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YES,

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COMMITTEE MEMBERS

[2024 Bond Critical Facilities Subcommittee on August 22, 2023. ]

AND CHAIR.

UM, WE DO HAVE THREE SPEAKER SPEAKERS, UH, THAT WILL BE SPEAKING TODAY.

UM, OUR FIRST SPEAKER TODAY, TAKE DISTRICT ONE, IF YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEAK, SIR, YOU'VE GOT TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS DOUG TAYLOR.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY.

FRIENDS.

UH, I HAVE SERVED ON A NUMBER OF MUNICIPAL BOARDS, INCLUDING MUNICIPAL LIBRARY BOARD.

UH, MY ORGANIZATION HAS A MEMBERSHIP OF APPROXIMATELY 40, AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY REPLACEMENT BE PLACED ON THE BOND ISSUE.

THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1987.

IT HAS MANY FALSE STRUCTURALLY AND SUITABILITY FOR NEW PURPOSES, SUCH AS WIRING, NETWORKING, UH, A D A, COMPLIANCE, ET CETERA.

UH, IT HAS HAD NUMEROUS PROBLEMS WITH HEATING, COOLING, AIR CONDITIONING, PLUMBING, ET CETERA.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS WELL ON IN YEARS.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WE HAVE SOME SUPPORT FOR PLACING THIS ON THE BOND ISSUE.

THE ON THE BOND ISSUE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OUR SECOND SPEAKER FOR TODAY, IT'S, UH, CHAIR SHELBY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

HELLO EVERYONE.

JUST WANNA STEP OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

HI, I AM SHELBY .

I'M THE CHAIR OF THE, UM, DE ANIMAL SERVICES SHELTER COMMISSION.

AND IN MY DAY JOB, WHAT I DO IS I GO AROUND THE STATE AND I WORK WITH DIFFERENT SHELTERS DETERMINING WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE SO I CAN GO TO THE LEGISLATURE LAWS TO HELP NOT ONLY THE ANIMALS, BUT THE SHELTERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WORK WITH THEM.

I'VE PROBABLY GONE TO ABOUT 200 SHELTERS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND I'M HERE 1000% TO SUPPORT, UM, MONIES GOING TOWARDS A SHELTER FOR NOT ONLY OF THE VARIETY OF REASONS THAT WE HEARD LAST WEEK, LIKE THERE WERE 2000 BREWSTERS THAT D A S HAD TO TAKE CARE OF.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE WERE SEVERAL RIGHT TO FARM LAWS THAT WERE PASSED THIS YEAR BY THE LEGISLATURE.

AND THAT MEANS THAT NOW PEOPLE CAN HAVE COWS, UM, LITERALLY SHEEP, GOATS AND CHICKENS, UM, IN THEIR BACKYARDS.

SO WHAT WE ARE SEEING NOW IS THERE ARE GONNA BE A LOT OF SEIZURES AND EVEN MORE SPACE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN I GO TO THESE SHELTERS, THEY HAVE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. THEY HAVE READING PROGRAMS WITH KIDS AND FAMILIES, AND THOSE ANIMALS ARE GETTING ADOPTED.

WE HAVE NO SPACE.

LAST WEEK I WENT AND THE ENTIRE ADOPTIONS TEAM IS LITERALLY CRAMPED.

AND THE, SO IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY, HUMAN RESOURCES, IT'S ALL THE ABOVE.

AND WE SUPPORT THEM.

AND WE ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES.

SO I APOLOGIZE.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY OF YOU AT ANY TIME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR THE DAY, UH, RACHEL GEARING.

HELLO EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS RACHEL NELSON GEARING AND I'M ON THE ANIMAL ADVISORY, UH, COMMISSION FOR THE CITY.

I AM ALSO, UM, I SERVED ON THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE TASK FORCE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

I'M AN ATTORNEY AND I PRACTICE IN DALLAS.

UM, AND WE DO HAVE, THE SITUATION IN DALLAS, ANIMAL ANIMAL SERVICES IS CRITICAL.

THEY'RE AT 147% CAPACITY RIGHT NOW, WHICH MEANS MULTIPLE DOGS AND SINGLE DOG KENNELS, WHICH MEANS IT'S IN FOSTER CLEAN.

WE'RE TALKING HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES HERE.

CLEANLINESS AND DALLAS ANIMAL SERVICES IS DOING ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THEY CAN.

THEY'VE INCREASED HIRING, HIRING, THEY HAVE MORE, UM, PATROL ON THE STREETS HELPING PICK UP LOST DOGS.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOT GONNA GO AWAY UNLESS THEY HAVE ANY FACILITY.

UM, THE CITY OF DALLAS IS GROWING AND LIKE I SAW WHEN I SERVED ON THE DANGEROUS LAW ORDINANCE TASK FORCE AFTER THOSE TWO HIGH PROFILE KILLINGS WHEN INDIVIDUALS WERE KILLED BY STRAY DOGS, I REALLY WORRY WE'RE GETTING INTO A SITUATION WHERE THE FACILITY JUST DOESN'T HAVE THE CAPACITY AND WE'RE GONNA BE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT AGAIN.

AND THAT JUST REFLECTS SO POORLY ON THE CITY.

UM, AND SO AS MUCH AS IT IS ALSO AN ISSUE ABOUT JUST HUMANE TREATMENT OF ANIMALS, WHICH I'M SURE WE ALL BE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN AGREE ON, IT'S ALSO A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.

UM, SO WE STRONGLY, UM, REQUEST THAT YOU ALLOCATE BOND MONEY TOWARDS THE THOUSAND SERVICES FOR THE NEW FACILITY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT WE HAVE TODAY.

ALL THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING DOWN AND US.

UH, I WANNA GO ONTO TO ITEM ONE.

UM, AND I THINK WE'RE, ITEM ONE IS DISCUSSING FIELD TRIPS.

UM, KIND THIS IS, WE, WE DON'T, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY.

THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE ABOUT OUR WORK THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

UM, BUT THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

I KNOW WHEN I WAS WORKING THROUGH THE PRIORITIES AND RIGHT.

IT

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RAISES A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UM, THAT STILL NEED TO BE ANSWERED.

SO WE DO HAVE, I THINK SOMEBODY FROM ALL I REQUESTED TODAY, UM, THAT SOME US HERE FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ASKING FOR DOLLARS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE FROM F R .

I UNDERSTOOD.

SHE MAY BE HERE.

OKAY.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOMEONE, UH, VIRTUALLY, UH, I T S I.

YES, WE HEAR VIRTUALLY.

OKAY.

UH, WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE, UM, OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FIELD TRIPS.

WE JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE CITY DATA CENTER.

UH, WE'VE GOT 39 MILLION PLUS ON THE, ON THIS PRIORITY LIST.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT 30 MILLION ON THIS OVERVIEW OF NEEDS FOR PROPOSITION LIST.

SO WE JUST, WERE DIFFERENT.

I KNOW.

WELL, I NOTICED THAT GOING THROUGH ALL THE NUMBERS, THE, THE NEWEST LIST THAT, UM, FRAY SENT US RELATED TO, UM, MAJOR RENOVATIONS.

ALL, ALL THE NUMBERS WERE INFLATED FROM THE PRESENTATIONS THAT WE HEARD BY THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

LIKE I KNOW, UH, OFFICE OF CULTURAL AFFAIR AFFAIRS, IT, THERE'S A TOTAL CLOSE TO 50 MILLION.

BUT THEN IF YOU, YOUR LATEST, UM, DOCUMENT THAT YOU SENT, ALL OF US THAT HAD THE SCORING ON IT, ALL THOSE NUMBERS WERE HIGHER THAN THEY WERE LISTED IN THE PRESENTATIONS.

THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THE REASON IS WE ARE ADDING, UH, DIFFERENT FACTORS SUCH AS ADMINISTRATION COSTS, CCAP GOALS, UM, INFLATION, UM, AND I BELIEVE THERE'S OTHER FACTORS THAT COME INTO PLAY, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ENOUGH, UH, FUNDS ARE, UH, SET ASIDE FOR THOSE PROJECTS.

SO EVERYTHING GOT INFLATED, I GUESS.

DID YOU GUYS KIND OF NOTICE THAT WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH YEAH, EVERYTHING WAS ADJUSTED TO INCORPORATE THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS? UM, SO LIKE FOR THE IT THEN THERE ARE TWO, I THINK THAT DANIEL'S ON, UH, TWO MAJOR PROJECTS, CORRECT.

DANIEL, THE DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THAT WITH WHAT THE NUMBERS APOLOGIZE AND YES.

AND, AND, UM, AND I'LL APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS THAT WERE TURNED IN.

I, I KNOW SHEILA'S THERE AND BILL WAS PLANNING ON BEING HERE.

UH, BUT SOMETHING CAME UP.

SO OF THE THREE BUCKETS OF MONEY THAT WE REQUESTED IN THERE FOR THE OVERALL NUMBER IN REGARDS TO THE DATA CENTER, THE NUMBER THAT GOES TO THE NEW DATA CENTER IS FOR RENOVATIONS FOR THE FACILITY THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY ACQUIRED.

IT'S A FUNCTIONING DATA CENTER.

WHAT THAT WILL, WHAT THAT MONEY WILL GO TO IS MAKING SURE THAT THAT BUILDING IS ACTUALLY KEPT UP TO DATE AND UP TO SPEED WITH SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE THERE.

AND, AND REFERRING TO CCAP, IS IT THE BUILDING HAS FIVE GENERATORS, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE GENERATORS IF NEED BE, NEED TO BE UPDATED.

THERE'S A LOT OF UNKNOWNS WITH THE DATA CENTER RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH ACQUISITION.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MONEY WAS THE TOUR THAT YOU TOOK THIS WEEKEND, WHICH WAS REVOLVING AROUND THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER.

UH, AND THAT WAS THE OUTDATED FACILITY THAT WE JUST CAN'T STRUCTURALLY UPDATE THE BUILDING ANY FURTHER THAN WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW.

UH, BECAUSE OF THE CONFINES OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN'T MAKE THE BUILDING ANY LARGER AND REROUTE TRAFFIC PATTERNS THROUGHOUT THOSE PARKING LOTS TO HOUSE THE LARGER, UH, FIRE APPARATUSES.

SO, OUT OF A QUESTION FOR YOU, DANIEL, WITH, AND THEN YOU HAD A THIRD ASK, WHICH I THINK WAS RELATED TO, UH, THE YES, MA'AM.

THE THIRD ASK WAS RELATED TO TECHNICAL DEBT.

UH, AND THAT'S IN REGARDS TO, UH, OVER THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS, WE, WE HAVE NOT HAD THE, THE FUNDING THAT IT MAY HAVE WANTED TO HAVE TO KEEP UP WITH CERTAIN ITEMS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE KEPT UP TO A CERTAIN PROPER STANDARDS.

UH, WITH THE, WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF THE NEW EXECUTIVE TEAM OVER THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, WE HAVE STARTED THAT, UH, THAT CASE TO ACTUALLY FIND AND IDENTIFY THOSE ITEMS. AND THAT'S TO CONTINUE THE RE REMEDIATION OF THOSE TECHNICAL DEBT ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

SO TO BRING SERVERS UP TO CURRENT STANDARDS OR, OR TO EVEN PUT IN SOME OF THOSE STANDARDS TO, TO UNIFY SOME OF THE SYSTEMS TO KIND OF REDUCE THE RISK THAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY.

SO EVEN WITHOUT THAT ASK, WHICH I THINK SHOULD BE A GENERAL FUND EXPENSE, BUT, UH, THE YOU'RE AT ONE FIFTY, A HUNDRED FIFTY 2 MILLION AND THEY HAVE KIND OF, UM, AND THE BOND ALLOCATION WAS LIKE 35 TO IT.

I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW 35 GETS CHIPS AWAY AT WHAT YOU NEED.

'CAUSE YOU CAN'T DO A PARTIAL BUILDING.

YOU CAN'T,

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YOU CAN'T GO INTO THE NEW DATA CENTER WITH JUST A PORTION OF THE DOLLAR.

SO, I MEAN, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, DO WE, IS THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS OR IS THERE OPTIONS FOR OUTSOURCING ANY OF THIS THAT I, I KNOW THIS IS A CONCERN.

I MEAN, WE ARE HERE TO AL ALLOCATE DOLLARS.

WE CAN'T REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S, IT IS CHALLENGING.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO MAKE POLICY DECISIONS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD BE OUTSOURCED FROM THE CITY OR NOT.

BUT IS THAT BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DEBATED? I MEAN, IS THIS OUR ONLY SOLUTION IS TO MANAGE ALL THESE DAY TO DAY? YES.

SO WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AND WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED EVEN FURTHER TODAY, THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS, UM, THAT WE'VE BEEN WEIGHING OVER, OVER THE YEARS.

AND THERE'S NOT REALLY, THERE'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL WHEN IT COMES TO IT.

UM, WHEN WE HOLD EVERYTHING IN-HOUSE, THEN WE HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE STAFF AND ALL THE PROPERTY AND ALL, ALL THE HARDWARE ON HOUSE, IN-HOUSE TO DO IT.

IF WE PUSH EVERYTHING TO THE CLOUD, THEN WE'RE AT, AT THE MERCY OF A VENDOR DID, DEPENDING ON THE CONTRACT AND HOW THAT'S WRITTEN, HOW THE CITY REALLY IS MOVING FORWARD AND HOW WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHAT MAKES SENSE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION, EACH INDIVIDUAL SERVICE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT PROVIDES, THAT WE HELP THAT DEPARTMENT PROVIDE THAT SERVICE FOR 'EM.

WE HEARD ANIMAL CONTROL, THEY HAVE SOFTWARE AND THEY HAVE ITEMS THAT THEY USE.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE'RE, WE'RE EVALUATING EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION, IDENTIFYING ITS USE, ITS ITS TECHNICAL FIT, ITS ITS BUDGET FIT GOING FORWARD AND WHAT MAKES SENSE TO MOVE IT TO THE CLOUD OR MOVE IT TO A SAAS SOLUTION.

WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING THAT.

WHAT MAKES SENSE TO KEEP IT IN-HOUSE AND TO KEEP IT, UH, ON PREMISE AND, AND HAVE A VENDOR SUPPORT IT.

WE'RE DOING THAT AND WHAT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT IN-HOUSE AND KEEP OUR STAFF SUPPORTING IT, WE'LL DO THAT.

SO WE'RE EVALUATING EACH ONE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE BEST, THE BEST FIT OVERALL FOR THE CITY.

OKAY.

I KIND OF JUMPED TO THIS IT, 'CAUSE I THINK WHEN I WAS TRYING TO ALLOCATE SOURCES, THIS IS WAS REALLY A CHALLENGING ONE BECAUSE IF WE, IF WE DETERMINE THAT WE SUPPORT THEIR NEEDS, WE GOTTA TAKE THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE OR, OR THE NEXT TASK FORCE WILL HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO WHAT I WANNA HEAR EVERYBODY'S, AND I APOLOGIZE, E EFRIN, CAN YOU MOVE OVER? UH, SHEILA ROBINSON, SHE'S THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER OUR BUDGET AND SHE'LL BE ABLE TO HELP ME AND HELP US.

I IDENTIFY SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.

SHE'S GOT A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT THAN I DO, BUT SHE'S AN ATTENDEE.

IF YOU COULD MOVE HER OVER TO A PANELIST, PLEASE.

OH, SHE'S NOT IN THE ROOM.

I THOUGHT ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING MADAM CHAIR? THIS MAY, THIS MAY BE GOING BACK TO THE SECOND BUCKET.

UM, I'M NOT QUITE CLEAR ON, ON THE DIVISION, BUT, UM, DURING THE TOUR, I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A REDUNDANT SYSTEM IN THAT DATA CENTER THAT WE TOURED THAT I THINK IT WAS CHARACTERIZED AS BEING LEFT ONLINE WHILE OFFICERS BECAME MORE FAMILIAR WITH A NEW SYSTEM THAT IS APPARENTLY ALSO ONLINE.

I'M WONDERING WHEN THAT REDUNDANT SYSTEM COMES OUT AND WHETHER WE RECAPTURE ANY SPACE OR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE CURRENT CURRENT.

SO, SO CLARIFICATION FOR THAT FOR YOU, SIR.

THE, THE FACILITY THAT YOU LOOKED AT WHILE IT LOOKED IN TURN INSIDE LIKE A DATA CENTER, THAT WAS OUR RADIO NETWORK SYSTEM, UH, THAT IS NOT HOUSED IN THE DATA CENTER.

OUR DATA CENTER THAT IS CURRENTLY HOUSED IN CITY HALL IS, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS AND THOSE ARE THE SERVICES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING TO THE, UH, THE NEW DATA CENTER.

THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU SAW AT THE DAWSON FACILITY AT 31 31 DAWSON DURING THE TOUR.

ALL OF THAT WILL GO AWAY WITH THE BUILDING.

SIR, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN MIGRATED OVER THOSE, UH, THOSE SYSTEMS ARE BEING RUN IN PARALLEL UNTIL THE FULL SIGN OFF OF P 25, WHICH I BELIEVE IS EXPECTED TO BE DONE AND TESTING AND COMPLETION DONE BY DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR.

AND THEN THAT SYSTEM WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN.

BUT YOU, BUT YOU NEED THE NEW, IT'S GOING IN THE DATA CENTER OR IT'S GOING INTO THE NEW BUILDING THAT YOU WANNA BUILD ON OAK.

THE, THE P 25 SYSTEM IS SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE CITY, MA'AM.

OKAY.

IT, IT IS, IT IS STATIONED, INSTEAD OF BEING IN ONE LOCATION, IT'S STATIONED THROUGHOUT SEVERAL PLACES, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO THEN EVERYTHING WE SAW IN THAT CROWDED, STACKED, CRAMMED COMMUNICATION CENTER, ALL OF THAT GOES AWAY.

ALL, ALL OF THAT WILL GO AWAY OR IS HAS ALREADY BEEN DUPLICATED INTO ANOTHER SPACE.

YES, SIR.

SO THE, THE A HUNDRED AND I DON'T WANNA SAY THE WRONG NUMBER,

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THE, THE FACILITY, THE 5 MILLION WELL, BUT IT, IT IS ACTUALLY IS 112 MILLION IS HOW THE NEW NUMBERS THEY GAVE US THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER THAT WON'T, THAT WON'T HOUSE ANY OF THAT.

YOU NEED ALL THAT JUST FOR, UM, INSTALLING THE EQUIPMENT INTO THE VEHICLES.

YES, MA'AM.

FOR VEHICLE AND INFRASTRUCTURE PARTS OF DALLAS POLICE, FIRE, ANYTHING THAT'S MOBILE IN A VEHICLE THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS, THAT'S FOR THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER AND THE UPDATED STOCKROOM TO DO ALL OF IT.

UH, ASSET MANAGEMENT AND I, I SAW SHEILA'S ONLINE, SHEILA, BUT SHE, SHE'S PROBABLY WORKING ON HER MUTE, SO WHEN SHE COMES OFF MUTE, I'M SURE SHE'LL ADD YOU'RE THE EXPERT ON ME, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CITY HAS A THREE STORY DATA CENTER THAT WE BOUGHT FOR A DOLLAR THAT WE WANT TO MOVE INTO FOR $35 MILLION.

39.

39.

YES SIR.

AND HOW MANY FLOORS YOU GONNA USE? SO OF THAT DATA CENTER, THE CURRENT DATA CENTER WE ARE GOING TO USE APPROXIMATELY, UH, SO THE, THE, IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR FLOORS.

THE FOURTH FLOOR WILL HOUSE IT STAFF PERSONNEL AND SOME CRITICAL ISSUES.

AND WE'RE STILL KIND OF FLUSHING OUT THE REST OF THAT WITH, UH, CITY'S EXECUTIVE STAFF.

UH, THE FOURTH FLOOR WILL HOUSE, UH, IT SERVICES, UH, OUR STAFF AND SOME OTHER CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE SERVICES.

WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING SOME OTHER PRIORITY TIER ONE SUPPORT CENTERS.

UH, THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, WE'RE, WE HAVE A POTENTIAL FOR SOME REVENUE GENERATION WITH THE CURRENT TENANTS THAT ARE THERE.

WE'RE LOOKING AND EXPLORING THAT OPTION.

UH, AND THEN WE WILL USE, WE WILL UTILIZE, UH, ABOUT, UH, ONE FOURTH TO ONE FIFTH OF THE THIRD FLOOR.

AND THE REST OF THAT WHITE SPACE FOR THE DATA CENTER COULD BE UTILIZED FOR, UH, FOR OTHER VENUES WITH, WITH SOME, UH, COOPERATIVES WITH OTHER CITIES OR MUNICIPALITIES THAT MAY NEED TO BORROW SOME SPACE OR MAY MAY WANT TO RENT SOME SPACE FROM US.

SO IT COULD POSSIBLY BE A REVENUE GENERATOR FOR US IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE'RE EXPLORING THOSE ITEMS. SO IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF, OF THE FACILITY ON OAK STREET, ANY OF THE FUNCTIONS WE'RE GONNA BE THERE, COULD ANY OF THOSE BE MOVED TO THAT BUILDING? WE EXPLORED THAT WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION AROUND THE NEW DATA CENTER, UH, NEXT TO JACK EVANS.

THE INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR VEHICLES IS, IS THE ISSUE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY CENTER AS IT STANDS NOW ON DAWSON, UH, IN ORDER TO GET A LARGE FIRE APPARATUS IN THERE, UH, THERE'S NOT A GARAGE LARGE ENOUGH OVER AT THE NEW FACILITY TO DO THAT.

IT'S SOME ACTUAL PARKING GARAGE THAT POLICE IS USING.

UNDERSTOOD.

BUT IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO JACK EVANS.

SO IT'D BE A LOGICAL PLACE FOR YOUR POLICE CARS AND YOU DON'T NEED NEARLY AS MUCH SPACE FOR, TO THE POLICE CARS THE SIZE BUILDING.

SO I RECOGNIZE IT'S NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT, BUT IS IT POSSIBLE TO BREAK THAT INTO TWO A A TWO SMALLER FACILITIES, ONE THAT COULD BE CLOSER TO JACK EVANS TO SUPPORT D P D AND ONE THAT COULD BE FOR THE LARGER TRUCKS AND IT COULD BE A SMALLER CENTER AND COST LESS.

SO IN THEORY, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD EXPLORE, SIR.

UH, WHAT WE RUN INTO IS WHAT, WHAT I COULD PICTURE US KIND OF RUNNING INTO WITH THOSE IDEAS IS THE SAME PARTS THAT WE USE IN POLICE AND FIRE, WE NOW HAVE TO HOUSE IN TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OR TRANSPORT BETWEEN THE TWO OF 'EM.

SO IT'S, IT, IT'LL ADD A DEGREE OF LOGISTICS AND PROBABLY PERSONNEL AND TRANSPORTING ITEMS THROUGH THERE.

UH, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT EXPLORING AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THAT.

UH, OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I WOULDN'T THINK, UM, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE THE OPTIMAL, BUT WE COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT FROM A LOGISTICS STANDPOINT.

IS IT LESS OF A LOGISTIC NIGHTMARE TO DO THAT OR TO STAY WHERE YOU ARE? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, SIR.

AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'D BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT WITHOUT LOOKING FURTHER AT, AT THE NEW FACILITY.

THE THE BOTTOM LINE IS I DON'T THINK WE HAVE $140 MILLION FOR YOUR NEW FACILITY.

YEAH.

SO I THINK YOU'VE GOTTA BE CREATIVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO DO IT FOR A WHOLE LOT LESS.

WE JUST I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED TO DO IT, BUT WE'VE GOTTA THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

YOU'VE GOT A FOUR STORY BUILDING THAT IS TECHNOLOGY SUPREME AND RIGHT NEXT TO JACK EVANS.

AND LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT THE EXPERT, I'M JUST THE GUY FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN.

UNDERSTOOD, SIR.

WE'LL,

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WE'LL LOOK AT SOME MORE, SOME MORE AVENUES TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME BETTER SOLUTIONS.

UH, THIS WAS, THIS WAS ONE THAT WAS GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT AND, AND, AND PROCESS FOR WHAT WE DID.

AND, UM, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, YOU SAID A 180 MILLION, UM, WHERE, WHERE WAS THAT NUMBER FROM? WELL, NO, THE MO THE NUMBER WE GOT WAS 112 FOR THE MOBILE TECHNOLOGY AND 39 THE DATA CENTER.

SO 151 FOR THE TECHNICAL DEBT I ADDED TO HUNDRED SEVEN 7 MILLION.

YEAH.

AND IF YOU ADDED THE TECHNICAL DEBT TO IT, THAT'S WHERE YOU GOT TO THAT.

BUT, BUT I, THAT THERE WAS A 300 K FOR MAKE YOUR MAIN OH, 300 K IN THAT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL LET'S TABLE THAT DISCUSSION AND MOVE TO ANY OTHER LIKE, ADDRESS QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE FOR STAFF RELATED TO FEASIBILITY OR, OR, OR SPECIFICS.

I HAVE ANOTHER ONE.

OKAY.

WELL IT SEEMED TO ME ON OUR TOUR, AND WE CAN KIND OF COMBINE FIELD TRIPS AND OPEN DISCUSSION, IT CAME TO ME ON OUR TOUR.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WERE BEING ASKED TO BE REPLACED THAT WERE LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD.

THERE ARE A LOT OF LIGHTING REDOING THE FLOOR AT THE MOODY.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE, WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THOSE THINGS WITH 20 YEAR MONEY IF YOU AND THAT ANALOGIZE IT TO A CAR, CAR, WE'RE UPSIDE DOWN.

AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING TO COME BACK AND SPEND 20 YEAR MONEY ON THINGS THAT AREN'T GONNA LAST 20 YEARS.

SO I'D LIKE TO CHALLENGE STAFF TO GO BACK AND ELIMINATE FROM ALL THE BUDGETS.

ANYTHING THAT'S NOT 20 YEAR LIFE, I THINK IT WILL RIGHT SIZE IT TO A DEGREE.

BUT YOU GET TO LOOK AT FOR PROCUREMENT, WHO'S ALL THESE PLACES THAT ARE , BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE SHADES AND REFINISHING THE FLOORS AND REDOING LIGHTING AND AWNINGS AS AS LASTING 20 YEARS.

AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF OUR MONEY TO SPEND 20 YEAR TO PAY FOR THAT STUFF FOR 20 YEARS.

AND IT'S NOT GONNA LAST 20 YEARS.

WE NEED TO DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, AIR CONDITIONING, ROOFS.

I, I DON'T, I'M NOT SAYING THOSE AREN'T GOOD PROJECTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE.

I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE ALREADY UPSIDE DOWN.

IF WE PAY FOR 'EM AGAIN FOR 20 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA BE WAY UPSIDE DOWN MORE.

IT, IT'S, I MEAN THERE'S NINE YEARS OLD THAT ARE ASKING FOR, FOR LIKE MAJOR MAINTENANCE UPGRADE.

THERE'S SOME FACILITIES THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 YEARS OLD THAT ARE ASKING E EXACTLY.

ISN'T IT ALREADY A REQUIREMENT FOR LENDING IN ORDER TO QUALIFY? IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S WEAK.

IT HAS TO BE 20 YEAR YEARS OR MORE.

SO I I, THE CONVERSATION I HEARD FROM JENNIFER AFTER OUR FIELD TRIP WAS SHE WAS GONNA STRIP THOSE WOULD NOT, THAT WOULD NOT GO FORWARD.

EVEN I'M LIKE, IF WE INCLUDED 'EM, I GUESS THEY COULD STRIP BEFORE THEY WENT.

SO WE NEED TO, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY NOT USE THOSE DOLLARS.

IT, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR US AND WE'RE TRYING TO DECIDE HOW TO SPEND OUR MONEY IF WE KNOW THERE'S $12 MILLION OF THINGS THAT CAN'T BE CONSIDERED.

IT MAKES IT EASIER BECAUSE THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO CUT THAT WE GOT, WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

SO I THINK THAT WAS PART OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE FIELD TRIP AMONGST DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

THAT THERE WAS CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE SOME THINGS HAD JUST GOTTEN REPLACED THE LAST YEAR AND THEY WERE ALREADY FALLING BECAUSE OF BUILDING STRUCTURE OR OTHER ISSUES RELATED TO THE FIXES OR THINGS THAT MADE IT IN THE, IN THE PREVIOUS BOND.

AND THEY GOT FIXED, BUT FOR SOME REASON THE WRONG THING GOT DONE.

AND I THINK THEY WERE ALL TO BE, IF WE GO THROUGH OUR KIND OF DIFFERENT AREAS, WE HAVE D F R D P D LIBRARY, IT, CULTURAL ARTS, CITY HALL, FACILITIES, AND THEN HOUSING, WHICH WE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE A, A BRIEFING ON HOUSING.

NO.

AND, AND I JUST WANTED TO, IF IF, IF I CAN, I JUST WANNA MAKE A CLARIFICATION.

SO HOUSING IS WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR UM, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE NOW.

SO WE'RE GONNA GO AND COST OH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ALLOCATE ANY DOLLARS EITHER.

EITHER FOR THE BRIDGE.

'CAUSE I SAID WE NEVER REALLY WERE BRIEFED ON THE BRIDGE OR FOR THE OTHER PERMANENT, UM, PERMANENT SUPPORT HOUSING.

SO THE HOMELESS, HOMELESS ASSISTANCE FACILITIES ARE NOT GONNA BE OUR DEPARTMENT.

YOU HAD 20 MILLION ON 'EM, YOUR SUGGESTED POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT COMES OUT.

THAT COMES OUT AND THAT'S, UH, WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE LOSE THAT MONEY OR WE CAN ALLOCATE IT TO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THESE ARE FOUR, FIVE, WE LOSE THAT, WE LOSE THE 20 MILLION TOO.

I WAS LIKE, I SEE.

THERE YOU GO.

BUT I, I'M DEALING REQUEST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN ON REGARDING THOSE PROJECTS THAT IDENTIFIED AS ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.

SO AS OF NOW, WE ARE, UH, CITY STAFF, WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THOSE ITEMS AND WE'RE REMOVING THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.

THOSE SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE GENERAL FUNDING, UH, FUND AND NOT THROUGH POT.

SO,

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BUT I THINK TO YOUR POINT, ALL OF THOSE WERE IN CULTURAL ARTS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY WEREN'T IN THE FIRE STATIONS THAT WOULD BE PRIORITIZED.

WELL, I, I I WOULD TAKE THE VIEW THAT FEDERAL ELECTRIC PANELS, WHICH ARE A NIGHTMARE FIRE HAZARD, THOSE OUGHT TO BE BEING REPLACED ON A REGULAR BASIS.

AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF A REGULAR, AND THAT WAS FOR CITY HALL.

THAT WAS, WELL WE GOT, I MEAN WE GOT ELECTRICAL PANELS BEING REPLACED, ALL KINDS OF OH YEAH, I A MAJOR CASE WITH MOST FACILITIES WHERE NEW HVAC SYSTEMS, LIKE I HAVE THAT NUMBER LIKE MEMORIZED IN MY HEAD NOW JUST BECAUSE LIKE EVERY CONVERSATION NEEDS AN HVAC SYSTEM.

I DON'T KNOW, LIKE TO ME, LIKE EVEN IF IT'S LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD OR 10 YEARS OLD, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I FEEL BAD FOR A LIBRARY THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN HVAC SYSTEM AND I HAVE THOSE HUGE TUBES LIKE RUNNING THROUGH THEIR WHOLE BUILDING AND IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THEIR HVAC SYSTEMS AREN'T WORKING.

YOU KNOW, LIKE, I JUST DUNNO IF THERE'S A WAY TO LIKE DO MAJOR MAINTENANCE ON PLACES.

DO YOU, I THINK THE ALLOCATION THOUGH, LIKE D R'S ALLOCATION OTHER THAN MAJOR MAINTENANCE, WHICH YOU COULD JUST, YOU WE CAN DETERMINE THEN.

BUT DO YOU, YOU START BY SAYING, OKAY, THE THERE'S SOME STATIONS WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA INCLUDE OR DO YOU JUST DO MAJOR MAINTENANCE LIKE THE NEW STATE? THE TWO, I MEAN THE TWO, THEIR TOP TWO PRIORITIES WERE 43 AND 11.

I THINK THERE'S ONLY 50 HERE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT THOSE ARE CORRECT.

SO LIKE I ALLOCATED THOSE TWO, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S OVER.

BUT THAT I DID IT WAS A HARD TIME GETTING IT LOWER.

OR DO YOU DO JUST ONE STATION AND THEN YOU THEN PRIORITIZE MAJOR MAINTENANCE AT, AT, AT A SEVERAL DIFFERENT PLACES? LIKE IF YOU DID ONE STATE, IF, IF YOU TRY TO GET D L R TO, WHAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR ? GOT TO 26 4.

LET'S, HOW'D YOU GET IT TO 26 4? I DID ALL OF THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE FOR EVERY PART OUR FACILITY.

AND THEN, UM, FIRE STATION 22 REPLACEMENT, WHICH WAS 19 MILLION THAT HAD A RATING OF 62, LIKE THE SECOND HIGHEST FOR EVERYTHING.

AND TWO WHAT SECTION? 22.

OH NEY LENGTH 22.

22 IS ON QUICK ROAD.

YEAH, THAT WAS THE ONE WITH THE HIGHEST, LIKE 19 THE HIGHEST NEED WOULDN'T IF THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT ONE.

IT SHOULDN'T BE THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN OLD ONE.

IF IT'S A PLATE RIP, IT'S, THEY SAID IT'S 60 YEARS OLD.

OH, IT IS.

OR 50 YEARS OLD.

EXCUSE ME.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT A SITE ACQUISITION DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AS AND, AND ONE HAD ON THEIR SITE ACQUISITION, BUT 11, THEY CAN'T, THEY'RE NOT MOVING 11.

THEY'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT'S JUST RENOVATION.

YEAH.

BUT IT, THE LINE ITEM HAD HAD MORE INCLUDED IN IT.

IN IT.

YEAH.

I MEAN EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH ACQUISITION, BUT, BUT ARE DID YOU INCLUDE MAJOR MAINTENANCE AND ONES THAT ARE GONNA BE EVENTUALLY TAKEN DOWN? LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

YEAH, BETWEEN THE 42 3.

YEAH, BUT I ORGANIZE THEM ALL BY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT COLUMN THAT SAYS THEIR FINAL WAVE NUMBER, THEIR CALL SCORE PIT FORM.

YEAH.

SO I TOOK OUT ALL OF THE FIRE STATION STUFF FROM MY MAJOR MAINTENANCE, PUT THEM IN ORDER BY THAT AND THEN, UM, REPLACEMENT STATION FOR 22.

SO IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY HAVEN'T PRIORITIZED 22? WHY THEY DIDN'T PRIORITIZE IT? THE DEPARTMENT, IF IT IS THE, IF THE HIGHEST SCORE, DOES ANYBODY KNOW? I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY, NO.

WHAT I KNOW IS THAT, UH, 22 WAS THE NUMBER THREE PRIOR AGE.

SO ANY OTHER PRIOR IT WAS 11.

WHAT'S THE SCORE OF 43 AND 2 43 IS 52 AND 11 IS, AND WHAT DID YOU SAY TO THAT? 22? SOMEBODY HUGE THAT'S ON ONE.

YEAH.

22 IS 62, YES.

OH, THERE'S, OKAY.

SHE EVEN JUST IS ONLINE.

AND HOW ON 11 THAT BUILDINGS HAVE PERTAINED? THEY'RE NOT THAT, THAT 11 MILLION, THAT 50 MILLION THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR IS JUST TO DOING GOOD EVENING.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? HI, THIS IS CHIEF EDENS WITH DALLAS FIRE RESCUE RESCUE.

WAS THERE I, I'M SORRY, A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT 20 TWOS

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S MUTE AGAIN.

YEAH, THEY, THEY WERE GONNA RENOVATE THE EXISTING BUILDING FIX THE FOUNDATION.

YEAH.

THEY WERE GONNA GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE FIRST FLOOR LIVING QUARTERS AND THEN PUT THE VEHICLE, UM, GARAGE BEHIND IT, BEHIND IT.

THIS SPREADSHEET SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT STILL CORRECT.

IT SAYS IT'S SIX 15 MILLION.

THE RATING IS 58 PER FIRE STATION 11.

YEAH, THAT DOESN'T MATCH THE NUMBER I RECALL FROM THE CHIEF.

COULD YOU TELL US THEN HOW? YEAH, I MEAN WE, WE LOOKED AT THE, THE RATING NUMBERS.

THEY'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF, I MEAN, BUT 43 IS A 52 AND YOU UI GUYS PRIORITIZE THAT AS YOUR NUMBER ONE NEED.

AND THEN 11 IS A 58, WHICH IS NOT MUCH OFF AT 62.

YES, MA'AM.

UH, MAINLY, OH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

NO, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.

OKAY.

, I'M SORRY.

UM, MAINLY, UH, 11 SCORED SUCH A HIGH NUMBER BECAUSE OF, OF THE AGE IN THE DETERIORATION OF THE BRICK.

UH, IT'S LOSING A LOT OF THE MORTAR.

UH, A LOT OF POINTS ARE UNSAFE AS FAR AS LIKE THE EAVES ON THE ROOF.

THERE YOU GO.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? YES, YES, YES.

NOW.

OKAY.

UH, 20 TWOS, UM, DOES HAVE FOUNDATION ISSUES, DOES HAS A BASEMENT, CAUSES MOLD ISSUES FOR US.

UM, BUT AS FAR AS 20 TWOS AND 40 THREES, THEY KIND OF TIED BECAUSE, UH, THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM IS THAT THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO EXPAND OUR RESOURCES.

BOTH OF THOSE AREAS ARE ONE OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE BUSIEST AREAS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND WE HAVE NO WAY OF ADDING AN AMBULANCE OR, UH, ANY OTHER RESOURCE IN THOSE AREAS.

AND THAT IS WHY, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR THOSE NOT ONLY THEIR AGE AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF, UH, REPAIR THAT, THAT EVERYTHING IN THAT STATION NEEDS.

UM, BUT THE FACT THAT WE AREN'T ABLE TO ADD ANY MORE RESOURCES.

UM, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH BACK WHEN, UM, WITH THE MAINTENANCE ON THE FIRE STATIONS, UH, IF SOME, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH, UH, HAVE GOTTEN ALL OF THE FEDERAL PANELS ELIMINATED FROM THE STATIONS.

BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THE MODERN DAY APPARATUS, UH, NOW REQUIRES SO MUCH MORE, UM, ELECTRICAL POWER THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE IT IN THE PANELS.

SO WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING TO BRING MORE POWER INTO THE STATION, ADD MORE PANELS SO THAT WE CAN SUPPLY THE AMOUNT OF ELECTRICAL ITEMS THAT WE HAVE AS OPPOSED TO 1960, UH, WHEN WE WEREN'T EVEN RUNNING E M SS.

SO IT IT WITH ELECTRICAL THAT OR THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE, IT'S NOT JUST FEDERAL PACIFIC.

IT, IT'S EVERY STATION HAS TO BE UPDATED WITH THEIR PANELS.

THEY SWITCH GEAR AMP PANELS FOR THE POWER INCREASE POWER.

YES SIR.

YEP.

EVERY APPARATUS NOW HAS TWO PLUGS AND IT, IT JUST PULLS MORE, HAS MORE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO COMPLETELY REWIRE EVERY SINGLE STATION, BUT BACK WHEN 20 TWOS AND 40 THREES WERE BUILT, WE DIDN'T EVEN RUN E M SS.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE HALF THE EQUIPMENT.

SO, SO WHAT'S THE TOTAL OF, FOR IF YOU, IF YOU DID ALL THE ELECTRICAL UPGRADES AND THAT, THAT'S NEEDED? UH, GOOD QUESTION.

I WOULDN'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT TOTAL FOR YOU, BUT WE CAN GET IT FOR YOU.

WOULD THAT BE YOUR HIGHEST PRIORITY OF THE MAINTENANCE ISSUES THAT EXIST AT THE, AT ALL THE STATIONS OR IS THERE ANOTHER PRIORITY REGARDING MAINTENANCE? IT'S, SO IS IT WHERE THAT PANEL BOARDS SWITCH GEAR, THAT STUFF? YEAH, SO PROBABLY, UM, GENERATORS AND ELECTRICAL.

UH, BUT THEN ALSO SOME OF THE HVAC SYSTEMS, WE WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE 15 STATIONS REDONE THIS YEAR WITH NEW HVAC SYSTEMS. UH, BUT WE STILL HAVE OTHER SYSTEMS OUT THERE THAT ARE FROM THE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES THAT'S ALMOST TO JUST OVER A MILLION MILLION 100, 1 MILLION HUNDRED THOUSAND FOR THE ELECTRICAL.

FOR THE ELECTRICAL STUFF? YEAH.

MORE LIKE AN HVAC.

SO YOU CAN DECIDE, DO YOU DO ONE STATION AND MORE MA MAJOR MAINTENANCE OR TRY TO PUT TWO STATIONS IN THERE AND THERE'S LESS MAJOR MAINTENANCE.

HVAC IS HUNDRED THOUSAND.

UM, BUT THEN FOR ALL OF US, THAT WOULD BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR, UH, HIGHER UP THAN ME.

YEAH.

OKAY.

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NO, I'M, I'M NOT ACTUALLY ASKING THE COMMITTEE TOO, SO YEAH.

ALRIGHT.

42 EACH BACK 16,000 A PAUL, THAT'S WHY IT ADDS UP.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO, UM, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A, UH, KATIE, WHAT? WELL, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, BUT IT'S, BUT THAT'S A LOT.

I MEAN, GETTING ALL THE ELECTRICAL PANELS FOR $1 MILLION SOUNDS LIKE IT'S KIND OF A LOT FOR THAT'S THAT LOOKING AT THE THIRD.

YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD STRETCH LIKE MONEY A LOT MORE THAN WE GET THESE STATIONS KIND OF, OF THE DATE THEN REPLACING, I MEAN, I KNOW LIKE, OKAY, LET'S MOVE TO D P D, LET'S, IS THERE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR D P D? AHA.

MADA.

SO CAN WE MAKE, UM, A RECOMMENDATION WE'LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT? YEAH, YEAH.

WE KNOW THAT THESE GUYS ARE GONNA CHANGE WHATEVER, GIVE IT TO THEM ANYWAY, SO I KNOW WE WILL KNOW FOR A FACT, BUT, BUT WE WANNA, I I THINK THAT'S, CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? A HIGH SCENARIO FOR PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE IS THE TOP THREE, WHICH IS ABOUT $47 MILLION.

THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION FOR HIGH SCENARIO PUBLIC SAFETY FIRE FOR 11.

IF Y'ALL AGREE WITH THAT.

I MEAN, JUST TO BUT THAT'S NO MAINTENANCE THEN.

WELL, I KNOW, I MEAN YOU CAN ADD THE MAINTENANCE.

I'M JUST SAYING 40, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION IS THE TOP OF IT.

IF WE DO TWO STATIONS IN THE MAINTENANCE.

YEAH.

I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S JUST YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

LET'S DO THAT, THAT WAY WE CAN AT LEAST GET NUMBERS ON HERE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND I'D BE HERE ALL NIGHT.

RIGHT.

WOULD WOULD IT BE HELPFUL? SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 1.3 BILLION IN CONSTRUCTION, UH, WHICH OBVIOUSLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

SHOULD WE START BY THINKING WHAT IS THE REALISTIC TOTAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE? SO KNOWING THAT AND HOW MUCH STUDENTS ARE MAJOR? YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? FIRE STATION 11 WAS THE OTHER OUR REALISTIC IS, I MEAN THEY'RE KIND OF, IT'S 250 OR 2 35, RIGHT? WAS WHAT THEY WERE THINKING FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES.

IS THAT 2 35 MINUS 24? YEAH.

WHAT IT, SO, SO WE HAVE 2 20, 200 20 MILLION ALLOCATED FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES.

THAT'S WITH 1.1 FOR TOTAL.

$1.1 BILLION IN TOTAL.

SO CRITICAL FACILITIES IS TWO 20.

SO I MEAN, WITH THAT SCENARIO, IF WE DID WHAT, SO, SO LET'S START BREAKING IT DOWN THEN ON .

DO YOU THINK IT'S HELPFUL? I SHOULD ASK, DID YOU SAY, OKAY, HOW MUCH SHOULD WE DO FOR D F R? HOW MUCH SHOULD WE DO FOR D P D? HOW MUCH SHOULD WE DO FOR LIBRARIES? HOW MUCH I, I MEAN THERE, THERE IS NO SCENARIOS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE OF THE TWO ONE.

I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

IS THAT HELPFUL? OKAY.

BECAUSE, OKAY, SO LET'S, YEAH, SO LET'S, SO WE'LL CHANGE MY RECOGNITION AT MAINTENANCE.

SO THE HIGH WOULD BE, OKAY, WELL LET'S GO TO D.

SO D F R WAS 25 PLUS FIVE, SO LIKE THAT WAS 30 TO GET TO TWO 40, BUT NOW WE'RE AT TWO 20.

BUT, BUT, BUT THIS, THAT'S ONLY THAT, THAT WAS FOR 1.1.

WE DON'T GET AN EXTRA NO.

THAT OR THAT WAS JUST FOR 1 BILLION.

NO, THAT WAS JUST FOR ONE.

I KNOW.

SO, SO WE COULD UP, WE COULD SAY 1 2 30 ON THE HIGH SCENARIO, ON THE HIGH SCENARIO, 10% UP.

SO IT TAKES THE BILLION TO 1.124.

NO, BUT THEY'VE AGREED TO 1.1.

OKAY.

THEY'VE AGREED TO ONE POINT.

IS THAT, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE HEARD.

AND AT, AT ONE WE REPRESENTED 24% OF THE ALLOCATED FUNDS.

YEAH.

SO 1.1 WE WOULD 4% IF THAT IT, IT WOULD TAKE IT TAKE, SO PUT MATH, TAKE OUR TOTAL TWO, WE GOT TWO 20, RIGHT? TWO 20.

SO IT WOULD TAKE OUR TWO 20 TO 2 2 42 2 42.

CAN I, CAN I ASK THIS QUESTION AS THE, THE MINIMUM, I MEAN THE MIDDLE RUSH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

ARE WE LITERALLY JUST HANDING IN THIS CHART WITH LIKE A RECOMMENDED HIGH AND LOW AND THEN WE TELL THE OFFICE , YOU GET 50 MILLION AND YOU GET 55 MILLION.

OR WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY SAY, THAT'S WHY THIS, I WAS LIKE SPECIFICALLY SAY WE NEED THIS FIRE STATION.

THIS FIRE STATION AND ALL THIS MAINTENANCE.

RIGHT.

THEN WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE SHOULD DIVIDE IT UP.

SO AT 2 42 IS YOU THINK THAT'S THE HIGH OR THAT'S WELL, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT OTHER COMMITTEES ARE DOING.

THEY'RE SHOOTING THEIR HIGH A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THEY'RE GETTING.

THAT'S, THAT'S, I KNOW.

LET'S BE REALISTIC.

I MEAN, OKAY.

I MEAN WE, WE UNDERSTAND IT TO BE WAY LOWER THAN TWO 40.

UM, LIKE EVEN UNDER A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED WHAT? FOR US FOR CRITICAL FACILITIES, OUR LITTLE BIRDIES.

SO I JUST WANNA BE LIKE, WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, LET'S KEEP IT ON THE LOW, YOU KNOW, LIKE HIGH SCENARIO OUT THERE.

BUT YOU'LL HAVE REALISTIC MIDDLE AND THIRD ONE.

YEAH, I, I WAS THINKING THAT WE COULD JUST DO ONE THAT'S 241 THAT IS HALF.

AND WHAT THAT ONCE THAT'S A THIRD AND

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THE THIRD OF THE BUDGET IS 80 MILLION.

YEAH, WE HEARD IT'S GONNA BE AROUND THAT.

SO IT'S LIKE THIRD HALF AND ACTUAL I HADN'T HEARD, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT.

IT'S A WILD THING.

.

I'M JUST SAYING LET'S HOLD FOR THE LOWER NU THE TWO 40 MINUTES.

YEAH, THAT POINT EVERYTHING TIME.

WE'VE GOTTA PRESERVE THE ASSETS.

THAT'S THE WHOLE, THEY CAN'T YEAH.

AS, AS FORMER COUNCILMAN, YOU CAN ADD, I THINK THAT IT, THE SCENARIO THAT I SAID FOR FIRE IS A POSSIBILITY.

YEAH, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

I MEAN FOR THAT, FOR, FOR FIRE.

BUT THAT WOULD BE, BUT BUT FOR FIRE IT WOULD BE 50 MILLION, 80.

THAT WOULD BE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU AND I SAY THAT, THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE IT COULD HAPPEN.

I MEAN THEY COULD DECIDE WE'RE ONLY GONNA DO PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE'RE NOT GONNA DO ANY ANYTHING ELSE.

WE'RE NOT GONNA DO LIBRARIES.

WE'RE NOT GONNA, OR I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THOUGH.

YEAH, WE DO A HIGH BY 300 MILLION AND THEN THEY CUT SOME OF THE OTHERS.

BUT YOU STILL PUT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA DIVIDE THE 80 MILLION EVEN LATER.

NO.

THEY MIGHT FULLY FIND FIRE AND CUT SOMETHING OUT.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE THE POLICE TRADE.

SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S LIBRARIES TOO SOON.

CAN WE, OKAY, LET, SO LET'S JUST GO WITH 2 42 THEN AND THEN.

SO I THINK THAT'S TOO HIGH.

YOU THINK IT'S TOO HIGH? I THINK WE, I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A MID RANGE, THAT'LL BE LOOKING AT TWO 20 AND, AND A BEST CASE SCENARIO TWO 20.

SO NOT AS THAT 2 42 IS A HIGH, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

YOU 42 IS A HIGH 2 42 IS A HIGH.

AND THEN, AND THEN YEAR TWO, 20 HALF, THIS LIKE 1 21 THIRD IS 80.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PROMOTE THEM.

I KNOW WE SHOULD PRESENTED, WE FIGHT FOR MORE MONEY.

2 2 2 2 2200, 2 20 AND 2 42.

YEAH.

OKAY.

200 200, 2 22 BRACELET.

YEAH.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO WE DEFINITELY WANNA FIGHT FOR, SO NOW LET'S START, LET'S DIVIDE UP OF THAT, OF THE WHAT PERCENTAGE.

WE CAN JUST DO A PERCENTAGE YOU THINK SHOULD BE D F R.

WE'LL DO PERCENTAGES AND THEN WE'LL CALCULATE 90.

I WOULD CUT DIFFERENT THINGS AT A HIGHER RATE.

GIVE AN EXAMPLE.

UH, LIBRARIES.

I MEAN IF YOU'RE GONNA CUT THAT, YOU, YOU'RE, IT'S A BIG CUT.

IT'S THIRD ON THE HIGH END.

YOU GOT, YOU'RE DOING TWO LIBRARIES AT THE LOW, AT THE MIDDLE END, YOU'RE DOING ONE LIBRARY THAT'S $14 MILLION.

YEAH.

SO, UH, THEIR AND THEIR MAJOR MAINTENANCE DOESN'T ADD UP TO MUCH.

NO, THEY, THEY DON'T.

AND SO THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH JUST ASKING AND THE FACILITY ISN'T COVERED BY THEIR, THEIR MAJOR MAINTENANCE WAS NINE.

WELL, NO, IT'S 14.9.

14.9.

AND, AND, AND THEY, YEAH, IT'S, SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT LIBRARY WOULD EVERYBODY, IF SOMEONE TION, WHAT WOULD THEY PRIORITIZE AS THE HIGHEST LIBRARY NEED? WELL, IF YOU GO BASED OFF OF THE LIST.

YEAH.

UM, THE REPLACEMENT, THIS A SCORE OR THEIR RECOMMENDATION.

THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS PRESTON ROYAL, THEN BISHOP ARTS.

RIGHT.

AND THEN, UM, PARK FOREST.

PARK FOREST, THE LIBRARIES.

UH, SO BASED ON THE TOTAL SCORE IS PARK FOREST IS THE HIGHEST, THE HIGHEST, FOLLOWED BY PRESTON.

PRESTON ROYAL, BASED ON THE TOTAL SCORE.

AND WHAT WERE THE DIFFERENCES SCORES THREE.

AND FOR NORTH CLIFF LIBRARY, ARE WE SAYING? WELL, I MEAN I WOULD PRIOR, I MEAN I KNOW IT'S IN THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENTED, BUT PRESTON ROYAL HAS MONEY SET ASIDE FROM THE SALE.

WE'RE READY TO GO.

IT'S A RENOVATION.

IT'S NOT PRESTON ROYAL IS IS ALSO A LOT LESS TO DO BECAUSE YEAH.

SO BECAUSE THERE'S MONEY SITTING ASIDE.

SO I, I PRIORITIZE THAT.

I WOULD PRIORITIZE THAT AND THE MAINTENANCE.

SO YOU GET WHAT, 14 AND EIGHT IS 22 MID RANGE FOR THE LIBRARY.

AND IF YOU CAN DO MORE, THEN YOU ADD A SECOND LIBRARY, BUT THEN YOU ADD VISUAL PARTS TO IT OR YOU ADD PARK FOREST.

SO IT'S UH, IT, IT'S AN EASY, IT, IT JUMPS EXPONENTIAL.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE HARD PART.

'CAUSE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ALL MAINTENANCE.

IF IT'S ALL MAINTENANCE, YOU JUST TAKE YOUR NUMBER DOWN AND YOU ONLY GET X MAINTENANCE.

YOU LIKE, IT'S THE HIGHEST PRIORITY MAINTENANCE.

BUT WHEN IT'S A NEW FACILITY, YOU EITHER DO IT OR YOU DON'T DO IT.

THE SO ON THE LIBRARIES, I DO 22 MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAINTENANCE AND THERE.

SOMEONE WRITING ALL OF US DOWN, ME FRAMING, TAKING NOTES.

WE ARE OKAY.

SEVERAL STA STUFF.

THE MID RANGE, 22 MILLION.

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THE, THE 22 OF THE, OF OF ITS BUDGET OF TWO 20, WOULD YOU? 20.

SO THAT'S A MEDIUM CASE.

YEAH.

I ARGUE, UM, I WOULD CHALLENGE THE PRIORITY AND I, I AM GONNA ADVOCATE FOR, UH, MY DISTRICT, BUT THE ONLY SOUTH OF THE RIVER, I THINK, UM, I, I WOULD WANNA SEE BISHOP BARN IS THAT, I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL AND IT INCLUDES ADDITION OF PUBLIC SPACE.

POSSIBLY THE INCLUSION OF THE O C THREE CENTER, UM, CREATES SYNERGY WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, THERE'S A NEED FOR GREEN SPACE AND THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, EVEN RENTALS JUST A GOOD FIT OVERALL.

UM, I THINK BISHOP BARKS MAKES SENSE IF YOU CAN DO A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THAT PROPERTY.

I THINK IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING, AND MR. MADANO AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU CAN DO MULTI-FAMILY SECOND REPORT FLOORS ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

YOU CAN DO AT THE CULTURAL CENTER THERE AND PUT THE LIBRARY.

YOU GET SOME SYNERGY.

BUT WITH THE SPACE YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE ONE SET OF RESTROOMS, SET OF TWO, YOU LOWER YOUR MAINTENANCE COSTS.

I, I, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO A NEW LIBRARY BY ITSELF AND DO THE CULTURAL CENTER.

I THINK IT TAKES SOME MORE THOUGHT.

WHO'S THERE A PLAN FOR THAT EVEN? OR IS IT JUST LIKE ASPIRATIONAL AT THIS POINT? 'CAUSE THAT THERE ISN'T LIKE, YOU KNOW, WELL THEY HAVE EXTRA LAND.

I MEAN IT'S A POTENTIAL TO 17.

I MEAN YOU HAVE, BUT IT'S JUST 1700.

I MEAN, I JUST LOOK AT LIKE WHAT ANIMAL SERVICES PRESENTED US.

THEY'RE LIKE, HERE'S WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S GONNA GO IN IT.

I THINK I LOVE PARTS IN THAT WHOLE AREA, BUT THERE'S THAT AT THIS POINT IS ASPIRATIONAL, RIGHT? LIKE ARE WE FINDING SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE MORE CONCRETE OR DID THEY HAVE UM, RENDERINGS? YEAH, I THOUGHT, UH, NO, THEY, UH, YOU DON'T HAVE RENDERINGS YET, BUT THEY HAVE, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO A DESIGNER.

IT'S, I MEAN THEY, THEY CAN DO RENDERINGS WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING.

SO THEY HAVE PRETTY GOOD CONCEPTUAL IDEAS.

SO WE DID, WE DID DO AN R F Q AND R F P FOR THAT VERY TYPE OF PROJECT.

IT WAS IN THAT SHEET I GAVE YOU ALL ON SATURDAY.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME IDEAS BECAUSE WE DID HAVE TWO RESPONSES, UM, TO THAT.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME IDEAS.

BUT, UM, SO THERE WERE, THERE WERE WILLING PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN A PROJECT LIKE THAT, RIGHT? THERE WERE PEOPLE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROJECT.

WE COULDN'T GET PRICING FROM THEM.

SO WE, THEY WERE BOTH CLASSIFIED AS UNRESPONSIVE 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T TELL US HOW MUCH OUR COST.

SO COULD YOU, INSTEAD OF THE 17 MILLION, COULD YOU SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT, WE'RE GONNA PUT EIGHT TOWARDS PRESTON ROYAL 8.7 AND 8.7 TO BISHOP ARTS AND THEN TAKE THAT 8.7 AND PUT IT, INCORPORATE IT IN THE R F P AND SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK.

I DON'T KNOW.

THEY WOULD NEVER TELL ME HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST .

SO CHAIR, I WANTED TO MAKE THE CORRECTION.

UM, I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG LINE ITEM.

SO THE HIGHEST FOR LIBRARIES IS PRESIDENT.

TOTAL SCORE IS 71.

SO PRESTON 71.

YES.

AND THAT'S UH, 8.7 MILLION.

AND AND WHAT DID BUSH BAR HAVE? WHAT WAS BISHOP ARTS WAS THE SECOND? UM, AT 64.

64.

AT 17 MILLION.

MILLION.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S FOR THE REPLACEMENT THOUGH.

YEAH.

'CAUSE THEY STILL HAVE THREE LINE ITEMS THAT ARE OVER.

LIKE THEY HAD MAINTENANCE.

IF YOU DON'T REPLACEMENT MAINTENANCE FOR THE CURRENT.

YEAH, YEAH.

WE THEN BE DOING A HIGHER BASE BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD BE ELEVATING TO THE GROUP ABOVE US.

IS THE VALUE JUST NEED FOR THREE OF THESE LIBRARIES AND THEN ARTIFICIALLY NOT SAYING WE'RE JUST NOT RECOMMENDING THEM.

SHOULD THEY MAKE ACROSS, BECAUSE THEY'D BE LOOKING AT OTHER COMMITTEES AS WELL, RATHER THEM JUST CHOOSING ONE LIBRARY? I THINK, I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US THOUGH, WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.

THEY COULD DO LARGER LIBRARY.

I MEAN, I THINK WE SAY ONE LIBRARY.

IF YOU DO ONE LIBRARY, THIS IS THE ONE YOU, WE RECOMMEND TWO AND THREE.

AND THEY COULD LOOK THE SCORE.

THEY COULD SAY THE THE SCORES ARE DIFFERENT OR THE SCORES ARE THE MORE THE SAME.

I MEAN, I, I WOULD, I WOULD STILL VOTE FOR PRESTON.

BOY, IT'S THE HIGHEST SCORING.

IT HAS MONEY SITTING ASIDE.

IT WAS PROMISED BACK IN 2006.

UM, CIRCULATION ALL THREE.

IT'S THE HIGHEST CIRCULATION IN 2006.

SAY ALL, I'M SORRY.

ALL THREE OF THESE WERE PROMISED IN 2006 LIBRARY TO BE 35 MILLION.

YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ALL THREE HAVE.

I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.

OKAY.

SO IF, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE TODAY, WHAT WOULD YOU PICK? CUSTOMER.

BECAUSE IT HAS MONEY ALREADY.

, BUT IT NEEDS MORE MONEY.

THAT IS RECOMMENDATION NEEDS.

IT NEEDS MORE.

THERE'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO IT.

SO YOU, YOU COULD IS IT THEY COULD SELL THE LAND.

I MEAN THAT'S THE PRESTON ROYAL SOLD

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LAND TO, THEY CHOSE NOT TO DO, BUILD A BIG LIGHT NEW LIBRARY AND THEY CHOSE THE SOLD THE LAND THAT'S GET THE DOLLARS.

MM-HMM.

WHERE WE, THE OPPOSITES HAPPEN.

THEY BUY MORE LAND.

AND NOW WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE LAND.

THEY'VE TAKEN IT OFF THE TAX ROLLS.

I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S, I MEAN, SOMEBODY'S FAULT I GUESS THAT HADN'T MADE THESE DECISIONS AT THE CITY LEVEL AT SOME POINT.

BUT I MEAN, WE'RE GOING BACK TO 2006 BACK WHEN THEY WERE DECIDING ON THE LAND.

IT'S JUST FRUSTRATING.

WHAT, I MEAN, JUST TRYING TO, I I WOULD DO IT ALL IF WE COULD, BUT, OKAY, LET'S GET TO, UM, HOW WE'RE GONNA TACKLE CULTURAL ARTS.

I THINK A SIMILAR APPROACH TO WHAT I DID WITH THE OTHER ONES, LOOKING AT THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE.

I THINK THE D M A NEEDS A LOT OF, UM, A LOT OF MAJOR MAINTENANCE.

UM MM-HMM.

, I HAVE A FAVORING FOR THE MEXICAN AMERICAN MUSEUM BECAUSE THEY HAD A HIGHER RATING THAN MOST OF THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO US BEFORE.

BUT THAT'S A NEW BUILD.

SO IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT NEW BILLS, UM, THEN NOT THE MEXICAN .

UM, WE HAD A RATING OF 69 COMPARED TO SOME OF THE STUFF THAT, UM, THE OTHER FACILITIES PRESENTED.

SO BRUCE, SINCE YOU DUG INTO ARTS, WHERE ARE YOU ON ALL THIS? I KNEW HOW DO YOU SUCCESSFULLY ADJUST THE ARTS? THEY'RE IN YOUR DISTRICT.

WE NEED THOSE MAJOR MAINTENANCE PIECES.

THAT'S REALLY IT.

STUFF THAT, THE STUFF THAT PRESENTED IS THE STUFF.

THOSE ARE BUILDINGS WE OWN.

SOME OF THEM ARE VERY CULTURALLY SIGNIFICANT.

WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM.

AND UH, SOME OF THEM ARE ALSO IN THAT 20 YEAR LIKE SITUATION.

YEAH.

THAT 40, WHATEVER, THAT $50 MILLION NUMBER HAS A LOT OF, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DOLLAR VALUE IS, BUT IT'S GOT A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE LESS THAN 10 ITEMS THAT NOT 20 YEAR BOND MONEY ITEMS. LIKE REDOING THE FLOOR AT THE MOODY.

IF THE FLOOR NEEDS TO BE REDONE AT THE MOODY FOR 10 YEARS, THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ITEM.

THAT'S NOT A BOND ITEM.

SO THE, THE ROOF WAS, THEY TALK ABOUT ROOF REPAIR WAS THE FLOOR PART OF IT.

THE, THE ROOF, THE CHILLER.

THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

YOU CAN FINANCE THAT AND YOU'LL GET A USEFUL LIFE OUT OF IT.

JUSTIFY THAT LONGER.

RIGHT.

LONGER PERIODS.

SO CAN WE TAKE, CAN WE TAKE THE CULTURAL LARGE BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY ABOVE 50.

THE NUMBERS THAT YOU, IF YOU TAKE BENJAMIN'S NUMBERS THAT HE PRESENTED TO US, SOME OF IT PROBABLY USED TO BE TAKEN OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, UM, 10 YEAR, I MEAN 20 YEAR ITEMS AND THEN YOU, UM, AND THEN YOU, BECAUSE YOUR NUMBERS WERE HIGHER, YOU MIGHT GET BACK DOWN TO 50.

SO DO WE LEAVE 50 AS FULL TO LARGE THE MIDDLE, THE TWO TOWARDS THE TWO 20? LIKE THAT? LIKE THERE'S A 1.8 MILLION THAT I HAD IN MY NOTES FOR MOODY.

AND THEN THERE'S A 2.4 MILLION IN THIS CHART.

IS THE 2.4 LIKE THAT, CORRECT.

UH, 2.4 MILLION.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF I, BENJAMIN ESPINO S AND CULTURE IS WHAT COST ESCALATION AT WHEN THE BOTTOM.

OKAY.

THE BEST TIMING OF MONEY.

OKAY.

THAT ALSO IS A FACILITY THAT'S LESS THAN 20 YEARS OLD.

RIGHT? IT'S 12.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN.

LIKE ACTUALLY THE ROOF WAS PROBABLY FINISHED BY 2000 EARLY 2011.

LET'S, LET'S DO THE TOP NUMBER THEN WE'LL DIG IN.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO DIG UP.

SO LET'S LEAVE THAT AROUND 50.

YEAH, LEAVE IT AROUND 50 BECAUSE THAT'S GONNA REALLY JUST WITH ALL THESE BUILDINGS SEEMS IT'S A LOT FOR GONNA KNOCK OUT FOR 50.

UM, AND IT'S MAJOR MAINTENANCE.

IT'S NOT NEW.

THERE'S NOT ANYTHING NEW IN THERE.

UM, THE MEXICAN AMERICAN.

OKAY, LET'S HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

DID WE LEAVE IN OR NOT TO OR CHECK IT OUT? I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT, I DON'T THINK I, I WASN'T, WE HEAR, WE DIDN'T HEAR ALL, WE DIDN'T HEAR A PRESENTATION ABOUT, WE HAD A SPEAKER ABOUT IT.

YEAH, THEY MET.

IT'S NOT THE 50 MILLION THAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING WAS FROM MAINTENANCE DID NOT INCLUDE THE, THE MUSEUM.

BUT THIS WAS ALL MAINTENANCE, CORRECT.

FOR CLARIFICATION THE OFFICER.

BUT WE HAVE NOW.

YES, WE'RE MANAGING NOW.

YES.

SO THE OFFICER THAT WOULD BE ME ONLY SUBMITTED TO THE BOND OFFICE UNDER THE MAJOR MAINTENANCE CATEGORY.

SO YOU DID NOT SUBMIT ON, YOU DID NOT SUBMIT ANYTHING FOR YOU TO REPLACE IN A RE RENOVATION CONSTRUCTION.

SO FOR THE MEXICAN AMERICAN, NOTHING WAS SUBMITTED FOR MAJOR MAINTENANCE.

IT WAS ONLY FOR, UH, A NEW BILL.

THE OFFICE ARTS AND CULTURE AS STAFF, WE HAVE NOT SUBMITTED, WE'RE ONLY DOING MAINTENANCE WEED.

THE MEXICAN AMERICAN MEANS $24 MILLION NUMBER.

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IT'S JUST AN ORGANIZATION THAT'S COME TO THE CITY AND WANTS TO SO THEY SUBMITTED IT DIRECTLY.

IT HASN'T GONE.

GOT IT.

BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY HAVEN'T RAISED ANY MONEY.

YEAH.

OKAY.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T WITHIN.

SO I WAS JUST GOING BASED OFF OF LIKE WHAT YEAH, IT DID, IT DID HAVE A HIGH, HOW DID IT GET A HIGH SCORE? I'M CURIOUS ON THAT.

YEAH, BECAUSE THE, I MEAN IT'S BASED ON THE LOCATION.

OH.

SO IT'S GONNA BE BY FAIR PARK AND THEN IT'S LIKE YEAH, BUT, BUT MOST OF, I THOUGHT THERE WAS A CORPORATION ON LIKE NEED AND LIKE MAINTENANCE AND IT DIDN'T HAVE A MAINTENANCE NEED TO IT 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST 55 OR A TECHNICAL SCORE.

I COULD SEE WHERE WE GET AN EQUITY SCORE OF 10.

I COULD SEE THAT'S THE MAX.

BUT HOW DID IT GET TO 55? SO ACCORDING TO THE, THE GROUP THAT IT'S SUPPORTING, THE MEXICAN AMERICAN, THEY DO HAVE LEVERAGE FUNDS.

THEY JUST DON'T HAVE A A AN AMOUNT.

SO THE TECHNICAL SCORE, IS THAT RAISED BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY HAVE LEVERAGE? THAT IS CORRECT.

HOW MANY POINTS DO THEY GET FOR LEVERAGE? I THINK IT IS, I THINK IT'S 15 POINTS.

AND, AND YOU SAY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

THEY HAVEN'T RAISED A SENATE.

WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO, UM, QUANTIFY OR QUALIFY THIS SCORE? UH, TO SAY THAT THEY HAVE MONEY? I MEAN, MIGHT TO SAY THEY HAVE MONEY TO GET THE SCORE.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT UH, WE ARE WAITING ON TO HAVE A, A, UM, COMPANY TO SEE THE FROM , UM, TO GUARANTEE THE AMOUNT.

WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD? IS THERE AN APPETITE AT COUNCIL LEVEL AT ALL? HAS ANYBODY HEARD? I, I DID.

UM, LAST WEEK, UM, MY COUNCIL PERSON SAID SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

I KNOW COUNCIL MORE.

I KNOW IT'S, IT'S SUPPORTING THE, OKAY.

WELL I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T IN THIS 50 MILLION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT OKAY.

TO BE CLEAR, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF EVERY SINGLE THING.

BUT YOU WANT HUNDRED.

BUT WHEN THE PROPOSAL IS GIVE US YOUR MONEY, WE'LL DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHERE IT SORT OF FALLS OFF BECAUSE IT'S ON THE LARGER SPREAD.

LET'S TALK ABOUT CITY, WHAT WE DO WITH CITY HALL.

ERIC HAS GOTTA THE GENERATORS AND THE GENERATORS, THEY GOTTA PLACE THOSE THINGS.

YEAH.

YEAH.

MY, I THINK YOU GOTTA DO THE CITY HALL PROJECTS.

I THINK WE NEED TO ASK THEM TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT.

I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S SAFE TO PUT THE GENERATORS IN THE BUILDING.

I MEAN THE EXHAUST AND THE DIESEL, I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE MOVED OUTSIDE.

I THINK THE CHILLERS SHOULD BE MOVED OUTSIDE BECAUSE REMEMBER HE SAID HE'D HAVE A FOUR BY FOUR CUTOUT IN THE ROOF.

ALL THE PIECES OF THAT CHILLER.

THAT CHILLER HAS TO BE DISASSEMBLED AND PUT THROUGH A FOUR BY FOUR BOX AND THEN MOVED IN.

AND THE OLD ONE'S MOVED OUT THE SAME WAY.

THAT IS NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

THEY SHOULD BUILD A, A UTILITY STRUCTURE IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

PUT THE GENERATORS IN THERE, PUT THE CHILLERS IN THERE.

THEY'LL BE MUCH LESS COST EFFECTIVE NOW AND THE NEXT TIME THEY HAVE TO REPLACE EVEN HAVE TO REDO THE PIPES.

YEAH.

HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THE PIPE IN THE, THEY WOULD FACILITIES MONEY, RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE CITY FACILITIES.

YEAH.

I WANNA SAY IT'S NOT DIFFICULT.

BUT ALL THE CITY MODELS, NOT ONE'S TOTAL UP TO 31 MILLION.

WELL, MORE THAN THAT.

'CAUSE THE, THE WATER, THE WATER ONE WAS 35.

MAYBE I ONLY LOOKED AT TOP.

YEAH, BECAUSE THE WATER WAS NOT, THE WATER WAS 35 MILLION ON ITS OWN.

I, I DON'T THINK WE CAN, I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY COULD TACKLE THAT.

WE HAVE JOHN JOHNSON'S DIRECTOR OF SERVICES, JOHN, THERE'S $61 MILLION WORTH OF ITEMS THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

AND THAT WAS PRIOR TO THE ESCALATION THAT WAS ADDED ON BY BOND AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT.

WE ARE CURRENTLY REPLACING THE PIPES BUT ONLY FOR THE STEAM SYSTEM, WHICH WE'RE CONVERTING TO HOT WATER.

SO WE'LL BE DOING THE, UH, AIR CONDITIONING AND CHILLER PORTION BEFORE 2030 BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED BY LAW.

THE GENERATORS ARE CURRENTLY OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY ALREADY.

WHEN YOU EXIT THE GARAGE FROM THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS A GRATE AND THEY'RE IN THERE.

THERE ARE SIX GENERATORS.

ONE HAS BEEN DEAD SINCE ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO.

AND THE OTHERS ARE CONSTANTLY FAILING, BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, WE CANNOT FIND PARTS.

AND WE'VE HAD TO FRANKENSTEIN WHAT WE CALL FRANKENSTEIN.

ONE OF THEM ARE READY TO ROB PARTS FOR