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THERE IS A FIRE STATION,[City Planning Commission on June 15, 2023. ]
UH, RIGHT AT THE CORNER OF JIM MILLER AND POLAND.AND YEAH, SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT.
UM, 6 38 WAS ESTABLISHED IN MAY OF OH THREE.
UM, IT ALLOWS PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL BY RIGHTS.
UM, THE EXISTING PUBLIC SCHOOL IS URBAN PARK ELEMENTARY.
IT REMAINS IN OPERATION CURRENTLY, HOWEVER, IT IS, UH, TO BE REPLACED BY BRAND NEW SCHOOL AND THEN DEMOLISHED.
UM, THE CURRENT REQUEST, UM, INCLUDES, LIKE I SAID, CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UM, ADDING A TMP REQUIREMENT TO THE PD SINCE IT DOES NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT IN THE TEXT.
UM, LANDSCAPING IS PER ARTICLE 10, BUT UNLIKE THE LAST SITE, THIS IS A BRAND NEW BUILD, SO THE ENTIRE SITE WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 10.
UM, SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, AND TEXT UPDATES.
UM, AND THEN JUST GONNA TAKE HERE AROUND THE SCHOOL, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE NEWEST PART OF THE SCHOOL.
WE'RE LOOKING, UH, FROM MILITARY PARKWAY.
UM, AND THIS IS THE EXISTING, UH, THRIVE AND I GUESS GUEST PARKING, VISITOR PARKING AREA, ALSO ON MILITARY.
UM, AND THEN WORKING OUR WAY AROUND.
UM, THIS IS, UH, AT THE CORNER OF MILITARY PARKWAY AND JIM MILLER AND THE PARKING AREA THAT YOU SEE, UM, ON THE SITE THERE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE REMOVED.
AND THERE'S A COUPLE OF CURB CUTS ON JIM MILLER THAT ALSO BEING CLOSED OFF AND CURB RESTORED.
UM, WE ARE AT THE CORNER OF JIM MILLER, AND I THINK I MAY HAVE THAT WRONG, JIM MILLER AND TOLAND, IT SHOULDN'T SAY WIL, SO IT SHOULD SAY JIM MILLER AND TOLAND.
UM, PORTABLES OBVIOUSLY BE GONE.
UM, AND THEN SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH MY SLIDES.
I KNOW BECAUSE I'M CONFUSING MYSELF BY SHOWING YOU THE SITE PHOTO AND THEN LATER THE SURROUNDING GOING A BIT OUT OF WATER.
UM, CONTINUING AROUND THE SITES, YOU'RE GONNA BUILD, AS WE'VE SEEN A NUMBER OF TIMES BEFORE, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ON THE UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, UM, CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS CASE, AND THEN DEMOLISH THE SCHOOL AND BUILD ATHLETIC, OR NOT REALLY ATHLETIC FIELDS, BUT OPEN SPACES, PLAY AREAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SURROUNDING USAGE, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CHURCHES AROUND THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE ONE AT, UH, JIM MILLER AND WILKES.
UM, AND THEN AT THE, UH, TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE, THERE'S A, A CR AREA THAT HAS SOME, UH, COMMERCIAL, VARIOUS COMMERCIAL USES.
UM, THERE'S A FUELING STATION, SOME AUTO RELATED USES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE SITE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, PREDOMINANTLY APPEARS THE FIRE STATION RIGHT AT, UM,
UM, AGAIN, I HAVE THE, THE EXISTING, THE ORIGINAL AND THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLANS IN HERE.
IF THERE'S ANY REASON TO REFERENCE THEM, WE CERTAINLY CAN IN THE CASE REPORT AS WELL.
UM, JUST KINDA SHOWING YOU THE EVOLUTION OF THE SITE, AS I MENTIONED, UM, THEY ARE CLOSING, UH, ANY EXISTING CURB CUTS ALONG JIM MILLER.
I MEAN THIS, THIS, UM, SORT OF CIRCLE DRIVE IS GONNA EXIST KIND OF IN THE SAME SPACE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF ADJUSTMENT, BUT YOU'LL SEE IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT THEY'RE EXTEND INTO THE SITE SO THAT THEY CAN GET MOST OF THE QAN OFF OF THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS.
UM, THIS IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND I'M GONNA SUBMIT THAT IN AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY CAN.
UM, SO AS I SAID, UM, QUEUING IS GONNA COME IN, IN THIS, UH, OFF OF MILITARY PARKWAY.
THERE'S ALSO A QUEUING AREA ON OFF OF POLAND STREET.
UM, THEY DID HAVE A THIRD CURB CUTS ALONG THAT ROADWAY AND THEY AGREED TO REMOVE THAT
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AND THEN TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, UH, MAGIC TO HIDE THE BACK OF HOUSE SERVICE AREA FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY ACROSS TOLEN STREET.SO THEY'VE RECONFIGURED THAT AREA.
THEY'VE ALSO ON THE INDENTED DRIVE OVER HERE, UM, THEY'RE CREATING ALONG WILKES, THEY'VE AGREED TO PUT IN, UM, A BIT OF A CURB SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE RANDOMLY COMING IN AND OUT.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIZED FOR DROP OFF AND PICKUP.
UM, AND PHIL HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE SITE AS DESIGNED, UM, CAN, CAN COMPLY WITH ARTICLE 10.
SO THERE SHOULD BE NO ISSUES THERE.
UM, AGAIN, LIKE ON THE LAST CASE, WE'RE FOCUSING PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES AT CERTAIN KEY AREAS.
GENERALLY OVER HERE ON WILKES AVENUE, UM, ADJACENT TO THE SIDEWALK, WE'RE DROP OFF, THE PICKUP ARE HAVING, ARE ARE GOING TO BE OCCURRING.
AND THEN A COUPLE OF AREAS OVER HERE ON TOLAND.
AND THEN ANOTHER, UH, GROUPING OR A COUPLE OF GROUPINGS OF PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES WILL BE MORE INTERNAL TO SITE OFF OF THIS LOOP TRAIL THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO BUILD AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR A BIT OF BACKUP TRAFFIC, AS YOU'LL SEE ON THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN HERE WHEN IT COMES UP.
LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THE SCREEN.
UM, I WILL POINT OUT THAT THERE IS, I DON'T KNOW THE CORRECT WORD FOR IT, BUT THERE'S AN EXTRA STREET ALONG THE SIDE OF MILITARY PARKWAY.
IT'S A BIT MORE OF A LOCAL STREET ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL, NOT THE, THE MAJOR LANES OF TRAFFIC.
SO, UH, THE WAY THEY DESIGNED THIS, THAT TRAFFIC WILL CIRCULATE IN A CLOCKWISE MANNER SO THAT THEY, ANY OVERKILL, UM, THAT CAN'T QUEUE ON THE PROPERTY WILL ACTUALLY BE ON THIS LITTLE SIDE STREET RIGHT HERE THAT'S NOT ON MILITARY, NOT ON THE MAJOR TRAFFIC LANE OF THE MILITARY.
UM, POINTING OUT, UM, AGAIN, I HAVE THE CONDITIONS SHOWN HERE, UM, IN CASE WE NEED TO REFERENCE THEM, THEY ARE INCREASING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 40 FEET THAT'S ALLOWED.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE ONLY CHANGE, UM, FROM 51 A ACTUALLY THEY'RE REDUCING THE, THE, THE LOT COVERAGE AS WELL.
BUT THAT WAS THE SAME AS LAST.
UM, AGAIN, LIKE ON THE LAST ONE, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO TWEAK THE PEDESTRIAN AMENITY LANGUAGE AND THEN SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND WHAT WAS THAT? HOW ABOUT FENCING? I'M SORRY, FENCES.
OKAY, SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS SIMILAR TO SAME LANGUAGE I THINK IS IN THE LAST ONE.
BASICALLY, UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FENCES NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE, THE 51 A PROVISIONS.
UM, BUT UH, IN AN, SINCE IT REFERS TO A NORTH SEVEN 50 A BASE DISTRICT, THEY WOULDN'T NORMALLY BE ALLOWED TO PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE IN FRONT YARD.
AND SO THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN PUT A FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD HERE IF ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE MET.
SO AN OPEN FENCE INSTEAD OF JUST SOLID, OBVIOUSLY.
UM, AND THEN MAKING SURE THAT, UH, VISIBILITY TRIANGLES ARE, YEAH, THE GATES AREN'T IN THE, SO WE'RE RECESSING THE GATES AND JUST MAKING SURE GENERALLY THAT WE HAVE, UM, A GOOD SITUATION OTHERWISE, CORRECT.
UM, AND THEN I JUST PUT A BLIP IN HERE TO SHOW YOU TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS BEING ADDED.
IT'S ALL THE SAME STANDARD LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING, BUT, UM, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THAT.
UM, SIDEWALKS IN THIS CASE, UM, WILL BE UP TO THE NEW STANDARD.
UM, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT THEY CAN REDUCE THAT AGAIN TO ZERO, WHERE THAT INDENTED DROP OFF AND PICKUP HAPPENS.
UM, AND IF THEY HAVE A MINIMUM EIGHT FOOT WIDE ON OBSTRUCTIVE SIDEWALK, BUT THAT'S REALLY THE FRONT OF THEIR SCHOOL.
AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF SPACE THERE.
THERE'S MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST EIGHT FEET FOR WALKING AND THEN FOR THOSE PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES.
UM, AND SO APPROVAL ON THIS ONE IS SUBJECT TO OR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
COMMISSIONER, YOUNG, UH, SAME QUESTION ABOUT AFTER STUDENTS BEGAN ATTENDING CLASSES.
I WAS, I KIND OF DID THAT ON PURPOSE TO SEE IF YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION.
BY THE TIME THE CASE COMES UP, WHO KNOWS.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET OUT AND TALK SOMETHING WE GOTTA GET OUR GANG FACES ON.
BUT HERE, YOU KNOW, JUST SAME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER, DON'T, DON'T TELL ME SCHOOLS ARE GETTING BORING.
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FOUND SIGN.I THINK WE CAN GET ONE MORE CASE THERE.
KRAMER, DO YOU WANNA TAKE FRAYER? YES.
IT'S NOT, COMMISSIONER HAS A CONFLICT ON THIS ONE AND IT'S LOOKING OUT OF THE ROOM, YOUR HONOR.
CAN I JUST LIKE, CAN I GO SIT THERE OR CAN I SOME WATER? YEAH, DON'T GET TOO COMFY.
UM, IS AN APPLICATION SORT NEED TO, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO LAND ENROLL DISTRICT NUMBER 6 65 TO ALLOW AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING PUBLIC SCHOOL, ARTHUR KRAMER ELEMENTARY.
THAT'S ON A BLOCK THAT'S, UH, BOUNDED BY BURY ST.
IT'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT OVER NINE ACRES IN AREA.
THE LOCATION IS IN NORTH DALLAS, UH, SOMEWHERE BY, UH, 75.
UH, IT'S IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY, ALL, UH, ON ALL SIDES.
UM, THE SCHOOL IS ALREADY EXISTING.
THEY'RE PLANNING AN ADDITION AND, UM, THE ADDITION, THE RELOCATION OF THEIR PLAYGROUND, UH, GOING AROUND THE BLOCK STARTED AT MID BURY BECAUSE BURY IS BASICALLY THEIR MAINTENANCE MAIN FACADE.
JUDE'S, UM, I WAS TRYING TO, AND WE PROBABLY ALSO GET BACK TO THIS, UM, I WAS TRYING TO AGAIN SHOW HOW THE SIDEWALK IS CONFIGURED.
UH, AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE PLAZA IN THE FRONT, AND THEN THEY HAVE MATURE TREES ARE CLOSER TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE SIDEWALK WIDTH.
AND I WILL MENTION THAT ALL OF THE FOUR BLOCKS, UH, THE FOUR BLOCKS OF FOUR UM, SIDES, THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME CONFIGURATION.
LIKE FIVE, SIX FOOT BUFFER IS ALREADY EXISTING FORKLIFT SIDEWALK.
UM, NOW THE OTHER CORNER, UM, BURY DRIVE AND TUNICA DRIVE, YOU CAN SEE THE PLAYGROUND THAT'S ON THE CORNER.
THIS A BETTER VIEW, A BETTER VIEW OF THE PLAYGROUND.
ON TUNICA DRIVE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SLOPE.
UH, AND THEY HAVE A RETAINING WALL.
UM, AGAIN, A BETTER VIEW OF TUNICA DRIVE WITH THEIR RETAINING WALL AND STEPS.
THIS IS THE PLAYGROUND THAT IS GONNA BE RELOCATED TO MAKE ROOM FOR THE ADDITION THAT'S GONNA FACE TUNICA DRIVE, JUST TO SHOW THE BIT THE, THE GRADE.
IT'S PRETTY, THE SLOPE IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
THERE IS A LITTLE SITTING AREA THAT THEY HAVE IN HERE, AND I THINK THEY'RE PLANNING TO BASICALLY DO SOMETHING SIMILAR A LITTLE BIT ON THE OTHER SIDE.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM UNI DRIVE AND MASON DELL'S.
AGAIN, AS I WAS SAYING, LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONFIGURATION.
THEY ALREADY HAVE SIDEWALKS AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER SMALL RETAINING WALL ON, UM, MASON DELL'S SAME.
UM, EVERYTHING AROUND IT IS SINGLE FAMILY.
SO, UM, THIS IS THE CORNER OF MASON DOS IN ST.
THIS IS, THEY HAVE ATHLETIC FIELDS IN HERE, AND THERE'S ANOTHER LITTLE PLAYGROUND INSIDE.
THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR, UM, ACCESS, UM, THEIR CAR ACCESS.
THEY HAVE THIS OLD PARKING LOT THERE ON THE SIDE WITH THEIR GARBAGE DUMPSTER.
SO THIS IS THEIR, UM, SERVICING AREA.
THEY HAVE, I THINK, PROPOSING TO REPLACE WITH THIS ONE.
THE, THAT RECOMMENDATION IS SUBJECT TO REVISE JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE WAY THEY'RE SHOWING THE PROPERTY DIMENSIONS IS JUST COMING UP.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME LINES ON TOP OF ONE ON BASIS,
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ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.SO THE ADDITION, THEY ARE COMING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER.
THEY'RE ADDING A LITTLE BIT, UM, ALONG MID BURY, WHICH IS THEIR FRONT MAINTAINING THE PLAZA.
AND THEN THEIR MAIN ADDITION IS ON KIKA RE BASICALLY REMOVE, REMOVING, UH, MOVING THE PLAYGROUND TO THE INTERIOR.
THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, THEY'RE PROPOSING, UH, PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO LINK TO THE, TO THE SIDEWALK ON MASON DE'S THE HOMES.
SO IT'S INTERESTING, IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT ON MASON DES THE NIGRO, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE HOMES FRONTING THE WHOLE BOTTOM.
IKA AND ST YOU HAVE SIDE, UH, THEY ARE NOT GONNA TOUCH IKA AT ALL.
UM, THEY ARE GONNA TOUCH ONLY MID BURY.
THAT'S WHY THE CONDITIONS IN THE PD ARE TO INCREASE THE SIDEWALK ON MID BURY AND NOT TOUCH THE SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHERS.
SO THAT WAS PART OUR AGREEMENT WITH THEM.
BUT, UM, UM, WE ARE SHOWING IT HERE AREAS WHERE THE AMENITIES, AND WE WERE TRYING TO CONCENTRATE THEM AS CLOSER TO THE SIDEWALK AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF AN UN UNRESTRICTED ACCESS.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE FOURTH ONE AROUND THE PLAYGROUND LOCATION.
SO WE HAVE, UM, THREE AREAS THAT ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE SIDEWALK.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE BENCHES AND TREES.
AND IN THE CONDITIONS WE ALSO INCLUDE A CONDITION FOR THEM TO ADD STREET TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY ALONG MASON DELLS MASON DE 40 FEET APART.
SO THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND AN ARTICLE 10, AS JENNIFER WAS SAYING, BECAUSE ARTICLE 10 IS TRIGGERED, BUT IT WON'T GIVE US A BIG BUMPING AND SKIPPING.
UM, THIS IS THEIR TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THIS IS SHOWING THE EXISTING SITUATION.
AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE QUEUING BOTH LANES ON BURY AND THE BUSES ARE ON THE CORNER.
THIS IS THE IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS WHAT'S IN YOUR REPORT.
I SENT AS YOLANDA SENT YOU REVISIONS.
IT WASN'T, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OF JUST AND FORTH WITH THAT.
UH, THEY ASKED FOR THIS QUEUING LINK TO BE REMOVED AND THEY BASICALLY CLEANED UP AND, UH, ADDRESSED THAT COMMENT.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS AN UPDATED, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS GONNA BE PER THE TMP A BRIEF, THE BUSES, THEY'RE PLANNING TO PUT THE BUSES ON SITE AND QUEUE, UH, ALONG THE STREETS, BUT ON
AND THEY'RE ALSO ADDING, LET'S SEE, THIS EXHIBIT, WHICH IS SOMETHING WE STAFF REQUESTED TO ENCOURAGE THE PARENTS TO MOVE FLOCK WISE AROUND THE SITE.
AND ALSO IN WHAT I SENT YOU, I ASKED THE APPLICANT TO ALSO PROVIDE A CLOUDED VERSION SO WE CAN ALL SEE WHAT THE CHANGES ARE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S A LOT OF RED IN HERE, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A LOT OF CHANGES.
ANOTHER CHANGE THAT WE ASK FOR IS TO INDICATE THAT THE PEDESTRIAN PATH IS GONNA BASICALLY CONNECT WITH THE, WITH SUPPLY WALLS.
BUT THIS PEDESTRIAN PATH, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN AREA WHERE THE KIDS ARE GONNA BE DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP.
MAJOR DROP OFF IN PICK UP IS GONNA BE, UH, MID BRIDGE, RIGHT? UM, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THE SAME.
UH, WE JUST QUOTED THE SETBACKS.
SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION AT PERMITTING AT ALL.
UM, CHANGES TO THE PD JUST TO LIKE BRING THEM UP TO CODE.
UM, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A REVISED LANGUAGE FOR THE AMENITIES.
UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE, SO ALL OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE CHANGING.
WE'RE ADDING, WE'RE ADDING CONDITIONS FOR LANDSCAPING AND FOR SIGNS JUST TO EXPLAIN.
THEY ARE JUST PROPOSING TO BASICALLY MOVE THE BIG SIGN A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE SETBACK BECAUSE OF THESE TRIPS TO EXPLAIN.
AND THEN THIS IS YOUR CHANGE PERIOD.
NOW SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO CLEAN OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLANNING CONDITIONS INTO THE SLIDE.
COMMISSIONER, HONOR WITH THE THIRD COMMISSIONER, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM OF I HAVE MORE PLEASE.
IN, IN REGARDS TO OUR, WE THESE SCHOOLS.
I KNOW ALL OF THESE STUDENTS HAVE, UM, OUR PAY GRIDS, UH, PORTABLES ON SITE.
DO WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR GROUP TO NEVER BRING THOSE BACK? LIKE, TO THINK ABOUT THAT WE ARE NOT, I TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT AT THIS SCHOOL THEY CAN MAINTAIN FOR.
THAT CONCLUDES THE BREAKING VALLEY CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TO GO OUT THERE AND GET STARTED.
MORRIS RON COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, MS. BESINA, CAN YOU START US OFF WITH A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? YES.
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GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.DISTRICT TWO, PRESENT DISTRICT THREE.
UH, DISTRICT FIVE, CHAIR PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX.
DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT? I'M HERE.
AND DISTRICT 14 HERE AND PLACE 15? I'M HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. PACINO.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, JUNE 15TH, 2023 AT EXACTLY 12:54 PM A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, ALL SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
I'LL ASK YOU TO PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, MS. PACINO WILL KEEP TIME AND, UH, SHE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS ONLINE, UH, AND SOME REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR OUR FOLKS ONLINE.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON AND WORKING.
WE CANNOT HEAR FROM YOU IF WE CAN'T SEE YOU.
UH, ON CASES WHERE WE DO HAVE OPPOSITION, UH, PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT WILL GET A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
ALSO, FOR OUR VISITORS HERE, WE HAVE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS DOWN HERE ON THIS TABLE, THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
AT SOME POINT TODAY, WE SURE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO COME DOWN AND FILL THESE.
YOU CAN JUST LEAVE 'EM ON THE TABLE.
SO WE'LL HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.
UH, AND WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
UH, BEFORE WE DO, UH, WAS THAT 16? OKAY.
AND WITH THAT, COMMISSIONERS, UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH, UH, THE DOCKET.
IF YOU NEED A COPY OF THE DOCKET, I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE SOME.
THERE ARE SOME RIGHT THERE AT THE TABLE.
WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE VERY FIRST CASE.
ACTUALLY, NO, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE MINUTES.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, MR. CHAIR.
I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JUNE 1ST, 2023 MEETING AS SUBMITTED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL LAWS IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE, UH, MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. MS. MORMAN, GOOD AFTERNOON.
YOUR NEXT ITEM IS, UH, AN IS Z 2 23 DASH 0 0 5, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER SIX 12.
GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE EAST LINE OF SPUR 4 0 8, NORTH OF WEST LEDBETTER EXTENSION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
UH, WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER.
IS MR. BROOKS ONLINE? HE IS NOT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS CASE NUMBER TWO M 20 2305.
ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? I'M HERE FOR JOHN, I HERE ASK QUESTIONS.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER YOUNG? SIR? SIR, COULD YOU COME DOWN PLEASE? IF YOU COULD COME DOWN TO THE, UH, MICROPHONE.
THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE.
JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME'S JAMES SPENCER, 25 0 2 HARBORVIEW BOULEVARD, ETTE, TEXAS.
UH, ON YOUR PR ON YOUR LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOUR EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN, THERE'S AN AREA DESIGNATED AS PROPOSED CONSERVATION DISTRICT.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE YOUR INTENTIONS FOR THAT AREA? I CANNOT.
UH, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND AND REVIEW THAT.
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THAT'S THE WAY THE CIVIL HAD HAD DESIGNED IT.SO THE, UM, SIR, SO I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
SO SEVERAL NEIGHBORS IN THAT, IN, IN THE DISTRICT THREE WHERE, WHERE WE LIVE, UM, COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF 4 0 8.
UM, THERE HAS BEEN AN OFFICER BROUGHT IN TO KIND OF MANAGE THE TRAFFIC, BUT HAS ANYTHING BEEN CONSIDERED, UM, TO ADDRESS THE TRAFFIC THAT FLOWS FROM 4 0 8 WHEN IT'S TIME TO PICK UP AND DROP OFF? THE TRAFFIC STUDY HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN COMPLETED, AND IT SHOWS THAT THERE IS NO IMPACT TO THE, THE TRAFFIC STUDY DID NOT INCLUDE 4 0 8.
IT ONLY INCLUDED LEAD BETTER EXTENSION.
UM, SO THE CARS GO ONTO LEADBETTER EXTENSION FROM 4 0 8 AND STRETCH OUT COMPLETELY.
UM, AND SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS CAN'T GET TO THEIR HOME FOR UP TO 30 MINUTES.
SOMETIMES, UM, IN THAT LINE, THE, THAT, THAT TIME HAS BEEN CHARTED WITH THE ADDED OFFICER.
BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING INTO AND REDUCING THE TRAFFIC AT THAT CORNER OF 4 0 8 AND GRADY NLA? UH, I'D HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO THE CLIENT.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THEY'VE DONE.
UM, IT IS A SCHOOL, SO UNDERSTOOD.
UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, I THINK WE MAY HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU, SIR.
YES, I, I AM, I'M LOOKING BACK AT THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY ON THERE SHOWN AS PROPOSED CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.
THAT SHOULD BE CONSERVATION AREA.
HOWEVER, IT'S THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN PROPOSED FOR A CHANGE IN, IN THE WORDING, BUT I BELIEVE WE CAN GET THAT DONE.
IS THAT PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION THEN? UH, YES.
AND WE CAN GET THAT FROM THE APPLI, AN UPDATED PLAN WITH THE WORDING CHANGED FROM THE APPLICANT.
SO THE, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL AS BRIEFED? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SO IT'S AN ADJUSTMENT WOULD BE, UH, A MOTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE AS BRIEFED SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER HARBOR, DO YOU HAVE MOTION, SIR? UM, I'M STRUGGLING WITH THE MOTION, UH, HONESTLY CUZ IT'S HAS BEEN A HUGE ISSUE FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE, THERE ARE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND, UM, ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
SO, AND THAT BEING SAID, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE, I'M SORRY, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND BRIEFED.
CAN I MAKE A AS, AS BRIEF AS BRIEFED? AS BE AS BRIEFED? THANK YOU.
UH, CAN I GET A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
SO IT IS A, A MINOR AMENDMENT.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT IN THE CASE OF M 22 305 AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER STANDARD.
AND I THINK WE, WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I WAS GOING TO, UM, MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HOLD THE CASE UNTIL YOU CAN GET THE ANSWERS AND THEN COME BACK WITH THE ANSWERS THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OR A PATHWAY TO THOSE ANSWERS.
UM, YES, THAT I, I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS THAT, ESPECIALLY SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT COULDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION.
UM, I, I DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT, BUT I I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THAT IF IT'S NOT TOO LATE, IT IS NOT TOO LATE.
YES, YOU CAN WITH WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION IF THAT'S OKAY WITH COMMISSIONER STANDARD OR IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION FROM THE BODY, WHICH THERE IS NOT.
YOU HAVE ANY MOTION, SIR? THIS WOULD BE HELD WHEN IS OUR NEXT JULY 6TH.
UM, SO THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL THE JULY 6TH MEETING.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HERBERT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO HOLD A MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO JULY 6TH, KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER BLAIR? I KNOW THIS IS A MINOR AMENDMENT AND I KNOW OUR RULES WITH MINOR AMENDMENTS, BUT I ALSO KNOW THE AREA AND I'VE ALSO BEEN STUCK IN
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THAT QUEUING LINE OFF OF 4 0 8 THINKING I'M GOING TO, UM, GET ONE OF MY NOTORIOUS, UH, SIDE STREETS AND IT ACTUALLY TAKES ME LONGER THAN A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.UM, SO WHAT I HAVE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION I HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT IS THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT YOU, YOU CAN BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBORS MEAN BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR FOR EVERYONE, NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE TOTALLY SURROUNDING YOU.
UM, BECAUSE WHERE YOU WANT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS TO SUPPORT YOU, YOU HAVE TO ALSO SUPPORT THEM.
AND GRADY NLO AND 4 0 8 IS NOT THE EASIEST STREET TO N NAVIGATE, BUT IT WILL TAKE YOU ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ALL THE WAY TO GRAND PRAIRIE.
SO IT, IT, IT WOULD BEHOOVE ALL OF US TO BE GOOD TO THE MAJORITY OF US.
JUST FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER BLAIR'S COMMENT, UH, ONE OF THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVING A MINOR AMENDMENT IS THAT IT DOES NOT ALTER THE BASIC RELATIONSHIP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
USUALLY THAT INVOLVES THINGS LIKE HEIGHT OR SETBACKS, BUT HERE THEY WOULD BE, UH, EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CAMPUS, UH, UH, THE BUILDINGS SUBSTANTIALLY AND THEREBY GENERATING, UH, MORE TRAFFIC, WHICH HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY.
SO I THINK IT FITS COMFORTABLY WITHIN, UH, THE MINOR AMENDMENT CRITERIA AND I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION WE HAVE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR ZONING CASES.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE CASES ON CONSENT, UH, THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE.
NUMBER FIVE HAS COME OFF CONSENT.
WE'LL BE VOTED ON INDIVIDUALLY, SO THAT LEAVES CASES THREE AND FOUR, THAT'S Z 2 23 1 32, AND Z 2 2 3 143 THAT WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASE CASES, EITHER THREE OR FOUR.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASES THREE OR FOUR? OKAY.
ITEM NUMBER THREE Z 2 23 1 32.
AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY ON PROPERTY ZONE AN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH CORNER OF FERGUSON ROAD AND DORRINGTON DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR, AN APPLICATION FOR AN R FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DI R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES ZONE.
THE CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF BURMA ROAD EAST OF KISHKA STREET.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
IS THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THESE TWO ITEMS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES.
UH, FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA CONSISTING OF ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RUBIN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG HAS A CONFLICT ON CASE NUMBER FIVE Z 2 23 1 60 AND HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
MR. PEPE? GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
ITEM FIVE IS Z 2 1 12 OR 2 3 2 23 160.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A SUB DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED A R S C, REGIONAL SERVICE COMMERCIAL TRACKED ONE SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE OF SANGER AVENUE, SOUTHWEST OF RIGG STREET.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS CASE NUMBER FIVE Z 2 23 1 60? YES, SIR.
WILL HARRIS, 1819 CLARENCE STREET.
CAN YOU, YEAH, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO
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SPEAK UP OR WILL HARRIS.I'M THE APPLICANT AND OWNER AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
PLEASE STAND BY COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROOM FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AND WE'LL NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG HAS RETURNED TO THE HORSESHOE.
CASE NUMBER SIX IS Z TWO 12 DASH 2 76.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 25 ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY PALISADE DRIVE, NORTH PRAIRIE CREEK ROAD, TONAWANDA DRIVE AND GREENDALE DRIVE.
AND ON THE NORTH LINE OF PALISADE DRIVE BETWEEN NORTH PRAIRIE CREEK ROAD AND GREENDALE DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
UH, CARL CROWLEY, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS REPRESENTATIVE, THE D I S D.
THIS IS, UH, SAMUEL HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, I WANNA THANK THE, THE, UH, STAFF WITH WORKING WITH US ON, UH, I THINK IT'S A, UM, IT'S A PLAN TO ADD SOME LANDSCAPING TO A SCHOOL THAT WAS BUILT WELL IN THE FIFTIES, I WOULD GUESS
UH, WE'VE, UH, ADDED SOME LANDSCAPING, AS JENNIFER MENTIONED IN THE, A PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET.
WE'VE ADDED A, A WHAT I'LL CALL A GROVE.
I THINK WE'RE ALL CALLING IT A GROVE OF TREES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT A DEFINITION OF GROVE OF TREES IS, BUT AN AREA OF AT LEAST AN ACRE IN SIZE THAT WILL BE FULL OF TREES.
AND THEN, UM, ONE, I THINK THAT THIS IS THE FIRST OF THE SCHOOLS WHERE WE'VE SORT OF MODIFIED THIS PEDESTRIAN ASPECT.
AND, AND I THINK WE ALL SORT OF CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THIS OF A STANDARD EVERY 200 FEET GETS, KIND OF, DOESN'T REALLY SOLVE WHAT THE IDEA IS TO GET A PLACE FOR FAMILIES AND TEACHERS AND COMMUNITY AND OTHER PEOPLE TO GATHER AND STUFF.
AND, AND THIS IS THE FIRST SCHOOL WHERE WE'VE DONE THAT.
AND I THINK, UH, KRAMER'S LIKE THAT.
AND I THINK FROM NOW ON WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT WHERE IT'S LOGICAL TO PUT THESE AMENITIES IS THE LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT 'EM WHERE THEY'RE USED AS OPPOSED TO JUST EQUALLY SPACING THEM AND STUFF.
SO I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US ON THAT.
UM, KATIE IS HERE TO EXPLAIN THE, UH, LIGHT ASPECT.
I BELIEVE THE PRINCIPAL IS ON SITE, ON, ON ONLINE TO SPEAK.
DO YOU HAVE A, IS THAT MR. GARRA? YES.
SO I, I'M GONNA, UM, FINISH AND I'M SURE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN HOPEFULLY ANSWER 'EM LATER, BUT IF WE'LL GO TO HIM AND THEN I THINK, UH, OH, THERE SHE IS.
I THOUGHT YOU, I THOUGHT YOU ABANDONED ME UP HERE.
UH, SHE'LL TALK ABOUT LIGHTS, WHICH WILL COME INTO PLAY AND IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH HIGH SCHOOLS AND ADDING THESE TO ALL THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND AS LITTLE AT A TIME.
SO, UM, I GUESS THE PRINCIPAL.
MR. GARRA, OR THANK YOU MR. CARLEY.
GABRIEL GARRA, 89 28 PALISADE DRIVE, THE PROUD PRINCIPAL OF THE HISTORIC WW SAMUEL HIGH SCHOOL.
I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE PANEL FOR THEIR TIME.
UM, GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, DEALING WITH THE UPGRADES TO OUR CAMPUS.
REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING AND THE, UH, BENCH ISSUES, UH, PARDON ME, UH, LANDSCAPING AND BENCH UPGRADES.
UM, E EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROPOSAL OF LIGHTS FOR OUR FOOTBALL FIELD.
THAT IS OUR FOOTBALL PRACTICE FIELD.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR US ON CAMPUS.
WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT HAVING THE ABILITY TO, UH, PRACTICE WITH OUR STUDENTS BOTH IN THE MORNINGS AND NOW HAVING THE ABILITY TO PRACTICE WITH OUR STUDENT ATHLETES IN THE AFTERNOONS AND THE EVENINGS AS WELL.
UH, A LOT OF TIMES WE TEND TO LOSE THEM BECAUSE OF THE LIGHT AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE WINTERTIME.
BUT, UH, WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THAT AND THAT'LL JUST GIVE US ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH OUR STUDENTS AND, UH, TO KEEP THEM HERE ON CAMPUS WHERE WE NEED THEM.
UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I HAD, UH, A CONCERN ABOUT WAS JUST WITH OUR NEW GROVE OF TREES THAT WE HAVE JUST FOR THE PROPOSAL FOR A PATHWAY OR A COMMUNITY PATHWAY THROUGH THAT, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN IMPORTANT THINGS THAT
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WE HAVE ON CAMPUS IS CAMPUS SECURITY.AND SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO SEE ABOUT THAT AND IF THAT COULD BE AMENDED JUST SO WE COULD SECURE THE CAMPUS.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, ALL THE GREAT UPDATES HERE AT SAMUEL HIGH SCHOOL.
KATIE LENAHAN, 9,400 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
I HAVE A PRESENTATION, I BELIEVE MR. CROWLEY IS ASKING YOU ALL TO PULL UP TO, TO ADDRESS THE ATHLETIC LIGHTING.
I'M THE DESIGN DIRECTOR FOR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR AT DALLAS I S D.
AND WE'RE INTERESTED IN INSTALLING ATHLETIC LIGHTS AT THE PRACTICE FIELD AT THIS CAMPUS.
ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE THIS PRESENTATION FOR IT.
NOPE, THERE, YOU, YOU JUST HAD IT.
AND IF I WANT TO SCROLL, I JUST DO THAT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, UM, AND INSTALL PRACTICE LIGHTS.
UH, ACTUALLY IN GENERAL AT OUR HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETIC FIELDS, THE REASON THAT WE WANT TO TAKE THIS ON IS WE WANNA EXTEND THE PRACTICE FIELD OP OPTIONS AND HOURS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO OUR STUDENTS, INCREASE STUDENT PARTICIPATION IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES, PROVIDE BETTER AND SAFER PRACTICE OPTIONS FOR THE STUDENTS, AND TO PROVIDE PARITY FOR DALLAS STUDENTS WITH OUR SUBURBAN SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
UH, WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT A NUMBER OF CASE STUDIES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE SPECIFYING AND INSTALLING PRACTICE FIELD LIGHTS.
THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE ON THE FAR LEFT, THAT'S WHAT FIELD LIGHTS LOOK LIKE IN THE 1970S.
UH, ON THIS IMAGE RIGHT HERE, THIS LIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THIS POLE.
THAT'S THE LIGHT THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT ON, ON OUR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
THE LIGHT IS SHINING DIRECTLY DOWN ON THE FIELD.
WE'RE CONCERNED, AND WE'VE BEEN TRACKING THE ISSUES WITH LIGHT SPILL, LIGHT POLLUTION, AND SKY GLOW.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO VENDORS ABOUT THAT.
AS WE, UH, IDENTIFY WHICH TYPE OF LIGHTS WE WANNA USE, OUR GOAL IS TO LIGHT THE FIELDS, NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO INSTALL COMMUNITY FRIENDLY SPORTS, SLIDING TO MINIMIZE ALLOWABLE LIGHT, SPILL MANAGE HIGH GRADE GLARE, SKY GLOW EFFECTS.
THERE WILL BE CURFEW REQUIREMENTS AND UTILIZE BEST, UH, LIGHTING PRACTICES.
THE POLES ARE GONNA BE 80 FEET TALL.
THE TALLER THE POLE, THE MORE THE DIRECT, THE LIGHT ON THE FIELD, THE LESS THE LIGHT SPILL.
THIS IS THE HEAD OF THE LIGHT FIXTURE, SO YOU CAN SEE IT SHINES DIRECTLY DOWN ONTO THE FIELD.
WE'VE BEEN TAKING A LOOK AT A NUMBER OF STUDIES.
THIS IS A HEAT MAP THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT FOR ANOTHER CAMPUS.
THE FOOT CANDLES AT THE PROPERTY LINE ACROSS THE STREET ON AVERAGE ARE 0.02 FOOT CANDLES.
SO TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT FOR THAT, THE IMAGE ON YOUR LEFT, THAT'S 25 TO 40 FOOT CANDLES, THE IMAGE ON YOUR RIGHT, THAT'S TWO FOOT CANDLES.
WE'RE GONNA BE 0.0 TO FOOT CANDLES, PROPERTY LINE ACROSS THE STREET.
UH, AGAIN, WE WANNA LIGHT THE FIELDS, NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE THINK THIS IS GREAT FOR OUR STUDENTS AND WE ARE HERE AND AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS OR ANY OF OUR OTHER CASES THAT ARE HERE TODAY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF ITEM SIX? ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER YOUNG? UH, YES.
UH, MA'AM, IF YOU'D COME BACK, UH, WHAT ARE THE DIAMETER OF THE LIGHT POLES YOU PROPOSED TO INSTALL? OH, YOU'RE ASKING ME A QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE VERY LARGE.
I DON'T, PROBABLY LIKE 12 TO 18 INCHES FOR THE POLE ITSELF.
MORE THAN 12 INCHES, I'D SAY LIKE 18 INCHES OR SOMETHING.
AND, UH, MR. CROWLEY, IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO A, UH, MONOPOLE UH, CELL TOWER? WELL, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THE HEIGHT, BUT PROBABLY A LOWER ONE'S PROBABLY 36 INCHES ACROSS.
THERE, THERE, THAT'S A LOT MORE WEIGHT ON TOP OF THAT THAN THERE IS A L LED D LIGHT FIXTURE.
I WAS THINKING IT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN A, UH, CELL TOWER.
WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER STANDARD THAN COMMISSIONER TREADAWAY.
UH, YES, MS. LENAHAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION ON THE LIGHTS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG ISSUE WITH ME IS THAT SPILLOVER AND WHEN IT'S 80 FEET, YOU REALLY DO HAVE TO, SO I LOVE THAT YOU DID
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THE FOOT CANDLE AND HOW YOU DID THIS PRESENTATION.AND NEW TECHNOLOGY SEEMS TO DO MUCH BETTER.
THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS, UH, AT THESE PRACTICE FIELDS, ONE OF THE THINGS IS NOT JUST THE NIGHT DURING THE WINTER, BUT IT'S ALSO IN THE EARLY MORNINGS.
AT WHAT TIME, UH, DO YOU PLAN TO BE TURNING THESE ON IN THE MORNINGS? I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX 30 TO NINE 30.
I THOUGHT I SAW, UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT.
UH, CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE SITE, THERE'S A LOT OF FENCING.
FENCING ON THE FRONT, FENCING TO THE YARD, FENCING TO THE FIELD HAS, HAS FENCING AROUND THE SCHOOL BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT REDUCING? UM, AS YOU DO A LOT OF THE NEW BUILD, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT LOOKING TO REDUCE FENCING AROUND SCHOOLS.
A LOT OF THE FENCING AT THIS CAMPUS IS AROUND THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
WE HAVE STUDENTS OUT THERE PRACTICING AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THERE'S SAFETY.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S FENCING ON THE STREET, THERE'S FENCING ON ALL THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.
UM, AND IT'S, THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER.
BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO TRY TO LOOK AT REDUCING FENCING AS WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT NEITHER ARE THEY.
UM, THE NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THERE ANY PLANS TO BEAUTIFY GREEN GREENDALE STREET? UM, THE STREET HAS A LOT OF PARKING LOT PARKING ON IT.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE DOING DONUTS IN THE PARKING LOT ON GREENDALE.
UM, AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT ADDING TREES IN THE FRONT PARKING, BUT IS THERE ANY PLANS TO ADD, UH, TREES TO SOME OF THE PARKING ON GREENDALE AND REMOVING THE PORTABLES THAT ARE ON PARKING ON GREENDALE? SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO REMOVE THE PORTABLES AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THAT'S NOT IN OUR, UM, PROJECT SCOPE.
ALTHOUGH WE WOULD LOVE TO, IF WE HAD THE BUDGET TO DO IT REGARDING THE LANDSCAPING AROUND ALONG GREENFIELD OR GREENDALE, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UH, WORKING WITH COOL SCHOOLS AND TRYING TO FIND DONORS THAT ARE GONNA PARTNER WITH THE COST FOR THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
UH, AT THIS CAMPUS, IT'S AN EXISTING CAMPUS, SO LANDSCAPING ALONG GREENDALE WAS NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND TALKING TO COOL SCHOOLS WHEN WE HAD THE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GROVE OF TREES, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU HAVE A GROVE OF TREES, THAT'S THE BEST WAY YOU CREATE A CARBON SINK.
SO THE GOAL FOR THE TREES IN GENERAL IS TO IMPROVE THE AIR QUALITY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO WE FELT IF WE COULD CONCENTRATE THEM IN THAT LOCATION RATHER THAN SPACING THEM AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SCHOOL, WE WOULD HAVE A BETTER IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT JUST SEEMS TO MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA BE HEALTHIER AND HAPPIER AND A GROVE.
AND THEN CARL HAS AN ANSWER TOO.
UM, JENNIFER EXPLAINED ON THIS ONE WITH THE ARTICLE 10 ARTIFICIAL LOT, WELL, PART OF THAT ARTIFICIAL LOT, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO ART GONNA BE TWO ARTIFICIAL LOTS.
AND, AND I DON'T HAVE THE SITE PLAN.
I COULD, BUT IT'S NOT WORTH IT.
THERE'S A FIRE LANE THAT CONNECTS A PRAIRIE CREEK AND PALISADES FOR THE ADDITION.
SO THERE'LL BE TREES ALONG THAT, CUZ THAT'S PART OF AN ARTIFICIAL LOT MORE THAN 2000 SQUARE FEET OF PAVEMENT.
SO THERE'LL BE TREES ALONG THERE.
BUT THE OTHER ARTIFICIAL LOT, WHICH IS THE REAL SORT OF ARTIFICIAL LOT IF THAT MAKES SENSE, IS FOR THIS, UH, GYMNASIUM.
WELL THAT HAS, IT HAS TO TOUCH THE STREET IN THAT SENSE.
THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL TREES.
WILL THERE BE A, A GROVE OF TREES? NO, THERE WON'T BE.
UM, AND, AND SHE MENTIONED ABOUT THE PORTABLES.
THE OTHER ISSUE THAT COMES UP TO HAND IS, IS PARKING LOTS AND SCREENING.
I KNOW YOU MENTIONED LIKE TO REMOVE FENCES AND I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE SECURITY INVOLVED IN SCHOOLS AND FENCES.
AND THERE'S ALSO THE SECURITY INVOLVED.
AND IF I PUT TALL BARRIERS AROUND PARKING LOTS TOO, IT GIVES HIDING PLACES AND STUFF.
SO WE'LL LOOK AT, THERE IS SOME, UH, SHRUBS ALONG GREENDALE MORE TOWARDS THE BASEBALL FIELD.
UM, AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, AS I RECALL JENNIFER, ONE OF THE AMENITY AREAS IS BY THAT BASEBALL FIELD.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD CONGREGATE WATCHING A BASEBALL GAME.
SO WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A LITTLE SORT OF BENCH AREA THERE TOO TO SORT OF SOFTEN SOMEWHAT ON GREENDALE.
AND, AND PALISADES WILL HAVE TREES ACTUALLY ON BOTH SIDES OF PALISADES.
AND THERE IS A LOT OF TREES IN FRONT OF THAT SCHOOL.
BUT WE'RE ALSO GONNA ADD INTO THE GAP SO THAT, UM, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A A TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD, BUT IT'LL BE A BOULEVARD EVENTUALLY, UH, 50 YEARS, IF THAT SCHOOL REACHES A HUNDRED YEARS OR SOMETHING, THERE'LL BE SOME VERY LARGE TREES ALONG BOTH SIDES OF PALISADE.
SO THAT, THAT'S SORT OF THE CONCENTRATION THERE SINCE THAT'S THE FRONT DOOR AND REALLY WHERE THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF SORT OF CONCENTRATES.
UM, AND I'LL MAKE COMMENT AFTER.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED THIS OUTREACH WAS DONE TO THE HOMEOWNERS ON THE, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, THE RIGHT SIDE
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OF THE, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PLAY FIELD.WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AT I'LL, I'M SURE IT WAS LAST YEAR.
AND YOU SPECIFICALLY INVITED THOSE HOMEOWNERS? UH, YEAH.
EVERYBODY WITHIN 500 FEET, THE SAME NOTIFICATION THE CITY HAD, WE USED THE CITY'S NOTIFICATION.
JUST ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP QUESTION FOR MS. LENAHAN.
I MAY HAVE MISSED IT IN MY EMAIL, BUT WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SHARE THAT LIGHTING, UH, POWERPOINT THAT YOU, YOU USED TODAY WITH THE COMMISSION? I THINK IT WAS VERY USEFUL AND INFORMATIVE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING PHOTOMETRICS FOR ALL THE SCHOOLS THAT WE WANNA DO THIS TO, SO WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS.
I'LL FORWARD THAT TO, UM, TO YOU JENNIFER, AND THEN OR YOLANDA, AND YOU CAN DISTRIBUTE TO EVERYBODY.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO HAVE A MOTION, UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 2 76, I MOVE TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING, FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A RISE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEF, INCLUDING THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE TMP IS SUGGESTED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
I HAVE JUST VERY, VERY BRIEF COMMENTS MR. CHAIR.
I THINK STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN? THAT'S CORRECT.
JUST A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN? THAT'S CORRECT.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.
UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION? YES, I, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, THANK STAFF FIRST.
UH, MS. ALGAR DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB HERE, MR. CROWLEY, THE D I S D TEAM, UH, JANET MONIER AT TEXAS TREES, ALL THE, THE COOL SCHOOLS TEAM.
UM, THIS PROJECT HAS COME A LONG, LONG WAY, JUST IN FACT, THE LAST TWO WEEKS.
UH, AND SO I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, THIS, THIS PROJECT'S GONNA HAVE IN IMPROVED OPERATIONS ALMOST ALL THE WAY AROUND.
AND REALLY, THIS, THIS SITE IS JUST ABOUT THE TREES.
UH, THAT WAS THE, THE BIG POINT HERE, AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE, UH, THE, THE DIFFICULTY IN GETTING IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.
BUT I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED THAT WE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, AND I'M VERY HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT.
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES, I I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, BUT I DO WANT TO, UM, TASK THE I S D AND OUR PLANNERS TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THOSE FENCES, RIGHT? AND, AND THE STUDIES AROUND FENCING, AROUND SCHOOLS, UH, THAT DON'T LOCK THE GATES DON'T CLOSE, RIGHT? SO HOW, HOW MUCH SECURITY IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF ATHLETIC FIELDS.
HOW, HOW MUCH CAN WE HAVE STUDIES THAT SHOW, UM, SHOW THAT? AND, UM, THAT'S ALL JUST, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M TASKING YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND FOR OUR PRINCIPALS TO TASK YOU ALL, TO, UM, REMOVE DOORS, PORT THOSE PORTABLES AS A STUDENT WHO HAD TO LIVE IN THEM AND, UH, BE EDUCATED IN THEM.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, UH, TO FILE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED WITH COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S CHANGE AS TO THE TIMING FOR THE TMP.
ANY OPPOSED? NAY, THE MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RUBIN.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL NOW KEEP MOVING TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN Z 2 1 12 2 90.
THIS IS CASE C TWO 12 DASH TWO 90.
THE REQUEST IS FOR ONE, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND TWO, A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON PROPERTIES OWNED A C R D COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR
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CONTROL OVERLAY.IT'S LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD IN BURLINGTON BOULEVARD, AND IT'S ABOUT 0.38 ACRE LOCATION MAP SHOWING THE PROPERTY WITHIN CITY LIMITS.
AERIAL MAP WITH THE AREA OF REQUEST OUTLINED IN BLUE ZONING MAP WITH SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS AND LAND USES, UH, TO THE NORTH.
OUR OFFICE AND RESTAURANT USES ALONG, ALONG, UH, SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD TO THE EAST, UH, SEPARATED FROM THE AREA OF REQUEST BY AN ALLEY IS AN AREA OF SINGLE FAMILY USES ZONED R SEVEN 50 A, UH, TO THE SOUTH ALONG HAMPTON ROAD, OUR GENERAL MERCHANDISE RESTAURANT AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES.
AND THEN TO THE WEST, ACROSS HAMPTON ROAD IS A RESTAURANT.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED A C R D DISTRICT WITH A D OVERLAY.
UH, IT'S DEVELOPED WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
UM, WITH THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A NEW S U FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EXISTING STORE.
UH, THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING A CHANGE TO A D ONE OVERLAY, UH, WHICH WOULD PERMIT THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES SUBJECT TO AN S U, WHEREAS NOW IN THE D OVERLAY, UH, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SHELLS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT ALL.
UH, THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROPOSE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING SITES, AND THEY'RE REQUESTING AN INITIAL TIME LIMIT OF THREE YEARS WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL FOR ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR PERIODS.
AND SITE PHOTOS, THIS IS ON THE SITE LOOKING EAST, UH, FROM THE HAMPTON ROAD FRONTAGE AND THEN COMING AROUND ONTO BURLINGTON BOULEVARD, LOOKING SOUTH AT THAT FRONT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY, MORE VIEWS OF THAT FRONT EDGE.
AND THIS IS A PARKING AREA WITH DUMPSTERS ALONG THE EASTERN EDGE OF THE SITE AND SURROUNDING USES.
THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL TO THE SOUTH OF THE REQUEST AREA ALONG BUR ALONG HAMPTONS, EXCUSE ME.
AND THEN JUST KIND OF GOING IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE DIRECTION, LOOKING AT SOME OF THOSE COMMERCIAL USES ALONG HAMPTON THERE AT THE INTERSECTION.
AND THEN THESE ARE SOME OTHER COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH.
AND THEN VIEWS OF THAT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, TO THE NORTHEAST AND EAST.
THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED, UH, SITE PLAN FOR THE S U P AND STAFF'S.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF THE S U P, UH, FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, UH, SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AND APPROVAL OF THE D ONE LYRICA CONTROL OVERLAY.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY, WELL, ACTUALLY, I GUESS NOW I HAVE TO READ 'EM INTO THE RECORD.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA GO FOR QUESTIONS FIRST AND THEN WE'LL READ INTO THE RECORD.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ANY YOUR FOLKS ONLINE? UH, YES.
COMMISSIONER TREADAWAY, SINCE WE'RE REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM A D TO A D ONE OVERLAY TO PERMIT ALCOHOL, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT OTHER USES PERMIT ALCOHOL IN THE VICINITY? YES.
SO THE ONLY, UH, OVERLAY DISTRICT WE HAVE IN DALLAS THAT RESTRICTS THE SALE OF ALCOHOL IS THE D OR THE D ONE.
UM, OTHERWISE, UH, THE SALE OF ALCOHOL WOULD JUST BE CONSIDERED A TYPICAL RETAIL USE.
UM, IT'S ONLY WHEN A D OVERLAY IS PRESENT THAT ALCOHOL SALES ARE NOT PERMITTED AT ALL.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE A D ONE OVERLAY, UM, UH, THEY NEED TO, UH, THEY REQUIRE AN S U BEFORE YOU CAN SELL ALCOHOL.
UM, AND I, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR DID POINT OUT I MISSPOKE.
UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR AN INITIAL THREE YEAR PERIOD, UH, BUT STILL WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL.
SO CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT USES SURROUNDING IT DO CURRENTLY PERMIT THE SALE OF ALCOHOL? UH, EVERYTHING ALONG THIS FRONTAGE OF, OF THE, OF THE STREET, UH, IS CURRENTLY IN A D OVERLAY, SO ON NO OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA IS ALCOHOL SALES CURRENTLY PERMITTED.
UM, DOES THAT, UH, AREA INCLUDE CLARENDON AT HAMPTON WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING CONVENIENCE STORE THAT SELLS LIQUOR OR BEER AND ALCOHOL? BEER AND WINE, NOT LIQUOR? YEAH, I'D HAVE TO LOOK UP, UH, THAT AREA ON THE ZONING MAP, WHICH THANKS TO OUR LOVELY NETWORK OUTAGE IS RUNNING REALLY SLOWLY RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I COULD LOOK THAT UP FOR YOU.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ZONING IS THERE, BUT THERE IS A CONVENIENCE STORE JUST A BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY THAT SHARES THE SAME OWNERSHIP.
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THANK YOU FOR THE, AS WELL AS THE TOM THUMB DOWN THE STREET.THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WELL NOW, UH, GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF YOU COULD READ INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE.
ITEM SEVEN KC TWO 12 DASH TWO 90.
AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.
AND TWO, A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON PROPERTY ZONE.
A C R D COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTHAMPTON ROAD IN BURLINGTON BOULEVARD.
STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE GREATER THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AND APPROVAL OF A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MULKEY.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, MA'AM.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH SONG WOODEN, P L L C.
WE'RE THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND.
THIS IS AN ETHNIC, UH, FOOD STORE WITH THE RESTAURANT AT TAQUERIA AND, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS TAKEN IT OVER DURING C UM, THAT'S WHEN, UH, I BELIEVE THAT THEY, UH, FIRST STARTED WITH THIS, UM, THIS BUSINESS.
AND SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT FOR IT, BUT THEY'VE BEEN, UH, KIND OF DEALING WITH A LOT OF COMPETITORS THAT ARE ABLE TO SELL BEER AND WINE.
AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ARE REQUESTING A D ONE OVERLAY.
UM, CURRENTLY THERE ARE NO PLANS TO SELL LIQUOR.
UM, WE DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND I BELIEVE I GAVE, UH, CITY PLANNER, UH, MULKEY A, UH, PRINTOUT OF AN EMAIL CHAIN FROM THE CITY, UH, FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS.
UH, THERE WERE HAMPTON HILLS, UH, WINTE HEIGHTS AND, UH, THE NORTH CLIP NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, AND THEY ALL DID A VOTE AND HAD A UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THE ITEM.
I'M GONNA RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? WELL, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER? ANY LAST QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND.
UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 1 12 2 90, I VOTE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER POPKIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN? YES, UM, I DID ALSO ATTEND THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND I WANNA COMMEND THE REPRESENTATIVES AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR ATTENDING.
UM, WE'VE GOT A GREAT RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBORS WHO ENJOYED MEETING THE PROPERTY OWNERS, LEARNING THAT THEY ALSO OWN THE, UM, SOMEWHAT NEW CONVENIENCE STORE DOWN THE STREET THAT ALSO SELLS BEER AND WINE.
UM, AND THEY REALLY CLEANED UP THAT PROPERTY.
THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY AND LET US KNOW THAT THEY HAD KEPT THE CONVENIENCE STORE OPEN DURING THE SNOWPOCALYPSE TO HELP MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS ABLE TO ACCESS FOOD IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, IT, SO IT WAS REALLY GREAT TO JUST MAKE THAT CONNECTION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TALK TO THEM ABOUT OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THEY COULD MAKE TO THE PROPERTY, SUCH AS SCREENING THEIR TRASH, POTENTIALLY, UM, INCLUDING A MURAL ON THEIR WEST FACING WALL.
SO IT WAS A GREAT CONNECTION AND, UM, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP WITH THESE PROPERTY OWNERS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. POPKIN.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN IS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONERS WILL MOVE TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT HAS NOT BEEN BRIEF.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING AND MS. MUNOZ ONLINE.
SETH, WE HAVE BRIEFED THIS ONE BEFORE.
CERTAINLY I'LL GO AHEAD AND START FROM THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE.
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SO THE REVISIONS MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME IT WAS AT CPC ON FIVE 18 INCLUDE PROVIDING, UM, UM, A FRONT YARD REQUIRED F 15 FEET ALONG SUNSET AVENUE AND A WESTERN SIDE YARD SETBACK OF FIVE FEET, AN INCREASE IN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROVIDED OF TO 10% FROM 5%, UM, GARAGE FACADE REQUIREMENTS.UH, SO ALL THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT APPLY TO THE MAIN STRUCTURE SINCE THE GARAGE IS GOING TO BE THE FIRST FLOOR, THEY WOULD ALSO APPLY ALL THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS TO THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE GARAGE PARKING AS WELL.
AND THEN FINALLY, UM, EV PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THE DOCKET POSTING, WE MADE EDITS TO CLARIFY THE EV AND PARKING STRUCTURE FACADE TREATMENT, AND MADE A CORRECTION TO REMOVE A REFERENCE TO ZANG BOULEVARD.
BUT OVERALL, YOU SEE HERE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS AND AS THEY'VE CHANGED THERE, THE ALL THE BLUE HIGHLIGHTS, AS I MENTIONED RIGHT NOW, AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION REMAINS APPROVAL AND IT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? YES.
UM, MRS. MUNOZ, I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY GO OVER THE, UH, FACADE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU AND I HAD TALKED THROUGH.
UM, COULD YOU WALK US THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, UM, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE NOW REQUIRED FOR THAT FIRST FLOOR IF YOU WANT? YEAH.
I THINK THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION IN THE PD JUST TO CALL SOME ATTENTION.
UM, LET ME JUST PULL UP THAT SECTION REAL QUICK, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT, IT REQUIRES FACADE ARTICULATION AND FOR A CERTAIN LENGTH AND THEN DEPTH AS WELL, AND THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS I'LL PULL UP IN JUST A MOMENT.
WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THE FACADE TREATMENT? NO, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
I, I WILL REITERATE MY QUESTION TO YOU BY EMAIL THAT, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS A SECTION IN HERE THAT SAYS IF IH IS IS MET.
IF THE IH REQUIREMENTS ARE MET AND, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS PROVIDED, THEN UH, THE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT, UH, REQUIRES DESIGN STANDARDS IS NOT APPLICABLE.
BUT THIS INCLUDES SEPARATE DESIGN STANDARDS, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND I HAVE THAT SECTION UP NOW, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? I'VE GOT ONE MORE TO USE, BUT I'M OF COURSE AFTER SHOOT.
WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE THOUGH, IS THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS RED TEXT IS WHAT WAS SENT TO YOU THIS MORNING TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR, ALTHOUGH I DID RECEIVE THE INTERPRETATION THAT IT DID APPLY TO THAT, I WANTED TO NOT LEAVE ROOM FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INTERPRETATIONS.
SO IT DOES ALSO INCLUDE THE PARKING STRUCTURES, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION AS PROPOSED.
SEE, THIS NOW COVERS IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY DID A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HERE WE STILL HAVE THE SECTION ON PARKING STRUCTURES SEPARATELY.
THAT WOULD REQUIRE EITHER THEM TO HAVE, UM, THE ACTIVE USES IN THE FIRST 25 FEET OF DEPTH OF THAT GROUND LEVEL.
OR THEY COULD ALSO HAVE AN EXTERIOR FACADE THAT IS SIMILAR IN MATERIALS ARCHITECTURE AND APPEARANCE TO THE FACADE OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
SO THIS WOULD BE IF IT'S A SEPARATE STRUCTURE FROM THE MAIN STRUCTURE.
BUT SINCE IT IS A PART OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE, IT QUALIFIES UNDER THE REGULAR DESIGN STANDARDS OF APPLICABILITY FOR, UM, NEW CONSTRUCTION IN GENERAL AND NOW INCLUDING PARKING STRUCTURES.
AND WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS WE HAVE THE STREET FACING FRONTAGES HAVING TO HAVE, UM, AT LEAST ONE WINDOW AND ONE COMMON PRIMARY ENTRANCE.
AND AT LEAST 60% OF STREET FACING DWELLING UNITS HAVE TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ENTRANCE.
AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THE BLANK WALL PROVISION FOR EVERY 25 LINEAR FEET
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OF CONTINUOUS STREET FRONTAGE, THERE HAS TO BE AN OPEN SPACE FRONTING FACADE.AND THEN THE INDIVIDUAL ENTRIES HAVE A ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS ONE EXCEPTION IN CASE THEY DO RETIREMENT HOUSING.
BUT THE, THE MAIN ONE IS THE FACADE ARTICULATION, WHICH I WAS TRYING TO DESCRIBE FOR MEMORY.
IT REQUIRES ANY FACADE EXCEEDING 30 FEET IN LENGTH TO THEN HAVE TWO OF THE FOLLOWING ELEMENTS, INCLUDING A CHANGE IN PLAIN, SUCH AS AN OFFSET REVEAL, RECESS OR PROJECTION.
SO THIS IS VERY TYPICAL LANGUAGE AND IT WOULD BE FOR A WIDTH NO LESS THAN TWO FEET OR 24 INCHES IN A DEPTH OF EIGHT INCHES.
SO WE WOULD SEE SOME VARIATION IN THAT FACADE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS NOT JUST ONE MASSIVE BLANK WALL ON THE FIRST LEVEL.
AND THAT SECTION ALSO INCLUDES THAT IF IT'S LONGER THAN A HUNDRED FEET, THEN THERE ARE FOUR OF THOSE THAT ARE REQUIRED, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I WANTED TO ALSO NOTE IN LODGING USES SECTION THAT IT INCLUDES THAT BOUTIQUE HOTEL WOULD BE ALLOWED BY S U P, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S RIGHT HERE.
I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF CONSTERNATION AND DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE WANTED TO SET THIS UP FOR THE EV PARKING, ALTHOUGH, UM, SOME PREVIOUS CASES HAVE BEEN TYING THE PARKING TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS WE DISCUSSED, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS OF TYING IT INSTEAD TO THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES VERSUS THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PER PROVIDED AND OPTED TO PROCEED WITH, UM, TYING THE PERCENTAGE OF EV PARKING SPACES TO THE PROVIDED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
BECAUSE, UM, IF A, IF A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS WERE TO PROVIDE AN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE LANDED, THAT IF A PROJECT SUCH AS THIS WERE TO PROVIDE MORE SPACES THAN REQUIRED, IF WE TIE IT TO THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES, THEY END UP WITH FEWER SPACES FOR A COMPLEX WITH THAT COULD END UP HAVING MORE TENANTS THAT ARE DRIVING.
WHEREAS IF WE TIE THE EV PARKING PERCENTAGE TO THE NUMBER OF PROVIDED SPACES, THEN A PROJECT THAT'S PROVIDING EXTRA SPACES THEN IS REQUIRED BY CODE WILL ALSO BE PROVIDING MORE EV SPACES, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANNA BE INCENTIVIZING, THAT IF YOU'RE DRIVING, YOU'RE HOPEFULLY DRIVING AN EV IF YOU'RE PROVIDING FEWER SPACES FOR YOUR TENANTS, THEN YOU CAN PROVIDE FEWER EV SPACES BECAUSE LIKELY YOUR TENANTS AREN'T DRIVING BECAUSE YOU'RE PROVIDING FEWER SPACES IN ANTICIPATION OF SOME FOLKS NOT OWNING CARS.
IS THAT KIND OF WHERE WE LANDED ON THIS ONE? CUZ IT'S DIFFERENT FROM OTHER, UM, PROJECTS WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
I KNOW THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE, UM, WE WANNA START STANDARDIZING THESE, UM, AND IT, IT, I FELT LIKE THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT TO MAKE.
UM, BUT THEN WE ALSO LANDED, I I THINK IT ORIGINALLY SAID TWO TO 7% OF SPACES THEN OUR EV CAPABLE AND WE DECIDED THAT WOULD END UP AT 25%.
IS THAT WHERE WE LANDED? 25% EV CAPABLE IN ADDITION TO THE EV READY? THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF OUR MAJOR CHANGES.
UM, IN READING THROUGH THESE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I MISSED THIS EARLIER AND NOW I'VE LOST IT ON THE PARKING GARAGE STANDARDS, UH, FOR THE, HERE IT IS AND THE PAGE WON'T COME UP.
IT'S ITEM THREE AND SECTION H DESIGN STANDARDS.
IT SAYS PARKING STRUCTURES, THE GROUND FLOOR, GROUND LEVEL FLOOR FACING THE STREET OF ANY MULTI-FLOOR PARKING FACILITY.
DO I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A SINGLE, AND AGAIN, I, I KNOW IT'S A, THERE'S NOT A PLAN ATTACHED TO THIS, BUT I THINK WHAT I HAD UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THEY'RE DOING PARKING ON THE GROUND FLOOR WITH UNITS ABOVE THAT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A MULTI-LEVEL PARKING STRUCTURE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHICH IS WHY WE INCLUDED IT IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR NEW INSTRUCTION IN GENERAL.
AND SO THERE, IT STILL HAS A FACADE ARTICULATION.
IT HAS AN OPENING THAT WILL RELATE GENERALLY TO THE FACADE EXPRESSION OF THE BUILDING, BUT WOULD NOT TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ACTIVE USE.
IS THAT CORRECT? BUT ALL THE OTHER COMPONENTS CAN APPLY? YES.
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OKAY.THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? HELLO.
OKAY, MS. MUNOZ, CAN YOU PLEASE READ IT INTO THE RECORD? ITEM NUMBER EIGHT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUB AREA ON PROPERTY ZONE SUB AREA FOUR WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE 16, THE JEFFERSON AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF SUNSET AVENUE AND SOUTH BISHOP AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
I WAS AT 39 0 4 ELM STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS, AND I'M HERE REPRESENTING JDE PROPERTIES IN THIS, UM, ON APRIL 20TH.
UH, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I WAS NOT HERE.
WE HAD A, A GREAT DISCUSSION, UH, ABOUT THIS AND WE HELD IT SO WE COULD REFINE IT.
UH, AND THE BIG QUESTIONS I HEARD, OR THE BIG CONCERN WAS THE, UH, THE LACK OF A CONTINUOUS SETBACK ALONG, UH, SUNSET AVENUE BECAUSE OUR PROPERTIES TO THE WEST HAD A 15 FOOT SETBACK AND WE WERE ASKING FOR ONE MUCH LESS THAN THAT.
UH, AFTER HEARING YOU ALL AND TALKING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER POPKIN, UH, AND STAFF, WE HAVE CHANGED THAT.
SO WE NOW HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK, UH, ALONG SUNSET.
AND, UM, WE ALSO WENT THROUGH AND DID A LOT OF THE REVISIONS THAT, UH, MS. MUNOZ JUST SPOKE ABOUT, UH, INCLUDING, UM, INCREASING EV PARKING REQUIREMENTS, UM, PROVIDING THE, THE, UH, SETBACK ALONG THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE, UH, DOUBLING THE REQUIREMENT FOR MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND, UH, STRENGTHENING THE, UH, GARAGE FACADE REQUIREMENTS.
ONE OTHER THING THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER POP AND I JUST DISCUSSED, AND I'M HERE TO OFFER UP, IS THAT ALONG SUNSET, WE'RE GONNA OFFER AN ADDITIONAL, UH, PLANTING GROUP, AN ENHANCED BUFFER AND AN ADDITIONAL PLANTING GROUP, UH, OF, OF TREES AND SHRUBS ALONG SUNSET BOULEVARD.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
UM, I'M GREAT TO SEE ALL THESE REVISIONS AND APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER PUCK ON THIS.
IN THE FACADE ARTICULATION STANDARDS, I NOTICED THAT TWO ARE CARRIED OVER FROM OUR STANDARD LANGUAGE, WHICH ARE A CHANGE IN COLOR AND A CHANGE IN TEXTURE.
I'M NOT SURE FULLY CAPTURE THE INTENT OF THAT.
WOULD YOU, UM, CONSIDER REMOVING THOSE FROM THE FACADE ARTICULATION REQUIREMENTS? IT STILL LEAVES YOU SIX IN YOUR TWO OR FOUR.
WELL, UM, I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT, AS YOU KNOW.
UM, THESE ARE THE STANDARD REQUIREMENTS WE, WE FIND IN OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE PROVIDE FOUR OF 'EM.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK, I CAN HAVE MY ARCHITECT HERE, UH, WHO'S STANDING BEHIND ME IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO 'EM ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO TRY TO TIE HIS HAND WHERE MARK, HE WAS UP THERE, NOW HE'S HERE.
SO, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
MY NAME IS MARK LEON WITH CROSS ARCHITECTS.
IT'S, UH, 87 9 JUNCTION DRIVE, ALLEN, TEXAS.
UH, YOU MENTIONED STRIKING TWO OF THE EIGHT ITEMS FROM THE SELECTIONS.
CAN YOU REITERATE TO ME THE OTHER SIX THAT WOULD BE REMAINING? JUST TO ENSURE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY PROMISES.
SO, UM, AND I'M GONNA ABBREVIATE THESE, BUT THE FIRST ONE IS THE CHANGE IN PLANE, SO AN OFFSET OR REVEAL RECESS OR PROJECTION.
UM, SECOND ONE IS ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS SUCH AS RAISED BANDS OR CORNICES, THIRD ARCHITECTURALLY PROMINENT ENTRANCES.
UH, FOURTH ATTACHED TOWER TURRET, UH, E IS OR FIVE IS AWNINGS.
THE NEXT ONE IS CHANGE IN COLOR.
THERE'S A CHANGE IN MATERIAL AND CHANGE IN TEXTURE.
AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY GENERALLY IT WOULD SEEM THE MATERIAL WOULD COVER AN INTENT OF A, UM, COLOR OR TEXTURE.
AND THOSE JUST DON'T SEEM TO BE REALLY SPEAKING TO WHAT I WOULD UNDERSTAND THE INTENT OF A FACADE ARTICULATION MIGHT BE.
YEAH, I COULD DEFINITELY SEE THAT SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT, BUT WITH THE SIX THAT WOULD BE REMAINING, IF WE WERE TO STRIKE THE ITEM F AND G AND KEEP A THROUGH E AND ALSO THE H ITEM, WE CAN DEFINITELY STILL SELECT FOUR OF THOSE SIX AND ADHERE TO WHAT WE'RE, UH, SHOWING IN THE PD LANGUAGE.
COULD YOU TELL ME THE LETTERS THAT YOU JUST SAID ARE OKAY TO REMOVE? UH, WE COULD ADHERE TO THE ITEMS A THROUGH E AND GOT IT.
SO WE WOULD REMOVE F AND G IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR REQUEST.
OH, WELL I WAS LEAVING MATERIAL TO GIVE YOU BETTER FLEXIBILITY.
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OKAY.SO, BUT I, I'M FINE WITH WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE
SO JUST REMOVE F, REMOVING F ONLY, IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? F AND H.
SO KEEPING THE, OKAY, SO A THROUGH E WE WOULD KEEP AS WELL AS G, CORRECT? YES.
YEAH, F AND H CAN BE REMOVED AND WE CAN STILL HAVE FOUR EASY OPTIONS TO STILL ADHERE TO THESE, THESE ITEMS REQUIRED ON THAT FACADE WITHOUT AN ISSUE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
UM, UH, THANK YOU FOR OFFERING TO ADD ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LONG BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION, UM, TRYING TO UNDERSCORE THE ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT SINCE WE ARE GONNA HAVE A PARKING GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR IN THIS VERY WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND, AND WE'D SPOKEN ABOUT, UM, IS YOUR CLIENT OKAY WITH ADDING AN EXTRA PLANTING GROUP EVERY 35 FEET WITHIN THAT? I THINK IT'S 135 FOOT LONG STRETCH ALONG, UH, SUNSET.
WHERE WE'LL HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK FOR PLANTING? YES, WE HAVE THAT SETBACK NOW.
AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF OUR, UH, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES WILL GO AS WELL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER POPKIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO 12 DASH 32 1, I MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CASE AS, UM, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF WITH TWO ADDITIONAL, UM, CHANGES TO THE PD ADD SECTION D UNDER SEVEN, UH, SECTION SEVEN, UM, UH, REFERENCING PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES THAT SAYS ENHANCED BUFFER OF FACADE LANDSCAPING TO MEET ARTICLE X REQUIREMENTS WITH AT LEAST ONE PLANTING GROUP FOR EVERY 35 FEET.
A PLANTING GROUP INCLUDES STREET TREES, CANOPY, TREE, AND SHRUBS, AND THEN ALSO REMOVE IN SECTION TWO FACADE ARTICULATION OPTIONS, REMOVE, UM, OPTION NUMBER F AND H FN.
WAS THAT F AND H OR F N G? F AND H.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR, FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION COMMENTS? UH, I I JUST REALLY WANNA, UM, THANK THE DEVELOPER FOR PUTTING IN THE HARD WORK TO FINALIZE THESE PLANS, UM, BOTH AT THE HORSESHOE AND BACK IN THE OFFICE AFTER WE DISCUSSED IT.
UM, I'M REALLY HOPING THIS IS GONNA BE A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK IT WILL BE, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL OF THESE RECENT CHANGES TO, TO IMPROVE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF IT ALL.
UM, SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK.
COMMISSIONER POP POPKIN, UH, HAY CHAIR RUBIN, JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE, UH, PLANTING GROUP DEFINITION.
I HEARD ONE TYPE OF TREE CANOPY, TREES AND SHRUBS.
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE AN AND OR AN OR ARE YOU REQUIRING TWO TREE TREES OF DIFFERENT TYPES WITHIN EACH PLANTING GROUP, OR ARE WE GIVING THEM THE OPTION? UM, I INITIALLY GOT THIS LANGUAGE, UM, FROM, CAN MR. BALDWIN JUMP IN HERE? YEAH.
SO A PLANTING GROUP IS A DEFINED TERM IN ARTICLE 10, AND IT CAN EITHER BE A TREE AND SHRUBS OR TWO SMALLER TREES, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S SEVERAL OPTIONS TO GIVE YOU WHAT A PLANTING GROUP IS.
AND YOU, UH, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ONE EVERY 50 FEET AND WE'RE OFFERING TO ONE EVERY 35 FEET.
SO I COULD AMEND MY LANGUAGE TO SAY AS DEFINED IN ARTICLE X OR ARTICLE 10.
OKAY, WE'LL MAKE THAT AMENDMENT THEN.
I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE COMMISSIONER POP'S WORK ON THIS.
I THINK IT HAS MUCH IMPROVED FROM WHEN WE HEARD THIS OUR LAST TIME.
AND I'M, UH, ALSO WANTED TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE UPDATE IN THE BUILDING ARTICULATION STANDARDS.
COMMISSIONER HERBERT? SAME HERE.
UM, I, THIS IS KIND OF MY FIRST ROUND WATCHING THIS BACK AND FORTH, COMING BACK, AND THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PLAN.
I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THIS DEVELOP.
UH, WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO, SO I JUST SAY DITTO.
WELL THEN, COMMISSIONER POPKIN, UH, THIS IS A MUCH BETTER PROJECT THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE APPLICANT FOR YOUR FLEXIBILITY.
AND, UH, ALSO CAN'T WAIT TO VISIT THE SITE COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER POPKIN SECOND BY BY CHAIR RUBIN TO CLOSE UP WITH HEARING AND FOLLOW SUBJECT AND FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT
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TO CONDITIONS, UH, AND THE THREE ADJUSTMENTS THAT COMMISSIONER FAKIN MADE IN REGARDS TO PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, F AND H.AND I BELIEVE THE LANGUAGE IN REGARDS TO ARTICLE 10.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA FLIP TO CASE NUMBER 12.
UH, THE TWO CASES WHERE WE NEED AN INTERPRETER, WE'LL TAKE THEM ON NOW.
UH, MS. ALGIRE, AND IS OUR INTERPRETER READY TO GO? I'M NOT SURE WHO THE 12, IT'S GONNA BE 12 AND 16.
CAN YOU TURN THE MICROPHONE ON? I'M SORRY.
I THINK THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD REQUESTED THE INTERPRETER FOR 12 IS, IS NO LONGER HERE.
I'LL TURN IT, NO, TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE CHAIR.
AN INTERPRETER WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTED FOR THIS CASE AS WELL, AND THE INTERPRETER WILL, UH, STAY HERE UNTIL, I'M SORRY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE, ON THE MICROPHONE? MR. PEP? AN INTERPRETER WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTED FOR THIS CASE AS WELL, AND I WILL BE HERE UNTIL I'M EXCUSED.
ACTUALLY, WE HAVE NOT BRIEFED THIS ITEM.
THAT'S NOT BEEN, YEAH, SO WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD MAKE IT WORK.
OKAY, I'LL GET STARTED REAL QUICK.
THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED A R 10 SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ADEL ROAD IN RAVEN VIEW ROAD.
IT'S LOCATED IN FOREST, SOUTHEAST DALLAS, AND HERE IT IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED SLASH AGRICULTURAL.
ARADEL AND RAVEN US DATED, UH, TO THE WEST IS OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMIT.
UH, TO THE NORTH THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY AGRICULTURAL USES, ADDITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY TO THE EAST.
UH, TO THE SOUTH, THERE'S A MIX OF PROPERTIES.
THERE IS, I'M TRYING TO GO AND ORDER AS BEST I CAN.
OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE, A VEHICLE ENGINE, LIGHT REPAIR, MAINTENANCE AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, UH, MIX OF DIFFERENT PROPERTIES IN THE SOUTH.
THEY'RE CURRENTLY REQUESTING THAT CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE USE OR DISTRICT, AND THEIR PROPOSED USES IN OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE.
THE CS COMMERCIAL DISTRICT ALLOWS SEVERAL HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THAT GIVE TANGIBLE LAND USE IMPACTS ON ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.
QUICKLY SHOW THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
UM, AND AS THE REPORT STATES, THERE ARE, UH, THEIR DEGREE OF LIMITS THAT, UM, RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY AND PARTS ON COMMERCIAL ZONING SUCH AS THIS.
UM, IT WOULD STILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE SURROUNDING ESTABLISHED PATTERN IN TERMS OF LOT COVERAGE, NOT, NOT TO MENTION USES AS WELL, AND THEY MIGHT, THEY WOULD LIKELY BE ABLE TO BUILD THE, UH, THE FULL HEIGHT AT, UM, AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.
UM, HERE IS THE SITE FROM RAVEN VIEW, LOOKING NORTH, THEN FARTHER WEST, STILL LOOKING AT THE SITE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
I BELIEVE I'VE TURNED THE CORNER HERE UP ADEL LOOKING
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AT EAST.AND THIS IS THE NORTH MOST PART OF THE PROPERTY AT, UH, ADEL LOOKING EAST.
SO THEN THIS IS BACK ON THE, UH, SOUTHEAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A, UH, HOME TO THE SOUTH ACROSS RAVEN VIEW, A LITTLE BIT FARTHER EAST.
THERE'S A, UH, BUILDING UP PRESENTS AS A HOME AND SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND AND FARTHER FURTHER FIELD, THERE IS A WAREHOUSE.
THERE'S A SMALL OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE, UH, TO THE SOUTH ACROSS, UH, RAVEN VIEW.
LOOKING AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE CITY OF WALK SPRINGS DOES PRESENT A SINGLE FAMILY, AS DOES, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL IS BASED ON THE CURRENT ZONING, OBVIOUSLY, AND NOT THE ADJACENT LAND USES IT.
IT IS BASED ON THE ESTABLISHED PATTERN, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, VIABILITY OF THE SITE, INCLUDING YOUR AWARENESS OF THE USE TO THE WEST AND TO THE SOUTHWEST.
AND THE I AM AWARE, YEAH, WE ARE AWARE OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE ESTABLISHED ACROSS RAVEN VIEW.
UM, HOWEVER, NONE OF THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED TO THE NORTH, UM, OF, EXCUSE ME, THE NORTH OF RAVEN VIEW.
ALL, EVERYTHING NORTH OF RAVEN VIEW IS SINGLE FAMILY.
IN TERMS OF ZONING, IN TERMS OF REALITY, THE, I WON'T HAVE AS MUCH DATA ON THE PROPERTIES IN THE WEST SIDE OF ADEL AS THOSE ARE IN CITY BOX SPRINGS.
I CAN'T CONFIRM USES OR ZONING THERE.
UH, THAT SAID, IT'S STILL AN, IT'S STILL A SINGLE BLOCK IN WHICH WE'VE GOT SINGLE FAMILY, UH, IN RESIDENTIAL USES ON, ON THE CITY SIDE, ON THE NORTHEAST COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, YES.
THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, UH, ALONG THE STREET APPEARS TO BE A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, BUT NORTH OF THAT IS A PROPERTY WITH ALL MANNER OF LOOKS LIKE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES PARKED ON IT.
IS THAT A NON-CONFORMING USE, AN ILLEGAL USE? I HAVEN'T CONFIRMED IF THAT'S A NON, IF THAT IS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMING, UM, IT'S OBVIOUSLY NONCONFORMING DUE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING OF THE SITE.
UM, SO AS A RESULT, THAT DIDN'T PLAY MUCH ROLE IN THE RECOMMENDATION SINCE IT IS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY ONLY ZONING.
BUT I AM AWARE OF, I'M AWARE OF THIS, SEVERAL VEHICLES ON THE, UH, REAR OF THAT FROM ARIEL.
UH, THAT SAID, IT DOESN'T, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY SEE THAT, UM, FROM THE STREET.
WELL, AND IT'S ALSO CONFUSING TO ME BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE A LANDLOCKED PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT CLEAR WHERE I, I DID, YEAH, I NOTICED THAT.
THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, IS IT NOT? UM, DID, DID, I NOTICED YOU DID NOT, IN YOUR REPORT, YOU DIDN'T MAKE MENTION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, ERODE AND, UM, RAVEN VIEW AT THAT PARTICULAR SITE.
NO CURBS, NO GUTTERS, NO CURB, UH, NO, UH, IN INFERIOR.
UM, IT'S NOT TRUE THAT THE ROADS ARE INFERIOR AND NARROW.
I'LL CONFIRM THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
INFERIOR IS SUBJECTIVE, BUT THEY ARE, UM, THEY ARE FAIRLY UNDEVELOPED AND SMALL.
WELL, OKAY, LET ME PUT IT THEN, LET ME, LET ME REPHRASE THAT.
WOULD THAT NOT BE, UM, INCONSISTENT TO THE, WITH THE NEEDS OF HAVING A COMMERCIAL, I MEAN A CS OR WAREHOUSE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD NEED, UH, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY? UM, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE LIGHT.
IF IT INCLUDES THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES THAT PERMITTED BY CS, THAT WOULD, UH, POTENTIALLY BE A CAUSE PER CONCERN.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, CAN WE GET THAT RIGHT INTO THE RECORD PLEASE? OKAY.
Z 22 3,104 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CS SINGLE FAMILY, OR EXCUSE ME, CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON
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PROPERTY ZONED R 10, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ADEL ROAD IN RAVEN VIEW ROAD.IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I'VE GOT PRESENTATION, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON.
MY NAME IS STACY ESPINOZA AND HERE FOR THE ADDRESS 1700 ARROWDALE ROAD.
UM, I KNOW THEY DENIED THE CASE, BUT THERE'S ALREADY ONE, UM, KIND OF BUILDING OF THE SAME THING THAT WE WANT TO DO ON ARROWDALE.
SO, SO THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE FOR, I DON'T HAVE TO CONTROL THIS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US? I THE POWERPOINT? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S ONE HERE.
IS THERE A PRESENTATION HERE, MR. PEPE? THERE? OKAY.
UM, IF YOU COULD MAYBE STEP A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE SO OUR FOLKS ONLINE CAN HEAR YOU.
OKAY, SO THE BUILDING THAT WE WANT TO DO, IT'S, UM, SEVEN UH, THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT FOOTAGE WITH THE OFFICE SALES AREA AND A SPACE FOR OR STORED THE MATERIAL.
THERE IS ONE ALREADY OF THE ON DALE.
UM, LET ME SEE IF I CAN SHOW YOU.
THIS ONE HERE IS ON THE SAME STREET OF, UM, ARUNDALE.
SO I DON'T SEE WHY IF THEY GET APPROVED, THIS ONE WE CAN GET ONE IN THE SAME, UM, STREET ON ARROWDALE OR IS THIS CLOSE TO THIS ONE? AND LET ME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK TO THIS, UM, PREVIOUS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YEAH, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO SHOW YOU EVERYTHING HERE.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME OVER HERE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? UH, YES, MY NAME'S SORO GARCIA.
I RESIDE AT 1200 MAIN, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,202.
UM, I ACTUALLY AM FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY AND THE PROJECT IN, IN QUESTION.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS WILL BE ACTING AS A DISTRIBUTION CENTER, NOT A FABRICATING CENTER, NOT A PACKAGING CENTER.
THE MATERIALS WILL BE PREPACKAGED AND DELIVERED ACCORDINGLY.
UM, NOW THE THOROUGHFARE ON RAVEN VIEW IS SUFFICIENT FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
DOES HAVE ACCESS TO THE HIGHWAYS, TO THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES ON EITHER SIDE AS WELL AS SPRING GARDEN.
THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? I'M SORRY? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? UM, YES.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.
CAN YOU CLARIFY THE LOCATION OF THIS OTHER BUILDING? IS IT TO THE WEST OF YOUR LOCATION OR THE SOUTH? IT IS SOUTH.
IT'S ACROSS THE STREET ON ARROWDALE? YES, MA'AM.
AND, UM, MR. PEPE, SO THE LOCATION THEY'RE CITING TO IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND TO CONFIRM, WHAT IS THE ZONING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD? IT'S SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD IS IN THE CITY LIMIT.
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AND I'LL NEED ONE MINUTE TO CONFIRM THAT FOR YOU.NO, THAT'S THE WEST SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROAD.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ZONING DISTRICTS.
THERE'S R 75, BUT I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE AT THE CORNER, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS CS ZONING.
SO IT'S COMMERCIAL SERVICE LIKE THIS, HOWEVER, IT DOES HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
CAN YOU PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ABOUT THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS? I DON'T HAVE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR THAT PROPERTY IN FRONT OF ME.
UM, I CAN PRODUCE THEM WITH A LITTLE, LITTLE TIME, UH, BUT THEY DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE AN ABILITY TO LIMIT, UM, OTHER USES IN, IN A DISTRICT OR ADD OTHER KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS.
SO I WILL PULL THOSE UP FOR YOU AS SOON AS I CAN.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, I'M SORRY.
WELL, MINE IS JUST THE FOLLOW UP, THE LOGICAL FOLLOW UP TO THAT, WHICH IS, IF IN FACT THAT IS CS AND WAS APPROVED AS CS, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RATIONALE IF THAT'S NOT IN BOB SPRINGS, BUT IS IN FACT, AS YOU SAID, IN THE DALLAS CITY LIMITS OF NOT ALLOWING THIS ONE TO BE CS? THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST PART OF IT.
UH, THAT PROPERTY DOESN'T HAVE, UH, THE SAME RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THAT THIS ONE HAS.
THIS ONE HAS SINGLE FAMILY ON TWO SIDES ON EITHER SIDE TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST, UH, IN TERMS OF ZONING AND USE.
AND SO THIS, THAT ONE IS ON A BLOCK THAT HAS OTHER, UH, OTHER COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS TO IT, INCLUDING OTHER, UH, WAREHOUSING USES AND OTHER SHOWROOM USES.
AND THEN THE PROPERTY TO THAT ONE'S EAST IS NSA, WHICH IS A LIGHT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
SO IT IS FAIRLY INCOMPARABLE BECAUSE OF THE DIRECT RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY AND THE NATURE OF THE CONSISTENT NATURE OF THE BLOCK IS SINGLE FAMILY ON THE NORTH SIDE.
I WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD, THAT'S WHY I WANTED THAT.
RUBIN, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR, FOR I GUESS THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVE.
IS THE TEMPLATE FOR YOUR SLIDE DECK THE SAME TEMPLATE THAT CITY STAFF USES FOR THEIR PRESENTATIONS? UM, I BELIEVE SO, YES.
HOW DID YOU GET THAT TEMPLATE? I, I, I DIDN'T PUT IT TOGETHER, SO I REALLY CAN'T CLARIFY.
UM, BUT I DO JUST WANT TO STATE THE THING.
THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY FOR, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION OR SOMETHING THAT YOU'D LIKE TO STATE? WELL, SHE ASKED WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE, THE TWO AND WHY ONE WAS APPROVED COMMERCIAL.
THE OTHER WAS, WOULD NOT BE, HE STATED THAT THERE WAS NO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO THAT, UH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT TRUE.
THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ON ARROWDALE ADJACENT TO THAT BUSINESS AS WELL.
UH, COMMISSIONER, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR ANSWER, MA'AM? CAN YOU YES.
IN REGARDS TO HER QUESTION OF WHY ONE BUSINESS WAS APPROVED CS OR ZONE CS AND THE OTHER WOULD NOT BE, UH, WHAT THE RATIONALE HE SAID WAS THAT THERE WAS NO RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO THAT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY INACCURATE.
THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ADJACENT TO THAT OTHER SIDE ON ARROWDALE TO THAT BUSINESS.
JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PROPERTY THAT IS CS, UM, OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT ONE WITH THE ATIONS AS DISCUSSED, TO CLARIFY, TO BE CLEAR.
SO THE EAST OF THAT IS NSA ZONING.
IT IS, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT PRESENTS AS SINGLE FAMILY OR, UM, LOOKS LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
IT'S ZONED AS N S A, UH, SO IT'S A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONERS.
NO, UH, WAS, DO YOU KNOW IF THERE WAS EVER A DISCUSSION OF MAYBE DOING SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS TO MAYBE SOFTEN SOME OF THE USES? EXCUSE ME.
DID WERE, DID YOU EVER HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS IN REGARDS TO OFFERING SOME DEED RESTRICTIONS TO MAYBE SOFTEN SOME OF THE USES ALLOWED?
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I, UNFORTUNATELY, I CAME IN ON THE TAIL END OF THIS.UM, I'M GONNA SAY THAT I TOOK A CRASH COURSE YESTERDAY WITH THIS, UM, AND I DID IN FACT VISIT THE, THE SITE IN THE AREA AND TOOK SEVERAL PICTURES OF, OF, UH, 18 WHEELERS DRIVING THROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE OF, UH, RAVEN VIEW.
SO, UM, WHICH GAVE ME ALL THE CONFIDENCE TO BELIEVE THAT THAT PROPERTY COULD SERVE AS A LIGHT COMMERCIAL BECAUSE IT WOULD, AGAIN, JUST BE A, SIMPLY BE A DISTRIBUTION CENTER FOR, UH, MASONRY.
QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER C NONE.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS, UM, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 0 4, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, WHEN I ORIGINALLY, UH, SAW THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CASE, TALKED TO, UM, MS. ESPINOZA AND GOT THE, UH, AND REVIEWED THE REQUEST, WHEN WITH THE, THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, I HAD TO SEE IT FOR MYSELF.
I HAD TO GO OUT, I HAD TO SEE WHY WAS THERE A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL.
I LITERALLY WENT OUT THERE, DROVE ALL AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S RIGHT ON THE BORDERLINE OF BOX SPRINGS AND THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND ACTUALLY IN ORDER TO GET THERE, I HAD TO DRIVE THROUGH ROCK SPRINGS.
I WENT, I WENT AROUND THE CORNER IN A DEEP RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND AS PEOPLE WERE GETTING OUT, I STOPPED MY CAR AND I TALKED TO THEM AND EVERYONE I TALKED TO HAD THE SAME COMPLAINT AND CONCERN.
WE DON'T HAVE CURBS, WE DON'T HAVE GUTTERS.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, UM, NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH FOR THE BIG RIGS THAT WE SEE THAT COME DOWN AND GET STUCK IN THE DITCHES.
THEY GO DOWN THE STREET, YEAH, BUT THEY CAN'T TURN AROUND, WHICH REQUIRES BIG RIGS, 18 WHEELERS TO GO TO THE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE TO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TURN AROUND AND YOU HAVE TO GO COMPLETELY THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND MY CONCERN WAS THAT THE, IF YOU HAVE, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE CURBS, YOU DON'T HAVE GUTTERS AND YOU HAVE CHILDREN, IF YOU HAVE A CAR THAT'S TRYING TO COME IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION, THE ROAD'S NOT, NOT, NOT SUFFICIENT ENOUGH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN A DITCH.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO RESPONSE AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS JUST, SORRY, TIME FOR MOTION.
I DID TALK TO ONE OF THE COMMUNITY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS A CHURCH AND THERE WAS, AND RIGHT NEXT TO A CHURCH IS A RESIDENT.
AND THE GUY THAT WAS CUTTING THE YARD FOR THE CHURCH WHO LIVES IN THE RESIDENCE, HE, HE WAS VERY CON HE, HE WAS CONCERNED AND I ASSURED HIM THAT I WOULD HEAR HIS CONCERN.
SO BASED ON THAT, I'M ASKING THAT YOU FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL WITH, AND I'M ASKING THAT IT BE DONE WITHOUT PREJUDICE SO THAT IF THERE IS ANOTHER, UH, TYPE OF SERVICES THAT WOULD, WOULD WANNA COME IN THAT'S MORE SUITABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY THAT WE ACCEPT THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SEEING NONE THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 0 4, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, SECONDLY BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL, BUT WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION.
WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ORDER NOW.
UH, THAT TAKES US BACK TO CASE NUMBER NINE, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED.
WE'LL GO BACK TO MS. MUNOZ ONLINE.
TAKE A BREAK ACTUALLY, MS. MUNOZ, WHILE YOU GET, UH, SET UP.
WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 10 MINUTE BREAK? IT'S 2 23.
WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET BACK ON THE RECORD.
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WE'RE ALL RECORDING.UH, IT IS 2:38 PM UH, WE'RE GONNA HEAD RIGHT BACK INTO THE DOCKET.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY APOLOGIES, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT JUMPING AROUND.
WE HAVE SOME, SOME MOVING PARTS.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO TO CASE NUMBER 14.
AND MS. MUNOZ, THAT WOULD BE Z 2 1 2 3 0 1.
WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 14 AND MS. MUNOZ.
SO AFTER THAT, JUST ONE MOMENT.
I'M SORRY, I HAD THE NEXT ONE IN ORDER PREPARED INSTEAD.
WE'RE READY FOR YOU WHENEVER YOU ARE.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW AS SOON AS YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN.
SO CASE NUMBER 14 IS Z 2 1 2 3 0 1.
THIS CASE WAS REMANDED FROM CITY COUNCIL.
AND ACTUALLY I DID BRIEF THIS ONE EARLIER.
SO AM I JUST TO READ IT ON THE RECORD, MS. YES.
MS. S, WE HAVE ALREADY BRIEFED THIS ONE.
IF YOU CAN JUST READ IT ON THE RECORD AND WE'LL BE IN THE HEARING.
SO CASE NUMBER 14 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN EXPANSION OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 1 38.
AND FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN OUTSIDE STORAGE USE ON PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 1 38 AND A GR GENERAL RETAIL SUB-DISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND SOUTHWEST CORNER OF MAPLE AVENUE AND VAGA STREET STAFF.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
GOOD AFTERNOON, CARL CROWLEY, 2201 MAIN STREET.
UM, I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION THAT COULD LAST BUT I'M NOT GONNA DO IT BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE LIKE BAZILLION CASES ALREADY, STILL LEFT.
UM, THIS IS A REQUEST THAT Y'ALL SAW WHAT, TWO MONTHS AGO.
UH, WENT TO THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL MEMBER REMANDED BACK FOR Y'ALL FROM THE U FOR THE SAME USE.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH, UM, WE'VE TWEAKED A COUPLE THINGS, UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND AND DANNY IN OUR OFFICE THAT Y'ALL KNOW.
AND I'VE, UH, TRADED EMAILS BACK AND FORTH AND WE JUST TALKED A MOMENT AGO, SO I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK LONG.
SHE HAS SOME CHANGES THAT SHE WAS GONNA READ IN THE RECORD.
WE'RE OKAY WITH THOSE CHANGES.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IT'S THE SAME USE BASICALLY Y'ALL PROVED BEFORE WITH A, WITH A SUSPENDER TO ADDED TO THE BELT.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH SAYS IT.
SO, UM, I'LL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARLEY? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
AND I MAY NEED ONE ASSIST FROM MS. MUNOZ ON AN ITEM NUMBER, BUT ON CASE NUMBER Z TWO 12 DASH 3 0 1 I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR THE, UH, EXPANSION OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SUB-DISTRICT 1 38.
AND FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN OPEN STORAGE ON PROP PROPERTY ZONE SUB-DISTRICT NUMBER 1 38 GR RETAIL WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES ON THE S U P REQUIREMENTS FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
AND TO INCLUDE OR TO REVISE THE FENCING PROVISIONS TO READ THAT A SIX FOOT SCREENING WALL BE MAXIMUM OF SIX FEET.
AND MY APOLOGIES, I'VE LOST MY NOTE.
A MAXIMUM OF SIX FOOT FENCES MUST HAVE
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MASONRY COLUMNS WITH DECORATIVE METAL PANELS EXCEPT FOR REQUIRED SCREENING FOR ALL FENCE PANELS AT FRONT OR SIDE YARDS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 50% OPEN.THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOU SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND I'LL BE BRIEF.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THIS.
I THINK WE ALL MAY REMEMBER WE HEARD THIS CASE, UM, AND IT WAS RECOMMENDED TO CITY, UM, COUNSEL FOR APPROVAL.
UM, THERE IS CONCERNS THAT THIS LAND IS GOING TO REDEVELOP THAT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT ITS LONG TERM USE.
UM, HOWEVER, THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS IN OUR AREA.
UM, THEY NEED SOME ADDITIONAL ROOM.
UM, WE CRAFTED PROVISIONS TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY, UM, WITH THE AREA AS IT'S TRANSITIONING, BUT WITH CONSIDERING AN S U P, I THINK FIVE YEARS GIVES US THE APPROPRIATE TIMEFRAME TO EVALUATE THIS AND MAKE ANY NECESSARY ADJUSTMENTS.
SO I HOPE MY COMMISSIONERS, UH, WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I HAD SOME HEARTBURN ABOUT THIS ONE THE LAST TIME, BUT UM, I'M PLEASED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION TODAY.
I THINK THE FIVE YEAR WITH NO AUTO RENEWAL STRIKES THE RIGHT BALANCE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
COMMISSIONERS WILL CONTINUE OUR, OUR JUMPING AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 18, WHICH UH, HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED, I BELIEVE MS. MR. PEPE.
HELLO? YEAH, WE NEED TO BRIEF THIS ONE, PLEASE.
THIS IS GOING TO BE Z 2 2 3 1 49.
ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA HOLD THIS CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT SO THERE'S NO NEED TO BRIEF IT TODAY.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST READ IN THE RECORD ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN LO THREE LIMITED OFFICE AND A CS COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF HASKELL AVENUE NORTHWEST OF WORTH STREET STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS CON, I'M SORRY, THIS IS UNUSUAL.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN NSA NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR.
UH, MICHAEL DAVIS, 28 0 7 ALLEN, DALLAS, TEXAS DAVIS' BUSINESS SERVICES REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, UM, AS A FORMER VICE CHAIR CPC.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR VOLUNTEERISM AND YOUR LONG JUNE MEETINGS.
I KNOW THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING
UM, WE DID WORK, UH, WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN APPROVAL.
THEY SENT A LETTER ON H OA PEAKS EDITION WORK WITH COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, AND WE HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS, WHICH I BELIEVE,
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UH, STAFF HAS NOW, UM, FOR OUR CR DISTRICT WITH SOME, UH, COMPROMISE.SO IF I NEED TO, I CAN READ THOSE INTO THE RECORD.
AND THE UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, SHE NEEDS US OFFICIALLY READ.
I CAN UH, READ THAT IN NOW SO YOU HAVE THAT GOING FORWARD PLEASE.
IS IT AN EXTENSIVE LIST? OH IT IS.
AND YOU KNOW, I WILL, SINCE THE CASE IS GONNA GET HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, IF YOU CAN VERY WELL JUST EMAIL ISSUE, ACTUALLY EMAIL IT TO, UH, MS. SINA AND SHE WILL FORWARD IT TO US.
WE'LL, I'VE EMAILED TO THE, UH, TO MR. PEPE, SO I'LL DO THAT TO MS. SINA AS WELL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER, QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO AND I HAVE VERY BRIEF COMMENTS.
FIVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 49.
I MOVE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL JULY 6TH.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, I APPRECIATE, UM, MR. DAVIS BEING HERE TODAY WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, WE DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING.
I THINK THERE'S GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT THIS, UM, CASE IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT WE DID HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION TODAY AND TO GIVE STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO VET IT IN ALL MY COMMISSIONERS TO, UM, UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
UM, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED TO HOLD IT UNDER ADVISEMENT SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS COMING BACK AND THANK YOU ALL.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? HABIT? UH, WE'LL GO TO CASE NUMBER 19.
AND ON THIS ONE I'VE ALREADY BRIEFED, SO I'M JUST READING IT INTO THE RECORD.
YES, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT INSIDE, LIMITED TO A LIVE MUSIC VENUE AND A COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT OUTSIDE ON PROPERTY OWNED AN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAMUEL BOULEVARD BETWEEN SIDLEY AVENUE AND OWEN WOOD AVENUE STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A THREE-YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A REVISED SITE PLAN, A LAND DATE, LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNOZ.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
1414 BELLEVUE STREET, SUITE ONE 50, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,215.
HERE TO REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE OPERATOR FOR THIS, I BELIEVE MS. MUNOZ HAS MY THREE SLIDES AND I WANNA GO TO SLIDE NUMBER THREE.
THAT'S THE ONE OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.
IS IT NOT THERE YET? LET'S SEE.
NO, I'M STILL SEEING SLIDE ONE WITH THE AERIAL.
IT'S, IT'S ON THE RIGHT ONE FOR ME.
OKAY, WELL IN THE MEANTIME, I WAS LISTENING TO THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING.
UM, WE DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OUTDOOR SPEAKERS.
THEY WILL BE SHUT OFF BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
UH, OUR INSIDE COMMERCIAL IS FOR LIVE MUSIC TO BE PLAYED INSIDE THE RESTAURANT.
UH, THAT WOULD ALSO HAVE TO STAY INDOORS AFTER 10 O'CLOCK.
THE MUSIC MAY BE PLAYING ON THE SPEAKERS OUTSIDE AT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS.
UH, AFTER HAVING SOME MORE CONVERSATION WITH THE OPERATORS THIS MORNING.
THE REASON BEING IS WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE BRINGING THEIR PHONES AND THEIR EXTERNAL BLUETOOTH SPEAKERS AND PLAYING THEIR OWN MUSIC AT THE COURTS.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT REAL CHAOS WHEN YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT GENRES OF MUSIC PLAYING AT ONE TIME.
SO WE THINK IT'D BE BEST IF IT WAS ALL UNIFORM ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO WITH THAT, UH, IF WE CAN GET THE LANDSCAPE PLANNED TO SHOW UP, IS IT STILL NOT THE RIGHT PLAN? YOU GOT IT, BRIAN.
I WANTED TO BRING YOU A COLOR VERSION OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN GET TO SEE THE BLACK AND WHITE ONE THIS MORNING.
SO IT'D BE NICE IF YOU COULD SEE WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU WERE ACTUALLY, UH, VOTING ON.
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AND WE DID THIS IN COLOR SO YOU COULD SEE WHERE ALL THE TREES AND THE GRASS, UM, EVERYTHING IS GONNA BE LOCATED BECAUSE ON A BLACK AND WHITE DRAWING, LET'S FACE, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.UM, ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT ON THIS, YOU'LL SEE THE TWO LITTLE BLUE ARROWS.
WE DO HAVE FIVE EV READY PARKING SPACES ON THIS PLAN.
WE HAVE TWO BEHIND THE RESTAURANT, AND THEN WE HAVE THREE OVER ON THE OWEN WOOD SIDE.
UM, WE DID THAT WITHOUT BEING ASKED TO DO THAT.
AND BEFORE ANY REQUIREMENTS WERE FAST.
BUT, UH, WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A, A GOOD OPPORTUNITY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE PLAYING PICKLEBALL.
YOU COULD CHARGE A CAR FOR, YOU KNOW, THE HOUR THAT YOU'RE PLAYING.
SO WITH THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I'M SURE THAT YOU DO.
WE ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES UP HERE, SO, UH, I'M READY TO TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, COMMISSIONER STANNER.
UH, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE MATERIAL THAT THE PICKLEBALL COURTS ARE MADE OUT OF? I COULDN'T TELL YOU.
SO YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PERMEABLE SURFACE OR NOT? IT'S NOT GONNA BE AS DIFFERENT THAN CEMENT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
WELL, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS SITE.
THIS THIS THING IS GONNA BE AN ENGINEERING NIGHTMARE.
UH, IT'S GONNA HAVE A LOT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES BECAUSE THE ONE THING YOU COULDN'T SEE IN THE PHOTOS FROM THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING WAS THE ELEVATION CHANGE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL THAT'S BEHIND US, ACROSS THE UNIMPROVED ALLEY DOWN TO US.
IT'S ABOUT A 12 TO 13 FOOT FALL FROM THE BACKSIDE OF THE ALLEY ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SAMUEL RIGHT THERE.
SO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE IS TO PROVIDE GRATES AT THE CORNERS OF THESE PICKLEBALL COURTS FOR UNDERGROUND DETENTION.
SO THAT'S WHERE ALL THAT WATER RUNOFF IS GONNA GO.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE LIGHTS? THE LIGHTS THAT WILL BE ON THE POLES WITH THE NETTING.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE NETTING POLES OUT THERE, SO WE MIGHT AS WELL USE THOSE AS DOUBLE DUTY.
SO THOSE ARE GONNA BE MOUNTED ON THOSE POLES ANGLED TOWARDS THE COURTS.
AND WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THOSE? AT THE NARROW END UP BY THE RESTAURANT, IT IS GONNA BE 10 FEET THERE, BUT THERE'S A FALL ALSO FROM SIBLEY OVER TOWARDS OWEN WOOD.
THAT'S WHY WE ASKED FOR 10 TO 15 FEET AT GRADE BECAUSE WE WANT A UNIFORM LOOK OF THE NETTING ACROSS.
SO IT'S GONNA BE 10 FEET AT GRADE AT ONE END, BUT IT'S GONNA GO UP TO POSSIBLY 13 OR 14 FEET ON THE OTHER END.
BUT WE WANT IT TO BE SYMMETRICAL ACROSS AND NOT STAGGERED.
AND YOU'RE USING HOODED AND SHIELDED, OBVIOUSLY.
AS, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WILL BE OPEN TILL MIDNIGHT ON WEEKENDS.
BUT THERE WILL BE NO AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER 10:00 PM CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER HARBERT, UH, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, UH, IN THE STATEMENT OF WHAT THE USAGE IS, BUT THERE WILL BE, UM, WILL THERE BE RETAIL, UM, ALCOHOL AND FOOD SELL SOLD ON THE SITE? YES, IT'S A RESTAURANT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 55, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RU FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
WE'LL GO BACK TO THE ORDER NOW, I THINK TAKES US BACK TO CASE NUMBER NINE, MS. MUNOZ.
AND THIS CASE HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED.
CAN YOU SEE MY PRESENTATION? IT'S COMING UP, I THINK.
C TWO AND 12 3 48 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY ZONED IN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH POLK STREET BETWEEN CASCADE AVENUE AND ELMHURST PLACE.
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IT'S ABOUT 7,500 SQUARE FEET.THERE'S A GENERAL LOCATION MAP IN THE ELMWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU CAN SEE HERE THE AREAS LARGELY DEVELOPED ALL ZONES FOR R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY, UM, DISTRICT, AND IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY USES.
ALSO REPRESENTED HERE ON THE ZONING MAP.
THE AREA OF REQUEST PER DCA RECORDS CONTAINS A STRUCTURE THAT IS ONE STORY AND BUILT IN 1940.
IT HAS OVER 4,400 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING AREA WITH NINE DWELLING UNITS AS DEFINED IN OUR CODE.
A DWELLING UNIT MEANS ONE OR MORE ROOMS DESIGNED TO BE A SINGLE HOUSEKEEPING UNIT TO ACCOMMODATE ONE FAMILY AND CONTAINING ONE OR MORE KITCHENS OR, OR MORE BATHROOMS AND ONE OR MORE BEDROOMS. AND DUE TO THESE UNITS BEING CLASSIFIED AS INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS, THIS IS NOW A MULTI-FAMILY USE AND NOT A GROUP RESIDENTIAL USE, WHICH IS WHAT THE APPLICANT HAD INTENDED TO BE OPERATING, BUT IT COULD NOT BE CLASSIFIED AS SUCH ANY LONGER DUE TO HOW THEY CONFIGURED EACH DWELLING UNIT.
SO THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO INSTEAD MAINTAIN THIS MULTIFAMILY USE THAT IS CURRENTLY OPERATING ON THE PROPERTY.
AND HERE IS A PHOTO OF THE SITE LOOKING AT IT FROM, UM, ELMHURST.
I'M SO SORRY, THAT'S THE WRONG STREET NAME NOW I CAN'T REMEMBER THE STREET NAME FOR A SECOND THERE GUYS.
AND SO THIS IS THE FRONT YARD FACING POLK STREET.
IT'S R 75 WITH A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD.
BUT AGAIN, THIS STRUCTURE HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1940.
NOW WE ARE LOOKING NORTH ON POLK.
YOU'RE GETTING JUST A FEEL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ALL THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY USES.
SEE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY WITH THAT 25 FOOT FRONT YARD AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ON POLK.
AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING ONTO ELMHURST, WHICH IS FARTHER TO THE SOUTH AND WEST.
ALL THESE SINGLE FAMILY USES THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE SIMILAR IN NATURE, HOWEVER, THEY DO HAVE THE FRONT YARD CHANGE, BUT DUE TO BLOCK FACE CONTINUITY STANDARDS, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE 25 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DWELLING UNITS IS THE BIGGEST CHANGE WITH THE MULTIFAMILY TO SINGLE FAMILY, IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THEIR, UM, NINE DWELLING UNITS ONLY IF THE LOT WAS 9,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW I'M NOT SURE IF THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE IT BASED OFF OF THE SIZE OF THE UNITS OR CLAIM THAT THEY ARE EFFICIENCIES IN SOME WAY.
THERE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN DO WITH THAT.
BUT OVERALL, WHAT I FOUND IN REVIEWING THE STANDARDS FOR THE NINE DWELLING UNITS ON THIS LOT WAS THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH, AT THE VERY LEAST, PROVIDING PARKING AND LANDSCAPING PER CODE FOR THIS SITE IF THEY DO OBTAIN BUILDING PERMITS AS REQUIRED.
SO NUMBER ONE, THIS IS A MID-BLOCK INTERRUPTION OF ZONING, WHICH IS VERY COMMONLY, UM, NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TYPICALLY SEEKING APPROVAL FOR.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS IS A WELL-ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY INTERRUPTION OF ZONING ON THIS ENTIRE BLOCK.
UH, WE USUALLY WOULD INTRODUCE NEW ZONING IN MAYBE CORNERS INTERSECTIONS, SOMETHING THAT WOULD PROVIDE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND NOT FACE THE ISSUE OF HAVING RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY ON MULTIPLE SIDES WITH DIFFERENT SETBACKS AND SUCH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT DON'T, THAT AREN'T TYPICALLY COMPATIBLE AND WOULD CAUSE ISSUES FOR EITHER THE LOT THAT'S BEING REZONED OR THE ADJACENT LOTS.
THEN IT'S ALSO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, WHICH IS EITHER NONCONFORMING OR IN ITS CURRENT STATE WITH NINE DWELLING UNITS ILLEGAL DOES NOT HAVE PROPER PERMITS AND CANNOT MAINTAIN THE DISTRICT DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PROPOSED FOR THE MF TWO DISTRICT.
AND OVERALL THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED PARKING OF ONE SPACE PER DWELLING UNIT AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S REQUIRED, INCLUDING SCREENING AND SUCH, CONSIDERING THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY FROM THE PARKING AREAS.
AND FINALLY, UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE CODE VIOLATIONS DUE TO THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE WITHOUT PERMITS.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
OKAY, I'VE GOTTA ASK THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS, HOW HAS THIS BEEN ABLE TO EXIST TO CONTINUE IN THIS FORM? I MEAN, IT'S CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT 45% LOT COVERAGE.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.
AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS
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WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS STRUCTURE NOW? I MEAN IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE FOLLOW THIS RECOMMENDATION, WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? I MEAN ABOUT THIS BEING NONCONFORMING AND STILL SITTING THERE, IT'S PEOPLE'S HOMES.SO COULD YOU ANSWER THAT PLEASE, MS. MUNOZ? YES.
SO FROM FROM MY RESEARCH, IT SEEMS LIKE THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE HAS ALREADY BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THE FORTIES.
AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEY ARE LIKELY AND NONCONFORMING AS FAR AS THE OVERALL STRUCTURE IS NOW THE CONFIGURATION OF THE NINE SEPARATE DWELLING UNITS, I DON'T, THAT PART IS WHAT I BELIEVE IS NOT PERMITTED PROPERLY.
AND IN WHICH CASE THEY ARE TRYING TO RECTIFY THAT BY APPLYING FOR ZONING.
THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MEET THE ZONING REGULATIONS AND PROVIDE EVERYTHING REQUIRED IN ORDER TO OBTAIN BUILDING PERMITS AND THEN HAVE LEGAL CONFORMING MULTIFAMILY UNITS THERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS THE CASE.
AND SO IF THIS CASE IS EITHER APPROVED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PROGRESS TO THE PERMITTING STAGE TO HAVE LEGAL DWELLING UNITS THERE THAT COMPLY WITH THE CODE, OR NUMBER TWO, THEY WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD BE DENIED AND THEN THEY WOULD BE AN ILLEGAL LAND USE AND CODE COMPLIANCE WOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE THEM WITH VIOLATIONS AND WE WOULD FOLLOW THAT PROCESS.
LET'S SAY THAT THIS GOT TO KEEP EXISTING AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT IN COMPLIANCE.
IS THERE A WAY TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS? I'M JUST CURIOUS WITH ANY OF THE LEFTOVER SPACE.
IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT TO ME, BUT I WANT TO ASK YOU THE ZONING EXPERT.
AND WHAT IS THAT REQUIREMENT? JUST AS YOU SAID IT, BUT WOULD YOU SAY IT AGAIN? ONE, ONE SPACE FOR DWELLING UNIT.
SO WE'D HAVE TO GET NINE AS 20 FEET AS COMMISSIONER YOUNG POINTED OUT.
UH, YES, MS. MUNOZ, YOU MENTIONED THE TWO OPTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, IF IT'S GRANTED AND THEY CAN FIND A WAY TO COMPLY AND GET PERMITTED.
NUMBER TWO, UH, THEY CAN'T AND IT BECOMES AN ILLEGAL LAND USE.
WOULDN'T A THIRD OPTION BE TO APPLY FOR BUILDING RENOVATIONS THAT ELIMINATE THE ZONING PROBLEM? THAT IS TO TURN IT BACK INTO A BONAFIDE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY POSSIBLY.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KIN, PLEASE.
UH, ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, MY QUESTION RELATES TO, UM, THE DEFINITION OF SINGLE FAMILY, UM, AND MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT IS THE, IS THERE A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF BEDROOMS OR BATHROOMS THAT CAN BE PROVIDED IN A SINGLE FAMILY R 75 LOT? NO.
AND SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S THE NUMBER OF KITCHENS THAT PRIMARILY REGULATES A SINGLE FAMILY USE THAT SEPARATES IT FROM A MULTIFAMILY USE.
IS IT THE PROVISION OF A, AN OVEN AND A SINK THAT, UH, DEFINES A KITCHEN? I MEAN, WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT MAKES A SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, BUT I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, SINGLE FAMILY UNITS ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE KITCHEN.
IT'S MORE OF HOW THOSE UNITS ARE SEPARATED, WHICH MAKES THEM INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS WITH THEIR OWN COMPLETE SUITE OF ITEMS. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM ALL DWELLING UNITS RATHER THAN BEING A SHARED COMMON KITCHEN OR MULTIPLE KITCHENS SERVING ONE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT, BUT THEY ALL HAVE ONE ENTRYWAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN JUST WHAT COMPONENTS OF THE KITCHEN THERE ARE.
SO IT HAS A LOT MORE TO DO WITH THE CONFIGURATION IN THIS CASE THAN SIMPLY THE PROVISION OF TOO MANY OF ONE THING OR ANOTHER WITH THE, WITH THE NUMBER OF, I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE TWO, BUT YES.
IN YOUR OPINION, AND THIS MAY BE A DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ANSWER, IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOLLOWING COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S QUESTION TO POTENTIALLY SUBMIT FOR, UM, UH, WHAT IS IT RENOVATION, UH, REQUESTS TO REALIGN THE CONFIGURATION OF THIS SITE MORE IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS A SINGLE R SEVEN FIVE PROPERTY? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT OF COURSE IT
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COULD HAPPEN, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A LOT OF RESEARCH.IT VERY OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE ONE OF THE DENIAL, UM, I GUESS PRONGS OF WHAT, HOW THEY COULD PROCEED AFTER THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER CONFORM OR, YOU KNOW, RETURN TO THE LAST STATE OF CONFORMANCE.
RIGHT? SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THEIR NON-CONFORMING RIGHTS, HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVE THOSE, HOW THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVE THAT THEY DID NOT ABANDON THOSE NONCONFORMING RIGHTS, HOW THEY COULD RETURN IT.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THERE, SO IS IT POSSIBLE? MAYBE, BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I HAVE, I HAVE BEEN, I DID NOT INSPECT THE UNIT.
I DO NOT KNOW THE BUILDING CODE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD PROVE THEIR NONCONFORMITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. MUNOZ? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, MS. MUNOZ, CAN YOU PLEASE READ THE CASE INTO THE RECORD? THIS IS AN ITEM NUMBER NINE AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO, A MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE IN R 75, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH POLK STREET BETWEEN CASCADE AVENUE AND ELMHURST PLACE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
PLEASE BEGIN WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON RIGHT THERE.
YOU MAY HAVE TO SPEAK RIGHT INTO THE MICROPHONE.
UH, MY NAME IS PHILLIP MITCHELL.
THIS IS MY WIFE, MICHELLE MITCHELL.
AND WE OWN, UH, 1608 SOUTH POLK STREET.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR EIGHT YEARS.
WHAT WE DO IS WE HOUSE HOMELESS VETERANS.
EACH VETERANS HAVE THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL SUITE THAT INCLUDE A KITCHEN, A, A BATHROOM, A TELEVISION, A BEDROOM, A LET'S SEE, A BEDROOM, A KITCHEN, THEIR OWN PRIVATE INTERESTS.
CAN'T NOBODY COME IN THEIR PLACE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK IN NOBODY ELSE'S PLACE TO GET TO YOUR PLACE.
AND, UH, THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION ARE VERY PROUD OF US.
SAME THING ABOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, DALLAS COUNTY, UH, TAX OFFICE.
AND WE HAVEN'T HAD NO TROUBLE UNTIL WE GOT ONE JUST ROUND, UH, TENANT.
AND THIS IS WHERE THE STRUGGLE STARTED.
AND, UH, WHEN THEY SAID WE GOT BAD, UH, HAVEN'T GOT PERMITS.
EVERYTHING IN OUR PLACE HAVE BEEN PERMITTED BY THE CITY ZONING.
I MEAN, NOT CITY ZONING, UH, THE CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND WE, AND THEY HAVE THE CODE COMPLIANCE TOLD US TO GO TO THE GO DOWNTOWN.
AND WHEN WE GOT DOWNTOWN, THEY TOLD US TO DO SO MANY THINGS.
THEY SAID, ONLY THING, ONLY PROBLEM YOU HAVE IS PARKING.
SO WE LICKED AT THAT IN THE BUD.
WE WENT TWO AND A HALF BLOCKS AWAY.
IN FACT, WE DON'T HAVE THE, ALL OUR VETERANS DON'T, THEY OVER 65 YEARS OLD AND THEY DON'T HAVE NO CARS, SO CAN'T NOBODY DRIVE.
SO PARKING WOULD NOT BE A PL A PROBLEM, BUT THE CITY REQUIRED THE PARKING.
SO WE WENT DOWN THE STREET, A BLOCK AND A HALF AT THE, UH, UH, UH, TYLER, UH, VERNON STATION, AND THEY TOLD US THEY WOULD LET US LEASE, UH, FIVE, SIX SPACES.
AND, UH, SO NOW WE DONE LOOKED THAT PROBLEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KINDA ELSE PROBLEM WE GOT BECAUSE WE, UH, BEEN IN BUSINESS, UH, EIGHT YEARS AND WE GOT, UH, 12 VETERANS.
WE GOT NINE, TWO OF THEM, AND WENT ON AND LEFT AND WENT ON HIS OWN AND GOT A JOB.
BUT THE ONES WE HAVE DON'T HAVE JOBS AND WE TAKE CARE OF THEM.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO WANT FOR NOTHING.
THEY GOT THEIR OWN TELEVISION, THEIR OWN CABLE TV, THEY OWN KITCHEN, THEIR OWN BATHROOM, THEIR OWN BED, THEIR OWN SHEETS.
AND WE EVEN PROVIDE TOOTHPASTE, TOOTHBRUSH FOR 'EM.
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THEY GOT A HOME AWAY FROM HOME FOR SERVING US AND KEEPING US FREE.DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS, MR. MITCHELL? YES.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING AWAY, NOT WE'RE GETTING AWAY.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING ALONG FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND WE GOT THIS TENANT STARTED.
THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT? ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD? COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR MR. MITCHELL.
COMMISSIONER YACHT? UH, YES, MR. MITCHELL.
UH, DID I UNDERSTAND YOU TO SAY THAT AS FAR AS THE PHYSICAL LAYOUT OF YOUR BUILDING, YOU HAVE 12 UNITS? YES.
AND NOW YOU'VE GOT 10 RESIDENTS OCCUPYING, RIGHT? 10 VETERANS.
AND EACH, OH, MY WIFE TOLD ME NINE.
EACH BEDROOM IS PART OF A SUITE, IF YOU WILL, OF A BEDROOM, A BATHROOM, AND A KITCHEN.
I DON'T KNOW THAT MY QUESTION'S GONNA BE VERY ARTFUL.
HAS ANYONE EVER SUGGESTED THAT THIS BE CONSIDERED, AND I'LL HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR PLANNER ABOUT THIS, BUT A RETIREMENT HOME OR IT BE CONSIDERED LIKE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A GROUP HOME FOR RETIREES? HAS ANYONE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT THAT POSSIBILITY? WELL, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A GROUP HOME, IT'S PEOPLE STAY TOGETHER.
THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT ALLOW THAT.
THEIR, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TO HOUSE THE HOMELESS VETERANS IS, THE VETERANS HAVE TO STAY ALONE.
HE HAVE HIS OWN BED, HIS OWN REFRIGERATOR, HIS OWN STOVE, HIS OWN EVERYTHING.
WELL, I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU, I'LL ASK IT ANOTHER WAY.
IN A WAY, HOW WOULD YOU, IF YOU WERE TO PUT A DEFINITION OF HOW YOU SEE WHAT THIS IS, BECAUSE I MEAN, I JUST HEARD YOU, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S ONE HOME WITH A SUPERVISOR WHERE A GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE LIVING, YOU HAVE PROVIDED LITERALLY A SINGLE ROOM, SO TO SPEAK, WITH ITS OWN KITCHEN.
SO SOMEONE COULD LIVE AUTONOMOUSLY, ALMOST LIKE A TINY HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE ALL CONNECTED WITHIN ONE STRUCTURE.
HOW WOULD YOU, UH, DESCRIBE WHAT YOU CALL WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON? I MEAN, I'VE HEARD YOU SAY IT'S FOR VETERANS AND YOU'VE GOT 10 PEOPLE STAYING THERE, BUT IF YOU WERE TO GIVE IT A LABEL, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL IT? WOULD YOU CALL IT A SORT OF VETERANS' RETIREMENT HOME, WOULD YOU CALL IT? UH, YEAH, WE CALL IT, UH, WE CALL IT A, A HOME, UH, VINTAGE FOR FOR VINTAGE ELDERS? YEAH, AN INDIGENT.
SO YOU WOULD CALL IT LIKE A, A, A HOMELESS LODGING PLACE MIGHT BE THE KIND OF THING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANY ZONING CATEGORY THAT THIS CAN GO INTO TO PROTECT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING THERE.
AND I DO WANT TO ASK, I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE STAFF AFTER YOU ABOUT THOSE SIX, THOSE SIX SPACES THAT YOU LEASED DOWN BY THE TRANSIT, IF THEY COULD QUALIFY FOR THE PARKING.
BUT WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THAT.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION? DO THEY WE GOT TO HAVE THAT, YES.
SO DO YOU THE VA SENT 'EM TO US.
SO ALL OF THE PEOPLE, THE VETERANS THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY HOUSING ARE SENT TO YOU BY THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION.
IS THERE ANY SORT OF CERTIFICATION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BY THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION? WE JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW THEIR GUIDELINES, WHAT THEY, BUT, BUT THEY DO HAVE GUIDELINES? YES, THEY GOT GUIDELINES.
HAS SOMEONE BEEN OUT FROM THE VETERANS' ADMINISTRATION? OH YES.
TO LOOK AT YOUR PLACE? EACH VETERANS HAVE THEIR OWN CASEWORKER.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN MR, MR. MITCHELL, CAN YOU YOU PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE SO FOLKS SOUND? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
EACH VETERANS HAVE THEIR OWN CASEWORKER.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN HOUSING VETERANS PLACED BY THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION? EIGHT YEARS.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, PLEASE.
AND THEY, AND, UH, THEY, THEY COME OUT AND INSPECT IT BEFORE, UH, THE VETERANS COME OUT AND INSPECT IT BEFORE IT PASSES.
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QUALIFICATION.AND THEN THEY, UH, TOLD US THEY CAN MOVE IN, BUT THEY COME OUT AND THEY, THEY EXPECT EVERYTHING, UH, AIR, HEAT, REFRIGERATOR, THE WATER, EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE TOP-NOTCH IN ORDER FOR THEM TO APPROVE IT.
UH, MR. MITCHELL, UH, YOU SAY THAT WE'RE HERE, UH, YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN HOUSING VETERANS FOR EIGHT YEARS? YES.
IS THAT WHEN YOU ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY OR DID YOU ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY SOMETIME? NO, WE, WE HAD ANOTHER LOCATION.
YOU HAD ANOTHER LOCATION? LOCATION.
SO YOU ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY EIGHT YEARS AGO? NO, WE, UM, BEEN HAVING THIS PROPERTY PROBABLY ABOUT MAYBE, MAYBE ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
AND WHEN YOU PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, WAS IT JUST LIKE IT IS TODAY OR DID YOU DO SOME OF THE ADDITIONS? IT WAS A, I I THINK IT, IT WAS A, IT WAS A, A NURSING, NURSING HOME, I MEAN, FOR KIDS.
BUT YOU'VE NOT ADDED ONTO IT IN THE FIVE YEARS, ALL I, ALL I DID WAS RENOVATE IT AND ADDED, ADDED, UH, THINGS TO THE ROOM.
OKAY, BUT THE, THE STRUCTURE DID NOT GET LARGER.
YOU JUST RECONFIGURED THE NO, NO, NO, OUTSIDE.
SO THAT WAS ALL DONE BY SOME PREVIOUS OWNER? YES.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLA I WANNA, UH, FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT WAS SAYING.
SO WHEN YOU PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FIVE YEARS AGO, IT HAD THE OUTSIDE WALLS, CORRECT? YES.
AND IT HAD SEVERAL BEDROOMS, CORRECT? RIGHT.
AND, AND THROUGH, AND YOU HAD THIS NEED OR THIS DESIRE TO SU TO PROVIDE SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR, UM, HOMELESS VETS, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM THEIR SPACE AS WELL AS THEIR PRIVACY, YOU MAY HAVE HAD FOUR OR FIVE BEDROOMS? SEVEN BEDROOM? WELL, FOUR, GENERALLY SPEAKING, FOUR OR FIVE BEDROOMS. IT, IT WAS NINE OF 'EM.
SO IT, YOU, IT WAS MODIFIED ALREADY FOR NINE BEDROOMS, RIGHT.
AND PRIVATE BATHROOMS OR SHARED BATHROOMS? NO.
SHARED, EVERYBODY GOT THEIR OWN PRIVATE BATHROOMS. OKAY.
SO YOU, IT HAD NINE BEDROOMS, NINE BATHROOMS, SHARED KITCHEN.
SO, BUT IN ORDER TO GIVE THEM MORE PRIVACY, YOU ADDED A KITCHEN LIKE AREA TO EACH ONE OF THE BEDROOMS, AND THEN SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, SOMEONE CAME OUT AND FOUND THAT IT WAS NON-COMPLIANT FOR THE ZONING IN WHICH THE, THE, THE BUILDING SET, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS RETROFIT THE NEED AND THE USE INTO A ZONING CATEGORY THAT WOULD CON WOULD, WOULD ENABLE YOU TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM.
I HAVE BEEN TOLD SO MANY THINGS.
SO LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU UNDER HELP EVERYONE GET TO THE SAME PLACE.
SO YOU ALREADY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT, THAT THERE IS NO ZONINGS CLASSIFICATIONS OR STANDARDS FOR MULTIPLE SMALL INDIVIDUAL UNITS ON ONE BIG LOT, CORRECT.
SO, AND THIS, AND, AND WITH THIS PARTICULAR, UM, SITE, YOU'RE, THE, THE, YOU WERE TOLD THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED TO A MULTI-FAMILY OR LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS EACH UNIT MAY NOT HAVE ITS OWN PRIVATE DOOR TO AN OUTSIDE HALLWAY OR OUTDOOR.
IT'S ALL ENCLOSED IN, IN, IN HOUSED INSIDE THE, THESE, THIS MASSIVE FOUR WALLS.
SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THIS BODY TO DO IS TO LOOK AT, UH, UH, TO LOOK AT OUR ZONING STANDARDS AND HELP COME UP WITH A STANDARD THAT WOULD FIT YOUR USE? YES, MA'AM.
UM, QUICK QUESTION FOR, UH, MS. MUNOZ.
UH, IS THERE A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE REQUIREMENT UNDER MULTIFAMILY ZONING? NO, THERE'S NOT A MINIMUM UNIT SIZE.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER STANDARD? YES, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.UH, MS. MUNOZ, AND I KNOW YOU WERE SORT OF ASKED THIS ONE BEFORE, BUT DOVETAILING OFF WHAT COMMISSIONER BLAIR SAID, IS THERE ANY CATEGORY THAT YOU SEE THAT THIS EXISTING USE COULD BE, UH, GO, COULD GO UNDER WITHOUT SOME HUGE REVISION THAT IF FOR INSTANCE, THEY COULD USE THE PARKING, THE LEAST PARKING DOWN THE STREET AND THAT MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ARE OVER 65, SO IT MIGHT GO TO THE 0.7 OR THE RETIREMENT PARKING.
IS THERE ANY CATEGORY YOU KNOW OF THAT THIS MIGHT BE ABLE TO, I CAN'T, I'VE LOST THE WORD CONFORM TO NOT EXACTLY, BUT COME UNDER IN OUR ZONING CODE.
I HAVE, I HAVE NOT DONE AN EXHAUSTIVE COMPARISON OF DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES FOR THIS SPECIFIC LOT AND FOR THE LAND USE AS REQUESTED IN THE LAND USE STATEMENT.
BUT I DID COMPARE A GROUP RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, WHICH THEY COULD NOT QUALIFY UNDER, AND IT'S NOT PERMITTED IN SINGLE FAMILY.
AND IT, IT'S ALSO PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY WERE FOUND NOT TO BE CONSIDERED A GROUP RESIDENTIAL DUE TO THE SEPARATE KITCHEN AND DWELLING UNIT OVERALL.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT RETIREMENT HOUSING, LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, IT STILL REQUIRES THE SAME ONE PARKING SPACE FOR DWELLING UNIT.
IT STILL IS ONLY PERMITTED IN A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT.
AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE SPECIAL PARKING STANDARDS, THEY COULD COMPLY WITH PROVIDING UP TO 50% REMOTE PARKING, BUT REMOTE PARKING HAS TO BE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE SITE FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE.
AND I DON'T THINK THEY CAN FIND ANYTHING WITHIN 300 FEET.
IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN THE VICINITY.
SO ARE THERE WAYS THAT THEY COULD TRY TO ADDRESS IT? THEY SURE.
I MEAN, IF YOU APPROVE THE ZONING, MAINTAIN THE NONCONFORMITY, MAYBE THEY COULD GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND TRY TO GET, PROVE THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW, BUT UM, MAYBE THEY COULD MAKE THAT CASE.
I ALSO THINK MAYBE WE'RE GIVING THEM SOME FALSE HOPE THAT DOES NOT, IT JUST, IT IT CAN'T WORK FOR THIS SITE IN THE WAY THAT THEY'VE DONE IT.
WELL, AND I BUT THAT REQUIRES THAT PARKING.
ON ONE HAND, WE ALL DO, BUT WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT THERE ARE 10 HOMELESS VETERANS THAT ARE GETTING TO BE HOUSED SOMEWHERE, WHICH IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.
SO I GUESS I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK.
I UNDERSTAND ZONING IS ZONING, BUT IF IT'S 500 FEET AND NOT 300 FEET OR IF IT'S, UH, TRYING TO FIND SOME COMPROMISE.
I MEAN, LET'S GO BACK TO THE GROUP HOME.
YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE PER, UH, PERSON THAT'S PART OF THE GROUP.
WELL, IF WE KNOW IT'S AN OLDER GROUP, IF IT'S EXISTING, THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE CODE COULD GO TO THE 0.7 OR TO MAKE IT LESS OR TO ALLOW THE FIVE AND MAYBE THEY'RE AT 600 FEET AWAY.
IS THERE ANY IN A CODE THING LIKE THIS, OTHER THAN GOING TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH COULD TAKE TWO YEARS, RIGHT.
IS THERE ANY WAY OF BEING ABLE TO MORPH THIS INTO BEING ABLE TO EXIST UNDER WHERE WE ARE NOW? I CANNOT, I CAN'T SAY A HUNDRED PERCENT NO.
BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED, I HAVE NOT DONE AN EXHAUSTIVE COMPARISON OF EVERY SINGLE HOUSING TYPE IN OUR CODE.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A BOARDING HOUSE OR RESIDENTIAL HOTEL, THESE ARE THINGS THAT I HAVEN'T CONSIDERED.
YEAH, I FORGOT TO THANK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE BOARDING HOUSE AND GETTING SOME SORT OF CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
I THINK, I HOPE THAT MAYBE WE CAN BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO THOSE ALTERNATIVES.
UM, MS. NUNEZ WAS THE WCAP DOCUMENT, UM, UH, DOES IT ADDRESS ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF A USE, UM, HERE IN THE TYLER STATION AREA OR WAS IT REFERENCED FOR THE STAFF REPORT?
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NO, IT WAS NOT REFERENCED AND I CANNOT TELL YOU AT THIS TIME IF IT MEETS ANY OF THE GOALS FOR WCAP.UM, UH, ARE YOU AWARE OF A POTENTIAL, UM, AUTHORIZED HEARING, UM, IN THIS AREA? I BELIEVE SO.
YOU CAN CONFIRM WITH MY GROUP IF YOU'D LIKE.
ADRIA, COULD YOU ANSWER? YES, WE DO HAVE A SERIES OF AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT ARE KICKING OFF IN, UH, WHAT USED TO BE WCAP AND, UM, IS THIS, DO YOU KNOW WHETHER THIS PROPERTY IS INCLUDED IN AN, AN EXISTING AUTHORIZED HEARING? OH, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK THE CLOSEST IS DOWNTOWN ELMWOOD, WHICH WOULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN THIS AREA.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD, GOING BACK TO COMMISSIONER STANDARD'S COMMENT ABOUT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
IT, IT DOES NOT TAKE TWO YEARS TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE BEST OPTION FOR THIS CASE, BUT IF WE ARE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES, IT'S MORE OF A THREE TO FOUR MONTH PROCESS.
I JUST PUT IT IN THE CATEGORY OF EVERYTHING ELSE.
WELL, ARE YOU GOOD? I I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT, UM, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS HAD HER HAND UP FOR SOME TIME.
WE'RE GOING RIGHT TO HER RIGHT WHEN WE GET AN ANSWER HERE, I'LL ADD TO THIS QUESTION AS WE'RE RESEARCHING, UM, AUTHORIZED HEARINGS IN WCAP.
UM, ARE, ARE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THE, UM, AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT NEIGHBORS ARE PUTTING TOGETHER FOR THIS AREA? THE POTENTIAL FOR AN AUTHORIZED, AN ADDITIONAL AUTHORIZED HEARING THAT WOULD INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY POTENTIALLY? I DON'T KNOW.
I BELIEVE YOU
WE'LL GO TO THE FOLKS THAT HAVEN'T SPOKEN YET.
I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, COMMISSIONER RUBIN? YES, MS. MUNOZ, I'VE BEEN DEEP KIND OF LOOKING AT THE CODE.
SO IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN ASKED, I APOLOGIZE.
WOULD THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSED USE WITH THE KITCHEN IN EACH ROOM UNIT, WOULD THAT FALL UNDER THE DEFINITION OF GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY OR THERE BARRIERS BETWEEN THEIR, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING RIGHT NOW IN THIS MEETING? THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY DEFINITION? YES.
I THINK THAT THE INTERPRETATION IS THAT DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE OCCUPIED.
SO IF THEY'RE DWELLING UNITS, IF THEY HAVE TO BE OCCUPIED EXCLUSIVELY BY FAMILIES, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT THEY DID, WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS WITH THEM AND THEY DID, UM, SPEAK TO BUILDING INSPECTION AND HAVE THE DETERMINATION THAT IT SHOULD BE MULTIFAMILY BASED ON THE CONFIGURATION.
SO THEY, THEY SPOKE WITH, UM, CHARLES TRAMMEL TO GET A LAND USE DETERMINATION.
AND I SPOKE, I I SPOKE IN LENGTH WITH HIM ABOUT THE CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE, THE, UH, FAILURE OBTAIN PERMITS FOR ALL THE RENOVATIONS THAT WERE MADE AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE DESIGNATION AS A MULTI-FAMILY UNIT DUE TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE UNITS AND THE KITCHENETTES THAT THEY DID NOT QUALIFY AS GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY IS WHAT I WAS TOLD.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
WOULD A PATH FORWARD BE TO CRAFT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR THIS ADDRESS AND CRAFT A CUSTOM DEFINITION FOR WHATEVER USE WE DECIDE THIS IS THAT COULD OPERATE BY S G P THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW US TO SET A CUSTOM PARKING REQUIREMENT? WOULD IT BE AN AVENUE? YES SIR.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF PDS THAT ARE ONE LOT AND IT'S NOT IDEAL.
AND DEFINITELY, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF AN S U P IN ADDITION TO A PD ISN'T THE LABORING THE ZONING PROCESS FOR THEM FOR SUCH, UH,
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YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBLE LAND USE.IT'S THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK OF THAT WOULD MOVE THIS FORWARD IF WE ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A, UH, A USE THAT IS NEEDED IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD OPERATE WITHIN THE, THE CODE.
I CUZ I DON'T THINK, WELL, WITHIN A PD COULD WE STIPULATE, UH, A PARKING REQUIREMENT WITHOUT AN U IN THE PD? YES.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN STIPULATE THE PARKING PD.
THEN A PD WITHOUT AN S U THEN IT IS THE ONLY WAY I SEE FORWARD IF THAT'S WHAT'S DESIRED FOR THIS USE TO CONTINUE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, THAT FOLLOW COMMISSIONER TRIED WHITE.
UM, SO SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOMELESS CITIZENS, THAT MORE THAN LIKELY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STEREOTYPE IT, BUT YOU MAY NOT HAVE TRANSPORTATION.
UM, AND TO WEIGH HEAVILY ON THE PARKING, I GUESS IN THE CODE, IS THERE NOT A WAY WHERE IT'S PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC TRANSIT, UM, CREATING BICYCLE SPACES THAT EQUATE TO A, A PARKING SPACE OR A MULTIMODAL SPACE? UM, IS THERE NOT A WAY THAT WE CAN REINTERPRET THE CODE IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE USE? WE GOT BICYCLE SPACES AND, UH, BUT IN, IN SOME OF MY OTHER PROJECTS, WELL, I GUESS EXPERIENCES I SHOULD SAY, UM, THEY'VE BEEN WILLING TO TRADE BICYCLE SPACES AND MULTIMODAL SPACES FOR PARKING SPACES.
SO I THINK THEY'RE, I I'M NOT SURE IN THIS CASE, BUT THERE MAY BE A WAY TO THINK ABOUT THAT OR TO PERHAPS MAYBE REDUCE THE NUMBER OF, OF, UH, DWELLING UNITS IN THE BUILDING IN ORDER TO EQUATE TO THE AVAILABLE PART.
COMMISSIONER TREAD WHITE MS. MUNOZ, WERE, WERE YOU AWARE OF THEIR CURRENT ACTIVITY AND THE FACT THAT THEY WERE HOUSING VETERANS AND WERE BEING INSPECTED BY THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION? THEIR LAND USE STATEMENT DOES SAY THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING VETERAN HOUSING, BUT THEIR INSPECTION STATUS WITH THE VETERAN HOUSING ADMINISTRATION? NO, THAT NEVER CAME UP.
I'M JUST REFERENCING THE CODE, YOUR, THE CASE REPORT.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I READ IT, I, I WILL SAY I, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A VERY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA BE A VERY DIFFERENT CASE.
UM, BECAUSE SOMEONE THAT HAS NON-COMPLIANT USE THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THEY CAN COMPLY WITH PARKING LANDSCAPE OR PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS TO GET TO THEIR USE SEEMS LIKE A FAIRLY SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, FACT PATTERN WHERE YOU'VE GOT A BAD ACTOR, YOU WOULDN'T LET THEM CONTINUE THE LAND USE.
IN THIS CASE, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION WHERE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT NOT ONLY HAVE HAD A LAND USE FOR SEVERAL YEARS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN COMPLYING WITH CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS.
THEY JUST MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE BEEN DALLAS CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO I GUESS, UM, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WHAT SORT OF LEVEL OF DISCUSSION, IF ANY, YOU HAD HAD WITH THEM ABOUT THE LEVEL OF INSPECTIONS THAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH WITH THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE THERE WAS NO DISCUSSION ON THAT POINT.
NO, WE DO NOT TYPICALLY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TEXAS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES REGISTRATION, LICENSURE OR FEDERAL HOUSING REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS INSPECTION STANDARDS.
WE ARE APPLYING SOLELY OUR ZONING DISTRICT AND OUR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
THAT IS ALL THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE.
I JUST THINK IT IS A RELEVANT THING TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH SOMEONE'S REQUIREMENTS.
IF, UM, IF WE WERE, LET'S SAY WE WERE GONNA PURSUE THE PD ROUTE, WE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO DENY THIS CASE AND THEN RE ADVERTISE, IS THAT RIGHT? CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION FOR, UH, FOR MR. MOORE? WELL, IF WE WERE TO PURSUE A PD, UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE YES, THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER.
BUT WOULD THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY? AND THERE, THERE'S A, THE FEE IS DIFFERENT, SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, THEY THEY THEY'D HAVE
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TO PAY THE FEE.THAT, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT WOULD BE TOO BAD.
UM, I MEAN, ASK HIM, OH, I WOULDN'T DO THAT.
MR. MOORE, CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? ARE YOU SAYING IN YOUR ANSWER TO COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, OKAY, IF WE HELD THIS OVER, LET'S SAY RIGHT NOW, OH, EXCUSE ME.
IF, IF WE HELD THIS CASE OVER AND KNOWING THAT THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL OR A NEW FEE WITH THE PD.
BUT COULD THE CASE CON CONTINUE AND MORPH INTO A PD? BECAUSE WE OFTEN HAVE CASES GO, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THEY START OUT FOR ONE THING AND THEN IT SUGGESTED IT SHOULD BE ANOTHER LIKE AN S U OR SOMETHING.
SO COULDN'T WE IN THIS CASE, POTENTIALLY DO THAT? YES.
SO IT STAYS IN AN APPLICATION FORM? YEAH.
SO IT'S NOT STARTING A NEW AND GOING INTO THE QUEUE, BUT THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL FEE AMOUNT? YES, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FEE AMOUNT AND IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE, BUT I'M SURE ANDREA, YEAH, THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.
WE'RE TRYING TO COME TO SOMETHING THAT WORKS, BUT DO IT WITHOUT, AS ANY, AS AS LITTLE POSSIBLE BURDEN TO THE APPLICANT DUE TO THIS SPECIAL SITUATION.
I THINK WE'VE GOT AN ANSWER FROM, UM, DR.
OBJECTOR, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR COMMISSIONER POPKIN? PLEASE DO.
WE, THE WOKE UP VISION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I BELIEVE SHE DOES.
I BELIEVE TH IS, IS GONNA BE THE MAYBE THE WINNER OR PD.
YEAH, I KNOW WE HAVE A VISION FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I WANNA TALK ABOUT, UM, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS THAT WE'VE GOT IN WCAP? IS THERE ONE NEAR THIS SITE OR INCLUDING THIS SITE? THERE ISN'T ONE THAT IS INCLUDING THIS SITE, BUT I THINK IT'S ONE NEAR.
AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS BEFORE I JOINED CPC, THERE WAS AN AUTHORIZED HEARING SOMEWHERE HERE AROUND TYLER'S STATION.
AND DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE COMMUNITY'S TALK TO REOPEN THAT AUTHORIZED HEARING AT ALL? I STILL DON'T KNOW.
SO AGAIN, WE WILL FALL BACK WITH WHATEVER WE DISCUSSED DURING WCAP.
I'M RECALLING IN WCAP, THERE WAS, UH, UH, SOME VERY CONTENTIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHETHER MULTIFAMILY SHOULD BE ALLOWED AROUND THIS TRAIN STATION.
AND THE VERDICT WAS THAT THERE ARE MORE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED AND A COMMUNITY VISION NEEDS TO BE, UH, DEVELOPED TO DETERMINE WHERE IS THE APPROPRIATE SITE FOR MULTIFAMILY AROUND THIS STATION AND HOW FAR IT ENCROACHES INTO THE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RECALLING FROM THAT PROCESS AS WELL? YES.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAID.
WE ARE GONNA EXPLORE, UH, POSSIBILITIES OF DENSIFICATION WITHIN THE LIMITS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF WCAP IN THOSE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS.
NOW THAT WE HAVE A VISION PLAN FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THIS AREA, WOULD IT BE OVERSTEPPING OUR BOUNDS TO AUTHORIZE AN INDIVIDUAL ZONING CASE IN AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS OR, UM, THE DESIRE TO SEE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS FOR CONTENTIOUS ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DISCUSSING? YES.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
UM, I I THINK THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS, UM, PROJECT COULD BE, UH, THIS APPLICATION COULD BE REISSUED, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS OPENING A MUCH BIGGER, UM, CONVERSATION THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED WITH TO REALLY DETERMINE IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THIS USE.
I THINK IT'S MORE ABOUT LIKE THE DENSITY AND WHAT ARE THE THRESHOLDS FOR DENSITY AND HOW DOES INFILL HOUSING LOOKING IN THE AREAS OR AROUND THE AUTHORIZED HEARINGS OF A WCAP.
AND I THINK THE CONVERSATION WOKE UP WAS TO START WITH THE AUTHORIZED HEARING AREAS FIRST.
THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.
ANDREA, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER BLAIR? YES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, FROM STAFF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST LEGAL OR WHOEVER, UM, THIS REQUEST, OKAY.
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UTILIZING THE BUILDING, THE BUILDING WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, CORRECT? THAT WAS USED AS A GROUP HOME, CORRECT.THAT DID NOT HAVE THAT, AND THEY, THEY MODIFIED IT TO ADD THE BATHROOMS SO THAT EACH BEDROOM WAS EITHER AN, UH, EN SUITE OR IF YOU MADE IT PRIVATE, UH, MF TWO.
SO IS THERE, IF THERE, THERE IS NO CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS TYPE OF, THERE'S NO ZONING CLASSIFICATION FOR THIS TYPE OF SUITE, AM I, UH, THIS TYPE OF USE? AM I CORRECT? NO, UH, WE'RE STILL, LIKE, AGAIN, FOR US IT'S A ZONING, GENERAL ZONING CHANGE FROM A DISTRICT THAT COME WITH EACH, EACH SET OF USES.
UM, FOR INSTANCE, WE'RE THINKING THAT THIS MAY LOOK, THIS USE MAY BE A RESIDENTIAL HOTEL.
WE NEED MORE FROM THE APPLICANT TO FIND OUT WHAT USE, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT APPROVING THIS USE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING INTO THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS ADDITIONAL USES AND OUT OF THOSE USES WHEN HE GOES TO PERMITTING, WE'RE NOT ISSUING COS HERE.
SO, OKAY, SO LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M GETTING THAT, I'M GETTING MYSELF BACK ON TRACK WITH YOU.
GERIA WOULD BE THAT THIS, THE CLASSIFICATION OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT IS R 75, SINGLE FAMILY.
BUT IN SINGLE FAMILY, YOU HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, HAVE HANDICAPPED DWELL DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT, EXACTLY.
SO THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED IN R SEVEN FIVE, BUT OKAY.
BUT THEY'RE TRYING, BUT THIS IS NOW TRYING TO BE CHANGED FROM R 75 TO MF TWO CLASSIFICATION, WHICH IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING PATTERN THAT EXISTS THERE TODAY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, UM, AND SO, AND WHAT THEY, AND THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WAS DONE WAS TO TAKE THE NINE BEDROOMS. SO YOU CAN HAVE A, A R 75, THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE THAT HAS NINE BEDROOMS, BUT THEY ARE NOT PRIVATE ROOMS, THAT ARE APARTMENTS.
SO WHEN, WHEN THE MODIFICATION CAME, IT WAS DONE A LITTLE WONKY BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAVE THE, IT DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFITS OF A, OF A PERMIT.
UM, SO THEN IT BRINGS FORTH A CHALLENGE FOR THIS BODY TO COME BACK AND SAY, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO WE FIX THIS? CORRECT.
AGAIN, WHAT WE ARE HERE IS TO COMPARE AN R 75 TO AN MF.
IS THE BODY COMFORTABLE TO ALLOW AN MF FOR THIS PARCEL AT THIS LOCATION? AND WHAT ARE THE, UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE, OKAY, SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT THE DIRECTION YOU'RE TRYING TO GET US TO GO IS, IS MF TO A GOOD USE OF LAND AT THIS PARTICULAR PLACE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED, ALTERED OR MODIFIED.
IS IT A GOOD USE OF LAND FOR MF TWO AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? CORRECT.
MS. MUNOZ? UH, JUST, JUST TO BE FAIR, UH, THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS CASE, THERE WAS A, A WOMAN HERE THAT, THAT WAITED ALL SEEMS LIKE ALL NIGHT TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS CASE.
I BELIEVE THAT SHE WAS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS.
THEN SHE ALSO EMAILED, UH, AN EMAIL WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME FRUSTRATION STATING JUST THAT.
AND WITH SOME, YOU KNOW, SHE DETAILED SOME ISSUES HERE ABOUT MAYBE WHAT, WHAT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE FOLKS AROUND THE AREA FEEL THE FRUSTRATION WITH THIS USE.
WERE YOU AWARE IF THERE WERE ANY OTHERS, ANY OTHER LETTERS IN OPPOSITION? ANY OTHER YES.
ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT, UH, CAME FORWARD AND, AND SPOKE ABOUT THAT? I HAD ONE GENTLEMAN CALL ME.
HE LEFT, UM, SEVERAL, HE MADE SEVERAL EMAIL AND PHONE CALL REQUESTS TO THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT SEEKING INFORMATION ABOUT THIS.
HE WAS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE REQUEST, BUT HE NEVER STATED OBVIOUS OPPOSITION TO IT.
AND AS FAR AS TODAY, HE ASKED ME WHAT THE STATUS WAS AND I TOLD HIM HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
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IF MR. MELVIN IS HERE TODAY, PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME.IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER PERSON I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER THAN MS. PIERRE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER POMPKIN, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO.
AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z TWO 12 DASH 30 48, I MAKE A MOTION TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL ENC CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER POPKIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
IS THAT WITH OR WITHOUT PREJUDICE, MR. CHAIR? UH, UM, UM, I, I'LL I'LL SAY WITHOUT PREJUDICE.
UM, AND, AND PRIMARILY THAT'S BECAUSE I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON A ZONING CHANGE SUCH AS THIS.
UM, THE FACT THAT THIS, UM, USE HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, I, I DON'T THINK, UM, SUPERSEDES THE, THE NEED FOR A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE, UH, MULTIFAMILY FITS BEST.
I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF VERY CONTENTIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ALLOWING MULTIFAMILY NEAR THIS TRAIN STATION, AND THERE IS A DESIRE FOR IT FROM SOME AND, UM, ABJECT OPPOSITION TO IT FROM MANY OTHERS.
UM, AND, AND I KNOW I, I WOULD NOT WANT TO PUT THESE FOLKS IN THE POSITION OF SPENDING A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY, UM, IN A SITUATION THAT, UH, IS, IS IS GONNA JUST OPEN, UM, PANDORA'S BOX, UH, A HUGE CAN OF WORMS, UM, THAT THAT IS, UM, LIKELY NOT GONNA FALL IN THEIR FAVOR.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT I'VE, I'VE THAT THIS, THAT THIS PROPERTY IN PARTICULAR, UM, HAS CAUSED SOME CONSTERNATION ABOUT WHETHER PERMITS WERE PULLED.
AND, UH, THE PROJECT WAS BUILT BY WRIGHT BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, PROJECTS, UM, INTENDED TO BUILD HIGHER DENSITY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT THE CORRECT PERMITS.
AND A LOT OF FOLKS ARE ON EDGE ABOUT PROJECTS OPERATING UNDER THE RADAR WITHOUT CORRECT PERMITS, ADDING MORE DENSITY TO A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS UNDER THREAT.
UM, SO I I, I FEEL FOR YOU GUYS, AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND, UM, I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS, UM, THIS TYPE OF HOUSING OPERATE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, BUT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION.
UM, IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, YOU'RE WELCOME TO RESUBMIT ANOTHER APPLICATION, PERHAPS FOR A PD.
UM, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, NEIGHBORS WANTING TO WEIGH IN ABOUT THE ADDITION OF, UM, HIGHER DENSITY IN THIS SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD NEXT TO THIS TYLER STATION, TRAIN STATION.
UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? UH, I'LL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
UH, I THINK THE APPROPRIATE ACTION TODAY WOULD BE TO HOLD THIS CASE AND GET THE MITCHELL'S SOME, UH, SOME ASSISTANCE TO, UM, TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.
I THINK CHARACTERIZING THIS AS MULTIFAMILY IS A MISCHARACTERIZATION.
UM, WE'VE GOT A HOMELESS PROBLEM IN OUR CITY.
WE HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROBLEM IN OUR CITY.
UM, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THIS STRUCTURE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN BUILT IN PHASES OVER THE YEARS, LIKELY WITHOUT ANY PERMITS, BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE HISTORY OF THAT.
THAT'S NOT THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WE, WE, WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT.
AND SO, UH, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH A CERTAIN CONSULTANT IN THIS ROOM THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO REPRESENT THE MITCHELLS AND SEE IF A SOLUTION COULD BE ARRIVED AT, UM, IN A, UH, IN A, UM, A PERIOD OF SAY A MONTH.
UH, I REALLY THINK IT'D BE A SHAME TO ASK THE MITCHELLS TO START OVER, FILE MORE FEES, WAIT MORE, YOU KNOW, SPEND MORE TIME AND, AND ENERGY AND, UH, SEE IF A CREATIVE SOLUTION CAN BE, UH, UH, CAN BE ARRIVED AT.
SO, UH, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO PERHAPS A DIFFERENT MOTION.
YEAH, I LARGELY TAKE THE SAME POSITION AS COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
AND THE, THE POINT THAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, WHICH HE MADE, ALSO MADE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY TAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOOKS
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AND, YOU KNOW, COMES IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT FORMS. AND THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO END UP AS A, A MULTIFAMILY USE NECESSARILY.SO, YOU KNOW, WITH WITHIN THE TRADITIONAL DEFINITION OF DWELL MULTIFAMILY, WHICH I THINK IS THREE OR MORE DWELLING UNITS ON A PROPERTY.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD GIVE THE MITCHELLS HERE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO REALLY GO THROUGH ALL OF THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS AND ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC USE THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE ON THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS HOUSING VETERANS AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, RENTING OUT APARTMENTS TO, TO FAMILIES OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A SOLUTION HERE WITHOUT REQUIRING THEM TO COME BACK A SECOND TIME AND SUBMIT ADDITIONAL FEES.
COMMISSIONER TREADRIGHT, UM, I WANNA ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT AND VICE CHAIR RUBEN HAVE SAID.
I, I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME TIME TO HAVE SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND HEAR BACK DIRECTLY FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND.
WE DID GET SOME LETTERS AND OPPOSITION, AND I THINK IT IS WORTH FLESHING THAT OUT.
WHAT ARE THE CONCERNS? AND IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE, WHAT ARE THEY? CAN THEY CLEARLY BE IDENTIFIED? BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE, NOT EVERY FACT WAS ON THE TABLE, UM, SO THAT IT COULD BE ADDRESSED.
AND FOR THAT REASON, I, I AGREE.
I, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THIS BEING HELD SO THAT THESE ISSUES CAN BE WORKED ON.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, I WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.
I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT ALL OF US, UH, ON THE COMMISSION, UH, ARE IN SYMPATHY WITH THE USE THAT'S BEING CONDUCTED ON THE PROPERTY AND WANTING TO FIND A WAY TO, UH, FACILITATE THAT.
AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE ALL FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN PAINTED INTO A CORNER.
AND, UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE APPLICANT AND THE GOOD WORK THEY'RE DOING, IT'S THE APPLICANT THAT HAS PAINTED US INTO THAT CORNER BY TAKING MATTERS INTO, UH, THEIR OWN HANDS AND DOING A BUNCH OF, UH, CONSTRUCTION WORK WITHOUT A PERMIT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA TAKE TO GET ACROSS TO THE CITIZENS OF DALLAS THAT IF YOU WANNA RENOVATE YOUR HOUSE, YOU DON'T JUST GO TO HOME DEPOT AND BUY SOME PLYWOOD AND PAINT, UH, THAT THERE IS A PROCESS TO BE FOLLOWED, WHICH IS NOT JUST A BUREAUCRATIC PROCESS, BUT IS A PROCESS TO DESIGNED, FIRST OF ALL, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS DONE SAFELY AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH BUILDING CODES SO THAT THERE IS NO DISASTER FORTHCOMING.
AND SECONDLY, SO THAT PROBLEMS SUCH AS ZONING PROBLEMS WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING CAN BE IDENTIFIED EARLY IN THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF HERE AT THE HORSESHOE AT A, UH, AT A HEARING WHERE THE ONLY OPTIONS ON THE TABLE ARE UNPALATABLE OPTIONS.
SO I DEFER TO COMMISSIONER POPKIN IN HER DISTRICT.
SHE HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON WCAP.
SHE HAS HER FINGER ON THE PULSE OF THE COMMUNITY SENTIMENT, UH, REGARDING MULTIFAMILY USES.
IT MAY BE THAT A WAY CAN BE FOUND TO PERMIT THIS USE WITHOUT OPENING THE DOOR TO UNWANTED GENERAL MULTIFAMILY.
BUT, UH, I THINK THE CONTEXT FOR THAT PROCESS NEEDS TO BE A BROADER PROCESS THAN JUST FINDING A WAY TO HAMMER THIS ROUND ZONING CASE INTO A SQUARE HOLE.
COMMISSIONER BLACK, I SECOND HER, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER POPS MOTION AND AFTER, YOU KNOW, AND I, EH, MAYBE HOLD IT, BUT AFTER LISTENING TO COMMISSIONER YOUNG, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT OUT OF MY, MY SENSE OF CONSISTENCY, I HAVE BEEN BOXED IN THAT SAME TYPE OF CORNER.
AND I, AND I DID THE SAME THING.
I, I SAID, DON'T BOX, DON'T, I, I DID NOT ALLOW AN APPLICANT TO BOX ME IN A CORNER WHERE I HAD TO MAKE, UH, A DECISION THAT WAS NOT PALATABLE FOR ANYBODY.
UM, WHEN, WHEN I TRY TO DO MEDIATIONS, I ALWAYS TELL MY, MY PEOPLE, WHEN I'M MEDIATING, MY GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE COMES OUT TOTALLY APPRECIATE TOTALLY GETTING WHAT THEY WANT, IF YOU CAN, ALTHOUGH YOU CAN LIVE WITH IT.
WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM, UM, COMMISSIONER POPS, THE COMMUNITY IS NOT HAPPY WITH BEING PUT IN A POSITION TO ACCEPT A LAND USE THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THEIR COMMUNITY.
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UM, I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE SERVICE THAT THE, THE MITCHELLS ARE PROVIDING ARE FOR, UM, A, A SMALL SUBSET OF COMMUNITY THAT WE OWE OUR LIVES TO.WE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HERE OWES OUR LIVES TO OUR LIFE AND OUR LIBERTY TO, THAT'S, AND WHICH MAKES THIS HARDER, BUT SHOULD NOT.
BUT, BUT IF, WHAT WOULD, UM, DR.
U DARA JUST MADE ME PUT ME IN A BOX, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
UM, THAT SAID THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO WE THEY ARE SERVING, IT'S ABOUT IS IT A GOOD USE OF LAND, WHERE IT IS, AND IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH IT SETS IN? THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING VERY ELOQUENT TO SAY, BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THIS HAS BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
THE VETERANS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN A FANCY CONDOMINIUM AND PEOPLE ALL THE TIME RENOVATE THESE CONDOMINIUMS WITHOUT GETTING PERMITS CUZ THEY DIDN'T KNOW A LOT OF TIMES THAT PROCESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE CASE HERE OR NOT, BUT I DO KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS PARTICULAR CASE IS THAT BLACK AND WHITE SOMETHING GIVES ME PAUSE.
AND WHEN I FEEL THAT PAUSE, IT MAKES ME SAY, DON'T DISMISS, LET'S HOLD IT OVER BECAUSE I GOT THE SAME FEELING AS COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
SOMETHING ABOUT THIS EVEN BEING DEALT WITH IS MULTIFAMILY, AS IF THEY'RE ONLY TWO I OPTIONS, SINGLE FAMILY MULTIFAMILY.
WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR EIGHT YEARS, THAT'S SERVING A MUCH NEEDED PURPOSE.
YOU KNOW, I, I MEAN, I GUESS I WANT TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS BEFORE WE JUST CLOSE THIS OUT FOR THE MITCHELLS.
SO I CAN'T SUPPORT THE MOTION EITHER.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER AB THAT THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE STARTED TODAY'S, UM, HEARING WITH THE HOUSING BRIEFING, TALKING ABOUT THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES THAT WE NEED IN OUR CITY.
AND I APPLAUD THE MITCHELL'S FOR THE SERVICE THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING.
LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID BEFORE ME, THIS IS NOT A BLACK AND WHITE CASE.
THERE IS SO MUCH NUANCE HERE, BUT I'M ALSO NOT SURE THAT THE, THIS GROUP AROUND THE HORSESHOE IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SOLVE THIS.
IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND, AND IN DISCOVERING SHOULD IT CONTINUE AT THIS LOCATION, I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU ACTUALLY MOVED FROM ANOTHER LOCATION, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMEWHERE THAT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED? I DO HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIND A SOLUTION, WHETHER IT'S HERE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THE COMMUNITY BEING INVOLVED.
I DO LOOK AND SEE, WE HAVE FIVE RESPONSES IN, IN OPPOSITION.
SO THERE CLEARLY IS SOME CONCERN WITH HOW THIS IS OPERATING AT THIS LOCATION, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE CONTEXT FOR THAT.
I WOULD SUPPORT HAVING IT HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT, BUT I'M ALSO NOT SURE THAT THAT'S MOVING THIS DISCUSSION FORWARD.
AND THAT WOULD BE MY GREATEST CONCERN IS, UM, IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SERVING BOTH THIS APPLICANT AND THE COMMUNITY.
SO I WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER POPKIN AND THE WORK THAT SHE'S PUT IN ON THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM OUR FOLKS ON COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? THANK YOU.
UM, I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON THIS.
I APPRECIATE BOTH COMMISSIONER HOUSE WRIGHT'S POSITION AND COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S POSITION.
AND IN THE END I TEND TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER WHOSE DISTRICT IT IS.
AND, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM A MILITARY FAMILY AND HAVING A LOT OF EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH THE VA AND THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE, I UNDERSTAND HOW NEEDED THESE SERVICES CAN BE.
BUT YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE THE PLAN COMMISSION AND WE DEAL WITH LAND USE ISSUES PRIMARILY, AND SOME PROBLEMS ARE BEYOND OUR SCOPE TO SOLVE.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT COMMISSIONER POPKIN HAS PUT INTO WCAP AND THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT HER CONSTITUENTS HAVE PUT INTO, UM, THAT PROCESS SEEMS A LITTLE UNFAIR TO, AT THE BEGINNING OF IT, MAKE A DECISION, UM, THAT COULD BE CONTRARY TO IT AND IS CONTRARY TO THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN TO THAT FROM THAT COMMUNITY, UM,
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AT THIS STAGE.AND, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG SAID, WE HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED OVER TIME WITHOUT INSPECTIONS, WITHOUT PERMITS.
AND AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
THERE COULD BE LIFE SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
AND THE EFFORT TO TRY TO SAVE THIS PROJECT IS ADMIRABLE, BUT IT MAY NOT BE DOING ANYBODY ANY FAVORS LONG TERM.
NOT JUST FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, BUT FROM LIFE SAFETY ISSUES AND, UH, OTHER TENANT ISSUES THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY IN OUR PURVIEW IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UH, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
UM, I THINK THAT THERE IS, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY AND OLIVE BRANCH HERE TO REACH OUT AND TRY TO HELP THIS ORGANIZATION CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE, THERE WANTED TO BE MORE MULTIFAMILY NEAR THE TYLER STATION IN THAT AREA.
AND I THINK THAT THERE, THE PARTNERS THAT MAY BE INVOLVED WITH THIS OPERATION COULD POTENTIALLY HELP THEM, UM, IF WE WERE TO CREATE REQUIREMENTS THAT LOOKED MORE LIKE THE MULTI-FAMILY THAT THE WORLD CAB WANTED TO HAVE HAPPEN HERE, UM, AND THEN HAVE THEM MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AS A CONDITION.
SO I MEAN, I WOULD BE MORE IN FAVOR OF HOLDING THE MATTER, UM, BUT I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS IT STANDS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? YES.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I, NO, THIS ONE'S JUST, THIS ONE'S GOTTEN UNDER MY SKIN.
UM, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THE MITCHELL'S ENLARGED THIS STRUCTURE.
THEY SAID THEY DID SOME RENOVATIONS AND, AND INSIDE THEY'VE NOT ENLARGED THE STRUCTURE.
THIS STRUCTURE'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS.
AND SO WHY WE WOULD TAKE THIS MOMENT TO TAKE THE ACTION OF, OF DENIAL, UM, AS OPPOSED TO, UH, TAKING A MONTH AND EXPLORING SOLUTIONS AND THE, IT, WE MAY END UP RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED A MONTH FROM NOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T GIVE THE, UH, APPLICANT THE RESPECT AND THE COURTESY OF A LITTLE TIME ON THIS TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO, UH, SERVE THE CONSTITUENTS, UH, THAT THEY SERVE.
I I SURE THIS IS IN DISTRICT ONE.
THIS IS NOT JUST A DISTRICT ONE ISSUE.
THIS IS FAR BIGGER THAN DISTRICT ONE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, UM, I'VE SAID MY, MY PIECE, SO THANK YOU.
UM, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THIS ITEM PUT UNDER ADVISEMENT.
I CAN COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION TO A REQUEST FOR MULTIFAMILY, A STRAIGHT ZONING, UH, CHANGE TO MULTIFAMILY IN THE MIDDLE OF AN R 75 NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT I THINK THERE'S MORE NUANCE THAN THAT HERE.
OUR CODE DOES PROVIDE FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES WITHIN R 75, AND I THINK THIS FACILITY IS MUCH MORE LIKE A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, A GROUP HANDICAPPED HOME THAN IT IS A STRAIGHT MULTIFAMILY.
SO, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO GO BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A POSSIBILITY HERE, UM, TO SORT OF RECRAFT THE, THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DO AN MF TWO REZONING.
UM, THIS IS THE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT KIND OF USE THIS IS, BUT TO SAY THIS IS WHAT THE USE IS, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE GENERAL TYPES OF INSTITUTIONAL USES THAT WE FIND IN OUR SEVEN FIVE.
AND THERE'S A POSSIBILITY HERE THAT YOU COULD WRITE A PD AND CRAFT A DEFINITION FOR THIS AND MAYBE WE WOULD GET BACK AT THE SAME PLACE, BUT I, I WOULD PREFER TO, UM, HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT CONVERSATION.
AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, TO EXTEND THE CONVERSATION.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN, I'LL, I'LL JUST ADD ONE MORE COMMENT THAT, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF OUR CONATION ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'LL DEFER TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CONVERSATION CONTINUE AND, UM, AGREE TO HOLD THIS CASE OVER, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT WHETHER, UM, UH, POTENTIALLY A PD WITH SPECIFIC CONDITIONS COULD MAKE THIS USE PALATABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS A LITMUS TEST FOR FUTURE CONVERSATIONS TO COME ABOUT, UM, MULTI-FAMILY OR INCREASED DENSITY AROUND THIS TYLER STATION, UM, AREA
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THAT, THAT DOES NOT HAVE AN EXISTING AUTHORIZED HEARING YET.UM, AND, AND, AND SEE WHERE THIS CONVERSATION TAKES US.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER POPKIN.
SO IS, UH, YOUR MOTION NOW WITHDRAWN? NOW YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HOLD OTHER ADVISEMENT TO JULY 20TH.
UH, COULD WE MAKE IT AUGUST 17TH? OKAY, LET'S DO THAT.
UH, SO THE MOTION IS, IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU? IS THAT OKAY WITH THE BOBBY MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
WE HAVE A NEW MOTION, UH, MADE BY COMMISSIONER POP TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER HIS ADVISEMENT TILL AUGUST SEVEN 17TH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I BELIEVE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, COMMISSIONERS WILL NOW MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 10.
UH, MR. MULKEY, CAN YOU PLEASE SIR? ANYONE JUST READ THAT INTO THE RECORD.
IT'S GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
ITEM 10 KC 2 23 DASH ONE 11, AN APPLICATION FOR A DA DUPLEX SUB-DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 95, THE SOUTH DALLAS FAIR PARK SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE NORTHWEST LINE OF GARDEN LANE, SOUTHWEST OF SECOND AVENUE STAFF'S.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER 10 Z 2 23 1 11.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION, SIR? YES, THE MATTER IS Z 2 23 1 11.
I HOLD, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO OUR JULY 6TH MEETING.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN, COMMISSIONER HOUSER FOR YOUR SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, MISS, JUST CAN ANYONE WHO JUST READ IT IN THE RECORD, THIS IS ALSO GONNA GET HELP.
AN APPLICATION FOR A DA DUPLEX DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY ZONED AN R 7.5.
A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE WEST SIDE OF SOUTH PRAIRIE CREEK ROAD, NORTH OF FIRESIDE DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER 11 Z 2 1 12 1 59.
COMMISSIONER, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 1 59.
I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE MATTER OPEN AND HOLD THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 3RD, 2023.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLA FOR YOUR MOTION.
IYE CHAIR, WE FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ITEM 12 IS Z TWO 12 DASH TWO 11.
AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 38 ON PROPERTY ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY TOLAND STREET NORTH, JIM MILLER ROAD, MILITARY PARKWAY, AND WILKES AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
UH, MS. GYER, MR. CROWLEY, CARL CROWLEY 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, REPRESENTING THE D I S D.
THE, UH, PRINCIPAL AND HER OFFICE MANAGER WERE HERE, BUT THEY HAD TO LEAVE.
IT'S NOT DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, BUT IT'S A HUGE BUSY TIME FOR PRINCIPALS TO SORT OF CLOSE UP THE BOOKS AND STUFF.
SO, UH, SHE APOLOGIZES FOR NOT BEING HERE TO TELL YOU THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT, I JOKINGLY JOKE WITH THE FORMER PEACOCK MILITARY ACADEMY.
ORIGINALLY THIS WAS A MILITARY ACADEMY.
THIS SCHOOL WAS BACK IN THE THIRTIES, IF NOT BEFORE THAT.
UM, SO THIS, THIS SCHOOL HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME.
IT'S BEEN A D I S D SCHOOL, OBVIOUSLY FOR A LONG TIME ALSO.
UM, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BASICALLY WE'LL REPLACE THE OLDER SCHOOL THERE WITH A BRAND NEW MODERN FACILITY FOR THEM.
UM, MUCH LIKE THE SAMUEL, WHAT I TALKED TO YOU EARLIER, WE'VE WORKED
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OUT SOME IDEAS ABOUT, UH, THIS WHOLE INTERIOR OF THE SITE.AND I'VE GOT A PRESENTATION, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BORE Y'ALL WITH IT.
UM, COOL SCHOOLS IS INVOLVED IN THIS SITE.
THERE'S A LARGE SORT OF, I, I'LL CALL IT AN OPEN AREA.
I'M NOT GONNA USE THE WORD PARK BECAUSE IT'S, PARK HAS A DEFINED TERM, BUT AOKE A LO AN INTERIOR AREA FOR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND STUFF.
AND WE'VE PUT BENCHES AND THINGS AROUND THAT, WHICH IS THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS AND STUFF.
UM, WE'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC FOR THE MOST PART OFF THE STREETS.
UM, WE, THE PRE-K AND K IS THAT SIDE ON, UM, WILKES THAT, UM, JENNIFER MENTIONED TO YOU THAT THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT THAT SPILLS OVER, BUT WE'VE WORKED ON THAT.
RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST CHAOS WRAPS AROUND THAT SCHOOL.
UH, AND, AND WE'VE CLEANED OFF, UH, CLOSED THE MEETING OPENING IN MILITARY PARKWAY TO SORT OF GET RID OF SOME OF MAYBE THAT CHAOS AND STUFF.
OTHERWISE, UH, MS. LENIHAN'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT OTHERWISE, UH, UH, WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR WORKING US THROUGH THIS ONE.
AND YES, UM, MR. SMITH ONLINE.
HE'S, HE CAN JUST ANSWER QUESTIONS JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS.
MR. SMITH? YEAH, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? Z TWO 12.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MR. HOUSE OR COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT? MR. CRAWLING? UM, I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT D I D I S D NEEDS TO CON CONTINUE TO UPGRADE THEIR SCHOOLS, IMPROVE EDUCATION FOR THE STUDENTS IN OUR CITY.
BUT WE WEEK AFTER WEEK, MONTH AFTER MONTH, WE GET CASES THAT ARE TEARING DOWN WHAT I THINK ARE HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES.
AND, AND SO HERE WE ARE WITH A SCHOOL THAT WAS A FORMER MILITARY ACADEMY AND FOR ALL I KNOW THE NAME OF THE STREET OUT FRONT IS NAMED BECAUSE OF THIS ACADEMY.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS FACADE ON, UH, ON GOOGLE AND THIS IS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
IT MAY NOT BE PROTECTED, BUT, UM, I JUST GET DISCOURAGED MEETING AFTER MEETING, VOTING TO TEAR THE, THIS PIECE OF DALLAS HISTORY DOWN.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT OR DOES D I S D HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? WELL, I, I SORT OF WISH THE PRINCIPAL WAS HERE.
SHE EXPLAINED TO ME THAT, UM, THEY OCCASIONALLY HAVE A STUDENT
UM, NOT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACADE.
UM, BUT, BUT THE INTERIOR IS NOT SAVEABLE.
IT'S IN, IT'S IN VERY BAD SHAPE.
AND ACTUALLY IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THE WINGS, UM, THAT WAS ADDED IN THE 2008 ISH TIME PERIOD, THAT IS ALSO BEING REMOVED CUZ IT'S ALSO IN, IN IN BAD SHAPE.
NOW THAT MAY BE A CONTRACTOR ISSUE, NOT AN AGE ISSUE.
UM, THE, THE ARCHITECT, WE ARE DOING SOME HOMAGE TO THAT.
WE ARE, UH, SAY THERE'S A LITTLE PORT, UH, I'LL CALL IT AN ARBOR SITUATION THAT SORT OF, UH, GIVES HOMAGE TO THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THE, OF THE SCHOOL AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, BUT AS A FACADE AND EVERYTHING, SHE EVEN MENTIONED TO ME THERE ARE LITERALLY GUNS, UH, IN THE, IN THE, UH, I GUESS THE FREEZE OF THE, THE FACADE.
UH, BECAUSE THE STUDENTS, SHE SAID THE STUDENTS COME BACK TO WHY ARE THERE GUNS IN OUR SCHOOL? UM, THAT IT WAS A MILITARY ACADEMY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT AGE IT WAS, BUT, BUT SHE EVEN BROUGHT THAT TO ME, DIDN'T EVEN ASK CAUSE SHE BROUGHT THAT UP THERE ACTUALLY GUNS IN THE, I I, I WENT TO ARCHITE SCHOOL A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THE FREEZE THAT'S IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S CARVED INTO IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE OR NOT FOR A SCHOOL NOW, BUT, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, AND, AND GENEVA HEIGHTS THAT WE DID SAVE THAT OLDER BUILDING, IT WAS A MORE PRESERVABLE BUILDING, BUT SHE SAID THIS, THIS BUILDING IS IN VERY, VERY BAD SHAPE.
SO ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YEP.
THE FENCE AGAIN? NO, UM, WELL THE, THE HISTORICAL FACTOR IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND, UM, DALLAS HAS NOT BEEN KNOWN FOR SAVING HISTORY.
THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 1930.
IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED YEARS OLD IN A FEW YEARS.
UM, SO YES, I, I TOO SECOND THAT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO RESTORATION, UM, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO EDUCATING OUR STUDENTS.
CUZ WE WANT TO EDUCATE THEM TO PRESERVE OUR CITY AND NOT TO DESTROY IT.
UM, BUT NEITHER HERE, THERE, UH, I, I'LL GO BACK TO THE FENCING.
I, I SEE FENCING AROUND THAT SCHOOL RIGHT NOW.
UM, A SCHOOL THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IT'S NOT SAVABLE, MEANING WHY ARE WE HAVING STUDENTS IN THERE AND THEN WE'RE DOING A REBUILD ON THE SCHOOL, BUT WE'RE KEEPING THE PORTABLES THAT NO, ALL THE PORTABLES WILL GO AWAY.
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OKAY.THAT WAS, THAT WAS MENTIONED OPPOSITE.
THERE'LL BE PORTABLES UNTIL WE BUILD THE NEW SCHOOL ALL.
MEMBERS? ANY OTHER, OH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
YEAH, I WANNA ECHO COMMISSIONER HOUSE RIGHT'S, UM, DISAPPOINTMENT WITH DSDS, UH, FAILURE TO MAKE ANY EFFORT TO SAVE THE HISTORIC FACADE OF THIS STRUCTURE.
AND IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AGE AS GENEVA HEIGHTS.
AND I THINK IF WE'RE BEING HONEST, GENEVA HEIGHTS, UH, HISTORIC STRUCTURE IS ONLY THERE BECAUSE A FEW OF US THREATENED TO CHAIN OURSELVES TO THE FRONT OF IT.
IF D I S D WAS GONNA CONTINUE TO THREATEN, TO TEAR IT DOWN.
AND IT'S ONLY THOSE EFFORTS OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE NEARBY THAT SAVED THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE.
AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.
UM, AND IF THIS BUILDING IS REALLY TO THE POINT THAT IT CAN'T BE SAVED.
IT'S BECAUSE THE DISTRICT HASN'T DONE WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THESE BUILDINGS.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. CROWLEY? I, YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF MR. CROWLEY IS GOING TO CONVEY THESE SENTIMENTS TO THE DISTRICTS, AND IF SO, HOW? UH, DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE.
WHO IS THAT PLEASE? UH, I'M SORRY.
MS. LENAHAN
AND IS THE ARCHITECT THERE? HE IS ONLINE, YEAH, I'M ONLINE.
WHAT'S SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FACADE OF THIS BUILDING PREVENTS THE DISTRICT FROM BEING ABLE TO SALVAGE IT AND USE IT IN THE NEW DESIGN? UM, SEVERAL THINGS.
UH, LOGISTICS IS A BIG PART OF IT.
IT'S, UM, IT'S A SCHOOL IN OPERATION AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE WAY WE'RE KEEPING THE SCHOOL RUNNING IS WE'RE BUILDING A NEW SCHOOL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE SO THE SCHOOL CAN STAY IN OPERATION, UM, WHILE WE BUILD A NEW ONE.
IF WE WERE TO RENOVATE IT, UH, IN PLACE.
OTHERWISE, IT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO, TO DO THAT.
I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO DISPLACE ALL THE STUDENTS.
UH, WE ARE, I WILL NOTE, WE ARE PAYING HOMAGE TO THE OLD BUILDING.
THERE'S, UH, A CASTSTONE EMBLEM ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OF A PEACOCK.
IT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, 1930S BUILDING THAT WE'RE SALVAGING AND WE, THERE'S A DISPLAY AND THE, THE FRONT ENTRY PLAZA OF THE NEW SCHOOL WITH THE OLD CASTSTONE EMBLEM THAT WE SALVAGED.
ARE YOU REUSING ANY PART OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IN THE NEW BUILDING? UH, OTHER THAN, UH, THAT DECORATIVE CASTSTONE PIECE? NO, WE'RE NOT.
SO THE FACADE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING COULD HAVE BEEN REUSED, BUT THE DECISION WAS MADE NOT TO REUSE IT BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO? WELL, WE NEED DE WELL, WE NEED TO BUILD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SITE, KEEP THIS CIVIL OPERATION USING A TEMPORARY CAMPUS AND REMODELING USING THE EXISTING FACADE.
THAT DECISION WAS MADE TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING FACADE.
PART OF THE, PART OF THE REASON, YES.
SO THE EXISTING FACADE COULD HAVE BEEN SALVAGED AND REUSED AS PART OF THE BUILDING.
IT'S, IT'S NOT A, A CONDITION ISSUE, IT'S A DECISION, RIGHT? UM, YES, I'D SAY YES.
UH, THE CONDITION, A LOT OF IT IS, UH, JUST LOGISTICS AND EXPENSE AND, UH, THOSE TYPE OF DECISIONS.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY QUESTION.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AN SHE ASKED MY QUESTION, SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UM, SO ALONG THE SAME LINES AS, AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, UM, HISTORIC BUILDING AND PRESERVING PORTIONS OF THAT FOR A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES, UM, IS THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE.
AND COULD YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON WHY, UM, THE TRANSPARENCY, HEIGHT, ADMINISTRATION, NONE OF THOSE THINGS COULD HAVE PLAYED A ROLE IN, IN THE, IN THE FUTURE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING? ARE YOU ASKING AS FAR AS, UM, SALVAGING AND RELOCATING PARTS OF THE BUILDING OR NO,
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KEEP KEEPING THEM WHERE THEY ARE, BUT PUTTING THEM INTO THE DESIGN CONVERSATION WITH THE REMAINDER OF, UM, THE OVERALL SITE DESIGN.BECAUSE YOU'RE BUILDING THE SITE, AS I UNDERSTAND, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF, OF THE BUILDING, I MEAN OF THE SITE, THE EXISTING SITE, BUT WHICH WOULD ALLOW THAT TO REMAIN IN THE FUTURE.
SO COULD IT NOT BE ADAPTABLY REUSED OR COULD THERE BE SOME STRATEGY IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORY OF THAT BUILDING? WE DID INVESTIGATE THAT IN OUR EARLY DESIGN CONCEPTS, UH, WAS KEEPING PARTS OF THE FAC THE FACADE AND MAKING IT PART OF THAT PARK THAT IS THERE.
UM, THE EXPENSE TO DO THAT, UH, REALLY GOT IN THE WAY.
UH, IF WE, WE, THE PARTS OF THE BUILDING JUST DID HAVE TO BE REMOVED FOR SAFETY.
AND IF WE KEPT THE FACADE, LIKE OUR DESIGN CONCEPTS SHOWED, WE, THE AMOUNT OF STRUCTURE YOU WOULD'VE TO ADD TO SHORE IT UP AND ALL THE EXPENSE OF THAT WAS JUST PROHIBITIVE.
IT WAS, UH, IT WAS A LOT OF MONEY TO, TO SHORE IT UP AND KEEP IT THERE AS A HOMAGE TO THE OLD SCHOOL.
COULD, COULD I ASK THE QUESTION OF STAFF? UH, WE'LL GET THE STAFF QUESTIONS IN A MINUTE.
COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, OUR APPLICANT COMMISSIONER STANDARD? YES, I DO.
UH, AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR MS. LENAHAN SINCE SHE REPRESENTS D I S D, BUT ISN'T IT TRUE, BECAUSE WE DEALT WITH THIS WITH ABOUT THREE OTHER SCHOOLS, ISN'T IT TRUE THAT, AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG.
SO I'M ASKING IT AS A QUESTION.
IS IT TRUE
IS THAT CORRECT? OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD? ABSOLUTELY.
SO, UH, WE DON'T MOVE STUDENTS LIGHTLY.
THE THREE SCHOOLS THAT WE DID MOVE STUDENTS ON ARE FOUR STOOLS SCHOOLS.
UM, THE SITES WERE SO SMALL AND THERE WERE, OR WE WERE CONSOLIDATING AT ANOTHER CAMPUS, BUT THE SITES WERE SO SMALL THAT WE COULDN'T BUILD ON THE SITE AND ENSURE THE STUDENT SAFETY AND, AND FOR THEM TO OCCUPY THAT BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME.
SO THEN THE LOGISTICS OF MOVING THEM, TAKING THEM OUT OF THEIR HOME NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO TO SCHOOL IN ANOTHER PART OF TOWN IS A CHALLENGE.
THEREFORE, IN ANY OTHER SITUATION, I'M SURE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE SAVED THE FACADE BECAUSE THIS IS RATHER HISTORIC, BUT THAT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE IN THIS SITUATION WITHOUT UPROOTING THE KIDS FOR 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS.
ABSOLUTELY, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE DISTRICT DOES NOT TAKE LIGHTLY TAKING DOWN AN OLDER STRUCTURE AND REMOVING PART OF THE CULTURAL PATCH PROMOTING OF OUR CITY.
BUT WE'RE HERE TO BUILD SCHOOLS, AND WE'RE HERE TO BUILD SCHOOLS AND BETTER SCHOOLS FOR STUDENTS SO WE CAN ENSURE THEIR SUSTAINABLE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT FOR THE FUTURE.
AND A STUDENT IS OUR PRIORITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS.
THANKS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.
UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED THE HISTORICAL VALUE.
ARE YOU GUYS AWARE THAT THIS IS A HISTORICAL MARKER THAT THIS BUILDING IS, HAS BEEN DEEMED HISTORICAL? I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ON A HISTORIC REGISTER.
UH, I'LL LET STAFF, UH, STAFF DIDN'T MENTION IT.
IT, IT'S NOT A, A LANDMARK IN TERMS OF CITY DESIGNATION AS FAR AS ANY STATEWIDE DESIGNATION.
I, I WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF THAT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALL RIGHT.
QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REFER A CASE TO THE HISTORIC COMMISSION? NO, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.
SEEING NON CHAIR, DID YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
IN THE MATTER OF CASE NUMBER Z 2 12 2 11, I MOVE TO CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEF.
I HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT IF I GET A SECOND.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND CHAIR.
UH, A COUPLE OF THANK YOUS, THE SAME LIST AS BEFORE.
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UH, AL GAER, UH, MR. CROWLEY, UH, THE D I S D TEAM.THIS IS GONNA BE A BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL.
THE PARK IS GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL.
IN FACT, IT EMBRACES THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, BEAUTIFULLY LANDSCAPED, UH, TIGHT LITTLE SIGHT.
AND I THINK THE, UH, THE DESIGNERS DID A GOOD JOB TO IMPROVE THE CIRCULATION.
AND JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I WANT TO JUST COMMENT ON THE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ON THE FENCE.
I THINK COMMISSIONER HERBERT IS, IS 100% CORRECT.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE WE'RE MOVING THE OTHER WAY.
UH, I THINK THE, THE FENCES INSTEAD OF COMING DOWN ARE ONLY, NOT ONLY GONNA KEEP COMING UP, BUT THEY'RE GONNA GET HIGHER.
AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY NOT TO DIGRESS INTO, YOU KNOW, AWAY FROM LAND USE, BUT I THINK WE JUST LIVE IN A VERY STRANGE PERIOD IN HISTORY WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE WRINKLE IN THE, IN THE MATRIX, MAYBE, THAT WE HAVE ACCEPTED THE KIND OF VIOLENCE THAT WE JUST LOOK THE OTHER WAY AND WE HAVE ACCEPTED IT.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS IT BY BUILDING MORE FENCES AND HIGHER AND HIGHER OFFENSES.
AND, UH, UNFORTUNATELY I THINK THAT'S THE CASE THAT WE, WE HAVE HERE AND THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO SEE.
UH, AND I THINK IT'S JUST FRANKLY UNFORTUNATE, BUT HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE COOL SCHOOLS PROGRAM.
UH, AND AGAIN, HAPPY TO SUPPORT MEMBERS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, SEEING NONE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR, SECONDED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A TRAFFIC MAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.
ANY OPPOSED? NAY? YOU SAID TWO IN OPPOSITION.
WITH, UH, THE MOTION CARRIES COMMISSIONERS, UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER TREADWAY HAS A CONFLICT ON THE NEXT CASE AND IS STEPPING OUT OF THE CHAMBER.
ITEM NUMBER 13 Z 2 12 2 66, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
DISTRICT NUMBER 6 65, BOUNDED BY BURY DRIVE, ST.
JUDES DRIVE, MASON DELLS DRIVE AND TUNICA DRIVE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.