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[Environmental Health Committee on June 1, 2023. ]
GOOD PEOPLE.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER OUR SCHEDULE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE, UH, MEETING.
UM, THIS IS JUNE 1ST, UH, 2023.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
UM, FIRST, UH, YOU KNOW, FOREMOST, WE WANT TO, UM, FIND WE HAVE ANY, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS WITH US.
AND WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKER WITH US REPEATING.
I DO NOT SEE ANY, I JUST KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN EMAIL CIRCULATING, UH, IN THAT REGARD EARLIER.
AND SO, UH, TODAY, UM, WE HAVE ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS AND, UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE FOR OUR, UH, BUMPER ZONE FOR THE DASH PLANTS.
AND AT THIS TIME, I AM GOING TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO OUR ESTEEM, UM, VICE CHAIR, MS. UH, RENEE ROBERTSON, WHO IS GOING TO, UH, GUIDE US THROUGH THIS PROCESS.
SO DOES EVERYONE HAVE A COPY OF IT IN FRONT OF THEM OR DO I NEED TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN? YOU GET IT EASY ENOUGH.
LOCK? I SAID YOU CAN GET IT EASY ENOUGH.
SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IT UP THERE.
WE HAVE SOME BACKGROUND NUMBERS, SO HANG ON.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE DOOR TO THE CONFERENCE.
SOME OF YOU JUST RECEIVED IT, SO IT'S IN YOUR EMAIL.
TAKE A COUPLE SECONDS TO READ IT.
WE HAVE, I HAD IT AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, BUT I ADDED SOME THINGS TO IT.
WE HAD, UH, TALKED ABOUT KIND OF CLEANING IT UP A LITTLE BIT OR ADDING THINGS TO IT.
WE WANT TO BE FINISHED BY, NO LATER THE 6TH OF JUNE, WHICH IS MONDAY.
SO IT CAN GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE NINTH.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT, AARON? YES.
AND SO THAT, THAT'S THE GOAL THAT WE HAVE.
JUST, I'M SORRY, IS THE SUM TOTAL OF THE MEMO, WHAT WAS IN THE EMAIL? UH, UH, OUTLINES, RECOMMENDATIONS, REVIEW OF EVIDENCE-BASED DATA, PEER REVIEW, AND COMMUNITIES WITHIN.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN IN AN EMAIL THAT YOU WOULD'VE JUST RECEIVED, PROBABLY LIKE AT SIX SOMETHING UHHUH,
LEMME TRY, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND START READING IT CUZ YOU HAVE THE FIRST THREE PARAGRAPH.
UM, THIS MEMORANDUM OUTLINES RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONING FOR DEFINING BUFFER ZONES FOR BATCH PLANTS AND ALL ENTITIES PRODUCING PARTICULAR MATTER OR ANY TOXINS THAT IMPACT THE HEALTH OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY.
REVIEW OF EVIDENCE-BASED DATA AND PEER REVIEWED ARTICLES, IDENTIFYING THE BYPRODUCTS OF THESE ENTITIES SUPPORT THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION TO INCREASE THE BUFFERS ZONE FROM 400 FEET TO AT LEAST 1500.
UM, COMMUNITIES WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO BATCH PLANTS AND ENTITIES MAY PRODUCE SIMILAR TOXINS.
EXPERIENCE A HIGH INCIDENT OF DEVELOPING CHILDHOOD ASTHMA, INCLUDING OTHER RESPIRATORY DISEASES THAT IN FACT PROBABLY LIFE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE EXPOSURE FROM THESE POLLUTANTS.
IN DALLAS COUNTY, BATCH PLANTS ARE CONCENTRATED, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG OR CONCENTRATED EXCLUSIVELY IN WEST DALLAS DAPI, UH, AND SOUTHEAST O CLIFF.
IT IS EVIDENCE THAT THE HEALTH OF INDIVIDUALS LIVING WITHIN THESE, WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO BATCH PLANTS, CONCRETE PRESSURE AND THE LIGHT IS COMPROMISED BY A SHORT DISTANCE.
THESE PARTICLES ARE DOCUMENTED TO TRAVEL FOR LONG INVESTMENT.
IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THIS COMMITTEE THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF A 400 FOOT DISTANCE CREATES AN ENVIRONMENTAL DISPARITY AND IMPACTS THE HEALTH OF RESIDENTS.
THE ARTICLES THAT ARE LISTED BELOW, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE READ 10 OR 20 ARTICLES.
WE CAN ADD MORE CAUSE WE HAD SOME COME IN OVER TIME, BUT WE DID WORKING ON THIS.
BUT, UH, WHAT'S ALARMING IS THAT WHEN READ THOSE ARTICLES, THOSE PARTICLES, AND IT'S NOT NECESS, I KNOW LOTS OF THINGS ARE BASED ON WHEN, BUT THOSE PARTICLES TRAVEL
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PRETTY SHORT DISTANCE.SO YOU DON'T NEED TO BE 400 FEET AWAY TO GET EXPUNGED.
UM, AND THE ONE, UH, ENTITY THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE WAITING ON THE BACK OF IT.
UH, THIS LADY'S BACKYARD IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.
IT'S THE ONE IN JOCK, BASICALLY IN JOCKEY.
HER BACKYARD IS PARKED, BECOMES PARKED KIND OF IT.
THEY NEED TO BE FURTHER AWAY BECAUSE THESE PARTICLES BE TRACKED.
SO THAT'S WHAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION.
AND AGAIN, THE CORRECTION I NEED, AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE ARE NO BATCH PLANTS IN INWARD NORTH.
THERE'S, UH, WEST DALLAS DOEY DISTRICT EIGHT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY.
THEN THEY'RE NODDING IN, IN, IN DISTRICT FOUR OF THE DISTRICT EIGHT IN BOTH AREAS THAT I'M DESCRIBING.
THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BATCH PLANTS IN DISTRICT SIX UP IN NORTHWEST DALLAS, UH, NEAR THE WALNUT HILL CORRIDOR.
IT'S WHERE THEY'RE IN, THEY'RE IN DISTRICT SIX, UM, IN NORTHWEST DALLAS ALONG THE WALNUT HILL CORRIDOR.
UM, JUST WEST ALONG, UH, NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
THERE'S SOME IN ALONG WHERE THE RIVER IS AND SOME OF THEM ARE ILLEGAL AS WELL.
I KNOW CUZ WE'RE CHASING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE BEST TO SAY THAT THEY'RE LOCATED IN DISTRICT SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT? THAT WORKS? YEAH.
AND THEN, UM, NOW I KNOW AT THE LAST CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING, IT WAS TALKING ABOUT MOVING THE BUFFET.
SO 400 TO 1600 RIGHT? I THOUGHT IT WAS 16 TO 1600.
IS SCHOOL
SUSAN, SORRY, I HAVE MY MOUTH FULL OF PEANUT BUTTER.
UM, I'M JEALOUS CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SNACKS IN HERE FOR ME, REALLY? I'M SORRY.
UM, I THINK IT WAS, I THINK IT WAS 1500 IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.
THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER YOU SAYING WAS 1500.
I WILL TELL YOU, OUR FRIENDS IN AUSTIN MAY HAVE THROWN A WRENCH IN ALL OF THIS, AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE BILLS THAT THEY PASSED.
UM, THE ONE THAT IS REALLY PROBLEMATIC IS, UM, THE ONE THEY CALL THE DEATH STAR BILL.
IT'S SENATE BILL, I WANT TO SAY 10 17.
AND THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT CITIES CAN'T PASS LEGISLATION THAT IS MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN STATE RULES.
UHHUH
AND SO I THINK THAT ONE'S SETTING UP PROBABLY FOR, UH, A LAWSUIT RELATED TO LOCAL CONTROL RULES.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THAT, THAT WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO GET SOME INPUT.
I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION IS GREAT.
I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN IS DOING.
BUT WE MAY HAVE TO GET OUR FRIENDS IN THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO EVEN WEIGH IN ON IF WE CAN DO THIS OR NOT.
AND AS I SAID, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE PENDING LITIGATION ABOUT IT.
BUT SO, SO THEN QUESTION FOR YOU.
THAT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY, UH, THAT WE ARE IN THIS PRECARIOUS POSITION.
SO THEN DO WE, DO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION OR DO WE NEED TO PRESS PAUSE UNTIL WE HAVE GREATER CLARITY? I THINK WE PUSH FORWARD.
I DON'T THINK OUR RECOMMEND I DON'T THINK, I'M SORRY.
I WAS TRYING TO LISTEN TO SUSAN JUST A MINUTE.
LOCKMAN, WHAT'D YOU SAY, SUSAN? I I THINK WE GO AHEAD WITH IT AS OUR RECOMMENDATION.
I KNOW THAT PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN IS STILL, CUZ I JUST CHECKED ON THEM, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PHASE TWO RULE MAKING AND THIS RECOMMENDATION SUPPORTS THE WORK THEY'RE DOING.
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT THE STATE SAYS, NO, YOU CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE CAN'T DO IT.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING, WHICH IS DO THAT RECOMMENDATION.
OH, IT, IT DOES, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
JUST WANTED, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW
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LIKE WHAT STEPS WE NEEDED TO BE MINDFUL OF, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT MINDS, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY LIE AHEAD OF US IN THIS, THIS EFFORT.THIS IS ONE OF THOSE DEALS SUSAN TALKED THAT, UH, UH, RITA WAS TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, I DON'T WANNA WASTE OUR TIME, BUT I DON'T THINK OUR TIME ON THIS IS WASTED BECAUSE THERE IS PENDING CITY RESOLUTION ON IT.
UM, AND WE DRAFTED THE WORK WE WERE DOING LOCALLY BECAUSE WE SAW A PLACE WHERE WE COULD, IT'S WHERE THE CITY ACTUALLY HAD CONTROL.
AND SO I FEEL LIKE WE MOVED FORWARD WITH IT.
AND THEN AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF THEY SAY, NO, WE CAN'T DO THAT CUZ OF WE LOST LOCAL CONTROL, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY.
BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I THINK WE GO, I THINK WE GO AHEAD WITH IT FOR THOSE REASONS.
IF IT'S DECIDED THAT THE, THAT THE STATE BILL PREEM SET THE EFFECT THAT IF WE CAN DO A GOOD JOB OF DOCUMENTING THE EFFECT, THEN UM, YOU ARE, YOU'RE ENHANCING THE CHANCES IF A LAWSUIT HAPPENS OF GETTING AN INJUNCTION BECAUSE OF IRREPARABLE HARM, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO I THINK THAT ANYTHING WE CAN DO, UM, TO ENHANCE THAT IS DESIRABLE.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UM, I SPENT ONE DAY DURING THE SESSION, I WAS IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BILL IN THE CAPITOL AND, UH, AT, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I CONNECTED BACK UP AFTER A PERIOD OF TIME WITH REPRESENTATIVE RAPHAEL AND SHIA AND, UM, UM, CATHERINE, UM, WAS IN HIS OFFICE BECAUSE THEY WERE TESTIFYING IN FAVOR OF A, THE BILL THAT HE WAS SPONSORING THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT.
BUT, UH, HIS STAFF TALKED TO ME AFTERWARDS TO, UM, THEY WANTED TO WORK ON ASTHMA AND ENVIRONMENT RELATED LEGISLATION AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR NEXT SESSION.
SO IF WE GET PREEMPTED ON THIS BECAUSE OF THE STATE RULING, THEN THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOES INTO OUR WORK WITH AN SHIA IS THE ABILITY TO, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, TO TO REIN TO INSTITUTE WHAT WE WANT.
ADMITTEDLY WE WE'RE OUT TO TWO AND A HALF YEARS, BUT AT LEAST WE GET THERE.
UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME MOVEMENT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT MAY HELP AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT TIGHTENING UP THE REGULATIONS AROUND PARTICULATES.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TIES BETWEEN PARTICULATES AND ASTHMA.
SO, AND IT'S SOUNDING KIND OF PROMISING TO BE HONEST.
I THINK WE, WE GO AHEAD AND PUT IT DOWN BECAUSE THEN IF AND WHEN THOSE OTHER THINGS COME ABOUT, WE'VE GOT, WE'RE READY TO GO.
HERE'S WHAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED, LET'S DO IT.
AND IT MAKES IT A WHOLE LOT EASIER.
THE OTHER THING, UH, AND RENEE, UM, RENEE, UH, I, I SAW SOMETHING FROM YOU TODAY.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS.
OH, P I, UM, YEAH, WITH THE PARKLAND CENTER FOR CLINICAL INNOVATION, THEY'VE NOW CREATED THAT REALLY, REALLY AMAZING VULNERABILITY INDEX.
UM, AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE UTILITY OF THIS, UM, I'M WORKING IN ANOTHER CONTEXT ON, UM, PROVING THROUGH DALLAS AREA INTERFAITH WITH IMPROVING MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AT OUR LADY OF LORDS.
AND, UM, UH, STEVE MIFF FROM P C C I PRESENTED AT A ME PUBLIC MEETING THAT WE HAD ON THE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH VULNERABILITY IN THAT THAT PARTICULAR, UH, CENSUS TRACT THAT OUR LADY OF LORDS IS IN, IT'S IN A FIVE, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF NEED IN MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD, UM, LIKE YOU TO DO SOMEBODY TO DO, UH, PROBABLY SUSAN, IS SEND ME A LIST OF ALL OF THE BATCH PLANTS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT WITH ADDRESSES.
AND I'LL GO BACK TO STEVE MIFF AND SEE IF WE CAN MAP THE ASTHMA VULNERABILITY OF,
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UM, OF THOSE CENSUS TRACKS.BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT THAT WILL REALLY ENHANCE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY ABOUT THE NEED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT.
UM, WE'RE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
UH, WE DO HAVE GIS MAPPING OF EXISTING AND FORMER BATCH PLANTS THAT COULD BE VERY EASILY OVERLAID.
CAUSE WE NEED, SO WHEN YOU ALL LOOK AT THE, LOOK AT THE MEMORANDUM AS WRITTEN, DO YOU WANT TO, WHAT THE PLAN IS, WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS MAKE ADDITIONS TO IT? OR, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY I THINK IT'S LONG ENOUGH AT A CERTAIN POINT PEOPLE STOP READING.
SO IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO I PROJECT? UM, DO YOU GUYS WANNA MAKE CHANGES AND SEND THOSE? I WOULD SAY THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING IS INSTEAD OF IDENTIFYING THE, THE, UM, THE SIZE OF TOWN THAT WE JUST SAY THAT YEAH.
AND JUST WANNA MAKE CERTAIN, UM, AND WITH YOU SO THAT THOSE DISTRICT DISTRICTS ARE SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER OUTLIERS THAT WE'RE, THAT WE MAY BE MISSING.
I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE TOO, BUT IT, IT'S AN EMPHASIS ON 6, 7, 8, BUT THAT IT ALSO GOVERNS BECAUSE WE MAY GET REQUESTS THAT ARE ANOTHER, UH, RIGHT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WELL, AND, AND SO BECAUSE THE, THE CENTER REASON IN DALLAS COUNTY BATCH PLANS ARE CONCENTRATED EXCLUSIVELY.
AND SO IT, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT POINT MOMENT THEY'LL SAY IT'S SIX, SEVEN, AND EIGHT.
AND YOU KNOW, OUR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE EXCLUSIVELY, PRIMARILY, YOU KNOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, WHAT WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, USE IN, IN, IN THE SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, BUT THEN TALK ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT, WHAT IT CAN DO TO THE ONE'S HEALTH, BUT ALSO, UH, REGARDLESS, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF THE DISTANCE, SHORT OR LONG.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT IT DOES TRAVEL.
SO, UM, BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY, THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT I, I COULD, I COULD SEE, UH, DR.
ASH, I'M INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, SUGGESTIONS OR, UM, TO THE MEMORANDUM, BUT I THINK, I THINK YOU ALL DID IT AT A FINE JOB.
UH, I THINK YOU ARE, YOU ARE ON MUTE.
UM, I AM, SO I'VE HAD TO TURN OFF MY COMPUTERS RIGHT NOW CUZ I'VE BEEN HAVING A LOT OF PHOTOSENSITIVITY, UM, PHOTOPHOBIA, IF YOU CAN TELL I'M IN A DARK ROOM AND SO I'VE HAD TO CLOSE THE COMPUTER.
I WAS, I READ, I HEARD WHAT, UM, RENEE HAD READ.
UM, AND I WAS HOPING TO GO IN, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE A THOUGHT WHAT YOU THINK, BUT MORE DETAILS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SOME OF THE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN, FOR INSTANCE.
UM, LIKE, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THAT FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, STUDIES HAVE SHOWN OR THAT WITHIN SUCH AND SUCH DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, THE TYPE OF LUNG DAMAGE THAT WAS SEEN AND, AND SO BEING VERY SPECIFIC AS OPPOSED TO VAGUE.
AND I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND ADD THAT.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WITH WHERE MY EYES ARE THIS EVENING, I PROBABLY CAN'T DO IT TILL TOMORROW MORNING OR SO.
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS BY THE END OF THE DAY AFTER BEING IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER.
UM, I HAVE A I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, DO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DETAIL IN THE BODY OF THE RECOMMENDATION OR DO WE WANT TO HAVE A SUPPORTING DOCUMENT? I THINK IN THE, I THINK BOTH.
IN THE BODY AND THEN CITED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO READ.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT HOW THEY WANNA READ IT.
THE LONGER IT GETS, THE MORE THEY'RE NOT, I'M JUST THINKING YEAH.
WITH PEOPLE WHO VOTE, UH, LIKE LEGISLATORS.
ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE LEARNED IS ANYTHING MORE THAN ONE PAGE IS A WASTE.
THAT'S SO, SO THAT QUESTION, UM, SO DR.
ASTE WITH ADDING, YOU KNOW, THOSE FEW SICKNESSES, UM, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK ABOUT LIKE OUR TIMELINE TODAY IS THE FIRST MM-HMM.
SO WE NEED TO HAVE A RESPONSE, AN UPGRADED, UH, RECOMMENDATION BY WHEN ERIN, SINCE IF POSSIBLE, I'LL POST THE AGENDA ON JUNE 9TH.
AND, AND GO THERE BY THE PARENT'S OFFICE FOR, IT'S JUST TO MAKE CLEAR.
AND SO, SO ONCE WE GET, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE SENTENCES FROM YOU, DR.
ASTE, WE CAN HAVE THAT, IF WE CAN HAVE THAT BY, IF WE CAN COLLECTIVELY
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AS A BODY, HAVE IT BY, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, MONDAY AT THE ABSOLUTE LATEST.SO THEN WE CAN AS A BODY, UM, VOTE ON IT ONLINE, RIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, AMONGST, UH, AND THEN WE CAN, UM, SEND THAT UP TO, UH, TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, UH, FOR THE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATION.
DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? I THINK SO.
WHAT ABOUT IF THOSE SENTENCES GOT ADDED OVER THE WEEKEND? WE ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE WE SUBMIT OUR DECISION PERSONALLY BY, BY MONDAY? YEAH.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING WE NEED TO DO.
DOES THIS APPLY TO EXISTING AND NEW APPLICANTS QUESTION? UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GO BACK, BUT, UH, WHEN THEIR EXISTING PERMIT RUNS OUT, THEY WOULD ALL BECAUSE OF PHASE ONE, HAVE TO DO THE PC AND SO THEN THESE RULES WOULD APPLY TO ANY, UM, NEW PER WELL PERMIT RENEWALS OR NEW PERMITS.
YOU NEED TO STATE THAT THEIR BODY SOMEWHERE.
SO THIS MEMORANDUM CAN ONLY APPLY TO PEOPLE RENEWING NEW, NEW AND RENEWALS.
UM, THAT QUESTION AND CLARIFICATION.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE HOMEWORK TO DO.
Y'ALL, WE GOT HAND, WE GOT ANOTHER HAND? YES.
WAS THAT A VOTE FOR YOU TOO, DR.
ASPE? WAS IT YOUR HAND UP FOR A VOTE? I DID HAVE A QUESTION.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE HEALTH COMMITTEE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SCIENCE IS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDATIONS ON LIKE HOW IMPLEMENTATION PIECE.
SO MY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT ASSIGNING, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT LAST PART.
MY QUESTION IS WHETHER, YOU KNOW, MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ABOUT WHO THIS APPLIES TO BE IT, YOU KNOW, NEW APPLICANTS OR RENEWALS VERSUS GENERAL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IF WE RESTRICT, MAYBE THEY, THEY WOULD DECIDE, HEY, LET'S, LET'S SCRAPE THIS OUT FROM THE BOTTOM.
SO IS THAT OUT OF OUR, UM, TAKE THAT SPECIFIC OF A RECOMMENDATION? UM, SUE, WHAT DID YOU HEAR DR.
ASH HAY'S QUESTION? LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO IF FOR US TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT APPLIES TO, TO RENEWAL AND NEW PERMITS DOES, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE WE IN ANY SHAPE FORM FASHION OVERSTEPPING OUR ROLE AS A COMMITTEE AND TRYING TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION OF HOW THEY, HOW IT GETS IMPLEMENTED? I THINK, UH, WHAT I WOULD DO IS, IS SUGGEST IT RATHER OR RECOMMEND IT, UM, ULTIMATELY THAT'LL COME OUT OF THE ATTORNEYS THAT DO CODE DEVELOPMENT AND THE FOLKS IN PLANNING AN URBAN DESIGN OKAY.
WHO ARE, ARE ACTUALLY WORKING PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE YOU GUYS ARE, ARE AT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
I I DON'T READ CODES IN MY SPARE TIME.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD CHOICE FOR, UM, CURING INSOMNIA FOR ME,
UM, BUT THOSE FOLKS DO IT DAY IN, DAY OUT AND THEY COULD, THEY COULD PROBABLY SPOUT THE EXACT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD LET US SAY, YEAH, WE CAN, OR NO, WE CAN'T.
I WOULD, I WOULD TYPICALLY, THEY DON'T IMPLEMENT THINGS GOING BACKWARDS.
IT'S LIKE, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD, THIS IS WHAT THE DEAL IS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANNA GRANDFATHER THOSE EXISTING ONES IN EITHER.
UM, AND SO WHEN THEY COME FORWARD FOR A NEW PERMIT, THAT'S WHEN I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE BUFFERS SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND GOSH, I'M SORRY IF YOU'RE TWO FEET FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD, EVEN, I DON'T CARE IF YOU'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1940, YOU'VE BEEN POLLUTING THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAYBE GOING FORWARD YOU FIND ANOTHER LOCATION.
SO NO ONE WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN AND AM I UNDERSTANDING IT? UH, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
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THE, THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT EVEN IS, IF THE MECHANISM IS THAT YOU CAN'T GO BACK, UH, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS OF, UM, THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION OR, UH, US AS A COMMITTEE, WHICH WOULD, UM, CAUSE BATCH PLANT OWNERS TO WANT TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, LIKE PRODUCT LIABILITY LAWSUITS AS AN EXAMPLE.WELL AND SO WE, WE DON'T REALLY WANNA TOUCH THOSE.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS WHAT WE CAN YEAH.
W WE DO HAVE A SUSTAINABLE PURCHASE POLICY THAT TO BE BRUTAL, HONEST, WE HAVE NOT REALLY EFFECTIVELY USED YET.
RIGHT NOW IT'S FOCUSED ON SLAVE AND CHILD LABOR AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.
LIKE IS IT TOXIC? UM, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THERE'S, THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE COULDN'T.
AND, AND AS WE MOVE TOWARDS LIKE NET ZERO CARBON, WELL, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS, DOES THIS MATERIAL EMIT BAD, BAD POLLUTION, PHYSICAL AIR, WHATEVER.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY EXPLORED THAT.
SO MOVING FORWARD AND WHAT WE NEED TO ADD TO THE MEMORANDUM ARE THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT THOSE PARTICULAR MATTERS CAUSE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, UH, WE'RE GONNA SU AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS SUCH A STRONG WORD WE'RE GOING TO USE, WE'RE GONNA SUGGEST.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE'RE GONNA DO IS THE GEO GEOGRAPHICAL AREA THAT I HAVE THAT HAS TO CHANGE.
AND IF WE INTERJECT THOSE BASIC THREE THINGS, EVERYBODY WILL TAKE A, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND OVER THE WEEKEND AND GET IT PUSHED IN.
IS IS EVERYONE IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT? YES.
ASH? UM, CAN IT BE ON A GOOGLE DOC AND AN ACTIVE GOOGLE DOC THAT WE CAN EDIT IN REAL TIME DOING? YEAH.
I COULDN'T SEE IT BEING ANY OTHER WAY CUZ IN AN EMAIL YOU CAN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH IT.
IT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING YOU CAN EDIT AND PASS BACK AND FORTH.
OH, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT VERSION CONTROL TOO.
IF WE HAVE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AND THAT'S OUR PLAN, WE NEED TO GET REST AND GET STARTED ON IT.
UH, EVERYBODY SAY AYE TO THAT.
I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MADE A MOTION ACTUALLY, BUT UM, NOW THAT I KNOW EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT, THAT MOTION, IF I HAVE MADE IT WOULD'VE PASSED.
AND THE MOTION FOR THE MINUTES IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THOSE REVISIONS TO, UH, THE DOCUMENT AND GET THE DOCUMENT BACK TO ERIN BY MONDAY SO THAT SHE CAN GET IT, UH, LOOK THERE, DOCTOR SAY RETURN AND THEN GET IT PUT ON, UH, THE AGENDA WITH CITY COUNCILS.
WELL THAT'S BETTER BUT NO, WE WANNA DO IT MONDAY.
WE WANNA GIVE IT TO YOU BY MONDAY.
I DON'T WANNA FOCUS ON THE SIXTH.
WE WANT, BECAUSE I HAVE TO MOVE ON ON ANOTHER COMMITTEE TOO, SO, AND I THINK, AND I THINK AFTER WE DO THAT WE DON'T MOVE TO DRAG IT OUT.
SO IF EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEANCE WITH THAT, WE CAN CLOSE OUR MEETING.
SO WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO ADUR.
ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? DR.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE TWO, WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN AND WE HAVE A SECOND MOTION TO ADJOURN.
SO, UH, IN VIEW OF EVERYBODY'S TIME, I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE MEETING OUT.
THANK YOU ALL FOR, UH, ATTENDING AND PLEASE, UH, LET'S TRY TO GET OUR HOMEWORK DONE BY MONDAY.
AND, AND SO, SO SUE, WE'LL DO THAT FOR DR.
WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE FOCUSED ON FOR US IS THE RECOMMENDATION.
WE GOT, I'D LIKE TO DO LIST TO GET THE SO,
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AND THAT THAT'LL BE SEPARATE FROM THE, FROM THE RECOMMENDATION.