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COMMITTEE MEMBERS[2024 Bond Critical Facilities Subcommittee on August 22, 2023. ]
AND CHAIR.UM, WE DO HAVE THREE SPEAKER SPEAKERS, UH, THAT WILL BE SPEAKING TODAY.
UM, OUR FIRST SPEAKER TODAY, TAKE DISTRICT ONE, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK, SIR, YOU'VE GOT TWO MINUTES.
I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY.
UH, I HAVE SERVED ON A NUMBER OF MUNICIPAL BOARDS, INCLUDING MUNICIPAL LIBRARY BOARD.
UH, MY ORGANIZATION HAS A MEMBERSHIP OF APPROXIMATELY 40, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY REPLACEMENT BE PLACED ON THE BOND ISSUE.
THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1987.
IT HAS MANY FALSE STRUCTURALLY AND SUITABILITY FOR NEW PURPOSES, SUCH AS WIRING, NETWORKING, UH, A D A, COMPLIANCE, ET CETERA.
UH, IT HAS HAD NUMEROUS PROBLEMS WITH HEATING, COOLING, AIR CONDITIONING, PLUMBING, ET CETERA.
AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS WELL ON IN YEARS.
UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT FOR PLACING THIS ON THE BOND ISSUE.
THE ON THE BOND ISSUE IS VERY IMPORTANT.
OUR SECOND SPEAKER FOR TODAY, IT'S, UH, CHAIR SHELBY.
JUST WANNA STEP OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.
I'M THE CHAIR OF THE, UM, DE ANIMAL SERVICES SHELTER COMMISSION.
AND IN MY DAY JOB, WHAT I DO IS I GO AROUND THE STATE AND I WORK WITH DIFFERENT SHELTERS DETERMINING WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE SO I CAN GO TO THE LEGISLATURE LAWS TO HELP NOT ONLY THE ANIMALS, BUT THE SHELTERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH THEM.
I'VE PROBABLY GONE TO ABOUT 200 SHELTERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND I'M HERE 1000% TO SUPPORT, UM, MONIES GOING TOWARDS A SHELTER FOR NOT ONLY OF THE VARIETY OF REASONS THAT WE HEARD LAST WEEK, LIKE THERE WERE 2000 BREWSTERS THAT D A S HAD TO TAKE CARE OF.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WERE SEVERAL RIGHT TO FARM LAWS THAT WERE PASSED THIS YEAR BY THE LEGISLATURE.
AND THAT MEANS THAT NOW PEOPLE CAN HAVE COWS, UM, LITERALLY SHEEP, GOATS AND CHICKENS, UM, IN THEIR BACKYARDS.
SO WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF SEIZURES AND EVEN MORE SPACE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I GO TO THESE SHELTERS, THEY HAVE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. THEY HAVE READING PROGRAMS WITH KIDS AND FAMILIES, AND THOSE ANIMALS ARE GETTING ADOPTED.
LAST WEEK I WENT AND THE ENTIRE ADOPTIONS TEAM IS LITERALLY CRAMPED.
AND THE, SO IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, HUMAN RESOURCES, IT'S ALL THE ABOVE.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF YOU AT ANY TIME.
AND OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR THE DAY, UH, RACHEL GEARING.
MY NAME IS RACHEL NELSON GEARING AND I'M ON THE ANIMAL ADVISORY, UH, COMMISSION FOR THE CITY.
I AM ALSO, UM, I SERVED ON THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE TASK FORCE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I PRACTICE IN DALLAS.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE, THE SITUATION IN DALLAS, ANIMAL ANIMAL SERVICES IS CRITICAL.
THEY'RE AT 147% CAPACITY RIGHT NOW, WHICH MEANS MULTIPLE DOGS AND SINGLE DOG KENNELS, WHICH MEANS IT'S IN FOSTER CLEAN.
WE'RE TALKING HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES HERE.
CLEANLINESS AND DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES IS DOING ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THEY CAN.
THEY'VE INCREASED HIRING, HIRING, THEY HAVE MORE, UM, PATROL ON THE STREETS HELPING PICK UP LOST DOGS.
BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY UNLESS THEY HAVE ANY FACILITY.
UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS GROWING AND LIKE I SAW WHEN I SERVED ON THE DANGEROUS LAW ORDINANCE TASK FORCE AFTER THOSE TWO HIGH PROFILE KILLINGS WHEN INDIVIDUALS WERE KILLED BY STRAY DOGS, I REALLY WORRY WE'RE GETTING INTO A SITUATION WHERE THE FACILITY JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AND WE'RE GONNA BE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT AGAIN.
AND THAT JUST REFLECTS SO POORLY ON THE CITY.
UM, AND SO AS MUCH AS IT IS ALSO AN ISSUE ABOUT JUST HUMANE TREATMENT OF ANIMALS, WHICH I'M SURE WE ALL BE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN AGREE ON, IT'S ALSO A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
UM, SO WE STRONGLY, UM, REQUEST THAT YOU ALLOCATE BOND MONEY TOWARDS THE THOUSAND SERVICES FOR THE NEW FACILITY.
THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
ALL THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING DOWN AND US.
UH, I WANNA GO ONTO TO ITEM ONE.
UM, AND I THINK WE'RE, ITEM ONE IS DISCUSSING FIELD TRIPS.
UM, KIND THIS IS, WE, WE DON'T, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY.
THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE ABOUT OUR WORK THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
UM, BUT THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I KNOW WHEN I WAS WORKING THROUGH THE PRIORITIES AND RIGHT.
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RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, THAT STILL NEED TO BE ANSWERED.SO WE DO HAVE, I THINK SOMEBODY FROM ALL I REQUESTED TODAY, UM, THAT SOME US HERE FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ASKING FOR DOLLARS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM F R
AND THEN WE HAVE SOMEONE, UH, VIRTUALLY, UH, I T S I.
UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE, UM, OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FIELD TRIPS.
WE JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CITY DATA CENTER.
UH, WE'VE GOT 39 MILLION PLUS ON THE, ON THIS PRIORITY LIST.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT 30 MILLION ON THIS OVERVIEW OF NEEDS FOR PROPOSITION LIST.
WELL, I NOTICED THAT GOING THROUGH ALL THE NUMBERS, THE, THE NEWEST LIST THAT, UM, FRAY SENT US RELATED TO, UM, MAJOR RENOVATIONS.
ALL, ALL THE NUMBERS WERE INFLATED FROM THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HEARD BY THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
LIKE I KNOW, UH, OFFICE OF CULTURAL AFFAIR AFFAIRS, IT, THERE'S A TOTAL CLOSE TO 50 MILLION.
BUT THEN IF YOU, YOUR LATEST, UM, DOCUMENT THAT YOU SENT, ALL OF US THAT HAD THE SCORING ON IT, ALL THOSE NUMBERS WERE HIGHER THAN THEY WERE LISTED IN THE PRESENTATIONS.
AND THE REASON IS WE ARE ADDING, UH, DIFFERENT FACTORS SUCH AS ADMINISTRATION COSTS, CCAP GOALS, UM, INFLATION, UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ENOUGH, UH, FUNDS ARE, UH, SET ASIDE FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
SO EVERYTHING GOT INFLATED, I GUESS.
DID YOU GUYS KIND OF NOTICE THAT WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH YEAH, EVERYTHING WAS ADJUSTED TO INCORPORATE THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS? UM, SO LIKE FOR THE IT THEN THERE ARE TWO, I THINK THAT DANIEL'S ON, UH, TWO MAJOR PROJECTS, CORRECT.
DANIEL, THE DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT WITH WHAT THE NUMBERS APOLOGIZE AND YES.
AND, AND, UM, AND I'LL APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS THAT WERE TURNED IN.
I, I KNOW SHEILA'S THERE AND BILL WAS PLANNING ON BEING HERE.
SO OF THE THREE BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT WE REQUESTED IN THERE FOR THE OVERALL NUMBER IN REGARDS TO THE DATA CENTER, THE NUMBER THAT GOES TO THE NEW DATA CENTER IS FOR RENOVATIONS FOR THE FACILITY THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY ACQUIRED.
IT'S A FUNCTIONING DATA CENTER.
WHAT THAT WILL, WHAT THAT MONEY WILL GO TO IS MAKING SURE THAT THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY KEPT UP TO DATE AND UP TO SPEED WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE THERE.
AND, AND REFERRING TO CCAP, IS IT THE BUILDING HAS FIVE GENERATORS, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE GENERATORS IF NEED BE, NEED TO BE UPDATED.
THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS WITH THE DATA CENTER RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH ACQUISITION.
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MONEY WAS THE TOUR THAT YOU TOOK THIS WEEKEND, WHICH WAS REVOLVING AROUND THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER.
UH, AND THAT WAS THE OUTDATED FACILITY THAT WE JUST CAN'T STRUCTURALLY UPDATE THE BUILDING ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.
UH, BECAUSE OF THE CONFINES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW.
WE CAN'T MAKE THE BUILDING ANY LARGER AND REROUTE TRAFFIC PATTERNS THROUGHOUT THOSE PARKING LOTS TO HOUSE THE LARGER, UH, FIRE APPARATUSES.
SO, OUT OF A QUESTION FOR YOU, DANIEL, WITH, AND THEN YOU HAD A THIRD ASK, WHICH I THINK WAS RELATED TO, UH, THE YES, MA'AM.
THE THIRD ASK WAS RELATED TO TECHNICAL DEBT.
UH, AND THAT'S IN REGARDS TO, UH, OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS, WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE, THE FUNDING THAT IT MAY HAVE WANTED TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH CERTAIN ITEMS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE KEPT UP TO A CERTAIN PROPER STANDARDS.
UH, WITH THE, WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW EXECUTIVE TEAM OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE STARTED THAT, UH, THAT CASE TO ACTUALLY FIND AND IDENTIFY THOSE ITEMS. AND THAT'S TO CONTINUE THE RE REMEDIATION OF THOSE TECHNICAL DEBT ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.
SO TO BRING SERVERS UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS OR, OR TO EVEN PUT IN SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS TO, TO UNIFY SOME OF THE SYSTEMS TO KIND OF REDUCE THE RISK THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY.
SO EVEN WITHOUT THAT ASK, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE A GENERAL FUND EXPENSE, BUT, UH, THE YOU'RE AT ONE FIFTY, A HUNDRED FIFTY 2 MILLION AND THEY HAVE KIND OF, UM, AND THE BOND ALLOCATION WAS LIKE 35 TO IT.
I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW 35 GETS CHIPS AWAY AT WHAT YOU NEED.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T DO A PARTIAL BUILDING.
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YOU CAN'T GO INTO THE NEW DATA CENTER WITH JUST A PORTION OF THE DOLLAR.SO, I MEAN, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, DO WE, IS THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS OR IS THERE OPTIONS FOR OUTSOURCING ANY OF THIS THAT I, I KNOW THIS IS A CONCERN.
I MEAN, WE ARE HERE TO AL ALLOCATE DOLLARS.
WE CAN'T REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS CHALLENGING.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO MAKE POLICY DECISIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD BE OUTSOURCED FROM THE CITY OR NOT.
BUT IS THAT BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DEBATED? I MEAN, IS THIS OUR ONLY SOLUTION IS TO MANAGE ALL THESE DAY TO DAY? YES.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AND WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED EVEN FURTHER TODAY, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN WEIGHING OVER, OVER THE YEARS.
AND THERE'S NOT REALLY, THERE'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL WHEN IT COMES TO IT.
UM, WHEN WE HOLD EVERYTHING IN-HOUSE, THEN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE STAFF AND ALL THE PROPERTY AND ALL, ALL THE HARDWARE ON HOUSE, IN-HOUSE TO DO IT.
IF WE PUSH EVERYTHING TO THE CLOUD, THEN WE'RE AT, AT THE MERCY OF A VENDOR DID, DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACT AND HOW THAT'S WRITTEN, HOW THE CITY REALLY IS MOVING FORWARD AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT MAKES SENSE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION, EACH INDIVIDUAL SERVICE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT PROVIDES, THAT WE HELP THAT DEPARTMENT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR 'EM.
WE HEARD ANIMAL CONTROL, THEY HAVE SOFTWARE AND THEY HAVE ITEMS THAT THEY USE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION, IDENTIFYING ITS USE, ITS ITS TECHNICAL FIT, ITS ITS BUDGET FIT GOING FORWARD AND WHAT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE IT TO THE CLOUD OR MOVE IT TO A SAAS SOLUTION.
WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THAT.
WHAT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP IT IN-HOUSE AND TO KEEP IT, UH, ON PREMISE AND, AND HAVE A VENDOR SUPPORT IT.
WE'RE DOING THAT AND WHAT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT IN-HOUSE AND KEEP OUR STAFF SUPPORTING IT, WE'LL DO THAT.
SO WE'RE EVALUATING EACH ONE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST, THE BEST FIT OVERALL FOR THE CITY.
I KIND OF JUMPED TO THIS IT, 'CAUSE I THINK WHEN I WAS TRYING TO ALLOCATE SOURCES, THIS IS WAS REALLY A CHALLENGING ONE BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE DETERMINE THAT WE SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS, WE GOTTA TAKE THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE OR, OR THE NEXT TASK FORCE WILL HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO WHAT I WANNA HEAR EVERYBODY'S, AND I APOLOGIZE, E EFRIN, CAN YOU MOVE OVER? UH, SHEILA ROBINSON, SHE'S THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER OUR BUDGET AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP ME AND HELP US.
I IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.
SHE'S GOT A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT THAN I DO, BUT SHE'S AN ATTENDEE.
IF YOU COULD MOVE HER OVER TO A PANELIST, PLEASE.
I THOUGHT ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING MADAM CHAIR? THIS MAY, THIS MAY BE GOING BACK TO THE SECOND BUCKET.
UM, I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR ON, ON THE DIVISION, BUT, UM, DURING THE TOUR, I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A REDUNDANT SYSTEM IN THAT DATA CENTER THAT WE TOURED THAT I THINK IT WAS CHARACTERIZED AS BEING LEFT ONLINE WHILE OFFICERS BECAME MORE FAMILIAR WITH A NEW SYSTEM THAT IS APPARENTLY ALSO ONLINE.
I'M WONDERING WHEN THAT REDUNDANT SYSTEM COMES OUT AND WHETHER WE RECAPTURE ANY SPACE OR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE CURRENT CURRENT.
SO, SO CLARIFICATION FOR THAT FOR YOU, SIR.
THE, THE FACILITY THAT YOU LOOKED AT WHILE IT LOOKED IN TURN INSIDE LIKE A DATA CENTER, THAT WAS OUR RADIO NETWORK SYSTEM, UH, THAT IS NOT HOUSED IN THE DATA CENTER.
OUR DATA CENTER THAT IS CURRENTLY HOUSED IN CITY HALL IS, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS AND THOSE ARE THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING TO THE, UH, THE NEW DATA CENTER.
THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU SAW AT THE DAWSON FACILITY AT 31 31 DAWSON DURING THE TOUR.
ALL OF THAT WILL GO AWAY WITH THE BUILDING.
SIR, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MIGRATED OVER THOSE, UH, THOSE SYSTEMS ARE BEING RUN IN PARALLEL UNTIL THE FULL SIGN OFF OF P 25, WHICH I BELIEVE IS EXPECTED TO BE DONE AND TESTING AND COMPLETION DONE BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN THAT SYSTEM WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN.
BUT YOU, BUT YOU NEED THE NEW, IT'S GOING IN THE DATA CENTER OR IT'S GOING INTO THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU WANNA BUILD ON OAK.
THE, THE P 25 SYSTEM IS SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, MA'AM.
IT, IT IS, IT IS STATIONED, INSTEAD OF BEING IN ONE LOCATION, IT'S STATIONED THROUGHOUT SEVERAL PLACES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
SO THEN EVERYTHING WE SAW IN THAT CROWDED, STACKED, CRAMMED COMMUNICATION CENTER, ALL OF THAT GOES AWAY.
ALL, ALL OF THAT WILL GO AWAY OR IS HAS ALREADY BEEN DUPLICATED INTO ANOTHER SPACE.
SO THE, THE A HUNDRED AND I DON'T WANNA SAY THE WRONG NUMBER,
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THE, THE FACILITY, THE 5 MILLION WELL, BUT IT, IT IS ACTUALLY IS 112 MILLION IS HOW THE NEW NUMBERS THEY GAVE US THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER THAT WON'T, THAT WON'T HOUSE ANY OF THAT.YOU NEED ALL THAT JUST FOR, UM, INSTALLING THE EQUIPMENT INTO THE VEHICLES.
FOR VEHICLE AND INFRASTRUCTURE PARTS OF DALLAS POLICE, FIRE, ANYTHING THAT'S MOBILE IN A VEHICLE THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, THAT'S FOR THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER AND THE UPDATED STOCKROOM TO DO ALL OF IT.
UH, ASSET MANAGEMENT AND I, I SAW SHEILA'S ONLINE, SHEILA, BUT SHE, SHE'S PROBABLY WORKING ON HER MUTE, SO WHEN SHE COMES OFF MUTE, I'M SURE SHE'LL ADD YOU'RE THE EXPERT ON ME, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CITY HAS A THREE STORY DATA CENTER THAT WE BOUGHT FOR A DOLLAR THAT WE WANT TO MOVE INTO FOR $35 MILLION.
AND HOW MANY FLOORS YOU GONNA USE? SO OF THAT DATA CENTER, THE CURRENT DATA CENTER WE ARE GOING TO USE APPROXIMATELY, UH, SO THE, THE, IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR FLOORS.
THE FOURTH FLOOR WILL HOUSE IT STAFF PERSONNEL AND SOME CRITICAL ISSUES.
AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF FLUSHING OUT THE REST OF THAT WITH, UH, CITY'S EXECUTIVE STAFF.
UH, THE FOURTH FLOOR WILL HOUSE, UH, IT SERVICES, UH, OUR STAFF AND SOME OTHER CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING SOME OTHER PRIORITY TIER ONE SUPPORT CENTERS.
UH, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WE'RE, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL FOR SOME REVENUE GENERATION WITH THE CURRENT TENANTS THAT ARE THERE.
WE'RE LOOKING AND EXPLORING THAT OPTION.
UH, AND THEN WE WILL USE, WE WILL UTILIZE, UH, ABOUT, UH, ONE FOURTH TO ONE FIFTH OF THE THIRD FLOOR.
AND THE REST OF THAT WHITE SPACE FOR THE DATA CENTER COULD BE UTILIZED FOR, UH, FOR OTHER VENUES WITH, WITH SOME, UH, COOPERATIVES WITH OTHER CITIES OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT MAY NEED TO BORROW SOME SPACE OR MAY MAY WANT TO RENT SOME SPACE FROM US.
SO IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR US IN THE FUTURE.
AND WE'RE EXPLORING THOSE ITEMS. SO IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF, OF THE FACILITY ON OAK STREET, ANY OF THE FUNCTIONS WE'RE GONNA BE THERE, COULD ANY OF THOSE BE MOVED TO THAT BUILDING? WE EXPLORED THAT WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION AROUND THE NEW DATA CENTER, UH, NEXT TO JACK EVANS.
THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR VEHICLES IS, IS THE ISSUE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER AS IT STANDS NOW ON DAWSON, UH, IN ORDER TO GET A LARGE FIRE APPARATUS IN THERE, UH, THERE'S NOT A GARAGE LARGE ENOUGH OVER AT THE NEW FACILITY TO DO THAT.
IT'S SOME ACTUAL PARKING GARAGE THAT POLICE IS USING.
BUT IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO JACK EVANS.
SO IT'D BE A LOGICAL PLACE FOR YOUR POLICE CARS AND YOU DON'T NEED NEARLY AS MUCH SPACE FOR, TO THE POLICE CARS THE SIZE BUILDING.
SO I RECOGNIZE IT'S NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO BREAK THAT INTO TWO A A TWO SMALLER FACILITIES, ONE THAT COULD BE CLOSER TO JACK EVANS TO SUPPORT D P D AND ONE THAT COULD BE FOR THE LARGER TRUCKS AND IT COULD BE A SMALLER CENTER AND COST LESS.
SO IN THEORY, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE, SIR.
UH, WHAT WE RUN INTO IS WHAT, WHAT I COULD PICTURE US KIND OF RUNNING INTO WITH THOSE IDEAS IS THE SAME PARTS THAT WE USE IN POLICE AND FIRE, WE NOW HAVE TO HOUSE IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OR TRANSPORT BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM.
SO IT'S, IT, IT'LL ADD A DEGREE OF LOGISTICS AND PROBABLY PERSONNEL AND TRANSPORTING ITEMS THROUGH THERE.
UH, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT EXPLORING AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THAT.
UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I WOULDN'T THINK, UM, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE OPTIMAL, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT FROM A LOGISTICS STANDPOINT.
IS IT LESS OF A LOGISTIC NIGHTMARE TO DO THAT OR TO STAY WHERE YOU ARE? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, SIR.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT WITHOUT LOOKING FURTHER AT, AT THE NEW FACILITY.
THE THE BOTTOM LINE IS I DON'T THINK WE HAVE $140 MILLION FOR YOUR NEW FACILITY.
SO I THINK YOU'VE GOTTA BE CREATIVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO IT FOR A WHOLE LOT LESS.
WE JUST
YOU'VE GOT A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT IS TECHNOLOGY SUPREME AND RIGHT NEXT TO JACK EVANS.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT THE EXPERT, I'M JUST THE GUY FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.
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WE'LL LOOK AT SOME MORE, SOME MORE AVENUES TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME BETTER SOLUTIONS.UH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT AND, AND, AND PROCESS FOR WHAT WE DID.
AND, UM, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, YOU SAID A 180 MILLION, UM, WHERE, WHERE WAS THAT NUMBER FROM? WELL, NO, THE MO THE NUMBER WE GOT WAS 112 FOR THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY AND 39 THE DATA CENTER.
SO 151 FOR THE TECHNICAL DEBT I ADDED TO HUNDRED SEVEN 7 MILLION.
AND IF YOU ADDED THE TECHNICAL DEBT TO IT, THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT TO THAT.
BUT, BUT I, THAT THERE WAS A 300 K FOR MAKE YOUR MAIN OH, 300 K IN THAT.
ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S TABLE THAT DISCUSSION AND MOVE TO ANY OTHER LIKE, ADDRESS QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF RELATED TO FEASIBILITY OR, OR, OR SPECIFICS.
WELL IT SEEMED TO ME ON OUR TOUR, AND WE CAN KIND OF COMBINE FIELD TRIPS AND OPEN DISCUSSION, IT CAME TO ME ON OUR TOUR.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE BEING ASKED TO BE REPLACED THAT WERE LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD.
THERE ARE A LOT OF LIGHTING REDOING THE FLOOR AT THE MOODY.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THOSE THINGS WITH 20 YEAR MONEY IF YOU AND THAT ANALOGIZE IT TO A CAR, CAR, WE'RE UPSIDE DOWN.
AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING TO COME BACK AND SPEND 20 YEAR MONEY ON THINGS THAT AREN'T GONNA LAST 20 YEARS.
SO I'D LIKE TO CHALLENGE STAFF TO GO BACK AND ELIMINATE FROM ALL THE BUDGETS.
ANYTHING THAT'S NOT 20 YEAR LIFE, I THINK IT WILL RIGHT SIZE IT TO A DEGREE.
BUT YOU GET TO LOOK AT FOR PROCUREMENT, WHO'S ALL THESE PLACES THAT ARE
AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF OUR MONEY TO SPEND 20 YEAR TO PAY FOR THAT STUFF FOR 20 YEARS.
AND IT'S NOT GONNA LAST 20 YEARS.
WE NEED TO DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AIR CONDITIONING, ROOFS.
I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THOSE AREN'T GOOD PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE ALREADY UPSIDE DOWN.
IF WE PAY FOR 'EM AGAIN FOR 20 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE WAY UPSIDE DOWN MORE.
IT, IT'S, I MEAN THERE'S NINE YEARS OLD THAT ARE ASKING FOR, FOR LIKE MAJOR MAINTENANCE UPGRADE.
THERE'S SOME FACILITIES THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 YEARS OLD THAT ARE ASKING E EXACTLY.
ISN'T IT ALREADY A REQUIREMENT FOR LENDING IN ORDER TO QUALIFY? IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S WEAK.
IT HAS TO BE 20 YEAR YEARS OR MORE.
SO I I, THE CONVERSATION I HEARD FROM JENNIFER AFTER OUR FIELD TRIP WAS SHE WAS GONNA STRIP THOSE WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD NOT GO FORWARD.
EVEN I'M LIKE, IF WE INCLUDED 'EM, I GUESS THEY COULD STRIP BEFORE THEY WENT.
SO WE NEED TO, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY NOT USE THOSE DOLLARS.
IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US AND WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE HOW TO SPEND OUR MONEY IF WE KNOW THERE'S $12 MILLION OF THINGS THAT CAN'T BE CONSIDERED.
IT MAKES IT EASIER BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT THAT WE GOT, WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I THINK THAT WAS PART OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE FIELD TRIP AMONGST DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
THAT THERE WAS CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE SOME THINGS HAD JUST GOTTEN REPLACED THE LAST YEAR AND THEY WERE ALREADY FALLING BECAUSE OF BUILDING STRUCTURE OR OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THE FIXES OR THINGS THAT MADE IT IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS BOND.
AND THEY GOT FIXED, BUT FOR SOME REASON THE WRONG THING GOT DONE.
AND I THINK THEY WERE ALL TO BE, IF WE GO THROUGH OUR KIND OF DIFFERENT AREAS, WE HAVE D F R D P D LIBRARY, IT, CULTURAL ARTS, CITY HALL, FACILITIES, AND THEN HOUSING, WHICH WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A, A BRIEFING ON HOUSING.
AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO, IF IF, IF I CAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION.
SO HOUSING IS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR UM, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE NOW.
SO WE'RE GONNA GO AND COST OH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ALLOCATE ANY DOLLARS EITHER.
'CAUSE I SAID WE NEVER REALLY WERE BRIEFED ON THE BRIDGE OR FOR THE OTHER PERMANENT, UM, PERMANENT SUPPORT HOUSING.
SO THE HOMELESS, HOMELESS ASSISTANCE FACILITIES ARE NOT GONNA BE OUR DEPARTMENT.
YOU HAD 20 MILLION ON 'EM, YOUR SUGGESTED POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT COMES OUT.
THAT COMES OUT AND THAT'S, UH, WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE LOSE THAT MONEY OR WE CAN ALLOCATE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO THESE ARE FOUR, FIVE, WE LOSE THAT, WE LOSE THE 20 MILLION TOO.
BUT I, I'M DEALING REQUEST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN ON REGARDING THOSE PROJECTS THAT IDENTIFIED AS ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.
SO AS OF NOW, WE ARE, UH, CITY STAFF, WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THOSE ITEMS AND WE'RE REMOVING THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.
THOSE SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE GENERAL FUNDING, UH, FUND AND NOT THROUGH POT.
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BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, ALL OF THOSE WERE IN CULTURAL ARTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WEREN'T IN THE FIRE STATIONS THAT WOULD BE PRIORITIZED.WELL, I, I I WOULD TAKE THE VIEW THAT FEDERAL ELECTRIC PANELS, WHICH ARE A NIGHTMARE FIRE HAZARD, THOSE OUGHT TO BE BEING REPLACED ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF A REGULAR, AND THAT WAS FOR CITY HALL.
THAT WAS, WELL WE GOT, I MEAN WE GOT ELECTRICAL PANELS BEING REPLACED, ALL KINDS OF OH YEAH, I A MAJOR CASE WITH MOST FACILITIES WHERE NEW HVAC SYSTEMS, LIKE I HAVE THAT NUMBER LIKE MEMORIZED IN MY HEAD NOW JUST BECAUSE LIKE EVERY CONVERSATION NEEDS AN HVAC SYSTEM.
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE TO ME, LIKE EVEN IF IT'S LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD OR 10 YEARS OLD, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I FEEL BAD FOR A LIBRARY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN HVAC SYSTEM AND I HAVE THOSE HUGE TUBES LIKE RUNNING THROUGH THEIR WHOLE BUILDING AND IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THEIR HVAC SYSTEMS AREN'T WORKING.
YOU KNOW, LIKE, I JUST DUNNO IF THERE'S A WAY TO LIKE DO MAJOR MAINTENANCE ON PLACES.
DO YOU, I THINK THE ALLOCATION THOUGH, LIKE D R'S ALLOCATION OTHER THAN MAJOR MAINTENANCE, WHICH YOU COULD JUST, YOU WE CAN DETERMINE THEN.
BUT DO YOU, YOU START BY SAYING, OKAY, THE THERE'S SOME STATIONS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE OR DO YOU JUST DO MAJOR MAINTENANCE LIKE THE NEW STATE? THE TWO, I MEAN THE TWO, THEIR TOP TWO PRIORITIES WERE 43 AND 11.
SO LIKE I ALLOCATED THOSE TWO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OVER.
BUT THAT I DID IT WAS A HARD TIME GETTING IT LOWER.
OR DO YOU DO JUST ONE STATION AND THEN YOU THEN PRIORITIZE MAJOR MAINTENANCE AT, AT, AT A SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES? LIKE IF YOU DID ONE STATE, IF, IF YOU TRY TO GET D L R TO, WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR
LET'S, HOW'D YOU GET IT TO 26 4? I DID ALL OF THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE FOR EVERY PART OUR FACILITY.
AND THEN, UM, FIRE STATION 22 REPLACEMENT, WHICH WAS 19 MILLION THAT HAD A RATING OF 62, LIKE THE SECOND HIGHEST FOR EVERYTHING.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONE WITH THE HIGHEST, LIKE 19 THE HIGHEST NEED WOULDN'T IF THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT ONE.
IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN OLD ONE.
IF IT'S A PLATE RIP, IT'S, THEY SAID IT'S 60 YEARS OLD.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A SITE ACQUISITION DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AS AND, AND ONE HAD ON THEIR SITE ACQUISITION, BUT 11, THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE NOT MOVING 11.
THEY'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT'S JUST RENOVATION.
BUT IT, THE LINE ITEM HAD HAD MORE INCLUDED IN IT.
I MEAN EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH ACQUISITION, BUT, BUT ARE DID YOU INCLUDE MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE EVENTUALLY TAKEN DOWN? LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.
YEAH, BUT I ORGANIZE THEM ALL BY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT COLUMN THAT SAYS THEIR FINAL WAVE NUMBER, THEIR CALL SCORE PIT FORM.
SO I TOOK OUT ALL OF THE FIRE STATION STUFF FROM MY MAJOR MAINTENANCE, PUT THEM IN ORDER BY THAT AND THEN, UM, REPLACEMENT STATION FOR 22.
SO IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T PRIORITIZED 22? WHY THEY DIDN'T PRIORITIZE IT? THE DEPARTMENT, IF IT IS THE, IF THE HIGHEST SCORE, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY, NO.
WHAT I KNOW IS THAT, UH, 22 WAS THE NUMBER THREE PRIOR AGE.
WHAT'S THE SCORE OF 43 AND 2 43 IS 52 AND 11 IS, AND WHAT DID YOU SAY TO THAT? 22? SOMEBODY HUGE THAT'S ON ONE.
AND HOW ON 11 THAT BUILDINGS HAVE PERTAINED? THEY'RE NOT THAT, THAT 11 MILLION, THAT 50 MILLION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST TO DOING GOOD EVENING.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? HI, THIS IS CHIEF EDENS WITH DALLAS FIRE RESCUE RESCUE.
WAS THERE I, I'M SORRY, A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT 20 TWOS
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S MUTE AGAIN.YEAH, THEY, THEY WERE GONNA RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING FIX THE FOUNDATION.
THEY WERE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE FIRST FLOOR LIVING QUARTERS AND THEN PUT THE VEHICLE, UM, GARAGE BEHIND IT, BEHIND IT.
THIS SPREADSHEET SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT STILL CORRECT.
THE RATING IS 58 PER FIRE STATION 11.
YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE NUMBER I RECALL FROM THE
COULD YOU TELL US THEN HOW? YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE LOOKED AT THE, THE RATING NUMBERS.
THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF, I MEAN, BUT 43 IS A 52 AND YOU UI GUYS PRIORITIZE THAT AS YOUR NUMBER ONE NEED.
AND THEN 11 IS A 58, WHICH IS NOT MUCH OFF AT 62.
UH, MAINLY, OH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
UM, MAINLY, UH, 11 SCORED SUCH A HIGH NUMBER BECAUSE OF, OF THE AGE IN THE DETERIORATION OF THE BRICK.
UH, IT'S LOSING A LOT OF THE MORTAR.
UH, A LOT OF POINTS ARE UNSAFE AS FAR AS LIKE THE EAVES ON THE ROOF.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? YES, YES, YES.
UH, 20 TWOS, UM, DOES HAVE FOUNDATION ISSUES, DOES HAS A BASEMENT, CAUSES MOLD ISSUES FOR US.
UM, BUT AS FAR AS 20 TWOS AND 40 THREES, THEY KIND OF TIED BECAUSE, UH, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM IS THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO EXPAND OUR RESOURCES.
BOTH OF THOSE AREAS ARE ONE OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE BUSIEST AREAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND WE HAVE NO WAY OF ADDING AN AMBULANCE OR, UH, ANY OTHER RESOURCE IN THOSE AREAS.
AND THAT IS WHY, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR THOSE NOT ONLY THEIR AGE AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF, UH, REPAIR THAT, THAT EVERYTHING IN THAT STATION NEEDS.
UM, BUT THE FACT THAT WE AREN'T ABLE TO ADD ANY MORE RESOURCES.
UM, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH BACK WHEN, UM, WITH THE MAINTENANCE ON THE FIRE STATIONS, UH, IF SOME, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH, UH, HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF THE FEDERAL PANELS ELIMINATED FROM THE STATIONS.
BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE MODERN DAY APPARATUS, UH, NOW REQUIRES SO MUCH MORE, UM, ELECTRICAL POWER THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN THE PANELS.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING TO BRING MORE POWER INTO THE STATION, ADD MORE PANELS SO THAT WE CAN SUPPLY THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICAL ITEMS THAT WE HAVE AS OPPOSED TO 1960, UH, WHEN WE WEREN'T EVEN RUNNING E M SS.
SO IT IT WITH ELECTRICAL THAT OR THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE, IT'S NOT JUST FEDERAL PACIFIC.
IT, IT'S EVERY STATION HAS TO BE UPDATED WITH THEIR PANELS.
THEY SWITCH GEAR AMP PANELS FOR THE POWER INCREASE POWER.
EVERY APPARATUS NOW HAS TWO PLUGS AND IT, IT JUST PULLS MORE, HAS MORE REQUIREMENTS.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO COMPLETELY REWIRE EVERY SINGLE STATION, BUT BACK WHEN 20 TWOS AND 40 THREES WERE BUILT, WE DIDN'T EVEN RUN E M SS.
SO WE DIDN'T HAVE HALF THE EQUIPMENT.
SO, SO WHAT'S THE TOTAL OF, FOR IF YOU, IF YOU DID ALL THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADES AND THAT, THAT'S NEEDED? UH, GOOD QUESTION.
I WOULDN'T,
WOULD THAT BE YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT EXIST AT THE, AT ALL THE STATIONS OR IS THERE ANOTHER PRIORITY REGARDING MAINTENANCE? IT'S, SO IS IT WHERE THAT PANEL BOARDS SWITCH GEAR, THAT STUFF? YEAH, SO PROBABLY, UM, GENERATORS AND ELECTRICAL.
UH, BUT THEN ALSO SOME OF THE HVAC SYSTEMS, WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE 15 STATIONS REDONE THIS YEAR WITH NEW HVAC SYSTEMS. UH, BUT WE STILL HAVE OTHER SYSTEMS OUT THERE THAT ARE FROM THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES THAT'S ALMOST TO JUST OVER A MILLION MILLION 100, 1 MILLION HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR THE ELECTRICAL.
FOR THE ELECTRICAL STUFF? YEAH.
SO YOU CAN DECIDE, DO YOU DO ONE STATION AND MORE MA MAJOR MAINTENANCE OR TRY TO PUT TWO STATIONS IN THERE AND THERE'S LESS MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
UM, BUT THEN FOR ALL OF US, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR, UH, HIGHER UP THAN ME.
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NO, I'M, I'M NOT ACTUALLY ASKING THE COMMITTEE TOO, SO YEAH.42 EACH BACK 16,000 A PAUL, THAT'S WHY IT ADDS UP.
SO, UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, UH, KATIE, WHAT? WELL, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, BUT IT'S, BUT THAT'S A LOT.
I MEAN, GETTING ALL THE ELECTRICAL PANELS FOR $1 MILLION SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A LOT FOR THAT'S THAT LOOKING AT THE THIRD.
YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD STRETCH LIKE MONEY A LOT MORE THAN WE GET THESE STATIONS KIND OF, OF THE DATE THEN REPLACING, I MEAN, I KNOW LIKE, OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO D P D, LET'S, IS THERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR D P D? AHA.
SO CAN WE MAKE, UM, A RECOMMENDATION WE'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.
WE KNOW THAT THESE GUYS ARE GONNA CHANGE WHATEVER, GIVE IT TO THEM ANYWAY, SO I KNOW WE WILL KNOW FOR A FACT, BUT, BUT WE WANNA, I I THINK THAT'S, CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? A HIGH SCENARIO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE IS THE TOP THREE, WHICH IS ABOUT $47 MILLION.
THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION FOR HIGH SCENARIO PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE FOR 11.
I MEAN, JUST TO BUT THAT'S NO MAINTENANCE THEN.
WELL, I KNOW, I MEAN YOU CAN ADD THE MAINTENANCE.
I'M JUST SAYING 40, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION IS THE TOP OF IT.
IF WE DO TWO STATIONS IN THE MAINTENANCE.
I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S JUST YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
LET'S DO THAT, THAT WAY WE CAN AT LEAST GET NUMBERS ON HERE.
WOULD WOULD IT BE HELPFUL? SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 1.3 BILLION IN CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
SHOULD WE START BY THINKING WHAT IS THE REALISTIC TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE? SO KNOWING THAT AND HOW MUCH STUDENTS ARE MAJOR? YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? FIRE STATION 11 WAS THE OTHER OUR REALISTIC IS, I MEAN THEY'RE KIND OF, IT'S 250 OR 2 35, RIGHT? WAS WHAT THEY WERE THINKING FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES.
WHAT IT, SO, SO WE HAVE 2 20, 200 20 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES.
SO CRITICAL FACILITIES IS TWO 20.
SO I MEAN, WITH THAT SCENARIO, IF WE DID WHAT, SO, SO LET'S START BREAKING IT DOWN THEN ON
DO YOU THINK IT'S HELPFUL? I SHOULD ASK, DID YOU SAY, OKAY, HOW MUCH SHOULD WE DO FOR D F R? HOW MUCH SHOULD WE DO FOR D P D? HOW MUCH SHOULD WE DO FOR LIBRARIES? HOW MUCH I, I MEAN THERE, THERE IS NO SCENARIOS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE OF THE TWO ONE.
BECAUSE, OKAY, SO LET'S, YEAH, SO LET'S, SO WE'LL CHANGE MY RECOGNITION AT MAINTENANCE.
SO THE HIGH WOULD BE, OKAY, WELL LET'S GO TO D.
SO D F R WAS 25 PLUS FIVE, SO LIKE THAT WAS 30 TO GET TO TWO 40, BUT NOW WE'RE AT TWO 20.
BUT, BUT, BUT THIS, THAT'S ONLY THAT, THAT WAS FOR 1.1.
THAT OR THAT WAS JUST FOR 1 BILLION.
SO, SO WE COULD UP, WE COULD SAY 1 2 30 ON THE HIGH SCENARIO, ON THE HIGH SCENARIO, 10% UP.
SO IT TAKES THE BILLION TO 1.124.
NO, BUT THEY'VE AGREED TO 1.1.
IS THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.
AND AT, AT ONE WE REPRESENTED 24% OF THE ALLOCATED FUNDS.
SO 1.1 WE WOULD
SO IT WOULD TAKE OUR TWO 20 TO 2 2 42 2 42.
CAN I, CAN I ASK THIS QUESTION AS THE, THE MINIMUM, I MEAN THE MIDDLE RUSH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
ARE WE LITERALLY JUST HANDING IN THIS CHART WITH LIKE A RECOMMENDED HIGH AND LOW AND THEN WE TELL THE OFFICE
OR WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY SAY, THAT'S WHY THIS, I WAS LIKE SPECIFICALLY SAY WE NEED THIS FIRE STATION.
THIS FIRE STATION AND ALL THIS MAINTENANCE.
THEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE SHOULD DIVIDE IT UP.
SO AT 2 42 IS YOU THINK THAT'S THE HIGH OR THAT'S WELL, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT OTHER COMMITTEES ARE DOING.
THEY'RE SHOOTING THEIR HIGH A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THEY'RE GETTING.
I MEAN WE, WE UNDERSTAND IT TO BE WAY LOWER THAN TWO 40.
UM, LIKE EVEN UNDER A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED WHAT? FOR US FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES, OUR LITTLE BIRDIES.
SO I JUST WANNA BE LIKE, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, LET'S KEEP IT ON THE LOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE HIGH SCENARIO OUT THERE.
BUT YOU'LL HAVE REALISTIC MIDDLE AND THIRD ONE.
YEAH, I, I WAS THINKING THAT WE COULD JUST DO ONE THAT'S 241 THAT IS HALF.
AND WHAT THAT ONCE THAT'S A THIRD AND
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THE THIRD OF THE BUDGET IS 80 MILLION.YEAH, WE HEARD IT'S GONNA BE AROUND THAT.
SO IT'S LIKE THIRD HALF AND ACTUAL I HADN'T HEARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.
I'M JUST SAYING LET'S HOLD FOR THE LOWER NU THE TWO 40 MINUTES.
YEAH, THAT POINT EVERYTHING TIME.
WE'VE GOTTA PRESERVE THE ASSETS.
THAT'S THE WHOLE, THEY CAN'T YEAH.
AS, AS FORMER COUNCILMAN, YOU CAN ADD, I THINK THAT IT, THE SCENARIO THAT I SAID FOR FIRE IS A POSSIBILITY.
I MEAN FOR THAT, FOR, FOR FIRE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, BUT BUT FOR FIRE IT WOULD BE 50 MILLION, 80.
THAT WOULD BE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU AND I SAY THAT, THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE IT COULD HAPPEN.
I MEAN THEY COULD DECIDE WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO PUBLIC SAFETY.
WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY ANYTHING ELSE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA, OR I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THOUGH.
YEAH, WE DO A HIGH BY 300 MILLION AND THEN THEY CUT SOME OF THE OTHERS.
BUT YOU STILL PUT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA DIVIDE THE 80 MILLION EVEN LATER.
THEY MIGHT FULLY FIND FIRE AND CUT SOMETHING OUT.
I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THE POLICE TRADE.
SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S LIBRARIES TOO SOON.
CAN WE, OKAY, LET, SO LET'S JUST GO WITH 2 42 THEN AND THEN.
YOU THINK IT'S TOO HIGH? I THINK WE, I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MID RANGE, THAT'LL BE LOOKING AT TWO 20 AND, AND A BEST CASE SCENARIO TWO 20.
SO NOT AS THAT 2 42 IS A HIGH, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
YOU 42 IS A HIGH 2 42 IS A HIGH.
AND THEN, AND THEN YEAR TWO, 20 HALF, THIS LIKE 1 21 THIRD IS 80.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PROMOTE THEM.
I KNOW WE SHOULD PRESENTED, WE FIGHT FOR MORE MONEY.
SO WE DEFINITELY WANNA FIGHT FOR, SO NOW LET'S START, LET'S DIVIDE UP OF THAT, OF THE WHAT PERCENTAGE.
WE CAN JUST DO A PERCENTAGE YOU THINK SHOULD BE D F R.
WE'LL DO PERCENTAGES AND THEN WE'LL CALCULATE 90.
I WOULD CUT DIFFERENT THINGS AT A HIGHER RATE.
I MEAN IF YOU'RE GONNA CUT THAT, YOU, YOU'RE, IT'S A BIG CUT.
YOU GOT, YOU'RE DOING TWO LIBRARIES AT THE LOW, AT THE MIDDLE END, YOU'RE DOING ONE LIBRARY THAT'S $14 MILLION.
SO, UH, THEIR AND THEIR MAJOR MAINTENANCE DOESN'T ADD UP TO MUCH.
AND SO THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST ASKING AND THE FACILITY ISN'T COVERED BY THEIR, THEIR MAJOR MAINTENANCE WAS NINE.
AND, AND, AND THEY, YEAH, IT'S, SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT LIBRARY WOULD EVERYBODY, IF SOMEONE TION, WHAT WOULD THEY PRIORITIZE AS THE HIGHEST LIBRARY NEED? WELL, IF YOU GO BASED OFF OF THE LIST.
UM, THE REPLACEMENT, THIS A SCORE OR THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS PRESTON ROYAL, THEN BISHOP ARTS.
UH, SO BASED ON THE TOTAL SCORE IS PARK FOREST IS THE HIGHEST, THE HIGHEST, FOLLOWED BY PRESTON.
PRESTON ROYAL, BASED ON THE TOTAL SCORE.
AND WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES SCORES THREE.
AND FOR NORTH CLIFF LIBRARY, ARE WE SAYING? WELL, I MEAN I WOULD PRIOR, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S IN THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENTED, BUT PRESTON ROYAL HAS MONEY SET ASIDE FROM THE SALE.
IT'S NOT PRESTON ROYAL IS IS ALSO A LOT LESS TO DO BECAUSE YEAH.
SO BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY SITTING ASIDE.
I WOULD PRIORITIZE THAT AND THE MAINTENANCE.
SO YOU GET WHAT, 14 AND EIGHT IS 22 MID RANGE FOR THE LIBRARY.
AND IF YOU CAN DO MORE, THEN YOU ADD A SECOND LIBRARY, BUT THEN YOU ADD VISUAL PARTS TO IT OR YOU ADD PARK FOREST.
SO IT'S UH, IT, IT'S AN EASY, IT, IT JUMPS EXPONENTIAL.
'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ALL MAINTENANCE.
IF IT'S ALL MAINTENANCE, YOU JUST TAKE YOUR NUMBER DOWN AND YOU ONLY GET X MAINTENANCE.
YOU LIKE, IT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY MAINTENANCE.
BUT WHEN IT'S A NEW FACILITY, YOU EITHER DO IT OR YOU DON'T DO IT.
THE SO
SOMEONE WRITING ALL OF US DOWN, ME FRAMING, TAKING NOTES.
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THE, THE 22 OF THE, OF OF ITS BUDGET OF TWO 20, WOULD YOU? 20.I ARGUE, UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE THE PRIORITY AND I, I AM GONNA ADVOCATE FOR, UH, MY DISTRICT, BUT THE ONLY SOUTH OF THE RIVER, I THINK, UM, I, I WOULD WANNA SEE BISHOP BARN IS THAT, I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL AND IT INCLUDES ADDITION OF PUBLIC SPACE.
POSSIBLY THE INCLUSION OF THE O C THREE CENTER, UM, CREATES SYNERGY WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THERE'S A NEED FOR GREEN SPACE AND THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, EVEN RENTALS JUST A GOOD FIT OVERALL.
UM, I THINK BISHOP BARKS MAKES SENSE IF YOU CAN DO A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THAT PROPERTY.
I THINK IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING, AND MR. MADANO AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU CAN DO MULTI-FAMILY SECOND REPORT FLOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
YOU CAN DO AT THE CULTURAL CENTER THERE AND PUT THE LIBRARY.
BUT WITH THE SPACE YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE ONE SET OF RESTROOMS, SET OF TWO, YOU LOWER YOUR MAINTENANCE COSTS.
I, I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO A NEW LIBRARY BY ITSELF AND DO THE CULTURAL CENTER.
I THINK IT TAKES SOME MORE THOUGHT.
WHO'S THERE A PLAN FOR THAT EVEN? OR IS IT JUST LIKE ASPIRATIONAL AT THIS POINT? 'CAUSE THAT THERE ISN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, WELL THEY HAVE EXTRA LAND.
I MEAN IT'S A POTENTIAL TO 17.
I MEAN YOU HAVE, BUT IT'S JUST 1700.
I MEAN, I JUST LOOK AT LIKE WHAT ANIMAL SERVICES PRESENTED US.
THEY'RE LIKE, HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA GO IN IT.
I THINK I LOVE PARTS IN THAT WHOLE AREA, BUT THERE'S THAT AT THIS POINT IS ASPIRATIONAL, RIGHT? LIKE ARE WE FINDING SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE MORE CONCRETE OR DID THEY HAVE UM, RENDERINGS? YEAH, I THOUGHT, UH, NO, THEY, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE RENDERINGS YET, BUT THEY HAVE, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO A DESIGNER.
IT'S, I MEAN THEY, THEY CAN DO RENDERINGS WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING.
SO THEY HAVE PRETTY GOOD CONCEPTUAL IDEAS.
SO WE DID, WE DID DO AN R F Q AND R F P FOR THAT VERY TYPE OF PROJECT.
IT WAS IN THAT SHEET I GAVE YOU ALL ON SATURDAY.
SO WE DO HAVE SOME IDEAS BECAUSE WE DID HAVE TWO RESPONSES, UM, TO THAT.
BUT, UM, SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE WILLING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROJECT LIKE THAT, RIGHT? THERE WERE PEOPLE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT.
WE COULDN'T GET PRICING FROM THEM.
SO WE, THEY WERE BOTH CLASSIFIED AS UNRESPONSIVE 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T TELL US HOW MUCH OUR COST.
SO COULD YOU, INSTEAD OF THE 17 MILLION, COULD YOU SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT, WE'RE GONNA PUT EIGHT TOWARDS PRESTON ROYAL 8.7 AND 8.7 TO BISHOP ARTS AND THEN TAKE THAT 8.7 AND PUT IT, INCORPORATE IT IN THE R F P AND SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK.
THEY WOULD NEVER TELL ME HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST
SO CHAIR, I WANTED TO MAKE THE CORRECTION.
UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG LINE ITEM.
SO THE HIGHEST FOR LIBRARIES IS PRESIDENT.
AND AND WHAT DID BUSH BAR HAVE? WHAT WAS BISHOP ARTS WAS THE SECOND? UM, AT 64.
AND THAT'S FOR THE REPLACEMENT THOUGH.
'CAUSE THEY STILL HAVE THREE LINE ITEMS THAT ARE OVER.
IF YOU DON'T REPLACEMENT MAINTENANCE FOR THE CURRENT.
WE THEN BE DOING A HIGHER BASE BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD BE ELEVATING TO THE GROUP ABOVE US.
IS THE VALUE JUST NEED FOR THREE OF THESE LIBRARIES AND THEN ARTIFICIALLY NOT SAYING WE'RE JUST NOT RECOMMENDING THEM.
SHOULD THEY MAKE ACROSS, BECAUSE THEY'D BE LOOKING AT OTHER COMMITTEES AS WELL, RATHER THEM JUST CHOOSING ONE LIBRARY? I THINK, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US THOUGH, WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, I THINK WE SAY ONE LIBRARY.
IF YOU DO ONE LIBRARY, THIS IS THE ONE YOU, WE RECOMMEND TWO AND THREE.
AND THEY COULD LOOK THE SCORE.
THEY COULD SAY THE THE SCORES ARE DIFFERENT OR THE SCORES ARE THE MORE THE SAME.
I MEAN, I, I WOULD, I WOULD STILL VOTE FOR PRESTON.
BOY, IT'S THE HIGHEST SCORING.
IT'S THE HIGHEST CIRCULATION IN 2006.
ALL THREE OF THESE WERE PROMISED IN 2006 LIBRARY TO BE 35 MILLION.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ALL THREE HAVE.
SO IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE TODAY, WHAT WOULD YOU PICK? CUSTOMER.
SO YOU, YOU COULD IS IT THEY COULD SELL THE LAND.
I MEAN THAT'S THE PRESTON ROYAL SOLD
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LAND TO, THEY CHOSE NOT TO DO, BUILD A BIG LIGHT NEW LIBRARY AND THEY CHOSE THE SOLD THE LAND THAT'S GET THE DOLLARS.AND NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE LAND.
THEY'VE TAKEN IT OFF THE TAX ROLLS.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S, I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S FAULT I GUESS THAT HADN'T MADE THESE DECISIONS AT THE CITY LEVEL AT SOME POINT.
BUT I MEAN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO 2006 BACK WHEN THEY WERE DECIDING ON THE LAND.
WHAT, I MEAN, JUST TRYING TO, I I WOULD DO IT ALL IF WE COULD, BUT, OKAY, LET'S GET TO, UM, HOW WE'RE GONNA TACKLE CULTURAL ARTS.
I THINK A SIMILAR APPROACH TO WHAT I DID WITH THE OTHER ONES, LOOKING AT THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
I THINK THE D M A NEEDS A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
SO IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT NEW BILLS, UM, THEN NOT THE MEXICAN
UM, WE HAD A RATING OF 69 COMPARED TO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT, UM, THE OTHER FACILITIES PRESENTED.
SO BRUCE, SINCE YOU DUG INTO ARTS, WHERE ARE YOU ON ALL THIS? I KNEW HOW DO YOU SUCCESSFULLY ADJUST THE ARTS? THEY'RE IN YOUR DISTRICT.
WE NEED THOSE MAJOR MAINTENANCE PIECES.
STUFF THAT, THE STUFF THAT
SOME OF THEM ARE VERY CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.
WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM.
AND UH, SOME OF THEM ARE ALSO IN THAT 20 YEAR LIKE SITUATION.
THAT 40, WHATEVER, THAT $50 MILLION NUMBER HAS A LOT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR VALUE IS, BUT IT'S GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 ITEMS THAT NOT 20 YEAR BOND MONEY ITEMS. LIKE REDOING THE FLOOR AT THE MOODY.
IF THE FLOOR NEEDS TO BE REDONE AT THE MOODY FOR 10 YEARS, THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ITEM.
SO THE, THE ROOF WAS, THEY TALK ABOUT ROOF REPAIR WAS THE FLOOR PART OF IT.
YOU CAN FINANCE THAT AND YOU'LL GET A USEFUL LIFE OUT OF IT.
SO CAN WE TAKE, CAN WE TAKE THE CULTURAL LARGE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY ABOVE 50.
THE NUMBERS THAT YOU, IF YOU TAKE BENJAMIN'S NUMBERS THAT HE PRESENTED TO US, SOME OF IT PROBABLY USED TO BE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, UM, 10 YEAR, I MEAN 20 YEAR ITEMS AND THEN YOU, UM, AND THEN YOU, BECAUSE YOUR NUMBERS WERE HIGHER, YOU MIGHT GET BACK DOWN TO 50.
SO DO WE LEAVE 50 AS FULL TO LARGE THE MIDDLE, THE TWO TOWARDS THE TWO 20? LIKE THAT? LIKE THERE'S A 1.8 MILLION THAT I HAD IN MY NOTES FOR MOODY.
AND THEN THERE'S A 2.4 MILLION IN THIS CHART.
IS THE 2.4 LIKE THAT, CORRECT.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF I, BENJAMIN ESPINO S AND CULTURE IS WHAT COST ESCALATION AT WHEN THE BOTTOM.
THAT ALSO IS A FACILITY THAT'S LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD.
LIKE ACTUALLY THE ROOF WAS PROBABLY FINISHED BY 2000 EARLY 2011.
LET'S, LET'S DO THE TOP NUMBER THEN WE'LL DIG IN.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO DIG UP.
SO LET'S LEAVE THAT AROUND 50.
YEAH, LEAVE IT AROUND 50 BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA REALLY JUST WITH ALL THESE BUILDINGS SEEMS IT'S A LOT FOR GONNA KNOCK OUT FOR 50.
UM, AND IT'S MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
THERE'S NOT ANYTHING NEW IN THERE.
OKAY, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
DID WE LEAVE IN OR NOT TO OR CHECK IT OUT? I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT, I DON'T THINK I, I WASN'T, WE HEAR, WE DIDN'T HEAR ALL, WE DIDN'T HEAR A PRESENTATION ABOUT, WE HAD A SPEAKER ABOUT IT.
IT'S NOT THE 50 MILLION THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING WAS FROM MAINTENANCE DID NOT INCLUDE THE, THE MUSEUM.
BUT THIS WAS ALL MAINTENANCE, CORRECT.
FOR CLARIFICATION THE OFFICER.
SO THE OFFICER THAT WOULD BE ME ONLY SUBMITTED TO THE BOND OFFICE UNDER THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE CATEGORY.
SO YOU DID NOT SUBMIT ON, YOU DID NOT SUBMIT ANYTHING FOR YOU TO REPLACE IN A RE RENOVATION CONSTRUCTION.
SO FOR THE MEXICAN AMERICAN, NOTHING WAS SUBMITTED FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
IT WAS ONLY FOR, UH, A NEW BILL.
THE OFFICE ARTS AND CULTURE AS STAFF, WE HAVE NOT SUBMITTED, WE'RE ONLY DOING MAINTENANCE WEED.
THE MEXICAN AMERICAN MEANS $24 MILLION NUMBER.
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IT'S JUST AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S COME TO THE CITY AND WANTS TO SO THEY SUBMITTED IT DIRECTLY.BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY HAVEN'T RAISED ANY MONEY.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T WITHIN.
SO I WAS JUST GOING BASED OFF OF LIKE WHAT YEAH, IT DID, IT DID HAVE A HIGH, HOW DID IT GET A HIGH SCORE? I'M CURIOUS ON THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE, I MEAN IT'S BASED ON THE LOCATION.
SO IT'S GONNA BE BY FAIR PARK AND THEN IT'S LIKE YEAH, BUT, BUT MOST OF, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A CORPORATION ON LIKE NEED AND LIKE MAINTENANCE AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE NEED TO IT 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST 55 OR A TECHNICAL SCORE.
I COULD SEE WHERE WE GET AN EQUITY SCORE OF 10.
BUT HOW DID IT GET TO 55? SO ACCORDING TO THE, THE GROUP THAT IT'S SUPPORTING, THE MEXICAN AMERICAN, THEY DO HAVE LEVERAGE FUNDS.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A A AN AMOUNT.
SO THE TECHNICAL SCORE, IS THAT RAISED BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY HAVE LEVERAGE? THAT IS CORRECT.
HOW MANY POINTS DO THEY GET FOR LEVERAGE? I THINK IT IS, I THINK IT'S 15 POINTS.
AND, AND YOU SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.
WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, QUANTIFY OR QUALIFY THIS SCORE? UH, TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE MONEY? I MEAN, MIGHT TO SAY THEY HAVE MONEY TO GET THE SCORE.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT UH, WE ARE WAITING ON TO HAVE A, A, UM, COMPANY TO SEE THE FROM
WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD? IS THERE AN APPETITE AT COUNCIL LEVEL AT ALL? HAS ANYBODY HEARD? I, I DID.
UM, LAST WEEK, UM, MY COUNCIL PERSON SAID SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
I KNOW IT'S, IT'S SUPPORTING THE, OKAY.
WELL I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T IN THIS 50 MILLION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT OKAY.
TO BE CLEAR, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF EVERY SINGLE THING.
BUT WHEN THE PROPOSAL IS GIVE US YOUR MONEY, WE'LL DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
THAT'S WHERE IT SORT OF FALLS OFF BECAUSE IT'S ON THE LARGER SPREAD.
LET'S TALK ABOUT CITY, WHAT WE DO WITH CITY HALL.
ERIC HAS GOTTA THE GENERATORS AND THE GENERATORS, THEY GOTTA PLACE THOSE THINGS.
MY, I THINK YOU GOTTA DO THE CITY HALL PROJECTS.
I THINK WE NEED TO ASK THEM TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE TO PUT THE GENERATORS IN THE BUILDING.
I MEAN THE EXHAUST AND THE DIESEL, I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE MOVED OUTSIDE.
I THINK THE CHILLERS SHOULD BE MOVED OUTSIDE BECAUSE REMEMBER HE SAID HE'D HAVE A FOUR BY FOUR CUTOUT IN THE ROOF.
ALL THE PIECES OF THAT CHILLER.
THAT CHILLER HAS TO BE DISASSEMBLED AND PUT THROUGH A FOUR BY FOUR BOX AND THEN MOVED IN.
AND THE OLD ONE'S MOVED OUT THE SAME WAY.
THEY SHOULD BUILD A, A UTILITY STRUCTURE IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
PUT THE GENERATORS IN THERE, PUT THE CHILLERS IN THERE.
THEY'LL BE MUCH LESS COST EFFECTIVE NOW AND THE NEXT TIME THEY HAVE TO REPLACE EVEN HAVE TO REDO THE PIPES.
HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE PIPE IN THE, THEY WOULD FACILITIES MONEY, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE CITY FACILITIES.
I WANNA SAY IT'S NOT DIFFICULT.
BUT ALL THE CITY MODELS, NOT ONE'S TOTAL UP TO 31 MILLION.
'CAUSE THE, THE WATER, THE WATER ONE WAS 35.
YEAH, BECAUSE THE WATER WAS NOT, THE WATER WAS 35 MILLION ON ITS OWN.
I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY COULD TACKLE THAT.
WE HAVE JOHN JOHNSON'S DIRECTOR OF SERVICES, JOHN, THERE'S $61 MILLION WORTH OF ITEMS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.
AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE ESCALATION THAT WAS ADDED ON BY BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.
WE ARE CURRENTLY REPLACING THE PIPES BUT ONLY FOR THE STEAM SYSTEM, WHICH WE'RE CONVERTING TO HOT WATER.
SO WE'LL BE DOING THE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING AND CHILLER PORTION BEFORE 2030 BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY LAW.
THE GENERATORS ARE CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY ALREADY.
WHEN YOU EXIT THE GARAGE FROM THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS A GRATE AND THEY'RE IN THERE.
ONE HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO.
AND THE OTHERS ARE CONSTANTLY FAILING, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, WE CANNOT FIND PARTS.
AND WE'VE HAD TO FRANKENSTEIN WHAT WE CALL FRANKENSTEIN.
ONE OF THEM ARE READY TO ROB PARTS FOR IT TO KEEP THE OTHERS FUNCTIONING.
THEY WERE INSIDE THE BUILDING THOUGH.
WELL, BUT YOU ACCESS IT FROM THERE.
BUT THE ACTUAL GRATES THERE ON THE OUTSIDE, THERE'RE THE GRATE.
WHEN YOU LEAVE THE PARKING GARAGE FROM THIS SIDE THAT GOES OUT AND YOU CURVE AROUND, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT UNDERGROUND.
THEY ARE SEPARATE FROM THE BUILDING ACCESS TO THE PARKING GARAGE.
HOW DO YOU GET A MINUTE OUT OF THERE? THE GRATES LIFT OFF AND THEY GO IN THROUGH A CRANES.
THE SAME WITH THE, THE BOILERS THAT WE HAD, THE OLD ONES THAT WERE UH, FOR THE STEAM SYSTEM, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO BLOWTORCH THEM INTO QUARTERS AND THEN TAKE THEM OUT FROM A CRANE THROUGH THE ROOF.
THE NEW ONES THAT ARE COMING IN WERE SMALL AND ENERGY EFFICIENT AND THEY COULD FIT UP THE FREIGHT ELEVATOR.
SO WE HOPE THAT WE WILL HAVE THE SAME SUCCESS OR IT NOT BE QUITE AS, UH, COMPLICATED WHEN WE REPLACED THE CHILLER AND THE AIR CONDITIONING PORTION.
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THAT'S REQUIRED BY LAW.BY 2030 YOU CAN PUT THE CHILLERS IN AN EL IN A FREIGHT ELEVATOR.
NO, WE CAN MOVE THEM THROUGH THE, WHAT WE CALL THE SUNROOFS, BUT THE, WE WON'T HAVE TO BLOW TORCH THE OLD ONES OUT MOST LIKELY.
SO WHAT'S, SO WHAT, HOW MUCH DO WE
IT'S $61 MILLION PRIOR TO THE ESCALATION JUST FOR PROJECTS THAT INCLUDES 36 MILLION WATERPROOF.
AND SO YOU DON'T DO THE WATERPROOFING AND YOU DO THE JUST THE CHILLERS AND THE AIR CONDITIONING.
WHAT WE DO AFTER THE ELECTRIC PANEL, THE ELECTRIC PANELS.
SO THE ELECTRIC PANELS, THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL THERE.
I THINK THERE'S OVER 220 IN THIS FACILITY.
THE GENERATORS WERE 6 MILLION PRIOR TO ESCALATION, THE WATER INFILTRATION WAS 36.
AND WHAT WERE THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU INQUIRED? GENERATORS.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ALSO PRIOR TO HIM ADDING THE ESCALATION AND THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT COSTS ON.
SO IF YOU TAKE YOUR NUMBER, YOU BACK OUT THE WATER ISSUE.
WHAT'S YOUR NUMBER? 6 MILLION FOR THE GENERATORS.
SO I MEAN IT'S OF YOUR 61 MILLION, THAT'S WATER GENERATOR, CHILLER, AND PANELS.
IT'S THE UPGRADING OF THE FEDERAL PACIFIC PANELS.
IT'S A ROOF REPLACEMENT AND IT'S THE RETROFITS FOR THE 2030 REGULATION FOR AIR CONDITIONING.
SO THAT'S THE CHILLERS? THAT'S THE CHILLERS, YES, SIR.
SO IF WE TAKE OUT THE WATER OUTTA YOUR NUMBER, WHAT'S THE NUMBER? THE WATER INFILTRATION.
WELL, LET ME ADD, I'LL ADD THESE UP SEPARATELY.
AND, AND IS YOUR NUMBER, DO YOU WANNA INCLUDE BUILDING AUTOMATION FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM AS WELL? WELL, IF YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE THE CHILLER, YOU NEED TO HAVE IT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY.
SO I'M ASKING YOU THOUGH, YOU GUYS GET, MAKE THE DECISION.
SO WE SUBMITTED THIS LIST AS WHAT WE FUND.
IF WE WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY, I HAVE A CALCULATOR.
I WANT SOMEONE TO, IF YOU TELL ME THE 61 MILLION, WHAT'S THE WATER INFILTRATION NUMBER? AND I CAN DO MY OLD FASHIONED MATH RIGHT HERE.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE, BANGING THIS STUFF UP AS WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS, WHY ARE WE JUST SITTING HERE GUESSING NUMBERS? DOES THIS 47 MILLION IN THE SPREADSHEET, IS THAT THE WATER FILTRATION NUMBER STILL? OR HAS THAT BEEN ESCALATED? OKAY.
I COULD GO THROUGH THE LIST IF WE COULD.
UM, I, I HAD, I'M SORRY I MISSED, BUT WE'RE ESCALATING OVER SO THE MON ARE BEING ESCALATED OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? NO, IT, THE NEW NUMBERS THAT, THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PRESENTED IN THE PRESENTATIONS, THE PACKET PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HEARD, THESE NUMBERS MM-HMM.
THE SPREADSHEETS THAT WERE SENT TO US, UM, ON OVER THE WEEKEND OR ON FRIDAY.
THOSE HAVE ALL BEEN ESCALATED FROM THE PRESENTATION.
SO THERE, THERE ARE THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
SO WHAT I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS THEY'RE ESCALATING THE NUMBERS OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME? FROM FROM WHEN TO MIDDLE OF THE BOTTOM.
SO MIDDLE OF THE BOND, WHICH IS 20 20 20.
AND WHAT, WHAT IN WHAT INDEX ARE, ARE WE 5% ANNUALLY? I'M SORRY, FIVE 5%.
5% IN ADMINISTRATION PER ANNUAL.
AND THEN THEY PUT IT ADMINISTRATIVE COST, BUT, BUT THE BOND OFFICE.
UM, OKAY, SO JOHN, $25.7 MILLION IS EVERY CITY HALL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WATER INFILTRATION, IS THAT THE, IS THAT NUMBER BEEN? NO, THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDED UP TO HIS ESCALATION ESCALATED.
BECAUSE WE'RE, IS EVERYBODY TURNING IN ESCALATED NUMBERS OR ARE THEY TURNING IN BEFORE THAT'S ESCALATED NUMBERS.
OTHER COMMITTEES BEFORE THE ESCALATED NUMBERS TURN, IT'S 33 MILLION.
NOW WHAT, WHAT ARE OTHER COMMITTEES TURNING IN ESCALATED NUMBERS OR NOT ESCALATED NUMBERS? NO, THEY TURN IN WITHOUT THE ESCALATION.
A RECOMMENDATION CAN BE WITHOUT IT.
RECOMMENDATIONS CAN BE WITHOUT IT? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
THEY HAVE TO BE WITH THE, UH, BOND DOLLAR BED.
SO CITY, THAT'S ABOUT THE CITY HALL OF WATER INFILTRATION.
HOW, HOW LONG HAS THE WATER INFILTRATION PROBLEM BEEN? IT'S BEEN SINCE IT'S BEEN BUILT, CORRECT? IT'S BEEN ON EVERY BOND PROGRAM? NO, NO, SINCE IT'S BEEN BUILT.
BUT IT'S BEEN ON THE LAST THREE BOND PROGRAMS. BUT IT'S BEEN DEFERRED.
SO I THINK IT'S MORE OF A CONVERSATION OF LONG-TERM PLANS FOR THIS FACILITY.
IF WE'RE GOING TO STAY HERE, IT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO CAUSE ACTUAL FOUNDATION ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING.
BUT THAT'S A DECISION THAT'S MADE ABOVE ME.
HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PLAN TO LOOK AT A DIFFERENT FEATURE RATHER THAN WATER THAT'S CAUSING PROBLEMS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
WE STARTED WITH ACTUAL CEILING, UH, ALL THE PLAZA LEVEL AND AROUND THE BUILDING THAT DID
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NOT WORK.SO THEN WE HAD AN ENGINEERING COMPANY COME IN.
THEY CREATED A GUTTER SYSTEM THAT MOVED THE WATER FROM WHERE IT WAS DRIPPING IN THE GARAGE AND LOWER LEVELS OUTSIDE OR TO THE STORM SEWER THAT HAS NOW FAILED.
SO WE RECEIVED THE $36 MILLION ESTIMATE FROM A STUDY THAT WAS DONE, I BELIEVE, AROUND 2016 OR 2017.
THAT'S HOW WE GOT THE NUMBER FOR THE ESTIMATE.
AND MY, MY QUESTION IS WITH REGARD TO THE PLAZA, AND I KNOW THAT IT'S A LOVELY FEATURE, BUT IS THERE AN ALTERNATIVE TO HAVING THE WATER FEATURE THAT'S BEEN AT, THAT'S BEEN INVESTIGATED, FILLED UP? AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A DECISION THAT I GET TO MAKE.
HAS ANYBODY PROPOSED OR THOUGHT ABOUT IT? I HAVE NOT.
BUT THAT AGAIN, IS NOT A DECISION THAT I MAKE.
SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A PROPOSED FIXED LOOKED AT THAT INVOLVES ELIMINATING THE WATER FIXTURE? CORRECT.
BUT YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THE WATER FEATURE IS THAT CAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S ACTUAL RAINWATER PENETRATION.
SO WE HAVE TO TAKE ALL THE CONCRETE OFF OF THE PLAZAS OR BUST ALL THAT UP, HAUL IT OFF, TAKE IT AWAY, TAKE THE DIRT, THE SOIL, LIFT IT UP, TAKE IT AND REMOVE IT AND STORE IT SOMEWHERE.
REPLACE THE MEMBRANE AROUND THE PARKING GARAGE, THEN SEAL, BRING THE DIRT, BACKPORT THE CONCRETE.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE $35 MILLION FIX.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE 36 MILLION.
SO IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO THE WATER FEATURE, IT'S WATER INFILTRATION FROM AND THE GARAGE IS WHAT FOUNDATION WISE HOLDS UP THE BUILDING, CORRECT? I MEAN, IT'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A, I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT BECAUSE THERE WAS RECENT, THE BOND PROGRAM.
IT'S ENTIRE, THE TOP FLOORS CANTILEVER.
THE, LET'S SEE THIS DIRECTION.
ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE STREET.
METAL, METAL, METAL UNDER ALL OF IT.
SO A SPINE AND THEN IT'S CANTILEVERED OFF OF THAT RIGHT SPOT.
SO IT'S THE FOUNDATION FOR THE BUILDING DOES THE GARAGE, IT'S NOT, THE GARAGE IS JUST NOT A GARAGE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE WATER INFILTRATION IS OCCURRING.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT BUILDING, THAT'S WHY YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FOUNDATION OF THE BUILDING BUILDING FALLING OVER.
AND IT, AND IT IS THE DAMAGE TO THE METAL WITHIN THE CONCRETE.
THAT IS REALLY THE, THE ISSUE.
WELL, BUT THAT'S AGAIN, IF WE PUT INCLUDE THE 33 PLUS, I MEAN THE 20, THE 36 PLUS THE 25, I MEAN IT MIGHT OPINION THE WATER INFILTRATION IS MORE IMPORTANT IS MORE, BECOMES MORE, MORE.
BUT IN SEVEN YEARS THEY CAN'T USE AC ANYMORE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE, IT HAS TO BE CHANGED OUT BECAUSE OF THE UM, THE REON.
SO THIS, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE NO CLIMATE CONTROL IN THE BUILDING IF YOU DON'T IT.
WELL, I CAN I THROW A WRENCH IN THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION? YEAH.
IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL'S GONNA SEE AS LIKE A VULNERABLE THING THAT VOTERS ARE GONNA COME THROUGH AND SAY, YEAH, LET'S FIX UP CITY HALL AND THERE'S LIKE A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS IN THE CITY.
I JUST, I'M THINKING LIKE PEOPLE MAYBE IN MY DISTRICT ARE BE LIKE, WHAT? I MEAN I NEED FIX CITY HALL.
IF YOU KNOW MY FIRE STATION GOING TO WORK, DON'T FIX SOME OTHER, WELL, IT'LL BE IN, IT'LL BE IN CITY FACILITIES.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CITY FACILITIES.
I MEAN OTHER, THAT'S, I MEAN IT, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN IT'S NOT THAT'S SENSITIVE FOR WHAT TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
BUT I MEAN, AS ONE OF THE MAJOR CITIES IN AMERICA, WE GOTTA HAVE A WORKABLE CITY HALL.
I MEAN, SO, AND WE CAN'T
WELL THAT'S FOR THEM TO TELL US WHETHER, WHETHER IT IS DIMINISHING RETURNS.
THAT'S FOR THEM TO SAY, WELL WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS.
EVERYBODY COULD WORK REMOTE
I'M NOT GONNA BE THE DUDE THAT SAYS, HEY, WHY DON'T WE TRASH AN I PAY.
I I BUT IT'S A, I MEAN, CAN YOU AFFORD IT? CAN YOU AFFORD AN I P BUILDING? CAN WE SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE?
WELL, AND SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER TOO IS FOR THE FIXES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING, THEY MAY NOT WORK.
LET ME COME BACK AND TAKE WATER PEOPLE.
IT'S GONNA FIND WHITE BLA TO OVER TIME.
ULTIMATELY IT'D BE CHEAPER TO BUILD A PAVILION OVER THE ENTIRE CLOSET AND KEEP THE WATER OFF THE BLOCK THEN TO CONTINUE TO FIX IT.
WATER WATER'S GONNA EVENTUALLY FIND ITS WAY TO DAMAGE STREET.
WELL THIS IS ALL ABOVE OUR PAY GRADE.
LET'S GO TO, UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE D P D AND SO WE, I'M JUST LIKE TRYING TO GET A NUMBER FOR D UH, 'CAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE THIS D F R NUMBER OF 43.
I THINK WE'RE GONNA COMBINE, BUT I KNOW, I, I'M JUST GONNA FEEL HOW HIGH WE ARE OUT OF ALL OF IT.
THE BUYER, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
ARE WE GONNA HAVE A COMBINE? I'M JUST GONNA HAVE A COMBINE.
'CAUSE ONE WAS MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND I MEAN ONE WAS, I, I DON'T THINK AT THIS TIME WE HAVE THE DOLLARS TO GO TOWARDS
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THE ACADEMY FACILITY.WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT ON THAT.
SO THAT, SO WITH 47, SO WHAT, WHAT ABOUT D P D? THEY HAD THAT BROKEN UP INTO LAW, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CENTER.
AND THEN THEY HAD IT WITH THE OTHER, OTHER D P D UH, REQUEST MA, WHICH WERE MAJOR MAINTENANCE REQUESTS.
AND EXCEPT FOR ANOTHER REALLY EXPENSIVE FACILITY FOR UM, DRIVING CARS.
AND ALSO THE UM, THE ONE THAT HOLDS, UH, EVIDENCE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT PROPERTY.
BUT IT WAS OVER, I THINK IT WAS A HUNDRED MILLION, ISN'T IT? YEAH.
I GOT IT'S DARK IN THIS CORNER.
WELL, THE CENTRAL, OH, THERE, THERE'S CHIEF SHAW.
WHAT'S IN THERE? EVIDENCE? WHICH ONE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? PROPERTY.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE HOW WE GET TO PROPERTY.
MIGHT HAVE IT AT 95 MILLION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE NUMBERS.
HEY, UH, JUST WANNA LET US KNOW.
SO WE'RE STILL AT THE COST OF RIGHT NOW, 95 MILLION FOR A NEW PROPERTY REMODEL, POUND AND CRIME SCENE EVIDENCE JOINT FACILITY.
THEY MAY HAVE CHANGED NUMBER BILL.
WELL, HOW DID WE GET TO 200? DO YOU KNOW? YEAH, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS ADDING ALL THOSE FACTORS.
INFLATION, UH, PROJECT ADMINISTRATION, THE 50% FOR C, THAT'S MORE, THAT'S MORE THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO I MEAN WE, WE NEED TO, I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS EVERY DAY.
WE, WE NEED TO STOP USING THAT.
UM, THAT'S JUST A WAY TO INFLATE
THEIR TOP TWO ARE NEW, CENTRAL AND THE FIRE, I MEAN THE NEW TRAINING FACILITY, THE NEW WASN'T THE CHIEF AND THEN THE NEW CENTRAL, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT, THAT'S PART OF THE AND HOW MUCH, SAME AREA.
WHERE IS THAT? SO CHIEF, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE TOP PRIORITIES? THOSE ARE OUR TOP PRIORITIES.
AND HOW MUCH IS THE, UM, WHICH, WHAT CENTRAL? WAS IT NORTH CENTRAL OR NO, THE CENTRAL.
SO WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON THAT? SO ORIGINALLY WE HAD CENTRAL AT 66 MILLION, LESS THAN LESS THE REVISED NUMBER QUESTION.
SO SO WHAT ARE YOU GETTING FOR THAT? A WHOLE NEW, SO IT IT TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD ON ON SAME, SAME ON THE SAME LAND.
WHICH IS WHERE? AT CENTRAL AT 3 3 4 SOUTH HALL STREET IS IS THAT THE ONE AT DEBELL? YES.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE NOTHING ELSE BEING, I MEAN MOVING.
COULD THEY MOVE IT SOMEWHERE OR, I THOUGHT THE IDEA WAS TO MOVE THINGS OUT OF THERE.
THAT SORT OF YEAH, THERE'S A WHOLE BIG HELLO.
SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT SIDE TO THE CITY.
I THINK THEY ARE LOOKING TO REPURPOSE THAT AREA.
UH, WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THAT DIRECTION YET, BUT THAT PARTICULAR STATION NEEDS TO BE REBUILT.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS THE AIR HAD BEEN OUT AND IN CHIEF, UH, HERRERA'S OFFICE.
AND HE'S SITTING THERE WITH JUST A T-SHIRT ON A BUNCH OF FANS GOING AND WHICH ONE IS THIS? IT'S CENTRAL.
IT'S, IT'S WHERE WE WERE, IT'S CLOSE TO WHERE WE WERE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT IT BUILDING FOUNDATION.
YOU GO INTO OUR VEHICLE UNIT, THE WALLS ARE SEPARATED.
UM, I MEAN I WOULD PUT IT TO, I WOULD, I MEAN THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS ARE SO BIG.
ALL OF 'EM, I WOULD FIGURE OUT A MAINTENANCE NUMBER THAT WE COULD PUT TOWARDS D P D AND FIGURE OUT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY OF MAINTENANCE.
SO, UH, ON OUR MAINTENANCE, OUR, OUR TOP ONE IS GONNA BE NORTHEAST.
UM, THEY'RE WANTING TO DO SOME UPDATES THERE.
BUT DON'T FORGET THE NEW ACADEMY IS ALSO THE DRIVING TRACK.
UH, PART OF THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT FOR THE ACADEMY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVING COMPONENT.
AND SO THAT WILL HAVE TO COME WITH IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN BILL 32 MILLION ALSO.
BUT, BUT THEY COULD KEEP THE, THEY GO AHEAD.
WHY COULDN'T YOU KEEP THE CURRENT DRIVING FACILITY? 'CAUSE IT, THE LOCATION THAT IT'S ON IS IN THE, ON THE LEASED AREA.
SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE MOVED FROM UH, 53 10, UH, REDBIRD, WE COULD POTENTIALLY NEGOTIATE A LEASE BANK, JUST LEASE THAT PORTION UNTIL WE CAN BUILD ANOTHER ONE.
I THINK YOU HAVE TO START WITH
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SO MEAN WE COULD PUSH THAT TO DONORS AS WE'RE PITCHING THE FACILITIES TOO.DOING BUT YOU, THEY'VE ISOLATED A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR IT.
SO WE HAVE SOME LAND, UM, THAT WE KNOW OF OVER ABOUT 45 AND 20.
UM, IT WAS LAND THAT'S KIND OF BEEN DESIGNATED OR HELD FOR NOW THE BULLET TRAIN.
UM, IF THAT DOES WERE TO EVER COME THROUGH, THIS WOULD ONLY BE ONLY IDEAL FOR, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE DRIVING TRACK OUT THERE.
SO WE DO HAVE LAND IDENTIFIED.
UM, 'CAUSE ORIGINALLY THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE LAND FOR THE TRAINING ACADEMY AND WE HAD TO STOP THAT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE IDEAL FOR THAT.
AND THEN, AND THEN THE PARTNERSHIP WITH U N T AND CORRECT.
EVERY CERTAIN, THROW SOME NUMBERS OUT.
WHAT DOES D P D GET THE ACADEMY? THEY DID HAVE THEM BROKEN UP WITH ACADEMY AND REST.
I WONDER IF THAT MAKES SENSE TO PUT MONEY FOR THE ACADEMY.
AND THEN WHAT ELSE? THE ACADEMY AND THEN ANYTHING ELSE? SO WE LEAVE THE ACADEMY IN THERE.
AND THEN DO WE DO ANY OTHER DOLLARS OR DID YOU SAY THAT'S THE ONLY D P P 59 FOR? YEAH, JUST, JUST THAT.
I GUESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS ON THAT, I THINK WE COULD RAISE MORE THAN NO, THIS, THIS IS, THIS WOULD POTENTIALLY A SCENARIO COULD BE BECAUSE I'M INVOLVED IN THE, THE PRIVATE FUNDRAISING TRYING TO HAPPEN RELATED TO THE ACADEMY.
SO AS IT GOT, AS WE'RE, IF THIS, THIS FUNDRAISING IS, YOU KNOW, IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE A 50 50 PARTNERSHIP, SO WE GET 20 FROM THE STATE, THIS WOULD BE 57.
SO, BUT IF PRIVATE DONORS CAME IN AT A LARGER AMOUNT, THAT 50 COULD BE REDUCED, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY COULD ALLOCATE THOSE DOLLARS BEFORE.
IF THEY'RE CALLING FOR THE ELECTION OF THE BOND, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL FEBRUARY.
SO THE COUNCIL COULD SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA REDUCE, WE COULD PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BOND PROGRAM, OR WE COULD PUT IT IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND ANOTHER PUBLIC SAFETY NEED.
BUT I WOULD HOLD, I MEAN, I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR 50.
'CAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING FROM DONORS IS THIS IS A NEED FOR THE CITY AND IT'S, AND IT'S, UH, SAFETY AND IT'S GOING TO, UH, BUT WHY, WHY, WHY IS IT YOU CAN'T EXPECT PRIVATE DONORS TO COME UP WITH ALL OF IT? TYPICALLY.
TYPICALLY FORT WORTH DIDN'T ASK, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A, THEY HAD AN EXTRA 1 CENT TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIRS BECAUSE OF THEIR, UM, DART.
THEY DON'T ALLOCATE IT ALL TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION, BUT, SO THEY HAD ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE.
BUT IF WE GET MORE SUCCESS AND SOMEONE FINDS OUT WE HAVE NEED THIS DRIVING RANGE AND ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING WITH FOUNDATIONS AND WITH INDIVIDUALS, I REMEMBER THE 13.
I MEAN, HAVING DID THAT TOUR WAS REALLY, I NEEDED IT.
AND, AND WE'RE IN AN OPPORTUNE TIME RIGHT NOW WITH A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE U N T AND PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP AND HAVING IT ON THEIR CAMPUS.
UM, AND THEN THE, THE CHIEF SHOCK AND TALK ABOUT WHERE CUR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CURRICULUM, THE BEGINNING HOURS.
I THINK WE'RE JUST SAYING YOU, YOU'RE, WHAT I'M HEARING IS NOTHING ELSE TO PLACE FACILITIES, WHICH MEANS I THINK SO 15 AND IS WHAT ELSE? I BREAK 'EM UP AT SEPARATE LINE ITEMS. SO JUST BE FOR THE ACADEMY.
SO, SO DO THE HIGHEST PRIORITY MAJOR MAINTENANCE AT FIVE I PRIORITY MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
EVERYBODY AT 5 MILLION, UH, 5.8 MILLION PLUS.
THAT'LL COVER SOME, SOME EXTRA COST.
BUT JUST WANTED, MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME SPACE FOR DOS.
NO, FOR WHAT? DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES.
THERE'S NOTHING IN CITIES FACILITIES.
IF WE'RE FOCUSING ON CITY HALL INSTEAD OF THAT, DOES THAT FALL UNDER CITY FACILITIES? THE DOSS? YEAH, THAT IS CORRECT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE SOME SPACE TO HELP 'EM OUT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT, WE DON'T GET THAT.
OH NO, I'M JUST PUTTING IT LIKE A SPACE.
WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN PLACE OF HOMELESS ASSISTANT FACILITIES.
WE'RE PUTTING DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES WHERE THAT 20 MILLION IS.
WELL, I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT WE'RE JUST SAYING, WE'RE JUST SAYING.
I'M GONNA ADD THIS UP IF WE, WHERE WE'RE AT.
'CAUSE ARE WE PRINTING A SIX? YOU WANNA READ THE NUMBERS OFF? I, I, OKAY, SO WE, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT 47 FOR D F R 56.5 FOR D P D, UM, YOU KNOW, LIBRARIES OR EITHER 22 OR 22 PLUS UH, SEVEN, UM, 29.
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LEMME SAID THE ARTS 50 CULTURAL ARTS.WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T BROKEN IT ALL OUT.
THAT'S THE ONLY CITY THAT'S 33.
AND THEN IT, WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR IT YET.
YOU NEED, WE GOTTA HAVE, YEAH, THEY NEED SOME HELP.
WE'RE ALREADY AT 2 25 OR MY, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER SO FAR? 2 25.
UH, REM CAN YOU HELP ME OUT REAL QUICK? UM, AND I GUESS I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.
SO THE NUMBER THAT WAS BEING THROWN AROUND EARLIER WAS 180 AND IT'S TOTAL ASK WAS ONE 30.
WELL THAT'S NOT, THEY, THEY INFLATED ALL THE ASK.
C CAP AND ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND INFLATION.
SO YOUR'RE NOT, YOUR NUMBERS GOT INFLATED TO THAT.
JUST LIKE ALL THE DEPARTMENT'S NUMBERS GOT INFLATED.
SO WE'RE USING UNDERSTOOD AND FINDING NUMBERS.
SO ON THE, ON THE DATA CENTER, THAT'S NOT AN ALL OR NOTHING DEAL, IS IT? WHAT THE 39 39? SO THE DATA SENTENCE, I MEAN WE HAVE, LEMME FIND A SPREADSHEET REAL QUICK THAT WE'RE, WE'RE REFERRING TO ON THAT ONE.
SO THE BELLEVUE DATA CENTER, THAT, THAT FACILITY COMES INTO THE CITY'S POSSESSION, UH, OCTOBER 1ST OF NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THEY'RE GETTING THE FACILITY THEY'VE ALREADY AGREED ON.
BUT YOU WANT, THEY WANT WHAT, 30 SOMETHING MILLION DOLLARS 39 IS WHY, WHAT THE INFLATED COST IS.
SO 39 AND IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S NOT AN ALL OR NOTHING NUMBER.
IF YOU GOT 28 MILLION, COULD YOU JUST DO NOTHING? 'CAUSE IS YOU'RE GONNA GET SOMETHING LESS THAN 39.
THE QUESTION FOR YOU IS WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH A LESSER NUMBER? BECAUSE IF IT'S 39 OR ZERO, YOU MAY GET ZERO.
SO, UH, SO THE $39 MILLION FOR THE DATA CENTER IS GOING TO BE TO, TO UPDATE A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE, I MEAN, ANY DOLLARS WILL GO, THE REQUEST IS GONNA COME IN BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING POSSESSION OF THE BUILDING.
OUR DATA CENTERS BARELY A TIER ONE IF THAT, THAT IS A TIER THREE PLUS OPERATING DATA CENTER.
SO TO BRING IT OVER AND BRING IT ONTO THE REGULAR CITIES SYSTEMS TO RUN, PUT UP OUR, OUR CONNECTIVITY, OUR NETWORK CONNECTIVITY, PUT IN BADGING SYSTEMS TO UPDATE ANYTHING THAT MAY BE DELINQUENT AS FAR AS ELEVATORS, GENERATORS, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE MONEY GO AS FAR AS WE CAN AND THEN END UP PUTTING REQUESTS INTO, INTO BUDGETS AND INTO THE BOND.
WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT FULLY OPERATIONAL WHEN WE TAKE OVER TO MAKE SURE WE'RE STABLE.
BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THAT WITHOUT, UH, LET'S PUT 30 AS A NUMBER AND THEN WE'LL PUT 30.
UM, POTENTIALLY, BUT HE DOES, BUT DOES HE HAVE THOSE LINE ITEMS THOUGH? IF HE, IF HE'S THE, THE FOUR THINGS THAT HE JUST MENTIONED.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA PUT A 30 TOWARDS THE DATA CENTER.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.
I KNOW, BUT SO THAT WOULD BE, SO WE'RE AT 2 50, 2 55.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE NOW OUR HIGH NUMBER.
YEAH, BUT, AND WE DON'T HAVE A SIZE.
I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR A NEW FACILITIES OVER A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.
SO I DON'T, WE CAN'T, YEAH, I DON'T, THERE'S, THERE'S NO, IT'S JUST YOU GET TWO 50.
AND SO NOW WE NEED TO WORK, IT'S 2 58 AND TWO.
IF YOU, YOU SAID 30 OR 33? I SAID 30.
'CAUSE SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE, WE DIDN'T CALL EXACTLY WHAT THE MAINTENANCE IS.
WE'LL HAVE TO GO BY WHAT WE ARE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY.
AND IT DOESN'T BREAK OUT CULTURAL ARTS.
SO WE NEED TO WORK, WE NEED TO MASSAGE THAT NUMBER.
SO I'M THINKING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE STAFF WORK ON THIS.
WHAT, WHAT 2 55? IS THAT RIGHT? 2 55 5 LOOKS LIKE WHAT WE'VE KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY TALKED ABOUT AND, AND SEE IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IN WRITING IT ALL DOWN.
FIVE AND 39 FOR LIBRARY IS 56 5.
WHAT NUMBER DID YOU PUT FOR LIBRARIES? THREE NINE.
SO WE GO OUT AND WE TAKE OUT ONE LIBRARY.
YOU TAKE OUT, UM, MAJOR MAINTENANCE OF D P D.
YOU TAKE OUT ONE STATION IN D F R.
IS THAT HOW YOU GET DOWN TO THE LOWER NUMBERS? IS THAT, AND THEN, AND I WOULD SAY ON THE ELECTRICAL PANELS AT CITY HALL, THEY
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OUGHT TO REPLACE, THEY OUGHT BE REPLACING THOSE OF OPERATIONS.SO THEN TAKE 7 MILLION OUT OF THAT FOR, UM, 7 MILLION IS NOT THE ELECTRICAL.
THAT'S WHAT YOU TAKE OUT TO GET DOWN.
SO AM I, YOU WANT ME, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THE MATH TOO? THE DEDUCT 7 MILLION.
OKAY, LET'S TAKE OUT, OKAY, LET'S TAKE THAT NUMBER AND LET'S TAKE D F R.
WHAT DO WE TAKE OUT? YEAH, WHAT DO WE TAKE OUT? ONE OF THE STATION.
WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? UH, WHAT WAS ONE OR TWO GONNA SAY? IF YOU TAKE OUT ONE, ONE LIBRARY AND YOU TAKE OUT 7 MILLION FROM CITY FACILITIES, YOU'RE 2 25.
SO YOU'RE ALREADY, AND IF YOU TAKE OUT ONE STATION, YOU TAKE 47 DOWN TO 37.7 0.5 CITY FACILITIES.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SO YOU GOT, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING? WELL, I WONDER IF YOU CASE ON THE 220 YEAH.
YOU DID THAT BY TAKING AWAY THAT WAS IT, WAS IT GOING DOWN TO 22 MILLION FOR THE LIBRARY? 22? YEAH.
AND TAKING AWAY 7 MILLION FROM CITY FACILITIES.
SO YOU GET 26 MILLION IN THE CITY FACILITY AND NOW YOU HAVE, AND THEN YOU GOT RID OF THE 6.5 MILLION POLICE PAYMENTS.
AND THEN WHAT DO YOU TAKE FROM D F R? NOTHING.
WELL WE, WE TAKE ON STATION DOWN TO THIRD.
IT TAKES ONE STATION DOWN ONE STATION ONE, I, I WOULD SAY THIS, IF YOU'RE GONNA TAKE ONE STATION OFF, IT TAKES DOWN TO 30, THEN I WOULD PUT MONEY BACK IN MAINTENANCE
WE, THE MAINTENANCE, I THINK I JUST PRINCIPALLY WE'VE GOT TO KEEP, IF IT'S A MAJOR MAINTENANCE, H V A C, WE'VE GOTTA ADDRESS THAT.
WE SHOULDN'T BE TAKING MAINTENANCE.
WE SHOULD TAKE A NEW FACILITY OUT TO REDUCE THE NUMBERS, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WHEN WE GET DOWN TO THAT.
SO, SO IF YOU DO PUBLIC SAFETY AT 30 MILLION, THAT'S TAKING AWAY ONE STATION, IS THAT RIGHT? WELL THAT'S FIRE RESCUE.
UH, AND THEN POLICE, WE STILL HAVE THE ACADEMY AT, YEAH.
ACADEMY 50, POLICE FIVE FOR MAINTENANCE.
AND WHEN ITS, AND THAT GETS US TO WHAT SHE'S AROUND 14.5, SHE 14 SERVICES.
CAN YOU REPEAT THOSE FIGURES ONE MORE TIME PLEASE? YES.
30 MILLION FOR D F R 30 MILLION D F R 6.5 FOR POLICE MAINTENANCE, 6.5 POLICE MAINTENANCE PLUS THE 50 MILLION ACADEMIES.
26 MILLION FOR CITY FACILITIES.
BECAUSE WE KIND OF CUT THOSE ALREADY AGAIN.
SORRY, WHICH COUNCIL COULD SAY NO TO ALL OF THIS? YEAH.
DID WE GIVE ANOTHER SCENARIO OR DID WE JUST LEAVE IT AT I THINK IT'S THOSE TWO.
I THINK, I MEAN WE'VE ALREADY, THEY CAN ADD BACK ANYWHERE OR TAKE AWAY WHATEVER THEY COULD SAY.
SO WE NEED TO GET, WE, WE DO, WE NEED TO RANK THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND D P D.
BUT WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF ON THAT.
I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BY THE TECHNICAL SCORES.
OR DO YOU GUYS DISAGREE OR YOU, YOU WANT YEAH, I, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TECHNICAL SCORES.
I DON'T KNOW WHY A FIRE FACILITY OR POLICE FACILITY IS GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT TECHNIC.
UH, DIFFERENT, THE TECHNICAL SCORES WOULD BE THINGS.
BUT WHY ARE THEY GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT EQUITY SCORE? THAT'S ALL WITH THE, WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, THE EQUITY.
SO LOMBARDI LANE, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD OR BAD EQUITY.
SO I I, I DON'T EVERYBODY YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THEY SAID THEY SERVE I 35.
I MEAN EVERYBODY AND THEIR BROTHER DRIVES ON I 35.
SO FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT, IT'S THE WHOLE UNIVERSE OF DALLAS.
SO THE WAY THEY GET EQUITY SCORE IS PURELY BASED ON CENSUS TRACK OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED AND IF IT MET THE POVERTY SCORES.
SO, SO LO MARTY WOULD HAVE A HIGH EQUITY SCORE THEN, RIGHT? I, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, BUT I THINK TE BUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR MAINTENANCE, WE SHOULD, YOU, YOU INCORPORATE MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
THE TECHNICAL SCORE HAD THINGS LIKE HOW MANY CALLS YOU'RE ALREADY MAKING TOWARDS THAT REPAIRS YOU'RE MAKING.
THE TECHNICAL SCORE FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE WAS BASED ON, WITHOUT, NOT THE TOTAL SCORE, BUT JUST THIS WHOLE, RIGHT.
SO EACH ONE WAS IDENTIFIED INDIVIDUALLY.
SO IT WAS BASED ON PRIORITY, PRIORITY ONE, TWO OR THREE.
DOES IT IMPROVE THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY? MEANING LOWER OUR COST,
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DOES IT UH, HELP OR SUPPORT THE CITY'S SAFETY RESILIENCY OR CCAP GOALS? DO WE HAVE DESIGN PLANS SHOVEL READY? AND THEN A COMPONENT OF THE TECHNICAL SCORE EVEN FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE IS EQUITY.BUT THEY GAVE US, THEY GAVE US THE TECHNICAL SCORE.
AND THEN, UH, TECHNICAL SCORE, OVERLAPPING SCORE.
SO THE TECHNICAL SCORE, IT'S WHAT? UM, JUST WHAT JOHN JUST MENTIONED.
OH, THE TECHNICAL SCORE DOES HAVE THE UM, EQUITY.
THE TECHNICAL SCORE IS JUST A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE.
UM, AND THEN YOU ADD EQUITY AND YOU KNOW EQUITY'S THE E I A, RIGHT? CORRECT.
BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE UP TO 10 IS THAT EQUITY? YEAH.
SO JOHN, SO THEY HAVE THE TECH, THEY HAVE A TECHNICAL SCORE AND THEN THEY HAVE OVERLAPPING SCORE, THEN THEY HAVE A DART SCORE AND AN E I A SCORE.
THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL ACUTE PRIORITY IF IT IMPROVES OPERATION MAINTENANCE, DESIGN PLAN SAFETY, C CARE RESILIENCY, THAT'S THE TECHNICAL SCORE.
AND I BELIEVE THE MAXIMUM WAS 20 POINTS THAT WAS POSSIBLE FROM THERE.
THE NO, BUT THERE'S PEOPLE WITH THE OVER 50, 65 5 5.
THE TECHNICAL SCORE IS MAX WAS 80 AND THEN 20 POINTS REMAINING WERE EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT COLUMNS, WHICH TOTAL UP TO THE EQUITY 20 POINTS.
SO THE DARK SCORE THAT THEY PULLED, THE E I A, THE N B A, THE CRIME SCORE AND THEN 3 1 1 SERVICE REQUESTS.
THOSE ALL ENCOMPASS WHAT WE'RE CALLING EQUITY UP TO 20 POINTS TO GO IN ADDITION TO THE TECHNICAL SCORE FOR A TOTAL SCORE.
SO WE COULD LOOK AT MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
YOU COULD LOOK AT JUST THE TECHNICAL.
THAT'S GONNA BE A, A HARDER CORE, MAJOR MAINTENANCE OF LIKE WHAT THE CONDITION OF THE EQUIPMENT IS.
THE OTHER ONES ARE IN INCORPORATING OTHER FACTORS WHICH I LIKE.
WHAT IS M B A SCORE? WHAT IS PRESCHOOL? YES.
I MEAN LOOK AT,
WHAT IS
WHY WOULD SOMEONE HAVE, I THINK THE HIGHER THE, THE POINTS WOULD BE THE MORE PRIME OR LIKE THE SERVICE REQUESTS, THEY GET MORE CALLS FOR BREAKINS FOR, OR NOT BREAKIN, BUT LIKE TRAFFIC ISSUES, POTHOLES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
THEY GOT, THEY GET BONUS POINTS HAVE BEEN, I MEAN NONE OF THE NEW, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANY WITH DART POINTS IN THE NEW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO ON THE, UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I'M LOOKING AND THE SPREADSHEET CONTROL HAS P O D ON THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE, UH, I TRIED TO SAY IN MY LANE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S, IF IT'S RELATED TO A TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OR IT'S WITHIN A WALKING PROXIMITY OF A DART STATION SO THAT THEY GET ADDITIONAL POINTS, UH, IF WE'RE TRANSIT ISN'T THAT HIGH.
THAT LEVER THAT WE WERE JUST THE LIBRARY THAT WE THE LIBRARY DOES THAT.
ISN'T THAT, I THOUGHT THEY SAID THAT WAS WALKING DISTANCE FROM A DARK STATION, UM, PLACE FROM A STREET CAR.
WHAT WE, WE, WE SAID WE'D BE HERE TILL EIGHT.
DO WE WANNA TRY TO IRON OUT THE, THE ACTUAL NUMBERS TO, OR DO YOU WANT STAFF TO WORK ON? YOU GUYS ARE, I THINK WORKING WELL, FIGURING IT OUT.
WE, WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE SCORING.
SO WE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CLEANED UP MAINTENANCE NUMBERS WHERE THEY TAKE OUT ALL THE NON YEAH.
AND THAT'S CULTURAL ARCH, RIGHT? OR OR IT MIGHT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
COULD IT BE SOMEWHERE ELSE? YEAH.
I MEAN WE WORKS ON THE, UM, ON THE LIST AND SO THAT, UH, THE PROJECT REFLECTS THE ALLOCATIONS.
UM, BUT I, I THINK, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE ITEMS NOW.
UM, AND WE'LL HAVE A, UH, A LIST PROBABLY BEFORE THE END OF THE WEEK.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SHOOTING.
I MEAN, DO WE WANNA TRY TO GET TOGETHER? I MEAN NEXT WEEK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE THESE NUMBERS NEXT WEEK AND THEY PURCHASE, I MEAN THEY'VE DOUBLE.
SO I MEAN THE 20, THAT'S WHEN WE WANNA HAVE, WE WANNA TRY TO IRON IT OUT WHAT'S KIND OF FRESH OUR MIND AND MEET NEXT TUESDAY WE GO BACK, UH, LIKE D F R AND
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SOME OF THESE PEOPLE SAY, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GIVEN FOR LIKE D P D, SAY YOU'RE GIVEN 6.5 FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE, WHERE WOULD YOU SPEND IT? THAT'S GREAT IDEA.SEND WITH THE SAME WITH INFORMATION.
IF YOU'RE GIVEN 30 MILLION, WHERE WOULD YOU SPEND IT? CORRECT.
AND YEAH, SO IN CULTURAL ARTS, BENJAMIN, 'CAUSE YOUR NUMBERS ARE THE, THE INFLATED NUMBERS ARE MORE THAN 50.
SO, AND YOU HAVE I THINK SOME THINGS IN YOURS THAT ARE GONNA BE NOT MAJOR MAINTENANCE.
SO YOU'RE ASKING EACH DEPARTMENT TO, IF WE GIVE YOU THIS MUCH HOW PER EXPENSIVE.
AND THIS MUCH OF IS THE NUMBERS THAT WE JUST WENT YES, SIR.
CONSIDERING THAT THEY CAN INCLUDE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE THE 20 YEAR RULE.
IT'S THE 20 YEAR RULE BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE.
SO, AND WE'RE, SO WE'RE, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PRESENT TO UM, THE TASK FORCE.
ONE NUMBER IS 2 42 AND 1 255 0.5 IS THE HIGH I 40.
AND I DO THINK THERE'S AN OVERARCHING LIKE DEALING WITH THIS, THE ELEPHANT AND THE RING.
LIKE, I MEAN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO, CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THAT CALL.
THERE'S SOME BIGGER THOUGHTS THINKING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT THE LONG TERM.
I'M SORRY, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.
OR YOU WANNA CALL LOW, LOW WAS TWO 14.52.
I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS IT? TWO 14, 2,000,005.
THAT WAS THE HONDA IN THE LOBBY.
TWO 14 AND ON D FFR, WHAT STATION DID WE WHEN WE REDUCED IT, WE REDUCED IT BY STATION.
WHAT STATION? THAT WAS NOT VERY BY IDENTIFI, BUT WAIT, WE, IT HAD TO BE A NUMBER.
OH, THERE'S THREE FIRE STATIONS.
WHEN DID YOU REDUCE THE NU WHEN YOU GOT THE, THE NUMBER DOWN TO TWO 14.
WHAT DID YOU TAKE OFF? 17 MILLION OFF D F R AND THE OTHER ONES TOO? OR JUST THE D FFR? THIS IS WHAT I JUST EMAILED IT.
YOU SENT IT'S, WE ALSO TOOK OFF MONEY FROM THE CITY.
AND WE USE, SINCE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HERE, CAN YOU SEND OUT UM, A PRETTY QUICKLY THAT WE'RE GONNA MEET NEXT TUESDAY AT SIX O'CLOCK? THIS IS WORK.
SIX TO, AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE DONE BY SEVEN 30 IF NOT EIGHT.
AND I'LL GET ON, I'LL GET ON AND IT KEEPS YOU OUT, WILL YOU? YEAH, IF BRIAN ROGER'S HAVING PROBLEM WITH GETTING KICKED OFF ON REMOTELY, NOT EVEN GETTING, NO, MY PROBLEM IS NOT GETTING IN.
MOST OF THE TIME LAST WEEK IT JUST KEPT KICKING OUT.
BUT TODAY WHEN I TRIED TO GET ON, LIKE WE HAVE STAFF IN HERE JUST FINE.
SO WE NEED TO, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET IN JUST LIKE STAFF GETS CONSENT.
WHAT I'LL DO, WHAT I DID, I REFER EVERYONE THROUGH A PANEL INSTEAD OF ATTENDEE.
SO THAT'S WHAT BE EVERYONE, YOU'LL BE AN, YOU'LL BE NOT AN ATTENDEE PANELIST, SO YOU SHOULDN'T BE GETTING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
BUT, BUT ADAM AND ANOS TOLD US THIS IS ALL GONNA GET REDUCED TO 80
WHAT ARE YOU HEARING FOR GETTING PARKS? I HEARD, WELL I JUST GOT A TEXT THAT SAID FARM COMMITTEE.
WE GOT A TEXT SAYING THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP.
I GOT A TEXT SAYING THAT THERE IS ROOM, UH, FOR A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP FOR THE BISHOP ARTS LIBRARY, WHICH I THINK YOU HAD ASKED THAT QUESTION.
THAT WAS ONE OF ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GONNA SAY.
LIKE ONCE ALL THE BUDGETS ARE CLEANED UP, WHATEVER, LIKE IF THERE'S ANY BUDGET LEFT GO,
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IT COULD BE ADDED TO LIBRARIES.IS THERE IT'S CRITICAL FACILITIES.
THERE'S SOME EXCEPT FOR UNLESS I COULD GET SOME PARKS OF MONEY.
'CAUSE IT'S GOT THE PARTNERSHIP WITH PARKS.
YEAH, WE PUT THE LIVESTOCK, THE PARK, THAT'S THE GHOST.
THE GOATS COULD BE THE, I LIKE THAT STORY ABOUT THE GOATS.
WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE MEETING.
THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DOING YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU GOT HERE.