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SHOULD WE GET STARTED? YES.

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GOOD MORNING.

IT'S 9 0 3.

WE CONVENE OUR DALLAS PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING TO ORDER.

I HOPE EVERYONE IS HAVING A GOOD SUMMER.

IT SHOWS BY THE VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE THAT EVERYONE IS HAVING A GOOD SUMMER WITH THAT FIRST POINT OF BUSINESS PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

MADAM SECRETARY? YES.

WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS TODAY.

UM, FIRST SPEAKER IS GONNA BE MS. VIVA DEBA AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND READ THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES.

EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO BLEAK.

PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO THE CHAIR ONLY AND ANY SPEAKER WHO MAKES PERSONAL PERTINENT OR SLANDERS REMARKS OR BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE PARK BOARD OR RESORTS TO THROWING OBJECTS WHILE WILL BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY.

BARRED FROM ME.

FIRST SPEAKER IS MS. JESSICA AT THE PASS YOU CAN COME UP TO THE BOARD, THE TABLE.

SORRY, SHE'S A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS.

OKAY.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

MEET YOU.

GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS VIDA.

I AM RESIDENT IN DISTRICT FOUR.

I CAME TO YOU TODAY.

ME ON BEHALF FOR OF MY COMMUNITY TO REQUEST THAT HEND PARK BE TODAY BE CONSIDERED IN THE 2024 PARK BOND.

WHEN I GO TO HENDRA PARK, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE NOT MANY PLAYGROUNDS AND PARK.

AND THEN LIKE MY FAVORITE, THE SWINGS, THE PLAYGROUND NEEDS, REPAIRS.

THERE IS LOT OF POISON IVY THAT NEEDS CREAM AND THE CREEK MEANS CLEANING.

I COMPARE TO, I COMPARE IT TO OTHER PARTS, OTHER PARK.

WE LIKE TO GO TO KIDS SPRING AND LAKE CLIFF BECAUSE OF THE PLAYGROUND NEIGHBORHOOD.

MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE OF MANY UNIQUE AREAS IN OAK CLIFF.

I SADLY CURRENT, SADLY AND SADLY, AND THE CURRENT PARK DOESN'T REFLECT THE BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THE FAMILIES AND CHILDREN SURROUNDING HINDEN PARK ARE MADE OF, OF, OF DIFFERENT CULTURES AND BACKGROUNDS AND WE DESERVE A BETTER PARK.

WE ALL CAN ENJOY IN WALKING DISTANCE.

MY MOM AND I SENT OUR A SURVEY TO OUR NEIGHBORS, ASKED THAT THEY RENTED BRADEN, WAITED, HOW MUCH WE VISIT THE PARK, HOW SAFE THERE ARE, ARE VISITING, AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS AND AMENITIES ARE NEEDED.

AND LIKE US MOST AND AND OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RATHER VISIT OTHER PARKS.

THE TOP REQUESTS ARE AN AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND DOG PARK.

AND TO REPLACE THE TENNIS COURT FOR A COMMUNITY VOLLEYBALL COURT AND SWINGS IN THE SURVEY, OUR NEIGHBOR AGREED THEY WILL BE WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER ALONGSIDE WITH THE CITY TO KEEP THE PARK CLEAN.

ALTHOUGH, ALTHOUGH BY THE TIME THESE UPGRADES ARE COMPLETE, I MAY NOT BE AT THE AGE WHERE I CAN ENJOY THE PLAYGROUND LIKE I ONCE DID.

BUT MY LITTLE SISTER AND COMMUNITY AND OTHER CHILDREN WILL BE ABLE TO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING.

YOU ARE AWESOME.

AND I'M PRETTY SURE THIS BOARD IS GOING TO CONSIDER WHAT YOU SAID.

THANKS FOR COMING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. ALI HASAN.

MR. HASAN, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR VIDEO AND AUDIO PLEASE? UH, YES.

COULD YOU, UH, CAN YOU GUYS SEE ME? WE CANNOT SEE YOU.

WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT WE CAN'T SEE YOU.

SEE YOU.

I CAN SEE.

OH, BOTTOM LINE CORNER NEXUS SPOT.

OH, YEP.

WE CAN SEE YOU.

YOUR THREE MINUTES IS STARTING.

OK.

PERFECT.

NOW I AM, UH, I AM HEARING THE AUDIO THROUGH MY PHONE, SO I APOLOGIZE

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IF THERE'S, UH, BACKGROUND NOISE.

UM, MY NAME IS ALI HASSAN.

I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH EVERETT CONSTRUCTION.

WE WERE SELECTED TO DO COMPLETE THE MAL CARUM RESTROOM IMPROVEMENT.

SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY WAS NAME.

UH, THE CONTRACT NUMBER IS PKR 2 0 2 1 DASH 0 0 0 1 7 4 8 3.

UH, UM, THE PROJECT STARTED ON JANUARY 1ST, 2022 AND WAS COMPLETED AND IS CURRENTLY IN USE.

UH, IT WAS BY THE END OF JANUARY, 2023.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE GIVEN A TERMINATION LETTER ON FEBRUARY 2ND, 2023, UH, WITH AN EXPLANATION, BUT, UH, WE DID NOT GET PAID OUR FINAL PAYMENT RETAINAGE OR CHANGE ORDERS, WHICH IS DOUBLING AROUND $140,000.

WE REQUESTED AN APPEAL WITH THE PARKS AND REC, UH, BOARD REPRESENTATIVE, AND WE DID HAVE A MEETING ON MARCH 10TH, 2023.

WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION REGARDING THE REASONING OR EXPLANATION FOR WHY WE DID NOT GET PAID OR RETAINED OUR CHANGE ORDERS FIRST, UH, TERMINATION LETTER.

UM, BUT WE DID TRY TO, UH, GET A FURTHER EXPLANATION FOR, FOR THE REASONING.

I DID SEND A PACKAGE VIA CERTIFIED CITY, UH, WHICH WAS ADDRESSED.

UH, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M ALLOWED TO SAY PROJECT MANAGEMENT OR NOT, BUT I SENT IT TO THE PROJECT MANAGER, UM, AS WELL AS HIS MANAGER, UH, TO TRY TO GIVE MORE INFORMATION AND GET SOME MORE CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE REASONING WHY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE BELIEVE THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET PAID, IT WAS RECEIVED ON JUNE 13TH, 2023 AT 7:00 AM WE WOULD LIKE AN UPDATE ON THIS CLAIM, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE COMPLETED THE CHANGE ORDERS OUTTA GOOD FAITH.

I HAVE EMAILS, UH, EXPLICITLY, UH, UH, APPROVING CHANGE ORDERS THAT WE WERE TOLD TO PAY OUT A GOOD FIT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, UH, UP UNTIL THIS POINT, I MEAN, IT'S JULY NOW.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BACK.

WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE'RE, WE'D BE EXPECTING A LETTER FROM THE PARKS.

UH, UH, I I I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE DIRECTOR OR THE PRESIDENT OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT GIVING US A LETTER SOON.

UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING TO TRY AND AND CONTACT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO, TO GET SOME SORT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE REASONING AND COME TO SOME SETTLEMENT.

UM, IF POSSIBLE, WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WE MUST PAY.

UH, ONE OF THEM HAS ALREADY SENT A PAYMENT DEMAND LETTER FROM THEIR LAWYER.

UH, AND, AND AS YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN OVER SEVEN MONTHS SINCE WE'VE PAID SOME OF THESE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT, UH, HAVE BEEN PATIENTLY WAITING TO GET PAID.

SO, UH, MY, MY REQUEST IS THREE MINUTES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. .

AND OUR LAST PUBLIC SPEAKER IS MS. TABITHA PUR.

I HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKER.

YES, SIR.

UM, I, AS A BOARD MEMBER WHO KNOWS NOTHING OF THIS ISSUE, UH, I THINK IT SOUNDS SIGNIFICANT, UH, AND I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE.

UH, SO AT SOME POINT, COULD SOMEONE FILL ME IN ON WHAT THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS? SO I'LL KNOW MORE SO MR. K? SURE.

THAT'S CONCERN.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR? I CAN SEND YOU A CERTIFIED MR. HASSAN.

NO, THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO DELIBERATE.

YEAH, MR. DICKEY HAS MADE THAT REQUEST AND STAFF WILL GIVE HIM THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER.

MS. TABITHA URIEL.

THAT'S ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS THEN.

OKAY.

SO WITH THAT, NO MORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.

WE COME TO OUR ONLY, UH, POINT OF BUSINESS WE HAVE TODAY THE WORKSHOP ON 2024 BOARD PROGRAM.

AND MR. FINALLY, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF YES SPACE BEFORE CHRIS GETS STARTED? YES.

UH, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UM, MAKING A LOT OF PROGRESS AND PROVIDING A LOT OF INFORMATION TO Y'ALL, UM, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MEETINGS.

THE THE CHARGE TODAY IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE IN CONCEPT.

UH, WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE THE BOARD DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE PROPOSITION SIZE.

YOU'LL SEE IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, CHRIS AND HER TEAM HAVE PREPARED OPTIONS FOR YOU AND YOU'LL SEE WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WILL BUY.

SO WE HOPE THERE'S CONSENSUS TODAY AROUND THE APPROPRIATE SIZE OF THE PROPOSITION BASED UPON THINGS THAT YOU KNOW AND HAVE HEARD AND HAVE LEARNED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

ONCE THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN ACHIEVED ON THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSITION, THEN IT WILL BE AN EFFORT AROUND POPULATING THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS WITHIN THAT PROPOSITION, WHICH WILL BE A, A

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CHALLENGING TASK, BUT THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP.

SO TODAY'S LIMITED FOCUS IS PRESENTING INFORMATION TO YOU AROUND THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSITIONS AND HOPEFULLY THE BOARD COMING TOGETHER AND ACHIEVING CONSENSUS ON THE APPROPRIATE SIZE OF THE PROPOSITION.

THANK YOU, MR. CONNOR.

SO I REPEAT TODAY, ALTHOUGH THERE WILL BE PROJECTS BEING DISCUSSED, BUT THE ONLY THING WE WILL BE, UH, PUTTING OUR MINDS TO IS WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THAT PROPOSITION, NOT ON THOSE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

THAT WILL BE A SEPARATE THING.

YES, MS. COLLINS, YOU'RE ON MUTE.

MA'AM, WE CANNOT HEAR YOU.

WE CANNOT HEAR YOU, CALVIN.

NO, NO.

STILL NO.

YOU DID A SOUND TEXT.

SURE.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

I THINK WE'LL COME BACK TO HER.

UH, YES, MS. HE TEXTED AND SAID, HER QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE CLARITY FROM THE CITY MANAGER ON OUR SIZE OF OUR, UH, WELL, I THINK THAT CITY MANAGER HAS GIVEN CERTAIN NUMBER, BUT THIS, THIS BOARD HAS, UH, ITS OWN DUTY TO RECOMMEND A CERTAIN NUMBER AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE BOND SUBCOMMITTEE AND THE TASK FORCE WILL TAKE THE NEXT STEPS.

SO WE REALLY, UH, THOUGH I TREAT THE NUMBER FROM CITY MANAGER AS A GUIDANCE, NOT A DICTATE.

WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? YOU REMEMBER? I BELIEVE IT WAS CHRIS 50 MILLION.

ONE 20 50 MILLION.

UM, A SHEET THAT SAYS 1 25.

IT'S DEFINITELY ONE 50.

I BELIEVE THERE WAS A MORE RECENT, YEAH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A MORE RECENT PRESENTATION THAT DID SHOW ONE 50.

THAT WAS JUST THE NUMBER THEY HAD KIND OF PENCILED PRE PRELIMINARY.

THIS IS AN EARLY, YEAH, SO AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALL INDICATIVE NUMBERS.

AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT DICTATED ON US.

I THINK THE FINAL DECISION WILL HAPPEN IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY WHEN COUNCIL DELIBERATES.

MR. CONNOR.

THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

UM, I, I, I'M AM INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS AND I'M INTERESTED TO SEE THIS PRESENTATION.

UM, BUT, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT AT THE, UH, AT THE BOND TASK FORCE, EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT IS COMING IN PRETTY HIGH, UM, ASKING FOR SIGNIFICANCE AMOUNTS OF MONEY, AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET CUT.

UM, AND SO WHY WOULD WE GO IN, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS WE HAVE THIS PRESENTATION AS WHY WOULD WE GO IN ASKING FOR 150 MILLION IF WE NEED 400 MILLION OR 500 MILLION IF WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA GET CUT? AND I COULDN'T BE JUMPING THE GUN HERE, BUT I, I, THAT'S KINDA HOW I'M VIEWING THIS.

YEAH.

AND MR. CARTER, WE HAVE, UH, NOT EVEN STARTED DELIBERATING ON THAT NUMBER YET, BUT NO, 150 IS NOT EVEN IN A QUESTION, SIR.

BUT WE WILL COME TO THAT NUMBER AND WHATEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD DECIDES THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GO FORWARD.

YES.

MS. COLLINS, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, MA'AM.

EXCELLENT.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT CHANGED, BUT CASE OF THE MONDAYS, I GUESS.

SO MY COMMENT IS, IS FOLLOWS LANES AND CUZ I'D LOVE TO BE ASPIRATIONAL, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND I DON'T WANT US TO GET OUR HOPES UP OF GETTING 400 MILLION WHEN IT'S GONNA BE LIKELY OR MUCH CLOSER TO LIKE ONE 50 OR 200.

SO AS A BOARD, WHILE WE'RE DECIDING HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR, THE CORPUS IS THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE, IT JUST SEEMS, I, I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO, LIKE WHY WOULD WE EVEN CONSIDER SUCH HIGHER AMOUNTS WHEN WE KNOW THAT'S LIKELY ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE? SO I WOULD, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR A LOWER AMOUNT JUST BECAUSE IT KEEPS US CLOSER IN LINE, WHAT WHAT IS LIKELY IS TO HAPPEN.

YEAH.

AND WELL SAID MS. COLLINS.

SO LET GRACE GO THROUGH HER PRESENTATION THAT WILL MAKE US MAKE MORE EDUCATED DECISION THAT WHAT CAN CERTAIN BLOCKS OF WE CAN BUY FOR, UH, THE PARK DEPARTMENT.

SO CHRIS, WE ARE READY FOR YOU.

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SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME GENERAL COSTS OF SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED IN THE BOND PROGRAM.

WE'RE GOING TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE FUNDING AND PERCENTAGE PER CATEGORY THAT WAS DECIDED UPON, UM, ON THE PARK BOARD MEETING ON JUNE 8TH, 2023, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE BASED OUR FUNDING SCENARIOS FOR.

400 MILLION, 300 MILLION AND 200 MILLION UPON.

WE'RE GOING TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE PARK BOARD PRIORITIES AND WHAT WAS PUT INTO THE TABLES IN APPENDIX A.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.

SO LOOKING AT GENERAL COST SPECIFIC ITEMS, UM, ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT IS APPROXIMATELY 5 MILLION PER FIELD.

ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING IS APPROXIMATELY A MIL 1.5 MILLION PER FIELD.

COMMUNITY POOLS FIVE AND A HALF MILLION EACH.

EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS IN GENERAL OR ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS PER PROJECT ON THE GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE MADE WAS THAT WE WOULD HAD $10 MILLION FOR STEVENS, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS PER LUNA, $7 MILLION FOR KEATON, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR TENNYSON, TWO AND A HALF MILLION FOR CEDAR CREST AND 7 MILLION FOR ROSEMEAD.

AND I WANNA NOTE THAT THESE ARE BASICALLY THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE HAD MADE WHEN WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THE ORIGINAL, UM, 450 MILLION SCENARIO.

SO WE'RE JUST STICKING WITH THESE TO BE CONSISTENT.

LAND ACQUISITION IS DEPENDENT UPON THE PARCELS WE'RE GOING TO BE.

UM, ACQUIRING MASTER PLANS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY 200,000 EACH.

MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL PROJECTS ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 15 MILLION EACH.

AND AGAIN, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF OUR, OUR STANDARD AMOUNT THAT WE ASSUMED TO BE FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

N AUDITORIUMS AND INDOOR POOLS ARE ABOUT 15 MILLION EACH.

I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LAG ON THE PRESENTATION HERE.

PARTNERSHIP MATCHES, UM, THE LARGEST PER PARTNER REQUEST.

OUR PARTNER MATCHES SMALL AS AGAIN, PER PARTNER REQUEST.

OUR AGENCY MATCHES ARE PER AGENCY PROJECT.

PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE REPLACEMENT HAS BEEN ASSUMED TO BE ABOUT $750,000 EACH.

OUR PLAYGROUNDS ARE $300,000 EACH.

A RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 15 MILLION TO 30 MILLION DEPENDING UPON IF WE, UM, MODERNIZE AN EXISTING FACILITY OR IF WE GO TO A NEW FACILITY.

RECREATION CENTERS ARE ASSUMED TO BE 20 MILLION EACH FOR REPLACEMENT.

AND REMODELING COSTS VARY DEPENDING UPON THE RECREATION CENTER.

SERVICE CENTERS ARE ASSUMED TO BE 5 MILLION EACH.

ON OUR SPECIALTY PARKS, WE HAVE ASSUMED 200 DO $200,000 PER DOG PARK, A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE SMALL SKATE PARK.

AND THEN IN SAMUEL FARM IT'S PER THE MASTER PLAN SPRAY GROUNDS OR A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS EACH.

AND THEN SYSTEM-WIDE SECURITY LIGHTING WILL USE BASICALLY THE FUNDING UNTIL IT'S EXPENDED.

TENNIS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS ARE $350,000 PER TENNIS COURT.

AND THEN WE HAD ASSUMED 6 MILLION FOR FAIR OAKS TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS ARE ABOUT 1.4 MILLION PER MILE.

AND THEN THE PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, THESE ARE THE DISCRETIONARY FUNDS.

SO IT BASICALLY WOULD BE THE AMOUNT OF THE FUNDING WE HAVE PER DISTRICT AND THEN JUST DIVIDE THAT TOTAL BY 14 TO GET THAT NUMBER.

SO THOSE ARE OUR GENERAL COSTS OF SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT WE'RE UTILIZING TO PUT TOGETHER OUR SCENARIOS.

THEN LOOKING AT THE 450 MILLION SCENARIO THAT WE HAD WORKED ON ON JUNE 8TH, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT BASICALLY, UM, FOR THE ATHLETIC FIELD IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAD 4.17%.

ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING WAS 1.67%.

AND I'M SPECIFICALLY POINTING OUT THE PERCENTAGES BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT EVERY SCENARIO IS THE PERCENTAGE.

UM, COMMUNITY POOLS WAS 2.44% EROSION CONTROL 0.39% GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENT 6%, LAND ACQUISITION 4.44%.

MASTER PLANS 0.49%.

MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL SHARED USE FACILITIES WAS 10% N AUDITORIUM.

AND INDOOR POOLS 3.33%.

PARTNERSHIP MATCHES 13.33%.

OUR SMALL PARTNERSHIP MATCHES 0.56%.

OUR AGENCY MATCHES 1.11% PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE REPLACEMENTS.

0.42% ARE PLAYGROUNDS.

1.6600000000000001% ARE RACKET SPORTS COMPLEX, 4.17% ARE RECREATION CENTERS, 22.23%.

SERVICE CENTERS 1.11%.

THE SPECIALTY PARKS 0.7%

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SPRAY GROUNDS 1.33%.

OUR SYSTEM-WIDE SECURITY LIGHTING AND CAMERAS, 1.3900000000000001%.

OUR TENNIS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS 0.89%, THE TRAIL IMPROVEMENT 3% PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, 13.9%.

AND THEN ADA A COMPLIANCE 0.28%.

SO AGAIN, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WENT THROUGH THOSE PERCENTAGES BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS CONSISTENT THROUGH EVERY SCENARIO.

SO LOOKING AT THE 4 MILLION SCENARIO, UTILIZING THOSE PERCENTAGES, YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNTS THAT WERE ACTUALLY WENT INTO EACH CATEGORY BASED ON THOSE PERCENTAGES.

AND THEN WHAT WE DID BASICALLY UTIL UTILIZING THOSE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WAS WE PUT TOGETHER A SCENARIO THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE NEXT SEVERAL PAGES THAT OUR ADA COMPLIANCE WOULD BE 1.11 MILLION.

AND WE DIDN'T ASSIGN SPECIFIC DOLLAR VALUES TO ADA COMPLIANCE BECAUSE IT'S REALLY DEPENDENT UPON PER PROJECT.

THEY'RE TYPICALLY SMALLER TYPE PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE ADDRESSING ISSUES WITH ADA RAMPS AND BUILDINGS OR JUST, UH, GENERAL ADA COMPLIANCE ON BUILDINGS.

SO WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC PROJECT COSTS FOR THOSE.

IT WOULD JUST BE DEPENDENT UPON THE PROJECT.

UM, FOR ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THREE FIELDS AT $400 MILLION SCENARIO, AND WE WOULD HAVE ESSENTIALLY $1.68 MILLION REMAINING IN THAT POT.

FOR ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING, WE'LL BE DOING FOUR FIELDS AND THERE WILL BE 2.23 MILLION REMAINING IN THAT POT.

FOR COMMUNITY POOLS, WE COULD DO ONE POOL AND HAVE 4.28 MILLION REMAINING IN THAT POT.

THREE EROSION CONTROL.

WE'D DO FIVE PROJECTS AND HAVE $560,000 REMAINING.

ON THE GOLF CENTER IMPROVEMENTS, WE COULD TECHNICALLY DO STEVENS KEATON AND ROSEMEAD.

THAT EQUALS 24 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT WAS IN THAT POT OF MONEY.

FOR LAND ACQUISITION.

WE HAD 17.78 MILLION AVAILABLE AND HOW MANY PARCELS WE COULD GET OUT OF THAT WOULD BE DEPENDENT UPON THE COST OF THE PARCEL ON MASTER PLANS.

WE COULD DO NINE MASTER PLANS AND HOW $160,000 REMAINING ON THE MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL PROJECTS.

WE COULD DO TWO PROJECTS AND THERE WOULD BE 10 MILLION REMAINING ON THE N AUDITORIUM AND INDOOR POOLS, WE COULDN'T DO ANY OF THEM BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 13.33 MILLION IN THAT POT.

SO THAT REMAINS TO BE REDISTRIBUTED ON.

THE PARTNERSHIP MATCHES LARGE, WE HAVE 53.33 MILLION ON THE SMALL, WE HAVE 2.22 MILLION, AND THE AGENCY MATCHES ARE 4.44 MILLION ON PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE REPLACEMENT.

WE COULD DO TWO BRIDGES THAT HAVE 170,000 REMAINING.

WE COULD DO 22 PLAYGROUNDS, WE COULD DO ONE REMODELED SPORTS COMPLEX.

WE HAVE 16.68 MILLION AVAILABLE ON THE RECREATION CENTERS.

WE COULD DO FOUR NEW AND THEN HAVE 8.92 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR REMODELS.

ON THE SERVICE CENTERS, WE ONLY HAVE 4.44 BILLION AVAILABLE ON THE SPECIALTY PARKS.

WE COULD DO FIVE DOG PARKS AT 1 MILLION, ONE SKATE PARK AT 1 MILLION AND HAVE $780,000 LEFT FOR SAMUEL FARM.

AND THEN ON THE SPRAY GROUNDS, WE COULD DO THREE SPRAY GROUNDS AND HAVE $800,000 REMAINING.

WE HAVE 5.56 BILLION AVAILABLE FOR SYSTEM-WIDE SECURITY LIGHTING ON TENNIS CENTER IMPROVEMENTS.

WE DO 10 TENNIS COURTS WITH 60,000 REMAINING, WE COULD DO EIGHT AND A HALF MILES OF TRAIL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THEN ON THE PARK AND SITE DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE 55 POINT 55.58 MILLION TOTAL.

SO WHEN YOU DIVIDE THAT BY 14, THAT EQUALS 3.97 MILLION PER DISTRICT.

SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE BOTTOM, THESE TOTAL DOLLARS REMAINING ARE ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN EACH CATEGORY.

THOSE REMAINING DOLLARS TOTAL OF 33.24 MILLION.

SO SOME POTENTIAL OPTIONS WOULD BE TO DO AN AUDITORIUM FOR 15 MILLION TO DO AN ADDITIONAL MULTI-DEPARTMENT SHARED USE FACILITY.

WE WOULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL 5 MILLION THERE AND THE ADDITIONAL 13 MILLION INTO RECREATION CENTERS.

AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE BASED ON THE HIGHEST PERCENTAGES OF WHAT THE PARK BOARD HAD RECOMMENDED.

UM, RECREATION CENTERS WAS ONE OF YOUR HIGHEST PERCENTAGE, UM, FACTORS OF WHAT YOU WANTED TO DO.

SO THAT WAS ONE REASON OF RECOMMENDING PUTTING IT INTO RECREATION CENTERS.

BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE OBVIOUSLY.

IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOUR DISCRETION.

SO LOOKING AT THE 300 MILLION SCENARIO, AGAIN, PERCENTAGES ARE THE SAME, BUT WE JUST RECALCULATED THE TOTAL DOLLAR VALUES.

AND AGAIN, WE'VE GIVEN YOU SCENARIOS WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITH 300 MILLION, AGAIN, THE ADA COMPLIANCE, $830,000 FOR THAT FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS.

SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD OVERVIEW OF IT AND IF BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTION ON THESE SCENARIOS, THEY CAN ASK RATHER THAN GOING VERBATIM ON EVERY ONE OF THEM, THAT'S FINE.

SO THE YEAH, BUT

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IF THEY HAVE THAT 400 MILLION GAVE A GOOD IDEA.

SO I THINK I WOULD MOVE THAT ALONG.

ABSOLUTELY.

SO WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE SCENARIO OF WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH 300 MILLION.

UM, AND ALONG WITH THE REMAINDERS, UM, AGAIN, THE REMAINDER DOLLARS OF THIS ONE WAS 47.47 MILLION.

SO POTENTIAL OPTIONS ON THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, THE AUDITORIUM, UM, 20 MILLION INTO RECREATION CENTERS AND THEN POTENTIALLY ANOTHER 12.74 MILLION INTO LARGE PARTNER MATCHES.

AND THEN AGAIN, WITH 200 MILLION, WE DID THE SAME EXERCISE WITH GOING AHEAD AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE PERCENTAGES AND THE TOTAL DOLLAR VALUES.

AND WE'VE GIVEN POSSIBLE SCENARIOS, UM, WITH THAT AS WELL.

WE'RE ON SLIDE NUMBER 16, THOSE AMENITIES.

AND WITH THAT WE HAD A TOTAL DOLLARS REMAINING OF 42.34.

SO AGAIN, WE COULD POTENTIALLY ADD ANOTHER MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL PROJECT, WE COULD PUT SOME IN RECREATION CENTERS AND WE COULD PUT SOME IN LARGE PARTNER MATCHES AS OPTIONS.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TRYING TO DETERMINE ARE WE LOOKING AT PUTTING TOGETHER PROJECTS FOR A 400 MILLION SCENARIO, A 300 MILLION SCENARIO OR A 200 MILLION SCENARIO BASED ON THE INFORMATION AND THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS AND AND PROGRAM THAT WE COULD GET OUT OF THOSE, UM, DIFFERENT FUNDING SCENARIOS.

AWESOME.

SO WITH THAT, I OPEN THE FLOOR FOR QUESTIONS.

I THINK THE PERCENTAGES, WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED ARE EXACTLY SAME OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED ON 400 MILLION.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN WHEN WE DELIBERATE FURTHER IN NEXT MEETING, WE HAVE TO KEEP THOSE PERCENTAGES, BUT AT LEAST IT GIVES US AN IDEA THAT IF WE DECIDE ON A NUMBER AS ON 400 MILLION, WHERE WE WILL STAND WITH THAT.

UH, MS. HASSMAN.

OKAY.

COUPLE, UH, COMMENT AND QUESTION.

ARE WE GONNA HAVE, UH, I KNOW LIKE INTERNALLY IN OUR OUR FINANCE AND OUR BUDGETING, WE HAVE SACRED CODES.

ARE WE GONNA IDENTIFY ANY OF OUR PROJECTS THAT ARE SORT OF GONNA BECOME OUR SACRED PROJECTS THAT WILL GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE, UH, AHEAD OF ANY PER, UH, AHEAD OF ANY PERCENTAGES ARE, UH, DISREGARDING HOW MUCH WE GET? ARE WE GONNA APPROACH IT THAT WAY? THAT'S JUST A QUESTION OF OUR APPROACH.

AND THEN MY, UM, SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THIS IS THE INTENTION OF THIS MEETING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THOSE PERCENTAGES AGAIN? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TODAY? NO, TODAY WE ARE JUST TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE TOP LINE NUMBER AND THEN WE'LL BOARD WILL COME BACK WITH THOSE PERCENTAGES AND YOUR QUESTION OF SHOULD WE DECIDE THOSE SIGNATURE PROJECTS FOR THE DEPARTMENT? AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE SIGNATURE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, MATCHING FUNDS, DISTRICT-WISE PRIORITIES, THEY'LL COME.

SO THAT I WOULD SAY WOULD BE A SEVEN, EIGHT HOUR MEETING TODAY.

WE ARE JUST DEFINING THE TOP LINE BASED ON WE THOUGHT OUR NEEDS ARE 750 MILLION PLUS WE DECIDED ON 450 MILLION.

CITY MANAGER IS SAYING 150 MILLION.

THAT'S NOT A MANDATE, THAT'S JUST INDICATIVE.

SO AS A BOARD, WHAT IS THE TOP LINE NUMBER WE THINK WE SHOULD GO AND FIGHT FOR, FOR PARK DEPARTMENT? I GUESS, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT THE SACRED CODES.

YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO Y'ALL AND ASKED FOR YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR TOP 10 LIST.

SO BASED UPON THE PACKAGE THAT YOU CHOOSE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO INTEGRATE THOSE TOP 10 PROJECTS INTO THOSE PACKAGES.

SO IN A SENSE, YOU WOULD KIND OF CONSIDER THAT TO BE YOUR SACRED CODES, SO TO SPEAK.

SO THERE WILL BE AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THOSE TOP 10 PROJECTS ARE INTEGRATED, BUT THAT WILL BE OBVIOUSLY DEPENDENT UPON THE SIZE OF PACKAGE YOU CHOOSE.

WELL, YEAH, STOP BECAUSE MY, FROM WHERE I SAID IF WE END UP GETTING 200 MILLION ARBITRARILY AND WE SAY REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE GET, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THESE SIX ITEMS, WHATEVER THEY ARE, THAT WILL TAKE UP 10 MILLION AND THAT'S JUST 10 MILLION THAT WE KNOW REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE GET IS A TOTAL, THE FIRST TEN'S GONNA GO TO THESE PROJECTS AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND, AND PLUG THE REST OF THEM INTO THE PERCENTAGES.

IS THAT GONNA BE OUR APPROACH OR ARE WE JUST GONNA GO STRAIGHT PERCENTAGES? I THINK WE'LL, UH, PERCENTAGES WILL ARRIVE BASED ON THE PROJECT.

WE ARE, I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER WE DIDN'T START WITH THE PERCENTAGES.

WE STARTED THE PERCENTAGES AND THEN THEY GOT, UH, DIVIDED INTO PERCENTAGES BASED ON THAT, UH, WE ARE GOING TO GIVE 60 MILLION FOR PARTNERSHIP MATCH THAT BECOMES WHATEVER, 13.3% AND ALL.

SO WE DID START WITH THE PERCENTAGES, BUT SINCE WE HAD THOSE PERCENTAGES, NOW SINCE WE NEED TO DUMB DOWN OUR TOP LINE,

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CHRIS, JUST USE THAT PERCENTAGE NUMBER.

I I THINK IT'LL START FROM GROUND ZERO ONCE WE DECIDE THE TOP LINE MS AS MANY, UH, UH, MR. DICKEY, UH, THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT.

UH, WE'LL JUST LOOKING HIS HISTORICALLY AS WE TRY TO DECIDE WHAT'S A REASONABLE NUMBER TO ASK? CAUSE I AGREE WITH, WITH MS. COLLINS, BRATTON AND MS. HANEY, WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC AND NOT WASTE TIME SITTING FIVE OF US SIT ON THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, AND I THINK WE ALL GET THE SAME IMPRESSION THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ASK OUT THERE.

SO OUR, OUR, UH, SCENARIO DOESN'T LOOK VERY PROMISING, BUT LOOKING HISTORICALLY, GOING BACK TO 1995, WE'VE HAD SIX BOND PACKAGES WITH VARIOUS PERCENTAGES OF EACH BOND PACKAGE BEING PARKS.

AND THE AVERAGE OF THOSE SIX, IT IS GONE AS LOW AS 11% AND AS HIGH AS 25% IN 2006 AND 2017.

BUT THE AVERAGE OF THE SIX IS 16%.

SO JUST AS A SORT OF A BASELINE TO CONSIDER, HISTORICALLY WE'VE AVERAGED 16%, 16% OF A BILLION IS 160 MILLION.

SO BEING ASPIRATIONAL, I THINK TO, TO MODEL ON A 200 MILLION, UH, IS MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE AVERAGED.

IT'S MORE THAN THE CITY MANAGER'S POULTRY RECOMMENDATION.

AND I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE SEEN AS UNREALISTIC OR GRABBING OR GRASPING BY ANYBODY IF WE MODELED ON 200 MILLION.

UH, I HAVE COMMENTS ON THE PERCENTAGE BREAKDOWN AS WELL, BUT I'LL SAVE THOSE FOR ROUND TWO.

OKAY.

MR. DEKE? UH, MR. CONNOR? YEAH, I, I'M, SO THOSE OF YOU WHO'VE BEEN THROUGH THE BOND PROCESS BEFORE THAT OUR STAFF, WHAT'S, WHAT IS THE NEGATIVE OF GOING IN? I MEAN, IF OUR NEEDS ARE 700 MILLION, BUT WE'VE TRIMMED DOWN TO 400 MILLION WITH, AGAIN, TO MR. DICKEY'S POINT, WITH FIVE OF US SITTING IN THAT ROOM SO FAR, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEGATIVE IS GOING IN AT A TOP LINE NUMBER AND FIGHTING FOR AS MUCH DOLLAR AS POSSIBLE INSTEAD OF GIVING IN AT THE OUTSET AND THEN HAVING THAT NUMBER REDUCED.

MR. CONNER, DO YOU HAVE, UH, PERSPECTIVE ON THAT? WELL, UH, SO MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT QUESTION IS IF THE BOARD CHOSE TO, UM, TAKE A $200 MILLION OPTION, I ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD GET.

UM, HOWEVER, IF THE BOARD CHOSE TO BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE AND CHOOSE A HIGHER PACKAGE, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A, UM, A A BETTER THAN ZERO CHANCE OF GETTING THAT.

SO THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

IF THE BOARD SAYS, HEY, 200 MILLION, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THAT, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET.

HOWEVER, IF THE BOARD SAYS, HEY, LET'S BE A LITTLE ASPIRATIONAL, LET'S FIGHT FOR 300, LET'S FIGHT FOR 400.

MY BELIEF IS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY GET SOMETHING MORE THAN 200 MILLION.

JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.

CHRIS, DO YOU HAVE A, A DIFFERENT TAKE ON THAT? NO, RYAN, I, I AGREE WITH YOU.

UM, I THINK IF WE ONLY GO IN WITH 200 MILLION, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.

UM, I PERSONALLY FEEL WE NEED TO GO IN AND ASK FOR WHAT WE NEED, UM, AND, AND LET THEM CUT US DOWN.

THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.

AND, AND WHILE WE DECIDE THIS NUMBER, REMEMBER CITY MANAGER HAS ONE NUMBER, BUT THE MAYOR HAS PARK AS HIS PRIORITY MM-HMM.

.

AND SO WHEN QUITE A FEW COUNCIL MEMBER, WE HAVE SPOKEN AND I THINK THEY ALWAYS REALIZE PARKS ARE AS THEIR PRIORITY AND ULTIMATELY THEY ARE THE ONE WHO WILL BE MAKING THAT DECISION.

SO THAT NUMBER, I WOULD TAKE IT AS AN INDICATIVE AND NOT DUMB DOWN THE NUMBER WE ASK FOR.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK SITTING IN THAT ROOM, I THINK THE, THE, THE TWO PRIORITIES THAT I'VE HEARD MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR, UM, HAS BEEN STREETS AND PARKS.

UM, AND STREETS HAS A PRETTY BIG NUMBER THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, A MASSIVE NUMBER THEY'RE ASKING FOR, UM, WHICH IS FINE.

UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY MY WAS MY QUESTION AND CHRIS, AND, AND RYAN, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE STARTING A NEGOTIATION AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO BENEFIT THE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH AS MUCH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AS WE'VE HAD, AND I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT COMMENTS ON THE BUCKETS AS WELL, THE PERCENTAGES, BUT WE'LL SAVE THAT.

BUT, BUT AS MUCH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AS WE WE'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH WITH THIS AT THIS BUDGET, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T FIGHT.

IF WE'RE GONNA GO AT 200 MILLION TO RYAN'S POINT, AND THEY SAY, OKAY, PARKS HAS GIVEN IT, I DON'T WANNA SAY GIVEN IN PARKS HAS GIVEN A NUMBER THAT'S, THAT'S FINE, GO WITH 200 MILLION, BUT IF WE GO AT 300 MILLION AND WE GET TWO 50, THAT'S AN EXTRA 50 MILLION WE CAN GO GET FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

I, I'M KIND OF STRUGGLING WITH WHY THIS IS EVEN A, WHY THIS IS EVEN A DISCUSSION ALMOST.

YEAH, AND I GOT A A SAY JUST TO INTERRUPT.

SORRY,

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I AGREE WITH MR. CONNOR.

SURE.

I I'M CONVINCED I'M, I'M GOING OFF MY POULTRY WEEK.

UH, I AGREE.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

YEAH, RECONSIDER.

THANK YOU, MR. DICKEY.

UH, MS. COLLINS.

UH, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT EVEN DOING THIS.

YEAH, I, I AGREE.

I THINK, UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT CONTEXT, RYAN AND CHRIS AND I DO REMEMBER COMING ON THE BOARD, SEVERAL OF US THAT CAME ON THE BOARD RIGHT AS THE 2017 BOND WAS PASSING.

AND I REMEMBER THE FEELING AT CITY HALL WAS LIKE, PARKS, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET THAT MUCH AGAIN.

LIKE, YOU GUYS WERE GREEDY.

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN.

WE GOT 2 61 AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL 50 MILLION FOR FAIR PARK.

SO WE WERE, THAT WAS A, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE BOND, UM, FOR PARKS.

AND I REMEMBER WILLIS AND BOBBY WERE, YOU KNOW, BEATING THEIR CHEST.

THEY WERE SO PLEASED WITH THE OUTCOME.

AND SO YEAH, I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, AN ASPIRATIONAL ASK AT 300.

AND, UM, I THINK ABOVE THAT IS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS.

AND WE WOULD LOOK UNREALISTIC, PERHAPS I'M ALL FOR ASPIRATIONAL, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONFINES IN WHICH WE'RE DEALING.

AND YES, WE CAN SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY MANAGER HAS HIS NUMBER, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS.

AND, AND, AND STREETS IS ALWAYS GONNA WIN OUT.

UH, WE KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT BOND PACKAGES, THAT'S WHAT I HEAR THE MOST ABOUT IN, IN OUR DISTRICT.

I'VE TALKED TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT MY, THAT MY CONSTITUENTS CARE ABOUT.

CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY PARKS.

SO WE DO, WE HAVE TO BE, AND, AND WE HAVE THE, UM, WE ARE TRYING TO BE THE DEPARTMENT FOR ALL TO BE ALL THINGS TO ALL PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY AMENITIES.

AND SO THAT'S HARD TO BREAK DOWN.

BUT, UM, WHERE I LAND IS I WOULD ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT, UM, THE 300 MILLION NUMBER.

I THINK 400 IS TOO ASPIRATIONAL AND 200 MAY BE TOO LOW.

SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS OR MY 300 MILLION CENTS.

THANK YOU, MS. CARLOS, MR. KARIMI, UH, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE.

UH, HAPPY TO SEE YOU ALL.

UH, SO I, UH, PERSONALLY I APPRECIATE THE THREE SCENARIOS.

400 MILLION, 300 AND 200.

UM, AND I WANNA ENCOURAGE US FOR, YOU KNOW, ASKING OR DEMANDING OR HOWEVER WE WANNA PUT IT, FOR EVERYTHING WE DESERVE.

UH, BUT ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, I NOTICED THE PERCENTAGES OF THE TOTAL DOLLARS REMAINING, UH, INCREASES AS WE REDUCE THE SCENARIOS.

IT GOES FROM 8% REMAINING AND 400 TO 15% REMAINING, AND 321% REMAINING IN 200.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION, AND BEFORE I ASK, UM, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY WAS THE TOTAL DOLLARS REMAINING DONE LIKE THAT VERSUS PUTTING THOSE DOLLARS INTO EXISTING AMENITY BUCKETS BASED ON THE, THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND, AND THOSE, AND THAT SCORING THAT WE'VE ALL WORKED SO HARD ON? UH, BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO ASKING FOR WHAT WE NEED, LEAVING DOLLARS IN A TOTAL DOLLARS REMAINING BUCKET IS PROBABLY NOT THE OPTIMAL WAY TO SHOW IT.

IT IT TO ME, IF I WERE TO SEE THIS PRESENTATION, I WOULD SAY, OKAY, LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR 200 MILLION, BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 42 MILLION REMAINING.

YOU PROBABLY JUST NEED ONE 50 OR ONE 60.

SO I JUST, MY MY MY, MY QUESTION IS REALLY THIS IS WHY, WHY WAS IT DONE THAT WAY VERSUS THROWING THAT MONEY INTO EXISTING AMENITIES? AND, AND RUDY, LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT.

WHEN I SAY THE DOLLARS REMAINING, BASICALLY WE CALCULATED THOSE SCENARIOS BASED ON THOSE GEN GENERAL COSTS THAT WE GAVE YOU UPFRONT.

AND LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE 200 MILLION SCENARIO, ATHLETIC FIELD DEVELOPMENT ONLY HAD 8.34 MILLION IN IT, AND AN ATHLETIC FIELD WAS 5 MILLION.

SO WHEN WE ONLY HAVE 8.34 MILLION IN THAT BUCKET, WE CAN ONLY DO ONE ATHLETIC FIELD.

AND THEN WE HAD THAT 3.34 MILLION REMAINING.

WHEN WE SAY REMAINING, IT WAS BECAUSE I COULDN'T DO ANOTHER ATHLETIC FIELD FOR 3.34 MILLION.

AND THAT KIND OF WENT DOWN.

THE SAME THING FOR ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING.

YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S 1.5 MILLION FOR FIELD.

I ONLY HAD 3.33 MILLION, SO I COULD ONLY DO TWO FIELDS, AND THAT'S WHAT LEFT THE $330,000 REMAINING.

SO WHEN WE SAY REMAINING, IT'S BASICALLY BECAUSE I COULDN'T DO ANOTHER ATHLETIC FIELD BASED ON THE COST THAT WE HAVE.

SO WHEN I SAY REMAINING, IT'S NOT REMAINING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO UTILIZE IT, IT'S REMAINING BECAUSE I COULDN'T PUT IT INTO THAT SPECIFIC BUCKET BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO ANOTHER ATHLETIC FIELD OR ANOTHER POOL OR ANOTHER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

DOES, DOES THAT HELP EXPLAIN WHAT THAT REMAINING MEANS? YEAH, YEAH.

THAT, THAT DOES HELP EXPLAIN, AND I FIGURED THAT WAS A LOGIC BEHIND THAT.

BUT STILL, IF, IF THIS WERE TO ADVANCE BEYOND OUR DEPARTMENT AND GO TO, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER NEEDS TO SEE THIS AFTER US, I, I DON'T WANNA SEE SUCH A HIGH PERCENTAGE IN A BUCKET CALLED TOTAL DOLLARS REMAINING.

I, I KNOW THE DECISION, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO ANOTHER ATHLETIC FIELD.

BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO HAVE THIS NEEDS INVENTORY AND YOU CAN, I MEAN, THERE'S A MASTER LIST AND IF YOU JUST GO, JUST SORT IT ON DESCENDING ON,

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ON, ON THE GRAND TOTAL, JUST START PICKING AND CHOOSING.

I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD JUST BE TOTALLY DIPLOMATIC ABOUT IT, JUST GO DOWN TO THE NEXT ORDER, WHETHER IT'S ATHLETIC FIELDS OR A TENNIS COURT OR THIS OR THAT AND, AND UTILIZE AND PUT THOSE THINGS INTO BUCKETS SO WE CAN SHOW TO OTHER PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS BOARD IN THIS DEPARTMENT THAT YES, WE DO HAVE PLACES FOR THAT DOLLAR, FOR THOSE DOLLARS BECAUSE WE DO THAT NEEDS INVENTORY IS LIKE 10,000 RECORDS LONG.

AND, AND THAT RUDY WAS THE, WAS THE PURPOSE OF KIND OF GIVING OPTIONS ON THOSE REMAINING THAT WE COULD DO IN AUDITORIUM.

WE COULD PUT IT INTO REC CENTERS, WE COULD PUT IT INTO THESE TYPE OF BUCKETS TO GIVE YOU THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT BUCKETS WE COULD PUT IT IN.

BUT THAT IS REALLY AT THE BOARD'S DISCRETION ON WHAT BUCKET WE PUT THOSE QUOTE REMAINING FUNDS IN.

AND MR. KARIMI, JUST TO ADD, I THINK THAT LIST AND WHERE THAT MONEY GOES, THAT'LL START FROM GROUND ZERO AGAIN, TODAY'S DISCUSSION MORE IS ABOUT TOP LINE REALLY.

I THINK ALL THOSE PRIORITIES, IF THERE'S LESS MONEY MIGHT CHANGE, YOU MIGHT CHANGE SOME PRIORITIES FOR YOUR DISTRICT OR SO-CALLED AS MS HAS WHEN YOU CALL THOSE SIGNATURE PROJECTS.

SO TODAY, I THINK IF WE DECIDE TOP LINE, THEN THEN THAT ALLOCATION WILL START FROM GROUND ZERO EIGHT.

UH, MR. GOLDSTEIN, UM, I, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS THAT WE SHOULD BE CUTTING THE NUMBER VERY MUCH, UM, WITH THE NUMBER OF PARK BOARD MEMBERS WE HAVE, HAVE ON THE, ON THE BOND OVERALL BOND TASK FORCE.

AND, UM, MAYBE RYAN, YOU CAN CONFIRM THIS FOR ME.

I, I THINK THE, THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CFO HAVE NOT CONFIRMED THE OVERALL BONDING CAPACITY YET.

THAT NUMBER COULD, COULD GROW, UM, LATER THIS YEAR.

IS THAT RIGHT, RYAN? UH, YES, SIR.

SO THERE WILL BE A BRIEFING TO THE COUNCIL IN AUGUST.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE FIRST OR SECOND, BUT THE CITY C F O WILL, WILL PROVIDE THAT SNAPSHOT OF BONDING CAPACITY AT THAT TIME.

SO I THINK FOR THAT ADDITIONAL REASON, UM, WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE AGGRESSIVE.

I DON'T, I DON'T SEE A DOWNSIDE IN PUSHING FOR AS BIG A NUMBER AS POSSIBLE, NOT 700, BUT, UM, PUSHING ON THE HIGH END, UM, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL, PARTICULARLY ON THE MATCH PROPOSALS, IF WE COULD DO SOME FURTHER VETTING OF, OF THOSE, AND I, I, I WOULD HOPE STAFF CAN DO THAT.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY PARK BOARD MEMBERS CAN DO SOME OF THAT AS WELL, BUT I, I STILL DON'T FEEL LIKE I'VE FULLY UNDERSTAND ON EACH OF THOSE MATCH PROJECTS, LIKE WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER THAT COULD KEEP THE PROJECTS GOING FORWARD.

IF WE CUT, YOU KNOW, IN HALF WHAT ONE OF THE ENTITIES IS ASKING FOR, IS THE PROJECT REALLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN OR COULD THEY POTENTIALLY, I DON'T WANNA NAME ANY EXAMPLES, BUT COULD THEY POTENTIALLY STILL RAISE THAT, THAT DIFFERENCE? AND SO I THINK IN THE MEANTIME, I'D REALLY LIKE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DETAILS OF EACH OF THESE MATCH OFFERS, CUZ THAT'S AN AREA WHERE I KNOW MOST OF US PROBABLY DON'T WANNA LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE OR, UM, OR KILL ANY OF THOSE PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME OF 'EM ARE OFFERING, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR TO ONE MATCHES.

UM, BUT THERE'S STILL, TO ME A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND WHAT IT WOULD REALLY TAKE TO GET THOSE DONE.

I DON'T WANNA JUST ACCEPT THE FIRST OFFER FROM THOSE ENTITIES AND, AND ASSUME THAT'S WHAT'S NEED NEEDED, PERIOD.

UM, SO IF WE COULD KIND OF WORK TO GET MORE DETAILS AROUND EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS, I THINK THAT'D BE HELPFUL AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, FORCED TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS IN THE COMING MONTHS.

MR. YEAH, SO ABSOLUTELY MR. GOLDSTEIN.

SO, UH, UH, UH, CHRIS, UH, COMPONENT, I THINK THAT REQUEST, UH, FROM MR. GOLDSTEIN IS FAIR.

SO THEN WE START, ONCE WE DECIDE TOP LINE, IT HELPS US IN TO DECIDE THE ALLOCATIONS.

UH, MR. WOOD, GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY FROM THE CHILE, UH, NORTHWOODS IN WISCONSIN.

UM, I, I AGREE.

UM, LET'S NOT ASK FOR LESS AT THIS POINT.

UM, I THINK WE STILL FIGHT FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR THE OVERALL PARK, UM, PORTION.

UM, WHAT, WHERE WE'RE GONNA GET IN THE WEEDS IS IF WE START IDENTIFYING THE ABSOLUTE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO PUT ON THERE, BECAUSE THEN WE START GETTING FEELINGS HURT WHEN THIS PROJECT OR THAT PROJECT ISN'T ABLE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH A SMALLER PACKAGE.

SO LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT PACKAGE WE'RE GONNA GET, IDENTIFY THE PROJECTS AND THE COST OF ALL THOSE PROJECTS.

SO THEN WHEN WE KNOW WHAT OUR NUMBER IS, THAT WE CAN ASSEMBLE THAT PRETTY QUICKLY AND NIMBLY.

BUT IN SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH FELLOW PARK BOARD MEMBERS, UM, AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CITY, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM, YOU KNOW, LET'S FIX THIS LIGHTING OR THIS, UM, SECURITY WITH A BOND PACKAGE.

WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT

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WITH OUR MAINTENANCE AND OUR EVERYDAY, UM, COSTS VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, COMING TO A BOND PACKAGE.

I, I THINK OUR BOND PACKAGES SHOULD BE, HEY, WE NEED FIVE NEW REC CENTERS ACROSS THE CITY, AND THAT'S WHAT OUR, OR YOU KNOW, FOUR NEW POOLS AND UM, YOU KNOW, 50 NEW PLAYGROUNDS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MASSIVE THAT OUR PEOPLE ARE GONNA SEE VERSUS THE MAINTENANCE TYPE PROJECTS.

UM, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT.

AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DEPEND ON THE BOND TO DO REGULAR MAINTENANCE AND TO IMPROVE OUR FACILITIES.

LET'S GET RESOURCEFUL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MONEY WE'RE PUTTING INTO, UM, MONEYGRAM.

I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE MONEYGRAM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, MONEYGRAM, UM, THE FOLKS THAT RUN IT MAINTAIN THAT FIELD AND THOSE FIELDS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFULLY.

LET'S OUTSOURCE SOME OF OUR FIELDS.

LET'S DO MORE OUTSOURCING OF OUR ATHLETIC COMPLEXES, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS TO REFOCUS SO THAT WE CAN ABSOLUTELY NOT BE IN THIS PREDICAMENT AGAIN, IN MY OPINION.

BUT I AGREE, WE NEED TO ASK FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN AT THIS POINT.

UM, NOT TO BE GREEDY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT FOUR 50 THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, UM, I THINK WE CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.

AND WE START A, UH, A CAMPAIGN THAT HOW MUCH WE ALL LOVE OUR PARKS.

WE GET OUR, OUR, OUR CITY, OUR PEOPLE IN OUR, OUR DISTRICTS TO SAY HOW MUCH THEY LOVE OUR PARKS, UM, ADVOCATING, UM, THE LOVE FOR OUR PARKS AND OUR ATHLETIC STUFF, EVERYTHING THAT WE LOVE ABOUT PARKS, UM, WE CAN'T STRESS IT ENOUGH OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS ON HOW MUCH WE LOVE IT SO THAT WE GET EVERYBODY AND PARKS ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF EVERYTHING.

SO RIGHT NOW WE ADVOCATE FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND THEN BEING REALISTIC BEHIND THE SCENES, WE KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE FOR THINGS AND I THINK IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY, UM, GET SOME OF THE WORK DONE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE HAD DONE FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, WITH WHAT THE COST IS FOR OUR PLAYGROUND MASTER PLAN, WHAT THE COST IS FOR OUR DOG PARK MASTER PLAN.

THANK YOU, MR. WOOD.

AND, UH, UH, MR. CONNOR, I'LL COME TO YOU IN A MINUTE.

AND WHEN STAFF IS SAYING 200, 300, 400, THAT'S NOT THE ONLY BUCKET WE HAVE.

I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH ANY NUMBER JUST FOR REFERENCE.

LAST BOND, WE GOT $312 MILLION.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT WHAT WAS LAST BOND, AND AS MS. COLLINS SAID, THAT WAS A HAPPY DAY WHEN THAT GOT ALLOCATED.

SO, UH, MR. CONNOR, YOU'RE NEXT.

I WON'T SAY GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE MUCH SMARTER THAN I AM, BUT, UH, THAT IS RIGHT WHERE I WAS GONNA GO.

UM, SO, UH, IF 400, IF WE THINK 400 IS TOO HIGH, UM, I STILL THINK 300 IS TOO LOW.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD, I THINK, I THINK SAYING BETWEEN THREE AND 400 SHOWS THAT WE'VE BROUGHT THE NUMBER DOWN, BUT WE STILL HAVE MAXIMUM LEVERAGE TO GO AND, AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE.

UM, SO I I, I WAS GONNA PROPOSE A NUMBER RIGHT IN BETWEEN THREE AND 400 AND, AND JUST SAY 350, UM, AS A STARTING POINT TO GO FROM THERE.

AND THAT'S 35% OF A MILLION OF A BILLION.

I KNOW THAT, THAT THE, THE CAPACITY IS GONNA GET RAISED RIGHT NOW IF THE, IF THE BOND'S A BILLION DOLLARS IS, IT'S A 35% CAPACITY AND THAT THAT NUMBER'S GONNA GO UP, THAT CAPACITY FROM, FROM EVERY INDICATION THAT WE'VE SEEN IS GONNA GO OFF.

AND I THINK THAT 350 MILLION IS A GOOD, GOOD STARTING POINT.

THANK YOU, MR. CONNOR.

SO WHAT I HEARING IS 200 AND 400 KIND OF, UH, OUT OF DISCUSSION, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE FOCUS THREE OR SOMEWHERE THERE.

MS. RICE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UH, CHAIR AAD.

I ALSO AGREE WITH, UM, MY COLLEAGUE MR. CONNOR AND SEVERAL OF, UH, UM, SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE SPOKEN.

UM, I THINK WE NEED TO GO FOR THE HIGHER NUMBER, UM, BECAUSE WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE? I MEAN, WE CAN, LIKE LANE SAID, WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT I FEEL, YOU KNOW, UM, KEEPING EQUITY IN MIND IN DISTRICT FIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE A NEW DISTRICT, SO WE HAVE, WE WE'RE A FAIRLY NEW DISTRICT BECAUSE IT USED TO BE DIVIDED FOR YEARS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WERE NEGLECTED LEFT OUT IN DISTRICT FIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE TWO PARKS, AT LEAST TWO PARKS, RAINFORESTS, AND GROVE OAKS THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE A BENCH THAT NEED PARK DEVELOPMENT.

SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEET THE NUMEROUS NEEDS IN ALL OF THE DISTRICTS? YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DISTRICT FIVE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE'S, WE HAVE, I'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH COUNCILMAN RESENDEZ AND THE STAFF AND WE'VE BEEN VISITING PARKS AND TAKING INVENTORY AND JUST, WE'RE LIKE, WOW, WE'VE GOT, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME GREAT WORK THAT'S BEING DONE.

I KNOW STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING

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HARD, BUT I MEAN, IT'S A CONTINUING PROCESS.

SO HOW ARE WE GONNA REACH THESE GOALS? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GO FOR, NOT THE 200 IS MEAGER, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO FOR IT.

WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE? SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

IT'S, UH, MS. , THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THESE OPTIONS, UM, AND REALLY KIND OF DELVE INTO THIS.

AND AS MY 10 YEAR OLD SAYS, GO BIG OR GO HOME, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE NEED TO GO BIG.

UM, I THINK WE, WE ARE, I KNOW WE ARE THE CUSTOMER SERVICE, UM, OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST DEPARTMENTS AND SERVICES THAT DALLAS HAS TO PROVIDE, AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AS A FIVE STAR EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER YOU'RE AT, WHATEVER DISTRICT YOU'RE AT.

SO DEFINITELY THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE GO BIG, UM, AND THEN DELVE INTO, YOU KNOW, HOW THOSE ARE PRIORITIZED.

UM, AND WE, THIS CAN BE SOMETHING OFFLINE.

UM, BUT I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS.

WHAT DOES ATHLETIC FIELDS MEAN? I MEAN, IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S DIFFERENT SIZES THERE? THERE'S SO MANY DETAILS IN SOME OF THIS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WOMEN BUT WE'RE DIFFERENT.

SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU SAY THIS IS WHAT THIS COSTS AND HOW THAT KIND OF COSTS.

UM, SO I REALLY KIND OF WOULD LOVE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE DETAILS OF WHEN YOU SAY WHAT, YOU KNOW, ATHLETIC FIELDS OR MASTER PLAN.

I THOUGHT WE WERE KINDA MOVING INTO SOME MASTER PLANS IN-HOUSE.

SO ARE WE OUTSOURCING THAT? SO I, I KNOW THAT THESE ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BUILDING OFF OF THIS, BUT THEY'RE, AND IT'S KIND OF AN UMBRELLA, BUT SOME OF IT, I'D LOVE TO GET SOME DETAILS.

UM, I, AND I DIDN'T THINK THAT SPRAY GROUNDS WE WERE AT THAT POINT THAT IT WAS THAT MUCH ANYMORE CAUSE WE'RE DOING SOME OTHER STUFF.

AND SO JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T, IT CAN TAKE THIS OFFLINE, BUT THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

UM, AS FAR AS THE ATHLETIC FIELDS, TYPICALLY WE ARE REVAMPING THE ENTIRE ATHLETIC FIELD, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE DRAINAGE, MAKING SURE THAT THE GRADING IS DONE SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T TRIPPING AND, AND BREAKING ANKLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'RE REDOING TURF.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY THAT COSTS US $5 MILLION.

AND IT COULD BE A SOCCER FIELD, IT COULD BE A SOFTBALL FIELD.

AND, AND OBVIOUSLY SOME THINGS ARE, ARE DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FIELDS, BUT ON AVERAGE WE ESTIMATED 5 MILLION FOR THAT TO BASICALLY REDO THE ENTIRE FIELD TO MAKE IT BRAND NEW.

UM, INCORPORATE DRAINAGE, MAKE SURE YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ON THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS GOOD.

MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE REMOVED ENOUGH, UM, OF THE SUBGRADE SO THAT THE TURF IS ABLE TO SURVIVE, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, UM, PLAY ON PLAY ON THESE FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND, AND IT GETS PRETTY WORN DOWN.

UM, BUT I MEAN, YOU SAY PLAY, SO IT'S LIKE SOME ARE UTILIZED, SOME AREN'T AS MUCH.

SO, AND THAT'S ALSO, I'M SURE FACTORS IN IT.

AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE DOING THAT, ISN'T ELECTRICAL PUT INTO THAT OR THAT'S NOT, AND SO THAT'S, I SEE THAT THERE, THE DIFFERENT LINE ITEM FOR LIGHTING YEAH.

IN THOSE ATHLETIC FIELDS AND THE ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING, UM, LINE ITEM SPECIFICALLY IS THE REST THE, UM, ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING THAT'S AT THE END OF ITS SERVICE LIFE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY THE POLES THAT WERE FALLING DOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE WORST NEED AT THE END OF THEIR SERVICE LIVES, THAT HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE POLES FALLING DOWN.

UM, THAT'S THE INTENT FOR THAT.

AND ON THE SPRAY GROUNDS, BASICALLY A FULL SPRAY GROUND OF LIKE, WE HAD BEEN BUILDING THE, THE MASSIVE ONES TYPICALLY WE'RE THREE TO THREE AND A HALF MILLION, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING MINI SPRAY GROUNDS AT THIS POINT FOR ONE AND A HALF MILLION.

OKAY.

AND THEN I KNOW WHEN WE WERE ON THE TOUR, GARRETT BOONE MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ARE WE LOOKING AT L E D LIGHTING? YES.

UM, AND SO THAT, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE'RE SPENDING, LIKE, BUT IF THAT'S ALSO WHERE WE'RE INCORPORATING THOSE FUN ENVIRONMENTALLY.

YEAH, BASICALLY WE ARE, WE ARE NOT DOING ANY SODIUM SODIUM LIGHTING ANYMORE.

EVERYTHING THAT GOES IN IS L E D.

UM, AND, AND THE HIGHEST QUALITY THAT WE CAN GET AT THIS POINT.

UM, AS FOR MASTER PLANS, IF I CAN JUST THROW THAT OUT IF, LIKE, SO FOR THE DOG PARK MASTER PLAN AND THE PLAYGROUND, THAT'S MORE OF A TECHNICAL REVIEW.

AND SO THAT CAN BE HANDLED IN-HOUSE, YOU KNOW, WITH PROPER STAFFING.

BUT THE ONES WE'RE LOOKING AT OUTSOURCING, WE'RE LOOKING AT SYSTEM-WIDE ISSUES, LIKE WHAT IS THE STATUS OF OUR, YOU KNOW, ATHLETIC FIELDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S OUR, OUR RACKET SUPPORT SYSTEM LOOK LIKE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SYSTEM-WIDE, BROADER ANALYSIS OF WHAT'S OUR USERSHIP LOOK LIKE, WHERE DO WE NEED TO TAKE THE DEPARTMENT? THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO START OUTSOURCING THOSE TYPE OF MASTER PLANS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO WITH THAT SEEMS LIKE, OKAY, SO, UM, AM I OKAY IN HEARING THAT 200 AND 400 IS OUT? SO NOW LET'S DISCUSS, IS IT 300 OR MORE? SO I OPEN UP THE FLOOR, UH, AT IT SEEMS LIKE AN AUCTION AT THREE, AT THREE AT, OKAY.

AND TAKE ANY OPINIONS ON THAT.

SO, UH, MR. UH, CONNOR, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO TO THREE 50.

UH, MR.

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CONNOR, YOU HAVE A COMMENT, PLEASE? YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS JUST GONNA BACK THAT UP.

JUST, I, I THINK THREE 50 DROPS US FROM 400 SHOWS THAT WE'VE COME IN WITH A BIT OF A REDUCTION, BUT LEAVES US MAXIMUM NEGOTIATING, UM, UH, ROOM AND I, I, I ADVOCATE THREE 50.

OKAY.

SO LET'S DISCUSS THE NUMBER OF 350 MILLION.

ANY THOUGHTS, UH, BY ANYONE ON THAT NUMBER? AND AGAIN, I THINK THE PRIORITIES WHERE WE ALLOCATE AND ALL THAT'LL START FROM GROUND ZERO.

ONCE THE TOP LINE NUMBER IS DECIDED.

MR. GOLDSTEIN, I JUST AGREE WITH THREE 50 SLASH 35%.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SPOT FOR US TO BE IN RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

UM, OKAY, MR. COURT, SO ARE YOU SAYING 300 OR, UH, ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN? DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION? I'M, I'M JUST, I SUPPORT LANE'S SUGGESTION THAT WE GO WITH THREE 50.

OH, AT THIS POINT? YES.

THREE 50.

GOT IT.

UH, MR. KAMI, WHATEVER WE GO WITH NEEDS TO BE AN INCREASE FROM THE 2017.

WE WERE AT 311 WHEN YOU COMBINE FAIR PARK AND WHAT PARK GOT IN 2017, ANY ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT IS JUST, IT'S, IT'S BENEATH US.

WE NEED, WE NEED TO SHOOT FOR MORE THAN THAT.

SO THREE 50 S IN LINE AND MR. KAMI TO SUPPORT THAT.

I THINK WITH THAT BOND MONEY, THIS PARK DEPARTMENT HAS LOT TO SHOW FOR FROM WHAT HAS HAPPENED FROM THAT BOND MONEY.

SO WE, WE CAN SUBSTANTIATE THAT, WHAT THAT MONEY DID FOR THE CITY.

SO I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU.

UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, MR. DICKEY? UH, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT.

UH, WELL NOW I'M KIND OF EMBARRASSED ABOUT MY 200 MILLION, UH, HAVING HEARD EVERYBODY, UH, I TOTALLY AGREE WE SHOULD GO BIG.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING, WHY, WHY GO FOR THE LOWER NUMBER? IT IS A NEGOTIATION, BUT I THINK THAT REFLECTS SOME OF MY PESSIMISM ABOUT THE BOND IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN TRY TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS BOND.

UM, I WOULD JUST SAY, CAUSE UM, VICE PRESIDENT WOOD MADE A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE CITY'S LACK OF MAINTAINING OUR ASSETS AND THAT WE TEND TO DO THAT WITH BOND PACKAGES.

THAT'S BEEN GOING BACK FOR YEARS AND LAMENTED FOR YEARS BY EVERYONE.

NOTHING EVER SEEMS TO CHANGE, BUT I THINK, UH, WE COULD CHANGE THAT GOING FORWARD AND CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN OUR PROPERTIES.

THIS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO GO.

BUT HAVING SAID THAT, WITHIN, AND THIS GETS TO WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS, IS, IS DECIDING THESE PERCENTAGES.

I THINK GIVEN THAT, THAT IN A WAY THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THIS E TC STUDY THAT WAS JUST DONE, WERE 45% THE GREATEST DISSATISFACTION AMONG OUR CITIZENS AND HAS INCREASED SINCE TWO YEARS AGO.

I THINK IT WAS 45% WAS DISSATISFIED WITH OUR MAINTENANCE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO IN A SENSE, SO THE PEOPLE HAVE KIND OF TOLD US THEY WANT US TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE, AND I WOULD JUST PROPOSE THAT AS WE GO FORWARD AND WE START TO DO OUR TRANCHES OF WHERE WHATEVER MONEY WE GET GOES THAT WE FOCUS ON FIXING THINGS INSTEAD OF GREAT NEW THINGS, WHICH ARE GREAT TO DO, BUT THAT WE LOOK AT THE THINGS THAT WE THINK OUR CONSTITUENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT.

MAYBE IT'S A REC CENTER THAT NEEDS A REMODEL AS OPPOSED TO A BRAND NEW REC CENTER.

UH, THERE'S THE EQUITY FACTOR TOO, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS THAT NEED A BRAND NEW REC CENTER.

I GET THAT.

BUT I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE US TO HOPE THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF THIS MONEY FIXING THE THINGS THAT WE KNOW OUR CONSTITUENTS ARE UNHAPPY WITH, THAT WE'VE LET FALL APART.

UH, AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, I KNOW FOR THE NEXT ROUND.

BUT, SO I'M ALL FOR THE GOING FOR THE THREE 50 AND WITHIN THAT, FOCUSING ON FIXING THINGS.

THANK YOU, MR. DICKEY.

MR. I YOU'RE MUTED.

I'M SORRY.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO NOT TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, UM, BUT WE DO NEED TO, AND WE, WE CALL EQUITY, UM, AND WE WANNA REPAIR WHAT WE HAVE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE, THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVEN'T HAD FOR 50 SOME YEARS? SO WE GOTTA MAKE, I, I KNOW THERE'S A, A, A PUSH FOR NEW VERSUS REPAIRING AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, A COMBINATION OF ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THERE'S, THERE'S AREAS THAT, YOU KNOW, NEED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT THAN, I MEAN, ALL OF OUR DISTRICTS HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT NEEDS AND WE'VE GOTTA IDENTIFY THAT COLLECTIVELY, UM, AND ACROSS THE BOARD.

BUT I, I PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE STILL PUSH FOR MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THREE 50, I THINK 4, 3 75, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED AT FOUR

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50.

UM, I, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A SHAME IN THE GAME IF WE HAVE TO COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DO 3 75.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE'RE MAKING SOME GREAT, UM, PROGRESS ACROSS OUR PARK DISTRICT, ACROSS OUR PARK, UM, SYSTEM.

UM, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS AT FAIR PARK, UM, IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE BRIMMER, UM, I THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF OTHER STUFF COMING TO FAIR PARK.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO, LET'S JUST FIGHT FOR AS MUCH AS WE CAN, THERE IS NO SHAME FOR US ASKING FOR, BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA COME IN ASKING FOR 200 MILLION FOR HOUSING TO REPAIR PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND HELP WITH, YOU KNOW, LOW INCOME HOUSING STUFF.

SO THERE IS NO SHAME FOR US GOING IN WITH 400 THOU OR 400 MILLION OR 375 MILLION.

LIKE SOMEBODY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET MORE IF WE ASK FOR LESS.

SO I, I AGREE WITH Y'ALL AND I, I APPRECIATE THE NUMBER AND IF WE WANNA END UP AT ABOUT THREE 50, LET'S GO FOR 3 75 OR 400.

YOU KNOW, WE STARTED OUR NUMBERS AT FOUR 50, SO EVEN AT 400 WE'RE STILL, UM, GIVING A COMPROMISE, BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUSH IT EVEN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

3 75 Y'ALL.

3 75.

THANK YOU MR. WOOD.

SO, UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MS. RICE? THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR, IVAN.

WELL, I AGREE WITH, UM, VICE CHAIR WOOD AS WELL AS, UH, MR. DICK.

KEEP GOING.

UH, AND MY OTHER COLLEAGUES THAT HAVE, UH, SPOKEN ABOUT GO, UH, GOING FOR THREE 50 OR EVEN HIGHER.

UM, AND I WANNA GO BACK TO WHAT MR. WOOD HAS SAID ABOUT MAINTENANCE.

SO MAINTENANCE, I UNDERSTAND MAYBE WE NEED TO, THIS WOULD UH, BE A SEPARATE DISCUSSION, BUT HOW MUCH IS THE BUDGET FOR MAINTENANCE TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH LIKE THOSE PARKING LOT REPAIRS AND THE SECURITY CAMERAS THAT WE'RE SAYING THAT'S MORE MAINTENANCE THAN BOND THAN, WHAT IS THE BUDGET FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE? IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO INCREASE? WELL, I MEAN, NOTHING .

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, RHETORICAL QUESTION, I KNOW WOULD BE SPREAD ABOUT 20 MILLION OVER A YEAR.

NO, I MEAN, YES, THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET WOULD, IT WOULD BE, UM, IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE EFFORTS TO INCREASE IT.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, SOME OF, SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF REPAIRS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SECURITY LIGHTS AND ATHLETIC FIELD LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT,