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>> YOU'RE WATCHING THE MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.

WITH MAYOR ERIC L. JOHNSON.

MAYOR PRO TEM TENNELL ATKINS.

DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM CAROLYN KING ARNOLD.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, CHAD WEST, JESSE MORENO, ZARIN D. GRACEY, JAIME RESENDEZ, OMAR NARVAEZ, ADAM BAZALDUA, PAULA BLACKMON, KATHY STEWART, JAYNIE SCHULTZ, CARA MENDELSOHN, GAY DONNELL WILLIS, PAUL RIDLEY, AND CITY MANAGER T.C.

BROADNAX, CITY SECRETARY BILLIERAE JOHNSON, AND INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY TAMMY PALOMINO.

[MUSIC]

>> WE HAVE A QUORUM. GOOD MORNING.

TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 2023.

[Call to Order]

THE TIME IS 09:33 AM.

I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER.

THIS MORNING OUR INDICATES SPEAKER IS THE ILLUSTRIOUS RABBI ANDREW PALEY, WHO WORKS WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO RABBI PALEY, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO YOU FOR INVOCATION.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE THIS MORNING.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, DEAR FRIENDS, WHO ONLY WANT A BLESSING GOD OF MANY NAMES.

WE INVOKE YOUR SPIRIT THIS MORNING, ASKING FOR YOUR STRENGTH, YOUR WISDOM, AND YOUR GUIDANCE ON OUR CITY LEADERS, THEIR STAFF AND ALL WHO WORK WITH THEM, WITH THE HOPE THAT THEY WILL THIS DAY CLARIFY THE PARADOX OF OUR TIME, AND TO SEE CLEARLY THE PATH OF WHOLENESS AND HOLINESS AND SINGULAR BEAUTY THAT IS GOD'S WORLD.

THE PARADOX OF OUR TIME IN HISTORY IS THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS, BUT SHORTER TEMPERS, WIDER FREEWAYS, BUT NARROWER VIEWPOINTS.

WE SPEND MORE BUT SAVE LESS.

WE BUY MORE, BUT ENJOY IT LESS.

WE HAVE BIGGER HOUSES BUT SMALLER FAMILIES.

MORE CONVENIENCES, BUT LESS TIME.

WE HAVE MORE DEGREES BUT LESS SENSE, MORE KNOWLEDGE BUT LESS JUDGMENT, MORE EXPERTS, BUT MORE PROBLEMS, MORE MEDICINE, BUT LESS WELLNESS.

WE'VE MULTIPLIED OUR POSSESSIONS, BUT WE HAVE REDUCED OUR VALUES.

WE TALK TOO MUCH, LOVE TOO SELDOM, AND HATE TOO OFTEN.

WE'VE LEARNED HOW TO MAKE A LIVING BUT NOT A LIFE.

WE'VE ADDED MORE YEARS TO LIFE, BUT NOT LIFE TO YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN TO THE MOON AND BACK, BUT HAVE TROUBLE CROSSING THE STREET TO MEET THE NEW NEIGHBOR.

WE'VE CONQUERED OUTER SPACE, BUT NOT INNER SPACE.

WE'VE CLEANED UP THE AIR BUT POLLUTED OUR SOULS.

WE'VE SPLIT THE ATOM, BUT NOT OUR PREJUDICE.

WE ARE LIVING IN A TIME OF TALL PEOPLE WHO ARE SHORT ON CHARACTER, STEEP PROFITS AND SHALLOW RELATIONSHIPS.

A TIME WHEN TECHNOLOGY CAN BRING GREETINGS IN A MOMENT, AND A TIME WHEN A MOMENT CAN EASILY BE DELETED.

SO WE COME HERE TODAY, GOD OF MANY NAMES, HOLY ONE OF BLESSING, TO ASK YOUR HELP AND YOUR GUIDANCE TO DESCEND ON OUR BRAVE CITY LEADERS.

TO HELP ALL OF US ALONG WITH THEM TO UNTANGLE THESE PARADOXES AND TO BE ABLE TO COME INTO YOUR PRESENCE AND SEE THE MAJESTY OF YOUR WORLD IN A SIMPLE, BEAUTIFUL, AND UTTERLY PERFECT PATH TOWARDS THE WHOLENESS WE SEEK.

WE ASK THIS IN YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU. PLEASE RISE NOW FOR OUR PLEDGES OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES FLAG FIRST, AND THEN TO THE TEXAS FLAG.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU MAY BE SEATED.

MADAM SECRETARY, I THINK WE'RE ON TO

[Special Presentations]

A FEW ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS MORNING BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS.

SO FIRST, I'M GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM FOR A RECOMMENDATION.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, OF COURSE, FOR BEING HERE TODAY TO TAKE CARE OF CITY BUSINESS,

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AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WITH US IN THE AUDIENCE.

OUR ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY CENTERS AROUND A VERY SENSITIVE TOPIC.

THAT TOPIC BEING MENTAL HEALTH.

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ACROSS THIS COUNTRY DAY-TO-DAY FACE A DECISION, OR THEY'RE IMPACTED BY DECISION THAT CHANGES THEIR LIFE ON THE SPIN OF A DIME.

IT COULD VERY WELL BE A LOSS OF A LOVED ONE, IT COULD BE DRUG-RELATED, IT COULD BE SUICIDE, IT COULD BE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

IT COULD BE THAT TODAY I WALKED TO MY BUSINESS AND REALIZED TODAY IS THE LAST DAY.

BECAUSE AFTER COVID MANY DOORS CLOSED ON BUSINESSES THAT ALSO IMPACTED THE BOTTOM LINE OF AN INCOME GOING TO A FAMILY.

AS WE CONTINUE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS SEASON, IT HAS BECOME IMPORTANT FOR US TO REALIZE THAT AS WE LOSE, AS WE CONTINUE TO LOSE FAMILIES AND INDIVIDUALS DAY-TO-DAY, WE MUST HAVE RESOLUTION.

WE ARE MOVING TOWARD A PERIOD IN TIME WHERE WE MUST SIMPLY SAY, IT'S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SOMETIMES WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG.

WE HAVE A HEADACHE, WE ARE DEPRESSED, WE DON'T WANT TO TALK, AND WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

BUT IT IS ABOUT OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND OUR STATE OF BEING.

WE HAVE JOINED HANDS WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S MADE A COMMITMENT TO SHARE A STORY THAT HE'S FAMILIAR WITH.

AND HE'S MADE A DECISION TO DO IT IN A FORM WHERE WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT IT, SEE IT, RELATE TO IT.

BUT UNDERSTAND NOW IS THE TIME WE CAN NO LONGER TURN A DEAF EAR OR CLOSE OUR EYES TO A SITUATION THAT AFFECTS US ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS.

SO AS WE BRING UP MR. GREG ELLIS MAYER, HE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS HE'S GOING TO TAKE.

BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH HE'S MOVING TOWARD THE RECOGNITION OF MAY, WHICH WE UNDERSCORE MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS, THERE'S STILL A LONG WAY TO GET TO MAY.

I THINK AS WE SIT AROUND THE HORSE SHOE, AND MANY OF US AROUND HERE, I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET, AND THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE, YOU HAVE ONE PERSON IN YOUR FAMILY THAT YOU KNOW FOR SURE HAS SOME MENTAL ILLNESS ISSUES.

WE CHOOSE OFTEN WE MAY HAVE MORE THAN ONE, BUT WHAT DO WE SAY? SOMETIMES WE SIMPLY SAY, THAT'S MY CRAZY UNCLE.

HE'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR YEARS.

WE JUST LET HIM DO WHAT HE DO.

WE MUST IN ORDER FOR US TO GROW TOGETHER, THIS COMMUNITY, THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THIS NATION, I THINK IT'S NOW TIME TO SAY IT'S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SPEAK TO SOMEONE AND LET THEM KNOW.

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME, AND IT JUST MIGHT BE THAT YOU MAY BE THE PERSON THAT CAN HELP LEAD ME TO RESOURCES TO HELP.

MR. GREG ELLIS, WE THANK YOU.

I KNOW YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION NOW.

YOU'RE NOT ON THE FIELD, BUT YOU DO KNOW FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE ON BEING ON THE FIELD WITH THE DALLAS COWBOYS, YOU HAD A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO BECAUSE OF THE GAME ITSELF HAVE SUFFERED FROM SOME OF THESE CHALLENGES.

WE WELCOME YOU TODAY, AND YOU CAN TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROGRAM AND HOW YOU NEED US TO HELP YOU TO GET TO THAT MARK AND REACH YOUR GOAL.

>> THANK YOU, MS. CAROLYN ARNOLD.

THANK YOU A BUNCH. THANK EVERYBODY FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE CITY.

WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT'S GOING ON.

NOT JUST IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, BUT NATIONWIDE.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WORLDWIDE.

AS PRO TEM CAROLYN ARNOLD JUST SAID, IT HAS ESCALATED EVEN MORE BECAUSE OF COVID.

WHAT I DO, I WRITE STORIES, I CREATE STORIES, I DO PLAYS, I DO MOVIES.

SOME OF YOU FAMILIAR WITH, I CAUGHT A HIGH MOVIE THAT WE DID ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO.

THAT'S WHAT I CONTRIBUTE TO IT.

THERE'S A MAJOR PROBLEM.

MENTAL HEALTH IS DESTROYING FAMILIES EVERY SINGLE DAY, EVERY SINGLE MOMENT.

A NEW PERSON IS DISCOVERING A NEW FAMILY IS BEING DESTROYED BECAUSE OF MENTAL WELLNESS ISSUES, IF YOU WOULD.

ONE OF THESE SOLUTIONS, NOT THE ONLY SOLUTION OF COURSE, IT TAKES A WHOLE COMMUNITY TO SOLVE AND HELP THIS PROBLEM IF YOU ASKED ME, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, WHAT I CAN DO IS TO HELP EDUCATE AND ENLIGHTEN PEOPLE ABOUT MENTAL WELLNESS ISSUES.

I DO THAT THROUGH STORYTELLING.

WE CREATED A MOVIE.

IT'S CALLED MY DEAR.

THE MOVIE IS ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH.

IT SHOWS A FAMILY THAT WE WILL CALL THE PERFECT AMERICAN FAMILY, AND THEIR LIFE IS TURNED UPSIDE DOWN BECAUSE OF MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES.

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BUT THE KEY WORD IS UNTREATED MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GET THE NECESSARY HELP THAT THEY NEED THAT WOULD HELP THEM WITH ANY TYPE OF MENTAL ISSUES THAT THEY MAY BE DEALING WITH.

SOMETIME IT'S TABOO, BUT PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE THE TIME TO GET THE NECESSARY HELP.

WE'RE HAVING A SCREENING ON SEPTEMBER THE 12TH.

THAT'S THURSDAY. EVERYBODY I THINK HAS THE PAPER.

I WANT TO INVITE EVERYBODY OUT TO COME TO THE SCREENER.

IT'S NO CHARGED. LEAVING, COVERING THE POPCORN.

THE GOAL IS DURING MENTAL HEALTH MONTH, WHICH IS MAY.

I WOULD LOVE TO SHOW IT IN EACH OF YOUR DISTRICTS, THIS PARTICULAR MOVIE.

THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL IS HERE TO, AGAIN, BRING MORE AWARENESS TO MENTAL HEALTH, IF YOU WOULD. THAT'S IT.

I JUST WANT TO INVITE YOU GUYS TO COME OUT AND ENJOY A MOVIE.

I'LL GET THE POPCORN FOR YOU.

HOPEFULLY YOU ENJOY IT, BUT LEARN SOMETHING AND SEE VALUE IN IT TO BRING IT BACK TO YOUR RESPECTABLE DISTRICTS DURING THE MONTH OF MAY, WHICH HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS MENTAL HEALTH MONTH.

>> THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, MR. ALLISON.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR GIVING YOUR UNDIVIDED ATTENTION, AND MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US SUPPORT THIS MORNING FOR THIS ANNOUNCEMENT.

>> OF COURSE. MR. ELLIS, I WANT TO SAY PERSONALLY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY.

YOUR TAR HEEL, ARCHIE, AND WHEN YOU GOT HERE FROM NORTH CAROLINA, YOU MADE A BIG IMPACT ON THE FIELD.

FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE BIG FOOTBALL FANS, WE REMEMBER ALL THE GREAT DEFENSIVE IN PLAY, BUT I ACTUALLY REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'VE DONE SINCE YOU HUNG UP YOUR CLEATS AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND YOUR CONSISTENCY AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO DALLAS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE THROUGHOUT YOUR LONG AND ILLUSTRIOUS CAREER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. AT THIS TIME, I RECOGNIZE THE MAYOR PRO TEM TO KNOW ATKINS FOR AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE THIS MORNING.

FIRST, GOOD MORNING.

WE LOOK AROUND THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS.

WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY AND HOW DO PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE TO PUBLIC SAFETY? TODAY, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT WE DO HAVE TWO INDIVIDUAL WHO STILL WORK FOR THE STATE OF DALLAS WITH DPD WHO SERVE OVER 53 YEARS.

WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE GOT FIVE OF THEM WHO RETIRED, WHO ALSO WORKED FOR DPD, WHO IS DO SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

IF THEY DO THAT, WE THINK ABOUT THESE MEN AND WOMEN HAD DEDICATED AT LEAST 50 YEARS TO THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SOME WHO SERVED FOR FREE IN THE DALLAS RESERVE DIVISION.

THE DALLAS POLICE REPORT RESERVE THE CURRENT MAKEUP OF APPROXIMATELY 110 RESERVE OFFICER WHO ARE VOLUNTEER WHO SERVED AS SWORN LICENSED PEACE OFFICER FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THEY HAVE THE SAME AUTHORITY AS CERTAIN ALONG WITH THEIR FULL-TIME PAY COUNTERPART IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

IN ADDITION TO ROUTINE ASSIGNMENT, THEY ARE ABLE TO ASSESS DOING SPECIAL ASSIGNMENT.

REMEMBER THE BOLTON JOHN INCIDENT? WE HAVE THE RAZA, WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCED POLICE OFFICER AND WE HEAR YESTERDAY WE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING PERMIT.

WE ASK ONE QUESTION.

WE SAID, IF YOU HAD TO HIRE SOMEONE, WHO WOULD YOU HIRE? THEY SAID MORE ENGINEERS.

WE SAID, WHY WOULD YOU HIRE MORE ENGINEERS? HE SAID, WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM BECAUSE INDEED IT'S LACK OF EXPERIENCE.

THIS WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE POLICE, BUT SOMETIMES WE NEED EXPERIENCE TO MAKE SURE WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT SAFETY NET AROUND THE CITY.

BUT THE POINT IS THAT THESE OFFICERS WHO ARE RECOGNIZED THIS MORNING STILL WORK FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS EVERY DAY.

THEY WILL PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS EVERY DAY.

SOMEONE SERVED 40 HOURS A MONTH, SOME MAY SERVE 10 OR 15 HOURS PER MONTH WITHOUT PAY.

THEY STILL PAY FOR A UNIFORM, THEIR BOOTS, THEIR GAS, THE MISCELLANEOUS STUFF THAT THEY DO NOT AS TAXPAYERS TO PAY THEM MONEY.

AS I LOOK AT THESE FIVE OR SIX OFFICERS, THAT EVEN LOOKING AT THE MAN HOURS, THEY PROBABLY SAY A POLICE REPORT A PROBLEM CLOSER TO MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, A MILLION A YEAR SAVING BECAUSE THEY DO A VOLUNTARY.

THESE OFFICERS HERE TODAY ON THE FRONT ROW, THERE ARE TWO ON THE STILL WHO WORK FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND FIVE ARE IN RESERVE.

BUT WHAT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT, AND WE THINK ABOUT OUR BUDGET, WE THINK ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE CITY, WHY WOULD THESE OFFICER STAY FOR 50 YEARS FOR FREE AND DO SERVICE? WHAT GIVEN THEM THE CARIES, WHAT GIVEN THEM THE STANDARDS TO BE HERE FOR 50 YEARS WITHOUT PAY?

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THAT TELL THEM SOMETHING, TELL THE CITY, THEY ARE PROUD OF THE CITY, ARE PROUD OF WHAT THEY DO, AND THEY WANT HELP TO MAKE SURE WE GOT TO SAVE THE CITY IN AMERICA.

AS VSB TURNED HIM THIS MORNING, THEY SAY, WILL THEY HAVE TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN? YES, THEY WILL. BUT DO 50 YEARS, THAT'S A LONG TIME, THAT'S A LIFETIME.

THAT'S WHY THEY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED.

THEY SHOULD'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED MANY, MANY YEARS AGO.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE NOT RECOGNIZED THESE OFFICER WHO HAVE SERVED THAT 50 YEARS, SOME THE 54 YEARS.

WE ARE IN A CITY, THAT SAY PUBLIC SAFETY IS NUMBER 1.

WE SAY WE WANT TO HAVE THE SAFEST CITY IN AMERICA.

I REMEMBER THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET OFF THE THIRD WORST CITY IN HOMICIDES AND CRIME [INAUDIBLE] THAT BLACK.

BUT THESE OFFICER HAD BEEN HERE LET'S SAY 1953 TILL 1981, BUT 1953, THEY'VE BEEN HERE AND USE IT AS IMAGINE 1953, THEY DIDN'T HAD TO SERVE THE CITY AND PEOPLE SAY, WHO ARE THESE OFFICER? THEY NEVER HAD ASKED FOR ANY KIND OF RECOGNITION, THEY HAD NEVER CAME TO THIS COUNCIL AS ONE DIME.

THEY HAD NEVER ASKED FOR ANYTHING, ALL DAY THEY ASKED TO DO IS CAN WE SERVE OUR CITY? I THINK THIS A TIME THEY SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED AND THAT'S WHY WE TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THEM TODAY, MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE FOREIGN SWORN OFFICER, CAPTAIN WILLIAM MCCLAIN.

WILL YOU STAND, PLEASE? HE'D BEEN FOR 54 YEARS.

[APPLAUSE]

>> HE'S STILL WORKING, HE'S STILL ON THE PAYROLL.

>> I CAN JUST START WALKING DOWN.

AS SOON AS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED JUST GO AHEAD AND HAVE YOU COME STAND SO EVERYONE CAN SEE YOU BECAUSE WE'RE SO HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE THIS MORNING.

IT'S ONE AT A TIME, JUST COME ON DOWN AND STAND RIGHT HERE INFRONT AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A PHOTOGRAPH WITH ALL OF YOU.

>> WE ALSO HAVE SENIOR CORPORATE FERNANDO MASIMBA.

[APPLAUSE]

>> HE HAD BEEN FOR 52 YEARS.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THE FEDERAL RESERVE VOLUNTEER OFFICER.

THESE INDIVIDUAL CAME BACK, HAVE RETURNED TO SERVE FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

THEY HAVE A NICKNAME, DETECTOR RON PAID THIS.

HE'S STILL WITH HOMICIDE.

[APPLAUSE]

>> RAISE YOUR HAND RON [INAUDIBLE]. SENIOR CORPORATE STEPHEN LEDBELLA, 53 YEARS.

[APPLAUSE]

>> HE IS WITH NARCOTICS.

LUCIANA AMAZON, 53 YEARS [APPLAUSE]

>> AND HE IS WITH PLANNING.

DETECTOR JERRY ROMAN, 50-YEAR [APPLAUSE]

>> COMMUNICATION IN MIND, USED TO BE NEIGHBORS, SENIOR CORPORATE [INAUDIBLE] BUSBY HAD BEEN WITH 50 YEARS SWAT TEAM.

[APPLAUSE]

>> I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE MARYLAND AND COLLEAGUES, JUST GIVE THEM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE BECAUSE THEY'VE WORKED OVER 50 YEARS, THAT'S A LONG TIME.

[APPLAUSE]

>> EVERYONE, COM E ON DOWN FRONT.

GENTLEMEN, WILL YOU GUYS GO AHEAD AND COME ON DOWN RIGHT NOW AND STAND IN FRONT HERE? THANK YOU [BACKGROUND]

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO RECOGNIZE IT BEFORE WE WENT ON TO OUR OPEN MICROPHONE,

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SO YOU STOLE MY THUNDER.

[BACKGROUND] [APPLAUSE]

>> WHILE EVERYONE IS MAKING THEIR WAY BACK TO THEIR SEATS AND BEFORE WE START OUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS, SINCE WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME, I WAS GETTING SITUATED AND SAYING A FEW HELLOS.

I DID WANT TO SAY FIRST, SINCE IT IS IN THE NEWS, CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE SMU MUSTANGS, ESPECIALLY OUR IN-HOUSE FAVORITE SMU MUSTANGS NEIL ATKINS ON SMU'S ASCENSION TO THE ACC, WHERE THERE'LL BE PLAYING THE CAROLINA.

TAR HEEL IS ON A REGULAR BASIS IN FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, ALL OF SPORTS SO CONGRATULATIONS TO NEIL AND ALL YOUR FELLOW MUSTANGS ON THAT. THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

WE ALSO HAVE A VERY DISTINGUISHED GUEST HERE TODAY, CONGRESSWOMAN JOHNSON, EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON, WHO SERVED THE CITY [APPLAUSE]

>> IN NORTH TEXAS, SO ADMIRABLY IN THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS FOR SEVERAL DECADES, AND ALSO IN AUSTIN AS A STATE LEGISLATOR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE CONGRESSWOMAN JOHNSON.

IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU.

WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MADAM SECRETARY.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GOOD MORNING.

[Open Microphone Speakers]

THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL WILL NOW HEAR ITS FIRST FIVE REGISTER SPEAKERS.

I'LL RECITE THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES.

SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF PROPRIETY, DECORUM, AND GOOD CONDUCT APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL AND PERTINENT, PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE CITY COUNCIL, WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE ROOM FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN PERSON, ANY THE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS YOU WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE SESSION.

INDIVIDUALS BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.

YOU'RE NOTICED THE TIMER ON THE MONITOR ON THE PODIUM IN FRONT OF YOU.

WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE STOP FOR THOSE IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

FOR THOSE VIRTUAL SPEAKERS, I WILL ANNOUNCE WHEN YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

ALSO SPEAKERS, PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT DURING YOUR COMMENTS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO REFER TO A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BY NAME.

ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS TO MAYOR JOHNSON ONLY.

YOUR FIRST SPEAKER, MICHAEL SIMMONS SAID IT'S CANCELED.

CYNTHIA REBELS, NOT PRESENT.

RB FOSTER.

>> GOOD MORNING, HONORABLE COUNSELORS, HONORABLE MAYOR, JOHNSON, CITY MANAGER, COUNSELOR GRACEY, RB FOSTER, DISTRICT 3.

I WANTED TO JUST RECAP SOME SPENDING CONCERNS FOR FISCAL YEAR '24.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S STREET LIGHTING.

FISCAL YEAR '23, THE CITY TOOK OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF FREEWAY STREET LIGHTING FROM ENCORE.

I UNDERSTAND WE BUDGETED AT ABOUT THREE MILLION DOLLARS.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> WE'LL PAUSE YOUR TIME DON'T WORRY WE GET THE REMOTE SPEAKERS MUTED, PLEASE. THANK YOU.

>> STREET LIGHTING FOR FISCAL YEAR '23, WE TOOK OVER MAINTENANCE OF FREEWAY STREET LIGHTING FROM ENCORE.

I UNDERSTAND WE BUDGETED ABOUT THREE MILLION DOLLARS FOR FREEWAY LIGHTING REPAIRS, BUT IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.

COUNCIL NEEDS TO ADD ABOUT ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS TO THE LED CONVERSION TO CONVERT ALL THE STREET LIGHTS TO LED.

FREEWAYS LIKE LUKE 12, I39, 45 STILL NEED TO BE CONVERTED TO LED.

UNDERPASS LIGHTING. WE BUDGETED MONEY FOR FREEWAY UNDERPASS LIGHTING REPAIRS.

HOWEVER, MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE.

75 CENTRAL IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, STILL HAS MANY DARK UNDERPASSES THAT NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED TO LED BUT WOULD REQUIRE EXPENSIVE LANE CLOSURES.

COUNCIL REALLY NEEDS TO ADD MONEY FOR THAT.

DIGITAL SIGNAGE.

THE CITY HAS ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN DIGITAL INFORMATION SIGNS AROUND THE CITY THAT HAVE NEVER WORKED.

WE FINALLY NEED TO BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE TO GET THESE SIGNS OPERATING FOR CITYWIDE EMERGENCIES.

COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO ADD MONEY FOR THAT.

CONTINUOUS STREET LIGHTING.

WE HAVE A LOT OF MAJOR FREEWAYS IN THE CITY WHERE YOU DRIVE FROM A LIGHT INTO DARK TO A LIGHTED AREA ON THE FREEWAY I20 IS ONE GOOD EXAMPLE.

I'D LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL PASS A RESOLUTION TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO WORK WITH TEXTS DOT TO INSTALL CONTINUOUS FREEWAY STREET LIGHTING, ALL MAJOR FREEWAYS IN THE CITY.

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ENTRANCE SIGNAGE.

THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS NO SIGNS THAT SAY WELCOME TO THE CITY OF DALLAS WITH TREES AND FLOWERS AND STUFF LIKE YOU'D SEE IN GRAND PRAIRIE OR MCKINNEY.

COUNCIL REALLY NEEDS TO HELP BUDGET FOR THIS.

THE I30 BRIDGE OVER LAKE RAY HUBBARD.

[NOISE]

>> TECH STATUS CURRENTLY BUILDING NEW SERVICE ROADS AND WIDENING I30 OVER LAKE RAY HUBBARD, WHICH ITSELF ISN'T EMPOWERMENT OF THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I'M CONCERNED A CITY STAFF IS NOT DIRECTED TEXTS DOT TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT OUR DRINKING WATER.

BY ADDING FENCING, PROHIBITED SIGNAGE, AND MAYBE STREET LIGHTING TO THOSE BRIDGES.

ALL MAJOR FREEWAYS OVER OUR WATER SOURCES REALLY SHOULD BE LIGHTED AND PROTECTED, THE GEORGE BUSH'S, FOR EXAMPLE.

WE REALLY NEED LIGHTING AND CAMERAS, NOT ONLY FOR MOTORISTS SAFETY, BUT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE STUPIDITY OF UNFAVORABLE ACTORS WHO'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING UNTHINKABLE TO OUR WATER OUT THERE IN DARK BRIDGES, COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S OUR DRINKING WATER.

[NOISE]

>> WE NEED TO PROTECT MORE OF OUR RAIL CORRIDORS.

MAYBE CONSIDER EXTENDING THE RED LINE FROM WESTMORELAND ONTO MOUNTAIN VIEW COLLEGE AND THEN MAYOR JOHNSON WE COULD ALSO EXTEND IT OVER TO HENSLEY FIELD FOR THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE BLUE LINE COULD BE EXTENDED TO CEDAR VALLEY COLLEGE, HOWEVER, OUR DARK BOARD MEMBERS DON'T SEEM TO BE PROTECTING THESE RAIL RIGHT AWAY.

THEN DECORATIVE LIGHTING.

FINALLY, THE HIGH-FIVE AS DECORATIVE LIGHTS STUFF, LIGHT IT, STARS WHICH LIGHT UP AT NIGHT.

THEY ADD BEAUTY THERE KIND OF AN ART PIECE.

MOST OF THEM ARE OUT AND THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD HAD TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO GET THOSE FIXED.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CAN I HAVE MY COMMENTS ADDED FOR THE RECORD.

>> YES, WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE THEM. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY.

>> SANITA CLEVELAND.

>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. I SEE YOU'VE STARTED MY TIME VERY QUICKLY.

I AM SANITA MUSHY CLEVELAND.

I'M A PROUD COMMUNITY MEMBER OF QUEEN CITY IN SOUTH DALLAS, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE MUST DO BETTER.

ONE YOUR VOTE, TO LIMIT US TO SPEAK ONLY ONCE A MONTH.

WE CAN BARELY SAY YOUR NAME.

I'M SORRY, WE CANNOT SAY YOUR NAME.

JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF YOU TRULY CARE.

JUSTICE FOR SHANERRA JONES, THE MURDER AND QUEEN CITY DISTRICT 7 SOUTH DALLAS.

A GRAND CITY, MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD, ONE SHOT THROUGH THE NECK.

BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT.

LONG LIVE LANDY, THAT'S YOLANDA ANDERSON AND ECSTASY WHILE IT WAS HOT, YOU SAID IT'S NOT, WHILE WE WERE PROTESTING AND IT WAS HOT, YOU DIDN'T SHUT THEM DOWN.

I HEAR THAT THEY'RE NOT REALLY MAFIA, EVEN THOUGH THEY PULL THE MACHETE OUT ON ME, TRYING TO SCARE ME.

EVEN THOUGH HE DIDN'T SHUT THEM DOWN.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN GET BOTH CULPRITS.

DALLAS ISD, LET'S DO A BETTER JOB.

YOU MUST STEP IN LIKE THE BIGGER PIECE DOES USA AND PARTNER WITH OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT PLEASE PARTNER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS AND DALLAS ISD TOGETHER.

YOU ARE BETTER. TRIPLE D. THANK GOD, IT IS BACK IN THE CREATOR'S HANDS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY WASN'T SMART ENOUGH TO LOOK UP AT THE STAR AND PUT THE STAR IN.

INSTEAD THEY HAVE THE LEAF.

EVERYONE'S A WITNESS.

WASHINGTON, THANK YOU FOR THE WIN OF THE GHOST LOGO, PLEASE LEAVE THIS LOGO ALONE.

THIS CREATIVITY THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS DID NOT HAVE.

THE HEELS, DO HAVE EYES.

TRUST ME, THE CULTURE WILL COME FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU KEEP COMING FOR ITS CREATOR, OUR CREATOR. THANK YOU.

TRUMP, WE FEEL YOU.

I KNOW THEY ALWAYS CALL THE POLICE ON ME TOO NOT EVERYONE.

SOME OF YOU ARE VERY NICE PEOPLE, AND HOPEFULLY THE NORTH CAN WORK WITH THE SOUTH.

I HEAR THAT DART IS USING THE RIDESHARE PARKING LOT TO GET PAID AND THEY'RE GETTING THEIR PERMITS FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS.

YOU GUYS ARE ALLOWING SLUMLORDS TO OPERATE IN THE CITY STREETS, TERRORIZING RESIDENTS, SHOUT OUT TO ROSEMARY AND METAL NAME, NO AC.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TRULY CARE.

VIOLENT CRIME IS UP.

SAFETY AWARDS FOR WHAT, LIKE 40 YEARS FOR WHAT IN DART AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 10 INNOVATIVE TRANSPORTATION CITIES.

VOTE FOR WATERMARK SOUTH DALLAS. IT'S BEEN SO LONG.

I GOT TO JUST SAY ALL THESE THINGS SINCE I HAVE ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO WAIT, 29.

THANK YOU, ADAM BAZALDUA, AKA BAZ, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING IN DISTRICT 7.

WE HAVE MORE TO GO AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, PLEASE EVERYONE HERE HELP QUEEN CITY TO BECOME [OVERLAPPING]

>> I HEAR IT'S HISTORICAL OVERLAY SO THAT WE CAN START TO BUILD IN.

PLEASE HELP US.

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HAVE THE MALCOLM X FESTIVAL IN DEEP ELLUM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> AS SOURCES WITH THEM AND DO NOT FEAR.

>> SILVERIO MARTINEZ.

SILVERIO MARTINEZ IS NOT PRESENT.

WILLIE COLEMAN. WILLIE COLEMAN IS NOT PRESENT.

PAMELA GRAYSON.

PAMELA GRAYSON IS NOT PRESENT.

DOUGLAS DEAL SENIOR.

DOUGLAS DEAL SENIOR IS NOT PRESENT.

EMMANUEL GIBSON.

EMMANUEL GIBSON IS NOT PRESENT.

THIS CONCLUDES YOUR OPEN MICROPHONE SPEAKERS FOR THIS MEETING, MR. MAYOR.

>> LET'S GET ON WITH OUR AGENDA. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO.

>> THANK YOU. YOUR FIRST ITEM IS AGENDA ITEM 1,

[1. 23-2196 Approval of Minutes of the August 16, 2023 City Council Meeting]

APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 16, 2023 CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

>> I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND. ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

ALL THERE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE? AYES HAVE IT. NEXT ITEM.

>> AGENDA ITEM 2 IS CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

[2. 23-2197 Consideration of appointments to boards and commissions and the evaluation and duties of board and commission members (List of nominees is available in the City Secretary's Office)]

THIS MORNING YOU HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL AND FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO NOTE THAT THE TERMS FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS DO NOT BEGIN UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, 2023.

YOUR NOMINEES FOR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT.

TO THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION.

JONATHAN SAXER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

MR. SAXER MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE ARTS AND CULTURE ADVISORY COMMISSION, JESSE HORNBUCKLE IS BEING NOMINATED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD.

MR. HORNBUCKLE MEETS THE VISUAL ARTS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE CITIZEN HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION, GELIA SEALHORN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

MS. SEALHORN MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC SPECIAL QUALIFICATION AND JAMES HAWK IS BEING NOMINATED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD.

MR. HAWK MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, CHRISTIAN SHERNOCK IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

MELISSA KINGSTON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

DEBORAH CARPENTER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

TABITHA WHEELER REAGAN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA AND JOANNA HAMPTON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO.

TO THE COMMISSION ON DISABILITIES.

NANCY AMMERMAN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ.

MS. EMERSON AMMERMAN MEETS THE COMMITTED TO COMMUNITY OF DISABLED PERSONS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

GAY RAVI IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

MS. RAVI MEETS THE COMMITTED TO COMMUNITY OF DISABLED PERSONS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION ALSO.

TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, NATHANIEL WALKER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST AND ROSEANNE MILLS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD, BRANDON FRIEDMAN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

TO THE ETHICS ADVISORY COMMISSION, NICHOLAS RODRIGUEZ IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

MR. RODRIGUEZ POSSESSES A JURIS DOCTORATE SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION BOARD, ANTHONY PAGE IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

TO THE JUDICIAL NOMINATING COMMISSION, JOE KERIONE IS BEING NOMINATED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

AND CARL GINSBURG IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

TO THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR COMMUNITY CENTER BOARD, JOHN DIMICHELE IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

AND ANN WILLIAMS IS BEING NOMINATED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD.

TO THE MUNICIPAL LIBRARY BOARD, STAN ATEN IS BEING NOMINATED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD AND AMY SHAFFNER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

TO THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD, SCOTT GOLDSTEIN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART AND RUDY KARIMI AS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

TO THE SENIOR AFFAIRS COMMISSION, KAREN ROBERTS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

MS. ROBERTS MEETS THE 55 PLUS YEARS OF AGE SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE SOUTH DALLAS PARE PARK OPPORTUNITY FUND BOARD,

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THEMONE LEVINE IS BEING NOMINATED BY DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD.

MR. LEVINE MEETS THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE IN BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMISSION, JUAN PRECIADO IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO.

MR. PRECIADO MEETS TO SERVE IN US MILITARY SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

AND CHARLES AYERS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

MR. AYERS ALSO MEETS THE SERVED IN US MILITARY SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE YOUTH COMMISSION, MALACHER HAWTHORN IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS.

LEROY TAMFU IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON AND TONY OKON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ.

YOUR NOMINEES FOR FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

ALTERNATE MEMBERS.

NICHOLAS BROOKS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

AND ANDREW BENNY IS BEING NOMINATED ALSO BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD, PAM GERBER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST AND COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

TO THE CYPRUS WATERS MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BOARD, BRETT JOHANSSON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 16 BOARD, DAVIS GARDEN.

AUGUSTINE TORRES IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

AND NICHOLAS CARMONA IS ALSO BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 17 BOARD TOD, KYLE WAKE IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 18 BOARD, MAPLE MOCKINGBIRD, JARED BURNETT IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO, AND TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 19 BOARD CYPRUS WATERS.

MOROCY, LANCE FLOWERS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR.

>> IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE?

>> SECOND.

>> THE MOTION IS SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY, AYE.

>> AYE.

>> ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM SECRETARY, FOR THAT.

>> MR. MAYOR, YOU'RE BRIEFING CONTINUOUS.

[D. 23-2201 Park(ing) Day and Status of the Off-Street Parking & Loading Code Amendment]

HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME COUNCIL MEMBER WEST WOULD LIKE TO BE RECOGNIZED.

>> YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY ACTUALLY.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL JUST MAKE THE REQUEST THAT ITEM D, THE PARK(ING) DAY BRIEFING, MOVE UP TO THE FRONT BECAUSE IT IS A TIMELINESS ISSUE ON US VOTING ON THIS NEXT WEEK TO RECOGNIZE PARK(ING) FOR SEPTEMBER 15TH.

>> IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO TAKING THAT? I MEAN, I CAN DO IT, BUT I'D RATHER DO WHAT WE ALL WANT TO DO HERE SO WE CAN JUST TAKE THAT ONE OUT OF ORDER, DEAL WITH IT QUICKLY, AND THEN GO BACK TO THE PRINTED ORDER OF THE AGENDA, WHICH I'M FINE WITH IT.

COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT?

>> I DO. I ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PARKING BRIEFING AND I THINK IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FOR OUR CITY.

I KNOW IT'S ONE THAT YOU'RE ADVOCATING FOR.

IT'S NOT ONE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT FOR A UNIVERSAL SOLUTION FOR OUR CITY.

AND I'VE PREPARED SEVERAL PAGES OF QUESTIONS FOR IT AND I WOULD ACTUALLY ADVOCATE FOR THIS ITEM, MAYBE JUST TO RECOGNIZE PARK(ING) DAY, BUT TO HAVE THE FULL BRIEFING, PERHAPS EVEN ANOTHER DAY SINCE WE HAVE SUCH A FULL AGENDA. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ON THIS? HOW MANY STREAMS, OBJECTION TO THE SIDES FROM COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN, ON TAKING IT OUT OF ORDER? THEN I'M OKAY WITH TAKING IT OUT OF ORDER.

SO I'LL TAKE IT OUT OF ORDER.

SO WE'LL DO THAT ONE FIRST.

WHAT NUMBER IS THAT OR WHAT LETTER IS IT? D. WE'LL TAKE D FIRST AND THEN WE'LL TAKE EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE NORMAL COURSE.

UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE CHANGES THAT WE`LL TALK ABOUT LATER.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

PARK(ING) IS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT CODE REGULATIONS THAT IMPACTS DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY.

IT AFFECTS THE WAY THE CITY IS BUILT, PERMITTED IN THE APPEARANCE OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMERCIAL AREAS.

STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON WORKING TOWARD A DRAFT ORDINANCE.

TODAY, PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN WILL PROVIDE A BRIEFING ON THE STATUS OF THAT WORK AND RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TRANSFORMATIVE CODE AMENDMENT.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR RYAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JULIA.

>> THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU HONORABLE MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, JULIA RYAN, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN.

YOU CAN GO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO TODAY WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A QUICK BRIEFING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH BOTH THE PARK(ING) DAY AND ALSO THE CODE AMENDMENT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED BY CITY COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY.

AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH JUST A FEW THINGS REGARDING THAT AND

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THEN RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU ALL HAVE FOR US. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO AGAIN, THE PRESENTATION PURPOSE TO GO OVER BRIEFLY, THE PARK(ING) DAY FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT WAS REQUESTED.

AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT ABOUT TODAY'S BRIEFING IS WE'RE NOT BRINGING A PROPOSAL.

THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL FOR ANY ORDINANCE OR RECOMMENDATION THAT IS SPECIFICALLY FOR INFORMATIVE PURPOSES ON THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS RELATED TO PARKING.

NEXT SLIDE. THIS SLIDE GOES OVER THE FIVE SIGNATURE MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US ON AUGUST 3RD REGARDING RECOGNIZING PARK(ING) DAY AND ALSO TO BEGIN PLANNING AND IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS TO REDUCE PARKING IN THE CITY AND PROVIDE BRIEFINGS ON THE STATUS OF THE PARKING CODE AMENDMENT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW ABOUT PARK(ING) DAY.

IT IS AN ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL EVENT BY WHERE PARKING SPACES ARE TURNED OVER TO PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS, COMPANIES, ADVOCATES TO CREATE PARKWAY.

IT'S BASICALLY SO THERE'S A LOT OF IMAGINATION AND CREATIVITY THAT GO INTO THIS.

AND SO WHOEVER IS OCCUPYING THAT PARKING SPACE FOR THE DAY HAS CREATIVE CONTROL ON REALLY WHAT HAPPENS THERE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF FUN THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING THAT.

THERE'S GAMES, THERE'S PLACES TO RELAX.

REALLY JUST DEPENDING ON WHO'S ORGANIZING THAT.

THIS IS AGAIN, A WORLDWIDE INTERNATIONAL EVENT.

AND SO AS THIS MOVES FORWARD EVERY YEAR, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THESE THAT HAPPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WORLD. NEXT SLIDE.

IN DALLAS, THERE ARE ABOUT 30 SPACES THAT DDI AND THE CITY OF DALLAS PARTNER WITH ON MAIN STREET.

THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN DEPARTMENT PARTICIPATES EVERY YEAR.

WE'LL BE BRINGING OUR FORWARD DALLAS EVENT TO PARKING DAY.

THERE'S A WEBSITE AVAILABLE THAT YOU CAN CLICK TO.

WE'LL BE UNVEILING OR VAN THAT HAS BEEN WRAPPED WITH FORWARD DALLAS AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS AND INFORMATION ABOUT THE UPCOMING FORWARD DALLAS PLAN AS WELL.

WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR DREYER.

THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I WILL CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION WITH JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE CURRENT PARKING CODE AMENDMENT.

I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT BRIEF, BUT ALSO I WAS TRYING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COMPREHENSIVE VIEW.

ON THE BACKGROUND, WE BASICALLY STARTED TALKING AND THINKING THAT WE NEED A PARKING REFORM IN 2019 IN AUGUST DUE TO COUNCIL MEMBER WEST AND THEN CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AUTHORIZATION FOR CODE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE OPEN AND WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER WITH STAFF AND TOGETHER WITH SO I CAN SEE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

BETWEEN MARCH OF 2020 AND AUGUST 2026, WE WORKED WITH ZOAC AND IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BECAUSE WE BASICALLY DIDN'T KNOW, WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE IMPORTANCE AND THE COMPLEXITY OF THE TOPICS THAT WE WANTED TO TOGETHER WITH ZOAC TO BASICALLY EXPLORING COME WITH THE PROPOSAL TOGETHER.

WE PAUSE IT FOR A LITTLE BIT AND HERE WE ARE IN AUGUST OF 2023.

THIS YEAR WE BROUGHT IT BACK, WE DID TWO PUBLIC LISTENING SESSIONS AND A LITTLE BRIEFING TO ZOAC.

WE WERE REQUESTED TO COME TO YOU WITH A BRIEFING ON WHAT IS THE STATUS AND THAT'S IT, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO RESUME AND START WORKING BACKWARDS ZOAC AND CBC.

THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THE AUTHORIZATION FROM OCTOBER 2019 WAS WIDE BUT ALSO I STARTED TO LOOK INTO SPECIFIC USES.

AFTER WORKING WITH ZOAC A LITTLE BIT, WE BASICALLY LANDED ON THE IDEA THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX AND IT HAS TO BE MORE OF A REFORM OF THE WAY WE APPROACH PARKING IN THE CITY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW.

THE WAY THE CURRENT PARKING REGULATIONS WORK IS BASICALLY WHEN A BUSINESS OR A RESIDENCE IS ESTABLISHED ON A PROPERTY, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE REQUIRES PROVIDING PARKING AND LOADING SPACES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ON-SITE AND NOT ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.

THE REQUIREMENT IS USUALLY A RATIO, IT MAY BE A RATIO OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING OR FOR WHATEVER OTHER THINGS THAT WERE IMPORTANT FOR THE US.

THERE ARE SOME VERY LIMITED REDUCTIONS AVAILABLE VIA DIFFERENT AVENUES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXAMPLE, THERE ARE A LOT OF RATIOS THAT ARE INTERESTING

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AND WE FOUND THEM AS GOOD SPARKS FOR CONVERSATION.

FOR INSTANCE, THE ONE THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME WAS THAT FOR A COMMERCIAL STABLE, WHICH IS BASICALLY A FACILITY FOR COURSES, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS ONE SPACE FOR EACH TWO STALLS.

THEN FOR SEWAGE TREATMENT PLAN, THERE'S ONE SPACE OF PARKING FOR EACH MILLION GALLONS OF WATER CAPACITY.

OPERATE, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

DURING OUR JOURNEY AND EXPLORATION AND RESEARCH TOGETHER WITH ZOAC OF YEARS AGO, WE DISCOVERED THAT THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WITH THE WAY THE CURRENT CODE WORKS.

I WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THAT THE CURRENT CODE IS IN PLACE SINCE THE '60S.

WE LOOKED AT IT IN '80S, WE LOOKED AT IT IN 2012, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH APPLYING AND SEEING THE OUTCOMES OF THE CURRENT CODE.

THEREFORE, WE ALL AGREE THAT IS OUTDATED, DYSFUNCTIONAL, AND IT PROVIDES INFLEXIBLE REQUIREMENTS THAT CREATE BARRIERS TO EQUITABLE DEVELOPMENT, MORE SPECIFICALLY.

THEY ARE A ONE-SIZE FITS ALL REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT'S A RATIO THAT APPLIES EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY AND IS BLIND TO LOCATION AND TRAFFIC AND OTHER CONSIDERATION.

THERE ARE CUMBERSOME PROCESS FOR APPLICANTS AND FOR STAFF.

THEY CAN BE A BARRIER FOR REDEVELOPMENT OR THE USE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING IN THE CITY.

THAT CAN BE AN OLD BUILDING THAT WE WANT TO PRESERVE.

THEY HAVE A DISPROPORTIONATELY BURDEN ON SMALL BUSINESSES AND ENTREPRENEURS, AND THAT THEY HAVE A BIG RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT.

THEY DO IMPEDE ENVIRONMENTAL AND ONE NEIGHBORHOOD WALKABILITY GOALS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

I WAS GOING TO BRING UP ONLY TWO VERY RECENT AND VERY IMPORTANT POLICIES THAT THE CITY VOTED ON IN THE RECENT YEARS.

THE FIRST ONE IS THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT WAS VOTED AND APPROVED BY COUNCIL IN 2020 THAT HAS SOME GOALS THAT ARE RELATED TO PARKING, AND ONE OF THEM SAYS, "ADOPT A REVISED PARKING ORDINANCE STRATEGY THAT SUPPORTS NEW MODE SPLIT GOALS AND LAND-USE STRATEGY THAT MINIMIZES AVAILABLE PARKING IN TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENTS." THEN IT GOES ON TO EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MAY MEAN.

TO REVISE PARKING STANDARDS, MAYBE DISCUSS ABOUT MAXIMUM PARKING STANDARDS.

TO THINK ABOUT PARKING MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS RATHER THAN PARKING STANDARDS AND REDEVELOPMENT, AND ALSO ENCOURAGES DESIGN GUIDANCE FOR THOSE PARKING MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS TO RETROFIT SURFACE LOTS WITH GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE BEST PRACTICES.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THEN CECAP GOES ON TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO SUPPORT AND RECOMMEND TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN.

THEN IT DOES KNOW THAT SOME POTENTIAL OUTCOME METRICS WOULD BE, AND I WOULD INTERPRET THAT THAT IS A DESIRED OUTCOME METRIC WOULD BE A DECREASE IN NUMBER OF NEW PARKING SPACES IN THE CITY AND AN INCREASE IN TRANSIT RIDERSHIP.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE NEXT BIG, VERY SIGNIFICANT PLAN THAT WE RECENTLY VOTED ON IS CONNECT DALLAS, THE STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN THAT WE VOTED ON IN 2021.

THAT HAS FEW VERY IMPORTANT GOALS.

FIRST OF ALL, IT GOES ON TO EXPLAIN THAT PARKING MINIMUMS ARE AN OFTEN OVERLOOKED AREA OF POLICY THAT HAS TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON MOBILITY CHOICES AND THE USE OF MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

IT EXPLAINS WHY IT IS HURTFUL AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THEM.

IT DOES USE AND EXPLAIN WHAT ELIMINATING ELIMINATING PARKING MINIMUMS MAY MEAN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. FURTHER ON, CONNECT DALLAS GOES ON TO RECOMMEND REFORM THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS TO SUPPORT MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION.

IT RECOMMENDS A RIGHT SIZE PARKING REGULATION APPROACH, SHIFT TO GOAL OF TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FROM REDUCING DELAYS INTO REDUCING VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, AND INTRODUCE AN ACTIVE MODE ANALYSIS AND MULTI-MODAL MITIGATION INTO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IT ALSO GOES ON TO HAVE ANOTHER GOAL AND SAY "EMPHASIZE TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT TO MAXIMIZE SYSTEM EFFICIENCY, " AND IT GOES ON TO EXPLAIN WHAT A TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT IS.

THEREFORE, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

OUR PARKING REFORM PILLARS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH ZOAC THAT WE'RE WORKING OFF RIGHT NOW ARE: RIGHT SIZING OF THE PARKING REGULATION TO INCREASE PREDICTABILITY AND FLEXIBILITY IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THROUGH ADEQUATE REQUIREMENTS, IMPROVED PARKING DESIGN AND ACCESSIBILITY, CREATE A TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND THEN MANAGED PARKING AREAS OR PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICTS,

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THERE WILL BE A SEPARATE ACTION THAT THEY'RE ALSO INTRODUCED BY THE UPCOMING CURRENT MANAGEMENT POLICY.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS THEY'RE INTENDED TO IMPROVE THE URBAN DESIGN AND MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF PARKING LOTS, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING TO INCLUDE SMALL URBAN FORM AND ENVIRONMENTAL SENSIBILITY STANDARDS INTO DEVELOPMENTS SUCH AS PLACING PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING OR PARTIALLY, PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS, ENSURE THE LOCATION OF PARKING DOES NOT BLOCK OF BUILDINGS ACCESSIBILITY, AND SOME ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY DESIGN.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. FOR THE MANAGEMENT PORTION.

WE ARE LOOKING INTO WATER TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT SYSTEM LOOK LIKE WHICH IS A REVIEW BASICALLY, AND WE ARE LOOKING INTO UPDATING EXISTING TOOLS THAT WE USE TO CLARIFY AND FORMALIZE THE TRANSPORTATION REVIEW PROCESS.

I WANT TO SPECIFY THAT WE ALREADY LOOK AT NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE REVIEW WITH THIS LENS, WE JUST NOT HAVE IT FORMALIZED YET.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THEN FOR THE OTHER PORTION OF MANAGEMENT, HOW TO BASICALLY MANAGEMENT SPILL OR HOW IT WORKS WITHIN A CONTEXT, WE ARE LOOKING INTO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MANAGED AREA, PARKING AREAS, PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICTS, BASICALLY MEANING USING PARKING METERS AND OTHER TOOLS TO MANAGE ON STREET PARKING WITHIN A SPECIFIC REGION WITH THE GOAL TO MANAGE THE OVERSPENT IN CASE IT APPEARS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. DURING OUR TWO VIRTUAL SESSIONS IN AUGUST WITH ZOAC, WE HEARD SUPPORT AND CONCERNS ABOUT, THE SUPPORT WAS YES, WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT A MORE MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

WE DO HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS FOR THE CITY, WE DO HAVE HOUSING NEEDS IN THE CITY, AND THEN WE HEARD THE VOICE CONCERNS ABOUT ADDED TRAFFIC, CONGESTION, LESS FREE AND ABUNDANT PARKING THAT MAY BE A POTENTIAL OUTCOME IF WE ARE GOING IN A CERTAIN WAY WITH THE REFORM, AND THE STATE OF THE CITY THAT IS NOT WALKABLE OR TRANSIT ORIENTED ANYWAY, AND OBVIOUSLY OVER SPILL OF PARKING INTO RESIDENTIAL BLOCKS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW, WE WANTED TO LEAVE YOU WITH FEW THINGS THAT WE THINK THAT OUR FORECASTED OUTCOME OF WHAT A PARKING REFORM CAN LEAD TO.

WE ANTICIPATE WHATEVER THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE, THERE WE'LL HAVE INCREMENTAL CHANGES ON NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, MEANING THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PROBABLY WILL CONTINUE TO EXIST THE WAY IT IS.

EXISTING PARTIES SUPPLY WILL REMAIN AND POSSIBLY WE'LL TRANSITION TO SOME MODES OF SHARED PARKING.

DEVELOPERS WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PARKING BASED ON THE MARKET DEMAND, AND WE HAVE DEMONSTRATED EXAMPLES OF THAT, AND WE ARE ALSO RELYING AND ARE VERY HAPPY THAT WE HAVE AN UPCOMING CURB MANAGEMENT POLICY.

I WILL SAY THAT THIS CODE AMENDMENT IS NOT A START OF ANY PROPOSAL, IS BASICALLY A NATURAL CONTINUATION BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE SEEDS IN PLACE, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME AREAS THAT WE TESTED, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE REFORM. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

>> TIMELINE. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US ANY FEEDBACK TODAY, THEN WE WILL GO TO ZOAC.

THEN WE PLAN TO GO TO THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION IN LATE FALL AND COME BACK TO YOU FOR AN ACTUAL VOTE WITH A PROPOSAL THAT WAS VETTED BY ZOAC, AND CPC PROBABLY IN WINTER OR SPRING.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, CITY MANAGER, AND IF YOU WANTED TO TRY ME AND YOU WANT TO GO ON TO QUESTIONS.

WE'RE PREPARED COUNCIL FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE MR. CHAD WEST.

THEN THE QUEUE FIRST.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THE BRIEFING FROM STAFF AND YOU GUYS PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.

I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO SIGNED ONTO THE MEMO.

BAZALDUA AND WILLIS RESEND DOES AND SCHULTZ TO GET THIS PARKING REFORM MOVING AGAIN AND JUST BACK IN THE SPOTLIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THE MAYOR FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA AND THE CITY MANAGER AND ALSO CITY ATTORNEY FOR DRAFTING THE MEMO.

I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT WHAT YOU POINTED OUT THAT WE'RE NOT HERE TODAY TO DICTATE TO YOU EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT IN THE PARKING CODE.

WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE DISCUSSIONS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL AND THAT'S COMING TO US AND WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TOTAL BRAIN DAMAGE ON THIS TODAY, WHICH WE KNOW WILL BE COMING BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN FOR YEARS IN THE MAKING.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, THIS HAS BEEN FOR YEARS IN THE MAKING.

BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES IN THE CITY, AND I HOPE THAT CPC AND STAFF SEES THE IMPORTANCE OF EXPEDITING

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THEIR REVIEW SINCE IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE SINCE AUGUST 2019.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

IN DALLAS, DO WE HAVE A PARKING SUPPLY PROBLEM OR DO WE HAVE A PARKING MANAGEMENT PROBLEM? WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. THE BIG QUESTION.

WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING, AS I SAID IN MY PRESENTATION ON THIS CODE SINCE 1965.

WE'VE BEEN BASICALLY HAVING THIS RATIO SINCE THEN.

I WOULD SAY ALL THE DEVELOPMENT COMING SINCE 1965 OR 67 HAS SUPPLY ACCORDING TO THE RATIOS.

I WOULD INVITE YOU TO LOOK THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND JUST EYEBALL AND SEE WHERE THE SUPPLY IS OR IS NOT.

I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS BASICALLY WITH THE MANAGEMENT OF PARKING.

BECAUSE IN OUR FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT OF STAKEHOLDERS.

THE PROVIDE WAY MORE ABOVE WHAT IS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MARKET IS.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PROVIDED PARKING, THE SUPPLY IS NOT MANAGED.

MEANING IF IT OVER SPILLS, THERE ARE NO TOOLS TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THERE ARE NO TOOLS WE'LL DEAL WITH THE DESIGN.

THERE'S NO CAREFUL CONSIDERATION WHEN THE PARKING IS BEING PLACED.

WHY? BECAUSE EVERYTHING STARTS WITH WHERE WOULD I PLACE MY PARKING, SOMETHING THAT IS EXPENSIVE AND BIG.

I WOULD SAY WITHOUT A DOUBT, ALL THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY WITH PARKING HAVE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TOOLS TO ADEQUATELY MANAGE AND TO CONSIDER ANY TYPE OF SHARING THE SUPPLY THAT ALREADY EXISTS.

>> I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID, WE'RE USING A PARKING CODE THAT WAS BASED OFF OF OUR CITY IN 1965.

WE'RE ANALYZING ALL OF OUR NEW DEVELOPMENTS BASED ON A 1965 ERA PARKING CODE.

HOW HAS OUR CITY CHANGED SINCE 1965?

>> I THINK THE BIGGEST CHANGE IS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO FILL IN.

WE DON'T HAVE AS MUCH AS UNDEVELOPED LAND AS WE USED TO PROBABLY IN THE '60S, AND I THINK REDEVELOPMENT REQUIRES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CODE.

INFILL DEVELOPMENT IS NOT THE SAME AS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

REDEVELOPMENT IS NEVER THE SAME.

IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A BLOCK AND TO HAVE ONE ACRE OF GREENFIELD, AND THESE ARE YOUR STREETS OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE NEW STREETS? AND ANOTHER THING TO KNOW, THIS IS EXISTING RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A BUILDING HERE, A BUILDING HERE, A TRAFFIC PATTERN.

OUR CODE IS NOT AND WAS NOT THOUGHT LIKE THAT BECAUSE IN THE '60S WE HAD A LOT OF NEW LAND WAITING TO BE DEVELOPED.

WE'RE RAPIDLY APPROACHING WHAT EVERY MAJOR CITY DOES, AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT CITIES DO HAVE A LIFE.

THEY HAVE LIFE CYCLES. OF COURSE THEY GROW.

WE NEED TO HAVE A CODE TO ENABLE THE GROWTH BASED ON THE NEEDS OF TODAY'S CITY.

>> WE ALSO HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE THAT I SUSPECT WE DID NOT HAVE BACK IN 1965, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR SURE.

HOW DOES THE PARKING CODE IMPACT OUR ABILITY TO DEVELOP WORKFORCE HOUSING AND HOUSING IN GENERAL IN THE CITY.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

I WILL REFRESH TO SAY THAT WE DID HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT IMPACT OF PARKING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN WE DID THE UPDATE ON THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS A YEAR AGO OR TWO YEARS AGO, AND I WILL ALSO REFRESH THAT.

WE DID INCLUDE A SIGNIFICANT PARKING REDUCTION AS A BONUS.

IT WASN'T AN ELIMINATION.

WE DID SEE THE FRUITS OF THAT LABOR.

ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT IS BEING PROVIDED IS WAY ABOVE THE MINIMUM OF ABOVE THE BONUS.

IT HAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.

I WILL REPEAT WHAT I SAID BACK THEN.

THE PROBLEM WITH PARKING IS THAT IT'S VERY BIG.

PROBABLY TWO OR THREE PARKING SPOTS EQUAL IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE PROBABLY TWO PARKING SPOTS WITH EQUAL THE SIZE OF A SMALL STUDIO APARTMENT.

IT'S BIG SPACE WISE, AND THEN THE SECOND IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.

WHAT DEVELOPERS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOLD US IS THAT IT IS A RELIEF FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO START WITH PARKING AND THEY START WITH HOUSING.

THEY LOOK AT THE SITE AND THEY SAY, THIS SITE, WE WANT TO DEVELOP THIS NUMBER OF UNITS BECAUSE THIS IS THE NEED AND THIS IS WHAT WE SIGNED UP FOR AND THESE ARE THE UNITS AND NOW THIS IS THE PARKING THAT I CAN PROVIDE.

IT ALWAYS COMES A LITTLE BIT ABOVE ONE PER UNIT.

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IT'S WAY MORE THAN THE MINIMUM RATIO THEY STILL PROVIDED.

BUT THE CONVERSATION DOESN'T START WITH, WHERE WOULD I PUT MY PARKING? I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE PARKING, THEREFORE, I NEED TO CUT FEW UNITS.

I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST RELIEF.

WE ALLOW THE HOUSING MARKET TO PROVIDE UNITS FIRST.

>> OUR BASE PARKING CODE REQUIRES ONE CAR PER BEDROOM IS A ONE PARKING SPACE FOR VETERANS; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S THE BASE CODE. THAT DEPARTMENTS.

>> IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE PARENT IN ONE ROOM AND YOU HAVE A TWO-YEAR-OLD IN THE OTHER ROOM, THE DEVELOPERS STILL GOT TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR THAT APARTMENT. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> YES. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT BY ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.

THAT IS NOT SENSITIVE TO THE NUANCES LIKE THAT.

[NOISE]

>> NOW, I KNOW THAT THERE IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL MODEL OF THE PARKING CODE THAT'S GOING TO WORK FOR THE WHOLE CITY.

I'VE GOT CHALLENGES IN MY DISTRICT WHERE PARKING REDUCTIONS ARE USED TO PRESERVE HISTORIC BUILDINGS, AND THAT'S EVIDENT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY.

I KNOW THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE WHO HAD CHALLENGES IN THEIR DISTRICT WITH PEOPLE PARKING ON THE STREETS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IT'S NOT THAT SIMPLE, BUT DO YOU SEE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CITY TO ELIMINATE PARKING MINIMUMS?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT WE ALREADY STARTED DOING THAT.

DOWNTOWN, NEVER HAD TWO BIG PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS AGAIN THE PHILOSOPHY OF CODES FROM THE '60S SO WE ALIGNED TO THAT.

BUT WE STILL HAVE ENOUGH, A LOT OF SUPPLIES AND ALSO THAT'S AN INDICATOR OF HOW MUCH CO-DEPENDENT THE CITY IS.

BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHERE WE DIPPED OUR TOES, LIKE DEEP VELLUM HAS VERY REDUCED PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

FARMERS MARKET HAS EXACTLY THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS DOWNTOWN.

BISHOP ARTS ALSO HAS VERY REDUCED REQUIREMENTS.

VICTORY PLACE HAS A VERY INTERESTING PD, AND I WOULD SAY LIKE ENCOURAGES AND IT'S NOT TO REDUCE IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MODEL.

I WOULD SAY THAT WE'RE ALREADY TESTING AND WE'RE DOING IT, IT'S JUST THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE LESSONS LEARNED AND SEE WHAT WILL WORK FOR THE ENTIRE CITY.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE PLACE AND CONTEXT SENSITIVITY VIA THOSE PDS.

>> ON THE WAY INTO CITY HALL TODAY, I DROVE BY 8-10 SURFACE PARKING LOTS, MOST OF WHICH WERE VACANT.

HOW DO WE GET FOLKS TO ACTIVATE THESE PARKING LOTS? I MEAN, ONE, IT'S LOSS REVENUE TO THE CITY FROM LOW COMMERCIAL USE AND TWO ITS LOSS OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSING.

IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO LIKE FROM A TAX STANDPOINT OR AN INCENTIVE STANDPOINT TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THEIR PROPERTY BESIDES PROVIDE A SURFACE PARKING LOT?

>> I WILL THINK ABOUT THE FISCAL INCENTIVES.

THAT'S NOT REALLY MY FORTE.

>> SURE.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO TALK MORE INTERNALLY.

AGAIN, I'M A ZONING PERSON.

I'M ALWAYS LOOKING AT WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THE CODE.

I WANTED TO SIGNAL AND THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I WANTED TO SIGNAL SOMETHING THAT I REALIZED RECENTLY AFTER SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME DEVELOPERS.

IT IS HARD TO ACTIVATE AND TO PLACE BUILDINGS.

THERE ARE MARKET VALUE AND DESIGNED AS THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO WHEN THAT BUILDING IS SURROUNDED BY PARKING LOTS.

BECAUSE WHOEVER IS PAYING PREMIUM OR WHOMEVER WANTS A DECENT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT AROUND THEM WILL NOT BUY OR OCCUPY A UNIT THAT OVERLOOKS BARGAIN LOT WITH NO TREES, OR OVERLOOKS A PARKING LOT, OR OVERLOOK SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY NICE.

I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS A BIG ALARM SIGNAL THAT I HAVE FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO SAY THE MARKET WILL PROVIDE IT AND WE'LL MAKE IT WORK.

IT'S HARD TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT WHERE THE SITUATION IS, WHAT IT IS.

I THINK THE SAME SITUATION IS ALSO IN THE CEDARS IN SOUTH DALLAS.

YOU NEED TO CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE MARKET TO START SPARKING AND IF YOU KEEP ON LIKE OVERBURDENING WITH REGULATIONS, AND OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING DOES NOT NECESSARILY DESIRABLE URBAN FORM IS GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO OBTAIN SOMETHING THAT'S MARKET WORTHY.

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>> I AGREE. THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST MAKE THIS REQUEST INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR STAFF COMMENT ON THIS FOR PARKING DAY, IF WE COULD HAVE, LOOKING AT NGSS OVER THERE, IF WE COULD HAVE KNOW ABOUT SCHEDULE OF EVENTS.

IF YOU COULD GET THAT TO US THROUGH A DDI OR WHOEVER'S DOING THAT.

I'D LIKE TO GO TO SOME OF THOSE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL WOMAN, MENDELSOHN.

>> WELL. THANK YOU. I THINK I MIGHT HAVE TO HOST A PARKING DAY UP IN DISTRICT 12, IT MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

IT WILL PROBABLY BE PEOPLE UPSET BECAUSE THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT ALL THE ON STREET PARKING BECAUSE THERE'S NOT SUFFICIENT PARKING AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

I HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT OUR BASE JUST ON THE EXCHANGE THAT YOU'VE HAD WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

BUT THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WE STARTED WITH AN ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SAYING THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AND YOU CONTRIBUTED SAYING IT HAS A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE CITY.

I COMPLETELY AGREE, WHICH IS WHY I OBJECT TO THIS BEING AN ABBREVIATED LET'S THROW IT IN THERE BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET PARKING DAY COVERED WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT.

THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS?

>> YES, THE HEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM AND THAT'S WHY WE CALL IT A RIGHT SIZE APPROACH, AND THAT'S WHY WE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A RATIO IS BLIND TO LOCATION, YES.

>> WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.

BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WEST WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING SEEN SO MANY SURFACE PARKING LOTS COMING INTO CITY HALL.

BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY, I THINK ZERO PARKING LOTS IN DISTRICT 12 THAT ARE LITERALLY JUST THE SPOT THAT YOU JUST PAID APART. THERE'S NONE.

WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT ISSUES, VERY DIFFERENT LIFE AND I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, CEDARS, DEEP VELLUM, FISH PARKS, LIKE ALL THOSE AREAS UPTOWN.

IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CITY THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

IN FACT, WHEN YOU BRING UP 1965 FOR WHEN THIS WAS INITIATED, MOST OF MY DISTRICT WAS NOT EVEN THE CITY OF DALLAS, IT WAS A TOWNSHIP FOR VANNA.

TODAY, I MIGHT BE THE ONLY PERSON WHO'S REPRESENTING A DISTRICT THAT IS FULLY BUILT OUT.

LIKE THERE'S LITERALLY NOTHING LEFT TO BUILD.

WE HAVE VERY DIFFERENT ISSUES AND WE HAVE ARE VERY LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT DO HAVE THE ONE-BEDROOM, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER THIS CURRENT CODE.

BUT UNLIKE THE EXAMPLE OF A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT WITH A SINGLE MOM, IT'S MUCH MORE LIKELY TO BE A COUPLE IN A ONE-BEDROOM WITH TWO CARS, SOMETIMES EVEN MORE, WITH ONLY ONE SPOT THAT'S BEEN DESIGNATED TO THEM, WHICH LEADS TO LOTS OF ON STREET PARKING.

SOMETIMES THERE'S THREE AND FOUR ADULTS IN A ONE-BEDROOM APARTMENT, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS, HOW PEOPLE ARE SURVIVING AND DALLAS TODAY.

WE ARE WAY UNDER PARKED AND MOST OF IT.

IF ANYBODY DOUBTS ME AND YOU WANT TO GO CHECK OUT SOME STREETS, I'M HAPPY TO JUST NAME A FEW.

YOU CAN GO TAKE A LOOK AND THIS IS A REGULAR ISSUE ON NEXT DOOR, BUT FEEL FREE TO GO SEE PARTRIDGE, TIMBER GLENN, BOTH EAST AND WEST OF THE TOLL WAY.

HAVERWOOD, GRAMMA SEA, OAKS OR LLOYD CIRCLE.

IF YOU CAN CHECK ON NEXT DOOR, YOU CAN SEE THE ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WITH BEING OVER PARKED IN THIS AREA.

I'M SORRY, WITHOUT HAVING TOO MUCH ON STREET PARKING.

LET ME ASK YOU SOME MORE QUESTIONS, GUYS HERE.

I'M ALREADY RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

YOU HAD MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL REQUIREMENTS, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE, SHOULDN'T WE ALSO NOT HAVE ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL BY WIPING IT ALL AWAY.

LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME REQUIREMENTS.

WHAT I WOULD CHALLENGE YOU AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THIS IS MAYBE SEPARATING THE CITY INTO URBAN AND SUBURBAN.

FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO JOKE THAT I'M SOUTH PLANO REPRESENTING SOUTH PLANO AND DISTRICT 12, IS NOT TRUE.

IN FACT, IT HAS A HIGHER DENSITY THAN MANY OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS.

BUT IT DOES HAVE A DIFFERENT NEED.

IN FACT, IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS THAT I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS IS ABOUT THE ON STREET PARKING.

THERE'S A CRIME ELEMENT TO THAT.

IS DPD AVAILABLE TO ANSWER A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING? AND IF YOU WANT TO GRAB DFR AS WELL, THAT'D BE GREAT.

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>> ARE WE WORKING ON THAT AS I WANT IT COMING FROM? THANK YOU. CARA.

>> LET ME THROW OUT A QUICK QUESTION THEN.

YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THE PARKING MINIMUMS AS A WAY TO IMPROVE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND WALKABILITY.

BUT DON'T YOU AGREE THAT HAVING CARS LINING A STREET ACTUALLY DOES THE OPPOSITE? IT MAKES IT LESS SAFE AND THERE'S A TERRIBLE ENVIRONMENT FOR WALKABILITY WHEN THAT'S THE SITUATION.

>> SURE, I WOULD CORRECT THAT.

I DON'T REMEMBER HOW YOU PHRASE IT.

I DON'T WANT TO BUTCHER IT, SO I APOLOGIZE.

NOW, WE WANT IT TO MOVE THE CONVERSATION TO SAY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL, THE DESIGN OF IT MATTERS A LOT.

A PARKING LOT, FOR INSTANCE, IS THE EASIEST.

THE LOWEST-HANGING IT'S A BIG SEA OF CONCRETE THAT OBVIOUSLY INCREASE THE HEAT ISLAND FACTOR.

THE WATER RUN OFF.

IT'S A LOT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND THE MICRO-CLIMATE AROUND AREAS THAT ARE COVERED IN SURFACE PARKING LOT IS DIFFERENT.

THE ARGUMENT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE TO INCREASE OR TO COME UP WITH SOME DESIGN STANDARDS TO ALLEVIATE THAT A LITTLE BIT.

THE WALKABILITY ASPECT.

THERE ARE A FEW NUANCES THERE, SO IT'S NOT A SIMPLE ANSWER.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. PLEASE DO.

EVERY PARKING SPOT COMES WITH A CURB CUT.

A CURB CUT IS A CONFLICT POINT WITH THE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY, WHICH IS THE SIDEWALK.

AGAIN, HITS BACK INTO THE DESIGN.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL.

WHEN WE FOCUSED ON THE SUPPLY, WE CAN TO NOT CARE ABOUT BECAUSE EVERYTHING MUST FOLLOW SO IT'S FUNCTIONAL SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION REGARDING WALKABILITY AND DESIGN COMES IN.

WE NEED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL WITH THAT SUPPLY.

HOW IS IT PLACED TO SUPPORT WALKABILITY? THEN ALSO THERE'S THE CONCEPT AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY MY STRONG POINT.

THERE'S A COMPETITION FOR THE CURB.

THE CURB MAY HAVE BETTER USES OBVIOUSLY WITH BIKE LANES AND TRANSIT AND ALL OF THAT SO I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE.

BUT KEEP IN MIND, THAT'S WHY I KEEP ON SAYING FOR US, FOR ME FOR INSTANCE, THE CURB CUT IS A VERY IMPORTANT LITTLE DETAIL THAT SPIRALS DOWN INTO HURTING.

>> IF I COULD ADD ON THE WALKABILITY RELATED TO ON STREET PARKING WE KNOW THAT AS A PERSON WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED WALKING DOWN MATERIALS OR WALKING DOWN NEIGHBORHOODS STREETS WANT THE MOST DISTANCE FROM TRAVELING VEHICLES, ESPECIALLY TRAVELING VEHICLES THAT ARE GOING TOO FAST.

THE PARKED CARS ACTUALLY DO A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THEY ARE TRAFFIC CALMING SO PEOPLE WILL NATURALLY SLOW DOWN.

THEY ALSO PROVIDE SPACE BETWEEN THE TRAVELING AND THE PEDESTRIAN.

WE WANT AS MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE TRAVEL LANE AND THE PEDESTRIAN AS WE CAN GET THAT ABSOLUTELY IMPROVED SAFETY.

IF YOU'VE GOT A CAR THAT IS RUNNING OFF THE ROAD OR ANY OTHER CONFLICT THAT'S HAPPENING IN THAT ROADWAY BED THAT THE PEDESTRIAN ON THE SIDEWALK IS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THAT CONFLICT BECAUSE THERE IS THE PHYSICAL BARRIER OF THOSE PARKED CARS.

>> ARE WE STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE FROM DPD AND GFR THAT WE LOOK AT ANYONE? THERE'S CHIEF ARTISTS I SEE, BUT I WAS GOING TO ADD THE TIME TO ANOTHER ROUND FOR YOU AND GO TO MS. BLACKWELL IF YOU WANTED, BUT WE CAN DO THIS NOW IF YOU WANT.

>> CHIEF ARTIS, DALLAS FIRE RESCUE, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION ONE MORE TIME?

>> YES. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT ANY CHALLENGES THAT FIRETRUCKS OR AMBULANCES

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MIGHT HAVE WHEN THEY GO DOWN A STREET THAT HAS ON STREET PARKING ON EITHER SIDE, ESPECIALLY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA?

>> YES, IT CAN BE TOUGH SOMETIMES.

JUST GET INTO BIG TRUCKS DOWN THE ROAD.

IF THERE'S PARKING THAT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE TRUCKS TO GET THROUGH SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO IMPROVISE AND MAYBE PARK AT THE CORNER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET TO THE PATIENTS OR WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE RESPONDING TO.

>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA OVER BY FIRE STATION 10?

>> WHICH AREA?

>> THE DENTON COUNTY PART OF THE CITY.

>> I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT. YES, MA'AM.

>> YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT THE FIRE TRUCKS AND AMBULANCES AND HAD IN THE AREAS WITH APARTMENTS?

>> WE HAVE QUITE A FEW AND ALL OF OUR DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY, DEPENDING ON HOW OLD THE APARTMENTS ARE, SOME BUILT AT DIFFERENT TIMES AND SO THE TRUCKS OF HAVING GOTTEN CONSIDERABLY LARGER FROM WHERE THEY USED TO BE AND SO WE HAVE THOSE ISSUES AND WE JUST HAVE TO WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS OUR FOREIGN INSPECTORS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THEM.

>> WELL, I'VE DONE RIDE ALONGSIDE FIRE, BUT I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO COME HAVE A TOUR.

I'M WONDERING IF POLICE MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

>> WHAT I MISS?

>> THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU FIND THAT THERE'S A CRIME ISSUE WITH ON STREET PARKING?

>> BUT FIND IT IT'S A CRIME ISSUE? NOT NECESSARILY.

>> IN THE SIX TENS, WHICH IS THE DENTON COUNTY AREA.

NOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF ON STREET PARKING.

DO YOU FIND THAT TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR POLICING IN THAT AREA?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NECESSARILY A CHALLENGE FOR POLICING, ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY LESS CONGESTED PARKING OBVIOUSLY WOULD MAKE IT EASIER.

I THINK IT DEFINITELY IS A PROBLEM FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND I'VE HEARD THAT FROM THEM AS WELL.

>> ARE YOU AWARE OF CRIME THAT'S HAPPENING WHERE PEOPLE ARE BETWEEN THE CARS WAITING TO ASSAULT PEOPLE?

>> I'VE HEARD THAT ON OCCASION.

>> I CAN SEE THAT MY TIME IS UP.

I'LL WAIT FOR THE NEXT ROUND. THANK YOU.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE PAUL RIDLEY IS AHEAD OF PAULA BLACKMON NOW, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT BEFORE.

THAT MY SYSTEM IS JUST FLIP-FLOPPING.

THEN MR. RIDLEY, I SAID I WAS GOING TO GO TO YOU, BUT I THINK I NEED TO GO TO YOU FIRST, MR. RIDLEY.

DO YOU CARE? MR. RIDLEY IRREGULARS FOR FIVE-MINUTES THEN AND THEN MS. BLACKMON FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. WITH REGARD TO THE PARKING ISSUE, I THINK IS SOMEWHAT PREMATURE REPORT IN THAT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE ANALYSIS OF ZODIAC AND CBC'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO US AND SO I WON'T ENGAGE IN DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE PRESENTATION OR DETAILED QUESTIONS, BUT I AM STRUCK BY A COUPLE OF GENERAL ISSUES THAT I'D LIKE TO VOICE.

ONE OF THEM IS THAT I AGREE THAT THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

IT IS A VERY DIVERSE CITY IN THE SENSE OF TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, DENSITY, AMOUNT OF PARKING, AND THE USAGES OF THE LAND THAT RESULTS IN DIFFERENT PARKING DEMANDS AND IT'S NOT THE CITY THAT IT WAS 1965 WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE MASS TRANSIT LIKE WE DO TODAY.

BUT MY POINT IS THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A VERY PARTICULARIZED, THOUGHTFUL STUDY OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY, URBAN VERSUS SUB-URBAN OR WHATEVER THAT DIVIDE IS, SO THAT IT CAN PROVIDE APPROPRIATE SOLUTIONS FOR ALL AREAS AND TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

SECOND OBSERVATION, IS THAT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF A PROGRAM THAT RESULTS IN IMMEDIATE IMPLEMENTATION OVERNIGHT.

THIS IS SUCH A FAR-REACHING POLICY CHANGE AND I HAVE READ MANY ASTUTE OBSERVERS OF PARKING PROGRAM CHANGES WHO ALL ADVISE THAT IT SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED GRADUALLY OVER TIME, PERHAPS ON A PILOT BASIS AND SOME AREAS THAT ARE MOST IN CONTROVERSY AS TO WHAT

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THE POLICY SHOULD BE SO THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THAT EXPERIENCE AND NOT RESULT IN PARKING CHAOS ALL OVER THE CITY BECAUSE WE GOT IT WRONG.

THIRD OBSERVATION, IS THAT THE IDEA OF PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICTS, I THINK, SHOULD BE CONSIDERED VERY CAREFULLY.

THIS WOULD RESULT IN A SHIFT OF THE BURDEN OF PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND REGULATION FROM CITY STAFF TO NEIGHBORHOODS.

NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE VARYING DEGREES OF ORGANIZATION AND REPRESENTATION, AND MOST ARE NOT PREPARED TO TAKE ON THAT DAY-TO-DAY AT TIMES RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE CITY STAFF AND DO IT ON A CONSISTENT APPROPRIATE BASIS AND SO I AM VERY SKEPTICAL OF ANY EFFORT TO TRY TO TRANSFER THAT BURDEN AND RESPONSIBILITY ONTO NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR.

>> MS. BLACKMON, WHEN YOU'RE READY YOU'VE GOT FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. CAN WE LOOK AT SLIDE 7 AND THE TIMELINE? I GUESS THIS IS A CITY MOVING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT.

I MEAN, SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

WHAT HAPPENS? IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION.

IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS.

THIS IS STILL IN THE VERY BEGINNINGS OF DEVELOPING SOMETHING; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE STARTING TO WRITE A PROPOSAL.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> GOING TO ZOAC.

I FELT LIKE THOSE TWO, THREE YEARS THAT WE WORKED ON IT WAS BASICALLY THE RESEARCH, THOUGHTFULNESS ANALYSIS.

I THINK WE ARE EQUIPPED WITH ENOUGH DATA AND BEST PRACTICES.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL TO COME TO ZOAC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>. THERE'S BEEN 25 MEETINGS AT ZOAC?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. THAT WAS THE THOUGHTFULNESS SOURCE-MAKING.

>> MY QUESTION IS TAMMY, WHAT HAPPENS IF IT JUST STAYS IN ZOAC? CAN COUNSEL BRING IT FORWARD? CAN CPC PULL IT OUT? IN OTHER WORDS, ANOTHER 25 MEETINGS AND YOU'LL GET A WHOLE NEW COUNCIL.

I MEAN, SO I THINK WE'D EITHER NEED TO FISH OR CUT BAIT.

[NOISE]

>> MY MICROPHONE. CITY PLANNING COMMISSION CAN TAKE THE ISSUE FROM ZOAC.

IT WOULD BE TAKING IT FROM THE COMMITTEE.

BUT THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, UNDER STATE LAW AND OUR ORDINANCE, REQUIRES THAT CPC PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION AND THERE'S NO TIMELINE.

>> IT NEEDS TO COME THROUGH CPC, BUT IT CPC CAN ACT, CAN TAKE IT INTO THEIR BODY.

>> YES.

>> THAT WAS IT. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S SITUATION BECAUSE I HAVE ADJACENCY TO RESIDENTIAL IN MIND, BUT IT IS STILL AN URBAN FEEL WITH A SUBURBAN-TYPE DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK IT JUST NEEDS A CAREFUL LOOK.

BUT THERE'S A POINT WHERE THE CAREFUL LOOK HAS HAD AND WE NEED TO START MOVING AND START TAKING THIS DEEPER INTO THE IMPLEMENTATION IF WE'RE GOING TO OR NOT.

THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE CPC TO NOT DO ANOTHER 25 MEETINGS BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE 25 YOU'VE DONE YOUR RESEARCH AND IT NEEDS TO MOVE.

THAT'S JUST MY FEELINGS. THANK YOU.

>> KATHY STEWART, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

I LIVE AND REPRESENT DISTRICT 10.

DISTRICT 10 IS REALLY I WOULD SAY A SUBURBAN DISTRICT WITH URBAN CORRIDORS.

WE DO HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF THE URBAN.

I'VE WORKED FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN UPTOWN, OBVIOUSLY A VERY URBAN, DENSE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE VERY WELL.

I WAKE UP IN ONE AND WE'D GO TO WORK IN THE OTHER, AND THEY DO HAVE VERY DIFFERENT NEEDS.

I'M JUST REALLY ENCOURAGING YOU.

I KNOW WE'VE ALL SAID ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL, BUT PLEASE LOOK AT YOUR DISTRICTS THAT ARE MORE SUBURBAN, AND TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

THEIR NEEDS ARE DIFFERENT FROM OUR MORE DENSE NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU.

>> JESSE MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

[NOISE]

>> I LOOK FORWARD TO PARKING DAY AND I'LL BE SURE TO COORDINATE THE EVENTS THAT THE DDI AND

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DEEP ELLUM FOUNDATION ARE UNDERTAKING TO GET THOSE OUT TO OUR COLLEAGUES.

I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF PARKING REFORM, ENSURING [NOISE]

>> THAT WE'RE MEETING THE NEEDS OF TODAY.

[NOISE]

>> EXCUSE ME.

BUT I DO THINK IN ORDER FOR THIS TO BE SUCCESSFUL, WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT OUR CURRENT MANAGEMENT PLAN AND MOVE FORWARD WITH A PARKING AUTHORITY THAT WILL HAVE OVERSIGHT TO KEEP THAT BURDEN ON THE CITY RATHER THAN ON RESIDENTS AND NEIGHBORS TO DO THAT ENFORCEMENT.

AS A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER, I'VE ALWAYS LOOKED AT REHABBING AND RESTORING HISTORIC PRESERVED STOREFRONTS.

I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A HUGE BARRIER TO GET REDEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR INNER CITY AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THOUGH THAT THIS IS WORKING.

YOU SEE IT IN VICTORY PARK, YOU SEE IT IN DEEP ELLUM, YOU SEE IT IN THE THEATERS NOW AROUND ARCADE.

THE ONLY REASON THOSE ARE BEING SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE ONE, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE SUCCESSFUL.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL TRANSIT, WE'RE HAVING THAT ADDITIONAL WALKABILITY.

I JUST WANTED TO THANK ANDREA AND JULIA FOR YOUR WORDS AND YOU'RE VERY ACCURATE ON THE PARKING ALONG THE STREET.

IT REALLY DOES PRESENT A BARRIER BETWEEN THOSE CARS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD AND THOSE FOLKS ON THE SIDEWALKS TO MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING SAFE FROM SPEEDING CARS OR SOMEONE DRIVING.

IT ACTUALLY REDUCES THE SPEED OF VEHICLES AS WELL.

YES, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING SURE THAT WE DO TAILOR THESE TWO SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT OVERALL, I LOOK FORWARD TO THE REPORT COMING BACK. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> MR. RESENDEZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST BRIEFLY WANTED TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS REVIEW.

IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE IN TERMS OF THIS NOT BEING A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL APPROACH.

ANDREA, YOU MENTIONED THAT PARKING IS EXPENSIVE, RIGHT?

>> VERY.

>> I GUESS FOR THE PUBLIC JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT PIECE.

HOW MUCH DOES SURFACE PARKING SPACE COST A BUILDER?

>> IT DEPENDS. IT MAY BE PROBABLY AROUND 5,000 PER SPOT.

THAT'S AGAIN, THE CHEAPEST. IT'S ONE SPOT.

>> THAT'S ONE SPOT. WHAT'S THE RANGE THOUGH? BETWEEN 5,000 AND WHAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE YOU CAN GET PROBABLY IF YOU GO CRAZY WITH ALL SORTS OF BIOSWALES OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

BUT AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SURFACE, THE REAL MONEY COMES IN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GARAGES.

>> OKAY.

>> THE MORE REAL.

>> YOU'RE READING MY MIND BECAUSE I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT GARAGE SPACES? HOW MUCH DOES EACH GARAGE SPACE COST?

>> AN ABOVE-GROUND ONE IS BETWEEN 20,000-40,000 PER SPOT.

>> WOW, OKAY.

>> THERE ARE SOME TRICKS TO IT.

IT HAS TO BE LIKE A CONCRETE STRUCTURE.

SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT PLAYS INTO IT. ALL THE RENTS.

AND I WILL MAKE ANOTHER POINT TO SAY THERE WAS A MOVEMENT TO TRY TO RETROFIT OLD GARAGES INTO OFFICE OR APARTMENTS.

IT IS HARD BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT.

THEY HAVE A SMALLER PLATE, THEIR SMALLER HEIGHT.

YOU CAN'T, AND TWO OTHER POINTS BOTH OF THEM AGAIN, CONCRETE IS NOT ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY.

>> RIGHT. THEN LASTLY, WHO BEARS THE BURDEN OF THIS, THE PARKING COST?

>> IT DEPENDS. IT CAN TRICKLE DOWN TO THE USER VIA INDUCED INFLATED COSTS.

AGAIN, IF IT'S FREE, THEREFORE IS GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN TO THE USER.

SO HE'S GOING TO TRANSFER INTO YOUR UNIT IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE.

STUDIES SHOW THAT A RENTAL UNIT THAT COMES WITH PARKING USUALLY HAS BETWEEN $2- $400 MORE PER RENT PER MONTH BECAUSE THAT COST HAS TO BE ABSORBED.

BUT IT MAY HAPPEN THAT SOME OF IT MAY BE CHARGED FOR.

THEN THERE'S THE DIRECT BASICALLY, COST OF IT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CHARGE FOR PARKING.

I CAN MAKE A LITTLE STUDY.

BUT EVERYTHING AGAIN, THE INCREASE OF PRICE OF THE MEAL AT THE RESTAURANT, EVERYTHING LIKE IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE.

THAT COST DOESN'T GO SOMEWHERE.

THE DEVELOPER IS NOT GOING TO LIKE, "OKAY, OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF [LAUGHTER]

>> MY HEART,

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I'M GOING TO GIFT YOU THIS PARKING SPOT." SOMEBODY IS GOING TO COST.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> COMMERCIAL TENANTS AND RESIDENTS?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> GOT IT. AWESOME. I REALLY APPRECIATE THOSE RESPONSES.

I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR EXPLORING THIS.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS, MR. MAYOR.

>> CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, AND I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY.

MR. WEST MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO HASH THIS ALL OUT BECAUSE IT WAS ABOUT PARKING DAY AND NOW HERE WE ARE AN HOURISH LATER HASHING IT ALL OUT.

ACTUALLY I WASN'T ON THE MEMO TO GET THIS, BUT UP HERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE WE BYPASS COMMITTEES, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST GOING TO BE FOR PARKING DAY, WHICH YAY, LET'S DO THAT.

I'D REALLY LIKE FOR US TO GET THIS INTO A COMMITTEE.

I DON'T CARE WHICH COMMITTEE IS TRANSPORTATION, HOUSING, WHEREVER THIS IS HUGE AND OBVIOUSLY STAFF NEED SOME DIRECTION.

WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THE COMMITTEE CPC HAS HAD 25 DIFFERENT MEETINGS ON THIS BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.

I'M HEARING ABOUT SUBURBAN DISTRICTS VERSUS URBAN DISTRICTS.

DISTRICTS 6 IS BOTH.

WE'RE SUBURBAN URBAN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

I PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST UNIQUE DISTRICT STRETCHING FROM FAR NORTH ALL THE WAY TO SOUTH OF 30, EAST OF I35.

I'VE GOT EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE HAS, PLUS A WHOLE LOT MORE.

SO PARKING IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.

IF WE GO INTO THE DESIGN DISTRICT, WHETHER YOU'RE IN WEST DALLAS VERSUS MIDWAY HOLLOW, BACHMAN LAKE, CYPRUS WATERS WHERE WE PROBABLY HAVE AN OVERABUNDANCE OF PARKING.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT, IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION, I JUST HOPE THAT WE CAN SAY YAY FOR PARKING DAY AND THEN LET'S CONTINUE THE WORK ON THIS AT A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME AND WITH THE APPROPRIATE ENTITIES THAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO GET THIS DONE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST ALL SAYING WHAT WE THINK AND FEEL VERSUS HAVING DATA IN FRONT OF US AND THINGS THAT WE CAN ACCESS.

SOME FOLKS, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ALL THE RIGHT DEPARTMENTS HERE IN ORDER TO ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS THAT ARE BEING ASKED. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, STATED EVERYTHING THAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY, I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HASH THIS OUT TODAY.

NUMBER 1, I BELIEVE THAT EVERY DISTRICT IS DIFFERENT.

MY DISTRICT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE PROBABLY A WHOLE LOT OF PARKING AND WE'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF LAND, WHOLE LOT OF SPACE.

WE WISH I WAS CONGESTED WITH RETAIL, SO WE CAN CHARGE FOR PARKING.

IT'S VARIOUS SECTIONS IN MY DISTRICT THAT WE CHARGE FOR PARKING RIGHT NOW, IN THE FUTURE WE PROBABLY WILL.

BUT THE POINT IS, I THINK THAT QUESTION TO YOU, WHEN ZOAC LOOKING AT THIS, ARE YOU LOOKING AT AS A CITY WIDE? I KNOW THAT ONCE THEY'RE ONE GLOVE DON'T FIT ALL ONE NET ONE SIZE FIT.

BUT HOW YOU REALLY LOOKING AT IT, ESPECIALLY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF TOWN WHICH YOU DO NOT HAVE, WHICH YOU DO HAVE VULNERABILITIES AND MORE LAND, YOU DON'T HAVE A PARKING ISSUE, BUT YOU HAVE PARKING ISSUES IN RESIDENTS MORE THAN A RESIDENT BUT NOT MORE IN TO THE RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL?

>> YES. WE ARE LOOKING AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY.

I WILL ALSO POINT THE FACT THAT THIS IS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS APPLICABLE BY ZONING DISTRICTS, BY LAND USES, AND IS APPLICABLE TO THE ENTIRE CITY UNLESS IT HAS SOME PDES OR OTHER VARIANCES THAT ADDRESSED THIS, EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT UNDER A PDE WOULD SAY WOULD HAVE AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT, WILL FEEL AN IMMEDIATE IMPACT FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT.

IT IS A CODE AMENDMENT.

THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT CODE IS NOT A POLICY OR A PLAN, IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE THE STANDARDS FOR BUILDING MOVING FORWARD BASED ON ZONING DISTRICTS, LAND USES, AND ALL OF THAT, WITH THE CAVEATS THAT COME INTO IT.

>> DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE WHEN WE THINK THAT ZOAC AND CPC WOULD PROBABLY FINISHED THIS PROJECT.

>> WE WERE TRYING IN MY TIMELINE SLIDE TO GUESS TO BE VERY AMBITIOUS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT WAS DISCUSSED, LIKE ZOAC USUALLY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION.

WE'RE COMING BACK, WE'RE WRITING THE PROPOSAL, WE'RE COMING BACK TO ZOAC IN FALL IN FEW WEEKS AND THEN ZOAC IS GOING TO TAKE WHATEVER TIME THEY NEED, CPC, WHATEVER TIME THEY NEED.

>> I NOTICED MIGHT BE THE PLACE AND TIME.

MR. CITY MANAGER, I KNOW WE PROBABLY CANNOT INSTRUCT ZOAC TO MOVE AS FAST,

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BUT WHAT CAN WE DO AND TRY TO MOVE THIS ISLAND DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN AN ACUTE FOOT OVER TWO OR THREE YEARS.

I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT A PROCESS AND PROCEDURES SO WE CAN GET IT TO A COUNCIL.

>> THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. I THINK THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED EARLIER AND I THINK WE DEFER TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CAN PLACE ON ZOAC.

I KNOW OUR TEAM WILL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION THEY NEED, THE ANALYSIS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD GO IN AND HELP THEM MAKE A DECISION.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S UP TO THE CHAIR AND OR THE BODY ITSELF, BUT I'LL DEFER TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO TELL ME WHAT WE CAN DO OR REQUIRE?

>> YES. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND THAT THE PROCESS IS UP TO THE CHAIR, SO THE CHAIR CAN MAKE THEIR DECISION.

I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO CAN MAKE DECISIONS SO WE KNOW HOW WE CAN GET IT BACK TO US SO SOMEONE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SOMEBODY ON YOUR STAFF, MR. CITY MANAGER.

>> I THINK BERT IS CONFERRING, I THINK SIMILAR TO THE STR ISSUE WHICH I BELIEVE WE PUT BEFORE THEM, WITH SOME UNDERSTANDING OF COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO HAVE THIS MOVE ALONG AT A MORE RAPID PACE.

I THINK THEY MET OUR REQUIREMENTS ON THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT GUIDANCE MIGHT BE NECESSARY.

BUT AGAIN, I'LL DEFER TO THE LEGAL PART OF WHAT WE CAN DO.

>> SO LEGAL CAN YOU LET US KNOW, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HEAR NOW.

WE'VE TRIED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IN SEALED INTO IN A CABOOSE.

>> I THINK MY STAFF IS LOOKING UP THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION RULES OF PROCEDURE ON HOW THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AND WE'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER IN JUST A MINUTE.

>> BURT VINTERBERG, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THE CPC RULES OF PROCEDURE, DIRECT ZOAC ACTUALLY VIEW ALL CODE AMENDMENTS.

HOWEVER, THE BODY ITSELF COULD SUSPEND THE RULES AND BRINGING THE ITEM STRAIGHT TO CPC.

>> THE BODY?

>> CORRECT, YES.

THEY COULD CONSIDER IT AT CITY PLANNING COMMISSION RATHER THAN AT ZOAC.

>> THE CHAIR COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT SAID HE COULD SPEND A [INAUDIBLE].

>> ANY MEMBER CAN [OVERLAPPING]

>> WE HAVE PUT ON THE AGENDA, AND THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A TWO-THIRDS VOTE, BUT I WOULDN'T NEED TO DOUBLE-CHECK THAT.

>> IS A TWO-THIRDS VOTE, OR A SIMPLE MAJORITY?

>> I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A TWO-THIRDS VOTE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE CHANGING THEIR ESTABLISHED RULES OF PROCEDURE.

>> SUSPENSION REQUIRES TWO-THIRDS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ. ANY RECORDS FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WHAT I WAS WONDERING DR. YUDREA IS IN DOING SO IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS BECAUSE YOU ARE DEEPLY IMMERSED AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THIS PROCESS.

IS THAT AN EXPEDITIOUS MOVE, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOW GOTTEN VERY ENGAGED WITH THIS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE ZOAC COMPLETING ITS WORK AND THEN GO INTO CPC, WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND PROFESSIONALLY IN TERMS OF BOTH THE PROCESS AS WELL AS THE TIMELINE?

>> WE WILL DO OUR BEST, AND THAT'S WHY IT TAKES US A LITTLE BIT TO COME WITH A PROPOSAL.

THAT THE PROPOSAL IS VERY CLEAR, AND VERY SIMPLE, AND VERY THOUGHTFUL THAT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A LOT OF TINGLING AND UNTANGLING.

THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT, AND THAT'S WHY AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING A LITTLE BIT TRYING TO PUT IN FRONT OF SOMETHING THAT IS VERY CLEAR.

BUT AGAIN, WE WILL DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO ADDRESS, COME PREPARED, HAVE DATA, BUT IN THE END OF THE DAY IS GOING TO BE THEIR DECISION.

>> OF COURSE, I'M NOT ASKING THAT.

WHAT I'M ASKING IS THERE'S INTEREST ON THE PART OF A COUNCIL TO ASK THAT IT MOVED DIRECTLY TO CPC.

I'M ASKING WHETHER OR NOT IS ZOAC NEAR FINISHED THEIR WORK AND JUST LET THEM FINISH IT OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE AN EXPEDITIOUS MOVE? A WORTHWHILE MOVE, I SHOULD HAVE SAID.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, ZOAC HAS A VERY GOOD COMPOSITION RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE SOME ARCHITECTS, WE HAVE VERY GOOD BALANCED VIEW AND VERY THOUGHTFUL ONES.

AGAIN, IT'S UP TO YOU.

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I WOULD MAKE A LITTLE POINT AND I'M OUT OF LINE, BUT I THINK THE CONVERSATION TODAY MAY SEND A STRONG MESSAGE THAT COUNCIL DOES SEE THIS AS A PRIORITY, SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE.

>> THANK YOU. CAN I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION TO CLARIFY WHILE I HAVE TIME? THAT IS FOR PARTS OF TOWN THAT ARE FULLY BUILT OUT THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT.

HOW WILL THIS POTENTIALLY IMPACT THEM? HARD. AS I WAS SAYING, AND WE MADE A STATEMENT IN ONE OF THE SLIDES, BARKING IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.

WE NEED TO FACTOR IN ALSO BEHAVIOR AND OBVIOUSLY THE EXISTING BUILT ENVIRONMENT.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE BARS THAT ARE FULLY BUILT OUT, THEY'RE BUILT OUT WITH A SUPPLY.

THEY'RE BUILT OUT WITH THE EXPECTATION OF THE USER TO FIND PARKING THERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS HARD TO BE UNDONE, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO DRIVE THE MARKET.

>> IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'VE GOT AN AREA OF TOWN THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, THEN THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY MANDATED CHANGE ON THEIR PARKING; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.

THE CODE I WAS GOING TO MAKE A DISTINCTION THAT THE ZONING CODE IS RATHER A CODE THAT PUTS LIMITATIONS RATHER THAN TO ENABLE.

WE WOULD PREFER TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS, BUT THEN LET THE CITY DEVELOP AND REACT IN ITS WAY.

THE PURPOSE OF THE CODE IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO PROHIBIT PARKING.

>> LET ME ASK IT A DIFFERENT WAY.

WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THIS IS FOR ALL OF US, AND I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME PROBLEMS AS CHAIR MENDELSOHN IN TERMS OF THEIR APARTMENTS AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE OF PARKING MINIMUMS, THAT WERE THERE, THE DEMOGRAPHIC HAS CHANGED IN TERMS OF THE VEHICULAR DEMAND OF THESE PARKING SPOTS.

TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE COST, THE APARTMENT DEVELOPERS IN THE '70S OR THEY BUILT PER THE CODE, AND THEY PUT IN THE MINIMUM NUMBER THAT WERE REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S EXPENSIVE, AND SO NOW THERE'S MORE VEHICLES AND SO THE PEOPLE ARE PARKING ON STREET PARKING WAY LONGER THAN 24 HOURS, ETC.

BUT THIS REGULATION ISN'T GOING TO IMPACT THAT PROBLEM.

IS THAT CORRECT? UNLESS SOMEONE READ DEVELOPS?

>> EXACTLY NO, BECAUSE THAT'S BEING BUILT OUT.

I WOULD ALSO IN OUR RESEARCH AND IN OUR DATA GATHERING, WHICH IS VERY LIMITED BECAUSE DEVELOPERS DON'T USUALLY LIKE TO SHARE THAT TYPE OF DATA AND WHY DID WE SEE AT CPC AND PERMITTING, DEVELOPMENTS ARE OVER-PARKED. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> BUT I CAN TELL YOU. I UNDERSTAND THAT IN GENERAL AS A CITY AND THAT'S WHERE THE PUSHBACK IS GOING TO COME FROM.

SOME OF THE MORE SUBURBAN-STYLE OLDER APARTMENTS.

TRUST ME, THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT OVER-PARKED.

NOW, THAT SAID, IS THIS GOING TO HAVE ANY MAXIMUM? IF THERE WAS A NEW APARTMENT DEVELOPER OR WHATEVER AND THEY WANTED TO PUT IN FIVE SPOTS PER BEDROOM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LEASE TO A GROUP THAT WILL HAVE FIVE CARS FOR BEDROOM, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

THIS WON'T HAVE MAXIMUMS, IT'S MINIMUMS, CORRECT?

>> ABSOLUTELY. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL OR NOT, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT A PROPOSAL, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN MAXIMUMS, MINIMUMS, AND PROHIBITING PARKING.

EVEN MAXIMUM IS STILL.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> EXACTLY. THAT'S WHERE I THINK TO THE CHALLENGE THAT SHARE MENDELSOHN FACES I FACE AND PROBABLY CHAIR STUART.

SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE SOME SUBURBAN OR '70S AND '80S BUILT APARTMENTS, WE MIGHT FIGURE OUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS ON-STREET PARKING CHALLENGE AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE MINIMUMS THAT WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE DENSER PARTS OF TOWN THAT ARE IN FLUX.

I THINK WE HAVE IN OUR STABILITY AREAS THAT ARE NOT CHANGING, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THEM AT DIFFERENT WAY AND WE ALL DO FACE THAT EXACT SAME PROBLEM, AND SO I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK TOGETHER ON A PROCESS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ON STREET PARKING ISSUES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE WHO HASN'T SPOKEN YET.

WHO'S THAT REMOTELY? MR. MORENO, IS THAT YOU?

>> YES.

>> I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU AFTER CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN FOR ROUND 2 THEN, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET TO ROUND 2, UNLESS YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE LIKE A MOTION OF SOME SORT.

CHAIRMAN MENDELSOHN YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES AND THEN CHAIRMAN MORENO YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. YOU'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE COST OF THE DEVELOPERS FOR PARKING, BUT WHAT IS THE COST OF THE DALLAS TAXPAYER TO PAVE A ROAD THAT THEN BECOMES ON STREET PARKING?

>> I'M SORRY, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO RESEARCH THAT.

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I DON'T KNOW THE COST OF BUILDING ROADS.

>> IS PUBLIC WORKS AVAILABLE? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GIVE A LAY MILE COSTS FOR BOTH ASPHALT AND CONCRETE?

>> GOOD MORNING. ALI HATEFI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

THE COST PER LAY MILE FOR CONCRETE STRICTLY DEPENDS ON THE FUNCTIONALITY OF IT.

THE MAJOR ONE IS $3.5-7 MILLION PER LAY MINE.

BUT WE HAVE LOWER NUMBERS ALSO, DEPENDS ON THE CLASSIFICATION.

>> IT APPEARS TO ME WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST DEFERRING THIS COST FROM THE DEVELOPERS TO THE TAXPAYERS WHO ARE THEN GOING TO HAVE TO BOTH PAY THAT AND MAINTAIN THAT ROAD.

MY QUESTION IS, WILL YOU REQUIRE NO ON STREET PARKING OR PARKING METERS NEXT TO APARTMENTS WITH THIS NEW CODE?

>> IF I COULD CLARIFY, THE CODE AMENDMENT THAT WAS AUTHORIZED WAS SPECIFICALLY FOR OFF STREET PARKING, NOT ON THE STREET.

>> RIGHT. BUT BY NOT HAVING OFF STREET PARKING, YOU ARE CREATING ON STREET PARKING.

>> YEAH. I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD EARLIER WITH COUNCILMAN [INAUDIBLE] OVER THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND THOUGHTFUL TO UNDERSTAND THAT PARKING WILL STILL BE PROVIDED.

>> WITH NO PARKING MINIMUM, WILL YOU THEN REQUIRE ADJACENCY? THE ON STREET PARKING THAT IS NEXT TO THOSE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, THAT THEY WILL EITHER HAVE NO PARKING AVAILABLE SIGNS, NO PARKING ALLOWED, OR PARKING METERS.

>> ONE OF OUR PILLARS, AS I SAID, WAS RELYING ON THE CURB MANAGEMENT POLICY THAT PROPOSES.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE EXACTLY SAYING WHAT I'M SAYING.

WHICH IS, YOU KNOW THAT BY NOT HAVING A PARKING MINIMUM, THAT THEY WILL USE THE CURB FOR PARKING, AND YOU ARE OFFSETTING THE COST FROM THE DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE PARKING TO THE TAXPAYER TO PROVIDE THE CURB, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN ENTIRE LANE THAT COULD BE USED FOR TRAFFIC, COULDN'T [INAUDIBLE]

>> I WOULD MAKE AGAIN THE SAME POINT THAT WE MADE DURING THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS.

THE NUMBER OF SPOTS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF ON A CURB, THEY ARE LIMITED AND THEY ARE WAY LESS THAN WHAT USUALLY YOU NEED IN A GARAGE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A GARAGE OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT HAS HUNDREDS OF PARKING SPACES AND THEY CANNOT PHYSICALLY BE FIT ON THE STREET RIGHT AWAY.

THEN THE SECOND POINT I WANTED TO MAKE IS THAT THE CITY DOES CONTROL THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND WE CAN COME UP WITH TOOLS TO CONTROL OVER SPILL IF WE NOTICED THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN.

>> OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU FORESHADOWING FOR ALL OF YOU, THERE ARE LINES 30 PLUS CARS PARKED IN FRONT OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES ALL UP AND DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OFF STREET PARKING.

IN TALKING ABOUT CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ'S QUESTION, WILL THERE BE ANY AVAILABILITY FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO HAVE ANY RETROACTIVE PARKING ADJUSTMENTS?

>> I WILL HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THEY FULLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

>> FAIR ENOUGH.

>> I DON'T KNOW. I'LL THINK ABOUT IT.

>> WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU TRUST THE DEVELOPER, DECIDE HOW MUCH PARKING THERE SHOULD BE AND THERE ISN'T ENOUGH, THEN WHAT?

>> AS I SAID, THERE ARE FEW PILLARS AND WE WILL RELY HEAVILY THE SAME WE DO RIGHT NOW ON THIS TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT TO DISCUSS AND MOVE AT PERMITTING THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE ACCESS.

WE'RE CREATING THIS TOOL.

WE DO IT WITH TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS ANYWAY.

FOR INSTANCE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHEN WE HAVE A MEGA DEVELOPMENT WE REQUIRE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS.

EVERYTHING IS FLUID.

OBVIOUSLY, IT IS A TRUST RELATIONSHIP.

BUT THE SECOND THE PROBLEMS ARISE, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE TOOLS IN PLACE.

>> MY TIME WAS NOT PAUSED. THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY. I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT IN MY DISTRICT.

THEY ASSURED US THERE'D BE NO CHILDREN, THERE WOULD BE NO IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

AS IT TURNS OUT, MORE THAN HALF THE COMPLEX IS FULL OF CHILDREN, AND SO EVEN WHEN A DEVELOPER SUSPECTS, MAYBE THEY WON'T NEED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING OR THEY WON'T HAVE AN IMPACT FOR THE SCHOOLS,

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I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY HOW IT PLAYS OUT, AND SO I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER WHAT THE TOOLS ARE TO REQUIRE THEM TO THEN CREATE PARKING, WHETHER THAT MEANS GIVING UP ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE THAT THEY JUST DIDN'T DEVELOP OR TAKING THEIR SURFACE LOT AND MAKING THAT STRUCTURE PARKING.

BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE PROJECTION THEY HAVE FOR PARKING.

YOU HAVE ON SLIDE 15 THAT YOUR GOAL IS TO REDUCE VEHICLE MILES INSTEAD OF REDUCING TRAFFIC DELAYS.

I THINK THAT IS COMPLETELY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IT SHOULD BE.

REDUCING MILES IS ALREADY HAPPENING BECAUSE OF WORK FOR HOME AND CHANGES BECAUSE OF COVID, BUT YOU LITERALLY COULD NOT CHANGE THE NUMBER OF MILES I DRIVE.

I AM REQUIRED TO LIVE IN DISTRICT 12 AND I'M REQUIRED TO BE AT CITY HALL.

BY THE WAY, TRANSPORTATION DESERT, IT WOULD TAKE TWO HOURS FOR ME TO GET HERE ON DART.

IN FACT, THE DART TRIP WANTS ME TO ACTUALLY DRIVE SOMEWHERE FIRST.

THIS IS NOT WHAT THE GOAL SHOULD BE.

IT SHOULD BE TO HELP PEOPLE GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO EXPEDITIOUSLY.

THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT WE LIVE IN A REGION AND NOT AN ISOLATED TOWN.

WE HAVE LOTS OF PEOPLE COMING IN THAT ARE NOT PART OF ANY TRANSIT AGENCY AND THEY NEED PARKING.

INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING TO DEVELOPERS, I HOPE YOU'LL GO BACK AND TALK TO EMPLOYERS WHO HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING, INCLUDING AT CITY HALL WHERE YOU AS EMPLOYEES PAY FOR PARKING AND TALK TO RESIDENTS WHO ARE COMING IN BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHEN IT COSTS SO MUCH TO PARK DOWN HERE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SMALL COMMENT, IF POSSIBLE.

>> MAKE IT AS SMALL AS YOU CAN.

>> THANK YOU. SLIDE 15 IS A COPY PASTE FROM A VOTED CITY POLICY BY THIS BODY.

IT'S NOT A GOAL OF OUR PARKING REFORM, IS YOUR GOAL THAT YOU ESTABLISHED FOR THE CITY AND WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT.

THE REDUCTION IN VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED IS NOT WHAT WE PROPOSE.

THIS IS WHAT THE CITY ALREADY VOTED ON.

>> OKAY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T HAVE A QUEUE ANYMORE. IT'S GONE.

IT WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO OH, YES.

ALL RIGHT. CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I KNOW YOU'RE OUT HERE HEARING UP TO 15 DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND PROPOSALS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

I DON'T WANT TO ADD UNKNOWN TO OUR DEVELOPERS WHO ARE ALREADY EXPERIENCING CONCERN WITH OUR PERMITTING PROCESS AND HOW THAT CAN POTENTIALLY ADD TWO MORE TIME AND UNCERTAINTY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PASS THAT ALONG AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY HAVING 15 DIFFERENT PARKING CODE AMENDMENTS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

FINDING SOME CONSISTENCY, BUT ALSO RESPECTING THE WISHES OF OUR COLLEAGUES, IT'S CRITICAL.

I JUST WANT TO SHOUT OUT TO OUR PARKS FOR DOWNTOWNS FOR CONVERTING PARKING LOTS INTO PARKS.

WHETHER IT'S DOWNTOWN OR ALL THE WAY UP NORTH, SOUTH.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE'RE DOING CURRENTLY.

I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT A DECREASE IN PARKING WILL RESULT IN AN INCREASE OF A TRANSIT USE AND AN INCREASE IN RIDESHARE AND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO GET AROUND OUR CITY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> I'VE GOT MY QUEUE BACKUP AND I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION FOR ITEM D. I THINK THE SAME AGE AND I'VE TALKED

[A. 23-2198 DFW International Airport Board FY 2024 Budget]

AND I THINK THAT THE WORK PLAN NOW IS TO TAKE UP ITEM A, WHICH IS DFW ISSUE BEFORE WE TAKE A LUNCH BREAK AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK FOR THE REMAINING ITEMS AFTER LUNCH.

MR. CITY MANAGER, YOU CAN CONTINUE ON WITH YOUR BRIEFINGS, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

CHRIS POINSATTE, CFO FOR THE DFW AIRPORT, IS HERE TO BREED THE CITY COUNCIL ON THEIR FY2324 BUDGET.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS NOW. CHRIS, GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I KNOW I'LL BE BRIEF HERE.

SINCE YOU HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE.

CAN WE GO TO THE FIRST SLIDE THERE, LILLIAN, PLEASE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THANK YOU.

THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF OUR FY24 BUDGET.

IT REFLECTS RECORD GROWTH FOR THE AIRPORT, RECORD PASSENGERS,

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RECORD NON-AIRLINE REVENUES, AND RECORD NON-NET REVENUES FOR THE DFW CAPITAL ACCOUNT.

YOU CAN SEE OUR PASSENGERS ARE PROJECTED AT 81.6 MILLION.

WE HAVE RECORD REVENUES FROM NON-AIRLINE SOURCES OF 520 MILLION.

OUR EXPENDITURE BUDGET IS $1.2 BILLION, WHICH IS A 6.7 PERCENT INCREASE.

THIS YEAR, WE USED THE REMAINING 100 MILLION DOLLARS OF FEDERAL RELIEF PROCEEDS THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR TO REDUCE AIRLINE TERMINAL RENTS.

WHAT THE AIRLINES ARE PAYING THIS YEAR, EXCLUDING THAT AMOUNT WILL BE 613 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT A 6.8 PERCENT INCREASE, AND THE COST ON A PER EMPLOYMENT BASIS WOULD BE ABOUT A 1.9 PERCENT INCREASE.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS A COMPARISON OF PASSENGERS.

YOU CAN SEE WE ARE AT 81.6 MILLION.

THAT'S UP ABOUT 11.4 PERCENT FROM PRE-PANDEMIC AND 2019.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU DFW COST CENTER REVENUES, WHICH ARE THE NON-AIRLINE REVENUE SOURCES.

WE HAVE FULLY RECOVERED FROM COVID AND ARE GROWING STRONG.

YOU CAN SEE PRE-COVID IN 19, WE'RE AT 399, AND WE'RE PROJECTING $520 MILLION THIS YEAR.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

WE SHARE OUR NET REVENUES FROM NON-AIRLINE SOURCES WITH THE AIRLINES.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TOTAL IS GOING DOWN OF THE NET REVENUES, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF OUR NEW USE AGREEMENT BUSINESS ARRANGEMENT.

BUT IF YOU FOCUS ON THE DARK BLUE COMPONENT, THAT'S WHAT WE GET TO KEEP AND WE'RE SLIGHTLY UP FROM FY23.

THEN DOWN BELOW IS WHAT WE SHARE WITH THE AIRLINES AND WE ARE NOW SHARING TO REDUCE TERMINAL RENTS, WHICH IS IN THE ORANGE VERSUS THE AIRLINES ARE LANDING FEES, WHICH IS IN THE LIGHT BLUE THAT WAS PART OF OUR NEW USE AGREEMENT.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS IS A SUMMARY OF OUR EXPENDITURE BUDGET OR OPERATING COSTS ARE UP 7.8 PERCENT DUE TO PRIMARILY INCREASED PASSENGERS, FIXED CONTRACT INCREASES INFLATION, AND CONTINUED INVESTMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY.

OUR DEBT SERVICE BUDGET IS UP 5.5 PERCENT, PRIMARILY DUE TO FUNDING OF OUR NEW CAPITAL PROGRAM.

CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MIGHT BE INTERESTED THAT IN OUR NEW USE AGREEMENT, WE HAVE RECEIVED APPROVAL OF TERMINAL F, ALSO RECEIVED APPROVAL TO TEAR DOWN AND RECONSTRUCT TERMINAL C.

IT'LL END UP IN A TOTAL OF 24 NEW CONTACT GATES AND SEVEN NEW WALKOUT HARD STANDS.

THAT'LL BE PART OF TERMINAL F. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE YOU CAN SEE THE TRENDING OF BOTH DEBT SERVICE AND OPERATING EXPENSES.

THEN IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WILL SHOW YOU THE WALK FORWARD OF OUR OPERATING EXPENSE BUDGET.

WE ARE GOING $623 MILLION TO 672 MILLION.

WE HAVE 10.8 MILLION OF BUDGET REDUCTIONS.

WE HAVE $19 MILLION OF FIXED COST INCREASES, WHICH IS PRIMARILY DUE TO ELECTRICITY, IT'S BEEN EIGHT YEARS SINCE WE'VE RABID THAT CONTRACT.

JANITORIAL SKYPE LINK AND MAPS CONTRACTS, EMPLOYEE-RELATED INCREASES.

WE HAVE A 4 PERCENT MERIT POOL FOR EMPLOYEES, DPS INCREASES, AND WE ALSO ARE REDUCING OUR VACANCY RATE ASSUMPTION FROM 13-10 PERCENT, WHICH MEANS WE'RE BUDGETING FOR MORE POSITIONS.

WE HAVE AN EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS CONTINGENCY WHICH WILL USE PRIMARILY FOR WINTER WEATHER THIS YEAR, AND THAT IS BEING RESTORED.

WE HAVE NUMEROUS INVESTMENTS IN DIGITAL TECHNOLOGY, INCLUDING NETWORK UPGRADES, CAMPUS-WIDE WIRELESS CYBER SECURITY.

CUSTOMER-RELATED INCREASES RELATE TO BUSING AND WHEELCHAIR ASSISTANCE PRIMARILY, AND THE OTHER INCREASES OR SIGNAGE, ASSET ASSESSMENTS, AND LEGAL COSTS.

THEY'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

THIS SHOWS YOU AIRLINE COST AND COST PER ENPLANEMENTS TRENDING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

YOU CAN SEE THAT COSTS ARE UP 6.85 AND 1.95, EXCLUDING THE FEDERAL RELIEF PROCEEDS WHICH ARE IN ORANGE.

THEN FINALLY, THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE BUDGET WE'RE REQUESTING THAT YOU APPROVE.

IT'D BE $1.25 BILLION.

THAT INCLUDES A $10 MILLION CONTINGENCY THAT IS CONTROLLED BY OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

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IT'S NOT IN THE RATE RATE BASE, BUT WE'VE BEEN REQUESTING CITY COUNCILS APPROVAL OF THAT FOR THE PAST 12 OR 13 YEARS NOW, AND THAT'S VERY HELPFUL IF REVENUES EXCEED NON-AIRLINE REVENUES EXCEED OUR BUDGET, THE BOARD CAN APPROVE SOME STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS.

THEN FINALLY ON THE LAST SLIDE IS SLIDE WE SHOW YOU EVERY YEAR IT'S OUR TAX SHARING.

THE REVENUE SPLIT BETWEEN THE HOST CITIES AND THE OWNER CITIES, AND THE BOTTOM LINE FOR 22 WAS THAT DALLAS RECEIVED $13.1 MILLION, WHICH WAS ALMOST A 35 PERCENT INCREASE.

THAT WAS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE RENTAL CAR FACILITY AND THE FACT THAT RATES WENT UP SO MUCH DURING COVID.

THAT'S A QUICK PRESENTATION.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU, CHRIS. I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

REMEMBERS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. POINSATTE? CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM A FOR THE PUBLIC.

>> THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK YOU HAVE AN ENVIABLE BUDGET.

EVERYONE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS AND YOUR BALANCE SHEET LOOKS GREAT.

THE 13 MILLION, 13.1 MILLION THAT DALLAS IS RECEIVED FROM THE AIRPORT, IS THAT INCLUSIVE OF SALES TAX OR NO?

>> THAT'S ALL TYPES OF TAXES, CORRECT FROM THE HOST CITIES.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND FIRST, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND STAYING IN CONTACT AND CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WHEN IT COMES TO DFW AIRPORT, IT IS OUR NUMBER 1 ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR DALLAS-FORT WORTH, BUT ALSO FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

OUR PARTNERSHIP HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE OVER THE YEARS.

ONE THING BEFORE I ASK IS GOING INTO SOME OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IS IF YOU DON'T MIND GETTING TO ME, A BREAKDOWN OF MWBE FOR PROJECT MANAGEMENT, CONSTRUCTION AND CONCESSIONS CURRENTLY, AS WELL AS ANYTHING THAT COMES FOR THE FUTURE, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE TERMINALS THAT ARE GETTING READY TO BE EXPANDED AND BUILT.

IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY UP TO THAT SO IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST GETTING THAT TO ME.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE I MENTIONED CONCESSIONS IS THE PARTNERSHIP YOU DID WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR THE DALLAS BRIDGE.

THAT IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR THE BRIDGE, FOR THEM TO GAIN EXTRA DOLLARS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL HELP OUR UNHOUSED RESIDENTS HERE IN OUR CITY IN ORDER TO GET MORE SERVICES.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP.

IT WAS INCREDIBLE AND I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING IT AND THEY SPEND A LITTLE MONEY AND THEY GET TO LEAVE FEELING GOOD THAT THEY DID SOMETHING FOR THEIR FELLOW SISTERS AND BROTHERS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT COLLEAGUES AT THE $800 MILLION IN FEDERAL MONEY THAT DFW AIRPORT RECEIVED FROM THE INFRASTRUCTURE ACT THAT PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN SIGNED WILL TAKE ABOUT 10 PERCENT OFF OF THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE EXPANSION AND THAT IS A BIG, BIG DEAL.

I MEAN, I WISH WE COULD GET MORE OF THOSE DOLLARS AS WE'RE WORKING ON THEM FOR SOME OF OUR PROJECTS BECAUSE TAKING 10 PERCENT AND AS WE LIKE TO SAY, USING OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY FOR THAT IS ALWAYS INCREDIBLE ON ANYTHING.

SO CONGRATULATIONS TO THAT JOB, WELL DONE AND CONTINUE THAT.

THE OTHER HIGHLIGHT I WANTED TO MAKE COLLEAGUES, IS AS YOU ALL KNOW A YEAR AGO WE HAD TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND DFW AIRPORT IS DOING $18 AN HOUR THIS YEAR FOR THEIR STARTING EMPLOYEES THAT ARE AT THE STARTING JOBS.

THE REST OF THE JOBS ARE OBVIOUSLY HIGHER AND YOU HEARD 4 PERCENT INCREASES ACROSS THE BOARD FOR OTHER EMPLOYEE SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I KNOW THAT THE EMPLOYEES ARE LOVING IT AND IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO WHERE TO GO TO WORK AND KNOW THAT YOU WORK IN HONEST HOUR OF WORK AND YOU GET AN HONEST AMOUNT OF PAY IN ORDER TO SUPPORT YOUR FAMILY AND WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH YOUR DOLLARS, WHY YOU'RE COMING TO WORK AND I KNOW THAT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

THE NEXT THING IS WITH ALL OF THIS IS I LIKE TO SAY IS THAT DFW AIRPORT, MR. MAYOR, CONTINUES TO BE THE TOP AIRPORT, NOT JUST IN THIS AREA, BUT ACROSS THE NATION AND WE'RE A TOP AIRPORT IN THE WORLD AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE VERY PROUD OF.

THAT WE OWN 7/11 OF THAT AND YOU ALL ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB AND ALSO WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO ALL OF OUR APPOINTEES ON THE DFW AIRPORT BOARD BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB AS GREAT QUESTIONS REALLY TAKES TO HEART WHAT THEIR JOB IS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT DFW AIRPORT IS NOT JUST A SUCCESSFUL AIRPORT, BUT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AIRPORT HERE IN THE NATION AND I LOVE THAT THEY'RE

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BECOMING THE TOP AIRPORT IN THE WORLD AND WE WON'T STOP UNTIL WE GET THAT NUMBER 1 SPOT IN THE WORLD MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MS. WILLS YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. OVER HERE.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WELL, IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE THIS GROWTH.

THIS HELPS DRIVE THE ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THE WHOLE REGION.

BUT IN DALLAS, I KNOW WE'RE REALLY EXCITED SINCE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL NEW CONVENTION CENTER AND A FEW YEARS.

I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT THE REDO OF TERMINAL C THAT DESPERATELY NEEDS THAT, BUT THEN ALSO ABOUT TERMINAL F. I THINK THIS IS GOING TO WORK IN TANDEM REAL WELL.

I NOTICED YOU'VE GOT THE 6.7 PERCENT INCREASE IN THE BUDGET.

BUT YOU ALSO MENTIONED BUDGET REDUCTIONS OF $10.8 MILLION.

I MAY HAVE MISSED WHERE YOU ALL FOUND THOSE REDUCTIONS EVEN IN THE FACE BUDGET INCREASES.

WHERE DID YOU FIND THOSE?

>> WERE THEIR BUDGET REDUCTIONS SO IN SOME CASES WHERE WE HAVE ONETIME PROJECTS THAT WE APPROVE IN ONE YEAR, WE REDUCE THOSE OUT OF THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, SO SOME OF THAT WAS FOR SOME ONETIME ASSESSMENTS.

WE ALSO DID SOME INSOURCING THOUGH WE'VE BEEN USING CONTRACT EMPLOYEES IN ITS AND THAT DROVE SOME OF THAT SAVINGS ALSO.

>> OKAY. SO NO REAL CUTS.

IT WAS MORE RELATED TO THE ONE TIME?

>> UNFORTUNATELY, YES.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES ON ITEM A.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST I'M JUST GOING TO CHIME IN REAL FAST BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO LUNCH.

BUT I DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT PART OF YOUR GROWTH AND AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH CELEBRATING BUSINESSES THAT ADD TO THE REVENUE AT THE AIRPORT, I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS WITH DISTRICT 4 CONNECTIONS WHO PARTNER WITH DIRT AND A WHISKEY TO OPEN UP THE NEW RESTAURANT AT THE AIRPORT.

SO I WAS EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT THE END AT THE AIRPORT.

IT'S A FANTASTIC LOCATION AND I KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP BOOST THAT REVENUE FOR YEARS TO COME.

I DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT, PARTICULARLY FOR DON MITCHELL AND LEWICKI AND HIS PARTNERS SO I DID WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNEW THAT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM A? I DON'T SEE ANYONE, SO CHRIS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND IT IS TRUE IT IS A GREAT AIRPORT AND IT DOES STAND UP VERY WELL INTERNATIONALLY.

I JUST GOT BACK FROM A VISIT IN THE AIRPORTS IN LONDON, HEATHROW, AND MUNICH AND I'M PROUD TO SAY BETTER THAN BOTH OF THOSE FOR SURE.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> APPRECIATE IT.

>> MR. CITY MANAGER, I'M THROWING IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE YOU THROW IT BACK TO ME.

>> ARE WE GOING TO DO CONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU INDICATED AND THEN GO TO LUNCHTIME? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

>> YOU SHOULD [INAUDIBLE].

>> WE'RE READY. YES, WE'LL COME BACK AND IF THE COUNCIL SO DESIRES WILL DO BUDGET FIRST AND THEN WE'LL DO RANSOMWARE AFTER THE BUDGET.

>> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. I NEED TO READ THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE AS YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

IT IS NOW 11:40 AM ON SEPTEMBER 6, 2023, THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551 POINT.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> NO.

>> NO WERE NOT GOING.

>> WERE NOT?

>> NO, YOU'LL READ THAT WHEN WE GET DOWN WITH BUDGET AFTER THAT.

>> WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING NOW.

>> NO WERE NOT. WE'RE GOING TO DO.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> NEVER MIND.

[LAUGHTER]

>> MY RECOMMENDATION OR THOUGHTS WOULD BE WE WOULD COME BACK AND WE'LL DO THE BUDGET AMENDMENT ITEM IN THE ORDER THAT IT SHOULD BE AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW THAT WITH THE BRIEFING ON RANSOMWARE AND THEN THAT IS AFTER THE BUDGET YOU WILL READ THE STATUTORY.

>> OKAY, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO EXIST UNTIL, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO LUNCH, COME BACK BUDGET THEN EXEC.

>> YES.

>> OKAY. THEN GUYS WILL JUST SAY THEN WE WILL RECONVENE AT 01:00.

WE DON'T HAVE A SESSION RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST PURE LUNCH, SO SEE YOU GUYS AT 01:00.

[MUSIC]

>> OKAY. THE TIME IS 01:21 P.M. AND WE ARE BACK IN REGULAR SESSION AND AS COUNCIL MEMBERS START TO MAKE THEIR WAY TO THEIR SEATS, I WANT TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE SOME TIME TO LET US KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS AND EXPLAIN WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN NEXT.

I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. BROADNAX, SO YOU CAN CONTINUE WITH OUR BRIEFINGS FOR TODAY AND OTHER ITEMS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND GOOD AFTERNOON.

[B. 23-2199 FY 2023-24 & FY 2024-25 Budget Discussion and Amendments *For budget purposes, the City Council will be sitting as a Committee of the Whole.]

THANK YOU FOR THE COUNCIL'S CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IN THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

TODAY WE WILL CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION ON THE FISCAL YEAR 2023/24, AND THE 2024/25 BIANNUAL BUDGET.

WE PRESENTED TO YOU THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED BIENNIAL BUDGET ON AUGUST 8TH.

AS OF FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST, WE HAVE RECEIVED 64 AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGET.

ONE FROM THE CITY MANAGER,

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AS IN OUR OFFICE, AS WELL AS 63 FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED EACH AMENDMENT AND HAVE NOTED THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE NOT BALANCED WITH A SPECIFIC SOURCE OF FUNDS IDENTIFY TO COVER THE FULL AMOUNT OF THE DESIRED USE OF THOSE FUNDS.

TODAY, EACH AMENDMENT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU AND STRAW VOTES WILL BE CAST.

EACH OF YOU HAVE RECEIVED A COLORED CARD, RED AND GREEN.

JUST GREEN, OKAY.

A GREEN CARD.

IF YOU ARE IN FAVOR AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO READ, I GUESS, IF YOU ARE AGAINST, AMENDMENTS THAT HAVE A MAJORITY SUPPORT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET ORDINANCE, WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU FOR APPROVAL ON FIRST READING, AFTER A VERY SHORT RECESS, IF NECESSARY.

STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS TODAY.

MAYOR, I WILL TURN THE PROCESS OVER TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER.

IN THIS AGE OF FRAGILITY, WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THE RED CARDS BECAUSE IF IT'S TOO HURTFUL, JUST ONLY HAVE THE GREEN CARDS NOW.

BUT THE ONLY PROCESSING I HAVE TO ADD BEFORE WE JUMP RIGHT INTO THIS IS, AS FAR AS AMENDMENTS GO, I DON'T CARE WHAT ORDER WE TAKE THEM UP IN OTHER THAN I'M GOING TO TAKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE AMENDMENTS, I WILL SAY YOUR TOP RIGHTS HAVE WHATEVER ONE YOU WANT TO GO FIRST WITH FOR WHATEVER REASON.

THEN WE'LL GO TO ANOTHER MEMBER FOR THEIR FIRST ONE AND WE'LL JUST KEEP GOING AROUND UNTIL EVERYONE'S EXHAUSTED.

BUT WE WON'T HAVE SOMEONE DO 30 AMENDMENTS WHILE SOMEONE WHO HAS ONE HAS TO WAIT ALL DAY TO DO THEIR ONE.

EVERYONE'S GOING TO DO, THE ONE THAT'S THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR WHATEVER REASON IT'S THEIR HIGHEST PRIORITIES.

I SEE, CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, I SEE YOU REMOTELY.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

PLEASE IF YOU HEARD WHAT I JUST SAID, BUT PLEASE ONLY LAY OUT YOUR TOP OR YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT THAT YOU WANT TO LAY OUT. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE AMENDMENT 28A, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COUNCIL TODAY.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, SO DISCUSSION CHAIRMAN, BAZALDUA.

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF.

I BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND IN A SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE.

IT INCLUDES A LOT OF THE USE OF FUNDS THAT WAS DESIRED FROM WHAT WAS TURNED IN BY THE COUNCIL LAST FRIDAY.

THIS ALSO BRINGS A TAX RATE REDUCTION OF $0.35, WHICH GETS IT TO A TOTAL OF $0.01.

A COUPLE OF ITEMS THAT IN HERE FOR THE USE OF FUNDS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, THAT WERE ITEMS I WAS HOPING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED IN THIS BUDGET IS $750,000, WHICH IS FUNDING FOR LAWN EQUIPMENT TRANSITION PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION FOR A FEW YEARS NOW ON IMPLEMENTING.

THIS IS TO GIVE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PROGRAM TO THEN START ISSUING SUBSIDIES FOR THE TRANSITION OF GAS-POWERED LAWN EQUIPMENT TO ELECTRIC.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S $1 MILLION INCLUDED IN THIS AMENDMENT FOR THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

FOR US TO HAVE A MORE IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION ON SOME ALTERNATIVE APPROACHES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE EXPLORING, INCLUDING TRANSITIONAL HOUSING WITH LOW PERRIER OUTSIDE OF IN ADDITION TO THE EFFORTS THAT THE OPPOSITE HOMELESS SOLUTIONS ARE ALREADY DOING FOR OUR HOMELESS OUTREACH.

THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER USE OF FUNDS INCLUDED ON THIS AMENDMENT THAT WERE INSPIRED BY OTHER MEMBERS, AS I MENTIONED, PUTTING THINGS IN AND I'LL LET THEM EXPAND ON.

WITH THAT, I HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THIS APPROVED AND DROP THE TAX RATE AND START WORKING ON THIS BUDGET. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I SEE CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN FOR FIVE-MINUTES, YOU RECOGNIZE.

>> I MOVE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO CHANGE THE USE OF FUNDS TO ALL TAX REDUCTION.

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

ANY DISCUSSION, CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU HAVE FIVE-MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT. YOU HAVE DISCUSSION.

>> APPRECIATE THE ROBUST SOURCE OF FUNDS LISTED BY CHAIR BAZALDUA, AND APPRECIATE THAT HE WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH OTHER THINGS.

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BUT I THINK THAT WE KNOW THAT WE MUST REDUCE OUR TAX RATE BY MORE THAN $0.01.

HERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

THIS WOULD BE MORE THAN $0.02.

I HOPE EVERYONE WILL SUPPORT OUR RESIDENTS BY SUPPORTING A TAX REDUCTION. THANK YOU.

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>> YOU CAN STATE YOUR POINT.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER WHILE I NEED SOMEONE TO LOOK AT MY Q AND GET IT BACK UP ONLINE OR OFFLINE AGAIN.

YES. MR. BAZALDUA, GO AHEAD.

>> I'D LIKE TO JUST GET CLARIFICATION ON THE STRAW VOTE PROCESS AND AMENDING EACH AMENDMENT THAT EACH MEMBER HAS AN ABILITY TO PUT FORTH.

I HAVE NOTE IN 40 YEARS OF DOING BUDGETING AMENDMENTS BE AMENDED WITHOUT IT BEING AN AMENDMENT THEMSELVES.

>> WE'RE LOOKING INTO THAT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IF SOMEONE CAN PLEASE LOOK AT MY MACHINE, THAT'LL BE HELPFUL.

OF COURSE NOW THAT MY MACHINE IS COMPLETELY GONE, I'M COMPLETELY HELPLESS BECAUSE I SEE NOTHING.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING? [LAUGHTER]

>> NOT IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW? WE GOT A POINT OF ORDER BEING RULED ON, WE GOT AN AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE WAITING TO SEE IF IT'S IN ORDER.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE ONLY MOTIONS THAT ARE IN ORDER IN A COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE IS TO ADOPT OR TO AMEND. IT'S AN ORDER.

>> DID YOU HEAR THE RULING, MR. BAZALDUA?

>> YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THE MIC WENT OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AMENDMENT, SO I DID NOT HEAR WHAT IT WAS.

I JUST HEARD THE EXPLANATION.

>> GO AHEAD. MS. PALOMINO.

YOU NEED TO HEAR THE EXPLANATION AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID? NO, THE MOTION?

>> THE MOTION.

>> OKAY.

>> THE MOTION WAS TO AMEND YOUR MOTION TO CHANGE THE USE OF FUNDS TO ALL TAX DEDUCTION.

>> DID YOU HEAR THAT? IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DISCUSS THE, WE'RE ON THE AMENDMENT NOW BY MS. MENDELSOHN TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 28A? IF THERE'S NO ONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE AMENDMENT TO NUMBER 28A, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT.

NOW, LET'S ASSUME MS. PALOMINO, THE VOTING IS FOR THE AMENDMENT IS STILL BY THE STRAW PROCESS?

>> CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT THEN. WITH A SHOW OF CARDS, RAISE YOUR CARD.

>> WITH ONLY THREE VOTING IN FAVOR, THAT AMENDMENT FAILS, MR. MAYOR.

>> WE'RE NOW BACK ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 28A BY MR. BAZALDUA.

MR. RIDLEY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON NUMBER 28A.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

WITH REGARD TO THE SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR CODE COMPLIANCE, ELIMINATING ADDITIONAL DEMOLITION FUNDING, COULD WE HEAR FROM SOMEONE FROM CODE COMPLIANCE ABOUT WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT WOULD BE?

>> CHRIS CHRISTIAN, DIRECTOR CODE COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER, REALLY, THE IMPACT FOR US WOULD BE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

BLIGHTED PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE TO REMAIN IN THE COMMUNITY LONGER, OFTEN SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURES THAT ARE DILAPIDATED REQUIRE REPEATED OPENING CLOSURES, SECURE CLOSURES, MOWING, MAINTENANCE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT WOULD BE TAKING ON.

ADDITIONALLY, HOMELESS USUALLY CAMP IN THESE RESIDENTS AND START FIRES.

THAT THEN OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT HAVE TO RESPOND TO SAVE LIVES AND POTENTIALLY COULD BE INJURED.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHRISTIAN.

ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS WITH REGARD TO THE USE OF FUNDS FOR OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS FOR SOLICITATION OF SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT PARTNERSHIP.

I GUESS THIS IS FOR COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA IF HE IS WILLING TO RESPOND.

WHEN YOU DESCRIBE THIS ITEM, YOU DID NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENTS, BUT RATHER ALTERNATIVES FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

IS THAT A CHANGE OF INTENT FOR THIS USE OF FUNDS?

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WHAT DO YOU INTEND FOR THIS TO GO TO?

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

THE LEGISLATION THAT PREVENTS US TO ALLOW FOR PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY TO BE USED IT SPECIFICALLY USES THE TERM SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT BECAUSE THE STATE PROVIDES IN THAT STATUTE AN AVENUE FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO GO INTO HAVING WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENTS, BUT IT HAS TO HAVE SOME SPECS THAT ARE NOT TEMPORARY, ET CETERA.

I WAS USING THE VERBIAGE TO BE IN LINE WITH THE STATE STATUTE AND WHAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO.

BUT I'M LOOKING FOR IT TO BE A LOW BARRIER TRANSITIONAL SOLUTION SIMILAR TO MODELS LIKE WE'VE SEEN, SUCH AS PALATE HOMES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

BUT THAT'S WHAT IS YET TO BE DISCOVERED FROM PAST AS A BODY.

I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CONVERSATION AND EFFORT STARTED.

>> THANK YOU. NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER USE OF FUNDS FOR A MOBILE UNIT REFURBISHMENT.

I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM STAFF WHAT THAT ENTAILS, WHAT THE MOBILE UNIT DOES AND WHAT THE NEED FOR REFURBISHMENT IS, AND WHY THAT WASN'T IN THE CITY MANAGER'S ORIGINAL BUDGET?

>> JOYCE WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR OF THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN RIDLEY, THE MOBILE UNIT IS FOR DAY LABOR PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE SET UP TO WORK WITH DAY LABORS WHO ARE WITHIN THE NORTHERN SECTOR OF THE DISTRICT AND THAT MOBILE UNIT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAND UP THAT INTO THREE DISTRICTS.

LOOKING AT THOSE SPECIFICALLY THAT HAVE HIGHER POPULATION OF DAY LABOR WORKERS GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY NOT ONLY TO HAVE SAFE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH EMPLOYERS CAN COME AND OFFER THEM JOB OPPORTUNITIES, BUT ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE TRAINING, AND ALSO WORKFORCE COMPLIANCE AND THE ABILITY FOR THAT MOBILE UNIT TO BE ABLE TO TRAVEL BETWEEN THOSE THREE DISTRICTS, PRIMARILY DISTRICT 2 DISTRICT 11 AND DISTRICT 13.

>> THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT 28A AS TO SOURCE OF FUNDS TO DELETE THE REFERENCE TO CODE COMPLIANCE DEMOLITION FUNDING.

>> I'M SORRY. CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND.

>> YES. THE MOTION IS TO AMEND 28A, TO DELETE THE REFERENCE TO CODE COMPLIANCE, ELIMINATING ADDITIONAL DEMOLITION FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF 250,000.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND.

>> OKAY. YOU CAN'T DISCUSS IT YET.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR WHATEVER HE JUST SAID?

>> I SECOND.

>> NOW, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT.

MR. RIDLEY, YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON YOUR OWN AMENDMENT FIRST? YOU WANT TO THAT'S WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU GOT IT FIRST?

>> SURE.

>> OKAY. YOU HAVE FIVE-MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE SOURCES AND USES, SINCE THAT'S REALLY.

>> SURE. WELL, THIS WILL BE REDUCING THE SOURCE BY 250,000 FOR THE REASONS THAT DIRECTOR CHRIS CHRISTIAN IDENTIFIED THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT FUNDING TO TAKE DOWN ABANDONED, DERELICT, SUBSTANDARD BUILDINGS IN THE CITY, WHICH CONSTITUTE BLIGHT AND WHICH CAN ATTRACT CRIME, CRIMINAL ELEMENTS.

PEOPLE OCCUPYING A VACANT AND OPEN BUILDING, ET CETERA.

IT BECOMES A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD AND SO I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD USE OF FUNDS.

IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET.

I THINK THAT WE SHOULD MAINTAIN THAT IN THE BUDGET.

THIS WOULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF USE OF FUNDS IN A SIMILAR AMOUNT WHICH COULD BE TAKEN FROM THE TAX RATE, WHICH CAN BE MADE UP WITH SOME OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT I INTEND TO OFFER LATER.

>> NOW I NEED I GUESS TO CLARIFY SOMETHING FROM A PARLIAMENTARY STANDPOINT.

DID THAT NEED TO BE PART OF THEIR ORIGINAL MOTION? IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I'LL LET MR. RIDLEY WITHDRAW HIS ORIGINAL AMENDMENT.

THERE IS A MOTION AND TO RESTATE IT BECAUSE HE'S CLARIFIED THAT THE USE WILL BE THE

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$250,000 IN REDUCTION OF THE SOURCE IS GOING TO BE APPLIED TO THE TAX RELIEF. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> YES, SO CLARIFIED.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CORRECT.

IF YOU'D HAVE NO OBJECTION AND HE'S WITHDRAWING THAT ORIGINAL MOTION AND YOU CAN RESTATE YOUR NEW ONE AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE.

>> THE NEW MOTION IS TO RESTORE THE CODE COMPLIANCE DEMOLITION FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF 250,000 TO THE BUDGET, WITHDRAWING IT FROM THE SOURCE OF FUNDS AND WITHDRAW FROM THE USE OF FUNDS, A SIMILAR AMOUNT FROM THE TAX RATE REDUCTION.

>> THAT'S THE MOTION AND YOU STILL SECONDING THE MOTION.

>> YES.

>> IT'S STILL BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING IT.

JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND AND EVERYONE ELSE'S, I THINK HE'S SAYING BASICALLY THAT DECREASE THE TAX RATE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE REDUCED BY THE AMOUNT OF THE CODE COMPLIANCE LINE.

THAT'S IT. CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ OR WERE YOU DONE MR. RIDLEY SPEAKING ON YOUR? CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ HAS FIVE-MINUTES ON THIS SPECIFIC RIDLEY AMENDMENT.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO CALL STAFF BACK UP TO THE MICROPHONE ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHRISTIAN.

MR. CHRISTIAN, WHEN MR. COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY WAS ASKING WERE YOU SPEAKING OF THE WHOLE DEMOLITION BUDGET OR 250,000 OF THAT BUDGET?

>> JUST THE 250,000, MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING IN OUR BUDGET NOW FOR DEMOLITIONS.

THE CITY MANAGER AND BODY WAS ABLE TO GRANT US SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS THIS YEAR.

I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT 750,000, SO THE 250,000 WOULD BE AN ADDITION TO THAT.

>> GOT IT. WHEN YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THE BLIGHTED HOMES AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY JUST THE 250,000, CAN YOU SHARE HOW MANY BLIGHTED HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU WOULD BE USING THAT MONEY FOR WOULDN'T HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T GET THIS EXTRA 250,000?

>> NO, MA'AM. WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO PERFORM DEMOLITIONS ON DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES TO THE TUNE OF THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN OUR BUDGET THAT WE WOULD STILL HAVE NEXT YEAR STARTING OCTOBER 1.

>> CAN YOU JUST HELP US BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE HEARING A LITTLE BIT OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT WAS ANSWERED FOR MR. RIDLEY AND WHERE I'M TRYING TO CLARIFY IT FOR EVERYBODY BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO BE THAT SIGNIFICANT IMPACT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO WANTS IMPACT THE WORK THAT CODE COMPLIANCE IS DOING.

COULD YOU JUST SHARE HOW THIS WOULD PLAY OUT IF YOU DID NOT GET THE ADDITIONAL 250? SORRY.

>> IF I DID NOT GET THIS 250,000 IN ADDITION TO MY DEMO BUDGET, I WOULD STILL HAVE ENOUGH IN MY DEMO BUDGET TO PERFORM THE NECESSARY DEMOLITIONS THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. MAYOR.

>> CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON MR. RIDLEY'S AMENDMENT.

>> I'M SORRY, I ACTUALLY WAS WANTING TO SPEAK ON THE UNDERLYING.

>> MR. ATKINS SAYS HE WAS IN THE QUEUE, IT FELL OUT, SO IT'S A GOOD THING ANYWAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON DEMOLITION.

IT STRUCK ME, THE ANSWER YOU JUST GAVE.

I KNOW LAST WEEK WE DEMOLISHED A PIECE OF PROPERTY AT 144 FIREBIRD, AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE DOMINATION AT FIRST, THEN WE HAD TO UNCOVER SOME MORE MONEY AND NOW, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS $250,000 HERE, THAT WE REALLY DO NEED THE MONEY OR WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING?

>> WE DON'T NEED THE ADDITIONAL 250,000 HERE, WE HAVE THE FUNDING CURRENTLY TO COVER OUR DEMOLITIONS FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER ALL THAT DEMOLITION.

HOW MANY DEMOLITION HOMES DO WE NEED TO DEMOLISH NOW?

>> THIS YEAR, WE'VE DONE 23.

>> HOW MANY REMAIN THAT WE NEED TO DO?

>> FOUR.

>> FOUR. THEN WHAT IS THE COST FOR THE FOUR?

>> THEY AVERAGE 25,000 A PIECE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE ON MR. RIDLEY'S AMENDMENT.

MR. RIDLEY, YOU WANT TO SPEAK FOR A SECOND TIME?

>> YES.

>> THREE MINUTES.

>> MR. CHRISTIAN, COULD YOU COME BACK? I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED.

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THE SHEET THAT YOU PROVIDED ME EARLIER TODAY SHOWS THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR '23 BUDGET HAVING $226,153 FOR DEMOLITIONS, CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> YET YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE, IN THE NEW BUDGET, 750,000 PLUS THE INCREASE OF 250,000, SO WHERE DID THAT 750 COME FROM?

>> IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, COUNCIL MEMBER, WE WERE ABLE TO REALLOCATE SOME FUNDING FROM SALARY SAVINGS IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO GIVE US THE FUNDING THAT WE NEEDED FOR THE DEMOLITIONS THAT WE NEEDED TO PERFORM.

AS OUR BUDGET STARTED THIS FISCAL YEAR AT THE 200 NUMBER THAT YOU SEE THERE, WE WERE ABLE TO REALLOCATE FUNDING AT THE BUDGET OFFICES' APPROVAL FOR SALARY SAVINGS THAT BROUGHT US UP TO THE 750,000 THAT WE NEEDED TO PERFORM THE ADDITIONAL DEMOLITIONS THIS YEAR.

>> THAT'S THIS FISCAL YEAR.

HOW DOES THAT CARRY FORWARD TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR WITHOUT THIS COUNCIL APPROVING THAT?

>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE NEW FISCAL YEAR FOR DEMOLITIONS.

>> WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE 250,000 WAS, I THOUGHT.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET ACTUALLY INCREASES YOUR BUDGET BY 750,000, AND THIS AMENDMENT IS JUST ONE-THIRD OF THAT?

>> LET ME HAVE BUDGET TO TRY TO CLARIFY.

>> PLEASE.

>> YES. IN MY DISCUSSIONS BRIEFLY WITH MR. CHRISTIAN, I BELIEVE THERE'S $200,000 THAT IS STILL AVAILABLE, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OF I THINK A MASTER CONTRACT ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED THAT I BELIEVE COULD BE AND WOULD BE ROLLED OVER.

AS IT RELATES TO THEIR ONGOING SUSTAINED BUDGET, I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONFUSION ON THAT, AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, IF THIS YEAR THE FUNDING WAS FROM SALARY SAVINGS, THEN I THINK THAT MONEY WOULDN'T BE THERE, BUT I WANT TO GET THE BUDGET OFFICE TO REALLY CONFIRM THAT FOR ONE, AND TWO, I THINK IF YOUR AMENDMENT, I GUESS, WHICH I THINK I UNDERSTAND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY HARM OR FOUL.

JANETTE OR JACK, CAN Y'ALL CLARIFY? THE ENHANCEMENT IS ONE THING, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BASE BUDGET WAS.

>> THE BASE BUDGET FOR OUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, FISCAL YEAR 24, IS $226,000 PLUS THE ENHANCEMENT OF 250 FOR A TOTAL NEXT YEAR OF 476.

>> MR. CHRISTIAN, IN LIGHT OF THAT LEVEL OF FUNDING, DO YOU FEEL THAT YOU DO NEED THE EXTRA 250,000 OR CAN YOU MANAGE ON THE SAME AS THE '23 BUDGET OF 226,000 FOR NEXT YEAR?

>> DIDN'T HE JUST SAY WE WOULD HAVE 476?

>> IF MY AMENDMENT PASSES.

BUT THE ORIGINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT WAS TO DO AWAY WITH THE 250,000 ENHANCED SPENDING.

THE QUESTION TO YOU IS, CAN YOU DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO WITH ONLY 226,000 NEXT YEAR?

>> YES.

>> THEN I'LL WITHDRAW THE AMENDMENT.

[NOISE]

>> WE'RE BACK NOW ON AMENDMENT 28A BY MR. BAZALDUA.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, NO, YOU'RE OUT.

>> NO, I'M IN.

>> IT'S LIKE AN AUCTION. MS. WILLIS. NOW, YOU'RE OUT.

>> IT'S PULLING US OUT. I WAS STILL IN.

>> ARE YOU IN OR OUT?

>> I'M IN.

>> FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDMENT 28A.

>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO ASK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF THEY NEED FUNDING FOR THE 80 FLOCK CAMERAS AND THE GUN DETECTION SYSTEM.

[NOISE]

>> IS IT ON? [LAUGHTER]

>> COUNCILMEMBER, WE CAN NEVER SHORT OF FLOCK CAMERAS, WE CAN USE EVERY CENT WE HAVE TO GET MORE FLOCK CAMERAS IN OUR CITY.

IT'S BEEN AN UNBELIEVABLE TOOL FOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN TO DETER VIOLENT CRIME, AND SO IT ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE WELL-RECEIVED.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE GUN DETECTION?

>> GUN DETECTION, THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON GUN DETECTION, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

OBVIOUSLY, IN SOME CITIES, IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, IN OTHER CITIES, THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH IT.

OBVIOUSLY, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT CAN BE A DRAIN ON RESOURCES WITH REGARDS TO RANDOM GUNFIRE.

GENERALLY, WE NEED TO RESPOND AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN WHEN THERE'S A VICTIM TO THE GUNFIRE.

BUT CERTAINLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW, PARTICULARLY WITH THE RANDOM GUNFIRE ISSUE THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE CITY,

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IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT AND PILOT IT OUT.

BUT CERTAINLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING FOR A WHILE HERE.

BUT HONESTLY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THE JURY IS STILL OUT ON THE EFFICIENCY OF GUNSHOT DETECTION.

>> ARE YOU PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IF THIS AMENDMENT PASSES BECAUSE IT HAS GUN DETECTION SYSTEM IN HERE?

>> NO, I RECOGNIZE THAT GUN DETECTION.

IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE COUNCIL WANTS TO GO, THEN CERTAINLY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN WILL TAKE A LOOK AT AND WORK THROUGH THE ISSUES THAT IT HAS.

OBVIOUSLY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ROLLED OUT CITYWIDE, NECESSARILY, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO SEE THE EFFICIENCIES OF IT, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE THE POSSIBLE DRAIN OF RESOURCES THAT COMES FROM OUT OF IT, SO WE'LL HAVE TO TEST IT OUT, IT'S THE BEST THAT I COULD TELL YOU.

>> IT'S $450,000 THAT'S ALLOCATED TO THAT COMBINATION, WOULD YOU PREFER IT WAS ALL JUST FLOCK?

>> BASED ON WHAT I'VE GATHERED FROM MY COLLEAGUES AROUND THE COUNTRY AND OTHER PLACES, I WOULD PREFER IT BE FLOCK.

FLOCK HAS ACTUALLY SHOWN US ITS TREMENDOUS VALUE, WHEREAS THE GUN DETECTION SYSTEM RIGHT NOW HAS NOT SHOWN ME THE VALUE YET AS FLOCK HAS.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY NEXT QUESTION IS ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ALI HATEFI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

>> THANK YOU. THIS AMENDMENT HAS A MILLION DOLLARS COMING OUT OF STREET IMPROVEMENTS, BUT 2.5 MILLION ADDED FOR STREET MAINTENANCE AND RESURFACING.

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD TELL US HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT YOUR BUDGET.

>> WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER, IN ORDER TO GET YOU THE LANE MILES BASED ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVE OR WILL BE USED, WE HAVE TO RUN THEM ON.

THAT'S A PERFECT WAY TO ACTUALLY DO IT.

BUT AS A RULE OF THUMB, FOR ONE MILLION DOLLAR DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF TREATMENT BECAUSE THE CAUSE IS DIFFERENT.

PROBABLY GOING TO REDUCE SOMETHING AROUND MAYBE FOUR LANE MILES OUT OF OUR WARD, AND 2.5 COULD BE SOMETHING AROUND EIGHT OR NINE LANE MILES ADDED TO THE WORK IF WE RECEIVE MORE MONEY.

>> THANK YOU. MY NEXT QUESTION IS FOR OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

>> YES. CHRISTINE CROSSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS TO ADD A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT PARTNERSHIP.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DOING THIS ALREADY?

>> WE HAVE SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS IN THE WORK ON-GOING AROUND THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING MENTIONED BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, WHICH WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL ON THE HHS COMMITTEE FOR APPROVAL.

>> HOW MANY HOMELESS FACILITIES ARE THERE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF DALLAS THAT SERVE DALLAS COUNTY?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL HEALTH SERVICES THROUGH NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY THAT THE COUNTY FUNDS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A FIRM COUNT ON THEM.

>> ARE THOSE FOR HOMELESS SERVICES OR ARE THOSE FOR INPATIENT MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION RECOVERY?

>> I BELIEVE THAT IN-PATIENT MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION RECOVERY WOULD INCLUDE THOSE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED.

I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE UNSHELTERED.

AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ASK.

>> I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE FEW OR NONE.

MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS TO PAY THROUGH THEIR TAXES FOR ALL SERVICES FOR OUR REGION FOR, I'LL JUST SAY THE DALLAS COUNTY AREA, SO A BETTER WAY TO SAY THAT THROUGH THEIR TAXES.

OR DO YOU THINK THAT THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A LARGER PICTURE?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS A POLICY QUESTIONS.

THAT IS FOR THE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE.

[NOISE]

>> I KNOW WHAT THE POP REPORT HAS SAID AND WHAT THE MAYOR HAS DIRECTED, AND BEYOND THAT, I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING.

>> HOW MANY FACILITIES DO WE CURRENTLY OWN THAT ARE UNOCCUPIED BY THE HOMELESS?

>> WELL, WE OWN TWO THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

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A THIRD IS WITH THE COMMUNITY FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW.

I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT IS IN ANY STAGE THAT IS READY TO BE OPENED.

>> I THOUGHT THERE WERE FOUR.

>> WELL, WE HAVE FOUR FACILITIES THAT WE OWN.

ONE OF WHICH IS FAMILY GATEWAY IN THE NORTH THAT'S CURRENTLY OPERATING.

THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT IS AT 4150 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE THAT'S ABOUT TO BE READY IN THE SAME FOR 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.

THOSE ARE BOTH WAITING FOR CONSTRUCTION AND NEXT STEPS.

THEN THERE IS ONE IN DISTRICT 3 THAT IS CURRENTLY WITH THE CITY.

THERE'S A FIFTH ONE, ST. JUDE PARK CENTRAL, THAT WE CONTRIBUTED FUNDING TO FORGET FINANCING, BUT WE DO NOT OWN IT.

>> WHAT ABOUT DISTRICT 10?

>> DISTRICT 10 IS A VANTAGE POINT THAT'S NOT OHS, SO I THINK HOUSING IS HELPING WITH THAT, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT THAT'S CITY BUT NOT LHS.

>> BUT IT WAS INTENDED FOR PEOPLE EXITING HOMELESS; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF EMPTY BUILDINGS, IS MY POINT THAT SERVE THE HOMELESS THAT WE HAVEN'T FULLY UTILIZED AT THIS POINT.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY TO THE COUNCIL AND FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE COMMITTEE ON HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS, I THINK WE HAVE TO STOP LOOKING TO JUST OUR TAXPAYERS TO FUND HOMELESSNESS.

WE NEED TO LOOK AS A COUNTY SOLUTION.

WHILE I AM ACTUALLY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT THAT I THINK TERM BASIL DOULA IS ADVOCATING FOR AND LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL SOLUTIONS, WHICH THIS WOULD BE A SOLUTION WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.

I THINK WOULD BE USEFUL.

I DON'T THINK THE FUNDING SHOULD COME THROUGH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE A COUNTY-WIDE ISSUE, SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT PARTICULAR ITEM.

MY NEXT QUESTION IS, WELL, I GUESS IT'S JUST A COMMENT ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.

THIS LAWN EQUIPMENT TRANSITION PROGRAM, I DON'T BELIEVE, AGAIN, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE TAXPAYERS TO SUBSIDIZE PEOPLE'S LAWN EQUIPMENT.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO SWITCH TO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF POWER, GOD BLESS, GO DO IT.

BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE REST OF THE TAXPAYERS NEED TO SUBSIDIZE YOU ON THAT.

FOR THE DALLAS BEAUTIFUL PROGRAM, CAN I ASK? I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WAS A CODE COMPLIANCE ISSUE.

CAN YOU COME TO ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME? HOW IS THIS PROGRAM BEING FUNDED TODAY?

>> IT'S CURRENTLY NOT FUNDED, MA'AM.

IT'S 55,000 IN THE BUDGET CURRENTLY FOR THIS PROGRAM.

>> ARE YOU AWARE OF MODELS WHERE I KEEP ANY CITY BEAUTIFUL MODEL IS DONE ON A VOLUNTEER BASIS OR THROUGH A NON-PROFIT?

>> COMPLETELY VOLUNTEER OR SUBSIDIZED WITH VOLUNTEERS.

>> PARTIALLY SUBSIDIZED.

>> YES.

>> WHY ARE THREE EMPLOYEES NEEDED FOR THIS POSITION, FOR THIS INITIATIVE?

>> THESE WOULD ACT AS PROJECT COORDINATORS AND LIAISONS FOR THE MINI NEIGHBORHOOD CHAMPIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH SOME OF OUR CONSTITUENCY TO PUT TOGETHER THESE BIG CLEAN-UPS PARK CLEAN-UPS, CREEK CLEAN-UPS, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE THIS YEAR AND BEFORE AND OUR CURRENT BUDGET THROUGH SUBSIDIES AND REALLOCATIONS.

BUT THIS FUNDING WOULD PROVIDE A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO THOSE TYPE OF ACTIVITIES FOR OUR CITY.

>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THEN CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THERE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE LEGAL WORK.

IS ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDED?

>> I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE SIGNIFICANT WORK, AND SO WE WOULD WELCOME THE SUPPORT.

WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THAT LITIGATION IN-HOUSE, SO THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO CHANGE IT FROM THE USE OF FUNDS FROM THREE POSITIONS FOR KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL TO ONE.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD THEN BE A 1/3 OF THE 400,000, AND THE SOURCE OF THOSE FUNDS TO HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE DOLLAR COMING OUT OF PUBLIC WORKS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

NOW WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR TO ITEM 28 BY MS. MENDELSOHN.

MS. MILLS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON YOUR AMENDMENT?

>> I THINK IT'S FINE IF WE HAVE ONE PERSON WHO'S COORDINATING THAT, BUT I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW MUCH ACTIVITY WILL TAKE FOR.

>> YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> FOR THREE FULL TIME EMPLOYEES, PLUS THE ONGOING EXPENSE FOR HEALTH INSURANCE VACATION, ALL OF THAT.

WE JUST KEEP ADDING MORE AND MORE STAFF.

JACK, ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL US WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF FULL-TIME EQUIVALENCIES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW?

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THEN IF YOU COULD ALSO TELL US, IS THAT THE MOST THE CITY'S EVER HAD?

>> THE GRAND TOTAL FOR FULL-TIME EQUIVALENTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 IS PROPOSED AT 15,035, AND I AM NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE MOST OF THE CITY HAS EVER HAD.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE WE DID SIGNIFICANT REDUCTIONS BACK IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS RECESSIONS.

BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER OF THAT.

>> WELL, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, I BELIEVE IT IS THE MOST WE'VE EVER HAD AND WE JUST CAN'T KEEP ADDING TO STAFF OVER AND OVER.

THAT'S NOT THE SOLUTION FOR EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE.

THERE'S QUITE A FEW ENVIRONMENTAL NON-PROFITS THAT I THINK WE'D LOVE TO PARTNER WITH US ON THIS PROGRAM.

WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT VOLUNTEER GROUPS, THEY ALSO HAVE PEOPLE WHO COORDINATE EVENTS, AND I'VE BEEN ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE.

WE DID IT FOR FREE, AND WE DID IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR PASSION WAS.

I THINK ONE PERSON AT THE CITY WHO'S THE POINT PERSON WHO CAN HELP MARSHAL THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, MAKE SENSE, BUT TO ADD THREE NEW POSITIONS IS, I THINK OVERKILL.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. EVERYONE IS STILL IN THE QUEUE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT MS. MENDELSOHN'S AMENDMENT THAT WOULD REDUCE THE BEAUTIFUL PART OF THIS FROM 3 TO 1.

THAT'S ALL THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FOR NOW.

MS. WILLIS IS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THAT

>> ON THIS AMENDMENT?

>> YEAH, WE'RE JUST ON THE ONE ABOUT THE KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL.

THEN WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE THAT UP OR DOWN AND THEN GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL.

>> SURE. WELL, IN VISITING WITH OUR GREETINGS ARE GARRETT BOONE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, WHO KNOWS A THING OR TWO ABOUT VOLUNTEERS AND ENVIRONMENTAL NON-PROFITS.

AS SOMEONE WHO PUTS ON HIP BOOTS AND GETS IN THE TRINITY RIVER AND PICKS OUT MICROSCOPIC PIECES OF STYROFOAM WITH HIS OWN HANDS TO HELP MAKE OUR RIVERS BEAUTIFUL, I'D REALLY LIKE TO HEAR HIM ON THIS.

I TOO HAVE BEEN IN A POSITION WHERE I WORKED WITH PARK AND REC STAFF TO HELP GALVANIZE VOLUNTEERS AND HAVE THEM DO CLEAN-UPS, AND I KNOW IT DIDN'T TAKE EVEN JUST THREE PARK STAFF MEMBERS THAT IT TOOK MORE.

I THINK ON THIS ONE, THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS PRETTY PHENOMENAL BECAUSE I THINK THE PROJECTIONS ON THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS, I THINK IT'S GOING UPWARD, SOME COMMUNITIES HAVE 20,000.

THAT TAKES MORE THAN ONE PERSON TO COORDINATE.

THE OTHER THING IS, I KNOW THAT WE'VE ADDED TO OUR BUDGET.

I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR WE WERE ADDING THE LITTER TEAM, THE LITTER RESPONSE TEAM IN FOUR QUADRANTS OF OUR CITY.

WE ARE HAVING TO PICK UP $1.4 MILLION OF CLEANING THAT TXDOT FORCED UPON US BY NOT CLEANING UP AS THEY SHOULD AND KEEPING THEIR AREAS TIDY.

I SEE THE ROLE OF GETTING OUR VOLUNTEERS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, ACTIVE IN THE PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITY AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE REALLY VALUABLE TO US ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.

I REALLY WANT TO HEAR OUR GREETINGS ARE ON THIS, AND SO I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE OF TAKING THAT NUMBER OF POSITIONS DOWN.

>> MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL RELATED AMENDMENT BY MR. MENDELSOHN.

JUST TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY REAL FOCUS BUT IS GETTING WEIRD.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ON THIS? YOU WERE IN THE QUEUE.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> YEAH. YOU MAYOR PRO TEM.

>> THANK YOU. MAYOR. I'M SORRY.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN WILLIS.

TRYING TO KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL AND I'M JUST LOOKING AT, IN MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT A IN HOW MANY VOLUNTEERS AND HAVING A COORDINATION THAT WE DO HAVE TO TRY TO GET RESIDENT AND TRY AND GET PEOPLE TO PICK UP THE TRASH JUST ALONE THE INTERSTATE AND RIGHT NOW THE INTERSTATE TEXTS WILL BE CLEANING IT UP AND THEY DON'T CLEAN IT UP AND I HAVE TROUBLES JUST TRYING TO GET WITH COLD AND TRYING TO GET WITH PEOPLE TO SAY, I NEED HELP TO COORDINATE THOSE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE SAFE AND MAKE SURE THEY GOT LUNCH AND MAKE SURE THEY GET TRANSPORTATION AND MAKE SURE THEY GET THE RIGHT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING, AND MAKE SURE THEY STAY ON THE HIGHWAY.

SOMETIMES WE GET TO MAKE SURE YOU HAD THE NPO'S AFTER TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFER THERE AGIN.

I THINK THREE IS ADEQUATE.

I HAVEN'T DONE WE HAVEN'T IN THE PAST.

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COULD WE HAVE COLE?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER.

CURRENTLY THAT TEAM HAS THREE STAFF MEMBERS.

>> IS THAT WE HAVE THREE STAFF SEPARATELY?

>> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. THOSE THREE STAFF MEN CONTROL THE WHOLE CITY, RIGHT?

>> THEY CONTROL THE WHOLE CITY, ALL THE COMMUNITY TRASH OFF PROGRAMS, ALL THE WEEKEND LITTER CLEANUPS THAT WE DO.

THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THAT PROGRAMMING.

>> IS THEY BROKE DOWN BY DISTRICT OR BY EAST, WEST, SOUTH, AND NORTH, OR HOW THEY BROKEN DOWN?

>> NO. THOSE THREE TEAM MEMBERS CURRENTLY SERVE EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT, THE ENTIRE CITY?

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ. I BELIEVE YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THIS AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT FROM AUGUST 21ST TO AUGUST 23RD, THERE HAS BEEN 47,572 CODE SERVICE REQUESTS REGARDING LITTER ALONE.

IT'S TIME THAT WE, AS A CITY, TACKLE THIS.

THANK GOODNESS FOR OUR GREENSOR WHO REALLY BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.

IT WENT THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE.

I BELIEVE IT WENT THROUGH WE BUT I KNOW IT'S ABSOLUTELY PART OF OUR RACIAL EQUITY PLAN PRIORITIES ON THIS.

THE OTHER PIECE, IN ADDITION TO THE VALUE OF THE KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL ACTUAL CLEANING EFFORT IS THE VOLUNTEER ENGAGEMENT, WHICH WE KNOW WE'VE ALL ADDED THE E AND ENGAGEMENT TO OUR CITY, AND SO IF WE LOOK AT OUR VOLUNTEER NUMBERS FOR THE CITY, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO PHYSICALLY BE A PART OF THIS CITY.

WE WENT FROM 1,444 VOLUNTEERS IN FISCAL YEAR '22 UP TO 2,774 IN FISCAL '23 AND THAT'S ALL WITH ONE PERSON DRIVING THIS.

YOU CAN IMAGINE THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEER HOURS, IF YOU TRANSLATE THAT INTO ABOUT 9,000 VOLUNTEER HOURS AND YOU DO OUR BASIC RATE ABOUT IT, IT'LL ACTUALLY INCREASE OUR FINANCIAL VALUE.

LAST YEAR WAS ABOUT $271,000.

AGAIN, YOU CAN IMAGINE IT COULD BE HOUSTON, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH HAD 8,000 VOLUNTEERS FOR ABOUT 35,000 HOURS BACK IN 2016, THEIR WEBSITE, IT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF $1.2 MILLION.

THIS WILL MORE THAN ADEQUATELY PAID FOR ITSELF JUST IN KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL, AS WELL AS THE OVERALL ENGAGEMENT.

IT OVERSEAS TO CHAIR MENDELSOHN'S POINT, ABOUT 11 OTHER VOLUNTEER GROUPS THAT WORK TOGETHER ON THIS AND SO THAT NEEDS THAT CENTRALIZED COORDINATION.

AS PART OF OUR OVERALL GREENING AGENDA FOR THE CITY, THIS IS TOTALLY IN LINE.

IT'LL BE SELF-SUPPORTING, IT MEETS OUR CITY'S AGENDA, GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE, AND IT'S A MINISCULE INVESTMENT GIVEN WHAT THE RETURN WILL BE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR,.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON THE AMENDMENT BY MR. MENDELSOHN.

>> THANK YOU. STARTING OFF, SO SHE GUIDED ME TO THAT POINT.

I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT AMENDMENT.

I WANT TO SUPPORT WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED HERE, MAINLY BECAUSE I HAVE A NEED FOR COORDINATION AND IT IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT REALLY NEEDS SUPPORT.

THE LAST TIME WE HAD SUPPORT IN CLEANING UP A PART OF THE DISTRICT, I MUST THROW HER NAME OUT HERE, WAS SARAH STANDARD, BUT WHEN SHE COORDINATED ALL OF THESE VOLUNTEERS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE FOUND THEM FROM TO HELP CLEAN UP JUST THE TRINITY AND SO I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET ON HER CALENDAR IN ADDITION TO EVERYTHING ELSE SHE'S DOING BECAUSE THAT WAS A FANTASTIC EFFORT.

SHE CAN'T DO THAT AND THEN DO WHAT WE ASKED AND TO DO.

THE COORDINATION OF THE VOLUNTEERS FOR ME WITH KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL IN PARTICULAR, HELPED BEAUTIFY OAK CLIFF.

I KNOW I NEED IT AND WE NEED IT.

MY COMMUNITY KEEPS TALKING ABOUT THE CHALLENGES WE TRYING TO PREPARE AN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S INVITING AND NO, SO THAT BUSINESSES WILL WANT TO COME.

WHEN I SPEAK ON THE COMMUNITY AND THE CONCERNS FROM THE LANCASTER AREA, LANCASTER ROAD, LEAD BETTER.

GLENDALE, MARSEILLAISE, CATALYTIC HEIGHTS, FRUIT DALE, 67, 35 WE PROBABLY NEED COORDINATED EFFORT FOR MAJOR CLEANUPS, I PROMISE YOU, EVERY WEEKEND.

THE OTHER PIECE THAT GOES WITH THIS IS AN EDUCATION PIECE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO START TRAINING FOLKS AND I HAVE ONE GROUP IN PARTICULAR WITH TOM FORESIGHT AND PARKS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY THE COMMUNITY COMES OUT.

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BUT YOU HAVE TO EDUCATE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THEM TO TURN AROUND AND THINK IT'S OKAY THAT YOU CAN THROW IT RIGHT BACK OUT WHEN WE GET THROUGH, CLEAN IT UP.

IT IS A TWO-PRONG EFFORT HERE IN TERMS OF TRYING TO EDUCATE AND WE CAN'T RAISE FOLKS UP, BUT WE CAN BEGIN TO GIVE THE SIGNAL THAT THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO GO.

IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND QUALITY HOUSING, YOU MUST BE OUR PARTNER IN THE CLEANUP.

I MUST SUPPORT WHAT'S ON THE AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED AND I DID WANT TO SPEAK UP FOR THAT BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT I GET THAT CONSTANT CONTINUOUS PRODDING.

WE NEED TO CLEAN UP.

I WILL SUPPORT WHAT IS PRESENTED TO US IN TERMS OF THOSE THREE POSITIONS FOR KEEP DALLAS BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE ON MS.MENDELSOHN'S MOTIONS.

SO LET'S SEE THE CARDS, EVERYONE. LET'S SEE THE CARDS.

>> WITH ONLY TWO CARDS VOTING IN FAVOR, THE LIMIT FAILS, MR. MAYOR.

>> OKAY. WE'RE BACK ON. AMENDMENT 28A, HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED AT ALL THIS POINT.

JAMIE GRACE, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDMENT 28A.

>> KINDLY CHIEF COME BACK UP HERE, CHIEF POLICE.

THEN I JUST REALLY WANTED TO SPEAK BRIEFLY TO THE GUNFIRE DETECTION.

AGAIN, THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE A VERY DISTRICT SPECIFIC THING BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THAT, THE AREAS THAT I'M LOOKING AT IN PARTICULAR, BIG CEDARS, IS 282 ACRES WORTH OF WOODED AREA AND BIKING AND ALL OF THAT, THERE'S GUNFIRE BACK THERE.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE DALLAS ONE OF THE CITY FOR THE BEST PARKS, YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

[NOISE]

>> BUT THIS IS AN AREA WHERE I FEEL LIKE THE GUNFIRE DETECTION MAY BE OF SOME VALUE AND THOSE WOODED AREAS OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

I HAVE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR LOCATIONS IN MY DISTRICT.

MAYBE THERE ARE MORE AND IF NOT, THEN I'M FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF DOING THIS.

ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANTED TO ASK YOU IS HOW MUCH DO THESE GUNFIRE DETECTION COSTS JUST INDIVIDUALLY?

>> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I CAN GET BACK TO YOU WITH THAT.

>> BUT WITH A GUNFIRE DETECTION SYSTEM FOR A WOODED AREA OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT IN ROUND THE WAY, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE WOODED AREAS.

WOULD THAT BE OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE SOME BENEFIT OR SOME HELP IN YOUR OPINION? WHEN YOU SAY NO, I'M FINE. I'LL TAKE IT EITHER WAY.

>> THE REALITY OF IT IS WE JUST DON'T SIMPLY, WE HAVEN'T TRIED THAT OUT HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WHAT I'LL SAY IS THE KNOWN COMMODITY THAT HAS BEEN USEFUL AND HELPFUL FOR US HAS BEEN THE FLOCK CAMERA.

NOW HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVEN'T TESTED OUT GUN DETECTION TECHNOLOGY IN AN URBAN SPACE.

IF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE IT IN A WOODED AREA OR AN AREA THAT'S OUTSIDE, I WOULD SAY THAT IF THE SYSTEM WORKS AS IS ADVERTISED, THAT IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS.

BUT AS FOR A CITYWIDE IN THE URBAN AREAS OF THE CITY, WE WOULD MUCH PREFER MORE FLOCK.

>> I UNDERSTOOD IT AGAIN. I'M SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE WOODED AREAS WHERE WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CALLS AND THESE PARTICULAR AREAS IN MY DISTRICT OR AREAS WHERE THE RESPONSE TIME IS NOT AS FAST BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED AROUND THAT MOUNTAIN CREEK AREA AND SO FORTH AND I'M GOING TO BE EXCEEDED.

THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING I THOUGHT COULD HELP.

IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, THEN WE CAN TAKE ACTION TO DETER THEM FROM COMMITTING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

THAT WAS MY THOUGHT AND SCIENCE BEHIND IT.

>> NOW IN SECLUDED AREAS AGAIN, IF THE SYSTEM WORKS AS IS ADVERTISED, THAT COULD BE BENEFICIAL.

>> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> JEREMY WEST, ARE YOU READY? FIVE MINUTES BACK ON THE ORIGINAL ITEM 28A.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A CLARIFICATION QUESTION.

IF I CAN GET PUBLIC WORKS TO COME UP HERE TO ADDRESS THE 5050 SIDEWALK QUESTION FOR ME.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR, AT THE ARTISTIC DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

>> THANKS FOR COMING UP. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT ON THIS AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD WIPE OUT ONE OF MINE IF IT'S APPROVED FOR THE 5050 SIDEWALK, THE FUNDING FOR THAT WAS INTENDED TO COME OUT OF THE SIDEWALK BUDGET,

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NOT THE STREETS BUDGET.

IT'S SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK WITH KEEPING IT IN THE SAME CATEGORY IS THAT YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING?

>> THE AMENDMENT FIRST TIME I READ IT, I THOUGHT IT'S COMING FROM THE STREET NOT FROM THE SIDEWALK, BUT IF IT DOESN'T TURN, THEN I CAN UNDERSTAND.

>> I MEAN WE HAVE AN ENDLESS POT OF NEEDS AND STREETS, SIDEWALKS AND ALLEYS, AND JUST KEEPING THEM IN THEIR OWN BUCKET SO WE CAN TRACK THEM ACCORDINGLY.

I THINK IS IMPORTANT, IN MY OPINION. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. NEXT TO MR. RIDLEY, YOU'VE SPOKEN ONCE ON THE ORIGINAL. I'M SORRY.

IT LOOKS LIKE MS. WILLIS, ARE YOU READY? YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS 288.

>> WE'RE BACK ON THE ORIGINAL BY BAZALDUA WILL DO IT NOW.

>> THE OG. I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT ON THE HOMELESS SOLUTIONS OPTION.

I KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE A FORMAL BRIEFING ON THE MAYOR'S TASK FORCE REPORT, BUT WE KNOW THAT TALKING ABOUT THIS MIDDLE GROUND AROUND SOMETHING MORE TRANSITIONAL IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT PHILOSOPHICALLY, AND SO TAKING THIS STEP TOWARD THAT I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT MOVE ON OUR PART.

THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION ON THE SIDEWALK FUNDS COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THE PUBLIC WORKS LINE ITEM ABOUT STREET MAINTENANCE AND RESURFACING WHILE MR. [INAUDIBLE] STOOD UP HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND TOLD US WE COULD MANAGE ANOTHER $5 MILLION ON THAT BUDGET.

I'M HAPPY TO SEE PROGRESS IN THIS DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO ADDING AT LEAST $2.5 MILLION TO STREETS.

THIS IS A NUMBER THAT WAS HELD FLAT AND THIS BUDGET, I KNOW I KEEP BRINGING UP THE CITIZEN SATISFACTION SURVEY.

EIGHTEEN PERCENT OF OUR CITIZENS HAVE A GOOD OR EXCELLENT OPINION ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE.

AS COACH SANDERS WILL SAY HERE IS THE RECEIPT FOR HOW OUR PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT OUR STREET MAINTENANCE.

I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THE $2.5 MILLION HERE TODAY.

I'D LOVE TO SEE US CONTINUE TO CHIP AWAY AT THAT.

I KNOW THAT IT'S A DAUNTING NUMBER.

WE HAVE THERE OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT INDEX THAT JUST STRUGGLES EVEN IN 10 YEARS TO GET US UP TO A DECENT LEVEL.

I ALWAYS SAY, HOW DO YOU TAKE A VITAMIN OR HOW DO YOU EAT AN ELEPHANT? ONE BITE AT A TIME.

EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS DAUNTING, WE HAVE TO CHIP AWAY AT THIS YEAR AFTER YEAR IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE BOND MAY YIELD.

I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF LISTENING TO THE CHIEF ON THE FLOCK CAMERAS.

IF WE'RE HEARING THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE RIGHT AWAY, I THINK WE NEED TO BE AGILE IN HOW WE LOOK AT THAT LINE ITEM AND IF WE WANT TO ADD MORE THAN 80 FLOCK CAMERAS I THINK WE NEED TO LISTEN TO OUR DPD ON THAT, BUT I ALSO HEAR YOU COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY AND I TOO HAVE RANDOM GUNFIRE GOING ON.

EVEN THOUGH OTHER CITIES MAY NOT HAVE A READ ON HOW THIS WORKS FOR THEM.

I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO SEE US PILOT THIS IF WE'VE GOT ENOUGH OF AN INDICATOR THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TRY TO SEE IF IT DOES WORK HERE OR IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT WORK HERE BECAUSE I HEAR ABOUT IT FROM EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS US ALL.

I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS IN THE SPIRIT OF THE DIRECTION THAT IT IS GOING AS A FIRST STEP. THANK YOU.

>> WE'RE ON THREE-MINUTE ROUNDS NOW ON 28 DAY, SO I'M GOING TO GO TO CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN FOR THREE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. JACK, CAN YOU CONFIRM BETWEEN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND THE RATE PROPOSED BY THE CITY MANAGER, IS IT 5 1/2 CENTS REDUCTION THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GET TO?

>> THANK YOU MS. MENDELSOHN.

IT'S ACTUALLY 5.336.

IN A MEMO THAT WE SENT LAST WEEK, WE CORRECTED THAT 5.336 CENTS FOR $104.2 MILLION.

>> THIS AMENDMENT REDUCES THE TAX RATE ONE CENT WHICH I DEFINITELY APPLAUD CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA FOR.

I'M PUTTING THAT FORWARD, I WAS REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

HOWEVER, IT ACTUALLY RAISES TAXES.

YOU CAN'T SAY IT ANY OTHER WAY BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE AFFIRMING THE INCREASE THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

THIS IS A TAX INCREASE.

THIS IS NOT A TAX DECREASE.

I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT AND I ALSO THINK IT'S WAY PREMATURE TO ALLOCATE A MILLION DOLLARS TO A HOMELESS PROGRAM WE'VE NEVER HAD A BRIEFING ON.

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WE HAVEN'T EVEN BRIEF THE HOPE REPORT, AND POTENTIALLY THERE'S FUNDING THAT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY THAT COULD FUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS AMENDMENT, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK THERE WERE SOME CREATIVE IDEAS AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT ON WAYS THEY'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY IMPROVE AND I'M A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THAT THEY WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL BUDGET. THANK YOU.

>> MR. RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON ITEM 28.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE CLARIFICATION ON THE PUBLIC WORKS, STREET IMPROVEMENTS, SOURCE OF FUNDS.

COUNCILMAN BAZALDUA IF YOU COULD RESPOND, I ONLY HAVE THE PRINTED BUDGET, AMENDMENT 28A IN FRONT OF ME WHICH SAYS REDUCE ALLOCATION FOR STREET IMPROVEMENTS AND THEN PUT THE SAME AMOUNT INTO FUNDING FOR THE 50/50 SIDEWALK CITY FUNDING.

AFTER HEARING MR. HATEFI TALK ABOUT IT, I'M CONFUSED.

WHERE DOES THAT ONE MILLION DOLLARS IN YOUR INTENTION COME FROM? IS IT TO REDUCE THE STREET MAINTENANCE BUDGET BY ONE MILLION OR FROM SOME SIDEWALK FUND?

>> I ACTUALLY LIKE PUBLIC WORKS TO WAY IN BECAUSE THIS WAS A SOURCE THAT WAS TAKEN FROM WHAT COULD BE SHAVED.

I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY, BUT THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS GIVEN TO US FROM EACH DEPARTMENT IN THE EVENT THERE WAS A NO NEW REVENUE.

THERE SHOULD BE SIDEWALK TO SIDEWALK, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR THE DEPARTMENT HEAD WHO PROVIDED INFORMATION TO WEIGH IN.

>> COULD WE HAVE HIM COME BACK TO THE PODIUM?

>> SINCE THIS WAS MY ORIGINAL AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> I'M JUST KIDDING GO. GO AHEAD.

[LAUGHTER]

>> MR. RIDLEY WANTS ME TO.

>> WELL, WE'RE CONSIDERING MR. BAZALDUA'S AMENDMENT.

IF THE STAFF HAS SOME INPUT ON THIS, I GUESS I'D LIKE TO GET IT FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH. PARDON THE EXPRESSION.

>> FINE WITH ME.

>> THANKS.

[LAUGHTER]

>> STAFF CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO MAINTAIN ORDER TODAY.

>> THE QUESTION TO YOU MR. HATEFI, IS WHERE IS IT YOUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS MILLION-DOLLAR SOURCE OF FUNDS WOULD COME FROM IN YOUR DEPARTMENT?

>> COUNCIL MEMBER AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I THOUGHT THIS ONE MILLION DOLLAR WILL BE PART OF THIS SIDEWALK COST THAT IS GOING TOWARD THE COST YOU PROGRAM.

I THINK THIS IS WHY THE COUNCIL MEMBER WEST ALSO CLARIFIED ON THE MOTION FROM THE AMENDMENT.

>> IT WOULD NOT COME FROM THE STREET IMPROVEMENT BUDGET?

>> IF IT COMES FROM THE STREET IMPROVEMENT BUDGET, IT DEPENDS.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT SOURCE OF FUNDING.

I MAY NEED TO RESEARCH THAT TO GET BACK WITH YOU.

>> WELL, WHAT IS THE SOURCE IF IT WERE TO COME OUT OF SIDEWALK FUNDING?

>> WHAT SOURCE OF FUNDING WE HAVE FOR SIDEWALK?

>> YEAH.

>> WE HAVE CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATION AND ALSO WE HAVE GENERAL FUND FOR SIDEWALK IF THIS IS THE QUESTION.

>> WELL, AND IF THAT EXISTING FUNDING IS FOR THOSE CITY'S PORTION OF THE 50/50 SHARE, WHY DO WE NEED TO PUT IN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS INTO THAT?

>> NO. WE DON'T ACTUALLY BUDGET THE FIXED COST SHARE PROGRAM OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND MONEY.

USUALLY, HISTORICALLY, IT HAS BEEN FUNDED THROUGH THE BOND PROGRAM, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS AMENDMENT WANTS TO TAKE A MILLION DOLLAR FROM WHATEVER WE HAVE FOR THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN TO GO TOWARD THEIR COST-SHARE PROGRAM TILL 24 BOND PROGRAM BECOMES THE REALITY AND THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THAT MONEY FOR THEIR CULTURE PROGRAM.

FILL IN THE GAP BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DO HAVE A BUDGET ALLOCATION CURRENTLY IN THE 24 BUDGET FOR THE CITY SHARE OF THE SIDEWALK SHARE?

>> NO. WE DO HAVE BUDGET FOR SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY BUDGET FOR COST-SHARE PROGRAMS.

>> WHAT DOES THAT MONEY IN THE MASTER PLAN FUND GO FOR?

>> WELL, THE MONEY BASED ON THIS AMENDMENT, I'M ASSUMING THAT A MILLION DOLLAR OUT OF THAT $5.3 MILLION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, IT GETS REDUCED TO GO TOWARD THE COST-SHARE PROGRAM.

BASICALLY, THIS IS THE SHARE FOR THE CITY TO PAY FOR THE COST SHARE PROGRAM.

ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT AS A PART OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET, WE HAVE TWO MILLION DOLLAR.

THE EQUITY FUND FOR COST-SHARE PROGRAM WHICH

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USUALLY GOES TO THE CITIZEN PORTION OF IT, THE RESIDENT'S PORTION OF IT.

>> NO, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THIS AMENDMENT WOULD TAKE MONEY FROM THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN FUNDING AND PUT IT INTO THE COST SHARE FOR THE CITY'S PORTION.

WHAT CAN THAT MASTER PLAN FUNDING BE USED FOR NOW? CAN IT NOT BE USED FOR THE CITY'S PORTION OF THE COST SHARE?

>> NO. TYPICALLY WE DON'T USE THE FONT FOR THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN AS PART OF THE COST-SHARE.

WE USUALLY USE IT TO BASICALLY ADDRESS ALL THE IDENTIFIED PROJECT AS A PART OF THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN TO TACKLE ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS BASICALLY.

>> THOSE PROJECTS ARE WHERE THE CITY FUNDS 100 PERCENT OF THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT?

>> HUNDRED PERCENT. YES, SIR.

>> THANK YOU.

>> OF COURSE.

>> MS. BLACKMON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. THERE'S A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS ELIMINATE AND IT HAS THE AM, THE NUMBER SIGN POSITIONS.

DO WE HAVE A NUMBER FOR THAT?

>> THERE ARE 147 POSITIONS THAT MET THE CRITERIA OF BEING VACANT FOR 12-PLUS MONTHS.

THAT WAS BASED ON INFORMATION AS OF AUGUST THE 1ST.

IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THOSE MAY HAVE BEEN FILLED SINCE THEN, BUT IT'S APPROXIMATELY 147.

>> IT'S 147. THANK YOU ON THAT ONE.

ON THE ONE RIGHT ABOVE IT ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I THINK I'VE BEEN ON THIS BODY WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION A FEW YEARS AGO.

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MANY OFFICERS DID WE HIRE THIS LAST YEAR? BOTH THE NET AND THE GROSS.

>> WELL, I'LL GO WITH THE PREVIOUS TWO YEARS COUNCIL MEMBER.

LAST YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE 200, THIS YEAR 175.

>> THEN WITH THE ATTRITION, WHAT WAS OUR NET RESULT? DO YOU KNOW? [BACKGROUND]

>> WE WERE DOWN 36.

>> WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION OF HIGHER THOUSAND, MORE, HIGHER, 25,000, WHATEVER PICK A NUMBER.

THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER? WHAT IS THE NUMBER THAT YOU CAN HANDLE IN GRADING QUALITY TRAINING, GETTING THEM THEIR EQUIPMENT, AND GETTING THEM ON THE STREET? WHAT IS THAT REALISTIC NUMBER IN YOUR MIND?

>> IN MY MIND, A REALISTIC NUMBER IS 250.

>> WHAT WE'VE DONE AND I THINK ANYBODY, IF YOU CAME TO US AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I GOT 50 MORE TO COME ON, GIVING US A TOTAL OF 300, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON THIS BODY WOULD TELL YOU NO.

I THINK WE WOULD FIND A WAY TO DO IT.

BRINGING THIS DOWN TO 250 IS A REALISTIC TARGET FOR YOU IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.

>> ABSOLUTELY, COUNCIL MEMBER. AGAIN, 290 IS VERY LOFTY GOAL, RECRUIT WORKING EXTREMELY HARD.

IF WE CAN STAFF UP TO 250, I'LL SAY WITH THE CAVEAT, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS TO CITY MANAGER ALREADY, THAT IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO HIRE MORE RECRUIT CLASSES IN ADDITION TO 250, THAT WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT.

>> WELL, I WISH YOU LUCK.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS UP.

>> LET'S SEE. CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ, HAVE YOU SPOKEN YET ON 28-DAY THE ORIGINAL? I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE.

>> NO, JUST THE [INAUDIBLE], SIR.

>> YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, CHIEF, I HATE TO DO THIS.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK UP BECAUSE I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS BEFORE ANYTHING GETS MISREPRESENTED PUBLICLY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND I DO WANT TO REINFORCE THE STATEMENT THAT YOU MADE ABOUT HOW HARD EVERYONE IS WORKING.

IN FACT, IF YOU COULD SHARE WITH US AND WITH THE PUBLIC PART OF THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING THAT NUMBER IN THE SENSE OF I KNOW I'VE HEARD YOU TALK BEFORE ABOUT HOW IT'S A NATIONAL CHALLENGE AND THAT DALLAS IS EXCEEDING A LOT OF OTHER CITIES.

IF YOU COULD JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND TALK ABOUT THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.

>> I KNOW. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY, AGAIN, AS YOU ARE ALL AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS THAT I AM AT, THERE'S NOT A COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE GO TO THAT OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT WANT MORE OFFICERS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. WE ARE WORKING EXTREMELY HARD WITH REGARDS TO HAVE A RECRUITING UNIT.

WHAT WE'RE FACING HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS

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NOT IMMUNE TO ANY OTHER MAJOR CITY IN THE COUNTRY.

THERE IS A NATIONAL STAFFING CRISIS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THERE ARE BILLS OUT OF WASHINGTON, DC, BEING WORKED ON TO DEAL WITH THAT ISSUE.

IN PRESIDENT BIDEN'S EXECUTIVE ORDER, RECRUITING AND RETENTION IS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT HE ALSO MAKES AN EXECUTIVE ORDER.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT ALL OF OUR AGENCIES ARE DEALING WITH.

I THINK WHAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL EARLIER IN THE YEAR, OBVIOUSLY, THE RETENTION BONUS THAT WAS GIVEN.

AGAIN, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 70 INDIVIDUALS THAT OFFSETS IF WE DON'T GET IF YOU LOOK AT IT TO ME, I DON'T LOOK AT IT.

SIMPLY RETENTION OF WE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES, I CAN HAVE 150 PEOPLE STARTING A POLICE ACADEMY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REALIZE THEIR EFFICIENCIES FOR 18 MONTHS, APPROXIMATELY 18 MONTHS AFTER THAT.

I KNOW THAT GETS A LOT OF ATTENTION.

BUT TO ME, I LOOK AT IT OVERALL STAFFING.

THE MANNER IN WHICH WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW THIS DEPARTMENT IS RECRUITING.

IT'S KEEPING OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE HERE AND KEEPING THEM HAPPY, KEEPING THEM MORALE HIGH.

IT'S RECRUITING LATERALS AND ENSURING THAT PEOPLE STAY HERE AS LONG AS THEY CAN AND DON'T RETIRE THE DATE OF RETIREMENT ELIGIBLE.

THOSE LISTENING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE OF THOSE MEASURES.

BUT AS I MENTIONED AGAIN, IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HIRE 250 OFFICERS, WE ALSO CANNOT FORGET THE FACT THAT IF WE RETAIN 70 THAT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE RETIRED BECAUSE WE HAVE SEEN RETIREMENTS DROP, THEN THAT'S A NET GAIN FROM WHAT WE HAVE IN OVERALL, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL STAFFING OR DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT JUST RECRUITING. IT'S NOT JUST RETENTION.

IT'S THE OVERALL COLLECTIVE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WE HAVE.

>> THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

I THINK THAT ALSO ONCE WE GET THE NEW ACADEMY, THAT WILL HELP AS WELL.

>> THE NEW ACADEMY WILL DEFINITELY BE A HUMONGOUS SHOT IN THE ARM TO OUR CITY AND OUR DEPARTMENT.

>> GREAT. I ALSO WANT TO JUST REINFORCE TO YOU, I KNOW YOU KNOW IT AND YOU'VE ACTUALLY SAID IT.

BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

I JUST WANT TO REINFORCE THE FACT THAT I DON'T KNOW OF A TIME, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT ANY PUBLIC SAFETY HAS COME TO THE COUNCIL AND SAID WE NEED THIS, AND COUNSEL HAS DENIED THAT REQUEST.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S CLEAR AS WELL.

>> VERY CLEAR. SINCE THE DAY I'VE GOTTEN HERE, WE'VE GOTTEN TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL, FROM THE MAYOR, THE CITY MANAGER.

AGAIN, YOU HOLD US ACCOUNTABLE, WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR DOLLARS AND CENTS, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTANDABLE.

THERE'S NOT BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE THAT I'VE REQUESTED THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET FOR OUR MEN AND WOMEN, WHO ULTIMATELY NEED THE HELP TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE.

>> THAT'S TERRIFIC, AND I HOPE THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO INTO SOME CREATIVE THINGS, WHETHER IT'S WITH HOUSING AND OTHER INTERESTING WAYS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS BECAUSE OF OUR SUPPORT AND REAL APPRECIATION FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES.

REALLY ANY CREATIVE SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT CAN HELP SUPPORT THEM AND ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, OF COURSE, WE'RE HERE.

KEEP THE IDEAS COME IN AND [OVERLAPPING]

>> SUPPORTING THEM.

>> DEFINITELY KEEP THE IDEAS COMING.

>> THANK YOU, CHIEF. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES TO CLOSE, I HOPE ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

>> MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED, MR. MAYOR.

>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST MR. BAZALDUA'S MOTION, ITEM 28 A AMENDMENT 20 A. XENON, SHOW THE CARDS, BOOKS, SHOW THE CARDS. YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO.

>> WITH 13 CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT.

IT'S MOVED FORWARD, MR. MAYOR.

>> WONDERFUL. WHO HAS AN AMENDMENT? WHO'S GOTTEN AMENDMENT THEY WANT TO PUT FORWARD.

WE'RE TAKING EVERYONE'S BEST ONE OR THEIR FAVORITE CHAIRWOMAN OF GOING IN AND OUT. ARE YOU IN OR YEAH.

I SAW YOU'RE IN THERE FOR A SECOND, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT YOUR RECOGNIZED FOR EMOTION IF YOU HAVE ONE ON AN AMENDMENT.

>> I DO. THANK YOU. WELL, WITH CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA'S MOTION PASSING.

MY NUMBER ONE AMENDMENT IS NO LONGER NECESSARY.

I HAD A SERIES OF TAX RATE REDUCTION AMENDMENTS.

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>> I WANT YOU TO LAY OUT ONE AMENDMENT. TAKE ONE.

>> THAT ALL ALIGN WITH THE SUGGESTIONS I MADE IN THE BUDGET MEMO TO YOU, MAYOR.

TOGETHER, THEY WOULD ALL TOTAL ABOUT $62 MILLION.

>> WE STILL NEED A MOTION, THOUGH, BEFORE WE CAN HAVE ANY MORE.

>> THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE HALF OF THE FTES AND HALF OF THE BUDGET SALARY THAT'S BEEN OPEN FOR 6-12 MONTHS AS PROVIDED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND MEMO DATED 82323.

THE SELECTION OF THE FTES TO REMOVE WOULD BE LEFT TO THE CITY MANAGER'S DISCRETION.

>> I'LL MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS, IS THIS AMENDMENT NUMBER THAT ALREADY HAS A NUMBER THAT'S JUST BEEN MODIFIED SO YOU CAN HELP?

>> THIS IS NUMBER 33.

>> IS NUMBER 33 IN ITS ENTIRETY OR A MODIFIED VERSION OF 33.

>> IT'S IN ITS ENTIRETY.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECONDED. CHAIRWOMAN, MIDDLE.

YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

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>> THANK YOU. I'LL GO BACK TO SAYING IT'S ONE OF A SERIES OF AMENDMENTS THAT I'M MAKING TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE, ALL BASED ON THE MEMO THAT I WROTE TO THE MAYOR, THAT TOGETHER TOTAL 62 MILLION.

I GUESS THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, FOR THE FIRST 6.8 MILLION THAT CAME ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

THIS IS DEALING WITH WHAT I CALL GHOST FTES.

I DON'T THINK THAT JACK LOVES THAT NAME. I'M SORRY.

BUT WE HEARD RIGHT THERE AS CODE COMPLIANCE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY WERE DOING DEMOLITION OF HOUSES, THAT THEY WERE USING FUNDING FROM POSITIONS THAT THEY DIDN'T FILL TO USE IT FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE.

WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IS A BUDGET THAT ACTUALLY REFLECTS THE NEEDS OF A DEPARTMENT AND ISN'T RELYING ON THESE GHOST FTES.

THE AMENDMENT THAT JUST PASSED WAS FOR POSITIONS THAT HAD BEEN OPEN FOR A YEAR OR LONGER.

MY SUPPOSITION IS THAT IT'S REASONABLE AFTER NINE MONTHS TO REALIZE THIS IS NOT A PRIORITY FOR THE DEPARTMENT, OR IF THERE'S SOME OTHER PROBLEM, FOR INSTANCE, WE MAY BE WAY OFF ON PAY RATE AND IT NEEDS TO GO BACK AND BE RECONSIDERED BEFORE IT'S REAUTHORIZED.

GIVEN CITY HALL AND AS FAST OR NOT, THINGS MOVE HERE.

I THINK SIX MONTHS TO HIRE SOMEONE IS PROBABLY REASONABLE THESE DAYS.

THAT'S WHY I'VE SPLIT THE NUMBER BETWEEN SIX AND 12 MONTHS BECAUSE, REALLY I WAS LOOKING AT AFTER NINE MONTHS, IT BECOMES UNREASONABLE IN MY VIEW.

WITH THAT, THIS WOULD SAVE US QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, $5.7 MILLION.

I HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT THIS FURTHER TAX REDUCTION. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE AMENDMENT NUMBER 33? CORRECT. AMENDMENT NUMBER 33, BY MR. WEST. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDMENT 33.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR SEEKING TO TRY TO SAVE US TAX REVENUE OR TAX DOLLARS FOR RESIDENTS.

I KNOW IT'S A PRIORITY FOR MY RESIDENTS AS IT IS FOR YOURS AND A LOT OF THE CITY.

I DID SIGN ONTO AMENDMENT 32 BECAUSE I BELIEVED ON THE LENGTH OF TIME IT WAS DOABLE TO I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND FROM STAFF ON THE SIX-MONTH GAP FOR WHEN THE POSITION IS OPEN, WHY DOES IT TAKE SO LONG TO FILL A POSITION? CAN YOU JUST COMMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT BECAUSE I'M INCLINED TO SUPPORT IT.

BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE REALITY OF IT WHEN IT COMES TO THE HIRING AND IS THIS MONEY USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE? IS IT USED FOR TEMP WORK? IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND I'M WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY THESE ARE OPEN SO LONG. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WEST JACK IRELAND, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER.

YES, THE AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED, TAKES HALF OF THE AMOUNT THAT WE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL AS AVAILABLE, RELATED TO POSITIONS THAT HAD BEEN VACANT FOR 6-12 MONTHS.

WE RAN THOSE NUMBERS ON AUGUST THE 1ST, IT'S 223 TOTAL POSITIONS.

TAKING HALF OF IT WOULD BE 111 OR 12 POSITIONS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT IT TAKES AN AMOUNT OF TIME TO FILL THE POSITIONS.

A LOT OF TIMES IS MR. MENDELSOHN MENTIONED, WE DO HAVE ISSUES WITH THE COMPENSATION AND WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT FOR DIFFERENT POSITIONS TO DETERMINE IF WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

THE WAY THE FUNDS ARE USED, THEY ARE ALLOCATED FOR SALARIES.

BUT WHEN WE ARE UNABLE TO FILL THE POSITIONS, A DEPARTMENT WILL OFTEN USE THE FUNDS FOR OVERTIME FOR EXISTING STAFF TO GET THE WORK DONE OR FOR TEMPORARY HELP, OR CONTRACT SERVICES TO GET THE WORK DONE.

AS FAR AS REASONS, FAR DELAYS IN RECRUITING.

IT'S JUST THAT RIGHT NOW, MOST OF IT IS SALARY DRIVEN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN PURCHASING, I KNOW WE'RE HAVING A VERY DIFFICULT TIME FILLING POSITIONS RELATED TO SALARIES AND SO WE'VE POSTED AND WE'VE MADE EFFORTS TO DO THAT.

WE'RE NOW WORKING WITH HR ON A COMPENSATION REVIEW TO DETERMINE IF THOSE POSITIONS NEED TO BE GRADED AND THE SALARY CHANGE.

THERE'S A NUMBER OF REASONS I KNOW ON THIS LIST, THERE'S SEVERAL 911 CALL TAKERS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST.

THERE'S BEEN A COMPARISON OF THE COMPENSATION WITH OTHER CITIES TRYING TO DETERMINE IF WE'RE JUST UNDERPAID.

RIGHT NOW SALARY IS THE BIGGEST DRIVER.

>> THIS SHOULDN'T COME AS A SURPRISE BECAUSE I'VE TOLD THIS TO YOU BEFORE, BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE HOW WE'RE ACCOUNTING FOR THIS.

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IF THE GHOST FTE COMMENT IS SEEMS PRETTY ACCURATE TO ME BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A BUDGET FOR HIRING PEOPLE AND THEN IT'S LEFT UP TO THE DEPARTMENTS TO SAY, OH, WE CAN'T HIRE ANYONE, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY IT TO OVERTIME.

WE'RE GOING TO APPLY IT TO PART-TIME HELP.

IT JUST DOESN'T RESONATE WITH ME AS A RESPONSIBLE WAY TO ACCOUNT FOR THIS MONEY.

THAT IS TAXPAYER MONEY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TIGHTEN IT UP IN THE BUDGET AND THEN MY SECOND ISSUE IS WE'VE BEEN HEARING SINCE 2019 WHEN I GOT HERE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR SALARY IN OUR COMPENSATION AND THAT WAS OUR PROBLEM AND I'M HEARING IT AGAIN.

IT'S FOUR YEARS LATER. WHEN DO WE FIX THAT?

>> WE HAVE CONTINUED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR COMPENSATION.

WE IMPLEMENTED A COMPENSATION STUDY AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS, BUT IT'S A CONSTANTLY MOVING NUMBER.

IT'S AN INCREDIBLY COMPETITIVE MARKET OUT THERE FOR SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO RECRUIT AND WE'RE JUST HAVING TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.

RIGHT NOW WHEN WE CAN'T FILL THE POSITIONS, WE STILL NEED TO GET THE WORK DONE AND SO DEPARTMENTS WILL USE THIS MONEY FOR OVERTIME OR OTHER WAYS TO DELIVER THE SERVICE.

HAD A CONVERSATION WITH BUILDING SERVICES THIS MORNING ABOUT THEIR VACANCIES WHEN THEY HAVE VACANT HVAC POSITIONS THAT WILL USE OVERTIME FOR EXISTING POSITIONS OR THEY'LL HIRE CONTRACTORS.

IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO DO THAT, THEN THERE COULD BE A SERVICE IMPACT.

>> CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, THERE'S A QUESTION, I GUESS OUR CITY MANAGER IN TERMS OF OVERALL, MANAGEMENT OF ANY OPERATION WITH 15,000 EMPLOYEES.

WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, HOW IS OUR SITUATION DIFFERENT FROM ANY MAJOR EMPLOYER IN THIS SETTING AND IS GOVERNMENT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT OTHER THAN ART TRANSPARENCY, THAN PRIVATE COMPANIES IN TRYING TO FILL ESPECIALLY WHAT ARE WE BELOW? LIKE THREE SOMETHING PERCENT UNEMPLOYMENT HERE IN DALLAS.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN.

I WOULD SAY THIS IS A TYPICAL STRUGGLE, AT LEAST AS I MEET AND TALK WITH MY COLLEAGUES, WHICH ARE THE LARGE CITIES, CITY MANAGERS.

THE ABILITY TO FILL POSITIONS AS WELL AS RETAINED POSITIONS, PARTICULARLY POST PANDEMIC HAS BEEN INCREASINGLY MORE DIFFICULT, I THINK, BECAUSE INDIVIDUAL STANDARDS AND OUR WILLINGNESS TO DO CERTAIN JOBS AND ARE THE FLEXIBILITY ASSOCIATED WITH THEM AS WELL AS THE PE, GIVEN EVEN SOME OF THEIR LOWER LEVEL POSITIONS AND ORGANIZATIONS ARE DEMANDING MORE RESOURCES AND PAY NOW TO COME TO WORK.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN THAT UP AND DOWN OUR ORGANIZATION.

SECONDLY, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO REPLACE AND FIND EMPLOYEES, PARTICULARLY AT NON ENTRY-LEVEL POSITIONS, PARTICULARLY IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

IT IS QUITE DIFFICULT, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE COMING FROM ANOTHER ENTITY WHERE THEY EXPECT TO AT LEAST MAKE THE SAME IF NOT MORE AND OR IF THEY ARE EVEN ENTRY-LEVEL IN SOME CASES TRYING TO START, I THINK THEIR EXPECTATIONS ARE GREATER AND SO IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE AND I THINK JACK HIT IT.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE CONTINUALLY BEHIND ALL THE TIME BECAUSE PEOPLE AND THE MARKET WILL DICTATE SOMEONE'S WILLINGNESS TO TAKE CERTAIN TYPE OF WORK.

AGAIN, A CITY THIS LARGE WITH AS MANY NEEDS, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE IN COMPETITION WITH SMALLER CITIES.

ONE, BECAUSE I THINK THEY PAY MORE IN SOME CASES THAN WE DO.

BUT I THINK THE WORK IS MORE CHALLENGING HERE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT MORE TO DO AND AGAIN, UNMET NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE EXPECTATION IS HIGHER.

THESE PARTICULAR POSITIONS, AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY WE SPOKE VERY LIMITED ON THE 12 MONTHS PLUS POSITIONS WITH THE BELIEF AND UNDERSTANDING THAT AT LEAST THERE ARE SOME POSITIONS WITHIN THERE THAT IF WE ELIMINATE THOSE, I THINK I WON'T SAY IT WILL BE FINE.

BUT THE 6-12 MONTHS MAY OVERLAP WITH SOME OF THOSE SAME CLASSIFICATIONS AND WE WILL DO AS A MANAGER'S THE VERY BEST AND MAKE SURE WE'RE FEELING THE MOST CRITICAL POSITIONS OF THOSE 12.

IF WE NEED TO RECLASSIFY TO ENSURE THAT WE GET THE WORK DONE, THAT'S THE ISSUE.

WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO SAY I JUST CAN'T FEEL THE POSITION SO THE WORK DOESN'T GET DONE.

THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.

AS JACK SAID, WE USE TEMPORARY LABOR OR HIRE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE WORK IF WE CAN'T FIND BODY'S WILLING TO DO IT ON A PERMANENT BASIS.

AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON.

I THINK WHAT IS UNCOMMON.

AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE EVOLVED, WE'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING WHAT THE FTE COUNTIES AS WELL AS WHAT THE POSITIONS ARE AND THAT'S BEEN AN EVOLUTION FOR US TO REALLY SHARE THAT PEOPLE ARE MORE THAN JUST FRACTIONAL NUMBERS, ARE ACTUALLY BODIES AND POSITIONS.

WE DO A GOOD JOB TRYING TO SHOW WHAT'S VACANT AND WHAT IS FIELD.

AGAIN, TO MS. MENDELSOHN'S POINT TO JACK SENTIMENT ON THE NOTION OF GHOSTS POSITIONS.

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I WOULDN'T CLASSIFY THEM AS THAT.

I THINK AS I'VE TALKED WHETHER IT'S POLICE VACANCIES OR NOT, WHEN THERE ARE ISSUES WITH OVERTIME OR OTHER ISSUES, THEY ALWAYS LOOK FIRST WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN NOT GO OUTSIDE AND IMPACT FOR POLICE LACK EXAMPLE, ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT.

IF THEY GO OVER THEIR BUDGET, THEY START THEIR FIRST THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, IN MY OPINION, TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AND DO DIFFERENT THINGS, MEANING ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE HAVING DICTATE UNLESS WE'RE IN A BUDGET CRUNCH WHERE WE TELL OUR DIRECTORS, DO NOT FEEL YOUR POSITIONS, THEY DO NOT HOLD THEM VACANT ON PURPOSE.

IN MOST CASES, IF NOT ALL, THEY MAY HOLD THEM VACANT SHOULD IN FACT, THERE'LL BE AN ISSUE THAT THEY KNOW THEY'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH OR IF JACK AND GENETIC HAVE USED THEIR WIZARDRY ON THE, I GUESS THE ATTRITION THAT THEY TAKE OUT, THEY MAY NOT BE FUNDED FOR THE FULL YEAR ANYWAY, JUST BECAUSE OF OUR KNOWN ATTRITION RATES.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO IT.

BUT FOR 15,000 EMPLOYEES AND 42 DEPARTMENTS, I BELIEVE THEY FUNCTION AS THEY SHOULD WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING THROUGH OUR PROCESSES AND CIVIL SERVICE AND HR, CATCH THE BRUNT OF IT AS IF THEY ARE THE ISSUE AND TALENT.

THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE.

THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES INTO HIRING PEOPLE AND TRUTHFULLY WILL SPEND A MONTH TRYING TO HIRE SOMEONE OR TWO.

GET TO THE END, OFFER THEM WITH POSITION.

THEN THEY WALK AWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE SALARY AT THE END OF IT AND THAT IS A CHALLENGE THROUGH ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, AND THAT'S JUST WHAT THE MARKET IS.

RATHER THAN GOING ON TO THE THIRD OR FOURTH PERSON WHO MAY WANT TO BE HIRED, WE'LL CHOOSE IN MOST CASES TO GO BACK OUT, RE ADVERTISE AND TRY TO FIND THE BEST PERSON FOR THE ROLE.

>> I THINK THAT WHAT THAT SPEAKS TO ITS FIRST OF ALL, I SEE OUR CITY ATTORNEY NODDING HER HEAD AND IF THE ATTORNEYS LEVEL AND THEY'RE SUFFERING WITH IT, WE CAN IMAGINE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT PAY LESS THAN PEOPLE WITH ADVANCED DEGREES.

I THINK THAT THE HR, THE COMP STUDIES THAT WE'RE DOING ON COMPENSATION ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE DONE THOSE.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. HASN'T HAD AN IMPACT, MR. IRELAND.

>> YES, MAM. IT HAS HAD AN IMPACT AND ONE THING TO KNOW ABOUT THE COMP STUDY, IT'S NOT A ONE AND DONE.

IT'S AN ONGOING.

WE'RE TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH MARKET AND WE'RE HAVING TO CONSTANTLY LOOK AT THAT AND RE-EVALUATE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKET AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ACCORDINGLY.

MR. TOLBERT, DID YOU WANT TO, SHE SAID I DID GET AN OUTLET, SO THAT'S FINE.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS I KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO START TO LOOK AT IS HOW DO WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO EVEN CONSIDER A LOCAL GOVERNMENT AS AN EMPLOYMENT THROUGH THE WORKFORCE EDUCATION AND EQUITY COMMITTEE, WE'RE GOING TO START HELPING PEOPLE WAKE UP TO THE IDEA THAT WORKING FOR CITY GOVERNMENT IS A GREAT CAREER.

WHAT CAN WE DO IN TERMS OF RECRUITMENT AS A CITY? I APPRECIATE THAT.

I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE ALSO THAT THERE'S NOT A FALSE LOGIC APPLIED IN THE EXAMPLE OF CODE, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE, I GUESS FOR YOU, MR. BROADEN ACTS ARE ACTUALLY FOR JACK.

EITHER ONE IS DOES EVERY REQUEST FOR THE BUDGET WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR BUDGET TOGETHER WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, DOES EVERY REQUEST GET ADDED TO THE BUDGET?

>> OH, NO.

>> WHAT I'M WONDERING IS, SO FOR THE EXAMPLE OF BEING ABLE TO USE IF YOU CAN'T HIRE INTERNALLY, THEN YOU CONTRACT IT OUT AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE ABLE TO USE THAT FOR DEMOLITIONS FOR THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO GET DONE AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE INTERNAL FLEXIBILITY WITHIN DEPARTMENTS SO IS THAT OKAY IF THERE WASN'T SOMETHING THEY REALLY WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH AS A DEPARTMENT COULDN'T FIND FTES FOR SOME THINGS, CAN YOU USE SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR OTHER THINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN WANTING TO GET DONE BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR, BUT NOW YOU MAY HAVE THE MONEY FOR BECAUSE YOU CAN'T GET THAT POSITION FILLED.

>> OUR BUDGET EXECUTION PRACTICES ARE IF YOU HAVE SAVINGS AND SALARIES, YOU CAN USE THAT WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT TO GET THAT WORK DONE.

WHETHER THAT'S OVERTIME, TEMPS DE LABOR CONTRACTS.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE IT OUTSIDE OF A TYPE OF PERSONNEL TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT, THEN THEY SUBMIT A REQUEST TO THAT WE'VE REVIEWED THOSE FOR A REALLOCATION, BUT IF IT'S WITHIN THE SALARY DOLLARS, GET THE WORK DONE.

>> GOT IT.

>> THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO MAKE THOSE MOVES.

>> THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ARC CONTINUING SUPPORT SO I THANK YOU.

>> ITEM 33 YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S FIVE-MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM 33, AMENDMENT 33 FOR THE PUBLIC.

>> YES. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND CHAIRMAN SCHULTZ, I THINK YOU GOT MY QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

BUT JACK, BACK TO IF AN AMOUNT IS UNSPENT, YOU CAN GET IT REALLOCATED FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE.

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THERE'S A PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH.

BUT ARE THERE TIMES WHEN THAT MONEY IS JUST NOT SPENT, DOES IT EVER JUST SIT THERE?

>> YES, MA'AM. WE REPORT MONTHLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL THROUGH THE BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT SHOWING VARIANCES TO BUDGET AND SO WE MONITOR THAT ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

WE DEAL WITH THAT WHEN WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SPENDING MORE THAN THEIR BUDGET AND WE COME TO COUNCIL TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

FREQUENTLY WHEN ONE DEPARTMENT IS GOING OVER BUDGET, WE WILL FREQUENTLY TAKE FROM DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE UNDER BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN STAY BALANCED OVERALL.

BUT YES, IT'S MONITORED MONTHLY.

>> IF WE WERE TO CUT SOME OF THESE FROM THE BUDGET THEN ON A GOING-FORWARD BASIS, IF A DEPARTMENT NEEDED AN ALLOCATION AND THEY COULD COME TO YOU AND YOU COULD POTENTIALLY FIND MONEY FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.

>> IT'S POSSIBLE TO MOVE MONEY BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS.

IT TAKES CITY COUNCIL ACTION.

WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL IN AN ADJUSTMENT.

>> GOT YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES WITH ON FOUR AGAINST AMENDMENT NUMBER 33? SEEING NONE, LET'S SEE THE CARDS.

>> WITH ONLY FIVE CARDS RATES IN FAVOR THE MOTION FAILS MR. MAYOR.

>> ALL RIGHT. WHO ELSE HAS AN AMENDMENT, YOUR FAVORITE AMENDMENT, MR. RIDLEY, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR A MOTION?

>> THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, REFERRING TO AMENDMENT 18.

THIS IS TO REDUCE THE COMMUNICATIONS OUTREACH AND MARKETING BUDGET TO THE 22-23 FORECAST FIGURE.

ADDING BACK-IN REQUIRED CONTRACTUAL SALARY BENEFIT IN PENSION INCREASES.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> AS PART OF THAT MOTION IS DECREASING THE TAX RATE.

>> IT'S AMENDMENT 18?

>> YES.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED DISCUSSION.

>> YES.

>> YOU HAVE THE FLOOR FOR FIVE-MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT NUMBER 18, EVERYONE.

>> I THINK THAT THIS AMENDMENT BRINGS BACK INTO THE BUDGET, THE EXISTING LEVEL OF EXPENDITURE BASED UPON THE FORECAST FOR THE 23 EXPENDITURES FOR THIS DEPARTMENT AFTER ALLOWING FOR THE INCREASE IN MERIT COMPRESSION PAY BENEFITS CHARGED BACK TO FLEET TO RISK MANAGEMENT IN ITS AND PROVIDES US SOME ADDITIONAL TAX RATE RELIEF FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS.

>> THE MIC DROP IS BACK. MR. RIDLEY, THAT WAS IT?

>> THAT WAS IT.

>> THAT'S GREAT. MAYOR PRO TEM.

YOU RECOGNIZE FROM FIVE-MINUTES ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 18 BY MR. RIDLEY.

>> IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

THE COMMUNICATION OUTREACH AND MARKETING.

WHAT IS THE BUDGET UPDATE DEPARTMENT? GUEST CHECK.

>> IT'S APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILLION CATHERINE THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

CATHERINE, CHOIR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS, OUTREACH AND MARKETING.

THAT'S FOUR MILLION APPROXIMATELY, INCLUDING AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT AND GENERAL FUND.

>> THIS OUTREACH AND MARKETING COMBINED?

>> YES, SIR. COMMUNICATIONS, OUTREACH, AND MARKETING.

>> HOW MANY FTES ISN'T IN THE DEPARTMENT?

>> THIRTY FTES IN THE DEPARTMENT.

>> IF YOU LOSE $811 MILLION, HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR $811,000 [LAUGHTER]

>> [INAUDIBLE] HOW WOULD IT TAKE YOUR DEPARTMENT?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. FIRST, THAT WOULD RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN OUR CURRENT STAFF HEADCOUNT BECAUSE WE HAD FOR THE BIENNIUM, CONTEMPLATED OUR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, MULTIMEDIA SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST BEING RETAINED AS GENERAL FUND EMPLOYEES AFTER THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT DOLLARS RUN OUT.

ADDITIONALLY, CURRENTLY, WE DO NOT HAVE AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.

IF WE ELIMINATE THAT POSITION, WE DO NOT HAVE ROUND THE CLOCK EXECUTIVE AVAILABILITY IN TIMES OF 24/7 EMERGENCY ACTIVATION.

THIS WOULD ALSO POTENTIALLY PUT AT RISK OUR SUPPORT FOR ADOPTED STRATEGIC GOALS INCLUDING EQUITABLE LANGUAGE ACCESS, WHICH IS NECESSARY IN SUPPORT OF RACIAL EQUITY PLAN GOALS

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AND OUR STAFF SUPPORTS OPERATIONS CITYWIDE, WE RECEIVE THOUSANDS OF REQUESTS A YEAR IN ADDITION TO HUNDREDS OF MEDIA REQUESTS A YEAR SO IT WOULD RESULT IN A EITHER INCREASED TURN-AROUND TIME OR REDUCTION IN OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

>> ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT WOULD DECREASE OUR OUTREACH TO OUR RESIDENT TAXPAYER?

>> YES. THE SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST POSITION IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN HIRED IN MAY AND HAS BEEN ESSENTIAL TO OUR SUPPORT OF THE ENGAGEMENT VALUE OF SERVICE THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN COMMUNITY EVENTS, REACHING RESIDENTS TO BRIDGE THE DIGITAL DIVIDE, AND ALSO TO ENGAGE RESIDENTS WHO MAY NOT BE DIRECT FOLLOWERS OF THE CITY'S CHANNELS BUT DO HAVE TRUSTED RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEIR HOUSE OF WORSHIP, WITH THEIR NON-PROFIT SERVICE PROVIDER, WITH THEIR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION.

GIVEN THAT OUTREACHES OUR MIDDLE NAME, HAVING A SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST SUPPORTING THOSE EVENTS TO SHARE INFORMATION ABOUT CITY PROGRAMS, INITIATIVES AND SERVICES IS ESSENTIAL TO THEIR ENGAGEMENT WITH PROGRAMS FOR WHICH THEY MAY BE ELIGIBLE, BUT WHICH THEY MIGHT OTHERWISE NOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF OR HAVE TRUST TO ENGAGE WITH.

>> YOU SAID THAT IF YOU REDUCE THIS ABOUT $811,000, THAT YOU WILL LOSE PROBABLY FOR FTES IS CORRECT? THREE OR FOUR FTES?

>> WE WOULD LOSE OUR MULTIMEDIA SPECIALISTS WHO CURRENTLY SUPERVISE OUR COLLEGIATE PAID APPRENTICES SO EFFECTIVELY, THE FAIR PARK MULTIMEDIA CENTER APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM WOULD GO AWAY AND THAT WOULD ALSO THREATEN ATTAINMENT OF OUR WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT GOALS.

WE HAVE HIRED COLLEGIATE APPRENTICES INTO MULTIMEDIA SPECIALISTS AND VIDEO SPECIALISTS ROLES WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT WITHOUT MULTIMEDIA SPECIALISTS TO SUPERVISE THOSE INTERNS.

THEN WE CAN HAVE THE INTERNS TRAINED ON AND USING THE EQUIPMENT AT THAT FAIR PART MULTIMEDIA CENTER, WHICH WAS PAID FOR NOT FROM GENERAL FUND BUT FROM PEG FUNDS.

>> SPEAKING ON THE FIRST PART, THE INVESTMENT THAT WE PUT AN A FOR AIRPORT IN A METER RULE AND HOW MUCH DO WE INVEST IN THAT PROJECT AND THEN PROGRAM.

>> THAT WASN'T $11 MILLION PROJECT FUNDED BY PUBLIC EDUCATION AND GOVERNMENTAL FEES PAID BY SUBSCRIBERS TO AT&T AND SPECTRUM CABLE CHANNELS.

THAT WAS NOT GENERAL FUND INVESTMENT.

>> BUT WE DO SUPPORT THAT, RIGHT? DO WE DO WORK THERE, RIGHT?

>> YES, SIR. THE 30 FTES AND CALM, AS WELL AS THE COMMUNICATIONS OUTREACH MARKETING PROFESSIONALS ACROSS CITY DEPARTMENTS HAVE UTILIZATION OF THAT FACILITY IN SUPPORT OF MARKETING AND ENGAGEMENT CITY-WIDE.

>> WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT, MARKETING AND OUTREACH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND I'LL JUST COUNT THEM WERE ABOUT AND WE DECREASE THIS BY $811,000.

HOW WILL WE REDUCE OUR MARKET IN THAT OUTREACH TO OUR RESIDENT AND THAT CITIZEN? PLUS WE JUST INVEST INTO THE STUDIO FOR A PART.

MY QUESTION IS NUMBER 1.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION THEN? ARE WE DOING A GREAT JOB WITH OUTREACH AND MARKETING? ARE WE KILLING OURSELVES OR SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE ARM THAT WE NOT DOING A BETTER JOB BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT? BECAUSE NOW WE DID INVEST, WE'VE INVESTED IN THE MARKETING OUTREACH IN BILINGUALS, THE TRANSACTION.

WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR DEPARTMENT?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

KALM IS ALWAYS MAKING THE MOST OF WHATEVER RESOURCES THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO GIVE US.

WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE CARES ACT AND AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT FUNDS TO SUPPLEMENT OUR GENERAL FUND STAFF.

AS YOU'LL RECALL, 0.03 PERCENT OF THE CITY'S RPA ALLOCATION WAS EARMARKED FOR THE MARKETING OF THOSE RPA SPECIFIC PROGRAMS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN IN-PERSON EVENTS, AN INCREASE IN ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES, AND AN INCREASE IN PROGRAMS. WE ARE MARKETING A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS, INCLUDING THE BOND ELECTION, INCLUDING THE KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON CONVENTION CENTER, MASTER PLAN AND PROCUREMENT OPPORTUNITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WE ARE SUPPORTING VETERANS EVENTS, PRIDE EVENTS, WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH EVENTS, HOLIDAY EVENTS THAT MAY NOT HAVE OCCURRED

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DURING THE PANDEMIC IN-PERSON AND ARE NOW OCCURRING IN PERSON.

WE ARE FULLY SUBSCRIBED WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE.

WE'VE BEEN IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR CONVENTION AND EVENTS SERVICES VENDOR, VISIT DALLAS, WORKING ON A BRAND WHICH CAN BE USED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, TALENT ATTRACTION, INCLUDING HUMAN RESOURCES AND CIVIL SERVICES, TALENT ATTRACTION CAMPAIGN, AND DESTINATION MARKETING.

COUNCIL MEMBER WILLIS AND I ARE ON THE MARKETING COMMITTEE, VISIT DALLAS, WHICH HAS INVESTED MORE THAN A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS IN QUANTITATIVE AND QUALITATIVE RESEARCH TO INFORM THAT BRAND, WHICH WILL BE BRIEFED TO THE VISIT DALLAS MARKETING COMMITTEE ON SEPTEMBER 20TH.

THE FULL STAFF WE CURRENTLY HAVE WILL BE ESSENTIAL INTO THE CREATION OF THE DALLAS CITY SPECIFIC ASSETS ALIGNED WITH THAT NEW BRAND.

>> LAST QUESTION. NUMBER 1, THAT IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THE FUNDING MECHANISMS GOING TO OFFER FUNDS, HOW MUCH IS OUTSIDE FUNDING, HAVE YOU RECEIVED IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO THAT WE WOULD NOT RECEIVE THIS FOLLOWING YEAR?

>> OUR MARKETING SUPPORT VENDOR UNDER CONTRACT IS FOR $500,000.

WE CAN INCREASE THAT EASILY BY 10 PERCENT FOR THE PROGRAMS SUPPORTED CITYWIDE.

>> DO YOU RECEIVE AN OFFER FOR MONEY AND YOUR DEPARTMENT?

>> YES, SIR. 0.03 PERCENT OF THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT.

>> HOW MUCH WAS THAT?

>> IT'S SLIGHTLY MORE THAN A MILLION AND THAT IS PAYING BOTH FOR THESE PERSONNEL OUR SENIOR OUTREACH SPECIALIST AND OUR MULTIMEDIA SPECIALISTS CREATING THE VIDEO ASSETS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE MARKETING OF THESE ENDEAVORS, AS WELL AS FOR OUR MARKETING SUPPORT VENDOR.

>> YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING, KIM?

>> HELLO.

>> THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD, KIMBERLY BIZOR TOLBERT, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, I WANTED TO JUST TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COUNCIL THE UPPER TIM ATKINS.

AS YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE VARIOUS QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE COMMUNICATION, OUTREACH, AND MARKETING DEPARTMENT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE NEVER FULLY HAD THE STAFFING OR THE RESOURCES TO REALLY STAFF UP THE DEPARTMENT AND OPERATE AT THE LEVEL THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ASKED US TO DO.

FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE UTILIZED THE FUNDING.

KATHRYN TALKED ABOUT THE DOLLARS THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH RPA, BUT WE'VE CONTINUED TO REVAMP THE DEPARTMENT AND FIND WAYS THAT WE COULD USE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, THE FAIR PARK MULTIMEDIA CENTER, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL ASSET FOR THE CITY THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD BEFORE.

WE ACTUALLY OPENED THAT FACILITY WITH ONE STAFF PERSON.

NOW THAT WE'RE DOING MORE AND THERE'S MORE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR TIME AS IT RELATES TO THE TYPE OF PROGRAMMING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AS A CITY.

WE'VE CONTINUED TO OPERATE WITHIN THE SAME STAFFING LEVEL.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO THE LEVEL WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT OUTREACH AND YOU TALK ABOUT MARKETING THAT YOU WANT, IF WE DO NOT INVEST WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR AND I KNOW I'VE HAD SOME SIDEBAR CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT IT'S ONE THING TO ASK US TO GO PUT TOGETHER THIS WONDERFUL MARKETING DEPARTMENT AND ASKS US TO DO THE WORK.

BUT IT'S ANOTHER THING NOT TO FUND IT.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WHICH IS TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO FILL THOSE GAPS WITHOUT THE STAFF RESOURCES, WITHOUT THE BUDGET, AND THEN TRYING TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE REQUESTS THAT WE GET YEAR OVER YEAR.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE REALLY WANT TO DO IT RIGHT, TO ENSURE THAT WE INVEST WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN GET, WHETHER IT'S FREE PROMOTIONS, FREE ADVERTISING, WE'RE DOING THAT NOW, BUT WE'RE ALSO BEING TOLD TO BETTER UTILIZE OUR MINORITY MEDIA.

WELL, IT TAKES MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO PUT IN PERSPECTIVE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE AND THE IDEA THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND PROVIDE SERVICES AT A HIGHER LEVEL WITHOUT THAT ADDITIONAL THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WILL BE PROBLEMATIC FOR US. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL WOMAN MENDELSOHN, THIS NEXT IN THE QUEUE.

>> THANK YOU. I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS MOTION.

AM I TO UNDERSTAND CURRENTLY THERE'S 30 PEOPLE IN THE DEPARTMENT?

>> YES, MA'AM.

>> YEAR OVER YEAR, THE PROPOSED INCREASES, 37.7 PERCENT; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT, AND THAT IS DUE TO THE GROWTH OF OUR TEAM.

>> CORRECT. THEN OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'VE GROWN?

>> I DON'T KNOW FOR FIVE YEARS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ADVISE.

AS YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY THREE YEARS.

>> YES. THIS DEPARTMENT HAS GROWN 140 PERCENT IN FIVE YEARS AND IT'S JUST NOT SUSTAINABLE.

A 30 PERSON COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT FOR A CITY OUR SIZE, I THINK, IS MASSIVE.

TO CONTINUE GROWING, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO USE YOUR RESOURCES BETTER.

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PERHAPS OUTSOURCING.

SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT YOU PROVIDE MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.

MAYBE YOU DON'T NEED ONE PERSON WHO DOES ONE THING ALL THE TIME AND MAYBE A FIRM MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU.

BUT I THINK THIS BUDGET IS WAY TOO BIG FOR THIS DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S ALL. I AM IN SUPPORT OF COUNCIL BRADLEY'S MOTION.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT. I WOULD ADVISE THAT EVEN AT 30, FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, WE'RE STILL HALF THE SIZE OF THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENTS OF OTHER LARGE CITIES WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS WHO WERE COMPETING AGAINST.

WE CAN AND HAVE USED CONTRACTORS TO GREAT EFFECT.

HOWEVER, CONTRACTORS ADD APPROXIMATELY TWO BUSINESS DAYS TO OUR TURNAROUND TIME FOR SERVICE REQUESTS BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT OF PREPARING FOR THEIR ASSIGNMENT AND REVIEWING THEIR ASSIGNMENT UPON COMPLETION.

>> IF I COULD JUST ALSO ADD, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS, THAT'S ONE THING.

BUT THE WHOLE MARKETING PIECE IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED US TO INCLUDE IN 2019.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE GROWTH, THAT GROWTH IS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO THE COUNCIL ASKING US TO REALLY BEEF UP THE DEPARTMENT TO ALSO BE THE MARKETING ARM FOR THE CITY.

WHEN YOU COMPARE US, EVEN, LET'S SAY THE CITY OF FORT WORTH, WE STILL ARE OPERATING WITH THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED LESS THAN CITIES THAT ARE EVEN SMALLER THAN THE CITY OF DALLAS, NOT JUST THOSE THAT ARE LARGER THAN THE CITY.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BOTH THE COMMUNICATION AND THE MARKETING ASPECT OF WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING.

>> THANK YOU. MR. RIDLEY.

IF THAT ALL THE QUESTIONS, WE MOVE ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

>> I THINK THERE ARE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE NOT SPOKEN YET ON THIS ISSUE AND I'M ON ROUND 2.

>> COUNCILWOMAN WILLIS, YOU RECOGNIZE IT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THIS MOTION NUMBER 18 TO HAVE THE USE OF FUNDS GO TO STREET MAINTENANCE.

>> SECOND.

>> I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE RECEIPT AND THAT IS THAT WE HAVE A CITIZEN'S SATISFACTION LEVEL OF 18 PERCENT WHEN IT COMES TO THE CONDITION OR HOW WE MAINTAIN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE,14 OF OUR DISTRICTS TOLD US THAT INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE WAS IN THEY'RE TWO ACTUALLY 12 SAID IT WAS THEIR NUMBER 1 ISSUE.

I AM SO APPRECIATIVE OF THIS COUNCIL FOR SUPPORTING THE $2.5 MILLION TOWARD THE $5 MILLION THAT MR. HOTEL, TOLD US THAT HIS DEPARTMENT CAN HANDLE WITH REGARD TO ADDITIONAL STREET MAINTENANCE THIS YEAR, BUT I STILL THINK WE NEED TO WORK TO GET TOWARD IT.

I APPRECIATE ALL THAT THE DEPARTMENT DOES, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A CORE COVENANT THAT WE ALL HAVE WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND I WANT TO SEE THAT SATISFACTION NUMBER MOVE AND I WANT TO SEE US ANSWER THEM WITH REGARD TO WHAT MOST OF THEIR NUMBER 1 ISSUE IS, SO I ASKED FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL ON YOUR LAST COMMENT, THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

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>> SPEAKING ON THE MEN, I'M SORRY, I JUST NEED TO ADD, THANK YOU.

>> I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE A HUGE NEED THAT JUST AS WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE LAST AMENDMENT, I PERSONALLY WOULD SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT TO GO TO THE STREETS.

I WOULD NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF GOING TO THE TAX RATE, I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY MINUSCULE TO THE TAX RATE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD ENOUGH RETURN ON MAKING THAT BIG OF AN ADJUSTMENT.

BUT IF WE CAN CHIP AWAY AT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT MORE INVESTMENT INTO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN GET BEHIND AND I DEFINITELY HEAR OFTEN FROM MY RESIDENTS TO BE MADE A PRIORITY, SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS MOTION. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL WOMAN SCHULTZ MAKES AN ACUTE.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO FOLLOW MY SWORD FOR IT, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT EITHER ONE OF THESE AMENDMENTS FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

ONE IS THE FACT THAT WE EVEN KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT MORE MONEY ON STREETS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WE ARE CAMS DEPARTMENT HELPED PROMOTE THE SURVEY, SO IT SHOWS THAT WE NEED THEM.

SECOND THING IS, IS THAT THIS IS OUR OUTREACH ARM TO OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR WHETHER WE MAY HAVE OUR OWN NEWSLETTERS ALL DAY LONG, BUT IF WE DON'T USE THE BIGGER MACHINE OF THE CITY, IT'S BASICALLY AN INVESTMENT IF THE $4 MILLION IS IT?

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THAT'S ABOUT $3 A PERSON FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

IF I DID THE SAME MATH, I'M USING THE MOLE RATIOS I USED IN EDUCATION WORLD OF TEACHER STUDENT RATIO, IT'S 43,000 RESIDENTS FOR EVERY ONE EMPLOYEE OF THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT.

IF ANYTHING, I WOULD WANT TO BE INVESTING IN AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES AS POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT AND ENGAGE WITH OUR RESIDENTS.

WE MAY HAVE FRUSTRATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OR ANY DEPARTMENT AND THE WAY IT'S BEING RUN, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT BEING PUNITIVE FINANCIALLY AS THE WAY TO MANAGE THAT CHALLENGE.

I THINK THAT THE MESSAGE IS MADE VERY CLEAR TO OUR CITY MANAGER THAT WE MAY HAVE ISSUES IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT WE WANT HIM TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT, BUT CUTTING OFF OUR NOSE TO SPITE OUR FACE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR OWN RESIDENCE IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT, SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING EITHER AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER, CHAD WEST ON THE AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS A HARD ONE, BUT I DON'T AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, MS. SCHULTZ ON THIS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PENALIZING OR CUTTING A DEPARTMENT HERE, WE'RE SIMPLY HOLDING THEM TO WHAT THEY WERE THIS LAST YEAR AND THE WAY THIS AMENDMENT AS WRITTEN.

IT ALSO ADDS IN ALL OF THE SALARY, PENSION, EVERYTHING THAT THOSE EMPLOYEES WHO ARE THERE SHOULD HAVE FOR THEIR SERVICE IN THE CITY, IT'S JUST NOT GROWING.

AT SOME POINT WITH THIS IS FOR MY FUTURE AMENDMENT, BUT WITH $14 BILLION AND NEEDS IN THE CITY PLUS CITIZENS AT ONCE TAX RELIEF PLUS OUR NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING, WE'VE GOT TO START TIGHTENING OUR BELTS SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY AND THAT MEANS LOOKING HARD AT THESE DEPARTMENT.

THIS ONE IS NOT, WHAT I SEE IS A PENALIZING CUT, I'VE SEE THIS AS US BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE GOING TO JUST TAKE A BREAK.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GROW THIS YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE MONEY TOWARDS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH CONTINUES TO CRUMBLE AROUND US, SO I'LL SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

COUNCIL WOMAN, BLACK WHEN YOU'RE DONE.

I KNOW YOU'D MENTIONED THAT WE'RE READY TO GO BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER, NO, I BELIEVE IT READILY IN THE QUEUE NOW FOR THE AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I WILL OPPOSE THIS AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD TREMENDOUS OUTPOURING OF REQUESTS FROM CONSTITUENTS TO CUT THE TAX RATE AND THIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHER AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY CONSIDERED AND WE WILL BE CONSIDERING LATER TODAY, IS NECESSARY TO BRING OUR TAX RATE DOWN AND TO PROVIDE NECESSARY TAX RELIEF TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

CAN WE USE IT FOR STREETS? SURE. BUT 500 OR $800,000 IS NOT ENOUGH TO PAVE ONE LANE OF A STREET IN DALLAS, WHICH COSTS BETWEEN TWO-AND-A-HALF AND $5 MILLION.

IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S DROP IN THE BUCKET, WE'VE ALREADY PUT $2.5 MILLION IN THE PREVIOUS 28, A AMENDMENT INTO STREET MAINTENANCE.

THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS ALREADY ALLOCATED $150 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET FOR STREET MAINTENANCE.

ANOTHER 500,000 IS A SMALL FRACTION OF THAT AND ITS CONSEQUENCES WILL BE ALMOST INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY ALLOCATED FOR THIS PURPOSE, BUT IT CAN PROVIDE MEANINGFUL TAX RELIEF FOR CITIZENS.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER BRITTANY, I GET YOU DONE.

I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE-CHECK.

COUNCIL WELCOME, CARA MENDELSOHN.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER NOVARTIS HASN'T SPOKEN AT ALL.

IS HE IN LINE NEXT? CORRECT AND THEN WE GO TO COUNCIL, WOMAN MENDELSOHN, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THIS ONE IS A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT COMMUNICATIONS IS, I ALSO KNOW HOW IMPORTANT STREET MAINTENANCE IS.

AT EVERY TOWN HALL I WENT TO EVERY RESIDENT I SPOKE TO, KEPT SAYING STREETS.

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, WE DID A COMPLETELY NON OFFICIAL POLL, BUT JUST AS PEOPLE WERE CALLING IN AN OVERWHELMINGLY, IF GIVEN THE CHOICE BETWEEN STREETS AND BPD IN ORDER TO GET TAX CUTS.

I'D NEVER HEARD PEOPLE SAY DO SOMETHING WITH DPD THEN BECAUSE I WANT MY STREETS FIXED.

NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

WE SHOWED IN THE LAST AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT THAT WE PASSED THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM IN ORDER TO GET

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THEM EVEN MORE RESOURCES AND I THINK THAT'S A BIG WIN FOR US AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE GOING LIKE THAT.

THE FIRST AMENDMENT, WE DID REDUCE THE TAX RATE MORE, SO DON'T FORGET THAT WE REDUCE THE TAX RATE FROM 0.65 TO 1, SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.

NOBODY CAN SAY WE HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING YET TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE.

AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO REDUCE THE TAX RATES SOME MORE.

0.0416 AND $811,000 IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY IMPACT EXTRA YET.

BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE WELL, ALL THESE SMALLER AMENDMENTS COULD ADD UP TO BIGGER DOLLARS WHICH WOULD MAKE AN IMPACT.

BUT MY RESIDENTS, N6, MY STAKEHOLDERS N6, THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT THE CITY, EVERYBODY IS SCREAMING, FIX YOUR STREETS.

$811,000, GOES A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND FIXING STREETS TO 2.5 MILLION ADDS TO THAT, MAKING IT 3.3 MILLION IS EVEN MORE.

I'M CURRENTLY AND HAVE BEEN THE CHAIR OF TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDES STREETS AND IF WE CAN'T GET PEOPLE WHERE THEY NEED TO GET ON SMOOTH ROADS SO THAT THEIR CARS AREN'T FALLING APART, SO THE TRUCKS THAT ARE DELIVERING GOODS CAN'T GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GET SO THAT EMPLOYERS WANT TO STAY IN THE CITY, THEN WE'VE GOT TO DO WHAT IT TAKES IN ORDER FOR US TO FIX OUR CRUMBLING INFRASTRUCTURE.

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER THE CURRENT BUDGET WE'RE IN, BUT WHEN WE'RE FINISHING UP, WE FUNDED FOR ZERO DEGRADATION, THAT'S GREAT BUT THIS COMING BUDGET, WE NEED MORE.

WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE EVERYTHING COSTS MORE AND TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE'RE DOING TO STAY AT ZERO DEGRADATION IS IMPORTANT.

OUR CITY MANAGER LEAD US WITH THE LAST BOND AND WITH THIS BUDGET OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS FOR US TO FINALLY GET TO ZERO DEGRADATION.

THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE IN ORDER TO NOT JUST BE AT ZERO, BUT TO BE AN IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'RE NEVER GOING TO BOND OUR WAY OUT OF FIXING OUR STREETS.

WE HAVE 4 BILLION WITH A B IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ON OUR STREETS.

THIS ONE IS A TOUGH ONE BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE WITH THIS, BUT I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT TO MOVE THESE DOLLARS OVER TO STREET MAINTENANCE AND I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT OVERALL ONCE AMENDED, IF THAT PASSES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU. COUNCIL WOMAN MENDELSOHN, IS UP NEXT, UNTIL THE MAYOR IS BACK, SO COUNCIL WOMAN MENDELSOHN WILL BE UP NEXT.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PATIENTS, THANK YOU.

>> SURE. THANK YOU. I THINK IF WE ASK THE RESIDENTS OF DALLAS, HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY SPEND ON STREET REPAIR? NOT A SINGLE ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE AN ANSWER., NOBODY KNOWS.

THE NUMBER IS SO BIG THAT IF IT'S A MILLION HERE, A MILLION LESS, IT WOULDN'T REALLY MEAN ANYTHING TO ANYONE, BUT IF YOU ASK THOSE SAME PEOPLE HOW MUCH THEY PAY IN PROPERTY TAX, I BET THEY COULD COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY, THAT'S WHERE THIS REDUCTION BELONGS, NOT IN STREETS.

NUMBER 2, THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S A MINUSCULE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PUT TOWARDS TAX RELIEF, BUT YET WOULD BE MEANINGFUL FROM STREETS IS RIDICULOUS.

IF IT'S A MINUSCULE AMOUNT THAN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, IT WOULDN'T MATTER EXCEPT THERE'S AN ACCUMULATION THAT WILL HAPPEN AS WE PASS AMENDMENTS TO REDUCE TAXES AND THOSE NUMBERS WILL ADD UP TOGETHER TO MEAN SOMETHING MEANINGFUL IF YOU DO WHAT THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT.

ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS.

I WOULD SAY TO EVERYONE HERE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A WIN PUTTING MORE MONEY INTO STREETS.

WE HAVE ALREADY PUT A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO STREETS, CAN YOU TELL THE DIFFERENCE? WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT STREET CUTS? HOW ARE WE VERIFYING THAT THEY WERE DONE PROPERLY? THAT WE DIDN'T REPAID ALL THE PARTS THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN REPAVED.

WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT INSPECTIONS, LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN ENSURE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE LASTS LONGER AND WE'RE NOT REPEATING THINGS THAT WE JUST INVESTED IN.

ALL THAT TO SAY, I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF A TAX REDUCTION AND I HOPE THAT THIS AMENDMENT WILL NOT PASS. THANK YOU.

>> MEMBERS JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY ON WHAT IS BEFORE US RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT THEN TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 18 BY MR. RIDDLELY THAT

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WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE THE MONEY INSTEAD OF DECREASING THE TAX RATE, BUT INSTEAD DOING STREETS DURING EXTREME FOR HIM, IT'S OKAY.

MAYOR PRO TEM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ON [OVERLAPPING]

>> JUST A MINUTE.

>> YOUR LIGHT WAS ON, IT'S ACTUALLY THE MAYOR PRO TEM.

GO AHEAD. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES MINUTES, I GUESS.

>> THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO BE REAL FAST BECAUSE THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING.

I KNOW THAT I CANNOT SUPPORT THE CUTS AND THIS IS DIFFICULT TO MARKETING, MAINLY BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THE MAIN ONES WHO STANDS UP TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO LET NUMBER 1, THE CITIZENS KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AS A CITY.

TWO, I NEED MARKETING AND OUTREACH SO THAT MY CONSTITUENTS WILL KNOW WHEN SESSIONS SUCH AS THIS ARE TAKING PLACE SO THEY WILL KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO CONTACT OUR OFFICES SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR STREETS REPAIRED, SO THAT THEY CAN GET HOME REPAIR.

WE ARE DYING FOR LACK OF COMMUNICATION.

I KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE SENIORS WHO DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE INTERNET.

THERE SOME WHO ARE THERE GRADUALLY, BUT WE NEED TO USE EVERY MODE POSSIBLE.

I HAVE A LARGE CONSTITUENCY ALSO THAT NEEDS THE TRANSLATION IN SPANISH.

WE'VE GOT TO REACH FOLKS WHERE THEY ARE AND BRING THEM IN.

TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M ONE OF THOSE WHO REALLY NEEDS ALMOST TWO ADDITIONAL STAFF MEMBERS FOR MARKETING.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE NEED THE MARKETING TOOLS BECAUSE AS WE CONTINUE TO ASK FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND PARTNERS FOR INVESTMENT PARTNERS FOR OUR PARKS, I'M ASKING STAFF, WHO YOU'RE COMMUNICATING WITH? I JUST ASKED ECO DEBBIE YESTERDAY, ARE YOU GOING NATIONAL OR YOU'RE JUST STATE? FOR AN ECONOMICALLY DEPRIVED AND SOCIALLY AND HISTORICALLY DEPRIVED COMMUNITIES, WE NEED TO HIT EVERY BASE WE CAN CITYWIDE, STATEWIDE, NATIONAL WIDE, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN UNUSUAL SET OF DEMOGRAPHICS AND WE NEED COMMUNICATION.

>> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, ONLY THE INTERRUPTING FOR THIS ONE PURPOSE.

I KNOW THAT I HAD TO BE BROUGHT UP TO SPEED ON WORLD WAR.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE GERMANE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE US [OVERLAPPING]

>> TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD TAKE THIS REDUCTION AND APPLY IT TO TAX CUTTING OR PUBLIC OR STREETS AS OPPOSED TO WHEN IT BACK.

BUT OVERALL, THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT IS ABOUT TAKING IT OUT OF COMMUNICATIONS.

BUT THIS AMENDMENT TO THAT IS REALLY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD USE THAT FOR STREETS OR TAX REDUCTION.

IF YOU CAN KEEP IT TO THAT.

>> I NEEDED JUST SAY, I'M GOING TO NEED TO BE REAL COMFORTABLE NOW SAY THAT.

CUTTING MARKETING RIGHT NOW THE AMENDMENT IS SPEAKING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO SEND IT TO STREETS.

>> VERSUS TAX RELIEF IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

THAT WOULD BE THE MOST GERMANE CONVERSATION YOU CAN HAVE ON THIS AMENDMENT, AND THEN WHEN WE GO BACK UP TO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT, THAT WILL BE THE COMPENSATION ABOUT WHETHER I SHOULD COME OUT OF COMMUNICATIONS, PERIOD.

>> PERIOD. GOT YOU ON THAT.

[LAUGHTER]

>> IT'S HARD BECAUSE I KNOW I NEED STREETS, BUT I NEED THE COMMUNICATION TO GET FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT THE STREETS.

I GUESS IF I HAD MY DRUTHERS, I WOULD SEND IT TO THE STREETS.

BUT THAT PUTS ME MORE IN THE STREET AND MY STAFF TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT, SO IT'S ROUGH.

BUT IF I HAVE TO SAY TODAY, YES, I WOULD HAVE TO SAY STREETS.

THAT WRAPS UP MY COMMENTS.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIKE THE AMENDMENT THEN.

PERFECT. BUT DID YOU WANT TO GET A MAYOR PRO TEM YOU'RE NEXT ON THE QUEUE, WERE YOU? JOEL, MICHELLE'S, WERE YOU IN? I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, SO GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE IS, SO IS IT THE 811,965 OR THE 535, 360?

>> THANK YOU, MS. SCHULTZ IT'S 811,965.

WE SENT THE AMOUNT THIS MORNING TO CORRECT THREE OF MR. RIDLELY'S THAT WE HAD A MISUNDERSTANDING ON IT.

>> I SHOULD TOSS OUT THIS ONE.

SHOULD I JUST TOSS OUT THIS WHOLE THING FROM 91?

>> YEAH PROBABLY. IF YOU PRINTED THE OTHER, YES.

>> OH, I PRINT EVERYTHING.

>> I WILL ALLOW 965.

>> THEN SO FROM THAT NUMBER IN TERMS OF STREETS VERSUS TAX RATE, COULD YOU GIVE THE IMPACT ON THE AVERAGE $324,000 OF THAT 0.0416, WHAT'S THAT SAVINGS TO OUR RESIDENTS?

>> THAT'S GOING TO TAKE ONE SECOND, BUT YOU'RE CORRECT.

[04:10:03]

IT'S 0.0416, JEANETTE.

>> IT'S 0.016.

>> 0.0416.

>> 0.0416, OKAY.

COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED A $0.01 REDUCTION.

>> IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOW MUCH THIS PARTICULAR REDUCTION WILL IMPACT AT $324,000.

>> BY ITSELF, ONE SECOND.

OR CAN I GIVE YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED AND WHAT THIS WILL DO?

>> YOU CAN TRY, SEE IF I CAN UNDERSTAND.

>> YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED A $0.01 REDUCTION.

ADDING THIS INCREMENTAL AMOUNT WILL REDUCE THE AMOUNT BY $1.11.

>> $1.11?

>> CORRECT.

>> THEN I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE MAIN MOTION, MR. MAYOR, YOU CAN CLARIFY IS WHAT EITHER WAY I WANTED MS. QUAY TO SHARE AGAIN, AND THIS MAY BE THE MAIN MOTION THE IMPACT OF THAT 811,965, SPECIFICALLY THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY IF BUDGET IS FOR 25.

>> THAT ACTUALLY WOULD BE MORE GERMANE TO THE ORIGINAL ONE.

>> THANK YOU. I'M FINISHED, THANK YOU.

>> YOU'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER WAY.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA HAVE YOU GOTTEN IN YET? YOU NEED TO GET IN?

>> YES, I DO.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR TO ADJUST THE SOURCE OF FUNDS AMOUNT FROM 811,965 TO 611,965, FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF KEEPING IN THE CRISIS COMMUNICATION AND THE EQUITABLE LANGUAGE ACCESS POSITIONS THAT THIS WOULD IMPACT AND CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME USE OF FUNDS THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR FOR STREET REPAIR.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, SO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO OR YOU FEEL YOU'VE ALREADY SAID ENOUGH.

>> I THINK I'VE EXPLAINED THAT MR. MAYOR.

>> ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT TO ITEM 18.

>> ANY RESTATE TO THAT AMENDMENT?

>> YOU CAN RESTATE THE AMENDMENT, MR. BAZALDUA BUT I THINK OKAY. GO AHEAD.

>> I'LL DO IT WITH LESS COMMENTARY MAYOR.

THE SOURCE OF FUNDS TO CHANGE TO 611,965 INSTEAD OF THE 811,965.

JUST REDUCING WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING CONSIDERED BY $200,000 FOR THE SAME USE OF FUNDS THAT WOULD KEEP IN THE CRISIS COMMUNICATION AND THE EQUITABLE LANGUAGE ACCESS POSITIONS.

>> DOES THAT MAKES SENSE? I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE QUEUE.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS AMENDMENT? LET'S SEE THE CARDS, IF YOU'D LIKE.

OH, MR. RIDLELY, YOU RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES THEN.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR JACK.

WHEN I ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THIS AMENDMENT, I ASKED FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD KEEP COLUMNS AT THE SAME LEVEL THEY ACTUALLY ARE FORECASTED TO SPEND IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

YOU PUT THE NUMBER TO IT.

I SAID THAT THAT NUMBER SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ANY REQUIRED CONTRACTUAL SALARY AND BENEFIT IN PENSION INCREASES, AND THUS, IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN THE ELIMINATION OF ANY EXISTING POSITIONS; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR.

>> SO IT WOULD ONLY ELIMINATE ANY EXPANSION OF THE DEPARTMENT BEYOND WHAT THEY ARE FUNDED FOR THIS YEAR AND ARE GOING TO SPEND THIS YEAR?

>> YES, SIR. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT UNLESS WE MISS SOMETHING THAT.

>> SO IT WOULD NOT RESULT IN THE LOSS OF FOUR FTES?

>> AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS FISCAL YEAR WE HAD A NUMBER OF FTE VACANCIES WHICH WE FILLED DURING THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THIS AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY FOR THE SUPPORT OF RACIAL EQUITY PLAN ADOPTED GOALS BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE TWO FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES DEDICATED TO LANGUAGE ACCESS CITYWIDE AND WE RELY ON A CONTRACT VENDOR TO PROVIDE TRANSLATION TO THE OTHER LANGUAGES REQUESTED.

WE'VE SEEN THE INCREASE FOR LANGUAGE ACCESS SERVICE REQUESTS INCREASED 20 TIMES OVER THE TWO FISCAL YEARS SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF OUR LANGUAGE ACCESS CENTER OF EXCELLENCE.

[04:15:02]

ADDITIONALLY, THE CRISIS COMMUNICATIONS TRAINING REQUESTED WHICH IS $100,000 WOULD BE THREATENED BY THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE FACED NUMEROUS CRISES IN RECENT MEMORY AS YOU ALL KNOW, DOUBT, AND RECALL IN ONE OF WHICH IS ON OUR AGENDA LATER TODAY AND SO OUR CAPACITY FOR TRAINING ADDITIONAL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND THE MEDIA IN RESPONSE TO CRISIS WOULD BE LIMITED.

>> WELL, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU WOULD LOSE FOUR FTES THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT OF THIS ORIGINAL AMENDMENT AND SO I'M WONDERING HOW WE GOT THERE.

>> FIRST OF ALL, LET ME RESPOND.

I THINK ONE, WE'RE GETTING VERY GRANULAR WITH THE POSITION.

IF YOU TURN TO PAGE 277 OF THE BUDGET IT'S VERY CLEAR IF YOUR BUDGET AMENDMENT WHICH I WOULD SAY ON ITS FACE YOU'RE PROPOSING ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET TO THE CURRENT FORECASTED BUDGET, NOT THE ADOPTED BUDGET.

THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION KNOWN AND UNEXPECTED THINGS THAT ARE ONGOING RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE POSITIONS.

YOU SHOULD ALWAYS IN MY OPINION GO FROM THE ADOPTED BUDGET TO THE NEW BUDGET BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE PRESENT THE BUDGET.

THAT WOULD JUST BE MY BUDGETARY COMMENTARY.

IF YOU GO TO THAT PAGE, WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING IN ESSENCE IN ITS PUREST SENSE IS THERE ARE $685,000 AND SIX POSITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH ADJUSTMENTS TO THIS BUDGET OVER THE ADOPTED BUDGET.

PERIOD. THE POSITIONS OF GROWTH THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I BELIEVE ARE THERE WERE THREE POSITIONS FUNDED WITH ARPA FUNDS THAT IS NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO THIS DEPARTMENT.

THEREFORE IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE THOSE SERVICES FOR WHICH THEY WILL BE PROVIDING THE ASSISTANCE IN THE MULTIMEDIA AREA IN THE OTHER AREAS THAT CATHERINE SPOKE ABOUT.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP FINDING THOSE POSITIONS TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT I THINK HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL TO THIS COMMUNITY, THEN WE NEED TO FUND THOSE AND THAT'S $180,000.

THERE'S $25,000 ASSOCIATED WITH CUSTODIAL WORK AT THE MULTIMEDIA CENTER TO MAKE SURE AGAIN THAT WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE ASSET THAT WE INVESTED $11 MILLION IN.

THERE'S THREE POSITIONS AND $281,000, ONE FOR AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO ADD FOR WHICH AGAIN IF I HEARD AND UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNSELS MANY CONCERNS AROUND OUR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT IS, IS THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE OR AT LEAST ONE PERSON THAT IS SERVING AS THE SPOKESPERSON.

TO DEAL WITH CRISIS COMMUNICATION THE DIRECTOR IS THAT ONLY HIGH LEVEL EMPLOYEE AND SHE IS WORKING ON THE DAY-TO-DAY THINGS IN THE ORGANIZATION, JUST RESPONDING AND MANAGING MEDIA REQUESTS, TRYING TO ADD ANOTHER EXECUTIVE TO SUPPORT THAT FUNCTION AND ROLE EITHER WHERE THAT'S OUR FRONT PERSON BEING THE DIRECTOR AND/OR THAT AD SERVING IN THAT ROLE AS WELL AS A GRAPHICS DESIGN POSITION AND OTHER FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE WORKING PARTICULARLY AROUND A LOT OF AGAIN OUR EQUITABLE OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S FOR, THEN THERE'S $200,000 AS COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA MENTIONED.

ONE FOR FUNDING TO SUPPORT CRISIS AND MEDIA TRAINING.

I THINK CATHERINE SPOKE TO THAT AND THE OTHER TO ADD $100,000 TO OUR EQUITABLE LANGUAGE ACCESS TO AGAIN, STRENGTHEN OUR LANGUAGE ACCESS AVAILABILITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

AS I'VE SEEN SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S PRETTY MUCH NONEXISTENT BEFORE FIVE YEARS AGO THAT NOW WE ARE REQUIRING AND DOING MORE THINGS IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES DEPENDING ON WHERE WE'RE FINDING THE WAY TO DO THE OUTREACH.

THAT'S $685,000 OF NEW THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT $811,000.

IN ESSENCE WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS IF YOU GO TO 811, SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO REDUCE FROM HER ADOPTED BUDGET $235,000 MINUS ANY SALARY AND INFLATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SPOKE TO.

IT WILL BE A DIRECT REDUCTION AS IT RELATES TO THINGS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO SALARIES AND OTHER GROWTH THAT YOU EXCUSE FOR.

IF I'M MISINTERPRETING WHAT THAT MEANS JACK, THEN PLEASE CLARIFY FOR ME.

>> YOU GOT IT EXACTLY AND THAT 235 IS BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER BUDGET THIS YEAR, AND SO YOU'RE CUTTING 600 FROM NEW SERVICES.

BY USING THEIR FORECAST AS YOUR STARTING POINT, YOU'RE CUTTING 200 OF CURRENT YEAR BUDGETED THAT WASN'T EXPENDED AT THAT POINT.

>> THANK YOU JACK. YOU ALWAYS MAKE ME FEEL LIKE I HAVEN'T LOST MY BUDGET SO THANK YOU.

>> YOU GOT IT SIR.

>> WELL, THIS DOES RAISE A BIGGER ISSUE, WHICH IS WE CANNOT AFFORD TO REPLACE ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE FUNDED THROUGH ARPA OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.

WE KNEW THAT WHEN WE GOT THE MONEY AND WE'RE IN THAT SITUATION NOW AS THAT MONEY BLEEDS OFF.

>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT PARTICULARLY.

I THINK IF YOU REVIEW THE MEMORANDUM THAT JACK SENT OUT THIS MORNING RELATED TO ARPA FUNDING AND WHAT WE FUNDED WITH ARPA AND WHAT IS CONTINUING AND ONGOING, THERE ARE PROBABLY FIVE ADD-ON ITEMS OUT OF 75-100 THAT WILL BE CONTINUED AND TWO OF THOSE WERE OVERTIME FUNDING FOR POLICE AND FIRE.

[04:20:02]

THE OTHERS ARE VERY MINIMAL AND THEY'VE GONE TO A ONE-TIME THING.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE, THAT'S WHY IT'S BEING CONSIDERED TODAY FOR YOU TO DO IT.

THERE ARE NOT MANY OF THOSE, EXCEPT IN AREAS THAT ARE CRITICAL THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO DO AND/OR THEY STARTED AS PILOT PROGRAMS AND NOW WE'VE REALIZED THEY'VE BEEN IMPORTANT AND THEY'VE BEEN BENEFICIAL.

THAT IS NOT AN ACROSS-THE-BOARD THING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND WE SAID THAT GOING IN AND WE DIDN'T PUSH A LOT OF ITEMS FROM ARPA INTO ONGOING FUNDING THE BEST WE COULD.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING WITH THIS AMENDMENT AND WHAT YOU'D BE GIVING UP SPECIFICALLY.

AGAIN AS I'D ALWAYS WOULD SAY IS COUNCIL IS PREROGATIVE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN A REQUEST IS MADE TO DO ANYTHING IN COMMS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO NOT DO IT AND/OR IT'S JUST GOING TO TAKE LONGER TO GET IT DONE.

THE DISSATISFACTION IF THERE IS ANY NOW WILL ONLY BE MAGNIFIED IF YOU MAKE THIS REDUCTION, PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO CUTTING INTO THE EXISTING ADOPTED BUDGET BASED OFF THE FORECAST AND NOT EXPANDING WHAT I'M HEARING MORE OF FROM EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER IS MORE LANGUAGE ACCESS FOR EVERY DOCUMENT, EVERY PLANNING MEETING WE HAVE.

WE'RE DOING MUCH MORE THAN I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO BE AND IT SHOULD BECOME THE NORM, BUT IT COSTS MONEY TO DO IT.

I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO FIND A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO GET IT DONE BY PROPOSING TO ADD THESE RESOURCES TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITH STAFF MEMBERS IN THAT CAPACITY. THANK YOU.

>> NOW BEFORE YOU RESPOND OR SAY ANYTHING ELSE, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS.

NOW I DIDN'T AT ALL WANT TO INTERRUPT THE [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S BENEFICIAL CONVERSATION TO HAVE, BUT I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE'RE STILL ON IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN, THIS CUT WERE TO HAPPEN, WHETHER OR NOT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT APPLIED TO TAX REDUCTION OR STREETS, NOT WHETHER OR NOT THE CUTS SHOULD HAPPEN.

THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE VOTE ON THIS AND THEN GO BACK UP TO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT.

IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TWICE WHEN WE SHOULD ONLY HAVE IT ONCE.

YOUR RESPONSE TO HIM IT WOULD NECESSARILY BE GERMANE.

>> I DO NOT OPPOSE THE REDUCTION IN THE SOURCE OF FUNDS TO THE AMENDED 611965.

I WOULD PROPOSE A FURTHER AMENDMENT THAT THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS.

>> THAT'S ONE-TO-MANY, WE CAN'T HAVE THAT MANY PENDING.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT TWO AMENDMENTS ON THE FLOOR.

>> OKAY.

>> WE HAVE TO RESOLVE THIS ONE FIRST.

ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE AMENDMENT BY MR. BAZALDUA TO TAKE THE 811965 TO 611965 AND PUT THE 200,000, LEAVE IT BASICALLY.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE, SO I'LL SHOW THE CARDS IF YOU LIKED THAT IDEA.

>> WITH 11 VOTING IN FAVOR OF THIS AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD MR. MAYOR.

>> NOW WE ARE BACK ON THE WILLIS AMENDMENT, BUT IT'S BEEN MODIFIED WITH THAT CHANGE, THAT BIFURCATION.

MR. RIDLEY I WISH I WOULD RECOGNIZE THEM IN THE WILLIS AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, I WOULD PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS AMENDMENT TO SPLIT THE USE OF FUNDS 50/50 BETWEEN STREETS AND TAX REDUCTION.

>> POINT OF ORDER.

[LAUGHTER]

>> GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> CAN WE AMEND OUR OWN MAIN MOTION?

>> I'LL LET THE PARLIAMENTARIAN SAY HOW TO CHARACTERIZE WHAT JUST HAPPENED, BUT OKAY.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE MOTION IS TO SPLIT 50/50 BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT USES OF FUNDS.

I THINK THAT'S AN ORDER.

>> FROM THE PERSON THAT HAS THE ORIGINAL OUTLINE MOTION ON THE FLOOR?

>> YES, BECAUSE IT'S CHANGED SINCE THE ORIGINAL MOTION HAS BEEN MADE.

>> DID YOU HEAR THAT MR. BAZALDUA?

>> I HEARD THE RULING. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

>> YOU GOT IT. I'M LOOKING FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON YOUR OWN AMENDMENT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW? AS MANY MINUTES DID YOU NEED.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE WE WERE.

I GUESS WE DIDN'T DO THAT.

IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE MR. RIDLEY'S 50/50? WELL, THAT'S NEW AND DIFFERENT.

FOR LACK OF A SECOND THAN THAT, THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT FAILS.

WE ARE BACKUP TO THE WILLIS AMENDMENT.

AS IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED THOUGH BY THE 611965 CHANGE.

THAT DID HAPPEN. ARE WE BACK UP?

[04:25:05]

NO. I DON'T THINK WE ARE.

WE'RE BACK UP. THAT'S RIGHT. I WASN'T HERE FOR ALL OF IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NOW WE ARE BACK ON TO MS. WILLIS' AMENDMENT AND I STILL DON'T SEE ANYONE.

I GUESS WE SHOW CARDS NOW ON MS. WILLIS' AMENDMENT AS AMENDED WITH THE BAZALDUA AMENDMENT.

JUST TO CLARIFY WHERE WE ARE NOW.

THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT THAT MS. WILLIS MADE WHICH IS STILL NOT THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT THAT PAUL REALLY SUBMITTED, IS AN AMENDMENT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY NOW TAKE THE 811965 AND SPLIT IT BETWEEN 6119654 STREETS AND THE 200 IS STAYING IN COMMUNICATIONS IS WHAT IS BEING DECIDED NOW.

SO LET'S SEE THE CARDS ON THAT.

>> WITH EIGHT CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR, THIS AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD, MR. MAYOR.

>> OKAY. NOW, MR. RIDLEY'S MOTION IS BEEN AMENDED TO DO 61119652 STREETS AND 200 STAYS.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION?

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>> LET'S SEE THE CARDS ULTIMATELY NOW.

THIS IS THE MAIN MOTION NOW, IT'S BEEN FINALLY AMENDED.

[BACKGROUND]

>> WITH EIGHT VOTING IN FAVOR, THIS AMENDMENT MOVES FORWARD, MR. MAYOR.

>> OKAY. WE'VE ADOPTED AMENDMENT 18 AS IT WAS AMENDED.

WONDERFUL. WHO ELSE HAS AN AMENDMENT? YOUR FAVORITE ONE? MS. BLACKMON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION.

>> ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW ALL MINE.

THEY'VE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE BAZALDUA AMENDMENTS, SO JUST TAKE THOSE OFF THE TABLE.

>> NOW, THAT'S LEADERSHIP PEOPLE. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT MS. BLACKMON. THAT'S LEADERSHIP.

[APPLAUSE]

>> WE WILL BE HAVING DRINKS LATER ON THE OUTSIDE.

>> EXACTLY. I'M BUYING ON THAT ONE.

THANK YOU. ANY OBJECTION? I DON'T HEAR ANY.

I GOT YOU. SERIOUSLY THAT'S WONDERFUL.

ANYONE ELSE? WE'LL ENTERTAIN MR. WEST?

>> YES, MAYOR. WELL, AND I DO WANT TO SAY WHAT I THINK IS GOOD NEWS.

THESE AMENDMENTS I'M WITHDRAWING.

TWO, FOUR, FIVE, SEVEN, EIGHT, 10 AND 11, AND I'LL TAKE UP AMENDMENT 3 AT THIS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED TO SECOND.

MR. WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT NUMBER 3.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS MIGHT BE EASY BECAUSE I'M NOT ASKING FOR SUPPORT ON THIS.

I'D HAVE A STATEMENT TO MAKE.

A FEW YEARS AGO AN ESTABLISHED OPERATOR OF CARD ROOMS CAME TO THE CITY OF DALLAS AND PROPOSED TO OPEN A SIMILAR OPERATION IN DALLAS AS IT HAS EXISTED FOR YEARS IN AUSTIN AND OTHER TEXAS CITIES WITH NO ISSUES.

AT THAT TIME, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE STUDIED THE ISSUE AND CONCLUDED THAT THE PROPOSED OPERATION AND BUSINESS MODEL WAS LEGAL UNDER EXISTING TEXAS LAW, AND ADVISED COUNCIL ACCORDINGLY.

COUNCIL EVEN APPROVED A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT THROUGH OUR PUBLIC ZONING PROCESS FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.

THE OPERATOR ULTIMATELY ELECTED TO USE ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE CITY.

WELL, AFTER THAT APPROVAL, THE CITY STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY REVERSED THEIR POSITION ON THESE USES AND DETERMINED THAT THEY WERE NOT ILLEGAL USE UNDER THE APPLICABLE TEXAS STATUTE.

THIS LED TO HEARINGS BEFORE OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH RULED THAT THIS REVERSAL WAS DONE IN ERROR, MEANING THAT THE POKER ROOM SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE.

[04:30:03]

THIS HAS LED TO VERY EXPENSIVE LITIGATION.

WHEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND CITY ATTORNEY SUED THE VOLUNTEER MEMBERS OF OUR BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WITH THE TAXPAYERS OF DALLAS PAYING FOR OUTSIDE COUNCIL ON BOTH SIDES.

ON JANUARY 25TH OF THIS YEAR, COUNCIL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DIRECT CITY STAFF TO DRAFT A NEW LAND USE CATEGORY SO CARD ROOMS CONTINUE TO OPERATE LEGALLY WITHIN THE PROVISIONS OF TEXAS STATE LAW WITH APPROPRIATE LAND USE RELATED SAFEGUARDS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

TO DATE, NO LAND USE CATEGORY HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US AFTER NINE MONTHS, EIGHT MONTHS, AND SOME CHANGE WITH CITY STAFF.

THE FACT IS THAT PLAYING POKER AND UNDERGROUND GAMES HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES IN DALLAS AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.

INSTEAD OF ABOVEBOARD AND REGULATED OPERATIONS WHICH CREATE JOBS, PROVIDE REVENUE AND VALUE TO OUR CITY, UNDERGROUND GAMES ARE NOT REGULATED AND ARE FREQUENTLY ACCOMPANIED BY OTHER FORMS OF ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND ADVERSE IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY.

WE WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE AN ABOVEBOARD IN APPROPRIATELY REGULATED USE.

FOR EXAMPLE, JUST ONE OPERATOR EMPLOYS WELL OVER 200 EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, THE MAJORITY OF WHOM LIVE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS ITSELF.

THESE EMPLOYEES MAKE SEVERAL TIMES MORE THAN MINIMUM WAGE AND RECEIVE GOOD BENEFITS.

THESE OPERATIONS ALSO PAY LARGE SUMS OF SALES TAX REVENUE AND FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

I BRING THIS UP TODAY TO GIVE COUNCIL A COURTESY HEADS UP THAT I DO PLAN ON PROPOSING A RESOLUTION TO PRESENT SOON, WHICH DIRECTS CITY STAFF TO FINISH THEIR WORK QUICKLY ON A PATH TO LEGALIZATION WHILE WE WAIT FOR THE STATE TO BRING UP THIS ISSUE ON A STATEWIDE BASIS, AND ALSO DIRECTS A MORATORIUM ON NEW LOCATIONS PENDING THE ADOPTION OF THESE NEW LAND USE REGULATIONS AT THE STATE OF TEXAS.

I THINK THIS WILL END THE HEAVY EXPENDITURES OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO PAY TWO SETS OF ATTORNEY FEES AND FOR THE CITY TO SUE ITSELF.

I THINK IT WILL PROTECT GOOD JOBS AND A SUBSTANTIAL SALES TAX REVENUE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, MAYOR, I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION.

[LAUGHTER]

>> CHAD, YOU'RE STILL KILLING ME TODAY.

BUT I WILL TAKE IT. NUMBER 3 IS WITHDRAWN AS WELL.

WHO ELSE HAS AN AMENDMENT THEY'D LIKE TO GO WITH? PAULA BLACKMON HAVE YOU PUT FORWARD AN AMENDMENT THAT YOU WANT? ALL OF THEM. WILLIS, HAVE YOU PERFORMED A MEMBER THAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT?

>> NO. I'D LIKE TO REMOVE AMENDMENT 31.

>> WHO HAS AMENDMENTS THEY ACTUALLY REALLY WANT? MR. GRACEY, DO YOU HAVE AMENDMENT YOU WANT BEFORE WE GET TO A SECOND ROUND FOR ANYONE?

>> NO, I THINK THE ONLY ONE I'M TRYING TO GET BACK TO MY NUMBERS HERE.

>> TAKE YOUR TIME. I MEAN, NOT TOO MUCH TIME. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>> RIGHT.

>> THEN WE'LL GO TO SECOND ROUND FOR FOLKS WHO'VE GOTTEN ONE HEARD.

>> YOU CAN REMOVE NUMBER 62 AND 64.

>> I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE.

I'M HAVING A SIDEBAR THERE. DID YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER?

>> YEAH, 62 AND 64 REMOVE.

>> YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW THOSE?

>> YEAH, WITHDRAWAL.

>> THAT'S FINE.

>> YEAH.

>> THANK YOU. YOU DON'T GET AS MUCH LOVE AS PAULA BLACKMON DID BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AS MANY.

BUT YOU DO GET LOVE FOR THAT.

>> I SHOULD GET LOVE BECAUSE I DIDN'T SUBMIT THEM ANYHOW [INAUDIBLE].

[LAUGHTER]

>> THAT'S THE LOVE THE CITY MANAGER GIVES YOU. I DON'T GIVE LOVE FOR THAT.

CITY MANAGER LOVES YOU WHEN YOU DON'T SUBMIT ANY.

ANYONE ELSE WHO HASN'T DONE ONE YET BEFORE I GO BACK TO CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN FOR A SECOND ONE.

OKAY. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN YOU'RE UP.

>> OKAY. NO LOVE COMING THIS WAY.

LOTS OF AMENDMENTS THAT ARE NOT BEING WITHDRAWN.

WE'RE ONTO NUMBER 34, PLEASE.

>> JUST MOVE IT FIRST.

MAKE A MOTION ON IT FIRST.

>> YES.

>> I MOVED TO USE MULTIPLE SOURCES [LAUGHTER]

>> OF FUNDING, INCLUDING DATA ANALYTICS FOR $1,307,806, HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION FOR 2,744,479, HUMAN RESOURCES, 1,504,407.

MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR COMS, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ORDER ANYMORE; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> PARDON ME THAT, SHE'S ASKING.

>> YEAH. I BELIEVE SINCE I JUST WENT TO STREETS, I'M GOING TO REMOVE THAT ONE.

MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, 325,380, MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR EQUITY AND INCLUSION, 578,629 AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS,

[04:35:02]

$1,389,860, AND ALL OF THAT USE OF FUNDS WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE.

>> OKAY. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS, BEFORE WE ASKED FOR IT'S LIKE THE MOTION THEN IS AMENDMENT 34 WITHOUT THE 1,361,114.

BUT FOR THE SAME USE, AN OTHERWISE SAME SOURCES WITH JUST THE NUMBERS RECALCULATED. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT?

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION, CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN?

>> YES.

>> YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDMENT 34 WITH THE MODIFIED WAY IT WAS READ INTO THE RECORD.

>> THIS IS AGAIN IN CONNECTION WITH A MEMO THAT I WROTE TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THE BUDGET, WHICH IS IT'S REDUCING THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE GROWN MORE THAN 50 PERCENT IN FIVE YEARS FROM FISCAL YEAR 23 AND IT'S REDUCING THEM 5 PERCENT.

IN THE CASE OF DATA ANALYTICS, THEY'RE PROPOSING, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MOTION AS I SUBMITTED IT, THEY HAVE IN THERE THE YEAR OVER YEAR, DATA ANALYTICS IS ASKING FOR 20.9 PERCENT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR.

IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT'S GROWN 384 PERCENT.

HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IN THE DOCUMENT THAT IT'S A 57.4 PERCENT YEAR OVER YEAR INCREASE.

BUT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT'S GROWN 131 PERCENT.

FOR HUMAN RESOURCES.

AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE IN WRITING IT'S A 13 PERCENT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR.

BUT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS IT'S GROWN 56 PERCENT.

FOR OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT YEAR OVER YEAR, IT'S ASKING FOR 52.4 PERCENT INCREASE.

THIS IS A DEPARTMENT IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS GROWN 218 PERCENT.

FOR OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION, YEAR OVER YEAR, IT'S ASKING FOR 11.8 PERCENT INCREASE, BUT IT'S GROWN 703 PERCENT IN FIVE YEARS.

THEN ALSO WE HAVE INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS, WHICH I THINK WE COULD ALL AGREE DOES A GREAT JOB.

IT'S PROPOSED YEAR OVER YEAR 17.4 PERCENT, BUT IT'S GROWN 4,928 PERCENT IN FIVE YEARS.

ALL THIS IS DOING IS SAYING, TAKE THE YEAR 23 AND IN THIS CASE, ACTUALLY REDUCE AT FIVE PERCENT.

THESE ARE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE GROWN WAY TOO RAPIDLY.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT DOING GOOD WORK, DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT IMPORTANT TO US, BUT IT'S TOO FAST AND IT'S TOO MUCH.

THAT'S WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'LL SUPPORT TAX REDUCTION FOR THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE ON FOR OR AGAINST AMENDMENT 34 AS IT WAS READ, NOT AS IT'S WRITTEN, AS IT WAS READ.

THIS BILL IS BRINGING US FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION.

TO REMOVE THE REDUCTION OF HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION AND TO REMOVE THE REDUCTION OF MANAGEMENT SERVICES, OFFICE OF INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS AND ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE COLUMNS ITEM HAS ALREADY BEEN REMOVED.

>> THAT'S THE MOTION? IT'S BEEN SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION? MS. WILLIS, YOU REGULARS WERE FIVE-MINUTES IF YOU HAVE DISCUSSION, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY BEFORE YOU START DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST YOUR TIME.

STOP HER TIME AND STARTED OVER AGAIN AT FIVE BECAUSE IT'S [INAUDIBLE] MY CHAIR MY UNDERSTANDING THAT.

IT'S THE MENDELSOHN MOTION, BUT YOU'RE TAKING OUT NOW FROM THAT AND WHEN I SAY TAKE IT OUT.

I MEAN, NOT DOING THE REDUCTION FOR WHICH ONES?

>> HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION AND OFFICE OF INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS.

>> NOT THOSE TWO, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN PROPOSED.

GO AHEAD YOUR WRITINGS IS FOR FIVE MINUTES MS. WILLIS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE ON THIS AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY, THE AMENDMENT WAS A REDUCTION OF ALMOST ANOTHER HALF SENATE IN A PROPERTY TAX.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A SPIRIT AS WE'VE MOVED THROUGH THIS PROCESS AT GETTING TO AT LEAST A 1.5 CENT REDUCTION.

IT'S GREAT THAT WE ARE AT ONE CENT AS OF TODAY, BUT I KNOW THAT THE SPIRIT WAS TO KEEP PUSHING AND GET TO THAT NUMBER.

NOW AS I SEE THE COMPONENTS THAT MAKE UP THIS HALF CENT, I'M STRUGGLING WITH A COUPLE OF AREAS.

I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE HOLDING FLAT ON THE EMPLOYMENT OR ON THE BUDGETS OF THESE DEPARTMENTS.

THIS IS JUST KEEPING US AT THAT 2023 LEVEL.

BUT ON HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION, I JUST THINK WITH THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE'RE IN, WITH THE SITUATION THAT WE'VE GOT AND TRYING TO MANAGE OUR HOMELESS POPULATION,

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I'M NOT COMFORTABLE IN TOUCHING THAT AREA.

I THINK WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET THERE.

THEN I ALSO THINK OUR OFFICE OF INTEGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS IS DOING A GREAT JOB.

THAT IS ON THE GROUND WORK.

THAT IS A GREAT COMPLIMENT TO WHAT OUR DPD OFFICERS DO.

I'M VERY HESITANT TO BRIDLE THAT.

BUT WHILE THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, I'M CERTAINLY A BELIEVER IN, I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT SOME INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING TO US IN THE FORM OF AUDITS AND OTHERWISE AND JUST GOOD MANAGEMENT.

I THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF GROWTH AND THAT THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH TEMPERING IT IN THE NAME OF A TAX RATE REDUCTION THIS YEAR.

I'M SUPPORTING THAT AMENDMENT.

>> CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ, FIVE MINUTES ON THE WILLIS AMENDMENT TO CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN'S NUMBER 34.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I GUESS IT SPEAKS TO BOTH THOUGH, BECAUSE THE WILLIS AMENDMENT LEAVES IN THESE OTHER ONES.

I HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE, CORRECT?

>> YOU CAN SPEAK AS TO HOW THEY RELATE TO EACH OTHER, BUT ULTIMATELY, THE FINAL VOTE WILL BE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU DO WHAT MS. MENDELSOHN ORIGINALLY READ.

THIS IS BASICALLY WHETHER OR NO YOU WANT TO CHANGE FROM WHAT MS. MENDELSOHN SAID TO WHAT MS. WILLIS WOULD CHANGE ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY SIMILAR DISCUSSION TO THE TO THE MAIN MOTION BECAUSE IT'S TWO ITEMS DIFFERENT.

SPEAKING TO WHY YOU WOULD RATHER NOT DO THOSE TWO, OR WHETHER YOU'D RATHER DO THOSE TWO WOULD BE.

>> WELL, LET'S JUST RIP OFF THE BAND-AID.

LET'S START WITH THE NEW DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED, THAT THEY BE LEFT IN ON THIS AMENDMENT.

THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND THEN ALLOW ME CLARIFY ALSO, PLEASE.

IS THERE ANY FURTHER REDUCTION THEN ON THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT OR IS THAT THE NEW NUMBER NOW IS LEAVING. SHE TOOK THAT ONE OUT?

>> IT WAS RESOLVED.

>> THE ONLY NEW DEPARTMENT THAT'S IN HERE AND ALSO DATA ANALYTICS, THOSE ARE BOTH RELATIVELY NEW DEPARTMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT, MR. CITY MANAGER? I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THOSE DEPARTMENTS ARE.

>> YES. THE DATA ANALYTICS DEPARTMENT IS NEW, UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT WAS A PULL TOGETHER FROM STAFF FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS SUCH AS IT AND THEIR GIS UNIT, AND OTHER DATA ANALYSTS TYPE POSITIONS THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

IN A LARGE PART OF THAT 1.3 MILLION, IF I MUST CLARIFY, IS OUT OF THE CONTROL OF THE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S BASICALLY AND I'LL HAVE JACQUELINE SPEAK TO WHAT THE AMOUNT IS, IS PROBABLY SOME $800,000 AND DATA PROGRAMMING ASSOCIATED WITH A SACRED CODE, WHICH IS THE COST THAT IT HAS EXPANDED AND UTILIZES FOR THEIR SOFTWARE AND THE THINGS THAT THEY BUY AND PURCHASE FOR THEM.

BUT THEN THEY'RE FUNDED BY SACRED CODES OR WHATEVER FROM DEPARTMENTS.

ELIMINATING THIS AMOUNT, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AND AGAIN, THE MECHANICS OF IT, OF THIS, IT MAY REDUCE THAT AMOUNT APPARENTLY IN THE DATA ANALYTICS BUDGET.

BUT THEN THAT $800,000 WOULD THEN BE SPREAD TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL BASED ON THE FACT THAT THEY'LL UTILIZE THEM.

BUT IN REALITY, DATA ANALYTICS HAS TO USE THOSE THINGS TO EXIST.

I THINK WHERE I WOULD HOPE COUNSEL, IN THEIR CONSIDERATION OF THIS ITEM, THIS IS REMINISCENT TO A FEW YEARS AGO AND I'LL LET BRITA DEFINE AND DESCRIBE MANY OF THOSE THINGS IS WHERE THERE ARE ACROSS THE BOARD AND RANDOM, AND I USE THE WORD RANDOM IN A KIND WAY, CUTS THAT TAKE NO PARTICULAR SPECIFIC UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE OR UTILIZE AND OR WHAT THE FUNDING IS SUPPORTING IN THIS TYPE OF AMENDMENT THAT IS NOT BEING SURGICAL.

BUT I THINK IN SOME CASES IS DOING THINGS THAT MIGHT ACTUALLY HARM AND UNFUND THINGS THAT YOU VERY MUCH ARE APPRECIATIVE OF, THAT ARE BECOMING CUSTOMARY AND STANDARD IN THE ORGANIZATION.

BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THAT IN DATA ANALYTICS BECAUSE I THINK I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT NUMBER AND THERE'S A BIG NUMBER IN THERE, BUT THAT'S PUSHED CALLS FROM IT FOR ALL THE INVESTMENT WE'VE MADE AN IMPROVEMENT AI TECHNOLOGY, I THINK TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.

BRITA, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON THE IMPACTS OF THAT FOR YOUR SPECIFICALY.

>> SURE. THANK YOU.

BRITA UNDER CHECK DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ.

IT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO LEAD THE CITY TOWARDS BEING MORE DATA-DRIVEN IN THIS LAST THREE YEARS.

OCTOBER 1ST IS OUR THIRD BIRTHDAY AND AS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE CQI MANAGER MENTIONED.

WE PULLED POSITIONS FROM MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS TO CREATE THAT INITIAL DEPARTMENT.

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IN AT LEAST 60 OR 75 PERCENT OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE EXISTING AND AREN'T TRULY GROWTH.

TO GET TO 1.3, A HUGE PART OF THAT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL.

IT'S INSIDE OF THOSE 3,000, THOSE SACRED CODES.

WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REDUCE THOSE TO THOSE 23 LEVELS.

THAT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

TO GET TO A CUT OF 1.3, I'D BE ELIMINATING TWO TO THREE TEAMS THAT HAVE PEOPLE IN THEM.

THINGS LIKE OUR GIS TEAM, WHICH PROVIDES ALL OF OUR MAPS, PROVIDES ALL OF OUR PLACE-BASED DATA, ARE LOCATIONAL ACCURACY DATA THAT FUNDS ARE FILLS OUR CAD SYSTEM.

I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THIS IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND, BUT THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENS WHEN A 911 CALL COMES IN IS THEY ACCESS OUR DATASETS THAT WE MAINTAIN TO GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO.

IT WOULD ALSO ELIMINATE POTENTIALLY OUR ADVANCED ANALYTICS TEAM, WHICH IS THE WORK THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO.

WE'VE RECENTLY WORKED ON A PREDICTIVE MODEL FOR FIRE THAT'S GOING TO SHOW WHERE THE HIGHEST RISK BUILDINGS ARE IN TERMS OF WHERE IN A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FIRE IN THE CITY.

WE'RE USING MACHINE LEARNING TO PREDICT THOSE THINGS.

THE FIRE CHIEFS ARE EXCITED BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO REVOLUTIONIZE THE WAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE LIVES.

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO.

THIS IS NOT A REDUCTION TO SAY HOLD TO WHERE YOU ARE.

THIS IS A HUGE, SIGNIFICANT CUT THAT WOULD ELIMINATE 1/3 OF MY PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY ON THE TEAM.

I HOPE THAT THAT IS HELPFUL IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE THIS DEPARTMENT AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I'M HAPPY TO CLARIFY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRWOMAN, I GOT TO JUMP IN HERE REALLY QUICKLY BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

I NEVER WANT TO CUT OFF OUR STAFF.

BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO BASICALLY SAY NOW IS, WHAT'S REALLY GERMANE TO THIS DISCUSSION IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT MS. MENDELSOHN HAS PROPOSED AND WHAT MS. WILLIS HAS PROPOSED, WHICH IS REALLY THE HOUSING NEIGHBORHOOD VISUALIZATION PART.

THE AUTHORS IMMIGRATED PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS PART BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS AND DEBATE THE MERITS OF ALL OF IT AS AN IDEA, WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE MAIN MOTION.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OTHERWISE, THIS IS HOW WE AVOID HAVING THE SAME DEBATE TWICE.

>> THAT'S FAIR. I WILL STOP NOW.

>> UNLESS YOUR QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES.

>> ANYTHING THAT GETS WRAPPED IN, I'M FINE WITH. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR.

>> ON THE AMENDMENT? YES. I SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.

I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT SOME RESERVATIONS THAT I'M GOING TO RESERVE TILL WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION.

BUT I APPRECIATE CHAIRWOMAN WILLIS PULLING OUT THE HOUSING AND PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE THAT I WAS ORIGINALLY DID NOT SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE OF OUR DESPERATE NEED AND HOUSING RIGHT NOW.

I'LL SAVE THE REST OF MY COMMENTS FOR THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT.

>> OF COURSE. MS. BLACKMON, ANYTHING? YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. IT'S LOOKING LIKE THE NET IS 3.7; IS THAT CORRECT? AFTER WE TAKE OUT ALL THE THREE ITEMS?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S 3,716,222.

>> WHAT IS THAT IN SENSE? HOW MUCH WOULD WE ADD TO THE TAX RATE?

>> THAT'S A REDUCTION OF 0.19 CENTS.

>> WE'D BE AT ONE AND 1.1 CENTS.

>> ADDING THE ONES CENT THAT YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED, YOU WILL BE AT 0.7312.

>> WITH THESE REDUCTIONS I THINK WE HEARD FROM BRITA IN HUMAN RESOURCES, WHAT WOULD BE FOREGONE? IN POLICE OVERSIGHT, OFFICE EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

WHAT ARE WE NOT BUYING IF THAT ITEM PASSES?

>> THANK YOU. LET'S START WITH, HE SAID COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.

>> THAT'S A THREE.

>> THAT IS ONE OF THEM I THINK SO.

>> POINT OF ORDER, MR. MAYOR, ISN'T THIS TO REMAIN TO THE ORIGINAL UNDERLYING MOTION, NOT THE AMENDMENT.

>> YOUR RIGHT.

>> HOME SAFETY SOLUTIONS. IT'S A SEPARATE ITEM.

I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY SOLUTIONS THOUGH.

WE GOT IT. WE NEED TO RESOLVE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO.

>> I'LL WAIT TILL THAT. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE WILLIS AMENDMENT?

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THEN WE NEED TO SEE THE CARDS ON THE WILLIS AMENDMENT FIRST.

>> WITH ONLY FOUR CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR, THE AMENDMENT FAILS MR. MAYOR.

>> ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT WE'RE STILL NOW DEBATING THE ORIGINAL 34 AS IT WAS READ, WHICH IS ALL OF THOSE THINGS MINUS THE 1.361 MILLION FOR COMMUNICATIONS.

I SEE LIT UP QUEUE.

LET'S SEE WHERE WE WERE. NOW I DON'T SEE ANYONE IN THE QUEUE.

NOW SEE CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ IN THE QUEUE.

CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ YOU'RE ACTUALLY FIVE MINUTES ON.

WE'RE BACK UP TO.

>> THE ORIGINAL.

>> THEN YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANY OF IT YOU WANT TO.

>> I'M BACK TO WHERE I WANTED TO BE. THANK YOU, SIR.

I THINK THAT WE ANSWERED THE QUESTION TO ME OF THE DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.

IF WE WANT TO GO BACK TO A PAPER CITY, WE CAN KEEP DOING THAT, AND IF WE WANT TO CUT OUR WAY INTO HAVING PEOPLE GOING BACK TO THE STONE AGE AND NOT BE A DATA-DRIVEN CITY AND NOT MOVE FORWARD.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.

IF WE THINK THAT THAT'S EVER GOING TO BE FLAT, THEN WE REALLY ARE LIVING IN THE WRONG AGE.

THIS IS AN AGE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY INVEST IN DATA AND DATA INTELLIGENCE.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO USE.

THAT TO ME IS ONE OF THOSE ONES LIKE ARE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH PUBLIC SAFETY THAT WE ARE FOOLISH IF WE DO NOT INVEST IN.

TO ME THAT ONE I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE, DR. ANDREW CHECK FROM WHAT I ASKED, BUT I FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE WOULD BE, IT'S NOT RESPONSIBLE, IT'S JUST A FOOLISH ACT.

THE NEXT ONE, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER NEW ONE WHICH IS THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

WHICH HAS BEEN LET'S SEE, WE ADOPTED THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN LAST YEAR.

THEY'VE HAD LESS THAN A YEAR TO BE FULLY OPERATIONAL.

I FORGOT WHAT NUMBER CHAIR MENDELSOHN SUGGESTED THAT THEY HAD AS A GROWTH RATE.

BUT TO ME IT'S LIKE, HOW LONG HAS THIS OFFICE HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, DR. LINDSEY WILSON, DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION AND JUST A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING POINT.

THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2020 AFTER THE FOUR OFFICES COMBINED TO PULL OUR SYNERGY TOGETHER.

THE OFFICE OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION IS INCLUSIVE OF THE EQUITY DIVISION, THE WELCOMING COMMUNITIES AND IMMIGRANT AFFAIRS DIVISION, HUMAN RIGHTS DIVISION, AND FAIR HOUSING.

>> JUST FROM A NUMBERS PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU WERE TO TOTAL UP HOW MUCH OF THOSE THREE BUDGETS THE ENTIRE EFFORT HAS GROWN LIKE, INCLUDING WHAT THOSE BUDGETS WOULD HAVE BEEN.

DO YOU HAVE A MORE ACCURATE NUMBER OF WHAT THE INCREASE IS IN OUR INEQUITY.

>>I CAN GET THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU.

I CAN TELL YOU WITHIN THE LAST YEAR WE'VE ONLY ADDED ONE FTE.

AS YOU MENTIONED, WE'VE SEEN THE EXPANSION OF THE WORK WITH A RACIAL EQUITY PLAN, WITH WELCOMING COMMUNITIES AND IMMIGRANT AFFAIRS WORK THAT'S HAPPENING WHERE WE'VE JUST BEEN RECERTIFIED AND HAS BEEN NAMED THE FIRST CITY IN TEXAS TO BRING WELCOMING INTERACTIVE.

WHILE THE WORK CONTINUES TO EXPAND OVER THE LAST COURSE OF THE YEAR, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE NEW FTE.

>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THE RACIAL EQUITY PLAN SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED?

>> IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAD ADOPTED ON AUGUST 23RD, 2022.

IT ALSO IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HEARD CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND THAT IS A DIRECT CORRELATION TO THE WAYS IN WHICH THIS OFFICE CONTINUES TO OPERATIONALIZE AND CHANGE SYSTEMS ACROSS ALL 42 OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.

>> THANK YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT HR.

DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN TO US WHY THIS MONEY SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED FROM THE BUDGET.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M KIMBERLY BIZOR TOLBERT, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

THE 1.5 MILLION IS INCLUSIVE OF THREE MAIN PIECES WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.

IN THE ENHANCEMENT FOR 24, WE'VE INCLUDED THE 1.2 MILLION OF THAT 1.5 SUPPORTS THE FULL WORKDAY IMPLEMENTATION.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE REMAINING MODULES WHICH INCLUDE THE RECRUITMENT, THE ONBOARDING, SO THAT WORKDAY IMPLEMENTATION IS EMBEDDED INTO THE UPCOMING BUDGET.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE COMPENSATION STUDY, THERE'S ABOUT $75,000 IN THE BUDGET THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR US TO CONTINUE OUR MARKET ANALYSIS, THE HEART TO FILL POSITIONS, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE DEPARTMENTS TO IDENTIFY THOSE POSITIONS AND SOLVE

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THE CONSULTANT WORK WOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THAT 75,000.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE'S ANOTHER 25,000 THAT WE'VE EARMARKED TO BUILD OUT THE MENTORING PROGRAM AND TO EXPAND OUR INTERNSHIP PROGRAM.

BOTH OF THOSE HAVE BEEN KEY DISCUSSION POINTS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE WORKFORCE EDUCATION EQUITY COMMITTEE.

IF YOU TAKE ALL THREE OF THOSE TOGETHER, YOU GET ABOUT $1.5 MILLION.

>> OF THE MONEY THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, ALL OF THE INVESTMENTS THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE COUNCIL ITSELF HAD SAID THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT DONE?

>> ALL THREE OF THEM.

>> THANK YOU. THEN LET'S SEE.

LET'S GO TO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, TONYA MCCLARY, DIRECTOR FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. MS. MCCLARY, COULD YOU EXPLAIN, PLEASE? WHEN WAS YOUR OFFICE ESTABLISHED AND WHY?

>> THE OFFICE WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2019 TO REPLACE WHAT HAD BEEN A REVIEW BOARD THAT DIDN'T HAVE WHAT THE COMMUNITY FELT LIKE, A LOT OF TEETH AND A LOT OF AUTHORITY.

IT HAPPENED ON THE HEELS OF, I BELIEVE ALL OF YOU KNOW, THE CASE OF [INAUDIBLE], WHICH REALLY HAD AN OUTCRY FROM THE CITY ABOUT DO WE NEED TO BE TAKING A CLOSER LOOK AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE VISION OF THIS OFFICE IS TO REALLY BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE POLICE.

THIS IS A DEPARTMENT AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY YOU WORK YOURSELF OUT OF A JOB, BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT EVERYBODY IS REALLY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING.

OUR VISION IS REALLY TO DO THAT, TO ALSO ENSURE THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ALSO KNOW THEIR RIGHTS AND OTHER THINGS, AND ALSO TO HELP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BE THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY. I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> MR. RIDLEY, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES, ITEM 34, EVERYONE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT.

IT APPROACHES THE ISSUE OF THE ALLOCATIONS FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS WITH A SLASH AND BURN MENTALITY.

IT'S NOT CONSIDERING THE NEED FOR PROGRAMS. IT WOULD REDUCE THEM TO A FUNDING LEVEL BELOW WHAT IT IS IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT, PARTICULARLY WITH REGARD TO THE CUT TO THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, THIS WOULD RESULT IN A 38 PERCENT CUT FROM THEIR CURRENT BUDGET, WHICH IS ONLY $812,000.

NEXT YEAR IT'S PROPOSED TO GO UP $50,000 TO $863,000.

IF YOU CUT 325,000 OUT OF THAT BUDGET, YOU'RE WIPING OUT THAT DEPARTMENT.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.

>> MR. WEST, YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 34.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I MENTIONED IN MY LAST COMMENTS THAT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS IN HERE.

I GUESS I JUST HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION.

I MEAN, MY WHOLE PROBLEM WITH THIS BUDGET IS IF THE DEPARTMENT'S DOING A GOOD JOB, THEY NEED MORE MONEY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GROW AND DO MORE GOOD THINGS.

IF A DEPARTMENT IS DOING A CRAPPY JOB, THEY NEED MORE MONEY, SO THEY CAN GET MORE PEOPLE SO THEY CAN DO A BETTER JOB.

I MEAN, WHERE DOES IT END? WE KNOW IN 2025, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE MASSIVE CUTS.

BUT VIRTUALLY EVERY DEPARTMENT IS GROWING THIS YEAR.

WE'RE ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO OUR PENSION.

WE'RE ADDING MORE EMPLOYEES.

JUST SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROBABLY HAVE LAYOFFS IN 2025. WHERE DOES IT END? EVERYBODY IS HANDED MORE MONEY, NON-STOP.

THAT'S MY CONCERN HERE BECAUSE CUSTOMERS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO TELL YOU THE CITY MANAGER, YES, WE WANT EVERYTHING YOU'RE HANDING US BECAUSE IT'S GREAT.

BUT THEN AT SOME POINT THERE COMES THE BILL IS DUE AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH.

>> I'VE TOLD THIS TO HIM AND HE ONLY HAS 30 MINUTES TO RESPOND TO THIS.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY ONE THING JUST REAL QUICK.

I THINK YOU MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO MASSIVE LAYOFFS AND MAJOR CUTS IN 2025.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. THAT'S FINE.

THERE'S NOWHERE IN THIS BUDGET WHICH ACTUALLY IS A TWO-YEAR BUDGET, ONE THAT'S BEING ADOPTED HOPEFULLY BEFORE THE END OF THIS MONTH AND THEN IN 24, 25 BUDGET, THERE ARE NO MASSIVE CUTS.

THERE ARE NO DEGRADATION OF EXISTING SERVICES BEING PROPOSED IN THE 2024, 2025 BUDGET, SO THE STATEMENT IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY,

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SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT FROM THE RECORD.

LET ME THEN ALSO ADD JUST FOR A MATTER OF PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A COMMON STATEMENT AROUND THE BUDGET GROWTH OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I PUT A REAL CLEAR LENS ON WHERE THAT GROWTH HAS BEEN, SO THAT NUMBER FROM THE DAY I ARRIVE, THE BUDGET IN THE GENERAL FUND WAS $1.2 BILLION.

IT'S 1.8 TODAY, $600,000,000 OVERALL GROWTH.

IN THAT TIMELINE, 90 PERCENT OF THAT GROWTH PERIOD IN DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR ARE IN THESE DEPARTMENTS.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS GONE UP 28 PERCENT AND USED 183 MILLION OF THAT $615 MILLION.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS GONE UP 39 PERCENT IN GROWTH, $159 MILLION OF THAT NUMBER.

THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT PAYMENT WENT FROM $34 MILLION TO $90 MILLION, WHICH IS $56 MILLION.

WHICH MEANS GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN THE CITY AND INCREMENT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING IN THOSE AREAS.

THAT'S 62 PERCENT OF GROWTH.

THE PUBLIC WORKS AND TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS GONE UP 30 PERCENT, AN INCREASE OF $44 MILLION.

PARKS AND RECREATION HAS GONE UP 21 PERCENT, $25 MILLION.

COURTS AND DETENTION, 50 PERCENT GROWTH, $19 MILLION INCREASE FROM $19 MILLION TO $39 MILLION.

CODE COMPLIANCE, A PRIORITY OF THE CITY HAS GONE FROM $12 MILLION TO $45 MILLION.

REALLY IS A POINT OF EMPHASIS.

ONE, THEY'VE EVEN HAVE THE REDUCTION OF THE ANIMAL CARE DIVISION REMOVED FROM THEM HAD HAS GONE UP THAT MUCH BECAUSE COUNCILS MADE A PRIORITY TO CLEAN UP THE CITY AND GET BETTER ON COGEN PLANTS, THAT'S A 72 PERCENT INCREASE IN THEIR BUDGET.

LIBRARIES HAS GONE UP FROM 29 MILLION TO 43 MILLION, $13.5 MILLION, OR 31 PERCENT.

THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS AREA WHICH IS NEW.

WE SPENT EIGHT MILLION ON HOUSING WHEN I ARRIVED, WE ARE SPENDING 16.8 OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, AN INCREASE OF 51 PERCENT.

YES, IT'S GROWN, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD TO DO THAT'S EIGHT MILLION DOLLARS.

THEN FINALLY, THE INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THINGS, THAT OFFICE HAS GROWN TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE CITY, AND ALL THE EFFORTS AND WORK THAT WE'RE DOING HERE, THAT IS 90 PERCENT OF THAT INCREASE.

EVERYTHING ELSE MIGHT'VE GONE UP BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OVERALL INCREASE, THIS NARRATIVE ABOUT WE'RE OUT OF CONTROL AND WE'RE GROWING.

THOSE AREAS OF GROWTH, THE DOLLAR WE'VE BEEN INVESTING ARE THE NUMBER 1, 2, 3, AND 4 PRIORITIES OF THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS COUNCIL, SO THE MONEY HAS BEEN INVESTED WHERE THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED FOR IT TO BE INVESTED, 90 PERCENT.

I JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THE FACTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE SPENDING TO EXPECT THIS BUDGET TO BE BALANCED GOING FORWARD ON THE BACKS OF AND THAT'S A LARGE WORD OF THE OPERATING DEPARTMENTS THAT SUPPORT OTHER DEPARTMENTS.

I DON'T BELIEVE IF IN FACT, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BUT THE BUDGET IS SUSTAINABLE, IT WILL BE SUSTAINABLE.

EVERY NUMBER THAT WE'VE USED AS A METRIC TO DETERMINE THE HEALTH OF THE CITY'S FINANCES HAS IMPROVED SINCE THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING THE WAY WE'VE BEEN BUDGETING.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT NOTION AND THAT NARRATIVE OUT THERE ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

WE'RE HEADED FOR CONTINUED GROWTH, CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT.

WE UNDERSTAND HOW TO MANAGE THE FINANCES TO A POINT WHERE WE DON'T PUT THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY IN AN UPSIDE-DOWN SITUATION.

NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET IS BALANCED.

THE THIRD YEAR, WHEN IT BECOMES THE SECOND YEAR, WILL BE BALANCED.

WE WILL NOT RUN OFF A CLIFF.

WE'RE NOT ADDING POSITIONS FOR THE SAKE OF ADDING POSITIONS AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND A WAY TO AGAIN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN AT LEAST MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICES WE HAVE AND IMPROVE SERVICES AS YOU MENTIONED, WHERE COUNSEL ASKED US TO DO IT, SO I JUST WANTED TO AT LEAST PUT OUT SOME FACTUAL INFORMATION ON NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, AS WELL AS WHERE THERE'S $600 MILLION HAS COME FROM THAT WE TALK ABOUT BECAUSE IT'S IN ALL THE AREAS I THINK THAT FOLK WANT US TO INVEST IN, NOT THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD SAY WE SHOULDN'T BE INVESTING IN BUT THESE ARE COUNSEL DIRECTIVES AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY'S IDEA OF WHAT THEY BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO MORE, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND IT JUST I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. THANK YOU.

>> THAT WAS REALLY SUCCINCT FOR YOU.

WAS GREAT.

>> WAS UNDER 30 MINUTES.

>> IT WAS.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER.

I APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE AND I GUESS WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO WATCH IT THROUGH THE GPFM COMMITTEE.

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WHEN I HEARD FROM THE CFO DURING THE INITIAL BUDGET MEETINGS THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE EXPERIENCING BUDGET CUTS IN 2025, THAT JUST MAKES ME REALLY CONCERN THAT WITH GIVEN ALL OF THE INCREASES IN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS PLUS THE $14 BILLION AND NEEDS PLUS THE PENSION, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE TIGHTENING OUR BELTS AND I DON'T SEE WHERE THAT'S HAPPENING HERE, BUT I GUESS WE'LL CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRWOMAN, MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON YOUR OWN AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU. SO LET'S START OFF JUST SAYING JUST BECAUSE YOU FUND SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN YOU ACTUALLY GET MORE SERVICES FOR IT.

TO COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ'S PLEA TO INVEST IN DEPARTMENTS.

I WOULD SAY WE ARE OVER-INVESTING IN SOME DEPARTMENTS AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS AN ACCUMULATION OF STAFF AND FUNDING.

TO THE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENT THAT THERE'S RANDOM CUTS, ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOT.

THIS IS JUST MATH.

THIS IS A FRAMEWORK.

THIS IS ACTUALLY TAKING THE EMOTION OUT OF THE DECISION-MAKING AND SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO SET PARAMETERS, AND THE FUNNY THING IS AFTER THE MEMO, ALMOST NOBODY EVEN ASKED ME, WELL, WHAT DEPARTMENTS WOULD BE IMPACTED AND IT WAS ACTUALLY COUNCIL MEMBER WES, WHO ONLY ASKED ME LAST WEEK FOR THE FIRST TIME AND I SAID YOU'RE THE VERY FIRST ONE WHO'S EVEN ASKED BECAUSE THE POINT OF THE MEMO WASN'T TO SAY, I LIKE THIS DEPARTMENT, I DON'T LIKE THIS ONE, THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB, THEY'RE NOT.

IT WAS TO LOOK AT GROWTH IN A STRUCTURED, MEASURED, AND UNEMOTIONAL WAY.

NEXT ITEM, SPECIFIC FOR DATA ANALYTICS AND BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE, OF COURSE, THIS WAS ONCE THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION.

IT WASN'T JUST INITIALLY FORMED.

IN THE DIRECTOR'S OWN WORDS IN A RECENT ARTICLE, THIS IS THE BIGGEST DEPARTMENT IN THE NATION THAT DOES THIS WORK AND THE EXAMPLE OF THE CAD WORK.

CAD WORK HAS BEEN HAPPENING IN OUR CITY FOR A LONG TIME WAY BEFORE THIS DEPARTMENT OR EVEN THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION WERE CREATED.

SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, IN FACT, SEVERAL OFFICES HAVE BEEN CREATED UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES, RECENTLY BEEN MOVED AROUND AND ACTUALLY, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST FOR ONE OF THE ANSWERS ON THE BUDGET IF I MAY, JACK.

IF YOU CAN PROVIDE TO US A LIST OF ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND WHEN THOSE DEPARTMENTS WERE CREATED, BOTH IF THEY REPLACE SOMETHING ELSE OR IF THEY ARE NEW ITERATION THAT'S HAPPENED, A NEW IDEA.

THE HEARTBURN TODAY IS ACTUALLY WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T ACT BECAUSE A YEAR FROM NOW, I WILL SAY I TOLD YOU SO.

I WILL NOT HOLD BACK ON THAT.

I WILL SAY IT BECAUSE WE MUST SLOW DOWN ON OUR EXPENSES.

NEXT YEAR WE'LL HAVE A CHOICE AND THE CHOICE OF THE UNBALANCED BUDGET HAS ALWAYS BEEN SOLVED IN THE SAME WAY IN THE CITY EXCEPT FOR WHEN WE HAD THE RECESSION AND THE WAY IT WAS RESOLVED WAS A TAX INCREASE.

WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO INCREASE THE PEOPLE'S TAXES IN DALLAS.

WE'RE ALREADY OVERTAXED, WE ALREADY HAVE THE HIGHEST TAX RATE OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES AND AS THE TITANIC EXAMPLE SHOWED US, PEOPLE WILL GO TO OTHER CHOICES.

THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER CHOICES BESIDES DALLAS AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE HERE.

IT'S A WONDERFUL CITY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN CONTRIBUTION FOR OUR PENSION BOTH FOR POLICE, FIRE AND FOR ERF.

THIS ISN'T EVEN ACCOUNTED FOR.

>> THAT'S YOUR TIME FOR THIS ROUND.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE MINUTE. CAN I JUST GO TOGETHER? IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO IT?

>> [INAUDIBLE].

>> THEN WILL HAVE TO WAIT.

>> THEY'RE NOT EVEN IN THE QUEUE.

>> WE'LL WAIT AND SEE. IT WON'T TAKE LONG BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? THOSE ARE THE RULES, SO WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ELSE.

SEEING NONE. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR A MINUTE.

>> THANK YOU. MANY TIMES AND IN FACT THE CITY MANAGER WAS SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE GENERAL FUND AS OPPOSED TO THE ALL FUND BUDGET AND THE TRUTH IS THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS DON'T JUST PAY FOR OUR GENERAL FUND.

THEY PAY FOR THE ENTIRE FUND, THEY PAY FOR OUR DEBT, THEY PAY FOR OUR CAPITAL AND WE ARE SEEING A GROWTH OF CIVILIAN AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY MY PAPERS WITH ME BUT THE GROWTH OF THE CIVILIAN STAFF AND BUDGET HAS EXCEEDED THE GROWTH OF OUR UNIFORM STAFF AND BUDGET, SO THE NARRATIVE WE ALWAYS GET IS BLAME OUR BUDGET WOES ON PUBLIC SAFETY IS COMPLETELY INACCURATE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DOCUMENTATION, JACK,

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IF YOU COULD, ON THAT. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISH TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST AMENDMENT NUMBER 34 AS IT WAS READ, NOT AS IT'S WRITTEN.

SEEING NONE. LET'S SEE THE CARDS.

>> WITH ONLY THREE CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR, THIS AMENDMENT FAILS AND SMEAR.

>> NEXT AMENDMENT. WHO'S GOTTEN AMENDMENT THEY FEEL COMPELLED HIM TO BRING UP? I'M GOING TO GO TO YOU, MR. RIDLEY, WE ARE IN ROUND 2 OF AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> DO IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION PLEASE WE CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A SECOND FORCE.

>> OF COURSE. I MOVE WITH REGARD TO AMENDMENT NUMBER 17, ADOPTION OF THE REDUCTION IN BUDGET FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER, WITH THE USE OF FUNDS BEING DECREASING THE TAX RATE.

>> SECOND.

>> IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND DISCUSSION. CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, GO AHEAD.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

WE'VE JUST HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LEVEL OF FUNDING FOR VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.

ALTHOUGH I DID NOT SUPPORT THE PREVIOUS MOTION BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF THE CUTS, I DO THINK THAT CUTS ARE APPROPRIATE TO REDUCE THE EXPANSION IN CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS.

AS WE SAW WITH THE PREVIOUS ONE, MY AMENDMENT NUMBER 18, THIS SAME APPROACH APPLIES TO ITEM 17, WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE BUDGET TO THE FORECAST 2023 LEVEL OF THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER WHILE ALLOWING FOR REQUIRED CONTRACTUAL SALARY, BENEFIT AND PENSION INCREASES AS CALCULATED BY THE BUDGET OFFICE.

THIS WOULD RESULT IN AN ALLOCATION TOWARD THE TAX RATE OF $473,996. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE WE SHOULD BE GONE FOR OR AGAINST? AMENDMENT NUMBER 17. JOEL MICHELLE'S RIGHT ANSWER.

FIVE MINUTES AMENDMENT 17.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST TO CLARIFY ON THIS, I'M LOOKING AT THE TOTAL BUDGET OF THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER SO TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE.

>> THE TOTAL BUDGET PROPOSED FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER?

>> PAGE 270.

>> $4.1 MILLION.

>> IS THE TOTAL BUDGET?

>> IS THE TOTAL FOR SMALL BUSINESSES CENTER.

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER? MS. WILLIAMS AND MR. TOLBERT, DID THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER CAME OUT OF INITIATIVE OF THE ECODEB DEPARTMENT; IS THAT CORRECT? AND WHEN WAS IT ESTABLISHED?

>> CAN PROVIDE YOUR TOOLBAR, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION COMES FROM A SHELTER, IT WAS ACTUALLY A COMBINATION OF PULLING OUT THE BUSINESS DIVERSITY PIECE THAT'S SET IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT USED TO BE IN PROCUREMENT.

THEN WE ALSO PULLED OUT OF THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WERE RELATED TO WORKFORCE AND WE CREATED THEN THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE FULL CYCLE OF OUR SMALL BUSINESSES.

THEY DO EVERYTHING FROM THE RE-ENTRY PROGRAM TO HAVE FRESH START PROGRAM TO WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND ALL OF THE MINORITY WOMEN BUSINESS ENTERPRISE ACTIVITIES FOR THE CITY.

>> THANK YOU. THE WORKFORCE THAT'S PART OF WORKING I KNOW THROUGH THE WEEK COMMITTEE WERE WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH THE WORKFORCE INITIATIVE OF THE MAYOR; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. YES, MA'AM.

>> THEN THIS IS DESIGNED IN ORDER TO PRODUCE INCOME FOR THE CITY IS THROUGH GIVING JOBS AND HELPING BUSINESSES GROW TO PRODUCE SALES TAX AND OTHER THINGS; IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT, YES.

>> WOULD THERE BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY IN REDUCING THE TAXES BY 0.0243? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THE CITY WOULD BE IN TERMS OF WHAT IT WILL ACCOMPLISH IN TERMS OF CREATING MORE JOBS, CREATING MORE INCOME.

AGAIN, WOULD WE BE CUTTING OFF OUR NOSE TO SPITE OUR FACE ON THIS? I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION FOR JACK.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO BRING IN.

I KNOW WE HAVEN'T QUANTIFIED EVERYTHING, BUT WILL THE ULTIMATE SAVINGS OF THIS AMOUNT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TOTAL IS.

0.04, I GUESS $473,000.

WE GIVE BACK TO THE RESIDENTS.

THEN HOW MUCH IN TERMS OF THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING WELL, WILL WE LOSE IN THE PRODUCTIVITY AND THE JOBS AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE THROUGH THIS? WILL WE LOSE MORE THAN WE GAINED BY THIS?

>> WELL, LET ME SAY IT THIS WAY.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE FOCUSED ON IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, WE HAD GRANT FUNDING TO SUPPORT A RE-ENTRY PROGRAM, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL MADE A POLICY DECISION IN 2022 TO BEGAN A PRE-ENTRY PROGRAM.

SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING HELPS US NOW FUND THAT FOUR YEAR.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ADDED SOMETHING CALLED THE

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ACCELERATED PROGRAM AND THAT'S REALLY DEVELOPING MINORITY BUSINESSES TO PUSH THEM TO THE NEXT STEP IN THEIR BUSINESS CYCLE TO WHERE THEY CAN GROW BIOCAPACITY AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE JOBS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

BOTH OF THOSE PROGRAMS ARE INCLUDED IN OUR ENHANCEMENT FOR 24, WHICH WOULD MAKE UP THAT 473,000.

>> WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO AUTHENTICALLY MAKE THE CASE THAT ALL OF OUR PRE AND RE-ENTRY WORK HAS AN IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY?

>> ABSOLUTELY, AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE AND SHOW YOU THE DATA AND HOW WE'RE ABLE TO NOW WORK WITH ALL OF THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE OUT THERE AROUND CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND THOSE THAT COME BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE THAT DATA BROKEN DOWN BY ZIP CODE THAT REALLY SHOWS HOW WE'RE NOW WORKING WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO NOT ONLY GET THEM BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY, BUT TO GET THEM PREPARED FOR JOBS EVEN WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS.

>> GREAT. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY NEEDS TO ADD TO THIS?

>> JOYCE WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR OF THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

YES. THE PRE-RELEASE PROGRAM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE VERY PROUD OF BASED ON THE PRE-RELEASE PROGRAM IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM JOB READINESS SKILLS PRIOR TO THEM RELEASING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY CAN THEN EITHER GO INTO EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS OR GO DIRECTLY TO WORK.

AS YOU'VE SAID, THAT IS NOT ONLY A BENEFIT TO REDUCING RECIDIVISM, BUT IT IS ALSO A BENEFIT TO WORKFORCE AND BEING ABLE TO BE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

>> THANK YOU. DID YOU SEND SOMETHING TO ME? BECAUSE I WAS ASKING THIS QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF ACTUAL JOBS THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH YOUR DEPARTMENT.

>> YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION AS WELL.

IN THE LAST 10 YEARS OR SO, ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'VE HAD WAS TO THE SOUTH DALLAS OPPORTUNITY FUND THAT FUNDS SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE SOUTHERN SECTOR OF DALLAS.

IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER HAS FUNDED FOUR INITIATIVES FOR BUSINESSES TO BE ABLE TO NOT ONLY DEVELOP THEIR BUSINESSES, GROW THEIR BUSINESSES, AND START THEIR BUSINESSES, AND BEING ABLE TO CREATE OVER 75 JOBS.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR.

>> MS. BLACKMON, NEW RECORDS FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. JOYCE AND BACK UP.

TELL ME WITH THIS $474,000 REDUCTION, WHAT WOULD WE NOT BE DOING THIS YEAR?

>> WE WOULD NOT DO THE FULL YEAR OF THE ACCELERATED PROGRAM.

AGAIN, THAT PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO REALLY WORK WITH OUR SMALL BUSINESSES AND HELPING THEM DEVELOP TO ACTUALLY GROW THE CAPACITY OF THE FIRMS TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE WORK AND BE ABLE TO GET CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS WE STARTED LAST YEAR, AND THIS WILL BE TAKEN US TO THE FOUR-YEAR FUNDING.

WE WOULD ALSO NOT BE ABLE TO FUND THE PRE-ENTRY PROGRAM. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

WE HAVE STATE GRANT FUNDING FOR THE RE-ENTRY PROGRAM, BUT THIS IS ABOUT US GOING INTO THE SYSTEM, WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS BEFORE THEY'RE ACTUALLY RELEASED.

WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO FUND THAT PROGRAM.

>> IT'S BEING DONE NOW?

>> YES. WE STARTED THE PRE-ENTRY IN THE LATTER PART OF 2022.

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>> ARE WE HITTING THOSE METRICS?

>> YES. WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN UPDATE THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING TO THE WORKFORCE EDUCATION EQUITY COMMITTEE COMING UP.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS TO REALLY GET THE DASHBOARD THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT, BRINGING BACK TO WHERE YOU COULD REALLY SEE HOW MANY INDIVIDUALS WE'RE SERVING.

ARE THEY GOING INTO JOBS? WHAT TYPE OF JOBS THEY ARE GETTING, HOW MUCH THEY'RE ACTUALLY MAKING IN THOSE JOBS AND SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT DATABASE PRETTY MUCH FOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS, BUT WE'LL BE READY TO PRESENT THAT DATA TO THE COMMITTEE.

>> JOYCE, TELL ME WHY YOU NEED 474.

SELL ME ON THIS.

THIS IS LIKE SHARK TANK. TELL ME WHY WE NEED TO INVEST THIS.

>> I'M SORRY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU'RE USING THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER.

I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS TO TELL YOU WHY WE NEED 476,000.

>> YOU GOT 30 SECONDS.

>> SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND?

>> OKAY, 473.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT BASICALLY THE FORECAST INFORMATION THAT'S THEIR IMPACTS, WHAT OUR PROGRAM IS NOW.

THEN THE $250,000 THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT FOR THE FUTURE PROGRAM ADDS UP TO THE $473,000.

BASICALLY, THE REASON THAT WE NEED THIS IS TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE EFFORTS THAT WE'VE HAD TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE ONE, CONTINUE TO REDUCE THE CRIME RATE THAT WE SEE THAT COULD BE HAPPENING IF WE DID NOT HAVE THE PRE-RELEASE PROGRAM.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 198 INDIVIDUALS ENROLLED THROUGH OUR PRE-RELEASED PROGRAMS. THOSE RELEASE PROGRAMS WE'VE ALREADY BUILT PARTNERSHIPS AS PART OF THOSE, NOT ONLY WITH LOCAL EMPLOYERS BUT ALSO WITH DALLAS COLLEGE TO THEIR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM, WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE EXIST.

THE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR OUR MENTOR ACCELERATED PROGRAM.

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WE'VE HAD SOME PROGRAMS IN WHICH WE ARE WORKING WITH THE NOT ONLY THE MINORITY CHAMBERS BUT ALSO CURRENT AND CURRENT CONTRACTORS THAT WE'VE HAD THAT HAVE BEEN TIER ONE CONTRACTOR SUBS THAT NOW ARE MOVING INTO PRIMES AND THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS TO ENCOURAGE OUR MWBES TO BE ABLE TO BUILD CAPACITY AS THEY MOVE FORWARD AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE CONTRACTS AND ALSO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HISTORICAL UTILIZATION THAT THEY HAVE NOT BEEN GETTING THROUGH THE CITY BECAUSE THEY LACK THAT CAPACITY.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE DOING BECAUSE BASED ON NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITIES CHARGED TO US, BUT THESE COUNCILS CHARGED TO US.

WE WOULDN'T EVER BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT THE $473,000.

>> DO YOU HAVE A SUCCESS RATE ON THAT PRE-RELEASE? DO YOU HAVE A SUCCESS RATE LIKE 50 PERCENT OR 100 PERCENT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN, IT'S BEEN A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT YOUR SUCCESSES ARE.

>> YEAH. WE HAVE 193 PEOPLE WHO HAD BEEN ENROLLED IN THAT PROGRAM AND A PRE-RELEASE PROGRAM.

CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 60 PERCENT WHAT WE WOULD SAY SUCCESS RATES, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY'VE COME OUT, THEY HAVE NOT GONE OR RECOMMITTED A CRIME WHEN THE LAST 90 DAYS THEY'VE GONE INTO PROGRAMS, THEY ARE BEING MANAGED AND CASE MANAGER.

THEY ALSO COME INTO THE CITY AND APPLYING FOR OUR FRESH START PROGRAM.

THAT'S WHAT WE SEE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MR. WEST, YOU'RE AGAINST FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK TO SMALL BUSINESS CENTER DOES AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION IN GENERAL.

I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER PROGRAMS IN THE CITY, INCLUDING THE OAK CHAMBER OF COMMERCE WHO PROVIDES JOBS PLACEMENT PROGRAMS, AND THEY ALSO WORK WITH EX-OFFENDERS.

WHY IS THE CITY IN THE BUSINESS IN GENERAL ARE DOING THIS? IT'S NOT A TRICK QUESTION.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF BEING THE SOCIAL SERVICES AND WORKFORCE ENTITY FOR THE REGION AND IT JUST GROWS THE CITY BIGGER AND BIGGER.

I'M NOT PICKING ON THIS DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS JUST A GENERAL PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION WHY? WHY THIS PROGRAM, WHY IS IT NECESSARY THAT WE DO THIS INSTEAD OF RFP MISS OUT TO A NON-PROFIT TO CONDUCT THIS PROGRAM?

>> LET ME ANSWER IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

I THINK THE FIRST THING IS THAT THE COUNCIL IN 2020 ASKED US TO BEGIN TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS TO DEVELOP A PRE-ENTRY PROGRAM.

THAT WAS A DIRECT REQUEST TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO DO IT.

WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT WE'VE DONE EXACTLY THAT WE DID AN RFP.

WE WENT OUT TO THE STREET AND WE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED, I THINK WE HAVE A TOTAL OF THREE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, NON-PROFITS THAT ARE ACTUALLY DELIVERING THE PRE-ENTRY PROGRAM.

THE RE-ENTRY PROGRAM WAS STARTED IN 2018 WHEN WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER, BUT WE PULLED IT INTO THIS AREA.

WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING GRANT FUNDING THROUGH THE STATE TO ACTUALLY MANAGE THAT PROGRAM.

WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL ASKED US TO DO WAS TO CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO EXPAND THAT PROGRAM SO WE COULD GET MORE INDIVIDUALS IN AND BE ABLE TO THEN ACTUALLY HELP THEM IDENTIFY JOBS.

WE ARE WORKING WITH PARTNERS.

IT'S NOT BEING DONE SOLELY BY THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING THOSE DOLLARS ON THE STREET, MAKING THOSE INVESTMENTS, AND THEN WORKING WITH OUR PARTNERS TO ACTUALLY DELIVER THE SERVICES.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH, I WOULD SAY, OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS NOW, TO REALLY PERFECT THE MODEL AND WE BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE PARTNERSHIPS IN PLACE, WHETHER IT'S THE OAK CLIFF CHAMBER, WHETHER IT'S DALLAS COLLEGE, NOW THERE'S DONE A LOT OF THE TRAINING FOR US.

THE REGIONAL BLACK CONTRACTORS, AS WELL WORKING TOGETHER IN A COLLABORATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPROACHING THIS COMPREHENSIVELY.

THE PARTNERSHIPS THAT THEY ARE THE CITIES JUST BRINGING, I WOULD SAY WE'RE PUTTING OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH IS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING.

>> COUNCIL MEMBER WEST I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD AS A COUNSELOR, I'M SURE IT REMINDED US ALL IS THAT IT WAS ALSO AN INITIATIVE FROM THIS COUNCIL AND ALSO THE LUMIERE TASK FORCE ON UP-SKILLING WORKFORCE.

BEING ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THAT AND PARTNER WITH WORKFORCE DALLAS IS ONE OF THE INITIATIVES THAT THE CITY IS TAKING ON BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, UNDESERVED RESIDENTS NOW THAT ARE UNDER SKILLED, UNEMPLOYED BACK TO WORK.

>> I AGREE WITH THE MISSION, I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC.

I LOVE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IT'S JUST DO WE GROW OR DO WE USE OUR FUNDING TO PUSH OUT MORE SO TO OUR NON-PROFIT PARTNERS.

IT'S THAT'S WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH SOME OF THESE DEPARTMENTS BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER AND IT'S A GOOD ONE, AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU'LL ANSWER FOR FIVE MINUTES, AND FOR EVERYONE WHO'S LISTENING, AMENDMENT 17 THAT WE'RE DEBATING.

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>> THANK YOU MAYOR.

I JUST WILL SAY JOYCE HAS BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE TO A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES, NON-PROFITS IN DISTRICT 7, BUT ALSO THROUGHOUT SOUTHERN DALLAS.

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN SUPPORT WOULD ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO REPRESENT SOUTHERN DISTRICTS, TO LOOK AT HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT THE STRIDES WE'VE MADE TOWARDS ME AND EQUITABLE RESOURCES FOR SMALL BUSINESSES AND MINORITY AND WOMEN BUSINESS PARTICIPATION.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU.

>> MR. GRACEY, RECOGNITION FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDMENT 17.

>> THANK YOU. I ALWAYS DEBATE ON WHETHER OR NOT I'M GOING TO USE WORDS JUST BECAUSE WE HEAR A LONG TIME.

BUT THIS IS ONE THAT I DID WANT TO SPEAK ON OBVIOUSLY FOR ITS NEAR AND DEAR.

I USED TO RUN THE DEPARTMENT, BUT BEYOND THAT, I GO TO BETO PRISON ONCE A MONTH AND I SPENT SOME TIME WITH THOSE FELLOWS.

THE EXCITEMENT AND THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT YOU BUILD IN THE EXCITEMENT THAT THEY DISPLAY AS THEY'RE APPROACHING THEIR DAY.

THIS PRE-ENTRY IS THE ONE OF THOSE TOOLS THAT CONTINUES TO PUSH THEM AND MOTIVATE THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T RETURN AND THAT THEY STAY.

IF YOU DO THE PRE-ENTRY BEFORE THEY GET OUT, THE OPTIMISM, THE HOPE, THE ENCOURAGEMENT, HOW THEY COME BACK TO THEIR FAMILIES, ALL OF THAT STUFF MATTERS.

I'M SAYING ALL THAT TO SAY THAT I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WILL BE SUPPORTING IN COUNCIL MEMBER WEST, YOU ASK THE WHY AND I GET IT. I AGREE.

THERE'S OTHER AGENCIES THAT SHOULD BE DOING THIS WORK, BUT IF WE DON'T DO IT, NOBODY IS GOING TO DO IT AND IT HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE IT IMPACTS THE QUALITY OF LIFE, NOT JUST FOR ANY ONE PARTICULAR DISTRICT, BUT CITYWIDE.

WHEN THESE PEOPLE COME BACK WHEN PEOPLE GET CONTRACTS, THE DIFFERENCE THAT IT MAKES ON THEIR BUSINESS AND THEIR FAMILIES, AND ALSO I'VE SEEN THIS FIRSTHAND.

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I'M WILLING TO SACRIFICE FOR THE SAKE OF SAVING THE TAX RATE OR WHATEVER.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.

>> MS. WILLIS, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE-MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

JOYCE, THIS IS FOR YOU.

[NOISE]

>> I'M AWARE OF THE WORK ON PRE-ENTRY AND RE-ENTRY, WHICH IT IS PUBLIC SAFETY, IT'S VERY MUCH PUBLIC SAFETY AND WE KNOW THIS FROM STUDYING THIS ISSUE.

I KNOW THAT IN JUNE, THE FOCUS DETERRENCE PROGRAM FINALLY GOT OFF THE GROUND AND WHAT ROLE DID THE SBC PLAY IN THAT PROGRAM?

>> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ASKED BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN A PART OF THIS HAS BEEN THE WHOLE DAY LABOR INITIATIVE THAT WE'D STARTED BECAUSE FOCUS DETERRENCE, AS PART OF BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH US WITH THE MOBILE UNIT, WAS PART OF THAT CONCERN AND HOW WE WOULD HAVE BE ABLE TO APPROACH THAT AS PART OF THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER.

THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS OF COURSE THE RE-ENTRY PROGRAM AND WORKING WITH THE TEAM, THE FOCUS DETERRENCE PROGRAM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WAS WORK WITH ONE OF OUR PARTNERS, OUR BCA, WHO HAS APARTMENT AND HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE JUST BEING TRAINED.

THAT AREA IN WHICH THAT HOUSING IS PLACED IS ONE OF THE TARGETED AREAS OF THE FOCUS DETERRENCE TEAM.

BEING ABLE TO DO AND COLLABORATE FROM THE SBC WITH OUR NON-PROFIT PARTNER FOR OUR BCA AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT HIGH CRIME AREA AND BEING ABLE TO PULL ALL THAT ALTOGETHER WITH DPD.

THAT'S OUR PARTNERSHIP.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT SBC DESK, BECAUSE I'VE HAD A CONCERN AND I'M VERY EXCITED TO BE ON THE WORKFORCE COMMITTEE SO THAT I CAN DIG INTO THIS FURTHER BECAUSE I HAVE SENSED DUPLICATION.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE DUPLICATING RIGHT NOW, UNLESS WE CAN REALLY IDENTIFY THAT THERE IS SOME GAP THAT'S NOT BEING SERVED IN THAT POPULATION THEN I WOULD RE-HOME IT.

I WOULD WORK TOWARD FINDING THAT IN A NEW HOME.

THEN IT'S ALSO POSSIBLE TO BE THE STARTING POINT OF SOME GREAT PROGRAM AND THEN STAND IT UP AND LET IT FLY WITH SOMEONE ELSE WHERE THEY CAN TAKE IT OVER AND THEN THEY GET TO WHERE IT CAN BE SELF-SUSTAINING AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE CITY, MEANING IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE TAXPAYERS ANYMORE.

BUT WE CAN STILL SEE SUCCESS, IT CAN STILL MAKE AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY.

BUT I THINK THAT WHERE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD STRUGGLE TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT IS THE FACT THAT WE'VE DEDICATED ATTENTION TO THE FOCUS DETERRENCE PROGRAM, WHICH IS TAKING OUR VIOLENT CRIMINALS AND TURNING THEM AROUND, WHICH CAN HELP OUR OVERALL COMMUNITY BECOME MORE SAFE AND REDUCE VIOLENT CRIME,

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WHICH HAS BEEN A PRIORITY AND AN AMAZING INITIATIVE WHERE WE'VE SHOWN MOVEMENT THAT IS GOTTEN THE ATTENTION OF THE NATION.

THIS IS AN AREA WHERE IT'S UNIQUE TO HAVE A CITY DEPARTMENT WORKING IN LOCKSTEP WITH DPD ON MAKING THE COMMUNITY SAFER AND ALSO TURNING PEOPLE'S LIVES AROUND INTO MAKING THEM CONTRIBUTING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, GETTING THEM HOUSED AND ON TO BE HEALTHY, HAPPY, AND INDEPENDENT.

FOR THAT REASON, I WON'T SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT, BUT I WILL BE LOOKING AT THE DUPLICATION AND SEEING HOW IT'S GOING TO HAVE THIS DEPARTMENT IT IS FULFILLING SOME NEED THAT IS NOT BEING MET ANYWHERE ELSE. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THIS IS ALWAYS THE TOUGHEST MONTH THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET.

THERE IS A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT ARE NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT ARE NOT SO NEAR AND DEAR AND THEN THERE'S SOME THAT'S LIKE YOU JUST CUT IT, GET RID OF IT.

THAT'S PART OF GOVERNMENT.

WE HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH CALLS WE'RE THE POLICYMAKER.

THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER, THE HARD PART ON THIS ONE IS THAT SMALL BUSINESSES, MR. MAYOR ARE THE BACKBONE OF OUR ECONOMY, AND ESPECIALLY IN AREAS THAT ARE MAINLY PEOPLE OF COLOR.

IF THE BIG BUSINESSES DON'T WANT TO COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND DON'T WANT TO BUILD THEIR GROCERY STORES IN SOME OF THESE AREAS AND DON'T WANT TO BRING THEIR MULTI-BILLION-DOLLAR CORPORATIONS INTO SOME OF THESE AREAS.

IF IT WEREN'T FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD HAVE ZERO ACCESS TO ANYTHING.

I KNOW SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER HAS HELPED AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.

I AGREE IF THERE'S DUPLICATION, LET'S LOOK AT THAT.

THANK YOU, CHAIR WILLIS, FOR SAYING THAT AND HELPING US OUT WITH THAT TO SEE THAT BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT FOR THE FUTURE.

THE RE-ENTRY AND PRE-ENTRY PROGRAMS ARE PERSONAL TO ME BECAUSE I HAVE A BROTHER WHO IS A CONVICTED FELON.

I'VE TOLD THIS STORY MORE THAN ONCE.

HE LIVES IN HOUSTON, MR. MAYOR.

IF THEY HAD A PROGRAM LIKE THIS, THAT COULD HAVE HELPED HIM WITH PRE-ENTRY, WITH A RE-ENTRY, MAYBE HE WOULDN'T HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH TO PRISON SO MANY DIFFERENT TIMES.

SOMETHING FINALLY STUCK AND HE'S BEEN OUT FOR ABOUT SIX OR SEVEN MONTHS NOW AND I'VE SEEN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT LITTLE BROTHER THAN I'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

HE'S REPEATING THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALL TOLD HIM BUT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE SAID THAT THIS TIME IT MATTERED TO HIM AND HE'S MAKING THOSE CHANGES.

CHIEF GARCIA, EVEN PARTICIPATES IN THIS PROGRAM, MR. MAYOR.

I'VE CALLED HIM MORE THAN ONCE WHEN HE'S ON HIS WAY DOWN THERE TO GO HELP OUT, TO GO MENTOR SOME OF THESE CONVICTED FOLKS SO THAT THEY WILL GET THAT HOPE SO THEY'LL SEE WHY IT MATTERS.

COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY, I KNOW GOES BECAUSE ONE TIME I CALLED HIM AND HE SAID CAN I CALL YOU BACK BECAUSE I'M ON MY WAY TO THE PRISON TO GO TALK TO SOME FOLKS AND HE'S DOING THAT ON HIS PERSONAL TIME NOW AS A COUNCIL MEMBER.

HE'S NOT GETTING PAID TO DO IT ANYMORE.

HE'S DOING IT ON HIS PERSONAL TIME.

THIS REDUCES RECIDIVISM.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HELP PUBLIC SAFETY OUT, AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT A PERSON WHO'S BEEN PUT INTO JAIL DOESN'T COMMIT A CRIME AGAIN WE'VE GOT TO PUT THAT IN THERE.

FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, WE'RE GETTING WAY MORE BENEFIT OFF OF IT THAN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE CUT OR STOPPED, OR SLOWED DOWN THAT PROGRAM.

I GET THE SPIRIT.

I ADORE MY COLLEAGUE, MR. RIDLEY.

THIS IS ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DISAGREE ON.

THIS WAS JUST TOO IMPORTANT, NOT JUST BECAUSE OF MY PERSONAL STORY BUT BECAUSE I REPRESENT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN DISTRICT 6 WHO HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROCESS AS FAR AS WHAT'S HAPPENED TO THEM.

THIS WORKS JUST LIKE OUR COMMUNITY COURTS WORK.

IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO HELP FOLKS THAT NEED THAT EXTRA BIT OF HELP FOR WHATEVER REASON IT IS, THEY MADE A MISTAKE, BUT WE SHOULDN'T BE PUNISHING THEM FOREVER WHEN IT'S

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TIME FOR THEM TO GET OUT AFTER PAYING THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY.

I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS AMENDMENT.

I JUST APPLAUD YOU ALL FOR EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO FOR THE TIGHT BUDGET YOU DO ALREADY HAVE AND LOOK FORWARD TO HELPING GET THIS.

IF THERE IS ANY DUPLICATION, LET'S LOOK AT IT.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THAT AND MAKE THINGS WORK EVEN BETTER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES, AMENDMENT NUMBER 17, FOLKS.

>> THANK YOU. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION AND THANK COUNCILMAN RIDLEY FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD.

I THINK THERE'S SOME BASIC QUESTIONS THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD ACTUALLY BRING UP AT A RETREAT.

LIKE, SHOULD THE CITY OF DALLAS BE INVOLVED IN THE BUSINESS OF SOCIAL SERVICES? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LEGITIMATELY TALK ABOUT.

PRISON RE-ENTRY IS VERY IMPORTANT, I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DISAGREE WITH THAT.

HOWEVER, IT'S ALSO A STATE FUNCTION.

THE NON-PROFIT COMMUNITY HAS COME BESIDE THAT, THE FAITH COMMUNITY CERTAINLY AS WELL.

THE ROLE OF CITY GOVERNMENT IN THIS EFFORT I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE BELONG.

I DON'T PERSONALLY THINK THAT WE DO BELONG THERE.

ONCE PEOPLE COME BACK TO OUR CITY, MOST CERTAINLY WE SHOULD WELCOME THEM AND HELP THEM BECOME SUCCESSFUL.

BUT THERE'S A ROLE FOR THE CITY AND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY FULFILLING OUR OWN ROLE.

WE'RE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR ROADS, WE'RE NOT EVEN MAINTAINING OUR OWN ASSETS PROPERLY.

THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THE JOB THAT OUR TAXPAYERS THINK WE SHOULD AND I WOULD AGREE WITH THEM.

IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE THE SOLUTION TO EVERY PROBLEM ON A CITY BUDGET AND IT DOESN'T FIT.

THERE IS A LOGIC ISSUE HERE.

YOU HEARD MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK WITH PASSION ABOUT A PROJECT THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM PERSONALLY, PROJECTS THEY LOVE, PROGRAMS, THEY LOVE, DEPARTMENTS THEY LOVE.

WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE THAT OUT AND MAKE SOME VERY LOGICAL DECISIONS THAT ARE BASED ON FINANCES, THAT ARE BASED ON WHAT WE SEE AHEAD.

I FEAR THAT THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I PROPOSE THIS AS A FRAMEWORK.

THIS IS MY FIFTH BUDGET.

I'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH FOUR WHERE I WENT THROUGH LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM. YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU DON'T GET VERY FAR BECAUSE EVERY DOLLAR HAS A CONSTITUENCY AND EVERYONE'S GOING TO TELL THE EMOTIONAL STORY LIKE EVERY FUNDRAISING APPEAL YOU EVER GET ABOUT THE HORRIBLE THING THAT'LL BE CUT OR THE DEVASTATION THAT'LL HAPPEN.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10 PERCENT OF A $4 MILLION BUDGET HERE.

AGAIN, THIS IS I DON'T KNOW, AT LEAST THE THIRD ITERATION OF THIS DEPARTMENT.

I THINK COUNCILMAN GRACEY, YOU CAME TO ME MAYBE ON VERSION 2 OR 3, I WAS ALREADY IN OFFICE.

THIS DEPARTMENT JUST KEEPS REINVENTING ITSELF.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LOGIC OF A CITY TRYING TO TEACH PEOPLE TO BE ENTREPRENEURS.

BUREAUCRATS TRYING TO TEACH PEOPLE TO BE ENTREPRENEURS.

THIS IS PROBABLY NOT WHERE THIS BELONGS.

THE OTHER LOGIC IS, ON THE ONE HAND, YOU ALL WANT TO SAY IT'S A MINISCULE AMOUNT, HOW IT WILL AFFECT THE TAX RATE.

BUT THEN IT'S CATASTROPHIC IF WE CUT IT.

THESE TWO STATEMENTS DO NOT ALIGN.

I'VE THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT HOW I WOULD COUNTER THE CLAIMS ABOUT OH, IT'S SO LITTLE, JUST KEEP IT IN THE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HOW COULD THIS REALLY AFFECT ANYONE? BUT LET'S THINK ABOUT OUR GASOLINE.

WHEN YOU GO FILL UP YOUR CAR THE PRICE OF THAT GASOLINE MIGHT BE JUST A COUPLE OF CENTS MORE OR LESS, BUT YOU FEEL IT AND YOU NOTICE IT AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS.

THAT'S THE SAME THING. ALL OF THESE TAXES, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE DOING AN AMENDMENT BY AMENDMENT, THIS ALL ACCUMULATION.

>> POINT OF ORDER, MR. MAYOR.

>> STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER.

>> CAN WE PLEASE KEEP OUR DISCUSSION GERMANE TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING?

>> IT SEEMS RELATIVELY GERMANE TO ME.

SHE'S TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR A PROGRAM, WHETHER THAT'S BEING DUPLICATED ELSEWHERE OR NOT.

>> THAT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF HER COMMENTARY, BUT I UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET LATITUDE.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH LATITUDE, TO BE HONEST, BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL-TAKEN AND NOT SUSTAINED.

THIS TAB IS WELL-TAKEN.

>> THE USE OF FUNDS IS TAX DECREASE AND THAT IS WHY I'M MAKING THE COMMENTS THAT I'M ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF US TAKING A STANCE TO SAY WE NEED A BIGGER TAX DECREASE FOR OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE THE BUDGET THAT WAS SENT TO US, THE PROPOSED BUDGET, IS A TAX INCREASE EVEN IF THE RATE IS LOWER, AND SOMETHING WOULD HAVE TO BE CUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THEM INDIVIDUALLY, THIS IS WHERE WE ALWAYS END UP.

THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THIS AND I HOPE YOU WILL SUPPORT COUNCILMAN RIDLEY.

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>> BEFORE I GO BACK TO YOU, MR. RIDLEY FOR A SECOND ROUND AND GO TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA FOR THE FIRST TIME.

YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IS NOT EMOTIONAL.

IN FACT, I THINK THAT THIS IS EQUITABLE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EQUITY IS.

WE'VE HEARD QUITE A BIT OF, I WOULD SAY, NEGATIVE TONE TOWARDS ANY OF OUR COLLEAGUES WHO HAVE EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR PROGRAMS LIKE THIS, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE BEAUTY IN HAVING A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS WITH SUCH UNIQUE NEEDS AND CONSTITUENCIES.

I ALSO THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE LIVED A LIFE WHERE YOU DON'T NEED THESE SOCIAL SERVICES AND TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THESE AREN'T LIFELINES FOR YOU OR YOUR FAMILY.

BUT WHEN THOSE EMOTIONS COME IN IS BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE RESULTS AND WE'VE SEEN HOW THIS CAN IMPACT THOSE WHO DO DEPEND ON THE SOCIAL SERVICES.

I WASN'T ELECTED TO PASS THE BUCK AND FIND OTHER BODIES THAT THIS SHOULD BE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR, I WAS ELECTED TO PRIORITIZE THE QUAL AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN OUR POWER TO IMPROVE THAT QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ELECTED US IN.

I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR US TO STAY FOCUSED ON IF WE AS REPRESENTATIVES WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THINGS THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US, RATHER THAN BASHING ANY INTENT OR MOTIVE AT WHAT HAS BEEN PUT IN FRONT OF US.

SOME OF US ARE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THE NEED FOR A TAX RATE INCREASE.

SOME OF US ARE GOING TO PRIORITIZE SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER.

I BELIEVE THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THOSE SERVICES THAT WE'VE HEARD TESTIMONY OF HOW MUCH POSITIVE IT IS GOING TO DO.

I ALSO THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE STAY GENUINE WITH OUR MESSAGING.

WE AREN'T JUST BEING EMOTIONAL ON THIS FRONT.

IT IS ALSO VERY POLITICAL.

WITH OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, YOU CAN'T HAVE SACRED COWS.

YOU CAN'T TALK OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH AND WANT THE BIGGEST TAX CUT IN OUR CITY'S HISTORY, BUT NOT WILLING TO TOUCH A COUPLE OF DEPARTMENTS THAT YOUR EMOTIONS WOULD BE IMPACTED FROM.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE TASK AT HAND AND US TO NOT BASH OTHERS' ATTEMPTS AT ADEQUATELY REPRESENTING THE CONSTITUENTS WHO ELECTED THEM TO DO THE JOB. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR

>> WAS THERE ANYONE ELSE? ADAM, WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO OVERLOOK ANYTHING, IF I GO BACK TO MR. RIDLEY.

MR. RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON YOUR AMENDMENT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS AMENDMENT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER WE SHOULD RETAIN THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER OR ANY OF ITS PROGRAMS. ISSUES HAVE BEEN RAISED HERE TODAY AND WHAT I THINK HAS BEEN A HEALTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ROLE OF THIS SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDER IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE CAN DEBATE THAT UNTIL THE COWS COME HOME, BUT THIS AMENDMENT IS SIMPLY A CURTAILMENT OF THE INCREASE IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS DEPARTMENT.

IT IS NOT CURTAILING ANY OF THEIR EXISTING PROGRAMS, ANY OF THEIR EXISTING STAFF POSITIONS.

JACK, LET ME ASK YOU HOW YOU ARRIVED AT THE AMOUNT OF THIS AMENDMENT AT 473996 IN RESPONSE TO MY REQUEST TO REDUCE THE INCREASE IN THE BUDGET FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER AND KEEP IT AT THE EXISTING FORECAST USE OF FUNDS FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

>> FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS CENTER, THEIR FORECAST IS TO BE ABOUT $250,000 UNDER BUDGET.

THAT PLAYED INTO THE AMOUNT THAT WAS AVAILABLE SINCE YOUR STARTING POINT WAS NOT THE ADOPTED BUDGET, BUT THE FORECAST.

>> I ASKED YOU TO ALLOW FOR THE REQUIRED CONTRACTUAL SALARY BENEFIT AND PENSION INCREASES IN THAT DEPARTMENT, CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR. YOU DID.

>> SECONDLY, I THINK IT'S MISSING THE POINT TO OPPOSE A BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT SEEKS TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE ON THE GROUNDS THAT, WELL, IT WILL ONLY RESULT IN A MINUSCULE REDUCTION IN THE TAX RATE.

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BUT IF WE SAY THAT AND APPLY THAT LOGIC, THEN NONE OF THE AMENDMENTS FOR TAX RATES PASS THAT TEST.

THEY HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED CUMULATIVELY BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING THEM DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT.

I THINK IF YOU CONSIDER IT AS ONE PIECE OF AN OVERALL PLAN TO REDUCE THE TAX RATE, THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND.

AS COUNCILWOMAN MENDELSOHN HAS SO ELOQUENTLY STATED, WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE TAX RELIEF TO OUR CITIZENS WHO ARE FACED WITH A TAX INCREASE WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT TO SHOW THEM THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THEIR SENTIMENTS THAT THEY NEED RELIEF.

PARTICULARLY, OUR CONSTITUENTS ON FIXED INCOMES ARE SENIORS WHO ARE GETTING PRICED OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND ARE YELLING FOR TAX RELIEF.

THIS IS SIMPLY AN EFFORT TO SEE TO SOME OF THOSE WISHES. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON FOR OR AGAINST AMENDMENT 17 BY MR. RIDLEY? IT'S TIME TO SHOW THE CARDS, EVERYONE.

>> IT'S FOUR CARDS BEING RAISED IN FAVOR.

THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, MR. MAYOR.

>> WHO ELSE HAS AN AMENDMENT? DOES ANYONE WHO HASN'T GOTTEN ONE OUT THERE THAT THEY REALLY WANT TO GET OUT THERE BEFORE I GO? TO REPEAT OFFENDERS. MR. WEST, DO YOU GET TO REPEAT OFFEND WITH ANOTHER AMENDMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE US THE SPEECH AND THEN WITHDRAW OR YOU'LL REALLY PUSH WITH THIS ONE?

>> WE'LL SEE. DEPENDS ON THE ANSWERS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO COMMIT TO IT NOW.

>> GO AHEAD.

>> DEPENDS ON THE ANSWERS.

>> DO IT IN THE FORM OF A MOTION, PLEASE, THOUGH.

IT DOESN'T GET A SECOND, YOU DON'T EVEN GET TO GIVE THE SPEECH.

>> THAT'S VERY TRUE.

DON'T GIVE ANYBODY ANY SUGGESTIONS, PLEASE.

THIS IS MY LAST AMENDMENT.

IT'S AMENDMENT NUMBER 6.

THE MOTION IS GOING TO BE CHANGED FROM WHAT'S ON HERE, REDUCE THE BUDGET FOR REAL ESTATE DIVISION OF PUBLIC WORKS ACTUALLY TO KEEP THE BUDGET AS PROPOSED BY STAFF FOR '23, '24, AND THEN FOR '24, '25, INITIATE AN RFP PROCESS TO THIRD PARTY OUTSOURCE THIS FUNCTION FOR FUTURE YEARS.

THAT CREDIT WILL BE FOR THE RFP PROCESS IN '24, AND '25.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE GET THE SECOND BEFORE.

SIX WAS THE SAME, HOW WAS IT DIFFERENT?

>> THE AMENDMENT AS POSTED BY STAFF HAS THE DEBIT AS 25 PERCENT FOR THIS FIRST YEAR WITH THE CREDIT GOING TO THE PENSION, AND THEN FOR '24, '25, HAVING THE ENTIRE BUDGET GOING TO AN RFP PROCESS TO THIRD-PARTY AD OUT.

THE CHANGE IS TO SIMPLY KEEP THE FUNDING INTACT IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR '23, '24, AND THEN CONTINUE THE RFP PROCESS AS PROPOSED FOR '24, '25.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT I COULD EXPLAIN IF I HAVE TO PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT'S THE MOTION.

IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED TO SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? I ASSUME THERE IS. FIVE-MINUTES, SIR.

>> POINT OF ORDER, MR. MAYOR.

>> STATE YOUR POINT OF ORDER.

>> IS THIS ELIGIBLE SINCE IT'S SPEAKING ABOUT FUTURE YEARS, FUTURE BUDGETS? FOR THE SOURCE OF FUNDS.

IN THE SOURCE OF FUNDS, IT SAYS THIRD PARTY TO OUTSOURCE THIS FUNCTION FOR FISCAL YEAR 24/25.

MAYBE I'M JUST CONFUSED.

NEVER MIND, I PULL MY POINT OF ORDER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

>> NO, I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.

[LAUGHTER] WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL IMPACT FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET?

>> MAY I ANSWER? THE WAY I JUST ADJUSTED IT, THERE'S NO FINANCIAL IMPACT FOR 23/24.

IT'S TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDED BUDGETS, SO THE 381,786 WOULD STAY IN THE DEPARTMENT.

BUT FOR FUTURE YEARS, THE BUDGET THAT'S PROPOSED BY THE CITY MANAGER, WOULD THEN RFP OUT THAT WHATEVER THAT BUDGET WOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED WILL GO TO THIRD PARTIES.

>> CAN I ASK A POINT OF ORDER?

>> YOU CAN'T, AND THIS IS ALL FINE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, WE ARE TECHNICALLY IN THE DISCUSSION PORTION OF IT NOW.

>> THEN I CAN USE MY TIME IF YOU PREFER.

>> YEAH, SURE.

>> BUT HE WAS FIRST.

>> IT'S FINE, GO SET YOUR POINT. IT'S A POINT OF ORDER.

>> MY QUESTION IS, IF WE, AS A COUNCIL RIGHT NOW, ARE MANDATING THEM TO PUT SOMETHING OUT FOR RFP, DON'T WE NEED A COUNCIL DECISION AND THEN A BRIEFING ON THIS DEPARTMENT? WE'RE GOING TO OUTSOURCE A WHOLE DEPARTMENT? I THINK WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE A BRIEFING ABOUT IT,

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EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT TO THAT PLACE.

>> THAT A POINT OF ORDER?

>> I DON'T KNOW. I'M ASKING.

I'M HAPPY I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

>> I'M GOING TO LET THE CITY MANAGER SPEAK TO ABOUT.

BEFORE I DO THAT, I'M GOING TO SAY I DON'T KNOW IF THERE MIGHT BE A PRACTICAL REASON THAT I DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO ADDRESS, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THINGS YOU WANT TO SAY.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A LEGAL PROHIBITION OR NOT.

I DO KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE IN A BUDGET IN A STATE LEGISLATURE, IT'S PROHIBITED PRACTICE YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE GENERAL LAW THROUGH A BUDGET.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THAT SIMILAR PROHIBITION HERE, BUT I'LL LET THE CITY MANAGER AND THE LAWYERS WHO DRAW SALARIES TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS, DO THAT.

>> MR. MAYOR, I HAVE ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER.

>> NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM ON TOP OF EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW.

[LAUGHTER]

>> I CAN'T KEEP MY GOD STRAIGHT.

ISN'T ABOUT THE POINT OF ORDER.

>> NO, IT'S ABOUT THE ITEM.

>> CAN WE RESOLVE THAT ONE FIRST.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> MY POINT OF ORDER WOULD RESOLVE THAT POINT OF ORDER.

[LAUGHTER]

>> IT'S A SUPER POINT OF ORDER.

>> IT'S THE POINT THAT WE'RE NOT PROPOSED TO AMEND THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, IT WOULD ONLY AFFECT THE NEXT PROPOSED BUDGET AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN ORDER.

>> AM GOING TO LET THEM SPEAK TO THAT.

>> THE MANAGER IS NODDING HIS HEAD.

[LAUGHTER]

>> ME AND COUNCIL MEMBER WE FINALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING TODAY.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER.

I WOULD AGREE IT IS REALLY ABOUT THE PLANNED BUDGET, I THINK, BUT THE BIGGER ISSUE, I BELIEVE, IS THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY AND THE DETERMINATION OF WHAT DEPARTMENTS, WHAT FUNCTIONS, AND WHO PERFORM THOSE FUNCTIONS TYPICALLY ARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY MANAGER.

WANTED TO DO THAT AT A BRIEFING, I THINK TO COUNCIL MEMBER, SHELTON, PROBABLY COUNCIL MEMBER REALLY IS POINT IS, NOT REALLY PROBABLY APPROPRIATE.

BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT WE DO AND WHAT OUR REAL ESTATE OPPORTUNITY AND OUR FUNCTIONS DO.

I THINK IS MUCH MORE THAN WHAT I THINK WE COULD PUT ON THE STREET FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INTIMATE THAN THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE RELATIONSHIP OF MANAGING OUR RESOURCES AS IT RELATES TO OUR ASSETS, AS WELL AS DISPOSING OF THEM.

THE PROCUREMENT OF RIGHTS-OF-WAY AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO THROUGH, WHETHER IT'S CONDEMNATION AND ALL THOSE THINGS I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED.

I THINK THE DISCUSSION COULD BE HAD.

I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHY FOR ROBERT AND HIS TEAM TO COME AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT DIVISION ARE AND THEN ULTIMATELY HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AND THE FULL COUNSEL ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO AND SEE IF IN FACT, WE CAN DO IT BETTER OR MORE EFFICIENT IF WE DID A THIRD PARTY.

>> I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

I WOULD JUST SAY THAT AS A REMINDER, WE'RE AMENDING THE BUDGET ORDINANCE, IN HISTORICALLY AND IT'S JUST NUMBERS.

YOU CAN'T PUT DIRECTIVES IN THE BUDGET ORDINANCE TO DO SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE.

WE'RE WORKING ON 23/24 ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS.

>> I'M JUST GOING TO INTERPRET.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THE ONE AMENDMENT YOU ACTUALLY CARED THE PATH IS ACTUALLY NOT EVEN LEGAL.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. DO YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW IT?

>> I WILL WITHDRAW IT AND BRING THIS ISSUE TO GPFM, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY MAYOR, TO CLARIFY, A COUPLE OF MY OTHER AMENDMENTS WERE SUBSUMED IN 28A, SO IT WASN'T A COMPLETE LOSS TODAY.

>> WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT WINS AND LOSSES HERE.

IT'S MORE ABOUT LEGAL AND ILLEGAL AND HOW YOU FEEL AND HOW YOU FEEL.

[LAUGHTER]

>> THAT'S WHY WE ONLY HAVE GREEN CARDS NOW.

THE RED CARD WERE TOO HURTFUL, TALK ALL ABOUT FEELINGS NOW.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> ANYONE ELSE GOTTEN AMENDMENTS AS WE GOT MR. WEST TO FINALLY STOP? [LAUGHTER]

>> JAYNIE SCHULTZ, DO YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT YOU WANT TO PUT OUT?

>> NO, SIR, MY AMENDMENT PASSED.

[LAUGHTER]

>> YOU GUYS ARE DOING THE WINS AND LOSSES THING.

I TOLD YOU ABOUT WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE IN THE QUEUE.

>> HELLO?

>> IT'S A MIRACLE, OKAY.

THERE YOU GO. CHAIRWOMAN SO YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT?

>> I DO. THIS WOULD BE AMENDMENT NUMBER 35.

>> NEED A MOTION.

>> AM KEEPING WITH THE AMENDMENTS ALIGNING WITH THE MEMO THAT I SENT TO YOU, THE AMENDMENT IS USING SOURCE OF FUNDS REDUCING CODE COMPLIANCE, $3,828,037, REDUCING MANAGEMENT SERVICES OFFICER COMMUNITY CARE, 823,504, REDUCING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, $1,029,095, REDUCING PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, 3,329,242, AND ALL OF THAT TO DECREASE THE TAX RATE.

>> IS IT EXACTLY AS I'M 35 IS WRITTEN?

>> IT IS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? IT'S BEEN SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> YES.

>> FIVE MINUTES ON EVERYONE.

AMENDMENT 35, AS WRITTEN.

>> THANK YOU. IN THE DOCUMENT, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT SAYS CODE COMPLIANCE, REDUCING THAT.

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CODE COMPLIANCE HAS ASKED FOR 9.3 PERCENT INCREASE YEAR OVER YEAR, 64 PERCENT GROWTH IN FIVE YEARS.

FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR 8.9 PERCENT YEAR OVER YEAR, 56 PERCENT GROWTH IN FIVE YEARS.

THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, [NOISE]

>> 15.7 PERCENT YEAR OVER YEAR, 57 PERCENT GROWTH IN FIVE YEARS.

PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN 70 PERCENT GROWTH YEAR OVER YEAR.

OF COURSE, THEY DID TAKE ON THE SELF PRESERVATION AND 162 PERCENT GROWTH IN FIVE YEARS.

THIS AMENDMENT ACTUALLY REDUCES THOSE BUDGETS TO THE LESSER OF EITHER FISCAL 23 OR THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGETS.

IT'S EITHER NO CHANGE AT ALL FROM THE FORECAST FISCAL YEAR 23 OR THE PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 24, WHICHEVER ONE IS THE SMALLEST NUMBER.

WITH THAT, I THINK THIS IS ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH HAPPENING.

IT WASN'T SPECIFIC TO DEPARTMENTS.

IT WAS A FRAMEWORK WITHOUT EMOTION, NOT SURGICAL, NOT MEANT TO BASH A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT.

IT WAS MEANT TO RESTRAIN GROWTH.

THIS IS NOT CUTTING ANY DEPARTMENT.

IT'S LITERALLY KEEPING THEM WHERE THEY ARE THIS FISCAL YEAR OR WHERE THE MANAGER PROPOSES FOR THE COMING YEAR, WHICHEVER IS THE LEAST. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK ON FOR, AGAINST THE AMENDMENT 35 AS WRITTEN IN YOUR PACKET? SEEING NONE, LET'S SEE, THE CARDS.

[OVERLAPPING]

>> WITH ONLY TWO CARDS RAISED IN FAVOR, THIS AMENDMENT FAILS, MR. MAYOR.

>> AMENDMENTS, ANYONE? YOU DON'T HAVE TO, MR. RIDLEY, IN THE FORM OF A MOTION, PLEASE.

>> ITEM AMENDMENT 23, I MOVE THAT WE ELIMINATE THE PARK AND RECREATION VACANT PARK MAINTENANCE WORKER 1 AND ONE VACANT PARK MAINTENANCE WORKER 2 FOR A SAVINGS OF $382,406 TO ELIMINATE THESE VACANT POSITIONS WITH THE USE OF FUNDS GOING TO REDUCTION IN THE TAX RATE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, SO MEMBERS WERE TALKING AMENDMENT 23 AS IT WAS WRITTEN IN YOUR PACKET.

MR. RIDLEY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES IF YOU NEED IT.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THIS ITEM STRUCK ME WHEN I REVIEWED THE BUDGET AS ONE THAT WAS RELATIVELY EASY TO MAKE.

THESE ARE CURRENTLY VACANT POSITIONS.

WE HAVE ALREADY ENDORSED THE IDEA OF ELIMINATING VACANT POSITIONS THAT HAD BEEN OPEN FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME IN A PREVIOUS BUDGET AMENDMENT.

THIS ONE PARTICULARLY GOT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE OF THE HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT OF 382,000 FOR TWO MAINTENANCE WORKER POSITIONS.

>> YOU GET ME EVERY TIME WITH THAT.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON AMENDMENT 23.

>> THANK YOU. I ALSO NOTICED THAT HIGH DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR TWO POSITIONS.

I WAS WONDERING IF SOMEBODY FROM PARKSERS HERE WHO COULD EXPLAIN.

I THINK WE'D HAVE SOME HIGHLY TRAINED PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE.

BUT JACK, YOU CAN VERIFY THAT'S NOT A TYPO?

>> I WILL VERIFY THAT THIS REDUCTION SEEMS TO HAVE COME FROM THE REDUCTIONS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS TURNED EARLY