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JUST GOTTA HOPE TO BE LIKE IN THE BOTTOM SEVEN.
I THINK YOU, YOU READY TO GO? WHAT'S EVERYBODY WE COME MS. LAUREL, THAT'S THE CASE.
IS THIS A MONTHLY PRESS? PARDON? YOU GOTTA SPLIT THE $20.
SEE ON THE SCREEN? YEAH, HE'S GONNA BE HERE.
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SO I GET STARVING.WE MAY HAVE A FEW PEOPLE COMING IN.
[2024 Bond Task Force Flood on August 15, 2023. ]
IF YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING SEQUENCE, WE HAD A COUPLE MEETING DESIGNATED WHERE WE WOULD TAKE SOME SPEAKER.ANYBODY WANTED TO COME AND SEE US AND SOMEBODY, DID WE HAVE
BUT IF WE HAVE A LUNCH, WE GET TWO.
UH, HIS NAME IS JD, TRUE BLOOD SISTER.
AND HE'S WANTED TO SPEAK TO US ON BEHALF OF THE MENT.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO THIS IS CORNELL'S CONSTITUENT ONE IN HIS DISTRICT.
UM, ONE, MAYBE ONE OF THE FIRST PROJECTS ON IT.
SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UM, I LEARNED ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT FROM STEVENS.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME.
I'LL TRY TO BE AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
SO, TURTLE CREEK ASSOCIATION IS A NONPROFIT.
WE PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, PARKS AND RECS, MAINLY TO TAKE CARE OF THE TURTLE CREEK CORRIDOR.
IT'S 90 ACRES OF, OF A NATURAL RESOURCE.
WE'VE GOT A BEAUTIFUL
UH, WE MAINTAIN THE MEDIANS AND IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WE HAVE REALLY CHANGED OUR FOCUS TO THE HEALTH OF THE CREEK.
WE HAVE NOTICED AS RESIDENTS, THE CREEK IS WITH VEINS.
WE'RE GETTING SEVERE FLOODING.
UH, THE FLOODING GOES ALL THE WAY OVER ALL FIVE BRIDGES.
WE'VE GOT FIVE HISTORIC BRIDGES THAT STARTED
WE GO ALL THE WAY TO
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK, UH, THIS, UM, LITTLE HANDOUT THAT I GAVE TO YOU, THIS IS NOW OCCURRING ON A REGULAR BASIS.
UH, THE FLOODING IS UNBELIEVABLE.
IT'S EVEN CAUSING HUMAN CASUALTIES.
AND WE HAVE SEVERE BANK EROSION THAT'S OCCURRING AS WELL.
WE HIRED AN ENGINEERING FIRM PAID FOR BY TOTAL CREEK ASSOCIATION FUNDING FROM THE LEIDA HILL PHILANTHROPIC.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH HILLWOOD, UH, ENGINEER TO HELP US WITH THE TRASH ISSUE AS WELL.
I'M SURE MOST OF YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE'S BOLTS UNDER COAL PARK AND THAT IS A, A CONTAINER THAT HOLDS THE WATER THAT FLOODS FROM, UM, THE STORM DRAINS FROM CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
WHEN THEY LOWERED THAT, THE, THE, THE TWO STORIES.
UM, AND THERE'S JUST A HUGE OUTFALL.
I IT'S PROBABLY YOU CAN STAND UP AND WHEN IT RAINS THAT WATER COMES OUT OF THAT OUTFALL SO HARD BECAUSE IT'S COMING ALL THE WAY FROM WALNUT HILL.
EVERYTHING COMES DOWN AND IT DUMPS WHY WE DON'T.
AND IF YOU HAVE THIS, YOU CAN SEE THE TRASH ON A REGULAR BASIS.
WE'RE HOPING TO GET SOME ATTENTION.
THE CREEK HASN'T BEEN DRESSED FOR 25 YEARS, ACCORDING TO OUR ENGINEER, THE SILK AND THE SEDIMENT IS IN SOME AREAS BETWEEN FOUR AND FIVE FEET.
SO IF I COULD USE THIS FOR A SECOND.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT A GLASS, AND IF THAT GLASS IS ALMOST HALF FULL, THE WATER THAT IS, WE'RE USING THIS CONTRIBUTORY FOR TO DRAIN TO THE TRINITY, RIGHT?
AND SO WE'RE IN DESPERATE OF TRYING TO GET ON SOMEONE'S A RADAR THAT
IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE INITIAL START.
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GET THIS STRETCHED.AND THEN WE NEED TO ADDRESS BANK STABILIZATION.
WE AS A, UH, NON-PROFIT ALL TO WILLING TO WORK ON CAPITAL CAMPAIGNS, MAYBE MATCH CITY FUNDS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.
BUT WE BELIEVE DESPERATELY THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO OCCUR.
UH, IT'S ONLY GETTING WORSE AND IT IS ONE OF THE CITY'S ONLY NATURAL RESOURCES IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN DOWN THERE.
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PART OF THE CITY.
WE GONNA, MATT, MATT'S GONNA, MATT HAS A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT WHERE SOME OF THAT IS FROM THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO, UH, JAMIE, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT BEFORE OR BEFORE WE STARTED.
SO I THINK SARAH IS ANDA WE'RE GONNA KIND OF RE KEEP VISITING WITH YOU AFTERWARDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THE, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY CONDUCTED A DR.
COMPREHENSIVE DRED MANAGEMENT LAND, UH, 2013 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND PART, AS PART OF THAT, THERE WERE A LOT OF PART PONDS DAMMED UP AREAS LIKE TURTLE CREEK.
THAT IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WHERE DOES THE RESPONSIBILITY LAY? BECAUSE LIKE AS YOU SAID, YOU EVEN FELT LIKE YOU'VE BEEN TOLD ONE THING FROM ONE ANOTHER.
SO, UH, I VERIFIED THAT THE TURTLE CREEK PONDS WERE LAST STRETCH BY PARKS DEPARTMENT AND INFORMATION WHERE WE PROCEED DATE, THEY ARE ON THEIR NEEDS INVENTORY.
WELL I CERTAINLY MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL LOOKING FAR AS, YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHERE I STARTED BECAUSE, UH, RUBEN WAS MY CONTACT, HE'S NOW RETIRED, BUT HE HAD TOLD ME THAT THE PARKS HAD DONE THE DREDGING AND I WAS TOLD THAT IT WAS, SINCE IT RUNS THROUGH A PARK, IT WAS A PARK SITUATION.
SO I DID START THERE, BUT THEN PARKS NOW HAS POINTED ME TO YOU GUYS.
YOU SAW PARKS TO GO, RIGHT?
BUT WE DO, WE DO HAVE OUR TIME.
WE DO HAVE TURTLE CREEK AND BLACKBURN, WHICH IS IN OUR INITIAL PRE-SELECTION BA THE CUT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDS ON WHERE WE GET FUNDING.
THAT'S ONE THAT'LL INCREASE THE CAPACITY.
SO ADDRESSING THE FLOODING MENTIONED THAT, UH, RAISE THE ROADWAY THERE AT BLACKBURN.
I THINK THE, YOU REMIND ME OF, UH, STONEBRIDGE.
TURTLE CREEK STONEBRIDGE IS THE ONE THAT'S ON THESE INVENTORY.
IT'S ACTUALLY MY PRESENTATION.
I THINK IT'S IN OUR CAPITAL PLAN FOR FR 27 28.
SO JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW, NOT SARAH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT HIJACK THE REST OF OUR MEETING, BUT SARAH CAN KIND OF GIVE YOU THE LOOK DOWN ON, ON THE WHOLE EROSION DREDGING.
SO, UM, THAT, THAT BRIDGE HAS ALSO BEEN IDENTIFIED ON OUR STUDY AS CRITICAL.
UM, THE ENGINEERS LOOKED AT IT AND WERE VERY CONCERNED, UH, ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BRIDGE.
I THING WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU TO DO, 'CAUSE YOU'RE JUST LEVELING, IS GO TO THE MEETING.
NO, WELL YOU CAN GO THAT ONE YOU WANT, BUT THE TASK FORCE MEETING, THE MAIN TASK FORCE HAS 50 SPEAKERS TONIGHT.
SO YOU MAY NOT WANT SIT THROUGH THAT, BUT THE NEXT WEEK THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER, YOU AND I.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN DO THEY OPEN THAT LIST UP? 'CAUSE I GUYS IT'S ONLINE COULD SIGN UP.
I KNOW AT CITY HALL THEY OPEN IT AT A SPEAKING ALL ABOUT THAT, PLEASE SIGN UP TO SPEAK THERE.
AND THAT'S A 22ND PARS DOESN'T TRY TO RAILROAD OUR LITTLE TINY TEENY BUDGET, BUT THEY HAVE THREE TIMES THE MONEY.
EVERY TIME WE BRING OUT DREDGING, WE GET STRONG BACK.
PARDON? WE TALK ABOUT DREDGING, SHORELINE ENHANCEMENT THAT GETS THROWN BACK TO PARKS AND THAT'S THE FINAL DECISION.
THAT'S, I PART THINK IS SOMETHING I'M INVOLVED WITH.
SO KNOW IT DOESN'T, IT KIND OF MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THAT A LOT OF THEM DOWN THERE, BUT WE'VE BEEN TOLD NO AND NO UNCERTAIN TERMS. DO YOU HAVE A COST SYSTEM ON THAT? YES.
IT COST FOR THE DREDGING AGAINST ABOUT 700,000.
UH, FOR THE THREE PONDS THERE.
THREE PONDS,
AND THAT WOULD BE PART, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY BE IN THE PART BUDGET, ANNUAL BUDGET.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU NEED TO GO BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHITE ROCK WAS DREDGED 25 YEARS AGO.
YEAH, I THINK IT'S, YOU SAID BEFORE WE GO
SO I THINK PEOPLE CAN SPEAK FOR YOU.
I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE, BUT CERTAINLY IF THEY WANT TO COME DOWN HERE, THE MAIN TASK FORCE
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FOLLOWS A TWO MINUTE PER SPEAKER ROLE, WHICH IS KIND OF, WE'RE LEANING ON.WE ONLY HAD ONE, BUT IF THEY HAVE A LOT TONIGHT, SO THEY'RE DOING TWO MINUTES PER, ANYBODY FROM YOUR DISTRICTS THAT MAY WANNA SPEAK ON FLOODING? APPARENTLY THEY'RE HEARING A LOT OF SPEAKERS.
I THINK OF THE 50 LIKE FORTIES SEEM LIKE THEY WERE BARKED.
WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER ON FLOODS, UM, SO I DON'T EXPECT A LOT, BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SPEAK THEY ARE, THEY'RE ENTERTAINING THE SPEAKERS THIS WEEK AND THEN NEXT WEEK FOR SURE.
AND THEN I THINK THE 29TH, WHICH WILL BE THE WEEK AFTER THAT IS WHEN WE ARE PRESENTING.
SO I THINK THE SPEAKERS WILL BE DONE BY THEN.
YEAH, WHEN YOU GO ON, UH, IF YOU GO TO THE, THE BOND OFFICE WEBSITE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE THERE, YOU COULD SEE THAT IT ALLOWS A DROPDOWN I THINK FOR NEXT WEEK.
AND THEN THERE WERE SOME OTHER OPTIONS TOO FOR HIS FUTURE.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SIGN THEY'RE VOTE.
OKAY, SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF BOARD MEETING? SO ANYBODY HAS CHANGES? THANK THE STAFF.
DO WE HAVE THREE MINUTES? I DO NOT BECAUSE OF YOU.
I CHECKED OUT THE MINUTES FROM OTHER MEETINGS.
YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT EVERY TIME.
YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT EVERY TIME TOO.
ANYONE WHO OPPOSED? OTHERWISE I'LL ASSUME.
ALL RIGHT, SO TONIGHT, UH, ON OUR AGENDA IS TO HAVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT, WE ARE ON VERSION TWO.
I THINK WE ARE A TOUCH AHEAD OF OUR OTHER FOLKS, SOME OF OUR OTHER FOLKS, BUT WE'RE ALREADY ON VERSION TWO.
THERE WAS AN ADJUSTMENT BETWEEN LAST TIME WE MET THAT MIGHT AFFECT US, BUT THEY MEET THE ENTIRE NEEDS.
INVENTORY WAS RE SCORED BASED ON CHANGES TO THE EQUITY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT
MIGHT REFERRED TO YOUR DISTRICT.
SO WE NEED EACH SHOULD HAVE PRINTOUT FOR YOUR DISTRICT THAT SHOWS AT A $200 MILLION SCENARIO.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN WHAT'S IN THE PROJECT.
I'M NOT SURE IF IT BUMPED ANYTHING AROUND THE IT DID, IT DID.
UH, ON THE ROAD PROJECTS THERE WERE SIX PROJECTS THAT GOT PUSHED OUT AND SIX THAT GOT PUSHED IN THAT PREVIOUSLY WEREN'T.
SO I THINK WHAT YOU ABOUT YES.
EDITORIALIZE, WHAT HAPPENED? OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY HERE, COPY IT SHOULD BE IN THE, YEAH, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY PRESENT BASED FILE.
ALL THE PICTURE WITH AIR, ACTUALLY EXHIBIT SITES.
YEAH, SO I FOUND OUT I ACTUALLY, YEAH, SO DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
I THINK THAT BEING KIND OF
SO THAT BASICALLY INCREASE THE, SOME OF THE EQUITY SCORES DIDN'T DECREASE THE
SO, UM, SO PROJECT MAY TWO FOR
SO IT DID CHANGE A LITTLE BIT OF RESULTS FOR US.
UM, WE'RE ALSO GONNA TALK ABOUT TWO ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
I KNOW YOU'VE ALL HEARD TWO, 200 MILLION.
PRETTY DOWN, PRETTY UNLIKELY THIS POINT FOR US.
UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'RE ASKING OF A HIGH, MEDIUM OR LOW SCENARIO.
UM, SO WE DON'T WANNA CUT OURSELVES SHORT EITHER.
SO IT'S LIKE FIVE BEING 200 OR MEDIUM BEING ONE 50.
AND OUR LOW BEING A HUNDRED, UM, AS YOU COULD PROBABLY REALIZE THERE'S A LOT OF POLITICS AT PLAY BEHIND THE SCENES.
UH, WE MAY EVEN THROW OUT A SMALLER SCENARIO.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT IS THE SMALLER WE GO, THE MORE DIFFICULT IT GETS TO HOLD TO OUR CRITERIA.
AND IT'S ALMOST AT THAT ONE JUST GONNA BE LIKE, HEY, SPOKE A COUPLE PROJECTS TO MOVE ON THESE COUNCIL DISTRICT AND WE GET DOWN TO SOMETHING LIKE A 50 OR SEVEN FIVE, THAT'S A PROBLEM WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE GO.
SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST PREPARING YOU FOR THAT FACT.
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SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THESE DAYS, FORTUNATELY IT DOESN'T GET YOU MUCHUM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO EXPERIENCE TO GET SOME, SOME, UH, FEEDBACK.
I HAVE THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO ASK THAT WE DEVELOP.
I KIND OF TELL YOU WHAT THE ONE 50 AND 100 DOES SCENARIOS, BUT I'M GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC ONE.
IT IS A LOT OF WORK AROUND HIS STAFF.
SO I REALLY WANNA GET SOME FEEDBACK TONIGHT BEFORE WE PRESENT THOSE NEXT TIME.
SO, UH, I THINK, UH, THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING NEXT TUESDAY, BUT I'LL ALWAYS TIMES WE'LL BE WORKING
UH, WE DO EXPECT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TOWN HALL MEETINGS AFTER THAT WE LIKELY RECONVENE FROM FEEDBACK FROM THE TOWN HALL MEETINGS, UH, AND PROBABLY HAVE A CHANCE TO UPDATE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, A LOT OF THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED AT THIS POINT ON HOW THAT WILL PLAY OUT AND JUST EXPECT PROBABLY SOME MORE ENGAGEMENT AROUND OCTOBER TIMEFRAME, UH, MORE THAN LIKELY.
UM, AND I'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION ON THE SCHEDULE FOR THE WHOLE THING HERE IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO HOPEFULLY I HAVEN'T CUT INTO TWO MINUTES ALREADY MADE FAR AHEAD.
BUT, UH, I WANTED TO FIRST RECAP SOME OF THE REQUESTS AND LOCATION QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED OVER THE LAST PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR WEEKS NOW.
UM, I WAS OUT FOR TWO WEEKS, SO IF I MISS SOMETHING, SPEAK UP AND LET ME KNOW.
I WENT THROUGH ALL THE EMAIL THINGS AND I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING.
SO I WANTED TO KIND OF LAY THOSE OUT, GIVE YOU A MISPOSITION ON THOSE THINGS OF TONIGHT.
UH, WANTED TO GO THROUGH OUR VERSION TWO, UH, THE $200 MILLION SCENARIO, UH, AND TELL YOU SOME THINGS THAT MAY BE CHANGED.
TALK ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL SCENARIO AND WHAT THAT GETS US.
AND GIVE YOU KIND OF TWO, TWO THINGS TO THINK ABOUT, UH, TWO DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES ON HOW TO SET THOSE UP.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT OUR NEXT STEPS AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LET
UH, SO THIS IS KIND OF A SUMMARY.
I KNOW MR. BRANDON'S NOT HERE, BUT THE FIRST TWO ARE IN DISTRICT FIVE, UH, MILITARY PARKWAY AT URBANDALE.
THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY MR. BRANDON.
IT HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
UM, IT HAD A TOTAL SCORE OF 56.
SO CURRENTLY IT'S NOT MAKING OUR CUT.
UM, HE ALSO, UH, BROUGHT SOME, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, DRAINAGE DITCHES ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.
SO PUBLIC WORKS SAYS, GONE OUT AND DONE SOME MAINTENANCE.
SOME OF THOSE I SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH, WITH, UH, MR. BRANDON.
BUT IF YOU COME ACROSS ANYTHING THAT'S, UH, UNAPPROVED STREET, UH, WITH FAR DITCHES AS WE CALL 'EM, HAVE FILLED IN SEVEN, LET US GO.
AND IT CAN GET YOU SOME PUBLIC WORKS.
SO YOU GO OUT AND THEY'LL
UH, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN MR. TRUE BLOOD.
SO THAT IS ALREADY ON OUR 27 28 CAPITAL PLAN.
WE HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT STORE EROSION THAT'S IN THE PARK SEATS INVENTORY.
UH, TRAMBLE DRIVE'S ANOTHER ONE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.
IT'S IN THE PUBLIC WORKS NEEDS INVENTORY.
I KNOW THEY HAVE DONE A FEASIBILITY STUDY ON THAT.
UM, SO, AND JUST, JUST TO SAY ANY, ANYTHING WHERE IT'S DRAIN SITUATION WHERE IT'S LACK OF CURB OR GUT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S IN WITH THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO IMPROVE STREET THAT'S NEEDED.
WHEN THEY GOING IMPROVE THE STREETS, WE ADD THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.
SO THAT'D BE PART OF THE PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT.
A STREET PROJECT WAS DRAINING, UH, ING AND DRAINING.
UH, HE'S OUT IN PARKWAY, FIVE MILES.
UM, I THINK MS. GREER, WHO WAS ON, UH, THE STREETS, UH, SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, BRONX
THINK THAT'S DISTRICT, UH, I BELIEVE.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDED.
WE ADDED KEY VALLEY PARKWAY EROSION, UM, TO THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S IN THE, UH, $200 MILLION SCENARIO.
THERE WAS SOME EROSION THAT WAS JUST ADDED TO THE, UH, INVENTORY.
UM, IT'LL BE CONSIDERED IN OUR FILE RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK IT'S STILL BEING COMPLETED.
UH, KEITH VALLEY DRAINAGE, ANOTHER UH, AREA WHERE THERE WAS A
SO THESE ARE, THESE THINGS ARE BEING ADDED TO INVENTORY.
AND CURRENTLY
UM, NO, NO, I'M SORRY, THAT WAS A
SO IT'S, WELL CURRENTLY MEET INVENTORY FOR HIGH ENOUGH.
WE RECEIVED SOME VIDEOS, FUNDING VIDEOS AND OTHER
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INFORMATION THAT, UH, LAUREL SHARED WITH US.SO THAT'S GONNA BE REEVALUATED CONSIDERED BASED ON THE SCORE.
I THINK YOU BROUGHT THIS ONE UP.
UM, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ANOTHER PROJECT, THE ROAD PATROL PROJECT.
YOU REMEMBER I TOLD YOU THE VERY BEGINNING THAT WE NEED EASEMENT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS, PROPERTY OWNERS WISH NOT TO PROCEED THAT OBJECT.
THE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED TO REALLOCATE THOSE FUNDS TO, TO
SO IN THE BEING ADDRESSED, THE 2017 BOND FROM UH, 71 0 7 MILBRIDGE, UH, WE'RE DOING A SIMULATION ON THAT TO
I KNOW THIS IS PROBABLY NOT VERY, VERY UH, DRILLING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GO TO 73 40 STEELMAN.
THAT'S ANOTHER ONE WITH THE DISTRICT 10, UH, SOONG, HUNTINGTON LAKES AND PREVIOUSLY DONE
UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED SERVICE REQUESTS BASICALLY THIS YEAR.
UM, AND SINCE THOSE AREAS WERE SO FAR FROM THE CREEK BANK THING, QUALIFIED, MEET THE INVENTORY.
UM, AND THEN JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN HAVE A PROJECT AND YOU ALREADY BOTH FOR DECK BRANCH CHANNEL IMPROVEMENTS FROM HUNTINGTON DUMP TO CHURCH
PARK, UH,
STREETS WORKS AND
UH, BUT THE STRUCTURE IS PRETTY FAR FROM THE BANK.
SO IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY MORE HIGH UP BUT UH, POTENTIALLY, YEAH THAT CAME THROUGH COUNCIL'S OFFICE.
I KNOW HE HAS UH, EROSION HIS DISTRICT THAT'S SCORE HIGHER FOR
UM, WE JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU TODAY.
SO, UH, TRINITY RIVER CHANNEL AMERICA BROUGHT THAT UP THAT IT SHOULD BE CITYWIDE CLASSIFY AS CITYWIDE WE AGREEMENT BECAUSE THE IMPACT
UM, GATE BRIDGE AND BROOK, UH, IN THE FY 6.7 CAPITAL.
A LOT OF UH, FUNNY UN RECALL FROM THAT ONE.
UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT ALSO BE A 13 IF I'M NOT APPROACH.
WHAT'S THAT? UH, 7,900 NORTH HAVEN DRAIN LEAVE.
UH, I THINK THAT IS THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER.
UM, IT HAD A FOUR OR 54 TOO LOW FOR THE SCENARIO, BUT IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CAPITAL CLAIM.
UM, ONE I NOTICED THAT WASN'T IN HERE, THAT I'VE CHECKED MY NOTES AND THOUGHTS TODAY WITH REINHARDT.
I THINK THERE WAS A
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT SKIP THAT NEEDS THE CRITERIA AND THEN WE'RE STILL WAITING FROM BOND OFFICE TO GET THEIR FINAL LIST OF ANYTHING PEOPLE MAY TODAY, UH, ONLINE.
SO, UM, ELSE JUST WANTED TO RECAP THAT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE NOTICED ON HERE THAT YOU MAY HAVE TOLD US ABOUT OR YOU KNOW, THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED, UH, RUNNING SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO CONSIDER ANYTHING ELSE? I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT QUICKLY ABOUT THE NEED INVENTORY.
WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT FROM DAY ONE.
SO YOU ALL KNOW HOW FOUNDATIONAL THIS DOCUMENT IS.
WE CAN'T, AS A PRINCIPLE, I THINK WORK ON PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT ON THIS NEEDS INVENTORY.
I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF THE NEEDS INVENTORY IF I CAN AVOID IT.
BUT IF WE CAN GET STUFF ON IT, THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED WAY TO GO.
UM, SO IT'S JUST BECOME VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT STUFF THAT THE NEEDS INVENTORY AS YOU FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE.
SO ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO COME IN, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE FOR IT TO BE IN BY NOW.
BUT EVEN IF YOU FEEL, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU'VE GOT ONE MORE THING YOU JUST FORGOT ABOUT OR DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, GO AHEAD AND SEND IT IN BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW WHEN THIS PROCESS IS GONNA END.
WE'RE GONNA GO A LITTLE FARTHER INTO THE FALL AND MIGHT ORIGINALLY THOUGHT NOT WITH WEEKLY MEETINGS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT, SO JUST GO AHEAD AND GET IT IN.
BUT KNOW THAT THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE WORK FROM.
AND IF IT WAS RESCORE, ARE YOU GONNA DISCUSS THE RESCORING OR DO WE NEED TO, OKAY, GO AHEAD.
I THINK IT VERSION ONE A OR R ON YOUR PRINT OUT.
UM, THERE, I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH.
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REAL QUICK.I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WOULD RECAP ON ATIONS, BUT WE, WE STARTED OUT WITH 20 80% SPLIT EROSION CONTROL AND 28 GRADING.
WE BASE OUR SELECTION ON UH, PROJECT SCORE FROM NOT DOING THE TECHNICAL SCORE THAT STAFF SIGNED TO THE PROJECT PLUS THE OVERLAY SCORES FOR UH, AND EQUITY SCORES.
UM, WE DECIDED TO NOT INCLUDE PROJECTS THAT WERE ALREADY CONTINUED CAPITAL FUND UNLESS THEY WERE MADE DURING OUR CAPTIVE PLAN AND WE COULD ADDRESS THEM SOONER THROUGH THE BOND PROGRAM.
BUT WE WOULD CONSIDER THOSE, WE HAD TO HAVE SOME SORT OF DOLLAR THRESHOLD.
SO WE, WE LIVED THEIR PROJECTS OVER 12 MILLION WOULD HAVE TO BENEFIT MULTIPLE DISTRICTS.
UM, FOR THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS AND ANYTHING WE PUT A CAP ON ANY PROJECT AND $35 MILLION THAT WAY.
JUST WANTED TO RECAP THAT REAL QUICK.
SO SINCE WE STARTED, THERE'S BEEN ADDITIONAL PROJECT IN NEEDS INVENTORY.
I THINK WE STRESSED AT THE BEGINNING.
IT UH, IT'S UPDATED ON ANY BASIS.
UM, BASIS MENTION THE UPDATED EQUITY SCORES WE RECEIVED THOSE OR BIASED SCORES FROM THE BOND OFFICE LAST WEEK WASN'T HUNDRED.
YEAH, WE JUST RECEIVED THAT LAST WEEK.
SO UH, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE TRYING TO TO GET YOU LESS INFORMATION.
SO WHEN WE DID IT, WE CRUSHED ALL THOSE NUMBERS.
UH, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE RESULTS.
SO NO FLOOD DAMAGE, STORM DRAIN PROJECTS
UM, SO THAT I SHOWED THE SIX PROJECTS ON THE LEFT THAT WERE REMOVED AND THE SIX PROJECTS ON THE RIGHT THAT WERE ADDED UH, BASED ON JUST THOSE EQUITY SCORE CHANGES.
UM, SO Y'ALL, WE GOT A MAP LAST WEEK GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I WAS NOT VERY HAPPY WHEN WE WENT TO THE JULY 31ST.
WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE MAIN TASK FORCE AND THE CHAIR.
SO THAT MEETING WAS, HAD A TWO PAGE AGENDA.
IT WAS LONG OVERDUE, IT NEEDED TO COVER A LOT, IT NEEDED TO MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
BUT ONE OF THE PEOPLE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME TO THERE WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE AND 'CAUSE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I THINK WE STILL HAVE ZERO CLARITY AND I MEAN ZERO ON THE TASK FORCE IS WHAT ARE WE DOING ON EQUITY? WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THE 10 POINTS.
OKAY, SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE 10 POINTS AND THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BECOME A BIGGER, MORE PRESENT ISSUE FOR US AS WE GET TO THE END OF THIS PROCESS.
BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DOWN HERE AT GRANULAR LEVEL WORKING WITH A SCORE NEEDS INVENTORY AND NUMBERS MATTER.
SO WHEN I GET AN EMAIL IT SAYS OUT OF NOWHERE WE'VE JUST REVISED THE WHOLE NEEDS INVENTORY AND WE CHANGED THE NUMBERS.
WELL YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REACT TOO WELL.
UM, PLUS I HAD TO GET THAT FROM STAFF OF BOND OFFICE, WHICH I DIDN'T LOVE.
BUT THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND IT DOES.
SO THE FACT THAT THIS HAS CHANGED ON FAIRLY SHORT NOTICE IS NOT ANYTHING WE HAD ANY CONTROL OF AND FRANKLY DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS COMING BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE AT THE JULY VERY FIRST MEETING AND TRYING MIGHTILY TO GET THE EQUITY VOTES TO TELL US WHAT IS THE PLAN HERE, DO YOU NEED US TO DO ANYTHING ON EQUITY OR WE GONNA JUST USE THE 10 POINTS? AND WE, THERE WAS SOMETHING FLOATING AROUND MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE HEARD OF THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE K C M CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
ABOUT 30%, UM, 30% OF THE TOTAL BOND IS GONNA NEED TO GO IN EQUITY AREAS.
IS THAT WHAT CALL THEM? UM, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.
BUT BECAUSE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING WITH THE STORE, IS THAT AN EQUITY AREA OR IS IT ONLY SCORES IS IT'S A ONE TO FIVE SCORE TIMES TWO.
SO WE DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE GONNA PICK A NUMBER AND SAY WELL EIGHT EIGHT NUT COUNTS OR WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GONNA COUNT.
WE FRANKLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AT 30%.
SO THE EQUITY FOLKS CAME, YOU KNOW, I'M HEARING THE BACKGROUND THAT THERE'S SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THE EQUITY NUMBERS REALLY IS THE 10 POINTS REALLY FUNCTIONING AS INTENDED.
SO IT LOOKS AS IF THERE WAS A CHANGE MADE AND I ASKED THE BOND DURING THE BOND OFFICE AND SHE BE, I HAD TO HAVE AN EXPLANATION SO YOU DON'T JUST CHANGE THE ENTIRE NEEDS AND REPORT WITHOUT TELLING ME WHY.
AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THIS ISSUE OF THE GRID VERSUS THE CENSUS TRACK.
I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON HOW TO DO THAT.
BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND, AND BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCREPANCIES ABOUT HOW THAT WAS FUNCTIONING INSIDE THE SCORING SYSTEM, THEY CHANGED THAT.
AND SO THAT ALTERED PROJECTS, SUPPOSEDLY PROJECTS ONLY WENT HIGHER ME SCORE.
BUT AS IF THAT MATTERS, I SAID THAT DOESN'T REALLY TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO KNOW BECAUSE MAYBE JUST 'CAUSE IT WENT HIGHER.
SO I THINK WHAT I SUSPECT IS GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE ON THIS IS WE HAVE THE 10 POINTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
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ISSUE THAT WE MAY NEED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS WHAT ADDITIONAL DO WE NEED TO DO IF ANYTHING.I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIRS WERE REALLY TRYING TO PULL OUT OF THE TASK FORCE WAS WHAT'S YOUR GUIDANCE ON THIS? BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CRITERIA.
I THINK IF WE DID ALL FIVE SUBCOMMITTEES WOULD BE DOING THINGS VERY DIFFERENTLY, WHICH WOULD PUT EQUITY INTO THIS PLAN BEYOND TO THIS BOND IN VERY DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DECISION THEY WANT US TO ADD INTO OUR CONSIDERATION OR NOT.
SO WE ARE UNCLEAR BUT FOR RIGHT NOW THIS 10 POINTS IS THE WAY WE ARE DEPLOYING WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN US ON EQUITY.
ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, THEY JUST SIMPLY AREN'T GIVING US GUIDANCE ABOUT HOW WE COULD HANDLE IT.
I'M HOPING THEY WOULD GIVE US SOME, SO WE WOULD KNOW EITHER JUST STAY WITH THE TWO POINTS AND WE'LL DO WITH EQUITY AT THE TASK FORCE LEVEL OR THE COUNCIL LEVEL BASED ON WHAT I THINK YOU'RE GONNA ULTIMATELY SEE IS A KIND OF A FORCED NUMBER.
WE'RE GONNA, WE WANT THIS TO HIT 30% OF HOW WE DEFINE EQUITY AREAS.
SO WE'RE GONNA TAKE WHAT IS IN THE PRESENTATIONS COMING OUT OF THE TASK FORCE AND WE'RE GONNA START TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE IT HITS THAT 30%.
BUT I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE IN WAY ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE AND A LITTLE BIT LATER.
SO I MEAN THAT'S GONNA GO TO ANOTHER CONVERSATION.
WE'LL GET TO A MINUTE ABOUT WHY WE'RE GIVING RELATE MORE OF THE STUFF ON SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH FOR THEM TO PICK FROM TO GET WHERE THEY ULTIMATELY MAY WANT TO GO WITH THIS.
YEAH, THAT'S I MORE PRESENTATION LATER.
SO YOU HAVE CENSUS, CORRECT? IT WENT FROM CENSUS TRACK TO ONE VIEW, ONE BY ONE.
OH I WAS TOLD THAT CREATED, THEY LOOKED AT THE WAY, LOOKED AT DIFFERENTLY LIKE SO THE GRID IF IT FELL AND THEN TWO DIFFERENT
SO THAT BASICALLY ENDED UP THAT SOME OF THE SCORES, SOME OF THE PROJECTS WERE SCORE HIGHER THAN THEY DID PREVIOUSLY.
IS IS THE ONE OFFICE STUDENT OR THEY'RE USING DATA BUSINESS ANALYTICS, G I S BOTH DO THAT.
A SPACE FOR UH, ANALYSIS SECTION COMES WE PROVIDED.
I'M I'M NOT GOING GO THROUGH THESE PRETTY QUICK.
THIS IS WITH THE SUMMARY YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE, BREAK DOWN DOLLARS WISE WHERE IT ENDED UP, UH, 54 EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS, 37.7 MILLION.
UH, WE HAD 91 PLUS ONE DRAINAGE OF SEVEN 11 PROJECTS FOR 71.2.
THAT'S BASICALLY OUR, UH, OUR SPLIT.
I MEAN, UH, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WE HAVE TO HAVE THE CUT MINE, I'VE GOT TWO PROJECTS SCORING THE SAME.
I CAN'T CUT ONE OUT THE OTHER.
SO BASICALLY THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT 40 MILLION EXACTLY 1% IT FALLS OUT OF 37.7.
UM, BUT THAT'S ROUGHLY GETTING US TO OUR 2080S SPLIT.
YOU ALL WE TALKED ABOUT IN, IN TERMS OF THESE THREE BUCKETS THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, UH, THIS WHOLE TIME.
WE TALKED VERY EARLY ON ABOUT FOR PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE.
MAYBE SARAH WHEN SHE GETS BACK DOWN HERE AND CAN SPEAK TO THIS, UH, ONE OF THE TASK FORCE NUMBERS IS FORMER CITY MANAGER OF A SMALLER SUBURB I THINK RAISED THE ISSUE OF WHETHER WE CAN USE BOND MONEY TO PAY FOR PRIVATE EROSION PROJECTS THAT DON'T HAVE A, A LARGE ENOUGH IMPACT.
AND THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION OF THAT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING STRAIGHT TO BOND COUNCIL OR NOT, BUT I'M A LITTLE, I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT'S GONNA COME DOWN.
'CAUSE WE'VE GOT PRIVATE EROSION SINCE IT'S ONE OF THE, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO PRIVATE EROSION.
BUT SOMEONE IS QUESTIONING WHETHER THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE BY PRIVATE, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD BENEFIT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE EVEN IN OUR PROJECTS.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT THE CONSTITUTION OR SOMETHING MIGHT BAN THAT I DIDN'T DATE.
SARAH I THINK IS MUCH MORE FAMILIAR WITH VALERIE.
MAYBE YOU ARE TOO MATT, BUT I DON'T, I'LL LET SARAH ADDRESS IT.
MAKE SARAH THAT ABOUT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
SO, SO YOU MENTIONED CONSTITUTION, BUT I THINK IT'S MORE OF AN ISSUE.
THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT YEAH, THAT CONSTITUTION BECAUSE IT WE BEING PROVIDED EASEMENT AT NO COST THEN IT'S, IT'S NOT A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE.
IT'S MORE OF A QUESTION ABOUT ORDINANCE.
SO THE QUESTION THAT HAD INITIALLY COME IN, SO BY BY JUSTICE CONSTITUTION AND MY FEDERAL LAW, I CAN'T GIVE ANYTHING.
SO IF I'M DOING A REPUBLICAN, GIVE ME SOMETHING TO THE INSTRUMENT THAT WE USE TO MAKE THAT A PUBLIC USE IS AN EASEMENT.
THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED, THAT WAS WHY WE DID THAT WAS TO SAY, COUNSEL,
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DO YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THIS PATH? IF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN THIS PATH, MEANING YOU BY POLICY DIRECTION TO TELL US TO HEAD DOWN THIS PATH.UM, ACROSS THE COUNTRY, CITIES THAT DO EROSION WOULD LOVE TO GET OUT OF PRIVATE EROSION.
CITIES THAT DO NOT DO PRIVATE EROSION ARE TRYING NOT TO GET IN A PRIVATE EROSION BUSINESS, RIGHT? BUT IT'S COSTLY.
AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE WOULD SAY TO YOU GUYS IS, AND INVESTMENT AS A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER FOR MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS, IT, IT IS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN, RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY EACH TIME, YOU KNOW, MATT SENT IT TO THE COUNCIL ALREADY COME BACK AND THEY GO, YOU STILL WANT US TO DO IT? THE ANSWER IS YES, YOU WANT US TO DO IT AT A COST SHARE.
SO I TRY AT THIS TIME WE COULD ALL COLLEGE TRY AND THEY ALWAYS SAY, NOPE, NOT COST SHARE, BUT PAY PROCEED.
NOW WHAT REALLY HAPPENS IS WHAT BECOMES REAL CHALLENGING IS IF ALL OF YOU ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOGETHER AND THE MIDDLE PROPERTY OR PROPERTY IN BETWEEN TWO SITES, THEY DON'T WANNA GIVE US AN EASEMENT, THEN NEITHER ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS CAN IMPROVEMENTS.
AND WHEN WE CAN'T GET EASEMENTS, WE WALK AWAY 'CAUSE THEN I CAN'T DO THE PROJECT.
YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THESE OLD EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS THERE WE'RE STILL OUT THERE.
IT'S BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER DIDN'T GET AN EASEMENT COUNCIL DISTRICT QUITE READY TO, YEAH, I GOT IT ON, GOT IT FUNDED AND THEN I TURNED AROUND AND I SAW MY HOUSE BECAUSE I TELL THE NEXT HOMEOWNER, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE CITY.
AND THEN THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE GOTTA GIVE ME AN EASEMENT, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING THERE.
SO HE'S REQUESTING A BOND COUNCIL OPINION ON THAT.
UH, I THINK HE JUST WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S STILL LEGAL 'CAUSE HE WASN'T SURE WHAT THE INSTRUMENT WAS.
'CAUSE IT IS NOT WITHOUT THE EASEMENT.
WE CANNOT DO IT, BUT WE COMPLETELY, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE COMFORTABLE, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN ISSUE WITH THE TYPES OF EROSION WE HAVE IN THAT BUCKET.
I DON'T, I THINK THAT EROSION'S EXPENSIVE.
IT'D BE NICE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE DOING A WHOLE BLOCK.
SO IT'S THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY HOW IT WORKS AS BEST TO GET YOUR COURTHOUSES ASSEMBLE.
I MEAN I THINK
AND UNFORTUNATELY ONE PROPERTY GOT FUNDED AND THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR DID.
SO IT WOULD TAKE FOUR BOND PROGRAMS TO COURTHOUSE.
THIS KEEP THIS NUMBER, THIS IS HOW IT LOOKS CURRENTLY, BUT AS WE START TO CUT DOWN THE NUMBERS, IT'S GONNA BE OBVIOUS IT'S NOT GONNA WORK TOO WELL.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW EXPENSIVE SOME OF OUR LARGER PROJECTS ARE.
SO THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, BUT THIS MIGHT, SOME OF THIS IS GONNA FALL OUT.
SO FOR THE EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS,
SAID THEY'LL GET
UM, IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE ABOUT PROPER OWNER CHANGES AND WE RUN INTO THAT, WHICH IS JUST, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF SNAGS WITH THE EROSION CONTROL UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT
SO I DID UPDATE THINGS BASED ON, WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, UPDATED IT BASED ON THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.
UM, AGAIN, WE TRIED TO HIGHLIGHT JUST, YOU KNOW, TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ANY DISTRICTS WHERE THAT THERE, THE SELECTED PROJECTS WERE 5% MORE OR LESS THAN THE PERCENT LIKE THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
UM, IT CAN'T BE PERFECT, BUT IT DID GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
I THINK WE GOT A LITTLE CLOSER IN SOME CASES.
UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ORGANICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT IT WORKED OUT MUCH BETTER THAN HOW WOULD GINNING OF THOSE WORK OUT? NO.
BUT UM, AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THERE'S SOME BIG NUMBERS IN THERE.
CERTAINLY, CERTAINLY DISTRICTS ARE BENEFITING, UH, FROM SOME OF THESE CITYWIDE MULTIPLE DISTRICT PROJECTS IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AS WELL.
SO, YOU KNOW, SIX 13, UH, THEY GET THAT KNIGHT'S BRANCH PROFIT.
THAT'S WHY YOU SEE SO MANY NUMBERS A LITTLE HIGHER THERE.
UH, WE DID BREAK OUT THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS AGAIN, UH, AND JUST KIND OF SHOWED YOU, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY
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WHAT DISTRICTS THEY ARE IN.UM, COULD ALWAYS ARGUE WHETHER A CITYWIDE PROJECT, UH, BENEFITS YOUR DISTRICT OR NOT.
UH, IT'S A CITYWIDE PROJECT SO IT REALLY BENEFITS THE CITY.
LIKE WITH THE TRINITY RIVER PROJECT FOR INSTANCE.
I MEAN IT HELPS ALL THE, UH, FLOOD INSURANCE RATES LOWER, UH, MAKE SURE THE CITY IS CERTIFIED IN THE LEVIES.
UH, BUT ANYWAYS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN THAT Y'ALL HAVE REQUESTED, UH, PREVIOUSLY.
SO WE JUST SHOWED THAT AGAIN HERE FROM EACH SCENARIO.
I'M NOT GONNA GO, GO AND READ IT.
THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF HUGE CHANGES HERE.
UH, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A PROJECT, UH, HERE OR THERE BECAUSE IT'S EROSION.
MAY HAVE ONE PROJECT MAY HAVE COME OUT.
ONE DISTRICT ONE MAY GONE IN WITH EROSION.
AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ONLY SIX PROJECTS, SO THERE WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, WHAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.
UM, JUST AS BEFORE I GET INTO THE OTHER SCENARIOS BECOMING MONEY, I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME THINGS THAT SOME OF OUR KEY PROJECTS AND REMIND YOU OF WHY THEY'RE IMPORTANT.
UH, 'CAUSE WE HAVE TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE AND WE START CUTTING THEM AND WE KEEP SOME OF THESE PROJECTS IN 'CAUSE THEY, THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.
UH, EVERYBODY'S AT THIS POINT IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH MILL CREEK.
IN ORDER TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP, CAPITALIZE ON A HUGE INVESTMENT THE CITY HAS MADE, AND, UH, ADDRESS THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BASICALLY ABOVE THE TUNNEL NORTH OF THE TUNNEL.
UH, WE NEED TO PURSUE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.
THIS IS THE HIGHEST RATED PROJECT IN OUR NEEDS INVENTORY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS NUMBER HERE IS JUST AN ESTIMATE.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY LOW, UH, $878 MILLION WORTH OF PROPERTY MANUFAC.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, ALMOST 2000 PROPERTIES DETECTED.
SO I WAS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANCE OF FACILITY.
YOU HAD TO KEEP THESE THINGS IN MIND IF YOU MAKE DECISIONS.
UM, SO, UH, THAT'S ACTUALLY JUST ANOTHER
HOW MANY, HOW MANY RESIDENTS EXIST FOR? I DON'T, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, PROBABLY WOULD HAVE.
THE NORMAL FAMILY'S PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE, PROBABLY ON AVERAGE.
SO MULTIPLY THAT BY THREE AND A HALF, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.
YOU'RE GETTING UP TO PROBABLY 5,000 NEIGHBORHOOD, 5,000 PEOPLE QUITE.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE QUITE A BIT HIGHER THAN THAT TOO.
SO, UM, NINTH BRANCH, IF YOU REMEMBER THIS PROJECT IS, IT'S AREA 2 60 13.
IT'S JUST, JUST EAST OF, OF
SO YOU CAN SEE GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT IS A PROJECT THAT CAN BE PHASED.
WE OKAY, TWO PHASES, BUT WE CAN DO THE ENGINEERING STUDY AND WE CAN DO THE PHASE ONE DOWNSTREAM IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN WE CAN DO PHASE TWO.
SO AS WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS, KEEP IN MIND WE CAN PROCEED WITH JUST THE ENGINEERING, WE CAN PROCEED WITH IT JUST PHASE ONE.
UM, BUT IT IS HIGH GRADE PROJECTS.
ONE OF THE, I CAN'T REMEMBER, IT WAS LIKE THE TOP FIVE OR SIX PROJECT FOR NEED INVENTORY AND IT'S VERY PROJECT.
SO, UH, JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AGAIN, IT'S TWO PHASES.
WE DO HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH THIS PROJECT AND IT IS A HIGHLY AREA PROPERTY, UH, IMPACTING MULTIPLE DISTRICTS.
UH, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER THING.
I HIGHLIGHTED FEW IMPORTANT THINGS ON THE TRI RIVER CHANNEL.
ON THE WHITE ROCK CREEK PROJECT, UH, TRINITY RIVER CHANNEL.
UH, IT'S NECESSARY TO MEET OUR REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS.
UH, PROTECTS LEVIES, AFFECTS FLOOD INSURANCE RATES FOR I THINK THAT WE'RE UP TO NOW TO 30% BASED ON OUR CRS RATING.
UH, IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN THAT, THEN WE CAN BASICALLY GO AWAY, RIGHT? SO IT'S, IT'S A BIG IMPACT.
UH, ALSO WHITE ROCK PRECLINICAL STUDY.
UH, IT'S A BASICALLY A THIRD HIGHEST ONE THAT ATORY IT AFFECTS ALMOST EVERY DISTRICT KEY GUIDE KNOW ROCK CREEK
OKAY, SO THE BAT, NOW I WANNA SWITCH GEARS AND GET INTO, SO MIXED UP, UM, TALK ABOUT THESE OTHER SCENARIO.
UM, SO GO AHEAD
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ROUGHLY $2 MILLION REDUCTION.UH, 40 MILLION REDUCTION IN FLOOD FORM AND 11 PROJECTS SELECTED.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT AND LOWER MAKE BALANCE, 40 MILLION
BUT WE HAD TO REDUCE, UH, PHASE TWO OF NICE BRANCH TAKE OFF SOME OF THAT MONEY THERE, UH, IN PHASE TWO.
BUT IN KEEPING WITH THIS, DOING IT IN THAT SCENARIO, WE WERE STILL ABLE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE CITYWIDE AND MULTIPLE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
OKAY? SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
THAT'S BASED ON OUR APPLYING THE SAME CRITERIA.
HERE'S JUST A RECAP OF IT CAME OUT 30 MILLION, UH, WHICH IS BASICALLY RIGHT ON 20%.
UM, 45 PROJECTS, SIX
UM, BUT FOR 120 MILLION THE HAD WAS TOGETHER.
SO HAD MARKED THIS KIND OF SHOWED YOU WHERE THE CUT LINE END DOES.
IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND LOOK, SINCE I HAVEN'T GIVEN YOU THE LIFT YET BECAUSE I EXPLAINED EARLIER, WANT TO GET SOME FEEDBACK.
BUT IF YOU WANNA SEE WHERE THE CUT LINE ENDS UP ON THE EROSION CONTROL, UH, BASICALLY ANYTHING BELOW I SHOULD NINE SIX C THE LIFT TOWARDS ON THE 200 MILLION BUCKS NARROW THAT COMES AWAY.
AND THEN TOTAL SCORE BILL OF 60
ALRIGHT, SO HERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH TO CONSIDER WITH $150 MILLION.
WE DIDN'T WANT, LIKE THE WAY INITIALLY CAME OUT WAS TO STILL DO THE SAME SCENARIO FOR ER EROSION CONTROL.
BUT AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, TO GET $40 MILLION REDUCTION IN FLOOD STORM, WE CAN TAKE AWAY THE NICE BRANCH BASE TO, OKAY, IT'S AN 18.3 MILLION.
WE COULD NOT KILL FOR SAYING THIS.
WE COULD REMOVE THE TRAINING RIVER CHANNEL PROJECT, OKAY.
AND THEN KEEP THE REST OF THE PROJECT.
THE BENEFIT OF THIS IS THAT MOST OF THE PROJECTS WILL BE KEPT AND THEN YOU BASICALLY ONLY BE SACRIFICING, UH, THOSE TWO PROJECTS.
AND WE UH, ONE OF THE NICE BRANCH ALREADY IN OUR KIND OF FAR OUT
WE CAN REPRIORITIZE THOSE IF THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT.
TAKE IT AGAIN, THE BENEFIT HERE IS KNOW YOU'RE HERE.
YOU'RE RETAINING MORE PROJECTS BY DOING THIS THAN YOU DID THE OTHER AHEAD.
ALRIGHT, NOW WE GO TO THE HUNDRED MILLION TOUGHER WHEN WE PICK UP MILLION, OKAY? UH, USING AGAINST SENATE PROPORTIONS, I GUESS ABOUT 20 MILLION FOR EROSION, 80 MILLION FOR FLOOD.
THE STORM, UH, WE REMOVED BASED ON PROJECT SCORE WE STARTED CUTTING AGAIN.
UH, WHEN WE GOT TO A GOOD CUT POINT, THAT WAS BASICALLY $21 MILLION REDUCTION FROM THE PREVIOUS SCENARIO.
AND NOW WE'LL SET UP 54 PROJECTS FOR 280, 45 FOR HUNDRED 50 WE'RE AT 27.
SO WE BASICALLY CUT IN HALF ALMOST PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY FOR 200.
UM, WE NOW ONLY HAVE SEVEN PROJECTS.
FLOOD THE STORM COMPARED TO 18.
WHAT WE STARTED, OKAY, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, IT'S JUST BASED ON SCHOOL ALONE.
WE HAD ONE CITYWIDE PROJECT, UH, AND ONE MULTIPLE DISTRICT PROJECT.
OKAY? THE CITYWIDE WAS A TRINITY RIVER CHANNEL.
UH, THE MULTIPLE DISTRICT PROJECT IS UH, UM, KNIGHTS BRANCH.
OKAY? AND, UH, WE'RE GOING, EVEN WITH THAT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON WHERE MORE MARKETING.
SO, UH, WITH THIS SCENARIO, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE QUITE REDUCED TO THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS YOU COULD DO AT A HUNDRED MILLION.
UM, I THINK THINK GOING WITH THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER SUMMARY MARK GOING NEXT SLIDE JUST BRINGS IT OUT FOR YOU.
UM, 18.8 MILLION, TARGET 20, BUT IT'S POINT 10 CUT LINE.
UM, SO BASICALLY THERE YOU'VE GOT GOT FOUR STORM DRAINAGE AND THREE FLOODING.
SO YOU CAN JUST SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING WITH FARTHER WE GO, MORE REDUCTION.
SO, UM, AT THE HUNDRED 80, YOUR HONOR, IF YOU WANT LOOK AT QUITE BUNCH OF CONTROLS NOT OFF THE LIST.
THE CUT LINE NOW IS AN ELMWOOD.
UM, AND ME, ANY SCORES BELOW UH, UH, GETTING TO AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH FOR HUNDRED.
UM, UH, AGAIN, WE USE THE SAME FORTUNE.
UM, AND THIS, THIS IS JUST SOME MY OPTION, OKAY FOR SITTING NICK ON SLIDE, I'M REALLY GONNA HAVE YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, BUT THAT RESULTS IN $21 MILLION REDUCTION AND
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WE'RE NOW 27 PROJECTS NOW WE GET TO TRYING TO GET THE ADDITIONAL MONEY, UM, FROM FLOOD STORM.WE REMOVE NIGHT SPREADS CONSTRUCTION, PHASE ONE TWO.
SO WE JUST KEEP IT INSIDE OF IT.
UM, WE REMOVE TRENDING RIVER CHANNEL AND WE CAN REDUCE MILL CREEK OR WE COULD REMOVE THE LOWEST WORK PROJECTS BY FIVE 2 MILLION.
UH, SO BENEFIT OF THIS VERSUS THE OTHER SCENARIO FOR OUR, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP MORE PROJECTS, WE'RE JUST SACRIFICING THE BIG PROJECTS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO SACRIFICE MILL CREEK AT ALL, BUT WE CAN REDUCE IT IF WE HAVE TO REDUCE IT WRONG ABOUT 5.2 MILLION, THAT'S PROBABLY REALITY ONE.
UH, SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING MORE FLOOD STORM BRANCH S UM, IT DOES CUT CITY LINE MULTIPLE DISTRICT PROJECTS.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE COULD HAVE LOTS OF ITERATIONS ON HOW TO DO THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF LAY OUT A COUPLE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS FOR YOU.
UM, OKAY, SO HERE, HERE'S, HERE'S KIND OF WHAT'S IN, WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW YOU DO THIS.
LET ME GIVE 'EM SOME BACKGROUND THOUGH BECAUSE I WANT TO TRY TO EDUCATE YOU ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WE ARE DEALING WITH SCENARIOS IN MY EYES BECAUSE I'M SO FRUSTRATED BY ALL THOSE SCENARIOS.
UM, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT'S FLOATING OUT THERE YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IS THE COUNCIL PRESENTATION FOR TOMORROW.
AND THIS IS A SOBERING DOCUMENT BECAUSE UM, ONE OF THE PRIMARY THINGS YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH, BONDING, PASSING OF WHAT'S THE NUMBER, THE TOTAL, I THINK WE'RE JUST GONNA GO WITH A MILLION BOARD KNOWS WHAT REALLY ENDS UP BEING.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE HIGHER BE GETTING SOMEWHERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH A BILLION DOLLARS CAPACITY.
SO THEN HOW DOES THAT GET ALLOCATED? SO THE ALLOCATION QUESTION IS ONE THAT'S BEEN NEAR AND DEAR TO MAKE THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS TRYING TO SORT OUT WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? I SEE THIS CHART FLOATING OVER SOMEWHERE.
IT'S COMING FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN? WE'VE HAD VERY, OUR NUMBERS GONE UP.
BUT RIGHT NOW THE UH, RECOMMENDED OR THE PROPOSED ALLOCATION TO FLOOD PROTECTION IS 55 MILLION.
SO THAT'S AN A SOBERING NUMBER, BUT IT'S COMING FROM THE CITY MANAGER.
SO ONE OF THE OVERARCHING ISSUES I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IS WHO'S IN CHARGE OF ALLOCATION? NOBODY SEEMS TO KNOW FUNDAMENTALLY THE LAST PERSON IN CHARGE IS THE COUNCIL.
THEY WILL ULTIMATELY DECIDE THIS FUND, THIS ALLOCATION CHART, BUT THEY'RE GONNA DO IT WHEN WE'RE LONG GONE.
AND I DON'T KNOW QUITE HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH THAT WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
SO WHAT I TRIED TO DO IS SAY, OKAY, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE COUNCILS GUY'S ULTIMATE AUTHORITY AT THE VERY LAST SECOND.
THEY CALL THE ELECTION TO START MOVING MONEY AND BUCKETS.
BUT WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? BECAUSE WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT CITIZENS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON YOU HAVE THESE SUBCOMMITTEES.
SO WOULDN'T IT BE NICE IF SOMEONE WOULD GIVE US SOME FIRM, YOU KNOW, SOME SEMI FIRM NUMBERS AND THEN TELL US HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT? BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO GIVE PROPOSALS TO TASK FORCE THAT BEARS SOME RESEMBLANCE TO WHAT WILL END UP BEING THE CASE AT THE END.
AND IF WE GO IN AT 200 MILLION, CLEARLY WE'RE NOT GETTING 200 MILLION UNLESS SOME MIRACLE HAPPENS.
SO THE CHALLENGE THAT I WAS TRYING TO PREVENT ON JULY 31ST TO THE MAIN TASK FORCE WAS WE NEED YOU GUYS TO GIVE GUIDANCE, WE NEED YOU TO LEAD ON THIS AND SAY EITHER, YOU KNOW WHAT CITY MANAGER, I MEAN HE IS A CITY MANAGER, HE CARRIES A LOT OF SWAY.
THIS IS, THESE ARE HIS NUMBERS RIGHT NOW AS INFORMED A LITTLE BIT BY SOME COUNCIL MEMBER COMMENTS.
SO DO WE JUST GO WITH THIS AS A BASE SCENARIO AND SAY OKAY, IT'S 55 BUT GIVE US SOMETHING A LITTLE HIGHER AND A LITTLE LOWER.
SO ONE OF THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS, SHE WAS A FORMER COUNSELOR CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, WE NEED TO GO, WE NEED TO KNOW A LOWER TOO.
WELL THAT'S A SCARY THOUGHT AT 55 MILLION.
SO I WAS LIKE, DO YOU WANT US TO ALL, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE ALL FIVE SUBCOMMITTEES HAVE A DIFFERENT NUMBER, RIGHT? SO HOW DO WE GIVE YOU ALL SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE? BECAUSE IF THE PARKS NUMBER FOR EXAMPLE ON THIS IS YOU KNOW, 1 65 AND THEY THROW UP TO TASKFORCE PROPOSAL AT 400 BILLION MILLION, HOW USEFUL IS THAT TO YOU? REALLY? SAME APPLIES TO US.
IF IT'S 55 AND ALL WE GIVE YOU IS 200 MILLION, ARE WE HELPING YOU AND ARE WE REALLY DOING OUR JOB TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S 55 MILLION WE ARE TELLING YOU HOW BEST TO SPEND IT VERSUS JUST SENDING A BUNCH OF STUFF UP AND Y'ALL SORTING IT OUT, YOU KNOW, ABOVE OUR HEAD.
THAT'S, I HOPE NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
I WAS NOT GIVEN ANY GUIDANCE ON THAT ISSUE FOR SOME REASON.
AND SO WE ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TASK FORCE, MAIN TASK FORCE'S ANSWER TO THAT WAS WE NEED TO DO AN ALLOCATION POLL OF NOT ONLY THEMSELVES, WHICH MIGHT HAVE HAD SOME VALUE IF THEY WANTED TO STRAW POLL THEMSELVES LIKE A JURY DOES.
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WHERE ARE WE ALL STANDING ON THE TASK FORCE? WHAT ARE WE THINKING? BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BOUND BY THIS, THEY CAN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDED ALLOCATION OF THEIR OWN.SO DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? WELL I THINK WHAT THEY SAID BACK WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA HOLD PEOPLE AND, AND NOT JUST OURSELVES, LIKE I SAID, I COULD HAVE SEEN THAT, BUT WE'RE GONNA SEND IT OUT TO ALL THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND I DIDN'T TAKE THAT TERRIBLY WELL BECAUSE ONE, I DON'T WANNA BURDEN YOU ALL.
YOU'RE SITTING THERE WITH YOUR HEADS AND FLOOD STUFF AND I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BECOME AN EXPERT ON HOW TO ALLOCATE VOMIT.
BUT PLUS YOU KNOW, EVERY SUBCOMMITTEE'S GONNA DO JUST WHAT WE DID, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, HEY I DON'T CARE.
WHATEVER YOU DO, WE NEED TAKE YOU SAY ONE 50 OR 200 FOR US AND THEN YOU KNOW, DO YOUR BEST ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WHAT'S THE VALUE OF THAT? AND IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL NOTICED THIS, BUT IN THE POLL THEY SENT OUT, THEY ACTUALLY LEFT OFF ONE OF THE AUCTIONS, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY, I KNOW I WAS CRAZY TRYING TO DON'T GET ME STARTED.
SO I WAS PROTESTING ACTUALLY I WAS NOT THE REASON, I APOLOGIZE TO YOU ALL FOR NOT GETTING A TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY 'CAUSE I WAS SO HOT AND BOTHERED BY THE WHOLE THING AND I REALLY DIDN'T WANNA DO IT AND I WAS JUST GONNA PROTEST AND PICK UP MY BOYS AND GOAT, BUT I THOUGHT THIS IS WORTHLESS AND IT'S NOT GONNA GO WELL FOR US AND FLOODING.
BUT THEN I SAW THAT'S PROBABLY NOT MATURE.
SO I WENT IN AND SENT IT OUT AND I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT 'CAUSE I JUST DON'T WISH YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT.
AND THEN THEY EXTENDED, THEN THEY, ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S GONNA BE THAT FRIDAY.
NOW IT'S LIKE OOPSY DA, YOU KNOW, IT'S LAST FRIDAY WAS STILL EXTENDED.
ARE THEY GONNA USE THAT POLL? I DON'T THINK IT POLLS ANY VALUE THAT ANYBODY THAT FILLED IT OUT BECAUSE LIKE, LIKE HOW MANY OF LIKE WHAT LIKE A HUNDRED PEOPLE ABOUT FILLED IT OUT.
LIKE WE'RE IN FIVE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT NEVER MEET AND WE HAVE NO IDEA.
WE'VE ONLY EITHER FOUR GROUPS.
SO I THOUGHT THAT POLL WAS REALLY STUPID.
I HAVEN'T SEEN IT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT DOES OTHER THAN RUN COVER FOR THEM IF THEY WANT TO STACK IT WITH I, WHATEVER NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER'S BEHIND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT I JUST DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS ULTIMATELY GONNA BENEFIT.
SO I THINK THAT'S FLOATING OUT THERE TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT MIGHT INFORM MAYBE AN ALTERNATE TASK FORCE ALLOCATION.
THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME AWARENESS AMONG THE TASK FORCE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE CAN HORSE TRADE AND WE CAN SORT OF SORT THIS OUT.
BUT, BUT I DON'T, I'M STUNNED AND I SAID SO AT THE TIME I'M STUNNED THAT THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US MORE DIRECTION BECAUSE I THINK YOU GOT FIVE SUBCOMMITTEES AND A HUNDRED PEOPLE MEETING AND THEY REALLY NEED TO HAVE WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT 'EM TO DO ON AN ALLOCATION.
SO WHAT THE STAFF HAS JUST DONE HERE, IT'S VERY TEDIOUS AND HARD IS GO BACK AND TRY TO GIVE YOU THREE SCENARIOS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE ALL HIGHER THAN 55.
SO I JUST DON'T KNOW AS YOUR CHAIR, I'M, I THINK THAT IT'S MY JOB TO PROVIDE BETTER GUIDANCE TO YOU ON THIS AND NOBODY'S HELPING ME DO THAT RIGHT NOW IS, WHAT IS IT THEN IN TWO WEEKS NOW I'M NOW AUGUST 29TH.
SO AUGUST 22ND, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT US FIVE TO GIVE YOU IN RELATION TO A DOLLAR VALUE? SO I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT.
SO WE ARE, WE NOW IN A VERY HAZY AREA IN MY OPINION, WHERE I FEEL TOUGH ASKING STAFF TO KEEP DOING YOUR SCENARIOS.
IF YOU REALLY STARTED RUNNING ALL THESE THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON PROJECTS.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE AND IT'S A GAIN, IT FEELS LIKE A GAIN FRANKLY, ABOUT WELL WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PRESENT? REALLY WANT TO COME IN AT 55? YOU WANNA GO DOWN 35? WHICH FRANKLY THAT'S ALMOST A WASTE AT THIS POINT FOR US.
UM, BUT IF WE COME IN AT A HUNDRED, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK YOU HAVE TO GO ABOVE.
SO ONE THING THAT I ALSO WOULD ADD IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NUMBERS, EVEN IF THEY WERE TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, 65 MILLION, WE'D STILL PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE 'EM PROPOSALS HIGHER THAN THAT BECAUSE I THINK COUNCIL NEEDS SOME ROOM TO PLAY WITH.
IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GONNA JUST STANDING, OH, OKAY, THIS IS, THIS IS IT.
WE'RE GONNA DO EVERYTHING YOU SAID THEY NEED TO SEE FROM US.
WELL THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT IN, IN A 200 BILLION SCENARIO, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT MADE OUR SCORING CUT.
SO WE'RE TAKING THAT MASSIVE NEEDS INVENTORY BALLPARK, THAT WAS WHAT, 4 BILLION, WHATEVER IT IS WHEN WE START HERE AND TAKING IT DOWN TO 200 MILLION.
SO IN DOING THE $200 MILLION WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR SO LONG, WE'VE, WE'VE DEFINED THE AREA THAT WE THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE IN TO THESE 200 MILLION.
AND I, I THINK WE SHOULD HOLD ONTO THAT.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, I TEND TO INSIST ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S OUR JOB, IS TO TAKE THAT BIG INVENTORY AND SQUEEZE IT DOWN TO SOME SMALLER UNIVERSE OF STUFF THAT SHOULD REALLY BE THE BOUNDARIES.
THAT'S THE BALLPARK EVERYBODY WALKS INTO AND THEY SAY THEY WANT TO DO THIS BOND AND THIS IS THE STUFF YOU GET TO PICK FROM.
NOW WE'VE GOT A MYRIAD OF WAYS WE CAN COMBINE THAT BASED ON WHAT NUMBER WE'RE ULTIMATELY DEALING WITH.
SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR CHALLENGE.
THE DEADLINE, I GUESS THEY FIGURED MAYBE IT WASN'T CLEAR THAT, SO THEY GAVE US MORE TIME TO MAKE THESE PRESENTATIONS, BUT
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I STILL DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.BUT SOME DISCUSSION OF THAT, SOME SUGGESTIONS, BUT WE JUST COULDN'T GET HIM TO MAKE A DECISION.
SO WHO'S MAKING THE FINAL CALL ON THE UH, ALLOCATION AMOUNTS COUNCIL? YES, IN FEBRUARY.
SO ANOTHER THING I WANNA LET YOU KNOW, SO THE ISSUE OF, I HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE WE HERE, WE'RE HERE EVERY WEEK.
WE'VE BEEN OVER MONTHS DOING A LOT OF WORK AND I FEEL THIS IS VERY VALUABLE WORK.
SO I THINK WHERE I GET CROSSWAYS ALONG PROCESS IS WHAT THESE UP PEOPLE ABOVE MY HEAD IS, THIS IS VALUABLE RIGHT NOW AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF WE'RE DONE AND SHUT THE LIGHTS ON AUGUST 29TH, YOU GUYS ARE JUST GOING TO HITTING YOUR HEAD AROUND WHAT FIVE PROPOSALS FROM SUB ARE GONNA LOOK LIKE.
AND THEN YOU THINK Y'ALL ARE GONNA BE MORE TRADING ALL THIS BUSINESS.
AND I'M LIKE, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE DECISION MAKERS.
WHENEVER YOU GUYS DECIDE HOW YOU WANT THIS TO LOOK, I WANT MY COMMITTEE BACK.
SO THAT'S WHY WE PUT ANOTHER MEETING ON YOUR CALENDAR FOR OCTOBER.
BECAUSE MY POINT IS IT'S NOT MY JOB AND I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.
I MEAN, NOT THAT I'M MIND DOING IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR ON YOU ALL FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE PASTORS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THAT WHEN WE SEND SOMETHING UP ON THE 29TH AND THEN LITERALLY THAT'S THE FIRST TIME IT FEELS LIKE THE TASK FORCE'S REALLY GONNA LOOK AT ALL I, AND GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA FIGURE OUT
WE NEED Y'ALL TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY AND HERE'S OUR POINTERS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO.
IT'S NOT ME THAT COMES BACK WITH THAT.
I HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU.
SO WE'VE PUT MORE TIME AND AND ALSO TO THE POINT THEY AREN'T GOING, THEY HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE US PRESENT ON THE 22ND, OUR PLAN, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE 200 MILLION TIMES.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA SEND IT OUT FOR FEEDBACK.
WELL, THEY KIND OF FINALLY REALIZED WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT AGENDA, THEY JUST DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
SO BEFORE THEY DID ANYTHING WITH IT, THEY'RE GONNA SEND IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
I MEAN, SO THAT KIND OF DEFEATS THE PURPOSE.
AND SO THEY DECIDED NOW WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THE 29TH AND THEY'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, START LOOKING AT IT ALL.
I THINK MAYBE THEY'LL START TO DOT ON THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO SORT SOME OF THESE ISSUES OUT.
WE EITHER DON'T HAVE WHAT WE NEED OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO NOW THEY'VE PUSHED BACK THE PUBLIC COMMENT PHASE.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE SOME TIME WITH THESE PROPOSALS AND THEY'RE GONNA DECIDE, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY WANT THE FIRE TO LOOK AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA SEND IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WHICH MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE IN MY MIND FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I THINK THEN THEY'RE SEEING SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE VALID.
IS THIS, ARE YOU FOLLOWING THIS? IT'S A LOT.
WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME WITH IT.
THEY'RE GONNA TAKE SOME TIME WITH IT.
THE REASON I PUT THE 19TH IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA TAKE HELP ME ON THE DEADLINES.
SOMEBODY KIND SOME OF THE LAYERS.
IS IT, WHEN ARE THEY GONNA GO OUT TO, SO THIS SLIDE 29 HERE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, IN SEPTEMBER 20, SEPTEMBER 26TH, THE TOWN HALL.
AND THEN THE TOWN HALL'S BEEN ON THE 13TH OF OCTOBER.
AND I, I DON'T EVEN KNOW, IT'S A WHOLE NOTHER QUESTION TO ASK.
WE'RE GONNA, THIS IS BUDGET SEASON NOW, SO THERE'S A BUDGET SET OF BUDGET TOWN HALLS THAT'S GONNA GO ON.
AND THEN I GUESS THEY'RE ENVISIONING SOME BOND TOWN HALLS.
IF ANYBODY COULD POSSIBLY STAND ANY MORE TALK OF CITY MONEY THAT THEY HAVE ALL COME BACK TO BOND MEETINGS AND HAVE BOND
I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL WORK, BUT I PUT AN EXTRA MEETING ON AFTER THOSE END.
BUT I MEAN, I WAS VERY CLEAR WITH THAT THIS MEETING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HOLD OUR TASK FORCE OPEN, I, I WAS KEEPING A SUBCOMMITTEE SO MY TASK FORCE SUBCOMMITTEE OPEN SO THAT ONCE EVERYBODY HAD MORE TIME TO KIND OF, MAYBE, MAYBE THEN WE'RE GONNA GET SOME GUIDANCE THAT LOOKS A LITTLE BIT STRONGER ABOUT HOW THEY WANT THIS
SO I THINK AT SOME POINT WE WILL GET THIS, BUT I WISH IT WAS NOW SO THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH A GOOD PROPOSAL NOW.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS JUST FIGURE SOMETHING OUT FOR THE 29TH IF WE DON'T KNOW BY THEN ANY MORE GUIDANCE, PITCH SOMETHING UP, LET THEM DO WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO TO START TO REALLY GET THE, AND IN FAIRNESS TO THEM, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN PROPOSALS FROM FIVE DIFFERENT PAST SUBCOMMITTEES, YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH.
SO MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO, HOW TO WRANGLE IT RIGHT NOW.
SO MAYBE ONCE THEY SEE OUR ORIGINAL PROPOSALS FROM EACH OF THE, THE SUBCOMMITTEES THAT THEY'LL MAYBE BE ABLE TO, TO GIVE US MORE GUIDANCE ON
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HOW THEY WANT US TO PROCEED.BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP A MEETING OPEN SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE, IF THEY TELL US, HEY, YOUR NEW ALLOCATION IS 75 BILLION AND WE WANT A HARD 75 OR WE WANT 50, 75 AND A HUNDRED, WELL THEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH DECISIONS.
SO ONE OF THE REASONS YOU HAVE THE SLIDES IN THIS PRESENTATION IS BECAUSE I WANT YOU ALL TO HAVE SOMETHING YOU CAN REFER BACK TO, BECAUSE THIS KIND OF SUMMARIZES HOW WE GOT HERE A LITTLE BIT.
PARTICULARLY THOSE HIGH LEVEL CONSIDERATIONS.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WHAT THIS COULD COME DOWN TO FOR US IS DO WE WANT TO DO CITYWIDE PROJECTS OR NOT? AND WE START GETTING DOWN TO THOSE LOW NUMBERS AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LET GO OF THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS AND THAT GOES RIGHT TO THE HEART OF WHAT YOU ALL THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING TO BENEFIT THE CITY.
ULTIMATELY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 14 COUNCIL DISTRICTS, BUT I THINK OUR, AS I SEE OUR JOB IS FOR, IS TO DO THE BEST THING THE CITY.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE SOME HARD, TOUGH DECISIONS COMING DOWN THE PIPE IF AND BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE DECISIONS ARE GONNA GET HERE.
AND MEANWHILE WE HAVE TO PLAY THIS GAME ABOUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STRUCTURE PROPOSALS IN TWO WEEKS.
I'M SORRY, I TALKED CORRECTLY.
IS IT A PART OF OUR, UH, JOB TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE MONEY YES.
TO OUR CITY COUNCIL BOARD? YES.
UM, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, WE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, NOT DO THAT.
BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A TOUGH, TOUGH GO ON IT TO GET WHAT? IT'S GONNA BE TOUGH FOR US TO GET A LOT MORE MONEY.
I THINK WE'LL GET SOME, AND SARAH, ANYBODY AT THE HIGH LEVEL CAN SPEAK TO PERHAPS WHAT FAIR ULTIMATE READING WOULD BE.
NOW THAT'S WHY I'VE SEEN COUNCILS AND SO BACK IN LAST COMPETITION, LIKE HOW, HOW COME OVER HERE, BUT I HAVE MONEY OVER HERE.
I SEEN COUNCIL, WE START LOOKING AT THIS KIND OF GO, GOSH, I DON'T NEED A LOT OF THIS RIGHT NOW.
SO THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL TAKE IT AND THROW MORE MONEY TOWARDS, I THINK WHEN THEIR COUNCIL SEES ALL OF THIS IN TOTAL, THEY'RE GONNA FEEL A LOT LIKE ALL OF Y'ALL ARE RIGHT NOW, THIS DOESN'T BUY ME A LOT.
I DO THIS AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS AN ELEMENT OF WALK DISTRICT AND TAUGHT TO ALL THESE RESIDENTS.
HOW AM I GONNA SELL THESE RESIDENTS CAN'T GIVE
UM, AND SO I THINK IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT Y'ALL ARE SAYING AND I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK YOU NEED KIND OF TO WEIGH IN, RIGHT? AND SO TO THE POINT DOLLAR, THE QUESTIONS, RIGHT? YOU JUST WANT TO GO, LET'S STICK, LET'S STICK TO OUR GUNS AND LET'S KEEP THESE THINGS GO DIVIDED BY 15 AND 15 IS THE CITYWIDE AND WHATEVER SIZE.
THAT'S SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET TO SMALL SMALL PROPOSITION.
THE OTHER PART IS YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR COUNTERPARTS IN THE STREET PROPOSITION ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING THE DRAINAGE INTO NEW STREETS, RIGHT? SO YOU WANT THEM TO DO ALL THE NEW STREETS IN THESE AREAS IF YOU'RE SHORT ENOUGH.
SO RECONSTRUCTION REAL STREETS, WHICH DRAIN PIPES BELONG OVER THERE OR EROSION AND PARKS GET IT INTO THEIR CROP.
SO THERE'S SOME STRATEGY THAT GOES INTO IT AND THAT'S WHERE YOU START SEEING THOSE VARIATIONS.
WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE, SO I HEARD THERE'S NO, I'VE WORKED SOME, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS STARTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, PROBABLY SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS AND
AND SO THAT'S THE OTHER, AND WE'LL ALL BE LATER THIS, SO ONE THING THAT COMES UP AT, AND SO AT MY LEVEL IS THE, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TIMING.
SO COUNCIL JUST WOKE UP ON THE BOND.
I MEAN IT'S LIKE THEY JUST, AND IT'S NOT THAT THEY'VE BEEN ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL, IT'S JUST THIS HAS NOT BEEN PUT ON THEIR RADAR.
I THINK ENOUGH AT THIS POINT, THESE COUNCIL FUNDAMENTALLY NEEDED TO SAY WHAT'S THE BOND THEME? WHAT'S THE BOND GOAL? I FEEL STRONGLY THAT SHOULD HAVE ALREADY EVEN DECIDED.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE HEARING THAT AFTER WE'RE DONE.
I MEAN CERTAINLY IF WE'RE GONNA DO A BACK TO BASICS BOND THAT HELPS US.
SO I KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW THAT.
BUT APPARENTLY, APPARENTLY NOT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GET TO FIND OUT.
I THINK THEY'RE DOING THEMSELVES A DISSERVICE, BUT CERTAINLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF NOT RESPECTING THE SUBCOMMITTEE PROCESS THE WAY I WOULD WANT TO IF WE DON'T EVEN KNOW A THEME.
SO FIRST OF ALL, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA GET IT.
SO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE JUST STARTING TO REALLY GO, OKAY, WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE? MAYBE TALK TO THEIR PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEIR SCHEDULE IS SO
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BEHIND OURS, WHY THEY'VE GOT THIS LINED UP.THAT'S WHY WHAT WE TRIED TO DO ON JULY 31ST, 'CAUSE I TRIED TO SAY WE'VE GOTTA EXTEND THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND WE'VE GOT A FULL THE COUNCIL.
SO THERE'S MORE OVERLAP ON WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS WITHOUT AT LEAST SOME REASONABLE LEVEL OF GUIDANCE THAT I'M THE BOARD OF A COMPANY.
LIKE THE COUNCIL MIGHT BE, I WOULD TELL MY FOLKS, YOU KNOW, ASSUME IT'S A BILLION DOLLARS, ASSUME THIS ALLOCATION FOR RIGHT NOW.
SO WHEN YOU ASK, IS IT OUR JOB TO ADVOCATE I GUESS IN A WAY.
BUT OUR MAIN JOB IS TO GO THROUGH THAT MASSIVE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS AND COME UP WITH SOME REASONABLE WAY TO DECIDE WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BASED ON SOME NUMBER.
IT'S HARD TO DO THAT AND GO AND ADVOCATE FOR MORE MONEY BECAUSE ULTIMATELY ALSO WHAT THE COUNCIL'S GONNA DO IS WHENEVER THEY GET WHATEVER THEY GET AND THEY'RE GONNA DECIDE, GOSH, I REALLY THINK HOUSING IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN FLOOD AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THEIR OUT LOCATION OUT OF OUR PROPOSITION TO GET ANOTHER MONEY.
SO THAT'S ALSO FRUSTRATING AND THERE'S NOTHING WE YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S JUST GONNA HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.
SOME OF THAT DISCUSSION IS GOING ON TASK FORCE LEVEL, WHICH REALLY CONCERNING BECAUSE ONCE THEY START MONKEYING WITH IT IN THAT WAY, I THINK WE ARE JUST REALLY ADRIFT IN TRYING TO WONDER WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE, WHY ARE WE HERE? SO THERE'S ALSO A VERY STRONG LOBBY EFFORT ON BEHALF OF THE HOUSING PORTION OF THE BOND.
I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE UH, DALLAS HOUSING COALITION, BUT IT IS A GROUP OF LIKE 50 ORGANIZATIONS AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR $400 MILLION, UM,
SO, UM, THAT JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY GUYS KNOW THAT.
I KNOW THEY'VE GOT, THEY GOT CUT PRETTY GOOD SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA, THE PARKS IS MAKING A HEAVY PUSH.
OBVIOUSLY STREETS IS GONNA GET A TON OF MONEY.
THAT'S JUST, I THINK, SO SOME OF THIS IS WHEN YOU START REALLY LOOKING AT HOW THIS ALLOCATION GOES, THERE'S NOT A TON OF PLACES THAT YOU CAN GET MORE MONEY.
UM, IF YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW YOUR COUNCIL FEELS, I MEAN DO THEY THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IT AT 28 MILLION? YOU KNOW, IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE IN HERE? AGRICULTURAL PERFORMING ARTS GET THE SAME AMOUNT WE DID NOW, BUT THOSE ARE BIG CONVERSATIONS THAT I THINK ARE MAYBE NEED TO BE HAD AT SOME LEVEL.
BUT THIS ALLOCATION IS PRESENTATION IS GONNA HAPPEN TOMORROW.
I WAS ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND I HAVE IT FOR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL ALLOCATION.
WE CAN SEND IT OUT TO YOU SO YOU CAN SEE IT.
IF YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE CITY LEVEL.
AND THIS IS COMING FROM THE, THAT EMAIL, THAT LIST OF MEMBERS COMING FROM WHERE, WHO IT'S COMING FROM.
WHO OR, WELL THIS PRESENTATION IS COMING FROM THE BOND OFFICE.
BUT I THINK THIS ALLOCATION IS COMING FROM THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS, YEAH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF COUNCIL MEMBER FEEDBACK THAT THE BOND OFFICE HAS OBTAINED.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTO QUESTIONNAIRE.
SECOND, THE BOND OFFICE SAID THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER FEEDBACK.
SO THEY ASKED THE GOVERNOR FEEDBACK ON DOLLAR PROPOSITION BUT WHEN I ASKED A WHILE BACK, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBER FEEDBACK.
UM, AND THEY TOOK ANYBODY THAT DIDN'T REPLY AS A ZERO
YEAH, NO, AND I JUST DON'T, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THEY KNOW.
I MEAN THEY CLEARLY SEE IMPLICATIONS BUT I THINK WHAT YOU MAY SEE OUT THE TASK FORCE GIVEN NUMBER OF PARTS FOLKS ON THERE THAT THESE NUMBERS GET CHANGED AROUND AND THEY SAY WE WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO THEY COULD COME UP WITH A WHOLE NOTHER SET OF NUMBERS, WHICH IS I THINK WHY THEY RAN A COVER OF SOME POLL, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE THEMSELVES SOME BASIS TO SAY, WELL ALL A HUNDRED PEOPLE ON THE TASK FORCE SAW HARD GET 300 STREETS TO GET TO.
I DON'T KNOW, THIS CAN COME OUT TO UM, SO I'M JUST BEING PESSIMISTIC.
BUT I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY THEY MAY DECIDE THEY WANT A DIFFERENT ALLOCATION.
SO WHICH FRUSTRATES US IS WHEN ARE YOU GONNA TELL US IF WE HAVE COME TO ON THE 29TH.
SO I THINK I'M LOOKING AT THEM VERY FRUSTRATED ABOUT KNOWING HOW TO GUIDE YOU ALL AND UM, I LOOK TONIGHT ON THEIR AGENDA, THEY HAVE 50 SPEAKERS AND A FORWARD DALLAS PRESENTATION.
SO GUESS WHAT? WE'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING.
I DON'T THINK OUT OF 'EM FROM THAT ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DECIDE.
SO MY ONLY THOUGHT NOW IS THAT IT'S GONNA COME ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE 29TH THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING FROM US, WHATEVER WE DECIDE AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SORT IT OUT ON THE BACKSIDE.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE HERE.
AM I, AM I BEING FAIR ABOUT THAT SORT OF, THAT'S WHY VIEW
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YES.SO I THINK STOLE SOME END OF THE PRESENTATION.
SORRY, WE'LL GO THROUGH, BUT I DON'T KNOW YOU, WE CAN HAVE, ESPECIALLY YOU GOT HIGH INTENTION WAS TO PREPARE THE SCENARIOS I TALKED ABOUT TO 1 50, 100 AND I CAN DO THE
UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT, YOU WANT ACTUALLY POST, POST IT
MAYBE A DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE AT SOME POINT WE WILL BE HAVING TO MAKE DECISION AGAIN IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC WHERE UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PROJECT YOU BELIEVE IT'S HARD APPROACH NEED TO LET US NOTICE THEM NOW BECAUSE UM, ANY OF THAT SW SWAP OUT NEEDS TO OCCUR.
NOW WE CAN ALSO HELP IF IT'S A UH, MAYBE WAY TO JUSTIFY SOME OF THOSE OTHER FACTORS WE SO, BUT WE REALLY GOTTA WITH COMMUNICATION.
SO THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU WANNA SEE AND NOW I'M WILLING YOU TO KNOW THE NEXT WEEK YOU SLIDE 0.5.
YEAH SO LET'S UH, YOU WANNA GO BACK TO SUCH ONE FIVE? DID WE COVER THAT YET OR DID I JUST LEAVE IT? THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU WENT.
SORRY, LET'S GO TO 25 BECAUSE I THINK THESE MAY BE THE ISSUES WE HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH AND WE START TO BRING THE NUMBER DOWN.
YEAH, SO I MEAN DO WE WANT TO LOOK AT GOING THROUGH JUST REDUCING BY THE MOST CONTEXT TO GET TO THE, OF THE AMOUNT WE WANNA DO SOMETHING THERE? IS IT A PRIORITY FOR US TO RETAIN OUR CITYWIDE AND MULTIPLE DISTRICT PROJECTS? OKAY.
WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY FOR OKAY.
I KNOW FOR MANY ACCOUNTS THE DISTRICT IT'S A PRIORITY AND OTHERS IT'S IT'S NOT BUT WE DON'T HAVE LUNCH.
UM, SO YOU KNOW, 20% DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT BUT YOU SAW THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
SO I MEAN THAT COULD BE A DECISION WE CAN LOOK AT AS WELL.
UM, WE COULD EVEN LOOK AT IT ON A DISTRICT BASIS.
THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WANT GO.
UM, UH, WHEREAS MAYBE ONE DISTRICT WANTS TO FOCUS ON EROSION CONTROL, LIKE I KNOW THREE AND SEVEN SOME OTHERS HAVE AS A PRIORITY.
UH, BUT OTHERS IT MAY BE LESS A PRIORITY.
UH, DO WE WANT, DO WE WANT TO TRY TO KEEP TO THAT CLOSE TO THE RATIO NEEDS TO THE DISTRICTS? UM, AND I'LL TELL YOU, I HAVEN'T RUN THE NUMBERS YET.
I'M GUESSING ONE 50 NUMBERS HERE ARE NOT GONNA FALL AS CLOSELY INTO EVEN A SPLIT.
I MEAN IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT GONNA GET AS GOOD AS AS IT WAS YEAR.
UM, WE WANT TO JUST KIND OF SAY, HEY WE'RE NOT GONNA GET AS MUCH MONEY.
LET'S TAKE OUT THESE LARGER PROJECTS AND GET AS MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS AS WE CAN IN THE
UM, AS WE GO THROUGH UH, SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS, I WAS KIND OF LYING WITH THE ALTERNATE SCENARIO LIKE HEY WAS IT ALREADY IN SEEN CAPITAL? PLENTY.
YEAH, AS FAR OUT, BUT AT LEAST IT WAS ALREADY PLANNED.
SO MAY MAYBE WE START WHEN WE HAVE THINGS TO CUT WE NEED TO GO FIRST.
UM, SO THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT POP INTO MY HEAD AND WHICH I WANTED TO KIND OF GET YOU BRAIN THINGS.
MY THOUGHT ONE THING IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CUTTING THINGS.
I THINK, UH, OPTIC OPTICALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE PROJECTS REMOVED OR VERSUS PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE DOING ENGINEERING PLANS IN A FIRST PHASE.
I LIKE, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WE'RE DEALING WITH SMALLER AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO HAVE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE VISUAL IN THE CITY TAKING PLACE.
IF THAT'S EROSION, IF THAT'S WHATEVER YOU SEE WIDE PROJECTS.
UH, I I THINK THAT UH, PERSONALLY I'D LIKE TO SEE PRODUCTS DISTRICT COME, WHETHER IT'S CITIZENS OR CITY COUNCIL, WHATEVER.
OH I ALSO WANNA MENTION, YOU KNOW THERE IS A CITYWIDE POLL.
IT'S LIKE WE NEEDED ONE MORE, WE NEEDED MORE PEOPLE WAITING.
YEAH, YOU CAN ACTUALLY VOTE TWICE.
FIFTH, IT'S ON THE BOTTOM THERE.
IS IT MORE? WE HAVE FIVE SUB, RIGHT? SO WHY IS THERE'S LIKE WHAT 10 LINES ON THE, I'M LIKE WHERE DOES THAT MONEY, WHAT SUBCOMMITTEE SHOULD FALL UNDER THAT? CONFUS A LOT OF FACILITIES, RIGHT? SO DEPENDING ON
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CITY FACILITIES PROPOSITION, THEY CAN FIND THEM.SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PERMITTED WITH DIFFERENT LINES BASED ON PRIOR BOND PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA FOCUS SO WE PUBLIC SAFETY, OKAY, IT HAS A STANDALONE, IT'S NOT FAIR.
AND I SAID THAT BECAUSE LIKE IF YOU HAD A CRITICAL FACILITIES LINE ITEM THAT WOULD LOOK A CERTAIN WAY LIKE A FLOOD ITEM, BUT INSTEAD THEY NEED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LIBRARIES, WELL THAT'S NICE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY NOT FAIR.
SO I WASN'T, YOU KNOW, POLICE FACILITIES.
WELL THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADVANTAGE INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE TITLE IS AND JUST HAVING IT BE LINED THAT WAY.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MANY MORE LINES.
UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THAT BUT I WOULD THINK THEY DIDN'T LIKE MY INPUT I DON'T THINK.
BUT UM, I, I THINK IT IS TO, WHAT WERE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT BEFORE THIS? OH, MOVING DIRT, RIGHT? WE WANTED TO MOVE DIRT.
AND WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT'S THE RATIO OF CANADIAN DISTRICT? GO AHEAD.
20 I THINK IS AS THE FUNDING GETS CUT, UH, I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THESE BONDS, THEY ONLY COME UP ONCE EVERY FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.
AND UH, THE REASON FOR US DOING THESE LARGE BONDS SO WE CAN HAVE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN'T FUND ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF I'D BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING SMALL PROJECTS IN IF WE HAD TO MAKE CUTS.
I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO SETTLE ON LIKE ONE OR TWO LARGE PROJECTS BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOMETHING LIKE THE MILL CREEK EXPANSION IS JUST NEVER GONNA MAKE IT INTO THE ANNUAL BUDGET.
BUT LIKE A COUPLE OF EROSION CONTROL PROJECTS, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN FIGHT FOR THOSE EVERY YEAR.
BUT YOU KNOW YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE $300 MILLION FOR MILL THREE IN THE 2025 BUDGET.
BUT LIKE THAT COULD BE IN THE BOND PROJECT.
SO I WOULD BE ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF THE LARGER COST AND BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THERE'S GONNA BE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY ALLOCATED FOR THOSE SORTS OF PROJECTS.
I I'LL SAY WITH ONE CAVEAT FOR THE LARGER PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT LARGER PROJECTS OR THE LARGER SCOPE.
MM-HMM
THAT'S MY FEAR ON EACH SIDE OF IT, YOU KNOW? AND THAT'S TRUE.
WE COULD ELECT IF WE HAD AS A THEORY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE JUST NEED TO GO WITH BIG STUFF, CAN WE THROW, IF WE THROW OUT EROSION CONTROL AND THEN PUT IN ANOTHER BIG PROJECT, DOES THAT HELP US EVEN AT OUT A LITTLE BIT ON THE BIG STEP? YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE THEY'RE ANOTHER BIG PROJECT.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT I DON'T THINK, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE LOW FUNDING SCENARIOS IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO FIND ANOTHER PROJECT WE COULD DO.
SO THE REALITY OF CAN WE HELP EVERY DISTRICT IS PROBABLY NOT PRACTICAL.
IF WE'RE, IF I'M HAVING TO GO BELOW 55, YOU IMAGINE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
WE GOT A QUESTION FOR THE WATER GUYS IN THIS DEPARTMENT.
SEE DOES THE CITY HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION? DO THEY, ARE YOU REQUIRED TO ENGINEER ONSITE DETENTION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR WATER? AND HOW DOES THAT PLAY INTO THESE PROJECTS? SO I DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COMMERCIAL.
SO NOT INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTIAL.
WE'RE TALKING LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS.
THE ONSITE INTENTION RETENTION, THEY CANNOT INCREASE THE DRAIN OFFSITE FALL THEN THAT'S UPSIZE PIPE.
SO IN THE STORM WATER THERE'S NO COST FOR PARTICIPATION.
IT'S ALL ON THE, SO THAT'S WHY TENTION KIND OF RETAIN BECAUSE THAT'S AN EASIER STRATEGY FOR THEM.
THE SITES THAT DON'T PUT A LOT OF SPACE THEY'RE HAVING.
SO DO WE KNOW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD AFFECT SOME OF THESE PROJECTS IN A WAY THAT IF THEY GO FORWARD, MAYBE THE PROJECT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ON THE NEEDS LIST 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GET PICKED UP.
SO AS THEY, AS THEY DO PERMIT THEN WE DO LOOK AT THAT BUT WE DEVELOP, SO EVERY DAY WE MIGHT MEET WITH FOR DEVELOPERS WE MAY NOT SEE THEM AGAIN FOR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS ON THAT
SO FOR THEM PURPOSE WE JUST KEEP MOVING FORWARD AND THEN WE'LL PULL IT, SWAP IT, WE'LL GET A COUNSELOR SWAP THAT POINT IF IT'S ALREADY, I KIND OF LIKE ASPECTS OF BOND UM,
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IS I GUESS THISAND FOR ME, LIKE I JUST SEE LIKE LOT LIKE CLIMATE CHANGE OR WHATEVER, HEAR ABOUT ALL THE F*****G ON GUESS LAST MONTH AND I GUESS HE
I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO BE IN THAT SITUATION AND SO ARE NEEDS INVENTORY BECAUSE WE SCORE, HE SAYS THE HIGHEST SCORING PROJECTS, I MEAN THOSE ARE THERE FOR A REASON BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY'RE THE MOST SERIOUS CONSEQUENTIAL NEEDS.
SO I UNDERSTAND IF WE WERE TO JUST GO AND STAY WITH THE MATHEMATICAL APPROACH, YOU KNOW THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO THOSE BIG PROJECTS ABOVE ALL OTHERS.
WE, WE SPOILED OURSELVES A LITTLE BIT WITH THE 200 BILLION BECAUSE IT GAVE US THE LUXURY TO DO BOTH BIG THINGS AND THEN TO ALSO BE VERY PRACTICALLY MINDED.
'CAUSE WE KNEW EVERY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE SOMETHING AND THAT WAS REALLY GONNA HELP, YOU KNOW, THINGS DOWN THE ROAD.
BUT I WORRY A LITTLE BIT MAYBE, MAYBE WE, YOU KNOW, GOT IN FRONT OF OURSELVES BECAUSE IT'S TO THAT SORT OF PROPOSAL.
LIKE WE HAVE, WE NEED $200 MILLION, DO IT, MAKE IT WORK AND WE OBVIOUSLY AREN'T PROBABLY GONNA GET UP TO EVEN HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO REALLY PIVOT OFF THAT APPROACH AND TRY TO DECIDE WHAT IS IT THAT'S THE MOST MEANINGFUL BECAUSE WHAT WE SAY WON'T END UP PERHAPS BEING THE CASE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT COUNSEL WILL STICK WITH WHATEVER WE SAY.
THIS IS JUST CURIOSITY ON MY PART.
HOW DID THE ARTS AND CULTURAL, WHAT'S IN THERE THAT IT GOT PRODUCED? WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? I HAVE NO IDEA.
I CAN'T KEEP, I DID NOT KEEP UP WITH ARTS AND CULTURE.
I WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY DISMAYED WHEN I SAW 'EM COME AND I WAS JUST MADE WHEN I SAW THAT NUMBER.
UM, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A BAD FEELING IN THEIR
WELL I KNOW WHO IT'S TOO BUT YOU KNOW, THEY CAME, THEY SAID WE GOT RIPPED OFF THE LAST THREE TIMES AND HERE WE ARE.
THE LAST TIME WE SETTLED THIS COMMITTEE, UM, AND THEY HAD THE SAME DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY
UM, AND THEY DECIDED TO GO WITH BIG.
AND THAT DIDN'T WORK TOO WELL.
BUT
AND WHEN IT HAPPENED TO THE CITY MANAGER, HE SENT IT BACK.
HE SAID, NO WAY WILL YOU DO THIS AND NOT DO SOMETHING FOR THE RESIDENTS.
THAT'S WHY I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE A VERY QUICK SIDE AS YOU CAN TELL.
AND I TOOK THE CITY MANAGER SIDE OF THAT JULY 31ST MEETING AND I SAID, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO LEAD FOLKS.
I SAID, YOU ARE A BIG PART OF THIS PROCESS AND AND I NEED YOU TO STEP UP.
IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY WE'RE THE MANAGER AND THIS IS OUR ALLOCATION, THEN LET'S JUST GET THERE AND LET, AND THEN TASK FORCE YOU NEED TO GIVE 'EM SOME CREDIBILITY AND WE'LL START WITH THAT AND MOVE SOMEBODY TO LIFE.
SO WE HAVE DECISIONS BUT I I FEEL LIKE YEAH EVERYBODY'S LAYING BEHIND AND WAITING AND THEN SO WE'RE AS IN THE TIGHT SPOT BUT RIGHT.
I THINK LAST TIME IT GOT BLOWN BIT.
SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY MAYBE WE DECIDE AND WE WANT TO SEND SOMETHING UP TO THE TASK FORCE THAT WE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU, WE'RE GONNA FORGET THE NUMBER.
WE'RE GONNA TELL YOU THESE ARE OUR TOP THREE OR FOUR LARGE PROJECTS AND THESE ARE HOW WE DID IT BY DISTRICT AND JUST STAY WITH OUR FORMAT AND WHATEVER THAT NUMBER ENDS UP BEING, IT'S REALLY IMMATERIAL.
'CAUSE REALLY THIS IS JUST, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THE TABLE OR IN THE BALLPARK AS I MENTIONED.
THIS IS THE STATE OF PLAY WITH ALL THIS STUFF.
HOW DO YOU WANT IT TO LOOK WITH SOMEBODY AT SOME POINT NEEDS TO START STEP UP, HAD THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH THE BOND OFFICE AT LINCOLN.
IF THEY DON'T WORK, FRANKLY TASK FORCE YOU NEED TO COME UP WITH WHAT Y'ALL WANT DO IS THAT WE WORK FOR, WE WORK FOR TASK FORCE IN MY MIND.
SO I LIKE TO SEE THE TASK FORCE TEAM MORE ACTIVE ON THAT.
EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE GIVING US A BUDGET FOR SAY A BUDGET OR WHAT WE CAN WORK WITH.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TRUE PICTURE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IS BEST FOR US AND GIVE THEM WHAT WE WANT AND LET THEM SEE THE SCENARIO OF WHAT WAS PUT TOGETHER.
NOW WE MAY NOT GET ALL THE MONEY MONEY, BUT WE MAY GET MORE THAN WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GIVE US NOW.
I KNOW BECAUSE TO GET TO WHAT WE NEED TO NOW UNDER 55 TO GO LOWER AND HIGHER, IT'S A VERY UGLY NUMBER AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF STUFF IN IT THAT I THINK WE WOULD STILL WANNA SAY.
THIS STUFF IS ON THE TABLE FOR YOU TO DECIDE ON.
SO IT'S NOT VERY GRITTY TO DO IT BASED ON THE 55, NO MATTER 20 YOU CUT IT, IT SO THE PATH HAS DECIDED THAT MAYBE WE GO A HUNDRED, 1 50, 200
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OR I THINK ALTERNATIVE WE MIGHT PIVOT TO BECAUSE MY WHOLE ISSUE IS WHAT DO I TELL YOU ON THE 29TH THAT STILL KEEPS THE STATE OF PLAY ACTIVE ENOUGH, UM, UNTIL WE GET MORE GUIDANCE.SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE COST ESTIMATES ON THE PROJECTS AND BROAD BUTTER SUBCOMMITTEE? UM, 'CAUSE I FEEL LIKE ROAD AND STORM AND FLOOD PROTECTION ARE LIKE WAY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN JUST LIKE MY GENERAL THINKING.
AM I WRONG ON THAT? LIKE I FEEL LIKE FIXING UP A A LEASE STATION IS PROBABLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN TEARING UP A ROAD OR BURYING A BIKE.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, 55 MILLION GETS STORM NOTHING, RIGHT?
I, I DON'T KNOW, YOU GUYS KNOW THE NUMBERS ON OTHER LIKE WHAT ARE LIKE THE BIG BUDGET ITEMS ON OTHER
SO WE HAD SOME IDEA WHAT EACH OTHER DOING, BUT WE HAD NONE.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT STREETS TO COME UP WITH NO IDEA WHAT PARKS HAS COME UP WITH.
UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS STUFF IS OVERLAPPING AND YOU MIGHT GET MORE IF YOU COLLABORATE TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO YOU DOING THIS LITTLE PIECE HERE AND THEY DO THIS PIECE HERE IT IS.
AND THEN I'M GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM PEOPLE ON OTHER COMMITTEES.
AND I JUST LIST BECAUSE I HAVE ENOUGH, OH MY GOD, THIS
I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE AT THE JULY 31ST MEETING, IT'S ONE OF THE RARE TIMES THAT ALL FIVE OF US WERE TOGETHER AND WE COMMISERATING A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, I DON'T THINK SOME OF THE SUBCOMMITTEES ARE AS FAR ALONG AS WE ARE.
UM, SO THEY'RE, IT'S NOT SUPER CLEAR WHAT THEY'RE DOING YET.
LIKE I SAID, SOME HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EQUITY ISSUE BUT DEBATE PUT THEIR OWN EQUITY LAYER AND WELL THAT'S A BIG, THAT'S A BIG HUGE QUESTION MARK
WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO IT? WHY ARE WE GONNA DO IT AND HOW ARE WE GONNA DO IT? YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS TO ME THAT I NEEDED TO HAVE BEEN SOLVED AND WE, THEY MAY FIND OUT WHEN THEY GET THESE PROPOSALS THAT EVERYBODY, THEY DID FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS AND THEY'VE GOTTA NOW FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT COHESIVE AND LINE IT ALL UP.
BUT BEST I GOT RIGHT NOW WE'RE GONNA BE ON THE 22ND.
SO WHAT'S OUR OBJECTIVE TONIGHT FOR YOU? SO I GUESS THIS IS GREAT.
I WAS HEARING THINK ABOUT
SO THAT KIND OF HELPS ME A LITTLE BIT UNDER AND WE'LL LAY IT BACK TO SOME OF THE SCENARIO.
SO I GUESS WE CAN, WE CAN KIND OF FORWARD UP THESE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES.
JUST, JUST THE ONE THING I'VE HEARD THAT I WANTED, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S DR.
SO I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO HOW WORKS PROBABLY A MONTH OR TWO AGO AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THEIR NEEDS INVENTORY COMPLETE YET, BUT I TOLD 'EM WE REALLY NEED TO COLLABORATE AND OVERLAY PROJECTS AS SARAH MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF MONEY AND SO WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE ON THAT MONEY AND, AND TRY TO GET OUR PROJECTS AS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR IN WHAT THEY DECIDE GOES.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS ON, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
ALRIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW UP ON, I MENTIONED EARLIER
UM, BASICALLY WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA CUT IT OFF.
SO THERE'S A FEW THAT ARE ENDING EVALUATION PROCESS, UH, THAT HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY STORED OR UH, THEY WERE STORED AFTER WE STARTED PUTTING THIS UH, SPREADSHEET TOGETHER.
SO WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEXT ONE IT'LL BE, WE'RE NOT MAD ANYMORE BUT MAYBE WE COME BACK
SO I NEED, WE NEED TO GET THOSE EVALUATED AND CONSIDERED.
UM, FOR THE NEXT ONE, UH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE, MAKE SOME REVISIONS FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR THOUGHT CONSIDERATION IS KIND OF LIKE OUR, HOPEFULLY WE COME TO CONSENSUS BASICALLY BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO PRESENT 29TH.
SO, UM, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE ADVICE PRODUCT MAKING SCENARIOS, BUT 200 MILLION IS BASICALLY JUST NEVER BE FROM NEEDS SOURCE.
SO NEW THINGS CAME IN OR YOU GIVE ANY FEEDBACK, LIKE I SAY, HEY I'M REALLY HAVING BURDEN ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
THIS IS ONE I'VE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE AND COUNCIL WORK,
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YOU KNOW, WE'LL WORK ON FIGURING THAT OUT.UM, AND THEN ANYTHING I'VE GOT IN NEW, WHAT YOU HAVEN'T SEEN AND 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T FULLY VETTED OUT, I KIND OF HAVE TO
KNOW WE COME BACK WITH 1 50, 100 AND YOU KNOW, TWO DIFFERENT ONES FOR EACH OF THOSE.
UM, BASED ON UH, WHAT I PRESENTED THE LITTLE TWEAK BIT BEFORE WHAT I HEARD.
I'LL KIND OF TELL YOU HOW WE SET THOSE UP AND THEN I'LL SHOW YOU THEN.
UH, SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
TAKEAWAY NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA PRESENT
I PULLED THIS FROM THE, THAT'S NOT OUR SLIDE, THAT'S THEIR SIDE.
I PULLED IT FROM PRESENTATION FROM OUR ACCOUNTS, UH, THE
UM, AND MY TAKEAWAY FROM THIS WOULD ME MORE IS THAT 30 A 30% METRIC OR GOAL IN CERTAIN EQUITY AREAS IS GOING TO BE UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION TESTED AGAINST THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AT LEAST GETTING THAT.
I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY JUST MY GUT WITHOUT HAVING TO MANAGE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE NO PROBLEM AND WE GREATLY EXCEED THAT BASED ON WAY WE LOOK AT THINGS.
UM, BUT LIKE NITA SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY BROKE IT UP INTO FIVE EXIT AREAS.
WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS OKAY, THE 30 PROBABLY IS STRONG THREE AREA FOUR AND FIVE, WHICH ARE THE TWO
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TIME, TUNE IN, THEY RECORD ALL THE MEETINGS, YOU GO BACK AND WATCH 'EM.
UH, ANYTHING, ANY FEEDBACK OUT HERE, MAKE SURE TRY TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
NEXT MEETING YOU CAN SEE, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE WHEN YOU READ THIS SLIDE, THIS NOTICE IS NEVER OURS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, IT ALL IS NOT BASED ON FEEDBACK RECEIVED IT, WHATEVER THAT C D T F S FOR THE MEETING IS.
THEY DIDN'T ASK US FOR ANY FEEDBACK EITHER AT THE JULY 31ST MEETING COVER AND IF IT, IF IT STRIKES YOU READING ESPECIALLY THOSE LAST FOUR BULLET POINTS THAT THAT WE ARE WAY LATE FOR THIS STUFF TO BE HAPPENING.
IN MY OPINION, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE A LONG TIME AGO.
I DON'T LIKE SEEING THE OFFICE OF EQUITY LEADING EFFORT TO IDENTIFY PROJECTS WHERE, WHY ISN'T THAT BEING DONE RIGHT NOW? WHY AREN'T WE BEING TOLD THAT? BECAUSE IF THERE'S A WAY THEY WANT US TO STICK PROJECTS, WE'RE THE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE DOING IT.
NOT NOT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO UP HIGHER ON THE ING THEN WHY WERE WE HERE? THERE ARE, THIS SLIDE CAME, THIS WAS A LIFT OFF THE COUNCIL'S PRESENT THE BOND OFFICE'S PRESENTATION COUNCIL BUT IT'S NOT CLOSE ANYWHERE.
IT'S IN THE PRESENT, IT'S IN THEIR PRESENTATION THAT WE'LL SEND OUT TO YOU.
SO YOU CAN, WE'RE GONNA SEND IT TO YOU AFTER MEETING PRESENTATION, BUT IT IS ALSO AND THEN IT SAYS YOU KNOW, THE BOND BCMS AND SO BOND BOND OFFICE NEEDS TO WORK WITH THE C B T F AND SUBCOMMITTEE TO ADJUST FOR POST PROGRAMS BASED ON EQUITY INVESTMENT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE DON'T EVEN HAVE.
I DUNNO WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, BUT THAT'S INTERESTING STUFF TELLING A COUNCIL WOULD LEARN A WEEK OUT FROM HAVING TO FINALIZE STUFF.
SO ON THE FIRST DRAFT, UM, YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER THAT YOU GOT IS PUT LIKE FIFTH 5 MILLION BUT YOU DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY SORT OF, YOU HAVEN'T LIKE FIGURED OUT LIKE WHERE'S THAT NUMBER COMING FROM? WHAT'S THE IDEA BEHIND IT? I THINK THE LAST TIME, YEAH, SO LIKE THAT JUST TELLS ME LIKE NO ONE IN CITY HALL AND LIKE IN CITY STAFF WANTS TO LIKE TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THESE VALUES.
SO WHY DON'T WE AS THE SUBCOMMITTEE LIKE USE THAT INDECISIVENESS TO LIKE OUR ADVANTAGE AND JUST LIKE PROPOSE WHATEVER WE WANT.
I THINK THE 29TH THEY'RE GONNA GET WHAT THEY GET FROM US BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE SAID SO FAR.
SO I HAVE NO COMPUNCTION IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SAY TONIGHT TO GIVE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF, WE, WE COME IN AT 200 MILLION.
YEAH, WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THE 200 THING.
WELL I FEEL TOO LIKE Y'ALL DONE SUCH GOOD JOB AT EDUCATING AND TEACHING US.
I FELT LIKE I COULD GO AND SPEAK ON IT AT WHATEVER COMMUNITY MEETING OR LIKE I'VE BEEN LEARNING ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS.
THESE ARE THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND THIS IS WHY.
SO WANTING TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHAT YOU GOT 200 WAS ALL ABOUT SAYING THIS IS PROBABLY THE SWEET SPOT, UNREALISTIC SWEET SPOT.
WE'RE GONNA SHOW YOU WHAT YOU GET FOR THAT, RIGHT? IF THAT'S THE TIME WE WANT TAKE, THEN WHAT I WOULD MAYBE RECOMMEND TO YOU IS TO GIVE US SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLES THAT WE STICK TO THE PRESENTATION SO THAT IT SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO.
BUT AS YOU START MAKING CUTS, WE WANT YOU TO PRIORITIZE DIRT MOVING, WE WANT YOU TO PRIORITIZE,
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AND GIVE SOME GUIDANCE THERE SO THAT EACH TIME THEY TURN AROUND YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO GO WITH.THE OTHER THING THAT DOES AS PART OF OUR CAPITAL PLAN IS
LAST TAKES A LONG TIME TO COME TO FRUITION, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU GOTTA GET OUT THIS GAME, NEVER GONNA GET CAUGHT UP, RIGHT? GIVE SOME OF THOSE GUIDING PRINCIPLES AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND YOU WANNA DRAW A LINE IN THE STAND AND THAT HELPS SORT OF SAY, WELL THIS IS WHY WE'RE GONNA SCALE BACK IN MY EXPERIENCE WE'RE GONNA SCALE BACK THE GRADE BEFORE WE GO TOUCH THIS.
WELL SARAH SHOULD PRINCIPLE, I UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE THERE WAS TALK AT THE, AT THE JULY 31ST MEETING ABOUT, FRANKLY WE ASKED BECAUSE WE WERE JUST TO PRESENT IT FOR 22ND, BUT WHAT DO YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE IN THIS PROPOSAL? COULD YOU TELL US HOW TO, HOW TO STRUCTURE THIS? AND ONE THING THAT I THINK THEY WERE REALLY TRYING TO SAY WAS WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR PRINCIPLES WERE WHEN YOU MAKE A PRESENTATION.
WELL WE HAVE FRONTEND PRINCIPLES WHICH WHAT SOME OF WHO REVIEWED TONIGHT, THIS IS HOW WE GOT 2 MILLION IS WE DID THIS WAS WHAT GUIDED OUR PATH TO 200 MILLION.
TO ME THAT'S OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLE UP TO THAT POINT.
NOW I'M NOT SURE IF I WANT TO TELL 'EM MY GUIDING PRINCIPLE AFTER THAT BECAUSE I THINK I NEED, YOU COULD TELL ME WHERE I'M GOING BECAUSE IF I'M GOING TO 55 MY PRINCIPAL'S GOING A LOT DIFFERENT THAN IF I'M GOING TO A MAYBE IT'S NOT FAIR TO HAVE TO SAY THAT YOU GOT THERE AND I KNOW IT'S NOT FAIR.
YEAH, WELL I MEAN THIS IS DEFINITELY THE COMMITTEE REPRESENTATIVE NEIGHBORHOODS REALLY FELT THERE WAS A WHOLE LOT OF VALUE X WHEN YOU START MAKING THOSE DECISION POINTS, THIS IS WHERE WE GOT THERE.
WE WANT ON THE 80 20, WE WANT THESE STATES.
SO NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO TRY TO EARN THAT AT 40 MILLION.
YOU CAN'T EVEN THAT, RIGHT? BUT WE JUST SIT THERE TONIGHT AND TRY TO SPIN UP A BUNCH OF PRINCIPAL TO GET TO 40.
WELL I THINK YOU POINT YOU'RE ALL BEHIND THE SAME AND SAY WE'RE GONNA GIVE 10 MILLION GIVING US THE DIRECTION.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA STILL BE CUT.
BUT DO THAT THEN AT LEAST GIVE US SOMETHING.
TURN AROUND AND SAY THEY'VE GOTTA CUT DOWN.
GIVE US THINGS LIKE YOU WERE GIVEN THAT EARLIER TO GET TO THAT.
MAYBE THEY SHOULD GIVE US THAT AFTER THE 29.
I TEND TO THINK RATHER THAN CUT FOR AHEAD OF TIME, MAYBE WE JUST SAY THIS IS WHAT WE DID BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, WE ASKED THIS SCOTT KNOWS, WE ASKED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA SEND YOU.
AND TO EACH POINT, IF YOU HAVE THE MINDSET TO BE BIG PROJECTS, WELL AND 40, 40 MILLION THAT'S GONE AND WE'RE BACK TO TURNING DIRT, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GONNA FALL AND I'M HESITANT TO PUT YOU ALL TO A SERIES OF VOTES ON PRINCIPLES TO GET TO A NUMBER YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW AGAIN.
OR HAVE AT LEAST SOME IDEA NO'S GONNA KNOW.
SO WE'RE ALL THE WAY DONE BUT AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAYS A HUNDRED, GIVE US A HUNDRED OR WHATEVER.
AND THEY SHOULD PROBABLY TELL US, I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT AFTER THE 29TH MAYBE WE'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA HOLD ONTO THIS FOR, I'M HOPEFUL YOU WOULD GET THAT YOU DECIDED TO HOLD AND TELL US, BUT 200 LINE THEN GIVE MATT SOMETHING TO STAND.
I LIKE THE IDEA TOO OF YOU DRAW THAT LINE AND THEY GET SOME RECORD LIKE THEIR MEETING.
SO MOVING FORWARD WHEN THE NEXT GROUP IS SITTING HERE IN THE NEXT BOND SUBCOMMITTEE THAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DIDN'T SHOW UP.
BE LIKE, OKAY, YEAH 50 MILLION WORKS FOR US.
'CAUSE THE YEAH, WELL YEAH, 200 BILLION.
LIKE IF THEY'RE REALLY SOFT AND FUZZY ON THESE NUMBERS THEY'RE GIVING YOU THEN LIKE WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY A NUMBER AND THEN LET THEM TELL US NO.
LIKE, UM, I MEAN I'M PROBABLY ALL THE OTHER COMMITTEES MIGHT BE SAYING SOME OF THE SAME THINGS BUT
WE JUST MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT, THIS IS WHAT WE RECOMMEND.
IF THEY COME BACK THEY'RE LIKE, WELL YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET 200 MILLION, YOU'RE GONNA GET 120 BUT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA GET 80, YOU'RE GONNA GET ONE 50.
BUT LIKE IF WE DON'T SAY THE FIRST NUMBER FIRST, THEN LIKE WE'RE JUST LIKE MISSING OUT ON POTENTIAL.
SO THE FIVE OF US ARE NOT TALKING, SO I'M LIKE, WELL ALL Y'ALL GONNA MAKE TOO MUCH TOO HIGH THEN I, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF I'M THE ONE THERE WHO BE FIVE, WE'RE GONNA LIKE A LITTLE SILLY.
YEAH, SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT'S LIKE GETTING A DEPARTMENT RUN YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU HOW MUCH BUDGET.
SO I MEAN THAT'S HOW I FEEL A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW AND, AND I'M NOT GONNA TELL THE OTHER FIVE DEPARTMENTS FOUR HOW MUCH THEIR BUDGET ARE EITHER.
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THAT'S WHAT SHE'S SAYING.THAT'S SO MUCH YOU CAN'T, DOWNTOWN CONSTRUCTION CHANGES WE GO TO THAT LEVEL.
BUT DID THE, DID THE STORE GET LIKE 300 MILLION AND THE 2012 ON? LIKE DID, DID THEY GET A BUNCH? WE HAVE THE MILL CREEK AND ABEL PHONE STATION.
BASICALLY WE HAD A COUPLE OF THOSE TWO OR THREE.
SO WE HAVE TWO OR THREE BOND PROGRAMS THAT COUNCILING GIVEN FOR THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LARGE PROJECTS THAT IMPACT THE LARGEST NUMBER PEOPLE SMALL WITH PROJECTS RESONATING WITH ISSUES.
AND SO EACH BOND PROGRAM HAD A PUMP STATION PORTION OF MILL CREEK PUMP STATION, MILL CREEK.
SO WE SPENT SOME TIME BUILDING IT STUFF 17 WAS A DIRECTION CHANGE AND IT GOT CHANGED AFTER THE COMMITTEE HAD COME IN WITH A PUMP STATION, A BUILDING AND A SERIES OF A ROAD CONTROL
SO THE STRATEGY CHANGES AND QUITE FRANKLY WE HADN'T EVER BACK IT, WE WERE GIVEN AND CHANGE, RIGHT? SO I, WHATEVER YOU GIVE US, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT HELPS US GET THROUGH THE BACK, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT IS GONNA CHANGE SOMEWHAT.
LIKE WE KNOW Y'ALL'S LINE OR THESE THINGS MAX, HE'S GOT 40 MILLION BUT 40 MILLION IN ROAD AND OFF WE GO.
THAT LITTLE PAN OVER CRINGING.
BUT YOU WANNA TELL THAT HOW A HUNDRED MILLION? LET'S TRY, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO ONE THING RUN INTO ALTERNATIVE SCENARIO 150, 120 800 BILLION IS A LOT OF WORK ON YEAH, A LOT WORK.
SO YOU KNOW, KIND OF YOU'RE LIKE THIS PROBABLY OKAY TO DO THAT, THE BACKUP PLAN.
AND SO WHAT SCENARIO YOU WANT IN THE MIDDLE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT UNCOMFORTABLE PREVENTING 200 AS THIS OVER THE BALLPARK.
YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO NOT UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING, I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO KNOW WHAT BALLPARK WAS, HOW THE BALLPARK BUILT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN HERE THE SCENARIO OR TWO BEYOND THAT CONSIDER AND JUST WANNA PLAY WITH IT.
BUT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF SHAPING THE, UH, THE OTHER QUESTION, THE TRINITY RIVER CHANNEL PROJECTS, UM, SNOW'S NECESSARY MOVE THE REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS, IT'S THIS IS POTENTIAL TO CUT IN SOME OF THESE SCENARIOS.
IS THAT, YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A CAP FAILURE BAIL, ASSUME IT'S BE DONE SOME OTHER WAY OR YEAH, YEAH, WE WOULD'VE TO, SO IT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR CAPTIVE PLAN, BUT IT'S ABOUT NINE, 10 YEARS OUT
UM, WE HAVE TO REPRIORITIZE SINCE IT DIDN'T MAKE IT HERE.
I MEAN THAT'S WHY YOU, IT IS NOT SO
THERE'S A PLAN TO LET QUICKLY OUT THEN WE'RE GONNA, THERE'S PORTIONS THAT A GUY GET DONE NOW ARE INSPECTED EVERY YEAR BECAUSE IT'S AN ANNUAL INSPECTION.
THE ANNUAL INSPECTION AND FIFTH YEAR IS 21 DAY INSPECTION WHERE THEY BRING IN ABOUT 40 DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND THEY GO CRAWL EVERY SINGLE THING.
UM, WE'RE WATCHING IT AND WE HAVE A GAME PLAN TO BUFFER IN BY TIME, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN BY 10 YEARS IT'LL BE A COUPLE YEARS TO DESIGN AND A COUPLE OF YEARS TO CONSTRUCT.
IT'S NOT EASY TO DO
IF YOU LOOK BACK JUST FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.
THE THING ABOUT THE VERY BEGINNING, THE TASK FORCE BOOKLET, LOOK AT IT UNTIL NOW JUST TO SEE LIKE WHAT DID THEY TELL US WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DOING? IT SAYS WE SHOULD ENGAGED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TASK FORCE, NOT JUST US ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE NEEDS OF EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE IDENTIFY PROJECTS FOR THE 2024 BOND PROGRAM? YES.
PROVIDE A SECOND TO ADVISE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL DEVELOPMENT BOND PROGRAM.
THAT'S, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT.
RECOMMEND WITH THE CITY MANAGER PROPOSED BOND PROGRAM.
YOU KNOW, SO IT, IT IS NOT REALLY FAIR WHAT IT IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO OR WHO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HELPING.
BUT I DO THINK IT'S ALL UNDER THE CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, THE BOND OFFICES.
SO THAT'S WHY I TRY TO TALK TO EACH OF 'EM AND SAY, COME ON OUT.
JUST COME ON OUT OF WOODS AND TELL US WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA RECOMMEND TO COUNCIL AND LET US GIVE EDUCATED
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FEEDBACK.I THINK AS FAR AS YOUR DIRECTION GOES, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR THE 100, 150 AT THE 150 LEVEL, YOU CAN KEEP THE TWO BIG PROJECTS IN AT THE 100 LEVEL THOSE
UM, WHAT DO YOU ALL FEEL, WE HAD ANOTHER MEETING ON THE 27TH SO WE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO COME BACK HERE AND TALK SOME MORE.
I'M NOT, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL GET COUNSEL, WE'LL GET TASK FORCE FEEDBACK.
SO WE'RE JUST GONNA COME TALK SOME MORE.
DO YOU WANT TO ATE ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED BASED ON THOSE SLIDES THAT YOU REALLY JUST SAW TONIGHT? IF YOU WANNA CONSIDER THAT FOR A WEEK, YOU CAN.
I THINK I HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL HAVE SEVEN DAYS, YOU KNOW, TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR THE TASK FORCE AND THERE WAS SOME ACTUAL DISCUSSION ABOUT SOME CONSISTENT SLIDES THE TASK FORCE WANTED, BUT THEY JUST STOPPED IT AND SAY WHAT THAT WAS YET.
SO THE STAFF'S GONNA HAVE SUPPORT TO DO ON HOW TO SEND THAT PROPOSAL.
SO SEVEN DAYS MIGHT BE A LITTLE TIGHT.
YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK THIS THIS COMING WEEK BETWEEN THE NEXT MEETING, PLEASE SHARE.
UH, WE TALKED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STRATEGIZE ANYWAY.
SO, UM, I WAS JUST THINKING THEY HAD MENTIONED VAGUELY, AND I THINK IT WAS IN THAT AGENDA FOR THE PRESIDENT FOR 7 31 MEETING WASN'T BACK COUNTY UNDER REDDIT.
IT DID SAY A HIGH MEETING LOW.
I'M NOT GONNA ASK BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA KNOW THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO BE PUSHED TO PROVIDE THAT.
BUT MAYBE WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE THE $200 MILLION SCENARIO ALL LINED UP, QUEUED UP, TELL 'EM EXACTLY WHY IT'S IMPORTANT AND THEN WE MAKE IT SOUND UGLY WHEN WE START CUTTING.
OKAY WELL THEN YOU CAN'T DO THESE, THESE PROJECTS WHAT YOU JUST TOLD YOU ARE SUPER IMPORTANT.
AND THAT'S HOW WE APPROACH IT.
BUT IF WE ASK TOO MANY QUESTIONS, I FEEL THEY'RE GONNA, HEY I'M GIVING YOU A FULL PROJECT LIST FOR EACH, ALL THREE SCENARIOS.
SO THAT MAY BE A STRATEGY, UM, SAYING IF WE DO THIS DISTRICT NINE AND SIX COMPLETELY OR YOU KNOW, HOUSE PERSON, I MEAN I THINK THAT THIS COMMITTEE ALSO FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT HAS THAT ADVANTAGE OF LIKE STORMING FLOOD PROTECTION.
IT'S LIKE THE DOWNSIDE RISK IS SO MUCH GREATER THAN LIKE NOT ADDING A NEW PARK.
LIKE OBVIOUSLY IF WE ALL WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK NICER BUT LIKE ADDING PARTS AND WE WANT OUR ARTS AND CULTURAL FACILITIES TO BE, YOU KNOW, MORE, I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER BETTER.
BUT LIKE WHEN YOU GET IN FRONT OF A CITY STAFF OR BE LIKE WELL YOU DON'T FUND THIS THAN LIKE A BUNCH OF HOMESTEAD FLOW AND YEAH IT'S LIKE OKAY SO YOU WANT THE NICE NEW PARK AND YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT LIKE PEOPLE'S HOMES DON'T FLOOD FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
LIKE I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD WANT THE NICE NEW PARK BUT LIKE THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE ACTUAL SILVER PROTECTING PROPERTY AND PEOPLE'S LAND.
SO INFRASTRUCTURE SEEMS LIKE YEAH TO THAT POINT.
I MEAN AT NIGHT I THINK ABOUT THAT ISSUE.
YOU KNOW WHAT EVEN, OKAY, SO I HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT EVEN WHEN WE'RE DONE AND GONE AND THE LIGHTS ARE SHUT, IT'S GONNA GET ALL MESSED UP.
SO WHAT MESSAGE DO WE WANT TO SEND? WHO DO WE WANT TO BE? I MEAN ARE WE THE PEOPLE THAT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I GET THAT EROSION CONTROL WILL GET OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SOME LITTLE BITTY TO PASS OUT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND SO WE'RE GONNA END UP DOING THE RIGHT THING AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GONNA BE, OUR CONSCIENCE IS CLEAR WHETHER THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH FOLKS YOU CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT BUT NOT ON OUR BACKS.
WE AREN'T GONNA BE THE MECHANISM TO DO THAT.
BUT YOU KNOW, THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE I GOT ONE NIGHT SAYING I'M WAY TOO LATE WAS I THINK THAT'S ALMOST OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO DECIDE WHAT WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT.
I'M HAPPY TO, I KNOW WE'RE LATE NOW.
I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THAT KIND OF CHAT WITH YOU ALL.
IF IS AS A COMMITTEE YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO IT IS JUST DO WHATEVER WE THINK IS RIGHT AND THEN, BUT BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK THAT'S PRACTICAL MATTER.
I'M WILLING TO SAY HERE'S A $200 MILLION BALLPARK PLAY WITH WHATEVER'S ON THIS IF YOU GOTTA PLAY.
BUT WHAT I THINK YOU SHOULD DO IS, IS IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO 200 MILLION, I WANT YOU TO DO THESE THINGS FIRST AND GO WITH A HARD, WITH A HARD COUNT ON THOSE BIG PROJECTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY SCORED HIGH.
AND THAT'S A SORT OF, IF THERE'S AN AESTHETIC
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TO THAT, IT'S NOT VERY A POLITICAL APPROACH, GIVE SOMETHING TO EVERYBODY.BUT IT DOES SAY, LOOK, PUT THE NEEDS THE CITY, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
HAD SAY 200 MILLION CITYWIDE PROJECTS RATIO YOU, FAIRNESS AND POSSIBLE.
I THINK WE'LL GET SOME FEEDBACK.
I'M WILLING TO GO WITH THAT TO BE HONEST RIGHT NOW US FOUR MONTHS.
GOOD COP, BAD COP I'LL A BAD COP.
SO DO YOU NEED TO KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE NEED TO TAKE YOU DOWN TO ONE 50 TO 100, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED IF WE DECIDE THAT I A FEW DAYS? LITTLE BIT.
DO YOU NEED TO KNOW BY NEXT WEEK? WELL, IN TERMS OF PRESENTING, YEAH, LIKE, YEAH.
I MEAN WE HAVE A LOT OF IT THERE, BUT I MEAN IF YOU, WE WANT TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH, YOU LET ME KNOW.
THINK THE APPROACH I'M HEARING IS REALLY SELL THE TWO, 200 AND HAVE IN OUR BACK POCKET IF THEY ASK A QUESTION, WELL WHAT IS, WELL YOU KNOW, FUNNY YOU ASKED, LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT YOU NOW DON'T GIVE AND THEN REALLY DON'T GO INTO DETAILS, JUST KIND OF LEAVE 'EM WITH THAT.
I MEAN THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT I'M HEARING IS HESITANT.
JUST PUT THE STAFF TO A LOT OF TROUBLE ON ALTERED SCENARIOS.
SOMEONE COULD COME TO ME AND SAY WE NEED 40, OH MY GOD, AFTER I GET OFF THE FLOOR, YOU KNOW, SO I, I JUST, I THINK MAYBE, WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK I'M WILLING TO TAKE POLL OR ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COMMENT QUESTION DIS ADVANTAGEOUS THING FOR A CD COUNCIL VOTE AGAINST, IS IT IN EROSION CONTROL IF IT THIS EROSION PROXY, EVERYTHING
WELL, I, I FEEL A LITTLE AWKWARD ON THE PRIVATE VERSION TO BE HONEST.
I DO WHEN I SIT THERE AND LOOK AT MILL CREEK AND I, WE SAT THERE AND WALK IN THAT BIG TUNNEL AND WE CAN'T GET WATER THE TUNNEL.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN A TUNNEL IN THE GROUND.
WE GOTTA USE IT, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA MAKE SURE IT FUNCTIONS.
WE GOTTA LARGE WHATEVER NEEDS TO GET THERE.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, I THINK THE PRINCIPLE BEHIND IT, OLD GREEK STUDY, YOU KNOW, IS GET THE WATER GOES HOME
BUT, UM, LAUREL LOG OFF, BUT WE'RE GONNA SEND HER A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, FEELS TO ME LIKE THAT'S PRETTY HIGH PRIORITY FOR US BECAUSE IT'S AN ALREADY A START INVESTMENT AND SO THAT'S NEEDED TO ADVANCE IT.
TO ME IT'S THE EROSION CONTROL KIND OF SOMETHING STANDS OUT AS LIKE A REALLY CONCENTRATING BENEFIT.
JUST IT'S THE ONLY TIME WE SURFACE TYPES OF EROSION WITH THE BONDS TO PRIVATE MONEY.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT GETS IN THAT CONVERSATION EARLY ON THE SIZE 200, BUT NOW IT FEELS A LITTLE FY.
BECAUSE IT'S A LOT HARDER TO DO THAT WHEN YOU SACRIFICE THOSE TO BIG THAN FLOOD PROJECTS.
HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, WITH SUBCOMMITTEE I SUPPORT EVERY SUBCOMMITTEE AS A WHOLE MAKES BEST.
BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF IMPORTANCE FOR THE RO BY THIS.
AND I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH
YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO DECIDE THAT WHEN YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
WELL NOW YOU MIGHT RIGHT? SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT PRO PUBLIC EROSION DIRT.
YOU KNOW, ASSUME THE RISK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW.
SO THAT MAY BE A DECISION WE WANT TO REVISIT WHEN WE DECIDE ON EROSION CONTROL NOW.
SO ON THAT POINT IT SOUNDED LIKE, LOOKS LIKE A LOT OF PUBLIC ONES ARE LIKE ROADWAY RELATED, BUT SOME THOSE POSSIBLY, UM, UH, TRANSPORTATION CREEK PROJECTS OR, I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK TOO ON THE ROAD, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER.
SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSE WITH A CREEK ON IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU.
RIGHT? SO IT'S OUTSIDE OF, AS WE MOVE MORE WATER AND WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE DESIGNATED WATERWAYS, THAT'S GONNA INCREASE.
THAT WA THE SPEED OF THAT WATER INCREASES, THE VOLUME OF THAT WATER INCREASES, IT STARTS TO EAT AWAY AT THOSE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
AND THAT MAY BE THEIR LIFELONG HOUSE.
THEY CAN'T AFFORD, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY 200, 300, $400,000 TO FIX AN ISSUE THAT ALL OF OUR FLOOD PROJECTS IS GONNA EXACERBATE.
SO I THINK THAT WE STILL HAVE A, A RESPONSIBILITY IN SOME OF THOSE SITUATIONS.
I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS ON PRIVATE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, SAY APARTMENT COMPLEXES, LET'S STAY AWAY BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THOSE
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COMPANIES THAT OWN THAT HAVE FUNDING, THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE ACCESS TO CAPITAL TO FIX A LOT OF THAT STUFF VERSUS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.AND SO I, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY OVER IN OUR DISTRICT WHERE WE HAVE WHITE ROCK CREEK, UH, ALL THESE LITTLE TRIVI AREAS AND STUFF FEED IN WITH ALL THIS WATER, IT, IT CAUSES SOME BIG PROBLEMS. AND YOU'VE GOT PATCHES WHERE WE'VE ALREADY FIXED IT AND, YOU KNOW, REPRESENTING DISTRICT SEVEN.
UM, I, I CAN'T IN GOOD PROCESS JUST SAY, I I RECOMMEND PULL THIS.
WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY, RIGHT.
SO I, I WANNA MAKE SURE I CAPTURE AND YOUR, YOUR, UH, SO YOUR QUESTION WAS PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE.
SO THEY'RE CATEGORIZED AS PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.
SO THE PUBLIC EROSION CONTROL ARE AFFECTING ROADS, PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, MAYBE STORM VERSUS PRIVATE INTENTION IS TO PROTECT THE STRUCTURE.
SO, SO WAS WAS YOUR COMMENT TO SAY, WELL, MAYBE STRAIGHT YEAH, KIND SARAH, SARAH MADE THE COMMENT EARLIER THAT SOME OF THESE MIGHT FALL UNDER OTHER SECURITIES.
SO THERE'S A PIPE PLUS, PLUS WE HAVE YOU ABILITY TO ADDRESS PUBLIC EROSION CONTROL THROUGH CAP OR CAPITAL MEETINGS VERSUS PRIVATE IF IT HAS TO KEEP AS BOND.
YEAH, I THINK THE CHAIRMAN'S, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE KIND OF EARLY QUESTIONS THEY ASK EVERYBODY AND, AND MATT GOT HIT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT TASK FORCE.
BUT YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO PRIVATE OR
IT'S NOT SAFE WHERE THEY COULD BE DISPLACED BY NOT DOING THE ROAD CONTROL FOR COMMERCIAL.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I KIND OF SAID, SHOULD WE CONSIDER COMMERCIAL NOT CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TYPICALLY WOULD HAVE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, DOLLAR POWER TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO RAISE, YOU KNOW, RENT AND ALL THE THINGS.
YEAH, I'M IN AN APARTMENT AND IT'S FLOODING, I'M GONNA MOVE THIS OTHER APARTMENT.
I I'M NOT SAYING I ARGUMENT WAY OR OTHER, I JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF EXPAND ON WHAT SARAH WAS SAYING, WHAT SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT, BUT YEAH.
BUT I DEFINITELY, UH, HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO WE, WE AS A SUBCOMMITTEE CAN MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION, WELL WE, WE FEEL IS IMPORTANT.
SO, OR WOULD YOU FEEL IS IMPORTANT? YOU MADE A GOOD POINT TOO, I THINK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE EROSION MIGHT BE EXACERBATED BY OTHER CITY YEAH.
SO THE, THAT WELL, I KIND OF, I KIND OF SAID MY LEGS FIRST.
WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO BE A LEADER HERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT.
DO YOU FEEL LIKE, I THINK WE'VE COVERED MARK, YOU STILL TAMIR, IF YOU WANNA JUST SCROLL THROUGH, JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT LESS SLIDE SCHEDULE.
UH, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.
SO BASICALLY EVERYBODY'S SHOOTING FOR NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL FINALIZED IN JANUARY.
UH, AND MARK, WE SHOW THE, THE, UH, FUNDING ALLOCATION POLL.
I HEARD EVERYBODY'S COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT.
WE DIDN'T, BUT UH, IT'S STILL OUT THERE FOR THE PUBLIC THROUGH AUGUST 25TH.
IT MIGHT BE LIKE IN, YOU KNOW, MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, ALLSTAR VOTING.
YOU CAN VOTE AS MANY TIMES YOU WANT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I, YOU, YOU KNOW,
UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS, THAT WAS ABOUT IT.
UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION.
REALLY HELPS, HELPS
I THINK WE'VE GONE FAR ENOUGH AND WE CAN PRESENT THE 1 50, 100, BUT WE KEEP THAT IN OUR BACK POCKET JUST WITH IT.
JUST FOR, WE'LL PROBABLY PRE-WORK THAT JUST FOR GOOD MEASURE.
JUST FOR, I THINK MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY TO GO WITH STAFF, PRE-WORK SOME OF THOSE SCENARIOS SO THAT THE, WHEN WE CAN JUST THAT THE WORKING ASPECT OF IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE VERY LAST SECOND AND LOOK AT NEXT WEEK MAYBE MAKING SOME HARD DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT OUR FIRST DRAFT TO THE TASK FORCE TO LOOK LIKE AND WHY.
AND I SUSPECT, UNLESS I'M GIVEN OTHER
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GUIDANCE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE OUR PITCH.THIS IS THE WORK WE'VE DONE, THESE ARE DECISIONS WE MADE UP AT THE FRONT.
THIS IS HOW WE CREATED THE $200 MILLION BALLPARK, BALLPARK THESE BIG PROJECTS.
AND THIS IS HOW WE DID ALL THE SMALL PROJECTS.
AND I'LL SIT DOWN
AND IF WE HAVE SOME ALTERNATES AVAILABLE, JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE STUFF.
WE'LL HAVE THIS STUFF AVAILABLE IN OUR BACK POCKET IF WE NEED IT.
BUT I, I SUPPOSE THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO TONIGHT.
UNLESS Y'ALL JUST WANTS SAY ANYTHING.
ACTUALLY NO, NOBODY WANTS TO SIT HERE.
AND ACTUALLY I REALLY ENJOYED IT, SO I'M GLAD YOU DID IT AND IF WE ACHIEVE NOTHING ELSE TONIGHT AND JUST TO START EVERYBODY THINKING ABOUT THIS STUFF AND UNDERSTANDING OUR DILEMMA, I DO THINK THAT I HAVE TO CAUTION MYSELF, I WOULD LOVE MORE DIRECTION.
I DO THINK IT WILL WORK ITSELF OUT.
IT'S JUST GONNA TAKE A LITTLE LONGER.
WE DON'T PRESENT TASK FORCE TO DECEMBER 6TH WHEN THE TASK FORCE SHOWS TO COUNCIL.
SO, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I DO THINK THEY ENVISION THE CHAIRS AT LEAST BEING PART OF THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE END.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY DON'T BE SURPRISED IF IT'S NOVEMBER WHEN WE'RE STILL WAITING.
I'M GONNA TRY TO KEEP Y'ALL IN BY HOOK OR CROOK IF YOU WANT.
LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, THE CITY MIGHT JUST ROLL OVER AND BE LIKE, ALRIGHT.
I REALLY THINK THAT IT'S NOT LIKE STUFF, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT LIKE A LOT OF
YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE, THEIR STREETS AREN'T MESSED UP OR LIKE DRIVEWAY ACTUALLY.
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WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT YEAH.I DO LISTEN AND UM, YEAH, I, SO MIKE SCHULTZ, SHE'S BROUGHT ALL OF THE ALMOST TOGETHER, UM, FROM EACH SHE IS.
AND IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO HEAR HOW ALIGNED EVERYBODY ELSE.
BUT I, I WONDER HOW FOR EACH OF US TO URGE OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GET INTERESTING.
DO YOU HAVE NO
DID SHE HAD TO FIGURE OUT ACTUALLY THAT WHY I WE TAKE PARK TO GO TO PARK.
CAN'T REALLY GET RID OF YOUR CITYWIDE PROJECTS ON MAKE IT FAIR, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT FAIR TO EVERYBODY.
WELL, NOT PUTTING ANY OF THE, SO THAT PRESENTATION'S GONNA BE, AND I HAVEN'T FOLLOWED UP RECORDING REQUEST NO.
FOR OURS BECAUSE THEY, IT'S FREE.