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[Civil Service on June 6, 2023.]
WE READY TO GO? YES, COME.UH, TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 6TH, 2023, AND WE'RE CONVENING AT 9:30 AM AND THIS IS FOR THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DALLAS CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UH, UH, OUR, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA AFTER OUR CALL ORDER WAS PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
AND ANNA, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS? I'M, UH, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.
UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 2ND, 2023 REGULAR SERVICE, UH, CIVIL SERVICE BOARD MEETING.
UH, Y'ALL, UH, HAVE GOTTEN A COPY OF THOSE DRAFT MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, REVISIONS, OR CHANGES TO THEM? NONE.
I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 2ND, 2023 REGULAR CIVIL SERVICE BOARD MEETING.
AND, UH, A MOTION BY MS. MOZER BY JOAN.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, TODAY WE HAVE TWO HEARING ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.
THE FIRST IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
LET ME ASK FIRST IF, UH, ANNA, IF WE HAVE ANYONE WHO IS EITHER ONLINE OR HAS SUBMITTED, UH, A REQUEST TO APPEAR TODAY? UH, NO.
WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY REQUESTS HERE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ONLINE.
SO, UH, UH, AGAIN, I GUESS THERE'S, WE, WE HAD OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND WITH NO ONE WANTING TO SPEAK, I WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
YOU HAVE SOME ATTENDEES AT, AT THE HEARING, I MEAN, AT THE MEETING.
WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.
IT'S JUST THEY JUST OBSERVING THE MEETING.
I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEETING.
IS THERE A PROBLEM? DID WE START THE MEETING BEFORE YOU STARTED RECORDING? GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.
I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, I WAS LOGGED IN TWICE.
UM, I, UH, MR. CHAIR, MS. MAZZONE IS ATTEMPTING TO COMMUNICATE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC, UM, REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS THIS MORNING.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, ATTENDEES THAT ARE IN THE LISTENING GALLERY, UM, ATTENDING THIS MORNING.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO IS DESIRED TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.
I'M SORRY WE WE'RE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY WITH THE COMPUTER IN THIS CONFERENCE ROOM AS WE, AS WE ALWAYS DO.
I THINK ALSO I WANT IT TO BE LOGGED IN TWICE, I THINK.
BUT WE HAVE NO ONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME ON THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.
AND WE'LL HAVE SOME, AN ACTION ITEM LATER ON.
AND SO, I'LL, AGAIN, I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON COMMENTS REGARDING THE REVISIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES.
OUR NEXT ITEM, OUR AGENDA, AGENDA IS A PUB, IS A HEARING, THE REHIRE ELIGIBILITY APPEAL HEARING OF MR. MARK CALHOUN, A FORMER EMPLOYEE IN THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.
UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. CALHOUN.
UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
AND, UH, WHAT, UH, WE, WE, THIS IS AN INFORMAL, UH, FORMAT, MR. CAL.
WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY IS WE HAVE A, A PACK OF MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN, HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US, UH, BY THE CITY.
AND, UH, IT HAS THE DOCUMENTATION YOU'VE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FIRST, IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION HOWEVER YOU WISH ABOUT WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REHIRE WITH THE CITY.
UH, AND AFTER WE HEAR FROM YOU, THE BOARD WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU AND ANYBODY CAN ASK QUESTIONS.
AND, UH, AFTER THE, THE BOARD HAS HAD, HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, WE'LL THEN, UH, CONSIDER ACTION ON YOUR REQUEST.
SO, MR. CALHOUN, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU, UH, TO
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SAY, UH, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO THE BOARD ABOUT WHY YOU'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REHIRE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.SO, MR. CALHOUN, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS, UH, YOUR TURN DOWN, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UH, BASICALLY, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING, UH, WELL, MY NAME IS MARK HOLMES.
I WAS EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, I BELIEVE ROUGHLY SEVEN TO EIGHT YEARS I'VE LEARNED, I LEARNED A LOT, WHICH WAS, UH, WHICH AT THE TIME OF MY DEPARTURE, I WAS ABLE TO GET ANOTHER JOB AT ANOTHER CITY AND, UM, AND GROW AND GET MY LICENSES AND LEARN AND GROW.
BUT BASICALLY, UM, I STARTED AT THE, I STARTED WITH THE CITY OF VALLEY AT A YOUNG AGE.
SO I DID MAKE A COUPLE OF MISTAKES, WHICH LED THROUGH MY, UH, I DO BELIEVE AS I'VE GROWN, I'VE LEARNED TO OVERCOME THOSE MISTAKES AND MANAGE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE BETTER.
ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. CALHOUN? IF, IF NOT, I'M GONNA ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS, DO THEY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU? BUT DOES THAT CONCLUDE WHAT, WHAT YOU WISH TO SAY, UM, AT THIS TIME? I BELIEVE SO.
UH, I REALLY DID ENJOY WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE PEOPLE.
IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK.
UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SIR, WE'RE GONNA TURN OVER TO QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
AND I WILL JUST BOARD ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CALHOUN? MR. CALHOUN, THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.
UM, IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER YOU LEFT THE CITY OF DALLAS, YOU WORKED FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO.
WHAT WERE YOU DOING FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO? UH, I STARTED AS A REGULAR, AS A REGULAR MAINTENANCE.
I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED A MAINTENANCE WORKER.
UH, I BELIEVE I DID THAT MY FIRST COUPLE OF GIRLS, MY FIRST TWO TO THREE GIRLS.
AND THEN, UH, I WAS ABLE TO, I WAS ABLE TO LICENSES AND, UM, WHEN I LEFT, I WAS A SUPERVISOR.
AND WHY DID YOU LEAVE THE CITY OF DESOTO? UH, I WAS READY FOR READY, THE CITY OF SOTO.
IT WAS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FROM THE HOUSE, AND I AM LIKE, I AM A SINGLE PARENT, SO I HAVE CUSTODY OF MY KIDS, AND THEY WAS GOING TO SCHOOL IN ANOTHER DISTRICT, SO IT WAS LIKE A CONFLICT.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD CUSTODY OF YOUR CHILDREN? I, I'M SORRY.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD CUSTODY OF YOUR CHILDREN? UM, I'VE HAD CUSTODY OF MY CHILDREN.
I FIRST GAINED CUSTODY OF MY CHILDREN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS COUNTY, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE, AROUND MY FIRST OR SECOND YEAR.
I WAS GOING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING CUSTODY WITH THEM, UH, OF THEM WITH CPS PS.
AND HOW OLD ARE YOUR CHILDREN NOW? THEY'RE 15 AND 13.
UM, DO YOU STILL HANG AROUND WITH THE SAME PEOPLE YOU WERE HANGING AROUND WITH IN 2015 WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN YOU WERE LET GO FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS? OH, NO, MA'AM.
I DON'T REALLY HANG AROUND TOO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
UH, I STARTED COACHING LITTLE LEAGUE FOOTBALL, SO THAT REALLY TAKES THE MOST OF MY FREE TIME.
AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF YOU WERE HIRED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ANY TROUBLE PASSING RANDOM DRUG TESTS IN THE FUTURE? NO, MA'AM.
I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THERE'S A PROBLEM AT ALL.
UH, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CALHOUN? I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
UH, UH, THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE, THE, IN 2015 I, AND I, I RECOGNIZE THAT'S BEEN ALMOST EIGHT YEARS AGO SINCE YOU LEFT THE CITY.
UM, THERE WAS A RANDOM DRUG TEST AND YOU, YOU FAILED THAT.
I WANT TO KNOW, I WANT TO ASK YOU, CAN WE EXPECT THAT NOT TO BE AN ISSUE? SHOULD YOU BE REHIRED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS? YES, I BELIEVE SO.
I SAID I, I'VE OVERCOME, I'VE OVERCOME THAT SETBACK.
SO, UH, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY AND EVERY RANDOM DRUG TEST, UH, AVAILABLE TO PASS AT THIS POINT.
AND DID YOU DO RANDOM DRUG TESTING WHILE YOU WERE AT THE CITY OF DESOTO? YES.
AND DID YOU FAIL ANY OF THOSE? NO, SIR.
AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF I SEE YOUR DATE OF
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SEPARATION WITH DESOTO WAS, UH, APRIL 6TH OF THIS YEAR.DO YOU HAVE OTHER EMPLOYMENT LINED UP AT THE MOMENT, OR, OR ARE YOU JUST CURRENTLY UNEMPLOYED? WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS? WELL, CURRENTLY I AM UNEMPLOYED.
I DID A, UH, I DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, I BELIEVE, A WEEK AGO.
AND, UH, I APPLIED FOR THE CITY OF GRAND PERRY.
AND I THINK ARLINGTON, I KNOW I APPLIED FOR ONE MORE.
UH, I THINK I DID THOSE LIKE MAYBE TWO, THREE, MAYBE.
UH, I BELIEVE LIKE SATURDAY NIGHT I APPLIED ON THE GOVERNMENT, UH, JOBS.COM WEBSITE.
HAVE YOU HAD, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY RESPONSES FROM THOSE OTHER CITIES WHERE YOU APPLIED IN TERMS OF BEING, BEING ELIGIBLE FOR HIRE OR BEING REQUESTED TO HIRE ON? I, ONLY ONE.
I HAVE, ONLY ONE I HAD CHECKED ON WAS THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE.
UM, I HAVEN'T EVEN CHECKED MY EMAILS ACTUALLY.
LIKE MY PHONE IS, I, I ACTUALLY BROKE MY PHONE, SO I WAS TRYING TO LOG INTO THE MEETING ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I COULDN'T GET IT.
SO I'M ON MY PHONE AND IT'S BROKE.
I CAN'T SEE TOO, TOO WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO HOLD IT UP TO MY EAR CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE LOW.
BUT I HAVE TO CHECK MY EMAILS TO SEE IF, UH, I HAVE GOT ANY REPLIES BACK FROM THOSE OTHER CITIES.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD QUESTION? UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
UM, WHAT, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU CURRENTLY RESIDE? WHAT CURRENTLY I STAY IN DALLAS.
I STAY, UM, I STAY LIKE MAYBE FIVE, SIX MINUTES FROM THE DALLAS ZOO.
I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED DISTANCE AS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU LEFT YOUR JOB, UM, WITH THE SOTO IN LOUISVILLE AND SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES ARE EQUALLY OR EVEN FURTHER.
SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
SO I END UP TRANSFERRING THEM FIRST TO PICK THEM OUT OF THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT.
I TRANSFERRED THEM BACK TO DALLAS, I S D, AND THEN, UH, I WAS TRYING TO RELOCATE MYSELF TO BE CLOSER AROUND THE AREA.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? MR. COHEN? IS THERE ANYTHING, OH, I, I'M SORRY, JOAN, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I KNOW THESE GOT APPLICATIONS OUT, BUT I'M JUST ASSUMING FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT DALLAS WOULD BE HIS FIRST CHOICE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO WAIT FOR THE, I WAS TRYING TO WAIT FOR THE MEETING BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPLIED AND, AND, UH, EVEN ACCEPTED ANY OTHER JOBS FOR ME TO CITIES.
ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY.
HEARING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, IT'D BE TIME FOR A MOTION.
IF SOMEONE WISHES TO MAKE A MOTION CHAIR, UH, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, VOTE TO, UM, TO APPROVE MR. CALVIN'S, UH, APPEAL FOR THE RIGHT TO APPLY TO DALLAS, THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THANK, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. COLE AND A SECOND BY MS. S MOZER.
THAT WAS YOU WHO MADE THE SECOND? YES.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE OR SI RAISE YOUR HAND.
MR. CAL CALHOUN, CONGRATULATIONS.
AND, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU ABOUT REAPPLYING BY THE, A REAPPLICATION PROCESS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HELP ME WITH THIS, BUT, UH, MY LOG IN, LIKE, UM, I WAS SUPPOSED TO, I WAS SUPPOSED TO SOMEHOW LIKE, LOG IN TO RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF PAPERWORK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESET THAT OR, OR HOW DO I DO THAT? WELL, LET, LET ME SUGGEST THIS.
IF, UM, WE HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION AND I, WE WILL ASK, UM, SOMEONE FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE YOU A
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CALL, DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU.CAUSE I NOTICED ON THE, UM, ON THE, ON THE PAPER THAT I DID RECEIVE WHEN I DID, IT HAD LIKE, I THINK IT HAD LIKE AN OLD ADDRESS AND AN OLD PHONE NUMBER.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS LIKE, DID YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER, MS. MR. CALHOUN? THE SAME, THE SAME.
UM, MS. MANONE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU FOLLOWING, UM, THE BOARD'S ACTION TODAY TO ADVISE YOU ON HOW TO PERFECT AND MAKE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CITY.
AND I THINK IN SO DOING IT WILL CURE, UH, ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CONCERNS YOU STILL HAVE REMAINING.
OKAY, OUR NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY ARE BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION ITEMS, UH, FROM JARED.
THE FIRST ONE IS A CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD REVISION UPDATE.
IF I CAN SAY ONE QUICK, MR. CAHOUN, IF YOU WANNA LEAVE, THAT'S OKAY.
YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY, STAY IN THE MEETING, BUT, BUT WE'RE DONE WITH YOUR PART OF IT.
IF YOU WISH TO GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS TODAY, WHATEVER YOU WISH TO DO.
OKAY, MR. DAVIS, I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO YOU.
YES, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS MORNING.
AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UM, WORKING TO BRING TO YOU TODAY FOR YOUR ACTION, OUR, A REVISED CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE, UM, BOARD.
UM, AND SO WE'VE REVISED THOSE RULES, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH MANY OF THOSE CHANGES.
I WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT AND MAKE THE ENTIRE BOARD OF WHERE I KNOW YOU ALL ARE AWARE BECAUSE YOU'VE RECEIVED YOUR BOARD MATERIAL.
UM, WE COMPILED ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU ALL.
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHO WROTE US THE ACTUAL TEXT OF THEIR COMMENTS, WHAT DEPARTMENTS THEY REPRESENTED, AND WHAT RULE OR OR COMMENT THEY HAD AN OPINION ON.
AND SO YOU ALL RECEIVED ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT WERE DUE TO US BY POST BUSINESS ON, ON MAY 31ST.
UM, WE ALSO, IN THE POSTING OF THIS AGENDA OPENED UP, UM, WE SENT OUT INTERNALLY TO THE CITY ON TWO, UM, TWO OCCASIONS, INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES ABOUT OUR RULE REVISIONS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND INSPECT THOSE CHANGES AND, AND ANY RELATED INFORMATION CONNECTED TO THE CHANGES THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING TODAY.
AND THAT ANY REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKER WHO WANTED TO SPEAK HEAD INTO 12, UH, ON, UH, UM, UNTIL 12:00 PM ON FRIDAY, JUNE 12TH TO LET US KNOW.
AND SO WE HA WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS TO THAT REGARD.
YOU HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS HERE.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT I, I SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.
UM, AND THAT'S THE, THE PRIMARY UPDATE AS IT RELATES TO OUR REVISED CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS.
AND WE STILL ARE PLANNING TO MOVE FORWARD TO A JUNE, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE ARE TO ADOPT THESE BY RESOLUTION.
UM, AND SO I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT PROCESS.
I THINK ALL OF THE MATERIAL CHANGES, WE'VE BRIEFED THEM OUT TO YOU ALL.
UM, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, BEAT THIS DRUM NOW,
AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING AND, AND FOR THE, THE, UH, PROCESSES YOU WENT THROUGH WITH THE CITY TO GIVE OUT NOTICES AND, AND, AND COMMENTS, ET CETERA.
BOARD MEMBERS, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JARED OR WE CAN WE'LL MOVE ON THE NEXT ITEM IF THEY'RE NOT YES.
YEAH, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE CHAT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
SO, UH, IS IS HONOR, IS, IS SHE ADDRESSING THIS, THE ISSUES WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE CHAT NOW? MADAM VICE CHAIR? UM, AND IF I MAY RESPOND, UM, YES.
UM, SHE IS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO RESPOND.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE DIALOGUE IS THE QUESTION ABOUT A DESIRE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS WANNA MAKE SURE, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE COMMENTS ARE SUBMITTED TO YOU AS A BOARD.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I REAFFIRMED TO THE ENTIRE GROUP THAT ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY MAY 31ST, UM, WERE COMPILED AND SENT TO YOU ALL.
THE SECOND COMPONENT, UM, VICE, UM, UH, CHAIR, UH, MARSHALL HENSON IS THAT IN OUR, AND FOR EVERY MEETING THAT WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE, UM, FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
AND THAT WAS AT 12:00 PM ON, ON, ON ON JUNE 2ND.
CHANDRA AND, AND JARED, I MAY ASK THIS QUESTION.
WOULD ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTION IF ON THE MINUTES FOR TODAY'S MEETING, WHEN THOSE GET PREPARED, THAT WE ATTACH THE, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED? UH, SO WE'D
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HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE RECORD.WOULD ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION? I KNOW THE MINUTES WON'T BE APPROVED TILL NEXT MONTH, BUT, BUT, UH, OR ACTUALLY IT MAY NOT BE UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING, I GUESS, CUZ THIS JULY WILL BE OFF.
BUT WOULD ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECT IF NO ONE HAS THE OBJECTION TO THAT? I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ATTACH THOSE COMMENTS.
SO WE DO HAVE A RECORD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS WERE MADE.
NONE OF THOSE BEEN REVIEWED, SO, SO NO ONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE RECEIVED THOSE OR NOT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? SO, EXCELLENT IDEA AND, AND, AND MAYBE A NOTE TO SAY THAT WE HAD 23 ATTENDEES IN THE, IN THE ROOM OR SOMETHING.
CUZ I, I MEAN, I, I FEEL PEOPLE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN HEARD AND, AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.
I HATE THAT THEY DIDN'T SIGN UP IN TIME TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT WE DID GET THEIR COMMENTS.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE AS ATTENDEES.
SO MAYBE SOME KIND OF NOTICES TO SAY DO THAT PLUS, UH, MAYBE JUST RECOGNIZE THAT WE DID HAVE ATTENDEES HERE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING REFLECT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE ON MY SCREEN I CAN'T SEE ANY, ANY CHATS AT ALL.
SO I JUST, IT'S SEE ALL THE ATTENDEES.
YEAH, YOU CAN TOUCH THE TOP, UH, CHAIR TO, TO VIEW THE CHAT ON THE SIDE.
I WASN'T WATCHING IT PREVIOUSLY EITHER.
UH, SO I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING OKAY.
WE, AND WE JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DO, WE, WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY MAKING THOSE COMMENT, MAKING COMMENTS COMING IN HERE FOR THE MEETING CUZ IT IS IMPORTANT AND WE ARE TAKING THOSE THINGS INTO IT'S CONSIDERATION.
THE NEXT ITEM ON, THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.
DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO HEAR THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK OUTSIDE OF THIS DEADLINE, THIS ARBITRARY DEADLINE? OR DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUSH THIS HEARING AND SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? I, I, WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS MANY ATTENDEES AT A MEETING.
I WOULD SECOND TO THAT REQUEST TO MAYBE ADDRESS THIS FURTHER.
UM, I DON'T WANNA, UM, HAVE, UM, MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DIRECT KNOWLEDGE.
THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADD AND, AND MAKE A, A POOR, POOR, VERY IMPORTANT, UM, UM, RECOMMENDATION.
I I I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH REOPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.
I, I WASN'T AWARE THAT PEOPLE WERE LINE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK OR, OR ON, ON THE CHAT ROOM OR WHATEVER.
AND, UM, JARED, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
IF SOMEONE WANTED TO SPEAK, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD NUMBER, WOULD THEY CALL, WHO WOULD THEY CONTACTED IF WE COULD LISTEN TO? I'LL LISTEN TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.
IF THERE ARE 23 PEOPLE WHO WANNA SPEAK, I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN TO THEM ALL.
WHAT IS, CAN YOU TELL US THE PROCESS FOR SOMEONE WHO IS IN THERE WHO WANTS TO CALL IN AND SPEAK? I MEAN, I, YES.
I'LL BE HAPPY REOPEN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LET, LET ME JUST, IF YOU JUST ALLOW ME ONE MOMENT TO CHECK WITH ANNA TECHNICALLY TO SEE HOW WE CAN FACILITATE THAT.
I KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, AND I I'M WITH YOU.
I, I DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE CAN HEAR FROM EVERYONE HERE.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WHEN WE POST THE MEETING, WE, WE GIVE THE DEADLINE TO KIND OF WORK OUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO, BUT, BUT LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK IT FOR A MOMENT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO FACILITATE THAT.
I SAW SOMEONE'S NOTE THAT IT WAS A HOLIDAY, SO THAT MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, BEEN A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO SOME OF THEM GETTING BACK IN TIME IF IT WAS JUST THE, I I'M NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT NOTICE THEY WERE GIVEN THAT, UM, FIGURE OUT SOME LOGISTICS.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY I CAN'T SEE YOU CHAT AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW
ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIR, WE, WE RECOGNIZE FROM THE CUMMINS IN THE CHAT THAT I'M, I'M SEEING APPROXIMATELY THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO SPEAK.
I HAVE HONOR, WE'VE RECOGNIZED THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS MR. ZACHARY KESNER, MELISSA THOMPSON, AND, UH, MR. C MORRIS.
SO WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO MOVE THEM INTO THE LIVE,
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UH, INTO, INTO, OKAY.INTO THE VENUE WHERE THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, STARTING WITH MR. KESNER IS YOUR FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER, MR. CHAIR, WHAT WAS THE NAME? ZACHARY PETZNER.
AND I MAY BE MISPRONOUNCING, AND I DO APOLOGIZE.
IF I, OR IF I'M SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCE THAT WE CAN SEE YOU AND WE GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.
AND AGAIN, BOARD WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'M GONNA REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I, I ASSUME THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THAT.
SO SIR, GO AHEAD AND PLEASE MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.
WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME.
UM, I, YES, THE BOARD OPENING THE, THE FLOOR FOR US.
UM, I'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.
I'M A POLICE OFFICER FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS.
AND WHEN I DID RECEIVE THE EMAIL FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD CHANGES, I WAS VERY SURPRISED.
CAUSE I HADN'T SEEN AN EMAIL QUITE LIKE THAT.
UH, IT LOOKED VERY PROFESSIONAL.
UM, AND ON MY ALMOST EIGHT YEARS, I HADN'T QUITE SEEN THE EMAIL FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE REPORT.
AND SO THERE, I DID FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO GO DOWN TO IN PERSON TO REVIEW THE CHANGES AND, UH, NOTICED THAT THE CHANGES WERE FOR ESSENTIALLY, UH, TIME IN GRADE CIVIL SERVICE CHANGES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND, UH, IT SEEMED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRST COUPLE RANKS FROM, UH, PO TO CORPORAL, CORPORAL TO SERGEANT AND THEN SERGEANT TO LIEUTENANT, IT SEEMS THAT, UH, THE, THE CHANGES WERE PRETTY DRASTIC FROM WHAT THEY WERE, UH, ESSENTIALLY A YEAR, UH, TIME AND GRADE TO BE PROMOTED FOR CORPORAL TO SERGEANT.
AND THEN SERGEANT TWO LIEUTENANT, UH, WAS PROBABLY A, A A LITTLE TOO SHORT IN TIME.
AND I THINK THE DEPARTMENT CERTAINLY AGREED WITH THAT.
UH, BUT FIVE YEARS SEEMS REALLY DRACONIAN.
UH, IF, IF AN OFFICER WERE TO KIND OF GAUGE ON HOW THEIR CAREER WAS GONNA GO, UM, IT IT IT WOULD BE ALMOST A MINIMUM OF 15 YEARS BEFORE THEY SAW, UH, LIEUTENANT.
AND I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR AN EASY RETIREMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A LONG-TENURED, UH, TIME AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, IT'S GENERALLY PRETTY RARE THAT YOU SEE AN OFFICER HIT 30 YEARS.
AND SO MAKING A REQUIREMENT FOR AN OFFICER TO, TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HIGHER SALARY CAPS AT 15 YEARS IS, UH, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY ROUGH.
AND THE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY REELING FROM RECRUITING AND RETENTION, AND I, IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WANT TO STAY HERE.
UM, BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT, THEY, THEY, THE, THE FREQUENCY OF THE, THE PROMOTIONAL TESTINGS AT EVERY LEVEL, UM, ISN'T AS FREQUENT AS IN, IN MY OPINION, THAN IT SHOULD BE.
AND WITH AN ADDED LAYER OF FIVE, ALMOST FIVE YEARS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE TIME AND GRADE BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD, UM, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD FOR AN OFFICER TO, TO MOVE IN THEIR CAREER AND KIND OF JOCKEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN A TEST IS COMING OR, OR WHEN IT'S NOT.
AND A LOT OF THEM ARE GONNA GET LOCKED OUT FROM WANTING TO BE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, IT'S REALLY, THESE CHANGES ARE RESEMBLING WHAT A SMALLER AGENCY DOES, WHICH IS, UH, RESTRICTING PROMOTIONS, RESTRICTING TRANSFERS, AND RESTRICTING BIDS, UH, PROMOTIONS AND, AND TRANSFERS ARE, UH, BIDS AND TRANSFERS AREN'T REALLY IN YOUR GUYS' WHEELHOUSE, BUT PROMOTIONS CERTAINLY ARE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS TO COME TO A LARGE AGENCY IS TO HAVE MORE UNRESTRICTED PROMOTIONS.
AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE BOARD IS GONNA CONSIDER TODAY, IS TO HAVE VERY RESTRICTED PROMOTIONS.
UH, AND I I, I DON'T WANNA SEEM ADVERSARIAL, UM, BUT IT, IT, THIS IS REALLY GONNA AFFECT MY CAREER HERE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST, I'M HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS AND I KNOW WHAT A LOT OF OFFICERS ARE IF THESE CHANGES WERE TO GO THROUGH.
SO I, I THANK THE BOARD FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DIFFERENT AVENUE FOR, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY.
AND FIRST, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS TODAY.
I'LL MAKE A, BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT PERSON, I MEAN, DO, CAN WE AS A PUBLIC HEARING PUT LIMITS ON THE TIMES? NORMALLY, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE SPEAK AT COUNCIL MEETINGS, THERE'S CERTAIN, UM, TIME LIMITS.
CAN WE THAT AND MAYBE HONOR, I MEAN, NOT THANK YOU MR. UH, ZACH OR YOU, YOU DIDN'T GO OVER A LONG TIME, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LIMITS JUST IN CASE WE GONNA
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HAVE LIKE TWO MORE SPEAKERS, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.AND THEN ALSO COULD THEY SAY THEIR NAME, THEIR RANK, AND HOW MANY YEARS THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE, THE CITY, WHICH WOULD HELP ME A LOT AS WELL.
UM, YES, AND OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UM, OUR PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT PERIOD IS, IS IS A TWO MINUTE PERIOD, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF MY, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT.
AND SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT AS WE LISTEN TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER, WHO IS MS. THOMPSON, THAT SHE COULD PROVIDE HER HER NAME, UM, THE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME SHE'S BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT.
DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK, UH, BRIEF ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKERS? OKAY.
THIS IS JUST FOR PERIOD COMMENT.
I JUST WAS CURIOUS AND WE, WE'LL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. DAVIS.
THE NEXT SPEAKER, IS IT MELISSA THOMPSON.
MS. THOMPSON, UM, I SEE YOU IN THE, IN THE MEETING, AND IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR CAMERA ON AND GIVE US AND, AND COME OFF OF MUTE AND GIVE US YOUR, YOUR NAME, DEPARTMENT AND, AND, AND TIME AND POSITION BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR TWO MINUTES.
I'M SORRY, MY CAMERA, UH, IS NOT AVAILABLE TO ME AT THIS TIME.
I AM A SUPERVISOR IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 28 YEARS.
UM, LIKE ZACHARY, MY 28 YEARS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN EMAIL LIKE THE ONE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM CIVIL SERVICE.
AND IT GAVE ME CALLS FOR CONCERN ABOUT CHANGES BEING MADE.
AND I, I'M JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING, UH, BOARD WITH US FOR GIVING US ADDITIONAL TIME TO REVIEW THE CHANGES.
I WAS TOLD WHEN I CALLED ABOUT REVIEWING THE CHANGES THAT I WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL AND READ OVER THE OLD AND THE NEW, AND IN THE POSITION I'M IN, THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO DO.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS A HOLIDAY, UH, WEEK AND I WAS OFF FOR FOUR DAYS.
UM, SO LIKE I SAID, IT, IT WAS A SHORT TIMEFRAME TO BE REVIEWED, AND I'M DISRESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE CHANGES.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS.
UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. MORRIS.
MR. MORRIS, IF YOU COULD, UM, TURN YOUR CAMERA ON AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
CAN Y'ALL SEE ME HEAR ME? I DON'T SEE HIM.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, GOING ON NINE YEARS.
UM, I'M A SENIOR CORPORAL, UH, CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO PATROL ON SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT.
UM, MY, MY, UH, ISSUE, OR, OR WHAT I'M FEELING IS, IS, UH, THIS REQUEST TO CHANGE THE TIME AND RANK, KIND OF LIKE WHAT ZACHARY TALKED ABOUT, UH, FIVE YEARS AS A SENIOR CORPORAL TO PROMOTE TO THE RANK OF SERGEANT FIVE YEARS AS A SERGEANT BEFORE YOU CAN PROMOTE TO THE RANK OF LIEUTENANT.
UH, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE'S A HUGE GROUP OF OFFICERS, UH, LIKE MYSELF, WHO WE WERE THE CUTOFF CLASS FOR THE LAST CIVIL SERVICE TEST.
MY CLASS, THE CLASS BEFORE ME, THE CLASS AFTER ME, AND SO ON.
THERE'S A, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS WHO WERE THE CUTOFF FOR THE LAST CIVIL SERVICE TEST.
SO ME, I HAD TO STUDY REALLY HARD AND PROMOTE, UH, IMMEDIATELY.
I HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN A CORPORAL A YEAR, UM, BECAUSE I WAS THAT CUTOFF CLASS, SO I HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SEVEN AND A HALF, EIGHT YEARS OF MAKING SENIOR CORPORAL.
THAT WAS THE FIRST TEST THAT I WAS ELIGIBLE FOR.
UH, BUT PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE ACADEMY WITH ME, COUPLE CLASSES BEFORE ARE ALREADY SERGEANTS NOW.
UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BY TIME AS ON THE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE FOR ME, THAT'S NOT FAIR THAT I'M ALMOST GOING ON NINE YEARS.
TOOK, TOOK THE CORPORAL TEST AS SOON AS I COULD, PROMOTED TO CORPORAL AS SOON AS I COULD.
AND NOW WITH THIS NEW CHANGE IS FIVE YEARS IN, IN THE SENIOR CORPORAL RANK, I'M GONNA HAVE TO BE A 12, 13 YEAR OFFICER TILL I CAN MAKE THE RANK OF SERGEANT WHEN WE HAVE SEVEN YEAR, EIGHT YEAR SERGEANTS.
IF SOMEONE DOESN'T DECIDE TO PROMOTE TO SENIOR CORPORAL AT 15 YEARS, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL
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20 YEARS TO MAKE SERGEANT THEY ALREADY HAVE 15 YEARS ON THE DEPARTMENT? UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BY TIME ON THE DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO TIME AND RANK, UH, BECAUSE THAT SCREWS A LOT OF OFFICERS.LIKE IN, IN MY SPECIFIC SCENARIO, WAITING SEVEN AND A HALF, EIGHT YEARS FOR THEIR FIRST TEST, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT FELL.
WE WERE THE CUTOFF CLASSES, NOT FOR A LACK OF TRYING.
UM, MY WIFE AS WELL AS A DALLAS OFFICER, SHE'S BEEN ON ALMOST 10 YEARS, SHE WAS FOUR AWAY FROM PROMOTING ON THIS LAST LIST.
UH, AND SHE IS ALSO, SHE, IF SHE PROMOTES TO CORPORAL, SHE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL 16 YEARS ON TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE SERGEANT.
I JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, VERY EXTENDED AND THAT DOESN'T HELP WITH PROMOTING AND, AND MAKING OFFICERS WANT TO BE HERE.
UH, I AGREE WITH ZACHARY, UH, OFFICER ZACHARY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS CHANGE GOES INTO EFFECT, I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICERS THAT ARE IN MY SCENARIO, MY SHOES, THAT WOULD AGREE THAT AREN'T HERE TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT THEY PROBABLY AGREE IN, IN SOME SHAPE OR FASHION, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD LIMIT YOUR ABILITY TO PROMOTE AND, AND MOVE UP IN THE RANKS ON THE DEPARTMENT.
BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE HUNDRED OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THIS WINDOW THAT HAD TO WAIT TILL 7, 8, 9 YEARS ON TO TAKE THEIR FIRST TEST AND DIDN'T PROMOTE ON THIS LAST ONE.
I JUST THINK THAT'S GONNA DELAY A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
AND I'M ONE OF THE HUGE ADVOCATES.
I TALK GREAT ABOUT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I'VE RECRUITED PEOPLE HERE, UH, BUT ME HAVING TO WAIT TILL I'VE BEEN ON 12, 13 YEARS TO MAKE, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE SERGEANT, UH, I JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR ME.
THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WANNA STAY HERE, UH, ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS TILL I'M ELIGIBLE TO BE A SERGEANT.
I JUST, I THINK THAT'S, UH, A LITTLE ABSURD.
OFFICER MORRIS, THANK, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS TODAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE, THAT WE HAVE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD? MR. CHAIR.
WELL, WITH THAT THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AFTER WE HAD REOPENED IT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UH, OUR NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THEN IS, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT UPDATES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.
MR. CHAIR, UM, SINCE WE'RE A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER, I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT OUR ORDER.
WE WERE, WE WERE ALLOWED ASKING QUESTIONS AND, AND DOING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS HEARING ITEM.
WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS HEARING ITEM, THEN WE OPENED IT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, I NOW HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS.
WOULD NOW BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE OR SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE BOARD UPDATES? MAYBE AFTER THE BOARD UPDATES? THE NEXT ITEM ARE THAT THE, THE, THE ADOPTION OF ADMITTED RULES IS THE NEXT ACTION ITEM AFTER THE BOARD UPDATE.
THANK YOU, MR. TURN THAT BACK OVER TO YOU.
AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH JUST A COUPLE, JUST A COUPLE UPDATES AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK TO OUR, TO OUR ACTION ITEM.
UM, ANNA, IF YOU COULD BRING UP, UM, OUR DEPARTMENT UPDATES.
JUST WANTED TO SHARE, UM, VERY BRIEFLY WITH YOU ALL, UM, HIRING EVENTS IN JOB FAIRS.
UM, ON MAY 10TH, WE HELD A HIRING EVENT IN JOB FAIR IN CONJUNCTION WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHERE WE WERE GENERATED 78, UM, JOB SEEKERS RESULTING IN 13 OFFERS AT THAT PARTICULAR EVENT, WE DID MOCK INTERVIEW, UM, SESSIONS WITH MOSQUITO I S D ON MAY 16TH, WHICH GENERATED ABOUT 20 PARTICIPANTS, UM, THAT PARTICIPATED IN, UM, AN INTERVIEW MOCK, UM, PROGRAM.
AND THEN IN DESOTO, WORKS JOB FAIR WAS A, A A A BIG JOB FAIR, UH, DOWN IN DESOTO HELD ON THE 24TH, WHICH GENERATED, UM, 45 JOB SEEKERS AND COUPLE PICTURES ARE INCLUDED, UM, IN THE, IN, IN THE CHART FROM THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT'S THE MATERIAL UPDATE, UM, FROM MAY FOR OUR, FOR OUR BOARD, UM, UPDATES IN TERMS OF OUR OUTREACH, UM, FOR JOB APPLICANTS AND, AND JOB FAIR.
SO I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
UM, AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE BACK TO THE, THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I THINK THAT WE MAY HAVE.
UH, IS THAT ALL ON ON, UH, UPDATES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS, OR ARE THERE I DON'T, YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE YES, SIR.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, I, I SAW PICTURES ON THE SIDE.
YEAH, I'LL MAKE SURE I PERCOLATE THOSE.
THOSE ARE SOME, THOSE ARE PICTURES.
AND, AND, AND REALLY THE ADDITIONAL SLIDES ARE JUST RE ARE, ARE SNAPSHOTS FROM THOSE EVENT, THOSE, UM, EVENT.
ARE THERE ANY, OKAY, THANK YOU, JARED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JARED?
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OKAY, THEN THAT TAKES US TO OUR, OUR ONLY ACTION ITEM TODAY.UH, ON, ON UNDER ITEM SIX ON THE BUDGET, ADOPT THE AMENDED CODE OF ROYALS REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME WOULD BE THE TIME FOR A DISCUSSION.
AND ANY MOTIONS, ANYBODY LIKE WHO'D LIKE TO GO FIRST? AND, UM, I'M GOING TO IS IS, UH, NO, I DON'T SEE OUR ATTORNEY HERE.
IS JENNIFER, UH, ON THE, IN A TILE THAT I JUST CAN'T SEE? JENNIFER HUGGER.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY ISSUES WOULD COME, WOULD COME UP.
I KNOW JENNIFER HAD WORKED WITH US ON THE, ON THE RULES.
SO, UM, BOARD, LET ME TURN OVER.
I SEE SHANNON, I SEE YOUR FINGER, YOUR HAND RAISED.
I, I THINK AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, BEFORE WE DO DISCUSSION, DO WE, DO WE NOT HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS FIRST AND THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION? WELL, WE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE HAVING ANY DISCUSS? YEAH.
SO THEN THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS.
I THINK THE QUE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS MAY ASSIST IN, IN ADOPTING OR, OR CONSIDERING A MOTION.
SO I MEAN, IF, IF WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION FIRST AND HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, THAT'S FINE.
I MEAN, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION CHAIR FIRST? FOR, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AMENDED CITY OF, OF CODE AND RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
IS THERE A SECOND OF THAT MOTION? CAN IT? OKAY.
WE MOTION AND A SECOND NOW WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.
UM, JARED, READING OVER HERE IN THE CHAT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE ASKED CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES TO COME TO CITY HALL AND COMPARE THE OLD RULES TO THE NEW RULES.
WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THEM ANY HELP ON WHAT RULES WERE CHANGED.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT WE DO IN, WITH ALL OF OUR RULE AMENDMENTS, UM, BOARD MEMBER COLE, IS THAT, UM, FOR A PERIOD OF THREE WEEKS, WE SENT OUT INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES ADVISING THEM THAT THERE WERE SOME CHANGES.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMITTEE AND AS A BOARD A, A PART THAT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO A COMPARE AND CONTRAST BETWEEN OLD RULES AND NEW RULES.
AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS COMPILE THE SUMMARY OF THOSE CHANGES WHERE EMPLOYEES COULD UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES BETWEEN WHAT, WHERE WERE IN THE EXISTING RULES AND WHERE WERE IN THE, IN THE RULES TO COME.
SO THE STATEMENT TO SAY THAT THEY GOT NO ASSISTANCE IN THAT, WE DID PROVIDE THEM WITH A SUMMARY OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE.
UM, AND BOTH VERSIONS OF THE RULES TO THAT, THAT, THAT JUST, NO, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE CONSIDERED OR WHAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED AS A BOARD.
UH, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THERE WAS A SUMMARY PROVIDED CUZ I SPENT EIGHT HOURS PROVIDING THE SUMMARY THAT WE REVIEWED.
SO I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO COMPARE THOSE TWO SETS OF RULES AND SO CORRECT.
I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT WE JUST THREW THEM OUT THERE AND SAID, GOOD LUCK.
WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY SENSITIVE AND I W AND, AND, AND, AND I WAS BOTH, YOU KNOW, VERY KEENLY AWARE THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE CHANGES IN, IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHAUL AND THE DELETION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REPEATED IN THE PERSONNEL RULES AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED AND THE DIFFICULTY THERE, WE, WE, I I I MADE SURE THAT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EMPLOYEES DIDN'T FEEL THAT THEY HAD TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT ON THEIR OWN.
CONSIDER THE NATURE OF THE CHANGE IN, IN WHAT WE EVEN GRAPPLED WITH OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AS A BOARD.
DID THEY HAVE TO COME TO CITY HALL TO SEE IT? YES.
THAT IT WAS AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION HERE AT CITY HALL.
AND WHY WAS IT NOT PROVIDED TO OUR CIVIL, I'M SORRY, THE LAST PART OF YOUR QUESTION TRAILED OUT.
WHY WAS IT NOT PROVIDED TO OUR CIVIL SERVICE? HMM.
I I'M SORRY I, THE, THE LAST PART,
WAS THERE NOTHING ELSE WE COULD HAVE DONE? I CAN'T HEAR EITHER.
KYLA, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU FOR SOME REASON ELSE THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE, WHY WOULD THEY HAVE HAD TO COME TO CITY HALL? BUT IT IS GETTING THANKED WHEN SHE'S SPEAKING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS, RIGHT? JUST REPEATED THE SAME ADMINISTRATIVE RULE PROCESS THAT WE USED IN ANY OTHER RULE PROVISION CHANGES.
UM, WE ALSO, THAT'S THE SAME PROCESS WE UNDERTAKE, IF ANYONE FROM THE SWORN SERVICE WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK AND EXAMINE ANYTHING RELATED TO ANY TEST ITEM, UM, TEST ITEM REVIEW IS DONE.
AND SO WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AS GUIDANCE TO
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HOW TO EMBARK UPON A RULE CHANGE OR A RULE CHANGE OF THIS SIZE, I JUST, I MIMIC THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE TRADITIONALLY USED.UM, UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT WAS DIFFERENT WAS THE LINKS AND THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION PROVIDED INTERNALLY.
I THINK WHAT YOU HEAR FROM SOME OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS SAYING THEY NEVER SAW ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.
SO WHILE IT WAS HERE FOR PHYSICAL INSPECTION, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE ELECTRONICALLY WE COMMUNICATED AND OVER-COMMUNICATED TO EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAD THIS INFORMATION.
HERE'S THE SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES.
AND, BUT, BUT REALLY IT WAS A, IT WAS A REPETITION OF THE AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY USED.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THERE WAS BEFORE THIS? UM, I, I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME WE HAD, AND I THINK I HEARD THE, I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD A RULE AMENDMENT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE RULE? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.
I I I, IN MY LAST RECOLLECTION, AND I, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I WANT TO BE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS IN EARLY 2019 TEAM.
SO WE WERE BRIEFED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS ABOUT THE CHANGE IN REC TIME AND RANK, WHY THEY WERE REQUESTING IT, WHAT THEY WANTED.
WAS THERE EVER AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE TODAY FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS TO ADDRESS THOSE CHANGES OR TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THOSE CHANGES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ASKED US FOR? THERE WAS, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME BEFORE THIS BODY AND PRESENTED TO THEM THEIR REQUEST, UM, TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.
UM, THOSE ARE PUBLIC, THOSE ARE PUBLIC NOTICE ITEMS. THOSE, THOSE ITEMS ARE A PART OF OUR AGENDA.
SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO COMMENT.
WE ALSO ADOPTED AS A BODY THOSE CHANGES TO THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.
UM, EMPLOYEES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT OR SIGN UP AS A, AS A PUBLIC HEARING PERSON.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO DID INTERNALLY WAS WE JUST DIDN'T TAKE WHAT THE DEPARTMENT ASKED US FOR.
WE ALSO CONDUCTED OUR OWN INTERNAL PROFESSIONAL VALIDATION OF THAT BENCHMARKING AGAINST OTHER, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
AND THAT WAS ALSO BRIEFED, I WANT TO SAY, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
UM, WHICH THEN WOULD'VE BEEN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR, FOR INDIVIDUALS TO WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH INPUT THAT WOULD BE GUIDANCE.
UM, IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, THERE ARE MENTIONS IN THE CHAT THAT THEY'D NEVER RECEIVED EMAILS LIKE THIS BEFORE.
I BELIEVE MR. ZACHARY MAY HAVE SAID THAT AS WELL.
UM, WHEN WE GIVE PUBLIC NOTICE, I MEAN, DID WE GIVE IT DIFFERENTLY TODAY THAN WE'VE GIVEN IT BEFORE? TRADITIONALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, THAT THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR BEFORE ME POSTED IT IN BULLETIN BOARDS.
AND SO THAT MAY BE WHY INDIVIDUALS ARE INDICATING THEY NEVER RECEIVED AN EMAIL BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED PHYSICALLY.
UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EMPLOYEES, WHEREVER THEY MAY SIT ACROSS THE CITY, UNDERSTOOD ELECTRONICALLY THAT THESE WERE THE CHANGES.
AND SO, UM, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND ACCORDING, AGAIN, TO THE PROVISIONS, YOU KNOW, OF HOW RULE CHANGES WORK THAT THEY WERE POSTED P PHYSICALLY.
AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SENT OUT THROUGH THE INTERNAL, UM, COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WHAT THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE, UM, AND THAT WE WERE, AND THAT YOU ALL WERE CONSIDERING THOSE CHANGES.
AND SO THAT MAY BE THE CONTEXT IN THE BACKGROUND TO THOSE COMMENTS.
IN THE TWO PREVIOUS INSTANCES WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DISCUSSED CHANGING THESE PROMOTIONAL RANKS, WAS THAT JUST POSTED IN BULLETIN BOARD OR WAS IT SENT OUT IN THE WAY YOU SENT OUT NOTICE FOR THIS MEETING, THOSE THINGS WOULD'VE BEEN POSTED ELECTRONICALLY AS WELL.
UM, THE ACTUAL TEXT THEREOF, UM, I I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT ALL OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS WE SEND OUT ELECTRONICALLY AND, AND, AND, AND WE MAKE THAT KNOWN WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND WHAT THIS BODY IS, IS TAKING UP AS A MATTER OF BUSINESS.
AND SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN STILL SENT OUT, UM, IN SIMILAR FASHION, BUT THERE WAS NOT A TRUE TEXT AMENDMENT OR A CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT OR A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT KIND OF WAS SENT OUT AND COMMUNICATED TO EMPLOYEES AS WE SEE TODAY.
AND SO WHEN WE MADE THE, THE VOTE BEFORE TO APPROVE THE CHANGE TO TIMES AND RANK IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN PRELIMINARY APPROVAL TO THOSE CHANGE IN RANKS.
UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME AND SHARED WITH YOU THEIR REQUEST.
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THAT OFF AT YOUR WALL'S DIRECTION AND DID OUR VALIDATION AND CAME BACK AND PROVIDED TO YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION AND YOU ALL SAID, YEP, WE AGREE WITH THAT DIRECTIONALLY.AND SO THAT WAS HOW THAT BECAME FOLDED INTO THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU ALL TODAY.
AND YOU SENT OUT THE NOTICE OF THAT MEETING IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU SENT OUT THE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING? YES, MA'AM.
I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR ANSWERS.
WELL, I HOPE THIS ISN'T A THANK YOU.
I, I DIDN'T, DIDN'T KNOW WHO ELSE WAS.
I HEARD YOU JOHN FIRST, I THINK.
OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I AM PROBABLY THE NEWEST BOARD MEMBER, BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU SENT IT OUT TO, UH, THE EMPLOYEES, DOES THAT MEAN EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY GETS WHAT AN EMAIL OR, I I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE, NOT, NOT THE CHANGES ARE, BUT THE NOTIFICATION THAT THERE ARE CHANGES.
HOW IS THAT DISSEMINATED? SO YES, THANK YOU.
UM, INTERNALLY WE HAVE, UM, THROUGH OUR MARKETING AND INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, UM, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL COMMUNICATION SYSTEM BY WAY WE MAKE EMPLOYEES AWARE OF ANY PERSONNEL POLICY CHANGES, ANY RULE CHANGES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO, UM, WE SENT OUT, UM, UM, THREE NOTICES, I DO BELIEVE TO EMPLOYEES TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, THAT WE, THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, UM, HAD A SET UP REVISED A DRAFT VERSION OF REVISED CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE BOARD.
UM, AND HOW TOBEL THEMSELVES OF EITHER A SUBMITTING WRITTEN COMMENTS, WHICH IS HOW WE GOT TO THE COMPILATION OF THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT ARE, THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AND, UM, OUR NORMAL NOTICE, PUBLIC NOTICE PERIOD OF OUR MEETINGS AND WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND THAT INDIVIDUALS COULD, COULD SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
AND SO WE SEND THAT OUT TO ALL CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES, UM, IN ORDER THAT WE MIGHT UNDERSTAND THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND ANY FEEDBACK THEY HAVE FOR US.
AND SO ALL, ALL EMPLOYEES WERE MADE AWARE OF THAT YOU ALL WERE CONSIDERING THESE CHANGES, UM, AND VERSIONS OF THESE CHANGES EXISTED.
AND THAT'S REALLY AND TRULY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMP, THE, THE COMPILED COMMENTS THAT COME FROM THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE SENT TO ALL EMPLOYEES AND, AND THEY'RE SENT OUT ELECTRONICALLY.
AND HAVE YOU EVER DONE, UH, UH, REVIEW OR, UH, SURVEYORS OF, OF, ARE THERE, ARE THERE EMPLOYEES WHO DO NOT, ARE, DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, TO GETTING, TO GETTING, GETTING EVEN THE NOTIFICATIONS ELECTRONICALLY? WELL, ALL, ALL CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES ARE ASSIGNED AN ELECTRONIC EMAIL ADDRESS.
I THINK, UM, IN PRIOR TIMES, THE REVERSE OF IT WAS WE ONLY POSTED IT PHYSICALLY AND SO IT LEFT OUT A LEFT A LOT OF PEOPLE ELECTRONICALLY.
SO, UM, UM, BUT WE, WE SENT IT OUT TO ALL, TO ALL EMPLOYEES.
BUT AGAIN, NOT EVERY, I MEAN, IT, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? NOT NOT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO, TO, TO A COMPUTER TO, TO GET GETTING INTO A, AN ELECTRONIC NOTIFICATION.
UM, OR HAVE YOU FOUND THAT? NO, ALL YOU KNOW, 99% OF THEM CAN ACCESS IT.
I, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SORT OF STEMMING FROM WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
AND NOT EVERYONE HAS COMPUTERS.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY DO HAVE COMPUTERS WHEN THEY WERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WERE AT HOME.
BUT I HOPE I, I MIGHT MAKING MYSELF CLEAR AS TO WHAT YES, MA'AM.
YOU, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION IS TO THE HEART OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A LARGE PORTION OF OUR EMPLOYEE POPULATION THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO COMPUTERS AND OTHERWISE ARE NOT IN THE LOOP? UM, I BOARD MEMBER SPONSOR, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THE METHOD THAT WE'VE COMMUNICATED REACHED THE MOST NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND MADE THEM AWARE.
AND I THINK WE SEE IT IN THE FEEDBACK AND WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED AND EVEN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS MORNING.
SO I, I, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE GONE THAT DISTANCE TO COMMUNICATE TO ALL EMPLOYEES REGARDLESS OF KIND OF WHERE THEY SIT WITHIN THE CITY.
HAVE YOU EVER GOTTEN COMPLAINTS THAT THEY, THAT THERE ARE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE NOT AWARE BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT ACCESS? WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THOSE THIS MORNING.
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BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M MEAN, IN ALL HONESTY, OUTSIDE OF THAT, NOT, NOT, NOT HIT OR TWO, NO MA'AM.CHANDRA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY.
UM, OH NO, I, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE A QUESTION.
WE APPRECIATE THAT, UH, AS A LOT OF 'EM HAVE SAID, I WAS A 30 YEAR CITY EMPLOYEE AND IF THERE WERE SOME CHANGES WITH CIVIL SERVICE, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE EVER RECEIVED THE CHANGES, BUT I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW PROCESS, CAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE CHANGES SINCE I'VE BEEN THE THOUGHT OF THE CHANGES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD SINCE 2017.
AND SO NOW WE'VE GOT TO FINALLY GOT TO THIS POINT AND WE MADE SOME, SOME, SOME LOT OF CHANGES AND, AND A LOT OF IT WAS JUST CLEANED UP FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S LISTENING.
WE CLEANED UP A LOT OF THINGS.
WE REFERENCED PERSONNEL RULES, WE TOOK A LOT OF THINGS OUT AND WE JUST REALLY STREAMLINED THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND THE RULES, THE D P D DID COME TO US IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 AS FOR THESE PROMOTIONAL CHANGES BECAUSE THE NEED WAS THERE BECAUSE THEY, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE, DON'T COME IN AND, AND IN TWO YEARS YOU CAN PROMOTE TO LIEUTENANT BECAUSE YOU ARE A GOOD TEST TAKER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE ON A JOB.
SO SOME D D P D AND I DON'T KNOW IF D P D IS HERE TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME ISSUES.
AND SO THE MAIN THING I WANNA MAKE A POINT OF IS HOW, IF THE MAIN CHANGES ON HERE, WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT D P D PROMOTIONAL EXAM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WHOEVER ON POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO WORK TO ENSURE THE DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS UNDERSTAND THIS NEW RULE CHANGE.
I THINK WE AS A BOARD, WE APPROVE THEM AND WE, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO, BUT THE COMMUNICATION AND HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT THEIR EMPLOYEES, I'M HOPING THAT THESE DEPARTMENTS WILL TAKE THESE RULE CHANGES AND THEN MAKE SURE THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES ANY CHANGES.
I USED TO DO THAT WHEN I WAS A SUPERVISORS.
ANYTHING CAME IN, I MADE SURE MY EMPLOYEES WERE AWARE OF IT, SO IT WON'T BE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT.
SO POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY'RE LISTENING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU ALL MAKE SURE THAT, AND, AND EXPLAIN TO SOME PEOPLE WHY THESE RULE CHANGES AND PROMOTIONAL CHANGES WERE REQUIRED, UH, AND, AND REQUESTED FOR US AS A BOARD, WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE MADE RULE CHANGES AFTER JARED DID TALK TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.
EVERYBODY, THESE ARE OUR CHANGES RIGHT NOW.
THEY WEREN'T REALLY SIGNIFICANT AS OTHER THAN THE PROMOTIONAL PART.
THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT, BUT THIS IS NEW FOR EVERYBODY.
WE, WE HAVE NOT DONE CIVIL SERVICE RULE CHANGES LIKE THIS, RIGHT.
UH, MR. CHAIR, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN THE WASO.
THIS IS A NEW PROCESS AND HOW IT IS.
AND I, AND I THINK PEOPLE WHO, THEY SEEM LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THESE CHANGES, THAT'S GOOD FOR ME.
I'VE SEEN SOME STUFF ON FACEBOOK THAT PEOPLE WERE LIKE, HEY, THEY'RE MAKING CHANGES TO THE CIVIL SERVICE.
AND I'M LIKE, OH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.
PEOPLE KNOW NOW I'M HOPING THE DEPARTMENTS WILL WORK TO MAKE SURE THEIR EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND HOW THE NEW RULE CHANGES WILL IMPACT THEM.
CUZ WE'VE DONE OUR PART AND AS THE BOARD.
AND SHANNON, I WANNA, I WANT TO ECHO THAT TOO, IS THAT, UH, WE TOOK THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE, PARTICULARLY POLICE AND FIRE ON, ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES.
AND IF, IF THESE GET ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD FOR CONCERNING REVISIONS.
IF, IF THE, IF THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS BELIEVE SOMETHING'S NOT APPROPRIATE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THEIR SHOES WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS BEST FOR THE DEPARTMENT, I'M GONNA PLACE GREAT CREDIBILITY ON THAT
AND THERE'S TO CHANGE THAT, SO BE IT.
I I I, YOU KNOW, I I I'M NOT THE EXPERT IN THERE.
I'VE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD ANECDOTALLY, AGAIN, I'VE NOT DONE SURVEYS OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST FROM, FROM, UH, UH, UH, CONTACTS IS THAT, UH, UH, I'VE HEARD THAT THESE ARE, UH, WERE LONG NEEDED AND ARE ARE, AND, AND PEOPLE I TALKED TO WERE SUPPORTIVE.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST WHO I TALKED TO.
SO I I, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS, SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK ONE QUESTION, AND THIS MAY BE, UH, SOMETHING THIS EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS EXCEPT ME, BUT THE, UM, WHEN THEY COME DOWN AND SPEAK, ESPECIALLY THESE POLICE
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OFFICERS, THEY KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD IS NOT MAKING THESE CHANGES WITHOUT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE D P D.AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO THIS WE'RE NOT THE FINAL SAY GO, IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL TWO.
AND IS THERE SILENCE, IS THERE ANY, OH, I'M SORRY, JOAN DID, I'M SORRY.
WERE YOU FINISHED, JOAN? WELL, I JUST WONDERED IS IS THERE ANY, UH, SYSTEM FOR THEM TO QUIT? WELL, THEY PROBABLY WOULDN'T, BUT QUESTION THE D P D ABOUT THE CHANGES BEFORE THEY COME AND QUESTION US WHEN THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED OR TEMPORARILY APPROVED? NO, UH, I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION.
WELL, UH, IS THERE, ARE THERE, BEFORE THEY COME TO US WITH COMMENTS, IS THERE A, IS IS THERE A FUNCTION THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH TO QUESTION THE D P D ITSELF OR IS IT JUST, JUST WHEN IT GETS TO US FURTHER CHANGES? DID THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE INPUT TO THE DEPARTMENT BEFORE THEY GAVE SOME CONTACT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY? UM, RIGHT.
AND, AND MR. DAVIS, IF YOU'RE HERE, I'LL LET YOU RESPOND TO THAT.
CAUSE YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.
SO HOW, HOW WE VALIDATE, UM, MINIMAL QUALIFICATIONS, WHICH IS REALLY AT THE CORE OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY IS THAT WE LOOK AT WHAT INCUMBENTS, WHAT IT TAKES TO PERFORM THE JOB BENCHMARK AGAINST WHAT OTHER SIMILARLY SIZED ORGANIZATIONS ARE REQUIRING.
UM, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE FIELD, UM, TO JUST MAKE DOUBLY SURE THAT YOU HAVE THAT ABOUT RIGHT.
AND IT'S BASED ON JOB RELATED CRITERIA.
AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YES, THERE WILL BE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE AND WHAT SHOULD NOT BE, UM, BUT ORGANIZATIONALLY, WE LOOK TO THE PROFESSIONALS TO TAKE A BENCHMARK, TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO, TO DO THIS JOB.
AND SO ALL OF THAT IS PARTICIPATORY, BUT IN THE RULE MAKING PROCESS BOARD MEMBER SPONSOR, IF WE LEARN, I THINK TO WHAT SHER WELCH WAS SAYING EARLIER, I THINK WE, WE MAKE TWEAKS TO CHANGES AS AS NECESSARY.
SO IF WE LEARN THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS RIGHT IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I THINK EMPLOYEES DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE DEPARTMENT AWARE OF THAT.
AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT AND, AND US, WE CONTINUE TO REENGAGE IN THAT WORK TO GET THOSE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS RIGHT, AND RELATIVE TO THE JOB.
AND SO, UM, I I KNOW THAT'S A, THAT'S A, THAT MAY BE A LONG WAY AROUND OF SAYING, YES, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN.
UH, BUT, BUT AT, BUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, WE ALSO HAVE TO MAKE DOUBLY SURE THAT IT'S BASED ON, YOU KNOW, MEASURABLE DATA, JOB RELATED DATA, UM, AND EVALUATED FROM A VALIDATION AND THE SCIENTIFIC PERSPECTIVE.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DETERMINING THE, UM, THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE POSITION.
AND I, I, I, I WON'T, THIS WILL BE MY LAST QUESTION, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT THE, FOR INSTANCE, THESE, THE TWO OFFICERS THAT CAME TODAY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR THEM TO COMMENT ON THESE RULE CHANGES QUESTION.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.
AND I'M SUDDENLY LESS EXCITED ABOUT THESE RULES THAN I USED TO BE.
ON THE ONE HAND, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE JUST GETTING THESE COMMENTS TODAY.
WE'VE HAD TWO PREVIOUS HEARINGS AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE THOSE HEARINGS WERE NOTICED TO D P D IN THE SAME WAY AS THIS HEARING.
SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WE'RE JUST GETTING THESE COMMENTS TODAY.
I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU, UM, SHANDRA THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT PUTS THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE TO ASK D P D TO EDUCATE THEIR POLICE OFFICERS ABOUT THESE CHANGES AFTER THE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
AND I WISH THAT THEY HAD DONE THAT WORK BEFORE THEY CAME TO US AND ASKED US TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NO DOUBT THAT THE ONLY REALLY SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO OUR RULES, THE CHANGE THAT'S
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GOING TO AFFECT CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES THE MOST IS THIS PROMOTIONAL RANK THING.THE REST OF THE CHANGES ARE NECESSARY AND, AND ADMINISTRATIVE AND STREAMLINING AND GOOD.
THIS IS A, THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
AND I, FOR ONE WOULD NOT, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD LIKE IT IF D P D COULD ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS WITH THEIR, THEIR MEMBERS BEFORE WE MAKE THE CHANGES.
ALTHOUGH THE, IT MAY BE TOO LATE FOR THAT.
UM, OR AT LEAST ADDRESS THEM BEFORE THIS, THIS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS, THE BOARD APPROVES IT.
THE, I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS CUZ I DO FEEL LIKE THAT THIS IS KIND OF AT THE LAST MINUTE THAT THESE COMMENTS ARE SHOWING UP.
BUT THE FIRST TIME I READ THESE RULES, I THOUGHT, MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS SOMEBODY WHO'D BEEN IN RANK TWO OR THREE YEARS, THIS WOULD REALLY AFFECT ME IN MY CAREER AND HOW WOULD I FEEL ABOUT IT? BUT THEN I TOO TALKED TO POLICE OFFICERS THAT I TRUST AND THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD THING AND, AND NOBODY HAD SHOWED UP TO SAY IT WAS A BAD THING BEFORE THIS.
SO I'M VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS TODAY AND, AND WISHED THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT TO DO THE HARD WORK HERE AND, AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THEIR EMPLOYEES IF, OH, ANGELA, UH, BOER MCCALL'S CONCERNS THE, UM, MY QUESTION IS THE TIME AND DEPARTMENT TIME AND RANK WAS THAT CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS FIVE YEARS AND FIVE, YOU KNOW, THIS EXTENDED 15 YEARS, UM, TO REACH THE, UM, THE LEVEL OF PROMOTION THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE ASPIRING FOR.
SO I JUST HAVE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET THIS RIGHT.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GOING FORWARD AND SAYING, HEY, IT'S CLOSE.
WE HAVE EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT THEY, THEY'RE ONE THING THAT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE, RIGHT? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT RIGHT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, TO ENSURE THAT IS, BUT I ALSO AM FEELING CONCERNED OR, OR HESITANT.
UM, BUT IF, IF I, IF I CAN RESPOND QUICK, JARED, BEFORE, IF I GO FORWARD FIRST, I, WE HAVE, WHAT, 13,000 EMPLOYEES? WE HAVE 80 SOME PERCENT OF THEM COVERED BY CIVIL SERVICE.
WE'VE DONE NOTICE ABOUT, ABOUT THIS.
WE HAD 11 PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED OUT THE ENTIRE CITY WORKFORCE, AT LEAST TO US, WE'VE HAD THREE PEOPLE TO, TO ADDRESS US TODAY.
THE, SO I, I THINK ON THE NOTICE THING, I THINK WE'VE DONE ABOUT A GOOD JOB OF NOTICE AS WE CAN GET.
AND, AND DID SOMEBODY FALL THROUGH THE CRACK CRACKS? I'M SURE WITH 13,000 EMPLOYEES, SOMEONE MAY HAVE FALLEN THROUGH THE CRACKS AND DIDN'T GET NOTICE.
BUT WE, I THINK WE'VE JUST CERTAINLY DONE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, HOW, HOW THE CITY HAS GIVEN NOTICE IN THE PAST.
UH, BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS, IS THAT ARE WE GONNA TELL THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND WE'RE GONNA TELL THE FIRE CHIEF THAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE, FOR THE TIME AND SERVICE THAT WE DISAGREE WITH THEM AND WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT AND RECOMMEND TO THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY GO AGAINST THE, THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE POLICE CHIEF IN MAKING THIS RECOMMENDATION.
SO I AM HESITANT TO DO THAT BASED ON 11 RESPONSES AND THREE PERSONAL COMP, THREE PERSONAL APPEARANCES TODAY.
UM, THERE IS ONE MORE RAIN, ONE MORE STEP HERE, AND THAT IS THE CITY COUNCIL, STEPH.
AND THIS WOULD BE NOTICED AGAIN BY THE COUNCIL, AND EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY WHATEVER THEY WANTED DO.
SO WE'RE TAKING FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE, THE TWO DEPARTMENTS ON THIS.
AND FIRSTLY, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I I I I, I DON'T WANT THE, DON'T WANT PERFECTION TO BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD HERE.
UM, THAT I THINK IF WE, IF WE, IF WE SET UP INTERVIEWS WITH EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE, WE, WE'D GET PEOPLE WHO WOULD CONTEST AND HAVE ISSUES ABOUT A BIT HERE OR A BIT THERE.
AND SO IN, IN MY OPINION, I THINK WE'VE DONE OUR JOB, WE'VE HAD OUR HEARINGS, WE'VE HAD INPUT FROM THE DEPARTMENTS, WE'VE HAD INPUT, UH, ALL CITY EMPLOYEES GOT NOTICE.
WE'VE, I THINK WE'RE COMING FORWARD WITH, WITH THOUGH MAYBE NOT A PERFECT THING THAT EVERYONE IN, IN THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS MAY, MAY AGREE WITH, WHICH I, I WOULDN'T EXPECT UNDER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WENT BACK THE OTHER WAY AND SAY, OKAY, LET'S GO BACK AND PLAY THE OLD WAY, WE'RE NOW GONNA HAVE A CHIEF OF POLICE AND, AND A FIRE CHIEF WHO, WHO WILL DISAGREE WITH US ON THAT.
AND, AND SO I'M INCLINED TO GO WITH, WITH THE, WITH THE, THE KIND OF EXPERTS IN, IN, IN THEIR FIELDS, SAY, IS BEST FOR THEIR DEPARTMENTS.
SO I, I MEAN, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS MORE, BUT I, I,
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I THINK, I THINK WE'VE DONE OUR JOB AND WE, I THINK WE'VE, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AS A BOARD IN BRINGING THESE ISSUES FORWARD.I THINK THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF US AND NOT JUST, NOT JUST POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
AND I THINK THE MERE FACT THAT WE HAVE 11 COMMENTS OUT OF A WORKFORCE OF 13,000, AND, AND AGAIN, I MAY HAVE THAT NUMBER INCORRECT AND ONLY THREE APPEARANCES TODAY, I THINK IT SAYS, SAYS TO ME THAT I THINK WE'VE DONE, WE WE'VE DONE IT RIGHT.
AND, AND JARED, YOU'RE GETTING READY TO SPEAK AND I, I I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING YOU.
UM, I ASK THAT WE BRING IN ASSISTANT CHIEF SHED WHO, UM, HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PERSONNEL, UM, BECAUSE WE ALSO WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THEM.
AND I KNOW THAT THEY UNDERTOOK SOME INTERNAL METHODS TO COMMUNICATE AND VALIDATE AND UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF THESE CHANGES AND HOW IT IMPACT THEIR WORKFORCE.
AND SO I ASKED MS. MANON TO BRING HER INTO THE DISCUSSION.
SO IF SHE COULD PROVIDE, PERHAPS PROVIDE US WITH A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED INTERNALLY BY WAY OF COMMUNICATION AS IT RELATES TO THESE, UM, CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE REALLY, I THINK AT THE HEART OF, OF, OF, OF, OF WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT TODAY.
UM, I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING GOOD MORNING, CHIEF.
I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING SOME IN, IN HAVING SOME SEE YOU CONVERSATION, CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE, UH, CIVIL SERVICE RULE CHANGES THAT WE REQUESTED.
UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME PRETTY WELL? CAN, CAN WE SEE YOU? YES.
YEAH, I, IT'S ON, BUT I DON'T, NOT SURE WHY IT'S BLURRED, BUT IT, IT'S, UH, IT SHOWS THAT IT'S, IT'S WORKING, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BLURRED.
YOUR CAMERA THING MAY BE CLOSED A LITTLE BIT IF YOU'RE ON YOUR YEP.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL INVITING ME INTO THE CONVERSATION.
I'VE BEEN KIND OF JUST LISTENING A COUPLE THINGS.
SO, UH, I HEARD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER WE COMMUNICATED WITH OUR OFFICERS ABOUT, UH, WHY THIS IS NECESSARY FOR US AS A DEPARTMENT.
UH, YES, WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH OUR DEPARTMENT MULTIPLE WAYS THROUGH OUR PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICE.
UH, THE CHIEF, UH, DOES, UH, CHIEF'S UPDATES.
HE DOES VIDEOS, HE DOES, HE TALKS TO THE ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS, ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS GIVE THE MESSAGES TO THE OFFICERS.
UM, AND THE, THE BIG PICTURE FOR US IS THE QUALITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO, WHO ARE, WHO BECOME AS A SENIOR CORPORAL TRAINERS WHO TRAIN NEW ROOKIES, SERGEANTS WHO SUPERVISE PEOPLE IN THE FIELD, UH, OTHERWISE ARE INVESTIGATING BY OPERATIONAL SCENES, AND THEN A LIEUTENANT WHO ACTUALLY BECOMES THE MANAGER.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US THAT THOSE FOLKS HAVE THE TENURE, THE EXPERIENCE THAT THEY NEED AT THOSE RANKS.
ONE OF THE OFFICERS I HEARD MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO WAS AN EIGHT YEAR SERGEANT.
WELL, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC FOR A PERSON TO BE AN EIGHT YEAR SERGEANT AND NOW SUPERVISING OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE, IN THE STREETS THEMSELVES AT ABOUT A THREE YEAR TENURE.
AND SO YOU ARE ONLY FIVE YEARS AHEAD OF THAT PERSON.
AND SO, BIG PICTURE FOR US IS WE ARE HERE TO, AS, AS THE SAYING SAYS, TO PROTECT AND SERVE THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
AND WE ARE NOT DOING THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF QUALITY IF WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS JUST THERE TO OBTAIN THE RANK AND DOES NOT HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND THE QUALITY THAT IS NEEDED FOR THIS DEPARTMENT.
AND SO, UH, THOSE OFFICERS MAY NOT LIKE IT.
UH, AGAIN, I THOUGHT, I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY HERE JUST, UH, A FEW MINUTES AGO MENTIONED THERE ARE, UH, 3000, OVER 3000 OFFICERS ON THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU'VE HEARD COMMENTS FROM TWO OF THEM.
AND THOSE TWO MAINLY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEMSELVES AND HOW THEY OBTAIN A RANK.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THESE OFFICERS OUT, STOP TRYING TO OBTAIN A RANK FOR YOUR INDIVIDUAL PURPOSES, TRY TO OBTAIN A RANK SO YOU CAN DO A BETTER JOB IN QUALITY FOR THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THOSE GUYS.
AND SO, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE HERE, WE DID A LOT OF THINKING AND A LOT IN, IN DEPTH CHANGES BECAUSE WE WANNA CHANGE THE QUALITY OF THIS DEPARTMENT.
CHIEF, BEFORE YOU LEAVE CHIEF, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? WELL, I JUST, I'LL JUST SAY THIS HAS SHOWN THAT I, I, I, REAL, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT EXPLANATION AND, UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO QUAL, IT'S GOING TO QUALITY AND OFFICE 13, AS YOU, AS YOU, AS THE CHIEF SAID, ARE THERE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE NOT TO, UH, OBTAIN A RANK.
MAY I ADD ONE OTHER THING? WHEN WE LOOK AT BIG PICTURE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, YOU'VE ALL HAVE SEEN THAT, UH, THE PERCEPTION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS NOT BEEN GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
AND THAT RIGHT, THAT DIRECTION THAT IT'S GOING IN NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
AND IT'S ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT
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WEAR UNIFORMS ACROSS THIS NATION.AND SO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS, IS THE, IS THE CITY OF DALLAS THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN THE NATION? SO WHEN WE MAKE CHANGES, SO DO OTHER CITIES MAKE CHANGES? SO, AND AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, IT'S TIME TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
OKAY, GOING BACK TO WHERE
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE.
THIS WILL BE IN THE MOTION TO BE, TO ADOPT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.
ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTION, SAY AYE.
OKAY, SO IT PASSES ON A THREE, TWO VOTE.
THAT IS OUR LAST ITEM FOR THE DAY.
UH, JARED, I WANNA MAKE SURE, DID WE, WE COVER EVERYTHING WITH DEPARTMENT UPDATES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS? YES, SIR.
SO THE TIME IS 10 48 AND THIS MEETING WILL BE ADJOURNED.
I WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY, I BELIEVE THAT'S JUNE 27TH, WE HAVE THE, UH, GRIEVANCE APPEAL HEARING, AND JUST REMIND YOU OF THAT FOR YOUR CALENDARS.
SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH AND WE STAND ADJOURNED FOR THE DAY.