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HI, I AM JOSE REAS,

[Community Police Oversight Board on June 13, 2023.]

VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.

WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD AND WE WILL GET STARTED.

THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR AND THOROUGHLY, ARE TRANSPARENT, AND ENSURE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT, PROCESS, DUTIES, AND FUNCTIONS.

ENSURE THE FAIR AND ACCEPTANCE, FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS, REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.

DIRECT THE MONITOR OF O C P O TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATIONS.

ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH EXCEPT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.

TAKE SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.

REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS, BOARD DECORUM.

DURING BOARD MEETINGS, MEMBERS SHALL PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM AND SHALL NEITHER BY CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS, NOR REFUSE, OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.

ALL MEMBERS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO CITY EMPLOYEES AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS.

REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.

OKAY, NOW THAT WE'VE COVERED THE DECORUM, UM, WE ARE GONNA GO INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING.

WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS TODAY.

I WANT TO REMIND THE SPEAKERS THAT THE RIGHT, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS.

UM, WHAT WE WILL DO IS, UH, I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYONE THAT, UH, THE RULES OF DECORUM ALSO APPLY TO OUR SPEAKERS.

SO PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES, PLEASE REACH OUT.

JUST DIRECT THEM TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF THIS BOARD MEETING.

SO TO START WITH, UH, LET'S SEE.

SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON WITH SOME DISCRETION BY THE CHAIR AS NEEDED.

BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE TO THREE MINUTES.

PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE TAKEN NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING.

FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING, PLEASE UNDERSTAND OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND TO HAVE A HE HEALTHY AND SPIRITED DIALOGUE.

TO DO SO, WE MUST ESTABLISH SOME STRUCTURES ON HOW WE ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

SO WE'LL START WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER, MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS.

MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

AND YOUR MIC IS ON.

THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE MY ADDRESS.

YOU DO HAVE HANDOUTS.

I COULDN'T GET ANYTHING PRINTED BECAUSE THEY TAKE CARD ONLY MS. MCCLARY IN THE CHAIR DISA ALLOWED ME TO SPEAK APRIL THE 11TH, 2023.

AND THAT WAS BECAUSE I ALLEGED THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT ME TO SPEAK THE TRUTH OF ONGOING OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

MS. MCCLARY HAD IN HER POSSESSION, 2021, A CD THAT CAME UP MISSING THAT PROVES BEYOND ANY TYPE DOUBT THAT I'VE BEEN SPEAKING THE TRUTH.

MS. MCCLARY IS ATTORNEY.

SHE'S A VERY WISE WOMAN.

MS. MCCLARY, I ALLEGE IF SHE WAS FAIR, SHE'S NO LONGER FAIR.

SHE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR OFFICERS AND CITIZENS.

I BELIEVE WHATEVER MS. MCCLARY WAS DOING BEFORE NOW WITH THIS JOB, IT'S A BURNOUT FOR HER.

AND SHE CAN NO LONGER IF SHE EVER WAS BEING FAIR BECAUSE THIS JOB REQUIRES FOR YOU TO BE FAIR AND ABOUT THE TRUTH, BECAUSE JUSTICE REQUIRES YOU TO BE FAIR AND ABOUT THE TRUTH.

THE CD THAT MS. MCCLARY SAID, I NEVER LOST ANYTHING OF HER.

SHE'S ON THE RECORD FOR SAYING THAT SHE'S ALSO A WITNESS.

I'M NOT AFRAID TO LIVE, AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO DIE BECAUSE WE ALL

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GOTTA GO THAT WAY.

IT'S INEVITABLE.

BUT WHAT I DON'T DO, I DON'T FIGHT POLICE.

I DON'T DO OPEN.

I THINK IT'S ONE AND THE SAME, AND I ALWAYS WILL.

MS. MCCRARY, I HEARD YOU SPEAKING.

I'M SHARING WITH YOU THAT YOU ARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS AND CITIZENS.

YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE TO THE COVER UP.

YOU LISTEN TO THE CDS, YOU SAW THE FABRICATED POLICE REPORT.

AND SIR, THERE'S TWO OFFICERS RIGHT NOW AND FEDERAL COURT SET TO GO TO TRIAL NEXT YEAR, AND BOTH LOST THEIR JOBS FOR LESS THAN WHAT THEY WERE MASKING AND WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT'S OTHERS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS.

CITIZENS CITY COUNCIL, CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES, DALLAS COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS FOR LESS.

IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

AND I'M GOING TO TAKE THE BLOWS TO CLEAR MY NAME AND TO HELP SOMEONE ELSE.

I DON'T FIGHT OFFICERS.

MS. MCCLARY.

NO, SIR.

WHILE SHE'S SITTING UP HERE BEING SARCASTIC, SHE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

AND SIR, DON'T TAKE IT OFFENSIVE, BUT GUARANTEED.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE MS. SHANITA CLEVELAND.

DO YOU NEED TO SAY YOUR ADDRESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WHERE YOU LIVE, YOUR NAME? YOU SHOULD, YES.

OKAY, AWESOME.

SHANITA CLEVELAND.

AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE CAMERA IS SMASHED A TOPIC, UH, THAT IS A COMMUNITY JOURNALIST PLATFORM.

SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS FAIR.

AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO SHOW THE PEOPLE WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE OF THE CITY.

AND SO, THANK YOU DALLAS.

ACTION FOR LETTING SMASH AND MYSELF KNOW ABOUT TODAY.

AND WHAT CAN BE ON THE TABLE WHEN IT COMES TO MARIJUANA AND THE DISPARITY OF ARRESTS, MISDEMEANOR ARRESTS HERE IN DALLAS WHEN IT COMES TO MARIJUANA.

I MEAN, LET'S KEEP IT REAL.

I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S PEOPLE INSIDE OF THIS BUILDING THAT SMOKE MARIJUANA, MAYBE EVEN AT THE HORSESHOE.

AND ALL OF THE HORSESHOES, ALL OF THE COMMITTEES, BOARDS, POLICE.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT WHAT THE SCHEDULE SAYS IT IS.

IT DOES HAVE MEDICAL BENEFIT AND IT IS LEGAL IN HALF OF THE COUNTRY.

AND SO WHEN ARE WE GONNA STOP ACTING LIKE TWO AMERICAS? AND WHEN ARE WE GONNA BE FAIR AND HAVE REAL JUSTICE? WHEN HAVE WE BEEN NOT DIVIDED? WHY DO WE PLEDGE OUR ALLEGIANCE TO THE REPUBLIC IF IT IS GONNA DO US THIS WAY? I DON'T EVEN SEE A CAMERA ON THE, ON HERE AT THE PODIUM.

I HEARD THE WORD SUPPRESSION, I BELIEVE, BUT NOTHING GOES UNREVEALED BY THE LORD.

SO I HOPE THAT SOME OF YOU BELIEVE, IF NOT, IT'S OKAY.

WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE IN, HOPEFULLY YOU BELIEVE IN FAIRNESS AND NOT EVIL.

HOPEFULLY YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL POLICE ARE NOT THE BEST.

OF COURSE, ALL COMMUNITY MAY BE NOT THE BEST AT TIMES, BUT WE CAN DO BETTER.

AND FOUR GRAMS IS NOTHING IN FACT, THAT I, I I WATCHED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT WAS LIVE.

I SAW WHEN THEY PUT THE, IT WAS LIKE FOUR AND A HALF OUNCES IN THE FRONT OF THE TV AND IN THE ARTICLE FOR THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS AS IF THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.

HOW DECEPTIVE IS THAT? THIS IS WHY WE NEED COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.

BUT NOT ONLY DO WE NEED COM COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, BUT WE NEED COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT ARE REALLY GONNA DO SOMETHING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? THIS IS THE COMMUNITY ACTIVIST SIDE.

THIS IS NOW SMASH A TOPIC.

I JUST HAPPENED TO SIGN UP AND HAPPEN TO BE LIVE AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT I'M GOING BACK INTO THE MEDIA MODE IN JUST A SECOND.

BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK MY PEACE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, TEXAS, THE SAME PLACE WHERE ONLY WHITES COULD SWIM OUTSIDE.

NOW LOOK AT IT.

NOBODY CAN SWIM.

SO LET'S DO THE RIGHT THING.

ALL RIGHT, LIKE GAMBLING, LIKE PAPER TAGS.

COME ON.

THEN THAT MEANS THAT YOU COULD HAVE THAT, THAT YOU COULD HAVE BEEN GIVING US PAPER.

I MEAN, OUR TAGS THE SAME DAY.

SO WHAT ELSE YOU HOLDING OUT ON US ON? COME ON, Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT THING.

DO SOMETHING.

TAKE SOME ACTION, NOT JUST US.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

FOR THIS FIRST, UH, FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ROLL CALL

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STARTING WITH DISTRICT ONE OZZY SMITH.

PRESENT DISTRICT TWO MAPLES.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE IS ABSENT DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE IS VACANT.

DISTRICT SIX IS VACANT.

I AM PRESENT IS DISTRICT SEVEN.

DISTRICT EIGHT IS VACANT.

DISTRICT NINE, DISTRICT 10.

DISTRICT 11.

DISTRICT 11.

ARLENE STEINFELD.

PRESENT DISTRICT 12 D WADSWORTH.

DISTRICT 12 PRESENT.

DISTRICT 13.

DAVID KIDNER, DISTRICT 13, PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14.

BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14, PRESENT PLACE 15.

ABSENT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT CONCLUDES ROLL CALL.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF LAST MONTH'S MEETING.

UH, HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL? DAVID KITLER, DISTRICT 13.

MOTION TO APPROVE DE WADSWORTH DISTRICT 12.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

UH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.

HEARING NONE SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYE.

HAVE IT.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR FIRST ACTION ITEM, WHICH IS A CONVERSATION WITH D P D INTERNAL AFFAIRS MAJOR, UH, IRENE ALANISE AND BOB SCALES, C E O OF POLICE STRATEGIES, LLC, REGARDING THE D P D USE OF FORCE DASHBOARD, MAJOR ALANISE.

GOOD EVENING, MYSELF AND MR. ARE ONLINE.

GOOD EVENING.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

MR. SCALES, CAN YOU, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES.

HI.

HI, THIS IS, UH, BOB SCALES WITH POLICE STRATEGIES LLC.

GREAT.

WELCOME.

MAJOR ALANISE.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

OKAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING.

WE WILL GET STARTED HERE.

UM, MR. SCALES WILL BE PROVIDING US WITH A HIGH OVERVIEW OF THE NEW DASHBOARD THAT WE HAVE.

THERE IS A PUBLIC FACING DASHBOARD.

IT IS A REPORT THAT IS PRETTY IN DEPTH REGARDING THE USE OF FORCE, UH, WITH D P D.

UM, SO TO BE COGNIZANT OF MR. SCALE'S TIME, SIR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

OKAY.

I'M GOING TO, UH, SHARE MY SCREEN.

YOUR HO HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

ONE SECOND.

UM, MAJOR ALANISE.

IT.

CAN YOU, CAN YOU, UH, CHECK THE SOUND ON YOUR SIDE? I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ON YOUR SIDE AND NOT OURS.

YOU WERE, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO HEAR YOU, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SAME IS FOR MR. SCALES AS WELL.

OKAY.

UH, ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? YES.

STILL.

IS IT BETTER, BETTER FOR ME? NO.

OKAY.

CAN, UM, MS. MCCRARY, I SEE YA, .

YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? MISS MS. MCCLARY? WE CAN CHECK WITH THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM AND JUST IF EVERYBODY IN THE HORSESHOE CAN MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MICS ARE MUTED.

OKAY.

UH, GOOD.

BECAUSE EVEN YOU ARE COMING IN KIND OF FAINT AS WELL.

SO IF WE COULD HAVE, UM, SOMEONE FROM IT CHECK THE SOUND FOR OUR ONLINE GUEST, LIKE, NEED TO START OR STILL LOW.

MR. MAPLES, CAN YOU, CAN YOU TRY YOUR MIC REAL QUICK? I'M HERE.

OKAY.

THEY'RE ALL KIND OF

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LOW.

YEAH.

MR. WILLIAMS? YES, SIR.

YEAH.

CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU REACH OUT TO OUR IT FOLKS AND SEE IF WE CAN, UH, GET THE VOLUME TURNED UP? YES, SIR.

IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, OUR, UH, PRESENTATION IS NOT GONNA BE EFFECTIVE IF, UH, WE CAN'T HEAR IT.

OKAY.

YES, SIR.

JUST GONNA SEE IF WE CAN, UH, MR. CHAIR, IF MR. PETERSON OR MR. SADIQUE IS IN THE ROOM, IF THEY CAN RUN UP TO THAT OFFICE THAT'S AT THE TOP OF CHAMBERS AND SEE IF ANYONE'S IN THERE THAT CAN HELP OUT WITH THE VOLUME.

OKAY.

WE'LL SEND SOMEONE UP.

THANK YOU.

IN THE, THE CAPTION IT SAYS SHARE, IF, IF THAT'S PRESSED, IT COMES UP TO AUTOMATIC OPTIMIZED AND SCROLL DOWN ON OPTIMIZE FOR MOTION AND VIDEO.

THE SOUND MIGHT BE TAP IT BETTER.

UH, I'M SORRY, WHO? UH, KEVIN, WAS THAT YOU? YES, SIR.

OKAY.

I, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU.

SORRY.

UM, IF MR. SCALES CAN LOOK AT THE SH WHERE HE IS SHARING FROM.

THERE'S, THERE'S A CAPTION THERE THAT SAYS SHARE.

ONCE YOU PRESS THE SHARE, YOU COME UP TO AUTOMATIC OPTIMIZE AND SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN AND AUTOMATIC OPTIMIZE TO OPTIMIZE FOR MOTION AND VIDEO.

CLICK ON THAT AND SHARE.

IF YOU GIVE US SOME SOUND IN THE MEANTIME, I WILL TRACK DOWN IT.

HEY, MR. SCALES, DID YOU HEAR, UH, MR. WILLIAMS? YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO, UM, UH, SEE WHAT MY OPTIONS ARE HERE.

OKAY.

UM, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE MY SCREEN? AM AM I SHARING IT? YES, I CAN SEE YOUR SCREEN AND WE CAN SEE YOU AND WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT IT'S, IT'S FAINT.

IT'S NOT, UH, IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR, UM, FOR OUR BRIEFING.

OKAY.

UM, AND AGAIN, I DON'T, I HONESTLY DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ON YOUR SIDE BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING, UM, ALL THE PARTIES ON WEBEX.

OKAY.

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE SOMEONE WORKING ON THAT, UM, VOLUME SITUATION.

MR. O WILLIAMS. SAY THAT AGAIN.

I'M SORRY.

WE HAVE SOMEONE WORKING ON THE VOLUME SITUATION.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? JUST TALK UP, LIKE SPEAK IN YOUR OUTSIDE VOICE, MR. CHAIRMAN.

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HEY, BOB.

CAN, CAN YOU, UM, UM, SHUT DOWN, UH, RESTART YOUR SHARING AND SELECT THE OPTIMIZE, UH, AUDIO FUNCTION IF IT'S ON THERE.

UM, AUDIO.

DO A MIC CHECK.

NOW DO, HEY, MS. MCCLEARY, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU DO A MIC CHECK THOUGH? YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? SORT OF .

IT'S A GOOD THING WE CAN READ LIPS, .

UM, SO WHERE'S THE, LET'S SEE, I HAVE AUDIO SETTINGS.

IS THERE AN OPTIMIZED FEATURE ON THERE BY CHANCE? UM, OPTIMIZED FOR MY VOICE.

OPTIMIZE.

OKAY.

I DID OPTIMIZE.

IS THAT ANY BETTER? UH, I THINK SO.

UH, IT MIGHT BE, LET'S TRY IT AGAIN.

TESTING ONE, TWO.

I HAVE MY, MY MIC VOLUMES UP ALL THE WAY, AND THEN I HAVE OPTIMIZE FOR VOICE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

OH, YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT? YES, SIR.

UH, ROGER.

ROGER, I THINK I SPEAK LOUDER.

OKAY.

LET'S, LET'S DO THIS.

IF YOU, IF YOU, UH, START SHARING YOUR SCREEN AGAIN, AND YOU MAY JUST HAVE TO SPEAK LOUDER.

EVERYONE THAT'S ONLINE, PLEASE.

I KNOW IT'S GONNA SEEM REALLY AWKWARD WHERE YOU'RE AT, BUT IF YOU COULD PLEASE, UH, JUST SPEAK LOUDER, UH, THAN YOU NORMALLY WOULD.

NO PROBLEM.

OKAY.

UH, YOU READY FOR ME TO BEGIN? YES, SIR.

GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO I HAVE A, A SHORT, UH, 15 MINUTE, UH, PRESENTATION THEN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE MAY HAVE.

SO THANK YOU FOR, FOR HAVING ME.

AND I'M GOING TO PRESENT, UH, AN OVERVIEW OF THE FORCE ANALYSIS SYSTEM THAT WE PRODUCED FOR DALLAS PD.

UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, ME AND, AND OUR COMPANY.

SO I'M A FORMER PROSECUTOR IN KING COUNTY, WASHINGTON.

I WORKED FOR 14 YEARS FOR THE CITY OF SEATTLE.

I WORKED FOR SEVERAL, UH, MAYORS ON PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.

I WORKED IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

I ALSO WORKED FOR THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I WAS, UH, REPRESENTING THE CITY IN 2011 WHEN THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CAME IN AND DID A PATTERN OF PRACTICE INVESTIGATION.

AND WAS THE COMPLIANCE COORDINATOR IN THE SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVERSEEING THE REFORMS UNDER THE CONSENT DECREE.

UM, WE, UH, FORMED POLICE STRATEGIES IN 2015 WITH THE PRIMARY GOAL OF HELPING LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES COLLECT, ANALYZE, AND REPORT ON THEIR DATA, PRIMARILY USE OF FORCE DATA.

UM, WE HAVE, UM, UH, SOME OF OUR PARTNERS ARE, ARE FORMER LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CIVILIAN OVERSIGHT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE ALSO HAVE A NUMBER OF PARTNERSHIPS WITH ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS, INCLUDING THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT DALLAS.

UM, THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH, UH, USE OF FORCE DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS IS THAT THERE'S, THERE'S VERY LIMITED DATA.

UM, SO THE FBI HAS CREATED A DATA SYSTEM FOR DEADLY FORCE AND SIR BODILY INJURY AND DALLAS PD, ALONG WITH ABOUT 8,000 OTHER AGENCIES ARE, HAVE BEEN REPORTING TO THIS NATIONAL SYSTEM.

THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE FBI WILL NOT RELEASE ANY OF THE DATA.

SO WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT DATA LOOKS LIKE.

A FEW STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA AND NEW JERSEY, UH, IN CONNECTICUT, HAVE CREATED A STATEWIDE USE OF FORCE DATA SYSTEM.

GENERALLY, THESE ARE PRETTY LIMITED AND ONLY FOR, UH, DEADLY FORCE INCIDENTS.

UM, IN 2015, THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION LAUNCHED THE POLICE DATA INITIATIVE THAT COLLECTED, UH, DIFFERENT DATA SETS FROM, UH, ABOUT 150 POLICE DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING DALLAS PD.

BUT AGAIN, THESE WERE SORT OF RANDOM DATA SETS, AND THERE WAS NO WAY TO COMPARE THE DATA BETWEEN AGENCIES, UH, BECAUSE THEY ALL COLLECT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

SO THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT THERE IS NO UNIFORM DATA COLLECTION SYSTEM.

SO WE ESSENTIALLY HAD TO CREATE OUR OWN.

UM, AND SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE COLLECT DATA DIRECTLY FROM POLICE INCIDENT REPORTS AND OFFICER NARRATIVE STATEMENTS.

SO WITHIN THOSE REPORTS AND STATEMENTS IS A FULL DETAIL OF EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED DURING, UH, A USE OF FORCE INCIDENT FROM THE TIME THE OFFICERS ARRIVED UNTIL THE INCIDENT, UH, WAS RESOLVED.

AND SO WE TAKE THOSE, UM, INCIDENT REPORTS AND OFFICER NARRATIVE STATEMENTS FROM DALLAS PD, AND WE EXTRACT UP TO 150 DIFFERENT DATA FIELDS, UH, FROM THOSE REPORTS.

AND THEN WE PRODUCE A SERIES OF DASHBOARDS, BOTH INTERNAL DASHBOARDS FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND EXTERNAL DASHBOARDS FOR THE PUBLIC.

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UM, AND OUR DATA COLLECTION MODEL, UM, LOOKS AT EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW, UH, TO FULLY ANALYZE A USE OF WAR INCIDENT.

SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE OFFICER USED FORCE.

WHAT WERE THE SITUATION AND, AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WERE GOING ON, UH, BETWEEN THE OFFICER AND THE SUBJECT AND ANY WITNESSES.

UH, WE NEED TO KNOW THE FULL DYNAMICS OF BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE OFFICER AND THE SUBJECT DURING THE USE OF FORCE INCIDENT.

AND THEN WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AFTER FORCE WAS USED.

AND WE COLLECT INFORMATION AT THE INCIDENT LEVEL WITH THINGS LIKE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION.

WE COLLECT A LOT OF DETAIL ON, UH, SUSPECT INFORMATION.

AND THEN WE ALSO COLLECT DETAILS ON THE OFFICERS INVOLVED.

UM, AND ONE OF THE CORE PIECES OF OUR SYSTEM IS OUR, UH, UH, FORCE ANALYTICS.

AND WE HAVE TWO PRIMARY ANALYTICS, THE, THE FORCE JUSTIFICATION SCORES AND THE FORCE FACTOR SCORES.

AND SO THE FORCE JUSTIFICATION SCORES LOOK AT EACH USE OF FORCE INCIDENT UNDER THE GRAHAM V CONNOR STANDARDS.

NOW, THIS IS THE 1989 SUPREME COURT CASE.

UM, BY THAT, THAT JUDGES THE, THE, THE STANDARDS FOR, UH, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL USE OF FORCE UNDER THE US CONSTITUTION.

NOW, THIS IS THE FLOOR, NO, NO USE OF FORCE IN THE COUNTRY CAN GO, GO BELOW THIS STANDARD AND BE FOUND TO BE CONSTITUTIONAL.

NOW, MANY STATES AND, AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONS MAY HAVE STANDARDS THAT ARE HIGHER THAN THE GRAM V STANDARD, BUT THIS IS A UNIFORM STANDARD, UM, THAT BY WHICH ALL USE OF FORCE JUDGED.

SO THAT'S WHY WE USE IT AS OUR STANDARDS AS WELL.

SO WE TAKE THE FOUR GRAM FACTORS, THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIME, THE THREAT TO THE OFFICER, OTHERS, THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF RESISTANCE, AND WHETHER THE SUSPECT FLED.

AND FOR EACH OF THOSE SCORES, WE GRADED ON A SCALE OF ZERO TO SIX, AND WE ADDED TOGETHER FOR A SCORE OF ZERO TO 20.

SO IF AN OFFICER USED FORCE AND IN THEIR REPORT THERE WAS NO CRIME, NO THREAT, NO RESISTANCE AND NO FLIGHT, THEN IT WOULD GET A JUSTIFICATION SCORE OF ZERO BECAUSE THE OFFICER DID NOT ARTICULATE ANY REASON UNDER THE GRAND B CONNOR STANDARDS FOR USING FORCE.

AND MOST LIKELY THAT FORCE WOULD BE FOUND TO BE UNJUSTIFIED.

NOW, UM, WE DON'T, UH, ONE IMPORTANT THING TO TO NOTE IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY, WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH CLOSED CASES, AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY MADE A, A DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT AN INDIVIDUAL USE OF FORCE INCIDENT IS OR OUT OF POLICY.

OUR SYSTEM DOES NOT CHANGE ANY OF THAT.

WE'RE NOT MAKING INDIVIDUAL JUDGMENT CALLS ABOUT WHETHER FORCE IS JUSTIFIED OR EXCESSIVE.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE SAYING, BASED ON OUR CODING CRITERIA AND THESE LEGAL STANDARDS, HERE'S A, A GENERAL RISK SCORE.

SO YOU, SO THE DEPARTMENT CAN START TO COMPARE, UM, ALL OF ITS OFFICERS AND ALL OF ITS INCIDENTS AND SEE IF THERE ARE OFFICERS THAT MAY BE DOING SOMETHING, UM, THAT THE DEPARTMENT WOULD RATHER THEY NOT DO.

OR MAYBE THERE'S SOME OFFICERS THAT ARE PERFORMING HIGHLY WELL AND HAVE VERY GOOD SCORES.

SO IT ENABLES THE DEPARTMENT TO ADJUST ITS POLICIES AND TRAINING AND SUPERVISION TO, UH, IMPROVE THEIR PRACTICES.

UM, THE SECOND, UH, SCALE THAT WE USE IS A FORCE FACTOR ANALYSIS.

AND THIS WAS DEVELOPED BY A PROFESSOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA IN THE 1990S.

AND ALL IT DOES IS IT LOOKS AT THE PROPORTIONALITY OF FORCE TO RESISTANCE.

SO WE TAKE THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF FORCE THAT THE OFFICER USED ON A SCALE OF ONE TO SEVEN, AND WE SUBTRACT THE MAXIMUM LEVEL OF RESISTANCE ON THE SAME SCALE.

AND THAT GIVES US A FORCE FACTOR SCORE.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN OFFICER USED A TASER, THAT WOULD BE A LESS LETHAL WEAPON, A LEVEL SIX FORCE AGAINST SOMEBODY WHO'S ONLY VERBALLY OR PASSIVELY RESISTING.

THAT WILL BE A LEVEL TWO RESISTANCE.

AND THAT WOULD BE A SIX MINUS TWO, WHICH IS A PLUS FOUR FORCE FACTOR, WHICH IS RELATIVELY HIGH.

UM, IF AN OFFICER WAS STRIKING A SUSPECT THAT WAS STRIKING THEM BACK THEN THAT WOULD BE A FIVE, MINUS FIVE, WHICH WOULD BE ZERO DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL FORCE TO RESISTANCE.

NOW, A HIGH FORCE FACTOR SCORE DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN, UH, AN INCIDENT IS EXCESSIVE.

IT JUST MEANS IT'S AT HIGHER RISK OF BEING FOUND TO BE EXCESSIVE, UM, THAN A CASE WITH A LOWER FORCE FACTOR SCORE.

MOST FORCE FACTORS WE FIND ARE IN THE ZERO PLUS ONE OR PLUS TWO RANGE.

THERE'S GENERALLY AN OFFICER HAS TO USE AT LEAST AS MUCH FORCE OR SLIGHTLY HIGHER LEVELS OF FORCE IN ORDER TO GAIN CONTROL OF A RESISTANT SUBJECT.

NOW FOR DALLAS PD, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE DATA IN THE SYSTEM FROM JANUARY 20, UH, JANUARY 1ST, 2021 THROUGH JUNE 30TH, 2022.

AND WE HAVE AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT'S ALSO POSTED ONLINE, UH, FOR DATA FOR 2021.

NOW, THE NEXT UPDATE WILL BE IN JULY OF THIS YEAR, AND THAT WILL BE FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS OF 2022.

AND WE WILL PRODUCE AN ANNUAL REPORT FOR DATA FROM 2022 THAT WE'LL LOOK AT 2021 AND 2022.

NOW, IN ADDITION TO THIS WRITTEN REPORT, WHICH IS POSTED ONLINE, THERE ARE A SERIES OF INTERACTIVE DASHBOARDS, UM, THAT TAKE THE DATA FROM THE SYSTEM.

AND SO THESE ARE JUST SCREENSHOTS, BUT THE DASH DASHBOARDS

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ARE FULLY INTERACTIVE.

SO A USER CAN GO ONTO THE DASHBOARD AND CLICK ON THE THINGS THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO THEM AND, AND FILTER THE DASHBOARDS, UH, BASED ON THESE FILTERS, AND BASICALLY DO, UH, VIRTUALLY AN UNLIMITED NUMBER OF QUERIES ON THE DATA.

SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF FORCE DATA, YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED USING THE DASHBOARDS.

THE SECOND SET OF DASHBOARDS THAT WE HAVE IS DATA JUST THAT WE GOT FROM L P D FOR, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

DALLAS HAS POSTED, UM, UH, SUMMARIES OF THEIR OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING INCIDENTS, UH, ONLINE.

UH, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN THAT DATA, WE'VE EXTRACTED THAT DATA, AND WE'VE PRODUCED DASHBOARD THAT SUMMARIZES ALL THE DATA GOING BACK TO 20, UH, OR SORRY, 2003.

AND, UH, SO WE HAVE ALMOST, UH, WELL, WE DO A 20 YEARS WORTH OF DATA.

THIS WILL ALSO BE UPDATED ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UM, SO IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, 272 SUBJECTS THAT WERE, UH, INVOLVED IN AN, UH, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING INCIDENT.

UH, AND THERE WERE 455, UH, OFFICERS INVOLVED IN THOSE INCIDENTS.

SO WE CAN SEE HERE THE TREND OVER TIME IN TERMS OF SUBJECTS, THE TREND OVER TIME, AND THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS INVOLVED, UH, TRENDS BY MONTH, SUBJECT CHARACTERISTICS, OFFICER CHARACTERISTICS, AND LOCATION.

AND AGAIN, THESE ARE FULLY INTERACTIVE DASHBOARDS.

SO YOU CAN CLICK ON ANY ELEMENT THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT AND FILTERING ON THOSE ELEMENTS.

UM, JUST A, UH, A FEW, THESE ARE JUST A FEW, UH, UH, SCREENSHOTS FROM THE, UH, WRITTEN REPORT JUST TO SHOW YOU SOME OF THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE, UH, UH, BOTH IN THE DASHBOARDS AND IN THE REPORT.

UM, THIS IS LOOKING AT, UM, LESS LETHAL WEAPON USE, UH, OVER TIME.

UM, NOW THIS DATA ACTUALLY GOES BACK TO 2014 BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT HAS A SYSTEM CALLED IPRO BLUE TEAM, WHICH THEY, UH, UH, STARTED USING IN 2014.

AND THIS, THIS, UM, DATA IS LESS EXTENSIVE THAN THE DATA THAT WE COLLECT IN OUR SYSTEM, BUT IT PROVIDES YOU FOR PERSPECTIVE, FOR LONG-TERM TRENDS AND PATTERNS ON SOME BASIC DATA ELEMENTS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN SEE FOR EC W'S ELECTRONIC CONTROL WEAPON, WHICH IS A TASER.

UM, WE CAN SEE THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF, OF INCIDENTS WHERE A TASER WAS USED, AND THEN THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL INCIDENTS FOR THAT YEAR.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN 2014 AND 2015 IT LOOKED LIKE, UM, TASERS WERE PROBABLY BEING PURCHASED AND PHASED IN.

AND THEN ON AVERAGE, WE HAVE ABOUT 15, 16, 17% OF ALL USE OF FORCE EACH YEAR SINCE THEN, UH, SINCE 2016 HAS BEEN INVOLVED.

A TASER, UM, FOR, UH, CANINE USE, WE CAN SEE IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY RARE.

THESE ARE ALL CANINE BITES, UM, AND USUALLY LESS THAN 2%, UM, FOR PROJECTILE WEAPONS.

SO THESE COULD BE, UH, USUALLY, UH, LIKE BEANBAG, SHOTGUNS OR SPONGE ROUNDS.

UH, WE CAN SEE THE, UH, PEAK HERE IN 2020.

AND THESE ARE MOST LIKELY PROTEST RELATED.

UM, UH, AND CROWD CONTROL MANAGEMENT, UM, INCIDENTS, UM, THE USE OF FORCE GENERALLY, UM, CHANGES, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES BOTH FROM YEAR TO YEAR, UH, IN, IN, IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS DEPENDING, UH, BECAUSE USE OF FORCE IS DRIVEN, UH, PRIMARILY BY SUBJECT BEHAVIOR.

SO IF YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR CRIME PROBLEM THAT'S EVOLVING, IF YOU HAVE MORE RESISTANCE SUBJECTS OR SUBJECTS ARE MORE LIKELY TO FLEE, YOU'LL SEE DIFFERENT PATTERNS AND CHANGES, UM, IN, IN, IN THE, UH, JURISDICTION.

SO HERE WE CAN SEE THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE OF TOTAL USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS BY DALLAS PD DIVISION.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT IN CENTRAL, UH, UH, THEY MADE UP ABOUT, UH, 15, 14%, UH, OF ALL USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS IN 2015, AND THEN IT SHOT UP TO ABOUT 20, UH, 5% IN, UH, 2017.

AND THEN IT'S BEEN GOING DOWN.

AND YOU CAN SEE JUST THE DIFFERENCES IN PATTERNS BY THE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.

UM, ANOTHER, UM, UH, LONG-TERM PATTERN THAT WE HAVE, UH, OR DATA THAT WE HAVE ARE FOR, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE FORCE USED AGAINST THEM, AND THEY'RE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL OR DRUGS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE, IF THERE ARE ANY MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES INVOLVED IN THE USE OF FORCE INCIDENT.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT AT LEAST IN, IN RECENT YEARS, CERTAINLY SINCE 2018, THE PERCENTAGE OF BOTH INDIVIDUALS, UH, UNDER THE INFLUENCE AS WELL AS ME IN INDIVIDUALS OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, HAS BEEN DECLINING, UM, UH, IN THE PERCENTAGE OF ALL USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, A NUMBER OF, UM, DIFFERENT, UM, UH, ANALYSES IN THE WRITTEN REPORT LOOKING AT, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC DISPARITIES.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF OF DETAIL IN THE REPORT ABOUT OUR METHODOLOGIES, UM, AND WHICH ARE, ARE, UM, MORE E EXTENSIVE AND MORE SCIENTIFIC THAN USING A SIMPLE POPULATION BENCHMARK.

AND ALL OF THAT IS DETAILED, UH, IN, IN GREAT DE DE DETAIL

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IN THE REPORT.

UH, BUT JUST A QUICK SUMMARY.

UM, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT DEMOGRAPHIC DISPARITIES COMPARED TO THE POPULATION, UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LIMITATIONS BECAUSE THE POPULATION DOES NOT NECESSARILY REPRESENT THE, UM, THE POPULATION OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AT RISK OF BEING STOPPED, UH, DETAINED, ARRESTED, OR HAVE WORSE USED AGAINST THEM.

SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, DEMOGRAPHIC DISPARITIES BY RACE IN TERMS OF USE OF FORCE VERSUS THE POPULATION, WE SEE THAT FOR, UH, BLACK INDIVIDUALS, YOU HAVE ALMOST, UH, THEY'RE ALMOST TWO AND A HALF TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAVE FORCE USED AGAINST THEM THAN THEIR POPULATION.

WHEREAS HISPANICS, UH, WHITE SUBJECTS AND ASIAN SUBJECTS AND NATIVE AMERICANS ARE ALL UNDERREPRESENTED IN TERMS OF USE OF FORCE COMPARED TO POPULATION.

BUT WHEN WE COM, WHEN WE CONTROL FOR ARREST, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FORCE USED AGAINST YOU UNLESS, UH, YOU'RE BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.

AND SO, UM, UH, ARRESTS ARE ACTUALLY THE BEST BENCHMARK TO MEASURE DISPARITIES, UM, UH, WITH USE OF FORCE.

AND WHEN WE SEE, WHEN WE CONTROL FOR ARRESTS, WE SEE THAT THE DISPARITIES ESSENTIALLY GO AWAY FOR ALL RACIAL GROUPS EXCEPT FOR NATIVE AMERICANS, AND THEY'RE 80% MORE LIKELY AFTER AN ARREST TO HAVE FORCE USED AGAINST THEM.

UM, BUT THE THING TO BEAR IN MIND FOR NATIVE AMERICANS IS THAT THE NUMBER OF NATIVE AMERICANS INVOLVED IN USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS IS USUALLY LESS THAN 10 PER YEAR.

SO WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH VERY SMALL NUMBERS, A CHANGE OF JUST ONE OR TWO CAN DRAMATICALLY IMPACT THESE, UH, DISPARITY RATES.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUICK PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER, UH, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. SCALES.

UM, I DEFINITELY HAVE A, A FEW QUESTIONS.

UH, WELL, FIRST, FIRST, UH, I HAD A REQUEST FROM A BOARD MEMBER.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN SEND US THOSE SLIDES? SURE.

OH, THAT'D BE GREAT.

UM, AND, UM, IF YOU'LL LEAVE THAT SCREEN UP FOR A MOMENT, I WOULD, I'D DEFINITELY LIKE TO CAPTURE THAT, THAT WAY WE CAN, WE CAN REACH OUT TO YOU IN THE FUTURE.

UM, IF I MAY BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU MIND IF I START OFF WITH A, WITH A QUESTION OR TWO? THANK YOU.

UM, SO AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING OF YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW THE FBI DOESN'T NECESSARILY SHARE THEIR DATA, UM, NOT ONLY WITH YOU, BUT I THINK THEY'RE NOT SHARING IT WITH ANY OF, UH, THE POLICE FORCES.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

ALL RIGHT.

SO CAN THAT BEING SAID, CAN WE EXPECT D P D TO SET THE EXAMPLE AND SHARE THIS DATA WITH THE PUBLIC AND THIS BOARD ? WELL, THEY ARE, UH, IN FACT, THEY'RE SHARING MUCH, MUCH MORE OKAY THAN, THAN THE FBI IS COLLECTING.

AND SO THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, SO THE FBI IS ONLY COLLECTING DATA ON DEADLY FORCE AND SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, WHICH IS ABOUT, UH, USUALLY LESS THAN, LESS THAN 5% OF ALL USES OF FORCE.

OKAY.

UH, UH, DALLAS PD IS PROVIDING INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC ON ALL USES OF FORCE, UM, OVER, OVER, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A MULTIPLE YEAR PERIOD, UM, AS WELL AS DETAILED INFORMATION ON ALL DEADLY FORCE INCIDENTS.

SO DALLAS PD IS GOING WAY BEYOND WHAT THE FBI WAS DOING, EVEN IF THE FBI RELEASED THE DATA.

NO, I, MR. SCOTT, I, I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT, BUT I, I THINK, AND I SHOULD HAVE, I SHOULD HAVE, UM, UH, PREFACED IT WITH, UH, DIRECTING IT TOWARDS MAJOR ALANISE, MAJOR ALANISE.

I MEAN, UH, I, I HEARD WHAT MR. SCALE SAYS THAT, UM, THAT THE DATA, THE DATA IS BEING SHARED.

UM, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF DATA THAT'S BEING COLLECTED RIGHT NOW WOULD YOU ANTICIPATE BEING BEHIND THE FIREWALL THAT IS NOT TRANSPARENT? UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT'S NOT WEIRD IS I BELIEVE WE ARE BEING TRANSPARENT.

UM, I THINK ANYONE RIGHT NOW CAN ACTUALLY GO TO OUR HOMEPAGE.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THIS ALONG WITH OTHER REPORTS THAT WE HAD PUBLISHED ON OUR HOMEPAGE, UH, YEARS PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL REGARDING THE USE OF FORCE REPORT THAT I BELIEVE WAS GOING OUT ANNUALLY.

AND THERE WAS ALSO A, UM, SYNOPSIS OF THE OFFICER MOB SHOOTINGS.

I THINK WHAT THIS DOES, OBVIOUSLY IT EXPANDS ON THAT IT'S A LOT MORE IN DEPTH, AND IT WON'T BE DONE JUST YEARLY.

UM, AS MR SCALE STATED, THE QUARTERLY REPORTS WILL BE GOING OUT, UM, AND READILY AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS.

OKAY.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALL STRUGGLE WITH, UM, AS BOARD MEMBERS IS KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR DISTRICTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE TALKED TO, WE TALKED TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, BUT, AND I MEAN THAT BY THE SEEING THE DATA.

SO MR. SCALES IS THERE,

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OR, OR, OR, AND MAJOR ES, HAS THERE BEEN A REQUEST TO MAYBE ADD A, UH, GIS LAYER THAT INCORPORATES, UH, YOU KNOW, THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS? THAT WAY WE CAN, THAT WAY? I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO NARROW IT DOWN AND BE ABLE TO GO, ALL RIGHT, HERE'S, FOR EXAMPLE, D SEVEN, AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO ASSIST, UM, GETTING THE WORD OUT, OR, HEY, WHY, WHY IS, WHY IS THE USE OF FORCE IN THIS AREA SO HIGH, YOU KNOW? AND, AND IT WOULD HELP US, UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORTS AS WELL.

YES, SIR.

SO IF I MAY, IF YOU LOOK ON THE, WHICH AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SCREENSHOTS ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU, BUT ANYONE CAN ACTUALLY ACCESS THE PLATFORM, UM, ONLINE, AND THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AT WHATEVER DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, ANY ZIP CODE THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO GO INTO.

UM, THERE'S SEVERAL FILTERS.

AGAIN, IF THERE'S A CERTAIN INTEREST THAT YOU HAVE, YOU CAN UTILIZE THOSE FILTERS ON THERE SO THAT IT'LL PROVIDE YOU THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT, UM, YOUR PARTNER NEXT TO YOU IS LOOKING FOR.

OKAY.

YES.

AND, AND JUST, JUST SO YOU, UH, TO, TO, UM, UH, BUILD ON WHAT MAJOR ALLEN SAID.

UM, SO WE HAVE ON, ON THE SCREENSHOT HERE, AGAIN, THESE AREN'T THE INTERACTIVE ONES, BUT ON, ON THE LEFT HERE, WE HAVE IT BY ZIP CODE.

THESE ARE THE ACTUAL INDIVIDUAL INCIDENT LOCATIONS.

AND ON THE INTERACTIVE DASHBOARDS, YOU CAN, YOU CAN LASSO OR, OR, OR CIRCLE OR, OR SELECT ANY AREA IN THE CITY, AND IT WILL ZOOM DOWN AND ALL THE DASHBOARDS WILL ZOOM TO THAT AREA.

SO YOU'LL ONLY BE LOOKING AT THE DATA.

WE ALSO HAVE A FILTER ON THE RIGHT, WHICH ARE DIVISIONS, WHICH ARE, SO YOU CAN FILTER BY DALLAS, UH, PD DIVISION.

SO BETWEEN THESE THREE, YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, UM, GEOGRAPHIC, UM, CAPABILITY ON THE DASHBOARDS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO, SO WE CAN, WE CAN DRILL DOWN INTO SPECIFIC AREAS, BUT IT'S STILL NOT LIKE, I CAN'T JUST GO ON AND JUST PULL D SEVEN DATA.

WELL, THE, THE, THE, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE, THE, THE PUBLIC DASHBOARDS IS THAT, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE FOR THE PUBLIC.

AND SO, SO IF, IF, IF WE GET, UM, REQUESTS FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME, I MEAN, AND WE'VE MADE A NUMBER OF MODIFICATIONS IN DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS WHEN WE GET FEEDBACK, AND THEN, UH, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT, UH, THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, THEN WE CAN CHANGE THESE DASHBOARDS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS, IF THERE WAS A NEED TO HAVE, UM, THE, THE DATA ACTUALLY AGGREGATED BY COUNCIL DISTRICT, UM, THEN WE WOULD NEED TO GET THE, THE, UH, A SHAPE FILE, A GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARY FILE OF THOSE DISTRICTS, WHICH I'M SURE ARE READILY AVAILABLE.

YES, SIR.

AND WE COULD ADD A FILTER ON THE RIGHT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT.

RIGHT.

AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S A RELATIVELY EASY THING TO DO.

YEAH, I THINK SO TOO.

I THINK SO TOO.

AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET THOSE SHAPE FILES LOADED ONTO, ONTO THAT GIS PLATFORM? UM, I WON'T HOG UP THE REST OF THE TIME.

I'LL START OFF WITH D ONE D ONE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? YES.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UH, MR. SCALES, JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

I SAW THAT YOU STATED THAT THE DATA HERE IS FROM JANUARY 1ST, 2021 THROUGH 2022 IS, WELL, FIRST, LET ME ASK ALL OF THE DATA THAT YOU'RE INCORPORATING THROUGH THIS TIME PERIOD, IS THAT ALL PULLED FROM, UM, ARREST REPORTS? YEAH, SO THERE ARE, UM, SEVERAL REPORTS.

SO WE HAVE THE, THE INCIDENT REPORT, WE HAVE THE IPRO BLUE TEAM DATA, AND THEN WE HAVE THE ARREST REPORT.

UM, SO, SO DATA'S EXTRACTED FROM ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THOSE SOURCES AND, AND THE ARREST REPORTS AND THE INCIDENT REPORTS ALSO INCLUDE OFFICER NARRATIVE STATEMENTS AND DATA'S EXTRACTED FROM THOSE.

OKAY.

SO AGAIN, MY QUESTION THEN IS IF WE'RE GONNA USE THE POLICE FORCE ANALYSIS SYSTEM TO KIND OF DO, UH, ANALYSIS OF OUR OFFICERS, SOME OF THE INCIDENTS THAT THEY'RE, UM, INVOLVED IN, ARE WE GOING TO DO A LOOK BACK? IS IT GONNA GO FURTHER BACK TO DO MORE OF A TIME SERIES ANALYSIS? WELL, WE HAVE DONE THAT, BUT ONLY FOR THE, UM, ONLY USING THE IPRO BLUE TEAM DATA.

SO THE IPRO BLUE TEAM DATA GOES BACK TO, UM, 2014.

SO THAT IS IN THE, IN THE WRITTEN REPORT.

UM, THE, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH IPRO BLUE TEAM DATA IS THAT IT, IT, IT, IT CONTAINS ABOUT A QUARTER OF ALL THE DATA ELEMENTS THAT WE COLLECT UNDER OUR SYSTEM.

SO WE CAN'T DO AN IN-DEPTH, UH, ANALYSIS OF THE HISTORICAL DATA, UH, PRIOR TO 2021.

THE, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT IT'S, IT'S A VERY, VERY TIME CONSUMING, UM, UH, SYSTEM, UH, MANUAL SYSTEM TO EXTRACT ALL OF THE DATA ELEMENTS

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THAT WE NEED TO DO THE ANALYSIS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE STARTED WITH, UH, JANUARY, 2021.

BUT WE DO HAVE THE BASIC DATA, WHICH HAS STILL HAS QUITE A LOT OF INFORMATION.

WE JUST CAN'T DO THE IN-DEPTH, UH, LEGAL ANALYSIS OF THE DATA GOING BACK TO 2014.

AND THEN, AND THEN UPDATING, WE'LL BE DOING QUARTERLY UPDATES, UM, AND WE'LL FINISH, UH, THE, THE LAST PART OF 2022 NEXT MONTH.

UM, AND, AND SO THERE WILL BE ANNUAL WRITTEN REPORTS AND THEN QUARTERLY DASHBOARD UPDATES MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, COUPLE MORE.

UH, I WAS ALSO WONDERING IF, YOU KNOW, IF THESE REPORTS, I MEAN, IF THESE DASHBOARDS ARE BUILT OFF OF POLICE WRITTEN INCIDENT REPORTS, THERE SEEMS THAT THERE CAN BE SOME SUBJECTIVITY INVOLVED IN THAT.

AND I WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW DO YOU BUILD YOUR ANALYSIS ACCOUNT FOR THOSE POTENTIAL SUBJECTIVENESS TO THEN GIVE OUT A REPORT? SO DO YOU, DO YOU QUALIFY THAT IN ANY WAY AND HOW? YEAH, GREAT QUESTION.

SO THE, THE ONE THING TO BEAR IN MIND IS THAT, IS THAT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, INVESTIGATING THESE CASES, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UM, INTERVIEWING WITNESSES, INTERVIEWING SUBJECTS, UM, LOOKING AT BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE, COLLECTING EVIDENCE, TAKING PICTURES.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANY OF THAT.

UM, BUT THAT IS BEING DONE BY THE DEPARTMENT.

SO WHENEVER THERE'S A USE OF FORCE, UM, THE DEPARTMENT WILL INVESTIGATE USING THEIR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND ENTER THAT DATA INTO THEIR IPRO BLUE TEAM SYSTEM.

AND THEN THAT WILL GO, THAT, THAT INVESTIGATION WILL GO UP AND DOWN THE CHAIN AND FOR DETERMINATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT USE OF FORCE WAS IN OR OUTTA POLICY.

SO THE DEPARTMENT IS DOING BASICALLY ALL OF THE QUALITY CONTROL CHECK FOR US.

UM, AND SO, SO WE SIMPLY TAKE, WE, WE TAKE CLOSED REPORTS.

SO AFTER THEY'VE BEEN INVESTIGATED AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND, AND, AND VERIFIED, THEN WE TAKE THOSE REPORTS AND WE EXTRACT ALL THE DATA WE CAN FROM THOSE REPORTS.

UM, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A, FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A DISPUTE.

LET, LET'S SAY THAT THE, THE SUSPECT SAID, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICER KICKED ME IN THE FACE AND, AND THE OFFICER SAID, NO, I, I, I, UH, HIT THEM IN THE CHEST.

UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T SORT OF RESOLVE ANY DISCREPANCIES THAT, THAT, THAT IS FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO DO.

IF THERE'S A, A CONFLICT AND, AND WE'RE NOT DETERMINING THE VERACITY OF THE STATEMENTS, WE'RE SIMPLY TAKING, UM, THE STATEMENTS FROM THE OFFICERS AND CODIFYING THAT DATA AND THEN PUTTING IT INTO A RELATIONAL DATABASE AND DASHBOARDS.

OKAY.

SO JUST TO BUILD OFF THAT, I, I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO THEN, IS THERE ONE IS IN YOUR REPORT, DOES IT TRICK, UH, SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT THIS IS JUST COMING FROM INCIDENT REPORTS? YES.

IT, IT, IT, SO IS THERE A DISCLAIMER THERE IN THE REPORT? YES.

THAT, THAT ALL OF THIS DATA IS COMING FROM, UH, THE INCIDENT REPORTS AND THE OFFICER NARRATIVE STATEMENTS THEMSELVES.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT, YOU USED AN EXAMPLE OF IF AN OFFICER'S WRITES THE INCIDENT REPORT IN ONE WAY, AND THEN A POTENTIAL, UM, A CITIZEN, LET'S JUST CALL 'EM A CITIZEN, UH, CONTRADICTS, UM, THAT INTERACTION AND SAY THAT THEY WERE NOT, THAT THEY WERE KICKED IN THE FACE.

WHEN ARE YOU PULLING YOUR DATA? WHEN IS THAT AND MAYBE, UH, MAJOR ALANISE? WHEN ARE, WHEN IS THAT HAPPENING? BECAUSE WE, AS THE POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD COULD BE REVIEWING A CASE WHERE THERE'S SOME DISCREPANCY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT BODY-WORN CAMERA, OR, YOU KNOW, A CLOSED CAPTION CAMERA THAT MAY ACTUALLY AGREE WITH THE CITIZEN THAT THEY WERE KICKED IN THE FACE AND IT WAS NOT IN THE REPORT.

BUT IF YOU RAN THAT AND SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS POLICE FORCE ANALYSIS SYSTEM SAYS THAT THIS IS A FACTOR SEVEN, WHEN REALLY IT COULD HAVE BEEN A FACTOR ZERO, OR, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I THINK I REMEMBER HOW YOUR SCALE WENT.

YEP.

BUT WHEN IS THAT TIMELINE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING THE FULL CASE AND IT HAS BEEN KIND OF TOTALLY RESOLVED, IF YOU WILL.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S GONNA BE KIND OF A TWO PART SCENARIO.

OKAY.

UM, SO I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ANY TIME AN OFFICER HAS TO SUBMIT AN ENTRY INTO BLUE TEAM RELATED TO THEIR USE OF FORCE.

IT IS NOT JUST AUTOMATICALLY SENT OVER TO THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.

UM, THERE'S ACT, I'M SORRY.

THERE'S ACTUALLY A PROCESS THAT IS IN PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE A FIRST LINE AND SECOND LINE SUPERVISOR THAT WILL NEED TO REVIEW THAT.

THEY REVIEW THE BODY CAM, THEY REVIEW THE INCIDENT TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THE OFFICER DOCUMENTED IS WHAT THEY'RE FINDING ON BODY-WORN CAMERA.

AND WITH THAT, UH, REPORT, WHETHER IT BE AN OFFENSE REPORT, A MISCELLANEOUS INCIDENT REPORT, OR AN ARREST REPORT, UM, THEN THAT IS AFTER THOSE APPROVALS HAPPENED, THAT'S WHEN IT HAD SENT TO US.

AND THEN, WELL, THAT'S

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WHERE, UH, MR. SCALES AND THE DATA IS EVENTUALLY PULLED FROM IA PRO.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE AVENUE.

UM, THE OTHER AVENUE WOULD BE, WELL, IF, IF WE WERE TO RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, THEN YES, WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION THERE.

SHOULD THE CITIZEN COME IN, THEN WE WOULD, ID WOULD THEN LOOK AT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND THE REPORTS AND, AND THAT TO VET THAT COMPLAINT.

UM, AND I APOLOGIZE, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE OPTIONS.

THE THIRD WOULD THEN BE WHEN WE, THE DEPARTMENT, ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THESE DASHBOARDS OURSELVES TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SEEING.

SO LET'S SAY WE DO HAVE, UM, ONE OF THE REPORTS THAT HE GENERATES, IF HE'S ABLE TO SHOW US WHERE WE HAVE OFFICER, LET'S SAY MYSELF, RIGHT, UH, WAS INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT AND, AND THE FORCE LOOKS LIKE IT'S HIGH, WELL, WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND NOW ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT INCIDENT AND SEE WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE.

AND THEN WE AS A DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.

WHETHER IT'S TAKING A LOOK AT SHOULD THIS HAVE BEEN AN INVESTIGATION FOR US TO INVESTIGATE THIS, UM, WAS EVERYTHING COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED? AND MAYBE NOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR TRAINING, UH, WHAT BEST PRACTICES THERE ARE OUT THERE FOR HANDLING THIS TYPE OF SITUATION.

AGAIN, THERE THERE'LL BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES WITH THIS REPORT THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE INTERNALLY AS WELL FOR ADDRESSING SITUATIONS LIKE THAT.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? IT DOES.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL THE TIME, BUT JUST MAYBE ONE CLARIFICATION FOR ME.

IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GO DOWN ONE OF THOSE PATHS AND IT GOES TO IDEA, AND YOU'RE SHARING THIS INFORMATION WITH THE SYSTEM, AND THE CASE IS NOT RESOLVED, IF YOU WILL, LIKE THE CITIZEN HAS COME FORWARD A COMPLAINT TO OUR BOARD, AND WE'RE REVIEWING IT, AND WE FIND THAT WHAT THE OFFICER PUT IN THE REPORT REALLY CONTRADICTS, HAS THAT INFORMATION ALREADY GONE INTO THE DATABASE AND IS REFLECTING ONE OUTCOME, WHEN WE ARE INVESTIGATING AN ANOTHER OUTCOME MAY, UM, COME, COME TO LIGHT.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHEN THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS, THE TIMING OF THAT, BECAUSE ACTUALLY SOMETHING COULD CHANGE AND THEN WOULD THAT DATA GET CHANGED? SO THE, THE DATA THAT MR. SCALES IS LOOKING AT IS JUST LOOKING AT THE FORCE, NOT ACT.

SO AGAIN, HIS, HIS METRICS, THE WAY THE, THE GRADING SYSTEM IS THAT THAT'S GONNA BE ONE THING.

IT'S DIFFERENT ONCE WE ARE LOOKING AT IT TO SEE IF THERE WERE ANY INTERNAL VIOLATIONS OR A, A WAY THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED DIFFERENTLY.

THAT THAT IS SOMETHING SEPARATE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

AND IF, IF I COULD JUST ADD SOMETHING HERE.

SO, SO THE IMPORTANT THING TO, TO SORT OF DISTINGUISH HERE IS THAT IS THAT THE DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS INTERNAL IT SYSTEMS THAT THEY USE FOR USE OF FORCE INVESTIGATIONS AND FOR COMPLAINT REVIEWS AND, AND THOSE INVESTIGATIONS AND THIS, THIS, THIS, OUR SYSTEM DOES NOT SORT OF INTERACT WITH THOSE AND, AND IT DOES NOT, YOU KNOW, REPLACE OR SUPPLEMENT THOSE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, THOSE ARE LOOKING AT INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS AND INDIVIDUAL CASES, INDIVIDUAL OFFICERS.

OUR SYSTEM IS LOOKING AT THE, AT THE AGGREGATE.

SO IT IS POSSIBLE, SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GETTING CLOSED INVESTIGATIONS, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT OVER TIME SOMETHING IN THAT MAY CHANGE, THERE MAY BE NEW EVIDENCE COME TO LIGHT, THERE MAY BE NEW STATEMENTS OR A COMPLAINT FILED LATER ON.

OUR SYSTEM WOULD NOT GO BACK AND CHANGE.

AND, AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, UM, THAT WOULD NOT REALLY IMPACT OUR SYSTEM AT ALL BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT AGGREGATED DATA OF THOUSANDS OF INCIDENTS.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT PATTERNS AND TRENDS IN THE DATA AND NOT FOCUS ON INDIVIDUAL, UM, INCIDENTS.

THANK YOU, MR. SCALES.

THANK YOU.

BOARD MEMBER SMITH, UH, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES.

ANY QUESTIONS, SIR? UM, YEAH, I GOT A, I GUESS I GOT A COUPLE.

UM, YOU SAID THIS REPORT, THIS DASHBOARD WILL NOT, OR IT CAN, BUT IT DOESN'T NOW BREAK DOWN BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, CORRECT? CORRECT.

YOU, YOU CAN, YOU CAN, IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES ARE, YOU CAN USE THE DASHBOARD TO APPROXIMATE.

UM, BUT WE, WE COULD, IF WE HAVE THE SHAPE FILES, UM, WE CAN EASILY ADD A FILTER FOR THE COUNCIL DISTRICT.

WHAT ABOUT BY ZIP CODES OR NEIGHBORHOODS? WE HA WE DO HAVE IT BY ZIP CODE.

SO, SO HERE ON, ON THE, ON THE UPPER LEFT OF THIS ONE HERE, THESE ARE BY ZIP CODE.

SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT INTERACTIVE, BUT WHEN YOU HOVER OVER THIS ON THE DASHBOARD, IT WILL SHOW THE ZIP CODE AND THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS.

AND THEN IF YOU CLICK ON THAT ZIP CODE, OR YOU CAN CLICK ON MULTIPLE ZIP CODES, THEN IT WILL FILTER EVERYTHING TO THOSE ZIP CODES.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE ACTUAL INCIDENT LOCATIONS.

SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN, UM, UH, CIRCLE OR LASSO,

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UH, OR, OR AT THOSE AREAS, AND THEN IT WILL FILTER TO JUST WHAT YOU SELECT.

MM-HMM.

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MM-HMM.

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UM, IS THIS UP AND RUNNING NOW, OR, OR WHEN WILL IT BE LIVE? IT, IT'S BEEN UP SINCE MARCH AND IT RUNS IN REAL TIME.

YE YES.

WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE DA THE DASHBOARDS WILL BE UPDATED ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.

UM, BUT THE, THE, THE INTERACTIVE, THEY'RE ALL INTERACTIVE DASHBOARDS.

SO YOU CAN INTERACT WITH THE DATA IN, IN, IN THE SYSTEM AND QUERY THE DATA HOWEVER YOU WANT.

SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SELECT WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT A PARTICULAR AGE, RACE, AND GENDER OF SUBJECT, A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, A PARTICULAR TIMEFRAME, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU CAN INTERACT WITH THE DATA.

MM-HMM.

, BUT IT BEING THAT IT'S UPDATED QUARTERLY, IF WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE.

NO.

HMM.

AND THAT'S, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AGAIN, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE HAVE TO DO THE SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE, THE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE AN IT SYSTEM THAT HAS ALL THIS DATA.

WE HAVE TO CREATE THE DATABASE, WHICH IS A MANUAL LABOR INTENSIVE PROCESS.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S, THERE'S THE DELAY IN GETTING THE DATA OUT THERE.

BUT USUALLY IF YOU LOOK AT NORMALLY STUDIES LIKE THIS THAT ARE DONE ON POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND USE OF FORCE, USUALLY THOSE STUDIES TAKE TWO OR THREE YEARS.

SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A REAL TIME UPDATE, BY GETTING QUARTERLY UPDATES A FEW MONTHS BEHIND, IT'S STILL MUCH FASTER THAN MOST AGENCIES ARE UPDATING THEIR, THEIR USE OF FORCE DATA.

OKAY.

WELL, I, I, WE, WE APPRECIATE IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING GREAT, BUT WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.

I'D LOVE TO SEE THIS IN COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES, BUT, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU MR. RAINS.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO DISTRICT 11.

MS. STEINFELD, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

DISTRICT 12, MS. WEER, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

DISTRICT 13, DAVID KUTNER.

UH, JUST ONE QUESTION FOR MR. SCALES.

UH, HOW MANY OTHER CITIES, UH, ARE USING YOUR ANALYSIS SYSTEM? SO WE HAVE, UM, UH, ABOUT A HUNDRED AGENCIES IN EIGHT STATES, UH, THAT, THAT WE HAVE DATA FOR.

AND NOT ALL AGENCIES HAVE CHOSEN TO MAKE THEIR DASHBOARDS PUBLIC.

SOME JUST USE INTERNAL DASHBOARDS.

UM, DALLAS PD IS THE, IS THE LARGEST AGENCY THAT WE HAVE, UM, UH, CURRENTLY.

UM, AND SAN JOSE IS THE SECOND LARGEST AGENCY.

MOST OF THE AGENCIES, MAJORITY OF THE AGENCIES ARE IN WASHINGTON STATE WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE'RE BASED.

UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT OUR DATA SYSTEM IS BECAUSE WE'RE COLLECTING DATA IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, UH, FROM EVERY AGENCY, REGARDLESS OF THEIR OWN REPORTING SYSTEMS, ABLE TO MAKE MEANINGFUL INTER-AGENCY COMPARISONS FOR THE FIRST TIME, UM, THAT, THAT NOBODY ELSE IS ABLE TO DO.

OKAY.

WELL, THAT, THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE INTENT OF MY QUESTION TO KNOW IF AT SOME POINT THERE WOULD BE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME COMPARISON.

UH, SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SIMILARLY SITUATED CITIES LIKE DALLAS FOR YOU TO DO THAT.

SOMETHING.

IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? HELLO, MR. VICE CHAIR, ARE YOU THERE? MR. SCALES? CAN YOU HEAR US? WE LOST IT.

LOOKS LIKE HE DROPPED.

CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING OUT HERE.

HE MIGHT HAVE DROPPED.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THAT'S FINE.

HE MIGHT HAVE JUST, HELLO? THEY CAN'T HEAR US.

THAT'S FINE.

WE CAN'T HEAR MAJOR AISE.

CAN YOU HEAR US? CAN YOU GUYS HEAR US? MAJOR ALANISE? CAN YOU HEAR US, SIR? WE CAN HEAR YOU, MR. MR. SCALES.

CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

OKAY, GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU'RE BACK.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE GOT GREMLINS IN THE SYSTEM.

OKAY.

UM, MR. KITNER, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? UH, TH THAT'S REALLY IT.

I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY WAY TO DO ANY MEANINGFUL COMPARISONS WITH OTHER CITIES.

SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH COMPARABLE CITIES FOR YOU TO DO THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT HOPEFULLY SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE WE WILL.

SO THANK YOU.

WELL, AND JUST, JUST SO YOU KNOW, IN THE WRITTEN REPORT, UM, WE DO HAVE THE, UM, UH, COMPARATIVE DATA AS WELL.

SO EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY, UH, DEPARTMENT THE SIZE OF DALLAS PD, I, I THINK THAT THERE STILL ARE VERY MEANINGFUL COMPARISONS, UM, THAT CAN BE MADE, UH, BECAUSE USE OF FORCE PRACTICES ARE SIMILAR ACROSS AGENCIES, REGARDLESS OF LOCATION AND SIZE.

AND SO BECAUSE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, DATA COLLECTED IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AND WE'RE LOOKING AT PERCENTAGES, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE SOME MEANINGFUL COMPARISONS.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

AND MR. FRIEDMAN, NO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

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OKAY.

ANY, ANY, UH, ANY, I, I WANNA THANK YOU MR. SCALES FOR, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU.

MAJOR ALANISE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US.

YES, SIR.

IT WAS A PLEASURE.

RIGHT? OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UM, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM TWO B GUADALUPE FRIAS, UH, REVIEW AND DECISION REGARDING INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY O C P O.

UH, MR. WILLIAMS, YOU WANNA LEAD OFF ON THIS MR. CHAIRMAN BOARD CHAIRMAN? UM, THIS IS A REVIEW AND DECISION.

OKAY.

UH, MR. WILLIAMS, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE WITH YOUR, WITH YOUR, UH, WITH YOUR MIC.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

WE CAN SEE YOU, UM, BUT WE CAN, WE REALLY CAN'T HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU TRY AGAIN? CHECK ONE, TWO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH.

IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S STRANGE, BUT OUR, OUR, OUR COMMS ARE GOING IN AND OUT.

IT GOES UP AND IT GOES DOWN.

TRY IT AGAIN, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? NO.

YEAH, NO, I CAN'T HEAR YOU.

IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT GOOD.

DO YOU WANT TO ? WHAT, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SHOW US? YOU HAVE A VIDEO? I, I HAVE, UM, YEP, YOU COMPLETELY DROPPED.

NOW.

CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEP.

BARELY, BARELY.

YOU CAN HEAR ME? BARELY.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE VALVE? CAN YOU JUST SPEAK UP AS LOUD AS YOU CAN? IS THIS BETTER? NO, NO, NO.

IT'S NOT ANY BETTER.

I'M SORRY.

WELL, IF HE'S HERE, WHY DID HE, WHY DIDN'T HE COME DOWN HERE? WHAT? CAN YOU, CAN YOU COME DOWN HERE AND DO IT FROM HERE? I SURE CAN.

OKAY.

I SURE CAN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL DO CHECK.

IS THIS BETTER? ALL RIGHT.

HEY, IN.

YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

SO CAN CAN YOU JUST QUICKLY GIVE US A, HOW ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE WATCHED THE VIDEO AND LISTENED TO THE INTERVIEWS? OKAY.

YES.

SO, UM, DO YOU WANT TO PICK UP FROM WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR, UH, I'LL GIVE PLAN OF ACTION.

I'LL GIVE THE ALLEGATION AND I'LL GIVE THE, THE SUMMARY.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE, THE SUMMARY OF D P D AND, UM, INTEGRITY, PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT, AS WELL AS A SUMMARY FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

OKAY? OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE ALLEGATION, UM, KAUFMAN COUNTY DEPUTY CONSTABLE FREEZ SUBMITTED A COMPLAINT AGAINST SENIOR CORPORAL HERNANDEZ STATING THAT HE WAS CON, HE, HE HAD CONDUCTED AN IMPROPER INVESTIGATION AGAINST HIM FOR TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE.

SO THE ALLEGATION IS TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE.

UM, THE SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT ON AUGUST 13TH, SENIOR CORPORAL JANERO HERNANDEZ, UH, CENTRAL DIVISION, WAS INVESTIGATING A CRIMINAL DEFENSE, EXCUSE ME, A, A CRIMINAL MISCHIEF OFFENSE THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO HIM.

DURING THE INVESTIGATION, SENIOR CORPORAL HERNANDEZ DISCOVERED KAUFFMAN COUNTY DEPUTY CONSTABLE GUADALUPE FREEZ COMMITTED A CRIME OF OFFENSE OF TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE.

SENIOR CORPORAL SUBSEQUENTLY PRESENTED HIS FINDINGS TO THE DALLAS COUNTY GRAND JURY, WHICH LED TO THE INDICTMENT OF DEPUTY CONSTABLE FRIZ.

DEPUTY CONS, FREEZ ALLEGED SENIOR CORPORAL HERNANDEZ CONDUCTED AN IMPROPER INVESTIGATION.

DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, INTEGRITY, PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT SUMMARY, P I U MEMORANDUM, DATED AUGUST 22ND, 2022.

DOCUMENT.

SENIOR CORPORAL HERNANDEZ DID NOT COMMIT THE OFFENSE OF OFFICIAL

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OPPRESSION, AND THAT HE WAS, THAT HE DID NOT OVERSTEP HIS AUTHORITY WHEN HE INVESTIGATED THE CRIMINAL MISCHIEF.

NO EVIDENCE OF CRIMINAL OFFENSE WAS DISCOVERED DURING THIS INVESTIGATION.

DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION, SENIOR HERNANDEZ, INVESTIGATED A CRIMINAL MISCHIEF OFFENSE THAT OCCURRED ON 56 22 DYER STREET.

THOUGH THE COURSE OF THE INVESTIGATION, SENIOR CORPORAL HERNANDEZ DETERMINED THAT KAUFFMAN COUNTY DEPUTY CONSTABLE FREES COMMANDER CRIMINAL OFFENSE OF TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE.

ON MARCH 22ND, 2022, THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY DISMISSED THE CRIMINAL CASE AGAINST DEPUTY FRIZ BASED ON THE TESTIMONIAL DOCUMENTARY AND VIDEO EVIDENCE COLLECTED.

DURING THE COURSE OF THIS INVESTIGATION, SENIOR CORPORAL HERNANDEZ REFERRED THE EVIDENCE THAT HE HAD REGARDING THE TAMPERING WITH EVIDENCE AGAINST THE DEPUTY CONSTABLE FREES TO THE DALLAS COUNTY GRAND JURY, WHO RETURNED A TRUE BILL.

THEREFORE, THE ALLEGATION THAT SENIOR CORPORAL HERNANDEZ CONDUCTED AN IMPROPER INVESTIGATION IS CLASSIFIED AS UNFOUNDED CHAIRMAN.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, KEVIN, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE DATE THAT THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY DISMISSED THE CRIMINAL CHARGE WAS MARCH 22ND, 2023.

YES.

YES.

INSTEAD OF 22, THAT'S THE HEARING UPON OUR PARK.

THANK YOU.

YES.

THANK YOU.

ALSO, UH, THE DALLAS GRAND JURY RETURNED WITH A TRUE BILL YES, SIR.

AGAINST, UM, CONSTABLE FREES.

YES, SIR.

ACCORDING TO, UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

AND DO WE KNOW THE DATE OF WHEN THAT HAPPENED? UM, I COULD, I COULD, UM OKAY.

GET THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT THIS TIMELINE.

SO, BECAUSE WE KNOW WHEN IT HAPPENED MM-HMM.

, AND WE KNOW, SO HE MUST HAVE BEEN TRUE BUILD BEFORE THE DALLAS DA DECIDED TO NOT, WELL, HE HAD TO BE BECAUSE HE RIGHT, RIGHT.

WERE IN TRIAL.

BUT I WANTED, I WANTED TO SEE WHEN, I WANTED TO SEE HOW MUCH TIME HAD GONE BETWEEN THE TRUE BILL AND, WELL, IT HAD TO BE SEVERAL MONTHS.

WELL, UM, CHAIRMAN, I, UM, THIS IS NOT AN INVESTIGATION.

THIS IS THE BASIC INFORMATION THAT WE GONNA GET.

.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

AND SO, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO FIND THAT OUT MYSELF.

UM, OKAY.

UM, INVESTIGATE.

OKAY.

SO WHAT DO YOU, DOES, WOULD