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[2024 Capital Bond Streets and Transportation Subcommittee Meeting on June 28, 2023.]
IT'S 6 0 7.SO LET'S, UH, START THE, START THE MEETING.
UM, JUST A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING THINGS BEFORE WE BEGIN.
THIS HAS BEEN PUT ON, UH, AS AN EXTRA MEETING, AS KIND OF A, UM, UH, WAY FOR US AS A WORKSHOP.
AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT STAFF WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THIS MEETING OFF THE GROUND.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A BIG COUNCIL DAY TODAY, THE LAST COUNCIL DAY BEFORE, BEFORE THE HO BEFORE THEIR JULY BREAK.
AND THEN I WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS BECAUSE WITH YOUR DILIGENCE, YOU, YOU'VE ASKED US FOR THIS, UM, A LOT OF YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD A HALLWAY CONVERSATION ALMOST PRACTICALLY IN THE PARKING LOT AFTER THE LAST MEETING, AND YOU WANTED TO HAVE THIS KIND OF, KIND OF, UH, TASK FORCE MEETING.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE SO DILIGENT AND, AND WANNA DO SUCH A GOOD JOB.
I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TONIGHT.
I THINK WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT WAS ON WEBEX THAT IS GONNA, DO WE, DO YOU HAVE ONE PERSON, JENNY? WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE, WHICH, WHO WAS IT? OH, YES.
MARA AND CANDACE ARE BOTH ON WEBEX.
SO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY, RIGHT, TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, AND MAURA, YOU CAN, YOU CAN HEAR AND SPEAK? YES.
AND BEVERLY SAID, EMAILED ME THAT SHE WAS GONNA BE ON, SO MAYBE SHE'S RUNNING A LITTLE LATE.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME FIRST, CUZ WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE CAN SEE YOU, BUT IT'S SO TINY.
UM, JUST PLEASE, I'VE LOST WEIGHT.
PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME, PLEASE SAY YOUR NAME FIRST.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
IF THERE'S THREE PEOPLE, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE TASK FORCE HERE, SO THAT'S GOOD.
UM, SO WE'RE JUST GONNA START OFF WITH THE STAFF GIVING US, UM, A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION.
FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE MEMBERS, THEY HAVE, THEY, UH, THEY JUST WANNA HAVE MORE INFORMATION, A BETTER UNDERSTANDING, I GUESS, UH, IS A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT.
UH, NOT ONLY THE OVERLAYS, BUT THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
SO DOES THE STAFF WANNA JUST GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS OR DO THEY WANNA EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA AND THE OVERLAYS? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, GOOD EVENING, THIS IS LIO, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, WE HAVE PROVIDED THE INFORMATION FOR TECHNICAL CRITERIA BEFORE.
IF, UH, THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, WE WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT.
UM, BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, MA'AM, WE CAN GO OVER THIS TECHNICAL CRITERIA ALSO AT THE SAME TIME.
BEFORE WE START DOING THAT, I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT IN ONE OF OUR BRIEFINGS, AND I GUESS THEY'VE PUT THAT ON OUR, OKAY, RIGHT.
THEY PUT THAT ON OUR, ON OUR DESKS HERE.
I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THERE ARE LIKE SIX AREAS THAT WE'RE REVIEWING, AND SOME OF THEM HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND POINTS IN A POINT SYSTEM.
THEY'RE NOT ALL EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO REMEMBER, THERE'S ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION, THERE'S UNIMPROVED ALLEYS, THERE'S SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S BRIDGE REPAIR CRITERIA.
OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STREET CRITERIA.
LEMME GET BACK TO THE FIRST OF THE FIRST OF THIS.
UM, THERE'S UNIMPROVED STREET CRITERIA AND ONE MORE, UH, STREET RESURFACING CRITERIA.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S LOTS WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, MAYBE I, I WANNA CHANGE, UH, CHANGE THIS IN THE ALLEY CRITERIA.
JUST REMEMBER TO STATE EXACTLY WHICH, WHICH AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU GUYS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SENT YOU, THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ON WEBEX, A LINK TO THIS.
SHOULD I JUST SAYING? YES, WE DID.
SO THERE IS A LINK IN YOUR EMAIL TO THE PRESENTATION, WHICH WAS, UM, THAT HAS ALL THE CRITERIA, THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA, AND THE OVERLAYS IN IT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT.
SO DID WE DECIDE WE WERE GONNA GO OVER THE CRITERIA OR WE'RE GONNA JUST TO HAVE, JUMP INTO QUESTIONS? WE CAN JUMP INTO QUESTIONS IF, OKAY.
UM, MEMBERS, WHAT, WHAT QUESTIONS MIGHT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE CRITERIA OR THE OVERLAYS? YES.
SH THIS IS MORRIS SCHREYER FLEMING.
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SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, THE FINAL REPORT.AND I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE CRITERIA THERE, AND I NOTICED THAT IT'S DIFFERENT THAN SLIDE 21, 29 ON THE JUNE 13TH SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, UH, PACKET PAGES THAT SAYS IT IS SIX SIDEWALKS IMPROVEMENT CRITERIA.
SO, AND, AND THE, THE, THE REASON WHY, I'LL JUST POINT THAT OUT.
WE WERE ASKED, I THINK, WAS IT TWO MEETINGS AGO? AND I THINK IT WAS GUTS THAT ASKED US FOR OUR INPUT ON CRITERIA.
AND I WAS THINKING A WHY AT THIS LATE STAGE ARE WE EVEN BEING ASKED? BUT WHY IS THERE EVEN A DIFFERENCE? BECAUSE IN THAT MASTER SIDEWALK PLAN, FINAL PLAN, IT'S GOT PLACES OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION, 20% EQUITY, 20% STREET CLASSIFICATION, 10% CITIZEN REQUEST, 10% PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, 10% ACTIVITY IS 30%.
AND THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON 29.
ON SLIDE 15, AS YOU SEE HERE, CYBORG IMPROVEMENT CRITERIA, UH, WELL WE ARE GONNA USE THE CYBORG MASTER PLAN.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE FACTORS THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE SHOULD BE THE SAME AS THE FACTOR THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE CYBORG MASTER PLAN.
DEREK, YOU HAVE THE CYBORG MASTER PLAN.
IF YOU CAN JUST BRING IT, WE CAN READ IT.
I WILL TELL YOU WHAT'S THE SAME PUBLIC PLACES 20 EQUITY, 20 STREET CLASSIFICATION, 10 PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, 10 ACTIVITY AREAS 30.
AND THEN CITIZEN REQUEST IS, UH, IT'S 10, 10 POINT.
BUT THAT'S 20, 40, 50, 60, 70 AND 30.
THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ON THIS PAGE 29.
IT DOESN'T HAVE, UH, CITIZEN, WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE, UM, SO IT DOESN'T HAVE, IT HAS EQUITY.
MAURA, SHE'S TALKING ABOUT PAGE 15 AND OUR NEW HANDOUT.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK ONE, IT'S EQUITY IS THE SAME PLACE.
IS A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION THE SAME? MM-HMM.
UH, WOULD YOU TELL US WHAT DOCUMENT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? UH, THAT SAYS PAGE 29.
BUT, BUT ACTUALLY, OKAY, THEN, THEN I'LL, LET ME SAY DIFFERENTLY.
THE, THAT IS THE SAME, BUT IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN PAGE V I I PROJECT PRIORITIZATION SAYS AWAITED FRAMEWORK WAS PUT TOGETHER THROUGH A COLLECTIVE EX A COLLABORATIVE EXPERIENCE.
AND THEN IT SAYS THAT, UM, THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUITY.
EQUITY ON PAGE 12 ADVANCES EQUITY BY IMPROVING MOBILITY AND HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED.
BUT VI SAYS EQUITY PROVIDES SAFE, AFFORDABLE ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL CITY RESIDENTS.
SO IT'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF EQUITY.
UM, WE CAN'T PULL UP, OR I CAN'T, ON MY PHONE, I DIDN'T BRING MY IPAD.
THE SIDEWALK, UM, MASTER PLAN, ALTHOUGH IT IS ONLINE, UM, WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE EXACT, UM, UH, NOT THE ONE THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY.
YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT, AT, UH, PAGE NUMBER 29.
BUT THIS IS PAGE NUMBER 15 NOW.
BUT NOT THIS DOCUMENT, THE OTHER ONE, THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PLAN, IS THAT WHAT IT'S CALLED? IT'S CALLED THE 20 20 21 SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN FINAL REPORT.
THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN REPORT.
YOU CAN'T PULL THAT UP ONLINE.
WE DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT HERE, BUT THE STAFF CAN.
YEAH, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK JENNIFER, CAN WE HAVE A COPY OF, HERE I IS THAT PAGE 21 OF SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN WHERE YOU WERE SEEING EQUITY INDEX? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE, IT'S PAGE 12 WHERE EQUITY EQUITY PAGE 12 SAYS, ADVANCED EQUITY BY IMPROVING MOBILITY IN HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES.
AND PAGE VI, WHICH IS ROMAN NUMERAL VI SIX, IT SAYS EQUITY PROVIDES, IT'S ALSO ON PAGE 10, PROVIDE SAFE, AFFORDABLE ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL CITY RESIDENTS.
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I HAVE A QUESTION.JENNIFER GRANTHAM, DISTRICT SEVEN IS MORE REFERRING TO JUST GENERAL TERMINOLOGY AND NOT A SCORING IMPACT FOR EQUITY.
WHEREAS ON TODAY'S THE, UM, PAGE EIGHT, THE EQUITY, THERE'S FIVE ITEMS LISTED AND THOSE ARE GIVEN POINTS FOR EQUITY.
ARE THOSE THE FIVE SCORING CRITERIA FOR EQUITY AND NOT ARE JUST GENERAL DISCUSSION? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION FOR MS. MORRA, BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE IT ON PAGE 15, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE PRESENTATION RIGHT NOW IS THE FACTORS THAT THEY WERE USED IN AK MASTER PLAN WHEN THEY PREPARED THAT BACK IN 2021.
AND AT THE TIME THAT THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN WAS CREATED, UH, EQUITY WAS PART OF IT, WHICH WAS 20 POINTS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S WHY SIDEWALK IS BASED ON THE HUNDRED POINT SCORE.
AND IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE OVERLAY AND EQUITY ADDITIONAL 10 POINT EQUITY FOR SIDEWALK.
CAUSE IT HAS ALREADY BEEN FACTORED IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF I ANSWERED THE QUESTION OR NOT, BUT, WELL, IF, IF EQUITY IS IN FACT GIVEN 20 POINTS, WHICH EQUITY, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY FOR EVERYBODY OR WHAT? EVERY EQUITY FOR SOME PEOPLE, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S 20 POINTS.
WELL, THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, WHATEVER THE PROJECT OR WHATEVER THE, UH, SIDEWALKS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED ON THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, IT WAS ALREADY BASED ON THE FACTORS YOU'RE SEEING HERE AND 20 POINTS AT THE TIME THAT SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN WAS CREATED, UH, WAS POINTED FOR THE EQUITY, WHATEVER THE DEFINITION OF THE EQUITY WAS AT THAT POINT.
SO THE SIDEWALK DOESN'T GO THROUGH THE OVERLAY WITH EQUITY CRITERIA TO GET ADDITIONAL 10 POINT ON THE TOP OF THAT BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS THE EQUITY INDEX AS A PART OF THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE PROJECTS.
SO WHAT I'M POINTING OUT THOUGH IS THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS FOR EQUITY IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS INCONSISTENT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DIFFERENT DEFINITION.
IT'S, IT IS JUST A, UM, FACTOR THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SAYING FOR THE EQUITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU SEE PAGE 12 OF SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, LEMME GO TO PAGE 12.
UH, ALI, IF I MAY AND MADAM CHAIR.
UH, MARA, GOING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, MA'AM, YOU ASKED WHY THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.
THE, THE ANSWER IS IT IS NOT DIFFERENT.
NO, IT'S NOT THE SCORING CRITERIA.
NO, THE SCORING CRITERIA THAT WAS USED IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, WHICH IS FOUND ON PAGES 2022 AND 23, UH, THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN 21 AND 22, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS, IS BEING SHOWN HERE ON SCREEN ON SLIDE 15.
UH, THAT INCLUDES THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT CRITERIA, THE SAME SCORING, THE, THE SAME METRICS ARE USED.
UH, SO GOING BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION, UH, THOSE ARE THE SAME, UH, THE SAME VARIABLES WITH THE SAME WEIGHTED SCORES.
NOW, AS FAR AS YOUR OTHER, AS FAR, I MISSTATED THAT, UH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
AND, AND AS FAR AS THE EQUITY, UH, I MEAN, UH, WE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR CONSULTANT, UH, UNLESS STAFF HERE CAN, CAN ANSWER OR PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THAT, UH, AS TO, UH, CUZ I, I SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE, THE 20% FOR THE TOP 25 OR 2020 POINTS TO THE TOP 25, 15 AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND, UH, I THINK, UH, WE'RE LOOKING, SORRY.
THE, THE EQUITY SCORE THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE, FOR THE MASTER OVERLAY IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS HERE.
SO, UM, IF YOU, I GUESS IF, IF, IF THE COMMITTEE AND IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US TO, UH, LOOK AT THAT AND CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU, UH, WE'D BE APPRECIATIVE.
UM, ALSO, IF YOU'RE ONLINE AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT PERHAPS YOU THINK OF, OR EVEN IF YOU'RE IN PERSON TODAY, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT YOU THINK OF AFTER THE MEETING, IF YOU'LL JUST DIRECT THEM TO STAFF, UM, WE CAN GET THOSE ANSWERED AS WELL.
AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU DON'T FEEL SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWER, WE CAN ALSO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WAS THAT THE ONLY QUESTION YOU HAD ON THE EQUITY PIECE FOR SIDEWALKS? UM, MORA, WELL, I ONLY READ THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN AND I'M ASSUMING THERE'S A MASTER PLAN FOR OTHER PARTS.
BUT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN I WOULD JUST ASK IS IT A SIMILAR SITUATION
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WHERE IT JUST NEEDS TO HAVE A CONSISTENT DEFINITION? UH, DEFINITION? UHHUHMAYBE IF WE COULD GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION FROM STAFF ON THE EQUITY PIECE AND HOW, UH, IT'S DERIVED TO DATE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL POLICY CHANGES.
AND THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN WAS WHAT YEAR? MORE, MORE, I'M SORRY.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE THAT, UM, THE COUNCIL HAS COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT POLICY, BUT, UM, IF WE COULD GET SOME INFORMATION ON JUST THE EQUITY, HOW THE, HOW THAT'S FIGURED OUT.
UH, ABSOLUTELY MA'AM WOULD GET THAT TO YOU.
AND IF I CAN, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU, IF WE'RE ASKING THE COMMITTEE, I MEAN, I'M ONLY ONE PERSON, BUT I CERTAINLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE FOCUSED ON SAFETY AND THAT THAT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SAFETY'S IN THERE.
IT'S IN A SMALL PORT PART, BUT I LIKE IT BIGGER.
BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STREETS ALL OVER DALLAS, I THINK I'D LIKE, UH, ALL CITIZENS TO BE TREATED EQUALLY.
THAT'S WHAT I THINK EQUITY, JUST LIKE IT SAYS ON PAGE 10, SAFE, AFFORDABLE ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITIES FOR ALL CITY RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SAFETY IS A MAJOR ISSUE.
AND I THINK THAT WE, IT DESERVES A, A CONVERSATION HERE ABOUT HOW IT RUNS THROUGH PERHAPS DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE POINT SYSTEM.
SO I'M GOING TO GIVE THE STAFF A CRACK AT THAT BECAUSE I HEAR THIS FROM THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY ABOUT THE SAFETY IN STREETS.
AND BY THE WAY, I JUST WANNA REMIND FOLKS THAT STREETS WAS THE LARGEST PART OF THE BOND, UM, PROPOSAL THIS, UH, IN THIS BOND PROPOSAL, UH, IN 2023.
SO WHO WANTS TO TAKE ON THAT? I'M NOT SURE.
UH, I'LL TAKE IT, BUT I'LL PROBABLY GONNA NEED HELP FROM TRANSPORTATION.
ALSO, ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS ON PAGE 10, THIS IS A VERY GENERAL TERMINOLOGY OF THE EQUITY IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, NOT ON THE PRESENTATION, YOU DON'T HAVE IT, SO SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION, BUT LATER ON IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, WHEN WE GO TO PAGE 21, IT'S MORE DETAIL OF THE EQUITY AND HOW IT'S BREAKING UP RIGHT.
UH, TO THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ALSO THAT, ASIDE FROM THE SAFETY, WHICH WAS A PART OF THE FACTOR ON THE SIDEWALK, UM, ANOTHER THING IS THE VISION ZERO THAT TRANSPORTATION IS ALSO WORKING ON.
AND THAT ALSO ADDRESSES THE SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIAN FOR, UH, VEHICLE TRAFFIC AND ALL THESE THINGS.
SO SAFETY IS A, A BIG COMPONENT OF THE, UM, I GUESS PROJECT ALSO.
SO WE'RE GONNA GET TO IT WHEN WE GO TO THE STREET.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SELECTION OF THE STREET OR STUFF LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST A TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, I, I THINK SAFETY, UH, IS BEING CONSIDERED IN OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, METHODOLOGY BASICALLY.
KATHY, DO YOU WANNA TALK? AND I GOT, I GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF CUZ I THINK MARA WAS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT SAFETY ON SIDEWALKS.
AND I'M SORRY, MARA, WE DIDN'T FINISH YOUR QUESTION.
NO, I THINK WE WERE SO, YOU WERE OKAY BECAUSE, UM, AGAIN, I, I WAS JUST GOING BACK ON MY COMPUTER TO GO LOOK AT, TO PAGE 21, BUT STILL, I STILL THINK THAT'S INCONSISTENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, AND EVEN, EVEN ON SIDEWALKS, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS ONLY 10 POINTS.
IT'S NOT THE MAJORITY OF POINTS.
WELL, I GUESS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SAFETY AND SEE WHAT IT MEANS IN THE PREPARATION OF THE CYBER MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? BECAUSE AGAIN, THE, THE IDEA OF THE CYBER MASTER PLAN, IT WAS TO FIND THE, UH, PROJECTS THAT ARE MORE IMPACTFUL FOR THE SOCIETY.
AND THAT WAS THE APPROACH THAT THE CONSULTANT TOOK AND, UH, DIRECTED THAT WAY.
BUT AGAIN, WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ON THE SAFETY IF THAT'S A DESIRE.
I, IF THAT'S THE CASE, I MEAN, I CAN ACCEPT IF, IF WE'RE GIVEN CRITERIA AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY HAS DETERMINED TO TAKE THIS STUDY AND TO USE THOSE CRITERIA.
BUT THEN WHY ARE WE ASKED TO REDEFINE THE CRITERIA OR FOR OUR PRIORITIES? AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM PRIOR REPRIORITIZING, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE DOING REWORK, WHICH TO ME IS NOT SO PRODUCTIVE.
I BELIEVE, UH, THE INTENT OF THIS MEETING WAS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION ABOUT TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
AND RATHER THAN REVISING THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA, I THINK AT LEAST THIS IS THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
SO IF WE SAID IT IN THE WRONG WAY, I APOLOGIZE.
I DON'T THINK IF THAT WAS AN INTENT.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, MAURA.
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IS THE TERMINOLOGY PRIORITY AND CRITERIA THE SAME, OR IS THE TERM CRITERIA THESE, UM, SIX DIFFERENT CRITERIA, AREAS AND PRIORITIES ARE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS THAT WE THINK SHOULD COME FORWARD AT SOME POINT? I WOULD, I WOULD TAKE CRITERIA AND PRIORITY AS THE SAME.IF, IF SAME IF I'M WRONG, THE SAME AS THE SAME.
SO I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, ALI.
SHE'S ACTUALLY CONSIDERING PRIORITIES AS THE CRITERIA.
WELL, THE PRIORITY COMES FROM THE SCORING, RIGHT? IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT PROJECT IS THAT PRIORITY, WHATEVER THE SCORE IS HIGHER, THE, IT'S MORE PRIORITIZED AS A RECOMMENDATION.
RIGHT? AND THAT IS A, A PART OF THE RIGHT, SAY THAT AGAIN.
SEE, THAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE CRITERIA.
THE PRIORITY IS BEING CALCULATED BY THE FACTOR OF THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
EACH, EACH CATEGORY HAS A POINT, THE ASSIGN POINT TO EACH PROJECT.
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SCORE, THE FINAL SCORE, RIGHT? UH, WITH THE
THE FINAL SCORE, UM, BASICALLY IS THE INDICATION OF THE PRIORITY.
THE, THE PROJECTS WITH THE HIGHER SCORE HAS MORE PRIORITY OR HIGHER PRIORITY FOR THE THE CITY.
SO I, I HOPE THAT THIS IS CLEAR FOR EVERYONE THAT HOW WE'RE GONNA BE DEFINED AT LEAST.
UM, THE WORDS ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.
AND I THINK PERHAPS WHEN GUS WAS EXPLAINING THAT PERHAPS HE WAS, UM, MESHING THE TWO TOGETHER AS WELL.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE COMMENTS, UH, THAT HE MADE THAT DAY.
BUT, UM, MAURA, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THEN? WELL, THE, THE, THE, THE POINTS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO EACH ONE OF THE CRITERIA HAVE ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED.
SO ARE WE BEING ASKED, DO WE AGREE WITH THAT OR IS THAT NOT WHAT THE QUESTION WAS? OKAY.
DO, UH, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED.
DOES THE COMMITTEE AGREE WITH THE CRI THE, THE SIX CRITERIA ON PAGE 15 FOR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS? DOES ANYBODY HAVE A COMMENT FIRST BEFORE WE BEGIN THAT? SHARON? UH, THIS IS SUSAN MORGAN.
UM, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
I MEAN, UH, AGAIN, HAVING BEEN INVOLVED IN THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM WHERE WE TRIED TO PUT CRITERIA TOGETHER TO, TO HELP US WITH OUR PRIORITIZATION AND MAKE IT EVEN ACROSS THE BOARD AS WE LOOKED ACROSS THE DISTRICTS, THIS IS LIKE ON STEROIDS AND, AND IT'S, IT IS VERY COMPLEX, BUT I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO IT.
AND SO I'M GLAD TO SEE IT, UM, COMPARED TO WHAT WE DID YEARS AGO IN 2017, I THINK WHAT WOULD HELP ME IS TO UNDERSTAND WHO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT IT.
AND THAT MIGHT HELP US TO KIND OF DIGEST IT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I THINK IT'S FINE, BUT I WOULD JUST, I'D LIKE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT I'M SURE YOU WENT THROUGH A PROCESS AND MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP EVERYBODY TO HEAR HOW WE, HOW DID YOU ARRIVE AT THIS? SURE, ABSOLUTELY.
I'M ASSUMING THAT, UM, THE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE SUB MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? OR THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
WHICH ONE? JUST, UH, ALL THE CRITERIA IN ALL ACROSS ALL THE CATEGORIES FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE BOND PROGRAM FOR THIS.
I'LL START WITH SIDEWALK AND THEN EXPAND ON OTHER CATEGORIES FOR PUBLIC WORKS, AND I'LL GIVE IT TO TRANSPORTATION TO TALK ABOUT THEIRS.
UH, FOR SIDEWALK, BACK IN 2020, UM, THE VISION WAS TO CREATE A SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN TO IDENTIFY ALL THE SIDEWALKS IN NEEDS IN THE CITY.
UM, THAT WE HAVE A PLAN, WE HAVE A TOOL FOR FUTURE PLANNING, RIGHT? SO WE HIRED A CONSULTANT AND CONSULTANT.
WE GATHERED DA DATA FROM ALL THE STREETS AND SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY, UH, THE CONDITION OF THEM.
AND WE GAVE IT TO THE CONSULTANT, CONSULTANT, RAN SEVERAL ANALYSIS, AND FINALLY WE CAME UP WITH THE THIS DOCUMENT, WHICH WE CALL THE SIDEWALK MASS PLAN, WHICH IS ON THE WEBSITE, RIGHT? AND WE ADOPTED BACK IN 2021, JUNE, I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
SO THAT'S FOR THE SIDEWALK, UH, MASS PLAN, BUT FOR OTHER, UH, CATEGORIES, UM, HIS, HISTORICALLY, THE CITY HAS HAD SOME SORT OF CRITERIA FOR ANY CATEGORY THAT WE HAVE FOR THE STREETS, ALLEYS AND, AND BRIDGES AND OTHER THINGS.
SO, UM, WE JUST WENT OVER THOSE CATEGORIES AGAIN AND WE RE REFINING SOME OF THEM WERE BASED ON SOME, UH, I GUESS, UM, INQUIRIES THAT WE RECEIVED FROM RESIDENTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE AGE IN THE NII INVENTORY,
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WE RECEIVE A LOT OF COMPLAINTS THAT SAYING, YOU KNOW, THIS, MY STREET OR MY ALLEY HAS BEEN ON THE NI INVENTORY FOR 17 YEARS AND NO ONE HAS, YOU KNOW, UM, UH, BASICALLY BUILT THIS ALLEY OR STREETWIDE.AND WE THOUGHT THAT THIS IS VERY VALID POINT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE STREET HAS BEEN ON THE KNEES FOR 17 YEARS COMPARED TO ANOTHER STREET THAT IS TWO YEARS UNDER KNEES INVENTORY, THEN THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF WAY TO MAKE IT MORE PRIORITY.
RIGHT? AND THESE ARE, AGAIN, THESE ARE VERY RELATIVE, UM, I GUESS COMPARISON, BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE AT THIS POINT.
10 POINT 20 POINTS IS NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE HUNDRED POINTS FOR ONE FACTORS ONLY, RIGHT? MULTIPLE FACTORS MAKE UP THE WHOLE POINTS THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE WENT OVER THESE, UH, TECHNICAL CRITERIA TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE HAVE IS BASED ON SOME SORT OF, UM, ANALYSIS, SOME SORT OF ENGINEERING ANALYSIS OF THE ASSETS THAT WE MANAGE AS PUBLIC WORKS FOR BRIDGES.
ALSO, WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT, UH, THEY'RE DOING THE BRIDGE, UM, MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR US, AND THEY, UH, REVIEW THE, UH, BRIDGE INSPECTION, AND WE RECEIVED BRIDGE INSPECTION FROM TECHSTAR.
SO WE INCORPORATED ALL THOSE, UH, INTO THE FACTOR FOR, UH, BRIDGE, UH, TECHNICAL CRITERIA.
THE STREETS THE SAME WAY AS I MENTIONED.
UM, CATHERINE, OR DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT CRITERIA FOR, UH, TRANSPORTATION? SURE.
SO, UM, AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME HANDOUTS.
SO OUR, UM, CRITERIA IS PRINCIPALLY BASED ON THE, UM, DALLAS STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN, UM, AND THE DRIVING PRINCIPLES, WHICH, WHICH, UM, THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN ALSO KIND OF HELPS TO BUILD OFF OF IN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FOCUS ON EQUITY AND SAFETY, UM, AND JUST VARIOUS CITY, UH, INITIATIVES AND GOALS.
AND THEN WE ADDED THREE, UM, THAT WERE IN A REVIEW OF, UM, OTHER, LIKE THE COUNTIES, UM, SCORING CRITERIA, THE REGIONAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT SCORING CRITERIA, FEDERAL SCORING CRITERIA, SOME ADDITIONAL SORT OF BEST PRACTICE, UM, CRITERIA FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY.
SO THAT INCLUDED PREVENTING CRITICAL FAILURE.
SO THAT'S SORT OF, UM, A KIND OF MAINTENANCE TYPE CRITERIA AND THEN ALSO PROJECT READINESS.
UM, WHICH PROJECTS ARE MOST LIKELY TO HAVE THE LEAST HURDLES AND GO TO CONSTRUCTION THE FASTEST? UM, SO WE HAVE A COUPLE HANDOUTS BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS PARTICULARLY DURING THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE, UM, DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, IT WAS, IT SAID THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN, UM, HIGHER SAFETY, UM, POINT SAFETY, GETTING MORE POINTS.
AND SO WE BASICALLY, UH, DID A SORT OF ANALYSIS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE.
SO I HAVE, UM, TWO HANDOUTS FOR EVERYBODY.
UM, ONE IS I, THE SCORING CRITERIA THAT WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND TO YOU ALL, UM, IN THE PAST MEETINGS.
AND THEN A SECOND PAGE, WHICH HAS, UM, JUST THE REVISIONS FOR, UM, TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE.
SO BASICALLY, OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE THOSE, SO I KNOW, SO I'M JUST EXPLAINING IT AND WE'RE GONNA PASS 'EM OUT AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA PASS OUT.
COULD YOU PASS OUT FIRST? SURE.
AND IS IT POSSIBLE, I DON'T NEED TO THINK THAT, COULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE A LINK ON IT? I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW THE PEOPLE ON THE WEBEX ARE GONNA GET IT.
SO BE VERY SPECIFIC WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH IT.
I'M SORRY FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE LISTENING ONLINE.
WE CAN LINK, GET THE LINK ON IT IF THERE'S A LINK.
WELL, WHAT SHE, YEAH, WHAT SHE SAID WAS, IT WAS JUST PUT TOGETHER A FEW, YOU KNOW, TODAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE A LINK ON IT.
SHE PULLED OUT THESE PAGES FROM DIFFERENT, UM, BRIEFINGS THAT THEY HAD GIVEN US IN THE PAST.
SO I'M SORRY, WE APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS GET IT TO YOU, UH, MAYBE TOMORROW THEY CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SCAN IT IN AND, AND, AND SEND IT INTO, INTO A LINK.
OKAY, CATHERINE AND CATHERINE, CAN YOU PULL YOUR, PULL YOUR MIC CLOSER TO YOU.
IS THAT BETTER? AND TALK ABOUT EFFICIENCY.
PORSCHE HAS KEPT ALL OF HER BRIEFINGS IN ORDER AND SHE FOUND IT
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MADAM CHAIR.I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD, UH, TO CATHERINE'S, UH, POINTS, UH, PREVENTING CRITICAL FAILURE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL PROJECTS BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT, UH, CAN YOU PULL YOUR MIC CLOSER TO YOU AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT LOUDER, PLEASE? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? ALL RIGHT.
UH, SERGEANT, I WAS SAYING THE, YOU KNOW, THE PREVENTING CRITICAL FAILURE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE IS VERY APT FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF OLDER SIGNALS, WHICH OFTEN FAIL WHEN WE HAVE WEATHER EVENTS.
AS ALSO THEY ARE, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TODAY, UH, UNLESS WE ACTUALLY, UM, BUILD NEW SIGNALS, REPLACE THEM.
SO THAT'S, UH, AS FAR AS TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE CONCERNED, THAT'S A VERY MAJOR CRITERIA AS WELL AS SAFETY, LIKE YOU POINTED OUT.
AND THE WHOLE REASON WE PUT SIGNALS UP IS BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY TOO, UH, MAKE INTERSECTION SAFER.
SO THE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE WEBEX PEOPLE CAN HEAR, BUT OF COURSE, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THEY DO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE IS BECAUSE OF SAFETY.
THEY DETERMINE WHERE THE CRASH SITES ARE AND THAT KIND OF THING, AND THEY ANALYZE THE DATA FROM THAT, AND THEN THEY DETERMINE IF IT, IF, IF THE SIGNAL HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO, UM, THERE'S TWO WAYS, UH, SAFETY IS IMPACTED.
ONE IS IF THERE'S NO SIGNAL AND THERE'S A LOT OF CRASHES AND SIGNALS CAN PREVENT THEM ALSO, UH, THERE MIGHT BE MINOR ACCIDENTS THAT DON'T GET REPORTED JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF VOLUME THROUGH THE INTERSECTION THAT'S NOT REGULATED THROUGH A SIGNAL.
UH, THOSE ARE FOR, UH, UNSIGNED INTERSECTIONS.
BUT FOR SIGNALED INTERSECTION, WE MIGHT HAVE OLDER, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT WE CAN PUT LEFT TURN ARROWS ON BECAUSE OF, UH, HARDWARE ISSUES OR WE CAN PHASE IT, RIGHT? AND SO BE THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO TRY AND MAKE A QUICK LEFT TURN AND GET INTO ACCIDENTS.
SO, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT WAYS THAT, UM, WE LOOK AT THE ACCIDENTS AND THE NEED FOR EITHER AN UPGRADE OR A NEW SIGNAL.
CATHERINE, DO YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD TO THAT? UM, YES.
AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THINKING ABOUT THESE PROJECTS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SIDEWALK PROJECTS AND THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, A CITIZEN APPOINTED COMMITTEE THAT WENT AND HASHED OVER EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA, I THINK, AND LIKE THE WAITING AND EVERYTHING VERSUS THESE, WHILE WE HAD SORT OF A GENERAL DIRECTION FROM THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN ABOUT SORT OF WHAT CRITERIA TO USE AND, AND ROUGHLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD ALL BASICALLY HAVE SOME VALUE.
THERE WASN'T SPECIFIC SORT OF, UH, HAGGLING OVER THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS.
SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE, UM, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM, BUT IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN, LIKE NOW.
UM, SO IN THIS HANDOUT, WHICH IS, UM, THE, THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET, THE FIRST SHEET AGAIN IS THE CRITERIA.
IT HAS THE RED LETTERING, IT HAS THE POINTS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL.
AND AT THE LAST, UM, AT THE PRIOR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE, UM, SAFETY W HAD 15 POINTS.
ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY HAD 10, ECONOMIC VITALITY HAD 10, ET CETERA.
THE SECOND SHEET IS A REVISED VERSION WHEREBY SAFETY, UM, WITH THE GREEN LETTERING, WHEREBY SAFETY HAS 25 POINTS.
ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY HAS 10, ECONOMIC VITALITY HAS 10.
UM, AND THEN, UH, ALSO IN HAVE, UM, SORT OF THE FIRST SHEET OF TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES AND HOW THEY SCORED, JUST TO GIVE YOU A, AN IDEA OF WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE GENERALLY THE SIGNALS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS FIRST SHEET WITH, AGAIN, THE RED LETTERING AT THE TOP, UM, DATED 6 20, 20 23.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND SHEET, SORRY, IS THE, UM, HOW THEY WOULD SCORE TODAY.
YOU'LL SEE THAT GENERALLY THE SIGNALS THAT WERE AT THE TOP FOR THE MOST PART ARE STILL THE ONES AT THE TOP OR ARE STILL KIND OF WITHIN SORT OF TOP SCORING REALM.
ALTHOUGH THERE'S A COUPLE WITHIN THERE THAT HAVE SORT OF JUMPED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.
UM, ONE OF THE ONES THAT I NOTICED WAS LIKE FOREST LANE AND SKILLMAN, IT WAS, I THINK, RANKED FIVE BEFORE IT JUMPED TO LIKE 20.
BUT AGAIN, STILL VERY OUT OF ALL, I THINK WHAT FOUR, 600
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SIGNALS THAT ARE ON THE LIST, THAT'S STILL, IT'S STILL REALLY, REALLY HIGH.BUT JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT LOOKING AT IT, THEY TOOK THE SAFETY SCORE FROM THE, FROM THE FIVE, FROM THE ORIGINAL, UM, SCORING FROM 15% TO 25%, WHICH IS ON THE SECOND PAGE.
AND SO, UM, SO JUST ONLY THAT CHANGE IS MADE.
SO IF THERE'S, UM, UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SORT OF STILL BROAD INTEREST IN SAFETY.
SO IF ANY OF THE OTHER ONES, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK LOOK REALLY LOW, UM, I THINK WE, UM, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT FEEDBACK.
SO I'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO DIGEST THAT FOR JUST A LITTLE BIT.
REMEMBER ON THE SECOND PAGE WHEN THEY TOOK IT UP TO SAFETY, UH, AN ADDITIONAL 10, 10 POINTS.
UM, I THINK ALSO PREVENTING CRITICAL FAILURE IS A, IN MY OPINION WOULD BE A SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, AND THEN IF YOU'LL JUST TALK ABOUT, I JUST AM TRYING TO PICK OUT THE ONES THAT I THINK DIRECTLY HAD TO DO WITH SAFETY ON THE, UH, OVERLAY SCORE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE 10% THERE? BRITA, COULD YOU TAKE THAT ONE, CAN YOU THE 10% OF WHAT THE, ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE? I'M JUST TAKING ONE OF 'EM.
I'M JUST TAKING THE, UM, JUST THIS ONE CATEGORY AND I'M JUST SHOWING, I'M ACTUALLY, I'M JUST DOING THIS FOR DEMONSTRATION PAR PRO, UM, PURPOSES SHOWING HOW THEY, UM, UPGRADED SOME OF THE SAFETY ISSUES, BUT HOW IT CROSSES OVER DIFFERENT SCORING CRITERIA.
BRITA AND EKK AND I SERVE AS THE CHIEF DATA OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, AS WELL AS THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.
UM, SO WE WERE ASKED TO CREATE AN OVERLAY THAT WOULD SYNTHESIZE SOME OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WERE GIVEN TO US BY CITY LEADERSHIP THAT WERE ASKED TO BE INCLUDED AS A RELATIVELY MINOR ELEMENT, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE TECHNICAL SCORES.
AND THERE WERE FIVE MAIN, UH, PRIORITY LAYERS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO CONSIDER.
THE FIRST ONE WAS HIGH CRIME AREAS, AREAS THAT MET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD.
CAUSE WE KNEW THAT THEY HAD A HIGH LEVEL OF CRIME.
UM, THE MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS, WHICH GIVES US AN INDICATOR OF THE, UH, VITALITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ALSO HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREAS.
THERE WERE SIX KEY AREAS IDENTIFIED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DART, WHERE THEY WANTED TO EXPEND ADDITIONAL DOLLARS, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, FOR MOBILITY FOR THE POPULATION AS A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY LEADERSHIP.
AND THEN WE HAD THREE 11 SERVICE CALLS.
SO THE IDEA WAS TO TAKE THOSE SIX CALL TYPES, FLOODING, POTHOLES, UM, TRAFFIC CALMING, SPEEDING, STREET RESURFACING, ILLEGAL DUMPING TO TAKE INPUT FROM THE RESIDENTS.
SO WHERE THE RESIDENTS WERE TELLING US, THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE THAT NEEDS YOUR ATTENTION.
AND WE LOOKED AT KIND OF A DENSITY OF THOSE CALLS WHERE THEY WERE OCCURRING.
AND THE FINAL ELEMENT WAS REALLY ABOUT EFFICIENCY.
IT WAS ABOUT AN INTERSECTION OVERLAY.
SO IF YOU WERE GONNA BE REPLACING A WATER MAIN UNDERNEATH A STREET THAT YOU WANTED TO REDO, LET'S DO THEM AT THE SAME TIME.
LET'S GET SOME OF THAT EFFICIENCY AND, AND GOOD FINANCIAL STEWARDSHIP OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
SO THOSE WERE THE FIVE ELEMENTS THAT WE WERE ASKED TO INCORPORATE INTO A PRIORITY OVERLAY THAT REITERATED SOME OF THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAD FROM CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY, ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE ABOUT THOSE.
AND I, AND I HOPE THAT THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION WELL, AS IT RELATES TO, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS, WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT WE WERE ON HERE, UM, IS THERE AN OVERLAY FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS FOR THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS, THE STREET LIGHTING, THE VISIONS ZERO? OR ARE THOSE THE OVERLAYS? SO THOSE FIVE THINGS THAT I WENT THROUGH ARE THE OVERLAYS, ARE THE OVERLAYS AND, AND THEN THEY ARE LITERALLY OVERLAID ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL NEEDS MAP, THE NEEDS INVENTORY MAP, I WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RIGHT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, MAKES SENSE.
SO, SO MADAM CHAIR, UH, IF I MAY, SO IF THERE'S A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT'S WARRANTED AND NEEDED AND IT OVERLAPS WITH A, A, A STREET PROJECT THAT NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED, WE WOULD LIKE THAT PROJECT WOULD GET TWO ADDITIONAL POINTS.
UM, BECAUSE WE, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A SIGNAL NEED AS WELL AS A, A STREET PROJECT THERE.
UH, OR IF IT WAS A D W PROJECT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO, SO ESSENTIALLY ANY, ANYTIME THERE'S A PROJECT OVERLAY OR OVERLAP WITH ANOTHER PROJECT, UH, AS DR.
ANDREW CHECKED, HAD MENTIONED, WE WANNA, WE WANT TO UH, UM, I GUESS,
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UH, GAIN THOSE EFFICIENCIES AS FAR AS DELIVERING FOR PROJECTS AT THE SAME TIME.SO IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR THOSE PROJECTS TO SCORE A LITTLE HIGHER.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HOW DID THE OVERLAYS GET DONE AND THE ANALYTICS BEHIND IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF DATA ANALYSIS ON YOU THINK SO? OKAY.
NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT STREETS AND STUFF, BUT AS FAR AS TRAFFIC SIGNALS GO AND WHERE THE OVER HOW THEY OVERLAY, GOT THE OVERLAYS AND GOT THE DATA FOR THE OVERLAYS, I WAS JUST WONDERING IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE BOARD AND, AND I THINK ALI ANSWERED THAT VERY WELL, BUT YEAH, THIS WE'RE GOOD
HI, CANDACE IRVIN, DISTRICT 13.
UM, WE WERE PROVIDED AN UPGRADE NEEDS INVENTORY FOR THE EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNALS THAT STATED JUNE 20TH.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE THOSE OVERLAYS ON IT.
CAN WE, WILL WE BE PROVIDED ONE WITH THE OVERLAYS SO THAT WE CAN SEE HOW THINGS ARE FALLING OUT? YES, YOU WILL.
UM, WE ARE WORKING AS FAST AS WE ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLY CAN TO GET YOU ALL THESE DATES, INVENTORIES.
UM, SO YES, THEY WILL BE COMING.
CAUSE I THINK MY CONCERN IS, IT'S HARD TO SAY IF WE AGREE WITH THE CRITERIA UNTIL WE CAN SEE HOW IT RESULTS.
BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU MY CONCERN IS ON ALLEYS, WE HAVE AN ALLEY WHERE A TRASH TRUCK GOT STUCK CUT ON FIRE.
UM, EITHER IT'S AN ACCESS POINT, GARBAGE IS OBVIOUSLY COLLECTED ON IT AND IT IS RANKED 2790TH ON THE LIST.
AND SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW CRITERIA ARE AFFECTING THE AREAS I KNOW OF.
SO IT'S HARD TO SAY IN THEORY.
IN THEORY, I UNDERSTAND THE CRITERIA AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE DATA THAT GOES INTO IT, BUT NOT UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT IT HAS ON THE PROJECTS.
WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND, AND THERE ARE OTHER PROJECTS IN OUR DISTRICT THAT ARE HIGHER ON THE LIST THAT I UNDERSTAND WE CAN MOVE AROUND, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETHING'S GETTING SCORED THE WAY IT IS WITHOUT EVERYTHING IN TOTALITY BEING REPRESENTED.
SO, AND THIS IS BRITA, UM, OUR, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN WE GET THE FINAL LIST, WE'RE GONNA PUT IT THROUGH THE OVERLAYS AND, AND GENERATE THAT KIND OF FINAL SCORE.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SHOULD BE DONE HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.
AND AT THAT POINT, WILL YOU GIVE US THE INFORMATION BY DISTRICT OF THOSE OVERLAYS WITH AND WITHOUT THE OVERLAYS SO THAT WE CAN SEE? WELL, CUZ THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S CANDACE'S QUESTION.
AND I KNOW HOW IT AFFECTED TOWN.
I HAVE A TOWN HALL TOMORROW AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA LIKE THE ANSWER OF WE'RE GONNA GET IT IN A MONTH AND IT'S GONNA BE REALLY LATE IN THE PROCESS TO TRY AND MAKE ANY IMPACT OR CHANGE THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO, I AM NOT THE PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, UM, CUZ I'M NOT THE, THE FINAL AUTHORITY ON HOW WE'RE GONNA DELIVER THIS.
UM, SO I WOULD SEND THAT QUESTION TO DR.
UH, I HAVE ASKED THE TEAM TO GET FINAL INFORMATION TO US THE WEEK OF JULY 17TH, SO THAT WAY WE CAN CONSOLIDATE EVERYTHING AND THEN WORK WITH, UH, DR.
ANDER CHECKS, UH, DEPARTMENT TO ACTUALLY DO THE, TO RUN THE MODELS AND, AND GET THAT INFORMATION.
AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO JUST A STRAIGHT TECHNICAL SCORE AND THEN, UH, WHICH WOULD JUST BE THE 80% AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE THE, THE, THE FULL 100% WITH THE OTHER 20 POINTS.
SO YEAH, WE, WE CAN SHOW IT BOTH WAYS AND I, I WILL, UM, I, I WILL MAKE IT OUR GOAL TO HAVE EVERYTHING TO THE COMMITTEE BY, UH, THE WEEK OF THE 17TH.
LET'S, LET'S TAKE A QUESTION FROM THE PATTY SIMON, DISTRICT TWO.
UM, OKAY, SO I SEE THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY CHANGED ON, UH, BETWEEN PAGE ONE AND PAGE TWO, RIGHT? THE ORIGINAL SAFETY SCORE BEING 15%, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADE.
SO 10% HAS TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE AND IT CAME FROM O AND M COST IMPLICATIONS.
SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT, WHERE'S THAT COMING FROM? WHAT IS THE ONM COST IMPLICATIONS AND HOW IS THAT AFFECTING THIS SCORING? WHAT ARE WE LOSING BASICALLY? SO THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
UM, SO THE REASON I DECIDE I, UM, BA BASICALLY O O AND M WAS NO OUT WAS BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY THESE ARE ALL MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.
SO THEY'RE ALL HELPING TO REDUCE OUR ANNUAL O AND M MM-HMM.
AND SO THERE'S, THEREFORE IT'S NOT REALLY A VALUABLE METRIC FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES IF THEY'RE JUST ALL GOING TO
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GET THE POINTS BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD WAY TO SAY HOW MUCH WE WOULD BE SAVING BY UPGRADING A 1998 SIGNAL VERSUS THE 1970S SIGNAL.LIKE WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT LEVEL OF, OF DATA TRACKING ON, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WORK THAT GOES ON.
BUT GENERALLY THEY WOULD ALL RESULT IN O AND M SAVINGS.
SO THESE ARE, THESE ARE LIGHTS THAT NEED UPGRADING REGARDLESS BECAUSE OF AGE OR WHATEVER.
AND THEY ALL REQUIRE MAINTEN, THEREFORE MAINTEN BECAUSE OF HOW OLD AND MAINTENANCE IS THE MAINTENANCE, THERE IS NO MAINTENANCE.
WE'RE GETTING RID OF 'EM, BASICALLY, THEY ALL NEED TO BE REPLACED.
SO THEREFORE MAINTENANCE IS NULL AND VOIDABLE OR THE POINT IS THE SAME BECAUSE THE MAINTENANCE YES.
AND SO ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT, I MEAN, I I JUST BASED ON THIS, WAS THIS AN EXAMPLE LIKE WE INCREASED SAFETY ON JUST THIS SIGNAL UPGRADE, OR YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THAT PAGE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT GETS THE SAFETY UPGRADE CURRENTLY? THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT, THAT GOT THE SAFETY UPGRADE.
UM, JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS THE, FROM, UH, WHAT MY NOTES, FROM MY RECOLLECTION, THAT WAS SORT OF THE FOCUS OF THOSE COMMENTS.
HOWEVER, UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE, I THINK SOME INTEREST IN POTENTIALLY BUMPING IT UP FOR OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.
UM, SUCH AS, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WARRANTED SIGNALS IF, UM, YOU THINK THOSE SHOULD GET GREATER EMPHASIS IF THEY, YOU KNOW, FALL ON HY NETWORKS, UM, AND JUST IT SHOULD GET GREATER POINTS THAN THEY ARE GETTING CURRENTLY, UM, IF THEY'RE ON A HY CORRIDOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND DOES THE MAINTENANCE ISSUE, IS THAT THE SAME THEN FOR THE WARRANTED SIGNALS, APPLES TO APPLES AND THEREFORE WASTING POINTS BY PUTTING THAT O AND M PERCENT IN THERE? OR DOES THAT O PERCENT IN THERE? THEY'LL ALL BE NEW SIGNALS AND UH, SO IT'LL BE THE SAME CRITERIA.
STREET LIGHTING, THE OTHER THINGS, I MEAN, ARE WE SAYING THAT MAINTENANCE ON ANY OF THIS STUFF REALLY IS IRRELEVANT OR IT'S JUST THE SIGNALS? SO WITH THE STREET LIGHTING PROJECTS, SOME OF THEM ADD MORE LIGHTS THAN OTHER PROJECTS, SO THEREFORE THEY COULD BE INCREASING FUTURE AND, AND IT'S BUILDING A, A NEW TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAN WHAT EXISTS TODAY, RIGHT.
THAT WE WILL THEN HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
AND SOME OF THESE PROJECTS ARE ADDING MORE OF THAT MORE COSTLY VER UH, YOU KNOW, OF THAT, THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED.
SO I THINK THAT WAS, UM, UH, THE THINKING WAS STREET LIGHTING, BUT, BUT CERTAINLY WARRANTED SIGNALS THAT WOULD ALL BE CONSISTENT.
UM, THEY WOULD ALL THEN HAVE THE FUTURE, SAME FUTURE O AND M COST IMPLICATIONS.
SO THEREFORE, BECAUSE THERE'S NO VARIABILITY, ZERO IS WARRANTED.
AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? YES.
AND SO HOW, SO YOU GUYS PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO THE POINT SYSTEM PRIOR TO US DRAWING THE MONKEY WRENCH AND SAYING, WHAT ABOUT SAFETY? AND HERE WE ARE BARKING THAT WE WANT OUR NUMBERS, BUT NOW WE'RE ASKING YOU CHANGE OF NUMBERS.
SO HOW DOES THIS IMPACT YOUR WORK AND HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE US TO GET IT? BECAUSE I HONESTLY DON'T THINK THAT IF THIS MAKES VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON THESE TWO SHEETS, WHY ARE WE GONNA MAKE YOU WASTE YOUR TIME DOING IT? UNLESS IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IN AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET, THE NUMBER GETS CHANGED AND THE DATA GETS PUMPED OUT AND IT'S A BUTTON THAT GETS PUSHED AND IT'S NOT SOMEBODY SPENDING THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS LATE NIGHTS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT REALLY ISN'T GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION VERY MUCH.
UM, IN GENERAL, UM, IF WE'RE NOT ADDING CRITERIA, UM, IT, AND IF WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE WAITING, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT AT THIS POINT NEXT WEEK JUST BECAUSE WE ARE ON SUCH A CRUNCH DEADLINE.
LIKE IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THINGS STARTING NEXT WEEK AND THEREFORE AFTER IT WOULD START TO BECOME A LOT MORE COMPLICATED, UM, JUST BASICALLY KEEPING TRACK OF THE UPDATES THAT HAVE TO GO TO OUR, OUR G I S STAFF AND BACK AND FORTH, UM, TO GET THINGS SCORED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, BUT AS OF TODAY IT WOULD NOT BE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THAT.
BUT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT AND A WASTE OF TIME ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
SO IS IT A I RUN MY OWN BUSINESS SO I'M VERY TIME CONSCIOUS, RIGHT? LIKE WHY ARE YOU WASTING YOUR TIME DOING THIS IF IT HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO IMPACT AT THE END OF THE DAY? SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT HAS ZERO IMPACT.
I SEE SOME THINGS MOVE AROUND, BUT IF THE IMPACT IS MINIMAL, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S WORTH CHANGING THAT CRITERIA.
UM, THAT'S JUST MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION.
NEXT QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING THE SAFETY.
UM, AND I SEE ON PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND I ASSUME THERE'S OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC THINGS.
AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GETTING THIS TRAFFIC DATA? IS IT A YEAR OLD? IS IT FIVE YEARS OLD? LIKE HOW MANY INJURIES IN WHAT TIME PERIOD? SO WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT THREE TO FIVE YEARS DATA.
UH, WE'VE HAD SOME, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, DURING COVID BECAUSE
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TRAFFIC VOLUMES WENT DOWN, PEOPLE WERE NOT DRIVING AS MUCH.UM, WE HAVE A, A COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE THE DATA IS PROBABLY NOT, UH, REALISTIC.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT, UH, WHAT WE SHOULD BE USING, BUT, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS DATA.
BUT TYPICALLY WE WOULD LOOK AT THREE YEARS DATA GOING BACK.
AND SO I KNOW JUST FOR ABSOLUTE FACT, THERE IS A CORNER, THREE HOUSES FROM MY HOUSE.
THREE, YEAH, THREE, THREE HOUSES, THREE PROPERTIES OVER LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF ACCIDENTS PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION THAT STARTED GOING ON AND ACTUALLY KIND CALMING DOWN THE TRAFFIC.
BUT ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS PULLED THE, UH, ACCIDENT REPORT AND IT DID NOT REFLECT THAT BECAUSE THE POLICE DIDN'T FILE REPORTS.
SO THE DATE IS FLAWED BECAUSE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY, I MEAN, ONE WAS A FATALITY AS FAR AS I KNOW, WAS A MOTORCYCLE THAT GOT HIT BY A TRUCK THAT WENT THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
I MEAN, IT WAS A BAD, BAD, BAD ACCIDENT THAT DIDN'T SHOW UP.
SO I'M, I'M REALLY CONCERNED HOW ACCURATE IS THIS DATA IF THE POLICE DON'T FILE REPORTS CONSISTENTLY? AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR CRITERIA IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I KNOW SOMETIMES IT DEPENDS ON WHAT OFFICER RESPONDS, BUT HOW ACCURATE IS THIS DATA? HOW ACCURATE DO YOU KNOW IT IS? SO YOU, YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD POINT.
AND THE ONLY DATA THAT WE GET IS WHAT, UH, IS FROM POLICE REPORTS.
UM, TYPICALLY OUR FATALITIES ARE HIGH INJ, YOU KNOW, SEVERE INJURIES ARE REPORTED WHENEVER PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE AN INSURANCE CLAIM WHERE IT'S NOT A BENDER BENDER MM-HMM.
BUT I GUESS 75% OF THE, UH, ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN IF THERE IS NO INJURY.
AND IF IT'S NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH, THEY, YOU KNOW, POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL TELL PEOPLE TO JUST CALL THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AND WORK IT OUT.
SO WE CANNOT, THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO CAPTURE THAT DATA SO THEY, SO THEY DON'T RESPOND.
SO CAN WE ASSUME THEN THAT THE, THE LACK OF REPORTING IS EQUAL ACROSS THE CITY? IS THAT THE ASSUMPTION MADE THEN? THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT.
UH, BUT WHAT WE REALLY LOOK FOR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR TRAFFIC SIGNALS IS HOW TO PREVENT THIS, UH, INJURIES THAT RESULT IN FATALITIES OR SERIOUS INJURIES.
AND THOSE ARE USUALLY THE T-BONE KINDS OR HEAD-ON POLLUTION.
SO THOSE ARE TYPICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THAT ARE REPORTED, PROBABLY, PROBABLY A VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE.
SO, SO THAT'S THE DATA THAT WE LOOK AT.
AND NOT THAT I WANNA ADD ANY MORE WORK TO ANYBODY'S, UH, PLATE, ESPECIALLY THIS LATE IN THE GAME, BUT IS THERE DATA FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANIES AVAILABLE? NOT EASILY TO US, NO.
CAN I, UH, JUST ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? UM, FIRST OF ALL, UM, LEMME JUST TALK ABOUT THE INTERSECTION WHERE THERE WAS A FATALITY.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT INTERSECTION, RIGHT? AND IT HASN'T BEEN REPORTED SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER DIDN'T GET IT ON THE LIST.
THAT'S WHERE, WHERE WHY WE ARE HERE.
YOU AND YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
I'M SURE THE COMMUNITY ALREADY KNOWS AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS THAT ABILITY TO SWITCH THINGS AROUND.
IT IS IMPORTANT THOUGH FOR THE STAFF TO HEAR THAT THAT DID NOT GET COUNTED SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER SO THAT THEY CAN ALWAYS KEEP AT THE TOP OF THEIR MIND, HOW WOULD WE MAKE THIS BETTER, RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY, VERY SERIOUS THING THAT YOU'RE BRINGING UP.
BUT I'M, I'M ASSUMING IT WAS A FATALITY CUZ I SAW THE AFTERMATH.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE GUY DIED.
WE JUST KNOW THAT MOTORCYCLE WAS CRUMPLED AND THERE WAS A GUY LAYING ON THE STREET.
BUT IT, IT DIDN'T SHOW UP IN THE REPORT RIGHT? EITHER WAY IT WAS A VERY SERIOUS ACCIDENT.
SO UNLESS THE STAFF TELLS US DIFFERENTLY, YOU KNOW, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE MAKE SURE THAT THE STAFF KNOWS THE INTERSECTION.
NOW MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWS THE INTERSECTION SO THAT IT WILL GET ADDRESSED AND NOT GET LOST, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE COUNCIL IS REVIEWING JUST VOLUMINOUS AMOUNTS OF DATA AT THE END OF THAT.
BECAUSE THIS AN IMPORTANT THING.
UM, IS, ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR CAN WE OKAY, GO AHEAD.
JENNIFER GRANTHAM, DISTRICT SEVEN MAY BE THE ASSISTANT SENIOR MANAGER, BUT, UM, MY DISTRICT FROM OUR TOWN HALL IS VERY INTERESTED IN THE EQUITY OVERLAY.
AND SO A LOT OF THEIR QUESTIONS ARE, UM, OR I GUESS MINE WOULD BE WHEN WE DO GET THE 80 POINTS FOR THE TECHNICAL AND THEN THE 20 POINTS OF THE OVERLAY.
DOES THAT 20 POINT BREAKDOWN, WILL THAT INCLUDE THE EQUITY COMPONENT SO THAT I CAN, UH, SEE HOW THAT ADDRESSES PROJECTS IN MY DISTRICT AND CAN RESPOND TO THOSE INQUIRIES? UM, SO I, THIS IS BRITA.
I MAY NOT BE THE PERSON TO ANSWER THIS CAUSE I'M
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NOT THE DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION, BUT, UM, I CAN ANSWER THE BASICS.SO YES, OF THAT 20 POINTS, PART OF THAT WILL BE THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT SCORE THAT IS BEING SCORED.
AND THEN, SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO, TO SEE THE IMPACT OF THAT.
AND IT IS THESE FIVE CRITERIA.
THAT IS, THOSE FIVE CRITERIA ARE WHAT MAKE UP THE, THE CITY'S IMPACT EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT.
AND, UM, SO I KNOW THAT THAT 20 POINTS WILL INCLUDE THAT I'M ASKING IF THEY'RE, IF IT'S NUMERICALLY POSSIBLE TO HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THAT THAT SHOWS THE EQUITY POINTS AND WHICH OF THE CRITERIA THAT THEY QUALIFIED FOR.
AND THAT EQUITY, SINCE THAT DATA IS CREATED TO CREATE THE TOTAL OF THE 20, COULD THEN ALSO BE BROKEN DOWN.
SO I CAN SAY, YES, THIS SECTION OF MLK IS GONNA BE HIGHER BECAUSE IT MEETS MORE EQUITY POINTS AND WE CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT.
UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T THINK SO, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY TAKE THOSE FACTORS AND THEY GENERATE THAT SCORE FOR THE AREA.
AND SO THEY MAY NOT HAVE KIND OF A MATHEMATICAL BREAKDOWN IF THE, IF THE AREA SCORED A FOUR, THEY MAY, I DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A LIST OF WHICH FOUR IT HIT.
WE COULD KIND OF REVERSE ENGINEER THAT, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S READILY AVAILABLE, BUT WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON JUST THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL SO WE CAN PUT THAT PART OF IT TO BED? OKAY.
UM, UH, DOES ANYBODY WANNA CHANGE ANY OF THE CRITERIA ON THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL? I JUST WANNA, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TO COME BACK AT THIS, THIS, AGAIN, THIS IS JENNIFER.
I DON'T, I SECOND HER COMMENTS.
UM, THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE ON THE LIST SEEM VERY MINOR AND FAR DOWN AND SO THE LIKELIHOOD OF PROJECT SELECTION FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL MAKING IT INTO THE SPAWN, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT EXTRA RESTRUCTURING OF THE PERCENTAGES WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THAT.
SO ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? CANDACE, I I THINK I MAY HAVE CUT YOU OFF A LITTLE WHILE AGO, BUT DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS WHO WERE ONLINE? OKAY, I'M HEARING NONE.
THERE'S SOMEBODY, I JUST, THIS IS MORRIS SCHRIER FLEMING, I WOULD CONCUR IF IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, AGAIN, WHY WOULD YOU WASTE YOUR TIME? AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S DECISION TO MAKE.
SO LET'S PUT THAT ASIDE, UM, THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THE CRITERIA ON THAT.
ANYBODY WANNA GO ON TO ANOTHER SUBJECT, SUBJECT MATTER? THIS IS SUSAN.
UH, I WANTED TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING THAT, UM, SHE SAID ABOUT THE OVERLAY CRITERIA AND DART, YOU SAID THAT THE POINTS WERE AWARDED FOR THE SIX AREAS.
THERE ARE, SO ONE PORTION, ONE OF THE FIVE PORTIONS IS ABOUT TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS, RIGHT? AND THERE ARE SIX AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED BY DART IN THE CITY AS AREAS WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT RESOURCES TO DO TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, WHERE THERE ARE LIGHT RAIL BUS STATIONS, ET CETERA, PLACES THEY WANT THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING ON MOVING PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF.
I WAS KIND OF CONFUSED BY THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST READING THE OTHER MATERIALS AND LOOKING AT IT GENERALLY, I JUST KIND OF ASSUMED THAT IF IT WAS AN AREA NEAR A DART STATION THAT WE WOULD WANT TO ENCOURAGE OR SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, MOBILITY THROUGH OUR, OUR DART STATION.
SO I, IN OUR DISTRICT, WE ARE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THE SIX THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING FOCUSED ON FOR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE CERTAINLY HAVE FOUR STATIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.
SO WHY WOULD THEY JUST MAKE IT THE SIX AND NOT JUST, AND I GUESS PART B OF THIS QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE FINE GRAIN OF THIS? I MEAN, ARE YOU GOING DOWN TO CENSUS DATA, UM, WHEN YOU START SCORING OR, OR YOU KNOW, HOW BIG OF A BLOCK ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHEN YOU SURE.
WHEN YOU SAY THIS AREA IS X? OKAY, SO LET ME, LET ME ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF THE QUESTION.
UM, OKAY, SO I DO NOT KNOW WHY DART SELECTED THOSE SIX.
UM, I, I MAY BE, TRANSPORTATION HAS AN ANSWER ON WHY THOSE SIX AREAS ARE THEIR TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT.
WE CAN WORK ON GETTING AN ANSWER TO THAT, BUT IT'S NOT WHY THE SIX? OKAY.
IT'S WHY ARE YOU ONLY FOCUSING ON SIX AND NOT IF THE GIVEN PROJECT OR WHATEVER IS ANYWHERE NEAR A DART STATION? YES.
SO THAT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT, THAT I RECEIVED.
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WE WE NEED TO DIG INTO THE WHY ON THAT CAUSE I DON'T HAVE THAT CURRENTLY.UM, THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, I'M SORRY, THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS AROUND HOW BIG OF A GRID, LIKE ARE WE GOING DOWN THE CENSUS TRACK? YEAH, SO WE, WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID WAS WE CREATED A GRID THAT IS ONE MILE BY ONE MILE OF THE CITY.
WE NEEDED A, WE HAD KIND OF POINTS ON A MAP AND WE NEEDED A GEOGRAPHY TO WORK WITH AND WE NEEDED IT TO BE SMALLER THAN SOME OF LIKE A COUNCIL DISTRICT OR PERHAPS A FULL CENSUS TRACK.
SO WE BROKE IT DOWN INTO INDIVIDUAL ONE MILE BY ONE MILE GRIDS.
UM, AND THEN IF ANY PART OF THAT GRID SCORED FOR ANY OF THOSE THINGS, THEN THE WHOLE GRID ESSENTIALLY GOT THOSE POINTS.
SO WE WERE TRYING TO BE, UH, CONCENTRATED IN OUR GEOGRAPHICAL FOCUS, BUT THEN GENEROUS IN THE, IN THE AWARDING OF THOSE POINTS.
YEAH, THAT, THAT'S PRETTY FINE TUNED.
UH, JENNIFER ON THAT, WHERE, WHERE DO I FIND OUT WHAT THE SIX LOCATIONS WERE THAT THEY WANTED TO FOCUS ON? WE CAN GET, GET YOU A MAP OF THAT.
MY CAN YOU SEND IT TO THE WHOLE COMMITTEE PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.
MY SUSPICION, I, I DUNNO WHAT LOCATIONS THERE, BUT MY SUSPICION IS THERE, THE SIX STATIONS THAT DART IS ACTIVELY, UM, WORKING ON DEVELOPING, UH, TRYING TO FORM LIKE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO HAVE, UM, GREATER DEVELOPMENT AROUND THOSE STATIONS.
BUT JUST TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT.
AND THEN THAT WILL HELP YOU TO, IF YOU KNOW WHICH ONES WELL, I WAS JUST CURIOUS, ARE THEY NOT THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE, THE TIFF? THERE'S A T O D TIFF? WELL, THAT WOULD BE SIX TIFFS.
THERE, THERE IS A, OR IS IT THERE? JUST ONE.
THERE IS IS ONE TIFF CALLED A T D TIFF.
OH REALLY? AND IT HASS AND THAT, I JUST JUMPED TO THAT AND ASSUMED THAT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT THAT THE, I BELIEVE NONE OF US ARE EXPERT IN THIS FIELD, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY GET THE QUESTION.
SO TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT T I'LL LOOK THAT UP.
UM, NOW WE'RE GONNA START, I'M GONNA DO THIS METHODICALLY AND WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE AND WE'RE GONNA EITHER CONSENT OR NOT CONSENT.
UH, I'M GONNA START WITH STREET RECONSTRUCTION CRITERIA.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CRITERIA? AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT, TO MAKE IT BETTER OR, OR LEAVE OUT SOMETHING? SO I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GET TO PAGE 10, THE CRITERIA OR PAVEMENT CONDITION, STREET CLASSIFICATION TIME AND NEEDS INVENTORY AND D W U WORK PLAN PROJECT.
REMEMBERING THAT WE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ON SAFETY AND HOW SAFETY FITS INTO A LOT OF THESE DIFFERENT CRITERIA CATEGORIES.
UH, SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT SAFETY IN THE CRITERIA CATEGORY, WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO ANSWER IT.
UM, AND THIS REALLY APPLIES TO STREETS AND ALLY'S FOR US.
UM, IT DOES SEEM TO ME THE MOST DATA RELEVANT THING WE HAVE IS THE 4,000 LASERS THAT ARE GIVING US A PCI SCORE AND TO ONLY ACCOUNT FOR HALF OF THE TOTAL.
SEE, I, I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONING BEHIND THAT.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WOULD TAKE IT FROM.
MAYBE THE 20 POINTS I DON'T YET UNDERSTAND, UM, OR MAYBE THE TIME AND THE NEEDS INVENTORY, BUT IT JUST FEELS TO ME THAT THE, THE MOST DATA DRIVEN THING WE HAVE IS THE TRUCK THAT DRIVES AROUND AND TELLS US HOW BAD THE ROADS ARE.
AND IT'S SO PERSONAL CUZ IT'S EVERY TIME YOU LEAVE YOUR HOUSE, IT'S EVERY TIME YOU COME HOME FROM YOUR HOUSE.
UM, SO IF SOMEBODY CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY P C ISN'T GETTING A GREATER WEIGHT IN THE ALLOCATION, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE PCI IS GETTING HALF OF THE, WELL, YEAH, HALF OF THE POINT, RIGHT? IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE HUNDRED SCORES, SO IT STILL IS HALF OF THE TOTAL SCORE IS PCR OR THE CONDITION.
AND WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF THE CONDITION, WHICH IS AGAIN, WE'RE COMPARING ALL TOGETHER AS FAR AS THE CONDITION GOES, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS IN, UM, IMPROVING THE STREETS, SUCH AS, UM, THE STREET CLASSIFICATION.
WHAT IF TWO PCI IS THE SAME FOR TWO STREETS? THEN WHAT WE GONNA DO NEXT, RIGHT? WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IS THE CLA, UH, STREET CLASSIFICATION? IS IT THE PRINCIPLE ARTERIAL VERSUS THE LOCAL STREET? WHICH ONE HAS MORE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON IT? WHICH ONE HAS MORE LOAD ON IT? SO WE'RE GONNA, UH, UH, GIVE MORE POINTS TO THE ARTERIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, AND, UH, SO ON AND SO FORTH THAT YOU SEE HERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF DALLAS WATER UTILITY HAS A PLAN TO REPLACE THE WATERLINE, SHOULD WE GIVE THEM A POINT OR NOT? I, I GUESS
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MY TAKE ON THIS ONE IS WHATEVER CUTOFF THEY, UH, POINT THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS CRITERIA, WE CAN ARGUE IT THAT Y 60, Y 70, Y 80, AND Y 90, RIGHT? I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS THAT, UM, I THINK PLAY A ROLE IN DESERT MINING.THAT STREET IS IMPORTANT TO BE IMPROVED OR NOT.
AND THAT'S WHY WE GAVE THEM HALF OF THE POINT PER CONDITION BASE AND THE OTHER HALF OTHER CRITERIA THAT, UH, WE'RE GONNA SEE.
AND AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, I GUESS WE HAVE TO ELABORATE.
I HAVE TO ELABORATE SOMETHING THAT ONCE WE HAVE A PAVING MODEL AND WE HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT RUN A PAVING MODEL FOR US, ONCE WE COLLECT THE DATA AND UH, WE COLLECT PCI, AND I'M ASSUMING EVERYONE BY NOW KNOWS PCI PAVING CONDITION INDEX.
ONCE WE COLLECT THE DATA, WE GIVE IT TO THE PAVING MODEL TO RUN THE ANALYSIS AND SEE WHAT STREETS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR, UH, RECONSTRUCTION, WHAT THE STREETS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR RESURFACING.
AND KEEP IN MIND, ONLY THESE TWO TYPE OF TREATMENTS ARE, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR BOND PROGRAM.
OTHER LIGHTER TREATMENTS ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE BOND PROGRAM, JUST DUE TO THE FACT THAT PROPOSITION A HAS A DEFINITION THAT ONLY ALLOWS FOR RESURFACING AND RECONSTRUCTION WITH THE LONGER TERM OF LIFESPAN.
SO ONCE WE, UH, GATHER THE DATA, MOST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE NEEDS OF MENTOR, THEY'RE ALL IN THE, THE CATEGORY OF, I GUESS, PCI FROM MAYBE ZERO ALL THE WAY TO, UM, HIGHERS P C I IN ORDER TO CUT IT TO THE RESURFACING AND RECONSTRUCTION, UH, CATEGORIES, RIGHT? IF THIS THREE IS IN THE P C I 80 AND STILL NEED SOME SORT OF TREATMENT BUT DOESN'T NEED A BOND TO FUND IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO WHAT IS ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY, REGARDLESS THE CONDITION ARE ALL BAD.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER FACTORS TO WEIGH IN TO SEE WHAT STREETS SHOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE NEXT ONE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE COME UP WITH THE OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS, UM, CLASSIFICATION TIMES THE DW AND OVERLAY OF COURSE.
I THINK THAT THE ONE I CALLED OUT WAS MAYBE TIME AND NEEDS INVENTORY TAKE FROM THAT OR THIS 20% OVERLAY.
AND I APOLOGIZE CUZ I HA I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN SHARED ANY SORT OF NEEDS INVENTORY FOR THE STREETS THAT I CAN LOOK AT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER.
UM, SO IT'S HARD TO, TO LISTEN TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND APPLY IT TO THE DATA CUZ WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY.
UM, AND AGAIN, APOLOGIES IF WE HAVE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST, I JUST FEEL LIKE P C I, PARTICULARLY IN ALLEYS, WHICH IT'S ONLY GETTING 30%, BUT DEFINITELY ALSO IN STREETS, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST PART OF THIS BOND, UM, 50%.
IT'S GONNA BE A HARD EXPLANATION IF SOMEBODY HAS A REALLY LOW P C I SCORE AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT EVERY DAY AND THEN WE SAY THERE'S THIS 20% WHICH WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN, UM, REALLY HOW IT'S GONNA BE APPLIED IS GONNA OVERRULE WHAT THEY SEE EVERY DAY.
UH, BACK TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, MAAM, YOU ARE CORRECT, WE HAVEN'T PROVIDED ANY LIST FOR THIS TREAT YET.
UH, WE'RE HOPING TO GET THAT TO YOU BY, UH, JULY TIMEFRAME THAT DR.
UM, FOR THE S UM, YOU ARE RIGHT, 30% IS THE P C I.
HOWEVER, KEEP IN MIND FOR THE S OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS RARE ENTRY AND SANITATION, UH, OR A GARBAGE PICKUP, THEY'RE VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE ALLEYS.
WE DON'T EVEN CONSIDER ALLEYS THAT NO ONE ACCESS THAT ALLEY ANYWAYS BECAUSE WE, THERE'S NO NEED TO IMPROVE THE ALLEYS IF NO ONE ACCESS IN IT OR IF THERE'S NO, UH, TRASH PICKUP.
SO THE COMBINATION OF TRASH PICKUP AND, UM, AND I GUESS WE ARE GONNA GET TO THE EARLY TECHNICAL CRITERIA LATER ON, BUT THE, THE FACTOR THAT WE HAVE, 30 15 PERSON, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN FOR, UH, SANITATION AND 15 FOR, UH, RARE ACCESS ENTRY, IT COMES UP WITH 30 POINTS, UH, ALONG WITH THE CONDITION, WHICH IS 30 POINTS, UM, MAKES UP 60 POINTS OR MAJORITY OF THE POINTS FOR, UH, THE TOTAL CRITERIA FOR THE ALLEYS, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, FOR THE STREETS, UM, IT WAS DECIDED TO HAVE HALF OF THE CONDITION BASED ON THE PCI.
SO, UM, IF WE HAVE TO MAKE IT 60 OR 70, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.
UH, I JUST WANNA, I GUESS MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT A ANY CHANGE IN THE POINT IN THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC WORKS AT LEAST, UM, IT WILL DELAY THE PROCESS FOR US TO PROVIDE YOU THE DATA BECAUSE WE HAVE TO RUN THE, RUN EVERYTHING AND IS A MASSIVE DATABASE THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE TO GO OVER THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CREATING BECAUSE WE'RE CREATING GRAPH OUT
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OF THE BUDGET ALLOCATION, THE STREETS, AND ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE DATA BY END OF THIS WEEK TO JENNY.AND, UH, SO ANY CHANGE TO THAT POINT.
SO DEFINITELY YOU'RE GONNA DELAY THE PROCESS, BUT IF THAT'S A DESIRE, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT AND SEE IF, UH, THERE ARE BETTER, BETTER DEFINITION FOR CONDITION.
AND I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE THE STREETS DATA, I DID LOOK AT THE ALLEY DATA AND THE TOP THOUSAND PROJECTS, THE RANGE IN THE SCORE OUT OF 80 IS ONLY 70 TO 78.
SO THOSE ARE ALL SO CLOSE AND I, I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND I THINK WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO ABOUT 200 OF THOSE.
AND SO WHATEVER THIS 20% WE HAVEN'T SEEN ON IS GONNA HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON THINGS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TOGETHER ALREADY.
THAT GOING TO SOMETHING MORE TECHNICAL AND EASIER TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WITH THE DATA THAT 4,000 LASERS IS GONNA PROVIDE, JUST SEEMS TO ME TO BE MORE DEFENDABLE THAN, UM, AN OVERLAY WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.
UM, AND I'M JUST, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW CLOSE ALL OF THESE NUMBERS ARE HELPING SOMEBODY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN'T GET INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY STILL, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED, IT'S GONNA BE REALLY HARD.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IN FRONT OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE HIT WITH ON THE BACKEND, WHICH IS, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THIS NEEDS FIXED AND IT HAS A REALLY HIGH SCORE, BUT IT'S STILL NOT GONNA MAKE THE CUT.
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT USING THE MORE OBJECTIVE DATA AS FAR AS I CAN TELL.
AND AGAIN, MAYBE THE OTHER IS OBJECTIVE, I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT, UM, TO, TO TRY AND WEIGHT THAT BETTER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE FIRST 2000 AND ALL OF THEM HAVE 60 OUT OF 80 POINTS IN THE ALLEYS, AND I'M GUESSING ROADS IS GONNA BE SIMILAR.
AND I'M USING ALLEYS JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DATA FOR ROADS YET.
YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA FOR ROADS YET, BUT FOR THE ALLEYS, UM, AGAIN, EVEN IF YOU REMOVE ALL THE CRITERIA AND JUST STAY WITH THE P C AND IF THIS IS THE ONLY FACTOR THAT WE ARE GONNA ASSIGN FOR, UM, SCORING THE ALLEYS STILL, YOU SEE A LOT OF ALLEYS IN THE SAME SCORE.
SO THAT NOT GONNA CHANGE ANYWAYS.
SO WITH THE LIMITED MONEY THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ALL THE, WE ALL KNOW THAT, RIGHT? IF THE, THE ALLES ARE 600 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE, AND WE HAVE MAYBE 60 MILLION, SO WE CAN ONLY ADDRESS 10 PERSON, WHETHER THAT'S 200, 300, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WOULD BE, THAT WILL BE THE NUMBER.
BUT, UM, I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF NUMBERS ARE CLOSED AND VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
78 VERSUS 79, WHICH ONE IS BETTER? SERIOUSLY, BETWEEN 78 AND 79, IS THERE REALLY A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 78 AND 79? MAYBE NOT, BUT THERE SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF, UH, METHOD TO THIS MADNESS TO, UM, CREATE A LIST OUT OF WHAT WE HAVE BASED ON THE DATA WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE DATA.
P C I ONE OF THE COMPONENT, AND I ALSO AGREE, UH, BELIEVE THAT RARE ACCESS ENTRY AND SANITATION PICKUP IS ALSO VERY OBJECTIVE, SUCH AS A CONDITION BECAUSE IF THE ALLEY IS IN THE BAD SHAPE, BUT NO ONE IS USING IT.
SO WHAT IS THE POINT OF INVESTING IN THAT ALLEY TO IMPROVE IT? I KNOW THAT SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ACTUALLY, THEY'RE ENCOURAGING THE RESIDENTS TO PUT THE TRASH ON THE STREET THAT THE ALLEY DOESN'T YET ACTUALLY IMPROVE.
UM, AND WE SPEND MORE ON THE STREET.
AND AGAIN, DIFFERENT PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION.
I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE, UH, THAT SHOULD BE THE CASE.
BUT HOWEVER WE LOOK AT IT, THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER.
SO THE ALLEY THAT WE PROVIDED TO Y'ALL IS BASED ON THE 80 POINTS.
ONCE THE OVERLAY HAPPENS, THE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE.
AND WE HAVE TOLD Y'ALL BEFORE ON THE PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD, THESE ARE THE, AT LEAST BASED ON THE 80 POINTS ONLY.
SO ONCE WE GET THE 20 POINTS, THE NUMBERS MAY HAVE A, UH, BIGGER DIFFERENCES MAY NOT HAVE A BIGGER DIFFERENCES.
IT, IT'S REALLY, WE DON'T KNOW.
I, I DON'T THINK IF ANYONE KNOWS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T OVERLAID THE DATA YET.
SO ONCE THAT HAPPENS, IT MAY HELP WITH IDENTIFYING WHICH ONES ARE MORE IMPORTANT.
AND IF THE QUESTION IS THAT WE HAVE TO REMOVE THE OVERLAY JUST TO BEGIN WITH, THAT MIGHT BE A DISCUSSION THAT IS ABOVE MY PAYCHECK, TO BE HONEST.
AND, UM, YEAH, WE CAN JUST LOOK AT IT.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO, LISTEN, WHAT ARE THEY, I GUESS CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS.
BUT AGAIN, REGARDLESS, EVERYTHING WOULD BE VERY RELATIVE AND TO SOME EXTENT, UH, SOME AREA OF SUBJECTIVITY ALSO IS THERE, UH, FOR SELECTION OF THE ALLEYS
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OR STREETS OR ANY OTHER ASSETS.UM, I HAVE PATTY NEXT, BUT, UM, SO DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION? DO YOU WANT, IF YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION AS TO WHAT YOU WANT, THEN YOU NEED TO PUT IT FORTH RIGHT NOW SO THAT EITHER THE COMMITTEE CAN CONSENT TO IT OR NOT.
IS YOUR SUGGESTION NOT TO ADD IN THE 20 EXTRA POINTS? THE OVERLAYS? I, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO ADD IN THE OVERLAYS, BUT MAYBE WAIT THEM AT 10 INSTEAD OF 20 AND THEN ALSO LOOK AT TAKING AWAY TIME AND NEEDS FROM 10 DOWN TO FIVE OR EVEN THREE POINTS.
UH, SO THE QUESTION, UH, BEFORE THE FLOOR, UH, ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW IS TO TAKE ON PAGE 11, TAKE THE TIME AND NEEDS INVENTORY DOWN TO FIVE AND TAKE THE, UH, OVERLAY DOWN TO 10.
SO YOU HAVE 15 ADDITIONAL POINTS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADD IT SOMEWHERE.
THE PCI, SO LET ME KNOW TO THE PCI.
CAN I ASK ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? UM, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, LET ME JUST ASK FOR DISCUSSION AROUND THE TABLE CUZ THAT'S HOW THIS IS ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND, AND YOU CAN, AND, AND IF YOU WANNA ASK A QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I'LL PUT YOU IN LINE.
I'VE GOT THREE OTHER PEOPLE, OKAY? YES.
UM, PATTY, THEN JENNIFER, AND THEN MARA.
OKAY, SO THE CITY STREETS ALL SUCK.
AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA SCORE THE SAME NUMBER SO WE CAN MAKE THIS A HUNDRED POINTS AND THEY'RE ALL GONNA BE THE SAME.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME WAY OF DIFFERENTIATING ONE FROM THE OTHER.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY POINT IN CHANGING ANY OF THE OTHER STUFF TO GIVE MORE POINTS TO PAVEMENT CONDITION BECAUSE FRANKLY EVERY SINGLE STREET'S GONNA SCORE HIGH.
DO YOU AGREE? I MEAN, IS THIS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A LOT OF STREETS IN THE NEEDS OF, UM, IMPROVEMENT.
NO, YOU DRIVE THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND I HIT A POTHOLE.
I MEAN, NOBODY EVEN CALLS 'EM IN ANYMORE CUZ IT JUST IS WHAT IT IS.
IF THAT'S TRUE, THEN WHY DO WE DO A PCI I MEAN, IF YOU'RE SAYING THEY'RE ALL THE SAME, I JUST CAN'T, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
WELL, SOME MAY RE THAT WE WOULDN'T SPEND ALL THE MONEY TO DO IT.
SOME MAY BE, SOME MAY BE RESURFACED AND SOME MAY BE COMPLETELY REDONE, I GUESS WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE.
MY, MY COMMENT AND, AND THE REST OF YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I HAVE LITERALLY TONIGHT TO PACK FOR A TRIP AND I'M GONNA LEAVE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES.
WHEN SOMEBODY SENDS A PATIENT TO ME, THEY WANT MY OPINION, I'M GIVING 'EM AN OPINION CUZ THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
AND I THINK THESE PEOPLE HERE ARE THE PROFESSIONALS AND IF THEY'VE WAITED IT THE WAY THEY'VE WAITED IT, THERE'S A REASON THEY DID IT.
AND FOR US TO BE WEIGHING IN ON THINGS ON THE INFINITESIMAL OF A POINT HERE OR THERE, I THINK WE'RE WASTING OUR TIME AND THEIR TIME.
UM, JENNIFER, WELL I HOPE YOU'RE GOING SOMEPLACE FINE TOO.
MY COMMENT WOULD JUST BE THAT I WOULD NOT WANNA SEE ANY OF THE OVERLAY POINTS REDUCED, IN MY OPINION.
THEY ARE THE DETERMINANT FOR HOW WE ADDRESS, UH, EQUITY EQUALITY AND THE DIRECTION AND THE, OF THE PERCEPTION OF PUBLIC PLANNING IN THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH THE FOCUSING ON THE TRANSIT ORIENT DEVELOPMENT AND, UM, REACHING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE HISTORICALLY BEEN DISINVESTED IN.
SO I WOULDN'T REMOVE ANY POINTS FROM THEM.
AND THE, UH, LAST COMMENT THAT I HAVE, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, PEOPLE WHO WANT COMMENT AS MORE ON CAN, UH, UM, THE QUESTION I HAVE IS, DOES PCI RELATE TO SAFETY IN TERMS OF ACCIDENTS? A HIGHER P C PCI IS MORE ACCIDENTS BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY COMPELLING PIECE OF INFORMATION TO KNOW.
AND, AND THEN SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION IS, HOW DOES PCI RELATE TO THE GRADING OF THE STREETS? IS IT SOMETHING LIKE ABOVE A 70 IS AN A OR, OR D I SHOULD SAY, AND THEN A BELOW A 50 IS A, A WHATEVER THE, THE LETTER IS.
CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE WAIT.
I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO WAIT THE PCI MORE IF IN FACT IT CORRELATES WITH SAFETY.
CAUSE I DON'T SEE SAFETY THERE.
UM, THE THING IS THAT PCI, UM, HAS NO CORRELATION.
UH, AT LEAST THE LINEAR CO CORRELATION WITH SAFETY.
THE P C I IS THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.
UH, THE, THE STREET COULD BE VERY BAD IN TERMS OF THE SURFACE OF IT.
UH, A LOT OF POTHOLES, A LOT OF CRACKS, UH, A LOT OF FAILURE, BUT COULD BE A SAFE ROAD ANYWAYS.
UM, THE SAFETY COMPONENT OF THE STREETS, I THINK IT, IT IS COVERING THE VISION ZERO, UM, SAFETY PLAN THAT TRANSPORTATION HAS.
AND THAT'S PART OF ACTUALLY THE OVERLAY THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR STREET PROJECT THAT IF THIS STREET IS IN THE VISION ZERO, UH, AREA, THAT IT GETS MORE POINT OUT OF IT BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, FACTOR.
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YEAH, P C I DOESN'T HAVE ANY CORRELATION WITH SAFETY, BUT THE P C I IS A NUMBER FROM ZERO TO A HUNDRED.SO, UH, BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT WHY IF ALL THE STREETS ARE BAD, UH, THEN WHY WE'RE GIVING PCI NUMBERS.
I NEED TO ELABORATE SOMETHING HERE TO CLARIFY.
IF WE HAD 3 BILLION TODAY TO ADDRESS ALL THESE STREETS, I WOULD GIVE MORE POINTS TO THE PCI BECAUSE WE COULD ADDRESS ALL THE STREETS AND IT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD INDICATOR FROM ZERO TO A HUNDRED, UH, SCORE THAT WE HAVE.
BUT WITH 400 MILLION, WITH 200 MILLION OR 300 MILLION, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ADDRESS MANY STREETS WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT WE HAVE ANYWAYS.
SO WE ARE ONLY GETTING TO THE TOP MAYBE 10% OF THE P C I WHERE ALL THE NUMBERS ARE VERY CLOSE ACTUALLY.
SO THE DELTA BETWEEN THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY MINIMAL BECAUSE THE, THE MARGIN OF THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE IS SOLO.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I WOULD LOVE TO MENTION.
BUT AGAIN, YEAH, BACK TO, UM, SAFETY, UM, NO CORRELATION WITH SAFETY WITH THE PCR AS FAR AS I'M AWARE OF IT.
ANY MORE COMMENTS? I JUST, ONE COMMENT WOULD BE ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
I THINK IF IT'S A STREET IS BEEN IN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH DIFFERENTIATION WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT.
THAT SHOULDN'T BE, SHOULDN'T BE SITTING IN A NEEDS INVENTORY FOREVER.
OKAY, JENNIFER? UH, JENNIFER, MY QUESTION ON THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION CRITERIA, UM, NOT TRYING TO ADD WORK.
I HEARD YOU, UM, COMPARING THAT ONE TO THE SIDEWALKS IMPROVEMENT CRITERIA.
MY QUESTION IS ABOUT BIKE LANES.
I THINK THEY FALL UNDER STREETS.
AND SO I'M WONDERING IF SIMILARLY ON SIDEWALKS WHERE THEY INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, LIKE OF DESIGNATED BIKE LANES VERSUS A SHERO OR CITIZEN REQUESTS WHERE CITIZENS HAVE REQUESTED BIKE LANES, IF THEY'RE GONNA BE INCLUDED IN STREET RECONSTRUCTION, UM, AND THEN PLACES OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION, UH, THE LAST MILE OF BIKE LANES TO RIDE TO A TRAIN STATION, THAT SORT OF THING.
DOES, DOES THAT NEED TO BE ADDED TO STREET RECONSTRUCTION OR IS THAT COVERED SOMEPLACE ELSE? SO, UM, I'M SURE CATHERINE GONNA CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UM, I BELIEVE BIKE THE, THE CITY IS WORKING ON THE BIKE LANE MASTER PLAN RIGHT NOW.
YES, I SAT IN ON THAT MEETING.
SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW IS THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE BOND PACKAGE AND PART OF SOMETHING I'M SELECTING FOR MY DISTRICT WHERE MY RESIDENTS HAVE REQUESTED LIKE ALONG MLK A PROTECTED BIKE LANE TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT COMPLETE STREET SORT OF CONSTRUCTION.
BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT IF IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE CRITERIA, DOES IT GET INCLUDED? I THINK DO YOU KNOW IF BIKE LANE WOULD BE PART OF THE OVERLAY? UM, IT WOULD BE A COMPLETE STREET PROJECT AND SO IT WOULD, IF IT NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BASICALLY THEN BE A COMPLETE STREET PROJECT IF IT INCLUDES BIKE LANES.
RIGHT? SO THEN IT, IT WOULD SORT OF YEAH, BE RECLASSIFIED FROM A COMPLETE, FROM A RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT TO A BIKE LANE PROJECT.
SO JUST SO SHOULD THERE BE A STREET RECONSTRUCTION CRITERIA THAT'S CALLED COMPLETE STREET? SO THAT'S STREETS THAT SH SHOULD, SHOULD THERE BE A CRITERIA FOR THAT? OR HOW, HOW DO I KNOW WE'RE, WE HAVE A CATEGORY FOR COMPLETE STREETS UNDER TRANSPORTATION, UH, RIGHT UNDER THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS.
UM, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE TWO, THE REASONS WHY, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S TAKING LONGER THAN ANYBODY WOULD LIKE, IT'S JUST GETTING ALL 300 PROJECTS RIGHT.
UM, IN THERE AND THEN GETTING IT OVERLAID WITH, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC WORKS IS, UM, RECONSTRUCTION RESURFACING NEEDS.
I HAVE PORTION NEXT THANK YOU PORTION.
YOUR DISTRICT, DISTRICT DISTRICT THREE, MY PORTION AND CONCERN FOR THE, UH, STREET RECONSTRUCTION AND ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION WHEN THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION FOR BOTH STREET AND, AND THE ALLEYS.
SO DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION PHASE ON THE STREET, YOU WOULD HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, UH, GET FUNDS OR SOMETHING FROM, UH, BLOOD CONTROL BECAUSE IT'S A WATER ISSUE.
SO HOW IS THAT FACTORED IN? SO THE, ON THE STREET RECONSTRUCTION CATEGORY NUMBER FOUR IS DW WORKMAN PROJECT, RIGHT? THESE ARE THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF A DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, UH, HAVE SOME SORT OF PLAN TO REPLACE THE WATER LINE IN THIS SECTION OF THE ROAD, THEN WE ALSO HAVE THAT ROAD AS A CATEGORY THAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION.
THEN WE'RE GONNA COMBINE THEM TOGETHER, ORGA THEM EVEN MORE POINT, UH, IN ORDER TO, UH, MAKE THESE TWO AT THE SAME TIME.
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THE, WHEN IT GOES TO THE RECONSTRUCTION, THE FUNDING, IF I'M, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE, THE FUNDING FOR THE WATER OR WASTEWATER WATER UPGRADE OF THE RECONSTRUCTION COMES FROM DALLAS WATER UTILITY? THAT'S CORRECT.SO THAT WILL, WELL IT WOULD BE A ONE PACKAGE AS RESTRICTED CONSTRUCTION, BUT USUALLY THE CONTRACTOR DOES THE UNDERGROUND UTILITY FIRST AND THEN AFTER THAT PAVING COMES YES, MA'AM.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
THIS IS JUST A STRAW POLL, UM, TO CHANGE THE, UH, PAVEMENT CONDITION.
THIS IS STREET RECONSTRUCTION ONLY TO 60.
LEAVE THE STREET CLASSIFICATION TO 15, CHANGE THE TIME IN NEEDS INVENTORY TO 15 AND REDUCE THE OVERLAY TO 10 PER 10 POINTS.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOME QUESTIONS, I'M GONNA ASK EVERYBODY TO EITHER CONSENT OR KNOW.
AND I'LL START WITH WHO WE'VE GOT UP ON THE, ON THE, ON THE, UH, WEBEX.
UM, CANDACE, I, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, I, I THOUGHT THE PROPOSAL WAS TO TAKE PAVEMENT TO 65 NEEDS TO FIVE AND THE OVERLAY DOWN TO 10.
BUT I JUST WANNA VERIFY THAT BEFORE I VOTE.
LEMME MAKE SURE THAT ADDS UP TO A HUNDRED.
UM, IT SHOULD, IT'S ADDING 15 C, TAKING AWAY FIVE AND 10.
SO ONE MORE TIME, IT'S YOUR PROPOSAL.
START WITH THE PAYMENT CONDITION INDEX.
15 POINTS TO 65 THE TIME AND NEEDS INVENTORY DOWN TO FIVE.
SO STILL IMPORTANT, BUT, UM, LOWERING IT.
AND THEN THE OVERLAYS DOWN TO 10 INSTEAD OF 20.
SO TAKING AWAY 10 THERE AS WELL.
SO CANDACE, HOW WOULD, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE? YOU HEAR FROM YOUR MOTION? YES, I WOULD VOTE YES.
MARA? UM, CAN I VOTE WITH A CAVEAT? WELL, LET'S, I I'LL SAY I SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT DISTINGUISHES THINGS THAT SHOULD BE DISTINGUISHED.
I, I'M NOT SURE THAT INCREASING PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS GONNA HELP US ANY BECAUSE AS, UH, I COULDN'T SEE WHO'S POINTED IT OUT.
THE PCIS ARE SO SIMILAR, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO DISTINGUISH THE ROADS, THE CHOICE OF ROADS THAT GET DONE.
BUT I CAN SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I THINK THE OVERLAY IS, IS LESS, UM, PREDICTIVE.
I'M NOT SURE WHO JN IS CUZ WE DON'T HAVE THE PICTURES UP.
OH, ALSO, UM, UM, DOCTOR PATTY, SIMON.
SHE, SHE TOLD ME BEFORE SHE LEFT, IT WAS NO, UM, JENNIFER, I VOTE NO.
SO THE CHAIR SEEING THAT IT'S FOUR TO TWO, UM, THE MA THE STRAW POLL, UH, FAILS.
LET'S MOVE ON TO TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR PROJECT SCORING, WHICH IS ON PAGE 11.
UM, DOES ANYBODY WANNA CHANGE THE SCORING ON PRO ON UNIMPROVED STREETS? SEEING NONE THAT PASSES ON THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR STREET RESURFACING.
UM, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S THE SAME AS THE STREETS AND IT'S THE SAME AS THE RECONSTRUCTION AND THE UNIMPROVED STREETS, RIGHT? THESE THREE ARE THE SAME.
SO DOES ANYBODY WANNA CHANGE THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR THE STREET RESURFACING? SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE ON ALLEY CONSTRUCTION.
SO LET'S HAVE A, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A, A QUESTION ABOUT THOSE THREE THAT WE JUST DID, THEY'RE SO SIMILAR, THE RECONSTRUCTION, THE, UH, UNIMPROVED STREET AND THE STREET RESURFACING.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND? OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON TO SEEING NONE.
WE'RE MOVING ON TO ALLIE RECONSTRUCTION.
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IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.THE PAYMENT, THE P C I IS 30, THE TIME AND NEEDS INVENTORY IS 10.
THE ALLEY USED FOR REAR ENTRY IS 15.
THE ALLEY USED FOR GARBAGE PICKUP IS 15.
AND THE AVAILABILITY OF EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY IS 10.
THIS IS WITHOUT THE OVERLAYS RIGHT NOW.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION? WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE REAR ENTRY.
ALLIE HAS TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ALLEYS THAT ARE NOT USED AND THE GARBAGE MOVED TO THE FRONT.
UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE ALLEY CONDITIONS? UH, PORSCHE GRARD THREE, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN.
AND MY, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREA, EVERYTHING IS FROM THE ALLEY PLUS THE LAND FARM.
IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR NEIGHBORS TO MOVE GARBAGE TO THE FRONT, BUT WE HAVE REAR, THERE'S REAR ENTRANCE, GARBAGE PICKUP CURRENTLY IS FROM THE ALLEY.
ALL OF THE, UH, UTILITIES ARE IN THE ALLEY.
SO EVERYTHING FOR US IS IN THE ALLEY.
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE EVERYTHING IS ALLEY ORIENTED.
SO DO YOU HAVE, UM, A SUGGESTION ON THE POINTS OR JUST A CO OR IS THAT JUST A COMMENT? THAT WAS JUST A COMMENT.
NOT EVERY CITY IN THE UNITED STATES HAS ALLEYS.
MATTER OF FACT JUST APPEARS THAT TEXAS IS, MAY BE AN ANOMALY THERE, BUT, UH, ANYBODY ONLINE, I'M SORRY.
LET'S MOVE TO UNIMPROVED ALLEYS.
I JUST ASK, WE'RE REALLY BIG ISSUE, HUH? CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YES.
DO THE SAME PRIORITY OVERLAYS APPLY TO ALLEYS, HIGH CRIME AREAS, G O D I MEAN THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO RELATE.
MAYBE HIGH CRIME, BUT NOT, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THE PRIORITY OVERLAYS ARE THE SAME FOR ALL PROJECTS, WHETHER IT'S A WATER PROJECT, AN ALLEY STREET, A FIRE STATION, ET CETERA.
DO YOU WANNA SUGGEST THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE AN OVERLAY ON THE ALLEYS? WELL, I GUESS YOU JUST GET A ZERO.
IT, IT CAN'T BE A T O D OR A DART SITE IN AN ALLEY.
I MEAN, COULD THERE BE? WELL, SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF YOU WERE WITHIN A GRID RIGHT, WITHIN THOSE GRIDS AND THERE WAS HIGH CRIME IN THAT GRID, THAT ALLEY WOULD STILL GET THOSE POINTS, RIGHT? SO ESSENTIALLY YOU COULD BENEFIT FROM THE EXISTENCE OF THAT OVERLAY AN ALLEY.
SOMETHING LIKE AN ALLEY COULD RECEIVE MORE POINTS.
BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GIVING THAT ENTIRE GEOGRAPHY THE POINT WITHOUT KIND OF SPECIFICATION TO THE TYPE OF PROJECT, KIND OF AS A NOD TO THE FACT THAT THAT AREA NEEDS IMPROVEMENT, NOT WHAT THE SPECIFIC PROJECT IS.
BECAUSE I MEAN, FOR, SO FOR EXAMPLE, SO THE REASON THAT COULD MAKE SENSE FOR A HIGH CRIME AREA IS IF YOU'RE IMPROVING AN ALLEY IN AN AREA WHERE AN OFFICER NEEDS TO GAIN ACCESS TO SOMETHING, HAVING THAT ALLEY IMPROVED COULD BE PART OF A CRIME REDUCTION STRATEGY BY PROVIDING A DIFFERENT ACCESS THERE.
SO FOR THAT REASON, WE APPLIED THESE UNIFORMLY SEEING THAT ANY IMPROVEMENT THAT WE COULD MAKE TO INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT AREA COULD BE SEEN AS A BENEFIT.
UM, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, THAT THAT MAKES SENSE.
IS THERE ANY DESIRE TO CHANGE THE CRITERIA FOR THE ALLEY RECONSTRUCTION? THE POINT SYSTEM? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON.
I, I WOULD, CANDACE TO MAURA'S POINT, I WOULD ARGUE FOR A LESSER OVERLAY, GIVEN THAT DART AND OTHER THINGS, I APPRECIATE THE HIGH CRIME WOULD APPLY IN THE EQUITY OVERLAY, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT ALL OF THE OVERLAY DOES EQUALLY AS IT WOULD TO STREETS.
UM, SO MAURA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION ON WHAT YOU WOULD SWITCH THAT TO? UM, WELL, WELL, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTEREST OF OF TIME AND DATA ANALYSIS AND ALL THAT, THEY WOULD JUST GET A ZERO.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES THAT MUCH OF AN IMPACT AT THIS LATE DAY, I THINK.
WELL, NO, THEY'RE SAYING THEY'LL GIVE IT THE SAME WEIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE THE STREETS BECAUSE IT'LL GET THE DART OVERLAY EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN ALLEY.
SO, SO IF I MAY, THIS IS BRITA AGAIN.
UM, SO LET'S, LET'S TAKE THAT EXAMPLE.
LET'S SAY THAT YOU ARE WITHIN THAT TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT AREA, AND IT IS AN ALLEY IN QUESTION.
SO THE, THE CONCEPT, THE HIGH LEVEL THEORY IS THAT IF WE'RE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY AND WE KNOW THAT DART IS DOING THESE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS IN THESE AREAS,
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IF WE'RE DOING A LOT OF INVESTMENT THERE, WE MAY HAVE MORE TRAFFIC, WE MAY HAVE MORE VOLUME, WE MAY HAVE MORE PEDESTRIANS, WE MAY HAVE MORE BIKES.AND SO THE IDEA IS HOW DO WE PROVE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN A SPOT LIKE THAT? SO IN, IN, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE COULD BE POINTS RECEIVED IF THAT ALLEY IS WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHY ADJACENT TO THAT TRANSPORTATION ORIENTED DISTRICT.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
UH, KNOWING THAT INFORMATION, CANDACE, DO YOU WANNA TAKE OUT PART OF THAT? UM, YEAH, I, I OVERLAY, I I I JUST, THE OVERLAY TO ME SEEMS LIKE A BIG HEAVY BLANKET THAT'S BEING APPLIED ACROSS ALL OF THESE AREAS WITHOUT A DISTINCTION FOR THE IMPACT IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE.
SO TO APPLY THE EQUITY OVERLAY, THE SAME ON STREETS AS ALLY'S I STRUGGLE WITH.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU PUT THAT, WHAT YOU TAKE AWAY FROM THAT EQUITY OVERLAY AND WHERE YOU PUT IT, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER OR YOU KNOW, I MAYBE EVEN JUST ALLOCATE IT EQUALLY OR PUT IT IN THE PCI.
BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT ISN'T EQUALLY APPLICABLE AS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE FOR STREETS.
BUT THAT MAY BE MY MISUNDERSTANDING OF IT.
AND I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO, TO LOOK AT AN EXAMPLE.
SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING TO TAKE AWAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POINTS FROM THE OVERLAY AND REDISTRIBUTE THEM TO PCI? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING? EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATE? YEAH, I JUST, OKAY.
I DON'T THINK IT WAS AS THOUGHTFUL AS A LOT OF THE OTHER EXPLANATIONS HAVE BEEN THAT THIS IS THE EQUITY OVERLAYS BEING APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL OF THESE, UM, CATEGORIES OR, YOU KNOW, THAT ALLY'S IS BEING TREATED THE SAME AS STREETS.
IT JUST, I STRUGGLE WITH THE 20% EVERYWHERE.
WHEN WE DON'T DO THAT WITH ALL THE OTHER GROUPS, I, I THINK THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION.
SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THE EQUITY COMPONENT IS DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT FROM THE PRIORITY OVERLAY.
UM, AND SO I, I KNOW THAT THEY MAY BE BEING USED INTERCHANGEABLY.
UM, SO THE EQUITY OVERLAY, WHICH AGAIN, I I'M NOT THE EXPERT IN THE, THE INTENTION WAS TO SAY IF WE HAVE AS A CITY HISTORICALLY DISINVESTED IN NEIGHBORHOODS, A BOND IS A MOMENT TO CHANGE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE INVESTMENT IS.
WHETHER IT'S AN ALLEY, A STREET, A FIRE STATION, A WATER MAINE, A SEWER SYSTEM.
AND SO THAT EQUITY OVERLAY BEING DISTINCT FROM THE PRIORITY OVERLAYS, THE, THE INTENTION OF THAT OVERLAY WAS TO RETURN INVESTMENT TO THESE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN HISTORICALLY DISINVESTED IN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FUNDING WAS GOING FOR, THAT THE IDEA THAT ANY IMPROVEMENT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN A HISTORICALLY DISINVESTED IN NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE SEEN AS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE RESIDENTS IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO I, I, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH, UM, WE, WE RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM CITY LEADERSHIP TO INCORPORATE THESE ELEMENTS BECAUSE AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS THEY FELT THAT THESE THINGS WERE IMPORTANT.
UM, AND STILL THE TECHNICAL FACTOR IS 80% OF THIS, IT IS ABSOLUTELY THE LEADING INDICATOR HERE.
AND THIS WAS MEANT AGAIN AS A SMALL DIFFERENTIATION, BUT AN IMPORTANT ONE TO SIGNAL THE PRIORITY THAT THE CITY HAD FOR INVESTMENT IN HISTORICALLY DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO IN THE EQUITY OVERLAY OF 20%, UH, THE EQUITY, THE, HANG ON JUST A SECOND.
THE OVERLAY IS 10% AND THE EQUITY PORTION IS 10%.
SO KNOWING, KNOWING THAT, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE I'M SURE ALREADY KNEW THAT, BUT KNOWING THAT CANDACE, DO YOU WANNA TAKE OUT THE EQUITY? I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS JUST SET, SHARED.
UM, BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE 80% DATA WE HAVE, UM, THE UNDER INVESTED AREAS ARE NOT THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO AFFECT BY THIS OVERLAY.
UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALLEYS, UM, MORE THAN 15% OF 'EM ARE IN MY DISTRICT 13, WHICH IS NOT GONNA BENEFIT FROM THE OVERLAYS.
AND SO WHEN WE HAVE MORE THAN TWICE THE EXPECTED AMOUNT IN THERE TO THEN LAY A VERY LARGE, IN MY OPINION, 20% WHEN PCI IS ONLY 30,
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UM, DOESN'T SEEM TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE TO ME CUZ IT ISN'T AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN UNDER INVESTED IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.WHEREAS THERE ARE OTHER CATEGORIES, STREETS, LIGHTS, OTHERS THAT I WILL WHOLEHEARTEDLY AND YOU CAN EVEN CONVINCE ME TO PUT MORE THAN 20% FOR THOSE CATEGORIES.
BUT I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH THIS 20% FOR EVERYTHING.
SO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE STREETS SUBCOMMITTEE AND SO THE OVERLAY WAS DEVELOPED FOR THE ENTIRE BOND PROJECT.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT MAY NOT FEEL LIKE IT FITS PERFECTLY, UM, IN, IN THE ALLEY AREA.
UM, BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME, SOME ARGUMENTS THAT IT IS STILL RELEVANT, BUT IT WAS DEVELOPED FOR THE OVERALL BOND PROJECT TO YOUR POINT.
UM, AND THERE WILL BE AREAS, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THE, THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT SCORE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS AVAILABLE ONLINE AND THERE WILL BE AREAS IN D 13 THAT, THAT DO QUALIFY, UM, THAT DO SCORE RELATIVELY HIGH, UM, INSIDE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL.
SO I AND I THAT MAY NOT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, BUT JUST INFORMATION THAT, THAT MAY BE RELEVANT.
I THINK IT ALSO LOADED ON AGREE WITH IT, IT'S THAT, THAT IT WAS DEVELOPED AS, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ENTIRE BOND, 20% SHOULD BE REALIZED WITH THIS EQUITY OVERLAY.
I'M JUST NOT SURE I AGREE WITH PEANUT BUTTER SPREADING IT ACROSS EVERY COMPONENT OF THE BOND AND THAT EVERY PART OF THE BOND SHOULD GET 20%, MAYBE SOME SHOULD GET 40% OVERLAY AND MAYBE SOME SHOULD ONLY GET 10.
AND THAT WAS A COUNCIL DECISION.
I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU SAID THE HIGHEST LEADERSHIP, WAS THAT A COUNCIL DECISION? DOES ANYBODY KNOW? WELL, WELL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY ADOPTED THE EQUITY PLAN, UH, EQUITY PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN THE CITY.
AND PART OF THE A AGAIN, I MEAN THE 10% FOR EQUITY IS BEING FINALIZED BASED ON WHAT I, UM, DISCUSSED WITH DR.
SO I DON'T THINK IF WE HAVE A FIRM ANSWER HOW IT GONNA APPLY IN THE OVERLAY PROCESS, THE DETAIL OF IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OR WHAT POINTS, 2.1 POINT, WHATEVER.
UM, THERE ARE STILL WORKING ON THAT ONE.
BUT, UM, REGARDLESS, YEAH, IT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
IT WAS THAT WE WANT IT INCORPORATED.
AND THIS WAS A PROPOSAL OF HOW TO DO SO MM-HMM.
BUT IF THERE ARE IDEAS, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEM AGAIN, THE EQUITY PORTION OF THE OVERLAY IS 10% AND THE REST OF THE OVERLAYS ARE 10%.
WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF THAT.
UM, CANDACE, WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSAL THEN? CUZ WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE ON IT HERE.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT THE TOTAL SCORE OF UNAPPROVED ALLEYS IS 80, SO THE EQUITY IS 20%, NOT 10.
AND THEN I LOOK AT THE PRIORITY OVERLAYS, WHICH ARE TWO POINTS EACH, AND THERE ARE FIVE OF THEM.
WHERE IS THAT, WHERE'S THE PRIORITY IN THE UNIMPROVED ALLEYS? WITHOUT SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE UNIMPROVED ALLEYS, WHICH I WILL LET ALI DO.
THE, THE, THE 20 POINTS, 10 OF THOSE ARE FOR EQUITY, 10 ARE FOR THE PRIORITY OVERLAYS.
SO THAT 20 THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THROUGHOUT THE EVENING, THERE'S TWO SUB-COMPONENTS IN THERE THAT ARE BOTH 10 AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ALI HAS ANYTHING TO ADD SPECIFICALLY ON THE, ON THE ALEX? NO, I SAID I THINK YOU SAID IT WELL.
UH, YEAH, 10 PERSON FOR, OR 10 POINTS FOR EQUITY, 10 POINTS FOR OVERLAY.
AND I WANNA ADD PAGES SEVEN AND EIGHT OF WHAT WE GOT TODAY.
SHOW THAT EACH ONE EACH HAS FIVE POINTS AND THOSE ARE TWO POINTS EACH.
AND SO THAT SHOWS YOU THE BREAKDOWN OF THAT 20 POINTS.
SO I GUESS, AND CANDACE, MY PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO TAKE, UM, FIVE POINTS AWAY FROM THE PRIORITY OVERLAY, MAKE THOSE EACH WORTH ONE POINT EACH INSTEAD OF TWO POINTS EACH, AND THEN THE EQUITY IMPACT TO 5% INSTEAD OF 10, WHICH WOULD EFFECTIVELY MAKE THE OVERLAYS 80% OR 10% INSTEAD OF 20, AND THEN RAISE THE PCI BY 10.
SO IF I CAN RECAP, WELL, I DON'T NEED TO RECAP IT.
I THINK EVERYBODY HEARD, UM, JENNIFER, I VOTE NO, I'M GONNA KEEP THE 20 POINTS FOR THE OVERLAY IN FULL.
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CALLS ON THE NEXT CRITERIA, WHICH IS TECHNICAL CRITERIA.I, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO THIS FOR JUST ONE SECOND SINCE THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE ALLEY THING, CUZ IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE ODD, UM, AND YOU HAVE NOT DECIDED WHEN YOU DO DECIDE WHEN YOU LET US KNOW AND EVEN THOUGH IT FAILED.
I, I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT YOUR BEST GUESS WOULD BE ON THAT, BECAUSE I KNOW ALLIE'S IS A, AN ISSUE IN OUR AREA AS WELL.
SO IF I, SO IF I MAY JUST, UM, ADD SOMETHING HERE THAT MIGHT HELP THE UNDERSTANDING FOR CAN THIS, UH, CONCERN, UM, IT IS TRUE THAT, UH, THE OVERLAY IS GONNA HAVE THAT 20 POINTS AND, AND IT'S GONNA APPLY FOR ALL THE ALLEYS.
UH, AS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DATA RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UM, FOR THE 80 POINTS THAT WE HAVE, UM, AND FOR THE CONCERN THAT SHE HAD ABOUT COUNCIL DISTRICT 13, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVING THE HIGHEST NEED, UM, THERE'S ONE POINT TO RECOGNIZE HERE IS THAT THE BUDGET, UH, IS ALSO GOING TO BE, UM, DISTRIBUTED BASED ON NEED OR NEED IS ONE OF THE FACTORS THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING FOR BUDGET DISTRIBUTION, UH, BETWEEN COUNCIL DISTRICT.
AND THAT SHOULD BE, UH, ADDRESSING TO SOME EXTENT THAT CONCERN TO WHERE, UH, UH, THE ALLEYS, FOR EXAMPLE OF DISTRICT 13 FOR THAT SPECIFIC BUDGET THAT SHE, UH, WILL HAVE, OR I MEAN THE COMMUNITY WILL HAVE, IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, THOSE, THOSE ALLEYS ARE GOING TO COMPETE WITHIN THEMSELVES, UH, TO, TO GET THAT BUDGET PORTION.
UM, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CLARIFY HERE, UH, TOO, THAT STILL GONNA GET, EVEN IF THE OVERLAY 20 POINTS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR ONE DISTRICT, IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN THE OTHER WITH THAT PORTION OF BUDGET THAT WE'RE GONNA DISTRIBUTE, UH, BASED ON THE NEED THAT DISTRICT IS GOING TO HAVE, UM, THEIR ALLEYS COMPETING WITHIN EACH OTHER TO MAKE THE TOP PRIORITY LIST.
UH, LET ME UNDER, LET ME UNDERSTAND, I I CAN MAYBE SIMPLIFY THAT THE BUDGET ALLOCATION WILL BE BASED ON THE PERCENTAGE OF THE NEEDS.
THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO SAY.
CANDACE, DID YOU HEAR THAT? I DID.
AND I'M, THAT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THAT.
THAT'S SUPPOSED SOLVES YOUR PROBLEM.
ACTUALLY THIS IS THE TOPIC THAT, THAT WE'RE GONNA COVER IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.
AND WE WE'RE GONNA GO, UH, DEEP, I MEAN DIVE DEEPER ON THAT ONE.
THAT KIND OF MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO PORSCHE FOR JUST A SECOND.
OH, DO YOU WANT ME TO TALK? OH, SO, OKAY.
I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, UM, I THINK ALI SAID THAT, THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T THAT MUCH OF A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE NUMBERS IN PCI OF STREETS IN ALLIE'S.
IS ANY OF THOSE CRITERIA, DO ANY OF THOSE ONE CRITERIA JUMP OUT TO DISTINGUISH ONE ALLEY FROM ANOTHER? WELL, UM, I NEED TO CLARIFY THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW DIFFERENT ARE THE PC, I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD, ALL THE ALLEYS THAT WE HAVE, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFERENT THEY ARE.
THEY ARE DIFFERENCE EVEN THOUGH IF IT'S ONE POINT OR TWO POINT OR IS THE MARGIN IS VERY MINIMAL.
I GUESS THE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL SCORE IS WHAT IT COUNTS, RIGHT? THE COMBINATION OF PCI, UH, FOR ALL PCI, UM, RARE ENTRY, YOU KNOW, SANITATION PICKUP AND ALL THESE THINGS.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTAL SCORES.
YOU OKAY, WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 78 AND 79 AND ALL THESE THINGS? SO ANY OF THOSE ONE, ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA REALLY DOESN'T DISTINGUISH, YOU DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF VARIABLES IN ANY OF THESE CRITERIA.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN EVERY CATEGORY TO SEE HOW, BECAUSE THE WAY WE DO IT IS THAT WE DON'T SCORE ONE FACTOR AT A TIME BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE A LOT OF TIME FOR US TO DO THAT.
BUT WE SCORE ALL THE CRITERIA, ALL THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA COME UP WITH THE TOTAL SCORE.
SO BASED ON THE TOTAL SCORE, THEN WE GONNA RECOMMEND THE TOP PRIORITIES.
UM, BUT YEAH, WE, IF THE DESIRE IS TO LOOK AT HOW IT GONNA AFFECT, WE CAN PROBABLY PRACTICE THAT EXERCISE.
SEE, WE CAN GET SOME ANSWER FOR YOU.
MATH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF TIMES THAT NEED, NEED INVENTORY JUMPS OUT CUZ WE GOT ANY CHANCE? WELL, ANYTHING CAN, ANYTHING CAN, WHEN, WHEN, WHEN THERE, WHEN WE ARE COMPARING TWO THINGS OR, OR SEVERAL THINGS, THINGS ARE BECOMING RELATIVE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE ARE COMPARING
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BASED ON SOME CERTAIN, BASED ON ALL THE SAME CRITERIA FOR ALL THE ALLEYS.WE, IF WE ARE COMPAR COMPARING TWO ALIS AND THEY ARE, UH, KIND OF SIMILAR IN THE PCI, THEN THE NEXT FACTOR, IF THEY ARE DIFFERENT, UH, IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? THIS IS THE, I GUESS THE METHODOLOGY OF IT.
AND IF EVERYTHING IS THE SAME, THEN WHAT NUMBER YOU SEE AT THE END IS THE SAME AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SOME NUMBERS ARE THE SAME.
AND IT COULD BE A COMBINATION OF, YOU KNOW, ONE, UH, CRITERIA IS HIGHER, THE OTHER CRITERIA IS LOWER, BUT IN OVERALL THE TOTAL WILL BE THE SAME ANYWAYS.
BUT AGAIN, YEAH, WHEN WE COMPARE THINGS TOGETHER, IF UM, ANY CRITERIA IS DIFFERENT, THEN IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR THE TOTAL SCORE.
ARE THERE ANY MORE CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS YOU WOULD TAKE TO VOTE? MA'AM, IT'S TIME TO VOTE.
WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON? UH, UH, UNIMPROVED? OH, FOR THAT ONE? NO.
WHAT IS YOUR VOTE? FINE WITH ME? NO, NO CHANGES.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT WHILE I WAS GONE, YOU'RE VOTING ON THE UNIMPROVED ALLEY CONSTRUCTION CRITERIA.
CANDACE HAS VOTED, HAS MORA VOTED? YEAH.
SO THOSE WERE TWO YESES TO GET RID OF THE, OF THE OVERLAYS.
WAS THAT IT? I'M SORRY, I WASN'T IN HERE.
SO NO, I THINK WE SAID WE COULD LEAVE IT AS AS NO CHANGE.
SO, OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO THERE'S NO CHANGE ON THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR UN UNIMPROVED ALLIES, RIGHT? OKAY, GOTCHA.
CANDACE, JUST BY, I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF THOSE IN YOUR DISTRICT? YEAH, WE, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR TOTAL NEEDS INVENTORY, IT'S NEARLY 200 MILLION JUST FOR ALLS.
UM, I'M JUST GONNA NOTE THIS REAL QUICK.
AND PEOPLE USE THEM FOR REAR ACCESS.
THE GARBAGE TRUCKS GET STUCK IN 'EM, IT'S A DISASTER, RIGHT? MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT MORE, A LOT OF THE UNAPPROVED ALLEYS PERHAPS ARE IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE CITY, BUT HAVING GROWN UP, UH, IN, IN DISTRICT WHAT IS WELL ANYWAY, UH, IN THAT AREA, UM, I I REALIZE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF UNIMPROVED ALLEYS.
JENNIFER SENT US A PRESENTATION SOMEBODY HAD PUT TOGETHER FOR THEIR ALLEY IN A DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
AND WHEN I SAW THE PICTURES OF IT, I THOUGHT WE WOULD KILL FOR AN ALLEY LIKE THAT
WE HAVE ONLY GOT, UH, TWO MORE, UM, UH, UH, CATEGORIES TO GO THROUGH.
ONE IS SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT AND THE OTHER ONE IS BRIDGE REPAIR.
WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT A LITTLE BIT, BUT, SO LET'S GO TO SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT REAL QUICKLY.
DOES ANYBODY WANT TO CHANGE THE POINTING THE POINT SYSTEM ON THE SIDEWALKS? JENNIFER, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA CHANGE ANYTHING, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION SINCE THIS SHOWS THE MAXIMUM POINTS AT 100 INSTEAD OF 80, AND I SEE THAT THE EQUITY INDEX.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS THAT THE SAME AS THE EQUITY ASSESSMENT SCORE? AND WHAT ABOUT THE PRIORITY OVERLAYS? WHEN WE DID THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS BEFORE ANY OTHER THING THAT IT WAS APPROVED IN THE CITY, EVEN BEFORE EQUITY PLAN, RIGHT? SO, UM, THE VISION WAS TO IDENTIFY ALL THE SIDEWALKS THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, ANALYZING THE DATA THAT WE HAVE.
SO, UH, SINCE THE SIDEWALK IS ACTUALLY TAKING THE, UM, I GUESS PLACES OR A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION, TAKING THE SAFETY, TAKING THE EQUITY AND ALL THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION, THAT'S WHAT WE, UH, CAP IT AT A HUNDRED BECAUSE ALL THOSE FACTORS ARE ALREADY A PART OF IT, SO WE DON'T WANNA CHANGE.
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YOU.AND I DON'T HAVE ANY CHANGES TO IT.
IS ANYBODY MORA? SO MY QUESTION IS, IT'S INTERESTING THIS ON THE SIDEWALKS, THERE'S NO KIND OF PCI GOOD POINT.
HOW DO YOU ADDRESS A RIGHT? WHAT, WHAT WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY COLLECT THE DATA, UH, PCI FOR THE SIDEWALK.
I, I HAVE TO VERIFY THAT IF WE HAVE PCI FOR SIDEWALK NOW, BUT I GUESS WHAT WE DID WAS THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT IT'S MISSING SIDEWALK.
BASICALLY THERE'S NO SIDEWALK AND THERE ARE AREAS IN THE TOWN THAT THEY HAVE SIDEWALK, BUT, UH, REQUIRES MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? I GUESS SOMETHING ON THE SIDEWALK THAT I ALSO HAVE TO MENTION, AS YOU ALL KNOW, CITY OF DALLAS HAS AN ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAINTAIN THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT.
HOWEVER, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO, UH, ADVOCATE AND WE ARE TRYING TO DEDICATE MORE MONEY TOWARDS WHAT SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT WHENEVER WE CAN E EVEN THROUGH A BOND PROGRAM OR CYBORG MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE AS A GENERAL FUND, WE ARE ALSO SPENDING SOME MONEY ON THE CYBER IMPROVEMENT ON THE YEARLY BASIS.
SO REGARDLESS, I GUESS WE ARE DOING THAT TO MAKE SURE IF THEY ARE MISSING, WE'RE GONNA CONNECT THEM IF, UH, THERE ARE SOME SORT OF, UH, MAINTENANCES REQUIRED BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND THE SIDEWALK MAYBE, UH, IN THE A HUNDRED FOOT SIDEWALK, MAYBE TWO PANELS ARE WRONG OR BROKEN, THEN THE HAVING A P C I FOR THAT SEGMENT OF THE SIDEWALK IS KIND OF HARD TO JUSTIFY, HARD TO ANALYZE.
AND IT, IT, IT IS BASED ON THE MISSING OR THE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT OF THE SIDEWALK.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SIDEWALK, THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE ARE ALSO, UH, LOOKING INTO IT SUCH AS, I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE HEARD OF IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EXCESS SALES TAX THAT WE'RE RECEIVING FROM DART, UH, THAT PART OF IT GOES TO THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN AND REPLACEMENT OF THE ADA RAMPS.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UH, PART OF THE MONEY.
UM, JUST WANNA UM, PUT IT OUT THERE FOR YOU ALL.
UM, SO SINCE SEVERAL SECTIONS OF THE SIDEWALKS ARE COVERED OR ARE PROPERTY OWNER, UM, PAID FOR, DOES THE BOND COVER ANY SIDEWALKS THAT ARE OWNED BY PRIVATE PROPERTY? UM, THE BOND HAS, WE HAVE ALLOCATED SOME MONEY FOR, UH, OUR COST SHARE PROGRAM, THE 50 50 AND THE SENIOR CITIZEN REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.
AND THIS IS BASED ON OUR HISTORIC DATA THAT WE HAVE THAT HOW MANY WE, BECAUSE THIS IS BASED ON, UH, THIS IS ON DEMAND SERVICE, RIGHT? CITIZENS ARE REQUESTING THAT AND WE ARE PROVIDING THAT SERVICES, BUT BASED ON THE HISTORIC DATA THAT WE HAD, WE ALLOCATED SOME MONEY FOR THAT COST SHARE PROGRAM THAT'S, UH, TOWARD THE BOND PROGRAM.
AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON THE IMPROVEMENT CRITERIA, NUMBER SIX, ACTIVITY AREAS THAT ARE BASED ON THE HEAT MAP.
IT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? I GUESS MY GENERAL QUESTION IS IT, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE USING HEAT MAP TO SEE WHERE THERE'S HIGH ACTIVITY BUT NOT ENOUGH SIDEWALK INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, KIND OF LIKE THAT, THAT THE HEAT MAP IS COMING ACTUALLY FROM DALLAS STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN AND IT'S UH, THERE'S A HEAT MAP ON THE DALLAS STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN THERE.
UM, I BELIEVE I'VE SEEN IT ON THE WEBSITE AND I THINK THAT WAS THE FACTOR THAT IT WAS CONSIDERED HERE.
AND I DON'T, I HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THE ACTUAL ANSWER AND WHAT THAT HEAT MAP IS OR WAS.
I DON'T REMEMBER TO BE HONEST.
CUZ I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS, UM, IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S MEASURED, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT THE DATA IS COLLECTED OF THE HEAT MAP.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS IF IT IS BASED ON ACTIVITIES IS PEOPLE AREN'T LIKELY TO WALK OR RUN IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALK THERE.
SO WHAT'S GENERATING THE HEAT FOR THE ACTIVITY? HOW HAS THAT MEASURED? BECAUSE 30 POINTS IS A SIGNIFICANT, UH, AMOUNT OF POINTS TO BE ADDED WHEN WE HAVE OTHER THINGS LIKE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, WHICH IS ONLY AT A 10.
I NEED TO GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT ONE, BUT CATHERINE, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? BECAUSE, UH, KEEP IN MIND THIS, UH, IN PRINCESSES WHEN IT SAYS DS, UH, MP IS NOT DALLAS SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, IT IS ACTUALLY DALLAS STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN.
OKAY? SO IT'S CONFUSING BUT GO PLEASE.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S RELATED TO SHORT TRIP DENSITY.
SO AREAS WHERE THERE ARE SHORT TRIPS THAT COULD MORE FEASIBLY BE DONE BY WALKING, UM, IT'S BASICALLY LIGHTING UP THOSE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TAKING SHORTER TRIPS AND THEREFORE ARE MORE IN NEED OF SIDEWALKS IN ORDER TO MAKE SAID SHORT TRIPS BY WALKING.
OKAY, SO THOSE, THOSE WHAT QUALIFIES AS THE SHORT TRIP? IS IT NEAR A DART STATION,
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NEAR A GROCERY STORE? NEAR A SCHOOL? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.UM, I KNOW IT COMES FROM THE REGIONAL TRAVEL MODEL, UM, AND I, I DON'T KNOW THE, IF IT'S RELATED TO TIME OR DISTANCE AND WHAT THAT SPECIFIC MEASURE IS, UM, IT'S SET BY THEM.
SO I'D HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT FOR YOU.
AND ON THE DEFINITION OF PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ON THIS ONE, UM, IS THAT MEASURED BY FATALITIES INJURIES? UH, THE, WAS IT ON THE BIKE PLAN? THEY HAVE AT THE STRESS, LIKE A STRESS INDEX, A PERCEIVED SAFETY STRESS INDEX.
UM, OH, LTS LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STRESS, RIGHT? AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SIDEWALK'S SHORT AND IF IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO CARS GOING, THERE'S NO, UM, THERE'S NO LANDSCAPING STRIP OR SEPARATED, YOU KNOW, IT'S HIGH STRESS AREA.
WELL IT SAYS ON THAT PAGE 23 OF THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN THAT THESE AREAS WERE DERIVED BY USING THE EXISTING SIDEWALK SYSTEM, HIGH INJURY NETWORK AND, UM, SUPERIMPOSING ALL PEDESTRIAN FATALITY AND INJURIES IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY AREAS THAT SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED FOR IMPROVEMENT BASICALLY.
SO THEN THE, THE MAIN QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR THIS PAGE IS THE PEDESTRIAN STUFF SAFETY RECEIVING 10 POINTS IN THE ACTIVITY AREAS RECEIVING 30, WOULD THAT BE BETTER AT 2020? OR IS THAT NEGLIGIBLE AT THIS POINT IN THE BIG PICTURE OF HOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE HAVE GOTTEN HERE SO FAR? YEAH, I THINK, UH, SAFETY, I MEAN ONE COMPONENT OF THE SAFETY THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS, UM, WHERE IS THAT THE SCORE FOR, UM, SAFETY.
OKAY, NUMBER THREE THAT WE HAVE 10 POINTS, RIGHT? I GUESS OTHER COMPONENT OF THIS ONE ALSO COULD BE A PART OF SAFETY TOO, SUCH AS NUMBER SIX, FOR EXAMPLE, ACTIVITY AREAS, RIGHT? OR, UM, EVEN PLACES OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION HAVE SOME COMPONENT OF SAFE.
BUT YEAH, IF THE, THE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR CYBER MASTER PLAN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CHANGE ANY, UM, POINTS TO BE HONEST AT THIS POINT BECAUSE, UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY ON THE S MASTER PLAN TO IMPROVE THE STREETS, UH, BECAUSE CYBER MASTER PLAN IDENTIFIED 12 FOCUS AREA IN THE CITY.
AND OUR GOAL IS TO FINISH ALL THOSE FOCUS AREAS, UH, SPEND MONEY AND COMPLETE ALL THE IMPROVEMENT IN THOSE FIRST AND THEN MOVE TO THE HIGH PRIORITY, RIGHT? SINCE THIS IS THE, I GUESS THE PUBLICATION THAT WE HAVE AND ANY CHANGE, WE SHOULD AMEND THIS PUBLICATION IN ORDER TO GET THE NEWEST SCORES FOR THE SIDEWALK.
AND, UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, PROBABLY WE NEED TO HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT AGAIN, CUZ THAT CONTRACT HAS ALSO EXPIRED.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT TO SEE HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY CHANGE ANY.
WELL THEN FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS ONE, I DON'T SEE ANY CHANGES.
I, I DO THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING IT SO I CAN EXPLAIN IT.
UM, MARA OR CANDACE? I'M OKAY.
SIDEWALKS AREN'T OUR THING UP HERE.
I DO WANNA ADDRESS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF ME EARLIER.
UM, IF AN AREA HAS NO SIDEWALKS, AND THEREFORE WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS IT, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, BUT THERE IS A, UM, IT'S IN AN AREA, UH, THAT, THAT HAS ORTHODOX JEWS IN IT AND THEY WALK ON SATURDAYS TO SERVICES AND NOW THEY HAVE TO WALK OUT IN THE STREET.
UM, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? UM, I APOLOGIZE IF I WASN'T CLEAR.
NO, WE DO ADDRESS THE MISSING SIDEWALKS, UH, IN THE FOCUS AREA THAT IT WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.
UH, THOSE FOCUS AREAS, THEY HAVE MISSING SIDEWALKS ALSO.
THEY HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT ARE EXISTING, BUT THEY NEED IMPROVEMENT.
SO BOTH OF THEM ARE BEING ADDRESSED AS A PART OF THAT, UH, IDENTIFIED ZONE BASICALLY.
SO WE WILL SEE THOSE THAT HAVE MISSING SIDEWALKS.
BUT HOW YOU SCORE THOSE MISSING SIDEWALKS IS OF OF CONCERN BECAUSE ARE YOU TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING TO WALK OUT IN THE STREET? ABSOLUTELY.
RELIGIOUS HOLIDAYS? WELL, ABSOLUTELY.
AGAIN, THE FIRST FACTOR THAT WE HAVE, WHICH WE SAY PLACES A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION IS ONE OF THEM.
PROXIMITY TO SCHOOLS, PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC FACILITIES, PROXIMITY TO VERY DART, FOR EXAMPLE, FACILITIES AND ALL THESE THINGS, RIGHT? THESE ARE THE AREA THAT PEOPLE WALK THE MOST.
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AND, UM, THAT GETS 20 POINTS OUT OF THE ALL THE HUNDRED POINTS, BASICALLY.SO THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT.
SO WE WILL SEE THAT, UM, THAT IN THE, IN THAT SCORING.
WELL I'LL BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT.
CAUSE I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
UM, CHAIR COOP, BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE CUTOFF IS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND WHAT PROJECTS MAKE THE CUT, MOST OF THEM ARE FOCUS AREAS, NOT MISSING PROJECTS.
MOST OF THE MISSING PROJECTS DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE CUT.
THE FOCUS AREA HAS MISSING AND HAS EXISTING, I DON'T KNOW THE PERCENTAGE OF IT.
BUT IT HAS BOTH OF THEM FOR SURE.
MA, SO WHAT IF A PARTICULAR AREA THAT DOES NOT HAVE SIDEWALKS AND IS NOT IN A FOCUS AREA? UH, THE TOTAL NEED FOR MISSING SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS MORE THAN 1 BILLION.
SO I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE A LOT OF MISSING SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE THAT'S THERE ARE OUTSIDE OF THAT FOCUS AREA BECAUSE THE FOCUS AREA THAT THE BUDGET, UH, OR THE COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT BASED ON THE PREVIOUS BUDGET, IT'S A LOT HIGHER RIGHT NOW, BUT, BUT IT WAS $30 MILLION.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BILLION DOLLARS OF MISSING SIDEWALKS.
I'M PRETTY SURE THERE ARE MISSING SIDEWALKS OUTSIDE OF THE FOCUS AREA.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS TO SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS OR ANY CHANGES TO IT? OKAY.
UM, THIS IS THE LAST, UM, AREA THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS TONIGHT AND THEN I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS TO MAKE ON PROCESS GOING FORWARD, BRIDGE REPAIR AND MODIFICATION CRITERIA.
UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FIVE COMPONENTS TO BRIDGE COMPARE, UH, REPAIR? THIS IS CANDACE.
MY ONLY COMMENT WAS I FELT LIKE AT THE LAST MEETING, THE BRIDGES THAT ARE MAKING THE BUDGET ARE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE IN THE BUDGET FOR SAFETY REASONS.
IS THAT STILL A CORRECT UNDERSTANDING? UH, WE PRIORITIZE ALL THE BRIDGES THAT WE HAD THAT THEY ARE IN NEEDS OF IMPROVEMENT AND AS YOU KNOW, THE COST OF BRIDGE REPLACEMENT IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
AND, UH, THE, AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE BRIDGES LATER ON AS A BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR IT ON THE NEXT PRESENTATION ALSO.
BUT, UM, I GUESS WE IDENTIFY FOUR OR FIVE BRIDGES, UH, SO FAR THAT IT CAN ACTUALLY BE A PART OF THE NEXT BOND PROGRAM.
HOWEVER, WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY FROM, UH, EITHER FEDERAL AS PART OF THE GRANTS OR WORKING WITH TECHSTAR, THE STATE TO FUND THE BRIDGES.
WE ALSO HAVE SOME GENERAL FUND ON THE YEARLY BASIS FOR BRIDGE, UH, MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.
THOSE ARE THE REPAIRS, NOT NECESSARILY THE REPLACEMENT, BUT THE REPLACEMENT COST.
SINCE THIS IS SIGNIFICANT, WE PLACE IT UNDERNEATH ON THE BOND PROGRAM.
UM, BECAUSE MY THOUGHT WAS AROUND THE ALLOCATION BRIDGES ARE GETTING A GREATER PERCENTAGE THAN THEIR NEED REPRESENTS, AND I ASSUME THAT WAS JUST BECAUSE WE HAD TO DO IT.
YEAH, THE, ACTUALLY THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE ALLOCATING FOR IS PRETTY MINIMAL.
UM, WE'RE ONLY, AGAIN, SINCE THE COST OF THE BRIDGE IS PRETTY HIGH, UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN FOUR OR FIVE BRIDGE WILL PROBABLY COST 60 MILLION I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UM, BUT UH, AGAIN, IF AT THE TIME THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THAT 485 MILLION WOULD BE THE, UH, MONEY FOR US, 60 MILLION IS NOT, UM, MAJORITY OF THE COST THAT GOES TO THE BRIDGE.
SO I, WE THOUGHT 60 FOR THE FIRST FOUR BRIDGE IS PRETTY, UH, REASONABLE, UH, COMPARED TO THE CONDITION OF THOSE BRIDGES ANYWAYS.
ANYWHERE MORE QUESTIONS ON BRIDGES SCENE? NONE.
THERE ARE NO, UM, WE HAVE CONSENTED ON THAT PORTION OF THE PROJECTS.
UM, I JUST WANNA THROW THIS OUT THERE, UH, FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
MANY OF YOU GOT, AND I KNOW EVERYBODY GOT THE ALLOCATION SUMMARY THAT WE WENT OVER LAST, UH, AT OUR LAST REGULAR MEETING.
AND IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE ORIGINAL SCENARIO PRESENTED WAS, WHICH WAS WHAT THE FIRST COMMITTEE, WHAT WE HEARD IN THE FIRST COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE HAD.
THEN THEY ASKED THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR FEEDBACK AND THAT WAS THE SECOND COLUMN.
AND I'M SORRY IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A, UH, COPY FOR EVERYBODY, BUT I'M JUST TEEING THIS UP CUZ WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT
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AT THE NEXT MEETING.THEN THE THIRD COLUMN WAS THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST.
AND THE FOURTH, FOURTH ONE WAS A POSSIBLE SCENARIO BASED ON THE COUNSEL FEEDBACK.
UM, I AM THINKING ABOUT, UH, PERHAPS ASKING STAFF WHEN THEY DO HAVE, UM, ALL THE, ALL THE STREETS AND ALL THE DATA AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING TO DRAW A LINE AT.
AND THE ORIGINAL SCENARIO IS 485 MILLION.
THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK WAS 400 MILLION AND THE DEPARTMENT REQUEST REQUEST WAS 520.
WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IS HAVING THEM DRAW A LINE, A VISUAL LINE AT EACH ONE OF THOSE SO WE CAN SEE WHERE OUR PROJECTS AND OUR DISTRICT FALL.
SO, BECAUSE I DON'T, UH, THE LAST MEETING THAT I WENT TO OVER THE LARGER COMMITTEE, I TOLD THE CHAIR THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THEM.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT.
IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, MAYBE YOU DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE ORIGINAL SCENARIO, JUST LET ME KNOW.
BUT LET ME KNOW BEFORE THE MEETING SO THAT WE CAN, OR LET STAFF KNOW BEFORE THE MEETING SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
BUT RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND ASK STAFF TO GIVE US THOSE, UH, THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS SO THAT WE'LL KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR PROJECTS LIE AND GIVE IT TO US DISTRICTS.
HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO THE COMMENT EARLIER THAT THEY'RE GONNA, THE TOTAL NEED DECIDES HOW MUCH EACH DISTRICT GETS? THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE MM-HMM.
I DON'T KNOW CUZ I DON'T, CUZ I DON'T KNOW, UH, HOW IF IT WAS SAY I'M JUST GONNA TAKE THE 485, IF YOU SEE THAT YOUR DISTRICT UNDER THE 485 MILLION ONLY GETS 10%, BUT, UH, IF, IF YOU SEE THAT IF WE ADD MORE MONEY TO IT, IT GETS 15%, THEN THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU, YOU CAN ACKNOWLEDGE AND DETERMINE IF THAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT YOU WANT OR NOT.
DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CANDACE? MAYBE YOU DIDN'T.
NO, BECAUSE WHAT I UNDERSTOOD EARLIER WAS THAT THE AMOUNT EACH DISTRICT WAS GONNA GET WAS GONNA BE BASED ON THEIR NEED.
AND THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT A PRIORITIZED LIST OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE ALL THE DISTRICTS IN IT, CAN YOU REALLY DRAW A LINE ON IT? MM-HMM.
EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT GETS A MINIMUM AMOUNT.
I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS TO, WAYS TO DO THIS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THROW THEM ALL OUT THERE AND GET THE STAFF THINKING ABOUT IT.
EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER GETS A MINIMUM AMOUNT.
AND THEN WE WORK FROM THERE ON THE REST OF THE, UH, SAY EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER GETS, YOU KNOW, $20 MILLION AND FROM THERE THEY WORK ON THE PRIORITY NEEDS LIST.
OR AS YOU'RE SAYING CANDACE, THAT UH, IN THE CASE OF THE ALLEYS THAT WE WORK OFF, ABSOLUTELY THE THE, UM, UH, THE HIGHEST NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, WHICH ARE IN YOUR, IN YOUR DISTRICT.
SO I JUST WANT YOU TO GIVE YOUR BEST GUESS TO THE STAFF BEFORE WE START THIS KNOWING THAT THAT IS THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE NEXT TIME.
I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING'S WRITTEN IN STONE, I JUST NEED TO HAVE SOME FEEDBACK.
STAFF NEEDS STAFF THE FEEDBACK.
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO WEIGH IN RIGHT NOW ON WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE? UH, STAFF, CAN YOU PUT INTO A LETTER TO THE, UH, COMMITTEE MEMBERS IF THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DISCUSSING? THE NEXT IT'S WHAT IS IT? IS THAT THE 17TH MEETING? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DISCUSSING ON THE 17TH? YES MA'AM.
I'M, WE'RE ALSO PUT IN THERE NOT ONLY THE NEEDS LIST, BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO COME TO A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND PUT OUT SEVERAL SCENARIOS FOR US.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REPLY TO, INCLUDING WHAT KANSAS IS SAYING.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.
AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION ITEMS EARLY AND THEN ALSO IN THAT LETTER TO THEM, UH, SAY IF YOU'VE GOT ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON HOW YOU'D LIKE TO DO IT, UH, SEND THEM TO THE STAFF RIGHT AWAY SO THAT WE CAN GET EVERYTHING OUT ON THE TABLE AS EARLY AS WE CAN, AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
CANDACE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS BESIDES THE ALLEYS THAT YOU SEE, UM, THAT ARE PARTICULARLY OF INTEREST? I THINK THAT'LL BE, NO, I THINK THAT'LL BE A REALLY HELPFUL CONVERSATION BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED, LIKE OUR DISTRICT FEELS PASSIONATELY ABOUT ALLEYS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWALKS, BUT WE DON'T WANNA BE PRIORITIZED FOR SIDEWALKS.
SO I THINK IT'LL BE A HELPFUL CONVERSATION AROUND, EVEN IF WE HAVE NEEDS THERE, THAT'S NOT WHERE THE, THE DEMAND IS FOR THE LIMITED FUNDS WE HAVE.
SO I THINK THAT'LL BE A GOOD CONVERSATION WHERE PEOPLE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT DOES THEIR DISTRICT WANT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE NEEDS IN ALL THE AREAS.
IT'S INTERESTING CUZ THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE
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LIST, THE PRIORITY LIST OF EVERYTHING AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY WHAT FALLS INTO SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES AS FAR AS DOLLAR AMOUNTS, WHICH WOULD BE INTERESTING.IT'LL BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO HAVE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE, EXCUSE ME? YEAH, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED.
WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CUTOFFS AND, AND BY DISTRICT, I, I WAS KIND OF ASSUMING THAT THE NEEDS LIST WAS GONNA BE LIKE YOU, WHAT YOU'VE SHOWN US IN SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF EXCEL SPREADSHEETS, THAT IT HAS ALL OF THE DISTRICTS COMBINED TOGETHER AND THAT THE CUTOFFS WOULD OCCUR AT SOME POINT NO MATTER WHAT DISTRICT.
THAT THAT IS TRUE, BUT WE WANNA DO IT BY DISTRICT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF HAD ORIGINALLY INTENDED JUST TO LOOK, I'M GONNA TAKE AN EXAMPLE OF, OF OF FAR NORTH DALLAS, THEY MAY NOT HAVE AS MANY STREET NEEDS BECAUSE THEIR STREETS ARE, ARE, UM, NEWER, RIGHT.
BUT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS KIND OF WHAT CANDACE WAS POINTING OUT, IS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MANY OF THEIR STREETS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM MAKE THE CUTOFF IN THEIR DISTRICT AND PERHAPS BE ABLE TO, UM, UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S, UH, SOME TYPE OF EQUITY AND FUNDING, UM, UH, BY DISTRICT.
NOW I THINK THE EQUITY AND FUNDING IS GONNA COME FROM THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE GIVE EACH, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER.
I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU USE YOU EVEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, UM, YEAH, MY QUESTION, MY THING, MY THING WAS JUST GIVE US A PRIORITY LIST, BUT GIVE IT TO US BY DISTRICT TOO.
THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANYTHING IN YOUR DISTRICT FOR A PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT.
SO, UH, ARE EACH OF THESE CATEGORIES GONNA BE SEPARATED OR ARE ALL THE NEEDS GONNA BE PUT TOGETHER, WHETHER IT'S A SIDEWALK, AN ALLEY, A RESURFACING, OR OH, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE GONNA BE SEPARATED.
IS THAT THE CASE? WELL, UM, FOR PUBLIC WORKS, AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST SPEAKING FOR PUBLIC WORKS.
WHAT WE INTENDED TO DO FOR THE NEXT PRESENTATION WAS TO, UH, PROVIDE THE NEEDS, UH, LIST FOR THE STREETS AND UH, WE ALREADY PROVIDED THE ALLEYS AND SIDEWALK IS ALREADY THERE.
SO THE ONLY THING MISSING AT THIS POINT IS THE STREETS.
UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE DATA FOR YOU FOR STREETS ALSO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SCENARIOS ON BUDGET ALLOCATION.
WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU THE 485 FOR EXAMPLE, IF THAT'S A NUMBER, UM, HOW MUCH YOU'RE GONNA GET OUT OF 485, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY STREETS OR HOW MANY ALLEYS OR HOW MANY SIDEWALKS OR BRIDGES YOU'RE GONNA GET.
SO YOU'RE GONNA ALLOCATE THAT BUDGET TO EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES.
AND ALSO WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE PER DISTRICT, AND FOR EXAMPLE IN DISTRICT, UH, 10, WE'RE GONNA SAY IF YOU HAVE $2 MILLION, THEN TO $2 MILLION GONNA BE 10 STREET FOR EXAMPLE, OR TWO ALLEYS OR THIS AND THAT.
BUT THEN NOW WE HAD HAVE TO ADD THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE, WHICH IS PROJECT RELATED, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF OUR NEEDS ARE.
AND THAT COMES OUTTA THAT 400 MILLION, RIGHT? NO, 485 WAS ONLY DECIDED FOR, UH, PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT.
THE STREET AND ALLEYS AND BRIDGES AND SIDEWALKS.
THE, THE ALLOCATED MONEY FOR TRANSPORTATION IS DIFFERENT.
I THINK THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ALLOCATED 50 MILLION.
UM, UM, BUT, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH THE SAME SCENARIO THEN.
WHETHER IT'S A STOPLIGHT OR A, I MEAN ULTIMATELY IT'S ALL ONE PROPOSITION WHY CONVERSATION CAN'T HAPPEN HERE.
IT IS OR ISN'T ONE PROPOSITION.
SO, AND TRANSPORTATION, RIGHT.
SORRY JENNY, IF I MAY, UM, I THINK THERE HAS BEEN TALK OF SEPARATING THE STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION PROPOSITION, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER.
AND UM, AND I CAN TALK WITH DR.
PEREZ TOO AND SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY DECISION ON THAT.
BUT I, I KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SEPARATING THOSE PROPOSITIONS, SO, OH, INTERESTING.
THANK, OKAY, SO ONE CLARIFICATION, ALI, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE DOESN'T HAVE THE OVERLAYS BY JULY 17TH.
WILL WE HAVE THAT DATA FOR BRIDGES ALI'S, UM, SIDEWALKS WITH THE OVERLAYS? I GUESS SIDEWALKS ALREADY HAS IT.
UM, SO WHEN WE GET EVERYTHING, I JUST NEED 48 HOURS.
SO HOPEFULLY THE PLAN, I MEAN, SO I MEAN I HEAR YOU THAT YOU WANNA SEE THE OVERLAY.
THE SITUATION IS THAT WE CAN'T APPLY THE OVERLAY UNTIL WE KNOW WHERE THE PROJECT IS, WHICH MEANS WE NEED TO GET THE COMPLETE INVENTORY FROM THE STAFF
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OF THE ENTIRE CITY.SO WHEN WE GET IT, WE NEED 48 HOURS AND WE WILL PUSH IT.
UM, SO MY HOPE IS THAT YOU WILL HAVE IT BY THE 17TH.
THE THING THAT IT IS CONTINGENT UPON IS THAT I AM IN RECEIPT OF THE FULL NEEDS OF INVENTORY FROM STAFF.
AND THEN WE JUST NEED 48 HOURS.
SO MY HOPE IS YES, UH, BUT I CAN'T CONFIRM THAT CUZ I DON'T HAVE THE DATA IN HAND.
SO 48 HOURS FROM TODAY SHE CAN OUT
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT PEOPLE WANT FOR THE NEXT MEETING? CANDACE, THAT WAS A GOOD, A GOOD POINT THAT YOU RAISED.
WAS VERY INTERESTED IN THE OVERLAY.
SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE STREETS NEEDS INVENTORY, THAT'S BEEN A BIG THING, BUT THE TRANSPORTATION ONE DO WE DON'T HAVE THAT ONE YET, RIGHT? IT'S IN THAT NEXT MEETING.
UM, SO TECHNICALLY I THINK IF ALL THE ITEMS, IF THEY WERE TO BE SEPARATED INTO DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS, I THINK TECHNICALLY ALL THE ITEMS UNDER TRANSPORTATION, SO THE SIGNALS, THE QUIET ZONE AND THE STREET LIGHTING HAVE BEEN PRESENTED.
UM, BUT THE THINGS THAT ARE, UH, TYPICALLY MANAGED BY PUBLIC WORKS, SO COMPLETE STREETS, THOROUGH REPAIR PROJECTS, PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS, UM, AND THEN, UH, LIKELY SAFETY PROJECTS, UM, HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED YET.
SO THOSE WOULD BE AT THE NEXT MEETING AS WELL.
DO YOU WANNA WAIT FOR THOSE OR DO YOU WANT THE ONES THAT HAVE RIGHT NOW, SOON TAKE A LOOK AT? WELL, I MEAN I'VE BEEN LOOKING OUT ON GIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEEING WHAT'S OUT THERE
CAN YOU GIVE IT TO US IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING? UM, WHICH LIST? THE, THE, THE PORTION OF THE LIST THAT INCLUDES THE PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS AND YES.
WELL I COMPLETE STREETS AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
UM, I, I'M WORKING TOWARDS A GOAL OF THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE.
UM, AND SO I'M SURE YOU GUYS ARE TOO, JUST OF TRYING TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO YOU GUYS BEFORE THE MEETINGS.
SO THAT, THAT'S THE NEED, THE NEEDS LIST.
NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT BY COMPLETED.
IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD BE GETTING THE FULL BOTH ALL PROJECTS, ALL NEEDS INVENTORY PROJECTS COMPLETED.
NO, WE'LL JUST WAIT TILL THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER.
DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE ANYTHING.
THE NEXT JULY MEETING WILL BE EVERYTHING ALL TOGETHER.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE BREAK? I WANNA THANK THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
THEY'VE DONE AN AWESOME JOB TODAY BRINGING UP DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY HEARD IN THEIR BOND COMMITTEES.
UM, I THINK THE STAFF HAS A LOT TO THINK ABOUT.
UM, AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT TO THINK ABOUT, ABOUT WHERE WE WANNA PLACE OUR PLACE, THE MONEY THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE CITIZENS AND THE BOND, UM, PROPOSITIONS.
SO THANK YOU ALL AND WE WILL SEE YOU IN MADAM OF CHAIR.
IF, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE WE VOTED ON SOME OF THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA AND WE HAVE TO START IT FROM TOMORROW TO SCORE EVERYTHING.
SO THE NUMBERS THAT THERE WAS NO OBJECTION IS THE FINAL, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'ALL MADE A MOTION AND IF IT, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WAS WHAT, WHAT ONE I'M SURE MY STAFF KNOWS, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA STAY WITH THOSE NUMBERS, RIGHT? I MEAN YES, WE TOOK VOTES ON ALL OF THEM.
THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION OUT OF IT.
UM, SO I THINK, UH, EVERYTHING HAS STAY AS WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THERE WERE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE BROUGHT UP AGAIN.
BUT I THINK THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO ADDRESS THEM IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT VERY CAREFULLY WHEN ON THE ALLOCATION OF MONEY.
ALSO, IF WE WANNA GIVE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR EACH OF THOSE SPECIFIC DIFFERENT, UM, CATEGORIES.
AND THAT MAY, ESPECIALLY IN SIDEWALKS CUZ A LOT OF THE DISTRICTS DON'T HAVE ANY SIDEWALKS NECESSARILY.
I'LL TAKE THE EXTRA SIDEWALKS IN DISTRICT SEVEN.
I'M TRYING TO GET, I'M TRYING OKAY.
THAT WOULD GET YOU SOME, OKAY.
ANYWAY, THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO ADDRESS, I'LL TRADE YOU FOR YOUR ALLEY MONEY.
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OKAY.SEE THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET TO THIS
ANYTHING ELSE THE STAFF NEEDS? THANK YOU MA'AM.