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UH, WE STILL

[Arts & Cultural Advisory Commission on May 18, 2023.]

ARE HAVING A FEW TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT WE DO HAVE A FORUM AND PRESENT.

SO WE ARE GETTING READY TO START THIS MEETING.

WE DO HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS TODAY.

AT THIS TIME, MY COORDINATOR INTRODUCED THEM.

ALSO GIVE THE GUIDELINES AS REMINDERS, WHICH I'M SURE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN BRIEFED ON, BUT AS A REMINDER, WE WILL GO OVER THAT AS WELL.

COMING TO US TODAY IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY REGISTERED.

AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

MADAM CHAIR? YES.

WHAT IS THE QUESTION? IT SAYS, SEE NOTE BELOW AFTER PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

OH, I SEE IT.

OKAY, I SEE LOUIS.

WE'RE READY WHEN YOU ARE PASS SPEAKER.

WE DO HAVE THREE SPEAKERS, SPEAKER, OFFICER, SAME ROLES AS OF PROPERTY FORM CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

ANY SPEAKERS MAKING PERSONAL IMPEDIMENT OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS SHALL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION OF MEETING AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC GENERALLY HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, SUBJECT TO CHANGE BY THE CHAIR.

TIME CLOCK WILL SIGNAL WHEN YOUR TIME HAS ELAPSED.

WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE ALLOW THE NEXT SPEAKER OF TURN.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND PLEASE ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR.

OUR SPEAKER IS ELIZABETH LONDON.

ELIZABETH, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN HEAR.

OKAY.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

YOU, YES.

DO YOU WANT ME TO START MY VIDEO? YES, PLEASE, MA'AM.

OKAY.

CAN YOU SEE ME? YES.

YES.

OKAY.

HI, I'M SO HONORED TO BE HERE.

UH, MY NAME IS ELIZABETH LONDON AND I AM THE FOUNDER OF CAUSE ABILITY.ORG.

CAUSE ABILITY.ORG IS A DALLAS COUNTY NONPROFIT THAT IS OFFERING $5,000 ARTIST GRANTS TO ARTISTS TO BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE WITH LOCAL NONPROFITS TO BOLSTER THEIR COMMUNITY AND, AND WORK, UH, DEVELOPING PROGRAMS, EDUCATIONAL, UM, EVENTS, THINGS THAT CAN BUILD COMMUNITY, UH, IN DALLAS.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO COME ON AND INTRODUCE MYSELF AND, YOU KNOW, LET ME LET YOU GUYS AND EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO UPLIFT ARTISTS.

WE ALSO HAVE A WEBSITE CALLED ART FOR YOUR CAUSE, WHERE WE HAVE ARTIST PRODUCTS ON FOR SALE AND ALL THE PROCEEDS GO TO EITHER THE ARTISTS OR THE CAUSE ABILITY ARTIST GRANTS.

SO WE'VE CREATED THIS NEW BUSINESS MODEL AND WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

AND WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH, UM, DALLAS CULTURAL, UH, COMMITTEE TODAY.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME SHARE.

AND IF YOU NEED, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SCHEDULE, AN APPOINTMENT WITH ME TO TALK, MY EMAIL IS LIZ AYC.COM.

THAT'S A F YC.COM OR INFO CAUSE ABILITY.ORG.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, IF I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS, BUT I'M OPEN TO THAT.

UM, EITHER WAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

AND ONCE AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS? LIZ L IZ AT A AS IN APPLE, F AS IN FRANK, Y AS IN YOUNG, AND C AS IN CHARLIE.COM.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SURE.

WHAT IS THE APPLICATION PROCESS LIKE? UM, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MEETING WITH YOU FIRST OR IS THERE A LINK THAT WE COULD, UH, SHARE OR RESEARCH BEFORE WE MEET WITH YOU? JUST WONDERING.

YES.

LET ME PUT THAT.

CAN I PUT THAT IN THE, UM, CHAT? THAT'D BE GREAT.

IF YOU EMAIL US, WE WILL ALSO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION RECEIVES THAT.

OKAY.

FANTASTIC.

I JUST PUT THE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A GRANT PAGE THAT EXPLAINS IT ALL.

AND SO YOU DON'T, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SET, SET UP A ZOOM CALL WITH ME THAT MY CALENDAR'S ON THE WEBSITE.

SO EITHER WAY YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE GRANT PROCESS, BUT IT'S GOOD TO, TO COLLABORATE.

YOU KNOW, I WELCOME UH, PHONE CALLS, VIDEO CALLS, WHATEVER.

MY PHONE NUMBER IS NINE SEVEN TWO NINE ZERO FOUR ONE ZERO ONE SIX SIX.

AND I'LL PUT THAT IN THE CHAT TOO.

SO I JUST, WE JUST WANNA EMPOWER ARTISTS IN DALLAS AND I THINK THAT WE ARE DOING THAT BY OFFERING THESE GRANTS.

AND THANKS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LETTING ME PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

THANK YOU VOICE.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER, LOUIS, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVID LOZANO.

DAVID, ARE YOU HERE? HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS DAVID LOZANO.

MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS DAVID KA THEATER.ORG.

I'M THE EXECUTIVE ARTISTIC DIRECTOR OF ACADEMY THEATER, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, AND I WANT TO THANK MADAM CHAIR GOODSON ARTS AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND DR.

AND DIRECTOR PHILIPPE.

I'M HERE TO ASK THE COMMISSION TO HELP THE TWO RESIDENT THEATERS OF THE LATINO CULTURAL CENTER ACADEMY THEATER AND THA DALLAS.

DALLAS CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A RESOLUTION IN DECEMBER OF 2019 TO GRANT RESIDENCY STATUS TO OUR TWO COMPANIES, BUT THE YEAR IS 2023, AND WE STILL DO NOT HAVE AN ANNUAL USE AGREEMENT THAT OUTLINES CLEAR POLICIES FOR OUR ACCESS TO THE BUILDING.

OACS CURRENT PROPOSALS FOR ACCESS ARE NOT WORKABLE.

OUR RESIDENCIES WERE MEANT TO CREATE EQUITY BETWEEN LATINO THEATER GROUPS AND HISTORICALLY WHITE LED ARTS ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE RESIDENTS OF CITY ARTS BUILDINGS.

HOWEVER, THE ACCESS OFFERED TO US IS NOT EQUITABLE, NOR DO OACS PROPOSALS FOR ACCESS REPRESENT PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS LOCALLY OR NATIONALLY.

THIS PUTS THE CITY'S CURRENT STANCE AT DIRECT ODDS WITH THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE RESIDENCY AGREEMENT.

THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION REQUIRED THE TWO COMPANIES HELP RAISE $500,000 FOR THE NEW BLACK BOX ACADEMY, RAISED 175,000 ON ITS OWN WHILE ASSISTING WITH ARREST.

WE FINISHED THE CAMPAIGN IN DECEMBER, 2020, BUT DONORS TO THE BLACK BOX STILL HAD NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED WITH THEIR NAMES ON THE BUILDING.

ONE DONOR DI KA ASKED WHAT WAS TAKING SO LONG, AND WHEN I DESCRIBED THE ACCESS ISSUES, HE SAID, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE A RESIDENCY IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS.

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE RESIDENCY.

WHAT WE NEED IS SIMPLE.

WE NEED DAILY ACCESS TO THE THEATER FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL MIDNIGHT.

AND KEY ACCESS FOR AFTER HOURS, KEYS FOR AFTER HOURS.

WE ALSO NEED ACCESS ON HOLIDAYS LIKE ANY OTHER PROFESSIONAL RESIDENT THEATER.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

THE REST IS FOR THE ATTORNEYS TO WORK OUT IN THE CONTRACT.

I WAS TOLD THAT THE L CCC COULDN'T OPEN BEFORE 9:00 AM BECAUSE ONE OF THE THREE TECHNICIANS HAS TO DROP OFF HIS CHILDREN AT SCHOOL.

THERE ARE TWO OTHER TECHNICIANS AND OTHER STAFF MEMBERS WITHOUT CHILDREN AT HOME WHO CAN OPEN THE DOORS.

OAC ALSO PROPOSES THAT THE BUILDING CLOSES AT 10:00 PM FOR REHEARSALS AND 11:00 PM ON PERFORMANCE DAYS.

ANYONE WHO HAS WORKED IN THEATER KNOWS THAT THESE HOURS ARE NOT WORKABLE FROM KAMIA.

WE SIMPLY CAN'T EXECUTE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN WITH THESE LIMITATIONS.

I SHOWED THE COMMISSION WHAT A SUCCESSFUL PRODUCTION LOOKS LIKE FOR KIR DURING THE FEBRUARY COMMISSION MEETING, AND IT WAS WITH ACCESS FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL MIDNIGHT.

AND THE CURRENT KEY POLICY OFFERED BY THE CITY FOR US TO ENTER THE BUILDING AFTER HOURS IS ALSO JUST NOT WORKABLE.

IF THE REASON WE DON'T HAVE THE SAME ACCESS, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T RAISE AS MUCH MONEY AS THE AT AND T PERFORMING ARTS CENTER OR THE DALLAS THEATER CENTER, THEN THAT'S NOT AN ACCESS POLICY BUILT ON EQUITY.

THAT'S A POLICY BUILT ON PRIVILEGE.

I HOPE THAT YOU CAN HELP US AS THE COMMISSION MOVE FORWARD TO EQUITABLE AND ACCESSIBLE RESIDENCIES FOR OUR LATINX THEATERS AT THE LCC.

I INVITE ANY COMMISSIONER TO ASK ME QUESTIONS OR REACH OUT TO ME VIA EMAIL TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THESE CHALLENGES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

MR. LOZANO CUMMINGS? YEAH.

UM, MADAM CHAIR, SO I'M, I'M CARAM, ME IS LIAISON AND I KNOW THEY'VE HAD MS. LC, I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE CANNOT DISCUSS THIS SINCE IT WAS NOT NOTICED ON THE AGENDA.

I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA REQUEST, I WAS GONNA

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REQUEST IF WE COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT NEXT MEETING TO GET A, UH, BRIEFING ON THAT.

JUST CUZ I'M, I KIND OF AM AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I I WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT HERE.

OKAY.

SO COULD WE, COULD WE ADD THAT TO OUR AGENDA? THANK YOU.

FOR NEXT MONTH.

I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT.

OKAY.

AS THE LIAISON TO TERA.

ALL RIGHT.

AND I'M NOT THE LIAISON, BUT I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN HERE.

I KNOW WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT, BUT I WANNA, I'D LIKE, I WANNA BE SURE THAT WHAT WE NEED AS A COMMISSION IS VERY CLEAR.

WE NEED A FULL BRIEFING ON WHY THIS IS EVEN COMING TO THE COMMISSION.

WHY THEY HAVE NOT, WHY, WHY O A C CAN'T RESPOND TO THESE REQUESTS.

BECAUSE, UM, AS I RECALL, UM, MR. LOZANO WAS AT OUR LAST MEETING, AND I BELIEVE THAT I'M CORRECT THAT THEY ARE FACING SOME CONTRACTUAL DEADLINES SO THAT BY THE TIME WE MEET NEXT TIME, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL BE TOO LATE, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM IMMEDIATE HELP.

SO I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT AS POINTED OUT BY THE OFFICE, BY THE OFFICE, BUT IT IS, IT IS A MATTER OF WHAT MOST IMPORTANT TO THE CITY AND IT IS A MATTER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.

AND I'M REALLY NOT QUITE SURE.

IT WASN'T JUST WHY IT WASN'T PUT ON THE AGENDA BY THE OFFICE WITHOUT A REQUEST.

SO I THANK YOU.

I WANTED TO MAKE THOSE COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONERS, YOUR COMMENTS ARE DULY NOTED.

I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW ACTUALLY WHY, WHAT TOOK SO LONG TOO, CUZ THE, THE, THE CONTRACT WAS EXECUTED QUITE A WHILE AGO.

SO I, I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHY, OKAY.

WHY THIS HAS TAKEN SO MUCH TIME.

I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED BE ALLOWED ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT THEY WON'T ASK, THAT THEY SHARE THEM WITH WHOEVER YOU TELL US TO DIRECT 'EM TO AT THE OAC SO THAT THAT BRIEFING IS FULL AND COMPLETE BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN BEFORE US, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN SOLVED.

YOU DIRECT YOUR QUESTIONS VIA EMAIL TO BENJAMIN TO THIS MATTER, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE.

I'M SORRY.

I WOULD BE DIRECTED TO QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS MATTER TO BENJAMIN SPEAK.

WE'LL ENSURE THAT IT LANDS ON OUR AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING AS WELL.

YOU, MA'AM, YOU'VE ALREADY GONE TWICE.

, YOU SAW ME PUT MY HAND OVER MY MOUTH.

WOULD THAT INCLUDE, UM, REQUESTING A COPY OF THE CONTRACT? WE ALSO GET THAT.

OKAY.

SEND YOUR REQUEST VIA EMAIL OKAY.

TO BENJAMIN.

OKAY.

WILL IT BE HONORED OR CAN WE GET A COPY OF THE REQUEST? WE'LL DETERMINE THE COPY WHEN HE GATHERS ALL OF THE REQUESTS.

OKAY.

MADAM CHAIR, DIRECTOR, MAY WE COPY YOU ON OUR REQUEST TO ALWAYS, UM, ANYTIME MR. ESP ESPINA, BECAUSE I THINK HE'S ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AND IT'S TOLD FIFTH.

YES MA'AM.

SIR, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE ARE.

IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS, SEND THEM ADDRESSED TO BENJAMIN WITH CC TO THE DIRECTOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

WE HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SARAH ORONA.

HI.

HI.

CAN YOU ALL SEE ME? THERE WE GO.

CAN YOU SEE ME? HELLO? YES.

YES, YES.

HI.

ARE YOU OKAY? UM, I, I KNOW DAVID ADDRESSED THIS, BUT, UM, AS THE SECOND THEATER INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS THAT DALLAS, I WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY MAKE MY STATEMENT.

UM, SO THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR GOODSON AND THE ARTS AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION AND DIRECTOR LI .

MY NAME IS SARAH CARDONA.

I AM THE FORMER ARTISTIC EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF DRO DALLAS ANDM.

INVOLVED IN, UM, THIS PROCESS THAT DAVID ADDRESSED.

I'M CURRENTLY NOW THE DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.

WE'VE HIRED A NEW ARTISTIC DIRECTOR AS OF FEBRUARY.

UM, IN 2019, THE CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZED OUR TWO THEATERS AS THE PROFESSIONAL LEGACY LATINX THEATERS WITH OVER 75 YEARS OF COMBINED CULTURAL SERVICE TO DALLAS AND PASSED THE RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE OUR COMPANIES WITH THE RESIDENCIES AT THE LATINO CULTURAL CENTER.

ADDITIONALLY, IT WAS IMPRESSED UPON US, OUR COMPANIES, THAT WE RAISED THE $500,000 IN A CONSOLIDATED CAPITAL CAMPAIGN TO PURCHASE THE LIGHTS, SOUND AND SEATING FOR THE BLACK BOX THEATER, WHICH I WOULD NOTE, UM, IS A BENEFIT TO ALL OF THE ARTS GROUPS IN DALLAS AT THE L C C.

IN SUPPORT OF OUR RESIDENCIES, OUR RESIDENCIES WERE LEVERAGED AS A WAY OF RAISING FUNDS BY FOUNDATIONS AND INDIVIDUAL DONORS FOR A CITY FACILITY AS THEY BELIEVE THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS WOULD ENABLE US TO WORK PROFESSIONALLY WITH ACCESS IN THE L C C FOR YEARS TO COME.

THESE FUNDS WERE RAISED DURING COVID NO LESS AND TOTALED MORE THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

DURING THIS CAMPAIGN PROCESS, OAC STAFF ASSURANCES WERE MADE THAT THE RESIDENCY USE AGREEMENT WOULD BE CREATED AND IN PLACE FOR OUR THEATERS BY FALL OF 2021.

THREE YEARS LATER, THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED.

EFFECTUALLY PUTTING, EFFECTUALLY PUTTING THE CITY IN A POSITION OF A VIOLATION

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OF THE BREACH OF CONTRACT OR IN THE VERNACULAR PARLANCE, ABATE AND SWITCH.

THE ASSURANCES MADE BY THE O A C STAFF ARE RECORDED IN A LENGTHY ONLINE MEETING AND IN NUMEROUS EMAILS.

FURTHERMORE, OUR THEATER RESIDENCIES HAVE BEEN TOUTED PUBLICLY AS BOLD, UNPRECEDENTED, AND THE ONLY KINDS IN THE UNITED STATES WITH ARTS ADMINISTRATORS FROM AS FAR AS HOUSTON VISITING DALLAS TO ACCOMP TO SEE WHAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED IN TERMS OF PROGRESSIVE ARTS EQUITY.

UNFORTUNATELY, NOW THAT THE PUBLIC RELATION PURPOSES FOR THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS HAVE BEEN EXTINGUISHED, IT APPEARS IT'S A CITY'S ATTITUDE HAS SHIFTED.

IN FACT, YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THESE TWO THEATER COMPANIES THAT WERE URGED TO SEEK MORE THAN HALF A MILLION IN FUNDING TO BENEFIT A CITY FACILITY.

AND WE'VE PROVIDED AN AVERAGE OF 16 WEEKS OF PROFESSIONAL PROGRAMS, AND WE HAVE FULFILLED ALL THESE.

IT IS NOW 2023, AND THE CITY AND STAFF OF O A C HAVE NOT DELIVERED OUR USE AGREEMENT THAT CLEARLY DEFINES OUR RIGHTS AS RESIDENT COMPANIES TO WORK PROFESSIONALLY IN THE L C C SPACES.

OUR DONORS HAVE YET TO BE RECOGNIZED ON THE BUILDING AS PROMISED, AND WE HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HIRING AND RETAINING ATTORNEYS TO PROVIDE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THIS MATTER.

THIS IS EXPENSIVE FOR OUR SMALL THEATERS, AND THE OPPOSITE OF REDUCING BARRIERS TO ACCESS AND EQUITY THAT WAS FORMALLY TOUTED SO VOCIFEROUSLY BY OAC STAFF.

OUR AGREEMENTS, UH, RESIDENCY AGREEMENTS SIGNED AND ADOPTED BY ALL PARTIES IN 2020 CLEARLY DEFINES OUR RESIDENCY AS ALLOWING ACCESS AND THE ABILITY TO WORK AS PROFESSIONAL CON COMPANIES DEFINED BY THE STANDARDS IN THE THEATER INDUSTRY.

MS. CORDONA? YES.

WE'LL HAVE TO CUT YOU OFF.

YOU I UNDERSTAND.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

SARAH AND COMMISSIONERS THE SAME HOLDS TRUE.

IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, PLEASE SEND THEM TO BENJAMIN WITH A CC TO OUR DIRECTOR.

DO WE HAVE ANY MORE SPEAKERS? NO, THAT IS ALL CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

AS WE MOVE THROUGH OUR AGENDA, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A SHORT AGENDA, BUT AS WE LOOK AT THE, THE FEW ITEMS THAT ARE THERE, THEY COULD CAUSE US TO EXTEND OUR TIME.

SO WE'RE GONNA ASK THAT WE CAN CONVINCE OUR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEN THAT WILL ALLOW EVERYBODY TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUES.

IF THIS DOES NOT WORK, WE'RE GOING TO PLAY IT BY EAR AND LET YOU TALK.

I DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO LEAVE.

THERE ARE OTHER EVENTS, ARTS RELATED AND PERSONAL THAT ARE GOING ON TONIGHT.

SO WE WOULD ASK YOUR PARTICIPATION IN HOLDING YOUR COMMENTS WHETHER OR NOT COMPETITIVE OR REPEAT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS SAID.

THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR VOTING AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 20TH, 2020 TO RECEIVE COMMISSIONER'S MEETING.

IS THERE A MOTION? YES.

COMMISSIONER WANTS MAY WE HAVE A MOMENT JUST TO READ THEM SINCE WE JUST GOT OUT? OKAY.

SHE'S ASKED FOR TIME TO REVIEW THE AGENDA AND THE MINUTES.

COMMISSIONERS, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, MEETING MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, IT HAS BEEN MOVED.

AND SECOND THAT WE ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

THE MINUTES WILL STAND APPROVED AS READ.

VOTE, NEED TO VOTE.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

LET IT BE KNOWN IF BY RAISING YOUR HANDS.

HANDS UP IF YOU APPROVE THESE.

BE EMAIL, BE EMAIL.

MADAM CHAIR.

OKAY, THERE LOOKS LIKE I'M FROZEN OR SOMETHING'S HAPPENING.

WEIRD, BUT, UM, I, WE HAVEN'T FROZEN YOU .

OKAY.

WE HAD THOSE WHO WERE IN FAVOR TO RAISE THEIR HANDS.

NOW WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT APPROVE THE ADOPTION OF THE MINUTES, LET IT BE KNOWN BY RAISING YOUR HAND.

THE EYES HAVE IT AND MOTION IS CARRIED.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE DELAY HAS TO DO WITH THE RANSOMWARE OR WHAT.

EVERYTHING IS MOVING SLOW AND CONFUSING.

OKAY,

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THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

PUBLIC ART COMMITTEE READING THIS.

PUBLIC COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIR.

UH, THE SECOND VOTING AGENDA ITEM IS RECOMMENDATIONS.

SUPPORT OF A QUALIFIED SELECTION PANEL CANDIDATES FOR PUBLIC ART, UH, SELECTION PANEL LIST.

THIS IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR PUBLIC ART PROCESS THAT'S HAVING, UH, ART ARTISTS FROM THE COMMUNITY BE A PART OF OUR REVIEW PANEL.

ONCE, YOU KNOW, WE DO THE CALL PARTIES, WE NARROW IT DOWN TO THE FEW, UM, THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE TAKEN FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, BROUGHT UP INTO FURTHER POTENTIAL BEFORE MAKING A FINAL SELECTION.

THERE'S A, THERE'S AN ARTIST REVIEW PANEL THAT'S A PART OF THAT PROCESS THAT GIVES US IMPORTANT FEEDBACK, UM, AND ACTUALLY VOTES ON THE PROJECTS AS THEY MOVE THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

SO WE HAVE A LIST OF ARTISTS THAT POTENTIALLY CAN SERVEE ON THOSE PANELS.

THE, THE MORE FOLKS ARE ON THAT LIFT, THE BETTER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO DO SIGNIFICANT, THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE AND PUBLIC MANAGEMENT TEAM FUND, OUR MANAGEMENT TEAM HAS TO DO SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF OUTREACH TO ARTISTS TO GET THEM TO JOIN.

SO THE MORE PEOPLE ON THE LIST, THE BETTER CHANCES THEY HAVE OF FULFILLING, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THERE.

AND THE MORE DIVERSE THE SELECTION POOL IS, THE BETTER.

AND SO THESE FIVE ADDITIONAL CANDIDATES ADDRESS BOTH OF THOSE MAKING THE POOL MORE DIVERSE AND LARGER.

YOU CAN SEE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE WHO THESE FIVE PEOPLE ARE ON THE BACK SIDE, THE VOTING AGENDA ITEM.

OKAY.

THE LISTING OF THOSE ARTISTS.

WE WILL FIND THAT IT'S JUST ON THE BACK PAGE SHEET, THE LAST PAGE OF YOUR PACKET HERE.

SO WE WERE ASKING TO ADD THESE PEOPLE TO OUR ARTIST SELECTION PANEL ROSTER.

OKAY.

AND I WILL MAKE THE MOTION IS THAT SECOND.

SECOND.

IT IS REMOVED THE SECONDMENT THAT WE ACCEPT THE FIVE PANELISTS TO BE ADDED TO THE ROSTER.

DOES EVERYBODY SEE THE NAMES AND SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THEM? ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION? I YOU MADE A QUESTION.

YEAH.

QUESTION SECOND.

OH, HE SECOND IT TO? YEAH.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

LET IT BE KNOWN BY RAISING YOUR HANDS.

THOSE WHO DO NOT APPROVE RAISING YOUR HANDS.

THE AYES HAVE THE MOTION IS CARRIED.

WE'RE NOT DOWN TO THE BRIEFINGS.

AND I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THREE, IS THAT CORRECT, BENJAMIN? YEAH.

OKAY.

FOUR.

WHAT ITEM? CULTURAL SPOTLIGHT.

ANCIENT FILM FESTIVAL OF TEXAS.

SINCE I SPEAK HERE.

OKAY.

I DON'T HAVE, THEY DIDN'T GIVE ME.

WELCOME TO OUR SPECIAL SPEAKERS FROM THE ASIAN FILM FESTIVAL.

PLEASE SHARE YOUR NAME AND YOUR TITLES AND YOUR INTRODUCTION.

MY NAME IS JOSH TYS.

I AM A GRANT WRITER AND ASSISTANT PROGRAMMER FESTIVAL.

I'M TOM SCHUBERT, I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR DAVID CHONG.

I'M, I HELP WITH THE GRANTS AND I'M ALSO HELP WITH EDUCATION FOR ASIAN FULL .

WELCOME.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE, SO I JUST START TALKING .

SORRY ABOUT PLEASE.

WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE.

WE'RE DELIGHTED TO GET THE INVITATION.

UM, TOMMY HAS A LITTLE MORE, UH, TENURE ON THE FESTIVAL THAN I DO, AND HE HAS TOLD ME THAT HE DOESN'T RECALL.

UM, I, I THINK HAD THIS, HAD THIS HONOR BEFORE, BUT I PARDONED IF WE HAVE.

AND I, BUT I ALSO WANT THANK YOU.

WE ARE IN A, WE, WE WERE APPROVED FOR FUNDING FOR THIS YEAR'S FESTIVAL AND I WANNA THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OF COURSE.

WE STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON, YOU KNOW, OUR PROJECT.

UM, NEVERTHELESS, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN A HUGE PARTNER FOR US OVER THE LAST, I'VE BEEN PART OF THE FESTIVAL FOR A FEW YEARS,

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UM, TOMMY FOR OVER A DECADE.

AND WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

ACTUALLY THIS IS OUR 23RD YEAR, UM, OR 22ND YEAR.

BUT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, 20 2001 WAS WHEN WE WERE FOUNDED.

YES.

SO 22ND YEAR.

UM, SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE, BUT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN PRETTY MUCH THE BACKBONE AND A LOT OF, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UH, NEW GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO UTILIZE OVER THE YEARS, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN, YOU ALL HAVE REMAINED REALLY KIND OF OUR ROCK THERE FOR ALLOWING US TO DO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO AT THE FESTIVAL.

AND SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN FILMERS.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR BIGGEST FILMS, UM, ARE SOME OF OUR BEST FILMS AND SOME OF OUR BEST, UH, AUDIENCE TURNOUTS.

SO THE ONE, THE Q AND AS THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR FILMMAKERS.

AND THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY, IT COULD BE A DIRECTOR.

IT COULD ALSO BE, UM, SOMEONE BEHIND THE SCENES AS WELL, OR THE ACTORS, YOU KNOW, THOSE Q AND AS, THOSE RED CARPET EVENTS, THOSE THINGS LIKE THAT THEY'RE NOT FREE TO PUT ON.

AND THE MONEY THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE TO US GOES A LONG WAY INTO ALLOWING US TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S MORE ALLOWS US TO RENT A THEATER FOR, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE, WE PRETTY MUCH USE UP HALF OF THE ANGELICA FILM, SENATOR OF DALLAS FOR, YOU KNOW, A FEW DAYS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY REDUCE THEIR PROGRAMMING, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S NOT FREE, YOU KNOW, SO WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T HOLD THIS EVENT WITHOUT Y'ALL'S ASSISTANT ASSISTANCE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THE ASIAN FILM FESTIVAL OF DALLAS, PRIMARILY OUR GOAL IS TO, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOW OFF THE DIVERSITY NAME, YOU KNOW, AS IS OUR NAME, YOU KNOW, THE ASIAN AMERICAN AND ASIAN CULTURES.

UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT MIGHT JUST CATCH THEIR ASIAN FILMS THROUGH NETFLIX OR ONE OF THE OTHER STREAMING SERVICES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA SEE A LOT OF THE FILMS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT COME ACROSS OUR PLATFORM.

YOU KNOW, IN FACT, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, IN MANY INSTANCES THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF THESE FILMMAKERS TO GET THEIR FILMS ON SCREEN.

MM-HMM.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THEN, AND THIS COULD BE FIG, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTARIANS OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, FILMMAKERS OF, YOU KNOW, ALL BACKGROUNDS, WOMEN, MEN, WOMEN, UM, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA.

SO I THINK, UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WITHOUT THE FESTIVAL ITSELF, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE GETTING THE BIG FILMS. WE LOVE, YOU KNOW, LANDING, ONE OF THE FILM MADE ONE OF THOSE FILMS YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD ABOUT.

BUT REALLY THE THING THAT REALLY, UM, BRINGS PEOPLE IN IS THE STUFF THAT THEY HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT WHEN THEY LEAVE THE FESTIVAL AND THEY TALK ABOUT THAT FILM THAT THEY NEVER HEARD OF, UM, AND THEY OTHERWISE NEVER WOULD'VE SEEN.

UM, AND THAT, THAT'S THEIR OPPORTUNITY.

AND WHAT'S MORE, IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE FILMERS TO COME AND TALK ABOUT, UM, AND SHARE THOSE FILMS WITH US.

UM, THIS YEAR WE ARE GONNA CONTINUE OUR STUDENT SHOWCASE.

THAT'S ANOTHER FUN THING THAT WE DO.

UM, IT'S A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND CO UH, COLLEGIAN STUDENTS ENTER.

UM, IT'S A COMP, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUN CUZ THOSE KIDS DON'T HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING TO COME TO A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE LARGER THEATERS IN DALLAS AND PUT THEIR STUFF ON THE BIG SCREEN AND HAVE THEIR FAMILIES COME OUT.

AND THAT'S A FUN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM, UH, TO SEE THEIR STUFF ON THE BIG SCREEN MORE THAN JUST AN IPAD, FOR EXAMPLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND ALSO TALK ABOUT IT.

WE, WE GIVE AWARDS, UH, FOR THAT, UM, AS WELL.

SO, AND LAST YEAR, ONE OF OUR, PROBABLY OUR, OUR MOST ATTENDED DAY, UM, IT ACTUALLY WAS OUR MOST ATTENDED DAY, IT WAS OUR WOMEN'S SHOWCASE.

WE DEVOTED THE FINAL DAY OF OUR FESTIVAL TO THAT, UM, EVENT, WHICH HAD A RED CARPET EVENT.

IT HAD FILMMAKERS, IT HAD ACTORS AND ACTRESSES.

UM, AND IT WAS JUST A BLAST.

AND WE HAD A FANTASTIC TURNOUT, UM, THAT DAY.

AND THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER ONE OF, ALONG WITH THE STUDENT SHOWCASE.

THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR, THAT AND THE WOMEN'S SHOWCASE ARE SOME OF OUR, UM, THINGS THAT WE LOVE TO DO ON A REGULAR BASIS.

UM, IN ADDITION TO OUR OTHER STANDARD, UM, FILMS. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF TOMMY OR DAVID HAVE ANYTHING THEY WANNA ADD.

UM, UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.

22 YEARS IS, IT'S NOT A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME AND NONE OF OUR STAFF AT THAT DURING THAT TIME HAVE BEEN PAID.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS, UH, JUST FOR THE PURE PASSION OF IT.

UH, ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE RECEIVE FROM ALL OF OUR SOURCES GOES DIRECTLY INTO THE FESTIVAL OR AWARDS FOR THE FILMMAKERS OR STUDENTS.

UM, AND WE'RE PRETTY EFFICIENT WITH OUR MONEY .

WE, WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE TO PUT THE MONEY DIRECTLY, UH, FORWARD FACING TOWARDS OUR AUDIENCE AND THE COMMUNITY.

SPEAKING OF COMMUNITIES, WE, UH, A LOT OF FOLKS THINK OF JUST A COUPLE OF THE ASIAN COMMUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

WE TRY AND WE MAKE IT A POINT OF PRIDE TO SERVE AS MANY AS WE CAN EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

UM, YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF FILMS FROM MALAYSIA OR FROM MONGOLIA OR NOT, UM, WHAT WAS IT? VIETNAM.

VIETNAM, YEAH.

UM, WE DON'T SEE A LOT OF THOSE FILMS COME TO AMERICA, UH, VERY OFTEN, ESPECIALLY NOT DALLAS.

AND WE'RE VERY ALWAYS VERY PROUD TO, UM, TO BRING FILMS FROM PLACES THAT, UH, A LOT OF STANDARD FILM VIEWERS MIGHT NOT HAVE EVER SEEN, WHICH IS PRETTY EXCITING.

WE CAN TO OBVIOUSLY ENGAGE WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES, BRING THOSE COMMUNITIES

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OUT, BRING THEM IN AS COMMUNITY SPONSORS.

UM, AND IT'S PRETTY EXCITING.

WE, WE ARE VERY PROUD TO, UM, SUPPORT AND CHAMPION ASIAN AND ASIAN AMERICAN FILM AND CULTURE, UM, EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

AND I WOULD ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, IN LIGHT OF SOME, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE ALL OF US HAVE SEEN STUFF THAT HAPPENED IN THE NEWS.

IT WAS A VERY GREAT, IT WAS GREAT TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, ESPECIALLY THESE LAST FEW YEARS AND, AND DEFINITELY SHOW OFF THE VIBRANCY, UH, OF THE ASIAN CULTURE IN A, IN A POSITIVE LIGHT IN A POSITIVE WAY.

I THINK IT'S LIKE A BIG DEAL HAVING AN ASIAN FILMFEST IN A CITY LIKE DALLAS.

I THINK IT REALLY KIND OF SHOWCASES THAT WE HAVE THESE EVENTS, WE HAVE THESE FESTIVALS THAT EVEN OTHER BIG CITIES DON'T EVEN HAVE.

I MEAN, WE'RE THE LARGEST FEST, UH, ASIAN FILM FESTIVAL IN THE SOUTHWEST.

I THINK IT'S A, A TESTAMENT TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND TO THE, THE INTEREST IN ASIAN FILM AND ASIAN CULTURE.

UM, AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO ADD WAS, I THINK IT'S SUCH A GREAT PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SEE THEMSELVES AS BEING ABLE TO CREATE FILMS. LIKE I THINK YOU'RE BRINGING IN PEOPLE AND SHOWCASING NOT JUST STUDENT WORK, BUT YOU'RE GETTING A CHANCE TO SEE THESE FILMMAKERS WHO MIGHT BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THEIR CAREERS OR DIFFERENT STAGES OF THEIR CAREERS AND THEY CAN, YOU CAN SEE LIKE, HEY, I CAN DO THIS TOO.

MAYBE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I MIGHT WANT TO DO.

IT INSPIRES PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT FESTIVALS DO A LOT OF TIMES.

AND I THINK WE'RE DOING, I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT ASIAN FILM FESTIVAL.

SURE.

WE'LL JUST TALK YOUR EAR OFF .

YEAH.

YOU CAN TALK LIKE THIS.

YEAH.

IF Y'ALL GOT QUESTIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO MISS.

DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT TIME OF YEAR IS YOUR FESTIVAL? IT'S JULY 13TH THROUGH THE 16TH THIS YEAR.

IT'S USUALLY MID-JULY.

THAT'S WHERE I SPEND MOST OF THE TIME.

UM, IT WAS THE OLD MAGNOLIA FOR A LITTLE BIT.

I BEEN AT THE ANGELICA FOR A WHILE.

UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT.

LOVE TO HAVE Y'ALL OUT.

OH, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO COME HERE.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL, WE'LL RESERVE, UH, THERE SEEMS TO BE LIKE 25 OF YOU.

MAYBE.

MAYBE.

WE'LL, UH, WE'LL PUT A, WE'LL PUT A, WE'LL EARMARK SOME TICKETS FOR YOU GUYS.

WE'D LOVE FOR YOU GUYS TO COME UP AND CHECK.

IT'S A LOT OF FUN.

WHAT'S YOUR EXPECTED ATTENDANCE? UM, THE EXPECTED ATTENDANCE FOR THE WEEKEND IS PROBABLY A LITTLE OVER 900 IS OUR EXPECTATION.

UM, PRE COVID LEVELS WERE ABOUT 800.

UM, THIS MOST RECENT YEAR, UH, THIS IS KIND OF OUR BIG RETURN TO A FULL FESTIVAL AT OUR ORIGINAL TIME, UM, WAS ACTUALLY THE SAME AS PRE PANDEMIC, UH, WHICH IS PRETTY GREAT.

SO WE EXPECT THAT TO THEN RISE AGAIN, UH, AT AROUND 900 FOR THE JUST THE WEEKEND.

OUR, IN THE PAST, OUR FESTIVAL'S BEEN FOR THE WHOLE WEEK.

UM, BUT JUST LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO BE SMART ABOUT IT AND START REAL SLOW AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS READY TO DO THIS AS MUCH AS WE'RE READY TO DO THIS.

COMMISSIONER.

IT IS MID JULY 30.

JULY 13TH TO THE 16TH.

YEAH.

THURSDAY SECOND.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UH, I HAVE A COMMENT CHAIR HERE ON SCREEN.

UH, THIS IS DAVID SMALL AND, UH, AS MODEST AS THESE GUYS ARE, UH, I'D LIKE TO JUST CHIME IN AND, AND VOUCH FOR THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE ASIAN FILM FESTIVAL.

UH, THESE GUYS DO TREMENDOUS WORK, UH, AND SEEING, UH, UH, SCHUBERT DOWN THERE.

UH, HE'S CERTAINLY FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF HIS MOTHER PATTY SCHUBERT, UH, EDUCATOR IN FILM.

UH, AND SHE HAS DONE TREMENDOUS THINGS IN DALLAS COUNTY.

UH, AND THIS FESTIVAL, UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE VERY MODEST IN THEIR COMMENTS.

THE IMPACT THEY HAVE, UH, THEY PARTNER WITH PRACTICALLY EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY HERE IN DALLAS.

UM, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, HISPANIC COMMUNITY, UH, THE LARGER FILM COMMUNITY.

UH, THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS.

THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS FESTIVAL.

THEY VOLUNTEER, UH, FOR OTHER FESTIVALS AND THEY DO TREMENDOUS WORK.

THEY EDUCATE STUDENTS AND THEY AT AN INCREDIBLE RATE.

UH, A LOT OF WHAT THEY DO IS FOR THE BENEFITS OF, UH, THE BENEFIT OF STUDENTS HERE IN DALLAS COUNTY.

AND I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD THESE GUYS.

IT'S A SURPRISE TO SEE THEM HERE AT THIS MEETING.

AND I, I PERSONALLY APPLAUD THEM.

THANK YOU, DAVID.

THAT'S HUMBLING.

MY MOM'S NOT DEAD YET THOUGH.

STILL GOING.

WE ALL PROBABLY SEE HER SOONER LATER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER ILLA HAND.

JOE, I'M SORRY.

QUESTIONS GO AHEAD.

SHE SAID NO, NO.

OH, SHE WAS JUST WAVING AT US, I THINK.

OKAY.

THANK YOU GUYS.

WE'LL BE THE SAME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

HOPE TO SEE YOU GUYS SOON.

OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT THE SECOND BRIEFING, THE 2024 CAPITAL BOND.

UH, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BENJAMIN RA.

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MADAM CHAIR, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT STAFF COULD SEND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON, UM, VIRTUAL THE SAME DOCUMENTS THAT YOU PASSED OUT? OKAY, I'LL ASK STAFF THAT QUESTION.

STAFF DIRECTOR LOOKS LIKE IT.

I BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENED.

IT'S OUT.

IT HAS HAPPENED.

YEAH.

OKAY.

HE JUST SENT THAT.

IT'S KIND, IT CAME FROM ME.

THANK YOU FORBEARING WITH US.

IT, IT WAS REPLY TO THE FRIDAY EMAIL.

SO IT SAYS RE AC, AC UPDATES AND AGENDA MATERIALS.

THANK YOU.

YOU LOOK FOR GETTING EMAIL FROM ME.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I'M BEEN MS. ESP, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE, AND IT'S MY PLEASURE TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS WE BEGIN THE 2024 BOND PROCESS.

SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE SLIDES.

UM, IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

SO, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

THE OFFICE OF BOND CONSTRUCTION AND MANAGEMENT, UM, OVERSEES THE BOND PROGRAM.

THE BOND PROGRAM IS SLATED HOPEFULLY FOR MAY, 2024.

EACH DEPARTMENT, UM, UH, SELECTS ITS SCORING CRITERIA WITH WHICH, WHICH MUST EQUAL EIGHT A HUNDRED POINTS.

AND UNLIKE PAST YEARS THAT WE ONLY USE TECHNICAL CRITERIA LIKE, UH, THE CONDITION OF BUILDINGS, UH, OPERATION MAINTENANCE, SUSTAINABILITY, WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED EQUITY INTO THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM.

SO 20 POINTS WILL ACTUALLY BE FOR EQUITY AND 80 POINTS WILL BE FOR TECHNICAL CRITERIA.

ALSO, THERE'S A THIRD, UM, COMPONENT TO IT, WHICH IS CALLED AN OVERLAPPING DEPARTMENT.

PROJECTS ARE COUNTED FOR USING THE CALCULATED PERCENTAGE FACTOR INTERACTIVE MAP THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO US.

SO LET ME EXPLAIN.

UM, LET ME TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

SO TWO DEPARTMENTS, SO FOR INSTANCE, TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC WORKS ARE WORKING ON A STREET PROJECT TOGETHER AT OVERLAY MAP WOULD BE REMAIN TO THAT.

SO AC DOES NOT HAVE THAT.

RIGHT NOW, THE ESTIMATED ALLOCATION FOR THE 2024 BOND IS APPROXIMATELY A LITTLE BIT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.

SO SLIDE NUMBER FIVE, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I'LL BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT OUR TECHNICAL AND EQUITY CRITERIA.

SO AS I SAID, EVERY DEPARTMENT DEVELOPS TECHNICAL CRITERIA BASED ON DEPARTMENTAL NEEDS, CONCERNS, EXPERTISE.

UM, THE CRITERIA, UM, IS DEVELOPED IN TANDEM WITH THE BOND WITH THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

AND AS I SAID, UM, 80 POINTS ARE COME FROM A TECHNICAL SCORE.

AND THE DEPARTMENT SCORE ARE THE FAC.

OUR FACILITIES, WE HAVE 19 FACILITIES, SEVEN ARE RUN BY THE OAC AND 12, OUR PARTNER MANAGE FACILITIES.

SO WE, THE DEPARTMENT, I'M SORRY, THE DEPARTMENT IN TDO WITH ON CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT WILL DETERMINE THE PROJECT, THE SCORE FOR THE NEEDS INVENTORY, WHAT IS, AGAIN, MOVING INTO ACCOUNT, THE IMPORTANCE OF CITY DEPARTMENT'S, INTERCONNECTIVITY AND WORKING TOGETHER.

WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY.

AS WE MOVE INTO THE 21ST CENTURY, WE REALLY HAVE TO THINK ABOUT OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT ON OUR EARTH.

WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT SUSTAINABILITY, HOW, HOW TO BE MORE COST EFFICIENT, AND THEN A SENSE ALSO HOW TO, HOW DOES SAFETY FIT INTO WITHIN OUR CCAP GOALS, WHICH ARE PART OF OUR GOALS FOR OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.

NOW, THIS IS WHERE I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US, AND THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN DALLAS TAKING A LEAD ON THIS IS WITH EQUITY CRITERIA.

10 POINTS OF EQUITY WILL BE BASED ON AN EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT SCORE.

AND I'LL COVER THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE.

IN A MINUTE.

10 POINTS WILL BE FOR EQUITY, WHICH ARE, WHICH WE ARE WORKING ON WITH THE OFFICE OF EQUITY INCLUSION BASED OFF DALLAS'S CULTURAL PLAN AND THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN.

SLIDE SIX BRIEFLY.

THIS IS THE EQUITY IMPACT, UM, MAP.

SO WHAT IT IS, IS THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT SCORE.

IT'S UP TO FIVE POINTS.

SO THIS MAP SHOWING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS OR HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY UNDERPRIVILEGED COMMUNITIES OR LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS, OR WHO HAVE LA WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS TO.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE'S STILL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO NOT HAVE RUNNING WATER.

IN DALLAS, THE OFFICE OF EQUITY INCLUSION WORK WITH PUBLIC WORKS, WORK WITH TRANSPORTATION AND THE OFFICE OF PRODUCT CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT TO MAKE THIS MAP AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE AND TO TARGET STRATEGICALLY WITH THE BOND EQUITY.

UM, THIS SCORING.

SO THIS, UH, THE ENTIRE CITY IS GIVING A, A RANKING BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE, AND THEN THAT SCORE IS MULTIPLIED BY TWO OR 10 EQUITY GROUPS.

GOING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, SLIDE SEVEN AND EIGHT I FIND VERY FASCINATING AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT BOTH SLIDES AS I TALK ABOUT THEM.

SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THE DALLAS CULTURAL PLAN, UH, STRATEGY NUMBER 20 UNDER SUSTAINABLE ARTS ECOSYSTEM, UM, STATED THE FOLLOWING,

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THE CITY WILL SUSTAINABLY FUND DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND PROACTIVE FUND, SORRY, SUSTAINABLY FUND DEFERRED AND PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE FOR CITY-OWNED CULTURAL FACILITIES.

TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, OUR ANNUAL CULTURAL FACILITY MAINTENANCE ALLOCATION IS APPROXIMATELY A MILLION DOLLARS.

THE APPRAISAL VALUE OF OUR 19 CULTURAL FACILITIES IS $535 MILLION.

I'LL JUST LET THAT SIT IN FOR A SECOND.

FROM 1998 TO 2017, THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE THROUGH, UH, THE FIVE, THE LAST FIVE BOND PROGRAMS RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 114 MILLION.

WHAT I DID IS I CALCULATED THAT 114 MILLION IN 1995 IS APPROXIMATELY ALMOST 200 MILLION BY 2020 $2.

SO YOU CAN STILL SEE IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPRAISAL VALUE OF OUR FACILITIES VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN THE BOND PROGRAM, THAT IT IS MINUSCULE.

AND SO THE AVERAGE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN THESE LAST FIVE BOND PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN, HAVE BEEN BETWEEN ONE AND A HALF PERCENT, 5%.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE RED LINE, IT SAYS ZERO.

MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT BY AND LARGE BOND PROGRAMS ARE USED TO FUND DEFERRED PAYMENTS, BUT WE ALSO DO CONSTRUCT NEW FACILITIES.

SO IN 2003 AND SIX, UM, APPROXIMATELY, UH, COMBINED TOTAL OF 65 MILLION WAS SET ASIDE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH INCLUDED THE MOODY PER BACK THEN CITY PERFORMANCE HALL.

NOW THE MOODY PERFORMANCE HALL AND THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION TO THE AT T PERFORMING ARTS CENTER.

UM, AND WE'LL TURN TO SLIDE NUMBER NINE.

I THINK IT'S VERY EXCITING.

UM, AS PART OF THE BOND PROCESS, WE ARE A PUBLIC ENTITY AND ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR RESIDENTS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

SO, UH, THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAVE APPOINTED, UH, COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE.

THE MEMBERS ARE HERE.

UM, THE CHAIR OF THE MAIN, UH, THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE IS ARVAL, WHO'S ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD.

AND WE O O A C ALONG WITH LIBRARIES, UH, POLICE AND FIRE AND CITY FACILITIES, UM, FALL UNDER WHAT'S CALLED UH, THE CRITICAL FACILITY SUBCOMMITTEE.

THE CHAIR IS JEN, JENNIFER SAK GATES, WHO IS FORMERLY, UM, A COUNCIL MEMBER FOR DISTRICT 13.

AND I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL, UH, VERY STRONG ARTS SUPPORTERS ON OUR CRITICAL SUBCOMMITTEE, INCLUDING ELNER, OGAR AND BRU.

BRUCE ALLEN RICHARDSON.

AND THEN IT WILL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

TO ME, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHERE I FEEL THAT WE ARE MOVING IN A POSITIVE FORCE AS FOR ARTS AND CULTURE.

SO THIS SLIDE MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO READ AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST COLUMN IS, WHAT IS THE OVERALL NEEDS INVENTORY? THAT IS WHAT EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE HAS SUBMITTED AS TO WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT OUR FACILITIES NEED IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

THE SECOND COLUMN WAS BACK IN NOVEMBER, CITY COUNCIL WAS INITIALLY BRIEFED ON THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM.

AND THAT WAS A FIGURE THAT THEY HAD FOR CULTURAL FACILITIES AT 15 MILLION.

I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU AND OUR EXTERNAL PARTNERS AND ALSO INTERNALLY WORKING WITH THE BOND OFFICE AND BUILDING SERVICES TO IDENTIFY THE IMPORTANCE OF CULTURAL FACILITIES.

AND NOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO OUR CITY COUNCIL YESTERDAY WAS THAT WE, THAT OUR ALLOCATION INCREASED TO A TOTAL OF $40 MILLION.

SO, AND SO FOR NEXT STEPS, UM, WE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ASKED BY CHAIRMAN, UM, ADAM BA, ADAM BA WILL DO IT TO GIVE A PRESENTATION SOLELY ON, UH, CULTURAL FACILITIES NEEDS.

UM, ON JUNE, ON JUNE 12TH, 2023.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO, IF YOU CAN BE THERE IN PERSON, IT'S AT 9:00 AM IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A SERIES OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.

THERE WILL BE ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS FROM THE BOND COMMUNITY TASK FORCE, BUT I ALSO FEEL THAT'S IMPORTANT SINCE WE HAVE 19 FACILITIES THAT WE ENGAGE OUR PARTNERS THAT USE THESE FACILITIES AS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

AND REMEMBER, ENGAGEMENT IS ONE OF OUR FIVE VALUES OF THE CITY.

AND THEN LASTLY, MARTINA AND I WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE CRITICAL FACILITY SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE ON THURSDAY, AUGUST 15TH, 2023.

AND WE HOPE THAT YOU CAN BE HERE.

AND THAT IS MY BRIEF OKAY.

PERMISSION.

DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS MR. MEL? YES.

THANK YOU.

OF THE NEED INVENTORY ON PAGE 10, 120 MILLION 8 37.

IS THERE ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION? NO NEW CONSTRUCTION.

OKAY.

THE 40 MILLION, IF I MAY

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MY POINT, UM, WE WERE ASKED BY OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OF ROBERT BEDES THAT MOST CRITICAL FACILITIES, UM, LIBRARIES OURSELVES, UNLESS IT'S IN DIRE, NEED TO NOT BUILD NEW BUILDINGS.

CAUSE THE CITY CANNOT SUSTAIN THE NUMBER OF BUILDINGS THAT IT HAS.

SORRY.

SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, IF WE'RE ALL ABOUT EQUITY AND O C THREE IS IN A STRIP CENTER, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OWNED BY THE CITY, WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE BUILT AS ITS OWN OAK CLIFF AS ITS OWN CULTURAL CENTER TO FALL IN LINE WITH THE OTHERS CULTURAL CENTERS? UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE A LI WE HAVE A LIST OF THE NEEDS I INVENTORY FOR EACH CULTURAL FACILITY THAT, UM, BIGGER HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

I, AS THIS, AS THIS BODY HAS EXPRESSED SEVERAL TIMES FOR US TO HAVE THE NEED OF FOR ACCURATE FIGURES.

SO I WILL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE FIGURES ONCE WE RECEIVE THEM BACK FROM THE OFFICE OF BOND CONSTRUCTION AND MANAGEMENT.

REGARDING, UM, EACH FACILITY, OAK CLIFF CULTURAL CENTER IS A SMALLER STOREFRONT FACILITY AS YOU POINTED OUT.

UM, I BELIEVE I WAS ON THE EMAIL CHAIN WITH YOU AND AT THIS POINT IT IS A BIT, UM, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT LATE IN THE GAME TO TRY TO, UM, ADDED TO THE NEEDS INVENTORY, A LARGER FACILITY OR SPACE FOR THE CLIFF CULTURAL CENTER.

SO THEN WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN? WE ADD IT TO THE 2 20 28 NEEDS INVENTORY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, I'M GONNA ASK THAT IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR EVERYBODY TO HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS, LET'S LIMIT OUR COMMENTS AS WE GO AROUND THE FIRST TIME SO EVERYONE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I'D LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT.

AS A PERSON IN PLEASANT GROVE, I PROBABLY USE THE O C THREE MORE THAN I USE ANY OTHER FACILITIES.

SO IT'S NOT JUST OAKLAND THAT HIS DISTRICT HAS BENEFITING FROM CHAIR HOW PERFORM THERE AND HAVE THE, THE ARMS THAT I SUPPORT THERE ALMOST AS MUCH AS THE LCC, IF NOT MORE.

I FEEL LIKE JUST WANNA SUPPORT.

OKAY.

LOUIS AND ANNE MARIE HELP ME MONITOR ON THE TABLE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON WHERE WE ARE NOW? WE JUST HAVE A REALLY EASY QUICKBOOK.

WHAT TIME IS THAT? UH, PRESENTATION OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE ON JUNE 12TH, NINE EIGHT.

AND IT WILL BE BROUGHT AS SLIDE AS LONG AS WHERE IT HAS LONG PASSED.

YEAH, AUGUST 15TH AS WELL.

IS THERE A TIME FOR THAT ONE? OH, THE AUGUST 15TH IS, I BELIEVE IS AT 6:30 PM BUT WE'LL GET THAT OUT AS ONE OF THE HANDOUTS THAT WE'LL BE SENDING OUT THIS FRIDAY IS, UM, THE 2024 COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, UM, BROCHURE.

SO LET ME PUT THAT ON THE TO-DO LIST BEFORE I FORGET.

OKAY.

LOUIS, WHICH DIRECTION YOU WANT ME TO GO TO? ACKNOWLEDGE HANDS? UH, COMMISSIONER .

THAT'S ZILLOW.

HI.

YEAH, SO I HAVE UM, A QUESTION ON SLIDE SIX.

WHAT DO THE COLORS, UM, ON THE MAP INDICATE? THE COLORS ON THE MAP? UM, DEPENDING ON THE, THE DARKER COLORS I BELIEVE IS WHERE THERE ARE LESS CITY SERVICES.

SO AGAIN, IT'S A MAP THAT WAS DEVELOPED WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN A LACK OF CITY SERVICES.

I CAN GET YOU THE PRECISE COLOR NUMBERS.

THIS MAP WAS DEVELOPED BY, AS I SAID, THE OFFICE OF BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT WITH THE OFFICE OF EQUITY INCLUSION.

ALSO WORKING WITH UM, DATA BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE INTELLIGENCE.

YEAH, BECAUSE IT SHOWS DISTRICT 12 IS BEING ALL WHITE ALMOST AND WE HARDLY HAVE ANY CITY SERVICES.

WE'RE ONE OF THE LAST DISTRICTS TO BE FORMED.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS.

I WILL GET BACK TO YOU.

I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AT THE LONG AT THE LAST BOND BRIEFING, UM, AT THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION, WHICH I'LL BE HAPPY TO INVITE FOR THE NEXT BOND BRIEFING.

CAN EXPLAIN THE MAP MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.

NEXT.

NEXT QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER WEINSTEIN QUESTION WAS ANSWERED.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE HAD HIS HAND UP NEXT.

I WAS ACTUALLY JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE UM, THE NEXT PHASE FOR THE MOODY, CUZ I KNOW THERE WAS SOME STUFF PLANNED BACK WAY BACK WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

UM, AND IT INCLUDED SOME FACILITIES THAT WERE SMALLER THAT MIGHT WORK BETTER FOR SOME OF OUR SMALLER GROUPS.

IS THERE ANY KIND OF UPDATE ON, I THINK RUSSELL DYER CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION BETTER THAN I CAN, BUT I THINK THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN EARLY DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

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WAIT TILL THE ANSWER THAT CUZ IT WAS, THAT WAS FROM THE 2006 PO.

SURE.

I'M RUSSELL ER, I'M THE SENIOR MANAGER OF CULTURAL VENUES FOR THOSE.

IF YOU ABOUT ME AND I'LL BE BACK UP HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE MONEY PERFORMANCE HALL, UH, THE, AS WE KNOW THE INITIAL DESIGN WAS THERE WAS A FULL BUILD OUT THAT INCLUDED TWO BLACK BOX THEATERS ON ONE SIDE AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE WAS SOME ANCILLARY SPACES, DANCE STUDIOS, UH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, SO IN THE INITIAL, WHEN THAT INITIAL PROJECTION CAME BACK IN 2006, 2008, IT WAS AROUND 84 MILLION GE HAD TO HAPPEN.

VALUE ENGINEERING CUT IN HALF.

BASICALLY IT WAS DECIDED TO GO WITH THE MAIN HALL.

SO SINCE THAT TIME THERE'S BEEN NO FURTHER DESIGN OF THOSE.

SO YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT A SORT OF INITIAL DESIGN SCAPE.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE PHASE, WE CALL IT PHASE TWO, WHICH WE STILL ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT.

BUT AGAIN, UM, SORT OF REFERENCING WHAT BENJAMIN WAS ALLUDING TO BEFORE, FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BOND PACKAGE IS COMING UP, UH, NEW BUILDINGS ARE NOT THE PRIORITY.

THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE A NEW BUILD, BUT, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO LOOK AT PUTTING THAT IN FUTURE BONDS.

SO IT'S STILL KIND OF ON THE, ON THE, THE PLATE FOR INSTANCE IS FOR YES.

SO I MEAN MUCH LIKE I, I THINK I COULD RELATE IT VERY EASILY TO THE LATINO CULTURAL CENTER AND THE BLACK BOX THEATER THAT WAS BUILT, THAT WAS A TWO PHASE APPROACH AS WELL.

SO THE LATINO CULTURAL CENTER AND IT WAS HOW LONG BEFORE THE BLACK BOX WAS? 12? 18 YEARS.

18 YEARS.

WE'VE HAD OUR 10 YEAR ANNIVERSARY, SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE ACTUALLY.

SO I JUST THINK HAVING FACILITIES THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT ARE, THAT WORK WELL FOR SMALLER GROUPS.

CUZ THE MOODY IS CERTAINLY SMALLER THAN THE MYERSON, BUT IT'S STILL WAY TOO LARGE FOR SOME GROUPS THAT, THAT DON'T NEED THAT EVEN THAT BIG OF A SPACE AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ABSOLUTELY THAT WORKS FOR THAT SIZE GROUP.

AND WITH THE EQUITY, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING THOSE SMALLER GROUPS AND INTO IT AND IF, IF THE CITY OWNS SOME FACILITIES THAT WOULD BE USABLE FOR THEM, IT'D BE NICE.

SO JUST HOPEFULLY WE, WE KEEP THAT ON OUR PLATE.

FUTURE BONDS MENTION OUR ARTICLE.

I'M SORRY, IN TERMS OF A LIST OF PRIORITIES, HAVE THAT, HAS THAT BEEN CREATED? WE ARE.

SO WHAT'S NUMBER ONE? UM, NO GOING.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT.

UM, UM, THE OFFICE OF BOND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT, JUST BRIEF CITY COUNCIL AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT SHOULD BE THE TOP PRIORITY FOR TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR EQUITY CRITERIA.

IT'S THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT MATH, AND THEN EACH DEPARTMENT DEVELOPS, DEVELOPS ITS OWN EQUITY CRITERIA.

UM, GOING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION RIGHT NOW, THE CONSENSUS IS THAT OBVIOUSLY SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, UM, THE AGE OF THE BUILDING REALLY IS PROBABLY THE TOP PRIORITY, UM, UNDER MAJOR.

SO IT DEPENDS HOW OLD THE BUILDING IS AND IF THAT HAS LEAKING IN IT.

RIGHT NOW.

FOR INSTANCE, THE KLE HUMPHREYS WAS BUILT IN 1959 AND THE LAST TIME THE CITY PUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OF, UH, DOLLARS OR BOND MONEY UNTIL IT WAS 1989.

SO IT'S BEEN 35 YEARS SINCE THE KLE HAS ACTUALLY HAD ANY, ANY SORT OF MAJOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE TO IT MEANS.

AND THE CONDITION OF THE OAK CLIFF CULTURAL CENTER, THE CONDITION OF THE OAK CLIFF CULTURAL CENTER IS CONSIDERED A RELATIVELY NEW BUILD, WHICH WOULD BE FIVE TO 10 YEARS.

IT WAS REFURBISHED IN 2009.

SO THAT'S CONDITION TWO AND THE R SQUIGGLY LINES ON THE MAP.

YES.

WHICH RED SQUIGGLY I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO THE, STILL NEEDS TO BE I WILL, I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU.

HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? WE GO , JUST NO PERMISSION, RIGHT? WHEN YOU SEND US THE MAP, COULD YOU SEND US A BIGGER, LIKE A WHOLE PAGE? BE HAPPY TO, I'M SURPRISED THAT ALL OF YOU GUYS CAN SEE THIS.

I CAN'T TELL WHERE THE DISTRICT ARE SO WE CAN HAVE A, A GOOD SIZE ONE.

IS THAT YOUR COMMENT? THAT'S IT.

SO, UM, OH, HAS JOE ASKED A QUESTION YET? I, OKAY.

UM, SO O C THREE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A NEW BUILD AS AN IDEA, BUT IT'S THE OLD PERMIT OFFICE ON JEFFERSON, SO MAYBE THAT COULD GO UNDER THE RADAR.

UM, 120 MILLION AGAIN, THE NEEDS INVENTORY.

CAN WE GET A LIST OF THAT? YES.

ONCE AGAIN I, FOR THE SAKE OF ACCURACY MM-HMM.

, WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS BODY THAT WE WANT TO HAVE ACCURATE FIGURES.

WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR ESTIMATES.

SO FOR OAC FACILITIES, WE, WE WORKED WITH BUILDING SERVICES TO COME UP WITH ESTIMATES FOR OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

OUR PARTNER MANAGED FACILITIES FROM THE DALLAS MUSEUM OF TO DALLAS BLACK DANCE AND THE HISTORIC MORE THAN Y M C

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A, THEY WENT WITH THIRD PARTY VENDORS.

SO MEANWHILE, I HATE TO MAKE IT SOUND SO SIMPLE, BUT THE BOND OFFICE IS SCRUBBING THE FIGURES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACCURATE AND ALSO, UM, INCLUDE, TO BE HONEST, A COST ESCALATION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE PROJECTS WON'T GO INTO PRO INTO CONSTRUCTION UNTIL PROBABLY 2026.

SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD HOW Y'ALL CAME UP WITH THIS NUMBER.

UH, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE THE FIGURES TO THE BOND OFFICE AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE AS SOON AS THEY GET THE BOND OFFICE HAS FINISHED LOOKING AT THE FIGURES.

OKAY.

OH, THERE OTHER QUESTION.

ANYBODY ELSE YOU WANNA TELL US BENJAMIN? NO, THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS ADVOCATED BECAUSE JUMPING FROM 15 MILLION TO $40 MILLION.

YES, I THINK GREAT.

AND THEY'RE MAYBE, I KNOW THAT THE FACILITIES WOULD DEFINITELY USE THE PATIENTS.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

RUSSELL D ARE YOU READY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE SUMMER KIDS? YOU BROTHER? I TOLD YOU I'D BE BACK.

UM, OKAY.

HELLO EVERYBODY.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE 30 SECONDS.

UM, KNOW THE ROOM'S QUIET, SO I'LL BE A LITTLE LAUGH.

I TO KNOW YOU LIKE 30 SECONDS BECAUSE THE LAST MEETING, AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING, YOU ALL WERE VERY KIND AND, UM, HAD SOME KIND WORDS TO SAY ABOUT ME AND THE COMMUNITY ARTS DIVISION.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.

IN ADDITION, I WANTED TO SAY I WORK WITH TWO LADIES WHO ARE, UM, REALLY, REALLY AWESOME, BUT THEY'RE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES, BUT I WANNA RECOGNIZE THEM ANYWAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE WATCHING ELIZABETH SIERRA ST.

LEON AND JILLIAN GTA.

THEY MAKE MY JOB SO MUCH, SO MUCH EASIER.

SO WHEN YOU GIVE ACCOLADES TO THE, UM, COMMUNITY ARTS DIVISION, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW IT'S NOT JUST RONDA.

WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WORK AND THEY HAVE HELPED YOU IN THE PAST.

I KNOW YOU'VE TALKED TO THEM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S MY LITTLE LET'S GET TO BUSINESS .

EXCELLENT.

SO WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT, UM, SOME OF THE SUMMER PROGRAMMING THAT WE'VE GOT AND, UH, I'LL START OFF WITH THE SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMMING AT THE CULTURAL CENTERS, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE OVER FROM SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ARTS.

SO, UM, STARTING ON THE FIRST SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE AT THE SOUTH DALLAS CULTURAL CENTER, THEY'VE, UH, ARE WORKING IN THEIR SECOND YEAR WITH, UH, RAISE YOUR VOICE, UH, DOING SUMMER CAMPS THERE, UM, JUNE 5TH THROUGH THE 30TH.

AND THEN THESE CAMPS ARE, UH, AGAIN FROM 9:00 AM TO 4:00 PM SERVING, UH, STUDENTS IN AN AGE RANGE OF, UH, EIGHT YEARS OLD, 15 YEARS OLD.

THEN YOU CAN SEE THAT THEIR, OBVIOUSLY THEIR CURRICULUM IS VISUAL PERFORMING ARTS WITH A FOCUS ON THE AFRICAN DIASPORA.

AND, UM, YOU'LL, THESE ARE THE, THE SAME STUDENTS IN THE SAME CAMPERS THAT GO THROUGH THIS SAME FOR THIS ENTIRE, UH, LENGTH OF THE CAMP.

UH, AND LET'S SEE, LAST YEAR THEY HAD, UH, MAXED ABOUT A 40 AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MAX THAT AMOUNT OF STUDENTS.

THIS YEAR THEY'RE GONNA BE 50 AND EXPECT TO BE MAXED ON THAT AS WELL.

SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S A GREAT, UH, PROGRAM.

WE'LL MOVE ON.

ALSO, SOUTH DALLAS IS THE, THE GENERAL MANAGER THERE IS JOHN RIGGINS WHO'S DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB.

AND THEN ALSO, UM, BUSY WITH, UH, WANTING CRAFT HOUSE AS WELL.

MOVING ON TO THE OAK CLIFF CULTURAL CENTER WHERE RAFAEL TOMORROW IS THE GENERAL MANAGER OVER THERE.

UM, ONCE AGAIN, SCHOOL OF YES, WITH CONNO AT THE OTHER COMPANY, UH, IS DOING THEIR SUMMER CAMP OVER THERE, OBVIOUSLY, SAY JUNE 15TH.

JULY 14.

UM, AGAIN, ANOTHER FOUR WEEK LONG PROGRAM, AGES SEVEN TO 18 OVER HERE.

THEY, THEY SPLIT IT UP A LITTLE BIT.

SO THE AGE, UM, THEY SORT OF SPLIT IT IN, IN, THEY'VE GOT SEVEN TO 10, THEY'VE GOT 25 KIDS.

WHEN WE GET TO THE 11 TO 14 YEAR OLDS, THEY'VE GOT ANOTHER 25 KIDS.

AND THEN, UH, THE 15 TO 18 YEAR OLDS ARE, HAVE MORE OF A, THEY'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT ON TOP OF THE CURRICULUM THAT ALL THE OTHER KIDS ARE DOING.

THEY ALSO HAVE ADDED A LITTLE BIT OF A LEADERSHIP AND ALSO A FILM PHOTOGRAPHY ELEMENT TO THAT SO THAT, THAT GIVES THOSE, UH, THE SORT OF TEENAGERS A LITTLE BIT, UH, OF A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN THE REST OF THE KIDS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S, UH, IN MUSIC, DANCE, THEATER, VISUAL ARTS.

UM, AND THEN AS I TOUCHED ON, UH, FILM PHOTOGRAPHY AND THEN THERE IS A, A CULMINATING EVENT IN THE GALLERY THERE.

WELL MOVE ON TO THE BATHHOUSE

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CULTURAL CENTER.

JESSICA ZOS, THE GENERAL MANAGER OVER THERE.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE OUT LOUD.

DALLAS IS GONNA BE THE ONE OF THEIR CAMP PROVIDERS THEY'RE USING.

THEY'RE IN THEIR SECOND YEAR OF DOING CAMPS AT THE BATHHOUSE.

UM, JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, ALL OF OUR CAMPS, THEY DID RETURN, THIS WILL BE THE SECOND SUMMER.

SO WE DID HAVE SUMMER CAMPS LAST YEAR.

OBVIOUSLY BEFORE THAT, UH, PANDEMIC HAD HAD CLOSED THE CAMPS DOWN.

SO, UH, THIS IS A THREE WEEK PROGRAM, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, NINE TO FIVE.

UH, THIS WILL BE ABOUT 18 TO 20 KIDS.

AND AGAIN, SAME KIDS THROUGH THE WHOLE PROGRAM.

YOU HAVE CLASSES THAT ARE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF EACH, MULTIDISCIPLINARY SORT OF ALL OVER THE BUILDING, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE BATHHOUSE AT ALL.

SO THERE'S THE THEATER AND THE GALLERIES AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'LL, THEY'LL, THEY MAKE USE OF THE ENTIRE SPACE AND THEY, AND AGAIN, THEY HAVE A, A CULMINATING EVENT ON JUNE 30TH.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE LATINO CULTURAL CENTER.

SO, UH, OUT, YOU'LL NOTICE OUT LOUD DALLAS THERE IS IS THERE TOO, BUT THESE ARE DIFFERENT DATES.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN TWO CAMPS AT ONCE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST THE TWO OF OUR CENTERS.

THIS IS JULY 10TH THROUGH THE 28TH OVER AT THE LCC.

AND UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, ANOTHER, THE THREE WEEK CAMP MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, NINE FIVE.

AND THIS IS GONNA BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE WHERE IT'S ABOUT 1820 KIDS, UM, FOCUSING STUDENTS.

1114, AGAIN MULTIFACETED.

SO YOU'RE DEALING WITH DANCE, VISUAL ART, MUSIC, UM, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE VIDEO INSTALLATION.

AND THEN THAT WILL CONCLUDE WITH A, UH, A PERFORMANCE AND, AND EXHIBIT AND OUT LOUD DALLAS, WHICH IS RUNNING THESE COUPLE THINGS IS A, IS A LOCAL NONPROFIT ORG ORGANIZATION.

IT'S ABOUT FOUR YEARS OLD, BUT WE'VE BEEN HAPPY TO GO.

WE, I WE CAN PAUSE THERE I GUESS IF YOU'D LIKE TO, FOR IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FOR CULTURAL CENTER SUMMER CAMPS AND THEN, UH, TWO, I SEE ON ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE FOOD TRUCK THERE, DO WE PROVIDE FOOD OR THE, THE KIDDOS? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

UH, ALL THE CAMPS ARE, THEY DO HAVE, UH, FREE FOOD AND SNACKS, SO, AND FREE ADMISSIONS.

SO I ACTUALLY SHOULD HAVE TOUCHED ON THAT, BUT PROVIDED I KNOW SOMETIMES THAT LCC ALSO DOES SCHOOL OF YES.

AS THE SCHOOL OF YES.

NOT, UM, BEING, UM, UH, AT THE LCC.

UH, I DON'T, I ACTUALLY, I CAN PROBABLY HAVE, LET'S SEE IF, UM, HIDO, ARE YOU ON? YES.

HELLO EVERYBODY, THIS IS GERALDO ROBLES.

UH, YES.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, HIDO, HIDO, I APOLOGIZE.

I PARLIAMENTARY, UM, HAVE TO TURN YOUR VIDEO ON IN ORDER TO SPEAK.

SORRY.

FORGIVE ME.

UM, OKAY.

LEMME SEE IF YOU SEE ME.

THERE WE GO.

HEY, EVERYBODY.

UH, YEAH.

SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, FIRST I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS HORNBUCKLE QUESTION ABOUT THE LUNCH.

UH, THAT ACTUALLY THAT FOOD TRUCK LOOKING THING, ACTUALLY A, UH, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT'S OPERATED BY FORD.

THEY ACTUALLY CAME BY TO VISIT OUR CHILDREN AND GAVE OUT GOODIE BAGS AND INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR OFFERING AND PROGRAMS THAT THEY DO WITH THE YOUTH.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE PIECE I DID LEAVE OUT IN THE DESCRIPTION IS THAT WE INVITE, UH, LOCAL, UH, UH, ORGANIZATIONS, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE WORKED WITH THE CULTURAL CENTER THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UH, TO HAVE A CHANCE TO GET INVOLVED WITH, WITH OUR SUMMER CAMPS AS WELL.

UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, SCHOOL OF YES, RAIA, UH, HISTORY WITH THAT, I BELIEVE IN THE PAST, AND THIS IS BEFORE MY TIME, SO IT'D PROBABLY BE BETTER ADDRESSED BY BENJAMIN, BUT IF I'M CORRECT, UM, THE CAMPS WOULD USUALLY COINCIDE AROUND THE SAME TIMEFRAME.

UM, AND, AND MOST OF THE RESOURCES, UH, IF YOU RUN SCHOOL OF YES, IT'S A LOT OF FUNDING.

UM, SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, IT'S, IT, IT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE CUZ WE DO FRONT MOST OF THAT FUNDING OURSELVES, I BELIEVE KIND OF MEAN IN THE PAST, IF I'M CORRECT, WOULD REACH OUT TO OTHER, UM, ORGANIZATIONS FOR, FOR SUPPORT AND FUNDING.

UM, SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE REASONS.

AND THEN TWO, I BELIEVE, UM, UH, THE, THE PREVIOUS COORDINATOR THERE WANTED TO PURSUE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IN TERMS OF, UH, CAMP OFFERINGS, JUST TO FOCUS MORE ON A, ON A SMALLER NUMBER OF CHILDREN, OFFER BETTER, UH, ANOTHER, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, UH, QUALITY OR QUANTITY.

NOT SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THAT EITHER WITH, WITH SCHOOLS OF YES.

BUT, UH, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT APPROACH WITH A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.

OKAY.

CHAIRWOMAN, YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER GLOVER, COMMISSIONER ELLA, I WANT TO SPEAK.

COMMISSIONER GLOBA.

YES.

THANK YOU.

I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WHERE DO, UM, THE INSTRUCTORS,

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THE PE, THE INSTRUCTORS AND TEACHERS, UH, WHERE, WHERE DO THEY COME FROM? SO AGAIN, MOST OF THESE CAMPS ARE THAT THOSE ARE BEING PROVIDED THROUGH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.

SO, UM, I, THEY'RE USUALLY GETTING THEM IN LOCAL SCHOOLS, THEIR SUMMER WORK.

UM, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, UH, JOHN OR GERARDO OR ONE OF THE MANAGERS ON MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL OF ANY OF THE PARTICULAR INSTRUCTURES YOU ARE WORKING WITH.

BUT, BUT MOST OF INSTRUCTORS ARE COMING FROM, UM, FROM EDUCATIONAL AREAS IN OUR, IN OUR CITY.

THAT'S JEFFREY MOFFITT, I TAKE ONE.

HEY, JEFFREY MOFFITT RUNS OUT LOUD.

JOHN, I SEE THAT YOU'RE ON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT.

OH, YOU'RE ON MUTE OR WE CAN'T HEAR? UH, I COULD CHIME IN IF YOU NEED ME TO, RUSSELL SURE.

GO RIGHT UP.

SO, YEAH, SO AGAIN, TO HELP ANSWER THE QUESTION, AND SORRY JOHN, I SAW YOUR, YOU POP UP, UH, AT LEAST FROM, UH, MY PAST HISTORY, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH DO WORK WITH LOCAL ARTISTS.

UM, AGAIN, TAKING IT BACK TO THE, TO THE SCHOOL IF YES.

QUESTIONS.

SO RUN TWO CAMPS AT SAME TIME REQUIRES, UH, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF, UH, TEACHERS, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, SHERRY, UM, SOME OF THE TEACHERS GOING OFF INTO ANOTHER CAMP OR SO, UH, BUT MOST OF THEM ARE LOCAL ARTISTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THEM DO HAVE HISTORIES WORKING EITHER THROUGH OUR OWN ARTS ACTIVATE PRO, UH, PROJECTS THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE PAST, UH, THROUGH ALSO WORKING THROUGH THE CULTURE CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

UH, BUT I'LL LET JOHN ADD ON IF HE'D LIKE TO ADD ON TO ANYTHING.

SORRY, JOHN, I THINK WE'VE YOUR AUDIO FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER'S NOT WORKING.

DID THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION, COMMISSIONER? SO JILL, IS YOUR HAND UP? YES.

YES.

UM, UH, I KNOW I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT I WOULDN'T BE DOING MY DISTRICT SERVICE IF I DID NOT MENTION THIS.

UM, WHILE I COMMEND THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE FOR THESE KIDDOS IN OUR CULTURAL CENTERS, KEEP IN MIND IN DISTRICT 12, IT WOULD TAKE ME OVER AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES TO GET TO ANY ONE OF THESE CULTURAL CENTERS IN THE MORNING.

UM, AND THAT'S BY CAR.

I HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT MAPPED THIS OUT BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

MY GUESS IS IT WOULD TAKE TWO TO THREE HOURS TO GET THERE BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

UM, DISTRICT 12 IS THE ONLY DISTRICT WITH RESIDENTS WHO LIVE OUTSIDE DALLAS COUNTY.

OUR DISTRICT HAS THE SECOND MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND IS TIED FOR THE HIGHEST DIVERSITY SCORES FOR RACIAL AND ETHNIC MAKEUP OF OUR POPULATION.

UM, THAT IS FAR, FAR, FAR NORTH DALLAS.

AND I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S EASY TO FORGET THAT, UM, THAT NORTH DALLAS IS UP HERE.

BUT WE HAVE NO D I S D STUDENTS.

ALL OF OUR, ALL OF OUR KIDDOS GO TO RICHARDSON, FARMER'S BRANCH, CARROLLTON AND PLANO.

UM, AND WE HAVE NO CULTURAL CENTERS.

AGAIN, IT WOULD TAKE ME OVER AN HOUR TO GET THERE.

I WOULD LOVE, LOVE, LOVE TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT SOME PROGRAM IN PLACE WHERE WE ACTUALLY BUS STUDENTS IN.

UM, SOME OF OUR, SOME OF OUR KIDDOS CAN'T AFFORD TO, TO, TO TAKE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO GET ALL THE WAY THERE.

UM, SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FOR NEXT YEAR.

UM, BUT I SAY THIS EVERY SINGLE YEAR AND I KNOW JESSE, GOD LOVE YA.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE, WITH THE REC CENTERS.

HOPEFULLY THAT WILL TAKE OFF AND WE CAN BRING, BRING ARTS AND CULTURE TO DISTRICT 12.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF COMMENT? SO I'LL TURN IT OVER NOW TO RHONDA WITH COMMUNITY ARTS AT SUMMER RESIDENCIES.

AND I CERTAINLY KNOW IT'S NOT IN NO WAY SOLVED FOR DISTRICT 12, BUT THERE IS SOME PROGRAMING HERE, SO I'LL TURN IT IN.

OKAY.

YEAH.

HELLO AGAIN EVERYONE.

SO, UM, I'M REALLY EXCITED THAT THIS IS OUR THIRD YEAR DOING THE, UH, NONPROFIT SUMMER RESIDENCIES, UM, FOR, YOU KNOW, THE ORGANIZATIONS, KINDA OUR INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS IN A MINUTE.

BUT, UM, THIS YEAR, AND I MAY BE A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT, BUT I'M GONNA JUST REPEAT SOME OF THIS INFORMATION.

UM, EVERY YEAR WE SELECT FIVE ORGANIZATIONS SO THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE TWO EIGHT WEEK RESIDENCY PROGRAMS IN THE 10 DISTRICTS OF THE CITY THAT DON'T HAVE A CULTURAL CENTER.

UM, THIS YEAR THE

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TOP FIVE ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDE AN COMPANY FOR DISTRICTS 10 AND 11 PRISM MOVEMENT THEATER DISTRICTS 12 AND 13 SWAN STRINGS, DISTRICTS FOUR AND FIVE, THE TERRANCE JOHNSON DANCE PROJECT FOR DISTRICTS TWO AND EIGHT.

AND THEN THE MAJOR ARTS COLLECTIVE FOR DISTRICTS THREE AND SIX.

UM, YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR CHART THE TYPES OF RESIDENCIES THAT THEY WILL BE PRESENTING, THE CURRICULUM THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED.

AND SO, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER ILLA, THEY WILL BE IN DISTRICT 12, UH, PRISON MOVEMENT WILL BE.

AND SO THEY WILL HAVE THAT PUB PUPPETRY WORKSHOP THERE FOR, UH, THOSE DISTRICTS.

THOSE TWO DISTRICTS, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE THE SAME CURRICULUM FOR BOTH DISTRICTS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE REDUNDANT.

SO, UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? OH, BEFORE YOU ASK QUESTIONS, I ACTUALLY HAVE, THE LOCATIONS ARE BEING CONFIRMED RIGHT NOW THAT I DID NOT INCLUDE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL BEING CONFIRMED.

BUT ONCE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE CONFIRMED, I'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION SO THAT YOU CAN KNOW WHERE THESE WORKSHOPS WILL TAKE PLACE.

UM, AND THEN, UH, BEFORE YOU ASK THE QUESTION, I THINK I HAVE INTRODUCED EVERYONE TO THEIR, UM, ARTIST.

I SENT EMAIL INTRODUCTIONS, UH, CONNECTING YOU WITH THE ARTISTS THAT WILL BE WORKING IN YOUR DISTRICTS.

IF YOU HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT EMAIL, PLEASE LET ME KNOW AND I'LL MAKE SURE I RESEND IT FOR YOU.

OKAY.

I CAN PAUSE THE PURPOSE.

WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE HAVING DATES AND TIMES FOR ALL OF THOSE? YES.

WE SHOULD HAVE DATES AND TIMES BY THE BEGINNING OF JUNE.

OKAY.

UM, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THEIR CONTRACTS RIGHT NOW, SO THINGS ARE STILL UP IN THE AIR, BUT BY THE BEGINNING OF JUNE, WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THE DATES AND TIMES AND SCHEDULES AND EVERYTHING SET UP.

I'M ASSUMING WE'LL GET THOSE WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

ABSOLUTELY, YES.

AS SOON AS I GET IN, YOU'LL HELP SEE.

THANK YOU.

CAUSE I'M GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THERE'S, THERE'S SOME RESIDENCIES THAT ARE HAPPENING AT RECREATION CENTERS.

YES.

YES.

THESE FOLKS.

AND THIS, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS SOMETIMES I GET CALLS ABOUT LIKE, CAN YOU HELP THEM FIND A LOCATION? SO THESE DO NOT HAVE A LOCATION.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THIS DISTRICT, BUT THEY'RE NOT A SPECIFIC LOCATION JUST YET.

CORRECT.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A LOCATION? WELL, YES AND NO.

SO ALL OF THEM DON'T HAVE THE LOCATION.

SOME OF THEM DO.

AND INSTEAD OF PIECEMEALING YOU AND GIVING YOU JUST A FEW, I'M WAITING TO GATHER ALL OF THEM AND GIVE THEM TO EVERYONE.

NOW THE ONES FOR YOUR DISTRICT, I KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE.

UM, IT'S GONNA BE SWAN STRINGS AND SHE'S GONNA BE AT THE PLEASANT GROVE LIBRARY.

YEAH.

LIBRARY.

WELL, SOMETIMES I'M, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE OTHER ARTISTS AND THEY'LL BE TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

LIKE THEY'RE ASKING FOR THINGS TOO.

AND THIS LIKE PRISM WOULD, I'VE BEEN HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM ABOUT DOING SOME STUFF AND THE GROWTH, BUT I SEE THEM HERE AND THEN I WOULD JUST, ANYWAY, I'M JUST, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE SET AT RECREATION CENTERS AND SOME THAT DON'T HAVE A LOCATION.

YES.

SO, SO EVERYBODY HAS A LOCATION.

EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A LOCATION.

WILL HAVE A LOCATION.

THEY'RE STILL CONFIRMING THEM.

SO I DON'T WANT TO GIVE, I DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU WRONG INFORMATION.

I'M GONNA WAIT UNTIL WE ALL CONFIRM AND THEN PROVIDE YOU WITH A NICE PRETTY COLORFUL LIST, UM, THAT YOU CAN HAVE.

UM, RHONDA? YES MA'AM.

HAS REGISTRATION OPENED AT THE CENTERS OR WHEN WILL THEY OPEN? OKAY, SO REGISTRATIONS FOR THE RESIDENCIES? YEAH.

NO, FOR THE STUDENTS TO COME TO THE, YES.

SO NO, THEY HAVE NOT OPENED YET.

UM, BECAUSE ONCE THEY IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS, THEN THEY'LL OPEN IT FOR REGISTRATION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ARE THE REGISTRATIONS ALL GONNA COME THROUGH A CENTRAL LIKE LOCATION OR IS EACH SPECIFIC GROUP GONNA RUN THE REGISTRATIONS THEMSELVES? THEY'LL RUN THE REGISTRATIONS THEMSELVES.

OKAY.

AND THEN AT THE END OF THE RESIDENCY, WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR FINAL REPORT, THAT'S ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS.

THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THE REGISTRATION COMPONENT SO THAT WE CAN VERIFY THAT THEY'VE COVERED THE DISTRICTS THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD COVER.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER DANIEL? SURE.

YES.

UM, WILL THE, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WILL THE LOCATIONS BE KNOWN BEFORE THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR? JUST THINKING THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, I'VE GOT AN ARTS MAGNET IN MY DISTRICT.

I WOULD LOVE TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT IT BEFORE THEY GO FOR THE SUMMER BREAK.

I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE HEARD THE QUESTION.

WILL THE LUCK WITH THE LOCATIONS BE KNOWN BEFORE THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR? YOU'D SAY LIKE, TO WATCH SESSION, BE ABLE, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WE CAN, I CAN DEFINITELY TRY TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU.

YES.

AND SO SINCE YOU'VE ASKED THAT, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, IF

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I DON'T HAVE THEM ALL, AT LEAST I'LL GIVE YOU WHAT I HAVE AT THAT POINT SO THAT YOU CAN AT LEAST SHARE IT WITH YOUR STUDENTS BEFORE THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.

WE SHOULD HAVE, THE END OF THE SCHOOL YEAR IS AT THE END OF THE MONTH, RIGHT? UM, MEMORIAL DAY.

THE WEEK BEFORE, YES.

OKAY.

SO I WILL DO MY BEST TO TRY TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO YOU NEXT WEEK SO THAT YOU CAN SHARE IT OUT.

THAT'S A, A VERY GOOD FEEDBACK.

BE NICE TO FORWARD THAT ALONG TOO, TO THE, TO THE FINE ARTS DIRECTORS OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS TOO.

JUST AROUND, JUST LIKE I SAID BEFORE, IF THEY HAVE IT, THEY CAN SEND IT ALONG TO THEIR TEACHERS WHO CAN GIVE THE INFORMATION TO THE KIDS.

SO FOR SURE I WILL DO MY BEST TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO THEM.

OR AT LEAST I'LL GIVE THEM WHAT I HAVE.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

MAY I ASK A QUESTION JUST ABOUT LOCATION FINDING? CUZ I FEEL LIKE I SPEND A LOT OF TIME HELPING PARENTS.

GO AHEAD.

UM, DO WE EVER PARTNER WITH SCHOOLS LIKE WHO ARE HAVING SUMMER PROGRAMS? LIKE NOT JUST FOR THE STUDENTS IN THAT SCHOOL, BUT TO SAY TO THE WIDER COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S SUMMER SCHOOL, IT ENDS AT NOON, WE'RE GONNA DO A CAMP FOR THREE HOURS.

DOES THAT HAPPEN RESIDENCIES OR SUMMER? SO SOME OF THE SUMMER CAMP OR RESIDENCIES, DO WE OFFER THEM AT SCHOOLS? IS THAT YOUR CORRECT? YEAH.

IS THAT PO IS THAT A POSSIBILITY OR IS THERE SOME KIND OF OVERLAP THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO? NO, WE ARE, WE CAN USE THE SCHOOLS.

THE THING WITH USING THE SCHOOLS IS THERE'S A VERY STRICT, UM, SYSTEM FOR THE ARTISTS TO USE THE BUILDINGS.

UM, AND SO IN THE SUMMER, IF THEY'RE, THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT ALREADY BEING USED, IT'S NOT VERY EASY FOR THEM TO HAVE ACCESS TO D I S D BUILDINGS.

UM, SO IF THEY WERE HAVE HAVING LIKE A PROGRAM ALREADY THERE, IT WOULD BE, MAYBE WE COULD PARTNER WITH THEM, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN IT'S NOT REALLY ACCESSIBLE.

UM, OR NOT EASILY ACCESSIBLE.

UH, THESE SUMMER CAMPS FILL UP ENTIRELY, I IMAGINE THAT THEY DO THE RESIDENCIES.

YEAH.

LIKE IN IN, IN TERMS OF THE REGISTRATIONS, LIKE KIDS SIGNING UP TO TAKE THEM, ARE THEY ALL FULL? SOMETIMES.

IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION.

UM, SOME OF THE LOCATIONS DON'T FILL UP AS MUCH.

UM, SOME OF THE CLASSES ARE ATTENDED MORE DIFFERENT DAYS THAN OTHERS.

UM, BECAUSE IT'S A FREE SERVICE.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE, THEY DON'T WHEN THEY DON'T GO.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE REALLY HAVE A GOOD TURNOUT.

UM, ESPECIALLY, UM, I TRIED TO SHARE THIS VIDEO LAST TIME AT THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WORK, BUT ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DO RESIDENCIES THAT ARE TARGETING SENIORS, UM, THOSE ARE, ARE REALLY SUCCESSFUL.

THE ONES FOR THE KIDS ARE AS WELL, BUT THE ONES FOR THE SENIORS REALLY BRING OUT A LOT.

YEAH.

IT ACTUALLY SURPRISES ME.

I WAS EXPECTING YOU TO SAY LIKE, YEAH, THEY'RE ALL, THEY ALL COMPLETELY FULL.

AND THEN I WAS GONNA ASK IF THERE WAS A WAY TO TRACK THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO TAKE PART IN THEM BUT CAN'T BECAUSE THEY'RE FULL.

BUT IF THEY'RE NOT FULL, I THINK THAT SPEAKS MORE TO MAYBE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SIGN UP TO DO THEM THAN IT DOES IN THEIR INTERESTS.

CUZ I CAN ONLY IMAGINE TO A LOT OF PARENTS, UH, BEING ONE MYSELF, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, FREE SUMMER CAMP, FREE FOOD FREE, THAT'S OVER WEEKS OF TIME WOULD BE VERY APPEALING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE.

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENCIES OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOME SUBSET CENTERS? YEAH, I WAS GONNA JUMP IN THERE A LITTLE BIT.

FOR THE CULTURAL CENTERS, UM, TYPICALLY THOSE DO MAX AT WHATEVER WE HOLD THE LIMITS.

UNFORTUNATELY WE DO HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY LIMIT THE AMOUNT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

I WASN'T CLEAR.

AND SO I'VE WRITTEN A NOTE HERE TO THE LEADING QUESTION AFTER THAT IS DO YOU HAVE ANY WAY OF TRACKING HOW MANY PEOPLE COME TO IT AFTER IT'S FULL SO THAT WE CAN GET A SENSE OF HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN THEM, IF YOU WILL.

YEAH.

YEAH.

SO WE CAN SHOW BOTH, YOU KNOW, THE VALUE BUT ALSO THE POTENTIAL AT SOME POINT WHEN WE WANT TO EXPAND THESE PROGRAMS. ALSO.

I, WELL I THINK THAT SPEAKS TO THE RE THE CAPS BEING FULL OVER HERE, BUT THE RESIDENCY NECESSARILY, LIKE WHEN, WHEN YOU HAVE CULTURAL CENTER, YOU HAVE A CONSISTENCY OF YOU DEVELOP A BASE.

MM-HMM.

PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS HAPPENING EVERY YEAR.

YEP.

THEN YOU HAVE, UH, BUT WHEN IT'S SPORADIC AND YOU'RE SEARCHING FOR A LOCATION, SOMETIMES THAT, UM, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THE CONSISTENCY AND PEOPLE DON'T PLAN, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN EVERY YEAR.

SO, OR IF THEY'RE FULL, AT LEAST THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE OVERAGES SO TO SPEAK, COULD BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THESE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER ILLA.

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

UH, THE COMMUNITY ARTS SUMMER PROGRAMMING.

ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OBSTACLES THAT WE'VE RUN INTO IS SPACE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T, WE DO, WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TO HOST THESE.

UM, WE HAVE TWO RECREATION CENTERS AND THEY'RE BOTH COMPLETELY SOLD OUT WITH THEIR SUMMER CAMPS.

UM, THAT'S WHAT EXCITES ME MOST ABOUT, UH, COMMISSIONER HORNBUCKLE

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PROPOSAL WITH THE PARKS AND REC IS THAT IF WE'VE ALREADY GOT PROGRAMMING AT SOME OF THE PARKS AND REC, WHY CAN'T SUMMER CAMPS FOR, FOR THE LITTLE ONES AT LEAST, WHY CAN'T WE BRING IN SOME ARTS, UM, UH, PROGRAMMING TO, TO SUPPLEMENT, UH, WHAT THEY'RE OFFERING INSTEAD OF JUST DOING RECREATION, UH, PLAYING BASKETBALL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BRING IN A DANCE CLASS OR SOMETHING.

UM, SO, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER FOR, FOR NEXT YEAR IS TO SEE HOW WE CAN, UM, HOW COULD, HOW WE CAN MAXIMIZE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH PARKS AND REC FOR SOME OF THESE PROGRAMMING OPPORTUNITIES.

OUR WORK CENTER ABUSE, OUR REC CENTER USES CAP.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OPTION IS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN SH SHARE THE CAP, UH, PROGRAM WITH THE REC CENTERS.

CUZ I KNOW THAT PLEASANT OAKS DOES REQUEST CAP ARTISTS, SO THAT'S ONE WAY TO CHANGE IT UP FROM JUST THE, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST BUT BUT TO BRING ARTS INTO THE, THE REC CENTERS TOO.

HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO USE A CAP ARTIST IF THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR A SUMMER CAMP? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

YEAH.

OH, OURS.

IT'S NOT OPEN.

CAUSE I'VE DONE GROUNDWORK.

YEAH.

SO THE PARTNERSHIP WITH PARTNERSHIPS WITH CAP WOULD BE A FREE, WHATEVER THE FREE SITUATION IS.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY USE CAP FOR THE SUMMER PROGRAMMING OR JUST IN GENERAL? JUST IN GENERAL.

OKAY.

THE RECREATION CENTER.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT IT? THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY.

WELL THANK YOU.

, YOU WANNA TELL US? OKAY.

I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.

I CAN GO SIT DOWN.

OKAY.

SO, SO PRETTY QUICKLY, UM, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, SUMMER CAMP PRESIDENCY PILOT PROGRAM FOR TEAMS AND, UM, THAT WAS A PARTNERSHIP WHERE CRYSTAL ROSS CAME AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THREE LOCATIONS WHERE WE WERE GOING TO REQUEST INDIVIDUAL ARTISTS TO PROVIDE RESIDENCIES THIS YEAR AS A PILOT PROGRAM TO SEE IF WE COULD THEN EXPAND IT NEXT YEAR.

SO WE WENT THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

WE ACTUALLY JUST FINISHED, UH, PANEL REVIEWS ON MONDAY, AND UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE SELECTED THE TOP THREE SCORING ARTISTS.

UM, FRED, EVA, JESSICA BELL, AND SHAUNA PAUL.

UM, I GAVE YOU A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF WHAT THE RESIDENT RESIDENCIES WILL INCLUDE.

SO THE SPACES SAY TO BE DETERMINED, THEY ARE GOING TO BE EITHER THE THURGOOD MARSHALL, UM, REC CENTER IN D THREE DISTRICT THREE, EXXON REC CENTER IN DISTRICT 14 AND TIMBER GLEN IN DISTRICT 12.

UM, THE REASON WHY IT SAYS TO BE DETERMINED IS BECAUSE SINCE THEY JUST GOT NOTIFIED ABOUT THEIR AWARD, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE REC CENTER MANAGERS TO DETERMINE WHERE EACH ONE OF THEM WOULD BE A GOOD FIT OR IF THEY WANT TO CREATE A ROTATION BASIS FOR THOSE THREE LOCATIONS.

OKAY.

UM, AND THAT'S IT IN, IN A NUTSHELL.

SO THIS IS THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AGAIN, IF IT GOES WELL THIS YEAR, WE'RE HOPING TO EXPAND IT TO MORE REC CENTERS THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICTS IN THE CITY.

UH, COMMISSIONER TRILLA HAS HER HAND UP COMMISSIONER, NOT BY MISTAKE.

SHE HAS QUESTIONS.

YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK WHERE THESE WERE, UM, LOCATED.

IS THERE ANY WAY FOR YOU, FOR THE OFFICE TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF EVERY AVAILABLE OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR ARTS AND CULTURE, UM, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PRODUCING, UM, WITH, WITH THE DATES, TIMES, AND LOCATIONS, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THAT TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER ON ONE SO THAT WE CAN SHARE WITH OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS? ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY.

UM, WE WILL GET THAT.

I'LL, I'LL COMBINE THE FIRST PRESENTATION WITH THIS ONE AND SEND YOU A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.

CAN YOU ALSO INCLUDE THE, THE SUMMER CAMPS AT ALL THE CULTURAL CENTERS IN THAT SAME LIST? THAT'D BE GREAT JUST TO HAVE OUR BE ABLE TO SEND TO OUR COUNCIL LISTS, LIKE WITH EVERYTHING AVAILABLE.

DEFINITELY.

MICHELLE.

YES.

CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE, UM, SUCCESS METRICS ARE FOR THESE? HOW ARE YOU DETERMINING SUCCESS? SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO, UM, QUANTIFY BECAUSE SINCE WE'RE PARTNERING WITH THE, WITH THE PARKS DEPARTMENT, THEY ALREADY HAVE A PRESET LIST OF STUDENTS THAT THEY HAVE FOR THEIR CAMPS.

WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE INCLUDING THE CULTURAL COMPONENT THAT THEY'RE MISSING IN THOSE CAMPS.

AT THE END OF THE CAMP.

THEY ACTUALLY HAVE, UM, ALL THE, THE NUMBERS AS FAR AS, UH, DEMOGRAPHIC AGES, UM, LOCATIONS, UH, ATTENDANCE REPORTS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT

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AT THE END.

PLUS THEY ALSO SEND SURVEYS OUT THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED TO SHARE WITH US AT THE END OF THE PROGRAM.

SO THAT'S HOW WE'LL THE DETERMINATION.

THANK YOU.

ANY MORE HANDS? SHE TELL? UM, I HAD A BIRTHDAY THIS MONTH.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO ITEM D BRIEFING ON COMMISSIONER OBLIGATIONS UNDER CHAPTER 12, A DALLAS CITY CODE RELATED TO GIFTS.

YEAH, THANKS.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANT TO TALK TO YOU GUYS ABOUT A LESSON THAT I LEARNED.

I'M NOT THAT OLD, BUT I'M SORT OF AN OLD DOG.

I'M GETTING THERE AND I LEARNED A NEW LESSON THIS MONTH.

UH, I RACED SAILBOATS OVER AT WHITE ROCK LAKE EVERY SUNDAY, UH, RIGHT OUT IN FRONT OF THE BATHHOUSE.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TAKE PICTURES OF THE BOATS.

IT'S SORT OF LIKE PERFORMANCE ART.

YOU COULD MAYBE PUT THAT ON YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DO .

BUT SOMEBODY ASKED ME TODAY, LITERALLY LESLIE SAID, IS IT RELAXING? WELL, NOT EXACTLY RELAXING.

UH, AND THE REASON IS, YOU THINK ABOUT ALL THESE BOATS, THEY GO OUT AND THEY SCATTER AROUND THE LAKE.

AND THAT'S PRETTY RELAXING AND THAT'S FUN.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE A PICTURE OF THE BOATS.

THAT'S WHAT IT SLIDE MY BOAT'S IN THAT LITTLE PICTURE OF THE BOTTOM.

BUT ALL THOSE BOATS ARE SCATTERED OUT.

BUT THEN AT SOME POINT THEY ALL START HEADING FOR ONE LITTLE MARK LIKE THIS AND THEY ALL GET THERE AT THE SAME TIME.

AND THAT IS NOT RELAXING.

BUT THERE ARE RULES.

THERE ARE RULES THAT GOVERN HOW YOU DO THIS.

NOW THINK ABOUT THIS.

IF YOU'RE ON CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND YOUR CAR HAS NO BRAKES AND IT GOES DOWN TO ONE LANE AND ALL THE WINDOWS ARE OPEN AND PEOPLE ARE YELLING AT YOU LIKE GEORGE COSTANZA AND YOU DON'T KNOW THE RULES, THAT'S NOT VERY FUN, IS IT? SO AFTER DECADES OF DOING THIS, I FINALLY THIS MONTH DECIDED TO LEARN THE RULES.

AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? WHEN I LEARNED THE RULES, I DON'T TAKE PENALTIES ANYMORE.

I DON'T HAVE TO DUCK BEHIND ALL THE OTHER BOATS AND BE IN LAST PLACE CUZ I DIDN'T KNOW THE RULES.

AND NOW WHEN PEOPLE ARE YELLING AT ME LIKE GEORGE COSTANZA, I GET TO YELL BACK AT THEM LIKE GEORGE COSTANZA BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT'S THE MORAL OF THAT STORY.

OKAY? KNOW THE NO, THE RULES.

YEAH.

NOW, DID I WANNA LEARN THE RULES? NO, IT WAS NO FUN.

THE RULES I LEARNED IS CALLED, UH, RULE 18 RULES AT MARKS, UH, DREADED RULE 18.

IT TOOK ME ABOUT 10 TIMES TO GO THROUGH THE DUMB RULES.

SO I LEARN.

BUT NOW I'M A BETTER SAILOR.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TODAY.

HERE TODAY, BECAUSE, UH, I'VE BEEN INVITED HERE TO TALK ABOUT ETHICS AND GIFTS.

AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT THIS ISSUE OF GIFTS FOR YOU ALL IS THE DREADED RULE 18.

UH, SO I WANNA HELP YOU WITH THAT.

MY NAME'S BARRON ELIA, I'M CHIEF INTEGRITY OFFICER.

THAT'S PART OF MY JOB, UH, IS TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ETHICS.

THE OTHER PART IS TO HELP WITH SOMETHING CALLED ADVISORY OPINIONS THAT I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

BUT IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS, IT'S SOMETHING I'VE LEARNED, I'M AN ATTORNEY, IS THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT LAWS, YOU GOTTA LEARN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FOREST AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TREES.

IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE TREES, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA HELP YOU A WHOLE LOT.

SO LET'S ADVANCE THROUGH THE SLIDES AND TAKE A LOOK AT ETHICS.

I TRIED TO DO A LITTLE PAINTING THING HERE, SINCE YOU DEAL WITH ART, YOU'VE GOT A FIVE YEAR OLD THERE.

THEY'RE FINGERPRINT PAINTING.

IMAGINE YOU HAVE THE MONA LISA IN DALLAS AT ONE OF YOUR CULTURAL CENTERS, AND YOU GOT A BUNCH OF FIVE YEAR OLDS FINGER PAINTING AND NO FENCE BETWEEN THE FIVE-YEAR-OLDS AND MONA LISA, WHAT DO YOU THINKS GONNA HAPPEN? YEAH, EVERY WALL IS A CANVAS, RIGHT? INCLUDING THE, THE MONA LISA ETHICS.

ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT, THIS IS BIG PICTURE STUFF.

IT'S A FENCE.

IT'S GONNA KEEP THE FIVE-YEAR-OLDS FROM FINGER PAINTING ON THE ART, RIGHT? SO PLEASE, UH, ADVANCE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, SO WHY DO IT HERE? I'VE LISTENED TO ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND, UH, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHETHER YOU GOT A FREE TICKET TO SOME EVENT OR WHETHER SOMEBODY GIVES YOU A LITTLE GIFT.

AND YET, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE RULES AND SOMEBODY GIVES YOU A GIFT AND YOU ACCEPT ONE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO GET, IT CAN CAUSE REAL PROBLEMS FOR THE TRUST THAT PEOPLE HAVE IN THIS COMMITTEE.

I GUESS THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE ME HERE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF ISSUE THAT YOU'RE STRUGGLING WITH.

SO YOU NEED THESE KIND OF RULES AND YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND 'EM, AND YOU NEED TO DIG IN AND FIGURE 'EM OUT SO THAT THINGS DON'T GET MESSY FOR YOU.

SO THAT ALL THE TALENT AND THE VALUE AND THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER THE

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CITY DON'T GET LOST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T REPORT IT, UH, A FREE TICKET TO SOME EVENT CORRECTLY.

SAME THING IS YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THESE RULES SO THAT ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HAVE HEARD A LOT ABOUT DISTRICT 12.

BECAUSE THAT PEOPLE DON'T LOSE OPPORTUNITIES.

THEY DON'T LOSE THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW THE RULES.

SO PLEASE GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

HERE'S A BIG PICTURE OF ETHICS.

AND THIS IS GONNA HELP YOU AND, UH, IN EVERY AREA OF YOUR LIFE, BUT ESPECIALLY WITH, WITH, IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE IN THE CITY, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T.

UH, MONEY, AUTHORITY, POWER INFLUENCE, INFORMATION, OPPORTUNITY.

THEREFORE, YOU HAVE RESPONSIBILITY.

AND HERE'S THE CLASSIC PLUNDER.

HERE'S WHY PEOPLE GET INTO TROUBLE WITH TICKETS, IS THEY TAKE THAT ACCESS AND THEY TURN IT INTO PERSONAL GAIN.

JUST DON'T DO THAT.

AND, AND YOU'RE IN GOOD SHAPE.

BUT IT'S, IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT OBVIOUSLY.

SO LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT ETHICS TERMS, DEFENSE, LOCATION, FOUNDATION, THE STRING LINE, POST BACKERS AND PICKETS.

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL HELP YOU WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN INDIVIDUAL SITUATION ABOUT, ABOUT GIFTS.

AND I PROMISE I'D CUT THIS PRESENTATION DOWN ABOUT IN HALF.

SO I'M GONNA WALK THROUGH ALL OF THESE THINGS FOR YOU, BUT YOU'VE GOT THIS PRESENTATION.

I WANNA INVITE YOU TO LOOK AT IT.

IF, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S REALLY EAGER TO LEARN ABOUT THIS STUFF, LOOK AT THIS SLIDE AND JUST, JUST THINK THROUGH IT.

BUT THERE'S ONLY THREE ARTICLES, FOUR ARTICLES THERE THAT YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IN THE WHOLE CODE.

THERE'S STANDARDS OF CONDUCT THAT APPLY TO EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT THE RULE IS.

AND THEN THERE'S THE RULES WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.

SO LET'S ADVANCE, LET'S SEE, LET'S SKIP LOCATION SLIDE.

IT'S 12 A.

THAT'S THE CODE OF ETHICS THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK TO.

WE CAN, UH, GO PAST THE LEADERSHIP SIDE.

WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT'S IN THAT SLIDE IN, IN OTHER PLACES.

HERE WE'VE GOT THE STRING LINE.

WHAT DOES A STRING LINE DO? IT HELPS YOU TO SEE IF WHAT YOU'RE BUILDING IS STRAIGHT.

WHAT IS YOUR STRING LINE FOR ETHICS JUST IN YOUR LIFE? IT'S MORALS AND LAWS.

LOOK AT THE, UH, SLIDE THERE.

YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING I EVER NEEDED TO KNOW I LEARNED IN, IN DORM.

IS THAT REALLY TRUE? NO, IT'S NOT TRUE.

BUT ALL THE GOOD STUFF, IF YOU WOULD JUST DO WHAT YOU LEARNED IN KEN WOOD WORLD WOULD BE A LOT BETTER PLACE IF WE JUST DID ALL THAT STUFF.

DON'T TOUCH, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF.

THAT'S MY WIFE'S FAVORITE.

UH, TELL THE TRUTH, PLAY FAIR, SHARE WITH OTHERS.

DON'T STEAL, DON'T HIT ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT THEN YOU GET INTO GIFTS AND YOU DIDN'T GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

YOU DIDN'T LEARN EVERYTHING.

THERE IS STONE, KINDERGARTEN ABOUT GIFTS.

LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE VISIONS AND RULES THAT I FOUND THAT PERTAIN TO GIFTS.

12 A HAS ALL THESE RULES ABOUT GIFTS.

AND THEN YOU ALL HAVE YOUR OWN RULES.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE BY SHOW OF HANDS, KNEW THAT YOU HAD YOUR OWN RULES ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN GIFTS IN ADDITION TO 12 A? ANYBODY? WELL, YEAH, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A NOD.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, THEY'VE GOT A NOD THEIR HEAD, BUT YOU'VE GOT SOME, WE'RE GONNA GO OVER THOSE.

AND THOSE ARE ALL THE ONES IN 12 A.

DID YOU KNOW THAT IN THE PENAL CODE, THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU GO TO JAIL FOR.

THERE ARE CHARGES THAT YOU CAN FACE.

YOU DON'T DEAL WITH THE GIFT CORRECTLY.

WHAT THE SECOND DEGREE OF FELONY? DID Y'ALL KNOW THAT? WELL, I HOPE YOU DO NOW AND IT KIND OF WOKE YOU UP.

LIKE I BETTER PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH, WITH ETHICS.

THE TRUTH IS, YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET A SECOND DEGREE OF FELONY FOR BRIBERY WITH THE GIFTS, BUT YOU CAN.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THERE'S A GIFT POLICY FLOATING AROUND ON THE, THE WHAT'S LEFT OF THE INTERWEB FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW, .

AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT OFF.

UH, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S WEBSITE AND YOU LOOK ON THE ETHICS PAGE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A GIFT POLICY.

DON'T LOOK AT THAT.

IT'S BEEN REPEALED.

IT'S BEEN REPEALED AND IT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT I'M, THAT I'M SHOWING YOU HERE.

SO THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN.

BUT IF YOU JUST WANNA GET REALLY CONFUSED AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, GO LOOK AT IT.

BUT JUST DON'T LOOK AT IT.

SO LET'S, LET'S WALK THROUGH THE REST OF THE SLIDES HERE.

FIRST THING I WANT YOU TO KNOW, UH, BIG DUTY, YOU HAVE A FIDUCIARY DUTY.

THAT'S THE HIGHEST ONE THERE IS.

AND ALL CITY OFFICIALS HAVE.

THAT MEANS THE UTMOST CARE AND TRUST FOR THE THINGS THAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

LET'S DIG A LITTLE DEEPER WITH THAT NEXT SLIDE.

THE DIFFERENTIATION YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND BETWEEN A REGULAR DUTY AND A FIDUCIARY DUTY IS THIS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MOVING FROM SOMETHING THAT'S A SUITABLE OUTCOME TO ACTING IN THE BEST INTEREST.

SOMEBODY ELSE, I THOUGHT OF THIS EXAMPLE.

LET'S SAY, UH, YOU'RE SELLING PICKUP TRUCKS AND YOU GOT A DUALLY AND

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YOU GOT A F-150 AND A FARMER COMES TO YOU WHO REALLY NEEDS, UH, A DUALLY.

BUT IF YOU SELL HIM F-150, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY.

WILL THE F-150 WORK ON THE RANCH? YEAH, IT'S GONNA WORK, BUT HE REALLY NEEDS A DUALLY.

SO YOU, YOU SELL HIM THE F150, YOU MAKE MORE MONEY.

HE'S GOT A SUITABLE TRUCK.

HE DIDN'T BREAK ANY RULES UNLESS YOU'RE A FIDUCIARY.

WHICH TRUCK DO YOU NEED TO SELL HIM IF YOU'RE A FIDUCIARY? THE BIG ONE.

THE BIG ONE WITH ALL THE TIRES, CUZ THAT'S WHAT'S IN HIS BEST INTEREST.

DID YOU KNOW THAT'S THE DUTY YOU'RE UNDER AS COMMISSIONERS HERE? FIDUCIARY DUTY.

SO LET'S, UH, SKIP THE SLIDE WITH THE PIRATE ON IT.

NOW YOU CAN READ THAT LATER.

THE PIRATES OF PENZANCE PAINTINGS.

YOU ALSO HAVE, UH, SOME CONDUCT, AND THIS KIND OF WRAPS UP THE, THE BIG PICTURE PART OF THE PRESENTATION, BUT THERE'S SOME CONCEPTS THERE THAT, UH, I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH REALLY QUICKLY FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR TIME.

BUT THE FIRST ONE, MANNERS MAKE, MAN, THAT'S A QUOTE FROM A MOVIE, THE KINGSMAN, THAT'S ABOUT CIVILITY.

UH, BE APPEARANCE MATTERS.

YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS IN THE NEWS.

WE'VE GOT, UH, A LOCAL REAL ESTATE TYCOON WHO'S BEEN, UH, HAVING VACATIONS AND THINGS WITH THE JUSTICE ON THE SUPREME COURT.

HE DIDN'T REPORT THOSE THINGS.

HE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO REPORT 'EM, BUT HOW DOES IT LOOK? IT LOOKS BAD.

SO HE'S TAKEN HITS AND THE SUPREME COURT HAS TAKEN HITS JUST BY THE APPEARANCE OF IT.

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE CODE OF ETHICS, APPEARANCE AND CONDUCT, BOTH MATTER.

OKAY? THIRD ONE, STAY IN YOUR LANE AS COMMISSIONERS.

UH, THERE ARE EMPLOYERS THAT HELP YOU WITH YOUR COMMISSIONS, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT IF YOU READ THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT THEY DON'T WORK FOR YOU.

SO TREAT THEM WITH A CERTAIN KIND OF DISTANCE AND RESPECT.

AND THE FOURTH ONE IS LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S PIG LATIN.

WHO KNOWS? PIG LATIN.

ANYBODY? OKAY, SOMEBODY TRANSLATE FOR THIS.

UH, I MAY MANAGEMENT.

HEY, BAY OUNCE MEMBERS.

K WHAT DID I JUST SAY? MICROMANAGEMENT BY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

YEAH.

AND WHAT DOES IT SAY BELOW THAT? THAT'S RIGHT.

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND.

THEY CAN CONFER WITH YOU.

YOU CAN ASK THEM QUESTIONS, BUT THEY CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.

THEY CAN'T THREATEN YOU.

THEY CAN'T DO THOSE KINDS.

THOSE ARE CODES OF CONDUCT.

KIND OF LIKE THE ONE ABOUT STAY IN YOUR LANE WITH EMPLOYEES THAT YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND IN THE BIG PICTURE.

PROTECT THE VULNERABLE.

THAT'S ABOUT ISSUES OF EQUITY, DISCRIMINATION.

YOU SEE THE LADY THERE WITHOUT THE UMBRELLA, JUST TO REMIND YOU OF, YOU KNOW HOW TO INTERPRET THESE PICTURES.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT, LADY, UH, LATER, YOU KNOW, SHE NEEDS AN UMBRELLA.

SHE NEEDS PROTECTION.

PEOPLE WHO, UH, ARE WHISTLEBLOWERS, THEY NEED PROTECTION FROM RETALIATION.

THAT'S WHAT THAT ONE'S ABOUT.

THE LAST ONE IS MY FAVORITE.

THERE'S A GUY, UH, ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM THAT WERE THE LOOKOUTS ON THE TITANIC.

AND ONE OF 'EM, AT LEAST ONE OF 'EM SURVIVED.

CAN YOU IMAGINE MEETING THAT GUY, THE LOOKOUT THAT HITS THE ICEBERG, THAT SUNK THE TITANIC? WELL, WHEN THEY GOT BACK, THEY HAD, UH, A BIG TRIAL AND A BIG TRIBUNAL ABOUT, HEY, WHAT HAPPENED? AND THE GUY SAID SOMETHING INTERESTING, AND THAT'S WHY THE BINOCULARS WROTE THERE.

HE SAID, WELL, I WAS NEVER ISSUED AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY BINOCULARS.

AND IF I'D HAVE HAD THOSE BINOCULARS, I MIGHT HAVE SEEN THE ICEBERG.

AND IF I'D HAVE SEEN THE ICEBERG SOONER, MIGHT NOT HAVE HIT IT, THEN THERE'D BE NO MOVIE.

THERE'D BE NO, YEAH, NONE OF THIS STUFF WOULD'VE HAPPEN.

YOU KNOW, THE CODE OF ETHICS? IT SAYS YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO READ AND KNOW THE CODE.

YOU NEED TO KNOW YOU HAVE BINOCULARS TO SEE WHAT THE RULES ARE.

YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO USE THEM, AND YOU NEED TO BE WATCHED.

SO THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE.

LET'S LOOK AT THE, THE, THE PICKETS OF DEFENSE THAT HAVE TO DO WITH GIFTS.

LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

HERE'S HOW 12 A 12 IS ORGANIZED, UH, GENERAL RULES AND THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE.

THEN SPECIAL RULES ON TOP OF THE GENERAL RULES.

THEN TICKETS, WHICH I THINK IS A BIG ONE FOR YOU ALL.

YOU MAY HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE.

AND THEN REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.

12 A 12 HAS 10 WORDS IN IT THAT ARE DEFINED BY THE CODE.

THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M NOT GONNA READ THESE OR EVEN GO THROUGH 'EM, BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW, LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE.

THERE ARE 10 WORDS.

GO AHEAD TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THERE ARE 10 WORDS IN THERE THAT HAVE TECHNICAL MEETINGS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE READING THIS FOR YOURSELF, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN I DO, REMEMBER TO GO LOOK AT THE DEFINITIONS, OKAY? SO GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

YOU GOT THREE OPTIONS WITH GIFTS.

I WANNA TRY AND MAKE THIS, UH, I WANNA BE YOUR EASY BUTTON TONIGHT.

YOU GOT THREE OPTIONS.

YOU CAN ACCEPT THE GIFT,

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YOU CAN DONATE THE GIFTS, OR YOU CAN REFUSE THE GIFT.

THOSE ARE YOUR OPTIONS.

THERE ARE THREE STRATEGIES.

READ THE CODE.

THERE'S AN ACRONYM THAT LAWYERS USE ABOUT NOT READING THE CODE THAT I CAN'T SAY, UH, IN AN OPEN FORUM.

AND BASICALLY READ THE CODE.

I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY LAWYERS WILL DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORK AND THEN THEY READ THE CODE AND LIKE, OH, THE ANSWER WAS RIGHT THERE.

ALL, HUH? YOU GOTTA READ THE CODE.

SECOND THING THAT YOU CAN DO IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GOOD CULTURE OF ETHICS.

IT'S ESCALATED.

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, IT'S NOT ESCALATE IN THE WAY WE USUALLY THINK ABOUT, LIKE ESCALATE A CONFLICT.

YOU JUST TALK TO THE DIRECTORS, ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK.

DO YOU SEE A CONFLICT OR THE CODE GIVES THEM THE AUTHORITY TO SAY, I SEE IT OR I DON'T SEE IT.

IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, YOU CAN COME TO ME IN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE, SAY, I WANT AN ADVISORY OPINION AND I WILL GIVE YOU ONE AND YOU CAN RELY ON, WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT.

THE OTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS ACCEPT THE GIFT AND RECUSE YOURSELF.

THAT MEANS A COUPLE THINGS.

WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT, UH, HERE IN A MINUTE.

BUT THAT'S, IT'S REALLY PRETTY SIMPLE.

YOU GOT THREE OPTIONS AND THREE STRATEGIES TO, TO FIGURE OUT.

GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE.

HERE'S THE MEAT AND POTATOES.

FIRST THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS IS JUST THE REASON THAT THEY'VE GOT SO MANY WORDS UP THERE FOR, AND THIS IS A PLAIN ENGLISH VERSION, BY THE WAY.

THIS ISN'T THE CODE.

YOU NEED TO READ THE CODE.

THIS IS ME TRYING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER WAY TO ACCESS IT.

BUT THERE'S A REASON THEY SAY REGARDING ANY GIFT, FAVOR, SERVICE, OR BENEFIT.

CAUSE PEOPLE GET CUTE WITH THE RULES.

DON'T DO THAT.

THAT'S WHY I PUT SWAG UP THERE.

IF YOU GET SWAG FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TOUCHING ON THIS RULE WITH GIFTS.

DON'T GET CUTE WITH ALL.

IT WASN'T A BENEFIT.

IT WAS A A FAVOR.

NO, IT WASN'T A FAVOR.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU CAN'T ASK FOR, YOU CAN'T ACCEPT AND YOU CAN'T AGREE TO ACCEPT AT A LATER TIME SWAG FROM SOMEBODY.

IF A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, THAT'S GONNA INFLUENCE YOUR DECISIONS ON THIS COMMISSION.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

NOW, I KNOW THERE'S SOME GRAY AREA THERE, BUT IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE.

IF A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD INFLUENCE THAT PERSON, THEN DON'T TAKE IT.

IF YOU GOT A QUESTION ABOUT IT, ASK YOUR DIRECTORS.

IF YOU WANT MORE, GET AN ADVISORY OPINION FROM ME.

YOU ALSO CAN'T DO IT IF THE OTHER PERSON GAVE IT TO YOU INTENDING TO INFLUENCE YOU.

I LIKE FRUITCAKE, , COLLIN STREET FRUIT.

REALLY GOOD.

NOT EVERY FRUIT, BUT PALM FRUIT BAKER FRUITCAKE.

REALLY GOOD.

YOU GIVE THAT TO ME, IT'S GONNA INFLUENCE ME.

BUT IF I GIVE THAT TO YOU, IT MIGHT NOT INFLUENCE YOU.

BUT IF I GIVE YOU THAT COLLIN STREET BAKERY FRUITCAKE, BECAUSE I LOVE IT, AND I THINK WHEN I SLIDE THAT OVER TO YOU, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE THE WAY I NEED YOU TO VOTE OR RECOMMEND THE WAY I NEED YOU TO RECOMMEND, THEN YOU CAN'T ACCEPT THAT FRUITCAKE EVEN THOUGH YOU HATE FROM KIDS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? PEOPLE DOING BUSINESS WITH THE CITY CAN'T DO THESE THINGS TO YOU.

SO THEY CAN'T TRY AND INFLUENCE YOU WITH GIFTS.

THEY CAN'T EVEN GIVE YOU GIFTS THAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THEY INFLUENCE YOU.

OKAY? THAT'S PRETTY SIMPLE.

ANOTHER ONE THAT'S IN THERE IS, UH, MONEY.

DON'T GET CUTE WITH MONEY.

YOU CAN'T RECEIVE MONEY FROM SOMEBODY THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH THE CITY OR WANTS TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE, WITH THE CITY AND MONEY.

WHAT I MEAN BY TO GET CUTE WITH IT IS MONEY IS IT'S MONEY.

IT'S NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENTS, IT'S CHECKS, IT'S STOCKS, IT'S BONDS, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MONEY.

SO DON'T, DON'T PLAY AROUND TOO MUCH WITH THOSE RULES.

YOU, YOU LITERALLY CAN'T TAKE IT.

AND THAT, THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT STARTS BUMPING INTO THE PENAL CODE IN SECOND DEGREE FELONIES WHEN YOU START GETTING MONEY FOR THINGS.

UH, THE THIRD ONE IS REALLY IN A DIFFERENT SECTION, BUT IT'S ABOUT HONORARIUMS. UH, TRICKY THERE, THAT LITTLE ONE LITTLE WORD OUT THERE IN RETURN.

YOU CAN'T BE PAID IN RETURN FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE TONIGHT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S SO FUN AND YOU'RE HAVING A GREAT TIME.

I CAN TELL YOU GUYS ARE GIANT, BUT YOU CAN'T GET MONEY IN RETURN FOR NOW.

YOU CAN GET SOMETHING IN RECOGNITION.

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

YOU CAN'T GET SOMETHING IN RETURN.

LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON.

HERE ARE THE EXTRA RULES.

BASICALLY THE WAY YOUR, YOUR RULES SET THIS UP.

THERE ARE THREE RELATIONSHIPS, AND I'LL LET YOU READ THE RELATIONSHIPS IN MY, UH, SLIDE LATER.

BUT THEY'RE CALLED AFFILIATE RELATIONSHIPS.

YEAH, ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIPS.

AND YOU HAVE ADVERSARIAL RELATIONSHIPS.

IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE ACCORDING TO YOUR POLICIES.

IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE RELATIONSHIPS NOW, OR YOU'VE HAD ONE IN

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THE LAST 12 YEARS, UM, EXCUSE ME, 12 MONTHS, NOT 12 YEARS, OR ONE OF YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS HAS THAT BY YOUR OWN POLICIES, YOU'RE SAYING TO A REASONABLE PERSON THAT DOESN'T SMELL RIGHT.

SO YOU CAN'T RECEIVE THAT GIFT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO WE'RE AT A, WE'RE AT A A STOPPING POINT A LITTLE BIT.

I'VE GOT SOME MORE THINGS TO TALK ABOUT, SOME REPORTING AND, BUT I'VE GIVEN YOU A LOT.

YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW ABOUT THESE RULES.

OKAY, LET'S KEEP GOING.

KEEP GOING THROUGH THE WALK THROUGH THAT SLIDE.

YOU GUYS CAN READ THAT FOR YOURSELF.

WALK THROUGH THAT ONE.

HERE'S ALL THE EXCEPTIONS.

REASONABLE TRAVEL, NOW, PUBLIC AWARD OR UH, OR OR IN RECOGNITION.

IT'S NOT IN RETURN.

IT'S NOT AN HONORARIUM.

LOANS AND SCHOLARSHIPS THAT, THAT ARE AVAILABLE ON THE SAME TERMS AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

ADMISSION TO EVENTS THAT ARE RELATED TO YOUR DUTIES.

GIFTS, LESS THAN $50.

THOSE ARE ALL ALLOWABLE IF THEY, UH, GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE.

CEREMONIAL AND PROTOCOL GIFTS.

IF YOU GET ONE OF THOSE OVER $300, YOU HAVE TO DONATE IT TO THE CITY.

GIFTS FROM PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CITY BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY, EVEN BUSINESS RELATIONSHIPS.

THAT'S FINE.

SO LONG AS IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH, UH, COMMISSIONED BUSINESS, MEALS, TRAVEL, LODGING, ENTERTAINMENT.

THAT SOUNDS FUN.

SO LONG AS YOU AND THE DONOR ARE THERE.

AND THE FINAL ONE IS TICKETS.

THAT'S I THINK POTATOES FOR YOU ALL.

SO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

I PUT THE TICKET STUFF ON THERE, JUST THE WAY IT APPEARS IN THE CODES.

THAT'S NOT PLAIN LANGUAGE.

WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST TICKET QUESTION? WHAT WE HAVE TO REPORT.

GOTCHA.

OKAY, LET ME GIVE YOU THE EASY BUTTON.

HERE'S THE EASY BUTTON.

SOMEBODY GIVES YOU A TICKET.

GO TO THE EVENT.

TAKE THE TICKET, THROW IT IN A SHOEBOX.

DON'T WORRY ABOUT ALL THESE RULES.

STICK IT ON THE FORM AND YOU'RE FINE.

PROBLEM WITH THAT.

ALL THE TICKETS THAT WE GET ARE COMPS AND THEY SAY $0 ON 'EM.

FIND OUT HOW MUCH THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT PAID FOR THE TICKET.

PAID FOR THE TICKET.

YEAH.

WRITE IT ON THE TICKET THOUGH.

IT'S FOR EVERYBODY.

THROW IT IN A SHOEBOX.

WRITE IT ON THE FORM.

YOU'RE GOOD.

YOU WANNA KNOW THE, YOU WANNA KNOW THE RULE FOR REPORTING, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT.

BUT EASY BUTTON IS THROW THE THING IN A SHOEBOX AND REPORT IT.

WHO CARES? WHO IS EVER GONNA LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND WHY? TINKER AROUND AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT ALL THESE RULES.

THROW IT IN A SHOEBOX, WRITE IT ON THE FORM OR GET SOMEBODY ELSE THROUGH.

GET A THIRD GRADER TO WRITE IT ON THE FORM FOR YOU.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YEAH.

OKAY.

FOURTH GRADER.

YOU GOTTA KNOW ALL THE THIRD GRADER.

THAT'S THE EASY BUTTON.

BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE REPORTING ROOMS ABOUT TICKETS RIGHT AT THE END.

YEAH, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FORM TOO, CUZ IT DIDN'T WORK FOR ME.

AND I BROUGHT THAT UP THREE WEEKS AGO AND I NEVER RECEIVED A RESPONSE ABOUT THAT.

SO I DUNNO IF ANYONE HERE USED THAT FORM, BUT WE'LL GET TO IT.

WE'RE, IT'S COMING RIGHT UP.

YEAH, I, OKAY, GOOD TO KNOW THAT.

YEAH.

YES, IT'S FOUR TICKETS I THINK.

I, I JUST THOUGHT YOU MIGHT COVER IT.

AND, UM, SO I'M, I'M IN THE ARTS COMMUNITY.

I COULD WORK SOME THESE ORGANIZATIONS.

WE USED TO MY SERVICE HERE.

UM, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS IF I WORKED WITH, UM, AN ORGANIZATION OVER THE BRIDGE ARTS OR , THEN WHENEVER A VOTE COMES UP, I RECUSE MYSELF THAT I'M NOT BREAKING RULES, WORKING WITH THEM FROM THROWN OUT.

IF I, IF I'VE WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE, WHY CAN I CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM? SO WHAT WE SHOULD, SO THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT ARE POPPING UP IN MY HEAD, OKAY, WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT, MM-HMM.

, AND THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD ONE FOR AN ADVISORY OPINION.

SO THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME TO SAY ESCALATE.

OKAY? GO ASK THE DIRECTORS.

THIS ONE MIGHT BE A GOOD ONE FOR YOU TO SAY, HEY BARON, UH, HERE'S THE EXACT SITUATION AND FACTS.

GIVE ME AN ADVISOR OPINION AND ALL, THERE'S A LOT IN BETWEEN THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT WILL AFFECT THE ANSWER.

BUT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE BIG PICTURE THINGS THAT I, THAT I TAUGHT YOU AT THE BEGINNING, YOU, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

EASY BUTTON.

RECUSE YOURSELF, JUST RECUSE YOURSELF.

GO VOTE ON EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S SO EASY TO DO THAT.

BUT, BUT PLEASE CONTACT ME AND I'LL FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOU.

OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY, LET'S FINISH THE SLIDES.

UH, MORE EXCEPTIONS.

THAT'S, THAT HAS TO DO WITH TICKETS.

YOU READ ALL THAT.

KEEP GOING.

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ESCALATION, ESCALATION MEANS ASK YOUR DIRECTOR OR ASK FOR AN ADVISORY OPINION.

HERE'S HOW IT WORKS.

HAS TO BE FOR YOU.

NOT SOMEBODY ELSE.

HAS TO BE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE.

SO YOU CAN'T GET ME TO WRITE AN ADVISORY OPINION TO COVER YOU FOR STUFF THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

YOU GOTTA ASK ABOUT THE FUTURE, BUT YOU GIVE ME ALL THE FACTS.

YOU FOLLOW WHAT WE SAY IN THE OPINION.

GET YOU OFF THE HOOK.

IF, IF THE OPINION'S WRONG, IT'S ON ME, NOT YOU.

SO THAT'S ESCALATION.

NEXT ONE IS ABOUT RECUSAL, I BELIEVE.

DON'T EXCUSE IT, RECUSE IT.

SNOOP DOGG.

I THOUGHT THAT SOUNDED KIND OF LIKE SNOOP DOGG, UM, SITUATION OCCURRED WHERE SOMEBODY DIDN'T WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO KNOW.

I'M TRYING TO NOT, YOU KNOW, DISCLOSE EVERYTHING OR MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT SOMETHING.

BUT BOTTOM LINE IS SOMEBODY MADE A DECISION.

IT IT WAS, THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE DECISION WITHOUT TELLING EVERYBODY THAT THE PERSON THAT IT AFFECTED, UH, KNEW THEM PRETTY WELL.

AND LATER EVERYBODY FOUND OUT THAT THEY KNEW THAT PERSON PRETTY WELL.

HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WENT OVER, MADE THE PAPERS? YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE THE PAPERS JUST RECUSE YOURSELF.

IF YOU THINK IT MIGHT LOOK BAD, IF IT, YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE ASKING, HMM, I WONDER WHAT I SHOULD DO HERE.

JUST RECUSE YOUR, OKAY, NEXT LEVEL REPORTING.

HERE'S TO YOUR QUESTION, THE, THE LINE AND THE SAND THERE IS $300.

NOW, IF IT WAS ME EASY BUTTON, I JUST PUT EVERYTHING ON THERE, WHO CARES HOW MANY TICKETS YOU AND THEN I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

BUT THE RULE IS UP.

THERE'S REALLY TWO RULES UP TO $300.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT IT UNLESS ONE GROUP OR ENTITY GAVE YOU IN LITTLE BITS $300.

THAT'S WHY IT SAVED THE TICKET.

SO LET'S SAY THIS GROUP GIVES YOU IN A THREE MONTH PERIOD OR, OR EXCUSE ME, IN A ONE YEAR PERIOD THEY GAVE YOU SEVEN $50 TICKETS.

THEN YOU GOTTA REPORT IT CUZ IT'S COMING FROM THE SAME GROUP.

THAT'S IT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GOTTA REPORT.

AND THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS ON THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS LATER, UH, WHAT APPLIES TO YOU IS THAT TOP FIRST PARAGRAPH, SECOND PARAGRAPH DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU.

THIRD PARAGRAPH DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU.

AND THEN THE LAST TWO DO SOMETHING THAT'S ACCEPTED IN 12 A, 12 B LIKE REASONABLE TRAVEL AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT THAT IF IT'S ON THAT LIST.

YOU DON'T HAVE HAVE TO REPORT IT AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT GIFTS THAT FROM RELATIVES AND FRIENDS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT'S $300 IN THE QUARTER, I BELIEVE.

I'LL LOOK THAT UP.

I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE CALENDAR YEAR.

CALENDAR YEAR.

SO WHAT I MEAN, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

SO AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU SUPPOSED OR OH, THAT RIGHT STREET, IF YOU'RE PLAYING QUARTER REPORTS WHEN YOU WAIT UNTIL YOU'VE HAD RIGHT.

301 TO PUT IT ON OR A QUARTER REPORT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.

AND THEN YOU'RE REFERENCING STUFF FROM Q1 AND Q2 AND YOUR Q3 REPORT.

YEAH, THERE'S NOT AN ANSWER TO THAT.

HERE'S THE SAFE ANSWER.

JUST GO 12 MONTHS BACK IN TIME CUZ THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS AND REPORT IT.

IF IF THE NEXT QUARTER YOU'RE NOT HITTING THAT $300 MARK, I THINK THE SAFE ANSWER IS YOU DIDN'T HIT IT IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS FROM THE DAY YOU, YOU KNOW, THE END OF THE REPORTING PERIOD.

SO YOU'RE OUT, YOU'RE OUTSIDE OF THAT REQUIREMENT OF DAKOTA, THE CITY.

IS THIS THE FISCAL YEAR OR THE CALENDAR YEAR? THE QUARTERLY REPORTS ARE, AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE DATES, THE DATES ARE ON HERE, UH, THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE THESE REPORTS.

IT'S ON A, UH, FISCAL YEAR.

NO, EXCUSE ME, IT'S ON A CALENDAR YEAR THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT, UH, EVEN THOUGH THE CITY'S ON A FISCAL YEAR.

SO SO THE 300 THRESHOLD IS THE CALENDAR YEAR THOUGH? YES.

365 THRESHOLD.

YEAH.

$300 WITHIN A YEAR.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS JUST THE EASY BUTTON IS JUST 12 MONTHS BACK FROM WHEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TO REPORT.

IF YOU DO IT THAT WAY, YOU'RE COVERED.

WHETHER IT'S THE FISCAL YEAR OR THE CALENDAR YEAR, THAT TRAILING YEAR IS JUST, IT'S FOLLOWING YOU.

AND THAT'S HOW THE CODE READS.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO COVER YOUR BUTTONS, DO IT WITH BOTH, AGAIN, YOU THROW THE TICKETS OR WHATEVER IT IS IN THE SHOEBOX, YOU THROW IT ON A LIST, YOU'RE COVERED.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS SO I KNOW EXACTLY THE PROCESS.

YEAH, IT'S UNNECESSARILY COMPLICATED TO DO IT AS A QUARTERLY BASIS WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE KEEPING TRACK OF THE ANNUAL AMOUNTS.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT NEEDED

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TO HAPPEN.

THAT JUST CHANGED IN THE LAST YEAR, RIGHT? YEAH.

OR TWO YEARS.

IT'S BEEN RECENTLY AND IT'S NOT, AND AND QUITE FRANKLY, NONE OF THESE TICKETS GO IN A SHOEBOX CAUSE THEY'RE ALL DIGITAL, THEY'RE ALL RECEIVED IN EMAILS.

I HAVE A FOLDER I DUMPED THEM ALL INTO.

BUT IT, IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE.

I MEAN, FINDING OUT HOW MUCH THEY'RE WORTH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE IS PARKING INCLUDED IS THE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO THE LOUNGE.

I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES OF THIS THAT DON'T RESULT IN TICKETS.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE BEING ASKED TO COME TO AN, AN EVENT TO FILL A SEAT IN A TABLE.

WELL THE TABLE WAS $10,000 FOR SOME SPONSOR, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT IT, IT'S NOT LIKE, COOL HERE'S 20 BUCKS.

IT'S LIKE, PUT THIS STUFF IN, YOU KNOW, RECEIPTS FOR TAXES IN THE BOX.

AND THAT WASN'T A QUESTION.

YEAH.

APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YEAH.

A QUESTION OF MINE, CUZ YOU HAVE ON HERE ACCEPTING LIKE SEEK TO A CHARITABLE EVENT.

IS THE REPORTING ABOUT THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OR THE INFLATED EVENT FOR THAT IS A, IS A GOOD QUESTION.

AND IS THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF ANY ONE OF THESE GUYS? I MEAN, I WOULD BE THINKING ALSO A LAWYER.

SO I WOULD BE THINKING ALONG THE LINES OF DONOR, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUY A $10,000 TABLE, BUT THEY ALWAYS TELL YOU THE FAIR MARKET VALUE IF FOR 10 SEATS IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS, A HUNDRED DOLLARS A SEAT, WHAT WOULD A WHAT WOULD A, UM, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO REPORT? CAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT THE VALUE OF THE DONATION.

THE DONATION WAS MADE BY WHOEVER BOUGHT THE TABLE AND INVITED THE COMMISSION ARTS BREAKFAST EVERY YEAR.

THAT'S ONE.

WE CAN DO SOME RESEARCH ON THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TEXAS ETHICS COMMISSION.

THEY MAY HAVE AN OPINION ON IT AND I WILL GET BACK WITH THE COMMISSION.

WELL, BY AND LARGE, I, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I THINK IT'S ALL OF US.

WHEN WE HAVE AN AN INVITATION THAT WE WANNA EXTEND TO THE COMMISSION, WE USUALLY SEND IT TO THE OFFICE AND ASK THEM TO DISTRIBUTE IT TO THE COMMISSION EVENLY.

LIKE, HERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHO WANTS TO COME AND WE KIND OF COUNT ON YOU GUYS TO KEEP US OUT OF TROUBLE AND NOT EXTEND THE INVITATION TO ANYTHING THAT WOULDN'T BE APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ATTEND.

SO TRUE.

BUT I GET A LOT OF OFFERS AND I'M SURE YOU ALL DO DIRECTLY FROM GROUPS, RIGHT? OFFERING THE TICKETS THAT DOESN'T COME THROUGH THE YEAH.

AND TALK TO, UH, MR. BEAVERS, HE'S THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AND ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION, OBVIOUSLY.

AND THE ONE THING, ONE THING HE SAID IS TELL 'EM WHEN TICKETS ARE INVOLVED, DON'T DO IT ON YOUR OWN.

GET SOME HELP.

IT, IT MUST, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME COMPLEXITY GOING ON HERE WITH THE THINGS YOU'VE DESCRIBED, BUT IN THE END, YOU GOTTA MAKE THE REPORT.

THAT'S WHAT THE CODE SAYS.

NOW I JUST GOT HERE IN JULY, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY CHANGED IT.

I DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY.

UH, BUT THEY DO.

BUT THEN THERE ARE THE EVENTS THAT THE OAC WILL BUY A TABLE FOR SOMETHING AND INVITE CERTAIN NUMBERS TO ATTEND.

THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPORTED IF THE OAC HAS PURCHASED IT RIGHT.

OR BEEN GIVEN IT.

BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'VE PURCHASED IT OR BEEN GIVEN.

UH, THIS IS JUST WAY MORE, WE'VE HAD YOUR REPORT MORE THAN ONCE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION.

AND IT'S WAY MORE COMPLICATED AS YOU'RE REPORTING IT THAN IT'S EVER BEEN BEFORE, IS MY PERCEPTION.

AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT'S FEELING THAT WAY? SO ALWAYS MOREALLY IT'S THE SAME, BUT THEY'RE JUST A LOT MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT A LOT MORE QUESTIONS NOW.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT.

YEAH, IT SEEMS ABOUT THE SAME.

I TAKE, I DEFER TO COMMISSIONER HAMOS EXPLANATIONS.

BETTER, BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT.

YES.

THIS IS THE QUARTERLY ELEMENT OF IT IS MAKING IT, AND FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE THERE YET, BUT I HAVE A QUARTERLY GIFT DISCLOSURE REPORT PULLED UP HERE, WHICH WE RECEIVED ON THE 27TH OF APRIL WITH THREE DAYS DUE DATE NOTICE, BY THE WAY, DID ANYONE FILL OUT THIS FORM AND, AND, AND SUBMIT IT? OKAY.

THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.

.

WELL, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT THAT WAS $300.

I I FELT LIKE MAYBE I, BUT IT SAYS YOU MUST REPORT WHETHER OR NOT YOU RECEIVED ANY GIFT.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM AN EMAIL THAT WE GOT FROM ANNE-MARIE ON DAY TO APRIL 23RD.

, I JUST, WE DON'T HAVE TO, WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE AND WENT TO THE CODE AND THE WAY THE CODE, I CAN SEE WHY YOU WERE TOLD THAT, BUT I, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT THE CODE SAYS IS WHETHER IF, IF YOU DIDN'T GET ANY GIFTS THAT ARE REPORTABLE, YOU HAVE TO FILE THE QUARTERLY REPORT.

THE REASON IT'S CONFUSING IS THAT IT REFERS TO SUBSECTION A FROM THE OFFICE, BUT SUBSECTION A APPLIES TO CITY OFFICIALS.

THAT'S YOU.

I JUST TRIED TO GO TO THE, THE LINK YOU HAD IN THE, IN THE THING AND IT'S 4 0 4 NOT FOUND.

RIGHT.

SO, SO, SO I JUST AGAIN, WANNA ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL ON THE 27TH OF APRIL WITH THE REPORTING FORM TELLING US WE NEED TO FILL IT OUT.

BUT I CLICKED ON THAT FORM TO FILL IT OUT AND IT IS NOT FILLED.

ALL OF THE, ALL THE FORM FIELDS ARE OFF.

I'M NOT ABLE TO ENTER AN AD, UH, A DATE THAT WORKS

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EVEN AFTER BEING GIVEN THE FORMAT AND TRY, I I COULDN'T GET PAST LITERALLY THE FIRST BOX.

THE BOXES ARE ALL COMPLETELY OFF THE FORM AND MANY OF THEM ARE, ARE OFF EVEN VIEWABLE AREA.

SO I, I WROTE AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT.

I'M KEEPING IN MIND, THIS IS THE END OF ARTS MONTH, HARBOR DAY, EARTH DAY MONTH.

LITERALLY THE BUSIES BUSIEST WEEK OF THE YEAR FOR ME PERSONALLY.

UM, BUT ON MAY THE THIRD, SINCE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FELONIES POTENTIALLY BEING INVOLVED HERE, I'M JUST GOING ON THE RECORD MM-HMM.

THAT I TRIED TO FILL THIS FORM OUT IN THE VERY LIMITED TIME I HAD, WAS UNABLE TO DO SO, ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND YET IT'S WORKING NOW.

YEAH, THAT'S INTERESTING.

SO ANOTHER WAY TO ACCESS, BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY, LET'S SAY THAT LINK STOPS WORKING, UH, THAT'S THE LINK THAT I USED A FEW DAYS AGO.

BUILDING THIS DECK.

UH, GO TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S WEBSITE.

IT, THEY HAVE AN ETHICS PAGE AND YOU SHOULD FIND A LINK TO ALL THESE FORMS ON THERE.

AND I'M GONNA SHOW YOU A PICTURE.

IF WE GET A VANTAGE SLIDE, I'LL SHOW YOU A PICTURE ON, ON THIS SLIDE, WHAT I CIRCLED AND READ.

THAT'S THE REPORT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.

THAT'S THE WEB.

AND THEN ON THE RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT THE REPORT SHOULD LOOK LIKE.

SO IF YOU GET SOME REPORT THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT, YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG, UH, GO.

NEXT SLIDE.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT, UH, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A SWORN REPORT, SO I WANNA, UH, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HEAR ME DOWN IN THE CORNER.

SIR.

HOLD ON SECOND.

OKAY.

CAN I, SO I WAS GIVEN DIFFERENT DIRECTION BY THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE AND THIS IS A NEW GIFT POLICY.

SO I APOLOGIZE IF THERE ARE CONFLICTING MESSAGE BECAUSE AS THIS POLICY IMPLEMENTATION HAS ROLLED OUT, I HAVE EVEN BEEN GETTING CONFLICTING MESSAGES FROM VARIOUS UM, PEOPLE.

AND SO I WOULD UM, LIE ON, I APOLOGIZE.

I REALLY FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WHEN THEY SAID IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE NOTARIZED, THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE NOTARIZED.

BUT NOW I AM ALSO LEARNING DIFFERENT.

SO I APOLOGIZE IF I PASS ON INCORRECT INFORMATION, BUT SO I'M SAYING IT HAS TO BE NOTARIZED.

THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT IS NOT BECAUSE I READ THAT IN THE CODE.

IT'S CAUSE IT'S ON THE FORM CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE ON NOTARY.

SO ONE QUICK QUESTION IS, IS THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILE A REPORT IS INCORRECT? IF YOU TAKE NO GIVE YOU STILL HAS TO FOLLOW A REPORT.

YES.

AND YOU CAN READ THAT IN, I'M JUST SAYING IT MIGHT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP EMAIL FROM THE ONE THAT WE GOT.

THAT SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

I WILL FOLLOW UP AS I LEARNED THIS INFORMATION TODAY FROM MR. OKAY.

AND I APOLOGIZE THAT 30 MINUTES LEFT IN A MEET IN AN EVENT THAT I ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO ATTEND AND I'M AFRAID THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA LOSE QUORUM HERE WHEN QUORUM FOR INFO.

OKAY, WELL THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME.

I'LL COME BACK IF, IF YOU NEED MORE SOME TIME.

I THINK WE NEED MORE TO COME TO OUR RETREAT JULY WHEN WE GET YOUR CHILD JULY.

YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION, YOUR NAME AND YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION.

YES.

MY NAME IS BARON WITH ONE R, LIKE THE RED BARON.

MY LAST NAME IS ELIASON.

I SUGGEST E L I A S O N AND EMAIL IS BARON DOT ELIASON AT DALLAS DOCO.

GOT IT.

WE'LL MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW UP WITH ALL OF THAT AND AION TO THE FEBRUARY EMAIL.

AND DOES THE CITY PROVIDE A NOTARY? I BELIEVE THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE DOES.

I WILL ASK THEM.

THEY SOMETIMES CAN DO EMAIL BUT I WILL CALL THEM AND ASCERTAIN AND PASS ON THIS IF WE PAY FOR OUR OWN NOTARY.

DO WE GET TO DE DEDUCT IT FROM ALL ? MY BANK DOES IT FOR FREE.

WELL I PAY FOR ALL ANYWAY.

I'LL SAY I DIDN'T DO I AM SINCE YOU ARE AND CATCH RHONDA.

SHE'S ALSO A NOTARY AND WE GETTING OFFICE STAFF GET NOTARIZED.

SO JUST TO WRAP IT UP, I'VE GOT FOUR QUESTIONS.

I'LL FOLLOW UP AND I WILL GIVE THE ANSWERS TO YOU, YOU ALL AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? PROBABLY JUST THAT I THINK IT'S HARD TO TO NOTARIZE WHEN YOU DID NOT TAKE A SINGLE SHIFT AT ALL.

ALL YEAR YOU HAVE TO WRITE A REPORT AND IT'S NOTARIZED IT SEEMED FOUR TIMES A YEAR.

IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW.

YEAH, IT SEEMS IT SEEMS LESS APPRECIATIVE

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OF OUR VOLUNTARY TIME.

YES.

IF WE'RE HAVING TO DO ALL THESE THINGS WHEN WE HAVE DONE, LET'S NOT TAKING A SINGLE TAKE IT UP WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE YOU GO.

I THINK YEAH, BECAUSE MOST OF US, I MEAN MANY OF US IN THIS ROOM DON'T DO THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE APPEARANCE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

WE SIMPLY DO NOT TAKE THOSE GIFTS WHEN THEY'RE OFFERED.

I BUY MY OWN TICKETS.

I DO NOT TAKE THEM.

UM, UH, JUST AT THE RISK OF THE ROOM EMPTYING BEFORE THE LAST CAN MOVE TWO COMMISSION ON ADJO.

I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

CAN WE MOVE ON? YEAH.

COUPLE ITEMS HERE.

OKAY.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON ON OUR AGENDA AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE RETREAT COMING UP IN JULY.

YEAH.

WE MAY HAVE A LIST OF QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

NO, I'D BE HAPPY TO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE DO HAVE COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE SUBMITTED LIAISON REPORTS AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN CIRCULATED.

IS THAT CORRECT? THEY'RE IN THIS ISSUES NIGHT.

GET OUT YOUR EMAIL.

SO I'M GOING TO SEND THAT OUT TO COMMISSION LATER THIS EVENING OR STRAIGHT TOMORROW FOR ME.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

I YOU WILL GET THAT SHEET.

OKAY.

IF YOU DO HAVE ONE YOU HAVE NOT DONE, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT TURNED IN.

UH, THE NEXT BULLET IS TALKING ABOUT THE TWO AD HOC COMMITTEES THAT WERE ANNOUNCED AND WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT CALLED IN TO RESPOND TO YOUR INTEREST BY MAY 1ST.

AND I THINK EACH OF YOU WHO'S ON THOSE COMMITTEES HAS BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT THE FIRST MEETING DAYS IS COMING UP.

IS THAT CORRECT? PLEASE? EVERYBODY'S DOWN THE LETTER.

YES.

UH, NOTIFIED ABOUT THE ANNUAL REPORTS COMMITTEE.

RIGHT.

AS WELL AS WELL I'VE BEEN INFORMED ABOUT UH, FAR CULTURAL PLAN EQUITY COMMISSION.

OKAY.

AND IF SOME OF YOU STILL FEEL NEGLECTED, YOU WANNA BE ON THAT COMMITTEE, GET ME BY EMAIL OR GIVE ME A CALL.

WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET YOU PLACED.

AND I THINK THE FIRST MEETING IS COMING UP NEXT WEEK.

YEAH.

AND YOUR REPORT AD HOC COMMITTEE? IT'S MAY 24TH.

MAY 24TH.

AND FOR SOCIAL PLAN EQUITY IT IS JUNE 8TH.

JUNE 8TH.

OKAY.

AND MR. HALO? YES.

YOU WANNA TELL US BRIEFLY ABOUT YOUR PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT WORKSHOP? SURE.

ON APRIL 18TH, I ATTENDED THE CONSULTATION AND COLLABORATION, A STARTING POINT FOR MUSEUMS AND INDIGENOUS TRIBES WORKSHOPS THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE BULLOCK MUSEUM OF TEXAS STATE HISTORY.

I WANTED TO ATTEND THIS IN LIGHT OF, UH, LOCAL NATIVE AMERICAN ARTISTS FILING COMPLAINTS AGAINST ANOTHER DALLAS ARTS ORGANIZATION ABOUT THEIR SCULPTURE.

THEY GIFTED THE CITY OF DALLAS MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO.

A SCULPTURE REALIZED THROUGH PRIVATE FUNDS AND WITH THE INPUT OF SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEMBERS, INCLUDING MEMBERS OF LAKOTA TRIBE BECAUSE TDOT PROJECTS ACCOUNT FOR 40% OF PERMITTED ARCHEOLOGICAL EXCAVATIONS IN TEXAS.

THEY DECIDED THEY NEEDED TO CONSULT WITH THE NATIVE AMERICAN COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LIKELIHOOD OF EXHUMING THEIR ARTIFACTS WAS GREAT.

IT WAS CRITICAL THAT THEY MADE SURE THAT THE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY WAS BROUGHT IN FOR CONSULTATION AND COLLABORATION.

ESPECIALLY SOME PIECES DISCOVERED MIGHT BE IN NEED OF REPATRIATION.

TECH STOCK WORKS WITH 28 FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED TRIBAL NATIONS AS PART OF THE FEDERAL HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCESS.

THE TEXAS AND TRIBES SHARE TRADITIONS PUBLICATION, WHICH I'M PASSING AROUND, CAME INTO BEING BECAUSE THE TRIBES REQUESTED THAT TEXDOT MAKE THE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR PRESENCE IN TEXAS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

THE WORKSHOP IMPARTED ON US HOW THEY DO IT AND WHAT KEY STEPS TO FOLLOW WHEN MUSEUMS WERE FACED WITH DEALING WITH ARTIFACTS IN THEIR COLLECTION OR WHEN ACQUIRING NEW PIECES.

WE ALSO PARTICIPATED IN ACTIVITIES AND HAD ONE OF THEIR WORKSHOP TRIBAL ADVISORS PRESENT.

SHE SHARED ABOUT HER LIFE, WHAT SHE PRESENTLY DOES, AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.

THE WORKSHOP WAS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS MUSEUMS, BUT IT CLEARLY OFFERED KEY METHODS OF WORKING WITH TRIBES AND HOW WE CAN ENRICH THE MUSEUM EXPERIENCES.

ANY EXPERIENCES THROUGH COLLABORATIVE INTERPRETATIONS.

IT CERTAINLY WILL ASSESS US IN OUR CITY PLANS TO DEVELOP A CULTURAL CHECKS AND BALANCES FOR FUTURE PROJECTS IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT DISRESPECT ANYONE OR VILIFY IN THE INDIVIDUAL OR ARTS ORGANIZATION.

WE MUST MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DESIGN IS EQUITABLE, FAIR AND SACRED TO CREATIVE EXPRESSION.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTION OR COMMENTS, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT YOU CONTACT HIM AFTER THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS AND HE'S PASSING AROUND HANDOUTS THAT HE RECEIVED AT, UM, THAT'S MY LAST UPDATE.

WELL, ANYTHING ELSE THAT I HAVE TO SAY IS LISTED ON THE UPCOMING MEETINGS AND EVENTS.

MY TEAM, THIS IS YOUR TIME, RIGHT.

STAFF UPDATE

[02:10:03]

OUR CAPITAL AND FACILITIES MANAGER, NIKKI CHRISTMAS, UM, HAS MOVED ON TO SERVE AS INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OFFICE.

AND THAT INTERIM APPOINTMENT ASSIGNMENT BEGAN YESTERDAY.

OH, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT SHE OVERSAW FUNDRAISING FOR THE REHABILITATION OF THE JUANITA J CRAFT HOUSE THAT'S OPENING ON SET TODAY.

UM, MAYBE SUPPORTED CULTURAL FACILITIES, BOND PROJECTS 2017 AND HAS HELPED PREPARE FOR THE 2024 BOND PREVIOUSLY ACROSS THE CITY.

SHE SERVED IN EQUIPMENT AND BUILDING SERVICES IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

UM, AND OF COURSE WITH US IN O A C.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UH, RELATED TO FACILITIES AND OR THE BOND PROGRAM IN NIKKI'S TRANSITION, PLEASE CONTACT ASSISTANT DIRECTOR BENJAMIN.

UM, WE WILL BE ONBOARDING AS FAR AS OTHER STAFF UPDATES, JUST GENERAL UPDATES.

WE'LL BE ONBOARDING, UM, A PIO O SOON.

UM, AND SO WE'LL BE EXCITED TO SHARE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT WHEN WE RECONVENE NEXT MONTH.

UM, CANDIDATE SHOULD BE IN PLACE BY THEN AND WE'LL OF COURSE WE'LL SEND AN EMAIL ANNOUNCEMENT, UM, AS SOON AS WE CAN AHEAD OF THAT MEETING.

BUT I ASSUME THAT THE NEXT TIME WE GET TOGETHER, UM, WE'LL HAVE THAT PRESENCE, UM, FOR OUR SENIOR P I O.

WE'LL BE THRILLED ABOUT THAT.

UM, I DON'T THINK I NEED TO SKIP OVER AT ANY RATE.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ON, WE HAVE OUR COMMISSION RETREAT TO AS PLANNED AND SCHEDULED THURSDAY, JULY 13TH.

HALF A DAY IN THE MORNING WILL BE HELD AT THANKSGIVING SQUARE.

UM, IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCATION, WE CHOSE A LOCATION BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL HAD THEIR RETREAT THERE.

SO WHY NOT US? UM, WELL PUBLICIZED ONE.

YEAH, I HAVE QUESTION.

YEAH, I NOTICED THAT IT'S NOT AN OBLIGATORY MEETING.

UM, AND HAVE WE CHECKED TO SEE HOW MANY COMMISSIONERS ARE ACTUALLY IN TOWN THAT WEEK? I WON'T BE THERE BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY FLYING BACK TWICE TO DO COMMISSION WORK IN THE MONTH OF JULY.

SO A THIRD ONE I'M JUST NOT GONNA MAKE BUT LET AT LEAST ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'LL HAVE YOU CHECKED.

OKAY.

BECAUSE TYPICALLY WE ARE OFF IN JULY EXCEPT FOR THE ALLOCATIONS COMMITTEE.

MM-HMM.

AND THOSE OF US ON THE IONS COMMITTEE EITHER PLAN OUR TRAVEL OR PLAN TO BE BACK IN TOWN FOR THAT.

AND SO A THIRD MEETING IS PROBLEMATIC.

ISN'T THAT TAKE A VOTE? I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I WON'T BE HERE IN JULY.

THERE THE SURVEY FORM THAT WE ALL OH, I DIDN'T FILL OUT THE SURVEY.

I WAS TOO BUSY.

OKAY.

MY BAD.

YEAH, WE ALL, YEAH, YOU CAN PUT ME DOWN AS RESPONDING.

I WON'T BE THERE AND I'M SO SORRY.

I HATE TO MISS IT.

IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK I CAN MAKE ONE MORE TRIP BACK.

NO PROBLEM.

SO BREAKFAST AND LUNCH WILL BE PROVIDED AND THIS RETREAT COUNTS AS A SPECIAL CALL MEETING.

SO IF YOU ABSENT IT DOES NOT COUNT AS COUNT YOU.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

I'M SO SORRY I DID NOT ANSWER THE SURVEY.

YES.

DOES IT MEAN IT'S A FREE FOR ALL AND WE CAN ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT OR DO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW A STRICT AGENDA TOO? DOES IT HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED? DOES OUR AGENDA HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED? YES.

SINCE IT IS A MEETING OF THIS BODY, WE, WE HAVE TO PUBLISH AN AGENDA IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC TOPICS.

UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU'VE SEEN OUR AGENDA'S GOT MORE AND MORE DETAIL BECAUSE THE ATTORNEYS ARE LIKE, YOU HAVE TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO PLEASE SHARE THAT WITH LUIS AND MADAM CHAIR MARTINE.

AND UM, WE WILL ON MAKING SURE THAT VERBIAGE IS ADDED.

I APOLOGIZE.

WE JUST HAVE TO ENFORCE AND UPHOLD TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT FOR THE CITY.

SO IT'S STILL A PUBLIC MEETING? IT IS STILL A PUBLIC MEETING.

WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A QUO.

YES.

WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM AND WE STILL HAVE TO NOTICE IT WHEN STILL HAVE TO, WHEN DOES THAT AGENDA SET? SO WHEN DO YOU NEED THINGS FROM US? OKAY.

WE MAY LIKE TO ADD.

WE STILL, WE CAN ADVANCE, WE, WE REQUEST CUZ THE ATTORNEYS NEED TO REVIEW IT AND GO BACK AND FORTH.

WELL, LUIS, FOR MANY ROUNDS IS THERE A VIRTUAL, AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENT REMOTELY OR IS IT WE'LL WORK ON MAKING THAT POSSIBLE.

AND I'M GONNA LOOK AT BRIAN HOPE THAT BRIAN NOT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS MEETING AND ANY OF OUR OTHER MEETINGS? IT'S A RETREAT, SO IT'S SPECIAL MEETING.

WE HAVEN CHAT.

YEAH.

SHARE IDEAS, BUT IT GETS HAVE REPORT.

HAVE TO REPORT THAT.

YES.

IS THAT, AND WE HAVE A NOTARY AND WE HAVE TO REPORT.

I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T HAVE THE POWER TO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL FOR ME.

I THINK WE'RE CLOSE.

LOSING THE CORE.

YES.

OUR BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN CONSIDERED TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND I CALLED THIS MEETING ADJOURNED AT 6:59 PM THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SAFE.