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[Dallas Park and Recreation Board Special Session on June 8, 2023.]
CONVENE OUR SPECIALLY CALLED PARK AND RECREATIONS BOARD MEETING TOMORROW THAT I THINK WE KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THIS TODAY IS TO, UH, DISCUSS OUR BOND PRIORITIES AND TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.SO I, UH, OVER THE FLOOR TO, UH, IS CHRIS GOING TO BE HERE? THERE SHE IS.
AND WELCOME CHRIS, WE ARE READY FOR YOU.
AND UH, CHRIS, WE ALREADY CALLED THE MEETING ORDER YOU.
YEAH, MEETING HAS BEEN CALLED TO ORDER.
I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE WAITING ON THE DESK.
I KNOW YOU WERE TRYING TO GATHER STUFF.
YEAH, SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR COMING THIS MORNING TO SPECIAL CALL MEETING.
UM, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR PRELIMINARY PROJECT LISTS AND BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA BRIEFLY REVIEW THE NEEDS INVENTORY SCORING CRITERIA.
THIS IS REALLY HERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
MORE THAN ANYTHING, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR PRELIMINARY FUNDING PER CATEGORY, OUR POTENTIAL FUNDING PER CATEGORY BASED ON THE SAME PERCENTAGES THAT WE UTILIZED FOR OUR PRELIMINARY FUNDING.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT OUR PARK BOARD FUNDING PER CATEGORY, OUR PRELIMINARY LIST FOR PLAYGROUNDS, RECREATION CENTERS, GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, TENNIS CENTER, IMPROVEMENTS FOR TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND OUR NEXT STEPS, BEFORE I EVEN FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS MEETING AND WE
SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO IS SET UP A FUNDING SCENARIO FOR 400 MILLION FUNDING SCENARIO.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE IT VERY CLEAR UP FRONT, OUR MAIN GOAL TODAY IS TO GET FUNDING PER CATEGORY NAILED DOWN AND COME TO CONSENSUS ON THAT TODAY.
IF WE CAN GET THROUGH PLAYGROUNDS, REC CENTERS, GOLF CENTERS, ET CETERA, THAT'S A BIG BONUS.
BUT WE REALLY WANNA TALK ABOUT THE INVENTORIES A LITTLE BIT AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT, UM, NUMBER IN THOSE BUCKETS.
WELL, AS I SAID, I LEFT THE SCORING CRITERIA IN HERE FOR YOUR REFERENCE SO THAT IF YOU'RE SEEING SCORES ON SOME OF THESE, UM, LISTS THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU CAN COME BACK THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA, CITY COUNCIL, PARK BOARD CRITERIA AND THE CRITERIA TO TALK ABOUT THOSE.
SO YOU'VE SEEN THIS INFORMATION NOT NECESSARILY PRESENTED IN THIS WAY, BUT THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION AND THE SAME LIST THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING IN OUR BUCKETS WITH THE ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT AT 30 MILLION ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING AT 12 MILLION.
THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE SAME AMOUNTS AT THIS 719.7 MILLION.
IT'S SHOWING IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER, IT'S CALLED AGENCY MATCHES AND WE PUT IT IN HERE, BROUGHT SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION.
AND THOSE TYPE OF AGENCY MATCHES ARE THINGS LIKE DALLAS COUNTY, THEY'RE THINGS LIKE D I S D FOR THE COOL SCHOOLS PROGRAMS. YES, THEY'RE THINGS LIKE U N T DALLAS WHO'S APPROACHED US ABOUT DOING SOME SOCCER FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE REALIZED AS WE WERE ACTUALLY AT A, AT AN AGENCY MEETING YESTERDAY THAT WE HAD NO CATEGORY IN THERE FOR THIS.
SO WE PUT IT IN HERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AT SEVEN AND A HALF MILLION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING NOTES TO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ADDED.
SO WHAT WE DID IN THE NEXT SLIDE IS BASICALLY PUT THIS OUT HERE BY PERCENTAGE.
WE TOOK 700 AND UM, IT'S 19.7 MILLION DIVIDED ALL THE DOLLAR VALUES WHEN IT CAME UP WITH THESE PERCENTAGES.
AND WE DID THIS STRICTLY TO COME UP WITH A STARTING POINT FOR THE NEXT SLIDE.
WHAT THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS ARE BASICALLY FUNDING AMOUNTS.
IF WE TOOK THOSE SAME PERCENTAGES FROM THE PREVIOUS SLIDE AND WE APPLIED THEM TO 450.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT WOULD LEAVE ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT
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IMPROVEMENT AT 18.76 MILLION ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING.AND I BASICALLY STARTED AT THE TOP, AND I'M GOING CLOCKWISE AROUND THIS PIE.
SO ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT IS ORANGE AT THE TOP AT 18.76.
ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING 7.5 IN GRAY COMMUNITY POOLS 27.1, EROSION CONTROL, 6.25 GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, 19.7, LAND ACQUISITION, 15.63, MASTER PLAN 6.25.
MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL SHARED USE FACILITIES, 28.14 MANDATORY IN INDOOR POOLS, 28.14.
AND YOU CAN KIND OF GO AROUND THE REST OF THE PIE HERE TO SEE HOW THAT ALL BROKE ITSELF OUT.
I THINK PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST NOTABLE BASED ON SOME OF THE DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD SO FAR IS ON THE BOTTOM PART OF THE PIE YOU CAN SEE PLAYGROUNDS, UM, WENT DOWN TO 6.57 MILLION IN THIS SCENARIO.
RECREATION CENTERS ARE STILL THE BIGGEST PART OF THE PIE AND A HUNDRED 0.04 MILLION.
AND THEN BASICALLY OUR SECOND BIGGEST PART OF THE PIE IS OUR PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT AT 62.53 MILLION.
THAT'S WHAT WE PREVIOUSLY HAD THAT A HUNDRED MILLION SET ASIDE FOR ALL THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
SO REALLY, AS I SAID, THIS WAS TO JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU A STARTING POINT TO SHOW YOU A SCENARIO OF WHAT THIS PIE COULD LOOK LIKE.
NOW, WHAT WE REALLY NEED THIS COMMITTEE AND THIS BODY TO DO.
YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT TWO SLIDES THAT YOU HAVE HERE, YOU, YOUR NEXT TWO SLIDES HAVE THESE CATEGORIES LISTED OUT AS WE'VE BEEN HAVING 'EM KIND OF IN A TABLE FORM WITH BLANKS BEHIND THEM.
THIS WAS SO WE COULD HAVE SCRATCH PAPER TO WRITE THINGS DOWN, TO PUT NUMBERS HERE, TO CHANGE THEM, TO MODIFY THEM.
BUT IT HAS BASICALLY ALL THE CATEGORIES THAT WE HAD LISTED.
AND BASICALLY OUR BOTTOM LINE, WE HAVE A CITYWIDE PROJECT AND THEN WE HAVE OUR PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PROJECTS.
AND OUR TOTAL PARK AND RECREATION NUMBER NEEDS TO COME UP TO 450.
SO THAT IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GO.
FIRST OF ALL THIS MORNING, IT'S TO GET YOUR INPUT ON WHAT NEEDS, WHEN DID THAT FOUR 50 MILLION AT EACH ONE OF THESE BUCKETS THAT WE ARE OPEN TO ANY INPUT.
SO, UH, I THINK, UH, AS WE START DISCUSSION, WE'LL I THINK WE'LL TRY TO FOLLOW 3, 2 2 SO THAT WE GET, UH, YOU KNOW, FIRST, UH, ROUND THREE THEN TWO TWO.
SO WITH THAT, I OPENED THE CLOSE WITH MS.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT FOUR 50 CAME FROM.
IS THAT JUST CUZ WE WERE LAST, LAST PRESENTATION, WE GOT SOMETHING LIKE A SEVEN, IT WAS LIKE A STEP DOWN APPROACH.
IT'S FOUR 50 SORT OF THE NUMBER WE FEEL LIKE IT'S ATTAINABLE OR WANT ME CHECK IN.
SO WHEN I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PRESIDENT AGARWAL AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT 719 AND THEN COMING UP WITH A SCENARIO, KIND OF BRINGING IT DOWN TO SIX.
AND SO WE THOUGHT WE, BUT WE'D TRY TO START WITH MORE OF A REALISTIC NUMBER THAT WE CAN DRILL DOWN FROM.
OBVIOUSLY WE KNEW THAT SEVEN 19 WAS A PIE IN THE SKY.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF THROUGH OUR CONVERSATION STARTING AT THE FOUR 50, KNOWING EVEN THEN THAT'S STILL A STRETCH, BUT BEING ABLE TO COME DOWN FROM THERE.
THE THOUGHT AND MIND BEING, IF WE GET MORE, IT WOULD JUST BE ADJUSTED FROM A PERCENTAGE STANDPOINT IF WE GET LESS BE ADJUSTED DOWN.
AND, AND MARIA, JUST TO GIVE PERSPECTIVE, I GET THE TOTAL BOND IS A BILLION DOLLARS AND THE NUMBER OF PRIORITIES, WHICH CITY HAS SET PARKS AS WELL.
700 IS A NUMBER WHICH IS DEAD ON ARRIVAL, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO YOU WANT THERE, I THINK HOW CAN WE STILL BE VERY AMBITIOUS, YOU KNOW, TAKE, UH, THIS IMAGE, THIS MOVEMENT, WHICH IS THERE IN FAVOR OF PARKS AND COME UP WITH A REALISTIC NUMBER, WHICH STILL IS AMBITIOUS AND THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER UH, RECOMMENDATION STILL, AGAIN, IT'LL DEPEND ON THE, ULTIMATELY ON THE COUNCIL HOW WE DO IT.
BUT I THINK ONCE WE GO ABOUT IT, OUR OBJECTIVE WILL BE THAT WE PUT OUR POLITICAL POWER BEHIND IT.
SO THAT COUNCIL, UM, AND THEN, UH, IMPORTANT PIECE OF THAT WAS THE PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS, UH, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS WHAT EACH OF US WOULD GET FOR OUR OWN PROJECTS WITH OUR, WITHIN OUR OWN DISTRICTS THAT WOULD NOT MEET ANY OF THESE OTHER CRITERIA.
AND THAT AGAIN, IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.
IF IT HAS NOT BEEN THAT, WHAT SHOULD BE, LET'S SAY I'M ROUNDING FOUR 50,
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WHAT SHOULD BE AS A BODY WE DECIDE IS FOR THE CITY-WIDE PROJECTS AND WHAT IS FOR THE DISTRICT-WIDE PROJECTS, DO WE START WITH THAT? OR WE START WITH THE DISTRICT, UH, THAT THAT ALL IS, YOU KNOW, UP FOR DISCUSSION TO DO THAT.IF WE, YOU KNOW, DO SOME SIGNATURE PROJECTS, SHOULD THEY GO INTO DISTRICT, SHOULD THEY GO INTO DISTRICT WIDE? THAT ALL IS I THINK WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS.
AND THESE ARE JUST THE GUIDELINES.
WE SO NO, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS WOULD BE IN YOUR DISTRICT.
SO YEAH, IT WILL, BUT THEN DO WE PUT THAT IN YOUR DISTRICT ATION OR WE PUT IN C RIGHT.
IT'S NOT FAIR IF WE GIVE MONEY TO THE ROOM TO PUT IT IN THE DISTRICT.
I GUESS MY QUESTION I MIGHT RESPECT IT'S BEING FROM A COMPLETELY SELFISH STANDPOINT, HOW DOES, LET'S SAY WE, YOU KNOW, WE END UP WITH 80 MILLION FOR OUR, UH, PARK SITE DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? HOW AM I GONNA GUARANTEE THAT THE ONE OR TWO PROJECTS THAT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IN MY DISTRICT ARE GONNA BE FUNDED WITHIN THAT? LIKE HOW DO WE DIVVY UP THAT MONEY IF WE DO DECIDE WHATEVER THAT CHUNK IS AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL ARRIVE AT BEFORE THIS WHOLE EXERCISE IS OVER, IF NOT TODAY, WITHIN NEXT TWO, THREE, WHAT WE ARE DOING.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE'LL BE FIRM RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BODY, WHICH WE ALL WILL ARRIVE AT, UH, DECISION AT PROVIDED TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, UM, TO MR. GARRETT HO AND HIS, UH, MEMBERS.
BUT I HAD THEM TO AGREE AND THEN, UH, AND HE, HE IS, UH, ANXIOUSLY WAITING, YOU KNOW, FOR RECOMMENDATION FROM US.
AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UH, IS THIS THE FORMAT WHERE WE'RE GONNA MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT LOWER OR HIGHER PERCENTAGES FOR EACH OF THESE BUCKETS? UH, CHRIS, YOU HAVE ANSWER FOR THAT? YES.
THIS IS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY WANNA WALK AWAY WITH TODAY IS THOSE DOLLAR VALUES AND THOSE BUCKETS.
THAT'S OUR MAIN EXERCISE FROM TODAY.
SO HOW, HOW ARE WE GONNA ACCOMPLISH THAT? ARE WE JUST GONNA GO BUCKET BY BUCKET OR DO YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THOSE NOTES? JUST A DISCUSSION PER BUCKET OR YEAH, I, I THINK, UH, WE GO BUCKET BY BUCKET.
WE DON'T LEAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING.
SO A ANYTHING ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW LANE WANTS AND ALL.
I THINK THAT, UH, FOR WANT TO, UH, LET'S DISCUSS ABOUT THE PROCESS, UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THE TRICITIES OF THE THING AND THEN WE'LL START OUR DISCUSSION.
SO LET'S KEEP THIS FIRST COUPLE OF ROUNDS ABOUT THE PROCESS.
CAUSE IF ANYTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED ON THE PROCESS, LET'S TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT.
YEAH, I HAVE THE PROCESS QUESTION.
SO IS OUR GOAL TODAY TO GET INTO VERY GRANULAR DETAIL IN ALL OF THESE, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LOOKING AT THE PLAYGROUNDS, ARE WE GONNA GO PLAY PLAYGROUND BY PLAYGROUND AND SAY THESE ARE THE 25 PLAYGROUNDS WANT TO PRIORITIZE? OR IF WE INCREASE THE PLAYGROUND DOLLARS, THESE ARE THE 30 PLAYGROUNDS, OR ARE WE JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE SHOULD HAVE X AMOUNT FOR PLAYGROUNDS AND THEN LATER ON WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT GOES IN? I THINK IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE.
UM, LIKE I SAID, OUR, OUR MAIN GOAL IS TO GET THROUGH PUTTING THE DOLLAR VALUES INTO THE BUCKETS.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT DONE, WE CAN TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND TAKE THEM BACK AND COME UP WITH SOME DIFFERENT LISTS BASED ON THE DOLLAR VALUES THAT WE HAVE IN THOSE BUCKETS.
AND THEN ALSO YOUR INPUT BASED ON YOUR NEEDS INVENTORY.
UM, I WANNA BACK UP ONE MORE STEP AND UM, SAY THAT WE SENT YOUR NEEDS INVENTORY OUT TO YOU.
I BELIEVE IT WAS TUESDAY EVENING AND HOPEFULLY YOU ALL HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT NEEDS INVENTORY.
UM, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF SCORING AND A LOT OF SCORING CHANGING AND UPDATING.
IF YOU'RE SEEING THINGS IN THAT NEEDS INVENTORY THAT STILL DOES NOT HAVE WHAT YOU VIEW OUR CORRECT SCORES, THAT'S WHY WE SENT YOU THE INTAKE LOG LAST FRIDAY TO SEND THAT INFORMATION BACK TO US.
UM, WITH CORRECTIONS, WE'VE RECEIVED A FEW CORRECTIONS FROM A FEW FOLKS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY TOO MANY.
SO IF WE HAVE CORRECTIONS THAT YOU FEEL NEED TO BE MADE, WE NEED TO GET THAT INPUT BACK FROM YOU.
UM, THE, THE TEAM HAS BEEN SCRUBBING THE DATA AS QUICKLY AND AS MUCH AS THEY CAN, BUT YOU KNOW, WE FULL WELL ADMIT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY HAVE SOME ERRORS.
THERE'S OVER 3000 LINES OF DATA IN HERE.
SO EVERY SET OF EYES THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN HELP AND LOOK AT THAT, ESPECIALLY IN YOUR DISTRICT, YOU KNOW YOUR DISTRICT MUCH BETTER THAN WE DO.
SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO WITH THAT TO, TO PROVIDE US THAT INFORMATION BACK IN THE INTAKE LOG WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.
BECAUSE ONE QUESTION WHEN YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT THE DOLLARS IN THERE, HOW WOULD, UH, WE PUT THAT DOLLAR IF THERE ARE, AND IT'S THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG SYNDROME IF WE DON'T KNOW THE COSTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF A PLAYGROUND WOULD COST ME A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR A MILLION DOLLARS.
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WANT TO REDO A PLAYGROUND WITH MY DISTRICT? ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? THE NEEDS INVENTORY DOES HAVE BASIC COSTS IN IT.A TYPICAL PLAYGROUND IS 300 TO 350,000.
WE DO HAVE SOME THAT WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE.
WE HAVE SOME THAT WILL BE LESS EXPENSIVE DEPENDING ON WHAT AMENITIES WILL BE PUT OUT THERE.
A TYPICAL PLAYGROUND IS 300 TO $350,000.
AND AS I SAID, THE NEEDS INVENTORY DATA DOES HAVE COSTS IN IT FOR THE MOST PART.
THERE ARE STILL SOME THAT WERE FILLING IN COSTS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE DO HAVE THAT DATA NEATH FOR IT.
SO IF THERE ANY COST QUESTIONS, I THINK WE CAN ASK THE STAFF ON THAT.
SO, UH, SAL THEN, UH, WELCOME TO EXPLAIN.
UM, AND I GUESS FROM A PROCESS POINT, IS IT MORE HELPFUL TO DO PERCENTAGES VERSUS THE DOLLAR DOWN TO THE HUNDREDTH? I GUESS THAT'D BE THE THOUSANDTH OF THE DOLLAR WHERE LIKE IF WE'RE SAYING MASTER PLANS AT 6.25 MILLION, IS IT MORE HELPFUL JUST FOR TO YOU ALL FOR US TO SAY LET'S JUST MAKE THAT 5 MILLION? OR WOULD YOU PREFER THE PERCENTAGE LIKE AT IT'S AT 1.3900000000000001%? IF WE MADE IT ONE, WHAT'S MORE HELPFUL? I THINK AT THE MOMENT IT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL TO HAVE A DOLLAR VALUE AND THEN WE CAN CONVERT IT BACK TO A PERCENTAGE.
IF WE NEED TO SLIDE THE SCALE UP AND DOWN.
SO A COUPLE THINGS WE DO, WE HAVE A, A GENERAL COST OF WHAT A, A RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX OR A N AUDITORIUM WOULD COST SINCE THEY'RE BOTH ON HERE AND WE HAVEN'T BUILT ONE IN A LONG TIME, WE'RE, WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT NATATORIUM TO BE ABOUT 15 MILLION A PIECE.
AND WE WERE ESTIMATING THAT RACKET SPORTS FACILITY WOULD BE ABOUT 30 MILLION.
WE HAVEN'T BUILT ONE EITHER, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT 30 MILLION.
QUESTION ON THE RACKET SPORTS.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY DOING ON EXISTING PARK LAND? IF WE DO THAT, DOES THAT INCREASE THE, THAT DECREASES THE COST FROM 30 MILLION SIGNIFICANTLY, RIGHT? YES, IT DOES.
AND LIKE ON THOSE TWO FROM A, SO WE DON'T HAVE, DO YOU HAVE SITES IDENTIFIED? BECAUSE THAT'S, FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT, THAT'S GONNA BE HELPFUL FOR US TO DISCUSS.
IF WE WANNA SPEND, WE'RE GONNA SPEND LIKE 20 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE AT DISTRICT 11 ON THE INTERNATIONAL COMMENTS, WOULD WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, MAKE A DISBURSEMENT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY FOR THESE BIG, YOU KNOW, COMPLEXES? DO YOU HAVE SITES IDENTIFIED FOR THOSE? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THE RAGG OF SPORTS COMPLEX AT RE'S.
HE'S GETTING ALL KINDS OF CASH OVER THERE.
CAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT RE'S I KNOW, BUT RE'S IS A LOGICAL PLACE.
IT COULD GO IN DISTRICT 13 TOO, BUT LOOKING FOR ONE FOR THE EQUITY STANDPOINT, WE'LL COME TO DISCUSSION.
SO MR. CONNOR, YOU HAD SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROCESS? YES.
THE, UH, SITTING IN THE, IN THE, SO I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION MS HAS, WHEN HE BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE, UM, THE, THE 700 AND AND MILLION IN CHANGE VERSUS THE HOR, THE 450 MILLION, WE'VE BEEN SITTING IN THE ROOM FOR THE BIG BOND COMMITTEE.
AND MR. DICKEY CAN, CAN, UH, AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THIS, BUT WE, WE'VE BEEN HEARING SOME PRETTY MASSIVE NUMBERS FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND I THINK THE FRUSTRATION THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE, IN THE ROOM IS, HEY, LIKE TELL US, LIKE, WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S HUGE NUMBERS, BUT TELL US LIKE BARE BONES WHAT YOU NEED.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, MR. AGRAWAL, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.
LIKE IF WE, IF WE COME TO, TO THE, TO THE BOND COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL WITH 700, 800 MILLION, IT'S JUST GONNA BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THROWN, KIND OF THROWN OUT.
LIKE IT, THIS IS A MASSIVE NUMBER.
WHAT'S A BILLION DOLLAR BOND? WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY NEED? BUT I, I WOULD PRESENT THAT NUMBER.
THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE ACT CUZ THIS IS WHAT'S COMING TO US.
THIS IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEED IS THE 750.
WE DID THE WORK TO PARE IT DOWN TO FOUR 50.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS BARE BONES WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN GET AWAY WITH.
SO IF IT DOES REDUCE BY ANOTHER 40 OR 50 MILLION, THEN THAT'S FINE.
BUT I, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THE STRATEGY.
AND I, I WOULD INCLUDE THAT AND TO JACK TO WHAT MR. CONNOR SAID, PUBLIC SAFETY GAVE THEIR NEED FOR I THINK 800 MILLION OR SO.
IF I'M NOT WRONG, I JUST READ, SO ARE THEY GOING TO GET 800 MILLION? NO.
YEAH, SO THE STRATEGY, WHAT HE'S SAYING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I THINK THE NEED INVENTORY IS PRESENTED
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BUT WITH THE ALLOCATION AT 450 MILLION.YEAH, SOME, SOMEBODY CAME IN, I CAN'T REMEMBER MR. DICKEY CA IT WAS EITHER STREETS OR IT WAS, UM, ENVIRONMENTAL OR THE FLOOD, THE, THE EROSION CONTROL, UM, THAT CAME IN AT LIKE 2 BILLION.
UM, SO, BUT I MEAN IT WAS PRETTY COMPELLING THE ARGUMENT, HEY WE NEED THE, WE NEED THE FULL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THIS AMOUNT FOR, FOR WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, DESPERATELY NEEDED.
AND I I I THINK IF WE GO IN AT FOUR 50 AND NOT THE FULL 700, WE'VE ALREADY PARED IT DOWN THAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE FOUR 50 PAIR IT WAY DOWN.
SO, SO THAT'S UH, MORE ABOUT THE PROCESS NARRATIVE OF WHEN WE PRESENTED FINALLY TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT IT SHOULD GO WITH THE FULL, FULL NEED INVENTORY ALONG WITH ALL PAID DOWN PRIORITIES FROM THAT NEED INVENTORY.
AND DID I SUBMIT CORRECT MR. CONNOR? YES SIR.
UH, DANIEL, SO I KIND OF THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, PLAYGROUNDS.
HOW MANY OF THOSE PLAYGROUNDS ON THE LIST ARE AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE? REALLY? HOW MANY, LIKE I KNOW THAT THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS SUGGESTED ON THERE FROM THAT WAS IN ENDED IN 2022, BUT THEN THERE'S SOME THAT WERE INSTALLED OR PROBABLY END OF THE, IN 1971 WHEN I WAS BORN AND THEY'RE STILL OUT THERE AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST.
SO WE'VE GOTTA REALLY LOOK AT THE LIST AND PRIORITIZE THE ONES THAT NEED FILL IN THE GAPS WHERE WE HAVE GAPS OF NEED WHERE WE NEED NEW PLAYGROUNDS AND IDENTIFY, OKAY, THERE'S 70, HOW MANY, HOW MANY PLAYGROUNDS ARE TECHNICALLY AT THE END OF THEIR LIFE THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED APPROXIMATELY ABOUT 30, 130 PLAYGROUNDS SQUARE.
DOES THAT INCLUDE THOSE ONES THAT WERE EXPIRING IN 2022 A YEAR AGO? LIKE HOW DOES A PLAYGROUND GO END OF LIFE IN ONE YEAR? WELL THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
SO WE HAVE AN ASSESSMENT OF WHEN THE PLAYGROUNDS WENT IN, THEY HAVE ROUGHLY A 15 YEAR WARRANTY GROUP TIME SPAN.
AND SO WE'RE OH, SO YOU'RE SAYING IT ENDED THEIR, THEIR WARRANTY ENDED IN 2022.
SO, BUT THOSE ON THE LIST, HOW DID THOSE BEAT OUT THE ONES THAT ENDED IN 1980? YOU KNOW, HOW DID, HOW DID THAT GET ON THE LIST? HIGHER PRIORITY.
IT'S BY, IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT LOOKING AT AGE PER SE.
IT'S CUZ THAT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE ALL BEING SCORED BY END OF SERVICE SLIDE, BUT IT'S NOT RANKING.
SO HOW DID THE ONES THAT THAT WERE BURNED DOWN AND REMOVED, THEY DIDN'T EVEN RANK ON THE LIST.
AND THEN WE HAVE, I MEAN, SO THAT'S, I UNDERSTAND THE, THE SCORING.
I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A GUIDING FACTOR BEHIND THE SCENES.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUBLISH LISTS TO SAY LIKE, YOU PUT MY PLAYGROUND ON THE DISTRICT OR ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY LIST.
PARKDALE PLAYGROUND AS THE BIGGEST NEED.
THAT PLAYGROUND IS PERFECTLY FINE.
IT'S OLD, BUT IT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
IT MIGHT NEED A SHADE STRUCTURE, BUT IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPLACED THIS TIME.
SO, BUT IT'S ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY LIST AT THE TOP.
SO HOW DO WE NOW TAKE AFTER YOU'VE PUBLISHED, OH THAT'S THE WORST PLAYGROUND IN THE CITY AND THE HIGHEST NEED IN THE CITY.
AND THEN I SAY, OH, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPLACED.
I'M GONNA GET ALL OF THE PARKDALE PO FOLKS BATING BECAUSE I DIDN'T REPLACE THEIR PLAYGROUND.
SO THE DATA NEEDS TO BE A GUIDING FACTOR FOR US, BUT ANYTIME WE PRESENT IT IN THE PUBLIC REALM, ALL OF A SUDDEN WE BECOME THE WORST ENEMY WHEN WE HAVE, CUZ WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S NEEDS ALL OVER.
BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S 130 PLAYGROUNDS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN ESTIMATE ON PLACING ALL 130 OR IF WE CAN DO HALF OF THOSE AT 60, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WOULD GET US CLOSER AND THEN ON THE NEXT BOND, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATING CAN WE ESTIMATE FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF THE BONDS.
BUT WE'VE GOTTA GET TO A POINT WHERE OUR PLAYGROUNDS ARE ONE OF OUR BIGGEST VISUAL THINGS FOR MASSES.
BECAUSE EVEN I THOUGH I DON'T HAVE KIDS AND I DON'T PLAY IN THE PLAYGROUNDS WHEN I DRIVE BY A PLAYGROUND AND IF IT'S NICE AND FANCY AND NOON, I'M HAPPY FOR THE KIDS.
SO IF WE SEE THAT UP IN THE PUBLIC REALM,
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THEY WILL, YOU KNOW, BE HIGHER.UM, I LIKE, I LIKE THE PERCENTAGES AND I LIKE, AND THE PERCENTAGE BECOME NUMBERS, RIGHT? SO IT'S UH, 10% IT BECOMES 30 MILLION OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE THING.
IF WE, IF WE, EITHER WAY WE WITH THE 30 MILLION NUMBER OR 10% AND WE DON'T GET THAT, WE DON'T GET THE DOLLARS, THE 450, SO 10% WILL BE 45 MILLION AND WE SAID WE'RE GONNA USE 45 MILLION FOR PLAYGROUNDS BECAUSE IT'S 10%, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA GET 300 MILLION AND WE'LL GO TO 30 MILLION.
DOES WE KEEP IT AT 40, 45 MILLION OR DO WE GO TO 30 MILLION? SO WE GOT, SO WE'VE GOTTA HAVE A PERCENTAGE OR A NUMBER.
IT'S GOTTA BE ONE OR TWO, RIGHT? OR IF WE'RE GONNA LOWER DOWN A NUMBER, SO GET YOUR, LET'S SAY YOU WANTED FOUR 50 AND YOU GOT THREE 50 MM-HMM
THERE'S RANKING, THESE GUYS WERE AT THE TOP, WERE LOSING 10%.
SO THE GUYS, THE ONES AT THE BOTTOM ARE ESSENTIALLY GONNA FALL ON.
SO YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND AND I'M, I'M, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH THAT.
THE PERCENTAGE IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK ABOUT COMING UP WITH A PERCENT.
MAYBE THOUGH MAYBE WE DON'T WANNA USE THAT WORD, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK WHAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS LIKE YOU MIGHT THINK THAT PLAYGROUNDS ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO YOU.
SO YOU MIGHT SAY, I'M WANNA GET A HUNDRED MILLION TO PLAYGROUNDS.
I'M GONNA SAY, WELL I'D RATHER GIVE 200 TO REC CENTERS.
SO WE'RE IN THIS MEETING GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT RIGHT THEN THAT THEN ONCE WE DECIDE ON, OKAY, WE YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR, YOU'RE GONNA GET 80, I'M GONNA GET 80.
WHAT IS THAT AS A PERCENTAGE OF THE WHOLE PIE? CORRECT.
AND, AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING TO.
AND THAT'S, AND I'M, I'M OFF FOR THE PERCENT NUMBER CAUSE THAT ACTUALLY GIVES US A REAL NUMBER WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH WHEN WE GET OUR REAL DOLLARS.
BUT SOME OF THIS STUFF'S GOTTA BE CUT OUT.
I LOVE THE RACKET THING, THE RACKET CENTER, BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, WELL THAT MIGHT NOT GET BILL, RIGHT? SO SOME OF IT'S GOTTA BE CUT OUT OF THIS LIST TODAY SO WE CAN REALLY HAVE A REAL PERCENTAGE NUMBER AND UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT ITEMS OUT.
CUZ IF OUR NUMBER GETS LOWER, IT GOES, IT WENT FROM I THINK ORIGINALLY 30 MILLION IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, NOWLEDGE THAT IT WAS AT 30 MILLION AND IT'S GONNA BE AT A FOUR 17.
BUT WHEN YOU DO THE ACTUAL NUMBER, IT DROPPED DOWN TO 18.76 OR A RECORD SPORTS COMPLEX.
AND I'M, I'M, I'M NOT PICKING ON THE RECORD SPORTS, I'M LAST TIME SPORTS GUY.
BUT WE ALSO NEED TO EVALUATE, IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT MANAGEABLE FOR OUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY NOTORI LOSE DOLLARS, THEY NOTORI LOSE DOLLARS.
IT WILL TAKE US 10 YEARS TO GET ALMOST PAID OFF IF WE CHARGE THE RIGHT DOLLAR TO USE THE FACILITY.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A REAL COST BASE ON, ON THESE CENTERS.
I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT BECAUSE I RUN ONE AND IT'S TAKEN EVERY BIT OF 12 YEARS TO MAKE A THIRD BACK OF WHAT WE INITIALLY PAID.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO THAT OTHER WINDOW WHERE OUR FACILITY'S BEEN USED.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO CAPITAL IMPROVE OUR BUILDING ON TOP OF WHAT WE DID.
SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO REALLY THINK ABOUT IS COMPLEX IS GONNA COST US IN THE LOAN RUN.
AND UNFORTUNATELY MR.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS WE ARE GOING TO GO WITH THE PERCENTAGES AND UH, NOW IT'S THE TIME TO START GOING THROUGH THE LIST AND UH, START GIVING A YES NO, GOOD, NOT GOOD THAT.
SO WITH THAT, I THINK, UH, LET'S START OUR DISCUSSIONS ON THE LIST, UH, WHICH WE HAVE.
ANYONE WANTS TO GO FIRST ON THAT MR. A I'LL ASK ONE MORE CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT YES, YES, MR. CONNOR.
SO I, I I, I LOOKED UP THE UM, UH, UH, AND I SENT YOU GUYS AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS CHRIS AS WELL.
SO IF YOU NEED TIME TO NO RESEARCH THIS.
UM, I, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE NEEDS INVENTORY BY DISTRICT AND I SEE A LOT OF, UH, EROSION CONTROL IN HERE.
UM, AND WHEN, AGAIN, SAME GROUP THAT CAME AND SPOKE TO US LAST TIME IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP, THEY HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THEIR, THEIR BUDGET WAS FOCUSED ON EROSION CONTROL ALONG CREEK BEDS LIKE DW, UM, THE, A SIGN, A SIGN PORTION OF, OF WHAT THEY WERE PRESENTING WAS OF THE 2 BILLION OR HOWEVER MUCH IT WAS, I, I'VE GOT IT IN MY NOTES, WAS EROSION CONTROL.
BUT LIKE EVEN FOR DISTRICT 12, MY DISTRICT, I SEE A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON EROSION CONTROL.
WE ASKED THAT QUESTION, UM, WHEN WE WERE IN THE ROOM.
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KNOW WHAT, WHEN, WHEN YOU'VE GOT PARKS OR YOU'VE GOT OTHER THINGS, ARE WE WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EROSION CONTROL? IS DW RESPONSIBLE CUZ THEY PUT THAT AS PART OF THEIR BUDGET? IS THAT PART OF OUR BUDGET? BECAUSE IF I'M, IF I'M LOOKING THROUGH HERE AS ENVIRONMENTAL CON, CONSERVATION CREEK BANK STABILIZATION, CREEK EROSION CONTROL AND SOIL STABILIZATION, I MEAN A HUNDRED NINETY ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED NINETY ONE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED FIFTY, I MEAN THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.UM, ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT OR IS DW CUZ THEY'RE PUTTING IT ON THEIR BUDGET AS WELL? GO AHEAD CHRIS.
TYPICALLY WITHIN THE PARK LAND, THE PARK IS TYPICALLY, PARK DEPARTMENT IS TYPICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING ANY THAT AND DOING THAT WORK.
SO WHAT IF, WHAT, SO LET ME ASK YOU THIS CUZ A LOT OF THE PARK LAND IS, IS EROSION CONTROL THAT, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE, UM, OH WHAT'S A GOOD ONE UP IN NORTH DALLAS, UM, UH, IN DISTRICT 12, UM, THE, THE, WERE THE COTTON BELTS COMING THROUGH, WERE THE EROSION CONTROLS HAPPENING RIGHT THERE.
UM, JARED IN THAT PARK, YOU GOT HOUSES, HOUSES, HOUSES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK AND YOU'VE GOT A TINY LITTLE PIECE OF OF LAND THAT'S, THAT'S A BUSTS THE CREEK.
BUT IF THEY'RE GONNA COME THROUGH AND DO EROSION CONTROL, WHY ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? IF, IF IT'S PART OF THEIR, WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PLANNING TO DO ANYWAY? YEAH, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, UH, UH, BLA YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.
I THINK THERE WILL BE A LOT OF, UH, I WOULD SAY INTER COMMITTEE, UH, DEPENDENCE.
AND THAT'S WHAT OUR OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE.
THAT THAT EROSION CONTROL GOES TO THEM.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT MONEY WE DISCUSS ABOUT INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, WE SHOULD BE PARTNERING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AS WELL.
SO, AND I THINK IT'LL COME ON THEIR PROJECT.
SO, BUT CHRIS, SOME OF THESE, I THINK AS WE DISCUSS ON EROSION CONTROL AND MAYBE WE HAVE MEETING WITH THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS AND TELL THEM THAT EROSION AND THAT WAY I THINK, YOU KNOW, OVER $450 MILLION GET, UH, THE OTHER MONEY GETS STREAMED AWAY FROM IT.
YEAH, I I JUST THINK IT, IT, IT SHAPES THE CONVERSATION WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, TO MR. HUERTA'S POINT, THE PERCENTAGES THAT TURN INTO REAL DOLLARS THAT GET PUT INTO THESE BUCKETS AND YOU KNOW, MR. MR. UH, WOODS' POINT ABOUT HEY, YOU KNOW, THE VISIBLE PROJECT VERSUS THE INVISIBLE PRO, THE INVISIBLE PROJECTS.
UM, CUZ YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS EROSION CONTROL ISN'T GONNA BE SEEN.
UM, AND WHOSE RESPONSIBLE ARE, TO YOUR POINT, THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT WHO'S WHOSE ACTUAL POINT IS THIS.
UM, SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.
SO, UH, MS. HASNI, WERE YOU READY? YEAH, I I I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S EACH OF THESE BUCKETS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW A, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME BACKUP ON SOME OF THE BUCKETS, BUT LIKE MASTER PLANS, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
WHAT, WHAT MASTER PLANS WERE WE TRYING TO FUND WITH THAT? IS THAT JUST THROWING LIKE, OH, WE'RE GONNA DO 10 FOR, YOU KNOW, 10 FIRMS, $500,000 A PIECE? WE DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE.
I JUST AS WE APPROACH EACH BUCKET, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL, NOT DEEP, BUT JUST YEAH.
THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE EXPECTED, UH, N AUDITORIUMS, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE EXPECTED.
NOT DEEP DETAIL IN ORDER FOR ME TO SAY, WELL, ALL RIGHT.
MAYBE I WOULD PREFER TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE ON REQUEST.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH EACH BUCKET, I, WE COULD JUST HAVE A LITTLE BRIEF DETAIL.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WEEDS ABOUT EXACTLY WHICH PLAYGROUND OR EXACTLY RIGHT, WHICH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOUR SCORING SHEET IS FOR, THAT'S WHAT THE BEHIND THE SCENES MEETINGS ARE FOR.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR ME PROCESS WISE, EACH BUCKET KIND OF HIGH LEVEL WHAT THAT'S FOR.
AND THEN I THINK WE COULD OPEN THE DISCUSSION OF WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED UP OR DOWN FROM A DOLLAR PERSPECTIVE.
SO CHRIS, YOU WANT, OR KIND OF A GENERAL ITEM, RIGHT? IF IT'S A MASTER PLAN, IT'S 500,000 A PIECE TIMES, WHATEVER.
SO CHRIS, YOU WANT TO ADDRESS, UH, THAT IN TERMS OF KIND OF BRIEFLY, WHICHEVER BUTTON YOU WANNA START WITH BUCKETS LIKE, LIKE ADA YEAH, WE HAVE, WITH THESE, I GUESS IT'LL TAKE GOOD 10, 15 MINUTES TO GO THROUGH EACH BUCKET AND OVERVIEW, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
IT MIGHT BE ONE OF YOUR SLIDES AND MIGHT JUST HAVE TO DEFINE IT.
UM, AADA COMPLIANCE IS BASICALLY GOING THROUGH REPLACING, YOU KNOW, ADA RAMPS WORKING ON FACILITIES THAT MAY HAVE DEFICIENT ADA.
WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED SPECIFIC FACILITIES, BUT WE ARE WORKING CITYWIDE, UM, WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE AADA TRANSITION PLAN TO HELP IDENTIFY FACILITIES THAT MAY HAVE, UM, ABA COMPLIANCE ISSUES.
SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY PUT $2 MILLION IN THAT BUCKET JUST BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT ISSUES WERE GOING TO COME UP, BUT WE ALWAYS DO HAVE THINGS COME UP.
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UM, WE HAD SENT AN EMAIL OUT WITH THE BUCKETS THAT WE SPECIFICALLY HAD INFORMATION THAT WE HAD PRELIMINARILY, UH, COST ESTIMATED FOR, UM, IN 2017.I JUST LOOKED BACK AND WE DID 514,000 FOR, UH, 80 ADA COMPLIANCE.
AND WE STILL HAVE FACILITIES THAT ARE NOT AADA COMPLIANT.
WELL, I'LL JUST SAY AS A, AS A COMPARISON, AND, AND IN 2017, WAS IT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS? THIS WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF TIMES THAT.
I I I FEEL LIKE LET'S KEEP MOVING THROUGH THE LIST AND THEN YEAH, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE.
I MEAN, AND THAT'S PLUS THERE'S LIKE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT AND UM, BUT IF THAT, YOU ALL THINK THAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT, ARE WE, ARE WE DETERMINING WHAT'S A FAIR AMOUNT NOW WITHOUT HEARING THE CONTEXT ON EVERYTHING ELSE? IT PROBABLY IS, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN BRIEFED ON LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T THINK IT'S POSSIBLE YEAH, GO BACK BUT TO MOVE THROUGH TO ARUN POINT TO MOVE THROUGH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
SO I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE GONNA THEN SAY HOW BUCKET, UH, WITH THE PLAYGROUND, IF IT'S WE ARE GOING TO PUT MONEY IN ACCOUNT AND MAKE AD COMPLIANT, HOW DOES THAT GET UDI DID YOU HAVE A, A QUESTION OR A COMMENT? YES.
PRESIDENT AGRAWAL WAS THAT, WAS THAT TO ME? YEAH.
UH, I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD, AS I, AS I LOOK AT THE, THE, THE PIE HERE, UH, WHETHER I'M LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGE, UH, ON SLIDE SEVEN OR THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS IN SLIDE 8 1, 1 THING THAT IMMEDIATELY CATCHES MY ATTENTION IS THERE ARE SOME VERY BIG PIECES OF THE PIE AND I JUST WANNA THROW OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION.
THERE'S ALSO VERY, VERY SMALL PIECES OF THE PIE FOR VERY CRITICAL PIECES.
AND, AND WE CAN STICK TO PLAYGROUNDS BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK.
AND ALSO, UH, VICE PRESIDENT WOOD BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER TODAY.
UM, IF, IF, IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT PLAYGROUND, AND I DON'T WANNA JUST KEEP HARPING ON PLAYGROUND, BUT THAT ARGUABLY IS A VERY, VERY VISIBLE PIECE OF OUR PARKS.
IF WE WERE TO SAY, GIVE A 300% INCREASE IN PLAYGROUNDS, THAT IS SUCH A SMALL DECREASE IN SOME OF THESE VERY BIG PIECES OF THE PIE.
I WAS JUST DOING SOME ROUGH NUMBERS.
IF WE WERE TO TAKE THE VERY LARGEST PIECES OF THIS PIE RECREATION CENTERS, UM, UH, LARGE PARTNERSHIP MATCH PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT AND AUDITORIUMS AND DROP THOSE JUST BY 5%, YOU CAN REALLY INCREASE THESE VERY, VERY TINY PIECES OF THE PIE.
LIKE THE IMPORTANT ONES LIKE EROSION CONTROL, LIKE PLAYGROUNDS, LIKE TENNIS CENTER FACILITIES.
UM, YOU COULD DOUBLE OR TRIPLE THOSE AND THAT, THOSE ARE VISIBLE THINGS.
I MEAN, UH, TENNIS CENTER IMPROVEMENT, A PLAYGROUND, I MEAN EROSION.
WE, WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH EROSION.
I, I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME.
I GUESS IF I HAD TO JUST BOIL IT DOWN TO ONE THING, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GRASPING WHY SOME OF THESE BIG PIECES OF THESE PIES, THIS PIE ARE SO BIG.
I'M JUST HAVING A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME IN IN MY HEAD WITH THAT.
AND THAT'S, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.
IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN GO THROUGH THE LIST OF THE CATEGORIES THAT HAS SPECIFIC IDENTIFIED NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH 'EM ON HOW WE CALCULATED THEM.
I I, IF EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, I'D SENT OUT VIA EMAIL, BUT I CAN DO THAT AGAIN AS WELL RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.
SO ON ATHLETIC FIELDS, DEVELOP THE ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT, WE HAD SI SIX ATHLETIC FIELDS AT SIX AT $5 MILLION EACH FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT, OR EXCUSE ME, ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING.
WE HAD EIGHT MAJOR COMPLEXES WITH FOUR FIELDS AT ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS EACH.
WE HAD EIGHT COMMUNITY POOLS AT FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS EACH.
FOR THE GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAD ESTIMATED $10 MILLION PRO SHOP AT STEVENS, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AT LUNA, $7 MILLION AT KEATON, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AT TENISON, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS AT CEDAR CREST AND $7 MILLION OF PRO.
AND I WANNA NOTE THAT WE ESTIMATED THIS BEFORE WE HAD PRIORITIZED, LISTED BEFORE THE NEEDS INVENTORY WAS FULLY SCORED.
SO THIS WAS BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE TIME BEFORE WE HAD A SCORED NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO THE MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL FACILITIES, WE HAD 45 MILLION IN THERE.
WE HAD THE MLK CENTER, WE HAD THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, AND THEN WE HAD BUCKNER AND FORNEY AN AUDITORIUM.
WE ESTIMATED THREE OF THEM AT 15 MILLION EACH.
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WE HAD FOUR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES AT $750,000 ON THE PLAYGROUNDS.WE HAD ESTIMATED 35 PLAYGROUNDS AT 300,000 EACH RACK SPORTS COMPLEX.
WE HAD JUST ESTIMATED ONE IF THAT 30, I BELIEVE IT WAS 31 AND A HALF MILLION.
THE RECREATION CENTERS, WE'D ESTIMATED EIGHT RECREATION CENTERS AT $20 MILLION EACH.
FOR THE MAINTENANCE DISTRICTS.
WE'D ESTIMATED, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS $8 MILLION FOR MAINTENANCE DISTRICT TWO, AN ADMIN BUILDING AT MAINTENANCE DISTRICT ONE.
WE HAD 14 SPRAY GROUNDS AT ONE AND A HALF MILLION EACH.
AND THEN FOR TENNIS CENTERS, WE HAD 12 TENNIS COURTS AT $350,000 EACH.
AND THEN WE HAD 6 MILLION IN THERE FOR FAIR OAKS.
THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES THAT WE HAD SPECIFIC NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH.
THE REST OF THEM WERE JUST ESTIMATED BASED ON LUMP SUM, UM, NUMBERS THAT WE SAW IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
WE, WE HAD AN IDEA WHAT THE TOTAL NEEDS INVENTORY WAS AND WE JUST KIND OF TOOK A NUMBER AND PUT IT IN AS A PLACEHOLDER.
I MEAN, I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS JUST ON THAT LIST, BUT I THINK TO GO THROUGH ITEM BY ITEM, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE MORE EFFECTIVE AND QUICK TO GO THROUGH IT AS WE GET TO THE BUCKET.
I'D RATHER IT GO TO THE BUCKET AND THEN SAY, OKAY, GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT IS THAT? THEN YOU GO AND YOU GO, WELL HERE'S YOUR GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, 10 MILLION FOR BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
DO WE WANNA DO THAT OR IS THAT TOO MUCH? SO I, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S HOW I LIKE TO JUST ATTACK EACH ONE.
SO ON OUR FIRST ONE, ADA COMPLIANCE, 1.25 MILLION, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE EVER GONNA HAVE SPECIFICS TO THAT CUZ YOU JUST KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE STUFF THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO TO, TO BE 18 COMPLIANT.
AND BASED ON WHAT WE SPENT LAST TIME, I MEAN I THINK, I THINK THAT NUMBER LOOKS FINE AND YOU JUST NEED TO GO TO THE NEXT BUCKET, THE NEXT BUCKET AND LOCATE YOUR ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENT, WHICH IS 18 MILLION PLUS THE LIGHTING FOR SEVEN AND A HALF.
SO THAT'S 25 MILLION FOR ATHLETIC EVENTS BETWEEN THEIR FIELDS AND THE LIGHTING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN IF YOU GO TO THIS BACK OF INFORMATION, YOU CAN BASICALLY SAYING FOR THAT 25, ROUGHLY 25, 20 6 MILLION, THAT'S SIX ATHLETIC FIELDS AND LIGHTING FOR EIGHT COMPLEXES AND FOUR FIELDS ROUGHLY.
AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE SOMETHING UP TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING GETS BUILT.
SO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE, IT'S NOT ENOUGH, I PROMISE YOU THAT.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT BUCKET'S GOTTA BE LOWERED SO WE CAN FIT EVERYTHING IN.
I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK WHEN CHRIS ACTUALLY OPENED THIS UP AND SHE SAID SHE WANTED TO GO OVER SPECIFIC CATEGORIES, UHHUH.
SO TO MS HASANI'S POINT, IS IT BEST TO START WITH THE PRI WITH THE BIGGER PIECES? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANTED TO START PLAYGROUNDS REC CENTERS AND KIND OF MOVE DOWN THE LIST VERSUS SPENDING A LOT OF ENERGY ON THE SMALLER ONE.
I DON'T KNOW CAUSE I THOUGHT YOU HAD KIND OF A FORMAT TO KNOCK THE, THE BIG CHUNKS OUT FIRST.
SO I JUST WANNA GO BACK TO THAT.
WELL, WE HAVE TO GET THE TOTAL FUNDING PER CATEGORY DOWN.
SO HOWEVER WE GO THROUGH THIS LIST, I'M FINE WITH GO THROUGH THE BUCKET.
SO MY ONLY QUESTION ON THE ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT, IS THIS, WHEN IT SAYS SIX ATHLETIC FIELD, IS THAT JUST TO FIX THE ONES WE HAVE? THIS ISN'T LIKE, IS THIS BUILDING BRAND NEW ATHLETIC FIELDS OR IS THIS DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT MEANS WE'RE GOING AND FIXING WHAT WE HAVE? PRETTY MUCH, YES.
AND, AND I'LL BE, LOOK, I'M, I'M AGAIN, SOME OF THEM GONNA BE TORE UP, RAISED UP, LEVELED UP, RERE, YOU KNOW.
FOR ME THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS, I'M ALWAYS PREACHING ABOUT MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE ALREADY.
TO ME, IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF USERS THAT ARE GONNA BE AFFECTED BY THIS, IT'S A LOT.
SO TO ME, LIKE THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I MEAN AT THIS POINT, I MEAN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS AND YOU KNOW, BUT MASTER PLANS, I'M LIKE, WELL MASTER PLANS, WE'RE GONNA SPEND $10 MILLION ON MASTER PLAN TO MAKE A BUNCH OF MASTER PLANS THAT WE HAVE MONEY THAT WE CAN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD ANYTHING.
I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE THE MONEY AND GO FIX WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
SO I'M, I MEAN I THINK WE JUST KIND OF HAVE TO WEIGH IN.
ARE Y'ALL FINE WITH THAT AMOUNT? TO ME, THAT SOUNDS PRETTY REASONABLE TO GO OUT AND DO IT.
WE'RE DOING, AND AND THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING THE PROCESS RIGHT HERE, I'M ACTUALLY GOING IN AND PUT MY OWN NUMBERS IN WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD KIND OF VALUE THEM IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, SEE WHERE I'M AT MYSELF IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ON WHAT I'VE DONE IN THE, IT MIGHT MATCH SOMEBODY ELSE'S HERE.
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YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT WANT SOMETHING ELSE DONE.BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS I THINK.
WELL HOPEFULLY ONCE WE GET THROUGH THIS, THEN WHAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DO IS SAY, BASED ON THAT AMOUNT, I WILL GET MY FIELDS AT WINFREY WITH NEW LIGHTING AND YOU WILL GET YOUR FIELDS IN YOUR AREA WITH YOUR IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU NEED.
SO THEN WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF TAKE THE BIG PICTURE STUFF AND SEE HOW IT AFFECTS OUR DISTRICT.
AND THEN STILL, IF THERE'S STILL MORE STUFF IN YOUR DISTRICT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO IN AND FIGHT FOR YOUR, YOUR PIECE OF THE PIE ON THE SAID DISTRICT BY DISTRICT.
CHRIS, DO YOU KNOW OF THE, OKAY, SO WE'RE NOW, WE'RE AT 18 AND 18.75 FOR ATHLETIC FIELDS.
I DON'T HAVE WHICH SPECIFIC FIELDS THAT WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC LIST YET FOR YOU.
UM, SOME OF OUR BIGGER SOUTHERN DALLAS SENDS HAVE MORE ATHLETIC FIELDS THAN NORTHERN DALLAS.
SO, BUT UM, BUT THAT'S JUST REPLACING IMPROVING WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
IF WE WANTED NEW FIELDS IN OUR DISTRICT, THEN THAT MIGHT COME OUT OF THE PARKSIDE DEVELOPMENT BUCKET LAND.
I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, CHRIS.
LET'S SAY WHILE WE ARE DONE AND WE ALLOCATE 5% HERE, 10% OR WE AGREE, LET'S ASSUME WE AGREE WITH EVERY ONE OF THIS.
HOW DO WE DEFINE THOSE KEY PROJECTS WHICH WE WANT TO WORK ON THOSE MEET INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT PARKDALE.
CAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT 450 MILLION IN WHAT I'M CALLING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.
IS THERE MONEY IN THIS FOR PARKDALE? YES.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING WHERE IS IT? OH, WELL THAT'S, AS WE GET TO THE, UH, UH, I THINK I DID SEE IT IN, IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
THE MONEY FOR PARKDALE'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
I DID SEE THAT PARKDALE'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
MONEY FOR INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT IS IS IN THE, THE, UM, MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL SHARED USE FACILITIES.
SO A LOT OF, A LOT OF THEM ARE INCORPORATED IN THERE.
SO WHERE WOULD, SO WOULD I SEE THAT IN LARGE MATCHES? WOULD I SEE IT IN LAND ACQUISITION WHERE I, BECAUSE THAT'LL HELP ME MAKE MY DECISIONS.
IF, OH, IS THAT WHAT'S BUCKET? THIS IS THE 20.
WHAT THAT'S, YOU MAKE YOUR ANSWERS MAYBE LIKE TO YOUR POINT, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO YOU THAT YOU WANNA START WITH THAT BUCKET, LET'S START WITH THAT BUCKET.
I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO IN A CLOCKWISE MOTION.
IF YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PRIORITY IS ADDRESSED SOONER THAN LATER, THEN WELL, I, I THINK I FEEL, I THINK IF WE TALK ABOUT SIGNATURE PROJECTS AND I'M OPEN TO OTHER SUGGESTIONS.
FOR ME THE THREE SIGNATURE PROJECTS WOULD BE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, UH, PARKDALE AND UH, ROSEMEAD, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL CENTER.
BESIDES THAT I THINK ANY ROCKET CENTER.
SO BESIDES THAT, I THINK I'M OPEN TO, BUT WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE, UH, A FEW, FEW KEY PROJECTS AND TAKE MONEY ASIDE FOR THAT AND THEN DISTRIBUTE IT.
AND AS I SAID, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M OPEN FOR ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR THOSE KEY PRODUCTS, BUT INTERNATIONAL DISTRICTS, THERE'S NO DISAGREEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE, I THINK PARKDALE THAT IS ONE OF IT AT ONE TIME.
NO, IT NEEDS TO BE, I WOULD PICK THE REC CENTER BEFORE I PICK PARKDALE LAKE.
IF THAT, IF I HAD TO PICK BETWEEN PRIORITIES, I WOULD PICK THE REC CENTER.
THAT'S GONNA AFFECT WAY MORE PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S DALLAS'S LARGEST HIGH SCHOOL IS 4,000 KIDS NEXT TO THIS AREA WITH THOUSANDS OF APARTMENTS AND NOT A REC CENTER WITHIN FIVE MILES.
YET WE'RE GONNA HAVE A NATURE PARKDALE LAKE PARK.
HEY THAT YOU KNOW ANYBODY SAYING DON'T COGNIZE? NO, BUT HERE I'M JUST SAYING TO, YOU'RE SAYING A SIGNATURE PROJECT WOULD BE THE PARKDALE LAKE AND THEN MY DISTRICT, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY.
I WANNA GET IT DONE, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT THAT IN THE PRIORITY OR SIGNATURE PROJECT BEFORE I WOULD PUT THE REC CENTER ON THERE.
AND SO, SO THAT'S WHERE YOU BRING UP WHAT YOU THINK THE SIGNATURE AND THEN THE ALL CAN DISCUSS WHAT CLEARLY, UH, MRS. SLAUGHTER.
AND PLUS I DON'T WANT CHRIS HERE THANKSGIVING, YOU KNOW,
UH, LIKE INTERNATIONAL PROJECT.
WE CAN'T BE SELFISH AND SAY, OKAY, WE WANT THIS FOR DISTRICT A CAUSE OF THE CENTER.
WE GOTTA LOOK AT THE WHOLE CITY.
OH, WHAT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE CITY INTERNATIONAL AREA.
ROSEMEAD, IT'S NOT IN MY DISTRICT, BUT I SUPPORT IT.
YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY WITH SINGING HILLS.
YOU AIN'T GOTTA GET WITH NOTHING BUT AQUATICS AND UH, UH, FIX STEVENS GOLF COURSE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GOTTA LOOK AT.
YOU KNOW, I AND OUR PRIORITIES DID EVERYTHING BUT IT'S INTERNATIONAL
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OR AT ROSEBY.I THINK IT'S GONNA BENEFIT THE WHOLE CITY INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, OR THIS IS JUST FOR DISTRICT AID.
THIS IS JUST FOR MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
AND PLUS LIKE MS. HANBY SAID, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT THESE DIFFERENT BUCKETS, SEE WHAT THE AMOUNT IS.
THAT WAY CHRIS WANT TO KEEP GOING OVER EVERYTHING A THOUSAND TIMES FOR US, YOU KNOW,
SO I THINK, AND PLUS I LIKE TO BE OUTTA HERE BEFORE THE 10 O'CLOCK NEWS COMING.
I THINK IT'S EASIER TO GO BY BUCKET BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TORE GONNA GET, WE'RE GONNA GET JUST ORGANIZATIONALLY IT'S, YOU'RE ALL RIGHT.
LIKE WHICH BUCKET WE THINK ARE MOST IMPORTANT? WE ARE STARTING WHERE YOU STARTED.
WELL, AND, AND, AND IF I MAY, BRANDON HAS BROUGHT UP SIGNATURE PROJECTS.
IF I MAY BRING UP A FEW MORE THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
SO WAYNE, ARE WE GOING BACK TO A PARTICULAR BUCKET? ARE WE JUST TALKING? NO, SHE'S JUST MENTIONING SOME.
I JUST WANNA MENTION SOME OTHER SIGNATURE PROJECTS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP SO THAT YOU KIND OF KEEP THESE IN YOUR MIND.
SO THEY, THEY WANNA REPLACE THE ENTIRE CENTER, BUT OH, THE MARK LUTHER KING MLK REC CENTER.
CAUSE IT'S A COMMUNITY CENTER AS WELL.
AND THERE'S A LIBRARY THERE, THERE'S HEALTH FACILITY THERE.
UM, COUNCILMAN BALU WANTS TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE CENTER, BUT THAT'S NOT ONLY ON PARKS.
PARKS IS ONLY A VERY SMALL PORTION OF THAT BECAUSE HE WANTS TO PUT HOUSING IN THERE FOR LIKE A SENIOR HOUSING PROJECT ON.
SO IT'S A, THAT WOULD BE IN THE COMBINED BUCKET OF, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THIS IS ONE OF THOSE MULTI JURISDICTIONAL PROJECTS.
UM, IT WOULD INVOLVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AS WE MEN, AS DANIEL MENTIONED, THERE'S LIBRARY, THERE'S I BELIEVE D W U OUT THERE.
THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND MANY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THE WHOLE MLK CENTER.
SO IT WOULD BE THE WHOLE CENTER AREA THAT WOULD BE REDEVELOPED.
WE HAVE THE FIVE MILE CREEK TRAIL PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN GETTING QUITE A BIT OF ATTENTION LATELY.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE SIGNATURE PROJECTS.
WE HAVE FOREST ON DELIA, BUT WHERE IS, WHERE IS WHAT BUCKET IS THAT IN FIVE MILE CREEK TRAIL WOULD BE IN TRAILS.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SHOWING RIGHT NOW TO BE VERY HONEST, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD END UP.
NEED NEEDING TO BE AS IN TRAILS.
UM, BRIAN, DO YOU WANNA TALK? BRIAN IS BOSS.
WE, WE HAVE A BIG PROJECT AT THE ZOO AND, AND WHENEVER RYAN COMES BACK IN WE CAN GIVE A FEW MORE DETAILS ON THAT.
SO THOSE ARE A FEW MORE OF THE SIGNATURE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THOSE LIA OR LIA IS BASICALLY WE ARE CONVERTING A SHOPPING CENTER INTO A PARK AND UM, IT'S HILL HILL, UH, HILL CRYSTAL GREEN, NOT STEROIDS.
BUT I WAS LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.
BOUGHT THE LAND, BOUGHT THE LAND, THE TENANTS.
WHICH REALLY BROUGHT A LOT OF EXCITEMENT AND SHOWS THE VIABILITY OF THE FACULTY.
ANOTHER ONE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING RECREATION CENTER IN F R I, I THINK IT'S YOUR OR YOUR DISTRICT.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, DID THAT PARK RECREATION CENTER.
THERE AGAIN, THERE'S NO RECREATION CENTER.
UH, YOU KNOW WHICH ONE I'VE TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT? MM-HMM
MAYBE TALKING WITH WELLMED AND ALL THAT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REALLY NEAT RECREATION CENTER TALK.
SO GOING BACK TO, I THINK NOW THAT WE HAVE THESE IN MIND, I THINK WE DON'T HAVE, WE GO BACK TO, I GUESS WE'LL GO TO THE CATEGORIES SO WE CAN HAVE POST NOT REVIEW BEFORE NINE 30.
SO WE, GETTING BACK TO, WE WERE, I THINK AT LEAST NOW WE HAVE EXPOSURE TO SOME OF THESE, UH, UH, KEY SIGNATURE PROJECT.
WE DECIDE BY, BEFORE THE PROCESS IS ENDING, LET'S GO TO THE CATEGORIES BACK.
SO AADA, WE DID ATHLETIC FIELD, WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION.
ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY COMMENTS? ANY QUESTIONS? I SEE MR. NICKY CAME ONLINE.
IT'S ALL GIVING YOU AN EYE EXAM, TIM, SINCE I'M KINDA HANDICAPPED ON, I'LL KEEP IT.
UH, PRIORITIES FOR ME OVERARCHING WOULD BE TO MAINTAIN YOU'RE, YOU'RE BREAKING UP MR.
SO CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YEAH, OFF AND ON.
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MAYBE WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU IN A MINUTE.YOU'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, BETTER SIGNAL.
SO GIVE US FEW MINUTES AND WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
ANYONE ELSE? UH, WANT TO HAVE ANY? YES, NO, I'M READY TO GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.
SO, UH, THE COMMUNITY POOLS, UH, WE HAVE, LET'S SAY HOW MUCH WE HAVE HERE FROM THE POOL, 5,000,005 EIGHT POOLS AND 5.5 MILLION EACH WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY.
BUT DOES THAT MEAN NEW POOL SURFACING? DO WE HAVE A LIST OF WHERE THEY'LL GO? WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF WHERE THOSE EIGHT POOLS ARE.
IT WAS JUST EIGHT POOLS THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE UH, CITY.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING COMMUNITY.
SO ARE YOU SAYING WE THINK, OH, GO AHEAD.
WHAT ARE WE DOING TO THESE POOLS FOR 5 MILLION? BASICALLY COMPLETELY RENOVATING THEM, REPLACING ALL THE PIPING, REPLACING ALL THE PUMPS.
ESSENTIALLY COMPLETELY RENOVATING ALL OF THEM.
SO THESE AREN'T NEW POOLS, THESE ARE NOT NEW POOLS.
REPLACING, HE IDENTIFIED DEFINITELY NEED TO BE EXCEPT EXCEPTION OF THE ROBOTIC FACILITY.
SO YES, THOSE THAT HAVE COME ON HORIZON.
AND ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE POOLS, LIKE DO WE FEEL LIKE ALL THE POOLS ARE BEING USED LIKE THAT? WE WOULD, I REMEMBER A LONG TIME AGO THERE WAS A POOL AT CHURCHILL AND IT WAS FILLED IN.
LIKE DO WE, ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT THESE POOLS ARE ALL BEING USED NOW THAT WE HAVE THE REGIONAL AQUATIC CENTERS AND WE HAVE SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES? YES, WE DO.
WE FEEL LIKE EVERY SINGLE COMMUNITY POOL IS BEING USED TO ITS CAPACITY THAT WE WANT TO INVEST THIS MONEY.
THE ONES THAT WOULD BE RENOVATED? YES.
WE WOULD DEFINITELY WORK WITH AQUATICS TO ENSURE THAT THE ONES BEING RENOVATED DEFINITELY HAS TO HAVE THE USAGE NUMBERS WE WANT.
SO I MAY ADD THEY'RE NOT BEING USED SO ITS FULLEST CAPABILITIES BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION.
HOW ABOUT THE TIME? LIKE MAR WE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS HAS ISSUES WITH THE PUMPS AND EVERYTHING GOING OFF.
SO WE ONLY HAD A VERY LIMITED DOOR WINDOW OPEN AND IT DIDN'T GET A LOT OF USED JUST CUZ OF THAT REASON.
WELL, LIKE I WOULD SAY LIKE WALNUT HILL DOES NOT GET A LOT OF USE.
AND SO IF I'M GONNA, I WOULD RATHER MOVE MONEY FROM THAT BECAUSE IN THAT AREA OF THE CITY, THERE'S BACHMAN CLOSE BY, THERE'S THE Y M C A, THERE'S K KB, POLK SPRAY GROUND, THERE'S GR WEILER, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THOSE.
AND AGAIN, POOLS ARE OPEN THREE MONTHS A YEAR.
I CANNOT, I JUST CAN'T SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN SO LITTLE AND REALLY ONLY SERVES A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION.
SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE EQUITY ACROSS AGE, GEOGRAPHY, DEMOGRAPHICS, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT POOL IS A GOOD INVESTMENT OR FRANKLY, A LOT OF COMMUNITY POOLS EXCEPT IN AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE HIGH DENSITY, YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SERVICE ELSEWHERE.
AND THIS PART OF THE CITY JUST IS WELL SERVED.
SO I WOULD TAKE, I'M A TERRIBLE PARK BOARD REPRESENTATIVE FOR TAKING SOMETHING OFF, BUT I'D RATHER IT BE SERVED ELSEWHERE.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING.
AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S, I MEAN I, I JUST, TO CALVIN'S POINT, I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE SOME POOLS THAT PROBABLY ARE NOT BEING USED TO THEIR CAPACITY.
AND WITH THE REGIONAL AQUATIC CENTERS, WHICH ARE AWESOME, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO I MEAN, YES, WE WANNA DO IT IN AN IDEAL WORLD, BUT WE ONLY HAVE LIMITED MONEY.
SO THAT 98 MILLION ON THE LAST BOND, THAT AQUATICS GOT 48 SOME MILLION DOLLARS ON THE LAST GO AROUND.
SO'S TIME TO SIT DOWN FOR A MINUTE.
AND I HAVE A POOL ON THERE, SO I, I GET IT.
I MEAN, I ACTUALLY HAVE, ON THE ONE LIST, I SAW A LIST OF, THERE'S POOLS.
UM, YOU WERE LOOKING AT JUANITA CRAFT POOL, WHICH HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR 10 YEARS.
UM, AND THEN, UH, UM, EVERGLADE POOL.
BUT WE WOULD CLOSE THAT ONE IF WE FILLED THE NATOR OVER AT SKYLINE OR BUCKNER AND FORNEY.
SO THOSE TWO CAN COME OFF THE LIST.
THAT'S 10 MILLION RIGHT THERE.
AND IT MAY BE THE KIND OF THING THAT WE WANNA PRIORITIZE THE SAME WAY THAT WE'RE PRIORITIZING WITH PLAYGROUNDS AND REC CENTERS WITHIN THAT.
SO WE NEED FOUR OF THEM THAT NEED TO BE, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT THE POOLS CAN GO LOWER ON THE THING.
SO LET'S, LET'S TAKE POOLS, SET IT ASIDE, AND IF WE HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER AT THE END OF THE DAY AND PUT SOME MONEY BACK.
WELL, HERE, LET ME JUST, LET ME, I LIKE, I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT THERE'S OTHER WATER THINGS IN HERE,
WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE WANNA BUILD MORE SPRAY GROUNDS.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO GOT, UM, AUDITORIUMS. SO THERE'S, IN THIS BUDGET, WE'VE GOT A TON OF MONEY FOR
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WATER RELATED ACTIVITIES.SPRAY GROUNDS TO ME ARE WAY CHEAPER.
LESS LIABILITY, NOT AUDITORIUMS AND INDOOR POOLS.
LIKE THE, THE N AUDITORIUM AND INTER POLES.
THEN YOU GET, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIFEGUARDS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE STAFFING, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE AROUND, WELL, THE INDOOR ONES ARE, YES.
SO TO ME, I THINK THAT'S, WE JUST COMPRESS THIS WAY DOWN.
WE SAY, ALL RIGHT, COMMUNITY POOLS, INSTEAD OF 27 MILLION, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU 10.
AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE WHERE THE THING GOES WITHIN THAT LINE.
THEN YOU GO AND YOU PRIORITIZE YOUR 10 MILLION WITHIN THE, WITHIN YOUR LIST.
AND THEN OF COURSE, PART MAINTENANCE IS GONNA BE THE ONES WE JUST CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY.
THEN WE DECIDE WHERE THAT 10, I THINK.
I MEAN, TO ME, I JUST COMPRESS IT DOWN AND THEN I'D RATHER SUPPORT YOUR WHAT YOUR SPRAY GROUND AND YOUR SANATORIUMS THAN, AND LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S MORATORIUMS. I KNOW THAT DSD IS VERY INTERESTED IN BUILDING SOME SANATORIUMS, SO THEY'RE GONNA BE A PARTNER ON THOSE.
ANYTIME YOU'RE GONNA FIND SOMEBODY YOU PARTNER WITH, I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE COMMITTED TO ME THAT THEY WILL PARTICIPATE.
SO THIS, WHAT I'M HEARING IS I THINK TAKE THE POOLS DOWN TO 10 MILLION AND WE'LL COME BACK THAT WHERE WE PRIORITIZE THAT AND DO WE USE MATCHING FUNDS, UH, WITH THE, UH, D I S D AND ALL WE'LL HAVE FOR THE DISCUSSION.
AM I STATING IT CORRECT, MR. DI DEEZ? YEAH.
UH, IN WEST DALLAS, BONITO JUAREZ PARK WAS TOLD THAT THEY COULD EXPECT A COMMUNITY POOL, A NEW COMMUNITY POOL, UH, TO REPLACE THE ONE AT
THEY DON'T HAVE WATER FEATURES OVER THERE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CHECK, SINCE MS. TURNER WARE SAID THERE ARE NO NEW COMMUNITY POOLS IN THIS, I JUST WANNA SEE IF, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER NOW, BUT MAKE SURE BONITA JUAREZ HASN'T BEEN DROPPED OFF OF THE LIST.
WE'RE AT LEAST ASKING FOR BECAUSE DIRECTOR JENKINS PROMISED THAT COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
IN FACT, THAT'S MY ONLY, MY, MIGHT I RECOMMEND A SET OF 10 MILLION THAT WE PUT 11 MILLION JUST BECAUSE THE POOL'S FIVE AND A HALF MILLION, ESTIMATED A FIVE AND HALF MILLION A PIECE.
THAT THAT GOES TO 3%, RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT JUST PRODUCES FROM EIGHT POLES TO COMMUNITY POLLS PER REQUEST.
AND YEAH, I THINK I GIVE ROUGHLY 17 TWO POINT EROSION CONTROL.
MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO GIVE THAT INVENTORY LIST TO, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE, ANITA SUBCOMMITTEE, AND I WILL TALK TO HER AS WELL.
BUT $6 MILLION FOR A ROAD CONTROL.
IS THERE SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR IS THIS JUST WE NEED, WE KNOW WE NEED IT.
THAT WAS JUST NO, WE KNEW WE NEEDED IT.
AND I DO THINK, I'M JUST GONNA, I'M GONNA DEFEND MY EROSION CONTROL HERE BECAUSE I DEAL WITH THIS A LOT IN MY DISTRICT BECAUSE WHITE ROCK CREEKS AND ALL THE CREEKS THAT LEAD TO THE LAKE, AND THERE HAS BEEN A LONG STANDOFF BETWEEN DW U AND PARKS.
BUT WE ARE DOING ZERO CREEK MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE DOING ZERO EROSION CONTROL.
AND IT ALWAYS COMES BACK TO US BECAUSE IT ENDS UP BEING BY OUR TRAILS, BY OUR BRIDGES IN OUR PARKS.
WE ALWAYS END UP HAVING TO DO EROSION CONTROL WORK.
WE JUST DO, BECAUSE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, JUST TRYING TO GET THEM TO PAY FOR IT OR DO DO IT, IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.
DO SHOULD THAT BE HAPPENING THROUGH THOSE COMMITTEES AND THROUGH ALL OF THAT? ABSOLUTELY.
BUT FOR US TO RELY, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME BUCKET OF MONEY THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS FAILING OR WE KNOW, WE KNOW SOMETHING IS ALREADY FAILING, LIKE WE NEED EROSION CONTROL AT WHITE ROCK LAKE.
WE NEED EROSION CONTROL AT THE WHITE ROCK CREEK TRAIL.
I'M SURE EVERYBODY'S DISTRICT WHO HAS WATER RUNNING THROUGH IT HAS SOME.
SO I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO LEAVE SOME IN OUR BUDGET FOR OUR, IN OUR ASK FOR IT.
BUT THEN I THINK WE DO NEED TO GO BACK INTERNALLY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES ARE AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN PARTNER WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER FOLKS TO HELP US WITH IT.
BUT IT'S, I MEAN, WE HAVE WATER IN ALL OF OUR PARKS AND IT'S GETTING WORSE BY THE YEAR.
SO I THINK WE, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR IT.
MISS HAS MANY, BUT LET'S, YOU KNOW, I THINK AS THE, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS AN ANTICIPATED NEED WHEN THAT HAPPENS.
SO I THINK ONE THING, UH, I FEEL AS A VISION WE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND NOT TO MAKE THIS BOND AS AN EFFORT MAINTENANCE AT THAT
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TIME.WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP FROM OUR BUDGETS RIGHT NOW, WHATEVER IS THAT BIG TICKET, GET TO DO IT.
LET'S SEE IF, UH, THAT COMMITTEE LET, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, MAYBE WE KEEP A CONTINGENCY NUMBER BASED ON DISCUSSION WITH, UH, I'M FORGETTING THE COMMITTEE'S NAME AND CHAIRS IT.
AND TELL THEM, AND I'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
THEY FEEL, YOU KNOW, THE WHITEROCK SPECIFICALLY THAT AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
AND WE SHOULD LOOK, CHRIS SAID THAT IN THEIR LIST, UH, DOES ANY OF THIS COME OR NOT? THEY'VE GIVEN A BILLION DOLLAR, UH, NEED LIST.
SO IS THIS PART OF IT? AND THEN WE FIGURED OUT HOW THEY PRIORITIZE FROM THAT BILLION DOLLARS.
WHAT IS ON OUR LIST, LIKE, SO THAT, THAT I LOOKED AT THIS CITYWIDE NEEDS INVENTORY SCORING THIS, WHICH MADE MY HEAD HURT CUZ IT WAS SO INACCURATE.
UM, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF EROSION CONTROL OUT HERE.
SO, BUT I MEAN, HOW, WHAT'S, WHAT COMPRISES OUR 6.25.
WE DID NOT SELECT SPECIFIC PROJECTS FOR THAT.
WELL THEN THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE.
CUZ I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOME VERY SPECIFIC THINGS ATTACHED TO IT.
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, THAT DWS TOO.
WE'RE JUST GONNA, WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO GET PUSHING.
I'M FINE WITH LEAVING IT AS A CONTINGENCY, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO GO BACK BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE COMPLETELY GIVE, WE DO THIS WHOLE THING BEFORE WE DO AWAY WITH IT.
BECAUSE I KNOW FOR, I MEAN WHITEROCK L IS ERODING, LIKE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY'S COMING FROM.
AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND IT, WE CANNOT WAIT TILL 2029 THAT BOND MONEY.
I TOTALLY, I I I THINK INTERNALLY WE HAVE TO GO, GO BACK AND SAY WE SPECIFICALLY NEED 2 MILLION FOR ROCK A MILLION FOR THE, FOR THIS.
AND, AND IF IT'S LESS GREAT, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT BEFORE WE COMPLETELY, SO KEEP THIS AS A CONTINGENCY LIST BEFORE THIS PROCESS GETS OVER AND HOW OUR INTERACTION IS WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO BRING IT BACK UP.
MR. TOS UH, HAD A, YOU HAD A COMMENT OR QUESTION, KAYLA? YES.
UM, AND FORGIVE ME, Y'ALL, I'M, I'VE BEEN TRAVELING SO I WAS EXTREMELY LATE.
ALSO MY WIFI WENT OUT SO I DIDN'T HEAR THE COMPLETE DISCUSSION AROUND THE POOLS.
Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT WHITE ROCK LAKE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT TRANSPIRED IN BETWEEN WHEN MY WIFI WENT OUT TO NOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING, UM, AROUND THE, THE, THE POOL DISCUSSION.
WHERE DID, DID WE CLOSE THAT OUT OR IS THAT STILL GOING ON RIGHT NOW? WELL, WE DID CLOSE WITH THE, UH, DECISION THAT WE ARE GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER RECOMMENDED TO 11 MILLION.
UH, AND THEN, UH, WHICH POOL AND ALL THAT'S NOT BEING DECIDED RIGHT NOW, MR. TO WILL COME BACK TO THAT, WHERE THAT 11 MILLION GETS, UH, UH, SPENT OR RECOMMENDED AND THAT'S REDUCED.
WHAT WAS THE TOTAL, AND ALSO COULD WE PUT THE PUT, CUZ I'M HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON, ON THE SCREENS, COULD WE GET TO WHERE THE, THE PRESENTATION IS ONLINE SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT LIKE WHILE WE'RE IN THE MEETING? CUZ I'M HAVING TO OPEN UP TWO WINDOWS, BUT, UM, WHAT DID WE REDUCE IT FROM? 7 5 27 0.5, RIGHT? YES.
AND 0.4, 28.1, 28.1 TO THAT'S A DRASTIC, UH, REDUCTION.
UM, AND I, I, I HEARD, UH, MS. ROSS WHEN SHE STATED THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE, I I KNOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS UTILIZATION OF THE POOL AND I HEARD HER SAY THAT, UH, SOME OF THESE POOLS ARE NOT BEING UTILIZED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, AT CAPACITY TO BE UTILIZED.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I GET IT, THEY ONLY OPEN THREE MONTHS OUTTA THE YEAR, BUT ONE KID DROWN AND ONE DAY OUT OF THE YEAR, I DON'T CARE WHEN IT IS.
THAT'S A VERY, VERY CRUCIAL THING THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY IN IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE, UM, CAN SWIM.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAD LESS THAN 10 NEIGHBORHOOD POOLS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.
IS THAT RIGHT? FROM THE LAST AQUATICS PRESENTATION? I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE EIGHT POOLS.
MAYBE I JUST, I I JUST WANT US TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THAT BEFORE, CAUSE THAT'S A QUICK DECISION.
AND I'M NOT SAYING EVERYONE DIDN'T THINK THROUGH IT, BUT THAT'S A MAJOR REDUCTION TO BE MAKING THAT, UM, THAT DECISION.
SO THAT'S JUST MY, UH, MY FAIR WARNING TO EVERYONE JUST TO THINK THROUGH THAT.
UNLESS IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE AND I MISSED IT AND I'M JUST TALKING AT THIS POINT, NO DECISION.
NOTHING HAS BEEN CLOSED MR. TOS AS YET.
I THINK WE ARE JUST TRYING TO, THERE'LL BE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THESE BUCKETS.
SO YOU MADE IT RIGHT THIS POINT.
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SO WHEN WE START, YOU KNOW, OWNING CHECK FINAL NUMBERS, I THINK WE'LL BE, I GUESS BRING BACK AND IT, BECAUSE I'D WANNA KNOW WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT MEANS IF WE REDUCE IT THAT MUCH, THEN WHAT WILL WE BE LACKING ON THE OTHER END? LIKE WHAT'S NOT GONNA GET DONE AND WHERE IS IT NOT GONNA GET DONE? THIS IS THIS'S NOT CLOSING ANY POOLS.WE'RE NOT CLOTHING, ANY POOLS.
I DIDN'T SAY THEY WERE GONNA CLOSE.
I JUST SAID WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T DO IT? I DON'T, THAT'S NOT MY ASSUMPTION AT ALL.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT WHO'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EASY TO MAINTAIN A POOL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YEAH, I JUST, I I'M SAYING WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO REDUCE FROM THAT AMOUNT TO THE AMOUNT, THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE AT? AND I DON'T HAVE CLARITY ON THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL DISCUSSED IT AND I MISSED IT.
SO MR. TOR, THIS IS CRYSTAL, LET ME JUST KIND OF WRAP IT UP REAL QUICK.
SO WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S A REDUCTION, IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THIS SCENARIO, THERE'S A REDUCTION IN THE DOLLARS THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO COMMUNITY POOLS.
SO THAT WOULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF FULL RENOVATION TYPE REPLACEMENT PROJECTS.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE WON'T ADDRESS, UM, IMMEDIATE REPAIRS AT THOSE SITES.
SO YOU'LL HAVE A REDUCTION IN HOW MANY GET A COMPLETE OVERHAUL, BUT WE MAY HAVE AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER THAT GET LIKE MAJOR REPAIR WORK DONE, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.
SO YOU'LL STILL HAVE ATTENTION TO THE POLLS, YOU WOULD JUST HAVE FEWER THAT WOULD BE BRAND NEW UNDERSTOOD.
IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THIS SCENARIO.
BUT THIS IS JUST LIKE AN EXERCISE TO GET US AROUND THE, THE PIE CLOCK.
SO EROSION CONTROL, ARE WE ALL OKAY ON THAT? I THINK WE ARE, YOU KNOW, KEEP IT AS, UH, UH, WE WILL TALK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND THEN TAKE THE NEXT DECISION HAS BEEN BEFORE WE CLOSE IT, UH, CALL CENTER IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, YEAH, BUT CHRIS, YOU WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE? YEAH, AND, AND BASICALLY THE ORIGINAL NUMBER AGAIN WAS BASED ON 10 MILLION FOR THE PRO SHOP AT STEVENS.
TWO AND A HALF MILLION AT LUNA, 7 MILLION AT KEATON, TWO AND A HALF MILLION AT TENNYSON.
TWO AND A HALF MILLION AT CEDAR CREST AND 7 MILLION AT ROSEMEAD.
SO, SO THAT ORIGINAL NUMBER FOR THE GOLF.
SO CHRIS, ARE THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PRO SHOP OR TO THE GOLF COURSES THEMSELVES OR BOTH? BOTH.
IT MAY, AND I WANNA SAY, I WANNA REEMPHASIZE THAT THIS LIST THAT I JUST READ TO YOU WAS DEVELOPED BY STAFF BEFORE WE HAD THE NEEDS INVENTORY SCORE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE BASED OUR ORIGINAL 31 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENT NUMBER ON IS WHAT I JUST READ TO YOU.
THEN WHEN WE WENT BACK AND WE DID THE EXERCISE TO BRING IT DOWN TO 450 MILLION, THOSE GOLF, THAT GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENT NUMBER DROPPED IN 19.7 MILLION.
SO WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY ADJUSTMENTS IN TERMS OF WHAT FACILITIES WE THINK NEED TO BE IMPROVED.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE NEEDS INVENTORY SCORED NOW AND SOME OF THESE FACILITIES THAT WE THOUGHT AS, AS A TEAM NEEDED TO BE IMPROVED DID NOT RISE TO THE TOP OF THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
BUT THAT'S STILL UP FOR DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF WHAT DO WE THINK THE NEED IN GOLF FACILITIES
BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ONCE WE, ONCE WE PERCENTAGE IT DOWN, IT'S AT 19.7 MILLION.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MR. UH, JOHN LAWRENCE'S VIEWPOINT ON THIS NUMBER THAT WAS THERE A PERSPECTIVE AND, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES IT AFFECT OUR FUTURE REVENUES SINCE WE HAVE REVENUE SHARES.
AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW I THINK WE ARE ON THE RECEIVING END OF THE POLL PROCESS WE GAVE WHEN SOMEONE ELSE GETS, I, UM, I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T CATCH THE ENTIRE QUESTION.
I'M PRETTY SURE YOU WERE INVOLVED WHEN THIS NUMBER WAS DECIDED.
UH, SO DO YOU HAVE ANY PERSPECTIVE ON, I THINK THE LIST WHICH CHRIS JUST SHOWED, UM, THAT IF WE, UH, IF, UH, WE AGREE TO THAT NUMBER, HOW DOES IT AFFECT, IS IT A PATCHWORK, DOES IT INCREASE THE REVENUE, UH, AND, UH, TO THE PARK DEPARTMENT BASED ON THESE IMPROVEMENTS? SO JUST YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THIS NUMBER.
I THINK FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF JUST THE NUMBER OF THE 31.5, THAT IS A, OBVIOUSLY A BIG NUMBER, BUT YOU DO HAVE THE, THE STEVENS PARK GOLF COURSE, WHICH IS A RENOVATION OF THE PRO SHOP, WHICH IS VERY SMALL.
UM, BUT, SO IF YOU IMPROVE THAT, IT DOES PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE, UM, OVERALL ATTENDANCE IN THE CAFE AND PRO SHOP.
MORE SALES, MORE REVENUES FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, MORE EVENTS AS WELL.
LARGER EVENTS, WHICH THEN CAN INCREASE YOUR REVENUE.
AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENTS AT KEATON PARK GOLF COURSE, THAT'S PRIMARILY ON THE PRO SHOP.
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SO IT'S, IT'S UPDATING IT, IT'S BRINGING IN NEW CUSTOMERS, EX EXPANDING THAT AS WELL.SO THERE IS REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.
NOW THE SALES PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S PRIMARILY MERCHANDISED FOOD AND BEVERAGE.
SO IT'S, LET'S SAY KEATON, YOU GIVE 2% AND, UM, KEATON, THERE'S STEVENS PARK, YOU'LL GET SIX OR 8% OF THEIR REVENUE.
BUT ALL OF THOSE REVENUE FIGURES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THE R F P THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE COMING UP HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
UM, OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ON THE, ON THE LIST AS FAR AS LUNA GOLF COURSE, UM, THAT'S TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR A PRO SHOP AND SOME OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
UH, THE PAVILION KEATON ALSO HAS A NUMBER IN THERE AS FAR AS, UH, EROSION CONTROL LEVEE SYSTEM AROUND IT THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT REVENUES OVERALL.
BUT IF THE LE LEVEE WERE TO FAIL, YOUR GOLF COURSE CLOSES, SO THEREFORE YOU LOSE ALL YOUR REVENUE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
UM, AND 10 TENNYSON, $2.5 MILLION THERE.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WILL TRULY BENEFIT THE GOLFER AND THE GOLF, UM, PERSPECTIVE.
BUT WE DON'T RECEIVE 100% OF THE REVENUES OF ANYTHING THAT GOES IN THERE AS FAR AS FOOD AND BEVERAGE AND SUCH.
SO WE GET A SMALLER, WE GET A PERCENTAGE OF THAT REVENUE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE PUT AROUND NINE ROUNDING 15 MILLION.
UH, I'D STILL LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE CEDAR CREST AND THE ROSE BEAD, UH, ITEMS WERE.
CEDAR CREST IS GOING TO BE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE, THE PAVILION, OUTSIDE THE PAVILION, THE COVERED AREA, UM, WHICH DOES SERVICE, UH, WEDDINGS AND, UH, GOLFING OUTINGS, UH, TOURNAMENTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IMPROVING THAT GIVES AESTHETIC, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FACILITY THAT WE'RE MAKING RIGHT NOW.
AND IT CONTINUES THOSE IMPROVEMENTS REVENUES.
IT'S GOING TO PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE GOLF PROFESSIONAL TO USE THAT OUTDOOR AREA.
UM, AS FAR AS ROSEMEAD, I CANNOT SPEAK ON THAT.
I, I CAN ACTUALLY SPEAK TO ROSEMEAD.
UM, ESSENTIALLY ROSEMEAD IS UP IN DISTRICT 12 AND BASICALLY IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PARK RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DEVELOP THAT AS A NINE PART THREE GOLF COURSE.
WE BASICALLY BRING IN THE YOUTH GOLF AND SOME OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AND TO DEVELOP A GOLF FACILITY IN THE NORTH PART OF TOWN, BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE TYPE OF FACILITIES.
AND YOUTH GOLF IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WANNA TRY AND DEVELOP AND TRY AND HELP, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
DO WE THINK 7 MILLION IS ENOUGH FOR THAT? YEAH, TO ME THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE A 10 TO 15 TO, IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE CLOSER TO 12 MILLION AS OPPOSED TO THE 7 MILLION.
BUT YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE RUNNING NUMBERS AS WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THESE SCENARIOS.
SO WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH AS A A NUMBER, THE ABILITY TO PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS WITHIN THAT NUMBER WOULD COME AFTER THE FACT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
BUT IT IS HELPFUL TO HAVE A STARTING POINT OF RIGHT.
WHAT YOU'RE EARMARKING, I MEAN, WHAT'S THERE, I LOVE STEVENS PARK AND I KNOW BO DOES AND JR 10 MILLION FOR A PRO SHOP SEEMS ASTRONOMICAL.
BUT IF, IF IT'S MORE LIKE CEDAR CREST, WHICH ACTUALLY HAS EVENT SPACE, IF THERE IS A REVENUE SHARE ON, IF THIS NEW FACILITY COULD PROVIDE A EVENT SPACE BECAUSE IT'S ON A GOLF COURSE, IT'S IN A BEAUTIFUL PART OF THE CITY, IT COULD REALLY MAKE MONEY FOR US.
I, WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO PUT IN MONEY TO MAKE MONEY, BUT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING HERE, CHRIS OR JOHN? CAUSE 10 MILLION IS A LOT FOR ONE EXISTING FACILITY.
AND CAN I SPEAK IF IT, I CAN SPEAK.
IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE MAKE THE WHOLE BUILDING.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CREATE INDOOR SPACE.
YOU FAMILIAR? THE, THE OUTDOOR SPACE GONNA BE INDOOR, BIGGER EVENTS AND, UH, MORE BATHROOMS ADA COMPLIANT.
SO A LOT OF THINGS GONNA BE FACTORED INTO THAT, THAT READ.
AND, AND, AND LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S HERE.
I'M JUST TELLING YOU WE'RE KIND OF GONNA GO INTO THAT.
SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN JUST THE PRO SHOP AND, AND, AND CEDAR CREST GOING BACK TO CEDAR CREST, THE OUTDOOR PAVILION WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE RIGHTS TO THAT.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE CONTROL CUZ THE GOLF PRO DOES NOT WANNA CONTROL THE FACILITY AT CEDAR CREST.
WILL WE CONTROL THE PAVILION TOO FOR EVENTS? WE CAN USE THE PAVILION FOR EVENTS AS WELL.
FOR THE RESERVATION DEPARTMENT OF CONTROL THAT THE RESERVATIONS WORKS WITH THE GOLF PRO.
THE GOLF PRO HAS PRIMARY ACCESS, IF YOU WILL, TO, TO THAT AREA BECAUSE IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE PART OF THE GOLF COURSE AT SUMMIT.
YEAH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT, WE'RE NOT UPSTAIRS.
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AS PART OF GOING BACK TO STEVEN'S, THAT NUMBER THAT YOU'RE SEEING, IT COULD BE LESS THAN THAT BECAUSE THE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS BASED ON A TWO-STORY FACILITY.SO THEY COULD COME DOWN TO ONE STORY FOR, SO THAT COULD BE LESS, BUT THAT'S ALL STILL IN DESIGN.
LITERALLY ANYTHING, WHAT I WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, MR. THE CORNER, I'LL COME TO YOU MR. LAWRENCE.
WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, WHICH I HAVE DISCUSSED, IS IF WE DO THAT TWO STORY BUILDING, STEVENS PARK IS ONE OF THE BEST GOLF COURSES.
IT DOESN'T HAVE DRIVING RANGE.
PUT A TECHNOLOGY DRIVING RANGE, PUT A GOLF SIMULATOR.
SO IT TAKES THAT HANDICAP AWAY FROM ONE OF THE BEST GOLF COURSES WE HAVE.
SO, SO THAT MONEY WILL, AND THEY'RE NOT EXPENSIVE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE CREATE THAT ANOTHER LEVEL AND PUT A SIMULATOR AND TAKES AWAY THE, SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD PUT MONEY AND IT'S AN UPGRADATION AND CREATING SOMETHING NEW.
UH, AND, AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, WHICH I THINK YOU'VE BEEN SEEING IN THE GOLF COURSES, WE DEFINITELY NEED SOME PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.
AND THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, AS THE TEAM, BUT YOU'VE BEEN TO NUMBER OF PROJECTS, THERE ARE WAYS WHERE WE CAN GET MONEY FROM OUTSIDE AS WELL.
SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE DO IT.
BUT, UH, SO MY PERSPECTIVE, MR. CONNOR IS NEXT AND THEN RUDY.
YEAH, MR. ALSO, UH, HE STEPPED AWAY.
SO, UH, MR.
AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE GOLF SIMULATOR AND THE IDEA ABOUT THE THREE, UH, THE NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE AT ROSEMEAD, I THINK THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO BE INNOVATIVE.
WE NEED TO BE, THESE ARE, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO COOL STUFF LIKE THIS.
SO LET'S THINK, LET'S SPEAK FORWARD THINKING.
I THINK THE NINE HOLE QUARTZ AT ROSEMEAD IS AWESOME.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE IT IN THE CITY.
SO THESE BOND PROJECTS, THESE ARE, THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO BE CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE.
SO LET'S JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO THROUGH THESE PROJECTS.
IS THE CALL FROM STEROIDS, THAT'S HOW BUSINESS, UH, THAT THAT'S HOW THE GOLF BUSINESS IS GOING.
THAT'S WHAT IS BRINGING YOUNG PEOPLE IN.
I WAS WONDERING, WHEN DID YOU TALK
I'M GONNA RECUSE MYSELF FROM SPEAKING ON STEVENS CUZ YOU KNOW, I'M THINK I'M BIASED, BUT I AGREE WITH, UH, WARD, CAN'T THINK OF HIS NAME.
AND I SUPPOSE OUR PRESIDENT KNOW WE'VE GOTTA BE INNOVATIVE, BUT NOT ONLY YET, THIS HAS BEEN GOING OVER THE LAST 50 TO A HUNDRED YEARS.
REALLY GOTTA DO SOMETHING WHERE IT'S GONNA BENEFIT NOT ONLY THIS DEPARTMENT, BUT THIS TOWN ALSO.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A BUSINESS, WE GOTTA START SHARING THE REVENUES.
I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A HORSE PARK OR A DOG PARK OR WHATEVER.
AND THIS IS TIME FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A DOG PARK IN SOUTHERN SECTOR, SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THAT ON THE BUN PACKAGE.
BLACK PEOPLE DON'T WANT A DOG PARK.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M EXACTLY ON BOARD OF WHAT KIDNEY WAS SAYING.
THIS IS THE TIME FOR US TO REALLY, REALLY SHINE HERE.
SO LET'S MAKE THIS BUN PACKAGE.
UH, I'M GLAD YOU REMEMBER MY NAME.
I, I KEEP SAYING THIS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
SOMETIME WE GET KIND OF SIDEWAYS WITH, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS, BUT, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AS GOOD IF IT WASN'T FOR STAFF.
SO I GOTTA SAY THANK YOU MR. DOSO, TO MR. LAWRENCE AND TO EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE, ESPECIALLY OUR NEW, UH, INTERIM Y'ALL, UH, UH, SECRETARY, WHICH IS OUTSTANDING.
SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT BEING EXCITED AND SO LET'S, UH, LET'S GET ON BOARD AND, AND, AND, AND, AND MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN.
I'VE LEARNED ANXIETY ABOUT BEING EXCITED.
UH, MR. GARNER, IT'S TENNYSON, NOT THE TENNYSON.
IT IS ACTUALLY LISTED IN THESE NUMBERS.
THAT WAS THE PRESENTATION, BUT THAT'S ALL UP IN THE END, DEPENDING UPON THE OUTCOME.
POINT FIVE OR SOMETHING THAT, FOR THE NINE HOLE EXECUTIVE COURSE, THAT'S ALSO, UH, YOU, UH, MR. CONNOR, ARE YOU SPEAKING? ARE YOU UH, AWARE I SEE HIM? I GUESS HE STEPPED OUT AGAINST US.
SO LET'S, MR. CONNOR OR MR. DICKEY? I'M, I'M, I WASN'T YOU, YOU, MR. CONNOR? CONNOR? NO, I'M, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, PLEASE.
I, I WAS NOT SPEAKING AND, AND BY THE WAY, IT'S CONNOR, NOT O'CONNOR.
BLAKE, COULD YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THE ROSEMEAD PLANS? SURE.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ROSEMEAD A LOT.
ROSEMEAD IS, UH, THAT 70 ACRE AREA THAT IS IN DISTRICT 12 ON THE DENTON SIDE.
WE, UH, HAVE, THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT HAS THE HIGH HOMELESS AND CRIME, UH, RATE WITH, UH, PEOPLE BLOWING STUFF UP IN THERE.
WE ACTUALLY SENT THE MOUNT OF PATROL IN THERE RECENTLY AND THEY FOUND AN AREA IN BROTHERHOOD MEETING PLACE IN ROSEMEAD.
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UH, THERE, THERE HAS BEEN MACHETE, STABBINGS.THERE'S BEEN A, UH, UH, A PERSON THAT HAS BEEN CHASING PEOPLE AROUND WITH A, UM, WITH A CHAINSAW AND RUBLES, WHICH IS THE, UH, GREENHOUSE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF, UH, ROSEMEAD.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, THERE'S A, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THE, THE MEETING WE WERE AT, IT'S UM, AT, UH, THE ARBORETUM IT'S AREA THAT'S GOT KIND OF THE HUNGER GAMES FACTIONS OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THERE THAT ALL KIND OF WAR WITH EACH OTHER.
SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WE COULD GO AND, AND FIX THAT WHOLE AREA.
UM, INSTEAD OF PIECEMEALING IT ALL TOGETHER.
UM, THE STAFF CAME UP WITH A REALLY, I THOUGHT, UM, CREATIVE IDEA TO CREATE, TO, TO MAINTAIN THE TOPOGRAPHY BECAUSE IT'S GOT A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH.
IT'S GOT A WATERFALL, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, UM, TO MAIN MAINTAIN THE TOPOGRAPHY, BRING A CULTURAL ASSET NORTH OF 6 35 CUZ WE DON'T HAVE ONE, UM, REALLY NORTH OF DOWNTOWN.
UM, AND, AND, AND MAKE THAT KIND OF FOCUSED ON YOUTH GOLF.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, A NINE HOLE THREE PAR, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, FIRST TEE DALLAS OR, OR, OR THE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR KIDS TO COME OUT THERE AND LEARN HOW TO PLAY GOLF.
UM, THEY WOULD ALSO REALLY REVITALIZE THAT AREA.
THAT AREA HAS A LOT OF, UM, MULTIFAMILY, THE MAJORITY OF THAT AREA IS MULTIFAMILY.
UM, AND SO PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA, UM, SILVER AND SO ON.
UM, AND, AND, AND, AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN DENTON COUNTY, UM, UH, IN TERMS OF PARK WISE.
SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ALL THE STARS HAVE ALIGNED FOR THAT TO, TO COME TO FRUITION, UH, TO THIS POINT.
AND, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO VARIOUS, UH, PART BOARD MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER DELSON HAS TALKED TO VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, AND, AND I, I'VE NOT HEARD ANY OBJECTION TO THE, TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF, UM, EVERYTHING I JUST SAID.
SO I LOVE THIS PROJECT AND I JUST THINK IT'S SO NEEDED AND NOT ONLY GEOGRAPHICALLY, BUT AS RECREATIONALLY AND COULD REALLY BE A DETERRENT FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
SO I WOULD PROPOSE RAISING THE GOLF, IMPROVE THE GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS NUMBER.
AND FROM 19.7 TO 2223 JR YOU'RE SAYING 26%, 6%, WHAT IS IT NOW? IT'S 4.8.
I JUST THINK THERE'S SOME PRETTY, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER SUGGESTION.
INCREASE THAT AND PERCENTAGE OF THAT PUT IT IN MATCHING FUNDS.
SO LET'S SAY, UH, 19 MILLION, WE DO IT IN NORMAL FOR 5 MILLION IN MATCHING.
SO ROSEBY, MAYBE WE FIND A PARTNER WHO MATCHES TO, UH, SURE.
SO THEN, THEN WE AGGRESSIVELY WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS MORE, UH, INCENTIVIZED TO COME AND HELP OUR GOLF COURSES.
AND OF COURSE SOME OF THAT'S GONNA CHANGE SUBJECT TO YEAH.
THAT ALL, BUT THIS IS DEVELOPED.
BUT I, UH, THIS IS LONG OVERDUE AND REALLY CAN BE TRANSFORMATIVE.
I MEAN, LOOK, THE, YOU PASS ROSEMEAD PARK, ROSEMEAD PARK AS YOU'RE DRIVING TO THE BYRON NELSON.
LITERALLY, AND, AND, AND THE LOCATION OF THIS, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING I DIDN'T SAY IT'S, IT'S ON IN A BUTTS, THE, THE GEORGE BUSH FREEWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A, FROM A BEING ABLE TO ACCESS IT STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET TO IT FROM ANYWHERE IN DALLAS BECAUSE IT'S NOT KIND OF BURIED IN, IN, IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE HIGHWAY ACCESS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, SO FOR, FOR EASE OF ACCESS TO OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, DALLAS, THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, I MEAN, WE COULD, WE COULD MAKE SOME, AND AND I KNOW THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, I HAD TO GO OFF SCREEN FOR A SECOND, BUT IN TERMS OF US SHARING IN REVENUES FROM, FROM OUR, OUR ASSETS LIKE THE GOLF COURSES, UM, YOU KNOW, I I, IN MY HEAD, THIS IS A, A HUGE, UM, AREA WHERE WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LOT OF TIMES ABOUT WHY ARE WE SENDING TO OTHER, OTHER, TO OUR FRIENDS OUTSIDE OF DALLAS.
I THINK WE WOULD HAVE PLANO, RICHARDSON, CARROLLTON, FARMERS BRANCH, PEOPLE COMING TO DALLAS, UM, TO, TO THIS AREA, TO, TO PLAY, TO PLAY GOLF AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, INCREASE OUR REVENUE.
SO I, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT ON THE GOLF COURSES.
UM, I MEAN, FLUFFING UP OUR PRO CHOPS IS GREAT, BUT TENON, IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN EXISTENCE AND WE DON'T HAVE, THERE'S NO MONEY IN HERE FOR THAT.
I MEAN, 2.5 IS NOT ENOUGH TO REBUILD A NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE IF THAT OTHER GROUP DOESN'T COME THROUGH.
TWO AND A HALF MILLION COULD GET YOU TO THE RENOVATION WORK ON THE GOLF COURSE BASED ON WHAT WE SPENT ON 18 HOLE IMPROVEMENTS, 18 HOLE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE LAST TIME WE DID ONE CEDAR CREST OR EVEN LUMA VISTA WAS ROUGHLY 3.1 MILLION.
AND THAT INCLUDED AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM.
SO COMING IN THERE AND USING THE EXISTING TOPOGRAPHY AND REALLY REDUCING THE SCUT SIZE,
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BUT OF COURSE IT ALL DOES COME BACK DOWN TO WHAT'S YOUR DESIGN COSTS AND WHERE ARE YOU EXPANDING IT TO.BUT WE BELIEVE THAT TWO AND A HALF MILLION TO INCLUDE A NEW IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS, IS FEASIBLE.
AND AS LONG AS THERE'S SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR TENSON, CUZ IT'S GREAT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE PRO SHOT BETTER SOMEWHERE.
BUT IF WE HAVE AN UNUSABLE EROSION FAILING GOLF COURSE AT TENSON, THEN THAT'S A WHOLE GOLF COURSE THAT'S NOT AGREED.
SO IS THAT 27 BILLION? RUDY, YOU HAD A COMMENT, PLEASE? I DO.
I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS ONE.
UM, I'D LIKE TO START WITH A FULL DISCLOSURE OF ABOUT GOLF.
UM, AND I'M PROBABLY IN THE MI MINORITY ON THIS.
I'D RATHER HAVE A BEVERAGE AND DRIVE A CAR THAN HIT A BALL WITH A STICK.
UH, BUT IT, SO IF THAT DISCOUNTS WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, I COULD RESPECT THAT, BUT I NEED TO SAY IT ANYWAY.
UH, GOLF, UH, AS WE ALL KNOW, IS A SPORT WITH A VERY HIGH COST BARRIER OF ENTRY.
I GET THAT THESE CITY FACILITIES CAN LOWER THAT COST OF ENTRY, BUT, UH, THINGS GETTING LESS MONEY THAN GOLF, UH, IN THIS PROPOSAL.
UH, AND, AND I WANT TO STRESS, UH, FROM A USERSHIP AND NUMBERS PERSPECTIVE, OKAY, UH, THE QUESTION REALLY IS CAN WE PROVE GOLF HAS MORE USERSHIP THAN WHAT I'M ABOUT TO ASK ABOUT, UM, ATHLETIC FIELD IMPROVEMENTS, HOW MANY CITIZENS USE ATHLETIC FIELDS VERSUS GET OUT THERE AND HIT BALLS WITH STICKS, TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.
HOW MANY CITIZENS CAN PICK UP A SECONDHAND BIKE OR SOME OLD RUNNING SHOES AND GET OUT THERE AND REALLY LOVE ON OUR TRAILS PLAYGROUNDS? WE KNOW KIDS GO BONKERS FOR THIS.
UH, PLAYGROUNDS NO EXPLANATION NEEDED.
I THINK WE'VE SAID A LOT ABOUT PLAYGROUNDS, UH, SERVICE CENTERS.
LET'S, THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE USERSHIP FOR OUR CITIZENS, BUT WE KNOW THAT HAPPY STAFF EQUALS HAPPY PARKS EQUALS HAPPY CITIZENS RACKET SPORTS.
THIS IS GROWING WAY FASTER THAN GOLF AND I'M WILLING TO BET ANYONE LUNCH, DINNER AND HAPPY HOUR ON IT.
LAND ACQUISITION, CAN WE SAY THAT GOLF IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A PIPELINE FOR THE FUTURE? THERE'S DATA OUT THERE.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE OUR STAFF TO PRODUCE THIS DATA ON GOLF.
AND IF THEY CAN PROVE WITH DATA AND USERSHIP NUMBERS THAT, THAT GOLF IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EACH OF THE THINGS I SAID, THEN I CAN SUPPORT A HIGH NUMBER FOR GOLF.
AND I THINK THIS NUMBER NEEDS TO BE REDUCED DRASTICALLY.
SO LET ME REBUT THAT QUICKLY JUST BECAUSE I DON I DON'T CALL EITHER RUDY.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DIVERSITY.
THANK WITHIN OUR PARK DEPARTMENT.
I THINK SPRAY GROUNDS AND POOLS ARE IMPORTANT, BUT I ALSO THINK GOLF IS A YEAR-ROUND SPORT THAT WE SERVE THE POPULACE AT A MUCH LOWER COST.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BELONG TO A COUNTRY CLUB.
THEY CAN PLAY AT A HIGH QUALITY, UM, COURSE THAT THEIR TAX DOLLARS SUPPORT, THAT COSTS 50, 60 BUCKS A ROUND.
THAT IS THE CHEAPEST ROUND OF GOLF THEY'LL GET IN ANY COUNTY IN A FIVE COUNTY AREA.
AND I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO THINK LARGER THAN JUST KIDS, THAN JUST, UM, TRAIL USERS.
WE HAVE TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL KINDS OF PARK USERS.
AND WE HAVE LONG HAD A HISTORY IN GOLF IN THIS CITY AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE.
LOOK, IF GOLF ISN'T GROWING, THEN WHY DID THE PGA MOVE HERE? SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE REPRESENTED OF SO MANY, UM, PARTS OF THE CITY FOR PEOPLE WHO COME FROM ALL PARTS OF THE CITY TO PLAY AT OUR GOLF COURSES.
SO I'M, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I DON'T THINK OTHER ELEMENTS DESERVE MORE FUNDING, BUT I WILL FIGHT ON THIS BECAUSE I DO THINK GOLF IS A GROWING SPORT.
ALL OF OUR GOLF COURSES HAVE CLUBS THAT THEY WILL BO THEY WILL LET YOU USE.
AND SO I THINK THIS IS AN IMPORTANT INVESTMENT NOT ONLY JUST FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS BUT FOR THE REGION.
AND, AND TO ROSE MEAD'S POINT, I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO ATTRACT GOLFERS FROM PLANO, RICHARDSON, UM, FRISCO ELSEWHERE THAT WILL BE PAYING TO PLAY ON A DALLAS COURSE.
UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I SAID IS CITY FACILITIES CAN ABSOLUTELY LOWER THE COST OF ENTRY.
BUT OKAY, LET'S JUST PUT THE NUMBERS UP.
LET'S, LET'S ASK FOR LEADERSHIP NUMBERS AND COMPARE 'EM.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET OUT VOTE.
I THINK HE WANTS WANNA PLAY THE REALITY THAT YEAH.
AND DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE OR OTHER.
AS HE SAID, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE DIVERSE FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM, RUDY.
SO LET'S COME TO, YOU KNOW, THE ONE WHERE YOU ARE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT AND SEE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE, WE INCLUSIVE ABOUT EVERYTHING.
SO LET WE, WE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT OKAY.
IT'S LIKE HOW CAN WE TRY AND GET ALL OF THEM DONE AT THE BEST, UH, EQUITABLE BEING.
UH, TAYLOR, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT?
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I DID.UM, I'LL START WITH SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, WELL ALSO TO RUDY'S POINT, I THINK HE JUST ASKED THE SAME THING THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT THE POOLS.
LIKE, LET'S SEE THE UTILIZATION AND USAGE OF IT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN UNFAIR THING TO ASK, I THINK IS ACTUALLY ACCURATE TO ASK THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A PRETTY BIG LINE ITEM FOR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW THE, THE DATA ON.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USAGE IS.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THE USERS ARE.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO ASK HOW DO WE CATEGORIZE GOLF COURSES? ARE THEY A PARK? ARE THEY A TRAIL, ARE THEY A OPEN SPACE? WHERE DO THEY GET CATEGORIZED IN THAT OBJECT PARK SEPARATE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEIR OWN SEPARATE CATEGORY.
SO IT IS NOT CONSIDERED A PARK TRAIL OR OPEN SPACE? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONSIDERED GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS THEMSELVES.
ALRIGHT, SO I JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY, THE MISSION OF DALLAS PARK AND REC IS THE DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT MISSION IS TO CHAMPION LIFELONG RECREATION AND SERVE AS A RESPONSIBLE STEWARD OF CITY PARKS, TRAILS, AND OPEN SPACES.
THAT'S OUR YOU'RE GETTING TOO LEGAL THEN.
LET'S VOTE TO TAKE WE'RE NOT GETTING LEGAL.
THAT'S JUST OUR MISSION STATEMENT.
I CAN, I'M JUST SAYING WHAT OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS OF THE DALLAS PARKS DEALER.
NO, I THINK THAT THAT'S, UH, NO, I TAKE YOUR POINT ABOUT USAGE THAT BERKELEY IS, BUT GALL, WHATEVER WE NAME IT, THEY'RE PART OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE BOTH UP OR DOWN.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M, CAN I MAKE, CAN I FINISH MY POINT? YEAH, YEAH.
SO THE ONLY REASON, ONLY REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS AS WE LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE FUNDING, IF OUR MISSION IS ABOUT FUND IS, IF THAT'S OUR MISSION, THEN WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS WITH A LENS OF THAT MISSION IN MIND.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT AND I SEE PLAYGROUNDS, IT'S AT 6.5 MILLION AND WE GOT 19 GOING TO TO, UH, TO GOLF COURSES.
AND I THINK THAT'S COOL, YOU KNOW, TO BRING MORE PEOPLE IN.
I'M WITH ALL THAT, BUT IS THAT LIVING INTO THE MISSION OF WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS? AND THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE LENS ON.
EVERYONE IS COMING INTO THIS WITH THEIR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND AGENDAS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO UPHOLD THE MISSION AND VISION OF WHAT THE PARK AND REC DEPARTMENT IS.
THAT'S WHY WE GOT APPOINTED TO THIS POSITION.
THE, THE MISSION, I I TAKE MISSION STATEMENT TO HEART AND THINGS THAT I DO AND THE WAY THAT I OPERATE, IF THAT WAS IN THE MISSION STATEMENT FOR PARK AND REC, THEN SO BE IT.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE DOING THAT.
BUT THAT'S NOT EVEN A CATEGORY OF OUR MISSION AND IT'S GETTING A MAJOR CHUNK OF THE DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, AND IT'S, I I JUST WANNA KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND TO RUDY'S POINT, I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS INVALID TO ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, THE USAGE OF THAT.
UM, AND THAT I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
AND I CLEARLY KEEP ON HEARING PLAYGROUNDS.
I HEARD FROM, AND WE HAVE NOT GOT THERE.
I, I THINK MIGHT BE THE NUMBER IS TOO LOW.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT, UH, COMPETITION BETWEEN DIFFERENT FACILITIES OR DO WE FIND MORE MONEY FOR PLAYGROUND IF WE DON'T, THEN DO WE COME BACK TO GOLF'S COURSES? MAYBE.
SO, SO LET'S, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT IN THAT PERSPECTIVE IF THAT'S OKAY.
SO, UH, ON GOLF CENTER, CHRIS, YOU HAVE, UH, PRESIDENT
ON, UM, PARK BOARD MEMBER TOS BASICALLY, UM, GOLF, GOLF IS DEFINED AS RECREATION AS PART OF THE N R P A DEFINITIONS.
SO GOLF IS WELL WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF OUR MISSION STATEMENT AS AS RECREATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT WE'RE NOT OUTSIDE.
SO YEAH, AND TECHNICALLY, SO NOW YOU CLARIFIED YEAH.
BE A PART OF THE MISSION ALSO, MR. TO, OKAY, SO NOW WE MOVE TO LAND ACQUISITION FUND STAFF.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT DIFFERENCE.
I I, I THINK THIS IS, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS CATEGORY.
WE SHOULD FIGURE OUT A PERCENTAGE.
WE WANNA BE, I I WAS THINKING LIKE 2%.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS WITH, BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED.
LAND ACQUISITION, MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL SHARED FACILITIES SEEMS LIKE IT'S OVERLAPPED BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S CON CONTAINED WITHIN LAND ACQUISITION BEFORE WE START ADDING OR CUTTING EXACTLY WHAT IS IT IRON LAND? NO, WHAT SPECIFIC LAND ARE WE TARGETING IN, IN THAT PARTICULAR BUCKET? OR DO WE NOT KNOW YET? WE DON'T KNOW.
WE PUT IN A GENERAL NUMBER TO BASICALLY COVER LAND ACQUISITION COSTS, BUT THOSE LAND ACQUISITION PROPERTIES HAVE NOT BEEN DEFINED AT THIS POINT.
SO THAT BUCKET WOULD BE GENERAL AND THEN THE MULTI DEVOL DEPARTMENTAL WOULD BE SPECIFIC LAND ACQUISITIONS
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THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED, LIKE THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, LIKE THE BUCKNER PROJECT THAT WOULD BE IN THAT BUCKET.ARE WE ALREADY OWNED OR THERE'D BE ACQUISITIONS THERE? THIS WOULD BE LAND THAT WE DO NOT OWN THAT WE NEED TO ACQUIRE.
THAT IS CORRECT FOR BOTH DEPARTMENT, BOTH CAP, YEAH.
UM, AND BASICALLY THE BUCKNER FORNEY PROJECT AND INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT ARE IN THOSE MULTI DEPARTMENTAL PROJECTS AND WE DO NOT OWN THAT LAND.
THE MLK CENTER, OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T OWN THE LAND.
AND IS MULTI IS IS INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT AND MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL BECAUSE WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE EXPECTING TO SEE, UH, ECO DEV MONEY IN THE BOND PROJECT.
UH, MR. DICKEY, I SAW YOUR HAND THAT SIR, YOU MR. PRESIDENT? I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY IN GENERAL, I THINK LAND ACQUISI IS WAY TOO LOW.
NUMBER I, IN OUR DEVELOPMENT IN, IN DALLAS, WE'VE GOTTA INVEST MORE IN LAND ACQUISITION.
IT'S GONNA BE HARDER TO GET IT HARDER EVERY YEAR.
AND I THINK THAT'S JUST GOTTA BE A PRIORITY WITH GOOD LONG-TERM PLANNING.
LAND ACQUISITION TO ME IS ENORMOUSLY IMPORTANT BUCKET THAN THIS NUMBER TO ME IS TOO LOW.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
CAN WE GO TO, CAN WE GO TO BOND WITH UH, JUST AN AMOUNT THAT'S NOT DESIGNATED? I MEAN, CAN WE DO THAT? LIKE WHEN WE ASK FOR THIS MONEY, WE JUST GO, WE JUST WANT 15 MILLION TO BUY LAND AND THEY'RE LIKE, HERE IT IS.
OR DO WE HAVE TO SAY WE WANNA BUY LAND IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA? OR I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT.
WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATIONS WHERE WE WANNA BUY LAND BECAUSE THEN THAT WILL BECOME PUBLIC.
BUT IT, IS IT REQUIRED WHEN WE SUBMIT OUR ASK OR DO THEY ALLOW US TO HAVE JUST GENERAL BUCKETS? THEY ALLOW US TO JUST HAVE A GENERAL BUCKET FOR LAND ACQUISITION TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE IDENTIFY THE PARCELS AND THEN BASICALLY THE, THE, THE PRICE GOES UP.
OH, SO LAST TIME, SO IN 2017 WE GOT ALMOST 25 MILLION AS A REFERENCE AND I'M ASSUMING WE'VE SPENT ALL THAT
SO ALMOST ALL THAT WENT TO DOWNTOWN PARKS LAST TIME.
UH, WELL, YEAH, THEY HAVE THAT SEPARATE AT 35 MILLION.
THAT'S THE LIST I'M LOOKING AT.
IN 2017, DOWNTOWN PARK'S GOT 35 AND THEN LAND ACQUISITION WE HAD 24.6.
I THINK THE NUMBER IS LOW, BUT ONE THING KEEP IN MIND THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, GARRETT IS IDENTIFYING THE EMPTY LAND INVENTORY AS WELL, WHICH CITY WOULD WE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO.
SO THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PRESSURE ON US TO DEVELOP THOSE AS PARKS AS WELL.
HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE PROJECT IN DOWNTOWN AND MR. CONNOR IF, UH, RYAN O'CONNOR, I THINK IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC PROJECT, WHICH PHILIP KINGSTON IS WANTING TO GIVE US $500,000 TO TAKE AWAY, THAT'S A DOWNTOWN ATHLETIC COMPLEX WHERE THERE IS A NEED.
AND THAT CAN BE A GREAT LAND ACQUISITION FOR US TO BUILD SOMETHING UNIQUE.
SO BY DO WITH THE NUMBER IS, UH, A LITTLE LOW HAND, BUT, UH, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER WE COME UP WITH? ANY ELSE? DO I SEE ANY OTHER COMMENTS HERE? REAL QUICK QUESTION.
IN 2017 WHEN WE DID LAND ACQUISITION, WE DID IT THE SAME WAY.
WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
NOW I I THINK IT'S, IT'S KIND OF HIGH.
AND THE REASON I SAY THIS IS CAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE CH THE UH, SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE BOND IS CHALLENGING WITH FINDING LAND THAT WE ALREADY OWN TO TURN INTO POTENTIAL PARK SITES.
SO I THINK WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA PAY OUR OWN CITY FOR THOSE PROPERTIES ARE WE? NO.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING IT'S A LITTLE, WE'LL HAVE SOME LAND.
HOPEFULLY KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION WHY WE WILL, UH, THINK ON THIS ONE.
I WOULDN'T REDUCE IT, BUT I WOULDN'T REDUCE MY SHOCK.
SO IF IT SHOULD BE, LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS.
SHOULD WE, ARE WE OKAY LEAVING WHERE IT IS? UH, MR. DICKEY, DID YOU WANT TO, DID YOU HAVE YOUR END UP AGAIN, SIR? NO, I JUST WANNA REITERATE, I I THINK THERE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES INCLUDING THE TAYLOR FARMS OVER THERE EAST OF FARMER'S MARKET.
UH, THAT'S A FAIRLY BIG NUMBER I THINK.
AND I JUST THINK I'M, IT'S OKAY TO DISAGREE, BUT I THINK LAND ACQUISITION NUMBER NEEDS TO BE MUCH HIGHER.
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ME AND I'M READY TO MOVE ON MR. FINES.I JUST AGREE WITH THE, UH, LOGIC THAT MR. DICKEY HAS THAT, YOU KNOW, LAND IS GONNA CONTINUE TO COST MORE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I I THINK THAT IT IS, IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO IF WE CAN INCREASE IT BECAUSE WHAT 15 MILLION TO GET YOU TO TODAY WON'T GET IT FOR YOU THREE YEARS FROM NOW.
SO, UH, WELL, GIVEN THE NUMBER OF THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK AND CUT SOMETHING ELSE.
SO SHOULD WE GIVE THIS TO 20 MILLION? I MEAN I I THINK MAYBE EAR MARKINGS THAT THAT WHEN YOU GET TO SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE CUTTING, YOU SAY YOU CAN'T, WE PUT THAT BACK INTO, I WOULD SAY EROSION CONTROL AND LAND ACQUISITION ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE EARMARKED.
AND SO CHRIS, I WOULD INCREASE THIS AND THEN NOTATE IT, WHAT WE INCREASED.
SO SUDDENLY WE COME UP WITH 600 MILLION, WE KNOW WHERE WE INCREASED AND WHERE WE NEED TO GO BACK.
IF WE GET MORE MONEY, PUT MORE MONEY IN LAND.
SO IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, YOU WANTED 20 MILLION ON THIS LINE? YES, PLEASE.
MASTER PLANS THE CURRENT LINE, THE RULE.
UH, CHRIS, JUST A BRIEF, UH, CAN YOU GIVE OVERVIEW ABOUT MASTER PLAN MONEY AND HOW DO YOU DECIDED THAT BASICALLY WE ESTIMATED THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO? PROBABLY A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN, IT'S NOT JUST THE MASTER PLAN.
A LOT OF THESE MASTER PLANS ARE TIED TO LIKE A PHASE ONE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO THERE'S CAPITAL MONEY IN THERE AS WELL.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS, YOU KNOW, 6 MILLION WORTH OF A MASTER PLAN.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I'M DOING UM, HAT MOORE MASTER PLAN
UH, IS THIS FOR, IS THIS FOR HIRING A CONSULTANT TO CREATE A MASTER PLAN OR IS THIS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF EXISTING MASTER PLANS? DEVELOPING MASTER PLANS, BUT HOW WOULD YOU IT'S FOR, IT'S FOR BOTH ACTUALLY.
IT'S FOR DEVELOPING THE MASTER PLAN AND THEN IT COULD BE FOR PHASE ONE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MASTER PLANS AS WELL.
HOW WOULD YOU EVER PRIORITIZE THAT? WE DO HAVE A MASTER PLAN CATEGORY AND THE NEEDS INVENTORY THAT AGAIN IS BEING SCORED IS TO BE THIS KIND OF LIZ IN ALL THE OTHER BUCKETS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
THAT'S YOU'RE I'M RUBBER STAMPING SOMETHING THAT IS GONNA BASICALLY ABSORBS MONEY THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A LOT OF MASTER PLANS NORTH OF 30.
BECAUSE WHEN THEY LOOKED AT, THEY GAVE THE PARKDALE LAKE A TOTAL FOR THE GROUP THAT Y'ALL SELECTED, THEY WERE TOLD TO DO THEIR DEVELOPMENT FOR $75,000 AND WE CLARIFIED THAT AFTER THE FACT THAT THAT SHOULD, THAT NUMBER SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN SOMEBODY DOES A $75,000 MASTER PLAN AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING $10 MILLION, IT'S CONSULTING TO ME THAT SOMEBODY IN OUR GROUP GAVE, UM, A CONSULTANT A $75,000 BUDGET ON A NEW SIGNATURE PROJECT.
SO THAT THAT WAS PRETTY UM, OKAY, EYEOPENING.
SO ON THIS, CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE JANET, CHRIS IF YOU HAVE IT LAST TIME, HOW AFTER LAST BOND, HOW MANY MASTER PLANS WE HAVE CREATED AND HOW MANY HAVE BEEN, UH, CAUGHT TO THE ATION EXECUTION LEVEL TWO? IT'S 2.2 IN 2017.
AND DID WE, HOW MANY PERCENTAGE WISE USED THEM? NO.
DID, LET'S SAY WE CREATED 10 MASTER PLAN, DID WE EXECUTE THREE OR WE EXECUTED EIGHT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATE AT OUR FINGERTIPS PRESENT.
BECAUSE IF I HAVE TO GUESS, I THINK WE CREATE MORE MASTER PLANS THAN WE NEED TO.
AND DO WE HAVE SPECIFIC MASTER PLANS IDENTIFIED WITHIN THIS OR IS THIS JUST A GENERAL BUCKET FOR MASTER PLANS? THIS, THE, THE NUMBER THAT WE ESTIMATED WAS JUST A GENERAL BUCKET FOR MASTER PLANS.
LIKE I SAID, WE DO HAVE IN THE NEEDS OF INVENTORY MASTER PLAN, UM, CATEGORY.
THAT WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF, LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN SCORED.
WE JUST NEED TO, TO UM, PRIORITIZE IT AND, AND PUT IT IN THIRD LIST.
SO THIS IS 6 MILLION OR A CHUNK OF THIS I, I DON'T KNOW KNOW THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS DIRECTLY TANGIBLE TO OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO USE.
I WOULD RATHER MOVE SOME OF THIS MONEY OR A BIG CHUNK OF IT INTO THE LAND ACQUISITION BUCKETS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE WE HA WE DEFINITELY HAVE IDENTIFIED NEEDS,
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YOU KNOW, MASTER PLANS.TO ME, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY SEEMS LIKE A GOOD INVESTMENT OF OUR BOND DOLLARS.
I WOULD RATHER SEE IT GO INTO LAND LAND ACQUISITION.
JUST TO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT CATEGORY.
LIKE WE, ELIA DOESN'T MY UNDERSTANDING HAVE AC AN ACTUAL MASTER PLAN EVEN THOUGH WE'RE DOING A, A WHOLE, WE'RE ABOUT TO START PHASE ONE SO THAT THAT WOULD BE IN THERE.
YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE IN THERE TO PLAN THE REST OF THE, OF THE FOR ALIA PROJECT.
I MEAN THAT'S A CASE WHERE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT TO YEAH, TO HAVE A PLAN FOR A MAJOR PROJECT THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE HAD A PLAN FOR A WHILE AGO.
I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE'RE ALL SAYING IS THE SAME THING.
I THINK IT'S OKAY TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AVAILABLE WHEN YOU COME UP ACROSS SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE YOU GO, OH WE REALLY NEED A THOUGHTFUL APPROACH TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS.
BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING HERE'S 6 MILLION, GO IMPLEMENT WHATEVER MASTER PLANS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE.
CUZ TO ME THAT'S NOT A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
AND WE, WE MAY ALREADY, IF YOU'RE MASTER, LET'S SAY IT'S SAMUEL GRAND AND THEY'RE MASTER PLANS FOR A N AUDITORIUM.
WELL IF I'M ALREADY OVER HERE GIVING YOU MONEY FOR N AUDITORIUMS, NOW I'M GIVING YOU MONEY IN THE N AUDITORIUM BUCKET AND I'M GIVING YOU MONEY IN THE, IN THE MASTER PLAN BUCKET.
SO I, I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE SPECIFIC TO MASTER PLANS, SPECIFICALLY THE CREATION OF A MASTER PLAN, NOT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF AN EXISTING MA MASTER PLAN.
CAUSE I THINK THAT MUDD'S THE WATER, AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT? THAT MASTER PLAN COST SHOULD BE THE PART OF THE PROJECT FORSTER DAHLIA'S MASTER PLAN SHOULD BE PART OF THE PROJECT OF FOREST.
A DAHLIA NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE A BUDGET AND THEN WE HAVE MASTER PLAN.
I DON'T KNOW HOW SO, BUT WE MAY NEED A MASTER PLAN FOR PARKDALE LAKE.
I MEAN WE MAY MONEY FOR THOSE AND THOSE RUN, I THINK LAST TIME I CHECKED MASTER PLAN THE GP CHEAP ONES ARE TWO 50 AND THE REALLY EXPENSIVE ONES CAN BE AS EXPENSIVE AS A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO YOU KNOW, HAVING, LAST TIME WE HAD 2.2 IN THERE.
NOW WE'RE ASKING FOR SIX, I MEAN WOULD NOT KEEP A 0.5%, A HALF PERCENT EQUALS ABOUT 2 MILLION.
I'D SAY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND THREE WOULD I WOULD SAY CHOOSE ENOUGH.
I THINK WE MATCH EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD LAST TIME.
WE'VE HAD MASTER PLANS THAT WE NEVER, WE NEVER USED.
YOU GET A BIG FANCY MASTER PLAN THERE.
YOU HAVE NO MONEY DAN GET 3 MILLION REQUEST THE, THAT WE KEEPING THE SAME NUMBER 2.2 LIKE LAST TIME AS WELL.
CHRIS, I KNOW WE PROBABLY CAN GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THIS, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD SOME KIND OF OH, SORRY, GO AHEAD KRISTEN.
AFTER THAT I'LL A RUNNING LIST ON SOME OF THE MASTER PLANS THAT WE NEEDED TO UPDATE OR WE HAD OUR COMP PLAN.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT SKATE PARKS, GOLF PARKS, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD GO PLAYGROUND, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME RUNNING LISTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY EQUATE TO 600, 6.35 MILLION, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME, WE DO NEED A NEW COMP PLAN.
AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS THAT HAVE TRAIL PLA SORRY, UH, MASTER PLANS THAT ARE OVER 20 YEARS OLD THAT MAY NEED TO BE REVISITED.
SO IT COULD BE UPDATING OR PARTS THAT HAVE HAD LITTLE TO NO ATTENTION THAT NEED SOME SORT OF PLAY TO KICKSTART THEM FOR.
HAD TO BE AT MY HIRE AN EMPLOYEE THAT SPECIALIZES IN MASTER PLAN HALF AND AT OUR COSTS TREMENDOUSLY.
MR. DICKEY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT UH, MASTER PLANS, UH, ARE, I AGREE WITH MR. KITNER.
THEY'RE NOT AS TANGIBLE TO OUR PEOPLE AND WE HAVE OTHER NEEDS.
AND TO SEE A MASTER PLAN SIT ON THE SHELF WAITING FOR A BOND OR THE NEXT BOND, THE YEARS GO ON AND THEN WE HAVE TO DO AN EXPENSIVE UPDATE.
IT'S SO FAR REMOVED WE NEED THEM.
BUT I, I AGREE WITH DECREASING THE MASTER PLANS AND FIGURING OUT A WAY TO DO ONES THAT WE HAVE A, THAT WON'T SIT ON THE SHELF.
WE'VE JUST, WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE MASTER PLAN FOR SAMUEL FARM.
WE COMMISSIONED TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO FOR 400,000.
NOT A PEAK OUT OF STUDIO OUTSIDE, AT LEAST THAT I'VE HEARD.
WE DON'T HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR BACHMAN LAKE AND NEVER HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST PARKS IN THE CITY.
YOU KNOW HOW THAT EVER HAPPENED? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT'S KIND OF MAKES ME CALL IN THE QUESTION OUR LEASE.
THE UTILITY OF MASTER PLANS AND HOW THEY WORK IN
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OUR SYSTEM ARE IF THERE ARE FLAWS IN OUR MASTER PLAN SYSTEM.JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS IS WHERE WE ALL ARE AGREEING TO KEEP THE NUMBER AS SLOT.
CAN, CAN I ASK MR, WELL, JUST RELATED, SO I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SPENDING OUR BOND MONEY ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH A 20 YEAR LIFESPAN.
IS A MASTER PLAN SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVEN QUALIFY IN THAT CATEGORY? I DON'T KNOW.
WE KEEP EVERYTHING FOR MORE THAN 10, 20 YEARS.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO MULTI DEPARTMENTAL SHARED USED FACILITIES.
THIS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY.
IT'S JUST GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW ON THAT MAN.
SO AGAIN, THESE ARE BASICALLY THE FACILITIES, THE MLK CENTER, THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, UM, AND BUCKNER FORNEY.
SO THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT NEEDS 20 MILLION FROM THE MLK CENTER.
AND BUCKNER FORNEY WE ESTIMATED AT 15 MILLION.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN NECESSARILY CUT THIS TOO MUCH.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED ABOUT 50 MILLION IN THIS BUCKET TO COVER 30 MILLION BETWEEN BUCKNER, FORNEY AND MLK CENTER AND THEN 20 MILLION FROM THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT.
DO YOU KNOW THE TOTAL BUDGET OF MLK CENTER? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UM, CONGRESSMAN CROCKETT HAS PUT IN A, A REQUEST FOR LIKE 30 MILLION TO PUT TOWARDS THE SENATE.
SO IT'S, WE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THE WORKS WHERE THAT CAN BE A, A STATE OF THEY ART FACILITY.
SO THE 15 MILLION THAT THEY'RE ALLOCATING IS GONNA BE A FRACTION OF WHAT THEY NEED.
CUZ IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF THINGS.
SO WE WILL ONLY BE A FRACTION OF THE WHOLE PROJECT, BUT WE'LL HAVE, BUT WE'LL HAVE THE PARK THOUGH, ALL THE LAND AROUND IT.
IF THEY BUILD ONE FOUR STORY SOMETHING, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A BIGGER PARK LAND BECAUSE THEY'LL TEAR DOWN ALL THE OLD FACILITY.
SO ARE ARE ANY OF THESE, SO JUST TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE THE BUCKNER FORNEY, ARE WE, IS THAT ALL S FUNDING BUCKNER? NO, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S THE ONE WHERE D I S D IS COMMITTING MONEY.
THE LIBRARIES WILL BE IN THERE.
AGAIN, CITY SERVICES, A MEDICAL FACILITY LIKE, UM, JUANITA K CRAB.
SO HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE 15? IS THAT WHAT WE REMEMBER? IT'S BE A FRACTION OF WHAT IT'S GONNA ASK.
I'M SAYING HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THAT? IS THAT WHAT HAS BEEN ASKED OF US? OR IS THIS JUST WHAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE? OR ARE WE PAYING FOR A PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT? WE'RE PAYING FOR A PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WAS OUR BEST ESTIMATE AT THIS POINT OF WHAT THAT PORTION WOULD BE.
YOU, IT'S NOT A HARD FAST OR WE WON'T MATCH OR WE WON'T COME TO THE NEW UM, SAME THING WITH THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT.
IS THAT A SPECULATION ON WHAT WE THINK WE WOULD NEED IN ORDER TO BUILD OUT THE PART PARTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT? THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, THAT 40 MILLION, THERE'S, THERE'S 20, THERE'S 20 MILLION THAT'S PLANNED TO BE GOING TO GO IN THE ECO BOND, UM, INITIATIVE AND 20 MILLION IN OURS.
AND THAT 40 MILLION IS REALLY PLANNED FOR LAND ACQUISITION IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR MORE PARCELS THAT NEED TO BE BOUGHT TO ACTUALLY CREATE THE PARK FOR THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE IS, IS ACQUIRING THOSE ADDITIONAL PARCELS TO CREATE THE PARK.
THAT'LL BE THE CENTERPIECE OF THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT.
SO THE 20 FOR THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT IS SORT OF A HARD 20.
BECAUSE THERE'S, THAT'S GONNA BE MATCHED BY THE POINT THERE'S MATCHING.
SO THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT NEGOTIABLE IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT.
SO IF WE'VE GOT THIS NUMBER, WE'VE GOT 28, 28 HERE, 20 IS ALREADY DESIGNATED FOR THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT.
SO THE BIG QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO ONLY GIVE 4 MILLION EACH TO THE BUCKNER FORNEY AND THE MLK CENTER, OR DO WE NEED TO RAISE THAT NUMBER TO COME UP TO, I MEAN, THEY BOTH WANT 15.
WHERE DID YOU CUT IT FROM? ARE YOU LOOKING? WELL, ON THIS, ON OUR THING HERE, MULTI-DEPARTMENT SHARED USE.
IF WE'RE MEETING THE FOUR 50 THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO, IT'S GOT 28 MILLION.
AND SO OUT OF THE 28 MILLION, IF WE KNOW IT'S A HARD 20 FOR THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A HARD 15 FOR BOTH OF THE OTHER ONE.
WELL, THEN YOU'RE GONNA COME UP.
YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER 22 MILLION.
IT'S GONNA BE MORE THAN THAT AT THE END OF IT.
BUT YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BRING MONEY UP AND, AND WHEN YOU SAY HARD NUMBER FOR INTERNATIONAL, THAT MEANS THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING, NOT WHAT WE ALREADY AGREED ON.
BUT THAT'S MONEY GONNA YEAH, IT'S A MATCH.
ECO D'S GONNA PUT IN 20 MILLION IF WE AGREE, IF WE AGREE WANNA DO THAT PROJECT.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PROJECT THAT I THINK THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS TO HAVE THE CYCLE IN YOUR DISTRICT CITYWIDE.
IT'S A CITYWIDE PROJECT NECESSARILY
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THOUGH, BECAUSE I CAN SAY THAT FOR MINE.I MEAN WE ALL, WE'RE ALL HERE FIGHT FOR OUR DISTRICTS AND BUT IT'S NOT A DISTRICTWIDE PROJECT.
IT HAPPENS TO BE, BUT IT'S NOT A DISTRICTWIDE PROJECT.
BUT I I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A CITYWIDE PROJECT LIKE PARK DID.
I WON'T CALL THAT LAW DISTRICT PROJECT.
YEAH, A CITYWIDE PROJECT ALLOCATED, ONCE WE DECIDE HOW MUCH GOES CITYWIDE AND ALL INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT IS A CITYWIDE PROJECT.
BUT CITYWIDE OR FOR THE SKYLINE REC CENTER TYPE BUCKNER FOUR, THAT'S SPREAD BETWEEN TWO DISTRICTS BECAUSE ACROSS THE STREET IS DISTRICT FIVE AND THERE'S NO REC CENTER SOUTH OF 35 MILES SOUTH.
UNTIL YOU GET ONE NEXT TO THIS.
BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A COMMUNITY CENTER, REC CENTER, MEDICAL FACILITY LIBRARY.
AND IF YOU WANNA CUT IT BACK DOWN TO 4 MILLION, IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE 13 MILLION JUST TO ACQUIRE THE LAND.
I THINK THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK THE NUMBER HERE NEEDS TO COME UP BECAUSE THAT'S A BOTTOM LINE WITH THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, WITH THE MLK CENTER TWO BIG PROJECT WITH THE BUCKNER FORNEY, THIS NUMBER NEEDS TO COME UP.
WE MIGHT COME UP WITH 500, WE'LL GO BACK AND THEN START CUTTING AGAIN.
BUT I THINK FOR NOW THIS NUMBER NEEDS TO COME UP AND, BUT IT ALL SO 28 TO 50 BASICALLY IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH.
IS THERE ANY REASON 40 MILLION? I KNOW, I KNOW 450 MILLION IS WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH HERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION, WE OBVIOUSLY CLEAR HAVE MANY LAND ACQUISITION NEEDS THAT ARE CITYWIDE SIGNATURE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO DO.
COULDN'T WE GO BACK AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, WE, AFTER WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S CLEAR THAT WE NEED 500 MILLION, NOT 450,000,004.
THAT, THAT WAS A STARTING POINT.
WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST.
BUT AGAIN, WE'LL GO AND, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE LEVEL WHERE THEY SAY WHAT ARE NO, NO, NO.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GLEANING FROM THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT LAND ACQUISITION IS A PRIORITY.
SIGNATURE PROJECTS ARE A PRIORITY AND WE HAVE TO FUND THESE.
SO HOPEFULLY I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE COUNCIL PEOPLE, THEY SEE IT AND THEY SEE BENEFIT FROM THEIR DISTRICT AND CITYWIDE THEY AGREE TO IT THAT IT'S MORE THAN PARKS.
SO YEAH, I I DEFINITELY PROPOSE TO TAKE THIS TO AT LEAST 40 MILLION IF, UH, THAT WOULD GIVE 10 TO EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS TO EACH MAKE SURE WE ARE ONLY GIVING OUR FAIR SHARE IF, UH, YOU KNOW, INTER DISTRICT IS DOING, WE'RE NOT PAYING MORE THAN OUR SHARE FOR MLK CENTER SIX DEPARTMENTS THERE.
SO ARE WE TAKING THE NUMBER UP OR THE PERCENTAGE OF RIGHT NOW WE ARE TALKING PERCENTAGE ACCORDINGLY.
WE TAKE A PERCENTAGE UP, SAY WE GO WHATEVER THE NUMBER OH MY GOD.
SO THE NUMBER SAYS SAY GOES UP TO SEVEN BECAUSE IF WE TAKE PERCENTAGE UP, THEN WHAT? UH, HUNDRED MILLION AT 7%.
THAT'S ONLY 21 MILLION ATTEMPTING ON THIS FIRST GO ROUND TO STICK WITHIN THE 450.
SO LET'S THEN AFTER THERE TO BE SOMEPLACE PLAYGROUND, THERE'S NOTHING LEFT AND WE SAY THERE'S A PROBLEM.
SO PRIORITY PROJECTS, SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE BUT 4 MILLION FOR OKAY, FOR EACH ONE OF THEM 10.
BUT EACH ONE OF THEM IS GONNA BE AT LEAST MORE THAN, I MEAN IT'S GONNA BE EVEN MORE THAN 15.
WE UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, DANIEL, THIS IS AN EXERCISE.
EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WE'VE TOUCHED ON SO FAR, ALTHOUGH I I CAN AGREE WITH IT THOUGH BECAUSE THE NM AUDITORIUM WILL BE THERE.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE, YOU GOTTA START SOMEWHERE.
LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE ALMOST KIND OF AT A NET NET.
LIKE WE'VE HAD SOME, WE TOOK OUT THE EROSION CONTROL, WE COMPRESSED THE MASTER PLANS, WE RAISED THE, UM, LAND ACQUISITION A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF EVEN RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BUMP UP ON THIS ONE AND AS WE GO AROUND, WE'RE GONNA FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE, IF WE CAN COMPRESS SOME OTHER STUFF.
AND IF WE GET TO THE END OF IT AND WE GO, WE DIDN'T COMPRESS ENOUGH, WE EITHER HAVE TO AGREE TO GO UP TO FIVE OR WE HAVE TO GO BACK AROUND AGAIN AND FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU PUSH IT BACK.
THERE'LL BE A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.
SO, NO, BUT I UNDERSTAND, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA GIVE UP ON NO ONE IS.
BUT IF, IF WE DROP DOWN FROM 15 TO 10, THE PROJECT COULD NOT HAPPEN OR COULD, MIGHT NOT HAPPEN.
SO I'M UP BY FOR THE, THE FULL 15 FOR MY TWO PROJECTS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY'RE EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT.
TRUST ME, DANIEL, TO ME, I DON'T KNOW AS IMPORTANT AS IN INTERNATIONAL NATIONAL DISTRICT.
I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THE BUCKNER FORNEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MLK PERSONALLY
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BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY AN MLK CENTER THERE.SO I, I MEAN IT, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA, LET'S, LET'S HAVE MR. DICKEY, UH, MR. DICKEY FIGHT YOU FOR PLAYGROUND HONEY.
MR. DICKEY HAVE THEIR YES, NO.
DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT, SIR? MR. DICKEY, YOUR HAND WAS UP.
THANK THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.
UH, NOT ON THIS, NOT ON THIS ISSUE.
UH, YEAH, YOUR HAND IS STILL UP.
IF YOU WANT TO STRIKE IT DOWN, MR. KITNA.
I THINK THE TAKEAWAY FROM THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT ONE OF THE HIGHEST, NOT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR US SHOULD BE LAND ACQUISITION.
WHETHER IT'S WITHIN THE MULTI DEVELOPMENTAL OR WITHIN THE LAND ACQUISITION BUCKET, IT IS CLEAR FROM THIS DISCUSSION THAT LAND ACQUISITION IS ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.
BECAUSE THAT SHAPES OUR FUTURE.
OKAY, SO NOW COME TO THE, AGAIN, WE STARTED WITH POOLS AND PAUL, LET'S COME BACK TO THAT.
NOW, MR. PRESIDENT, DID WE DISCUSS, WE'VE BEEN GOING FOR LIKE TWO HOURS.
CAN WE TAKE A, LIKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? UH, IF YOU GIVE 20 MINUTES LUNCH COME 1130.
SO WE'LL JUST BREAK IN 20 MINUTES.
MR. PRESIDENT, MAY I CLARIFY? DID WE DECIDE ON 40 OR 50 MILLION ON THE MULTI-DEPARTMENT? I, I WOULD SAY 40 WAS BY NUMBER 50 WILL BECOME A LITTLE TOO STRETCHED TO PUT ON THIS SINGLE CAN.
WE JUST TOOK 10 MILLION OUTTA MASTER PLANS.
RIGHT? 8 MILLION OUTTA MASTER PLANS.
WE HAD TO MAKE UP FOR SOME LAND ACQUISITION.
SO SOME LAND ACQUISITION, YOU KNOW, THE MULTI, THE 20 MILLION OR THE $20 MILLION COULD BE IN LAND ACQUISITIONS.
CUZ THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT.
SO WE COULD PUT THAT 20 MILLION THERE TOO.
I THINK LET'S, I THINK IF WE JUST PLACE IT AT 40 RIGHT NOW, KNOW THAT WE NEED ANOTHER 10, WE CAN COME BACK AROUND.
BUT, BUT YOU'RE DOING OTHER ONES WHERE YOU PUT IT IN THERE AND THEN YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN COME BACK AND REDUCE IT.
RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT WE START WITH WHAT WE NEED AND THEN WE CAN REDUCE IT IF WE HAVE TO.
I'M NOT, I THINK YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW ADVOCATING FOR THE FULL 50 BECAUSE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, DANIEL, MY FEAR IS THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER THOUGH IF THAT'S WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR.
AND I I'M NOT GONNA BE DISMISSED.
I MEAN, I'M GETTING DISMISSED WITH IT BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GETTING ABLE TO RUN THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION AND THIS IS SUGGESTING THAT WE SET IT HERE AND COME BACK TO IT, BUT, OKAY, SO LET'S, LET'S JUST TAKE A QUICK, WE ARE NOT QUOTING WHAT'S THE NUMBER? EVERYONE THINKS WE SHOULD BE AROUND 40 OR 50.
WE JUST NO, WE ARE NOT TAKING, I'M JUST KIND OF TAKING AN OPINION.
I THINK MY GENERAL OPINION IS THESE NUMBERS AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THESE ARE OUR HIGHEST IDENTIFIED NEEDS.
LAND ACQUISITION, THESE SIGNATURE PROJECTS.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED OTHER AREAS SO WE CAN MOVE MONEY FROM, WE NEED THESE NUMBERS TO BE AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE.
MULTI MR. GOLD, ONE BY ONE, MR. MEANING THOUGHTS? YEAH.
J I MEAN, I WANT, I WANT EVERYBODY'S PROJECT, BUT I JUST, I JUST, I'M WHERE WE GOTTA DECIDE ON LEAVE WHERE IT'S AT.
WE'LL ALL HAVE TO DISCUSS, BRO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? WE'RE TALKING SHOULD BE HOW MUCH MORE WE SHOULD GO ON THE MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL SHARED FACILITIES JR SAID SAME NUMBER AND EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO INCREASE, BUT HOW MUCH TO INCREASE IS WHAT WE ARE DEBATING.
MY NUMBER WAS 40, DANIELS WAS 50 AND CURRENTLY IT IS 28.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'RE WAITING ON A RESPONSE FROM ME.
I, I'M, I DEFER TO WHAT THE ROOM WANTS TO DO ON THIS ONE.
TAYLOR, YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? OH, UH, MANY THOUGHTS REAL QUICK.
WHO IS YOUR FRIEND? ME OR PRESIDENT? GOT IT.
SO, UH, WE LET, LET'S, UH, PUT A NUMBER OF 45 MILLION.
SO AT LEAST YOU KNOW, WE ARE, AND AGAIN, DANON IS NOT REALLY RIGHT NUMBER.
I END UP WORKING OTHER CATEGORIES AND THIS IS WHERE OTHER GROUPS ARE BRINGING MONEY AND THOSE ARE SUPPOSED TO RAISE A PRIORITY WHEN IT'S COLLABORATIVE MONEY.
SO THE MORE THAT WE PUT IN HERE, BECAUSE IT'S ALL COLLABORATIVE AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE
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TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT WE ONLY PAY FAIR SHARE.NORMALLY HAVE SEEN IN PAST WHEN OTHER GROUPS MONEY, WE END UP AS BOX TO PAY THEN, BUT IT BE OUR FACILITY, WE'RE GONNA RUN THIS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE, AND IF THERE'S A LIBRARY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO RUN THEM, BUT THEY'LL PAY RENT.
LIKE IF, IF THEY'RE USING THE MULTI-FACILITY, LIKE SAY THEY WOULD, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY PAY RENT ON LIKE, IF IT WAS A YEAH, WELL, WE'LL ARGUE.
I DON'T, WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.
PRISM CENTER IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE.
OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE.
POOLS, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DISCUSSED POOLS, RIGHT? WELL DISCUSSED FIXING THE EXISTING, THIS IS FOR, THESE ARE FOR THE AUDITORIUMS, THE INDOOR POOLS THAT WILL BE OPEN YEAR ROUND AND PROPOSING THREE OF THEM AT 15 MILLION EACH.
IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WHEN WE BACKED IT DOWN, BASICALLY WE'RE DOWN 28.14 MILLION.
SO WE COULD IN THEORY, POTENTIALLY STILL PUT IN TWO N AUDITORIUMS THAT REDUCED LEVEL IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD WOULD DESIRE.
DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING? YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSED TO.
WE TALKED ABOUT CAMPBELL GREEN, WE TALKED ABOUT SAMUEL GRAND AND WE TALKED ABOUT A THIRD LOCATION THAT IS ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW.
40 BUCKNER IS WE'RE PROPOSING ONE THERE AT 40 BUCKNER AT THAT.
IS THAT IN THAT COST OF 15 MILLION? WELL, NOT ANYMORE.
WELL, I'M JUST ASKING IS IT, IS IT PART OF THAT COST? I, I'VE SEEN BUT SKYLINE, LIKE PART OF THE D I S D AGREEMENT IS LIKE, WE TALKED LIKE A $20 MILLION CONTRIBUTION AND THEY WANT THEORIAL.
SO THAT'S PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE N AUDITORIUM AND AN INDOOR FIELD HOUSE.
SO CAMEL, GREEN, SAMUEL GRAND AND NEVER REMEMBER THE THIRD.
YEAH, I'M SORRY, I CANNOT REMEMBER THE THIRD.
I KNOW DISTRICT EIGHT DOESN'T HAVE A POOL OR WATER CENTER AT ALL.
BUT, SO GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT NET.
DO WE HAVE DATA ON USAGE OF THE INDOOR N AUDITORIUM AT BACHMAN? AND HOW, IS THERE A DEFINITE NEED THAT WE WANT TO HAVE 3, 2, 1 MORE OF THESE? LIKE WHAT, WHAT WHAT HAVE OUR STUDIES INDICATED BASED ON THE APP? I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, TIM, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING AT BACHMAN OR, WELL, I CAN TELL YOU BACHMAN OF COURSE IS DUAL USE PRIMARILY FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES, BUT IT DOES SERVE THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
UH, THE EXCELLENT THING ABOUT THESE INDOOR POOLS TO ME IS IT'S, SINCE WE'VE GONE TO SPRAY GROUNDS AND AQUATIC CENTERS, UH, WE HAVE AN INCREASED NEED OF A WAY TO TEACH OUR KIDS TO SWIM.
AND THAT'S A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE.
THEY ALLOW, I BELIEVE, MORE KIDS TO LEARN TO SWIM ALSO IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST MAYBE A, YOU CAN'T LEARN TO SWIM AT A SPRAY GROUND.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, A BIG AQUATIC CENTER, IT'S NOT IDEAL.
SO THAT'S ONE ADVANTAGE OF THE INDOOR POOLS.
AND NOW OF COURSE AT BACHMAN IT'S CONNECTED TO THE AQUATICS CENTER.
SO WE'RE DI DISTRICT SIX IS GREAT WITH AQUATICS, WITH TWO SPRAY GROUNDS, THREE SPRAY GROUNDS AND A, A BIG AQUATICS CENTER.
BUT THE N AUDITORIUMS BEING YEAR ROUND FILL A REAL NEED FOR TEACHING OUR KIDS TO SWIM.
THAT WOULD BE MY MAIN TAKEAWAY.
SO MY, JUST IN THINKING, LIKE AT SAMUEL GRAND, THEY ALREADY HAVE A REALLY NICE POOL, RIGHT? THEY HAVE A REALLY NICE BALL.
AND IT'S ONLY A COUPLE YEARS OLD.
UM, TO ME, LIKE WHERE, WHERE DO YOU WANNA FOCUS YOUR, YOU KNOW, BACHMAN'S A PERFECT LOCATION FOR AN AUDITORIUM.
BUT THEN CAMPBELL GREEN'S ON THAT LIST, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT CAMPBELL GREEN.
CAMPBELL GREEN, IT'S IN D 12, BUT THAT'S A LOGICAL PLACE FOR ONE AS WELL TOO.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WE HAVE A POOL OR THERE'S NO POOL AT CAMPBELL GREEN AND LANE CAN PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO THAT BECAUSE YEAH, ACTUALLY HE WAS NICK, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BENEFIT, IT WOULD BENEFIT A LOT OF PEOPLE TO HAVE AN AUDITORIUM AT CAMPBELL GREEN NOT IN THAT AREA.
AND SO I WONDER IF MAYBE, I MEAN THIS, THIS WOULD GET US TWO N AUDITORIUMS IF WE DID IT AT 28 MILLION.
SO MAYBE YOU HAVE ONE IN NORTH DALLAS, ONE IN SOUTHERN DALLAS, AND THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY MEET THE NEEDS.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE, THE SECOND, I MEAN, I THINK MARIA'S RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE ONE AT SAMUEL.
I MEAN, IT'S IN THAT MASTER PLAN, BUT IN THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE ALL OVER HERE FIGHTING FOR EVERY RIGHT, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, I LIKE, IF YOU'VE GOT A PROJECT THAT'S UNDERWAY THAT YOU NEED 15 FOR, WELL, THIS ISN'T EVEN UNDERWAY.
THIS IS JUST, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'D LIKE AND YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS.
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WELL, NOBODY'S SCREAMING AND YELLING IN ANY PARTICULAR COMMUNITY FOR ONE.I I MIGHT SAY MAYBE WE ONLY NEED ONE OR MAYBE WE NEED ONE AT ALL RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T KNOW A POPULAR VOICE HERE, MR. LAWRENCE, AS YOU SAY, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN CUT.
YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT'S GOING DEEP, BUT I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE GONNA ADD SOMEWHERE.
LET'S SEE, MR. WE GOT COMMUNITY POOL, WE GOT COMMUNITY POOLS, RIGHT? I'D RATHER SEE US FIX UP OUR COMMUNITY POOLS AND HAVE 'EM BE LOVELY.
SO THEY WANT, THEY WANT NEXT MINE FOR $5 MILLION.
I WOULD RATHER PUT THAT IN A NEW N AUDITORIUM THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, MIGHT NOT BE NEIGHBORHOOD THOUGH, THAT'S A PROBLEM.
WELL, NO, THERE WOULD BE ONE THERE.
I'M SAYING NOT YOUR PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT IF I HAD A, IF I HAD A COMMUNITY POOL THAT REALLY NEEDED SOME WORK, AND YOU SAID, WELL, I'M NOT GONNA FIX YOUR COMMUNITY POOL, BUT I'M GONNA BUILD AN AUDITORIUM ACROSS TOWN.
I'M LIKE, WELL, THAT DOESN'T HELP ME
SO ON, ON THE AUDITORIUM AT CAMPBELL GREEN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS WITH STAFF.
WE HAVE LAND FOR THE AUDITORIUM.
UM, IT, IT SERVES TO, TO MR. KITNER'S POINT IT SERVES.
UM, I, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A DISTRICT PROJECT.
I THINK THIS IS A COMMUNITY PROJECT.
BACHMAN, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
BACHMAN IS THIR IS 14 MILES AWAY FROM WHERE THIS WOULD BE.
UM, SO NOT, I MEAN, NOT, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE THINK ABOUT NORTH, THEY THINK ABOUT NORTH, NORTH IS 6 35 AND OH, THAT'S CLOSE.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S SCHOOLS AROUND THERE THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM THIS.
THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN BRIEFED.
SO THE POINT EARLIER ABOUT NOBODY'S ASKING FOR THIS.
OUR COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR THIS.
UM, WE WOULD LOVE THIS TO BE AT CAMPBELL GREEN.
UM, I LOVE MR. DICKEY'S POINT, I I ABOUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE YEAR ROUND AND, AND, UM, AND, AND, AND INSTRUCTION FOR KIDS.
UM, MY, THE AREA THIS IS GOING INTO IS TURNING OVER.
UM, THERE'S A, A MIDDLE SCHOOL AND AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WITHIN A, A, A, A DRIVER'S LIKE 300 YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE THIS IS GONNA GO.
UH, AND, AND SO TH THIS WOULD MASSIVELY BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, BOTH RIGHT THERE AND THEN NORTH OF, AGAIN, NORTH OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
UM, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HUGE AMOUNT OF THE CITY, UM, THAT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO, TO AN INDOOR POOL.
UM, CLOSEST, LIKE I SAID, IS BACHMAN.
ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO ONE AT CAMERAMAN.
YEAH, I THINK YOUR HAND IS UP.
UM, I, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S A, I AGREE WITH MR. HONOR ON THE KNEE FOR HIS COMMUNITY.
UM, IF WE MAYBE FIGURE OUT THAT WE DO ONE CUT, WE COULD, THIS IS ONE THAT WE EITHER DO TWO, I GUESS, OR, OR ONE OR NONE.
AND IF WE CUT DOWN TO ONE AND WAIT TILL THE NEXT BOND FOR THE OTHER, UH, I GUESS I'D JUST SAY IT'S A, IT'S NOT A CRITICAL, CRITICAL NEED.
UH, BUT IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR OUR KIDS TO LEARN TO SWIM.
SO MAYBE WE COULD GO WITH ONE AUDITORIUM.
THAT'S MY ONLY NICE THING IS WE, WE HAVE AN IDENTIFIED NEED AT CAMPBELL GREEN.
AND THE OTHER NICE THING ABOUT THAT IS WE ALREADY OWN THE LAND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR LAND.
AND WE HAVE MATCH MONEY AT SCHOLAR.
UH, SO CHRIS, THAT'S ONE DISCUSSION.
I THINK IF IT CAN HAPPEN WITH D I S D.
CAN THIS, THESE BE, I THINK MR. CONNOR, UH, RYAN O'CONNOR JUST PROMPTED ME THAT THESE CAN BE SHARED FACILITIES WHERE D I S D PARTICIPATES IN THEM.
BECAUSE THEN IF THAT HAPPENS, I THINK IT CAN CHANGE THE WAY WE ARE DISCUSSING.
THINK AFTER THIS WE WILL TAKE A, OKAY, SO WHERE DO WE, UH, SO WHERE ARE WE? SO I THINK WE WILL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, CUT IT TO ONE.
WE WON'T, WON'T DECIDE WHERE THAT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK I HAVE DISCUSSION WITH D I SST ALSO, UH, THE POSSIBILITIES OF SHARING POSSIBILITIES AND 15 CAN GIVE US MORE THAN ONE.
BECAUSE IF THEY PARTICIPATE, I THINK FROM THE CONVERSATION, AT LEAST THIS WAS MY IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS FOR CAMPBELL GREEN SPECIFICALLY.
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I I WOULD NOT OH, TO TAKE MINE OFF.WELL, WE'RE NOT, WE CAN'T VOTE ON IT.
BUT I'M SAYING I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT NOT, WE CAN'T AGREE WE CAN'T, I MEAN, IT'S, THERE IS NOT A INDOOR FACILITY JUST LIKE REEN OR THAT COMMUNITY.
IT'S A MINORITY COMMUNITY AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN NEGLECTED FOR.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S, IT'S A HIGH NEED AREA.
THERE'S, CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? SO ON THE NATATORIUM 28 MILLION, THAT WOULD GET US APPROXIMATELY TWO NATOR FACILITIES.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S A CLEAR NEED.
WE OWN THE LAND AT CAMPBELL GREEN, AND THE OTHER ONE YOU HAD MENTIONED WAS SAMUEL GRAND, WHICH I THINK BASED ON THIS DISCUSSION IS NOT A NEED.
SO JUST BASED ON THE DISCUSSION OF WHAT YOU ALL HAVE IDENTIFIED, WE COULD DO 14 MILLION OR 15 MILLION TOWARDS CAMPBELL GREEN AND THEN POTENTIALLY REALLOCATE THE REST TO LAND ACQUISITION OR SOMEWHERE ELSE WE JUST RAISED.
THEN I'M NOT, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE, I THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST TO CONSIDER THAT ALLOCATE FOR CAMPBELL GREEN AND ALLOCATE SOMETHING FOR SKYLINE, BUT FOR D I S D PARTNERSHIP, CAUSE BOTH OF THOSE ADS ITS OWN, WE DON'T NEED LAND IN GREEN.
SO IT MIGHT NOT EVEN BE 15 MILLION BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE THINKING THERE'LL BE LAND ACQUISITION AND ALL.
SO IF WE KEEP AROUND 15 WITH AN OBJECTIVE AND D I S D COMES IN THE PARTNER AS SKYLINE AND WE HAVE TWO WITH THE SAME MONEY.
AND, BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION CAUSE MAYBE I'M CONFUSED.
DANIEL IS BUCKNER FORNEY, IS THAT SKYLINE? YEAH, SORRY.
OKAY, SO THE BUCKNER FORNEY IS THE SAME AS SKYLINE? I DO, YEAH.
AND THAT 15 MILLION THAT WE NEEDED ON THE BUCKNER FORNEY, DID THAT INCLUDE AN AUDITORIUM? NO, I SAW THIS AS THEY LEFT AN AUDITORIUM WAS IN A BUCKET.
I, I SAW COMPONENTS OF THESE PROJECTS IN DIFFERENT BUCKETS.
BUT THERE'S THE 15 MILLION IN OUR MULTI-DEPARTMENT FACILITIES FOR THE BUCKNER FORNEY VOCATION.
WHAT IS THAT ONE? OH, THE FACILITY IS GONNA BE LIKE A REC CENTER.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE THEY'RE SEPARATE THINGS INSIDE? YES.
IT'S A SEVEN K ACRE SITE THAT WE WANNA DEVELOP INTO A, UM, INDOOR, WE OWN THAT SITE COUNCIL IS WORKING ON THAT ON THE CITY SIDE.
THE COUNCILMAN IS WORKING ON THAT WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT.
I JUST, I, SO IT'S, I APPEAL ON THIS NUMBER.
IF WE GO TO 15, WE CAN ACHIEVE BOTH OF THEM.
THE ONE I THINK CAMPBELL GREEN, WE HAVE LANDED VANTAGE AND SKYLINE HOPEFULLY WILL BRING DST IN LIKE THAT.
AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER POTENTIAL LOCATIONS MIGHT BE SINGING HILLS OR MARTIN WEISS, I THINK RIGHT NOW THOSE ARE
WE WANT 'EM, WE WANT 'EM YOU WANT TAKE ALL THE MONEY.
I TAKE ALL THE MONEY YOU HAVE, GIVE YOU THE UBER RIDES TO CAMPUS.
LET'S TAKE A BREAK FOR 45 MINUTES AND WE'LL COME BACK AT 1215.
WE RESUME THE SPECIALLY CALL LEADING APART TO, OKAY.
SO WHERE WERE WE? WE PARTNERSHIP MATCHES, LARGER MATCHES, SMALLER MATCHES.
SO, UH, JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW PLEASE.
SO OUR LARGE PARTNERSHIP MATCHES, UM, WE HAVE BRIAN O'CONNOR HERE TO DISCUSS IF WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
BUT WE HAVE MANY REQUESTS COMING FROM OUR LARGE PARTNERS.
UM, BASICALLY IN THE ORIGINAL 700 MILLION, UM, DOLLAR SCENARIO, WE PUT 70 MILLION IN PER LARGE PARTNERSHIP MATCHES.
AND BASED ON THE REQUEST THAT WE WERE GETTING, WE WERE ALREADY FEELING LIKE THAT 75 MILLION WAS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH.
UM, WHEN WE, WHEN WE FACTORED THIS DOWN, IT THEN CAME DOWN TO 46.89 MILLION AND WE KNOW THAT'S NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH.
UM, RYAN, DO YOU WANNA COME AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP MATCH REQUEST THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THUS FAR FOR OUR LARGE PARTNERSHIPS SHIPS? GOOD AFTERNOON.
WELL, WE'VE RECEIVED A LOT OF 'EM, AS Y'ALL KNOW, AND WE HAVE BEEN SCHEDULING PRESENTATIONS FOR THEM TO COME BEFORE YOU TO KINDA SHARE THE PROJECTS THEY HAVE IN MIND AND WHAT SORT OF LEVERAGE FUNDING THEY'RE GONNA BE BRINGING PRIVATE DOLLARS.
WE HAVE ANOTHER SERIES, UM, OF THOSE PRESENTATIONS TEED UP FOR NEXT THURSDAY, SO YOU'LL
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HAVE MORE PARTNERS COME BEFORE US.BUT, UM, TO, TO THIS POINT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SUBSTANTIVE APPS AND A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS, UM, ARE KIND OF TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECTS.
YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE PARTNERS THAT DRIVE TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY.
SO THINGS LIKE THE ZOO, THINGS LIKE THE ARBORETUM THAT WILL BE COMING ON THURSDAY, THINGS LIKE THE SOUTHERN GATEWAY.
THESE ARE THE, UH, KIND OF SIGNATURE, UH, PARKS IN OUR SYSTEM THAT, UM, REALLY KIND OF HELP DRIVE THE ECONOMY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.
HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL MAY HAVE ABOUT SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR SPECIFIC PARTNERS.
RYAN, IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER RIGHT NOW, DO YOU HAVE TOTAL NUMBER OF ASK FROM THE PARTNERS? UH, NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I WANNA SAY IT'S AROUND $120 MILLION.
MR. WELL, YEAH, SO THAT WAS MY QUESTION, BUT HOW IS THAT BROKEN DOWN? DO YOU HAVE A LIST OF, I DO.
APPROXIMATELY HOW MUCH EACH PARTNER GROUP IS ASKING FOR? I DO, YES.
PAR IT WAS PARTIALLY IN THAT MEMO I PREPARED FOR Y'ALL A FEW WEEKS AGO, BUT I CAN, UM, I CAN SEND THAT TO Y'ALL AGAIN.
AND I THINK I MAY HAVE
I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL TO SEE IT.
AND THEN IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO FULLY FUND ALL OF THE PARTNER MATCHES, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT FORM TO DISCUSS THIS, BUT HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHO GETS THE ALLOCATIONS AND WHO DOESN'T? IS THAT FIRST COME FIRST GROUP? DOESN'T REALLY SEEM LIKE A FAIR WAY TO DO IT, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT APPROACH WOULD BE.
ONE THING ABOUT PARTNERSHIP MATCH IS IF THEY DO 120 MILLION, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN A DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR MATCH.
SO IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR 120 MILLION, WE GIVE 120 MILLION, THEY'RE BRINGING 120 MILLION TO OUR PARK SYSTEM, SO IT DOUBLES OUR MONEY.
I THINK THAT THAT IS VERY SMART ON OUR PART TO DOUBLE OUR MONEY.
UM, IT, IT JUST STRETCHES US SO FAR AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S GONNA CUT OUT SOME REQUESTS IF THEY CAN'T DO DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.
BUT WE CAN'T DO DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR ON EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANNA DO EITHER.
I'M, I'M OPERATING IN THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL OF THESE ARE DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR MATCHES.
IS THAT WHAT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED TODAY? THAT IT'S NOT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, UH, WAS TRINITY RIVER AUDUBON CENTER WHO HAD APPROXIMATELY A 4 MILLION PROJECT AND THEY, UH, PLEDGED TO BRING $1 MILLION TO THE TABLE AND AT THE SAME TIME ZOO IS UH, THREE TO A DOLLAR TWO AND HALF TO A CLOSE, THREE TO A DOLLAR.
I THOUGHT, I'M TRYING, REMEMBER WAS ALSO, THAT WAS THE BOTTOM NUMBER THEY SAID IN THAT PRESENTATION.
SO THEY ARE SEEKING THE PROJECT AS 4 MILLION TO DO THE, UH, THE, UH, EDUCATION EXHIBIT THAT THEY PRESENTED TO US.
AND SO 4 MILLION TOTAL COST AND THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BRING 1 MILLION TO THE TABLE.
THERE ARE OTHER NEEDS AT THE SITE, UM, STRUCTURAL REPAIRS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THE MATCH PROJECT.
THOSE ARE JUST COVERED IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY FROM A PURE, LIKE FROM A PURE NUMBERS DOLLAR.
IF WE'VE GOT 120 IN 120 MILLION IN REQUEST AND WE GENERALLY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ALL WORTHY PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO GIVE THEM THE FULL AMOUNT IF WE COULD.
IS THE ASSUMPTION THAT IF WE'RE ONLY COMING UP WITH 50, OR LET'S JUST SAY FOR, FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, LET'S SAY WE COME UP WITH 60, THAT'S ONLY HALF.
HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD IMPACT OUR PARTNERS IF WE WENT BACK TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM, INSTEAD WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU HALF WHAT YOU NEEDED.
IS THAT A BETTER WAY TO DO IT OR IS IT BETTER TO GO BACK AND SAY, SINCE WE CAN'T DO 120 HALF OF YOU AREN'T GETTING ANY MONEY AND THE OTHER HALF OF YOU ARE LIKE, WHAT KIND OF PHILOSOPHICALLY HOW WOULD WE APPROACH THAT IF WE'RE NOT GONNA COME UP WITH A COMPLETE ASK? DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT ON HOW THE PARTNERS WELL, I WOULD SAY IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, I WOULD SAY THAT SOME OF THE PROJECTS WOULD PROBABLY FUNDAMENTALLY BE CHANGED.
AN EXAMPLE COULD BE SOUTHERN GATEWAY.
SO THE, THE DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING TO BE LEVERAGED WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS ACCESSING FEDERAL DOLLARS AND OTHER THINGS.
SO IF WE AREN'T ABLE TO, UM, FULLY FUND THEIR ASKS, NOT IN ALL EXAMPLES, BUT IN SOME EXAMPLES, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY FUNDAMENTALLY ALTER, UM, THE PROJECTS THEY'RE PROPOSING.
I THINK WHAT DOES THAT ASK? 5 MILLION AND THEY'RE MATCHING DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR.
OH, I MEAN THE ENTIRE PHASE TWO.
THE ENTIRE PHASE TWO IS 90 MILLION.
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NUMBER OF, WITH OUR 120 MILLION, WHAT OUR TRUE NUMBER OF, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ROOM WAS TELLING ME THAT, UM, THE ZOO IS MATCHING LIKE TWO TO ONE OR THREE.THEY'RE PROPOSING TO BRING 70 MILLION TO THE TABLE.
SO YEAH, I COULD, THAT I COULD UPDATE TO, TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
OUR DOLLARS ARE LEVERAGING AND IT, AND IT BRINGS, AND IF X AMOUNT MORE, AND THESE ARE ALL, ALL OF THEM ARE PUBLIC FACING ENTITIES CITYWIDE, THEY'RE FOR EVERYBODY.
I MEAN, THEY MIGHT BE IN DISTRICTS, NONE OF 'EM ARE IN MY DISTRICT.
SO, BUT I'M STILL FIGHTING FOR ALL OF 'EM BECAUSE I THINK THE MATCH MONEY IS AN INCREDIBLE THING.
WHEN THEY CAN BRING TWICE AS MUCH, WE GET AT LEAST TWICE THE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
UM, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE CRAZY NOT TO.
AND THE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS OUR PARTNERS, UH, MAKE OUR PROPOSITION UNIQUE.
THERE ARE NO OTHER PROPOSITIONS IN THE CITY POND PROGRAM THAT LEVERAGE PRIVATE DOLLARS.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A UNIQUE THING THAT OUR PARTNERS BRING TO THE TABLE THAT DIFFERENTIATE US FROM A LOT OF OTHER PROPOSITIONS.
WELL, PROBABLY NO SURPRISE THAT I TOTALLY DISAGREE.
UH, I, I DO THINK WE NEED HELP OUR PRIVATE PARTNERS, BUT ONCE AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT THAT IF WE BOW DOWN THE MATCHING MONEY AND THE LONG TERM, IT FAVORS THOSE INSTITUTIONS THAT CAN HAVE VERY WELL-HEELED BACKERS AND THEIR PRIORITIES TAKE PRECEDENCE IN A LOT OF WAYS.
CAUSE WE'RE TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM OTHER THINGS.
AND I JUST DON'T AGREE EVERYTHING.
WE GOTTA BE VERY JUDICIOUS IN HOW WE DECIDE THIS.
TRINITY RIVER AUDUBON CENTER IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
OKAY? THEY'RE ONLY COMING UP WITH A MILLION.
WELL, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT FULL OF BACKERS.
I'VE BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR FIVE YEARS AND THEY STRUGGLE FOR, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE IT.
AND YET IT'S IN, IT'S A, THEY EDUCATE THOUSANDS OF OF OUR KIDS.
UM, THEY'RE IN AN AREA THAT NEEDS INVESTMENT.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY GONNA SUFFER? CAUSE THEY DON'T BRING AS MUCH TO THE TABLE.
I JUST DON'T THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO BE JUDICI THAT'S ALL.
JUST LET'S CAREFUL KEEP THE LONG TERM EFFECT AS IT RELATES TO DISPARITIES.
CAUSE IT MEANS THAT THE WELL-HEELED PRIORITIES ARE, ARE ADDRESSED VERY WELL IN OUR BONDS WITH THE MATCHING MONEY.
BUT I THINK WE'VE GONE TOO FAR, UH, IN SOME WAYS.
SO LET'S JUST, I WOULD SAY LET'S LOOK AT EVERY POINT AND SEE.
UM, I AM CONFLICTED ON THIS BECAUSE I, I PERSONALLY SEE THE VALUE OF THESE TRANSFORMATIVE PROJECTS, UH, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE DALLAS ZOO THAT, UH, GRACED US WITH THEIR PRESENTATION LAST MONTH.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE SAYING WITH THIS BIG, BIG PIECE OF THE PIE, IT BOILS DOWN TO THIS, WE ARE TELLING EVERYONE THAT FUNDING OUR PARTNERS PROJECTS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN FUNDING OUR OWN PROJECTS.
THAT MAY BE MORE IN LINE WITH OUR OWN MISSION AND VISION STATEMENT, WHICH IS CHAMPION LIFELONG RECREATION, BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR LANDS.
I STRUGGLE WITH THAT INTERNALLY AND I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
UH, MS HAS, WELL, I'M LOOKING, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR, YOU KNOW, BIG PIE THAT WE'VE GOT HERE, THE PARTNERSHIP MATCHES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT REPRESENTS FROM A, UH, NOT LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGE, BUT YOU KNOW, REALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IS OUR STUFF, IF YOU WILL ROUGHLY, ROUGHLY 10.
THE WHOLE REST OF THE PIE IS OUR STUFF.
OUR PLAYGROUNDS, OUR REC CENTERS, OUR POOLS, OUR MAINTENANCE, OUR TENNIS.
SO I MEAN, THERE'S TO SAY THAT WE'RE FUNDING OUR PARTNER STUFF MORE THAN OUR STUFF IS, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE ASKING FOR 450 MILLION TO FUND OUR STUFF.
SO, BUT UH, TO TIM'S POINT, YEAH, WE DO HAVE SOME PARTNERS WHO ARE PRETTY GOOD AT FUNDRAISING.
AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO COMPRESS, EVERYBODY HAS TO GIVE A LITTLE RIGHT? WE'RE, IT'S NOT GONNA GET WHAT WE NEED.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THE 120 MILLION.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE DO HAVE THE MONEY.
OKAY, IF IT'S ONLY 60 MILLION, HOW ARE WE GONNA PARCEL THAT OUT? LIKE, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN ALSO.
BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH OF OUR PIE ARE WE GONNA CARVE OFF FOR THESE PARTNERSHIPS
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BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TO MR. DICKEY'S POINT, GIVING A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE TRINITY RIVER WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUNDRAISE ON THEIR OWN, WELL THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S AN EASY ONE.BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE BIGGER ONES, THE ZOO AND YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER ASS SOUTHERN GATEWAY.
HOW MUCH OF OUR DOLLARS DO WE WANNA CONTRIBUTE TO THAT? SO I THINK THAT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
AND I THINK THE PARTNER MATCH, WE JUST ULTIMATELY HAVE TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE'RE SORT OF COMFORTABLE CARVING OUT OF OUR OVERALL PIE.
AND OBVIOUSLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THE FUNDRAISING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, UNFORTUNATELY YOU LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE THING ON HERE HAS VALUE AND LIST AND LIKE THE ZOO.
I KNOW THE ZOO IS EXTRAORDINARY.
IS THAT A CITYWIDE ASSET? WELL MAYBE PUT THAT IN A CITYWIDE BUCKET WHERE EVERYBODY HELPS.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE, YOU KNOW, AND MAKE, BECAUSE THAT'S UNIQUE.
IT IT NOT WHERE THE WATER DEPARTMENT'S GONNA DO IT.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GONNA CONTRIBUTE TO IT, BUT THEY'RE BRINGING, THEY'RE BRINGING ALMOST THREE TIMES AS MUCH MONEY TO THE TABLE FOR THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT'S UNIQUE WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
AND I WANNA ARGUE THE FACT THAT JUST BECAUSE WE'RE IN A MINORITY AREA AND I'M IN THAT MINORITY AREA REPRESENTING IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T FUNDRAISE DOWN THERE BECAUSE I HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S GONNA BRING $250,000 TO ONE OF OUR PARKS IN A MATCH REQUEST.
AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY SO THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUNDRAISE IN MINORITY AREAS.
YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND THAT FOCUS.
YOU'VE GOTTA FIND SOMEBODY TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH BECAUSE THERE'S GROUPS OUT THERE THAT WILL HELP EVERYBODY FUNDRAISE.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT AS A, A PRIORITY AND YOU HAVE CAN'T HIRE YOUR FRIENDS OR YOU CAN'T HIRE, YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE THAT A PRIORITY FOR FUNDRAISING.
UM, SO EVERYBODY'S ABILITY TO FUNDRAISE IS THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WORTHY CAUSE AND THERE IS PEOPLE THAT WILL FUND THAT.
UM, IF THEY WRITE THE, IF THEY DO THE WORK, IT'LL FUND.
SO I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO HAVE LIKE THE DETAILED BREAKDOWN.
I KNOW SOME OF IT WAS IN YOUR MEMO, BUT, AND THEN ALSO LIKE, SO THEY DON'T, WE VET THESE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND THERE'S SOME NEGOTIATION INVOLVED, RIGHT? LIKE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE REAL BOTTOM LINE NUMBER THAT COULD STILL MAKE THE PROJECTS HAPPEN WITHOUT, UM, SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGING WHAT THEY ARE.
I MEAN, HOW FAR DO WE GET IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS OR HOW FAR ARE WE RIGHT NOW? WELL, I MEAN THE, THE COSTS THAT THEY ARE PRESENTING TO YOU, UH, THROUGH THESE PRESENTATIONS, THOSE ARE THE COSTS AT A PRELIMINARY STAGE TO DO THE PROJECT.
AND IN MOST CASES THEY'RE OFFERING A ONE-TO-ONE MATCH OR MORE.
SO IF WE WERE TO SAY, HEY, YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET 50%, 60% OF YOUR ASK, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IN MOST CASES SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE SCOPE OF THEIR PROJECT.
WELL, WHATEVER
AND THEN, I MEAN, I KNOW EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, BUT LIKE THE ZOO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THAT THESE PROJECTS THAT HAVE WEALTHY DONORS ARE NOT, MOST OF 'EM I THINK ARE, ARE CITYWIDE ASSETS AS AND SERVE, I MEAN, WHO SERVES HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN AND, AND FAMILIES FROM ALL OVER THE CITY, ALL OVER THE REGION.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE THERE ONLY BENEFITING THE WEALTHY PACKERS IN MOST CASES.
BUT I, YEAH, I DO AGREE THAT THE, AND I FEEL LIKE THE ZOO SHOULDN'T BENEFIT AT THE EXPENSE OF LIKE THE AUDUBON CENTER.
WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA WEIGH ALL THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE POSSIBLY CAN ABOUT WHAT, HOW IT WOULD CHANGE THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IF THE, THE NUMBERS SHIFTED.
AND UH, JUST TO, TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT THE ZOO SPECIFICALLY, SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD ALL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, AND PERHAPS I CAN PUT THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER TOO, BUT WHEN THE LAST TIME ONE OF OUR PARTNERS, AND BY THE WAY, THEY ARE, THEY ARE AS MUCH US, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE PARKS, THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE MANAGED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THEY ARE PARKS WHEN THE LAST TIME THOSE FOLKS GOT A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE CASE OF THE ZOO, THERE REALLY HASN'T BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT OUT THERE IN ALMOST 20 YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT COULD BE A DECISION POINT AS WELL WHEN YOU'RE DEBATING WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER.
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UH, HOW MANY TOTAL LARGE PARTNERS DID YOU SAY THERE WERE RYANS THAT WE KNOW OF AT THIS POINT? NOT THE TOTAL AMOUNT, BUT HOW MANY DIFFERENT UNIQUE PARTNERS ARE THERE? UM, I THINK THERE WERE 10 ISH.I MEAN WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SIX PRESENTATIONS FROM THEM, UH, ON THURSDAY.
AND THEN I THINK WE'VE HAD TWO PREVIOUSLY.
AND THEN THE LARGEST, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE LARGEST TWO ZOO AT 30.
SOUTHERN GATEWAY AT 25, WHICH JUST THOSE TWO ALONE WOULD BE MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED OR BE SEEKING 10 AGAIN AS A, YEAH.
AS A PRIMARY, UH, MATCH TO ACCESS FEDERAL DOLLARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S A, THE DOMINO'S ARE STACKED UP.
SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION LIKE WHAT IS OUR PRIORITY HERE? AND FOR THE MATCH FUNDS, LIKE SOMETIMES THEY NEED A COMMITMENT LETTER FROM THE CITY SAYING, HEY, WE WILL MATCH THIS AND THEN AN APPLICATION.
UM, BECAUSE IF WE DID GO TO, YOU KNOW, 60 MILLION, THAT WOULD PUT EVERYBODY IN HALF AND GIVE THE PARTNERS POTENTIALLY A CHANCE TO REFORMULATE THEIR NUMBERS AND WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY CAN DO.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT SOLUTION, BUT SHORT OF US GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND SAYING WE NEED, YOU KNOW, 60 MILLION MORE DOLLARS IN OUR PROP, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ELSE WE CAN DO HERE.
AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, AND I AGREE, I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY.
EVERYBODY POINTS THERE'S TOGETHER, BUT WE'RE SAYING 60 OR 120 IN AND THAT'S IF WE GET FOUR 50 OR YEAH, YEAH, EXACTLY.
OH, IS IS AGAIN, ARE WE SAYING 60 MILLION OR ARE WE SAYING WELL 1110 0.4646, WHATEVER THE PERCENT IS ON THERE.
WHAT ARE WE SAYING? I MEAN, WHAT'S OUR NUMBERS? IT'S STICKING WITH THE PERCENTAGES WITH THAT ASSUMPTIONS.
STILL IT'S A HARD, IT'S A HARD THING TO DO, BUT, BUT SOMETHING'S GOTTA BE NOT GIVEN AS MUCH FUNDING OR ARE WE AT LEAST MINIMALLY DOUBLE OUR IMPACT? CORRECT.
WHEN WE GO WITH THESE PARTNERS THAT ARE BRINGING THAT MATCH.
SO NO, MIGHT BE EXACTLY WAS RYAN SAID THAT YOU SHOULD NOT TREAT THEM AS AN OUTSIDER.
THESE ARE OUR PROPERTY, THESE ARE OUR PARTS.
ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, ONE THING LIDAR HILL ALWAYS SAYS IS WHEN YOU GO TO FOR MONEY THAT HOW DO I LEVERAGE MY PHILANTHROPIC? AND IF I CAN LEVERAGE MY PHILANTHROPIC, I WILL HELP YOU.
AND THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT HOW DO WE LEVERAGE OUR DOLLARS? SO I, YOU KNOW, IF WE LEVERAGE OUR DOLLARS IN THE RIGHT WAY IT DOES, YEAH.
THEN, THEN WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AND WE ARE ABLE TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE SUGGEST, ONE QUESTION, RYAN I HAVE IS CAN WE MAKE THIS WHERE THE MATCH IS MORE THAN 1.1, BUT WE STILL NEED TO DEAL WITH THE AUDUBON CENTER.
BUT UH, GIVEN SOME OF THESE AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE VERY RICH DOLLAR BASE ZOO IS ALREADY COMING UP WITH THAT PROPOSITION, YOU KNOW, OUR FREEDOM, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ONE FOR ONE.
WE CAN SAY I NEED TWO FOR ONE.
CAN, CAN WE CREATE THAT? BECAUSE WE KNOW THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY, UH, DIRECTION FROM THE BOND OFFICE ABOUT WHAT A REQUIREMENT COULD BE.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE FULLY WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PARK BOARD TO MAKE A POLICY DECISION AROUND THAT.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY ONE IS THE DOLLARS, I DEFINITELY, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WILL ADD UP, GIVE $120 MILLION ASK.
I FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE UP TO AT LEAST HALF OF IT TO, YOU KNOW, 60 MILLION THEN WE SEE WILL AGAIN START TRIMMING, CUTTING OR FROM FOUR 50 PEOPLE TO FOUR 70.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN DO DEFINE RULES WHERE IF WE CAN LEVERAGE THIS MORE THAN ONE TO ONE, AND WE USE THOSE EXAMPLE, HEY, ONE OF OUR PARTNERS IS BRINGING THAT, BUT THEN FIND A RULE TO CREATE EXCEPTIONS FOR THINGS LIKE UBON SET.
CAUSE FOR THEM THAT MILLION DOLLAR IS MORE THAN, YOU KNOW, 30 MILLION RULE.
UH, AND WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE A SMALL MATCH, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT THING.
MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE AUDUBON THOUGH IT'S A BIGGER NUMBER, WE CAN TRY TO ROLL INTO A SMALL MATCH RULE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT MY, UH, SUGGESTION WOULD BE.
SO GO WITH THAT NUMBER, SEE HOW WE LEVERAGE IT, BECAUSE TRUST ME, THAT'LL HELP US TO SELL THIS, UH, BOND PROPOSITION TOO.
WE WILL HAVE STRONG PARTNERS WHO ARE GOING TO GO SELL IT AND PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THEY, THAT, UH, PUBLIX THINKS THE ZOO WILL BE UPGRADED AND WILL HAVE A SAFARI LIKE FORT WORTH AND ARBORETUM WILL HAVE THIS NEW ALLEY AND ALL THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE VOTE
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ON.THEY, THEY REALLY, THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, PROP WAS PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT GOT CARRIED THROUGH BECAUSE OF FAIR PART NOT OTHER WAY AROUND.
SO, SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE.
AND AGAIN, ONCE WE ADD UP, I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME BACK TO WHAT WE ARE OR LESS, BUT I THINK I WOULD GO TO 60 FIND A RULE WHERE MATCHES MORE THAN ONE TO ONE, UH, AND UH, SEE WHERE WE GO ABOUT 12%.
SO I ALSO THINK FROM A, YOU KNOW, FROM A VISIBILITY, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER, LIKE THE VISIBILITY OF WHO, WHO IS DALLAS PARK AND RECREATION? WELL, PEOPLE ARE THE ZOO, IT'S THE ARBORETUM, LIKE THE, THIS, THESE ARE HIGH, HIGH VISIBILITY THINGS THAT WE'RE JUDGED ON AS A PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
SO TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM AND REALLY MAKE SURE THEY'RE LOOKING THEIR BEST AND PRE PRESENTING US AND YOU KNOW, FROM A VISITORS, PEOPLE THAT COME TO, YOU KNOW, TOUR TOURISM FROM THE CULTURE OF THE CITY.
I THINK THESE ARE KEY KIND OF, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO QUANTIFY WHAT A REALLY WELL MAINTAINED AND RUNNING OPERATION IS.
AND THESE ARE SOME PRETTY KEY OPERATIONS TO, THAT SPEAKS TO WHO DALLAS PARK PROVIDE IS, AND THEY ARE OUR PROPERTY.
BUT ONE THING THAT MR. KEY BRINGS UP, WE CAN'T TAKE FOCUS AWAY FROM THAT SMALL PART.
WHICH, WHICH TRULY THIS TIME WE'VE CREATED THAT SMALL MATCH, WHICH, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY VALID POINT THAT YEAH, ZOO NEEDS 30, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE $50,000 BENCH, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD PARKING, UH, MR. KARIMI.
AND SO I, I THINK, I THINK WITH SO MUCH DEMAND FOR, FOR THE LARGE MATCH FUNDS AND SUCH A RELATIVELY SMALLER AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, I, I WONDER IF THERE NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERATION FOR A MAXIMUM ASK.
UM, OTHERWISE WE'LL FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE ONE OR TWO OF OUR BELOVED PARTNERS HAVE UNFORTUNATELY CONSUMED THE ENTIRE POT AND, AND NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WOULD BE LEFT OVER FOR SMALLER PARTNERS THAT ARE STILL IN THAT LARGE MATCH CATEGORY.
LIKE THE TWO COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 PARTNERS WHO PRESENTED TO US LAST WEEK, KATY TRAIL AND T CCC, AND THERE'S GONNA BE NOTHING LEFT FOR THEM, WHICH, WHICH IS EERILY SIMILAR TO 2017 WHEN WE ONLY HAD ONE BUCKET OF MATCH FUNDS AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 2.3 MILLION.
AND RIGHT OFF THE BAT, VERY QUICKLY, ONE PARTNER, THE KATY TRAIL CONSUMED ALMOST HALF OF IT.
UM, I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S A CONSIDERATION FOR A MAXIMUM ASK TO HELP SPREAD IT AROUND, OTHERWISE WE MIGHT BE IN SOME TROUBLE.
AND
IS IT ONE TO ONE MATCH, ONE TO TWO MATCH ONE TO THREE MATCH? HOW DO WE SEPARATE PEOPLE ASKS LIKE AUDUBON CENTERS AND ALL IS A UNIQUE CASES.
SO I THINK THAT WILL GET TO THE, I GUESS NEXT SESSION OR SESSION BEFORE WE CLOSE ALL THIS.
UH, MR. DICKEY, THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.
I JUST WANNA PUT A BIT OF A FINER POINT.
YOUR POINT ABOUT JUST BEING CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE DO THE MONEY OUT.
IBEL, I AGREE THAT OUR SIGNATURE PARK PROPERTIES LIKE THIS IN THE ARBORETUM SHOULD GET ALL THE SUPPORT WE NEED, ESPECIALLY THE ZOO WITH A TWO TO ONE.
THAT'S SORT OF A NO-BRAINER ON THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT ARGUMENT, BUT I JUST GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES THAT COULD HELP PUT A POINT ON WHAT I'M SAYING.
PREVIOUS BONDS, WE HAD A $30 MILLION ASK, WELL, A 15 MILLION ASK TO BUILD THE HORSE PARK WITH A PROMISE OF A 15 MILLION MATCH.
WELL, IN THE END, THE PARTNER HAD ONLY RAISED $750,000 AND SO WE'D GONE IN, DESIGNED A 30 MILLION WORLD CLASS HORSE PARK, BUT IN THE END IT ONLY ENDED UP BEING A 15 MILLION TROUBLED HORSE PARK WITH JUST THE BOND MONEY WE COMMITTED.
SO THAT'S ONE WHERE IN RETROSPECT, A NEW PROJECT JUST GOT A BIG THING LESS AND A BIG PROMISE ON NEW PROJECT.
MAYBE WE PRIORITIZE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW AS OPPOSED TO NEW.
THE OTHER ONE I WOULD JUST POINT OUT, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS BAD ABOUT IT, BUT THE WATER COMMONS, THEY HAD A $7 MILLION MATCH AND THAT'S A GOOD PROJECT, BUT IT'S A BIT OF A LUXURY.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE CHOOSING WHO WE, WHOSE MATCHES WE DO, I THINK TO THINK OF, TAKE A STRONGER LOOK AT THE ONE THINGS RAISE OUR PROFILE, BUT WHICH MAYBE THERE, WE HAVE OTHER EXISTING PROVEN PARTNERS THAT WE SHOULD PREFER, YOU KNOW, GIVE PREFERENCE TO WHEN WE DECIDE ON THIS MATCHING MONEY.
UM, AND THEN TO MR.
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THE PROCESS WAS A BIT TROUBLED, THAT IT WAS A BITAND THE, THE KATY TRAIL DID COME IN AND GET A MILLION RIGHT OFF THE BAT.
WELL THAT'S THE NEXT, THAT NEXT ONE.
BUT SO I'LL SAY, SORRY, I GOT OFF ONTO THE SMALL CATEGORY, UH, THERE, SO I'LL SAVE THOSE COMMENTS FOR THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT JUST, JUST TO SAY EXISTING KNOWN THINGS SHOULD TRUMP NEW AMBITIOUS THINGS THAT WITH PROMISES OF MONEY THAT WE'RE NOT SURE ARE EVER GONNA REALLY GET RAISED.
AND I THINK YOU DO BRING UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE ON HOW TO BE FAIR IN THIS PROCESS.
SO, UH, SO WITH, UH, THAT SHOULD BE, UH, MOVE WITH THAT NUMBER OF 60 MILLION AND SEE WHERE WE GO AND THEN HAVE A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION.
HOW DO WE DO THAT ALLOCATION WITH THE MATCHING AND THE FAIRNESS AND EVERYTHING OF IT THAT CHRIS, THAT'S WHERE YEAH.
GOING WITH THIS, UH, PARTNERSHIP MATCHES SMALL MATCHES.
HOW DO WE DEFINE THE SMALL MATCHES? CHRIS, IF YOU DON'T ORDER AROUND, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE, UH, MATCHES ANTICIPATED TO BE RECEIVED BY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, SPRINTS GROUPS, UM, OTHER SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS, MORE KIND OF GRASSROOTS PROJECTS AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF OUR LARGER CAPITAL PARTNERS, FOLKS LIKE, UM, THE LOOP DALLAS AND, AND OUR MANAGEMENT PARTNERS.
SO THESE ARE, AGAIN, THESE ARE, UM, UH, CONTEMPLATED TO BE KIND OF, UH, AGREEMENTS THAT WE DO WITH FRIENDS GROUPS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO DO SMALLER BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS OR IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
AND THIS ONE IS, I'D LOVE TO SEE, I THINK WE HAVE 5 MILLION IN THIS.
I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY 3.1, 3.133 MILLION.
3 MILLION WAS ORIGINALLY, YEAH.
SO WE HAVE 3 MILLION AND THAT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN WE HAD LAST TIME.
I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OTHER THAN LETTING KATY TRAIL GET A MILLION DOLLARS AT THE OUTSET.
ONCE WE GOT THROUGH THAT, I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB AND IT SEEMED TO BE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO INCENTIVIZE THESE FRIENDS GROUPS, NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO GET INVOLVED, RAISE MONEY.
THEY RAISED $200,000 FOR A BRAND NEW PLAYGROUND AND, UH, THE CITY MATCHED IT, AND THAT WAS EXACTLY HOW THIS SHOULD WORK.
AND SO, UM, I I, I THINK WE WANT TO KEEP THIS THE WAY IT IS, BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT WHEN WE IMPLEMENT IT, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT A GROUP CAN GET? AND I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE IT'S LIKE $250,000 OR WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE EQUITABLE.
WE WANT AS MANY GROUPS TO GET THIS MONEY AS POSSIBLE.
AND IN THIS ONE I PROPOSE REVERSE, NOT ONE TO ONE, MAYBE ONE TO 50%.
BUT ANYWAY, MR. KAMI, AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE SMALL MAR, UH, PARTNERSHIP MATCH AND HOW EFFECTIVE IT WAS FOR COUNCIL DISTRICT 14 HERE, LIKE IN THE LAST YEAR, I, I DISAGREE WITH MR. KINTNER.
I, I HONESTLY BELIEVE 3.1, EVEN IN ITS CURRENT STATE, MIGHT BE TOO HIGH.
IF YOU REWIND TO 2017, WE HAD 2.3.
IF THE FRIENDS OF KATIE DIDN'T TAKE 1.3, OKAY, WOULD WE HAVE REALLY EXHAUSTED 2.3 WITH REALLY SMALL PARTNERS? I MEAN, IT CAME DOWN TO THE 11TH HOUR.
AND I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD'VE CONSUMED ALL 2.3 BASED ON, UH, WHAT, WHAT HISTORY JUST RECENTLY PRESENTED US.
SO I WHILE I LOVE THIS BUCKET, I, I'M INCLINED TO THINK IT MIGHT BE TOO HIGH BASED ON WHAT OUR SMALL PARTNERS CAN TRULY PUT UP
UM, OKAY, SO GOING BACK TO, UH, THE LAST TIME 2017 WAS 3.3, UM, UH, WE ALL GOT ON THE TAIL END OF IT WHEN THE MONEY HADN'T BEEN SPENT.
SO IN SPITE OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING THAT A BIG CHUNK OF IT WENT TO ONE PERSON, MR. GREEN'S POINT THAT WHAT BIG CHUNK WENT TO THAT ONE GROUP? BUT THEN WE STILL HAD SPENT THE REST OF IT.
AND SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME PUSHING THAT INFORMATION OUT, GOING BACK OUT TO OUR PARTNERS AND OUR GROUPS AND SAYING, HEY, DO YOU HAVE PROJECTS? COME SPEND THIS MONEY.
SO I THINK MAYBE WE COULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB OF HOW WE PROMOTED IT, BUT I THINK PUTTING A CAP ON IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LIMITING BECAUSE THERE IS A PLACE FOR THOSE 500,000 TO A MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS AND WE HAD SINCE 2017 TO SPEND THIS MONEY AND WE'RE JUST BARELY GETTING THROUGH THE TAIL END OF IT NOW.
AND WE DIDN'T LEAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE WAIT LIST.
LIKE THERE'S NOT A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL WAITING TO SEE IF THE OTHER GROUPS FINISHED.
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COMFORTABLE WITH THE, THE 3 MILLION.I THINK WE SPENT IT ALMOST ALL LAST TIME.
AND I THINK NOW THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S OUT THERE, THEY'RE KIND OF PRIMED TO LOOK FOR FOR THIS NEXT TIME.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE TO COMPRESS SOMETHING, I WOULD BE WILLING TO COMPRESS A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, REALLY CUTTING IT WAY DOWN WOULD BE DOING A DISSERVICE TO SO MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT REALLY DO WANNA BUY THE $250,000 PLAYGROUND.
THERE'S PROBABLY LOW AWARENESS STILL.
WE DID A VERY, THE PROGRAM, YES, WE DID NOT DO A GREAT JOB.
AND I THINK ANYTIME WE PROMOTE, UM, JOINT VENTURES AND BRING IN OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, IS THAT LYMAN'S FAVORITE THING IS SPENDING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.
THAT'S JEFF GOOD NOTICE
BUT YOU KNOW, JUST ANYTIME WE CAN BRING MORE MONEY TO THE TABLE AND DOUBLE OUR MONEY AND MAYBE EVEN ONE AND A HALF PERCENT, OR YOU CAN GET UP TO 75 CENTS PER DOLLAR OR YOU CAN GET A DOLLAR NO, FOR EVERY DOLLAR YOU PUT IN, YOU CAN GET 75 CENTS OR 50 CENTS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE WHERE ONE AND A HALF TIMES AS MUCH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? LIKE PUT SOME PARAMETERS ON THAT.
MAYBE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR FOR THE BIGGER ONES, MAYBE IT'S 75 CENTS PER DOLLAR.
YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT GONE, WE'VE DISCUSSED LET'S THE SMALL BANK, BUT RIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING LIKE IF WE PUT SOME KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIMITATIONS ON IT LIKE THAT.
SO GIVEN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE, THERE WAS A MILLION DOLLARS OF A KT TRAIL, WHICH THIS TIME WILL KIND OF DEFINE AND NOT KIND OF PART OF THAT.
SHOULD WE PUT THIS TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION? AND GIVEN THERE, I THINK A LOT OF MONEY WAS LEFT.
YOU THINK TWO AND A HALF MILLION IS A GOOD NUMBER, WHICH IS A HALF PERCENT OR ROUGHLY A HALF PERCENT.
BUT IMPORTANT IS WHEN WE DISCUSS THAT, HOW DO WE CREATE, HOW WE CREATE THE PARAMETERS THAT THE NEW KATIE TRAIL DOESN'T COME AND WELL THEY WOULD FALL THE BIG PART CATEGORY NOW.
SO YEAH, SO AND THEY HAVE BORROW NEEDS TOO AND YEP.
SO WE, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO, I THINK SPENT, I MEAN WE MIGHT WANT YELL ABOUT THE KATIE JAIL GETTING THAT MONEY, BUT LOOK HOW BEAUTIFUL WE CELEBRATE THE BEAUTIFULNESS OF THAT TRAIL AND THE SUCCESS OF THAT TRAIL DURING COVID.
SO WE SPENT THAT MONEY EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A MILLION DOLLAR MATCH AND IT WAS FRUSTRATING TO SOME, AND IT'S NOT MY DISTRICT, SO I'M JUST, I'M PROMOTING IT FOR THERE.
IT'S, IT WAS MONEY WELL SPENT.
NO ONE IS ETHICALLY TALKING, BUT THE PROCESS, NO ONE IS ARGUING KATIE DETAIL DID A GREAT JOB.
ABSOLUTE WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, NOT IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING THOSE FIGURE ASK, LIKE IF SOMEBODY'S COMING TO ME AND ASKING FOR EIGHT BECAUSE WE WANNA DO A 1.6 MILLION PROJECT, I, I'M INCLINED TO SAY YES INSTEAD OF LIMITING IT, OBVIOUSLY.
SO THIS IS ANOTHER, UH, PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY THAT WE ARE APPROACHED ABOUT CONSTANTLY.
SO THIS, THIS IS PARTNERSHIP WITH SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
THIS IS PARTNERSHIPS WITH, UM, UUA T DALLAS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH.
THIS IS ALSO PERHAPS COULD BE USED FOR, UM, SOME OF THE, THE GREENINGS ARE INITIATIVE PART.
SO WE ARE ROUTINELY APPROACHED BY PARTNERS SEEKING TO HAVE SHARED THESE FACILITIES WITH US, AND WE'RE ONLY LIMITED BY OUR ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE FINANCIALLY.
SO, UM, I THINK IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET FUNDING IN THIS, UH, CATEGORY, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO LOTS OF DEALS TO INCREASE OUR SPECIFICALLY ATHLETIC FIELDS, UM, THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, UM, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UH, SO THIS IS, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN 2017, UM, THAT WE'VE HAD TO, UH, KIND OF CREATIVELY WORK AROUND.
BUT I THINK IF WE HAD SOME POT OF MONEY, I THINK WE WOULD REALLY BE ABLE TO GET A LOT OF BANG FOR OUR BUCK.
CAN YOU, LIKE, AFTER THE LAST POINT, CAN YOU GIVE, YOU, GIVE ONE EXAMPLE, WHICH COULD HAVE HAPPENED, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THIS KIND OF A FUNDING, IF YOU SAY, UH, WELL, I MEAN WE HAVE AN, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING TO DO A, A DEAL WITH THE I S D TO BUILD A NEW BASEBALL FIELD.
UM, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR MONEY FROM US.
WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A SOURCE TO DO IT.
IF WE HAD A A FUNDING SOURCE LIKE THIS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE I S D TO BUILD A BRAND NEW ARTIFICIAL TURF BASEBALL FIELD, WHICH WE HAVE VERY FEW REAL BASEBALL FIELDS.
UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A FUNDING SOURCE FOR IT.
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I'M WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.UH, AND WOULD, THAT WOULD BE AN EXCLUSIVE FIELD FOR D I S D? IT WOULD BE A SHARED, IT WOULD BE A SHARED ACCESS, JUST LIKE WE HAVE WITH THEM AND OTHER SITES.
CONRAD HIGH SCHOOL, UH, WILLIS WINTERS, RIVERON ULTIMATELY.
SO WE HAVE, UH, $4.69 HERE ON AGENCY MATCHES.
ANY THOUGHT MR. KITMAN? YEAH, CAN I, UH, CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION? SO THIS WOULD BE POTENTIALLY FEDERAL MONEY, STATE MONEY, COUNTY MONEY TECH.
DO COG ANY OF THESE DEPARTS, RIGHT? THEORETICALLY, YES, BUT I THINK IT WOULD LIKELY BE THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS COUNTY PRIMARILY.
WELL, IN NORTH HAVEN TRAIL IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THESE PROJECTS WORK WITH SHARED MONEY.
AND SO I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR IDENTIFYING THIS NEED.
AND, UH, AS COUNCILMAN MCCLEON ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, THIS WILL HELP GET THOSE PROJECTS DONE.
O P ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, I DO SIR.
YEAH, I'M, I, I, I'M, I'M FOR THIS TOO, YOU KNOW, SO YOU, YOU KNOW THAT JUST CUZ I KNOW THE VALUE OF HAVING PARTNERS, ESPECIALLY LIKE U AND T, UH, AND, AND, AND V I T OF COURSE.
UH, SO AGAIN, THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER IT, I THINK THE NUMBER SHOULD BE HIGHER, BUT, BUT WE GOTTA, IT'S BRAND NEW SO WE CAN JUST TRY IT OUT THIS FIRST TIME.
BUT THE PARTNERSHIPS DO BRING VALUE, ESPECIALLY IF OUR YOUTH CAN USE THE FIELDS, OUR REC CENTERS, IF WE GET, IF THE PARTNERSHIP'S WRITTEN RIGHT WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET, AT LEAST IF WE'RE HALF AND HALF PARTNERS, THEN WE SHOULD AT LEAST GET HALF THE HOURS ON IT.
UH, THEN THIS IS A GREAT DEAL FOR US CUZ THEY'LL HELP US MAINTAIN IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF D S D HELPS US AND OF COURSE YOU AND T WILL TOO, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT THING TO DO.
SO JUST DON'T, I WISH THE NUMBER COULD BE HIGHER, BUT I JUST KNOW IT'S FIRST TIME ON THE BOND OR ANY ANYWHERE.
SO EVEN IF YOU GUYS DECIDE TO SQUEEZE IT DOWN, I'M STILL FOR THIS FOR SURE.
SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH LIKE PARTNERSHIP MATCHES.
THIS IS MORE WITH THE DIFFERENT OTHER CITY AGENCIES OR PARTIES, RIGHT? SO SAME CONCEPT BUT DIFFERENT SET OF PARTNERS.
I I PERSONALLY WOULD VOTE TO GO A LITTLE LOWER THIS FIRST TIME OUT SINCE THIS UNCHARTED TERRITORY.
I MEAN, WE KNOW IT'S GONNA COME UP.
BUT I MEAN, WHEN I'M HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, PUSH BACK ON OUR KNOWN PARTNERS WHO HAVE PROJECTS, THEY, THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE THE MONEY AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY NO TO THEM FOR THEIR FULL ASK.
AND YET I'M HOLDING THIS MONEY ASIDE OVER HERE FOR STUFF THAT'S POTENTIALLY COMING OUR WAY.
WELL, I MEAN THERE ARE, SORRY IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY, THERE ARE SOME KNOWN QUANTITIES FOR SURE.
OUR COOL SCHOOL INITIATIVE BEING A PRIMARY ONE.
SO WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN FUNDING, UM, THE FIRST 25 THROUGH A VARIETY OF WAYS, PRIMARILY THROUGH PRIVATE DONATIONS.
BUT THOSE, UH, RESOURCES BEEN TAPPED AND WE STILL HAVE 20 SITES THAT WE, UM, FULLY DESIRE TO IMPROVE.
AND THIS WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE FOR 20 OF THOSE SITES.
THAT'S THAT'S A, THAT'S THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ASK THAN WE WANT AGENCY MATCH.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT MEET THESE MATCHES.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.
THERE'S A U N T DALLAS AGREEMENT, THERE'S A AGREEMENT WITH DALLAS COLLEGE AT MULTIPLE CAMPUSES.
THERE'S MANY OPPORTUNITIES AT D I S D.
THERE'S A, I COULD SPEND THAT MONEY LIKE THAT IF, IF I HAD IT TODAY.
WHAT IS THE UT PROJECT REAL QUICK? UT IS INTERESTED IN BUILDING A KIND OF A PREMIER ATHLETIC FACILITY.
WE WANNA DO A A STADIUM FIELD.
THEY WANNA DO BASEBALL FIELDS, A SOCCER FIELDS, AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR FUNDING PARTNERS AND THEY'RE WILLING TO GIVE ACCESS TO, TO OUR CITIZENS AND OUR KIDS.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE A INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY IN THAT PART OF TOWN.
UM, IT'S ON CAMPBELL SOUTHERN DALLAS.
I WAS THINKING GET SOME BACKGROUND.
WE ALREADY HAVE A TRAIL THAT GOES THROUGH THERE THROUGH THE COLLEGE STARTED COMMUNITY OPEN.
IT'S ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT, I THINK IT'S TOO WIDE OPEN CUZ IT FEEL LIKE ANYBODY CAN GO CAMPUS, EVERY DEPARTMENT OF CITY, WHICH THEY HAVE AN ENDOWMENT WHICH IS BIGGER THAN HALF THE END OUT
SO I, I'M A LITTLE LESS SYMPATHETIC THAT THEY JUST KEEP ON COMING WITH THIS GOAL WITH
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EVERY DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY, PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE.AND SO I'M JUST GOING GO BACK TO WE'RE BEING ASKED TO LIKE, LOOK AT THIS PIE AND SLICE IT UP AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE, YOU KNOW, ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING COMMUNITY.
WE'RE, I MEAN WE'RE GOING AND WE'RE FUNDING OUR THINGS, RIGHT? AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO OUR PARTNERS, OUR, OUR KNOWN PARTNERS WHO ARE, ARE HELPING US FUND OUR THINGS THAT WE GET TO IS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
BUT YET THIS BUCKET IS FOR PARTNERING ON THINGS THAT AREN'T OURS AND AREN'T USED A HUNDRED PERCENT BY US AND REALLY NEED TO BE SORT OF LOOKED AT AS IT AS IT AFFECTS THE WHOLE SYSTEM.
SO IF YOU'RE SAYING I WANT THIS MIGHT GIMME MORE ACCESS TO BALL FIELDS, WELL, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE THEM A MILLION AND YOU'RE GONNA GET THIS MUCH MORE ACCESS TO A BALL FIELD THAT IS NOT OUR PARK, BUT YET COULD I TAKE THAT MILLION AND REALLY DO SOMETHING WITH OUR BALLPARKS? SO AGAIN, I'M, I'M INCLINED TO COMPRESS A LITTLE BIT ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE KNOWN PARTNERS WITH KNOWN PROJECTS THAT ARE IN OUR PARKS THAT BENEFIT US AND OUR USERS A HUNDRED PERCENT.
WHERE THIS IS, I MEAN WE HATE TO LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE AND WE DO WANNA PARTNER WITH PEOPLE WHO BRING US THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S A BIG CHUNK OF THE MONEY THAT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME PUSHING BACK ON STUFF THAT WE FEEL LIKE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US, NOT GENERALIZE COOL SCHOOLS, GREAT PARTNER, LOVE TO FUND HIM.
SCHOOLS, SORRY, I MEAN SCHOOLS FUNDING RIGHT NOW SHOULD BE SO, UH, ANY THOUGHTS IF WE BRING THIS DOWN TO TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS? IT'S NOT A BIG KID DOESN'T GET A PLAYGROUND THAT'S GONNA RAISE OUR PLAYGROUND.
10 MINUTE WALK UP ON THE THAT COOL SCHOOLS IS HELPING US RAISE OUR INDEX.
I COULD EMPHASIZE THAT THESE KIND OF PARTNERSHIPS, THIS FUNDING GOES TOWARDS PARTNERSHIPS THAT REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE IN A MEANINGFUL WAY ON 10 MINUTE WALK STUFF.
AND YOU KNOW, THEN IT'S A MATTER OF HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT TO US? I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
THAT'S, YEAH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR EXISTING PARKS AND THAT'S A GREAT THING TO DO, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY INCREASING PARK ACCESS TO, TO, TO OUR RESIDENTS.
WE'RE OPENING UP OPPORTUNITIES TO OUR RESIDENTS THAT DON'T CURRENTLY EXIST.
IS THAT SPECIFICALLY FOR COOL SCHOOLS OR FOR ALL OF THE OPPORTUNITIES? IT WOULD BE FOR ALL OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE OFFICIALLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC DALLAS COLLEGE FOR INSTANCE.
THEY CALLED ME A FEW WEEKS AGO AND SAID, HEY RYAN, I'D LOVE TO, I'D LOVE TO DO THIS DEAL.
WHAT YOU GUYS, WHAT CAN YOU DO? SO THIS SOURCE OF FUNDING COULD BE A WAY THAT WE COULD HELP IMPROVE THOSE CAMPUSES, NOT FULLY BY, BY ANY MEANS, BUT WE CAN IN A MODEST WAY, INVEST IN THOSE CAMPUSES AND MAKE MEANINGFUL PARKS ON THOSE COMMUNITY COLLEGE CAMPUSES FOR THE RESIDENTS.
CAN WE, WE LIMIT THIS TO PROJECTS THAT MOVE THAT NEEDLE.
CAN WE PUT THAT CAVEAT ON IT? I THINK YOU COULD BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE WOULD MOVE THE NEEDLE.
I'M TRYING TO GET YOU 5 MILLION, BUT, WELL I THINK GIVEN WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, THIS 10 MINUTE WALK IS A HUGE INITIATIVE RIGHT? FROM MAYOR TO THE COUNCIL.
I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS AND THEN WE CAN COME TO THE CAVEATS WHEN WE DISCUSS THE MORTALITY.
SO I THINK WE LEAVE THIS AS A DISCUSSED.
THANKS SIR RYAN FOR EXPLANATION.
JUST DON'T BRING UP U T D NEXT TIME OR NO UT SORRY.
PEDESTRIAN, PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE REPLACEMENTS.
UH, HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE THERE? 1.8 DATES OR 2 MILLION.
UH, CHRIS, ANY REALLY QUICK THOUGHTS? THESE ARE THE THREE FOUR VIEW.
SO BASED ON THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, WE WERE ASSUMING $750,000 PER PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE.
AND WE ORIGINALLY HAD FOUR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE IN THE 719 MILLION ESTIMATE.
SO WHEN WE REDUCED IT DOWN, WE'RE NOW DOWN TO 1.88 MILLION, WHICH BASICALLY GIVES US TWO PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE, WHEN YOU SAY PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES, IS THAT, ARE THEY INSIDE PARKS? ARE THEY, IT IT WILL BE BASED ON THE, UM, EVALUATION THAT'S BEING DONE BY OUR CONSULTANT.
WE KNOW WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE NEEDING TO BE REPLACED RIGHT NOW BASED ON THOSE, UM, ANALYSIS THAT ARE BEING DONE AND THAT BRIDGE INVENTORY THAT'S BEING DONE.
SO WE'LL BE RANKING THEM IN PRIORITY ORDER AS FAR AS WHICH NEED TO BE REPLACED AND WHICH WITH MOST IMPERATIVE TO BE REPLACED.
SO SOME OF THESE, LIKE THESE PROJECTS, I CALL IT A
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MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING OUT.IF BOND WAS NOT THERE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? WE'LL JUST HAVE FALLING BRIDGES BASICALLY.
WE WOULD BE TRYING TO FIND THE MONEY IN THE OPERATING BUDGET, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND THAT KIND OF MONEY IN THE OPERATING BUDGET.
I THINK I WOULD NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN OPERATING.
THIS IS THE MAINTENANCE, A HUNDRED PERCENT MAINTENANCE ISSUE UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM.
ANY TALKS? I, YOU KNOW, ME, I THINK WE NEED MORE MONEY TO RUN OUR PARK SYSTEM.
IF WE'RE HAVING TO GO TO A BOND TO PAY FOR SAILING BRIDGE, IS IT SORT OF HIT OF OKAY, I THINK, WE'LL WE NEED TO TAKE THIS OFF, CHRIS.
I MEAN I I WILL NOTE THAT AS MARIA'S AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THE DIFFS AND BRANCH GREENBELT, UM, BRIDGE CLOSED FOR QUITE SOME TIME BECAUSE BASICALLY WE'VE HAD TRIED TO FIND THE MONEY IN THE OPERATING BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION AND BEING ABLE TO FIND THESE FUNDS AND THE OPERATING BUDGET IS, IS A CHALLENGE.
WHICH IS WHY WE WANTED TO MOVE AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE WANTED TO MOVE FOUR PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES PER YEAR FOR, FOR BOND PROGRAM OVER INTO CAPITAL BECAUSE REPLACING THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE REALLY ISN'T MAINTENANCE.
IT IS A CAPITAL INVESTMENT, NOT JUST REPAIRING THEM OR REPLACING THEM.
AND WE ARE REPLACING BECAUSE WE THEN THE BRIDGES ARE MET THEIR LIFE OR THEY WE'RE REPLACING THEM BASICALLY.
A FAILURE I THINK FEW WEEKS BACK WE DELIBERATED ON ONE BRIDGE, WHICH WITHIN A YEAR IT WAS FAILING AND WE WERE, WE HAD NO GUARANTEES AND I FORGOT WHICH PROJECT IT WAS.
MOCK MOCKINGBIRD, THE MOCKINGBIRD, YOU REMEMBER THAT? SO ARE THESE LIKE, ARE THEY 40, 30 YEAR OLD BRIDGES OR IF THEY'RE FAILING, WHICH ARE NEW ONES? JUST, I'M, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.
ARE THEY FAILING BECAUSE OF THE AGE OR ARE THESE, OR DO WE, DO WE KNOW THE AGE OF THE BELLS, WHICH WE ARE, UH, UH, AGE OF THE BRIDGES, WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO REPLACE.
I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFIC INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, BUT BASICALLY IT, IT IS BASED ON THE BRIDGE ASSESSMENT REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE BY OUR, OUR THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT.
AND THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED SPECIFIC BRIDGES THAT WHEN WHETHER IT'S BE EROSION CONTROL ISSUES, WHETHER IT BE JUST THE AGE OF THE BRIDGE, WHETHER IT BE THE CONCRETE DECK HAS ISSUES, WHETHER FLOODS HAVE ISSUES.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEDESTRIAN BRIDGES THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED TO BE REPLACED.
WELL, I'M, FOR ANY THOUGHT, TO ME THIS MAINTENANCE, IT NEEDS TO GO WELL I THINK, I THINK WE'RE BETWEEN, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE BECAUSE WE KNOW WE NEED MORE MONEY IN OUR, IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET.
WE KNOW WE NEED MORE MONEY IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET IN ORDER TO FIX ALL THE BRIDGES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN ON THAT POINT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED.
WILL WE EVER SEE THAT ADDITIONAL 4 MILLION IN OUR ANNUAL OPERATING BUDGET TO DO THAT? PROBABLY NOT.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE GONNA GO SPEND, WE'RE GONNA GO ASK FOR 15 MILLION TO BUILD A MANDATORY, AND YET WE HAVE BRIDGES IN OUR SYSTEM THAT ARE FAILING AND OUR OPERATING BUDGET IS NOT GONNA BE INCREASING IN A WAY THAT WE CAN FIX OUR BRIDGES.
SO ALL WE'RE DOING IS LIKE, HERE'S LET, LET US BUILD SOME MORE NEW STUFF WITH THIS BOND MONEY, BUT YET WE STILL ARE NEVER EVER GONNA HAVE THE MONEY TO GO FIX THE STUFF THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
IS THE SYSTEM BROKEN? ARE WE DOING THIS AS BACKWARDS? PROBABLY.
BUT IF WE DON'T PUT IT IN HERE, THIS IN OUR, IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET DOESN'T INCREASE, THEN WHAT DO WE GOT? WE GOT A NEW NATATORIUM AND FAILING BRIDGES.
SO I MEAN I'M, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE FRUSTRATION WITH IT AND I'M FRUSTRATED TOO BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE OUR OPERATING BUDGET NEEDS TO BE INCREASED HUGELY CUZ WE DON'T TAKE GOOD CARE OF OUR STUFF.
BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING LIKE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO DO YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND BITE THE BULLET, SELL SOME MONEY IN THERE FOR BRIDGES? PROBABLY BECAUSE OTHER LAWYERS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET FIXED.
I MEAN THERE'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS AND THERE'S REALITY.
SO AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME
YOU KNOW, TO FURTHER MS HA HANEY'S POINT, I I I LOOK AT, I LOOK AT WHAT SHE'S SAYING THE SAME WAY I LOOK AT, UM, THE LAND ACQUISITION PIECE.
UM, I KNOW THAT WE WANT TO ACQUIRE MORE LAND AS THE FUTURE OF OUR PARK SYSTEM, BUT WE HAVE A HARD TIME MAINTAINING THE SYSTEM WE HAVE NOW.
UM, AND SO I I MEAN I I UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE'S SAYING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE NATATORIUM AND USING THAT AND I MEAN IT'S, IT'S AN AUDITORIUM I REQUESTED, BUT WE'LL LEAVE THAT ASIDE, BUT THAT'S AN EXAMPLE NOT, BUT, BUT SHE MAKES A VALID POINT.
LIKE WE, WE'VE GOT STUFF THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A STRUGGLE MAINTAINING.
UM, AND WE'VE ALLOCATED 45 MILLION TO NEW LAND ACQUISITION.
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AND I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO, TRYING TO REWIND US BACK THREE HOURS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.OKAY? YES, MR. J AND I TOTALLY AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BUILD THESE, WE SHOULD REPLACE THESE BRIDGES AND TAKE SOMETHING FROM, WHETHER IT'S LAND, THE, THE INDOOR POOLS OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS, RIGHT? SOMETHING'S GOTTA GIVE IT IS A HALF PERCENT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, 0.5 OR 0.42, BUT IT'S JUST A HALF PERCENT.
WE CAN TAKE THAT FROM SOMEWHERE THAT MIGHT NOT GET SOMETHING NEW THAT MIGHT NOT GET BUILT.
CAUSE WE GOT BRIDGES REPLACED, LESS FANCY PRO SHOP.
GOOD BRIDGE SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT.
SEEMS LIKE CONSENSUS AS WE LEAVE IT, RIGHT? I, I'M WILLING TO PUT ON JOHN.
JOHN YOU BETTER GIVE UP THIS DEAL.
OKAY, PLAYGROUNDS THE HOT TOPIC OF PLAYGROUNDS.
WE HAVE 6.57 MILLION AND I KNOW 10 WE HAVE ANY, ANY OVERVIEW YOU WANT TO GIVE CHRIS BEFORE, UM, BASICALLY WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY 20 PLAYGROUNDS.
UM, AGAIN, ESTIMATING THERE WOULD BE ABOUT $300,000 A PIECE.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON PLAYGROUNDS AT THE LAST MEETING AND ABOUT INCREASING THE FUNDING PLAYGROUNDS.
SO WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO YOUR INPUT AND YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO DO IN THIS CATEGORY.
I THINK WE ALMOST NEED TO LOOK AT PLAYGROUNDS AND REC CENTERS TOGETHER BECAUSE I GET THE SENSE FROM OUR, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BUT I GOT THE SENSE FROM OUR DISCUSSION LAST WEEK THAT WE ALL FAVOR A LITTLE BIT MORE IN PLAYGROUNDS AND MAYBE REDUCING A LITTLE BIT ON THE B REC CENTER SIDE.
AND SO MAYBE THAT'S AN EASY WAY TO SWAP SOME MONEY FROM B REC CENTERS OVER TO PLAYGROUNDS BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH A LONG LIST OF PLAYGROUNDS, WHICH WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE DIDN'T QUITE HAVE THE SAME NEED ON THE REC CENTERS, BUT WE'VE GOT SO MUCH MORE MONEY THAT 22% OF OUR BUDGETS ON REC CENTERS, BUT ONLY 1.5 IS ON PLAYGROUND.
AND SO I, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU COULD HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT, MOVE SOME OF THAT REC CENTER MONEY OVER TO THE PLAYGROUND SIDE.
AND SO I, I AGREE KIND OF, BUT PLAYGROUNDS ARE PROBABLY OUR MOST, UM, VISUAL ELEMENT THAT WE CAN PUT IN OUR PARKS.
I DON'T PLAY ON 'EM, I DON'T HAVE KIDS TO PLAY ON 'EM, BUT I CAN DRIVE BY A PLAYGROUND OR A PARK AND SEE A PLAYGROUND THAT'S UNIQUE.
I THINK THAT IF WE PUT NEW PLAYGROUNDS ACROSS THE CITY AND REPLACE OUR AGE PLAYGROUNDS, WE ARE GONNA MAKE A MAJOR IMPACT.
THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA FEEL LIKE THEY GOT A BANG FOR THEIR BUCK ON THIS BOND.
UM, AND IF WE CONTINUE TO DO BOND PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT A LITTLE BIT SHOWY, LIKE WE DO ALL THE, THE, THE PLUMBING INSTEAD OF THE THE FLASHY PLAYGROUND, UM, WE, WE NEED TO DO SOME SIGNATURE THINGS AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE THE PLAYGROUND MASTER PLAN CHAIR AGAIN.
UM, IN THE LAST CONVERSATION, UM, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY SO THAT WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLOCATED THE, THE ALL INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUNDS, BUT QUITE HONESTLY THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE GONNA BE ALL INCLUSIVE NOW BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE HARD SURFACE ON ALL OF 'EM.
SO MOST OF THEM SHOULD BE ALL INCLUSIVE OR AT LEAST HAVE AN ALL INCLUSIVE ELEMENT.
UM, BUT SOME OF 'EM MAY BE LARGER, LIKE MORE OF A REGIONAL PLAYGROUND.
UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAYGROUND LIST.
UM, AND THAT WASN'T INCORPORATED IN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY LIST.
IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, DEFINED YOU SAID IT, BUT YOU LET THE MONEY THE SAME, UM, ON THE LIST.
SO WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE DOLLARS.
BUT I'M PERSONALLY IN FAVOR NOW THAT IT'S 6 MILLION SOMETHING, 6.57 MILLION, I'M IN FAVOR AT LEAST TRIPLING IT, UM, SOMEHOW BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO HIT, YOU KNOW, THE PLAYGROUNDS THAT MET THEIR LIFE 20 YEARS AGO NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED.
UM, WHETHER WE NEED AN OUTSIDE AGENCY TO LOOK AT THE PLAYGROUNDS WITH AN OUTSIDER'S PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE HAD PARKDALE ON THERE AS NUMBER ONE.
PARKDALE IS A NICE PLAYGROUND.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPLACED AT THIS POINT.
IT MIGHT NEED A SHADE STRUCTURE, BUT IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO THAT'S $300,000 THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPENT.
BUT IT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PLAYGROUNDS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED AND WE NEED TO REPLACE THEM AND WE NEED TO ADD SOME NEW PLAYGROUNDS IN SOME AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE PLAYGROUNDS
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BECAUSE PARTS ARE NOT, OUR PLAYGROUNDS ARE ESSENTIAL TO ALL PARTS.AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE BA IT'S A BASIC AMENITY IN MY OPINION.
AND I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD PROBABLY BE AT ABOUT 5% AT A COST, ABOUT 22 MILLION PLUS GIVES US ABOUT 75 PLAYGROUNDS REPLACE OR REFURBISHED WHATEVER.
AND THAT'S WHAT DIRECTOR JENKINS WAS LOOKING FOR.
AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE PRETTY EASY.
WE GOT 130 ON THAT LIST, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA NECESSARILY GET ALL OF 'EM, BUT WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA DO A LOT OF GOOD AROUND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD.
NOT JUST MY, THE SOUTHERN PART.
NORTH DALLAS NEEDS SOME REPLACEMENT.
THERE'S THAT NEEDS INVENTORY PART GETS PRETTY BIG WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
UH, CAUSE EVERYBODY USES THE PLAYGROUNDS EVERYWHERE, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU ARE.
SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT 5% AND TRY TO GET ABOUT 75 REDO PLAYGROUNDS.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I I TOOK MY KIDS' PLAYGROUNDS.
WELL, THEY WERE YOUNG ENOUGH TO PLAYGROUNDS AND MOST OF THESE PLAY THE ONES THAT I KNOW ABOUT AND SOME OF THEM ARE ON THIS LIST THAT ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR OR UP FOR REPAIR.
LIKE, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH 'EM.
LIKE THEY'RE PERFECTLY PLAYABLE.
NOTHING'S IF THEY'RE NOT BROKEN.
OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE BROKEN, THEY NEED TO BE REPAIRED.
BUT WHEN THESE, THESE PLAYGROUNDS AGE OUT OR WARRANTY OUT, I, MAYBE I'M JUST A PRESERVATIONIST AND I'M CHEAP, BUT LIKE IF IT'S NOT BROKEN AND IT'S STILL FUNCTIONAL, IS THE, DO WE REALLY WANNA SPEND $300,000 TO RIP OUT A PLAYGROUND THAT STILL WORKS AND IS STILL FUNCTIONAL WHEN MAYBE WE COULD TAKE THAT MONEY AND GO BUILD A BRAND NEW PLAYGROUND IN A PARK THAT DOESN'T HAVE ONE? SO I HATE TO SEE US JUST GOING AND RIPPING OUT EQUIPMENT THAT IS STILL FUNCTIONAL AND WORKS GREAT JUST BECAUSE IT'S REACHED ITS SHELF LIFE.
I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S, I KNOW THERE'S OLD SWING SETS I'VE SEEN AROUND, I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE, BUT THERE'S OLD SWING SETS FROM THE FIFTIES THAT PEOPLE STILL USE.
SO I, I'M NOT SAYING PLAYGROUNDS AREN'T IMPORTANT, THEY ARE VERY MUCH THE FACE OF PARKS.
IT'S, THEY GET A LOT OF USAGE.
BUT YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, OUR SWIMMING POOLS, OUR, YOU KNOW, IT JUST GOES ON.
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT.
I JUST, IT PAINS ME TO SEE US ALLOCATING 300 TO 500 A PIECE TO REMOVE EQUIPMENT THAT IS NOT BROKEN INSTEAD FUNCTIONING.
SO I, I, I SUPPORT PLAYGROUNDS.
I, I WANT TO SEE THEM ALL IN GOOD SHAPE.
I WANT TO SEE AS MANY AS WE CAN AFFORD TO PUT IN AS MANY PARKS AS WE CAN AFFORD TO PUT 'EM IN.
BUT MAYBE YOUR PARKDALE WOULD RATHER HAVE A SHAPE, SHAPE STRUCTURE.
IT WOULD THEN RIP IT ALL OUT IN BRAND NEW PLAY EQUIPMENT.
I JUST, I WOULD SAY LET'S BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT SAYING WE ARE GOING TO SYSTEMATICALLY REMOVE EVERY PLAYGROUND WHEN IT HITS ITS, ITS WARRANTY LIFE AND MAYBE BE A LITTLE MORE STRATEGIC ABOUT PUTTING PLAYGROUNDS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE VERSUS JUST REMOVING AND REPLACING WHEN THEY HIT X DATE.
SO THAT'S MY ONLY IT 6.5 MIGHT BE ENOUGH TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO UNTIL THE NEXT, UH, ON PROGRAM.
I, I JUST, I DON'T WANNA SEE RIPPING OUT ALL ONES JUST TO PUT IN NEW ONES CUZ THEY HIT 20 YEARS.
SO THERE WAS 130, 130 THAT WERE AT THE END OF LIFE IF RIGHT JR'S SAYING AT THAT NUMBER, IT'S ONLY 75.
DON'T RIP OUT ADD ELEMENTS THAT MIGHT COST A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT WE ADDED MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS TO WHERE THERE IS NO PLAYGROUND.
RIGHT? NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
AND I THINK WE STILL NEED, AND I DIDN'T MEAN LIKE GO REPLACE 75, I'M SAYING LIKE PICK THE 75, THE DEBT THAT DOES BE REPLACED AND THEN WE GOT SEVEN YEARS TO THE NEXT BOND.
SO NOW WE HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER TO THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO BE REPLACED THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS CAUSE BE SEVEN YEARS BEFORE THE NEXT BOND.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW THE NEEDS INVENTORY GETS.
LIKE MR. WOOD WAS SAYING, HIS DOESN'T NEED TO BE REPLACED.
THAT COULD BE SOMETHING WE DO THAT MOST OF 'EM THAT SOLVES OUR PROBLEM.
WHEN YOU SAY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, YEAH, MINE, DOES IT NEED TO BE REPLACED? IS IT BROKEN? IS IT GONE? ARE PIECES MISSING? IS IT SMASHED? I MEAN, IS IT, WHY DOES IT NEED THERE? THERE'S, THERE'S SEVERAL THAT ARE ABOUT 90% GOOD.
WE NEED TO REPLACE THE OTHER 10% THAT MAY WE'LL GET PARTS FOR A WHILE, I THINK.
AND, AND SOME OF THAT THAT, THAT NEEDS TO GET, THAT NEEDS TO BE REFURBISHED.
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I THINK HE'S STINKY.BUCKY, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? YEAH, I THINK HE'S AT IESS.
DID YOU SAY MY NAME, SIR? YES, MR. K.
UH, PLAYGROUNDS, I MEAN, GOSH, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING I CAN SAY THAT I HAVEN'T SAID ALREADY, BUT I I IT'S ALWAYS WORTH REPEATING.
UM, I AM CONFIDENT THAT EACH OF US PASSIONATE ABOUT OUR PLAYGROUNDS.
CAN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, YEAH.
I'M CONFIDENT THAT EACH OF US ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE TWO OR THREE OR FOUR PLAYGROUNDS IN OUR DISTRICT THAT ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE IN THAT LIST CAN GET ON THAT LIST IF WE SIMPLY UTILIZE THE COUNCIL MEMBER PARK BOARD PORTION INFLUENCE OF THE SCORING CRITERIA.
UM, THAT SAID, UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE DOING THAT AT THE EXPENSE OF EACH OTHER BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY LIKE 20 PLAYGROUNDS THAT COULD BE ON THAT LIST AT THIS MOMENT.
UM, PLAYGROUNDS AGE OUT, YES, THEY DO BECOME UNSAFE, BUT EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T BECOME UNSAFE, THEY'RE NOT INNOVATIVE ANYMORE.
UH, I KNOW I'VE MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, OUR KIDS ARE EVOLVING AND, AND AS A RESULT OUR PLAYGROUNDS NEED TO, UH, EVOLVE AND INNOVATE AS WELL.
IT NEEDS TO KINDA NURTURE THAT INTEREST THAT THAT PIQUE THEIR CURIOSITY.
LIKE, OH WOW, I CAN PLAY IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN LIKE MY OLDER BROTHERS PLAYED.
OR, YOU KNOW, MY PARENTS PLAYED BECAUSE WE BALL EVOLVED.
WE MENTIONED INNOVATION IN OUR GOLF CENTERS.
SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT EARLIER.
WE WANT TO INNOVATE IN OUR GOLF CENTERS.
WE NEED TO INNOVATE IN OUR PLAYGROUNDS TOO.
BUT I MEAN, IF THERE'S JUST ONE IMPORTANT THING I CAN LEAVE YOU WITH ABOUT PLAYGROUNDS AND THEIR IMPORTANCE.
THIS IS HOW WE FOSTER LOVE OF PARKS WITH OUR CHILDREN, WITH OUR TWO-YEAR-OLDS, OUR THREE-YEAR-OLDS.
IF THEY'RE EXCITED TO GO TO THEIR PLAYGROUND AND BE IN THEIR PARK, THEY'RE GONNA GROW UP AS PARK LOVERS.
IF THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THOSE PLAYGROUNDS, THAT'S THE VERY FIRST THING FOR THEM.
IF THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN THOSE PLAYGROUNDS, THEY'RE GONNA TURN OUT TO BE PARK HATERS.
BUT, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE THINGS EXCITING FOR THEM.
I THINK JOHN JENKINS TOLD ME IN PHOENIX WE'VE GOT 60 OR 70 PARKS THAT HAVE AGED OUT.
60 OR 70 PARKS NEED TO BE INNOVATED.
THEY NEED TO BE UP UPDATED TO THE LATEST GREATEST.
UH, I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN TRIPLE THIS NUMBER.
THANK YOU, UH, MR. ANY, UH, MR. LAUGHTER THAT YOU GOT? 8:00 PM HAPPY NEW YEAR.
UH, JUST BEFORE WE SUSPEND THIS MEETING IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES,
YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT MY GRANDSON ON THE SAME MONKEY BAR THAT I PLAYED ON.
CAUSE IT GETS DOUBLE AND WE GOTTA BE INNOVATIVE AND HERE, HERE WE GO AGAIN.
WHEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA COMMIT STAFF ON BEING, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THIS INITIATIVE ABOUT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO AND WE KEEP CRYING ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS.
IF SOMETHING HAS GONE WRONG AND ONE OF OUR PARKING LOTS AND ONE OF OUR PARKS, WE LOOK BACK AT STAFF AND WE ALWAYS SAY, WHY DIDN'T STAFF GET THIS DONE? NOW STAFF IS PRESENTING THIS TO THE BOARD FOR US TO GET THIS DONE.
AND, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE GOTTA BE INNOVATIVE.
WE WANT OUR KIDS TO BE INTERESTED BECAUSE FOR THE PARKS, PARKS CONNECTS PEOPLE AND WE WANT OUR KIDS TO BE ADVOCATES LIKE WE ARE.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE'RE ON THIS BOARD.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS A BLESSING TO BE HERE.
I I THINK, UH, UH, THESE PARKS NEED TO BE, PLAYGROUNDS NEED TO BE UPGRADED.
AND ALSO I AGREE THAT SOME OF THESE PARTS DON'T, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE, WE CAN DO LIKE SHADE COVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I, I'M, I'M ON BOARD WITH THIS AND UH, WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS AND, AND, AND, AND, UH, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.
SO OVERWHELMING, UH, THING IS WE LEAVE IT AS IT IS AND, UH, UH, UH, INVEST KNOW INCOME.
DID YOU, IS IT 6 MILLION OR TRIPLE THOUGHT WE WANTED TO TRIPLE IT.
YEAH, I THOUGHT MAJORITY OF US WANTED TO TRIPLE IT.
I WANNA INCREASE IT AT DECREASE REC CENTERS.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT, OKAY, SO PRISCILLA, UH, PRISCILLA, YOU WANT TO, UH, YES.
I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO MY THANK YOU SO MUCH, PRESIDENT AGGARWAL.
I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES' COMMENTS AND, UM, UM, ABOUT NOT, MAYBE NOT REPLACING, IF IT DOESN'T NEED REPLACING AND MAYBE ADDING OTHER, OTHER AMENITIES TO THE PLAYGROUND.
HOW CAN WE AS PARK BOARD MEMBERS SUPPORT THAT? DO WE NEED TO JUST VISIT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW,
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VISIT, MAKE SURE, LOOK AT THE PARKS IN OUR OWN DISTRICTS AND MAKE AND, AND, AND, AND MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? OR, OR HOW DO WE EVEN DETERMINE THAT? GOOD QUESTION, CHRIS.ANY THOUGHT? ANYONE, ANY THOUGHTS? SO TWO ANSWERS TO THAT.
SO ONE AGAIN, Y'ALL, Y'ALL KNOW YOUR DISTRICTS BETTER THAN WE DO.
AND IF YOU KNOW THAT IF THERE'S A, A PLAYGROUND THAT HAS GONE OUT OF ITS, YOU KNOW, WARRANTY, BUT IT'S STILL IN GOOD SHAPE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT.
AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A PURE ANALYTICAL ANALYSIS.
THIS IS JUST BRING ACROSS SCORING WITHOUT THE RESEARCH IN THE FIELD.
SO THAT'S ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND.
ALSO, WE'RE WORKING WITH PARK MAINTENANCE CUZ THEY'RE OUT THERE DOING, DOING ASSESSMENTS AND THEY'RE OUT THERE LOOKING TO MAKE INSPECTIONS.
WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND THAT'LL HELP REFINE THE SCORING CUZ WE CAN SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL HELP WITH PRIORITIZING IN THAT REGARD.
CUZ WE CAN HAVE, OKAY, WELL WE'VE HAD THIS, THESE MANY, EXCUSE ME, THIS MANY ISSUES ON THIS PLAYGROUND.
WE KEEP HAVING TO BUY PARTS FOR.
OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD CANDIDATE.
WHEREAS THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE WHERE, YEAH, IT MAY BE 15 YEARS OLD BUT IT'S, IT'S IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE AND MAYBE, MAYBE JUST NEEDS A LITTLE SPRUCING UP SO THAT WE CAN START ADJUSTING THE PRIORITIES THAT WAY.
WHAT QUESTION YOU, I THINK EVERYONE CLEARLY SAID WE NEED TO HAVE THE NEXT GENERATION OF PLAYGROUNDS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
YOU KNOW, FEW, I HAVE GONE AS BACK AS SIX, EIGHT MONTHS BACK, WHICH HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, RIBBON BEEN CUTTED.
I STILL SEE THE SAME MONKEY BARS AND YOU KNOW, SAME EQUIPMENT.
SO REALLY IS THERE NOT A NEW GENERATION EQUIPMENT OR WE ARE NOT DOING NEW GENERATION BECAUSE MAKE SENSE? WHAT WE WERE TALKING, WE WERE STUCK IN THE, WE WERE STUCK IN THE WEEDS WHEN IT CAME TO INNOVATION IN OUR PLAYGROUNDS.
THAT WAS BEFORE Y'ALL TOOK OVER.
SO THAT'S, WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT GENERATIONS OF PLAYGROUNDS NOW.
UM, BUT CAN I ASK A QUESTION LIKE THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THINGS? MAYBE RENEE CAN ANSWER THIS.
UM, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE HAD ALL OF OUR ABOUT LIKE CAN WE, WE, WE SAW SOMEBODY AT A CONFERENCE THAT ACTUALLY THEY COME OUT AND EVALUATE PLAYGROUNDS.
DID WE EVER HAVE THEM DO THAT AND EVALUATE OUR PLAYGROUNDS? IT HASN'T, UM, BEEN COMPLETED OR WE REALLY, REALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE A CONTRACT AS YET.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON.
WE'RE ALSO, EVEN THIS WEEK WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE, UH, ATTENDING CONFERENCE SO THAT THEY CAN GET CERTIFIED BECAUSE WE'VE LOST SOME OF OUR RETIREES WHO WERE CERTIFIED WHO COULD DO THESE ASSESSMENTS.
SO, BUT WE DO HAVE A CONSISTENT INSPECTION OF ALL OF OUR, OUR PLAYGROUNDS.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AS FAR AS TRYING TO GET THESE ASSESSMENTS COMPLETED, UH, FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE AUDIT OFFICE AS WELL, UH, JUST, UH, CHECKING ON OUR PLAYGROUNDS AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE.
SO I DO THINK THAT WE CAN, UM, PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO THE CAPITAL GROUP, UM, TO LET THEM KNOW AS TO HOW MAINTENANCE STANDS AND YOU KNOW, AS TO UH, HOW WELL WE THINK, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS ARE DOING.
WE ARE HAVING SOME, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURER ISSUES.
I KNOW SOME OF 'EM DEFINITELY HAVE SEEN THAT, UH, WHERE WE COULDN'T GET THE PARTS BACK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT I DID WANNA HEAR YOUR CONVERSATION.
I DID WANNA KIND OF REITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE SAID IN REGARD TO THE IN INNOVATIVENESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OUT IN THE FIELD OF USE OF THESE PLAYGROUND AND IF WE DO NOT CHANGE THE, YOU KNOW, THE MODEL OR THE TYPE OF PLAYGROUNDS, WE'RE NOT JUST GETTING THE, UM, THE YOUTH FROM THE, FROM THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITIES TODAY CUZ THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING INNOVATIVE.
SO WHEN WE GO BY THESE PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE LIKE GARRETT AND YOU KNOW, FLAGPOLE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE PLAYGROUNDS THAT ARE REALLY GETTING A LOT OF USE A RABBIT HOLE.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO REALLY BE CONCENTRATING ON THE TYPE OF PLAYGROUND THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN, IN ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES.
SO CAN WE HAVE ALL OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS EVALUATED? LIKE, DID YOU FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THAT WOULD COST SO THAT IT'S AN OUTSIDE AGENCY THAT EVALUATES 'EM AND IT FITS THE POLITICS OUT OF OUR PLAYGROUNDS AND IT MAKES IT PURELY BASED ON NEED RANKED BY AN OUTSIDE AGENCY.
THAT WAY NOBODY CAN SAY PARKDALE IS THE WORST ONE.
THEY CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, RUDY'S IS THE WORST OR WHOEVER'S IS THE WORST.
THEY RANK 'EM ON SAFETY AND ALL OF THAT.
ALL OF OURS EMPLOYEES ARE UNFORTUNATELY WOUND UP IN THE POLITICAL REAL THAT THEY KNOW IF THEY SAY THAT THEY'RE PLAYGROUND, THIS PLAYGROUND ISN'T, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, IT IT, WE'RE VERY POLITICAL IN THIS CITY AND IF YOU DON'T GET YOUR, YOU KNOW, VOICE HEARD, BUT IF WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE AGENCY THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY ALLE ALLEGIANCE TO THAT, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FAIR AND AT THE END OF THE DAY MAKE IT SAFE FOR ALL KIDS.
I I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR ALL OF US.
WE KNOW OUR, AS JARED SAID, WE ALL KNOW OUR DISTRICTS PRETTY WELL.
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I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE FOR ALL OF US TO GO LOOK AT THE PLAYGROUND WITHIN OUR DISTRICTS AND REALLY TRY TO MAKE AN HONEST ASSESSMENT OF DO WE NEED A NEW PLAYGROUND? NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, I'M IN CONTACT WITH PARK MAINTENANCE STAFF ALMOST EVERY DAY ABOUT STUFF THAT'S IN THE DISTRICT.YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND REALLY LOOK AT IT AND SAY LIKE, CHURCHILL, THAT PLAYGROUND THERE IS NOT GREAT, BUT WE DON'T NEED A NEW PLAYGROUND THERE.
UM, WE DO NEED A PLAYGROUND AT PAGEWOOD, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND SO YOU, WE KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT ON US TO REALLY LOOK AT IT HONESTLY AND SAY, DO YOU NEED A PLAYGROUND HERE? MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED ONE HERE.
AND IF WE ALL DO THAT, THAT WILL HELP THIS EXERCISE GOAL.
UH, THE OTHER THING, AND I I SAY THIS AS AN ADVOCATE OF SOMEBODY WHO SHOULD BE SPENDING MORE ON PLAYGROUNDS, PLAYGROUNDS ARE PROBABLY THE MOST PRIME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO USE SMALL GROUP MATCHING FUNDS BECAUSE IT ONLY COSTS 200 OR $300,000.
SO WE ALL NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT CAN WE GET WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS OR FRIENDS GROUPS IN THE AREA TO MAYBE RAISE SOME MONEY SO THAT IF THE PLAYGROUND DOESN'T GET INCLUDED OR MAYBE JUST IDENTIFY THAT AS A MATCHING PROGRAM INSTEAD.
WE JUST HAVE TO BE CREATIVE HERE.
SO ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, I STILL AM CONFUSED.
ARE WE STAYING THERE? WE ARE INCREASING, WE'VE INCREASING.
HOW MUCH OR SHOULD WE GO TO RECREATION CENTER BACK TO THE LIST? I THINK WE TRIPLE IT AT THIS POINT.
I THINK WE TRIPLE IT AND THEN COME BACK IF WE NEED TO.
UH, I THINK TRIPLE IS TOO BIGGER TO GO THROUGH.
SORRY, I GOTTA GO THROUGH THE REST.
I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT PLAYGROUNDS TO BE THE CAPITAL I, IT'S, I THINK IT'S CONTINGENT ON WHAT WE DO WITH REC CENTERS.
OKAY, SO LET, LET'S, UH, MOVE TO REC CENTER AND WE'LL COME BACK TO WE HAVE NOT MADE A DECISION ON PLAYGROUND.
CHRIS, LET'S, WE ARE GOING TO, LET'S, UH, WE'RE ALREADY OVER FOUR 50.
WITHOUT ANY INCREASED REQUIREMENTS.
OKAY, LET'S GO TO RECREATION CENTER BEFORE WE COME TO RACQUETBALL.
YOU GOT, IT'S A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS HERE.
IS IT MADE IN LIKE, AGAIN, END OF THE LIFE MAINTENANCE, NEW RECREATION CENTERS, WHATEVER IT IS? IT'S, IT'S A COMBINATION.
WHEN WE ORIGINALLY PUT TOGETHER THE ESTIMATE, WE HAD ESTIMATED, UM, EIGHT REC CENTERS BEING REPLACED, 20 MILLION A PIECE.
NOW, WHEN WE FACTORED THIS DOWN, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOW AT A HUNDRED 0.04 MILLION.
SO WE DO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, EIGHT REC CENTERS AT $20 MILLION ANY LONGER.
SO LOOKING AT A LITTLE BIT OF PRIORITIZED LIST, WE HAVE, UM, WE BASICALLY HAD AGE REC CENTERS, UM, LISTED BACK HERE AS POTENTIAL PROJECTS.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT SLIDES 15, SLIDE 15, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT DID COME TO CLOSE TOP THE X ALL BUTLER,
WELL MADE BUTLER'S NOT VERY, THE LOCATIONS WHERE THE NAME OF THE PARK.
SO THERE'S A CURRENTLY A REC CENTER THERE CALLED LARRY JOHNSON.
MIGHT BE, YEAH, WE'RE LISTING BY LOCATION, NOT MY, WE DON'T NEED ANY RECS THERE, THERE CENTER.
SO WASN'T, UM, WHAT HAPPENED TO, UH, THE OTHER ONES THAT WERE ON THE LIST BEFORE THE LIST FROM THE LEFT? BASICALLY WE WERE, WE WERE, AS WE MENTIONED LAST TIME, WE WERE STILL UPDATING SCORING.
WE WERE ADDING, UM, COUNCIL AND PARK PROGRAM FOR PRIORITY SCORES IN THERE.
AND WE WERE ADDING THE EQUITY, NOT THE EQUITY SCORES, EXCUSE ME, THE, UM, AMS SCORES, WHICH WAS PART OF THE EQUITY SCORE IN TERMS OF FACILITIES THAT HADN'T HAD ANY, ANY INVESTMENT IN THEM FOR THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 15 TO 20 YEARS I DID.
SO THAT'S WHY SOME OF THESE SCORES SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, AGAIN, THE, THE SCORING COMPLETELY CHANGED AGAIN, A LOT AS WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE UPDATES.
DO, DO YOU SEE THE, THE, THE PROBLEM WITH GIVING US A LIST OF REC CENTERS BECAUSE I HAD TWO ON THERE BEFORE, NOW I HAVE ONE ON THERE THAT I DON'T EVEN WANT ON THERE.
SO, AND, AND AGAIN, AS WE KEEP TRYING TO TELL YOU, THESE ARE THE RAW SCORING DATA, RIGHT? THIS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING LISTS OUT THERE TELLING
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US THAT WE'RE GONNA DO THIS OR WE SHOULD DO THIS OR WE SHOULD DO THIS, AND THEN WE SEE IT ON THERE AND THEN NOW I DON'T SEE ONE ON THERE AND I WAS COUNTING ON THAT MONEY FOR SOMETHING ELSE.AND I WANNA EMPHASIZE, WE'RE NOT TELLING YOU TO DO THIS OR DO THAT OR WHATEVER.
WE ARE JUST GIVING YOU BROAD DATA FOR YOUR EVALUATION.
SO CHRIS, ON THESE RECREATIONS AND PRETTY MUCH IT'S, UH, EITHER, YOU KNOW, DEMOLISHING, BUILDING NEW OR RENOVATING.
THERE'S NOT A, NOT A PROPOSAL TO PUT ANY NEW RECREATION CENTER AT ALL.
MAYBE FOCUSED TO REPLACE THE RECREATION SIDE.
I THINK THIS IS AGAIN, A, IT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE DAY TO DRILL DOWN INTO EACH REC CENTER BY REC CENTER.
I MEAN, JUST A FIRST GLANCE IT'S LIKE, OH, THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THERE.
EVERYBODY, HARRY STONE JUST GOT ALL KINDS OF STUFF DONE.
SO LIKE, WE'RE NOT GETTING DOWN INTO THE NITTY FRUITY OF THE LIST ITSELF.
I MEAN, DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH PUTTING A LIST LIKE THIS OUT AT WASTE TIME? BUT THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO START SUMMER WITH A, A RANKING SYSTEM AND A PRIORITIZATION SYSTEM BECAUSE THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE ASKED THEM TO GO IN AND, AND DO ALL THAT RATING TO GIVE A PRIORITY.
OBVIOUSLY IT'S GONNA TAKE INPUT FROM EACH DISTRICT PERSON TO LOOK AT THEIR REC CENTERS AND OBVIOUSLY FROM THE MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA.
I, I MEAN I KNOW RIDGEWOODS ON HERE AND WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT RIDGEWOOD.
DO YOU TEAR IT DOWN AND START OVER? DOES IT JUST NEED H V A C WORK? SO WE HAVE, I HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION.
I DON'T BELIEVE MAINTENANCE HAS MADE A DECISION.
SO I THINK IT THAT FOR ME IT'S PHILOSOPHICALLY YOU'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MUCH MONEY, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
REC CENTERS ARE CLEARLY, I MEAN THAT'S WHO WE ARE.
SO LIKE DO, IS THAT, IS THAT AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GET TO THE STUFF WE WE NEED TO DO OR COULD, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL SUCH BIG DOLLARS, YOU COULD TRIM IT BACK BY 2 MILLION AND IT'S SORT OF, IT'S A, IT'S A DROP IN THE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BUCKET, BUT IT IS, IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR FUNCTIONALITY.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THE ELOISE LONDON? I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE THAT IS.
SO THAT'S RIGHT NOW THAT'S NOT THAT.
THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW THAT 100 BILLION CAN DO.
NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT THE LIST WE ARE SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE FINAL.
THEY HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? UNDERSTAND TO GIVE A NUMBER.
YEAH, THAT WASN'T MY QUESTION.
SO HOW DO YOU APPLY 16 MILLION FOR ELOISE LUND WHEN WILLIE MAID BUTLER OR LARRY JOHNSON ONLY GETS 650,000? HOW DID YOU PRIORITIZE ONE THAT JUST GETS A PARTIAL REMODEL VERSUS ONE THAT GETS A 16 MILLION? IS IT NORTH OF 30 VERSUS SOUTH OF 30? IT IS PURELY BY THE TECHNICAL SCORING CRITERIA.
THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WAS THE AMOUNT REENTERED BASED ON SCOPE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THE DESCRIPTIONS.
SO, AND I THINK THE OTHER PIECE TO POINT OUT IN PARTICULAR FOR ELOISE LENDING AS A COUNCIL PRIORITY IS THAT THAT RECREATION FACILITY WE EXPANDED, SO OUR TWO, OUR TWO REC CENTERS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN MY DISTRICT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT OUR PRIORITIES DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE LIST BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE NOTED THEM AS A PRIORITY IN THE SCORING, BUT OVERALL IT MAY NOT HAVE MADE THE THRESHOLD BASED ON EVERYTHING.
AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR BY, BY DISCUSSING THESE AMOUNTS, WE ARE NOT APPROVING ANY OF THE LISTS.
THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT THESE RECREATION CENTERS OR EARLIER WHATEVER WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS PLAYGROUND OR THIS GOLF CENTER.
WE ARE TALKING MR.
YEAH, THE CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE WITH REC CENTERS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLAYGROUNDS, AND I KNOW I WANT TO LOOK AT THESE TOGETHER.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLAYGROUNDS, YOU CAN IMPACT A LOT MORE PARKS, A LOT MORE FACILITIES, A LOT MORE PEOPLE I THINK WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS, BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LESS EXPENSIVE.
THE RECREATION CENTERS ARE SO EXPENSIVE THAT YOU'RE REALLY SPENDING, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS ON JUST FOUR FACILITIES.
AND THERE'S OTHER FACILITIES AS WELL TOO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ADVOCATING, I DON'T HAVE, THERE'D BE 11 IN HERE, SO I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANYTHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I JUST, I THINK IT'S CHALLENGING THAT YOU'VE GOT A HUNDRED MILLION, THIS IS, THIS IS UH, 25% ALMOST OF OUR BUDGET.
UM, THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE QUITE THE IMPACT AS YOU CAN ON PLAY FOR EXAMPLE.
SO I, AGAIN, I WANNA FUND EVERYTHING IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, JR'S ALWAYS SAYING WHERE DO WE CUT THIS IS, THIS IS ONE PLACE WHERE I THINK YOU COULD CUT ON AND YOU KNOW, THE PRIORITY LIST, YOU KNOW, I DRAW HILLS IS NOT
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HERE.BUT AGAIN, THAT'S A DISCUSSION.
WE DO IT LATER THAT WHERE DID THEY FALL? AND THE SCORING CRITERIA ANYWAY.
STEVE PO SORRY, SCORE
IF WE HAVE ALSO HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'VE BEEN AT MEETINGS OR THINGS LIKE THAT AND HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THEY GOT AN ADDITIONAL 10 POINTS.
SO HAVE YOU SEEN THE SCORING? HAVE YOU SEEN THAT SCORING CRITERIA THING THAT THEY DID? YEAH, I JUST FORGOT HOW IT GETS EXACTLY THE 15 VERSUS 25.
UM, BUT, BUT I MEAN TO DANIEL'S POINT, LIKE I'M NOT GOING, I I UNDERSTAND DECIDING THE SPECIFIC REC CENTERS LATER, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE COMFORTABLE CUTTING WHEN LIKE BEFORE ELIA, WOULD THAT BE IN THIS CATEGORY? THE REC CENTER CATEGORY? PERFECT.
BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS ON THAT LIST LAST TIME.
THAT'S PARK SITE DEVELOPMENT OR THE FOREST ON DELIA PROJECT? IT WAS ON, ON THE LAST BRIEF.
I THOUGHT IT WAS ON THE REC CENTER.
IT WAS ON THE REC, I MEAN I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
IT'S ON, IT WAS NUMBER 11 ON THE REC CENTER PAGE AT THE LAST BRIEFING.
AND NOW IT'S NOT ON THE LIST AT ALL.
IT APPEARS IT'S ACTUALLY SHOWING IN THE MASTER PLAN CATEGORY RIGHT NOW, SCOTT.
BUT THE, UM, COST ESTIMATE IN THE SPREADSHEET YOU SENT EARLIER THIS WEEK WAS LIKE 20 MILLION I THINK.
AND THE MASTER PLAN CATEGORY TOTAL IS WHAT? WELL THAT WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED IS THIS TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN DONE OR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MASTER PLAN IS TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO I'M JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING WHERE FORRESTER DELIA IS NOW, WHICH, SO, SO WHERE I SIT NOW, I APOLOGIZE.
WE WERE HAVING A LITTLE, A LITTLE CONCURRENT OVER HERE, A LITTLE CAUCUS.
UM, SO AS I SAID IT, IT APPEARS IT'S IN THE MASTER PLAN CATEGORY RIGHT NOW.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CLEAN UP AND GET MOVED TO THE CORRECT CATEGORIES.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE NEED YOUR INPUT IN, IN HELPING TO SCRUB THIS, THESE INVENTORY DATA.
WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED YOU TO HELP TELL US, HEY, THIS IS MISSING, THIS ISN'T SHOWING UP.
WHERE, WHERE WE, WHERE I THINK IT SHOULD BE OKAY, BUT IT MOVED FROM ONE CATEGORY TO ANOTHER SINCE THE LAST BRIEFING, RIGHT? MINE FELL OFF.
I MEAN THAT'S WHAT I'M, I SEE WHAT DANIEL'S SAYING.
IT'S A BIG TARGET IF WE'RE, IF THE LISTS ARE CHANGING SO DRAMATICALLY AND THEY'RE SOMETIMES CHANGING CATEGORIES, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING.
I I, SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS LATER, BUT I'M NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTING ANY KIND OF CHANGE IN THE AMOUNT IF IT ALL OF A SUDDEN IS OFF THE LIST WHEN IT WAS ON ONE OF THE HIGHLY RANKED AND IT'S THE HIGHEST RATED PROJECT OF ALL IN DISTRICT 10 WITH A HIGHER, WITH A HIGHER SCORE THAN ANY ON THIS LIST.
SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE
WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I, I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES IT'S A PRIORITY.
YEAH, AND IT, IT SCORED 67 SO IT'S NOT ON LIST ANYMORE.
PRIORITY IS NOT WHAT IT IS HERE.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO ASK IS A GOOD IDEA OR BAD IDEA HOW EVEN WORKS, BUT, BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT REC CENTERS ARE SUCH A BEHEMOTH IN THIS PACKAGE.
AND, AND I WONDER, I WONDER, I MEAN DOES IT NEED TO BE ITS OWN PROPOSITION LIKE FAIR PARK, WAS IT IN 2017? IS THAT A GOOD, BAD, TERRIBLE IDEA? UM, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS WITH PROPOSITIONS.
THAT WAS A VERY TECHNICAL TEXT, UH, PROPOSITION.
SO THAT THAT'S ONCE IN A LIFETIME FOR, WITH SOMEONE LIKE THEI IDENTIFI, IT WAS A VERY COMPLICATED TAX BILL.
NOT ASSOCIATED THE LAST BOND THEY DID.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S, OH WELL YOU MEAN TO SAY LIKE 2017 NOT BRI OR 2017? YEAH, 2017 ALL UH, JR.
AND THEN I'LL COME TO MR THANK YOU SIR.
I THINK THIS NUMBER'S NOT ENOUGH.
I THINK OUR REC CENTER SHOULD GO OUT, VISIT ALMOST EVERY REC CENTER EXCEPT FOR, UH, SINGING HILLS AND, AND,
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UH, WILL, WILL IT BE RIGHT? UH, THEY'RE IN EXCELLENT CONDITION CAUSE THEY JUST OPENED UP RECENTLY ONE OR TWO YEARS AGO.BUT OUR REC CENTERS REALLY NEED SOME LOVE AND THIS IS NOT ENOUGH.
I THINK WE SHOULD BE AT 25, 30% HONESTLY AND MAYBE CUT OUT SOME OF THESE MULTI CHAIR PROJECTS AND OTHER THINGS.
BECAUSE IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WE'RE GONNA BE, IT DOESN'T MATTER NEXT SEVEN YEARS, IT MIGHT BE NEXT YEAR.
SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS START FALLING, FALLING AND OFF.
THEY NEED TO LOVE, LIKE, NO, OF COURSE ONE OF MINE, MARTIN, WE GETS FLOODED EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S A BIG FLOOD IN FRONT OF IT RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE OUT THERE PUSHING THE WATER OUT THE FRONT DOOR.
IT, IT JUST, TONS OF STUFF IS WRONG WITH IT.
BUT HE'S PARKED ONE OF OUR BIGGEST JEWELS OF THE CITY AND THEY'RE BUILDING, I THINK WAS BUILDING THE 1970S OR SIXTIES AND YEAH, LIKE IT'S, IT SHOWS IT'S AGE REAL FAST AND, AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BASICALLY BE REPLACED.
I THINK THAT THING NEEDS TO BE HONESTLY TORN DOWN AND REBUILT AT A, AT, AT A NICE BETTER LIKE, LIKE A WILLIE B. JOHNSON OR UH, UH, SINGING HILL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND SEE IN OUR CITY CUZ THEY'RE ALREADY, THEY'RE ALREADY AT KEITH PARK AND, AND THE BUILDING'S JUST IN TERRIBLE SHAPE.
SO I THINK THIS NUMBER NEEDS TO BE A LOT HIGHER THAN IT IS 25, 30.
I KNOW MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY IS, BUT WE GOTTA GIVE UP SOMETHING TO GET TO THEIR, TO THE REC CENTER.
PERCENTAGES WITHOUT DECREASING PERCENTAGES SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THAT'S ONCE, SAY, WE GOTTA GIVE SOME, WE GOTTA GIVE SOMETHING UP.
AND I WAS, WE'RE THREE QUARTERS AWAY AROUND THE CLOCK USUALLY LEAVES ONE QUARTER OF THE CLOCK.
DID
BOTH UH, REC CENTERS AND PLAYGROUNDS BE INCREASED.
SO IN LOOKING AT THE PIE, LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU ADD, UH, REC CENTERS AND PLAYGROUNDS TOGETHER, IT'S LIKE PRETTY MUCH 25%, LET'S SAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, IN ORDER TO JUST KIND OF MOVE, KEEP MOVING AND GET THROUGH EVERYTHING, YOU JUST SAY, WE'LL WE'LL FINISH THE REST OF OUR, OUR BUCKETS HERE, SET THOSE, AND THEN ONCE WE'VE DONE THAT, WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT'S LEFT FOR THE PI FOR REC CENTERS AND UM, PLAYGROUNDS AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
LIKE LET THE COMPRESSION BE IN THAT SEGMENT SINCE IT REPRESENTS THE BIGGEST PORTION OF OUR PIE.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE, CUZ WE'RE ALMOST, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY HAVE A FEW LITTLE SECTIONS LEFT TO GET THROUGH HERE AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR REC CENTERS IS YOUR, YOUR BIGGEST SLICE AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON THE PRIORITIZATION OF THE PROJECTS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S A COMPLETE REDO? WHAT'S JUST SOME WORK.
SO I THINK IF WE JUST SORT OF AGREE TO GET THROUGH THE REST OF 'EM AND THEN WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH SHOULD BE WHAT WE LEAVE FOR THE, FOR THE REC CENTERS AND THE PLAYGROUNDS TOGETHER COMBINED.
BUT, SO, SO YEAH, I THINK WHAT, THANK YOU
I THINK WE SHOULD COMBINE REC CENTER AND PLAYGROUND AS A ONE CATEGORY, THEN HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, HOW WE SPLIT THAT PIE AND IF NEEDED, YOU KNOW, THAT PERCENTAGE THERE IS A HUGE UH, UH, ALLOCATION TO THE RECREATION CENTER AND HOW WE HELP PLAYGROUNDS.
MOST OF THEM, THEY ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
I THINK THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE MAINTENANCE DOES PLAYGROUNDS NOT REALLY COMBINING.
IT'S STILL SEPARATE AND THEN IT'S STILL SEPARATE.
BUT RIGHT NOW FOR THE DOLLARS THEN WE SAY WHATEVER YOU, UH, BUT WE'RE LEFT WITH 24% YOU MIGHT SAY WE'RE GONNA GET, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE 2% AND 22%.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET EVEN MORE CONFUSED IF WE COMBINE SOMETHING AND THEN TRY TO SEPARATE IT LATER.
I THINK WE GOT, SO THINK BECAUSE I THINK THERE'LL BE ONE WHOLE SESSION ON RECREATION CENTERS AND PLAYGROUNDS IT SEEMS LIKE, BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS RECREATION CENTER TO BE TURNED, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE PRIORITY LIST AND ALL THAT.
SO I THINK AT THAT TIME IT'LL GET FRESHED OUT.
SO YOU'D SAY YOU COMBINED, YOU HAVE 26% TO WORK WITH.
THEN YOU GO INTO A SEPARATE SESSION AND GO, OKAY, YOU GOT 26% OF THE TOTAL.
HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA GIVE TO PLAYGROUNDS? HOW MUCH DO YOU WANNA GIVE TO REC CENTERS? AND THEN OBVIOUSLY PRIORITIZE REC CENTERS TAKE 26%, THAT DESERVES ONE WHOLE SESSION TO CORRECT THAT OUT.
AND WHERE DOES THAT SIX PERSON YEAH CUZ THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'RE GONNA GET INTO THE MOST DETAIL.
THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE SCORE WILL COME AND THEN THAT'S THE DAY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE HARD DATA TO KIND OF, AND IT'S REPRESENTATIVE CENTER SHOULD BE SPENDING TIME BUILDING.
WE NOT BUILDING WHATEVER AND WHICH PLAYGROUND WE ARE REPLACING, NOT REPLACING, HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY IN THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO WE'LL GO OUT,
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YOU KNOW, VISIT YOUR REC CENTER AND YOUR PLAYGROUND AND REALLY TRY TO MAKE AN HONEST ASSESSMENT OF WHAT YOU THINK IS NEEDED.THAT, THAT REALLY GIVES A FIRST HINT.
SO MOVING NOW TO RACK, UH, SPORTS COMPLEX.
WE SKIPPED IT TO DO REST CENTER IT.
SO THAT'S THE, THE NEW SO-CALLED SIGNATURE PROJECTS.
SO THIS LEADS ME BACK TO, UM, TENNIS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS.
WAS THERE ALSO SOMEWHERE IN HERE FOR FAIR OAKS SEPARATE OR WAS THAT, IS THAT THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT ADDRESSES RACKET IS THE TENNIS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS SPORTS AND RACKET.
UH, BECAUSE THEY, WITH THIS RACK RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX, WE HAVE, UH, MONEY, THE 15.76 AND UH, WOULD YOU JUST GIVE BRIEF OVERVIEW PLEASE.
SO WHEN THE RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX, WE BASICALLY HAD ESTIMATED THE, I BELIEVE IT THE ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS 30.1 MILLION.
CHECK THAT NUMBER, EXCUSE ME, 30 MILLION FOR THE COMPLEX ITSELF.
AND THAT HAD ORIGINALLY INCLUDED BOTH ACQUISITION OF RIGHT WAY OR BUILDING.
AND THEN THE BUILDING OUT A FACILITY.
IF WE GO AHEAD AND DECIDE TO MOVE TO FRETS, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACQUIRE THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO WE PROBABLY COULD ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO FOR RACK OF SPORTS COMPLEX AT BRETT'S FOR HOPEFULLY THIS 18.76 MILLION.
UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T COST ESTIMATED THAT YET, BUT IT SEEMS REASONABLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO ACQUIRE RIGHT AWAY.
THAT SEEMS LIKE A FAIRLY REASONABLE NUMBER TO DO.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN RIGHT AWAY? PARDON? WHAT DO YOU MEAN ACQUIRE GET THE LAND.
ACQUIRE LAND, LAND ACQUISITION.
LEMME USE THE WORD RIGHT AWAY.
UH, THIS IS, UH, OUR CHANCE TO BE VERY CREATIVE AND INNOVATIVE AND DO SOMETHING THAT WILL REALLY ALLOW US TO COMPETE WITH THE SUBURBAN MUNICIPALITIES.
I AM BEING BOMBARDED WITH REQUESTS FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT WANTING TO HAVE INDOOR TENNIS, RACQUETBALL, PICKLEBALL, SQUASH, PADEL.
ALL OF THESE SPORTS ARE ON THE RISE.
PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY THEM, THEY WANNA PLAY 'EM INDOORS.
AND WE HAVE A REALLY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY NOW HERE TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVE, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK THESE BOND PROGRAMS ARE FOR.
LET'S CHALLENGE OURSELVES TO DO INNOVATIVE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAT WILL BRING THESE INDOOR SPORTS, SPORTS THAT WE DO NOT CURRENTLY OFFER.
WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE RACQUETBALL FACILITY ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
WE DON'T HAVE A SQUASH FACILITY.
WE DON'T HAVE DEL WE DON'T HAVE ANY INDOOR TENNIS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY INDOOR PICKLEBALL.
AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS REALLY NEEDED AND SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY, I I I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT.
UH, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED UP OR DOWN.
I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
BUT I'M NOT GONNA GIVE UP MY REC CENTER FOR NEW FACILITY FOR RACKING SPORTS OR COM OR ANY, ANY INDOOR SPORT.
I'M SOMEBODY WILLING TO GIVE UP ONE OF THE REC CENTERS.
SO I'D LIKE TO BE AT MY LOCATION.
I'M JUST, I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING AS MUCH AS I, I WANT THIS DONE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN PUT IT IN THIS BOND THIS TIME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT A REC CENTER TO GET THIS DONE.
WHY, WHY DO YOU SAY THAT? WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CUT DOWN.
YEAH, WE'RE WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE LIKE CURRENTLY I THINK WE'RE ONLY, ANYBODY ELSE IS FOLLOWING THE MATH.
I THINK WE'RE ONLY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 10 AND 14 MILLION OVER OUR ORIGINAL TWO 50.
SO WE'RE NOT CRAZY CUCKOO OVER BUDGET HERE.
SO NOBODY'S ASKING TO CUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE REC CENTERS.
AND, AND, AND, BUT WE CAN DO MORE REC CENTERS THAN NEED TO BE REPLAY THAN NEED TO BE.
YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD RATHER NOT DO THIS AT ALL AND, AND ADD, I'D RATHER ADD FOUR DELIA IF IT GOT YOU CAN MAKE THE
WE ADD MORE REC CENTERS TO OUR REC CENTER.
OUR LIST I GOT I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS TAKEN AWAY.
I'D HAVE, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT RACK OR THAT RACKETBALL STUFF IN THAT NEW COMPLEX THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD.
AND, AND, AND I'M FOR, I'M FOR IT.
IT'S JUST THAT I, I JUST SEE MORE RIG CENTERS TO BE DONE VERSUS SOMETHING NEW ON AT THIS PARTICULAR DO.
I KNOW WE GOT OTHER NEW THINGS COMING UP, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISION.
I'D RATHER HAVE ALL OF OUR REC CENTERS GET SOMETHING THAN NOTHING.
AND I JUST, THAT, THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT REC.
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I GOT ONE TO MAKE THE LIST DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, BUT I GOT MORE THAT NEED TO MAKE THE LIST ROOF REPAIRS AND YOU, YOU JUST GO ON AND ON AND I KNOW THE LIST CAN GET SO LONG, BUT AT SOME POINT WE'RE ALL GONNA HAVE TO CUT SOMETHING BACK.BUT I'D RATHER DO THAT, USE THOSE 18 MILLION FOR SOMETHING TO DO.
CUZ WE GOT 44, 43 AND I'M PRETTY SURE, CAUSE I ALREADY ONE OF THEM NEEDS SOMETHING.
SO, AND THEN HER MS. CRYSTAL CAN TELL YOU HER LIST.
SO TO YOUR POINT, KIND OF GOES BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.
WE'RE WE'RE HAVING TO BUILD MONEY INTO OUR BOND PROGRAM TO DO MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, THIS IS, WE'RE NOT GETTING NEW REC CENTERS, WE'RE GETTING DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON OUR OLD REC CENTERS, WHICH WE NEED TO FIX IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET.
A COUPLE, WHAT THE BOND IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT IS ABOUT GOING OUT AND CREATING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO AS MUCH AS I, I SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT BECAUSE I SUPPORTED THE SAME ARGUMENT EARLIER FOR THE BRIDGES.
I DO FEEL LIKE WE DO HAVE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THESE NEW THINGS BECAUSE THAT'S, AGAIN, WHEN WE'RE GOING OUT TO THE VOTERS AND SAYING, HEY, GIVE US FOUR 50 MILLION, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT? WE'RE GONNA FIX PLAYGROUNDS.
NO, WE'RE GONNA BUILD NEW AND NEW BEAUTIFUL RACKET CENTER AND WE'RE GONNA BUILD A NEW GOLF COMPLEX OVER HERE AND WE'RE GONNA DO ALL THESE PRETTY SHINY THINGS THAT LOOK AMAZING.
AND I ABSOLUTELY, I THINK IT'S KEY.
I I I WANT, I WANT THE CENTER.
DON'T THINK I DON'T, I KNOW I WANT IT, BUT, OR OPERATING BUDGET'S NOT GONNA GET ANY BIGGER, MAYBE A COUPLE MILLION HERE AND THERE.
RACHEL CAN GO OUT AND, AND MAKE A GOOD FIGHT FOR US.
MR. RACHEL PREPARED, UH, CAN MAKE A GOOD FIGHT FOR US.
WE'LL GET A 3% INCREASE NEXT YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE NEXT STEP.
THAT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH TO KEEP OUR MAINS GOING IN ON BUILDING, ESPECIALLY WITH FACILITY SERVICES BEING THE PERSON THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF HOPE THEY COME AND DO SOME ALONE.
SO LET ME MAKE A PITCH FOR THIS THOUGH, BECAUSE FAR OAKS TENNIS CENTER, SHE DON'T LIKE THAT.
THAT WAS OUR TENNIS CENTER THAT SUPPORTED A CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF, OUR TENNIS CENTERS ARE KIND OF STRATEGICALLY PLACED.
IT'S UNDERWATER MOST OF THE TIME.
WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT AS OPEN AS WE CAN JUST TO HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
WE'VE LOST A TENNIS CENTER IN OUR SYSTEM.
SO WE, I THINK IT'S, WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT AND WE, WE DON'T, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT, WE NEED TO REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING THAT IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT, HOW PEOPLE UTILIZE RACKET SPORTS NOW.
WHICH OBVIOUSLY INDOOR WOULD BE AMAZING.
PICKLEBALL WOULD BE AMAZING, DEL, ALL THE OTHER THINGS.
SO I THINK THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO REPLACE BARROS.
I THINK WE NEED TO REPLACE THE BARROS TENNIS CENTER.
AND I THINK THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A NEW TENNIS OR OUR, UH, PADDLE SPORT PLACE.
I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO WANNA PUT IT AT FRETS BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A TENNIS CENTER THERE.
LET'S NOT RIP DOWN A TENNIS CENTER TO BUILD A NEW PADDLE CENTER.
LIKE LET'S GO REPLACE FAIR OAKS WITH A SOMEPLACE THAT'S NEW THAT IS NOT IN AN EXISTING TENNIS CENTER.
SO I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THIS FACILITY, BUT I WOULD NOT ADVOCATE FOR IT DIFFERENTLY.
BRING THAT IN 10 MILLION TO, CAN I JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING, BRENT, WHEN, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS AND I STARTED GETTING REQUESTS AND HAD THIS IDEA THAT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANT TO DO, FRETS WAS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT CAME UP BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY GRASS THERE WHERE IT COULD BE BUILT.
SO IT WOULDN'T, IF IT WAS AT F FRED'S, WE WOULDN'T BE KNOCKING ANYTHING DOWN, BE BUILT ON THE EXISTING GRASS.
BUT I HAVE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE AT FRED'S.
I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE IT COULD BE FAROS.
IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO PUT IT THERE, GREAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S JUST A NEED THAT WE, WE HAVE TO DO CITYWIDE.
WE NEED TO COMPETE WHERE THE NO, I I IT COULD BE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.
I, FRED SEEMED LIKE A LOGICAL PLACE FOR IT TO BE.
BUT FARHAM WOULD ALSO BE ANOTHER LOGICAL PLACE WE COULD LOOK AT DOING IT.
I MEAN, I THINK IT COULD BE ANYWHERE.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THIS WHERE THE NINTH LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY AND WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE IN YOUR FACILITY FOR ANY RACK OF SPORTS ANYWHERE.
SO FRED WAS LOGICAL, BUT I'M, I, IT DOESN'T MATTER, FRED.
THAT'S ABOUT TO SAY THAT I THINK IF WE BELIEVE IN THIS AS A CONCEPT, WE ARE NOT NARROW DOWN.
NONE OF WHAT WE DOING IS NOT, WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ANY LOCATION, ANY DISTRICT, ANY WHAT IS CITYWIDE, WHAT'S DISTRICTWIDE Z THAT WILL BE ACCEPTED AS A CONCEPT.
I THINK YOU INTRODUCED ME TO THE, THE SCORES ASSOCIATIONS.
AND I THINK, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE, WE HAVE DISCUSSION WITH THEM.
THEY WERE WILLING TO BRING MONEY OR SOME KIND OF A PARTICIPATION.
SO WE'LL INTRODUCED THEM TO RYAN, UM, RYAN, JOSEPH FIRE.
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WAS A, UH, US SQUASH BODIES PRESIDENT JEFF HAD INTRODUCED ME TO, THEY HAD ATED AND I THINK THEY MIGHT BRING SOME KIND OF PARTNERSHIP.JUST WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU TO, SO, UH, UH, SO I THINK WE ARE LEAVING IT AS IT IS LOCATION AND ALL.
WE WILL DISCUSS AS WE GO, UH, SERVICE CENTERS, UH, HOW MUCH WE HAVE AND WHAT IS IT? UH, WE HAVE WHAT, $5
GIVE UP BRIEF OVERVIEW, MA'AM.
AND BASICALLY THAT WAS FOR, UM, SERVICE CENTER MAINTENANCE DISTRICT TWO AND ADMIN BUILDING AND MAINTENANCE DISTRICT ONE.
AND OUR ORIGINAL ESTIMATE ON THAT WAS 8 MILLION.
AND BASICALLY ONCE WE FACTORED IT DOWN, IT CAME DOWN TO 5 MILLION.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOSE TWO FACILITIES? AND REAL QUICK, UH, MS. RENEE, COULD YOU GIMME SOME ASSISTANCE ON EXPLAINING THE TWO MAINTENANCE FACILITIES? SERVICE.
SERVICE, WHAT SERVICE CENTER THEY WANTED? TWO? YEAH.
BASICALLY THE MAINTENANCE DISTRICT TWO FACILITY AND THEN THE ADMIN BUILDING MAINTENANCE DISTRICT ONE, THE DISTRICT TWO SERVICE CENTER.
UH, I THINK WE BE APPROVING, UH, THAT AREA FOR DISTRICT TWO TWO IN, UM, THE HAN CENTER.
IS IT AN EXISTING MAINTENANCE FACILITY? IT'S A PIECE OF LAND.
WHERE'S BOUGHT IN THE LAST BOND PROGRAM FOR THIS DISTRICT? NEW SERVICE.
IS THAT THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN CRAWFORD? DISTRICT TWO IS NOW LOCATED, LOCATED AT CRAWFORD? YES.
AND THEY WILL BE MOVING TO THE HIGH FACILITY.
AND THEN DISTRICT ONE LOCATION IS, UM, WHERE DISTRICT, THE DISTRICT ONE SERVICE CENTER, THEY MOVED OVER TO MUTUAL.
AND SO NOW THE FORESTRY GROUP WILL BE MOVING OVER TO DISTRICT ONE AT THAT SAME LOCATION.
SO THAT IS WHERE, WHERE IS THAT DISTRICT ONE LOCATION? UM, WHERE DAVID SMITH AND THAT GROUP WAS, UM, AT WHITE ROCK LIGHT.
YEAH, I WAS KINDA WORKING AROUND THAT.
DID YOU, OKAY, SO LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS.
YOU GUYS WANT $5 MILLION TO, FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS WE BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY FOR THE, THE, THE DISTRICT MAINTENANCE DISTRICT THAT'S AT CRAWFORD PARK.
WHO BY THE WAY, HAS A MASTER PLAN THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED.
WE BOUGHT PROPERTY TO MOVE THEM INTO SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND THEN WE'VE NEVER HAD THE MONEY TO, TO CHANGE IT INTO A MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, I THINK THERE WAS SOME MONEY THAT WAS ACTUALLY UTILIZED THAT WAS MOVED BY FUTURE.
SO NOW THIS IS TO ALLOW US TO MOVE THE DISTRICT TWO MAINTENANCE BILL FACILITY FROM CRAWFORD PARK TO THIS LAND THAT WE BOUGHT SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT.
AND THAT'S HALF OF THAT MONEY? HALF THE 5 MILLION? IT'S 3 MILLION OF IT, OR TWO? WE DON'T KNOW.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE MONEY IS TO, TO DO SOMETHING TO THE MAINTENANCE YARD AT WHITE ROCK LAKE PARK? YES.
TO TURN IT INTO A FORESTRY SERVICE YARD? YES.
BECAUSE FORESTRY IS, THEY WILL BE, THEY'LL START PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS USING THAT AREA.
AND THIS IS, OKAY, YOU KNOW FORESTRY, YOU HAVE TO MOVE.
AND WE PARK, WE JUST, WE JUST APPROVED SOME VERY EXPENSIVE TEMPORARY TRAILERS TO SIT ON THAT PROPERTY FOR THEM TO OFFICE IN FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
SO YOU'RE USING TEMPORARY FACILITIES RIGHT NOW? WELL, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEM YET, BUT YES, THEY WERE ON THE LAST, UM, BOARD AGENDA AND WE HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL ON THAT.
I THOUGHT YOU HAD 'EM IN, THEY HAD TO REMOVE 'EM AND BRING 'EM BACK.
WE DID HAVE PORTABLE UNITS THERE.
WE HAD, WE NEED TO GO TO THROUGH A PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
UH, THE CORRECT PROCUREMENT PROCESS.
SO I HAD THOSE ALL FACILITIES MOVED AND SO WE HAD TO BID THE PROCESS SIDE AND START ALL OVER BASICALLY.
AND NOW, UM, THAT'S WHAT YOU JUST SEEN AT THE LAST AGENDA, IS THAT COST CHOICE US THAT COST, IT COST US MORE BECAUSE IT DO COST MORE.
THIS IS NOT NETWORK ACHIEVEMENT.
SEE, WE ARE DOING, BUT SEEMS WE HAVE NO CHOICE.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE TEMPORARY TRAILERS OR INVESTING TO THE SCOTT AND THEN THE ADMIN BUILDING.
THERE'S TWO, SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS IN THERE, OR DID YOU JUST COVER BOTH OF THEM? AS FAR AS THE PORTABLE UNITS? I'M SORRY, IS PAUL DYER IN THAT? YES.
UH, DISTRICT ONE, THE SERVICE CENTER, THAT,
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UH, AREA THAT MAINTAINS THAT PARTICULAR AREA OF THE CITY, THEY'VE ALREADY MOVED OVER TO THE PAUL DYER CENTER.BUT THE FUNDING TO FINISH THE HALF FINISHED BUILDING THAT WE'RE MOVING INTO IS IN, IS IN THIS CATEGORY THERE.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY MONEY ANYWHERE TO FINISH THE PAUL DYER BUILDING IN THIS BOX.
NO, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO FINISH OFF THE SECOND FLOOR OF PAUL DYER.
OH, THAT'S NEEDS THE BUILDING ABOUT HOW THE MONEY MOVING TO SERVICE CENTER TO THE DIRE.
NO, I THOUGHT, I MEAN, HOW ARE WE FUNDING, HOW ARE WE PLANNING TO FINISH THE PAUL DI BUILDING? THAT'S THAT.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE WITHOUT A FINISHED SECOND FLOOR IS ME.
IS IT, IS THAT, IS THERE ANY MONEY ANYWHERE IN HERE FOR THE PAUL DYER, UH, SECOND FLOOR HERE, DENNIS? I'M JUST NOT SURE WITHOUT HAVING SOME ASSISTANCE.
WHICH CATEGORY'S IN, BUT IT IS IN HERE SOMEWHERE.
SO IT'S NOT IN THE SERVICE CENTER'S BUCKET CURRENTLY.
I THOUGHT THAT'S BUILDING MONEY'S UNDER IT'S, THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.
UM, I WANT TO GO TO BAT HARDCORE FOR OUR SERVICE STAFF.
UM, BACK IN APRIL, UM, I, I WENT AND GAVE MYSELF A TOUR, UH, OF WHITE ROCK LAKES, UH, SERVICE CENTER.
UM, UM, AND THEN I WENT TO CRAWFORD MEMORIALS.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO GO IN THAT BREAK ROOM.
UH, AT CRAWFORD, THE STAFF THERE, THEY LOST THEIR BREAK ROOM.
IT'S BECOME SOME SORT OF STORAGE FACILITY FOR HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
UH, THEY DON'T HAVE A BREAK ROOM.
UM, LAST WEEK, UH, WE APPROVED, UH, SOME TEMPORARY BUILDINGS.
UM, I MEAN THEY WERE EXPENSIVE.
UH, BUT I RECALL AT LEAST TWO OF US, UM, ON THE RECORD SAID THAT WE NEED TO FIND A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
I THINK THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION IS RIGHT HERE.
IT'S A SERIOUS INVESTMENT, UH, IN OUR SERVICE CENTERS FOR OUR STAFF.
I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, HAPPY STAFF, HAPPY HAPPY PARKS.
UM, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I HOPE WE CAN INCREASE THIS AND, AND MAKE A SERIOUS INVESTMENT FOR OUR SERVICE WORKERS, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY THE HEART AND SOUL OF, UH, OUR PARKS.
THANKFULLY, UH, JR YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THIS TOO CAUSE I KNOW THE, UH, DISTRICT SIX, HER NAME, RIGHT? IT'S OAKLAND DISTRICT SIX.
I JUST KNOW THIS NUMBER ONE DISTRICT.
UM, I KNOW THEIR, THEIR, THEIR FACILITY ALSO NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AT SOME POINT.
CAUSE IT'S STILL SITTING IN THE 1950S.
UH, AND WE NEED TO GET THAT UPDATE.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS INCREASE A LITTLE BIT, MAYBE PUT THAT IN OUR EYES IN FRONT OF US AND GET IT, GET IT REMODELED, RE REPLACED.
SO DEFINITELY INCREASE FOR THE STAFF CUZ THEY GO IN THERE AND IT, IT SMELLS LIKE A 1950 BUILDING WHEN YOU WALK IN THERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SMELL LIKE, UH, YOU DON'T WANNA KNOW.
BUT, UH, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT HAS PAPERWORK IN THERE THAT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
AND YOU JUST GOTTA GET ALL THAT STUFF CLEANED OUT OR MODERNIZED, I SHOULD SAY.
BUT YEAH, DEFINITELY OUR SERVICE CENTER'S TO BE IMPROVED.
ARE WE THERE YET? UH, YOU KNOW, MOST OF MY SPEECH WHEN I'M TALKING TO YOU GUYS AT HOW PRO STAFF I AM, YOU KNOW, COME ON.
DON'T TAKE CARE OF YOUR PEOPLE.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF YOU.
YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND I STYLE MAKES US BOARD LOOKS GOOD.
AND HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, GO OUT THE RESERVATIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU GET OUTTA YOUR CAR, YOU GOTTA HAVE YOUR PISTOL IN YOUR HAND CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SHOOT A RACCOON OR A SNAKE OR SOMETHING.
AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S, THERE'S NO LIMIT ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR OUR STAFF AND FOR OUR PEOPLE HERE AT THE CITY.
SO I'M WITH THIS, I THINK SIT UP, UH, WE NEED TO, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO AT SERVICE CENTER, THOSE PEOPLE ARE REALLY OUR BACKBONE.
THOSE GUYS THAT ARE MOWING AND, AND, AND CLEANING UP PARTS AND PICKING UP TRASH AND DRIVING THOSE TRUCKS.
WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF OUR PEOPLE, YOU KNOW? SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY HESITATION ON THIS FROM GOLF AND YOU, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THAT TOO.
$10 MILLION, YOU WANT A $10 BILLION PRO AT STEVENS OR YOU WANT TWO NEW SERVICE CENTERS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE DYER'S STILL UNDER MOVING TO SCOTT.
DID YOU GUYS, SCOTT, WHERE SIT.
YEAH, THE POLICY DYER BUILDING IS SHOWING UP WITH THE SERVICE SETTLEMENT HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED YET, BUT IT IS THERE FOR THE EMPLOYEE.
IS IT IN THE 5 MILLION OR NOT? NO, NO, WE DON'T KNOW YET BECAUSE THAT, THAT IS LIST STILL BEING IN THE MIDST OF BEING LISTED AND PRIORITIZED
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AND, AND LOOKED THROUGH.SO THAT IS WHERE IT IS, THAT IS THE CATEGORY TO JUST, IT IS A PRIORITY TO FINISH.
IT'S A LITTLE WEIRD THAT WE'RE MOVING INTO A BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN LIKE, WHAT, 20 PLUS YEARS IN THE MAKING AND CRYSTAL AND YOUR TEAM ARE MOVING IN THERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS AND IT'S, THE SECOND FLOOR ISN'T DONE AND THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR IT.
SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE TOTAL, WHAT'S THE TOTAL NEED? ASK FOR FINISH THAT PROJECT? NO, FOR YOUR SERVICE SERVICE CENTERS.
WHAT'S 5 MILLION? NO, BUT WHAT, WHAT WAS IT BEFORE YOU CUT IT BACK? LIKE BETWEEN 8 MILLION AT THAT POINT.
AND WAS THAT ALSO FOR PAUL DYER OR NO, IT, AS I SAID, WE PUT TOGETHER THE PRELIMINARY LISTS BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME AND WE HAD THE TWO SERVICE CENTERS IN THERE.
NOW AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PRIORITIZATION LISTS, ALL THE DYER IS FLOATING TO THE TOP.
SO PAUL, THE DYER WAS ESTIMATED TO BE A MILLION AND A HALF BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY HERE.
SO AS IT'S FLOATING TO THE TOP, SOME OTHER THINGS MAY FALL OFF.
SO GIVE ONE I THINK WHERE THE ASK IS, YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE, I THINK WE KEEP AT 5 MILLION.
I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP IT, UNLESS WE'RE WILLING TO GO BACKWARDS AND FIND SOMEPLACE THAT YOU WANNA GIVE UP MONEY.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO GIVE YOU MORE TOO, BUT WHAT AM I GONNA TAKE IT OUT OF? I THINK WE KEEP AT 5 MILLION AND, UH, UNTIL THE TIME, I THINK UNTIL UNLESS, UH, 3 MILLION FROM THE CEDAR CHRIS PAVILION, I'M WILLING TO DO THAT TO SPECIALTY PARK.
JUST TWO PREPARED THANK YOU GUYS.
SO BASICALLY THAT HAS BEEN REDUCED DOWN TO 3.13 MILLION AND WE KNOW WE HAVE A SKATE PARK THAT'S BEING REQUESTED IN D ONE.
UM, AT THE MOMENT, HOW MUCH, WHICH IS THAT REQUEST CHAIR? $800,000 TOTAL.
UM, WE KNOW WE HAVE SOME DOG PARKS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED TO PUT IN.
I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AT SAMUEL PARK.
SO THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAD ON THAT WAS 5 MILLION.
WHEN IT GOT REDUCED, IT WENT DOWN TO 3.13 MILLION.
SO TYPICAL COST ON A DOG PARK THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING HAS BEEN ABOUT 350,000.
SO WE COULD DEFINITELY DO A COUPLE DOG PARKS, YOU KNOW, THERE WE'VE GOT THE SKATE PARK.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE REMAINDER FOR SAMUEL FARM.
WAS THAT LEAVE FOR SAMUEL FARM? PARDON? WHAT IS THAT LIE FOR? SEMI FARM ROUGHLY? DEPENDS ON HOW MANY, UH, DOG PARKS WE DECIDE TO DO.
WE DO SEVEN THAT WOULD BE 700,000, 1.5 MILLION AND LEAVE ONE POINT, ESSENTIALLY 1.5 MILLION FOR SAMUEL FARM.
I'LL READ A TEXT FROM MR. DICKEY.
HE LOST THE SIGNAL SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS, HE SAYS, UH, ON SPECIALTY PARK, WE, WE ARE GETTING A NEW $400,000 MASTER PLAN FOR SAMPLE FARM THAT SHOULD BE FINISHED VERY SOON.
WHEREAS WE HAVE NO MASTER PLAN FOR SKATE PARKS AND DOG PARKS.
PLUS WE HAVE AMAZING TEAM AND LISA MCCLENDON'S OUTDOOR ADVENTURE.
SO WE SHOULD TAKE A CRUISER LOOK AT THIS AND ASKING, IS THAT IN ENOUGH OR WE NEED MORE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THAT WAS MR. DICKEY'S COMMENT.
I THINK THIS FIGURE IS REASONABLE.
I I KNOW, I THINK THAT FIGURE IS STABLE AND IT TAKES CARE OF SOME SKATE PARTS AND SPECIALTY PARTS AND WITH THE, YOU KNOW, DO MASTER PLAN COMING AND THINK OF COURSE THAT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS AT ALL AND WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE.
UM, THE QUICK QUESTION ON THE, UM, ON THE, UH, THE NUMBER THAT WAS JUST THROWN OUT ON THE DOG PARTS THAT IT COST ABOUT $300,000 TO DO A DOG PARK.
WHERE'S THAT NUMBER COMING FROM? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE GOTTA ACQUIRE LAND TO DO A DOG PARK, LIKE IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN I KNOW THAT THE ONE THAT WE DID UP IN FAR NORTH DALLAS WAS $350,000 OR 300,000 HOWEVER MUCH IT WAS, BUT THAT WAS LAND THAT WE WENT INTO IN I L A WITH THE RICHARDSON SCHOOL DISTRICT.
SO, UM, WHERE'S I, I JUST KIND OF QUESTIONED THAT NUMBER THAT A DOG PARK'S 300,000, UNLESS IT'S LAND WE ALREADY OCCUPY.
AND, AND MANY OF 'EM LANE THAT WE ARE PLANNING AND LOOKING AT ARE ON LAND.
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PARKS THAT WE ALREADY OWN.SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT THAT FIGURE OUT THERE.
I GUESS, UH, I THINK THIS REALLY AS IT IS NOW COMES THE SPRAY GROUND.
CHRIS, ANY OVERVIEW? THE, THE ORIGINAL NUMBER ACCOUNTED FOR, UM, 1.5 MILLION FOR SPRAY GROUND FOR 14 DISTRICTS FOR 21 MILLION.
WHEN IT GOT REDUCED DOWN, WE'RE NOW DOWN TO 13 MILLION.
SO BASICALLY THAT WOULD MEAN THAT NOT EVERY DISTRICT WOULD BE ABLE TO GET A SPRAY GROUND, BUT SOME DISTRICTS HAVE SPRAY GROUNDS.
SO DO WE HAVE A LIST OF, MAYBE I MISSED IT IN HERE, BUT IS THERE A LIST OF THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS FOR THE SPRAY GROUNDS YET? NO, WE JUST BASICALLY HAD ASSUMED ONE FOR DISTRICT.
SO IF WE PRIORITIZE THE DISTRICTS THAT DON'T HAVE ONE ALREADY, WHAT, UM, HOW MANY WOULD THAT GIVE US? LIKE WHERE DO WE HAVE WE HAVE 'EM AT WHICH LOCATION SO FAR? LET'S SEE.
WHERE, WHERE, HOW MANY, HOW MANY SPRAY GROUNDS DO WE CURRENTLY WE HAVE 17.
SO I THINK MAYBE WHAT WE WOULD DO IS WE WOULD SAY WHAT DISTRICTS DO NOT HAVE A SPRAY GROUND YET, OR A PROBLEM AT SPRAY GROUND AND THEN PRIORITIZE THOSE THEN SEE IF THERE'S ANY, THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE TWO, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME DISTRICTS THAT HAVE TWO HAVE TWO WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY.
BUT WHAT DOESN'T HAPPEN? NO, WE'RE NOT.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING WHEN WE DON'T HAVE, LET'S PRIORITIZE.
LIKE DISTRICT 13 DOESN'T HAVE ANY SPRAY GROUNDS, BUT THOSE WOULD, PARTICULARLY IN V VICTORY MEADOW, UM, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS AND PREVIOUS TO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GATES REALLY WANTED AS PART OF THE V VICTORY MEADOW LIBRARY COMPLEX BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF FAMILIES WHO, UM, DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION AND COULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM HAVING AN OPTION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE LIABILITY OF UM, SCHOOLS.
AND SO THAT SPRAY GROUNDS, THAT'S THE MOST DENSE PART OF THE CITY IS THE V VICTORY MEADOW NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO THAT IS A REAL PRIORITY.
BUT I AGREE, I THINK WE COULD LOWER THE AMOUNT PERHAPS TO MR. KUTTNER'S POINT LOOKING AT WHICH, UM, DISTRICTS ALREADY HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW.
UM, BECAUSE LIKE I WOULD SAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY, KB POLK HAS ONE, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY IN DISTRICT TWO, SO DOES GR WEILER, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY IN DISTRICT SIX, BUT A LOT OF DISTRICT 13 RESIDENTS USE EITHER OF THOSE.
SO I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ADVOCATE FOR PUTTING A SECOND ONE IN 13 BECAUSE I'D RATHER PRIORITIZE WHAT PART OF THE CITY'S GOING TO USE IT AND NEED IT THE MOST.
SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF REDUCING THAT NUMBER BASED ON THE, WHERE THOSE EXISTING SPRAY GROUND ARE AND WHERE THE NEED IS.
I PROPOSE TO CUT THIS DOWN TO FIVE MINUTES.
WHAT'S THE ESTIMATE OF MR. POINT FIVE INCH? SO YOU, WELL, I, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHICH DON'T HAVE JUST THEY DON'T HAVE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, I KNOW THE 11 DOESN'T HAVE ONE NOW.
SOME OF THE 11 PEOPLE CAN USE THE CAMP GREEN ONE.
SO MAYBE WE DO ONE ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE 11 SIX.
BE AND LET'S, SO THAT THE NUMBER IT, SINCE YOUR BUDGET IS 1.56 MILLION SO WE CAN PLAN FOR FOUR.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY THINGS THAT ARE LIKE IN THIS BUDGET.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMETHING NEW.
FINALLY FOUND SOMEWHERE SEVEN 8 MILLION.
THAT'S STILL THE SAME PERCENT PROBABLY GOING FROM TWO THREE TO 1.5%.
SO FOR SECURITY LIGHTING, BASICALLY WE HAD 10 MILLION IN THERE AND THAT WAS BASICALLY JUST A, A NUMBER THAT WE HAD CHOSEN BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO TIE INTO THE SYSTEM.
SO ONCE WE FACTORED THAT DOWN, WE'RE NOW DOWN TO 6.25 MILLION ON THAT.
THAT'S SYSTEMWIDE SECURITY LIGHTING CAMERAS.
I WOULD NOT CUT EVEN A DIME HERE, BUT I LEAVE IT FOR CALIBRATION.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM TIM ALMOST
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THINK, UH, WE, WE WOULD LEAVE IT ASMARIA DOESN'T WANT IT, BUT TELL US ABOUT IT.
SO THE TENNIS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, WE ORIGINALLY HAD 10.2 WHEN IT GOT REDUCED, IT CAME DOWN TO 6.38 AND BASICALLY WE HAD ASSUMED WE WERE GONNA APPROVE 12 TENNIS COURTS AT $350,000 EACH.
AND THEN WE HAD ASSUMED 6 MILLION FOR CREDIT PAIRS.
SOUNDS LIKE, PARDON? IS IT NEW TENNIS COURTS OR REFURBISHING? REFURBISHING 12.
CAN YOU, CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT? OF COURSE.
WHERE DID IS THAT AT? I KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO RESURFACE A TENNIS COURT AND IT'S NOT 350,000 AND AND ARE THERE 12 LIKE IN NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS OR IS THAT A, AT A TENNIS CENTER? WE DIDN'T HAVE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS ON IT.
UM, WE WERE JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT NUMBERS AND FIGURING WHAT WE THOUGHT WE COULD DO.
AND THEY, AND THEY MADE BE RECONSTRUCTION ON COURSE ABOUT THE RECONSTRUCTION CENTER.
WELL, I MEAN 12 TENNIS COURTS TO THE TUNE OF, I THOUGHT THERE WAS ALSO MONEY IN THERE FOR LIKE THE ACTUAL TENNIS CENTERS, LIKE THE, THE THE ACTUAL TENNIS CENTER FACILITY BUILDINGS.
AM I WRONG ABOUT THAT OR IS THIS JUST WE DID NOT TENNIS COURTS.
WE WE DID NOT ASSUME THAT IN THE NUMBER WHEN WE WERE CALCULATING IT.
OH, THE GLOVES ARE COMING OFF.
JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT THE $6 MILLION IS.
I JUST, I JUST SAID I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S WELL I CAN TELL YOU AS, AS FAR AS IN THE MAINTENANCE GROUP AS FAR AS OUR OPERATIONS, WHAT WE WANT SPEND ON THE RESURFACING.
SO WE CAN SPEND ANYWHERE FROM LY WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING ABOUT 20,000 TO BE HONEST WITH SOME OF THE RESEARCHING BOARD.
UM, FOR THE ONES WHO HAVE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, RIGHT.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE NEED CAPITAL FUNDING.
SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE ROYAL YEAH.
DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THAT SITE.
WE JUST GOT THE NUMBERS BACK FROM SHIELD, IT'S A HUNDRED, $178,000.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE SITES THAT HAVE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES, THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT NEEDS TO MOVE OVER TO THE CAPITAL CAUSE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT IN MAINTENANCE BUDGET.
OF THIS 6 MILLION, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST 12 LOCATIONS THAT NEED A COMPLETE RIP IT DOWN AND START OVER IN NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS.
AND THERE'S 6 MILLION FOR FAIR OAKS TO DO WHAT AT FAIR OAKS RESEARCH OR SOMETHING? NO, IT NEEDS TO, IT'S GOTTA BE TOTALLY RELOCATED AND MOVED OR REBUILT.
LIKE I'M ALL, LISTEN YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF, OF TENNIS AND, AND OUR TENNIS CENTERS ARE PRETTY JUNKY.
LIKE THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY JUNKY RES IS JUNKIE.
UH, SAMUEL GRAHAM LUCKILY HAS BEEN REDONE.
UM, LB, HOUSTON JUNKIE, KE JUNKIE.
I MEAN TO ME, WE GOTTA TAKE CARE OF OUR TENNIS CENTERS.
LIKE I WOULD THINK THERE WOULD BE MONEY IN THERE FOR SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE IN THOSE, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T SPEND ANOTHER DIME ON FAIR OAKS.
I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE ALL FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS DECIDED WE ABANDONING THAT.
SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THERE'S MONEY IN THERE FOR THIS.
BUT WITH THAT ALSO, THE NUMBERS ARE NOT ADDING UP.
THE EXTREME CASE, UH, RENEE SAID IS $178,000 FOR CHURCHILL.
CHURCHILL YOU SAID $350,000 FOR EACH OF THEM.
SO WE ARE REALLY BUDGETING NEARLY DOUBLE OFF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.
AND NOT EVERYONE IS WORST CASE SCENARIO.
I I THINK WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE OUR LITTLE TENNIS STUCKEY IN A ROW HERE.
SO YOU SAYING TO TAKE FAR OAKS OFF? WELL YEAH, LIKE THERE'S NOTHING TO BE DONE TO FAR OAKS.
CERTAINLY NOT $6 MILLION WORTH OF WORK.
YEAH, I MEAN, AND I WANNA REEMPHASIZE IF I COULD, YEAH, THEN AGAIN THESE WERE THE VERY PRELIMINARY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TO GET NUMBERS TOGETHER.
IT WAS BEFORE WE HAD THE SCORING OF THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
IT WAS BEFORE WE HAD ANY PRIORITIES.
IT WAS REALLY BEFORE WE TALKED WITH ALL OF YOU ABOUT WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES WERE.
SO I APOLOGIZE THAT THERE'S CONFUSION BUT YEAH, I KNOW WE HAD TO HAVE A STARTING PLACE SOMEWHERE.
IF WE TAKE FAIR OAKS OUT, BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE NEEDS LIKE CHURCHILL, IT'S CRACKING THERE ON THE COURTS.
MAYBE WE IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE, ALL OF THOSE SPECIFIC NEEDS ARE AND THEN THAT FORMULATES THE BUCKET OF THE TENNIS IMPROVEMENTS HERE.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT ANY MORE MONEY TOWARDS FAIR OAKS AND THEN THAT, THAT PORTION CAN BE REALLOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE.
BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE DEFINITE MEETINGS GETS YEAH,
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WHICH IS OF COURSE, WELL IT'S A SMALL NUMBER AND YOU TAKE THE FAR OAK PORTION OUT.I CAN, CAN I ASK A QUESTION WE NEED, SORRY.
YOU ADD SOMETHING? WELL, YES, AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THE DISCUSSION ON THE RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX WHERE THAT ENDED UP.
BUT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR JUST DO IT AS IT IS FOR NOW.
WHAT'D YOU SAY? WE ENDED UP LEAVING THAT AS IT IS WITH THE SAME NUMBER, SO GREAT.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST REMOVING FAIR OAKS AND REPLACING IT WITH THE RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA BE SOMEWHAT GEOGRAPHIC DEPENDENT BECAUSE FAIR OAKS SERVES REALLY THE 9, 10, 13 WE GET.
I MEAN WE REALLY GET A LOT OF PLAYERS FROM ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, SO WHAT IF WE JUST SUPPLANT BAR OAKS, IT'S BEEN CLOSED FOR THREE YEARS WITH THE NEW RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX.
THAT WAY WE SAVE 6 MILLION AND THEN WE GET A BETTER FACILITY THAT HAS MORE OF WHAT WE REALLY WANT AND NEED WITH THE NEW INDOOR COMPLEX.
I I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE CALVERT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS IS THE ONLY WAY OUR EXISTING TENNIS CENTERS ARE EVER GONNA HAVE ANY MONEY TO DO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PRO SHOPS, THAT THERE IS SOME MONEY FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
AND IF WE DO TRULY HAVE COURTS THAT ARE COMPLETELY GOING TO BE UNUSABLE AT SOME POINT THAT WE CAN'T COVER IN OUR 20, $30,000 RESURFACING BUDGET THAT WE DO HAVE MONEY FOR THAT.
IT PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE 6 MILLION.
BUT I FEEL LIKE I DON'T WANNA TAKE ALL OF THIS AND PUT IT ALL TO THE NEW TENNIS COMPLEX BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA END UP WITH JUNK JUNKY EXISTING FACILITIES WITH BROKEN COURTS.
BUT THAT PROBABLY DOESN'T, SOME IN THAT BUCKET, BUT NOT AS MUCH.
CAUSE I'D RATHER BE MORE STRATEGIC IN THE LOCATION OF THE NEW RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX.
AND THEN THAT WAY WE'RE NOT BUILDING TWO NEW COMPLEXES BETWEEN FAIR OAKS AND THIS OTHER, WHEREVER THIS GOES, PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN 2 MILLION.
THIS BE AROUND 3 MILLION GIVEN THE NUMBER AND NUMBER OF QUOTES YOU HAVE GIVEN.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER I WOULD SUGGEST TO TAKE THIS DOWN TO AROUND 3,000,001.
THE ONE DISCUSSION THAT, THAT BRIAN JUST CAME AND, AND KIND OF WHISPERED IN MY EAR WAS BASICALLY FOR THE UM, PRO SHOPS AT THE TENNIS CENTERS, EACH ONE OF 'EM PROBABLY NEEDS ABOUT A MILLION DOLLAR WORTH OF WORK TO BRING THEM UP TO SNUFF SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE MONEY.
OR DO WE MAKE MONEY? NOBODY MAKING VERY MUCH MONEY THERE.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT A WE'RE NOT, WE'RE MAKING SOME OF IT.
SO THERE'S A VERY SMALL POPULATION THOUGH.
THERE'S A PRETTY BUSY POPULATION.
I I WAS GONNA SAY KEITH IS ALWAYS PACKED.
WAS PACKED, HAD AS MANY AS PLAYGROUNDS AND WAY MORE THAN PLAY.
I USED TO LIVE AT FAIR OAK, SO DAY BILLY AND LIKE THAT.
SO TENNIS IS JUST AS, AS EXCITING AS GOLF.
IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT SPORT YOU IN AND UH, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SCHOLARSHIPS FOR MINORITY KIDS IN THE, IN THE TENNIS, UH, I FIELD, WHICH YOU COULD SEE, UH, VEN AND SERENA TWO WOMEN.
I USED TO BE MARRIED TO, YOU KNOW,
BUT I, I'M, I'M A BIG ADVOCATE FOR TENNIS LIKE I AM FOR GOLF AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T PLAY TENNIS CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET AROUND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SO BUSY.
I DON'T CALL ANY NAMES LIKE AROUND AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
BUT, UH, WE NEED TO GET BEHIND THIS.
SO IT SHIFT KEITH ELBY, HOUSTON AND FRES THAT NEED PRO SHOP UPGRADES BECAUSE SAMUEL GRANT ALREADY HAD THEIRS AND FAROS DOESN'T EXIST.
FIRMS. SO THAT'S THREE IS FEBS GONE AS, AS FAR AS WE KNOW OF IT'S, THEY'VE DONE WHATEVER THEY CAN DO TO THAT PRO SHOP TO MAKE IT FUNCTIONING.
IT DOESN'T NEED ANY MORE MONEY.
WE PORTABLE BUILDINGS THAT WE JUST GOING MONEY FOR MILLIONS PROBABLY STILL THREE.
YOU KNOW, GIVEN IF IT'S SAYING A MILLION DOLLAR PRO SHOP AND YOU COUNTED THREE, I THINK AT THE MOST WE GO TO FOUR, HOW MANY YEARS IS IT GONNA TAKE US TO RECOUP OUR MONEY ON IT? THAT, THAT'S ANOTHER QUESTION I THINK WITH WHEN WE DO THIS RYAN IMPORTANT THING IS WE RENEGOTIATE OUR CONTRACTS WITH PRO SHOP.
WE ARE BUILDING, YOU KNOW,
I THINK WE NEED TO GET GOOD 20, 30% SHARE OF REVENUES.
CAUSE ON AN AVERAGE A RETAIL MAKES 55, 60%.
HAVE YOU BEEN TO OUR TENNIS PRO SHOPS? NO.
WELL, ONCE WE REFURB IT, ONCE WE REFURBISH, WE ARE GOING TO NO, ONCE WE ARE GOING TO PUT A MILLION DOLLARS IN IT.
ONE IN RETAIL, I KNOW RETAIL ON AN AVERAGE PEOPLE WORK ON 50% MARGIN.
SO IF THEY'RE GOING TO WORK ON 50% MARGIN, WE GIVE THEM INFRASTRUCTURE THEY NEED TO GIVE US 20, 25%, NOT 5%.
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SORRY, I DON'T DISAGREE.SO, SO IF WE DO IT, I THINK WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO PUT THAT CONTROL AND CAVEAT TO RENEGOTIATE WITH PRO SHOPS BEFORE WE GIVE EVEN A TIME TO THOSE PRO SHOPS.
SO WE, SO WHERE DO WE END UP? WE END UP 4 MILLION, GIVE 3 MILLION AND MILLION DOLLARS AND EXTRA COURSE.
UM, TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS, 12.5, ONE 12 AND A HALF MILLION.
DOES FIVE MILE CREEK COME IN THIS? NO.
PARDON? UH, THE FIVE MILE CREEK IN THE FIVE MILE CREEK IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER UNLESS, UH, TELL US FIVE YOU SAID YET, DIDN'T YOU SAY YET? IT'S IN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY, BUT BASED ON THE SCORING DIDN'T MAKE IT, BUT IT'S A PRIORITY OF THE MERIT.
YES, WE, WE KNOW SO WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT.
I THINK I JUST WANT WATERS IN TRAIL.
AND, AND, AND FIVE MILE CREEK IS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN OUR LARGE PART FOR MATCH.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT SHOWING IN THE TRAIL IMPROVE.
WATERS IN THIS 5 MILLION MA'AM, OR 12 MILLION? I'VE BEEN WAITING FIVE AND A HALF HOURS FOR THIS SECTION.
SO
UM, THIS COUNTS FOR LIKE OUR LARGE TRAIL PROJECTS, LOOP TRAILS OR YOUR LARGE PREMIER TRAILS THAT MAYBE IMPROVEMENTS OUT OF WHITE ROCK.
UH, YOU JUST REBUILD A SECTION OF TRAIL ON THE EAST SIDE.
THAT'S THE KIND OF LEVEL IT DOESN'T USUALLY GET INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK TRAILS OR SMALL TRAILS.
THOSE KIND OF GO UNDER YOUR SITE DEVELOPMENTS CUZ THEY'RE A LESSER DOLLAR AMOUNT.
UM, THAT'D SAY THEY COULDN'T BE INCLUDED IN THAT.
BUT THIS IS USUALLY YOUR BIG CITYWIDE MULTI-DISTRICT TYPE TRIPS.
SO WHAT ARE THE TOP THREE? UH, SO WHAT'S LEFT? WE ONLY HAVE ABOUT 89 MILES LEFT TO BUILD OUT OF OVER 300.
SO WE'RE DOING, UM, FIVE MILES PROBABLY TOP OF THE LIST.
UH, YOU'VE GOT EVERYTHING IN THE ELM FORK FROM THE CONFLUENCE NORTH TO CARROLLTON FARMER'S BRANCH, ALL ON THE ELM FORK ALONG IRVING.
UH, YOU'VE GOT THE BURG TRAIL FROM CRAWFORD PARK DOWN TO SEVILLE.
UM, KATIE SPUR OVER BY YOU AND DISTRICT NINE.
THAT LITTLE PIECE THAT HEADS OFF FROM LAKEWOOD PARK TO CONNECT UP BY ABRAMS AND THE DARK LINE, UH, WILLIAMSON.
UM, DIXON BRANCH HAS TRAILS PROPOSED IN THAT HEAD OFF TO THE NORTHEAST FROM THE LAKE.
UM, THERE'S OTHERS THAT ARE PROPOSED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DALLAS COUNTY AND RICHARDSON.
SO IT'S THE, UH, THE CENTRAL, THEY CHANGED THE NAME OF IT.
IT'S THE TRAIL THAT WOULD RUN FROM THE FOURTH LANE DART STATION OVER BY THE TI CAMPUS HEADING TO ALONG TI BOULEVARD UP IN RICHARDSON.
SO WE HAD TIE INTO THEIR TRAIL FROM THE COTTONWOOD CREEK TRAIL AT FOREST LANE GUARD STATION NORTHEAST INTO RICHARDSON AT BUCKINGHAM.
UM, COTTON BELT IS ON THE WAY.
THAT ONE IS KIND OF A LOT OF MOVING PARTS WITH THAT ONE.
IT'S, IT'S, IT SHOULD BE FUNDED COMPLETELY, BUT UH, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG ONES THAT ARE LEFT.
SO ASSUMING WE CONNECT ON THIS, HOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE LONGEST CONTIGUOUS PART OF OUR TRAIL SYSTEM? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF THAT? WHAT WOULD BE THE, HOW LONG WOULD BE OUR LONGEST TRAIL SYSTEM THEN? OH GOSH.
UM, I MEAN TECHNICALLY, WHICH CONNECTS TO OTHER CITIES ALSO.
I MEAN, YOU COULD START IN PLANO, I'M SORRY, IN, IN, IN DISTRICT 12 AT PRESTON RIDGE AND HILLCREST AND GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER, BUT YOU COULD GET NORTH OF DALLAS ALL THE WAY TO SOUTH SOUTHEAST.
LIKE IF YOU RODE ALL THE WAY TO SEAVILLE, YOU COULD HAVE A CONNECTION ALL THE WAY.
JUST, UM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A, A, A, A DRAMATIC REDUCTION FROM 2017 TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS TO 2024 TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.
IS THAT, IS THAT TRUE OR FALSE? DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS FOR 2017? WAS IT LIKE 40 OR 50 MILLION? 45.
AND, AND, AND, AND SO I, I DON'T KNOW HOW HOW WE CAN EXPLAIN THAT.
AND ON TOP OF THAT, I MEAN IT'S UNFORTUNATE WE SEE NOTHING IN HERE FOR OUR SANTA FE TRAIL WHO JUST GOT A, A MASTER PLAN UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED LAST YEAR.
UH, I UNDERSTAND WE CAN ADD SOME PRIORITY THROUGH PARK BOARD OR COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THAT TRAIL RUNS THROUGH FOUR DISTRICTS AND, UH, I I DON'T SEE IT ANYWHERE IN HERE.
I JUST, I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT WE COULD DO FOR IT.
UM, YOU OBVIOUSLY, NO TRAILS ARE A HIGH PRIORITY FOR ME, SO WHATEVER WE CAN PUT TOWARDS IT IS APPRECIATED.
BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE PRIMARILY IMPROVEMENT INSTEAD OF NEW TRAILS OR IS THERE SOME YEAH, THE WAY THAT, THAT, THE WAY THE
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SCORING WORKED, AGAIN, I'M JUST RUNNING THE NUMBERS.WELL ALSO THIS ONE WAS A LITTLE TRICKY.
BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, SO HAD TO MAKE, OKAY SLIDE 23.
SO YOU CAN SEE POINTER WAS THE TOP OF THE LIST WITH THE WALKING TRAIL FOLLOWED BY WILL WINTERS.
UM, BUT THEN YOU HIT THE MOUNTAIN CREEK TRAIL IN SOUTHWEST DALLAS AT 15 MILLION.
WE BLOCK, WE, WE GRADE IT OUT BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS THAT WE JUMPED THE NEXT ONE BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE THE ISSUE OF ALONG GARLAND ROAD AT WHITE ROCK LAKE, UM, WHICH WE PUT IN AN ESTIMATE OF 10 MILLION TO FIX THE EROSION AND REBUILDING THE TRAIL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE LAKE.
SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S A MAJOR PRIORITY FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
UM, SO AGAIN, BASED ON THE SCORING AND BASED ON THE NUMBERS WE HAD TO WORK WITH THIS, THIS IS WHAT FELL OUT.
I, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, THAT SOME OF THESE TRAILS WILL DEVELOP FRIENDS GROUPS AND CAN WORK ON FUNDRAISING.
DALLAS TRAILS COALITION WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN THAT.
BUT WE HAVE SO MANY TRAIL NEEDS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO FUND ALL OF THEM.
AND THE OTHER THING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS HOW DO WE GET COUNTY MONEY ON THESE TRAIL PROJECTS? AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION FOR TODAY, BUT WE'VE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN THE PAST OF DOING THAT AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE THOSE OPTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW WE CAN'T FUND ALL OF THE TRAIL LEADS.
NO, I THINK THIS, I WOULD NOT CUT YOU ON A TIME FROM THE TRAILS AND WE ALREADY ARE.
UM, I I, YOU KNOW, I, AND I KNOW, I KNOW THESE SCORING IS, IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THE SCORING WITH THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT THE TIMBERLAND PROPOSED EXTENSION CONNECTS THREE COUNTIES.
UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD CONNECT, I KNOW WE'VE NOT TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIDDLES AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE, THE STAFF A LOT ABOUT.
IT WOULD CONNECT DENTON, COLLIN AND DALLAS COUNTY, UM, OVER TO THE PRESS RIDGE TRAIL, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE SECOND PIECE THERE WAS, THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE THAT WITH OUR CURRENT TRAIL SYSTEM, YOU COULD GO FROM DISTRICT 12 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT WAS SAID, BUT I WANNA PUT A LITTLE ASTERISK THERE BECAUSE THE PRESTON RIDGE TRAIL DOES NOT CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN.
UM, AND KITNER, THIS HAPPENS IN KITNER DISTRICT.
UM, THE PRESTON RIDGE TRAIL RUNS OUT AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO CONNECT THE PRESTON RIDGE TRAIL TO THE NORTH HAVEN TRAIL SO THAT YOU CAN GET FROM PRESTON, YOU KNOW, FROM GEORGE BUSH ALL THE WAY DOWN TO TO, TO WHITE ROCK.
AND YOU MEANT PROBABLY PRESTON RIDGE TO UH, BAT TO VALLEYVIEW PARK AND WHITE ROCK TO VALLEYVIEW PARK.
YOUR PROJECT WOULD BE EXTREMELY AMBITIOUS, WHICH I WOULD SUPPORT, BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT.
AND THEN, AND LANE I ON TIMBER GLEN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT LET'S LOOK AT GETTING DENTON COUNTY AND COLLIN COUNTY.
NO, YEAH, WE, WE, SO THE, THE 20 MILLION I THINK IS A LITTLE AMBITIOUS CUZ I THINK THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE COST.
I THINK THE, THE COST IS ACTUALLY A, THE TOTAL COST IS SOMETHING LIKE 35 MILLION AND IT, AND IT STRETCHES LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT PHASES THAT WOULD GO ON A DECADE.
SO I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE MISLEADING HERE.
UM, BUT YES, I, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.
THIS PRETTY MUCH IS, YOU KNOW, CONNECTING LOTS OF THOSE DOTS TO GIVE US THOSE EXTENSIONS, WHICH GROUP IS MISSING.
SO GIVES US A GREAT EXTENSION.
SO, OKAY, SO WITH THAT ON THE TRAILS, WE ARE LEAVING, UH, UH, AS IT IS, UH, CHRIS RIGHT NOW.
NEXT QUESTION IS, OH WOW, WE WENT THROUGH THE LIST.
UM, THE MAJOR QUESTION IS, UH, CITYWIDE AND DISTRICT WISE, RIGHT? IS THAT'S WHAT YEAH, BA BASICALLY WE STILL HAVE PLAYGROUNDS, RECREATION CENTERS, WE HAVE TO FINISH AND THEN WE NEED TO DETERMINE THE PARK SITE DEVELOPMENT NUMBER, WHICH WILL ACTUALLY KIND OF FALL OUT ONCE WE DETERMINE PLAYGROUNDS AND RECREATION CENTERS.
SO NOTHING MORE TO DISCUSS TODAY THEN.
PARDON? ANYTHING MORE TO DISCUSS? WELL, DO WE WANNA CIRCLE BACK AND FINISH OUR REC CENTER? THE PLAYGROUND SPLIT? NO, I THOUGHT THAT WHEN WE DISCUSS, UH, THE PROJECT AT THAT POINT OF TIME, WE'LL DISCUSS THE SPLIT WHEN WE START DISCUSSING WHICH RECREATION CENTERS AND ALL.
WAS I SORRY TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, BUT CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN SPECIFICALLY WHAT PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT ACTUALLY IS? UM, PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT ARE BASICALLY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS WITHIN YOUR DISTRICT.
SO OH, SO THIS WILL BE LIKE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS? YEAH, DISCRETIONARY FUNDS.
DISCRETIONARY FUNDS GIVEN TO OUR COUNCIL PERSON OUR DISCRETIONARY FUNDS, WE MAKE THE DECISION THAT OUR CONSTITUENTS FOR
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OUR PRIORITIES IN OUR DISTRICT.I'M SORRY I HAD TO, UH, TAKE A QUICK WORK CALL, BUT, UM, I, I AGREE WITH MR. KAMI THAT I REALLY WOULD, THE FRIENDS OF SANTA FE TRAIL HAVE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB ON THEIR MASTER PLAN AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DOLLARS GO INTO TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.
I MEAN, I KNOW A LOT WAS FUNDED IN THE LAST IN WITHIN 2017.
A LOT OF FROM THE LOOP WAS COMING ON BOARD, BUT THERE ARE, WE, WE NEED TO BE GOOD PARTNERS TO OUR FRIENDS GROUPS AND THEY'RE BRINGING MATCH FUNDING TO THE TABLE.
I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE, EVEN IF IT'S JUST A MILLION MORE FOR TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS, PEOPLE REALLY KNOW AND LOVE TRAILS NOW MORE THAN THEY DID SEVEN YEARS AGO.
AND I THINK WE'VE PROVEN THAT SUCCESS.
AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST KEEP BUILDING ON THAT MOMENTUM.
SO I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR MAYBE ONE MORE MILLION OR SO ON TRAILS.
I THINK TRAILS IS, THEY'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, QUANTUM RETURNS TO US AND THEIR BUILDING.
SO 12.51, I THINK I WOULD TAKE IT TO 13.5 IF EVERYBODY AGREES.
I'M JUST CONCERNED CUZ WE, WE KEEP ADDING THINGS TO THINGS AND UH, LET'S SEE WHERE WE HAVE COME.
HAS SOMEBODY KEPT THE CALI OF WHERE WE ARE? IF WE, IF WE KEEP THE SAME NUMBERS WITH, WITH PLAYGROUNDS AND RECREATION, JUST SAME EXACT NUMBER.
WE'LL BE LIKE ABOUT 110 FOR 10.
SO IF WE, WE'VE NOT FILLED IN A NUMBER FOR PLAYGROUNDS, RECREATION CENTERS AND APARTMENT, WE, WE COMBINED THEM TOGETHER? NO, NO, SHE'S JUST GIVING YOU THE, THE THE ADD UP IF YOU TAKE OH, OKAY.
SO IF WE KEPT PLAYGROUNDS AND RECREATION CENTERS AS THEY WERE PLAYGROUNDS AT 6.570 RECREATION CENTERS AT 100.04 MILLION AND THEN PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT AT 62.53 MILLION.
BASICALLY OUR TOTAL WOULD BE 4 49, 1 30.
SO WE STILL HAVE, WE STILL HAVE $870,000 TO PLAY WITH YOU GUYS.
DIDN'T FRANCE NOTHING IMPRESS.
SO NOW QUICK BEFORE WE LEAVE, UH, $450 MILLION, IF WE SPLIT THEM CITYWIDE PROJECTS LIKE BLUE, I'M CALLING CITYWIDE PROJECT AND UH, DISTRIBUTE REST IN THE COUNCIL DISTRICT.
UH, ANY SUGGESTIONS? I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE 50 50 SPLIT.
50% OF THE BUDGET GOES TO CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.
SO 450 MILLION NOW WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THE PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO YOU MEAN THE PARK SITE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT? NO, NO.
OVERALL I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL WORK ON THE SPLIT BETWEEN THE, THE CITY AND US CITYWIDE PROJECT CITYWIDE.
WHEN WE GIVE MONEY TO THE ZOO, THAT GOES WITH THE BUCKET OF CITYWIDE PROJECT CENTER.
WE'RE A TENNIS CENTER THAT TERMS, THAT WILL DECIDE WHICH PROJECT INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT, THAT DOES NOT GO IN DISTRICT, IT GOES CITYWIDE PROJECT.
SO WITHIN 400 MILLION, SHOULD WE DECIDE THAT 200 MILLION? THAT'S FOUR.
IS THERE SOMETHING, IS THERE A LEGAL REASON WE NEED TO DO THAT? NO, WE DON'T NEED TO.
LEGALLY, THAT'S JUST AS ACCEPTABLE.
PRESIDENT AGRAWAL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WHAT WE HAD ALWAYS ASSUMED WAS THAT BASICALLY ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES OF BUCKETS FROM ADA COMPLIANCE CLEAR DOWN TO TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE GONNA BE CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
AND THAT THE PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT WERE THE ONLY THINGS THAT WERE GOING TO BE THE DISTRICT PROJECTS.
THAT'S KIND OF HOW WE HAD SET THIS UP.
NO, BUT IF YOU SPEND 450 MILLION ON CITYWIDE PROJECTS, SO I USE SEEKING MORE MONEY FOR COUNCIL CITYWIDE PROJECTS, WHERE WILL WE GET THAT FROM? IT DOES, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? NO.
SO LET ME, DID YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION, CHRIS? I I DON'T BELIEVE I DID.
THAT'S WHY I'M KIND GIVING YOU A, SO WHEN YOU SAID THESE WORDS CITYWIDE PROJECT, HOW WILL YOU, SO NOW EVERY DISTRICT IS GOING TO ASK FOR MONEY FOR THEIR PROJECTS, RIGHT? EVEN TO RECREATION CENTER OR WHATEVER.
SO, SO THAT SOME PROJECTS ARE VERY, UH, DISTRICT SPECIFIC, OTHERS, THEY ARE IN A SPECIFIC DISTRICT, BUT THEY MAKE AN IMPACT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, RIGHT? SO I THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY TO DO IF YOU JUST TAKE ALL THE, THE, UH, AGENCY MATCHES, LARGE PARTNERSHIP, UH, NATATORIUM, LAND ACQUISITION, MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL GOLF, TENNIS,
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THOSE ARE ALL ROCKET SPORTS COMPLEX.THOSE ARE ALL CITYWIDE CITYWIDE.
SO, SO, OKAY, SO I'LL TAKE IT BACK.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO AN ALLOCATION.
WE HAVE MAY NOT ACCURATE QUESTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THIS IS IMPORTANT.
SO OF THIS PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, I, OF THE SPREADSHEET THAT YOU SENT THAT HAD ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS LAID OUT, WHAT WAS OUR NEEDS INVENTORY IN EACH OF OUR DISTRICTS, YOU ALSO HAD A CITYWIDE NEEDS INVENTORY SCORING PAGE.
HAVE THESE ALL ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED IN THIS OR IS THAT COMING OUT OF OUR 62 MILLION ADDITIONALLY? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, I THINK WHAT I THINK IS, IS MY UH, ASSUMPTION OF THE 62 MILLION THAT'S HERE IN PARKS AND SITE DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S MEANS THAT'S FOR OUR 14 DISTRICTS TO COME TO THE TABLE AND SAY, I NEED 5 MILLION, YOU NEED 3 MILLION, YOU NEED 10 MILLION.
IT'S NOT FOR ANY CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
SO THIS MONEY IS ONLY FOR US TO GO AND SAY, I WANT A NEW PLAYGROUND OVER HERE, OR I NEED WHATEVER I NEED IN MY DISTRICT SPECIFIC IN DISTRICT, SPECIFIC TO MY DISTRICT.
SO REALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS PIE TENDS TO BE MORE CITYWIDE USER WIDE EXPLANATION.
BUT THEN THAT, SO HOW DOES THE CONVERSATION HAPPEN ON THE SPLITTING UP OF THE 62? IS THAT ALL DRIVEN BY OUR, OUR FORMULA OF NEEDS? PRETTY MUCH, YES.
THAT'S WHEN CLOUDS WILL COME UP.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN CLOUDS WILL COME OFF.
SO WE ARE AT $449 MILLION BUT RIGHT, CORRECT.
WITH THE PERCENTAGES THAT WE HAD.
SO I KIND OF HAVE A MILLION BACK.
BUT WE NEED TO INCREASE RECREATION CENTERS OR, OR PLAYGROUNDS.
THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE TWO BLANKS THAT I STILL HAVE ARE THE PLAYGROUND NUMBER AND THE RECREATION CENTER.
THAT'S WHY I SAID DO YOU HAVE A NUMBER IN THERE AT ALL? YEAH, IT'S THE SAME NUMBER.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW IF YOU WANNA SHIFT IT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT NOW AND SAY WE WANT REC CENTERS TO HAVE 80 MILLION IN PLAYGROUNDS TO HAVE 26 MILLION.
THAT'S WHY I SAID ALLOCATE SOME MONEY FROM REC CENTERS TO PLAYGROUNDS AS A POLICY POSITION BECAUSE THE MONEY, THAT MONEY'S NOT GONNA CHANGE.
YOU JUST MOVE SOME MONEY FROM OVER TO PLAY.
YEAH, IF WE WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO, IF WE WANT AS A, I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE DO THAT.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE 1 MILLION, LET'S PUT THAT IN PLAYGROUND RIGHT AWAY.
SO IF THESE PLAYGROUNDS GET 1 MILLION, CAUSE WE HAVE 1 MILLION LEFT FROM 50, NOW YOU'RE AT 7 MILLION, SOME 0.5 MILLION IN PLAYGROUNDS AND IT'S ONLY POTENTIALLY 21 OR GEEZ 30.
HOW WE HAVE THE JR I, I CHALLENGE YOU MY FRIEND, IF YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE A PLAYGROUND THAT'S EXPIRED ON 22 OR WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE YOUR REC CENTER FIXED UP? YEAH, THAT DISCUSSION.
I WILL BE, I HAVE TO PLAYGROUND CENTER AND THAT PUT ONE MORE MILLION DOLLARS IN PLAYGROUND AND STILL KEEP THE BUCKET OF RECREATION CENTER AND PLAYGROUND TOGETHER.
AND WHEN WE START DISCUSSING SPECIFIC RECREATION CENTER PLAYGROUNDS AT THAT TIME WE CAN SEE IF WE WANT TO MOVE SOME MONEY FROM RECREATION CENTER TO PLAYGROUNDS.
SO RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S BEEN TOO LONG A DAY NOW TO GO THROUGH THAT LIST.
YEAH, NO, BUT WHAT, SO THEY HAVE TO, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO WITH THIS LIST AT THIS POINT? IS THIS FOR YOU TO GO TO YOUR COMMITTEE, YOUR TASK ON TASK FORCE COMMITTEES AND TELL THEM THESE ARE OUR PERCENTAGES.
WILL YOU ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE SPECIFIC DETAIL AS TO THE PROJECTS WE'VE I IDENTIFIED OR IS IT ONLY PRESENTED BUCKETS? SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, YOU GUYS WANT US TO BASICALLY PUT THE PLAYGROUND AND RECREATION CENTERS TOGETHER INTO ONE BUCKET FOR NOW.
ADD THE $890,000 EXTRA INTO THIS ONE BUCKET.
PUT IT UNDER THOUGH YOU HAVE A BUCKET BUT YOU HAVE SUB BUCKETS.
SO PUT THAT UNDER THE PLAYGROUND.
SO RIGHT IS MISSING AND SOMETHING ELSE IS THERE AND WHEN WE DO IT, THEN WE GO THROUGH, OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA FLIP.
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I GOT YOU CHRIS, WHICH SLIDE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? LOOKING FOR? TURN BACK TO NEXT STEPS.OKAY, SO WE GOT WHAT WE NEEDED TO ACHIEVE TODAY, CHRIS? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
SO WE DEVELOPED THE PRELIMINARY PROJECT LIST PER CATEGORY BASED ON THE SCORING, THE 450 MILLION FUNDING SCENARIO AND THEN THE PARK BOARD RECOMMENDED FUNDING LIST PER CATEGORY.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE NOW GIVEN US YOUR RECOMMENDED UM, DOLLAR AMOUNTS PER CATEGORY.
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT INFORMATION IS BASICALLY GO BACK AND UTILIZE THE NEEDS INVENTORY TO PRODUCE LISTS THAT ARE NOW EQUITABLE AND COMPARABLE WITH THESE DOLLAR VALUES.
THEN WE NEED TO PRESENT THOSE PRELIMINARY PROJECT LISTS TO THE PARK COURT FOR DISCUSSION, EVALUATION AND PRIORITIZATION.
AT THAT POINT WE CAN THEN PRESENT THOSE PRIORITIZED PROJECT LISTS TO THE PARKS AND TRAILS SUBCOMMITTEE FOR DISCUSSION AND EVALUATION.
SO WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE PARKS AND TRAILS SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS ON JUNE 13TH AND JUNE 20TH.
WE'RE GOING TO END UP CANCELING BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS JUST BECAUSE WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THE PARK BOARD AND GET THIS STUFF DONE.
YEAH, AND WE'D ALSO LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE PARKS TRAIL SUBCOMMITTEE AND WHOEVER ELSE IS COMING ALONG TO DO THE TOURS ON JUNE 10TH AND JUNE 24TH SO THAT THEY CAN SEE KIND OF THE GOOD FACILITIES, THE BAD FACILITIES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN AND HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE FACILITIES.
SO ON THOSE FIELD TRIPS WE'LL MEET AT DALLAS CITY HALL AND BOARD THE BUS AT 9:00 AM THERE ARE INSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE FORTHCOMING ON WHERE TO MEET AND HOW TO MEET.
SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING WITH THIS INFORMATION, AS I SAID, IS GOING BACK LOOK RE-LOOKING AT THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND YOU KNOW, RE-SCORING REPRIORITIZING AND PROVIDING YOU SOME PRELIMINARY PROJECT LISTS FOR NEXT THURSDAY.
AND AT THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL TRY OUR DARNEST TO GET YOU THAT AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT THOSE PRIORITIZED LISTS.
BUT WHAT WE STILL NEED YOU TO BE DOING IS GOING THROUGH YOUR NEEDS INVENTORY, USING THAT INTAKE LOG TO PROVIDE US ANY CORRECTIONS THAT YOU SEE.
AND IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY AND TALK THROUGH THAT, PLEASE SEND ME AN EMAIL.
WE'LL MAKE ARRANGEMENTS TO DO THAT SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THIS IRONED OUT AND HAMMERED OUT, YOU KNOW, ANY WAY WE NEED TO GET THIS, THIS DATA TAKEN CARE OF.
YOU KNOW, I'M WILLING TO MEET WITH ANYBODY SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE? COULD I LIKE COME AND SIT IN FRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER WITH YOU? NO.
YOU MEET US IN THE BACK OR WE'LL GET A MORE CONFERENCE ROOM PUT ON THE TV.
RATHER THAN TRY TO DO THAT, IF THAT WORKS EASIEST, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT.
THIS DISCUSSION THAT IT'S 2 49 AND WE ADJOURNED THE SPECIAL SESSION OF ATION BOARD.