE WAS SO MUCH TO STREETS
BUT WHILE THAT'S WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL TO KNOW, UH, IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SO MANY STREETS THAT NEED MAINTENANCE ON IT.
AND A LOT OF TIMES AT THE END OF THE PROCESS, IT TURNS OUT TO BE POLITICAL.
YOU KNOW, WHICH PROJECTS GET CHOSEN, BUT WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AND ARE LOOKING EXHAUSTIVELY AT THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND THIS CRITERIA THAT THEY'VE SET UP AND THIS, THIS POINT SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE SET UP, UM, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION SO THAT AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO YOU, YOU WILL KNOW THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE, THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING HAS BEEN TOTALLY VETTED AND BASED ON, UM, NOT ONLY THE NEEDS, BUT THE CONDITION OF THE STREET.
UH, WE'RE DOING, UH, UM, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, WE'RE DOING SIDEWALKS, WE'RE DOING BIKE LANES, THIS VISION ZERO, WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS IN THE CITY WHERE THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF, UH, TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.
WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT TO IT AND WE'RE MELDING THAT.
ALSO, OF COURSE, WITH THE MOBILITY PLAN THIS, UH, THAT THE COUNCIL SET OUT AND FORWARD DALLAS, WHICH IS GOING ON NOW, BUT WE'VE GOT ONE FROM LAST TIME AS WELL.
SO, AND THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW WHAT FORWARD DALLAS IS, THAT'S A PLANNING PROCESS BY WHICH YOU SET UP SOME CRITERIA ABOUT ECONOMICS AND, AND, UH, WHERE YOU WANT THE CITY TO GROW AND THAT KIND OF THING, AND WHAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO LOOK LIKE.
AND WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AS WELL.
I'VE BEEN PART OF THAT PROCESS, UH, ABOUT A DECADE AGO.
UM, BUT REALLY, UH, ON, LET'S SEE, ON JUNE, THE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME ON ANY OF THESE FIELD TRIPS.
ON JUNE THE THIRD AND JUNE THE 10TH, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT STREETS AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT HOW THEY JUDGE THE CRITERIA AND EVERYTHING AND HOW THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY SCARY AGE A STREET, UH, BECAUSE IT'S SO BAD AND THEY GRIND IT ALL UP, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT KIND OF THING AS WELL.
AND WE'D JUST LOVE TO HAVE YOU COME IF YOU'D LIKE, LIKE TO COME AND SPEND THE AFTERNOON WITH US.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF, UH, MEMBERS THAT WERE CONCERNED THAT THEIR STREETS AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD MIGHT NOT GET ATTENTION.
AND, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE THIS PROCESS OF SCORING.
AND I THINK MOST OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE VERY, VERY, UH, DILIGENT ABOUT KIND OF STICKING WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE.
OTHERWISE, IT GETS INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME PUSH AND SHOVE.
THEY CAN DO THAT AT THE COUNCIL
BUT, UM, FOR OUR PART, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO STICK WITH THE, WITH THE SCORING PROCESS.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ABOUT IT.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT ALL THE, ABOUT ALL THE MINUTIAE OF THE SCORING, BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST ABOUT IT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IT.
MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS? MR. COX? OH, TIM, JUST ONE THING ON, YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION LAST TIME.
WE'LL REVIEW OUR PARTNERSHIP PRO PROJECTS ON AUGUST THE 15TH.
SO IF YOU WANNA GET THAT, UM, BRIEFING, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AVAILABLE.
SO ANY, ANY PRO UH, PARTNERSHIP PROJECT IS A PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE COUNTY PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE DOING WITH, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, WHICH REQUIRE 20% MATCH THOSE KINDS OF PROJECTS.
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YEAH, THAT WAS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FROM LAST TIME, MR. COX? UH, YES.UM, MY QUESTION RE REALLY RELATES TO KIND OF A DEFINITION ON SOME OF THE, IN THE NEEDS ANALYSIS, STREETS ARE A HUGE COMPONENT OF THE NEEDS, UH, THE NEEDS LIST, UH, IN THE LIST.
IT IN, IT INCLUDES MANY OF THE STREETS THAT NEED RECONSTRUCTION, AND IT ALSO INDICATES STREETS THAT NEED, UH, RESURFACING.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, AND AND I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING MAYBE FOR IF, IF YOU DON'T KNOW, MAYBE TO, TO FURTHER TO THINK ABOUT IT AND REVIEW WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS ON RESURFACING.
UH, TO ME THAT'S NOT A 20, NORMALLY A 20 YEAR SOLUTION.
AND SO I WAS TRYING TO THINK WHY IS THAT IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND NOT PART OF THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM OF THE CITY? UM, SO THAT'S, I KNOW THAT'S, UH, A QUESTION THAT, THAT, UH, IS, IS QUITE, QUITE OFTEN ASKED BY A LOT OF COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE ONE ISSUE CUZ I GENERALLY, THAT'S NOT A 20 YEAR SOLUTION.
AND I KNOW ONE OF THE GOALS WE HAVE HERE ARE TRYING TO HAVE PROJECTS THAT HAVE A 20 YEAR LIFE TO MATCH WITH THE DEBT.
UM, THE SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS ANOTHER COMPONENT OF, UH, OF THE STREET LIST OR REPAVING ALLEYS.
AND I REALIZE THAT ALLEYS A LOT OF TIMES THEY DON'T MAKE, THEY'RE NOT HIGHLY PRIORITIZED EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE REALLY NEEDED FOR THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY QUESTION IS, UH, I KNOW THAT CITY STAFF I THINK HAS, UH, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE DOLLARS THAT ARE ASKED FOR.
IT APPEARS THAT THOSE ALLEYS ARE, UM, ARE BEING SPECKED OR PRICED IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE CONCRETE, UH, AND PROBABLY THE SAME STRENGTH OF, OF, OF A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET.
AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THAT NECESSARY? DO WE HAVE TO HAVE CONCRETE STREET ALLEYS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE NARROW AND NOT BEING USED FOR GARBAGE PICKUP ANY LONGER? COULD THOSE BE OVERLAID, UH, AND ARE RESURFACED, UM, REALIZING THAT A CONCRETE IS ABOUT A 10 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE SOLUTION THAN A RESURFACING? SO I THROW THAT OUT THERE CUZ UH, I REALIZE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THIRD TIED INTO THE ALLEY, UH, QUESTION WOULD BE ARE THERE METRICS, UH, IN TERMS OF, UH, RATING WHETHER OR NOT AN ALLEY SHOULD BE, UH, RECONSTRUCTED, RESURFACED, WHATEVER.
ARE THERE METRICS TO INDICATE, UH, THE NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT ACTUALLY USE THOSE ALLEYS? UH, AND THAT WOULD BE MY, MY LAST QUESTIONS.
WELL, THOSE ARE ALL REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS.
I'LL SAY ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT USE THE ALLEYS.
UH, DALLAS IS ONE OF THE FEW CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAS ALLEYS THAT WE USE FOR GARBAGE PICKUP.
SO YOU'RE GONNA FIND VERY LOW NUMBERS, OBVIOUSLY ON THE, ON THE ALLEYS BECAUSE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT USE 'EM ARE THE PEOPLE THAT THEIR HOUSES ARE THERE.
AND FOR GARBAGE PICKUP, UM, I'LL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, UM, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION YOU POSED ABOUT THE RESURFACING OF STREETS.
WHY IS IT IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND NOT ONGOING MAINTENANCE? NOW I'M THINKING BACK TO MY CITY COUNCIL DAYS.
CUZ WE DON'T BUDGET ENOUGH FOR MAINTENANCE IS PROBABLY THE TRUE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
RESURFACING THIS METHOD, RIGHT? IT DOES.
IT'S EXTENSIVE LIKE FIVE YEARS OR SO.
BUT I, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
AND THAT PROBABLY, WELL PUBLIC WORKS, I CAN PROVIDE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT THEY DO HAVE, OR IN AN EMAIL, BUT THEY HAVE A, UM, LIKE A LITTLE HANDBOOK THAT KIND OF SHOWS THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, OF RE REPAIR AND RESURFACING.
IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF A MISNOMER, ESPECIALLY ON THE CONCRETE STREETS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T PUT ASPHALT OVER CONCRETE AS PART OF A RESURFACING PROJECT.
THEY ACTUALLY REPLACE THE CONCRETE PANELS, I THINK UP TO LIKE 70%.
IT'S JUST NOT A FULL RECONSTRUCTION WHERE WE'RE DOING, UM, WE'RE UPGRADING UTILITIES AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A LOT LOWER THAN A FULL RECONSTRUCTION.
BUT I CAN, I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
ARE YOU, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
ARE YOU, ARE YOU GONNA FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY ASK US WITH YOUR YES.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO TO REPORT THAT BACK.
WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU OUR OPINIONS JUST BASED ON, UH, SOME KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE FROM YOURS GONE BY.
BUT THAT IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
WHY YOU WOULD, WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT.
UM, AND, AND NOT PUT IT IN MAINTENANCE.
AND I THINK PROBABLY THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT WE DON'T PUT ENOUGH IN MAINTENANCE AND THEY JUST TAKE CARE OF IT IN THE BOND PROGRAM.
PROBABLY IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.
HAS TO HAVE A SHELF LIFE OF AT LEAST FIVE YEARS, UH, 20 YEARS HERE.
ANY, ANY, ANY CAPITAL PROJECT.
THE PERSON THAT CAN TELL YOU, I GUESS ANY CAP, HEY GU, ANY CAPITAL PROJECT HAS TO HAVE A LIFE OF WHAT? FOR A BOND? 2020 YEARS.
SO WHY IS RESURFACE SO WHY IS RESURFACING PUT IN THE DEPENDS, HUH? OH, IT DEPENDS.
WELL, AND AGAIN, ONCE I SEND THAT HANDBOOK OUT, THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT
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CLEARER, BUT RESURFACING IS NOT JUST PUTTING ASPHALT OVER A FAILED STREET.SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A BIT MORE DETAILED AND, AND IN DEPTH THAN THAT.
SO WE CAN GET THE ANSWER QUESTION IS WHY WE RESURFACE AND BOND INSTEAD OF JUST IN MAINTENANCE, GENERAL FUND MAINTENANCE.
OH, I NEED TO DEFER GU CARLEY, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
I NEED TO DEFER THAT TO SOMEONE FROM PUBLIC WORKS.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, CAPITAL INVESTMENTS ON, UH, PAVEMENT IS ABOUT 40 YEARS.
IS THAT WHAT WE DO FOR CONSTRUCTIONS 40 YEARS? YEAH, CORRECT.
AND THEN ON THE, UH, RESURFACING, IT DEPENDS, UH, GENERALLY IT'S, UM, WE GO, UH, FOR THE PAVEMENT, FOR THE ASPHALT LASTS ABOUT EIGHT YEARS BEFORE IT NEEDS, UM, UH, REHAB PLUS OR MINUS YOU THAT I'D HAVE TO GET BACK WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
I KNOW CONCRETE WHEN THEY'RE REPLACING THE PANELS, THAT WOULD BE A 20 YEAR LIFE SLIP, CORRECT.
SO THAT I CAN, BUT WHEN YOU DO YOUR LIFE CYCLE COSTS, YOU DO IT ON CONCRETE WHEN YOU'RE COMPARING THE COST IS ABOUT 40 YEAR, UH, TIMELINE WHEN YOU DO THE LIFECYCLE COST ANALYSIS.
UH, THIS QUESTION MIGHT BE MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION, BUT IT IT MADE ME, WHEN, UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION CHAIR COOP.
IT MADE ME THINK OF THIS QUESTION AS, AS YOU WERE PRESENTING, IT MIGHT BE FOR YOU OR FOR JENNY, UM, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER.
UM, CONSIDERING THE, THE SCORING PROCESS AND THE NEEDS INVENTORY, HOW IS EQUITY BEING CONSIDERED AS FAR AS THE, UH, SCORING PROCESS? OR IS IT, UM, IS IT, ARE WE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALSO MAYBE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED IN THE PAST OR ARE THEY GIVEN MORE POINTS AND AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? YEAH, AND I CAN GIVE YOU THIS PRESENTATION AND IT, AND JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, EQUITY IS BEING, UM, TAKING, UH, INTO ACCOUNT ON, ON A LOT OF DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
UH, IF PEOPLE OVER 65, IT, IT IS 70% OF THE PEOPLE ARE, ARE MINORITIES, UM, CRITERIA SUCH AS THAT.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE, AS A MATTER OF FACT, BEFORE I LEAVE, I'LL JUST GIVE THIS TO YOU AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE, UM, HOW THEY SCORE AND HOW THEY INCLUDE EQUITY IN THE SCORING PROCESS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING THAT.
MR. CONNOR, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, HI.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UM, AROUND THE HORSESHOE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT, UM, THE CITY CENTER AND THE STREETS AROUND THE CITY CENTER, UM, SPECIFICALLY AROUND ECONOMIC DRIVERS WITH THE, UH, THE WORK AND, AND MONEY THAT'S GOING INTO THE CONVENTION CENTER FAIR PARK.
IS ANY OF THAT INCLUDED IN, IN THE CONSIDERATION OR SCORING IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BRINGING, ATTRACTING MONEY TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING OUR STREETS AROUND UHHUH, OUR CITY CENTER? YOU KNOW, WE DID NOT GO OVER THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S TAKEN CARE OF.
AND THE TWO, UH, IN LIKE THE PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE GET MONEY FROM, UH, FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER, FROM THE TAXES, UH, THAT ARE GENERATED FROM THE HOTEL INDUSTRY, UM, AND ALSO FROM PROCESSES LIKE FORWARD DALLAS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UH, WE'LL ASK THAT QUESTION, BUT I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE SOMETIMES THE CITY DOESN'T DO AS GOOD A JOB AS IT SHOULD BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THESE PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT WE CAN PUT MONEY INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHAT WILL GENERATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
BUT BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, WHETHER IT BE CONVENTION CENTER OR SOMETHING IN FORWARD DALLAS, PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT THERE ANYMORE.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE, MAYBE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AREN'T THERE, MAYBE WE'VE GOT A NEW MAYOR AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP RIGHT ON TOP OF, ISN'T IT? SO I THINK WE NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS TRANSPORTATION AROUND THE CONVENTION CENTER, YOU'RE REALLY NOT DOING YOURSELF.
YOU'RE NOT DOING THE CITY AS GOOD SERVICE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M THE FURTHEST DISTRICT AWAY FROM THE CITY CENTER, UHHUH
YOU KNOW, MR. MORENO, MR. WEST, AND MR. RIDLEY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, THE FAILING STREETS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY AROUND THIS BUILDING AND US ATTRACTING CONVENTIONS MM-HMM.
AND, AND THAT BEING ONE OF THE FIRST OBSERVATIONS IS HOW BAD THE STREETS ARE AROUND THE CENTER PART OF THE CITY HAS A LOT TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION, DOESN'T IT? MASS TRANSIT, WHICH WE HAVE NOW OBVIOUSLY GOING TO THE CONVENTIONS CENTER, UM, BUT ALSO SORTS OF, OF TRANSPORTATION.
LIKE WHERE WILL THE HIGH-SPEED RAIL LAND QUESTION JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT EVER HAPPENS, WHERE WOULD IT LAND? WOULD IT LAND NEAR THE CONVENTION CENTER? THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
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A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WALKABILITY IN THE, IN THE CITY, UH, AND THAT'S KIND OF, I KNOW WITH SIDEWALKS IN, WITH STREETS AND PARKS, I THINK AS THE TRAILS, IS THERE DISCUSSION WITH THE MESHING OF THOSE TWO TO MAKE THE CITY KIND OF, IS AS OPPOSED TO BEING PIECEMEAL MORE OF A MESH ABOUT MAKING THE CITY A MORE WALKABLE PLACE? IS THAT, ARE THE TWO SUBCOMMITTEES KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THAT IN THIS PROCESS AT ALL? WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE 50 50 PROGRAM, UM, WHICH YOU'RE PROBABLY AWARE OF WHERE THE CITY PAYS 50% AND THE HOMEOWNER PAYS 50%.UH, WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL, I'M JUST GOING BACK A FEW YEARS, WE DID A WHOLE PROCESS BY WHERE WE TRIED TO MAKE DALLAS A WALKABLE CITY AND PUT SIDEWALKS ALONG EVERY MAJOR CORRIDOR.
I'LL TAKE PRESTON ROAD FOR AN EXAMPLE.
UM, SO PEOPLE COULD GET TO WORK OR WHEREVER THEY WERE GOING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE STILL GOT THAT PROCESS GOING NOW WITH THIS COUNCIL, BUT, UM, THERE WILL BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT GOES TOWARDS SIDEWALKS.
AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION TO SEE IF, IF THERE ARE GAPS IN THE SIDEWALKS, WHICH WE DID TALK ABOUT, BUT YOU MOSTLY THINK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL OR THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT WITH THEIR GAPS IN THE SIDEWALK.
UM, THOSE WOULD, WOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THIS PORTION OF THE BOND.
YEAH, I GUESS I'M THINKING MORE STRATEGICALLY IN TURN, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL, BUT COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
JUST WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF, OF A TRAIL SYSTEM AND A, AND A SIDEWALK SYSTEM OF GETTING PEOPLE FROM SOMEPLACE TO ANOTHER PLACE.
AND, AND I'M, I GUESS I'M MISSING THE COMPREHENSIVE PIECE OF THAT, UH, IN THIS PRIORITIZATION PROCESS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, IT MAY JUST BE ME TO BE, BE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IN THE PROCESS.
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TO MAKE YOUR CITY MORE WALKABLE.
UH, CHAIRMAN SHADI WITH, UM, ECONO ECO DEV AND HOUSING.
UM, YES, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE DOES HAVE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS.
TONIGHT WE FOCUSED ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ONLY.
SO THE PRESENTATION I'LL GIVE YOU TODAY, UH, WILL ONLY FOCUS ON THAT.
UM, SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 1 0 1 THAT WE ARE, WE'RE KIND OF RAMPING UP THE LEARNING CURVE.
AND, UH, I GUESS I'LL START OUT WITH THE, THE GOAL OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS, IS BASICALLY TWOFOLD TO CREATE JOBS AND TO INCREASE THE TAX BASE.
SO, UH, A LOT OF WHAT, UH, I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT IS GONNA BE LOOKING THROUGH THAT PRISM TO CREATE JOBS AND INCREASE THE TAX BASE.
UH, SO THERE'S KIND OF A UNIQUE ELEMENT TO, UH, THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THEY USE BOND FUNDS.
UH, AND I'LL GO THROUGH WITH THAT WITH YOU, UM, JUST SHORTLY.
UM, ESSENTIALLY BOND FUNDS, UH, ARE USED BY THE CITY, BY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS AND BUSINESSES THROUGH AGREEMENTS ALSO, UM, SPECIFIC PROJECTS ARE, UH, IDENTIFIED IN ADVANCE ARE, ARE NOT IDENTIFIED IN ADVANCE.
THEREFORE, UNLIKE, UH, SOME OF THESE OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEEDS INVENTORY.
UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT KINDS OF PROJECTS MAY COME IN 2, 3, 4, 5 YEARS FROM NOW.
UH, AND, BUT THE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE A ROBUST CRITERIA.
I MENTIONED 10 OF THEM, AND I'M GONNA HIGHLIGHT TWO FOR YOU.
UH, ONE OF THEM IS THAT BOND FUNDING TO PROVIDE BOND FUNDS ARE TO PROVIDE DEVELOPER AND BUSINESSES MUST BE STRUCTURED AS GRANTS, NOT LOANS PER I R S REGULATIONS.
NUMBER TWO, BOND FUNDING MUST BE FOR CAPITALIZED COSTS ONLY, NOT FOR WORKING CAPITAL OPERATING OR MAINTENANCE.
AND, UH, THOSE ARE TWO SIGNIFICANT HURDLES THAT MUST BE MET.
UM, PART OF WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE TWO WEEKS AGO IS THAT, UH, IN IN PAST BONDS THERE HAS BEEN AN ALLOCATION FOR HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN THERE HAS BEEN, UH, AN INTERNAL SPLIT OF THE FUNDS.
AND SO WHEN WE GO BACK THROUGH, I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK THROUGH THE, THE PREVIOUS BONDS WITH YOU, YOU'LL SEE HOW THOSE FUNDS WERE ALLOCATED SEPARATELY.
THIS TIME AROUND STAFF IS GONNA RECOMMEND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STRATEGY TO HAVE EACH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AND HOMELESS SOLUTIONS HAVE THEIR OWN POOL.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS, AS WE GO BACK THROUGH THE BONDS.
THE 2006 BOND WAS ROUGHLY 41 MILLION, ROUGHLY SPLIT IN HALF BETWEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING.
MOST OF THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FUNDS WENT TO, UH, THE SOUTHERN SECTOR, PINNACLE PARK, STONEBRIDGE, AND MOUNTAIN CREEK BUSINESS PARK 2012 WAS, UH, 55 MILLION.
UM, MOSTLY USED FOR SOUTHERN DALLAS TRANSLATOR ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, THE INTERNAL ALLOCATION WAS 35 MILLION FOR, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND 20 MILLION FOR HOUSING.
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THIS IS, UH, WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT STRATEGY.UH, AND IT WAS SHARED BETWEEN THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING, BUT THERE WAS NO INTERNAL ALLOCATION BETWEEN THE TWO DEPARTMENTS.
AND THOSE FUNDS WERE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, UH, THAT WERE ALLOCATED TO 11 COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND A CITYWIDE AND A CITYWIDE ALLOCATION FOR THE MAYOR.
THAT'S A LITTLE INTERESTING, DIFFERENT LITTLE WRINKLE, UM, THAT MAY, UH, ELUCIDATE SOME IDEAS FOR YOU.
SO IF YOU BREAK THAT DOWN, THE 2017 BOND PROPOSITION, TODAY WE HAVE THE 14 DISTRICTS PLUS THE MAYOR, UM, AND TOTAL OF 55 MILLION.
UH, SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS CHOSE TO HAVE THEIR 10 MILLION IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
OTHERS CHOSE TO SPREAD IT OUT A BIT.
UM, AS OF A MONTH AGO, UH, ALMOST 20 MILLION OF THE 55 MILLION ARE STILL IN THE BOOKS.
THEY'RE, UH, UNCON UNCOMMITTED BALANCES.
UH, SOME ARE AS, AS SMALL AS 500,000.
SOME ARE AS LARGE AS 8 MILLION.
THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACTOR TO CONSIDER.
UH, THAT, UH, THE ROUGHLY 55 MILLION, 35% OF THAT ROUGHLY 20 MILLION IS STILL ON THE BOOKS.
THERE ARE STILL ROUGHLY 20 MILLION THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS, PUT MONEY TO WORK.
SO THEN STAFF WENT THROUGH A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF WHAT, UH, PASS BONDS HAVE, UH, BEEN USED TO INVEST.
UH, PORT WAS, WAS THE INTERNAL, THE INTERNATIONAL INLAND PORT, UM, SO APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION INVESTMENT INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, AND INCENTIVES.
UH, THE OUTCOME WAS A CATALYST FOR SOUTH DALLAS, UH, GROWTH EXPANSION OF THE TAX BASE, UH, 400 MILLION TAXABLE VALUE TODAY.
I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THAT IN THE NEWS.
UM, INVESTMENT WAS ROUGHLY 15 MILLION AS PART OF A 45 MILLION TOTAL INCENTIVE PACKAGE.
UH, THE OUTCOME HAS ATTRACTED OVER 300 MILLION IN HIGH QUALITY RETAIL, MEDICAL LODGING, RESIDENTIAL 2000 PLUS JOBS, UH, FOR SOUTHERN DALLAS INCLUDES PARKLAND HOSPITAL, UT SOUTHWESTERN, THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, CHILDREN'S, AND, UH, RECENTLY TUM THUMB, UH, AN INVESTMENT OF THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AS PART OF A A $5.8 MILLION INCENTIVE PACKAGE, UH, WHICH, UH, FACILITATED APPROXIMATELY 20 MILLION DEVELOPMENT.
UH, THE OUTCOME IS A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT FULL SERVICE GROCERY AND APPROXIMATELY 90 JOBS.
SO NOW MOVING FORWARD NOW, UH, WHAT STAFF DID LOOKING FOR THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM, UH, THEY CAME UP WITH FOUR OPTIONS FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO CONSIDER.
SO I'LL GO THROUGH WITH THOSE FOR YOU.
THE PREFERRED OPTION FOR, FOR STAFF, OPTION ONE IS TO FOCUS, UH, THE BOND ON FOUR CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THESE ARE RELATIVELY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, UH, THAT HAVE SUBSTANTIAL CITYWIDE IMPACT, UH, BASED ON CITY ADOPTION OF AREA PLANS AND OTHER STRATEGIC INITIATIVES.
THESE DEVELOPMENT AREAS HAVE, UH, KNOWN SIZABLE FUNDING NEEDS FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE PARKS AND GAP FINANCING FOR PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE BENEFIT OF OF TAKING THIS ROUTE IS THE INVESTMENT IN IMPLEMENTATION OF A FEW LARGE TRANSFORMATIVE DEVELOPMENT AREAS WILL SPUR MUCH GREATER ECONOMIC, UH, OUTCOME THAN SCATTERING THE FUNDS, UH, IN SMALLER AREAS.
THE CONCERN WITH THIS APPROACH, THOUGH, IS THAT BOND FUNDING ALLOCATIONS WOULD NOT BE EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED ACROSS COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THESE CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S FOUR OF THEM.
THE FIRST ONE IS HENSLEY FIELD IMPLEMENTATION OF THE HENSLEY FIELD MASTER PLAN ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER, UH, WILL TRANSFORM 738 ACRES OF FORMER DALLAS NAVAL AIR STATION IN SOUTHWESTERN PART OF, OF DALLAS TO A WALKABLE MIX USE COMMUNITY.
APPROXIMATELY 3.7 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USES, UH, ALMOST 7,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 30% OF WHICH WOULD BE AFFORDABLE.
PHASE ONE NET COST ESTIMATES, UH, FOR SITE PREPARATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE ALONE IS 46 MILLION.
STAFF IS PROPOSING AN ALLOCATION OF 40 MILLION FOR THIS ONE AREA NUMBER TWO.
NUMBER TWO OF THE FOUR WOULD BE THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT 450 ACRE MEGASITE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THIS ONE IN THE NEWS LATELY.
UH, FORMER VALLEY VIEW GALLERY AREA PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2013.
PLAN, MIXED USE, MIXED INCOME, HIGH DENSITY, UH, MULTICULTURAL WALKABLE, UH, WOULD BE THE DOWNTOWN
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IN NORTH DALLAS, UH, TO BE ANCHORED BY 20 ACRES.CENTRAL PARK, UH, APPROXIMATELY 8,000 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, 10,000 JOBS AND A THOUSAND HOTEL ROOMS. UH, THE STAFF PROPOSED ALLOCATION FOR THIS WOULD BE 20 MILLION.
AREA NUMBER THREE OF THE FOUR WOULD BE U N T DALLAS, APPROXIMATELY 1800 UNDEVELOPED ACRES SURROUNDING U N T CAMPUS.
AND DART STATION LACKS BASIC INFRASTRUCTURES.
A LOT OF WHAT STAFF SPOKE ABOUT TODAY.
UH, IT'S BASICALLY JUST GREENFIELD TODAY.
UH, AND ALSO FACES AN UNPROVEN REAL ESTATE MARKET.
THERE IS A U N T DALLAS AREA PLANET WAS PASSED IN 2009.
THE MASTER PLAN, MIXED USE MIXED INCOME PROJECT WOULD BE 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL, 1500 APARTMENTS, HUNDREDS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, 50 ACRES OF GREEN SPACE, INCLUDING OPEN SPACE TOWN CENTER.
UH, THE ALLOCATION PROPOSED FOR THIS IS 20 MILLION, THE FOURTH KE CATALYTIC AREA.
UH, AND THE LAST WOULD BE PLEASANT GROVE.
UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY 18 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED CITY OWNED PROPERTY, UH, ON SAN AUGUSTINE ROAD.
UM, THAT COULD LEAD TO AN IMPLEMENTATION OF INTEGRATED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, COMBINING HEALTHCARE, SOCIAL SERVICES, DAYCARE, ARTS, CULTURE, EDUCATION.
UH, SECOND PROJECT WOULD BE ANOTHER 18 ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED, ALSO CITY OWNED LAND OFF OF BRUTON ROAD.
UM, THIS POTENTIALLY COULD BE NEW HOUSING DEVELOPED, UM, WHICH FOR A A FOR SALE PRODUCT, UM, THIS COULD BE A POTENTIAL CATALYST FOR THE AREA AND FOR PLEASANT GROVE.
AND, UH, STAFF ALLOCATION IS $20 MILLION.
SO THAT'S OPTION NUMBER ONE TO FOCUS ON THOSE FOUR CATALYTIC AREAS, RIGHT, THE FOUR BIG DREAMS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
OPTION NUMBER TWO, SEPARATE OPTION WOULD BE TO, UH, FOCUS THE, UH, THE FUNDS, THE BOND ON TARGET AREAS, UH, WHICH I'M SURE YOU, YOU HAVE SEEN.
UH, THESE ARE ARE CENSUS BLOCK GROUPS THAT HAVE A POVERTY RATE OF 20% OF MORE OR MORE.
THE BENEFIT OF OF FOLLOWING THIS OPTION WOULD BE THAT IT, UH, INCREASED THE INVESTMENT IN SOUTHERN DALLAS AND OTHER HISTORIC DISINVESTED AREAS AND SIGNALS TO THE MARKET WHERE THE CITY WANTS TO PRIORITIZE INVESTMENT.
THE POSSIBLE CONCERN WITH THIS OPTION, THOUGH, IS THAT BOND FUNDING ALLOCATION WOULD NOT BE EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED ABOUT WITHOUT ACROSS COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
AND THE CITY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON, UH, ON MOMENTUM AN OPPORTUNITY OUTSIDE OF TARGET AREAS.
UM, ALSO THERE MAY NOT BE SHOVEL-READY AREA, UH, PROJECTS WITHIN THE, UH, THE TARGET AREA.
OPTION THREE, OPTION THREE WOULD BE SIMILAR TO 2017 PROPOSITION, WHICH IS TO ALLOCATE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS TO COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
IN 2017, IT WAS FOR 11 COUNCIL DISTRICTS, PLUS THE MAYOR.
THE BENEFIT OF THIS OPTION IS, UH, ALMOST ALL COUNCILS DISTRICTS WILL RECEIVE AN ALLOCATION SOME MORE THAN OTHERS.
THE, THE POTENTIAL CONCERN WITH THIS IS THAT FUNDS ARE SLOW TO DEPLOY.
THERE'S, THERE'S $20 MILLION STILL IN THE BOOKS FROM 2017.
ALSO, POLITICAL INVOLVEMENT IN PROJECT SELECTION AND THIRD SMALL FUNDING ALLOCATION MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO DELIVER A PROJECT.
AND THE FOURTH OPTION IS ESSENTIALLY A COMBINATION OF THE PREVIOUS THREE OPTIONS IS TO COMBINE THE ALLOCATIONS TO TARGETED AREAS OR CATALYTIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS, PLUS A DISCRETIONARY COMPONENT.
SO THE, THE PERCENTAGES COULD GO, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, 60% OR 60 MILLION TOWARD CATALYTIC PROJECTS.
THE FOURTH THAT I MENTIONED, 20%, UH, TO THE TARGETED AREAS, 20 MILLION AND, UH, 20 MILLION, 20% TO DISCRETIONARY FUNDS.
WE DIDN'T REALLY GET A LOT INTO THE ACTUAL DISCUSSION OF THE PERCENTAGES.
UH, BUT THOSE ARE THE FOUR OPTIONS, UH, THAT WERE PRESENTED TO, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, THE ASK IS 10% OF THE BOND, A HUNDRED MILLION.
UH, THAT CONCLUDES THE, THE PRESENTATION JUST MOVING FORWARD.
WE DO HAVE A, UH, HOMELESS TOUR THAT'S ON JUNE 10TH, WHICH IS RIGHT BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING ON THE 13TH, WHICH WILL, WILL BE FOCUSED ON HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
QUESTIONS, MR. ROLLINS? YEAH, TONY.
SO IN THESE OPTIONS, DOES THAT TALK ABOUT HOUSING OR IS THIS JUST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT TODAY? STRICTLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOT INCLUDING HOUSING
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OR HOMELESSNESS? THAT'S CORRECT.SO Y'ALL ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT ON OTHER DAYS? YES.
WE'RE RUNNING REALLY, REALLY FAST THROUGH THESE MEETINGS.
UH, UM, OUR, MY COMMENTS TWO WEEKS AGO WERE BASICALLY ABOUT HOUSING.
UM, YOU KNOW, ROBIN DID GO THROUGH SOME SCENARIOS WHERE HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK HAND IN HAND FREQUENTLY.
THERE MIGHT BE OVERLAP IN SOME OF THE STUFF YOU MENTIONED ALREADY WITH HOUSING.
UH, THANKS FOR THE REPORT CHAIR, UH, WAS FOCUSED ON THE, THE FOUR PROJECT APPROACH.
AND JUST WONDERED IF YOU COULD TELL US AT A HIGH LEVEL WHAT THE VETTING PROCESS, APPLICATION PROCESS WAS FOR THOSE FOUR PROJECTS TO BE SELECTED.
THAT, THAT IS A MORE OF A STAFF QUESTION, BUT I COULD TELL YOU FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BIG CITY CHANGING TYPE OF PROJECTS.
UH, I CAN TELL YOU IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, UH, IT'S WILL CHANGE NORTH DALLAS FOREVER.
UH, HENSLEY FIELD IS MORE OR LESS THE SAME.
THE THESE ARE, THESE ARE KIND OF LEGACY PROJECTS, UH, THAT NEED KIND OF A, UH, A BIG INVESTMENT UP FRONT TO GET THEM MOVING.
UH, IN TERMS OF PLEASANT GROVE, UM, UH, PLEASANT GROVE IS A RELATIVELY NEW DISTRICT.
UH, IT USED TO BE A, A PIECE, A SMALL PIECE OF I THINK TWO OR THREE OTHER DISTRICTS.
AND SO THEREFORE, IT, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY, HISTORICALLY DIDN'T GET A LOT OF INVESTMENT, A LOT OF ATTENTION.
UH, AND SO THESE WERE TWO PROJECTS.
UH, IN FACT, THERE'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN TWO PROJECTS.
THERE'S TWO DART STATIONS THERE, UH, THAT ALSO HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF BEING REDEVELOPED.
UH, AND SO HISTORICALLY THAT AREA HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT NEGLECTED IN TERMS OF INVESTMENT.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER BIG PROJECTS THAT PROBABLY COULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THESE, BUT I THINK STAFF FELT THAT THESE WERE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, THE BIG CATALYST, BIG DREAM PROJECTS FOR THE CITY.
MR. COX, WHAT WAS THE REASONING, UH, BEHIND INCLUDING THESE PROJECTS IN A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND CATEGORY AS OPPOSED TO, SAY, A PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT IN A TIF CATEGORY? IS IT, WAS IT BECAUSE THE, THE AMOUNT OF THE UPFRONT MONEY WAS SO SUBSTANTIAL, OR COULD, WAS THERE AN ANALYSIS OF THAT? UH, ALSO A STAFF QUESTION, BUT YES, THERE WAS, UH, THERE WAS EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT TIF FUNDS.
UH, THESE ARE BIG, COMPLEX PROBLEM, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA NEED A CAPITAL STACK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IS GONNA PUT A SPREADSHEET TO WORK.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE, YES, I THINK SOME OF THESE, YOU KNOW, THE $20 MILLION ALLOCATIONS, I THINK WON'T EVEN, UH, PUT IN THE BASIC INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND ANY OF THESE ARE JUST KIND OF A DOWN PAYMENT.
UH, BUT YES, YOU WILL NEED TIF FUNDS AND OTHER, OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO EVEN GET THESE STARTED.
HENSLEY FIELD IS, IS ONE OF THOSE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT NEEDS EVERYTHING.
UM, SO WOULD THIS MONEY BE USED FOR, UM, SAY, HANSLEY FIELD TO CREATE INFRASTRUCTURE? OR IS IT MONEY TO HAVE AVAILABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH POTENTIAL INVESTORS? OR, I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT ARE A FEW OF THE USES OF THE FUNDS? GREAT QUESTION.
AND THAT WAS ASKED AND IT IS INFRASTRUCTURE.
HENSLEY FIELD, UH, LIKE I SAID, IS IT NEEDS, SO IT'S NOT TO INCENTIVIZE INVESTORS OTHER THAN BY GIVING THEM INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS EXACTLY LITERALLY THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED.
AND, AND, UH, STAFF DOESN'T FEEL THAT WITHOUT THIS KIND OF UPFRONT INVESTMENT INTO PUTTING, PUTTING IN SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'LL GET THE KIND OF PARTNERSHIPS THAT YOU MIGHT FIND IN OTHER PARTS OF TOWN.
OF COURSE, MS. YOUNG, I HAVE JUST A GENERAL COMMENT QUESTION.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT, WELL, I'M MAKING A REQUEST THAT WE HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS DURING THE Q AND A TO HELP ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS.
UH, CHAIRMAN BOOM, WITH PARKS.
WE, UH, WENT OVER, LIKE THE PARK DEPARTMENT WENT OVER THE SCORING CRITERIA AND NEEDS CRITERIA AND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE TO JUDGE PROJECTS THAT WILL BE IN THE BOND PROGRAM.
AND I HAVE WORKED WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT FOR PROBABLY 15 YEARS, AND I HAVE SUCH CONFIDENCE.
WE HAVE A GREAT PARK STAFF AND THOSE, THOSE DECISIONS AND EVALUATIONS WILL BE MADE VERY WELL.
UM, I'M VERY GLAD TO KNOW WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THOSE EVALUATIONS.
CAUSE I WAS THINKING AT FIRST, MAYBE WE DID, BUT WE DON'T.
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THE THINGS I'M THINKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF, OF PARKS IS THAT WE WERE IN THE, KIND OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF PARK FUNDING RIGHT NOW.PARKS ARE GETTING THE KIND OF FUNDING THAT ONLY HOSPITALS AND, UM, ARTS AND, UM, HOSPITAL ARTS AND OR MORE, UM, U USED TO GET, AND NOW, I MEAN, BIG FUNDER, BIG FUNDERS ARE GIVING LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO PARKS.
AND WE'RE, IT'S IN A GREAT TIME TO BE BUILDING PARKS.
AND SO THIS, THIS BOND PROGRAM IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT MOMENTUM GOING.
WE HAVE SO FAR, 126.5 MILLION IN MATCHING, MATCHING BOND REQUESTS.
UM, THAT'S, UH, EVERYTHING FROM A DALLAS ARBORETUM IN DALLAS ZOO FAIR PARK.
FIRST, I GUESS THAT'S THE COMMUNITY, PROBABLY THE COMMUNITY, UH, UM, PARK AT, AT FAIR PARK, UH, TRUST FOR PUBLIC LANDS, FIVE MILE CREEK PRODUCTS, UH, PROJECTS OF HIGH EQUITY VALUE PROJECTS THAT BASICALLY BOTH PROVIDE EXTRAORDINARY PRO UH, PARKS FOR AREAS, BUT ALSO TO SOME EXTENT, SOME SMALL EXTENT MAKE UP FOR RACIAL INEQUITY DISASTERS THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A GREAT TIME TO FUND PARKS.
AND WE, IN ORDER TO KEEP THE FUNDING GOING, WE REALLY NEED THIS, THIS BOND PROGRAM NEEDS TO REALLY COME THROUGH FOR PARKS.
I'M GOING, I'M IN THE PROCESS OF COMPILING A LIST FROM FUNDERS.
I'M GONNA FIND, FIND OUT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF BOND FUNDING THE LAST SEVEN TO 10 YEARS.
BUT I THINK THE AMOUNT, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S BEING PUT INTO PARKS WILL REALLY BE ASTONISHING.
UH, SO WHEN I GET THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO, IT'S NOT GONNA BE BY A PERSON OR BY, BY A FOUNDATION, BUT I GET A TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WILL JUST SHOW HOW, HOW AGGRESSIVE THE BOND, UM, UH, FUNDING FOR PARKS HAS BEEN.
SO I THINK THAT, UM, WE NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVE.
I MEAN, WE REALLY, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO REALLY REACH HIGH FOR PARK FUNDING THIS BOND ISSUE TO KEEP THAT MOMENTUM GOING.
THE OTHER THING I'M DOING IS I'VE HIRED A FORMER COLLEAGUE AT THE CONTAINER STORE TO DO A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ARTICLES.
AND THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM ABOUT THE, THE BENEFITS OF PARKS.
AND, YOU KNOW, ONE VERY GOOD ARTICLE I WROTE, READ, UH, SAID THAT RETURN FOR INVEST FOR DOLLAR INVESTED PARK THAT RETURNS FIVE, $5 AND 80 CENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BECAUSE PARKS ARE AN INVESTMENT IN, UH, HEALTH OF THEIR CITIZENS OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, OF ITS INVESTMENT IN MITIGATING HEAT ISLAND EFFECTS.
IT'S INVESTIGATE, IT'S, UH, INVESTMENT IN, IN, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, THE PARKS OUTSIDE OF THE DALLAS PUB, THE D I S D SCHOOLS ACTUALLY ARE PROVEN TO IMPROVE THE, THE PERFORMANCE OF KIDS, KIDS THAT GET TO PLAY DURING THE SCHOOL RECESS.
AND KIDS THAT EVEN GET TO SEE A TREE OUTSIDE THE WINDOW ACTUALLY PERFORM BETTER THAN KIDS THAT DON'T GET TO SEE A TREE.
SO IT, THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT PARKS PAY OFF.
SO I THINK WE, WE CAN'T LOOK AT PARK'S COST.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT AND WHAT THE RETURNS ON INVESTMENT IN SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS, UH, IN TERMS OF AIR QUALITY, WATER QUALITY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UM, SO I THINK IF WE LOOK AT ALL THOSE, THOSE DIFFERENT FACTORS FOR PARKS, WE'LL COME UP WITH A NUMBER OF THIS RIGHT, TO CONT TO MAINTAIN THE MOMENTUM THAT WE'VE GAINED IN THE PAST, UH, 10 TO 15 YEARS OF INVESTING IN PARKS.
AND IT'LL BE A, I THINK DALLAS CAN BECOME KNOWN FOR ITS PARKS.
WE'VE MADE BIG PROGRESS THE LAST 10 YEARS.
THE, UM, THE PARK, THE PARK SCORE FOR PROXIMITY PARKS WENT FROM, WENT UP 10 POINTS IN THE PAST, UH, LIKE SEVEN YEARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO WE'RE, WE'VE MADE BIG PROGRESS.
WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL NEED TO DO BETTER, BUT WE, WE'VE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS.
SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ME TO REALIZE FINALLY THE VISION OF KESSLER, WHO IMAGINED DALLAS AS BEING A CITY OF PARKS AND TREE, UH, BOULEVARDS.
AND, UH, AND THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THE CITY FATHERS AT THE TIME DECIDED THEY JUST OUGHT TO BUILD BEAR ROADS AND EVENTUALLY BUILD A LE LEVY TO STOP THE FUN, THE FLOODING.
BUT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO NOW ENVISION TO, TO CREATE A CITY THAT'S REALLY DEFINED BY ITS PARKS, ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL THE CITIZENS, EQUITABLE IN THE DISTRIBUTIONS, EQUITABLE IN TERMS OF, OF, UM, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FACILITIES, THE QUALITY OF FACILITIES.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
I THINK WE ALMOST HAVE A QUORUM OF
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PARK BOARD MEMBERS HERE.UM, I SAW MS. YOUNG FIRST, AND THEN MR. DICKEN, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
I THINK YOU ALL WERE, YOU WERE IN THE ROOM, UM, WHEN CHAIR GATES WAS TALKING ABOUT THE CRITICAL FACILITIES REPORT.
SHE HAD A QUESTION OVER WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER OUR REC CENTERS AND SOME OF THE FACILITIES IN THE PARK SYSTEM.
WOULD THEY PRIORITIZE 'EM OR WOULD YOUR COMMITTEE PRIORITIZE THEM? SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU ALL, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE MORE FOCUSED ON CONVERSATION AROUND THE PARKS, UM, BUT DID YOU ALL HAVE ANY CONVERSATION AROUND LIKE, REC CENTERS AND, AND THE NEEDS THERE AND HOW YOU WOULD MAYBE PRIORITIZE THOSE NEEDS? WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT YET.
I MEAN, WHEN, WHEN THE PARK DEPARTMENT MAKES, IT, MAKES ITS PRESENTATION TO US THAT WE'LL GET INTO THAT.
BUT WE, I MEAN CERTAINLY THEY'RE GONNA BE THE PARK, UH, UH, PARK DEPARTMENT'S PROPOSAL WILL INCLUDE REFURBISHING AND, AND, AND BUILDING SOME NEW REC CENTERS.
UH, I JUST WANNA NOTE FOR ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO MIGHT NOT RECOGNIZE HER, UH, PARK DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE SENIOR STAFF HERE AVAILABLE IF YOU NEED TO ASK QUESTIONS.
OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CHRIS TURNER, NOTE WHERE OVER PLANNING AND DESIGN IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND JUST WANT TO LET Y'ALL KNOW IN CASE YOU HAD ANY STAFF QUESTIONS.
PARK DEPARTMENT HAS OUR PERSON HERE.
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN BOONE, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UH, CHAIRWOMAN CHILDRESS WITH FLOOD PROTECTION AND STORM DRAINAGE.
UM, I'M FIRST GONNA WELCOME MY OWN STAFF WHO I'VE GOT HERE IN MASS ON THE LEFT SIDE.
UM, WE ARE GONNA GO THROUGH WITH YOU A LITTLE PRESENTATION.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA DISTRIBUTE.
DO WE HAVE COPIES? YES, WE HAVE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA JUST GO THROUGH WHAT WE'VE DONE QUICKLY.
THIS IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL TO BRING YOU ALONG WITH US ABOUT WHERE WE ARE.
FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR COMMITTEE EFFORTS, OUR TOUR.
I'LL GIVE YOU HIGH LEVEL ON TECHNICAL CRITERIA SO YOU KNOW HOW WE GOT WHERE WE'RE GONNA GO, AND A SUMMARY OF VARIOUS NEEDS IN CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE YET TO DEBATE.
AS FOR COMMITTEE EFFORTS, UH, WE DID OUR 1 0 1 MAY 11TH.
I THINK YOU GOT A VERSION OF THE 1 0 1 TONIGHT.
I DIDN'T GET TO HEAR IT, I JUST SAW IT ON THE TV.
BUT I'M GLAD CAUSE OUR EFFORT HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON EDUCATION AND WE KIND OF WANT TO BRING YOU ALONG IN A REASONABLE WAY WITH US IN THAT WE DID OUR TOUR EARLY AND Y'ALL, WE DID A TOUR MAY 20TH AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO LET ME JUST LAUNCH INTO THAT PIECE REAL QUICK IF WE CAN MOVE TO THE SLIDE.
UM, WE HAD A TOUR ATTENDED BY 13 SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU ALL CUZ I HAD THREE OF YOU TASK FORCE MEMBERS WITH US, MR. SHERMAN, MR. DICKEY AND MR. COATES.
SO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO OUR TOUR AND THEN THANK YOU TO GARRETT BOONE, ONE OF MY FELLOW SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS FOR COMING AS WELL.
THAT TOUR HAD FIVE DIFFERENT STOPS.
UM, JUST SO THAT OUR COMMITTEE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT CUZ NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FLOODS INHERENTLY, UM, THE WAY THEY MIGHT SAY A STREET OR A PARK.
SO WE NEEDED TO HAVE PEOPLE SEE IT AND TASTE IT AND, YOU KNOW, NOT TASTE IT, BUT TOUCH IT AND, AND, AND EXPERIENCE IT.
SO THE FIRST PLACE WE WENT WAS THE SOUTHWEST OPERATIONS CENTER WHERE IT'S REALLY THE KIND OF BRAINS, IF YOU WILL, OF, OF FLOOD MANAGEMENT WHERE THEY MONITOR SUMS AND STORM WATER, PUMP STATIONS, FLOOD ALERTS, WHERE EVERYTHING KIND OF COMES IN.
AND CAN WE GET THAT PICTURE UP OF THE STORM WATER OPERATIONS, THE, THE ONE BEFORE THAT, UM, WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE COMPUTER SCREENS ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND THAT'S REALLY THEIR MAPS AND ALL SORTS OF CONTROLS IS FRANKLY SMALLER THAN YOU'D THINK.
I MEAN, I THINK THE 9 1 1 CENTER FEELS A WHOLE LOT BIGGER.
BUT IF YOU CONSIDER THAT'S MONITORING A LOT OF THE WATER IN DALLAS IN A VERY SMALL ROOM.
THE SECOND PLACE WE WENT WAS THE ABLE PUMP STATION.
SO, UM, IT IS OUR STATE-OF-THE-ART AWARD-WINNING, UH, 888,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE PUMP STATION THAT TAKES WATER, UM, FROM THE PLACES IT DOES GO AND PUSHES IT UP INTO THE PLACE WE WANT IT, WHICH IS THAT WONDERFUL LEVY, UM, THAT HOLDS THE WATER AND KEEPS IT OUT OF OUR CITY.
UM, THIRD WE WENT TO, OH, THAT'S A NICE SAMPLE OF THE PUMP.
THAT'S WHAT THE BIG PUMP LOOKS LIKE, APPARENTLY THAT'S A REAL IMPRESSIVE PUMP.
THIRD, WE WENT AND THIS Y'ALL, THIS WAS THE BEST, UH, WE WENT TO THE MILL CREEK TUNNEL SO I KNOW, AND I'M SORRY Y'ALL, BUT Y'ALL AREN'T GONNA GET TO GO A HUNDRED FEET UNDERGROUND INTO A 35 FOOT STORM TUNNEL LIKE WE DID.
SO WE HAD TO GEAR UP AND GET OUR HARD HATS ON AND THE PART THEY DIDN'T TELL US, JUST SO YOU KNOW, CUZ YOUR GIRL WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS IF I DON'T AHEAD OF TIME, THAT WE'RE GETTING IN A BASKET ON THE END OF A CRANE THAT'S LIFTING US UP AND TAKING
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US DOWN UNDERGROUND ON THE END OF A CRANE.DID I SAY THAT? IT'S OKAY THOUGH.
YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF DID IT, AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PICTURES IN HERE ABOUT THE CRANE AND THE BASKET AND THEY LOWERED US DOWN SO WE COULD SEE WHAT AT THE TIME, WHAT I THINK THE LARGEST, UH, TUNNEL THAT WAS BUILT THIS WAY WITH THE LARGEST TUNNELING MACHINE.
IT'S QUITE AN IMPRESSIVE TUNNEL.
IT'S ABOUT 35 TO 30, 30 TO 35 FEET WIDE.
UM, IT WAS BUILT WITH MONEY FROM TWO DIFFERENT BOND PROJECTS.
2006 AND 2012 SPANS THREE, THREE COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
SO YOU CAN WALK DOWN AND THAT'S THE LITTLE BASKET THAT LOWERS YOU DOWN INTO THAT HOLE.
SEE, I THOUGHT THAT ELEVATOR THING WAS WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE ON, BUT WE WERE IN THE LITTLE BASKET AND GOT DOWN LOWER DOWN INTO THE HOLE AND THEN YOU CAN GO AND LITERALLY WALK INTO THE DRAINAGE TUNNEL CUZ THERE'S NO WATER IN IT YET.
THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT TUNNEL THOUGH BECAUSE IT REALLY HELPS HIGHLIGHT HOW STORM WATER HAS TO GET CARRIED SOMEWHERE.
AND THIS IS A VERY HIGH CAPACITY TUNNEL, AS YOU CAN SEE.
FOURTH PLACE WE WENT AFTER THAT.
NOW I'M GONNA TELL YOU, IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO TOP THIS.
SO I, I THINK NEXT TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT THE TUNNEL LAST CUZ IT GOT A LITTLE DULL AS DISHWATER AFTER THAT.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAD THEN GO SEE EROSION CONTROL, WHICH FRANKLY IS PROBABLY A LOT MORE WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE TOOK THE, WE TOOK A LOVELY BUS THE WHOLE TIME TO GO SEE AN EROSION CONTROL PROJECT THAT THIS IS EXAMPLES OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY.
UH, ONE THAT HAS AN EROSION CONTROL ISSUE WHERE THIS HOUSE THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS VERY CLOSE NOW TO A CREEK BANK.
THIS IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY EROSION EXAMPLE, UM, THAT I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH AS WE MOVE THROUGH OUR MEETINGS.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO REALLY SHOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT THAT'S A BIG CREEK THAT'S, THAT'S, UM, GETTING WAY TOO CLOSE TO THAT HOUSE.
WE THEN WENT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, AN EROSION CONTROL SOLVING PROJECT.
THIS IS A SOLUTION IS THESE GAYS, AND THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER WE GO IN AND WE FIX IT FOR, IN THIS CASE A PRIVATE HOMEOWNER.
AND THEN THE LAST THING WE DID WAS GO AND SEE A STORM, UH, DRAINAGE RELIEF PROJECT DOWN ON COMMERCE WHERE THEY GET A LOT OF FLOODING DOWN THERE.
AND WE, SO WE TOOK THE WHOLE CREW AND PILED BACK ON THE BUS AND WALKED DOWN AND WATCHED THEM.
THESE ARE BIG PIPES YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT THEY'RE DOING A DRAINAGE PROJECT.
SO THE, I THINK THE TEAM THROUGH THE TOUR, UM, AT LEAST CERTAINLY HAS A MORE VERY WORKING KNOWLEDGE, HANDS ON UNDERSTANDING.
YOU ALL ARE GONNA GET ONE OF THESE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THE ETHICS CODE PROHIBITS THIS.
SO WE, WE ALL, EVERYBODY WHO CAME ON OUR TOUR GOT A LITTLE GOODIE BAG, SO I THOUGHT Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE ONE TOO.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE ONE OF THESE BEFORE THE END OF THE NIGHT.
IT'S GOT LITTLE, UM, WATER DEPARTMENT GOODIES IN IT FOR YOU.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING WE'RE GONNA DO TONIGHT IS WHAT WE DID IN OUR COMMITTEE WAS GO THROUGH THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA THAT THE STAFF USES.
YOU'VE ALL SEEN A COPY OF THIS.
THESE ARE THE NEEDS INVENTORIES, THESE ARE KIND OF SPECIAL WATER NEEDS INVENTORIES THAT WERE DONE A LITTLE BIT BETTER I THINK, IN TERMS OF MORE DATA.
BUT ULTIMATELY WE WANTED, WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND DECIDE IN OUR COMMITTEE WHAT'S IMPORTANT HERE WITH THE MONEY WE'RE GIVEN.
SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THE STAFF HAS GOTTEN IN, PROJECTS IN AND THEY HAVE TO RATE THEM.
SO OF COURSE, LIKE MOST SUBCOMMITTEES PROBABLY DID TODAY, WE, WE GOT TAUGHT BY THE STAFF HOW THAT TECHNICAL NUMBER THAT'S ALREADY ON HERE WAS ACHIEVED.
AND I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL AT A HOPEFULLY HIGH QUICK LEVEL.
AND I'M GONNA HAVE MY STAFF MEMBER KIND OF RUN THROUGH THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR YOU IN THE THREE MAJOR AREAS OF FLOOD MANAGEMENT, EROSION CONTROL AND STORMWATER SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT, WELL, HOW DID THEY GET THERE ON THEIR TECHNICAL NUMBER.
AND THEN ALSO JUST A VERY QUICK, QUICK SUMMARY OF KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE, HAVE TO BE CONSIDERING SORT OF BALANCING CRITERIA THAT, THAT THE TECHNICAL NUMBER REALLY DOESN'T CAPTURE.
NOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET, WE'RE GOING TO, BUT AT LEAST MATT PINK, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR WILL GIVE YOU A QUICK AND DIRTY ON THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA HERE.
IF YOU JUST PULL THE MICROPHONE JUST A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, PLEASE.
MATT PINK, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DALLAS FOR UTILITIES.
UH, I KNOW I'M PROBABLY THE LAST THING KEEPING YOU FROM LEAVING TONIGHT, SO I'M GONNA TRY TO BE PRETTY BRIEF IN THIS.
PULL THE MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
SO I KNOW, UM, THE LAST THING KEEPING YOU FROM PROBABLY GOING HOME TONIGHT.
SO I'M GONNA TRY TO BE PRETTY BRIEF.
UM, AND YOU MAY HAVE SEEN SOME OF THIS, UH, IN THE COUNCIL PRESENTATIONS, BUT, UH, ON THIS SLIDE, THIS JUST BASICALLY GOES, HOW DO PROJECTS GET TO US? SO, UH, WE HAVE THE THREE 11 SYSTEM, COMMUNITY CALLS AND EMAILS, CITY COUNCIL, UH, WE DO DRAINAGE, MASTER PLANS, FLOOD AND MANAGEMENT STUDIES.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE HOW WE GET THE PROJECTS.
AND THEN STAFF WILL THEN TAKE THOSE, UH, PROJECT NEEDS, EVALUATE THEM WITH TECHNICAL CRITERIA, AND
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SCORE THEM AND PUT THEM INTO OUR NEEDS INVENTORY.AND WE, WE UPDATE THAT NEEDS INVENTORY FAIRLY REGULARLY WHEN THEIR SITE CONDITION CHANGES OR OTHER THINGS.
AND WE ALSO ESTIMATE THE COST ALONG WITH THE, THE WHAT'S NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH THE PROJECT.
SO JUST TO LEAD INTO THAT, UM, WE HAVE THREE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
UH, FLOOD MANAGEMENT PROJECT, WHICH IS SOME OF YOUR, UH, TYPICAL PROJECTS HERE ARE FLOOD MANAGEMENT STUDIES, BUT ALSO SOME BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS, UH, UH, CULVERT CROSSING SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE FLOODING AND KEEP IT OUT OF STREETS AND PROPERTY AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE VERY IMPACTFUL.
UM, ALSO IN THIS CATEGORY, MAYBE STORMWATER DAMS IS A, IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
SO WE LOOK AT, AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS HERE, THE FREQUENCY OF FLOODING, THE DEPTH OF THE FLOODING, UH, THE VELOCITY, UH, OF THE FLOODS SO THAT WE'RE CREATING A DANGEROUS SITUATION IN SOME CASES WITH TRAVEL AND, AND PEOPLE.
UM, AND THE NUMBER OF STRUCTURES AFFECTED AS WELL AS THE COST BENEFIT OF IMPLEMENTING THE PROJECT.
THOSE ARE THE, THE MAIN FACTORS WE LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE SCORING THAT CATEGORY.
UM, WE HAD A QUESTION IN OUR MEETING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND FLOOD MANAGEMENT? I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE THIS IS, THIS IS CREATING THE CAPACITY TO CONVEY THE STORM, THE RUNOFF.
SO IT, IT'S GOTTA GO SOMEWHERE.
SO THESE ARE TYPICALLY YOUR PIPES AND, AND PROJECTS LIKE THE MILL CREEK WITH THE TUNNEL, UH, CONVEYANCE SYSTEM.
SO, UH, WE LOOK AT WHERE THE FLOODING IS, IS IT AFFECTING MULTIPLE TRUCK STRUCTURES, A SINGLE STRUCTURE, UH, ROADWAYS.
AND BASED ON THAT, WE HAVE A HIGHER PRIORITY FOR WHEN IT'S AFFECTING MULTIPLE STRUCTURES.
UM, THE FREQUENCY OF THE FLOODING, THE DEPTH OF FLOODING, UH, AGAIN, UH, NUMBER OF STRUCTURES AFFECTED AND IT GET COST BENEFIT.
THAT'S ALWAYS, YOU SEE A COMMON THEME THERE.
UH, WHEN WE RATE OUR PROJECT SO QUICKLY MOVING, THE LAST CATEGORY WAS EROSION CONTROL.
I THINK ANITA DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT, HOW THAT IMPACTS OUR, UH, THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND SO WE, WE LOOK AT THE, THE DISTANCE OF THE STRUCTURE TO THAT CREEK BANK, THE DEPTH OF THE, THE, THE BANK, UH, HOW QUICKLY IS THE EROSION OCCURRING, AND THEN ALSO THE TYPE OF THREAT.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MORE WEIGHT WHEN THE THREAT IS, UH, AFFECTING SOMEONE'S HOME VERSUS A FENCE OR, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SAY AT A POOL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE, WE LOOK AT, TAKE THOSE FACTORS INTO ACCOUNT.
AND SO WHAT WE DID TONIGHT, UH, MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT SLIDES WAS ALSO SHOWED OUR, OUR COMMITTEE THE, THE IMPACT OR, YOU KNOW, THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE NEEDS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS JUST FOR EROSION CONTROL, FLOOD PROTECTION, STORM DRAIN.
UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE NUMBERS IN BLACK REPRESENT THE COST AS OF TODAY.
IF WE WERE TO ESCALATE THOSE COSTS JUST 15%, WHICH IS MOST LIKELY GONNA HAPPEN BY THE TIME WE IMPLEMENT THE PROJECTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD 2.6 BILLION OF NEEDS.
UH, WHEN YOU SAW THE NEEDS OVERALL ACROSS ALL THE, THE, THE PROJECT TYPES, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE, THE ONE WITHIN OUR PROPOSITION OR POTENTIAL PROPOSITION IS ABOUT 20% OF THE NEED.
AND SO YOU'LL PROBABLY HEAR MORE ABOUT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM OURSO COMMITTEE ON THE SIZE OF PROGRAM.
AND SO JUST AS A STARTING POINT, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA SAY, TAKE THE BILLION DOLLARS, UH, AND SAY 20%, THAT'S 200 MILLION JUST, AND WORK UP FROM THERE TO GIVE SOME, SOME OPTIONS.
BUT JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE SIGNIFICANCE AND, AND IMPACT OF, OF, UH, FLOODING AND, AND CITY OF DALLAS.
SO, UH, JUST JUST TO LEAVE YOU ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE KINDA LEFT OUR SUBCOMMITTEE WITH CONSIDERATIONS.
WE DETERMINE THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA, BUT THERE ARE BALANCING CRITERIA THAT MUST BE CONSIDERED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE SAID, THIS IS WHERE YOUR PARTICIPATION IS IMPORTANT.
AND SO I, I THINK I WANNA LEAVE YOU GUYS ALSO WITH SOME OF THESE THINGS, THESE THOUGHT-PROVOKING THINGS.
YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO FOCUS ON CITYWIDE PROJECTS, UH, OR A NEIGHBORHOOD FOCUS? WE'VE DONE SOME OF THE BIG PROJECTS LIKE MILL CREEK, UM, NOW WE NEED TO CONNECT OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY TO THOSE, UH, PROJECTS.
WE'VE MADE A HUGE INVESTMENT WHERE WE'VE GOTTA GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALSO IMPROVE THOSE SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM TO THESE BIG PUMP STATIONS AND TUNNELS THAT WE'VE DONE TO REALLY IMPROVE THE SITUATION FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTS.
OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE A MIX OF, OF PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE SOME LARGER PROJECTS, SIGNATURE TYPE PROJECT, AND THEN ALSO FOCUS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO, UM, EROSION CONTROL, WE ASK THEM.
IF THEY, IF WE, WE AS A CITY WANT TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN PRIVATE EROSION, TYPICALLY PRIVATE EROSION BA BASED ON THE WAY PROPERTIES ARE PLATTED, DEEDED IS A PRIVATE OWNER RESPONSIBILITY.
BUT LIKE OTHER PROGRAMS, THE CITY HAS SIDEWALK PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PAST BODIES HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO HELP HOMEOWNERS WHEN THEY CAN'T AFFORD A $500,000 FIX TO AN EROSION PROBLEM.
SO THROUGH THE BOND PROGRAM IS THE ONLY
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MEANS WHICH WE CAN ADDRESS EROSION, UH, AND HELP PEOPLE IN THAT SITUATION.SO, UM, WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT A FEW OTHER FACTORS.
DO WE WANNA FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL VERSUS NON-RESIDENTIAL? SHOULD WE BE HELPING, UH, UH, SOMEONE WHO'S RENTING A PROPERTY AND MAKING MONEY, OR SOMEONE WHO'S APARTMENT COMPLEX VERSUS THE ACTUAL RESIDENT, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SITUATION WHEN WE LOOK AT EROSION CONTROL.
UM, AND I THINK MY LAST TWO SLIDES ARE JUST SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT I MENTIONED OR BALANCING, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED OUR, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, DO WE WANT TO JUST SAY WE'VE GOT X DOLLARS AND WE WANNA BREAK IT UP 14 WAYS.
UH, DO WE WANT TO BASE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE TECHNICAL SCORE? DO WE WANT TO HAVE A RATIO OF THE DEEDS WE LEARNED WITHIN OUR SUBCOMMITTEE TONIGHT THAT, UH, DIFFERENT DISTRICTS HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS WITHIN, UH, FLOODING? YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO AND SIX, WHICH ARE, AND ALONG WITH CITYWIDE, WHICH HAVE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT NEEDS.
SO SHOULD WE ADDRESS THAT IN TERMS OF THE RATIO OF THE NEEDS AND NOT JUST CHOP IT UP EQUALLY TO EACH COUNCIL'S DISTRICT? SO THESE WERE THINGS WE, WE MENTIONED AND, AND, AND MAYBE A COMBINATION AND SENSITIVITY TO ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND DO WE WANT TO CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF TIME A PROJECT'S BEEN IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND THE AMOUNT OF SERVICE REQUESTS? SO WE, WE GAVE THEM SOME INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING'S BEEN IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY A LONG TIME, IT MAY SCORE LOWER SO THE ACTUAL OTHER PROJECT IS ACTUALLY A GREATER NEED OR HAS A GREATER IMPACT.
UM, AND SERVICE REQUEST, AS ANYBODY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS CALL IN MORE THAN OTHERS AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS AN INDICATION OF THE GREATEST NEED.
SO WE DIDN'T TELL 'EM NECESSARILY HOW TO THINK, BUT WE PUT THESE THINGS, UH, FOR THEM AND THEN WE LEFT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
UH, JUST, JUST SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS, YOU KNOW, BEING SMART ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROXIMITY TO OTHER PROJECTS.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE THE GREATEST THING I CAN THINK OF IS, IS WE'RE GONNA NEED TO COORDINATE WITH, UH, THE STREETS PROPOSITION.
BECAUSE MANY TIMES WHEN YOU UPDATE THE STREET, YOU'RE UPDATING THE DRAINAGE.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE, UH, NOT OVERLAPPING THERE.
AND, AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT ALLOCATION OF FUNDS, SIGNATURE PROJECT AND, AND HOW WE MAY HAVE TO CAP COST ON HOW WE, UH, GO AFTER PROJECTS BECAUSE, UM, WE HAVE PROJECTS IN THE 200, A HUNDRED MILLION NEED WITHIN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY.
AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ENOUGH MONEY TO DO ALL THOSE PROJECTS.
SO, UM, JUST TO END, WE, WE LEFT OUR SUBCOMMITTEE WITH A, UH, LIST OF PROJECTS WATCH, I THINK ANITA KIND OF SHOWED AND WE TRIED TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR THEM BASED ON SCORE AND LEFT THEM WITH THAT, UH, THIS EVENING SO THAT WE'LL COME BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND GIVE THEM KIND OF A STAFF RECOMMENDED, UH, LIST OF PROJECTS AND THEY'VE GOT THESE THINGS IN THEIR HEAD TO BE THINKING ABOUT.
AND THEN FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, IT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A, UH, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE'LL BE TALKING LESS AT THEM AND THEY'LL BE TALKING MORE TO EACH OTHER AND DETERMINING WHICH ROUTE WE GO.
SO I THINK, I THINK THAT COVERED EVERYTHING TONIGHT AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, MEMBERS QUESTIONS.
MR. CONNOR? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION IN THE BRIEFING EARLIER ABOUT, UM, THE EROSION CONTROL.
UM, AND SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY HOMEOWNERS HAVE WE PASSED HAVE WE HELPED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS? UM, INTO WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE, THE EROSION CONTROL FOR CREEKS OR I THINK, CAUSE I THINK THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS EARLIER ABOUT THE ACCESS AND THE AWARENESS OF THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO COME IN AND DO THAT.
DO WE HAVE A, DO WE HAVE A NUMBER ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER, BUT THAT, AS I MENTIONED, THE BOND PROGRAM IS THE VEHICLE FOR EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS.
AND OUR LAST, UH, BOND 2017 BOND PROGRAM IS 48.75 MILLION.
IF I HAD TO VENTURE A GUESS, UH, MAYBE ON THE ORDER OF 20% OF THAT 2020 5% OF THAT WAS DEDICATED TO EROSION CONTROL, UM, I COULD DEFINITELY I COULD, WHATEVER NUMBER YOU WANT IN A TIMEFRAME, YOU WANT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME TONIGHT.
YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST LOVE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, FROM AN EROSION CONTROL PERSPECTIVE.
SO IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD HAVE, THAT WOULD BE A BIG PIECE OF WHAT WE WERE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT WAS THE EROSION CONTROL WITH THE CREEKS.
UM, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT EARLIER, JUST WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE HISTORICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE EROSION CONTROL FOR PRIVATE HOMEOWNERS LOOK LIKE? AND THEN YOU MADE A COMMENT EARLIER, JUST REAL QUICK ABOUT RENTERS VERSUS HOMEOWNERS, ABOUT APARTMENT COMPLEXES VERSUS HOMEOWNERS.
AND, AND I WANTED TO SEE IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU SAID SOMETHING TO THE, TO THE EFFECT OF WANTING TO BENEFIT HOMEOWNERS VERSUS A, A PROPERTY THAT WAS COLLECTING A RENT.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED YOU TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WAS JUST A CONSIDERATION FOR, UH, THAT I WANTED TO PUT OUT TO THE, OUR SUBCOMMITTEE.
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DO WE WANT TO, IF WE'RE TARGETING A EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS, DO WE WANT TO PUT A GREATER EMPHASIS ON THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE BENE BENEFITING THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER THAT LIVES THERE, UH, VERSUS, UH, MAYBE A RENTAL PROPERTY OR, UH, QUASI COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS FOR THEM TO CONSIDER.
I WAS NOT SAYING IN ANY WAY TO THEM, YOU KNOW, I RECOMMEND THIS OR THAT, BUT THESE, I'M TRYING TO GIVE THEM THOUGHT PROVOKING THINGS THAT THE BALANCING CRITERIA OF, LIKE, WE CAN GO BASED ON NUMBERS ALONE, BUT HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE THEN ALSO LOOK AT IT BEYOND THE NUMBERS? OKAY.
YEAH, I'D BE REALLY INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT CONVERSATION PLAYS OUT.
UM, JUST FROM A EQUITABLE, MY COLLEAGUE MS. RICE WAS TALKING ABOUT EQUITY EARLIER.
AND SO JUST, UM, THE EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE PERSPECTIVE AND, AND ALSO THE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.
I MEAN, IF I OWNED A HOUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I THAT HAD AN EROSION ISSUE, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER MITIGATE MY CHILD TRYING TO GO TO THAT AREA VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A GROUP OF KIDS PLAYING AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX CLOSE TO AN ERODING BANK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT? THANK YOU.
UM, ON THIS SLIDE, I THINK IT WAS, UH, PAGE 12 THAT TALKS ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL BOND CONSIDERATIONS OF THE SAME VALUE OF IMPROVEMENTS TO EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT OR PROJECT SCORE RATIO OF NEEDS OR COMBINATION OF THE, WHO'S GONNA DETERMINE THAT? IS IT GOING TO BE THE SUBCOMMITTEE OR IS IT GONNA BE THE THIS COMMITTEE OR STAFF WHO, WHO'S GOING TO DETERMINE, UM, WHICH, WHICH ROUTE TO GO? AND IS IT GONNA BE PROBABLY DETERMINED BECAUSE OF WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE IN TERMS OF EQUITY OR, I'M JUST, I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
WELL, WE'RE GOING TO, I THINK THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS CHARGED WITH MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION FIRST, AND THAT'S WHAT WE INTEND TO PRODUCE AT OUR LAST MEETING AND THEN SEND TO YOU.
SO YOU CERTAINLY CAN TAKE WHAT WE, YOU'D THINK AND ALTER IT IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, A BASE TECHNICAL CRITERIA THAT WE'VE, UM, BEEN BRIEFED ON TONIGHT.
AND THEN I THINK THE COMMITTEE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL DECIDE WHAT OTHER BALANCING CRITERIA IT FEELS NEED WEIGHT, AND THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET, OTHER THAN TO START TRYING TO INITIATE THE DISCUSSION.
WE DO INTEND TO HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS ON JUNE 13TH, WHERE WE WILL GET OUR FIRST, UM, LOOK AT WHAT THE STAFF, WHICH ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN, IN OUR VIEW.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO US BASED ON VARIOUS FUNDING LEVELS AND, AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.
AND I THINK THAT WILL GIVE EVERYBODY A STARTING POINT, UM, TO GO FROM, AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE TO LET START THINGS, START TO PERCOLATE FROM THERE, UM, AS TO SEE WHAT THINGS WE THINK ARE RELEVANT.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE SOME FORM OF NARROWING OF THAT, MUCH LIKE YOU SAW AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL WITH THE LAYERING OR THE ADDITIONAL POINTS, BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET.
IN REGARDS TO BACK TO THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY AND EROSION CONTROL, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UH, I USED TO WORK FOR A CITY AND, AND DEALT AND WORKED WITH A NUMBER OF OTHER CITIES IN TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT ARE THE BEST MECHANISMS OF HELPING PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WITH EROSION CONTROL.
AND ONE OF THE, UH, THE WALLS WE KEPT ON COMING UP AGAINST WAS THE TEXAS CONSTITUTION PROHIBITS THE USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY, UH, FOR PRIVATE PROPERTY TO IMPROVE PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND SO THAT THERE WAS A LEGAL ISSUE THERE.
AND SO MOST CITIES THINK AROUND DALLAS CAN'T USE THAT.
AND I, AND MAYBE DALLAS HAD A DIFFERENT LEGAL OPINION ON THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT, UH, THE, THE WAY THAT, UM, THAT WE KIND OF, AFTER DOING A LOT OF ANALYSIS AND UH, AND LOOKING AT WHAT LIKE ARLINGTON HAS DONE IN SOME OTHER CITIES IS THAT IF YOU, UM, LOOKED AT KIND OF A REACH APPROACH WHERE YOU'RE, UM, YOU HAVE A STUDY THAT SHOWS ARE THERE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM A, A, SOME KIND OF AN IMPROVEMENT TO CONTROL THE EROSION THAT YOU'RE IN EFFECT, UM, BENEFITING THE PUBLIC.
AND SO THAT WAS A LEGAL MECHANISM SO THAT YOU COULD USE PUBLIC MONEY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND, AND I SAY THAT WITH THE, THE, THE REASONING THAT YOU CAN SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY ON EROSION CONTROL ON ONESIES AND TWOSIES, UH, AND, AND MAYBE NOT EFFECTIVELY IMPROVE A CREEK SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.
AND SO MY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT SHOULD WE CONTINUE PRIVATE, SHOULD WE HAVE A MIX AND THAT KIND OF THING, I, I'M LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE, THE GREATER GOOD FOR THE WHOLE CREEK SYSTEM.
AND THAT IF YOU LOOK AT PERHAPS, UH, THROW THAT OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT MAYBE, UH, HAVING AN ENGINEERING STUDY DONE, WHERE ARE THERE REACHES WITHIN A CREEK SYSTEM THAT WOULD IMPROVE MORE THAN ONE PROPERTY THAT I THINK YOU CAN HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF, OF MEETING LEGAL MUSTER
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AS WELL AS, UH, HAVING A MORE, UM, A SMART WAY OF USING PUBLIC FUNDS.SO, UM, AND I HADN'T KNOW IF YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PROCESS, BUT, UH, I GOT THE IDEA FROM ARLINGTON, AND WE'VE USED IT WHEN I WORKED IN FARMER'S BRANCH, WE USED IT THERE AND IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE AND IT PROVIDED A WAY FOR US TO SAY, FOR THE, THE ONE OUTLIER THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL HELP YOU WITH A BAG WALL PROGRAM, A 50 50 SPLIT, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, BUT WE CAN'T PAY COMPLETELY FOR YOUR IMPROVEMENT.
UH, AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE ISSUE ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
WHO DOES THE MAINTENANCE IF THE CITY GOES IN AND DOES A, A ONESIE IMPROVEMENT, BUT A, A BIG WALL UP, WHO'S GONNA DO THE MAINTENANCE ON A, ON A GO FORWARD BASIS? SO THAT BECOMES QUITE EXPENSIVE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT, UH, IF DALLAS HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT I THROW THAT OUT.
WHAT'S THAT QUESTION? DO YOU WANT TO, WE, WE UNDERSTAND OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BOND CAN BE USED, ONLY THE BOND CAN BE USED FOR EROSION CONTROL.
IS THAT YOUR, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE INQUIRING ABOUT UNDER OUR ORDINANCE? I'M, I'M JUST SAYING THAT MAY, THAT MAY NOT BE THE MOST EFFICIENT USE OF THAT FUNDING IF YOU'RE JUST DOING ONESIES AND TWOSIES WITH WHETHER IT BOND MONEY OR TAX, IT'S, IT'S ALL TAXPAYER MONEY AT THE END OF THE DAY.
UH, SO I'LL JUST ADD, I KNOW THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD A RECENT CONVERSATION ABOUT COOMBS CREEK AND LOOKING AT THAT HOLISTICALLY, WE'VE ALSO, SARAH AND I HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION.
YOU KNOW, I'M A LITTLE NEW TO THE STORMWATER SIDE BEING A WATER DEPARTMENT GUY FOR, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE LAST FEW YEARS.
BUT, UM, TO LOOK AT THINGS MORE HOLISTICALLY.
SO WE MAY GET A CALL ABOUT A SPECIFIC PROPERTY, LET, BUT LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THE ENTIRE REACH FROM HERE TO HERE AND BE HOLISTIC IN HOW WE ADDRESS THAT AND NOT BE A ONE-OFF SITUATION, NOT, SARAH MAY HISTORICALLY HAVE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S DECISION IN 1985, UH, TO, TO DO PRIVATE EROSION CONTROL.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT.
HI, SARAH STANDER, FIRST ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DALLAS WATER UTILITIES.
UM, JUST FOR CLARITY PURPOSES, THE CITY REQUIRES AN EASEMENT.
SO BEFORE WE CAN PROCEED WITH ANY EROSION, SINGLE, MULTIPLE DOUBLE PROPERTIES, HOWEVER WE'RE GONNA WORK IT, WE WILL REQUIRE AN EASEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE EASEMENT INSTRUMENT.
IT REQUIRES THAT THEY MAINTAIN THE IMPROVEMENT FROM THERE FORWARD.
IF WE ARE UNABLE TO OBTAIN THAT EASEMENT, THEN THE PROPERTY DOES NOT RECEIVE THE PROJECT.
AND A INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER CAN ACTUALLY CAUSE EVERYBODY IN THE CREEK STRETCH TO NOT GET THE IMPROVEMENT IF THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE IN THE RIGHT SPOT.
SO THAT WAY IT IS NOT A PUBLIC GIFT AND IT'S NOT A VIOLATION OF IRS LAW.
AND ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, CHAIRWOMAN CHILDRESS, THANK YOU TO ALL THE CHAIRS.
IT IS NOW 8 53 AND WITHOUT OBJECTIONS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.