[Community Police Oversight Board on August 8, 2023.]
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MR. FLORES, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BACK.
UM, AND I'M TRYING TO, I'M SORRY.
FOR SOME REASON YOU'RE NOT SHOWING UP AS AN INTERPRETER.
AND IF HE AS AN ATTENDEE, THAT'S STILL WRONG.
BECAUSE HE SHOULD COME IN AS I UNDERSTAND THE PANELISTS.
LEMME, LEMME SEND YOU THE, YOU NEED TO CLICK ON THE LINK THAT I EMAILED YOU 'CAUSE YOU'RE COMING IN AS AN ATTENDEE.
I, I, I'M CLICKING, MA'AM, I'M CLICKING ON THE EMAIL YOU JUST SENT ME ABOUT HALF AN HOUR AGO.
AND IT BRINGS ME HERE, UH, THE, A WHILE AGO I WAS AS AN INTERPRETER, THEN I WAS KIND OF BUMPED OFF AND NOW I'M COMING BACK.
IS IT, THERE SHOULD BE TWO INTERPRETERS, TWO PEOPLE.
I'M STILL SET AS THE PANELIST.
REASON MR. FLORES IS SAYING YOU ARE NOT IN THE MEETING, BUT YOU'RE CLEARLY IN THE MEETING.
IS IT SAYING THAT YOU ARE NOT IN THE MEETING ORIGINALLY? I WAS ALL THE WAY ON THE BOTTOM ON THIS MEETING.
SHE'S THERE NOW INSTEAD OF ME.
I MEAN, I WAS THERE AND NOW SHE'S THERE AND I'M NOT, I'M NOT AS INTERPRETER.
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WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE OTHER INTERPRETERS SITUATED.
SO I HAVE SOMEBODY COMING ON THE LINE THAT SHOULD HOPEFULLY HELP US BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD BECAUSE THEY DON'T
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MS. MCCLARY.MS. MCCLARY, MR. CHAIR, WE DO HAVE ONE OF OUR INTERPRETERS HERE, SO I'M GONNA ASK IF MS. DEION CAN TAKE THE FIRST PART OF THIS, SO YOU ALL CAN GO AHEAD AND START, AND THEN WE'LL WORK ON GETTING THE OTHER INTERPRETER IN ON THE BACKEND.
SO YOU MAY GO AHEAD AND START MR. CHAIR.
UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
HI, I'M JOSE REVIS, VICE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD, AND SO WE'LL GET STARTED.
THE MISSION OF OUR OF THE POLICE, UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENTAL EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED FAIR AND THOROUGHLY.
OUR TRANSPARENT AND ENSURE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENCE HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS INCLUDE, UH, ENSURING THE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS.
REVIEW THE FACTS OF EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
DIRECT THE MONITOR, UH, TO INITIATE AN INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH EXCEPT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.
TAKE SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.
REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS. A BOARD DECORUM, UM, DURING OUR BOARD MEETINGS, UH, MEMBERS AND, UH, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT.
POLICE PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM, UH, BY NEITHER, UH, HAVING CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS, NOR REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
ALL MEMBERS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, TO CITY EMPLOYEES, AND TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND SHALL REIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS.
UH, REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.
UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, BEGIN WITH, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT HERE SHORTLY.
BUT FIRST I WANNA DO ROLL CALL.
UM, D ONE IS, UM, UH, MR. SMITH, HE'S ABSENT TODAY.
DISTRICT NINE, MR. SANFORD, DISTRICT NINE.
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SHE'S, UH, ABSENT.DISTRICT 13, NATHAN KIPPLER, DISTRICT 13.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, PRESENT AND DISTRICT 15.
PER OUR ADOPTED RULES OF PROCEDURE SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON WITH SOME DISCRETION.
UH, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS TONIGHT, WE ONLY HAVE TWO, UH, SPEAKERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK, UM, DURING PUBLIC COMMENT.
OUR UNDERSTAND THAT OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND TO HAVE A HEALTHY, UH, AND SPIRITED DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ESTABLISH SOME STRUCTURE ON HOW WE ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
UM, OKAY, SO LET'S GO WITH OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MS. DOLORES PHILLIPS.
DOLORES PHILLIPS, YOU DO HAVE A FIVE PAGE HANDOUT.
I'VE BEEN SPEAKING SINCE 2012.
THEY STARTED ERASING DOCUMENTS BEFORE YOU HEAR THE DOCUMENTS ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS RECENTLY BEING ERASED.
THEY HAVE IT IN THEIR ARCHIVES THAT I STARTED SPEAKING IN 2013, BUT I STARTED SPEAKING IN 2012 ABOUT A COVERUP BACK IN 2009.
I KEPT SPEAKING BEFORE MAYOR ROLLINS AND HE GOT TIRED.
HE REALLY GOT ANGRY, AND HE PREARRANGED A MEETING FOR OCTOBER 25TH, 2013.
I REALLY WANT YOU TO READ THOROUGHLY.
GO TO THE LINK AND READ ABOUT CORPORAL COTNER.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN EXPLOITED MENTAL ILLNESS IS TRIGGERED BECAUSE I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG.
I KNEW EVERY, EVERYTHING WAS GOING TO BE OFF THAT DAY.
AND PEOPLE GO THROUGH THIS ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY POOR PEOPLE BEYOND RACE.
AND SIR, THIS IS UTMOST RESPECT TO YOU.
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, F B I, I'VE WRITTEN TO HONORABLE CHIEF, MR. JUSTICE JOHN ROBERTS, JR.
WHEN YOU SEE THIS FIVE PAGE HANDOUT OF CORPORAL COTTON, I KNEW THAT HE HAD BEEN TRIGGERED BECAUSE EVER SINCE I WAS YAY BIG, I WAS BEEN STUDYING HUMAN BEHAVIOR.
IT TOOK ME THREE YEARS TO FIND THIS ARTICLE BECAUSE THEY KEPT REDIRECTING ME.
WHEN I WOULD GO AND TRY TO SEARCH RETALIATION BY THE CITY OF DALLAS.
CORPORAL COTTON WANTED NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
HE TOLD ME THAT MORNING WHEN HE CAME DOWN TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF AT THIS PREARRANGED MEETING THAT HE HAD TALKED TO THE MAYOR.
IT'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THE WAY THE ENERGY WAS, THE WAY CORPORAL COTTON LOOKED, IT WAS GONNA GO BACK.
NOW, DON'T FORGET 'CAUSE YOU CAN SEE I'M BLACK.
I KEPT WATCHING CORPORAL COTNER.
I KEPT WATCHING HIS GUN BECAUSE I'M BLACK AND I KNEW IT WAS BAD WHEN THEY TOOK ME TO GREEN OAKS.
THEY FORGOT TO SAY I DROVE FROM U N T DALLAS WITH A 3.0.
THEY FORGOT TO SAY THAT THEY INTERCEPTED MY COURT DOCUMENTS THAT I WAS GONNA RETRIEVE FROM DOWNSTAIRS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE MEETING.
SO THESE ARE POINTS OF IRREFUTABLE FACT.
I DON'T FIGHT POLICE NEVER ARGUE WITH POLICE, NOR WILL I EVER.
THE OCTOBER 25TH, 2013 MEETING AT DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS, 1400 SOUTH LAMAR HAM JOHN, NOW WAS PREARRANGED TWO TO THREE WEEKS PRIOR BY MAYOR ROLLINS.
THE MEETING WAS HELD ON THE FIRST FLOOR IN THE LOBBY FOR ALL TO SEE A TWO HOUR PLUS MEETING WHEN THEY RELEASED THE VIDEO OF THE MEETING.
MIND YOU, IT'S CAMERAS ALL OVER LIKE THIS.
THEY RELEASED FIVE, FIVE MINUTE VIDEO CLIPS.
TWO OF THE FIVE MINUTE VIDEO CLIPS WAS THE SAME WITH DIFFERENT TIMESTAMPS, BUT THEY TOOK OFF CORPORAL NER BEING ANTSY AND ANXIOUS BECAUSE THAT WAS SELF-INCRIMINATION.
THE BROTHER DIDN'T WANNA HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
BUT I CAN'T GIVE HIM NO EXCUSES.
HE CAN TESTIFY, KNOW WHERE HE IS.
SHE HAD THE CD SHE HAD THE 9 1 1 CALLS THAT END UP COMING UP MISSING.
THAT'S ALSO NOW MISSING IN DC 2 1 0 6 2 9 9 2 SEALED ENVELOPES WITH MEDICAL IMAGES OF MY BACK.
F B I FILES 9 1 1 CALLS, BODY CAM AND DASH CAM.
I'M KNOCKING ON DOORS, NOT JUST FOR MYSELF, BUT FOR POOR PEOPLE BEYOND RACE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK, BUT IN FEAR BECAUSE DALLAS, THEY COME AT YOU REAL HARD.
THEY USE PEOPLE LOOK LIKE YOU COME FROM WHERE YOU COME FROM TO SILENCE YOU, MA'AM.
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THANK YOU, MA'AM.OKAY, NOW WE, UM, I HAD A SLIP OF PAPER UP HERE THAT SAID WE HAD ANOTHER SPEAKER, BUT I'VE, UH, BEEN INFORMED THAT THAT SPEAKER, UH, IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM TWO A TONIGHT.
SO WHEN, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL START WITH THE MEETING AND WHEN WE COME UP TO ITEM TWO A, UM, MR. LANE, OKAY, WE'LL CALL YOU UP.
OKAY? I AM SUPPOSED TO BE SPEAKING AND I'M ONLINE AND I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE I'M AT IN THE PROCESS.
MY NAME IS KIMBERLY JEFFERSON AND I HAVE MY SON TERESA JEFFERSON WITH ME.
UH, MS. JEFF, WE HAVE MS. JEFFERSON, WE HAVE YOU DOWN FOR ITEM TWO B.
AND IT WOULD BE MYSELF AND ALSO MY SON WHO WAS THERE ALSO.
OKAY, WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE MOVING ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS IN JUNE? DAVID KITLER, MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
I DO KNOW WELL, NOT, UH, ON ITEM TWO B, IT SAYS THE CHAIRMAN, WHAT IT SHOULD SAY, THE VICE CHAIRMAN, SINCE THE CHAIRMAN WAS NOT HERE.
BUT OTHERWISE I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
CAN WE GET A SECOND D WADSWORTH, DISTRICT 12 SECOND.
UM, ANY, UH, LET'S PUT IT UP FOR A VOTE.
WE'RE GOOD WITH APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES WITH, UH, THAT SMALL, UH, SLIGHT ADMIN MODIFICATION.
UH, BEFORE WE GET TO, UH, TWO FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, UH, TONIGHT, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME TWO NEW MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD, UH, FROM DISTRICT FIVE AND DISTRICT SIX.
SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
ALRIGHT, UM, MOVING ON TO ACTION ITEM, UH, TWO ALPHA.
UH, MR. CHAIR, THIS IS, UH, I JUST WANTED TO, TO, UH, SAY MY NAME FOR THE ROLE CHASE FOR NOT BE KERRY JUNIOR DISTRICT THREE.
UH, I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING PRESENT, I THINK THE VICE CHAIR FOR, FOR, UH, PROCEEDING.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'VE TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID, AND SO I WANTED TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE TODAY.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WE, WE GONNA HAVE MR. UM, DARNELL LANE SPEAK BEFORE WE, UM, PRESENT THE ITEM TWO A.
MR. WILLIAMS, UM, I KNOW, UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE UP FOR ITEM TWO A.
CAN, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND TURN UP YOUR SPEAKER OR, 'CAUSE WE COULD BARELY HEAR YOU AND THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? SIR? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? UH, MR. WILLIAMS, STAND BY ONE SECOND.
MR. LANE, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.
MY NAME IS DARNELL LANE AND I LIVE HERE IN DALLAS, TEXAS, DISTRICT THREE AREA.
I'M HERE TO HOLD DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE SPECIFIC LOCAL RETAIL FOOD CHAIN, SERIOUS PIZZA, RESPONSIBLE FOR A HEARING TO THEIR OATH TO UPHOLD POLICIES,
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PRACTICES, AND CODE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FEDERAL, STATE, AND CITY AMERICA DISABILITY ACT GUIDELINES.ALSO KNOWN AS A D A, NO ONE, INCLUDING MYSELF, SHOULD BE DENIED ACCESS WHILE ATTEMPTING TO GIVE RETAIL STORES A FEDERAL OR STATE IDENTIFICATION CARD, LEGAL, MEDICAL, PROFESSIONAL DOCUMENTS, OR DIAGNOSED CONDITIONS TO UTILIZE THEIR STAFF OR PUBLIC RESTROOMS DUE TO THEIR DISABILITY.
IF A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT CHOOSES TO IGNORE A PERSON WHO IS TRYING TO PRESENT SUCH DOCUMENTS, THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
'CAUSE THIS IS WHY A D A IS IN PLACE.
WHILE SERVING AS A SERGEANT IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY, I WAS DEPLOYED TO AFGHANISTAN, KUWAIT, AND IRAQ, WHERE I SUSTAINED LOW EXTREMITY LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES THAT LED TO ME SPECIFIC DISABILITIES.
BECAUSE OF THOSE WOUNDS AND INJURIES, I HAD TO BE MEDEVACED OUTTA COMBAT IN A TWO-WAY WOUNDER WARRIOR BATTALION UNIT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF WHERE I HAD TO UNDERGO SURGERIES REGARDING MY LOWER EXTREMITIES, MY LIFE HAS CHANGED, DRASTICALLY CHANGED, AND HAS BEEN A CONSTANT FIGHT.
HAVING TO EXPLAIN MYSELF ABOUT MY DISABILITY JUST TO GET ASSISTANCE FROM PUBLIC SERVANTS AND PRIVATE BUSINESSES.
THIS BATTLE LEADS ME IN CONSTANT DEPRESSION AND SUICIDAL AT TIMES BECAUSE OF THE SHAME OF ASKING STRANGERS FOR HELP WHILE I'M PUBLIC AND NOT HAVING A NORMAL LIFE ANYMORE.
A POLICE OFFICER HIRED TO WORK FOR PROPERTY OWNED COMPANIES, I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MEANS THEY ONLY ANSWER TO THE FOLLOWING COMPANY'S INSTRUCTIONS.
RATHER, I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SET FORTH FOR THE PROTECTION SERVICE DEESCALATION AND ASSISTANCE OF CITIZENS AND CITIZENS WITH DISABILITY CHANGES IS NEEDED IF THERE IS NO SUCH POLICY IN PLACE AMONG DALLAS BUSINESSES AND DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENTS.
2023 HAS SERIOUS PEACE WITH THEM REFUSING TO GRAMMY ACCESS TO THE TOILETS DURING REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS.
DESPITE MY DISABILITY AND MY POLITE PLEA FOR ASSISTANCE FROM TWO UNIFORM DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS INSIDE SIRIUS PIZZA, THEY FAILED ME.
AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FAILED ME.
TWO DALLAS POLICE OFFICERS DIS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ME AND DECLINED TO ASSIST ME IN BRIDGING THE GAP BETWEEN MYSELF AND SIR PIZZA MANAGER BY NOT GIVING ME COURTESY OF CHECKING MY ID AND MY SUPPORTING MEDICAL DOCUMENTS.
NOR DID THEY TRY TO DATE DEESCALATE THE MATTER THAT IT WOULD ALLOW ME ACCESS TO SIR PIZZA OF RESTROOMS DURING THEIR REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS.
I THEN HAD TO CALL 9 1 1 TO ASSIST, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO SHOW UP AND RESPOND IN TIME.
AS A RESULT OF THIS NEGLECT, I HAD TO ENDURE URINE AND BOWEL LEAKAGE RIGHT INSIDE THE RESTAURANT AS UNITED STATES ARMY, RETIRED SERGEANT, I HAD TO HIRE EXPECTATIONS FROM THE CITY.
PLEASE HEAR ME WHEN I ASK ALL TO MAKE CHANGE SO NO ONE WITH A DISABILITY WILL ENDURE WHAT I HAD TO ENDURE.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
MR. MR. LANE IS REQUESTING THAT WE REVIEW HIS COMPLAINT AT OUR MEETING TONIGHT.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE, SORRY ABOUT THE ECHO.
WE ALSO HAVE MEMBERS OF D P D INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, THAT WILL BE ON THE LINE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND FACTS OF, OF THE, OF THESE TWO CASES.
UM, MR. LANE IS INCIDENT TYPE IS THE I A D COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION, I A D NUMBER E C 20 23 6 0 6 0 3 AND NI 20 23 5 22.
UM, THE, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATIVE DEPARTMENT IS THE UNIT DOING THE INVESTIGATION.
THE DE THE DEPOSITION IS
WE HAVE TWO OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATIVE DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE, IS I A D THE ALLEGATION IS DISCOURTEOUS AND UNPROFESSIONALISM AND BODY-WORN CAMERA
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VIOLATION POLICY.THE, UM, SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT COMPLAINANT ALLEGES THAT OFFICERS WOULD NOT ACCOMMODATE THIS AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT APPROVAL PAPERWORK, E P D, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIVE SUMMARY STATES, AFTER REVIEW OF INFORMATION PROVIDED, WE ARE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DE DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
AS A RESULT, IT'S DETERMINED THAT NO INVESTIGATION IS WARRANTED.
THE SECOND CASE, MISS MR. LANE HAS, IS PRETTY MUCH A DUPLICATE.
THE DEPOSITION IS NO INVESTIGATION OR FAIR TO ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT WHICH REQUIRES AN INVESTIGATION.
THERE WAS NO OFFICER THAT WAS NAMED THE SYNOPSIS OF THE INCIDENT.
MR. LANE DID NOT ARTICULATE A NEW COMPLAINT INVOLVING ANY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION SUMMARY.
AFTER REVIEWING THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN YOUR LETTER, YOU FAILED TO ARTICULATE A COMPLAINT THAT, THAT WHICH WOULD REQUIRE AN INVESTIGATION BY OUR OFFICE.
NOW, CHAIRMAN OF BOARD MEMBERS, MR. MR. LANE, WHEN TALKING TO THE OFFICERS, NEITHER ONE HAD A BODY-WORN CAMERA ON BECAUSE I, I ASSUME IF THEY ARE OFF DUTY OFFICERS WORKING IN A PRIVATE BUSINESS, BUT WE DO HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA OF THE OFFICERS.
ONCE MR. LANE HAD LEFT AND SAW HIMSELF AND LEFT THE SITUATION, LEFT THE BUSINESS OFFICERS WHO WERE CALLED OUT, WE HAVE BODY CAMERA OF THEM AND THEIR ACTIONS WITH THE MANAGER AND I WILL PLAY THEM, UM, RIGHT NOW.
ARE THERE, UH, ARE THERE ANY BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS TO PLAY A VIDEO? OH, OH, HE IS GETTING READY TO PLAY A VIDEO OR ROGER, MR. WILLIAMS. IT'S PRETTY HARD TO HEAR YOU, BUT, UM, THEY KNOW THAT YOU'RE GETTING READY TO PLAY A VIDEO.
I JUST, IN CASE YOU ALL COULDN'T HEAR IT, THE TWO OFFICERS THAT WERE WORKING WERE, I THINK WORKING LIKE, UM, THEY WERE OFF DUTY.
THEY WERE WORKING SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT, YOU KNOW, UM, AS SECURITY AS SIRIUS PIZZA.
SO THEY DID NOT HAVE THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERA ON, BUT A UNIT DID RESPOND.
UM, AND WE WANNA SHOW YOU THE INTERACTION WITH THAT UNIT AND WITH THE OTHER OFFICERS THAT WERE THERE.
'CAUSE WE THINK IT'S RELEVANT TO MR. LANE'S CONCERNS.
IT'S ONLY ABOUT TWO MINUTES LONG, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL INTERACTION BETWEEN MR. LANE AND THE OFFICERS.
SOMEBODY THEY P****D THEMSELVES BECAUSE YOU, YOU GUYS MADE A GUY LET HIM USE THE, AND THEN HE CALLS BACK AND SAYS IT'S OKAY.
HE DOESN'T PD ANYMORE BECAUSE HE SOIL MR. WILLIAMS, MAYBE YOU CAN PLAY THAT AGAIN.
IT'S A LITTLE, IT WAS A LITTLE DISTORTED.
I THINK THAT THE, THE CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT BETWEEN, SO THE, THE TWO, THE OFFICER'S HAMMERS THAT YOU'RE WATCHING RESPONDED, AND THE TWO OFFICERS THAT THEY'RE WALKING UP TO ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY INTERACTED WITH MR. LANE.
BUT THE CONVERSATION, I THINK IS, WOULD BE RELEVANT FOR THE BOARD.
SO CAN CAN IT BE HEARD? I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.
THEY COULDN'T HEAR ANY OF THE CONVERSATION TO BE HEARD ON THE VIDEO.
IT CAN BE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THEM TO PLAY IT AGAIN.
YOU CAN HEAR THE CONVERSATION ON THE VIDEO.
IS THERE A TRANSCRIPTION BY CHANCE OR YEAH, YEAH.
ARE YOU, CAN YOU, MR. WILLIAMS, DO YOU WANNA SUMMARIZE OR DO YOU WANT ME TO SUMMARIZE IT? YOU CAN HEAR THE CONVERSATION, BUT THERE IS NO TRANSCRIPT OF IT.
BUT COULD YOU JUST SUMMARIZE A HARD TIME HEARING ANYTHING FROM HIM? OKAY.
CAN IT NOT BE, HEY, MR. WILLIAMS, TRY THE VIDEO AGAIN.
MAYBE, UM, MAYBE LOWER, MAYBE LOWER THE VOLUME A LITTLE BIT.
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YEAH, I MIGHT AS WELL ALWAYS HAVE VIDEO REPORT STILL HERE.WELL, YOU GUYS CAUGHT MAKING MAN CALLS.
SOMEBODY CALLING OUT ONE TO P****D THEMSELVES.
YOU GUYS MADE A GUY KEY HIMSELF.
YEAH, HE GOT, HE GOT, HE GOT HIT.
GUYS WOULDN'T LET HIM USE THE LAST, AND THEN HE CALLS BACK AND SAID, IT'S OKAY.
HE DOESN'T ME ANYMORE BECAUSE HE'S SOILED.
SO WERE WE ABLE TO HEAR THAT ANYMORE? IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF HIM.
SO WHEN, SO WHEN THE FEMALE, SO WHEN THE FEMALE OFFICER WALKED IN, SHE SAID TO THE TWO OFFICERS THAT INTERACTED WITH LAN, SHE SAID, YOU GUYS MADE A GUY PEE HIMSELF.
AND THEN THEY WERE JUST LAUGHING AND JOKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY HAD INTERACTED WITH SOMEONE THAT PEED THE HIMSELF.
SHE'S LIKE, YOU GUYS MADE, YOU GUYS MADE SOMEBODY PEE THEMSELVES.
AND THEN THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH LAUGHTER ABOUT THAT SITUATION WHEN Y'ALL HEARD THE PART WHERE SHE SAID ALSO HE SOILED HIS PANTS AND ET CETERA.
UM, INTERNAL AFFAIRS OR D P T.
UM, WHO, WHO'S ONLINE FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS? LIEUTENANT ANTHONY GREER.
ALL RIGHT, MR. GREER, WE'VE GOT BOARD MEMBERS HAVE GOT QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS, UH, VIDEO WE JUST SAW AND THE, AND THE, UM, CONVERSATION HEARD ON BODY CAMERA, BODY-WORN CAMERA.
UH, I I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU'RE OFF DUTY LIKE THESE TWO POLICE OFFICERS WERE, DO THEY STILL HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES AS A POLICE OFFICER TO ENFORCE THE LAW? ABSOLUTELY.
UH, HOW, HOW, HOW CAN YOU CONDONE THE LAUGHTER AND THE COMMENTS? I THINK FIRST WE NEED TO BREAK THE, BREAK IT UP INTO TWO SECTIONS.
THE FIRST SECTION IS PERTINENT TO, UH, MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT.
HIS COMPLAINT WAS THAT THE OFFICERS THAT WERE THERE WHEN HE ARRIVED DID NOT LET HIM USE THE RESTROOM.
EXTERIOR
THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THE COMPLAINT.
WELL, LET, LET ME ASK, CAN I STOP YOU RIGHT THERE AND JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND? YES, SIR.
WHAT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAW IS ON THE A D A ON THIS, BUT, UM, IS IT A VIOLATION OF THE LAW IN THE SITUATION DESCRIBED TO NOT ALLOW HIM TO USE THE EMPLOYEE BATHROOM? DO YOU KNOW? WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK IN, LOOK INTO THE ADA, A PAPERWORK.
WELL, WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, IS IT A VIOLATION OF LAWS SUCH THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANY OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO ISSUE A CITATION OR ENFORCE THAT LAW? YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO DEL DUB THE DEEPER INTO THAT.
I CAN'T THERE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION.
WHAT? OKAY, MR. GR, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT LAST PIECE, PLEASE? WAS THAT DIRECTED TO ME? YES, I I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND YOUR RESPONSE.
WE'LL HAVE TO DIG DEEPER INTO THAT AND FIND OUT THE SPECIFICS ABOUT THE A D H, UH, FEDERAL LAW AS IT APPLIES TO USING A PRIVATE RESTROOM.
LET ME JUST REMIND BOARD MEMBERS.
I SEE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WITH RED, THAT MEANS YOUR MIC'S ON.
IF YOU CAN CUT YOUR MIC OFF AND KEEP YOUR MIC OFF.
AND THEN ALSO, EVERYBODY THAT'S ONLINE, FOR SOME REASON, IT PROBABLY NOT YOU GUYS 'CAUSE IT'S ALL OF YOU.
SO, LIEUTENANT GREER, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER.
UM, THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE JUST HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU IN YOUR RESPONSES.
MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THE CONDUCT OF THE OFFICERS IN THE LAUGHTER AND, AND THE COMMENTS REGARDING WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COMPLAINANT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT D P D WOULD UM SAY IS OKAY CONDUCT? WE DON'T, WE DON'T CONDONE THAT CONDUCT, BUT CERTAINLY IT WAS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF MR. LANE.
NEITHER WAS ANYONE ELSE PRESENT.
IT WAS BETWEEN OFFICERS THERE ON SCENE.
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EXCUSE ME.UH, MR. GREER, UM, THERE, THERE'S A SAYING THAT SAYS, UM, INTEGRITY IS DOING THE RIGHT THING, UM, WHEN NO ONE'S THERE TO SEE IT OR HEAR IT.
UM, THAT, THAT ANSWER THAT YOU GAVE REGARDING THE SECOND, UM, UH, PART OF THIS, UH, COMPLAINT, UM, IT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE FLOOR TO, UM, MS. WATTS.
UH, MS. LAUREN GI GILBERT SMITH.
UM, MY QUESTION IS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE OFFICERS ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LAW, THE FEDERAL LAW REGARDING DISABILITIES? HELLO? HI.
UM, SO REGARDING THE A D A, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR THOSE OFFICERS WERE WITH THAT PORTION, SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THEM.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE OFFICERS REFUSING TO READ THE CARD AS WHEN HE PRESENTED IT WAS FOLLOWING POLICY PROCEDURES? SO AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL HAVE TO REVIEW WHEN IT COMES TO A D A AND HOW THAT IS APPLIED.
AND, AND SEE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE SERVANTS OF THE CITIZENS AND BY REFUSING TO COOPERATE THAT THEY'RE VIOLATING A POLICY.
AND THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION.
UH, MR. MAPLES, UH, DISTRICT TWO.
UH, UH, MR. GREER, UH, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS, THERE WAS NO ONE THERE THAT HEARD THAT, BUT THERE WAS, I'M A UNITED STATES MARINE RETIRED.
I HEARD IT, AND IT IS ABSOLUTELY APPALLING BECAUSE I GOT FRIENDS WHO ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION, AND THAT ABSOLUTELY TURNED MY STOMACH.
UM, DO WE KNOW IF HE WAS, IF, IF MR. LANE WAS A CUSTOMER OR IF MR. LANE JUST HAD TO USE THE RESTROOM? AND THE REASON I ASK THAT IS, IS DO THEY LET ONLY CUSTOMERS USE THEIR RESTROOM? YEAH.
THAT WASN'T SPECIFIED IN HIS LETTER.
UM, YEAH, I, I JUST, I JUST, I JUST THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S ABSOLUTELY APPALLING TO TREAT ONE OF OUR VETERANS THAT WAY.
AND, AND YES, SOMEONE DID HEAR IT.
I WASN'T THERE THAT EVENING, BUT I HEARD IT NOW AND IT RATTLES ME JUST AS MUCH.
I ALSO SPEAK DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT SIX, THE FLOOR.
I'M LOOKING AT A CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WAS, UM, AS OLD AS WHEN HALL, UH, CHIEF HALL WAS HERE BACK IN, IN 2012.
THE NEW, A NEW ONE HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT UP, BUT READING FOUR POINT 11, IT SAYS, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL AT ANY TIME RIDICULE, MOCK THE RIDE, TAUNT OR BELITTLE ANY PERSON.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DALLAS POLICE.
THE SECOND ONE SAYS FOUR POINT 12 SAYS, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL WILLINGFULLY EMBARRASSED, HUMILIATE OR SHAME ANY PERSON.
SO EVEN IF HE HAD NOT EVEN SHOWED THE CARD, HE'S STILL A PERSON.
HE HAD, HE DIDN'T NEED TO DIS UM, TALK ABOUT HIS DISABILITY.
HE JUST NEEDED TO BE A PERSON.
AND ALSO ON FOUR POINT 16 IT SAID, NO EMPLOYEE.
AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DALLAS, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND REMEMBER, THIS IS A OLD CODE OF CONDUCT THAT HASN'T BEEN UPDATED.
IT SAYS NO EMPLOYEE WILL MAKE ANY COMMENT OR EXPRESSION, EITHER WRITTEN OR ORAL, WHICH WOULD DERIVE, DEMEAN, CONDEMN, OR RIDICULE ANY PERSON BASED UPON THEIR RACE, ETHNICITY, SEX, RELIGION, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, EITHER ON DUTY OR OFF DUTY, OR ON OFF DUTY.
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SO, ONCE AGAIN, IT, IT WAS, IT IS NEVER ALL RIGHT FOR THAT TO HAVE HAPPENED FROM A DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, EMPLOYEE.WELL, IT DIDN'T TAKE BUT A BRIEF GOOGLE SEARCH TO FIND OUT.
THIS IS CALLED ALLIE'S LAW, A L L Y SS LAW.
IT IS RECOGNIZED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UM, AND WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT, UM, REQUIRES ALL RETAIL ESTABLISHMENTS TO ALLOW PEOPLE WITH CERTAIN MEDICAL CONDITIONS, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF DIGESTIVE ISSUES, UM, TO HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO AN EMPLOYEE RESTROOM IF NO PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE AVAILABLE AND MAY HAVE AN URGENT NEED.
SO ALL HE HAD TO DO IS VOICE THAT URGENT NEED, SHOW THIS CARD, AND THE POLICE OFFICER SHOULD HAVE ASSISTED TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE AWARE.
THIS IS A LAW IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND, AND MR. KITNER, GO AHEAD.
YEAH, I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING WAS SAID.
I, I, WHEN WE SEE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE BROUGHT TO US, IT SAYS NO VIOLATION WAS FOUND, BUT WE'RE NEVER TOLD WHY.
AND IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT IN THOSE SITUATIONS FOR US TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF IT.
SO I WOULD URGE THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHEN THEY LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND JUST SAYING, NO POLICY VIOLATION WAS FOUND TO ARTICULATE YOUR REASON FOR IT.
AND THIS GETS BACK TO WHAT MS. WADSWORTH JUST SAID.
IF IT'S A VIOLATION AND YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW IT, HOW COULD YOU COME TO THE CONCLUSION THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF POLICY.
YOU'RE SITTING HERE TELLING US YOU'RE GONNA LOOK INTO IT.
MS. WADSWORTH TOOK A MINUTE, FOUND IT, BUT YET YOU TOLD US THERE WAS NO VIOLATION.
THIS JUST SEEMS TO BE A TOTAL BREAKDOWN.
AND I WOULD URGE YOU, AS YOU DO THESE INVESTIGATIONS, TAKE 'EM SERIOUSLY AND TELL US WHY THERE WAS NO VIOLATION OF POLICY.
JUST DON'T SAY IT AS A A FACT AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.
IT LEAVES US HANGING WITHOUT ANYTHING TO GO ON.
MR. DAVIDSON FLOOR SERVICE? UH, YES.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION AGAIN FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, KIND OF FOLLOWING, UH, BOARD MEMBER KITNER'S, WHY QUESTION? AND JUST THE, THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS WE ALL WATCHED THIS VIDEO RIGHT NOW, UH, OF THE RIDICULE THAT HAPPENED, UH, POST THIS EVENT ON THE BODY WORN CAMERA.
DID YOU IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS, HA DID YOU SEE THIS VIDEO BEFORE, UH, TODAY AND WHILE YOU WERE CONDUCTING THE INVESTIGATION, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'VE SEEN IT? YES.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT VIDEO.
AND THE REASON, IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THAT VIDEO WAS BECAUSE THE, THE MR. LANE'S SPECIFIC COMPLAINT WAS FOR A SPECIFIC TIME.
AGAIN, MR. LANE WAS NOT PRESENT WHEN THOSE COMMENTS WERE MADE, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE NOT APPROPRIATE COMMENTS.
SO IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND THOSE OFFICERS, I'M SORRY.
SO THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU HAVE SEEN THIS VIDEO THAT JUST WANT, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM WHAT I'M HEARING.
THAT IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS VIDEO.
BUT AGAIN, THE ACTIONS OF THOSE OFFICERS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT WHEN HE WAS THERE ON SCENE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO AS FAR AS THE BREADTH OF THE INVESTIGATIONS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S, IT IS STRANGE TO ME THAT THE OFFICE
UH, MS. MS. LAUREN GILBERT SMITH FLOOR, YOURS.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M, I'M, I'M OLD AND SOMETIMES I, I'M SLOW AND UNDERSTANDING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE WAS NO POLICY VIOLATION BECAUSE YOUR OFFICERS WERE IGNORANT OF THE LAW.
SO, I JUST WANNA ADD, THIS IS GIRL, SO I JUST WANNA ADD CLARIFICATION.
WHEN WE RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT, WHAT WAS PRESENTED IN THE COMPLAINANT AND TO THE OFFICERS THAT YOU WAS A CARD THAT WAS BASED OUTTA WASHINGTON, WASHINGTON STATE.
AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS WHY THEY DID NOT PURSUE IT ANY FURTHER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE THE CARD WAS NOT ISSUED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, THEY WOULD NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAD
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A DISABILITY THAT REQUIRED OR GAVE HIM ACCESS TO THE RESTROOM? OH, THE, THE CARD THAT HE PRESENTED IS A CARD THAT HAS A WEBSITE AT THE BOTTOM, AND IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS STATE LAW.AND THE STATE LAW THAT THIS IS REFERENCING WOULD HAVE TO BE WITH WASHINGTON STATE LAW BECAUSE IT HAS THE WEBSITE FOR MORE INFORMATION.
UH, GO TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND WEB AT THE WEBSITE, AND IT'S GOING TO WASHINGTON STATE WEBSITE.
EARLIER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT DELVING DEEPER INTO IT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FEDERAL LAW.
UM, AND SO IT'S, I GUESS FOR WHAT HE PRESENTED IS A STATE LAW, WASHINGTON.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT FEDERAL LAW.
THE OTHER QUESTION, SO IF I'M DRIVING IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND I HAVE A NEW YORK DRIVER'S LICENSE, THEN MY LICENSE IS INVALID.
WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT, THIS IS A, A STATE LAW FOR, UM, HEALTH, HEALTH WEBSITE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DRIVER'S LICENSE.
IF IT WAS ISSUED BY THE STATE, IT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED THAT HE HAS A DISABILITY, JUST LIKE YOU ARE ISSUED A LICENSE TO DRIVE.
HE WAS ISSUED THAT CERTIFICATE SO THAT ANYONE READING IT WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HE HAD THE DISABILITY.
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW AN OFFICER OF THE LAW TO SERVE PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN, IN WASHINGTON.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING HERE.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR YES, MR. CHAIRMAN IA REGARDING THIS? OKAY, MR. FRIEDMAN, THIS FLOOR IS YOURS.
UM, YEAH, JUST, JUST A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, UH, THIS WEEK, I, IT, IT SEEMED LIKE NOT A VERY BIG DEAL.
AND THEN NOW THAT WE'VE SEEN THE VIDEO, THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT, I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT PERCEPTION OF THIS.
UM, I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH HERE ON THE LAW AND NOBODY REALLY UNDERSTANDS THE LAW.
UM, ESPECIALLY THE SPECIFICS OF, YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL A D A VERSUS WASHINGTON STATE LAW VERSUS TEXAS STATE LAW, THE VALIDITY OF THIS WASHINGTON CARD AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT COULD BE ENFORCED, UH, BY, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.
UH, SO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
UM, BUT I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO SAY, UH, I, AND I THINK I SPEAK FOR MOST PEOPLE WHO'VE SEEN THAT VIDEO, THAT IT'S PRETTY HORRIFIC IF THIS, IF THIS ALL BEARS OUT, UH, IF MR. LANE'S STORY, UH, IS AS HE DESCRIBES, IF HIS BACKGROUND IS AS HE DESCRIBES, UH, I THINK WE ALL SAW THE, THE SAME THING ON THAT VIDEO OF HOW THE OFFICERS TREATED HIM.
AND, UH, MR. REEVES, YOUR POINT ABOUT, UH, INTEGRITY IS, IS WHAT YOU DO AND NOBODY'S LUCKING IS, UH, UH, VERY RELEVANT HERE.
I KNOW I'VE TALKED TOO MUCH, BUT I, I, I FEEL AS I HEAR THIS, THIS IS JUST A LOT OF JUSTIFICATION FOR A BAD SITUATION AND A BAD INVESTIGATION.
LET'S JUST CALL IT WHAT IT WAS IN MY VIEW.
UH, YOU'RE SAYING HE HAD A CARD FROM WASHINGTON.
DID YOU EVEN TALK TO THE OFFICERS AND SEE IF THAT WAS THE REASON THAT THEY DIDN'T LET HIM USE THE BATHROOM? THEY THOUGHT IT WAS INVALID.
I'M JUST HEARING THINGS THAT ARE BEING TOLD TO US AS WE GO ALONG.
AND I THINK THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
MOST OF THE TIME YOU DIDN'T HEAR, AND YOU SHOULD JUST OWN UP TO IT.
UM, YEAH, I, I'VE, UH, I, I'M WITH, UH, MR. FRIEDMAN ON THIS ONE.
UM, IN THAT, WHEN I REVIEWED, UM, THE DOCUMENTS ON THIS CASE, UM, THAT WERE PROVIDED OVER, UH, LAST WEEK, UH, THAT I REVIEWED THEM THIS WEEKEND, YOU KNOW, I REALLY THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.
UM, THAT IT WAS A, IT WAS GOING TO BE A, UM, UH, AN ESTABLISHMENT, UH, IN AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT THAT'S GOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT SHOW UP AND TRY, YOU KNOW, USING THE BATHROOM AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
AND I GET IT, UH, BUSINESS OWNERS AND WHATNOT.
UM, BUT AFTER HAVING, UM, READ OR LISTENED TO MR. LANE, AND THEN ALSO, UM, YOUR GUYS', UM, THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT'S, UM, ATTEMPTED JUSTIFICATION AS TO WHY THIS, THIS IS A, UH, WHY THIS WAS, OKAY.
AND SECOND, UH, THE FACT THAT YOU GUYS DIDN'T EVEN KNOW OR REVIEW THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOR, UH, THAT THAT GOES INTO THE SECOND PART OF THIS CASE.
NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE MR. KITNER
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SAID, YOU GUYS DO A A GREAT JOB A LOT OF TIMES.UM, BUT ON THIS ONE, UM, YOU GUYS DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS ONE AND YOU NEED TO OWN IT.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL STOP WITH THAT COMMENT.
I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP NOW FOR A MOTION FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER ONE OF ITEM TWO.
UH, THIS IS JASON CARRY JUNIOR DISTRICT THREE.
I WOULD LIKE, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER ONE.
ROGER, ROGER, WE GOT A, A MOTION, UH, FOR CASE, UH, MOTION TO DO CASE NUMBER ONE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? JONATHAN, DISTRICT 10 A ALAN MARSHALL DISTRICT.
UM, MOVING ON TO A MOTION TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER TWO REGARDING
ALRIGHT, CAN I GET A, CAN, CAN I GET A, UM, UH, CAN I GET A VOTE ON, UH, CASE NUMBER ONE? AYE.
AYES HAVE IT MOTION, UH, FOR, UH, INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION FOR CASE NUMBER ONE ON TWO A IS APPROVED.
JUNIOR DISTRICT THREE, I MOVE FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF CASE NUMBER TWO.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR SECOND, AND, UH, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH SECOND.
UH, ANY, ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THAT? OKAY.
VOTE ON, UH, ON MOTION TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER TWO.
WE WILL DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON CASE NUMBER TWO FOR MR. DIELLE LANE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION, SIR.
UM, AS A, UH, AS YOU GOT A FEW AFGHAN, UH, VETERANS, UH, ON THIS BOARD, WHO, UM, WHO, WHO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, UM, A LOT OF TIMES THAT THIS IS A PERSONAL MATTER FOR US, BUT, UH, IT'S ALSO A STRUGGLE THAT WE DEAL WITH, UM, OUT IN PUBLIC AS WELL.
SO, UM, I, I, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY THAT HAPPENED TO YOU.
AND, UH, D P D IF YOUR OFFICERS ARE GONNA WEAR, UM, UNIFORMS AND DO, UH, PRIVATE WORK, YOU NEED TO STAND FOR, UH, DP THAT D P D UNIFORM FIRST.
MOVING ON TO, UM, MAN, THIS ONE GOT ME HOT.
UM, THIS ONE, UH, MOVING ON TO ACTION ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS, UH, KIMBERLY AND RACIA JEFFERSON.
UM, YES, I KNOW WE, WE HAVE THEM ONLINE.
UM, MS. MS. JEFFERSON, UH, DO YOU HAVE A, DO YOU HAVE A STATEMENT YOU NEED TO MAKE? UH, WELL, FIRST I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS ACTUALLY HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE BOTH FILLED OUT WHEN WE CAME TO THE DEPARTMENT TO READ.
AS FAR AS THE STATEMENT THAT I WANT TO, UH, MAKE, 'CAUSE IT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT TOOK PLACE, UH, FROM THE POINT OF NO, ME FINDING OUT LATER THAT THE GUY THAT WE WERE RENTING FROM IS A KNOWN FELON AND DRUG DEALER.
I'VE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED IN MY 54 YEARS OF LIFE.
I'VE ALWAYS ABIDED BY THE LAW.
I'M A LICENSED REALTOR WITH A DISABILITY.
UH, WE FOLLOWED EVERYTHING HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE.
WE HAD AN ATTORNEY TO HANDLE THE, HANDLE, THE CIVIL ACTION, UH, HIM NOT GIVING OUR TRUCKS BACK TO US.
UM, THE OFFICERS, THE DAY THEY PULLED GUNS ON US, UM, DID NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
SO I HEARD A CIVIL ATTORNEY, THE CIVIL ATTORNEY SAID THAT THE GENTLEMAN SAID WE COULD COME GET OUR THINGS AND WE COULD ASK FOR A POLICE.
WE ASKED FOR A POLICE STANDBY.
THEY CAME OUT, UM, UP ON ARRIVING.
I NEVER DID GET THEIR FULL NAME.
THE LADY AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT ACTUALLY CAME OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE AVOIDING OF GIVING, YOU KNOW, THEIR INFORMATION.
AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUR, OUR TRUCKS AND OUR TRAILER, OUR TRUCK WAS STILL STOLEN.
HEY, MS. JEFFERSON, THE TRAILER WAS MS. JEFFERSON.
IF I MAY, JUST REAL QUICK, UM, CAN YOU TURN YOUR CAMERA ON? YES.
AND THIS, LET ME SEE IF I CAN SEND MY VIDEO.
I'M ACTUALLY A ACTIVE POLICE OFFICER IN THE STATE
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OF TEXAS.I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER SIX YEARS.
AND I WOULD SAY THIS, THAT FOR WORKING FROM TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST BAFFLING EXPERIENCE I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED IN PRACTICE AS A POLICE OFFICER.
I HAVE TO SIT HERE AND MAKE A PLAY BEFORE A BOARD BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS THAT THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SHOWED, THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW AND JUST THE ALL OUT, JUST IGNORANCE OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT IS, IT'S BAFFLING AS A SIX YEAR POLICE OFFICER, I COULD NEVER IMAGINE TREATING AN INDIVIDUAL HOW MY MOM WAS TREATED OR HOW SOME OF THESE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WERE TREATED TODAY AS A POLICE OFFICER.
AND BACK TO, UM, SOON AS THEY DROVE UP, THEY SAID, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE ALL DAY.
WE HAD TO WAIT FOR A TOW TRUCK TO COME.
UM, THE GENTLEMAN CAME IN BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF STOLEN MERCHANDISE ON OUR TRAILER.
SO I ASKED THE OFFICER TO LOOK INSIDE AND I TOLD HER IT WASN'T OUR STUFF.
AND SHE DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT ANY MORE EVIDENCE OF THAT.
WHEN THE OWNER ACTUALLY GOT THERE, BECAUSE HE DID NOT WANT US TAKING THE TRAILER, HE TOLD THEM TO ARREST ME FOR CRIMINALLY TRESPASSING.
AND I NEVER WAS WARNED I HAD A LEASE TO BE AT THAT PROPERTY.
THE OFFICER BECAME THE ON SITE, BECAME THE JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER.
AND, UM, WE, UH, HE WANTED TO RECEIVE RECEIPTS FROM MY SON, BUT NOTHING FROM THAT MAN WHEN WE CLEARLY HAD A LEASE.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE A LEASE, THERE ARE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES.
THEY LEFT ME IN THAT CAR OVER TWO AND A HALF HOURS.
I HAVE A, A, A DISABILITY WITH MY BLOOD PRESSURE AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHERE I'VE HAD A MEN STROKE.
THEY LEFT ME IN THE BACK OF THAT CAR.
I HAD TO WIPE MY FACE ON THE SEAT BECAUSE I COULDN'T TURN AND MOVE BECAUSE THE HANDCUFFS WERE IMPINGED IN MY WRIST.
I KEPT TELLING THE GUY THAT THESE THINGS HURT.
HE CAME OVER AND LOOKED AND HE SAID THAT SHE DID NOT DOUBLE LOCK THEM IN THE PROCESS OF THEM NOT DOUBLE LOCKING THEM, I HAVE A PERMANENT WRIST INJURY THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TO SEE AN ORTHOPEDIC, UH, UH, UH, WRIST SURGEON FOR.
THEY LEFT ME IN THE CAR AND I TOLD 'EM I DID NOT WANNA LEAVE WITHOUT MY THINGS BECAUSE WE FOLLOWED ALL THE PROCEDURES.
THEY TOLD ME THAT WE WERE GETTING THEM, BUT THEN THEY PROCEEDED, UH, THEY PROCEEDED TO TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES, THE CAPTAIN THAT CA WELL THE SERGEANT THAT CAME OUT AND THE TWO OFFICERS THAT CAME UP, THEY WAS FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE CAR THAT THE GENTLEMAN CAME OVER TO THE SIDE OF THE CAR AND TOLD ME HE WAS GONNA KILL ME.
I'VE BEEN SCARED FOR MY LIFE AND SINCE HE DID THAT, AND I FEEL THAT THEY DID NOT EVEN PROTECT ME, EVEN THOUGH I PAID DALLAS TAXES.
SO YOUR, UM, YOUR TIME IS UP ON, UH, ON SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM.
I'VE BEEN INFORMED BY OUR STAFF THAT WE HAVE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES RUNNING THE AUDIO AND VIDEO, UM, IN SUPPORT OF, UM, TWO B, UH, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SPEAK ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ON RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ACTUALLY TABLE THIS ONE SO THAT WE TABLE THIS, THIS, UM, UH, THIS ITEM TO BE BROUGHT UP IN NEXT MONTH'S MEETING SO THAT OUR STAFF HERE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, REVIEW AND, AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE ALL THE VIDEO AND AUDIO ASSOCIATED WITH TWO B.
DOES THAT WORK WITH YOU? DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? YES.
WE'VE TRIED TO OURSELF OPEN RECORDS AND OBTAIN IT AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING THE, THE RUNAROUND DRAGGED DOWN PROCESS.
WE TRYING TO GET IT, WE TRIED TO ACTUALLY GET THAT FOR YOU GUYS EVEN AFTER, EVEN BEFORE THE I INVESTIGATION.
WE WERE TOLD AFTER TO THEY WERE DONE, WE WOULD GET A COPY OF EVERYTHING.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY BRING THAT FOR YOU,
BUT WE'VE BEEN GETTING
WELL, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY 30 DAYS FROM TODAY, UH, TO CONTINUE, UH, PUTTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN, SO WE CAN REALLY REVIEW IT.
'CAUSE WHAT WE WANNA DO IS WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS REVIEWED, UM, IS, IS, UM, IS ACCURATE, ACCURATE FOR YOU AND ALSO THAT IT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ALSO KNOWING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT BOTH SIDES ARE, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE DEAL.
MAKE SENSE? WELL, I, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, THANK YOU BOARD MEMBERS, IF I COULD GET A MOTION TO TABLE ITEM TWO B, UH, TO MR. CHAIR.
THIS IS
I MOVE THAT WE TABLE CASE TO BE TO THE SEPTEMBER BOARD MEETING DISTRICT 15.
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UH, YES.YOU'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA TAKE A VOTE NOW.
CAN I GET A, CAN I GET A VERBAL, A VERBAL VOTE? AYE AYE AYE AYE.
WE ARE TABLING ITEM TWO B TO THE SEPTEMBER, UH, C P O B MEETING.
WILL YOU GUYS GIVE US A NOTICE FOR THAT NEXT ONE? OBJECTION.
WHAT? MR. JEFFERSON? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? I'M SORRY.
WILL WE BE GETTING A NOTICE FOR WHEN THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE DONE? YES.
MS. MS. MCCLARY OFFICE WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THAT, ON THAT PART.
IF YOU WANNA PUT, THANK YOU SO MUCH BOARD, IF YOU WANNA PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR, WE'LL STILL SEND YOU SOMETHING.
IT'S SEPTEMBER 12TH AT FIVE 30.
WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU ON SEPTEMBER 12TH.
SO JUST SO THE BOARD KNOWS, UM, YOU HAVE ALL THE PAPERWORK, THERE WERE LIKE EIGHT OR NINE OFFICERS OUT THERE AND TRYING TO GET ALL OF THAT DOWNLOADED.
WE JUST WERE HAVING A LOT OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.
SO WE WILL START WORKING NOW SO THAT YOU GUYS CAN HAVE IT IN TIME, BUT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE.
OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO C, THE O C P O POLICY REVIEW OF D P D, PROTEST AND USE OF FORCE AND RECOMMENDATIONS PART TWO.
MR. WILLIAMS, CAN YOU SEE IF THERE, IF CAPTAIN BURNS IS ON THE LINE AND IF SO, CAN HE BE MOVED OVER? YES MA'AM.
SEE IF ON THIS AGENDA, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
HERE, UH, JUST TECHNICALITY,
SEE, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT, MCCLARY AS OF RIGHT NOW, CAPTAIN BURNS IS NOT, YOU DON'T SEE CAPTAIN BURNS ONCE AGAIN.
MS. MCCLARY, CAPTAIN BURNS IS NINE ON ONE.
I, MR. CAPTAIN BARN SAYS MS ON, YOU CAN SEE YOU JUST HAVE TO BURN.
SO CAN SEE WHERE YOU, ARE YOU UNDER YOUR NAME MR. WILLIAMS? HE'S SAYING HIS CAMERA IS ON.
I'M ASSUMING HE'S FOLLOWING THE ATTENDEE.
SO WE CAN MOVE HIM OVER MCCLARY.
DO YOU SEE A KJ? HE SAID HE'S, HE'S UNDER THE ATTENDEE'S THE ONLY ONE UNDER ATTENDEE AND IT KJ THERE IJ CAMERA'S ON.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAPTAIN BURNS IS PRESENT.
WE CAN'T SEE YOU, BUT WE CAN HEAR YOU SIR.
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UM, WHILE CAPTAIN'S TRYING TO GET HIS CAMERA ON, UH, CAPTAIN KEVIN BURNS, YOU ALL REMEMBER HE, UH, DID THIS PRESENTATION WITH ME IN MAY WHERE WE BROUGHT YOU PART, UM, A OF THE POLICY REVIEW DURING THAT TIME WE HAD LOOKED AT, UM, WE LOOKED AT THE GENERAL ORDERS AROUND USE OF FORCE AND OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.AND SO WE TOLD YOU THAT WE WOULD BRING YOU BACK PART TWO, WHICH IS THEIR POLICIES ON, UM, ON, ON UM, RESPONSES AND CONTINUUMS AND THE USE OF FORCE.
AND SO, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAPTAIN BURNS AND I WERE HAPPY TO SAY IS THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS POLICY THAT A LOT OF WHAT DALLAS HAS IN THIS RESPONSE TO CONTINUUM, WHICH HAS TO DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, OC SPRAY PEPPER BALLS, UM, A LOT OF THE, UM, IMPACT WEAPONS, ET CETERA, ACTUALLY ARE IN LINE WITH 21ST CENTURY POLICING.
UM, AND SO WE WERE VERY HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO I'M JUST GONNA KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH AND THEN I'M GONNA ASK CAPTAIN TO KIND OF CHIME IN, UM, WHEN HE WANTS TO ADD SOME COMMENTS AS WELL.
SO WE SENT YOU GUYS, WE LOOKED AT SECTION THE NINE HUNDREDS, WHICH IS A RESPONSE TO CONTINUING SECTION UNDER THE DALLAS, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT'S GENERAL ORDERS.
AND SO WE KIND OF JUST WENT LITERALLY IN ORDER AND IF WE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY, WE KIND OF BROUGHT THAT TO YOU GUYS.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE PICKED OUT WAS SECTION 9 0 1 0.02.
AND SO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WAS WHO WAS CONSIDERED A NON-SWORN PERSONNEL.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE RES WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO THAT IS, IS BECAUSE IT REQUIRES THOSE PEOPLE TO INTERVENE INDIAN CASE THAT THEY THINK THAT THE FORCE IS NOT APPROPRIATE.
SO I'M SURE THAT SOMEWHERE IN THESE GENERAL ORDERS, D P D PROBABLY DOES DEFINE WHO A NON-SWORN PERSON IS.
BUT WHAT WE FIND HELPFUL IS THAT IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO EITHER SAY, REFER TO SECTION SUCH AND SUCH OF THE GENERAL ORDERS TO GET THAT DEFINITION.
OR A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS JUST REPEAT IT RIGHT AND WHEREVER IT SHOWS UP.
SO WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO, TO SAY WHO ARE THESE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL? EITHER LIKE REFER BACK TO THE SECTION WHERE IT'S FIRST DESCRIBED OR JUST REPEAT IT HERE.
BUT ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE CAPTAIN AND I HAD, AND CAPTAIN, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND LET YOU UM, TAKE IT OVER IN TERMS OF THE QUESTIONS AROUND NON-SWORN PERSONNEL BEING INCLUDED.
'CAUSE IT SAYS SWORN AND NON-SWORN BASICALLY HAVE A DUTY TO INTERVENE WHEN THEY FEEL THAT THE FORCE IS INAPPROPRIATE.
SO CAPTAIN, IF YOU CAN ELABORATE ON THAT.
YEAH, SO GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.
UM, SO THE, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD WAS FORCE COULD APPEAR TO BE EXCESSIVE TO A CIVILIAN VERSUS A TRAINED OFFICER.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF THE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL HAD THE SAME TRAINING AS A SWORN OFFICER OR COMMISSIONED OFFICER TO BE IN A POSITION TO IDENTIFY WHAT FORCE IS REASONABLE AND WHAT FORCE IS NOT REASONABLE.
AND SO THAT IS OUR MAIN CONCERN.
SO FOR THIS, THIS WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR US TO D P D, LIKE WHAT IS THE TRAINING? BECAUSE I AGREE WITH CAPTAIN, LIKE WHAT I MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, AS A CIVILIAN AND THINK IT'S EXCESSIVE MAY NOT BE THE SAME VIEWPOINT FROM AN OFFICER THAT HAS HAD A LOT OF TRAINING IN THAT FIELD.
SO IF WE'RE ASKING BOTH THE SWORN AND A NON-SWORN TO INTERVENE, UH, WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THE FORCE IS EXCESSIVE, WHAT IS THE TRAINING THAT THE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL ARE RECEIVING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT? SO THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR US TO D P D TO JUST TO SAY, CAN YOU LET US KNOW A, WHO THESE NON-SWORN PEOPLE ARE AND THEN WHAT IS THE TRAINING THAT THEY RECEIVE? UM, AND ALSO WHAT LEVEL OF IN INTERVENTION IS REQUIRED.
SO IF A CIVILIAN, IF YOU'RE A CIVILIAN MEMBER OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, EXACTLY WHAT LEVEL ARE WE ASKING YOU TO INTERVENE? RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE ANY WEAPONS, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT LEVEL ARE WE ASKING THE NON-SWORN PEOPLE TO INTERVENE IF THEY THINK FORCE IS EXCESSIVE? SO THESE WOULD BE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULD SEND OVER TO D P D TO HELP US CLARIFY.
THE NEXT SECTION WE LOOKED AT WAS 9 0 2 0 1, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH OC SPRAY.
AND SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT, UH, WE, THEY DON'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT IN THIS SECTION THAT OC SPRAY IS PERMITTED DURING A DEMONSTRATION OR NOT.
IT DOES NOT SAY THAT OC SPRAY CAN OR CANNOT BE USED DURING A DEMONSTRATION.
AND SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THEM DEFINE THAT, SAY THAT OFFICERS CAN OR CAN'T DO IT, USE THESE THINGS DURING A DEMONSTRATION OR SOME KIND OF MASS PROTEST, ET CETERA.
IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION F, WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT SECTION F BECAUSE ABOUT
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THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.SO THIS PARTICULAR, SO IF AN OFFICER USES OC SPRAY, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THEM TO DO A FORCE REPORT, BUT IT'S IN THE SECTION AROUND FORCE.
SO OUR QUESTION IS, UM, IF YOU GO AND WE WILL GET TO THAT SECTION, IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END TO 9 0 9 0.02, IT LISTS ALL THE, THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO FILL OUT A BLUE TEAM FOR, AND THAT'S FOR THEIR FORCE REPORT.
BUT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT OC SPRAY IS ONE OF THEM.
SO ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS WAS, DOES D P D CONSIDER THE DEPLOYMENT OF OC SPRAY TO BE A USE OF FORCE? AND IF SO, WHY DO OFFICERS NOT HAVE TO DO A USE OF FORCE, UH, REPORT LIKE THEY DO FOR SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY LIST LATER IN THIS SECTION? AND SO THESE, SO SOME OF THE, A LOT OF THESE ARE JUST KIND OF QUESTIONS FOR US, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
UM, AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS AROUND THE OC SPRAY AND CAPTAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING.
UM, I KNOW IT'S STATED FURTHER DOWN IN THE POLICY, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO LIST IT HERE.
UM, I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER LEVELS OF FORCE REQUIRES A BLUE TEAM, UH, WHICH IS A USE OF FORCE REPORT.
IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DESCRIBE IF IT'S REQUIRED FOR OC SPRAY OR NOT.
SO THE NEXT SECTION WAS 9 0 2 0.02 AND THIS HAVING TO DO WITH PEPPER BALLS.
AND SO, UM, IT'S THE SAME THING AS OC SPRAY.
SO DOES D P D CONSIDER DEPLOYMENT OF A PEPPER BALL AS A USE OF FORCE? AND IF SO, UM, WHY IS THERE NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE OFFICER TO HAVE TO DO A BLUE TEAM REPORT? SO THIS IS THE SAME THING AS OC SPRAY.
SO THIS IS IN THE SECTION AROUND FORCE AND THE RESPONSE CONTINUUM, BUT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE, AT LEAST FROM THE READING OF THIS, THAT THE OFFICER HAS TO DO A BLUE TEAM, WHICH WOULD BE DOCUMENTING THE FORCE.
SO THAT'S A QUESTION FOR US IN TERMS OF IF WE CAN JUST GET SOME CLARITY ON THAT.
UM, SECTION 9 0 3 0.02, WHICH IS THE LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINT.
UM, CAPTAIN, I KNOW YOU WERE EXCITED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS, WE SAID THIS POLICY WAS REALLY AHEAD OF OTHER AGENCIES, SO WE WERE HAPPY ABOUT THAT.
AND SO, UH, CAPTAIN, DO YOU WANNA SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE, UM, LATERAL VASCULAR NECK RESTRAINT? YES, I KNOW, UM, JUST BEING UNDER THE CONSENT DECREE HERE IN NEW ORLEANS, IT WAS, UH, A, A MAJOR CHANGE IN OUR POLICY THAT PROHIBITED ANY TYPES OF NECK HOLES OR, UH, BLOOD CHOKES OR WIND CHOKES OR ANY, ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE NECK.
AND I BELIEVE WHEN I READ YOU GUYS THIS POLICY, UH, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU PROHIBITED WADE SINCE 2004, SO YOU WERE ALMOST 20 YEARS AHEAD OF THE GAME ON THAT ONE.
SO THAT WAS JUST A, A, A COMMENT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD, REALLY GOOD POLICY WRITING.
YEAH, SO WE ALSO WANNA GIVE, OBVIOUSLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KUDOS WHEN THEY'RE DOING GOOD THINGS.
SO THIS WAS, UM, WE FELT LIKE THIS WAS REALLY AHEAD.
A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE STILL JUST COMING AROUND TO THIS QUESTION AROUND NECK HOLES AND CHOKE HOLES, ET CETERA.
AND WE'VE HAD IT AS A, AS A POLICY FOR A LONG TIME TO NOT ALLOW THAT.
UM, 9 0 6 0.02, THE USE OF DEADLY FORCE POLICY.
UM, THIS WAS ALSO A GOOD POLICY AND, UH, CAPTAIN FELT THAT A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE AFRAID TO TALK ABOUT THIS.
AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFICALLY G WHICH TALKS ABOUT DISCHARGING FIREARMS AT MOVING VEHICLES.