[2024 Capital Bond Streets and Transportation Meeting on June 20, 2023.]
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UM, OKAY, EVERYBODY, IT'S 6 0 9 AND WE'RE GONNA START THE MEETING RIGHT QUICK.
UM, IF EVERYBODY WILL KIND OF, UM, BE QUIET,
AND WE'RE CHECKING WITH SOMEBODY WHO'S WATCHING US ON WEBEX TO SEE IF THEY CAN HEAR US.
SO WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU FIND OUT, LET ME KNOW.
AND ALSO, DON'T FORGET, FORGET TO TURN ON YOUR, UH, SPEAKER SYSTEM.
WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE, ACTUALLY, ONE PERSON THAT WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR MEETING, AND, UM, I KNOW THEY'RE TALKING TO STAFF RIGHT NOW, BUT SIR, YOU CAN CATCH THE GENTLEMAN.
WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND TAKE CARE OF THAT RIGHT QUICK.
IF YOU'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENTS WITHIN THREE MINUTES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND RECORD THAT.
BE SURE TO TELL US YOUR NAME, SIR, AND WHAT DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN.
THEY USUALLY HAVE YOU, UH, WRITE DOWN OR SAY YOUR, THE NAME OF YOUR STREET, NOT THE ADDRESS, BUT THE NAME OF THIS.
I CAN SAY THAT IF YOU NEED ME TO.
I CAN SAY THE STREET IF YOU NEED ME TO.
GIVE US YOUR NAME, WE'LL GET THAT RECORDED UP.
I LIVE IN ANNE AVENUE IN DISTRICT ONE.
AND, UH, I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP AN ISSUE ABOUT OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, CURRENTLY THE ALLEYWAYS, UH, THE 900 AND THE 900 BLOCK OF ANNE AVENUE ARE WHAT THE CITY CALLS UNIMPROVED.
LITTLE BIT, LITTLE BIT LOUDER, MR. PETERS.
UH, CURRENTLY THE LUON 900 BLOCK OF LUON AVENUE AND THE ALLEYWAYS, UH, BEHIND AND AROUND IT ARE UNIMPROVED, AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET IT IMPROVED WITH DRAINAGE.
UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, BECAUSE OF THE UNIMPROVED WE GET, WHENEVER IT RAINS, THE STORMWATER RUSHES INTO THE SIDEWALKS INTO THE ALLEYS.
IT FLOODS THE YARDS, UM, SIDEWALKS AND ALLEYS FOR DAYS AFTER A RAIN EVENT.
UM, THE CITY IS CONSTANTLY REPAIRING THESE ALLEYWAYS, UM, BUT IT JUST GETS WASHED AWAY EVERY TIME IT RAINS AGAIN.
UM, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET CURBS ON LUANNE AVENUE WITH DRAINAGE, BECAUSE THEN IT WILL PREVENT THE RUNOFF WATER STORMWATER FROM GETTING INTO ALL THESE PROPERTIES.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE BASEMENTS,
SO IT'S, THE SIDEWALKS BECOME IMPASSABLE, THEY'RE FLOODED, PEOPLE WALK IN THE STREET.
UM, IT'S UNSAFE FOR PEOPLE JUST WALKING THEIR DOGS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT, UH, OUR LITTLE BLOCK AND ALLEYWAYS GET ONTO THE 2024 BOND LIST.
UM, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ON THE NEEDS LIST, BUT IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE OF AN ISSUE EVERY TIME IT RAINS, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S CAUSING DAMAGE AND IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY TO KEEP PUTTING THE GRAVEL OUT AND TRYING TO FIX THE STREET, UM, IS THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY FIX IT, IS TO PUT A DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON THE BOTTOM.
I KNOW THAT ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS HAS BEEN TALKING TO YOU AND TAKING DOWN THE INFORMATION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE COMPLETED THAT PROCESS YET.
DID YOU SHOW THE NAME OF THAT STREET? LUANNE, L A U S A N N E.
AND WHAT DISTRICT AGAIN? DISTRICT ONE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR REGISTERING YOUR, YOUR, UH, COMMENTS.
UM, GUS, ARE WE READY TO START THEN? ARE WE UP ON WEBEX AND EVERYTHING? WE SHOULD, I ASSUME WE ARE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HERE.
UH, I'M JOINED BY, UH, OUR CHIEF PLANNER, MS. CATHERINE RUSH, AND OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR ORO MAAR.
AND WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, UH, SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR THE, UH, UM, UH, THE TRAFFIC RELATED ITEMS, UH, AND THE BOND.
THE BASIS OF OUR PRESENTATION IS THE MEMO THAT WAS SENT TO, UM, THE, UH, MAYOR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THAT MEMO, UH, SHOWED BASICALLY THE, UH, POSSIBLE SCENARIOS FOR THE, UM, UH, ALLOCATION OF BOND FUNDS, WHICH CURRENTLY SHOWS THE, ONE OF THE POSSIBLE SCENARIO IS A 50 MILLION, UH, UM, UH, ALLOCATION TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
SO, UH, WITH THAT, I WANTED TO KIND OF,
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UH, UH, START BY, UM, HIGHLIGHTING OR NOTING THE, UM, UH, THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AS, AS THE MAIN ITEM IN OUR, UH, PORTFOLIO THAT WE'RE ASKING SOME OF THAT MONEY OR MOST OF THAT MONEY TO GO TO.SO, WITH THAT, I'LL START WITH THE, UH, PRESENTATION OR A PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION THAT I, UH, PROVIDED TO THE, UH, UH, UH, OR I SHOWED TO THE, UH, UH, COUNCIL BRIEFING ON APRIL 19TH.
SO, KIMBERLY, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT ONE UP AND SO THAT WE CAN TALK, CAN THAT BE SENT TO US ELECTRONICALLY FOR THOSE OF US THAT PREFER TO TAKE THOSE NOTES ELECTRONICALLY AT THE START OF THE MEETING INSTEAD OF AFTERWARDS? YES.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION? YES.
LIKE, CAN, CAN SOMEBODY JUST EMAIL IT TO EVERYBODY? YEAH.
AND THE AND FOR THOSE AT HOME WHILE YOU'RE DOING THE PRESENTATION INSTEAD OF AFTERWARDS.
SO, KIMBERLY, CAN YOU SHOW THE, UH, UH, PRESENTATION? YES, GO AHEAD.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE EMAIL TO US.
I WANTED TO SHOW THE, UH, THE, UH, START OF THE BRIEFING PRESENTATION THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA, BASICALLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND, UH, WHICH WILL HELP ADD CLARITY TO THIS PRESENTATION.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT TO GET UP.
UM, I, I'VE ASKED THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT, UH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING, PLEASE MAKE SURE WE GET THE, THE PRESENTATION BY EMAIL EARLY SO THAT WE'LL HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT.
I KNOW Y'ALL ARE ON, THEY'RE ON A REALLY, UM, TIGHT SCHEDULE.
THEY'RE DOING AT THE SAME TIME.
THEY'RE DOING THIS AND THEY'RE DOING LARGER COMMITTEE, THEY'RE ALSO DOING TOWN HALL MEETINGS.
SO I KNOW STAFF IS, IS STRETCHED REALLY THIN, BUT IT'S REALLY HELPFUL IF WE HAVE THAT UP.
AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE JUST LOOKING IN ON WEBEX OR WHATEVER, FOR SOME REASON, WE CANNOT GET THE, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GET UP, GET THE, UH, PRESENTATION UP ON SCREEN.
BUT IS IT, IS IT COMING UP ON WEBEX THOUGH? OKAY.
I THINK SINCE EVERYBODY HAS A PAPER COPY, LET'S GO AHEAD.
I'LL PROCEED WITH THIS ONE, AND THEN, UM, IF SHE'S ABLE TO GET THE OTHER ONE, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED IS THE PRESENTATION.
THE PURPOSE OF THE PRESENTATION IS TO SHOW PRETTY MUCH THE, UM, UH, THE POTENTIAL ALLOCATION OF THE FUNDS THAT WE HAVE, UM, AS BASED ON THE MEMO THAT WAS SENT TO, UM, THE COUNCIL ON JUNE 16TH.
SO WE WILL SHOW THE, UH, 2017, UH, ALLOCATIONS AND THEN, UM, AS WELL AS THE 2024 ESTIMATED ALLOCATION, THE NEEDS, INVENTORY, AND THE FUNDING SCENARIO.
SO WHAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING HERE IS, UH, THE, UH, UH, MAIN ITEMS THAT FALL UNDER THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, AND THEY ARE HIGHLIGHTED AS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE, TRAFFIC SIGNAL WARRANTED, UH, THE STREET LIGHTING, UH, SAFETY AND VISION ZERO, AND THE QUIET ZONE.
NOW, THE OTHER, UH, UH, CATEGORIES, WHICH ARE COMPLETE STREET THOROUGHFARE EXPANSION AND PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS FUNDED AND PERSPECTIVE, ARE OVERLAPPING PROJECTS WITH PUBLIC WORKS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LEAVING THOSE OFF, AND WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE TRANSPORTATION ITEMS. NEXT SLIDE.
SO IN THE 2017 BOND, WE, WE HAD TRAFFIC SIGNALS UPGRADE ABOUT 20 MILLION FOR THE NEW WARRANTED, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, 18 AND A HALF MILLION.
UH, STREET LIGHTING, WE HAD 2.6 MILLION.
AND THE SAFETY INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, 2.9 MILLION.
SO, UH, THE, UM, THE, UH, KEY HERE IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WARRANTED SIGNALS ARE THE ONES THAT AT INTERSECTIONS THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
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HOWEVER, DUE TO, UH, STUDIES THAT MEET FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS DETERMINED THAT A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL CAN BE INSTALLED, UH, AND CAN BE PERMITTED TO BE INSTALLED AT THOSE LOCATIONS.SO ON THE 2024 BOND ESTIMATED LOCATION, CURRENTLY WHAT IS SHOWN IS, UH, $50 MILLION IN, UH, A LOCATION.
AND THIS 50 MILLION IS ROUGHLY ABOUT 44 MILLION AFTER FACTORING IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE COST AND FUTURE INFLATION.
SO THAT IS 44 MILLION THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO IN THE BOND INVENTORY NEEDS, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, UPGRADE ABOUT 30 MILLION PER YEAR, OR 160 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS, WHICH INCLUDES SOFTWARE, UM, UH, UPGRADES TO OUR ADVANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, UM, OVER FIVE YEARS.
AND, UH, ALSO WE HAVE THE, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT ARE WARRANTED, 22 MILLION FOR 45 CURRENTLY WARRANTED SIGNALS.
AND WE DO HAVE A DRAFT LIST FOR THAT.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, 25 MILLION IN NEED FOR STREET LIGHTING FOR 74 PROJECTS THAT COVER A GAP.
AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, UH, SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, ABOUT 30 MILLION FOR, UM, VISION ZERO AND PROJECTS.
AND CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, WE WERE JUST FINISHING UP THE, UH, UH, EVALUATION OF THE QUIET ZONES, WHICH ABOUT, UH, IT'S ABOUT BETWEEN 500, UH, THOUSAND TO A MILLION DOLLAR, UH, OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
NOW, THE QUIET ZONES, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT IS THAT BASICALLY ANYTIME THAT YOU HAVE AN AT GRADE CROSSING AND, UH, CURRENTLY WHEN TRAINS, UH, CROSSES THOSE AT GRADE CROSSINGS, THE, UH, UH, THE SOUND, UH, UH, OF THE, UH, BELLS, UM, IS SOMETIMES IS, IS VERY LOUD, ESPECIALLY IN, UH, SUBDIVISIONS OR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS THAT THE FEDERAL RAILROAD ADMINISTRATION HAS PROVISIONS WHEREBY IF WE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THESE CROSSINGS TO PROTECT PEOPLE AND PREVENT PEOPLE FROM, UH, CROSSING AND GOING AROUND THE GATES AS THEY COME DOWN, THEN THEY MAY MITIGATE, ALLOW US TO MITIGATE THE, UH, UH, THE SOUNDING OF THE HORNS, AND THEREFORE THIS WILL QUALIFY, UH, AS A QUIET ZONE.
AND THEN ONCE A CROSSING QUALIFIES AS A QUIET ZONE, THEN IT IS EVALUATED EVERY FIVE YEARS FOR, UH, CONTINUITY.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, AND, AND MATTER OF FACT, I MEAN, I'VE JUST REVIEWED THE, UH, THE LIST OF OUR CROSSINGS, AND THEN, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT CROSSINGS WILL BE, UH, COMING TO BEAR, IF YOU WILL, OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, AS WELL AS WHAT EXISTING CROSSINGS THAT DO NOT HAVE, UH, THE PROVISION, THE CURRENT PROVISIONS THAT WOULD QUALIFY 'EM FOR QUIET ZONE.
SO, UH, UH, MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP THE, UH, PROJECT IN EAST DALLAS, IN DISTRICT NINE ON ALL NINE CROSSINGS, UM, ALONG, UH, THE KCS, UH, CROSSINGS.
AND THOSE WILL BE, UM, UH, FINISHING UP AND WE WILL BE ESTABLISHING THOSE, UH, QUIET ZONES HERE, UH, UH, VERY SHORTLY.
UH, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE STILL DEVELOPING THE, UM, UH, THE LIST SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER, UH, OR, UH, A LOCATION FOR THAT.
SO WE, UH, DID DEVELOP, UH, BASICALLY THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, THREE, THREE MAIN SCENARIOS FOR THE, UH, UH, PRESENTATION OF THE, UM, FOR THE ALLOCATION OF THE, OF THE 50 MILLION.
SO, SCENARIO NUMBER ONE IS THE, UH, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS UPGRADE.
UH, WE'RE ALLOCATING, UH, 20 MILLION, UH, TO THAT.
AND THEN, UH, THE NEW WARRANTED LOCATIONS IS 22 MILLION.
AND THEN STREET LIGHTING 1 MILLION, UH, SAFETY OR VISION ZERO, UH, 2 MILLION.
AND THE QUIET ZONES, UH, AT 1 MILLION.
UH, SCENARIO NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS THE NEXT SLIDE IS, UH, WE CAN GO 30 MILLION TO UPGRADE THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND ONLY 5 MILLION FOR, UH, NEW WARRANTED SIGNALS.
AND THEN, UH, STREET LIGHTING AT TWO MIL, AND THEN SAFETY AND THE VISION ZERO, UH, 6 MILLION AND THE QUIET ZONES AT 1 MILLION.
AND THEN THE, UH, SCENARIO NUMBER THREE
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IS, UM, WHICH WILL EXCEED THE 50 MILLION, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY ABOUT 30 MILLION IN, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES, 22 MILLION IN NEW WARRANTED SIGNALS, 2 MILLION FOR, UM, UH, STREET LIGHTING, 30 MILLION FOR SAFETY AND VISION, ZERO AND 1 MILLION TO, UM, FOR, UH, QUAD ZONES.NOW, UH, IF WE ACCOUNT FOR THE, UH, PROGRAM DELIVERY AND INFLATION, THE 85 MILLION IS, UH, ABOUT 92 MILLION IN THE, UH, YEAR OF EXPENDITURES.
SO WITH THESE SCENARIOS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO TRY TO PREPARE FOR, UH, WHATEVER, UH, OPTIONS AND, AND WHATEVER NUMBER ENDS UP BEING AT THE END.
OBVIOUSLY THE NEEDS WERE, UH, AS NOTED IN THE MEMO, UM, WAS ALMOST 100 AND, UH, 176 MILLION.
UM, WE'RE, UH, SITTING AT 50 MILLION, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THE BEST USE OF THAT 50 MILLION.
NOW, NOTING AGAIN THAT WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR INFLATION AND, UH, PROGRAM MANAGEMENT, UM, UH, AS WE, UH, GET PREPARED FOR, UM, UH, FOR THAT PART.
SO WITH THAT, UH, I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, HOW WE'RE GONNA DO THIS TODAY IS THAT THE FIRST PERSON HERE WAS MARA, AND SO SHE IS WITH DISTRICT 12.
SO SHE'S GONNA GO FIRST, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE DISTRICT 13 FOURTEENS START BACK THEN AT ONE.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GONNA DO A ROUND ROBIN OF THAT.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, THEN ASK IT.
PLEASE ONLY SPEND THREE MINUTES ASKING THE QUESTION, AND THEN GUESS YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT LIMITED BY WHAT YOU SAY.
BUT ANYWAY, GO AHEAD, MORRIS, RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, MR. 12TH.
SO, GUS, WHEN WILL WE KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS ALLOCATED TO EACH DISTRICT SO WE CAN EVEN FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WOULD EVEN GO? HONESTLY, I'M GONNA HAVE TO EITHER FOLLOW UP WITH THAT ANSWER OR HAVE THE JENNIFER ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT, UM, AT THIS POINT.
BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I CAN SAY ON THE TRANSPORTATION RELATED ITEMS, THEY'RE GENERALLY CITYWIDE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE 'EM BASED ON NEEDS.
UM, HOWEVER, UH, IN THE 2017 BOND, UH, PROGRAM, SORRY, 2017 BOND PROGRAM, THERE WERE, UH, UH, AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, WHO CHOSE TO USE THEIR, SOME OF THEIR MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED TO THEM, UH, FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
IS THERE ANYBODY HERE FROM DISTRICT 13? YES, THIS IS, THIS IS CANDACE URBAN.
I KNOW, I, YEAH, GO AHEAD AND, AND TELL EVERYBODY YOUR NAME AND EVERYTHING SO THAT WE CAN GET THAT RECORDED.
I THINK YOU'LL ALL APPRECIATE, I'M HAVING AIR CONDITIONING REPAIR WORK DONE TODAY, SO I APOLOGIZE.
UM, MY NAME'S CANDACE COOK IRVIN.
I'M DISTRICT 13, AND I THINK SIMILAR TO DISTRICT 12, MY QUESTION WAS AROUND A NEEDS INVENTORY LISTING AND WHERE THOSE SCORES ARE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THESE NUMBERS ARE CUTTING OFF.
IS THERE AN OBVIOUS CUT POINT OR NOT? YEAH, CANDACE, AGAIN, UM, UM, I AM, UH, SEPARATING THE, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNAL OR TRAFFIC RELATED ITEMS FROM THE OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE THE, UH, LIKE THE ROADWAY RECONSTRUCTION OR, OR ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION.
AND ON THE TRAFFIC RELATED ITEMS, THEY'RE PRIMARILY MORE OF A CITYWIDE.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE UPGRADING OF THE ADVANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IT'S FOR THE ENTIRE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
WE'VE GOT TRAFFIC SIGNALS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN SOME DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF REPLACEMENTS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, VISIBILITY ISSUES OR, OR CRASHES OR SOME, SOME, UH, SOME SIMILAR CONDITIONS.
AND THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WILL BE, UH, PRIORITI, UH, PRIORITIZING USING OUR, UM, UH, WE'LL, STARTING WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THEM.
AND THEN WE START WORKING OUR WAY TO SEE, HEY, DOES IT, UH, FULFILL A NEED? DOES IT CLOSE A GAP? DOES IT HELP WITH, WITH, UH, A PARTICULAR SITUATION? SO I'M LOOKING AT, UM, FROM, ALSO FROM A BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS OF OUR, WHAT IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT
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IF WE MAKE THAT UPGRADE VERSUS THE OTHER UPGRADE.DOES, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, CANDACE? NO.
YEAH, I THINK JUST THAT ADDED TRANSPARENCY, AND SO I, I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK.
DISTRICT ONE, CAN I MENTION, CAN I MENTION ONE THING? SORRY.
CAN I MENTION ONE THING ABOUT THE, UH, NEEDS INVENTORY? GO AHEAD.
UM, YES, I JUST, UH, SENT IT OUT ALL THE HANDOUTS, UM, THAT WERE, ARE HERE TODAY.
I JUST SENT 'EM OUT VIA EMAIL.
UM, SO THAT WILL HOPEFULLY, UH, HELP TOWARDS PROVIDING SOME OF THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WAS THE REQUEST, ALTHOUGH, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE A NOTE FOR THEM THAT YES, YES, THAT, UM, THEY'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN DRAFT FORM.
UM, WE HAVEN'T, UH, INCORPORATED THE EQUITY SCORING CRITERIA YET.
OH, THEY'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN DRAFT FORM, UM, THE EQUITY CRITERIA THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS SCORES ISN'T THERE YET.
SO, UM, UH, I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO TAKE IT AS GOSPEL, AND PLEASE, UH, DON'T SHARE IT WIDELY AT THIS POINT, BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME, AT LEAST INITIAL SENSE OF WHERE THINGS WOULD CUT OFF UNDER DIFFERENT FUNDING SCENARIOS.
AND JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT CATHERINE IS REFERRING TO IS THE TRANSPORTATION TRAFFIC SIGNAL ITEMS IN, IN STREETLIGHT AND NOT THE ROADWAY COMPONENTS.
WHAT CATHERINE JUST EMAILED ARE THE LISTING OF THE, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LOCATIONS OF THE WARRANTED SIGNALS THAT, UH, BASICALLY ARE WARRANTED AND NEEDS A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
UH, THIS IS A DRAFT, STILL DRAFT IN DRAFT FORM, AND THE LIST DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ROADWAYS AND, AND OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE THAT WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED TO ADD TO THE INVENTORY LIST.
SO, JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
SO THEY'RE JUST NEW ONES THAT NO, THEY ARE TRANSPORTATION, TRAFFIC RELATED, UH, LOCATIONS.
SO TRAFFIC SIGNAL LOCATIONS? NO, THEY'RE JUST NEW TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
NO, WE INCLUDED BOTH, WE INCLUDED BOTH.
I'M SORRY, THE, UH, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, SO THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, SO MM-HMM.
OH, HEY, KIMBERLY, WOULD YOU GO BACK? OKAY.
HANG ON JUST A SECOND, JUST ONE MINUTE.
UM, COMMITTEE, KIMBERLY, HERE'S, HERE'S THE DOCUMENT, APPARENTLY, SO EVERYBODY GET IT UP.
IT'S ON YOUR, IT'S ON YOUR DESK.
START IT AGAIN, CATHERINE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
SO THE TOPIC OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES, NEW WARRANTED TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UM, STREET LIGHT, STREET LIGHTING NEEDS, UM, UH, AND VISION ZERO, AS WELL AS, UM, TO SOME EXTENT QUIET ZONES.
HOWEVER, THAT'S, UM, AT THIS TIME MORE OF A LUMP NEED VERSUS A BROKEN DOWN BY LOCATION NEED.
UM, SO WE HAVE SEPARATE SPREADSHEETS FOR EACH OF THOSE NEEDS INVENTORY ITEMS. UM, SO THIS IS NOT, AGAIN, EVERY PROJECT CATEGORY, THIS IS JUST THESE FIVE OR FIVE PROJECT CATEGORIES, UM, WHERE WE HAVE SOME SCORING INFORMATION AND AVAILABLE.
DARREN, DARREN, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, HOLD ON.
UM, SHE, SHE MAYBE SOMETHING ELSE.
UM, ON THE, THE UPGRADES NEED IN INVENTORY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG NUT RIGHT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, IN THE COST 2023 COLUMN, I NOTICED THAT EVERY SINGLE, UH, LIGHT IS PUT AT THE SAME DOLLAR AMOUNT OF HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO, UH, THAT OBVIOUSLY IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT FOR A BIG INTERSECTION VERSUS A SMALL INTERSECTION.
HOW FAR OFF COULD THAT BE ON AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT? SO THE QUESTION IS, WE'RE USING AN AVERAGE FLAT RATE OF 500 OR 550, AND WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, LOCATIONS WHERE THE INTERSECTION IS WIDER AND THEN WILL COST MORE.
UH, ALSO WE DO HAVE SOME T INTERSECTIONS WHERE WE COST LESS.
SO ON AVERAGE, AND THIS IS BASED ON CURRENT DATA THAT WE HAVE, BASED ON ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN BIDDING, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, SIX MONTHS OR SO, WE HAVE BEEN AVERAGING ABOUT 500 TO 550, UH, UH, THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UH, SO TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, $500,000 FOR CONSTRUCTION AND ABOUT $50,000 PER LOCATION FOR DESIGN.
SO, SO, BUT THE QUESTION IS, HOW FAR OFF CAN THAT BE? SO WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE STREET LIGHT INTERSECTION?
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YOU COULD, SO FOR EXAMPLE, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.OKAY, A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT IS AT A, UH, UH, INTERSECTION WITH A HIGHWAY.
SO WE CALL IT, THOSE ARE GENERALLY REFERRED TO THEM AS THE DIAMOND, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
THOSE ARE THE ALMOST A MILLION DOLLAR TYPE OR SO.
AND THEN THE T INTERSECTIONS AND OR THE, UH, FOR, SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE THE LOCATIONS WHERE WE NEED TO PUT IN THE PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON, WHICH ARE THE ONES SIMILAR TO WHAT, UH, YOU WILL SEE NEAR BAYLOR HOSPITAL FOR PEDESTRIANS, THOSE ARE LIKE A $200,000 KIND OF TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO WHEN YOU COMBINE 'EM ALL, UH, OUR AVERAGE HAS BEEN FAIRLY ACCURATE.
UM, NOW IN THE SECOND THING IN LOOKING AT THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, I NOTICE IN THE, UH, THE, THE POINTS SYSTEM, IS THIS COMPLETE, LIKE WE, WE HAD TALKED LAST AT THE LAST MEETING THAT THE STREETS SCORING WAS NOT COMPLETE YET.
ARE THESE COMPLETE SCORES? NO, IT STILL DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, UM, ITEMS THAT ARE SCORED BY THE OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS.
SO THE EQUITY SCORE AND THE OVERLAY SCORE, THOSE ARE MISSING, CORRECT? YES.
SO IT'S, YEAH, AGAIN, UM, I APOLOGIZE THAT IT'S NOT FULLY COMPLETE, UM, BUT WANTED TO GET YOU AT LEAST SOME NUMBERS AS SOON AS WE COULD.
UM, SO, SO WHAT I OBSERVE, I'M SORRY, I PUT ONE MORE
UM, I'M JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS HERE.
THE TOP, I DON'T KNOW, 15 OR SO ARE BETWEEN 55 AND 61.
UM, BUT THEN BETWEEN 55 AND 50, THERE'S LIKE THREE PAGES.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A, THE LIST IS THREE PAGES LONG.
SO IT SEEMS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, THAT LIKE THESE TOP 15 ARE REALLY EXTRAORDINARILY MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ONES THAT FOLLOW IT.
THE ONES THAT FOLLOW IT TEND TO BE MORE SIMILAR CLUSTERED TOGETHER.
IN TERMS OF THE NEED, I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE UPGRADE, UH, NEEDS INVENTORY, UH, TABLE.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND THEN THE QUESTION IS BASICALLY, SINCE WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM ARE THAT ARE ALMOST 55, VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, SO HOW, WHERE DO YOU DO THE CUTOFF POINT? YEAH, SO I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT HERE IS THAT, UH, JUST TO, TO DIRECTLY
BUT ONCE YOU GET BETWEEN 55 AND 50, UM, WE, THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF DISCRETION AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, BALANCING OUT HOW MUCH EACH DISTRICT GETS AND WHERE WE, WE FEEL THEY'RE NEED.
SO THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS WE'RE, AS I MENTIONED, I THINK I MENTIONED IT LAST TIME, IS THAT WE LOOK AT IT, UH, UH, FROM A, UH, IT'S AN ITERATIVE PROCESS.
THERE WILL BE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF I HAVE A SERIES OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND ONE OF 'EM IS ONE OF THE OLDER ONE, AND IT'S SITTING OUTSIDE THAT TOP 20 OR 30 THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, AND, BUT IT'S STILL SCORING LIKE 54.95 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE NOT TO INCLUDE IT AND TAKE CARE OF IT SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE A WHOLE CORRIDOR OR A, A CONTINUOUS LOCATIONS WHERE IT HAS A COMPLETED UPGRADED SIGNALS.
SO YOU'RE CORRECT IN SUCH A WAY THAT THIS IS THE FIRST GOAL, AND THEN THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, UH, UH, SOME DISCRETION, IF YOU WILL, AT A LATER DATE THAT WE WILL, WE WILL BE TRANSPARENT IN HOW WE ARE SELECTING THOSE AND THE JUSTIFICATION THAT GOES WITH IT.
UM, I WANNA ADD TO THAT ALSO, UM, FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT MIGHT BECOME AVAILABLE CAN ALSO, UH, POTENTIALLY CHANGE PRIORITIES TO SOME EXTENT.
UM, ONE OF THE KEY WAYS WE'RE FUNDING TRAFFIC SIGNALS RIGHT NOW AND HOPE TO IN THE FUTURE IS BY LEVERAGING, UM, STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS.
AND SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN SCORING CRITERIA.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, ONE OF OUR KEY FUNDING SOURCES IS THE HIGHWAY SAFETY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
AND THAT IS REALLY, REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON HIGH INJURY LOCATIONS.
UM, WHEREAS THESE CRITERIA ARE INTENDED TO MEET, YOU KNOW, BROAD, BROAD AND MULTIPLE CITY GOALS, NOT JUST SAFETY.
SO IN SITUATIONS LIKE THAT, IN ORDER TO HELP TRY TO LEVERAGE FUNDING, UM, A SIGNAL THAT'S MAYBE SLIGHTLY LOWER PRIORITY COULD GET BUMPED UP.
IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? GUESS AND JUST, UM, TOO, LIKE THE SCORING CRITERIA ACROSS ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES IS INTENDED TO SHOW YOU WHERE BASICALLY WE COULD GET THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, UM, WHERE WE, IF WE WANT TO GO THE FURTHEST TOWARDS MEETING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT CITY GOALS, UM, WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE TO INVEST.
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AND IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, ONE THING, A AGAIN, THIS IS WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT WE WILL, UH, PROBABLY EMAIL YOU THAT, UH, UH, BRIEFING THAT I MADE, UH, TO COUNCIL ON APRIL 19TH.YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, UH, DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT 14 ACCOUNTED FOR, UH, THE LARGEST NUMBER OF OLDER SIGNALS IN THE CITY.
SO THEY ACCOUNTED 37% OF THE SYSTEM, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT THEN THERE WERE ALMOST 47% OF THE, UH, OLD SIGNALS.
UM, SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS THAT, UM, WERE, UH, COMING ONLINE AND WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF UPGRADE AS MANY AS WE CAN TO ALL BRING THEM KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHERE THE CITY, UH, UH, THE OTHER PORTION OF THE CITY ARE IS.
UM, SO NOW WE HAVE DISTRICT ONE.
UM, THE FIRST IS, CAN YOU REMIND ME THE DEFINITION OF WARRANTED? HOW, HOW YOU GET TO THAT? DID YOU SAY, IS THAT A FEDERAL? UM, SURE.
SO WARRANTED SIGNAL, UH, THE FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY HAS A SET OF NINE, WHAT THEY CALL WARRANTS, WHICH IS CRITERIA, UM, FOR US TO INSTALL A TRAFFIC SIGNAL, IT HAS TO MOVE ONE OR MORE OF THOSE CRITERIA.
SO WE, WE DO A STUDY BASED ON THE MANUAL OF UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, UH, IN SHORT N T C D, WHICH IS, UH, WHICH EVERY, UH, ENTITY WITHIN THE UNITED STATES HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS TRANSLATION OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
SO WE DO, UM, WARRANT ANALYSIS BASED ON THE E T C D CRITERIA, AND IF THOSE CRITERIA MET, THEN WE RECOMMEND, UH, META TRAFFIC SIGNAL BE INSTALLED.
AND THE CRITERIA ARE VOLUMES, UM, PEDESTRIAN AND, UM, REGULAR COMPLEX ACCIDENTS, RAILROADS AND, AND, UM, RIGHT VIEW, UH, OTHER CRITERIA.
SO WHEN WE SAY A WARRANTED SIGNAL, THAT'S WHERE IT MEANS IT MEETS THOSE CRITERIA.
IT MEETS, UM, AT LEAST ONE OF THE NINE CRITERIA SET BY THE YES.
UM, SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS, THE SCENARIOS ONE AND TWO THAT YOU LAY OUT, UM, FOR FUNDING HAVE A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF GAP BETWEEN THE TWO.
NOT, THEY'RE NOT EXTREME, BUT I WOULD SAY MAYBE A LITTLE EXTREME ON, ON DIFFERENT ENDS.
AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT DROVE THAT THOUGHT PROCESS BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENTIAL, TWO DIFFERENTIAL SCENARIOS OF THE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
UM, AND IS IS, WAS THERE THOUGHT LIKE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OR, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE GOING FROM 22 MILLION TO 5 MILLION AND THEN 20 TO 30 ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, THAT'S, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY VISION BUSINESS, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON THE TWO SCENARIOS.
SO I CAME UP WITH THE SCENARIOS, AND THE INTENT IS WITH THE SCENARIOS IS TO START MORE OR LESS A CONVERSATION ABOUT VALUES AND ABOUT WHAT YOU AND YOU SEE AS YOUR, YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS VALUING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, YOU KNOW, RO MIGHT, UH, I THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO, UH, FUND FULLY FUND WARRANTED SIGNALS, WHEREAS I MIGHT THINK IT'S MORE IMPORTANT TO FUND MAINTENANCE OF OUR EXISTING SIGNALS.
AND SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD HAVE BEEN, I THINK AN THERE CAN BE AN INTERMEDIARY OPTION, BUT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HAVING A REASONABLE NUMBER OF OPTIONS, WE JUST GAVE THREE.
BUT I THINK THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE GREAT QUESTION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE INTENTS OF THE SCENARIOS IS TO SEE WHERE ALL OF YOU THINK ROUGHLY WE SHOULD ALIGN, UH, WITH THESE PARTICULAR PROJECT CATEGORIES ABOUT HOW MUCH WE SHOULD SPEND.
SO, SO FOR SCENARIO ONE, SO THAT'S FULLY FUNDING WARRANTED SIGNALS, UM, WE WOULD BE SPENDING ABOUT AS MUCH AS WE CURRENTLY DO ON UPGRADING, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, WHICH STILL LEAVES US A LITTLE BIT BEHIND.
BUT GUS IS AMAZING AT FINDING FUNDING SOURCES FROM UNDER COUCH CUSHIONS, UM,
AND THEN QUIET ZONE, UM, AND, AND STREET LIGHTING, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT FOR THAT.
SCENARIO TWO, WE START TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A DENT WITH, UM, SAFETY AND VISION ZERO.
WE NEARLY FULLY FUND STREET LIGHTING NEEDS.
UM, WE GET US ON A PATH AT LEAST, PARTICULARLY IF WE START LEVERAGE, IF AGAIN,
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WE CONTINUE TO LEVERAGE EXTERNAL FUNDING SOURCES, WE GET US ON A PATH TO START, UM, BASICALLY GETTING OUR TRAFFIC SIGNALS TO A KIND OF INDUSTRY STANDARD, ACCEPTABLE KIND OF LEVEL AND, UH, MAINTENANCE SCHEDULE.UM, BUT THEN AGAIN, BUT AGAIN, UH, THAT WOULD REQUIRE STILL A LOT OF, UM, EXTERNAL FUNDING SOURCES.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, THANK YOU.
AND THEN IF I MAY ADD, I MEAN, THIS IS A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
I MEAN, UH, AS CAPTAIN GAVE ME TOO MUCH CREDIT, BUT, UM, WE, OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, UH, TWO, THREE YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KIND OF WORK WITH OUR PARTNERING AGENCIES IN SECURING FUNDING FOR THE UPGRADES OF THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SEGMENTS.
UH, NOT SO MUCH TO WARRANT IT BECAUSE WARRANTED, THEY'RE SAYING, WELL, MAYBE IT'S LIKE, IT'S YOUR, THIS IS AN EXISTING AREA.
I MEAN, THIS IS A NEW AREA, THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN.
SO, UH, THIS IS WHY MY, MY, UH, INITIAL THOUGHT IS MORE ALIGNED IN THE SCENARIO ONE, UH, IN THE SENSE IF WE'RE STICKING WITH THE 50 MILLION, I WILL NEED TO HAVE MORE FUNDS IN THE WARRANTED SIGNALS.
AND THEN I WILL WORK ON TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN LEVERAGE THE, UH, UH, UPGRADING OF THE EXISTING SIGNALS SIMILAR TO THE TRACK RECORD THAT I, THAT WE'VE HAD HERE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS OF BEING ABLE TO LEVERAGE SOME OF THEM.
BUT THIS IS A THOUGHT, LIKE I SAID, AND, AND WHAT, UH, UH, CATHERINE PRESENTED IS ANOTHER THOUGHT OF US LEVERAGING MORE AND PUSHING MORE OF REPLACEMENT AND UPGRADING OF THE EXISTING ONES AND NOT SO MUCH ON THE, UH, WARRANTED ONES.
SO THIS IS WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND WE NEED YOUR INPUT, YOUR THOUGHTS OF, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, FROM YOUR AREAS? UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY SAY, MATTER OF FACT, WE STARTED THE, UH, UH, THE STUDY ON PRESTON ROAD FROM 6 35, UH, NORTH TO, UH, UH, UH, UH, TO THE NORTHERN, UH, CITY LIMITS WHERE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IT GOES INTO PLANO, BUT THE POINT BEING IN SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ON THE PRESTON, UH, STUDY IS, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT SOME LOCATIONS I CANNOT GET OUT OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
AND THAT TRAFFIC IS SO HEAVY, THEY CANNOT GET, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHO LIVE IN THOSE, SOME OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS CANNOT EXIT.
SO IN ESSENCE, IT'S LOOKING LIKE MORE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO KIND OF PUT IN SOME SORT OF A TRAFFIC SIGNALS OR DO SOME TREATMENT TO BREAK THAT TRAFFIC, TO ALLOW 'EM TO EXIT AND SO ON.
SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, UM, AND, UH, HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK, UH, ON HOW WE BEST STRUCTURE THOSE, UH, FUNDS BETWEEN THOSE TWO CATEGORIES ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
UM, OKAY, SO WE'RE SAYING THAT SOME OF THESE SIGNALS MAY BE LESS THAN THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT AS LARGE.
WHEN WE DID THE BUS TOUR, CATHERINE POINTED OUT ON, UM, ROSS AND GREENVILLE, BASICALLY WHAT THE, WELL, MAYBE IT WAS LIVE OAK AND GASTON, THE LIGHTS ARE ALL KIND OF STANDARD.
THEY'RE BIG, THEY'RE INDUSTRIAL LOOKING.
UM, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU'RE SAYING DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT FOUR HAVE THE GREATEST NEEDS, BUT THESE ALSO HAVE THE SMALLEST STREETS AND SMALLEST SIDEWALKS.
AND WE KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE ISSUES WITH THE, THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS BEING SMACKED DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALKS.
SO HOW DO WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT WHAT WE MIGHT GET FOR THESE LIGHTS, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT THEM UPGRADED
AND I KNOW THAT PROBABLY IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SERVICE THESE ANYMORE, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU CAN'T RUN THE, THE CONDUITS ARE CRUSHED, I THINK IS WHAT I HEARD, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T FIX THE ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS. SO IS THERE A HAP MEDIUM? ARE THERE OTHER LIGHTS AVAILABLE THAT MIGHT COST LESS, THAT WOULD BETTER FIT THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS WITH SMALLER STREETS AND SMALLER SIDEWALKS? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UH, TO START WITH, AGAIN, MY PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL WILL HELP IN ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.
UM, I HAD A SLIDE IN THERE, UH, WHERE I SHOWED WHAT THE FUTURE IS GONNA LOOK LIKE.
UM, NOW THE FUTURE IS GONNA HAVE ALL THE BELLS AND WHISTLES, THE, UH, ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND, AND THE SENSORS AND SO ON.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS THAT MOST OF THESE CURRENT SIGNALS THAT YOU HAVE, SAY IN DISTRICT TWO WERE BUILT IN THE, THE FOUR PRE 1970S, OR IN 1970S.
UM, AND SOME OF THEM STILL 1950S.
WE'VE STILL A COUPLE OF THEM, PROBABLY 38 I THINK,
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YEAH.SO, UH, THE, THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE HERE IS, UM, A LOT OF THEM ARE CORRODED.
AND I MEAN, YOU CAN'T FIX THEM.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SO CORRODED AND, UH, ALL WHAT IT TAKES IS, I MEAN, IT'S SOME STORM, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THEM DOWN.
AS MATTER OF FACT, THE PICTURE THAT I HAD, UH, IN MY PRESENTATION SHOWED LA MANGA AT, UH, HILLCREST, AND WE HAD THAT STORM, AND IT WAS ONLY 30 MILES PER HOUR, AND IT TOOK DOWN THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, SIGNAL POLE, AND LUCKILY NO ONE, UH, GOT HURT AND IT FELL DOWN AND WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF PUT IT BACK UP.
MATTER OF FACT, HERE, HERE'S, UH, YOU CAN SEE IT.
UM, SO THAT ONE, IT FELL ON ITS OWN, AND, UH, YOU'RE SEEING, UH, MOST OF THEM, UH, AROUND THE CITY, WHETHER IT BE IN DISTRICT TWO OR IN ANY OTHER LOCATIONS.
I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GETTING INTO NOW AS FAR AS THE LOCATION OF THE, UH, THE POLES AND, AND, UH, MOVING THEM OUT OF THE SIDEWALK OR AWAY FROM THE, UH, AT LEAST THREE TO FOUR FEET ZONE.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, RO AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TO MAKE SURE, AND CERTAINLY WITH CATHERINE, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN, UH, WE HAVE THE DESIGNERS LOOKING AT THESE THINGS HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, UH, MOVING THEM OUT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THE ADA REQUIREMENTS.
AND ALSO, I STARTED HAVING CONVERSATION WITH ENCORE ABOUT NOT HAVING THEIR POLES AT THE CORNERS OF THE ROADWAYS, BECAUSE IN SOME LOCATIONS WE'VE GOT, UH, POLES THAT ARE IN THE, UH, EVEN IN THE RAMP AREA, THE ADA RAMP AREA.
SO, UH, ALL THESE THINGS HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF ADDRESS 'EM UPFRONT SO THAT WE CAN, UH, HELP WITH THAT.
NOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I MEAN, AGAIN, IN THIS PRESENTATION, IF YOU GO TO THE, UH, UH, SLIDE BEFORE THIS ONE, OR NO, THE AFTER.
SO I SHOWED, UH, THE, UH, COLOR, UH, OR THE AESTHETIC TREATMENT THAT WE HAVE ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT ARE IN THE, UH, GREATER CENTRAL DALLAS AREA.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE CONFINING THE, UH, BLACK POWDER COATED ONES TO THE DOWNTOWN UPTOWN DEEP ALUM.
AND, UM, UH, AND THOSE AREAS PRETTY MUCH, UH, FOR THAT, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST, I THINK WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 15%, 10 OR 15% ON THE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL COST OF THE MATERIAL ONLY, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THE POLES.
SO, UH, THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO KEEP IT CONTAINED TO WITHIN THE CENTRAL DALLAS AREA.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS A STANDARD, UH, GALVANIZED.
BUT, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY SEEING WHAT CAN BE DONE TO, UH, MAYBE TO SALVAGE SOME OF THE EXISTING ONES.
AND I'M, AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN THE 2017 BOND, I STILL HAVE, UH, MATTER OF FACT ONE, UH, UH, UH, FUNDING TO DO A CONTRACT WITH, UH, SOMEONE TO KIND OF LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THAT.
AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO MAINTENANCE, EXCUSE ME, I WOULD ASSUME THESE OLDER LIGHTS ARE CAUSING A LOT TO MAINTAIN, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IF WE START REPLACING LIGHTS WITH NEWER LIGHTS, IS THERE OPPORTUNITY THEN, DOES THIS, DOES THIS PAY IT FORWARD TO WHERE WE CAN GET MORE LIGHTS IN THE FUTURE THAT MAYBE WOULD BE BETTER TO SCALE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOODS? IF THAT QUESTION MAKES SENSE, THAT IT, LIKE, WHAT IF WE WAIT? IS WHAT I'M ASKING? DO WE HAVE BETTER OPPORTUNITY IF WE WAIT IN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS ON SOME OF THESE STREETS BECAUSE THE OPTIONS ARE GOING TO BE BETTER AND THE FUNDING WILL BE THERE BECAUSE WE'VE SAVED MONEY AND MAINTENANCE IN THE FUTURE? ARE WE LOOKING AT GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH AND WE'RE GONNA MISS THE BOAT? I, I, I THINK IT'S MORE OF THE LATTER IN MY OPINION.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY.
UM, AND I'M PROUD OF THIS ACCOMPLISHMENT TO DATE.
SO THREE YEARS AGO, ASSUMING POWER IS STILL ON, WHEN WE HAVE A STORM, WE USED TO HAVE ABOUT 300 SIGNALS OUT OF 1300 TO GO OUT BASICALLY ON FLASH OR ON POWER AFTER THE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE SO FAR.
CUZ WE WENT DOWN FROM ALMOST 68% OF OLDER SIGNALS TO NOW 48% IN THE LAST FEW STORMS WHERE I STILL HAD POWER TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, I WAS AVERAGING ABOUT 30 SIGNALS ON FLASH OR OUT IN THE STORMS. AND THEN WHEN, UH, WHEN WE HAD THE POWER OUTAGE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THEM STILL OPERATED ON BATTERY BACKUP UNITS.
AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE BATTERY BACKUP UNITS ON SOME OF THE ONES ON THE MAIN CORRIDORS THAT CAN OPERATE FOR TWO HOURS
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FULL OPERATION OR FOUR HOURS ON FULL FLASH.AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO GET IT IN THE SYSTEM AND WORKING AND TALKING TO ENCORE SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE A POWER OUTAGE, MY SIGNAL WILL SHOW, WILL SHOW THAT, HEY, I AM OPERATING ON BATTERY NOW, SO THEN WE'LL MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE WANNA SWITCH IT TO A FLASH AND PRESERVE IT FOR FOUR HOURS UNTIL THE ENCORE CREWS RESTORE POWER OR, OR SO ON.
SO WE'RE DOING A LOT OF GOOD THINGS.
UM, UH, AND SAFETY IS, IS IS KEY ALSO.
AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE PROGRESS THAT WE'VE MADE.
AND I MADE THE, MADE THAT, UH, ALSO, UH, CLEAR, UH, TO OUR MAYOR AND, AND CITY MANAGER AND, AND CERTAINLY COUNCIL MEMBERS BECAUSE I SAID QUITE OFTEN THEY DON'T GET THE CREDIT THAT THEY DESERVE.
HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, THEY PUT ME IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO, UH, UH, LEVERAGE SOME OF THESE 2017 BOND FUNDS AND, UH, PUT 'EM TO WORK AND IMPROVE THE, UH, THE SYSTEM AND IMPROVE THE RESILIENCY OF THE SYSTEM.
AND IF I COULD ANSWER, UH, YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THE INDUSTRIAL LOOKING TRAFFIC SIGNALS, UM, IT'S NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
SO WE DESIGN EVERY INTERSECTION BASED ON THE ROAD GRIDS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY THOSE GRID COVERING WITH THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
UH, HAVING SAID THAT THOUGH, I MEAN LOT OF THE OLDER SIGNALS, IT WAS IN ONE CORNER WITH NO MASK ARMS, UH, THAT'S NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
WE HAVE A TRUCK IN THE NEXT LANE TO YOU, YOU MIGHT, MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
SO THE NEW STANDARDS REQUIRED THAT YOU HAVE AN OVERHEAD MASK ON OVER THE LEGS.
SO, BUT IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HUGE INTERSECTION, UM, THE SIGNALS ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BE SMALLER.
SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
I THINK CAUTIOUSNESS COURSE DISTRICT THREE, I HAVE A CONCERN AND A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
I WANT TO KNOW, WHAT IS THE TIME ELEMENT FOR MONITORING WHETHER OR NOT A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS WARRANTED AT A THOROUGHFARE AND A MAIN THOROUGHFARE? UH, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE US TO YES, UH, ACTUALLY DO THE STUDY? YES.
UM, LATELY IT'S BEEN TAKING US VERY LONG, UH, BECAUSE, UH, ACCOUNTS CONTRACTOR IS NOT, UH, I, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON GETTING ACCOUNTS CONTRACTOR ON BOARD, BUT TYPICALLY IT TAKES US BETWEEN ONE AND TWO MONTHS, DEPENDING, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY STUDIES WE HAVE IN THE QUEUE.
UH, SO WE HAVE, WHEN WE HAVE A BACKLOG, IT MIGHT TAKE US TWO TO THREE MONTHS, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE BACKLOGS, WE CAN WRAP IT UP IN A MONTH OR SO.
IF I MAY CLARIFY, EVERY TRAFFIC, UH, WARRANT STUDY REQUIRES US TO GET TRAFFIC COUNTS, WHETHER IT BE IN PEDESTRIANS OR VEHICULAR.
AND CURRENTLY I DO NOT HAVE THAT CAP CAPABILITY IN HOUSE.
WE HAVE TO RELY ON A CONTRACTOR AND, UH, THE CURRENT CONTRACT WAS JUST PASSED IN THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF EXECUTING THAT CONTRACT.
BUT, UM, UM, THAT IS WHAT IS DELAYING US AND DELAYS US OR, OR, OR, UH, IMPACTS THE, THE TIMING OF IT.
THE SECOND PART OF MY QUESTION AND CONCERN IN SOUTHWEST AU CLIFF, OR I'M SPEAKING OF, AND I'M SPEAKING OF WEST WEST KEYS BOULEVARD BETWEEN WESTMORELAND AND COCKRELL HILL.
AND AS YOU KNOW, THE LAND FARM IS HILLY AND SAY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO TURN LEFT ONTO C***S CREEK AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL AT WESTMORELAND TURNS GREEN, YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE HOW MANY CARS OR VEHICLES ARE OFF IN THIS DIP DIP.
SO AS A RESULT, YOU'RE TAKING A CHANCE WITHOUT A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TURNING LEFT AND HAVE A FATALITY.
AND WE HAVE HAD THAT, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WE HAVE A CAUTION LIGHT, BUT THAT DOESN'T RECTIFY THE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT STILL EXISTS WHEN WE HAVE A, A FATALITY OR A MAJOR ACCIDENT.
IT'S NOT THAT OFTEN, BUT WE DO HAVE THEM,
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WELL, WE DO HAVE THE, UH, THE DATA, UH, AND GOD FORBID IF THERE IS A SITUATION LIKE THAT, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A GOOD SITUATION.HOWEVER, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I CAN TALK TO YOU OFFLINE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN PUT IN THE SERVICE REQUEST AND, UH, FOLLOW UP ON IT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT'S EITHER WE HAVE IT IN THE SYSTEM ALREADY OR IF NOT, AT LEAST WE INITIATE THE, UH, THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT IT.
UH, DISTRICT FOUR, DISTRICT FIVE.
I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY'S.
JENNIFER GRANTHAM, DISTRICT SEVEN.
UM, MY QUESTION IS ON, UM, UH, OVERLAYS.
IS THERE ONE FOR PROXIMITY? LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE MEANS INVENTORY.
YOU HAVE THE INTERSECTION AT HASKELL AND PERRY AND EXPOSITION IN PERRY.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE OF FAIR PARK.
THERE'S A DART RAIL STATION, THERE'S AN AT GRADE DARK CROSSING, WHICH COULD QUALIFY FOR A QUIET ZONE.
IT'S A, THE IN BETWEEN THE HASKELL AND PERRY INTERSECTION.
AND THE DART RAIL AT GRADE IS A SANTA FE TRAIL, WHICH IS GONNA CONTINUE ACROSS AND BE CONNECTED TO A NEW PERIMETER TRAIL AT FAIR PARK.
AND THAT LAND ON THE CORNER IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REZONED FOR A MULTIFAMILY UNIT.
AND THEN THE REST OF THE BUILDINGS AT EXHIBITION PARK ARE ALL LIVE WORK.
SO PEOPLE ARE THERE 24 HOURS A DAY.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING INTERSECTIONS IS SINCE THOSE ARE SO CLOSE AND THEY INVOLVE TRAIN CROSSING, AND YOU WERE MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A SMOOTHER TRAFFIC CORRIDOR AND THAT THE, THAT SECTION OF PERRY REALLY BACKS UP FOR ALL THE EVENTS AT FAIR PARK BECAUSE THERE'S A PARKING ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE ACROSS FROM THE DART STOP, WHICH PROBABLY SHOULD BE MOVED, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN MOVED SINCE THE TRAIN WENT IN.
UM, BUT IS THAT PART OF YOUR CONSIDERATION? AND I THINK THAT SECTION OF THE STREET ALSO IS ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY FROM HASKELL TO EXPOSITION AS WELL.
SO
AND OUR, UH, UH, WORK, UH, THAT UPCOMING WORK OF UPGRADING OUR, WHAT WE CALL THE DYNAMIC MESSAGE, UH, SIGNS THAT YOU WILL SEE ALL THE OLD ONES KIND OF, THEY'RE NOT WORKING AT THE MOMENT, BUT WE'RE GONNA, UH, PUT 'EM UP AND THEY WILL HAVE THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY ON 'EM WITH ALL CAMERAS AND SENSORS AND ALL THAT STUFF SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING DURING EVENTS FROM THE CONTROL CENTER AND, UM, ALSO BE MEASURING, UH, AND LOOKING AT NEAR MISSES AND HAVING STATISTICAL DATA ON PEOPLE WHO ARE, UH, USING WALKING AND, AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF THAT IS HAPPENING IN THAT AREA, UH, BUT CERTAINLY YOUR, YOUR POINT IS, UH, YOU'RE ON POINT BASICALLY THAT WE HAVE TO OVERLAY WHAT WE HAVE ON THE LIST HERE WITH ALL THESE INITIATIVES THAT ARE HAPPENING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING THE EFFORT.
THUS, WHAT CASTIN HAD MENTIONED, THAT THIS IS THE FIRST KIND OF, UH, UH, LIST, IF YOU WILL, WHICH WILL STILL NEED TO BE REFINED AND SO ON AS WE START OVERLAYING STUFF AND LOOKING AT THINGS FROM, UH, NOT ONLY FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO FROM, UH, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT PUBLIC WORKS HAVE ON IMPROVEMENTS AND SO ON.
IF THEY ARE PART OF THAT PROJECT, THEN WE'LL MAKE IT AS PART OF THAT PROJECT AND, UH, AND, UM, AND REFINE THIS LIST.
AND THEN SORT OF A PART TWO QUESTIONS SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP THE I 30 PROJECT IS, UM, WHETHER THE HIGHWAY GETS SUNK AND WIDENED, IS THAT PART OF YOUR PROCESS AS WELL, PART OF YOUR DECISION? I'M TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF THE BUILDINGS IN DISTRICT SEVEN AS POSSIBLE AND WIDENING THE HIGHWAY, PUT SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS IN JEOPARDY.
UM, SO, UH, THIS IS, UH, PRIMARILY UNDER THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S PURVIEW, AND THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT THE, UH, HIGHWAY ON THE 29TH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AT FIVE 30 WHERE, SO, UM, I'LL GET YOU THE INFORMATION.
I MEAN, I'LL, I CAN TAKE A LOOK HERE, UH, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE THERE.
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UH, THE PROJECT, IF I'M, IF I, BASED ON, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, WILL NET A SURPLUS PROPERTY ON THAT PROJECT, UH, UH, HOWEVER, UH, IT WILL BE A BIT TIGHT IN THE FAIR PARK AREA, BUT THEN, UH, PLENTY OF SURPLUS AS YOU CLEAR, UH, FAIR PARK AREA.UH, PART OF THE REASON IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE EXITS AND ENTRANCE RAMPS INTO THE FAIR PARK AS WELL AS TO BAYLOR, BECAUSE ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE SAFELY TO BAYLOR HOSPITAL FROM THE HO FROM THE AIR, FROM THE FREEWAY, AS WELL AS FROM, UH, FAIR PARK AND TO BAYLOR.
SO, UM, THAT IS A, UH, A KEY, UH, PROVISION AS PART OF THAT, UH, PROJECT IS CONCERNED.
BUT CERTAINLY THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL HAVE, UH, THE INFORMATION, UH, AVAILABLE.
AND, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TO ATTEND AND, AND BE THERE.
I PLAN ON BEING THERE AT LEAST, OR, UH, LOOKING AT IT.
BUT, UH, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE, UM, ONE OF THE KEY OBJECTIVE OF THAT PROJECT IS TO RECONNECT COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN SEPARATED BY THE OVERHEAD.
SO, UH, WE WERE, UH, DE UH, AT LEAST THE CURRENT PLAN IS TO DEPRESS THAT FREEWAY, PUT THE CROSSING, REESTABLISH THE, UH, THE GRID AND, UH, ALLOW FOR POTENTIAL DECK CAPS ON TOP OF THE FREEWAY.
GUS, IS THIS THE 3 45 OR IS THIS NO, THIS, THIS IS THE I 30 COMPLAIN, SO IT'S I 30, NOT THE 3 45.
BUT ALL FOLLOWING THE SAME VERY SIMILAR PROCESS.
SUSAN MORGAN FROM DISTRICT 10.
UH, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.
UM, BUT I HAVE ONE, IF YOU COULD JUST HELP ME IN UNDERSTANDING, AS WE TRY AND ANALYZE THIS FOR OUR DISTRICTS, I'M GOING THROUGH MY MIND.
THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND THERE'S LOTS OF LAYERS TO THIS.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK OF ALL THE INTERSECTIONS IN DISTRICT DISTRICT 10, AND I KNOW IN MY MIND WHAT SOME OF OUR PRIORITIES ARE.
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE EVALUATING IT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, AND I'M TRYING TO SEE HOW THOSE TWO MESH TOGETHER.
SO IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT TOOLS I HAVE TO DO MY ANALYSIS.
I SEE THE, THE LIST THAT WE HAVE HERE, DO WE HAVE THAT ELECTRONICALLY SO THAT WE COULD SORT OUT OUR DISTRICT? OR ARE YOU GONNA SEND THAT TO US? YES, I, UM, JUST SENT IT OUT ELECTRONICALLY.
UM, AND SO THERE'S A WAY TO THEN BE ABLE TO SORT BY COUNCIL DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS, IS, CAN I, WHERE CAN I FIND I, I'M USING THE GIS SYSTEM, I REALIZE YOU'RE UPDATING THAT STILL, BUT, BUT IT'S PRETTY UP TO DATE.
UM, BUT I'M LOOKING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT INTERSECTIONS HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND WHAT ONES ARE IN WORK NOW, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT NEED TO HAVE THEM ON THIS LIST.
SO HOW CAN I COME BY THAT INFORMATION? UM, I CAN SEND THAT OUT AS WELL AFTER THE MEETING.
THERE IS ON THE PUBLIC WORKS', UH, DATA AND MAPS WEBSITE, THERE IS A, UM, I THINK INTERDEPARTMENTAL PROJECTS MAP THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE ACTIVE PROJECTS, INCLUDING TRAFFIC SIGNAL PROJECTS.
UM, IT WON'T SHOW WHAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED, SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO PREPARE A MAP, A FOLLOW UP MAP.
ARE YOU INTERESTED IN WHAT'S BEEN FUNDED FROM THE LAST, THROUGH THE LAST BOND FUNDING? OR JUST, WELL, SHORT OF JUST DRIVING AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEEING IF IT HAS ALL THE INDICATORS THAT YOU CAN, WE, WE CAN GENERATE, WE CAN GENERATE THAT MAP, MATTER OF FACT, WE'LL, WE'LL GENERATE IT FOR ALL THE DISTRICTS AND THEN WE'LL MAKE IT AVAILABLE.
COURTNEY, SPELL DISTRICT NINE? UM, I HAVE JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
ONE AT PUBLIC WORKS LAST WEEK, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID, DEPARTMENTALLY, THEY'RE KICKING THE IDEA AROUND OF SETTING A MINIMUM PER DISTRICT SO THAT YOU HAVE AT LEAST A, UM, A FLOOR FOR WHICH YOU CAN START AND THEN, UM, GO THROUGH THE RANKING FROM THERE.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH YOUR GROUP? ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF THAT? IS THAT NOT WHAT YOU FEEL IS THE BEST ROUTE FORWARD FOR YOUR PARTICULAR AREA OF TRANSPORTATION? INTRAIN? UM, UH, AGAIN, UM, THE WAY I LOOK AT, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION OR TRAFFIC SIGNALS IS I LOOK AT IT STRATEGICALLY.
LIKE I SAID, THE ADVANCED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHEN WE UPGRADED, WE UPGRADED FOR THE ENTIRE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO, UM, UH, SO THIS, I CANNOT UPGRADE ONE SYSTEM FOR ONE DISTRICT AND NOT, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ONE SYSTEM.
THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HIGH ENGINEERING NETWORK OR THE LOCATIONS WHERE, UH, THE, THE WARRANTED THE SIGNALS ARE, UH, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE TO BE STRATEGIC IN THE SENSE THAT IF I HAVE ONE LOCATION
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THAT HAS, UH, AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IS, UM, UH, THAT HAS REC RECORDED FATALITIES OR, UH, CHALLENGES AT, AT ONE SOME OF THESE LOCATIONS, THEN, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO, UH, LOOK AT 'EM, UH, FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT BASED ON OUR, UH, CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE, UH, DEVELOPED NOW, UM, UH, DARREN, UH, UH, MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UH, WOULD THERE BE SOME KIND OF LOOKING AT IT FROM, UH, A PERSPECTIVE OF, OKAY, SO IF SO HAPPENED THAT, UH, ONE DISTRICT GETS, YOU KNOW, 20% BASED ON THE SCORING AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS GETTING LIKE ZERO, UH, 0.5% OR SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME RECALIBRATION, UH, OF THAT.AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT WE MENTIONED HERE IS THIS IS JUST THE FIRST, UH, UH, LIST, UH, TO START THE CONVERSATION AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO ALL THESE OVERLAYING AND, AND SO ON.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT'S HAPPENING ON, IN FAIR PARK, BECAUSE LIKE SOME OF THESE SIGNALS MAY BE IN THE PRIORITY LIST, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE COVERED BY ANOTHER PROJECT, SO THEN I HAVE TO REMOVE THEM AND THEN WE'LL SLIDE MORE PROJECTS IN.
SO, UM, NO, I MEAN, YOUR POINT IS, IS WELL TAKEN AND IS IS ON POINT AND, AND THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, EVALUAT CLOSER EVALUATION OF, UH, OF THAT.
IN REGARDS TO THE, THE WARRANTED, IS IT A SAFE ASSUMPTION THAT IF YOU'VE IDENTIFIED A WARRANTED NEED FOR A NEW, UM, UH, INTERSECTION, ESSENTIALLY IS, IS IT, IS IT FAIR TO ASSUME THAT SAFETY IS DRIVING THAT DECISION VERSUS CONVENIENCE? RIGHT? IT MAY BE INCONVENIENT TO MAKE A RIGHT AND THEN MAKE A U-TURN AND GO BACK AND NOT NECESSARILY BE AN ISSUE ABOUT SAFETY VERSUS, AND SOME OTHER ONES, SO, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO RO, BUT RO HAD MENTIONED THAT WE CANNOT INSTALL A TRAFFIC OR RELEASE OR AUTHORIZE THE INSTALLATION OF A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WITHOUT MEETING FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE WARRANT.
SO IT'S NOT, THAT WAS NINE THINGS.
AND WHAT ARE THOSE NINE THINGS? AND IF HE, HE CAN SEND THEM OUT.
YEAH, WE CAN SEND YOU, WE CAN SEND YOU THE LIST, BUT THE, THE POINT BEING IS IT'S NOT UP TO ME, FOR EXAMPLE, TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND SAY, NO, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.
I JUST WANNA KNOW IF IT'S SAFE TO ASSUME THAT SAFETY IS THE DRI THE HIGHEST DRIVING MOTIVATOR BEHIND IDENTIFYING A NEW WARRANTED SIGNAL.
AND, UH, THE WHOLE PRE PREMISE OF LOOKING AT TRAFFIC VOLUMES IS WHEN YOU HAVE HIGH VOLUMES TRYING TO USE THE SAME SPACE OF AN INTERSECTION, YOU NEED TO ALLOCATE RIGHT AWAY, OTHERWISE YOU'LL GET INTO COLLISIONS.
AND THE OTHER, UH, OTHER TWO MAIN, UH, FACTORS THAT WE USE, YOU KNOW, IN THE, UH, DETERMINING THE WARRANT ARE CRASHES.
THERE'S AN ESTABLISHED, UH, HISTORY OF CRASHES THAT CAN BE PREVENTED BY INSTALLING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THEN PEDESTRIAN AND, UH, VEHICLE CONFLICT.
SO FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PEDESTRIAN.
SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WHEN WE LOOK AT, AND THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION CHAIR.
UH, THE, THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE NEEDS, WHY ARE WE RANKING THIS BY ANYTHING OTHER THAN SAFETY? WHY, WHY WOULDN'T WE START WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBER? WHAT WOULD CONCEIVABLY BE THE MOST DANGEROUS AND WORK BACKWARDS? RIGHT? AND I MEAN, WE CURRENTLY ONLY HAVE ONE SIGNAL ON THAT LIST THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT MET THE SAFETY WARRANT.
I THINK ALL OF THE OTHER ONES MET THE TRAFFIC VOLUME WARRANT.
I THINK SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE UPGRADES.
SO YES, I MOVED FROM THAT ONE TO THE UPGRADES.
SO IF, WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, SO I HEAR YOUR POINT.
UM, IN TERMS OF THAT, OF THAT LIST, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S ONE THAT WAS BASED ON SAFETY, THE OTHER ONES ARE BASED ON TRAFFIC VOLUME, I E, CONVENIENCE OR PEDESTRIAN.
SO ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES THOUGH, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MOTIVATION OF SAFETY, WHY WOULDN'T WE RANK THESE BASED ON ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE SAFETY SCORE STARTING WITH THE HIGHEST NUMBER, WHICH ONE WOULD ASSUME MEANT IT WAS THE MOST DANGEROUS, DANGEROUS WITH THE HIGHEST LETHALITY? I CAN OFFER SOME EXAMPLES OF WHY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHY YOU MIGHT VALUE SOME OF THE FACTORS UNDER ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY.
SO ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO WALK AND BIKE.
AND SO WHILE IT MIGHT NOT HAVE THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SAFETY, IT'S ALSO A CITY PRIORITY TO, UM, ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO WALK AND BIKE AND TAKE TRANSIT FOR TRANSPORTATION.
UM, TRANSIT HAS BEEN SHOWN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY WAYS TO IMPROVE TRANSIT ATTRACTIVENESS IS TO PROVIDE SORT OF PROGRESSIVE SIGNAL TIMING FOR BUSES TO PROVIDE BETTER PEDESTRIAN UM, ACCESSIBILITY FEATURES.
UH, TO PROVIDE, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, BICYCLE FACILITIES, IT MIGHT THINK, NEED THINGS LIKE BICYCLE SIGNALS TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF UNIQUE AND SORT OF SEPARATED
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PHASING FOR BICYCLISTS.SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS FOR THOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IF THE KID, IF THE CITY IS TRYING TO, UM, BASICALLY REVITALIZE AN AREA, ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA, ONE OF THE KEY WAYS TO DO THAT IS BY MAKING INVESTMENTS IN INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, AND I, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT THE OVERLAYS SHOW US, RIGHT? CAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THESE OVERLAYS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON TOP OF IT.
UM, CAN WE SPEND JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES ON THIS MEMO THAT I JUST PASSED AROUND JUST TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT? CAUSE I'M SURE THAT THE BIGGER COMMITTEE IS GONNA ASK ME HERE WHEN I GO DOWN THERE.
UM, THIS WAS A, THIS WAS A, SOMETHING THAT GUS ALLUDED TO AND WHY HE TOOK THE ORIGINAL DEPARTMENT REQUEST, WHICH WAS 176 MILLION DOWN TO, UH, IT IS NOW A POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT IT COULD BE 50 MILLION, UM, OR 48 MILLION ACCORDING TO THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK.
UM, BUT THIS GOES ALL THROUGH THE DIFFERENT BRO BOND PROPOSITIONS AND, AND THINGS THAT GOES ON TO STREETS AS WELL.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS TO THAT AS TO, NOW THAT WE'VE LISTENED TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, SIGNAL LIGHTS AND AS SUCH, UH, TODAY THE NEEDS VERSUS WHAT THE POSSIBLE SCENARIO IS, DO YOU THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT? DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION IF THAT IS AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT, OR DO YOU NEED OTHER INFORMATION? UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO, TO GIVE OUR, I GUESS, TAKE A VOTE OR SOMETHING AT THE END OF THIS AND TELL THEM EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT NUMBER, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE FOR STAFF TO GET SOME IDEA.
GO AHEAD, JENNIFER GRANTHAM, DISTRICT SEVEN, I WILL SAY THAT MY DISTRICT'S PRIORITIES FROM OUR LAST TOWN HALL MEETING ARE STREETS AND HOUSING.
SO MANY OF MY RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR HOUSING IN MY DISTRICT, AND A LITTLE BIT LESS IN STREETS COMPARATIVELY FOR THOSE BIG NUMBERS.
THIS SAYS CANDACE IRVIN, UH, FROM DISTRICT 13.
SIMILARLY, THERE IS A, UH, PRESENTATION THAT THE CITY HAD, UM, SURVEYS DONE THAT SHOW THE PRIORITIES FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
AND PRETTY MUCH UNIVERSALLY, THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN WAS STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION FOR EVERY DISTRICT FOLLOWED BY POLICING.
I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE VARIATIONS, BUT I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY, SO I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE THAT DATA WITH THIS DECISION.
I'M SORRY, CANDACE, WHERE DID YOU SAY THAT YOU GOT THAT INFORMATION FROM? UM, IT WAS SENT OUT BY MY, UH, CITY COUNCIL PERSON, AND THAT WAS, THERE'S A BRIEFING ABOUT IT TOMORROW.
OH, THERE'S, IT IS, IT IS POSTED ONLINE IN THE COMMUNITY SURVEY.
SO IT'S JUST THIS DECISION OR THIS LEANING OR RECOMMENDATION, I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO CALL IT, VERSUS THE DATA THAT SHOWS WHAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT DON'T SEEM TO BE ALIGNED.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONING.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER THAT AND THEN, AND THE STAFF WOULD SAY YEAH.
I MEANT AS FEEDBACK TO TAKE DOWN.
I WAS AT DISTRICT ELEVENS AND MOST OF IT WAS ABOUT STREET, AND SOME OF IT WAS ABOUT PARKS.
UM, WAS THE SURVEY RESULT AVAILABLE BEFORE COUNSEL GAVE THEIR ALLOCATION, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, OR, YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THE TIMING.
IS THAT, IS THAT POSSIBLE? UH, I DON'T KNOW.
UH, I KNOW IT IS ON COUNCIL BRIEFING TOMORROW.
SO, UH, IT IS, AND THE MATERIAL IS POSTED ONLINE.
AND ALSO, UH, JENNY SAID JUST A LITTLE, UH, A LITTLE WHILE AGO THAT, UM, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ANSWERED THE SURVEYS WELL THERE.
AND SHE'S TRYING TO BUMP THAT UP BY GETTING IT OUT IN VARIOUS MEANSES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, SO ON, SO FORTH.
SO IF YOU WANT TO GET THAT OUT TO YOUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, BE SURE YOU CONTACT JENNIFER AND, UM, SHE CAN GIVE YOU THAT LINK.
UM, AS A MATTER OF FACT, CAN WE JUST SEND THE LINK OUT TO THE, TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS SO THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT AND YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW IF THAT'S FULLY REPRESENTATIVE OF, OF THE ENTIRE CITY.
I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH JENNIFER, BECAUSE OUR DISTRICT 12 MEETINGS FOR THE BOND INPUT WAS JUST THURS THIS PAST THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, AND WE ARE HAVING ANOTHER INPUT MEETING WITH COUNCIL AND MENDELSSOHN ON MONDAY.
SO, YEAH, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE SURVEY IS, EXCUSE ME, IT IS, THEY HIRED A THIRD PARTY FIRM TO GO
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AND DO A PHONE SURVEY, AND THEY TALKED TO OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE FROM EVERY DISTRICT, IF I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THAT'S OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.BUT IT DID SEEM STA STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT TO ME IN WHAT THEY COLLECTED.
I'M SORRY, CANDACE, I COULDN'T QUITE HEAR YOU.
DID YOU SAY THEY HAVE DONE THAT BY PHONE ALREADY OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE CONTRACT TO DO THAT? YES.
THAT, THAT IS WHAT THE DATA IS SHOWING YOU? YES.
AND IT COMPARES HOW WE RELATE OTHER CITIES.
SO THEY HAVE HIRED A THIRD PARTY TO GO OUT AND DO THAT, AND THAT IS WHAT THE PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE SHOWING, IS WHAT THAT THIRD PARTY CONCLUDED.
SO THEY HIRED A, UH, CONSULTANT WHO MADE PHONE CALLS TO 85 YEAR OLDS WHO WERE SITTING AT HOME BECAUSE NOBODY ANSWERS THEIR PHONES, CORRECT? RIGHT.
I MEAN, I DID GET THE SURVEY ONLINE, AND I DID DO IT ONLINE A FEW WEEKS AGO, SO I, IT'S NOT JUST BY PHONE.
THEY DID HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO DO, BUT I'M PRESIDENT OF OUR HOA AND I NOT HAD THIS FORWARDED TO ME TO GET OUT TO ANY OF OUR MEMBERSHIP.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE SENDING THIS TO.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU A LINK SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN, CAN HAVE THAT HAVE EQUAL REPRESENTATION.
MA DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I'M, I HAD A QUESTION, BUT YOU KEEP GOING ON JUST, OH, OKAY.
SO LET'S DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE THAT THE, THERE HAS BEEN A SURVEY THAT WE CAN SEE YET AND EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET THAT INFORMATION.
AND THEN AFTER YOU GET THAT INFORMATION, DO, DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE IN HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE AT THE END OF THIS WE'RE GONNA HA, AREN'T WE GONNA HAVE TO SUGGEST THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE WANT IN, IN BOTH CATEGORIES, BOTH STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM US? OKAY.
ROBERT PETTIS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING TO THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE TO, UH, RECOMMEND, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNTS PER PROPOSITION.
UH, WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, IF YOU HAVE THE MEMO IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, IS, UH, THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION THAT WAS, UH, IDENTIFIED, UH, BY THE, UH, BOND OFFICE, UH, BACK IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
UM, WE HAVE TAKEN, UH, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WE HAVE SURVEYED, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO GIVE US, UM, UH, WHERE THEY FEEL THE ALLOCATIONS, UH, SHOULD STAND.
UM, THAT'S, UH, I THINK, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SECOND TO LAST COLUMN, UH, IN THAT MEMO.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, TAKEN, WHAT, WHAT WAS, I GUESS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED WITH COUNCIL FEEDBACK, UH, AND THEN, UH, INPUT FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UH, WHICH IS THE, UM, WHICH IS THE LAST COLUMN IN THAT MEMO, UH, THAT HAS THE, THE ALLOCATIONS AS IS ASK JENNY TO JOIN US, UH, TO, UM, TO HELP CLARIFY THE, UH, SURVEY, UH, INFORMATION THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
ONE SECOND, UH, MR. ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.
UM, SO WHILE WE HAVE YOU HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THIS MEETING, WE APPRECIATE IT.
UM, IF WE, IF WE GIVE YOU A DOLLAR AMOUNT, THEN WILL YOU HAVE THAT IN A SEPARATE COLUMN AS WELL? YES, MA'AM.
WE CAN CREATE ANOTHER COLUMN SIMILAR TO THIS.
WELL, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SURVEY AND WE REALLY WEREN'T SURE WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICTING INFORMATION.
SO I THINK IT'S THE ONE THAT I REFERENCED, UH, EARLIER BEFORE THE MEETING.
I JUST FORWARDED YOU THE PRESENTATION, LINDA.
SO ON THE BOND AND CONSTRUCTION WEBSITE, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE A LINK TO AN OVERALL SURVEY THAT OUR, UH, OUR D B I GROUP HAS PUT TOGETHER.
IT'S A GENERAL SURVEY, IT KIND OF, UM, TRYING TO PRIORITIZE BIG PICTURE.
SO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE STREETS OR PARKS KIND OF AT THAT LEVEL? UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT, EXCUSE ME, TO THE PUBLIC.
SO I THINK WE, UM, HOPING TO GET A LOT OF RESPONSES.
RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE JUST SITTING AT A HUNDRED.
UM, BUT IF WE COULD GET A LOT MORE THAN THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY HELP.
UM, I THINK WHAT CANDACE WAS SAYING WAS THAT THERE WAS A THIRD PARTY AND IT WAS HIRED TO DO A PHONE SURVEY.
AND IS THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ONLINE SURVEYS? HOW, HOW DID THOSE TWO MIX? I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.
I THINK, I THINK I'M, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO SURVEYS.
ONE IS WHAT, THE ONE THAT IS BEING SHOWN TOMORROW, WHICH IS THE CITYWIDE SURVEY THAT WAS HANDLED BY A THIRD PARTY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE, UH, BOND MONEY.
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NO, THE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE YEAH.GONNA BE SHOWN TOMORROW, WHICH IS THE COMMUNITY SURVEY, BUT, BUT JUST PRESENTATION.
JENNY, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC PLEASE? I HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED ANY INFORMATION ABOUT A THIRD PARTY SURVEY, SO I CAN FOLLOW UP AND, AND THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
SO THE TWO SURVEYS THAT, THAT WE ARE AWARE OF ARE THIS ONE HERE, UH, WHICH JENNY, UH, JUST REFERENCED, IS BEING MANAGED THROUGH OUR, UH, DATA AND BUSINESS ANALYTICS GROUP.
UM, THAT'S ON THE BONDS WEBSITE.
THE OTHER SURVEY, WHICH IS THE BASIS FOR THE ALLOCATIONS THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE CITY COUNCIL SURVEY, UH, THAT WE, UH, SOUGHT INPUT ON THE, UH, BOND ALLOCATIONS FROM.
SO THE TABLE IS THE CITY COUNCIL, IT'S THE AVERAGE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FEEDBACK, UH, AND, UH, I GUESS MESHED WITH THE ORIGINAL BOND ALLOCATIONS.
THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED TOMORROW, UH, IN COUNCIL.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU.
THE OTHER SURVEY, AS JENNY MENTIONED, UH, IS BEING RUN THROUGH, UH, UH, DATA BUSINESS ANALYTICS, AND WE HAVE 100, UH, RESPONSES APPROXIMATELY AS OF TODAY.
THOSE ARE THE TWO SURVEYS THAT ARE OUT THERE.
IS THAT CAN CLEAR THAT UP OR IS THERE SOMEBODY WANTS SUSAN, SUSAN MORGAN FROM DISTRICT.
CAN CAN YOU CLARIFY THE, THE SURVEY THAT, NOT THE CITY COUNCIL ONE? THE OTHER SURVEY IS THAT THE PAPER SURVEY THAT'S BEEN HANDED OUT AT THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS.
AND SO YOU'VE COLLECTED A HUNDRED SO FAR FROM THE VARIOUS TOWN HALLS.
AND SO YEAH, SO IF SOMEBODY HANDED US BACK THE PAPER THAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED COUNT.
SO IT'S, IT'S, MOST OF IT'S BEEN VIRTUAL, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TAKING THE PAPER COPIES IN THANK YOU SURVEY.
IT DOES SAY THAT IT'S COMPANY THAT CANDACE.
CANDACE, CAN YOU WAIT JUST ONE SECOND? JUST ONE SECOND.
I'VE GOTTA GO DOWNSTAIRS TO THE LARGER BOND COMMITTEE.
UM, COURTNEY'S GONNA TAKE OVER AND COURTNEY, WOULD YOU CALL ON CANDACE, PLEASE? Y YES, OF COURSE.
UM, THE SURVEY THAT I WAS REFERENCING, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS DONE BY A GROUP CALLED E T C, UM, AND THEY DID MAIL ONLINE AND PHONE RANDOMLY SELECTED SAMPLE OF HOUSEHOLDS IN THE CITY.
UM, THERE ARE NEARLY 1500 COMPLETED SURVEYS WITH OVER A HUNDRED PER CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT.
UM, AND SO YOU CAN LOOK AT HOW MANY ARE BY YOUR DISTRICT AS WELL AS THE RESULTING RATINGS FOR HOW PEOPLE VIEW QUALITY OF LIFE, AND THEN WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR THEM.
SO A QUESTION THAT I HAVE THEN, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGERS, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO OUR GROUP HOW THESE TWO ARE SUPPOSED TO INTERSECT? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE, WE'VE GOT KIND OF TWO INPUTS GOING PARALLEL, UM, ONE WHICH MAY BE INCLUDED IN THE, THE BUDGETING PROCESS AS OPPOSED TO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT.
SO HOW, HOW DO YOU WANT US TO TAKE IN THIS INFORMATION? SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD IMAGINE, MA'AM, IS THAT, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE SURVEY THAT COUNCIL, UH, HAS GIVEN, UM, THAT WE'VE SURVEYED COUNCIL, UH, WE, WE WANNA SHOW THAT SO THAT THE COMMITTEES CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THE COUNCIL, UM, WHERE WHERE THEIR PRIORITIES LIE.
UM, AND THEN THAT, THAT'S FOR REFERENCE.
UH, AND THEN THE, UH, OPEN SURVEY, THIS ONE HERE IS ALSO SHARED WITH COMMITTEES AND SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, WHERE THE PUBLIC'S, UH, UM, PRIORITIES LIE.
SO, UH, WE'RE JUST, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE DATA POINTS.
UM, AND, AND FOR, FOR THE COMMITTEE'S, UH, CONSIDERATION, I, IS THERE, UM, ANY, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS MORE BROUGHT UP IS THAT WE'VE DONE A LOT OF, UH, SURVEYING AROUND FORT DALLAS AND HOW PEOPLE ENVISION THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE FUTURE.
IT, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK I, I DOUBT I'M THE ONLY ONE STRUGGLING WITH THE OVERLAPPING IN SOME OF THESE THAT ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH PERHAPS ABOUT WHAT THE, UH, DATA AND ANALYTICS DEPARTMENT DO, BUT IS THERE A WAY FOR THEM TO SYNTHESIZE ALL OF THIS INPUT TO THEMATICALLY BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE A SENSE OF IMPORTANCE AS OPPOSED TO VIEWING THEM ALL SEPARATELY SINCE THEY ASK QUESTIONS TO GUIDE PEOPLE IN A, A CERTAIN WAY, NOT NECESSARILY WITH THEIR OPINION, BUT THEY'RE SEEKING SIMILAR THINGS THAT ARE JUST DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT I, I, I MEAN, WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL TO OTHER PEOPLE? OKAY.
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WHAT, AND JUST DISCUSSING THIS, I DON'T WANT TO, UM, COMMIT OUR, OUR DATA ANALYTICS GROUPS, ANYTHING, IS THAT A DIFFERENT CITY, CITY MANAGERSO I THINK THERE WILL BE SOME, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, BASIC, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, TRENDS OR, OR, OR DATA.
UH, SO THAT MAYBE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW, MAY, MAYBE IN DISTRICT 14, IT, IT'LL SHOW THAT STREETS ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO THEM, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE BECAUSE DISTRICT 14 HAS THE WORST STREETS IN THE CITY.
UM, MAYBE PARKS IS MORE IMPORTANT TO DISTRICT THREE BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOOD STREETS, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE AS MANY PARKS.
SO THERE, THERE WILL BE SOME, THERE WILL BE SOME, UM, INFERENCES THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO PULL, UH, FROM THAT DATA.
UM, AND, AND I MEAN, WE HAVE VERY SMART PEOPLE IN THAT GROUP, SO I'M SURE THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
SO I THINK ONE THING THAT WOULD, WOULD HELP IS IF WE EACH ADVOCATE OR, OR REQUEST THROUGH BOTH, UM, COUNSEL FOR OUR DISTRICTS AS WELL AS THE APPOINTEE ON THE MAIN, UH, CITIZENS BOND TASK FORCE TO REQUEST THAT INFORMATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE ONLY GROUP, BUT I KNOW TOO, IN TERMS OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CHAIR SEEKING OUR INPUT IN REGARDS TO THE, THE BREAKDOWN, UM, AND NOBODY ARGUES OR AS OPPOSED TO PARKS AND NOBODY ARGUES OR IS OPPOSED TO CULTURAL FACILITIES, RIGHT? QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES ARE IMPORTANT.
UM, BUT WHAT I AM STRUGGLING WITH A LITTLE BIT IS HOW WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT IF WE HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED BASIC SAFETY.
AND I THINK A PART OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION IS, UM, MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE PERHAPS THAN IS BEING COMMUNICATED.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO LOSE IN THE CONVERSATION.
I MEAN, OF COURSE NOBODY LIKES DRIVING ON STREETS RIDDLED WITH POTHOLES BECAUSE IT'S ANNOYING, RIGHT? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT, AND, AND, AND IT IS EXPENSIVE IN TERMS OF ITS MAINTENANCE AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT, BUT I STILL DON'T KNOW HOW WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED, UH, GREATER SAFETY AROUND IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, SAFETY FOR THE PEDESTRIANS AS WELL AS SAFETY FOR, YOU KNOW, DRIVERS, COMMUTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THINGS I INTEND TO COMMUNICATE TO, TO COUNCIL AS, AS THE NEED TO REALLY DRIVE THAT DECISION.
DO WE HAVE ANY FINAL THOUGHTS, DARREN? UM, YEAH, COURTNEY, GOING BACK TO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCORING THAT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WARRANTED SIGNALS, YOU KNOW, IT'S EQUALLY WEIGHTED BETWEEN ENVIRONMENTAL, SUSTAINABILITY, ECONOMIC VI, VITALITY, AND SAFETY AS IF THEY'RE EQUAL.
AND, AND I THINK I'M ON THE SAME PAGE WITH YOU THAT MM-HMM.
THE ISSUE PORSCHE BROUGHT UP, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING TO DO WITH ECONOMIC VITALITY, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LIVES, RIGHT? SO I I'M WITH YOU ON THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW TO, HOW TO CHANGE THE SCORING, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
WE, UH, IT'S STILL, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE CHANGES.
THIS, THIS IS THE FEEDBACK THAT WE NEED.
BASICALLY, IF, IF THE PREFERENCE OF THIS SUBCOMMITTEE IS TO ALTER THE, UH, UH, THE WAITING CRITERIA, I MEAN, THIS IS THE TIME TO GET IT DONE AND, AND, UH, GET INPUT.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE STARTED WITH A STARTING POINT FOR THE DISCUSSION, AND THEN THIS IS TIME TO KIND OF, TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS.
AND, AND ON THAT, THAT SAME TOPIC, SORRY IF I'M KEEP GOING HERE.
UM, WHAT IS IT GONNA TAKE FOR DATA AND ANALYTICS TO GET THOSE ADDITIONAL SCORES SO THAT WE CAN BE WORKING WITH A COMPLETE SET OF DATA? WE'RE FOUR MEETINGS INTO THIS, WHICH IS ABOUT HALFWAY THROUGH.
WE STILL HAVE A COMPLETE SET OF DATA FROM THOSE GUYS.
UM, SO ARE YOU SPEAKING TO THE SUR THE SURVEYS? UH, NO, TO THE, UH, THE 20 FOR THE STREETS AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND EVERYTHING.
THE EQUITY OVERLAYS ARE STILL NOT FACTORED IN ON THIS.
SO, SO THE, THE ACTUAL RANKING, UH, IT'S, UH, IT IS A, UM, COMPUTERIZED PROCESS.
I MEAN, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN A FEW DAYS.
UH, WHERE I THINK THAT WE NEED, WHERE WE NEED, UM, TO DO, UH, WHAT WE NEED TO COMPLETE IS ACTUAL, UH, NEEDS INVENTORY FINALIZATION, UH, WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS.
UM, AND SO, UH, I'LL TELL YOU THAT, UM, OUR LAST DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT A AUGUST TIMEFRAME, UH, TO GET THAT COMPLETED.
UM, I WILL WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO EXPEDITE THAT TO SEE HOW WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT.
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UM, BUT NO, I, I COMPLETELY, I COMPLETELY HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO US LAST TIME.
UM, WAS THAT, THAT AT LEAST FOR STREETS, TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC WORKS, THEY HAVE DONE ALL THEIR SCORING FOR THE NEEDS INVENTORY, AND THEY ARE JUST WAITING ON THE EQUITY SCORE AND, UH, WHATEVER THAT O OVERLAY SCORE IS, AND THAT'S, THEY'VE DONE THEIR WORK.
IT'S THAT OTHER GROUP THAT HAS THAT LAST 20% THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON.
UM, AND AT THE LAST MEETING, THEY SAID THEY HAD HOPED TO HAVE IT THIS WEEK, AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT.
IF YOU WOULD, SIR, ALLOW ME TO FINALIZE THAT.
LET, LET, LET ME CIRCLE BACK WITH THE GROUPS AND I'LL, I'LL RESPOND TO THIS COMMITTEE WITH AN EMAIL.
MARK, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I HAD A QUICK QUESTION FROM BEFORE.
GUS ON THIS WARRANTED LIGHTS FROM THE LIST THAT SAYS UPGRADE NEEDS INVENTORY, DRAFT ARE WARRANTED LIGHTS ON THAT, ARE THEY JUST NOT IDENTIFIED? OR IS IT JUST ON THIS LIST OF NEW WARRANTED FLIGHTS? THERE? I THINK YOU'RE, THE QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE A LIST FOR WARRANTED SIGNAL LOCATION? YEAH, I THINK WE DO.
IS IT, ARE THEY ON THE LIST OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS? MARA, IT IT IS HERE ONE, IT'S IDENTIFIED IN THIS ONE.
HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF THIS IS IT THE ONE THAT THE SHEET THAT SAYS TRAFFIC SIGNALS UPGRADE NEEDS INVENTORY? YEAH.
SO THOSE ARE EXISTING, THE OTHER ONE UNDER EXISTING? NO, THAT ALL, I MEAN, IF IT EXISTS, IT IS WARRANTED.
IF IT IS, IF THE SIGNAL EXISTS, IT HAS BEEN WARRANTED FOR IT TO EXIST.
THAT CLARIFICATION, I, I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT.
YEAH, NO, NO SIGNAL EXISTS WITHOUT A WARRANT.
SO SUSAN, WHAT YOU WERE ASKING IS, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE LISTS.
UH, THE WARRANTED SIGNALS ARE THE INTERSECTIONS, WHICH DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A SIGNAL.
SO THESE ARE NEW LOCATIONS AND THE UPGRADE LIST, UH, LIKE JESS SAID, EXISTING SIGNALS THAT WERE WARRANTED PREVIOUSLY, BUT NEED UPGRADE.
SUSAN, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I JUST HAD ONE FINAL COMMENT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.
UM, I THINK I'M ONE OF THE FEW PEOPLE THAT WAS HERE DURING THE 2017 BOND.
I WANTED TO CIRCLE BACK TO SOMETHING THAT GUS SAID EARLIER, AND I, I WANNA APPLAUD THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT FOR THIS BECAUSE BACK IN 2017, THE, IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN THIS CITY WERE DIRE.
THE STREETS WERE REALLY IN BAD SHAPE.
AND THE, THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH SOON AS THERE WAS A RAINSTORM, TRAFFIC CAME TO A STANDSTILL BECAUSE OF ALL THE SIGNAL LIGHT FAILURES THAT THERE WERE.
UH, I, IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR THE NUMBERS.
I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC THAT WE'VE MADE THAT KIND OF PROGRESS.
ARE WE WHERE WE NEED TO BE OR WANNA BE? I MEAN, LOOK AT THE, THE DEPTH OF THAT NEEDS INVENTORY LIST.
SO WHAT I'M WONDERING IS IF MAYBE WE ARE COMBATING, UH, MAYBE, UH, THOSE THAT WERE HERE BEFORE SAYING, WELL, WE DID TRANSPORTATION LAST TIME, NOW IT'S TIME TO TURN OUR ATTENTION TO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY GONNA NEED TO DO ZERO-BASED BUDGET IN HERE AND SAY, OKAY, WELL, OKAY, THE INVENTORY, I MEAN THE, THE NEEDS IN INFRASTRUCTURE ARE STILL THERE.
SO ANYWAY, JUST SOME THOUGHTS FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
AND I THINK ONE, UH, ONE OF THE FINAL THOUGHTS, A QUESTION I HAVE IS AROUND, UH, SCHEDULING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AS WE LOOK, CUZ AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE SCHEDULE WOULD INDICATE THAT WE HAVE NO MEETINGS IN JULY.
UM, SO THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE OBVIOUSLY WE WANNA TAKE THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED TONIGHT, KIND OF LET IT MARINATE.
BUT WHAT IS THE TIMELINE IN TERMS OF, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR THE, THE BOND OFFICE, AS WE LOOK AT THE REST OF THESE DATES, ARE YOU ADJUSTING THEM BASED UPON WHEN WE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING INFORMATION VERSUS, UM, WHEN IT'S PERHAPS PROMISED OR COMMUNICATED? AND TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF NECESSARILY SAYING SOMETHING WILL BE READY AND IT, AND NOT HAVING IT.
IT'S JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WILL WE BE EXTENDING THE TIMELINE OR ARE WE COMPRESSING IT TOWARDS THE END? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, ALI MENTIONED AT OUR LAST MEETING WAS CONSIDERATION OF A MEETING IN JULY.
UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE IN, IN THE CITY'S BEST INTEREST IF THEY COMMUNICATE WHAT DATES THEY'RE TARGETING SO THAT WE CAN FIND OUT IF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS SOMETHING WE CAN GAIN A CRITICAL MASS AROUND.
THE OTHER THING, UH, TO YOUR POINT, UM, AND THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY WERE SEEKING AND ARE PUSHING FOR PERHAPS A MODIFICATION OF WEIGHTING FACTORS, UM, I ASSUME YOU WANT THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
DO WE NEED TO MEET SOONER RATHER THAN LATER? OR
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TO PROVIDE THAT INPUT? DO YOU WANT IT SINGULARLY, DO YOU WANT IT AS A COLLECTIVE? WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE? GREAT QUESTIONS.COLLECTIVELY, YES, WE'D WANT IT COLLECTIVELY AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT SCHEDULES AND, UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES ARE LOOKING AT HAVING A JULY, UM, MEETING JUST BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH INFORMATION TO DIGEST AND TO, TO LOOK AT AND TO, TO TALK ABOUT.
SO THAT'S CERTAINLY, IF THE, UM, IF THE NEEDS INVENTORY HAS BEEN FINALIZED AND ALL THE POINTS HAVE BEEN DONE, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION.
AUGUST 22ND MEETING IS, IS OUR LAST SCHEDULED MEETING, AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO HOLD THAT IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT I AM LOOKING AT, AT AN ALTERNATIVE IF THAT, IF THAT MEETING IS NEEDED JUST FOR, EXCUSE ME, FOR THE RE REVIEW THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I, THAT MEETING INITIALLY WAS GOING TO BE A SUMMARY OF WRAP UP HERE AND THEN GO TALK TO THE MAIN TASK FORCE ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT WERE DECIDED.
UM, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ON THE 22ND, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO, TO LOOK AT AT WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT ABSOLUTELY YOU NEED THE, THE DATA BEFORE YOU CAN REALLY DIVE INTO IT.
JUST, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE, WE STILL HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN THE FIRST PASS OF ANY KIND OF THE STREETS NEEDS, AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS EQUATION.
AND IF YOU'RE SAYING WE ONLY HAVE TWO MEETINGS AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF THE INFORMATION YET.
NO, WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE 22ND.
CAN, I'M SORRY, CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION? UH, I'M DEREK WHITE.
I AM THE, UH, INTERIM ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, I WANT TO ADDRESS YOUR COMMENT, MR. DARREN, MR. I, I CAN'T SEE YOUR LAST NAME, BUT, UM, AS FAR AS THE, UH, IT'S VERY EASY.
JUST FROM THE LAST MEETING THAT WE DISCUSSED, UH, WE DISCUSSED THE ALLEYS, THE BRIDGES AND, AND THE SIDEWALKS, UH, FOR THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
FOR THOSE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES, WE DID FINALIZE THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA SCORING, BUT WE HAVE NOT, UH, FINALIZED, UH, THE, UH, NEEDS INVENTORY FOR STREETS.
THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE STILL PROCESSING THAT DATA AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THE PAVING MODEL TO COMPLETE.
AND IT TAKES ABOUT A MONTH TO RUN THAT PAVING MODEL.
SO OUR CONSULTANT IS RUNNING THE PAVING MODEL.
WE EXPECT TO HAVE THOSE RESULTS BY THE END OF THIS MONTH OR EARLY NEXT, NEXT MONTH IN JULY.
SO THE FIRST WEEK OF JULY, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE THE STREETS, UM, COMPLETED, UH, AS FAR AS THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT WE NEED IN ORDER FOR US TO COMPLETE THE PRIORITY SCORING, UH, ONCE WE RECEIVE THE, UH, DATA FROM THE PAVING MODEL.
SO WITH THAT SAID, WE, WE PLAN IT, IT AND I, WE MAY TAKE A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR STAFF TO ACTUALLY QA THAT DATA AND THEN GO THROUGH THE, UH, PRIORITY SCORING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, COMPUTER GENERATED, UH, SCORING.
SO THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T TAKE REALLY TOO LONG, BUT MAYBE ABOUT TWO WEEKS.
UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M ESTIMATING.
AND THEN, UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AROUND WHAT, JULY 17TH, 13 OR 17? 13 OR 17.
SO WE'RE STILL DEBATING DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'LL DATE WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND WE RANKING IT MM-HMM.
I, I UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU ALREADY HAVE IN MIND THOUGH TWO DATES, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GO ON AHEAD AND COMMUNICATE THAT BECAUSE THEN WE COULD PUT A PLACEHOLDER ON THERE AND ATTEMPT TO SCHEDULE AROUND IT, I THINK WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WE'LL HAVE A REALLY NEGATIVE RESPONSE OR REPLY AS IF IT'S SENT WITH, YOU KNOW, ONLY A WEEK OR SO NOTICE.
AND PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE IT BECAUSE AT THAT POINT YOU'VE GOT AN ENTIRE DISTRICT THAT FEELS AS THOUGH WHAT, YOU KNOW, YOU VOLUNTEERED TO DO THIS, WHY AREN'T YOU THERE REPRESENTING OUR INTERESTS? YOU KNOW, WE, AND WE WANT TO, SO WE GET IT.
WE ARE TRYING TO RELATE, UM, GIVE YOU AS MUCH TIME HERE.
HOWEVER, WE ALSO JUST, WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE A COMMITMENT ON A SPECIFIC DATE AND NOT SEE THAT DATE.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY JUST WAITING ON END OF JUNE CAUSE WE'RE EXPECTING THE DATA ON END OF JUNE.
SO IF WE RECEIVE THE DATA RIGHT ON TIME, END OF JUNE, THAT MAKE DATE, SO WE WILL START INNOVATION.
THAT'S THE ONLY
THAT MAY BE, UH, THE DATE THAT
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WE'RE LOOKING FOR.WE START TALKING ABOUT PLEASE AND PROVIDE, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO BASED ON THAT, THE AUGUST 22ND ONLY LAST MEETING TO BASICALLY SOMEONE OUT THERE.
SO ONE THING I THINK THIS COMMITTEE CAN COMMIT TO DOING IS IF YOU WILL STILL GIVE US A HEADS UP OR A PLACEHOLDER THAT WE CAN PUT ON THE CALENDAR, WE PROMISE WE WON'T USE IT AGAINST YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND, AND THAT FEELS TO ME LIKE A FAIR, UH, ABSOLUTELY YES.
PARTNERSHIP AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
CUZ I UNDERSTAND THE HESITANCY THAT YOU'RE COMMUNICATING AND I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHY.
AND SO I THINK WE COULD WORK TOGETHER.
AND SO I'LL DEFINITELY COMMUNICATE THAT TO CHAIR COOPER AS WELL, SO THAT SHE COULD GET THAT OUT TO THE REST OF OUR, OUR MEMBERS.
DARREN, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? YEAH.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, WHAT I SEE HERE IS ALL, ALL THESE PRESENTATIONS ARE GREAT AND WE'RE ALL LEARNING A LOT.
BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE IN THE SCHEDULE IS ANY LIKE, WORKSHOP TIME FOR US TO SIT AROUND AND DISCUSS THIS AROUND A TABLE MM-HMM.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FITS ON THIS SCHEDULE.
WELL, I, I THINK THAT'S A, A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WE'RE ALREADY HAVING INDIVIDUALLY.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS GOING AHEAD AND IF YOU'VE GOT AN IDEA OF A, OF A TIME OR THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU THINK UNDERSTANDING WE NEED TO GET CERTAIN INFORMATION, HOW MANY HOURS YOU ANTICIPATE THAT MIGHT TAKE OR THAT YOU WOULD ASK YOUR, YOUR FELLOW, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO, TO SET ASIDE OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND WE CAN GO IN AHEAD AND, AND START DOING SOME OF THAT, GETTING THAT PLAN, THAT PART PLANNED.
I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, MADAM CHAIR.
IF I WOULD, IF I MAY, UM, I, IF, UH, I MEAN SPEAKING TO THE GENTLEMAN'S, UH, COMMENTS ABOUT WORKSHOP TIME, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE CRITICAL NEXT STEPS WOULD BE, UH, FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE FINAL SCORING CRITERIA SHOULD BE.
UH, IT SOUNDED LIKE IT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP HERE, UH, AS FAR AS IF THERE WERE RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS.
SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS MAYBE IN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, UH, IF THE COMMITTEE COULD MAYBE GET TOGETHER AND, UH, DISCUSS, UH, FINAL SCORING CRITERIA, UM, THAT THAT COULD BE THE NEXT STEP AS FAR AS A WORKSHOP, WHICH IS ON THE CRITICAL PATH TO BEING ABLE TO SCORE THE PROJECTS AT THE END.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S, UH, RECOMMENDED ADJUSTMENTS, THEN UH, WE WOULD, UM, ASK THE COMMITTEE TO, UH, CONSIDER THOSE, UH, SCORING CRITERIA ADJUSTMENTS AS WELL.
AND IS YOUR PREFERENCE FOR THIS TO BE CITY, UM, FOR, FOR THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT CITY LED WHERE YOU HAVE IT UP THAT YOU'RE POSTING ON THE PUBLIC? OR ARE YOU WANTING US TO TAKE IT INTO OUR, OUR OWN HANDS? CUZ I THINK WE COULD DO EITHER.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAPPENS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THAT CITY STAFF BE AVAILABLE IN CASE THERE'S QUESTIONS.
UM, AND, AND WE CAN PUT IT UP ON A, ON, YOU KNOW, SCREEN AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS GO LINE BY LINE.
UM, UM, SO YEAH, SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT STAFF WORKING, UH, HAND IN HAND WITH THE COMMITTEE MA'AM
SO THE VERY FIRST MEETING WE SAW THAT SHEET OF SCORING WHERE EVERYTHING WAS SCORED, AND NOW WITHOUT SEEING FINAL SCORES, WE'RE ASKED TO RATE WHAT SCORE WE'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE.
FOR ME, IT'S SO HARD TO DO THAT WHEN I DON'T SEE HOW MANY STREETS ARE X OR Y AND Z AND HOW DO I PRIORITIZE, I MEAN, AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT'S THINKING THAT WAY? SO THIS IS CANDACE, I AGREE WITH YOU.
AND I ALSO THINK WE NEED THE EQUITY OVERLAY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S GONNA PLAY INTO HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE OVERALL CRITERIA.
UM, THE ONE THING I'LL SAY I'LL ADD IS THAT, UM, THIS GOES TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT VALUES THAT WE HAD EARLIER.
AND SO IF WE CAN COUPLE, MAYBE JUST EVEN ONE DISCUSSION, ONE A SIGNIFICANT BLOCK OF TIME ON OUR VALUES AND THIS SCORING, UM, AND THE WEIGHTEDNESS, THEN THAT CAN DRIVE A LOT OF FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
UM, AND WITHOUT, WITHOUT THE DATA, FRANKLY MUCKING THINGS UP, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, I'M JUST SAYING INDIVIDUAL DATA WHERE WE TALK ABOUT, REALLY TALK ABOUT OUR VALUES AND HOW WE WANT THINGS WEIGHTED.
I MEAN, CUZ FRANKLY, UM, IF YOU WANNA GET IT DRILLED DOWN THE DATA, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THINGS WERE IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING BY THE EQUITY AROUND THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DRILL DOWN A LOT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, DO WE JUST DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND SAY, TODAY THESE ARE OUR VALUES, WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT OUR CONSTITUENTS, AND WE THINK THESE SHOULD, THINGS SHOULD BE WEIGHTED, YOU KNOW, SAFETY SHOULD BE 40%, ECONOMIC VI SUSTAINABILITY SHOULD BE 25%, YOU KNOW, ON AND ON, WHATEVER.
I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS OUT.
BUT, UM, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME, UM, VALUES
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AND DATA OR, OR, OR, UH, WEIGHT BASED ON THOSE VALUES THAT CAN DRIVE A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION, I THINK.AND THEN WE SEE WHERE THINGS COME OUT.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, DR.
PEREZ, IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF A GROUP THAT, UM, IS REALLY AND TRULY WILLING TO GIVE THE TIME, EFFORT, AND ENERGY TO DO THIS.
AND SO I THINK WE, IF, IF WE WANT THIS TO BE, YOU KNOW, HOSTED AND MODERATED OR PARTICIPATED WITH THE CITY, UM, WE'RE REALLY RELYING ON YOU GUYS TO START TO THROW SOME OF THAT STUFF OUT THERE.
AND TH THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT VALUES AND HOW MUCH WE'RE RATING THINGS LIKE THAT.
I, I AGREE THAT THE, THE 20 POINT OVERLAY IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO JUST MINDFULLY DISCUSS BECAUSE OF THE FIRST TIME BEING UTILIZED AND SO UNDERSTANDING HOW IT'S BEING UTILIZED AND THEN WHAT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO COMMUNICATE THAT TO THE REST OF OUR DISTRICT.
AND SO, UM, UH, BUT I, I THINK I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD SAY ANY MORE CLEARLY THAT, THAT WE'RE REALLY WILLING TO SET ASIDE THE TIME.
WE JUST NEED YOU GUYS TO THROW OUT SOME DATES AND WE'LL WORK OUR LIVES AROUND IT.
SO I, I WOULD SAY MAY MAYBE A WEEK, UH, FROM TODAY TO MAYBE DO THE WORK SESSION ON THE SCORING CRITERIA.
I MEAN, I, TWO WEEKS IF WE, IT, WOULD IT BE A MORE EFFECTIVE PLATFORM IF WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT VIA ZOOM SO THAT WE'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT, UM, IN PERSON RESOURCES DEALING WITH THE, THE HALF HYBRID? SUSAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE AN OPINION.
WELL, I, IT'S, IT'S JUST A LITTLE HARD TO COMMUNICATE VALUES OVER ZOOM.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE JUST TRANSMITTING INFORMATION, THAT'S ONE THING, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET EYEBALL TO EYEBALL.
I THINK AS MUCH AS I, I JUST CAN'T DO IT, THAT'S FINE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, UM, IS IS IT AN OPTION? I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, UH, RULES ARE AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MEETINGS, SO IS ON THIS.
AND, AND I KNOW WE JUST MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE ETHICS CODE LAST WEEK.
UM, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE HAVE MAYBE A LITTLE SUBGROUP OF THREE OR FOUR OF US THAT CAN MEET THE CIVIC STAFF DOWN HERE AND JUST KIND OF HASH SOMETHING OUT AND MAYBE TWO OR THREE OPTIONS AND THEN PUT IT OUT TO THE BOARD TO VOTE ON DIFFERENT OPTIONS? IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? YEAH.
I, I THINK, I THINK IN REALITY IT MAY END UP BECOMING A SMALL GROUP IF WE'RE DOING IT NEXT, NEXT WEEK, DEPENDING UPON PARTICIPATION.
AND I, I DON'T MEAN TO FLIPPANTLY, I MEAN, I'M BEING SERIOUS.
I, I'M SAYING POSITION AS PATTY.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING INTO SUMMER VACATIONS.
SO TO CARVE OUT NOW, THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD TUESDAY IN A ROW AND I'VE ALREADY MOVED OUR BOARD MEETING FOR HOA MM-HMM.
I MEAN, I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE AND IT JUST STARTS GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE YES, I'M VERY WILLING, BUT MY TIME IS GETTING MORE AND MORE LIMITED.
I WAS GONNA SAY MADAM CHAIR, IF IF POSSIBLE, UM, WE, WE COULD DO SIMILAR EXERCISE WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE DID WITH, UH, CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHERE WE CAN SEND OUT A SURVEY AND YOU GUYS CAN FILL OUT, UH, WHAT, UH, PROPOSED ADJUSTMENTS YOU MAY HAVE AND THEN WE CAN DO AN AVERAGE, UH, IF THERE'S, UM, I MEAN JUST AS A STARTING POINT, UM, AND THEN MAYBE COME BACK TOGETHER TWO TO THREE WEEKS, UH, AS A SUGGESTION.
WELL, I THINK CATHERINE WAS GONNA JUMP IN AND I DUNNO IF YOU WERE GONNA OFFER AN ALTERNATIVE FOR CONSIDERATION.
UH, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING.
SO WHAT I THOUGHT OUR COMMITTEE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES OF FORWARD DALLAS, WHICH HAD THOSE SCORING SYSTEM ALREADY DONE.
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING THE SCORING SYSTEM.
AM I MISSING SOMETHING? SO MAR WE, WE ARE FOLLOWING, UH, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME GUIDELINES THAT WE USE FOR THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM.
WE'RE GIVING THE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCRETION IF THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WANTS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REVISIONS.
WE'RE GIVING THE BODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE GROUP.
UM, WE ARE INCORPORATING THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, WHICH MM-HMM
I THINK THAT'S THE REASON WHY, UM, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SAFETY WERE ALL SPLIT EQUALLY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW PEOPLE VOTED FOR THEM.
UM, IN SURVEYS FROM THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN ABOUT, AGAIN, IT WAS KIND OF THAT AVERAGING OF HOW PEOPLE KIND OF RANKED THEM.
UM, THERE WAS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENTIATION, BUT THEY WERE
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ROUGH, ESPECIALLY ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY AND SAFETY WERE ROUGHLY EQUAL.UM, WE ADDED THE, THERE'S JUST THE TWO CRITERIA THAT WE ADDED THAT WE'RE NOT IN, UH, THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, WHICH WAS THE PROJECT READINESS AND THE OM COST IMPLICATIONS.
UH, PART OF THE REASON BEING THAT, UM, JUST AGAIN, GUS TALKED ABOUT RESILIENCY AS WELL AS, UH, I THINK JUST RESILIENCY BEING REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THOSE ARE KIND OF SIMILAR CRITERIA THAT, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL, STATE, OTHER KIND OF BEST PRACTICE AGENCIES USE.
AND SO WHEN THINKING ABOUT SETTING, ALSO SETTING OURSELVES UP TO BE, UM, SUCCESSFUL, UH, FOR GRANTS AND MAKING SURE THAT THEN THOSE SCORES WERE NOT JUST KIND OF CHANGING LIKE BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT THOSE THEN WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE PRIORITIES THAT WE GO AFTER GRANTS FOR.
SO, SO WE REALLY DID TRY TO FOLLOW THE PLANS JUST WITH THOSE TWO ADDITIONS.
SO IS IT REALISTIC TO STATE THAT YOU HAVE THESE TWO ADDITIONAL SURVEYS THAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT? IS IT POSSIBLE FOR STAFF TO AGGREGATE THE DATA, THE STATE, WHAT THE GENERAL PREFERENCES ARE BY THOSE VARIOUS CRITERIA? SO THEN YOU CAN TAKE THOSE PREFERENCES AND TALK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS REPRESENTATIVE AND KIND OF THEN COME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS.
MAR AND I'LL ASK JENNY TO CORRECT ME IF I'M, IF I'M WRONG.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT THE SURVEY THAT'S GONE OUT TO COUNCIL, IT DOESN'T GET DOWN TO THAT LEVEL AS FAR AS LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL CRITERION.
UH, AND SIMILARLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE SURVEY THAT'S GONE OUT TO THE PUBLIC, UH, GETS DOWN TO THAT, TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL EITHER.
SO I, I CAN'T SEE HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT KIND OF, UM, HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT KIND OF, UH, ANALYSIS.
THERE WAS SOME SURVEY QUESTIONS ABOUT PREFERENCES FOR STREETS AND PARKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
NO, SO, SO THAT SURVEY IS, IS BROAD, BROAD BRUSH, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST TOP LEVEL.
WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU PREFER? WHERE, WHERE WOULD, WHERE WOULD YOU WANNA SPEND THE MONEY? IT DOESN'T GET DOWN INTO IF IT'S STREETS, IF IT'S AN UNIMPROVED STREET, AN ALLEY OR SIDEWALK, IT'S NOT AT THAT LEVEL.
SO THAT'S THAT ONLINE SURVEY THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT.
SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS ABOUT NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF GETTING TOGETHER TO DISCUSS VALUES, WAITING AND HAVING A DISCUSSION OF THE DATA'S AVAILABLE, DOING IT IN PERSON, DOING IT ONLINE, DOING A SMALL GROUP IN PERSON.
WHY DON'T I, UH, TAKE THIS PORTION OF THE CONVERSATION BACK TO CHAIR COOP FOR HER TO WEIGH IN.
SHE, UM, MAY BE AWARE OF OTHER DYNAMICS AND HOW THAT'S BEING BALANCED WITH SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS WANNA MAKE CERTAIN TO GET HER, UM, INPUT AS OPPOSED TO MAKING ANY SORT OF A DECISION TONIGHT.
AND THEN WE'LL ASK HER TO COMMUNICATE THAT OUT TO THE THE VISIT GROUP.
SOUND GOOD? O ONE ONE ADDITION, IF YOU DON'T MIND? YES MA'AM.
UM, IF THEY SEND US A SURVEY FOR US, UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR THERE TO BE A COMMENT SECTION INCLUDED ON EACH AREA AND FOR THOSE COMMENTS TO BE PROVIDED TO US, UM, IN THE, IN THE RESULTS.
SO NOT JUST AGGREGATED DATA, BUT IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC COMMENTS ABOUT WHY WE WEIGHTED SOMETHING PARTICULAR WAY, UM, WE GO THE SURVEY.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY FINAL THOUGHTS, COMMENTS, QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANNA SAY ON THE RECORD?
WELL THEN WITH THAT IT IS 7 57 AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ADJOURN.