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IT IS 6 0 5.[2024 Bond Critical Facilities Meeting on June 13, 2023. ]
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THE, UM, CRITICAL FACILITY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING TOGETHER ON JUNE 13TH.UM, AND I'M GONNA ASK EVERYBODY, I THINK MEALS ARE PROVIDED IF YOU WANTED TO GRAB YOUR MEAL OR WHILE WE EAT, AND THE SIGN IN SHEET WAS THERE.
SO IF YOU DIDN'T PUT YOUR INITIALS DOWN WHEN YOU PICKED UP YOUR DINNER TO MAKE SURE YOU SIGN IN TONIGHT.
UM, YES, WE GOT OUR MATERIALS A LITTLE BIT LATER THAN WE'D WANTED, UM, BUT WE DID GET 'EM TODAY, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW, I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAD A, I HAD, I KNOW I HAD A PRETTY BUSY SCHEDULE, SO I, I CAN REVIEW 'EM, BUT I DIDN'T GET TO JUMP INTO 'EM LITTLE DEEPLY.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THOSE MATERIALS.
UM, WE DID CONFIRM THESE TWO, UH, PROPOSED FIELD TRIPS ON, UH, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER TWO, JUST F Y I, THE MORNINGS OF AUGUST 18TH AND 19TH.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL JUMP INTO, UM, THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
WE HAVE DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUES, UM, NEEDS INVENTORY, AND THEIR TOP PRIORITIES IS WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE BRIEFING US ON.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TECHNOLOGY SERVICES.
AND WE DO HAVE, UM, UM, SOMEBODY ON VIRTUAL, SO CAN YOU HEAR US OKAY? CAN WE CONFIRM THAT SHE CAN HEAR US HOW IT WAS ALICIA? ALICIA IS ANOTHER GUY.
WE CAN'T SEE YOU RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE, UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY TROUBLE HEARING US OR SEEING ANYTHING, IF YOU DO, YOU, DOES DOES SHE EMAIL EPHRON OR MY, UM, OR IF YOU WANT TO TEXT US IF, DOES SHE HAVE YOUR NUMBER OR NO, BUT WE HAVE A CHAT.
I JUST WANNA WAIT, MAKE SURE WE HAVE A WAY TO COMMUNICATE, AND THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR YOU WANNA CONTRIBUTE AN INFORMATION.
SO I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND PASS IT ON, UM, TO
UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR, UH, JOINING US TODAY AND, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, THE FIRST PRESENTATION TODAY WILL BE FIRE.
UH, WE'LL BE PROCEEDING ON, ON, UH, THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO I'M GONNA ASK, UH, CHIEF OF, UH, KINLEY AND CHIEF EVANS.
UH, GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE FLOOR NOW.
UH, I'M ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF FRANK MCKINLEY.
AND IT'S A TREMENDOUS HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT TO YOU THE 2024 CAPITAL BOND PROGRAM.
AND THIS HAS BEEN A TREMENDOUS TASK THAT WE'VE WORKED ON FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF FIRE CHIEF DOMINIQUE, UH, MYSELF, AND DEPUTY CHIEF GREGORY EVANS WILL DO THIS PRESENTATION AND EXPLAIN ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT, CUZ IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF IT, AND IT'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK.
DEPUTY CHIEF GREG, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND LOGISTICS UNDERNEATH SUPERVISION HERE OF ASSISTANT CHIEF FRANKLIN KINLEY, UH, WE ARE PROUD TO PRESENT THIS PRESENTATION.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS, UH, PRESENTATION HERE TODAY IS TO PROVIDE, UH, OVERVIEW, UH, NEEDS INVENTORY, UH, FROM DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.
UH, ALSO THE PURPOSE IS TO IDENTIFY THE PRIORITIZED RECOMMENDED PROJECT PROPOSED, UH, BY DALLAS FIRE RESCUE.
OVERALL, UH, OUR DEPARTMENT-WIDE, UH, NEEDS INVENTORY INCLUDE A TOTAL ASK FOR, UH, 265 MILLION, UH, DOLLARS, WHICH WILL BE USED FOR ALL OF OUR DALLAS FIRE DEPARTMENT FACILITIES.
UH, ALL OF THESE, UH, ESTIMATES ARE BASED ON THE 2017 FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT.
UH, THESE ASSESSMENTS INVENTORY INCLUDES MAJOR MAINTENANCE, UH, REHABILITATION, AND, UH, NEW OR REPLACEMENT FIRE FACILITIES.
THIS NEXT SLIDE HERE IS A GRAPHIC, UH, PRESENTATION, UH, OF THE LAST FOUR BOND PROGRAMS. UH, THE TOTAL ALLOCATED FOR FIRE.
ALL THESE, UH, FOUR BOND PROGRAMS IS SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR IN THE TWO, UH, THOUSAND 24 CAPITAL BOND PROGRAM
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OF 265 MILLION.AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOTAL THERE FOR THOSE FOUR BOND PROGRAMS WAS 98, UH, ROUGHLY 98 MILLION.
CONTINUING, UH, WITH THE NEEDS, UH, INVENTORY, UH, THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND THE REHAB OF DL FOUR FACILITIES WILL BE COMPLETED, UH, BY B S D.
UH, B S D HAS SELECTED PROJECTS, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION, U UTILIZING, UH, NUMBER ONE, THE NEEDS, UH, PREVIOUS, PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED ON THE 2017 FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT PROJECTS ON THE, UH, CURRENT NEEDS INVENTORY, AS WELL AS THEY HAVE SOLICITED INPUT FROM, UH, THE VARIOUS CUSTOMER DEPARTMENTS.
AND LASTLY, UH, THE NEW NEEDS THAT HAVE EMERGED SINCE THE LAST BOND PROGRAM, UH, DID FOR, UH, MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND REHAB PROJECTS THAT'S ESTIMATED TO COST 5 MILLION.
YOU, THIS IS A GRAPHIC PRESENTATION WHERE THE $5 MILLION WILL BE, UH, ALLOCATED AT THE VARIOUS, UH, UH, FIRE STATIONS THERE.
UH, SOME ISSUES INCLUDE ELECTRICAL, UH, STRUCTURAL AND, UH, MECHANICAL ISSUES.
UH, THERE ARE 33 FIRE STATIONS LISTED, UH, THERE ON THAT GRAPHIC PRESENTATION CHIEF FOR THOSE IN, UH, 2020 $3 OR 20 $17.
FOLLOWING PROJECTS, UH, HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY DALLAS FIRE RESCUE AS OUR TOP, UH, PRIORITY PROJECTS.
NUMBER ONE, THE REPLACEMENT OR RENOVATION AND EXPANSION OF SEVEN, UH, EXISTING FIRE STATIONS.
UH, THE REPURPOSING OF OLD FIRE STATION 36 FOR QUARTERMASTER.
UH, OUR QUARTERMASTER PROGRAM, UH, WHICH CONTINUES WITH OUR, UH, CONTINUED EFFORTS TO INCREASE THE SAFETY, UH, OF OUR MEMBERS, UH, FROM, UH, THE VARIOUS EFFECTS OF THINGS LIKE CANCER.
UH, THIS, UM, QUARTERMASTER IS ENVISIONED TO ANSWER ALL STRUCTURE FIRES AS WELL AS HAZMAT INCIDENTS.
AND THEY WILL TAKE WITH THEM CLEAN GEAR AND REPLACE THE MEMBERS DIRTY GEAR WHILE THEY'RE ON SCENE AND TAKE THE DIRTY GRIP BACK TO THEIR WATER MASTER STATION, OH, FIRE STATION 36, AND UTILIZE EXTRACTORS AND WASH THE GEAR CLEAN AND RETURN IT TO THOSE MEMBERS UPON GETTING CLEAN.
ALSO, UM, THE PROPERTY ACQUISITION FOR FIVE, UH, FUTURE FIRE STATIONS AND NEW SERVICE AREAS, AND CHIEF MCKINLEY WOULD TALK ABOUT THOSE FIVE, UH, LOCATIONS WHEN HE SPEAKS HERE SOON.
UH, THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE AT 32 EXISTING STATIONS, INCLUDING, UH, UPGRADES TO AGED ELECTRICAL PANELS AND THE REPLACEMENT OF EMERGENCY GENERATORS.
AS IT RELATES TO FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS, UH, AN ASSESSMENT OF OUR EXISTING FACILITIES WAS CONDUCTED, UH, WITH AN EMPHASIS ON SAFETY EFFECTIVENESS AND FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
UH, WE U UTILIZED FIVE, UH, DIFFERENT CRITERIA TO RATE THESE, UH, STATIONS, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE AGE OF THE FIRE STATIONS.
WE HAVE ROUGHLY 21 FIRE STATIONS OVER THE AGE OF 50 YEARS OLD, AND I THINK WE HAVE NINE OR 10 THAT ARE OLDER THAN THE AGE OF 60.
WE ALSO UTILIZE THE CRITERIA, THE NEED FOR MAJOR REPAIRS LIKE ROOF REPLACEMENT, UH, STRUCTURAL DAMAGE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING ISSUES, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE ALL, WE ALSO UTILIZE THE CRITERIA OF SAFETY CONCERNS, ADDRESSING, UH, CONDITIONS SUCH AS MOLD ABATEMENT AND REMEDIATION, UH, LEAD PAINT AND, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
NEXT, THE SIZE OF THE FIRE STATIONS, 39 OF OUR CURRENT 59 FIRE STATION OPERATE FROM A A SQUARE FOOTAGE OF LESS THAN 12,000, UH, SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS THE CURRENT STANDARD.
AND LASTLY, THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF OUR FIRE STATIONS WAS UTILIZED TO RATE THESE STATIONS AS WELL.
THE NEXT, UH, SLIDE HERE SHOWS YOU THE TOP SEVEN STATIONS THAT WE HAVE PRIORITIZED AS EITHER BEING REPLACED OR RENOVATED.
UH, STATION 11, THE NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST, I THINK IT IS ROUGHLY, UH, 113 YEARS OLD.
IT WAS BUILT IN 19, UH, OH NINE.
UH, STATION 36, NUMBER SIX ON THE LIST IS OUR NEXT OLDEST FIRE STATION IN OUR FLEET, AND IT WAS BUILT IN 1947, AND IT IS 73 YEARS OF AGE.
ALL THOSE STATIONS ARE AT LEAST 60 YEARS OF AGE.
AND THOSE ARE OUR TOP, UH, SEVEN STATIONS FOR REPLACEMENT.
UH, STATION 11, NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST, I'M QUITE SURE SOME OF YOU KNOW, THAT HAS BEEN LONG DESIGNATED, UH, HISTORICAL MONUMENT.
YOU SEE THE COST AMOUNT THERE OF SEVERAL 0.8 LESS THAN ALL THE OTHER
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STATIONS.EVEN THOUGH IT'S NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST, WE'RE NOT COMPLETELY TURNING IT DOWN.
WE HAVE SOME LAND ON THE BACKSIDE OF THAT FACILITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO REPURPOSE AND REPOSITION THAT STATION AND ADD ON TO IT.
SO THAT'S THE PLAN RIGHT THERE FOR STATIONS.
UH, 11, UM, NUMBER EIGHT ON THE LIST.
THE TRAINING ACADEMY OUT AT 5,000 DOLPHINS.
THAT'S WHERE WE TRAIN ALL OUR NEW RECRUITS.
WE HAVE OUR SHOP, OUR MECHANICS OUT THERE, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE OUR CLOTHING AND SUPPLY.
ALL OUR GEAR IS ISSUED OUT OF THERE.
AND WE HAVE $25 MILLION, UH, ESTIMATED FOR THE RENOVATION OF THAT FACILITY.
UH, THIS WILL BE JUST THE FIRST PHASE.
HOWEVER, 25 IS JUST THE FIRST PHASE, AND WE'RE CURRENTLY IN THE TOSS WITH ARCHITECTS TO ENVISION ON WHAT THAT, UH, FACILITY WILL POTENTIALLY LOOK LIKE.
NUMBER NINE, UPGRADING THE EMERGENCY ELECTRICAL PANELS AS WELL AS THE GENERATORS AT MULTIPLE STATIONS.
AND, UM, LAST NUMBER 10 THERE.
I ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT THE QUARTER MASTER PROGRAM.
SO, SO EXPLAIN, SO IS THAT BRINGING IN THE EQUIPMENT THEN INTO STATION 27 SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE, UM, BRINGING IN THE CLEANING EQUIPMENT INTO THAT? IS THAT WHAT IT THE UPGRADE IS? IT'S, IT'S, IT IS THE QUARTERMASTER PROGRAM.
THE OLD STATION 36 OFF OF HAMPTON ROAD.
WE JUST PREVIOUSLY MOVED INTO OUR NEW STATION, 36 OFF SINGLETON ROAD, A BLOCK OR TWO AWAY.
SO WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO WITH THAT? THIS, THAT'S GONNA BE THE, THE HEADQUARTERS FOR OUR QUARTER MASTER.
THAT'LL BE WHERE ALL THE, UM, THE, THE EQUIPMENT IS THAT YOU NEED TO BE WHERE WHEN WE FIGHT FOR THE, FOR, FOR THE, FOR ALL THE STATIONS? YES, MA'AM.
UH, EVENTUALLY WE GOT SOME LAND THERE, THE PARKING LOT, THE LAND.
SO QUARTERMASTER IS GONNA BE, I THINK, A TWO MEMBER TEAM.
SO THAT PARKING SPACE IS NOT NEEDED FOR 10 OR 12 FIREFIGHTERS.
SO WE GOING TO EVENTUALLY PUT A SMALL WAREHOUSE, THAT'S OUR PLAN ON THE PROPERTY TO HOUSE ALL OF OUR P P E IN GEAR AND CLOTHING.
SO DO ALL FIREFIGHTERS NOW HAVE TWO SETS OF EQUIPMENT THOUGH? YES.
SO ONCE IT'S CONTAMINATED THAT YOU, BUT BUT THE, THE EQUIPMENT CANNOT BE CLEANED, CONTAMINATED, UNIFORMS CANNOT BE CLEANED ON THE CURRENT IN CURRENT FACILITIES.
WELL, WE'RE LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WHERE IT SAYS IS, UH, WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE TWO SETS OF FIREFIGHTING GEAR.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A LONGER, UH, LASTING PROGRAM THAT'LL HELP FACILITATE CLEANER GEAR.
AND SO THIS WILL IMPROVE THE SAFETY BY BEING ABLE TO CLEAN IT IN REAL TIME.
SO, UH, THE RESPONSE UNITS WILL GO TO THE STRUCTURE FIRES OR THE INCIDENTS WHERE THEY'RE CALLED, AND THEY WILL SWAP OUT THE GEAR THERE AND CLEAN IT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME OF THE STATIONS THAT CAN ACTUALLY CLEAN THE, UM, THE EXTRACTORS AND THE EXTRACTORS.
DO ALL STATIONS HAVE EXTRACTORS NOW? OR NOT THE NEWER, A LOT OF THE, THERE ARE SEVERAL STATIONS THAT DO HAVE EXTRACTORS, BUT ALL THE NEWER STATIONS ARE EQUIPPED WITH THE STRIPERS, UH, ONCE THEY GO INTO SERVICE.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO CLEAN THE UNIFORMS? IS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE THOUGHTFUL OF IN THE CLEANING OF THE, THE ITEMS OR THE EXHAUST? UH, NO.
UH, WHAT WE DO USUALLY, UH, WE WORK WITH ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICE, AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CAPABLE OF CATCHING RUNOFF OR ANYTHING THAT MAY, UH, DAMAGE THE ENVIRONMENT.
ANYTIME WE REPURPOSE A FACILITY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE THAT ASPECT INTO IT SO WE CAN BETTER PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT.
I MEAN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS A LOT OF TIMES FIRE STATION IS GONNA BE ZONED CLOSE, CLOSE TO RESIDENCES.
SO YOU HAVE NEIGHBOR AND IF YOU'RE CREATING A, A CLEANING SPACE, IT'S A DIFFERENT OUTPUT THAN, THAN HAVING IT HAVE BEEN A STATION CURRENTLY.
IT'S NOT BEING USED AS A STATION ANYWAY.
SO IT'S TRYING TO USE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND AN EFFICIENCY MODEL, ESSENTIALLY.
AND SO, UM, WHEN OUR, WHEN OUR EQUIPMENT GOES TO STRUCTURE FIRES, A LOT OF TIMES IT GETS RESIDUE AND SOOT ON IT.
AND AS YOU KNOW, WE WASH IT ON OUR, OUR APRON IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION.
AND SO WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CAPTURE THAT RUNOFF SO IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE ENVIRONMENT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO.
AND SO WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SPECIALIST THAT WORKS FOR DFR, AND SO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE, THOSE COMPLIANCE STANDARDS SO WE DON'T CONTAMINATE THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO, UH, IT IS ALREADY PURPOSE TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THOSE CONTAMINANTS AND NOT EXPOSE 'EM TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE, THE, TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THE ENHANCED SCENARIO.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, HOW SOLID ARE THE ESTIMATE NUMBERS? ARE THESE DONE BY ENGINEERS OR IS THIS SORT OF A YES, WE, WE'VE WORKED WITH, UH, WE WORK WITH A NUMBER OF, WITH THE BOND OFFICE, WE WORK WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT AGENCIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCURATELY CAN PREDICT OR PROJECT
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HOW MUCH THESE COST.AND TH A LOT OF THESE ESTIMATES ARE IN TODAY'S DOLLARS.
I KNOW THAT IT WAS ASKED IF IT CAME FROM 2017, BUT THESE ARE, THESE ARE VERY ACCURATE AND THESE ARE BASED OFF THE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY N F P A.
WE ALSO BUILT FOUR OR FIVE NEW STATIONS OVER THE PAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, AND THAT'S THE GOING COST ROUGHLY, SO TO SPEAK.
AND DO YOU REMEMBER THE TRAINING ACADEMY CAME UP IN THE LAST BOND AND WAS, I THINK, PASSED OVER AND SO IT WAS
SO YOUR NEED IS STILL THERE, YOU'RE STILL ASKING, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
HOW MANY STATEMENTS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW? 1 41.
THE ONE THAT WAS HIPA TORNADO, 20 ONE'S THE LAST WE, WE'VE OPENED, OPENED THREE STATIONED SO FAR THIS YEAR.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
AND THERE'S NOT ANY IN THE, THE 17 BOND PROGRAM THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT.
THEN WE'VE, WE'VE COMPLETED THREE.
YOU COMPLETED THREE PROJECT 17.
WE HAD THE TWO UNPLANNED PROJECTS, UH, DUE TO WEATHER DAMAGE, 19 41 19 OPEN LAST MONTH.
UM, AND THEN 58 CYPRESS WATERS WAS, UH, THROUGH A FIFTH.
AND THEN 40 ONES IN A CONSTRUCTION.
WHEN'S THE, WHEN'S THE EXPECTATION FOR OPENING? UH, DECEMBER, JANUARY.
SO NOW YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT, UM, TALK ABOUT THE NEW FACILITIES, THE NEW FACILITIES, UH, THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THIS RESEARCH BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY, IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO TRY TO, UH, DO A OPTIMIZATION STUDY SO WE CAN, DFR DIDN'T JUST RANDOMLY PICK THIS, SO THERE WERE A LOT OF VARIABLES THAT WENT INTO THIS.
SO WE WORKED WITH THE, UH, UH, HARVARD UNIVERSITY'S.
IT WAS A CAPSTONE PROJECT FOR THEIR BUSINESS DEPARTMENT.
WE, UH, USED THE NFPA STANDARD 1710, AND THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR THE ORGANIZATION AND DEPLOYMENT OF FIRE SUPPRESSION OPERATIONS, E M S AND SPECIAL OPERATIONS TO THE PUBLIC BY CAREER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
AND SO WE USE, UH, THESE RESOURCES TO BETTER, UH, POSITION US TO LET US KNOW WHERE THE OPTIMUM LOCATION OF THESE FACILITIES WOULD BE.
AND SO, AND THESE ARE JUST, UH, THESE ARE THE LOCATIONS.
UM, AND I WANT TO BE MINDFUL THAT, UH, THE CRITERIA USED FOR THIS WERE, WERE INCIDENT DATA RESPONSE PLANS, NFPA 1710, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, AWARENESS MEETINGS, UH, REAL ESTATE PRICES BASED OFF OF SQUARE FOOT AND POPULATION CHANGES.
AND SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE FACILITIES, WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE TO FORECAST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT WE EXPECT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THESE FACILITIES.
AND SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO FORECAST.
UM, WE, WE, UH, UH, LOOK TO, UH, EXPAND OUR SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE THE CITIZENS.
AND A LOT OF TIMES WE RUN OUT OF SPACE.
I BELIEVE WE HAVE ROUGHLY 187 PIECES OF FIRE EQUIPMENT, BUT WE HAVE ROUGHLY 195, UH, BAYS TO PARK THE EQUIPMENT IN IT.
SO WE'RE KIND OF REACHING THAT, THAT CRITICAL LEVEL.
AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE FIRE STATION FACILITIES, UH, TYPICALLY WE USED TO BASE IT OFF OF TWO AND A HALF DAYS, AND NOW WE BASE IT OFF OF THREE AND A HALF DAYS FOR THAT EXPANSION PURPOSE.
AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO OUTGROW THESE FACILITIES.
AND SO THIS WAS THE PROJECTION THAT WAS USED TO HELP US IN, UH, COMING UP WITH THESE, UH, COMING UP WITH THE COST OF IT AND WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE LOCATED.
ALSO, RESPONSE TIMES PLAYED A TREMENDOUS, UH, UH, ROLE IN, UH, DICTATING WHERE THESE FACILITIES WOULD BE LOCATED BECAUSE IT HELPS US IMPROVE THE SERVICES TO THE CITY, TO THE CITY.
UH, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND FOUR LOOK LIKE THEY'RE ON MAJOR HIGHWAYS.
UH, THEY'RE CLOSED, THEY HAVE ACCESS A LOT OF TIMES.
WOULD, WOULD THOSE, WOULD YOUR UNITS THERE BE RESPONDING TO INCIDENTS ALONG 6 35 I 20 AND LUKE 12 SOUTH OR HOR? UH, THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO, A LOT OF TIMES ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, FOCUS WHEN WE, UH, BUILD A FACILITY IS ACCESS.
AND SO BECAUSE WE MAKE A, A NUMBER OF CALLS ON THE FREEWAYS, IT HELPS, UH, IT HELPS US GET THERE A LOT FASTER.
AND SO WE NEED, NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCESS TO MAJOR THIRD PRAYER.
BUT THE, UH, RESPONSE TIMES REALLY DICTATE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE LOCATED IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY NEED TO BE LOCATED IN.
AND THESE LOCATIONS AREN'T SPECIFIC TO AN ADDRESS YET.
WE JUST KNOW THAT THAT'S THE AREA THAT NEEDS THE RESPONSE RESOURCES.
WELL, I KNOW I LIVED NEAR LBJ AND KINGSLEY AND THERE'S
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A WRECK ON LBJ EVERY DAY, NOT FIVE OR SIX.AND IT'S, AND SOMETIMES IT CAN BE TIMELY, AND THAT'S WHY WE, YOU KNOW, WE COLLABORATE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FORECAST, UM, ROADWAYS OR EXCHANGES, UM, FREEWAY EXCHANGES SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCESS THOSE ROADS.
SO, UH, OUR RESPONSE TIME STAY INTACT.
IT SAYS IT DOESN'T INCLUDE FUNDS FOR LAND ACQUISITION IF NEEDED.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR, AS YOU WERE SAYING, THESE AREN'T SPECIFIC ADDRESSES, SO IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S BEEN A PURCHASE, IT'S EARMARKING FUNDS FOR WHEN AND IF LAND IS PURCHASED IN THESE IDENTIFIED AREAS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SOME YES, MA'AM.
SO WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MONEY TO BUY THE LAND IF THIS COMES TO YOU AND YOU HAVE MONEY TO BUILD, BUT NO PLACE TO BUILD ON YET? WELL, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE BOND OFFICE TO IDENTIFY AND THE REAL ESTATE OFFICE TO IDENTIFY LOCATIONS THAT ARE CITY OWNED.
AND SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE OUR, UH, BEST OPTION IN THAT SITUATION.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT TO TRY TO IDENTIFY THOSE LOCATIONS.
SO LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
THERE ARE PLACES THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THAT ISN'T BEING USED FOR THE PURPOSE THAT IT'S BEING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE, LET'S SAY IT WAS A WATER DEPARTMENT, THEY HAD SPACE AND THEY'RE NOT USING THAT SPACE.
SO THE IDEA IS TO TRY TO PAIR EXISTING CITY-OWNED LOCATIONS WITH PROXIMITY TO THESE AREAS.
BUT IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU ALSO NEED TO HAVE ASSURANCE THAT YOU HAVE MONEY TO BUILD SOMETHING THERE THAT WOULD REIGNITE, YOU KNOW, THE USAGE OF THAT EXISTING OWNED LAND.
IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
IS THAT TRUE FOR ALL OF THESE FIVE IDENTIFIED NEW SPOTS THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY EXISTING, ALREADY PURCHASED SPACE? WELL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR PRIMARY FOCUS WHEN WE DO THAT.
WE TRY TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS PLACE, FIRST OF ALL.
BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO SEE IF THERE IS CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND SO THIS STUDY JUST SAYS, THIS IS WHERE YOUR NEED IS.
AND SO BASED OFF OF THAT NEED, WHICH WE TRY TO FIND REAL ESTATE, THAT'S WITH THE, UH, THESE LOCATIONS ARE, ARE IN THE EPICENTER OF WHERE THOSE RESOURCES ARE NEEDED.
AND SO WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT TO TRY TO GET AS CLOSE TO THAT AS WE CAN.
AND WHAT RESOURCES WERE NEEDED, WAS IT CALLS, WAS IT AMBULANCE SERVICES OR WAS IT UH, FIRE ENGINE CALLS? WELL, WELL, UH, OUR, OUR EMS SERVICE, UH, MAKES OUR AMBULANCE SERVICE, UH, MAKES ABOUT 85% OF OUR CALLS.
UH, WITH THE, WITH POPULATION GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, WE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO INCREASE.
AND SO WITH THAT INCREASE, WE DO EXPECT OUR, WE EXPECT, UH, PROPORTIONATELY OUR, UH, MEDICAL COSTS TO ALSO INCREASE.
AND TO CLARIFY, WE DON'T HAVE LAND YET.
NO LAND, AND WE DON'T HAVE EQUIPMENT YET.
CUZ YOU'RE GONNA NEED STUFF TO PUT IN THE BAY.
YOU NEED AMBULANCES, YOU NEED, UH, FIRETRUCKS.
AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UH, WHEN WE APPROACH THE BUDGET SEASON, WE, WE DO, UH, WE CALCULATE FOR THAT.
WE, WE ANTICIPATE THAT GROWTH AND WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, UH, ALLOCATION OF DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT PER YEAR.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE DONE IN CONJUNCTION IN PLANNING TO, WHEN WE OPEN UP THAT FACILITY TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT LOCATED THERE.
SO IF A FIRETRUCK IS, UH, NEEDED AT THAT LOCATION, THEN IF THE DATA SHOWS THAT THAT'S WHAT, WHAT IS ACTUALLY NEEDED, THEN WE'LL PUT THE EQUIPMENT THAT THAT BEST SERVES THAT, THAT THAT POPULATION.
SO LET ME ASK, WHAT IS THE NORMAL ALLOCATION IN OUR ANNUAL BIENNIAL BUDGET, UH, FOR EQUIPMENT? SO FOR INSTANCE, IF EACH OF THESE HAS THREE DAYS, THEN YOU HAVE 15 BAY TO FILL, HOW MANY ITEMS CAN YOU BUY PER YEAR BASED ON YOUR NORMAL ALLOCATION TRUCKS? FIVE TRUCKS, 10 DRUGS? UH, WELL, AND IT, IT IS JUST NOT ONLY THAT, IT'S IT'S BATTALION CHIEFS CARS.
IT'S, UH, WE'RE LOOKING, WE ASKED FOR, UH, UH, AN ADDITIONAL BATTALION TO, UH, BE ADDED, UH, IN THE BUDGET.
THE GROWTH COMES, UH, WE HAVE SPECIAL O OPERATIONS THAT ALSO, UH, WITH, UH, SWIFT WATER TEAMS. WE EXPAND OUR SWIFT WATER PROGRAM, OUR HAZMAT TEAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT'S NOT JUST NECESSARILY FIRE ENGINES AND FIRE TRUCKS.
AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, UM, WE, OUR ALLOCATION FOR THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF EQUIPMENT VARY FROM YEAR TO YEAR MM-HMM.
AND SO, UM, UH, I THINK IT WAS ROUGHLY THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WE, UH, TOOK A LARGE, UH, WE, WE HAD MORE ENGINES IN THAT BUDGET YEAR THAN WE HAD BEFORE MM-HMM.
AND SO IT'S KIND OF ON A CYCLE AND IT'S ON A NEEDS BASIS BECAUSE, UH, OUR, WE KEEP OUR ENGINES FOR ROUGHLY 10 YEARS AND OUR TRUCKS FOR 15.
WE, TRUCKS ARE LIKE A MILLION A PIECE.
WE, WE HAVE AN ANNUAL ALLOCATION OF $17.8 MILLION A YEAR IN THAT WE TRY TO BUY AT LEAST TWO LADDER TRUCKS AS WELL AS EIGHT
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TO 10 FIRE ENGINES.THEN ON TOP OF THAT, ANOTHER 10 TO 12 ON THE SAME YEAR.
AND THEN THE ACCESSORIES FROM CHIEFS, FROM BATTALION CHIEFS CARS.
SO ALL THE, ALL THE SMALL VEHICLES THAT WE USE MM-HMM.
OUT IN THE FIELD, WE ALSO DO THAT.
UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M SO SORRY.
THE QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT STATION 36 IS EXACTLY HOW WE BUILT IT.
THE NEW STATION 36, THE LAND THAT CURRENTLY HOUSES THE OLD STATION IS A VERY, VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT.
FOR RIGHT NOW, NOT QUITE, WE ACTUALLY USE THAT LAND TO BUILD THE STATION OFF.
YEAH, NO, I'M ALL FOR MY INTENTION AND SUPPORTIVE.
MY, MY INTENTION THOUGH IS NOT TO HAVE YOU TRY TO PIECEMEAL EVERYTHING.
AND TO HAVE MONEY FOR A BUILDING THAT YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY BUILD FOR FIVE TO SIX YEARS.
CUZ THEN NEIGHBORS GET MAD BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, WAIT, I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FIRE STATION.
WELL, NO, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT BOND TO HAVE MONEY TO BUY EQUIPMENT, TO BUY, WHATEVER.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I KNOW YOU'VE IDENTIFIED FIVE, IF THERE IS ONE THAT NEEDS, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS ARE MOST HIGH BASED ON POPULATION AND YOU ALSO WOULD HAVE, UH, IDENTIFIED LAND AND YOU WOULD HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY ALLOCATED TO FILL YOUR BASE.
THAT TO ME FEELS LIKE A COMPLETE PROJECT VERSUS THE HOPE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MATCHING LAND.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE I WANT THE PROJECT COMPLETE IN FIVE YEARS.
THE WAY THOUGH WE PROCESS IT IS THESE ARE RANKED IN ORDER FOR ONE TO FIVE BEING THE HIGHEST IS ONE.
THE AREA AND THE MOST NEED RIGHT NOW, FULL SERVICE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, WE LOOKED AT THE AREAS THAT WE FEEL WE COULD PER POSSIBLY PURCHASE LAND TO HAVE A STATION.
UM, AS WE GO FROM THERE, ONCE THE CONCEPT, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEN THAT'S WHEN THE BALL START ROLLING AND WE PLAN OUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S NEEDED.
COUNCILWOMAN, YOU ASKED ALSO ABOUT WHAT, HOW DO WE ALLOCATE WHAT GOES INTO TO THE DIFFERENT STATIONS? IT DEPENDS ON THE NEED OF THE AREA.
SOME AREAS LIKE DOWNTOWN, WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL TRUCK, UH, A YEAR AGO BECAUSE YOU SEE ALL OF THE CRANES THAT ARE HAPPENING DOWN, WE'RE BUILDING UP NOT OUT DOWNTOWN.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO GO UP THAN WE DO OUT.
SO IN THOSE AREAS, IN THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WE HAVE MOSTLY MORE FIRE TRUCKS BECAUSE THE FIRE TRUCKS ARE ABLE TO GET TO THOSE AREAS AND USE THE WATER ON THE TRUCKS AS WELL AS WE HAVE PARAMEDICS ON ALL OF OUR FIRE TRUCKS.
SO IF THE AMBULANCE IS OUT, YOU STILL RECEIVE SERVICE FROM A PARAMEDIC THAT'S ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT LIFECHANGING SERVICE RIGHT THERE ON THE SCENE BEFORE AN A GETS THERE ALSO.
SO HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO GET A FACILITY UP AND RUNNING FROM, LIKE, IF A BUDGET IS APPROVED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT? PARTICULARLY WHEN THE BOND HAPPENS? UH, IT TAKES US, I THINK, WHAT, THREE YEARS OR SO BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, GET THE LAND, GET THE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS FOR IT, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW, YOU KNOW, ALLOCATING THE FUNDS FOR IT AND THEN THE STATION APP ACTUALLY OVER.
CAN YOU MENTIONED THESE WERE SORTED IN OR RANKED IN ORDER OF NEED BESIDES POPULATION GROWTH? YES.
OR CAN YOU REMIND, CAN YOU REFRESH, UH, OUR MEMORIES? HOW, HOW, UH, WHAT OTHER PARAMETERS DID YOU INCLUDE OR RANKING THEM? WE USE INCIDENT DATA RESPONSE PLANS.
UH, WE USE THE STANDARD OF PA 1710, WHICH TELLS US THE RESPONSE TIME FOR A PARTICULAR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR FOR A, A BOX RESPONSE, WHICH MEANS THE COMPANIES THAT WE SEND TO A STRUCTURE FIRE, THEY HAVE TO BE ALL ON LOCATION WITHIN 10 MINUTES.
UH, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE AND DEVELOPMENT, UH, ANNOUNCEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE CITY.
UH, REAL ESTATE PRICES BASED ON SQUARE FOOT AND POPULATION CHANGES AND PROJECTIONS AND ALSO THE GAPS IN SERVICE AREAS THAT, THAT WE RECOGNIZE.
WE HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING TO THOSE AREAS BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES IN THOSE AREAS.
THOSE ARE ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE AREAS.
I'M SURPRISED YOU DON'T NEED MORE THAN FIVE BLOOD POPULATION.
WELL, YOU'RE NOT LIMITED AND BE NOT POPULATION GROWTH IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, ACTUALLY, IT'S VERY SMALL, BUT THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC AND THERE'S MORE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT AND THERE'S MORE CONCENTRATION IN AREAS LIKE IN UPTOWN AND DOWNTOWN AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT WAY TO FIGHT.
BUT, BUT REALLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT, MY, MY, I BET MY IS PEOPLE ARE, THEY'RE USING AMBULANCE SERVICES AS THEIR HEALTHCARE AND THAT'S WHERE LIKE IF YOU, WHERE YOU CAN LOOK UP UPSTREAM AND YEAH, WE DO PROGRAMS. I MEAN WE STILL HAVE THE, YOU STILL HAVE THE PROGRAM WHERE THE FREQUENT, THE
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FREQUENT FLYERS PEOPLE ARE CALLING FREQUENTLY THAT WE GO OUT, WHAT, WHAT IS IT CALLED? UM, IT'S, UH, MOBILE HEALTHCARE.WE TRY TO PREVENT THE CALLS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHICH, UH, GO OUT.
SO I MEAN I'M NOT, AND THIS MIGHT BE RELATED TO HIGHWAY CALLS AND OTHER THINGS, INCIDENTS, BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT WHAT KIND OF CALLS THEY'RE RESPONDING TO, THEY SAY 85% OF THE CALLS ARE AMBULANCE SERVICES.
HOW, I MEAN, THE BIGGER QUESTION IS HOW WE CAN PREVENT THOSE CALLS FROM EVEN HAPPENING.
AND THERE'S PROGRAMS WE WORKED WITH WITH PARKLAND BEFORE AND TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, REHOSPITALIZATIONS DOWN AND THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE DISCUSSION.
BUT, BUT IT IS, IT IS IMPACTFUL ON HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND ON LAND FACILITIES EQUIPMENT WHEN, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH CAN WE PUT PUT TOWARDS PREVENTION OF THE CAUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE'LL WORK FOR PROGRAMS TO, TO ACTUALLY DO THAT EXACT, IF YOU ALREADY KNEW OF LAND WITH THESE PROJECTS, THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING FOR US TO KNOW.
IF YOU HAD IDENTIFIED CITY LAND THAT WAS ALREADY PURCHASED, THAT WAS ALREADY UNDER ANOTHER USE, LIKE A SECONDARY COLUMN, THERE'S A LOT OF CITY LAND AND AVAILABLE IN THIS AREA THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND, AND THESE AREAS, WE HAVE OTHER SLIDES THAT ARE KINDA LOOK MORE IN DEPTH WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE AREAS AROUND THEM IF THERE'S LAND AROUND THEM TO BE PURCHASED FOR THAT.
UM, AS WE TALK WITH REAL ESTATE, WE KIND OF LET THEM KIND OF ORCHESTRATE HOW SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE GET THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITY AND THE AREA.
THAT'S THE BEST PLACE TO HAVE A FIRE STATION.
I'M JUST MOSTLY INTERESTED IN WHAT DO WE ALREADY OWN WE COULD USE YES.
BECAUSE 12 MILLION DOESN'T GET YOU WHAT YOU MEAN? IT GETS YOU AT BEST A BUILDING.
IT DOESN'T GET YOU YOUR AMBULANCE, IT DOESN'T GET YOU YOUR FIRE TRUCK, IT DOESN'T GET YOU ANYTHING ELSE.
WE, WE HAVE IN THE PAST ALLOCATED THE EQUIPMENT INSIDE OF THE, UH, SO DOES THE 12 MILLION ASK INCLUDE THIS, THIS, THIS IS OFF OF DOLLARS.
THINKING OF HOW ONCE WE GET TO THE BUILDING STADIUM, THIS IS ONLY, WE'LL PROBABLY COVER THE BUILDING AT THAT TIME.
ARE THERE ANY CITIES THAT ARE LOOKING AT A WAY TO RESPOND TO, UM, THESE CALLS DIFFERENTLY? LIKE HOUSING AMBULANCES WITH STAFF IN HOSPITAL OR OTHER MEDICAL FACILITIES THAT INSTEAD OF THE TRADITIONAL FIRE STATION? YES.
WE WE'RE ACTUALLY PILOTING THE PROGRAM RIGHT NOW CALLED A SINGLE ROAD PARAMEDIC PROGRAM.
IT'S WHERE WE HOUSE THE AMBULANCES, UH, POSSIBLY IN THE WAREHOUSE.
AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY ACTUALLY LEAVE THE WAREHOUSE AND KIND OF GO OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WHERE THE ACTUAL CALL TYPES ARE HAPPENING DURING THE DAY THOSE AMBULANCES GO.
AND THEN AT THE, AT NIGHT WHEN WE SEE OUR CALL VOLUME DROP, THEY GO BACK AND THEY GO OUT OF SERVICE AND THEY STORE IN.
SO, SO THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE WORKING JUST LIKE A 12 HOUR SHIFT OR EIGHT OR 12 HOUR SHIFT.
MORE LIKE A, LIKE DPD RUNS THOSE THEN VERSUS, EXCEPT THEY'RE ONLY SINGLE PARAMEDICS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST PARAMEDICS.
YEAH, I MEAN I WOULD THINK THOSE ARE CREATIVE WAYS TO TRY TO DEAL WITH THE STAFFING AND INSTEAD OF TRADITIONALLY ERECTING A ENTIRE FIRE STATION HA HAVING MORE LIKE AMBULANCES AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES AND IT US, THE AVAILABILITY DURING THE DAY, UH, THE CITY OF DALLAS WELLS BECAUSE ALL THE FOLKS COMING IN FOR WORK.
SO WE, THE POPULATION ACTUALLY GROWS EXPONENTIALLY DURING THOSE TIMES.
AND FOR US TO HAVE THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO MAKE THAT CALL VOLUME, THIS PROGRAM WAS ED OUT.
OR FOR SPECIAL EVENTS WHEN YOU HAVE THE AND UM, DURING, SO, AND THIS AND WE'VE ESPECIALLY EVENTS HAVE EVEN TAKEN OFF EVEN MORE CAUSE UH, SEEING PRIVATE ANALYSIS ARE PULLING OUTTA THE SYSTEM CAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.
NO, I I MEAN THAT MODEL IS A LITTLE MORE COST EFFICIENT THAN YES.
SO ARE ARE YOU ADVOCATING THAN WE LOOK AT OTHER CITY FACILITIES THAT ARE GOING THAT MAY BE IN THE PROGRAM? NO, I, I I WAS JUST CURIOUS LIKE WHEN YOU'RE DETERMINING HOW GREAT THIS NEED IS FOR THESE FIVE DIFFERENT SITES AND THEY RANKED, I MEAN, ARE WE LOOKING AT OTHER MODELS TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE EVEN, EVEN AT THE BEST AS FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OUT BEFORE WE HAD THIS STATION.
SO ARE THERE OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS THE RESPONSE TIME? MITIGATING THE RESPONSE TIME? THE CRITICAL THAT'S, THAT'S THESE PROGRAMS ARE BUILT TO HELP US MITIGATE THE RESPONSE TIME.
WHAT THESE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT IS OUR NEEDS ARE GROWING IN THOSE AREAS.
AND SO WE'RE FORECASTING WE'RE GOING TO NEED THOSE STATIONS IN THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS BECAUSE OF THE NEED THAT'S GOING TO GROW.
THE NEXT, UH, FIVE SLIDES ACTUALLY HAVE HOW THEY DETERMINED THE YEAH.
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THE SCORING SYSTEM RELATED TO THE, UM, THE CALLS AND THEN THE, THE EQUITY AND IT'S LOOKING AT WHAT, UH, WHAT COBB WHICH IS THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION, GOVERNMENT AGENCIES PROJECTING FOR POPULATION GROWTH.SO, SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR, I'M NOT GREAT AT MATH, SO I'M JUST MAKING SURE WHAT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING FOR.
YOU HAD YOUR WISHLIST IS 178 MILLION, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S 60 MILLION FOR THE, THE FACILITY NEEDS AND 118, THAT'S A COMBINATION OF REPLACEMENT, EXPANSION, RENOVATION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DID THE BROAD BOND FROM OUR LAST MEETING COME UP WITH ANY SUGGESTED BREAKDOWN? OBVIOUSLY NO.
BUT WE'RE ALL SCRAMBLING FOR DOLLARS WITHIN THE, THEY STILL HAVEN'T I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
NO, THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US LIKE KIND OF BROAD BUCKETS YET OF WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE GONNA BE.
UM, SO, BUT WE DID TALK LAST TIME ABOUT WHEN THIS IS PRESENTED TO US HAVING THE, THE SCORES.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU SCORED THE FIVE NEW, BUT HOW ARE WE GONNA BE LOOKING AT THE SCORES FOR LIKE, THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE? WELL, HISTORICALLY WE HAD SOLELY LOOKED AT IT IN THE PAST.
UH, WHEN WE DID OUR, OUR LAST ASSESSMENT, WE JUST LOOKED AT IT ON THE AGE OF THE BUILDING.
AND SO NOW WE TAKE A LOT OF OF FACTORS INTO IT.
UM, JUST THE COST OF REPAIRS SUCH AS FOUNDATION ISSUES, THOSE MAJOR REPAIRS.
BUT WE WERE GIVEN THAT THE, THAT THE BOND OFFICE IS GONNA SCORE EVERY PROJECT FOR US.
SO, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON FINALIZING THE, THE SCORING FOR EVERY PROJECT AND, AND BREAKING DOWN NUMBERS.
UH, SO WE ARE HOPING THAT, UH, WITH THE NEXT MEETING OR THE FOLLOWING ONE, WE SHOULD HAVE THE FULL LIST WITH, WITH THE SCORING OR THE PRIORITY SCORE.
I WAS HONORED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE, WE, WHEN, WHEN, LIKE PRIOR SUBMITTED TO US OR THEIR, THEIR DESIRES, YOU WERE GONNA, YOU WERE GONNA HAVE THOSE DESIRES ALREADY SCORED, BUT THEY'RE NOT YET AT THIS.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT READY YET.
THEY DID INTERNAL SCORING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GONNA PRIORITIZE.
BUT THAT STANDARDIZED SCORING THAT WE'RE GONNA USE FOR ALL BOND PRO PROJECTS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT BEFORE WE BEFORE WE MAKE DECISIONS.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT AT THIS POINT ON EITHER OF THE PRESENTATIONS TODAY.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT MY THING, BUT SLIDE SIX SAYS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BASICALLY 5 MILLION IN MAINTENANCE, BUT THEN SLIDE 10, LINE ITEM NINE IS 3.7 MILLION.
AND I'M, I'M CORRELATING THAT LINE ITEM OF UPDATING EMERGENCY ELECTRICAL PANELS AND GENERATORS FOR MULTIPLE STATIONS WITH WHAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR INVENTORY MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
CUZ I DON'T SEE A SEPARATED LINE ITEM FOR YEAH, I'M READING IT WRONG.
FOR LIKE STRUCTURAL THINGS OR INTERIOR THINGS.
DID YOU CARVE THAT PIECE OUT OR? SO IF I MAY, SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE SETS OF MAJOR MAINTENANCE, RIGHT.
FIRE HAS SCORED AND THEN BUILDING SERVICES IS SCORED BASED ON OUR PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT OF BUILDING SERVICES.
SERVICES HAS COMPILED THE TOTAL OF 5 MILLION APPROXIMATELY OF WHAT WE HAVE AS MAJOR MEETINGS THAT IS NEEDED.
SO WE ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY, SO THERE MAY BE SOME ITEMS THAT FIRE HAS DEEMED THAT IS APPROPRIATE OR IS PRIORITY, BUT THAT WE AS BUILDING SERVICES THINK THAT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT RANKS HIGHER.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE PUT FORTH THE $5 MILLION WORTH OF ITEMS FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE FOR THE FIRE FACILITIES MM-HMM.
SO WHEN I ASKED YOU, IS THIS YOUR WISH LIST, I SHORTCHANGED 3.7, BUT FIVE IS THE WISHLIST, IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, IF THAT'S WISHES GO BACK IN THE PRESENTATION IT SAYS 265 MILLION AND THAT WAS INCLUSIVE OF SOME OF THE DOLLARS THAT BUILDING SERVICES HAS.
UM, THIS WAS THE, THE 178 MEETING WAS KIND OF OUR INITIAL LIST FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THAT SHOWED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE ALLOCATED AS OUR TOP ITEMS. AND SO, UM, BUILDING SERVICES DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF WORKING WITH US TO MAKE SURE OUR FACILITIES ARE AMICABLE FOR OUR FIREFIGHTERS AND, AND ALL OUR PERSONNEL WHILE THEY'RE AT WORK.
SO THEY ALSO HAVE A LIST THAT WE KIND OF COMBINE TOGETHER MM-HMM.
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AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE, CUZ I KNOW THE NUMBERS LOOK A LITTLE BIT WEIRD, BUT YEAH, I JUST WANNA KNOW FOR INSTANCE, ON THAT SLIDE SIX WHERE YOU HAVE FIRE, THAT'S, THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S ACTUALLY THEIR SLIDE THOUGH.
THAT'S A BUILDING INSPECTION SLIDE.
SO THAT'S OUR, OUR 5 MILLION THAT WE HAVE SAID, THESE ARE WHAT WE WOULD PRIORITIZE FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND CRITICAL FACILITIES BECAUSE REMEMBER THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL PULL MOST OF THEIRS OUT UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES AND THEY'LL HAVE A LARGER BUCKET, BUT WHAT'S LEFT UNDER THE CRITICAL FACILITIES WILL BE THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF SLIDE 10, WHICH HAS YOUR BREAKDOWN, YOUR WISHLIST IF LINE NUMBER NINE AT 3.7 IS BASED OFF OF HIS SLIDE OR IF HIS 5 MILLION ASK DOESN'T CORRELATE AT ALL WITH YOUR LINE NINE.
AND THEN WE PROVIDED OURS AT THE 5 MILLION, SO THEY'VE INCLUDED THE 3.7 AND THAT'S RELATED ONLY TO ELECTRICAL PANELS AND GENERATORS.
WHERE OURS COVERS EVERYTHING FROM FOUNDATIONS TO ROOF TO CHILLERS TO PLUMBING, ALL OF THE M P ITEMS. SO I, I DO LIKE GETTING IN THE WEEDS.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ALL OF OUR TIME FOR THAT, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW BASED OFF OF BUILDINGS, UM, SUGGESTIONS, WHAT DOESN'T CARRY OVER.
IF IT IS ONLY THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED AS INTERIOR AND STRUCTURAL AND ANYTHING LISTED AS ELECTRICAL IS PART OF YOUR ASSESSMENT.
THE REASON IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IS IT CUTS OFF CERTAIN STATIONS.
AND EVERY ONE OF US HAS A NEIGHBOR STATION THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT AND WE WANNA ENSURE IS WORKING WELL.
IF YOU, UM, HAPPEN TO HAVE A COPY OF THE LAST PRESENTATION, AND I APOLOGIZE I WASN'T HERE, BUT IT DOES, BUILDING SERVICES BREAKS DOWN WHAT WE PUT FORWARD TO GET TO THAT 5 MILLION TOTAL.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHICH FIRE STATIONS HAVE INCLUDED THE, UM, ELECTRICAL PANEL UPGRADES, WHAT'S GENERATED, WHAT'S STRUCTURAL AND WHAT'S NOT.
SO THAT NUMBER RIGHT HERE COULD CORRELATE TO THE BUILDING SERVICES NUMBER MM-HMM.
AND THESE ARE GOOD NOTES TO NOTE, TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE GO TO MAKE THE DECISION ON IT, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FAR IN ADVANCE SO WE CAN COME PREPARED.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, IF THERE'S, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WRAP UP.
WE, IT'S KIND ALLOCATED HALF OUR TIME FOR DFR AND WE HAVE, UM, NOW WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY PRESENTATION.
THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO EVERY DAY TOO.
MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHILE MAKING THE SWITCH.
JUST A SIDE POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THE 54 MILLION THAT WAS ALLOCATED IN 2017 BROKE DOWN TO AS FAR AS THEIR PROJECTS FOR D R LIKE WAS THAT ALL JUST THE REBUILD STATIONS? WELL, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM AND YOU CLICK ON AND YOU CLICK ON THAT PROPOSITION, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PROJECTS.
SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT PRETTY EASILY, BUT OKAY.
UM, I THINK IT WAS NEW AND IT PROBABLY HAVE MADE, AND I MEAN THEY'VE ALL HAD MAJOR MAINTENANCE THAT WEBSITE WAS HAPPEN.
WELL, WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE HERE.
I HAD TO LOOK, LAST TIME I LOOKED IT WASN'T WORKING.
CHAIRS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE BEHIND SCHEDULE.
SO, UH, IF WE COULD JUST LET, UH, ITS PRESENT.
UH, AND THEN AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, UH, WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND TAKE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS.
MY NAME IS WILSON AND I'M THE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER AND THE, UH, DIRECTOR FOR THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY AS WE TALK ABOUT THE NEEDS FOR TECHNOLOGY HERE IN THE CITY.
UH, WITH ME, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF SHEILA ROBINSON, AS WELL AS THE CITY'S CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER AND CHIEF INFORMATION SECURITY OFFICER, DR.
UM, THE PURPOSE
UM, THE CITY'S INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY SERVICES DEPARTMENT PROVIDES CENTRALIZED SERVICES AND ENTERPRISE CLASS TECHNOLOGY FOR MORE THAN 40 CITY DEPARTMENTS.
WE SUPPORT HIGHLY DIVERSE MISSIONS FROM POLICE AND FIRE AVIATION, ANIMAL SERVICES, LIBRARIES, TRANSPORTATION, SANITATION, PUBLIC WORKS, AND MANY, MANY MORE.
IF YOU THINK OF, UH, A SERVICE THAT THE CITY IS DELIVERING, UM, THEN THERE'S TECHNOLOGY THAT IS UNDERPINNING IT, TECHNOLOGY THAT IS BEING USED IN ORDER TO DELIVER THOSE SERVICES.
NEARLY EVERY ASPECT OF THE CITY'S DELIVERY OF PUBLIC SERVICES UNDERPINNED BY TECHNOLOGY,
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EVEN THE COUNCIL MEETINGS THEMSELVES RELY UPON TECHNOLOGY FROM THE TECHNOLOGY USED TO BROADCAST THE MEETINGS ON PUBLIC ACCESS CHANNELS, STREAMING CHANNELS, UH, TO THE VIRTUAL MEETING PLATFORM THAT ALLOWS MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY SINCE THE, UH, COVID COVID 19 PANDEMIC, UH, CHANGED KIND OF RULES ON THAT.UH, WE ALSO OPERATE A VERY LARGE REGIONAL PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO NETWORK THAT, UH, WE JUST IMPLEMENTED THIS YEAR THAT CONNECTS THE PUBLIC SAFETY FUNCTIONS OF THE CITY COUNTY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND MULTIPLE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, FACILITATES A SMOOTH AND SEAMLESS COMMUNICATIONS FROM DAILY OPERATIONS AND THE NEEDS AND TIMES OF EMERGENCIES.
AND WE PLAY A LARGE ROLE IN INSTALLING AND MAINTAINING THE RADIO'S, COMPUTERS, AND OTHER EQUIPMENT USED IN OUR POLICE AND FIRE VEHICLES.
UM, IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT, THOSE, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES ARE REALLY COMPUTERS ON WHEELS.
UH, THE, THE, THE POLICE CRUISERS ACTUALLY ALL HAVE, UM, KIND OF MEGA HOTSPOTS STALLED IN THEIR TRUNKS SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUOUSLY TRANSMITTING VIDEO TO AND FROM THE COMMAND CENTER.
SO LOTS OF TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE IN DEPLOY.
UM, WE PLAY A, UH, UH, ALSO ALL OF THESE SERVICES OPERATE ON INFRASTRUCTURE SU SUCH AS OUR CITY'S CORE TELECOMMUNICATIONS NETWORK AND THE SERVERS, ROUTERS, SWITCHES, AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS IN OUR DATA CENTER, UM, WHICH CONNECTS US TO THE CLOUD AND TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
AS TECHNOLOGY RAPIDLY INVOLVES, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY IS ABLE TO LEVERAGE NEW AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES TO EXPAND THE SCOPE AND CAPABILITIES OF THE SERVICE THAT WE DELIVER, UH, TO THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND AS WE LOOK TO THE FUTURE SENSORS, MONITORS, OPTICAL DEVICES THAT ARE BEING INSTALLED AND DEPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE CITY, ALLOWS FOR US TO REALLY MOVE TO A MUCH MORE PROACTIVE DELIVERY OF SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY.
SO UTILIZING DATA, UTILIZING THOSE SENSORS AND MONITORS, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BEGIN TO DEPLOY SERVICES SOMETIMES BEFORE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE.
BUT THAT ALL, THAT ALL RELI UPON A TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.
UM, SO, UH, WE NEED TO INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, WHAT WE'RE GONNA WALK YOU THROUGH IS THREE PROGRAMS WHERE WE HAVE NOT HAD THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT IN OUR TECHNOLOGY, AND WE HAVE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF, UH, VULNERABILITIES FROM BUSINESS CONTINUITY PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE WE NOT HAVE NOT MADE THOSE INVESTMENTS OVER TIME.
AND SO THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT REALLY ARE INTENDED TO BRING US BACK UP TO A STANDARD WHERE WE HAVE THE RELIABILITY, PERFORMANCE AND RESILIENCE WITHIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED, BUT WE'RE ALSO PREPARING US FOR FUTURE CAPABILITIES THAT WE CANNOT DO TODAY.
AND WITH THAT, SHEILA, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO YOU.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ON SHEILA ROBINSON, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND INFORMATION AND TECHNOLOGY SERVICES? SO THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR, ON OUR LIST IS OUR MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER.
AND THIS FACILITY IS LOCATED AT 31 30 DAWSON.
AND TO GIVE YOU SOME PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S NEAR THE LM IN THE AREA THAT THE CITY IS THE CENTRAL SERVICE CENTER.
SO THERE'S, UH, SANITATION CODE IN THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER, AND I THINK THERE'S THREE SUBSTATIONS IN THAT AREA.
SO THE STAFF AND, AND THAT'S A VERY OLD FACILITY THAT WAS DESIGNED IN THE 1970S.
SO THE STAFF AT THAT LOCATION, THEY PROVIDE OPERATIONAL SUPPORT TO OUR CUSTOMER DEPARTMENTS, BUT PRIMARILY TO POLICE AND FIRE.
THEY INSTALL ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGY ON IN CITY VEHICLES THAT INCLUDE THE PATROL VEHICLES AND THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES FOR FIRE.
THEY UPGRADE, UH, THE WORKING HOOPS, UPGRADING ELECTRIC AND WIRED.
THEY INSTALL ALL THE NEW COMPUTERS, THE DDRS AND THE RADIOS IN THE VEHICLES, AND ALSO THEY SERVICE AND REPAIR THE MOBILE RADIOS, THE HANDHELD RADIOS THAT OF THE OFFICERS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USE.
THERE'S ALSO STAFF THERE THAT MAINTAINS THE CITY'S TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION NETWORK, WHICH IS A P 25 COMMUNICATION NETWORK THAT BILL JUST MENTIONED.
AND ALSO THE STAFF CURRENTLY, UM, THEY HAVE ABOUT OVER 8,000 SERVICE CALLS A YEAR, AND THEY SERVICE APPROXIMATELY 12,800 DEVICES.
BUT AS THE CITY'S FLEET INCREASES AND POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS INCREASES, THEY'LL ADD MORE DEVICES TO THE, UH, INVENTORY ITEMS THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING.
SO THE CURRENT MOBILE TECHNOLOGY GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CURRENT STATE.
THE BUILDING HAS A NUMBER OF ISSUES INCLUDING WATER LEAKS AND ISSUES WITH POWER AND BACKUP.
THERE'S LEAKS IN THE ROOM, THERE'S LIMITED STORAGE OVER THERE.
THEY HOUSE ALL OF THE ITEMS AND RADIOS, DVS THAT
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THEY'RE, UH, SERVICING AND THEN INVENTORY ON HAND THAT THEY ISSUED TO NEW OFFICERS OR JUST REPLACEMENT.ALL OF THAT INVENTORY IS STORED AT THAT FACILITY.
THERE ARE ALSO SERVICE BAYS WHERE THEY DRIVE THE VEHICLES IN FOR SERVICE AND CURRENTLY THEY'RE TOO SMALL FOR SOME OF THE NEWER VEHICLES.
AND I THINK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE BAYS, MORE AREAS FOR THAT.
AND ALSO THE PARKING IS LIMITED FOR THE VEHICLES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT IN, RESTORED OR REPAIRED THAT NEEDS TO BE STORED AT THE FACILITY OR WHERE THE STAFF IS ABLE TO, UH, GET TO THOSE.
AND THE BUILDING ALSO LACKS DEDICATED SPACE.
SO OFFICE SPACE FOR STAFF, THE APPROPRIATE KIND OF BREAK AREAS FOR STAFF.
AND ALSO THEY NEED DEDICATED SPACE TO TEST THE RADIO EQUIPMENT ON TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN FIX OR IF THEY NEED TO RETURN TO THE MANUFACTURER OR REPAIR OR WARRANTY SERVICE.
SO WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING THAT WE WOULD BUILD A NEW FACILITY AND LOOK AT A CITY ON LOCATION, AND IT'S AT 31 0 2 OAK LANE.
THAT'S, UM, THEY ARE PROJECTED THAT WE BE A 70,000 SQUARE FOOT TWO STORY STRUCTURE THAT WILL INCLUDE THE SPACE FOR A STOCKROOM VEHICLE MAINTENANCE OFFICE AND LAB SPACE.
WE CHOSE THIS LOCATION BECAUSE IT'S THE SITE OF ONE OF THOSE, UH, RADIO TOWERS THAT'S A PART OF THE COMMUNICATION NETWORK AND IT'S LAND THAT'S ALREADY OWNED BY THE CITY.
SO THERE'S ACREAGE THERE TO DEVELOP A BUILDING ON SITE.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, JUST QUICKLY, I'M LOOKING AT BOTH ADDRESSES AS YOU TALK ABOUT, I SEE THE RIGGER TOWER IN THE OLD ADDRESS, NOT THE NEW ADDRESS.
LOOKS LIKE, UH, THIS IS AN EMPTY LOT.
DOES THAT LOOK LIKE THE NEW ADDRESS? UH, OH, LET'S SEE.
THIS IS 31 0 2 OH CLAIM AND 31 31 DAWSON IS RIGHT HERE.
31 31 DAWSON IS, UM, THAT'S LO THAT'S THE ADDRESS FOR THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING IN THAT DEVELOPMENT'S.
YEAH, SO, SO THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THE RADIO TOWER THAT'S EXISTING ON THE SITE THAT ACTUALLY, THAT RADIO TOWER'S ACTUALLY NOT STRUCTURALLY SOUND.
IT WAS ACTUALLY HIT BY A HELICOPTER, UH, A NUMBER OF YEARS BACK AND IT ACTUALLY IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE DEMOLISHED.
AND AND THE ONE I WHAT, WHAT ADDRESS ON 31 31 DOS IN THE CENTRAL SERVICE.
SO IS THERE RADIO TOWER CURRENTLY AT 31 2? YES.
AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW, UM, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM, THERE ARE SEVERAL TOWERS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED, BUT WE'RE ALSO UTILIZING TOWERS FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS.
IT'S A VERY MUCH AS A REGIONAL, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO NETWORK.
SO WE HAVE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS FOR THE USE OF THEIR TOWERS.
UM, AND SO THAT TOWERS IS NO LONGER NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO SYSTEM.
AND AS I SAID, IT ACTUALLY HAS STRUCTURAL, IT, IT, IT MOVES AND FLEXES IN HIGH WINDS AND IS GOING HAVE TO BE TAKEN.
I, I, I JUST BROUGHT UP 31 0 2.
I I DON'T SEE A RADIO TOWER HERE.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE LAND ON? YEAH, IT, IT, MAYBE IT'S, THERE'S A TOWER.
31 30 IS, IT'S, IT'S 3 0 98 IS ACTUALLY WHERE THE TOWER, BUT I THINK IT'S PART OF THE SAME PROPERTY.
BUT THERE'S A PICTURE ON GOOGLE OR LOOKS, IT'S A, I THINK IT'S A SIX ACRE SITE.
AND, UM, IT'S ONLY ONE, ONE ACRE IS BEING UTILIZED FOR THE, FOR THE TOWER.
SO DO WE OWN THE EQUIPMENT? I THOUGHT WE LEASED THAT EQUIPMENT WHEN WE DID THAT BIG LE THE, THE P WE, WE SERVICE ALL THE, THE, THE WIRELESS RADIOS.
SO, UH, SO THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTS.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TOWERS OR THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF? WELL, THE, THE ACTUAL, THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF, WAS IT THE, THE HANDHELD THE HANDHELD RADIOS? YEAH.
IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN FIX, THE STAFF OVER THERE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAJOR MAY, THAT NEEDS SOMETIMES A LEASE, LIKE WE LEASE THAT, THAT, THAT WE WOULD ALWAYS BE UP ON THE TECHNOLOGY.
I MAYBE I, I, NO, WE PURCHASED, SO UNDER, UNDER THE CONTRACT THOUGH, WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BRING BACK, BUT A LOT OF STAFF DOES AT THAT SITE IS ACTUALLY BE THE PROGRAMMING OF THE RADIO.
UH, AS OPPOSED TO THE, TO THE ALL OF THE MEETING.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THE ASK IS FOR A NEW FACILITY AT THIS NEW LOCATION THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SERVE ALL THOSE NEEDS RELATED TO
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AND, AND, UM, CHIEF ARTIS WAS JUST HERE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE FIRE EQUIPMENT, THE APPARATUS.SO BECAUSE THE APPARATUS CANNOT BE SERVICED AT THOSE LOCATIONS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO ALTERNATE LOCATIONS TO ACTUALLY OUTFIT ALL OF THOSE VEHICLES.
SO IT'S A LOT LESS EFFICIENT TO ACTUALLY GET THE POLICE AND FIRE, UH, VEHICLES, FLEET VEHICLES PREPARED BECAUSE IT JUST IS A CURRENT FACILITIES JUST INADEQUATE FOR SERVING THE PROCESS.
SO AGAIN, SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES WILL BE THAT THE NEW FACILITIES WILL BE DESIGNED AND CONSTRUCTED SPACE THAT'S SAFE FOR STAFF AND TO HOUSE THOSE VEHICLES THAT SERVICE THOSE VEHICLES.
AND THEN THEY UPDATE THE PHYSICAL ACCESS AND, UH, IT SECURITY OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE SOFTWARE THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND THEY'LL, WE'LL ADD A RECEPTION AREA FOR STAFF.
BRIAN TO GIVE YOU PREPARATION ON THE DATA CENTER.
AND, AND I KNOW YOU'RE IN, THAT, THAT SPACE YOU'RE IN NOW IS IN, THERE'S MULTIPLE USES, CITY USES, BUT COULD YOU MONETIZE THE PART THAT YOU'RE UTIL, I MEAN THAT'S NOW BECOME VERY EXPENSIVE REAL ESTATE BECAUSE OF ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IN DEVELOP.
SO ARE THERE, ARE THERE PLANS TO MOVE ANY OF THE OTHER CITY SERVICES OUT OF THERE? AND I MEAN, IT MONETIZED LAND TO BE ABLE TO, SO I THINK THAT IS A PART OF THE CITY'S LONG TERM.
I BELIEVE THE FOCUS RIGHT NOW IS AT
SO WE ARE IN THE PHASE, UH, PHASE APPROACH OF REMOVING ALL OF THAT STAFF AND RELOCATING THEM INTO DIFFERENT FACILITIES.
ONCE THAT IS, UH, COMPLETE, THAT WOULD BE REDEVELOPED, LEASED OR MONETIZED SOMEHOW.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CENTRAL SERVICE STATION WOULD BE THE NEXT FOCUS THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY PART AND FAST PLANS HAVE BEEN MADE BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A LARGE CONTINGENT OF CITY SERVICES THERE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO, BUT THIS WOULD BE TAKING ONE OUT OF THAT.
SO DOWN THE FUTURE IT'D BE EASIER TO DO THAT.
AND NOT, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIX A BUNCH OF AN OLD BUILDING.
I THINK IT'S STILL TOO SMALL FOR THEM TO EVEN GET.
SO, UM, CURRENTLY OUR DATA CENTER IS HOUSED HERE IN CITY HALL.
IT WAS DESIGNED IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES.
IT WASN'T DESIGNED AS A DATA CENTER.
UM, WE HAVE RETROFITTED IT TO, TO DO THAT, UH, CURRENT WE HOUSE.
UH, ALL OF OUR DATA DOES COME THROUGH CITY HALL.
UM, THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS, IT IS NOT REALLY DESIGNED FOR THE GROWTH AND THE TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE CITY DEPENDS ON FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND, UM, THE OTHER 40 PLUS DEPARTMENTS WE, WE, UH, SUPPORT.
UM, ORIGINALLY IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED OFF SPACE.
IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER BAY WITHIN CITY HALL.
SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PICTURES, THE WAY, UH, UH, DROPS ARE RUN, UH, CABLING IS DONE.
IT, IT DOES NOT, UH, REALLY TRULY, UH, PROVIDE US ADEQUATE COOLING.
THERE IS NO FIRE SUPPRESSION WITHIN THAT BAY.
IT HAS GOT PHYSICAL SECURITY ACCESS ISSUES.
IT'S SUCH A MULTIUSE AREA THAT, UM, IT'S EASILY, UH, FROM A PHYSICAL SECURITY PERSPECTIVE GOT INTO.
UM, SO ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE PHYSICAL SECURITY IN CITY HALL HERE, THAT IS A CONCERN.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT CITY, UH, PURCHASED, UM, FOR A SMALL AMOUNT, UH, THE ABILITY TO, UH, BUY, UH, THE BUILDING NEXT TO JACK EVANS IS THE OLD IBM BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY HOUSES, UH, A DATA CENTER.
IT WAS RETROFITTED, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR THE DATA CENTER.
IT'S A VERY LARGE FACILITY WHICH PROVIDES SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR IT AND CITY OF DALLAS'S, UH, TECHNOLOGY INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THE IDEA IS THAT WE WILL MOVE FROM WHAT THEY CALL A TIER ONE OR BASIC CAPACITY, WHICH DOESN'T HAVE THE SUFFICIENT REDUNDANCY, DOESN'T HAVE THE SUFFICIENT POWER, UH, THAT WE NEED AS WELL THEN TO MOVE WHAT THEY CALL A TIER THREE PLUS DATA CENTER.
UM, IT'S JUST LACKING ONE SMALL COMPONENT IN REDUNDANCY FROM A SUBSTATION PERSPECTIVE.
IT HAS VERY LARGE MULTIPLE GENERATORS THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT FACILITY TO STAY, UM, UP AND RUNNING WHEN THERE WOULD BE ANY KIND OF OUTAGE LIKE WE SAW, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I, THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE TO A 24 BY SEVEN OPERATION, UM, INCREASE THE SECURITY.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS THE SECURE, IT HAS MULTIPLE FLOORS, UH, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BADGING
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SYSTEM THAT WOULD, UH, ALLOW ONLY ACCESS TO CERTAIN PLACES.UH, ADDITIONALLY WE'D BE REDESIGNING IT.
UH, THESE FUNDS ARE BEING ALLOCATED TO, OR ASKED TO BE ALLOCATED TO HELP US DO THAT, MOVE THAT MIGRATION FROM THE CURRENT DATA CENTER TO THAT LOCATION SO WE CAN BUILD UP THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ADEQUATELY NEEDED FOR THE CITY.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY ON THAT, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS IS THIS DATA CENTER, BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE POTENTIALLY SOME OTHER, SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN, UH, SOME OTHER SPACE AS WELL AS POTENTIAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER A CO-LOCATION FOR THEIR FACILITIES.
ANY QUESTIONS? DID, DID YOU MENTION, YOU SAID WHERE IT WOULD BE RELOCATED TO? IT WOULD BE RELOCATED.
IT IS ACTUALLY THE FACILITY NEXT TO JACK EVANS.
THERE'S A PARK PARKING GARAGE THAT IS, UH, LOCATED BETWEEN JACK EVANS AND THIS BUILDING.
THAT'S HOW THIS, UH, THIS LOW AMOUNT FOR THIS PURCHASE, THIS BUILDING.
SO, SO, SO BASICALLY WHAT OCCURRED IS THAT WE, THE CITY HAD BEEN LEASING THE PARKING GARAGE THAT'S ATTACHED TO THIS BUILDING FOR 20 PLUS YEARS.
AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY A CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT THAT SAID IF WE THE CITY CONTINUOUSLY LEASE THAT PROPERTY, THE LEASE, THE PARKING GARAGE, THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT WE COULD EXERCISE AN OPTION AND WE COULD PURCHASE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, WHICH IS INCLUDING A TIER THREE PLUS DATA CENTER FOR A DOLLAR.
SO IN 2019, THE CITY EXERCISED THE OPTION ON THAT BUILDING.
UH, WE WOULD NOT TAKE POSITION AT THAT BUILDING UNTIL, UH, OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.
UM, BUT THE, THE, THERE'S ABOUT 12 TO 15 MILLION WORTH OF INSTALLED SERVICEABLE EQUIPMENT THAT'S BUILT AS A DATA CENTER, RIGHT? SO IT HAS THE EQUIPMENT IN THE FACILITY THAT EQUIPMENT CONTAIN, CONTINUES TO BE SERVICEABLE.
IT HAS AN EXTENDED LIFE ON IT.
UM, IBM WILL NOT BE TAKING THAT EQUIPMENT OUT BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY MORE EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO TAKE IT OUT THAN TO JUST CONVEY THAT EQUIPMENT WITH THE BUILDING.
SO WE, WE ALREADY HAVE, WE WILL TAKE POSSESSION OF THE BUILDING ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2024.
IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED AS A DATA CENTER.
UM, THIS, UH, UPTIME INSTITUTE IS A, IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES TIERING OF DATA CENTERS AND YOU REALLY, YOU REALLY MOVE FROM THERE IS A TIER ZERO.
IT'S BASICALLY IF I LIKE STUCK A COMPUTER UNDER MY DESK AND I RAN SERVICES ON IT, THAT WOULD BE TIER ZERO.
WE ARE THE NEXT STEP UP ABOVE THAT.
BRIAN TALKED ABOUT THE MIXED USE FACILITY.
JOHN AND FOLKS DO A GREAT JOB OF, OF COORDINATING WITH US AND WORKING WITH US.
BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN A MIXED USE FACILITY AND YOU HAVE THINGS THAT OCCUR, LIKE THE WATER SYSTEM GOES DOWN, UM, THAT CUTS OFF THE WATER TO OUR CHILLERS, THE TEMPERATURES START TO SPIKE, THE MACHINES START TO COME DOWN.
THESE ARE THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN A MIXTURE FACILITY.
SO OUR DESIRE AND OUR, OUR, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO MOVE, UM, ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY SITTING IN THE CITY HALL DATA CENTER ALONG WITH EQUIPMENT THAT IS OUT ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE CITY, MOVE IT ALL WITHIN A TIER THREE PLUS DATA CENTER, IMPROVE ITS RESILIENCE, IMPROVE ITS CAPABILITIES, IMPROVE THE PERFORMANCE OF THE, OF THE CITY'S SYSTEMS, HAVE IT IN A FACILITY THAT'S NOT MIXED USE, THAT'S REALLY INTENDED AS A DATA CENTER.
HOW LONG AGO WAS IT A DATA CENTER? OH, IT'S STILL BEEN CURRENTLY A DATA CENTER.
IT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING AS A DATA CENTER.
AND IT WAS CONVERTED, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A SEARS ROEBUCK WAREHOUSE, SEARS ROEBUCK BACK IN THE SIXTIES OR SEVENTIES BEGAN TO RUN THEIR, THEIR HEADQUARTER OPERATIONS OUT OF IT.
AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN THE LATE SEVENTIES, THEY CONVERTED IT TO A DATA CENTER.
SO IT'S BEEN CONTINUOUSLY OPERATING AS A DATA CENTER SINCE THE LATE SEVENTIES.
AND THERE ARE CURRENTLY SEVERAL VERY LARGE RESIDENTS THAT ARE BEING PROVIDED SERVICES.
AND THEN THE CO-LOCATION ASPECT OF IT, DO YOU ALREADY HAVE, ARE, ARE YOU GONNA RE REMAIN WITH THE COMPANIES THAT ARE ALREADY USING THE FACILITY OR IS IT NEW? POTENTIALLY.
SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UM, THREE SEPARATE FLOORS IN THE BUILDING THAT EACH HAVE ABOUT 25,000 SQUARE FEET OF, OF WHAT THEY CALL DATA CENTER FLOOR OR WHITE SPACE.
UM, WE WOULD NEVER NEED MORE THAN ONE FLOOR.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE ARE TWO OTHER FLOORS AT 25,000 SQUARE FEET.
EACH LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS, UM, WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES THAT ARE LOOKING FOR CO-LOCATION SPACE, UM, THAT WOULD WANT TO, WOULD POSSIBLY WANT TO PARTNER WITH ANOTHER, UM, GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY.
THIS WOULD BE A WAY TO, AGAIN, GENERATE REVENUE, TO CUT THE ACTUAL COST OF THE OPERATION, BUT ALSO PROVIDE A SOLUTION FOR THEM.
WE WOULD NOT BE OPERATING, UM, WE WOULD NOT BE OPERATING THE CO-LOCATION SPACE.
WE'D ACTUALLY HIRE ON A PROFESSIONAL VENDOR WHO DOES THIS FOR A LIVING IN TERMS OF OPERATING THOSE COLO, UM, SPACE.
BUT WOULD IT WOULD ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE STREAM FOR THE CITY TO, TO, UM,
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IN, IN ESSENCE PAY FOR A LARGE PORTION OF OUR OWN DATA CENTER OPERATIONS.IT WOULD PROBABLY BE TOO MUCH TO ASK TO GET SOME PROJECTION ON WHAT THAT POTENTIAL REVENUE WOULD BE TO SEE HOW, I MEAN, THIS BECOMES AN INVESTMENT, THIS MONEY IN AND KNOWING THAT HAD A CHANCE TO GET SOMEONE BACK.
IS THERE ANY WAY TO KNOW WHAT THAT YEAH, SO WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON SOME OF THAT NOW IN TERMS OF, SO WE, IF WE WERE TO OFFER THOSE SERVICES TO, TO ANOTHER CITY, WE DO HAVE LIMITATION.
WE'RE NOT AN NOT FOR PROFIT BUSINESS.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS NOT ONLY WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THOSE SERVICES, BUT HOW WOULD THAT FIT WITHIN, UM, UM, KIND OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN CHARGE FOR THOSE SERVICES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING, WE WANNA TO SEE SOME OF THAT BEFORE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT REDUNDANCY WITH THAT, UH, HELP, IF YOU'D HAD THAT KIND OF REDUNDANCY, WOULD IT HAVE HELPED IN THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH TECHNOLOGY, THE RANSOMWARE SITUATION, WOULD YOU HAVE HAD ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO RECOVER WHAT YOU GOT OR IT WOULD PROVIDE US BETTER OPPORTUNITIES FOR REDUNDANCY GIVEN THE CURRENT EVENTS.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS REDUNDANCY WITHIN THE OPERATION OF THE CENTER OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE BUILDING ITSELF WITH RESPECT TO, UH, STANDBY POWER AND, UH, REDUNDANCY OF ACCESS TO FIBER AND OTHER CABLING AND OUTSIDE THE BUILDING? OR IS IT WITHIN LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE OF FOOTPRINT WITHIN THE BUILDING? SO YOU COULD RUN MORE COMPUTERS OR MORE SERVERS YES.
UM, AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THE THIRD PART ABOUT, WHICH ALSO PLAYS INTO THIS, UH, THIS ASK AROUND OUR TECHNICAL DEBT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND THAT WOULD, WITH THE TECHNICAL DEBT AND THE REDUNDANCY WITHIN THE DATA CENTER, WOULD OFFER US A LOT MORE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MANAGE, BE MORE ROBUST INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BUILT IN REDUNDANCY AND RESILIENCY WOULD CERTAINLY HAVE HELPED, BUT IT WOULD BE ONE, ONE ELEMENT OF MULTIPLE THINGS THAT SHE HELPED.
NO, I I, I WISH EVERY DAY I WISH THERE WAS A SILVER BULLET.
SINCE YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE INVOLVED, THERE'S NOT A SILVER BULLET
SO, SO THANK YOU THAT THE LAST PIECE IS, UH, THE CITY'S TECHNICAL DEBT.
WHAT TECHNICAL DEBT IS, IS THE ACCUMULATION OF, UH, AGING SYSTEMS, WHETHER THAT BE HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, YOUR FIBER, ALL THE WAY, ALL THE WAY UP TO YOUR APPLICATION BASE.
UM, SO WHAT IT IS, IS OVER TIME THE CITY HAS ACCUMULATED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TECHNICAL DEBT.
UM, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T UPGRADED SYSTEMS, WE HAVEN'T, UH, INCREASED BANDWIDTH TO SOME OF THE FIBER.
WE HAVEN'T CHANGED OUT THE HARDWARE WHERE IT'S NECESSARY.
SO WE HAVE SOME VERY OLD SYSTEMS, AND THIS PROGRAM REALLY IS MEANT TO ADDRESS THE CURRENT TECHNICAL DEBT BECAUSE WE ARE KIND OF ON A SLIDE TO, UH, MAKING IT'S BECOMING WORSE OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS.
SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO DO IS TO FUND THAT, TO BE ABLE TO ADD THE REDUNDANCY, NOT JUST FROM THE PHYSICAL LOCATION, BUT WITHIN THE SYSTEMS THEMSELVES, BRINGING NEWER HARDWARE, UPDATING SOFTWARES WHERE IT'S NECESSARILY, UM, INCLUDING LICENSING, UH, GOING THROUGH ALL OF THOSE PIECES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO THEN, UH, BE MORE RESILIENT TO YOUR POINT, UM, THERE COULD BE A LOT OF REASONS WHY THIS OCCURRED.
IT COULD BE BECAUSE OF COST, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, LACK OF OWNERSHIP.
UM, JUST BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WAS SO COMPLEX.
UM, TECHNICAL DEBT IS NOT UNIQUE TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, IS, UH, EVERY ORGANIZATION FACES IT AS A, AS SYSTEMS AGE.
UM, THEY BECOME DIFFICULT TO MANAGE.
THEY BECOME VERY VULNERABLE TO, TO NEWER, UH, SECURITY TECHNIQUES.
UM, AND THOSE THINGS ARE WHAT LEADS TO SORT OF THE EVENTS THAT, THAT CITIES AND OTHER ENTITIES THAT OCCUR, INCLUDING CITY DALLAS.
SO, UM, WHAT WE ARE DO PLANNING TO DO IS OUTLINE A SEVEN YEAR PROGRAM TO REDUCE OUR TECHNICAL DEBT.
YOU NEVER CAN ELIMINATE IT, BUT YOU CAN MANAGE IT.
AND THE IDEA OF THE SEVEN YEAR PROGRAM IS TO MANAGE OUR TECHNICAL DEBT, BEGINNING WITH, UH, TRYING TO INCREASE THAT SPEND AND THAT THAT ASK TO BE ABLE TO GET AHEAD OF US AND THEN BECOMING INTO A MANAGEABLE POSITION.
SO YEAR ONE AND TWO ARE REALLY LOOKING AT ASSESSING AND ADDRESSING THE CRITICAL SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE MOST CRITICAL AREAS, AND THEN STARTING TO COME UP WITH A PROGRAM
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AND PERFORMANCE INDICATORS TO WHERE WE CAN THEN MANAGE IT IN A SUFFICIENT PROGRAM MANNER.SO THE 20 MILLION IS INTENDED FOR TO BE SPREAD OUT OVER THE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD THAT IS INITIAL ACCESS.
SO IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR, WE COMPLETED A COMPREHENSIVE INVENTORY OF ALL OF THE CITY SYSTEMS. WE HAVE 865 DOCUMENTED SYSTEMS THAT WE OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY.
FULL RANGE OF ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF.
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE IS, IS AS WE'RE INVENTORYING THOSE SYSTEMS, WE'RE ALSO ASSESSING THE RELATIVE HEALTH OF THOSE AND TRACKING WHICH ONES ARE BEYOND, UM, UH, OUR MULTIPLE VERSIONS BEHIND, BEHIND ON SOFTWARE ARE BEHIND IN TERMS OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE RUNNING ON.
BRIAN WAS MENTIONING, WE'RE THEN LOOKING AT FROM A RISK-BASED APPROACH, WHICH ONES ARE, ARE, ARE THE MOST ACUTE IN NATURE, BUT LOOKING AT PUTTING A PLAN IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO REMEDIATE THAT TECHNICAL DEBT TO REDUCE OUR RISK OF BUSINESS CONTINUITY DISRUPTIONS, JUST BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE OF WHAT'S THERE IN PLACE, BUT ALSO TO PROTECT OURSELVES AND INOCULATE OURSELVES AGAINST THE KIND OF ATTACKS THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER.
UM, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR A WHILE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, UH, THE, THE RISK TO THE CITY IN HAVING THESE OLD AND AGING SYSTEMS IS THAT BUSINESS CONTINUITY NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE THEY FAIL.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE, FOR AS AN EXAMPLE, THE, THE SYSTEM WITHIN THE FIRE STATIONS THAT ACTUALLY ALERTS EVERYONE TO A CALL THAT THE, THE BRAND IS LOCATION, BUT IT'S A FIRE STATION ALERTING SYSTEM.
UH, THAT SYSTEM WAS ORIGINALLY PUT IN PLACE MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO.
IT HAS NOT BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY UPDATED OR UPGRADED, AND IT HAS HAD FAILURES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS OUT NOW, UM, TO REPLACE THAT SYSTEM.
BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES OF THOSE SORTS OF THINGS WHERE THEY ARE VERY CRITICAL BUSINESS FUNCTIONS THAT ARE RUNNING ON SOME REALLY OLD STUFF.
SO TO THAT END, OUT OF THE 20 MILLION, IS THAT YOUR TOTAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT OR IS THAT THE PRIORITIZED LIST OUT OF THE 865 PROGRAMS? SO, SO WHAT WE SEE HAPPENING IS IT'S, IT WE SEE THERE'S A LOT OF THESE SYSTEMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE FUNDING STREAM, RIGHT? EITHER BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT ITSELF SAYS WE NEED TO UPGRADE, WE NEED TO HAVE NEW THINGS IN PLACE.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED, UH, AND WE HAVE A MONTHLY TECHNOLOGY ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT WHERE WE SHOW ALL THE PROJECTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN RUN AND WHICH ONES ARE ADDRESSING TECHNICAL DATA.
SO WE HAVE MANY INSTANCES WHERE THOSE SYSTEMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED BY THE DEPARTMENT OR US WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
THERE'S ALREADY FUNDING THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE.
THERE'S ALREADY PLANS FOR BEING ABLE TO UPGRADE THOSE.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF SYSTEMS WHERE THAT'S NOT NATURALLY COMING TO THE FLOOR.
SO THE 20 MILLION IS TO REALLY ADDRESS THOSE THAT DON'T OTHERWISE HAVE A FUNDING STREAM THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY FOR THEM.
SO THIS IS A SUBSET OF THE TOTAL TECHNICAL DEBT THAT WE SEE IN OUR ENVIRONMENT, BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE HA WE HAVE RATCHETED DOWN BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR, FOR SOME OF THOSE.
SO WILL THE 20 MILLION BY NEW SOFTWARE CONSULTING SERVICES TO UPDATE THE SOFTWARE, WHAT WILL THE 20 MILLION COVER? SO IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS, RIGHT? IT COULD BE SOFTWARE IN MANY INSTANCES WE ARE LOOKING AT, UM, SOME OF THE REASON WE HAVE SOME OF THE TECHNICAL DATA IS, IS WE, THE CITY MADE DECISIONS YEARS AND YEARS AGO THAT WE WOULD NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND GET A COMMERCIAL OFF THE SHELF PRODUCT THAT WE WERE GOING TO CHOOSE A HYBRID MODEL WHERE WE HAD SOME ON PREMISE.
SO FOR SOME OF THESE, WE'RE DOING THINGS LIKE SAYING, IS THERE AN OPTION FOR US TO ACTUALLY JUST MAKE THIS A SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE? WE'RE GONNA FULLY WHOLLY MOVE CLOUD BASED PLATFORM, RIGHT? SO WE'LL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS FOR EACH OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.
BUT THE DESIRE IS IS THAT FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE, WE'RE GONNA RATIONALIZE THE OPERATION OF THAT, UH, PROGRAM OR THAT SYSTEM.
IT COULD BE THAT IT'S PURELY LICENSING BECAUSE IT'S A SOFTWARE, SOFTWARE AS A SERVICE MODEL, OR IT COULD BE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE PROCURING SERVICES AND, AND, UM, HARDWARE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO, UH, REDEVELOP THOSE APPLICATIONS.
WOULD WE BE, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SEE UM, UH, ALSO AN ESTIMATE OF POWER, I'M SORRY, THE ESTIMATE OF HOW WE WOULD APPLY THE 20 MILLION YEARS SO YEARS? YEAH, WE CAN ACTUALLY PROVIDE THAT.
THAT'S AN INTERESTING, I MEAN, GO AHEAD.
YOU REALLY CAN'T DO THE TECHNICAL DEBT REMEDIATION PROGRAM VERY WELL UNLESS YOU DO THE DATA CENTER IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE MAKE DIFFERENT.
YEAH, THERE CERTAINLY IS A NEXUS IN A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THOSE.
IT, IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING.
AND MY GUESS IS THEN IF YOU CAME BACK SUBSEQUENTLY, BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN TIME YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THE DATA CENTER AND, AND, AND YOU DID IT, IF YOU FLIP THE ORDER, THEN IT WOULD BE EXPONENTIALLY MORE MONEY MONEY TO DO THAT.
POTENTIALLY IT WOULD BE MORE MONEY.
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UM, I THINK OUR OPTIONS, WE HAVE LOOKED AT MULTIPLE TIMES WITH THE CURRENT DATA CENTER ON HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT DATA CENTER PRIOR TO EVEN THIS BUY THAT, UH, RETROFITTING WHAT WE HAVE IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT.UM, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE MOVING TO A CO-LOCATION WHERE WE'RE LEASING THAT SPACE.
ANOTHER ASPECT TO THIS, AND I, AND I I USE THE TERM WE'RE NOT GONNA MOVE OLD CRAP CENTER, RIGHT? SO, SO, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING, BUILDING OUT WHETHER IT'S IMPROVING THE CURRENT DATA CENTER, MOVING TO A NEW DATA CENTER, UM, IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO JUST LIFT AND SHIFT STUFF THAT'S INEFFICIENTLY RUNNING OVER TO THE NEW DATA CENTER.
SO WE ARE SEEING THESE AS PARALLEL PATHS, UH, TO RATIONALIZING THE, UH, THE SYSTEMS AND THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE OPERATING SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE MADE THAT MOVE TO THE NEW DATA CENTER, YOU REALLY ARE RUNNING IN A MUCH MORE MODERNIZED ENVIRONMENT.
AND ARE THESE RANKED IN ORDER OF PRIORITY FOR YOU GUYS? NO, WE DIDN'T, WE DID NOT RANK THEM IN PRIORITY.
WOULD THE BIGGEST PRIORITY BE THE DATA CENTER? UH, YES.
THE BIGGEST PRIORITY FOR ME WOULD BE THE DATA CENTER.
I, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE, THE CURRENT DATA CENTER IS HORRIBLY INADEQUATE TO MEET THE CITY'S NEEDS TODAY, LET ALONE INTO THE FUTURE.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF DESIRE TO MOVE OUT IN THESE MORE MODERN TECHNOLOGIES WHERE WE'RE USING, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THESE MONITORS, OPTICAL DEVICES OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY TO ACCRUE SERVICES.
UM, IT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT WITHOUT REALLY ENSURING THAT WE HAVE A DATA CENTER THAT CAN OPERATE THOSE SERVICES.
IF WE, IF YOU HAVE, UH, A LIST FOR THE TECHNICAL DEBT REMEDIATION THAT, UH, NOTES THE INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM COSTS, LIKE, HEY, IF WE COULD UPGRADE OUR BID PROCUREMENT SOFTWARE THAT WAS CREATED CUSTOM BUT ISN'T AS EFFICIENT NOW, IT'S WHAT WE COULD GET.
BUT THERE WOULD CREATE, UM, AN EFFICIENCY MODEL THAT COULD BE A COST SAVINGS OF THE ADVERTISED OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING INFORMATION TO HAVE.
SO, SO WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS THAT.
I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
UM, SO WE DID THE FULL AND COMPLETE DOCUMENTATION OF ALL THE SYSTEMS THAT WE'RE RUNNING 865.
UM, WE ALSO DOCU DOCUMENTED THEM IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPE OF SERVICE, WHAT IS IT THAT THAT SYSTEM DOES? THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, WE HAVE 32 DIFFERENT PAYMENT SYSTEMS IN THE, THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME PAYMENT SYSTEM.
THERE'S, THERE MAY BE VERY GOOD REASONS WHY THATCAN AND THAT SORT OF WAY, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, THE RANSOMWARE ATTACK AND WHAT WE FACE TODAY, THE IDEA THAT YOU HAVE TO PROTECT 20 DIFFERENT SYSTEMS THAT ALL DO THE SAME THING, AND THAT IN YOU HAVE 20 DIFFERENT CONTRACTS TO DO THAT SAME THING.
SO WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS, WE'RE ALSO TAKING A LOOK AT, FROM AN ENTERPRISE LEVEL, WHY SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO RUN 20 DIFFERENT PAYMENT SYSTEMS IN 32 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS? BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM A PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE, IF THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, THAT INDIVIDUAL NOW HAS TO HAVE FIVE SEPARATE LOGINS AND FIVE DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO THERE'S AN ELEMENT TO IT THAT WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE INDIVIDUAL SYSTEMS, THE RELATIVE HEALTH AND WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR THEM, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THOSE AREAS IN WHICH WE HAVE THESE KIND OF INEFFICIENCIES THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO DO THIS IN A MUCH BETTER WAY, IN A MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE WAY, AND ALLOW FOR US TO REDUCE THE COMPLEXITY IN OUR ENVIRONMENT, UM, AND TO BETTER SECURE THAT ENVIRONMENT AS WELL.
SO WHEN WE GET TO SOMETHING LIKE A, LIKE A RANSOMWARE ATTACK AND YOU'RE SAYING I'M NOT JUST RESTORING ONE THING, I'M RESTORING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING 20 TIMES, THAT THAT'S GONNA STRETCH OUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES TO, TO RESTORE.
DOES THE, UM, IS THERE ANY GENERAL FUND BUDGET ALLOCATED FOR REMEDIATION, DEBT REMEDIATION, TECHNICAL DEBT REMEDIATION? I MEAN, TO ME THIS, THIS SEEMS LIKE A GENERAL FUND EXPENSE, NOT NECESSARILY A, UM, A BOND.
SO IN THIS 2024 BUDGET, UM, REQUEST, UM, I DID PUT SHE, DO YOU REMEMBER THE AMOUNT THAT FOR THE REMEDIATION? THIS? I'M NOT SURE.
YEAH, I DID PUT SOME IN, I, BUT I, BUT I, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 2 MILLION.
AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY BEING FUNDED BECAUSE, BECAUSE THERE ARE, THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNCTIONALITY.
BUT I HAVE PUT IN FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET ADDITIONAL MONEY SPECIFICALLY FOR TECHNICAL DEBT REMEDIATION.
EVEN IF IT WAS A SPITBALL ESTIMATE, LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE YOU COULD SAY, IF I CAN'T GIVE YOU 20, BUT I CAN GIVE YOU 10, WHERE IS THAT 10 MOST NEEDED IN THE SENSE OF, AND WHERE DOES IT TAKE US AND WHAT MODEL HELPS US TO, UM, TO HAVE A COST SAVINGS
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LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.I'M JUST TRYING TO WEIGH OUT, UH, URGENCY.
YEAH, AND WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.
MY, MY EARLIER QUESTION WAS RELATED TO THAT AS WELL.
WE KNOW IN WHAT YEAR YOU'RE PAYING IS THE MONEY, WELL THEN PERHAPS SOME OF IT CAN, CAN HOLD OFF TILL THE NEXT ONE RIGHT? AND REDUCES TO WHAT WE NEED IN THE NEXT STAGE.
OH, LET'S, LET'S PAY FOR IT WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE BANK.
I'M SURPRISED IT EVEN QUALIFIES ACTUALLY FOR, FOR BOND DOLLARS.
CUZ DOES IT LAST? SO, SO INITIALLY WE, WE DID NOT, WE INCLUDED THE OTHERS BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT, THERE'S, YEAH.
UM, BUT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MENDELSSOHN AND COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO INCLUDE IT IN THE, THE BONDS.
UM, AND, AND DOES LEGAL SITE QUALIFIES FOR BOND DOLLARS? I HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT.
I, I HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT IS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE BOND PROGRAM BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE'S TECHNICAL CRITERIA THAT IT HAS TO BE IMPROVEMENTS THAT LAST 20 YEARS OR LONGER.
SO I, I MEAN I DON'T, AND GENERALLY YOU DON'T WANT THESE SYSTEMS TO LAST.
YOU WANT, I KNOW THAT'S BUILDING, RIGHT? I MEAN THE, THE CENTER IS A, THAT IS A, A, A PRIME EXAMPLE OF A BOND IMPROVEMENT.
UM, WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, BUT IN FACT, THOSE ARE ALL GOOD QUESTIONS.
I THINK WE'VE BOTH ASKED YOU THAT FOR A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.
I'M ASSUMING THESE WILL BE, HAVE THAT CRITERIA APPLIED TO THEM AS WELL GOING FORWARD.
UM, SO FOR OUR NEXT, I MEAN WE, BACK TO BACK MEETINGS NEXT WEEK WE HAVE A, A MEETING I THINK WE HAVE ON THAT IS POLICE AND LIBRARIES AND LIBRARIES.
I AM NOT GONNA BE HERE, I HAVE A PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENT, UM, THAT BEFORE I KNEW THE SCHEDULE BUT IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE ME HERE.
I'LL CHECK WITH CO-CHAIR, UM, MADANO, HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT.
MAKE SURE HE'S GONNA BE HERE SO FULLY THAT ONE OF YOU ALL COULD STEP UP AND DO THIS IF, IF NECESSARY.
UM, I'M PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE MYSELF WITH THESE TWO THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE BRIEFED FROM MY PREVIOUS TIME ON COUNCIL, BUT I KNOW, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF NEEDS.
SO, UM, AND IN THE NEXT PRESENTATIONS, UM, WHEN, UH, MATERIALS JUST, I MEAN I KNOW YOU WOULD HOPE TO GET THESE TO US LAST FRIDAY AND WE DIDN'T GET 'EM UNTIL YESTERDAY.
WHAT ABOUT WHEN DO YOU THINK, I KNOW THIS IS BACK TO BACK, BUT, SO FOR THE NEXT MEETING WE SHOULD, UH, BY THURSDAY.
AND I KNOW THEY, THEY JUST BRIEFED PUBLIC SAFETY, JUST DID CIVIL, I'M SIM I'M THINKING IT'S A SIMILAR BRIEFING THAT THEY DID TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE LAST MONDAY.
UM, AS LIBRARIES PRESENTED TO, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE ANY WITH THIS PRESENTATION THEY HAVE.
OKAY, SO THEY BOTH JUST RECENTLY PREPARED THIS FOR THE COUNCIL.
AND UH, I HAVEN'T GOT THEIR FINAL, UH, DRAFT, BUT I I SHOULD BE GETTING IT EITHER, EITHER TOMORROW OR, OKAY.
SO IF THERE'S, IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW BEFORE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN SEND BACK TO
SO, SO JUST TO VERIFY, IT'S THE 20TH, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU SIX TO SEVEN NIGHT OR TUESDAY? IT'S THE INAUGURATION.
OH YES, IT IS THE INAUGURATION DAY.
I THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT IN BEFORE COUNCIL WAS ON RECESS, SETH, TOTAL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE'RE TRYING NO, THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT BACK.
AND I MET WITH JENNA, I JUST TALKED TO HAD A, OH, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE MEETING AT SIX 30 AT, UH, I MEAN, SORRY, SEVEN 30, UH, 7:30 PM JUNE 13TH.
UM, NO, THERE'S NOT A NUMBER AT, THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT.
THE BOND DEPART, THE BOND OFFICE IS, IT'S WHAT JENNIFER'S TOLD ME THAT SURE.
AND I'LL, I'LL, I ASKED THAT QUESTION THAT I WENT TO LAST TIME, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT.
AND THEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION? NOW YOU REMEMBER YOU SAID IN THERE, KRISTEN, AFTER, UM, I DID.
YOU WERE JUST, I OH, ABOUT I I DID SEE IF THEY WOULD CLARIFY IT WHEN IT'S RELATED TO LIKE IF IT'S MA IN PARKS, THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE RELATED TO PARKS, IF THAT'LL BE PART OF THE PARKS ALLOCATING THAT OR IF WE WILL HAVE TO PUT IT IN OUR BUDGET.
CAUSE THERE WERE A PIECE OF WHAT WE RECEIVED LAST WEEK THAT WERE PARKED WHERE FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE GONNA BE ABLE TO CARVE THAT.
I PUSHED IT TO BACK, I TRIED TO ENCOURAGE THAT ON LINE TO PUSH WELL CRITICAL FACILITIES THAT THAT WAS THEIR, THEIR WELL, BECAUSE THEY TAKE CARE OF IT NOW.
THEY MAINTAIN LIKE THE RECREATION CENTER.
SO IT'S, IT'S, THEY HAD TO PREPARE WHAT THE EXHIBITS ARE, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THEIR PROPOSITION.
IT'S LIKE, WELL IF IT'S THE FILTER BUILDING
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THAT'S A FACILITY, NOT A PARK, NOT A GREEN SPACE.AND ALL THE RESTROOMS, THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, THEY'RE NODDING AND ALL.