[Community Police Oversight Board on September 12, 2023.]
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SO, MR. WILLIAMS, WE DO HAVE A, A QUORUM HERE.
Y'ALL READY TO, TO START? MR. MCCLAR IS HEADED DOWN TO, HE'S HEADED DOWN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WAIT, SAY IT AGAIN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SHE, SHE, SO I'M SAYING WE, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED? WAY, SIR? SHE'S ON HER WAY, SIR, WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU.
SO YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY NEED TO COME HERE, MR. WILLIAMS. ALL HE IS SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE ARE READY TO START.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU.
MR. MCCLARY ISS ON THE WAY DOWN THERE WITH THE EXTRA COPIES FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO DO NOT HAVE A PROGRAM MEMBER FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ON THE TROLLEY.
CAN WE REQUIRE ALL CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES WORKING FOR THIS GROUP TO BE IN THE ROOM? I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE HIRING.
MR. WE HAVE MR. WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS HAVE EVER NO, NO, NO.
HE'S ALWAYS, HE'S REMOTE GOING TO BE USING.
USE THIS COMPUTER TO, CAN'T USE IT DOWN HERE.
HE'S NOT IN THE LAPTOP, I DON'T THINK.
WE HAVE A HARD TIME HEARING HIM EVERY TIME.
NO, THAT'S A THAT, BUT, UH, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
I'M JUST SAYING WHY I THINK WE CAN TALK.
RIGHT? SO CAN I DON'T, I DIDN'T WANT NOT TO SHOW VIDEO RIGHT HERE.
NO, WE SAYING YOU HAVE A FORUM.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OPEN MIC, BUT I'M SAYING WE STARTED WITH MIC.
WE HAVE SOMEONE ONLINE SPEAK REAL QUICK.
LET KNOW WHEN WE, WHEN IT'S TEST, WE HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU AND MS. SANFORD.
ARE WE IN? ARE WE IN, ARE WE LIVE RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
I TOLD MR.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING THE ORDER.
THE TIME IS NOW 5:52 PM I'M J SW ROADWAY.
NOW THE CARRIE JUNIOR CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR AND THOROUGHLY OR TRANSPARENT.
AND ENSURE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT, PROCESS, DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS.
ENSURE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSES OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS, REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
DIRECT OR MONITOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
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EXCEPT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.TAKES SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.
RECORDS THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS, BOARD DECORUM.
DURING BOARD MEETINGS, MEMBERS SHALL PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM AND SHALL NEITHER BY CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS, NOR REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
THIS ALSO APPLIES TO OUR GUESTS AND THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
ALL MEMBERS AND GUESTS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, THE CITY EMPLOYEES, AND TO FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS.
REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.
PER OUR ADOPTED RULES AND PROCEDURES, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON WITH SOME DISCRETION BY ME AS NEEDED.
BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED.
PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE TAKEN NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND TO HAVE HEALTHY AND EVEN SPIRITED DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES I MENTIONED ABOVE.
AND SO WITH THAT, I OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
GIMME ONE SECOND BEFORE YOU START.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND START.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
YOU DO HAVE HANDOUTS BASED UP, BASED ON BEING BATTLED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR OVER A DECADE.
IT WARRANTS YOU TO GO BACK TO REVISE, REVAMP, AND RECONSTRUCT THE WAY YOU HANDLE AND APPROACH HARASSMENT COMPLAINTS INTERNALLY.
BECAUSE IF EACH OF YOU CAN USE ONE ANOTHER METHODICALLY TO BATTLE YOUR TARGETS INTO THE SAD SUBMISSION OF SILENCE BY PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE, BULLYING, INTIMIDATION, HOW DO YOU FIRE YOUR OWN FOR LESS THAN WHAT THEY PARTAKE IN THE OPEN QUIT PRO QUO QUOTE ON THIS HANDOUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE.
IT'S A EMAIL TO AND FROM MS. MCCLARY IN 2020.
THESE WERE CDS, PHYSICAL CDS, AND MS. MCCLARY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT, THAT'S WHY SHE LEFT.
SHE KNOW THAT SHE HEARD A COVERUP WITHIN A COVERUP.
THIS CD WAS FIRST IN THE POSSESSION OF MS. MCCLARY.
TAYLOR WOODS WAS TOLD TO GO LOOK IN THE DRAWER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT CAME UP, YOU KNOW, FROM NOWHERE.
THIS SAME CD WAS THEN FILED IN THE COURT OF LAW IN DC 2 1 0 6 2 9 9.
DOLORES PHILLIPS VERSUS CITY OF DALLAS AT ALL TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF WORKERS' COMPENSATION AND TWO SEALED ENVELOPES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS.
F B I RECORDS, AUDIO VIDEO BODY CAM DASH CAM 9 1 1 CALLS CAME UP MISSING, BUT I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR BLOWS CHAIR.
REMEMBER WHEN Y'ALL DIDN'T LET ME SPEAK, YOU AND MS. MCCLARY, THAT WAS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE OPERATING UNDER COLOR OF LAW.
I'M GONNA BE KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR.
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT OF NORTHERN TEXAS, DALLAS DIVISION IN THE FEDERAL BUILDING, REDUPLICATED, HALF OF THE CDS THAT CAME UP MISSING IN A HUNDRED AND FIRST COURT WHERE Y'ALL BATTLED STACEY WILLIAMS VERSUS CITY OF DALLAS AS A BLACK JUDGE.
SHE WANTED TO DISPOSE ALL OF THE BLACK CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW Y'ALL OPERATE.
WHOEVER YOUR TARGET IS FOR SPEAKING OF INJUSTICE, BE THEY BLACK, BLUE, WHITE, BROWN, AND GREEN.
CITY OF DALLAS USED THEIR OWN PEOPLE TO SILENCE THEM.
YOU DID IT TO ROBERT GROTON FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU BATTLED THE DALLAS POLICE AND FIRE PENSION SYSTEM FROM 1995 TO 2018.
AT THE SAME TIME YOU WAS BATTLING MR. GROTON.
PERSONAL INJURY, 2006, 2010 IN THE FEDERAL COURT, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS VIOLATION.
AND THEN IN 2014, HE PREVAILED AGAIN, CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION WITH HONORABLES JUDGE STACEY WILLIAMS, WHO IS THE JUDGE THAT WAS ONCE THE CITY OF DALLAS JUDGE ACCUSED Y'ALL
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THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF HARASSMENT RETALIATION AND WRONG FOR TERMINATION.I NEED TO, TO BE READY TO TESTIFY IN THE COURT OF LAW AS TO WHY YOU AND PHILLIPS MS. MCCLARY DID NOT ALLOW ME TO SPEAK FOR IN FOR NO REASON.
LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T HAVE ANY POWER OVER THE, UH, PENSION.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
OKAY? I, I ONLY HAVE ONE NAME LISTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE? YES, SIR.
WHO, WHO, WHO IS IT? I I DON'T HAVE A NAME.
YOUR NAME AND YOUR, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT, MR. MARTIN.
LEMME JUST PULL YOU ONE SECOND.
UH, DID YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON? OH, OKAY.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YEAH, YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
YOU, YOU GOT, YOU GOT THREE MINUTES? OKAY, WELL, ALRIGHT.
WHO? MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S MICROPHONE IS OFF, PLEASE.
MR. MARTIN, UNFORTUNATELY, I APOLOGIZE.
YOU, YOU WEREN'T GIVEN CORRECT INFORMATION.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE VIDEO IN ORDER FOR YOU TO, UM, BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN THIS MEETING.
WELL, UH, YOUR WEBEX INVITATION SAID I COULD JOIN BY PAUL LEY.
I, I I I THINK THE STAFF MAY HAVE BEEN CONFUSED ON THIS, ON YOU.
NOW YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO SPEAK IN ITEM TWO A.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YOUR, TO YOUR PART YET.
WELL, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT ASKED ME TO SPEAK.
NO, I, I, I MEAN YOU, MR. MR. WILLIAMS DID, AND I APOLOGIZE, MR. CALLED? YEAH, MR. WILLIAMS GAVE YOU INCORRECT INFORMATION, SIR.
MR. WILLIAMS, GET INFORMATION HE NEEDS TO SHOW HIMSELF ON THE VIDEO.
MR. WILLIAMS, HE'S LISTED ON THE ITEM TWO A.
WE GOT A MINUTE BEFORE WE GET TO ITEM TO, BEFORE WE GET TO ITEM TWO A.
HEY, WELL AM AM I NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK BECAUSE I'M, I'LL SWITCH AROUND WITH MY COMPUTER ON ONE DAY.
IF SO, I'LL JUST MAKE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT AND CALL IN ANOTHER TIME.
THANK, THANK YOU MR. MR. MR. MARTIN.
SO I'M NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK YOU.
YOUR, YOUR AGENDA ITEM IS, I, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YOUR AGENDA ITEM YET, SIR.
BUT YOU TOLD ME MR MOMENT AGO THAT I CAN'T SPEAK WITHOUT A CAMERA ON WEBEX AND I DON'T HAVE ONE.
I, SO IF, IF I'M, IF I'M NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK, I'LL CALL, I'LL GET ANOTHER APPOINTMENT WHEN I'M ABLE TO GET ON MY, UH, LAPTOP AND GET ON WEB AND BRING A CAMERA UP.
UNFORTUNATELY, SIR, THAT, THAT'S STATE LAW.
I, I, THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
YES, YOU COULD SPEAK, BUT STATE LAW, UH, PROHIBITS YOU TO SPEAK UNLESS YOU DO HAVE, UH, UNLESS YOU ARE A PART OF THE VIDEO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL GIVE MR. WILLIAM MARTIN A CALL.
I'M SORRY, MR. WILLIAMS. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE WORD YOU'RE SAYING.
SAID HE'LL CALL, I'LL GIVE MR. MARTIN A PHONE CALL, OKAY?
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OKAY.THAT ENDS, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.
DISTRICT FOUR, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, PRESENT.
YOU'RE ON MUTE, MR. RES? UH, DISTRICT SEVEN.
UH, COUNCILMAN ADAM, AMBASSADOR.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 PRESENT.
DID YOU NOT HEAR ME? NO, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
OKAY, WE OFFICIALLY HAVE A QUORUM.
LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, THE MINUTES.
I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, AND THEN I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
DAVID KITNER DISTRICT, UM, 13.
UH, I'M I SECOND THAT I, I JUST NOTE A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE WHERE IT HOLD UP.
WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ERRORS, RIGHT? WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET, YEAH, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO IT.
HOWEVER, DO YOU WANNA DO IT? I, I SECOND THE MOTION THEN.
IS IT PROPERLY MOVED TO SECOND? IT NOW? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY UN READINESS ABOUT THE MINUTES? MY COMMENT IS THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REFERENCES HERE TO THE CHAIRMAN MAKING MOTIONS WHEN THE CHAIRMAN WAS ILL AND NOT PRESENT AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN WAS MAKING WAS IN CHARGE.
TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
WELL, ACTUALLY, HE'S THE CHAIRMAN.
THE, IN, IN LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
LAST MONTH'S MEETING, ACTUALLY MR. VICE CHAIR WAS, WAS SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN.
SO I MADE THE MOTIONS AS NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, OH, THE WORD OF WELL, I AM THE CHAIRMAN SAYS THE CHAIRMAN ASKED FOR A MOTION.
IT, IT, IT, IT, IT DOES NEED TO BE.
AND THE CHAIRMAN ASKED FOR A MOTION THAT'S ON ITEMS TWO, CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
CAN I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS? YES, YOU CAN.
THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO WHEN I SAY THE CHAIRMAN I'M REFERRING TO WHO WAS CHAIRING THE MEETING, NOT THE PHYSICAL CHAIRMAN.
SO LAST MONTH, UM, MR. BURGESS, THE VICE CHAIR ACTUALLY CHAIRED THE MEETING.
SO IN THE MINUTES, DO I NEED TO SAY THE VICE CHAIR OR IS HE CONSIDERED THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT MEETING? HE WOULD BE THE CHAIR OF THAT MEETING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERN? ALL RIGHT.
UM, WITH THAT, PUT IT TO A VOTE.
ITEM ITEM TWO, A DONNELL LANE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY O C P O, UH, DIRECTOR MCCLARY, YOU ALREADY DONE ITEM ITEM TWO'S TWO.
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YEAH, THE COMMENT BEFORE THIS MR. LANE.ALRIGHT, MR. LANE, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES AND START WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR LAST MONTH.
UM, THE CONCERNS I HAD, A LOT OF MY BATTLE BUDDIES REACH OUT TO ME.
A LOT OF MY SERVICE MEMBERS, A LOT OF FAMILY, A LOT OF FRIENDS.
UM, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
UM, IT'S EMBARRASSING, BUT, UH, UM, I HOPE IT HELPS SOMEONE.
UM, I GOT A LOT OF CALLS, EXCUSE ME.
BUT, UH, UH, I WANNA ADDRESS TO, TO MAJOR IRENE AL WHO RUNS INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
I URGE YOU TO EXPEDITE THE INVESTIGATION.
IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS SINCE I FILED MY ORIGINAL COMPLAINT.
MAJOR ANALYSIS AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS MAILED ME A LETTER THAT STATED THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION OR VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES VIOLATIONS.
BUT NOW, AS OF AUGUST 16TH, 2023, AN INVESTIGATION HAS STARTED.
I'M ASKING FOR ANSWERS, UM, THE STATUS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
I ALSO WANT TO ASK CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHAT HE PLANS TO DO ABOUT THESE OFFICERS.
THE PUBLIC IN ALL ARE CONCERN.
THE OFFICER'S ACTIONS GO AGAINST THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AGAINST THE POLICE CODE OF ETHICS AND DALLAS CITY CONDUCT STANDARDS.
THE AMERICAS WITH DISABILITY ACT WAS NOT HELD UP BY ANY OF THE OFFICERS.
MISTREATING, PEOPLE SEEKING HELP IS SIMPLY WRONG.
THE IN INDIVIDUAL AGENCY THAT WILL BE DISCIPLINING.
THESE OFFICERS ALSO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE DURING THIS INVESTIGATION MOVING FORWARD TO ENSURE THESE CURRENT OFFICERS ARE NEVER GIVEN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO OBTAIN A POLICE OFFICER CERTIFICATION, NOR ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE A TCO LICENSE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS EVER AGAIN.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND IF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND ARE NOT LOUD ENOUGH, I'M HERE TO LET THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOW THESE OFFICERS NEED TO GO.
AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT BOTH BROKE A MAJOR FEDERAL LAW AND STATE LAW THAT'S CALLED THE ALLEY'S LAW.
THE ACTION OF THESE OFFICERS SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED BY CITIZENS.
WE HAVE A VOICE AND WE WANT CHANGE.
MY JUSTICE IS THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN TO ANY OTHER CITIZEN WITH A DISABILITY.
AGAIN, I THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME.
YOU SERVE, DID YOU SERVE IN AFGHANISTAN? CORRECT.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, PERSONALLY, YOU DID NOT SIGN UP TO GO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS, PROTECT OUR RIGHTS HERE IN AMERICA AND AFGHANISTAN TO COME BACK TO AMERICA AND SUFFER THE INDIGNITY THAT YOU SUFFER ON US SOIL.
AND WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR CASE.
UM, THAT THAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
MR. WILLIAMS. WERE YOU ABLE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE WITH MR. MARTIN? UM, YES.
WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR HIM TO GIVE A CALL BACK TO CHECK BACK THEN.
HE'S TRYING TO GET A LAPTOP TO MAKE IT WORK FOR HIM.
OKAY, DIRECTOR MCCLAR, ARE YOU READY? YES.
SO, I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON MR. UM, LANE'S CASE.
SO AT THE AUGUST 8TH, 23, UM, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD REVIEWED THE COMPLAINT OF MR. LANE AND VOTED FOR, UM, THE OFFICE OF, UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE CASE.
PRIOR TO, UM, THE OFFICE, PRIOR
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TO THE BOARD VOTING FOR THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THEY HEARD FROM MR. LANE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.AND SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS ALSO PRESENTED HIS FINDINGS, PRESENTED THE FINDINGS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, UM, AND PLAYED A BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT WAS RELATED TO THE COMPLAINT.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, WHEN HE WAS REPORTING OUT, THAT WAS THE FINDINGS OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
WE HAD NOT BEEN ASSIGNED IN AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR. UH, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR. LANE, THE BOARD LEARNED THAT HE WAS A SERGEANT IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY AND THAT HE HAD BEEN DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN, KUWAIT, AND IRAQ.
AND WHILE HE WAS DEPLOYED, IS WHEN HE SUSTAINED THE LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES THAT HE EXPRESSED TO THE BOARD, UM, CAUSED HIM THE ISSUES AT SIRIUS PIZZA.
UM, DURING THAT TIME, IT WAS THE NIGHT OF JUNE 10TH.
UH, THERE WERE TWO OFF-DUTY OFFICERS WORKING AT SIRIUS PIZZA, UM, THAT DID NOT ASSIST HIM THAT EVENING.
AND IF YOU ALL REMEMBER FROM THE VIDEO FOOTAGE, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, TWO OFFICERS WERE DISPATCHED TO SIRIUS PIZZA.
UM, BY THE TIME MR. UH, THEY GOT THERE, MR. LANE HAD ALREADY LEFT THE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF AN ISSUE, UH, THAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS NOT ABLE TO GO TO, UH, THE RESTROOM.
AND DURING THE, UH, QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INFORMED THE BOARD THAT THEY HAD NOT SEEN.
THEY HAD NEVER SEEN THE VIDEO FOOTAGE THAT WAS PLAYED AT THE BOARD MEETING.
UM, SINCE THAT MEETING, UM, MR. LANE'S CASE HAS GONE, I THINK A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WOULD SAY IT'S GONE VIRAL.
AND SO I HAVE, UH, THERE ARE WEBSITES THAT ARE SHOWING THAT MR. LANE'S CASE ALMOST HAS A MILLION VIEWS ACROSS THE WORLD, UM, IN THE BOARD PACKET THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO.
ON OUR WEBSITE, I HAVE LISTED A LIST OF LOCAL STATIONS THAT HAVE COVERED ITS, UH, STATIONS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, NATIONWIDE, AS WELL AS INTERNATIONAL.
AS FAR AS LONDON HAVE PICKED UP THIS STORY.
UM, THIS STORY HAS ALSO BEEN PICKED UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, YOUTUBE, TIKTOK, AND EX FORMER TWITTER ABOUT MR. LANE'S CASE.
UM, THIS CASE HAS ACTUALLY CAUSED PUBLIC OUTRAGE, UM, AMONG MANY MEN AND WOMEN, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED IN MILITARY SERVICE.
THE OFFICE IS RECEIVING ON AVERAGE, EVEN TILL THIS DAY, LITERALLY, MR. MARTIN THAT IS HAVING THE PROBLEMS, I HOPE HE COULD GET ON, CALLED US AROUND FIVE SAYING, CAN I SPEAK AT THE BOARD MEETING TONIGHT? I REALLY WANNA SPEAK OUT, UM, ABOUT MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS CASE.
SO WE'VE BEEN GETTING LITERALLY 10 TO 15 PHONE CALLS A DAY.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE FILED FORMAL WRITTEN COMPLAINTS, UM, TO OUR OFFICE OR EITHER INTERNAL AFFAIRS ABOUT THE SITUATION WITH, UM, THAT HAS GONE ON WITH MR. LANE.
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THOSE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN LABELED NO INVESTIGATION BECAUSE ONE OF THE CATEGORIES FOR NO INVESTIGATION IS IF IT'S A THIRD PARTY COMPLAINT.
SO, BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WRITING US AND CALLING US WEREN'T THERE, DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, MOST OF THOSE COMPLAINTS ARE GOING TO BE CATEGORIZED AS NO INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THEY'RE THIRD PARTY.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE INVESTIGATION, UM, AT THE BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD VOTED FOR MY OFFICE TO ACTUALLY DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
AND MR. WILLIAMS WAS PREPARING TO START THAT PROCESS.
HE WAS LINING UP INTERVIEWS, UM, ET CETERA.
AND THEN ON AUGUST THE 16TH, I RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM MAJOR IRENE ALANISE, WHO IS THE COMMANDING OFFICER ON OVER INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UH, AND IT'S IN THE WORDING, BE ADVISED, I HAVE OPENED AN INVESTIGATION ON MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT.
AND SO I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE BOARD THE STATUS OF OUR INVESTIGATION BASED ON THAT.
SO IF I'M INCORRECT IN MY INTERPRETATION, THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED OUR OFFICE SAYS THAT THE AUTHORITY OF THIS OFFICE TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IS ONCE AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN CONCLUDED.
AND I WANNA SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY PHONE CALLS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY CURSING US OUT, UM, YELLING IN THE PHONE, FIRST OF ALL, 'CAUSE THEY THINK WE'RE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THEY WANNA KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT DOING AN INVESTIGATION.
SO I WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW AND THE PUBLIC THAT'S WATCHING TONIGHT OR MAY WATCH THIS, THAT IT IS NOT BY THE WILL OF THIS BOARD OR THE OFFICE, THAT WE ARE NOT CONDUCTING THIS INVESTIGATION BECAUSE INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS NOW FORMALLY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO DO ONE.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND LIKE I SAID, OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE, THAT WE HAVE TO HALT THE INVESTIGATION THAT HAS BEEN, UM, ASKED BY THIS BOARD UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS CONCLUDED.
SO AS OF THIS MOMENT, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS NOT DOING THE INVESTIGATION.
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ARE WAITING FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO CONCLUDE THEIRS.AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, MR. LANE WILL RECEIVE, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THAT FORMAL INVESTIGATION.
AND AT THAT TIME, IF HE IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION, HE WILL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND SAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE NOW DONE AN INVESTIGATION, I'M STILL NOT HAPPY WITH IT.
AND ASK YOU ALL AT THAT TIME TO REVIEW THE INVESTIGATION OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND DETERMINE AT THAT TIME IF YOU STILL WOULD LIKE THE OFFICE TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO, UH, MR. BURGESS, AM I CORRECT ON THAT ANALYSIS? YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
SO I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT THE BOARD TO KNOW.
IT'S JUST THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND ALSO, MR. LANE, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT, UM, CONDUCTING, AND I PUT IN HERE THE CODE SECTION, IT'S DALLAS CITY CODE 37.32, THAT STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BOARD IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO FINDINGS MEANS THERE HAS TO BE SOME FINDINGS, RIGHT? SO THERE AREN'T ANY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, UM, THE INVESTIGATION.
AND SO WE ARE ACTIVELY MONITORING THAT INVESTIGATION.
WE'RE GOING TO ALL OF THE INTERVIEWS OF THE OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY MONITORING THIS INVESTIGATION, UM, SO THAT IN THE EVENT THAT MR. LANE IS NOT HAPPY, WE AND THIS BOARD SAYS, GO FORWARD AND DO AN INVESTIGATION.
WE ARE READY TO JUMP IN, UM, ET CETERA.
SO WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED, UH, IN MONITORING THE INVESTIGATION AT THIS TIME.
AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.
SO I, I DO HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS STORY HAS GONE NATIONAL.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTRAGED, BUT JUST IMAGINE THE OUTRAGE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IF THIS INVESTIGATION IS NOT DONE CORRECTLY.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, SINCE THE BOARD HAS ALREADY VOTED ON THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME D P D SAID NO INVESTIGATION, AND NOW D P D IS GOING TO INVESTIGATE, DOES MR. LANE HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN BEFORE US FOR US TO VOTE FOR ANOTHER INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? WE'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR ONE.
MEANING CAN THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION PROCEED AFTER DPDS INVESTIGATION? IT CAN.
SO, UH, I THINK THE SECTION MS. MCCLARY IS REFERRING TO IS SECTION 37, 32 0.3, SUBSECTION C.
SO THIS SAYS BOARD REVIEW OR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF ANY INCIDENT COMPLAINT OR REQUEST FOR REVIEW, WHETHER RECEIVED BY THE BOARD OR DIRECTOR SHALL BE POSTPONED PENDING ONE COMPLETION OF ALL FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
SO YEAH, ONCE, ONCE THEY COMPLETE THEIR INVESTIGATION, THE BOARD CAN, CAN TAKE THAT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BACK UP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, SO, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. LANE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US AND TELL HIS STORY AGAIN AND ASK FOR US TO DO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR IT.
ONCE I, A'S INVESTIGATION IS OVER, DIRECTOR MCLAREN CAN PROCEED WITH THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR IT.
CORRECT? THAT'S THE WAY I'M READING.
SOUNDS LIKE, IS THIS JUST POSTPONED? UM, WHILE, WHILE IT'S PENDING, IT IA OKAY.
DIRECTLY YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING.
SO THE ONLY REASON I, SO I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT.
SO THE ONLY REASON I WAS ASKING IT, THE WAY I WAS ASKING IS THAT IF, FOR, IF EVERYBODY IS SATISFIED WITH THAT INVESTIGATION, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO YIELD, THEN DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE OFFICE TO DO ANOTHER INVESTIGATION? THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION.
SO MAYBE MR. LANE DOESN'T HAVE, IS THAT SOMETHING CHAIR THAT I WOULD THEN BRING BACK TO YOU TO SEE IF YOU ALL ARE SATISFIED WITH IT? OR DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IF EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME OF WHAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DETERMINES, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE OFFICE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION ANYWAY? SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS MY TAKE ON IT.
I AIN'T COMPLETES THEIR INVESTIGATION.
MR. LANE GETS THE RESULTS OF IT.
IF MR. LANE IS SATISFIED, THEN YOU BRING IT BACK TO US AND OKAY.
AND WE CAN UM, CAN, CAN, CAN BRING THE ITEM BACK UP AGAIN.
IF MR. LANE IS NOT SATISFIED, YOU GO AHEAD WITH THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
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I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS REGARDLESS, IS HOW THIS WENT THROUGH I A D ONCE AND THEY DECIDED THIS WAS NO INVESTIGATION AND THEN FOUND OUT LATER THAT THEY HAD NEVER EVEN SEEN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AND MADE A DETERMINATION OF NO INVESTIGATION WITHOUT ACTUALLY EVEN VIEWING THE BODY-WORN CAMERA VI, YOU KNOW, CAMERA VIDEO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE.SO THAT TO ME IS A, A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES I A D COME UP WITH A NO INVESTIGATION WITHOUT EVER HAVING BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE? SO I, I THINK REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE.
THERE MIGHT BE G YEAH, I AGREE AS WELL.
UH, 'CAUSE THERE, UM, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE AN INVESTIGATION ABOUT HOW THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE CARRIED OUT IN SOME SENSES.
UH, HOW ARE THEY, UH, GATHERING DATA IF WE ARE SATISFIED WITH THE FINDINGS AT THIS TIME? IT'S VERY CONCERNING THAT, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT WITH ONLY THREE EMPLOYEES WAS ABLE HOW MANY, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? RIGHT.
SOMEHOW YOU UNCOVERED THE VIDEO THAT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES I A D HAVE? OH, I GUESS THEY CAN, THEY CAN TELL US HOW MANY, BUT HOW IS IT THAT THEY MISSED IT? THAT'S CONCERNING.
AND IS, HAS THIS HAPPENED? WILL THIS HAPPEN AGAIN? I I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
MCCLARY, SINCE YOU'RE MONITORING THIS CASE, IS, IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED IN JUNE AND FROM WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY WAS THAT WHEN HE FILED THE COMPLAINT THE FIRST TIME, HE GOT A LETTER THE NEXT DAY SAYING NO INVESTIGATION, OR THREE DAYS, THREE DAYS LATER, UH, HE GOT A LETTER SAYING THAT THERE WAS NO POLICY VIOLATION.
THE, THE SECOND TIME HE, HE FILED IT AGAIN.
WELL, WE HAD THE MEETING ON AUGUST 16TH.
WELL, ON AUGUST 16TH YOU GOT THE EMAIL FROM I A D SAYING THAT THEY'VE OPENED INVESTIGATION, IT'S COMING ON ONE MONTH.
AND, UH, JUST CUR CURIOUS, UH, DO YOU KNOW THE STATUS OF THIS INVESTIGATION AS FAR AS WHEN IT WILL BE COMPLETE? SO I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER, UM, TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE STILL INTERVIEWING THE OFFICERS.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE ARE ATTENDING THE INTERVIEW, SO I KNOW THAT THEY STILL HAVE SOME OTHER OFFICERS TO INTERVIEW.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND ALSO, JUST WHILE WE'RE ON THAT NOTE, UM, AT THE BOARD MEETING LAST MONTH, THE BOARD ASKED IF THE STAFF FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS COULD START COMING TO THE MEETINGS IN PERSON.
I MADE THAT REQUEST OF CHIEF GARCIA AND I JUST WANNA LET THE BOARD KNOW HIS RESPONSES THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE HIS STAFF TO COME TO THE MEETINGS IN PERSON AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON, UM, VIDEO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET THE PEOPLE, I WANTED, YOU ALL KNOW THAT I ASKED, I ACTUALLY PUT IT IN WRITING.
I ASKED THEM AGAIN YESTERDAY AND I GOT THE RESPONSE BACK TODAY THAT HE IS NOT GONNA REQUIRE HIS STAFF TO COME IN PERSON AT THIS TIME.
BUT I THINK MAJOR ALANISE IS ON THE LINE.
SO SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, BOARD MEMBER KI UM, I'M SORRY, BOARD MEMBER DAVIDSON GIVE YOU THE MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION.
MS. MS. MCCLARY JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR THAT.
UM, I WOULD ASK THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS RECONSIDER THEIR DECISION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, BEING HERE IN PERSON IS NOT HELPFUL TO THEM.
IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO PROPERLY ASSESS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT DOING A SERVICE TO EITHER THEMSELVES OR THE POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THEY DON'T SHOW UP IN PERSON.
MS. MS. SEINFIELD HAS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER KENTNER SAID, BUT SECONDLY, DID THE POLICE CHIEF GIVE A RATIONALE FOR WHY HE WASN'T GONNA ASK I INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOLKS TO COME IN PERSON? IT WAS JUST A NO.
I CAN PULL UP THE EMAIL AND JUST READ IT VERBATIM, BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH, NO, I'M NOT GONNA REQUIRE MY, UM, STAFF TO ATTEND AT THIS TIME.
I THINK WHAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME IS THAT WHEN I SENT THE EMAIL, AND I CAN SHARE IT WITH THE BOARD AFTERWARDS, I SENT IT IN THE SPIRIT THAT BOARD MEMBER KITNER ASKED THAT IF THEY, THAT YOU ALL THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THAT IT WOULD FURTHER RELATIONSHIP, ET CETERA.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE SPIRIT THAT YOU WERE ASKING.
UM, I THINK A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME IS THAT MANY TIMES WHEN THEY ARE JOINING US, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THEIR OFFICES IN HEADQUARTERS, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
SO I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR, BUT NO, THERE WAS, HE JUST, IT JUST SAID HE WAS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE HIS STAFF TO ATTEND AT THIS TIME.
UM, DISTRICT DERRICK PEGRAM, THAT PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, YOU SAID, WHAT WAS THE SITUATION? I THINK THE SITUATION IS THAT THERE IS A LACK OF CONCERN FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IF THIS, IF WE ARE THE, I'D SAY THE EYES OF THE COMMUNITY AND HE'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
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WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BRIDGE THAT SITUATION, WHY WOULDN'T SOMEONE AT LEAST SHOW UP? BUT THAT LACK OF CONCERN SHOWS THAT THERE'S A LACK OF CONCERN ALL THE WAY AROUND.AND IT'S, I SAY DEPLORABLE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, UN UNLESS BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO FOR YOU TO READ THE EMAIL, I, I THINK WE'RE FINE.
UM, AS A UNITED STATES MARINE WHO HAS FRIENDS WHO HAVE SUFFERED MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY FROM GOING TO OTHER PLACES AND FIGHTING FOR THE FREEDOMS OF THIS COUNTRY, I TOO WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU.
UM, AS IT RELATES TO IA, IT'S DISTURBING TO ME THAT THEY MADE A DECISION WITHOUT SEEING THE VIDEO.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE IT, IT BEGS TO WONDER HOW MANY OTHER THINGS ARE FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS.
AND THEN TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYBODY THERE IN ATTENDANCE.
WHY? IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT A DECISION THAT YOU MAKE, YOU SHOULD BE STRONG ENOUGH OR CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO COME TO ANYBODY AND SAY, WE MADE THIS DECISION BECAUSE OF THIS, NOT ON THAT SCREEN.
SO THAT PART DISTURBS ME AS WELL.
AND MY, AND MY LAST POINT IS, DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF INFLUENCE ON, OR CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO IA TO SPEED UP THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE HIS SUFFERING HAS REALLY GONE ON LONG ENOUGH.
I, I GUESS COULD WE ASK MAJOR ALANISE, UH, SOME, SOME QUESTIONS IF SHE'S, UH, ABLE TO GET ON THE SCREEN? MR. CHAIR? OKAY.
MAJOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
WE ARE JUST ASKING, UH, IF YOU GIVE US A STATUS UPDATE ON THE INVESTIGATION, UM, WITH MR. LANE AND, UM, WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW AND WHEN YOU ANTICIPATE THE FINDINGS FROM I A D TO BE PRESENTED.
ONE, BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION, I AM LIMITED WITH PROVIDING ANY DETAILS.
SECONDLY, THE DETECTIVE HAS A CASELOAD THAT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED SO THAT HE CAN SOLELY FOCUS ON MR. LANE'S CASE.
WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THAT? I HEAR ECHO.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? MY, MY MICROPHONE WAS ON, I THINK IT WAS DISTORTING THE SOUND.
SO I DO NOT HAVE AN ANTICIPATED DATE OF WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONCLUDED, BUT THE DETECTIVE THAT IS ASSIGNED IS A SERGEANT IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
HE CURRENTLY HAS A CASELOAD THAT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED, WHICH MEANS HE'S ONLY WORKING ON THE MR. LANE'S CASE AT THIS TIME.
AS FAR AS ANY DETAILS REGARDING THE CASE AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, I WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION.
AND, UH, IS THERE A, UH, A BALLPARK OF, OF WHEN WE CAN ANTICIPATE, IS THIS GOING TO A RESULT WITHIN A MONTH, WITHIN A WEEK, UH, THREE MONTHS? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE WHEN THIS, THE CONCLUSIONS WILL BE FOUND AND, AND PRESENTED? LESS THAN A MONTH IS WHAT I, THAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT I HAVE OF MY DETECTIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO LESS THAN A MONTH, WHICH, UH, WOULD GIVE US TIME BEFORE OUR, UH, NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER, HOPEFULLY TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DISCUSS THE FINDINGS.
UM, AND I GUESS ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UH, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AS A BOARD, BUT, UM, WHILE YOU ARE ON THE LINE, WE WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY INVITE YOUR TEAM TO PARTICIPATE LIVE IN THESE MEETINGS ONCE A ONCE A MONTH.
UH, WE KNOW YOUR OFFICE IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
UM, BUT WE FEEL LIKE AS A BOARD, IT WOULD BUILD CAMARADERIE.
IT WOULD BUILD TRANSPARENCY, UH, FOR A MEMBER OF THE I 80 18 TO BE PRESENT WITH US.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FROM THE POLICE CHIEF AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT CAN'T BE, HE WILL NOT REQUIRE IT.
BUT WE ASK THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, THAT, UH, YOU CONSIDER THIS, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS BOARD, FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE SAKE OF COMRADERY
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AND COLLABORATION.'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY HARD TO COMMUNICATE WITH A BOX ON TV SCREEN.
UH, AND, UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO FORMALLY INVITE YOUR TEAM TO COME TO THE MEETING FROM THIS, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD SO THAT WE COULD, IF WE HAVE A QUESTION, THERE'S SOMEONE JUST HERE THAT WE COULD ASK.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR THE BOARD THAT WE WOULD LOVE, UH, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
AND WE STRONGLY, UH, WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK WE BELIEVE IT WOULD REALLY HELP, UH, WITH THE COLLABORATION.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THE BOARD MEMBER CAN'T OFFICIALLY MAKE AN OFFER FOR THE BOARD.
THE BOARD HAS TO, I APOLOGIZE,
BUT YEAH, THIS ISN'T SPEAKING.
THIS IS JUST ME SPEAKING NOT FOR THE BOARD.
HOW, HOWEVER, IN, IN, IN LIGHT OF THAT, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO AHEAD, MR. MARSHALL? UH, MAJOR ALLIS, JUST GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT, UM, HOW IS IT YOU GUYS ARRIVED INITIALLY AT A NO INVESTIGATION WITHOUT EVER HAVING WATCHED THE BODY CAMERA VIDEO.
I IMAGINE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY CURIOUS HOW YOU GUYS REACHED THAT DECISION WITHOUT ACTUALLY VIEWING THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE.
AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN INVESTIGATION THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION, THERE WILL BE SOME DOCUMENTATION REGARDING THAT.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING INTERNALLY THAT I HAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT WITH MY TEAM.
UH, AND AGAIN, ONCE, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY REGARDING THIS CASE, ALL THAT WILL BE IN THERE.
WE'LL, I'LL BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT WITH ALL OF THAT.
DOES ANY ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, UH, IS THAT MR. REEVES, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? Y YES, SIR.
I WANNA, FIRST, I JUST WANT THANK, UH, IA FOR, UH, REOPENING, UH, THIS INVESTIGATION AND, AND, AND TAKING IT ON, TAKING A, A REALLY GOOD LOOK AT IT.
UM, UH, SECOND, I WANTED TO, UM, ALSO, UM, UH, I WANTED TO JOIN, UH, MR. MARSHALL AND STATING HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE RE-LOOK AT HOW WE, UM, HOW WE REVIEW THESE CASES.
UM, ESPECIALLY AFTER, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE, DURING THESE BOARD MEETINGS, WHEN, WHEN, UH, D P D TELLS US THAT, UH, AN INVESTIGATION, UH, WAS NOT WARRANTED OR AN INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE WITH NO FINDING, AND WE THEREFORE, UH, BY THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DO-OVER CLAUSE OR A A WHERE D P D CAN GO WELL, ON SECOND THOUGHT, I THINK WE WILL DO INVESTIGATION, EVEN THOUGH I APPRECIATE THEM DOING IT, BECAUSE I DO WANT MR. LANE TO BE MADE WHOLE, UM, AND TO, UM, ON, ON, ON THIS DEAL.
SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM IS JUST ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.
UM, SO I, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, AT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WORKING WITH, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON, UM, ON FIXING THAT.
PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT I THINK ONCE THEY SAY THEY'RE GOOD, THEN, THEN IT, IT LEAVES IT OPEN TO US, AND THEN IT, THEN IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY, UH, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
AND IT'S NOT GIVING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS IT LIKE WE WOULD LIKE TO FOR, FOR ON MR. LANE'S BEHALF.
SO, UM, UM, I, I THINK WE CAN, I, I THINK WE CAN, UH, WORK TOGETHER ON, UH, FINDING A SOLUTION FOR THAT.
UM, I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME THAT I THINK THE THING, THE ROOT CAUSE HERE THAT CONCERNED ME WAS WHEN, UH, MR. LANE SAID THAT IT WAS, UH, PART OF A NATIONAL LAW AND IT HAD BEEN ADOPTED IN TEXAS.
WE FOUND OUT FROM A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH.
BUT, UH, MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES THE DEPARTMENT, WHAT POLICY IS THERE WHEN OFFICERS ARE TOLD BY THE PUBLIC THAT, WELL, THIS IS A LAW THAT SAYS X OR Y SHOULD HAPPEN AND THE OFFICER DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE THAT THAT OFFICER TAKES TIME TO DO BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, IGNORE IT? SO THAT, THAT'S A ROOT CAUSE
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SITUATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER.AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I E D CAN DO IT OR WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CHIEF OR HOW, HOW WE GET ANSWERS TO THAT.
BUT THAT'S A BIG, A BIG ROOT CAUSE FOR ME.
CAN, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR IS THAT, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? IT, IT'S A GENERAL QUESTION, NOT ONE SPECIFIC TO THIS INVESTIGATION.
SO IN REGARDS TO I HEAR THE ECHO.
UM, SO YES, IN REGARDS TO ANY POLICY ON HOW IT WILL BE ADDRESSED, THAT IS A BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO INFORM YOU ALL ON BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS INVOLVED WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, PLACING ANY POLICY OR ANY NEW POLICY, OR RECOMMENDING ANY NEW POLICY WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WILL COME UP REGARDING THIS INVESTIGATION.
UH, AGAIN, WITHOUT GIVING ANY SPECIFICS, I'M MAKING SURE THAT WE DO SPEAK TO DIFFERENT AVENUES OR DIFFERENT, UM, AUTHORITIES SUCH AS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO THAT, AGAIN, IF THERE IS SOME CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, THAT WE CAN AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT.
SO, CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK, UM, YOU AND THE DIRECTOR SHOULD BRING THIS UP AT YOUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE CHIEF.
HOW WOULD HE LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH GIVING US AN ANSWER, A DEPARTMENTAL ANSWER, AND IF HE NEEDS TO CHECK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, SO BE IT.
BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS AT THE TOP LEVEL WHEN THE PUBLIC SAYS, WELL, THERE IS A LAW AND THE OFFICERS UNAWARE OF IT.
DIRECTOR, CAN YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT? OKAY.
TO HAVE THE BUS TALK WITH HIM ABOUT THAT? YEAH, JUST THIS, YEAH.
UH, ANY, ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL PROBABLY NEED YOU FOR, UM, A FEW MORE, UH, ITEMS BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO OUR, OUR, UH, BRIEFING ITEMS. SO JUST HANG TIGHT FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE LONG.
AND, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, MR. LANE, I, I, I, I APOLOGIZE.
YOU SERVED AND I BEGAN TO STAY IN KUWAIT AND IRAQ.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE.
HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS FROM COLLEGE THAT, THAT SERVED IN, UH, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, AND KUWAIT AS WELL.
A FEW THAT DID MULTIPLE TOURS.
ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO HERE.
UH, SORRY, THIS IS ALL THE DISTRICT ONE.
I JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UM, SO I GUESS THIS QUESTION GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDRESSED, UM, DURING OUR RETREAT.
UM, AND IT REALLY GOES TO SOME OF THE POLICY CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AND THE POLICY COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING AT AND REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UM, THE STRENGTH OF THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, UM, AVENUES WE HAVE TO PURSUE.
AND I THINK THIS CASE DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE, UH, POWER OF THE OVERSIGHT BOARD WHEN WE HAVE A FINDING OR, OR NO FINDING OF AN ISSUE.
AND THEN OUR BOARD COMES AND HAS AN INVESTIGATION OR BOTH FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
AND THEN TYPICALLY ALL WE CAN DO IS THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UH, THE CHIEF OR SOME CHANGE.
SO BASICALLY, IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED IN THIS CASE WITH IA REOPENING, WE WOULD'VE VOTED FOR, UH, INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS TO, UH, INVESTIGATE.
AND WE PROBABLY, BASED ON JUST THE SENTIMENT THAT I'M HEARING AROUND THE ROOM, WOULD'VE HAD, UM, OUR OWN INTERNAL FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, THE CHIEF AND THEN THE CHIEF COULD HAVE MADE, UM, HIS DETERMINATION.
THAT TO ME IS STILL WHERE WE ARE, UM, LACKING THE STRENGTH TO REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.
AND SO I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH CHIEF GARCIA TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND HAVE THIS CASE BE, UH, UH, AN EXAMPLE
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OF WHY THERE SHOULD BE MORE, UM, MORE, UH, STRENGTH GIVEN TO THE BOARD AND WHAT WE CAN RECOMMEND AS FAR AS OUTCOMES AND ACTIONS, UH, TO AND FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.UH, MR. SMITH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, HAD THIS BOARD NOT EXISTED, MR. LANE WOULD STILL BE SUFFERING IN SILENCE.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT.
WE MAY NOT GET TO DO THAT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION AS, AS WE WANTED TO, BUT WE'VE DRAWN ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE AND I, I, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO END IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, A SHOESTRING INVESTIGATION WITH, UH, SORRY, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY, ANY INFRACTIONS.
I, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS INVESTIGATION IS GOING TO END UP.
AND WE STILL COULD DO THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, SO DON'T, DON'T DISCOUNT THAT, BUT IA HAS TO DO THEIRS FIRST.
AND YOU'RE BRINGING, BRINGING UP THE SAME FRUSTRATION THAT THAT VICE CHAIR RES BROUGHT UP AS WELL.
BUT YET, MR. SMITH, YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS STILL A, A VALID, A VALID SEPARATE CONCERN.
SORRY, I'LL WAIT FOR YOUR PAUSE.
NO, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT AND DEFINITELY CAN WAIT FOR THE, THE, THE PROCESS FOR MR. LANES CASE.
I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A, A BIGGER QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY MAKE SURE STAYS AT THE FRONT OF OUR DISCUSSION, UM, AS A BOARD.
SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I, I AGREE AND I'M GLAD THAT OUR BOARD DID EXIST OR, UH, MR. LANE TO HAVE THIS CHANNEL, UH, TO PRESENT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A AFFECTS ANY AND ALL CASES, NOT JUST MR. LS IN MY OPINION.
AND MRS. SMITH, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
I I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
I JUST WANT YOU TO, TO KNOW THAT.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM TWO B.
OKAY, WITH THAT WE MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM TWO B, KIMBERLY AND SIUS TIUS JEFFERSON REVIEW AND DECISION REGARDING INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF O C P O, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. UM, THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, BEFORE THAT, OKAY, YEAH.
ITEM TWO A, KIMBERLY JEFFERSON AND KIMBERLY JEFFERSON.
I'M CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MR. WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
MS. JEFFERSON IS GOING TO SPEAK.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MISPRONOUNCING YOUR SON LIKE ME.
YOU HAVE TO USE THE, YOU'RE GONNA SIT MS. JEFFERSON, YOU HAVE TO USE, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS ON SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, AGAIN, I'M KIM JEFFERSON AND I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TODAY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE JOB OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR MISSION IS TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
HOWEVER, THEY DIDN'T PROTECT AND SERVE ME.
ON FEBRUARY THE SEVENTH WHEN WE RENTED A SPOT FROM T N S TRUCKING IN DALLAS, TEXAS, WHERE WE PARKED OUR SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER SEMI IN OUR TRACTOR TRAILER AND ALSO HAD ONE OF OUR MOVING TRUCKS MOVED OVER THERE FOR REPAIR, THE GENTLEMAN HAD BEEN USING OUR ITEMS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE DECIDED TO GO BUY AND TAKE A LOOK TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND FOUND OUT OUR TRAILER WAS MISSING AND OUR TRACTOR WAS HOOKED UP TO ANOTHER TRAILER THAT DID NOT BELONG TO US.
MY SON ON HIS WAY TO WORK, DECIDED TO DRIVE ME BY THERE SO WE COULD GRAB PICTURES OF THAT.
AFTER HE TOOK THE KEY FROM THE GENTLEMAN, TOBY HAWKINS, WHO IS A KNOWN FELON, WHICH I DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL RECENTLY AFTER RESEARCHING, UM, BASICALLY WAS UP ON MY SON AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA PUSH HIM INTO
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COVERT.AND I DIALED 9 1 1 BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID BECAUSE MY SON IS A POLICE OFFICER AND HE'S NOT TRYING TO GET IN ANY TROUBLE.
AFTER TAKING THE KEY, THEY CHASED US THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
THE OTHER SECURITY GUY HAD SEEN THE GUN ON HIM.
PRIOR, AFTER WE TOOK THE KEYS, WE WERE BASICALLY RUNNING OUTTA THERE FOR OUR LIVES.
YOU CAN HEAR ME SCREAMING ON 9 1 1 SAYING THE SAME THING MY SON TRYING TO DRIVE OUT AND EXIT.
AND THEY TRIED TO HIT US WITH A TRACTOR TRAILER.
WHEN WE GOT TO THE STATION WHERE THEY HAD US TO MEET THEM, ONE OF THE HEAD SERGEANTS TOLD US THAT IT WAS A CIVIL MATTER AND THAT I NEEDED TO SEE A CIVIL ATTORNEY AFTER MY ITEMS ARE MISSING FROM SOMEWHERE.
SO I TOLD HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS CAMERA'S ON BECAUSE I DO WANT ALL THEIR CAMERA FOOTAGE.
AND I TOLD HIM I WOULD GO SEEK THE PART THAT WAS CIVIL.
AFTER SEEKING THE PART THAT WAS CIVIL, THEY NOTIFIED THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE WANTED TO GET OUR TRUCKS AND OUR THINGS BACK.
UH, HE TOLD OUR ATTORNEY THAT THAT WAS HANDLING THE CIVIL PIECE, UM, THAT WE COULD COME AND PICK UP OUR ITEMS AFTER TELLING US WE CAN PICK HIM UP.
WE GOT TO THE LOT AND WENT TO THE SAME SERGEANT THAT SAID WE COULD ASK FOR A CIVIL STANDBY SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE AGAIN.
AFTER THEY CAME TO THE LOT, THE POLICE OFFICERS CAME IN WITH A BAD ATTITUDE, WAS ALREADY UPSET, SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I AIN'T GOT ALL DAY.
EVEN THOUGH WE WERE WAITING FOR A TOW TRUCK AND WE WERE WAITING FOR ALL THAT MR. UM, WHEN, WHEN THEY GOT THERE, I GAVE THEM ALL MY INFORMATION, EVERY TITLE TO EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I HAD MY ID, EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED TO SHOW.
WE EVEN HAD A CONTRACT WITH THAT PROPERTY, SO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DOING A CIVIL STANDBY.
IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, MR. TOBY, THE KNOWN FELON, CAME AND, AND WAS WALKING ALL AROUND THE AREA WHERE WE WAS AT.
AND SHE, THEY NEVER KEPT HIM AWAY FROM US AND TOLD THEM TO ARREST ME FOR CRIMINALLY TRESPASSING.
I AM 55 YEARS OLD AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED IN MY LIFE.
I'M A REALTOR AND I, I DO REAL ESTATE.
I'VE DONE THAT FOR 25 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN A DALLAS PAINT, YOU KNOW, A TAXPAYER FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
THEY ARRESTED ME UP ON HIM TELLING THEM TO ARREST ME, AND THEN THEY PUT ME IN THE CAR AND HE WAS ABLE, WHILE THEY WERE OVER THERE TRYING TO DEBATE WHAT WAS GOING ON, THE TWO OFFICERS AND THE SERGEANT THAT CAME OUT, I'M BLOCKED IN THE BACK OF A CAR WITH HANDCUFFS ON ME IN A WEIRD POSITION.
THIS MAN WALKS UP TO THE SIDE OF THE CAR AND WHISPERS TO ME, I'M GONNA KILL YOU.
WELL, I'M SCARED BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING OVER THERE, HE'S TOLD ME THIS, AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WHILE NOT KEEPING HIM AWAY FROM ME IN A CAR.
THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED, THEY HAD THE HANDCUFFS SO TIGHT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT DOUBLE LOCKING IS.
MY SON IS A, A POLICE OFFICER.
WE DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE CUFFS WERE SO TIGHT ON ME THAT NOW I HAVE COMPLETE NERVE DAMAGE IN THIS PART OF MY WRIST BEHIND BEING ARRESTED, FALSELY ARRESTED BECAUSE I WASN'T TRESPASSING, BECAUSE I DID HAVE A CONTRACT TO BE ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THE OFFICER TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO BE THE JUDGE AND THE JURY OF WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO WAS WRONG IN THAT SITUATION.
THAT WAS REALLY A CIVIL SITUATION.
AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DOING A CIVIL STANDBY.
UM, MY TWO SONS WAS THERE AND, UM, ONE OF HI AND ONE OF THEIR GIRLFRIENDS WERE THERE.
THEY KEPT ME IN A CAR FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
I HAVE WHAT IS CALLED PHASIA, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THAT BRUCE WILLIS HAD BECAUSE I HAD A MINI STROKE.
SO I'M, I'M JUST HAPPY THAT YOU CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND ME RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY LEFT ME IN THE CAR FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE I WAS ALREADY SWEATING AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE CAMERA, I HAD TO WIPE MY EYE ON THE FRONT OF THE SEAT, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW I, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO 'CAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED AND THE CUFFS WERE TIGHT.
EVERY TIME I MOVE OR DO ANYTHING, THEY WERE TIGHT.
AND SO THE ONE GUY I SAID, HEY, THIS, THIS IS HURTING ME.
AND HE GOES, OH, SHE MUST DIDN'T DOUBLE LOCK THE CUFFS.
AND THEN AFTER DOING THAT, UM, I SAID, I DON'T WANNA GO ANYWHERE UNTIL I GET MY PROPERTY.
AND THE PROPERTY, I HAD HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF MERCHANDISE ON IT, UM, THAT I HAD ONE OF THE OFFICERS TO GET UP IN THERE WITH HER BODY CAM SO SHE COULD SEE IT.
IT WASN'T OURS, IT WAS TORO, UH, MOORES, ALL THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THAT HAPPENED AND THEY LEFT, THEY WERE STILL OVER DEBATING.
I TOLD THEM I DIDN'T WANNA LEAVE WITHOUT MY PROPERTY.
THEY DRIVE ME TO THE FRONT AND SAY, YOU'RE GONNA
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GET YOUR PROPERTY.THEN AFTER THEY DRIVE ME TO THE FRONT, THEY DECIDE AFTER HE SEE ME, THEY WANNA UNREST ME AND DRIVE ME WAY FROM OVER THERE TO GARLAND, TEXAS WHERE I LIVE.
MY SON VIDEOED ME GETTING OUT OF A CAR AND, AND JUST HUMILIATED ME BECAUSE I WAS READY TO GO TO JAIL BECAUSE I KNEW I DIDN'T DO ANY WRONG.
I KNEW THAT THEY WERE IN THE WRONG AND I KNEW WHAT THEY DID TO ME WAS WRONG.
AND THAT'S WHY I CRIED WHEN I HEARD THAT GENTLEMAN SAY THAT BECAUSE THE IA DID THE SAME THING TO ME.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD CALL ME IN 10 DAYS AND THEY SENT ME A LETTER IN 20 DAYS SAYING, NO, INVEST, YOU KNOW, NOTHING FOUND.
THAT'S THEIR, THEIR THEIR GO-TO THING.
SO I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WILL PULL THE CAMERA IN 10 DAYS AND I CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
TO THIS DAY, I STILL CANNOT GET ACCESS TO IT BECAUSE I WANT ALL THE INFORMATION FROM WHEN WE WERE CHASED WITH THE GUNS TO WHEN THEY FALSELY ARRESTED ME AND CLOWNED IN THE VEHICLES AND SAW THAT THEY HAD A STOLEN, UM, OUR TRUCK WAS WRECKED, OUR TRACTOR WAS WRECKED, AND THEY HAD A TRUCK THAT WAS ATTACHED TO IT THAT THEY HAD A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO TIMES TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD ON SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
MR. WILLIAMS. ARE YOU READY? YES, SIR.
DID, DID, DID YOUR SON WANT, WANT TO SPEAK? YOU WANNA USE THIS? UH, YES.