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[2024 Bond Program: Allocation Discussion on July 31, 2023.]

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IT'S 6 0 6.

UH, WE CONVENE OUR DALLAS BOND COMMITTEE'S MEETING TO ORDER.

UH, IT'S, UH, WELCOME ALL.

HOPE YOU ALL ARE HAVING A GOOD SUMMER.

IT IS HOT.

AND I HEARD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE JUST CAME FROM COLORADO.

I KNOW IT WAS COOLER THERE.

UH, SO, BUT WELCOME.

BUT I KNOW WE ALL TOOK A BREAK AND NOW COMES THE REAL TIME WHEN THIS DISCUSSION GETS VERY ROBUST.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS EVENING, UH, WITH THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I, WE HAD LOTS OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IN LAST WEEK OR FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, THERE WERE LOTS OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS EVENING'S MEETING, ABOUT THE CONFUSION, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND ALL.

AND THAT'S ONE REASON I THINK THE AGENDA WAS A LITTLE DELAYED WHEN JENSEN, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ROBUST AND WE GET TO THE, GET TO THE LEVELS OF DECISIONS WE NEED TO, TO START MAKING SOME FINAL DECISIONS.

AND WITH THAT, I THINK TODAY WE HAVE OUR TASK FORCE AND ALL OUR COMMITTEE CHAIRS WHO ARE DOING SOME INCREDIBLE WORK.

YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME AMAZING, UH, YOU KNOW, TOOLS OF DIFFERENT, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES, WHICH HAS BEEN EYE-OPENING.

COUPLE OF THEM FOR ME AS WELL WITH THE AREAS I DIDN'T KNOW.

SO I REALLY, THE WORK IS HAPPENING THERE AND I REALLY APPLAUD THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO BRING THAT.

WE HAVE A NEW TASK FORCE MEMBER, COURTNEY, LOVE TO WELCOME HER.

I THINK WE LOOK FORWARD WORKING WITH YOU.

I THINK THE WAY YOU HAVE INTERACTED IN A WEEK OR SO SEEMS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE WILL BE SO BENEFITED WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE LOOKING FORWARD, WORKING WITH YOU, CODY.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

WITH THAT, UH, I THINK OUR FIRST POINT OF AGENDA IS, UH, THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM ALLOCATIONS.

I THINK WE HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THEIR, YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT'S THE TOTAL BOND SIZE, HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ALLOCATED.

THERE WAS SOME INDICATED, UH, NUMBERS WHICH CAME OR SUGGEST WHATEVER THE RIGHT WORD IS FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND TODAY IS, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO TAKE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF HOW, HOW DO WE TAKE THOSE ALLOCATIONS BY THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

BUT THAT, I THINK I HAND OVER TO JEN TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALLOCATIONS AND WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS WE FEEL, AND WE'LL PUT THAT TO DISCUSSION THERE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND JUST, UH, TWO HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS. SO, UM, THIS IS BEING LIVE STREAMED FOR, FOR FOLKS.

SO WE WILL, WE WILL BE ABLE TO WATCH THIS LATER IN THE WEEK ONCE IT GETS POSTED.

AND THEN FOR THE BINDERS THAT WE'VE PUT TOGETHER FOR EVERYBODY, THOSE BINDERS JUST SHOW THE 2017, UM, UH, PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE, WERE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE BY THE SUBCOMMITTEES.

UH, THEY MAY LOOK DIFFERENT.

UH, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE 25 OF THE SAME BINDERS TODAY, SO WE, UM, THEY'RE ALL THE SAME CONTENT THOUGH, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY.

UM, SO WE'LL START THE SLIDESHOW.

IT KIND OF MIMICS OUR, UM, OUR AGENDA.

SO WE'LL START THERE.

UH, TONIGHT WE ARE GONNA GO OVER THE ALLOCATIONS, EQUITY COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, UH, FINAL SUBCOMMITTEE DELIVERABLE, THE SUBCOMMITTEE SCHEDULE, AND THEN, THEN THE OVERALL BOND SCHEDULE.

NEXT SLIDE.

UM, SO THE ALLOCATIONS AS MENTIONED, UM, THAT, THAT IS THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

SO, UM, THE SLIDES ON THE, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW SHOWS, UH, WHAT WAS IT PRESENTED IN THE MEMO FROM A COUPLE MONTHS BACK, UM, WHICH GOES OVER WHAT THE ORIGINAL SCENARIO WAS, EXCUSE ME, THE AVERAGE OF OUR COUNCIL FEEDBACK, THE DEPARTMENTAL REQUEST AND POSSIBLE SCENARIOS.

UM, AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A BILLION DOLLAR BOND, UH, PROGRAM THAT WE'LL HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER.

UM, WE HAVE PROVI, UH, PREPARED A POLL THAT WE ARE GONNA SEND OUT TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE AND THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.

UM, SO WE CAN GET YOUR OPINION AS TO WHERE, UH, YOU WOULD SPEND A BILLION DOLLARS.

AND WE ARE OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERYBODY IN THEIR OWN SUB SUBCOMMITTEE WILL OBVIOUSLY FAVOR, UM, OR I WOULD ASSUME WOULD FAVOR THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT THEY'RE ON.

BUT, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A, A GOOD EXERCISE FOR US TO ALL GO THROUGH SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THE OTHER DOLLARS NEED TO FALL AND WHERE THOSE PRIORITIES ARE OUTSIDE OF, OF WHAT EVERYBODY HERE HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND HAVE PUT A LOT OF WORK AND, UM, HARD WORK INTO.

SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE.

UM, SO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE IS GOING TO ASK OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT THEY PROVIDE VARIOUS FUNDING SCENARIOS FOR THEIR PROPOSITIONS, UH, WE'RE THEY'RE GONNA ASK FOR A LOW AND MEDIUM AND HIGH, UM, PROPOSAL, UH, BASED ON THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE.

AND THESE THREE SCENARIOS WILL BE, UM, USED AS A GUIDE ONCE THE CAPACITY HAS BEEN, UM, PROVIDED BY OUR BUDGET OFFICE.

AND THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT SEPTEMBER 20TH.

AND ARUN, I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, IF THA THANKS, JEN.

I THINK A GOOD, UH,

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ALLOCATIONS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE WOULD BE ACHIEVING.

I KNOW THERE IS A, UH, POSSIBLE SCENARIO NUMBER AND WITHIN THE SUBCOMMITTEES, I WOULD, AGAIN, REQUEST, I THINK, TO KEEP SOME OF THOSE, WHEN WE DISCUSSED INITIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE SIGNATURE PROJECTS WE HAVE WITHIN THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES? HOW ARE WE LEVERAGING OUR DOLLARS TO, UH, TAKE THAT? IF IT'S A BILLION DOLLAR, HOW DO WE LEVERAGE IT TO, UH, WHERE WE USE OTHER RESOURCES? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ARE WE HAVING THE CONTINUITY OF THE GROWTH? UH, WE WON'T, WE ALL KNOW WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE EVERYTHING WE WANT WITHIN THIS BOND PROGRAM.

SO, YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING WHICH WAS THERE IN LAST BOND, WHICH NEEDS TO CONTINUE? AND IS THERE SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE TO ALLOCATE THE ENTIRE AMOUNT, BUT IT CAN CONTINUE IN THE NET NEXT, UH, BOND PROGRAM.

SO I, I THINK IF WE KEEP THOSE IN MIND AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LEADERSHIP, UH, ALWAYS THEY HAVE GIVEN THEIR PRIORITIES IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THREE PS, UH, WHICH IS, UH, UH, POTHOLES OR STREETS, UH, PARKS AND PUBLIC SAFETY.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE PRIORITIES, WE HAVE QUITE A FEW MORE.

SO I WOULD USE THAT AS AN INDICATION.

BUT IF THERE'S A NUMBER WHICH YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, UH, IS HIGHER, YOU, OF COURSE, I THINK I DOUBT ANYONE WILL GO LOWER THAN THAT, BUT YOU'RE WELCOME TO GO LOWER THAN THAT IF YOU FEEL WITH THOSE PRIORITIES THAT HOW DO WE LEVERAGE AND HOW DO WE CREATE THOSE PROJECTS.

SO YEAH, I THINK THAT, AND THAT'LL BE VERY KEY FOR THIS TASK FORCE LATER TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND WE'LL COUNT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES FOR THAT NUMBER.

SORRY.

SO ONCE THE SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PROPOSALS, UH, TO THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, COMMUNITY TOWN, TOWN HALLS WILL BE CONDUCTED TO GATHER, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE, UH, MAY, I'VE SEEN A BUNCH OF TYPOS.

I DID THIS TODAY, SO APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

UM, BUT THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE MAY ASK THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO RECONVENE, UM, TO, TO ADJUST ANY PROPOSITIONS BASED ON THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

SO THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE, UM, ENGAGED THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.

UH, I BELIEVE WE'RE ON SLIDE SIX.

OKAY.

SO THE NEXT, UH, ITEM WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT WAS, WAS EQUITY.

UM, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE S ANY QUESTIONS.

OH, THANK YOU.

YEAH, I, I DO HAVE A, A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, THE ALLOCATION, UH, IN PROVIDING PERCENTAGE ALLOCATION, THAT PARTICULAR LIST BY PROPOSITION, I GUESS, FOR THIS COMING BOND PROPOSITION, WILL THAT BE THE ALLOCATION LIST OR IS IT GONNA BE BASED ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES? NO, SO THAT'S AN INDICATOR LOCATION WITH CITY OFFICE BASED ON THEIR DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBER.

EXPLAIN, BUT NOW SUBCOMMITTEES WILL COME WITH THEIR OWN NUMBER, AND THEN TASK WILL DISCUSS BASED ON THE DATA, WHAT THAT FINAL LOCATION.

OKAY.

WHICH GETS RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNCIL AND OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, THE, THE CONCERN IS, FOR EXAMPLE, CRITICAL FACILITIES, AND WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT IT'S REALLY NOT JUST CRITICAL, IT'S ALL FACILITIES, AND WE START THROWING, UH, ARTS IN THE MIX AND LIBRARIES IN THE MIX AND, AND POLICE AND FIRE IN THE MIX.

IT, IT GETS TO BE, UM, A BIG THING.

AND IT'D BE REAL EASY FOR, UH, I MEAN, A SUBCOMMITTEE CAN SAY, HEY, POLICE AND FIRE ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT.

LET'S HAVE ALL OF IT IN POLICE AND FIRE.

DO YOU THINK THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF SUBDIVIDE IT TO HAVE A MAXIMUM PERCENTAGE FOR SOME OF THOSE SUBCATEGORIES? UH, OR MAYBE DIRECT THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO MAYBE CONSIDER THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS ARE, AND THEN, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YEAH, THOSE THE NORMAL CRITICAL HOW, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME RECOMMENDATION , OKAY? MM-HMM.

CRITICAL , SO, SURE.

SO CRITICAL FACILITIES IS THE, IS THE, UM, SUBCOMMITTEE NAME, CORRECT.

YEAH.

BUT ALL OF THE, UM, THE LINE ITEMS

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THAT YOU SEE THERE, THOSE HAVE, HAVE BEEN THE TRADITIONAL, UH, PROPOSITIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE BONDS.

SO THERE WOULD BE A LIBRARY PROPOSITION, UM, CITY FACILITIES, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL AND THAT KIND OF THING.

YEAH.

SO, UM, SO WE, SO I PUT THAT TOGETHER JUST KIND OF BASED ON HISTORICALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, AND ASSUMING THAT THAT WOULD GO FORWARD.

SO, UM, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THEY WOULD ALL HAVE THEIR OWN PROPOSITION, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CER COULD CERTAINLY BE DISCUSSED.

IT NEEDED TO BE COMBINED.

I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE ABOUT HAVING DIFFERENT PROPOSITIONS FOR EACH DIFFERENT TYPE OF CATEGORY.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IF A, A COMMITTEE MEMBER ON THIS TASK FORCE THOUGHT, HEY, MAYBE 20% IS ENOUGH FOR LIBRARIES.

UH, AND THEN I, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS IT MAY NOT BE OUR JOB TO BE THAT GRANULAR OR I, I, I THROW THAT OUT THERE MM-HMM.

, IT, IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO ME.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS, AND JUST QUICKLY GOING THROUGH THE LIST, UH, MR. CHAIR, I NOTICED THAT THERE, UM, A NUMBER OF NEW, UH, A NEW, UH, REQUESTS, NEW OR EXPANSION REQUESTS, UH, UH, ONE THING THAT THAT IS REALLY, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE, ALL OF THE NEEDS.

THERE ARE A LOT OF NEEDS, A LOT MORE THAN A BILLION.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

UM, MY CONCERN IS THAT, UM, TO ME, TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE GOT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

AND WHEN I SEE NEW AND EXPANSION, I START GOING, OKAY, REALLY WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO DO HERE? WE CAN'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE GOT.

SO, UM, MY, ONE OF MY THOUGHTS IS PERHAPS A DIRECTION IN COMING UP WITH THESE PRIORITIES IS TO HAVE A LITTLE, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT STRONGER CONSIDERATION OF MAINTAINING WHAT WE GOT VERSUS A NEW AN EXPANSION REQUEST.

OKAY.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE REQUEST.

SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS ARE LISTENING AND LET THEM DO WHAT THEY ARE, AND THEN WE WILL DELIBERATE HERE TO SEE IF WE AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, I NOTICED A NUMBER, UH, OF REQUESTS THAT RELATED TO FACILITIES THAT, THAT I KNOW DO NOT HAVE GREAT UTILIZATION.

AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE LOOKING AT, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT IF THERE ARE FACILITIES THAT DON'T HAVE HIGH UTILIZATION, THAT THAT MAY NOT BE ONE THAT YOU HAVE HIGH ON THE LIST REGARDLESS OF THE SCORE.

THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S MY OWN OPINION, MY OWN THOUGHT.

YEAH.

AND SOME GOOD TALKS.

AND THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY WE'LL BRING UP OUR NEXT GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT EQUITY.

SO YEAH, MR. DICKEY, WE'LL GIVE FIVE MORE MINUTES.

AND THEN, YEAH, REAL QUICKLY, I JUST WANTED TO SECOND WHAT CHARLES COX HAS SAID ABOUT PRIORITIES FOR, UM, MAINTAINING THINGS BACK TO BASICS VERSUS NEW.

UH, THE MAYOR MENTIONED THAT IN HIS INAUGURAL ADDRESS, AND THE CITIZENS SPOKE IN THE E T C SURVEY THAT WAS RECENTLY DID, THE NUMBER ONE DISSATISFACTION THEY HAD WAS OUR MAINTENANCE OF BASIC FACILITIES.

SO TO ME, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN IN THAT, AND I SECOND IT.

I, I AGREE THAT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN, UH, TAKING CARE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE KIND OF FALLING APART, WOULD TRUMP NEW THINGS.

NOT TO SAY THERE SHOULD BE NO NEW THINGS, BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD FALL AS WELL.

AWESOME.

SO, UH, REAL QUICK, JUST FOR EVERYBODY ANSWERING QUESTIONS, IF YOU COULD, UM, TALK INTO THE MIC.

SOME OF THE FOLKS LISTENING IN ARE HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THE ANSWERS.

UH, UH, YES.

UH, LINDA, THANK YOU.

UM, CAN WE GET, NOT, NOT TODAY, BUT CAN WE GET THE CAPACITY THAT THE CITY HAS FOR BOND, UH, BOND DEBT INTEREST? SO AT LEAST WE HAVE SOME NUMBER TO WORK BACK FROM.

I, I THINK RIGHT NOW, 1 BILLION IS THE NUMBER, UH, AND THEY STILL ARE FINALIZING LINDA, JEN, OR ROBERT, IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER WE HAVE.

I DON'T THINK THEY'LL FINALIZE THAT NUMBER TILL, UH, SEPTEMBER, END OF SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER 20TH.

SO THERE WON'T BE THREE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

IT'S SCENARIO LIKE AT 1 BILLION, THIS SCENARIO AT 1.2, IN THIS SCENARIO AT 1.3, THE CAPACITY IS 1 BILLION.

THE CAPACITY IS 1 BILLION.

THERE MIGHT BE, I, I WOULD BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AND SHOCKED IF IT GOES OVER 1.1 OR ANY OF THAT.

SO, SO I, I WOULD RIGHT NOW KEEP BASELINE OF 1 BILLION, BUT YOU CAN CREATE THAT ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO OF 1.1, 1.2.

UH, YES, SAM, THANK YOU.

UM, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH.

UH, WHAT TROUBLES ME IS THAT MOST LIKELY THE LOW IS GONNA BE SOMETHING THAT'S ON THERE.

THE MEDIUM IS GONNA BE HIGHER, AND THE HIGH IS GONNA BE HIGHER STILL.

AND WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO A BILLION THAT WAY.

AND, AND IT SEEMS LIKE AN EXERCISE THAT WILL BE, UH, THE RESULTS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO US AND WE WON'T REALLY BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THEM EXCEPT START AGAIN AND DECIDE HOW WE WANNA ALLOCATE.

SO I'M JUST, YEAH, A LITTLE SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE EXERCISE.

YEAH.

SO, AND JOYCE WAS THAT TODAY WE GIVE THAT ALLOCATION, WHICH

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I DON'T THINK, UH, ANYONE WAS READY, THAT THE TASK FORCE TODAY GAVE THE ALLOCATION AFTER DEBATING SAYING, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THIS MUCH AND ALL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A MONOPOLY MONEY ALLOCATION.

SO I THINK THIS AT LEAST WILL GIVE US SOME MORE TIME, AND YOU'LL SEE AS WE PROCEED THAT THERE'S A LOT MORE PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN, WHICH WILL HELP US.

SO I AGREE STILL, I THINK THERE'LL BE A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE, BUT I THINK WITH WHAT IS DONE, WE'LL HAVE OPTIONS TO DISCUSS.

OKAY.

AND THAT, THAT WAS THE REASON OF THIS.

WELL, THANK YOU.

YEAH.

UH, YES, , OBVIOUSLY.

SO, HI.

HI EVERYONE.

UM, I'M GONNA TALK FOR MYSELF, MAYBE SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS.

UM, I THINK WE NEED A NUMBER TO START WITH.

SO I, TO YOUR POINT, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS WOULD BE THE FLOOR.

AND I THINK IF YOU, IF, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE SOMEWHAT ASPIRATIONAL, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GONNA PUSH IT AROUND.

SO IF I JUST GAVE YOU 50 AND SOMEHOW BY SOME MIRACLE I GOT LIKE 80 AND I TOOK SOME OF PARKS MONEY, SAY, THEN YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO GO FROM.

SO I HAVE TO GIVE YOU SOMETHING.

MY THOUGHT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THIS IS THE FLOOR.

AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT A ONE 50 AND A 200, YOU KNOW, JUST TO SAY, IF WE HAD A LOT OF MONEY, THIS IS WHAT WE DO.

BUT I THINK PART OF WHAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH ALLOCATIONS IS HOW WE ORGANIZE IT.

YOU KNOW, SO THERE'LL BE SOME CITY-WIDES PROBABLY GONNA TO WANT TO STAY, I THINK.

AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE SOME ALLOCATIONS PER DISTRICT.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S SOME CONSTRUCT ISSUES.

UM, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST AS A SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR, I THINK WHAT WE LOOK TO YOU TO DO IS TO GIVE US SOMETHING TO START WITH SO THAT WE KNOW THAT MY SCENARIO IS, THIS IS A HUNDRED, AND THEN TELL ME DO WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THERE AS YOUR MEDIUM AND YOUR HIGH, BECAUSE I, I'M NOT GONNA GO TO 500 FOR MY HIGH, THAT'S WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME, INCLUDING MY STAFF WHO HAS TO GO AND SCORE ALL THAT STUFF.

SO I DO THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME GROUNDWORK HERE.

SECONDLY, I WANNA SAY I'M NOT SUPER WILD ABOUT THE SURVEY.

I DON'T EVEN NEED TO TAKE IT.

I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT REALLY MAKES A TON OF SENSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN THE SENSE THAT I DO THINK I CARE WHAT YOU ALL THINK, BUT I ALSO WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU.

HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD ALLOCATE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FROM US YET? SO I THINK IF YOU GIVE US A WAY TO SAY, GIVE ME, USE THIS, JUST CALL IT, I KNOW COUNSEL CAN, YOU KNOW, DO WHATEVER IT WANTS, BUT GIVE ME THREE SCENARIOS CONSTRUCTED THIS WAY.

AND THEN MAYBE Y'ALL THINK ABOUT THAT.

'CAUSE AT LEAST YOU HAVE SOME IDEA WHAT WE'VE GOT TO SAY.

WELL, I THINK SO-AND-SO NEEDS, YOU KNOW, 20% OR SO-AND-SO NEEDS 30.

AND THEN YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALK, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE GRABBING ONTO.

AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE IF YOU'RE DOING THIS SURVEY, JUST SAYING SOME RANDOM, I KNOW YOU'RE ALL VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, BUT I MEAN, IF YOU DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S PIPELINING UP FROM US, IT FEELS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A HARD SURVEY TO ANSWER.

JUST ESOTERICALLY SPEAKING.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON, ON HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH THE ALLOCATION.

AND IT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT AS A SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE THERE.

MY SUBCOMMITTEE HAS ALREADY PUT OUT ITS FIRST VERSION NOW.

IT WAS BASED ON 200.

SO OBVIOUSLY THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME DOWN BASED, THAT'S ONE REASON WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING, WAS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE FOOTHOLD FOR US SO THAT WE DON'T GIVE YOU SOMETHING OVERLY, OVERLY DONE, BUT YET GIVES YOU SOME WIGGLE ROOM BECAUSE IT IS GONNA HAVE CATEGORIES.

SO SOMETIMES THE NUMBERS ARE GONNA FLUCTUATE BECAUSE WE ALL PUT ONE MORE CITYWIDE IN THAN WE DID BEFORE.

DOES THAT, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO MY BIG, MY BIG CHALLENGE IS GIVE ME A, GIVE ME SOMETHING TO BASE IT OFF.

TELL ME HOW LOW, MEDIUM, AND HIGH ARE GONNA BE BASED.

AND THEN MAYBE THINK ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO A SURVEY OR NOT.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DATA FROM US, MR. PEREZ, YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT, UH, ARMFUL CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE AND, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE DID DISCUSS WAS USING THE POSSIBLE SCENARIO YOU SEE IN THE FAR, UH, RIGHT COLUMN AS A STARTING POINT.

UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, FROM THAT POINT, UH, GIVE SCENARIOS OF 25% UNDER 50%, UNDER 25% OVER AND 25 AND 50% OVER, SO THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE.

UH, AND THEN FOUR OTHER SCENARIOS FOR CONSIDERATION.

UM, KEEP IN MIND THAT, THAT THAT POSSIBLE SCENARIO ROW, UH, DOESN'T, UH, INCORPORATE THE CITY MANAGER'S, UH, INPUT AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK.

SO, UM, IF I COULD RECOMMEND A STARTING POINT THAT THAT MIGHT BE IT.

SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT ADDITIONAL CONTEXT.

THANK YOU.

I'VE ALSO SUGGESTED TO JEN, WE MOVE UP COUNCIL INPUT.

I THINK, I THINK PART OF THIS PROCESS IS WAY OUT OF ALIGNMENT IN THE SENSE THAT I'M NOT THROWING THAT ON ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO HEAR COUNCIL'S THEMES AND GOALS AFTER I'M DONE.

YOU KNOW, THAT, IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW.

I THINK I KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR WANTS 'CAUSE HE'S OBVIOUSLY MADE HIMSELF CLEAR AND I KNOW SOME OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AS WELL.

BUT I WOULD, I'VE ENCOURAGED COUNCIL EVEN IN A BRIEFING MEETING TO TRY TO SAY SOMETHING TO US ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE

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THINKING IN TERMS OF THESE GOALS.

'CAUSE BACK TO BASICS, MAN, I DO BETTER IN THAT ONE, YOU KNOW? BUT I MEAN, IT'S HARD, UM, TO KNOW, TO GET THAT AFTER I THINK THIS PROCESS.

AND FRANKLY, Y'ALL'S PROCESS IS PRETTY WELL DONE BY THAT POINT.

YEAH, NO, WE'RE TOTALLY, AND AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK DIFFERENT INTERACTIONS WITH A COUNCIL MEMBER IN TOWN HALLS AND THEY ARE HAPPENING, ANITA, AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO EXTRAPOLATE AND, UH, SEE HOW YOUR COMMITTEE WILL BE DOING THAT ALLOCATION.

I STARTED BY SAYING, YES, YOU HAVE A HARD JOB.

IT'S NOT EASY AND IT WON'T BE EASIER.

AGAIN, WHEN IT COMES HERE AS A, LIKE, I THINK, AND I WANT SOME MORE LINE ITEMS ON THE CHART, CAN I HAVE MY SPECIAL LINE ITEM FOR LIKE ONE THING OR ANOTHER? THAT'S JUST NOT FAIR.

YEAH, NO, YOU CAN, I, I THINK FAIR WHEN YOU PUT LIBRARIES UP THERE, I MEAN, WHO'S GONNA SAY NO TO THAT? NO, ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

IT'S AN INDICATOR.

THIS IS NOT, I THINK FINALLY, AND THERE MIGHT BE THINGS YOU WANT TO ADD OR DELETE THAT THAT'LL COME FROM YOUR RECOMMENDATION, MR. BOONE.

AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT.

YEAH.

WELL, WHEN I LOOK THROUGH THE PROPOSAL, THE 2017 BOND PROPOSAL AND ALL THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, I THOUGHT, WHY, YOU KNOW, I REALLY WAS MORE COMFORTABLE JUST SAYING WE, WE JUST NEED TO LAND ON SOMETHING AND PROPOSE IT.

BECAUSE WHAT WE SAY DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IN THE END ANYWAY.

YOU ALL CAN CHANGE IT.

THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CAN CHANGE IT.

SO WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY WE THINK THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD HAPPEN AND PEOPLE TAKE SHOTS AT IT.

I DON'T, I JUST SEEM LIKE THE EXERCISE OF DOING THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS IS JUST KIND OF A WASTE OF TIME.

AND MR. BOONE, THAT'S THE PROCESS SET BY THE CITY.

EVERY SUBCOMMITTEE HAS 15 MEMBERS FROM EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT AND THE CHAIR, THIS TASK FORCE HAS THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT GET REPLICATED IN HORSESHOE.

SO OBJECTIVE SHOULD BE THAT WHAT YOU RECOMMEND, THIS GROUP CANNOT SAY NO TO IT.

AND WHAT WE DO, COUNCIL CANNOT SAY NO TO IT.

IF WE HAVE, THEN WE HAVE DONE ALL OUR JOBS, UH, CORRECT.

BUT IT MIGHT AS WELL HAPPEN WHAT YOU SAID THAT, YEAH, WHAT YOU DO DOESN'T GET HERE AND FROM HERE GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEY SAY, THIS IS ALL, WE'LL JUST DO SOMETHING ELSE.

GOOD POSSIBILITY.

BUT STILL WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW? YES.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, JUST WANTED TO ADD TO MR. VINCE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE THREE SCENARIOS.

I THINK I AM, I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS, UH, MS. MARGOLIN'S COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THE SUBCOMMITTEES COULD BEST SERVE THE TASK FORCE.

AND I'M NOT SURE SENDING YOU THREE SEPARATE SCENARIOS WILL SERVE YOU BEST.

IN FACT, IT MAY TAKE A, A COMPLICATED PROCESS AND THEN GIVE YOU A COMPLICATED PROCESS.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE SURVEY, I THINK ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE GONNA GET A SURVEY RESULT OUT OF THE, THE VOTE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES, RIGHT? THE, THE GOAL HERE IS TO DIGEST ALL THE INFORMATION, WHICH WE ARE NOT WHERE YOU GUYS ARE.

WE, WE ARE STILL GATHERING INFORMATION.

UH, WE HAVE OUR LAST, UH, MEETING TOMORROW BEFORE WE START DIGESTING.

AND THE SURVEY RESULTS THAT YOU RECEIVE, THE TASK FORCE WILL RECEIVE, WILL BE A VOTE FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON WHERE THESE ALLOCATIONS WILL HAPPEN WITHIN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING AND, AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS.

AND SO YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY GETTING THAT, THAT SURVEY, UH, IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATION.

YEAH.

AND, AND IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE JUST GIVING ONE NUMBER, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE AS WELL.

UM, SO, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

UH, SO SOME, YES.

UM, JUST TWO QUESTIONS.

UM, JENNIFER, UM, THE POLL OR SURVEY THAT'S COMING OUT, WILL IT BE JUST BASED UPON THE SUBCOMMITTEES THEMSELVES OR WILL IT BE PER LINE THAT WE SEE ON THIS? UH, THIS TABLE HERE, IT'D BE BASED ON THE TABLE THAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, ARE YOU ALL, ARE WE TAKING AN AVERAGE OF WHAT THE, UM, TASK FORCE MEMBERS ARE STATING OR WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE, THE RESULTS OF THE, OF THE POLL.

IT'D BE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES AND WE'D PROBABLY PROVIDE YOU THE RAW DATA AND, AND THEN IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT, OTHER, OTHER WAYS AN AVERAGE.

AND IF THERE'S ANY OUTLIERS, YOU KNOW, THROW THOSE OUT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

'CAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS THE LEADERSHIP, WHICH IS LISTENING TO THEIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TOO.

SO I THINK HOPEFULLY THAT SURVEY IS GOING TO INDICATE WHAT THEY ARE HEARING FROM THEIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS TOO.

AWESOME.

I BELIEVE, UH, CHAIR GATES HAS A QUESTION.

SAY THAT AGAIN.

CHAIR GATES IS ON THE, ON THE MEDIA.

I BELIEVE SHE'S TRYING TO YES.

UH, CHAIR GATES.

WHERE CAN WE, HELLO? SORRY.

SORRY, I'M OUTTA TOWN.

COULDN'T BE THERE IN PERSON.

YEAH, NO.

UM, I, I JUST HAD A COMMENT.

UM, I AGREE THAT THE, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER REGARDING THAT WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE WHAT WE HAVEN'T TAKEN CARE OF.

AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN REALLY OBVIOUS, UM, IN THE BRIEFINGS WE'VE HAD SO FAR RELATED TO CRITICAL FACILITIES.

UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ITEMS, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF IN OUR GENERAL FUND AND PARTICULAR, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M

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SEEING THAT THERE'S A PUSH TO TAKE CARE OF THINGS IN THE BOND THAT SHOULD BE BACK AT GENERAL FUND FOR THE CITY.

LIKE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WOULD BE, UM, ALL THE RESURFACING OF THE STREETS, UM, THAT NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE GENERAL FUND AS WELL.

SO I THINK THAT'S, AND THAT'S A MESSAGE FOR THE COUNCIL.

UM, BUT THINGS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE INCORPORATING THINGS IN THE BOND THAT SHOULD BE HAPPENING WITH THE TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR, FOR GENERAL, FOR GENERAL MAINTENANCE.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S BEING TAKEN CARE OF AS WELL.

AND THEN, AND THEN THE SECOND, I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS GONNA BE CHALLENGING, UM, TO, TO LOOK AT THOSE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS TO, UM, UH, TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I THINK THIS, WHERE YOU HAVE THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK, THE COUNCIL FEEDBACK REGARDING THE, THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF ALLOCATION IN EACH CATEGORY OR EACH PROPOSITION, I MEAN, THEY'RE THE ULTIMATELY GONNA BE THE ONES DECIDING THAT.

SO ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE HEARING FROM THEM WHEN THEY'RE BACK, UM, AFTER RECESS IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT AS WELL.

UM, SO WE'RE NOT JUST SPINNING WHEELS CREATING SCENARIOS THAT THEN THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE SUPPORTIVE OF.

UM, I THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED AS WELL.

SO THANK, THANK YOU.

THOSE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

YEAH, NO, THANK YOU MS. GATES.

YEAH, VERY WELL SAID THAT, THAT I THINK, AGAIN, KEEP EYE ON HOW WE MOVE FORWARD AND NOT USE FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES WHILE WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE GOT RATHER THAN, UH, BUILDING NEW, WHICH CANNOT.

YES.

AND VERY QUICKLY, UM, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT MYSELF, BUT I GUESS I WILL A LITTLE BIT.

UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THREE SCENARIOS, ONE BEING THE FLOOR AND TWO BEING HIGHER, UM, ARE NOT GONNA DO US A LOT OF GOOD.

IT WOULD BE, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S 20% LESS, 25% LESS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU JUST HAD TO DO IT, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD DO.

AND TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE SUBJECT MATTER BETTER THAN WE'RE EVER GONNA KNOW IT.

AND SO FOR YOU TO HAND US A 50% OR A HUNDRED PERCENT ABOVE WHAT'S THERE, AND THEN WE'VE GOTTA DO IT LIKE, BASED ON WHAT, SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US THAT KIND OF RANKING.

YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

AND AWESOME.

UH, YES MS. AND TO MS. MARGOLIN'S, UM, COMMENT, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR CAPACITY IS, WHAT YOUR ACTUAL CAPACITY IS, IT'S USUALLY 30% OF YOUR, OF, UH, YOUR GENERAL REVENUE MINUS ALL THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BONDING, THE, THE, THE BOND RATERS IN NEW YORK ARE TELLING YOU THAT YOUR CAPACITY IS, IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT NUMBER, IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US TO GIVE YOU THESE SCENARIOS.

I AGREE WITH YOU, ANNE.

IF YOU DON'T GIVE THEM THEM A LOWER NUMBER TO SEE WHAT THE BARE BONES WOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DOING THEM A DISSERVICE.

WE'RE DOING, WE ARE DOING YOU A DISSERVICE.

UM, I CAN JUST TELL YOU FROM BEING THROUGH TWO, TWO OF THESE ALREADY, TWO BOND ELECTIONS, UM, THAT THE CAPACITY 15 YEARS AGO WAS A BILLION DOLLARS.

SO I REALLY WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMITTEE TO ASK THEM, IS THE BILLION DOLLARS THE CAPACITY? AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, WE'RE GONNA WORK AT IT.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE YOU A LOWER NUMBER THAN SAY, 10% LOWER, WHATEVER.

OKAY.

THE, THE NUMBER OF THE, THE NUMBER THAT THE STAFF HAS SET IS OUR CAPACITY.

AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND WE, YOU KNOW, OUR CAPACITY ENDS UP TO BE MUCH HIGHER NEXT, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS, SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 10% HIGHER.

BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE THE, WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THE CITY IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S HIGH OR LOW, I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

'CAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET AN ACTUAL PERSON THAT ACTUALLY SAYS, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THE C F O TO SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS.

AND YOU'RE VERY RIGHT.

C F O HAS NOT GIVEN THAT NUMBER.

MR. PEREZ, YOU WANT TO ADD TO THIS CAPACITY? I KNOW YOU'VE EXPLAINED IT MUCH BETTER THAN I CAN.

UH, MADAM CHAIR.

SO, UH, AS OF TODAY, IT IS A BILLION DOLLARS.

THE CAPACITY IS A BILLION DOLLARS.

OUR, UH, TAX, OUR CERTIFIED TAX RULES JUST CAME IN THIS MONTH.

UM, AND OUR, UH, FINANCIAL TEAM IS, IS UPDATING THEIR MODELS.

UM, I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TODAY, UH, AS FAR AS ANY ADDITIONAL CAPACITY BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO COUNSEL ABOUT IT.

NUMBER TWO, UM, THERE, THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

AND SO, UM, AS, AS OF TODAY, THE EXERCISE, UH, IS TO ALLOCATE THE, THE BILLION DOLLARS.

UM, BUT AS

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JENNIFER MENTIONED EARLIER, UH, BY, UH, SEPTEMBER, UH, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE THAT AND BE ABLE TO SHARE THAT.

UM, SO BASICALLY AUGUST NEXT MONTH.

UM, SO, BUT, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CAPACITY IS, THIS EXERCISE HAS TO BE DONE.

AND THE REASON IT HAS TO BE DONE IS BECAUSE, UH, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S $2.4 BILLION WORTH OF REQUESTS OUT THERE, AND WE ONLY HAVE A BILLION DOLLARS, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, 1.1 OR 1.2 OR 1.3 BILLION.

SO ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THIS EXERCISE HAS TO BE COMPLETED.

AND, AND I HAVE TO COMPLETELY AGREE OVER HERE AS WELL.

UM, I THINK THAT IF WE CONTINUE JUST TO GO UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EVENTUALLY GONNA HAVE TO CUT ANYWAYS.

MM-HMM.

.

SO, SO THE REQUEST, I THINK IS A VALID REQUEST, UH, FROM THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO ACTUALLY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE TOUGH DECISIONS, UM, WELCOME TO OUR WORLD.

UM, AND SO, UH, AT LEAST THIS WAY, UH, WE DO FEEL THAT THERE'S COMMUNITY INPUT, UH, IN THESE DECISIONS VERSUS JUST STAFF MAKING THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, SO THAT, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST, MA'AM.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

KNOWING THAT OURS, UM, OUR COMMITTEE, IT'S EASY TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THIS SCORING PROCESS, RIGHT? AND SO IF IT'S A BILLION DOLLARS, YOU CUT IT OFF AT A BILLION DOLLARS.

AND IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, YOU, YOU CAN JUST GO DOWN THE LIST, RIGHT? EITHER WAY, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE SAME FOR, FOR EVERY COMMITTEE.

I DON'T, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S NO, YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD TONY .

NO, IT'S NOT.

BUT IN STREETS AND ALLEYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER AND WE ARE GOING TO DRAW A BRIGHT LINE AT A BILLION DOLLARS, AND YOU CAN GO UP AND DOWN ON THAT RELATIVELY EASY AND YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE ISSUE, UM, THAT, THAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYBODY ELSE CAN DO THAT.

AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, HIGH LOW NUMBERS, WHICH WILL BE COMING.

SO LET'S SAY WE ALL CERTAINLY FIND IT'S, UH, $1.2 BILLION AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKS AS X DOLLARS AS LOW NUMBER AND X PLUS 10 AS, UH, MID NUMBER, AND THEN THAT BECOMES X PLUS 10.

SO THERE'S A SCENARIO ALREADY THERE, UH, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S THE TIME WHEN WE FIND THE BOND CAPACITY.

BUT I, I, I, WE, WE JUST WILL HAVE TO START WITH THE BASE NUMBER AND THAT'S A BILLION DOLLARS.

IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT.

I WISH THERE WAS A EXACT NUMBER WE COULD DISCUSS TODAY, MS. COOPER.

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

BUT, BUT I THINK WE'LL JUST HAVE TO START WITH THAT BASE NUMBER.

UH, YEAH, MR. BOONE, AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT, I, I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW YOU, YOU MAKE THAT JUDGMENT OF WHAT THE CAPACITY IS, BUT IS THAT LITERALLY SCIENCE? IF YOU TAKE 20 DIFFERENT PEOPLE, WILL THEY ALL COME UP WITH THE SAME NUMBER? OR MIGHT ONE COME UP WITH A BILLION DOLLARS, ONE COME UP WITH 1.5 BILLION? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE WIGGLE ROOM THERE? IS IT JUST ANY, ANY IDIOT WHO CAN DO THE MATH WILL COME UP WITH THE SAME QUESTION? OR CAN YOU PLAY, YOU KNOW, PLAY LARGE AND GO, GO FOR A HIGHER AMOUNT OR PLAY SMALL AND GO FOR A LOWER AMOUNT? WHAT, WHAT'S SO FOR THE OVERALL BOND CAPACITY, I BELIEVE IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

SO OUR OFFICE OF BUDGET IS, IS TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND LIKE, UM, MR. PEREZ SAID THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE TAX RULES THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WE GOT JUST THIS, THIS MONTH.

UM, I WILL SAY, AS PART OF OUR SUMMER TOWN HALLS, WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE ASKING THE SAME THING.

UM, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE WENT BIGGER? AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO OUR BUDGET OFFICE, AND AS PART OF THEIR BRIEFING, I THINK THEY ARE GONNA LOOK AT WHAT A BIGGER DOLLAR BOND WOULD BE, BUT THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, INCREASING TAXES.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S PALATABLE, BUT, UM, BUT THEY, I DID SAY THAT WE, AND WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE ASK ABOUT THAT, SO THEY ARE GONNA LOOK INTO IT.

BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S AS MUCH AS WE COULD, YOU KNOW, SAY ABOUT IT.

WITH THAT, WE MOVE TO OUR NEXT DISCUSSION ABOUT EQUITY.

DO YOU, UH, JEN, YOU WANT TO TAKE CON AND GIVE THE REASON WHY WE HAVE IT AND WHAT ARE WE DOING? YES, THANK YOU.

AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME FOLKS FROM OUR OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION WHO WE'RE GOING TO, UH, PROVIDE A BRIEF, UH, OVERVIEW OUR EQUITY HERE, THE CITY.

SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO BE DOING THIS THIS EVENING AS DIVISION AND AGENDA THAT YOU HAVE DISCUSSION AND DISCUSSION ON

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INTEGRATION.

SO THAT, AND, AND, AND ONCE AGAIN, I'LL REQUEST YOU TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC BECAUSE I'M GETTING TEXTS, UH, FROM OUR VIRTUAL PARTICIPANTS THAT THEY CAN'T HEAR.

SO PLEASE, PLEASE TRY TO SPEAK INTO THE MIC.

I APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY.

SO, SO JUST TO, UH, TO RECAP THE OVERALL PROCESS THAT WE'VE USED, UH, FOR OUR NEEDS INVENTORY, UH, WE HAVE USED THE OFFICE OF EQUITY INCLUSIONS, UM, UM, SCORING MAP THAT DIVIDED THE CITY IN BETWE, UH, INTO CATEGORIES THAT WERE ONE THROUGH FIVE AND TO, UM, ALLOW FOR 10 POINTS.

WE JUST MULTIPLIED THAT BY TWO.

UH, THE MAP THAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN IS ONE THAT OVERLAYS THE, UM, THAT EQUITY SCORE ALONG WITH THE OVERLAYS THAT ARE, UM, ALSO DESCRIBED ON THE, ON THAT SLIDE.

AND IT DOES INCLUDE SOME D W PROJECTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LINEAR FEATURES AS THEY OVERLAY, OVERLAP THE OVERLAY MAPS.

UM, SO THAT'S JUST A, AGAIN, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

AND THESE 10 POINTS WERE USED IN ORDER TO PRIORITIZE PROJECTS WITHIN PROPOSITIONS WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICTS, AND WITHIN THE CATEGORIES OF THOSE PROPOSITIONS.

UM, AT ONE OF THE, THE LAST STREETS, UH, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ACTUAL FUNDING ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, EQUITY AND WHAT WE WERE DOING TO ADDRESS THAT OR TO ACCOUNT FOR IT.

UH, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, UM, AND HE'S, ID IDENTIFIED A, A 30%, UH, OVERALL BOND GOAL FOR THE, UH, 2024 BOND PROGRAM.

UM, SO WE ARE LOOKING, UH, WE WILL BE LOOKING TO THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEES TO, TO LOOK AT, UM, HOW E EQUITY IS ADDRESSED.

UM, IT COULD BE INCLUSIVE OF THESE POINTS OR IN ADDITION TO, BUT HOW IS THAT BEST ADDRESSED FOR YOUR PROPOSITION? UM, AND THE COMMUNITY BOND TASK FORCE WILL BEGIN DISCUSSIONS, UM, AS WELL AS HOW TO ADDRESS EQUITY FOR THE OVERALL BOND PROGRAM.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PROPOSITIONS OR SOME CATEGORIES WITHIN THE BOND PROGRAM THAT, UM, MAY NOT ALIGN COMPLETELY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE EQUITY GOALS OF 30%, BUT I THINK THE EXPECTATION IS THAT THE OVERALL BOND PROGRAM WOULD, SO, UM, LIBRARIES IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.

THEY'RE FINISHING OUT THEIR MASTER PLAN THAT WAS STARTED IN 20, UH, 2000, AND I THINK THEY HAVE THREE PROJECTS LEFT.

AND SO THOSE THREE PROJECTS, I, I DON'T BELIEVE ARE IN THOSE AREAS, BUT, UM, BUT THEY HAVE WORKED FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS TO FINISH OUT THEIR MASTER PLAN.

AND SO I THINK WE WOULD ALL ENCOURAGE, UM, THAT THEY COMPLETE THAT MASTER PLAN AS THEY START ON THEIR NEXT MASTER PLAN.

UM, AND THOSE WERE THE, UH, THINGS I WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON WHEN IT COMES TO EQUITY.

SO, YEAH.

SO, UM, AT THIS POINT, OPEN AT 10 QUESTIONS.

THE 30 JENNIFER, THE 30% YOU WERE REFERRING TO IS THAT, UH, PER DISTRICT, HOW IS THAT BROKEN, BROKEN DOWN EXACTLY.

SO THOSE, WE'VE, WE WOULD NEED, NEED TO BEGIN THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

I THINK WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UM, IS JUST, IS 30% OF THE OVERALL BOND, GENERALLY SPEAKING.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS INTO THE DETAILS OUTSIDE OF THAT.

RIGHT.

BUT 30% DOES WHAT EXACTLY GOES TO DISTRICTS, GOES TO CENSUS TRACKS, GOES TO ZIP CODES.

OH.

SO MY THOUGHT IS HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE'VE BEEN BASING EVERYTHING ON THE EQUITY MAP THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN USING THE SCORING FOR, AND THAT'S BASED ON CENSUS TRACKS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

CAN I CHIME IN AS WELL? DR.

LINDSAY WILSON, DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

SO ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH THE CITY, AS WE THINK ABOUT EQUITY, UM, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOUR, ANY OTHER RESOURCES ARE WHERE DO WE SEE THE GREATEST NEED? SO WHERE DO WE SEE SOME OF THE LARGEST DISPARITIES IN WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? SO AN INFRASTRUCTURE AND SO FORTH.

AND SO IN LIEU OF TRYING TO THINK OF NECESSARILY ABOUT IT AS DISTRICT, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NEEDS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, HOW ARE WE DEFINING THE, THE GREATEST NEED? AND I THINK A PIECE OF THAT ALSO, UM, UH, INCORPORATES THE TECHNICAL, UH, SCORING AS WELL AS SOME OF JUST THE HISTORIC, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE

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AND EQUITIES THAT WE STILL SEE, UM, HAVING THE LARGEST DISPARITY.

SO THEN I WOULD SAY IN, IN RESPONSE TO THAT, ESPECIALLY HEARING SOME OF OUR, UM, COMMITTEE MEMBERS EARLIER TALK ABOUT TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, RIGHT? UM, YOU HAVE DISTRICTS THAT DON'T EVEN HAVE, THEY CAN'T EVEN QUALIFY FOR THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE, THEREFORE WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHEN WE'RE SAYING 30%, WHAT DOES THAT ACTUALLY MEAN? AND I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE DON'T HAVE THAT DEFINED YET.

THAT'S CORRECT, SIR.

AND, AND WE NEED, WE NEED THE TASK FORCE, UH, HELP WITH THAT AS WELL AS THE SUBCOMMITTEES.

UM, BE BECAUSE, UH, AS JENNY MENTIONED, UH, THIS CONVERSATION CAME UP, UH, DURING A STREET SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSION.

AND, UM, THE, THE WAY THAT THE STREETS INFRASTRUCTURE WAS, UH, UM, UH, DIVIDED WAS 50% WOULD GO TO EACH DISTRICT, AND THEN 50% OF THE FUNDS WOULD GO TO A DISTRICT, TO THE DISTRICTS BASED UPON, UH, CONDITION.

AND THE QUESTION WAS POSED, WELL, HEY, WHAT ABOUT EQUITY? BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, WHO, WHO WE KNOW HAVE A HIGHER EQUITY NEED, UH, WERE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE WHILE DISTRICTS THAT, UH, HAD THE WORST, UH, STREET CONDITIONS WERE UP AT THE HIGHER END.

SO THIS IS, THIS IS THE BEGINNING, UH, OF, WE, WE HAVE THE SCORING BY PROJECT, WE HAVE THAT IF WE WANNA DO THAT, WE COULD DO THAT ALL DAY.

BUT THE QUESTION IS HOW DO WE, I MEAN, HOW DO WE, UM, HOW DO WE INVEST THIS, THIS 30%, UH, ACROSS THE BOND? AND SO THAT'S, AGAIN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR.

SO THAT'S LEFT UP TO, TO THIS BODY TO DECIDE WHAT 30% OR WHAT EQUITY REALLY MEANS IN THIS BOND? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

I MEAN, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP HERE, UM, THE, THE DARKER AREA GRIDS, THOSE ARE GONNA BE YOUR AREAS WITH THE, IF THIS IS JUST THE EQUITY MAP, THESE ARE GONNA BE THE AREAS WITH THE HIGHEST EQUITY NEED.

SO DO 30% ONLY GO INTO THE GRIDS THAT HAVE A SCORE OF FIVE OR 30% GO INTO THE GRIDS THAT HAVE A SCORE OF FOUR OR FIVE.

I THINK JENNY LOOKED AT IT, AND IF WE DID JUST THE FOURS AND FIVES, I THINK THERE WOULD BE A FEW DISTRICTS THAT DIDN'T REALLY GET VERY MUCH.

UM, IF YOU DID THE THREE, FOUR, AND FIVES, I THINK IT SPREADS IT ACROSS EVERY DISTRICT.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN SEEKING IS INPUT, UH, AND GUIDANCE FROM, FROM THIS BODY.

AND COULD THAT BE, UM, COULD, COULD THE EQUITY KIND OF BE A MOVING GOAL? AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

IN DISTRICT EIGHT, YOU STILL HAVE HOMEOWNERS RESIDENTS IN, IN DISTRICT EIGHT THAT ARE STILL ON SEPTIC, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, QUALIFYING FOR THE CONVERSATION OF TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN, CAN'T EVEN DO THAT BECAUSE THERE AREN'T, THERE AREN'T, UH, SEWAGE SYSTEMS IN DISTRICT EIGHT FOR SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTS, RIGHT? SO EQUITY COULD BE PARKS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, A NUMBER, AND THEN IT COULD LOOK DIFFERENT FOR STREETS, BECAUSE AGAIN, IN DISTRICT EIGHT, IT'S A, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A, A, A A DIFFERENCE IN, IN SQUARE MILEAGE OF, OF THE DISTRICTS, RIGHT? AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE, I'M, WELL, I'M THERE, I'M NOT FIGURING OUT, I'M, I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE, RIGHT? UH, THAT, THAT PROBLEM IS VERY COMPLEX TO SOLVE.

CAN I, CAN I CHIME IN JUST SLIGHTLY? THANK YOU.

UM, ABSOLUTELY.

AND SO THAT IS THE FRAMING AS ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, LIZIO PERRA WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, THAT THE CITY LOOKS AT, RIGHT? AND SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EQUITY, IT'S BOTH A PROCESS AND AN OUTCOME.

AND THAT PROCESS PIECE GOES TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT? SO BEFORE WE EVEN MAKE A DECISION TO SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT AND WHO IT'S GOING TO BURDEN, RIGHT? AND I THINK ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDING IS, HEY, IF WE LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, THEN WE MAY BE LEAVING OUT A WHOLE COMMUNITY OR A GROUP THAT'S RIGHT.

OR SO FORTH, RIGHT? UM, SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT HOW WE BAKE EQUITY IN, AND THIS GOES AGAIN, BEYOND JUST A TOOL THAT WE USE, BUT THE THINKING, THE FRAMING THAT WE APPROACH THIS WORK IS WHO HAVE WE ENGAGED? WHAT HAS COMMUNITY SAID THAT WE NEEDED? WHAT IS THE DATA? AND I THINK THAT THIS IS WHAT THAT'S SAYING.

THIS IS THE DISAGGREGATED DATA THAT'S SAYING, HERE'S THE NEED.

BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THOSE DIFFICULT QUESTIONS AROUND THE FRAMING.

WHO ARE WE BENEFITING? WHO ARE WE BURDENING? AND THEN WHAT HAS COMMUNITY SAID? BECAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT NUMBERS ALL DAY, BUT WE ALSO NEED THE QUALITATIVE PIECE OF WHAT COMMUNITY, WHERE THE NEED IS AND WHAT COMMUNITY'S ASKING FOR.

AND THEN THE FINAL PIECE IS HOW ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE RUN SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE WE MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO SEE IF WE HAVE IN FACT, INFUSED EQUITY IN THE PROCESS? AND I'M GONNA MAKE ONE LAST STATEMENT ON IT.

UM, I, I, I HOPE THAT WE DO NOT JUST KIND OF BACK, UH, BACK OURSELVES UP TO A, A DATE THAT WE JUST HAVE TO GET THE EQUITY PIECE DONE.

I HOPE WE HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION ACROSS HIS BODY, UH, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S, IT'S AN OUTCOME HERE.

THANKS.

NO, NO.

, UH, UH, LANE, UH, LANE CONNOR, I

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THINK IS VIRTUALLY JUST, UH, YOU WANT, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT LANE? YES, SIR.

I, I, I, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH, WITH, UH, MR. BRYANT'S, UM, POINT THAT HE MADE AND, AND THE POINTS EARLIER ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, THE, UM, WE NEED TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE VERSUS NEW.

UM, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE AREAS OF THE CITY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE EQUITY PIECE THAT, THAT YOU MIGHT NOT THINK, UH, ARE, ARE HAVE A LOW EQUITY SCORE.

FOR INSTANCE, DISTRICT 12 HAS, HAS THE SECOND LEAST AMOUNT OF PARKS IN, IN THE CITY, BUT IT GETS FRAMED IN THE NORTH DALLAS CONVERSATION.

UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, DISTRICT THREE AND, AND HAS THEIR STREET SCORE IS VERY HIGH, BUT, BUT THEY TYPICALLY SCORE ALSO VERY HIGH ON THE EQUITY PIECE.

AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT IN A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND, AND, AND REALLY TALK ABOUT THE HAVE AND HAVE NOTS IN, IN TERMS OF, YES, I DO AGREE THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, UM, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AT AREAS THAT, THAT, THAT HAVEN'T HAD, UH, HISTORICALLY AS WELL.

AND, AND, AND MR. BRYANT, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

I, I TEXTED ARUN RIGHT AS YOU STARTED TALKING AND YOU MADE, YOU MADE 90% OF MY POINT.

SO THANK YOU.

AWESOME.

GOOD.

WHEN WE TALK SAME LANGUAGE, MS. UH, HAMMOND.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO NUMBER ONE, THANKS ROBERT FOR EXPLAINING THIS MAP.

I KNOW YOU GUYS BROUGHT IT WITH THE INITIAL EQUITY CONVERSATION, BUT I HAVE FORGOT WHAT ALL THE COLORS AND ALL OF THAT MEANT.

UM, OF COURSE MR. BRYANT HIT ON SOME OF MY POINTS AS WELL.

HE DOES THAT LANE.

UM, BUT , THE ONE THING I WILL SAY, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST HAD, UM, CHAIRS THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD IT'S COMING NOW AGAIN, TO WHAT MR. BRYANT WAS SAYING AT THE END.

'CAUSE I'D HATE FOR US TO BACK INTO THIS AND HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ONCE WE'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO, UM, COUNCIL, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO LOOK EXTREMELY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON THE DISTRICT AS FAR AS WHAT IS EQUITY.

SO, UM, 'CAUSE ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WERE, ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT STREETS OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE BOND OVERALL? SO YOU ANSWERED THAT AND THAT'S 30%.

SO IN EACH ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES, EQUITY IN EACH, UM, DEPARTMENT IS, OR AREA IS GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT.

SO I'M GONNA LIKE THROW THAT BACK ON THE CHAIRS OF THE COMMITTEES TOO.

SO WHEN YOU GUYS MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GIVE US SOME, THESE EQUITY SCORES WILL BE BAKED INTO WHY YOU'RE RECOMMENDING WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.

'CAUSE 'CAUSE I THINK THAT WILL MAKE THIS BODY UNDERSTAND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH.

I, I, ANITA, I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY .

SO THE 10 POINTS I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON FROM OUR, FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE 10 POINTS OF EQUITY IS IN THE SCORES ALREADY, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE, WE, SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHEN WE'RE SCORING A PROJECT ON HERE, I'VE GOT TO 10 POINTS ALREADY ON HERE, HOWEVER IT RATED OUT PER YOUR OFFICE, OKAY? SO SOMEBODY GAVE US THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING.

OKAY? NOW, IF I'M, IF THE CONVERSATION IS WE NEED TO GET SOMEWHERE ELSE BASED ON SOME OTHER PRINCIPLE, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.

BECAUSE FOR US, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT.

AND I THINK YOU MAY NEED TO KNOW IT FROM COUNSEL, BUT WE SURE NEED TO KNOW IT FROM YOU BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO GET TO 30% OF SOMETHING, IF ELSE I'M GONNA HAND YOU SOMETHING YOU CAN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING WITH.

'CAUSE IT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HAD EQUITY IN THAT 10 POINTS.

THAT'S WHAT I HEARD WHEN I HEARD THE FIRST BRIEFINGS WE MET MAY 11TH.

THAT, AND LET ME ADD ONTO HER QUESTION SO YOU CAN ANSWER 'EM BOTH.

AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF, IF IT'S NOT THE 10 POINTS THAT SHE SAID IS ADDED ON TO WHATEVER SCORE SHEET THEY HAVE AS CHAIRS, IS THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THEIR SPECIFIC AREAS? UM, AND, AND NOT JUST BASED ON A GENERAL MAP OF WHAT EQUITY IS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THIS, SO EVERY, EVERY PROJECT DOES HAVE AN EQUITY SCORE, UH, EITHER ON A ONE TO FIVE SCALE.

AND SO EACH PROJECT IS GONNA HAVE A SCORE OF 2, 4, 6, 8, OR 10 POINTS.

SO YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, EVERY PROJECT DOES HAVE A SCORE, AN EQUITY SCORE ADDED TO IT.

BUT AS FAR AS BEING, UH, THE DELIBERATE IN HOW WE INVEST THAT 30, 30%, DO WE ENSURE THAT 30%, UH, OF THE $300 MILLION GOES TO PROJECTS THAT HAVE A SCORE OF FIVE OR DOES, DOES THAT $300 MILLION GO TO PROJECTS THAT HAVE A FOUR AND FIVE? AND SO I THINK WE'LL GET THERE.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS BEING DELIBERATE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE NEED THE GUIDANCE AND, AND WE'RE SEEKING GUIDANCE FROM THIS GROUP TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE THE $300 MILLION WENT TO ON A FIVE POINT SCALE AND WENT TO THREE FOURS AND FIVES.

BUT SO, BUT I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING, ROBERT, UH, I'M SORRY, DR.

PEREZ NO, GO AHEAD MAN.

YOU'RE FINE.

.

UM, SO THIS MAP, RIGHT, THE EQUITY MAP, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BASING THE FOURS, FIVES ONES,

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TWOS AND THREES ON, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, YES MA'AM.

SO, BUT IS THAT BASED ON HOW MANY PARKS TO LANE'S POINT AND TO RANDALL'S POINT, LIKE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, I I, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS MAP WAS THAT IT WAS CREATED AS FAR AS EQUITY ON THE CITY AS A WHOLE, AND THE HAVES KIND OF HAVE NOTS TYPE OF SITUATION.

BUT WHEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK VERY DIFFERENT TO LANE'S POINT FOR LIKE DISTRICT 12 MAY HAVE, SHOULD, SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A HIGH EQUITY SCORE AROUND PARKS IF THEY DON'T HAVE MANY.

BUT ON THIS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, RIGHT? SO THAT'S MY QUESTION, IS THIS MAP EQUIVALENT TO WHAT THESE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON? THANK YOU MS. HAMMOND.

AND THIS MAP REPRESENTS HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT EQUITY BASED ON OUR EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TOOL, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF CRITERIA THAT ARE BUILT INTO THAT.

SO THE MAP IS ONLY REFLECTIVE OF THE DATA THAT WE ARE COLLECTING AND, AND ASSESSING.

UM, AND SO THIS MAP IS NOT BASED ON DATA, UM, THAT THE CITY HAS DEVELOPED ITSELF.

IT'S BASED ON OTHER RESOURCES THAT WE GET, LIKE THE US CENSUS, A C P, ET CETERA.

UH, I'D ALSO WANT TO THROW ANOTHER WRENCH INTO THE CONVERSATION, WHICH IS THAT I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE CITY MANAGER YET RELATED TO HIS GOAL.

UH, I THINK IT'S AN, IT'S AN EXCELLENT GOAL TO HAVE, BUT I, I DID WANT TO ACCOUNTANTS THAT, UH, OUR TEAM IS ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT ABOUT EQUITY BEING INTEGRATED INTO THE 70% IN ADDITION TO THE 30%.

SO LOOKING AT EQUITY IN A HOLISTIC MANNER.

SO I, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT THE CITY STAFF IS LOOKING AT EQUITY ONLY FROM A 30% ANGLE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF DR.

WILSON WANTS TO ADD ONTO THAT AT ALL.

NO, I THINK YOU CAPTURED IT.

I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS A PART JUST TO REITERATE, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T WANNA, UM, CARVE OUT 30% BECAUSE IN ACTUALITY WE WOULD STILL BE BURDENING THE LARGE IS COMMUNITIES WITH THE GREATEST DISPARITY.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, THAT AGAIN, THAT'S JUST ONE COMPONENT OF IT, RIGHT? SO LIKE FOR INSTANCE, IF WE LOOK AT 3 1 1 SERVICE REQUESTS, WHO'S MORE LIKELY TO CALL WITHIN THE CITY? AND SO IF WE'RE BAKING THAT END TO A CRITERIA, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THAT AS WELL.

AND SO AGAIN, JUST REFRAMING THE WAYS IN WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEYOND WHAT WE SEE HERE OF THE ALLOCATION OF ONE THROUGH OR TWO THROUGH 10 AND, AND BEING SENSITIVE TO, UH, TO THAT PERSPECTIVE.

UH, I ALSO DO NEED, AND I WANT TO SHARE A COMMENT THAT CAME OUT OF THE STREET SUBCOMMITTEE IS THAT YES, WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE, GIVE EQUITY, UH, A GOOD, UH, WE NEED TO INCORPORATE IT INTO THE BOND.

HOWEVER, WE KNOW TOO THAT IF ALL THE INVESTMENTS GO INTO THOSE DARK SHADED AREAS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH FUNDING.

AND AGAIN, WE NEED EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO BE ON BOARD WITH THIS.

SO YES, TAKE EQUITY UNDER PERSPECTIVE, YES.

UH, SHOOT FOR BEYOND THE 30% GOAL.

AS MENTIONED, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT, I THINK THE DARK SHADED AREAS ARE, ARE THE THREES, FOURS, AND FIVE AREAS.

SO IF WE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THE TOP THREE CATEGORIES AND I THINK THAT'S HOW YOUR TEAM LOOKED AT THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN WAS LOOKING AT THE TOP THREE, UH, CATEGORY AREAS.

I THINK THAT'S HOW, UH, IT WAS PARTIALLY DEVELOPED.

UM, AGAIN, WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

AND ALSO WHAT MS. HAMMOND BROUGHT UP, THOSE ALL DARK SHADED AREAS ARE, DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME EQUITY SCORE FOR EVERY SUBCOMMITTEE.

SO THAT, THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WITHIN YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE IN MIND.

SO THERE MIGHT BE, SAY THAT AGAIN, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES.

UH, I MEAN, I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA.

SO I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK A LOT OF THIS, I LOVE IT.

I LOVE, I WANT Y'ALL TO DO THIS, BUT WE ARE DOWN HERE IN THE DIRT TRYING TO MAKE THIS WORK ON SOME SORT OF PROPOSAL.

SO 30% OF WHAT, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS.

IS IT THE FOURS AND FIVES? YEAH.

MAYBE YOU CAN HELP US, BUT WE JUST NEED SOME CLARITY AROUND ALL OF THIS.

OKAY.

I I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT D E I THROUGH TWO DIFFERENT LENSES HERE.

'CAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE LEVEL, THEY'RE LOOKING VERY GRANULAR PROJECT BY PROJECT.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

MM-HMM.

IS MORE GLOBAL CITYWIDE.

AND SO I, YOU KNOW, TO TRY AND, UH, I MEAN YOU MAY HAVE, AND I'LL JUST, YOU MAY, STREETS MIGHT, FOR EXAMPLE, LOOKING AT THE GRANULAR LEVEL, THEY MAY HAVE A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF STREET PROJECTS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY, WHICH IS TOTALLY ANTI THIS, THIS MAP.

HOWEVER, YOU MIGHT HAVE FLOOD CONTROL AND LIBRARIES AND POLICE AND FIRE BE HEAVILY ON THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE CITY, WHICH WOULD

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LINK WITH THIS MAP.

SO I, I THINK WHAT I, I WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS IS THAT MACRO LOOK WOULD BE KIND OF WHAT THE TASK FORCE WOULD DO BECAUSE THE SUBCOMMITTEES DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THE OTHER COMMITTEES ARE.

THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, IN MY VIEW, THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO, ONCE THEY GIVE US THE PROJECT BASED ON THE GRANULAR D E I SCORING SYSTEM COMES TO US AND THEN WE LOOK AT, OKAY, ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN HAVE STAFF PUT IT ON A MAP LIKE THIS AND SEE HOW IT, HOW IT RINGS OUT AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS FROM THERE.

'CAUSE I I, OTHERWISE IT'S KIND OF THE CHICKEN AND EGG TYPE OF A THING AND, AND WE'RE ALL GONNA GO CRAZY NO, I AGREE.

I WAS TRYING TO HAVE THEM DO THE JOB, BUT YOU TOOK IT, WE'LL DO IT.

SO, BECAUSE I WASN'T TRYING TO HAVE THEM DO THE JOB, I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING CHAR CHARLES