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[ Landmark Commission Meeting on August 7, 2023.]
PRESENT.WHAT'S THAT? COMMISSIONER ANDERSON PRESENT.
OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESSES, WERE GONNA VOTE ON THE MEETINGS FROM OUR LAST MEETING.
AND THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE FROM THE, UM, DOCUMENT SENT OUT TO YOU IN YOUR EMAIL IF EITHER ELAINE OR COMMISSIONER SWAN COULD EXPLAIN THAT THAT PROBLEM THAT WAS FOUND IN THE MINUTES AND IT'S BEEN ALTERED.
JUST, JUST WANT ME TO WELL, WE HAVE TO TELL THEM SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE VOTING TO APPROVE.
SHOULD THEY VOTE TO APPROVE
THE, DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL TO READ BOTH THE, LIKE WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND WHAT IS REPLACING IT? IT'S NOT THAT WOULD BE FINE.
YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T RECORD ACCURATELY WHAT YOU HAD SAID AS YOUR MOTION.
UH, THE, THE, THE MINUTES THAT YOU RECEIVED SAID FOR ITEM SEVEN ON, UH, DISCUSS DISCUSSION ITEM 2 5 0 8 PARK AVENUE, UH, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO EXTEND EXISTING ELEVATOR OVERRUN ON ROOFTOP BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 16 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, UH, THAT EXTERIOR CLADDING OF EXTENSION MATCH THE EXISTING BRICK AND COLOR AND COURSING COMPOSITION MATERIALS MAY VARY.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA IN SECTION THREE A THREE 3.3 A PERTAINING TO ROOFS.
THE STANDARD IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A 0.501 G SIX C ROMAN I FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION AND THE LANGUAGE THAT WE PASSED IN THE MEETING.
AND THE MOTION THAT WE VOTED ON, UH, ITEM SEVEN WAS NO, THAT'S THE MOTION YOU MADE.
THAT WE VOTED ON IN, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT, THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING AND THAT WE ALL HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO EXTEND EXISTING ELEVATOR OVERRUN ON ROOFTOP BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 6 16 20 23, WITH A FINDING OF FACT THAT THE PROPOSED HORIZONTAL METAL SIDING WILL PROVIDE A CLEAR DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW AND WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE STRUCTURE.
SO, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES WITH THE MINUTES THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO BRING UP, OR DOES SOMEONE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM? I HAVE A MOTION.
SECOND, UH, HAS TO DIDN'T FIRST
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OUR, OUR MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
UM, NEXT, UH, OUR COMMISSIONER ACY WILL HAVE SOME MOTIONS TO MAKE REGARDING HOW WE WILL ORDER OUR CASES AS WE HEAR THEM.
FIRST I'M GONNA GO THROUGH AND, UM, UH, READ OUT WHO I HAVE SPEAKERS FORMS, UH, FROM IN PERSON TODAY IS NORMAN ALSTON, JOHN HUTCHINGS, WILLIS WINTERS.
UM, IF YOUR NAME WASN'T CALLED THEN WE NEED, UH, OKAY.
SHE'S GOT YELLOW STREET AND THEN NANCY.
YEAH, BUT SHE'S THE ONE HERE FOR CONSENT, RIGHT? OKAY.
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THANK YOU.UH, FIRST, UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, SOME OF OUR CONSENT ITEMS. SO MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS THREE THROUGH SIX AND EIGHT THROUGH 11.
ONE THING I SOMETIMES FORGET TO ASK, ARE ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON A CONSENT ITEM BECAUSE YOU HAD NEW INFORMATION TO PRESENT, OR YOU'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS? IF YOU'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING 'CAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON 'EM ANYWAY.
IT'S CONSENT TO ITEMS THREE THROUGH SIX AND EIGHT THROUGH 11.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN.
WE ALREADY THE MOVE TO APPROVE COMMISSIONER FELL, SO, OH, OKAY.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOTION, PLEASE SAY, AYE.
ALL THOSE CONSENT ITEMS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AS, AS PRESENTED TO US BY THE STAFF, AND THEN WE HAVE SOME INDIVIDUAL ONES THAT WE MUST DO SEPARATELY BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HAVE TO RECUSE THEMSELVES ON THEM.
SO FIRST, UM, WE'LL TAKE CONSENT.
ITEM ONE, COMMISSIONER GUEST WILL NEED TO STEP OUT, OKAY? OKAY.
I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM ONE SECOND.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER RENO.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER GUESS CAN STEP BACK IN? YES.
I'M SORRY, MISS, YOU APPROVED IT FOR
SO JUST WANTED TO LET HER KNOW WHO SAID THAT IT.
NEXT, WE'LL, UH, TAKE UP CONSENT.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS WILL NEED TO STEP OUT.
YOU STILL HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION.
SAY, MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM TWO, SECOND.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ONLY OPPOSED, THEN THAT ONE IS CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AS WELL.
NEXT, WE'LL DO, ALL RIGHT, NEXT, WE'LL GO ON AHEAD THEN.
ITEM SEVEN, COMMISSIONER, UM, ANDERSON AND CHAIRMAN MONTGOMERY WILL NEED TO STEP OUT.
CHAIRMAN MONTGOMERY WILL ALSO REMAIN OUTSIDE WHILE WE TAKE COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER ONE AFTER THIS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TAKING UP NOW.
YOU WANT ME TO, I COULD SET UP THE REST OF THE AGENDA THAT WAY THEN.
RIGHT? SO WE DON'T VOTE ON MOVING THEM, DO WE? RIGHT.
SO I'LL JUST ANNOUNCE THE AGENDA THEN.
FOR THIS AFTERNOON, WE'RE GONNA START WITH CONSENT ITEM SEVEN, FOLLOWED BY COURTESY REVIEW ONE, FOLLOWED BY DISCUSSION ITEM TWO.
THEN WE WILL GO ON AHEAD AND TAKE DISCUSSION.
BUT I'M TAKING THE PERSON THAT'S
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HERE IN PERSON FIRST.SO DO, DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THE MOTION TO REORDER OUR SCHEDULE IN THAT WAY? SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
NOW MOVE TO DISCUSSION AND THEN THE COURTESY REVIEW.
I HAVE TO REUSE ON BOTH OF THOSE
LET'S GO AHEAD AND START WITH CONSENT ITEM SEVEN.
I'M MARCUS WATSON, REPRESENTING STAFF CONSENT.
ITEM NUMBER SEVEN IS 47 2 7, I'M SORRY, 47 0 2 SWISS AVENUE IN PEAK SUBURBAN EDITION NEIGHBORHOOD.
HISTORIC DISTRICT CA 2 23 DASH 4 7 4 MW.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO ONE TO AMEND CA TWO 12 SLASH 2 32 LC WITH A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN.
AND TWO, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING FENCE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER WHERE THE DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL OF THE PREVIOUS GARAGE WAS ALREADY APPROVED.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT FOR THE FIRST REQUEST, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND CA 2 12 2 SLASH 2 32 LC WITH A REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS SUBMITTED 7 6 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA, SECTIONS 2.3 AND 2.6, AND CITY CODE 51, SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING FENCE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER WHERE THE DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL OF THE PREVIOUS GARAGE WAS APPROVED, BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND MATERIALS SUBMITTED 7 6 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION 2.9, SECTION 2.13, SECTION 2.14 AND SECTION 2.15.
CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.51 G SIX C ROMAN AT ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND THE APPLICANT IS, UH, ONLINE.
ALL RIGHT, TASK FORCE RE, OH, EXCUSE ME.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO AMEND CA TWO 12 DASH 2 3 2 LC FOR A LANDSCAPE PLAN BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING FENCE AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER WHERE THE DEMOLITION AND REMOVAL OF THE PREVIOUS GARAGE WAS APPROVED, BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
WE HAVE, UM, WE'LL GO ON AHEAD AND START WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT, MR. GRABLE.
UM, ELAINE, WILL YOU REMIND ME HOW MANY MINUTES HE HAS TO SPEAK? THREE.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL TIME AT THE END, JUST LET US KNOW.
I I WON'T USE ALL THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS YOU CONTINUE YOUR DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS,
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PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CALL ON ME.UH, MARCUS AND I WERE ABLE TO CONNECT BETWEEN THE STAFF READING BRIEFING, WHICH I LISTENED TO THIS MORNING.
AND NOW, UH, A COUPLE OF CLARIFICATIONS FROM THE DISCUSSION EARLIER.
UH, THERE IS MONDO GRASS IN WHAT, WHAT, WHAT JIM AND SARAH NEXT DOOR CALLED NUFF EAST'S GARDEN.
HOWEVER, IT'S TO THE SIDE OF OUR LOT RATHER THAN IN FRONT.
THIS IS A REQUEST TO, TO EXTEND THAT INTO THE AREA UNDER THE WHITE OAKS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE BETWEEN OUR, OUR, UH, OUR FRONT FENCE AND THE FRONT CURB.
SO, JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
MARCUS HAD A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION ON THAT, WHICH I WANTED TO CLARIFY.
SECOND, UH, THE FEATHERED GRASS.
WE DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE APPROVED IN, IN, UH, PROXIMITY TO THE HOUSE ALREADY.
I DO UNDERSTAND THE VISIBILITY CONCERNS.
I WOULD SAY IT'S BARELY TALLER THAN THE PINK NEWLY THAT'S ALLOWED IN UNDER THE CURRENT CA FROM 2022 TO WRAP AROUND THE FRONT PORCH OF THE HOUSE.
AND IT'S REALLY ONLY SOME, UH, I'M LOOKING AT SOME HERE IN AUSTIN.
IT, IT'S REALLY ONLY SOME TALL FLOWER LIKE APPENDAGES THAT STICK UP WHERE THE BUSHY PART OF THE PLANT IS MUCH, MUCH LOWER.
THAT'S ALSO A PART OUTSIDE THE FENCE THAT SLOPES DOWNWARD FROM WHERE THE HOUSE IS.
I DON'T WANT TO DISTURB THE VIEW.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A, I APPRECIATE IT BEING RAISED AS A TOPIC.
AND OUR TASK FORCE INCLUDES LANDSCAPE EXPERTS WHO LOOKED AT THIS AND THE PRESIDENT OF OUR PEAKS ASSOCIATION WHO ALL VOTED TO APPROVE IT.
SO THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
AND, UH, AND I RESPECTFULLY HOPE YOU WOULD BE AS WELL.
AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANTED TO ADD.
ALRIGHT, I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR THIS TODAY.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I, YEAH.
MR. GRABLE, UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS KIND OF A LEGACY GARDEN, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, NFI IS THE GRANDMOTHER NAME OF HENRIETTA I, WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE ABOUT 80 YEARS, ABOUT 25 OF THAT OVERLAPPING WITH, WITH JIM AND SARAH.
SO THEY GOT TO KNOW HER VERY WELL AND WHAT, WHAT, I HAD NO IDEA WHEN SHE PLANTED IT, BUT IT, IT WASN'T YESTERDAY.
WHAT, UH, WHAT DID, UH, WHAT PLANT MATERIALS DID SHE HAVE IN THE GARDEN WHEN SHE WAS TENDING IT? UH, IT'S STILL REALLY THE SAME.
THERE ARE SOME MID-SIZE SHRUBS, AND THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, TWO HACKBERRY TREES.
I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WHAT SHE HAD THAT IN TERMS OF GRASSES OR, OR FORBES.
UM, IN OTHER WORDS, DID SHE GARDEN FLOWERS OR, OR ANYTHING LIKE, IS IT SHADY? I GOT, I COULDN'T GET A GOOD SENSE OF THAT.
AND IN, IN FACT, I THINK THE SHADE THAT THE HACKBERRY AND THE TALLER SHRUBS PROVIDE WAS, WAS PART OF JIM'S CONCERN WITH IT.
UM, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST FEATURE.
IT'S NOT, DON'T THINK OF IT AS A TRADITIONAL 1906 FLOWER GARDEN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND, AND, UM, I'M A LITTLE BIT CURIOUS ABOUT THE FENCE PLACEMENT.
DOES THAT FENCE PLACEMENT CORRESPOND TO ANY KIND OF SETBACK IN THE ORDINANCE OR ANYTHING? OR WAS IT SIMPLY WHAT WAS WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD UNDER THE ORDINANCE AND, AND, UH, ZONING, PUT THE FENCE ON THE PROPERTY LINE WE AGREED AT, AT JIM AND SARAH'S REQUEST THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO LOCATE, LOCATE IT ABOUT SIX FEET INTO OUR PROPERTY SO THAT WE COULD LEAVE THIS PORTION UNDISTURBED.
OH, NO, I MEAN, IT, IT CERTAINLY, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE OUTSIDE OF ANY PART OF THE ORDINANCE.
IT JUST SEEMED LIKE AN UNUSUAL PLACEMENT, SOMEWHAT DISTANT FROM THE SIDEWALK.
UH, I WOULD'VE EXPECTED IT ACTUALLY BE TO BE CLOSER.
I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER IMMEDIATE CONCERNS.
THE, THE, THE, UH, FEATHER, UH, OH GOSH, WHAT'S IT CALLED? FEATHER FEATHER REED GRASS FEATHER REED GRASS.
UM, NOW THAT'S A CLUMPING GRASS, RIGHT.
AND IS IT CUT DOWN ANNUALLY? IS THAT THE PLAN TO CUT IT DOWN AT THE END OF THE GROWING SEASON OR, YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WE, WE PLANTED THE INITIAL PINK MULEY AND FEATHER REED FROM THE 2022 PLAN LAST YEAR AND CUT IT ALL BACK THIS WINTER, AND THAT WOULD BE OUR PLAN GOING FORWARD AS WELL.
AND WHEN IT'S, UH, IS IT, UH, IT'S A CLUMPING GRASS, BUT ARE THE CLUMPS EXPECTED TO EXPAND, UH, SPREAD TO WHERE THEY MIGHT EVENTUALLY MEET EACH OTHER? NO, I MEAN, IT COULD, THEY'LL SEND OFF, UH, OTHER CHUTES, BUT NO, WE'VE BEEN PULLING THOSE AND PLAN TO CONTINUE DOING SO.
AND WHEN THE PLANT IS MATURE, UM, IT REACHES A MATURE HEIGHT OF THE GROWING SEASON.
HOW HIGH IS THE, HOW HIGH IS THE LEAF PORTION OF THE PLANT? THE, YEAH, THE, THE MAIN GRASS PORTION IS APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET, WHICH IS ALSO WHAT THE PINK MULE GROWS TO.
SO, SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT REALLY THE ONLY THE, THE, UH, FLOWER SEED HEADS EXTEND ABOVE THAT? CORRECT.
AND IS IT, UH, IS THE PROPOSAL THAT THE, UH, FEATHER RE GRASS BE PLANTED ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FENCE? UH, SO WE'VE
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GOT A STRIP OUTSIDE THE FENCE, UH, WHERE WE HAD MET THE EXISTING BACKYARD FENCE.SO WE'VE LEFT, UH, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON OUR ANNEX AVENUE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, UH, SO PROBABLY 10 FEET WIDE IS THE STRIP THERE, AND WE JUST WANNA PLACE THEM, YOU KNOW, PERIODICALLY EVERY SEVERAL FEET IN THAT AREA IS DRAWN IN THE PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
SO YOU'RE, I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, IS IT PROPOSED THAT IT BE SPACE AT REGULAR INTERVALS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT FACING PORTION, PORTION OF THE FENCE? UM, I'M GONNA LOOK AT THE, LIKE, THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD PLACE, SAY THAT THE WAY THAT YOU WOULD PLACE HEDGE PLANTS, FOR EXAMPLE.
YEAH, I, LET ME LOOK AT THE DRAWING AND MARCUS, IF YOU HAVE IT HANDY, THAT'D BE HELPFUL TOO.
BUT I BELIEVE WE JUST PROPOSED THOSE DOWN THE SIDE.
I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO GET AN IMPRESSION OF WHAT KIND OF DENSITY, UH, SPACING, WHAT KIND OF RESULTING DENSITY YOU WOULD GET ACROSS, BECAUSE, UH, WE'RE REALLY, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED WITH VISUAL IMPACT A LITTLE BIT WITH THE MODERNITY OF THE, UH, PLANT MATERIALS CHOICE, WHICH SEEMS A LITTLE BIT, UM, CONTEMPORARY FOR THE, THE HOUSE, BUT YEAH, IT'S A NATIVE PLANT.
UM, AND I DO, I'M LOOKING AT THE DRAWING.
WE DO SHOW THEM OUTSIDE THE FENCE AROUND THE SIDE AND THE FRONT, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR RUNNING THIS STATEMENT THERE.
UM, I, I, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OVERLY MODERN GIVEN THAT IT IS A NATIVE TEXAS PLANT.
AND, UH, AND IF THAT WERE A CONCERN, THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS IS A PLANT THAT THIS COMMISSION ALREADY APPROVED IN THE 2022 CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
I KNOW, YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S PERFECT AND, AND, UH, THINGS CAN, CAN HAPPEN AT ONE POINT AND VERSUS ANOTHER, BUT GIVEN THAT ON THIS EXACT PROPERTY LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD APPROVAL FOR THAT PLANT, I WOULD, I WOULD BE SKEPTICAL OF A, UH, DENIAL AT THIS POINT BASED ON THAT.
ANY ADDITIONAL FURTHER, COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I HAVE NO QUESTION.
UM, MADAM CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF 47 0 2 SWISS, THAT BEING CA 2 2 3 DASH 4 7 4 M W I MOVE THAT WE, UM, APPROVE BOTH ITEMS ONE AND TWO, UH, FOR THE REASONS STATED AND FOR THE PRE PRESERVATION CRITERIA CITED.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
ANY OPPOSED? THIS MOTION CARRIES.
AND WITH THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON CAN RETURN.
WE, UH, WE'LL TAKE UP COURTESY REVIEW NUMBER ONE.
RHONDA, DO YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND OKAY.
I WAS WAITING FOR THEM TO RETURN.
RHONDA DUNN ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 37 50 COTTON BOWL PLAZA IN THE FAIR PARK HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 23 DASH 0 0 5 R D.
THE REQUEST IS, IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW, AND THE REQUEST IS TO EXTEND FRONT, IT SHOULD BE WEST FACADE OF STADIUM FOR CIRCULATION AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PROPOSAL TO EXTEND FRONT WEST FACADE OF STADIUM FOR CIRCULATION AND SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE SUBMITTED FOR FINAL LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE, YOU WANT ME TO DO THE TASK FORCE? OH, YES.
TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION, COURTESY REVIEW, NO FORMAL ACTION TAKEN, COMMENTS ONLY, SUPPORTIVE COMMENT, OR CHANGES BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE NORTH FACADE.
FIRST WE'LL TAKE UP, MR. ALSTON, DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? I DO INDEED.
I'M NORMAN ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA, DALLAS.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE ON, SIR.
IS THE LIGHT ON THERE? IT IS NOW.
OH, I USUALLY DON'T HAVE TROUBLE BEING HEARD, BUT, OKAY.
I'M NORMAN ALSTON, 5 0 6 MONTE VISTA.
I AM, UH, A PRESERVATION ARCHITECT CONSULTANT TO, UH, OVERLAND ARCHITECTS WHO ARE THE LEAD
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DESIGNERS ON THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE COTTON BOWL.I HAVE WITH ME TODAY, JOHN HUTCHINGS, PRINCIPAL AT OVERLAND, THE LEAD DESIGNERS.
WE ALSO HAVE WITH US WILLIS WINTERS.
MANY OF YOU WILL KNOW MR. WINTERS.
HE IS A FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS REC DEPARTMENT, AND, UH, CURRENTLY, UH, CONSULTING WITH J JE DUNN, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT FIRM THAT HAS BEEN RETAINED TO HELP US EXECUTE THIS PROJECT.
THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF LAST MONTH'S COURTESY REVIEW WHERE WE CAME AND TOOK, UH, UH, REC, UH, TOOK COMMENTS, AND ALL FROM THE COMMISSION.
IT'S OUR EFFORT TO ENGAGE THE COMMISSION IN, UH, UH, VETTING THE DETAILS OF THIS VERY LARGE, UH, AND IMPORTANT PROJECT.
DUNN EXPLAINED, IT'S, IT'S ROOTED IN, UH, NEEDS FOR, UH, JUST FUNCTION AND SAFETY, UH, ISSUES THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN, THAT HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM FOR THE COTTON BOWL THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, DOCUMENT BACK INTO THE 1960S.
UH, YOU'VE HAVE, YOU, YOU, THIS, THERE SHOULD BE, WILL THERE BE A PRE, WILL THERE BE SLIDES THAT WERE SUBMITTED WITH, OR DO YOU HAVE THEM? HAVE Y'ALL SEEN THE, WELL, OKAY, THERE'S THAT, BUT THERE WAS A PACKAGE SUBMITTED WITH THE C OF A YES.
IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT IT HERE, THE, UM, THAT, THAT WAS, WHEN THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THERE WAS AN UPDATE IN SOME AREAS WITH THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH.
UH, MY APOLOGIES TO THE, UH, THOSE ONLINE.
I DID, UH, SUBMIT A DRAWING, UH, TODAY AS I CAME IN THAT THOSE WHO ARE PRESENT CAN SEE WITH A FEW OTHER DETAIL UPDATES ON IT, UH, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT NECESSARILY IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS AS WE DEVELOP THIS DESIGN AND WORK WITH Y'ALL AND THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UH, TO COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT WE CAN GET, UH, APPROVED AND PERMITTED.
UH, AND THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS IS SORT OF WHAT'S DRIVING OUR ABBREVIATED SCHEDULE, WHICH, UH, WE NEED TO TRY TO GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN NOVEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
AND SO WE'RE KIND OF UP AGAINST IT HERE.
THE PACKAGE YOU'VE SEEN, UH, DOES DETAIL THE, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COTTON BOWL OVER THE YEARS.
WE ARE, WE ARE, UH, FOCUSED ON THE 19 48, 19 49 ADDITIONS THAT WERE DONE.
UH, WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE HOUSE THAT DO BUILT, THAT WERE DONE IN RESPONSE TO THE LARGE CROWDS THAT WERE COMING OUT TO THE COTTON BOWL, TO WATCH OAK WALKER PLAY FOR S M U.
THAT GAVE US PRETTY MUCH THE THIRD DIMENSION LOOK OF THE COTTON BOWL THAT WE'VE ALL KNOWN SINCE THAT TIME.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE BEING RESPONSIVE TO IN THE DESIGN.
UM, AS WE NOTED, THE INTENTION HERE IN A BRIEF SUMMARY, UM, IS THE, THE, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP LEFT PHOTO ON THE SCREEN THERE, THAT WAS THE 1948 APPEARANCE.
UH, GIVE MR. ALSTON TWO MORE MINUTES.
CAN I GET A SECOND? SECOND? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE.
I'M JUST NO GOOD WITH TIME TIMEFRAMES.
UH, BUT BRIEFLY, THAT'S WHAT IT, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE IN 1992.
THE CENTRAL PORTION THAT YOU CAN SEE WAS MOVED OUT ABOUT 20 FEET TO CREATE NEW, UH, SPACES BEHIND THERE.
THEY ESSENTIALLY REPLICATED THE ORIGINAL FACADE, MAINTAINING THE ORIGINAL FACADE ON THE INSIDE PLACES WHERE THERE ARE PLACES YOU CAN STILL SEE IT.
UH, THE SIDEWALLS WERE NOT, UH, UH, TOUCHED AT THAT TIME.
OUR PROPOSAL, AS YOU WILL SEE, IS TO TAKE THE SIDEWALLS AND MOVE THEM OUT TO REESTABLISH THE, UM, UH, RELATION, THE ORIGINAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL TALL CENTER FACADE AND THE, THE WING FACADES AS THEY WERE.
THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITIES YOU SEE HERE, WHERE THE, UH, YELLOW, WELL, OKAY.
UH, ANYWAY, IT, IT ALLOWS US TO ENLARGE THE CONCOURSES SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, AND, AND GET MUCH GREATER, UH, MOVEMENT AND, UH, SAFETY FOR THE OCCUPANTS OF A COTTON BOWL.
UM, IN DOING THAT, WE, UH, YEAH, IF YOU COULD STOP THERE, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD VIEW.
UH, IN DOING THAT, WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, UH, BEEN USED INSPIRATION FROM THE ORIGINAL, UH, 1948 FACADE, HAVE LOWERED IT TO HELP DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM THE ORIGINAL CONDITION AND MOVED IT OUT AND KEPT IT AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE.
WITH THE IDEA OF BEING THAT THE 48TH FACADE IS STILL BACK THERE, STILL READILY VISIBLE FROM ALL PERSPECTIVES.
I THINK WE'RE ABLE, FOR THOSE WHO COULD ATTEND THE SITE VISIT LAST WEEK, UH, I THINK YOU COULD SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.
UM, AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE CONCEPT.
NOW, THE, THE DRAWING THAT I HANDED OUT TODAY HAS TWO
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MODIFICATIONS TO IT.ONE IS WE RECOGNIZE THE, THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE STAIRS THAT WERE AT, THAT IN THE CENTER OF THE MOVED WALL, WHERE WE SHOW, UH, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES GOING TO THE GROUND.
THE DRAWING YOU HAVE SHOWS A NEW, THAT'S YOUR TIME, SIR.
WELL, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO GIVE HIM ONE MORE MINUTE.
THE DRAWING YOU HAVE ADDS TWO THINGS.
ONE IS, THERE'S, THERE IS NOW AN ENTRANCE TO THE STADIUM AT THAT LOCATION.
THERE IS NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO RECREATE THESE STAIRS THAT WERE THERE, UH, TRADITIONALLY, UH, BECAUSE, UH, THE DRAWING WILL ALSO SHOW THAT THERE'S OTHER EQUIPMENT AND THINGS THAT HAPPEN THERE THAT JUST DON'T LET US BRING, BRING, UH, FIX THINGS OUT THAT FAR, MUCH FARTHER.
THE OTHER ITEM YOU'LL SEE IS ON THE VERY TOP DECK OF THE, UH, OF THAT, THE, THE ADDITION WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING A METAL FRAME, A LIGHT METAL FRAMED TRANSLUCENT CANOPY TO PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR THE OCCUPANTS AND FOR CONCESSIONAIRES WHO ARE AT THAT LEVEL.
AND AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS, CONCERNS, QUESTIONS ON, UH, ON THAT, DESI, ON THAT DESIGN.
WHY DON'T WE, WE HAVE, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.
DO THE TWO OF YOU INTEND TO SPEAK OR ARE YOU JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS, MR. HUTCHINGS AND MR. WINTERS? THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO TRY TO GET ME OUT OF TROUBLE.
SO WITH THAT, WE'LL GO ON AHEAD AND WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS, UM, AS, UH, UH, OUR, PER OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES, EACH, UH, COMMISSIONER HAS IT'S FIVE MINUTES, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? HAS FIVE MINUTES TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, EVERYBODY WILL GO THROUGH, UM, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ONCE BEFORE SPEAKING A SECOND TIME.
UM, ELAINE, WILL YOU BE TIMING THEM OR DO YOU NEED ME TO WILL? OKAY, GREAT.
WHO WANTS TO START OFF WITH THE FIRST QUESTION? I GOT A, I'LL START.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, UH, THE RAILING THAT I SEE AT THE TOP OF THE TALL FACADE IS THAT, UH, CLEAR GLASS RAILING, UH, AT THE TOP OF THE CLASS PANEL RAILING AT THE TOP OF THE, UM, RIGHT ON THE, ON EACH SIDE OF THE TALL FACADE, UH, THE, THE TALLER ONE.
SO IT'S, SO IT'S THE FACADE, THE ORIGINAL FACADE, YEAH, THE ORIGINAL THAT'S PUSHED OUT MM-HMM.
UM, THAT'S, WELL, THAT'S, OR IS THAT MECHANICAL SCREENING? WHAT IS THAT? I'M NOT SURE.
IT'S NOT SHOWING UP ON THIS DRAWING THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THAT.
SO I GUESS IT SHOWS UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT ONE.
AND ON YOUR NEW ONE THAT YOU GAVE US, THERE'S, NOW THERE'S STANCHIONS, AND SO IT'S ALMOST LOOKING LIKE IT'S EITHER A MECHANICAL SCREEN OR IT'S A POSSIBLE A RAILING.
SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THAT WAS, I ACTUALLY GAVE YOU ALL MY DRAWINGS.
IS THERE ONE COPY OF THE DRAWING I HANDED OUT AVAILABLE? SO I CAN LOOK AT THE SAME THING? I'M, I APOLOGIZE.
COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU SPEAKING OF THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE? YEAH, FAR.
WELL, THE RIGHT AND LEFT OF, OF WHERE THE, WELL, YES.
THOSE, BUT THOSE ARE IN THE, THE METAL STAND, THE BOWL, THE ADDITIONS, THOSE ARE EXISTING.
UM, THOSE ARE, I THINK, METAL RAIL.
I KNOW THEY'RE METAL RAILINGS.
AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE EXISTING AND THEY'RE, AND WHEN YOU EXTEND IT, YOU'RE JUST GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA GO BACK TO METAL RAILINGS? WELL, WE DON'T TOUCH THOSE.
WE DON'T, THIS IS ALL DONE DONE.
AND THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN MOVED OR, OH, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND ALSO, DID YOU SAY THAT WAS GONNA BE BLACK ON THE, THE, UH, THE CANOPY THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON EACH EXTENSION? BLACK? NO, THERE'S A, THE CANOPY THAT WE'RE PUTTING ACROSS THE TOP WILL BE METAL.
WE DON'T HAVE A COLOR PICKED YET.
AND THERE'LL BE TRANSLUCENT RIGHT.
WE'RE THINKING OF POLYCARBONATE.
COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NOPE.
ON THE TOUR, UM, I HAD ASKED A FEW QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD THEM TO THE RECORD HERE AS WELL.
UM, WHEN THE RAMPS ARE BEING REMOVED, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE, WELL, THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY CONNECTED, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE STRUCTURALLY CONNECTED TO THE EXTERIOR WALL AS WELL.
AND SO, WHEN THE RAMPS ARE REMOVED DURING THE RENOVATION,
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UM, IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE GONNA REMAIN INTACT OR DOES, ARE THERE ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE MADE TO IT? WELL, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED STRUCTURAL NEEDS.ONCE THOSE ARE REMOVED, UM, THERE IS SOME LATERAL BRACING THAT THEY WOULD BE PROVIDING.
AND WE DO HAVE, THINK SOME OF THE SECTIONS SHOW WE'RE DOING A, A, A FEW PIECES OF, OF, UH, STRUCTURAL, UH, TYING ACROSS ON THE INSIDE, BUT MINIMAL, MINIMAL STUFF.
AND THEN MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION WAS THAT DURING, UM, CONVERSATION THIS MORNING, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WAS NOTED WAS THAT, UM, WAS THE IDEA OF THE REVERSIBILITY OF, OF ANY ADDITIONS TO BE MADE OR ANY MODIFICATIONS TO BE MADE.
UM, JUST WONDERING WHAT YOUR STEPS ARE, UH, INVOLVING THEM? WELL, AND, AND YES.
THAT, AND THAT IS OF COURSE, PART OF THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS AND WHY WE DON'T EXPECT, UH, THERE TO EVER BE A MOVEMENT TO REMOVE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WE, WE UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THE IDEA THAT THAT COULD COME APART, COME, COME ABOUT AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE.
MY GRANDKIDS MIGHT LOOK TO RESTORE THE COTTON BOAT FOR WHATEVER REASON, BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL OR 1948 APPEARANCE.
AND SO, YEAH, WE'RE RESPECTING THAT, THAT PRIOR TO THE SECRETARY OF THE STAND INTERIOR STANDARDS.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS BASICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STANDING OFF, WE'RE NOT REMOVING ANY MORE HISTORIC FABRIC THAN WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, WHICH IS REALLY THE RAMPS.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE A, LET'S CONSIDER A LIGHT TOUCH BETWEEN WHATEVER WE PUT UP AND THE EXISTING STRUCTURES AROUND THE SIDE.
SO IT COULD BE TAKEN OFF WITH MINIMAL EFFORT TO, UH, WITH MINIMAL CHANGE TO THE BUILDING.
SO, UH, DO I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, UH, MR. OLSON TO SAY THAT THE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL EXTERIOR WALL WILL ACTUALLY BE RETAINED AND ENCASED WITHIN THE, UH, BEHIND THE ADDITION? WELL, I WOULDN'T CALL IT ENCASED.
THE ORIGINAL WALL WILL BE RETAINED INTACT.
THE ONLY REMOVAL OR CHANGE TO, TO HISTORIC FABRIC THAT WE ARE MAKING IS THE REMOVAL OF THE RAMPS.
THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT DAY, BECAUSE ONE, THE RAMPS ARE NOT LEGAL ANY LONGER.
AND TWO, THEY WE'RE REPLACING THEM WITH, UH, ESCALATORS, WHICH IS THE MODERN, MUCH MORE EFFICIENT AND FASTER WAY TO MOVE PEOPLE THROUGH THE STADIUM.
OTHERWISE, THE WALL STAYS, UH, WE'LL, AND, AND, UH, WE ARE MAKING, TAKING SOME PAINS TO KEEP IT OPEN SO THAT YOU CAN, IT'S NOT ENC AND NOT ENCASED OR ENTOMBED IN ANY WAY.
YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT THROUGH THOSE OPENINGS YOU SEE THERE.
AND ON THESE, THIS DRAWING, THE NEW DRAWING ACTUALLY SHOWS THOSE OPENINGS A LITTLE BETTER, A LITTLE MORE ACCURATELY.
SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE VERY SIMPLE TO, TO PERCEIVE AND SEE THE HISTORIC, UH, 1948 FACADE AND ALL THE VERTICAL CIRCULATION WILL STAND OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING WALLS.
AND THE EXISTING WALLS WILL THEN BECOME, UH, AN ASPECT OF THE CONCOURSE.
UM, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE RAMPS.
I BELIEVE THE RAMPS ARE PART OF THE HISTORIC FEELING OF THE STADIUM.
I MEAN, WHEN YOU GO TO AN OLD STADIUM, YOU HAVE RAMPS.
YOU GO TO THE NEW COWBOY STADIUM, YOU HAVE THE ESCALATORS.
UM, I REALLY FEEL THAT YOU'RE DESTROYING A CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURE OF THE, OF THE STADIUM BY TAKING OUT THE RAMPS, WHICH APPEAR TO BE STRUCTURAL TO SOME EXTENT, AND PUTTING IN ESCALATORS, WHICH IS GONNA MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CONTEMPORARY INTERIOR.
SO MY QUESTION IS PARTLY, I KNOW THEY'RE OUT OF CODE, AND THERE IT'D BE BETTER FOR HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBILITY, BUT IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT YOU TAKE THEM OUT IF THEY'RE EXISTING A REQUIREMENT THERE, THERE'S A FUNCTIONAL REQUIREMENT TO DO SO? UH, SO IT'S FUNCTIONAL.
THE INTENTION OF THE WHOLE PROJECT IS TO EXPAND THE CONCOURSES TO SEVERAL TIMES THEIR CURRENT WIDTH.
'CAUSE THEY ARE SO RESTRICTIVE.
AND SO THE RAMPS EXIST EXACTLY WHERE ADDITIONAL CONCOURSE WIDTH WOULD BE REQUIRED.
AND SO, WHILE IT IS, IT IS DISTASTEFUL TO ME TO COME TO THIS COMMISSION AND REQUEST, UH, APPROVAL TO REMOVE SOME HISTORIC FABRIC.
AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT IS IMPORTANT HISTORIC FABRIC.
IT IS, HOWEVER, I THINK A NECESSARY TRADE OFF IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, TO THE, THE CONTINUED VIABILITY OF THE COTTON BOWL.
AND IN RETURN FOR THAT REQUEST FOR REMOVAL, WE'RE GOING TO SOME PAINS TO MAINTAIN AND, AND KEEP AND RESTORE OTHER PORTIONS OF THE STADIUM THAT ARE MAYBE, UH, THAT, THAT MINIMIZE OUR IMPACT TO ANYTHING ELSE AND NOT REMOVE ANY MORE MATERIAL THAN WE HAVE TO SEE.
MY FEELING IS NOT ONLY IS IT THE RAMS
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HISTORIC FABRIC, BUT IT IS THE ACTUAL FUNCTIONALITY OF THE RAMS. WHEN YOU GO INTO A STADIUM.NOW, FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS STADIUM IS BUILT IN 1924.
DO THEY HAVE RAMPS OR DO THEY HAVE ESCALATORS? UH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE RAMPS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS, AND THEY, THEY HAVE BOTH, UH, THE, UH, THE RAMPS DO REMAIN, BUT THE RAMPS ARE BEHIND OTHER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, THAT, THAT, UH, UH, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO REMOVING THOSE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF, PLENTY OF MOVEMENT SPACE.
AND THERE THEY DON'T REPRESENT A CONSTRICTION TO THE CONCOURSES.
UH, WHICH COULD SOME OF THE RAMPS BE? COULD SOME OF THE RAMPS BE RETAINED FOR HISTORICAL CONTINUITY? BECAUSE I FEEL STRONGLY WHEN YOU GO TO A VINTAGE GAME AND A VINTAGE, AN VINTAGE, UH, STICK MATHER, THE RAMPS ARE PART OF THESE GOING.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I'M IN A REAL OLD STADIUM.
WELL, AND AGAIN, I DON'T DISAGREE THAT THERE ARE A FEATURE OF OLDER STADIUMS. I AM AWARE THAT MANY OLDER STADIUMS ARE REMOVING THEM, NOT, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO THE COTTON BOWL THAT'S DOING THAT.
UM, AND THE PROBLEM IS, UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE WELL BELOW WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO BE NORMAL STANDARDS FOR, UH, SPACE PER OCCUPANT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND, UH, UH, AND, AND ACCESS THEIR SEATS AND ALL.
AND SOMEONE WHO GOES TO LARGE EVENTS AT THE COTTON BOWL ALL THE TIME.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PROBLEM THERE IS REALLY QUITE, QUITE SEVERE.
UH, EVEN WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE NOT MET, UH, MODERN STANDARDS.
SO ANY TRADE OFF THAT WE MAKE WITH LEAVING A RAMP OR PART OF A RAMP, UH, IS, IS A, IS A LOSS OF THAT, OF MODERN EXPECTATIONS FOR FUNCTION THERE.
SO I, AGAIN, I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS THERE, AND WE'VE, WE, UH, LABORED OVER THIS A LONG TIME, BUT FELT LIKE THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, AN, AN ESSENTIAL TRADE OFF.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE SHOWN IT.
IS THERE A WAY TO SUM OF THE RAMP RETAINED FOR HISTORICAL PURPOSES FOR THAT THERE, THAT FEELING? IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF KEEPING SOME OF THE RAMP? I DON'T, THERE'S NO WAY OF KEEPING THE RAMPS.
THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, PERHAPS OF RE OF RETAINING SOME EVIDENCE OF THEM, UH, A NON-FUNCTIONING, UH, PIECES THAT SHOW WHERE THEY WERE VERY MUCH AS, SAY, AN HISTORIC TAX CREDIT PROJECT, INSTEAD OF BLOWING OUT A WALL, YOU HAVE TO DO PUNCHED OPENINGS AND KEEP, UH, UH, KEEP THE EXPRESSION OF THE WALL IN PLACE.
I'M NOT SURE IT ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE, BUT, UH, IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, KEEPING ANYTHING AS A FULL WIDTH OF THE RAMP, WE DON'T SEE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS GOING TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE WRAPS.
DO I HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ANYBODY? UM, VIRTUALLY THAT HASN'T SPOKEN ONCE? NO.
WE'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
UM, HAS THIS BEEN SUBMITTED TO T H C AT THIS POINT FOR ANY, UH, REVIEWS? AND IF SO, WHEN WOULD YOU MIGHT HEAR, UH, WE HAVE BEEN DOWN AND MET WITH THE T H C AND PRESENTED THESE CONCEPTS TO THEM.
THAT PROCESS IS ONGOING BECAUSE IT IS ALSO BECAUSE IT'S A NATIONAL HISTORIC LANDMARK, AND WE ARE SEEKING HISTORIC TAX CREDITS FOR THIS PROJECT.
IT IS ALSO GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
WE LET THEM KNOW, HOWEVER THAT WE WERE DOING THIS PROCESS FIRST.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO SHOW THEM SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WOULD REJECT.
AND, AND AS YOU DON'T, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANNA PROVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA SHOW THEM.
IT'S ALL GONNA BE, WE'RE WORKING IT AS CLOSE TO PARALLEL AS POSSIBLE.
BUT I DID WANT TO, THIS PROCESS IS CRITICAL PATH.
SO WE'VE, 'CAUSE YOU MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE ON OUR ABILITY TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT.
AND SO WE NEEDED, WE NEEDED TO COME UP WITH THE DESIGN WE FELT LIKE THAT LANDMARK COMMISSION WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH BEFORE WE WENT FULL ON WITH THE, WITH THE, THE T H C.
BUT THEY'RE AWARE WE'RE DOING IT.
THEY'VE SEEN THE INITIAL, INITIAL PLANS AND THEY'RE, AND THEY'RE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, FOLDING THEIR ARMS AND SITTING BACK AND LOOKING AT IT TOO.
AND YOU GUYS WOULD BE COMING BACK AND WE'LL BE REVIEWING THEIR COMMENTS AS WELL AS THE PARTS.
YEAH, IT, WELL, AND LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT COMING BACK.
SO WHAT'S THE SCHEDULE AND QUESTIONS? THE SCHEDULE IS ON LAST THURSDAY WE FILED FOR THE OFFICIAL CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
UH, TWO DAYS FROM NOW, WE WILL BE SENDING, WE'LL BE BRINGING UPDATED INFORMATION, INCLUDING ANY INFORMATION WE GATHER AT THIS MEETING TO THE TASK FORCE.
AND WE DO EXPECT TO BE BACK HERE NEXT MONTH WITH A REAL C OF A APPLICATION WITH ADDITIONAL DETAILS AND INFORMATION BASED ON WHAT WE'VE COME UP WITH DURING THAT MONTH PROCESS, YES, WE WILL BE, UH, TOUCH IN TOUCH AGAIN WITH THE, UM, THE T H C AND, AND, AND TRYING TO BALANCE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE HERE AND THAT OUR DESIGN REFLECTS THINGS THAT THEY CAN LIVE WITH AS BEST AS WE CAN DETERMINE FROM THEM.
DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE COMMENTS FROM THEM, UH, TO
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SUBMIT TO, UH, THE CA PROCESS OVER THE NEXT MONTH THAT WE SEE YOU? I DO, I DO.IF WE HAVE NO MORE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I JUST HAVE ONE MYSELF.
HAVE YOU SPOKEN ALREADY? OKAY.
WE HAVE ONE QUESTION, AND NORMAN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ARCHITECTURAL PROPRIETY.
UM, JUST OUT OF INTEREST, HAVING BEEN, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CROWD MORE THAN ONCE MYSELF, CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THIS CHANGE WOULD BRING ABOUT IN TERMS OF JUST THE FLOW OF HUMANKIND THROUGH THAT SPACE? I MEAN, HOW MANY MORE THOUSANDS WILL GET THROUGH MORE EXPEDIENTLY THAN BEFORE? WELL, RIGHT NOW THE CAPACITY IS SOMETHING LIKE 90 THOU, 90 PLUS THOUSAND.
UH, THIS WILL, THIS, WE BELIEVE THIS WILL HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT FOR MOVEMENT ALL THROUGH THE, THE STADIUM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON THE FAR SIDE.
THE, UH, UH, IT WILL, WE THINK IT WILL HELP BALANCE OUT SOME OF THE MOVEMENT.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE UNDERSTAND NOW THE CALCULATIONS HAVE BEEN DONE THAT IT TAKES ABOUT 45 MINUTES TO EVACUATE THE STADIUM.
IT'S, IT'S A LONG TIME BY MODERN STANDARDS.
I DO NOT HAVE THE CALCULATIONS FOR WHAT THE, UH, NEW EVACUATION TIME WOULD BE, UH, WITH THESE.
BUT WE EXPECT IT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY LESS.
AGAIN, THE IDEA HERE IS, IS THIS IS THE MOST WE CAN DO.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE JUST IS NO OTHER PLACE TO GO WITH THIS.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET AS MUCH ACCOMMODATION AS WE CAN.
SO WE THINK IT WILL MAKE A VERY IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE, UH, TO THE EXPERIENCE AT THE STADIUM IN ALL LOCATIONS, BUT ESPECIALLY ON WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE WEST SIDE.
AS, AS, AS HUTCH HERE WAS EXPERIENCING TO ME, THE, WHEN THEY DO THE CALCULATIONS OF, OF MOVEMENT SPACE PER OCCUPANT, UH, THIS EDITION WILL DOUBLE THAT NUMBER, UH, THROUGHOUT THE STADIUM.
I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE, HAVE A GREATER EFFECT ON THE WEST SIDE, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, THIS WILL BE TWICE AS MUCH MOVEMENT AS, UH, A SPACE AS WE HAVE TODAY.
UM, SORRY TO GO BACK TO THESE, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS IS SORT OF THE MOST SUBSTANTIAL HISTORICAL LOSS, UH, UH, ATTENDING TO THIS PROJECT, WHICH, UH, YOU KNOW, I, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR FUNCTIONALITY, BUT THIS IS MY LAST CHANCE.
SO, UM, ON THE DRAWING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MM-HMM.
THAT'S THE EXISTING 1948 EDITION.
AND THE, UM, THE LEVEL THAT THE CANOPY IS SHADING, THAT IS THE UPPERMOST CONCOURSE? THAT IS CORRECT LEVEL.
THAT'S THE, THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING UPPER CONCOURSE LEVEL? YES.
WHICH WAS, AND, AND THAT EXISTING UPPER CONCOURSE, WAS THAT ORIGINAL TO THE COTTON BOWL, OR WAS THAT ADDED IN 1948? THAT WAS, OR THAT'S, THAT IS, THAT IS FROM 48.
BEFORE 19 47, 48, THIS THING SAT ON THE GROUND.
EVERYTHING IN THE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE DOCUMENTS IN 1936 CENTENNIAL EXPOSITION, THIS WAS JUST 12 OR 15 FEET ABOVE THE ADJACENT GRADE, 40 EIGHTS WHEN IT WENT TO WHAT WE KNOW OF AS A COTTON BOWL TODAY.
SO ALL THE RAMPS ABOUT WHICH WE WAXED SO SENTIMENTAL, THEY TO 1948.
AND AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED FROM THE GROUND UP TO THE UPPERMOST CONCOURSE? THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY BASICALLY JUST CONNECT THE MAIN CONCOURSE, WHICH WAS AT THE TOP OF THE BOWL WHEN IT WAS BUILT IN 30.
AND THEN, AND THEN THEY CONNECTED UP TO THE UPPER CONCOURSE, WHICH WAS ADDED IN 1948.
SO SOME OF THE RAMPS ACTUALLY WERE ALREADY PRESENT, UH, UH, FROM 1937, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THERE WERE NO RAMPS IN TH AGAIN, THERE WAS NO PLACE TO GO WITH RAMPS IN 1936.
THE, THE, THERE WERE STEPS UP WHEN YOU GOT TO THE COTTON BOWL, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY BASICALLY ROUND IT UP RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY, I GUESS THEY JUST CUT AND FILL, YOU KNOW, DUG, DUG THE HOLE AND PILED THE DIRT AROUND IT.
SO WHEN YOU GOT THERE IN 1936, THERE WAS, THERE ARE, THERE ARE STAIRS AND RAMPS SHOWN IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT THERE WAS A 12 OR 15 FOOT RISE TO GET INTO THE BOWL BEFORE YOU COULD GO DOWN AND SIT.
THAT MAIN CONCOURSE LEVEL HAS REMAINED SINCE THAT TIME, SINCE THAT TIME, AT THAT TIME.
SO ALL THE RAMPS ARE FROM 48? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND IS IT, IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE, UH, CAPACITY OF THE, THE, THAT THERE IS MORE, UH, CIRCULATION DEMAND ON THE LOWER RAMPS THAN ON THE UPPER RAMPS? TYPICALLY? YES.
WAS ANY, UH, WAS THAT BUILT INTO THE DESIGN IN ANY WAY OR WERE
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THEY SIMPLY ALL THE SAME WIDTH REGARDLESS OF ANTICIPATED VOLUME OF USE? TRUTHFULLY, THERE'S REALLY ONLY, REMEMBER, WE'RE ONLY, THERE'S ONLY TWO LEVELS.UH, BASICALLY FOR, UH, THERE'S THE UPPER LEVEL AND, AND THEN THE MAIN LEVEL.
AND SO, AND THOSE, WHEN THEY BUILT THE UPPER PORTION, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS HAD.
SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS NOTHING TO SCALE BACK AS IT WENT.
AND WE'RE NOT MAKING THAT CHANGE.
SO REALLY THE, THE ANSWER WE HAVE, THEY JUST GO UP TO A LANDING AND THEN THEY RETURN.
YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS ON FACEBOOK SHOW THAT VERY CLEARLY.
WELL, YOU KNOW, UM, 'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT FOR A GUY LIKE ME, UH, THE EXPERIENCE OF COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS TALKING ABOUT, I, I CAN RELATE TO THAT, BUT REALLY IT'S THE TEXTURE OF THE RAMP AND WE'RE, WE'RE LOSING SO MUCH OF THAT OLD CONCRETE TEXTURE WHERE WE HAVE PLANK FORM WORK AND YOU JUST DON'T SEE PLANK FORM WORK ANYMORE.
AND IT WOULD BE, IN MY VIEW, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THIS BUILDING IN USE AND WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE SAME KIND OF EVENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH MORE MODERN STADIUMS FOR.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT WE COULD KEEP THAT SOME OF THAT TEXTURE THAT SHOWS THE ORIGINAL METHODS.
'CAUSE NOWADAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY SEE PLYWOOD, YOU MAY JUST SEE METAL, RIGHT.
UH, AND IT'S VERY, IT DOESN'T TELL YOU MUCH ABOUT WHAT IT WAS OR ABOUT THE WOODS OF FORESTS OF YESTERDAY.
SO I'LL PASS THAT ALONG TO THE DESIGNERS.
I MEAN, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE ELEMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS WE CAN ADDRESS.
UH, BUT I, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY.
IF NO ONE HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I JUST HAVE, UH, ONE OF, OF MY OWN AND WHAT YOU HAVE PASSED OUT TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NOW AN OPENING WHERE I THINK THE TICKET COUNTER USED TO BE.
IT'S, IT'S NOT SHOWING IT ON THE SCREEN CURRENTLY TO THE LEFT OF THE, UH, MAIN, THE, THE MAIN STAIRS OF THAT? THAT, NO, THAT, THAT IS, UM, THOSE ARE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S THERE NO TICKET COUNTERS.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST, THERE'S A GATE NOW THERE'S AN OPENING IN THE WALL AND ACT AND IT'S AT THE TOP OF A RAMP.
AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE A LOT OF THE, UH, UH, WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, THE MOTORIZED TRAFFIC THAT GOES INTO THE STADIUM TO, TO SUPPLY IT COMES UP AND COMES IN THAT WAY.
SO IT WON'T BE CLOSED OFF LIKE IT IS UP THERE IN THAT IMAGE.
THERE WILL BE AN OPENING ON, THERE WILL BE AN OPENING, YES.
AND THERE'LL BE STAIRS AS YOU COME IN.
IT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THOSE TWO STAIRS CAME TOGETHER AND THERE WAS A BOOTH THERE AT THE TWO STAIRS THAT CAME TOGETHER.
YEAH, WE'VE ADDED, WE'VE ADDED AN ENTRANCE THERE.
WE DIDN'T SHOW IT THE LAST TIME, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN RESPONSE TO, AND WE APPRECIATE THE ISSUE ABOUT THE STAIRS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH.
AND THOSE WERE AN IMPORTANT DESIGN ELEMENT.
UH, BUT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM TO REPLICATE THEM.
UH, AND SO THAT, BUT THAT FUNCTION IS STILL NEEDED THERE.
ONCE THAT IS AT THE GROUND LEVEL, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO UP TO THE FIRST CONCOURSE.
AND SO THERE ARE STAIRS AND ESCALATORS JUST INSIDE THAT OPENING.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS ONLINE? ALL RIGHT.
UH, CHAIRMAN MONTGOMERY CAN, UH, RETURN.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP BY THE WAY.
SO WHAT'S UP NEXT ON OUR AGENDA? C ONE C TWO.
UH, SO YOU DIDN'T CORRECT ME ENOUGH.
WE HAD THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA WAS THE SECOND FOR C SEVEN.
SHE EMAILED AND SAID SHE WAS NOT.
WE HAVE TO ASK THE COMMISSION.
WHO SECONDED FOR C SEVEN? IT MUST HAVE BEEN COMMISSIONER BELVIN, I GUESS.
'CAUSE IT WAS A WOMAN'S VOICE.
WE'LL NEED TO HAVE CONFIRMATION WHEN WE DID THE MOVE FOR C SEVEN.
I BELIEVE THE SECOND CAME FROM SOMEONE ONLINE.
WAS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER BELVIN? YES.
I THOUGHT IT WAS COMMISSIONER HINOJOSA.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
DISCUSSION ITEM D TWO IS CITED AT 2 0 8 LANDIS STREET IN THE 10TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 2 3 DASH 4 85 R D.
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REQUEST IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT STAFF.RECOMMENDATION IS AS FOLLOWS, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 7 6 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT FOUNDATION B PIER AND BEAM ARE CONCRETE POSTS AND BEAM.
THAT EXTERIOR DOORS BE CRAFTSMAN STYLE WITH A MINIMUM OF THREE TOP LIGHTS THAT WINDOWS BE ALL WOOD WITH EXTERIOR MUONS.
IN OTHER WORDS, GRILLS AND THAT DEPTH OF FRONT PORCH BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET BEHIND PORCH COLUMNS.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION B UNDER NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ADDITIONS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN TWO FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES.
AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT AND NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT NEW MAIN RESIDENTIAL BUILDING ON A VACANT LOT BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
FOUNDATION SLAB MUST BE AT LEAST 24 INCHES IN HEIGHT AND COVERED BY SKIRTING POST AND BEAM IS PREFERRED.
ALRIGHT, AND WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER REGISTERED FOR THIS ONE.
DAVID ANDERSON, YOU'RE HERE IN PERSON.
I DON'T THINK I NEED TO PUSH, DO I? WE'RE GOOD.
IS IT ON LIGHT? YOU SEE A LIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
FIRST, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
56 0 6 BRYN MAWR, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND, UH, YOU, YOU SWEAR OR PROMISE TO TELL US THE TRUTH TODAY?
ALRIGHT, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES IF YOU'D LIKE TO TELL US ANYTHING FURTHER ABOUT YOUR PROJECT AND LA AND WE'LL BE TIMING YOU.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY IN A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.
IT'S THE LAND BANK, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM.
AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PROGRAM NOW FOR ALMOST SIX YEARS AND WE'VE BUILT QUITE A FEW HOMES AND THIS HAPPENS TO BE, UM, UM, ONE OF THOSE HOMES IN THAT AREA.
DUNN AND I THINK WE'RE AT A GOOD SPOT NOW WHERE EVERYBODY AGREES THAT THIS WOULD BE A, A REALLY WELL, WELL-BUILT HOUSE FOR THAT AREA.
AND ANYTHING ELSE OR ARE YOU READY? WE'LL BE ASKING YOU QUESTIONS I'M SURE, SO, OH, QUESTIONS ARE FINE.
ALRIGHT, SO STAY AROUND SO WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT.
WHAT QUESTIONS DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE REGARDING THIS PROJECT? I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE, ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, UH, BOTH BY YOUR GROUP.
AND THEN AS THE SUBSEQUENT, UM, UH, PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE TO US, I, I I THINK YOU'RE MAKING SOME STEPS FORWARD.
HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE, UH, UH, A FEW THINGS THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONSIDER OR ASK YOU TO CONSIDER FOR, UH, UH, UNDER THE, UM, UH, UH, IT STARTS WITH A C
UM, AND ALSO I WANTED TO MENTION MAYBE AT THE TOP OF ALL OF THIS THAT, UM, WE REALIZED THAT THE SLOPE OF THE EXISTING SITE HAS, HAS BEEN DRASTICALLY CHANGED, UH, TO BASICALLY BE FLAT.
UH, AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING CONDITION OF, OF THE ENTIRE STREET ACTUALLY PROBABLY DROPS SIX, EIGHT FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE STREET TO THE REAR OF THE LOT.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE, THE NEIGHBORING HOUSES TO EITHER SIDE.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED IT TO, TO GO ON RECORD THE FACT THAT WE, WE REALIZE THAT SITE HAS ALREADY BEEN CHANGED.
UM, AND SO YOU'RE WORKING WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
UM, ALSO THAT THE, THE VIEW OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET IS RELATIVELY SIMILAR TO, UH, BOTH THE HOMES ON YOUR, EITHER ON EITHER SIDE OF YOU.
SO, UM, UM, AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT, UH, UH, SO THAT IT SHOWS ON THE RECORD.
UM, SO THEN REGARDING SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS, UM, REALIZE THAT YOU'VE, UH, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE, THE EVOLUTION OF, UM, OF THE DESIGN OF THE FOUNDATION AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE THINGS THAT, UM, UM, UM, THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THERE.
OBVIOUSLY KEEP MOVEMENT OF THE SLAB, UH, UH, TO AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE.
YOU KNOW, WHILE WE PREFER, UM, UM, PIER AND BEAM FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, UH, A CONTINUOUS FOOTER AROUND THE PERIMETER WITH, WITH PIERS, UH, IN THE MIDDLE, IN A, A WOOD FRAME ABOVE THAT, UM, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU TOOK MEASURES TO, TO LIFT THAT SLAB TWO FEET OFF THE GROUND.
UM, HOWEVER, TO MAKE THAT DETAIL, UH, MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, UH, NOTICE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS ALREADY WAS TO ADD SKIRTING
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BELOW IT, BUT, UM, NOTICE THAT THE SKIRTING THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING ON YOUR ELEVATIONS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S, UM, WHAT'S ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE.AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS SO THAT THERE'D BE A, A WATERFALL AT THE CHANGE OF THE, BETWEEN THE, THE FLOOR SLAB AND THEN THE SKIRTING DOWN BELOW THAT.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS IN KEEPING WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I KNOW YOU HAVE WOOD UP ABOVE.
I THINK THERE WAS A DIFFERENT MATERIAL BELOW THAT, BUT IF THAT COULD REMAIN THE SAME ALL THE WAY, UM, REALIZING THAT WOOD SO CLOSE TO THE SOIL, UH, PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ABOUT SIX INCHES UP OFF OF THE SOIL.
AND I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE.
UM, A SECOND CONDITION WOULD BE AT THE OVERHANG.
UM, I KNOW YOU'RE SHOWING, UH, OPEN RAFTER TAILS, BUT THE, THE DISTANCE OF THAT OVERHANG IS ACTUALLY QUITE SMALL.
IT LOOKS ONLY MAYBE ABOUT A FOOT OR SO.
UM, BUT, AND MORE IN CON COMMISSIONER RENO, I AM COMPELLED TO INTERRUPT YOU BY OUR ATTORNEY.
I KNOW YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION OR GETTING THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO KIND OF BE QUESTIONING FIRST AND THEN LET'S HEAR WHAT HE SAYS.
SO I GUESS MY POINT ON THE, UH, ON THE ROOF OVERHANG IN PARTICULAR WAS WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO, UH, ADJUSTING THAT DIMENSION SO THAT IT WOULD BE MORE IN KEEPING WITH, UM, WITH UM, UM, ADJACENT HOMES WHERE IT IS A, A TWO FOOT OVERHANG AND WITH UH, UH, OPEN RAFTERS? YES, I WOULD, I MEAN, OKAY.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY FEET IT IS.
WE HIRED ALL THAT DONE TO MEET ALL THE GUIDELINES AND CODE SHIRLEY.
UM, OH, AND THEN I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING VERY SMALL ON THE, ON THE FRONT ELEVATION.
UM, NOTICE THAT THE, THE TREADS ARE SHOWN AS SIX INCHES.
I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE RISERS AND NOT THE TREADS.
TREADS ARE TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, 11 INCHES, 12 INCHES.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT YOU MEANT THERE IN PARTICULAR, ON, ON BOTH THE FRONT PORCH AND THE BACK PORCH, IT'S SHOWING SIX INCH TREADS.
AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE ACTUALLY QUITE SHORT.
IT WOULD BE RISERS, NOT TREADS.
AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY, WAS THERE A RESPONSE, SIR, ABOUT THE REQUEST THAT WE ADD THE, UM, THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THE DRIP LINE, A WATER TABLE THERE AND, AND HAVE WOOD UNDERNEATH IT AT THE FOUNDATION? DID YOU YEAH.
OUR INTENT IS TO, UH, EMULATE WHAT A PYRAMID BEAM, UH, HOUSE WOULD LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, AND OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE, BUT MOST AREN'T, UM, THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE, THEY CALL IT, YOU KNOW, MUD SOIL.
UM, MOST OF THE HOMES IN THAT AREA WERE BUILT IN, YOU KNOW, THE EARLY 19 HUNDREDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE ALL WY AND LOPSIDED.
SO ONE OF MY GOALS ON THIS IS I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOME AS A, AS THE, UH, BUILDER.
AND UH, WHEN WE HIRED THE ENGINEER TO DESIGN THE HOME, HE CAME BACK WITH THE, THE APPEAR BEAM AND, AND SAID THAT WAS THE BEST FOR THAT LOT.
AS YOU SAID, THAT LOT DOES HAVE A NASTY SLOPE AND A DROP OFF BEHIND IT.
UM, BUT YES, NOW WE'LL WE WILL DO WHAT HE HAD HAD SAID AND THAT'S WHAT OUR INTENT WAS TO MAKE SURE IT EMULATES WHAT A APPEAR BEAM LOOKS LIKE.
JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD YOU SAYING THAT ON.
WE RECORD THESE, YOU KNOW, SO NOW YOU'RE MARGINALIZED FOR ALLITY.
AND I, I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE DETAIL TO THAT.
'CAUSE YOU WERE ALSO SHOWING THE SKIRTING AROUND THE PORCHES, BOTH THE FRONT AND THE REAR.
AND BECAUSE THEY'RE CONCRETE, YOU WOULD NOT NEED A SKIRTING THERE BECAUSE THEN YOU'D HAVE <