Jul 20, 2023 City Planning Commission

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ITEM? THIS IS YES.

SORRY, MY, IT'S STILL, OH, NO WORRIES.

I, I DON'T NEED TO READ.

ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT ITEM? GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

I'LL START WITH CASE M 28.

THE IS A DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

ITS AROUND 40 ACRES.

COUNCIL DISTRICT 13.

UM, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST CORNER.

PRESTON, UM, AMEND DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO SHOW THE FOOTPRINT OF BUILDING INTO ADD TEMPORARY LOCK DOOR.

UM, HERE, THE AREA PROPERTY SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICT, UM, TO THE CORRIDOR, ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH.

WE HAVE A1 AND THEN R 16.

AND THEN OVER TO THE EAST WE HAVE R 16.

AND THEN OVER SOUTH WE HAVE R 10.

HERE'S THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN.

UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS SUB TO SUB AREAS.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND CASE.

HERE'S THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, HERE'S ENLARGEMENT OF THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

UM, HERE'S THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

HERE'S ENLARGEMENT.

ACTUALLY SHOWING THE AREA OF REQUEST, UM, OVER TO THE WEST.

YOU SEE THE BUILDING THAT WAS DASHED PREVIOUSLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS NOW SHOWN ON THE FOOTPRINT.

AND THEN THE LOCKER ROOM OVER HERE TO THE EAST NORTH, THE SOUTHEAST HERE IS THE EXISTING TMP PLAN.

UH, I DID CALL THE TRANSPORTATION AND THERE BEEN STANDING OF THAT RECOMMENDATION.

QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? NO QUESTIONS.

SHOULD I ASK SOME QUESTIONS? THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION.

IT'S AROUND ACRES DISTRICT LOCATED, UM, THE LOCATED ON EAST CORNER OF PRESTON ROAD AND OREGON LANE.

THE SECOND PAGE PROPERTY IS THREE.

A REQUEST TO A NEW SETTLEMENT PLAN FOR PD SUB B.

AS I STATED EARLIER, PLAN SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO SUB AREAS ON 20.

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UM, SO THE REQUEST IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

DEPICT NEW ATHLETIC, ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FEET.

HEIGHT FEET.

THE THAT'S SQUARE FEET, HEIGHT, FEET, UM, CONFIGURATION OF PARK, PARK SHOW NEW FIRE.

HERE'S THE PROPERTY THAT I STATED EARLIER THAT HAS SURROUNDING ZONING INCREASE.

HERE'S WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT PORTION OF PROPERTY.

AREA B.

HERE IS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE NORTH SIDE.

THAT'S NOT SHADED.

UM, ENLARGEMENT.

HERE'S THE ENLARGEMENT PLAN RIGHT HERE.

UM, YOU SEE THE PARKING WHERE SOME AREA IS LAID OUT.

THAT CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING, UM, WELL, LET'S SAY RIGHT TO THE, OF THE 10TH COURT PAVILION, UM, THAT ARE PROPOSING.

AND THEN RIGHT HERE, EAST OF THE PROPERTY, YOU CAN SEE THE ATHLETIC CENTER.

HERE'S THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL.

AND THAT CONCLUDES PRESENTATION.

HERE'S MANAGEMENT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT ITEM IS, ITS LOCATED A AREA.

IT ALSO HAS ON IT, IT'S FIVE ACRES.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH PO STREET AND WINSTON PLANT.

SO HERE'S SOME DETAILS FOR THE REQUEST.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO ADD TO THE CLASSROOM AND A SHELTER, SORRY, AROUND A 4,800 SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S GONNA BE TWO STORIES.

UM, A CAFETERIA KITCHEN EDITION AROUND 8,300.

THAT'S GONNA BE ONE STORY.

UM, ALSO AT 80 RAMP STAIRS AT, UM, THEY'RE GONNA EXTEND THE PARKING AREA ON THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, THEY'RE GONNA SHOW A NEW PARKING LOT ALONG THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY'RE GONNA EXTEND THE DROP OFF LANE FROM 12 P TO 24.

AND THEY'RE GONNA SHOW EXISTING PLAYGROUND HERE.

THE AREA PROPERTY, UH, NORTH TO THE WEST, WE HAVE R FIVE WITH SALT, WE HAVE P 4 87.

ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARIES WE HAVE P EIGHT 30 AND THEN L TWO.

UH, HERE'S THE EXISTING S SITE PLAN.

HERE'S THE AREA REQUEST, UM, HIGHLIGHTED HERE.

HERE'S THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

HERE'S THE AREA REQUEST HIGHLIGHTED HERE.

YOU CAN SEE THE CAFETERIA OVER HERE TO THE WEST.

AND THEN THE CLASS ONE AND THE STORM KIND CENTER NORTH OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, ALONG THE EAST BOUNDARY, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEY REAR THE PARKING AND THEN ADDED THE TWO LANES TO THE DROP OFF.

UH, LANE, UH, SOUTHWEST, HE RECEIVE THE PARKING LOT AND THEY HAVE, ADJACENT TO THAT IS THE PLAYGROUND THAT THEY'RE ADDING TO THE PROPERTY.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER MR. SAND? UH, YES.

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I DON'T HAVE, I'M HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

UH, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT CASE.

I'M TALKING ABOUT I, THE ONLY THING I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT WAS THE FACT THAT THE CHAIN LINK FENCES WERE FOUR FEET.

I MEAN, IS THAT NORMAL WITH CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUNDS TO BE FOUR FEET? IT SEEMS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD'VE BEEN 60.

UH, IT BEEN IN THE S P LANGUAGE WOULD BE FOUR FEET.

THAT'S WHY SHOWN THAT FOR ME.

SO THE CONDITIONS WERE WRITTEN BE FOUR FEET.

OH, OKAY.

IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A CHILD COULD CLIMB OVER FOUR FEET EASILY.

YES MA'AM.

AS OPPOSED TO SIX FEET.

THE, THIS ROAD IS THE PROPERTY ARE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PROPOSED OBVIOUS SIGNIFICANTLY.

THE MINIMUM FOUR FEET CONDITIONS, RIGHT? YES.

UM, I, SEPTEMBER, UH, FIRST CASE I HAVE TODAY C2 EXPANSION LOCATED MAP SHOWING THE AREA AND SOME MAP SURROUNDING, SURROUNDING DISTRICT NORTH OUTSIDE DEVELOPMENT OF THE EAST.

UH, WHAT WE, AND SO THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY IN AG DISTRICTS, THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO PRE ALLOW

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DISTRICT, UM, OBVIOUSLY SUBSTANTIAL, NO QUESTION.

UM, IS AREA, UM, SO AND FAR AS YOU CAN, 18, UM, THEY WERE ABLE ENGAGE PICTURE, RIGHT? SO YOU SEE THE RESTAURANT IS THROUGH THE SOUTH AND THEN TO THE NORTH AND GAS CLOSE UP GAS CONVENIENCE SITUATION.

UM, AND THE SIDEWALK IS,

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UM, SO, UM, THIS BETTER QUALITY, UM, CARPENTER TABLE NOTE IS THAT WHAT DOCK? SO WENT BACK IS AROUND CONFIRMED BY.

SO THAT'S, OH, CHANGE.

SO YOU SAID IT IS CONFIRMED AT ABOUT 20%.

IT'S UH, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S.

CAUSE I, I REALIZE THAT ALL THESE GAS STATIONS, THE CANNOT BE FOUND TOWARDS THE LOT.

HOW? CAUSE IT'S A ROOF.

SO IT'S NOT JUST THE BUILDING.

SO YES, CONDITIONS ARE REALLY STANDARD.

IT'S JUST THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED A LOT, THEY DID A LOT OF OUTREACH.

THEY SUBMITTED UH, A LOT OF LETTERS IN SUPPORT AND THEY REQUESTED A MENT FOR FIVE YEAR STAFF IS PRETTY NORMAL FOR SAY THIS USE.

WE HAVE TWO YEARS AND THEN FIVE YEARS.

UM, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU.

WE CONFIRMED THAT DON'T SELL ALCOHOL.

AND THEY HAVEN'T, AT LEAST SINCE NOVEMBER, UM, CURRENTLY DID.

SO IN THOUSAND EIGHT UNTIL NOVEMBER.

EXACTLY.

WITHOUT THE, WITH WITHOUT THE MM-HMM.

DID THAT CAUSE CAUSE I WOULD LIKE, UM, WE LET THEM EXPLAIN, UH, ALL THE CHANGING ON THE, UH, THEYLL SAY SOMETHING ABOUT, SO I, I LET THEM EXPLAIN.

UM, DURING MY SITE VISIT, I SAW, I SAW THEM IN THE FRIDGES WHEN THEY SAID NO, WE DIDN'T.

WE WERE NOT DIDN'T.

SO I'M TRYING NOT TO LIKE BE LIKE AN INSPECTOR.

LET ME TRY AND WHILE WERE THERE.

IT WAS JUST, IT WOULD'VE BEEN EAST SOUTH OF THIS LOCATION WHERE I BELIEVE IT SAYS RR ON THE MAP.

BEER TRUCK PULL UP WHILE YOU WERE THERE.

SO IT WAS JUST FOR THE FUTURE, JUST DEMONSTRATING FOR THE FUTURE WHEN THIS GOT APPROVED IS WHY IT WAS IN THE TRUCK.

OKAY, I GOT IT.

AND THEN I ALSO WANTED TO SAY YES, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF CALLS ON THE CRIME STACK AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT I PUT DATA FROM THOUSAND 11 CAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY HAD THE LAST S U AND THAT'S WHEN WE PULLED THE LAST, SO IT'S A LOT OF YEARS.

I WAS LOOKING LAST NIGHT TO SEE, OKAY, HOW MANY CALLS, HOW MANY OFFENSES PER YEAR? IT PRETTY BE LIKE, IT'S NOT 10 USUAL.

SO IF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN, WHEN THEY GO INTO, UM, RENEWALS AND WE TOLD USUALLY DATA FOR THREE YEARS OR TWO YEARS, LIKE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT EVEN LOWER THAN OUR NORMAL.

SO, UM, I KNOW AGAIN, WHEN YOU SEE A THOUSAND CALLS IN, KEEP IN MIND IT'S FROM 2011, IT'S A LOT OF YEARS.

UH, SO WITH THIS UH, RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, FOOTBALL FOR PERIOD, DEVELOP FOR FIVE YEAR PERIOD, SIDELINE CONDITIONS, BRIEF, JUST CORRECTION QUESTIONS.

UH, WE APPROVED THE SCHOOL SOMEWHERE NEAR HERE AND I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER WHERE IT WAS A YEAR AGO ON THE SAME SIDE.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BIT TO THE DOOR.

ON THE SIDE OF THE THIRD.

ON THIS SIDE OF THE THIRD.

YES, I CAN, I CAN LOOK IT UP AND LET YOU KNOW.

YES, YES.

I ASKED FOR FIRST OR WE ASK THEM TO SUBMIT A SURVEY.

OKAY, WELL WE MAY OR MAY NOT BE CLOSING.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT.

OH, ANDREA.

ANDREA, THE CHARTER SCHOOL, IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT MAP, IT'S RIGHT OFF OF UM, HER, MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS' OFFICE OF CHENNEL THAT WE TOOK OFF OF THE PLAN, OFF OF THE THERAPY FAIR PLAN.

OH, SO THAT WOULD BE NOT LIKE SOUTH OF THE,

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NO, THIS, THIS WAS ON BUCKNER.

NO, WE PUT IT'S YEAH, BUT SAYING SOUTH.

SO IT'S, IT'S JUST, JUST EAST OF THIS LOCATION.

CUZ THAT'S BUCKNER NORTH AND SOUTH, CORRECT? YES.

SO THIS WOULD BE, THERE'S CHENAL WHICH IS THAT, THAT ROAD WHERE YOUR ARROW IS? YES.

AND THEY'RE EXTENDING THAT OVER, I GUESS IT'S, IT'S UNDERNEATH THE RR, WHATEVER THAT IS.

SO THERE IS A CHARTER SLOPE UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

OH.

OH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHETHER I WAS GONNA ASK THIS NOT BUT UM, SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THE LAST TIME THEY HAD THE SG WAS 2011? UH, WELL IT WAS A TWO YEAR PLUS FIVE YEAR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL AND THEY KEPT ON THE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS UNTIL THOUSAND 18.

SO THEY EXPIRED IN SEPTEMBER 18TH.

OK.

THAT WAS THE YEAR.

AND SO THEY HAVEN'T HAD ONE SINCE THOUSAND 18 IS WHAT YOU SAID.

I, I GOT THAT.

BUT I GUESS I'M, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, ALTHOUGH WE'RE NOT THE BUSINESS OF PUNITIVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT'S THE INCENTIVE TO GET YOUR S U UH, IF THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS SORT OF BIT PUNITIVE, I MEAN JUST UP, I MEAN BACK OKAY.

GUESS THAT'S OKAY.

I SUPPOSE THAT IT'S NOT AUTO RIGHT.

RIGHT.

I GUESS THAT'S WHAT IT'S, AND THEN I HAVE TO SAY WHAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME IS NOW PUT THIS INTO THE QUESTION.

I HAVE RARELY SEEN LETTERS THAT WERE IN SUPPORT .

YES IT CORRECT THAT THERE WAS A GOOD AGREEMENT COMMUNICATION INDICATED THAT, I'M SORRY, THERE IS THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE SIDE? UH, I WOULD SAY THAT LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAP AND SCHOOL AND IT'S WAY, WAY 30, 50.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS GOING ON? OKAY, NUMBER NINE.

UH, TABLE NUMBER NINE.

MOMENT.

I'M SURE WELL TO BEFORE ACTUALLY YEAH IF YOU WANT UH, ME I CAN DO WHAT CHANGE? THEY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

REQUEST ION OK .

NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THIS.

BUT THIS WAS REMANDED HOWEVER, REMANDED WITH NO RECOMMENDATIONS DURING CHANGES.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT WAS JUST RESTORATION.

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JUST UP TO SAY GOOD MORNING TO COMMISSIONER AND JUST THIS CASE TO POTENTIALLY PROPERTY ZONE RESEARCH DISTRICT AS WELL AS APPLICANT VOLUNTEERED EAST LANE APPROXIMATELY ON THE NORTHWEST OF DALLAS, UH, BY SOUTH BOIL LANE DRIVE.

UM, IT'S MOSTLY, UH, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

HOWEVER THE PROPERTY DOES, UM, P UH, DEVELOPED A MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH AND THEN TO THE EAST.

UM, IT SAYS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD AS I MENTIONED AS THE AREA IS, UM, INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE, OFFICE, SHOWROOM, UM, AND MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH SINGLE.

THE AREA CURRENTLY DEVELOPED B6 1,200 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE.

THE PROPOSED USE IS ONLY PERMIT IN AN ON THE DISTRICT WITH AN S TO ZONING DISTRICT MENTIONED, UH, JURISDICTION VOLUNTEERED, UH, TO THE APPLICANT AND AS MENTIONED CRAIG IS TO K Z 3, 4 4, WHICH IS ITEM 11.

UM, AS, UH, THIS IS UH, THE 10.

THERE USED TO BE A LOCATION OF 1 44 AND THEY'RE NOW MEETING AT THIS LOCATION.

AND UH, SOME UH, PHOTOS OF THE SIDE, UH, TO THE NORTH EAST, UH, TO THE NORTH.

UH, LOOKING NORTHEAST HERE, UH, AS ON THE EAST, UM, ITS SINGLE TO THE EAST.

THE SIDE, UH, TO THE NORTH MEASURE IS MOSTLY WAREHOUSING.

UM, SOUTHWEST TO WEST TO THE WEST AND NORTHWEST TO THE NORTH.

UH, DEVELOPMENT AND NORTHEAST, UM, IR ALREADY IR UM, GOING TO, IM THE ONES HIGHLIGHTED YELLOW ARE THE ACTUAL, UH, THAT THEY ARE VOLUNTEERS, WELL, EQUIPMENT REPAIR, INDUSTRIAL GAPS OUTSIDE NOV YOU THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SEE IT? , IT LOOKS LIKE BRA.

THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS YOUTHFUL EYES, WE'RE GET SOME MUCH LONGER MONITOR, WELL US THEIR LEFTOVER TO REQUEST IT.

IF YOU'RE

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OH WOW.

THE, AND THEN SHOP AND, AND THEN UNDER UTILITY AND PUBLIC SERVICE, THEY'RE ALSO UNDER TREATMENT, WATER TREATMENT AND AUTO OPTION BUILDING STORAGE, YARD, LIVESTOCK, OPTION OF THE STORAGE, AUTO STORAGE AND VEHICLE STORAGE.

AND THEN, UM, AND THEY'RE ALSO X-RAY UNDER THE WHOLE, WHICH ARE CRIMINAL AND BLOOD ALSO.

WHAT WAS THE, AND THE IS 75 THAT GOT, AND THIS IS MENTIONED.

UM, IS THERE ANY EXISTING ONE STORY, UH, WAREHOUSE AND THEN ASK? UM, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE A VOLUNT, UH, SO STAFF APPROVAL FOR AN TESTIMONY, DISTRICT DESCRIPTIONS VOLUNTARY BY THE APPLICANT AND TO APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE FOR AN INDUSTRIAL POTENTIALLY TO, TO YOUR CONDITIONS.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PRECIOUS METAL RECLINING, ASK WHAT THAT ABOUT.

AND PROPERTY.

SO AS MENTIONED, IT'S GONNA BE ONLY INTERIOR THAT THERE, UM, THEY ARE FINDING GOLD OR SUCH AS THAT IS IN A RECYCLING AND RECYCLING THAT, ARE THERE ANY ADMISSIONS FROM THE FACILITY? THEY, NO.

BASICALLY MEL GOLD AND SILVER.

AND HERE, UM, JUST FOLLOWING ON THAT, YOU SAID THAT THEY HAVE TOLD US THIS IS HOW THE USE WERE, I ASSUME THAT THE APPLICANT AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WITH THIS INDUSTRIAL USE MOVING

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CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL ZONE FROM EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES IS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO VERIFY OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS REPRESENTED TO YOU ABOUT HOW ABUSE WORKS? THAT THAT LOCATION IN TERMS OF ANY POTENTIAL COMMISSION YOU'RE GOING BASED ON BLOOD THAT BASICALLY RESTRICT OUT SAMPLE OF USE EXCEPT USES LIMITED SOLELY TO PRECIOUSNESS AND ADDITION.

THEY'VE ALSO VOLUNTARILY RESTRICT OUT RIGHT AREAS.

WE BASICALLY ENSURE THAT THE, UM, USES THAT WOULD BE, UM, I, I, I'M FASCINATED BY THIS USE AND I, I THINK THAT UM, UH, VICE CHAIR HAD SOME GREAT QUESTIONS AND I KNOW THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER HAS DONE ALL FOR DUE DILIGENCE.

WE WOULD NOT ACCEPT LESS FROM HER IN THAT PARTICULAR FIELD, ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE MAKES ME DO THE SAME AMOUNT.

UM, BUT MY QUESTION IS, AND I PROBABLY BE A QUESTION THAT MAY TO HAVE, HAS THERE BEEN ANY TYPE OF RESEARCH DONE TO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT HAS DISCUSS THIS APPLICANT, DO THIS IN ANY OTHER LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS OR EVEN OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DALLAS? DO YOU KNOW THAT IF THEY DO, I, I'M NOT AWARE.

WELL, I HAVE SORT OF THE SAME QUESTION OF CONCERN, ALTHOUGH WE ALL KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, NO ONE GETS IN THE WEEDS MORE THAN SHE DOES, BUT MY QUESTION IS SORT OF LIKE, THIS DOES BRING UP ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USED TO THIS ABUSE.

I MEAN IF YOU'RE SMELTING, WHETHER IT'S INTERNALLY AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA PROTECT THEIR OWN BUSINESS, I'M NOT SAYING THAT, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME SORT OF VENTILATION OR SOME SORT.

AND I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, DO WE KNOW IN THAT KIND INDUSTRY WHAT THAT IS INTO THE AIR? I MEAN, SO WE'RE KINDA GETTING THAT OUTSIDE OF THE REALM FOLKS.

YEAH, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, OK QUESTION, I WOULD BE THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE ON THAT AND SAY, BUT IF WE HAVE A USE LIKE A BATCH PLANT OR WE HAVE A USE OF CONVERTING AN OLD GAS STATION, WE DO TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS, BUT WE'RE CONSIDERING THE LAND USE AS IT'S DEFINED, WHETHER IT'S A BATCH PLAN, WHICH IS OH, I SEE.

WE'RE CONSIDERING THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING WE'RE CONSIDERING.

WELL THE, THIS IS A THREE PART REQUEST.

WE'RE CONSIDERING THE CHANGE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.

WE'RE CONSIDERING THE RESTRICTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER MEMBERS ARE OUTLINED.

UH, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO CONSIDERING AN S ON INDUSTRIAL INSIDE POTENTIALLY COMPATIBLE USE LIMITED TO DEFINING THE PRECIOUS METALS, WHICH IS DEFINED IN THE ONE.

BUT WE ARE DOING, WE ARE HAVING TO APPROVE THE REFINING OF PRECIOUS METALS AS PART OF IT, I GUESS I WOULD SAY.

AND IF THIS PARTICULAR INDUSTRIAL LOCATION WASN'T SO CLOSE TO MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T EVEN BE PROPOSING YES.

I MEAN QUITE HONESTLY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A QUESTION.

THE CITY'S OVERALL EMISSIONS, THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OUR RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I JUST WANT, WANNA MAKE SURE UNDERSTAND THE APPROPRIATE SCOPE OF THE INQUIRY.

YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT AN INDUSTRIAL USE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ITS CARBON EMISSIONS OR SULFUR EMISSIONS AND HOW THEY CONTRIBUTE TO

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BUT IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOME SORT OF EMISSIONS AND THEIR POTENTIAL IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTY, THAT'S WELL SCOPE OF UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THANK SHALL THIS FOR AN IR DISTRICT RESEARCH DISTRICT PROPERTIES DEVELOP MANUFACTURING DISTRICT WITH TWO RESTRICTIONS.

1 1 23 INFORMATION OF 1860.

THIS UNIT IS LOCATED ON THE WEST OF NINTH LANE, SOUTH LANE, NORTH LANE.

SO THE, THIS PROPERTY IS JUST WEST, UM, OF THE PROPERTY FROM 1 45 FROM NINE LANE.

IT'S A SMALLER LOCATION.

UH, SO SOME AROUND THE AREA IS ALL IT'S R UM, WITH WAREHOUSING OFFICE, GERMAN ADJUSTER INSIDE SURROUNDING SURROUNDING AREA.

SO JUNE THOUSAND 11, CITY COUNCIL I INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO THE RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT AND SEP FOR AN INDUSTRIAL POTENTIAL INCOME LIMITED TO FINING PRECIOUS PERIOD WITH FOR HAVE THE ACTUALLY EXPIRES IN 20 20 26.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT REQUEST RELEASE ON THE PROPERTY BACK TO AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT SINCE THE CURRENT TENANT IS PERTAIN TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR EXPANSION, WHICH IS, UH, THE CASE RELATED 1 45, UH, TO THE SIDE SIDE, UH, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING WEST, LOOKING AGAIN TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH AND SURROUNDING USES IS, UH, BIRD HUSBAND AROUND TO THE NORTHWEST TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTHEAST TO THE SOUTHEAST LOOKING SOUTH.

UH, THE SOUTHWEST IS DRIVEN BY LANE AND THEN, UH, GOING FROM IR AND THEN, UM, IT'S THE SAME THING THAT A CASE 1 44, UH, I MEAN 1 45, BUT NOW IT'S WAY BACK FROM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING BACK TO, UM, IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH, JUST APPROVAL OF AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT AND APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF THE SPECIFIC IS TERMINATE NUMBER 1861 AND APPROVAL TERMINATION OF EXISTING JURY RESTRICTIONS.

Z 0 1 2 23.

THANK MR. WOULD IT BE A FAIR SUMMARY OF THIS CASE TO SAY FACT WAY? IT WAS BEFORE HERE THE ANSWER THAT IS YES.

FOLLOW THAT I COULDN'T HEAR.

UH, SO BASICALLY THE CASES IS EMBRACING

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THE EXISTING ENTIT ABOVE IR AND CURRENT LOCATION AND TRANSFERRING ONE BLOCK TO THE NEW LOCATION.

AND THEN WITH THE ADDITIONAL ENHANCEMENT THAT'RE ALSO EXTENDING, EXPANDING THE RESTRICTIONS, REMOVE THE WORST, THE MOST INCOMPATIBLE OF THE IR USES EPI BY RIGHT ON ANY OF THOSE.

BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, BUT GIVEN THIS SCENARIO, THAT MEANS WERE THEY OPERATING AT THE, THE ONE THAT WERE TAKING ABACK TO? I, WERE THEY OPERATING THE PRECIOUS METALS? YES, THEY, SO THEY HAD BEEN.

WE DO KNOW ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LOCATED APPLICATION ON SCHOOL, SCHOOL AT HIGH SCHOOL.

HERE'S THE AREA THAT BLEW PROPERTY.

LARGE DOES HAVE THE, UH, CITY OF OHIO SCHOOL.

UH, SEAVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL IS ALSO IN NORTH PARK.

THAT PART IS NOT MODIFIED.

SO IT'S THE NORTHEAST.

THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY LANE, THERE'S SOME MULTI-FAMILY, THERE'S AGRICULTURAL USES.

THE EAST, THERE'S CHURCH AND NORTH VEHICLE APPEAL STATION AND THEN OUTSIDE SOUTHEAST GENERALLY.

AND THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION ON THE SOUTHWEST BORDER, UNDEVELOPED CREEKWAY TO THE WEST, NORTHWEST AND CIRCLING BACK TO TOPICS AND CHURCH.

AND IN 1998 AND AMENDED A FEW TIMES, ACCOMMODATE VARIOUS EXPANSIONS OVER THE YEARS AND IT'LL, IT USES OUR ONE HALF PAPER AS ITS BASED ALLOWS THAT OTHER SCHOOL USE.

IT ALSO ALLOWS FAMILY CENTER, MIDDLE SCHOOL AND SECOND SCHOOL SITE, MIDDLE SCHOOL FACILITY SCHOOL FACILITY DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROPOSED AFTER REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE EXISTING PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL, NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN, APPLICATION, THE EXPANSION.

SO DOWN SITE, THIS IS SOUTHWEST CORNER, UH, ONE OF THE ENTRY POINTS.

VEHICLE PEDESTRIAN IS MOVE ALONG UP AND START, I MOVED NORTHWEST.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL FRONT, FARTHER UP, UH, ONE OF THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING AREAS.

NORTHEAST DRIVE, ENTRY POINT FOR HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES ON THE SIDE AND IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT OUT UNDER DANGER AND ALL THAT.

UM, WE'RE SEEING THE HIGH SCHOOL SIGN CORNER, UH, START AROUND THE CORNER ON SEA, SEA ON SIDE, HIDDEN, UM, MOVE UP SEA.

WE'RE STILL LOOKING BACK TO HIGH SCHOOL FACILITY, WHICH IS SOUTH WEST ACTUALLY THAT'S A GROVE FLIES.

AND STILL LOOKING AT THE SCHOOL FACILITY FROM SEAVILLE.

THIS IS THE ONLY ION ACCESS TO THE SITE, WHICH IS SEAVILLE.

UH, THERE'S A LONG, UM, WALKWAY THAT'S THE, UH, BUILDING AND SEA ROAD ON UP.

AND HERE'S ANOTHER ENTRY POINT.

MOST OF THESE ARE HAVE A COUPLE OF ENTRY POINTS, UH, TO THE SCHOOL, OBVIOUSLY PASSING THAT THE, THE WAY IN.

UM, FURTHER THE TRUCK MANAGEMENT LAND AND IN NORTHERN ENTRY PARKING LOT.

ANOTHER SIGN UP THERE NOW ALL THE WAY BACK WHERE WE STARTED,

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WHERE USES SUBDIVISION, UH, BUT SOUTH.

SEE THIS SIDE, WE GONNA TURN AROUND.

WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING SOUTH, UH, ACROSS LEFT.

THAT, THAT'S CITY OF SEAVILLE AND STATION FAMILY HOME CHURCH GAS STATION, IT'S OUT.

UM, NOW SHOULD BE BACK ON THE SEAGOVILLE LIVING NORTH UP THE STREET.

SAME THING'S, MULTIFAMILY THAT EXISTS DATE, THERE'S SAME FAMILY USED AND I THINK TO LARGE FAMILY ACROSS.

SO DOWN THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN, HERE'S HOW TODAY DAY AS WE SAW IT IN THE PHOTOS, OF COURSE IT'S A LARGE SITE.

IT WAS PROBABLY HARD TO SEE THE STOOL ITSELF.

UM, BUT THE PLAN IS ACCURATE TO WHAT'S ON DAY.

SO OUR PROPOSED PLAN IT DOWN TO THAT.

UM, AS AN EXPANSION, KINDA SHOWING DARK GRAY, SOUTHEAST OF THE EXISTING FACILITY.

THEY ALSO HAVE AN ACCESS LANE THAT FLOWS FROM, IT FLOWS FROM THE OLD PARKING LOT NORTH TO THE OLD PARKING LOT SOUTH THAT CONNECTS THOSE LANE.

AND ALSO ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS ON THIS PLANE.

DESTINY, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, THREE FURNITURE AREAS DESCRIBED ARE LOCATED SITE THAT SHOWN DEVELOP, CHOOSE LOCATION AND NOT MODIFYING THESE, THESE ARE BASED ON THE R SEVEN OR EXCUSE ME, AND THEN CONDITIONS I TRIED TO GO THROUGH EACH, UH, THE MAJOR CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS THEMSELVES.

SO WE DON'T SEE 'EM.

UM, REDUCING THE PARKING RATIO FOR SENIOR HIGH CLASSROOMS IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THEIR CURRENT PARKING LOTS.

NOT HAVING TO EXPAND THEIR PARKING LOTS.

UH, TAKE OUT DUTIES AND ADDITIONAL, UH, PREVIOUS AREA.

PREVIOUS AREA, AND SIX BOTH ON THE SIDEWALKS, ALL FORM CONDITIONS AND MOST SCHOOLS WE DO ON SEA AND STAR CLUSTERS.

THE STREET FURNITURE AS WAS DISCUSSED, FOUR OF THEM BEING INTERNAL, UH, ADJACENT TO THE ACCESS.

UH, ONE, ONE SEA, ONE SIDEWALKS, TREES ALONG SIDEWALKS AND MEXICO PARKING AREAS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO ACQUIRE IN ARTICLE 10.

UH, THE, UH, ARTIFICIAL LOT IF DEPENDING UPON HOW WE REQUESTED COULD, UH, LIMIT WHERE WE'RE MAKING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS CALLS FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS SPECIFICALLY ADDED TO BRING IT SIMILAR TO MODERN STANDARD AND SPECIFIC WRITING LIMITS FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELDS.

UH, VERY SIMILAR LANGUAGE.

WE'VE SEEN MANAGEMENT PLAN HERE NECESSARY TO COME BACK.

UH, BUT THEY WOULD BASICALLY HAVE THERE TWO DROP OFF AREAS, ONE IN THE NORTH FROM THE SOUTH AND THEY COUNT FOR A DEGREE OF BUSING AND WALKING OTHER AS IT WAS HERE.

JUST A CONTINGENT OF THOSE TWO AS WELL.

LITTLE MORE DETAIL, YES, UH, WE CONSISTENCY REVIEW, UH, BE LOCAL AREA PLAN.

THERE WILL BE WEST LABOR COMMUNITY PLAN.

UH, IT'S LOCATED CONSIDER ONE.

UH, BROADLY THE PLAN FALLS FOR THE PROTECTION WORLD CARE AREA.

UH, PROPOSAL MEETS THAT.

BOTH RESERVES AN OPEN SPACE AMONG MAKING ALLOWANCES FOR INCREASING ENROLLMENT OUT YOUR HIGH SCHOOL, UM, FACILITIES.

AND ALSO HELPFUL ALLOW IDENTIFYING AREAS FOR SIDEWALK AND GATHER IMPROVEMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN NOT SENDING TO SCHOOLS IN SOME OF, WE IDENTIFIED THOSE GOALS AS AS SUPPORTING THE PROPOSAL AND THE REQUESTED CONDITIONS DEVELOPMENT.

AND THIS ONE MORE TIME.

I THINK I, YEAH, LOVE IT.

UM, THAT'S WHAT THE EXPANSION WOULD BE AS IT'S SHOWN.

UH, THE OTHER ADDITIONS IN BUILDING AREA COVERS.

SO IT DRY LANE AS ADJACENT TO THAT.

OTHERWISE IT MAINTAINS A LOT OF PARKING AREAS, BUILDING AREAS, ACCESS TODAY.

SO, UH, COMMISSION'S APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO.

QUESTIONS.

NIGHT THE FACT THE THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS, UH, AMENDED TO SHOW A DIFFERENT FLOW IN AND OUT TO SHOW A DIFFERENT IN OUT FOR FOR THE STUDENT? UM, IF THE AREA FOR THE NINTH GRADE, UH, THE NINTH GRADE AREA, I RECEIVED YOUR EMAIL IN REGARDS TO IT.

UM, MR. UH, ARE YOU AWARE THAT AS OF LAST

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I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY UPDATES TO THE TP OR ADDITIONAL.

I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU.

I WOULD LOVE TO ASK.

UM, AND, AND IN THAT, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR, YOUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN? I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH IT SO I CAN AT LEAST, AND THIS, THIS REFLECTS, UH, THE DOCKET AND WHAT I MATERIAL I CAN HAVE.

SO THE BUSES COME IN, THE BUSES COME IN JUST LIKE EVERYTHING.

AND, AND UM, THE WAY THAT IT IS, IT IS CURRENTLY DEPICTED THE PARENTS AND NOT GONNA, I WANT THE BOX, THE BOX STUDENT PARK TO NINTH GRADE.

NINTH GRADE ONLY 12TH GRADE.

12TH GRADE IS WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING TODAY.

SO THE PARENTS ALREADY DO THAT.

THIS IS A NEW, THIS IS A NEW CUING AREA.

THIS IS A NEW CUING AREA.

AND WERE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, BASED ON THOSE, THOSE UM, CONVERSATIONS LAST NIGHT, THE PARENTS WILL COME IN THERE.

THIS ACTUAL AREA IS SEVERELY OVER PARKED.

YES, I SAID OVER PARK.

I, HUH, LIGHTNING DIDN'T STRIKE ME.

ENLIGHTING YOU DID NOT STRIKE ME.

UH, THIS IS BEING RECORDED.

THIS IS BEING RECORDED.

THIS AREA IS SEVERELY OVER PARKED.

THEY ONLY GIVE ME 111 PARKING SPACES.

THEY HAVE OVER 300.

SO THEY HAVE 193 VACANT SPACES IN THIS AREA.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY'RE LIMITING THE PARKING FOR STUDENTS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT FOR GOING FROM YOUR RIGHT TO YOUR LEFT, RIGHT BEING ONE NEXT TO THE MOVING LEFT IS 2, 3, 4, AND FIVE.

AND WHERE THE PARENTS COME IN IT, THE, THERE WILL BE NO PARKING.

SO NO, THAT WOULD BE A NO PARKING AREA.

THERE WILL BE TWO LANE.

THE PARENTS CAN COME IN AND DO TWO LANES LIKE THEY DO IS THE PICTURE, THE 12TH.

UM, THEY WILL COME AROUND AND THE PARENTS WILL EXIT GOING DOWN AND ROW TWO SIR.

AND THEY, AND THEY WILL GO OVER TO THAT, UH, THE RIGHT SIDE IN ONLY ON THE LEFT SIDE IS OUT ONLY.

SO THE PARENTS WILL GO IN, COME DOWN ON THE SECOND UH, ROW, GO OVER TO THE EXIT.

THERE IS WILL BE, UH, ADMINISTRATION OR TEACHER SUPPORT TO MANAGE TRAFFIC.

THE UM, BUSES WILL COME IN.

THEY WILL GO TO, UM, THE THIRD ROW.

THEY WILL GO UP, GO OVER AND DOUBLE ROAD BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO PARK.

THE ONLY PLACE THAT KIDS WILL PARK IS IN ROW FOUR.

THAT'S IT.

THERE, THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH, THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING FOR THE KIDS TO ALL PARK IN THAT ONE ROW.

AND THE THE BUSES WILL COME IN DOUBLE BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NOBODY.

THE BUSES WILL GO BACK DOWN, UM, AND GO OUT THE EXIT AND THEY'RE ON THEIR HAPPY WITH THE MERRY WAY.

UM, THE GOAL IS TO KEEP KIDS AND BUSES APART.

THE KIDS WILL ONLY U UTILIZE ROW FOUR.

THE PARENTS.

HOW BUSES, HOW ARE, HOW DO STUDENTS GET ON BUSES? I'M SORRY? HOW ARE STUDENTS LOADED ON BUSES? THEY'RE GOING, THE KIDS ARE AS THE, AS THE LOOK, LOOK AT STAFF THAT'S ASKING YOU QUESTIONS.

I KNOW , UM, AS, AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEPICTED ON THE, UM, ORIGINAL TMP.

THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE WAY THE KIDS ARE LOADED.

OKAY, SO THERE'S NO CHANGE IN LOADING JUST THE, JUST THE CHANGE IN THE FLOW OF HOW THEY COME IN, HOW YOU SEPARATE KIDS, PARENTS AND BUSES FROM EACH OTHER.

BUSES.

WHAT IF YOU HAVE THAT, CAN YOU FORWARD IT TO OH YEAH.

THAT WAY SHE CAN FORWARD US AND TO STAFF ABSOLUTELY THAT WAY.

AND THERE MIGHT BE QUESTIONS.

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THE BUSES COME IN AND AGAIN ONLY, AND THEY, THEY IMMEDIATELY MAKE A A LEFT TURN, TURN, LEFT TURN, GO UP SECOND, GO UP THE THIRD ROW AROUND TO AROUND TO UM, THE FIFTH ROW.

THEY WILL DOUBLE.

IS THIS SAYS PUSHED OR YEAH, HE'S MAKING SENSE TO ME.

I MEAN I SEE THE REST OF US HERE.

I MEAN SAYING THEY COME IN AND THEY GO AROUND FIRST AND THIRD OF THE STUDENTS AND THE BUSES ARE SECOND AND FOURTH.

HERE IT IS.

THE PARENTS COME IN THE FIRST YEAH, DOUBLE ROW.

THEY GO BACK DOWN ROAD TWO, THE KIDS HAVE PARKED ALREADY IN ROW FOUR BECAUSE THEY CAME IN IN THE MORNING.

SO THEY'RE ALREADY PARKED IN ROW FOUR.

UM, THE BUSES WILL COME IN, MAKE A LEFT GO UP, THE CAR'S LISTENING AND YOU JUST SAID IT.

SO I'M LOOKING, OKAY, THEY, THEY COME IN, MAKE A LEFT GO UP ROAD THREE, THEY WILL HOOK AROUND ON THE ROAD FIVE.

THEY WILL DOUBLE DOUBLE THE WAY.

DOUBLE DOUBLE DOWN.

SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO BUSES, YOU'LL HAVE 15 BUSES AND THEY WILL LINE UP BY TWO EXCEPT FOR THERE WILL BE THREE THAT ARE STRATEGIES.

SO WHEN THEY COME IN, ARE THEY IN THE OFFICE CARS WHEN THEY, EVERYBODY COMES IN ONE.

EVERYBODY COMES IN ONE ROW.

WE WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR MINOR AMENDMENT IF IT WERE EXTENSIVELY, NO.

THAT'S IN ONLY I GOT YOU.

BUT SO THE, THE CARS FOR THE CARPOOL AND THE BUSES ARE IN LINE IN THE ENTRANCE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

ONE GOES KIND OF RIGHT AND ONE TURNS LEFT.

EVERYBODY COMES IN THAT ONE ENTRY POINT.

THAT'S EVERYBODY COMES IN ONE ENTRY POINT AND ONE AND WE EARLIER WE'RE JUST GETTING THIS J P NOW WE CAN PAUSE ON THIS BRIEFING, BRIEF THE REST OF THE STUFF AND COME BACK.

I THINK THIS IS, WE COULD DO THAT.

WE'VE GOT THOROUGHFARE.

WE DO, WE IN OUR EMAIL.

SO YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A PEEK AT THAT? YEAH, WHY DON'T WE GO TO THIS MICHAEL, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN YOU RECEIVED THAT.

SEND IT ME.

WELL HOW ABOUT IF YOU JUST CONTINUE BRIEFING THIS ONE LITTLE PIECE FIRST FOR I GUESS IN HERE TO RECAP ALL THE DISCUSSION.

UM, YOU LED WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS OUTSIDE THE PLEASE.

UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE ARE, I MEAN I THINK HIGH SCHOOL, THE MAIN HIGH AND, AND PLANNING, I'M WONDERING IF THAT RELEVANT.

SO I WANTED THAT OUT THERE.

MAKE SURE, UM, YEAH, THANKS.

YES, I SEE WHAT IT MEANS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING MAINTAIN THEIR LOSS BASED ON WHAT HEARING THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THEIR LOSS.

UM, THEY'RE UNDERUTILIZED OUT, OUT IN DATA AT ALL TIME.

UM, SO IF THEY MAY BE EITHER, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MAY BE EITHER CONNING OR DIRECTING TO THEM OR NOT UTILIZING THOSE SPACES.

UH, BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE THINKING OF TERMS OF LONG TERM PLANNING AND OTHER FUTURE FACILITY USES, UH, THEY WOULD STILL BE AVAILABLE.

THIS IS JUST PART OF THE TMP AT THIS TIME CAN BE AMENDED IF NECESSARY AND TIME AND BE EXPANDED.

THAT WAS REQUIRED AMENDMENT TO THE BD, IS THAT CORRECT? TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN? UM, YOU SEE YES.

WELL, UM,

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AND, AND, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD HAVE TO VARY REASON THAT THEY'RE HERE TODAY, RIGHT? UM, THEY'RE STILL OVER.

THEY'VE AMENDED THEIR PARKING RATIO.

THEY'RE STILL OVER PARKED FROM THAT RATIO.

UH, THAT WHERE I'M WITH THIS IS IF THERE IS A FUTURE EXPANSION, THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVISIT THE ANCY DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME.

A SIGNIFICANT, A SIGNIFICANT ONE.

AND THIS WAS APPLICANT D'S REQUEST TO REDUCE THE PARKING RATIO THEY INCUR WITH WITH THE REDUCTION.

THAT'S CORRECT.

IT WAS THEIR PROPOSAL INITIALLY IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE PARKING AREAS THAT THEY HAVE WHILE ADDING CLASSROOMS, UM, TO, TO MAKE THE MEMBERS WORK AND NOT HAVE TO FORCE ADDITIONAL SPACE TO BE AT PARTY.

THAT WAS THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL.

WE EVALUATED IT BASED ON THE DATA APPROPRIATE.

GREAT.

IS IT NOT, UH, ACCURATE THAT THEY'RE NOT INCREASING THEIR STUDENT POPULATION IN THIS PARTICULAR DISH, THAT JUDICIAL SPACE? IT'S JUST SPACE, NOT, NOT PEOPLE.

WE ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THE RED HERE.

THAT'S IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY FOR, OKAY, SO OUR FIRST AMENDMENT, UH, IS AN APPLICATION FROM VICTORIA AND AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF HARWOOD STREET, BETWEEN JACKSON STREET AND CAR STREET.

HAVE REQUESTED AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS CENTRAL DISTRICT CPK FOR SHORTS.

UM, TO CHANGE THE HARWOOD STREET BETWEEN JACKSON STREET, PALM STREET FROM A 64 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY AND 44 FEET OF PAVEMENT TO 58 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND 40 FEET OF THE PAVEMENT STEMS. ALSO REQUESTING AN UPDATE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PAVEMENT THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND PAVEMENT INSTRUCTIONS TO REFLECT THE CONDITIONS.

THE PROPOSED REDUCTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF HARBOR STREET.

THIS DEVELOPMENT IS PROPOSING TO CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY TWO 50 APARTMENTS, 7,000 SQUARE FEET, GROUND FOUR RETAIL SPACE IN OVER SEVEN PARKING SPACES FOR THE HISTORIC LIBRARY BUILDING.

NOW THAT CALIFORNIA OFFICE, THE NEW HARWOOD PARK AND THE SURROUNDING GREENSTONE CITY.

SO JUST LOOKING THROUGH, UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME.

SO WE CAN LIKE TO DRIVE THROUGH FOUR DOOR.

SO THIS WOULD BE NORTHBOUND ON HARWOOD STREET, JUST SOUTH OF JACKSON STREET.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE, THE A IS THE PARKING GARAGE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.

NOW THIS IS LOOKING AT THE SAME LOCATION BUT BACKWARDS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING SOUTHBOUND AT HAR STREET JUST NORTH OF JACKSON STREET.

YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT HAND CORNER, KIND OF RIGHT IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

THERE IS A TERRAZA THAT UM, THESE ARE LOCATED STRATEGICALLY AROUND DOWNTOWN AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THAT WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

THIS WOULD BE LOOKING MORE AT THE EXISTING FACILITY IN MID BLOCK, UM, TO LOOKING MORE DOWN AT STREET.

AND WHAT DOES THE PHONE MEAN? UM, TO, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS IN THIS AREA.

UM, WE'RE NOT GONNA FOCUS ON THE PROPOSED OPERATIONS RIGHT HERE FOR THIS AMENDMENTS.

OKAY?

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SO WHAT DOES THE TABLE MEAN? ALL OF MY PLANS HAVE A TABLE THAT, THAT PROVIDE ALL OF THE LEGAL INFORMATION IN IT.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT WE HAVE THE EXISTING TABLE CONFIGURATION.

SO IT'S 15 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY.

44 FEET OF PAVEMENT IS WHAT IT SAYS IN THE EXISTING FACILITY.

THE PROPOSED FACILITY IS 64 FEET AND 44 FEET AT THE PAVEMENT.

SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW.

WHAT WE WANNA CHANGE IT TO IS THE 54 AND 40 AND THEN THE 58 AND THE 40.

AND THEN ONCE I GET THE ADDITIONAL 54 FEET OR THE ADDITIONAL FOUR FEET, UM, I'LL THE EXISTING P.

SO JUST A SECOND GUYS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THIRD COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

SO, UM, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH IS RUBRIC CROSS SECTIONS.

WHAT I WANT TO DO IS KIND JUST WALK THROUGH, YOU GUYS HAVE IN THE FACT SHEET.

UM, BUT I, SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT.

THE EXISTING DESIGNATION IS THIS TOP LINE AND THIS EXISTING DESIGNATION SHOWS YOU THAT I HAVE FOUR 11 FOOT LANES IN 64 FEET OF DRIVEWAY.

HOWEVER, OUR EXISTING OPERATION, AND PLEASE REMEMBER WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LANE CONFIGURATION, BUT THE EXISTING OPERATION IS TWO LANES, ONE LANE NORTHBOUND ON LANE SOUTHBOUND THE BICYCLE LANES AND I ONLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE FEET OF SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.

SO WE ONLY HAVE THE 50 FEET.

WHAT THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION IS, AND AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RIGHT WAY AND PARKWAY RIGHT NOW, JUST TO KIND OF SPECIFY WHAT WE'RE REALLY CHANGING ON THIS AMENDMENT IS THE 58 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN WE'RE HOPING FOR NINE FEET OF PARKWAY ON EITHER SIDE.

THIS SECTION OF HARWOOD CONSISTS CURRENTLY EXISTS IS THE 54 FEET BUT RIGHT OF WAY WITH A 27 FOOT CENTER LINE.

SO THAT'S 27 FEET ON SIDE OF THE DISTINCT CENTER LINE.

UM, AND 40 FEET OF PAVEMENT.

THE PROPOSED WOULD CHANGE AND WOULD MODIFY THE PLAN TO 58 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY.

THIS WOULD BE 29 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ESTABLISHED CENTERLINE AND THE EXISTING COURT PAYMENT FOR OCCUR.

THIS APPLICATION IS NOT TO CHANGE.

THE LANE CONFIGURATION WILL BE DONE, THAT WILL BE DONE ON A SEPARATE AMENDMENT.

UM, TO INCLUDE THE, UNDER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THERE WOULD BE NINE FEET OF PARKWAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THE DEVELOPERS PROPOSING TO ALLOCATE AN ADDITIONAL THREE FEET OF SPACE ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR A TOTAL OF 12 FEET OF PEDESTRIAN SPACE.

THE DEVELOPER IS ALSO PROPOSING TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS SUCH AS STREET TREES, AWNING THE PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK AND PROVIDE ADDIT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SHADE.

THEY WILL BE DOING ENHANCED PAVING AND PEDESTRIAN AND LIGHTING AND THEY'RE ALSO TRYING TO PROTECT OR THEY WILL BE PROTECTING THE EXISTING TERRA R PANEL ON THE CORNER OF HARWOOD AND JACKSON STREET STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND COMMISSION.

THANK VERY MUCH UH, MR SO THIS IS MY PERSONAL CAN YOU ON THIS THIRD, CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR PREVIOUS, SO WHY IS THE EXISTING OPERATION NOT MATCHING THE EXISTING DESIGNATION? WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT ONE.

OK ? UM, YEAH, I GOTTA SOUND REALLY CONFUSED.

NO, NO, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT RIGHT WAY.

WHAT IS RIGHT WAY, RIGHT WAY IS WHAT THE CITY OWNS BETWEEN PROPERTY.

PROPERTY.

SO THAT WOULD BE IN, IN LIKE A RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THAT WOULD BE YOUR SIDEWALK, THE PARKWAY, YOU KNOW THE EMPTY GRASS STRIP AND THEN THE ROADWAY AND THEN THE SAME ON THE OTHER SIDE ROADWAY.

SO WE HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN STREETS ALSO.

BUT HOW, I GUESS MY CONFUSION IS WHAT IS IT REALLY LIKE ARE THEY CARVING BACK YOUR STUFF CURRENTLY IF IT DOESN'T MATCH WHAT SETBACK? ALL THOSE THINGS.

I DON'T TALK ABOUT ANY UM, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT THE CITY OWNS AND WHAT THE CITY IS.

SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, SO THE CITY CURRENTLY OWNS 54, PROPOSED CITY'S GONNA OWN 58.

AND SO WELL NOT, OH WE ARE GONNA REQUEST, SO THIS IS THE LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE ROADWAY RACE, BUT DO THEY ULTIMATELY OWN 64? NO.

THAT EXISTING DESIGNATION, THAT IS THE PLAN.

THAT'S WHAT THE PLAN SAYS WE SHOULD HAVE.

OKAY, SO SHOULD

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SHOULD CORRECT.

OKAY, I'M WITH YOU.

SO SEE DESIGNATION WAS ASPIRATIONAL ESTATE OPERATION IS REALITY.

CORRECT? BUT I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID THAT THE REALITY IS 54, THAT WAS 50.

WELL DEAR DEALING PLA AND YOU DEFINITELY HAVE THAT EXTRA FOUR FEET BASED ON THE APPROVED PLAN.

I CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVE, SO DOES THE CITY NOT GET TO REQUIRE A CERTAIN LETTER OF LAND? THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS, BUT I JUST HEARD YOU SAY IT'S ASPIRATIONAL, NOT REQUIRED.

WELL, SO WE ARE A LIBERTARIAN PLAN.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WE GET TO CHANGE IT.

AND THROUGH THIS APPLICATION PROCESS IS THAT CHANGING PROCESS.

SO WHEN THE DEVELOPER BUILT AND CONSTRUCTED THEIR, THEIR PROPOSED BUILDING, WE NEEDED, YOU KNOW, 64 DIVIDED BY TWO.

THAT'S NOT WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING.

UM, DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING WE CAN GIVE YOU FOUR FEET.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE 50 58 AT WORK CITY IS 58, THE CITY IS OKAY.

58 EVEN THOUGH YOU WOULD 60 THE CITY.

TODAY WITH 58.

SO I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ONLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD AREN'T LONG.

UM, SO IN THE 58 RIGHT WAY YOU SAID I GET THAT THE MIDLINE IS 29 ON EACH SIDE.

SO OF THAT 29 ON EACH SIDE NINE IT'S GONNA BE FOR PEDESTRIAN WALKING.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

AND OF THAT NINE, WHAT IS THE DEVELOPER TO DO? GET ANY THREE, WALK THREE.

SO, OKAY, BUT THAT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO PLUS, SO YOU'RE REALLY GETTING 58 PLUS SIX CAUSE THE DEVELOPER'S GIVING YOU BACK THREE ON EACH SIDE ABOUT SEVEN, FIVE.

I LIKE MATH FOUR SO SO PLUS THREE ON ONE SIDE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE NINE ON ONE SIDE FOR PEDESTRIAN AND 12 ON ONE SIDE.

AND ON THE 12 SIDE IS WHERE THAT THREE'S GOING.

WHAT ELSE DID THEY PROPOSE TO DO ON THAT TIME? UH, THEY'RE ENHANCING THE PEDESTRIAN ROUNDS THAT BEING ABLE TO PUTTING THE AWNING IN SOME OF THEIR FACILITY.

SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE THAT EVENTUALLY.

UM, AND THEN THE ENHANCED OKAY AND PAPER STAY.

THIS IS WHERE ARE THE, THAT IS NOT PART OF THEIR HAS PAPER THAT IS EXISTING.

IS THAT ON THE SIDE OF THREE OR THE OTHER SIDE? NO, THAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THEIR THREE BUT ITS IN OUR RIGHT WAY.

THAT WAS INSTALLED BY DALLAS DE YEARS THERE.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.

I THINK I'M GOOD FOR NOW.

I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN'T JUST REQUIRE WHAT THEY NEED.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S QUESTION I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIT WITH YOU AND EXPLAIN THE THIRD YOUR PLAN.

UM, YEAH THIS IS MY FIRST PROGRAM.

WE UNDERST STATE LAW.

THE CITY CAN REQUIRE WHAT IS APPRECIABLE TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

YEAH, YOU CAN'T SAY I WANT FREEWAY HERE AND YOU NEED TO THAT THREE, UNLESS THE DEVELOPMENT CAUSES TO MY HEAD IS JUST BEING REALLY CONFUSING.

WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE, YOU DON'T SEE ME VERY OFTEN AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HARDER, YOU KNOW, UM, THESE, THESE ARE AS NEEDED AS REQUIRED AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A LIVING DOCUMENT.

SO THIS IS MY FIRST AND WE HAVE THESE COMMITTEE NAMES.

THIS IS REALLY HELPFUL BY THE WAY.

I TRIED TO KEEP IT, I MEAN I DO A LOT OF PUBLIC MEETINGS TOO, SO I TRY TO KEEP IT AS GENERAL AS I POSSIBLY CAN SO WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT IT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SO THESE ARE PURELY ILLUSTRATIVE.

I GET THAT BECAUSE THAT MIGHT NOT BE, YEAH, EVEN THAT COULD BE AN ELM VERSUS AN OATH.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ELSE GETS THAT JUST IMPLEMENTATIONS EITHER THAT OR A JURY.

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I'M NOT PUTTING A JURY BUT, OKAY.

SO STAFF APPROVAL AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I'M WONDERING WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE LANE THAT WE SEE WHAT UM, WE WILL DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER AMENDMENT IN JUST A SECOND.

IN THE NEXT, JUST THE RIGHT OF WAY IS ALL THE HEARING.

NOW IS IT CORRECT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THE RIGHT OF WAY UP TO THE CENTER OF THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEN FROM THAT POINT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT SIDE OF TRAFFIC AND THEN ALSO PROPERTY.

PROPERTY.

I'M WONDERING IN THAT LIGHT, COULD WE REQUIRE WELLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ALSO ENHANCE? NO SIR.

THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS AMENDMENT.

PLEASE QUESTION.

THIS REVIEWED I BELIEVE IS I ACTUALLY THE AREA, I APOLOGIZE WHATEVER RELAY.

UM, SO, SO THIS IS ONLY THE AMENDMENT FOR THE RIGHT, THE BUILDING HAS TO BE THEN ALL OF THAT IS ALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE THE OVERLAYS AND THEN STORY AND ALL OF YOUR, SO I'M HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

HOWEVER, THOSE ARE NOT, UM, DOCUMENTED AND WIDELY AVAILABLE YET.

OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, PERFECT.

OKAY, SO THIS ONE IS AN APPLICATION.

SO THIS CITY, SORRY, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

WE ARE REQUESTING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS, APRIL.

THIS IS DISTRICT'S REASON, TRIBULATION AND J OPERATION OF CARWOOD BETWEEN INTERSTATE 30 AND MAIN STREET FROM A TWO LANE SOUTHBOUND, TWO LANE NORTHBOUND AND CENTER TURN LANE TO A ONE LANE SOUTHBOUND ONE LANE NORTHBOUND IN DIRECTIONAL BICYCLE LANES.

THIS PROJECT WAS LAUNCHED IN 20 THROUGH A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE DALLAS, THE CITY OF DALLAS, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE BETTER BLOCK FOUNDATION AND BOUND DALLAS INC.

THE INTENT OF THIS PROJECT WAS TO ADD BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE ALONG HARWOOD STREET.

WHICH STREET, SORRY, HARWOOD STREET CORRIDOR BETWEEN DALLAS HERITAGE VILLAGE AND MAIN STREET GARDENS.

THIS 2020 EFFORT CREATED A DEDICATED DIRECTIONAL BICYCLE LANES WHICH PROVIDED A SAFE, WHICH PROVIDED A SAFE AND EFFICIENT FACILITY FOR PEOPLE TO DRIVE ALONG BICYCLES AND SCOOTERS.

HARVARD WAS NOT AMENDED IN 2020 BECAUSE IT WAS A DEMONSTRATION PROJECT.

SINCE THEN, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT THE BICYCLE LANES HAVE NOT IMPACTED THE TR THE FLAT, SORRY, THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND SHOULD BE ADOPTED INTO THE PLAN.

SO LOOKING AT THIS QUARTER, WE'RE GONNA START ON THE UM, THE 30 SIDE AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING NORTHBOUND ON HARBOR STREET JUST SOUTH OF I 30.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE BICYCLE LANES RIGHT HERE AND ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

SO HERITAGE VILLAGE WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR STREET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SLIDE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NOW WE'RE GONNA DRIVE THROUGH, THIS WOULD BE FARMER'S MARKET AND YOU CAN SEE THAT YOU DO HAVE UH, FLOATING PARKING HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE STREET WITH THE DEDICATED BICYCLE FACILITY.

AND WE'RE CONTINUING.

AND SO THIS IS MAIN STREET GARDENS ON THE LEFT NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, WE WERE REQUESTED AT COMMITTEE TO PROVIDE BACK ACCOUNT.

SO THIS WAS NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR FACT.

YOU I DO APOLOGIZE.

UM, THE TRACK ACCOUNT WE CONSIDERED 2019 STILL CURRENT YEAR CAUSE IT'S PRE COVID.

SO WE ARE CURRENTLY AND AS FY WE ARE REQUESTING, WE ARE STARTING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING BACK.

SO WE WILL BE DOING UPDATED TRAFFIC COUNTS,

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SO 20 20, 20 19 IS CURRENT HERE.

YES MA'AM.

IS THAT SAID SUPPOSED TO BE AUGUST? NO MA'AM.

SO I, I PULLED SOME OF THE, THE MORE HISTORIC JUST TO SHOW THAT COOKIE HAS NOT CHANGED OVER YEARS.

EVEN WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FARMER'S MARKET DISTRICT.

NOW A TWO LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY THAT IS A MINOR ARTERIAL WITH ALL ROADS WILL, NOT ALL ROADS BUT ALL ROADS ON THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STREET PARTICULAR CIRCULATION PLAN IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA ARE CONSIDERED MINOR AREAS.

SO THAT BE PULLED UP TO FIVE, 5,000 TO 10,000 VEHICLES PER DAY JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND TWO LIGHT IS ONE IN ONE.

SO AGAIN, I WANNA SHOW WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY CHANGING.

SO I SPOKE OUT ALL OF THE RIGHT OF WAY HERE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT TALKING ON THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT.

ANY OTHER RIGHT OF WAY OR YOU KNOW, YOU WERE ON THE LAST A THIS ONE WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THIS OPERATIONAL CHANGE.

SO WE'RE GOING FROM TWO LANES TO ONE LANE WITH THE BICYCLE FACILITY.

WHAT DOES CT? SO LOOKING AT WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WANNA SHOW YOU WHAT THESE, THESE LOOK LIKE.

UM, AND LOOKING AT THE RIGHT OF WAY CROSS SECTIONS, WHAT THE DESIGNATION REQUIRE OR PROPOSES IS THESE FOUR LANE CROSS SECTIONS.

THE CENTER, THE SECOND ONE HERE IS THE CENTER TURN LANE.

THE EXISTING OPERATION IS THE, THE TWO LANES WITH THE BICYCLE FACILITIES.

SO WHAT ARE WE PROPOSING? WE ARE PROPOSING THE TWO LANES WITH THE BICYCLE FACILITIES.

I AM NOT SPECIFYING ANY OF THE PARKING ON THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT.

HOWEVER, IF WE DO HAVE SPACE WE CAN ADD INTO THE PARKING THAT GETS INTO THE DESIGN.

THIS BODY DOES NOT DEAL WITH DESIGN.

WE ARE JUST DOING THE BASIC OPERATION.

OKAY? YES MA'AM.

OKAY, SO WAIT JUST A SECOND.

I THOUGHT WE ONLY GOT 58 FOR PROPOSED RIGHT AWAY.

SO WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT A MINIMUM OF 16? WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT RIGHT AWAY FOR THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT.

SO THE EXISTING PLAN, I CAN'T CROSS POLLINATE THE TWO TOGETHER.

I HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ONE IS THE, WOULD BE GIVING US THE 58 HOWEVER ON THE PLAN TODAY.

SO IF I WASN'T DOING THE I THE OTHER AMENDMENTS, IT WOULD BE 64 FEET WOULD BE BY LIMIT.

YEAH, I DON'T, I'M NOT FOLLOWING.

SO DON'T LOOK, DON'T LOOK AT THE, DON'T LOOK AT THIS NUMBER RIGHT HERE.

WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE OPERATION IN THIS AMENDMENT.

BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH SPACE YOU HAVE IN ORDER TO KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE SPACE TO MPROMISE.

SO I CAN'T IGNORE.

SO YOU NOTICE WHAT THE IS IF YOU NOTICE ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE I DO NOT HAVE SIDEWALK NUMBERS CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FLUCTUATION ACTUALLY FIRST IN THE RIGHT FORM SOME LOCATIONS LIKE EXIST AGAIN, I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO CROSS ALL THESE TWO AMENDMENTS.

SO I HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE PLAN SAYS TO TODAY FOR THIS AMENDMENT.

AND THE PLAN SAYS TODAY I HAVE A PROPOSED 64 FEET AS THE SMALLEST DRIVEWAY WAY ON THE PLAN.

YEAH I OPERATIONALLY YOU HAVE ON THIS THE OPERATION NOT THE RIGHT OF WAY.

40 FEET TOTAL.

YOU GOT THE BICYCLE LANES, THE TWO 10 FOOT 10 10, 10 10.

SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THAT R O W RIGHT OF BLADE IS GOING TO BE, ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT EXISTS TODAY.

THE BICYCLE LANE, YOU SAID IT WAS BEFORE A DEMONSTRATION TO SEE IF IT WOULD WORK AND NOW WE ARE BASICALLY CODIFYING THAT IT IS WORKING AND, AND SO WHAT EXISTS TODAY WE ARE MAKING AN AMENDMENT ABOUT TO MAKE IT PART OF THE PLANT.

THE PLANT.

SO THE RIGHT OF WAY PART ON THIS PART DOESN'T MATTER CAUSE IT WE ARE WE DEALING WITH THE 40 CORRECT.

OPERATION? THE PREVIOUS CASE WAS ONE BLOCK.

A QUARTER MILE, CORRECT? I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AFTER I MADE MY STATEMENT.

AND THIS CASE IS

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MY ONE QUESTION IS, EVEN THOUGH I'M ON THIS COMMITTEE, UH, IS THIS, AND I FORGOT TO ASK THIS BEFORE, BUT YOU ARE TOTALLY OKAY WITH BECAUSE IT'S BEEN WORKING OBVIOUSLY WITH ELIMINATING ANY TURN LANES.

CORRECT? OPERATIONALLY.

OPERATIONALLY WE STILL DO HAVE SOME TURN LANES.

UM, BUT BASICALLY THIS IS IS THE OKAY, THANK YOU.

HERE.

UM, WHERE DOES, WHAT, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF HARWOOD NORTH OF MAINE? CURRENTLY IT DOES NOT HAVE THE BICYCLE FACILITIES.

HOWEVER WE ARE PROPOSING IT IS ON THE, THE 360 PLAN.

THERE'S DOWNTOWN DALLAS SUPPORT, UM, TO HAVE ADDITIONAL BICYCLE FACILITIES THAT CONNECT FROM MAIN STREET GARDEN ALL THE WAY TO FIVE ONE PARK.

ALRIGHT.

AND THAT WOULD SUGGEST THE EVENTUAL EXTENSION OF THE ONE AND ONE LANE NORTH OF MAIN.

I CAN'T SPECIFY THAT AS TODAY CAUSE WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED IT.

LET'S FOCUS FOR A SECOND ON THE BLOCK BETWEEN COMMERCE AND MAINE, THAT IS UH, WITH UH, PARKED ON ONE SIDE AND MUNICIPAL COURT ON THE OTHER SIDE.

IS THAT CURRENTLY ONE AND ONE PLUS BICYCLE LANES? YES.

AND THAT'S NOT CAUSING ANY THROUGHPUT ISSUES FOR VEHICLES AT UH, AFTERNOON RUSH HOUR? NO.

I'M SURPRISED.

I MEAN IT IS, IT IS A PEDESTRIAN CORRIDOR AND UM, ON OUR PEDESTRIAN CORRIDORS WE DO ANTICIPATE A PERSON SITTING IN AN AIR CONDITION THEORETICALLY, UM, WORKING IN YOUR CAR, UM, SITTING IN AN ENCLOSED VEHICLE MIGHT HAVE TO WAIT A LITTLE LONGER TO ALLOW FOR PEDESTRIANS AND INSIDE LESS, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT IN THAT ENCLOSED VEHICLE, MORE AT A SAFER FORWARD WHERE TO TRAVERSE.

WELL I I APPRECIATE THAT VALUE JUDGMENT, BUT MY QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE IMPACT ON VEHICLE TRAFFIC.

IS THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC HEADING EAST ON COMMERCE AND GOING NORTHBOUND ADEQUATELY SERVED BY UM, THE CAESAR CHAVEZ AND UH, ? YES SIR.

SO IF WE REALLY WANTED TO REIMAGINE DOWNTOWN HARWOOD COULD BE A PLACE THAT WE COULD SHUT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC ALL TOGETHER AND TURN IT INTO A BICYCLE SCOOTER LINEAR PART FROM CL WARREN TO THE FARMER'S MARKET.

I LOVE WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THAT .

HOWEVER, GREAT JOB.

I KNOW IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE TODAY.

JUST THINKING OUT LOUD, WELL THINK OUT LOUD ON SOME OTHER CORRIDORS CAUSE WE MIGHT HAVE SOME OF THOSE IDEAS COMING THROUGH.

SO WE NEED TO CLARIFY, AND I THINK I NEED TO DO SOME SORT OF PRESENTATION TO EXPLAIN ALL THE PLAN.

STATE CHAIR.

UM, SO IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THE, THE IMAGE THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY THAT SHOW PROPOSAL DESIGNATION IS JUST, JUST THAT PROPOSING WHAT HAD RIGHT WAY DESIGNATION WOULD BE IRRESPECTIVE OF AND UM, I BEING ACTUALLY INSTALLED WITHIN THAT VERIFICATION? UM, I, I THINK I'M FOLLOWING YOU.

UH, THE, THE THOROUGH REPAIR PLAN, SO THE SOCIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TREAT AND VENT CIRCULATION PLAN REGULATES HOW THE ROADWAYS AND THE CBD CAN ALL OPERATE.

SO A DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO COME, UM, AND JUSTIFY THE REASONING FOR A CHANGE IN THE OPERATION AND THEY WOULD'VE TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO THEN EVALUATE.

SO DEVELOPER HAVE THE CASE WAS, YOU KNOW, THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE 64, BUT CONDITION ALLOWED IT TO BE DOWN TO 50 50 OR 58.

UM, BUT THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION WAS 64 AND I'M THINKING THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SETTING IS PROPOSED.

BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT ONCE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN, THEY WANT PROPOSE TO MOVE PREVIOUS, UM, DEVELOPMENT.

SO, OKAY,

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UM, DESIGNATION IS OPERATION RIGHT OF WAY IS WHAT THE DEVELOPER ON THE PRIOR CASE WAS ASKING TO CHANGE AND THAT WOULD MODIFY THE SIDEWALK PEDESTRIAN DONE NOT THE OPERATION DESIGNATION OF THE ULAR LANE OF THE THE ROADWAY, THE MR DRIVER.

PLEASE SIR.

SO YOU COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT RIGHT OF WAY FOR EACH STREET THAT THEN CONNECTS THROUGH THIS LARGER QUARTER WALK AREA.

A QUARTER MILE AREA.

SO I JUST DID THE MAP ON THE TOP ONE AND IT ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T SAY IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT ACTUALLY DOES MATCH UP EXACTLY.

IT'S 20, IT COULD BE 9 20, 29, WHICH GETS SHE TO THE 58.

SO THERE'D BE NO PARKING CORRECT.

BUT THEN THE NEXT BLOCK, IF THEY HAD A LARGER WAY YOU COULD HAVE THIS CLOTHING PARKING THAT CAME IN.

IT CAN DIFFER RIGHT WALK.

SO THE DIFFERENCE, UM, YOU GUYS CAN SEE THIS RIGHT NOW WE ARE ONLY, THESE THREE AMENDMENTS TODAY I'M PROPOSING TODAY, UM, ARE ONLY IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

SO WHEN WE GET TO THE THOROUGH FAIR PLAN, OUR CORRIDORS ARE A LOT LONGER.

I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT A LITTLE, I WE THINK ABOUT THEM A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IF, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR TABLE, UM, AND JUST BECAUSE IT HAS SO MANY LINE ITEMS ON IT, I HAVE TO GO BLOCKLY BLOCK.

I MEAN THINK ABOUT LIKE COMMERCE STREET WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN COMMERCE AND THERE'S INDENTED PARKING AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT COMMERCE, WE'RE ONLY PARKING.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE GOING DOWN COMMERCE, THERE'S INDENTED PARKING OR SOMETIMES THERE'S REALLY LIGHT.

SO IT, THE LANE CONFIGURATIONS CHANGE.

I HAVE A LOT MORE MODIFICATIONS BECAUSE IT IS SILVER TRAFFIC IN THE CBD.

REQUESTING A CHANGE TO WOOD STREET BETWEEN GRIFFIN STREET AND FIELD STREET FROM 80 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY TO 36 FEET OF PA 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT TO 60 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT.

ANY, UM, SO ONE, ONE OUT, AND THIS IS KINDA AGREEMENT WITH, WITH COULD WE ACTUALLY CREATE A LINEAR PART OR SOMETHING OR WOULD IT BE, UM, THE BEGINNING OF THAT, BUT WOULD IT BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY PROPOSE TO REMOVE THAT BEHAVIOR? CAUSE IT'S JUST ONE LANE IN ONE DIRECTION AND IT SEEMS THAT THAT WOULD BE INTERFER PEDESTRIANS OF THEOD RIDERS AS OPPOSED TO CAR.

SO I JUST WANT PUT THAT OUT THERE.

IF, IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANY OF YOUR PART, WHERE WOULD IT COME? WHERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY? UM, I THINK AT THIS, THIS CURRENT TIME, WE WOULD NEED TO STUDY A LOT MORE.

AND IN COORDINATE, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR PARTNER AT DOWNTOWN DALLAS, YOU SPEAKS BASICALLY FOR, YOU KNOW, AS THE PD OR WHATEVER THEIR ZONING, SORRY, GOT MY DOG, WHATEVER THEIR ZONING ROLE IS.

UM, BUT AS, AS THE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO SPEAK WITH THEM.

SO THERE ARE OTHER CORRIDORS, BUT THE ONE LANE IN EITHER DIRECTION.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT ON HARWOOD AND FIRE.

WE NEED ACCESS.

SO THE ONE LANE EITHER DIRECTION IS PROVIDING AMPLE AMOUNT OF ACCESS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE FRONTING HARWOOD.

SO THE HARWOOD TURNING IT INTO A, A BICYCLE BLANCA, UM, OR REMOVING ANY FURTHER ACCESS.

THAT'S A REALLY A BIGGER CONVERSATION AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT WITH YOU GUYS AT A LATER TIME.

HOWEVER, TODAY THIS IS THE AMENDMENT IN WHICH OF THE APPLICATION WHICH WE'RE PRESENTING.

SO OUR THIRD AMENDMENT, OKAY, SO OUR, OUR THIRD CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STREET'S ADVANTAGE CIRCULATION PLAN AMENDMENT IS AN APPLICATION FROM THE SANTA FE FOUR HOTEL LP PROPERTY.

THEY'RE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WOOD STREET BETWEEN OR JUST WEST FIELD STREET.

AND THEY ARE

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STAFF IS ALSO REQUESTING TO UPDATE THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND GIVEN DESCRIPTIONS TO REFLECT, REFLECT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.

THE PROPOSED REDUCTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY WOULD BE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY THEY'RE PROPOSING TO REPLACE THE EXISTING 314 SURFACE LOT PARKING LOT WITH A PHASE 641 UNIT HIGH RISE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

SO THIS IS KIND OF, I WANTED TO GIVE KIND OF A WONKY , NOT REALLY, UM, IMAGE, JUST SO YOU CAN KINDA SEE.

THIS IS A T INTERSECTION, WHICH MEANS THE, THE WOOD STREET DEAD ENDS INTO GRIFFIN STREET AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.

SO WE'RE LOOKING NORTHBOUND ON GRIFFIN AT WOOD STREET.

THEN WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A RIGHTHAND TURN HERE AND WE'RE GONNA LOOK EASTBOUND ON WOOD STREET.

SO EAST IS TOWARDS BOUND, SO EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING WHICH DIRECTION WE'RE LOOKING.

UM, ON WOOD STREET NORTH OF GRIFFIN STREET, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS, IT'S A TWO-LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY CENTER, LAKE LANE RIGHT HERE.

AND THEN THIS PHOTO WOULD BE FROM THE EAST SIDE.

ALSO ON THE STREET, JUST SOUTH, UH, FIELD STREET.

THE DEVELOP ROAD DEVELOPMENT IS THIS PARKING LOT RIGHT HERE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF SCREEN.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA LOOK BACK AT THESE TABLES CAUSE THIS IS THE, THE MEAT OF BOTH OF MY PLANS.

BUT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE CHANGING, UM, RIGHT NOW THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON ON THIS PLAN IS 80 FEET OF DRIVEWAY.

SO EVEN IF PROPOSED IS 80 FEET OF DRIVEWAY.

SO THAT'S THE PLAN IS SAYING WITH A 41 TO 36 FOOT PA PRINT, WE HAVE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED THIS ROADWAY.

AND SO IT IS CURRENTLY ONE LANE WESTBOUND, ONE LANE EASTBOUND.

HOWEVER, THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER HAS ALREADY DEDICATED THE PROPERTY.

UM, AND WE HAVE IT ON, I HAVE IT ON A SURVEY.

IT'S 55 FEET, THE 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT.

SO THAT'S THE EXISTING WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.

UM, THEY ARE PROPOSING 60 FOOT THAT MAKES IT BALANCED, UM, FOR THE 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT.

SO IN THE FUTURE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY WOULD BE DEDICATING THAT EXTRA FIVE FEES AS AS DEVELOPMENT FIRST AND THIS DEVELOPER SOUTH AND THIS DEVELOPER ON THIS SOUTH SIDE.

SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT THIS DRIVEWAY GOING THROUGH THESE CROSS SECTIONS WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, 80 FEET OF BRI AWAY FOR A VERY SMALL PAVEMENT WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS.

AND WHAT I DID HERE WAS I TRIED TO CENTER CAUSE THE PAVEMENT IS NOT CHANGING HERE.

SO I TRIED TO CENTER THE PAVEMENT HERE.

SO YOU CAN KIND SEE HOW THIS RIGHT WAY IS FLUCTUATING ON THE EXISTING OPERATION YOU CAN SEE IS IN 50 FEET OF RIDING WAY.

UH, SO I DIDN'T DO THE, THE 55, THE 50 CAUSE THAT'S PRIOR TO THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE IT'S PRETTY SMALL.

AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE EVER WALKED, UM, I USED TO BE A RUNNER, UM, PRE TIME AND WHEN YOU WERE FRONT OUT HERE, YOU WOULD BE RUNNING IN THE STREET BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE OBSTACLES IN THE PARKWAY SIDEWALK.

SO THE ENHANCEMENT WOULD BE THIS 12 FEET.

SO THAT GETS PEDESTRIANS UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALK.

IT'S ALSO IN THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY.

SO THIS ALSO WOULD BE IN COMPLY WITH THAT.

OH, THIS SECTION OF WOOD STREET CURRENTLY EXISTS AS A VARYING RIGHT WAY WITH MOST OF THE SECTION 50 TO FEET OF RIGHT ABOVE 36 FEET OF F OR 69 FEET OF RIGHT AWAY WITH 37 FEET OF PAVEMENT.

THE LADDERS AT THE INTERSECTION OF WOOD AND BRICKMAN STREET, THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD MODIFY THE PLAN TO 60 FEET OF RIGHT IS BE 30 FEET OF RIGHT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ESTABLISHED CENTER LINE AND THE EXISTING 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT PER OCCUR.

UNDER THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THERE WOULD BE 12 FEET PARKWAY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE ROADWAY IN THE PUBLIC DRIVEWAY.

AND THE DEVELOPER IS PROPOSING TO ALLOCATE AN ADDITIONAL TWO TO THREE FEET OF SPACE ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR A TOTAL OF 14 TO 15 FEET.

SPACE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE ROADWAY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND CITY COMMISSION DIRECTOR COMMITTEE IS ALSO RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

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WE SIMPLY DESIGNATE PARKWOOD.

WE DON'T DESIGNATE SIDEWALK VERSUS CLIP IN YOUR EAR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS CORRECT? CORRECT.

THANKS.

JUST ON THE BOTTOM ONE, DOES IT SAY 18 UNDER THE CARD? IT DOES.

ALL OF THESE, UM, SLIDES ARE GONNA BE IN YOUR BACK SHEET IN YOUR PACKET.

SO JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

SO WE'RE ADDING FIVE FEET TO THE NORTH SIDE, BUT UNTIL THAT DEVELOPER COMES IN AND LEADS TO IT, IT'S NOT A MEAL.

THANK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GREAT, THANK YOU.

LUNCH, IT'S AMINA.

CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH A ROLL CALL? YES, SIR.

PRESENT DISTRICT SEVEN VACANT.

DISTRICT ONE, SHE'S THERE.

PRESENT DISTRICT TWO, PRESENT DISTRICT THREE.

PRESENT DISTRICT FOUR, PRESENT DISTRICT FIVE, PRESENT DISTRICT SIX.

DISTRICT EIGHT, PRESENT.

DISTRICT NINE.

DISTRICT NINE IS PRESENT.

DISTRICT 10, ABSENT DISTRICT 11, DISTRICT 12.

SHE'S PRESENT.

DISTRICT 13, PRESENT.

DISTRICT 14 HERE AND PLACE 15.

GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES, GENTLEMEN, WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, JULY 20TH, 2020 3, 12 30 6:00 PM COUPLE OF VERY QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.

UM, DOWN HERE AT THIS LITTLE TABLE, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM TO YOUR RIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS.

PLEASE ASK YOU TO FILL ONE OF THESE OUT.

WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US HERE TODAY.

UH, THIS MEETING IS A HYBRID MEETING.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SPEAKERS AND SOME COMMISSIONERS ONLINE.

I WILL ASK ALL OF OUR SPEAKERS, UM, THAT ARE REMOTE TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON WHEN YOU SPEAK.

STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT WE SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.

ALL SPEAKERS WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.

MS. PATINA WILL KEEP TIME AND LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.

UH, I WILL ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO PLEASE BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

ALSO, PER OUR RULES, IN CASES WHERE WE HAVE OPPOSITION, THE APPLICANT WILL RECEIVE A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.

UM, AND WITH THAT WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

COMMISSIONERS, UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES? MR. CHAIR? COMMISSIONER YOUNG? UH, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE JULY 6TH, 2023 CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING AS AMENDED.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. CASE NUMBER ONE, MS. BLUE.

ITEM NUMBER ONE D 2 23 DASH 0 0 4.

UH, APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON A PROPERLY ZONED PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SUB, I'M SORRY, SUB DISTRICT 1 64 AND SUB AREA A WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTHFIELD STREET AND RIVER STREET.

SOUTH RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? GOOD AFTERNOON.

ALEX RATHMAN WITH KIMLEY HORN, 13 4 55 NOEL ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS.

JUST WANNA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. RATHMAN? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? C AND NONE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF D 2 23 0 4

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? SEE? AND NONE.

ITEM NUMBER TWO M 2 23 DASH 0 0 8.

AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT SCREENING PLAN FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL ON A PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 53 SUB AREA A GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE EAST CORNER OF PRESTON ROAD AND ORCHID LANE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL, ACTUALLY, MS. BLUE, THESE ARE, UH, THESE WERE NOTICED AS CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. SO IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD AND, UH, READ THE FOUR ITEMS INTO THE RECORDS.

TWO THROUGH 4, 2, 3, 3 ITEMS. TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

AND WE'LL TAKE 'EM UP IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ONE UP.

DO I NEED TO READ ONE AGAIN OR TWO AGAIN? NO, JUST THREE AND FOUR.

ITEM NUMBER THREE M 2 23 DASH ZERO 14.

AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO EXISTING SITE PLAN FOR, FOR A PACIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 24 43 FOR A OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON THE PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 4 87 SUB AREA A GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH PARK STREET AND WEST NINTH STREET.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION APPROVAL ITEM NUMBER FOUR D 2 23 DASH 0 0 3 A APPLICATION TO CREATE A NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL ON THE PROPERTY ZONE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 53 SUB AREA B.

GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE EAST CORNER OF PRESTON ROAD AND ORCHID LANE.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THO THOSE THREE ITEMS, CASES TWO, THREE, AND FOUR WILL BE DISPOSED OF IN ONE MOTION UNLESS THERE'S SOMEONE HERE THAT, THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM.

IT'S ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF THE DOCKET, THE, ACTUALLY THE SECOND PAGE OF THE AGENDA.

UH, WE DO HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER THAT I BELIEVE WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, UH, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON ANY OF THESE THREE ITEMS? OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER STANDARD, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? IT'S, IT IS JUST CASE TWO, THREE AND FOUR CASES TWO, THREE AND FOUR.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD PLEASE.

IN THE MATTER OF, SHOULD I READ OUT THE ZONING ONES IN THE MATTER OF CASES TWO, THREE, AND FOUR? I, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR YOUR MOTION.

AND MAY I HAVE COMMENTS IF I WANT TO? YOU DO HAVE COMMENTS? THANK YOU.

ABSOLUTELY.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT SECOND THE MOTION FOR THE THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. WE HAVE COMMENTS.

UH, AM I UP PLEASE? OKAY.

CODES STARTED APPLYING, WHICH WERE QUITE DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THIS BUILDING AND THEY WEREN'T TAKE HAVING MORE NEW LAND.

HERE ARE MY COMMENTS.

I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE ON OUR DOCKET AND STAFF REPORTS, IT LOOKS SO SIMPLE LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES.

AND I WANT TO THANK ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THIS ENDED UP BEING VERY CONVOLUTED CASE AT ST.

MARK'S AND ALL DUE TO A NATURAL DISASTER.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, AFTER THAT NATURAL DISASTER, THERE WERE ALL SORTS OF STRANGE WEIRD THINGS.

FOR INSTANCE, ST.

MARK'S TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR PLANTED 16 BEAUTIFUL MAGNOLIA TREES WHERE SOME NIAS HAD BEEN.

AND LITTLE DID WE KNOW BECAUSE FOR 75 YEARS, ST.

MARK'S KIND OF THOUGHT IT WAS JUST THEIR PROPERTY.

AND UNDERNEATH THIS WAS A WATER PIPE FROM 1946.

AND SO WE HAD TO GET THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES INVOLVED.

WE LEARNED, WHICH WE DO HERE AT CPC, WE LEARN THAT YOU CAN REPLACE A WATER PIPE BY HYDRAULICS.

YOU CAN JUST DIG DOWN AND SEND THE PIPE OUT, YOU KNOW, ALMOST HALF THE, UH, AREA OF A FOOTBALL FIELD AND REPLACE A PIPE.

AND NO LONGER DO YOU HAVE TO DIG UP ALL OF THE GRASS, BUT THAT WAS JUST ONE THING THAT HAPPENED.

SO THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE THEN EVEN THOUGH THIS WAS A RELATIVELY NEW BUILDING, ALSO WHAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE IS THAT IN REBUILDING IT, THE NEW 2019

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BUT IT ALL COMES TO SAY THAT THE COOPERATION OF ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS IN THIS IS WHAT HAS ENABLED US TO BE HERE TODAY.

THE FACT THAT THE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES WAS ABLE TO COMPROMISE THE FACT THAT PHIL IRWIN WAS ABLE TO COMPROMISE.

AND I WANT TO COMPLEMENT DONNA MORMAN AND TESSA ON THE WORK THAT THEY DID ON THIS AND HOW THEY COMPROMISE IN RECOGNIZING THAT ST.

MARKS SUFFERED THIS DUE TO A TORNADO IN 2019 THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

AND I FEEL LIKE THE CITY REALLY CAME TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY.

SO THANK YOU.

I HOPE YOU WILL VOTE IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STANDARD.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

SEEING NONE.

A ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. BELIEVE.

OH MY GOSH.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE, AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 5 43 IN AN AREA BOUNDED BY RIGGER AVENUE, PAULS AVENUE, COVINGTON LANE, AND NORTH GLASGOW DRIVE.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A REVISED EXHIBIT 5 43.

A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, REVISED EXHIBIT 4 33 B, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND REVISED CONDITIONS.

CASE NUMBER IS Z 2 1 12 2 37.

HAVE TO TAKE THIS ONE BY ITSELF CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE HELD.

OH, I CAME HERE.

SO COMMISSIONERS, WHAT WE'VE TAKEN, UH, CASE FIVE AND SEVEN OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FIVE IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 7TH, UH, AND SEVEN, UH, WAS ALREADY PULLED OFF PREVIOUSLY.

SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA TAKE EACH CASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OF THE ZONING CASES SEPARATELY.

WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER FIVE.

THAT WAS JUST READ INTO THE RECORD BY DR.

UDRA.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER FIVE ON PAGE THREE Z 2 12 2 37.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SENIOR NONE.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO THANK YOU.

IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO 12 DASH 2 37, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER OPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER 7TH, WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING NEXT MONTH.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, VICE CHAIR ROOM FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

NUMBER SIX, PLEASE, MR. MULKEY.

ITEM SIX, CASE C TWO 12 DASH THREE 12.

AN APPLICATION FOR AN EXPANSION OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 7 61, THE DALLAS LOGISTICS PORT SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON PROPERTIES OWNED IN AA AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LANCASTER, HUTCHINS ROAD AND WITT ROAD.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MULKEY.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF THE 2 12 3 12, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS PLEASE? COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE, WHAT SHOULD GO IN PD 7 61, SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE TO EXPAND IT IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

NUMBER SEVEN.

THANK YOU MR. MULKEY.

MUSICAL CHAIRS.

ITEM NUMBER SEVEN Z 2 23 1 38 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL MERCHANDISER FOOD STORE.

3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS ON PROPERTIES OWNED AN RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT WITH DID RESTRICTIONS, UH, Z 8 8 23, 3 91, AND A D ONE LAKE CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE EAST LINE ON NORTH WAGNER BOULEVARD AND

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NORTH OF CHANEL STREET.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE-YEAR PERIODS, SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER SEVEN? YES, SIR.

THERE'S A LITTLE BUTTON THERE.

THAT'S SOME HIGH TECHNOLOGY.

PERFECT.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

AND, UH, MR. CHAIR FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS DANIEL BOX AND I'M A ZONING ATTORNEY WITH WINSTED PC WITH OFFICES LOCATED AT 27 28 NORTH HARWOOD.

UH, I'LL BE BRIEF.

I'M HERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I, AS WELL AS A FEW REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APPLICANT ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE DO ENTER INTO ANY, UH, QUESTIONS AND BACK AND FORTH.

I DID WANNA SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS JUST TO, UH, ADD SOME CLARIFICATION TO THE BACKGROUND OF THE SITE.

WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE AN S U P THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY GRANTED TO ALLOW ALCOHOL SALES AT THE SITE WAS LEFT TO EXPIRE.

NOW THAT WAS THE APPLICANT'S MISTAKE.

IT DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES.

WE ARE HERE DEALING WITH RACETRACK, WHICH OF COURSE IS A RATHER LARGE CORPORATION WITH HUNDREDS OF STORES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, INCLUDING TEXAS.

AND SO A MISTAKE WAS MADE IN WHICH WE DID NOT GO FORWARD AND PURSUE THE RENEWAL OF, UH, THE AUTO RENEWAL BACK IN 2018.

RACETRACK WAS NEVER, NEVER RECEIVED A CITATION OR A VIOLATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR ALCOHOL SALES.

IT WAS RACETRACK WHO REALIZED THE MISTAKE WAS MADE, AND AS SOON AS THEY DID, THEY SEIZED ALL SALE OF ALCOHOLS AT THE, OF ALL, ALL SALES OF ALCOHOL AT THE STORE.

NOW, JUST TO GET SOME, UH, MORE SPECIFICITY, UH, WE DID GO BACK TO OUR RECORDS TO REALLY BREAK THAT DOWN.

AND OUR LAST INVOICE THAT WE HAVE FOR ALCOHOL SALES GOES BACK TO AUGUST OF LAST YEAR.

UH, THE LAST SALE THAT WE EVER MADE, UH, OR I'M, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE DOORS, THE FRIDGES FOR ALCOHOL WERE LOCKED ONSITE IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

AND THEN THE PROCESS TO BEGIN REMOVING THE LIQUOR FROM THE STORE BEGAN IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

NOW, THE REMOVAL PROCESS IS RATHER LENGTHY BECAUSE OF SOME PROCEDURES SET IN PLACE BY T A B C.

SO HAVING SPOKEN WITH ANDREA, I KNOW THAT SHE MADE A STOP AT THE STORE AND STILL FOUND THAT THERE WERE SOME, THERE WAS WINE LOCATED AT THE STORE.

SO, JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, AT THAT TIME, AND SINCE SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR, NO ALCOHOL SALES WHATSOEVER HAVE TAKEN PLACE ON SITE.

THAT WINE WAS STILL THERE BECAUSE IT WAS STILL BEING REMOVED FROM THE STORE.

AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE ADDED ADDITIONAL COVERING TO THAT WINE TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO CONFUSION WHATSOEVER.

RACETRACK HAS ENGAGED IN A LOT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UH, FOR THIS CASE.

WE'VE DONE SITE VISITS, WE'VE, UH, DONE A DRIVE-THROUGH OF THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UH, JUST TO SEE SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT THEY'VE MADE TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE'VE ALSO SAT DOWN AND HAD COMMUNITY MEETINGS AS WELL WITH OTHER LEADERS AT ALL OF THESE EVENTS.

WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM GEORGIA FLY IN IN ORDER TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND WITHOUT WANTING TO PUT NEIGHBOR, UH, WITHOUT WANTING TO PUT WORDS IN OUR, UH, NEIGHBOR'S MOUTHS.

UH, WE BELIEVE THAT, THAT THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FOR THEM EVIDENCE THAT WE ARE, UH, STRIVING TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, GOOD MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, AND THERE IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT, UH, ON FILE.

SO WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.

QUESTIONS FOR MR. BOX.

UM, I NOTICED THAT THE, UH, REQUEST WAS THAT THEY COME BACK TWO YEARS, UM, AND THEN HAVE AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

COULD IT BE CONSIDERED, UM, AT THAT TIME NOT TO MAKE THOSE RENEWALS AUTOMATIC? IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS STANDING OUT? I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CLARIFY THAT PROCESS.

YEAH, IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION.

UM, IN MY OPINION, LOOKING AT THE CASE, LOOKING AT THE AREA, THE APARTMENTS, THE ALCOHOL, UM, I KNOW THAT AREA VERY WELL.

I DO BELIEVE WE ALL NEED ALCOHOL.

NO, UM, I DO BELIEVE, UM, WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT, UM, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW SCHOOLS THAT ARE COMING UP IN TWO YEARS.

I WANT, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COME BACK FOR A CHANCE AT RENEWAL, BUT NOT FOR AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

UM, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THIS SOUNDS LIKE DISCUSSION ON A MOTION, WHICH WE CAN HAVE MOMENTARILY, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE.

NO PROBLEM.

WE'RE STILL AT QUESTIONS NOW.

WE'LL GET TO THE DISCUSSION IN A MINUTE.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, PLEASE.

IN RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S QUESTION FROM THIS MORNING, I CHECKED THAT SCHOOL WAS NOT APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND IT EXCEEDS BY FAR THE DISTANCE SET IN THE CHAPTER SIX FOR ALCOHOL.

SO THERE'S, THERE ARE NO SCHOOLS, NO CHURCHES WITHIN

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300 FEET OF THE AREA.

THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

NO PROBLEM.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? OKAY, NOW WE GO TO A MOTION AND DISCUSSION.

YES, THANK YOU.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 1 38, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, BUT FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS AS BRIEFED.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER STAN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

SO I CAME INTO THIS ONE A LITTLE LATE IN THE GAME SINCE THERE'S NOW A THREE VACANCY IN DISTRICT SEVEN, WHICH I THINK COMMISSIONER REALER WILL BE REJOINING US PROBABLY NEXT MONTH.

UM, BUT I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL FOLKS, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT, UM, THROUGH MR. BOX, UM, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, THE FERGUSON, VICKY, VICKY MARTIN FROM THE FERGUSON ROAD COMMISSION, UH, FERGUSON ROAD INITIATIVE, AND ALSO, UH, FORMER COMMISSIONER WHEELER WHO WILL BE REJOINING US, UM, HOPEFULLY NEXT MONTH.

AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE APPLICANT REALLY WORKED HARD TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY HERE AND GARNERED SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY FLYING FOLKS IN FROM GEORGIA FOR MULTIPLE MEETINGS, UM, ON THIS ONE.

AND THERE REALLY DOES SEEM TO BE A CONSENSUS HERE THAT FIVE YEARS WITHOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, UM, MAKES SENSE FOR THIS SITE.

AND IT HAS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, FULL SUPPORT OF NEIGHBORS FOR THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD.

UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO EVERYONE INVOLVED AND, UM, HOPE Y'ALL CAN SUPPORT THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS, UH, THERE ARE ADEQUATE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS A, A PROPER USE.

I DO WANT TO BRIEFLY COMMENT AND PERHAPS SERMONIZE ON THE ILLEGAL SALE OF ALCOHOL AT THIS LOCATION FROM 2018 UNTIL 2022.

I ACCEPT THAT THIS WAS THROUGH INADVERTENT AND IN GOOD FAITH AND THAT THERE WAS NO ULTERIOR MOTIVE.

BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, I HAVE TO ANNUALLY, UH, REVIEW, RENEW MY LAW LICENSE IN ORDER TO PRACTICE AND MY BOARD CERTIFICATION EVERY SIX YEARS, I HAVE TO RENEW MY DRIVER'S LICENSE EVERY YEAR I HAVE TO RENEW MY VEHICLE REGISTRATION.

UH, YES, I DON'T HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TO DO THAT FOR, BUT NEITHER DO I HAVE PAID STAFF WHO CAN BE PUT IN CHARGE OF DOING THAT.

IT SEEMS TO ME IT IS NOT A DIFFICULT UNDERTAKING TO HAVE A SPREADSHEET SOMEWHERE THAT SHOWS FOR ALL THE RACETRACK LOCATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES, UH, OR ELSEWHERE, UH, WHEN THE ZONING PERMIT, IF ANY, NEEDS TO BE RENEWED.

AND I AM CONTINUALLY SHOCKED AT THE LARGE CORPORATIONS.

WE HAD A CASE INVOLVING MCDONALD'S CORPORATION, UH, A FEW MONTHS AGO, UH, THAT, THAT DON'T TEND TO THEIR BUSINESS AND AS A RESULT VIOLATE VARIOUS CITY ORDINANCES.

SO, UH, WITH THAT, UH, END OF SERMON GO IN PEACE.

AMEN.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SO YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

UH, ITEM EIGHT K C 2 1 12 307.

THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR MU THREE MIXED USE DISTRICT USES ON PROPERTIES OWNED AND RR REGIONAL RETAIL DISTRICT AND M MU ONE MIXED USE DISTRICT AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 8 0 4 ON THE NORTH LINE OF WALNUT HILL LANE BETWEEN NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY AND MANVILLE.

LANE STAFF'S.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A DEVELOPMENT PLAN, A TREE PRESERVATION PLAN, A PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT PHASING PLAN, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. MALKEY.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? JUST AS AN FY THIS MATTER IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL AUGUST 3RD.

NUMBER EIGHT.

PARDON ME? NUMBER EIGHT.

NUMBER EIGHT? YES.

OR ANY OF OUR ONLINE SPEAKERS ON THIS CASE? NO.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? UM,

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IN THE MATTER OF Z TWO 12 DASH 3 0 7, UH, I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNTIL AUGUST 3RD.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR YOUR MOTION AND VICE CHAIR RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU MR. MULKEY.

CASE NUMBER NINE, MR. PEPPY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

NUMBER ITEM NUMBER NINE IS Z 2 12 3 42.

IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO CLAIM DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER FIVE 12 ON THE WEST CORNER OF EAST STARK ROAD AND SEVILLE ROAD.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED CONDITIONS, A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AS BRIEFED.

I'LL SEAT THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

CARL CROWLEY 2201 MAIN STREET REPRESENTING THE D I S D AND THERE'S REQUEST, THIS IS SEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL, SITS ON A 100 ACRE TRACK.

I EFFECTIONATELY CALL IT THE 100 ACRE FOREST BECAUSE THERE IS A FOREST THERE.

I'VE NEVER SEEN WINNIE THE POO OUT THERE.

IF YOU'RE WONDERING THOUGH, SO JUST LET YOU KNOW.

UM, THIS, UH, AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW, UH, THE D I S D TO BUILD A, UH, CLASSROOM WING THAT WILL EFFECTIVELY BE A NINTH GRADE CENTER.

IT'S NOT REALLY CALLED THAT, BUT THAT'S THE, THE PURPOSE OF IT MOSTLY.

UM, THIS ALSO THEN ALLOWS US TO, TO MOVE THAT TRAFFIC RELATED, UM, PART OF THE, OF THE WHOLE EQUATION TO, UM, THIS SCHOOL.

AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE BEEN BRIEFED ON IT, UM, HAS TWO SETS OF PARKING LOTS, UM, THAT ARE SET BACK.

UH, ONE OF 'EM, THE, THE ONE OFF OF SEAVILLE ROAD IS SET BACK VERY FAR FROM THE STREET.

YOU PROBABLY CAN'T EVEN SEE THE CARS THERE SO FAR BACK FROM THE STREET.

BUT THE OTHER PARKING LOT OFF OF STARK ROAD WOULD BE EFFECTIVELY THE NINTH GRADE AREA AND THE BUS FOR THIS, FOR THIS SITE.

UM, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS SITE SERVES MOST, A LOT OF IT SERVES THE, THE CITY OF SEVILLE CUZ IT'S IN THE D I S D SEVILLE SCHOOLS ARE IN THE D I S D.

UM, AND, UH, LAST NIGHT, BASICALLY LAST NIGHT, UH, MS. BLAIR AND, UH, HUNTER LEMLEY, THE, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, BOUNCED BACK IDEAS ON EMAILS THAT I WAS PINGED AT THE SAME TIME WITH AND SORT OF REARRANGED THAT AND YOU WERE BRIEFED ON THAT.

UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE DAVID NAVARRES HAS LOOKED AT IT OR, UH, SEEMS TO BE OKAY WITH IT.

WE'RE OKAY WITH IT.

IT, WE DEBATED AND CHANGED IT A COUPLE TIMES PRIOR TO Y'ALL EVEN SEEING IT.

WE THINK IT WORKS OUT VERY GOOD.

UM, ANYWAY, THERE'S ALSO SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE DISTRICT IS, UH, AGREED TO ABOUT SOME SIDEWALKS AND SOME ADDITIONAL TREES AND STUFF.

IT IS A FOREST OUT THERE.

WE'RE WORKING WITH COOL SCHOOLS TO ACTUALLY DO SOME LANDSCAPING, ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND STUFF.

WE HAD, UH, COMMUNITY MEETINGS SENT OUT, UH, NOTICES TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE HUNDRED FEET, A HUNDRED ACRES.

I, WE , THERE'S LIKE TWO PEOPLE SHOWED UP AT THE MEETING AND I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY WERE THERE FOR THE SCHOOL.

UM, BUT, UH, WE HAVE, I HAVEN'T MADE ANY CALLS AND I DON'T THINK THE STAFF HAS, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS.

SO, UH, WE'RE HERE TO SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE, UH, CHANGED TMP.

SO, THANK YOU, SIR.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CRAWLEY? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I ONE PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER STANNER.

UM, MR. PEPE, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AND SINCE WE GOT THIS LATE, THAT YOU AND MR. NAVAREZ HAVE NOW HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER THE TMP? UH, YES.

WE, WE HAVE, UM, WE GOT A, WE GOT A HAND ON IT.

UM, WHAT I WILL SAY, UH, TYPICALLY WE, WE PREFER MORE TIME TO REVIEW, UH, AND IT'S, IT'S ATYPICAL.

UH, THAT SAID, WE APPRECIATE THAT THE CHANGE, UH, IT'S RELATIVELY SIMPLE CHANGE, UH, BUT IT MAKES A, A GOOD DIFFERENCE IN, UH, IMPROVING FLOW, UH, IN, IN OUR OPINION.

OKAY, GREAT.

COMMISSIONER, STANDARD COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

UM, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION IN THIS NEW NINTH GRADE CENTER? WILL THERE BE ANY REMOVAL OF THE TEMPORARY PORTABLES ON THE A HUNDRED ACRE PROPERTY? APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, UM, GENERALLY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE MAINTAINING THE NUMBER OF CLASSROOMS,

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BUT, UM, REGRADING SOME SPACE, UH, FOR EXISTING STUDENTS.

DID I MAYBE NOT CLASSROOMS, I MEANT ENROLLMENT, UH, BUT RE AGGREGATING SPACE FOR STUDENTS? YES.

UH, MR. CROWLEY, DO YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT ONE? CARL CARLY? AGAIN, AT THIS TIME, THERE'S NO, UM, UH, REMOVAL OF ANY OF THE PORTABLES WHEN, WHEN THE ADDITION'S DONE AND EVERYTHING IS, THE DUST IS SETTLED, THEY'LL REEVALUATE IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES, UM, I DO.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS, UM, IN THE MATTER OF THE 2 12 3 42, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO REVISED CONDITIONS AND REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND, AND REVISED TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AS BRIEFED AS BRIEF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

UM, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO, TO THANK D I S D WITH THIS AND, AND, UM, UM, THE TMP THAT ALLOWING ME AT THE LAST MINUTE.

I, I APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T DIG DEEP INTO IT WHEN IT CAME LAST WEEK.

OTHERWISE, UH, MY FELLOW, UH, COMMISSIONERS WOULD'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW A CHANGE PRIOR TO THE LAST MINUTE.

AND I, FOR THAT, I, I DO SINCERELY APOLOGIZE.

I DO BELIEVE THOUGH, THAT THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE IN THE TMP TRAFFIC PLAN, UM, IT'S SMOOTHER.

IT SEPARATES EVERYBODY.

AND AS YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, ONE OF MY, MY MAJOR PET PEEVES IS QUEUING ON THE STREETS.

THIS ELIMINATES QUEUING THE, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY TYPE OF QUEUING ON THE STREET, ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS AREA THAT HAS INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIENCY.

UM, UM, THIS IS A WONDERFUL AREA BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY WOODED AND IT DOES HAVE SOME OLD POST OAKS.

I, IF ANY WAY TO SAVE A TREE, ONE OF THESE OLD POST OAKS, I WOULD LOVE TO DO SO.

UM, I CANNOT STRESS THE FACT THAT THE BEAUTY OF THE RAWNESS OF IT.

SO WITH THAT, I JUST ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THIS AND WE CAN MOVE IT ON.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.

I JUST WANT TO COMMEND COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR HER WORK ON THIS CASE.

UH, WHEN I REVIEWED THE DOCKET ON SUNDAY, UH, I EMAILED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE T M P AND, UH, COPIED COMMISSIONER BLAIR ON IT AND WITHIN 10 MINUTES I GOT BACK.

I'M ON TOP OF IT.

WE'RE GONNA FIX IT AND, UH, IT'S FIXED.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER HERBERT? JUST A QUICK ONE.

THIS IS, UM, JUST A GENERAL COMMENT WHEN WE'RE INVESTING TIME IN PROPERTY, RIGHT, UM, JUST CONSIDER THOSE TEMPORARY PORTABLES.

THE S EAGLEVILLE SCHOOL IS A BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS.

UM, WE'RE ADDING MORE BEAUTY TO IT.

UM, JUST, I'M GONNA ALWAYS HAVE THAT QUESTION WHEN I SEE TEMPORARY PORTABLES ON SITE.

UM, SO I HOPE D I S D BE PREPARED TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.

I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

WE'LL NOW MOVE TO CASE NUMBER 10.

ITEM NUMBER 10 Z 2 23.

1 31 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT ON PROPERTIES ON THE GR GENERAL RETAIL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 93, THE OAK LAWN SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT AT THE WEST CORNER OF LEMON AVENUE AND HERSCHEL AVENUE.

RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO SITE PLANNING AND CONDITIONS.

I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

THANK YOU FOR FILLING OUT THAT YELLOW

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CARD.

YES, SIR.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, GREAT.

UH, MATT COPENHAVER, UH, I'M WITH SALAD AND GO.

UH, 14 800 LANDMARK BOULEVARD, UH, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,254.

UH, MR. CHAIR COMMISSION.

THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TODAY.

UH, I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH A NUMBER OF YOU, UM, DIRECTLY, BUT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO I HAVEN'T, UM, SALAD AND GO IS A VERTICALLY INTEGRATED FOOD RETAILER, MEANING WE OWN THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION AND TRANSPORTATION FOR OUR GOODS, UH, AND DO SO OFFSITE.

UH, RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, DISTRICT FOUR, UH, WHERE WE ARE.

THIS ALLOWS US TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY, UH, EFFICIENT IN OUR RETAIL STORES IN PRACTICE.

WHAT THAT TRANSLATES TO IS A, A SUB TWO MINUTE EXPERIENCE FROM THE TIME YOU PLACE AN ORDER AT THE MENU BOARD TO THE TIME YOU LEAVE WITH YOUR FOOD.

YOU KNOW, LESS TIME THAN I HAVE HERE TO, TO, TO SPEAK TODAY.

UM, WE CURRENTLY OPERATE 108 STORES IN FOUR STATES.

UH, AND IN THAT WE HAVE LEARNED HOW TO OPTIMIZE OUR QUEUING FOR OUR BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUND THAT 250 FEET OF COMBINED QUEUING TRANSLATES OR, UH, OF COMBINED QUEUING SATISFIES OUR PEAK DEMAND FROM, UH, 11:00 AM TO 2:00 PM AT THE SUBJECT SITE FOR COMPARISON.

UH, WE ARE PROVIDING 310 FEET OF STACKING.

THAT'S THREE TIMES WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.

UM, WE HAVE ENGAGED THE COMMUNITY IN A REAL WAY, UH, HOSTING MEETINGS WITH BOTH THE PERRY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THREE MEETINGS WITH THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE.

UM, WE HAVE GONE DOOR TO DOOR TO EVERY RESIDENT ON ROLLINS STREET, BETWEEN PRESCOTT AND REAGAN.

AS A RESULT, WE'VE RECEIVED RECEIVED A DOZEN LETTERS OF SUPPORT, INCLUDING UNCONDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM THE OAKLAWN COMMITTEE.

I BELIEVE YOU ALL SAW THE PACKET THAT WE HAD SENT IN ADVANCE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE LETTERS WERE IN THE BACK FOR, FOR YOUR, UH, REFERENCE.

WE'VE WORKED WITH STAFF TIRELESSLY TO ENSURE THAT OUR PLAN IS NOT ONLY COMPLIANT WITH PD 1 93, BUT HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND INTRODUCING AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY SCREEN WALL AT THE REAR ORIENTING, REFUSE COLLECTION AND ORDER SPEAKERS AWAY FROM THE ALLEY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

INCREASED LANDSCAPE SCREENING AND ADHERENCE TO ALL REQUIRED BUFFERS.

INSTALLATION OF A PROC, A PROPER BUS SHELTER, 100% AT OUR COST, UH, INTRODUCTION OF OUTDOOR SEATING AND DESIGNED FLOW TO ALLOW FRICTIONLESS PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.

UH, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT DONE OR PROVIDED AT ANY LOCATION, UH, THAT WE OWN OR OPERATE TODAY.

UM, FURTHER, WE HAVE ADJUSTED OUR SITE PLAN TO INCREASE ONSITE CUSTOMER PARKING IN ADDITION TO SECURING AN OFFSITE PARKING AGREEMENT.

UM, AND WE'VE DONE SO DESPITE BEING APPROVED AT ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS AS IS.

UM, WE SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF ON THIS PROJECT, INITIALLY TOLD WE WERE ZONED BY RIGHT, ONLY TO BE TOLD 10 MONTHS LATER, WE WERE INCORRECTLY INFORMED.

SINCE WE HAVE GAINED SUPPORTIVE STAFF, THE BROADER COMMUNITY AND THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, THE S U P IS BEING CONDITIONED WITH FIVE YEAR SUNSET.

AND I WOULD FURTHER OFFER THAT THE CITY CONDITION THIS S U UH, SOLELY FOR THE OPERATION OF A SALAD AND GO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF LEASING REAL ESTATE, SO WE HAVE NO INTENT, UH, UH, TO DO ANYTHING WITH THIS PROPERTY OTHER THAN, UH, OPEN AND OPERATE A, A SALAD AND GO.

AND WE HOPE TO SERVE.

YOUR TIME IS UP.

THANKS.

PLEASE STAND BY.

THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS FOR YOU NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US BACK AT CPC.

MY NAME IS DAVID GRATES AND I'M ON THE REAL ESTATE TEAM FOR SALAD NGO.

OUR ADDRESS IS 14,800 LANDMARK BOULEVARD, SUITE SEVEN 20 IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 75,254.

SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROJECT, THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY ADAMANT ABOUT COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

AS MATT JUST SAID, UH, SANGO HAS MET WITH THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE THREE TIMES.

THE FIRST WAS A CONCEPT INTRO AND A COURTESY REVIEW.

UH, SINCE AT THAT TIME WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE ZONED BY WRIGHT.

THE SECOND WAS A VIRTUAL MEETING THAT YIELDED A CONDITIONAL LETTER OF SUPPORT.

AND THE THIRD TIME WE RETURNED TO THEIR FIRST IN-PERSON MEETING SINCE COVID, UH, AFTER HAVING ADDRESSED THEIR CONCERNS AND RECEIVED A, UH, FULL LETTER OF SUPPORT, WE ALSO MET WITH THE PERRY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE WE WERE TOLD BY A MEMBER ON THEIR LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT THE HOA DOES NOT ISSUE LETTERS ON BEHALF OF THE HOA.

SO WE WOULD HAVE, SO WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO OBTAIN INDIVIDUAL LETTERS FROM THE RESIDENTS.

BASICALLY, A LETTER FROM THE HOA PRESIDENT AND A REGULAR RESIDENT WOULD WEIGH THE SAME TO THEM.

AFTER THE PRESENTATION, WE OFFERED, UH, PERSONAL CONTACT INFORMATION AND ENCOURAGED RESIDENTS TO REACH OUT IF THEY HAD ANY FURTHER CONCERNS.

AND AS A RESULT, WE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY FIVE EMAILS OF SUPPORT, INCLUDING FROM THE RESIDENT THAT LIVES DIRECTLY BEHIND THE SITE ITSELF.

WE HAND DELIVERED LETTERS TO EVERYONE ON RAWLIN STREET BETWEEN PRESCOTT AND WYCLIFFE, WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY LARGER AREA THAN THE NOTIFICATION ZONE, AND HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN SPEAK WITH A RESIDENT IN PERSON WHO WAS ALSO IN SUPPORT OF SAAL

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NGO AHEAD OF THE CPC AND CITY COUNCIL HEARINGS.

DURING THE NOTIFICATION PERIODS, SAL NGO RECEIVED NUMEROUS LETTERS OF SUPPORT AND NO OBJECTIONS.

WE HAVE ALSO HAD MULTIPLE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS ATTEND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SPEAK IN SUPPORT.

WE HAVE WILLINGLY SUBMITTED ALL LETTERS AND CORRESPONDENCE OF SUPPORT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.

THOUGH WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS RECEIVED LETTERS OF OBJECTION, NOTHING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED PUBLICLY, NOR HAS THE CITY OF DALLAS RECEIVED ANY OBJECTIONS DURING THE NOTIFICATION PERIODS OF CPC AND CITY COUNCIL.

OUTREACH IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND GIVEN THE SUPPORT WE'VE RECEIVED AND NO OBJECTIONS TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, IT'S ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THE CITY, STAFF, COMMUNITY AND RESIDENCE WANT US AT LEMAN AND HERSCHEL, WE ASK THAT YOU PLEASE RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR AN S U ON THIS SITE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY OF DALLAS ON THE FINE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM THAT YOU HAVE.

IT DOES WORK.

BILLY, I'M GLAD I WORE MY JACKET FOR THE FIRST TIME.

WE HAVE HEATERS UNDER THESE DESKS.

UH, CHAIRMAN SHEAD, MEMBERS OF THE PLAN COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS LELAND BURKE.

I LIVE AT 53 11 PARK LANE IN DALLAS.

WHILE I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNER ON LEMON AVENUE, I AM HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS S U P APPLICATION.

THIS LOCATION HAS BEEN VACANT FOR YEARS AND REMAINS A NUISANCE ON LEMON AVENUE AND TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

IT IS A SITE KNOWN FOR VAGRANCY DRUG USE AND ARRESTS.

REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL IS A MUST FOR THE CONTINUED AND IMPROVEMENT OF THE AREA SALAD AND GO NOT ONLY COMPLIED WITH ALL PD 1 93 REQUIREMENTS AND STAFF REQUIREMENTS REGARDING SETBACKS, SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPING, DUMPSTER, LOCATION AND SPEAKER BOX ORIENTATION.

BUT VOLUNTARILY AGREED TO ADD A MASONRY SCREENING WALL ON THE ALLEY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, CREATING TWO SCREENING WALLS BETWEEN PERRY HEIGHTS AND THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

NO ONE IN THE NOTICE AREA FILED ANY OPPOSITION BALLOTS ON THIS CASE WITH THE CITY, THE PERRY HEIGHTS RESIDENT THAT LIVES IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THIS LOCATION ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE ALLEY, STRONGLY SUPPORTS THIS S U P REQUEST, IF NOT ON LEMON AVENUE, THEN WHERE LEMON IS A SIX LANE DIVIDED ARTERY.

UNLIKE OAK LAWN, CEDAR SPRINGS, MAPLE AND MCKINNEY AVENUES, LEMON AVENUE WAS PURPOSEFULLY AND INTENTIONALLY NOT DESIGNATED AS A SPECIAL RETAIL STREET UNDER PD 1 93 AND THEREFORE HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE FOR DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS.

THE SUBJECT SIDE IS ONLY 19,250 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS SIMPLY TWO TINY FOR A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

IN CONCLUSION, I ENCOURAGE THE PLAN COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE'S SUPPORT AND TO ACCEPT DR.

URES AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL OF THIS S U P APPLICATION.

THIS USE WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE AND YOUR SUPPORT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE DON'T, DON'T GO TOO FAR.

MR. BARK.

THERE.

THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, SIR.

HI THERE.

MY NAME IS FRANK OPOLIS.

UH, OFFICE 46 45 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, UH, LIVE AT 15 TURTLE CREEK BEND.

I'M HERE TO IN FAVOR AND TO SUPPORT, UH, THE CASE TODAY AND, AND ASK THE THE COMMISSION, UH, TO APPROVE THE, TO PROCEED WITH THE CITY'S APPROVAL STAFF'S APPROVAL.

I OWN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY AT 44 11.

HAVE OWNED IT FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD THREE FIRES.

CON CONTINUOUS HOMELESSNESS, ENCAMP ENCAMPMENTS IN VANDALISM AND HARASSMENT FOR OUR, FOR ATTENDANCE AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

IT HAS BEEN A NIGHTMARE TO MAINTAIN EVEN THOUGH THEY FENCED THE PROPERTY, PEOPLE ARE BREAKING THE FENCE, JUMPING OVER THE FENCE.

THEY HAD FOUR PEOPLE LIVING IN THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY.

THIS USED TO BE A LONG ON SILVER, THEN IT BECAME A TITLE COMPANY STORE AND THAT DIDN'T MAKE SELL IT TO GO IS A HEALTHY, CLEAN USE FOR THIS PROPERTY.

IT IS A HEALTHY CHOICE.

IT'S AN AFFORDABLE CHOICE.

IT'S WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEEDS.

WE'RE SO HAPPY FOR THEM TO BE COMING IN.

THIS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE, IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

LEMON AVENUE, HERSCHEL PROSPER ARE DEAD

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END STREETS.

THEY DO NOT GO INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THESE WERE DESIGNED BY PURPOSE.

SO THE TRAFFIC, LEMON AVENUE DOES NOT GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF THAT DESIGN THAT DOESN'T ALLOW MIXED USE GOING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS SEPARATE ON COMMERCIAL USE ONLY.

UM, SO IF YOU LOOK AT TODAY, I DO RETAIL FOR OVER 40 YEARS.

DRIVE THROUGH WINDOWS FAST.

REGRESSOR AREN'T THE SAME ANYMORE.

THE DRIVE-THROUGH WINDOW KEPT CHIPOTLE'S IN BUSINESS.

JASON DELI'S STARBUCKS IN BUSINESS DURING HIS COVID TIME.

IT IS A CONVENIENCE FOR HOW PEOPLE EAT AND SHOP.

IT'S A PICKUP WINDOW, IT'S AN ORDER YOU ORDERED.

YOU GO PICK IT UP.

SO IT HAS A DIFFERENT PURPOSE THAN IT USED TO DO BACK 10, 20 YEARS AGO, EVEN FIVE YEARS AGO.

SO THE OPERATION HERE, MY KIDS LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE ALL EXCITED.

THEY'RE IN THEIR THIRTIES.

THIS IS A CHOICE THEY LIKE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, UM, MELISSA, I KNOW YOU AND I GO BACK.

THIS IS, THIS IS RIGHT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL CONSIDERATION.

COPENHAVER MATT COPENHAVER.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM IN SUPPORT OR IN OPPOSITION? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER STANDARD , UH, REALLY FAST.

UH, YES.

I'M TRYING TO THINK.

I I SUPPOSE IT'S MATTHEW.

I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR LAST NAME.

I'M SORRY.

I BEG YOUR PARDON? I SHOULD CALL YOU BY YOUR SURNAME.

OH, YOU'RE FINE.

APOLOGIZE.

UH, HERE'S MY QUESTION.

YOU SAID THAT ON SITE THERE ARE 310 FEET FOR STACKING, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

HOW, WHAT DOES THAT EQUATE TO? CARS OR CAR? CARS? 20.

WHAT ARE CARS? I BELIEVE IT'S ROUGHLY 17, 18 CARS.

I THINK WE HAVE IT IN THE PACKET THAT WE HAD SENT TO YOU, BUT IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE.

BUT, BUT BETWEEN 16 AND 18 VEHICLES AT ANY GIVEN TIME, AND THAT'S ONLY TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, WE ACTUALLY HAVE ADDITIONAL ROOM TO THE EDGE OF THE, THE STREET FRONTAGE PROBABLY ANOTHER 35, 40 FEET.

SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE EVER BACKING UP ONTO THE STREET.

WELL, BUT NEITHER DOES STARBUCKS.

BUT ANYWAY, BUT IT DOES HAPPEN.

I MEAN, I DO THINK THERE IS A CONSIDERATION FOR QUEUING ON A STREET, A REALLY THOROUGHFARE TYPE STREET LIKE LEMON.

SO, SO YOU INTO ABOUT, WE'D SAY ABOUT 16 CARBS AND WHAT WERE YOU SAYING ABOUT THERE'S ADDITIONAL SPACE? I DON'T QUITE GET THAT.

SO, AND, AND I'M SORRY IF YOU HAVE THE, THE DIAGRAM HERE.

UM, YEAH, IT'S HARD.

WHERE, WHERE WE, YEAH, WHERE WE WERE COUNTING TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS, IS I THINK 17 VEHICLES.

WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS IF YOU GO TO THE DRIVEWAY OUTSIDE OF LEMON, YOU HAVE ANOTHER 35, 40 FEET BEFORE YOU WOULD EVER HIT THE STREET FRONT.

SO WHAT WE CONSIDER OUR QUEUE IS ONLY TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TECHNICALLY.

I GOT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

UH, WE ARE JUST FULLY COMPLYING WITH THE, THE PHOTOMETRICS REQUIRED BY THE CITY, BUT IT'S ALL L E D LIGHTING.

THAT CLEAR.

THE, THE OTHER THING I WOULD MENTION JUST ABOUT THE LEMON AVENUE, UH, THOROUGHFARE.

SO TODAY THERE'S A FULL ACCESS POINT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY FURTHER DOWN TOWARDS HERSCHEL.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO HERE IS REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE DRIVEWAY.

SO IT'S INGRESS ONLY.

SO WE'VE TAKEN IT FROM A 35 FOOT DRIVEWAY DOWN TO A 15 FOOT DRIVEWAY.

MM-HMM.

ONLY INGRESS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONFLICT OF TRAFFIC BACK OUT ONTO, ONTO LEMON.

AND SO WE'RE UTILIZING HERSCHEL AS, UH, MR. MELOS SAID AS THE EGRESS, AS AS, AS EGRESS.

IT COULD ALSO BE USED FOR INGRESS AS WELL, CUZ THAT THAT DOES HAVE DIRECT ACCESS OFF OF LEMON.

BUT THAT'S A UNIQUE TO THIS SITE BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A DEDICATED STREET, IF YOU WILL, FOR US.

AND THE TACO BELL, UH, DIRECTLY SOUTH OF US, CUZ IT'S, IT DEAD ENDS RIGHT THERE AT THE SITE.

MM-HMM.

AND I HEARD, UH, ONE OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS TALKING ABOUT THE TODAY'S WORLD IS YOU ORDER IN ADVANCE AND YOU PICK UP THE SALADS.

OKAY, BUT WHAT ABOUT IF YOU DON'T ORDER IN ADVANCE, IF YOU'RE PULLING UP, WHAT ABOUT THOSE BOXES AND THE SOUND OF IT? UH, AND I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAD A DECIBEL STUDY IN HERE.

VERY, OH, I, I I CAN CAN'T GO WITH THOSE BECAUSE I'VE LEARNED THE HARD WAY THAT THE DECIBEL LEVEL BEFORE WE GET INTO CODE COMPLIANCE IS SO FAR BEYOND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEAH, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THEY'RE PRETTY, IF YOU'RE THE PEOPLE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE, HOW MUCH ARE YOU HEARING? YOU, YOU WON'T HEAR ANYTHING.

SO THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE ADJUSTABLE TOO AS WELL.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ACTUALLY ORIENT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT TACO BELL TODAY, THEIR SPEAKERS ORIENT DIRECTLY TOWARDS THE RESIDENCE.

WE'VE ROTATED OURS 90 DEGREES.

SO THEY, THEY ORIENT TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT TO THE, TO THE NORTH OF US.

SEPARATE FROM THAT, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TURN THE SPEAKER UP OR DOWN.

WE'VE NEVER HAD AN INSTANCE WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN A COMPLAINT ABOUT A SPEAKER.

YOU CANNOT HEAR IT BEYOND YOUR VEHICLE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY HIGH TECH THESE DAYS.

SO WE HAVE NOT RUN THAT INTO THAT AS AN ISSUE.

AND WE HAVE SEVERAL UNITS THROUGHOUT OUR PORTFOLIO EQUALLY AS CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL AS MM-HMM.

AS THIS MM-HMM.

AND LASTLY, WHAT IS YOUR LIGHTING PLAN?

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ONE, ONE THING IS WE, WE CLOSE AT, UH, 9:00 PM SO WE'RE NOT OPEN SUPER LATE.

UH, I THINK THE TACO BELL NEXT TO US IS 24 7, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE COMPLYING FULLY WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED BY, BY CODE.

AND IT WOULD BE ALL L E D LIGHTING.

AND I'M JUST WAS CONCERNED YOU DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THIS ABOUT THE HEIGHT AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORS, THE SPILLOVER.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.

HI.

YOU APPEAR TO HAVE A PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU.

WERE YOU DESIRING TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSION? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHERE WE HAVE THAT IN OUR MATERIALS.

I HAD SENT IT IN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT DISTRIBUTED.

UM, I CAN CERTAINLY PASS THIS ONE AROUND.

IT'S A HARD COPY.

I I I THINK YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION IT SOUNDS LIKE IN THERE THAT MIGHT HAVE ADDRESSED SOME QUESTIONS.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A WAY TO GET THAT DISTRIBUTED TO THE FULL COMMISSION? I, I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU SENT IT TO.

I SENT, I HAD SENT IT TO, UH, STAFF AND, UH, CHAIR.

SHE DID.

BUT APOLOGIES, I, UNLESS, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE DAYS FOR ME.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE RECEIVED IT.

UM, CHAIR NEED, WE WILL LOOK.

I DO YOU HAVE IT ELECTRONICALLY? YEAH.

AND COULD PRESENT IT.

I, I DON'T KNOW.

UM, IF THAT'S ALSO AN OPTION, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

DO WE, DO WE WANT TO EMAIL IT TO SOMEBODY OR? YEAH.

MY APOLOGIES.

WE GET SO MANY EMAILS, SOMETIMES WE DON'T FORWARD THEM ALL.

NO, NO WORRIES TO MS. SINA.

IF IT'S HELPFUL, I CAN PASS.

IT'S OKAY.

I I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S LOOKING AT THE SAME THING SO THAT IT'S PART OF THE RECORD.

WHILE, WHILE WE GET THAT DISTRIBUTED, DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RUBIN? I'VE SLEPT A FEW TIMES SINCE Y'ALL WERE WITH US THE FIRST TIME.

IS THAT THE SAME PRESENTATION THAT YOU PROVIDED? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO IT'S, IT'S PREVIOUSLY AT THE CPC, TWICE AT CITY COUNCIL AND, AND GREAT.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

THERE WERE, THERE WERE NO CHANGES.

THERE WAS NOT.

THERE'S, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

IT'S THE SAME PRESENTATION BEFORE.

SO, UH, I KNOW YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION, A ZOOM MEETING, AND YOU, YOU DID SOME RESEARCH INTO THE QUEUING MM-HMM.

FOR THIS LOCATION VERSUS OTHERS.

I WONDER IF YOU COULD KIND OF SUMMARIZE THAT CONVERSATION THAT YOU NOT HAD.

YEAH, SURE.

SO WE, AND, AND I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN EXACTLY IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THE AVERAGE ROUGHLY ACROSS OUR ENTIRE PORTFOLIO WAS AROUND 282 FEET OF QUEUING.

SO THAT'S AVERAGE ACROSS 108 SITES THAT WE HAVE.

AND SO HERE WE'RE PROVIDING 310, SO WE'RE ABOVE THE AVERAGE OF WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO.

UM, SO THAT'S ACROSS 108 LOCATIONS IN FOUR STATES AS I MENTIONED.

SO, AND I THINK THAT YOU SHARED WITH ME SOME, UH, SOME GOOGLE EARTH SHOTS AND, UH, IT APPEARS THAT, AT LEAST WHAT I SAW THERE, THE QUEUING LENGTH DOESN'T SEEM SEEM TO BE A PROBLEM AT YOUR LOCATIONS.

AND I, I THINK I VISITED TWO, ONE NEAR, IN FACT, MY HOME, UM, ON COIT.

ANY ISSUES THAT YOU'VE SEEN? NO, WE HAVE FOUR OPEN AND OPERATING TODAY, OR SORRY, THREE OPEN AND OPERATING TODAY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, MARSH AND WALNUT HILL, COIT AND BELTLINE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

AND THEN ROSS AND GARRETT, UM, UH, HERE IN, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY DISTRICT 14 AS WELL, BUT, UM, NEVER HAVE WE SEEN, SEEN AN ISSUE IN THIS PACKET, WHICH WE HAD PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY.

WE ACTUALLY DO A PHOTO STUDY OF EVERY 15 MINUTES OF THE QUEUING.

AND WE NEVER SAW QUEUING BEYOND 16, I THINK IT WAS 16 OR 17 CARS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING HERE.

AND IT WAS FOR A VERY SMALL WINDOW OF TIME RIGHT AT THE LUNCH RUSH.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE ALWAYS DESIGNED TO IS THAT KIND OF HIGH WATERMARK, IF YOU WILL.

AND, UH, WHILE WE GET THAT EMAIL DISTRIBUTED, WE'LL WE'LL GO.

A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

MR. BURKE, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.

MR. BUR, YOU, YOU MENTIONED A, UH, A PARTICULAR ITEM IN PD 1 93 THAT, THAT YOU FOUND ESPECIALLY, UH, IMPORTANT FOR THIS APPLICATION.

AND YOU MENTIONED IT IN YOUR COMMENTS.

I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE YOU CAN, UH, UH, TELL US ABOUT THAT AGAIN.

I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE, THE SPECIAL RETAIL STREET.

THE, UM, CERTAIN, UH, THOROUGHFARES ARE DESIGNATED FOR, UM, BEAR WITH ME A SECOND.

I WONDER IF YOU COULD EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

WELL, THE, UM, I BELIEVE IN PD 1 93,

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UH, I LEFT MY NOTES AT MY SEAT.

UH, UM, THEY ARE NOT, YOU CAN GET 'EM IF YOU'D LIKE SPECIAL RETAIL STREETS.

AND THEREFORE, THIS USE WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY CLOSE TO A DOZEN, UH, DRIVE-THROUGHS, UH, ON, UM, ON LEMON AVENUE.

MM-HMM.

AND, UH, THAT STREET, UNLIKE MCKINNEY AVENUE, UM, UH, CEDAR SPRINGS AND OAK LAWN AVENUE AND MAPLE ARE NOT DESIGNATED AS SUCH.

SO THEREFORE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE STREETS.

WHEREAS WE HAVE A SIX LANE DIVIDED THOROUGHFARE HERE, UH, THAT CARRIES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.

AND THAT'S RIGHT.

HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UH, ACCEPTABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE.

EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

UH, COMMISSIONER, LET ME LOOK THIS WAY.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE? COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, PLEASE.

UM, JUST ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

YOU HAD MENTIONED ADDITIONAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT.

WERE THOSE SUBMITTED TO STAFF ALSO? UH, I BELIEVE EVERYTHING WAS SUBMITTED IN OUR PRESENTATION.

SO WE DIDN'T, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE, DID YOU SUBMIT 'EM INDIVIDUALLY? OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE SUBMITTED 'EM INDIVIDUALLY OR IF WE DID IT WITHIN THE PRESENTATION, BUT THEY'RE PART OF THE PRESENTATION.

THEY'RE PART OF THE PRESENTATION, YEAH.

CUZ I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS SUBMITTED WHEN YOU WENT UP TO COUNSEL.

I, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS SEEN THAT.

I BELIEVE WE SUBMITTED IT WHEN WE CAME THE FIRST TIME.

WE ALSO BROUGHT HARD COPIES AND I THINK LEFT THEM HERE, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL GOT DISTRIBUTED.

BUT YEAH, THIS, THIS LAST SECTION, WHICH IS UNDER FOUR D IS ALL COMMUNITY SUPPORT.

THAT'S OKAY.

ALL THE LETTERS HERE, UH, CATALOGED IN, IN THE, IN THE REAR OF THE PRESENTATION.

I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH ANY OF THEM.

THAT'S OKAY.

IF YOU'VE SUBMITTED THEM.

I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM.

IT'S, IT'S THE SAME BATCH AS THE FIRST TIME YOU USED.

THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE WRINKLE COMMISSIONER TROY, THAT SOMETIMES WE DON'T GET THE, THE, WHAT HE SUBMITS DOESN'T COME BACK AROUND THE SECOND TIME TO US WHEN WE, WHEN WE WEREHEARING IT.

SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF DIG BACK A LITTLE BIT.

UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? DID I SEE YOUR HAND? YES.

UH, FOR MR. COPENHAVER? YES.

UH, MR. COPENHAVER, DOES YOUR, UM, YOUR, YOUR CHAIN OF RESTAURANTS HAVE AN ESTABLISHED PROTOCOL FOR YOUR MANAGERS TO DEAL WITH ANY POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, EXCESSIVE QA ISSUES THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PUT CARS OUT INTO THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY? WE DO.

YEAH, WE DO.

THERE'S A, SO WE HAVE WHAT, WHAT WE CALL AN H HME SYSTEM.

IT'S A, IT'S A MONITORING SYSTEM THAT TELLS YOU, UH, QUEUE TIMES.

AND SO IF WE START TO SEE THOSE INCREASE OR WE NOTICE A BACKUP OF, OF CARS, THE MANAGER WILL COME OUT PHYSICALLY AND DIRECT TRAFFIC.

SECONDLY, WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL, WE CALL, IT'S CALLED LINE BUSTING, BUT BASICALLY WHERE YOU TAKE A TABLET OUT AND YOU TAKE ORDER POINTS FURTHER BACK FROM THE WINDOWS SO THAT YOU CAN HELP MOVE CARS THROUGH.

SO WE DO HAVE A, WE HAVE NEVER HAD TO DEPLOY THAT HERE IN, IN TEXAS.

UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THAT PROTOCOL.

AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE HAD SUBMITTED VERY EARLY ON, WHICH IS PART OF A REQUIRED SUBMISSION FOR, I THINK IT'S CALLED A DEVELOPMENT IMPACT REVIEW, UH, WITH THE CITY, IS HOW WE WOULD HANDLE THAT.

AND SO WE HAD TO PROVIDE SOME LITERATURE AROUND THAT.

UH, I THINK WE ALSO EVEN SUGGESTED YOU COULD, IF YOU NEEDED TO CONE OFF LEMON AVENUE AND DIRECT ALL TRAFFIC TO HERSCHEL, WHICH I THINK AGAIN IS THE BENEFIT OF THIS SITE IS THAT WE'VE GOT, UH, MULTIPLE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS, UH, TO, TO COMBAT ANY POTENTIAL IMPACT OF, OF, UH, QUEUING IS THAT ANSWER QUESTION.

AND ALL OF YOUR MANAGERS GET, I I WILL FOLLOW UP AND ALL OF YOUR MANAGERS GET TRAINED IN THAT PROTOCOL? THAT'S CORRECT.

WE HAVE A MANAGER AND TRAINING PROGRAM THAT IT'S A SIX WEEK PROGRAM AND THAT'S PART OF, PART OF THE PROTOCOL.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER STANDARD SECOND ROUND, PLEASE? UH, YES, I, I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT LEMON AVENUE WAS NOW THE DRIVE-IN STRIP, BUT RATE, HOW DOES THE TACO BELL BEING RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IMPACT, THE QUEUING IMPACT OUR QUEUING? WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT QUEUING AT TACO BELL, LET'S SAY, AND THEN YOUR CARS ARE TRYING TO GET IN, HAVING TWO, YOU KNOW, CUZ UH, HERSCHEL, HERSCHEL GOING NORTH, YOU KNOW, BECOMES A RESIDENTIAL STREET.

YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO POUR THINGS ONTO HERSCHEL.

SO IF TACO BELL HAD PEOPLE BACKED UP ON LEMON AVENUE, DOES THAT IMPACT YOUR HERSCHEL PEOPLE GETTING OUT OR ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO, SO

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THE FIRST THING, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO HERSCHEL DOESN'T ACTUALLY PUNCH THROUGH TO THE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S DEAD END AT THAT, THAT PUBLIC? WELL, YEAH, BUT I MEAN IT SORT OF, OKAY.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

I'M SAYING THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I'M SAYING.

IT'S SORT OF YOU'RE GOING TO A DEAD END OR, YEAH, THERE.

AND I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, UH, WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY TO THAT.

SO, ONE, UH, TACO BELL IS A, A LARGER PAD THAN US.

I THINK IT'S, UH, 0.7 ACRES IF MEMORY SERVES ME.

UM, SO THEY CAN FIT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF QUEUING ON THEIR PAD INDEPENDENT OF WHAT WE HAVE.

THEY ALSO HAVE DIRECT CURB CUT ACCESS OFF OF LEMON AVENUE, BOTH INGRESS AND EGRESS.

SO HERSCHEL IS NOT UTILIZED FOR TACO BELL? IN MY EXPERIENCE, IN, IN THE OBSERVATIONS OF THE SITE.

I, I WASN'T, I DON'T MEAN HERSCHEL AS THE CUING, I MEANT LEMON AS THE CUING.

AND SO IF THEY'RE CUED FOR TACO BELL AND THAT BLOCKS HERSCHEL.

YOUR PEOPLE COMING OUT ON HERSCHEL AND TRYING TO GET OUT ON LEMON, DOES THAT IMPACT AT ALL? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO.

I WOULDN'T THINK SO.

I, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I, THEIR QUEUE WRAPS AROUND THEIR BUILDING, SO IT GOES FROM THE FRONT OF LEMON TO THE REAR OF THE ALLEYWAY AND COMES AROUND THE BUILDING.

SO I DON'T, THEY, IF IT WOULD TAKE 30 CARS FOR THEM TO BACK UP ONTO, ONTO LEMON AVENUE, AND IT WOULD TAKE PROBABLY 45 CARS TO BLOCK HERSCHEL.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S ANY USE CASE THAT I COULD SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE, BE AN ISSUE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANY OF YOUR SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

SEE, I KNOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT.

I CAN SEE .

I'M BREATHING YOUR MIND HERE AND IT'S, IT'S NOT COMING.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.

IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 23 DASH 1 31, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, DISREGARD STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND MOVE TO DENY THE APPLICATION.

AND IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE COMMENTS.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

AND BIKE FRIENDLY AND GREEN, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF GREEN BUILDING, BUT IN TERMS OF PARK SPACE AND TREES AND GREEN SPACE.

I, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A DIFFICULT CASE.

UM, AND I HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT.

I UNDERSTAND THEIR POSITION, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PUBLIC IS DIVIDED.

I DID RECEIVE A NUMBER OF, UH, OPPOSITIONAL EMAILS AND CALLS, INCLUDING FROM THE PRESIDENT OF PERRY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.

UM, AND I'M PROBABLY IN A BETTER POSITION TO KNOW WHAT OTHER DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING OR IN THE PROCESS OF HAPPENING ON LEMON AVENUE.

AND, UM, I, I RESPECT, RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH MR. BURKE'S ASSESSMENT ABOUT LEMON AVENUE BEING A SPECIAL RETAIL DISTRICT.

ON PAGE 32 OF THE OAK LAWN PLAN, YOU CAN SEE A LIST OF THE SPECIAL RETAIL DISTRICTS, AND THE VERY FIRST ONE NAMED IS LEMAN AVENUE.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OAK LAWN PLAN AND YOU LOOK AT THE WAY LEMAN AVENUE IS TREATED THROUGHOUT THE PLAN, IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE FAR, UH, ASTRAY FROM WHAT THE ORIGINAL RIDERS OF THE PLAN HAD IN MIND FOR LEMMAN AVENUE.

AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE, WE ARE GOING TO TREAT LEMON AVENUE THE WAY THAT STAFF ORIGINALLY SAID IN OUR FIRST BRIEFING, IN THIS CASE, THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IT TREATED.

AND THE WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY SAYS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IT TREATED IS IF WE START MAKING TOUGH DECISIONS AND START SAYING, WE HAVE TO SAY NO TO CASES THAT WE HAVE MAYBE SAID YES TO IN THE PAST, AND START ENCOURAGING THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT TO SEE IN ORDER TO GET THE WALKABLE, URBAN, VIBRANT COMMUNITIES THAT WE SAY THAT WE WANT.

AND THAT I KNOW THAT LEMON CAN BE.

I HAVE AN APARTMENT COMMUNITY THAT HAS RECENTLY GOTTEN OAK LAWN'S, OAK LAWN COMMITTEE'S APPROVAL THAT I THINK WE WILL SEE SHORTLY THAT MET WITH THE COMMUNITY AD NAUSEUM AND HAS MADE A NUMBER OF CHANGES TO THEIR INITIAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE JUST THOSE SORT OF GOALS.

AND I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS DISTRICT ALONG LEMON THAT ARE IN THE PROCESS THAT ARE MAKING THE TYPES OF CHANGES THAT I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE ON LEMON.

AND THAT IS TO BE FAR LESS AUTOCENTRIC AND BE FAR MORE PEDESTRIAN

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AND THIS USE SIMPLY DOESN'T ACCOMPLISH THAT.

AND ALL OF THAT ASIDE, UH, I HAVE ZERO PROBLEMS, UH, RECONSIDERING A CASE WHEN COUNCIL SENDS IT BACK TO US.

I HAVE, UH, PROBABLY MORE THAN MOST, UH, AN INSIGHT INTO WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND I HAVE THE RESPECT FOR THE FOLKS THAT SERVE ON CITY COUNCIL.

BUT THIS CASE CAME BACK TO US WITH NO COMMENT, NO QUESTION, NO CHANGE IN THE LAW, NO CHANGE IN THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, NO ANYTHING.

IT IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT IT WAS SOME SORT OF, MAYBE OF A POLITICAL THING AT COUNCIL, AND IT GOT SENT BACK TO US WITH NOTHING.

AND SO I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHATSOEVER FOR US TO CHANGE WHAT I THINK WAS THE RIGHT DECISION THE FIRST TIME.

AND SO WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, I THINK WE GOT IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

AND I, I HOPE THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL JOIN ME IN DENYING THIS CASE.

AGAIN.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY.

I JUST WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE MARCH 23RD INFORMATION.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER RECEIVED THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE.

UM, I RESPECT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S, UM, VIEWPOINT ON THIS.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RECORD.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION.

I CAN'T SEE ANY OF IT.

AND SO AS A COMMISSIONER, IT IS HARD FOR ME TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS WHEN I DO NOT HAVE THINGS IN THE RECORD THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE RELYING ON.

AND SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, TO ME, I I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE TODAY.

UM, I KNOW THAT YOU DID OUTREACH TO A LOT OF COMMISSIONERS, INCLUDING ME.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT YOU HAD TAKEN A LOT OF STEPS AFTER THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL MEETING TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS CONCERNS.

AND YOU CLEARLY HAVE SAID THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME RECONCILING THAT WITH THE COMMUNITY OPPOSITION THAT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IS CITING.

SO ON THE RECORD IN FRONT OF ME, IT, IT IS VERY HARD TO KNOW KIND OF WHAT SIDE IS UP.

UH, BEFORE WE JUST, WE GO TO THE NEXT COMMENTS, JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I BELIEVE THE LAST TIME WE HEARD THIS CASE, THE, THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE COMMITTEE, IN FACT DID SHOW UP AND, AND, UH, VOICED HIS SUPPORT AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

AND I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE EVEN RECEIVED A LETTER FROM THEM IN AN EMAIL.

AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE THESE GENTLEMEN HERE IN SUPPORT, UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN.

I HAD A QUESTION FOR, FOR STAFF.

UH, I'M LOOKING AT JUST MY NOTES FROM THAT PAST MEETING, AND THEY SAY WHEN WE SAW IT IN MARCH, AND THEY SAY, DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE, THAT, DID WE DO DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE BACK IN MARCH? I DON'T, I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND THE MINUTES.

YES, IT WAS DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM SAYING DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE THIS TIME, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

YEAH, I, I CERTAINLY THINK THAT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION CONSIDERING THE CHALLENGES THAT THE SITE FACE, THAT THAT'S BEEN REFERENCED BY SOME PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA.

THAT, THAT EVEN IF WE DON'T APPROVE TODAY, THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME ZONING TWEAKS MAY BE NECESSARY IF IT'S NOT A DRIVE THROUGH, WHAT, WHAT MIGHT FIT THERE TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES? SO I'LL, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I'M STILL WITHHOLDING, I'M STILL THINKING ABOUT THE REST OF IT.

BUT YEAH.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR FOLKS ONLINE? WELL, THEN I WILL GO NEXT.

I WILL, UH, RESPECTFULLY NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

UM, I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT THIS SITE ON MY OWN, UH, VISITED TWO OF THE OTHER SITES.

ONE, UH, ONE LOCATION THAT IS FRANKLY TWO MINUTES FROM MY HOUSE.

UH, AND WHAT I OBSERVED, UH, IS A USE THAT I THINK IS ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE.

UH, I AM LOOKING AT, AT IT RIGHT NOW ON GOOGLE.

AND WHEN I VISITED, I THINK THERE WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM WITH THE QUEUING.

I AGREE WITH THE COMMITTEE AND THAT IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF PD

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1 93.

UH, I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING IN OPPOSITION.

IN FACT, I HAVE ONLY HEARD FROM FOLKS IN SUPPORT, UH, THE SAME KIND OF SUPPORT, FRANKLY, THAT I HEARD WHEN I WATCHED THIS PART OF THE HEARING ON COUNSEL.

UH, I, LIKE I SAID, I I THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS LOCATION WITH THIS PART OF THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND FOR THIS SECTION OF LEMON.

SO I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT A MOTION FOR APPROVAL AND WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL AT THIS POINT.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR, THIS IS A CHALLENGE, UH, CUZ I HISTORICALLY DO NOT VOTE IN OPPOSITION TO WHAT THE COMMISSIONER OF THAT DISTRICT SAYS.

I LOVE SALAD AND GO .

UM, I ACTUALLY LOOK FORWARD TO SALAD AND GO.

UM, BUT I, I'M CHALLENGED.

UM, AND I WOULD ASK BETWEEN MY COMMISSIONER HERE WHO I DESPERATELY RESPECT WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO SUPPORTING HER COMMUNITY, UM, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THROUGH WHATEVER THE CHALLENGE IS TO MOVE TO, TO, UH, I DON'T, CUZ I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CHALLENGE IS.

THE FIRST PLAN THAT THIS APPLICANT GAVE ME HAD CONES ACROSS LEMON BECAUSE THEY ANTICIPATED THAT THEY WOULD QUEUE ONTO LEMON.

WHEN THAT BECAME AN OBVIOUS PROBLEM FOR THEM, THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.

I HAVE PERSONALLY OBSERVED THAT THEIR OPERATION ON ROSS CUES ONTO ROSS.

SO I CAN'T RECONCILE WHAT THEY SAY IN THIS CHAMBER WITH WHAT I HAVE OBSERVED IN THEIR OPERATION ON ROSS.

AND ON THE PAPER THEY PRESENTED ME ON THE VERY FIRST DAY THEY MET WITH ME.

SO I, I'M GONNA GO WITH WHAT THEY TOLD ME THE FIRST TIME AND WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THEIR OPERATIONS IN REAL LIFE VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY NOW.

AND, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THEIR OPERATIONS IN SOME OTHER PART OF THE CITY DOES, MAYBE ON A LARGER SITE.

THIS IS A VERY, VERY TIGHT SITE.

THEY HAD TO GO THE PARKING, THEY HAD TO GO TO THE BAR OF ADJUSTMENT TO GET A PARKING VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PARK THIS SITE.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES FOR THIS SITE AT THIS LOCATION, I DO NOT THINK THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT WHERE I SEE LEMON GOING, I DON'T THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE.

IT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE OAK LAWN PLANT.

AND THOUGH I DO RESPECT THE OAKLAND COMMITTEE A LOT, THEIR BLESSING IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR MY VOTE.

AND I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS CASE.

I HAVE SPENT TIME IN THE SITE.

I WELL UNDERSTAND THAT THE SIDE THAT SITS THERE TODAY IS NOT DESIRABLE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

BUT THAT CAN'T BE THE ONLY CONSIDERATION FOR A LAND USE DECISION.

AND THE FACT THAT I TOO, LIKE SALADS CAN'T BE THE ONLY DECISION FOR A LAND USE DECISION.

BECAUSE ONCE WE SAY YES TO CHANGING THE USE, THAT USE HAS THEN CHANGED AND WE'RE KIND OF STUCK WITH THAT.

AND TODAY'S SALAD COULD BE TOMORROW'S HOT DOGS.

WOULD WE BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOT DOGS OR BURGERS AND FRIES? NO, WE WOULDN'T BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT SALAD AND THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH TALK ABOUT IT BEING A DRIVE THROUGH FAST FOOD CONCEPT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

UH, COMMISSIONER TREAD, UH, WELL, LET'S GO TO COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FIRST.

WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER TREADWAY SECOND ROUND.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

UM, I DO RECALL THIS CASE IN THIS DISCUSSION FROM OUR LAST, UM, REVIEW, AND I DO AGREE, AS IS CURRENTLY CONFIGURED, IT HAS A LOT OF, UH, VEHICULAR ORIENTED BUSINESSES.

UM, I HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE QUEUE ON LEMON ON ONE OF THOSE BIG ORIENTED RESTAURANTS.

I, IN THIS CASE, TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

IF WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR AREA PLANS AND BEGIN TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF AREAS WE DO SOMETIMES HAVE TO MAKE DIFFICULT CHOICES.

I ALSO AM FAMILIAR WITH THE ROSS AVENUE LOCATION.

IT IS VERY NEAR ME.

I'M BY FREQUENTLY, I HAVE ALSO OBSERVED THE QUEUING ON ROSS.

AND IT ALSO IS ON A CORNER

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LOCATION, WHICH GIVES IT SOME ASSISTANCE.

IT IS NEARBY OTHER VEHICULAR ORIENTED RESTAURANTS OR BUSINESSES, I SHOULD SAY.

THEY'RE NOT ALL RESTAURANTS.

UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS BEFORE US TODAY.

WE CAN BE INFORMED BY WHERE WE THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CITY TO GROW AND TO CHANGE.

AND SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE THOSE CHOICES.

I RECALL OTHER RECENT CASES WE HAVE HAD THAT HAVE BEEN SIMILAR, UM, WHERE THEY'VE AT LEAST BEEN ABLE TO PUT IN SOME ABILITY TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A PATIO DINING.

WHILE THEY MAY BE PRIMARILY A, UM, DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, THERE ARE WAYS TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THESE CONCEPTS THAT PERHAPS ARE, ARE BRIDGING THE GAP AS AREAS ARE TRYING TO TRANSITION.

THAT'S NOT THIS BUSINESS MODEL.

YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS BEFORE US TODAY.

AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.

COMMISSIONER TREAD.

WE SECOND ROUND PLEASE.

SO I APPRECIATE THE COMPETING CONCERNS HERE.

UH, QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

HAVE YOU ARE YOU'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PAST THE QUESTIONS TODAY.

OH, ARE WE? YEAH.

WE'RE, THIS IS JUST, I'M STILL VERY CONFUSED ON THE MOTION ABOUT OPPOSITION THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE RECORD.

SO WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.

SO I, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN MAYBE A SHORTER TIMEFRAME FOR THIS BUSINESS, GIVEN THAT IF LEMON IS GOING TO PROGRESS, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT? THIS SEEMS TO BE AN EYESORE AND THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR AT LEAST CONVERTING INTO A USABLE USE THAT'S NOT BEING SET ON FIRE.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT ONCE YOU BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT DOESN'T GO AWAY AND IT PRECLUDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN AND TURN THIS INTO A USE THAT DOES COMPORT WITH THE PLAN.

WE'RE NOT INCENTIVIZING ANYBODY TO COME IN AND USE THIS LAND IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OAK LAWN PLAN WHEN WE TURN IT OVER TO SOMEONE AND ALLOW THEM TO USE IT OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE OAK LAWN PLAN.

BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS SITE, YOU STILL HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH TACO BELL RIGHT ACROSS FROM IT.

THAT'S TRUE.

AND THAT WAS SOMEONE ELSE'S DECISION THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE SUPPORTED.

THIS IS A DECISION THAT I GET TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON.

I CAN ONLY CONTROL THE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE ME, AND I HAVE AN AREA PLAN THAT I BELIEVE IS THE RIGHT PLAN FOR THE AREA.

IT'S THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY ALWAYS POINTS TO, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE ADHERE TO IT AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T.

AND I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT PLAN FOR THE AREA.

AND SO I'M GONNA STICK TO IT AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY UNLESS THERE'S A COMPELLING REASON NOT TO.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A COMPELLING REASON NOT TO IN THIS CASE.

ACTUALLY, YOU'VE ALREADY HAD YOUR SECOND ROUND.

WE'RE GONNA DO TWO ROUNDS.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A FIRST OR SECOND ROUND? I ONLY HAVE A SECOND ROUND.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE.

I ONLY SPOKE ONCE.

I ONLY ASKED A QUESTION.

I HAVEN'T, YOU HAVEN'T COMMENTED TWICE.

THIS IS SECOND ROUND.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN AT ALL ON THIS.

OKAY, PLEASE.

OKAY, I'M SORRY.

NO, I ONLY ASK QUESTIONS OF THEM.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN, UH, BUT I AM GONNA BE SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION AND I, AND I EXPLAIN WHY I AM YOU, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR THIS BODY TALKING ALL THE TIME ABOUT TAKING AREAS AND LIKE WE TALK ABOUT MAKING THEM MORE WALKABLE, MORE DIVERSE, MORE MIXED USE.

AND WHAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT THIS IS NOT THE QUEUING OF THE TACO BELL, IT'S THE FACT THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THERE MIGHT BE A DOZEN DRIVE-THROUGHS ON LEMON AVENUE.

WELL, ISN'T THAT ENOUGH? ARE WE TURNING ONE STREET INTO THE, YOU KNOW, PAWN SHOP STREET OR THE DRIVE THROUGH STREET OR THE WHATEVER? I MEAN, I DON'T THINK BECAUSE THERE'S ONE NEXT DOOR THAT MEANS THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT USE TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO IT.

I I SORT OF THINK YOU'VE GOT A DRIVE THROUGH, THEN MAYBE YOU GO FOUR BLOCKS AND YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

BUT YOU DON'T START SAYING, WELL, THIS IS, IS AS FAR AS URBAN PLANNING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OAK LAWN PLAN, I'M QUITE FRANKLY SURPRISED TO HEAR, AND I DO REMEMBER THAT IN MARCH GOING BACK THAT THE OAK LAWN PLAN, YOU KNOW, AND THE OTHER THINGS WE DISCUSSED EVEN THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD USE.

AND I DON'T THINK, I KNOW IT'S TEMPTING.

THIS IS THE LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

DO WE WANT, I MEAN, I HEARD THE NEIGHBOR SAYING THIS AND I APPRECIATE

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WHAT HE SAID.

DO WE WANT THIS BLIGHTED PLACE THAT THE HOMELESS ARE CLIMBING OVER THE FENCE? OF COURSE NOT.

NOBODY WANTS THAT.

BUT I'M NOT SURE, AS COMMISSIONER KINGSTON SAID, THAT'S THE REASON THAT YOU MAKE AN URBAN PLANNING DECISION MERELY TO GET RID OF BLIGHT WHEN IT SORT OF ENDS UP ESTABLISHING AN IDENTICAL USE THERE, THAT MAYBE IT'S TIME TO MOVE AWAY MORE FROM THAT USE NOT TOWARDS IT.

SO I WILL BE SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION.

FIRST ROUND FOR YOU, SIR.

SO, UH, YEAH, SO, UH, I UNDERSTAND THE AREA, I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.

UH, I THINK ABOUT MY DISTRICT, UM, I THINK ABOUT STRIPS WHERE THERE'S SEVERAL FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS THAT I WOULD JUMP TO THE CHANCE TO PUT SALAD AND GO BECAUSE IT'S A HEALTHY OPTION AND WE DON'T HAVE HEALTHY OPTIONS ON MY END.

IT'S NOT THE CASE FOR OAKLAWN.

RIGHT? THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THERE.

UM, THEN I GET TO, I HAVE A SUPPORT LETTER FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBER OF THE DISTRICT, UM, AND THE CITY PLAN COMMISSIONER IS GOING AGAINST THAT, WHICH I MAY VERY WELL BE IN THAT SEAT ONE DAY.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DIFFICULT SPOT.

I'M, I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHERE I'M VOTING YET.

I DON'T, I'M SORRY.

I, I APOLOGIZE THERE WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO SUPPORTED IT, BUT IT WAS NOT YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER.

I READ THE HEADLINE WRONG.

WHICH WAS PROBABLY ON PURPOSE.

IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I'M TORN, UH, APPROVING SOMETHING THAT CONTINUES THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW FOR THE SPROUTS SITUATION IN MY DISTRICT, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE PLAN, WHICH MAY REQUEST A VISION THAT'S MUCH DIFFERENT FROM CURRENT CIRCUMSTANCES.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? COMMISSIONERS? I I, MY LAST SECOND ROUND, I, I FRANKLY DISAGREE THAT THIS IS NOT A LOWEST KIND OF DENOMINATOR, UH, USE HERE.

IT IS NOT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, IT'S A BLIGHTED SITE OR A SALAD TO GO, IS IT? NO, I, I THINK IT'S A PERFECTLY FINE USE FOR THIS SITE.

UH, IN TERMS OF THE QUEUE.

IT MEETS THE CODE AND IT SURPASSES IN TERMS OF OPPOSITION.

I HAVE HEARD OF NONE, HEARD NOTHING BUT SUPPORT FROM THIS, INCLUDING FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THAT LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THIS SITE.

UH, SO I JUST FRANKLY DON'T SEE A REASON FOR DENIAL HERE.

HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION WITH RESPECT WITH TWO COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE TAKE A RECORD? VOTE RECORD.

VOTE PLEASE.

MISS SINA COMMENT ONLINE.

OH, PARDON ME.

COMMISSIONER POPKIN.

I DIDN'T SEE YOUR, DIDN'T SEE YOU.

YOUR, YOU MIGHT WANNA SPEAK A LITTLE BIT SLOWLY.

IT'S, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG.

PLEASE COME INTO YOUR POCKET.

UH, THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, THIS IS A REALLY HARD DECISION FOR ME PERSONALLY BECAUSE I LOVE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND I KNOW THERE IS DEMAND FOR MORE WALKABLE, MIXED USE, EVEN IN HIGHLY INDUSTRIAL AREAS.

AS WE'VE SEEN, UM, IN PLACES ALONG HARRY HINES.

I'VE WALKED THIS STREET, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OFTEN, UH, BECAUSE I GET MY CAR REPAIRED DOWN THE STREET AND I WALK TO PLACES TO EAT AND HAVE LUNCH AND, AND WAIT FOR MY CAR TO BE REPAIRED.

AND I ALSO FREQUENT THE DRIVE-THROUGHS ALONG LEMON.

THERE'S A VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTER ALONG THIS PART OF LEMON THAN LEMON, CLOSER TO THE HIGHWAY.

UM, THERE'S NO TRANSIT IN THIS AREA, AND YET THERE ARE BEAUTIFUL HIGH DENSITY, WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS VERY CLOSE TO THIS PART OF LEMON.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S, UM, DESIRE TO, UM, UPHOLD THE OAK LAWN PLAN IN THIS REGARD.

UM, I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THIS CORNER OF THE OAK LAWN PLAN, UM, ENOUGH TO FEEL, UM, EDUCATED IN, UM, GOING AGAINST THE OAK LAWN COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION.

UM, AND I, AND I REALIZE THAT THIS AREA AS IT IS TODAY IS, UM, IS QUITE AUTO ORIENTED AND DOES HAVE A LOT OF DRIVE-THROUGHS.

BUT I THINK IN, IN, IN SPEAKING RIGHT NOW, I'M, I'M REALIZING THAT I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON THAT WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO INVOKE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.

AND THOUGH PREVIOUS DECISIONS MAY NOT SUPPORT, UM, YOU KNOW, A MORE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE, I THINK WE'RE HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION.

AND I WOULD RATHER BE SEEING A, A, A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST TO TURN THIS INTO A MORE HIGH DENSITY, WALKABLE, MIXED USE PRODUCT.

UM, AND I HAVE SIMILAR, UM, SITUATIONS

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SO I GUESS IN MY LONG DIATRIBE, I WILL BE SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S, UM, MOTION.

I DO THINK THAT, UH, A DRIVE-THROUGHS NO LONGER THE BEST USE FOR THIS LAND HERE.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, PLEASE.

YES, I, I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH, UM, MAKING A DECISION ON THIS CASE, WHICH IS KIND OF UNUSUAL FOR ME.

UM, BECAUSE I, I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES.

I DON'T THINK THE USE IS PROPOSED AS WIDELY OUT OF CHARACTER WITH WHAT YOU KNOW IS THE BASIC CHARACTER OF, UH, LEMON AVENUE.

NOW I UNDERSTAND, UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S, UM, SENSE THAT THINGS ARE CHANGING THERE AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF USE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I FACE THIS AT DISTRICT SIX WITH STREETS THAT HAVE A PROLIFERATION OF BAIL BONDS, WHICH ARE NOT IN ANYONE'S, YOU KNOW, I WROTE OF BAIL BONDS IS NOT ANYONE'S IDEA OF DESIRABLE LAND USE, BUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE COME DOWN IN DISTRICT SIX IS TO GIVE THEM SHORTER SUVS AND, YOU KNOW, AS A, YOU KNOW, TRANSITIONAL USE THAT THEN COULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE S SUV COULD BE TERMINATED, YOU KNOW, AS REDEVELOPMENT IS COMING.

SO, UH, SO I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

UH, HAVE YOU HAD TWO ROUNDS? I DIDN'T KEEP TRACK.

YOU NEED TO TONE OUR, WE HAVE TO THE MICROPHONE.

IF COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S NOT OPEN TO OUR FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, DO WE, DO I GET TO MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT AT SOME STAGE? THE, IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT HAPPENS.

AMENDMENT IS WITH COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION.

SO HER MOTION HAS TO BE VOTED ON FIRST BEFORE ANOTHER MOTION COULD BE MADE.

IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE ARE SOME MOTIONS THAT COULD TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'D HAVE TO DISPOSE OF COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION AND THEN THE FLOOR WOULD BE OPEN FOR ANOTHER MOTION.

SO IF I WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A SHORTER S U, WOULD THAT HAVE TO WAIT FOR, THAT WOULD BE A CONTRARY.

THAT THAT, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO AMEND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION, THAT'D BE A CONTRARY AMENDMENT AND IT WOULD BE OUT OF ORDER.

SO WE'D HAVE TO DISPOSE OF COMMISSIONER KINGSTON'S MOTION AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION FOR SOMETHING LESS THAN WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING.

UNLESS SHE'S WILLING TO ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.

SH AS I UNDERSTAND IT, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON IS DENYING THE, UM, APPLICATION.

SO IT'S A DENIAL.

THERE'S NOTHING LESS THAT COULD OKAY.

JUST WANTING TO RAISE THE POSSIBILITIES.

SO TO BE CLEAR, MY MOTION IS A DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PLEASE.

SHE AMENDED HER MOTION TO DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

I HAVE A COMMENT.

AND LISTENING TO, UM, EVERYONE'S POSITIONS AND, AND I SEE BOTH SIDES OF, OF IT.

ALSO, I HAVE TO YIELD TO THE, UM, THE SITTING COMMISSIONER, UM, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE LIGHT THAT SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, IT, IT FOLLOWS AN AREA PLAN AND WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON AREA PLANS AND ALIGNING THOSE THINGS AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD RESPECT THEM.

SO IN, IN MY ABSENCE OF, OF REALLY HAVING, UM, MUCH OF AN OPINION, CUZ I'M ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE, I WOULD MOVE TO FOLLOW THE, UH, THE AREA PLAN TO SUPPORT COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE? OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 1 31 HAVE A MOTION ON BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STANDARD TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER DENY THE APPLICATION WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

UH, MS. BESINA, CAN WE TAKE A RECORDER? VOTE PLEASE.

WHAT IS A YES AND A NO? YES IS FOR DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

CAN YOU SAY IN TO MY YES.

DISTRICT 12 I'M A NO.

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MAKER OF THE MOTION? YES.

AND DISTRICT SIX? YES.

MOTION PASSES.

MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER 12 AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO 11.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MS. GARZA.

GOOD AFTERNOON CASE, UH, Z 22 31 45.

AN APPLICATION FOR ONE AND AN IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT WITH DATA RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.

AND TWO, A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR INDUSTRIAL INSIDE POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE USE LIMITED TO THE REFINING OF PRECIOUS METALS ON PROPERTY ZONE AND IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF ZODIAC LANE AND VEGO LANE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ONE APPROVAL FOR AN IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO DID RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTARY BY THE APPLICANT.

AND TWO, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL INSIDE POTENTIAL AND COMPATIBLE USE LIMITED TO THE REFINING OF PRECIOUS METALS FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

THE APPLICANT'S HERE.

I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THERE.

ANY WAY I CAN GET THAT.

HOLD MY, SORRY.

MY NAME'S TR ROBERTSON, UH, MASTER PLAN 22 OH SOUTH MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 75 201.

SO IS THAT EMAIL THEN? YES.

YOU GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN, PLEASE, UM, WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

GET, OH, THERE IT IS A QUORUM.

UM, WE'RE SORRY, IT'S NOT MOVING TO THE NEXT SCREEN.

YES, I THIS YOU'LL DO.

OKAY, GREAT.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN, UM, IF YOU, IF IT'S OKAY, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND KIND OF PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 12 AND 11 AT THE SAME TIME CUZ THEY KIND OF DO RELATE TO EACH OTHER AND I WOULD HONESTLY JUST BE REPEATING MYSELF.

UM, WITH ITEM NUMBER 11, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS BASICALLY SWITCH THE ZONING, THE S U P DEED RESTRICTIONS FROM 11 2 31 GEMINI, WHICH IS CASE, UH, 23 1 44 AND 1120 ZODIAC LANE.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS INSIDE INDUSTRIAL USE, YOU GO THE NEXT SCREEN PLEASE.

UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL USES.

THERE'S MULTIFAMILY TO THE NORTH.

UM, THERE'S MANUFACTURING ALL AROUND.

UM, THE EXISTING PROPERTY HAS BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WITH VERY RESTRICTIVE DEED RESTRICTIONS.

WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA TAKE THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND PUT 'EM AT ONE.

WE'RE ON ZODIAC LANE AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ADDING TO THEM WRITING ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTIONS.

UH, DILL ENGAGE IS A GREAT COMMUNITY PARTNER.

THEY'RE A GREAT NEIGHBOR.

UH, THEY'RE LEADING IN THE INDUSTRY.

UM, THEY MEET ALL T C Q REQUIREMENTS, UH, DALLAS ENVIRONMENTAL, THEY MEET ALL THEIR REQUIREMENTS, THE EPA, UM, THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO BE CLEAN AS WELL DURING THEIR PROCESSES.

UM, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE LITTLE TO NO EMISSIONS, LEAVE THEIR FACILITY, DO THE TYPE OF WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING.

THAT'S THEIR GOAL IS TO KEEP IT ALL WITHIN THE FACILITY CUZ THEY SCRUB IT DOWN, UM, THEY CLEAN IT AND THEN THEY THROW THE THROUGH THE INCINERATOR, WHATEVER'S LOCKED, AND THEN THEY GO AND SCRUB THAT AS WELL.

AND THEY KEEP ON GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN PLEASE? GOT IT.

AND THIS IS, UH, THIS SLIDE IS JUST SHOWING WHAT, WHAT THE ZONING IS CURRENTLY AT.

ONCE AGAIN, I AM ON THE GNI LANE IR IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN, UM, THE NEXT SCREEN JUST SHOWS BASICALLY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FLIPPING IT.

UM, THE MAIN DIFFERENCE IS IN THE NEW FACILITY OFF THE ZODIAC LANE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE BRAND NEW EQUIPMENT THAT IS EVEN MORE SUSTAINABLE, MORE GREEN, WHICH IS MORE ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY.

UM, IN ADDITION, IT'S A LARGER FACILITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE.

UM, IN ADDITION, WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL DEED RESTRICTIONS.

UM, AND AS PART OF IF

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UH, WE'VE WORKED, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING.

UM, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING IN OPPOSITION DURING THAT COMMITTEE OR NO OPPOSITION DURING THAT COMMUNITY MEETING.

UH, THIS IS WHAT THE CURRENT FACILITY, UH, LOOKED LIKE.

UM, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY, THERE IS SOME CONSTRUCTION GOING ON TRYING TO, UH, REPAIR THE LAND AROUND IT, THE SIDE AROUND IT TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER.

UM, THIS WILL BE EVEN MORE SECURE FACILITY THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN, PLEASE.

UH, THEY'RE, THIS IS THEIR EXISTING FACILITY.

NO ONE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE THERE.

NO ONE KNOWS THAT THEY'RE IN OPERATION.

NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

AND THAT'S THEIR WHOLE PURPOSE.

THEY WANNA STAY, UH, BELOW THE RADAR.

THEY DON'T WANT THEIR NEIGHBORS TO KNOW WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

UM, BUT IN THAT SENSE, THEY'RE ALSO A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

UH, THEY HAVE MULTIPLE, UH, SECURITY IMPLICATIONS IN PLACE THAT THEY'VE ACTUALLY USED TO HELP THEIR NEIGHBORS OUT.

WHEN THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN BROKEN INTO, THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO USE THAT FOOTAGE.

THEY HAVE SECURITY WALKING AROUND, WHICH ALSO HELPS BENEFIT THE SURROUNDING AREA.

UM, WHEN THEY MOVE TO GEMINI LANE, THEY'RE ABLE TO BRING A LOT MORE SECURITY TO THE AREA, WHICH ACTUALLY, UH, REDUCE CRIME THAT WAS GOING ON ON GEMINI LANE.

AND THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN ON ZODIAC LANE AS WELL.

YOU GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? MICHAEL ON LINE? PARDON ME.

LEE KLEIMAN, MY COLLEAGUE IS ONLINE.

OKAY, SPEAK BY.

ALL RIGHT.

YOU TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.

IS THAT MR. KLEIMAN? GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIRMAN SHOULD, UH, CHAIRWOMAN AND COMMISSIONERS, UM, I, I, UH, WATCHED THE, THE, UM, I WATCHED THE, THE BRIEFING EARLIER.

I ASKED, SAW, THERE WERE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THOSE DIRECTLY.

UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER YOUNG ASKED FOR EXPLANATION OF PRECIOUS METAL REFINING.

UH, BILL GAUGE RECEIVES MATERIAL BILLS FROM SEVERAL FORMS, UH, INCLUDING JEWELRY, FLATWARE, CONSUMER ITEMS FROM THESE, WE, I GO GOLD ESTABLISHMENTS AS WELL AS THEY RECEIVE PRE-PROCESSED MATERIALS FROM FROM THE INDUSTRY.

THEY REFINED THESE TO THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF PURITY IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS, UH, BASICALLY MELTING DOWN AND REFINING PRECIOUS METALS.

UM, ALSO I THINK I HEARD FROM VICE CHAIR RUB COMMISSIONER BLAIR AND COMMISSIONER SCANNER ASK ABOUT EMISSIONS.

AND I DID WANT TO CLARIFY.

THEY ARE HIGHLY REGULATED BY THE, UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE EPA AND THE T C E Q.

UM, THIS FACILITY IS, UH, INDUSTRIAL INDOORS, SO NO ACTIVITY OCCURS OUTSIDE.

UM, THEY USE INDUCTION FURNACES AND FME COLLECTORS TO CAPTURE AND CLEAN THE AIR.

ALL EMISSIONS ARE CAPTURED, SCRUB TREATED AND NEUTRALIZED.

THEY'LL GATE USES SEVERAL, SEVERAL METHODS TO ELIMINATE EMISSIONS, INCLUDING NEUTRALIZING LIQUIDS AND INCINERATING GASES.

BY THE TIME GASES REACH THEIR A AFTERBURNERS OF 1800 DEGREES, THE ONLY THING THAT COMES OUT OF THE FACILITY IS WATER MOLECULES.

THEY HAVE AN ONSITE ADMISSIONS COMPLIANCE TEAM, AN OPERATION THAT CONTINUOUSLY MONITORS OPERATIONS.

UM, ALSO THEY HAVE A WASTEWATER PERMIT AND THEY WERE RECENTLY INSPECTED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS, UM, AND THEY FOUND NO VIOLATIONS.

I THINK MY COLLEAGUE IS PASSING AROUND A FEW ITEMS THAT UNFORTUNATELY WE DID NOT HAVE IN THE PACKET, WHICH WOULD HAVE, I'M TRY TO SHOW 'EM, BUT THEY HAVE A STORMWATER PERMIT.

UM, THAT PERMIT IS, IS QUITE NON NO EXPOSURE TO ATION, WHICH MEANS THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT EXPOSING ANY WASTEWATER TO ANY POLLUTANTS, UM, UH, THAT WERE, OR INDUSTRIAL MATERIALS OR ACTIVITIES, NONE OF THOSE EXIST.

AND THEY ALSO RECENTLY HAD A, UH, AN INSPECTION BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND IF I, AND THERE WERE NO DEFICIENCIES FOUND, AND IF I CAN JUST READ THE COMMENTS FROM THE INSPECTOR THAT SAID, THIS IS A SMELTING FACILITY FOR PRECIOUS METALS.

ALL INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY IS PERFORMED INDOORS, SHIPPING AND RECEIVING IS PERFORMED UNDERCOVER.

THEY HAVE A SALAD REPORT, SO EVEN THEIR LOADING DOCK IS INSIDE.

NO OUTSIDE STORAGE IS OBSERVED.

MATERIALS USED IN A PROCESS ARE STORED ON SHELVES INSIDE THE FACILITY.

NO FLOOR DRAINS OBSERVED AT THE PROCESSES AREAS.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, EVEN IF THERE WERE A SPILL OF SOME OF THESE MATERIALS, THERE WOULD BE NO WAY FOR IT TO GET INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM.

RAW MATERIAL AND FINISHED PRODUCTS ARE STORED ON PALLETS.

THE SHELVES INSIDE THE FACILITY.

FACILITY HAS A DUST COLLECTION SYSTEM IN THE DOORS, UH, OBSERVED AIRPORT COMPRESSOR UNIT STORED OUTSIDE THE FACILITIES.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING OUT THERE IS THEIR COMPRESSOR AND THEIR DUMPSTER WASTE IS COLLECTED AT PROCESSED AREAS AND STORED INSIDE THE FACILITY.

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THAT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED.

PASS AROUND.

NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

CARL CROWLEY, 22 1 MAIN STREET.

MAYBE WE COULD USE THE FURNACE THEY USE TO RAISE THE TEMPERATURE IN HERE.

UM, CAN I HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE, THE, THE, AS TRENTON MENTIONED, UH, THERE ARE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE, HOPEFULLY SOON TO BE FORMER LOCATION THAT WE'RE JUST COPYING, BUT, BUT WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

WE'RE ADDING, UH, A COUPLE OF MORE DEED RESTRICTIONS.

UM, SOMETHING, AND TRENT AND I WERE LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS THIS MORNING ABOUT, UH, THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, EMISSIONS AND STUFF.

UH, WELL, YOU DISCUSSED WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO AND PROCESS THERE.

BELIEVE ME, EMISSIONS ARE DOLLARS IN THAT SENSE.

SO THERE ARE VERY FEW OF ANY EMISSIONS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE SCRUBBED AND AND REMOVED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE PRESSURE METALS THAT MIGHT BE IN THOSE.

SO, UM, THERE, THERE ARE NO, UH, EMISSIONS, UH, THAT LEAVE THIS FACILITY IN THE WAY OF AS, AS, AS LEE MENTIONED TO YOU THERE, THE, THE FACILITIES, THE AFTER THE AFTER PRODUCT IS, UM, DOESN'T GO DOWN A DRAIN AND IT, AND IT'S A CLEAN SYSTEM.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UM, THE SITE PLAN IS, IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

UM, IT'S AN EXISTING FACILITY.

WE'RE GONNA DO SOME MORE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT OUT THERE, THAT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED BECAUSE WE'RE OCCUPYING EXISTING BUILDING.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

NOPE, THAT'S IT.

UH, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS, I GUESS.

WELL, THERE MAY BE OTHER SPEAKERS.

I, THERE MIGHT BE OTHER SPEAKERS.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, YOUNG? UH, YES.

WOULD WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE OF THE SLIDES, UH, GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE EXISTING LOCATION ON GEMINI AND THEN WHETHER, I DON'T CARE WHO ANSWERS MY QUESTION.

UH, THE VENT STACK THAT'S SHOWN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH ON THE ROOF, WHAT DOES THAT VENT WATER? THAT'S WHAT IS THE LAST BIT OF IT THAT COMES OUT IS WATER EMISSIONS, WATER PARTICLES.

IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, STEAM OR WATER VAPOR STEAM, YEAH, STEAM VAPOR, WHICH IS ALL, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY T C Q.

OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

UH, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

IT'S JUST THE THREE REPRESENTATIVES HERE TODAY.

THERE'S NO ONE HERE FROM THE APPLICANT.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALSO ONLINE.

OH, OUR, OUR, THE OWNER IS ALSO ONLINE.

OKAY, THANKS.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE? YES, I NOTICED YOU GUYS ARE MOVING, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

UM, WILL THE RAZOR WIRE FENCE BE FOLLOWING YOU GUYS? WHAT WAS THAT? THE RAZOR WIRE FENCE THAT'S AROUND THE CURRENT FACILITY.

WILL THAT BE REPEATED IN THIS NEW LOCATION? UM, WE WILL, WE DO HAVE SECURITY FENCING IN THE FRONT OF THE, UH, STRUCTURE, MEANING ALL FENCING REQUIREMENTS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY SORT OF VARIANCES OR SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR THE FENCING.

UM, OUR TOP LINE OF SECURITY IS OUTSIDE THE FENCE, IS THAT, THAT'S REALLY NOT IT.

IT'S, IT'S SECURITY GUARDS, UH, FORMER POLICE OFFICERS, CAMERAS, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO.

I'LL SAY THE QUESTION FOR STAFF.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS ONLINE? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.

CAN WE RESTRICT RAZOR WIRE ON TOP OF THE FENCING? IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN COMMISSIONER HERBERT? THAT IS IN THE FENCE REGULATIONS, I BELIEVE AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK REAL QUICK.

I BELIEVE THAT'S ALREADY NOT ALLOWED AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT COULD, IF IT IS ALLOWED, THAT COULD BE SOMETHING YOU COULD DO IN THE S U P.

IF YOU CAN PROVIDE A LAND USE RATIONALE THAT EXPLAINS WHY IT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR ANY KIND OF, UM, MANUFACTURING USE THAT COULD EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.

ONE SECOND.

A NINE, EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION, THE FOLLOWING FENCE MATERIALS ARE PROHIBITED AND PARAGRAPH F BARBED WIRE AND RAZOR RIBBON IN, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND DISTRICTS OTHER THAN AGRICULTURE ARE PROHIBITED.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT IN 51, A 4.602

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COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? OKAY, SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES, IN THE MATTER OF CASE, UM, Z 2 23 DASH 1 45, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR AN IM INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO DE RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT, AND TWO, APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN INDUSTRIAL INSIDE POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE USE, LIMITED TO THE REFINING OF PRECIOUS METALS FOR A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WITHOUT ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.

AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I GET A SECOND.

YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

UM, I FULLY REALIZE THAT THIS IS A STARTLING, UM, SUGGESTION, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED AS DISTRICT SIX UNFORTUNATELY IS TWO INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCIES.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASICALLY A, YOU KNOW, A TEXAS TWO STEP WHERE WE'RE TRADING, UM, ENTITLEMENTS FROM ONE PARCEL TO THE OTHER.

THE PARCEL THAT, UH, THE OPERATION THAT EXISTS ON GEMINI RIGHT NOW IS UNDER AUTO RENEWALS.

UM, THEY'RE CURRENT ON THEIR PERMITTING.

THE CURRENT PERMIT DOESN'T EXPIRE TILL 2026.

AND AS LONG AS THEY, YOU KNOW, KEEP, UH, THEIR PERMITTING, YOU KNOW, UP TO DATE, THEY CAN BE THERE, UH, FOREVER.

UM, I DID GO OUT AND DO A SITE TO, I'VE BEEN BY THIS LOCATION A NUMBER OF TIMES AND I DID A SITE TOUR.

UM, THIS IS A VERY, VERY, UM, I'LL CALL IT A STEALTH OPERATION.

NO, THERE'S NO SIGNAGE, NO ONE DRIVING BY WOULD HAVE THE FOGGIEST IDEA OF WHAT'S GOING ON THERE.

THERE'S ALMOST NO ACTIVITY, THERE'S NO NO, THERE'S NO ODOR, THERE'S NO ALMOST NO TRAFFIC.

UM, THERE ARE NOT BIG RIGS COMING AND GOING.

THERE'S NOT ISLAND TRUCKS, THERE'S NO OUTSIDE ACTIVITY, THERE'S NO STORAGE OF MATERIALS OUTSIDE.

UM, IT'S A, AND THE TOUR THAT I DID AND EVALUATING THE SITUATION WITH THE EXISTING, UM, RIGHTS THERE IN THAT, UM, DISTRICT, UM, I AM HAVING CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE WITH LIVING ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL OPERATIONS.

THIS I THINK IS ONE OF THE BETTER OPERATIONS THAT A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD COULD, COULD, UM, HAVE TO EXIST NEXT TO.

UM, I COMMEND THE APPLICANT FOR GOING BEYOND, UH, ELIMINATING ALL THE OTHER IN IM USES.

UM, OTHER THAN THIS ONE, UH, THEY ALSO WERE WILLING TO, UH, DE RESTRICT OUT SOME OF THE MORE INTRUSIVE IR USES THAT COULD OTHERWISE GO HERE BY RIGHT.

UM, THEY'VE AGREED TO ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPING.

I THINK THIS IS A, UM, A, A VERY, UH, REASONABLE, UH, REQUEST.

UM, I, WHILE I DO NOT HAVE ANY PARTICULAR CONCERNS THAT, UM, THERE'RE GONNA BE A PROBLEM HERE DOWN THE ROAD, I AM LIMITING MY MOTION TO AN INITIAL FIVE YEAR PERIOD SO THAT THERE IS A, A, A POSSIBILITY AT THE END OF THAT TIME TO REVISIT THE OPERATION.

AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

UH, ONE CLARIFICATION.

WE'RE DEBATING HERE.

YOU, YOU DID NOT SAY AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.

UH, I SAID WITH NO ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTO RENEWALS.

GOTCHA.

PERFECT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY, SEE NONE.

THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

LET'S GO TO CASE NUMBER 11, CASE Z 22 3144.

AN APPLICATION FOR ONE, AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT TO THE TERMINATION OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1861 FOR AN INDUSTRIAL INSIDE POTENTIALLY INCOMPATIBLE USE, LIMITED TO THE REFINING OF PRECIOUS METALS.

AND THREE, THE TERMINATION OF JT RESTRICTIONS.

Z 1 0 1 2 23 ON PROPERTY ZONE.

AND I AM IN JUST MANUFACTURING DISTRICT ON THE WEST LINE OF GEMINI LANE, SOUTH OF ROYAL LANE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ONE APPROVAL OF AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT AND TWO, APPROVAL OF DETERMINATION OF SPECIFIC USE.

PERMIT NUMBER 1861 AND THREE APPROVAL OF DETERMINATION OF EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 1 0 1 2 23.

THANK YOU, CYNTHIA.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

I'M GONNA STAY SILENT UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER YOUNG? UH, YES.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO BE HEARD? WE HAVE TWO REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

ARE THEY HERE ALSO JUST FOR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS.

ANY

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MR. UH, ROBERTSON, QUESTION ON TIMING, UH, IF THE TERM, IF THE S U P IS TERMINATED THAT WILL CEASE YOUR RIGHT TO OPERATE ON THE CURRENT LOCATION, ARE, ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THIS COMES OUT AT THE RIGHT TIME AT COUNSEL SO THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE THE ROAST TURKEY AND THE DRESSING ARE, ARE COME OUT OF THE OVEN AT THE SAME TIME? MY, MY CLIENT IS STILL HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD.

THEY'VE HELD OFF AND THEY KEEP HOLDING OFF UNTIL THIS IS FINISHED.

AND SO, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO HOLD THEIR HAND AND MAKE SURE THEY DON'T START EARLY AND THEY'RE WILLING NOT TO START UNTIL IT'S ALL COMPLETED.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER STANDARD? I'M GONNA GET IN TROUBLE, BUT I'M DYING TO ASK THIS.

THERE ARE NO SIGNS, NO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.

OKAY, , SO WHO, HOW DID THIS GOLD AND SILVER GET IN THERE? SO IN THESE CLANDESTINE VEHICLES, NO, THEY, THEY WORK WITH VARIOUS OTHER COMPANIES WHO WILL SHIP, WHO WILL SHIP IT TO 'EM.

UM, THEY'RE, UM, OH, LIKE WHERE THEY BUY GOLD FROM INDIVIDUALS AND THEY SHIP IT TO 'EM, THEN THEY REFINE IT INTO A, A PURE QUALITY OF GOLD, SILVER.

OH, I GOT YOU.

SO THE BRINKS TRUCKS AREN'T ARRIVING? NO, NO.

I'VE, OKAY, JUST CURIOUS.

I I ACTUALLY TOOK A TOUR.

I, I'VE BEEN TO THIS FACILITY MANY TIMES.

WHITE SHIRT, DRESS PANTS.

I WAS WORRIED ABOUT GETTING COVERED IN DIRT.

THIS IS THE ONE, THE CLEANEST FACILITIES I'VE EVER BEEN IN.

UM, CAME OUT CLEAN.

THIS IS A VERY CLEAN OPERATION.

THEY DEFINITELY ARE NOTHING CLOSE TO THAT .

OKAY, THANKS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER, QUESTIONS ABOUT CLANDESTINE SHIPMENTS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? UH, SO WE, WE JUST LEARNED THAT THE FENCING IS NOT A PROPER USE FOR THE AREA.

UM, AND I BELIEVE IN LEAVING A PLACE BETTER THAN WE FOUND IT.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS CAN CONSIDER REMOVING THAT FENCE AS YOU LEAVE THE PROPERTY? UM, I, I THINK THEY'RE MORE THAN OPEN TO IT.

I WOULD, I WOULD NEED TO REFER BACK TO THE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER TO CONFIRM THAT THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT.

I, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.

I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT.

I APOLOGIZE, BUT I CAN FIND IT OUT.

AND I'LL SAY THE NEXT QUESTION FOR STAFF.

THE SAME QUESTION ALMOST, BUT YES, MR. CHAIR, COMMISSIONER HERBERT AND SOMEONE WISELY POINTED ME TO ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE, WHICH WILL IS MORE HELPFUL.

UM, BARBED WIRE AND RAZOR RIBBON FENCE IS PROHIBITED IN A NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT ON, UNLESS THE FENCE IS SIX FEET OR TALLER AND DOES NOT PROJECT INTO THE PROPERTY LINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DOES THAT SUFFICE COMMISSIONER HERBERT? THAT DOES.

UM, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO KNOWN THAT BEFORE I MADE THE LAST VOTE, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

THANK YOU .

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM OUR FOLKS ONLINE? OKAY, SEEING NONE.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

IN THE MATTER OF CASES Z 2 23 DASH 1 44, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF AN IR INDUSTRIAL RESEARCH DISTRICT, UH, APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1861 AND APPROVAL OF THE TERMINATION OF EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS Z 1 0 1 DASH 2 23.

AND I HAVE BRIEF COMMENTS IF I GO SECOND.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? YES, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ONCE GIVEN IS NOW BEING TAKEN AWAY.

THE, UM, I TOLD THEM WHEN I FIRST MET WITH THEM THAT I WAS NOT INTERESTED IN, IN THEM HAVING A, AND THEY'RE HAVING A DOUBLE ENTITLEMENT FOR THIS USE THAT IF WE GRANTED THE USE FOR THE NEW LOCATION, UM, I WANTED THE, UM, I WOULD'VE HEARD THAT THE ZONING FOR THE ORIGINAL LOCATION GO BACK TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE THIS PARTICULAR USE WAS ENTITLED.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THESE TWO CASES ARE DOING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS PLEASE? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? SO JUST AS WE CONSIDER THESE ITEMS AND AS THEY COME BACK, I'M GONNA ASK MASTER PLAN TO PLEASE CONSIDER THE RESIDENCE NEXT DOOR AS YOU, UM, INSTALL FENCING.

THAT'S ALL.

AND I'LL BE THINKING ABOUT THAT FIVE YEARS AGO.

CAUSE I'LL BE HERE.

NO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

WE WILL ALL REMEMBER ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS.

C ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS CONSIST OF CASES 13 THROUGH 20.

IT'S 2 28.

LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK NIGHT.

WE DO HAVE, UH, QUORUM COMMISSIONERS IS 2:47 PM WE'RE BACK ON THE RECORD.

MOVING TO THE SUBDIVISION

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I SEE MS. RESTA.

GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR, AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

CONSENT IS, UH, CONSENT ITEMS. ITEM NUMBER 13 S 2 23 DASH 1 94.

ITEM NUMBER 14 S 2 23 DASH 1 95.

ITEM NUMBER 15 S 2 23 DASH 1 96, ITEM 16 TO S 2 23 DASH 1 97.

ITEM NUMBER 17 S 2 23 DASH 200.

ITEM NUMBER 18 S 2 23 DASH 2 0 2.

ITEM NUMBER 19 S 2 23 DASH 2 0 3.

AND ITEM NUMBER 20 S 2 23 DASH 2 0 4.

ALL THE CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED FOR A HEARING AT THIS TIME.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND THE REST.

AMEN.

AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MS. ESTA COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE ITEMS 13 TWO THROUGH 20.

ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS? PARDON? SORRY.

PARDON ME.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON CASES 13 THROUGH 20 BEGINNING ON PAGE, UH, SIX.

ANYONE WANT TO BE HEARD? NO SPEAKERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION SIR? CASES 13 THROUGH 20 AND ITEMS ON CONSENT ON CASES 13 THROUGH 20.

I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE WITH, UM, STAFF'S SUGGESTIONS OF APPROVAL.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER BLAIR FOR YOUR SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

SERVE THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

ANY COMMENTS? SEE NONE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES CASE NUMBER 21.

ITEM NUMBER 21 S 2 23 DASH ONE 19.

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REFLECT A 0.757 ACRE TRACK OF LAND.

CONTAIN ALL OF LOT ONE IN CITY BLOCK OVER 73 56 TO CREATE ONE 0.378 ACRE.

THAT IS 16,452 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 0.379 ACRE.

THAT IS 16,506 SPORT LOT ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON OLD STRIP AT MICHAEL LANE, SOUTH SOUTHWEST CORNER.

18.

NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JUNE 30TH, 2023.

WE HAVE RECEIVED, UH, ONE REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND ARREST AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

MR. ESTA.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? THIS CASE NUMBER 21 S 2 2 3 1 98 COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SCENE NONE.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

IN THE MATTER OF S 22 3 1 98, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CON COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.

I SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

YES AND I I'M, I'M MISSING THE CASE NUMBER.

YOUR OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

22 AYE.

NUMBER 22 S 2 23 DASH 2 0 1.

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLANT A 0.402 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PART OF LOT 67 AND 68 IN CITY BLOCK 60 80 TO CREATE ONE 0.121 ACRE.

THAT IS 5,293 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 0.129 ACRE.

THAT IS 5,620 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND ONE 0.151 ACRE.

THAT IS 6,582 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON STANLEY SMITH DRIVE AT PROSPERITY AVENUE SOUTHEAST CORNER.

TAKING NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JUNE 30TH, 2023, WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLYING FAVOR AND ZERO REPLYING OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ESTA.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.

COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I

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NUMBER 22 S 2 2 3 2 0 1.

IN THE MATTER OF TEST 2 23 DASH 2 0 1 I MOVE TO APPROVE I'M CLOSED THE PUBLIC DOCKET AND APPROVE THE MATTER, UM, SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON FOR YOUR MOTION.

I SECOND IT.

ANY COMMENTS? SEE NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AND OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

NUMBER 23.

ITEM NUMBER 23 S 2 23 DASH 1 9 9.

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLY A 0.501 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 13 IN CITY BLOCK NINE OVER 62 20 TO CREATE ONE 0.230 ACRE.

THAT IS TEN THOUSAND TEN THOUSAND NINE SQUARE FEET, UH, LOT AND ONE 0.271 ACRE.

THAT IS 11,000 800 819 SQUARE FOOT LOT.

AND TO REDUCE THE 50 FOOT TARGET BUILDING LINE ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF WALNUT HILL LANE TO 35 FEET AND TO EXTEND THE 32 PLANTED BUILDING LINE ALONG THE EAST LINE OF ALMEDA LANE TOWARDS WALNUT HILL LANE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON ALMEDA LANE AT WALNUT HILL LANE, SOUTHEAST CORNER.

14 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON JUNE 30TH, 2023.

WE HAVE RECEIVED ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST AND, UH, PER PAVING AND 20 CONDITION 15 NEEDS TO BE REVISED TO READ AS ON THE FINAL PLAN.

DEDICATE 25 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY VIA FEE SIMPLE OR STREET EASEMENT FROM THE ESTABLISHED CENTER LINE OF ELNA D LANE STAFF.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES.

YOU MIGHT HAVE TO PRESS A LITTLE BUTTON.

NANCY RANDALL SCOTT AND I'M WITH SCOTT HOME BUILDERS.

I'M A FRIEND OF THE OWNERS AND A BUILDER, UM, HERE TO SUPPORT THEM.

I'VE BEEN TALKING WITH STAFF FOR THEM AND SO I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

HELLO.

AND I'M ASK STEFANO RNAS AND I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND I'M HERE TO ASK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR TWO SPEAKERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEE NON COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.

IN CASE NUMBER S 2 23 DASH 1 99, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE A PORTION OF THE EXISTING 50 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 35 FEET ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE SOUTH LINE OF WALNUT HILL LANE AND EXTEND THE 30 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING ALONG BUILDING LINE ALONG ALADA LANE TOWARDS WALNUT HILL.

WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REDUCTION OF THAT PORTION OF THE PLANTED BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LINE LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.

I SECOND IT.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

SO WE NEED A SECOND MOTION.

PARDON ME? PARDON ME.

SECOND MOTION PLEASE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.

IN CASE NUMBER S 2 23 DASH 1 99, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE REPLA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

GET HIM AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

AND I'M SORRY FOR THE PUPPIES.

I THINK YOUR MOTION WAS SECONDED BY THE LITTLE PUPPIES, .

ALL RIGHT, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND IT MYSELF.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

LOT 17 THROUGH 22 LOTS, 34 THROUGH 43 LOTS, FOUR A AND FIVE A LOTS 23 A AND 24 A IN CITY BLOCK.

ANY OPPOSED? AYE.

HAVE IT.

24 ITEM NUMBER 24 S TWO 12 DASH 180 6 R.

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPLY A 4.703 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING PARTS OF LOTS TWO AND SIX, ALL OF LOT THREE, LOT SEVEN THROUGH 15,

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M OVER 1537 APPORTION OF AN ABANDONED BNO, BNO BUNA VISTA STREET, A PORTION OF AN ABANDONED TRAVIS STREET AND A PORTION OF AN ABANDONED ALLEY TO CREATE ONE LOT AND TO REMOVE A 25 FOOT PLANTED BUILDING LINE ALONG, ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF PROPOSED ABANDONED PORTION OF UNA VISTA STREET ON PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN ARMSTRONG, ARMSTRONG AVENUE AND KNOX STREET NORTH OF TRAVIS STREET.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR S AMENDED AT THE HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? CASE NUMBER 24.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN THE MATTER OF S TWO 12 DASH 180 6 R I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC RECORD AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE EXISTING 25 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO ZERO FEET ALONG THE PROPOSED ABANDONED PORTION OF BUENA VISTA STREET WITH A FINDING IN FACT THAT REDUCTION OF THE PORTION OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR SETBACK LINE LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION, BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTEREST, ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

I SECONDED IT.

ANY COMMENTS? NO.

ALL THOSE IN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES ALSO IN THE MATTER OF S 2 23 DASH 180 6.

UH, MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE RELA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.

I SECONDED YOUR MOTION ON ANY DISCUSSION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

MRTA STREET NAME CHANGE CASE.

NEXT.

NUMBER 25, OH, PARDON ME, MRTA TOO SOON.

ITEM NUMBER 25 NC NC 20 23 0 3.

IT IS AN APPLICATION TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE NAME OF A PORTION OF BRADY NI ROAD BETWEEN SPUR 4 0 8 SERVICE ROAD AND GIOVANNI ROAD TO SARAH ROAD.

15.

NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE ING PROPERTY OWNERS ON JUNE 13TH, 2023 WITH A ZERO REPLY IN FAVOR AND ONE REPLY IN OPPOSITION.

NEWSPAPER NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED ON JUNE 15TH, 2023, AND NOTIFICATION SIGNED WERE POSTED ALONG THE GRAD ROAD ON APRIL 15TH, 2023.

THE SUBDIVISION REVIEW REVIEW COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ON THURSDAY, MAY 4TH, 2023 BY UNANIMOUS VOTE.

RECOMMENDED APPROVAL.

IS INTENDED TO DO AND DOES BASED ON SUBDIVISIONS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM.

MS. SCOTT.

IS MS. SCOTT ONLINE? NOPE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS ITEM? YES, PLEASE.

FRANK BRACKEN 57 17 CALAS ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS 75,236 ROAD NAME CHANGE REQUEST TO ELIMINATE DUPLICATION AND CONFUSION.

NC 2 23 DASH 0 0 3 SEEKS TO CHANGE THE EXISTING EAST RESIDENTIAL SEGMENT OF GRADY NLO ROAD, LYING A QUARTER MILE SOUTHEAST OF SPUR FOUR OH EIGHTS.

GRADY NILO EXITS AND COMPLETED WESTBOUND THOROUGHFARE TO SCHROCK ROAD.

THIS CHANGE IS INTENDED TO DISCOURAGE SEMI-TRUCK TRAFFIC TRYING TO REACH MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY TO THE WEST FROM GOING EASTBOUND INTO RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHICH HAS BEEN OCCURRING FOR ROUGHLY THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

AN EARLIER SUBDIVISION REVIEW THIS YEAR NOTED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION RECOGNIZED THE KNOWN ONLY ISSUE OF TRUCKS GOING EASTBOUND OFF SPUR FOUR EIGHT ON GREATER NI ROAD UNQUOTE TRANSPORTATION.

ALSO NOTED.

IN EFFECT, IT WOULD SUPPORT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT NAME EAST OF SPUR 4 0 8 IF PROPOSED THAT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF A STREET NAME CHANGE, WHICH THIS REQUEST

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PLEASE SUPPORT NC 2 23 DASH 0 0 3 REQUEST BY RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER COMMISSIONER? Y UH, YES.

MR. BRACKEN DON'T GO AWAY.

UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS TO THE WEST OF SPUR 4 0 8 A GRADY NLO ROAD THAT IS THE SITE OF SOME DESTINATIONS FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC, I GUESS WATER BOTTLING PLANTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND THE SOLUTION THAT YOU PROPOSE IS TO CHANGE THE EAST SIDE TO A DIFFERENT NAME.

WAS ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO CHANGING THE WEST SIDE TO A DIFFERENT NAME? YES, IT WAS.

UH, THEY ATTEMPTED IT TWICE.

UH, PROBLEMS ARE THAT THE, UH, 4 0 8 IS A STATE HIGHWAY.

THE THOROUGHFARE, UH, IS CONTROLLED OR INFLUENCED BY THE STATE.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION OR APPLICATION THAT WAS MADE EARLIER WAS TO CHANGE THE SUSPECTS OF THE NAME FROM GRADY NLO TO GRADY NLO LANE, OR GRADY NLO CIRCLE.

UH, AND THEY SAID NO, THAT WASN'T SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH, UH, OF A CHANGE.

SO, UH, AND THE STATE WAS NOT WILLING TO, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE THE EXIT NAME TO SOME OTHER NAME.

UH, IN OTHER WORDS, GRADY NLO EXIT OFF SPUR 4 0 8 IS CONTROLLED BY THE STATE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

WELL, LET ME, LET ME DRILL DOWN ON THAT.

I, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY CHANGING IT TO, TO GRADY NILO WAY OR ROAD WOULD NOT TRIGGER A CHANGE IN THE STATE HIGHWAY SIGNAGE.

BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE CHANGED IT TO WATER BOTTLING PLANT LANE, JUST TO TAKE AN EXAMPLE, THAT THE STATE WOULD REFUSE TO CHANGE THEIR SIGNS? WELL, THE STATE INDICATED, WE CON CONTACTED THE STATE, UH, PROBABLY, UH, FIVE YEARS AGO, AND I WAS INFORMED THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN APPROVAL, UH, THROUGH THE STATE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND THE LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE THAT EXIT NAME TO SOME OTHER ROAD NAME, WHICH THEY DEEMED THEY WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO DO.

SO TRANSPORTATION SOLUTION, UH, AT THE TIME, AND THEY SPENT A YEAR AND A HALF, UH, WORKING ON IT, WAS TO CHANGE.

THERE'S ONE SINGLE SIGN ON THE GRADY NELO THOROUGHFARE AT THE TERMINUS AT MARYFIELD, AND THEY PERIODICALLY CHANGED THAT TO, UM, MARYFIELD OR, OR, UH, LEDBETTER, LEDBETTER CIRCLE, LEDBETTER WAY DIFFERENT NAMES AND SO FORTH.

NONE OF THOSE WORKED HAD NO, NO EFFECT.

AND BASICALLY THE REASON THEY'RE HAVING NO EFFECT IS THERE WAS NO INPUT TO THE GPS SYSTEM.

OUR UNDERSTANDING IS FROM SEVERAL OF THE GPS PROVIDERS IS THAT UNLESS THERE IS A ROAD NAME CHANGE, THEY WILL NOT MAKE A CHANGE ON THEIR, UH, SYSTEMS. AND THEY HAVE, UH, FOR INSTANCE, UH, GARMIN HAS 35 DIFFERENT GPS VERSIONS SPREAD OUT OVER 15, 20 YEARS.

THEY ONLY UPDATE THE MOST RECENT ONES.

SO ALL THE OLDER ONES ARE NEVER, UH, NO ONE PAYS FOR THE SUBSCRIPTION FEE TO UPDATE 'EM AND SO FORTH.

SO WHEN THE TRUCKERS GET LOST, THEY GO TO APPLE OR GOOGLE, RIGHT.

UH, FOR, AND THEN THEY RECOGNIZE WHERE THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'VE MADE A MISTAKE AT THAT POINT IS WHERE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS OCCUR.

THEY TRY TO EITHER CUT THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL AREA TO MAKE A U-TURN OR BACK UP MANEUVER AND SO FORTH.

AND THEY'VE DONE DAMAGE MULTIPLE TIMES.

I THOUGHT ONLY MICROSOFT BEHAVED THAT WAY, BUT I GUESS I'M WRONG.

, UH, BACK TO THE STATE HIGHWAY ISSUE, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT IF, UH, TOMORROW, UH, WE CHANGE THE NAME OF SAY BUCKNER BOULEVARD TO MICHAEL YOUNG WAY, UH, THAT TO GET THE HIGHWAY SIGNS ON I 30 CHANGED WOULD REQUIRE AN ACT OF THE LEGISLATURE? I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT WE WERE TOLD ON GRADING THAT.

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN FOUR AND A HALF YEARS AGO THAT BASICALLY THE STATE DID NOT WANT TO ENTERTAIN CHANGING THAT NAME.

AND THAT SOUNDS BIZARRE, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST THING, BIZARRE THING THEY'VE DONE IN AUSTIN.

UH, WE, WE, WE ACTUALLY CHECKED TWICE.

WE WAITED I THINK SIX MONTHS AND MADE THE SECOND REQUEST FOR THE SAME ANSWER AND GOT THE SAME ANSWER, UH, BACK, UH,

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SO ALTERNATELY CHANGING THE EAST SIDE, WHICH WAS WHERE THE TRAFFIC PROBLEM WAS, WAS THE SOLUTION THAT, UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, WAS CHOSEN.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, MR. BRACKEN, SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT CHANGING THE NAME GOING WEST IS NOT OP, THAT OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT EXIST? IT WOULD, WELL, OR IT WOULD TAKE A STATE LEGISLATURE IN ORDER TO GET IT DONE.

THEN WHAT WOULD NOT MAKE IT THE SAME IF OUTGOING EAST IS CHANGED FROM GRADY NLO TO SHERA? WOULDN'T NOT, WOULDN'T THE SAME THING APPLY? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT, UH, WHAT, SO IF YOU'RE GOING UP 4 0 8 AND YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON 4 0 8 AND YOU, THERE'S AN EXIT EXIT THAT SAYS GRADY NLO.

UM, SO IF YOU'RE COMING NORTH ON 4 0 8, IS THERE NOT A SAME EXIT THAT SAYS GRADY NLO? UH, THERE IS AGRA, THERE IS AN EXIT, UH, NORTHBOUND ON TWO GRADY N THOROUGHFARE.

BUT ISN'T THERE A SIGN ON 4 0 8 THAT SAYS GRADY NIBBLE SAYS GRADY NIEL EXIT? YES, EITHER WAY.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH, IT'S GONNA SAY YOU WOULDN'T, IT STILL REQUIRE THE SAME PROCESS TO CHANGE THE NAME ON THE EAST SIDE AS IT WOULD TO CHANGE THE NAME ON THE WEST SIDE ON 4 0 8.

THE, THE CONFUSION IS THAT THE ULTIMATE OBJECTIVE OF THE TRUCK DRIVERS IS TO REACH THE BOTTLING PLANTS ON MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY.

SO THEY WANT TO GO, IF THEY COULD, THEY WANT TO GO WESTBOUND ON GRADY NLO THOROUGHFARE.

PROBLEM IS GRADY N THOROUGHFARE IS NOT COMPLETED AND THERE'S ERRONEOUS GPS DIRECTIONS, WHICH TELL THEM TO GO EAST ON GRADY NLO.

AND THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THAT IS TO DIVERT SOUTH ON PATRIOT RIDGE SERVICE ROAD AND THEN, UH, A QUARTER MILE AND THEN FURTHER EAST ON GRADY NLO, WHICH THEN CONNECTS TO TAIWAN'S WEST REDBURN.

AND THAT'S HOW THEY GET INTO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

AND COMPOUNDING THAT THE STATE HAS A SIGN LOCATED BETWEEN THE NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND CORRIDORS FOR TRAFFIC EXITING TO THE EAST THAT SAYS GRADY NLO ROAD POINTING TO THE EAST.

AND THEY NO TRUCK SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE TO PATRIOT RIDGE ROAD.

UH, PATRIOT RIDGE SERVICE ROAD HAS NOT DETERRED THE TRUCKS WHATSOEVER.

SO THEY IGNORE, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GOING THE WRONG CARDINAL DIRECTION, THEY'RE GOING AGAINST SIGNS, THEY'RE STATING NO TRUCKS.

THEY CONTINUE INTO THAT AREA TRYING, TRYING TO REACH, UM, THE BOTTLING PLANTS BECAUSE THEY'RE UNFAMILIAR GEOGRAPHICALLY WITH THE AREA AND WHERE THE PLANTS ARE ACTUALLY LOCATED.

I'M OKAY IF YOU'RE CONFUSED.

THEY ARE TOO .

I'M OKAY, I'M FINE.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, SIR? I DON'T.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD PLEASE.

I HAVE A SORT OF ONE JUST IN LISTENING TO THIS.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS RIGHT IF YOU PULL OFF, EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS GRADY NLO, OKAY, WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS BY CHANGING THE NAME, IT GOES GRADY NLO THIS WAY AND CHARLOTTE THAT WAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT.

BUT BUT IT WON'T STATE THAT ON THE EXIT SIGN.

RIGHT? IT'LL STILL SAY GRADY NLO ON THE EXIT SIGN.

SO YOU'RE PARDON? KNOX HENDERSON? YEAH, KNOX HENDERSON IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE.

BUT YOU PULL OFF AND IF YOU WERE GOING WEST, IT'S GRADY NLO LIKE WE OFTEN HAVE WHERE TWO STREETS COULD GO DIFFERENT NAMES IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, IT WOULD, YOU WOULD NOT BE AWARE OF THE SHROCK NAME UNTIL YOU REACHED THE RIGHT, UNTIL YOU READ END OF THE SERVICE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE PULLED OFF OTHER AREAS LIKE ON 75 THAT WAY THAT YOU PULL OFF AND ONE IS GOING THIS WAY AND IT'S CALLED SOMETHING AND ANOTHER ONE GOING THIS WAY AT THAT SORT OF INTERSECTION OFF THAT STOP SIGN OFF THE PULL OFF, MA'AM.

AND

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OKAY, SO HERE'S MY SECOND QUESTION.

WHEN YOU HAVE, AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE IT DOES GO TO THIS THINKING, I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THIS NOT HAPPEN BEFORE.

HOW DOES ONCE THAT NAME CHANGE, IF WE APPROVE THE NAME CHANGE, HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY GET INTO THE GPS? DO YOU KNOW? I MEAN, WHAT IS THE PROCESS THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN? THERE'S A STATEMENT IN THE, UH, UH, PLANNER'S, UH, DOCKET HERE THAT STATES THAT GOOGLE WILL HAVE TO BE NOTIFIED OF THE STREET NAME CHANGE.

AND ACTUALLY THAT HAS RAMIFICATIONS THAT GO TO ALL THE GPS PROVIDERS AND THEN THEY PHYSICALLY HAVE TO MAKE THE CHANGES THERE.

THE OTHER THING THAT'S NOT EVIDENT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR IS THAT WHERE YOU HAVE SPUR 4 0 8 RUNNING BASICALLY NORTH AND SOUTH AND GRADY NLO EXIT RUNNING EAST AND WEST ON THE EAST SIDE, IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO THE EAST TO CONNECT WITH LEDBETTER AND THEY'RE GONNA CALL THAT THE GRADY NLO EXTENSION.

SO GRADY NLO WILL BE CONTINUOUS FROM LEDBETTER ALL THE WAY TO MOUNTAIN CREEK PARKWAY.

SO WITH YOU HAVE A PARALLELING STREET TO THE SOUTH, A QUARTER MILE WITH THE SAME NAME, IT'S GONNA MAGNIFY FURTHER DOWN THE LINE WHEN THEY, UH, THAT CORRIDOR PORTION IS COMPLETED.

UH, SO THIS IS HEADING THAT OFF AS WELL.

SO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT, NOT JUST THE NAME CHANGE, BUT THE FACT THAT THE POWERS THAT BE GET THIS INTO THE GS SYSTEM IS GOING TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE ON THOSE PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE GOING WEST, ENTERING YOUR AREA? FINGERS CROSSED.

UM, SIGNAGE, ARROWS, WHATEVER.

THEY'VE TRIED FOR ANOTHER, UH, THEY'VE TRIED A NUMBER OF OTHER, OTHER THINGS.

NONE OF THE, NONE OF THE OTHER ATTEMPTS.

ALSO GRADY NLO EXIT HAS ONLY ONE STREET SIGN LOCATED ON THE EXTREME WEST END.

WHEN YOU NORMALLY, WHEN YOU GET OFF OF FREEWAY STREET, THERE'LL BE A POSTED STREET SIGN ON EITHER, LIKE THERE, THERE NEVER BEEN ONE THERE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER ARVA, DO YOU WANNA GO FIRST? EITHER WAY, THE QUESTION WAS UP TO STAFF.

IF WE HAD A PROCESS FOR, UM, ENTERING THIS INFORMATION TO GOOGLE.

ONCE THE, UH, COUNCIL APPROVE THE STREET NAME CHAIN, UH, IT GOES TO THE, UH, ADDRESS CHAINS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE, WHOEVER IS AFFECTED WHO, ALL THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THE ADDRESS CHAIN.

OUR ADDRESSING DEPARTMENT WILL SEND THE, UH, ORDER NOTIFICATION OF THE CHAIN.

THERE WILL BE LIKE CERTAIN TIME FOR, UH, THAT YOUR DISTRICT HAS BEEN, UH, CHANGED TO SARAH ROAD.

SO ADDRESS WILL BE CHANGED AFTER CERTAIN DAYS.

UH, THERE WILL BE A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME AND UH, THEY'LL ALSO CONTACT ALL THOSE, WHOEVER IS ENTITY, UH, SAYING THAT THE ISSUE NAME HAS BEEN CHANGED.

AND ALSO WE ALSO CONTACT, ONCE THE COUNCIL APPROVE, WE ALSO CONTACT THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, UH, FOR THIS STREET BLOOD SIGN TO BE CHANGED.

SO YEAH, SO SINCE THIS IS, UM, THIS IS COUNCIL INITIATED, SO YEAH, TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT WILL BE IN CHARGE OF CHANGING THOSE STREET NAME PLATES AFTER THE, AFTER THE CHANGE GETS APPROVED.

NECESSARILY, YOU MAY NOT HAD DIRECT INVOLVEMENT, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MS. STER OR LEGAL OR MAYBE EVEN SOMEONE IN THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT IT WOULD TAKE AN ACT OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE OTHER PORTION, UH, OF GRADY NLO IN LIGHT OF ITS ORIENTATION RELATIVE TO SPUR 4 0 8.

THIS IS KIMBERLY SMITH WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

IT IS A LOCAL ROADWAY.

NO, I DON'T BELIEVE, I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE.

THINGS CHANGE ALL THE TIME, BUT UM, WE DO COORDINATE WITH TEXDOT DIRECTLY ON NAME CHANGES IN I DO YOU HAVE ANY FAMILIARITY IN, IN THE EFFORTS TO CHANGE THE OTHER PORTION OF GRADY NLO? UM, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED THERE? I, I KNOW THAT THAT MAY NOT

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SO WE DID RECEIVE THE APPLICATION PRIOR, UM, TO HAVE THE WESTERN PIECE OF GRADY NLO.

WHEN THIS BOARD SAW THE MARYFIELD ZONING CASES, UM, IT DID, THEY, THEY WERE PROPOSING TO ACTUALLY EXTEND GRADY NLO ALL THE WAY TO 4 0 8, UM, PER THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE THEY NEEDED THAT ROADWAY, RIGHT? SO THEY WERE WILLING TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE WESTERN SECTION, HOWEVER, THAT ROADWAY DIDN'T GET BUILT.

AND IT IS ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN FOR THE LONG RANGE NEEDS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

BUT THE EASTERN SECTION IS THE PORTION THAT'S REALLY HAVING THE ISSUE WITH, WITH TRAFFIC AND WITH THE, THE ISSUE WITH THE ROUTING.

SO BY CHANGING THE EASTERN NAME, WE CAN ELIMINATE SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS. I, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU THINK CHANGING THE EASTERN NAME COULD ADDRESS SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, BUT IN YOUR VIEW, AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER THAT THAT'S TOTALLY FINE.

I, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT BEFOREHAND.

UM, IS CHANGING, SETTING ASIDE, WHAT BEST ADDRESSED THE ISSUES CHANGING THE WESTERN NA PORTION FEASIBLE IN THE DEPART NAME OF THE WESTERN PORTION FEASIBLE IN THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S VIEW? AND AGAIN, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, IT'S TOTALLY FINE.

I'D RATHER THAT WE, WE FIGURE THAT OUT THAN, THAN JUST TAKE A GUESS THERE.

I THINK EITHER NAME IS FEASIBLE, UM, TO CHANGE WITHOUT STATE APPROVAL BECAUSE THESE ARE LOCAL ROADWAYS.

IT'S JUST WE HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE STATE DUE TO THE, THE EXIT SIGNS AND THOSE ARE A SUBSTANTIAL COST.

AND IF WE CHANGE THE EASTERN PORTION, ARE YOU SAYING THAT COST IS NOT NECESSARILY INCURRED, BUT IF WE WOULD CHANGE THE WESTERN PORTION, IT WOULD BE, OR VICE VERSA, OR NEITHER? EITHER.

RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO REASON TO HAVE A WESTERN PORTION EXIT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T ACCESS GRADY NLO ON THE WESTERN SIDE FROM 4 0 8.

SO, SO IF WE DO CHANGE THE EASTERN PORTION, I'M, I'M, I, SORRY, I'M SLOW ON THE UPTAKE TODAY.

I, I WOULD, I TRANSPORTATION SUPPORTS THE NAME CHANGE FOR THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.

AND WOULD THAT REQUIRE A SIGNAGE CHANGE? IT, IT REQUIRES A LOT OF SIGNS CHANGE, JUST LIKE ALL NAME CHANGE SIGNS, HOUSES.

AND YOU SAID THE SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE SIGNIFICANT COST WOULD BE ATTRIBUTABLE TO TECH STOP FACILITY, TECH STOP FACILITIES IN EITHER WAY.

IF WE CHANGE EAST OR WEST, EITHER WAY IT WOULD REQUIRE THE SAME FEES.

GO BACK.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.

THESE HOUSES ARE ADDRESSED.

SO THIS BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.

THANKS FOR TALKING THROUGH THIS.

UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

UM, SO NOT TO SET TRIP, BUT THE WEST SIDE ALSO HAS TRANSPORTATION ISSUES WITH TRUCKS DRIVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS TAKES CARE OF THE EAST SIDE PROBLEM, BUT WILL THIS, HAS IT BEEN CONSIDERED THAT THIS WOULD, UM, MAKE THE WEST SIDE'S PROBLEM, UM, WORSE? STAFF? I HAVE A, BECAUSE WHEN YOU EXIT GRADY NLO ON THE WEST SIDE, THERE IS NO THOROUGHFARE.

CURRENTLY THERE'S A FARM.

UM, SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY MAKE A RIGHT ONTO THE CAPELLA PARK NEIGHBORHOOD MARYFIELD AND CAUSED ALL TYPES OF DAMAGE THAT THE HOA WE WE HAVE TO PAY FOR.

SO JUST CONSIDERING, JUST WANT TO KNOW HAS IT BEEN CONSIDERED ABOUT THE PROBLEMS ON THE WEST SIDE AND IF THIS IS GOING TO ADD TO THOSE, UM, CONCERNS, I, I DON'T FEEL THAT THAT'S GOING TO ADD TO THE CONCERNS DUE TO THE REMOVAL.

UM, I, I DID TRY TO GET MY SYSTEM TO ROUTE ME TO THE EAST SIDE ON GRADY NLO AND I COULD NOT GET GPS TO ROUTE ME TO THAT SIDE.

I REALLY FEEL IT'S A MORE OF A HUMAN ERROR THAN A GPS ERROR TO GET YOU TO ANYWHERE ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF GRADY NLO.

IF THOSE SIGNS ARE REMOVED DUE TO THE EXIT NOT BEING AN AN ACTIVE GRADY NLO EXIT, I BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS TRUCK TRAFFIC ISSUE BECAUSE THE TRUCKS WILL NOT BE EXITING GRADY NLO ANY LONGER.

THEY'LL BE EXITING DOWN ONTO 20 TO THEN TAKE MARYFIELD, UH, OR NO MOUNTAIN CREEK UP TO GRADY NLO, WHICH WOULD BE THE CORRECT TRANSIT ROUTE.

, SORRY, I'M, I'M MAKING A MAP WITH MY HANDS AND I'M BEHIND YOU GUYS SO WHAT'S GONNA END UP, I APOLOGIZE.

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UM, SO WHAT'S GONNA END UP HAPPENING IS WHEN THE NAME CHANGE HAPPENS, WE BELIEVE THAT, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATE, LET ME SAY IT THAT WAY.

WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE TRUCK TRAFFIC WOULD NOT BE EXITING THE GRADY NLO EXIT BECAUSE THERE WOULD NO LONGER BE A GRADY NLO EXIT AS OF TO, WELL AS OF ONCE THE NAME CHANGES HAS OCCURRED AND HAS BEEN APPROVED AND THE SIGNS HAVE THEN FOR BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE THERE IS NO MORE GRADY NLO THAT WOULD ACCESS 4 0 8 AT THE PRESENT TIME.

AND I GET THAT FOR THE EAST SIDE.

GRADY NLO DOES NOT ACT, YOU CAN'T ACCESS GRADY NLO FROM THE WEST SIDE EITHER.

THERE IS NOT A NAME GRADY NLO ON THE WEST SIDE.

THAT THAT IS CORRECT.

THE NAME IS NOT, WHICH IS WEIRD.

WHY IS THE EXIT NAME GRADY NLO AND THE STREETS NAME LED BETTER EXTENSION AND THAT STREET IS SET FOR THE GRADY NLO THOROUGHFARE.

SO IT'S THINK WE NEED SOME WORK ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.

IT ONCE THAT ROAD HAS BEEN EXTENDED, ONCE GRADY NLO HAS BEEN EXTENDED ALL THE WAY TO 4 0 8.

BUT I'M SORRY, YOU JUST SAID GRADY NLO IS GONNA BE EXTENDED, BUT WE JUST MADE A NOTE THAT THAT STREET NAME IS NOT GRADY NLO TODAY.

TODAY IT, WHEN IT GETS PAST THE, THE, THE THE NESTLE CAR, IT STOPS RIGHT? THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO STREET, BUT THERE IS OFF FOR GRADY NIB.

YOU CAN GIVE OFF THE AROUND AND UNDER.

WOULD YOU ASK THAT SPEAKER? THERE IS NO WAY TO GRADY NLO.

THERE IS NO WAY TO GRADY NLO OFF OF THE EXIT ON THE WEST SIDE.

IF YOU EXIT THE WEST SIDE ON GRADY NLO TO GET TO GRADY NLO STREET, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT TO GO UNDER THE BRIDGE AND INTO THE AREA.

YES, THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO CHANGE.

SO DO WE PROPOSE THAT WE TAKE THE EXIT TO GRADY NLO DOWN AND RENAME THEM BOTH ON BOTH SIDES? COMM COMMISSIONER HERBERT, I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE, I'M SURE CAN YOU SHARE YOUR SCREEN? IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE CAN GET A GOOGLE MAPS UP SO WE CAN WALK THROUGH THIS OR WE DON'T HAVE TO USE THE HAND SIGNATURE.

YOU DON'T LIKE THOSE? I'M CONFUSED BY THEM.

I'M MAKING A MAP.

, CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH PLEASE? OKAY, PERFECT.

SO THERE IS THE EXIT, UM, YOU SEE WHERE THE, THE RED.IS ON THE MAP.

DON'T, DON'T MOVE IT YET.

RIGHT NOW THAT RED.IS WHERE GRADY NLO ENDS.

CURRENTLY WE HAVE A THOROUGHFARE THAT WILL, IS PROPOSED TO EXTEND GRADY NLO ALL THE WAY TO 4 0 8 AND ACTUALLY EAST OF 4 0 8.

HOWEVER, TODAY, UM, THAT GRADING NLO THE EXIT THAT WOULD TAKE YOU TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE NORTH ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT IS MARYFIELD, UM, THAT ROADWAY, THAT SECTION WILL, THE NAME CHANGE WILL OCCUR WHEN THE ROADWAY IS EXTENDED.

SO BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID WHEN THEY BUILT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, I'M, I'M ANTICIP OR I'M, I'M EXPECT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GUESSING IS THEY JUST EXTENDED THEIR STREET NAME DOWN INTO THE EAST, HOWEVER, SORRY, ARE WE LOOKING AT YES, YES.

NO.

OKAY, THIS IS GOOGLE EARTH.

THIS IS JUST A GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE.

NO, NO, I THINK WHAT SHE, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

YOU IT'S NOT ORIENTED THE SAME WAY.

OKAY, WELL CAN CAN YOU SHOW WHERE THIS IS THERE? YEAH, CAN CAN, CAN YOU ORIENT? CAUSE IT'S NOT YES.

ORIENTATION.

IT'S THE MATERIALS IN OUR PACKET.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE SOUTHEAST OF WHERE THAT.IS.

SO WAIT, ZOOM OUT.

THOSE ARE VISUALLY A LITTLE CHALLENGED.

SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE, I THINK SHE JUST MOVED HER HAND.

UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OR THERE, THERE'S AN ARROW.

THE RED, UM, THE, THE RED.IS THE END OF GRADY NLO ON THE WEST SIDE, THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, THAT'S WHERE THE TRUCKS ARE TRYING TO GO TO THAT PORTION OF GRADY NLO.

THERE IS A UNDEVELOPED PLAN BETWEEN THE CUL-DE-SAC OR THE DEAD END OF GRADY NLO TO WHERE THE L OF MARYFIELD IS.

AND THIS IS ALL ON THE WEST SIDE OF 4 0 8.

THEN IF YOU GO TO THE EAST SIDE, SO SCROLL OVER JUST A BIT

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THAT ROADWAY RIGHT THERE.

AND THE SERVICE ROAD IS CURRENTLY CALLED GRADY NLO.

DOES IT CHANGE WHEN IT DOES TO 90 DEGREE ANGLE SOUTH? THAT'S CORRECT, CORRECT.

THAT'S WHEN IT GETS INTO KIS.

SO THE ROADWAY NAME CHANGE WOULD BE THAT EAST WEST, AND I AM NOT QUITE SURE WHY WE HAVE A, THE SERVICE ROAD IS ALSO GRADY NLO, BUT THAT WOULD NO LONGER BE GRADY NLO EITHER.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS, CORRECT.

SO IF YOU, IF YOU ZOOM IN, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE GRADY NLO POPS UP AND IT'S JUST FROM MY UNDERSTANDING HOW GOOGLE EARTH WORKS.

IT'S JUST USING IT AS THE, THE HEAD INTO THE ROADWAY.

BUT THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX IS ON 4 0 8 STATE HIGHWAY 4 0 8.

SO THE PHYSICAL ADDRESS IS STATE HIGHWAY 4 0 8.

SO JUST, JUST FOR REFERENCE, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, THE THE LITTLE SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE THAT'S OUT OF THE SCREEN THERE AT THE BOTTOM IS WHAT'S IN OUR DOCKET.

NLO ADDRESS, WHY AM I GONNA BE LOOKING FOR A GRADY NLO ADDRESS IF MY BOTTLING PLANT DESTINATION IS NAMED LORI BLAIR STREET? CORRECT.

AND I'VE BEEN HERE SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.

SO YOU, YOU TURN THE MICROPHONE ON PLEASE.

LOOKING BACK AT 4 0 8, ARE THERE SIGNS GOING IF YOU'RE TRAVELING BOTH NORTHBOUND AND SOUTHBOUND THAT SAY GRADY NLO FROM 4 0 8 AND WHY? YES.

WELL, HO HO HOLD ON.

SO THERE ARE SIGNS GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS.

YOU CAN EXIT BOTH WAYS AND SO ARE BOTH OF THOSE SIGNS GOING TO BE CHANGED AS A RESULT OF THIS? OKAY.

AND THEN IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, WHEN YOU DO EXIT AND YOU COME TO THIS TEE, THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS GRADY NLO AND AN ARROW AND THEN YOU COME ALL THE WAY AROUND.

SO THAT WILL ALSO BE CHANGED.

OKAY, I'M GOOD.

THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL COMMISSIONER STANNER JUST TO RECAPTURE THAT.

THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING CUZ THE REAL QUESTION IS WHY ARE THERE SIGNS ON 4 0 8 THAT SAY GRADY NLO AT ALL? SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IN CHANGING THIS TO SHARIK, IT WILL RESULT IN REMOVING THE GRADY NLO SIGNS BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH FROM 4 0 8 SPUR? YES MA'AM.

AND THAT ARROW, I KNOW I'M REPEATING IT, BUT I'M JUST RECAPTURING IT AND THE CIRCLE AROUND.

OKAY, SO IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THAT, NOT JUST THE STREET CHECKS.

YES MA'AM.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BLAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION THAT FOR STAFF THAT DOESN'T, THAT THAT BASED ON SOME OF THE, UM, EMAILS WE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION GRADY, THE NAME GRADY NLO IS A NAME THAT BELONGED TO A A FAMILY.

SO GRADY NLO ON THE WESTERN SIDE IS ALL INDUSTRIAL.

THE GRADY NLO ON THE EASTERN SIDE IS ALL, IS IS MORE INTENSELY RESIDENTIAL.

WOULD IT? AND AND THE AND I I UNDERSTAND THE, IF, IF I'M CORRECT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE GRADY NLO FAMILY FOUND IT KIND OF OFFENSIVE FOR US TO CONSIDER REMOVING THEIR FAMILY HERITAGE BY RETAKING OFF THAT NAME.

WOULD IT NOT BE EASIER TO LEAVE THAT GRADY NLO AND CHANGE THE NAME THE, CUZ YOU ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE THE NAME GRADY NLO.

WOULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN EASIER TO CHANGE THE NAME ON THE WESTERN SIDE FROM SOMETHING OTHER THAN GRADY NLO BECAUSE IT'S INDUSTRIAL? UM, YES.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION AT HAND FOR THE EASTERN SIDE NAME CHANGE.

THE DEVELOPERS ON THE WESTERN SIDE DID NOT SUBMIT AN APPLICATION TO MODIFY THE NAME.

AND THE ISSUE IS THE TRUCKS ARE TRYING TO TURN ONTO GRADY N BLOW.

SO IF YOU CONTINUE TO HAVE LIKE, LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN IF YOU HAVE AN OLDER GPS AND WE ARE NOT USING OUR SMARTPHONES RIGHT, WITH GOOGLE OR WHATEVER MAP PROGRAM YOU'RE USING, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE UPDATED.

SO YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE LOOKING FOR GRADY NLO.

NOW THERE WILL NOT.

IT TAKES THE HUMAN ELEMENT OF TRYING TO GET EXIT GRADY NLO.

WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR GRADY

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THEY'RE NOT CHANGE NAME BOTTLING THE BOTTLING PLANT UNLESS WE CHANGE IT.

NO, YOU MIGHT WANT, WELL, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT AN APPLICATION FOR SAID NAME CHANGE.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN, FOLLOW BY COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

WHAT, WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO INITIATE? CAN THREE CPC COMMISSIONERS INITIATE A NAME CHANGE FOR A STREET WITH THE MEMO SUBDIVISION WOULD NEED TO RESPOND TO THAT.

UH, YES.

SO YEAH, UM, THE STUDENT CHANGE CAN BE INITIATED BY THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THAT'S WHAT THIS APPLICATION WAS INITIATED WITH THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND OUR CITY PLAN COMMISSION ARE BY THE CITIZEN, UH, OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE BARKING THE STREET.

SO THERE ARE THREE WAYS.

SO JUST, JUST JUST FOCUSING ON, ON THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, THREE OF US CAN'T SUBMIT A MEMO TO INITIATE A NAME CHANGE.

IS THAT RIGHT? UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY.

I I THINK IT'S IT DOESN'T ASK THESE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

BUT REGARDING THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION, LET ME QUICKLY CHECK THE CODE.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT.

I, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, BUT I I THOUGHT I REMEMBER THAT WE COULD, UM, WE, WE CONSIDERED IT WITH BEAM JOHN EXTENDING IT PAST WHAT COUNSEL HAD, UH, REMEMBER THOSE DAYS.

SO I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN, I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S THREE OR A FIVE MEMBER MEMO.

I JUST, WHILE WE GET THAT ANSWER, COMMISSIONER, JUST SOME FLIP.

I'M SORRY.

NO, BUT WE, WE DISCUSSED EXTENDING IT.

NO, WE THOUGHT ABOUT EXTENDING IT.

UH, MS. SMITH, IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE NAME OF A THOROUGHFARE ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN BUT NOT CHANGE ANY OF ITS THOROUGHFARE ALIGNMENT OR CHARACTERISTICS, WOULD THAT REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN? NO, THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE NAME CHANGE PROCESS.

AND SO MECHANICALLY, IF WE WERE TO SUBMIT A THREE MEMBER MEMO OR FIVE MEMBER MEMO, AS THE CASE MAY BE TO INITIATE A STREET NAME CHANGE ON THE WEST SIDE AND WERE TO PUT THE PENDING APPLICATION UNDER ADVISEMENT AND TO TRY AND TIME IT SO THAT, AS I SAID ON THE EARLIER CASE, THE TURKEY AND THE DRESSING GET COME OUT OF THE OVEN AT THE SAME TIME, COULD WE THEN CONSIDER WHETHER TO CHANGE THE WESTERN HALF OR THE EASTERN HALF OR CONCEIVABLY BOTH HALVES OR NEITHER HALF? UH, IT'S FOR ANYBODY WHO KNOWS THE ANSWER.

I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION PLEASE? WHAT I WAS SAYING IS IF, IF WE WERE TO SUBMIT A THREE MEMBER MEMO OR FIVE MEMBER MEMO, AS THE CASE MAY BE TO INITIATE A STREET NAME CHANGE ON WHAT I'LL CALL WESTERN GRADY NLO AND ATTEMPT TO TIME IT SUCH THAT BOTH THAT CASE AND THE PRESENT CASE TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT CAME UP ON THE SAME DOCKET, WOULD WE THEN HAVE THE OPTION TO CHANGE THE WESTERN HALF OR THE EASTERN HALF, OR BOTH OR NEITHER? IT, SO TO START WITH THE FIRST PART, IT WOULD BE A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO AND NOT A THREE SIGNATURE MEMO.

AND YES, IF THAT WAS PROPERLY NOTICED, THE BODY COULD CHANGE EAST OR WEST.

IS BEFORE US? YEAH, I'M YOU'RE THERE.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, STANDARD HERBERT, I THINK WHAT'S BEFORE US IS TO SPECIFIC SPECIFICALLY ONLY CHANGE HALF BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WILL END UP WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS YOU PUT GPS IN ANY NAME YOU PICK, AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS WANTING TO DETER TRUCKS FROM COMING DOWN.

ITS RESIDENTIAL STREET.

SO IF WE WANNA TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FAMILY WHO GRADY NLO, YOU KNOW, DESCENDANTS, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THEY WOULD LIKE HIS NAME TO STILL BE ON HERE.

AND IF I HEARD CORRECTLY FROM MS. SMITH, THERE IS AN INTENT THROUGH THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN TO EXTEND THE WESTERN SIDE TO CONNECT DOWN TO LEDBETTER.

SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR GRADY NLO TO STAY ON THE WEST SIDE.

WHAT IS BEFORE US RIGHT NOW IS JUST A NAME CHANGE ON THE EAST SIDE, SPECIFICALLY TO SEPARATE THE EAST SIDE FROM THE NAME ON THE WEST SIDE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR WHAT

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THAT IS CORRECT? MM-HMM.

AWESOME.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD.

MY FEELING IS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD CAME TOGETHER AND PUT IN FOR THIS NAME CHANGE.

THEY'VE MADE AN APPLICATION, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE DEALING WITH TODAY AND THEY'VE GIVEN US VERY SOUND REASONS FOR DOING THAT.

AND I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA THAT THE NAME GRADY NLO ON THE WEST SIDE HAS LESS VALUE THAN GRADY NLO ON THE EAST SIDE.

WAIT A MINUTE.

SO I DON'T LIKE THE WAIT A MINUTE.

YEAH, I, I WAS JUST SAYING COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THAT I DON'T THINK THAT GRADY NLO ON THE WEST SIDE AS A NAME SHOULD BE CONSIDERED LESS THAN GRADY NLO IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.

WE STILL WOULD HAVE GRADY NLO ON THE WEST SIDE, THE NAME, SO THE NAME IS STILL BEING REPRESENTED.

THERE'S A PLAN TO EXTEND IT, SO IT'S STILL GONNA BE THERE.

AND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY IS FOR THE NAME CHANGE TO SHE.

AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T ALL OF A SUDDEN AFTER THEY'VE COME TOGETHER TO PROPOSE THIS, THAT WE SHOULD ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, NO, IT SHOULDN'T BE THIS, IT SHOULD BE ON THE OTHER SIDE.

I WOULD NOT BE FOR THAT AT ALL, MR. TURNER, FIGURE IT OUT.

BUT I BELIEVE THE, UM, MS. SMITH JUST POINTED OUT THAT THE APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF DALLAS, SO I DON'T YEAH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WENT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS'S.

THAT'S, YEAH, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS, BUT IT, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HERBERT.

UM, TO THAT POINT, I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBORS APPROACHED THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS.

PERFECT.

UM, JUST ON THE HISTORICAL VALUE, THE SHIRAC FAMILY WAS, THE SHERRA FAMILY WAS THERE BEFORE THE NLO FAMILY.

UM, THEY HAVE VERY ACTIVE DESCENDANTS AS WELL, RIGHT? THERE'S A PART THAT'S I HOPE TO BE DEVELOPED AND COMPLETED.

RIGHT? THAT'S ALREADY BEEN STARTED AND IT'S NAMED AFTER THE SHIRAC ENG GRADING NELO FAMILY.

RIGHT.

SO I THINK THE PLAN THAT'S SET BEFORE US IS GOOD FOR THE FUTURE PLANNING OF THIS AREA.

GREAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

WE'VE WE'RE QUESTIONED OUT.

COMMISSIONER HERBERT, DO YOU HAVE MOTION, SIR? I DO.

UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, APPROVE THE STREET NAME CHANGE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY COMMENTS? YES, SMALL COMMENT OF COURSE.

ALWAYS BACK TO HISTORY.

I I I I LIKE THESE TWO FAMILIES.

THEY BOTH FOUGHT IN THE UNION.

UM, THE SHERA FAMILY LEFT TEXAS CUZ THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH SLAVERY.

I LIKE THIS.

I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE HONOR THESE TWO PEOPLE IN THIS WAY.

COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.

THANK YOU FOR THE CONTEXT.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

I THINK THE PROBLEM ARISES FROM THE FACT THAT THE WESTERN SEGMENT HAS THE SAME NAME AS THE EASTERN SEGMENT.

SO I THINK IT IS VERY SHORTSIGHTED TO SAY THAT ONLY THE EASTERN SEGMENT IS BEFORE US WHEN THE PROBLEM THAT IS PRESENTED FOR SOLUTION COULD BE SOLVED BY CHANGING EITHER NAME TO BE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER.

SO THE QUESTION IS WHICH NAME CHANGE MAKES THE MOST SENSE? IF WE CHANGE THE WESTERN SIDE, WE ARE CHANGING THE ADDRESS OF TWO BOTTLING PLANTS.

IF WE CHANGE THE EASTERN SIDE, WE ARE CHANGING THE NAME OF THE ADDRESS OF 10 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, A CHURCH AND AN ENTIRE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

ADDITIONALLY IS THE FACT THAT THE NIB FAMILY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, ORIGINATED AND TO SOME EXTENT STILL LIVES ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO IF THE NAME IS TO BE PRESERVED, PRESERVING IT ON THE EAST SIDE MAKES MORE SENSE THAN TO PRESERVE IT ON THE WEST.

I SYMPATHIZE GREATLY WITH THE PROBLEM THAT HAS BROUGHT, UH, MR. BRACKEN AND THE OTHERS HERE TODAY.

AND I'M ANXIOUS TO FIND A SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM, BUT I THINK WE'RE BEING VERY SHORTSIGHTED IN, IN THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE CHOOSING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER POPKIN, PLEASE.

SHE APPEARS TO BE FROZEN.

WELL, SEMI FROZEN.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? NOW WE CAN, YES.

DITTO.

CHANGING

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THE NAME FOR THE BOTTLING PLANT SEEMS TO FIX THE PROBLEM BETTER THAN ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVING TO CHANGE THEIR ADDRESS.

AND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? I HAVE HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE.

IS THAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PLEASE? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON? YES IT IS.

UM, IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR ANY KIND OF COMPROMISE? I MEAN, AND, AND FOR HISTORICAL CONTEXT, THIS, THE DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN ON THE CIROC SIDE, I GUESS I WOULD CALL IT.

UM, IS THAT ON THIS SIDE OF 4 0 8 OR IS THAT ON THE EAST SIDE? SO WOULD IT RELATIVELY NAME THEIR DEVELOPMENT ON, THAT'LL BE ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE SHROCK OR SHOULD IT BE, UM, NAMED RELATIVE TO, TO WHICH SIDE OF, OF THE, OF 4 0 8 BECAUSE I THINK 4 0 8 ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS A COMMUNITY THERE THAT I GUESS FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, WAS FOUNDED BY THE GRADY NLO OR THEY'RE MORE INTERESTED, OR THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE DONE MORE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EASTERN SIDE AND ON THE WESTERN SIDE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT I THINK SH SHOULD AND COULD WARRANT A DIFFERENT NAME IN ORDER TO EASE THE PAIN.

UM, SO I'M JUST WONDERING IS IS THERE ANY KIND OF COMPROMISE THAT, THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE FOUND? I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE DIRECTIONS ARE TELLING THE PEOPLE TO TAKE GRADY NLO, CHANGING THE NAME ON THE EAST SIDE TO SHROCK CHANGES THAT SEARCH ATMOSPHERE.

IT CHANGES THE DIRECTION, IT CHANGES A LOT, RIGHT? IT'S NOT THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING STRAIGHT TO THIS, THESE TWO PLANTS, THEY'RE GOING TO SEVERAL PLANTS ON THAT MOUNTAIN CREEK ROAD AND THE DIRECTIONS TO GET THERE TELLS THEM TO TAKE GRADY NLO CHANGING THE NAME, THE SHIRAC WILL HELP HOPEFULLY AVOID THAT.

UM, ON THAT EAST SIDE, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE MEAT OF THE PROBLEM.

UM, THAT THAT SEARCH OF GRADY NLO NOT ONLY FOR THE TWO PLANTS, BUT FOR THAT ENTIRE MOUNTAIN CREEK INDUSTRIAL AREA IS, IS THE PROBLEM.

STAFF CAN MAYBE, WELL YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT THE SHI ROCKS OR ARE SPEARHEADED WHICH SIDE OF 4 0 8 IS IT ON THE PARK? THE PARK IS ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE THE, WHERE THE NAME CHANGE IS BEING, BEING, UM, PROPOSED.

OKAY, SO THE SAME SIDE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. PIT COMMISSIONER RUBIN.

YEAH, I MEAN, HERE'S HOW IT BREAKS DOWN FOR ME IS THAT THE EAST SIDE IS, YOU KNOW, WAS OCCUPIED BY BOTH THE SHEEK OR SHERA AND N NLO FAMILIES, WHICH IS THE PORTION OF THE AREA THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THEM PROBABLY CARE MOST ABOUT.

AND CURRENTLY IT'S CALLED GRADY NLO ON THE EAST SIDE.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF LEAVING THE WESTERN INDUSTRIAL PORTION AS GRADY NLO IN LIGHT OF THE STATUS QUO IS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO HONOR THE NLO FAMILY, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE SHROCK FAMILY IS ARGUE ARE ALSO BEING HONORED BY THE, YOU KNOW, HOMESTEAD AND WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL, WILL TURN INTO SOME SORT OF PARK.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT'S UNDER CITY OWNERSHIP RIGHT NOW.

SO ULTIMATELY I SEE THE BEST SOLUTION LIKE COMMISSIONER YOUNG AND COMMISSIONER POPKIN HERE AS CHANGING THAT THE, THE WEST SIDE.

I THINK IT'S KIND OF, IT'S IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE, BUT THAT'S WHERE I COME DOWN ON IT.

IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED OH, ULTIMATELY, I, I THINK THAT THE BEST SOLUTION WOULD BE CHANGING THE, THE WEST SIDE AND I WOULD GLADLY LEND MY NAME TO A FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO TO DO THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER STANDARD DON'T.

WELL MY, MY MY FEELING ABOUT THAT IS THE WHOLE ISSUE WAS THE PEOPLE, THE TRUCKS GOING ON THE EAST SIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING DIRECTED THERE.

WE'RE BACK TO THE GPS THING AND THAT CHANGING THE NAME ON THE OTHER SIDE DOESN'T ALLEVIATE THAT PROBLEM.

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THE POINT WAS THE WHOLE OBJECTIVE OF THE NAME CHANGE, NONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST DESIRED TO HAVE A NAME CHANGE AND ALL THE ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ENTAILS.

BUT THEY'D RATHER HAVE A NAME CHANGE THAN HAVE TRUCKS CONSTANTLY WANDERING AROUND THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE GPS AND GPS ISN'T GOING TO CHANGE WITHOUT THAT NAME CHANGE, WHICH IS WHAT THE REAL ISSUE WAS.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEGGING THE QUESTION AND HAVE JUST GOTTEN TO WHICH SIDE, WHICH FAMILY'S NAME SHOULD GO ON WHEN THAT'S NOT EVEN THE OBJECTIVE OF IT.

THE OBJECTIVE WAS THAT, SO GPS DOES NOT GET YOU THERE AND I THINK WE NEED TO STAY WITH THAT OBJECTIVE AND, UH, SUPPORT COMMISSIONER HERBERT, COMMISSIONER .

BUT I THINK IF YOU CHANGE THE NAME ON THE WESTERN PORTION FRONT, YOU KNOW THAT THAT FRONTS ALONG WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES TO WATER BOTTLE ROAD, NESTLE ROAD, COMMISSIONER YOUNG ROAD, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.

IF SOMEONE KNOWS THAT THE NESTLE PLANT IS ON COMMISSIONER YOUNG ROAD, THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET OFF ON A GRADING NLO EXIT.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE MISLED BY THAT.

AND IF THEY PUT IT INTO THEIR GPS, THEY WILL GET TO THE SAME LOCATION BECAUSE THEY PUT COMMISSIONER YOUNG ROAD INTO THE GPS.

SO THAT'S AT LEAST HOW I UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT MAYBE , IS THAT GONNA BE PART OF THE FINE MEMBER MEMO? COMMISSIONER YOUNG ROAD COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.

JUST FOR THE RECORD, , UH, YOU HAVE TO BE DEAD TO HAVE A ROAD NAMED AFTER YOU, SO I RESPECTFULLY DECLINE WAIV, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE MADE THOSE EXCEPTIONS.

WHERE'S, WHERE'S COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? THERE SHE IS.

YEAH, WE, YEAH, THERE.

SHE'S WAVING.

WE HAVE MADE THOSE EXCEPTIONS.

COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.

I THINK IT IS A GOOD SOLUTION.

I THINK IT RECOGNIZES BOTH FAMILY NAMES.

UM, I AM NOT AS CONFIDENT IN THE ABILITY OF TECHNOLOGY TO BE UPDATED QUICKLY.

SO I THINK GPS WILL STILL BE DIRECTING DEGRADING NAU FOR SOME TIME AND IT WILL TAKE YEARS TO SORT OF UNWIND FROM THIS.

AND I THINK IF WE WERE TO FLIP IT, FIRST OF ALL, THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEFORE US TODAY.

UM, AND SECOND OF ALL, I, I THINK IT WOULD JUST TAKE A MUCH LONGER PROCESS TO UNWIND THAT.

BUT THE MAIN REASON IS IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO TODAY.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, FOLLOW THE COMMISSIONER BLACK.

WHEN I, UM, AGREED TO SIT ON THIS COMMISSION, I WAS NOT TOLD THAT I WOULD BE ASKED TO MAKE THESE KIND OF DECISIONS.

THEY, THEY DON'T TELL YOU LOTS OF THINGS.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UH, FROM MY WHAT I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT BOTH SHARA AND GRADY NIBBLER ARE ON THE WEST.

I MEAN ON, ON THE EAST, ON THE EAST SIDE.

SO IS IT'S FLIP A COIN.

I ALSO, BECAUSE I I ALSO WORKED A CASE THAT HAD TO, UM, DEAL WITH TRAFFIC AND I STILL HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, I STILL GET ANTSY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GRADY NIBBLE, UM, AND TRUCKS AND INDUSTRIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL AND THAT COMMUNITY.

AND I'VE BEEN UP AND DOWN GRADY NIBBLE FROM MOUNTAIN CREEK IN, FROM THE EASTERN SIDE, AND MR. BRACKENS TOOK ME ON, ON A VERY LONG, LONG, LONG TOUR.

UM, WELL, I DO SAY THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO CHANGE GRADY NIBBLE ON THE WESTERN SIDE BECAUSE OF THE LESS IMPACTS.

UM, BUT WHAT THEORETICALLY WE HAVE BEFORE, AND I WOULD AGREE THAT IF WE WERE 30, 45 DAYS, SIX MONTHS, UH, UH, BEFORE US INSTEAD OF WHERE WE ARE TODAY, UM, AND IF THE COMMUNITY AND, AND, AND IF THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T HAVE, BUT WE DON'T SEE ANYBODY FROM THE, THE GRADY NIBBLE FAMILY HERE WHO WOULD JUST SPEAK AND IF THE COMMUNITY HAS ALL GOT GOTTEN TOGETHER AND SAID THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO CHANGE THEIR ADDRESSES FROM GRADY NLO TO SHROCK.

UM, AND THE COMMISSIONER IS, HE SAID, HAS A, THEY UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PLAN IN PLACE TODAY THAT THIS

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NAME CHANGE IS GOING TO ALSO BE SUPPORTIVE OF.

I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE COMMISSIONER OF THIS, OF THIS PARTICULAR, IT'S A HARD ONE, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA SUPPORT HIM.

UM, BECAUSE HE HA BECAUSE HE KNOWS, UH, THE, HE KNOWS HE, HE IS SITTING FIVE STORIES UP LOOKING DOWN AT A BIGGER PICTURE AND I'M SITTING IN THE WEEDS OF IT AND, AND LOOKING STRAIGHT AHEAD.

THANKS.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? QUICK CLARIFICATION.

THE NAME OF THE PARK IS PROPOSED TO BE SHIRA NLO PARK, NOT GRADY, BUT SHIRA NLO PARK.

JUST FYI.

UH, COMMISSIONERS THE MATTER OF NC 2 23 0 3 HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER HERBERT SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TREADWAY TO FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

MS. SINA, CAN WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE PLEASE.

UH, DISTRICT FOUR? YES.

DISTRICT THREE MAKER THE MOTION? YES.

DISTRICT 13? YES.

DISTRICT SIX? YES.

DISTRICT ONE? NO.

DISTRICT 15? NO, I'M SORRY.

AND DISTRICT NINE.

NO, YOU DIDN'T ASK ME.

I'M ABOUT TO .

IT'S NOT FINISHED.

DISTRICT EIGHT? YES, CARRIES.

MOTION PASSES.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.

LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FIRST CASE FOR MS. SMITH AND JUST THANK MS. SMITH FOR ALL HER ASSISTANCE ON THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT WAS NOT HERS, EVEN THOUGH I KEPT ASKING HER.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK? WHAT'S HAPPENING IN YOUR CASE? I APPRECIATE IT.

NUMBER 26.

HAPPY TO HELP WHEREVER I CAN.

WE ARE DEDICATED TO A SERVICE OF EXCELLENT, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMER SUPPORT.

AND RIGHT NOW YOU'RE MY CUSTOMER.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STREETS OF VEHICULAR CIRCULATION PLAN TO CHANGE HARWOOD STREET BETWEEN JACKSON STREET AND COMMERCE STREET FROM 64 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND 44 FEET OF PAVEMENT TO 58 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND 40 FEET OF PAVEMENT.

AND TO UPDATE THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND PAVEMENT DESCRIPTIONS TO REFLECT EXISTING CONDITIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AND CITY PLAN COMMISSION THOROUGH FAIR COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

UH, DO WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER ONLINE? OKAY, THIS IS MICHAEL KOWSKI, I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE OWNER IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR, UH, OUR SPEAKER ONLINE.

WHAT'S HIS NAME? MICHAEL? YES.

THIS IS NUMBER 26 CENTURION? YES.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? COMMISSIONER STANNER.

OKAY, SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIR? YES.

COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF IF I MAY.

UH, MY APOLOGIES QUESTION FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.

THAT TO, TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT, UH, PORTION OF THE WELL, I WILL, WILL NOT DELAY OUR ACTION ON THIS AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO FOLLOWING UP WITH STAFF ON THAT.

UM, MS. SMITH, UM, I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE THE HARWOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT PLAN.

IS IT CORRECT THAT THE LANGUAGE REQUIRES THAT PUBLIC AND PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY? IMPROVEMENTS ARE SUBJECT TO THE PRESERVATION CRITERIA, BUT WHILE THIS IS JUST A THOROUGH FAIR AMENDMENT, THAT THAT'S, UM, ESSENTIALLY THAT IT'LL BE LATER IN THE PROCESS WHEN IT WILL, UM, BE CONSIDERED UNDER THE HISTORIC OVERLAY.

UM, PER THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU JUST SENT ME, I BELIEVE MICHAEL MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT CORRECTLY.

HE IS, HIS FIRM DOES, UH, RELY ON THE HISTORIC OVERLAY.

MR. KOWSKI, WOULD YOU CARE THAT? I APOLOGIZE.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

I WOULD HAVE TO ALSO RESEARCH

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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF? OKAY, NOW, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO IN, WELL, THERE'S NO MATTER HERE, HERE, IT'S UH, OKAY.

IN, I GUESS MATTER 23 DASH 1902, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL.

YOUR COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND TO FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

UH, ANY DISCUSSION? THAT'S FINE.

IT'S CORRECT ONE.

YEP.

THE, UH, HARWOOD STREET BETWEEN JACKSON STREET AND COMMERCE STREET.

ANY COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL CITY PLAN COMMISSION THOROUGHFARE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

YOUR OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.

NUMBER 27 PLEASE.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STREETS IN VEHICULAR CIRCULATION.

PLAN TO CHANGE THE OPERATION ON HARWOOD STREET BETWEEN IH 30 AND MAIN STREET FROM TWO LANES SOUTHBOUND, TWO LANES NORTHBOUND AND A CENTER TURN LANE TO A ONE LANE SOUTHBOUND, ONE LANE NORTHBOUND AND DIRECTIONAL BICYCLE LANES.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO.

REGISTERED SPEAKERS.

COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, PLEASE.

UM, MS. SMITH, SIMILAR QUESTION, UM, AS THIS IS PART OF THE HISTORIC OVERLAY, FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND FUTURE PROJECTS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE, UM, ORDINANCE.

IS THAT CORRECT? I WILL HAVE TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

AND THEN SECOND FOLLOW UP.

I RECEIVED A, UH, QUESTION FROM, UM, A NEIGHBOR, UM, WHO WAS WANTING TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE REMOVAL OF THE CENTER TURN LANES.

THE PROPOSAL BEFORE US TODAY WILL CHANGE THE DESIGNATION AND REMOVE THOSE CENTER TURN LANES.

IS THAT CORRECT? ONLY WHEN THE SPACE IS NEEDED TO BE REMOVED.

IF TRANSPORTATION OPERATIONS DEEMS THAT THE NEED OF A CENTER TURN LANE, WE WILL ENSURE THAT THE OPERATION IS, IS MAINTAINED.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE MOTION? I DO.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF 23 DASH 1 9 0 3, UM, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND THE CITY OF DALLAS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STREET TO VEHICULAR CIRCULATION PLAN TO CHANGE THE OPERATION ON HARWOOD BETWEEN I 30 AND MAIN STREET.

CITY PLAN COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

COMMISSIONER HEMPTON.

COMMISSIONER KINGSLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SECOND US? IT'S IT'S TWO AND 14 COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.

SECOND, THE MOTION.

ANY COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.

A ANY OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT.

COMMISSIONERS LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG HAS A CONFLICT ON CASE NUMBER 28 AND HAS STEPPED OUT OF THE CHAMBER.

THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE DALLAS CITY OF DALLAS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STREETS AND VEHICULAR CIRCULATION PLAN TO CHANGE WOOD STREET BETWEEN GRIFFIN STREET AND FIELD STREET FROM 80 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT TO 60 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND 36 FEET OF PAVEMENT.

AND TO UPDATE THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AND PAVEMENT DESCRIPTIONS TO REFLECT EXISTING CONDITIONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON OR HAMPTON.

ANYWAY, WANNA MAKE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, HAPPY TO THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

IN THE MATTER OF CASE 23 DASH 19 0 4, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, INVOLVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO AMEND THE CITY OF DALLAS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STREETS AND VEHICULAR CIRCULATION PLAN TO CHANGE WOOD STREET BETWEEN GRIFFIN STREET AND FIELD STREET.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.

COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG IS STEPPING BACK INTO THE CHAMBER.

WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A RECONSIDERATION REAL QUICKLY OF THE MINUTES.

COMMISSIONER YOUNG? YES, MR. CHAIR.

I MOVE TO RECONSIDER OUR VOTE OF EARLIER TODAY ON THE JULY

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SIX MINUTES.

I SECOND THAT.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT.

COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, MR. CHAIR.

I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE JULY 6TH CPC MINUTES AS REVISED WITH THE FOLLOWING ADDITIONAL REVISION ON ITEM 11.

UH, DOCKET NUMBER 23 1 7 82 ZONING CASE Z 22 3 129.

CHANGE DENIAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE TO DENIAL WITH PREJUDICE.

IF I HAVE A SECOND, I HAVE A BRIEF COMMENT.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.

COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER TREADWAY FOR CALLING OUR ATTENTION TO THIS.

BUT HER NOTES REFLECT AND MY MEMORY REFLECT, AND COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, THE MAKER OF THE MOTIONS MEMORY, REFLECT THAT THE DENIAL ON THIS CASE WAS IN FACT WITH PREJUDICE.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.