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SO WE ARE HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME.
AND THEN HERE, I THINK THAT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE FOR NEXT MEETING.
AND THEN FOR THE 29 MEETING, THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE BROADCAST LIVE, REMEMBER, AND SPEAKING MEETING TOO.
I IN THE, UH, JUST HELP WHAT I'M GIVE YOU MY EMAIL.
I'LL FORWARD THE STATION PORTION.
WHAT IS NINE? VERY MUCH? UM, NINE NINE'S.
HELLO? DO YOU WANNA SPEAK? THERE IS ANOTHER, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES IF YOU'RE A PUBLIX.
AND THEN THIS ONE'S STILL, CAN YOU COME SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
OH, YOU MUST HAVE SIGNED UP FOR THE TASK FORCE.
AND THAT DOESN'T START TILL AFTER.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHEN THE TASK FORCE NO, I'M IN EARLY.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE STREETS COMMITTEE.
AND THEN THERE'S A, UH, OVERALL COMMITTEE CALLED THE, UH, BOND TASK FORCE.
AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY'RE MEETING.
THEY MIGHT BE MEETING IN THE CHAMBER.
IN THE D IN THE CITY HALL CHA IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE FINISHED WITH OUR SPEAKERS THEN.
UM, ALI TFI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, WE HAVE OUR TEAM IN PUBLIC WORKS, SHAHA MOHAMMAD ON MY LEFT.
UH, HAM HANSEN, OUR, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
WHITE, OUR INTERIM ASSISTANT DIRECTOR.
ON MY RIGHT, WE HAVE, UH, TRANSPORTATION TEAM.
UH, KATHERINE RAJ, THE CHIEF PLANNER FOR TRANSPORTATION.
AND ALSO WE HAVE ORO ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
WE DO NOT HAVE A, LIKE, A FORMAL PRESENTATION AS WE DID IN THE, UH, PREVIOUS, UH, MEETING THAT WE HAD.
BUT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT SOME, UM, ITEMS HERE, UH, THAT THE ONE THAT WE VOTED ON LAST TIME AND THE, UH, BUDGET ALLOCATION AND ALSO, UH, THE CITY PREPARED, UM, THE EXCEL FIGHT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AND WITH THE DETAILS OF THE ALLOCATION OF THE MONEY FOR THE CITYWIDE PROJECT VERSUS THE DISTRICT AND THE TOTAL, UH, FOR EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A FEELING OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE BUDGET THAT YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE FOR BOTH DISTRICT WISE AND THE CITYWIDE.
AND, UH, WITH THAT, THEY'RE GONNA, UH, TURN IT OVER TO SHAHA TO GO OVER THIS EXCEL FILE WITH YOU ALL.
UM, AFTER THAT, UM, DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON TRANSPORTATION TO SHARE OR, UM, DID RECOMMENDED.
UM, DID WE PIECE TO THEM OR, OKAY.
SO Y'ALL ALREADY RECEIVED THE, UH, RECOMMENDED LIST OF THE CITYWIDE PROJECT, THE ONE THAT CITI PUT TOGETHER BASED ON SOME CRITERIA, AND ALSO YOU HAVE THIS ONE ELSE.
YEAH, AND THAT'S THE SAME, UM, BASICALLY LIST THAT, UH, WE SENT YOU ALL, UH, OVER THE WEEKEND.
ALSO, I WANTED TO, UH, EMPHASIZE THE NEED THAT, UH, Y'ALL NEED TO SUBMIT TO US THE LIST OF THE, UH, RECOMMENDED, UM, YOU KNOW, PROJECTS BECAUSE WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM SOME, UH, SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS, BUT NOT FROM, UH, ALL OF Y'ALL.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU'RE GONNA SEND US THE LIST BECAUSE WE NEED THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO, UH, START WORKING ON, UM, THE LIST AND THE BOND AND THE PRESENTATION FOR THE TASK FORCE, WHICH ACTUALLY, UH, GOT POSTPONED TO SEPTEMBER 19, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, UH, CHAIR.
AND WITH THAT, THEY'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, SHE HAD TO GO OVER THIS, UH, BREAKDOWN.
SO YOU WILL HAVE SEVERAL, UM, SEVERAL HANDOUTS WITH YOU.
ONE OF THEM IS, UM, THIS BIGGER HANDOUT THAT SPEAKS TO BUDGET ALLOCATION.
ON THE LEFT, THERE ARE THE TABLE OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WHERE WE DISCUSSED, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS.
AND ON THE LEFT IS, UM, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL, UH, THAT BASICALLY GOES, UM,
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GOES OVER SEVERAL SHEETS HERE TO COVER, YOU KNOW, ALL THE CATEGORIES, UH, BREAKDOWN PER DISTRICT.AND THEN, UH, THE END, YOU WILL SEE THE PERCENTAGE PER DISTRICT FOR TOTAL.
AND ALSO AT THE BOTTOM YOU SEE THE TOTAL FOR ALL OF THE ALLOCATIONS TO ADD UP INTO THE TOTAL, UH, PROPOSED BUDGET OF, UH, $485 MILLION FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND PLUS $50 MILLION FOR THE TRANSPORTATION.
SO, SO, UM, WITH THAT, I THINK, UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SCENARIO, WE FOCUSED ON THE, THE, THE, WHAT WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY ON THE PREVIOUS MEETING ABOUT THE 50 50 OR THE 53.
UM, THE 50, YEAH, IT WAS LIKE THE 50 54 STREET PORTION, UH, ASIDE FROM SIDEWALKS AND, UM, AND BRIDGES, WHICH WE PUT A, UH, A SEPARATE MONEY OUT FOR IT.
UH, AND THEN, UM, ALSO IT WAS BASED ON THE, FOR THE PER DISTRICT BUDGET, IT WAS BASED ON THE 75% SCENARIO, UH, FOR, UH, BASED ON PERCENT NEED AND THE 25, 20 5% BASED, UH, SPLIT EQUALLY.
SO, UH, THAT'S HOW THIS WAS SPLIT.
ALSO, ON SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT GO INTO SEVERAL DISTRICTS FOR THE CITYWIDE PORTION, UH, IF THEY COVER TWO DISTRICTS, THEY WERE, UH, DIVIDED BY TWO.
UH, AS FAR AS THEIR BUDGET, IF THEY WERE COVERING THREE DISTRICTS, THEY WERE DIVIDED BY THREE.
UH, AND THEN THAT PORTION OF EACH DISTRICT WAS SHOWN, UM, AS PART OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, UM, BENEFIT OF THE TOTAL BUDGET.
SO, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE EACH DISTRICT AND HOW THAT HAS CHANGED BASED ON THE RECOMMENDED SCENARIO THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE OTHER SHEET IN THE OTHER HANDOUT.
SO THE OTHER HANDOUT, THIS ONE IS BASICALLY THE HANDOUT THAT SHOWS THE RECOMMENDED SCENARIO FOR, OR THE, ALL THE CITYWIDE PROJECT.
THERE IS A, A THIRD HANDOUT THAT SHOWS, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT, BUT THERE'S A THIRD HANDOUT THAT SHOWS SPECIFICALLY PER DISTRICT, UH, BREAKDOWN FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PART, WHICH IS THE 50 MILLION, UH, THAT SPEAKS TO LIGHTING AND THE, UH, TRAFFIC SIGNALS WARRANTED AND THOSE KIND OF, UM, PROJECTS.
YEAH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WE HAVE SO WE DON'T HAVE IT.
UM, IT'S PART OF, SO THIS ONE RIGHT HERE ON THE TOP MM-HMM.
BASED ON THIS ONE, IS THE BUDGET ALLOCATION BASED ON THE BUDGET ALLOCATION THAT VOTED ON? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THIS PART OF IT, THIS ONE.
THE ONE THAT GOES INTO THE BA THE PAGES.
AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL BREAKDOWN.
AND REMEMBER, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING THIS IN THIS FORMAT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE GOING OVER IT, YEAH.
WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.
DID WE NOT, SO THAT, DID WE NOT VOTE TO DO THE FIVE 20 SCENARIO LAST TIME? WHAT MARY? FIVE, I THOUGHT LAST TIME WE VOTED TO GO FOR THE FIVE 20 SCENARIO AND NOT THE 4 85.
WELL, I THINK WHAT CANDACE'S AMENDMENT WAS IS THAT WE TAKE 50% OF WHATEVER IT ENDS UP TO BE AT LEAST 50%.
I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE AT 5 35 RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S, THE 4 85 IS FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER 50 FOR TRANSPORTATION.
UH, TO GO BACK, KIND OF TO YOUR QUESTION THOUGH, IT IS GONNA BE WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS, THIS IS JUST COLLEAGUES, THIS IS JUST A NUMBER THAT WE HOPEFULLY WILL GET, BUT STILL, AND I THINK WE SHOULD UP THE NUMBER FROM 50% TO A LITTLE BIT MORE, BECAUSE TRADITIONALLY IT HAS BEEN, I THINK AT 52 OR 54.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE STAFF LOOK THAT UP FOR THE LAST THREE BOND ISSUANCES SO THAT WE CAN TELL WHAT PERCENTAGE IT WAS.
I KNOW THE LAST BOND, 2017, $533 MILLION WAS FOR PROPOSITION A, WHICH IS A STREET AND TRANSPORTATION OUT OF ONE POINT.
UH, I THINK TWO OR ONE, UH, BILLION DOLLARS THAT WE HAD.
SO LET'S JUST GO BACK A COUPLE OF ISSUANCES AND, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SHORTCHANGING OURSELVES, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
THERE'S A VERY GOOD ARGUMENT FOR MAKING IT MATCH OR BE AS, BE AS MUCH PERCENTAGE WISE AS IT WAS BEFORE.
SO, I'M SORRY, SHAHAD TO ENTER, UH, TO NO, THAT'S OKAY.
BUT THEN ON THESE SMALLER SHEETS, AND, AND DO
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I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT? IT, WHEN YOU TURN THE PAGE, EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T CARRY CONTINUE THROUGH THE DISTRICT NUMBERS, YOU CAN STILL, EVEN THOUGH, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T SEE IT ON OUR SHEETS, IT'S STILL BY DISTRICT, RIGHT? YEAH.IT'S JUST A CONTINUOUS, IT'S ONE BIG, JUST A, I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH THIS SENT ON THE EMAIL, YOU KNOW, JUST CLEANED UP AND SENT ON THE EMAIL THAT YOU CAN SCROLL THROUGH IT, BUT IT'S LIKE VERY, YOU KNOW, YEAH.
AND THEN ON THE, ON THE SECOND ONE THAT LOOKS THE SAME, WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? WHICH ONE IS ON THE SECOND ONE? I'M SORRY.
WELL, THIS ONE IS, IS THE SAME GIANT SHEET AS THIS ONE.
AND WHEN WE GOT 'EM, MAYBE YOU GOT TWO COPIES.
I JUST DON'T WANNA CONFUSE IT.
SO THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE SHEET I DID SHOULD ONE GIANT STAPLE.
YEAH, IT'S JUST ONE GIANT STAPLE, THREE PAGES.
AND THE SAME FOR, FOR THESE, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO OF THEM.
YOU PROBABLY GOT TWO MAYBE PLACED ON, ON YOUR, UM, ON YOUR, ON YOUR AREA.
I THINK EVERYBODY GOT TWO, BUT IT, THERE'S NO DIFFERENT, NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ONE OR THE OTHER.
AND THEN THIS THIRD ONE, DID YOU HAVE THE THIRD ONE, WHICH IS THIS ONE? IT SAYS RECOMMENDED CITYWIDE PROJECTS 8 18 23.
I SAID I HAVE ONE THAT BEGINS WITH 8 21, HAVE THREE, AND I DON'T HAVE EIGHT.
WHAT DID YOU SAY? EIGHT'S? ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T 18.
OKAY, SO THIS ONE IS, SO EVERYBODY HAS 1 8 18 AND 1 8 21.
AND THIS ONE IS WHAT WAS SHARED OVER THE WEEKEND, UH, AS ONE OF THE TABS THAT HAS, UH, OR, UH, OR LAST WEEK, THAT'S ONE OF THE TABS THAT SAID RECOMMENDED PROJECTS THAT HAS ALL THE RECOMMENDED PROJECTS, UM, FOR THE CITYWIDE SAYS 8 18 23.
IS IT ANOTHER ONE CALLED 8 21? YES.
AND THEN THERE IS ONE THAT SENT BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS.
IF ANYBODY HAS, IF ANYBODY DOES NOT HAVE THE SINGLE SHEET, THEY DISTINCT.
WHAT IS THIS? THE SINGLE SHEET? WHAT IS THIS SINGLE SHEET? DOES ANYBODY FEEL LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE COMPLIMENT? SO THERE'S, OKAY, SO THIS ONE IS THE STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION RECOMMENDED CITYWIDE PROJECTS, AND IT SAYS EIGHT SAYS RECOMMENDED CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
IT'S BOTH STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION.
THIS ONE, UM, IS JUST, IT SAYS STAFF'S TRANSPORTATION BOND RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO IT'S JUST THE TRANSPORTATION ONES.
AND IT'S BROKEN OUT BY DISTRICT FOR SIMPLICITY.
AND IT'S 8 21 FOR SIMPLICITY PURPOSES.
UM, AND I THINK FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, IT'D BE BENEFICIAL FOR TALKING ABOUT CITYWIDE PROJECTS TO FOCUS ON THIS ONE THAT STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION MM-HMM.
UM, BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN HOW YOUR DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING SHAKES OUT FOR YOUR DISTRICT WITH JUST TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, THIS IS ALSO PROVIDED.
UM, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THERE'S ALSO A WORD DOCUMENT OR A SINGLE, UH, SHEET WORD DOCUMENT THAT'S CITYWIDE REQUESTS, PROJECT REQUESTS AND PRIORITIES SENT BY SUBCOMMITTEE COMMITTEE MEMBERS SINCE EIGHT 15.
SO THESE ARE ADDITIONAL CITYWIDE PROJECTS THAT WE RECEIVED EMAILS ABOUT THAT ARE RIGHT, IDENTIFIED TYPICALLY AS, UM, OF INTEREST OR PRIORITIES BY, BY COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND SO, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WITH ALL OF THESE, WE DID NOT RECEIVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT SHOULD BE CUT FROM THE BOND IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THESE PROJECTS.
AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH, UM, IF THERE'S ANY OF THESE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION, UM, WE CAN TAKE THAT, I DON'T KNOW, AFTER MAYBE SHAHA AFTER YOU FINISH, UM, UH, WE CAN TAKE THAT UP AND ALSO DISCUSS WHAT WOULD THEN NEED TO BE CUT.
UM, AND I, UH, I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO DISCUSS JUST THIS SHEET THAT YOU CAN REFER TO, TO LOOK AT THE ALLOCATIONS THAT SUMMARIZED PER DISTRICT.
UM, AND THEN ALSO, UM, WHATEVER I RECEIVED, LIKE SO FAR, WE ONLY RECEIVED ABOUT FIVE OR SIX TOTAL PRIORITY LIST FOR DISTRICTS.
SO, UH, THERE ARE MANY COUNCIL DISTRICTS OR, UM, UM, REPRESENTATIVES HAVE THAT HAVE NOT, UH, SUBMITTED TO THEIR SHEETS
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YET.SO, UM, WHATEVER WE HAVE RECEIVED, WE KIND OF, UH, SUMMARIZED IN ANOTHER LIST WHERE, UM, FOR ALLEYS, FOR THE PER PER DISTRICT BUDGET, WHICH IS THE ALLEYS AND THE STREETS, UM, WE SOMEHOW, UM, ADDED IT TO, UM, AND I, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO SHARE THAT AND SHOW IT TO YOU.
UM, I, ME, WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, COLLEAGUES, IF YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN SHAHAD AND THE REST OF THE STAFF, ALI, AND, AND THE REST OF THE STAFF, UM, YOUR LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU WANT, THAT YOU WANT PRIORITIZED, UM, YOU NEED TO DO IT.
NOW, I KNOW THAT SOME OF YOU'RE GONNA WAIT, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE IT IN ORDER TO GET THROUGH THIS AND GET IT TO THE TASK FORCE.
REMEMBER, THERE'S GONNA BE THE CITY'S TECHNICAL, UH, SCORING AND SUGGESTIONS.
UH, AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE YOURS AS A COMMITTEE MEMBER.
AND THEN IF YOU WANNA DIVIDE IT OUT BY YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT'S FINE TOO.
UM, BUT THOSE DECISIONS WILL BE MADE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
DON'T, DON'T THINK THAT THOSE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE AS FAR AS YOUR INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, 'CAUSE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE THE FINAL SAY ON IT.
SO, UM, MORRIS CLUB, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MIC, PLEASE? MORRIS SCHRIER CLUB DISTRICT 12.
JUST TO CONFIRM, I THOUGHT LAST TIME WE HAD THOUGHT THAT 4 85 WAS WHAT WE WOULD PLAN FOR, AND IF WE GOT MORE, THEN THE 50% WAR WOULD BE ALLOCATED.
SO WE DECISION, OUR DECISION SHOULD BE BASED ON A 4 85 BOND AMOUNT FOR EACH DISTRICT.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO, MAURA, WHAT I DID IS, UM, I'M HAPPY TO SHOW YOU WHAT I SUBMITTED IS I SUBMITTED 4 85, AND THEN I SAID, OR 400, AND THEN IF WE GET 4 85, HERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS I'D ADD.
IF WE GET TO FIVE 20, HERE ARE THE PROJECTS I WOULD ADD.
SO I GAVE THEM THAT GROWING LIST, AND I SAID, IF WE GET EVEN MORE THAN THAT, HERE'S MY WISHLIST.
OR IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T SUBMIT, I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THEIR FUNDS.
SO, SO IF I'M JUST, AND SO PER THIS SHEET, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE FOUR 80, I'M STILL GONNA WORK OVER THE 4 85 OF THE, OF THE 12TH, OUR DISTRICT.
SO I SEE STREETS AND ALLEYS, TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS FOR STREETS.
IT IS 5 MILLION, 75, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
I CAN, IF OUR COUNCIL, IF MY COUNCIL PERSON WANTS TO GO ALL IN FOR ALLEYS OR ALL IN FOR SIDEWALKS, SHE CAN MOVE THE SIDEWALKS, THE, THE STREETS AND THE ALLEYS TO ANOTHER CATEGORY, CORRECT? WELL, FOR THE DISTRICTWIDE PROJECT, WHICH IS ALLEYS AND ALSO THE LOCAL DISTRICT, YES.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY CITYWIDE STUFF EXCEPT TWO.
FOR THE DISTRICTWIDE PROJECTS, UH, FROM THE BEGINNING WE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY HAVE THE, UM, I GUESS, AUTHORITY TO MOVE AROUND THINGS AS THEY SEE FIT IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
RIGHT? IF YOU WANT MORE ALLEYS, YOU GONNA SUBTRACT YOUR, UH, STREETS, GIVE IT TO ALLEYS.
IT IS FINE AS LONG AS YOU STAY WITH YOUR BUDGET.
SO THE COMP, SO TO CONFIRM, ALI, LET, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT'S CORRECT.
WE CAN'T MOVE THE SIDEWALK MONEY, CORRECT? SIDEWALK IS CITYWIDE.
YEAH, I'M TALKING ONLY SO STREETWISE ALLEY AND PROJECT.
ONLY BETWEEN ALLEY AND STREETS.
AND STREETS, THE LOCAL STREET, THE ONE THAT IS THERE ARE DISTRICT-WISE, NOT THE MAJOR STREET THAT ARE CITYWIDE.
OH, WAIT, I HAVE ONE MORE QUE I HAVE A QUESTION TOO.
SO IF YOU HAVE NO SIDEWALK MONEY AT ALL IN YOUR DISTRICT, YOU'RE OUT OF LUCK.
WELL, AGAIN, I MEAN, THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF CITYWIDE, RIGHT? I MEAN, FOR SIDEWALK, WE HAVE A SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN THAT WE FOLLOW THE PRIORITY THAT IT WAS, UH, IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN.
SO ASIDE FROM THE BOND PROGRAM, WE ALL, WHENEVER WE HAVE MONEY, EVEN ON OUR, YOU KNOW, YEARLY MAINTENANCE MONEY THAT WE HAVE, WE ASSIGN SOME MONEY FOR THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? IF THIS ONE DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE A MONEY ON THE SIDEWALK AS A PART OF BOND, PROBABLY WE HAVE ADDRESSED THE SIDEWALK AS A PART OF THE PRIORITY AREA THROUGH THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN AND THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND ALREADY.
SO MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY DON'T HAVE IT.
AND C IF THAT IS THE CITYWIDE, THEN THAT'S THE CITYWIDE.
I MEAN, NOT ALL THE STREETS THAT YOU SEE HERE AS A CITYWIDE THAT ALL THE DISTRICTS HAVEN'T, SOME DISTRICT DO, SOME DISTRICTS DON'T, BASICALLY.
SO, SO THAT, AGAIN, TO TO THAT POINT, IF WE HAVE IN MY DISTRICT A SPECIFIC REQUEST FOR SIDEWALKS, AND THAT'S COMING AT, HOW DO I BUDGET FOR THAT? DO I TAKE IT OUT OF MY STREETS AND ALLEYS? OR DO I KNOW THAT IT'S COMING OUT OF A, A CITYWIDE FUND OR, SO BASICALLY, MA I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND IT THOUGH, IF, FOR EXAMPLE, YOUR BUDGET IS $10 MILLION, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT? FOR THE STREETS AND ADDIES, I, I'M JUST THROWING NUMBERS.
AND IF YOUR BUDGET IS THAT, AND YOU SAY, OKAY,
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YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T WANT ALLEYS OR STREETS THAT MUCH.AND ALLOCATE THIS MONEY TO WORK ON A SIDEWALK.
I THINK I'M FINE WITH THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU ARE STAYING WITH YOUR BUDGET FOR THE CITYWIDE THE SIDEWALK AS IS THE, THE PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK THAT WE IDENTIFIED AS A CITYWIDE STAY AS IS.
BUT FOR YOUR DISTRICT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS STREET, FOR EXAMPLE, OR LESS ALLEYS AND MORE SIDEWALKS.
AND I THINK THAT'S OKAY, BUT CHAIR, UH, I NEED YOUR HELP ON THIS.
I SEE WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, SO IF YOU WANT TO MOVE MONEY OUT OF THE STREETS, YOUR STREETS AND YOUR ALLEYS NOT IN SYSTEMWIDE CITYWIDE, UM, TO ALLEYS, YOU CAN DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING LIKE MOVE SIDEWALK MONEY AND YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AND YOU WANT TO MOVE THAT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU COULD, THAT'S A SYSTEM THAT IS SIDEWALKS IS UNTO ITSELF.
SO YOU CAN'T REALLY TOUCH THE SIDEWALK MONEY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? REMEMBER THAT TOO? SIDEWALKS THAT'S ON THEM.
THE CITY WALLS AND THE DISTRICT THINGS.
MAURA, IS THIS AN ISSUE? 'CAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE $3.8 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS.
I WE HAVE UNIMPROVED SIDEWALKS IN OUR DISTRICT.
AND SO THERE'S NO NUMBER FOR HOW MUCH THEY'RE GONNA COST TO PUT THEM IN.
AND THAT'S A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
OH, THAT'S WHAT I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LIGHT OR HEAVY OR WHAT.
I ASSUME WHAT I DON'T, YOU'RE SAYING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE STREET WILL BE DO DONE AT THE SAME TIME.
AND I, AND I, AND I JUST SENT DOLLY AN EMAIL ON THAT.
WHY DON'T YOU HANDLE IT THAT WAY? THEY'RE THROUGH STREETS.
THEY ARE IN PROOF STATE STREETS.
YOU'RE WORKING, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.
WHY DON'T YOU TALK WITH STAFF OFFLINE? 'CAUSE IT REALLY IS A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE.
'CAUSE THERE ARE UNIMPROVED STREETS, SO THERE'S NO CURBING GUTTER.
NOT ON THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN.
ARE THEY UN STREETS OR UNIMPROVED SIDEWALKS? ARE THEY MISSING SIDEWALKS OR UN SIDEWALK STREETS MISSING SIDEWALKS.
BUT IT'S, PLUS IT'S AN UNIMPROVED STREET.
UM, DRAINAGE IS A PROBLEM WITH, I'VE HAD THIS HAPPEN WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL, RIGHT? BUT UNIMPROVED STREETS CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH THE STREET'S BUDGET, BUT MISSING SIDEWALKS IS SEPARATE.
SO, UH, SIDEWALK BUDGET IS SEPARATE AND MISSING SIDEWALKS IS PART OF THE SIDEWALK MASTER PLAN, AND IT'S PART OF THE CITYWIDE.
HOWEVER, UNIMPROVED STREET IS PART OF THE LOCAL FUNDS, LIKE PER DISTRICT FUNDS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
SO IF IT'S THE SIDEWALK, IT'S COMING WITH AN UNAPPROVED STREET, IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE PER DISTRICT.
IF IT'S, UH, A MASTER PLAN OR A MISSING SIDEWALK THAT IS PURELY SIDEWALK PROJECT, THEN YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT IT.
AND WE SEE WHAT IS IN THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL FUNDS, UM, SOURCES FOR SIDEWALKS OTHER THAN, UM, THE BOND AS WELL.
THE, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT IS THAT THIS IS A CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED, LIKE LEVELLAND, IT'S CURRENTLY UNIMPROVED RECONSTRUCTION NEEDED FOR C AND G.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT C AND G IS CURB.
DRAINAGE, SIDEWALKS AND LIGHTING.
SO I SAID IT IS AN UNIMPROVED STREET.
FOR UNIMPROVED STREET, WE CANNOT ADD SIDEWALK BECAUSE THE UNIMPROVED STREET HAS A BARAGE ON THE SIDE THAT IT CARRIES THE WATER.
IF YOU ADD SIDEWALK, YOU'RE GONNA FEEL IT.
RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY RECONSTRUCT THE STREET, AND IT HAS TO BE GO, UH, IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE DESIGN, ENGINEERING ANALYSIS, DRAINAGE, INSTALLATION, UTILITIES AND ALL THESE THINGS.
AND THEN ADD THE CURB AND GUTTER, AND THEN ADD SIDEWALK.
UH, TYPICALLY WE DON'T ADD SIDEWALK TO THE UNIMPROVED STREET ITSELF.
THIS IS GONNA BE A BIG PROBLEM, BY THE WAY.
THIS, THIS IS NOT THE FIRST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS EITHER.
WELL, I MEAN, I BELIEVE FROM THE BEGINNING WE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, UNIMPROVED STREET IS THE SIDEWALK IS KIND OF IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE IT.
WHAT THING THAT I CAN MAYBE RECOMMEND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BUDGET FOR YOUR, UH, STREETS, RIGHT? SO MAYBE REMOVE THE IMPROVED STREETS AND ADD THE UNIMPROVED STREET THAT YOU NEED, SIDEWALK.
THAT IN THAT CASE YOU ALSO ADDRESS THE STREET.
WE'RE GONNA RECONSTRUCT THE STREET.
AND ALSO WE'RE GONNA RECONSTRUCT OR CONSTRUCT THE, UM, SIDEWALK.
SO WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING, SINCE THIS IS AN UNIMPROVED STREET WITHOUT A SIDEWALK, WE HAVE TO GET A NEW STREET AND A SIDEWALK ADDED THEN.
SO WE'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT THE SIDEWALK.
THE SCOPE AND THE COST INCLUDES THE SIDEWALK ALSO, AND DRAINAGE AND OTHER THINGS FOR AN IMPROVED STREET FOR UNIMPROVED STREETS, WHEN AN UNIMPROVED STREET GETS IMPROVED.
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OKAY.THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I THINK PORSCHE HAS QUESTION TWO.
AND THEN LET'S MOVE ON SO WE CAN HEAR THE REST OF SHAHAN.
DO YOU HAVE MORGAN, YOUR PRESENTATION OR NOT? I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE RECEIVED LIST AND HOW ARE WE DOING, HOW ARE WE WORKING ON THOSE? HOW HAVE WE WORKED ON THOSE? YEAH, WE DO NEED TO ORGANIZE THAT.
UH, PORSCHE GREER, DISTRICT THREE.
I HAVE AN UNIMPROVED STREET THAT DOES NOT HAVE ANY DRAINAGE.
AND THE STREET WHERE THE, THAT DEAD ENDS INTO THE UNIMPROVED STREET, THAT'S WHERE THE WATER COLLECTS WHEN WE HAVE THESE HUGE RAINSTORMS. SO NOT AS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IS STREET DEPARTMENT DO, DO THE CURB AND GUTTER? WELL, THE STREET IS ACTUALLY PART OF PUBLIC WORKS.
UM, THERE'S NO STREET DEPARTMENT ANYMORE.
IT USED TO BE ACTUALLY STREET DEPARTMENT.
UH, I GUESS THE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON UNIMPROVED STREETS.
UNIMPROVED STREETS WE'RE NOT PART OF THE NEEDS INVENTORY PRE, PREVIOUSLY.
AND, UH, THE REASON FOR THAT WAS THAT THERE WAS, THE CITY HAD A PROCESS CALLED, UH, STREET PETITION AS A PART OF A STREET PETITION.
YOU KNOW, UH, RESIDENTS WERE SIGNING THE PETITION AGREEMENT AND ASKING FOR THE STREET TO BE IMPROVED AND ALL THESE THINGS.
SO THAT ACTUALLY PROCESS IS GONE.
THE, THE COUNCIL, UH, REVOKED THAT PROCESS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE STREET PETITION, WE DON'T HAVE ALI PETITION ANYMORE.
UM, AND AS A RESULT, WE PUT ALL THE UNIMPROVED STREETS ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
RIGHT? AND THAT'S WHAT WE, UM, CREATED FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE BARN.
WE CREATED THAT CATEGORY AS UNIMPROVED, STRAIGHT CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UH, BASED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SELECT THAT CATEGORY OR IF THERE IS A PROJECT THAT YOU WANT THAT TO GET IMPROVED, IF YOU SELECT THAT AS YOUR PRIORITY, WE'RE GONNA CONSTRUCT IT.
WE'RE GONNA ADD DRAINAGE IF IT'S NEEDED, OF COURSE.
AND WE'RE GONNA ADD SIDEWALK AS A PART OF IT.
THE DRAINAGE IS REALLY NEEDED.
THE DRAINAGE, IF IT'S NEEDED AGAIN, AND THE STREET THAT IT, THAT DEAD ENDS INTO THE UNIMPROVED STREET IS KEITH CREST.
I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE STREETS.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU AN EXAMPLE.
THAT'S ABSOLUTELY, I'M CONCERNED.
THE THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S GOING THROUGH THE ENGINEERING DESIGN, THEY'RE GONNA ANALYZE THE DRAINAGE, THE WATER AND WASTEWATER AND ALL THESE THINGS, ALL THE UTILITY, THEY'RE GONNA GET ANALYZED AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS NEED, UH, THEY'RE GONNA ADD IT TO THE SCOPE OF WORK.
ETHAN, DO YOU WANNA, CAN I MAKE AN OBSERVATION BEFORE WE MOVE ON CITYWIDE? YEAH.
UM, I HAD SHARED A SPREADSHEET EARLIER.
SORRY, BEFORE WE GO TO THAT ONE, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, CANDACE HITTON WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING TO THAT UNIMPROVED.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY 90% OF THE STREETS ARE UNIMPROVED.
WHEN THEY GET IMPROVED, THEY WILL HAVE THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE BARRED DITCHES ON BOTH SIDES.
THE PROFILE WILL BE LOWERED, THE BARRED DITCHES WILL GO AWAY AND WILL HAVE A DRAINING SYSTEM.
SO I WOULD SAY 90% OF THE STREETS WILL HAVE A DRAINING SYSTEM.
ALSO, SO JUST ON CITYWIDE, I DID, UM, SOME PIVOT TABLES AND THINGS TO LOOK AT THE DATA.
AND I THINK IT IS WORTH NOTING AS THIS BOND GOES OUT TO TRY AND GET APPROVAL, AND THE VOTES NEEDED FOR THIS TO BE APPROVED, THAT FOR CITYWIDE PROJECTS YOU HAVE 76.7% OF TOTAL FUNDS GOING INTO ONLY FOUR DISTRICTS, 1, 2, 6, AND SEVEN.
AND THAT MIGHT CAUSE AN ISSUE WHEN WE GO TO GET THIS APPROVED, THAT THESE DISTRICTS ARE GETTING A DI SIGNIFICANTLY DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT OF THE FUNDS.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT FROM THAT ANGLE WHEN YOU'RE CHOOSING CITYWIDE PROJECTS, BUT I DO THINK IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TIME TO VOTE FOR THIS.
'CAUSE THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN ALMOST ALL DISTRICTS IS STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION.
AND YOU ARE TAKING HALF OF THE STREETS AND ALLEYS BUDGET AND USING IT FOR CITYWIDE AND THEN FUNNELING IT INTO FOUR DISTRICTS.
UM, AS PART OF OUR PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED METHODOLOGY FOR SCORING PROJECTS, WE DO NOT CONSIDER, UH, LIKE EQUAL FUNDING AMOUNTS PER DISTRICT.
YEAH, I, I'LL ADD ON TO CAN'S POINT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE DID WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT OUR BREAKDOWNS, RIGHT, OF EVERY DISTRICT GETTING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THE IN-DISTRICT PROJECTS, AND THEN HAVING THE SCORING, UM, MECHANISM FORMULA BEING, YOU KNOW, DIVIDING THE REST OF IT UP.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET ALLOCATION PER CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, BRIDGES EXIST, THEY'RE GETTING DONE, THEY'RE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS AND THAT'S GONNA SKEW THE, THE FIGURES TOWARDS THOSE PARTICULAR DISTRICTS.
BUT THE, BUT, BUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS, IS THOSE DISTRICTS GETTING THE BRIDGES ARE ALSO GETTING ALL OF THE OTHER MONEY AND ALL THE OTHER CATEGORIES.
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LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT DISTRICT SIX AND SEVEN, I MEAN DISTRICT FIVE, WHERE I'M FROM, GRADY MCGANN, DISTRICT FIVE, RIGHT ABOVE THAT HAS BASICALLY NOTHING IN ANY OF THESE COLUMNS AT ALL, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PARTNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE.AND THEN SOME TRAFFIC LIGHTS, THAT'S IT, RIGHT? YOU LOOK AT THE DISTRICTS DIRECTLY BELOW THAT, IT'S 30 MILLION, 20 MILLION, 16 MILLION, AND JUST MILLIONS IN EACH CAN, EACH CATEGORY.
SO I I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A LITTLE MORE OF A REBALANCE.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF CITYWIDE PROJECTS IN THERE.
I MEAN, SCANNING THROUGH THIS LIST OF CITYWIDE PROJECTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED, THERE'S BASICALLY NOTHING IN, IN DISTRICT FIVE BESIDES SOME TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
AND I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO, AND, AND ONE POINT SPECIFICALLY IS THAT THE MILITARY PARKWAY FORNEY TO BUCKNER COMPLETE STREETS PROJECT ASKING FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.
I MEAN, THAT'S A FOUR MILE LONG STRETCH OF ROAD, AND THE STUDY ITSELF COSTS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
SO I MEAN, A MILLION DOLLARS TOWARDS THAT IS REALLY WHATEVER THAT PLAN MAY BE, WHICH THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFICALLY, WE HAD A $300,000 ALLOTMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS BOND TO DO SOMETHING ON MILITARY.
AND WE DECIDED AS A COMMUNITY TO INVEST THAT MONEY AND HAVING A STUDY DONE SO THAT WE COULD, SINCE IT WAS GONNA BE DONE AND BE REDONE CORRECTLY, AND A MILLION DOLLARS ISN'T GONNA GET ANYWHERE CLOSE TO DOING WHATEVER COMES OUTTA THAT STUDY.
SO JUST CURIOUS WHERE THAT NUMBER COMES FROM SPECIFICALLY.
YES, I CAN RESPOND TO MILITARY PARKWAY.
SO THE, THAT CAME FROM, ESSENTIALLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE RECOMMENDED IN THAT STUDY, UH, BUT WE DO KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A HIGHER COST PROJECT.
UM, THERE IS, THERE WILL BE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER AFTER THAT STUDY.
SO I THINK AT LEAST A MILLION DOLLARS.
SO WE THINK IF WE CAN AT LEAST GET TO $2 MILLION, THAT SHOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD START WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN TO AT LEAST THEN SET THINGS UP FOR, UM, FUTURE FUNDING.
'CAUSE THE STUDY IS WHAT, 300,000? IS THAT THE, WAS THAT THE NUMBER THAT THAT WENT OUT FOR? UH, I THINK IT'S ABOUT 500,000.
SO WE'RE, SO WE HAD A MILLION DOLLARS USING HALF OF THAT MONEY JUST TO HAVE THE STUDY DONE TO, TO TELL US, LIKE, AND, AND THERE, AND THAT WENT OUT TO R F P AND IT'S COME BACK AND THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES WITH FINDING SOMEONE TO, TO DO THAT STUDY, CORRECT? CORRECT.
YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE GONNA SPEND $500,000 JUST COME WITH A PLAN.
I DON'T, I, I DON'T THINK A MILLION AND A HALF, EVEN IF WE GET IT, IS GONNA COVER THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF WHAT NO, IT WOULD NOT COVER THE CONSTRUCTION.
IT'S JUST INTENDED TO BE A STARTER FOR DESIGN.
ANYBODY ELSE WANNA SPEAK? JENNIFER? PATTY? I JUST WANNA ADDRESS CANDACE'S POINT AND GRADY'S POINT LAST NIGHT AT THE DISTRICT 12 BUDGET MEETING, THERE WAS, UH, COUNCILMAN MENDELSSOHN MENTIONED THAT FROM A STANDPOINT OF, OF FAIRNESS TO THE WHOLE CITY, THERE'S A UNIFORM STANDARD, LIKE FOR CODE FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
AND THEN EACH DISTRICT IS WHERE DO THEY STAND RELATIVE TO THAT MINIMUM STANDARD FOR THE CITY.
SO WE CAN SEE ARE OUR ROADS IN A DISTRICT SO SUBSTANDARD THAT THEY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? AND IT'S THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER JUST BASED ON THE CONDITION OF THE STREET.
I MEAN, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ROAD CONDITION, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE CARE ABOUT.
WELL, I TAKE A STAB AT THE, ANSWERING THIS QUESTION.
I GUESS THE CONDITION IS ALWAYS THE CASE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE P C I WAS A PART OF ALL THE TECHNICAL CRITERIA FOR STREETWIDE AND, AND NOT A STREETWIDE PROJECT.
SO IT WAS ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, FACTOR IN, IN THE CALCULATION.
UH, SOMETHING TO MENTION HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF SERVICES, UH, EVEN FOR US PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT THAT WE DON'T STAY WITH ANY DISTRICT.
FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE RECEIVE, UH, OUR OPERATING, UM, BUDGET THAT WE HAVE AND OUR, UM, STREET OPERATION TEAM THAT WE HAVE, THEY GO ALL OVER THE PLACE, DO EVERYTHING UNIFORMLY AND THE ENTIRE CITY, UH, SUCH AS STREET REPAIR, ALLEY REPAIRS, CURB, GUTTERS, SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS IS A CITYWIDE, UH, PROCESS THAT WE HAVE.
HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PLANNING FOR THE BOND, WHAT WE DECIDED, OR WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO REMOVE THE SUBJECTIVITY OUT OF THE, UM, PROCESS, RIGHT? TO STAY WITH THE DATA-DRIVEN DECISION MAKING THAT WE CAN BACK IT UP AND SAY, OKAY, THESE ARE BASED ON CERTAIN CRITERIA, THESE ARE BASED ON CERTAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS, UM, DATA OR INFORMATION OR SOMETHING THAT WE GATHER.
SO THE REST IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR Y'ALL TO DECIDE IF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THE ONE THAT YOUR, UH, DISTRICT ACTUALLY NEED THEM OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, OR, OR IS IT IMPACTFUL, IMPORTANT TO YOUR DISTRICT OR NOT? THAT'S, WE ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO HEAR FROM Y'ALL ON, ON THAT REGARD, BUT AGAIN, FOR US, WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE A TOOL FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE IN CASE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER DATA TO, UM, GO BY.
AND AGAIN, WE TRY TO REMOVE THE
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SUBJECTIVITY AND STAY WITH THE DATA, STAY WITH THE INFORMATION, AND STAY WITH THE PACK.AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS PLANNING, BASICALLY.
DO YOU STILL HAVE THE, UM, IT'S A MAP.
IT'S A, IT'S A MAP OF THE WHOLE CITY AND, AND, AND IT DIVIDED UP BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND IT TELLS YOU HOW MANY, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR STREETS MEET A SUFFICIENCY OF LIKE 70 OR 80%.
THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST TO SEND OUT TO EVERYBODY.
NOW WE USED TO DO IT WHEN I WAS THERE, A THROUGH F, RIGHT? SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR, OF YOUR DISTRICT HAD D AND F STREETS.
AN ADEQUATE STREET IN THOSE DAYS WAS A C IF I RECALL.
I THINK THE D'S AND F'S WERE THE ONES THAT WE HAD TO WE, THAT WE HAD TO, UH, ADDRESS.
THEY'VE TAKEN IT OUT FURTHER TO GIVE YOU A SCORE OF NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, AN A, B, C, D, AND F, BUT AN ACTUAL NUMERIC SCORE GIVEN A NUMBER OF A NUMBER OF THINGS.
AND I THINK THAT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE THE COUNCIL WAS SAYING, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, I WANT THIS TO BE BASED TOTALLY ON DATA.
AND SO WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR, IF YOUR DISTRICT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF STREETS IN IT THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WAY BACK WHEN A D OR AN F OR IN THIS CASE IT DOESN'T RISE, IT'S, IT HAS A LOW SCORE, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING, HAS A LOW SCORE WITH THOSE, THOSE ARE GOOD STREETS.
THEN THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL THE LAST TIME WAS ASKING FOR WAS THAT PURE DATA.
I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, I WASN'T THERE, BUT I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONVERSATION, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONVERSATION WAS.
SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT DO WE HAVE THESE STREET, YOU KNOW, DOES MY DISTRICT HAVE EQUAL AMOUNT OF MONEY AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
WHICH IS A TOTALLY LEGITIMATE THING TO SAY BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAS TAXPAYERS AND THEY ALL PAY PROPORTIONATELY, RIGHT? ACCORDING TO THEIR, ACCORDING TO THEIR PROPERTY TAX AND, AND SALES TAX.
AND, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT IS THAT IF THIS WAS JUST A DATA-DRIVEN DECISION, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A COMMITTEE AND WE WOULDN'T BE SENDING IT TO A VOTE.
AND PEOPLE DON'T VOTE BASED OFF OF DATA, RIGHT? LIKE NOT ENTIRELY.
WE'D HAVE MUCH OF DIFFERENT ELECTIONS IF THAT'S, THAT'S ALL IT WAS.
SO THERE WAS A REPORT PUT OUT IN JANUARY THAT LOOKS AT THE P C I BY DISTRICT AND THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO GET EVERYBODY KIND OF UP INTO THE MID SIXTIES, LET'S CALL IT.
THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS I'M IN THE RED BOX DISTRICT 13 WITH A 56% OVERALL.
P C I, DISTRICT SIX HAS A 63 P C I, SO THEY'RE IN THE GREEN BUCKET, BUT YET THEY'RE GETTING MORE OF THE CITYWIDE FUNDS.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE CITYWIDE DISTRIBUTION, IT IS NOT FOLLOWING WHERE THE GREATEST NEED IS BY THE OVERALL P C I OBJECTIVE MATTER BY THE OVERALL NEEDS MA DATA THAT YOU'VE COLLECTED.
SO I'M JUST STRUGGLING WHEN YOU GO TO DECIDE CITYWIDE, I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THIS IS FOR VERY LARGE PROJECTS LIKE DECK BRIDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHERE THE MONEY SHOULD BE GOING RIGHT NOW VERSUS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS? UM, I DON'T WANNA, UH, AVOID, I I WAS JUST GONNA ADD, IT COULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT, UM, P C I DATA BY DISTRICT, BY OR ARTERIALS, BECAUSE I THINK THAT MAKES A, A BIG DIFFERENCE.
AND CITYWIDE PROJECTS ARE INTENDED TO BE PRIMARILY SORT OF ARTERIAL TYPE PROJECTS.
UM, SO IT COULD BE DIFFERENT FOR DISTRICTS BASED ON, 'CAUSE A LOT OF OUR, YOU KNOW, UH, LOCAL STREETS ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ASPHALT, UH, WHICH ARE TEND TO HAVE WORSE PAVEMENT CONDITION, UM, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, THE OTHER THING I JUST WANNA ADD ABOUT THIS.
SO THE DATA I AM, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT PEOPLE DON'T MAKE, UM, DON'T BA VOTE BASED ON DATA.
AND THAT THE DATA IS JUST INTENDED TO BE A TOOL TO HELP YOU ALL SEE BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, OBJECTIVE CRITERIA, WHAT PROJECTS WOULD ADVANCE THE MOST CITYWIDE GOALS, WHAT PROJECTS ARE ON OUR HIGH INJURY NETWORK PLUS OUR NEAR A RAIL STATION AND PROMOTE T O D PLUS, UM, HELP ADVANCE OUR EQUITY GOALS PLUS HELP ADVANCE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GOALS.
SO IT'S DATA IS JUST A TOOL, BUT ULTIMATELY THAT'S WHY YOU ALL ARE HERE.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST WITH REGARD TO THE DATA, ONE OF THE COLUMNS THAT TO ME THAT IS MISSING IS THE ACTUAL COLUMN OF THIS IS THE TOTAL OF CITYWIDE MONEY THAT'S GOING EACH DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHAT CANDACE HAD TO CREATE, RIGHT? THAT'S JUST EMBEDDED, IT'S FOLDED INTO THE BREAKDOWN ALSO WITH THE ALLEYS AND STREETS MONEY BECAUSE THOSE PERCENTAGES WOULD BE EXTREMELY LOW LOOKING, RIGHT? I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T ON PURPOSE, BUT LIKE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT, 'CAUSE I'M HAVING TO CALCULATE IT OVER HERE TO SEE THAT DISTRICT FOUR WOULD GET $2 MILLION OF THE CITYWIDE MONEY VERSUS DISTRICT SIX, WHICH WOULD GET $57 MILLION TO
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BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY BREAK THAT DOWN AND SEE IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE LAST PAGE, BECAUSE LAST PAGE HAS THE TOTAL WITH THE PERCENTAGE AS WELL AND YOU CAN COMPARE THE DISTRICT DIRECTLY TO EACH OTHER, RIGHT? THAT PERCENTAGE INCLUDES NOT JUST THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CITYWIDE MONEY, BUT THE C THE THE BUDGET PER CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT AS WELL ADDED INTO IT, RIGHT? THIS IS FOR EVERYTHING.I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE CITYWIDE ONLY IS.
'CAUSE I'M LOOKING HERE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, I KNOW SHE, I'M SAYING CANDACE HAD TO MAKE THAT, WHICH IS WHAT I'M SEEING, WHICH IS WHEN WE SEE THESE LIKE 23% FOR ONE DISTRICT AND 0.2% FOR ANOTHER DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHERE THE MASSIVE IMBALANCE COMES IN.
RIGHT? I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THESE TWO.
IS THERE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENCE IN THESE NUMBERS AND THESE NUMBERS? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IN THE BEGINNING OR NO, JUST CURIOUS.
THE ONLY CHANGE WE DID IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING WAS TO THE CITYWIDE LOCATION.
SO PER DISTRICT WAS GONNA STAY THE SAME NO DIFFERENCE.
YEAH, BECAUSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING, THE PER DISTRICT NUMBERS HERE, AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT THE TOTAL IS MM-HMM.
SO WHEN WE GET TO THE PERCENTAGES IN THE END, IT'S, THIS IS THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE.
BUT IT, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE LOOKING AT JUST THE CITYWIDE PERCENTAGES TELLS US SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING OR LOOKING AT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
UH, 1, 1, 1 THING JUST TO CLARIFY FOR OUR END, I MEAN WE DID THIS JUST BECAUSE IT GOT REQUESTED.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK ALSO, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH CANDACE, UM, OFFLINE, AND SHE TOOK, SHE ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SHE REQUESTED, THE BREAKDOWN.
HOWEVER, THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT, IT'S A CITYWIDE AND THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED CITYWIDE.
IF IT WAS LIKE, IF IT WAS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE PER DISTRICT, A SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE, THAT'S GONNA BE BREAKDOWN PER PER DISTRICT IT WAS GONNA, WAS NOT GONNA CALL CITYWIDE.
UM, WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER HERE.
SO JENNIFER AND THEN PATTY, UH, JENNIFER GRANT FROM DISTRICT SEVEN.
I JUST HAD A HOPEFULLY QUICK QUESTION ON TRAFFIC SIGNALS ON, ON THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN UPGRADE AND WARRANTED AND WHERE THOSE ARE FUNDED.
SO THIS HAS WARRANTED SIGNALS AND THE SECOND PAGE OF THIS SPREADSHEET HAS THE MONEY FOR WARRANTED, AND THAT MATCHES WHAT I SUBMITTED.
BUT MY QUESTION IS, THERE'S NOTHING UNDER TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES.
SO WHERE DOES THE UPGRADE LIST COME FROM? DOES IT COME FROM OUR DISTRICTS HALF OF THE MONEY? OR IS THE UP TRAFFIC SIGNAL UPGRADES COMING FROM CITYWIDE? I CAN ANSWER, UH, LET'S, YEAH, THE ALL TRAFFIC SIGNALS ARE CONSIDERED CITYWIDE.
SO I MEAN, UM, THE UPGRADE LIST IS A LIST OF OUR, UM, OF ALL THE SIGNALS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, 70% OF THOSE NEED TO BE UPGRADED AND THEN USING VARIOUS CRITERIA WE RANK THEM.
AND WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO GET OTHER BONDS TO BASICALLY REPLACE THEM.
SO BY THE TIME THE BOND ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IS ISSUED, WE MIGHT HAVE MONEY FOR A COUPLE, COUPLE OF THEM TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE A LIST, PER SE, OF SPECIFIC PROJECTS, BUT WE CAN ATTACH OUR LIST AS IT IS TODAY FOR YOUR REFERENCE.
I JUST WANTED, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
SO IT'S BEING IN A SEPARATE COLUMN AND YOU DON'T HAVE A LIST OF THE UPGRADES, LIKE YOU HAVE A LIST OF WARRANTED.
SO HOW WOULD I, OTHER THAN SUBMITTING TO YOU, YOU KNOW, MY TOP TWO TRAFFIC SIGNALS TO UPGRADE, HOW COULD I FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHETHER IN FACT THEY WOULD BE INCLUDED? UH, LET'S DO THIS.
WE'LL SEND YOU THE LIST THAT WE HAVE, UH, THE RANKED LIST OF THE TOP 100.
AND THEN, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCORES AND SEE WHICH ONES YOU, YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, PATTY AND THEN DARREN, I'VE COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN WHAT MY THOUGHT WAS BY THE TIME YOU GOT TO ME.
I DO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, PATTY, IN CASE THIS TRIGGERS YOUR MEMORY.
THE PEOPLE THAT CAME IN THE LAST TIME ABOUT THE HARRY HINES, YOU KNOW, IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, DID YOU EVER FIGURE OUT IF THAT WAS ACTUALLY, CAN I ASK THE STAFF WHAT IT'S CALLED? GREEN PARK? GREEN PARK.
THIS IS THE, THE GREEN U UT SOUTHWESTERN PORTION OF HARRY HINES.
IT'S THE JUST THE STREET ONE ON THE LIST.
IT WASN'T OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UH, IT, IT WAS ADDED TO THE NEEDS INVENTORY LATE.
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I THINK THE LATEST ROUND WITH, UM, THAT HAS THE, THE EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT HAS THOSE DIFFERENT CITYWIDE CATEGORIES HAS IT IN THERE UNDER PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS PERSPECTIVE.UM, IT IS, IT WOULD LIKE, UH, REDO THE INTERCHANGE OF, UH, INWOOD AND HARRY HINES WITH LIKE A PARK OVER THE TOP OF IT.
RIGHT? NO, I'M, I'M JUST CONCERNED, I'M CONCERNED WITH THE STREET.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I I DO KNOW, I I WAS OVER THERE AND I DID NOTICE THAT FROM KOREATOWN WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE ENDING THE IMPROVEMENT OF HARRY HEINZ TO THE CLOVERLEAF, UH, IS, UM, I WAS SURPRISED SHE DIDN'T TAKE IT TO THE CLOVERLEAF, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S, IT IT'S THE ADDITIONAL PROJECT.
UM, YEAH, MAYBE SO I, THE, THE, I I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WAS PRETTY ROUGH.
SEE, I TOLD YOU IT WOULD TRIGGER SOMETHING.
UM, PATTY SIMON, DISTRICT TWO.
UM, SO, AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE YOU GUYS OFF THIS OTHER CONVERSATION OF THESE OTHER SHEETS, BUT THE WORD DOCUMENT, YOU KNOW, OOPS, SORRY, WHERE AFTER MY MEETING FRIDAY EVENING WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO, HE THREW AT ME ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ON THE NEEDS LIST.
AM I SUPPOSED TO CHOP THINGS OFF AND SAY HOW WE'RE COMING UP WITH THIS MONEY? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HE IS GONNA HAVE TO FIGHT FOR AND FIGURE OUT WHAT HE WANTS TO CUT? I THINK IT WOULD BE I IDEAL TO START DOING IT IN THIS, UM, SETTING SO THAT WAY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO FIGHT AMONGST OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY BECAUSE THESE ARE CITYWIDE PROJECTS, UH, I THINK THEY WOULD NEED TO BE FOUGHT AMONGST ALL THE, ALL THE DISTRICTS.
JUST TO ADD SOMETHING TO WHAT JUST CATHERINE SAID, I I THINK MAYBE TONIGHT WE ALSO HAVE TO, UM, I GUESS GET THE CONSENT FROM ALL THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THE CITYWIDE PROJECT BECAUSE WE ALREADY APPROVED THE 50% FOR CITYWIDE.
I, I, I THINK THAT'S A GIVEN NOW BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING, BUT WE HAVE A LIST OF CITYWIDE PROJECTS, RIGHT, THAT IS RECOMMENDED.
SO WHETHER IT'S GOOD OR IS BAD, THIS IS THE LIST THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONSENT BECAUSE THIS IS CITYWIDE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ONE, UM, DISTRICT.
IT HAS TO BE THE WHOLE ENTIRE, UH, REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO BE MAYBE MAKE A MOTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SAYING, OKAY, THEY ALL AGREE OR THEY DON'T AGREE, OR IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THAT ONE AND THEY WANNA ADD OR SUBTRACT, THEN WE HAVE TO STAY STILL WITH THE 50% BECAUSE WE VOTED ON THAT 50% TO STAY, UM, AS IT IS BASICALLY.
I'VE GOT DARREN AND THEN I'VE GOT MORE.
SO, UM, UH, JUST GOING THROUGH THE, THE LIST ON THE 8 21 PAGE, UM, THERE, THERE'S ONE THAT JUST STOOD OUT TO ME THAT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT.
UM, AND DISTRICT 14, THERE'S A NEW TRAFFIC SIGNAL THAT'S TO BE INSTALLED AT HASKELL AND PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, UH, PRIVATE DRIVEWAY DOESN'T SHOW UP ON GOOGLE MAPS, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT IS.
UM, AND I'M WONDERING WHY THE CITY IS HAVING TO SPEND MONEY FOR A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, HASKELL, HONESTLY, UM, I THINK THAT'S A, A GUS QUESTION AND A, UM, WE CAN GET A RESPONSE FOR YOU ON THAT BECAUSE THAT'S
UM, UM, I BELIEVE IT RELATES TO, UH, DEVELOPMENT, BUT UH, THAT THERE MAY BE SOME COST SHARING OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, I, I WOULD LIKE, WELL, IT'S, IT'S BUDGETED FOR THE SAME AMOUNT AS ALL THE OTHER TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
AND IF THIS IS A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, THEN WHY ISN'T THE DEVELOPER PAYING FOR IT IF THEY WANT A TRAFFIC LIGHT? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR, TYPICALLY THEY DO, AND THAT 6 55 IS JUST A NUMBER THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE REALLY DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS WILL COST UNLESS WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE THE DESIGN.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE JUST PUT IN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SAME AMOUNT FOR EVERYONE.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, I MEAN, THE ONLY TIME THE CITY WILL PARTICIPATE IN, UH, INSTALLING A SIGNAL HERE AT A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY IS WHEN THE DEVELOPER ALSO PARTICIPATES.
USUALLY THERE'S SOME COMPLEX YEAH, THEY USE FORMULAS TO SEE WHAT PERCENT OF THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, UH, THE DEVELOPER SHOULD PAY FOR AND THE CITY.
SO I MEAN, IF IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE THE ARBORETUM OR A HOSPITAL OR A SCHOOL, IT COULD BE A SCHOOL THAT MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
BUT, UM, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD BE CALLED PRIVATE DRIVEWAY
UH, WELL, IF IT'S GONNA BE ON THE CITY LIST, IT WOULD
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BE GREAT IF WE HAD SOME KIND OF NOTE IN THERE IDENTIFYING SURE.IF YOU COULD GET DARREN THAT INFORMATION.
I HAVE, UH, MAURA AND THEN BEVERLY, JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
MAURA SCHRIER FLEMING, DISTRICT 12, DOES IT EXIST THE DATA TO HAVE EACH DISTRICT, AND I GUESS IT WOULD BE ARTERIAL STREETS AND ABOVE THE SCORE, SO WE WOULD SEE IN DISTRICT ONE THERE WERE 25 A'S 65 B'S, TWO C'S, 50 D'S, JUST SOMETHING LIKE, NOT AN OVERALL AVERAGE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF D'S AND A COUPLE OF A'S, THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S AN AVERAGE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE STREETS THAT ARE TRULY POOR STREETS.
DOES THAT EXIST? YEAH, I'M I'M ASSUMING YOU ARE REFERRING TO P C I, RIGHT? THE CONDITION.
UM, BUT, BUT IT WOULD BE, YOU SEE WHAT, WHAT WHAT LINDA WAS TALKING ABOUT AN A SCORE, AN A IS PROBABLY A P C I OF A 80 TO A HUNDRED AND A B IS A 60 TO 80.
SO HOW MANY A'S ARE THERE, HOW MANY B'S ARE THERE? HOW MANY C'S, HOW MANY DS? I MEAN THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO SEE IN OUR DISTRICT KIND OF AN OVERALL GLANCE.
BUT I BELIEVE THE, THE EXCEL FILE THAT WE PROVIDED A WHILE BACK, UH, THE MASTER LIST OF THE AL THE IS AND UM, DATA, IT HAD THE P C I AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A B, C CATEGORY ALSO.
I THINK IT HAD, UH, THAT CATEGORY ALSO ON THE, THERE IT HAD A, B, C, D.
YEAH, IF YOU, NO, IT JUST HAS THE TECHNICAL SCORE.
IT DIDN'T SAY A, B, C, D, BUT YOU COULD SORT IT AND GROUP IT AND I CAN NO, WE CAN, WE CAN ADD THE A, B, C, D TO IT.
YEAH, WE CAN ADD THE A, B, C, D TO IT.
IF, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE, I THOUGHT IT HAD, BECAUSE THE ONE THAT WE, MAYBE I SEE THE INTERNAL EXCEL FILE, MAYBE THIS WASN'T THE ONE THAT WE SENT, BUT UH, WE CAN ADD THE A, B, C, D TO THE EXCEL FILE AND A P C P C I SCORE IS THE HIGH SCORE IS A GOOD STREET, RIGHT? A TECHNICAL SCORE, A HIGH SCORE IS A BAD STREET, RIGHT.
UH, BEVERLY, THANK YOU BEVERLY MENDOZA, DISTRICT ONE.
MY QUESTION IS ON THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS AND THE ALLOCATIONS THAT YOU'VE DETERMINED FOR EACH PROJECT THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING.
UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD, MIGHT BE HELPFUL IS UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN, SAY FOR PEAK LEMON HASKELL TO PERRY, THAT FIRST ONE, RIGHT? WHAT DOES DOES THAT MAKE THE PROJECT COMPLETE? THE 22 MILLION? UM, IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ON COMMERCE SAY THREE TO THREE LINES DOWN IN DISTRICT 14 COMMERCE, UM, YOU'VE GOT A $1.5 MILLION, UM, ALLOCATION RECOMMENDATION.
HOW FAR ALONG DOES THAT GET YOU INTO THAT PROJECT? UM, JEFFERSON, YOU KNOW, HAMPTON TO POLK, YOU'VE GOT THE DESIGN OF A COMPLETE STREET PROJECT.
UM, AND SO I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT HOW, HOW FAR ALONG TO COMPLETION DO THESE, THESE ALLOCATIONS GET, THESE, GET THESE PROJECTS? IS IT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT EVERYTHING IS COMPLETE.
UM, BUT THAT'S REALLY, YOU UNDERSTAND MY MY QUESTION? YES, YES.
UM, SO TYPICALLY WHATEVER IS DESCRIBED IN THE DESCRIPTION IS WHAT WOULD BE DONE AS PART OF THAT PROJECT.
UM, I AM NOW REALIZING THAT WITH THE COMMERCE LANE TO ST.
PAUL, WE BASIC, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PART OF A BIGGER PROJECT FOR COMMERCE.
UM, BUT FOR BUDGETING PURPOSES, WE BASICALLY CUT THAT DOWN TO THE HIGHEST AND GREATEST NEED AND THE BARE SORT OF MINIMUM.
SO MOSTLY WHAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE IS EXTENDING THE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE OF, FOR ONE BLOCK AND REPAINTING THE ROAD TO FIX A LANE JOG THAT CURRENTLY FORCES ALL TRAFFIC IN ONE OF THE LANES DIRECTLY INTO A PARKING LANE AND CAUSES LIKE HUGE AMOUNTS OF CONGESTION EVERY DAY ON COMMERCE.
UM, SO, BUT WHEREAS PEAK LEMON HAS GOLD PERRY, THAT ONE INVOLVES UPGRADING, I THINK FOUR SIGNAL, FOUR SIGNALS AND PARTIAL UPGRADES TO THREE.
UM, AND INVOLVES, UM, IMPROVING, UM, THE PAVEMENT AS NEEDED BECAUSE IT HAS A LOT OF, UM, HIGH SCORING RESURFACING NEEDS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
IT INCLUDES MONEY, UM, TOWARDS SIDEWALKS OR, UM, I THINK SOME LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS FOR, FOR, UM, STREET TREES.
AND THEN FOR, UH, AS DESCRIBED A, UM, TWO-WAY CYCLE TRACK.
SO LET'S CONTINUE ON WITH THAT EXAMPLE.
ON THE PEAK LEMON, UH, EXAMPLE,
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THE 22 MILLION ALLOCATED, UM, FOR DISTRICTS TWO AND SEVEN, WOULD THAT, WOULD THERE BE ANY NEED GOING FORWARD FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING OR WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT UM, COMPLETE STREET PROJECT BE COMPLETEAND SO WITH THIS ONE WE DID REDUCE, I MEAN THE ORIGINAL COST ESTIMATE WAS, UM, 28, BASICALLY $29 MILLION.
BUT WE WENT BACK THROUGH THAT, UM, PRETTY MUCH SORT OF LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM AGAIN, JUST TO TRY TO WHITTLE DOWN TO THAT, TO THAT 53% WITHOUT SORT OF SACRIFICING A GOOD PROJECT.
SO, UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THAT 22 MILLION CAN GIVE, CAN DELIVER A GOOD PROJECT.
SO WOULD THAT BE UP FOR CONSIDERATION FOR SAY, AN ADDITIONAL 7 MILLION SINCE, YOU KNOW, YOU START OUT WITH 29 MILLION, UM, OR ARE THEY GONNA BE COMPETING NEXT TIME FOR MONEY TO, ON THIS SAME THING? I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS LIKE, ARE, IS THIS ONLY LIKE GET US 75% COMPLETE WHAT WE WANNA DO, UM, RIGHT THERE, OR DO WE WANT, WILL THIS COME GET US TO A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, OUR, WHAT THE GOAL IS FOR C UM, OUR INTENT WAS TO THAT IT WOULD BE A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO THEN FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE JEFFERSON HAMPTON TO POLK COMPLETE STREETS DESIGN, IS THAT, SAY, IS THAT A 10%, YOU GET 10, IS THAT 10% OF THAT? OR YOU DON'T EVEN INCLUDE THAT IN PERCENTAGE SINCE IT'S A DESIGN? UM, NO, WE ACTUALLY DID CALCULATE THAT BY PERCENTAGE.
WHAT IS THE TYPICAL DESIGN? WHAT WAS 15% OF THE TOTAL PROJECT COST FOR DESIGN? SO THAT WOULD FULLY FUND DESIGN AND IT ACCOUNTS FOR 15% BASICALLY OF WHAT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST WOULD BE.
WELL, TO BEVERLY, THANKS THAT, THAT SPARKED A THOUGHT IN MY HEAD THEN REGARDING, WELL FOLLOW UP.
DOES I GET YOU EVERYTHING AND FOLLOW UP ON CATHERINE'S COMMENT LAST TIME IT DIDN'T BECAUSE COLUMBIA COMPLETE STREETS WAS ANYTHING BUT COMPLETE.
AND SO HERE WE ARE STILL NEEDING ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
AND THEN MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS, WELL THEN WE'VE GOT INFLATION AND IT'S COSTING US MORE BY NOT FUNDING IT ALL AT ONCE, BUT TAKE A STEP BACK, WE HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED ON IT YET, SO, SO IT COSTS MORE BECAUSE IT HASN'T STARTED.
SO ARE THESE SHOVEL READY AND TO WHAT EXTENT ARE THEY GONNA COME BACK ASKING FOR MONEY BECAUSE IT ISN'T, THE COSTS HAVE GONE UP, AND ARE WE BETTER OFF BREAKING THESE BIG PROJECTS INTO SMALLER ONES SO THAT THERE'S MORE MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THINGS THAT CAN GET STARTED IN MULTIPLE AREAS? WE GET A BUNCH OF PROJECTS GOING INSTEAD OF ALLOCATING ALL THE MONEY TO ONE PROJECT THAT'S GONNA TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME TO DO.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? UM, YEAH, I CAN, I CAN START WITH THAT ONE.
SO I BELIEVE THE AMOUNT THAT WAS ALLOCATED TO THE COLUMBIA MAIN PROJECT WAS WHAT, LIKE $4.2 MILLION? UM, IS THAT CORRECT, HAM? SO, YEAH, SO COMPARING THAT TO THIS AMOUNT, WE FACTORED IN, UM, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, UH, I THINK, UH, 30% FOR INFLATION PLUS ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS.
SO, UH, PLUS CONTINGENCY, I THINK LIKE 10%.
SO WE FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THESE, UM, COST ESTIMATES, UM, REGARDING THE IDEA OF SPLITTING IT UP INTO PHASES.
SO YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.
THE ONLY, UM, AND THAT IS AN OPTION, THE ONLY, UH, KIND OF ADDITIONAL THING I, I, YOU MIGHT WANNA THINK ABOUT IS JUST THAT IT, IT COULD POTENTIALLY GET INTO THE SITUATION OF LOCKING FUTURE BOND GENERATIONS INTO CERTAIN PROJECTS.
UM, BUT IT IS A WAY TO SORT OF, YOU KNOW, BETTER SORT OF KEEP UP WITH INFLATION, PARTICULARLY FOR, UM, VERY DIFFICULT PROJECTS.
ANYBODY ELSE? DARREN? I'M SORRY.
UM, SO I'M GONNA GO IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT DIRECTION TO ASK A DIFFERENT KIND OF A QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, THE, WHEN, WHEN THIS BOND GOES UP FOR ELECTION.
IT, IT HAS TO BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC FOR PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR IT.
AND IT'S, IT'S QUITE EASY FOR US TO SAY, WE'RE DOING THIS MANY LANE MILES OF ROAD.
THIS MANY, WE BLOCKS WORTH OF ALLEYS, SO MANY MILES OF SIDEWALKS.
UM, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE SIZZLE
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IN BIG VISIBLE CITY PROJECTS FROM THIS COMMITTEE? I MEAN, IT'S EASY TO TALK ABOUT PARKS, RIGHT? WE CANNOT ALL TALK ABOUT DOG PARKS.BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF STREET IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE BIG SHINY OBJECT THAT HELPS PEOPLE WANT TO VOTE FOR THIS BOND? SURE.
I'LL START OFF AND THEN I'LL GIVE IT TO THE TEAM TO ELABORATE MORE ON IT.
UM, I GUESS MAYBE YOU'RE REFERRING TO THIS STREETWIDE PROJECT WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE STREET, BUT THEY HAVE TO VOTE ON IT? OR IS THAT FOR THE DISTRICT-WIDE PROJECT ALSO? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS BOND IS GONNA GO UP TO ELECTIONS.
AND WHEN THE CITY HAS TO GO SAY, THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR, FOR THIS BOND, HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE GETTING.
UM, SKIPPING ALL THE BORING STATISTICAL STUFF, WHAT'S THE BIG SHINY OBJECT COMING OUT OF STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION? SURE.
I, I GUESS FOR THE, THE, THE SURVEY THAT THE CITY DID, AND I'M, I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF IT, THAT THE MAINTAINING THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS THE SECOND HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS IN, IN DALLAS, RIGHT.
SO I DON'T THINK, IF ANYONE GONNA ARGUE THAT I DON'T WANT THE STREET TO GET IMPROVED BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE NOT IN A GOOD SHAPE.
UM, JUST ADDING MONEY TO IMPROVE THE STREETS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE SHOULD VOTE ON.
UH, YOU, YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR IT.
I MEAN, I'VE NEVER SEEN, OR I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYONE SAYING, OH, I DON'T WANT THIS DISTRICT TO BE IMPROVED.
UH, I GUESS THE CATCH TO IT IS THAT WE HAVE TWO CATEGORIES.
LET, LET'S BREAK IT DOWN TO TWO CATEGORIES.
THE DISTRICT WISE AND, UM, UM, CITYWIDE FOR THE DISTRICT-WISE.
YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHEN THEY SEE THE STREETS OR ALLEYS OR SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER THE ASSET IS, IT'S GETTING IMPROVED.
THEY MAKE IT EXCITED ABOUT IT BECAUSE, AGAIN, THE NEEDS IS ENORMOUS.
THAT'S THE WAY, THAT'S ONE OF THE WAY THAT WE CAN INJECT A LOT OF MONEY.
WHAT, WHEN I SAY A LOT, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, A LOT OF MONEY TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THEN THAT'S WHAT THE CITIZENS NEED FOR THE CITYWIDE PROJECT.
ALSO, THESE ARE THE MEANINGFUL PROJECT THAT A LOT OF RESIDENTS ARE USING.
IT, NOT JUST THE DISTRICT PER SE, A LOT OF RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE IS A, UH, THOROUGH FOR THE ARTERIAL OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL DRIVE OVER IT.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, ONLY THAT DISTRICT, UH, IS CONCERNED.
I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE GONNA LOVE TO HAVE EVEN MORE MONEY TOWARD THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
I DON'T THINK IF THEY QUESTION THAT, HMM, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SOME STREETS ARE GETTING, UH, ELECTED.
I, I, I THINK THEY PROBABLY NEED MORE THAN SAYING, SHOULD I VOTE ON IT OR NOT? RIGHT.
THE, THE QUESTION IS THAT DO THEY AGREE WITH THE SELECTION CRITERIA OR WITH THE SELECTION, UM, THE LIST OR NOT? THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT I THINK OVERALL THAT THEY SHOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE STREETS OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVED.
UH, Y'ALL WANT ADD SOME TO DO.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, WHAT ARE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE MORE HOT KIND OF PROJECTS ON HERE AS WELL AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WOULD GET PEOPLE EXCITED ABOUT THIS? 'CAUSE ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, IT IS THEIR TAX DOLLARS AND THEY DO HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
TO ME, SOME OF THE KIND OF, SORT OF, UH, EXCITING PROJECTS ON HERE, WELL, UNFORTUNATELY 'CAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS, A LOT OF THESE TO ME, ARE JUST LIKE MEETING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY I WOULD CALL THEM LIKE THE EMBARRASSING PROJECTS.
UM, LIKE I THINK SAN JACINTO BECAUSE OF THE QUAL, BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF, IT'S PRETTY EMBARRASSING AND IT'S RIGHT DOWNTOWN.
IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR RELATIVES COME OVER FOR CHRISTMAS AND IF YOU HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MUSTARD SPILLED ON YOUR SHIRT KIND OF THING, UM, UH, I THINK PEAK, UH, BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE STATE FAIR, WHICH HAS WHAT, 1 MILLION VISITORS, UH, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE USE IT JUST DAILY IS A PRETTY SIGNATURE PROJECT.
I ALSO THINK THE I 30 DEPOT AND FAIR PARK STREET GRID PROJECT, UM, IS PRETTY TRANSFORMATIONAL.
AND THEN WITH SOME OF THESE, WE HAVE ILLUSTRATIONS THAT CAN GET PEOPLE EXCITED.
WE DON'T HAVE SORT OF FANCY ILLUSTRATIONS FOR ALL OF THEM, BUT I THINK PICTURES TYPICALLY SPEAK A THOUSAND WORDS.
UM, ALSO SOME OF THESE STREETLIGHT PROJECTS TOO, BECAUSE I FIND A LOT OF DALLAS STREETS TO BE VERY DARK.
UM, COLLEAGUES, WE NEED TO WRAP THIS UP.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE PUT ON THE AGENDA.
WE HAD DECIDED THAT WE WERE GONNA WRAP IT UP.
THEY HAVE ON SUNDAY MORNING, I GOT AN EMAIL THAT MOVED THE DATE OUT TO SEPTEMBER.
FOR WHEN WE HAD TO HAVE FINAL, UH, FINAL PROJECTS IN AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
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UM, I'M GONNA ASK THE STAFF.I KNOW CANDACE AND I WERE JUST LOOKING AT THIS, THE LAST BOND ISSUANCE FOR STREETS WAS 53%, 54% OF THE, AND SO JUST GOING WITH THAT, CAN I GET A CONSENSUS ON, OR I, I DON'T,
AND NONE OF IT GO TO CITYWIDE MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? UM, EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND IT? YEAH.
SO IT WOULD BE, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 50% OF STREETS AND ALLEYS GOING TO THE CITY AND 50% GOING TO THE DISTRICTS.
AND WE HAD APPROVED LAST TIME TO THE AMOUNT WE WANTED OF THE BOND TO COME TO US WAS 50% OF WHATEVER THE BOND AMOUNT ENDED UP BEING.
AND WE'RE SAYING LET'S INCREASE THAT FROM 50% OF THE TOTAL BOND GOING TO STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION TO 54%.
SO IF IT'S A BILLION DOLLARS, IT WOULD BE $540 MILLION.
IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, $2 BILLION, IT WOULD BE 1,000,000,008 80 COMING TO US.
SO, AND THEN ANYTHING ABOVE THE, THE, IF WE GET MORE THAN 50% GOING TO STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION, ANYTHING ABOVE THAT GOES TO THE DISTRICTS NOT TO CITYWIDE TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THIS.
'CAUSE I'M WORRIED YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET APPROVAL TONIGHT FOR YOUR CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
SO I'M TRYING TO SAY IF WE CAN GIVE ALL THAT MONEY BACK TO THE DISTRICTS, WE MIGHT GET MORE PEOPLE ON BOARD TONIGHT.
SO WOULD THE, WOULD THE ALLOCATION TO THE DISTRICT, UM, IN THE 51 TO 54%, UM, WOULD IT BE ON THAT 25 75? OKAY.
HOW DO THE BRIDGES AND SIDEWALKS GET INCLUDED? IS IT 53 PLUS THE FOUR? IS IT, IS THAT INCLUDED? SO IT'S REALLY ONLY 1% EXTRA? NO, IT, IT WOULD BE, WE, THEY WOULD GET WHAT THEY WOULD GET AS THOUGH IT WAS 50%.
SO ANYTHING THAT IS DEEMED CITYWIDE WOULD GET TREATED AS THOUGH WE ONLY GOT 50% OF THE TOTAL BOND.
ANYTHING WE GET ABOVE THAT GOES TO THE DISTRICTS.
SO, AND THAT WAY IF WE GET MORE, THEN IT GIVES MORE MONEY FOR US TO PUT INTO PROJECTS FOR OUR STREETS AND ALLEYS THAT OUR CITIZENS HAVE ASKED FOR, INCLUDING, I'M HAVING TO FUND ARTERIALS.
LIKE I DON'T WANNA UNDERSTAND WHY INWOOD IS NOT A CITYWIDE PROJECT, BUT I'M HAVING TO FUND IT SO THAT, THAT'S FRUSTRATING FOR US THAT WE HAVE TO FUND WHAT IS CLEARLY A CITYWIDE STREET.
SOMETHING TO MENTION ON THE, THIS PROPOSAL, UM, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME THAT THEY ALLOCATE MONEY FOR THE PROPOSITIONS IS NOT JUST THE BUCKET OF THE MONEY SAYING, OKAY, 500 GOES TO STREET AND TRANSPORTATION, IT HAS AN ITEM ITEMIZED KIND OF THINGS.
RIGHT? THEY MAY SAY, OKAY, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE STREETS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND NOW THEY'RE SAYING, OKAY, INSTEAD OF A HUNDRED MILLION, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU GUYS $150 MILLION.
BUT OUT OF THAT $50 MILLION ADDITIONAL THAT YOU'RE GONNA RECEIVE, 10 OF IT GOES TO SIDEWALK OR ALLEYS, FIVE GOES TO SIDEWALK AND THE REST GOES TO THE STREET.
SO THAT PROPOSAL, UM, WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE ALLOCATING SOMETHING FOR LIKE SIDEWALK OR FOR BRIDGE OR WHATEVER, WE CAN STILL DIVIDE IT EQUALLY TO ALL THE DO THAT WE JUST NEED THE HOW BIG IS THE BOND? AND IF WE GET 50 OR 54% OR WHAT DO WE GET, THEN WE CAN DO THE MATH.
BUT I THINK WE WOULD ASSUME THE MATH IS 50%.
ASSUME WE ONLY GOT 50%, WHAT WOULD'VE GONE TO CITYWIDE ANYTHING LEFT OVER THEN GOES TO THE DISTRICTS.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT GOES TO THE DISTRICT.
DO YOU MEAN EQUALLY SPLIT, UH, OR FOLLOW THE 75? 75.
LAUREN, I JUST HAD A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
SO WHEN YOU'RE, AND I KNOW HE KIND OF SAID THIS, BUT JUST CLARIFYING, SO WHEN WE DO THE 54% AND WHEN IT DOES THAT SPLIT, IS IT, ARE WE ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT THAT EXTRA MONEY GOES TO JUST STREETS AND ALLEYS? YES.
WHEN IT GOES TO THE DISTRICT? YES.
SO IF, IF THAT EXTRA MONEY WOULD GO SPECIFICALLY TO MORE STREETS AND ALLEYS.
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RIGHT.GRADING AGAIN, DISTRICT FIVE, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.
I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS REPLACING OUR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, BUT 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T MADE ONE YET, IT'S GOING FORWARD.
INSTEAD OF SAYING WE WANT 50% OF WHATEVER THE BOND AMOUNT IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SAYING 54, WE, WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN 50%, SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, PAST HERE DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING REALLY.
SO THE MATH CAN BE CUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT WAYS ACTUALLY SAYING WE WANT 54%, IF WE GET THAT AMOUNT, 50% IS BEING DIVIDED THIS WAY AND 4% IS GONNA GO IT, IT'S BEGINNING TO GET A LITTLE COMPLICATED FOR SURE.
BUT THE QUESTION I HAVE IS JUST TO CLARIFY ON YOUR POINT ON, ON YOUR POINT, ARE WE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A LIST OF PROJECTS THAT EQUAL A CERTAIN NUMBER AND SAY, THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE WANT, THE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT FUNDED, AND THEY'RE GOING TO DETERMINE OF THAT NUMBER, HOW MUCH, OR CAN WE ACTUALLY PUT JUST A PERCENTAGE AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE GONNA MAKE THE OVERALL BOND FOR AND, AND HAVE THEM GIVEN APPROVAL FOR A PERCENTAGE OF THAT MONEY AS WE'RE PROPOSING AND THEN APPLY IT TO OUR PROJECT LIST? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? WELL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THEY DECIDE ON THE BOND AMOUNT REGARDLESS OF ALL THIS DISCUSSION, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH THE, UH, BREAKDOWN FOR THIS EXERCISE THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THE LIST OF THE PROJECTS BECAUSE, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT THE CHAIR HAS TO PRESENT THAT TO THE TASK FORCE, RIGHT? SO WE NEED TO HAVE THAT LEASE READY FOR THE CHAIR, THAT THE CHAIR CAN ACTUALLY PRESENT IT TO THE TASK FORCE, ALONG WITH OTHER MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER TO, UH, PRESENT TO THEM AT THAT POINT.
IT GOES TO TASK FORCE AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, TASK FORCE HELP WITH CITY MANAGER AND ALSO COUNCIL MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER MAY CHANGE IT, UH, MAY CHANGE THE LEASE AND ALL THESE THINGS.
SO REGARDLESS, REGARDLESS, BASED ON THE ALLOCATED MONEY THAT I THINK WE ALL AGREED ON, BECAUSE WE VOTED ON, UH, WE NEED TO HAVE A LIST TO SHOW WHAT ARE YOUR PRIORITIES.
THAT EVEN I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF FOR EXAMPLE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE LARGER DISTRICT, IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED PROJECTS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN YOUR DISTRICT THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, I DON'T BELIEVE IT, COUNCILMEN ARE GONNA SAY, OKAY, TRASH ALL THIS HUNDRED, I GONNA REPLACE IT WITH ANOTHER HUNDRED.
RIGHT? THEY MAY SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, 3, 4, 5, 10, 20, WHATEVER OUT OF THESE HUNDREDS MAYBE ARE NOT IMPORTANT FOR COMMUNITY, LET'S SUBSTITUTE WITH THE REST, OTHER PROJECTS, RIGHT? THAT MAY HAPPEN AND I'M SURE IT WILL HAPPEN.
BUT REGARDLESS, WE NEED THE LIST FROM Y'ALL BECAUSE WE NEED TO PRESENT IT TO TASK FORCE.
I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF IT.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE OR SO YEAH, IT DOES.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE JUST GONNA GIVE THEM A LIST, IF WE GET THE NUMBER, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL BOND KNOWN BEFORE WE GIVE THEM THE LIST.
BECAUSE WE SAY, OKAY, WE HAVE $520 MILLION, 540, WE GOT IT THAT APPROVED, SO HERE'S OUR LIST OF $540 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS.
SO TO ME IT'S LIKE, WHICH COMES FIRST? THE, THAT WE KNOW THE ACTUAL AMOUNT
BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE COM YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING OUR EQUATION MORE AND MORE COMPLICATED IN TERMS OF HOW THE MONEY'S GONNA GO AWAY, AND THAT'S FINE.
BUT TO ME IT'S LIKE IF WE'RE PRESENTING THIS EQUATION WITH 4% HERE AND 50% AND THEN 50 50 AND A 25 AND A 75, THERE'S A LOT OF PERCENTAGES INVOLVED HERE, RIGHT? SO I THINK THE, THE, THE KEY TO THIS AND THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL NUMBER IS GOING TO BE.
SO WHAT WE SHOULD ALL BE DOING IS PUTTING TOGETHER NOT JUST A LIST, IT SHOULD BE A SORTED LIST BASED ON PRIORITY, WHERE THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ARE AT THE TOP AND LEAST IMPORTANT AT THE BOTTOM.
SO, AND THEN A, I INCLUDED A SUPPLEMENTAL LIST THAT SAID, IN THE DREAM WORLD WHERE WE GET AN EXTRA 50 MILLION, THIS IS WHAT COMES NEXT.
AND SO, SO WHEN THEY GOT MY LIST, THEY KNOW WHERE TO START CUTTING.
IF, IF OUR NUMBER IS SHORTER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, THEY'LL CUT FROM THE BOTTOM.
AND IF THE NUMBER'S BIGGER THAN WHAT I THOUGHT IT CAN BE, THEY'LL ADD FROM THE SUPPLEMENTAL LIST.
AND IF WE ALL DO THAT, THEN HE HAS SOMETHING THAT WILL LAST NO MATTER WHAT COMES OUT OF THE TASK FORCE.
CAN YOU SEND THAT TEMPLATE TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN SEND IT TO EACH ONE OF US SO THAT WE CAN I SENT IT TO THEM LAST WEEK.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT HERE'S, HERE'S THE DEAL SO THEY CAN SEND IT TO US SO THAT WE CAN RE HAVE A, HAVE THE SAME TEMPLATE.
EVERYBODY USES THE SAME TEMPLATE THAT TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
IS THERE A TEMPLATE YOU GOT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED THAT YOU PREFER? AND BY THE WAY, SUSAN MORGAN IS, IS WAITING ONLINE TO COMMENT.
SO RIGHT AFTER SHAHAD ANSWERS THAT QUESTION, IF SUSAN CAN HEAR ME, SHE'S GONNA, OH, THERE SHE IS.
OKAY, GO AHEAD SHAHAD, SEE YOUR NAME.
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SO I THINK ONE OF THE GOOD, UH, EXAMPLES THAT CAME TO US WAS, UH, JENNIFER, UH, JENNIFER'S, UH, SHE ACTUALLY HAD SEPARATE SHEETS THOUGH, WELL, NOT ONE SHEET, BUT SHE HAD SEPARATE SHEETS, UM, THE SAME WAY WE HAD SENT THE DATA.SHE SENT THEM BACK WITH THEIR, WITH HER HIGHLIGHTED TOP PRIORITY PROJECTS AND THEN THEIR TOTAL.
SO THAT HELPED ME, YOU KNOW, JUST COPY PASTE IT AND DO MY CALCULATION ON THE ORIGINAL BIGGER LIST.
AND THEN SHE ONLY HIDE THE PROJECTS THAT WERE IN BETWEEN.
THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, THE PRIORITY FOR EXAMPLE, OF THE PRIORITIES, NOT ALL THE TOP LISTS.
THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE BOTTOM.
SHE HIDE THE PROJECTS IN BETWEEN.
YOU CAN DELETE THOSE AS WELL AND JUST SEND YOU YOUR, YOU KNOW, CONDENSED LIST.
UM, THAT'S POSSIBLE TOO, BUT I JUST PREFER AN EXCEL SHEET.
WHAT I RECEIVED FROM YOU CAN, THIS IS GOOD TOO, BUT IT WAS NOT EXCEL SHEET.
WE, I ONLY RECEIVED THE, UM, THE EXCEL SHEET THAT YOU ATTACHED HAD ONLY THE CITYWIDE, IF YOU LOOK BACK TO IT, THE EXCEL SHEET WAS ONLY THE CITYWIDE AND THE P D F WAS EVERYTHING.
SO, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO SEND THE EXCEL SHEET OF THE SAME P D F, UM, THAT WE CAN USE THAT AS WELL.
AND THEN, UH, I CAN SHOW AN EXAMPLE.
FOR EXAMPLE, I CREATED SOMETHING BASED ON WHAT I RECEIVED FOR DISTRICT TWO OR SEVEN OR UM, OR UH, SIX AS WELL.
SO, UM, YEAH, SELENA, WOULD YOU PLEASE, UM, GO TO THE, UH, EXCEL SHEET FILE THAT SAYS, UM, THAT SAYS STREET SELECTED.
UH, YOU CAN, WAS AT THE BOTTOM, IF YOU GO TO THE EXCEL SHEETS, YES.
OKAY, LET'S LOOK AT THIS EXAMPLE.
SO THIS IS FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT TWO.
SO THE TOP OF THE LIST, THE TOP OF THE LIST IS THE ORIGINAL, YOU KNOW, NEEDS INVENTORY FOR DISTRICT TWO FOUR ALLEYS.
AND THE LINE WAS DRAWN BASICALLY, OR SOLELY BASED ON RANKING TOP PRIORITY, THAT, UH, BASED ON THE RANKING.
HOWEVER, HERE THE BOTTOM AFTER THIS GRAY, UM, LINE, IF YOU SCROLLED ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT, PLEASE, THIS SAYS CD TWO ALLEY SELECTION.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, FOR CD TWO, THIS IS THEIR, UH, ALLEY SELECTION BASED ON, UM, BUDGET.
IF YOU, IF YOU SCROLL, UM, ALL THE WAY, SO JUST SCROLL ALL THE WAY DOWN AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO THE RIGHT PLEASE.
UH, YOU WILL SEE HERE HOW WE DID THIS IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TOTAL, WHAT THE PRIORITY LIST WAS SENT TOTAL TO, AND THEN BASED ON THE 4 85 CUTOFF, THIS IS WHAT THEIR BUDGET, AND THIS IS WHAT WAS LEFT OFF WHEN WE SUBTRACTED THE BUDGET FROM THE LIST THAT PROVIDED.
AND THIS IS THE WHAT SAYS VARIANCE.
AND THEN IF WE GET FIVE 20 MILLION, THIS IS THE ADDITIONAL, UM, YOU KNOW, ALLEYS THAT THEY WILL GET.
HOWEVER, I PUT IT IN NOTE THERE BECAUSE WE RECEIVED THAT INFORMATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DO NOT SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, GIVING A LOT OF MONEY TO THE ALLIES OR GIVING ANY MONEY TO THE ALLIES.
AND THEN IT'S GONNA BE PROBABLY THEIR DECISION AS A DISTRICT IF THEY WANT TO REALLOCATE ALLEY MONEY INTO SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT FOR NOW, THEY DID NOT GIVE IT SOMETHING ELSE TO SUBSTITUTE WITH THE ALLEY MONEY.
SO THAT'S WHY I KEPT IT AS IS.
BUT, UM, I THINK IT'S A PER DISTRICT MONEY AND IT MIGHT BE ALLOCATED TO SOMETHING ELSE.
SO, UM, IF WE DO, FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT, WE DID THE SAME THING FOR DISTRICT THREE.
WE DID THE SAME THING FOR SIX FOR SEVEN BASED ON WHAT WE RECEIVED ON THOSE LISTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LOOK AT SEVEN, PLEASE, CD SEVEN.
SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THE THINGS WE RECEIVED WITH DISTRICT SEVEN THAT YOU EXCEEDED BUDGET WITH, UH, YOUR, UM, YOU KNOW, SCENARIOS THAT YOU GIVE US.
SO THIS IS WHAT I DID FOR YOU IN THAT CASE, I BASICALLY HAD THE FOUR 85 MILLION CUTOFF AND THEN THE FIVE 20 MILLION CUTOFF.
AND THEN I PUT IT, THE LIST AT THE BOTTOM TO THE ABOVE FIVE 20 MILLION FOR THE THINGS THAT IF WE RECEIVE ABOVE, THEN THAT THEN WE GO THROUGH THIS LIST.
SO SIMILAR SCENARIO, UM, WE WANT TO DO FOR ALL OF THE DISTRICTS FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS,
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BUT I CANNOT DO THAT IF I DON'T RECEIVE YOUR LIST.SO IF I DON'T HAVE YOUR LIST, I WILL END UP JUST LEAVING IT BASED ON OUR ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, TOP RANKED LIST, CUT TO THE LINE OF THE BUDGET.
AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, UM, THIS IS LINDA COOP IS GOING TO, UM, PROBABLY PRESENT IF, SO, THAT'S WHY I ENCOURAGE EACH ONE, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO PLEASE SEND YOUR LIST THAT WE CAN CREATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR YOU, FOR YOUR PRIORITIES, RIGHT? AND OKAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED.
SOME OF YOU HAVE VERY COMPLEX DISTRICTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WHY DON'T WE, TO MOVE THIS ALONG, SAY SEND YOUR INFORMATION SPREADSHEET OR NOT TO SHAHAD.
AND THEN CAN YOU WORK WITH THE ONES THAT ARE NOT PERFECTLY, LIKE YOU HAVE
EACH ONE OF THE, UH, UM, MEMBERS THAT HAD SUBMITTED THEIR LIST WAS DIFFERENT.
YES, BUT I WAS ABLE, BUT THEY WERE COPIED FROM OUR LIST.
SO I WAS ABLE TO IDENTIFY, SO YOU DID THAT EXACT PROJECTS AND EXACT COST ESTIMATE, RIGHT? BUT WHEN IT'S SENT IN AN EMAIL WITH ONLY NAMES WITH THE DIFFERENT LIMITS, THAT'S NOT ON THE NEEDS INVENTORY, I, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IDENTIFY WHAT PROJECTS ARE THOSE.
SO WE WANTED TO BE COPIED PASTES FROM OUR LIST BECAUSE OUR LIST IS ALL THE NEEDS INVENTORY, AND IF IT'S NOT ON OUR LIST, WE HAVE TO ADD IT TO THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO WE HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT IT WITH SPECIFIC BLOCK NUMBERS OR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS.
SO IF IT'S NOT ON THE LIST, OKAY, THEN MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE NOTED THAT AND WHERE IT IS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, JUST REMEMBER, IT'S NOT ON THE NEEDS LIST.
IT PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA MAKE IT UNLESS YOUR COUNCIL MEMBER CHANGES, CHANGES IT, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT'S GONNA BE.
BUT SHAHAD IS THE POINT PERSON ON THAT.
AND WE'VE ASKED EVERYBODY TO GET 'EM IN BY TODAY.
ONLY FIVE PEOPLE SUBMITTED THEM.
ALL I CAN SAY IS THE QUICKER YOU GET IT IN, THE MORE, THE MORE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PROCESS AND STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT OUT.
NOW I AM GONNA DO ONE THING 'CAUSE UM, UH, SUSAN HAS BEEN WOR HAS BEEN WAITING ONLINE FOR, YEAH, IF I MAY JUST ADD ONE LAST THING, UH, VERY QUICKLY.
FOR EXAMPLE, MS. UH, PORTIA, UH, MS. PORTIA CAME INTO OUR OFFICE TODAY.
WE WORKED WITH HER, WE HELPED HER WITH THE SHEETS.
WE CAN DO THE SAME THING WITH ANYONE THAT NEEDS HELP ON THEIR SHEETS.
SO IF ANYBODY IS STRUGGLING WITH, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE SHEETS TOGETHER, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP.
AND WHY DON'T YOU GIVE THEM A DATE CERTAIN, A SECOND DATE, CERTAIN
YOU ACTUALLY NEED A DATE BECAUSE YOU GET A, WELL, I'M, I'M, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT LIKE SEPTEMBER THE 12TH, IT'S NOW THE NEW DATE FOR THE TASK FORCE, BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT FOR CERTAIN THAT THAT'S IT.
I JUST HASN'T QUITE JELLED YET.
BUT IT'S LIKE THE SECOND WEEK OF SEPTEMBER IS WHEN WE HAVE TO GET THIS DONE.
SO I WOULD SAY, I'D SAY BY THE END OF THE MONTH, ARE YOU GIVING US A, HANG ON JUST ONE SECOND.
SO, UH, LET'S SAY FRIDAY THE 31ST.
AUGUST 31ST, IT IS IT, AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN BY THEN, THIS IS YOUR PENALTY.
NOW YOUR TREAT WAS, DARREN HAS BROUGHT COOKIES AND CAKE AND STUFF, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WERE ONLY FIVE PEOPLE.
SO IF YOU DON'T GET IT IN BY THE 31ST, THEN WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE YOU OFF THE LIST.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE GONNA SUBMIT WHAT, UH, ORIGINALLY PRESENTED SOMEBODY, RIGHT? YEAH.
BY, BY THE END OF THE MONTH, 31ST OF AUGUST.
NOW SUSAN, IF YOU'RE STILL ON THERE, CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN HEAR, UH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, SPEAK UP REAL LOUD.
UM, I'M TRYING TO FORMULATE MY THOUGHTS,
THIS IS SUSAN MORGAN FROM DISTRICT 10.
UM, BASED ON SEVERAL THINGS, THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE TABLE FROM CANDACE ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT OVERAGE.
AND I WANTED TO COMMENT THAT NOT EVERY DISTRICT HAS A PRIORITY IN STREETS AND ALLEYS WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.
AS YOU KNOW, HALF MY DISTRICT LIVES IN APARTMENTS AND THEY WANT SIDEWALKS AND ACCESSIBILITY AND CONNECTIVITY.
UM, I THINK THE STREETS AND ALLEYS PORTION IS, IS MUCH MORE OBJECTIVE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO USE THE CRITERIA THAT THE STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER FOR PRIORITIZING WHAT AMOUNT DISTRICT 10 GETS FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS.
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NOT OBJECTIVE AT ALL.THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT, UH, COME INTO PLAY IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IMPACT TO YOUR COMMUNITY.
UH, SAFETY, UM, JUST A NUMBER OF THINGS.
UM, SO WE SHOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS THAT.
AND I KNOW WE'RE OUT OF TIME, BUT, UM, IT DAWNED ON ME AS, AS CATHERINE WAS EXPOUNDING ON THE PROJECTS THAT SIZZLE, THERE ARE SOME MAJOR PROJECTS AND I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT SOMETHING AROUND FAIR PARK, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE MILLION VISITORS WE GET IN EVERY FALL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WAS WONDERING IF MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DIVIDE THE, THE CITYWIDE CUT LINE TO SOME MAJOR PROJECTS AND THEN DO THE OTHER THING LIKE THE 75 25 AND GIVE THE INDIVIDUAL DI DISTRICTS THEIR OWN BUDGET TO FUND A PROJECT.
BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED THAT, THAT THE WAY THE ALLOCATION IS RIGHT NOW, UM, WE TOOK A LESSER ALLOCATION IN MY DISTRICT FOR STREETS AND ALLEYS BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT, BUT WE DO NEED IT IN COMPLETE STREETS.
AND RIGHT NOW, EVERYTHING I HAVE OFFERED TO STAFF, I SEE IT KEEP DWINDLING AWAY.
WELL, I OFFERED A DISTRICT 10 PROJECT FROM DIS FROM UH, UH, RECONSTRUCTED THOROUGHFARE, BUT I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING BACK FROM THAT.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY OTHER COMPLETE STREET PROJECT WAS, WAS, UH, REDUCED.
SO I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THIS.
UM, I GUESS I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU OFFLINE, BUT MY QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU BEEN, HAVE YOU, DO YOU CONSIDER WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU INPUT ENOUGH INPUT, OR DO YOU NEED MORE? UM, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE THOROUGHFARE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT, UM, YOU'RE REFERRING TO.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO FIND THAT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT PROJECT AND WHY IT MIGHT NO LONGER BE ON THE LIST.
THAT THIRD FAIR RECONSTRUCTION CATEGORY IS PURELY BASED.
IT JUST GOES STRAIGHT DOWN THE LIST, STRAIGHT DOWN THE RANKING LIST.
UM, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS THE SCHROEDER PROJECT AND IT, IT WAS ON THE LIST BECAUSE YOUR ALLOCATION FOR, UH, THOROUGHFARES USED TO BE $17 MILLION AND IT WENT TO ZERO.
SO YOU'RE MAKING THOSE, I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO THOROUGHFARE EXPANSIONS, NOT RECONSTRUCTION THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
I, I, UM, WASN'T AWARE THAT THAT WAS, I, I GUESS I MISSED THAT THAT ONE WAS A PRIORITY FOR SOMEBODY.
WELL, I'M SAYING, I'M SAYING IT WASN'T, I, IN MY EMAIL I GAVE FEEDBACK THAT IN DISTRICT 10, WE WERE WILLING TO REDUCE THAT PRIORITY AND SHIFT THAT FUNDS TO OUR COMPLETE STREET PROJECT.
SO THE ALLOCATION FROM 17 MILLION WENT TO ZERO, BUT I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY RECOMPENSE FOR THAT.
SO I, I'M, I'M WONDERING IF, IF THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT AGAIN.
CERTAINLY, I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION.
UM, SINCE WE'VE HAD SPECIFIC PROJECTS, THERE HAVE BEEN NO RECOMMENDED THOROUGHFARE EXPANSION PROJECTS.
UM, AND ALL OF THAT MONEY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY, UM, KIND OF ASSIGNED TO THAT CATEGORY AND JUST KIND OF PURELY SPREADSHEET BREAKOUTS OF CATEGORY FUNDING, WAS THAT ALLOCATED, UH, LARGELY TO PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS, BUT PARTIALLY TO COMPLETE STREET PROJECTS? UM, WELL, SO THE, THE PROJECT I'M REFERRING TO, AS YOU KNOW, IS SKILLMAN, AND IT WAS A COMPLETE STREET PROJECT FOR 10 MILLION.
NOW IT'S BEEN SHIFTED TO A PARTNERSHIP PROJECT FOR 1 MILLION.
SO
UM, WE TRIED TO BREAK THAT DOWN INTO JUST A SECTION BETWEEN L B J AND ROYAL, WHICH WE ESTIMATE WILL BE ABOUT $5 MILLION.
$1 MILLION WAS PROVIDED TO SERVE AS A LOCAL MATCH, THE 20% LOCAL MATCH TO TRY TO LEVERAGE FOR $5 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT.
UM, UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT SECTION THAT'S MORE OF A PRIORITY, UM, A CUTS FOR MOST PROJECTS, UH, WERE MADE IN THE BUDGETS IN ORDER TO GET TO THE 53%.
UM, BUT I JUST WANNA ADD TO THAT AT THIS POINT.
UM, I MEAN, UH, WITH THE COMPLETE STREET PROJECTS, I THINK THERE'S ONLY FIVE TO FIVE
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DEPENDING ON THE SCENARIO.SO JUST, UM, DETERMINING WHAT TO CUT IS DIFFICULT.
SUSAN, WHY DON'T YOU, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S STILL SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN WHAT YOU SUGGESTED AND WHAT THE STAFF HAS DONE.
WHY DON'T YOU GUYS OFFLINE GO AHEAD AND, AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
AND ALSO I WANT CANDACE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE MONEY TO YOUR DISTRICT AND WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR.
YEAH, SUSAN, I THINK YOU RAISE A GOOD POINT.
SO IF WE TAKE ANYTHING OVER THE 50% WE GET FOR STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION, I THINK IF YOU WANNA USE THAT FOR COMPLETE STREETS OR FOR SIDEWALKS, WE SHOULD ALLOW THE DISTRICT TO HAVE THAT SAY IT'S THE DISTRICT'S DISCRETION ON THE 75 25 SPLIT WHERE THEY PUT IT.
BUT THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, NO, I WANT IT IN SIDEWALKS.
NO, I WANT IT IN COMPLETE STREETS.
IF THAT'S PLAUSIBLE FOR YOU GUYS, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR MODIFICATION THAT SUSAN'S MADE.
WELL, BUT WOULD HER, WOULD THE COMPLETE STREET THAT SHE WANTS, WOULD THAT BE CONSIDERED CITYWIDE OR THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED IT WOULD BE HER, HER MONEY.
IF SHE WANTS TO PUT IT IN A COMPLETE CITYWIDE PROJECT, SHE CAN.
SEE HERE'S A, HERE'S THE, BUT IT'S THE DISTRICTS TO DIRECT.
HERE WAS THE PROBLEM THAT GUS BROUGHT UP, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND BOND COUNCIL MAYBE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, HE WAS SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T, IF IT'S CITYWIDE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, SINCE THEY'VE GOT TO LIST THEM, BREAK THEM OUT WITHIN THE BOND PROPOSITION, THAT YOU COULDN'T SWITCH FROM A CITYWIDE, WHICH WOULD BE SIDEWALKS TO A DISTRICT.
AND I'M, I'M JUST NOT SO SURE THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
I, I'M, I'M, I'M, UM, I IT CAN BE LIKE THE LAST BOND WHERE A LOT OF THINGS, I MEAN, A LOT OF THAT MONEY STILL HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED WHAT TO USE IT FOR BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S THEY UP TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS' DISCRETION.
AND SO THEREFORE IT'S NOT LISTED IN THE BOND.
WE'RE NOT SAYING IT, IT'S NOT TO BE LISTED.
WE'RE SAYING IT HAS TO BE LISTED.
YOU'RE SAYING THAT WITHIN THAT BRO BOND PROPOSITION THAT PEOPLE VOTE ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE SMALL PRINT ON THE BOND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS FOR SIDEWALKS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.
THEY'RE NOT VOTING ON A DOLLAR AMOUNT WITHIN THE SIDEWALKS AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
NOW, IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE DETAIL OF IT, SOME PEOPLE CAN DO THE DETAIL OF IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT THAT'S NOT ON THE PROPOSITION.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE WERE SWITCHING IT AROUND WHERE CANDACE IS SAYING NO.
IF A, IF A, IF A MEMBER, IF A COMMITTEE MEMBER, A SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBER WANTS TO CHANGE IT AROUND AND THEY NEED TO DEFINE THE STREET, DEFINE THE NUM, THE, THE, THE AMOUNT AND GIVE IT TO THEIR COUNCIL, GIVE IT TO YOU GUYS TO PUT INTO THE SPREADSHEET AND, AND GIVE IT THAT WAY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER.
NOW WHAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER DOES, I DON'T KNOW AT THAT POINT, DID I CONFUSE IT OR DID I MAKE IT ANY CLEARER? WELL, I WAS GONNA ASK ALI TO, I'M GENERALLY CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT THAT 50%, UM, GOES TOWARDS ASIDE FROM JUST WHATEVER COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT.
SO IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF EXPLANATION YEAH, I GUESS I'M TO SOME EXTENT CONFUSED ALSO TO BE HONEST ON
BUT, UH, I, I GUESS LET, LET'S FOCUS ON THE, I GUESS, PROPOSAL THAT CANDACE HAD FIRST, RIGHT? I I WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND IT COMPLETELY.
SO WE'RE SAYING 50, LET'S SAY 54, WHATEVER PERCENTAGE OF THE BOND GOES TO, TO OUR PROPOSITION A BASED ON WHATEVER WE APPROVE, RIGHT? 75, 25 AND 50% GOES TO THE CITYWIDE PROJECT.
IS THAT, IS THAT CORRECT STATEMENT OR NO? NO.
I THINK SO BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF THE BOND, RIGHT? WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE THIS HARDER THAN IT SHOULD BE BECAUSE OF PERCENTAGES.
BUT ASSUMING THAT THE BOND, WHATEVER NUMBER IT IS, THE INITIAL ASK WE HAD LAST WEEK MM-HMM.
NOW WE'RE SAYING NO, LINDA, GO ASK FOR 54% OF WHATEVER THE BOND IS TO COME TO STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS IN 2017.
SO WE SHOULD GET PROPORTIONALLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF DOLLARS AS WE GOT IN THE LAST BOND.
AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S ON BOARD WITH THAT.
MORE MONEY FOR ALL OF US IS BETTER BECAUSE WE CLEARLY HAVE TWO FEW DOLLARS.
I I'M NOT ON BOARD WITH IT, JUST FOR THE RECORD.
I WOULD NOT BE ON BOARD WITH THAT EITHER, SO MAYBE WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT FIRST ONE.
SO JUST TO, TO SIMPLIFY THE MATH, LET ME SEE IF THIS MAKES IT CLEAR, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS INSTEAD OF THIS 50% THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR OR ORIGINALLY AND THEN BREAKING UP INTO 50 50 CITYWIDE VERSUS JUST, WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING WE WANT 54%.
SO OF THE TOTAL OVERALL BOND MONEY, WE'RE SAYING WE WANT 25% OF THE BOND MONEY
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TO GO TO CITYWIDE PROJECTS AND 29% OF THE BOND MONEY TO GO TO DISTRICT STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE ALLOCATING THAT EXTRA 4% ON A 50 50 SPLIT.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS HERE'S, HERE'S WE, WE, WE WANT 29% OF THE TOTAL BOND MONEY GOING INTO DISTRICT PRO IN DISTRICT PROJECTS, AND WE WANT 25% OF THE TOTAL BOND MONEY GOING INTO.
SO, YOU KNOW, SO, SO-CALLED CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
BUT THAT'S WHERE IT GETS REALLY COMPLICATED FOR ME.
AND I THINK THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT I DON'T KNOW IF ELSE IS HAVING, WHEN I WAS THINKING OF CITYWIDE PROJECTS, I WAS IMAGINING THINGS LIKE FAIR PARK AND YOU KNOW, REDOING ALL OF D YOU KNOW YEAH.
OR LIKE, YEAH, THE DECK PARK OR REDOING ALL OF DEEP EL 'CAUSE IT'S A DESTINATION THAT EVERYONE GOES TO OR THESE LIKE BIG INFRASTRUCTURAL THINGS.
I WASN'T IMAGINING A WHOLE LIST OF TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN SPECIFIC DISTRICTS.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A CITYWIDE PROJECT TO ME.
SO LIKE BY YOUR, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT'S A PRIVATE DRIVE
I THINK THERE'S OBVIOUSLY METHODOLOGY THERE, BUT TO US AND TO THE AVERAGE VOTER AND TO CITY COUNCIL PEOPLE, THEY'RE GONNA SAY CITYWIDE PROJECT TO ME IMPLIES WHAT DARREN WAS SAYING.
SOMETHING LIKE BIG AND SHINY AND AWESOME THAT WE ALL INVEST IN COLLECTIVELY THAT IS A DESTINATION OR LIKE REDOING ALL OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY USES THAT.
NOT THESE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT PRIMARILY EXIST IN A SINGLE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT OR IN TWO.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE START THINKING, WELL, WHY IS NOTHING COMING TO MY DISTRICT? BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GET EXCITED WHEN INFRASTRUCTURE IS GETTING BUILT, BUT WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT IS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THEY USE, WHERE THEY LIVE OR WHERE THEY WORK OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE BETWEEN THEM AND WHERE THEY GO TO WORK.
YOU KNOW? SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, TO ME, MY, YOU WANNA TAKE A REVOTE ON THAT? I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT YOU JUST BE AWARE THAT YOU WON'T GET AS MUCH, MUCH TO YOUR DISTRICT.
BUT I'M HAPPY TO VOTE ON IT AND MOVE.
BUT WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD GUYS.
THIS IS WHAT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, RIGHT OR WRONG OR WHATEVER, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
WE CAN'T JUST DISCUSS IT TO DEATH AND WE'LL LET THE SAY THAT FOR THE COUNCIL, THEY'LL DISCUSS IT FOR A LONG TIME.
UM, SHARON HOWARD, DISTRICT SIX I, THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME AND, UM, I FEEL LIKE I'VE LEARNED A LOT, BUT I MEAN, ULTIMATELY THE CITYWIDE THINGS, DO WE NOT HAVE TO AT SOME LEVEL TRUST THAT THEY ARE CHOOSING THE THINGS THAT THIS CITY NEEDS TO MAKE US SAFE? LIKE LIGHTS, STREET LIGHTS ARE NECESSARY AND THEY KEEP US ALL SAFE.
SO I KNOW WE ALL WANT SOMETHING FOR OUR DISTRICT AND WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.
BUT AT SOME LEVEL, DON'T WE HAVE TO TRUST THAT THE CITYWIDE THINGS THEY ARE CHOOSING FOR US ARE NECESSARY? JUST, I KNOW THAT MAY BE AN UNPOPULAR STATEMENT I JUST MADE, BUT DON'T WE, DON'T WE, I MEAN, I, I AGREE.
I, MY MY VIEW WOULD BE THAT YES, BUT THE REASON FOR THIS GROUP AND COMMITTEE IS FOR CITIZEN INPUT ON WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THAT PRIORITIZATION OR NOT.
AND WHAT I THINK GRADY VOICED AND WHAT I'M VOICING IS SOME OF THESE SEEM LIKE THEY'RE NOT WHAT I WOULD PRIORITIZE FOR MY DISTRICT AND MY COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT NECESSARILY ARE SAFETY.
THEY MAY BE THINGS THAT ARE DOWN PAYMENTS ONTO SOMETHING BIGGER LATER ON.
THAT WHEN I HAVE PEOPLE THAT CAN'T GET IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS, I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT A DECK PARK.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M QUESTIONING, ARE THE BRIDGES ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY? ARE THESE TRUE SAFETY ISSUES ON THESE BRIDGES? BECAUSE NOBODY CAN EVEN TELL ME WHERE THEY ARE.
I'VE ASKED FOUR MEMBERS OF THE CITY TEAM WHERE THE BRIDGES ARE, AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN AN ANSWER BECAUSE THEY'RE DEFINED IN WAYS THAT YOU CAN'T LOOK 'EM UP ON GOOGLE MAPS.
SO IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT WE'RE SPENDING $60 MILLION ON BRIDGES THAT NOBODY CAN TELL ME WHERE THEY ARE.
WELL, WE CAN TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE.
NO, WELL, WE DIDN'T SAY WE WE CANNOT TELL.
I MEAN THIS, THAT'S NOT THE STATEMENT.
I, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
MALCOLM X OVER DART IS PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
IS MALCOLM X EXPRESS OVER DART OVER DART STATION YOU THAT I CAN SHOW YOU ON THE GOOGLE MAP IF YOU DON'T WE WE DO.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS MARCELLUS OVER ZOO.
THAT'S VERY, UH, MARCELLUS WAS ADDED TONIGHT.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS IRVING BOULEVARD.
IRVING BRIDGE, WHICH IS OVER TRINITY WHEN IT GOES TOWARD THE, UM, TOWARD EAST, BASICALLY.
IT IS NOT LIKE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL WHEN WE SPENDING THAT MUCH MONEY ON IT VERSUS GETTING A LIST.
BUT I GUESS WHY THE LOCATION OF THE BRIDGE SHOULD MATTER WITH THE SAFETY OF THE BRIDGE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT.
WELL, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A NEW BRIDGE.
IS IT AN A FIXED NO, THESE ARE NO, THESE ARE, WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN THE INFORMATION.
SO WE CAN SIT HERE AND LET OUR INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CORE
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OF OUR CITY CONTINUE TO FALL APART OR WE CAN INVEST.AND SO EVERYBODY GETS A LITTLE TINY PIECE, BUT WE NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE.
AND THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY IS LITERALLY FALLING APART.
SO YOU SEE THINGS IN DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT SIX AND DISTRICT SEVEN AND 14.
AND WE CAN GO FROM THE OUTSIDE IN AND CONTINUE TO LET THE, THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY FALL APART.
OR WE CAN START IN THE MIDDLE AND START FIXING THINGS THAT ARE FROM 1936.
AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE STREETLIGHTS THAT ARE LITERALLY GOING TO FALL OVER ON MAJOR STREETS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE FROM 1936.
WE HAVE A CANYON THAT DIVIDED NEIGHBORHOODS THAT CAN'T GO FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
AND IF YOU WANNA GET P****D OFF, TRY AND TRAVEL DOWN THE STREETS AT FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON WHEN IT'S GRIDLOCK BECAUSE THERE'S A CANYON IN THE WAY.
SO CONNECTIVITY, AND THIS, THIS BRIDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS DECK TO CONNECT THE STREETS BACK, I THINK IS NOT, IS NOT JUST FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IT'S CITYWIDE BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS USING THIS.
IT'S AFFECTING THE REST OF THE CITY BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY.
SO I PERSONALLY, I HAD TO GIVE UP MY SIDEWALKS FOR CITYWIDE PROJECTS, TO BE FRANK WITH YOU.
UM, I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF A, A DARK BRIDGE.
AND WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS CITIZENS PAY $465 MILLION TO DART.
WHY IS THE BOND FUND MONEY GOING TO DART? WHY DON'T THEY PAY FOR THEIR OWN BRIDGE? NO, THIS IS THE CITY BRIDGE.
ACTUALLY THIS IS MALCOLM X BOULEVARD.
THAT'S THE BRIDGE THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING OVER THE DART STATION IN THAT SECTION, BASICALLY.
SO THAT BRIDGE NEEDS REPAIR AND IMPROVEMENT.
IS IT DARTS BRIDGE? NO, IT'S CITY BRIDGE.
MAY I SPEAK PORTION? UH, ALI, THAT BRIDGE, I'VE GONE OVER IT ORIGINALLY.
IT STARTS IN SOUTH DALLAS, DOWN BELOW ELSA, FAY HIGGINS, THE OLD HATCHETT STREET.
IT GOES ACROSS, IT'S NOT A BRIDGE WITH WATER UNDERNEATH.
DURING THE TIME, I THINK IT WAS, UH, MAYOR ADELINE HARRISON.
THAT'S WHEN THAT DARK, THAT'S WHEN THEY BEGAN TO HOUSE DARK CARS UNDERNEATH.
IT WAS TRADITIONALLY FOR RAILROADS.
WHEN, WHEN THEY SAY BRIDGE, IT JUST GOES OVER THAT.
MALCOLM X IS A STREET THAT RUNS EAST AND WEST.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONFUSION, 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD OF TONIGHT, A LOT OF OUR, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE SAYING IT'S MALCOLM X.
BACK IN THE DAY, IT WAS CALLED OAKLAND STREET MM-HMM.
AND IT LEADS OVER INTO THE, UH, HOSPITAL DISTRICT.
UM, I THINK WHAT WE CLEAR IT UP, GUS IS, UM, DOING THAT ALLY, I'M SORRY.
JUST GIVE US WHAT THE, THERE'S A SCORE ON THE BRIDGES, RIGHT.
JUST TELL US HOW BAD IT IS AND JUST SEND IT TO US.
WELL WE, WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION THERE.
SO EVERYBODY WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
THEY SCORE THESE BRIDGES, THEY'RE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE.
A LOT OF 'EM ARE IN TERRIBLE SHAPE.
AND WHEN THEY GET TO, YOU KNOW, BEING THE MOST TERRIBLE THAT THEY TRY, THEN THEY PUT THOSE ON THE LIST.
SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A, A BRIDGE COLLAPSE ON OUR WATCH.
MADAM, I DO WANNA SAY THAT IT'S FROM THE JUNE 13TH MEETING ON PAGE 15.
IT HAS THE FOUR PRIMARY BRIDGES WITH OUR TOTAL POINT SCORES AND THE YEARS THAT THEY WERE BUILT.
AND THAT BRIDGE WAS BUILT IN 1937.
UM, WHO SAID THAT? OKAY,
THERE'S A MOTION TO, UM, ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON EIGHT 18 FOR THE CITYWIDE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT.
WHO SECOND? OH, JENNIFER SECONDED.
IF THE SECRETARY IS TAKING NOTES, UM, ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.
UM, JUST TO POINT OUT, YOU KNOW, PATTY WAS
I WOULD SAY IT'S EASIER TO SAY THAT WHEN THERE'S $40 MILLION OF CITYWIDE MONEY GOING TOWARDS DISTRICT TWO, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN SIDEWALKS.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT IN GIVING UP.
BUT AT COMPLETE STREET, IT'S 11 MILLION DISTRICT FIVE ZERO PARTNERSHIP FUNDED PROJECT, 6.2 MILLION,
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DISTRICT FIVE ZERO PARTNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE, 18 AND A HALF MILLION DISTRICT FIVE, 500,000.YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION, BUT WE'RE HERE TO ADVOCATE ALSO OUR OWN DISTRICTS.
AND I WOULD SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THIS NEEDS INVENTORY, THE JEFFERSON HAMPTON, YOU KNOW, JEFFERSON FROM HAMPTON TO POLK PROJECT $3 MILLION, WHICH IS THE DESIGN OF THE COMPLETE STREET.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ALLOCATED TO THE MILITARY PARKWAY PROJECT.
THAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS BOND FUNDING PROPOSAL THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE SPENT.
WE CAME UP WITH A, YOU KNOW, A PLAN OR WE'RE COMING UP WITH A PLAN NOW AND THEN A DESIGN PHASE.
THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT I THINK ARE WORTH EXPLORING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THAT WE GET SOMETHING OUT OF THAT FUNDING AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING MORE BIKE LANES AND COMPLETE STREETS LEADING TO BISHOP ARTS, WHICH IS DOING PRETTY WELL RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? YEAH, I WOULD JUST, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH GRADY IN THAT THERE ARE CITYWIDE PROJECTS, THE WAY THEY'VE BEEN DEFINED TONIGHT IN DISTRICT 13 THAT ARE IN OUR STREETS INVENTORY LISTING INWOOD, HILLCREST, ROYAL FOREST, THOSE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PAY OUT OF OUR DISTRICT MONEY.
AND THAT'S NOT FAIR THAT FOUR DISTRICTS ARE GETTING OVER 75% OF CITYWIDE FUNDS WHEN WE HAVE CITYWIDE STREETS THAT NEED ATTENTION AND THEY'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO USE OUR DISTRICT MONEY TO GET THEM.
SO I I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, 1, 2, 6 AND SEVEN ARE THE MAIN ARTERIES OF OUR CITY.
I THINK OUR CITY IS PRETTY SPREAD OUT AND THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEVER GO SOUTH OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEVER GO NORTH OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
SO I THINK IT'S ALL A, A SUBJECTIVE NATURE OF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEVER GO EAST OF 75.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEVER GO WEST OF 35, BUT ALL OF THOSE ARE CITY OF DALLAS PEOPLE AND THEY MAY NOT USE WHAT YOU USE TO SAY THAT THIS IS THE PRIORITY FOR EVERYBODY.
SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THAT A BETTER DISTRIBUTION AMONG THE DISTRICTS NEEDS TO BE REPRESENTED IN THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
ANY MORE COMMENTS BEFORE WE VOTE JENNIFER? UM, ONE COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVEN'T QUITE REMINDED OURSELVES OF IS THE EQUITY PRIORITY AREA COMPONENT.
AND THESE PROJECTS IN DISTRICT TWO AND SEVEN AND THEIR CONNECTIVITY THROUGH DISTRICT 14 ALL RUN THROUGH HIGH EQUITY PRIORITY AREAS.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHY THEY HAVE A HIGHER SCORE.
AND PART OF THE OVERALL PURPOSE OF THIS BOND IS TO ELEVATE PARTS OF DALLAS THAT ARE IN THOSE AREAS.
I WOULD SAY PLEASANT GROVE AND DISTRICT FIVE IS ALSO ONE OF THOSE.
AND WE HAVE THE LOWEST OF ALL THE DISTRICTS OF THE ALLOCATION OF THIS FUND.
SO EQUITY IS NOT DETERMINING WHERE THESE FUNDS ARE GOING.
DOESN'T FOR PROPOSING, UM, OPTION F AND THE HYBRID OF OPTION D HAVING EQUITY PRIORITY AS A PERCENTAGE OF ALLOCATIONAL FUNDS RATHER THAN JUST PERCENT OF NEEDS.
UM, BEVERLY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YOUR LIGHTS ON? NO, NO, NO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO DEBATE.
UM, PATTY, IF YOU'LL RESTATE THE, WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON IT WAS YOUR WHAT? MY MOTION.
UH, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR CITYWIDE PROJECTS, UM, AS DATED ON THE SHEET, THE HANDOUT 8 18 23.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION THAT BEVERLY JUST MADE? RAISE YOUR HAND.
SUSAN, IF YOU'LL TEXT ME AS A MATTER OF FACT, SHE JUST DID, HANG ON JUST A SECOND SO WE CAN GET AN ACCURATE COUNT.
SUSAN VOTED YES, SO THAT'S SIX ON THE MOTION.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED 1, 2, 3 REPOSED.
UM, CAN I GET SOMETHING LINDA
IF, IF YOU NOTICE THAT THE SHEET THAT SAYS CITYWIDE PROJECT REQUESTS, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS ON THERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT IN NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO I MEAN, AFTER THIS MEETING, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE CITYWIDE PROJECTS, I'LL JUST SEND 'EM IN AND THEY WON'T BE IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY AND, AND YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS, THIS SHEET THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS, ADDITIONAL ONES THAT WERE SENT IN, YOU'LL SEE THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT ARE NOT IN THE NEEDS INVENTORY.
SO JUST SEND YOUR PROJECTS IN.
THESE ARE GONNA BE CONSIDERED THEN, OH WAIT, WAIT, NO
RIGHT, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
LEMME JUST STAY WITH WHAT WE'RE JUST DOING JUST RIGHT NOW.
SO WE CAN GET THAT OFF THE TABLE.
MY QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THE MOTION THAT WE JUST VOTED ON, DOES THAT NEGATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE 54%?
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NO.JUST A CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF.
THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE PROJECT LIST THAT YOU GAVE US NOW ON THIS NOW, NOW THAT WE'VE GOT THAT ALL CLEARED UP.
EVERYBODY'S GONNA GET A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY.
IF YOU'RE NOT CLEAR ON IT, JUST SAY SO RIGHT NOW.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING TO MAKE IT CLEARER.
UM, SINCE WE JUST VOTED ON THIS LIST FOR CITYWIDE PROJECTS, WOULD IT BE EASIER TO SIMPLY SAY THAT THIS LIST STAYS NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY WE GET AND ANY MONEY THAT ISN'T GOING TO, THIS GOES TO THE DISTRICT MINUS THE BRIDGES, WOULD THAT BE EASIER THAN HAVING TO THROW AROUND A BUNCH OF PERCENTAGES? WELL, I'M NOT SO SURE.
WOULD THAT WORK, SAY ONE TIME? SO WE JUST HAVE THIS LIST SO WE COULD, YOU KNOW, WE VOTED AND SO WE'RE, THIS IS FINAL.
SO NOW IF THE PERCENTAGES START MOVING AROUND, THIS LIST WOULD CHANGE, RIGHT? SO WHAT I'M PROPOSING IS WE JUST SAY THIS IS THE LIST END OF STORY.
IF WE GET LESS MONEY, THEN IT'S LESS.
IF WE GET MORE THEN IT GOES TO THE DISTRICT.
WHAT, WHAT, WHICH SCENARIO? 'CAUSE YOU GOT TWO OF 'EM ON HERE.
YOU'VE GOT A 4 85 AND A FIVE 20, A 4 85.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE FIVE BECAUSE THAT'S THE 50% WAS THE 4 85.
SO IF I PUT MY GLASSES ON, I CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE TWO COLUMNS.
THE 4 85 COLUMN WOULD BE THE 50% WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.
SO IF IT'S OVER 4 85, THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? BECAUSE YOU ACCOMPLISH, OH, I SEE.
YOU GO TO THE FOUR, TO THE FIVE TO FIVE 20.
NO, YOU WOULDN'T GET THE MONEY TO THE DISTRICTS.
OH, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE, TO BEGIN WITH.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S HIS UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING.
HE'S SAYING WE USE THIS RATHER THAN TRYING TO TALK ABOUT PERCENTAGES.
YEAH, TRYING TO SIMPLIFY MY MOTION.
WHICH IS SAYING ANYTHING OVER, IF WE GET 54%, IT'S JUST SAYING IF WE GET 4 85, WE USE THIS LIST UNDER 4 85 PERIOD AND EVERYTHING GOES ABOVE THAT GOES TO THE DISTRICTS.
IF WE GET LESS, THEY'VE GOTTA CUT OFF THE 4 85 LIST.
AS DO THE DISTRICTS HAVE TO CUT THEIR LIST.
UM, WELL I GUESS THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MOTION SAID WAS THAT WE WOULD ACCEPT THIS REGARDLESS.
THAT IS WHAT IT, SO THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS.
IF YOU WANT, IF YOU WANNA MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION, THEN IT HAS TO BE SOMEBODY FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
OH, I, WELL CAN I JUST CLARIFY? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE VOTING AT THAT TIME.
I THOUGHT IT WAS EITHER IPHONE EITHER.
I'M HAPPY TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION, BUT I HAVE JUST A QUICK CLARIFYING QUESTION.
UHHUH
SO IS THIS LIST, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT LIKE THE FIVE 20, IS THAT INCLUDING THE 50 MILLION OF THE TRANSPORTATION? THIS LIST HAS STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION.
THE ONE THAT IS ON EIGHT 18 HAS BOTH, RIGHT? SO I THINK THE FIVE, SO THIS LIST, I GUESS WHAT, OKAY, LET ME SAY IS THE 4 85 INCLUDING THE 50 MILLION TRANSPORTATION? NO.
IS THE FIVE 20? NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.
SO, SORRY, SO WHY IS IT, SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE I WAS CONFUSED.
'CAUSE THE, I HAVE THE SAME THREE THINGS ON THIS SHEET AND THIS SHEET.
SO YES, BECAUSE THE 50 MILLION IS NOT CHANGING.
LIKE IT'S NOT, THERE'S, THERE'S NO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
THERE'S JUST A 50 MILLION SCENARIO.
SO THIS ASSUMES THE 4 85 PLUS 50, EVEN THOUGH IT'S LABELED 4 85.
JUST SO EVERYTHING COULD BE IN ONE PLACE.
BUT ALSO HAVE THE TWO SCENARIOS.
SO YEAH, JUST EVERYTHING IN ONE PLACE.
SO IT'S THAT NUMBER PLUS THE 50 ESSENTIALLY.
UM, YEAH, I GUESS THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LABELED
SO THIS IS TECHNICALLY OPERATING AT WITH THE 50.
SO IF WE WENT WITH THE FIVE 20, IT'S REALLY FIVE 70.
SO SINCE SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE MOTION COMPLETELY, THAT THIS LIST HAD BOTH A 4 85 AND A FIVE 20, UH, IN ORDER TO CHANGE THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE PREVAILING SIDE.
SO THEN I WOULD MOTION TO VOTE ON THIS AGAIN RIGHT NOW.
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AND VOTING, I GUESS ARE TO ACCEPT THIS, WHETHER IT'S THE 4 85 OR THE FIVE 20 OPTION.AND THEN ANYTHING OVER THAT WOULD GO TO THE DISTRICTS? NO, THAT'S WRONG.
I, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE, THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD BEFORE.
I THINK THEY'RE SAYING JUST THE CALL, THE FIRST COLUMN OR FIRST AND SECOND COLUMN.
DARREN, YOU GO WE, WE WE NEED TO GO WITH JUST ONE SCENARIO.
YEAH, BECAUSE IT COULD COME BACK AT 500 AND IT DOESN'T MATCH EITHER OF THESE SCENARIOS.
SO, UM, I'LL TRY THIS IF I'M NOT CRAFTING THIS CORRECTLY.
UM, MOTION THAT, UM, WE ACCEPT THE LIST OF CITYWIDE PROJECTS UP TO 4 85 SCENARIO AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL THAT WE GET FROM THE TASK FORCE ABOVE 4 85 GOES TO THE DISTRICTS.
WERE YOU ON THE PREVAILING SIDE? I WAS.
UM, CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION AND I'LL NEED A SECOND.
UM, WHAT DID I SAY?
UM, AND THAT ANY ADDITIONAL UH, ABOVE THAT, THAT COMES FROM THE TASK FORCE BE DISTRIBUTED AMONGST THE DISTRICTS ACCORDING TO OPTION A? YEAH.
BUT IF IT IS LIST, IF IT IS LESS THAN FOUR 85 MILLION IT'LL GET FROM TASK FORCE, THEN WE WILL DEDUCT EQUALLY FROM THE DISTRICTS AND CITY LINE.
DO YOU HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? SECOND.
WE'RE GONNA TRY THIS ONE MORE TIME.
SO SUSAN, I HOPE YOU'RE STILL WITH US 'CAUSE YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO VOTE AS WELL.
CAN I, CAN I JUST ADD A COMMENT? SO, SO YOU'RE, SO WE'RE VOTING ON THE 45? YES.
UM, I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE IT THE NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WOULD, UH, LEAVE ALMOST NO MONEY FOR DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS THE PRIMARY LARGEST, UH, MONEYMAKER FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU PRIORITIZE THOSE IN THE 4 85 SCENARIO THEN? BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY $36 MILLION FOR COMPLETE STREET PROJECTS.
AND THE DOWNTOWN PROJECT IS, BUT YOU COULD HAVE MOVED THE MONEY AROUND BETWEEN THOROUGHFARE EXPANSIONS AND OTHER THINGS.
I DID, BUT I MEAN, YOU, YOU, YOU GUYS PRIORITIZE THIS LIST OF THE $176 MILLION.
YOU DIDN'T PRIORITIZE DOWNTOWN.
'CAUSE YOU HAD $176 MILLION TO DISTRIBUTE AND NOW YOU'RE COMING BACK TO US AND SAYING, THAT LEAVES NOTHING FOR DOWNTOWN.
WELL, YOU MADE THAT CHOICE, NOT US.
WHERE, WHERE IS DOWNTOWN ON THIS LIST THEN? I'M SORRY.
OH, I SEE WHERE YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT.
DID THAT COME IN LATE? DID THAT PROJECT COME IN? WAS IT A TIMING OF THAT PROJECT? UH, YOU MEAN WHY? IT WASN'T, UH, THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T ON THERE WAS BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A CITY LEADERSHIP PRIORITY TO HAVE FUNDING FOR DEBT CAPS.
I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DEBT CAPS.
THE DEBT CAPS OR FOR A TECH STOP PROJECT THAT HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETELY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL.
SO WHY WOULD WE FUND THEM AND BOND MONEY WHEN THOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS COULD BE SPENT ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS IN DOWNTOWN DALLAS? UM, I DON'T THINK THAT CITY COUNCIL, UH, HAS APPROVAL POWER OVER THE HIGHWAYS.
I MEAN, I THINK THEY ENDORSED THERE WAS THE RESOLUTION IN ENDORSING THE DEPRESSED VERSION AND NOW TXDOT IS BEGINNING THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR THAT.
UM, SO IN THAT SENSE, THEY DID APPROVE IT.
I GUESS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY DID WITH THE CANYON PROJECT, WHICH I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS STILL ONGOING DISCUSSION THAT TEXTILE WOULDN'T CONTINUE WITH PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE MAJOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVALS OF THEM.
AND THAT 3 45 WAS STILL HAVING A STUDY ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO DO HIGHWAY THERE AT ALL.
UM, I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I BELIEVE THE RESOLUTION WAS BASICALLY TO SUPPORT THE DEPRESSION AS WELL AS, UH, ASKING, UM, STAFF AND REGIONAL PARTNERS TO CONTINUE ADDITIONAL STUDIES.
SO IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL STUDIES AND THESE PROJECTS MAY TAKE A DECADE TO COME TO FRUITION.
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ON BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE NEXT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS.WHY WOULD WE INCLUDE IT IN THIS BOND AND NOT THE NEXT ONE? UM, I REALLY WISH GUS WAS HERE RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK HIS EXPECTATION IS THAT 3 45 WILL GO TO CONSTRUCTION IN THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS.
UM, I'M, I'M SORRY THAT THAT IN ON THIS LIST THAT WE WERE VOTING ON, THE ONLY THING I SEE THAT WENT FROM ZERO TO 19 WAS THE SAN JACINTO LAMAR ROSS.
THEY'RE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ONE-WAY, UH, COUPLET.
BUT ROSS HAS SORT OF LIKE ONE LANE THAT MAKES, THAT GOES IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, MAKING A TWO-WAY STREET.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY A ONE-WAY COUPLET WITH ROSS, BUT IT GOES TO LAMAR.
THEN, UH, ONE LIMIT IS IT DOES STOP AT 3 45.
AND THEN AS IT GOES THROUGH DOWNTOWN, UH, IT SORT OF 3 45 5 CUTS IT SO IT DOESN'T CONNECT ACROSS 3 45.
SO THERE'S ANOTHER SECTION DOWNTOWN, UM, THAT IS THE SORT OF PRIMARY ONE-WAY STREET OPPOSITE OF ROSS.
AND SO OTHER THAN THAT, UH, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENCE OF 35 MILLION.
WHERE'S THE OTHER? UH, THEY ONLY GET HALF OF IT.
HALF GOES TO CITYWIDE, HALF GOES TO THE DISTRICTS WHEN WE BUMP FROM 4 85 TO FIVE 20.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHICH OTHER PROJECT IS DIFFERENT IN THE TWO SCENARIOS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE OTHER 15 OR SO OTHER 15 MILLION DIFFERENCE? 'CAUSE THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME.
SO THE, YEAH, LIKE, UM, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S THE, THERE'S A $35 MILLION DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO SCENARIOS AND HALF OF THAT GOES TO CITYWIDE.
SO THAT IS THE SAN JACINTO PROJECT.
SO THE OTHER 15 WOULD COME TO OTHER INITIATIVES.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO SCENARIOS REALLY FROM, IN TERMS OF WHAT WE VOTED ON.
YEAH, I GUESS I, I AM STRUGGLING OVERALL WITH THE LIMITED TIME WE HAVE SPENT ON CITYWIDE PROJECTS RELATIVE TO OUR DISTRICT PROJECTS AND THAT IT IS HALF THE MONEY.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M, I'VE SPENT MORE TIME FIGURING HOW TO SPEND A THOUSAND DOLLARS IN MY LIFE THAN WE'RE SPENDING 176 MILLION THE CITYWIDE WE WERE GOING WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND NOW YOU THROW AT US, WELL THAT LEAVES NOTHING FOR DOWNTOWN.
WELL, THAT MAKES ME CONCERNED THAT WAS THERE ENOUGH THOUGHT PUT INTO THE OVERALL LIST.
IF YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT SOMETHING GETTING LEFT OUT AT A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY OF A 4 85 LEVEL, THAT WOULD GET LEFT OUT IN ANY SCENARIO WHETHER WE VOTE FOR IT OR NOT.
SO IT DOES MAKE ME CONCERNED HOW WAS, HOW THOUGHTFUL AND THOROUGH WAS THIS LIST VETTED INTERNALLY? OR WAS THIS ALL DONE AT HIGHER LEVELS AND YOU'RE JUST REPORTING OUT THE OUTPUT? UM, IT, UM, BOTH, UM, IT WAS EXTENSIVELY DISCUSSED INTERNALLY AND ALSO I MIGHT'VE, UH, SPOKE ABOVE MY STATION.
WELL, IN NO STRETCH DO WE WANNA GET ANYBODY IN TROUBLE AND WE APPRECIATE THE TRANSPARENCY.
SO THANK YOU, UM, FOR SHARING IT.
I HAVE A, A QUESTION, A POTENTIAL PROPOSAL, UM, ON THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS.
THERE ARE TWO, DO YOU WANNA VOTE ON DARREN'S PROPOSAL FIRST, JUST SINCE IT WAS MADE? I DON'T, JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER, DO WE WANNA VOTE OR DO WE WANNA PICK ANOTHER PROPOSAL FIRST? I THINK WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY IS RELATED TO DARREN'S PROPOSAL.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SAY NOW IS ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE CITYWIDE PROJECTS AT THE BOTTOM, THERE ARE TWO DECK CAPS THAT BOTH TOTAL 10 MILLION EACH.
SO THAT WOULD BE 20 MILLION, WHICH IS THE SAME AS THIS CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE SAN JACINTO PROJECT.
SO WE COULD MOVE THE SAN JACINTO PROJECT INTO THE FOUR 85 MILLION SCENARIO AND MOVE THE DECK CAPS INTO THE FIVE 20.
WHO IS DISTRICT TWO? OH, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING AND I UNDERSTAND THE TIMEFRAME AND I, AND I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO'S, UM, WELL HE'S, HE'S IN SUPPORT OF WAY MORE THAN WE HAVE MONEY FOR.
SO
I MEAN, I, AND I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LIKE IF THESE ARE NOT GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED ANYTIME SOON, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH I 30 AND HOW THEY'RE CHANGING EXITS.
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OF THESE THINGS MIGHT HAVE TO GET DONE BECAUSE WE ARE GONNA BLOCK TRAFFIC FROM SOUTH DALLAS GETTING INTO DOWNTOWN.WELL THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE QUESTION.
UM, I, CAN I ASK THE STAFF A QUESTION? IS THE DECK CAP FOR PARKS, ARE THEY, ARE THEY LOAD BEARING AND THEY'LL HAVE A STREET ACROSS THERE? THAT'S WHY I'M JUST CURIOUS.
WHAT WOULD BE ON THEM? IT COULD BE A PARK, IT COULD BE A PLATFORM, IT COULD BE A BUILDING.
UM, AGAIN, I WISH GUS WAS HERE 'CAUSE HE COULD TALK ABOUT THIS, HOW THEY DETERMINE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL LOAD FOR, TO, TO DESIGN THEM AS.
BUT I, I BELIEVE, UM, THIS SORT OF STANDARD IS TYPICALLY SOME SOMEWHERE BE BETWEEN A PLAZA AND A PARK, WHICH WOULD NOT WHICH NOT WOULD NOT CARRY TRAFFIC.
IS THAT CORRECT? UH, NO, THE, THERE'S BRIDGES THAT ARE SEPARATE.
SO THESE WOULD JUST BE LIKE PUBLIC TYPE SPACES.
SO I'M JUST LETTING YOU, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW, I, IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL KESSLER PLAN.
I THINK THESE DECK PARKS THAT, THAT, UH, WERE SUPPOSED TO BE AROUND THE CITY.
I'M, I'M DEFINITELY ALL IN FAVOR OF DEBT PARK.
OH NO, I'M JUST, I'M JUST GIVING YOU A LITTLE HISTORY.
UM, AND THESE ARE ONES THAT I THINK WILL BE VERY SUPER VALUABLE TO THE CITY.
HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, $20 MILLION IS MORE THAN MOST OF OUR DISTRICTS ARE GETTING.
AND THIS IS FOR TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT APPROVED, NOT VOTED ON, NOT FUNDED, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT MONEY INTO THIS BOND.
UM, FOR THINGS THAT ARE JUST COMPLETELY UNPROVEN AT THIS POINT, WE KNOW WE WANT TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
BUT, UM, I I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S A BIG PILE OF MONEY.
COULD I, COULD I MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE, UH, MOTION? WELL JUST HAVE A DISCUSSION.
I WANNA JUST SAY SOMETHING ALSO TO THAT POINT ON DECK PARKS.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED OVER WOODALL ROGERS THAT WAS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE WARREN FAMILY, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT ISN'T BEING CONTEMPLATED TO THE JENNIFER'S POINT? THAT THIS ISN'T AS FAR DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY ASIDE FOR IT, IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT THE STRUCTURE HAS TO BE THERE, RIGHT? TO PUT THE DECK PARK.
I MEAN THE, THE PARK ITSELF WAS A PRIVATE PAR, PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WASN'T THE STRUCTURE FOR THE PARK THAT HAS TO BE THERE BEFORE YOU CAN.
THERE, THE PARK THERE IS PRIVATE ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE PRIVATE MONEY FOR, FOR THIS STRUCTURE AS WELL BECAUSE THIS $10 MILLION WOULD ONLY COVER ABOUT 10% OF THAT RETAINING STRUCTURE COST.
UM, SO IT'S ANTICIPATED THAT THERE WOULD BE SOME, UH, SOME PRIVATE FUNDING, UH, AS WELL.
THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO CONSTRUCTION IN UH, 2025.
AND UH, WE HAVE TO, IF WE DO WANT THAT TO BE IN THAT, TO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THAT PROJECT, WE DO HAVE TO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT BY NEXT YEAR.
SO BASICALLY BY THE BOND HAVE THAT COMMITMENT.
SO WHAT IF WE DID, UM, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT AS POSSIBLE SCENARIO AND I DON'T WANNA BE P****D THERE, BUT, UM, SO IF I 30 IS ACTUALLY MOVING FORWARD, 3 45 IS NOT YET.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S MUCH FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD.
WE COULD, WE, HOW MUCH COULD WE GET DONE ON THE SAN JACINTO LINK WITH 10 INSTEAD OF 19? UM, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO CONFER THAT MORE INTERNALLY.
UM, IT COULD BE DIFFICULT, HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT IS DOWNTOWN, THERE COULD BE MORE OF A, UH, PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY.
BOTH I THINK POTENTIALLY WITH DAR AND WITH, UH, DOWNTOWN DALLAS INC.
SO, UM, PENDING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, THERE COULD BE, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOWER THAT AND MAKE THAT MORE OF A SORT OF PARTNERSHIP PROJECT LIKE THAT.
ONE FINAL QUESTION ON FOR ME ON THE DEBT CAPS, IS THE BOND THE ONLY WAY THAT THOSE SUPERSTRUCTURES COULD BE FUNDED? LIKE IF THERE'S, IF IF THE DEBT CAPS FOR I 30, LIKE THERE'S UM, THE ONE NEAR FAIR PARK'S NOT ON THE LIST 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T LIST IT AS A PRIORITY FOR THE BOND.
UM, SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF THERE'S NOT A PLACEHOLDER 2 MILLION IN THERE, IT'S NEVER GOING TO GET DONE? UM, SO I 30, I THINK, UH, THE EAST I 30 EAST ONE, UM, I THINK THE LATEST THAT I'VE HEARD IS THEY ANTICIPATE NOW THAT I 3 45 WILL GO TO CONSTRUCTION BEFORE I 30 EAST.
UM, SO THAT IS WHY THE 3 45 WAS PLACED BEFORE THE I 30 EAST.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I THINK BEVERLY HAD AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
SO WHOEVER MADE THE MOTION, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHO MADE THE DARREN.
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SO I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THAT TO SWITCH THE, SHOULD I GIVE MY REASONING FIRST OR SHOULD I MAKE THE MOTIONUH, REMOVE THAT FROM SCENARIO, THE 4 85 SCENARIO.
PLUG IN THE SAN JACINTO FOR 19 IN THE 3 45 SCENARIO.
4 85 SCENARIO AND KEEP EVERYTHING THE SAME.
NO, CAN I JUST SAY WHY I'D LIKE TO DO THAT.
I HAVE TO SAY THAT FRANKLY I THINK CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE MORE APTT TO GO HIGHER UH, ON THE FIVE 20 WITH A PROJECT LIKE THAT.
THOSE TWO IN THE FIVE 20 SCENARIO AS OPPOSED TO THE 4 85 SCENARIO.
AND SO WE CAN, AND THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE TALK AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGEMENT TO INCREASE THE BOND.
SO WE COULD INCENTIVIZE THEM BASED ON OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO HIGHER AND ACHIEVE MORE.
THAT WAS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
DOES THE MAKER OF THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT EXCEPT THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO NOW WE HAVE TO VOTE ON DARREN'S ORIGINAL AMENDED.
WHAT'S BEEN AMENDED BY HER? WELL, WELL WE HAVE TO VOTE ON YEAH.
WHAT HE IS GOING TO TELL US ON THE, ON THE AMENDED, AMENDED MOTION.
I THINK TECHNICALLY BY ROBERT'S RULES WE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
OH, WELL EVEN THOUGH YOU ACCEPT THAT MOTION, THINK IT AND THEN YOU VOTE ON THE MOTION.
I'VE NEVER HARM IN DOING THAT.
WE CAN VOTE ON YOUR AMENDMENT.
WE CAN VOTE ON YOUR AMENDMENT.
DOES EVERYBODY UM, UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT THEN? WE DON'T HAVE PARLIAMENTARIAN IN HERE.
IT'S, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION, PLEASE, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND.
1, 2, 3, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9 PLEASE.
IT, IT IS GONNA PASS BUT I'VE GOTTA MAKE SURE THAT SUSAN GETS ON THE RECORD YES.
UM, 10 WITH ONE AND THOSE OPPOSED WITH ONE OPPOSED IS ABS AND ONE ABSTENTION.
CAN WE FOR THE RECORD, MAKE SURE IT'S, COULD BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
CAN WE RESTATED MOTION AND THE AMENDMENT PLEASE? THE MOTION OR THE AMENDMENT? I THINK THE MOTION AND THE AMENDMENT BOTH.
WE VOTED ON THE AMENDMENT SO SHE'LL RESTATE THE AMENDMENT SO WE CAN GET IT ON THE RECORD.
SO THE MOTION A DARREN PUT FORWARD WAS I, I KNOW, BUT IT WAS ABOUT THE 4 85.
SO WHAT MY AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION WAS THAT WE WOULD REMOVE THE DEBT CAP OVER IH 30 AND THE DEBT CAP OVER IH 4 3 45 FROM THE 4 85 SCENARIO AND PUT IN 19% JACINTO IN THE 4 85 SCENARIO.
WE PUT BACK YES, BUT WE PUT THEM BACK IN FOR THE 5 26.
DARREN, WE VOTED ON THE AMENDMENT.
UH, YOU WANT ME TO RESTATE THAT AGAIN? YES, I
UH, GOSH, I WISH WE HAD A SCRIBE.
UM, I THINK THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IN MY ORIGINAL MOTION I DID NOT INCLUDE THE FIVE 20 SCENARIO.
SO THAT'S GONNA START A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION.
YOU KNOW, UM, YEAH, SO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT, I'LL JUST, UH, TRY TO TRY TO RECAPTURE IT.
WELL I'VE GOT IT WRITTEN DOWN HERE.
[02:15:01]
THE RECOMMENDED CITYWIDE PROJECTS DATED EIGHT 18 IN THE $485 MILLION SCENARIO.THAT IF TASK FORCE GOES ABOVE THAT THE, ANY OVERAGE WOULD GO TO THE DISTRICTS.
IF THE TASK FORCE GOES BELOW THAT, IT'S PROPORTIONATELY TAKEN FROM CITYWIDE AND THE DISTRICTS, IF IT GOES ABOVE THE 4 85, YOU GO INTO THE 54%, WHICH WAS RIGHT.
IT'S, IT'S WHAT THE OVERAGE WOULD GO TO THE DISTRICT BASED ON.
THAT WAS WHAT THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS.
SO THAT DOES NOT ACCOMMODATE WHAT I THINK SHE HAD ENOUGH.
SO THAT, SO THAT ESSENTIALLY WOULD KICK OUT THOSE CAPS MM-HMM.
FIVE 20 WON'T EVER BE AN OPTION.
ALL THAT MONEY WOULD GO TO THE DISTRICT, GOES TO THE DISTRICT, NOT PLACE ANY SILHOUETTES YOU NEVER GET.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS YOU WOULD NEVER GET THE DECK, DECK PARK, THE, THE DECKS BACK IN PLAY.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE'S NO WAY CITY COUNCIL'S GONNA LET THAT FLY, BUT CITY COUNCIL MIGHT ADD IT.
THEY'RE GONNA YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA REDO IT ALL.
OKAY, SO THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
BASICALLY IT WAS YOUR AMENDMENT PLUS WHAT YOU SAID, PLUS THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT OF THE, UM, 45 AND THEN THE SPLIT ON, UM, UH, 5 5 20 CORRECT.
AND THE, AND THE OVERAGE GOING TO THE DISTRICTS AND OPTION A, I JUST SAY ONE LAST THING ABOUT THE DEBT CAPS.
I THINK ANY KIND OF PROJECT THAT'S GONNA END UP GOING ON OVER THERE, IF IT DOES COST A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T DO THAT HERE TODAY, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE, AND I COULD BE WRONG ON THIS, BUT I, I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE WHOLE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
IT ENDED UP GOING AS SHE SAID, WELL IT WAS ONLY 10% OF THE COST, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
SO POINT BEING THAT IF THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING INTO LATER AND THEY HAVE TO SPEND AND, AND IF, BUT IT'S NOT OUR PROJECT, IT'S TEXT DOTS PROJECT.
IT COST 15 INSTEAD OF 10 TO DO IT LATER.
BECAUSE OF ESCALATION COST COST, THE SCHEDULE DOESN'T FEEL AS SOLID.
IT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT BOND PROGRAM.
THERE MAY BE ONE IN A FEW YEARS.
BUT IT'S TECHOPS PROJECT, YOU CAN ADD THAT ON.
I THINK THE, BECAUSE THEY ADDED JUST SIMPLY THEY ADDED IT ONTO THE DECK PARK, THAT'S CLYDE WARREN PARK.
SO IT'S NOT STRUCTURALLY THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT, IT'S JUST THAT IT'S CHEAPER BECAUSE TXDOT IS DOING THE PROJECT AND SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND RETROFIT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU SAVE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A, A COST SAVINGS TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE.
UM, BUT I THINK WE HAVE YOUR JUST, UH, SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT TIME THAT UH, WE DO A BOND THING IS TO HAVE A SECRETARY TO WRITE THIS DOWN BECAUSE LINDA'S SECRETARIAL SKILLS ARE NOT ALL THAT GREAT.
BUT I DO THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THE COMMITTEE IS SAYING THEY AT THIS TIME, THEY DON'T WANT THE DECK PARK.
IT'S NOT THAT THEY DON'T EVER WANT THE DECK PARK, IT'S JUST JUST THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE NEEDS OF THE CITY AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO, UM, REMOVE THAT AND PUT IN SAN JACINTO, UH, LAMAR AND ROSS.
THAT PROJECT STILL, IF ANYTHING GOES OVER THE, THE 4 85 RIGHT? THE SPLIT WILL BE 54, UM, 46.
54% GOING DISTRICTS BASED ON OPTION A.
IT'S EVERYTHING OVER FOUR, FIVE.
WELL THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REMOVE YOUR MOTION THEN.
BACK IN THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE, OF THE, OF THE MEETING WE NEVER VOTED ON IT.
OKAY, SO FOR THE RECORD, 'CAUSE I WROTE IT DOWN INCORRECTLY.
I WROTE IT RIGHT DOWN THERE CORRECTLY.
[02:20:03]
OKAY.SO ANYTHING OVER THAT WE'LL GO INTO EIGHT 50%.
SO AT THAT POINT YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANY MORE DISTRICT AND I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND DISTRICT, WE ARE ACTUALLY AT 53.5% OF THE TOTAL BILLION DOLLAR BOND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S 4 85 PLUS 50, WHICH GETS YOU TO 5 35.
SO WE SHOULD BE ASKING FOR 53.5% IS I THINK WHAT WE MEANT TO BE ASKING FOR LAST TIME, EVEN THOUGH WE VOTED FOR 50.
SO IT'S 4 85 PLUS 50 IS 5 35 AND OUT OF A BILLION DOLLARS, THAT'S 53.5%.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAID, WHATEVER THAT AMOUNT IS, WE WANT HALF OF IT.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A MOTION.
OKAY, SO LET'S VOTE ON DARREN'S.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE WE AMEND WHAT WE APPROVED LAST WEEK, WHICH IS OF THE TOTAL BOND AMOUNT THAT THE STREETS AND TRANSPORTATION GET 53.5% OF IT.
OKAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 54%.
I HAVE, I I'M GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SHOW OF HANDS THEN.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR TO 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
UM, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO? AWESOME.
STAFF, DO YOU HAVE YOUR MARCHING ORDERS? YES.
WE ARE NOT MEETING AGAIN YOU GUYS, I DON'T THINK UNLESS YOU KNOW.
AND EVERYBODY THANK DARREN ON THE WAY OUT.
IF WE MEET AGAIN, IT'S JUST TO GO OVER WHAT I'M GONNA SAY.
THE CINNAMON COOKIES ARE AMAZING AT THE OTHER MEETINGS.
THE CINNAMON COOKIES ARE VERY GOOD.
AND, AND THANK YOU ALL REALLY, UM, FOR YOUR HARD WORK.