[Community Police Oversight Board on August 8, 2023.]
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MR. FLORES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BACK.
UM, AND I'M TRYING TO, I'M SORRY.
FOR SOME REASON YOU'RE NOT SHOWING UP AS AN INTERPRETER.
AND IF HE AS AN ATTENDEE, THAT'S STILL WRONG.
BECAUSE HE SHOULD COME IN AS I UNDERSTAND THE PANELISTS.
LEMME, LEMME SEND YOU THE, YOU NEED TO CLICK ON THE LINK THAT I EMAILED YOU 'CAUSE YOU'RE COMING IN AS AN ATTENDEE.
I, I, I'M CLICKING, MA'AM, I'M CLICKING ON THE EMAIL YOU JUST SENT ME ABOUT HALF AN HOUR AGO.
AND IT BRINGS ME HERE, UH, THE, A WHILE AGO I WAS AS AN INTERPRETER, THEN I WAS KIND OF BUMPED OFF AND NOW I'M COMING BACK.
IS IT, THERE SHOULD BE TWO INTERPRETERS, TWO PEOPLE.
I'M STILL SET AS THE PANELIST.
REASON MR. FLORES IS SAYING YOU ARE NOT IN THE MEETING, BUT YOU'RE CLEARLY IN THE MEETING.
IS IT SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT IN THE MEETING ORIGINALLY? I WAS ALL THE WAY ON THE BOTTOM ON THIS MEETING.
SHE'S THERE NOW INSTEAD OF ME.
I MEAN, I WAS THERE AND NOW SHE'S THERE AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT AS INTERPRETER.
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WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE OTHER INTERPRETERS SITUATED.
SO I HAVE SOMEBODY COMING ON THE LINE THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY HELP US BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD BECAUSE THEY DON'T
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MS. MCCLARY.MS. MCCLARY, MR. CHAIR, WE DO HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS HERE, SO I'M GONNA ASK IF MS. DEION CAN TAKE THE FIRST PART OF THIS, SO YOU ALL CAN GO AHEAD AND START, AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON GETTING THE OTHER INTERPRETER IN ON THE BACKEND.
SO YOU MAY GO AHEAD AND START MR. CHAIR.
UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
HI, I'M JOSE REVIS, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD, AND SO WE'LL GET STARTED.
THE MISSION OF OUR OF THE POLICE, UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED FAIR AND THOROUGHLY.
OUR TRANSPARENT AND ENSURE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENCE HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS INCLUDE, UH, ENSURING THE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS.
REVIEW THE FACTS OF EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
DIRECT THE MONITOR, UH, TO INITIATE AN INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH EXCEPT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.
TAKE SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.
REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS. A BOARD DECORUM, UM, DURING OUR BOARD MEETINGS, UH, MEMBERS AND, UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
POLICE PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM, UH, BY NEITHER, UH, HAVING CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS, NOR REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
ALL MEMBERS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO CITY EMPLOYEES, AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND SHALL REIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS.
UH, REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, BEGIN WITH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT HERE SHORTLY.
BUT FIRST I WANNA DO ROLL CALL.
UM, D ONE IS, UM, UH, MR. SMITH, HE'S ABSENT TODAY.
DISTRICT NINE, MR. SANFORD, DISTRICT NINE.
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SHE'S, UH, ABSENT.DISTRICT 13, NATHAN KIPPLER, DISTRICT 13.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT AND DISTRICT 15.
PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON WITH SOME DISCRETION.
UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS TONIGHT, WE ONLY HAVE TWO, UH, SPEAKERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK, UM, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
OUR UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND TO HAVE A HEALTHY, UH, AND SPIRITED DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ESTABLISH SOME STRUCTURE ON HOW WE ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UM, OKAY, SO LET'S GO WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS.
DOLORES PHILLIPS, YOU DO HAVE A FIVE PAGE HANDOUT.
I'VE BEEN SPEAKING SINCE 2012.
THEY STARTED ERASING DOCUMENTS BEFORE YOU HEAR THE DOCUMENTS ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS RECENTLY BEING ERASED.
THEY HAVE IT IN THEIR ARCHIVES THAT I STARTED SPEAKING IN 2013, BUT I STARTED SPEAKING IN 2012 ABOUT A COVERUP BACK IN 2009.
I KEPT SPEAKING BEFORE MAYOR ROLLINS AND HE GOT TIRED.
HE REALLY GOT ANGRY, AND HE PREARRANGED A MEETING FOR OCTOBER 25TH, 2013.
I REALLY WANT YOU TO READ THOROUGHLY.
GO TO THE LINK AND READ ABOUT CORPORAL COTNER.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EXPLOITED MENTAL ILLNESS IS TRIGGERED BECAUSE I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG.
I KNEW EVERY, EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO BE OFF THAT DAY.
AND PEOPLE GO THROUGH THIS ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY POOR PEOPLE BEYOND RACE.
AND SIR, THIS IS UTMOST RESPECT TO YOU.
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, F B I, I'VE WRITTEN TO HONORABLE CHIEF, MR. JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS, JR.
WHEN YOU SEE THIS FIVE PAGE HANDOUT OF CORPORAL COTTON, I KNEW THAT HE HAD BEEN TRIGGERED BECAUSE EVER SINCE I WAS YAY BIG, I WAS BEEN STUDYING HUMAN BEHAVIOR.
IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO FIND THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE THEY KEPT REDIRECTING ME.
WHEN I WOULD GO AND TRY TO SEARCH RETALIATION BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.
CORPORAL COTTON WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
HE TOLD ME THAT MORNING WHEN HE CAME DOWN TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF AT THIS PREARRANGED MEETING THAT HE HAD TALKED TO THE MAYOR.
IT'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THE WAY THE ENERGY WAS, THE WAY CORPORAL COTTON LOOKED, IT WAS GONNA GO BACK.
NOW, DON'T FORGET 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE I'M BLACK.
I KEPT WATCHING CORPORAL COTNER.
I KEPT WATCHING HIS GUN BECAUSE I'M BLACK AND I KNEW IT WAS BAD WHEN THEY TOOK ME TO GREEN OAKS.
THEY FORGOT TO SAY I DROVE FROM U N T DALLAS WITH A 3.0.
THEY FORGOT TO SAY THAT THEY INTERCEPTED MY COURT DOCUMENTS THAT I WAS GONNA RETRIEVE FROM DOWNSTAIRS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE MEETING.
SO THESE ARE POINTS OF IRREFUTABLE FACT.
I DON'T FIGHT POLICE NEVER ARGUE WITH POLICE, NOR WILL I EVER.
THE OCTOBER 25TH, 2013 MEETING AT DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS, 1400 SOUTH LAMAR HAM JOHN, NOW WAS PREARRANGED TWO TO THREE WEEKS PRIOR BY MAYOR ROLLINS.
THE MEETING WAS HELD ON THE FIRST FLOOR IN THE LOBBY FOR ALL TO SEE A TWO HOUR PLUS MEETING WHEN THEY RELEASED THE VIDEO OF THE MEETING.
MIND YOU, IT'S CAMERAS ALL OVER LIKE THIS.
THEY RELEASED FIVE, FIVE MINUTE VIDEO CLIPS.
TWO OF THE FIVE MINUTE VIDEO CLIPS WAS THE SAME WITH DIFFERENT TIMESTAMPS, BUT THEY TOOK OFF CORPORAL NER BEING ANTSY AND ANXIOUS BECAUSE THAT WAS SELF-INCRIMINATION.
THE BROTHER DIDN'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
BUT I CAN'T GIVE HIM NO EXCUSES.
HE CAN TESTIFY, KNOW WHERE HE IS.
SHE HAD THE CD SHE HAD THE 9 1 1 CALLS THAT END UP COMING UP MISSING.
THAT'S ALSO NOW MISSING IN DC 2 1 0 6 2 9 9 2 SEALED ENVELOPES WITH MEDICAL IMAGES OF MY BACK.
F B I FILES 9 1 1 CALLS, BODY CAM AND DASH CAM.
I'M KNOCKING ON DOORS, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF, BUT FOR POOR PEOPLE BEYOND RACE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT IN FEAR BECAUSE DALLAS, THEY COME AT YOU REAL HARD.
THEY USE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE YOU COME FROM WHERE YOU COME FROM TO SILENCE YOU, MA'AM.
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THANK YOU, MA'AM.OKAY, NOW WE, UM, I HAD A SLIP OF PAPER UP HERE THAT SAID WE HAD ANOTHER SPEAKER, BUT I'VE, UH, BEEN INFORMED THAT THAT SPEAKER, UH, IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO A TONIGHT.
SO WHEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH THE MEETING AND WHEN WE COME UP TO ITEM TWO A, UM, MR. LANE, OKAY, WE'LL CALL YOU UP.
OKAY? I AM SUPPOSED TO BE SPEAKING AND I'M ONLINE AND I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE I'M AT IN THE PROCESS.
MY NAME IS KIMBERLY JEFFERSON AND I HAVE MY SON TERESA JEFFERSON WITH ME.
UH, MS. JEFF, WE HAVE MS. JEFFERSON, WE HAVE YOU DOWN FOR ITEM TWO B.
AND IT WOULD BE MYSELF AND ALSO MY SON WHO WAS THERE ALSO.
OKAY, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE MOVING ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS IN JUNE? DAVID KITLER, MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I DO KNOW WELL, NOT, UH, ON ITEM TWO B, IT SAYS THE CHAIRMAN, WHAT IT SHOULD SAY, THE VICE CHAIRMAN, SINCE THE CHAIRMAN WAS NOT HERE.
BUT OTHERWISE I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
CAN WE GET A SECOND D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 SECOND.
UM, ANY, UH, LET'S PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE.
WE'RE GOOD WITH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES WITH, UH, THAT SMALL, UH, SLIGHT ADMIN MODIFICATION.
UH, BEFORE WE GET TO, UH, TWO FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, UH, TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME TWO NEW MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD, UH, FROM DISTRICT FIVE AND DISTRICT SIX.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
ALRIGHT, UM, MOVING ON TO ACTION ITEM, UH, TWO ALPHA.
UH, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS, UH, I JUST WANTED TO, TO, UH, SAY MY NAME FOR THE ROLE CHASE FOR NOT BE KERRY JUNIOR DISTRICT THREE.
UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING PRESENT, I THINK THE VICE CHAIR FOR, FOR, UH, PROCEEDING.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID, AND SO I WANTED TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE TODAY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE, WE GONNA HAVE MR. UM, DARNELL LANE SPEAK BEFORE WE, UM, PRESENT THE ITEM TWO A.
MR. WILLIAMS, UM, I KNOW, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE UP FOR ITEM TWO A.
CAN, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND TURN UP YOUR SPEAKER OR, 'CAUSE WE COULD BARELY HEAR YOU AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? SIR? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UH, MR. WILLIAMS, STAND BY ONE SECOND.
MR. LANE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
MY NAME IS DARNELL LANE AND I LIVE HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, DISTRICT THREE AREA.
I'M HERE TO HOLD DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE SPECIFIC LOCAL RETAIL FOOD CHAIN, SERIOUS PIZZA, RESPONSIBLE FOR A HEARING TO THEIR OATH TO UPHOLD POLICIES,
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PRACTICES, AND CODE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND CITY AMERICA DISABILITY ACT GUIDELINES.ALSO KNOWN AS A D A, NO ONE, INCLUDING MYSELF, SHOULD BE DENIED ACCESS WHILE ATTEMPTING TO GIVE RETAIL STORES A FEDERAL OR STATE IDENTIFICATION CARD, LEGAL, MEDICAL, PROFESSIONAL DOCUMENTS, OR DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS TO UTILIZE THEIR STAFF OR PUBLIC RESTROOMS DUE TO THEIR DISABILITY.
IF A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT CHOOSES TO IGNORE A PERSON WHO IS TRYING TO PRESENT SUCH DOCUMENTS, THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHY A D A IS IN PLACE.
WHILE SERVING AS A SERGEANT IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY, I WAS DEPLOYED TO AFGHANISTAN, KUWAIT, AND IRAQ, WHERE I SUSTAINED LOW EXTREMITY LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES THAT LED TO ME SPECIFIC DISABILITIES.
BECAUSE OF THOSE WOUNDS AND INJURIES, I HAD TO BE MEDEVACED OUTTA COMBAT IN A TWO-WAY WOUNDER WARRIOR BATTALION UNIT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF WHERE I HAD TO UNDERGO SURGERIES REGARDING MY LOWER EXTREMITIES, MY LIFE HAS CHANGED, DRASTICALLY CHANGED, AND HAS BEEN A CONSTANT FIGHT.
HAVING TO EXPLAIN MYSELF ABOUT MY DISABILITY JUST TO GET ASSISTANCE FROM PUBLIC SERVANTS AND PRIVATE BUSINESSES.
THIS BATTLE LEADS ME IN CONSTANT DEPRESSION AND SUICIDAL AT TIMES BECAUSE OF THE SHAME OF ASKING STRANGERS FOR HELP WHILE I'M PUBLIC AND NOT HAVING A NORMAL LIFE ANYMORE.
A POLICE OFFICER HIRED TO WORK FOR PROPERTY OWNED COMPANIES, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MEANS THEY ONLY ANSWER TO THE FOLLOWING COMPANY'S INSTRUCTIONS.
RATHER, I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SET FORTH FOR THE PROTECTION SERVICE DEESCALATION AND ASSISTANCE OF CITIZENS AND CITIZENS WITH DISABILITY CHANGES IS NEEDED IF THERE IS NO SUCH POLICY IN PLACE AMONG DALLAS BUSINESSES AND DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
2023 HAS SERIOUS PEACE WITH THEM REFUSING TO GRAMMY ACCESS TO THE TOILETS DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS.
DESPITE MY DISABILITY AND MY POLITE PLEA FOR ASSISTANCE FROM TWO UNIFORM DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS INSIDE SIRIUS PIZZA, THEY FAILED ME.
AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FAILED ME.
TWO DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS DIS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ME AND DECLINED TO ASSIST ME IN BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN MYSELF AND SIR PIZZA MANAGER BY NOT GIVING ME COURTESY OF CHECKING MY ID AND MY SUPPORTING MEDICAL DOCUMENTS.
NOR DID THEY TRY TO DATE DEESCALATE THE MATTER THAT IT WOULD ALLOW ME ACCESS TO SIR PIZZA OF RESTROOMS DURING THEIR REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS.
I THEN HAD TO CALL 9 1 1 TO ASSIST, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO SHOW UP AND RESPOND IN TIME.
AS A RESULT OF THIS NEGLECT, I HAD TO ENDURE URINE AND BOWEL LEAKAGE RIGHT INSIDE THE RESTAURANT AS UNITED STATES ARMY, RETIRED SERGEANT, I HAD TO HIRE EXPECTATIONS FROM THE CITY.
PLEASE HEAR ME WHEN I ASK ALL TO MAKE CHANGE SO NO ONE WITH A DISABILITY WILL ENDURE WHAT I HAD TO ENDURE.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
MR. MR. LANE IS REQUESTING THAT WE REVIEW HIS COMPLAINT AT OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, SORRY ABOUT THE ECHO.
WE ALSO HAVE MEMBERS OF D P D INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, THAT WILL BE ON THE LINE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND FACTS OF, OF THE, OF THESE TWO CASES.
UM, MR. LANE IS INCIDENT TYPE IS THE I A D COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION, I A D NUMBER E C 20 23 6 0 6 0 3 AND NI 20 23 5 22.
UM, THE, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATIVE DEPARTMENT IS THE UNIT DOING THE INVESTIGATION.
THE DE THE DEPOSITION IS
WE HAVE TWO OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATIVE DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE, IS I A D THE ALLEGATION IS DISCOURTEOUS AND UNPROFESSIONALISM AND BODY-WORN CAMERA
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VIOLATION POLICY.THE, UM, SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT COMPLAINANT ALLEGES THAT OFFICERS WOULD NOT ACCOMMODATE THIS AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT APPROVAL PAPERWORK, E P D, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIVE SUMMARY STATES, AFTER REVIEW OF INFORMATION PROVIDED, WE ARE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DE DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
AS A RESULT, IT'S DETERMINED THAT NO INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED.
THE SECOND CASE, MISS MR. LANE HAS, IS PRETTY MUCH A DUPLICATE.
THE DEPOSITION IS NO INVESTIGATION OR FAIR TO ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT WHICH REQUIRES AN INVESTIGATION.
THERE WAS NO OFFICER THAT WAS NAMED THE SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT.
MR. LANE DID NOT ARTICULATE A NEW COMPLAINT INVOLVING ANY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION SUMMARY.
AFTER REVIEWING THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN YOUR LETTER, YOU FAILED TO ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT THAT, THAT WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AN INVESTIGATION BY OUR OFFICE.
NOW, CHAIRMAN OF BOARD MEMBERS, MR. MR. LANE, WHEN TALKING TO THE OFFICERS, NEITHER ONE HAD A BODY-WORN CAMERA ON BECAUSE I, I ASSUME IF THEY ARE OFF DUTY OFFICERS WORKING IN A PRIVATE BUSINESS, BUT WE DO HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA OF THE OFFICERS.
ONCE MR. LANE HAD LEFT AND SAW HIMSELF AND LEFT THE SITUATION, LEFT THE BUSINESS OFFICERS WHO WERE CALLED OUT, WE HAVE BODY CAMERA OF THEM AND THEIR ACTIONS WITH THE MANAGER AND I WILL PLAY THEM, UM, RIGHT NOW.
ARE THERE, UH, ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS TO PLAY A VIDEO? OH, OH, HE IS GETTING READY TO PLAY A VIDEO OR ROGER, MR. WILLIAMS. IT'S PRETTY HARD TO HEAR YOU, BUT, UM, THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO PLAY A VIDEO.
I JUST, IN CASE YOU ALL COULDN'T HEAR IT, THE TWO OFFICERS THAT WERE WORKING WERE, I THINK WORKING LIKE, UM, THEY WERE OFF DUTY.
THEY WERE WORKING SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT, YOU KNOW, UM, AS SECURITY AS SIRIUS PIZZA.
SO THEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERA ON, BUT A UNIT DID RESPOND.
UM, AND WE WANNA SHOW YOU THE INTERACTION WITH THAT UNIT AND WITH THE OTHER OFFICERS THAT WERE THERE.
'CAUSE WE THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO MR. LANE'S CONCERNS.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT TWO MINUTES LONG, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL INTERACTION BETWEEN MR. LANE AND THE OFFICERS.
SOMEBODY THEY P****D THEMSELVES BECAUSE YOU, YOU GUYS MADE A GUY LET HIM USE THE, AND THEN HE CALLS BACK AND SAYS IT'S OKAY.
HE DOESN'T PD ANYMORE BECAUSE HE SOIL MR. WILLIAMS, MAYBE YOU CAN PLAY THAT AGAIN.
IT'S A LITTLE, IT WAS A LITTLE DISTORTED.
I THINK THAT THE, THE CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT BETWEEN, SO THE, THE TWO, THE OFFICER'S HAMMERS THAT YOU'RE WATCHING RESPONDED, AND THE TWO OFFICERS THAT THEY'RE WALKING UP TO ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY INTERACTED WITH MR. LANE.
BUT THE CONVERSATION, I THINK IS, WOULD BE RELEVANT FOR THE BOARD.
SO CAN CAN IT BE HEARD? I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.
THEY COULDN'T HEAR ANY OF THE CONVERSATION TO BE HEARD ON THE VIDEO.
IT CAN BE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THEM TO PLAY IT AGAIN.
YOU CAN HEAR THE CONVERSATION ON THE VIDEO.
IS THERE A TRANSCRIPTION BY CHANCE OR YEAH, YEAH.
ARE YOU, CAN YOU, MR. WILLIAMS, DO YOU WANNA SUMMARIZE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SUMMARIZE IT? YOU CAN HEAR THE CONVERSATION, BUT THERE IS NO TRANSCRIPT OF IT.
BUT COULD YOU JUST SUMMARIZE A HARD TIME HEARING ANYTHING FROM HIM? OKAY.
CAN IT NOT BE, HEY, MR. WILLIAMS, TRY THE VIDEO AGAIN.
MAYBE, UM, MAYBE LOWER, MAYBE LOWER THE VOLUME A LITTLE BIT.
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YEAH, I MIGHT AS WELL ALWAYS HAVE VIDEO REPORT STILL HERE.WELL, YOU GUYS CAUGHT MAKING MAN CALLS.
SOMEBODY CALLING OUT ONE TO P****D THEMSELVES.
YOU GUYS MADE A GUY KEY HIMSELF.
YEAH, HE GOT, HE GOT, HE GOT HIT.
GUYS WOULDN'T LET HIM USE THE LAST, AND THEN HE CALLS BACK AND SAID, IT'S OKAY.
HE DOESN'T ME ANYMORE BECAUSE HE'S SOILED.
SO WERE WE ABLE TO HEAR THAT ANYMORE? IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF HIM.
SO WHEN, SO WHEN THE FEMALE, SO WHEN THE FEMALE OFFICER WALKED IN, SHE SAID TO THE TWO OFFICERS THAT INTERACTED WITH LAN, SHE SAID, YOU GUYS MADE A GUY PEE HIMSELF.
AND THEN THEY WERE JUST LAUGHING AND JOKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAD INTERACTED WITH SOMEONE THAT PEED THE HIMSELF.
SHE'S LIKE, YOU GUYS MADE, YOU GUYS MADE SOMEBODY PEE THEMSELVES.
AND THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH LAUGHTER ABOUT THAT SITUATION WHEN Y'ALL HEARD THE PART WHERE SHE SAID ALSO HE SOILED HIS PANTS AND ET CETERA.
UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR D P T.
UM, WHO, WHO'S ONLINE FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS? LIEUTENANT ANTHONY GREER.
ALL RIGHT, MR. GREER, WE'VE GOT BOARD MEMBERS HAVE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, UH, VIDEO WE JUST SAW AND THE, AND THE, UM, CONVERSATION HEARD ON BODY CAMERA, BODY-WORN CAMERA.
UH, I I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE OFF DUTY LIKE THESE TWO POLICE OFFICERS WERE, DO THEY STILL HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES AS A POLICE OFFICER TO ENFORCE THE LAW? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, HOW, HOW, HOW CAN YOU CONDONE THE LAUGHTER AND THE COMMENTS? I THINK FIRST WE NEED TO BREAK THE, BREAK IT UP INTO TWO SECTIONS.
THE FIRST SECTION IS PERTINENT TO, UH, MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT.
HIS COMPLAINT WAS THAT THE OFFICERS THAT WERE THERE WHEN HE ARRIVED DID NOT LET HIM USE THE RESTROOM.
EXTERIOR
THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE COMPLAINT.
WELL, LET, LET ME ASK, CAN I STOP YOU RIGHT THERE AND JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND? YES, SIR.
WHAT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS ON THE A D A ON THIS, BUT, UM, IS IT A VIOLATION OF THE LAW IN THE SITUATION DESCRIBED TO NOT ALLOW HIM TO USE THE EMPLOYEE BATHROOM? DO YOU KNOW? WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK IN, LOOK INTO THE ADA, A PAPERWORK.
WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT A VIOLATION OF LAWS SUCH THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANY OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE A CITATION OR ENFORCE THAT LAW? YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO DEL DUB THE DEEPER INTO THAT.
I CAN'T THERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT? OKAY, MR. GR, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT LAST PIECE, PLEASE? WAS THAT DIRECTED TO ME? YES, I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSE.
WE'LL HAVE TO DIG DEEPER INTO THAT AND FIND OUT THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE A D H, UH, FEDERAL LAW AS IT APPLIES TO USING A PRIVATE RESTROOM.
LET ME JUST REMIND BOARD MEMBERS.
I SEE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WITH RED, THAT MEANS YOUR MIC'S ON.
IF YOU CAN CUT YOUR MIC OFF AND KEEP YOUR MIC OFF.
AND THEN ALSO, EVERYBODY THAT'S ONLINE, FOR SOME REASON, IT PROBABLY NOT YOU GUYS 'CAUSE IT'S ALL OF YOU.
SO, LIEUTENANT GREER, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER.
UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE JUST HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU IN YOUR RESPONSES.
MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THE CONDUCT OF THE OFFICERS IN THE LAUGHTER AND, AND THE COMMENTS REGARDING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COMPLAINANT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT D P D WOULD UM SAY IS OKAY CONDUCT? WE DON'T, WE DON'T CONDONE THAT CONDUCT, BUT CERTAINLY IT WAS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF MR. LANE.
NEITHER WAS ANYONE ELSE PRESENT.
IT WAS BETWEEN OFFICERS THERE ON SCENE.
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EXCUSE ME.UH, MR. GREER, UM, THERE, THERE'S A SAYING THAT SAYS, UM, INTEGRITY IS DOING THE RIGHT THING, UM, WHEN NO ONE'S THERE TO SEE IT OR HEAR IT.
UM, THAT, THAT ANSWER THAT YOU GAVE REGARDING THE SECOND, UM, UH, PART OF THIS, UH, COMPLAINT, UM, IT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO, UM, MS. WATTS.
UH, MS. LAUREN GI GILBERT SMITH.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE OFFICERS ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LAW, THE FEDERAL LAW REGARDING DISABILITIES? HELLO? HI.
UM, SO REGARDING THE A D A, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR THOSE OFFICERS WERE WITH THAT PORTION, SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE OFFICERS REFUSING TO READ THE CARD AS WHEN HE PRESENTED IT WAS FOLLOWING POLICY PROCEDURES? SO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL HAVE TO REVIEW WHEN IT COMES TO A D A AND HOW THAT IS APPLIED.
AND, AND SEE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE SERVANTS OF THE CITIZENS AND BY REFUSING TO COOPERATE THAT THEY'RE VIOLATING A POLICY.
AND THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION.
UH, MR. MAPLES, UH, DISTRICT TWO.
UH, UH, MR. GREER, UH, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO ONE THERE THAT HEARD THAT, BUT THERE WAS, I'M A UNITED STATES MARINE RETIRED.
I HEARD IT, AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY APPALLING BECAUSE I GOT FRIENDS WHO ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION, AND THAT ABSOLUTELY TURNED MY STOMACH.
UM, DO WE KNOW IF HE WAS, IF, IF MR. LANE WAS A CUSTOMER OR IF MR. LANE JUST HAD TO USE THE RESTROOM? AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS, IS DO THEY LET ONLY CUSTOMERS USE THEIR RESTROOM? YEAH.
THAT WASN'T SPECIFIED IN HIS LETTER.
UM, YEAH, I, I JUST, I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY APPALLING TO TREAT ONE OF OUR VETERANS THAT WAY.
AND, AND YES, SOMEONE DID HEAR IT.
I WASN'T THERE THAT EVENING, BUT I HEARD IT NOW AND IT RATTLES ME JUST AS MUCH.
I ALSO SPEAK DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT SIX, THE FLOOR.
I'M LOOKING AT A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WAS, UM, AS OLD AS WHEN HALL, UH, CHIEF HALL WAS HERE BACK IN, IN 2012.
THE NEW, A NEW ONE HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP, BUT READING FOUR POINT 11, IT SAYS, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL AT ANY TIME RIDICULE, MOCK THE RIDE, TAUNT OR BELITTLE ANY PERSON.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DALLAS POLICE.
THE SECOND ONE SAYS FOUR POINT 12 SAYS, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL WILLINGFULLY EMBARRASSED, HUMILIATE OR SHAME ANY PERSON.
SO EVEN IF HE HAD NOT EVEN SHOWED THE CARD, HE'S STILL A PERSON.
HE HAD, HE DIDN'T NEED TO DIS UM, TALK ABOUT HIS DISABILITY.
HE JUST NEEDED TO BE A PERSON.
AND ALSO ON FOUR POINT 16 IT SAID, NO EMPLOYEE.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DALLAS, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND REMEMBER, THIS IS A OLD CODE OF CONDUCT THAT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED.
IT SAYS NO EMPLOYEE WILL MAKE ANY COMMENT OR EXPRESSION, EITHER WRITTEN OR ORAL, WHICH WOULD DERIVE, DEMEAN, CONDEMN, OR RIDICULE ANY PERSON BASED UPON THEIR RACE, ETHNICITY, SEX, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, EITHER ON DUTY OR OFF DUTY, OR ON OFF DUTY.
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SO, ONCE AGAIN, IT, IT WAS, IT IS NEVER ALL RIGHT FOR THAT TO HAVE HAPPENED FROM A DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, EMPLOYEE.WELL, IT DIDN'T TAKE BUT A BRIEF GOOGLE SEARCH TO FIND OUT.
THIS IS CALLED ALLIE'S LAW, A L L Y SS LAW.
IT IS RECOGNIZED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UM, AND WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT, UM, REQUIRES ALL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS TO ALLOW PEOPLE WITH CERTAIN MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF DIGESTIVE ISSUES, UM, TO HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO AN EMPLOYEE RESTROOM IF NO PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE AVAILABLE AND MAY HAVE AN URGENT NEED.
SO ALL HE HAD TO DO IS VOICE THAT URGENT NEED, SHOW THIS CARD, AND THE POLICE OFFICER SHOULD HAVE ASSISTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE AWARE.
THIS IS A LAW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND, AND MR. KITNER, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING WAS SAID.
I, I, WHEN WE SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO US, IT SAYS NO VIOLATION WAS FOUND, BUT WE'RE NEVER TOLD WHY.
AND IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT IN THOSE SITUATIONS FOR US TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
SO I WOULD URGE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND JUST SAYING, NO POLICY VIOLATION WAS FOUND TO ARTICULATE YOUR REASON FOR IT.
AND THIS GETS BACK TO WHAT MS. WADSWORTH JUST SAID.
IF IT'S A VIOLATION AND YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW IT, HOW COULD YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF POLICY.
YOU'RE SITTING HERE TELLING US YOU'RE GONNA LOOK INTO IT.
MS. WADSWORTH TOOK A MINUTE, FOUND IT, BUT YET YOU TOLD US THERE WAS NO VIOLATION.
THIS JUST SEEMS TO BE A TOTAL BREAKDOWN.
AND I WOULD URGE YOU, AS YOU DO THESE INVESTIGATIONS, TAKE 'EM SERIOUSLY AND TELL US WHY THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF POLICY.
JUST DON'T SAY IT AS A A FACT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
IT LEAVES US HANGING WITHOUT ANYTHING TO GO ON.
MR. DAVIDSON FLOOR SERVICE? UH, YES.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION AGAIN FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, KIND OF FOLLOWING, UH, BOARD MEMBER KITNER'S, WHY QUESTION? AND JUST THE, THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS WE ALL WATCHED THIS VIDEO RIGHT NOW, UH, OF THE RIDICULE THAT HAPPENED, UH, POST THIS EVENT ON THE BODY WORN CAMERA.
DID YOU IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS, HA DID YOU SEE THIS VIDEO BEFORE, UH, TODAY AND WHILE YOU WERE CONDUCTING THE INVESTIGATION, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN IT? YES.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT VIDEO.
AND THE REASON, IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT VIDEO WAS BECAUSE THE, THE MR. LANE'S SPECIFIC COMPLAINT WAS FOR A SPECIFIC TIME.
AGAIN, MR. LANE WAS NOT PRESENT WHEN THOSE COMMENTS WERE MADE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT APPROPRIATE COMMENTS.
SO IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THOSE OFFICERS, I'M SORRY.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE SEEN THIS VIDEO THAT JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM WHAT I'M HEARING.
THAT IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS VIDEO.
BUT AGAIN, THE ACTIONS OF THOSE OFFICERS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT WHEN HE WAS THERE ON SCENE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO AS FAR AS THE BREADTH OF THE INVESTIGATIONS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS STRANGE TO ME THAT THE OFFICE
UH, MS. MS. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH FLOOR, YOURS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M, I'M, I'M OLD AND SOMETIMES I, I'M SLOW AND UNDERSTANDING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE WAS NO POLICY VIOLATION BECAUSE YOUR OFFICERS WERE IGNORANT OF THE LAW.
SO, I JUST WANNA ADD, THIS IS GIRL, SO I JUST WANNA ADD CLARIFICATION.
WHEN WE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT, WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE COMPLAINANT AND TO THE OFFICERS THAT YOU WAS A CARD THAT WAS BASED OUTTA WASHINGTON, WASHINGTON STATE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHY THEY DID NOT PURSUE IT ANY FURTHER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THE CARD WAS NOT ISSUED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, THEY WOULD NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAD
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A DISABILITY THAT REQUIRED OR GAVE HIM ACCESS TO THE RESTROOM? OH, THE, THE CARD THAT HE PRESENTED IS A CARD THAT HAS A WEBSITE AT THE BOTTOM, AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS STATE LAW.AND THE STATE LAW THAT THIS IS REFERENCING WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH WASHINGTON STATE LAW BECAUSE IT HAS THE WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION.
UH, GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WEB AT THE WEBSITE, AND IT'S GOING TO WASHINGTON STATE WEBSITE.
EARLIER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT DELVING DEEPER INTO IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FEDERAL LAW.
UM, AND SO IT'S, I GUESS FOR WHAT HE PRESENTED IS A STATE LAW, WASHINGTON.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT FEDERAL LAW.
THE OTHER QUESTION, SO IF I'M DRIVING IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND I HAVE A NEW YORK DRIVER'S LICENSE, THEN MY LICENSE IS INVALID.
WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT, THIS IS A, A STATE LAW FOR, UM, HEALTH, HEALTH WEBSITE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRIVER'S LICENSE.
IF IT WAS ISSUED BY THE STATE, IT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED THAT HE HAS A DISABILITY, JUST LIKE YOU ARE ISSUED A LICENSE TO DRIVE.
HE WAS ISSUED THAT CERTIFICATE SO THAT ANYONE READING IT WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAD THE DISABILITY.
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW AN OFFICER OF THE LAW TO SERVE PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN, IN WASHINGTON.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING HERE.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR YES, MR. CHAIRMAN IA REGARDING THIS? OKAY, MR. FRIEDMAN, THIS FLOOR IS YOURS.
UM, YEAH, JUST, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, UH, THIS WEEK, I, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE NOT A VERY BIG DEAL.
AND THEN NOW THAT WE'VE SEEN THE VIDEO, THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT, I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT PERCEPTION OF THIS.
UM, I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH HERE ON THE LAW AND NOBODY REALLY UNDERSTANDS THE LAW.
UM, ESPECIALLY THE SPECIFICS OF, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL A D A VERSUS WASHINGTON STATE LAW VERSUS TEXAS STATE LAW, THE VALIDITY OF THIS WASHINGTON CARD AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT COULD BE ENFORCED, UH, BY, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UH, SO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO SAY, UH, I, AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR MOST PEOPLE WHO'VE SEEN THAT VIDEO, THAT IT'S PRETTY HORRIFIC IF THIS, IF THIS ALL BEARS OUT, UH, IF MR. LANE'S STORY, UH, IS AS HE DESCRIBES, IF HIS BACKGROUND IS AS HE DESCRIBES, UH, I THINK WE ALL SAW THE, THE SAME THING ON THAT VIDEO OF HOW THE OFFICERS TREATED HIM.
AND, UH, MR. REEVES, YOUR POINT ABOUT, UH, INTEGRITY IS, IS WHAT YOU DO AND NOBODY'S LUCKING IS, UH, UH, VERY RELEVANT HERE.
I KNOW I'VE TALKED TOO MUCH, BUT I, I, I FEEL AS I HEAR THIS, THIS IS JUST A LOT OF JUSTIFICATION FOR A BAD SITUATION AND A BAD INVESTIGATION.
LET'S JUST CALL IT WHAT IT WAS IN MY VIEW.
UH, YOU'RE SAYING HE HAD A CARD FROM WASHINGTON.
DID YOU EVEN TALK TO THE OFFICERS AND SEE IF THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THEY DIDN'T LET HIM USE THE BATHROOM? THEY THOUGHT IT WAS INVALID.
I'M JUST HEARING THINGS THAT ARE BEING TOLD TO US AS WE GO ALONG.
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
MOST OF THE TIME YOU DIDN'T HEAR, AND YOU SHOULD JUST OWN UP TO IT.
UM, YEAH, I, I'VE, UH, I, I'M WITH, UH, MR. FRIEDMAN ON THIS ONE.
UM, IN THAT, WHEN I REVIEWED, UM, THE DOCUMENTS ON THIS CASE, UM, THAT WERE PROVIDED OVER, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, THAT I REVIEWED THEM THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
UM, THAT IT WAS A, IT WAS GOING TO BE A, UM, UH, AN ESTABLISHMENT, UH, IN AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT'S GOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AND TRY, YOU KNOW, USING THE BATHROOM AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
AND I GET IT, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AND WHATNOT.
UM, BUT AFTER HAVING, UM, READ OR LISTENED TO MR. LANE, AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOUR GUYS', UM, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, ATTEMPTED JUSTIFICATION AS TO WHY THIS, THIS IS A, UH, WHY THIS WAS, OKAY.
AND SECOND, UH, THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS DIDN'T EVEN KNOW OR REVIEW THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOR, UH, THAT THAT GOES INTO THE SECOND PART OF THIS CASE.
NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE MR. KITNER
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SAID, YOU GUYS DO A A GREAT JOB A LOT OF TIMES.UM, BUT ON THIS ONE, UM, YOU GUYS DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS ONE AND YOU NEED TO OWN IT.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL STOP WITH THAT COMMENT.
I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP NOW FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER ONE OF ITEM TWO.
UH, THIS IS JASON CARRY JUNIOR DISTRICT THREE.
I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER ONE.
ROGER, ROGER, WE GOT A, A MOTION, UH, FOR CASE, UH, MOTION TO DO CASE NUMBER ONE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? JONATHAN, DISTRICT 10 A ALAN MARSHALL DISTRICT.
UM, MOVING ON TO A MOTION TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER TWO REGARDING
ALRIGHT, CAN I GET A, CAN, CAN I GET A, UM, UH, CAN I GET A VOTE ON, UH, CASE NUMBER ONE? AYE.
AYES HAVE IT MOTION, UH, FOR, UH, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR CASE NUMBER ONE ON TWO A IS APPROVED.
JUNIOR DISTRICT THREE, I MOVE FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF CASE NUMBER TWO.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR SECOND, AND, UH, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH SECOND.
UH, ANY, ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? OKAY.
VOTE ON, UH, ON MOTION TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER TWO.
WE WILL DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER TWO FOR MR. DIELLE LANE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION, SIR.
UM, AS A, UH, AS YOU GOT A FEW AFGHAN, UH, VETERANS, UH, ON THIS BOARD, WHO, UM, WHO, WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, UM, A LOT OF TIMES THAT THIS IS A PERSONAL MATTER FOR US, BUT, UH, IT'S ALSO A STRUGGLE THAT WE DEAL WITH, UM, OUT IN PUBLIC AS WELL.
SO, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
AND, UH, D P D IF YOUR OFFICERS ARE GONNA WEAR, UM, UNIFORMS AND DO, UH, PRIVATE WORK, YOU NEED TO STAND FOR, UH, DP THAT D P D UNIFORM FIRST.
MOVING ON TO, UM, MAN, THIS ONE GOT ME HOT.
UM, THIS ONE, UH, MOVING ON TO ACTION ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS, UH, KIMBERLY AND RACIA JEFFERSON.
UM, YES, I KNOW WE, WE HAVE THEM ONLINE.
UM, MS. MS. JEFFERSON, UH, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT YOU NEED TO MAKE? UH, WELL, FIRST I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE BOTH FILLED OUT WHEN WE CAME TO THE DEPARTMENT TO READ.
AS FAR AS THE STATEMENT THAT I WANT TO, UH, MAKE, 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, FROM THE POINT OF NO, ME FINDING OUT LATER THAT THE GUY THAT WE WERE RENTING FROM IS A KNOWN FELON AND DRUG DEALER.
I'VE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED IN MY 54 YEARS OF LIFE.
I'VE ALWAYS ABIDED BY THE LAW.
I'M A LICENSED REALTOR WITH A DISABILITY.
UH, WE FOLLOWED EVERYTHING HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
WE HAD AN ATTORNEY TO HANDLE THE, HANDLE, THE CIVIL ACTION, UH, HIM NOT GIVING OUR TRUCKS BACK TO US.
UM, THE OFFICERS, THE DAY THEY PULLED GUNS ON US, UM, DID NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO I HEARD A CIVIL ATTORNEY, THE CIVIL ATTORNEY SAID THAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID WE COULD COME GET OUR THINGS AND WE COULD ASK FOR A POLICE.
WE ASKED FOR A POLICE STANDBY.
THEY CAME OUT, UM, UP ON ARRIVING.
I NEVER DID GET THEIR FULL NAME.
THE LADY AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE AVOIDING OF GIVING, YOU KNOW, THEIR INFORMATION.
AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUR, OUR TRUCKS AND OUR TRAILER, OUR TRUCK WAS STILL STOLEN.
HEY, MS. JEFFERSON, THE TRAILER WAS MS. JEFFERSON.
IF I MAY, JUST REAL QUICK, UM, CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON? YES.
AND THIS, LET ME SEE IF I CAN SEND MY VIDEO.
I'M ACTUALLY A ACTIVE POLICE OFFICER IN THE STATE
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OF TEXAS.I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER SIX YEARS.
AND I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT FOR WORKING FROM TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST BAFFLING EXPERIENCE I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED IN PRACTICE AS A POLICE OFFICER.
I HAVE TO SIT HERE AND MAKE A PLAY BEFORE A BOARD BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SHOWED, THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW AND JUST THE ALL OUT, JUST IGNORANCE OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IT'S BAFFLING AS A SIX YEAR POLICE OFFICER, I COULD NEVER IMAGINE TREATING AN INDIVIDUAL HOW MY MOM WAS TREATED OR HOW SOME OF THESE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WERE TREATED TODAY AS A POLICE OFFICER.
AND BACK TO, UM, SOON AS THEY DROVE UP, THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE ALL DAY.
WE HAD TO WAIT FOR A TOW TRUCK TO COME.
UM, THE GENTLEMAN CAME IN BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF STOLEN MERCHANDISE ON OUR TRAILER.
SO I ASKED THE OFFICER TO LOOK INSIDE AND I TOLD HER IT WASN'T OUR STUFF.
AND SHE DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT ANY MORE EVIDENCE OF THAT.
WHEN THE OWNER ACTUALLY GOT THERE, BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT US TAKING THE TRAILER, HE TOLD THEM TO ARREST ME FOR CRIMINALLY TRESPASSING.
AND I NEVER WAS WARNED I HAD A LEASE TO BE AT THAT PROPERTY.
THE OFFICER BECAME THE ON SITE, BECAME THE JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER.
AND, UM, WE, UH, HE WANTED TO RECEIVE RECEIPTS FROM MY SON, BUT NOTHING FROM THAT MAN WHEN WE CLEARLY HAD A LEASE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A LEASE, THERE ARE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
THEY LEFT ME IN THAT CAR OVER TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
I HAVE A, A, A DISABILITY WITH MY BLOOD PRESSURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHERE I'VE HAD A MEN STROKE.
THEY LEFT ME IN THE BACK OF THAT CAR.
I HAD TO WIPE MY FACE ON THE SEAT BECAUSE I COULDN'T TURN AND MOVE BECAUSE THE HANDCUFFS WERE IMPINGED IN MY WRIST.
I KEPT TELLING THE GUY THAT THESE THINGS HURT.
HE CAME OVER AND LOOKED AND HE SAID THAT SHE DID NOT DOUBLE LOCK THEM IN THE PROCESS OF THEM NOT DOUBLE LOCKING THEM, I HAVE A PERMANENT WRIST INJURY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO SEE AN ORTHOPEDIC, UH, UH, UH, WRIST SURGEON FOR.
THEY LEFT ME IN THE CAR AND I TOLD 'EM I DID NOT WANNA LEAVE WITHOUT MY THINGS BECAUSE WE FOLLOWED ALL THE PROCEDURES.
THEY TOLD ME THAT WE WERE GETTING THEM, BUT THEN THEY PROCEEDED, UH, THEY PROCEEDED TO TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES, THE CAPTAIN THAT CA WELL THE SERGEANT THAT CAME OUT AND THE TWO OFFICERS THAT CAME UP, THEY WAS FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE CAR THAT THE GENTLEMAN CAME OVER TO THE SIDE OF THE CAR AND TOLD ME HE WAS GONNA KILL ME.
I'VE BEEN SCARED FOR MY LIFE AND SINCE HE DID THAT, AND I FEEL THAT THEY DID NOT EVEN PROTECT ME, EVEN THOUGH I PAID DALLAS TAXES.
SO YOUR, UM, YOUR TIME IS UP ON, UH, ON SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM.
I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY OUR STAFF THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES RUNNING THE AUDIO AND VIDEO, UM, IN SUPPORT OF, UM, TWO B, UH, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SPEAK ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ON RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ACTUALLY TABLE THIS ONE SO THAT WE TABLE THIS, THIS, UM, UH, THIS ITEM TO BE BROUGHT UP IN NEXT MONTH'S MEETING SO THAT OUR STAFF HERE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REVIEW AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE ALL THE VIDEO AND AUDIO ASSOCIATED WITH TWO B.
DOES THAT WORK WITH YOU? DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? YES.
WE'VE TRIED TO OURSELF OPEN RECORDS AND OBTAIN IT AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING THE, THE RUNAROUND DRAGGED DOWN PROCESS.
WE TRYING TO GET IT, WE TRIED TO ACTUALLY GET THAT FOR YOU GUYS EVEN AFTER, EVEN BEFORE THE I INVESTIGATION.
WE WERE TOLD AFTER TO THEY WERE DONE, WE WOULD GET A COPY OF EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY BRING THAT FOR YOU,
BUT WE'VE BEEN GETTING
WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY 30 DAYS FROM TODAY, UH, TO CONTINUE, UH, PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN, SO WE CAN REALLY REVIEW IT.
'CAUSE WHAT WE WANNA DO IS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS REVIEWED, UM, IS, IS, UM, IS ACCURATE, ACCURATE FOR YOU AND ALSO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO KNOWING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE DEAL.
MAKE SENSE? WELL, I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS, IF I COULD GET A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM TWO B, UH, TO MR. CHAIR.
THIS IS
I MOVE THAT WE TABLE CASE TO BE TO THE SEPTEMBER BOARD MEETING DISTRICT 15.
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UH, YES.YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE NOW.
CAN I GET A, CAN I GET A VERBAL, A VERBAL VOTE? AYE AYE AYE AYE.
WE ARE TABLING ITEM TWO B TO THE SEPTEMBER, UH, C P O B MEETING.
WILL YOU GUYS GIVE US A NOTICE FOR THAT NEXT ONE? OBJECTION.
WHAT? MR. JEFFERSON? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I'M SORRY.
WILL WE BE GETTING A NOTICE FOR WHEN THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE DONE? YES.
MS. MS. MCCLARY OFFICE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THAT, ON THAT PART.
IF YOU WANNA PUT, THANK YOU SO MUCH BOARD, IF YOU WANNA PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR, WE'LL STILL SEND YOU SOMETHING.
IT'S SEPTEMBER 12TH AT FIVE 30.
WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU ON SEPTEMBER 12TH.
SO JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS, UM, YOU HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK, THERE WERE LIKE EIGHT OR NINE OFFICERS OUT THERE AND TRYING TO GET ALL OF THAT DOWNLOADED.
WE JUST WERE HAVING A LOT OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
SO WE WILL START WORKING NOW SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN HAVE IT IN TIME, BUT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO C, THE O C P O POLICY REVIEW OF D P D, PROTEST AND USE OF FORCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS PART TWO.
MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU SEE IF THERE, IF CAPTAIN BURNS IS ON THE LINE AND IF SO, CAN HE BE MOVED OVER? YES MA'AM.
SEE IF ON THIS AGENDA, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
HERE, UH, JUST TECHNICALITY,
SEE, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT, MCCLARY AS OF RIGHT NOW, CAPTAIN BURNS IS NOT, YOU DON'T SEE CAPTAIN BURNS ONCE AGAIN.
MS. MCCLARY, CAPTAIN BURNS IS NINE ON ONE.
I, MR. CAPTAIN BARN SAYS MS ON, YOU CAN SEE YOU JUST HAVE TO BURN.
SO CAN SEE WHERE YOU, ARE YOU UNDER YOUR NAME MR. WILLIAMS? HE'S SAYING HIS CAMERA IS ON.
I'M ASSUMING HE'S FOLLOWING THE ATTENDEE.
SO WE CAN MOVE HIM OVER MCCLARY.
DO YOU SEE A KJ? HE SAID HE'S, HE'S UNDER THE ATTENDEE'S THE ONLY ONE UNDER ATTENDEE AND IT KJ THERE IJ CAMERA'S ON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAPTAIN BURNS IS PRESENT.
WE CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN HEAR YOU SIR.
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UM, WHILE CAPTAIN'S TRYING TO GET HIS CAMERA ON, UH, CAPTAIN KEVIN BURNS, YOU ALL REMEMBER HE, UH, DID THIS PRESENTATION WITH ME IN MAY WHERE WE BROUGHT YOU PART, UM, A OF THE POLICY REVIEW DURING THAT TIME WE HAD LOOKED AT, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE GENERAL ORDERS AROUND USE OF FORCE AND OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.AND SO WE TOLD YOU THAT WE WOULD BRING YOU BACK PART TWO, WHICH IS THEIR POLICIES ON, UM, ON, ON UM, RESPONSES AND CONTINUUMS AND THE USE OF FORCE.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAPTAIN BURNS AND I WERE HAPPY TO SAY IS THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS POLICY THAT A LOT OF WHAT DALLAS HAS IN THIS RESPONSE TO CONTINUUM, WHICH HAS TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, OC SPRAY PEPPER BALLS, UM, A LOT OF THE, UM, IMPACT WEAPONS, ET CETERA, ACTUALLY ARE IN LINE WITH 21ST CENTURY POLICING.
UM, AND SO WE WERE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK CAPTAIN TO KIND OF CHIME IN, UM, WHEN HE WANTS TO ADD SOME COMMENTS AS WELL.
SO WE SENT YOU GUYS, WE LOOKED AT SECTION THE NINE HUNDREDS, WHICH IS A RESPONSE TO CONTINUING SECTION UNDER THE DALLAS, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GENERAL ORDERS.
AND SO WE KIND OF JUST WENT LITERALLY IN ORDER AND IF WE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, WE KIND OF BROUGHT THAT TO YOU GUYS.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE PICKED OUT WAS SECTION 9 0 1 0.02.
AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WAS WHO WAS CONSIDERED A NON-SWORN PERSONNEL.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE RES WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO THAT IS, IS BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THOSE PEOPLE TO INTERVENE INDIAN CASE THAT THEY THINK THAT THE FORCE IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
SO I'M SURE THAT SOMEWHERE IN THESE GENERAL ORDERS, D P D PROBABLY DOES DEFINE WHO A NON-SWORN PERSON IS.
BUT WHAT WE FIND HELPFUL IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO EITHER SAY, REFER TO SECTION SUCH AND SUCH OF THE GENERAL ORDERS TO GET THAT DEFINITION.
OR A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS JUST REPEAT IT RIGHT AND WHEREVER IT SHOWS UP.
SO WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO, TO SAY WHO ARE THESE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL? EITHER LIKE REFER BACK TO THE SECTION WHERE IT'S FIRST DESCRIBED OR JUST REPEAT IT HERE.
BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE CAPTAIN AND I HAD, AND CAPTAIN, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND LET YOU UM, TAKE IT OVER IN TERMS OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND NON-SWORN PERSONNEL BEING INCLUDED.
'CAUSE IT SAYS SWORN AND NON-SWORN BASICALLY HAVE A DUTY TO INTERVENE WHEN THEY FEEL THAT THE FORCE IS INAPPROPRIATE.
SO CAPTAIN, IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THAT.
YEAH, SO GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
UM, SO THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD WAS FORCE COULD APPEAR TO BE EXCESSIVE TO A CIVILIAN VERSUS A TRAINED OFFICER.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF THE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL HAD THE SAME TRAINING AS A SWORN OFFICER OR COMMISSIONED OFFICER TO BE IN A POSITION TO IDENTIFY WHAT FORCE IS REASONABLE AND WHAT FORCE IS NOT REASONABLE.
AND SO THAT IS OUR MAIN CONCERN.
SO FOR THIS, THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR US TO D P D, LIKE WHAT IS THE TRAINING? BECAUSE I AGREE WITH CAPTAIN, LIKE WHAT I MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, AS A CIVILIAN AND THINK IT'S EXCESSIVE MAY NOT BE THE SAME VIEWPOINT FROM AN OFFICER THAT HAS HAD A LOT OF TRAINING IN THAT FIELD.
SO IF WE'RE ASKING BOTH THE SWORN AND A NON-SWORN TO INTERVENE, UH, WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THE FORCE IS EXCESSIVE, WHAT IS THE TRAINING THAT THE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL ARE RECEIVING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT? SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR US TO D P D TO JUST TO SAY, CAN YOU LET US KNOW A, WHO THESE NON-SWORN PEOPLE ARE AND THEN WHAT IS THE TRAINING THAT THEY RECEIVE? UM, AND ALSO WHAT LEVEL OF IN INTERVENTION IS REQUIRED.
SO IF A CIVILIAN, IF YOU'RE A CIVILIAN MEMBER OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EXACTLY WHAT LEVEL ARE WE ASKING YOU TO INTERVENE? RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WEAPONS, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT LEVEL ARE WE ASKING THE NON-SWORN PEOPLE TO INTERVENE IF THEY THINK FORCE IS EXCESSIVE? SO THESE WOULD BE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD SEND OVER TO D P D TO HELP US CLARIFY.
THE NEXT SECTION WE LOOKED AT WAS 9 0 2 0 1, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH OC SPRAY.
AND SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT, UH, WE, THEY DON'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT IN THIS SECTION THAT OC SPRAY IS PERMITTED DURING A DEMONSTRATION OR NOT.
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT OC SPRAY CAN OR CANNOT BE USED DURING A DEMONSTRATION.
AND SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM DEFINE THAT, SAY THAT OFFICERS CAN OR CAN'T DO IT, USE THESE THINGS DURING A DEMONSTRATION OR SOME KIND OF MASS PROTEST, ET CETERA.
IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION F, WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SECTION F BECAUSE ABOUT
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THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.SO THIS PARTICULAR, SO IF AN OFFICER USES OC SPRAY, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO DO A FORCE REPORT, BUT IT'S IN THE SECTION AROUND FORCE.
SO OUR QUESTION IS, UM, IF YOU GO AND WE WILL GET TO THAT SECTION, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END TO 9 0 9 0.02, IT LISTS ALL THE, THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO FILL OUT A BLUE TEAM FOR, AND THAT'S FOR THEIR FORCE REPORT.
BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT OC SPRAY IS ONE OF THEM.
SO ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WAS, DOES D P D CONSIDER THE DEPLOYMENT OF OC SPRAY TO BE A USE OF FORCE? AND IF SO, WHY DO OFFICERS NOT HAVE TO DO A USE OF FORCE, UH, REPORT LIKE THEY DO FOR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY LIST LATER IN THIS SECTION? AND SO THESE, SO SOME OF THE, A LOT OF THESE ARE JUST KIND OF QUESTIONS FOR US, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS AROUND THE OC SPRAY AND CAPTAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING.
UM, I KNOW IT'S STATED FURTHER DOWN IN THE POLICY, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO LIST IT HERE.
UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER LEVELS OF FORCE REQUIRES A BLUE TEAM, UH, WHICH IS A USE OF FORCE REPORT.
IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DESCRIBE IF IT'S REQUIRED FOR OC SPRAY OR NOT.
SO THE NEXT SECTION WAS 9 0 2 0.02 AND THIS HAVING TO DO WITH PEPPER BALLS.
AND SO, UM, IT'S THE SAME THING AS OC SPRAY.
SO DOES D P D CONSIDER DEPLOYMENT OF A PEPPER BALL AS A USE OF FORCE? AND IF SO, UM, WHY IS THERE NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE OFFICER TO HAVE TO DO A BLUE TEAM REPORT? SO THIS IS THE SAME THING AS OC SPRAY.
SO THIS IS IN THE SECTION AROUND FORCE AND THE RESPONSE CONTINUUM, BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE, AT LEAST FROM THE READING OF THIS, THAT THE OFFICER HAS TO DO A BLUE TEAM, WHICH WOULD BE DOCUMENTING THE FORCE.
SO THAT'S A QUESTION FOR US IN TERMS OF IF WE CAN JUST GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT.
UM, SECTION 9 0 3 0.02, WHICH IS THE LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINT.
UM, CAPTAIN, I KNOW YOU WERE EXCITED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS, WE SAID THIS POLICY WAS REALLY AHEAD OF OTHER AGENCIES, SO WE WERE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND SO, UH, CAPTAIN, DO YOU WANNA SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, UM, LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINT? YES, I KNOW, UM, JUST BEING UNDER THE CONSENT DECREE HERE IN NEW ORLEANS, IT WAS, UH, A, A MAJOR CHANGE IN OUR POLICY THAT PROHIBITED ANY TYPES OF NECK HOLES OR, UH, BLOOD CHOKES OR WIND CHOKES OR ANY, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NECK.
AND I BELIEVE WHEN I READ YOU GUYS THIS POLICY, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU PROHIBITED WADE SINCE 2004, SO YOU WERE ALMOST 20 YEARS AHEAD OF THE GAME ON THAT ONE.
SO THAT WAS JUST A, A, A COMMENT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD, REALLY GOOD POLICY WRITING.
YEAH, SO WE ALSO WANNA GIVE, OBVIOUSLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KUDOS WHEN THEY'RE DOING GOOD THINGS.
SO THIS WAS, UM, WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS REALLY AHEAD.
A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE STILL JUST COMING AROUND TO THIS QUESTION AROUND NECK HOLES AND CHOKE HOLES, ET CETERA.
AND WE'VE HAD IT AS A, AS A POLICY FOR A LONG TIME TO NOT ALLOW THAT.
UM, 9 0 6 0.02, THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE POLICY.
UM, THIS WAS ALSO A GOOD POLICY AND, UH, CAPTAIN FELT THAT A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY G WHICH TALKS ABOUT DISCHARGING FIREARMS AT MOVING VEHICLES.
SO CAPTAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THE USE OF THE, THE DISCHARGING, THE FIREARMS AND MOVING VEHICLES.
YEAH, SO MOST POLICIES, UM, THAT I'VE READ FROM, YOU KNOW, OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAS THE SAME POLICY THAT STATES YOU CAN'T USE DEADLY FORCE AGAINST SOMEONE IN THE VEHICLE UNLESS THE OCCUPANTS ARE USING DEADLY FORCE OUTSIDE OF THE VEHICLE.
BUT, UH, BEING FROM A CITY THAT HAS A LOTS OF FESTIVALS, MARDI GRAS, UH, JAZZ FEST, FRENCH QUARTER FEST WITH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, IT HAS HAPPENED, UM, JUST LAST MARDI GRAS RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC WHERE WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL DRIVE A VEHICLE INTO A CROWD OF PEOPLE.
BUT THE THING IS, OUR POLICY DOESN'T STATE THAT YOU CAN USE DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT LIFE IN UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO SOMETIMES NOT HAVING CLEAR POLICY CAUSES OFFICERS TO HESITATE WHEN THEY HAVE TO USE FORCE OR INTERVENE.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THIS WAS A BOLD STATEMENT BY THE, BY THE DEPARTMENT TO PUT THIS IN THEIR, UH, POLICY THAT'LL GIVE THE OFFICERS SOME CLARITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, SAVING LIVES.
SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S A VERY GREAT POLICY TO HAVE THAT VERBIAGE IN THERE.
9 0 7 0.05 TACTICAL CONSIDERATIONS.
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AND SO WE SAID D P D.SO THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING BECAUSE TASERS CAN BE VERY COMPLICATED, RIGHT? TASERS.
'CAUSE YOU CAN, THEY CYCLE, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN HIT SOMEBODY MORE THAN ONE TIME WITH A TASER 'CAUSE YOU CAN CYCLE.
SO WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DRY STU SOMEBODY, WHICH MEANS YOU CAN'T JUST LIKE PUT THE TASER ON SOMEBODY, JUST HOLD THE TRIGGER DOWN FOREVER AND ET CETERA.
SO WE'RE CLEAR ON THAT, BUT A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ARE NOW STARTING TO MOVE TO OFFICERS HAVING TO JUSTIFY EACH CYCLE.
SO IF I HIT YOU FOR 15 SECONDS AND THEN I HIT YOU AGAIN FOR ANOTHER 15 SECONDS, LIKE THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO TWO REPORTS.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO JUSTIFY OBVIOUSLY THE FIRST ONE AND THEN JUSTIFY THE SECOND ONE.
AND IF THEY DO IT AGAIN, JUSTIFY THE THIRD ONE.
SO ONE, SO WE ARE SUGGESTING TO D P D THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE OFFICERS TALK ABOUT AND JUSTIFY WHY THEY USE MULTIPLE CYCLES OF A TASER ON SOMEONE.
AND ALSO, UM, HOW OUR CYCLES ARE MORE THAN 15 SECONDS DOCUMENTED.
SO WE HAD A QUESTION THERE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF SPECIFICITY.
SO IT, IT READS, AND THIS MAY NOT BE HOW IT IS IN REAL LIFE, RIGHT? BUT THIS IS A QUESTION.
SO IT READS RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN LIKE, YOU KNOW, HIT BOARD MEMBER DAVIDSON WITH MY TASER 15 SECONDS, HIT HIM AGAIN, HIT HIM AGAIN.
AND I JUST HAVE TO DO ONE BIG REPORT THAT SAID I USED THE TASER.
AND SO WE'RE SAYING THAT IF THAT HAPPENS, THEY SHOULD HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT MIGHT, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR US, MAYBE OFFICERS DO.
BUT IF YOU JUST READ THE POLICY, IT DOESN'T READ THAT WAY.
IT JUST READS THAT THEY HAVE TO JUST DOCUMENT THE TASER USAGE, NOT EACH TIME THEY PULL THE TRIGGER USING THE TASER.
AND SO ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR US.
AND IF THEY DON'T DO IT, A RECOMMENDATION FOR US WOULD BE THAT OFFICERS HAVE TO JUSTIFY EACH CYCLE OF THE TASER USAGE.
CAPTAIN, YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? SO WHAT I WOULD SAY, YES, WHAT I WOULD SAY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR POLICY, SO THE C E W OR TASERS, UM, WHAT MOST PEOPLE CALL IT, ONE SQUEEZE OF THE TRIGGER IS ONE CYCLE, WHICH LASTS FIVE SECONDS.
AND ANY SUBSEQUENT USE IS CONSIDERED A SEPARATE USE OF FORCE ACROSS MOST AGENCIES.
SO IF THERE'S ONE CYCLE, THAT COULD BE ONE LEVEL OF FORCE VERSUS FOUR CYCLES COULD BE ANOTHER LEVEL OF FORCE.
BUT IF YOU START GETTING INTO SAY, FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT CYCLES, WOULD THAT INCREASE THE LEVEL OF, UH, INVESTIGATION MAYBE FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS? OR WOULD A FIELD SUPERVISOR STILL BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT? UM, SO I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THIS POLICY, MAYBE LOOK AT NEW ORLEANS, UM, MAYBE LOOK AT SEATTLE, UM, UH, LA SOME OF THE OTHER POLICIES THAT SPECIFY EACH CYCLE AS BEING A SEPARATE USE OF FORCE, NOT A SEPARATE INCIDENT, BUT THE OFFICER WOULD HAVE TO JUSTIFY EACH CYCLE OF FORCE BECAUSE SOMEONE COULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE HOLDING A TRIGGER FOR AN EXCESSIVELY LONG AMOUNT OF TIME, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE LEVEL OF FORCE IN MOST JURISDICTIONS IN MOST DEPARTMENTS.
SO I WOULD PROBABLY LOOK TO REVAMP THAT PARTICULAR PART OF YOUR POLICY.
AND SO THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE ALSO WHEN, UM, CAPTAIN BURNS IS TALKING ABOUT LEVELS, LIKE MANY DEPARTMENTS ARE MOVING TO LEVELS WITH FOUR.
SO YOU HAVE A LEVEL ONE, YOU HAVE A LEVEL TWO, YOU HAVE A LEVEL THREE, AND IT DOES REQUIRE DIFFERENT, UH, REPORTING.
IT REQUIRES DIFFERENT REVIEW, UM, ET CETERA.
AND SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, IF I PULL IT MORE THAN ONE TIME AND PULL IT THREE OR FOUR TIMES, SHOULD THE LEVEL GO UP? SHOULD THAT REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS MORE REVIEW, ET CETERA.
AND SO EVEN LOOKING POTENTIALLY AT A LEVEL SYSTEM RIGHT NOW, DALLAS, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN YOUR PACKET, THEY USE A RESPONSE CONTINUUM AND A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ARE MOVING TO MORE LEVELS OF FORCE VERSUS THE CONTINUUM.
AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANNA LOOK AT AS WELL.
UM, AND SO REPORTING THE ADMINIS REPORTING AND ADMINISTRATIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE USE OF THE TASER, CWS JUST TASER.
UM, AND SO IT SAYS A BLUE TEAM IS REQUIRED FOR THIS, BUT NOT FOR THE PEPPER BALL AND THE OC SPRAY THAT WE POINTED OUT.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT, UH, THE CAPTAIN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT.
DOES THE NUMBER OF CYCLES KIND OF ELEVATE THE LEVEL OF FORCE? AND SO DO, DOES ONE REQUIRE MORE THAN THE OTHER? AND THEN, UM, DOES I E D HAVE TO COME OUT, RIGHT? THIS IS A QUESTION, RIGHT? THEY HAVE TO COME OUT FOR SHOOTINGS, RIGHT? SO IF A OFFICER USES MULTIPLE TASERS, SOMEBODY MULTIPLE TIMES, IT'S INTERESTING, DOES THAT REQUIRE I A D TO COME OUT? LIKE SHOULD THEY COME OUT TO IF SOME, AN OFFICER POTENTIALLY USES HIS TASER OR HER TASER IN AN EXCESSIVE MANNER? AND SO, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
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INTERESTING QUESTIONS, AND CAPTAIN, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU TALK ABOUT THIS.YOU KNOW, IS THIS CONSIDERED LIKE A FIREARM DISCHARGE, MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT WHO HANDLES OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING AND DEATHS IN CUSTODY? LIKE SHOULD THEY COME OUT WHEN SOMEBODY HAS EXCESSIVE, EXCESSIVE, EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF TASER USE, UM, ET CETERA.
AND SO CAPTAIN, DO YOU WANNA ELABORATE ON THAT? WELL, YEAH, JUST IT ALL GOES DOWN TO THE TRAINING AND WHAT A TRAINED GUY MAY SEE VERSUS A CITIZEN, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO IF THERE'S A, A CITIZEN THAT OBSERVES THIS TYPE OF FORCE AND THERE'S A JUST SAY A 32ND CYCLE THAT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS EXCESSIVE OR IF THE PERSON FALLS AND STRIKES THEIR HEAD AGAINST THE CURB AND IS UNCONSCIOUS.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD ESCALATE THE FORCE.
SO TYPICALLY WITH MOST AGENCIES, IF IT'S 15 SECONDS OF LESS WORTH OF AN ADMINISTRATION OF THE, THE C E W, A FIELD SUPERVISOR WOULD DO IT.
ANYTHING BEYOND 15 SECONDS WOULD REQUIRE INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR YOUR FORCE INVESTIGATION TEAM TO COME OUT FOR IT.
BECAUSE TYPICALLY BY THE THIRD CYCLE, YOU SHOULD HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR PARTNER TO CUFF UNDER POWER, UH, OR TO CUFF WHILE THAT CYCLE IS GOING ON.
SO IF THAT'S NOT HAPPENING, YOU CAN, YOU CAN START TO CROSS THE LINE INTO, YOU SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY STOPPED USING A CYCLE AND USE A A ANOTHER LEVEL OF FORCE BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY NOT WORKING AFTER 15 SECONDS.
UM, SO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT.
BUT I THINK WE JUMPED AHEAD A LITTLE BIT DISCUSSING THE, UM, THE 40 MILLIMETER GUN, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A DISCHARGE OR NOT.
SO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GONNA CONSIDER THAT A FIREARMS DISCHARGE OR NOT, I THINK IT SHOULD JUST BE LISTED IN THE, IN THE POLICY BECAUSE, UM, THE WAY THAT THAT PARTICULAR, UH, WEAPON WORKS, IT'S PROPELLED BY GUNPOWDER JUST LIKE A FIREARM IS, BUT WHAT IT PROPELS IS NOT A BULLET, IT'S A, A NON-LETHAL, UH, IMPACT WEAPON OR SOMETHING THAT DEPLOYS GAS.
SO IF IT'S GONNA BE CONSIDERED A FIREARM DISCHARGE FOR I E D TO COME OUT, IT SHOULD STATE THAT IT IS OR IT ISN'T.
SO, SO THAT WAS MY FAULT BOARD MEMBER.
SO THAT LAST QUESTION SHOULD BE UNDER, UM, THE 40 MILLIMETER.
IS THIS CONSIDERED A FIREARM DISCHARGE? SO I, I FORGOT MY HEADING IN THERE.
SO THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION NUMBER EIGHT ABOUT, UM, THE 40 MILLIMETER UM, WEAPON.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING, DOES THE DEPARTMENT CONSIDER IT A FIREARM DISCHARGE? AND IF SO, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT, WHICH INVESTIGATES SHOOTINGS, ET CETERA, THAT'S IN CUSTODY, SHOULD THEY BE COMING OUT? SO I WILL SEND YOU GUYS AN UPDATED MEMO OF THIS, BUT THIS WOULD BE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER EIGHT.
OKAY, AROUND THE STINGER BALLS, ARE THEY CONSIDERED A FIREARM DISCHARGE? AND IF SO, DOES THE SAME, SHOULD THE SAME THING THAT HAPPENS IF A OFFICER DISCHARGES HIS REVOLVER, HIS SERVICE WEAPON, SHOULD THAT REQUIRE THE SAME AMOUNT OF SCRUTINY? AND SO THAT WAS THE QUESTION, SO I APOLOGIZE.
THERE, THERE WAS, SO THERE THERE ARE EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS.
SOMEHOW THE HEADING GOT DROPPED OFF AND I DIDN'T CATCH THAT, SO I APOLOGIZE.
THANK YOU, DIRECTOR MCCLARY AND CAPTAIN, THIS IS, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD.
WHAT I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THIS, BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IT DOES IS IT INCREASES THE TRANSPARENCY AND KNOWING WHAT D P D MAY BE EXPENDING AS FAR AS WHETHER IT'S TASERS OR PEPPER BALLS OR THE, THE, THE OTHER LESS THAN LETHAL.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK THAT THAT EVEN A LESS THAN LETHAL ROUND, INCLUDING A TASER, UM, IS IT THAT IT WOULD BE TRACKED, THAT IT WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE USE OF FORCE ONLY BECAUSE, UM, IF YOU HIT SOMEONE IN THE WRONG, UH, PART OF THE BODY WITH A LESS THAN LETHAL OBJECT, AND EVEN WITH A TASER, UM, THEY FALL AND HIT THEIR HEAD, WHATEVER, THEY DIE, UM, THEN NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU HAVE A, UH, A DEATH.
SO I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT DOES NOT IMPEDE THE OFFICER'S ABILITY TO TAKE ACTION.
YOU KNOW, NONE OF THIS, NONE OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU DISCUSS, UM, GET IN THE WAY OF THE OFFICER DOING THEIR DUTIES DAY IN AND DAY OUT, AND USING THE TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM.
WHAT IT DOES DO, THOUGH, AND WHICH WHAT I REALLY LIKE IS THE FACT THAT WE CAN NOW SEE HOW MANY PEPPER BALL SPRAYS WE'VE
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HAD, HOW MANY TASERS WE'VE HAD, UH, INCIDENTS AND WHATNOT.UM, SO I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, I JUST, ME PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S A, THIS IS THIS, THESE ARE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE FLOOR TO SEE, WE'LL START DOWN HERE ON THE END, MR. MAPLES, AND COME AROUND.
I, I'D LIKE THOSE, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.
I, I TOO AM PUZZLED THAT, UH, IF A POLICE OFFICER DEPLOYS ANYTHING, THAT THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ANY REPORTING THAT IS NECESSARY BECAUSE IT CAN ESCALATE TO, YOU KNOW, A PERSON REALLY BEING HURT OUTSIDE OF BEING DETAINED OR SOMEONE WITNESSING THIS EVENT CAN ACCIDENTALLY BE HURT.
THE TRANSPARENCY WILL DEFINITELY BE HELPFUL.
THESE ARE ALL GONNA BE, THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE, A LOT OF THESE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT CLARIFICATIONS, ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU HAVEN'T FOUND IN THE POLICY.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THOSE ANSWERS, THEN YOU'LL GO ABOUT FORMULATING THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE WANT TO PASS ON TO THE CHIEF.
AM AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH, BUT YES, WE WANT, SOME OF THESE, WE'RE NOT SURE.
SO YOU'LL, YOU ALREADY KIND OF GET A PREVIEW OF WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, RIGHT? IF THE POLICY IS NOT HOW WE THINK IT IS OR IF IT IS.
BUT YES, WE ARE GONNA SEND THESE OVER AS QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK, UM, CAPTAIN, I THINK YOU ALL HEARD HIM SAY, AND I WOULD LOVE HIM TO SPEAK AS A, AS A CAPTAIN, IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES IF POLICIES ARE NOT CLEAR TO OFFICERS, THAT'S WHERE WE GET IN.
SO, LIKE, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
SO WE'RE NOT CLEAR SOME OF THIS REALLY COULD BE GOING ON, RIGHT? BUT IF AN OFFICER DOESN'T KNOW OR IT'S NOT STATED IN A POLICY, UM, AND SO CAPTAIN, I I, I KNOW IT SEEMS OBVIOUS, BUT IF YOU CAN JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
WELL, YOU DID MAKE ME THINK ABOUT SOMETHING.
UM, EVEN THOUGH I'M A CAPTAIN, I STILL WORK THE STREET SOMETIME.
AND WHEN YOU ARE AN OFFICER AND YOU DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BECAUSE YOUR POLICIES ARE NOT CLEAR, YOU CAN END UP HURT BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSION AND THE POLICIES.
SO WHEN YOUR POLICIES ARE, ARE WRITTEN BETTER, IT LIMITS INJURIES, FIRST OF ALL, TO OFFICERS, AND IT LIMITS INJURIES TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
AND ANOTHER THING, YOU KNOW, YOU STILL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT LIABILITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY LOOK INTO A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, FOR THE CYCLES, FOR THE C E W WOULD BE GREAT, YOU KNOW, WOULD DEFINITELY BE GREAT FOR THE DEPARTMENT.
I, I, I THINK THEY'RE ALL WONDER.
I THINK THEY'RE FANTASTIC QUESTIONS.
UM, AND I THINK IT'LL BE REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT D P D COMES BACK WITH AND THEN GOING TO, YOU KNOW, FORMULATE THE ACTUAL PROPOSAL OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES.
SO THANK, THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS.
I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY PUT INTO IT.
AND LET ME GO BACK TO MS. GILBERT SMITH IN CASE SHE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS DISCUSSION ITEM.
I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE ALREADY SUPPORT FOR, I THINK THE CLARIFICATIONS ARE REALLY GOOD AND I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE EXTRA COMMENTARY BEING ADDED, UH, ABOUT THE REASONING FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
NOTHING, UH, MORE TO ADD, REALLY, UH, GREAT STUFF.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK CAPTAIN.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING THE CITY OF DALLAS AND, UH, DIRECTOR, THANK YOU AS WELL.
ONLY QUESTION I DO HAVE IS, UM, WHAT'S THE PLAN? DO YOU HAVE A CONTACT IN D P D THAT, THAT YOU KNOW, WILL ANSWER? THAT WILL BE A PHONE CALL, EMAIL, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE PLAN AS FAR AS HOW TO OBTAIN THE, THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS? SO THIS WILL NOW GO OVER THE PACKAGE.
SO WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU ALL IN MAY, AND NOW WHAT WE BROUGHT TO THIS, 'CAUSE WE'VE COMPLETED IT, UH, WE WILL SEND THESE OVER TO THE CHIEF'S OFFICE.
UM, AND ALSO, SO OUR CONTACT IN THE CHIEF OFFICE IS ASSISTANT CHIEF, MONIQUE, ALEX.
SO I WILL SEND IT OVER TO THE CHIEF'S OFFICE, MAKE SURE THAT HE'S CC'D ON IT, UH, MAKE SURE THAT MAJOR ALLEN EAST FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS CC'D ON IT.
AND, UM, UM, ASSISTANT CHIEF ALEX WILL, UM, LET ME KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WILL BE TO GET IT ANSWERED.
I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA SEND IT TO THE APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS, ET CETERA, BUT SHE IS OUR CONTACT IN THE CHIEF'S OFFICE.
MR. KITNER CLOSURE, JUST, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF GOOD WORK HAS BEEN DONE HERE AND IT WAS REFRESHING TO SEE, UM, D P D AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UH, THAT, THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.
UM, EVERYTHING IN HERE SEEMS REASONABLE
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ON THE SURFACE.OBVIOUSLY THERE MAY BE SOME DETAILS WE NEED TO GET THAT MAY CHANGE THAT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS RIGHT.
AND SO THAT WAS REFRESHING AS WELL.
ALRIGHT, MR. FRIEDMAN, NO COMMENT, SIR.
DISTRICT SIX, UH, DERRICK GRAMS, DISTRICT SIX.
UM, AND YES, THANKS AGAIN FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
UM, I LIKE THAT THE CHARGING WAS SAYING WHEN THE OFFICERS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING, COULD PRETTY MUCH HAPPEN.
I'M AN EDUCATOR AND WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN RULES.
WELL, IN THE BIG WORLD THEY'RE CALLED LAWS.
AND IF WE CAN FOLLOW THOSE LAWS AND IF WE KNOW THOSE LAWS, LESS TROUBLE WOULD HAPPEN AND THAT, THANK YOU FOR HELPING THAT HAPPEN, UH, AS FAR AS GETTING THINGS CLARIFIED.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO ONLINE, UH, MS. SANFORD FURTHER COMMENTS.
ALRIGHT, UH, THANK YOU DIRECTOR MCCREARY, AND THANK YOU CAPTAIN FOR THE, THE EXCELLENT WORK THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS.
YOU PUT SOME, SOME LONG HOURS INTO THIS.
I LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, DPDS REVIEW AND FEEDBACK.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO D.
LET ME THANK CAPTAIN, UH, BURN.
YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY WITH US, BUT OF COURSE, I'M SURE YOU GOT THINGS TO DO, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH AND, UM, WE WILL WORK TOGETHER ONCE WE GET THE RESPONSES BACK FROM D P D.
HEY, THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME.
OKAY, TWO D IS THE, UM, C P O B DISCUSSION REGARDING POTENTIAL BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY THAT ADOPT AND IMPLEMENT A DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE STANDARDS FOR INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS.
UH, THIS IS GONNA BE LED BY, UM, THE CHAIR AND, UM, ALSO THE CHAIR OF OUR POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE, BRANDON FRIEDMAN.
DO WE WANNA DO A VIDEO FIRST THOUGH? YEAH, OR I THINK WE SHOULD.
UM, WE'RE GONNA PLAY THE VIDEO THAT I THINK HELPED PRECIPITATE SOME OF THIS, AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, UH, AND IF YOU CAN CUT YOUR CAMERA ON MR. MOFFITT.
I DID REACH OUT TO THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, UM, MILES MOFFITT, WHO WAS ONE OF THE REPORTERS THAT WROTE THE PIECE THAT I THINK WELL IS THE SECOND PIECE IN HIS SERIES, UM, IS ALSO ON THE LINE IN CASE THE BOARD MAY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM ABOUT THE RESEARCH THAT THEY CONDUCTED, ET CETERA.
BUT WE'RE GONNA PLAY, UM, A VIDEO I THINK THAT HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
AND THIS WAS FROM THE, UH, FIRST PIECE THAT THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS DID IN THEIR SERIES.
BLACK AND BLUE DALLAS POLICE OFFICIALS FIRED OFFICER CHRISTOPHER HESS SIX YEARS AGO AFTER HE SHOT 12 ROUNDS INTO GENEVIEVE DA'S MOVING CAR, KILLING HER.
HIS ACTIONS VIOLATED MULTIPLE POLICIES LED TO THE FIRST INDICTMENT IN 43 YEARS OF A DALLAS OFFICER FOR AN ON-DUTY SHOOTING AND AS THE SUBJECT OF AN ONGOING FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT.
WHAT THE PUBLIC DID NOT KNOW IS THAT PREVIOUS OPPORTUNITIES TO STOP HESS'S VIOLENCE WERE MISSED.
BEFORE DO'S DEATH, HESS HAD FACED 10 INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS INTO ALLEGATIONS OF BRUTALITY.
IN ONE CASE, A DASH CAMERA CAPTURED HESS BEATING A MAN WHO SLIPPED DRUGS INTO HIS MOUTH AFTER A TRAFFIC STOP.
THE FOOTAGE BEGINS WITH OFFICERS PESS AND CROW IDLING AT A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN OLD EAST DALLAS.
HERE YOU CAN SEE MORRIS'S CAR PASSING THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.
SECONDS LATER, THE OFFICERS RUN THE RED LIGHT TO FOLLOW HIM.
THE OFFICER'S WRITTEN REPORT SAID THEY STOPPED MORRIS FOR FAILING TO SIGNAL A TURN.
BUT YOU CAN SEE MORRIS'S TURN SIGNAL BLINKING UP YOUR COMPUTER.
FIRST, HE ASKED MORRIS TO PUT HIS HANDS AGAINST THE CAR.
OFFICER HESS APPROACHES THE ACTION IS BLURRY, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT MORRIS BRINGS A HAND TO HIS FACE BEFORE HE PUTS HIS ARMS ON TOP OF HIS CAR.
THE OFFICER SAID IN THEIR REPORT THAT THEY SAW HIM SLIP BAGGAGE OF DRUGS INTO HIS MOUTH.
OFFICER CROW GRABS MORRIS'S SHOULDER, PULLS
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HIM BACKWARD AND KNEES HIM.OFFICER HESS TWICE DRIVES HIS KNEE INTO MORRIS'S SIDE WHILE THE CAR OBSCURES PART OF THE VIEW.
OFFICER HESS'S ARM CAN BE SEEN CLUTCHING DOWNWARD FIVE TIMES.
BEING OFFICER HAS SOON DELIVERED ANOTHER BLOW, HE YELLS, SPIT IT OUT, PROTECT PROTECTION.
THE OFFICERS BEGIN TO HANDCUFF MORRIS.
OFFICER HESS PULLS HIS CELL PHONE OUT OF HIS POCKET AND ANSWERS IT, FILE
AFTER HESS ENDS THE CALL, HE GRABS MORRIS BY THE HANDCUFF AND DRAGS HIM FARTHER INTO THE STREET.
PESS YANKS MORRIS'S ARMS STRAIGHT UP AT WHAT EXPERTS CHARACTERIZED AS A TORTURE TECHNIQUE.
HE DIGS HIS KNEE INTO MORRIS'S BACK AND HOLDS HIS ARMS OUTSTRETCHED FOR THE NEXT 40 SECONDS.
YOUR HOME TODAY, FOUR MORRIS SQUIRMS HAS KNEE, KNEES HIM IN THE BACK, THEN DELIVERS TWO PUNCHES TOWARD MORRIS'S HEAD AND SHOULDERS.
OFFICER CROW WALKS TOWARDS HESS AS HE LANDS ANOTHER PUNCH.
OFFICER HAS PRESSES HIS KNEE INTO MAURICE'S BACK BENDING HIM FORWARD, A STRESS POSITION THAT EXPERTS SAY CAN INHIBIT BREATHING OTHER OFFICERS ARRIVE.
OFFICER HAS SLAMMED MORRIS'S HEAD INTO THE CAR.
HE KEEPS HIS KNEE PRESSED INTO MORRIS'S BACK FOR ANOTHER 50 SECONDS.
OFFICER HESS PULLS FORCE UP AND LEADS HIM AWAY.
MORRIS'S SWOLLEN FACE AND BLACK EYE ARE VISIBLE IN THE HEADLIGHTS.
THE OFFICERS DISCLOSED ONLY TWO OF THE BLOWS IN THEIR INCIDENT REPORT.
THE REPORT ALSO SAID MORRIS TRIED TO PLEA EXPERTS WHO REVIEWED THE FOOTAGE FOR THE NEWS SAID THE VIOLENCE AND FALSE STATEMENTS HESS AND HIS PARTNER CROW MADE IN THEIR REPORT WERE POTENTIAL CRIMES THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY PROSECUTORS.
BUT THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAID POLICE DID NOT CONSULT WITH PROSECUTORS OR SHARE THE FOOTAGE WITH THEM BEFORE THE STATUTORY DEADLINE ON POTENTIAL CRIMINAL CHARGES RAN OUT.
HESS WAS CLEARED OF MISCONDUCT AND REMAINED ON THE FORCE.
EIGHT MONTHS LATER, HE KILLED GENEVIEVE DAWS.
HANDS ON YOUR HEAD, DO NOT F*****G MOVE.
YOU UNDERSTAND ME? DO NOT MOVE.
THANK YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. UM, REAL QUICK BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I HAVE A, WE HAVE A SPEAKER FOR ITEM TWO D, MR. JOHN FULLEN WINDER.
IS THAT RIGHT? FULL AND WINDER.
FLOOR'S YOURS SIR, JUST HIT THE BUTTON.
MAKE SURE YOU GOT A GOOD, UH, YOU GOT THREE MINUTES, SIR.
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YEAH, THERE YOU GO.I LIVE AT, UH, 1851 FULLER IN DALLAS.
UH, THE FIRST POLICE SHOOTING THAT I EVER, UH, WORKED ON AS AN ACTIVIST WAS IN THE 1970S.
AND DOWN THROUGH THE YEARS, I, I GUESS I CAN SAY THE CONSCIENCE IS STILL SHOCKED, BUT I'M NO LONGER SURPRISED BY ANY KIND OF POLICE MISCONDUCT.
THERE'S ALMOST ALWAYS A PATTERN OF VIOLENCE AMONG OFFICERS IN DEADLY POLICE SHOOTINGS.
AND YOU SAW IT THERE IN THE, UH, CAREER OF CHRISTOPHER HESS.
I MEAN, GENEVIEVE DAWES WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY IF HE'D BEEN FIRED WHEN HE BEAT UP TERRY MORRIS.
BUT THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED CASE.
YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, AS WE KNOW, OFFICER DARRELL KANE SHOT TO DEATH AN UNARMED BLACK YOUTH NAMED MICHAEL MOORHEAD.
THREE YEARS BEFORE HE KILLED SANTOS RODRIGUEZ.
IN THE EIGHTIES, CORPORAL MELVIN COSBY SHOT FIVE SUSPECTS KILLING TWO OF THEM PRIOR TO KILLING MICHAEL FROST.
IN 1983, OFFICER ROGER RUDL HAD MORE THAN A DOZEN COMPLAINTS OF EXCESSIVE FORCE RACIAL PROFILING AND HARASSMENT.
BY 2012, BEFORE HE AND TWO OTHER OFFICERS FIRED 30 SHOTS INTO A SUSPECTED STOLEN CAR KILLING THE DRIVER, LOUIS ESCALANTE, ONE OF THE OTHER OFFICERS WHO FIRED HIS WEAPON AT ESCALANTE THAT NIGHT WAS JASON CROW.
CROW, AS YOU SAW, WAS CHRISTOPHER HESS'S PARTNER.
TWO YEARS LATER IN THE 2014 SEVERE BEATING OF TERRY MORRIS, OFFICER CLARK STYLER, WHO KILLED, KILLED CLINTON ALLEN, AN UNARMED BLACK MAN IN 2013 TRIED TO RUN OVER A SUSPECT WITH HIS SQUAD CAR IN 2011, BREAKING THE SUSPECT'S ANKLES.
AMONG OTHER MISCONDUCT OFFICER AMBER GEIGER, WHO KILLED BOTHAM.
JOHN, ANOTHER UNARMED BLACK MAN IN 2018 HAD BEEN TRAINED AND MENTORED BY SENIOR CORPORAL MARTIN RIVERA WHEN HE WAS THE PATROL OFFICER MARTIN RIVERA KILLED AN UNARMED BLACK YOUTH, BRANDON WASHINGTON IN 2007, BEFORE HIS PROMOTION, GEIGER HERSELF INJURED A SUSPECT WITH HER TASER THE YEAR BEFORE SHE KILLED MR. JOHN.
GIVEN THE HISTORY OF POLICE VIOLENCE IN DALLAS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THE HIGHEST PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS FOR INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS OF OFFICERS.
THE PATTERN BRIEFLY NOTED HERE OF POLICE BRUTALITY LEADING TO FATAL POLICE SHOOTINGS SHOULD BE UNCOVERED IN POLICE INVESTIGATIONS BY I A D AND BY THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT.
AS POINTED OUT IN THIS REPORT FROM MILES MOFFITT AND OTHER GOOD REPORTERS, UM, I A D STANDARDS DON'T MEASURE UP TO THE BEST PRACTICES OF D O J GUIDELINES.
AND THIS INEFFICIENT, INEFFECTIVE, NOT FULLY PROFESSIONAL I A D IS ONE REASON WHY OFFICERS ESCALATE FROM THE KIND OF CRUELTY THEY SHOWED TO, UH, MR. LANE, TO IN THE COMPLAINT WE HEARD TONIGHT, TO ACTUALLY KILLING PEOPLE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT IF IT'S A ADDRESSED, COULD HELP WITH A LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS. AND IT'S ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE THE NEXT HORRIBLE BEATING OR SHOOTING OF A PERSON IN DALLAS.
AND I SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF A RESOLUTION URGING THE, UH, UH, D P D TO RAISE THEIR STANDARDS, AT LEAST TO WHAT D O J HAS IN THEIR PROFESSIONAL GUIDELINES.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S TIME TO, UH, I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE ON THIS, BUT I HOPE YOU'LL ALSO URGE YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT APPOINTED YOU, THAT THE COUNCIL GET A LITTLE MORE INVOLVED IN, UH, TAMING THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
HOW DID YOU WANT, OH, MR. FRIEDMAN, DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THIS DISCUSSION? THANK YOU, UH, MR. VICE CHAIR.
UH, I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO FACILITATE A DISCUSSION, UM, JUST TO TAKE IT UP WHERE, UH, WHERE HE, WHERE THE SPEAKER LEFT OFF.
UM, I, I'M ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY BY THIS POINT HAS, HAS SEEN THE DALLAS WARNING NEWS SERIES AND WHAT THAT'S ALL ABOUT.
UM, UH, IF YOU SEE IN THE, IN THE PACKET, UH, IN THE AGENDA, UH, WHAT MILES
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IS ON THE CALL HERE HAS DONE IS HAS GONE THROUGH AND, AND PICKED OUT EIGHT WAYS THAT THE, THAT D P D HAS FALLEN SHORT, UH, D O J STANDARDS.UM, I'M A, I'M A BIG FAN OF HAVING HIGH PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS FOR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UM, SO WHAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT WAS, UM, WHETHER, SPECIFICALLY WHETHER THE BOARD THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD, UM, COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF RE RESOLUTION OR RECOMMENDATION TO THE D P D, THAT THEY RAISE THEIR STANDARDS TO MEET THOSE, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE.
AND SO, UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO SEE WHAT, TO SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT, SEE WHAT OTHER FOLKS THINK ABOUT, UH, MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO D P D AND, UH, ALSO WHAT WOULD GO, WHAT WOULD BE INVOLVED IN A RECOMMENDATION LIKE THAT, BECAUSE WE MAY NEED TO GO THROUGH, UH, THE D O J DOCUMENT AND ACTUALLY PULL OUT IN DETAIL, UH, WHERE DPD IS FALLING SHORT AND WHAT OUR SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE, UH, WHETHER THEY FOLLOW THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE OR NOT.
SO, UM, I, I WILL SAY THAT I DID READ THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE, UM, AND WHAT IT DID WAS IT, IT KIND OF, IT OPENED UP A, UM, WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A GAP IN, UM, IN THEIR POLICY.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YET, UM, BUT I WROTE A POLICY PROPOSAL, WHICH WILL BE COMING OUT IN OUR NEXT MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
UM, I SENT IT TO THE CHAIR THIS WEEKEND, AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT, UH, IN TIME ENOUGH TO MAKE IT TO THIS AGENDA, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
UM, BECAUSE WHAT IT'LL DO IS, UM, IT'S, WE'RE BRINGING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION, UM, ON THAT WILL ADDRESS MULTIPLE PARTS OF, UM, OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE.
AND I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BRING THAT TO THE BOARD, UM, NEXT MONTH DURING OUR AGENDA.
SO WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS WE'LL MAKE THAT DISCUSSION KINDA LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THE, UM, UH, THE, THE DEATHS IN POLICE CUSTODY, UH, POLICY MEMORANDUM THAT WE DID.
AND IF, IF THE BOARD AGREES, WE WILL SUBMIT THAT, UH, PROPOSAL TO YOU AS THE CHAIR OF THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE IT, CHEW IT, MODIFY IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, PUTTING ALL THE, PUTTING ALL THE, UH, THE HEADS TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S, UM, THAT IT'S A FULL, UM, THAT WE'VE TAKEN EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION, RIGHT? UM, BUT, UH, I THINK, UH, I, I THINK THAT'S HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ON THIS BY, BY TAKING THESE AND, AND MAKING CHANGES TO, OR RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO D P D POLICY, KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE, UH, WHAT, UH, DIRECTOR MCCLARY AND THE CAPTAIN DID EARLIER WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE REVIEW THE POLICY, WE RE REVIEW THEIR GENERAL ORDERS, AND THEN WRITE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
UM, AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, AND I'LL JUST SAY IT WITH THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHAT WE DO IS BUILD OUT THE TRANSPARENCY OF D P D, RIGHT? UM, AND MAKING SURE THAT WHAT'S FAIR FOR, UH, RESIDENTS IS ALSO FAIR, FAIR FOR THE POLICE OFFICERS.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE CAPTURED THAT.
SO, UM, UM, SO LOOK AT IT IN THAT VEIN WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE, UM, UH, ESPECIALLY THAT DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY GREAT, UM, AND I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP THE FLOOR STARTING DOWN WITH, UH, MR. MAPLES.
UM, LET ME START BY SAYING, IN SOME INSTANCES, THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME.
UM, OFFICER, HES WAS A BAD COP, BUT SO WAS HIS PARTNER, OFFICER CROW, BECAUSE YOU WATCHED IT, YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, YOU DIDN'T STOP IT.
UM, THE SAME THING WITH OFFICER KANE, BUT SO WAS OFFICER ARNOLD, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T STOP KANE FROM SHOOTING SANTOS RODRIGUEZ.
UH, SOMEONE SENT ME A NATIONAL DATABASE WHERE SELF-REPORTING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING ON.
SO IN MY INQUISITIVE MANNER, I DECIDED TO LOOK UP A COUPLE OF DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS TO SEE IF ANYBODY
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HAD PUT THEIR INFORMATION ON.I LOOKED UP, UH, ROY OLIVER AND AMBER GEIGER.
NEITHER ONE OF 'EM WAS ON THIS NATIONAL DATABASE.
SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS CONVERSATION AND HOW WE CAN PEEL BACK THIS ONION AND COME TO SOME TYPE OF RESOLUTION, BUT JUST KNOW IT'LL TAKE MORE IN OUR BRILLIANT BRAINS TO DO IT.
BUT IF WE START THE CONVERSATION, I BELIEVE IT CAN GET DONE.
AND, UH, AGAIN, I LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
THE REASON WE MOVED OUR MEETING FROM THE AFTERNOON TO THE EVENING WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, YET THERE'S A LOT LESS PEOPLE ATTENDING OUR MEETINGS NOW THAN WHEN THEY WERE AT ONE O'CLOCK WITHOUT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.
A LOT OF WHAT WE SAY DO FALLS ON DEAF EARS UNLESS THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND SUPPORTS IT.
I I DON'T HAVE HIGH HOPES, UH, VICE CHAIR, IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN SEND OUT WHAT YOU'VE, UH, PROVIDED TO, UH, THE DIRECTOR SO THAT WE CAN GO TO THE BOARD SO WE CAN ACTUALLY START, INSTEAD OF STARTING THIS A WEEK PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN ALL LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE DONE, WHAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, REFERENCE THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, POLICY.
SO INSTEAD OF STARTING THIS PROCESS IN A MONTH, WE CAN START BETWEEN NOW AND THEN AND, AND BE READY FOR ACTUALLY A FULL THROATED CONVERSATION RATHER THAN START THE PROCESS IN A MONTH.
UM, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STAY, UM, UM, WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, I'LL ASK THE DIRECTOR TO FORWARD, UM, THAT DOCUMENT THAT I SENT HER AND THE CHAIR, UM, TO ALL OF YOU TO REVIEW.
AND THERE IS NO, I I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, UM, THERE, THERE, SH THERE'S NO PRIDE IN AUTHORSHIP WHATSOEVER.
SO IF YOU SEE SOMETHING ON THERE THAT YOU THINK SHOULD, UH, BE ADDED, PLEASE ADD IT ON THERE.
UM, MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU DO THAT TO MAKE, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT YOU PUT YOUR INITIALS OR YOUR NAME ON WHATEVER COMMENT IT IS, SO THAT WE KNOW AS, AS WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE CAN, UH, WE CAN TALK THOSE THROUGH.
THANK YOU, MR. VICE CHAIR, JUST A QUICK QUESTION ON YOUR POLICY PROPOSAL THAT THAT DOES INCLUDE, UH, THIS D O J REPORT.
YOU, YOU, YOU DID COMPOSE THAT AFTER THIS CAME OUT? YES.
YEAH, NOTHING, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE, UH, THE ARTICLE AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S GREAT.
WE HAVE THE AUTHOR ONLINE, IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
IT'S, UH, IT'D BE GREAT TO HEAR FROM HIM TOO SOMETIME.
UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I MIGHT JUST BEGIN RIGHT NOW JUST ASKING HIM, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT PROMPTED HIM TO WRITE THIS ARTICLE? AND I'M CURIOUS, UM, AS A, AS A JOURNALIST, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST, WHAT SURPRISED HIM THE MOST ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AS A, AS, AS A POLICE FORCE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, UNDER THIS, UH, WITH THESE THEMES.
UM, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO KEEP MY, MY REMARKS PRETTY, UM, UH, TETHERED TO THE, THE SUBJECT MATTER AND, AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT GO TOO FAR A FIELD, BUT WE, WE HAD, WE HAD CERTAIN POLICE OFFICERS, UM, APPROACH US.
UM, THIS, THIS INVESTIGATION TOOK THREE YEARS, AND THERE WERE PEOPLE INSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WERE NOT HAPPY WITH HOW, UM, BRUTALITY CASES WERE BEING HANDLED.
UM, THERE WERE TWO REPORTERS WHO INITIALLY STARTED THIS INVESTIGATION, AND THEY, THEY BEGAN FILING HUNDREDS OF OPEN RECORD REQUESTS, AND THEY NO LONGER WORK FOR THE MORNING NEWS, BUT THEIR WORK SET THE FOUNDATION FOR THIS.
AND, AND I ALSO HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO MY COLLEAGUE ARI SENT, WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND THIS WAS A VERY MUCH A TEAM EFFORT TO, UH, PROVIDE A PUBLIC SERVICE.
AND YEAH, THIS, THIS WAS ONLY THE FIRST INSTALLMENT.
THE, THE LIST OF, OF STANDARD,
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UH, PRACTICES AND POLICIES THAT FALL SHORT OF D O G STANDARDS IS, IS ONLY THE BEGINNING THERE, THERE ARE MANY MORE, UH, PROBLEMS, UH, WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.AND, UM, YEAH, I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.
UM, UH, BOTH ARI AND I AND AND OTHERS ARE HAPPY TO RESPOND MORE IN DEPTH, UH, AT ANOTHER TIME, SAY, AFTER THIS MEETING OR IN COMING DAYS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND, UH, AND ALSO FOR YOUR, YOUR HARD WORK IN THIS AND FOR, UM, PUTTING INTO WORDS, UM, WHERE WE CAN READ IT AND AS A PUBLIC, AND WE CAN READ SOME OF THE GAPS THAT WE SEE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, ALL VICE CHAIR, I HAVE THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS.
AND I'M SO EMBARRASSED MR. SIN IS IN THE AUDIENCE.
I WAS THERE AND I WAS LIKE, IS THAT HIM? I WAS TRYING TO REC, SO THIS IS THE OTHER CO-AUTHOR, SO HE'S ACTUALLY IN THE BUILDING.
UM, SO BETWEEN HIM AND MR. MOFFITT, IF PEOPLE HAVE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SERIES, HE'S HERE AS WELL.
WE, WE JUST NEVER MET IN PERSON.
SO,
I APPRECIATE BOTH OF YOU FOR, UH, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND SHEDDING SOME LIGHT THAT, UH, THAT INSPIRES US TO, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME, UH, MAKE SOME MUCH NEEDED RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, MR. KITNER, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, UH, WITH WHAT, UH, MS. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH SAID, I, I, I, I AGREE, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE ALSO MISSING THAT WE USED TO HAVE WAS THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
AND THE POLICE SHOWED UP IN PERSON, AND YOU COULD TALK TO THEM DIRECTLY.
I FIND THE ZOOM TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE, AND I WOULD ASK MS. MCCLARY TO DO WHATEVER SHE CAN TO GET THEM TO SHOW UP IN PERSON.
UH, WE HARDLY HEAR 'EM SOMETIMES, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST NOT A VERY GOOD WAY TO CONDUCT, UM, A PROCEEDING.
SO I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT OUT.
BUT JUST AS IMPORTANT AS HAVING THE PUBLIC HERE IS HAVING THE POLICE TO JUSTIFY WHAT THEY DID.
WE COME HERE, THEY SHOULD COME HERE, IS MY VIEW.
NUMBER TWO, UM, I READ THE ARTICLE WHEN IT CAME OUT IN THE MORNING NEWS, AND I WAS JUST THINKING TO MYSELF, HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED? I MEAN, IT WAS, HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 2020, I GET THAT.
BUT IT SEEMED TO ME AS YOU'RE READING IT, IT'S JUST UNFOLDING.
AND HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN THAT HE CONTINUED TO STAY ON THE FORCE AND NOT GET REPRIMANDED OR WHATEVER.
IT'S JUST MIND BOGGLING TO ME.
AND SO, AGAIN, IF, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS CASE, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT IN THE POLICE, UH, I E D WE'RE HERE, I THINK WE COULD HAVE A GOOD DIALOGUE.
WE WOULD NEVER HAVE THAT DIALOGUE OVER A ZOOM.
SO, AGAIN, I'M GONNA ENCOURAGE THAT, BUT ALMOST ALL OF THE THINGS HERE SEEM PRETTY OBVIOUS IN COMMON SENSE.
UM, AND IT'S JUST SURPRISING ME THAT IT'S NOT DONE.
I MEAN, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, RECORDING INTERVIEWS, HOW, HOW HARD COULD THAT BE? UH, EVERYBODY HAS A CAMERA NOW.
UH, IT'S JUST EASY TO DO SHOULD THEY HAVE INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE? THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME IT, IT'S JUST INTUITIVELY OBVIOUS.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA LOOK FORWARD TO WHATEVER WE HAVE AND LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THIS IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC, MS. WATFORD CLOSURES.
AND, UH, JOURNALIST SIN, I WANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR DATA ANALYSIS.
I FIND THAT TO BE, UH, VERY, VERY CRUCIAL FOR US, UM, TO FIND THE PATTERNS AND THE TRENDS.
AND THE QUESTION THREE ON HERE ABOUT DE DETECTIVES ANALYZE AN ACCUSED OFFICER'S HISTORY OF COMPLAINTS OR PATTERNS.
THIS SEEMS TO ME WHAT THE, THE NEWS HAS COME UP WITH HERE IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS $900,000 SYSTEM THAT'S NOT BEING USED.
IS THAT THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT? I FIND THAT SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE, UM, MS. MCCLARY, YOU AND THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD TALK TO THE CHIEF ABOUT, NOT WAIT FOR US TO DO A REPORT, BUT FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON.
WHY WOULD WE HAVE DATA ANALYSIS EQUIPMENT, A SYSTEM, AND NOT BE USING IT? I, I THINK BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE KNOWN FROM THE OFFICERS WE'VE SEEN WHO HAD A, A PROFILE OF REPEATEDLY DOING THIS, AND AS WE SAW TONIGHT WITH A COMPLAINT ABOUT ALLIE'S LAW, I MEAN, SOMETIMES IN THE REPORT THAT I E D LOOKS AT, IT'S NOT THAT THOROUGH.
SO I THINK WE'VE GOTTA SEE, OKAY, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN AGAINST WHICH OFFICERS, HOW FREQUENTLY, WHAT KIND OF CIRCUMSTANCES, IF THERE'S
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ANY TYPE OF SYSTEM THAT IT SAYS IT WAS PROJECTED TO BE UP AND RUNNING IN 2021.THIS IS 23 I, WE NEED SOME IMMEDIATE ANSWER ON THAT ONE.
I THINK THAT SHOULD NOT WAIT FOR YOUR REPORT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, VICE CHAIRMAN, MR. FRIEDMAN.
UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ECHO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE SAID IN OFFERING THANKS TO, UH, UH, MILES AND ARI OF THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS.
THIS IS, UH, AN EXAMPLE OF, OF OUTSTANDING JOURNALISM.
UH, WE WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ALL OF THIS.
THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT ALL OF THIS, IF NOT FOR THEIR REPORTING.
SO, UH, I, I, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT AND, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING, UH, MR. RIVAS, WHAT YOU HAVE, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
'CAUSE I, I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, AFTER SEEING THE TAPE, AND ONCE AGAIN, A BULLY INSIDE OF THE FORCE, I, SOMETHING I NOTICED WAS EVEN WHEN THE OTHER COPS CAME, THEY JUST KIND OF, WHEN HE REALLY STARTED GOING, THEY TURNED THEIR BACKS.
AND I THINK THAT WITH THE, WITH THE $9,000 SYSTEM FOR BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF SURVEILLANCE, THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL ON SOMEONE THE THIRD PARTY AFRAID OF.
'CAUSE THEY WOULD BE RECORDED AND THIS STUFF COULD BE TURNED IN AT THE END OF E EVERY SHIFT OR WHAT, HOWEVER THEY DO IT.
AND THAT WAY THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO SO-CALLED BE TELLING ON SOMEONE.
IT WOULD BE TOLD, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CHECKED OUT EVERY EVENING.
AND HE COULD HAVE BEEN OFF THE, UH, FORCE OF A MINUTE AGO.
BUT I SUPPORT, THANK YOU, SIR.
UM, MS. SANFORD ONLINE, CAN YOU HEAR ME THIS TIME ONLINE? I CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, I, UH, AGREE WITH, UH, THE SUPPORT THAT WE'VE HEARD REGARDING REVIEWING WHAT, UH, WHAT LANGUAGE YOU'VE COME UP WITH.
I WILL SAY AS BOARD MEMBERS THOUGH, WE NEED TO GET OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS INVOLVED, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES IN THIS REGARD.
AND THAT'S INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS, NOT JUST AT THE MEETING.
SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S AT THE TOP OF OUR MIND TOO, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
UH, I, I WANT TO, UH, THANK EVERYONE FOR THE, FOR THE, THE CONVERSATION REGARDING THIS ISSUE.
I WANT TO THANK, UH, CHAIRMAN FREEMAN FOR ADDING THIS AS A AGENDA TOPIC, AND I'M HOPING MY VOICE DOESN'T LEAD ME WHILE I'M TALKING, BUT, UM, ONE THING I WANNA, I WANNA ADD ONE, WHAT, UH, MS. SANFORD SAID, AND THAT IS THAT WE DO NEED TO BE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
ESPECIALLY THIS, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THEY KNOW 'CAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IF WE WANT THEIR SUPPORT ON SOMETHING, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF, OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UM, MR. MR. CHAIR, UH, I WAS LOOKING BACK AT OUR EMAIL EXCHANGES, AND I, I KNOW I, WITHIN MINUTES, UH, SEEING YOUR EMAIL AND REVIEWING IT, I SENT IT OVER TO, UH, DIRECTOR MCCLARY.
AND SO I CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT TO GET OUT TO THE REST OF THE BOARD FOR HIM TO REVIEW IT.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO THIS, RIGHT? AND YES, THERE ARE SOME, SOME, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I THINK, EXCUSE ME.
UH, CHAIRMAN REVA'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ON THE MONEY.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE MONEY.
I THINK THAT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REPORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NOT ANY OTHER GAPS, SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY ALL OF THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO ROLL OUT THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE'RE COVERING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN IN REGARDS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHERE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY BE FALLING SHORT, SO THAT WE HAVE A FULL TRANSPARENT VIEW OF THE GAPS AS WELL AS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING PERFECT FOR THE POLICY COMMITTEE TO REVIEW, UH, TO START WORKING ON.
AND I, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS THE RIGHT WAY, AND I THINK WE NEED TO, AS BOARD MEMBERS, AS MS. S, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH,
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MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TALKING TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AS WELL.I WAS GONNA SAY, I'M EXCITED TO BE WORKING WITH YOU ALL ON THIS.
I THINK YOU REMEMBER, I THINK WE'VE ONLY DONE IT ONCE.
I EVEN TALKED TO MR. WILLIAMS ABOUT IT, BUT WE BROUGHT YOU THE RECORD.
I BELIEVE IT WAS WHEN, UH, DARLING WHITE'S CASE, AND WE BROUGHT YOU THE RECORD OF THE OFFICERS BECAUSE AS MR. FULLEN ARE POINTED OUT, A LOT OF TIMES THESE OFFICERS ARE SENIOR, THEY'VE BEEN ON THE FORCE, THEY'RE FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS, AND SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE OVER OUR RECRUITS, OUR, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA.
AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
AND ONE OF THE ROLES OF A GOOD OVERSIGHT BOARD AND OFFICE, WHICH WE ARE, IS TO DO REST RISK ASSESSMENT.
AND SO WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT PATTERNS AND PRACTICES OF OFFICERS LIKE, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN JUST SAY FROM A DEPARTMENT WHERE I WAS BEFORE, UM, WE CAUGHT OFFICERS THAT DID NOT NEED TO BE ON THE FORCE.
THEY WERE IN CONSTANT USES OF FORCE.
THEY WERE DOING ALL KIND, AND THE DEPARTMENT HAD TO LET SOME PEOPLE GO.
AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS, THIS IS VERY EXCITING TO BE STARTING TO DO A LOT OF PATTERN AND RISK ASSESSMENT.
I KNOW I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF GARCIA AS WELL AS THE DOCUMENTATION.
I THINK A LOT OF YOU TALKED ABOUT NOT KNOWING WHY THINGS ARE DECIDED.
I WAS LIKE, SOMETIMES I'M NOT EVEN ARGUING WITH THE FINDINGS OF I A D I JUST DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY GOT THERE.
HOW DID YOU GET TO THIS FINDING? DID YOU DO ANY KINDA WITNESS CREDIBILITY? IS THERE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU DID CREDIBILITY FOR A WITNESS OR WHATEVER, LIKE, HOW ARE YOU EVEN GETTING TO, TO THESE CONCLUSIONS? AND SO I'M EXCITED TO JUST BE WORKING WITH YOU GUYS.
SO FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD AND STARTING OUT WITH SENDING, UH, VICE CHAIR'S DOCUMENT, I'M JUST LET YOU GUYS KNOW, I'M EXCITED TO BE WORKING ON WITH WORKING WITH YOU ON THIS.
I'D A JUST BRIEF FOLLOW UP TO WHAT MR. KITNER WAS SAYING.
UM, I HAD A QUESTION IF FOR DIRECTOR MCCLARY, IF SHE GETS PUSHBACK FROM THE IDEA THAT IA, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS NEEDS TO BE IN PERSON AS OPPOSED TO ZOOM, IS THERE SOME WAY WE CAN BUILD A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S READY TO GO BY NEXT SESSION? UH, TO HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICY THAT GIVES 'EM SOME FLEXIBILITY, BUT MAKES IT AS A DEFAULT RULE THAT THEY NEED TO BE SENDING SOMEONE IN PERSON? 'CAUSE I VERY MUCH AGREE THAT ZOOM JUST DECREASES ACCOUNTABILITY.
WE END UP NOT HEARING HALF OF WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND IT'S, IT'S VERY HARD TO QUESTION THEM AND ACTUALLY MAKE THEM BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM SAYING NO INVESTIGATION WAS NEEDED.
UH, THEY SEEM TO BE HIDING BEHIND TECHNOLOGY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR I JUST, UH, JUST, UH, SIR, SORT OF WHAT MS. MCCLARY SAID ON RISK ASSESSMENT, I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY A VALID, UH, OBSERVATION IN THE SENSE THAT, UM, I DUNNO WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY 97, 98, 90 9% OF THE OFFICERS OUT THERE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB.
IT'S THE VERY FEW WHO GIVE EVERYBODY A BAD REPUTATION.
AND IF YOU CAN FIND THOSE VERY FEW BY GOOD INVESTIGATION AND THAT SORT OF THING, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A WIN FOR EVERYONE.
UH, YOU'RE NOT GETTING HIT WITH LAWSUITS AND YOU'RE NOT HAVING BAD PUBLICITY AND THE, UM, PUBLIC NOW HAS FAITH IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO IT, IT'S NOT A KNOCK ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
TO THE CONTRARY, IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND THOSE FEW BAD POLICE OFFICERS.
THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE IN EVERY PROFESSION, NOT JUST POLICE OFFICERS, BUT IN EVERY PROFESSION.
AND IT'S THE JOB OF WHOEVER'S IN CHARGE TO FIND THOSE PEOPLE AND GET THEM OUT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SAYING THAT WE HAVE IN THE NAVY IS, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE TO TIGHTEN UP THE LINES WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MOW PIER SIDE OR ALONGSIDE ANOTHER SHIP.
IF YOU DON'T TIGHTEN UP THE LINES, THEN YOUR, YOUR SHIP CAN BE DAMAGED BY RUNNING INTO THE PIER OR RUNNING INTO ANOTHER SHIP.
OKAY? SO YOU TIGHTEN UP THE LINES AND WHAT THAT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT THE, THE SHIP HANDLING CREW MADE A MISTAKE.
IT'S JUST, IT, IT KEEPS EVERYTHING TIGHT AND THEREFORE IT ALLOWS, IT, IT, IT MITIGATES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, FOR A FAILURE OR FOR DAMAGE TO HAPPEN.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT, THAT WE'RE DOING THAT IS UNREASONABLE, THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING UNREASONABLE.
I THINK EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD ASK FOR, UM, DOES NOTHING BUT MAKE THAT DEPARTMENT BETTER, RIGHT? AND IT, AND IT ALSO
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ALLOWS OUR RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROCESSES IN PLACE TO KEEP THEM SAFE.AND THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IS ONE OF THOSE SERVICES, CITY SERVICES THAT WORKS FOR US AND, YOU KNOW, AND HAS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT JOB OF PROTECTING US, RIGHT? SO, UM, I THINK WE CAN GET THERE.
UM, 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THERE THAT, THAT IS UNREASONABLE BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.
SO, UM, WITH THAT, UH, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON ITEM TWO D, WE WILL MOVE ON TO MEMORANDUM ITEM TWO E, UH, DISCUSSION OF C P O B TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES WITH D P D.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THIS, UH, DISCUSSION? GIMME ONE SECOND.
LET ME, LET ME PULL UP THAT DOCUMENT.
WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, I'LL ALSO SEND THE BOARD.
THERE WERE TWO REPORTS THAT THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS LOOKED AT THAT WERE ISSUED FROM D O J AND I ONLY SENT YOU GUYS ONE.
I WILL ACTUALLY SEND YOU THE OTHER ONE AS WELL THAT ALSO HAS, UM, KIND OF TALKS A LOT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, MS. MCCLARY, ON THE TRAINING, THE LAST MEETING WE HAD, WE WERE ALL GOING TO GIVE YOU OUR PRIORITY.
DID YOU GET THAT? BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S AGREEMENT WE, HUH? OH, JUST FOR ME,
WELL, I, IT WAS EASY FOR ME TO ASK 'CAUSE I KNOW I'VE DONE THAT.
BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, I, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY JUST YOU AND VICE.
BUT I, I THOUGHT THE IDEA WAS YOU WERE GONNA GET EVERYBODY'S WANT LIST AND THEN YOU WOULD PUT IT TOGETHER AND WE WOULD DO WHAT APPEARED TO BE WHAT MOST PEOPLE WANTED TO DO.
SO ANY EVENT, I, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME WE JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE MAJORITY WANNA DO AND LET'S DO IT.
I KNOW THAT MR. CHAIRMAN HAVE WANTED TO ALSO TAKE A LOOK AT, SO I ONLY, I DID ONLY HEAR FROM, UH, BOARD MEMBER KITNER AND VICE CHAIR RIVAS ON THEIR THOUGHTS ON, UM, NOT THEIR THOUGHTS BUT THEIR DESIRES.
BUT I KNOW THAT, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAD ALSO WANTED TO KIND OF PRIORITIZE THE LIST AS WELL AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH THE BOARD ABOUT THIS TRAINING SCHEDULE.
IS EVERYONE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ME, ME SAY AGAIN? I THOUGHT I'M HEARING A REALLY BAD ECHO.
SO WHAT I DID WITH THE LIST, AND I SENT THIS TO DIRECTOR MCCLARY, UM, EARLIER IN THE MEETING, I JUST TOOK THE LIST AND I KIND OF MADE SOME CHANGES IN THE ORDER OF SOME OF THE TRAINING ITEMS. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WAS, UM, THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT I, THAT I HAVE PRIORITIZED IS ACTIVE SHOOTER NUMBER ONE, AND AFTER THE HISTORY OF POLICING, PROCEDURAL JUSTICE, ARREST, SEARCH AND SEIZURE DEESCALATION SCENARIO TRAINING, RIGHT? CARE, PEDESTRIAN STOPS TRAFFIC AND FELONY STOPS, BUILDING SEARCH BURGLARIES, VIOLENT FELONIES, ACTIVE BYSTANDER FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, IMPLICIT BIAS, AND CI, EXCUSE ME, C I T I THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ORDER.
I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD ORDER FOR US TO USE AS FAR AS THE TRAINING GOES.
THAT COULD PRIORITIZE SOME ITEMS THAT WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED BEFORE, UH, AS WELL AS ALSO ALLOW US TO TOUCH ON SPIDER THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH, UH, TRAINING FOR SUCH AS THE IMPLICIT BIAS.
BUT THIS IS, UM, UM, BASICALLY THE, THE, THE PRIORITIZED LIST AS I SEE IT, AND I'M OPEN TO ANY CHANGES THAT BOARD MEMBERS MAY HAVE.
TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU, MR. CHAIR.
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YOU.DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, UM, RE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT THE CHAIR SAID REGARDING, UH, THE TRAINING ITEMS? THE ONLY ONE I, UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE HISTORY OF POLICING DOWN MUCH FURTHER HISTORY.
BUT I DON'T PUT THAT AS A HIGH PRIORITY.
UH, SO THE ACTIVE SHOOTER, I THINK MANY OF US HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT ONE.
UM, SECONDLY, IS THERE A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF US THAT CAN DO THESE TRAININGS AT ANY GIVEN TIME? DO WE KNOW THEY'RE MAKING THE TRAININGS AVAILABLE FOR THE FULL BOARD? SO THEY'RE, SO WHATEVER TRAININGS THEY ARE, THEY'LL, THEY DO THEM SO THAT THE FULL BOARD CAN PARTICIPATE.
SO ONE OR TWO OF US JUST COULDN'T GO IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHEN WE HAD TIME.
I'D HAVE TO ASK 'EM, I MEAN, THEY'RE RUNNING AN ENTIRE ACADEMY, SO I WOULD HATE TO ASK THEM TO DO A TRAINING FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE IF IT'S SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN HIT A BUTTON.
BUT MOST OF YOUR TRAININGS THEY'VE ACTUALLY LECTURED AND THEN BROUGHT, LIKE THE LAST ONE YOU GUYS DID WITH THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM, THERE WAS A FULL LECTURE AND THEN THEY, IT WAS A SATURDAY AND THEY BROUGHT ALL THE LEADERSHIP FROM THAT TO THE TRAINEE ACADEMY TO DO THE DEMONSTRATION.
SO I THINK IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT IT ENTAILS.
I THINK IF IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WHERE THEY CAN JUST PUT IT ON A SCREEN AND LET IT ROLL, BUT A LOT OF THEM, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF HANDS-ON.
I CAN CLARIFY IF ANY OF THESE ARE KIND OF MORE KIND OF SELF-PACED WHERE PEOPLE CAN KIND OF JUST COME AND GO.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR.
I DON'T, LEMME AND, AND, AND, AND LASTLY, UH, THAT EXCESSIVE FORCE, IS THERE A TRAINING FOR IT? 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT HERE AND I KNOW IT WOULDN'T BE BUNDLED INTO DEESCALATION.
SO DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S AN EXCESSIVE FORCE TRAINING THAT IS GIVEN TO, UH, POLICE OFFICERS OR CADETS USE OF FORCE? WOULDN'T THAT BE USE OF FORCE TRAINING? MM-HMM.
I'M WRITING YOUR QUESTIONS DOWN.
BOARD MEMBER MAPLES AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I CAN CLARIFY WITH THE ACADEMY? DEFINITELY GET USED TO FORCE TRAINING
I KNOW THEY DO A LOT OF SCENARIO BASED TRAININGS, ET CETERA.
UM, AND SOME OF THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE COVERED IN DEESCALATION ONE, BUT I WILL CLARIFY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, ON THE TRAINING PIECE? ANY QUESTIONS FROM OVER HERE? OKAY.
ANY QUESTIONS ONLINE, MS. SANFORD? NO.
CHAIR, ARE ARE YOU GOOD? YOU GOOD WITH THE THIS DISCUSSION? I AM, I AM.
OKAY, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM THREE A, WHICH IS, UH, JUNE, 2023 DEATHS IN CUSTODY OF XAVIER FRANKLIN AND ROY G. WHITAKER BY SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. SIR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
DURING THE MONTH OF JUNE, 2023 IN TWO DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT DEATHS IN CUSTODY, I WILL GIVE A SUMMARY OF EACH CASE AND THEN SHOW THE VIDEO.
CASE ONE IS XAVIER FRANKLIN ON JUNE, 2020 FIRST, 2023, APPROXIMATELY 11:00 AM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STOP INVOLVING A PERSON OF INTEREST AND AN ONGOING MURDER INVESTIGATION.
THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION DETERMINED THE DRIVER, XAVIER FRANKLIN 39, WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT INCIDENT ON AN OUTSTANDING WARRANT, WAS TAKEN TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS TO BE INTERVIEWED REGARDING ONGOING INVESTIGATION.
AFTER THE INTERVIEW, MR. FRANKLIN TOLD OFFICERS THAT HE WAS FEELING ILL AND THAT HE NEEDED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL.
DI DALLAS FIRE RESCUE WAS IMMEDIATELY NOTIFIED AT 3:11 PM B F R RESPONDED AT 3:15 PM TOOK MR. FRANKLIN TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL AT 3:37 PM ARRIVING AT 3:10 PM MR. FRANKLIN DIED AT THE HOSPITAL AT 9:00 PM DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT IS CONDUCTING A DEATH AND CUSTODY INVESTIGATION.
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DALLAS MEDICAL EXAMINER CONDUCTED AN AUTOPSY ON JUNE 23RD.AUTOPSY AND TOXICOLOGY RESULTS ARE PENDING.
THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IN THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WERE MADE AWARE OF THE INCIDENT.
I WILL SHOW THE VIDEO OF THE DEATH IN CUSTODY ON JUNE 21ST, 2023.
OKAY, MR. WILLIAMS ARE, ARE, DO YOU HAVE A VIDEO? YES, I DO.
ROGER, AS I SHARE WITH YOU,
WHERE HEADED BROTHER? OKAY, WE, WHAT'S THAT? WE SIT UP, COME GET.
I'M I'LL CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
I'M HAVING CONVERSATION WITH YOU, MAN.
WHAT'S UP BROTHER? WHAT'S UP? NO, WE HAVE TO DO IT WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET, BROTHER.
YEAH, THERE'S HURTING TO FEET.
YEAH, WE JUST, I MEAN, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME.
WE JUST STOP AND HOLLER AT FOLKS LIKE, HEY, YOU KNOW, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.
HEY MAN, DO YOU GOT A TEXAS ID OR MISSISSIPPI OR I, I JUST GOT A TEXAS ID LAST THURSDAY.
WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? FRANKLIN.
YOUR FIRST NAME? BROTHER MISSISSIPPI.
HUH? YOUR FIRST NAME? H A H C X.
WHAT'D YOU SAY LIKE THAT? V I E R? YEAH.
WHAT'S YOUR DATE OF BIRTH YOU, SIR.
YOU GOT A GOOD PHONE NUMBER? YEAH.
UM, YOU SAID YOU JUST GOT ONE? I JUST GOT MY ID TODAY.
WHERE YOU WORKING AT? I'M WORKING.
YEAH, MAN, LIKE I SAID, WE JUST, WE STOP AND HOLLER AT FOLKS, YOU KNOW.
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GOING.CAN'T DO, CAN'T GET EVERYBODY
YOU SEE, Y'ALL SEE HOW COMMON IT IS? IT'S CRAZY.
AND IF YOU STEP OUT FOR ME, BROTHER, WHAT? STEP OUT FOR ME REAL QUICK.
LET'S GO PUT YOU IN HANDCUFFS.
YOU'RE JUST DETAINED RIGHT NOW.
YOU GOT ANY WEAPONS ON YOUR BOSS? GO BACK.
I'LL GET YOU FILL IN JUST A SECOND.
YOU SAID YOU DID HAVE YOUR CELL PHONE? YEAH.
I'LL GET YOU FILL IN A SECOND.
YOU KNOW, IF HE GOT ANY WARRANTS OUT OR ANYTHING BY CHANCE? UH, POTENTIALLY WARRANT OUT FROM WHERE? UH, FOR WHAT THE F**K, HOW OLD IS THAT? DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW, MAN.
HEY, CAN YOU UNLOCK IT? I'M SORRY.
UH, KEYS ON YOUR KEYS ON YOUR BELT? YEP.
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WHAT'S INSIDE? THANK YOU.OH, THAT DO NOT? YEAH, I, I GO TO THE HOSPITAL.
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HEY, LEMME KNOW IF YOU NEED TISSUE.OKAY? I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR HAT REAL QUICK.
FOR WHAT? HUH? FOR WHAT? UH, I ALL THEY GOT, I THINK THEY GOT OKAY.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DO FOR YOU TODAY? I ALREADY HOSPITAL.
YOU SAID YOU ALREADY I E R SPELL ONE MORE TIME.
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READY? THAT'S, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.HE, HE PERISHED AT 9:00 PM THAT EVENING.
CHAIRMAN, BACK TO YOU FOR ANY COMMENTS.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, UH, ON CASE NUMBER ONE? ON ITEM THREE A? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN THE TOXICOLOGY REPORT IT DOESN'T APPEAR? SO MA'AM, IN THE, IN THE DOCUMENT HERE, IT'S SAYING THAT THERE'S STILL AWAITING, UH, PENDING, SO UNFORTUNATELY NOT, UM, BRIAN BAUGH, DISTRICT FIVE.
DO WE HAVE, I, IT SEEMS FROM THE VIDEO THAT HE MENTIONED HE WAS FEELING WELL ON THE WAY TO THE INTERVIEW.
THAT ITSELF, DO WE HAVE ANY INDICATION DID HE SAY ANYTHING FURTHER IN THE INTERVIEW OF FEELING SICK? MR. WILLIAMS? DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANYONE ALSO ON HERE FROM D P D THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? YES, WE HAVE SEVERAL DP D P D OFFICERS ON.
THAT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
WE COULD HAVE THEM TURN THEIR CAMERA ON AND TAKE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS MAYBE FROM SOME BOARD MEMBERS.
MR. WILLIAMS, WHO DO WE HAVE ON FROM D P D? UM, WE HAVE LIEUTENANT, A SERGEANT, SEVERAL LIEUTENANTS.
SERGEANT, I A D FIGURE SOMEONE, ONE, THE FIVE OFFICERS THAT ARE UNOCCUPIED TO ANSWER A QUESTION.
UM, I DON'T WANNA CALL OUT ANY PARTICULAR OFFICER'S NAME.
BRIAN, LET'S COME BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.
UM, MR. MR. WILLIAMS, LET'S MOVE ON TO CASE NUMBER TWO AND IF D P D CAN COMES ON, WE'LL, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND SO THAT MR. V CAN ANSWER, CAN ASK HIS QUESTION? YES, SIR.
THE SECOND DEATH IN CUSTODY IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, WHICH IS THE THIRD DEATH IN CUSTODY INVOLVING A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER IN 2023.
ON JUNE 28, APPROXIMATELY 1:28 AM DALLAS POLICE OFFICER FERNANDO GONZALEZ WITNESSED A DRIVER HIT A VEHICLE IN THE AREA OF, UH, 9,500 BLOCK CF HAN FREEWAY SERVICE ROAD, EASTBOUND AND, AND DROVE AWAY FROM THE CRASH.
THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION DETERMINED OFFICER GONZALEZ CROSSED ST.
AUGUSTINE DRIVE STOPPED THE DRIVER AT THE 9,500 BLOCK OF CF H FREEWAY SERVICE ROAD, WESTBOUND AT 1:29 AM OFFICER ROBERTS, PAM CRENSHAW ARRIVED AT THE SCENE TO ASSIST OFFICER GONZALEZ.
THE DRIVER, 70 OLD ROY WHITAKER WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY WITHOUT INCIDENT FROM MISDEMEANOR WARRANT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AT AROUND 1:49 AM THE OFFICERS WERE SEARCHED, SEARCHING WHITAKER.
HE BECAME SICK AND ASKED OFFICERS FOR HELP.
OFFICERS THAT IMMEDIATELY REQUESTED DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE.
AND ON THE SCENE, SUPERVISOR TOLD THE OFFICERS TO REMOVE THE HANDCUFFS FROM FROM WHITAKER AT 1:55 AM D F R ARRIVED AT THE SCENE AT 1:59 AM WHITAKER WAS PLACED ON THE STRETCHER INTO THE AMBULANCE.
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D F R STARTED C P R AND REQUESTED D F R ENGINE TO RESPOND, TOOK WHITAKER TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL AT 2:17 AM ARRIVING AT 2:27 AM MR. WHITAKER DIED AT THE HOSPITAL AT 2:42 AM THE DRIVER OF THE, OF THE HIT CAR INITIALLY CRASHED, DROVE AWAY FROM THE SCENE AND DID NOT RETURN TO MAKE A REPORT.DALLAS POLICE SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT IS CONDUCTING A DEATH AND CUSTODY INVESTIGATION.
THE DALLAS MEDICAL EXAMINER CONDUCTED AN AUTOPSY ON JUNE 29TH.
AUTOPSY AND TOXICOLOGY RESULTS ARE PENDING.
EXCUSE ME, OFFICE COMMITTEE, POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND THE DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WERE BOTH NOTIFIED.
HEY MAN, YOU KNOW I'M PULLING YOU OVER.
YOU GOT DRIVER'S LICENSE INSURANCE? YEAH.
THAT CAR, THAT CAR CUT IN ON ME A LITTLE.
WHERE YOU COMING FROM? I JUST GOT BINGO.
WHERE'S YOUR I INTENT? THIS CAR HAVE INSURANCE? HUH? THIS CAR HAVE INSURANCE? UH, YEAH.
IT'S, IT'S THROUGH MY, MY, UH, WHO I MAKE MY CAR PAYMENT.
YOU FIND YOUR INSURANCE, HUH? I STEP WITH THE CAR, ROY.
MAKE YOU GOT NO KNIVES, NO GUNS.
THIS YOUR, CHECK YOUR FEET UP FOR ME AND, UH, PUT YOUR HANDS ON HERE.
AND WHAT'D I DO, SIR? YOU HIT THAT CAR.
WE DIDN'T HIT EACH OTHER, BRO.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEY, THAT'S WHY THEY LEFT.
YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU THE DAMAGE ON YOUR CAR? YES, SIR.
YOU COME, YOU COME OVER WITH ME.
WHAT IS THAT? WHAT IS THAT? YOU TELL ME THAT WAS LIKE THAT.
NO, THAT WASN'T LIKE THAT BECAUSE I SAW THAT CAR.
I AIN'T I SAW YOU HIT HIM TRYING TO BURN OFF.
YEAH, BUT THEN THE OTHER CAR BURNED OFF ON US.
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HAVE A SEAT.YOU GOT SOME WARRANTS WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF.
OKAY? KEEP YOUR HANDS BACK ON YOUR BACK.
I DON'T HAVE ANY WARRANTS, SIR.
YOU TELL DO SO WHERE WARRANTS AT? UH, TELL THAT'S NOT A WARRANT, SIR.
OH, YOU GOT 'EM AND I'M TAKING YOU ON.
CAN I, CAN I EXPLAIN WHAT THEY DID? YEAH, GO AHEAD.
THEY TOLD ME TO COME DOWN THERE TODAY ON, THAT WAS THIS MONTH.
THAT WAS ON THE SIXTH OF MONTH WHEN I YEAR OLD SON SEEN WEARING A BLACK SHIRT.
BLACK CAR AT THE TIME WAS POSSIBLY EIGHT.
UH, HE HAS NOT BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ANYTHING BUT TO, YES, MR. I'M GONNA SEARCH YOU GUYS ANYTHING.
YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANYTHING ILLEGAL IN THE CAR YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
OKAY? HEY, YOU MIND IF, UH, YEAH, NO, GO AHEAD.
YOU WANNA PUT HIM UP, UH, UP IN THE CAR.
YOU GOT THE MONEY? WHICH ONE? INSIDE? YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE INSIDE? WHAT'S YOUR CONDITION? WHAT YOU NEED? HAVE, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UH, MEDICAL ISSUES? YES.
WHAT YOU HAVE? YEAH, PLEASE HELP.
PLEASE LET ME GET ON, GET ON MY TEETH.
I PUT THEM ON, I THE 3, 4 6 CAN HELP THE COMING.
WHAT IS YOUR GUYS' ADDRESS? ADDRESS? I'LL DO IT.
YOU KEEP EYES ON SIX ROAD WESTBOUND AND
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LIGHTS.WHEN WE HANDCUFF HIM, WE'RE GONNA KEEP HIM ON HIS RIGHT SIDE IN THE RECOVERY POSITION.
WHAT'S HE SAY? UM, UNCOVER HIM AND, UH, GIVE HIM A RIGHT SIDE RECOVERY QUESTION.
HEY, WANNA PUT YOU IN THE RECOVERY POSITION, ALL RIGHT.
I'M GONNA SCOOT YOU DOWN OFF THIS CURB.
ALRIGHT? SCOOT YOU DOWN OFF THIS CURB.
HEY, WHAT KIND OF MEDICAL PROBLEMS YOU GOT? WHAT KIND OF MEDICAL PROBLEMS YOU GOT? BOSS.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S ANYTHING BESIDES THAT.
YOU TAKE MEDICATION, YOU, YOU TAKE MEDICATION.
WHAT'S THE LAST TIME YOU GOT YOUR MEDICATION? THIS MORNING.
THIS MORNING? HOW LONG ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING IT? DAILY.
WILL HE IS AT HIS MEDS? 15 22 40 0 1.
SO MEDICAL IS ON YOUR VEHICLE OR ON THE POCKET? DO YOU HAVE IT? I'M ASKING HIM, SIR.
SO MEDICAL, DO YOU HAVE IT ON YOUR VEHICLE? ON, ON YOUR POCKET? WHAT ARE YOU ASKING HIM? LIKE THE, HE HAVE ANY BETTER MEDICINES ON, UH, THE VEHICLE.
OKAY, BECAUSE I FOUND SOMETHING.
UH, WHAT'D YOU FIND? LIKE, UH, MOSTLY LIKE WORKS AND, UH, SOME, UM, UM, MOSTLY LIKE THE KITCHENS KNIVES.
SO I JUST WONDER HE KEEP, UH, HIS MEDICAL MEDICINE IN THE, HIS VEHICLE.
HOW YOU FEELING MAN? UH, HEY, TALK TO ME.
HOW YOU FEELING? BETTER? YOU FEELING BETTER? SORRY.
I KNOW MY DAD AND HIS FAMILY ARE FROM, FROM
HIS FAMILY, UH, GREW UP OFF WESTMORELAND AND UH, DAVIS.
YOU EVER BEEN OVER THERE? YEAH.
WHAT COLOR WAS THE PART YOU HIT? OKAY, WE HAVE TO SEE HER.
WHAT'S THE STORY? I GUESS BASICALLY HE HIT ANOTHER CAR OFFICER, ARMED UNIT PULLED CAR OFF.
THE ORIGINAL CAR HE HIT ALSO TOOK OFF.
SO WE WERE WAITING TO SEE IF THAT CAR WAS GONNA COME BACK.
WE HOOKED HIM UP ONCE WE HANDCUFFED HIM AND SEARCHED HIM.
SO HE TELL SL STARTED COMING UP.
SO WE'RE LIKE, WE'RE NOT EVEN GONNA BOTHER ARRESTING HIM ANYMORE.
CHASE CAR STILL COMING WITH JUDGE BECAUSE IT HAS NO ISSUE.
GONNA CHECK YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE.
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HEY BOY.YOU GOT YOUR CUFFS BACK, RIGHT? I GOT IT.
ROY, JUST TO MAKE SURE HE DOESN'T MAKE SURE HE'S GONNA BE OKAY.
HOW HE TIME? WAS HE TALKING? YEAH, HE WAS TALKING.
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED ON THE WRECK.
WE BACK TO YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON UH, THE TWO VIDEOS THAT WE'VE WATCHED? OKAY.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, MEMORANDUM ITEM THREE B, WHICH IS, UH, THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OF RYAN M. TAYLOR.
UH, INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. YES, SIR.
DURING THE MONTH OF JULY, THERE WAS ONE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
THIS IS THE FIFTH DALLAS POLICE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OF 2023.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY OF D P D'S SUMMARY OF THE EVENT.
DALLAS POLICE CONTINUES TO INVESTIGATE THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED ON JULY 25TH, 2023 AT THE 7,200 BLOCK OF LAMONT AVENUE.
THIS IS THE FIFTH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING INVOLVING DALLAS POLICE, DALLAS POLICE OFFICER THIS YEAR ON JULY 25TH, ABOUT 11:00 AM DALLAS NORTHWEST CULVER IN CRIME.
RESPONDS, RESPOND TEAM OFFICERS WERE DOING SURVEILLANCE ON A STOLEN U-HAUL TRUCK PARKED AT 9,600 BLOCK OF EL CENTRAL DRIVE.
PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION DETERMINED OFFICER SAW SUSPECT 41 BUREAU.
OLD RYAN TAYLOR GET INTO THE TRUCK AND DRIVE AWAY.
THE COVID OFFICERS CALLED IN THE MARKED PATROL OFFICERS TO CONDUCT
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A FELONY STOP OF THE TRUCK.WHILE AT THE STOP SIGN AT DUNH AND LYNN PLA PLACED, TAYLOR INTENTIONALLY BACKED INTO THE OCCUPIED HOBERT VEHICLE, CAUSING THE AIRBAGS TO DEPLOY AND PUSHING THE VEHICLE INTO THE FIRE HYDRANT.
UNIFORMED OFFICERS ATTEMPT TO STOP TAYLOR, BUT HE SPED AWAY ON THE STREETS HITTING SEVERAL VEHICLES AND INTO THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY WHERE HE HIT MORE CARS.
TAYLOR EXITED THE, THE TOLLWAY DRIVING UNTIL HE REACHED 1700 BLOCK OF LAMONT AVE HITTING MORE VEHICLES IN THE NORTHBOUND LANES, CROSSING THE CENTER MEDIUM AND HITTING THE TREE ON THE WEST SIDE OF LAMONT AVENUE.
TAYLOR ABANDONED THE TRUCK AND RAN TOWARDS A PRIVATE HANGAR BUILDING OFFICERS CRAVEN AND ADDITIONAL OFFICERS RAN TO THE SUSPECT.
THE INVESTIGATION DETERMINED TAYLOR RAN INTO AN OPENING OF THE BUILDING AND FIRED A HANDGUN AT LEAST TWICE AT OFFICER CRAVEN.
OFFICER CRAVEN RETURNED FIRE HITTING TAYLOR IN THE LEG.
OFFICERS CRAVEN AND OTHER OFFICERS TOOK TAYLOR INTO CUSTODY INSIDE THE BUILDING.
DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE RESPONDED AND TOOK TAYLOR TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT.
TAYLOR'S HANDGUN WAS RECOVERED FROM THE SCENE, WHICH WAS RE WHICH WAS REPORTED STONED.
THEY JUST TURNED ON THE BE A HACK WESTBOUND.
GOING WESTBOUND ON JUST TURNED NORTHBOUND ON POST S**T.
IT'S LIKE ONE OF THEIR BACK TIRES IS GONNA GET OUT.
WHICH ONE? RIGHT? OR THOUGH MY SIDE, THERE'S STILL SOUTHBOUND AND DALLAS ONE TO UH, DUDE, I GOT MORE COMING UP THAT YOU JUST KIND OF OVER ANYWAY.
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JUST KIND OF STAY BACK A LITTLE BIT.WHERE STILL GOING SOUTHBOUND ON D T IF SOMEBODY CAN GET ME THAT PLATE SO I CAN PUT THE REGISTRATION INFO ON THERE.
WE NEED TO NOTIFY THE TOW OF WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE, SARAH? 46.
WHAT IS THIS EXIT WAS GONNA SAY WE'RE IN THE EXIT.
WE FROM WHITE CLIFF JUST TOOK THE WHITE CLIFF EXIT GOING WESTBOUND AT 2,500.
SHOW ME YOUR F*****G HEAD OUT.
DO NOT F*****G MOVE YOUR HANDS.
WHERE'S THE GUN BEHIND HIM? ALRIGHT, CRAWL FORWARD TOWARDS US.
ARE WE READY? I GOT KEEP COMING.
WE NEED SOME OFFICERS OUT HERE.
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AMBULANCE.I'M PUTTING THE TOURNIQUET ON.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. APPRECIATE THAT.
BOARD MEMBERS, ANY ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE, UH, ON THE VIDEO WE JUST REVIEWED? UM, UH, THE, THE FIRST TWO, UM, WERE EACH GENTLEMAN, UH, TOOK ILL, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT WAS VERY UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY GOT SICK AND DIED.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT, UH, WOULD, UH, POINT THE FINGERS AT, UH, D P D FOR THAT, THE LAST VIDEO.
I LIVED THAT IN REAL TIME BECAUSE THAT'S MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO ALL THE ALARMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALL NEXT DOOR WERE GOING OFF.
AND AGAIN, I, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE WAY THAT WAS HANDLED EITHER.
I THE, WITH THE FIRST TWO INCIDENTS ON, UH, THREE, WHAT IS IT, THREE A, UM, WITH THE TWO GENTLEMEN THAT, THAT PASSED, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY STILL WAITING ON THE TOXICOLOGY AND MEDICAL EXAMINER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
UM, I JUST, I APPRECIATE D P D, UM, CALLING MEDICAL ASSISTANCE, D F R, BEING THERE ON THE SCENE AND DOING WHAT THEY DO.
UM, AND THEN, UH, WITH THIS DEAL, THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, GREAT WORK BY THE MEN AND WOMEN OF D P D, UM, OVER AT LOVE FIELD.
CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GREAT THINGS ABOUT, UH, HOW THAT WENT DOWN.
AND LUCKILY, UH, LUCKILY WE DIDN'T LOSE ANY, ANY, UH, RESIDENTS IN THAT DEAL.
SO, UM, IF, UH, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU.
I WAS GONNA SAY LET'S KEEP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY IN YOUR PRAYERS.
WE'VE HAD THREE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.
SO YOU HAD THIS ONE, WE HAD ONE LAST WEEK AND WE ALREADY HAD ONE THIS WEEK.
SO WE'VE HAD THREE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS ONE WEEK EVERY WEEK FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
SO, UH, LET'S JUST KEEP THE MEN IN, THE MEN AND WOMEN IN BLUE AND ALSO OUR COMMUNITY AND IN YOUR PRAYERS.
HOPEFULLY THIS IS NOT A PATTERN THAT WILL CONTINUE WITH THREE SHOOTING EVERY WEEK FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS.
SO, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE THREE A, THREE B, UM, DIRECTOR, WE'RE UP TO, UM, THREE C UH, C P O B ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, SO I SHOULD BE GETTING THAT TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE BY THIS FRIDAY.
UM, AND THEN I WILL WORK WITH THAT COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT, TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS, FIGURE OUT ANYTHING YOU WANNA HAVE CHANGED OR NOT CHANGED, UM, ET CETERA.
HOPEFULLY GONNA ADD SOME GRAPHICS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I'LL AT LEAST GET THE TEXT OVER TO YOU BY THIS FRIDAY.
UM, AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN PUT THAT TO REST.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD? OKAY.
UH, THREE D IS OUR D P D MONTHLY ARREST DATA DIRECTOR.
DID YOU WANT TO GO OVER THAT OR, SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, WHEN YOU HAD YOUR JUNE MEETING, THE MAY NUMBERS WERE NOT AVAILABLE BECAUSE WE HAD JUST HAD THAT RANSOMWARE ATTACK.
SO I'M VERY HAPPY TO SAY THAT MY COLLEAGUES AND THE UM, G S I TEAM WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET YOU ALL OF YOUR DATA.
SO YOU HAVE MAY YOU HAVE JUNE AND YOU HAVE JULY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT, BUT I WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO GO BACK AND GET YOU THE CURRENT, WHICH WAS JULY, AND ALSO GET YOU TO PASS MAY AND JUNE.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS ON ITEM THREE D? AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN PULL THOSE OUT AND TAKE THOSE WITH THEM AND REVIEW THOSE AS WELL AT THEIR LEISURE.
SO FEEL FREE TO DO THAT GUYS IF YOU, IF YOU NEED TO.
UM, OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE E.
UM, THE MONTHLY MEETING WITH D P D CHIEF, UH, EDDIE GARCIA, BETWEEN, UH, THE CHAIR AND DIRECTOR MCCLARY.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO TURN THIS ONE OVER TO THE CHAIR.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET TODAY.
WE NORMALLY TRY TO MEET THE TUESDAY, BUT TODAY A LOT OF YOU, I'M SURE THE COUNCIL HAD THEIR FIRST KIND OF BIG BUDGET BRIEFING.
SO ALL THE DIRECTORS, INCLUDING CHIEF GARCIA WERE KIND OF HELD UP HERE IN THE CONFERENCE COUNCIL CHAMBERS ALL DAY.
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SO WE DIDN'T MEET TODAY, BUT I KNOW THAT HE AND THE CHAIR MET LAST MONTH IN JULY AND I WASN'T ABLE TO GO TO THAT MEETING.SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S STILL ON THE LINE.
IF HE IS, HE WOULD HAVE TO GIVE YOU ALL THE UPDATE ON THE DISCUSSIONS HE AND CHIEF GARCIA HAD AT THE JULY MEETING.
WE'LL, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL CATCH UP WITH THAT ONE ON, IN, ON SEPTEMBER'S MEETING, IF THAT'S OKAY.
UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE F UH, UH, AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF, UH, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR DIAMOND ROSS.
SO, UM, EVERY MONTH I CHECK, AND THE CASE IS STILL IN LITIGATION, SO I'LL ALWAYS MAKE A PLUG TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THAT AS AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.
I MEAN, BY THE TIME DIAMOND ROSS IS LITIGATION IS CONCLUDED, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REALLY WORRIED THAT ALL OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE GONNA KIND OF BE STALE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THIS CASE COULD GET TIED CASES IN LITIGATION OF THIS NA MAGNITUDE COULD GET TIED UP FOR YEARS.
SO, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE IS THAT IF A CASE IS IN LITIGATION, SOME OF YOU ARE REALLY NEW.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMEMBER HOW THIS HAPPENED.
LITERALLY, THE, THE LAWYER FILED THE LAWSUIT THE MONDAY BEFORE YOUR TUESDAY MEETING
SO YOU WERE ALL GEARED UP THAT YEAR TO HEAR IT AND THEN THE LAWYER FILED A LAWSUIT LITERALLY THE DAY BEFORE YOUR MEETING BACK IN.
I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER NOW IF THIS WAS 21 OR 22.
UM, BUT I JUST REALIZED THAT A LOT OF YOU ARE NEW AND DON'T HAVE, AND I'M GONNA STILL SEND IT TO YOU ALL JUST SO YOU COULD SEE THE ROBUSTNESS OF THE INVESTIGATION SO THAT WHEN WE DO GET TO TALK ABOUT IT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
UM, AND THEN WE ALSO ARE LOOKING AT, UM, FIVE OTHER CASES RIGHT NOW, UM, THAT WE MIGHT BE TAKING ON AS INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS.
SO WE'LL LET YOU GUYS KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE PAN OUT.
SO YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU YOUR JUNE REPORT FOR THE, UH, COMPLAINT.
SO IN THE MONTH OF JUNE, UM, THE OFFICE, WE HAD, UM, 48 COMPLAINTS THAT CAME IN, WHICH BROUGHT OUR YEAR TOTAL TO 492 SO FAR SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
UH, YOU WILL SEE YOUR COMPLAINTS SUMMARIES THERE.
UM, THESE ARE, REMEMBER THESE ARE JUST THE COMPLAINTS THAT CAME INTO OUR OFFICE.
UM, THEY DON'T INCLUDE THE COMPLAINTS FROM D P D.
UM, AND SO YOU WILL HAVE THOSE SUMMARIES THERE FROM JUNE.
AND IT ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE INCLUDE THE COUNCIL DISTRICT, ET CETERA WHEN WE KNOW IT.
UM, YOU ALSO HAVE, IN YOUR SAME PACKET, YOU ALSO HAVE THE COMPLAINT SUMMARIES FOR JULY.
SO IN THE MONTH OF JULY, UM, THE OFFICE WE DID, WE HAD 42 COMPLAINTS.
AND SO WE ARE UP TO 496 COMPLAINTS, UM, AS OF THE END OF JULY.
AND SO WE ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA DO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COMPLAINTS.
AND THEN THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE THE INQUIRIES.
UM, SO AS YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALK TO AT LEAST A THOUSAND PEOPLE WITH THE INQUIRIES AS WELL AS THE COMPLAINTS EVERY YEAR.
SO I'LL GET YOU, THEY'LL START GETTING YOU THOSE INQUIRY NUMBERS AGAIN AS WELL.
BUT IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THE SUMMARIES, UH, ANY OF THE CASES THAT CAME INTO OUR OFFICE, UM, I CAN ANSWER ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS.
AND IF YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST EMAIL ME AND SAY, HEY, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THIS CASE OR THAT CASE, AND I CAN LET YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT 'EM.
ANY QUESTIONS ON, UH, ON THAT ITEM? ITEM FOUR.
LET'S SEE, FOUR B, UH, MOVING OVER TO, LET'S SEE, WHAT IS THIS? THE, UM, I'M SORRY.
UM, C P O B BOARD TRAINING SCHEDULE.
SO FOR THE MONTH OF JULY, UM, THE MONTH OF JUNE, THIS HAPPENED BEFORE YOU, UM, GUYS MET, BUT THERE WAS THAT NACO SEMINAR, UNDERSTANDING FORCE USED AND AFFECTING ARREST.
AND THEN IN JULY THERE WAS A WEBINAR, THE EVOLUTION OF THE USE OF FORCE.
UM, AND THEN OF COURSE NOVEMBER'S COMING UP AND, UM, FOR THE NACO CONFERENCE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS I, I CAN SAY IS THAT I MIGHT, I THINK WE ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN OUR BUDGET THAT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO, I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN COVER COST OF YOUR TRAVEL AND HOTEL, BUT IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN PLANNING TO GO, THE OFFICE CAN PROBABLY PAY THE REGISTRATION FEE.
WE'D OBVIOUSLY WANNA MAKE THAT HAPPEN 'CAUSE WE CAN PULL IT OUT OF THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.
UH, BUT MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GO, 'CAUSE I'D HATE TO PAY FOR RENT AND TRANSIT AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA PHYSICALLY GO TO THE CONFERENCE.
UNFORTUNATELY THIS YEAR THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE BACK TO ALL IN PERSON.
SO, UH, SO IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY GOING TO CHICAGO, JUST TALK TO ME OFFLINE AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR YOU.
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GONNA SEND YOU GUYS AN EMAIL.YOU ALL SHOULD BE GETTING THE EMAILS 'CAUSE THE BOARD HAS ITS OWN MEMBERSHIP TO N HOLD.
I PAY FOR YOUR OWN MEMBERSHIP AS WELL AS THE OFFICE HAS A SEPARATE ONE.
UM, BUT REMEMBER, THERE'S ALWAYS ALL KIND OF WAYS TO GET INVOLVED.
THEY HAVE ALL KIND OF SUBCOMMITTEES AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HAVE NOT ONLY STAFF, PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND MR. WILLIAMS, BUT ALSO BOARD MEMBERS BE ON THESE SUBCOMMITTEES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND SO, UM, I'M GONNA UPDATE IT 'CAUSE OF COURSE WE HAVE SOME NEW BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, I'M GONNA UPDATE THE LIST, THE ROSTER FOR THE BOARD WITH NACO, BUT THIS BOARD HAS ITS OWN MEMBERSHIP TO NACO AND BOARD MEMBERS.
I WAS A SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER ON THE OPERATIONS PIECE FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS.
UM, STEPPED OFF, UH, EARLIER, UH, THIS PAST YEAR.
UH, JUST COULDN'T FIT IT INTO MY SCHEDULE WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON.
SO IF YOU CAN GET INVOLVED, PLEASE DO.
THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR GOOD PEOPLE TO HELP OUT AND, UM, AND SO THEY'VE GOT A GREAT MISSION.
UM, MOVING ON TO, UM, ITEM NUMBER SIX, BOARD MEMBER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT'S HAPPENED IN THEIR, IN THEIR AREA? I KNOW, UH, MR. MAPLES, YOU JUST DID THE SANTOS, UH, UH, RODRIGUEZ REMEMBRANCE.
UM, SO MAYBE WE CAN ADD THAT ONE IF IT'S NOT ALREADY ON THERE.
OUT AT, UH, OUT AT, UM, AT CLYDE WARREN.
HOW DID THAT GO, KRISTA? WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ON THAT? IT WAS A REALLY GOOD EVENT.
WE ACTUALLY BOUGHT, UH, ATTENDEES TO STOP BY OUR TABLE.
UM, OFFICER WILLIAMS CREATED A GAME THAT THEY COULD INTERACT WITH AND PEOPLE WERE LEARNING ABOUT WHO THE BOARD IS, WHAT WE GENERAL LEGAL ISSUES IN THE CRIMINAL SPACE.
AND SO TO THE EXTENT FOLKS MAY WANNA DO THIS, UM, BUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BASED ON DIFFERENT HOLIDAYS, ET CETERA, I THINK CLYDE IS OPEN TO US BEING OUT THERE AND BEING PRESENT.
UH, MR. MAPLES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING ON THE SANTOS RODRIGUEZ? UM, YEAH, I MADE A
UH, IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE, UH, STORY OF SANTOS RODRIGUEZ, I WOULD, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ IT.
UM, IT WAS, IT WAS 50 YEARS AGO, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND IT WAS ANOTHER EVENT THAT I LIVED, I WAS FIVE YEARS OLD.
NO, I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD AND MY FATHER WAS INVOLVED, UH, WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON.
HE AND PONCHO MADANO AS IT RELATES TO, UM, TRYING TO BRING JUSTICE TO OFFICER KANE.
BUT IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS OF EVENTS.
DIRECTOR MCCLARY, UH, CAME OUT AND SUPPORTED ME AS WELL AS MR. GRAM.
UM, SO IT WAS, IT WAS, IT ENDED, UH, LAST WEEK WITH A, UM, UM, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? JASMINE CROCKETT DID A, A DEAL TO MAKE SURE IT REMAINS IN THE HALLS OF CONGRESS FOR FOREVER AND EVER.
AND IF YOU EVER ARE DOWN BY LITTLE MEXICO VILLAGE, GO BY AND, AND SEE THE, THE STATUE.
IT WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT.
MS. GILBERT SMITH, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING TO THE, UH, CLYDE WARREN FESTIVITIES? IT WAS FANTASTIC.
I, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED AT THE PARTICIPATION IN THE GAME.
THERE WAS A LINE, EVERYONE AND ALL OF THE, UM, THE PRIZES WERE VERY RELEVANT.
UH, IT WAS GOOD WELL ATTENDED.
AND SO, JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, WE WILL PUT THEM TOGETHER FOR YOU.
UH, LUCKILY IT WAS THE OPPOSITE WAY AROUND FROM MR. MAPLES.
HE HAD ALREADY PUT IT TOGETHER AND WE JUMPED ON THE BANDWAGON.
BUT NORMALLY IF YOU SAY LIKE A BOARD MEMBER, SANFORD AND BOARD MEMBER GILBERT SMITH SAID, HEY, WE WANNA DO THIS THING AND WE WANNA DO IT HERE.
YOU KNOW, WE PUT THE ADVERTISEMENTS OUT, WE GOT ALL THE GIFTS, WE PUT THE GATE.
SO I JUST WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE, 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE STILL HAVEN'T DONE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT I KNOW A LOT OF YOU GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLATE.
JUST GIVE US YOUR VISION AND WE'LL HELP YOUR VISION COME TO FRUITION.
I ALSO WANNA GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMAN, 'CAUSE SHE ACTUALLY CAME OUT TO CLYDE WARREN PARK.
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SO SHOUT OUT TO HER.UH, A BOARD MEMBER SANFORD'S, UM, COUNCIL PERSON CAME OUT.
BUT I ALSO WANNA JUST GIVE YOU GUYS SWAG.
SO THOSE OF YOU THAT IN THE BUILDING WHEN YOU LEAVE TODAY, SO THESE ARE YOUR, YOUR NEW BAGS.
SO, UM, AND THEN THERE'S A LOT OF GOODIES ON THE INSIDE, THE GOODIES ON THE INSIDE.
BUT EVERY TIME WE ORDER STUFF FOR US, WE ORDER STUFF FOR YOU.
SO YOU'LL GET, YOU'LL HAVE STUFF, THE STUFF THAT'S IN THE BAG THAT JUST SAYS THE OFFICE.
NOW WE HAVE ORDERS COMING THAT SAY C P O B.
UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO BE OUT INVISIBLE.
WE JUST DID THE MAYOR'S BACK TO SCHOOL FAIR.
SO A LOT OF YOUR BAGS WENT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, SO THE PEOPLE KNOW WHO THE BOARD IS, UM, ET CETERA.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO STUFF AS AN OFFICE, WE TRY TO SUPPORT YOU.
AND I ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOU GUYS DO THE SAME THING, LIKE HOW BOARD MEMBER MAPLES BROUGHT US IN ON THE STUFF THAT HE WAS DOING.
SO JUST BE ENCOURAGED, CALL ME WITH IDEAS AND WE WILL HELP YOU PUT IT TOGETHER.
WE WILL TAKE YOUR VISION AND HELP AND RUN WITH IT SO THAT YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE TO BE BURDENED WITH DOING ALL THE HEAVY LIFTING.
OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE SEPTEMBER 12TH, UH, PER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE AGENDA WILL BE POSTED 72 HOURS PRIOR TO THAT MEETING.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO ENSURE A ROBUST AND TRANSPARENT AGENDA FOR ALL.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA, PLEASE GET IT INTO, UH, THE CHAIR AND UM, AND THEN HE'LL MAKE SURE IT GETS ONTO THE AGENDA.
OKAY? UM, SECOND, I KNOW, UH, THE, UH, THE LAST THING WE HAVE IS, UH, WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT.
UH, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE ANY, ANYONE HERE FOR THAT, BUT I AT LEAST WANNA PUT IT OUT BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE SOME PEOPLE ONLINE AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.
MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU CHECK AND SEE IF ANYBODY ONLINE? I THINK EVERYBODY'S YES MA'AM.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NO ONE LINE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS. SO THAT MOVES ON FROM THERE.
UM, WITH THAT, UH, WE CAN ADJOURN.
CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN.
ALRIGHT, MR. MR. MARSHALL SECOND, UH, VOTE.
WHAT'S THAT? HELL, NOBODY EVER LOOKS SMALL ON THAT ONE.