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LAURIE,

[Civil Service on June 6, 2023.]

WE READY TO GO? YES, COME.

WE DO.

OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

MORNING.

I'M GONNA START THE MEETING.

UH, TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 6TH, 2023, AND WE'RE CONVENING AT 9:30 AM AND THIS IS FOR THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DALLAS CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

UH, UH, OUR, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA AFTER OUR CALL ORDER WAS PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

AND ANNA, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS? I'M, UH, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MAY 2ND, 2023 REGULAR SERVICE, UH, CIVIL SERVICE BOARD MEETING.

UH, Y'ALL, UH, HAVE GOTTEN A COPY OF THOSE DRAFT MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, REVISIONS, OR CHANGES TO THEM? NONE.

HEARING NONE.

I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE MAY 2ND, 2023 REGULAR CIVIL SERVICE BOARD MEETING.

OKAY.

AND, UH, A MOTION BY MS. MOZER BY JOAN.

A SECOND.

BY A SECOND.

WHO, UH, ANGELA KOTAK.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, TODAY WE HAVE TWO HEARING ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA.

THE FIRST IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE CURRENT CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

LET ME ASK FIRST IF, UH, ANNA, IF WE HAVE ANYONE WHO IS EITHER ONLINE OR HAS SUBMITTED, UH, A REQUEST TO APPEAR TODAY? UH, NO.

WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY REQUESTS HERE.

OKAY.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE ONLINE.

SO, UH, UH, AGAIN, I GUESS THERE'S, WE, WE HAD OUR PUBLIC HEARING AND WITH NO ONE WANTING TO SPEAK, I WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, AND YOU HAVE SOME YES.

YOU HAVE SOME ATTENDEES AT, AT THE HEARING, I MEAN, AT THE MEETING.

WE HAVE SOME ATTENDEES.

WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.

NO, NO.

IT'S JUST THEY JUST OBSERVING THE MEETING.

OBSERVING THE MEETING.

I'M, I'M SORRY.

I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE MEETING.

I THINK YOU'RE LOGGED TWICE.

WE ALREADY START.

IS THERE A PROBLEM? DID WE START THE MEETING BEFORE YOU STARTED RECORDING? GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

I THINK I WAS, THANK YOU.

UH, BOARD MEMBER KUK.

I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, I WAS LOGGED IN TWICE.

THANK YOU.

UM, I, UH, MR. CHAIR, MS. MAZZONE IS ATTEMPTING TO COMMUNICATE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC, UM, REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKERS THIS MORNING.

UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, ATTENDEES THAT ARE IN THE LISTENING GALLERY, UM, ATTENDING THIS MORNING.

UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO IS DESIRED TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME.

OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I'M SORRY WE WE'RE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY WITH THE COMPUTER IN THIS CONFERENCE ROOM AS WE, AS WE ALWAYS DO.

YEAH.

I THINK ALSO I WANT IT TO BE LOGGED IN TWICE, I THINK.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

BUT WE HAVE NO ONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME ON THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND WE'LL HAVE SOME, AN ACTION ITEM LATER ON.

AND SO, I'LL, AGAIN, I'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON COMMENTS REGARDING THE REVISIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES.

OUR NEXT ITEM, OUR AGENDA, AGENDA IS A PUB, IS A HEARING, THE REHIRE ELIGIBILITY APPEAL HEARING OF MR. MARK CALHOUN, A FORMER EMPLOYEE IN THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES DEPARTMENT.

UH, GOOD MORNING, MR. CALHOUN.

I SEE YOU ON THE SCREEN.

UH, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.

AND, UH, WHAT, UH, WE, WE, THIS IS AN INFORMAL, UH, FORMAT, MR. CAL.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TODAY IS WE HAVE A, A PACK OF MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN, HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO US, UH, BY THE CITY.

AND, UH, IT HAS THE DOCUMENTATION YOU'VE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.

AND, UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FIRST, IT'S GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION HOWEVER YOU WISH ABOUT WHY YOU BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REHIRE WITH THE CITY.

UH, AND AFTER WE HEAR FROM YOU, THE BOARD WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU AND ANYBODY CAN ASK QUESTIONS.

AND, UH, AFTER THE, THE BOARD HAS HAD, HAS HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, WE'LL THEN, UH, CONSIDER ACTION ON YOUR REQUEST.

SO, MR. CALHOUN, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU, UH, TO

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SAY, UH, WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO THE BOARD ABOUT WHY YOU'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED FOR REHIRE WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO, MR. CALHOUN, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS, UH, YOUR TURN DOWN, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

HEY, MORNING EVERYBODY.

GOOD MORNING.

UH, BASICALLY, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING, UH, WELL, MY NAME IS MARK HOLMES.

I WAS EMPLOYED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UH, I BELIEVE ROUGHLY SEVEN TO EIGHT YEARS I'VE LEARNED, I LEARNED A LOT, WHICH WAS, UH, WHICH AT THE TIME OF MY DEPARTURE, I WAS ABLE TO GET ANOTHER JOB AT ANOTHER CITY AND, UM, AND GROW AND GET MY LICENSES AND LEARN AND GROW.

BUT BASICALLY, UM, I STARTED AT THE, I STARTED WITH THE CITY OF VALLEY AT A YOUNG AGE.

SO I DID MAKE A COUPLE OF MISTAKES, WHICH LED THROUGH MY, UH, I DO BELIEVE AS I'VE GROWN, I'VE LEARNED TO OVERCOME THOSE MISTAKES AND MANAGE THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE BETTER.

OKAY.

ANY, ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. CALHOUN? IF, IF NOT, I'M GONNA ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS, DO THEY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU? BUT DOES THAT CONCLUDE WHAT, WHAT YOU WISH TO SAY, UM, AT THIS TIME? I BELIEVE SO.

UH, I REALLY DID ENJOY WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND THE PEOPLE.

IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO COME BACK.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CALHOUN.

UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, SIR, WE'RE GONNA TURN OVER TO QUESTIONS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

AND I WILL JUST BOARD ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. CALHOUN? MR. CALHOUN, THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE AFTER YOU LEFT THE CITY OF DALLAS, YOU WORKED FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO.

IS THAT ACCURATE? YES, MA'AM.

WHAT WERE YOU DOING FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO? UH, I STARTED AS A REGULAR, AS A REGULAR MAINTENANCE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS CALLED A MAINTENANCE WORKER.

UH, I BELIEVE I DID THAT MY FIRST COUPLE OF GIRLS, MY FIRST TWO TO THREE GIRLS.

AND THEN, UH, I WAS ABLE TO, I WAS ABLE TO LICENSES AND, UM, WHEN I LEFT, I WAS A SUPERVISOR.

AND WHY DID YOU LEAVE THE CITY OF DESOTO? UH, I WAS READY FOR READY, THE CITY OF SOTO.

IT WAS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER FROM THE HOUSE, AND I AM LIKE, I AM A SINGLE PARENT, SO I HAVE CUSTODY OF MY KIDS, AND THEY WAS GOING TO SCHOOL IN ANOTHER DISTRICT, SO IT WAS LIKE A CONFLICT.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD CUSTODY OF YOUR CHILDREN? I, I'M SORRY.

HOW LONG HAVE YOU HAD CUSTODY OF YOUR CHILDREN? UM, I'VE HAD CUSTODY OF MY CHILDREN.

I FIRST GAINED CUSTODY OF MY CHILDREN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS COUNTY, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE, AROUND MY FIRST OR SECOND YEAR.

I WAS GOING THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, OF GETTING CUSTODY WITH THEM, UH, OF THEM WITH CPS PS.

SO I'VE HAD THEM FOR A WHILE.

AND HOW OLD ARE YOUR CHILDREN NOW? THEY'RE 15 AND 13.

UM, DO YOU STILL HANG AROUND WITH THE SAME PEOPLE YOU WERE HANGING AROUND WITH IN 2015 WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN YOU WERE LET GO FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS? OH, NO, MA'AM.

I DON'T REALLY HANG AROUND TOO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.

UH, I STARTED COACHING LITTLE LEAGUE FOOTBALL, SO THAT REALLY TAKES THE MOST OF MY FREE TIME.

AND DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF YOU WERE HIRED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE ANY TROUBLE PASSING RANDOM DRUG TESTS IN THE FUTURE? NO, MA'AM.

I DON'T, I DON'T FEEL THERE'S A PROBLEM AT ALL.

I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MS. COLE.

UH, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. CALHOUN? I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, UH, THE FIRST QUESTION IS THE, THE, IN 2015 I, AND I, I RECOGNIZE THAT'S BEEN ALMOST EIGHT YEARS AGO SINCE YOU LEFT THE CITY.

UM, THERE WAS A RANDOM DRUG TEST AND YOU, YOU FAILED THAT.

I WANT TO KNOW, I WANT TO ASK YOU, CAN WE EXPECT THAT NOT TO BE AN ISSUE? SHOULD YOU BE REHIRED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS? YES, I BELIEVE SO.

UM, EXCUSE ME.

I SAID I, I'VE OVERCOME, I'VE OVERCOME THAT SETBACK.

SO, UH, I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY AND EVERY RANDOM DRUG TEST, UH, AVAILABLE TO PASS AT THIS POINT.

AND DID YOU DO RANDOM DRUG TESTING WHILE YOU WERE AT THE CITY OF DESOTO? YES.

AND DID YOU FAIL ANY OF THOSE? NO, SIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND, AND I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF, IF I SEE YOUR DATE OF

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SEPARATION WITH DESOTO WAS, UH, APRIL 6TH OF THIS YEAR.

DO YOU HAVE OTHER EMPLOYMENT LINED UP AT THE MOMENT, OR, OR ARE YOU JUST CURRENTLY UNEMPLOYED? WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATUS? WELL, CURRENTLY I AM UNEMPLOYED.

I DID A, UH, I DID AN INTERVIEW WITH THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE, I BELIEVE, A WEEK AGO.

AND, UH, I APPLIED FOR THE CITY OF GRAND PERRY.

AND I THINK ARLINGTON, I KNOW I APPLIED FOR ONE MORE.

UH, I THINK I DID THOSE LIKE MAYBE TWO, THREE, MAYBE.

UH, I BELIEVE LIKE SATURDAY NIGHT I APPLIED ON THE GOVERNMENT, UH, JOBS.COM WEBSITE.

OKAY.

HAVE YOU HAD, HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY RESPONSES FROM THOSE OTHER CITIES WHERE YOU APPLIED IN TERMS OF BEING, BEING ELIGIBLE FOR HIRE OR BEING REQUESTED TO HIRE ON? I, ONLY ONE.

I HAVE, ONLY ONE I HAD CHECKED ON WAS THE CITY OF LOUISVILLE.

UM, I HAVEN'T EVEN CHECKED MY EMAILS ACTUALLY.

LIKE MY PHONE IS, I, I ACTUALLY BROKE MY PHONE, SO I WAS TRYING TO LOG INTO THE MEETING ON MY COMPUTER, BUT I COULDN'T GET IT.

SO I'M ON MY PHONE AND IT'S BROKE.

I CAN'T SEE TOO, TOO WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I HAVE TO HOLD IT UP TO MY EAR CAUSE IT'S A LITTLE LOW.

BUT I HAVE TO CHECK MY EMAILS TO SEE IF, UH, I HAVE GOT ANY REPLIES BACK FROM THOSE OTHER CITIES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU MR. CALHOUN.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD QUESTION? UM, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

UM, WHAT, WHERE, WHERE DO YOU CURRENTLY RESIDE? WHAT CURRENTLY I STAY IN DALLAS.

I STAY, UM, I STAY LIKE MAYBE FIVE, SIX MINUTES FROM THE DALLAS ZOO.

I ONLY ASK BECAUSE I KNOW YOU MENTIONED DISTANCE AS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU LEFT YOUR JOB, UM, WITH THE SOTO IN LOUISVILLE AND SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES ARE EQUALLY OR EVEN FURTHER.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

MM-HMM.

, WELL, YEAH, UH, SOLO AND ALSO, CAUSE AT FIRST I DID HAVE MY KIDS GOING TO THE SCHOOL OUT THERE, BUT, UH, I WOULD SAY IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T IN MY BEST INTEREST TO KEEP THEM IN THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO I END UP TRANSFERRING THEM FIRST TO PICK THEM OUT OF THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I TRANSFERRED THEM BACK TO DALLAS, I S D, AND THEN, UH, I WAS TRYING TO RELOCATE MYSELF TO BE CLOSER AROUND THE AREA.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS? MR. COHEN? IS THERE ANYTHING, OH, I, I'M SORRY, JOAN, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I KNOW THESE GOT APPLICATIONS OUT, BUT I'M JUST ASSUMING FROM THE CONVERSATION THAT DALLAS WOULD BE HIS FIRST CHOICE.

CORRECT.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO WAIT FOR THE, I WAS TRYING TO WAIT FOR THE MEETING BEFORE, UH, YOU KNOW, I REALLY APPLIED AND, AND, UH, EVEN ACCEPTED ANY OTHER JOBS FOR ME TO CITIES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CAHOUN.

ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? OKAY.

HEARING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, IT'D BE TIME FOR A MOTION.

IF SOMEONE WISHES TO MAKE A MOTION CHAIR, UH, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, VOTE TO, UM, TO APPROVE MR. CALVIN'S, UH, APPEAL FOR THE RIGHT TO APPLY TO DALLAS, THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I'LL SECOND.

OKAY.

THANK, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. COLE AND A SECOND BY MS. S MOZER.

UH, JOAN, I GOT THAT CORRECT.

THAT WAS YOU WHO MADE THE SECOND? YES.

YES.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? OKAY, HEARING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE OR SI RAISE YOUR HAND.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.

THAT PASSES SIX TO ZERO.

MR. CAL CALHOUN, CONGRATULATIONS.

AND, UH, SOMEONE FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT WILL BE IN CONTACT WITH YOU ABOUT REAPPLYING BY THE, A REAPPLICATION PROCESS OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

OKAY.

UH, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.

YES, SIR.

I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HELP ME WITH THIS, BUT, UH, MY LOG IN, LIKE, UM, I WAS SUPPOSED TO, I WAS SUPPOSED TO SOMEHOW LIKE, LOG IN TO RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF PAPERWORK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESET THAT OR, OR HOW DO I DO THAT? WELL, LET, LET ME SUGGEST THIS.

IF, UM, WE HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION AND I, WE WILL ASK, UM, SOMEONE FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE DEPARTMENT TO GIVE YOU A

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CALL, DISCUSS THAT WITH YOU.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

CAUSE I NOTICED ON THE, UM, ON THE, ON THE PAPER THAT I DID RECEIVE WHEN I DID, IT HAD LIKE, I THINK IT HAD LIKE AN OLD ADDRESS AND AN OLD PHONE NUMBER.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WAS LIKE, DID YOU HAVE THE RIGHT ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER, MS. MR. CALHOUN? THE SAME, THE SAME.

UM, MS. MANONE WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU FOLLOWING, UM, THE BOARD'S ACTION TODAY TO ADVISE YOU ON HOW TO PERFECT AND MAKE THE APPLICATION WITH THE CITY.

AND I THINK IN SO DOING IT WILL CURE, UH, ANY ADMINISTRATIVE CONCERNS YOU STILL HAVE REMAINING.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. CALHOUN.

OKAY.

HAVE A GOOD DAY.

GOOD LUCK.

BYE-BYE.

OKAY, OUR NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TODAY ARE BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION ITEMS, UH, FROM JARED.

THE FIRST ONE IS A CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD REVISION UPDATE.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR.

IF I CAN SAY ONE QUICK, MR. CAHOUN, IF YOU WANNA LEAVE, THAT'S OKAY.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY, STAY IN THE MEETING, BUT, BUT WE'RE DONE WITH YOUR PART OF IT.

IF YOU WISH TO GO ABOUT YOUR BUSINESS TODAY, WHATEVER YOU WISH TO DO.

OKAY, MR. DAVIS, I'LL TURN THAT OVER TO YOU.

YES, MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, UM, UM, THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS MORNING.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UM, WORKING TO BRING TO YOU TODAY FOR YOUR ACTION, OUR, A REVISED CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE, UM, BOARD.

UM, AND SO WE'VE REVISED THOSE RULES, WE'VE WORKED THROUGH MANY OF THOSE CHANGES.

I WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT AND MAKE THE ENTIRE BOARD OF WHERE I KNOW YOU ALL ARE AWARE BECAUSE YOU'VE RECEIVED YOUR BOARD MATERIAL.

UM, WE COMPILED ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO YOU ALL.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD EXACTLY WHO WROTE US THE ACTUAL TEXT OF THEIR COMMENTS, WHAT DEPARTMENTS THEY REPRESENTED, AND WHAT RULE OR OR COMMENT THEY HAD AN OPINION ON.

AND SO YOU ALL RECEIVED ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS THAT WERE DUE TO US BY POST BUSINESS ON, ON MAY 31ST.

UM, WE ALSO, IN THE POSTING OF THIS AGENDA OPENED UP, UM, WE SENT OUT INTERNALLY TO THE CITY ON TWO, UM, TWO OCCASIONS, INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES ABOUT OUR RULE REVISIONS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND INSPECT THOSE CHANGES AND, AND ANY RELATED INFORMATION CONNECTED TO THE CHANGES THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING TODAY.

AND THAT ANY REGISTERED PUBLIC SPEAKER WHO WANTED TO SPEAK HEAD INTO 12, UH, ON, UH, UM, UNTIL 12:00 PM ON FRIDAY, JUNE 12TH TO LET US KNOW.

AND SO WE HA WE DON'T HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS TO THAT REGARD.

YOU HAVE ALL THE COMMENTS HERE.

UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT I, I SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.

UM, AND THAT'S THE, THE PRIMARY UPDATE AS IT RELATES TO OUR REVISED CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS.

AND WE STILL ARE PLANNING TO MOVE FORWARD TO A JUNE, UM, CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE WE ARE TO ADOPT THESE BY RESOLUTION.

UM, AND SO I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT PROCESS.

I THINK ALL OF THE MATERIAL CHANGES, WE'VE BRIEFED THEM OUT TO YOU ALL.

UM, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

JARED, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UM, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, BEAT THIS DRUM NOW, MULTIPLE MEETINGS.

AND, AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING AND, AND FOR THE, THE, UH, PROCESSES YOU WENT THROUGH WITH THE CITY TO GIVE OUT NOTICES AND, AND, AND COMMENTS, ET CETERA.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

BOARD MEMBERS, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JARED OR WE CAN WE'LL MOVE ON THE NEXT ITEM IF THEY'RE NOT YES.

HANDER.

YEAH, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE CHAT THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

SO, UH, IS IS HONOR, IS, IS SHE ADDRESSING THIS, THE ISSUES WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE CHAT NOW? MADAM VICE CHAIR? UM, AND IF I MAY RESPOND, UM, YES.

UM, SHE IS, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO RESPOND.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE DIALOGUE IS THE QUESTION ABOUT A DESIRE FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS TO, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS WANNA MAKE SURE, NUMBER ONE, THAT THE COMMENTS ARE SUBMITTED TO YOU AS A BOARD.

AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I REAFFIRMED TO THE ENTIRE GROUP THAT ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY MAY 31ST, UM, WERE COMPILED AND SENT TO YOU ALL.

THE SECOND COMPONENT, UM, VICE, UM, UH, CHAIR, UH, MARSHALL HENSON IS THAT IN OUR, AND FOR EVERY MEETING THAT WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE, UM, FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

AND THAT WAS AT 12:00 PM ON, ON, ON ON JUNE 2ND.

OKAY.

CHANDRA AND, AND JARED, I MAY ASK THIS QUESTION.

WOULD ANYONE HAVE ANY OBJECTION IF ON THE MINUTES FOR TODAY'S MEETING, WHEN THOSE GET PREPARED, THAT WE ATTACH THE, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED? UH, SO WE'D

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HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE RECORD.

WOULD ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTION? I KNOW THE MINUTES WON'T BE APPROVED TILL NEXT MONTH, BUT, BUT, UH, OR ACTUALLY IT MAY NOT BE UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING, I GUESS, CUZ THIS JULY WILL BE OFF.

BUT WOULD ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECT IF NO ONE HAS THE OBJECTION TO THAT? I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE ATTACH THOSE COMMENTS.

SO WE DO HAVE A RECORD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS WERE MADE.

NONE OF THOSE BEEN REVIEWED, SO, SO NO ONE HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER WE RECEIVED THOSE OR NOT.

OKAY.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT? SO, EXCELLENT IDEA AND, AND, AND MAYBE A NOTE TO SAY THAT WE HAD 23 ATTENDEES IN THE, IN THE ROOM OR SOMETHING.

CUZ I, I MEAN, I, I FEEL PEOPLE WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE BEEN HEARD AND, AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.

I HATE THAT THEY DIDN'T SIGN UP IN TIME TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT WE DID GET THEIR COMMENTS.

WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE HERE IN ATTENDANCE AS ATTENDEES.

SO MAYBE SOME KIND OF NOTICES TO SAY DO THAT PLUS, UH, MAYBE JUST RECOGNIZE THAT WE DID HAVE ATTENDEES HERE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING REFLECT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE ON MY SCREEN I CAN'T SEE ANY, ANY CHATS AT ALL.

SO I JUST, IT'S SEE ALL THE ATTENDEES.

YEAH, YOU CAN TOUCH THE TOP, UH, CHAIR TO, TO VIEW THE CHAT ON THE SIDE.

I WASN'T WATCHING IT PREVIOUSLY EITHER.

UH, SO I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING OKAY.

TO OUR ATTENTION.

WE, AND WE JUST WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DO, WE, WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY MAKING THOSE COMMENT, MAKING COMMENTS COMING IN HERE FOR THE MEETING CUZ IT IS IMPORTANT AND WE ARE TAKING THOSE THINGS INTO IT'S CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

THE NEXT ITEM ON, THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE.

HOLD ON.

OHLA, PLEASE.

OH, SURE ENOUGH.

DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO HEAR THE PEOPLE THAT WANNA SPEAK OUTSIDE OF THIS DEADLINE, THIS ARBITRARY DEADLINE? OR DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUSH THIS HEARING AND SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK? I, I, WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS MANY ATTENDEES AT A MEETING.

I HATE TO NOT LET 'EM SPEAK.

I WOULD SECOND TO THAT REQUEST TO MAYBE ADDRESS THIS FURTHER.

UM, I DON'T WANNA, UM, HAVE, UM, MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC DIRECT KNOWLEDGE.

THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADD AND, AND MAKE A, A POOR, POOR, VERY IMPORTANT, UM, UM, RECOMMENDATION.

SO I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

I I I HAVE NO, NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH REOPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM.

I, I WASN'T AWARE THAT PEOPLE WERE LINE WHO WANTED TO SPEAK OR, OR ON, ON THE CHAT ROOM OR WHATEVER.

AND, UM, JARED, LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

IF SOMEONE WANTED TO SPEAK, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WOULD NUMBER, WOULD THEY CALL, WHO WOULD THEY CONTACTED IF WE COULD LISTEN TO? I'LL LISTEN TO ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK.

IF THERE ARE 23 PEOPLE WHO WANNA SPEAK, I'M HAPPY TO LISTEN TO THEM ALL.

UH, HOWEVER MANY, I JUST NOT.

WHAT IS, CAN YOU TELL US THE PROCESS FOR SOMEONE WHO IS IN THERE WHO WANTS TO CALL IN AND SPEAK? I MEAN, I, YES.

I'LL BE HAPPY REOPEN FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SURE.

LET, LET ME JUST, IF YOU JUST ALLOW ME ONE MOMENT TO CHECK WITH ANNA TECHNICALLY TO SEE HOW WE CAN FACILITATE THAT.

I KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, AND I I'M WITH YOU.

I, I DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE CAN HEAR FROM EVERYONE HERE.

ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WHEN WE POST THE MEETING, WE, WE GIVE THE DEADLINE TO KIND OF WORK OUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO, BUT, BUT LET ME JUST DOUBLE CHECK IT FOR A MOMENT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO, TO FACILITATE THAT.

I JUST BE BACK.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

I SAW SOMEONE'S NOTE THAT IT WAS A HOLIDAY, SO THAT MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, BEEN A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO SOME OF THEM GETTING BACK IN TIME IF IT WAS JUST THE, I I'M NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT NOTICE THEY WERE GIVEN THAT, UM, FIGURE OUT SOME LOGISTICS.

WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY I CAN'T SEE YOU CHAT AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW .

ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIR, WE, WE RECOGNIZE FROM THE CUMMINS IN THE CHAT THAT I'M, I'M SEEING APPROXIMATELY THREE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO SPEAK.

I HAVE HONOR, WE'VE RECOGNIZED THOSE INDIVIDUALS AS MR. ZACHARY KESNER, MELISSA THOMPSON, AND, UH, MR. C MORRIS.

SO WE'RE GONNA ATTEMPT TO MOVE THEM INTO THE LIVE,

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UH, INTO, INTO, OKAY.

INTO THE VENUE WHERE THEY CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, STARTING WITH MR. KESNER IS YOUR FIRST PUBLIC SPEAKER, MR. CHAIR, WHAT WAS THE NAME? ZACHARY PETZNER.

AND I MAY BE MISPRONOUNCING, AND I DO APOLOGIZE.

KATE.

N E T Z E R.

OKAY.

MR. MR. NETZER CANER.

IF I, OR IF I'M SORRY IF I MISPRONOUNCE THAT WE CAN SEE YOU AND WE GONNA GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND AGAIN, BOARD WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I'M GONNA REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I, I ASSUME THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

OKAY.

SO SIR, GO AHEAD AND PLEASE MAKE YOUR COMMENTS.

WE, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME.

UM, I, YES, THE BOARD OPENING THE, THE FLOOR FOR US.

UM, I'LL SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF.

UH, MY NAME'S ZACHARY NETZER.

I'M A POLICE OFFICER FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR ALMOST EIGHT YEARS.

AND WHEN I DID RECEIVE THE EMAIL FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD CHANGES, I WAS VERY SURPRISED.

CAUSE I HADN'T SEEN AN EMAIL QUITE LIKE THAT.

UH, IT LOOKED VERY PROFESSIONAL.

I HAD LINKS AND INSTRUCTIONS.

UM, AND ON MY ALMOST EIGHT YEARS, I HADN'T QUITE SEEN THE EMAIL FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE REPORT.

AND SO THERE, I DID FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO GO DOWN TO IN PERSON TO REVIEW THE CHANGES AND, UH, NOTICED THAT THE CHANGES WERE FOR ESSENTIALLY, UH, TIME IN GRADE CIVIL SERVICE CHANGES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND, UH, IT SEEMED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRST COUPLE RANKS FROM, UH, PO TO CORPORAL, CORPORAL TO SERGEANT AND THEN SERGEANT TO LIEUTENANT, IT SEEMS THAT, UH, THE, THE CHANGES WERE PRETTY DRASTIC FROM WHAT THEY WERE, UH, ESSENTIALLY A YEAR, UH, TIME AND GRADE TO BE PROMOTED FOR CORPORAL TO SERGEANT.

AND THEN SERGEANT TWO LIEUTENANT, UH, WAS PROBABLY A, A A LITTLE TOO SHORT IN TIME.

AND I THINK THE DEPARTMENT CERTAINLY AGREED WITH THAT.

UH, BUT FIVE YEARS SEEMS REALLY DRACONIAN.

UH, IF, IF AN OFFICER WERE TO KIND OF GAUGE ON HOW THEIR CAREER WAS GONNA GO, UM, IT IT IT WOULD BE ALMOST A MINIMUM OF 15 YEARS BEFORE THEY SAW, UH, LIEUTENANT.

AND I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR AN EASY RETIREMENT, BUT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, A LONG-TENURED, UH, TIME AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UH, IT'S GENERALLY PRETTY RARE THAT YOU SEE AN OFFICER HIT 30 YEARS.

AND SO MAKING A REQUIREMENT FOR AN OFFICER TO, TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HIGHER SALARY CAPS AT 15 YEARS IS, UH, I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY ROUGH.

AND THE DEPARTMENT IS ALREADY REELING FROM RECRUITING AND RETENTION, AND I, IT, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO WANT TO STAY HERE.

UM, BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT, THEY, THEY, THE, THE FREQUENCY OF THE, THE PROMOTIONAL TESTINGS AT EVERY LEVEL, UM, ISN'T AS FREQUENT AS IN, IN MY OPINION, THAN IT SHOULD BE.

AND WITH AN ADDED LAYER OF FIVE, ALMOST FIVE YEARS THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE TIME AND GRADE BEFORE YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD, UM, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD FOR AN OFFICER TO, TO MOVE IN THEIR CAREER AND KIND OF JOCKEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN A TEST IS COMING OR, OR WHEN IT'S NOT.

AND A LOT OF THEM ARE GONNA GET LOCKED OUT FROM WANTING TO BE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, IT'S REALLY, THESE CHANGES ARE RESEMBLING WHAT A SMALLER AGENCY DOES, WHICH IS, UH, RESTRICTING PROMOTIONS, RESTRICTING TRANSFERS, AND RESTRICTING BIDS, UH, PROMOTIONS AND, AND TRANSFERS ARE, UH, BIDS AND TRANSFERS AREN'T REALLY IN YOUR GUYS' WHEELHOUSE, BUT PROMOTIONS CERTAINLY ARE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REASONS TO COME TO A LARGE AGENCY IS TO HAVE MORE UNRESTRICTED PROMOTIONS.

AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE BOARD IS GONNA CONSIDER TODAY, IS TO HAVE VERY RESTRICTED PROMOTIONS.

UH, AND I I, I DON'T WANNA SEEM ADVERSARIAL, UM, BUT IT, IT, THIS IS REALLY GONNA AFFECT MY CAREER HERE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

AND, AND TO BE HONEST, I'M HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS AND I KNOW WHAT A LOT OF OFFICERS ARE IF THESE CHANGES WERE TO GO THROUGH.

SO I, I THANK THE BOARD FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING A DIFFERENT AVENUE FOR, FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TODAY.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU, OFFICER NESTER.

AND FIRST, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND WE, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS TODAY.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS.

I'LL MAKE A, BEFORE WE GO TO THE NEXT PERSON, I MEAN, DO, CAN WE AS A PUBLIC HEARING PUT LIMITS ON THE TIMES? NORMALLY, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE SPEAK AT COUNCIL MEETINGS, THERE'S CERTAIN, UM, TIME LIMITS.

THANK YOU VICE.

OKAY.

I'M SURE.

CAN WE THAT AND MAYBE HONOR, I MEAN, NOT THANK YOU MR. UH, ZACH OR YOU, YOU DIDN'T GO OVER A LONG TIME, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LIMITS JUST IN CASE WE GONNA

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HAVE LIKE TWO MORE SPEAKERS, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.

BY SURE.

AND THEN ALSO COULD THEY SAY THEIR NAME, THEIR RANK, AND HOW MANY YEARS THEY'VE BEEN WITH THE, THE CITY, WHICH WOULD HELP ME A LOT AS WELL.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, YES, AND OUR PUBLIC HEARING, UM, OUR PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT PERIOD IS, IS IS A TWO MINUTE PERIOD, IF, IF, IF, IF, IF MY, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT.

AND SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT AS WE LISTEN TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER, WHO IS MS. THOMPSON, THAT SHE COULD PROVIDE HER HER NAME, UM, THE DEPARTMENT AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME SHE'S BEEN IN THE DEPARTMENT.

AND I SEE BOARD MEMBER KOTEX.

YES.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS.

I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK, UH, BRIEF ANY QUESTIONS OF THE SPEAKERS? OKAY.

YEAH.

THIS IS JUST FOR PERIOD COMMENT.

I JUST WAS CURIOUS AND WE, WE'LL HAVE AN ACTION ITEM AND WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

AGAIN, OFFICER ANSWERER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. DAVIS.

THE NEXT SPEAKER, IS IT MELISSA THOMPSON.

MS. THOMPSON, UM, I SEE YOU IN THE, IN THE MEETING, AND IF YOU COULD TURN YOUR CAMERA ON AND GIVE US AND, AND COME OFF OF MUTE AND GIVE US YOUR, YOUR NAME, DEPARTMENT AND, AND, AND TIME AND POSITION BEFORE YOU BEGIN YOUR TWO MINUTES.

UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

NAME IS MELISSA PA THOMPSON.

I'M SORRY, MY CAMERA, UH, IS NOT AVAILABLE TO ME AT THIS TIME.

I AM A SUPERVISOR IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 28 YEARS.

UM, LIKE ZACHARY, MY 28 YEARS, I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN EMAIL LIKE THE ONE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM CIVIL SERVICE.

AND IT GAVE ME CALLS FOR CONCERN ABOUT CHANGES BEING MADE.

AND I, I'M JUST RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING, UH, BOARD WITH US FOR GIVING US ADDITIONAL TIME TO REVIEW THE CHANGES.

I WAS TOLD WHEN I CALLED ABOUT REVIEWING THE CHANGES THAT I WOULD HAVE TO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL AND READ OVER THE OLD AND THE NEW, AND IN THE POSITION I'M IN, THAT'S HARD FOR ME TO DO.

I'M NOT LOCATED AT CITY HALL.

AND AGAIN, IT WAS A HOLIDAY, UH, WEEK AND I WAS OFF FOR FOUR DAYS.

UM, SO LIKE I SAID, IT, IT WAS A SHORT TIMEFRAME TO BE REVIEWED, AND I'M DISRESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD CONSIDER ADDITIONAL TIME, UH, FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE CHANGES.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MS. THOMPSON.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR COMMENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS.

OUR NEXT, UH, YES.

UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. MORRIS.

MR. C MORRIS.

MR. MORRIS, IF YOU COULD, UM, TURN YOUR CAMERA ON AND, AND, AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

I MAKE THIS BIGGER.

I, I'M SORRY.

CAR.

I'M TRYING TO, OKAY.

CAN Y'ALL SEE ME HEAR ME? I DON'T SEE HIM.

YES.

YES WE CAN.

MR. THANK YOU.

OKAY.

OKAY.

HELLO.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

EVERY MORNING.

I'M SORRY.

UH, I'M OFFICER MORRIS.

I'VE BEEN WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UH, GOING ON NINE YEARS.

UM, I'M A SENIOR CORPORAL, UH, CURRENTLY ASSIGNED TO PATROL ON SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT.

UM, MY, MY, UH, ISSUE, OR, OR WHAT I'M FEELING IS, IS, UH, THIS REQUEST TO CHANGE THE TIME AND RANK, KIND OF LIKE WHAT ZACHARY TALKED ABOUT, UH, FIVE YEARS AS A SENIOR CORPORAL TO PROMOTE TO THE RANK OF SERGEANT FIVE YEARS AS A SERGEANT BEFORE YOU CAN PROMOTE TO THE RANK OF LIEUTENANT.

UH, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THERE'S A HUGE GROUP OF OFFICERS, UH, LIKE MYSELF, WHO WE WERE THE CUTOFF CLASS FOR THE LAST CIVIL SERVICE TEST.

MY CLASS, THE CLASS BEFORE ME, THE CLASS AFTER ME, AND SO ON.

THERE'S A, THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS WHO WERE THE CUTOFF FOR THE LAST CIVIL SERVICE TEST.

SO ME, I HAD TO STUDY REALLY HARD AND PROMOTE, UH, IMMEDIATELY.

I'VE ONLY BEEN A CORPORAL.

I HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN A CORPORAL A YEAR, UM, BECAUSE I WAS THAT CUTOFF CLASS, SO I HAD TO WAIT UNTIL SEVEN AND A HALF, EIGHT YEARS OF MAKING SENIOR CORPORAL.

THAT WAS THE FIRST TEST THAT I WAS ELIGIBLE FOR.

UH, BUT PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THE ACADEMY WITH ME, COUPLE CLASSES BEFORE ARE ALREADY SERGEANTS NOW.

UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BY TIME AS ON THE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE FOR ME, THAT'S NOT FAIR THAT I'M ALMOST GOING ON NINE YEARS.

TOOK, TOOK THE CORPORAL TEST AS SOON AS I COULD, PROMOTED TO CORPORAL AS SOON AS I COULD.

AND NOW WITH THIS NEW CHANGE IS FIVE YEARS IN, IN THE SENIOR CORPORAL RANK, I'M GONNA HAVE TO BE A 12, 13 YEAR OFFICER TILL I CAN MAKE THE RANK OF SERGEANT WHEN WE HAVE SEVEN YEAR, EIGHT YEAR SERGEANTS.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

IF SOMEONE DOESN'T DECIDE TO PROMOTE TO SENIOR CORPORAL AT 15 YEARS, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL

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20 YEARS TO MAKE SERGEANT THEY ALREADY HAVE 15 YEARS ON THE DEPARTMENT? UM, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BY TIME ON THE DEPARTMENT AS OPPOSED TO TIME AND RANK, UH, BECAUSE THAT SCREWS A LOT OF OFFICERS.

LIKE IN, IN MY SPECIFIC SCENARIO, WAITING SEVEN AND A HALF, EIGHT YEARS FOR THEIR FIRST TEST, UH, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT FELL.

WE WERE THE CUTOFF CLASSES, NOT FOR A LACK OF TRYING.

UM, MY WIFE AS WELL AS A DALLAS OFFICER, SHE'S BEEN ON ALMOST 10 YEARS, SHE WAS FOUR AWAY FROM PROMOTING ON THIS LAST LIST.

UH, AND SHE IS ALSO, SHE, IF SHE PROMOTES TO CORPORAL, SHE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL 16 YEARS ON TO HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE SERGEANT.

I JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, VERY EXTENDED AND THAT DOESN'T HELP WITH PROMOTING AND, AND MAKING OFFICERS WANT TO BE HERE.

UH, I AGREE WITH ZACHARY, UH, OFFICER ZACHARY, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THIS CHANGE GOES INTO EFFECT, I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICERS THAT ARE IN MY SCENARIO, MY SHOES, THAT WOULD AGREE THAT AREN'T HERE TO SPEAK TODAY, BUT THEY PROBABLY AGREE IN, IN SOME SHAPE OR FASHION, UH, THAT, THAT WOULD LIMIT YOUR ABILITY TO PROMOTE AND, AND MOVE UP IN THE RANKS ON THE DEPARTMENT.

BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE HUNDRED OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THIS WINDOW THAT HAD TO WAIT TILL 7, 8, 9 YEARS ON TO TAKE THEIR FIRST TEST AND DIDN'T PROMOTE ON THIS LAST ONE.

I JUST THINK THAT'S GONNA DELAY A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.

AND I'M ONE OF THE HUGE ADVOCATES.

I TALK GREAT ABOUT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I'VE RECRUITED PEOPLE HERE, UH, BUT ME HAVING TO WAIT TILL I'VE BEEN ON 12, 13 YEARS TO MAKE, TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE SERGEANT, UH, I JUST THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK FOR ME.

THAT THAT DOESN'T MAKE, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ME WANNA STAY HERE, UH, ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE YEARS TILL I'M ELIGIBLE TO BE A SERGEANT.

I JUST, I THINK THAT'S, UH, A LITTLE ABSURD.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR.

OKAY.

OFFICER MORRIS, THANK, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS TODAY.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK SIR.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MR. DAVIS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE, THAT WE HAVE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD? MR. CHAIR.

OKAY.

GOOD.

WELL, WITH THAT THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AFTER WE HAD REOPENED IT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, UH, OUR NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THEN IS, UM, UH, DEPARTMENT UPDATES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

MR. CHAIR, UM, SINCE WE'RE A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER, I, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT OUR ORDER.

WE, YOU KNOW, YES, MA'AM.

WE WERE, WE WERE ALLOWED ASKING QUESTIONS AND, AND DOING, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THIS HEARING ITEM.

WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS HEARING ITEM, THEN WE OPENED IT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN, I NOW HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS.

WOULD NOW BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE OR SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE BOARD UPDATES? MAYBE AFTER THE BOARD UPDATES? THE NEXT ITEM ARE THAT THE, THE, THE ADOPTION OF ADMITTED RULES IS THE NEXT ACTION ITEM AFTER THE BOARD UPDATE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

THANK YOU, MR. TURN THAT BACK OVER TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

AND I'LL JUST RUN THROUGH JUST A COUPLE, JUST A COUPLE UPDATES AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK TO OUR, TO OUR ACTION ITEM.

UM, ANNA, IF YOU COULD BRING UP, UM, OUR DEPARTMENT UPDATES.

JUST WANTED TO SHARE, UM, VERY BRIEFLY WITH YOU ALL, UM, HIRING EVENTS IN JOB FAIRS.

UM, ON MAY 10TH, WE HELD A HIRING EVENT IN JOB FAIR IN CONJUNCTION WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHERE WE WERE GENERATED 78, UM, JOB SEEKERS RESULTING IN 13 OFFERS AT THAT PARTICULAR EVENT, WE DID MOCK INTERVIEW, UM, SESSIONS WITH MOSQUITO I S D ON MAY 16TH, WHICH GENERATED ABOUT 20 PARTICIPANTS, UM, THAT PARTICIPATED IN, UM, AN INTERVIEW MOCK, UM, PROGRAM.

AND THEN IN DESOTO, WORKS JOB FAIR WAS A, A A A BIG JOB FAIR, UH, DOWN IN DESOTO HELD ON THE 24TH, WHICH GENERATED, UM, 45 JOB SEEKERS AND COUPLE PICTURES ARE INCLUDED, UM, IN THE, IN, IN THE CHART FROM THAT.

BUT THAT, THAT'S THE MATERIAL UPDATE, UM, FROM MAY FOR OUR, FOR OUR BOARD, UM, UPDATES IN TERMS OF OUR OUTREACH, UM, FOR JOB APPLICANTS AND, AND JOB FAIR.

SO I'LL STAND FOR ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN, WE CAN MOVE BACK TO THE, THE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS I THINK THAT WE MAY HAVE.

UH, IS THAT ALL ON ON, UH, UPDATES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS, OR ARE THERE I DON'T, YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE YES, SIR.

OH, OKAY.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, I, I SAW PICTURES ON THE SIDE.

I WASN'T SURE.

YEAH, I'LL MAKE SURE I PERCOLATE THOSE.

THOSE ARE SOME, THOSE ARE PICTURES.

AND, AND, AND REALLY THE ADDITIONAL SLIDES ARE JUST RE ARE, ARE SNAPSHOTS FROM THOSE EVENT, THOSE, UM, EVENT.

OH, OKAY.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY, OKAY, THANK YOU, JARED.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JARED?

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OKAY, THEN THAT TAKES US TO OUR, OUR ONLY ACTION ITEM TODAY.

UH, ON, ON UNDER ITEM SIX ON THE BUDGET, ADOPT THE AMENDED CODE OF ROYALS REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD AT THIS POINT IN TIME WOULD BE THE TIME FOR A DISCUSSION.

AND ANY MOTIONS, ANYBODY LIKE WHO'D LIKE TO GO FIRST? AND, UM, I'M GOING TO IS IS, UH, NO, I DON'T SEE OUR ATTORNEY HERE.

JENNIFER.

I DON'T SEE JENNIFER.

IS JENNIFER, UH, ON THE, IN A TILE THAT I JUST CAN'T SEE? JENNIFER HUGGER.

I SEE SARAH.

OKAY.

SEE SARAH.

SO, OKAY.

OKAY.

I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY ISSUES WOULD COME, WOULD COME UP.

I KNOW JENNIFER HAD WORKED WITH US ON THE, ON THE RULES.

SO, UM, BOARD, LET ME TURN OVER.

ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I SEE SHANNON, I SEE YOUR FINGER, YOUR HAND RAISED.

YES.

I, I THINK AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, BEFORE WE DO DISCUSSION, DO WE, DO WE NOT HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS FIRST AND THEN WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION? WELL, WE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE HAVING ANY DISCUSS? YEAH.

SO THEN THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS.

FIRST.

I THINK THE QUE ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS MAY ASSIST IN, IN ADOPTING OR, OR CONSIDERING A MOTION.

SO I MEAN, IF, IF WE WANNA MAKE A MOTION FIRST AND HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, THAT'S FINE.

I'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT.

I MEAN, DO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION CHAIR FIRST? FOR, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AMENDED CITY OF, OF CODE AND RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

THAT'S MY MOTION.

OKAY.

IS THERE A SECOND OF THAT MOTION? CAN IT? OKAY.

WE MOTION AND A SECOND NOW WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

UH, KYLA .

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, JARED, READING OVER HERE IN THE CHAT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE ASKED CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES TO COME TO CITY HALL AND COMPARE THE OLD RULES TO THE NEW RULES.

WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THEM ANY HELP ON WHAT RULES WERE CHANGED.

WELL, WHAT, WHAT WE DO IN, WITH ALL OF OUR RULE AMENDMENTS, UM, BOARD MEMBER COLE, IS THAT, UM, FOR A PERIOD OF THREE WEEKS, WE SENT OUT INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS TO ALL CITY EMPLOYEES ADVISING THEM THAT THERE WERE SOME CHANGES.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING, AND I THINK THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMITTEE AND AS A BOARD A, A PART THAT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO A COMPARE AND CONTRAST BETWEEN OLD RULES AND NEW RULES.

AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS COMPILE THE SUMMARY OF THOSE CHANGES WHERE EMPLOYEES COULD UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES BETWEEN WHAT, WHERE WERE IN THE EXISTING RULES AND WHERE WERE IN THE, IN THE RULES TO COME.

SO THE STATEMENT TO SAY THAT THEY GOT NO ASSISTANCE IN THAT, WE DID PROVIDE THEM WITH A SUMMARY OF WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE.

UM, AND BOTH VERSIONS OF THE RULES TO THAT, THAT, THAT JUST, NO, NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE CONSIDERED OR WHAT YOU ALL CONSIDERED AS A BOARD.

UH, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THERE WAS A SUMMARY PROVIDED CUZ I SPENT EIGHT HOURS PROVIDING THE SUMMARY THAT WE REVIEWED.

SO I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT WAS TO COMPARE THOSE TWO SETS OF RULES AND SO CORRECT.

I WOULD HATE TO THINK THAT WE JUST THREW THEM OUT THERE AND SAID, GOOD LUCK.

NO, NO.

WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE VERY SENSITIVE AND I W AND, AND, AND, AND I WAS BOTH, YOU KNOW, VERY KEENLY AWARE THAT GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE CHANGES IN, IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERHAUL AND THE DELETION OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REPEATED IN THE PERSONNEL RULES AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDERED AND THE DIFFICULTY THERE, WE, WE, I I I MADE SURE THAT, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EMPLOYEES DIDN'T FEEL THAT THEY HAD TO KIND OF FIGURE THAT OUT ON THEIR OWN.

CONSIDER THE NATURE OF THE CHANGE IN, IN WHAT WE EVEN GRAPPLED WITH OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AS A BOARD.

DID THEY HAVE TO COME TO CITY HALL TO SEE IT? YES.

THAT IT WAS AVAILABLE FOR INSPECTION HERE AT CITY HALL.

AND WHY WAS IT NOT PROVIDED TO OUR CIVIL, I'M SORRY, THE LAST PART OF YOUR QUESTION TRAILED OUT.

WHY WAS IT NOT PROVIDED TO OUR CIVIL SERVICE? HMM.

I I'M SORRY I, THE, THE LAST PART, CITY HALL TO LOOK AT IT.

WAS THERE NOTHING ELSE WE COULD HAVE DONE? I CAN'T HEAR EITHER.

KYLA, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU FOR SOME REASON ELSE THAT WE COULD HAVE DONE, WHY WOULD THEY HAVE HAD TO COME TO CITY HALL? BUT IT IS GETTING THANKED WHEN SHE'S SPEAKING.

YES.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS, RIGHT? JUST REPEATED THE SAME ADMINISTRATIVE RULE PROCESS THAT WE USED IN ANY OTHER RULE PROVISION CHANGES.

UM, WE ALSO, THAT'S THE SAME PROCESS WE UNDERTAKE, IF ANYONE FROM THE SWORN SERVICE WANTS TO TAKE A LOOK AND EXAMINE ANYTHING RELATED TO ANY TEST ITEM, UM, TEST ITEM REVIEW IS DONE.

THE IS IS IS DONE SIMILARLY.

AND SO WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS AS GUIDANCE TO

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HOW TO EMBARK UPON A RULE CHANGE OR A RULE CHANGE OF THIS SIZE, I JUST, I MIMIC THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE TRADITIONALLY USED.

UM, UM, BUT WHAT, WHAT WAS DIFFERENT WAS THE LINKS AND THE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION PROVIDED INTERNALLY.

I THINK WHAT YOU HEAR FROM SOME OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS SAYING THEY NEVER SAW ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE.

SO WHILE IT WAS HERE FOR PHYSICAL INSPECTION, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE ELECTRONICALLY WE COMMUNICATED AND OVER-COMMUNICATED TO EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAD THIS INFORMATION.

HERE'S THE SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES.

AND, BUT, BUT REALLY IT WAS A, IT WAS A REPETITION OF THE AMENDMENT PROCESS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY USED.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THERE WAS BEFORE THIS? UM, I, I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME WE HAD, AND I THINK I HEARD THE, I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE HAD A RULE AMENDMENT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE RULE? THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

OKAY.

I I I, IN MY LAST RECOLLECTION, AND I, I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I WANT TO BE, I WANT TO SAY IT WAS IN EARLY 2019 TEAM.

SO WE WERE BRIEFED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS ABOUT THE CHANGE IN REC TIME AND RANK, WHY THEY WERE REQUESTING IT, WHAT THEY WANTED.

WAS THERE EVER AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE TODAY FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS TO ADDRESS THOSE CHANGES OR TO PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THOSE CHANGES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ASKED US FOR? THERE WAS, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME BEFORE THIS BODY AND PRESENTED TO THEM THEIR REQUEST, UM, TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.

UM, THOSE ARE PUBLIC, THOSE ARE PUBLIC NOTICE ITEMS. THOSE, THOSE ITEMS ARE A PART OF OUR AGENDA.

SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO, TO COMMENT.

WE ALSO ADOPTED AS A BODY THOSE CHANGES TO THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.

AND THAT WAS PUBLIC NOTICE.

UM, EMPLOYEES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT OR SIGN UP AS A, AS A PUBLIC HEARING PERSON.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO DID INTERNALLY WAS WE JUST DIDN'T TAKE WHAT THE DEPARTMENT ASKED US FOR.

WE ALSO CONDUCTED OUR OWN INTERNAL PROFESSIONAL VALIDATION OF THAT BENCHMARKING AGAINST OTHER, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

AND THAT WAS ALSO BRIEFED, I WANT TO SAY, IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.

UM, WHICH THEN WOULD'VE BEEN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR, FOR INDIVIDUALS TO WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE YOU ALL WITH INPUT THAT WOULD BE GUIDANCE.

UM, IN THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY, THERE ARE MENTIONS IN THE CHAT THAT THEY'D NEVER RECEIVED EMAILS LIKE THIS BEFORE.

I BELIEVE MR. ZACHARY MAY HAVE SAID THAT AS WELL.

UM, WHEN WE GIVE PUBLIC NOTICE, I MEAN, DID WE GIVE IT DIFFERENTLY TODAY THAN WE'VE GIVEN IT BEFORE? TRADITIONALLY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT, THAT THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR BEFORE ME POSTED IT IN BULLETIN BOARDS.

AND SO THAT MAY BE WHY INDIVIDUALS ARE INDICATING THEY NEVER RECEIVED AN EMAIL BECAUSE IT WAS POSTED PHYSICALLY.

UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EMPLOYEES, WHEREVER THEY MAY SIT ACROSS THE CITY, UNDERSTOOD ELECTRONICALLY THAT THESE WERE THE CHANGES.

AND SO, UM, BUT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING AND ACCORDING, AGAIN, TO THE PROVISIONS, YOU KNOW, OF HOW RULE CHANGES WORK THAT THEY WERE POSTED P PHYSICALLY.

AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SENT OUT THROUGH THE INTERNAL, UM, COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT WHAT THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE, UM, AND THAT WE WERE, AND THAT YOU ALL WERE CONSIDERING THOSE CHANGES.

AND SO THAT MAY BE THE CONTEXT IN THE BACKGROUND TO THOSE COMMENTS.

IN THE TWO PREVIOUS INSTANCES WHEN WE HEARD FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND DISCUSSED CHANGING THESE PROMOTIONAL RANKS, WAS THAT JUST POSTED IN BULLETIN BOARD OR WAS IT SENT OUT IN THE WAY YOU SENT OUT NOTICE FOR THIS MEETING, THOSE THINGS WOULD'VE BEEN POSTED ELECTRONICALLY AS WELL.

UM, THE ACTUAL TEXT THEREOF, UM, I I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, BUT ALL OF OUR AGENDA ITEMS WE SEND OUT ELECTRONICALLY AND, AND, AND, AND WE MAKE THAT KNOWN WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND WHAT THIS BODY IS, IS TAKING UP AS A MATTER OF BUSINESS.

AND SO THAT WOULD'VE BEEN STILL SENT OUT, UM, IN SIMILAR FASHION, BUT THERE WAS NOT A TRUE TEXT AMENDMENT OR A CONSIDERATION OF A TEXT AMENDMENT OR A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT KIND OF WAS SENT OUT AND COMMUNICATED TO EMPLOYEES AS WE SEE TODAY.

AND SO WHEN WE MADE THE, THE VOTE BEFORE TO APPROVE THE CHANGE TO TIMES AND RANK IS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT YOU ALL HAVE GIVEN PRELIMINARY APPROVAL TO THOSE CHANGE IN RANKS.

UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME AND SHARED WITH YOU THEIR REQUEST.

UM, WE THEN TOOK

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THAT OFF AT YOUR WALL'S DIRECTION AND DID OUR VALIDATION AND CAME BACK AND PROVIDED TO YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION AND YOU ALL SAID, YEP, WE AGREE WITH THAT DIRECTIONALLY.

AND SO THAT WAS HOW THAT BECAME FOLDED INTO THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE BEFORE YOU ALL TODAY.

AND YOU SENT OUT THE NOTICE OF THAT MEETING IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU SENT OUT THE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU JARED.

I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR ANSWERS.

NO PROBLEM.

WELL, I HOPE THIS ISN'T A THANK YOU.

OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

CHAIR.

NO, WHOEVER, WHOEVER.

JOAN, IF YOU WANNA GO FIRST.

I, I DIDN'T, DIDN'T KNOW WHO ELSE WAS.

I HEARD YOU JOHN FIRST, I THINK.

OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I AM PROBABLY THE NEWEST BOARD MEMBER, BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU SENT IT OUT TO, UH, THE EMPLOYEES, DOES THAT MEAN EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY GETS WHAT AN EMAIL OR, I I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE, NOT, NOT THE CHANGES ARE, BUT THE NOTIFICATION THAT THERE ARE CHANGES.

HOW IS THAT DISSEMINATED? SO YES, THANK YOU.

BOARD MEMBER SPONSOR.

YES.

UM, INTERNALLY WE HAVE, UM, THROUGH OUR MARKETING AND INTERNAL COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, UM, WE HAVE AN INTERNAL COMMUNICATION SYSTEM BY WAY WE MAKE EMPLOYEES AWARE OF ANY PERSONNEL POLICY CHANGES, ANY RULE CHANGES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND SO, UM, WE SENT OUT, UM, UM, THREE NOTICES, I DO BELIEVE TO EMPLOYEES TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, THAT WE, THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, UM, HAD A SET UP REVISED A DRAFT VERSION OF REVISED CODE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE BOARD.

UM, AND HOW TOBEL THEMSELVES OF EITHER A SUBMITTING WRITTEN COMMENTS, WHICH IS HOW WE GOT TO THE COMPILATION OF THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT ARE, THAT WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AND, UM, OUR NORMAL NOTICE, PUBLIC NOTICE PERIOD OF OUR MEETINGS AND WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING AND THAT INDIVIDUALS COULD, COULD SIGN UP TO SPEAK.

AND SO WE SEND THAT OUT TO ALL CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES, UM, IN ORDER THAT WE MIGHT UNDERSTAND THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND ANY FEEDBACK THEY HAVE FOR US.

AND SO ALL, ALL EMPLOYEES WERE MADE AWARE OF THAT YOU ALL WERE CONSIDERING THESE CHANGES, UM, AND VERSIONS OF THESE CHANGES EXISTED.

AND THAT'S REALLY AND TRULY WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMP, THE, THE COMPILED COMMENTS THAT COME FROM THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE SENT TO ALL EMPLOYEES AND, AND THEY'RE SENT OUT ELECTRONICALLY.

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

AND HAVE YOU EVER DONE, UH, UH, REVIEW OR, UH, SURVEYORS OF, OF, ARE THERE, ARE THERE EMPLOYEES WHO DO NOT, ARE, DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO, UH, TO GETTING, TO GETTING, GETTING EVEN THE NOTIFICATIONS ELECTRONICALLY? WELL, ALL, ALL CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES ARE ASSIGNED AN ELECTRONIC EMAIL ADDRESS.

I THINK, UM, IN PRIOR TIMES, THE REVERSE OF IT WAS WE ONLY POSTED IT PHYSICALLY AND SO IT LEFT OUT A LEFT A LOT OF PEOPLE ELECTRONICALLY.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, UM, BUT WE, WE SENT IT OUT TO ALL, TO ALL EMPLOYEES.

BUT AGAIN, NOT EVERY, I MEAN, IT, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? NOT NOT EVERYBODY HAS ACCESS TO, TO, TO A COMPUTER TO, TO GET GETTING INTO A, AN ELECTRONIC NOTIFICATION.

UM, OR HAVE YOU FOUND THAT? NO, ALL YOU KNOW, 99% OF THEM CAN ACCESS IT.

I, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S SORT OF STEMMING FROM WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AND NOT EVERYONE HAS COMPUTERS.

THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY DO HAVE COMPUTERS WHEN THEY WERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WERE AT HOME.

BUT I HOPE I, I MIGHT MAKING MYSELF CLEAR AS TO WHAT YES, MA'AM.

YES, MA'AM.

YOU, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION IS TO THE HEART OF, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE A LARGE PORTION OF OUR EMPLOYEE POPULATION THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO COMPUTERS AND OTHERWISE ARE NOT IN THE LOOP? UM, I BOARD MEMBER SPONSOR, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT THE METHOD THAT WE'VE COMMUNICATED REACHED THE MOST NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND MADE THEM AWARE.

AND I THINK WE SEE IT IN THE FEEDBACK AND WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED AND EVEN SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE SEEN THIS MORNING.

SO I, I, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE GONE THAT DISTANCE TO COMMUNICATE TO ALL EMPLOYEES REGARDLESS OF KIND OF WHERE THEY SIT WITHIN THE CITY.

OKAY.

AND JUST ONE LAST QUESTION.

HAVE YOU EVER GOTTEN COMPLAINTS THAT THEY, THAT THERE ARE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE NOT AWARE BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT ACCESS? WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THOSE THIS MORNING.

OKAY.

.

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BUT OUTSIDE OF THAT, I'M MEAN, IN ALL HONESTY, OUTSIDE OF THAT, NOT, NOT, NOT HIT OR TWO, NO MA'AM.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

CHANDRA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

UM, OH NO, I, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE A QUESTION.

NO, MY MY POINT TO EVERYTHING IS I APPRECIATE ALL EVERYBODY THAT'S IN THE ATTENDEES THAT ARE HERE IN THE MEETING TODAY.

WE APPRECIATE THAT, UH, AS A LOT OF 'EM HAVE SAID, I WAS A 30 YEAR CITY EMPLOYEE AND IF THERE WERE SOME CHANGES WITH CIVIL SERVICE, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE EVER RECEIVED THE CHANGES, BUT I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW PROCESS, CAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE CHANGES SINCE I'VE BEEN THE THOUGHT OF THE CHANGES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD SINCE 2017.

AND SO NOW WE'VE GOT TO FINALLY GOT TO THIS POINT AND WE MADE SOME, SOME, SOME LOT OF CHANGES AND, AND A LOT OF IT WAS JUST CLEANED UP FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S LISTENING.

WE CLEANED UP A LOT OF THINGS.

WE REFERENCED PERSONNEL RULES, WE TOOK A LOT OF THINGS OUT AND WE JUST REALLY STREAMLINED THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND THE RULES, THE D P D DID COME TO US IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 AS FOR THESE PROMOTIONAL CHANGES BECAUSE THE NEED WAS THERE BECAUSE THEY, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE, DON'T COME IN AND, AND IN TWO YEARS YOU CAN PROMOTE TO LIEUTENANT BECAUSE YOU ARE A GOOD TEST TAKER, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE ON A JOB.

SO SOME D D P D AND I DON'T KNOW IF D P D IS HERE TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME ISSUES.

AND SO THE MAIN THING I WANNA MAKE A POINT OF IS HOW, IF THE MAIN CHANGES ON HERE, WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING ABOUT D P D PROMOTIONAL EXAM, I WOULD HOPE THAT WHOEVER ON POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO WORK TO ENSURE THE DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS UNDERSTAND THIS NEW RULE CHANGE.

I THINK WE AS A BOARD, WE APPROVE THEM AND WE, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO, BUT THE COMMUNICATION AND HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT THEIR EMPLOYEES, I'M HOPING THAT THESE DEPARTMENTS WILL TAKE THESE RULE CHANGES AND THEN MAKE SURE THEY COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES ANY CHANGES.

I USED TO DO THAT WHEN I WAS A SUPERVISORS.

ANYTHING CAME IN, I MADE SURE MY EMPLOYEES WERE AWARE OF IT, SO IT WON'T BE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACT.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

SO POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY'RE LISTENING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU ALL MAKE SURE THAT, AND, AND EXPLAIN TO SOME PEOPLE WHY THESE RULE CHANGES AND PROMOTIONAL CHANGES WERE REQUIRED, UH, AND, AND REQUESTED FOR US AS A BOARD, WE TOOK THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

WE MADE RULE CHANGES AFTER JARED DID TALK TO ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

EVERYBODY, THESE ARE OUR CHANGES RIGHT NOW.

THEY WEREN'T REALLY SIGNIFICANT AS OTHER THAN THE PROMOTIONAL PART.

THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT, BUT THIS IS NEW FOR EVERYBODY.

WE, WE HAVE NOT DONE CIVIL SERVICE RULE CHANGES LIKE THIS, RIGHT.

UH, MR. CHAIR, WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS IN THE WASO.

THIS IS A NEW PROCESS AND HOW IT IS.

AND I, AND I THINK PEOPLE WHO, THEY SEEM LIKE THERE'S ENOUGH PEOPLE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THESE CHANGES, THAT'S GOOD FOR ME.

I'VE SEEN SOME STUFF ON FACEBOOK THAT PEOPLE WERE LIKE, HEY, THEY'RE MAKING CHANGES TO THE CIVIL SERVICE.

AND I'M LIKE, OH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION.

SO IT'S BEEN OUT THERE.

IT IS OUT THERE.

PEOPLE KNOW NOW I'M HOPING THE DEPARTMENTS WILL WORK TO MAKE SURE THEIR EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND HOW THE NEW RULE CHANGES WILL IMPACT THEM.

CUZ WE'VE DONE OUR PART AND AS THE BOARD.

AND SHANNON, I WANNA, I WANT TO ECHO THAT TOO, IS THAT, UH, WE TOOK THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT OF POLICE, PARTICULARLY POLICE AND FIRE ON, ON SOME OF THESE CHANGES.

AND IF, IF THESE GET ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S, THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD FOR CONCERNING REVISIONS.

IF, IF THE, IF THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS BELIEVE SOMETHING'S NOT APPROPRIATE, UM, I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THEIR SHOES WHEN THE, WHEN THE, WHEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IS BEST FOR THE DEPARTMENT, I'M GONNA PLACE GREAT CREDIBILITY ON THAT , IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE OTHERWISE.

AND THERE'S TO CHANGE THAT, SO BE IT.

I I I, YOU KNOW, I I I'M NOT THE EXPERT IN THERE.

I I RELY, WE RELY UPON THEM.

SO, UM, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I'VE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD ANECDOTALLY, AGAIN, I'VE NOT DONE SURVEYS OR ANYTHING, BUT JUST FROM, FROM, UH, UH, UH, CONTACTS IS THAT, UH, UH, I'VE HEARD THAT THESE ARE, UH, WERE LONG NEEDED AND ARE ARE, AND, AND PEOPLE I TALKED TO WERE SUPPORTIVE.

AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST WHO I TALKED TO.

SO I I, I AGREE WITH YOU THERE.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THIS, SINCE WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK ONE QUESTION, AND THIS MAY BE, UH, SOMETHING THIS EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS EXCEPT ME, BUT THE, UM, WHEN THEY COME DOWN AND SPEAK, ESPECIALLY THESE POLICE

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OFFICERS, THEY KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD IS NOT MAKING THESE CHANGES WITHOUT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE D P D.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

I WE HOPE.

CORRECT.

CORRECT.

AND THEN, AND THEN ALSO THIS WE'RE NOT THE FINAL SAY GO, IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL