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THANK YOU.[Landmark Commission Meeting on June 5, 2023.]
TO THE PUBLIC MEETING OF THE DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION ON JUNE 5TH, 2023.IT IS ONE 10 AND WE HAVE A QUORUM OF COMMISSIONERS HERE AND ONLINE.
AND I'M EVELYN MONTGOMERY, THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION.
AND TO MY LEFT IS COURTNEY SPY, OUR VICE CHAIR, AND WE HAVE ASSORTED FABULOUS COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE THEIR ROLE SO WE CAN SEE WHO THEY ARE.
DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
COMMISSIONER ETT, I NEED YOU TO SPEAK.
OH, SO YOU'LL BE ON THE RECORD PLEASE.
COMMISSIONER, SPY DISTRICT NINE.
COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
UH, SO, UM, C P C LIAISON, UH, HAMPTON.
AND THEN I NEED TO HEAR FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER ETT.
SORRY, I COULDN'T GET IT UNMUTED.
IT APPEARS WE HAVE TOO MANY COMMISSIONERS.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 16 COMMISSIONERS PRESENT.
WE ARE TO ONLY HAVE 15 COMMISSIONERS.
YOU KNOW, IT IS NOTHING PERSONAL.
EVERYONE SHOULD MAKE ME FEEL BAD EVERY DAY SO THAT I DO NOT GET A BIG HEAD.
AND SO I'M AFRAID THAT MR. CUMMINGS IS GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE US SO THAT WE WILL HAVE A TOTAL OF 15 COMMISSIONERS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TO DO OUR, OUR RUN THROUGH.
WE'RE, WE'VE DONE OUR CALL TO ORDER, AND, UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MINUTES? I HAVE TO ASK THAT IF ANY OF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO DO THAT.
AND THEN I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT FROM ADRIAN WHO RUNS OUR TECHNOLOGY, INCLUDING THE CALLING IN.
THERE ARE TWO ATTENDEES LOGGED IN AS CALL IN USERS AND A PERSON WHO'S LISTED AS STAFF.
YOU ARE ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO MOVE TO PANELISTS AND SPEAK TO US IF YOUR NAME IS VISIBLE AND MATCHES WITH A NAME ON THE REGISTERED SPEAKER LIST.
ALSO, YOU'LL BE REQUIRED TO SHOW YOUR FACE AS REQUIRED BY THE STATE LAWS FOR A PUBLIC MEETING.
WE HAVE TO SEE YOU TO MAKE SURE IT'S REALLY YOU NOT AN IMPOSTER.
SO IF YOU HAVE HAD TROUBLE LOGGING IN PROPERLY, PERHAPS LOG OFF AND TRY AGAIN.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, CONTACT, UM, YOU, YOU HAVE ELAINE MS. HILL'S EMAIL PROBABLY IF YOU SIGNED UP AND SHE WILL GET ANDREA ADRIAN TO WORK WITH YOU.
WE ARE READY TO, OH, LET'S START WITH THE APPROVAL A MINUTE SO I DON'T FORGET IT LATER.
ALL THOSE WHO, UH, ALL THOSE COMMISSIONERS IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING AS THEY WERE SUBMITTED TO US BY ELAINE OR SOMEONE NEEDS TO MOVE FOR US TO DO THAT.
OUR SECOND WAS COMMISSIONER SWAN.
MUTE IT MIN ARE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER FELLI.
FIRST I WANT TO, UM, CONFIRM THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE IN PERSON.
I HAVE DAVID PRESI, CALVIN LAMONT, BRAYLAN LESTER, AND MIKE BRAK.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHOSE NAME IS NOT CALLED
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CORRECT? UM, ALRIGHT.FIRST I WANT TO, UH, MOVE DISCUSSION ITEM ONE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGE TO MOVE, I'M SORRY.
UM, MS. MANKOWSKI WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR D ONE.
SO IF SHE COULD READ IT INTO THE RECORD, THE REVISED RECOMMENDATION FOR REQUEST NUMBER ONE.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF, UH, STAFF LOOKING AT THE LONG AGENDA.
FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, UH, I'D LIKE TO AMEND STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO READ THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO PLANT AN EIGHT TO 10 FOOT LITTLE TALL LITTLE GEM MAGNOLIA TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT YARD, 15 FEET BACK FROM THE SIDEWALK AND 15 FEET FROM WEST SIDE PROPERTY LINE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 65 2023.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 3.5 MEETS A STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1 G SIX C I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
DO I NEED TO READ ALL THE OTHER ONES? THE REST REMAIN THE SAME.
SO FIRST I WANT TO, UM, I MOVE TO, UM, PLACE DISCUSSION ITEM ONE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? IS THERE STILL A DESIRE TO MOVE, UH, CONSENT ITEM SEVEN TO DISCUSSION OR WAS THAT ADDRESSED? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, I THINK, UM, CHRISTINA HAS RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT, UM, SHE MIGHT NEED TO TELL US ABOUT.
WE DID RECEIVE PICTURES THAT, UM, DO SPECIFY THE, THE WIDTH, UH, FROM THE STEP TO THE, TO THE COLUMN UNDERNEATH THE CARPORT.
SO THE EIGHT FOOT WIDE CORD DRIVER WILL FIT INSIDE THE CARPORT AND NOT RUN INTO THE HOUSE.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS RECOMMENDATION STANDS AS APPROVED.
AND THERE ARE, THE COMMISSIONER HAS NO MORE CONCERNS NOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN ANSWERED.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE LEAVE THAT ON CONTROL.
UH, CAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THAT WAS D UH, SEVEN BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT I HAD HEARD IT WAS D 4 2 0 1 NORTH EDGEFIELD AND THAT'S CONSENT ITEM 7 3 18 NORTH CLINTON AVENUE.
I MOVED TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10 AND DISCUSSION ITEM ONE SECOND.
ALL OF THE CONSENT ITEMS HAVE BEEN DETERMINED IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE THORNE OR DISCUSSION ITEMS. CONSENT ITEMS ONE THROUGH 10 AND DISCUSSION ITEM ONE.
I'D LIKE TO, UH, REARRANGE THE AGENDA AS FOLLOWS.
I MOVE THAT WE TAKE IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER, DISCUSSION ITEM 10, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM TWO AND THEN D SEVEN FOLLOWED BY D EIGHT, D FOUR D 3, 5, 6 9.
SO THAT'S TEN TWO SEVEN EIGHT FOUR THREE FIVE, SIX NINE.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THIS REARRANGEMENT? SECOND.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
THIS IS CARRIE UNANIMOUSLY AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND HEAR THEM IN THAT ORDER.
UM, STARTING WITH D 10, WHICH IS A REQUEST TO INITIATE A NEW LANDMARK, ALWAYS A PLEASANT THING FOR US TO WORK WITH IF THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO INFORM US.
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BEHALF OF STAFF DISCUSSION ITEM D 10.THE PROPERTY IS CITED AT 41 0 7 TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD.
OUR REQUEST IS THAT A LANDMARK COMMISSION AUTHORIZED HEARING TO CONSIDER A HISTORIC OVERLAY FOR THE BURGER RESIDENCE ON THE WEST SIDE OF TUR TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF WHITECLIFF AVENUE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED SUBJECT TO PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
DUNN AND OUR SPEAKER, MR. DAVID PRESI.
PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THEN YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
DAVID PRESI, UH, 2229 LAWNDALE DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,211.
OH, AND I FORGOT I NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH? I DO.
I'M DAVID PRESI AND I'M HERE TODAY, UH, TO SUPPORT AND REPRESENT BEVERLY RAY, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR 41 0 7, UH, TURTLE CREEK IN RECOMMENDING CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK STATUS FOR THIS VERY IMPORTANT HOUSE.
I ALSO SERVE ON THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION COMMITTEE AND HAVE REVIEWED THE DESIGNATION REPORT AND WORKED WITH THE, UH, THE COMMITTEE ON THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA AS WELL.
SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE.
SO BEVERLY HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY SINCE 2018 AND HAS REQUESTED THIS INITIATION.
UH, SHE WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING TODAY.
HOWEVER, SHE IS FULLY IN FAVOR OF LANDMARKING THE PROPERTY AND WISHED ME TO RELAY THAT TO, UH, TO THE COMMISSION.
UH, WE ALSO, IF YOU REMEMBER, DESIGNATED, UH, CITY DESIGNATED HER HOUSE ON STRAIGHT LANE LAST YEAR AS A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK.
UM, SO AS Y'ALL HAVE IN YOUR FILES THERE, UH, NANCY MCCOY HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PREPARING THE DESIGNATION REPORT, UH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, HOUSE.
AND SO I JUST WANTED TO COVER A FEW OF THE HIGHLIGHTS, UH, FROM THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE FOR THE RECORD.
UH, SO THIS ELEGANT HOUSE WAS BUILT FOR A BM UH, BURGER AND HIS WIFE, UH, JESSE IN CIRCA 1925.
THE ITALIAN EIGHT STYLE HOUSE FEATURES A FACADE WITH AN ELABORATE FRONT ENTRANCE DEFINED BY CASTSTONE SURROUND AND PANELED WOOD DOOR.
IT ALSO IS A LIGHT ROSE COLORED STUCCO, WHICH ACCENTUATES THE RED CLAY TILE ROOF AND SIMPLE FRENCH DOORS WITH LURED WOOD SHUTTERS, WHICH OPENED TO THE FRONT TERRACE AND SIMPLE WOOD CASEMENT WINDOWS WITH PANEL SHUTTERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNED BY FLINT AND BROAD ARCHITECTS WHO DESIGNED MANY IMPORTANT BUILDINGS IN DALLAS, INCLUDING THE FAIR PARK AQUARIUM, 1936 BUCKNER DORMITORY DORMITORY, 1938, THE NANT ADMINISTRATION BUILDING AT LOVEFIELD CIRCA 1939 AND THE MASONIC TEMPLE ON HARDWOOD STREET IN 1941.
AMONG OTHERS, UH, BALLARD MCDOUGAL KNOWN AS BM AND JESSE BERGER MOVED TO DALLAS IN 1890 AND BOTH BECAME ACTIVE IN THE DALLAS COMMUNITY.
BM WAS INVOLVED IN REAL ESTATE IN INSURANCE BUSINESSES, AND DURING THE WILSON ADMINISTRATION SERVED AS THE POSTMASTER FOR DALLAS.
UH, HE PASSED AWAY WHILE VISITING GALVESTON WITH HIS WIFE IN 1925.
SO HE NEVER ACTUALLY GOT TO MOVE INTO THE NEW HOUSE, BUT HIS WIDOW DID.
JESSE DID WITH OUR SIX CHILDREN AND MADE, UH, 41 0 7 TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD, A GRACIOUS SETTING FOR HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
THE HOUSE IS CITED ON MORE THAN AN ACRE OF LAND, WAS SLOPING TOPOGRAPHY TOWARDS THE STREET AND IS GRACED WITH MANY MATURE TREES GIVING THE SITE A VERY WOODSY FIELD.
IN FACT, A DALLAS NEWSPAPER REFERRED TO THE OUTDOOR SPACE AS ITALIAN GARDEN WHEN THE BURGER'S DAUGHTER HELD THEIR WEDDING THERE.
JESSE BERGER REMAINED IN THE TURTLE CREEK HOME UNTIL HER DEATH IN 1941.
AT THE TIMER, SON, ROBERT AND HIS WIFE CAROLYN, MADE 41 0 7 TURTLE CREEK THEIR HOME.
ROBERT WAS A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN AND AN EARLY IN HIS CAREER SERVED AS A DIPLOMAT.
AND IN PANAMA, JAPAN, ECUADOR, AND COSTA RICA.
UH, ROBERT BERGER PASSED AWAY IN 1957.
THE PREVIOUS OWNERS ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN 2010 AND ADDED TO THE KITCHEN IN THE MIRROR AND RESTORED MANY FEATURES INCLUDING THE LEADED WINDOWS.
SO ANYWAY, YES, WE'RE IN FAVOR OF DESIGNATING THIS HOUSE OF CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK.
AND PLEASE THANK THE OWNER WHO IS A VERY GRACIOUS LADY AND REALLY DEDICATED TO HELPING PRESERVE SOME OF DALLAS'S PAST BY PRESERVING HER OWN PROPERTY.
AND NOT EVERYBODY WILL DO THAT.
SO, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, SOMEONE PLEASED TO MAKE A MOTION.
I CAN'T HAVE YOU VOTE IF WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION, PLEASE.
THE APPOINTEE FROM THIS DISTRICT.
COMMISSIONER, IT'S YOUR DISTRICT.
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TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE.OKAY, I, UM, ON THE CASE OF 41 0 7 TRAIL CREEK BOULEVARD, THE BERG RESIDENCE, I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, START THE DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR YOU CAN STATE THAT YOU'VE MOVED TO APPROVE, UM, FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
OKAY? AND I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDED SECOND.
WE'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, BUT WE ALL SECONDED
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE ARE HAPPY TO SEE ANOTHER PROPERTY MOVING THROUGH THE LANDMARKING PROCESS.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA GO ON TO D TWO.
OKAY, CHRISTINA, AND NOTE THAT COMMISSIONER TRANSWELL LIVINGSTON HAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND IF SO, HE IS LEAVING CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 2 6 12 EAST FIFTH STREET, LAKE CLIFF, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 3 8 4 CM.
THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTI-FAMILY PLAN DEVELOPMENT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, SORRY, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTI-FAMILY PLAN DEVELOPMENT BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501
ARE WE CURRENTLY READING TASK FORCE? YES.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MULTI-FAMILY PLAN DEVELOPMENT BE DENIED TASK FORCE REVIEWED APPLICATION WITHOUT APPLICANT PRESENT FOUR PLANS, ELEVATIONS, AND SECTIONS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDED RE REVISITING SITE PLAN ELEVATIONS TO SPECIFIC HISTORIC STYLE AND KEEPING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDS PROVIDING COMPLETED APPLICATION CHECKLIST.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS RAYLAND LESTER, ARE YOU MR. LESTER? OKAY.
PLEASE COME TO THE MICROPHONE, MAKE SURE IT'S POINTED.
WELL, YOU'RE THE SAME HEIGHT AS MR. PRESI
THAT'S PROBABLY IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
SO, SO BEGIN, PLEASE, SIR, BY GIVING ME YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
UH, BRAYLIN LESTER, 35 40 EAST BROAD STREET, MANSFIELD, TEXAS 76,063.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO.
ALL RIGHT, SIR, YOU HAVE, UM, THREE MINUTES TO, TO FURTHER PRESENT TO OR EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO US, AND THEN WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
UH, I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, DR.
HAROLD CHILDS, UH, LOCAL RESIDENT HERE OF DALLAS, TEXAS.
UH, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN SOMETHING, UH, IN A WORKSHOP ABOUT 10 YEARS NOW SINCE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING CAUGHT FIRE.
UH, THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION, UH, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY MODERN, UH, COMPARISON TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT, UH, WE ALL WILLING TO MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS, CHANGES, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.
UH, AS FAR AS, UH, IN ORDER TO GET THIS PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, UM, UH, WE APPRECIATING THIS, UH, CHRISTINA FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK DIRECTLY WITH HER TO KIND OF GET A LOT OF THE PAPERWORK MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UH, AS FAR AS THE THE PLANS GO, WE HAVE OUR ARCHITECT ON STANDBY TO MAKE ANY CHANGES, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE MADE.
UH, THIS WAS THE INITIAL DESIGN CREATED AND DEVELOPED BY THE OWNER, AND WE DEFINITELY LOOK FORWARD TO ANY OPPORTUNITIES, QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS THAT MAY NEED TO BE MADE TO GET THIS PUSHED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LISTEN TO OUR BRIEFING EARLIER WHEN WE DISCUSSED WITH STAFF SOME OF OUR YES, I WAS ON ONE QUESTIONS.
SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE MAY ASK YOU NOW,
COMMISSIONERS, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN? COMMISSIONER RENO.
UM, REGARDING THE, UH, THE ELEVATIONS AND JUST THE, THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE ARCHITECTURE, I KNEW, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S MODERN, BUT I WAS WONDERING, UH, THIS IS REALLY A TWO PART QUESTION.
ONE, UH, DID YOU LOOK AT ANY, UM, UH, SORT OF SIGNIFICANT, UH, UH, CHARACTER OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'RE BUILDING IN? SURE.
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IS REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING.I KNOW, UM, YOUR TOP ELEVATION IS, IS 42 FEET, AND GENERALLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM YOUR NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS, IT'S, THEY'RE MOSTLY TWO STORY.
I, WE COULD PROBABLY VERIFY WHAT THOSE HEIGHTS ARE ONCE YOU ADD THE, THE ROOF HEIGHT TO IT.
UM, BUT, UH, I WOULD SUSPECT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GENERALLY ABOUT A STORY, UH, MAYBE A STORY AND A HALF TOO TALL.
UM, COULD YOU ADDRESS THOSE TWO ISSUES? YES, SIR, I CAN.
ON THE, I GUESS IF YOU LOOK AT THE LEFT AND RIGHT ELEVATION, THE TOP FLOOR PLATE IS ABOUT 34.
UH, THAT FOURTH STORY IS MORE OF A WALKOUT BALCONY FROM THE TOP, UH, WHICH IS MORE OF A, I GUESS AN AESTHETIC THING, LOOKING AT THE VIEW FROM THE ENTIRE CITY STANDPOINT.
BUT THE 34 FEET IS THE ACTUAL BASE HEIGHT OF THE ROOF ON THAT ELEVATION.
AND I BELIEVE THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD OR SURROUNDING AREAS MOSTLY ARE TWO, TWO STORY, BUT ABOUT 30 FEET.
SO I THINK WE'RE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN THE OTHER ELEVATIONS AS WELL.
YEAH, I I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER SORT OF DISTINGUISHING, UM, DIFFERENCES HOWEVER, IS, IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, THE PLATE HEIGHT ON THAT TOP FLOOR, CUZ GENERALLY ON THE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ON A TWO STORY BUILDING, YOUR PLATE HEIGHT'S GONNA BE AT THE TOP OF THE SECOND FLOOR AND YOU COULD POTENTIALLY GET A A HALF STORY UP IN THAT UP IN THE ATTIC SPACE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVELY YOU ARE, UM, MATCHING BETTER WITH THE, UH, WITH THE OVERALL HEIGHT.
UM, WOULD, THAT MIGHT BE A, A CONSIDERATION THAT YOU COULD, UH, LOOK AT, IS THAT, YOU MEAN BY REDUCING THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING? CORRECT.
SO FOR THE THIRD STORY, IT'S, IT'S A FULL STORY MM-HMM.
SO YOUR, YOUR PLATE HEIGHT IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, FULL STORY ABOVE, UH, UH, AROUND SURRENDERING COMPARED TO, UH, EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO, TO HELP MITIGATE THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT.
SO COULD I ASK, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THAT AREA? IS THERE SOMETHING LISTED THAT YOU GIVE THAT INFORMATION OUT? I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE ZONING.
I WAS TRYING TO LOOK THAT UP AT THE BREAK, BUT I DIDN'T, UM, COME ACROSS IT YET.
BUT, UM, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRIS SURPRISED THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHIME IN.
UM, WE SUGGEST YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
BECAUSE THEY SPEAK, UH, TO MATERIAL HEIGHT AND PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING ON THE SITE.
UM, SO STAFF CAN GET WITH YOU AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A COPY OF THOSE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN.
UM, IF THERE ISN'T ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP ANYTHING ELSE OR QUESTION OUR SPEAKER? I CANNOT SEE YOU AGAIN, SO YOU HAVE TO, IF YOU'RE HOME, JUST SAY SOMETHING.
I GUESS WE'RE ALL LEAVING IT TO YOU, MR. RENO
IN THE CASE OF, UM, CA 2 23 DASH 3 84, UH, INITIAL CM, UH, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS SIX 12 EAST FIFTH STREET, THAT WE, UM, UH, FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN DENYING WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SECOND, I THINK WE HAD OUR FIRST SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER SHERMAN FOR MIKE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ON, BUT I COULD HEAR IT.
UM, ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WE WOULD LIKE TO ENGAGE IN BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS? AND YOU COULD OF COURSE MENTION ANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD CONSIDER BEFORE RETURNING IF THEY FAIL TO GET THEIR APPROVAL TODAY.
SO, COMMISSIONER SWAN? YES, I I WOULD JUST LIKE TO NOTE THAT, UH, THERE'S WAY MORE TO COMPATIBILITY THAN HEIGHT, MASSING AND SETBACK AND IN, WE HAVE BEEN VERY, UH, UH, STRICT REALLY, UH, IN THE PAST IN EVALUATING APPLICATIONS FOR THIS DISTRICT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT MATERIALS AND SOLID AVOID RATIOS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND I DON'T SEE WHERE ANY OF THOSE ARE ADDRESSED IN THIS PROPOSAL AS IT NOW STANDS.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE LIKE, UH, MATERIALS ADDRESSED, UH, SOLID DEVOID RATIOS, UH, AND OTHER CHARACTER DEFINING DISTRICTS, UH, CHARACTER DIVIDED CHARACTERISTICS OF THE DISTRICT THAT MIGHT BE SOMEHOW REFLECTED IN THIS BUILDING.
SO WE CAN TALK, REALLY TALK ABOUT COMPATIBILITY, CUZ RIGHT NOW IT SEEMS TO BE A DESIGN FLOOR ANYWHERE WITH NO DIRECT REFERENCE TO THE DISTRICT.
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THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER GOING TO COME UP WITH TO FINISH THIS DESIGN IN A WAY THAT, THAT PLEASES THE NEIGHBORS AND MEETS THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WE ARE HERE TO ENFORCE.IF, IF THERE WOULD BE SOME MORE STUDY OF WHAT'S AROUND IN DETAIL, REALLY LOOKING AT, AT WHAT'S IN THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND OF THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE, UM, THE MATERIALS AND THE THE SIZE OF THIS, IT, IT'S GOING TO BE TALLER THAN EVERYTHING AROUND IT, BUT THAT'S NOT IT, IT'S ALSO JUST, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO ADJUST THAT, AND OF COURSE YOU CAN ALWAYS CONSULT WITH STAFF AS TO WHAT THEIR BEST GUESS IS, THE KIND OF CONCERNS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT AND WHAT POTENTIAL WAYS TO MEET THOSE.
NOT THAT THEY GIVE YOU DESIGN ADVICE, BUT THEY CAN, THEY CAN TELL YOU WHEN SOMETHING IS JUST NOT QUITE ON THE MONEY FOR US.
UM, AND PERHAPS SAVE TIME IN, IN WORKING THROUGH THIS.
WE'RE HAPPY THAT SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW ON THIS LOT.
IT JUST, IT DOES NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION CAN MAKE OR BREAK A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO WE, WE MUST CONSIDER THAT ANY FURTHER DISPATCHING.
MARTHA, I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOTE ON THIS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION? AYE.
ANY OPPOSED, ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? OKAY.
IT, IT APPEARS TO OCCUR UNANIMITY, WE HAVE AN ODD FEEDBACK IN THE ROOM SOMETIMES, SO WE THINK SOMEONE'S TALKING WHEN IT WAS JUST THE LAST WORD I SAID, COME BACK AT ME.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL ACTING SO STRANGELY.
AND WE HOPE TO SEE YOU BACK AFTER FURTHER RESEARCH AND CONSULTATION WITH STAFF.
AND, AND SOMEONE PLEASE, UH, ASK CROSWELL LIVINGSTON, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON TO REENTER THE ROOM.
NOW THE NEXT ONE UP ARE D SEVEN AND EIGHT AND I AM GOING TO BE RECUSED FROM THOSE.
SO I, I WILL BE LEAVING NOW AS MR. LIVINGSTON RETURNS
UH, WE NEED A VOLUNTEER FOR SOMEBODY TO READ THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
I BELIEVE YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIST THE REASONS.
SO NOW WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM SEVEN.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 47 0 2 SWISS AVENUE AND THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 DASH FOUR INITIALS AURA D.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW TWO-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A GARAGE IN REAR YARD.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW TWO-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A GARAGE AND REAR YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 4 20 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT EXTERIOR BOARD AND BATTEN SIDING BE ALL WOOD AND THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD FRAMED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION 4.1, 4.2 AND 4.3 PERTAINING TO NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS.
THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE DOMESTIC LEAN TWO-STORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE OF THE GARAGE IN REAR YARD BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE MUL IN THE WOOD WINDOWS ARE SOLID WOOD AND NOT GLAD WITH SYNTHETIC OR METAL MATERIAL.
ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP, MR. GRABLE.
MR. GRAYFIELD GOING AHEAD STATE YOUR ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT THIS PROPERTY 47 0 2 SMITH AVENUE.
AND DO YOU COMMIT TO TELLING THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO.
UH, I THINK THE ONLY THING I WILL USE MY TIME TO DO AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IS TO ADDRESS ONE THAT WAS GIVEN TO STAFF THIS MORNING THAT RHONDA DIDN'T EXACTLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO.
AND THAT IS AROUND A FURTHER CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO FINISH THE FENCING, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD ADDRESS THE GARAGE FIRST AND THEN COME BACK WITH A FENCING AND REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A
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STRUCTURE IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOCATION AS WAS MENTIONED WITH THE ENCROACHMENTS BEING ELIMINATED.SO ADDRESS THAT ONE UPFRONT AND THEN I'VE GOT A DECK THAT I CAN REFER TO IN ANSWERING QUESTIONS, BUT HAPPY TO ADDRESS WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER OFIT? UM, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION.
THE, UM, DURING THAT NICE BREAK WE GOT TODAY, I TOOK A WALK DOWN THE ALLEY BETWEEN BRIAN PARKWAY AND SWISS AND THE GARAGES, UH, PARTICULARLY ON BRYAN PARKWAY THAT WERE THERE, UM, EITHER HAD NO WINDOWS OR HAD THE WINDOWS, UH, ON THAT GROUND LEVEL LITERALLY BOARDED UP AND OR FROM THE INSIDE OR THE OUTSIDE.
SO HAVING THE WINDOW ON THE BOTTOM OF THIS DOES NOT BOTHER ME.
COMMISSIONER
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
DISCUSSION ITEM SEVEN, THEN, UH, PASSES.
WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT.
AND MAY I THANK THE APPLICANT FOR THOSE HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPHS? THANK YOU FOR BRINGING, FOR OBTAINING THOSE AND DOING THE RESEARCH NECESSARY TO PROVE UP WHAT WAS THERE.
UH, IT'S VERY LUCKY THAT WE LIVE NEXT TO JIM ANDERSON.
HE WAS FRIENDS WITH MRS. IPE FOR, AND THEN HE BEFRIENDED THE LADY NEXT DOOR.
OKAY, DISCUSSION ITEM D EIGHT.
RHONDA DUNN, AGAIN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 47 0 2 SWISS AVENUE IN THE PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CD 2 23 DASH 0 9 9 INITIALS R F D.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE A GARAGE.
THE STANDARD IS DEMOLITION OF NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE BECAUSE NEWER THAN PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 4 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION H FOUR D TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF DEMOLITION TO DEMOLISH ACCESSORY BUILDING, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, A GARAGE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
MR. BRAVEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR JUST HAVE A QUESTION ITEM SEVEN THAT YOU ALREADY APPROVED CAN'T HAPPEN IF ITEM EIGHT ISN'T APPROVED.
COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.
THIS COMMISSIONER OSA? NO, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HERE.
OKAY, IN THE MATTER OF 47 0 2 SWISS AVENUE CA 2 23 0 0 9 RD, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF AN ACCESSORY NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, A GARAGE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATION STATED 5 4 20 23 AND THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER, GUEST.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
I'M SORRY, ARE WE NOT DOING DISCUSSION AFTER THE MAKING OF A MOTION? WE DIDN'T DO IT ON THE LAST ONE AND THE ORDER OF THINGS IS THAT WE HAVE THE QUESTION PERIOD.
WE HAVE THE MOTION AND THEN WE HAVE DISCUSSION.
AND IN BOTH TIMES THE VOTE HAS BEEN CALLED FOR WITHOUT, UH, AN INVITATION TO DISCUSSION IT.
YOU'RE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, RESPOND.
SO THAT WOULD BE THE TIME FOR DISCUSSION.
PLEASE GO AHEAD AND ALL WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS THAT WE SIMPLY REVIEW THE THREE POINT, UH, STANDARD FOR,
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UH, UNDER WHICH THIS IS BEING DEMOLISHED JUST SO WE CAN BE REMINDED OF IT.UM, I MEAN, I, IT LOOKS TO BE A DEMOLITION THAT WE WILL APPROVE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE REMINDED BY STAFF, PLEASE OF THE THREE THINGS THAT MUST BE SATISFIED BECAUSE, UH, AND, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT IN ANY DEMO DEMOLITION BECAUSE ONCE A BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED, WE'VE LOST A RESOURCE.
SO IF WE MIGHT JUST BE REMINDED OF THE, UH, THREE POINTS.
I'LL REFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THE LANDMARK COMMISSION MUST SIGN APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH OR REMOVE A STRUCTURE THAT IS NON-CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT BECAUSE IT IS NEWER THAN THE PERIOD OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE UNLESS IT FINDS THAT ONE, THE STRUCTURE IS NON-CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT TWO, THE STRUCTURE IS NEWER THAN THE PERIOD OF HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND THREE, DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY OR THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND I WOULD WOULD SAY THAT DISCUSSION? YEAH, I I WOULD JUST ADD THAT, UM, I GUESS WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT IT'S NON-CONTRIBUTING, SO THE ONLY ONE THAT MIGHT BE A MATTER DIS POINT THAT MIGHT BE A MATTER DISCUSSION IS WHETHER IT WOULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT OR NOT.
AND IF IT DOES NOT, THEN I, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON TO THE VOTE.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, SWAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR THE DISCUSSION? NO, THAT'S ALL.
NO, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYES.
WHY DON'T WE GO ON AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH THE READING OF, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM FOUR.
CHRISTINA MANKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 4 52 0 3 VICTOR STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 2 3 3 8 6 CM.
THE REQUEST OR AS FOLLOWS, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD MAIN STRUCTURE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD DETACHED GARAGE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCING GATE AND A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD MAIN STRUCTURE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SPECIFICATION STATED 4 14 2 20 23 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THE PROPOSED BRICK COLOR AND COLUMNS AND BRACKETS BE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND THAT THE PROPOSED SETBACK BE REVISED TO THE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT PER PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 57 P DASH 97.1 11 CUN ONE F THREE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RE RECOMMENDA RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501
ITEM TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO BUILD DETACHED GARAGE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 14 20 23 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE EXTERIOR DESIGN AND MATERIALS MATCH THAT OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501
ITEM THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL FENCING GATE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501
AND ITEM FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL LANDSCAPING IN FRONT YARD BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED 4 14 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 AK DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX
TASK FORCE COMMENTED ON THE PROPORTIONS OF THE COLUMNS AND THE PROPORTIONS
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OF THE BRACKETS AND URGED THAT THE ILLUSTRATIONS IN THE UNCODIFIED VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE BE REVIEWED ALONG WITH COLUMNS WITHIN THE DISTRICT SO THEY ARE MORE COMPATIBLE.TASK FORCE COMMENTED ON THE FENCE PLACEMENT RODAR CAR GATE NEAR PORTER SHERIFFS AND WOODEN FENCE AND NOTED THAT THE ORDINANCE PROHIBITED THAT THEY BE ENCLOSED BY GATES OR FENCES ON ANY SIDE AND THAT A FENCE IN THE CORNER SIDE YARD MAY NOT BE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE CORNER SIDE YARD FACADE.
TASK FORCE COMMENTED THAT APPLICANT APPLICANT REVIEW THE FENCE LOCATION ILLUSTRATIONS.
TASK FORCE NOTED THAT THE LEFT SIDE ELEVATION THAT FRONTS MOTOR BOULEVARD HAS A LACK OF ADMINISTRATION THAT IS UNCHARACTERISTIC FOR HOUSES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED DURING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
TASK FORCE COMMENTED ON THE BUILDING PLACEMENT AND NOTED THAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT A MAIN BUILDING ON A CORNER LOT MUST HAVE A FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT IS WITHIN ONE FOOT OF THAT OF THE CLOSEST MAIN BUILDING IN THE SAME BLOCK BASE FACE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
UM, WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE.
ONE ONLINE IS CALVIN LAMONT AND THEN IN PERSON WE HAVE DOUGLAS SIDEL.
DID SHOULD YOU GO FIRST OR MR. LAMONT OR IF HE'S ON, IS MR. LAMONT ONLINE? ADRIAN? HE'S IN PERSON.
OKAY, THEN MR. CDE
HELLO SIR, PLEASE START WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, I LIVE AT 41 21 MCKINNEY AVENUE, NUMBER FOUR, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,204.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TELL US THE TRUTH.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR ANY INITIAL PRESENTATION OR DISCUSSION AND THEN OF COURSE WE ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
HE'S BUILDING A PERSONAL RESI RESIDENCE, UH, AT THIS LOCATION.
UH, BEEN WORKING WITH HIM FOR SOME TIME.
WE HAD A, UH, I THOUGHT, VERY PRODUCTIVE, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THE TASK FORCE WHO HAD SEVERAL ITEMS THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP ALREADY.
AND I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THESE.
ONE OF THOSE, UH, REVISIONS TO THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED AT THAT TIME WERE PRESENTED TO MR. LAMONT, WHO I WAS HOPING WOULD D THOSE SOMEHOW SUBMITTED AND, UH, LOOK TO SEE IF THEY WERE MORE IN, IN LINE WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE, UH, TASK FORCE.
UH, HE, HE WAS, UH, LOOKING AT CHANGING THE BRICK TO A DIFFERENT, UH, DIFFERENT FINISH AND UH, I THINK HE HAD A SAMPLE OF THAT.
AGAIN, THIS STUFF IS ALL SUBSEQUENT TO THE, THE MEETING WITH THE DISCUSSION WITH THE TASK FORCE.
SO, UM, I CAN ONLY GUESS WHETHER THE
THE COLUMNS WERE JUST SCRAPED, UH, 24 INCH BY 24 INCH BRICK COLUMNS, WHICH HAVE BEEN MODIFIED.
NOW THEY HAVE A, A WAYNE'S COAT BRICK, AND THEN THEY SET BACK WITH A REDUCED SIZE, UH, BRICK AND A, UH, TRIM BAND AROUND THOSE, WHICH, UH, WE BELIEVE IS MORE IN, IN KEEPING AND IN COMPARISON WITH THE, UH, UH, UNCODIFIED DETAILS AND SO FORTH.
UH, BRACKETS, UH, I'M NOT REALLY EXACTLY SURE.
I HAD PRESENTED SOME INFORMATION TO CALVIN AND, UH, HEATHER.
HE RUN ALONG WITH THAT IN THE, OR NOT, I'M NOT SURE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY INFORMATION REGARDING BRACKETS OVER THE DETAIL I GAVE, WHICH EVIDENTLY HAS NOT COME UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THE FENCE, UH, INITIALLY THE FENCE WAS COMING UP TO THE END OF THE PORTICO SHERIFF, WHICH WAS THE FRONT OF THE SIDE YARD OF THE HOUSE.
HE MODIFIED THE SITE PLAN, THE DRIVE AND THE FENCE TO PULL THE FRONT OF THE FENCE BACK TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT WAS NO LONGER, UH, IN FRONT OF THE, THE HOUSE FACADE.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM WAS WINDOWS AND WE DID ADD WINDOWS TO THE THIRD IN PERSON OR SECOND.
WE ADDED THREE WINDOWS, TWO TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND ONE TO THE FIRST FLOOR ON THE, UM, UH, SIDE YARD FACADE.
UM, AS THE PLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING WAS DRAWN AT THE 25 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE ZONING REQUIREMENT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF WHAT THE ADJACENT YARD ADJACENT LOTS RESIDENCE FRONT DIMENSION IS, SO I CAN'T FURTHER
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THAT ALL OF THEM.ALRIGHT, LET US ASK THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE TO ASK THIS APPLICANT.
UM, ONE, THERE IS A SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IN, IN YOUR SET, UM, THAT SHOWED THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S, UM, SETBACK AS 29 FEET, 11 INCHES.
SO THAT'S A DIFFERENCE OF, UH, ALMOST FIVE FEET.
I KNOW IT WAS A, UM, IT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE TASK FORCE THAT IT BE WITHIN ONE, BUT IN FACT, THAT'S LIKELY WHAT THE ORDINANCE READS.
BUT, UM, DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOME, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THE ORDINANCE SAY? IT HAS TO BE WITHIN, UH, ONE FOOT.
WHAT THEY NOTED IN THE TASK, I WAS THERE, WE ALL LOOKED IT UP AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IT HAS TO BE WITHIN ONE FOOT OF THE, UH, NEIGHBORING ON THE SAME BLOCK BASED, UH, ONE FOOT OF THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE OR, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE ONE FOOT.
MAY I ASK A CLARIFICATION THOUGH? SO THAT IS TO THE FRONT FACE OF THE PORCH, BUT NOT OF THE MAIN HOUSE.
SO, UM, DOES THE ORDINANCE SPECIFY ONE OR THE OTHER? WOULD WE DISCUSS THAT? I CAN'T, I'LL LOOK THAT UP.
AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE OTHER ELEMENT THAT WE SAW IN THIS SUBMISSION TO, UM, AND IT WASN'T CALLED OUT AS ONE OF THE, UM, CONDITIONS.
HOWEVER, WE NOTICED THAT THE FRAME COLOR OF THE WINDOWS WAS BLACK.
AND, YOU KNOW, THINKING THAT AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, AT THE WINDOW WITH THE CURTAINS OPEN, FOR INSTANCE, OR THE, UM, THAT THE GLASS WILL LIKELY READ BLACK AS WELL AND HAVE A FEELING THAT THERE WON'T BE THE CONTRAST.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU, YOU SPENT THE MONEY ON, ON, YOU KNOW, NICE WINDOWS, BUT NOW THE COLOR WILL GO AWAY, SO IT'LL IT'LL JUST LOOK LIKE A, YOU KNOW, ONE CONTIGUOUS SOAP OR ONE PLANE OPENING.
UM, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU'RE OPEN TO CHANGING THE, THE COLOR OF, UH, I WAS, UH, SUGGESTING THAT HE'D DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN BLACK, BUT STILL A DARK, UM, COLOR, UM, BROWN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS.
SO, UM, YOU'LL, I'LL DISCUSS THAT WITH CALVIN AND SEE IF HE CAN COME UP ANOTHER COLOR THAT HE'S, HE'S, UH, CONSIDERATE OF.
I KNOW THAT IN CASES IN THE PAST WE'VE DISCUSSED WHETHER OR NOT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ITSELF OR THE EDGE OF THE FRONT PORCH IS DETERMINED THIS THE SETBACK.
AND IN ANOTHER CASE, UM, IT WAS FELT THAT THE FRONT OF THE PORCH IS WHAT SHOULD WOUND UP AS THE SETBACK.
TH THIS IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS DIRECTLY, A MAIN BUILDING ON A CORNER LOT MUST HAVE A FRONT YARD SETBACK THAT IS WITHIN ONE FOOT OF THAT, OF THE CLOSEST MAIN BUILDING IN THE SAME BLOCK BASE.
IT DOESN'T SPECIFY PORCH OR MAIN, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, THAT THAT'S THE ONLY SENTENCE IT, IT READS.
AND IN THAT CASE, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS THAT, UM, THE REASON THESE SETBACKS ARE IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE IT MAINTAINS THE RHYTHM OF THE BLOCK BASE AND IT'S NOT THE RHYTHM OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S THE FRONT PORCH THAT DECIDES THE RHYTHM.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK DOWN A, UM, A CONTRIBUTING BLOCK, UM, IN ITS ENTIRETY, IT'S THE FRONT PORCHES, THE ALARM.
AND I BELIEVE IT STANDS TO REASON THAT EVEN IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT VERBIAGE, IT STANDS TO REASON THAT IT'S THE PORCH, NOT THE BUILDING ITSELF.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT TASK FORCE AND UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, MR. CALVIN WAS SAYING, WELL, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE, BUT THE X-RAYS THE PORCH AND SO IT, YOU KNOW, CAN THE PORCH PROTRUDE THAT ONE FOOT? WELL, IN THE OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WAS HELD WAS THAT, UM, THIS SETBACK PROBABLY ISN'T DEFINED BY, LET'S SAY, THE OVERHANG OF AN EVE AS IT WOULD BE A, A FRONT PORCH BECAUSE THE FRONT PORCH IS CONSIDERED PART OF THE MAN DWELLING AND THE EVE IS JUST, UM, AN OVERHANG, WHEREAS A PORCH IS NOT NECESSARILY AN OVERPAYING.
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IT'S BEEN DEBATED BEFORE IT HAS, BUT I CAN SEE THE LOGIC THAT THE FORWARD PROJECTING PIECE OF THE HOUSE WITH THE PORCH IS ESPECIALLY A ROOF PORCH, YOU KNOW, NOW THE SWEEP, BUT A ROOF PORCH THAT THOSE TEND TO LINE UP IN MOST OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE PORCHES TEND TO BE OF SIMILAR DEPTHS.SO YOU WOULD NEVER ADDRESS THAT BY MAKING A TINY THREE FOOT DEEP PORCH AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO IT, IT DOES SEEM LOGICAL AND IF ALL THE PORCHES ARE ABOUT THE SAME DEPTH, THEN THE FRONT OF THE PORCH SHOULD LINE UP WITH THE OTHER PORT PORCH FRONT AND THE BUILDING ITSELF SHOULD LINE UP.
SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PICK ONE.
THEY KIND OF WORK OUT BOTH, BOTH LINE UP WITH OTHERS.
SO HOW, HOW DOES THIS LINE UP WITH THE OTHER BUILDING, SIR, ON THE BLOCK? I DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSION FOR THE NEXT ADJACENT HOUSE, SO I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER THAT.
OH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE LITTLE DRAWINGS.
A LOT OF PEOPLE GIVE US A LITTLE DRAWING OF ALL THE HOUSES ON THAT BLOCK MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF SUBMISSIONS WORK AND THAT HELPS US VISUALIZE IT IF WE CAN'T PICTURE IT WITHOUT, WHERE IS THAT INFORMATION? WRITE MADAM CHAIR.
IN THIS CASE, ISN'T IT THE NEAREST MOST THAT APPEARS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
SO THEY JUST HAVE TO FIND OUT WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES SENSITIVE TO THE ENTIRE BLOCK.
WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NEAREST MOST BUILDING.
I'M LOOKING THROUGH THE AGENDA PACKET AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE DETAILED DRAWINGS.
A LOT OF OUR, UM, PACKETS ARE NOT SO COMPLETE.
I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THE STANDARDS.
UM, I THINK I JUST FOUND IT ON P PAGE 3 0 5.
SO THESE WINDOWS, THE BLACK WINDOWS ARE MARVIN WINDOWS.
SO THEY'RE WOOD WINDOWS PAINTED WITH BLACK TRICORN PAINT.
HE'S, HE'S USING MARVIN WINDOWS.
SO, AND HIS INTENDING WAS IMPENDING TO USE, UH, THE WOOD WINDOWS HAS BEEN PAINTED A DARK COLOR.
WHICH YEAH, IT WAS A MATTER OF PAINT SELECTION LEADING UP THE CHAIN.
WHAT OTHER QUESTION, COMMISSIONER LIVINGSTON, THE, THE IMPACT OF IN THE REAR, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE, THE DISCUSSION OF THE SETBACK IN THE FRONT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CONCERNS OR THE CHALLENGES THAT, THAT IT WOULD CAUSE MOVING THE MAIN BUILDING BACK FOUR FEET, UM, DRIVING THROUGH THE PORTICO SHARE AND THEN ONWARD INTO THE GARAGE.
THE TWO FAR GARAGE, ALTHOUGH IT'S A LITTLE LARGER THAN STANDARD TWO CARS AND THE TURNOUT ONTO THE MUNGER, IT GETS TO BE KIND OF A, A CHALLENGING VEHICULAR CIRCULATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, MOVING THE HOUSE BACK, HE'S ANTICIPATING THE COVERED PORCH AND THE SWIMMING POOL AT THE BACK.
BUT, UH, POTENTIALLY THE GARAGE COULD GO BACK.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S UP TO A THREE FOOT SETBACK ALLOWANCE FOR ANCILLARY STRUCTURES IN WHICH AREA'S OWN, UM, PENDING, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR WE HAVE TO MOVE THE REST OF THE HOUSE TO MOVE THE WHOLE PLAN.
SO TO BE BACK, UH, WHAT WE FOUR FOOT, FIVE FEET, UM, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE PROBABLY POSSIBLE.
AND IS THERE A STANDARD DEPTH BETWEEN SPACING BETWEEN THE ASSESSOR DWELLING AND THE MAIN BUILDING? UH, YOU LIKE ABOUT 24 FEET, THE BACK OF THE VEHICLE OUT AND MOST OF YOUR PARKING, UH, LOTS AND EVERYTHING, PARTICULARLY YOUR, UH, ENCLOSED COMMERCIAL GARAGES, YOU DON'T HAVE 24 FEET.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET YOUR CAR IN AND OUT AND UH, IT'S, UH, THEN THE ACTUAL TURNOUT ONTO MUNGER WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO MOVE UP CLOSER TO THE CORNER OF THE GARAGE WHERE THE LESSONS HAVE TO BACK OUT.
AND THEN EXCUSE, UH, A LEFT HAND TURN ON THE A RIGHT TURN.
WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT BRICKS,
CLEARLY THE CLIENT HAS SOME IDEAS ABOUT WINDOW COLORS TOO AND STUFF.
UM, BUT, UH, IF, IF THE BRICK WAS NOT CONSIDERED, UM, WE DON'T CARE WHETHER WE THINK THE BRICK'S PRETTY OR NOT ACTUALLY, BUT WHETHER IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO PERHAPS LOOKING AROUND AT SOME OF
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THE BRICKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU MIGHT COME UP WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR HIM THAT YOU COULD SELL US AS COMPATIBLE THAT HE LIKES MODEL.IT'S UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF MA UM, MAKE SOME RICHE ON IT AND SO FORTH, WHICH EVIDENTLY, YOU KNOW, CLASSIFIED PAINT.
UH, BUT IT WAS, UM, A BRICK LIKE YOU WOULD SEE ON A LOT OF HOUSES TODAY.
THINGS WITHIN THE BRICK ITSELF HAD A LOT OF DIFFERING COLOR AND SO FORTH, WHICH GAVE A LOT OF INTEREST IN AND SO FORTH.
BUT I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A BRICK YOU WOULD NECESSARILY FIND IN A HOUSE AND THERE'S NOTHING TO BE PRETTY UNIFORM.
I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE THERE.
YOU SEE IT ON A LOT OF HOUSES TODAY, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S, THIS HOUSE IS TRYING TO FIT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS LIKE CHICAGO BRICK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL I, I, YOU KNOW, A SEARCH FOR A NEW BRICK I THINK WOULD HELP YOUR, YOUR DESIGN BRICK.
THAT IS NOT, I THINK YOU'VE MADE ANOTHER SELECTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR OFF THE IS, IS.
WELL THE, UM, WE MAY, WE MAY HAVE TO, THERE ARE TRADEOFFS TO KEEP A HISTORIC DISTRICT LOOKING THE APPROPRIATE WAY.
THERE MUST BE TRADEOFFS SOMETIMES IN WHAT WE WOULD LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES.
AND AS A PERSON WHO'S LIVED IN ONE FOR 25 YEARS NOW, AND THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE I KNOW WHO HAVE TOO, SOMETIMES YOUR DRIVING ISN'T AS EASY.
SOMETIMES YOUR PARKING ISN'T AS EASY.
SOMETIMES SOMETHING'S NOT THE WAY YOU WOULD'VE CHOSEN IT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY YOU GET IT THERE AND YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S A TRADE OFF
SO, UM, I I HOPE THAT YOUR, YOUR CLIENT CAN BE CREATIVE AND FLEXIBLE IN THEIR CHOICES.
UM, THE SINGLETON, UM, JUST ONE THING, AS YOU GO THROUGH THE DESIGN STANDARDS, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS ABOUT SETBACKS FOR, UH, THE SIZE OF THE FRONT YARD.
SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR SETBACK FOR THE FRONT THE HOUSE, BE SURE AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALSO.
WE'LL, UH, GET AN ACCURATE MUTUAL OF THE NEXT NEXT HOUSE AND WE'LL MAKE THAT WITHIN ONE FOR, OKAY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER OFFIT, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? UH, IF, IF I'M READING IT CORRECTLY, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS FOR APPROVAL, BUT I'M, UH, WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHEN DOES THE APPROVAL OR SUBMISSION OF THE CORRECT BRICK COLORS COME IN? THAT APPEARS TO BE A GOOD QUESTION, PERHAPS FOR STAFF.
AS YOU HEARD, WE DO NOT YET KNOW IF THE, UH, PERSON WHO'S GOING TO OWN THIS HOUSE HAS SETTLED ON A BRICK THAT MIGHT BE MORE ACCEPTABLE, BUT SO, UM, DID YOU HAVE, SO THERE IST UPDATED FOR THE DRAWINGS THAT WERE, WERE PUT OUT, UH, EARLY MAY.
UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT DRAWINGS THAT WERE PRODUCED IN APRIL 15TH, I THINK.
I BELIEVE I, I RECEIVED, HE SENT ME SOME, YOU GOT THIS.
WE, WE ADDRESSED MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DISCUSSED.
UNLESS HE SENT ME THE WRONG ONES.
THEY, THEY CAN SEE THE, THE SUBMITTED REVISION.
YEAH, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT ONES IN OUR PACKET, WHICH THE PUBLIC DIDN'T GET TO SEE.
SO, UH, PERHAPS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, UM, I'LL CHECK THE DATE THOUGH OF WHAT HE SUBMITTED TO ME.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE CUZ I NOTED WHERE THE REVISION STARTS BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF PAGES.
OKAY, THIS, THIS ABOVE NUMBER ONE.
OKAY, SO THEN I BELIEVE HE STILL HAD THE TWO BRICK COLORS ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WAS SPECIFIED.
YEAH, WE, UH, HE MIGHT HAVE SENT ME THE LONG, THE, THE WRONG PICTURES THERE.
THIS ONE IS BRICK OPTION TWO AND BRICK OPTION ONE.
SO WE STILL HAVE TWO UNLESS HE WAS WANTING US TO THE PHOTOGRAPH.
HE UH, THE YARDS I HAVEN'T SEEN ARE THEY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT.
UM, SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE AS OF LAST WEEK.
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UH, OKAY.SO THOSE BRICK OPTIONS ONE AND TWO ARE THE MOST RECENT IDEAS OF THE APPLICANT? YES.
AND ARE THEY THE ONES THE TASK FORCE SAW WHEN THEY FELT THEY DID NOT, UH, THINK THE BRICKS WERE COMPATIBLE? UM, THE TASK FORCE SAW THE FIRST APPLICATION, WHICH YOU GUYS HAVE AS WELL.
OH YEAH, I'M MAKING YOU DO THAT INSTEAD OF ME.
MY RECOLLECTION IS THESE ARE A LITTLE BIT LIGHTER COLORED BRICK, BUT IT'S STILL MODELED.
UH, I DO REMEMBER THE PICTURE AND UH, THE ADVISED THAT HE DID SHOW US STUFF THAT I HAVEN'T RECEIVED.
LIKE HE DID HIS OWN, UH, POWERPOINT SO TO SPEAK, AND SHOWED US DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
UM, AND SOME OF THEM WERE NOT WHAT WE RECEIVED INITIALLY, BUT I DO REMEMBER, LIKE YOU SAID, THE THE BRICK WITH THE GO BACK TO.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR ORIGINAL ONE HAD THE SAME.
YEAH, THIS ONE HAD THE SAME ONE, BUT WHAT HE SHOWED US WAS MORE IN WHAT YOU SAID WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS LIKE SMEARED OVER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE GROUT WAS SMEARED OVER OR THE, THE MORE TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE.
ACTUALLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S MADE TO LOOK LIKE, BUT TASK FORCE THOUGHT IT WAS LOOKED LIKE PAINT,
SO, UM, THAT'S I GUESS WHY THESE TWO OPTIONS WERE SENT LATER WITHOUT THAT BRUSHED, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED.
EVEN THE BRUSHED SOUNDS GOOD BRUSHED, BRUSHED BRUSHED, UH,
SO THESE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE A PICTURE OF HERE ARE TWO THAT ARE NOW BEING REQUESTED AND THE TASK FORCE DID NOT SEE.
SO WE COULD CHOOSE ONE OF THOSE IF WE THOUGHT THEY WERE MOST COMPATIBLE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE BRICKS OR FURTHER HELP YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR STAFF'S OPINION OF WHICH BRICK TO CHOOSE.
IF, IF ONE IS MORE COMPATIBLE THAN THE OTHER, I APPARENTLY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECT, WE HAVE BRICK NUMBER ONE, WHICH NOBODY THOUGHT WAS COMPATIBLE AND NOW WE HAVE A CHOICE AS A BRICK NUMBER TWO OR BRICK NUMBER THREE.
WE HAVE BRICK NUMBER ONE AND TWO, WHICH I THINK WERE BOTH, WERE NOT PRESENT WHEN THEY DECIDED THAT WHAT HAD BEEN OFFERED WAS NOT COMPATIBLE.
DOES STAFF HAVE ANY, UM, RESEARCH THEY HAVE PERFORMED ON THE TWO OF THESE TO SEE WHICH ONE MIGHT WORK BETTER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING HOUSES, THIS WAS, THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE AND YOU HAVE THE DARKER BROWN, BUT THEY'RE ALL PRETTY OTHER THAN THE COLUMNS IN THIS PRE UNIFORM AND YOU KNOW, ONE SOLID COLOR, NOT BLUE.
THIS ONE, THIS ONE HAS BROWN AND LIGHTER COLORS.
ARE THE COLORS IN THAT ONE AS LIGHT AS THE PROPOSED? I DON'T THINK SO.
SO IF, IF WE HAD TO DESCRIBE WHAT YOU THOUGHT, THE WAY THESE DON'T FIT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THEY'RE TOO LIGHT.
WELL THIS ONE DOES PRESENT LIGHT AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AGE OF THE BRICKS TOO.
THAT, THAT THE COLOR WILL CHANGE AS IT AGES.
THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DARKER WITH A LITTLE BIT OF GRADATION.
WHERE IS THIS ONE? WELL, IT HAS, IT'S JUST THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT COLOR PALLETS.
AND THAT ONE'S ALON MOST BRICK, UM, IS PUT TOGETHER IN THE BLEND.
THAT WOULD BE VERY BLAND AND, AND BORING.
BE IT DARK, BE IT LIGHT, UNLESS IT'S A WHITE POLO TYPE BRICK.
IF YOU WANT THAT STARK LIGHT, THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S AFTER AT ALL.
BUT IF YOU'RE SEEING IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THERE, EVERY ONE OF 'EM HAS A MIXTURE OF LIGHTER AND DARKER BRICKS, WHICH IS JUST A NORMAL, NORMAL BLEND.
NOW IT'S KINDA LIKE MIXING PAINT, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE THIS AND A LITTLE LESS OF THAT.
YOU GIVE COLOR OR APPEARANCE OF THE DISTANCE.
NOW IT ALL MIXES TOGETHER TO THE EYE.
IT, IT'S HARD FOR US TO PREDICT THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONER OFFIT, UM, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR? UH, THE STAFF SEEMS TO FEEL MAYBE THEY COULD WORK OR MAYBE THEY COULDN'T.
I MEAN IT'S IT'S HARD TO TELL MARK PICTURES.
I MEAN, NOT TO MENTION YOU'VE ALREADY, I WAS LOOKING FOR A LITTLE MORE DEFINITIVE GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF IS IS THIS SUBSTITUTE BRICK, THE, OR WHATEVER THE CHOICE OF BRICK THAT WE'VE COME NOW.
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AND, AND I'VE GOT A HOUSE ON MY STREET WHERE IT GOT THE WRONG BRICK AND WE'VE HAD TO LIVE WITH IT FOR GOING ON 30 YEARS NOW AND IT STICKS OUT LIKE A SO SORE THUMB IN OUR, UH, DISTRICT.AND I, I JUST HATE TO INFLICT THAT UPON, UH, THOSE FOLKS THAT HAVE LIVED THERE.
AND SO I, I GUESS I'M, I WAS HOPING STAFF WOULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE SAYING ABSOLUTELY THIS WILL FIT IN.
YOU MEAN THIS IS GOES ALONG WITH THE DESIGN AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, YOU'VE ALREADY CALLED OUT THE BLACK WINDOWS, THE BLACK SHINGLES.
SO IF SOMEBODY WENT WITH THE LIGHTER ONE, COULD IT BE SAID THEY'RE GOING BLACK AND WHITE, WHICH COMMISSION DOES NOT USUALLY? YEAH.
UM, FAVOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M THE DESIGNER.
I CAN'T SAY WHICH ONE I, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SEEING EVERYTHING.
BUT WHAT YOU CAN SAY IS THAT THEY HAVE NOT SO FAR STRUCK YOU AS YES, THAT'S A SUREFIRE HIT.
IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'D HAVE TO GET BRICKS TO MATCH THE OLD BROWN COLORS.
I MEAN, THE COLOR SCHEMES DON'T SEEM THE SAME AS THE OTHER ONES.
THE OTHER ONES ARE MORE BROWN AND EARTH, TONY, YOU KNOW, COLORS OR I BELIEVE MS. SINGLETON HAS A SUGGESTION WOULD BE FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH WITH ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A BRICK SAMPLE OF WHAT YOU WANNA USE, UM, THE ORDINANCE.
JUST SAY ALL, UH, DOES SAY ALL EXPOSED BRICK ON SAGS MUST BE FIRED BRICK, UH, DEFINED BY THE AMERICAN STANDARD TESTING MATERIALS DESIGNATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
BUT YOU CAN AS A COMMISSION ASK THEM TO COME BACK WITH SOME MATERIALS TO ACTUALLY SHOW YOU.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE BRING IN A WINDOW TO SHOW US.
SO WE COULD SEE HOW, HOW, HOW IT READ DEPTH LIGHT.
MR. BELLEY, IN REGARDS TO THE, UM, THE, THE DARKER TRIM COLOR, THERE IS ALREADY AN EXAMPLE IN OUR PACKET OF A HOUSE THAT HAS THIS SIMILAR, WHICH IS THE 52 0 6 VICTOR STREET, WHERE, UM, ALTHOUGH IT HAS WHITE, UM, TRIM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WINDOWS, UM, IT HAS THE, LET'S SEE THE PAGE UP, BLACK FRONT TRIM.
I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP AS WELL.
NO, NO, THAT'S A LONG DIRECTION.
HERE'S THE GREEN, UM, IN HERE.
VICTOR BE IF YOU'RE ABLE TO, NO, UH, SCROLL IN IT.
THERE'S THE, THE WHITE WINDOW TRIM AT LIKE THE FOUR AND A WINDOW'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, BUT THE REST OF THEM HAVE THAT, UH, DARK COLOR BLACK STASHES.
SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ANOTHER BROWN HOUSE, BROWN BRICK THERE ON THAT SIDE RIGHT NEXT TO IT.
UM, THAT ONE IS BRICK AND SHINGLE.
I THINK THEY'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FROM WHAT THEY CAME WITH, WITH THE, THE BRUSHED BRICK.
UM, SO CHRISTINA, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT THEY TRY A LITTLE BIT CLOSER SURVEY OF THE BRICK IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALL THE ADJACENT SCRS AND SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH A, A GENERAL COLOR PATTERN PALETTE THAT I WOULD, I MEAN THERE IS A LIGHTER ONE, LIKE ON THIS PICTURE HERE.
IT IS SIDING, BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT JUST DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S IN THAT CREAM COLOR.
SO SOME CREAM OR BROWN, IF YOU COULD DETERMINE THAT, THAT TENDS TO BE THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO CONVINCING US THAT ANOTHER CREAM BROWN WILL BE IN THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
CUZ WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GO OUT AND LOOK AT THESE THINGS.
BUT THE APPLICANT, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO, LOOK AT ALL OF THEM IF YOU LIKE, AND DOCUMENT THEM.
HARD FOR ME TO SPEAK FOR HIM FOR HIS TASTE,
BUT, UM, YEAH, IF YOU COULD, YOU COULD DO THAT AND PRESENT THE FINDINGS TO HIM AS WELL.
WIFE S INTO IT AND SEE IF, IF, SEE IF ANYTHING YOU FIND THAT FITS WITH WHAT YOU IDENTIFIED WITH THE OVERALL PATTERN OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THEY COULD ALSO CHOOSE TO LIKE, SO YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME STUFF AND THEN THEY MIGHT LIKE IT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR, I HAVE A MOTION.
ARE YOU, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? PLEASE
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BE OKAY.COMMISSIONER BELS HAS A QUESTION FIRST, AND THIS MAY BE UM, A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY PERHAPS IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE MOTION, BUT AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SETBACKS, 52 0 3 52, 7 52 11, THAT DOCUMENT, AND SHE POINTED OUT THAT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN THE, WOULD IT, WOULD THE PREFERENCE BE FOR STAFF TO SORT OF FIELD VERIFY THAT? OR COULD YOU SIMPLY PUT INTO YOUR MOTION ABOUT IT HAVING TO BE WITHIN, WHAT WAS IT, HOW MANY FEET? ONE.
IS THAT YES, THAT THAT BETTER? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION.
UM, DID YOU SAY THAT THE BRACKETS HAVE BEEN REDESIGNED IN THIS? CUZ THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT BRACKETS AND I NEVER COULD PICK UP ON WHETHER THE BRACKETS ARE REMAIN THE SAME OR IF THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
UM, CALVIN HAD A BRACKET DESIGN THAT HE WAS THE ONE TO PURCHASE, BUT IT WAS A AS PREFABRICATED, UH, BRACKET, PROBABLY OUT OF PYTHON OR SOME OTHER MODERN CONTEMPORARY MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE PAINTED TO LOOK LIKE OTHER I WAS, UH, SUGGESTING, UM, MORE OF A, UH, CUSTOM BUILT, NOT NECESSARILY THAT CONFIGURATION, BUT
I GOT FROM THE, SO THAT REMAINS THE SAME, ALL THE REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE.
WELL WITH THAT I HAVE A MOTION, UM, AND I'LL SAVE COMMENTS THEREAFTER.
THE MOTION IS MADE CUZ I DO HAVE COMMENTS TO THE MOTION.
UM, IN THE CASE OF DISCUSSION ITEM 4 52 0 3 VICTOR STREET CA 2 23 DASH 3 86 CM.
I MOVE THAT, UM, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE AND THAT ITEM FOUR BE APPROVED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND FOR THE REASONS SIGNING DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY ELEMENTS STILL IN QUESTION AND THAT, UM, THIS COMMISSION WOULD MUCH PREFER THAT TASK FORCE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS AGAIN, HOPEFULLY WITH THE PRESENCE OF A QUORUM AND THAT THE TASK FORCE BE URGED TO CREATE A QUORUM THAT DAY.
UM, AND THAT AS DESIGNED RIGHT NOW, THIS PROJECT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WHO? SECOND? COMMISSIONER RENO.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENT ON THIS? ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'RE READY TO VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION? AYE.
EVERYBODY AT HOME BETTER HAVE TO SPEAK.
ANY OPPOSED? AND REALLY SPEAK UP.
APPEARS THAT THE MOTION HAS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW, UM, SIR, YOU AND YOUR CLIENT DID RECEIVE A DENIAL AND YOU COULD APPEAL THAT TO THE CPC FOR A FEE AND THEY WOULD TRY TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE JUDGED WRONGLY.
SO, UH, BUT YOU COULD ALSO JUST COME BACK TO US AND TALK SOME MORE.
WE'VE GIVEN YOU SOME SUGGESTIONS.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION AS, UM, WORKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE ABOUT THEIR DREAM HOME.
I'M SURE THAT'S AWKWARD, BUT, UM, PLEASE COME BACK AND SEE US AND PLEASE DISCUSS WITH CHRISTINE WHO VERY FRIENDLY AND VERY SMART
WE'VE HAD A NEW, UH, SPEAKER COME IN PERSON, SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, MOVE THAT WE TAKE DISCUSSION.
NO, BUT SHE WAS REGISTERED ONLINE.
I I I'M JUST MAKING A MOTION SINCE WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S WELL FIVE WILL BE AFTER I, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, SINCE, UM, D THREE MUST HAVE COME IN EARLIER, I THINK WE HAVE TO STICK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, CHRISTINA MINKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF 49 12 JUNIOR STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 3 8 5 CM.
THE REQUEST, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE EXISTING SIDE DOOR AND ADJACENT WINDOW AND REPLACED WITH A NEW WOOD DOOR WITH THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW.
UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE EXISTING REAR WINDOWS AND REPLACE WITH NEW CASEMENT WINDOWS AND TO REPAIR AND REPLACE SURROUNDING SIDING
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TO MATCH EXISTING STAFF.RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE EXISTING SIDE DOOR AND ADJACENT WINDOW AND REPLACE A NEW WOOD DOOR WITH A STAINED GLASS WINDOW BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS STATED BY 3 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 97.1 11 C ONE S MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.05 G SIX
ITEM TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REMOVE EXISTING REAR WINDOWS AND REPLACE WITH A NEW CASEMENT WINDOW AND TO REPAIR AND REPLACE SURROUNDING SIDING TO MATCH EXISTING, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SPECIFICATIONS DATED BY 3 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C ONE S MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.5016 C I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
TASK FORCE HAS NO COMMENT TO BE TO THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL OH H P APPROVAL TASK FORCE IS CONCERNED THAT THE COMPLETED WORK DOES NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL TO MATCH THE MAIN HOUSE.
AM I THE WRONG KID? YES, MA'AM.
OH, WE DID NEED TO DO, THAT'S WHY I GOT LOST.
I THOUGHT WE WERE STILL SORRY.
OKAY, ONCE AGAIN, TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION.
TASK FORCE HAS NO COMMENT AS TO THE WINDOWS ON THE PROPOSED REAR ELEVATION.
TASK FORCE COMMENTED ON THE PROPOSED WOOD PANELING SURROUNDING THE LEADED GLASS WINDOW AND ASKED WHETHER THE APPLICANT WOULD CONSIDER ADDING ADDITIONAL GLASS PANELS AROUND THE WINDOW.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER FOR THIS.
I BELIEVE I SEE YOU ONLINE? YES.
UM, HELLO? SO I'M, UH, HERE HIRED BY THE HI.
UM, AND ARE WE NEED YOU TO START OFF BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MA'AM.
IT'S A, I'M LIZ GIBSON AND I'M HERE FOR, UH, UH, 49 12 JUNIOR STREET.
AND, UH, YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY? YES, I FIGURED YOU WOULD.
UM, AND NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO, UH, ADDITIONAL PRESENTATION YOU NEED TO MAKE AND THEN WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS.
SO, UH, HIRED BY THE HOMEOWNERS DOING A LITTLE BIT OF OUR REMODEL AND WE WANTED TO REPLACE THE, UM, EXISTING VINYL WINDOWS AND STORM DOORS, UH, WITH WOOD WINDOWS IN A WOOD DOOR AND, UH, PUT THE KITCHEN IN THAT ROOM.
UM, LET ME ASK IF THERE ARE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR APPLICANT OR FOR STAFF.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UH, ONE QUESTION TO, AND IT'S REGARDING THE COMMENT FROM, UM, FROM THE TASK FORCE, UH, THAT ONE WINDOW THAT'S UNDER THE, I BELIEVE IT'S UNDER THE PORCH OR IT WAS YOUR CONVERTED PORCH, IT'S NOW, UH, THE KITCHEN.
UM, IF THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD TWO MORE, UM, GLASS WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STAINED GLASS WINDOW THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT? UH, SO WE, WE'VE TRIED A COUPLE ITERATIONS OF IT.
UH, THE TOUGH PART IS DUE TO THE, UM, DUE TO THE COLUMN, UH, THE ONE COLUMN THAT'S ADJACENT TO, UH, THE, THE BRICK SIDE WALL, UM, WE REALLY KIND OF NEED THAT SPACE FOR THE, FOR THE FRIDGE TO FIT.
UM, SO ADDING ANOTHER WINDOW WOULD REALLY KIND OF TAKE UP SOME OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE CABINETRY.
I DO REALLY APPRECIATE THOUGH THE FACT THAT YOU ARE USING A, UM, A SALVAGED WINDOW FOR, FOR THAT LOCATION.
IT DOES LOOK LIKE A LOVELY WINDOW.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND IF NOT, THEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO HAVE A MOTION.
OKAY, AND LET ME MAKE SURE I DO HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS IN THE MATTER OF 49 12 JUNIOR STREET CA 2 23 DASH 3 85 CM.
I MOVE TO APPROVE THE REQUESTED ITEMS ONE AND TWO FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE
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SPECIFICATIONS DATED 5 3 20 23 AND THE STANDARDS INCORPORATED.DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS MOTION? SECOND, UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER REAU.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ANYONE NEEDS MADE IN THAT CASE? WE WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT APPEARS YOU CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
UM, CONGRATULATIONS MS. GIBSON, AND, UM, I HOPE EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY WITH THEIR, THEIR NEW DOOR AND WINDOWS.
OKAY, OUR NEXT ONE NOW IS NUMBER FIVE.
CHRISTINA MINKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 5 52 11 JUNIOR STREET, MUNGER PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 3 87 CM.
REQUEST NUMBER ONE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD, UM, AN EIGHT FOOT FOUR INCH
A CERTIFICATE, A NU ITEM NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD CONCRETE BASE FROM HOUSE TO DRIVEWAY.
ITEM NUMBER THREE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD STAIRCASE BASE.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE RAILING FROM METAL TO CEDAR STAFF.
RECOMMENDATIONS ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD ADDITIONAL EIGHT FOOT OR ORANGE POST WITH FOUR FOOT CONCRETE BASE FOR STRUCTURAL STRENGTH BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS STATED 65 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH MUNGER PLACE PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 51 P DASH 97 1 11 CUN ONE B FOR ADDITIONS.
CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 G SIX CUN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS STAFF RECOMMENDATION ITEM NUMBER TWO THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD CONCRETE BASE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 65 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH MUNGER PLACE PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C ONE B FOR ADDITIONS, CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4 5 0 1 6 CI FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIORS STANDARDS.
ITEM THREE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD STAIRCASE BASED THE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 65 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH MUNGER PLACE PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTIONS 51 P DASH 97 1 11 C1 V FOR ADDITIONS CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND ITEM FOUR THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CHANGE RAILING FROM METAL TO CEDAR AND PAINT WHITE PER PREVIOUS APPROVED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 65 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH MUNGER PLACE PRESERVATION CRITERIA SECTION 51 P DASH 97 1 11 CUN ONE D FOR ADDITIONS AND 51 P 97 1 11 C ONE I FOR COLOR CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.5016 C I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NO QUO TASK FORCE HAS NO COMMENT TO THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL O H P APPROVAL.
TASK FORCE IS CONCERNED THAT THE COMPLETED WORK DOES NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL TO MATCH THE MAIN HOUSE, MEANING ADDITION TO THE MAIN HOUSE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH A DOMINANT HORIZONTAL OR VERTICAL CHARACTERISTICS SCALE, SHAPE, MATERIALS DETAILING OF THE MAIN BUILDING.
AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER HERE, JONATHAN RANKIN.
WOULD YOU PLEASE BEGIN BY GIVING US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? UH, YES.
52 11 JUNIOR STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 2 14.
AND YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL US THE TRUTH? I DO.
DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH TO SAY.
HEY, I JUST WANTED TO COME HERE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FOLLOW UP TO A ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WE RECEIVED.
UH, THERE WERE A FEW MODIFICATIONS THAT HAD TO BE MADE THAT WERE APPROVAL FOR JUST TO MAINTAIN UP TO CITY CODE WITH A NUMBER OF THINGS AS THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS, UH, CONTINUED.
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UM, DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WORK THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE REQUESTING? WE APPROVE? I HAD A QUESTION.UM, IN ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THERE'S A, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT'S A TEMPORARY SUPPORT UNDERNEATH THAT CENTER STRINGER OF, OF THE STAIR? IS THAT INTENDED TO BE PERMANENT OR IS THAT JUST, UM, TEMPORARY DURING CONSTRUCTION? UH, OKAY.
YEAH, THAT ONE, THE ONE THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE.
SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY TWO TO MAKE IT STRUCTURALLY SOUND.
SO THERE ARE TWO, UH, THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A CEMENT BASE UNDERNEATH THAT TO MAKE IT FOR CITY CODE TO, FOR THE STRUCTURE, UH, OF THE ACTUAL STAIRCASE.
SO YOU'D BE SUPPORTING FROM, FROM THE TWO OUTSIDE STRINGERS AND NOT JUST FROM THE CENTER ONE OR YOU'RE SAYING YOU PUT TWO, THERE WAS TWO ON THE OUTSIDE AND THERE'S NOT A CENTER ONE.
SO YEAH, THERE'S UNDERSTOOD ONE ON EACH SIDE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL IN THAT CASE WE'D BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH 3 87, UH, INITIAL CM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 52 11 JUNIOR STREET.
UM, REGARDING, UM, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE IN THE REQUEST THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR, UH, APPROVAL.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M, I'M SORRY, IN CASE WE TAKE OVER, DID THAT ADDRESS ITEM FOUR? I APOLOGIZE.
OH,
SO THAT, THAT UPDATE HAS BEEN MADE.
THANK YOU
SO WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET US, UM, VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
HAS CARRIE UNANIMOUSLY, CONGRATULATIONS SIR.
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR WORK ON YOUR HOUSE.
AND THAT LEAVES US WITH D NINE
CHRISTINA MINKOWSKI ON BEHALF OF THE CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 6 2 18 NORTH WILLOW AVENUE, WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 3 93 CM, REQUEST NUMBER ONE OR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SIDING ON ENTIRE PROPERTY REQUEST NUMBER TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD REAR DECK STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION THAT ITEM NUMBER ONE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE SIDING ON ENTIRE PROPERTY BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 4.501 G 62 FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS.
ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD REAR DECK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.5016
NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ADD REAR DECK BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
TASK FORCE REVIEWED DRAWINGS AND RECOMMENDED PROVIDING PHOTOS OF EXISTING STRUCTURE, PAINT, COLOR NUMBER, AND SWATCH SIDING, MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS, TRIM DIMENSIONS, DETAILS THAT WOULD INEVITABLY BE NEEDED TO WORK WITH THE SIDING.
ALSO, SUBMISSIONS NEED TO HAVE DETAILS, DIMENSIONS,
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MATERIAL, CALLOUTS OF ARCHITECTURAL SHINGLES ON GABLE AS WELL AS REAR DECORATING.YES, MR. WAIT, LET ME ANNOUNCE, I, THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE.
UH, COMMISSIONER SWAN, IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS, UH, OF STAFF, UH, I HAVE A MOTION.
WELL, NO ONE'S INDICATING THEY HAVE A QUESTION, SO PLEASE GO AHEAD.
IN THE MATTER OF CA 2 23 DASH 3 93 CM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS TWO 18 NORTH WILLETTE AVENUE IN THE WINNETKA HEIGHTS HISTORIC DISTRICT, I MOVE THAT, UH, WE DENY ITEMS ONE AND TWO WITHOUT PREJUDICE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND TO THIS MOTION? SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IN THAT CASE? I SHALL CALL FOR THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE ANY OPPOSED TO THIS MOTION? I SEEING NONE.
UM, THIS MOTION CARRIES AND STAFF WILL COMMUNICATE WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF APPEALING ON DENIAL OR PERHAPS COMING BACK AND TALKING TO US.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1129 BETTERTON CIRCLE IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 23 4 0 3 INITIALS R D.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON EAST RIGHT SIDE OF ROOF.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON EAST RIGHT SIDE OF ROOF BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTION C UNDER ROOFS, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SOLAR PANELS ON THE EAST RIGHT SIDE OF ROOF BE DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
SOLAR PANELS SHOULD BE LOCATED AT REAR OF HOUSE.
SO TO NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET, THIS IS NOT IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE 10TH STREET ORDINANCE.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR A MOTION TO MAKE ON THIS ONE? WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS.
UH, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, FIRST FOR THE RECORD, UH, IS OUR ONLY CONSIDERATION, UM, UH, PROVIDED BY THE ORDINANCE, UH, THE MATTER OF VISIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO PLACING SO SOLAR PANELS FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT? YES.
AND NUMBER TWO WAS ANY, UH, DISCUSSION UNDERTAKEN OF PERHAPS CREATING, UM, UH, A STRUCTURE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE IDEAL, UH, PLACEMENT AND EFFICIENCY OF SOLAR PANELS? I DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT OTHER WEATHERIZATION OPTIONS HAD BEEN CONSIDERED AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
AND I ALSO DISCUSSED POSSIBLE PLACEMENT OTHER THAN THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROOF, WHICH IS THE MOST PROMINENT, UH, VIS VISIBLE SIDE.
AND AS I SAID EARLIER, THE APPLICANT INITIALLY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BE ON THE BACK, BUT LATER CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, ACCORDING TO THEM, THAT WAS THEIR ONLY OPTION OR THE ONLY APPROPRIATE PLACE THAT THEY COULD BE PLACED.
I HAVE HAD NO ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION SINCE THEN ABOUT WHERE ELSE ONE COULD POSSIBLY PLACE THE SOLAR PANELS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? UH, I HAVE A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER ONE IN THE, UH, ITEM, UH, MATTER MATTER OF, UH, CA 2 23 DASH 4 0 3 RD,
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OTHERWISE KNOWN AS 1129 BETTERTON CIRCLE IN THE 10TH STREET, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT.I MOVE, UM, WE DENY WITHOUT PREJUDICE THE REQUEST FOR PLACEMENT OF SOLAR PANELS FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.
SECOND, OUR SECOND CAME FROM COMMISSIONER GUEST.
IF THERE IS NO FURTHER COMMENT BY ANYONE, CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? I I HAVE A COMMENT.
OH, COMMISSIONER VERNO DOES HAVE A COMMENT.
IS SOMEONE ELSE RECOGNIZED? YEAH, COMMISSIONER RENO WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT TOO.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE NO, IT'S FINE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT, UM, UH, THAT THEY LOOK AT THE SHED AS A, AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR THOSE, UH, PANELS.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE ABOUT 25 FEET LONG.
EACH OF THEM IS, IS 30 INCHES WIDE.
AND PROBABLY ALL OF THEM EXCEPT FOR ONE, WOULD FIT ON THE SHED.
SO, UM, YEAH, IF THEY COULD PLEASE CONSIDER THAT, UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, THAT WOULD BE A LOGICAL SOLUTION.
OH, UM, YES, I, I AGREE ENTIRELY WITH COMMISSIONER RENO AND, UH, WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT IF THE, THE SHED IS NOT, UH, SUITABLE THAT THEY CONSIDER A, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SIMPLE SHED STRUCTURE, UM, FOR WHATEVER UTILITY IT MAY PROVIDE.
UM, AND, BUT MOST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MOST EFFICIENT PLACEMENT OF SOLAR PANELS.
UH, AND AS MUCH AS THEY HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF, OF, UH, PROPERTY IN THE REAR OF, OF SPACE IN THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
AND WE, WE DO WISH AS A COMMISSION TO BE SYMPATHETIC TO THE PLACEMENT OF, UH, SOLAR PANELS, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER OF OUR DISTRICTS.
EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE? DALE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSE THIS MOTION? ARE YOU RAISING YOUR HANDS? COMMISSIONER SPEY IS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS MOTION.
SO THE MOTION STILL CARRIES AND STAFF WILL PLEASE COMMUNICATE APPROPRIATELY TO THE APPLICANT.
I DID NOT MEAN TO IMPLY YOU WOULD DO SO INAPPROPRIATELY.
WE WELCOME OUR STAFF WHO NEXT TIME GET TO TALK MORE CUZ I UNDERSTAND COMPUTER HADN'T LET YOU DO ANY WORK YET.
ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED DEAL WITH BEFORE WE GO AWAY? I DO NOT BELIEVE WE'VE MISSED ANYTHING.
WE ALREADY VOTED ON THE MINUTES.
OKAY, THEN IT IS 2 48 AND THIS MEETING OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS ADJOURNED.
DO WE HAVE TO DO THE DATE CHANGING ON THE RECORD, REGUR? I DON'T, I WELL, I'M NOT GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION UNILATERALLY.
I'M THE PERSON WHO NEVER GOES ANYWHERE.
THE REST OF YOU MAY HAVE LIVES OR DO WE WANNA MEET ON JULY 3RD, WHICH IS WHEN WE WOULD BE MEETING AND IF WE DON'T, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO INSTEAD?
ALL THOSE FOR WHOM JULY 3RD WOULD BE NO PROBLEM.
PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR INDICATE ME.
YOU PLAN TO BE HERE JULY 3RD IF WE MEET.
IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING BETTER TO DO.
WE ARE ASKING EVERYONE TO INDICATE BY A RAISED HAND IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE TO MEET ON JULY 3RD, WHICH IS OUR NORMAL MEETING DAY.
WE HAVE THE OPTION, I GUESS, OF CHOOSING MONDAY THE 10TH, BUT WE ARE ASKING OUR ATTORNEY IF THAT, UM, MESSES UP WITH THE TIMELY RESPONSE TO PEOPLE'S APPLICATIONS, WHICH WE ARE REQUIRED BY OUR RULES AND PROCEDURE TO HAVE A TIMELY RESPONSE.
AND WE HAVE TO GET A ROOM AND WE DON'T WANNA END UP IN THE ONE DOWN IN THE BASEMENT.
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SEPTEMBER.WE'VE NEVER NOT MADE FORUM THOUGH.
AT ONE POINT I HAD TO ASK YOU TO RISE FROM YOUR SICK BED AND LOCK ON
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE MISSING TO HAVE QUORUM? ONE.
WE, WE ONLY GOT SEVEN CONFIRMATIONS THAT WE, THAT SAID THEY WOULD COME ON JULY 3RD.
WELL, I, I MEAN I'M SPEAKING OFF RECORD, BUT SAYS, IS IT, IT'S A PROBLEM MS. FOR I CAN CALL IN AT, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE.
I'M GONNA BE OUT OF TOWN, BUT I CAN CALL HIM.
UM, AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HAVE MR. CUMMINGS OR MR. TAYLOR OR SOMEONE WHO'S NOT HERE.
I THINK MR. ANDERSON WILL STILL BE TRAVELING, SO WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE HIM.
SO WITH THE HOPE THAT WE WILL HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE, WE'LL LEAVE IT ON JULY 3RD.
AND ALL YOU PEOPLE HAVE FUN ON HOLIDAYS.
THAT'S REAL NICE FOR YOU,
I'LL SEE SOME OF YOU ON JULY 3RD.
JULY 3RD IS WHEN WE'RE PLANNING ON MEETING.
WE'LL CERTAINLY WELCOME YOU A JOINING US IF YOU CAN.
WE UNDERSTAND IF YOU CAN'T CUSS.
I THINK, I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC THIRD
ARE WE, ARE WE ADJOURNED? YEAH, WE'RE ADJOURNED NOW.