[2024 Bond Program: Allocation Discussion on July 31, 2023.]
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UH, WE CONVENE OUR DALLAS BOND COMMITTEE'S MEETING TO ORDER.
HOPE YOU ALL ARE HAVING A GOOD SUMMER.
AND I HEARD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE JUST CAME FROM COLORADO.
BUT I KNOW WE ALL TOOK A BREAK AND NOW COMES THE REAL TIME WHEN THIS DISCUSSION GETS VERY ROBUST.
SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS EVENING, UH, WITH THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I, WE HAD LOTS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IN LAST WEEK OR FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, THERE WERE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS EVENING'S MEETING, ABOUT THE CONFUSION, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND ALL.
AND THAT'S ONE REASON I THINK THE AGENDA WAS A LITTLE DELAYED WHEN JENSEN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ROBUST AND WE GET TO THE, GET TO THE LEVELS OF DECISIONS WE NEED TO, TO START MAKING SOME FINAL DECISIONS.
AND WITH THAT, I THINK TODAY WE HAVE OUR TASK FORCE AND ALL OUR COMMITTEE CHAIRS WHO ARE DOING SOME INCREDIBLE WORK.
YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AMAZING, UH, YOU KNOW, TOOLS OF DIFFERENT, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES, WHICH HAS BEEN EYE-OPENING.
COUPLE OF THEM FOR ME AS WELL WITH THE AREAS I DIDN'T KNOW.
SO I REALLY, THE WORK IS HAPPENING THERE AND I REALLY APPLAUD THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO BRING THAT.
WE HAVE A NEW TASK FORCE MEMBER, COURTNEY, LOVE TO WELCOME HER.
I THINK WE LOOK FORWARD WORKING WITH YOU.
I THINK THE WAY YOU HAVE INTERACTED IN A WEEK OR SO SEEMS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE SO BENEFITED WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE LOOKING FORWARD, WORKING WITH YOU, CODY.
WITH THAT, UH, I THINK OUR FIRST POINT OF AGENDA IS, UH, THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM ALLOCATIONS.
I THINK WE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THEIR, YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT'S THE TOTAL BOND SIZE, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ALLOCATED.
THERE WAS SOME INDICATED, UH, NUMBERS WHICH CAME OR SUGGEST WHATEVER THE RIGHT WORD IS FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
AND TODAY IS, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO TAKE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF HOW, HOW DO WE TAKE THOSE ALLOCATIONS BY THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO THE NEXT LEVEL.
BUT THAT, I THINK I HAND OVER TO JEN TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALLOCATIONS AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS WE FEEL, AND WE'LL PUT THAT TO DISCUSSION THERE.
AND JUST, UH, TWO HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. SO, UM, THIS IS BEING LIVE STREAMED FOR, FOR FOLKS.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO WATCH THIS LATER IN THE WEEK ONCE IT GETS POSTED.
AND THEN FOR THE BINDERS THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR EVERYBODY, THOSE BINDERS JUST SHOW THE 2017, UM, UH, PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE, WERE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE BY THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
UH, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE 25 OF THE SAME BINDERS TODAY, SO WE, UM, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME CONTENT THOUGH, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY.
UM, SO WE'LL START THE SLIDESHOW.
IT KIND OF MIMICS OUR, UM, OUR AGENDA.
UH, TONIGHT WE ARE GONNA GO OVER THE ALLOCATIONS, EQUITY COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, UH, FINAL SUBCOMMITTEE DELIVERABLE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE SCHEDULE, AND THEN, THEN THE OVERALL BOND SCHEDULE.
UM, SO THE ALLOCATIONS AS MENTIONED, UM, THAT, THAT IS THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
SO, UM, THE SLIDES ON THE, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW SHOWS, UH, WHAT WAS IT PRESENTED IN THE MEMO FROM A COUPLE MONTHS BACK, UM, WHICH GOES OVER WHAT THE ORIGINAL SCENARIO WAS, EXCUSE ME, THE AVERAGE OF OUR COUNCIL FEEDBACK, THE DEPARTMENTAL REQUEST AND POSSIBLE SCENARIOS.
UM, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR BOND, UH, PROGRAM THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER.
UM, WE HAVE PROVI, UH, PREPARED A POLL THAT WE ARE GONNA SEND OUT TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.
UM, SO WE CAN GET YOUR OPINION AS TO WHERE, UH, YOU WOULD SPEND A BILLION DOLLARS.
AND WE ARE OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYBODY IN THEIR OWN SUB SUBCOMMITTEE WILL OBVIOUSLY FAVOR, UM, OR I WOULD ASSUME WOULD FAVOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT THEY'RE ON.
BUT, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, A GOOD EXERCISE FOR US TO ALL GO THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THE OTHER DOLLARS NEED TO FALL AND WHERE THOSE PRIORITIES ARE OUTSIDE OF, OF WHAT EVERYBODY HERE HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK AND, UM, HARD WORK INTO.
UM, SO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE IS GOING TO ASK OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT THEY PROVIDE VARIOUS FUNDING SCENARIOS FOR THEIR PROPOSITIONS, UH, WE'RE THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR A LOW AND MEDIUM AND HIGH, UM, PROPOSAL, UH, BASED ON THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE.
AND THESE THREE SCENARIOS WILL BE, UM, USED AS A GUIDE ONCE THE CAPACITY HAS BEEN, UM, PROVIDED BY OUR BUDGET OFFICE.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT SEPTEMBER 20TH.
AND ARUN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, IF THA THANKS, JEN.
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ALLOCATIONS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE WOULD BE ACHIEVING.I KNOW THERE IS A, UH, POSSIBLE SCENARIO NUMBER AND WITHIN THE SUBCOMMITTEES, I WOULD, AGAIN, REQUEST, I THINK, TO KEEP SOME OF THOSE, WHEN WE DISCUSSED INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE SIGNATURE PROJECTS WE HAVE WITHIN THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES? HOW ARE WE LEVERAGING OUR DOLLARS TO, UH, TAKE THAT? IF IT'S A BILLION DOLLAR, HOW DO WE LEVERAGE IT TO, UH, WHERE WE USE OTHER RESOURCES? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE WE HAVING THE CONTINUITY OF THE GROWTH? UH, WE WON'T, WE ALL KNOW WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE EVERYTHING WE WANT WITHIN THIS BOND PROGRAM.
SO, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING WHICH WAS THERE IN LAST BOND, WHICH NEEDS TO CONTINUE? AND IS THERE SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE TO ALLOCATE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT, BUT IT CAN CONTINUE IN THE NET NEXT, UH, BOND PROGRAM.
SO I, I THINK IF WE KEEP THOSE IN MIND AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP, UH, ALWAYS THEY HAVE GIVEN THEIR PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THREE PS, UH, WHICH IS, UH, UH, POTHOLES OR STREETS, UH, PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE PRIORITIES, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE.
SO I WOULD USE THAT AS AN INDICATION.
BUT IF THERE'S A NUMBER WHICH YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, UH, IS HIGHER, YOU, OF COURSE, I THINK I DOUBT ANYONE WILL GO LOWER THAN THAT, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO LOWER THAN THAT IF YOU FEEL WITH THOSE PRIORITIES THAT HOW DO WE LEVERAGE AND HOW DO WE CREATE THOSE PROJECTS.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT, AND THAT'LL BE VERY KEY FOR THIS TASK FORCE LATER TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL COUNT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES FOR THAT NUMBER.
SO ONCE THE SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSALS, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, COMMUNITY TOWN, TOWN HALLS WILL BE CONDUCTED TO GATHER, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, UH, MAY, I'VE SEEN A BUNCH OF TYPOS.
I DID THIS TODAY, SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT.
UM, BUT THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE MAY ASK THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO RECONVENE, UM, TO, TO ADJUST ANY PROPOSITIONS BASED ON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE, UM, ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE ON SLIDE SIX.
SO THE NEXT, UH, ITEM WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT WAS, WAS EQUITY.
UM, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE S ANY QUESTIONS.
YEAH, I, I DO HAVE A, A FEW QUESTIONS.
UM, THE ALLOCATION, UH, IN PROVIDING PERCENTAGE ALLOCATION, THAT PARTICULAR LIST BY PROPOSITION, I GUESS, FOR THIS COMING BOND PROPOSITION, WILL THAT BE THE ALLOCATION LIST OR IS IT GONNA BE BASED ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES? NO, SO THAT'S AN INDICATOR LOCATION WITH CITY OFFICE BASED ON THEIR DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER.
EXPLAIN, BUT NOW SUBCOMMITTEES WILL COME WITH THEIR OWN NUMBER, AND THEN TASK WILL DISCUSS BASED ON THE DATA, WHAT THAT FINAL LOCATION.
WHICH GETS RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCIL AND OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
UM, THE, THE CONCERN IS, FOR EXAMPLE, CRITICAL FACILITIES, AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT IT'S REALLY NOT JUST CRITICAL, IT'S ALL FACILITIES, AND WE START THROWING, UH, ARTS IN THE MIX AND LIBRARIES IN THE MIX AND, AND POLICE AND FIRE IN THE MIX.
IT, IT GETS TO BE, UM, A BIG THING.
AND IT'D BE REAL EASY FOR, UH, I MEAN, A SUBCOMMITTEE CAN SAY, HEY, POLICE AND FIRE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.
LET'S HAVE ALL OF IT IN POLICE AND FIRE.
DO YOU THINK THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF SUBDIVIDE IT TO HAVE A MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE FOR SOME OF THOSE SUBCATEGORIES? UH, OR MAYBE DIRECT THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAYBE CONSIDER THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS ARE, AND THEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YEAH, THOSE THE NORMAL CRITICAL HOW, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME RECOMMENDATION
SO CRITICAL FACILITIES IS THE, IS THE, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE NAME, CORRECT.
BUT ALL OF THE, UM, THE LINE ITEMS
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THAT YOU SEE THERE, THOSE HAVE, HAVE BEEN THE TRADITIONAL, UH, PROPOSITIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE BONDS.SO THERE WOULD BE A LIBRARY PROPOSITION, UM, CITY FACILITIES, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL AND THAT KIND OF THING.
SO, UM, SO WE, SO I PUT THAT TOGETHER JUST KIND OF BASED ON HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD GO FORWARD.
SO, UM, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY WOULD ALL HAVE THEIR OWN PROPOSITION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CER COULD CERTAINLY BE DISCUSSED.
I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE ABOUT HAVING DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS FOR EACH DIFFERENT TYPE OF CATEGORY.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IF A, A COMMITTEE MEMBER ON THIS TASK FORCE THOUGHT, HEY, MAYBE 20% IS ENOUGH FOR LIBRARIES.
UH, AND THEN I, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT MAY NOT BE OUR JOB TO BE THAT GRANULAR OR I, I, I THROW THAT OUT THERE MM-HMM.
UH, THE OTHER THING IS, AND JUST QUICKLY GOING THROUGH THE LIST, UH, MR. CHAIR, I NOTICED THAT THERE, UM, A NUMBER OF NEW, UH, A NEW, UH, REQUESTS, NEW OR EXPANSION REQUESTS, UH, UH, ONE THING THAT THAT IS REALLY, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE NEEDS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS, A LOT MORE THAN A BILLION.
UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, TO ME, TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE GOT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
AND WHEN I SEE NEW AND EXPANSION, I START GOING, OKAY, REALLY WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO HERE? WE CAN'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE GOT.
SO, UM, MY, ONE OF MY THOUGHTS IS PERHAPS A DIRECTION IN COMING UP WITH THESE PRIORITIES IS TO HAVE A LITTLE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT STRONGER CONSIDERATION OF MAINTAINING WHAT WE GOT VERSUS A NEW AN EXPANSION REQUEST.
SO I THINK THAT'S THE REQUEST.
SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS ARE LISTENING AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY ARE, AND THEN WE WILL DELIBERATE HERE TO SEE IF WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.
AND THEN FINALLY, UH, I NOTICED A NUMBER, UH, OF REQUESTS THAT RELATED TO FACILITIES THAT, THAT I KNOW DO NOT HAVE GREAT UTILIZATION.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE LOOKING AT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT IF THERE ARE FACILITIES THAT DON'T HAVE HIGH UTILIZATION, THAT THAT MAY NOT BE ONE THAT YOU HAVE HIGH ON THE LIST REGARDLESS OF THE SCORE.
THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S MY OWN OPINION, MY OWN THOUGHT.
AND THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY WE'LL BRING UP OUR NEXT GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT EQUITY.
SO YEAH, MR. DICKEY, WE'LL GIVE FIVE MORE MINUTES.
AND THEN, YEAH, REAL QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO SECOND WHAT CHARLES COX HAS SAID ABOUT PRIORITIES FOR, UM, MAINTAINING THINGS BACK TO BASICS VERSUS NEW.
UH, THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT IN HIS INAUGURAL ADDRESS, AND THE CITIZENS SPOKE IN THE E T C SURVEY THAT WAS RECENTLY DID, THE NUMBER ONE DISSATISFACTION THEY HAD WAS OUR MAINTENANCE OF BASIC FACILITIES.
SO TO ME, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN IN THAT, AND I SECOND IT.
I, I AGREE THAT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN, UH, TAKING CARE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE KIND OF FALLING APART, WOULD TRUMP NEW THINGS.
NOT TO SAY THERE SHOULD BE NO NEW THINGS, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD FALL AS WELL.
SO, UH, REAL QUICK, JUST FOR EVERYBODY ANSWERING QUESTIONS, IF YOU COULD, UM, TALK INTO THE MIC.
SOME OF THE FOLKS LISTENING IN ARE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE ANSWERS.
UM, CAN WE GET, NOT, NOT TODAY, BUT CAN WE GET THE CAPACITY THAT THE CITY HAS FOR BOND, UH, BOND DEBT INTEREST? SO AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME NUMBER TO WORK BACK FROM.
I, I THINK RIGHT NOW, 1 BILLION IS THE NUMBER, UH, AND THEY STILL ARE FINALIZING LINDA, JEN, OR ROBERT, IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER WE HAVE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL FINALIZE THAT NUMBER TILL, UH, SEPTEMBER, END OF SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 20TH.
SO THERE WON'T BE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
IT'S SCENARIO LIKE AT 1 BILLION, THIS SCENARIO AT 1.2, IN THIS SCENARIO AT 1.3, THE CAPACITY IS 1 BILLION.
THERE MIGHT BE, I, I WOULD BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AND SHOCKED IF IT GOES OVER 1.1 OR ANY OF THAT.
SO, SO I, I WOULD RIGHT NOW KEEP BASELINE OF 1 BILLION, BUT YOU CAN CREATE THAT ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO OF 1.1, 1.2.
UM, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH.
UH, WHAT TROUBLES ME IS THAT MOST LIKELY THE LOW IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S ON THERE.
THE MEDIUM IS GONNA BE HIGHER, AND THE HIGH IS GONNA BE HIGHER STILL.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO A BILLION THAT WAY.
AND, AND IT SEEMS LIKE AN EXERCISE THAT WILL BE, UH, THE RESULTS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO US AND WE WON'T REALLY BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEM EXCEPT START AGAIN AND DECIDE HOW WE WANNA ALLOCATE.
SO I'M JUST, YEAH, A LITTLE SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE EXERCISE.
SO, AND JOYCE WAS THAT TODAY WE GIVE THAT ALLOCATION, WHICH
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I DON'T THINK, UH, ANYONE WAS READY, THAT THE TASK FORCE TODAY GAVE THE ALLOCATION AFTER DEBATING SAYING, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THIS MUCH AND ALL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A MONOPOLY MONEY ALLOCATION.SO I THINK THIS AT LEAST WILL GIVE US SOME MORE TIME, AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE PROCEED THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WHICH WILL HELP US.
SO I AGREE STILL, I THINK THERE'LL BE A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE, BUT I THINK WITH WHAT IS DONE, WE'LL HAVE OPTIONS TO DISCUSS.
AND THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON OF THIS.
UM, I'M GONNA TALK FOR MYSELF, MAYBE SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS.
UM, I THINK WE NEED A NUMBER TO START WITH.
SO I, TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE THE FLOOR.
AND I THINK IF YOU, IF, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SOMEWHAT ASPIRATIONAL, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA PUSH IT AROUND.
SO IF I JUST GAVE YOU 50 AND SOMEHOW BY SOME MIRACLE I GOT LIKE 80 AND I TOOK SOME OF PARKS MONEY, SAY, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO FROM.
SO I HAVE TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING.
MY THOUGHT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THIS IS THE FLOOR.
AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT A ONE 50 AND A 200, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SAY, IF WE HAD A LOT OF MONEY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.
BUT I THINK PART OF WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH ALLOCATIONS IS HOW WE ORGANIZE IT.
YOU KNOW, SO THERE'LL BE SOME CITY-WIDES PROBABLY GONNA TO WANT TO STAY, I THINK.
AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ALLOCATIONS PER DISTRICT.
AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCT ISSUES.
UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST AS A SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR, I THINK WHAT WE LOOK TO YOU TO DO IS TO GIVE US SOMETHING TO START WITH SO THAT WE KNOW THAT MY SCENARIO IS, THIS IS A HUNDRED, AND THEN TELL ME DO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THERE AS YOUR MEDIUM AND YOUR HIGH, BECAUSE I, I'M NOT GONNA GO TO 500 FOR MY HIGH, THAT'S WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME, INCLUDING MY STAFF WHO HAS TO GO AND SCORE ALL THAT STUFF.
SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME GROUNDWORK HERE.
SECONDLY, I WANNA SAY I'M NOT SUPER WILD ABOUT THE SURVEY.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REALLY MAKES A TON OF SENSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN THE SENSE THAT I DO THINK I CARE WHAT YOU ALL THINK, BUT I ALSO WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU.
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD ALLOCATE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM US YET? SO I THINK IF YOU GIVE US A WAY TO SAY, GIVE ME, USE THIS, JUST CALL IT, I KNOW COUNSEL CAN, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER IT WANTS, BUT GIVE ME THREE SCENARIOS CONSTRUCTED THIS WAY.
AND THEN MAYBE Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THAT.
'CAUSE AT LEAST YOU HAVE SOME IDEA WHAT WE'VE GOT TO SAY.
WELL, I THINK SO-AND-SO NEEDS, YOU KNOW, 20% OR SO-AND-SO NEEDS 30.
AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALK, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE GRABBING ONTO.
AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE IF YOU'RE DOING THIS SURVEY, JUST SAYING SOME RANDOM, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S PIPELINING UP FROM US, IT FEELS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A HARD SURVEY TO ANSWER.
SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON, ON HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH THE ALLOCATION.
AND IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT AS A SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THERE.
MY SUBCOMMITTEE HAS ALREADY PUT OUT ITS FIRST VERSION NOW.
SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME DOWN BASED, THAT'S ONE REASON WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING, WAS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE FOOTHOLD FOR US SO THAT WE DON'T GIVE YOU SOMETHING OVERLY, OVERLY DONE, BUT YET GIVES YOU SOME WIGGLE ROOM BECAUSE IT IS GONNA HAVE CATEGORIES.
SO SOMETIMES THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA FLUCTUATE BECAUSE WE ALL PUT ONE MORE CITYWIDE IN THAN WE DID BEFORE.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO MY BIG, MY BIG CHALLENGE IS GIVE ME A, GIVE ME SOMETHING TO BASE IT OFF.
TELL ME HOW LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH ARE GONNA BE BASED.
AND THEN MAYBE THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO A SURVEY OR NOT.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA FROM US, MR. PEREZ, YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT, UH, ARMFUL CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS.
UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE DID DISCUSS WAS USING THE POSSIBLE SCENARIO YOU SEE IN THE FAR, UH, RIGHT COLUMN AS A STARTING POINT.
UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, FROM THAT POINT, UH, GIVE SCENARIOS OF 25% UNDER 50%, UNDER 25% OVER AND 25 AND 50% OVER, SO THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE.
UH, AND THEN FOUR OTHER SCENARIOS FOR CONSIDERATION.
UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THAT POSSIBLE SCENARIO ROW, UH, DOESN'T, UH, INCORPORATE THE CITY MANAGER'S, UH, INPUT AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK.
SO, UM, IF I COULD RECOMMEND A STARTING POINT THAT THAT MIGHT BE IT.
SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.
I'VE ALSO SUGGESTED TO JEN, WE MOVE UP COUNCIL INPUT.
I THINK, I THINK PART OF THIS PROCESS IS WAY OUT OF ALIGNMENT IN THE SENSE THAT I'M NOT THROWING THAT ON ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO HEAR COUNCIL'S THEMES AND GOALS AFTER I'M DONE.
YOU KNOW, THAT, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW.
I THINK I KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR WANTS 'CAUSE HE'S OBVIOUSLY MADE HIMSELF CLEAR AND I KNOW SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AS WELL.
BUT I WOULD, I'VE ENCOURAGED COUNCIL EVEN IN A BRIEFING MEETING TO TRY TO SAY SOMETHING TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE
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THINKING IN TERMS OF THESE GOALS.'CAUSE BACK TO BASICS, MAN, I DO BETTER IN THAT ONE, YOU KNOW? BUT I MEAN, IT'S HARD, UM, TO KNOW, TO GET THAT AFTER I THINK THIS PROCESS.
AND FRANKLY, Y'ALL'S PROCESS IS PRETTY WELL DONE BY THAT POINT.
YEAH, NO, WE'RE TOTALLY, AND AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER IN TOWN HALLS AND THEY ARE HAPPENING, ANITA, AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO EXTRAPOLATE AND, UH, SEE HOW YOUR COMMITTEE WILL BE DOING THAT ALLOCATION.
I STARTED BY SAYING, YES, YOU HAVE A HARD JOB.
IT'S NOT EASY AND IT WON'T BE EASIER.
AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES HERE AS A, LIKE, I THINK, AND I WANT SOME MORE LINE ITEMS ON THE CHART, CAN I HAVE MY SPECIAL LINE ITEM FOR LIKE ONE THING OR ANOTHER? THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR.
YEAH, NO, YOU CAN, I, I THINK FAIR WHEN YOU PUT LIBRARIES UP THERE, I MEAN, WHO'S GONNA SAY NO TO THAT? NO, ABSOLUTELY.
THIS IS NOT, I THINK FINALLY, AND THERE MIGHT BE THINGS YOU WANT TO ADD OR DELETE THAT THAT'LL COME FROM YOUR RECOMMENDATION, MR. BOONE.
AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT.
WELL, WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE PROPOSAL, THE 2017 BOND PROPOSAL AND ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, I THOUGHT, WHY, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WAS MORE COMFORTABLE JUST SAYING WE, WE JUST NEED TO LAND ON SOMETHING AND PROPOSE IT.
BECAUSE WHAT WE SAY DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IN THE END ANYWAY.
THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CAN CHANGE IT.
SO WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY WE THINK THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD HAPPEN AND PEOPLE TAKE SHOTS AT IT.
I DON'T, I JUST SEEM LIKE THE EXERCISE OF DOING THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS IS JUST KIND OF A WASTE OF TIME.
AND MR. BOONE, THAT'S THE PROCESS SET BY THE CITY.
EVERY SUBCOMMITTEE HAS 15 MEMBERS FROM EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THE CHAIR, THIS TASK FORCE HAS THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT GET REPLICATED IN HORSESHOE.
SO OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE THAT WHAT YOU RECOMMEND, THIS GROUP CANNOT SAY NO TO IT.
AND WHAT WE DO, COUNCIL CANNOT SAY NO TO IT.
IF WE HAVE, THEN WE HAVE DONE ALL OUR JOBS, UH, CORRECT.
BUT IT MIGHT AS WELL HAPPEN WHAT YOU SAID THAT, YEAH, WHAT YOU DO DOESN'T GET HERE AND FROM HERE GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEY SAY, THIS IS ALL, WE'LL JUST DO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT STILL WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD TO MR. VINCE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE THREE SCENARIOS.
I THINK I AM, I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS, UH, MS. MARGOLIN'S COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THE SUBCOMMITTEES COULD BEST SERVE THE TASK FORCE.
AND I'M NOT SURE SENDING YOU THREE SEPARATE SCENARIOS WILL SERVE YOU BEST.
IN FACT, IT MAY TAKE A, A COMPLICATED PROCESS AND THEN GIVE YOU A COMPLICATED PROCESS.
AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE SURVEY, I THINK ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE GONNA GET A SURVEY RESULT OUT OF THE, THE VOTE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES, RIGHT? THE, THE GOAL HERE IS TO DIGEST ALL THE INFORMATION, WHICH WE ARE NOT WHERE YOU GUYS ARE.
WE, WE ARE STILL GATHERING INFORMATION.
UH, WE HAVE OUR LAST, UH, MEETING TOMORROW BEFORE WE START DIGESTING.
AND THE SURVEY RESULTS THAT YOU RECEIVE, THE TASK FORCE WILL RECEIVE, WILL BE A VOTE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON WHERE THESE ALLOCATIONS WILL HAPPEN WITHIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AND, AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS.
AND SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY GETTING THAT, THAT SURVEY, UH, IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION.
AND, AND IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST GIVING ONE NUMBER, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE AS WELL.
UM, SO, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, JENNIFER, UM, THE POLL OR SURVEY THAT'S COMING OUT, WILL IT BE JUST BASED UPON THE SUBCOMMITTEES THEMSELVES OR WILL IT BE PER LINE THAT WE SEE ON THIS? UH, THIS TABLE HERE, IT'D BE BASED ON THE TABLE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.
AND THEN, UM, ARE YOU ALL, ARE WE TAKING AN AVERAGE OF WHAT THE, UM, TASK FORCE MEMBERS ARE STATING OR WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE, THE RESULTS OF THE, OF THE POLL.
IT'D BE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES AND WE'D PROBABLY PROVIDE YOU THE RAW DATA AND, AND THEN IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT, OTHER, OTHER WAYS AN AVERAGE.
AND IF THERE'S ANY OUTLIERS, YOU KNOW, THROW THOSE OUT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS THE LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS LISTENING TO THEIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TOO.
SO I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT SURVEY IS GOING TO INDICATE WHAT THEY ARE HEARING FROM THEIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TOO.
I BELIEVE, UH, CHAIR GATES HAS A QUESTION.
CHAIR GATES IS ON THE, ON THE MEDIA.
I BELIEVE SHE'S TRYING TO YES.
UM, I AGREE THAT THE, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER REGARDING THAT WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE OF.
AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN REALLY OBVIOUS, UM, IN THE BRIEFINGS WE'VE HAD SO FAR RELATED TO CRITICAL FACILITIES.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ITEMS, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN OUR GENERAL FUND AND PARTICULAR, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M
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SEEING THAT THERE'S A PUSH TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS IN THE BOND THAT SHOULD BE BACK AT GENERAL FUND FOR THE CITY.LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE, UM, ALL THE RESURFACING OF THE STREETS, UM, THAT NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL.
SO I THINK THAT'S, AND THAT'S A MESSAGE FOR THE COUNCIL.
UM, BUT THINGS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE INCORPORATING THINGS IN THE BOND THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING WITH THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR, FOR GENERAL, FOR GENERAL MAINTENANCE.
WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S BEING TAKEN CARE OF AS WELL.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE SECOND, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS TO, UM, UH, TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I THINK THIS, WHERE YOU HAVE THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK, THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK REGARDING THE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ALLOCATION IN EACH CATEGORY OR EACH PROPOSITION, I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ULTIMATELY GONNA BE THE ONES DECIDING THAT.
SO ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING FROM THEM WHEN THEY'RE BACK, UM, AFTER RECESS IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT AS WELL.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT JUST SPINNING WHEELS CREATING SCENARIOS THAT THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED AS WELL.
YEAH, NO, THANK YOU MS. GATES.
YEAH, VERY WELL SAID THAT, THAT I THINK, AGAIN, KEEP EYE ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AND NOT USE FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES WHILE WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE GOT RATHER THAN, UH, BUILDING NEW, WHICH CANNOT.
AND VERY QUICKLY, UM, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT MYSELF, BUT I GUESS I WILL A LITTLE BIT.
UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THREE SCENARIOS, ONE BEING THE FLOOR AND TWO BEING HIGHER, UM, ARE NOT GONNA DO US A LOT OF GOOD.
IT WOULD BE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S 20% LESS, 25% LESS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU JUST HAD TO DO IT, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD DO.
AND TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE SUBJECT MATTER BETTER THAN WE'RE EVER GONNA KNOW IT.
AND SO FOR YOU TO HAND US A 50% OR A HUNDRED PERCENT ABOVE WHAT'S THERE, AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA DO IT LIKE, BASED ON WHAT, SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US THAT KIND OF RANKING.
UH, YES MS. AND TO MS. MARGOLIN'S, UM, COMMENT, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR CAPACITY IS, WHAT YOUR ACTUAL CAPACITY IS, IT'S USUALLY 30% OF YOUR, OF, UH, YOUR GENERAL REVENUE MINUS ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BONDING, THE, THE, THE BOND RATERS IN NEW YORK ARE TELLING YOU THAT YOUR CAPACITY IS, IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER, IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO GIVE YOU THESE SCENARIOS.
IF YOU DON'T GIVE THEM THEM A LOWER NUMBER TO SEE WHAT THE BARE BONES WOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THEM A DISSERVICE.
WE'RE DOING, WE ARE DOING YOU A DISSERVICE.
UM, I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM BEING THROUGH TWO, TWO OF THESE ALREADY, TWO BOND ELECTIONS, UM, THAT THE CAPACITY 15 YEARS AGO WAS A BILLION DOLLARS.
SO I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE TO ASK THEM, IS THE BILLION DOLLARS THE CAPACITY? AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, WE'RE GONNA WORK AT IT.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE YOU A LOWER NUMBER THAN SAY, 10% LOWER, WHATEVER.
THE, THE NUMBER OF THE, THE NUMBER THAT THE STAFF HAS SET IS OUR CAPACITY.
AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE, YOU KNOW, OUR CAPACITY ENDS UP TO BE MUCH HIGHER NEXT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS, SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 10% HIGHER.
BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE THE, WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THE CITY IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HIGH OR LOW, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
'CAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET AN ACTUAL PERSON THAT ACTUALLY SAYS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THE C F O TO SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
C F O HAS NOT GIVEN THAT NUMBER.
MR. PEREZ, YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS CAPACITY? I KNOW YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.
SO, UH, AS OF TODAY, IT IS A BILLION DOLLARS.
THE CAPACITY IS A BILLION DOLLARS.
OUR, UH, TAX, OUR CERTIFIED TAX RULES JUST CAME IN THIS MONTH.
UM, AND OUR, UH, FINANCIAL TEAM IS, IS UPDATING THEIR MODELS.
UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TODAY, UH, AS FAR AS ANY ADDITIONAL CAPACITY BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO COUNSEL ABOUT IT.
NUMBER TWO, UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND SO, UM, AS, AS OF TODAY, THE EXERCISE, UH, IS TO ALLOCATE THE, THE BILLION DOLLARS.
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JENNIFER MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, BY, UH, SEPTEMBER, UH, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT AND BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT.UM, SO BASICALLY AUGUST NEXT MONTH.
UM, SO, BUT, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CAPACITY IS, THIS EXERCISE HAS TO BE DONE.
AND THE REASON IT HAS TO BE DONE IS BECAUSE, UH, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S $2.4 BILLION WORTH OF REQUESTS OUT THERE, AND WE ONLY HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, 1.1 OR 1.2 OR 1.3 BILLION.
SO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THIS EXERCISE HAS TO BE COMPLETED.
AND, AND I HAVE TO COMPLETELY AGREE OVER HERE AS WELL.
UM, I THINK THAT IF WE CONTINUE JUST TO GO UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EVENTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO CUT ANYWAYS.
SO, SO THE REQUEST, I THINK IS A VALID REQUEST, UH, FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO ACTUALLY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS, UM, WELCOME TO OUR WORLD.
UM, AND SO, UH, AT LEAST THIS WAY, UH, WE DO FEEL THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY INPUT, UH, IN THESE DECISIONS VERSUS JUST STAFF MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST, MA'AM.
KNOWING THAT OURS, UM, OUR COMMITTEE, IT'S EASY TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS SCORING PROCESS, RIGHT? AND SO IF IT'S A BILLION DOLLARS, YOU CUT IT OFF AT A BILLION DOLLARS.
AND IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, YOU, YOU CAN JUST GO DOWN THE LIST, RIGHT? EITHER WAY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SAME FOR, FOR EVERY COMMITTEE.
I DON'T, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S NO, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD TONY
BUT IN STREETS AND ALLEYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER AND WE ARE GOING TO DRAW A BRIGHT LINE AT A BILLION DOLLARS, AND YOU CAN GO UP AND DOWN ON THAT RELATIVELY EASY AND YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE ISSUE, UM, THAT, THAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO THAT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGH LOW NUMBERS, WHICH WILL BE COMING.
SO LET'S SAY WE ALL CERTAINLY FIND IT'S, UH, $1.2 BILLION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKS AS X DOLLARS AS LOW NUMBER AND X PLUS 10 AS, UH, MID NUMBER, AND THEN THAT BECOMES X PLUS 10.
SO THERE'S A SCENARIO ALREADY THERE, UH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE TIME WHEN WE FIND THE BOND CAPACITY.
BUT I, I, I, WE, WE JUST WILL HAVE TO START WITH THE BASE NUMBER AND THAT'S A BILLION DOLLARS.
IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.
I WISH THERE WAS A EXACT NUMBER WE COULD DISCUSS TODAY, MS. COOPER.
BUT, BUT I THINK WE'LL JUST HAVE TO START WITH THAT BASE NUMBER.
UH, YEAH, MR. BOONE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT, I, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW YOU, YOU MAKE THAT JUDGMENT OF WHAT THE CAPACITY IS, BUT IS THAT LITERALLY SCIENCE? IF YOU TAKE 20 DIFFERENT PEOPLE, WILL THEY ALL COME UP WITH THE SAME NUMBER? OR MIGHT ONE COME UP WITH A BILLION DOLLARS, ONE COME UP WITH 1.5 BILLION? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE WIGGLE ROOM THERE? IS IT JUST ANY, ANY IDIOT WHO CAN DO THE MATH WILL COME UP WITH THE SAME QUESTION? OR CAN YOU PLAY, YOU KNOW, PLAY LARGE AND GO, GO FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT OR PLAY SMALL AND GO FOR A LOWER AMOUNT? WHAT, WHAT'S SO FOR THE OVERALL BOND CAPACITY, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
SO OUR OFFICE OF BUDGET IS, IS TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND LIKE, UM, MR. PEREZ SAID THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE TAX RULES THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GOT JUST THIS, THIS MONTH.
UM, I WILL SAY, AS PART OF OUR SUMMER TOWN HALLS, WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE ASKING THE SAME THING.
UM, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE WENT BIGGER? AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO OUR BUDGET OFFICE, AND AS PART OF THEIR BRIEFING, I THINK THEY ARE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT A BIGGER DOLLAR BOND WOULD BE, BUT THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, INCREASING TAXES.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S PALATABLE, BUT, UM, BUT THEY, I DID SAY THAT WE, AND WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THAT, SO THEY ARE GONNA LOOK INTO IT.
BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S AS MUCH AS WE COULD, YOU KNOW, SAY ABOUT IT.
WITH THAT, WE MOVE TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ABOUT EQUITY.
DO YOU, UH, JEN, YOU WANT TO TAKE CON AND GIVE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE IT AND WHAT ARE WE DOING? YES, THANK YOU.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME FOLKS FROM OUR OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION WHO WE'RE GOING TO, UH, PROVIDE A BRIEF, UH, OVERVIEW OUR EQUITY HERE, THE CITY.
SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE DOING THIS THIS EVENING AS DIVISION AND AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSION ON
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INTEGRATION.SO THAT, AND, AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, I'LL REQUEST YOU TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC BECAUSE I'M GETTING TEXTS, UH, FROM OUR VIRTUAL PARTICIPANTS THAT THEY CAN'T HEAR.
SO PLEASE, PLEASE TRY TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC.
SO, SO JUST TO, UH, TO RECAP THE OVERALL PROCESS THAT WE'VE USED, UH, FOR OUR NEEDS INVENTORY, UH, WE HAVE USED THE OFFICE OF EQUITY INCLUSIONS, UM, UM, SCORING MAP THAT DIVIDED THE CITY IN BETWE, UH, INTO CATEGORIES THAT WERE ONE THROUGH FIVE AND TO, UM, ALLOW FOR 10 POINTS.
WE JUST MULTIPLIED THAT BY TWO.
UH, THE MAP THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN IS ONE THAT OVERLAYS THE, UM, THAT EQUITY SCORE ALONG WITH THE OVERLAYS THAT ARE, UM, ALSO DESCRIBED ON THE, ON THAT SLIDE.
AND IT DOES INCLUDE SOME D W PROJECTS.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LINEAR FEATURES AS THEY OVERLAY, OVERLAP THE OVERLAY MAPS.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST A, AGAIN, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
AND THESE 10 POINTS WERE USED IN ORDER TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS WITHIN PROPOSITIONS WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICTS, AND WITHIN THE CATEGORIES OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS.
UM, AT ONE OF THE, THE LAST STREETS, UH, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ACTUAL FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, EQUITY AND WHAT WE WERE DOING TO ADDRESS THAT OR TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.
UH, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, UM, AND HE'S, ID IDENTIFIED A, A 30%, UH, OVERALL BOND GOAL FOR THE, UH, 2024 BOND PROGRAM.
UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING, UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING TO THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, HOW E EQUITY IS ADDRESSED.
UM, IT COULD BE INCLUSIVE OF THESE POINTS OR IN ADDITION TO, BUT HOW IS THAT BEST ADDRESSED FOR YOUR PROPOSITION? UM, AND THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE WILL BEGIN DISCUSSIONS, UM, AS WELL AS HOW TO ADDRESS EQUITY FOR THE OVERALL BOND PROGRAM.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PROPOSITIONS OR SOME CATEGORIES WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM THAT, UM, MAY NOT ALIGN COMPLETELY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE EQUITY GOALS OF 30%, BUT I THINK THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE OVERALL BOND PROGRAM WOULD, SO, UM, LIBRARIES IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
THEY'RE FINISHING OUT THEIR MASTER PLAN THAT WAS STARTED IN 20, UH, 2000, AND I THINK THEY HAVE THREE PROJECTS LEFT.
AND SO THOSE THREE PROJECTS, I, I DON'T BELIEVE ARE IN THOSE AREAS, BUT, UM, BUT THEY HAVE WORKED FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS TO FINISH OUT THEIR MASTER PLAN.
AND SO I THINK WE WOULD ALL ENCOURAGE, UM, THAT THEY COMPLETE THAT MASTER PLAN AS THEY START ON THEIR NEXT MASTER PLAN.
UM, AND THOSE WERE THE, UH, THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON WHEN IT COMES TO EQUITY.
SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, OPEN AT 10 QUESTIONS.
THE 30 JENNIFER, THE 30% YOU WERE REFERRING TO IS THAT, UH, PER DISTRICT, HOW IS THAT BROKEN, BROKEN DOWN EXACTLY.
SO THOSE, WE'VE, WE WOULD NEED, NEED TO BEGIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
I THINK WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IS JUST, IS 30% OF THE OVERALL BOND, GENERALLY SPEAKING.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS INTO THE DETAILS OUTSIDE OF THAT.
BUT 30% DOES WHAT EXACTLY GOES TO DISTRICTS, GOES TO CENSUS TRACKS, GOES TO ZIP CODES.
SO MY THOUGHT IS HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE'VE BEEN BASING EVERYTHING ON THE EQUITY MAP THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN USING THE SCORING FOR, AND THAT'S BASED ON CENSUS TRACKS.
LINDSAY WILSON, DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION.
SO ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH THE CITY, AS WE THINK ABOUT EQUITY, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOUR, ANY OTHER RESOURCES ARE WHERE DO WE SEE THE GREATEST NEED? SO WHERE DO WE SEE SOME OF THE LARGEST DISPARITIES IN WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? SO AN INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH.
AND SO IN LIEU OF TRYING TO THINK OF NECESSARILY ABOUT IT AS DISTRICT, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NEEDS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, HOW ARE WE DEFINING THE, THE GREATEST NEED? AND I THINK A PIECE OF THAT ALSO, UM, UH, INCORPORATES THE TECHNICAL, UH, SCORING AS WELL AS SOME OF JUST THE HISTORIC, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE
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AND EQUITIES THAT WE STILL SEE, UM, HAVING THE LARGEST DISPARITY.SO THEN I WOULD SAY IN, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, ESPECIALLY HEARING SOME OF OUR, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS EARLIER TALK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, RIGHT? UM, YOU HAVE DISTRICTS THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE, THEY CAN'T EVEN QUALIFY FOR THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, THEREFORE WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHEN WE'RE SAYING 30%, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT DEFINED YET.
AND, AND WE NEED, WE NEED THE TASK FORCE, UH, HELP WITH THAT AS WELL AS THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
UM, BE BECAUSE, UH, AS JENNY MENTIONED, UH, THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP, UH, DURING A STREET SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSION.
AND, UM, THE, THE WAY THAT THE STREETS INFRASTRUCTURE WAS, UH, UM, UH, DIVIDED WAS 50% WOULD GO TO EACH DISTRICT, AND THEN 50% OF THE FUNDS WOULD GO TO A DISTRICT, TO THE DISTRICTS BASED UPON, UH, CONDITION.
AND THE QUESTION WAS POSED, WELL, HEY, WHAT ABOUT EQUITY? BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, WHO, WHO WE KNOW HAVE A HIGHER EQUITY NEED, UH, WERE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE WHILE DISTRICTS THAT, UH, HAD THE WORST, UH, STREET CONDITIONS WERE UP AT THE HIGHER END.
SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE BEGINNING, UH, OF, WE, WE HAVE THE SCORING BY PROJECT, WE HAVE THAT IF WE WANNA DO THAT, WE COULD DO THAT ALL DAY.
BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE, I MEAN, HOW DO WE, UM, HOW DO WE INVEST THIS, THIS 30%, UH, ACROSS THE BOND? AND SO THAT'S, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.
SO THAT'S LEFT UP TO, TO THIS BODY TO DECIDE WHAT 30% OR WHAT EQUITY REALLY MEANS IN THIS BOND? THAT'S CORRECT.
I MEAN, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP HERE, UM, THE, THE DARKER AREA GRIDS, THOSE ARE GONNA BE YOUR AREAS WITH THE, IF THIS IS JUST THE EQUITY MAP, THESE ARE GONNA BE THE AREAS WITH THE HIGHEST EQUITY NEED.
SO DO 30% ONLY GO INTO THE GRIDS THAT HAVE A SCORE OF FIVE OR 30% GO INTO THE GRIDS THAT HAVE A SCORE OF FOUR OR FIVE.
I THINK JENNY LOOKED AT IT, AND IF WE DID JUST THE FOURS AND FIVES, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A FEW DISTRICTS THAT DIDN'T REALLY GET VERY MUCH.
UM, IF YOU DID THE THREE, FOUR, AND FIVES, I THINK IT SPREADS IT ACROSS EVERY DISTRICT.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN SEEKING IS INPUT, UH, AND GUIDANCE FROM, FROM THIS BODY.
AND COULD THAT BE, UM, COULD, COULD THE EQUITY KIND OF BE A MOVING GOAL? AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
IN DISTRICT EIGHT, YOU STILL HAVE HOMEOWNERS RESIDENTS IN, IN DISTRICT EIGHT THAT ARE STILL ON SEPTIC, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, QUALIFYING FOR THE CONVERSATION OF TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN, CAN'T EVEN DO THAT BECAUSE THERE AREN'T, THERE AREN'T, UH, SEWAGE SYSTEMS IN DISTRICT EIGHT FOR SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SO EQUITY COULD BE PARKS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, A NUMBER, AND THEN IT COULD LOOK DIFFERENT FOR STREETS, BECAUSE AGAIN, IN DISTRICT EIGHT, IT'S A, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A, A, A A DIFFERENCE IN, IN SQUARE MILEAGE OF, OF THE DISTRICTS, RIGHT? AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, I'M, WELL, I'M THERE, I'M NOT FIGURING OUT, I'M, I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE, RIGHT? UH, THAT, THAT PROBLEM IS VERY COMPLEX TO SOLVE.
CAN I, CAN I CHIME IN JUST SLIGHTLY? THANK YOU.
AND SO THAT IS THE FRAMING AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, LIZIO PERRA WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, THAT THE CITY LOOKS AT, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY, IT'S BOTH A PROCESS AND AN OUTCOME.
AND THAT PROCESS PIECE GOES TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT? SO BEFORE WE EVEN MAKE A DECISION TO SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT AND WHO IT'S GOING TO BURDEN, RIGHT? AND I THINK ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING IS, HEY, IF WE LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, THEN WE MAY BE LEAVING OUT A WHOLE COMMUNITY OR A GROUP THAT'S RIGHT.
OR SO FORTH, RIGHT? UM, SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE BAKE EQUITY IN, AND THIS GOES AGAIN, BEYOND JUST A TOOL THAT WE USE, BUT THE THINKING, THE FRAMING THAT WE APPROACH THIS WORK IS WHO HAVE WE ENGAGED? WHAT HAS COMMUNITY SAID THAT WE NEEDED? WHAT IS THE DATA? AND I THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT THAT'S SAYING.
THIS IS THE DISAGGREGATED DATA THAT'S SAYING, HERE'S THE NEED.
BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THOSE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS AROUND THE FRAMING.
WHO ARE WE BENEFITING? WHO ARE WE BURDENING? AND THEN WHAT HAS COMMUNITY SAID? BECAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT NUMBERS ALL DAY, BUT WE ALSO NEED THE QUALITATIVE PIECE OF WHAT COMMUNITY, WHERE THE NEED IS AND WHAT COMMUNITY'S ASKING FOR.
AND THEN THE FINAL PIECE IS HOW ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE RUN SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO SEE IF WE HAVE IN FACT, INFUSED EQUITY IN THE PROCESS? AND I'M GONNA MAKE ONE LAST STATEMENT ON IT.
UM, I, I, I HOPE THAT WE DO NOT JUST KIND OF BACK, UH, BACK OURSELVES UP TO A, A DATE THAT WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE EQUITY PIECE DONE.
I HOPE WE HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION ACROSS HIS BODY, UH, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S, IT'S AN OUTCOME HERE.
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THINK IS VIRTUALLY JUST, UH, YOU WANT, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT LANE? YES, SIR.I, I, I, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH, WITH, UH, MR. BRYANT'S, UM, POINT THAT HE MADE AND, AND THE POINTS EARLIER ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE VERSUS NEW.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AREAS OF THE CITY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EQUITY PIECE THAT, THAT YOU MIGHT NOT THINK, UH, ARE, ARE HAVE A LOW EQUITY SCORE.
FOR INSTANCE, DISTRICT 12 HAS, HAS THE SECOND LEAST AMOUNT OF PARKS IN, IN THE CITY, BUT IT GETS FRAMED IN THE NORTH DALLAS CONVERSATION.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT THREE AND, AND HAS THEIR STREET SCORE IS VERY HIGH, BUT, BUT THEY TYPICALLY SCORE ALSO VERY HIGH ON THE EQUITY PIECE.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT IN A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND, AND, AND REALLY TALK ABOUT THE HAVE AND HAVE NOTS IN, IN TERMS OF, YES, I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AT AREAS THAT, THAT, THAT HAVEN'T HAD, UH, HISTORICALLY AS WELL.
AND, AND, AND MR. BRYANT, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I, I TEXTED ARUN RIGHT AS YOU STARTED TALKING AND YOU MADE, YOU MADE 90% OF MY POINT.
WHEN WE TALK SAME LANGUAGE, MS. UH, HAMMOND.
UM, SO NUMBER ONE, THANKS ROBERT FOR EXPLAINING THIS MAP.
I KNOW YOU GUYS BROUGHT IT WITH THE INITIAL EQUITY CONVERSATION, BUT I HAVE FORGOT WHAT ALL THE COLORS AND ALL OF THAT MEANT.
UM, OF COURSE MR. BRYANT HIT ON SOME OF MY POINTS AS WELL.
UM, BUT
'CAUSE I'D HATE FOR US TO BACK INTO THIS AND HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ONCE WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO, UM, COUNCIL, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LOOK EXTREMELY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE DISTRICT AS FAR AS WHAT IS EQUITY.
SO, UM, 'CAUSE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WERE, ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT STREETS OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND OVERALL? SO YOU ANSWERED THAT AND THAT'S 30%.
SO IN EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES, EQUITY IN EACH, UM, DEPARTMENT IS, OR AREA IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT.
SO I'M GONNA LIKE THROW THAT BACK ON THE CHAIRS OF THE COMMITTEES TOO.
SO WHEN YOU GUYS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GIVE US SOME, THESE EQUITY SCORES WILL BE BAKED INTO WHY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WILL MAKE THIS BODY UNDERSTAND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
I, I, ANITA, I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY
SO THE 10 POINTS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON FROM OUR, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE 10 POINTS OF EQUITY IS IN THE SCORES ALREADY, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE, WE, SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHEN WE'RE SCORING A PROJECT ON HERE, I'VE GOT TO 10 POINTS ALREADY ON HERE, HOWEVER IT RATED OUT PER YOUR OFFICE, OKAY? SO SOMEBODY GAVE US THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING.
OKAY? NOW, IF I'M, IF THE CONVERSATION IS WE NEED TO GET SOMEWHERE ELSE BASED ON SOME OTHER PRINCIPLE, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.
BECAUSE FOR US, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT.
AND I THINK YOU MAY NEED TO KNOW IT FROM COUNSEL, BUT WE SURE NEED TO KNOW IT FROM YOU BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO GET TO 30% OF SOMETHING, IF ELSE I'M GONNA HAND YOU SOMETHING YOU CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH.
'CAUSE IT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HAD EQUITY IN THAT 10 POINTS.
THAT'S WHAT I HEARD WHEN I HEARD THE FIRST BRIEFINGS WE MET MAY 11TH.
THAT, AND LET ME ADD ONTO HER QUESTION SO YOU CAN ANSWER 'EM BOTH.
AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF, IF IT'S NOT THE 10 POINTS THAT SHE SAID IS ADDED ON TO WHATEVER SCORE SHEET THEY HAVE AS CHAIRS, IS THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THEIR SPECIFIC AREAS? UM, AND, AND NOT JUST BASED ON A GENERAL MAP OF WHAT EQUITY IS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THIS, SO EVERY, EVERY PROJECT DOES HAVE AN EQUITY SCORE, UH, EITHER ON A ONE TO FIVE SCALE.
AND SO EACH PROJECT IS GONNA HAVE A SCORE OF 2, 4, 6, 8, OR 10 POINTS.
SO YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, EVERY PROJECT DOES HAVE A SCORE, AN EQUITY SCORE ADDED TO IT.
BUT AS FAR AS BEING, UH, THE DELIBERATE IN HOW WE INVEST THAT 30, 30%, DO WE ENSURE THAT 30%, UH, OF THE $300 MILLION GOES TO PROJECTS THAT HAVE A SCORE OF FIVE OR DOES, DOES THAT $300 MILLION GO TO PROJECTS THAT HAVE A FOUR AND FIVE? AND SO I THINK WE'LL GET THERE.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS BEING DELIBERATE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE NEED THE GUIDANCE AND, AND WE'RE SEEKING GUIDANCE FROM THIS GROUP TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE THE $300 MILLION WENT TO ON A FIVE POINT SCALE AND WENT TO THREE FOURS AND FIVES.
BUT SO, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING, ROBERT, UH, I'M SORRY, DR.
UM, SO THIS MAP, RIGHT, THE EQUITY MAP, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BASING THE FOURS, FIVES ONES,
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TWOS AND THREES ON, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES MA'AM.SO, BUT IS THAT BASED ON HOW MANY PARKS TO LANE'S POINT AND TO RANDALL'S POINT, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, I I, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS MAP WAS THAT IT WAS CREATED AS FAR AS EQUITY ON THE CITY AS A WHOLE, AND THE HAVES KIND OF HAVE NOTS TYPE OF SITUATION.
BUT WHEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY DIFFERENT TO LANE'S POINT FOR LIKE DISTRICT 12 MAY HAVE, SHOULD, SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A HIGH EQUITY SCORE AROUND PARKS IF THEY DON'T HAVE MANY.
BUT ON THIS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, RIGHT? SO THAT'S MY QUESTION, IS THIS MAP EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THESE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON? THANK YOU MS. HAMMOND.
AND THIS MAP REPRESENTS HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT EQUITY BASED ON OUR EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOOL, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT ARE BUILT INTO THAT.
SO THE MAP IS ONLY REFLECTIVE OF THE DATA THAT WE ARE COLLECTING AND, AND ASSESSING.
UM, AND SO THIS MAP IS NOT BASED ON DATA, UM, THAT THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED ITSELF.
IT'S BASED ON OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE GET, LIKE THE US CENSUS, A C P, ET CETERA.
UH, I'D ALSO WANT TO THROW ANOTHER WRENCH INTO THE CONVERSATION, WHICH IS THAT I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY MANAGER YET RELATED TO HIS GOAL.
UH, I THINK IT'S AN, IT'S AN EXCELLENT GOAL TO HAVE, BUT I, I DID WANT TO ACCOUNTANTS THAT, UH, OUR TEAM IS ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT ABOUT EQUITY BEING INTEGRATED INTO THE 70% IN ADDITION TO THE 30%.
SO LOOKING AT EQUITY IN A HOLISTIC MANNER.
SO I, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT THE CITY STAFF IS LOOKING AT EQUITY ONLY FROM A 30% ANGLE.
WILSON WANTS TO ADD ONTO THAT AT ALL.
I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS A PART JUST TO REITERATE, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T WANNA, UM, CARVE OUT 30% BECAUSE IN ACTUALITY WE WOULD STILL BE BURDENING THE LARGE IS COMMUNITIES WITH THE GREATEST DISPARITY.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, THAT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ONE COMPONENT OF IT, RIGHT? SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF WE LOOK AT 3 1 1 SERVICE REQUESTS, WHO'S MORE LIKELY TO CALL WITHIN THE CITY? AND SO IF WE'RE BAKING THAT END TO A CRITERIA, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THAT AS WELL.
AND SO AGAIN, JUST REFRAMING THE WAYS IN WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEYOND WHAT WE SEE HERE OF THE ALLOCATION OF ONE THROUGH OR TWO THROUGH 10 AND, AND BEING SENSITIVE TO, UH, TO THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UH, I ALSO DO NEED, AND I WANT TO SHARE A COMMENT THAT CAME OUT OF THE STREET SUBCOMMITTEE IS THAT YES, WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE, GIVE EQUITY, UH, A GOOD, UH, WE NEED TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THE BOND.
HOWEVER, WE KNOW TOO THAT IF ALL THE INVESTMENTS GO INTO THOSE DARK SHADED AREAS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH FUNDING.
AND AGAIN, WE NEED EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE ON BOARD WITH THIS.
SO YES, TAKE EQUITY UNDER PERSPECTIVE, YES.
UH, SHOOT FOR BEYOND THE 30% GOAL.
AS MENTIONED, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, I THINK THE DARK SHADED AREAS ARE, ARE THE THREES, FOURS, AND FIVE AREAS.
SO IF WE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE TOP THREE CATEGORIES AND I THINK THAT'S HOW YOUR TEAM LOOKED AT THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN WAS LOOKING AT THE TOP THREE, UH, CATEGORY AREAS.
I THINK THAT'S HOW, UH, IT WAS PARTIALLY DEVELOPED.
UM, AGAIN, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL.
AND ALSO WHAT MS. HAMMOND BROUGHT UP, THOSE ALL DARK SHADED AREAS ARE, DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME EQUITY SCORE FOR EVERY SUBCOMMITTEE.
SO THAT, THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WITHIN YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE IN MIND.
SO THERE MIGHT BE, SAY THAT AGAIN, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
UH, I MEAN, I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.
SO I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF THIS, I LOVE IT.
I LOVE, I WANT Y'ALL TO DO THIS, BUT WE ARE DOWN HERE IN THE DIRT TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK ON SOME SORT OF PROPOSAL.
SO 30% OF WHAT, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.
IS IT THE FOURS AND FIVES? YEAH.
MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME CLARITY AROUND ALL OF THIS.
I I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT D E I THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT LENSES HERE.
'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL, THEY'RE LOOKING VERY GRANULAR PROJECT BY PROJECT.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
AND SO I, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND, UH, I MEAN YOU MAY HAVE, AND I'LL JUST, YOU MAY, STREETS MIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, LOOKING AT THE GRANULAR LEVEL, THEY MAY HAVE A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF STREET PROJECTS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY, WHICH IS TOTALLY ANTI THIS, THIS MAP.
HOWEVER, YOU MIGHT HAVE FLOOD CONTROL AND LIBRARIES AND POLICE AND FIRE BE HEAVILY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE CITY, WHICH WOULD
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LINK WITH THIS MAP.SO I, I THINK WHAT I, I WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS IS THAT MACRO LOOK WOULD BE KIND OF WHAT THE TASK FORCE WOULD DO BECAUSE THE SUBCOMMITTEES DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THE OTHER COMMITTEES ARE.
THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, IN MY VIEW, THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO, ONCE THEY GIVE US THE PROJECT BASED ON THE GRANULAR D E I SCORING SYSTEM COMES TO US AND THEN WE LOOK AT, OKAY, ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN HAVE STAFF PUT IT ON A MAP LIKE THIS AND SEE HOW IT, HOW IT RINGS OUT AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS FROM THERE.
'CAUSE I I, OTHERWISE IT'S KIND OF THE CHICKEN AND EGG TYPE OF A THING AND, AND WE'RE ALL GONNA GO CRAZY
I WAS TRYING TO HAVE THEM DO THE JOB, BUT YOU TOOK IT, WE'LL DO IT.
SO, BECAUSE I WASN'T TRYING TO HAVE THEM DO THE JOB, I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING CHAR CHARLES SAID BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.
BUT I THINK IN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, THEIR REASONING SHOULD SAY, BECAUSE THIS MAP DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE STREETS IN NORTH DALLAS BEING WORSE THAN THE STREETS IN SOUTHERN DALLAS BECAUSE THIS MAP DOESN'T SPEAK TO THE PARKS BEING A CERTAIN LAND.
YOU KNOW, THIS MAP WASN'T MEANT TO SPEAK TO THAT.
SO I THINK THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THEIR REASONING BASED ON THEIR OWN EQUITY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR ACTUAL DEPARTMENT, NOT BASED ON THIS MAP.
THEY MAY GET 10 POINTS 'CAUSE IT'S IN SOUTHERN DALLAS.
BUT IF THAT'S NOT REALLY WHERE THE NEED IS, WE'RE KIND OF JUST GOING THROUGH A EXERCISE TO SAY WE DID IT AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT.
SO THAT'S WHAT, BUT I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO I HOPE THAT, DID THAT MAKE IT CLEAR ANITA? OR I MADE IT STILL MORE REALLY? NO, I HATE TO SAY IT.
IT, IT ISN'T, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE, WHEN YOU SAY IT'S NOT HERE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE SCORES THAT I HAVE 10 POINTS IN EQUITY RIGHT NOW.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE NUMBERS.
BUT WHEN YOU WANT MY RATIONALE FOR SOMETHING I'M DOING THAT DEVIATES FROM A PURE SCORE SETUP.
IF WE ARE DOING THAT, OR IF WE DECIDE, 'CAUSE TO YOUR POINT, UH, MR. YOUR, YOUR REPRESENTATIVE ON MY COMMITTEE IS VERY GOOD AT POINTING OUT THAT NEEDS INVENTORY IS A HARD THING FOR DISTRICT EIGHT.
'CAUSE THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO WE MAY MAKE DECISIONS THAT DEVIATE FROM PURE SCORE NUMBERS, UM, BASED ON NEED OR HISTORICAL DATA OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT WE DON'T ALL HAVE, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW QUITE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I, I INVITE MY OTHER CHAIRS TO SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS TO COMMENT IF THEY KNOW
THAT, THAT THAT ACTUALLY IS, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THIS DIDN'T QUITE LOOK LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOUGH.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT MAP OR IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY'S WHO, WHO SAID THAT COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, IS STILL ON SEPTIC ON CERTAIN AREAS AND HAS WAY TOO MUCH UNIMPROVED, WHATEVER'S, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO THAT SOFT PIECE AND SAY WE DEVIATED FROM THE NUMBERS AND THIS IS WHY WE'RE GIVING YOU THESE RANKING THAT RANKINGS.
AND THEN I THINK IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PUT ON ANOTHER LAYER OF EQUITY, I'M JUST SUPER WORRIED.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW 30% OF WHAT, AND I THINK THAT'S HIM INTO CHARLES.
'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? WE JUST WANT AN EXPLANATION.
AND THOSE OTHER AREAS THAT COURTNEY, YOU HAD SURE.
I, UH, I THINK I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE 20 POINTS AFFECT ALL OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES EXCEPT FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES.
AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THESE ARE VERY GEOGRAPHICALLY DRIVEN IN REGARDS TO JUST YOUR STATISTICS, WHETHER THAT'S AROUND THE M V A, THE TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.
BUT IF WE LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, CULTURAL ART FACILITIES WHERE YOU CAN HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, WIND SPEAR RIGHT NEXT TO THE MOODY, UM, RIGHT.
BY THE WILEY, BUT ARE TARGETING AND SERVING DIFFERENT GROUPS AND DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.
AND THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO SPEAK TO ME IN TERMS OF HOW THIS GEOGRAPHY FACTORS IN.
SO THAT'S, IT'S THE SAME EVEN WITHIN PUBLIC FACIL OR THE PUBLIC SAFETY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE LOCATION CHOSEN FOR THE TRAINING FACILITY IS BASED ON A PARTNERSHIP, NOT NECESSARILY.
SO THOSE POINTS WOULD, WOULD OUTWEIGH THOSE.
UM, AND FRANKLY, IT'S REALLY KIND OF THE SAME EVEN WITH IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT WHERE THOSE DECISIONS FOR WHERE YOU PUT THOSE PERHAPS SHOULDN'T BE BASED ON THE GEOGRAPHICAL SCORE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND SOMETHING LIKE A DATA CENTER THAT DOESN'T.
SO I NEED HELP UNDERSTANDING THAT, RAISING ISSUES.
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NO, I I JUST ECHO THAT APPRECIATION, RIGHT? BECAUSE WHEN THIS TOOL WAS REALLY ESTABLISHED, IT WAS ESTABLISHED AS A FOUNDATION AND THEN ADDITIONAL LAYERS ON TOP OF THAT TOOL THAT REALLY COUNTS FOR THOSE NUANCES THAT MANY OF YOU SPOKE TO.RIGHT? AND SO I KNOW THE OFFICE OF ARTS AND CULTURE HAS DONE THAT, RIGHT? SO REALLY LOOKED AT THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOOL AND THAT SCORING, BUT THEN ALSO HAVE LAYER ON LIKE ACCESS, UM, AND, AND A FEW OTHER FACTORS TO REALLY GET TO THAT NITTY GRITTY, UH, GREATEST NEED.
UM, BEYOND JUST LOOKING AT THE MAP HERE.
SO DOES THAT MEAN THEN THAT THEIR 20 POINTS ARE SOMEHOW NOT GEOGRAPHICALLY BASED IN THE SAME WAY AS IT IS FOR STREETS OR, OR PARKS, FOR EXAMPLE? AND IF THE ANSWER IS THAT BY THE TIME IT COMES HERE, THEY'VE ALREADY WORKED THAT OUT AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL AND AND WE ACCEPT IT AS IS, THEN I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO BELIEVE YOU.
I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE, IF THE 20 POINTS JUST SEEMS TO BE SO GEOGRAPHICALLY DRIVEN, HOW ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MASSAGING THOSE WHEN IT COMES TO FACILITIES? SO, UM, EXCUSE ME.
SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IS WE'VE WORKED WITH ALL OF OUR, UH, CLIENT DEPARTMENTS, SO FIRE POLICE, OUR CULTURAL ARTS, AND, AND WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND TO ASK THEM WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD A FACILITIES ASSESSMENT DONE IN, IN A VERY LONG TIME.
AND SO WHAT WE'VE REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS FOCUS ON WHAT THOSE DEPARTMENTS PRIORITIES ARE.
AND THEY CERTAINLY KNOW THOSE WELL, BUT MORE THAN WE DO.
AND, UM, AND SO WE'VE WORKED WITH THEM TO ESTABLISH THAT LISTING.
SO WHILE THOSE 10 POINTS ARE, UM, ACROSS ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE SCORED IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY, THE PRIORITY OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE REALLY, ARE KIND OF BAKED IN ANYWAY.
SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THEIR LIST OF, OF THE STATIONS THEY WANT RENOVATED OR, OR NEW STATIONS.
UM, THEY ALSO HAVE A MUCH LONGER LIST OF, OF PROJECTS, WELL, WE WON'T GET TO, BUT WE WORKED WITH THEM TO GO OUT TO THOSE FIRE STATIONS, MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THE REPAIRS THAT THE OLD FACILITY ASSESSMENT ACCOUNTED FOR, WERE STILL THE, UM, WERE STILL, WERE STILL THE ONES THAT WERE THE PREVAILING REPAIRS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE, OR IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDED TO BE ADDED TO IT, THEN WE WOULD ADD TO THAT ESTIMATE AS WELL.
SO IT'S REALLY WORKING WITH OUR CLIENT DEPARTMENTS, IDENTIFYING THEIR PRIORITIES, UM, AND, AND, AND THEN WORKING WITH OUR TECHNICAL SCORES.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST A STRAIGHT TECHNICAL SCORE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND I THINK I, I'LL JUST, UH, MOVE TO NEXT TOPIC WITH ONE, UH, OBSERVATION OR COMMENT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU'LL AGREE, DR.
WILSON, THAT EQUITY CANNOT BE DEFINED BY GEOGRAPHY.
I THINK THAT EQUITY NEEDS IN EVERY DISTRICT, IT JUST, IT'S NOT ON THE CERTAIN PART OF THE CITY.
YOU GO TO DISTRICT 10 AND THERE ARE EQUITY NEEDS AS MUCH AS THERE ARE IN DISTRICT FOUR.
SO THAT, THAT WOULD BE, WITH THESE POINTS, A KEY CONSIDERATION AS WE TRY TO TACKLE THIS VERY IMPORTANT, UH, TOPIC AND BOUND ALLOCATION.
UH, SO WHEN IS IT GONNA COME TO THE BODY FOR SAY THAT WHEN WILL EQUITY, WHEN WILL THE EQUITY COME TO THIS BODY FOR THE, FOR THE CONSIDERATION AND THE DETERMINATION? WELL, RIGHT NOW I THINK THE DISCUSSION IS AGAIN, UH, TO, UH, TALK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEES ABOUT THIS EQUITY DISCUSSION, WHICH CAME FROM, ACTUALLY, IT ORIGINATED, UH, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, OF, UH, THE STREET SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE THOUGHT WE NEED TO BRING IT TO THE SURFACE TO THE BIGGER GROUP.
SO, SO BRINGING THESE TOPICS UP FOR THIS, UH, GROUP TO TALK TO THE SUBCOMMITTEES ON, SO IT'LL COME TO US BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
MS. PAT ASKING THAT BE HERE AND PRESENT.
SO THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS, QUESTION INFORMATION.
SO THEY WILL BE THERE AS WE ARE DELIBERATING ON, UH, DIFFERENT YES, MS. COOPERMAN, THEN, UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL GOING TO THE, JUST IN, WELL, I GUESS IT'S FOR EVERYBODY, BUT TRANSPORTATION IS STILL GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION 10 POINTS FOR THE OVERLAYS THAT WE SEE HERE, AND 10 POINTS FOR POPULATIONS THAT ARE BLACK, HISPANIC, OR NATIVE AMERICAN ABOVE 70%.
UM, THIS COMES FROM, I, THE, THE BOND OFFICE IS WHAT I'M READING FROM, UH, GREATER THAN 15% OF THE FAMILIES THAT ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT BELOW OR BELOW A HUNDRED PERCENT OF FEDERAL POVERTY LEVEL.
THESE FIVE CRITERIA, WE'RE STILL GONNA USE THOSE.
SO THAT IS FOR THE ORIGINAL 10 POINTS, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL, THERE WERE 10 POINTS ON THIS TOO.
SO THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOOL, WHAT YOU JUST READ, THOSE ARE THE, UM, THE CATEGORIES THAT OUTLINE THE EQUITY.
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SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE, DR.PEREZ, WAS THERE AN ADDITIONAL 10 POINTS COMING FROM SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT WAS ONLY 10.
AND SO IT'S 10 POINTS FOR THE EQUITY SCORE, UH, WHETHER IT'S IN A ONE THROUGH FIVE CATEGORY.
THE OTHER 10 POINTS ARE COMING FROM THOSE, UH, FIVE CATEGORIES, THANK YOU, UH, THAT ARE THERE WHERE THE HIGH CRIME AREAS, T O D SITES, MARKET VALUE ANALYSIS, THE 3 0 1 CALLS, AND THE INTERSECTION OR OVERLAYING PROJECTS, THAT, THAT, THAT PAGE RIGHT THERE IS 10 POINTS.
UH, MR. GOLDSTEIN, YOU HAD, WELL, I WAS JUST GONNA ASK THAT MR. D O B HERE, WHEN AFTER SHE'S HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT WHAT THE 30% MEANS AND HELP GUIDE US WHEN WE MAKE THAT HOLISTIC, HAVE THAT HOLISTIC CONVERSATION.
SO, UH, THE GREAT DISCUSSION WITH THAT, WE MOVE TO OUR NEXT, UH, POINT ON AGENT, UH, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND FEEDBACK.
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO A ROBUST, UH, CYCLE OF, UH, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
AND JAN WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE WHAT WE ARE HAVING TO DO.
SO, UH, FOR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, UM, DURING OUR SUMMER TOWN HALLS, WE DID HAVE A, A PRIORITY POLL THAT WE, UM, IT WAS A QR CODE THAT WE PASSED OUT TO EVERYBODY ASKED THEM TO SEND IT TO THEIR FRIENDS.
AND, UH, WE GOT THE RESULTS BACK A, A WEEK OR TWO AGO, AND WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THOSE RESULTS, UM, TO COUNCIL ON OUR AUGUST 16TH BRIEFING.
AND AS SOON AS THAT PUBLISHES, I'LL SEND THAT TO EVERYBODY.
UH, WE DID HAVE OVER 800 PEOPLE, UH, PARTAKE IN THOSE, UH, IN THAT PRIORITY AT, UH, THAT PRIORITY POLL.
AND THAT WAS JUST ASKING PEOPLE, UM, WHERE WOULD YOU RANK STREETS, LOW, MEDIUM, OR HIGH? WHERE WOULD YOU RANK PARKS LOW, MEDIUM, OR HIGH? AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, WITH STREETS, WOULD YOU LOOK AT ARTERIALS, UH, LOCALS OR EVENLY DISTRIBUTED? SO IT'S QUESTIONS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND THEN THE VERY END, IT WAS RANK YOUR TOP FIVE, UH, CATEGORIES.
SO, UM, AGAIN, AS SOON AS THAT PUBLISHES AUGUST 16TH, I'LL SEND THAT OUT TO EVERYBODY FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
UM, SO IN THE ALLOCATION SURVEY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR THE, UH, THE TOWN HALL, UH, THE TASK FORCE AND THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH OUR, UH, OUR DATA AND BUSINESS ANALYTICS GROUP TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT SENT OUT, UH, NEXT MONDAY FOR THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
AND WE CAN WORK WITH OUR COUNCIL OFFICE TO, UH, TO GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THEIR INPUT AS WELL AS WHERE WOULD THEY PUT THE, UH, THE BILLION DOLLARS AMONGST THE CATEGORIES THAT WE WERE SHOWING EARLIER.
UM, WE DID HAVE THE SUMMER TOWN HALLS, AS I MENTIONED.
ONCE THE SUBCOMMITTEES SUBMIT THEIR PROPOSALS TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, WE'LL PUT THOSE ON OUR WEBSITE AND THEN WE WILL BEGIN OUR FALL TOWN HALLS, WHICH WILL FOLLOW OUR BUDGET TOWN HALLS.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF MEETINGS HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS, BUT, UM, BUT WE'LL GET BACK OUT INTO THE COMMUNITIES TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEIR FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSITIONS THAT ARE THE PROPOSED PROPOSITIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
UM, AND THEN WE WILL OBVIOUSLY FORMALIZE THOSE RESPONSES, GET THOSE BACK TO THE TASK FORCE.
AND, UM, IF THEY NEED TO, IF THE TASK FORCE WANTS TO RECONVENE OF THE COMMITTEES, YOU'RE UM, CERTAINLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AT THAT POINT IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CHANGES MADE, UM, UH, FOR THE VARIOUS PROPOSITIONS.
UM, AND THE, SO THE LAST PART OF THE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THAT WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON WAS THE, UH, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND, AND FOR THE TASK FORCE AS WELL FOR THAT MATTER.
BUT, UM, THAT IS BEING A PART OF THIS PROCESS.
UH, WE DO WANNA GET FEEDBACK, YOUR FEEDBACK FROM YOUR COMMUNITY, AND THAT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS WORKING WITH YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER TO IDENTIFY THE PHONE CALLS THAT ARE COMING IN, THE EMAILS THAT THEY ARE GETTING REGARDING YOUR PROPOSITION.
OR IF YOU ARE ACTIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND YOU GO TO, UM, YOU KNOW, MEETINGS FOR DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS OR VARIOUS GROUPS TO, TO START GETTING THE FEEDBACK FOR YOUR, YOUR PROPOSITION, BECAUSE THAT WILL ALSO BE HELPFUL AND FOR ALL OF US IN MAKING THOSE DECISIONS.
UM, SO I WOULD JUST, UH, ASK THE CHAIRS THAT THEY, THEY FORMALLY, UH, REACH OUT TO THEIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND, AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT PROCESS IS, IS GOING ON.
SO I DUNNO IF TO PUT THAT OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, JEN.
THAT FIRST QUESTION FROM MS. YOUNG.
UH, MS. YOUNG, GOOD TO SEE YOU VIRTUALLY OR NOT SEE YOU.
I KNOW WHEN WE HAD THE DISTRICT SEVEN, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM.
WHEN WE HAD THE DISTRICT SEVEN COMMUNITY MEETING, UH, THE QUESTION WAS RAISED A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS JUST WANTING TO KNOW IF THE MEETINGS COULD BE RECORDED BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, THE DISTRICT SEVEN MEETING HAPPENED ON A, THE, THE NIGHT OF THE L COUNCIL MEETING.
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AND SO, LIKE, THE COUNCIL MEMBER COULDN'T BE PRESENT AND OTHER, UH, PERTINENT STAFF MEMBERS WERE NOT THERE FOR THE MEETING.AND SO THE COMMUNITY WAS JUST CONCERNED, LIKE, HOW WOULD THEIR COMMENTS BE RECORDED? HOW WOULD IT BE KNOWN? YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT THEY HAD RAISED UP THAT, THAT THEY WOULD'VE LIKED FOR, UH, SOME OF THE STAFF AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER TO HEAR.
SO, UM, JUST CURIOUS ABOUT WITH FUTURE COMMUNITY MEETINGS, WOULD THOSE BE RECORDED? UM, SO THAT THERE'S A RECORD OF, OF WHAT'S BEEN LIFTED UP IN THE MEETINGS? SO WE'VE STARTED, WE STARTED TO LOOK INTO THAT.
UH, I THINK THE, THE ISSUE IS THAT MOST OF THE PLACES WHERE WE HAVE OUR MEETINGS, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO HAVE, UM, HAVE THE MEETINGS RECORDED TO WHERE YOU CAN HEAR THE FEEDBACK THAT'S COMING, UM, AND THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, SO THAT, THAT'S KIND OF BEEN OUR CHALLENGE, BUT I THINK WE, UH, WE'RE STILL LOOKING INTO THAT.
UM, BUT, BUT IT, IT IS A CHALLENGE.
WELL, IT WOULD ALSO BE HELPFUL IF SOMEONE FROM STAFF MAY BE, COULD, LIKE THERE WAS NO ONE EVEN TAKING NOTES, UM, EXCEPT FOR MYSELF AND I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER MEMBERS FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES FOR DISTRICT SEVEN.
SO EVEN IF THERE, THERE WAS A STAFF MEMBER THAT WAS TAKING NOTES ABOUT WHAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS' QUESTIONS WERE ASKED, THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME COULD BE ANSWERED, SOME COULDN'T.
SO EVEN IF THERE WAS SOMEONE JUST TAKING NOTES, 'CAUSE THAT, THAT, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT NIGHT.
THERE WAS NO ONE EVEN JUST TAKING NOTES OF, TO TRANSCRIBE THE QUESTIONS THEY HAD RAISED.
YES, WE WILL, WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT AT THE MINIMUM.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING LANGUAGE ACCESS.
UH, WHAT ROLE THAT IS GOING TO PLAY IN THE FALL TOWN HALLS AND WHAT, UM, WHAT OUTREACH IS BEING DONE TO OUR COMMUNITIES THAT SPEAK ANOTHER LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH, SPECIFICALLY SPANISH, BUT I KNOW THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT SPEAK.
THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A A A CITY IS AS BEAUTIFUL AND DIVERSE AS DALLAS.
HOW ARE, WHAT, WHAT OUTREACH ARE WE DOING AND HOW, WHAT ROLE DOES LANGUAGE ACCESS PLAY IN THESE TOWN HALL MEETINGS? WILL THERE BE INTERPRETATION? IS THERE GOING TO BE FLYERS? WHAT, WHAT IS THE ROLE? SURE.
SO WE WILL WORK WITH OUR, UH, COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE, UM, PRINTED MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE WOULD BE, UM, IN, AT LEAST IN SPANISH, OR AT LEAST AVAILABLE TO BE IN SPANISH WHEN WE SET UP OUR TOWN HALLS.
WE DO ASK COUNCIL IF, UM, IF AN INTERPRETER IS GONNA BE NEEDED OR IF, UM, ANOTHER LANGUAGE IS GOING TO, UH, NEED TO BE ACCOMMODATED FOR, UH, SO THAT WE DID THAT IN OUR SPRING TOWN HALL OR SUMMER TOWN HALLS.
AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY DO THAT MOVING FORWARD.
MA'AM, YOU CAN, CAN YOU SWITCH ON BECAUSE THANK YOU.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
WE DO HAVE A LANGUAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL, UH, THAT WE'LL WORK ON WITH, WITH THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS COMM, BUT ALSO OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION OVERSEES THAT COMPONENT.
AND, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE FLYERS HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW DO YOU, UH, REQUEST, UH, TRANSLATOR, INTERPRETATION, ET CETERA.
JUST A COUPLE OF DAYS IN ADVANCE WOULD, WOULD BE GOOD NOTICE FOR US.
BUT WE WANNA MAKE THAT COMMITMENT THAT, AND WE'RE USING A LANGUAGE ACCESS MAP ALSO TO, TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THERE ARE LANGUAGES SPOKEN OTHER THAN ENGLISH, OTHER THAN SPANISH, UM, AND, UM, AND WANTING TO RESPOND TO THE, THE DISTINCT NEEDS IN YOUR COMMUNITIES.
SO WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNITY COMMUNICATING CLEARLY WHAT OUR PROTOCOL IS.
ALWAYS PROPAGATING FOR THE LANGUAGE EQUITY.
UH, MS. HAMMOND, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NO, UH, I, I GUESS, AND I'M SURPRISED MR. BRIAN DOESN'T HAVE A COMMENT, SO NO.
I GUESS, UH, WITH THAT, UH, THAT THE, OUR COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION, JAN.
AND NOW WE COME TO NEXT POINT, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE, DELIVERABLES, UH, AND FLOOR IS YOURS, JEN
SO FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, DELIVERABLES, SO, UM, WHAT WE ARE GONNA BE ASKING THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, UM, IS PROPOSITION ALLOCATIONS, UM, AT A MINIMUM WITH THE INCREMENTAL INCREASES OR DECREASES THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, UM, EARLIER IN THE, IN THE MEETING.
UM, AND THE CAP, THE CAPACITY OF THE BOND OFFICE IS, OF THE BOND PROGRAM AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IS GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF OR REPORTED ON BY THE BUDGET OFFICE.
SO THAT'S, UH, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR MULTIPLE SCENARIOS, UH, FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO, TO PROPOSE, UH, TO GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE.
UH, ALSO A PROJECT LISTING, UM, AS MS. COOP SAID, IDENTIFYING WHERE THAT RED LINE IS GONNA BE FOR THE, THE MINIMUM.
UM, AND THE, THE OTHER TWO SCENARIOS THAT WE HAD TALKED
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ABOUT EARLIER, UM, WERE APPLICABLE.I KNOW THAT THERE'S A COUPLE PROPOSITIONS THAT THAT MAY NOT HAVE AN ACTUAL PROJECT LISTING.
UM, WE DID PROVIDE IN THE, UM, IN THE BINDERS THAT WERE GIVEN TO YOU GUYS TONIGHT, THE DELIVERABLE FROM THE 20 FROM THE 2017 BOND PROGRAM.
UM, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY FOR THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE A LOOK AT, SEE IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTING.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING, UM, BEYOND THAT THAT YOU WOULD WANNA SEE AS A DELIVERABLE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES, UM, IF YOU COULD LET US KNOW IN THE, IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, THAT WOULD, I THINK HELP EVERYBODY, UM, AS THEY'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THEIR, THEIR PROPOSITION AND THEIR MATERIAL FOR YOUR USE.
UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST WEEK OR SO IS YOU'RE GUIDING, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEES GUIDING PRINCIPLES, ULTIMATELY THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOR HOW THEY'RE SELECTING THE PROJECTS THAT THEY WILL BE SELECTING.
THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES ARE ALREADY BEING TALKED ABOUT.
IT'S JUST NOT BEING FORMALIZED, I THINK, IN, IN, IN A, A WRITTEN DOWN CAPACITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LIKE, UM, TO BE INCLUDED IN, IN THE, UH, DELIVERABLE THAT IS PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE.
I THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN SHOWING COUNCIL AND AS WELL AS THE TASK FORCE, WHAT THOUGHT PROCESS WAS PUT IN AND HOW THE SELECTIONS FOR THE VARIOUS PROJECTS AND WITHIN THE PROPOSITIONS AND THE CATEGORIES WERE MADE.
UM, SO AGAIN, THE SUBCOMMITTEES, WE, THAT WOULD BE A BIG ASK FOR YOU AND PROBABLY, UM, JUST SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN DOWN, LIKE I SAID.
AND I THINK THOSE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE NOW.
AND AGAIN, THE COMMITTEE BOND TASK FORCE, UH, WOULD BE ASKED TO DO THE SAME THING FOR THEIR ULTIMATE, UM, BOND, UH, PROPOSITION THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE TO COUNCIL AS WELL.
WHAT WERE YOUR GUIDING PRO PRINCIPLES IN TERMS OF, OF PUTTING TOGETHER A BILLION DOLLAR PACKAGE? SO, WITHOUT ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, JENNIFER, WE'RE THE, UH, AFTER GOING THROUGH, THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING BOTH THE PARKS AND THE LIBRARY MASTER PLANS TO ME.
IT WAS, IT WAS INTERESTING READING
UM, MY, MY QUESTION IS, WERE THE SUBCOMMITTEES GIVEN THAT INFORMATION, DO THEY HAVE 'EM AT THE MASTER PLAN? AND, AND I ASKED THAT BECAUSE, UH, THE LIBRARY MASTER PLAN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, UM, WENT THROUGH QUITE AN EFFORT TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
AND AS YOU ALLUDED TO, IT MENTIONS THREE PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THIS BOND ISSUE YET.
THE MASTER PLAN ANTICIPATES FUNDING IN THIS BOND ISSUE.
I, I JUST, USUALLY THEY SINK AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES GOT THAT INFORMATION.
SO THEY KNEW THAT THAT NEEDED TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH WHETHER OR NOT THEY GOT THOSE MASTER PLANS? I, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE.
I CAN CONFIRM THAT, BUT I, I, BECAUSE I, I WILL BE HONEST, IF IF THAT'S NOT BEEN DONE, YOU'VE WASTED ALL THE MONEY SPENT ON THOSE MASTER PLANS MM-HMM.
SO I JUST, I THROW THAT OUT THERE.
'CAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU FOLLOW THE MASTER PLANS.
SO FOR LIBRARIES IN IN PARTICULAR, WE DID HAVE THE, THE LIBRARY STAFF COME AND BRIEF THE COMMITTEE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS GONNA BE, THAT WOULD'VE COVERED PART OF THAT.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, UM, GIVING THEM THE MASTER PLAN IS, IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD PUT ON OUR LIST TO DO.
BUT, UM, BUT THEIR PRESENTATION WAS CERTAINLY BASED ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON.
THE BRIEFING TO COUNCIL THAT WE'VE PROVIDED WAS BASED ON THE MASTER PLAN THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO FINISH OUT AS WELL.
SO, ALTHOUGH, NOT SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT, BUT THAT WAS WHAT THE PRESENTATIONS WERE ABOUT.
AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON DELIVERABLES? OKAY, WITH THAT, WE ARE MOVING ALONG.
AWESOME OVERALL, UH, THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE SCHEDULE? SURE.
SO, UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
UH, TONIGHT'S MEETING ABOUT ALLOCATION AND EQUITY, UM, AUGUST 4TH, UM, THE SUB, THE AL THE SURVEY OR THE POLL THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE HOPING TO CLOSE THAT SO THAT WE CAN THEN, UM, PROVIDE THAT TO, UH, TO BOTH THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE AND, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEES IN EARLY AUGUST.
UH, THE CHAIRS SHOULD START, AND THESE DISCUSSIONS HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY STARTED HAPPENING HAPPENING, BUT JUST IDENTIFYING A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL MEETING.
UH, WE HAVE TWO MEETINGS ON THE SCHEDULE AUGUST 15TH AND AUGUST 22ND.
UM, WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE ALL OF THE, UM, PROPOSITIONS OR PROPOSALS FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE ON THE 22ND.
BUT I, WE FEEL LIKE THAT'S RUSHING THINGS A LITTLE BIT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ADD ONE MORE MEETING ONTO THE SCHEDULE.
UH, SO AUGUST 15TH WILL BE A WORKING MEETING FOR ALL THE, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEES IN THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE AS WELL.
AUGUST, UM, 22ND SHOULD BE A WRAP UP MEETING, FINALIZING THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE
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TALKED ABOUT A SECOND AGO, AS WELL AS PROJECT SELECTION AND THE FUNDING LEVELS.SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT DATE RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE, THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY.
UM, WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE, UH, CHA COUNCIL HALL CHAMBERS, UH, FOR THAT, SO THAT THE, THAT WOULD BE THE FINAL DATE WHERE THE SUBCOMMITTEES WOULD THEN, UH, PROVIDE THEIR PROPOSITION TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE.
AND THEN AUGUST 18TH, A COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE TO PROVIDE THE SUBCOMMITTEE ANY CHANGES, UM, ADDITIONS OR MODIFICATIONS TO THE FINAL DELIVERABLE.
SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THOSE, THOSE BINDERS, THAT'S WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR PRO, UM, THE, UH, THE PROPOSITION THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE PROVIDING TO THE, THE TASK FORCE.
UM, AND IF YOU WANT TO, I CAN GO THROUGH THE, THE OVERALL BOND SCHEDULE AS WELL REAL QUICK AND THEN WE CAN JUST TALK ABOUT GENERAL SCHEDULES.
WELL, UH, SO THE OVERALL BOND SCHEDULE, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS ARE, ARE HAPPENING THROUGH AUGUST.
UH, THE OFFICE OF, UH, THE BUDGET OFFICE BRIEFS COUNSEL ON THE BOND CAPACITY SEPTEMBER 20TH, BOND TOWN HALLS, UM, ARE PUB WHERE THE PUBLIC WILL REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS IS GONNA BE MID-SEPTEMBER TO MID-OCTOBER.
SUBCOMMITTEES CAN, UH, WILL RECONVENE IF THE COMMITTEE BOND TASK FORCE, UH, UM, REQUEST THAT AFTER THE TOWN HALLS TO ADDRESS ANY COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
UM, THAT WOULD BE LATE OCTOBER COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE.
AND, UH, WE WILL PROVIDE THE PROPOSED BOND PROGRAM, UH, LATE, UH, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER.
AND THEY'LL WORK WITH OUR CITY MANAGER TO GET A FINAL PROGRAM THERE.
UM, COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE CHAIR, AND OUR CITY MANAGER WILL PRESENT THE BOND, UH, THE DRAFT BOND PROGRAM TO COUNCIL DECEMBER 6TH.
AND THE CITY COUNCIL VOTES ON THE FINAL BOND PROGRAM AND CALLS FOR AN ELECTION, UH, END OF JANUARY, BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, WHICH NEEDS TO BE 90 DAYS BEFORE A MAY ELECTION.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS.
SO WITH THAT, THOSE ARE THE OVERALL SCHEDULES AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
I HOPE EVERYONE ENJOYED THEIR SUMMER.
NOW, MR. COX? UH, YEAH, MR. CHAIR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, I APPRECIATE FIRM DEADLINES, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF SAYING THE WORK, OUR WORK WILL BE COMPLETED TO THE RECOMMENDATION STAGE BY THE END OF AUGUST, RIGHT? SO, SO THE SUBCOMMITTEES WILL BE PROVIDING YOU GUYS THEIR, THEIR PROPOSITION AT THE END OF AUGUST, AT WHICH POINT WE'LL GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AS SOON AS THOSE PROPOSITIONS ARE ARE GIVEN TO YOU, WE'LL PUT THOSE, POST THEM ON OUR WEBSITE AND WE'LL LET COUNCIL KNOW.
WE'LL START GETTING THAT OUT, UM, SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN GET A LOOK AT WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE.
I, I JUST, I WANNA MAKE SURE, I MEAN, GOING BACK TO THAT, THE EQUITY MAP AND REALIZING THAT THE INFORMATION SUBCOMMITTEES ARE PROVIDING TO THE TASK FORCE, AND NOW IT'S COMING CLEAR ABOUT DON'T LET THAT WAIT TO THE END BECAUSE IT, I CAN SEE IT REAL EASILY WAITING TO THE END.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE A CONVERSATION THAT'S GONNA REQUIRE, UH, QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UH, WE MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT SCHEDULING MORE MEETINGS, AT LEAST AT THE TASKFORCE LEVEL.
AND I'M, I'M, I'M ALMOST ABOUT TO SAY A LOT MORE MEETINGS AT THE TASKFORCE LEVEL TO, UH, TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
UM, I, I THROW THAT OUT THERE.
I JUST, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE, THAT SHOULD NOT BE SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, TAKE AN HOUR TO LOOK AT AND, AND SAY YAY OR NAY, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
AND SO I JUST WOULD SUGGEST WE HAVE MORE MEETINGS.
AND ACTUALLY, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE THIS CAME UP WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE SCHEDULE.
GIVEN THE NEED, THERE MIGHT BE SPECIAL MEETINGS, WHICH MIGHT BE CALLED, AND IT MIGHT BE ON SATURDAY OR DEPENDING, I TOTALLY AGREE.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE JUST SAY, OH, LET JUST, IT'S NOT A CHECK MARK.
IT, IT'S AN IMPORTANT TASK WE ARE COMMITTING.
IF NEEDED, WE WILL CALL FOR SPECIAL MEETINGS AND, AND I REALLY DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND START PRESENTING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS UNTIL WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
MS. HAMMOND, UH, QUICK QUESTION FOR, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR, SINCE YOU ALL ARE HERE.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE PRESENTATIONS FROM LAST BOND AND IN MY OPINION, AND I JUST WANNA ASK IF IT'S HELPFUL FIRST BEFORE I MAKE THE SUGGESTION,
BUT I THINK FRANKLY, I LOOK TO YOU ALL TO GUIDE US.
WE WORK FOR YOU IS KIND OF HOW I SEE IT.
'CAUSE WE'RE SUBCOMMITTEES, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR POINT
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IS YOU ALL TO KIND OF HASH OUT SOME OF THESE LARGER ISSUES.'CAUSE IN MY MIND WE'VE GOT 15 PEOPLE.
WE HAVE A, WE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE BEHIND AND ON THESE SUBCOMMITTEES.
AND FOR THAT PROCESS TO HAVE MEANING AND TO WORK, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.
NOT GIVE YOU FIVE DIFFERENT VERSIONS AND HOPE WE GOT EQUITY RIGHT IN ONE OF 'EM.
AND THEN Y'ALL HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE POINT HERE.
I THINK THE POINT IS WE NEED TO HAVE THIS WORKED OUT.
SO LIKE I SAID, I DON'T SAY THIS BE CRITICAL.
I THINK WE'RE ALL TRYING TO SORT IT OUT.
LAST TIME IT DIDN'T GO SO WELL.
I DON'T THINK SUBCOMMITTEES GOT KIND OF TANKED AT THE END.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU DO HERE, IN OTHER WORDS, AND BY THE WAY, WE'RE TWO THREE MEETINGS FROM THE END WHERE WE ARE.
SO, BUT WHAT YOU DO HERE I THINK IS WHAT WE DESIRE TO GET GUIDANCE FROM YOU AS YOU WOULD A BOSS OR SOMEBODY WHO SETS HIGH RANK A C E R OF CEOS.
TELL US WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE.
TELL US SOME RUBRICS THAT WE CAN GRAB ONTO.
YEAH, WE NEED SOME LEEWAY TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PUSH IT HERE OR THERE, BUT I THINK WE WANT THAT FROM YOU.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT AS A, AS A SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR, I'M LOOKING TO YOU TO TELL ME SOME THINGS AND FRANKLY, PROBABLY QUICKLY.
UM, AND, AND WE CAN'T ALL, IF WE'RE ON THE SAME MEETING SCHEDULE, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
Y'ALL WANNA SIT OUT AND HASH OUT THE 30%, YOU KNOW, GOD BLESS YOU.
TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO.
TELL ME WHAT THE SCENARIOS ARE.
AM I GOING UNDER, OVER WHAT'S MY PEG? I NEED TO KIND OF KNOW THAT.
STANDARD SLIDES, THAT'S FINE TOO.
'CAUSE WE DON'T DESIRE TO JUST FINISH OUR WORK, SHUT THE LIGHT, MAYBE COME BACK FOR A MEETING, HAVE TO DEFEND SOMETHING, TAKE IT TO THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A RUBRIC.
AND COURTNEY, YOU WANT TO CHIME IN SOMETHING WHICH YOU HAD PUT IN MAIL, WHICH WILL BE GOOD FOR THEM TO, OH, AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.
ONCE SHE, AFTER SHE FINISHES, OH, SORRY.
SO, SO THAT BEING SAID,
AND THE SECOND SUGGESTION IS, OR QUESTION TO YOU ALL'S POINT ABOUT THE SPECIAL MEETINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I FEEL LIKE THE COMMITTEES ARE DOING, THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE DOING A LOT OF WORK RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE TO COME TAKE AWAY FROM THEIR WORK TIME TO COME TALK TO US AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING.
LIKE SINCE THEY ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO BE HERE WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE DOING THEIR WORK AND TAKE THEIR TIME LIKE HOUR OUT TO COME PRESENT TO US SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO TALK TO THEIR COMMITTEES ABOUT.
SO I JUST WONDER IF WE COULD FIGURE OUT A SCHEDULE THAT MAKES SENSE FOR MAYBE FOR THEM TO FINISH THEIR MEETINGS AND GET TO A PLACE, GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO, WHAT ANITA WAS SAYING, GIVE THEM WHAT THEY NEED, LET THEM DO THE WORK, THEN COME TO US ONCE THEY'VE DONE THEIR WORK AND NOT HAVE TO SCHEDULE THEIR TIME, COME TO TALK TO US ABOUT SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT EVEN SURE THEY'RE READY TO TALK ABOUT.
SO BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MS. HAMMOND, JANET, IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO SEND A MEMO TO THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS THAT THEIR PRIORITIES, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES WITH A TIGHT TIMELINE AND NEXT BEFORE THE WEEK IS OVER.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, SENT TO THE SUBCOMMITTEES.
SO, SO THEY AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, GET THAT GUIDANCE.
AND COURTNEY HAD A GOOD SUGGESTION, SO I WOULD LOVE FOR HER TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
I HAD JUST THOUGHT THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF EACH DISTRICT IDENTIFIED JUST THEIR TOP TWO PRIORITIES, NOT THEIR WISHLIST, BUT THE TOP TWO THINGS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO WALK AWAY FROM THE PROGRAM SECURING FOR THEIR DISTRICT.
IF YOU EXCLUDE STREETS, WHICH IS AN ISSUE FOR EVERYBODY AND ENDS UP TAKING HALF THE BOND PROGRAM ANYWAY, YOU SELECT THE, YOU KNOW, TWO PROJECTS, YOU DETERMINE WHICH SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD HAVE OWNERSHIP OVER THAT PROJECT AND A DOLLAR AMOUNT.
AND IF WE SUBMITTED THAT, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT WE WOULD END UP AROUND THE 600 MILLION MARK.
AND THAT AT LEAST GIVES US A NUMBER TO WORK BACKWARDS FROM AND ENSURES THAT AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS, YOU, YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE TOP PRIORITY IS FOR EACH PERSON.
AND THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER, SO GIMME A LITTLE PRIVILEGE.
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UM, CHAIR SHADI, I MEANT TO ASK THIS EARLIER.UM, AND, AND THIS ALSO IS A QUESTION FOR THE 2017 BOND, I THINK IT WAS PROPOSITION I, UM, WERE THOSE PROJECTS SPECIFIC OR WAS WERE, WAS THAT 55 MILLION DISCRETION DISCRETIONARY TO THE COUNCILMEN, TO THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS? AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU ALL'S CONVERSATIONS ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? ARE THEY PROJECT SPECIFIC AND OR DISCRETIONARY TO THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS? UH, IN TERMS OF THE 2017 BOND, I THINK IT WAS DISCRETIONARY.
UM, AND THE, THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF WAS TO, TO FOLLOW THAT KIND OF PATH.
AND WE KIND OF BATTED THAT AROUND A LITTLE BIT AND DECIDED POSSIBLY NOT TO GO THE FULL AMOUNT INTO DISCRETIONARY.
AND, UH, THE MAJOR REASON BEHIND THAT IS THAT, UM, A KIND OF SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE FUNDS ARE STILL IN THE BOOKS TODAY ON THE 2017.
SO WE DECIDED MAYBE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW A DIFFERENT PATH.
AND SO STAFF CAME UP WITH KIND OF A, A MENU AND INCLUDED SOME, SOME KIND OF LEGACY PROJECTS, UH, MAYBE SOME ALLOCATIONS BEST ON THE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE EQUITY PIECE, UH, AND MAYBE A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF DISCRETIONARY FUNDS THAT HAS NOW MAYBE MORPHED A LITTLE BIT INTO SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU TOMORROW.
IN FACT, UH, TOMORROW WE, WE HAVE A SPECIALTY CALL MEETING FOR OUR SUBCOMMITTEE.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF TAKE A FRESH LOOK AND AFTER THAT MEETING I WILL HAVE A MUCH BETTER ANSWER FOR YOU ABOUT ECO DEV BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION FROM YOU GUYS AND INFORMATION FROM COUNCIL.
IT'S, IT'S VERY VALUABLE TO US.
UH, THE INFORMATION WE GET HERE, THE INFORMATION I GET FROM ALL OF YOU OFFLINE, UH, IT'S TREMENDOUSLY HELPFUL.
UH, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF GUIDING THAT PROCESS AND THAT FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO YOU BASED ON WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I ASK IS THAT JUST WILL GIVE SOME DIRECTION ON IN MY THOUGHTS OF HOW MUCH ECO DEV SHOULD BE IF KNOWING WHAT ARE YOU ALL SPECIFICALLY DOING WITH THE FUNDS.
SO THE WAY I'M READING THIS, THE, ON AUGUST 29TH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS ARE GOING TO PRESENT THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES, AND THEN IT JUMPS AND IT DISCUSSES THE BOND TOWN HALLS REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO DOES THIS TASK FORCE NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AFTER WE RECEIVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS? AND IF WE DON'T, I MEAN, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO IF IT DOESN'T ADD UP TO A BILLION? SO I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR ON THAT.
SO, SO ONCE THE SUBCOMMITTEES, UM, PROVIDE THEIR, THEIR PROPOSED RECOMMENDATION, NO, THE TASK FORCE WILL TAKE THAT INTO, INTO CONSIDERATION AS YOU DEVELOP THE OVERALL BOND PROGRAM FOR A BILLION DOLLARS.
THIS, SO, BUT WHEN DOES THAT OCCUR BETWEEN, THEY'RE MAKING THIS PRESENTATION AUGUST 29TH AND THEN IT, IT SAYS THAT, SO AFTER THE 29TH, OUR TOWN HALLS WILL BEGIN WAS WE GET COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
'CAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THAT, UM, AVAILABLE AS YOU GUYS, UM, STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER YOUR, YOUR LIST.
UM, AND SO SOMETIME BETWEEN OCTOBER AND DECEMBER WHEN, UM, THE COUNCIL WILL BE BRIEFED WAS, IS WHEN THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE WOULD GET TOGETHER AND, AND PUT TOGETHER THE PROGRAM.
SO DOES THAT ARE, ARE YOU, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DATES.
WE TO ASSUME THAT AUGUST 29TH YOU'RE NOT GONNA PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT EXCEED A BILLION DOLLARS.
YOU WILL HAVE ALREADY BALANCED THAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I, BECAUSE I NO, WE'RE GONNA AHEAD, I'M THINKING NO, BUT I DON'T SEE THE DATE WHEN THE TASK FORCE MEETS TO BALANCE IT.
SO THAT WON'T HAPPEN BY THE 29TH, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE THOSE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
BUT ANYTHING THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES PRESENT, WE WANNA PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE A VOICE IN THAT.
SO YES, IT WILL BE MORE THAN A BILLION DOLLARS IN SOME, IN SOME INSTANCES, BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, GOING OUT TO GETTING FEEDBACK, COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
AND AT THAT POINT OF TIME CODE, MAYBE IF YOUR NUMBERS ARE BIG, AND THAT MIGHT BE THE PRESENTATION TO THE TOWN HALLS TOO, THAT IN THIS YOU WANT TO CUT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CUT? SO THEN IT COMES TO US.
YEAH, I I, I COULD SEE THAT AND I COULD SEE THAT BEING A REALLY HELPFUL DIALOGUE.
I THINK AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE PROVIDE THEM WITH THESE LISTS THAT EXCEED, UM, IF THEY DON'T HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER OR NOT THEIR SACRED COWS GET CUT, WE LEARN TOO LATE IN THE PROCESS WHAT TYPE OF PUBLIC SUPPORT WE ACTUALLY HAVE.
UM, SO I, I I THINK THAT'S VERY, I I, I DO SEE THE POINT AND ASKING THE PUBLIC TO CUT.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE THE TIME, EFFORT, ENERGY, LUXURY TO, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, TO DO.
BUT WE ARE, I DON'T THINK THE PURPOSE IS
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FOR PUBLIC TO CUT.IT'S, UH, UH, UH, THE PURPOSE IS PUBLIC TO PRIORITIZE TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEIR PRIORITIES BASED ON WHAT SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE GIVEN.
AND THEN I THINK THEN THAT HELPS US TO ALLOCATE THE DOLLARS TO THAT.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE, THAT'S THE WAY TOWN HALL WOULD BE, THAT HERE IT IS.
START CUTTING THE PROJECTS HERE.
WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES, MR. COX? YEAH, I I I, I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND I'VE SEEN, I MEAN, WE HAVE THIS BOOK AND I'VE, I'VE LOOKED THROUGH IT QUICKLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I, I'M SURE I CAN BE CONVINCED, BUT THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS IN HERE I DISAGREE WITH.
AND IF, IF THIS BECOMES THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT GO DIRECTLY OVER US TO A TOWN HALL MEETING WHERE, WHERE I WILL BE AT TRYING TO DEFEND SOMETHING, I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, THAT MAKES NO SENSE.
MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS WOULD BE THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO US THAT THE TASK FORCE COMES UP, THEY MESH THAT AND, AND, AND, AND, AND WORK ON IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE EQUITY IS, IS, IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE.
AND THEN GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC WITH THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION, THIS IS WHAT WE SUPPORT AND THIS IS WHY.
AND THEN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC TO, TO DO, TO INSERT THE PUBLIC BETWEEN THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND THE TASK FORCE.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A A, A GOOD METHOD.
IT DOES PROVIDE LITTLE MORE TRANSPARENCY FOR PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT IN TERMS OF, BUT I DO SEE I'M COMPLICATIONS ALL, I'M ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.
BUT I DO SEE COMPLICATIONS ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
THE PROCESS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL MIGHT NOT BE A HUNDRED PERCENT RIGHT AS WELL.
SO IF WE HAVE THAT TRANSPARENCY FOR PUBLIC INPUT FROM WHAT HAS HAPPENED FROM THERE.
BUT I DO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME HOLES IN THE PROCESS THAT HAVE TO BE CUT AT SOME POINT.
AND, AND, AND 'CAUSE WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF INPUT FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT AREAS SURE.
OVER THE SUMMER AND FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE SUBCOMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER TWO MONTHS WORTH OF PUBLIC INPUT AND I'LL TRADE YOU A FIRE STATION FOR A POLICE STATION, ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, IT GETS REALLY COMPLICATED TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT IS, THAT, THAT IS HOLISTIC.
AND YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING INFORMATION AS TO WHY WE MADE THE DECISION ON RECOMMENDING THIS PROJECT VERSUS THAT PROJECT.
AND THAT'S ALL FINE AND DANDY AND IT SOUNDS VERY EDUCATED.
BUT NOW WE'RE STARTING TO GO ALL OVER THE PLACE IS OKAY.
WE'RE, IT GETS TO BE A MISHMASH.
AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE GOING THROUGH A GOOD PROCESS.
UH, AND MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, TO STEP BACK AND HAVE COME TO HERE AND THEN TAKE IT TO PUBLIC AND THEN WE RECONNECT.
AND I WAS JUST GOING TO, TO JUST REMIND, UH, THE GROUP THAT, UH, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ONE ROUND OF PUBLIC, UH, INPUT, WHICH I MEAN, I, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, UH,
UM, AND UH, THE OTHER THING, THE THE OTHER THING TOO IS, UM, JENNY HAD ALSO MENTIONED THAT WE'D BE OPENING UP THE, UH, ADDITIONAL EXERCISE TO THE PUBLIC TO GIVE US THE FEEDBACK ON WHERE THEY WOULD INVEST THE DOLLARS BASED UPON, UH, THE PROPOSITIONS THAT ARE LISTED.
SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE TWO DATA POINTS OF, OF QUANTITATIVE DATA THAT CAN BE SHARED WITH THE TASK FORCE FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DEVELOP SOMETHING MAYBE BEFORE WE GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
AGAIN, JUST, JUST WANNA LAY THAT OUT AS WELL.
BUT MR. PEREZ, WHAT UH, ISSUE, IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH WHAT MR. COX IS SUGGESTING THAT LET SUBCOMMITTEES GIVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR RECOMMENDATION, LET TASK FORCE DELIBERATE ON IT AND LET'S DO TOWN HALLS AFTER THAT AND THEN SUBCOMMITTEE CAN RECONVENE, RECONVENE AGAIN THERE AFTER THAT.
SO IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE MORE CONCISE RATHER THAN BEING CONFUSED.
ACTUALLY, THERE'S A, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEANT, MR. COLE, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND MR. CHAIR, THE, I MEAN, I I WENT TO MY DISTRICT'S YEAH.
MEETING AND UH, AND WHAT, WHAT THE PUBLIC IS BEING ASKED.
'CAUSE THE PUBLIC DOESN'T HAVE THE BE I AM TOTALLY FOR TRANSPARENCY.
BUT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION.
THAT THESE SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE YEAH.
ABOUT ALL THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND TO GO OUT AND JUST ASK ANOTHER GROUP OF OVER AND OVER AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE SHOULD BE TO EACH CATEGORY.
'CAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE ASKED.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE, AND UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, I GUESS IN THE SURVEY YOU COULD SAY, BY THE WAY, GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE THAT HAS THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT WITH 5,000 PAGES OF NEEDS AND, AND MAKE YOUR OWN DECISION.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE THE WAY THAT'S GOING TO WORK.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, HERE'S ONE MORE ATTEMPT TO SAY WHAT PERCENTAGE SHOULD GO TO POLICE, WHAT PERCENTAGE SHOULD GO TO STREETS AND, AND, AND YES, THAT'S NICE TO KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK WHERE WE'RE AT
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RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE HELPFUL TO US.WELL SAID MR. EZ, YOU HAD SOMETHING.
NO, SO, SO LET, LET'S, UH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, I'M, I'M ON THE RECORD BY SUPPORTING MR. COX IN THIS ONE.
YEAH, NO, NO, ACTUALLY IT DOES MAKE SENSE.
SO WE MIGHT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, REWORK THIS AND SEND A MEMO OUT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, AND WHAT I'M HEARING, JENNY, IS THAT I THINK ONCE THE SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE IT, LET THE TASK FORCE DELIBERATE ON IT AND THEN COME UP WITH THAT BILLION DOLLAR RECOMMENDATION AND THEN GO TO A VERY VIGOROUS, UH, UH, PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THEN WE RECONVENE THAT CAME.
SO JIM, BIG THEN JUST TALKING BIG PICTURE, IF WE'RE STILL THINKING ABOUT HAVING THE SUBCOMMITTEE SUBMIT THEIR, UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE END OF, UH, AUGUST, THEN WE WOULD TAKE THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER WITH THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE TO GO BACK AND FORTH.
THEN MAYBE, UM, MID TO LATE OCTOBER THEN I'M JUST TRYING TO YEAH, YEAH.
WE ARE REVERSING THE CALENDAR NOW.
I THINK WE, I CAN PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND REVERS YEAH.
SEND IT OUT FOR, FOR A COMMENT.
YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, AS YOU SAID, I THINK WE ALL WANT THE TRANSPARENCY THAT WOULD'VE GIVEN LITTLE MORE INPUT FROM PUBLIC AT A LITTLE MORE MICRO LEVEL, BUT YOU ARE RIGHT.
I, I THINK WE ARE CONFUSING THEM BY DOING IT.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN APPOINTED TO DO THAT AND GIVE IT TO THEM AND HOPEFULLY SO, UH, AWESOME.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO, OH WOW.
SO, UH, WITH THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FEEL, I THINK WE HAVE DONE REALLY SOME GOOD WORK TODAY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THIS PROCESS.
IT'S GOING TO BE FAST AND FURIOUS.
SO I AGAIN APPRECIATE ALL THE AMAZING WORK YOU ALL ARE DOING, SIRS AND MADAMS AND WE ARE COUNTING ON IT AND WE WILL WORK HARD EQUALLY TO MAKE SURE IT'S A VERY, UH, AND AGAIN, UH, MR. BOONE, AS YOU SAID, I THINK OUR OBJECTIVE IS THAT WHAT YOU TELL US.
WE ADAPT THAT AND WHAT WE SAY COUNCIL ADAPTS, IF WE DO THAT, WE'LL HAVE ONE OF THE BEST PROCESSES WE HAVE EVER HAD IN THIS PROCESS.
SO LET'S JUST STRIVE FOR THAT.
SO WITH THAT, IT'S 7 48 AND WE AT JOHN, I GIVE YOU 10 EXTRA MINUTES AT JOHN OUR MEETING TODAY, AND I THINK THERE'S EXTRA FOOD.
SO FEEL FREE TO TAKE SOME HOME.