[Community Police Oversight Board on September 12, 2023.]
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SO, MR. WILLIAMS, WE DO HAVE A, A QUORUM HERE.
Y'ALL READY TO, TO START? MR. MCCLAR IS HEADED DOWN TO, HE'S HEADED DOWN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, WAIT, SAY IT AGAIN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SHE, SHE, SO I'M SAYING WE, WE HAVE A QUORUM.
CAN WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED? WAY, SIR? SHE'S ON HER WAY, SIR, WE CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU.
SO YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I THINK YOU PROBABLY NEED TO COME HERE, MR. WILLIAMS. ALL HE IS SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE ARE READY TO START.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU.
MR. MCCLARY ISS ON THE WAY DOWN THERE WITH THE EXTRA COPIES FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO DO NOT HAVE A PROGRAM MEMBER FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID ON THE TROLLEY.
CAN WE REQUIRE ALL CITY OF DALLAS EMPLOYEES WORKING FOR THIS GROUP TO BE IN THE ROOM? I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE HIRING.
MR. WE HAVE MR. WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS HAVE EVER NO, NO, NO.
HE'S ALWAYS, HE'S REMOTE GOING TO BE USING.
USE THIS COMPUTER TO, CAN'T USE IT DOWN HERE.
HE'S NOT IN THE LAPTOP, I DON'T THINK.
WE HAVE A HARD TIME HEARING HIM EVERY TIME.
NO, THAT'S A THAT, BUT, UH, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
I'M JUST SAYING WHY I THINK WE CAN TALK.
RIGHT? SO CAN I DON'T, I DIDN'T WANT NOT TO SHOW VIDEO RIGHT HERE.
NO, WE SAYING YOU HAVE A FORUM.
WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OPEN MIC, BUT I'M SAYING WE STARTED WITH MIC.
WE HAVE SOMEONE ONLINE SPEAK REAL QUICK.
LET KNOW WHEN WE, WHEN IT'S TEST, WE HEAR YOU.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU AND MS. SANFORD.
ARE WE IN? ARE WE IN, ARE WE LIVE RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
I TOLD MR.
I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING THE ORDER.
THE TIME IS NOW 5:52 PM I'M J SW ROADWAY.
NOW THE CARRIE JUNIOR CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD IS TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR AND THOROUGHLY OR TRANSPARENT.
AND ENSURE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT, PROCESS, DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS.
ENSURE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSES OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS, REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
DIRECT OR MONITOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
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EXCEPT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.TAKES SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.
RECORDS THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS, BOARD DECORUM.
DURING BOARD MEETINGS, MEMBERS SHALL PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM AND SHALL NEITHER BY CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPT THE PROCEEDINGS, NOR REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
THIS ALSO APPLIES TO OUR GUESTS AND THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.
ALL MEMBERS AND GUESTS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, THE CITY EMPLOYEES, AND TO FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND SHALL REFRAIN AT ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS.
REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.
PER OUR ADOPTED RULES AND PROCEDURES, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON WITH SOME DISCRETION BY ME AS NEEDED.
BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED.
PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE TAKEN NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING, PLEASE UNDERSTAND, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND TO HAVE HEALTHY AND EVEN SPIRITED DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ADHERE TO THE GUIDELINES I MENTIONED ABOVE.
AND SO WITH THAT, I OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
GIMME ONE SECOND BEFORE YOU START.
YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND START.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
YOU DO HAVE HANDOUTS BASED UP, BASED ON BEING BATTLED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR OVER A DECADE.
IT WARRANTS YOU TO GO BACK TO REVISE, REVAMP, AND RECONSTRUCT THE WAY YOU HANDLE AND APPROACH HARASSMENT COMPLAINTS INTERNALLY.
BECAUSE IF EACH OF YOU CAN USE ONE ANOTHER METHODICALLY TO BATTLE YOUR TARGETS INTO THE SAD SUBMISSION OF SILENCE BY PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE, BULLYING, INTIMIDATION, HOW DO YOU FIRE YOUR OWN FOR LESS THAN WHAT THEY PARTAKE IN THE OPEN QUIT PRO QUO QUOTE ON THIS HANDOUT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FIRST PAGE.
IT'S A EMAIL TO AND FROM MS. MCCLARY IN 2020.
THESE WERE CDS, PHYSICAL CDS, AND MS. MCCLARY KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT, THAT'S WHY SHE LEFT.
SHE KNOW THAT SHE HEARD A COVERUP WITHIN A COVERUP.
THIS CD WAS FIRST IN THE POSSESSION OF MS. MCCLARY.
TAYLOR WOODS WAS TOLD TO GO LOOK IN THE DRAWER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT CAME UP, YOU KNOW, FROM NOWHERE.
THIS SAME CD WAS THEN FILED IN THE COURT OF LAW IN DC 2 1 0 6 2 9 9.
DOLORES PHILLIPS VERSUS CITY OF DALLAS AT ALL TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF WORKERS' COMPENSATION AND TWO SEALED ENVELOPES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS.
F B I RECORDS, AUDIO VIDEO BODY CAM DASH CAM 9 1 1 CALLS CAME UP MISSING, BUT I'M GONNA TAKE YOUR BLOWS CHAIR.
REMEMBER WHEN Y'ALL DIDN'T LET ME SPEAK, YOU AND MS. MCCLARY, THAT WAS OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE OPERATING UNDER COLOR OF LAW.
I'M GONNA BE KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR.
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT OF NORTHERN TEXAS, DALLAS DIVISION IN THE FEDERAL BUILDING, REDUPLICATED, HALF OF THE CDS THAT CAME UP MISSING IN A HUNDRED AND FIRST COURT WHERE Y'ALL BATTLED STACEY WILLIAMS VERSUS CITY OF DALLAS AS A BLACK JUDGE.
SHE WANTED TO DISPOSE ALL OF THE BLACK CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW Y'ALL OPERATE.
WHOEVER YOUR TARGET IS FOR SPEAKING OF INJUSTICE, BE THEY BLACK, BLUE, WHITE, BROWN, AND GREEN.
CITY OF DALLAS USED THEIR OWN PEOPLE TO SILENCE THEM.
YOU DID IT TO ROBERT GROTON FOR 20 YEARS.
YOU BATTLED THE DALLAS POLICE AND FIRE PENSION SYSTEM FROM 1995 TO 2018.
AT THE SAME TIME YOU WAS BATTLING MR. GROTON.
PERSONAL INJURY, 2006, 2010 IN THE FEDERAL COURT, CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS VIOLATION.
AND THEN IN 2014, HE PREVAILED AGAIN, CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION WITH HONORABLES JUDGE STACEY WILLIAMS, WHO IS THE JUDGE THAT WAS ONCE THE CITY OF DALLAS JUDGE ACCUSED Y'ALL
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THE, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF HARASSMENT RETALIATION AND WRONG FOR TERMINATION.I NEED TO, TO BE READY TO TESTIFY IN THE COURT OF LAW AS TO WHY YOU AND PHILLIPS MS. MCCLARY DID NOT ALLOW ME TO SPEAK FOR IN FOR NO REASON.
LOOKS LIKE THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
FOR THE RECORD, WE DON'T HAVE ANY POWER OVER THE, UH, PENSION.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
OKAY? I, I ONLY HAVE ONE NAME LISTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IS THERE SOMEONE ELSE? YES, SIR.
WHO, WHO, WHO IS IT? I I DON'T HAVE A NAME.
YOUR NAME AND YOUR, UH, CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT, MR. MARTIN.
LEMME JUST PULL YOU ONE SECOND.
UH, DID YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON? OH, OKAY.
CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME OKAY? YEAH, YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
YOU, YOU GOT, YOU GOT THREE MINUTES? OKAY, WELL, ALRIGHT.
WHO? MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S MICROPHONE IS OFF, PLEASE.
MR. MARTIN, UNFORTUNATELY, I APOLOGIZE.
YOU, YOU WEREN'T GIVEN CORRECT INFORMATION.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE VIDEO IN ORDER FOR YOU TO, UM, BE ABLE TO SPEAK IN THIS MEETING.
WELL, UH, YOUR WEBEX INVITATION SAID I COULD JOIN BY PAUL LEY.
I, I I I THINK THE STAFF MAY HAVE BEEN CONFUSED ON THIS, ON YOU.
NOW YOU ARE SCHEDULED TO SPEAK IN ITEM TWO A.
WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YOUR, TO YOUR PART YET.
WELL, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT ASKED ME TO SPEAK.
NO, I, I, I MEAN YOU, MR. MR. WILLIAMS DID, AND I APOLOGIZE, MR. CALLED? YEAH, MR. WILLIAMS GAVE YOU INCORRECT INFORMATION, SIR.
MR. WILLIAMS, GET INFORMATION HE NEEDS TO SHOW HIMSELF ON THE VIDEO.
MR. WILLIAMS, HE'S LISTED ON THE ITEM TWO A.
WE GOT A MINUTE BEFORE WE GET TO ITEM TO, BEFORE WE GET TO ITEM TWO A.
HEY, WELL AM AM I NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK BECAUSE I'M, I'LL SWITCH AROUND WITH MY COMPUTER ON ONE DAY.
IF SO, I'LL JUST MAKE ANOTHER APPOINTMENT AND CALL IN ANOTHER TIME.
THANK, THANK YOU MR. MR. MR. MARTIN.
SO I'M NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK YOU.
YOUR, YOUR AGENDA ITEM IS, I, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YOUR AGENDA ITEM YET, SIR.
BUT YOU TOLD ME MR MOMENT AGO THAT I CAN'T SPEAK WITHOUT A CAMERA ON WEBEX AND I DON'T HAVE ONE.
I, SO IF, IF I'M, IF I'M NOT GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK, I'LL CALL, I'LL GET ANOTHER APPOINTMENT WHEN I'M ABLE TO GET ON MY, UH, LAPTOP AND GET ON WEB AND BRING A CAMERA UP.
UNFORTUNATELY, SIR, THAT, THAT'S STATE LAW.
I, I, THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
YES, YOU COULD SPEAK, BUT STATE LAW, UH, PROHIBITS YOU TO SPEAK UNLESS YOU DO HAVE, UH, UNLESS YOU ARE A PART OF THE VIDEO.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL GIVE MR. WILLIAM MARTIN A CALL.
I'M SORRY, MR. WILLIAMS. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND THE WORD YOU'RE SAYING.
SAID HE'LL CALL, I'LL GIVE MR. MARTIN A PHONE CALL, OKAY?
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OKAY.THAT ENDS, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT.
DISTRICT FOUR, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR, PRESENT.
YOU'RE ON MUTE, MR. RES? UH, DISTRICT SEVEN.
UH, COUNCILMAN ADAM, AMBASSADOR.
BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 PRESENT.
DID YOU NOT HEAR ME? NO, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU.
OKAY, WE OFFICIALLY HAVE A QUORUM.
LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, THE MINUTES.
I'M GONNA GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO REVIEW THE MINUTES, AND THEN I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THEM.
LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
DAVID KITNER DISTRICT, UM, 13.
UH, I'M I SECOND THAT I, I JUST NOTE A COUPLE OF POINTS HERE WHERE IT HOLD UP.
WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ERRORS, RIGHT? WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET, YEAH, WE'LL GET, WE'LL GET WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO IT.
HOWEVER, DO YOU WANNA DO IT? I, I SECOND THE MOTION THEN.
IS IT PROPERLY MOVED TO SECOND? IT NOW? DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY UN READINESS ABOUT THE MINUTES? MY COMMENT IS THAT THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REFERENCES HERE TO THE CHAIRMAN MAKING MOTIONS WHEN THE CHAIRMAN WAS ILL AND NOT PRESENT AND THE VICE CHAIRMAN WAS MAKING WAS IN CHARGE.
TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED.
WELL, ACTUALLY, HE'S THE CHAIRMAN.
THE, IN, IN LAST WEEK'S MEETING.
LAST MONTH'S MEETING, ACTUALLY MR. VICE CHAIR WAS, WAS SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN.
SO I MADE THE MOTIONS AS NO, NO, NO, NO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT, OH, THE WORD OF WELL, I AM THE CHAIRMAN SAYS THE CHAIRMAN ASKED FOR A MOTION.
IT, IT, IT, IT, IT DOES NEED TO BE.
AND THE CHAIRMAN ASKED FOR A MOTION THAT'S ON ITEMS TWO, CLARIFICATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
CAN I ASK THOSE QUESTIONS? YES, YOU CAN.
THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO WHEN I SAY THE CHAIRMAN I'M REFERRING TO WHO WAS CHAIRING THE MEETING, NOT THE PHYSICAL CHAIRMAN.
SO LAST MONTH, UM, MR. BURGESS, THE VICE CHAIR ACTUALLY CHAIRED THE MEETING.
SO IN THE MINUTES, DO I NEED TO SAY THE VICE CHAIR OR IS HE CONSIDERED THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT MEETING? HE WOULD BE THE CHAIR OF THAT MEETING.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CONCERN? ALL RIGHT.
UM, WITH THAT, PUT IT TO A VOTE.
ITEM ITEM TWO, A DONNELL LANE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY O C P O, UH, DIRECTOR MCCLARY, YOU ALREADY DONE ITEM ITEM TWO'S TWO.
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YEAH, THE COMMENT BEFORE THIS MR. LANE.ALRIGHT, MR. LANE, I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES AND START WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
THANK YOU GUYS FOR LAST MONTH.
UM, THE CONCERNS I HAD, A LOT OF MY BATTLE BUDDIES REACH OUT TO ME.
A LOT OF MY SERVICE MEMBERS, A LOT OF FAMILY, A LOT OF FRIENDS.
UM, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT.
UM, IT'S EMBARRASSING, BUT, UH, UM, I HOPE IT HELPS SOMEONE.
UM, I GOT A LOT OF CALLS, EXCUSE ME.
BUT, UH, UH, I WANNA ADDRESS TO, TO MAJOR IRENE AL WHO RUNS INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
I URGE YOU TO EXPEDITE THE INVESTIGATION.
IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS SINCE I FILED MY ORIGINAL COMPLAINT.
MAJOR ANALYSIS AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS MAILED ME A LETTER THAT STATED THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION OR VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES VIOLATIONS.
BUT NOW, AS OF AUGUST 16TH, 2023, AN INVESTIGATION HAS STARTED.
I'M ASKING FOR ANSWERS, UM, THE STATUS OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.
I ALSO WANT TO ASK CHIEF EDDIE GARCIA OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT WHAT HE PLANS TO DO ABOUT THESE OFFICERS.
THE PUBLIC IN ALL ARE CONCERN.
THE OFFICER'S ACTIONS GO AGAINST THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AGAINST THE POLICE CODE OF ETHICS AND DALLAS CITY CONDUCT STANDARDS.
THE AMERICAS WITH DISABILITY ACT WAS NOT HELD UP BY ANY OF THE OFFICERS.
MISTREATING, PEOPLE SEEKING HELP IS SIMPLY WRONG.
THE IN INDIVIDUAL AGENCY THAT WILL BE DISCIPLINING.
THESE OFFICERS ALSO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE DURING THIS INVESTIGATION MOVING FORWARD TO ENSURE THESE CURRENT OFFICERS ARE NEVER GIVEN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO OBTAIN A POLICE OFFICER CERTIFICATION, NOR ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE A TCO LICENSE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS EVER AGAIN.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND IF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN AND ARE NOT LOUD ENOUGH, I'M HERE TO LET THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOW THESE OFFICERS NEED TO GO.
AND THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT BOTH BROKE A MAJOR FEDERAL LAW AND STATE LAW THAT'S CALLED THE ALLEY'S LAW.
THE ACTION OF THESE OFFICERS SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED BY CITIZENS.
WE HAVE A VOICE AND WE WANT CHANGE.
MY JUSTICE IS THAT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN TO ANY OTHER CITIZEN WITH A DISABILITY.
AGAIN, I THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME.
YOU SERVE, DID YOU SERVE IN AFGHANISTAN? CORRECT.
SO I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, PERSONALLY, YOU DID NOT SIGN UP TO GO FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS, PROTECT OUR RIGHTS HERE IN AMERICA AND AFGHANISTAN TO COME BACK TO AMERICA AND SUFFER THE INDIGNITY THAT YOU SUFFER ON US SOIL.
AND WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH YOUR CASE.
UM, THAT THAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT.
MR. WILLIAMS. WERE YOU ABLE TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE WITH MR. MARTIN? UM, YES.
WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR HIM TO GIVE A CALL BACK TO CHECK BACK THEN.
HE'S TRYING TO GET A LAPTOP TO MAKE IT WORK FOR HIM.
OKAY, DIRECTOR MCCLAR, ARE YOU READY? YES.
SO, I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON MR. UM, LANE'S CASE.
SO AT THE AUGUST 8TH, 23, UM, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD REVIEWED THE COMPLAINT OF MR. LANE AND VOTED FOR, UM, THE OFFICE OF, UH, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE CASE.
PRIOR TO, UM, THE OFFICE, PRIOR
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TO THE BOARD VOTING FOR THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, THEY HEARD FROM MR. LANE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT.AND SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS ALSO PRESENTED HIS FINDINGS, PRESENTED THE FINDINGS OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION, UM, AND PLAYED A BODY WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT WAS RELATED TO THE COMPLAINT.
SO I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, WHEN HE WAS REPORTING OUT, THAT WAS THE FINDINGS OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
WE HAD NOT BEEN ASSIGNED IN AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR. UH, DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM MR. LANE, THE BOARD LEARNED THAT HE WAS A SERGEANT IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY AND THAT HE HAD BEEN DEPLOYED IN AFGHANISTAN, KUWAIT, AND IRAQ.
AND WHILE HE WAS DEPLOYED, IS WHEN HE SUSTAINED THE LIFE-THREATENING INJURIES THAT HE EXPRESSED TO THE BOARD, UM, CAUSED HIM THE ISSUES AT SIRIUS PIZZA.
UM, DURING THAT TIME, IT WAS THE NIGHT OF JUNE 10TH.
UH, THERE WERE TWO OFF-DUTY OFFICERS WORKING AT SIRIUS PIZZA, UM, THAT DID NOT ASSIST HIM THAT EVENING.
AND IF YOU ALL REMEMBER FROM THE VIDEO FOOTAGE, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, TWO OFFICERS WERE DISPATCHED TO SIRIUS PIZZA.
UM, BY THE TIME MR. UH, THEY GOT THERE, MR. LANE HAD ALREADY LEFT THE ESTABLISHMENT.
AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF AN ISSUE, UH, THAT HAPPENED WHEN HE WAS NOT ABLE TO GO TO, UH, THE RESTROOM.
AND DURING THE, UH, QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION, INTERNAL AFFAIRS INFORMED THE BOARD THAT THEY HAD NOT SEEN.
THEY HAD NEVER SEEN THE VIDEO FOOTAGE THAT WAS PLAYED AT THE BOARD MEETING.
UM, SINCE THAT MEETING, UM, MR. LANE'S CASE HAS GONE, I THINK A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE OR PEOPLE WOULD SAY IT'S GONE VIRAL.
AND SO I HAVE, UH, THERE ARE WEBSITES THAT ARE SHOWING THAT MR. LANE'S CASE ALMOST HAS A MILLION VIEWS ACROSS THE WORLD, UM, IN THE BOARD PACKET THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO.
ON OUR WEBSITE, I HAVE LISTED A LIST OF LOCAL STATIONS THAT HAVE COVERED ITS, UH, STATIONS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, NATIONWIDE, AS WELL AS INTERNATIONAL.
AS FAR AS LONDON HAVE PICKED UP THIS STORY.
UM, THIS STORY HAS ALSO BEEN PICKED UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, YOUTUBE, TIKTOK, AND EX FORMER TWITTER ABOUT MR. LANE'S CASE.
UM, THIS CASE HAS ACTUALLY CAUSED PUBLIC OUTRAGE, UM, AMONG MANY MEN AND WOMEN, PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED IN MILITARY SERVICE.
THE OFFICE IS RECEIVING ON AVERAGE, EVEN TILL THIS DAY, LITERALLY, MR. MARTIN THAT IS HAVING THE PROBLEMS, I HOPE HE COULD GET ON, CALLED US AROUND FIVE SAYING, CAN I SPEAK AT THE BOARD MEETING TONIGHT? I REALLY WANNA SPEAK OUT, UM, ABOUT MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS CASE.
SO WE'VE BEEN GETTING LITERALLY 10 TO 15 PHONE CALLS A DAY.
WE'VE BEEN GETTING PEOPLE THAT HAVE FILED FORMAL WRITTEN COMPLAINTS, UM, TO OUR OFFICE OR EITHER INTERNAL AFFAIRS ABOUT THE SITUATION WITH, UM, THAT HAS GONE ON WITH MR. LANE.
UNFORTUNATELY, MOST OF THOSE COMPLAINTS HAVE BEEN LABELED NO INVESTIGATION BECAUSE ONE OF THE CATEGORIES FOR NO INVESTIGATION IS IF IT'S A THIRD PARTY COMPLAINT.
SO, BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WRITING US AND CALLING US WEREN'T THERE, DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, MOST OF THOSE COMPLAINTS ARE GOING TO BE CATEGORIZED AS NO INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THEY'RE THIRD PARTY.
UM, IN TERMS OF THE INVESTIGATION, UM, AT THE BOARD MEETING, THE BOARD VOTED FOR MY OFFICE TO ACTUALLY DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
AND MR. WILLIAMS WAS PREPARING TO START THAT PROCESS.
HE WAS LINING UP INTERVIEWS, UM, ET CETERA.
AND THEN ON AUGUST THE 16TH, I RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM MAJOR IRENE ALANISE, WHO IS THE COMMANDING OFFICER ON OVER INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
UH, AND IT'S IN THE WORDING, BE ADVISED, I HAVE OPENED AN INVESTIGATION ON MR. LANE'S COMPLAINT.
AND SO I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THE BOARD THE STATUS OF OUR INVESTIGATION BASED ON THAT.
SO IF I'M INCORRECT IN MY INTERPRETATION, THE ORDINANCE THAT CREATED OUR OFFICE SAYS THAT THE AUTHORITY OF THIS OFFICE TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION IS ONCE AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION HAS BEEN CONCLUDED.
AND I WANNA SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE GOTTEN SO MANY PHONE CALLS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY CURSING US OUT, UM, YELLING IN THE PHONE, FIRST OF ALL, 'CAUSE THEY THINK WE'RE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THEY WANNA KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT DOING AN INVESTIGATION.
SO I WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW AND THE PUBLIC THAT'S WATCHING TONIGHT OR MAY WATCH THIS, THAT IT IS NOT BY THE WILL OF THIS BOARD OR THE OFFICE, THAT WE ARE NOT CONDUCTING THIS INVESTIGATION BECAUSE INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS NOW FORMALLY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO DO ONE.
IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND LIKE I SAID, OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE, THAT WE HAVE TO HALT THE INVESTIGATION THAT HAS BEEN, UM, ASKED BY THIS BOARD UNTIL THAT PROCESS IS CONCLUDED.
SO AS OF THIS MOMENT, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS NOT DOING THE INVESTIGATION.
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ARE WAITING FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO CONCLUDE THEIRS.AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS, MR. LANE WILL RECEIVE, UH, THE OUTCOME OF THAT FORMAL INVESTIGATION.
AND AT THAT TIME, IF HE IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION, HE WILL BE ABLE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD AND SAY, EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE NOW DONE AN INVESTIGATION, I'M STILL NOT HAPPY WITH IT.
AND ASK YOU ALL AT THAT TIME TO REVIEW THE INVESTIGATION OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND DETERMINE AT THAT TIME IF YOU STILL WOULD LIKE THE OFFICE TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
SO, UH, MR. BURGESS, AM I CORRECT ON THAT ANALYSIS? YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
SO I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT THE BOARD TO KNOW.
IT'S JUST THE PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
AND ALSO, MR. LANE, JUST SO YOU KNOW WHY WE'RE NOT, UM, CONDUCTING, AND I PUT IN HERE THE CODE SECTION, IT'S DALLAS CITY CODE 37.32, THAT STATES THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE BOARD IS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE FINDINGS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
SO FINDINGS MEANS THERE HAS TO BE SOME FINDINGS, RIGHT? SO THERE AREN'T ANY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING, UM, THE INVESTIGATION.
AND SO WE ARE ACTIVELY MONITORING THAT INVESTIGATION.
WE'RE GOING TO ALL OF THE INTERVIEWS OF THE OFFICERS THAT ARE INVOLVED.
SO WE ARE ACTUALLY MONITORING THIS INVESTIGATION, UM, SO THAT IN THE EVENT THAT MR. LANE IS NOT HAPPY, WE AND THIS BOARD SAYS, GO FORWARD AND DO AN INVESTIGATION.
WE ARE READY TO JUMP IN, UM, ET CETERA.
SO WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED, UH, IN MONITORING THE INVESTIGATION AT THIS TIME.
AND SO, UH, WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.
SO I, I DO HAVE SOME, SOME QUESTIONS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS STORY HAS GONE NATIONAL.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTRAGED, BUT JUST IMAGINE THE OUTRAGE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE IF THIS INVESTIGATION IS NOT DONE CORRECTLY.
SO, SO MY QUESTION IS, SINCE THE BOARD HAS ALREADY VOTED ON THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT AT THE TIME D P D SAID NO INVESTIGATION, AND NOW D P D IS GOING TO INVESTIGATE, DOES MR. LANE HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN BEFORE US FOR US TO VOTE FOR ANOTHER INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION? WE'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR ONE.
MEANING CAN THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION PROCEED AFTER DPDS INVESTIGATION? IT CAN.
SO, UH, I THINK THE SECTION MS. MCCLARY IS REFERRING TO IS SECTION 37, 32 0.3, SUBSECTION C.
SO THIS SAYS BOARD REVIEW OR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF ANY INCIDENT COMPLAINT OR REQUEST FOR REVIEW, WHETHER RECEIVED BY THE BOARD OR DIRECTOR SHALL BE POSTPONED PENDING ONE COMPLETION OF ALL FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
SO YEAH, ONCE, ONCE THEY COMPLETE THEIR INVESTIGATION, THE BOARD CAN, CAN TAKE THAT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BACK UP.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, SO, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. LANE DOESN'T HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US AND TELL HIS STORY AGAIN AND ASK FOR US TO DO INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR IT.
ONCE I, A'S INVESTIGATION IS OVER, DIRECTOR MCLAREN CAN PROCEED WITH THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION SINCE WE'VE ALREADY VOTED FOR IT.
CORRECT? THAT'S THE WAY I'M READING.
SOUNDS LIKE, IS THIS JUST POSTPONED? UM, WHILE, WHILE IT'S PENDING, IT IA OKAY.
DIRECTLY YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING.
SO THE ONLY REASON I, SO I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT.
SO THE ONLY REASON I WAS ASKING IT, THE WAY I WAS ASKING IS THAT IF, FOR, IF EVERYBODY IS SATISFIED WITH THAT INVESTIGATION, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO YIELD, THEN DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE OFFICE TO DO ANOTHER INVESTIGATION? THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION.
SO MAYBE MR. LANE DOESN'T HAVE, IS THAT SOMETHING CHAIR THAT I WOULD THEN BRING BACK TO YOU TO SEE IF YOU ALL ARE SATISFIED WITH IT? OR DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? IF EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THE OUTCOME OF WHAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS DETERMINES, DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR THE OFFICE TO DO AN INVESTIGATION ANYWAY? SO, SO THIS IS, THIS IS MY TAKE ON IT.
I AIN'T COMPLETES THEIR INVESTIGATION.
MR. LANE GETS THE RESULTS OF IT.
IF MR. LANE IS SATISFIED, THEN YOU BRING IT BACK TO US AND OKAY.
AND WE CAN UM, CAN, CAN, CAN BRING THE ITEM BACK UP AGAIN.
IF MR. LANE IS NOT SATISFIED, YOU GO AHEAD WITH THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
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I DO THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS REGARDLESS, IS HOW THIS WENT THROUGH I A D ONCE AND THEY DECIDED THIS WAS NO INVESTIGATION AND THEN FOUND OUT LATER THAT THEY HAD NEVER EVEN SEEN THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE AND MADE A DETERMINATION OF NO INVESTIGATION WITHOUT ACTUALLY EVEN VIEWING THE BODY-WORN CAMERA VI, YOU KNOW, CAMERA VIDEO THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SEE.SO THAT TO ME IS A, A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DOES I A D COME UP WITH A NO INVESTIGATION WITHOUT EVER HAVING BOTHERED TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE? SO I, I THINK REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME, THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE.
THERE MIGHT BE G YEAH, I AGREE AS WELL.
UH, 'CAUSE THERE, UM, THERE MIGHT NEED TO BE AN INVESTIGATION ABOUT HOW THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE CARRIED OUT IN SOME SENSES.
UH, HOW ARE THEY, UH, GATHERING DATA IF WE ARE SATISFIED WITH THE FINDINGS AT THIS TIME? IT'S VERY CONCERNING THAT, UH, THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT WITH ONLY THREE EMPLOYEES WAS ABLE HOW MANY, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES? RIGHT.
SOMEHOW YOU UNCOVERED THE VIDEO THAT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DOES I A D HAVE? OH, I GUESS THEY CAN, THEY CAN TELL US HOW MANY, BUT HOW IS IT THAT THEY MISSED IT? THAT'S CONCERNING.
AND IS, HAS THIS HAPPENED? WILL THIS HAPPEN AGAIN? I I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
MCCLARY, SINCE YOU'RE MONITORING THIS CASE, IS, IT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED IN JUNE AND FROM WHAT I, WHAT I, WHAT I HEARD HIM SAY WAS THAT WHEN HE FILED THE COMPLAINT THE FIRST TIME, HE GOT A LETTER THE NEXT DAY SAYING NO INVESTIGATION, OR THREE DAYS, THREE DAYS LATER, UH, HE GOT A LETTER SAYING THAT THERE WAS NO POLICY VIOLATION.
THE, THE SECOND TIME HE, HE FILED IT AGAIN.
WELL, WE HAD THE MEETING ON AUGUST 16TH.
WELL, ON AUGUST 16TH YOU GOT THE EMAIL FROM I A D SAYING THAT THEY'VE OPENED INVESTIGATION, IT'S COMING ON ONE MONTH.
AND, UH, JUST CUR CURIOUS, UH, DO YOU KNOW THE STATUS OF THIS INVESTIGATION AS FAR AS WHEN IT WILL BE COMPLETE? SO I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER, UM, TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
I KNOW THAT THEY'RE STILL INTERVIEWING THE OFFICERS.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE ARE ATTENDING THE INTERVIEW, SO I KNOW THAT THEY STILL HAVE SOME OTHER OFFICERS TO INTERVIEW.
SO I'M NOT SURE IF INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND ALSO, JUST WHILE WE'RE ON THAT NOTE, UM, AT THE BOARD MEETING LAST MONTH, THE BOARD ASKED IF THE STAFF FROM INTERNAL AFFAIRS COULD START COMING TO THE MEETINGS IN PERSON.
I MADE THAT REQUEST OF CHIEF GARCIA AND I JUST WANNA LET THE BOARD KNOW HIS RESPONSES THAT HE IS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE HIS STAFF TO COME TO THE MEETINGS IN PERSON AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ON, UM, VIDEO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET THE PEOPLE, I WANTED, YOU ALL KNOW THAT I ASKED, I ACTUALLY PUT IT IN WRITING.
I ASKED THEM AGAIN YESTERDAY AND I GOT THE RESPONSE BACK TODAY THAT HE IS NOT GONNA REQUIRE HIS STAFF TO COME IN PERSON AT THIS TIME.
BUT I THINK MAJOR ALANISE IS ON THE LINE.
SO SHE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, UM, BOARD MEMBER KI UM, I'M SORRY, BOARD MEMBER DAVIDSON GIVE YOU THE MORE ACCURATE INFORMATION.
MS. MS. MCCLARY JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO ASKED FOR THAT.
UM, I WOULD ASK THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS RECONSIDER THEIR DECISION BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT, BEING HERE IN PERSON IS NOT HELPFUL TO THEM.
IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO PROPERLY ASSESS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE.
AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT DOING A SERVICE TO EITHER THEMSELVES OR THE POLICE OFFICERS WHEN THEY DON'T SHOW UP IN PERSON.
MS. MS. SEINFIELD HAS, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE WITH WHAT, UH, BOARD MEMBER KENTNER SAID, BUT SECONDLY, DID THE POLICE CHIEF GIVE A RATIONALE FOR WHY HE WASN'T GONNA ASK I INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOLKS TO COME IN PERSON? IT WAS JUST A NO.
I CAN PULL UP THE EMAIL AND JUST READ IT VERBATIM, BUT IT WAS PRETTY MUCH, NO, I'M NOT GONNA REQUIRE MY, UM, STAFF TO ATTEND AT THIS TIME.
I THINK WHAT'S A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME IS THAT WHEN I SENT THE EMAIL, AND I CAN SHARE IT WITH THE BOARD AFTERWARDS, I SENT IT IN THE SPIRIT THAT BOARD MEMBER KITNER ASKED THAT IF THEY, THAT YOU ALL THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, THAT IT WOULD FURTHER RELATIONSHIP, ET CETERA.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE SPIRIT THAT YOU WERE ASKING.
UM, I THINK A LITTLE CONCERNING TO ME IS THAT MANY TIMES WHEN THEY ARE JOINING US, THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THEIR OFFICES IN HEADQUARTERS, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
SO I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR, BUT NO, THERE WAS, HE JUST, IT JUST SAID HE WAS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE HIS STAFF TO ATTEND AT THIS TIME.
UM, DISTRICT DERRICK PEGRAM, THAT PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, YOU SAID, WHAT WAS THE SITUATION? I THINK THE SITUATION IS THAT THERE IS A LACK OF CONCERN FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IF THIS, IF WE ARE THE, I'D SAY THE EYES OF THE COMMUNITY AND HE'S THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
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WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BRIDGE THAT SITUATION, WHY WOULDN'T SOMEONE AT LEAST SHOW UP? BUT THAT LACK OF CONCERN SHOWS THAT THERE'S A LACK OF CONCERN ALL THE WAY AROUND.AND IT'S, I SAY DEPLORABLE, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, UN UNLESS BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO FOR YOU TO READ THE EMAIL, I, I THINK WE'RE FINE.
UM, AS A UNITED STATES MARINE WHO HAS FRIENDS WHO HAVE SUFFERED MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY FROM GOING TO OTHER PLACES AND FIGHTING FOR THE FREEDOMS OF THIS COUNTRY, I TOO WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO YOU.
UM, AS IT RELATES TO IA, IT'S DISTURBING TO ME THAT THEY MADE A DECISION WITHOUT SEEING THE VIDEO.
I THINK THAT'S BEEN SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE IT, IT BEGS TO WONDER HOW MANY OTHER THINGS ARE FALLING THROUGH THE CRACKS.
AND THEN TO SAY, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYBODY THERE IN ATTENDANCE.
WHY? IF YOU, IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ENOUGH ABOUT A DECISION THAT YOU MAKE, YOU SHOULD BE STRONG ENOUGH OR CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO COME TO ANYBODY AND SAY, WE MADE THIS DECISION BECAUSE OF THIS, NOT ON THAT SCREEN.
SO THAT PART DISTURBS ME AS WELL.
AND MY, AND MY LAST POINT IS, DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF INFLUENCE ON, OR CAN WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO IA TO SPEED UP THIS PROCESS? BECAUSE HIS SUFFERING HAS REALLY GONE ON LONG ENOUGH.
I, I GUESS COULD WE ASK MAJOR ALANISE, UH, SOME, SOME QUESTIONS IF SHE'S, UH, ABLE TO GET ON THE SCREEN? MR. CHAIR? OKAY.
MAJOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
WE ARE JUST ASKING, UH, IF YOU GIVE US A STATUS UPDATE ON THE INVESTIGATION, UM, WITH MR. LANE AND, UM, WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW AND WHEN YOU ANTICIPATE THE FINDINGS FROM I A D TO BE PRESENTED.
ONE, BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION, I AM LIMITED WITH PROVIDING ANY DETAILS.
SECONDLY, THE DETECTIVE HAS A CASELOAD THAT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED SO THAT HE CAN SOLELY FOCUS ON MR. LANE'S CASE.
WERE YOU ABLE TO HEAR THAT? I HEAR ECHO.
COULD YOU REPEAT THAT ONE MORE TIME? MY, MY MICROPHONE WAS ON, I THINK IT WAS DISTORTING THE SOUND.
SO I DO NOT HAVE AN ANTICIPATED DATE OF WHEN THE CASE WILL BE CONCLUDED, BUT THE DETECTIVE THAT IS ASSIGNED IS A SERGEANT IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION.
HE CURRENTLY HAS A CASELOAD THAT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED, WHICH MEANS HE'S ONLY WORKING ON THE MR. LANE'S CASE AT THIS TIME.
AS FAR AS ANY DETAILS REGARDING THE CASE AND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW, I WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION.
AND, UH, IS THERE A, UH, A BALLPARK OF, OF WHEN WE CAN ANTICIPATE, IS THIS GOING TO A RESULT WITHIN A MONTH, WITHIN A WEEK, UH, THREE MONTHS? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT YOU ANTICIPATE WHEN THIS, THE CONCLUSIONS WILL BE FOUND AND, AND PRESENTED? LESS THAN A MONTH IS WHAT I, THAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT I HAVE OF MY DETECTIVE RIGHT NOW.
SO LESS THAN A MONTH, WHICH, UH, WOULD GIVE US TIME BEFORE OUR, UH, NEXT MEETING IN OCTOBER, HOPEFULLY TO BE ABLE TO, UH, DISCUSS THE FINDINGS.
UM, AND I GUESS ONE OTHER QUESTION.
UH, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS AS A BOARD, BUT, UM, WHILE YOU ARE ON THE LINE, WE WOULD LIKE TO FORMALLY INVITE YOUR TEAM TO PARTICIPATE LIVE IN THESE MEETINGS ONCE A ONCE A MONTH.
UH, WE KNOW YOUR OFFICE IS RIGHT DOWN THE STREET.
UM, BUT WE FEEL LIKE AS A BOARD, IT WOULD BUILD CAMARADERIE.
IT WOULD BUILD TRANSPARENCY, UH, FOR A MEMBER OF THE I 80 18 TO BE PRESENT WITH US.
WE KNOW IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FROM THE POLICE CHIEF AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT CAN'T BE, HE WILL NOT REQUIRE IT.
BUT WE ASK THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT, THAT, UH, YOU CONSIDER THIS, UH, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS BOARD, FOR THE SAKE OF THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE SAKE OF COMRADERY
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AND COLLABORATION.'CAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY HARD TO COMMUNICATE WITH A BOX ON TV SCREEN.
UH, AND, UM, WE WOULD LOVE TO FORMALLY INVITE YOUR TEAM TO COME TO THE MEETING FROM THIS, FROM THIS POINT FORWARD SO THAT WE COULD, IF WE HAVE A QUESTION, THERE'S SOMEONE JUST HERE THAT WE COULD ASK.
UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR THE BOARD THAT WE WOULD LOVE, UH, FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
AND WE STRONGLY, UH, WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO STRONGLY CONSIDER THAT.
'CAUSE I THINK WE BELIEVE IT WOULD REALLY HELP, UH, WITH THE COLLABORATION.
THAT'S A, THAT'S A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THE BOARD MEMBER CAN'T OFFICIALLY MAKE AN OFFER FOR THE BOARD.
THE BOARD HAS TO, I APOLOGIZE,
BUT YEAH, THIS ISN'T SPEAKING.
THIS IS JUST ME SPEAKING NOT FOR THE BOARD.
HOW, HOWEVER, IN, IN, IN LIGHT OF THAT, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I GO AHEAD, MR. MARSHALL? UH, MAJOR ALLIS, JUST GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT, UM, HOW IS IT YOU GUYS ARRIVED INITIALLY AT A NO INVESTIGATION WITHOUT EVER HAVING WATCHED THE BODY CAMERA VIDEO.
I IMAGINE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY CURIOUS HOW YOU GUYS REACHED THAT DECISION WITHOUT ACTUALLY VIEWING THE EVIDENCE AVAILABLE.
AGAIN, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE IT'S AN OPEN INVESTIGATION THAT WILL BE A PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION, THERE WILL BE SOME DOCUMENTATION REGARDING THAT.
UM, THAT IS SOMETHING INTERNALLY THAT I HAD TO TAKE A LOOK AT WITH MY TEAM.
UH, AND AGAIN, ONCE, ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY REGARDING THIS CASE, ALL THAT WILL BE IN THERE.
WE'LL, I'LL BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT WITH ALL OF THAT.
DOES ANY ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, UH, IS THAT MR. REEVES, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? Y YES, SIR.
I WANNA, FIRST, I JUST WANT THANK, UH, IA FOR, UH, REOPENING, UH, THIS INVESTIGATION AND, AND, AND TAKING IT ON, TAKING A, A REALLY GOOD LOOK AT IT.
UM, UH, SECOND, I WANTED TO, UM, ALSO, UM, UH, I WANTED TO JOIN, UH, MR. MARSHALL AND STATING HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT WE RE-LOOK AT HOW WE, UM, HOW WE REVIEW THESE CASES.
UM, ESPECIALLY AFTER, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE, DURING THESE BOARD MEETINGS, WHEN, WHEN, UH, D P D TELLS US THAT, UH, AN INVESTIGATION, UH, WAS NOT WARRANTED OR AN INVESTIGATION IS COMPLETE WITH NO FINDING, AND WE THEREFORE, UH, BY THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DO-OVER CLAUSE OR A A WHERE D P D CAN GO WELL, ON SECOND THOUGHT, I THINK WE WILL DO INVESTIGATION, EVEN THOUGH I APPRECIATE THEM DOING IT, BECAUSE I DO WANT MR. LANE TO BE MADE WHOLE, UM, AND TO, UM, ON, ON, ON THIS DEAL.
SO, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST WHAT, WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM IS JUST ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE.
UM, SO I, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, AT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH WORKING WITH, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON, UM, ON FIXING THAT.
PART OF THE PROCESS IS THAT I THINK ONCE THEY SAY THEY'RE GOOD, THEN, THEN IT, IT LEAVES IT OPEN TO US, AND THEN IT, THEN IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEING TAKEN AWAY, UH, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE.
AND IT'S NOT GIVING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ADDRESS IT LIKE WE WOULD LIKE TO FOR, FOR ON MR. LANE'S BEHALF.
SO, UM, UM, I, I THINK WE CAN, I, I THINK WE CAN, UH, WORK TOGETHER ON, UH, FINDING A SOLUTION FOR THAT.
UM, I BROUGHT UP LAST TIME THAT I THINK THE THING, THE ROOT CAUSE HERE THAT CONCERNED ME WAS WHEN, UH, MR. LANE SAID THAT IT WAS, UH, PART OF A NATIONAL LAW AND IT HAD BEEN ADOPTED IN TEXAS.
WE FOUND OUT FROM A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH.
BUT, UH, MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES THE DEPARTMENT, WHAT POLICY IS THERE WHEN OFFICERS ARE TOLD BY THE PUBLIC THAT, WELL, THIS IS A LAW THAT SAYS X OR Y SHOULD HAPPEN AND THE OFFICER DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT.
WHAT IS THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE THAT THAT OFFICER TAKES TIME TO DO BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, IGNORE IT? SO THAT, THAT'S A ROOT CAUSE
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SITUATION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ANSWER.AND I DON'T KNOW IF, IF I E D CAN DO IT OR WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE CHIEF OR HOW, HOW WE GET ANSWERS TO THAT.
BUT THAT'S A BIG, A BIG ROOT CAUSE FOR ME.
CAN, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION OR IS THAT, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? IT, IT'S A GENERAL QUESTION, NOT ONE SPECIFIC TO THIS INVESTIGATION.
SO IN REGARDS TO I HEAR THE ECHO.
UM, SO YES, IN REGARDS TO ANY POLICY ON HOW IT WILL BE ADDRESSED, THAT IS A BIGGER PICTURE QUESTION.
THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO INFORM YOU ALL ON BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SEVERAL FACTORS INVOLVED WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, PLACING ANY POLICY OR ANY NEW POLICY, OR RECOMMENDING ANY NEW POLICY WITH THE DEPARTMENT.
UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WILL COME UP REGARDING THIS INVESTIGATION.
UH, AGAIN, WITHOUT GIVING ANY SPECIFICS, I'M MAKING SURE THAT WE DO SPEAK TO DIFFERENT AVENUES OR DIFFERENT, UM, AUTHORITIES SUCH AS THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
SO THAT, AGAIN, IF THERE IS SOME CHANGE THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE, THAT WE CAN AT LEAST LOOK AT THAT.
SO, CHAIRMAN, I, I THINK, UM, YOU AND THE DIRECTOR SHOULD BRING THIS UP AT YOUR MONTHLY MEETING WITH THE CHIEF.
HOW WOULD HE LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH GIVING US AN ANSWER, A DEPARTMENTAL ANSWER, AND IF HE NEEDS TO CHECK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, SO BE IT.
BUT I, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS AT THE TOP LEVEL WHEN THE PUBLIC SAYS, WELL, THERE IS A LAW AND THE OFFICERS UNAWARE OF IT.
DIRECTOR, CAN YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT? OKAY.
TO HAVE THE BUS TALK WITH HIM ABOUT THAT? YEAH, JUST THIS, YEAH.
UH, ANY, ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL PROBABLY NEED YOU FOR, UM, A FEW MORE, UH, ITEMS BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE, UH, MOVE ON TO OUR, OUR, UH, BRIEFING ITEMS. SO JUST HANG TIGHT FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE LONG.
AND, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, MR. LANE, I, I, I, I APOLOGIZE.
YOU SERVED AND I BEGAN TO STAY IN KUWAIT AND IRAQ.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE.
HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS FROM COLLEGE THAT, THAT SERVED IN, UH, AFGHANISTAN, IRAQ, AND KUWAIT AS WELL.
A FEW THAT DID MULTIPLE TOURS.
ALRIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO HERE.
UH, SORRY, THIS IS ALL THE DISTRICT ONE.
I JUST HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION.
UM, SO I GUESS THIS QUESTION GOES BACK TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDRESSED, UM, DURING OUR RETREAT.
UM, AND IT REALLY GOES TO SOME OF THE POLICY CONCERNS THAT WE HAD AND THE POLICY COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING AT AND REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, UM, THE STRENGTH OF THIS BOARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, UM, AVENUES WE HAVE TO PURSUE.
AND I THINK THIS CASE DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF THE, UH, POWER OF THE OVERSIGHT BOARD WHEN WE HAVE A FINDING OR, OR NO FINDING OF AN ISSUE.
AND THEN OUR BOARD COMES AND HAS AN INVESTIGATION OR BOTH FOR AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
AND THEN TYPICALLY ALL WE CAN DO IS THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO, UH, THE CHIEF OR SOME CHANGE.
SO BASICALLY, IF NOTHING HAD HAPPENED IN THIS CASE WITH IA REOPENING, WE WOULD'VE VOTED FOR, UH, INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS TO, UH, INVESTIGATE.
AND WE PROBABLY, BASED ON JUST THE SENTIMENT THAT I'M HEARING AROUND THE ROOM, WOULD'VE HAD, UM, OUR OWN INTERNAL FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UH, THE CHIEF AND THEN THE CHIEF COULD HAVE MADE, UM, HIS DETERMINATION.
THAT TO ME IS STILL WHERE WE ARE, UM, LACKING THE STRENGTH TO REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS.
AND SO I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CIRCLE BACK WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WITH CHIEF GARCIA TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND HAVE THIS CASE BE, UH, UH, AN EXAMPLE
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OF WHY THERE SHOULD BE MORE, UM, MORE, UH, STRENGTH GIVEN TO THE BOARD AND WHAT WE CAN RECOMMEND AS FAR AS OUTCOMES AND ACTIONS, UH, TO AND FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.UH, MR. SMITH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, HAD THIS BOARD NOT EXISTED, MR. LANE WOULD STILL BE SUFFERING IN SILENCE.
SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT VANTAGE POINT.
WE MAY NOT GET TO DO THAT INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION AS, AS WE WANTED TO, BUT WE'VE DRAWN ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE AND I, I, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO END IN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A, A SHOESTRING INVESTIGATION WITH, UH, SORRY, WE DIDN'T SEE ANY, ANY INFRACTIONS.
I, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THIS INVESTIGATION IS GOING TO END UP.
AND WE STILL COULD DO THE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, SO DON'T, DON'T DISCOUNT THAT, BUT IA HAS TO DO THEIRS FIRST.
AND YOU'RE BRINGING, BRINGING UP THE SAME FRUSTRATION THAT THAT VICE CHAIR RES BROUGHT UP AS WELL.
BUT YET, MR. SMITH, YOUR, YOUR CONCERN IS STILL A, A VALID, A VALID SEPARATE CONCERN.
SORRY, I'LL WAIT FOR YOUR PAUSE.
NO, I, I'M FINE WITH THAT AND DEFINITELY CAN WAIT FOR THE, THE, THE PROCESS FOR MR. LANES CASE.
I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, A, A BIGGER QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY MAKE SURE STAYS AT THE FRONT OF OUR DISCUSSION, UM, AS A BOARD.
SO I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I, I AGREE AND I'M GLAD THAT OUR BOARD DID EXIST OR, UH, MR. LANE TO HAVE THIS CHANNEL, UH, TO PRESENT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S A AFFECTS ANY AND ALL CASES, NOT JUST MR. LS IN MY OPINION.
AND MRS. SMITH, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
I I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH YOU.
I JUST WANT YOU TO, TO KNOW THAT.
ANY, ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM TWO B.
OKAY, WITH THAT WE MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM TWO B, KIMBERLY AND SIUS TIUS JEFFERSON REVIEW AND DECISION REGARDING INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF O C P O, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. UM, THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT, UM, BEFORE THAT, OKAY, YEAH.
ITEM TWO A, KIMBERLY JEFFERSON AND KIMBERLY JEFFERSON.
I'M CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MR. WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS, HOLD ON ONE SECOND.
MS. JEFFERSON IS GOING TO SPEAK.
I APOLOGIZE FOR MISPRONOUNCING YOUR SON LIKE ME.
YOU HAVE TO USE THE, YOU'RE GONNA SIT MS. JEFFERSON, YOU HAVE TO USE, MAKE SURE THE MICROPHONE IS ON SO THEY CAN HEAR YOU.
UM, AGAIN, I'M KIM JEFFERSON AND I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY TODAY.
FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE JOB OF THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEIR MISSION IS TO PROTECT AND SERVE.
HOWEVER, THEY DIDN'T PROTECT AND SERVE ME.
ON FEBRUARY THE SEVENTH WHEN WE RENTED A SPOT FROM T N S TRUCKING IN DALLAS, TEXAS, WHERE WE PARKED OUR SEMI TRACTOR TRAILER SEMI IN OUR TRACTOR TRAILER AND ALSO HAD ONE OF OUR MOVING TRUCKS MOVED OVER THERE FOR REPAIR, THE GENTLEMAN HAD BEEN USING OUR ITEMS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE DECIDED TO GO BUY AND TAKE A LOOK TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND FOUND OUT OUR TRAILER WAS MISSING AND OUR TRACTOR WAS HOOKED UP TO ANOTHER TRAILER THAT DID NOT BELONG TO US.
MY SON ON HIS WAY TO WORK, DECIDED TO DRIVE ME BY THERE SO WE COULD GRAB PICTURES OF THAT.
AFTER HE TOOK THE KEY FROM THE GENTLEMAN, TOBY HAWKINS, WHO IS A KNOWN FELON, WHICH I DIDN'T FIND OUT UNTIL RECENTLY AFTER RESEARCHING, UM, BASICALLY WAS UP ON MY SON AND I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA PUSH HIM INTO
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COVERT.AND I DIALED 9 1 1 BECAUSE I WAS AFRAID BECAUSE MY SON IS A POLICE OFFICER AND HE'S NOT TRYING TO GET IN ANY TROUBLE.
AFTER TAKING THE KEY, THEY CHASED US THROUGH THE PARKING LOT.
THE OTHER SECURITY GUY HAD SEEN THE GUN ON HIM.
PRIOR, AFTER WE TOOK THE KEYS, WE WERE BASICALLY RUNNING OUTTA THERE FOR OUR LIVES.
YOU CAN HEAR ME SCREAMING ON 9 1 1 SAYING THE SAME THING MY SON TRYING TO DRIVE OUT AND EXIT.
AND THEY TRIED TO HIT US WITH A TRACTOR TRAILER.
WHEN WE GOT TO THE STATION WHERE THEY HAD US TO MEET THEM, ONE OF THE HEAD SERGEANTS TOLD US THAT IT WAS A CIVIL MATTER AND THAT I NEEDED TO SEE A CIVIL ATTORNEY AFTER MY ITEMS ARE MISSING FROM SOMEWHERE.
SO I TOLD HIM TO MAKE SURE THAT HIS CAMERA'S ON BECAUSE I DO WANT ALL THEIR CAMERA FOOTAGE.
AND I TOLD HIM I WOULD GO SEEK THE PART THAT WAS CIVIL.
AFTER SEEKING THE PART THAT WAS CIVIL, THEY NOTIFIED THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE WANTED TO GET OUR TRUCKS AND OUR THINGS BACK.
UH, HE TOLD OUR ATTORNEY THAT THAT WAS HANDLING THE CIVIL PIECE, UM, THAT WE COULD COME AND PICK UP OUR ITEMS AFTER TELLING US WE CAN PICK HIM UP.
WE GOT TO THE LOT AND WENT TO THE SAME SERGEANT THAT SAID WE COULD ASK FOR A CIVIL STANDBY SO THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT ISSUE AGAIN.
AFTER THEY CAME TO THE LOT, THE POLICE OFFICERS CAME IN WITH A BAD ATTITUDE, WAS ALREADY UPSET, SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I AIN'T GOT ALL DAY.
EVEN THOUGH WE WERE WAITING FOR A TOW TRUCK AND WE WERE WAITING FOR ALL THAT MR. UM, WHEN, WHEN THEY GOT THERE, I GAVE THEM ALL MY INFORMATION, EVERY TITLE TO EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT I HAD MY ID, EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED TO SHOW.
WE EVEN HAD A CONTRACT WITH THAT PROPERTY, SO THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DOING A CIVIL STANDBY.
IN THE PROCESS OF THAT, MR. TOBY, THE KNOWN FELON, CAME AND, AND WAS WALKING ALL AROUND THE AREA WHERE WE WAS AT.
AND SHE, THEY NEVER KEPT HIM AWAY FROM US AND TOLD THEM TO ARREST ME FOR CRIMINALLY TRESPASSING.
I AM 55 YEARS OLD AND HAVE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED IN MY LIFE.
I'M A REALTOR AND I, I DO REAL ESTATE.
I'VE DONE THAT FOR 25 YEARS AND HAVE BEEN A DALLAS PAINT, YOU KNOW, A TAXPAYER FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
THEY ARRESTED ME UP ON HIM TELLING THEM TO ARREST ME, AND THEN THEY PUT ME IN THE CAR AND HE WAS ABLE, WHILE THEY WERE OVER THERE TRYING TO DEBATE WHAT WAS GOING ON, THE TWO OFFICERS AND THE SERGEANT THAT CAME OUT, I'M BLOCKED IN THE BACK OF A CAR WITH HANDCUFFS ON ME IN A WEIRD POSITION.
THIS MAN WALKS UP TO THE SIDE OF THE CAR AND WHISPERS TO ME, I'M GONNA KILL YOU.
WELL, I'M SCARED BECAUSE THEY'RE SITTING OVER THERE, HE'S TOLD ME THIS, AND THEN THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON WHILE NOT KEEPING HIM AWAY FROM ME IN A CAR.
THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED, THEY HAD THE HANDCUFFS SO TIGHT, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT DOUBLE LOCKING IS.
MY SON IS A, A POLICE OFFICER.
WE DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE CUFFS WERE SO TIGHT ON ME THAT NOW I HAVE COMPLETE NERVE DAMAGE IN THIS PART OF MY WRIST BEHIND BEING ARRESTED, FALSELY ARRESTED BECAUSE I WASN'T TRESPASSING, BECAUSE I DID HAVE A CONTRACT TO BE ON THAT PROPERTY.
AND THE OFFICER TOOK IT ON HIMSELF TO BE THE JUDGE AND THE JURY OF WHO WAS RIGHT AND WHO WAS WRONG IN THAT SITUATION.
THAT WAS REALLY A CIVIL SITUATION.
AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN DOING A CIVIL STANDBY.
UM, MY TWO SONS WAS THERE AND, UM, ONE OF HI AND ONE OF THEIR GIRLFRIENDS WERE THERE.
THEY KEPT ME IN A CAR FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.
I HAVE WHAT IS CALLED PHASIA, WHICH IS THE SAME THING THAT BRUCE WILLIS HAD BECAUSE I HAD A MINI STROKE.
SO I'M, I'M JUST HAPPY THAT YOU CAN CLEARLY UNDERSTAND ME RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY LEFT ME IN THE CAR FOR AN EXTENDED AMOUNT OF TIME WHERE I WAS ALREADY SWEATING AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE CAMERA, I HAD TO WIPE MY EYE ON THE FRONT OF THE SEAT, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW I, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO 'CAUSE I'VE NEVER BEEN ARRESTED AND THE CUFFS WERE TIGHT.
EVERY TIME I MOVE OR DO ANYTHING, THEY WERE TIGHT.
AND SO THE ONE GUY I SAID, HEY, THIS, THIS IS HURTING ME.
AND HE GOES, OH, SHE MUST DIDN'T DOUBLE LOCK THE CUFFS.
AND THEN AFTER DOING THAT, UM, I SAID, I DON'T WANNA GO ANYWHERE UNTIL I GET MY PROPERTY.
AND THE PROPERTY, I HAD HAD ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF MERCHANDISE ON IT, UM, THAT I HAD ONE OF THE OFFICERS TO GET UP IN THERE WITH HER BODY CAM SO SHE COULD SEE IT.
IT WASN'T OURS, IT WAS TORO, UH, MOORES, ALL THIS TYPE OF STUFF.
AND THEN, UM, AFTER THAT HAPPENED AND THEY LEFT, THEY WERE STILL OVER DEBATING.
I TOLD THEM I DIDN'T WANNA LEAVE WITHOUT MY PROPERTY.
THEY DRIVE ME TO THE FRONT AND SAY, YOU'RE GONNA
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GET YOUR PROPERTY.THEN AFTER THEY DRIVE ME TO THE FRONT, THEY DECIDE AFTER HE SEE ME, THEY WANNA UNREST ME AND DRIVE ME WAY FROM OVER THERE TO GARLAND, TEXAS WHERE I LIVE.
MY SON VIDEOED ME GETTING OUT OF A CAR AND, AND JUST HUMILIATED ME BECAUSE I WAS READY TO GO TO JAIL BECAUSE I KNEW I DIDN'T DO ANY WRONG.
I KNEW THAT THEY WERE IN THE WRONG AND I KNEW WHAT THEY DID TO ME WAS WRONG.
AND THAT'S WHY I CRIED WHEN I HEARD THAT GENTLEMAN SAY THAT BECAUSE THE IA DID THE SAME THING TO ME.
THEY SAID THEY WOULD CALL ME IN 10 DAYS AND THEY SENT ME A LETTER IN 20 DAYS SAYING, NO, INVEST, YOU KNOW, NOTHING FOUND.
THAT'S THEIR, THEIR THEIR GO-TO THING.
SO I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WILL PULL THE CAMERA IN 10 DAYS AND I CAN HAVE ACCESS TO IT.
TO THIS DAY, I STILL CANNOT GET ACCESS TO IT BECAUSE I WANT ALL THE INFORMATION FROM WHEN WE WERE CHASED WITH THE GUNS TO WHEN THEY FALSELY ARRESTED ME AND CLOWNED IN THE VEHICLES AND SAW THAT THEY HAD A STOLEN, UM, OUR TRUCK WAS WRECKED, OUR TRACTOR WAS WRECKED, AND THEY HAD A TRUCK THAT WAS ATTACHED TO IT THAT THEY HAD A GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY TO TIMES TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD ON SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.
MR. WILLIAMS. ARE YOU READY? YES, SIR.
DID, DID, DID YOUR SON WANT, WANT TO SPEAK? YOU WANNA USE THIS? UH, YES.
SO, LIKE MY MOM WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN A POLICE OFFICER FOR SIX YEARS.
I'VE BEEN SERVING A COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN AS A POLICE OFFICER, WHEN WE PUT THAT BADGE AND WE PUT THAT GUN ON, WE ARE WHAT WE ARE REPRESENTING AS WHAT THE PUBLIC CALLS A TRUST.
THEY'RE ENTRUSTING US TO COME OUT AND SET FORTH TO SOLVE ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT NORMAL DAY-TO-DAY CITIZENS CAN'T SOLVE.
AND I WOULD SAY JUST IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH DEALING WITH THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, THIS HAS BEEN BAFFLING.
AND I KID YOU NOT BAFFLING THE WAY INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN TREATED AND THE WAY THINGS HAVE BEEN HANDLED.
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T TAKE HARD TO PULL YOUR PHONE OUT IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND CIVIL LAW TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
LET ME FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS.
HEY, IT DOESN'T TAKE HARD TO PLUS YOUR PHONE WITH APPS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT A CRIMINAL TRESPASS IS AND TO REALIZE THAT THE DEFENSIVE PROSECUTION IS, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THERE, IT'S JUST LIKE A HOME.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN PROCESSES TO GET THOSE CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS MOVED OUT OF THERE.
IT'S NOT HARD IN TODAY'S TIMES TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS JOB DIGITALLY.
I FEEL THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STAND UP TO TAKE THIS OATH, YOU KNOW, THEY VIOLATED MY MOM'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
THEY VIOLATED HER CIVIL RIGHTS, YOU KNOW, AND NOT ONLY THEY VIOLATED THEIR ETHICS, THE GENTLEMAN EARLIER WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CODE OF ETHICS.
ALMOST ANY ACADEMY AROUND THE US IS GONNA REQUIRE, IS GONNA RECITE THE CODE ETHICS.
IT STATES AS, AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, MY FUNDAMENTAL DUTY IS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY, SAFEGUARD LIVES AND PROPERTY, PROTECT THE INNOCENT AGAINST DECEPTION, THE WEAK AGAINST OPPRESSION OR INTIMIDATION, AND THE PEACEFUL AGAINST VIOLENCE OR DISORDER.
AND TO RESPECT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF ALL MEN TO LIBERTY, EQUALITY, AND JUSTICE.
I RECOGNIZE THAT BADGE OF MY OFFICE AS A SYMBOL OF PUBLIC FAITH, AND I ACCEPT IT AS A PUBLIC TRUST TO BE HELD.
AS LONG AS I'M TRUE TO THE ETHICS OF POLICE SERVICE, I WILL CONSTANTLY STRIVE TO ACHIEVE THESE OBJECTIVES AND IDEAS DEDICATED MYSELF BEFORE GOD TO MY CHOSEN PROFESSION.
LAW ENFORCEMENT, IN MY EXPERIENCE WITH DALLAS, THEY WEREN'T SAFEGUARDING LIVES AND PROPERTY.
YOU KNOW, THEY, AGAIN, THEY WERE THE ONES CAUSING THEIR OPPRESSION, INTIMIDATION, AND THEY WEREN'T KEEPING VIOLENCE AND DISORDER AWAY.
AND THEN WITH DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, I HAVE LOST PUBLIC FAITH WITH THESE GUYS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS BASIC SIMPLE STUFF THAT THEY'VE TURNED A MOUNTAIN INTO A MOLE HILL.
AND I JUST, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SAD THAT INDIVIDUALS, EVEN MYSELF AS A POLICE OFFICER, THAT I HAVE TO COME HERE AND, AND SPEAK BEFORE A BOARD BEHIND STUFF LIKE THIS.
BUT THANK YOU GUYS FOR VERY ME OUT.
UH, MR. MR. WILLIAMS. NOW YOU'RE UP.
CHAIRMAN AND BOARD? YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE READY.
GOOD EVENING, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M KEVIN WILLIAMS, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR FOR OFFICE OF COMMITTEE POLICE OVERSIGHT.
I BRING FORTH TO YOU, UM, MR. AND MR. MRS. JEFFERSON, AND, UM, MR. JEFFERSON'S CASE IS COMBINED.
UM, WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL, I'LL READ THE, THE CASE, UH, SUMMARIES AND THE COMPLAINTS ARISE FROM SIX SPECIFIC CONCERNS REGARDING THE INCIDENT.
SO, UM, MS. KIMBERLY JEFFERSON SYNOPSIS OF HER COMPLAINT IS COMPLAINT ALLEGED.
THE OFFICER WERE UNPROFESSIONAL.
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ALSO, THE DETECTIVE DID NOT RESPOND TO THEIR CALLS.I'M AN HONEST CITIZEN IN HANDICAP I'VE LOT.
I'VE COMPLETED TRUST IN THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM THE LACK OF WHAT THEY HAVE NOT DONE.
WE'VE BEEN VICTIMIZED AND REVICTIMIZED BY DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, INCLUDING UP TO PHYSICALLY LY.
I WILL READ THE ON THE COMPLAINANT'S SIX, UM, CONCERNS, CONCERN NUMBER ONE BY COMPLAINANT KIMBERLY JEFFERSON, PROFESSIONALISM THAT ALL OFFICERS ON THE SCENE, INCLUDING THE SERGEANT DISPLAY TWO D P D, FAILURE TO INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBLE STOLEN PROPERTY.
THREE D P D HELP TO AID AND ABIDE A CIVIL MATTER.
FOUR D P D VIOLATED MY FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
FIVE USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE IN HANDCUFFS AND POSITIONING OF ARMS WITH SIX CRUELTY AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT.
CASE B WOULD BE MR. T JEFFERSON, HER SON.
THE SYNOPSIS OF HIS COMPLAINT IS A CITIZEN, EVEN A COP, AND BAFFLED AT THE WAY THE AGENCY COULD NOT, COULD TREAT SOMEONE.
AND JUST THE SURE LACK OF INVESTIGATION IN THE WAY THEY WERE TREATED LIKE CRIMINALS WHO DID, WHO DID NO WRONG.
AS A COP MYSELF, I'VE NEVER IMAGINED TRYING TO GET DOWN TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OR TALKING OR TREATING ANYONE IN THE MANNER THAT THEY DID US.
IT'S CLEARLY THE PLACE AS A TRACK RECORD OF THIS AND THEIR COMPLAINTS ON REVIEW THAT D P D HAS DONE.
MR. JEFFERSON'S COMPLAINT AND CONCERNS ARE, MY FIRST COMPLAINT IS I FEEL THAT THERE WAS NO TRUE INVESTIGATION INTO THE ORDER OF WHAT HAD OCCURRED.
AND THE SERGEANT FAILED TO PRESENT, PREVENT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEFT MY TRAILER, AND FAILED TO INVESTIGATE INTO THE UNAUTHORIZED USE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE AND THE FAILING TO LOOK INTO A POSSIBLE STOLEN TRAILER THAT WAS CONNECTED TO MY TRACTOR.
ALSO NOT WILLING OR EVEN TAKING SERIOUSLY THE ACCOUNT OF A CRIMINAL ATTEMPT ASSAULT THE DEADLY WEAPON, THE, THE TRACTOR TRIED TO STRIKE US WITH.
BASICALLY THEY TRIED TO STRIKE HIM WITH A TRACTOR.
MY SECOND COMPLAINT IS UNPROFESSIONAL.
I EXPERIENCED WITH SERGEANT FROM HIM FAILING TO LISTEN AND TO CONTINUE TO SHUT ME DOWN DURING MY STORY BECAUSE I WASN'T HIS FOCUS.
INSTEAD OF WAITING TO GET THE INFO THAT IS NEEDED AFTER I HAVE TWO VIDEOS I'M GONNA PLAY HERE.
THE FIRST ONE HAS MS. JEFFERSON IN IT AND ALSO MR. JEFFERSON, AND IT'S THE OFFICER'S INTERACTION.
AND THEY COME TO THE SCENE JUST A SECOND HERE, TO ONE OF MY TRUCKS THAT I HAD THAT WE BOUGHT FROM FLORIDA.
THAT AND TRACTOR, THEY NEVER ANYTHING AND SO DECIDED BECAUSE HE WANTED TO, RIGHT THEN THE OTHER GUY CALLED US WHILE HIS DAD DYING FEW WEEKS AGO AND, UM, ASKED HIM FOR MORE MONEY AND GONNA GET OUR TRUCK.
UM, WE DIDN'T GET OUR TRUCK MONEY.
SO THE OWNER TODAY, UM, WE DIDN'T SEE A RIGHT.
THE OWNER SAID HE WOULD BUY THE TRUCK FROM US BECAUSE THE ENGINE IS SOME TYPE OF ENGINE THAT EVERYBODY WAS WANTED.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TRUCK ENGINE.
AND UM, SO HE SAID HE WOULD BUY IT FROM US.
MEANWHILE, WHILE HE, HE SAID THAT HE ALREADY SOLD THE CUSTOMER, GIMME MY MONEY.
SO I'VE BEEN WAITING ON MY MONEY FOR A MONTH, A LITTLE OVER A MONTH.
HE DONE GAVE ME HOT CHECKS, HE DONE GAVE ME WIRES THAT HE GO THROUGH
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AND HE KEPT TRYING TO UM, YOU KNOW, CALL ME OUT.BUT COME TO FIND OUT IT'S GONNA ILLEGAL STUFF GOING ON WITH SOME METAL OR SOMETHING.
I DUNNO, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TOLD BY THE OTHER GUY AND THAT THEY GONNA SWITCH THE NAME OVER OR SOMETHING ELSE SO YOU WON'T BE THE OWNER ANYMORE.
SO MEANWHILE, THEY, MY TRUCK, THE LEFT SIDE OF IT, THEY GOT, THAT'S ATTACHED TO IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE MY SON DIDN'T RIGHT ABOUT IT, THAT WHAT THEY SUPPOSED TO HAVE PAID FOR DID NOT COME THROUGH AND THAT IT WAS JUST WEIRD.
AND SO MY SON SAID, LET'S TAKE KEYS TRAILERS THERE AND THE TRUCK UNIT IS THERE BECAUSE IF THE TRAILER'S NOT THERE, THAT'S, THEY STOLE THE TRAILER.
AND THEN WE SAW SOMEBODY DRIVING OUR TRUCK THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BEEN DRIVING YESTERDAY.
SO WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
SO WE WERE GONNA FILE CHARGES ON THAT BECAUSE WE SAW IT WAS WRECK AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN IT GOT WRECKED.
AND SO THEY BEEN USING THAT WHAT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT THEY WRECK MY TRUCK ON INSIDE AND THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE DRIVE.
WHAT'S THE ADDRESS THAT IT'S AT TT T N S TRUCKING OFF OF.
I DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THAT SOUTH.
SO YOU DROVE OVER THERE AND THEN CELL, WHAT HAPPENED? UM, WHEN WE DROVE OVER THAT THE TRAILER WAS THERE.
AND TRUCK, THE TRUCK WAS HERE BUT ANOTHER TRAILER LOCKED ROOF.
AND THEN WE SAID THEY RUNNING THIS, DRIVING THIS TRAILER RUNS SHE FOR SOMETHING.
THEN THE OWNER COME BACK THERE TO MY, UM, WELL YOUR MAMA SAID SHE'S GONNA HAVE A, UM, MONEY AND THE MONEY YOUR MAMA SAID SHE UM, UH, JUST WANTED THE KEYS AND SHE HERSELF, I SAID, NO, I FILE CHARGES Y'ALL PERMISSION.
Y'ALL, Y'ALL DONE ALL HER STUFF, NOW YOU GOT SOMEBODY ELSE'S TRACTOR.
I SAID, WHEN HE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE OPERATOR, I SAID, YOU NEED TO CALL AND TELL THEM TO GET SOMEBODY OUT HERE BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY GOT GUNS UP IN THAT OFFICE BECAUSE I HEARD THEM SAY THAT THEY DONE HAD TWO HITS WHERE THEY DONE CAME IN HERE WITH MULTIPLE PEOPLE WITH GUNS.
I AIN'T SAYING Y'ALL DON'T WORK.
AND SO ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ONE GUY CAME BACK DOWN, SAID, NO, YOU'RE NOT GONNA MOVE MY TRUCK, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET IN IT.
NOBODY'S GONNA DRIVE DOWN, DOWN NO DAMAGE.
SO THEN AFTER HE LEAVES, HE GO BACK, THEN WE SEE THREE CARS DRIVING UP, LIKE DIFFERENT, COMING UP STRAIGHT AND ANOTHER DIRECTION.
LIKE THEY TRYING TO BLOCK US IN AS SOON AS MY SON SHOT, I SAYRE LOOK AT THAT.
AND THEN THE OWNER WAS STANDING RIGHT THERE.
HE SAID, MOM, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS.
AND THEN HE GETS IN THAT LITTLE FOUR WHEELER THING.
ALL OF THEM STARTS CHASING US.
I MEAN THEY, THEY LITERALLY CHASING US OUT OF THE, IN, DOWN THE STREET.
I DIDN'T SEE, I COULDN'T SEE NO GUNS BECAUSE IT WAS DARK.
THEY AIN'T CHASING ME BECAUSE THEY GOING TO HAVE OKAY.
SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY TOGETHER? IT WAS, IT WAS THREE CARS.
ONE TRACTOR TRAILER THAT'S LIKE NOT A FULL TRACTOR TRAILER.
AND THEN THAT LITTLE FOUR WHEELER FENCE.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE OWNER WAS STRIP.
DO YOU KNOW HIS NAME? YEAH, HIS NAME IS TOBY.
TOBY WHAT? UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HIS LAST NAME.
MY SON IS THE ONE A PARKING LAST YEAR OVER THERE.
HOW LONG HAVE Y'ALL BEEN DOING BUSINESS ON PARKING? WE'VE BEEN PARKING SINCE PROBABLY JULY OF LAST YEAR.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE OWNER TRIED TO WORK WITH ME BECAUSE EVIDENTLY SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH SOME METAL OR SOMETHING.
I, I SAID, WELL THE GUY TOLD ME, CALLED ME AND TOLD ME HE, HE'S TRYING TO GET MORE OUT OF MONEY OUT OF US TRUCK.
HE SAID, BECAUSE YOU RUNNING METAL ILLEGAL OR, UH, SO COUNTER STUFF.
I, I'M JUST TELLING WHAT THEY TOLD ME.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST STILL GET YOUR TRUCK FIXED.
COULD YOU SEND ME 2 78? I TOLD ALREADY GOT CASH ALMOST.
WHAT TYPE OF VEHICLES WERE I GOT TWO VEHICLES.
I GOT THE CARS THAT WERE CHASE SAY THERE WAS THREE OF THEM.
WERE THEY LIKE, WERE THEY LIKE FOUR DOORS? TWO DOORS? ALL I KNOW IS ONE WAS WHITE AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT TYPE.
ALL I KNOW IS THAT THAT AND THAT'S COMING TO US.
BARELY MADE IT UP THE GATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WOULD'VE DONE TO US LATER.
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A TELEPHONE NUMBER THERE, HUH? DAMN.TELEPHONE NUMBER TOBY? YEAH, I GOT HIS NUMBER.
DO YOU STILL HAVE MY PHONE? YOU HAVE YOUR ID ON? GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE SIR.
WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PHONE NUMBER? MY PHONE NUMBER IS (972) 901-2727.
TOBY'S PHONE NUMBER IN YOUR PHONE? I TOLD MY SON WHEN WE FIRST CAME HERE, I SAID REX, I SAID, CAN YOU MAKE SURE THE POLICE LEAVE US HERE BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN UP THIS TIME, HE HAVEN'T TO CHECK ON TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE TRUCK BECAUSE THEY KEPT LYING AND THEY HAD PEOPLE COME UP AND THERE WITH GUNS.
THEY HAVE GUNS UNDER THE COUNTY.
THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE, THEY HAVE KIND GUNS THEY LIKE.
NO, THAT THE
AND SO WHEN THEY ALL CAME UP ON US LIKE THAT, THAT SCARED ME BECAUSE I KNEW THEY WAS GONNA DO SOMETHING AND THE LADY ON THE PHONE ASKED MY SON, WELL, DO YOU WANT ME TO RUN A CODE? I SAID, YES, REG, PLEASE, PLEASE.
HE SAID, BUT NO, I DON'T WANT TO ESCALATE AND THIS NOTHING.
I SAID, REG, I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW.
IT WASN'T EVEN FIVE MINUTES WHEN THEY CAME, I KNEW IT SHOULDN'T HAPPENED.
I KNEW HE WAS GONNA DO IT BECAUSE HE WAS MAD AT ME BECAUSE I CALLED 9 1 1 BECAUSE THE WAY HE WAS WALKING UP ON MY SON AND MY SON, A POLICE OFFICER.
THAT MEANS YOU, BOB THE OWNER.
YOU HAD NO RESPECT FOR HIS BADGE AND HIS AUTHORITY AFFECT MINE.
SO WHY WOULD YOU CARE ABOUT EITHER ONE OF THEM? I'M, I'M JUST, I'M SCARED Y'ALL.
MY SON FOUND THAT PARKING AND HE'S THE ONE THAT TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE I BOUGHT THE TRUCKS FOR HIM OUT OF FLORIDA.
WE HAD BOUGHT A FLEET OF TRUCKS OUT OF FLORIDA AND I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THEM WHEN WE GOT TO FLORIDA AND THIS WOULD GO CRAZY.
THEY STOLE THE PARTS OFF OF ALL THE TRUCKS AND I SEEN US SPENDING OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO SAVE A FEW OF THEM.
THEN I TURNED AROUND, I THINK IT'S AT A STATE PARKING PLACE AND THEY DOING SHADY STUFF OUT OF THERE.
IT AIN'T MY BUSINESS, BUT Y'ALL FIGURE IT OUT.
I MEAN, HOW LONG HAS BEEN MY SON KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW BUSINESS LAST, LAST YEAR AROUND JULY.
BUT YOU SAID YOU GO LIKE, I WENT TO GO CHECK BECAUSE THEY KEPT LYING TO THE GUY WHO TAKE THE MONEY FROM ME VIA CASH APP.
NO, THIS IS ANOTHER GUY THAT'S UP THERE THAT'S DOING THE SAME THING.
AND UM, THE OWNER IS TOBY AND THEN THE OTHER GUY.
AND HE WAS DOING FILES STUFF TOO.
UM, BEFORE HE REALIZED BACK HE WAS HANDED IT OUTTA COUNTER AND I TOLD HIM I WANT MY KEYS IN LIKE THEY WORKED FOR.
AND I'M JUST LIKE, I JUST, I'M SORRY.
I GUESS YOU SAID THE VEHICLE, RIGHT? YEAH, WE WERE GONNA AND WE WOULD STAY IN THE PARK.
SO IT WAS, THAT'S JUST LIKE A STORAGE PLACE FOR, FOR VEHICLES AND THEY ALSO DO
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MAINTENANCE ON THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.IS THE TRUCK IN YOUR NAME OR IS IT IN YOUR SON'S NAME? IT'S IN MY NAME.
BUT YOUR SON WAS DOING MOST OF THE DEALING IN THE BUSINESS WITH TOBY? YEAH, BECAUSE HE'S THE ONE THAT HAS THE G D L AND HE'S THE ONE MOVING COMPANY.
IT WAS, BUT I JUST BOUGHT HIM BECAUSE KNOW 'CAUSE I HAD TO WIRE MONEY TO FLORIDA BEFORE WE DROVE TO GET HIM.
AND THEN WHEN WE GOT THERE, THAT'S WHEN WE FOUND OUT AND HE JUST TEXTED ME, YEAH, IT HAS A CAT.
Y'ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? MM-HMM.
SO WE HAD, IT'S A DIESEL, A TURBO DIESEL IN.
AND SO EVIDENTLY THEY'RE PRETTY POPULAR AND SO WE DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE DID GET IT WRONG.
THEN WHEN THEY FOUND OUT WE HAD THE RIGHT ONE, WE WAS SELLING IT TO CHEAP.
I WAS GONNA BANK BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WITH 'EM 25 YEARS.
I HAVE A PRIVATE BANKER AND SHE SAID NO, NOTHING.
AND YOU HAVE ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS WITH YOU? I HAVE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE THE ONE FROM TODAY.
WE WENT UP THERE TODAY AND THE, AND THE MANAGER THAT GAVE ME A CALL TODAY, CHAIRMAN, I PLAY THE SECOND VIDEO.
UM, ALSO IS THE CONTACT OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT AND UM, COMPLAINANTS SECOND.
SO WE GOT A CASE NUMBER PROVIDED CASE NUMBER PEOPLE CAPTAIN, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A CASE NUMBER.
YOU GUYS HAD A CIVIL MATTER GOING ON, RIGHT? THEY TOLD US THEY WIRED YOU MONEY.
YOU TOLD US THEY WERE WORKING ON YOUR VEHICLE, RIGHT? YES SIR.
SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS ON THE, ON THE SERVICES EXACTLY.
BUT THEY HAVE PERMISSION TO HAVE HAVE IT OVER THERE NOW IF THEY HAVE DAMAGE TO IT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA FILE WHATEVER LAWSUIT OR WHATEVER YOU GOT WITH IT.
ALL YOU GUYS HAVE IS SILVER TRAILER.
YOUR TRAILER WAS WITH THAT TRUCK, RIGHT? THE TRAILER'S NOT WITH THE TRUCK.
JUST, JUST NOW I SPOKE DO YOU HAVE A VIN NUMBER FOR THAT TRAILER? I HAVE IT.
SO WE'LL TAKE, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT TRAILER.
WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THIS.
SO WHEN I'M OUT THERE MEETING, I CALLED, I CALLED YOU GUYS FOR, YOU GOT THERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO YOU GUYS OUT THERE.
I GUESS YOU GUYS, BECAUSE YOU GOT ONE IN THE OTHER HAND.
THE WHOLE THING IS YOU HAVE PROPERTY OVER THERE SERVICES.
RIGHT? IT'S NOT THE ONE YOUR WAY ON RETAIN THIS HERE.
UM, TO GO THERE AND PULL YOUR PHONE MIGHT NOT BE.
WELL I WAS HEADED, I HEADING TO WORK.
I TOLD MY MOM WHEN SHE, WHEN SHE, SHE WAS FOUND ON PHONE AND SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT MS. LEWIS, I DON'T TRUCK UP THERE AND I SAID LET'S SEAT THE TRUCK WAS UP THERE.
I HAD NO INTENTIONS TO MAKE CONTACT.
WE WENT UP THERE TO GO MAKE SURE STUFF WAS UP THERE AND WHEN WE WENT IT WAS NOT, THAT'S WHY WE CALLED 9 1 1.
SO IF YOU GO BACK TO RECORDING AND SAY, HEY, I'M OVER HERE.
SO LEMME SAY I'M JUST GIVING ADVICE.
SO LET'S SAY Y'ALL HAVE A DISPUTE ORDER WITH HAVE SERVICES.
GOING IT'S OKAY TO COME BY HERE AND WE YOU DON'T WANT.
RIGHT, BUT WELL I DIDN'T, I I DIDN'T.
SO I WAS LOOKING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS UP THERE BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T UP THERE, I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE PEOPLE'S TIME.
'CAUSE HEY, THE TRUCK'S HERE, THERE WAS PROBLEM.
AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT HERE THEN WE'LL CALL.
BECAUSE SHE COULD ASK BECAUSE SHE SAID WE SHOULD CALL YOU DON'T CIVIL STANDBY.
SEE, CERTAIN AGENCIES ARE HIT OR MISS WITH THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE SAY, HEY, WE WON'T DO A CIVIL STANDBY.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HIT OR MISS GOING FROM H AND I KNOW D P D I WORK, YOU GUYS ARE BLASTING WITH CALLS I USED TO SEE WHEN I USED JUDGE GUYS, Y'ALL SCREAM, PEOPLE TRUST STUFF IN CALLS.
THEY'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A CASE NUMBER AND SERGEANT JONES REST.
SO YOU'RE GIVEN A CASE NUMBER ALREADY, SIR? YES, SIR.
WHAT WE GOING DO ALSO, UH, POLICE REPORT AT THIS PLACE? THEY SAY IS IT A CHOP SHOP? IS IT A PLACE THAT THEY STEAL PEOPLE'S STUFF? WHAT THEY DO UP THERE? NO, I'M ASKING, I'M ASKING YOU.
I'M SAYING WE, TO OUR KNOWLEDGE WE THOUGHT IT WAS JUST
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MY QUESTION TO YOU, 'CAUSE YOU SAID THEY DO, UH, BUSINESS UP THERE, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT LEGAL.THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IN THE PARKING LOT.
SOMEBODY WAS SAYING THAT THEY DO.
OKAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL DON'T SWEAT THAT.
NOW ARE THEY SKETCHES SUSPICIOUS? DID THEY, AFTER WE STARTED DOING
I, I WAS PARKING MY TRUCK TO, WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THE, WITH THE MISSING TRAILER, LIKE I SAID, UH, PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION.
BUT I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY VALID PROOF OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, SO FROM UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN YOU ALL THE MONIES AND ALL THAT, THAT IS ALL CIVIL MATTER.
THE MONIES WHERE IT COME, THE MONIES, LIKE MY LIEUTENANT WAS SAYING, IT'S ALL CIVIL MATTER AND WE DON'T GET INVOLVED IN CIVIL MATTER.
UM, THE GENTLEMAN ALSO TOLD THE OFFICER THERE THAT LOCATION THAT HE WIRED YOUR MOM OR DID YOUR MOM WENT TO THE BANK WITH HIM? CAN I, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION, SERGEANT? LEMME FINISH JUST ONE SECOND.
DOES YOUR MOM WENT TO THE BANK WITH HIM TO GET A $12,000 TO GET, HE WENT TO THE BANK WITH YOUR MOM TODAY? YES, SIR.
THAT'S ALSO, THAT'S, THAT'S HE'S ALSO INTEGRATION.
THEY SAW CIVIL AND THAT'S WHAT I'M POINTING OUT TO YOU.
AND THE, I ALSO WANNA ADDRESS THAT THE, YOU SAID THE PEOPLE WERE FOLLOWING YOU, THE MAN AT THE LOCATION, HE STATED THAT THE PEOPLE WERE LEAVING OUT THE LOCATION AND THEY WERE IN A 18 WHEELER.
AND THAT I PROBABLY GAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT SOMEBODY WAS FOLLOWING THEM.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT YOU'RE LYING, I'M JUST, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW FOLLOW UP BECAUSE YOUR MOTHER WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SIR, I, I, I, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S EVEN, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE IF I DIDN'T GENUINELY FEEL LIKE I WAS, I WOULD'VE NEVER LEFT LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU GAVE ANOTHER CALL WHEN THE NINE ONE ONE SAID, HEY, YOU NEED GUYS, YOU NEED AN ASSIST.
I SAID, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S
SO THAT'S, THAT'S, SO THEY SAID THE PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, THEY'RE LEAVING THE LOCATION.
SO THE OFFICERS THERE, THEY'RE GONNA COME TOGETHER WITH WHAT THEY HAVE UP THERE AND WHAT WE HAVE HERE, AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A REPORT.
AND REPORT WILL BE ON THIS NUMBER.
YOUR VIN NUMBER, YOU GAVE IT TO OFFICER FILE AFTER THE FILE IS GONNA MAKE THAT, MAKE THAT REPORT.
SO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT I SAID WAS A CIVIL MATTER? YES SIR.
SO, AND I, AND I'LL USE THIS AS AN EXAMPLE.
SO YOU'RE BUYING A CAR, RIGHT? SOMEBODY MADE AGREEMENT TO BUY A CAR AND THEN PURCHASE DOESN TO GO THROUGH, BUT THEN THEY END UP TAKING THE CAR.
THAT'S STILL A CIVIL MATTER IF THE CAR IS GONE, THE TRIP.
WHAT YOU MEAN? HOW'D THEY TAKE THE CAR? SO SAY LIKE, SO THEY, DID YOU GIVE 'EM THE KEYS? THEY GOT, DID YOU GIVE THEM, DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? IF THEY HAD THE KEYS TO WHAT? DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? I I UNDERSTAND SIR.
NO, NO, I WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY IT TO ME NOW, SIR.
DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? THEY HAVE THE KEYS, SIR.
NO, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON.
THAT ONE LITTLE WORD THAT I'M SAYING TO YOU.
YOU'RE SAYING THEY HAVE THE KEYS AND I'M SAYING TO YOU, DID YOU GIVE THEM THE KEYS? THAT IS A YES OR THAT IS A NO.
SO IF I GO TO A CAR DEALERSHIP AND THEY GIMME THE KEYS TO TEST RIDE A VEHICLE AND YOU LOOK AT A VEHICLE, IS THAT, IS THAT STEALING A VEHICLE? SIR, HOLD ON FOR JUST A SECOND.
I'M GONNA ASK YOU ONE MORE TIME.
THAT'S ALL I WANT TO HEAR YOU SAY.
BUT CAN I ASK YOU QUESTION WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEONE THE KEY NOW MY TURN.
WHEN YOU GIVE SOMEONE THE KEYS, YOU HAVE NOW YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM PEER CUSTODY AND CONTROL OF YOUR VEHICLE.
NOW, NOW IN THREE DAYS YOU HAVE NOT RETURNED IT.
YOU CAN DO A UH, WHAT'S THE, THE LONGEST TICKET, SIR? THREE DAYS.
YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN SEND 'EM A LETTER, A NOTICE LETTER FOR THEM TO RETURN YOUR KEYS.
OKAY? BUT IT'S NOT A THEFT ONCE YOU GET THROUGH YOUR CUSTODY AND CONTROL OF YOUR VEHICLE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I GOT YOU SIR.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO? NO, THAT'S A SIMPLE MATTER.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE, IS HE SAYING IN A SILVER MAIL THAT THEY STOLE MY TRUCK? SO I JUST, YOU KNOW, A LAWYER'S ALL I'M ASKING YES, THAT'S WHAT WE GOT.
THAT'S SO UNFORTUNATELY, SORRY IT DIDN'T WORK OUT WAY YOU GUYS WANTED TO.
UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
AND LIKE I SAID, MY LIEUTENANT SAID WE DO CIVIL STANDBY.
DO ANYBODY IN THE AREA AGAIN? IT'S IN HENRY.
WE'RE DALLAS, PLEASE STOP BY POLICE STATION.
ASK US TO DO A CIVIL, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION BECAUSE YES, SIR.
SO, YOU KNOW, WITH CIVIL STANDBYS, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY I CALL FIRST IS NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF DALLAS, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE BUSY.
OKAY? ESPECIALLY SO YOU GUYS GENUINELY DO CIVIL, IT'S, IT'S A PRIORITY.
IF IT DEPENDS ON THE, IF WE HAVE, YOU NEED SOMETHING DONE.
LET'S SAY YOU COME TO THE STATION AND SAY, HEY OFFICERS, I'M GOING TO SUCH AND SUCH A PLACE.
MY NAME IS THIS, THIS IS MY BADGE NUMBER, THIS IS THIS.
TRUST ME, WE WILL MAKE, WE WILL, IF YOU'RE AN OFFICER, WE DO OUR BEST TO HELP.
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YES SIR.UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? SO DON'T GET YOURSELF CAUGHT UP IN SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO BE CAUGHT UP THAT THAT WASN'T THE PLAN.
THAT'S, I'M ANYTHING, I'M, I'M, I'M VERY ALWAYS USED OF MY P THAT YOU CAN ME SPEAK.
MY CAPTAIN, MY CABINET DEPARTMENT SAY YOU HIGHLY GOOD THINGS ABOUT ME.
I KEEP KEEP MY HAND ON MY SHOULDERS.
I COME IN, I HAVE MY BUSINESS IN MY DAY TO DAY LIFE, I RUN BUSINESS ON THE SIDE OF MY MOM.
WE'RE TRYING TO, WE'RE TRYING TO GET HONEST PEOPLE THAT REALLY THE MOST PEOPLE, YEAH.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST REGULAR PEOPLE.
SORRY, THAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH.
I'M REALLY, I'M, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO A DEAL WITH MONEY AND TRANSACTIONS, IT'S JUST BUSINESS AND PEOPLE WILL BEAT YOU OUT THE MONEY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY I UNDERSTAND, SIR, BACK, BACK TO YOU, CHAIRMAN FOR YOUR VOTE.
ALRIGHT, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR, UM, MR. MR. WILLIAMS? UH, YEAH, ALAN MARSHALL.
DISTRICT 10 IS, UH, UH, UH, MR. WILLIAMS, IS THERE ANY VIDEO FROM, UH, WHEN SHE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY? 'CAUSE THAT, THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE A, A VERY RELEVANT PORTION OF THIS SITUATION, UH, OF WHEN THE, BECAUSE SO FAR EVERYTHING WE'VE SEEN IS, IS A FAIRLY CALM, RATIONAL CONVERSATION.
UH, BUT SHE WAS TAKEN INTO CUSTODY.
AND SOMETHING THAT APPEARS TO BE A VERY, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STORY WE'VE HEARD IS A, IN A VERY AGGRESSIVE MANNER AND PUT IN A SITUATION THAT WAS EXTRAORDINARILY UNCOMFORTABLE.
IF AN OFFICER IS TAKING SOMEBODY INTO CUSTODY, I WOULD IMAGINE THEIR BODY-WORN CAMERA IS ON.
IS THAT NOT AVAILABLE? SIR? SIR, WHEN SHE, WHEN UM, WHEN COMPLAINT ON KIMBERLY JEFFERSON MENTIONS THAT SHE WAS HANDCUFFED AND PUT IN THE CAR THAT HAPPENED IN MARCH.
THIS, THIS IS THE INCIDENT ON FEBRUARY 7TH.
SO THE INCIDENT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, UM, ACCORDING TO HER, HAPPENED TO IN MARCH.
SO THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT INSTANCES FROM WHAT I HAVE.
UM, MS. LARARIA, UM, WE RESEARCH HIGH AND LOW FOR ANY VIDEO OF HER BEING ARRESTED, UM, OR DETAINED.
AND IN TALKING TO MS. JEFFERSON ON, UM, FRIDAY, I BELIEVE WAS WITHIN THE LAST TWO DAYS, UM, SHE MENTIONED THAT THAT HAPPENED AT ANOTHER, UH, TIME.
SO SOMEWHERE IN MARCH THIS, UM, HANDCUFF WAS, UM, HANDCUFFING, UM, TRAUMATIZATION HAPPENED.
IT HAD HAPPENED DURING, FROM THE 7TH OF FEBRUARY.
WE HAVE NO INFORMATION ON THAT.
BUT, BUT MR. WILLIAMS, IN THE COMPLAINT THAT YOU PROVIDED, THE COMPLAINT RAISES SIX SPECIFIC CONCERNS REGARDING THE INCIDENT.
NUMBER FIVE, USE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE OF HANDCUFFS AND POSITIONING OF ARMS. YES, SIR.
THERE, THERE ARE NO VIDEOS ON THIS PARTICULAR COMPLAINT, SIR, THAT HAPPENED A WHOLE NOTHER DAY.
WHAT I, WHAT I BELIEVE HAS HAPPENED IS THAT THOSE TWO INCIDENTS WERE MIXED BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY ON CAMERA FROM FEBRUARY 7TH SHOWING HER BEING ARRESTED.
AND WHEN SPEAKING TO MS. JEFFERSON, SHE MENTIONED THAT THAT HAPPENED IN MARCH.
I THINK THE, ANY QUESTION ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION, I WOULD ASK THE BOARD TO DIRECT THEM FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS.
WHEN WE BRING YOU ITEMS FOR, UH, CONSIDERATION, ALL WE LITERALLY DO IS PACKAGE THEM UP.
AND THIS IS WHAT MS. JEFFERSON WROTE.
THESE WERE NOT OUR CONCLUSIONS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIX THAT SHE SAID, THE THREE THAT THESE WERE, WE LITERALLY CUT AND PASTE FROM THEIR COMPLAINTS AND WE PACKAGED THEM UP.
SO WE CANNOT VERIFY WHETHER THERE'S VIDEO TAPE, THESE, ALL THOSE QUESTIONS SHOULD REALLY BE DIRECTED TOWARDS INTERNAL AFFAIRS IN TERMS OF WHAT VIDEO FOOTAGE IS AVAILABLE OR NOT AVAILABLE.
BUT, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, YOU'RE SEEING THAT THIS IS NOT A PART OF THE COMPLAINT, BUT IT'S LISTED HERE AS A PART OF THE COMPLAINT.
AND, BUT MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THAT EVERY COMPLAINANT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU ALL FILLS OUT A REVIEW FORM ON HER REVIEW FORM.
SO ALL WE DID WAS CUT AND PASTE THEM.
SO THIS IS NOT THE OFFICE SAYING ANYTHING.
THAT'S WHY I ALSO INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT FORM.
WHEN MR. JEFF, WHEN MS. JEFFERSON WROTE HER COMPLAINT, IF YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL FORM, SHE LISTED THOSE.
AND SO ALL WE DID WAS TYPE WHAT HER CONCERNS WERE SO THAT THE BOARD UNDERSTOOD WHY SHE WAS NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION.
BECAUSE WHEN ANYBODY COMES INTO US, I ALWAYS SAY, DON'T REITERATE THE COMPLAINT, PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHY YOU ARE NOT HAPPY.
SO THESE WERE THE SIX REASONS WHY SHE LISTED THAT SHE WAS NOT HAPPY
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WITH THE INVESTIGATION.REMIND ME, WE POSTPONED THIS FROM THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE WE WERE WAITING TO GET BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE FOR THIS ENTIRE INCIDENT.
IT WOULD SEEM PERTINENT IF WE'RE ASKING FOR BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE OF AN INCIDENT.
AND THIS WOULD BE A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE COMPLAINT.
AND WE'VE WAITED A MONTH IN ORDER TO GET THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE THAT WE WOULD'VE ASKED FOR THIS PORTION OF THE COMPLAINT.
IT'S ALL ONE, IT'S MULTIPLE INCIDENTS, BUT IT'S PART OF THE SAME COMPLAINT, WHICH IS A FAIRLY SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE COMPLAINT.
SO IF WE WAITED A MONTH TO GET BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, WHY DON'T WE HAVE ALL OF IT THAT'S RELEVANT TO THE ENTIRE INCIDENT? SO AS MR. WILLIAMS STATED, WE HAD THE SAME QUESTION.
WE WATCHED ALL OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE RELATED TO THIS INCIDENT.
WHEN WE COULDN'T FIND IT, I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE I WAS LIKE, WELL, THERE'S GONNA BE A BODY-WORN CAMERA VIOLATION.
'CAUSE THEY DIDN'T CAPTURE ANYTHING ABOUT HER IN THE VEHICLE.
WE THEN CALLED MS. JEFFERSON AND ASKED HER MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE INCIDENT WITH THE ARREST.
AND IT WASN'T UNTIL WE MADE THAT PHONE CALL THAT WE REALIZED THAT IT WAS A SEPARATE DATE.
SO WE HAD BEEN LOOKING AT JUST THIS INCIDENT IN FEBRUARY, NOT AN INCIDENT IN MARCH, AND WE JUST LEARNED THAT INFORMATION FROM HER.
SO THE MARCH VIDEO, THE OTHER ONE IS IN EFFECT HAS JUST BEEN DISCOVERED, IS THAT CORRECT? I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT BECAUSE HER, HER COMPLAINT THAT SHE FILED WHEN INTERNAL AFFAIRS WAS ABOUT AN INCIDENT IN FEBRUARY.
SO I, SO I, THERE MAY BE SOME IN MARCH, BUT WE HAVE NOT INVESTIGATED THAT ARE, LOOK, I'M SORRY, NOT INVESTIGATED, BUT GATHERED THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU ALL.
CAN I ASK MAJOR ESE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? IS THAT FAIR AT THIS POINT? UH, GO, GO AHEAD.
MAJOR ESE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, SIR.
I, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND IN GENERAL, BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, HOW YOU WENT ABOUT IT, THE, THE DOCUMENTS I HAVE INDICATES THAT SHE FILED THE COMPLAINT ON MARCH 30TH, 2023.
AND I HAVE A LETTER FROM YOU TO HER ON APRIL 24TH, WHICH SAYS, AFTER A REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, WE WERE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
NOW WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS, WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN YOU SAY AFTER A REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, WHAT INFORMATION DID YOU REVIEW? UM, SO OUR, MY TEAM USUALLY WILL PULL THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE, UH, IF THERE'S ANY INCIDENT REPORTS RELATED ALSO.
SO WHEN YOU SAY A REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED, IT IS NOT JUST THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE COMPLAINANT, IT'S OTHER INFORMATION AS WELL? YES SIR.
DO YOU, CAN YOU GIMME AN ESTIMATE? BECAUSE FRANKLY THIS COMPLAINT, AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD OR BAD AT THIS POINT, HAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO IT.
IT'S VERY COMPLICATED FOR ME ANYWAY.
DO YOU AGREE WITH ME? YES, SIR.
IT'S NOT A STRAIGHTFORWARD ONE INCIDENT THAT TOOK FIVE MINUTES KIND OF DEAL.
DO YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATE OF HOW MUCH TIME YOUR GROUP SPENT BETWEEN MARCH 30TH AND APRIL 24TH IN THIS INVESTIGATION OR REVIEW OF THE INFORMATION PROVIDED? CAN YOU GIMME ANY KIND OF ESTIMATE? I DO.
SO ON JUST THE ONE COMPLAINT, I'M SORRY.
YEAH, THE, THE ONE THAT, YEAH, I DO NOT HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIME.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WILL HAVE TO WORK WITH MY OFFICE TO SEE HOW LONG IT TOOK THEM TO ACTUALLY OBSERVE ALL THAT VIDEO.
UM, AND TO GO THROUGH ALL THE DOCUMENTS.
I BELIEVE I HAD MORE THAN ONE INDIVIDUAL WORKING ON THAT COMPLAINT.
SO IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED, AND I, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU LOOKED AT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS SEEMS TO BE A VERY CONVOLUTED LOT OF FACTS, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS KIND OF DEAL HERE.
UM, IS WHAT MS. JEFFERSON PROVIDED PLUS THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU LOOKED AT? THERE'S PROBABLY SOME DOCUMENTATION, IF THERE WERE ANY, UM, INCIDENT REPORTS, ANY, ANY TYPE OF, ANY ENTRIES REGARDING ANY TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION THAT
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WOULD ALSO WOULD HAVE BEEN REVIEWED.CAN YOU THEN TELL ME, YOU DIDN'T SAY WE WERE UNABLE TO ESTABLISH A VIOLATION OF DEPARTMENTAL POLICIES OR PROCEDURES.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT PO POLICIES OR PROCEDURES, HOLD ON.
WHAT POLICIES OR PROCEDURES DID YOU LOOK AT TO SEE IF ANY WERE VIOLATED? WE LOOKED AT HER COMPLAINT AND THEN AS WE WERE WATCHING THE BODY-WORN CAMERA, UM, MY TEAM IS TASKED WITH REVIEWING ANY OF THAT TO SEE WHAT THEY OBSERVE.
AND IN SUMMARY, WHAT DID YOU UNDERSTAND HER COMPLAINT TO BE IN SUMMARY FASHION? CAN YOU TELL ME? UH, THERE'S GONNA BE MULTIPLE THINGS LISTED ON THE COMPLAINT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
WE JUST RECEIVED THE, UH, UM, AGENDA LAST NIGHT.
SO I WAS TRYING TO WORK ON THIS TODAY.
BUT YES, REGARDING THE COMPLAINT, I BELIEVE THERE WAS, UH, CONCERNS ON THE HANDCUFFING OF THE SITUATION AND ALSO REGARDING THE, I BELIEVE THE OUTCOME OF THE CIVIL, UH, MATTER.
AND JUST FOCUSING ON ONE THING AND THEN IT'LL BE MY LAST QUESTION.
I THINK WHEN YOU SAY THE HANDCUFFING MATTER, WHAT DID YOU LOOK AT TO MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT NO POLICIES OR PROCEDURES WERE VIOLATED? SO AGAIN, MY OFFICE WOULD HAVE REVIEWED THAT VIDEO AND MADE THE DETERMINATION WHEN THEY REVIEWED THE VIDEO.
CAN WE HAVE THAT VIDEO? UM, YEAH, I, I BELIEVE THE OFFICE ALREADY HAS THAT VIDEO.
UM, THEY'RE PROVIDED WITH THAT INFORMATION AS WE RECEIVE OUR COMPLAINTS.
UM, AND ANY VIDEO WE, WE PROVIDE, WE SHARE THAT WITH THE OFFICE WEEKLY.
I, I BELIEVE DIS THEY ALREADY HAVE.
IT'S THANK THANK YOU MAJOR ALANISE.
SO THERE THERE IS A DISCONNECT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IF I'M LOOKING AT THE CIVILIAN REVIEW FORM, IT LISTS 2 7 23 AND THREE 30 2023 AS DATES OF THE INCIDENT.
BUT IN THE SUMMARY, WE ONLY HAVE FEBRUARY.
SO WE NEED TO, TO, TO SEE THE VIDEO OF THE CONTACT, THE, UM, WHERE SHE WAS DETAINED.
I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO NEXT BOARD MEETING SO THAT WE CAN GET ALL IN WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT WE'LL GET ALL OF THE VIDEO TO REVIEW CHAIR.
I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL WE RECEIVE THE VIDEO FROM MARCH 2ND.
THE SECOND, UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY UNREADINESS? I I, I HAVE, THE ONLY UNREADINESS I HAVE IS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE EXTRAORDINARILY FRUSTRATED.
THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND TIME WE'VE TABLED THIS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, LAST TIME WE HAD TO WAIT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE BODY-WORN CAMERA VIDEO FOOTAGE.
WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FOOTAGE.
WE'VE, WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO PEOPLE IN AN ORDERLY FASHION.
SO I, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I, I FEEL BAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT WE CAN SIT HERE AND, AND WATCH.
SO I I I'M SORRY, I I JUST WANNA MAKE AN OBSERVATION THAT GOES TO THAT POINT.
WE POSTPONED IT ONCE AND NOW WE'RE GONNA POSTPONE IT AGAIN, NOT ASCRIBING ANY BLAME TO ANYBODY, BUT NOW IT'LL BE A THIRD TIME.
AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL SHOW UP THEN? I'M FRANKLY VERY CONFUSED BY ALL OF THIS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.
AND I WOULD PROBABLY VOTE NOW TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT OBJECTIVE INVESTIGATION WITHOUT LAW.
SO I JUST WONDER WHERE WE'RE GOING.
IT JUST SEEMS, IT JUST SEEMS THERE'S ENOUGH HERE TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT THIS OBJECTIVELY.
MR. CHAIRMAN? I, I, I WOULD ECHO MR. KITNER.
I, I THINK, UM, THE VIDEO'S IMPORTANT, BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD TABLE IT.
I THINK WE'VE GOT ENOUGH INFORMATION AMONG US TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO LAUNCH AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
AND THEN AS PART OF THAT INVESTIGATION, THE VIDEO CAN BE REVIEWED.
WE HAVE TO MOVE, WE HAVE TO COMPLETE THE MOTION.
WE CAN, YOU KNOW, VOTE IT UP OR DOWN SIGN AN OFFICER CAN, CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT.
UH, UH, WE DO HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FINISH THIS MOTION FIRST AND THEN, OKAY.
SO, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WHERE WE HAVE, UH, ALL ADDITIONAL VIDEO AND, AND, AND INFORMATION IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION.
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AYE.ANY OPPOSED? NAY, NAY, NAY, NAY, NAY.
I PROPOSE WE MOVE TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION.
I NEED TO CAPTURE THE MINUTES THERE.
DO DO THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME.
UH, I PROPOSE THAT WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, UH, INTO THIS CASE.
AND I SECOND, SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO DO AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION ON THIS CASE.
ANY UN READINESS? ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, WE'LL PUT IT TO A VOTE.
A AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE VOTING ON BOTH MARCH, FEBRUARY AND MARCH.
THAT'S THE INCIDENT IS BOTH RIGHT? THE ENTIRE, THE INCIDENT IN HER COMPLAINANT FROM FEBRUARY AND MARKS MR. CHAIRMAN? YES.
MAYBE I'M GETTING OLD, BUT I HAD A HARD TIME HEARING WHAT WAS IN, WHAT WAS ON THE BODY CAMERA FIT FOOTAGE IS THERE.
I MEAN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I GOT A MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR IT.
IS THERE SOME WAY THAT THAT CAN BE FIXED OR REMEDIATED? AND AGAIN, I I THINK WE JUST NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE IN FRONT OF US.
UH, WE NEED TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO HAVE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US, NOT REMOTE, NOT VIDEOS.
BECAUSE I'M WITH MS. SEINFELD, I, IT'S VERY, VERY HARD TO HEAR ANY OF THIS STUFF, SO I WON'T MAKE IT OUT.
YEAH, WELL THAT THE, THE VIDEO ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO SEE WHAT THE TECHNICAL ISSUE WAS THAT.
'CAUSE WHEN I WATCHED THE VIDEO AT HOME, I WAS ABLE TO HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON.
BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT'S TERRIBLE.
SO CHAIRMAN MR. JEFFERSON HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET OUR ATTENTION TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, THERE, THERE WAS ALSO MULTIPLE OTHER OFFENSE OFFICERS THERE.
THEY'RE USING SPECIFIC BODY CAMERAS FOR A REASON ON THE FOOTAGE THEY'RE SHOWING.
THERE'S ALSO MISSING PIECES THROUGHOUT THAT INCIDENT THAT WERE NOT SHOWN ON BODY CAM FOOTAGE.
SUCH AS WHEN I MENTIONED THE TRAILER, IF YOU'D, ONE OF THE OFFICERS IF HIS BODY CAMERA'S RUNNING WELL, THE INDIVIDUALS TOOK YOUR TRAILER SINCE YOUR TRAILER'S AT ANOTHER LOCATION, YOU CAN'T HAVE KEYS TO A TRAILER.
WHY IS MY TRAILER AT YOU'RE TALKING TO? OH, I'M SORRY.
WE'RE HAVING, AGAIN, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE.
THERE'S, THERE WERE MULTIPLE OFFICERS THERE WITH DIFFERENT BODY CAMERAS.
I'M VERY AWARE OF FUNCTION OF BODY CAMERAS.
I SAW THE RED LIGHT ON MAJORITY OF THEIR BODY CAMERAS RUNNING.
UH, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TRACTOR.
IF YOU'RE RUNNING THAT INTO A SILVER MATTER, AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE THEFT SAYS IS IF YOU USE SOMEBODY'S EQUIPMENT WITHOUT THEIR EFFECTIVE CONSENT, THAT'S COULD CONSIDERED THEFT.
NOW IF THEY WANNA RUN THREE DAYS OR WHATEVER TO TURN, BUT THESE INDIVIDUALS DIDN'T HAVE PERMISSION TO DRIVE OUR VEHICLE ALSO.
SECOND, THE COMPLAINT WAS OUR TRAILER WAS STOLEN AND MISSING.
THEY SAID THEY SPOKE TO THE INDIVIDUALS AT THE YARD.
THEY SAID, WE SPOKE TO 'EM, THEY SAID, YOUR TRAILER IS AT ANOTHER LOCATION.
YOU CAN HAVE KEYS TO A TRAILER.
YOU HAVE TO PHYSICALLY MOVE A TRAILER WITH ANOTHER VEHICLE.
WHY IS OUR TRAILER AT ANOTHER LOCATION? YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE CONSENT TO MOVE OR TAKE OUR PROPERTY.
HENCE, THAT WAS THEFT WHEN YOU MOVED IT FROM THE LOCATION WHERE WE ARE PAYING TO HAVE IT.
THEY DIDN'T SHOW THAT PORTION OF THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE.
THEY ALSO DIDN'T SHOW, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW INDIVIDUALS WERE BEING RUDE, HOW COME THE SERGEANT'S BODY CAM FOOTAGE THAT SPOKE TO ME INITIALLY THAT WAS NEVER BROADCASTED, YOU WOULD SHOW MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE HE WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHO I WORK WITH, WHETHER THAN HEARING THE STORY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.
MULTIPLE TIMES I TRIED TO TELL MY STORY.
ARE YOU GONNA LET ME SPEAK SIR? ARE YOU GONNA LET ME SPEAK? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
AND THEN THEY CUT ME OFF AND WE NEVER HEAR THE FULL STORY.
SO YOU GUYS ARE GETTING SNIPPETS, WHAT I CALL MOVING THE GOALPOST IS WHAT DALLAS PD DOES.
THEY MOVE THE GOALPOST TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IN A LIGHT TO PRESENT WHAT THEY WANT SHOWN, BUT THEY'RE NOT SHOWING YOU GUYS THE FULL PICTURE OF EVERYTHING.
IF YOU WOULD'VE SEEN THE SERGEANT'S BODY CAM FOOTAGE, IT WOULD CONNECT TO A MORE THOUGHT OUT PROCESS OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, HENCE WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE FOOTAGE FROM THE 30TH.
AND WHEN WE FILED OUR COMPLAINT, WE FILED THE COMPLAINT FOR EVERYTHING AS A WHOLE FROM THAT INCIDENT.
AND THEN THE SECOND INCIDENT, I'VE GOT ALL MY ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS, EVERYTHING I PUT TOGETHER, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY GAVE YOU GUYS THE DOCUMENTS PUT TOGETHER.
I'M VERY METHODICAL ABOUT THE WAY I RUN ABOUT PUTTING MY PROCESS OF STUFF TOGETHER.
YES, WE, WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, SIR.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THOSE, THE VIDEO INTERACTION WITH, UH, YOUR MOTHER BEING DETAINED.
BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE VOTED FOR INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, ALL OF THE INFORMATION WILL BE REVIEWED BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS ONCE THEY AND I THE QUESTION, IS THIS THE IA GUY THAT WAS REVIEWING OUR FILE? MR. WILLIAMS? NO, HE IS NOT IA.
AND I FORGOT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WE ARE DOING SPANISH INTERPRETATION, SO I REALLY NEED PEOPLE TO SPEAK SLOWLY.
WE ARE ACTUALLY HAVING LIVE SPANISH INTERPRETATION FOR THOSE THAT ARE VIEWING IT ON WEBEX.
SO IF WE COULD ALL TRY TO SPEAK A LITTLE SLOWER FOR THE INTERPRETERS.
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UM, THANK, THANK YOU MS. JEFFERSON.YOU, YOU, YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR SEATS NOW.
UH, THE, THE OFFICE WILL REACH OUT TO YOU, UM, TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR YOU AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
NEXT WE HAVE, UH, ITEM TWO C C P O C P O B DISCUSSION REGARDING POTENTIAL BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY THAT D P D ADOPT AND IMPLEMENT DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE STANDARDS FOR INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS.
UH, WE HAVE MR. JOHN FULL FULLER WIER TO SPEAK.
I'M JOHN FULLEN, WEER 1851 FULLER IN DALLAS.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS ABOUT THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT AS YOU Y'ALL CONSIDER A RESOLUTION TO UP THEIR STANDARDS.
THE DEPARTMENT REALLY IS IN NEED OF A COMPLETE OVERHAUL.
I MEAN, THEY'RE WELL-DOCUMENTED CASES OF OFFICERS WHO HAVE MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS WHO THEN EVEN GO ON TO KILL SOMEONE.
AND SO IT'S NOT CATCHING OFFICERS THAT MIGHT BE PROBLEM OFFICERS.
THE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT ARE INVESTIGATED EACH YEAR, UH, OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS BEEN OVER 500 COMPLAINTS A YEAR.
NOW THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 3,600 OFFICERS, SWORN OFFICERS IN DALLAS.
AND MOST OF THEM DON'T DO REGULAR PATROL, YOU KNOW, BUT COMPLAINTS REACH ABOUT 14% OF ALL OFFICERS IN DALLAS.
SO EITHER ONE OUT OF SEVEN OFFICERS GETS INVESTIGATED EACH YEAR, OR MORE LIKELY THERE'S A SMALLER NUMBER OF OFFICERS WHO HAVE MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS.
SECOND THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS THAT AT THE END OF MARCH OF THIS YEAR, THERE WERE 87 COMPLAINTS THAT HAD BEEN WITHOUT A DISPOSITION FOR OVER 200 DAYS.
NOW, THERE WERE EIGHT AREAS OF DEFICIENCY THAT THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS IDENTIFIED, AND THIS IS THE NINTH AREA.
THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE RECOMMENDATION ON TIME LIMITS FOR INVESTIGATION IS SIX MONTHS OR 180 DAYS.
SO YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE THERE.
OUR LAST POINT CONCERNS COMPLAINTS ABOUT EXCESSIVE FORCE.
THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN EXCESSIVE FORCE OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS.
THE INCREASE FROM 2021 TO 2022 WAS 60.5%.
AND THEN IF YOU COMPARE THE FIRST QUARTER OF 22 WITH THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, MONTH TO MONTH, MONTH OVER MONTH INCREASE OF 25%.
SO THE TREND IS MORE EXCESSIVE FORCE COMPLAINTS AND EXCESSIVE FORCE COMPLAINTS AT THE END OF 2022, THE, THERE WERE 69 AND THEY INVOLVED 111 OFFICERS.
AND YOU MIGHT THINK THAT, UM, UH, WELL THAT'S NOT THAT MUCH IN A BIG CITY LIKE DALLAS, BUT IT DOES MEAN THAT EVERY FIVE DAYS A CITIZEN IN DALLAS IS ROUGHED UP OR OTHERWISE MANHANDLED BY POLICE IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY FILE AN EXCESSIVE FORCE COMPLAINT.
AND THAT'S QUITE A BIT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
I JUST WANNA SAY FINALLY THAT BECAUSE OF ALL OF THESE REASONS, THIS DEPARTMENT, INTERNAL AFFAIRS HAS ENABLED A HALF CENTURY OF UNACCOUNTABLE RACIALIZED POLICE VIOLENCE AGAINST THE PUBLIC.
THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS A COMPLETE OVERHAUL.
NOW, THERE'S NEVER BEEN A POLICE FORCE THAT DOESN'T HAVE CORRUPTION.
NEVER BEEN A POLICE FORCE WITHOUT MISCONDUCT, WITHOUT EXCESSIVE FORCE COMPLAINTS, WITHOUT SOMETIMES UNJUSTIFIED, OFTEN UNJUSTIFIED, UH, USE OF DEADLY FORCE WITHOUT ABUSE OF POWER.
BUT WE CAN'T HAVE A, AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS DEPARTMENT THAT ENABLES THESE THINGS TO GO ON WITHOUT CHECK.
AND THAT'S WHY I WANNA SPEAK STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF ANY MOVE YOU ALL CAN MAKE TO REFORM THIS DEPARTMENT.
IT'S CLEAR ENOUGH FROM WATCHING THE CASES I'VE WATCHED THE PAST TWO MONTHS, THAT THIS DEPARTMENT HAS A BLIND SPOT WHEN IT COMES TO OFFICER CONDUCT.
YOU KNOW, AN OFFICER OFF DUTY DRIVING DRUNK.
BUT AN OFFICER WHO DOES WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE,
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IN THE COUPLE OF COMPLAINTS TONIGHT, GENERALLY, NO.SO IN, IN LAST MONTH'S MEETING, UM, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE OF INTERNAL INVESTIGATION STANDARDS THAT D P D HADN'T ADOPTED.
THESE ARE SOME, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON TWO REPORTS.
ONE REPORT ENTITLED STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A COMMUNITY OF PRACTICE.
AND, UM, THE SECOND ONE WAS BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE CITIZENS THEY SERVE.
AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS PROMISING PRACTICES GUIDE FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.
NOW, THE THE EIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT WERE A CONCERN WAS WHEN THE USE OF FORCE BY POLICE OFFICERS TO BE INVESTIGATED AS A CRIME.
IS THERE A POLICY THAT GUIDES DETECTIVES ON WHEN TO CONSULT WITH PROSECUTORS DURING CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS INTO ALLEGATIONS OF OFFICER BRUTALITY? DO DETECTIVES ANALYZE AND ACCUSED OFFICER'S HISTORY OF COMPLAINTS FOR PATTERNS? CAN PEOPLE CALL IN COMPLAINTS ABOUT OFFICERS 24 HOURS A DAY? DO INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATORS NEED INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE? DO INTERNAL AFFAIRS DETECTIVES RECORD INTERVIEWS? WHAT IF OFFICER'S STATEMENTS DON'T MATCH OTHER EVIDENCE? WHAT AUDITS DP WHO AUDITS DPDS INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS? AND, UM, NUMBER NINE THAT, UM, MR. FULLEN WINDER MENTIONED WAS, WAS THE TIME THAT IT TAKES FOR AN INVESTIGATION TO BE COMPLETED.
AND SO I OPENED IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
CAN I, WHEN THIS APPEARED IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS, IT WAS KINDA LIKE IT IS HERE.
YOU SURE? GETTING, I GOT A RED LIGHT HERE.
WHAT, WHAT THE CHAIR JUST READ AND, AND THEIR BRIEF RESPONSES FROM D P D ABOUT THIS.
BUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS SEEM PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND, AND PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME AND PRETTY FAIR THINGS TO DO.
AND AS A BEGINNING POINT, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR, UH, THE MONITOR, UH, MS. MCCLARY TO GET TOGETHER WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? AND HAVE A DIALOGUE SUCH THAT WE CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY AREAS OF AGREEMENT.
MAYBE THERE WILL BE, MAYBE THERE WON'T.
AND THEN ON THE BASIS OF THAT, GO FROM THERE AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION ON SOME OR ALL OF THESE AS TO WHICH THERE IS NO AGREEMENT.
BUT SOME OF THESE THINGS, LIKE SHOULD THEY RECORD INTERVIEWS? UM, I MEAN, I, I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING A DOWNSIDE TO THAT.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING AND LET'S HAVE A DIALOGUE.
AND IF THEY SAY, NO, WE THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, THEN YOU CAN MARK THAT OFF THE LIST AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL CHANGE THEIR POLICY.
BUT CAN WE JUST SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT'S THERE? MAYBE WE'LL GET MORE AGREEMENT THAN WE THINK WE WILL.
IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP.
A ANY, ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. CHAIR? YEAH.
UM, I, I, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT.
UM, I, I THINK WHAT, IN MY OPINION, WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD DO, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, MILES DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE REPORTING FOR THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS.
I HAVE NOT COMPLETELY READ ALL OF BOTH DOCU BOTH D O J DOCUMENTS.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE POTENTIALLY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE SERVICE I DO IS GO THROUGH, UM, DETERMINE WHAT THE D O J GUIDELINES ARE AND THEN EITHER DETERMINE OR DISCUSS WITH D P D WHETHER D P D IS FOLLOWING EACH ONE OR WHETHER THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING EACH ONE.
AND THEN FOR THE ONES THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING, THEN WE FIND OUT WHY THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING
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THOSE GUIDELINES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF METHOD TO THIS.SO BASICALLY LIST OUT WHAT ARE THE D O J GUIDELINES, WHICH ONES ARE D P D, FOLLOWING, WHICH ONES ARE THEY NOT FOLLOWING, AND FOR THE ONES THEY'RE NOT FOLLOWING, WHY ARE THEY NOT FOLLOWING THEM? AND THEN WE CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. FRIEDMAN SAID WHAT I WAS INTENDING TO SAY, BUT IN MORE DETAIL.
AND SO I APPRECIATE THAT AND, AND AGREE WITH HIM.
MR. MR. CHAIRMAN, IT SEEMS TO ME, 'CAUSE I READ THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE IN DEPTH.
THIS IS WHAT THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS TWO REPORTERS ALREADY DID.
SO, YOU KNOW, US ASKING THE QUESTION AGAIN AND GETTING THE SAME ANSWER GETS US ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE.
I, I, FOR ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GONNA DO IS GO TALK TO MY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A LARGER PRESENCE, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN THIS, IT, THE BOARD.
MR. ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE LEAVE.
I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON MY, UH, POLICY RECOMMENDATION BASED ON, BASED ON THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE WAS, UH, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS AGENDA AND IT'S NOT.
UM, SECOND, UM, THE, IT IS INCUMBENT ON ALL OF US TO REVIEW THE GENERAL ORDERS TO FIND OUT WHERE THE GAPS ARE ACCORDING TO THE, UH, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE REPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT, UH, O C P O HAS THE TIME OR THE MANPOWER TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT IT'S, IT'S EASY FOR ONE OF US TO, UM, I KNOW I DID IT, UH, ON A WEEKEND.
I REVIEWED, UH, THE GENERAL ORDERS I LOOKED AT, UH, AND I, AND, AND I SUBMITTED THAT ONE, THAT, THAT ONE POLICY RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WOULD, UM, TREAT POLICE OFFICERS LIKE, LIKE REGULAR CITIZENS ARE TREATED.
AND THAT IS TO, IF THERE IS A, IF, AND I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I I NEED TO PULL IT UP.
UM, BUT I, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHERE IT'S AT AND, AND WHY WE'RE NOT, UH, WHY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
YEAH, I DID ASK FOR THAT TO BE A SEPARATE, UH, AGENDA ITEM AND I THINK THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A, UH, A MISCOMMUNICATION IN REGARDS TO THAT.
BUT ONE THING IS THAT'S A START.
BUT I THINK WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN, UH, THAN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA CHEW, YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A REALLY, REALLY BIG BITE AND HAVE, AND HAVE TROUBLE SWALLOWING IT.
THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO BREAK THIS UP INTO, IT'S MY OPINION ANYWAY, BUT WE HAVE TO BREAK THIS UP INTO SMALLER CHUNKS.
AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THAT POLICY MEMO DOES.
IT, IT TAKES A VERY, IT TAKES A VERY SPECIFIC PORTION OF THAT REPORT AND IT ADDRESSES THE, THE GAP IN THE D P D GENERAL ORDERS, WHICH I THINK IS VERY REASONABLE.
AND I THINK THE, AND, AND I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR D P D, BUT I THINK THAT THEY WOULD FIND IT REASONABLE, UM, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING THAT, UH, ALL IT DOES IS IS IS MAKE, UH, IT MAKES THEM ACCOUNTABLE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT OUR GOAL IS.
UM, BUT IT, I MEAN, IF, IF WE WANT TO DO THIS GIGANTIC LEGISLATIVE PIECE WHERE, UM, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS AND ONE IS DEPENDENT ON THE OTHER, THEN I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A WHILE, UH, SPINNING OUR WHEELS AND MAKING RUTS IN THE MUD.
BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION DIRECTOR.
I WANNA SPEAK TO WHAT MR. FULLEN WAER ADDRESSED AND ALSO TO WHAT BOARD MEMBER, UH, WADSWORTH ADDRESSED.
A LOT OF THESE ISSUES IN HERE SEEM EX SIMPLY SEEM VERY SIMPLE, BUT THEY DON'T HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE CULTURE IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO EVEN IF WE HAD THIS, IT'S ABOUT THE CULTURE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS MAJOR ALANISE IS THERE, IF, IF MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN I A D DON'T HAVE INVESTIGATIVE EXPERIENCE, THAT'S MORE THAN JUST PUTTING THAT IN THE ORDER THAT'S, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO REVAMP DO THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT.
BUT I CAN ALSO JUST EXPLAIN TO YOU FIRSTHAND WHY THESE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT.
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I HAVE WATCHED MULTIPLE INTERVIEWS WHERE THEY'RE DOING LEADING QUESTIONS.I'M LIKE, WELL, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST TELL THE OFFICER WHAT THE ANSWER SHOULD BE BASED ON WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS.
IT'S VERY CRUCIAL THAT THEY HAVE TOOLS TO DO, UM, THAT THEY HAVE TOOLS TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER SOMEONE IS A CREDIBLE OR NOT ASSESSMENT TOOLS.
SO EVEN THOUGH THESE THINGS SEEM VERY SIMPLE, THEY ACTUALLY ARE VERY COMPLICATED.
AND JUST PUTTING THEM IN A GENERAL ORDER WITHOUT SOME CULTURE CHANGE, WITHOUT SOME WILLINGNESS IS MAYBE A FIRST STEP.
'CAUSE THEN YOU CAN POINT TO A GENERAL ORDER.
BUT A LOT OF THESE THINGS GO TO THE WILLINGNESS AND OTHER THINGS AROUND, ALSO AROUND ANALYZING OFFICERS' HISTORIES OF COMPLAINT PATTERNS.
WE SHOULD SEE THAT IN EVERY INVESTIGATION.
YOU ALL HAVE SEEN INVESTIGATION COME BEFORE YOU WHERE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE QUESTIONS ARE THAT WERE ASKED OF THE, OF THE OFFICERS.
SO HOW CAN YOU MAKE, HOW CAN WE MAKE A DETERMINATION IF THE INVESTIGATION IS THOROUGH OR COMPLETE? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ASKED THE OFFICER.
SO THERE SHOULD BE WAYS THAT INVESTIGATIONS ARE DOCUMENTED AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT HAPPENING.
AND SO HALF THE TIME, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I DISAGREE WITH D P D, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THEY GOT TO CERTAIN ANSWERS BECAUSE IT'S NOT DOCUMENTED.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DETERMINE WHETHER SOMEBODY WAS CREDIBLE OR NOT CREDIBLE.
WHAT ASSESSMENT TOOLS DID YOU USE? DID YOU LOOK AT THE OFFICER'S HISTORIES OF, OF COMPLAINTS TO SEE IF THIS IS A PATTERN? AND A LOT OF TIMES THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE OVERSIGHT OFFICE CAN HELP BRING, BUT ULTIMATELY THESE SHOULD BE HAPPENING INSIDE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND SO, AND THE SAME THING ABOUT THE 24 HOUR HOTLINE, JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT ON.
WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE A 24 HOUR HOTLINE.
I'M ALREADY IN CONTACT WITH THE CITY ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WHEN I'VE TALKED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT IT, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE.
SO WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE A HOTLINE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO CALL IN.
SO WE CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON WHEN THAT HOTLINE WILL BECOME AVAILABLE.
BUT I'M, I'M JUST SAYING, A LOT OF THIS SEEMS SIMPLE ON THE SURFACE, BUT IT'S, A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH CULTURE OF THE DEPARTMENT.
WELL, LET, LET ME, I, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CULTURE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
YOU MAY BE VERY RIGHT ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT SEEMS TO ME WE HAVE TO BEGIN SOMEWHERE.
AND AS THE VICE CHAIR SAID, EVEN IF IT'S BABY STEPS, AND EVEN IF ALL YOU DO IS GET SOMETHING IN GENERAL ORDERS, AT LEAST THAT'S THE BEGINNING POINT FROM WHICH TO GO HERE.
SO I, IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME, WHILE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOUR PREMISE IS HERE, AND THAT IS CULTURE, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME YOU'RE LEAPING OVER THAT.
WHY DON'T WE AT LEAST START WITH THE ORDERS AND THE POLICY, AND THEN GETS PEOPLE TO FOLLOW IT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO, TWO THINGS HERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICY, WHICH TENDS TO BASICALLY BE LIABILITY, ABILITY, AND ADOPTION, WHICH IS CULTURE AND TRANSPARENCY.
SO, SO ONE, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE POLICIES, AND TWO, THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF MECHANISM TO ENSURE THAT THOSE POLICIES AREN'T JUST A CHECK THE BOX, BUT ARE ACTUALLY ADOPTED AND INTERNALIZED.
SO, SO HOW DO WE DO THAT? YOU DO IT, IT, WHAT'S OUR FIRST STEP CHAIR? THIS IS HOST.
THIS IS THE VICE CHAIR FROM DISTRICT SEVEN.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT POLICY MEMO WAS FOR EVERYONE TO REVIEW, FOR US TO DISCUSS, FOR US TO VOTE UP OR DOWN ON WHETHER IT GOES TO THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION INSTEAD OF TALKING.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH.
JONATHAN MAPLES, DISTRICT TWO.
I HAVE TO AGREE WITH MS. MCCLEARY ABOUT THE CULTURE.
UM, IT ALL STARTS WITH THE CULTURE.
IF YOU PEEL THIS ONION, YOU, YOU'LL SEE, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND HOW DEEP THIS RUNS.
I'M, I'M JUST WANNA STAY AS POLITICALLY CORRECT AS I CAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SIMPLE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, BEING TOLD THAT NO IA IS NOT GONNA COME TO YOUR MEETINGS.
UM, IAS MADE A DECISION, NEVER SAW A VIDEO.
WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE CHARGED WITH DOING SOMETHING.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE POLICE IS NEVER GOING TO POLICE THE POLICE.
THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT.
THAT'S WHY THEY GOT A BIG BADASS UNION.
THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITHOUT PRESSURE.
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AND AS MR. RIVA SAID, WE GOT TO TAKE ACTION.AND IF WE DON'T, WE'RE JUST GOING ROUND AND ROUND IN A CIRCLE.
AND I DON'T PERSONALLY LIKE TO GO ROUND AND AROUND IN A CIRCLE BECAUSE IT MAKES ME DIZZY.
SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, LET'S DO SOMETHING.
IF IT TAKE, I MEAN, HOW DO YOU EAT A WELL, ONE BITE AT A TIME.
SO LET'S START EATING AWAY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR SUBCOMMITTEES THAT WE ESTABLISHED, AND WE MAY NEED TO USE OUR SUBCOMMITTEES TO DO OUTREACH IN THE COMMUNITY TO, SO THAT THE COMMUNITY ISN'T AWARE.
'CAUSE JUST LIKE MS. WADSWORTH SAID, WE CAN GO TO OUR CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVE, BUT UNTIL, AND UNLESS THE PUBLIC PUTS PRESSURE ON CITY COUNCIL AND THE CHIEF, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
HOW MANY OF US ON THE BOARD ARE TALKING TO OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THESE ISSUES AND GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK? BECAUSE, BECAUSE THAT'S VITAL.
MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE MORE THAN JUST SECOND MONDAY BOARD MEMBERS.
WE REPRESENT COMMUNITIES, MEANING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING MORE THAN JUST SHOWING UP ON SECOND MONDAY AT FIVE 30 AND THEN NOT DO ANYTHING AGAIN UNTIL THE NEXT MONTH.
NOW THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT WE COULD DO MORE THAN ONE THING AT A TIME HERE.
I THINK THAT WE NEED FOR, AND, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED THE OFFICE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SPECIFIC POLICY IS THAT LINES UP WITH ONE THROUGH SEVEN.
MEANING THAT THERE'S EITHER A POLICY THAT SAYS WE DON'T DO THAT.
SO THAT WE CAN, SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AND CHANGE THOSE POLICIES.
UM, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TALK TO OUR COMMUNITY AND LET THEM KNOW, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE DEAL IS.
HOW DO YOU WANT TO BE POLICED? 'CAUSE IT IS A LOT EASIER TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW YOU WANNA BE POLICED BEFORE YOU BECOME THE VICTIM OF THE POLICING THAT YOU DON'T WANT.
AND YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THAT MAY COUNTERACT THESE FINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IF SOMEBODY HAS A FAMILY MEMBER THAT'S BEEN THE VICTIM OF POLICE BRUTALITY OR EXCESSIVE POLICE FORCE, ALL THE DATA IN THE WORLD IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THEIR OPINION AND THEIR PERCEPTION OF POLICING BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEIR PERCEPTION IS THEIR REALITY.
AND A REPORT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE HOW PEOPLE FEEL IF THEY'RE NOT BEING ENGAGED, IF THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING RESPECTED OR LISTENED
WE NEED TO REVIEW VICE CARE REVA'S PROPOSAL THAT WE NEED TO DO A S A P.
SO I'LL, UH, ASK OUR, UM, POLICY CHAIRMAN IF, IF HE CAN SCHEDULE A MEETING SO THAT THAT POLICY PROPOSAL CAN BE REVIEWED OVER THE NEXT, UH, WEEK OR SO.
BUT I ALSO ASKED FOR A MOTION FOR THE OFFICER COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO REVIEW THE, UM, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM BOTH THE BUILDING TRUST BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE CITIZENS THEY SERVE, AND THE STANDARDS AND GUIDELINES FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS RECOMMENDATIONS FROM A COMMUNITY OF PRACTICE TO, UM,
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COME UP WITH SOME POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAN ALSO REVIEW WITH THE POLICY COMMUNITY.BUT NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WE CAN TAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY TO SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT BEFORE WE BRING IT TO A VOTE.
BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE SOME FEEDBACK, THEY MAY HAVE SOME TWEAKS THAT THEY WANT TO, THEY WANNA MAKE TO IT.
SO THAT MEANS THAT ONCE THE OFFICE PROVIDES US WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE GOTTA MOVE.
WE CAN'T, IT CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.
AND BOARD MEMBERS ARE SAYING, YEAH, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO MY COMMUNITY YET.
GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHEDULE A MEETING.
I'M PRETTY SURE IN EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT THERE ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT ARE EITHER ADVOCATES OR ACTIVISTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP TO FACILITATE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WILLING TO FACI FACILITATE THOSE MEETINGS.
BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE NEED TO BE FOLLOWED ON.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON.
SO I ASKED FOR A MOTION FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO REVIEW THOSE TWO, UM, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS AND TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ADDRESS THE, THE NINE ITEMS THAT WERE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
UH, MARSHALL DISTRICT 10 A SECOND.
IS THERE A SECOND? THAT WAS A SECOND.
I CAN'T MAKE, OH, I TOLD YEAH.
SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, READINESS BEFORE I PUT IT TO A VOTE? I, I'M, MY ONLY QUESTION IS, UM, AND IT GOES TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO SUBMIT RECOMMENDATIONS NO.
FOR THE CPO? NO, THIS IS FOR THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO REVIEW THOSE TWO POLICY, UH, RECOMMENDATION DOCUMENTS AND TO FORMULATE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
WELL, WHAT ABOUT, UM, FROM MR. REVIS? THE POLICY COMMITTEE IS GONNA REVIEW THAT.
IN MANY OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE I'M SITTING HERE, I FEEL HELPLESS.
I FEEL LIKE I HAVE NO AUTHORITY.
I FEEL LIKE I HAVE NO DEFINED ROLE THAT THE CHIEF OF POLICE CAN JUST SAY NO IN AN EMAIL AND IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.
CAN YOU SPEAK INTO YOUR MIC? 'CAUSE I CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I WAS JUST SAYING, I FEEL IN THESE MEETINGS, I FEEL KIND OF HELPLESS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BECAUSE I'M CONFUSED, WHICH HAPPENS A LOT, OR BECAUSE I DO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
THE POLICE CHIEF TO A VERY REASONABLE REQUEST SAYS IN AN EMAIL NO, WITH NO EXPLANATION.
AND, AND LOTS OF TIMES I'VE SAID, WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? AND I, I'M NOT GETTING AWAY FROM THAT FEELING.
AND IF YOU CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT, I'M, I'M OPEN, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT YET.
AND AM I MISSING SOMETHING? YOU'RE NOT.
FROM A STATUTORY STANDPOINT, WE'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD.
FROM A, FROM A, FROM THE STATUTE, WE'RE SIMPLY AN ADVISORY BOARD.
WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE HAVE NO REAL POWER TO ENFORCE ANY KIND OF ACTION RIGHT.
AND SO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE CAN, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN DO, IS WE CAN PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS, WE CAN ASK FOR 'EM TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND IF WE CAN'T GET THINGS DONE, WE HAVE TO GET LOUD.
AND THAT'S, WE HAVE TO GET LOUD WITH THE COUNCIL.
WE HAVE TO GET LOUD WITH THE MEDIA.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY ANYTHING'S GONNA GET ACCOMPLISHED BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES ON OUR OWN.
WE JUST DON'T, LET ME, LET ME, LEMME JUST GO AHEAD.
BUT WHAT ABOUT MINOR ADMINISTRATIVE DETAILS? LIKE GETTING SOMEBODY IN A SEAT HERE? WE DON'T HAVE THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY.
THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT POWER.
LET ME LET, LET ME, LET ME BEG THE DIFFER JUST FOR A SLIGHT MOMENT ON THAT.
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WE, BUT WE WE'RE, WE ARE VEERING AWAY.
WE'RE VEERING AWAY FROM THE MOST, MEANING WE, WE CAN, WE CAN NOT REALLY TABLE THAT.
WE'RE VARYING AWAY FROM MOTION, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY ONE THING AND THEN I'LL STOP.
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THE POWER TO, TO GET OUT TO THE PUBLIC WHAT'S GOING ON, WITNESS WHAT HAPPENED LAST MONTH, AND WE GOT A LOT OF RESPONSE AND A LOT OF POSITIVE RESPONSE.AND IF WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, IT IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT'S GONNA GET OUT IN THE PUBLIC AND IT'S GONNA CARRY SOME WEIGHT.
WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THE MOTION.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING TO THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR? I CALL THE VOTE.
I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY WORTHWHILE TO, UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW OR IF YOU WANT THIS TO HAPPEN, BUT, UM, BOARD MEMBER STEINFELD, OR EVEN ON THE STAFF SIDE, THERE'S A LOT OF THAT FEELING.
UM, THERE WAS A BIG ARTICLE IN THE WASHINGTON POST, MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR AGO, ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF STAFF TURNOVER IN OVERSIGHT OFFICES BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE JUST GOTTEN TIRED OF HITTING THEIR HEAD ON A WALL IN MANY CASES.
SO I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE STAND IN IT WITH YOU.
UM, AND I AGREE WITH, UH, BOARD MEMBER KITNER, YOU JUST HAVE TO USE VARIOUS TACTICS RIGHT.
TO, TO GET OUT IN ONE OF THOSE TACTICS THAT HE POINTED TO THAT ALL OF, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY IS THE COMMUNITY.
UM, BUT I JUST WANT OUR BOARD MEMBER FEL TO KNOW, EVEN ON THE STAFF SIDE, SOMETIMES THERE'S A LOT OF THAT FEELING OF YES.
SO MAYBE MR. CHAIRMAN, WE COULD FIGURE OUT SOME, SOME STRATEGY OR SOME, SOME ENCOURAGEMENT.
YOU'RE OFTEN REALLY GOOD AT THAT ABOUT HOW WE JUST HANG IN HERE FOR THE LONG TERM
WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS BY OURSELVES, MEANING, YEAH.
15 PEOPLE MIGHT NOT CHANGE A SYSTEM, BUT YOU GOT A WHOLE VOTING PUBLIC.
REMEMBER IN 2020 WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020? THERE WERE HOW MANY DAYS OF PROTEST? 100, 100 DAYS OF PROTEST.
AND, AND THERE WERE, THERE WERE POLICY CHANGES THAT CAME AS A RESULT OF THAT.
IT DIDN'T COME AS A RESULT OF, OF A BOARD MEETING.
IT CAME AS A RESULT OF A COMMUNITY THAT WAS SPEAKING IN ONE VOICE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS BOARD IS HERE BECAUSE OF THE VOICE OF THAT COMMUNITY.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LISTENING AND, AND USING THEIR VOICE AND LETTING THEM USE US.
CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? UH, YEAH.
JUST TO GO BACK TO WHAT MS. STANFIELD SAID ABOUT FEELING HELPLESS, UH, AND, AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
I, I DON'T THINK WE ARE HELPLESS.
I SO TO GO TO USE THE EXAMPLE OF, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS CHOOSING NOT TO BE HERE, AND CHIEF GARCIA NOT REQUIRING THAT, THAT WAS FROM, THAT HE RESPONDED TO AN EMAIL FROM O C P O.
IT WASN'T A, IT WASN'T A MOTION THAT WAS PASSED RIGHT.
SO WHAT I'M, SO MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE COULD MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND AS A BOARD THAT CHIEF GARCIA REQUIRE INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO SHOW UP HERE IN PERSON.
AND IF THEN HE CHOOSES NOT TO, THEN WE'RE ON THE RECORD AS THE BOARD RECOMMENDED THIS, AND THEN IT, THEN IT'S A, THEN IT'S A, THEN IT'S A NEWS STORY, THEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES TO THE COUNCIL.
UM, BUT WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT ACTION FIRST.
SO RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE REQUEST HAS BEEN MADE BY THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN MADE BY THE BOARD FORMALLY.
SO I'M SUGGESTING MR. CHAIRMAN, DIDN'T THAT COME FROM THE BOARD? NO, IT, IT DIDN'T COME FROM THE ONTO THAT I, THE EMAIL AND I CAN SHARE IT.
I'M, I'M NOT SAYING, I DID SAY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, THE BOARD HAS REQUESTED THAT IF YOUR STAFF CAN START COMING.
SO I DIDN'T SAY DID DIRECTOR MCCLARY
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DID THE OFFICE, BUT I DID PUT IN THE EMAIL THAT THIS WAS A REQUEST AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO START COMING IN PERSON.SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WHAT THE WORDING WAS THAT IT WAS NOT ON BEHALF OF MY OFFICE.
BUT BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE BOARD DID NOT, IT WASN'T A MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED AND PASSED AND WE VOTED ON IT.
IT WAS, IT WAS A BOARD MEMBER REQUEST.
SO WE CAN PUT THIS ON A AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH'S BOARD MEETING.
WE CAN VOTE ON IT AND WE CAN STILL, I MEAN, WHEN THE BOARD FIRST GOT STARTED, DIRECTOR NEEDED UNFETTERED ACCESS.
THE BOARD VOTED FOR IT, SENT IT FORWARD, SEND IT TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SO THERE ARE WAYS TO, TO GET THINGS DONE.
SO I I, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE DO THAT, PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.
WE MOVE ON TO, UH, STAFFING REPORTS, BRIEFINGS, UH, REPORT, UH, THREE A THREE AUGUST, 2023.
OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS NUMBER ONE WAS AUGUST CLIFFORD OSMER NUMBER TWO WAS CORY THOMAS.
AND NUMBER THREE WAS, UM, RODRIGUEZ LEWIS AND RAVION.
POLK AND XAVIER COOK, O C P O.
SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. YES, SIR.
DURING THE MONTH OF AUGUST, 2023, THERE WERE THREE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.
THESE, THESE WERE THE SIXTH, SEVENTH, AND EIGHTH SHOOTINGS OF THIS YEAR.
THE FIRST SHOOTING, MR. DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO INVESTIGATE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED ON AUGUST 2ND, 2020 IN THE, THE 9,600 BLOCK OF CF HAN FREEWAY.
THIS IS THE SIXTH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING INVOLVING A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER IN 2023.
I'LL READ THE A BRIEFING ON IT.
UM, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE BEEN SENT, SENT THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION, UM, AND THEN I'LL PLAY THE VIDEO.
ON AUGUST 2ND, 2022, ABOUT 10:00 AM SENIOR CORPORAL DOMINGUEZ AND OFFICER CONTR, EXCUSE ME, CTS RESPONDED TO A STOLEN PROPERTY CALL AT THE MOTEL LOCATED ON 96 16 CF HAN FREEWAY.
THE P THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION, LIKE I SAID, WAS SENT TO YOU A WITNESS THAT TRACKED STOLEN EQUIPMENT FROM A COMPANY TO A ROOM IN A MOTEL.
SENIOR CORPORAL DOMINGUEZ AND OFFICER MARTINEZ KNOCKED ON THE DOOR OF THE MOTEL ROOM.
41 YEAR OLD CLIFFORD OSMO OSIR TRYING TO CLIMB OUT OF THE WINDOW.
I WILL START THE VIDEO FROM HERE STARTED AGAIN.
WE HAVE A LITTLE DIFFICULTY HERE.
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WE HAVE A LITTLE DIFFICULTY HERE.IF YOU CAN CHECK THE VOLUME, PLEASE.
DO YOU WANNA TRY PLAYING THE NEXT ONE AND COME BACK TO THIS ONE? WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANY SOUND.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SOUND? WE DO NOT.
I AM GONNA TRY TO FIND SOME SOUND HERE.
IS IT SOUND NOW? THE VIDEO'S DISAPPEARED ALTOGETHER, SO WE'RE NOT SURE.
THERE'S NO VIDEO AT ALL SHOWING RIGHT NOW.
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WHICH ONE? THE ONE THAT WAS TRYING TO COME OUT.F*****G, THAT'S AT 3 45 SHOTS.
WHAT THE F**K? WHAT, WHAT MAN, WHAT? COUSIN? DOWN.
WHAT THE F**K? WATCH OUT FOR MY COUSIN, MAN.
MY COUSIN'S THE FEMALE IN THERE.
HEY, LOOK, I DIDN'T HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE F**K YOU WERE YOU THINKING? HEY, HEY.
OKAY? WHAT'S YOUR NAME? WHAT IS IT? PLEASE, MAN.
LEMME, THEY LEMME ME DOWN, MAN.
WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? WHAT IS IT MAN? NO, NO, NO, MAN.
I'M GONNA HOLD THIS RIGHT HERE.
YOU GOT TWO? GOT TWO TO THE ARM.
YEAH, WE'VE GOT ONE DETAINED AND WE'VE GOT, WE NEED D F R FOR ONE.
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SCENE SECURE.I KNOW IT'S GONNA CALL MY MOTHER.
I'M NOT GONNA LIVE THROUGH THIS, BRO.
I'M SHOT TO THE F*****G THROAT, BRO.
HEY, WE'LL GET YOU SOME WATER HERE IN A SECOND.
OKAY? BUT YOU GOTTA KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN.
I GOT A TOURNIQUETED OVER THERE IN A BOX OVER THERE.
CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS, MR. SUSPECT OSSNER WAS CHARGED WITH TWO COUNTS OF AGGRAVATED, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT IN A PUBLIC SERVANT.
AND ADDITIONAL CHARGES ARE PENDING.
WILL BE INVESTIGATED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT.
DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WAS NOTIFIED AND RESPONDED TO THE SCENE, AS WELL AS THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT IS NOTIFIED AND RESPONDED TO THE SCENE AND WILL MONITOR THIS INVESTIGATION.
THE SECOND DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST.
DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTINUED TO INVESTIGATE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED ON AUGUST 7TH, 2023 AT THE 3,700 BLOCK OF SOUTH TYLER STREET.
THIS IS THE SEVENTH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING IN THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR 2023 ON AUGUST 7TH, 2023, APPROXIMATELY 10:00 AM US MARSHAL SERVICE, NORTH TEXAS FUGITIVE TASK FORCE FOR SERVING AN ARREST WARRANT WITH 36 YEAR OLD CORY THOMAS WANTED FOR A MURDER ON JULY 24TH, 2023 ON METRO STREET IN DALLAS.
A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION DETERMINED TASK FORCE OFFICERS, INCLUDING US MARSHAL STATE POLICE OFFICER DALLAS POLICE OFFICER MATTHEWS BACON AND EDGAR MORALES LOCATED THOMAS INSIDE A PICKUP TRUCK AT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THE TASK FORCE OFFICERS APPROACHED THE SUSPECT VEHICLE IN ATTEMPT TO BLOCK THE ESCAPE.
THOMAS WAS IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT OF THE TRUCK, ATTEMPTED TO ESCAPE THE PASSENGER SIDE DOOR, WHICH WAS BLOCKED.
THE PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION DETERMINED THOMAS PRODUCED A FIREARM AND POINTED IT IN THE DIRECTION OF THE OFFICERS.
FOUR OFFICERS FIRED THE SUSPECT HITTING THE SUSPECT.
TASK FORCE OFFICERS IMMEDIATELY REQUESTED DALLAS FIRE RESCUE AND BEGAN RENDERING FIRST AID COUNSELING, WAS TRANSPORTED TO D F R BY D F R TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL WHERE HE DIED AT 10:47 AM THE OFFICERS WERE INJURED, ALTHOUGH OPERATED AS A PART OF THE US MARSHAL TASK FORCE SEVEN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING IN DALLAS OR DALLAS POLICE OFFICER.
IN 2023, THE SUSPECT, THE SUSPECT'S WEAPON RECOVERED INSIDE THE VEHICLE.
THE VEHICLE WAS REPORTED STOLEN.
THOMAS HAD ADDITIONAL WARRANTS OUT OF GARLAND FOR DEADLY CONDUCT.
IN ADDITION TO THE WARRANT FOR MURDER, NONE OF THE INVOLVED OFFICERS WERE WEARING BODY-WORN CAMERAS WHILE WORKING THE TASK FORCE OFFICERS.
DUE TO A FEDERAL MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, WHICH REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT.
THE DEPARTMENT IS SEEK SEEKING AND IS CURRENTLY UNDER REVIEW.
THE INVESTIGATION IS ONGOING AND BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT.
THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICER SIDE WAS NOTIFIED AND RESPONDED, AND WERE MONITORING INVESTIGATION.
THERE IS LIMITED BODY-WORN CAMERA ON THIS PARTICULAR INCIDENT.
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I WILL CONTINUE ON TO THE NEXT.
UM, OFFICER INVOLVED, SHOOTING, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING IN THE BLOCK OF 2,400 NORTH NORTHWEST HIGHWAY THREE MEN WERE ARRESTED IN AN AGGRAVATED ROBBERY OF A VEHICLE IN THE 2,400 BLOCK OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY.
OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING INVOLVED A DALLAS POLICE OFFICER IN 2023 ON AUGUST 9TH, 2023, THREE MEN WERE ARRESTED IN A CARJACKING OF A DALLAS POLICE DOOR POLICE CRIME RESPONSE TEAM OFFICER IN THE 2,400 BLOCK OF NORTHWEST HIGHWAY, 19 YEAR OLD EXPEDITIOUS LEE.
17 YEAR OLD WITH DAVION HOPE AND 18 YEAR OLD XAVIER COOK WERE CHARGED WITH AGGRAVATED ASSAULT TON AND COOK ALSO FACED CHARGES IN LOUISIANA.
ALL THREE MEN WERE ARRESTED IN SHREVEPORT, LOUISIANA.
THE INVESTIGATION INTO THE STOLEN VEHICLE AND THE SHOOTING OF THE DALLAS POLICE OFFICER DURING ROBBERY IS ONGOING.
ADDITIONAL CHARGES ARE POSSIBLE.
THE OFFICER, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT WAS NOTIFIED, RESPONDED TO THE SCENE, AND I WILL PLAY THE VIDEO.
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THE RESPONDING OFFICER IN THIS CASE, UM, HE WAS RELEASED, UH, FROM THE HOSPITAL.I THINK HE, HE WAS HIT IN THE LOWER CALF ON HIS LEG.
I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THEM THIS MONTH'S OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
SIR, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, DID ANY OF THESE, UH, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING, UH, ALLEGE ANY MISCONDUCT? UM, AT THIS TIME? UM, ALL THREE EARNED AN INVESTIGATION FROM THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT SPECIAL INVESTIGATION UNIT.
AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU CAN ASK ONE OF THE OFFICERS ONLINE.
WELL, I, THE, THE REASON I'M ASKING IS BECAUSE O C P O IS SHOWING THIS VIDEOS.
SO I'M WANTING TO KNOW FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, ARE THEY ALLEGING ANY MISCONDUCT IN THE VIDEOS THAT WERE ALL SHOWN? THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE CURRENTLY ONGOING AT THIS TIME, VICE CHAIR.
SO THEY HAVE NOT MADE A DETERMINATION ABOUT ANY CONDUCT OF THE OFFICERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM THREE B, UPDATE ON THE C P O, THE ANNUAL REPORT DIRECTOR MCCLARY.
SO THIS HAS BECOME THE ARBITRAGES AROUND MY NECK WITH THE EGG ON MY FACE.
UH, I HAVE BLOCKED OUT LITERALLY THE REST OF THIS WEEK.
TO FINISH THIS, I HAD TO DO SIGNIFICANT REWRITES, WHICH I HADN'T ANTICIPATED.
UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE BEEN SHORT STAFFED.
YOU'VE SEEN ALL THE SHOOTINGS WE'RE INVESTIGATING, BUT EVEN CITY MANAGER HAS ASKED ME ABOUT THIS.
SO IT IS GETTING DONE AND YOU WILL HAVE IT.
IT'S JUST BEEN VERY OVERWHELMING RIGHT NOW IN THE OFFICE WITH SUCH A SMALL TEAM.
AND I HAD NOT ANTICIPATED AS MUCH, UM, REWRITING, BUT IT WILL BE COMPLETED AND IN THE HANDS OF THIS BOARD BY YOUR NEXT MEETING AND HOPEFULLY UP ON THE WEBSITE AND ALL OF THAT.
I'VE ALREADY TALKED WITH THE IT TEAM ABOUT GETTING IT POSTED, ET CETERA.
I'M NOT EVEN GONNA MAKE ANY EXCUSES FOR IT, OTHER THAN WE'VE JUST BEEN TREMENDOUSLY OVERWHELMED.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S EVEN COME TO THE CITY MANAGER ATTENTION AT THIS POINT.
SO WE NEED TO JUST GET IT DONE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR MCCLARY? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THREE C REPORT, D P D MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
ON IN YOUR PACKET, YOU DO HAVE THE, UM, ARREST DATA.
IT ALSO ALSO WAS SENT IN THE PACKET ON IN EMAIL AS WELL.
DID ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
C P O B, CHAIR, AND O C P O DIRECTOR MOTLEY MEETING WITH D P D, CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA.
UM, I KNOW LAST MONTH I HAD COVID, SO I DIDN'T, DIDN'T MEET.
I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A MEETING.
AND EVEN IF IT WAS, I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE.
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UM, TODAY'S MEETING, UM, WAS CANCELED.AND I ACTUALLY NEED TO WORK WITH THE DIRECTOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF ON FINDING A, A NEW DAY FOR THE MEETING BECAUSE, UM, MY WORK SCHEDULE HAS CHANGED.
AND NOW TUESDAYS WERE A REMOTE DAY, BUT NOW TUESDAYS ARE IN OFFICE DAY.
SO I HAVE TO, UH, UH, SEE IF WE CAN, UM, MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND.
ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO MR. CHAIR? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO BE INCLUDED IN THOSE MEETINGS MOVING FORWARD SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW DATE.
I, UM, I'M, I'M, I'M GOING TO ASK HIM ABOUT, UM, THEM ABOUT MONDAY, THURSDAY, OR FRIDAY.
AND, AND IT ALSO, UM, IT ALSO HELPED WITH THE, UM, WITH THE BOARD AS FAR AS CONTINUITY GOES WHENEVER ONE OF US ISN'T AVAILABLE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? BOARD OUR NEXT IS THREE E UPDATE ON O C P O POLICY REVIEW OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PROTESTS AND USE OF FORCE POLICIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO, MEMO, UM, I SENT A MEMO OVER ASKING IF THEY CAN RESPOND BY SEPTEMBER 29TH.
UM, SO I WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE YOU ALL THE RESPONSES BASED ON TO THE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED, AS WELL AS THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY YOUR OCTOBER BOARD MEETING.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR? MCCLARY? MAN, CLOSER.
ALRIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO, UH, THREE E, UH, NO, I'M SORRY.
THREE F UPDATE DISCUSSION OF C P O B TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO LAST MONTH AT YOUR MEETING, UM, I THINK PEOPLE, UM, PUT OUT VARIOUS THINGS THAT WERE PRIORITY AND THEN THE CHAIR ULTIMATELY PUT OUT HIS, UM, PRIORITY LIST AND THERE WAS NO DISAGREEMENT TO THAT.
SO I'M WORKING WITH THE ACADEMY TO TRY TO SCHEDULE THESE IN THE ORDER THAT THEY APPEAR.
THE ORDER THAT THEY APPEAR ON THE SHEET IS WHAT THE CHAIR HAD REQUESTED.
AND SO I'LL BE WORKING WITH THEM TO GET THOSE SCHEDULED FOR YOU ALL.
AND AS THEY GET SCHEDULED, UH, WE WILL, UM, SEND OUT THE INVITES.
ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING TO SCHEDULE THOSE ON SATURDAY MORNINGS? LIKE YOU DID? I'LL LET THE BOARD LEAD YOU ALL IN A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHEN YOU ALL SHOULD SCHEDULE YOUR MEETING SO I CAN LET THE ACADEMY KNOW.
UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE, BUT FOR ME, SATURDAY MORNINGS WORK BEST 'CAUSE I WORK DURING THE WEEK, SO, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE AT THE TIME.
DOES ANYONE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SATURDAY? YEAH.
ME, I, I I JUST, IT'S GOT LOTS OF KIDS WITH LOTS OF STUFF GOING ON.
SO
MAYBE, MAYBE, UH, DIRECTOR, MAYBE THERE COULD BE AN OPTION FOR MAYBE ONE SESSION DURING THE, THE WEEK AND ONE SESSION A SATURDAY MORNING, MAYBE AN EVENING SESSION DURING THE WEEK AND A SATURDAY MORNING SESSION.
YEAH, THAT'S A LONG WAYS TO DRIVE AT NIGHT FOR SOME OF US.
OKAY, SO WHAT TIME DO THEY WANT THE WEEKEND SCHEDULE? YOU CAN JUST DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND IT CAN SHOW UP, SHOWS UP AND WE CAN'T, CAN'T, WELL, I MEAN, WE WANT TO, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, THAT, FOR THOSE WHO WHO WORK, YOU KNOW, THEY, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO BE AFTER FIVE.
I, I DON'T KNOW, IN, IN THE EVENING FOR SATURDAY.
OF COURSE THAT WILL BE A MORNING OPTION.
WELL, DIRECTOR, IF YOU WANT TO SEND OUT A A DO WELL FIRST SEE WHEN THEIR AVAILABILITY IS, SEE, SEE IF THEY HAVE AVAILABILITY TO DO IT
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WEEKDAY WEEK EVENING.AND THEN WE, WE COME UP WITH SOME DATES.
HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD, COULD ACTUALLY DO A WEEKDAY MORNING TELL EARLY, OKAY.
HOW MANY COULD DO A WEEKDAY EVENING AND HOW MANY COULD DO A SATURDAY MORNING? SO, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN WE DID THE OTHER, THE OTHER TRAINING, DIDN'T WE DO MULTIPLE TRAININGS FOR, WE DIDN'T, I THINK BOARD MEMBER, UM, MAPLES BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT.
I'LL SEE IF ANY OF THESE THINGS ARE SELF-PACED AND CAN BE DONE.
MY CONCERN IS THAT SOME OF THESE ARE VERY HANDS-ON, LIKE THE ONE YOU ALL DID WITH THE, UM, TEAM THAT HANDLES CROWDS.
I MEAN, SENIOR STAFF ON A SATURDAY.
TO ASK PEOPLE TO COME OUT MULTIPLE TIMES FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IS REASONABLE.
I THINK IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE, THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SELF-BASED THAT YOU CAN DO, BUT TO ASK THEM TO DO A HANDS-ON WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHOWING YOU WEAPONS.
DOING THIS FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW IS REASONABLE, BUT I CAN ASK 'EM.
THEY MAY SAY, WE'LL DO INDIVIDUALS FOR ANYBODY THAT CAN'T COME TO A GROUP ONE.
SO I THINK THE CHAIRS, I GUESS IT'S SEEING WHAT THEY'RE UP TO AND WILLING TO DO.
BUT YEAH, TO YOUR QUESTION, FOR SOME OF 'EM WE DID.
AND I THINK SOME OF 'EM WERE MORE CLASSROOM BASED.
BUT FOR THE ONES WHERE THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT IN TEAMS AND WERE ACTUALLY HANDS-ON WITH YOU ALL, WE DID THOSE ON SATURDAY MORNINGS AND WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD ATTENDANCE.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, I THINK, UH, BOARD MEMBER SANFORD CAN PROBABLY APPRECIATE THIS.
I KNOW SHE CAME AND HAD TO TIP OUT SOMETIMES FOR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHILDREN.
IS THERE, IS THERE SPACE IN THIS BUILDING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY SACRIFICE AN HOUR OF OUR BOARD MEETING TO DO A TRAINING? NOT IN THIS BUILDING.
I CAN ASK 'EM IF ANY TRAININGS CAN BE, UM, CONDUCTED AT CITY HALL.
I GUESS BASICALLY I CAN JUST SIT DOWN.
THEY, THEY'RE VERY COOPERATIVE AND THEY REALLY WANNA SUPPORT THIS BOARD.
SO I WILL TALK WITH THEM AND FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE OPTIONS ARE AND LET THE BOARD KNOW.
NOW, ONE THING I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE TO LEVEL SET IS THAT US GOING THROUGH THIS TRAINING, THAT'S NOT JUST FOR US TO GO THROUGH THE TRAINING, IT'S SO THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN TO OUR COMMUNITY HOW OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BEING TRAINED.
SO, SO WE'RE GOING TO THESE TRAININGS SO WE CAN GO BACK AND TELL OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OUR PERSONAL, UH, PREFERENCE.
SO I JUST WANNA, UH, MAKE THAT POINT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALRIGHT, UM, THREE G.
STATUS OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATIONS REQUESTED BY C P O B DIRECTOR.
I JUST REALIZED I SHOULD HAVE ADDED DONELLE LANE ON HERE.
UM, AND JUST PUT IT IN KIND OF, UM, A HOLD STATUS SO THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT UPDATED FOR NEXT MONTH.
UH, DIAMOND ROSS IS STILL IN, IN LITIGATION, UM, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT SIX POSSIBLE INVESTIGATIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? DIAMOND ROSS HAPPENED, I BELIEVE THE INVESTIGATION HAPPENED IN 2020.
AND SO THAT I, I KNOW I BRING THIS UP ALL THE TIME, BUT THAT'S A PROBLEM WITH THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE YOU ALL CAN'T TOUCH THESE UNTIL CASES, IF THEY'RE IN LITIGATION, THESE CASES CAN BE IN LITIGATION FOR YEARS.
AND SO THAT BRILLIANT INVESTIGATION THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY THIS BOARD IS SITTING ON A SHELF AND HAS BEEN SITTING THERE SINCE 2020.
SO BY THE TIME IT GETS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC, ARE THAT RECOMMENDATIONS EVEN STILL GONNA BE RELEVANT? THEY COULD BE CRUCIAL ENOUGH THAT THIS THING THAT THE OFFICE, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE CHANGING RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT'S GONNA SIT THERE UNTIL THIS LITIGATION CONCLUDES.
UH, DO WE GET ANY DISCOVERY REQUESTS RELATED TO LITIGATION? IF, IF WE STARTED ANY SORT OF INVESTIGATION, BUT IT WAS PUT ON PAUSE, LIKE THIS SITUATION, UM, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY.
BUT IF SO, THEY WOULD BE ROUTED.
IF I GOT ANY DISCOVERY REQUESTS, I WOULD SEND THEM TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THEY WOULD,
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SINCE THEY REPRESENT THE CITY AND THE LITIGATION, THEY WOULD RESPOND TO IT.BUT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN, I HAVE NOT, OUR OFFICE HAS NOT PERSONALLY, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, GOTTEN ANY DISCOVERY REQUESTS FROM UM, ATTORNEYS.
AND LET, LET ME SAY THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
SOMETIMES ATTORNEYS WILL ASK WHEN IT'S IN COMPLAINT STATUS, WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS, AND I ALWAYS REFER THEM EITHER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OR TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY, UM, DISCOVERY REQUESTS FOR THESE TYPE OF INVESTIGATIONS WHERE THERE'S BEEN A DEATH IN CUSTODY OR OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIR? YES.
UM, I DO HAVE, UH, SPEAKING OF, UH, DIAMOND ROSS, WE DID MAKE SOME CHANGES.
WE SUBMITTED A POLICY RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS REASONABLE, UM, THAT WAS, UH, REASONABLE TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS, REASONABLE TO D P D, THE CHIEF ACCEPTED IT, MADE THOSE CHANGES.
WE NOW HAVE BOX TRUCKS THAT GO AND PICK UP PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, SUFFERING FROM, UH, PSYCHOTIC EPISODES FROM, YOU KNOW, USING DRUGS AND WHATNOT.
UM, I JUST WANNA REMIND, UH, REMIND OUR, OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THAT.
I ALSO WANT TO, UH, LET OUR NEW, UM, C P O B MEMBERS KNOW THAT, UH, THAT THAT HAPPENED, JUST LIKE THAT POLICY MEMO THAT WE KICKED DOWN THE ROAD, UM, THAT COULD HAVE GONE UP TODAY.
THAT THAT IS A, THAT IS A CHANGE, A POSITIVE CHANGE THAT IS BENEFITING OUR RESIDENTS EVERY DAY NOW.
DON'T, DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU AT ALL.
IN, IN FACT, I AGREE 100% WITH, WITH YOU, WITH THAT.
HOWEVER, HOWEVER, TO THE DIRECTOR'S POINT, THAT INVESTIGATION HAD, UH, MULTIPLE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL THAT THEY CAN'T SEE THE LIGHT OF DAY UNTIL THAT, UNTIL THE LITIGATION IS, IS RESOLVED.
BUT, BUT YES, WE DID, UH, MAKE A CHANGE THAT THAT WAS REASONABLE, MADE SENSE, AND, AND WAS ACCEPTED BY THE, UH, POLICE CHIEF.
SO, YEAH, I, I, I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.
AND I'M NOT, AND I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE O C P O IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO, THERE'S GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL, UM, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND CHANGES THAT COME OUT OF THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW AND REMIND THEM THAT WE DID DO A POLICY CHANGE RECOMMENDATION AND IT WAS ACCEPTED AND WE DID MOVE THE BALL FORWARD AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AGAIN.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT.
SO FOR THE, UM, MONTH OF AUGUST, THE OFFICE TOOK IN 81 COMPLAINTS.
SO, UH, WE ARE REALLY ON A MOVE WITH COMPLAINTS.
UM, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, A LOT OF THOSE WERE BASED ON MR. LANE, WHICH IS WHY THE NUMBER IS SO HIGH.
UM, I WOULD PROBABLY SAY ALMOST HALF OF THOSE ARE PROBABLY, UM, THE RESULT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD CONCERNS ABOUT MR. LANE'S CASE.
UM, JUST WANTED TO LET THE BOARD KNOW.
WE'VE HIRED A NEW COMPLAINT SPECIALIST.
UM, SO WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THAT PERSON WILL START.
SO THAT PERSON MIGHT BE HERE BY YOUR OCTOBER MEETING.
SO, UM, YOU WILL GET YOUR SUMMARIES.
AGAIN, I WASN'T ABLE TO PULL ALL THE SUMMARIES TOGETHER, UM, FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST.
YOU GOT THEM FOR JUNE AND JULY, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY WORKING WITH THAT PERSON, UH, YOU'LL START TO SEE THOSE SUMMARIES COME BACK, ET CETERA.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING A NEW PERSON.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO BOARD TRAINING SCHEDULE.
SO THE C P O B IS NOT ONLY COMMITTED TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUT ALSO TO CONTINUE LEARNING IN AREAS OF OVERSIGHT, POLICING, CRIMINAL JUSTICE, AND ANY OTHER TOPICS THE BOARD DEEMS RELEVANT TO HIS WORK.
UH, O C P O DIRECTOR REACHED OUT TO TWO COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF THE C P O B DATA AND TECHNOLOGY SUBCOMMITTEE TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF THEM DEVELOPING TRAINING FOR THE C P O B REGARDING POLICE DATA.
THOSE SUBCOMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE RICHARD DUNKS AND TONGA HIGG, I MEAN TONGA HIGGINS.
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ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF PROVIDING TRAINING AND SUBMITTED A PROPOSAL TO DIRECTOR MCCLARY.SO, UM, THE PROPOSAL IS A TWO HOUR ZOOM ZOOM TRAINING, STARTING WITH AN INTRODUCTION DU OVERVIEW OF THE AVAILABLE DATA, POLICE INCIDENTS, ARRESTS, ARREST CHARGES AND USE OF FORCE, AND THEN A SHORT SKILLS TUTORIAL GOING THROUGH THE BASICS OF DOWNLOADING AND WORKING WITH THE DATA.
UH, WE WOULD THEN, LIKE, THEY WOULD THEN LIKE TO PUT PEOPLE INTO SMALL GROUPS, TWO TO THREE PEOPLE TO WORK WITH THE DATA AND BREAKOUT ROOMS. IDEALLY EACH WORKING WITH A DIFFERENT DATA SET AND THEN REPORTING BACK ON THEIR FINDINGS.
THIS WOULD BE WHAT THEY FOUND, WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE DATA, AND WHAT QUESTIONS THEY HAVE ABOUT THE DATA.
UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO FINISH BY OFFERING SOME CASE STUDIES FROM OTHER JURISDICTIONS ON HOW DATA HAS BEEN USED FOR OVERSIGHT AND CHANGE OF VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.
THE OUTCOME ON THEIR HOPE IS THAT THIS WILL NOT ONLY GIVE, UM, BOARD MEMBERS SOME GOOD CONTENT CONTEXT, BUT ALSO SOME PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE DATA, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR SKILL LEVEL THAT SHOULD PROVE USEFUL.
UH, DIRECTOR MCCLARY SHARED THIS PROPOSAL WITH MYSELF, VICE CHAIRMAN, UH, REVIS TRAINING SUBCOMMITTEE CHAIR, UH, CHAIRMAN KITNER KITNER, UM, DATA TECHNOLOGY CHAIR, CHAIR, CHAIRMAN, MARSHALL.
UH, WE ALL AGREED THAT THE TRAINING WOULD BE WORTHWHILE AND WE WANTED THE PROPOSAL TO BE SHARED WITH THE ENTIRE C P O B.
UH, AND SO I ASKED BOARD MEMBERS, UM, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT PARTICIPATING IN THAT TRAINING? SOUNDS GOOD TO ME.
SO, UM, JUST LIKE WITH THE OTHER TRAININGS, WE WOULD JUST NEED FOR DIRECTOR MCCLARY TO THIS ONE, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET WITH, UM, THE FACILITATORS AND SEE WHAT THEIR AVAILABILITY IS.
I GET IT SCHEDULED BY THE END OF THE YEAR, HOPEFULLY.
AND THEN MAYBE, UM, ONCE YOU GET THEIR AVAILABILITY, PROBABLY DO A DOODLE POLL.
DOODLE POLL TO SEE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR EVERYONE.
AND I PROBABLY WOULD CHECK WITH THEM TO SEE IF, IF, IF THEY WILL BE OPEN TO DOING MULTIPLE SESSIONS JUST IN CASE BOARD MEMBERS AREN'T AVAILABLE.
UM, AND THE 2023 C P O B TRAINING CALENDAR.
UM, SO FAR THERE HASN'T BEEN ANYTHING FOR THE MONTH OF AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER.
NOVEMBER WE HAVE THE ANNUAL NACO CONFERENCE IN CHICAGO.
ANY ANY COMMENTS ABOUT, UH, BOARD TRAINING? ALRIGHT, UPDATE ON BOARD MEMBER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
WE HAVE DISTRICT TWO, AUGUST 27TH, 2023.
C P O B MEMBER JONATHAN MAPLES REPRESENTED THE C P O B AND THE O C P O AT THE SEVENTH ANNUAL PROJECT.
UNITY TOGETHER WE BALL EVENT, WHICH BRINGS TOGETHER FAITH LEADERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND COMMUNITY LEADERS OVER THE MUTUAL LEVEL OF BASKETBALL.
IT WAS HELD AT SS M U NEXT YEAR.
IT IS THE HOPE THAT THE C P O B AND THE O C P O WILL BE OFFICIAL CO-SPONSORS OF THE EVENT.
I ALSO WANT TO, UH, MENTION, BECAUSE I, I WASN'T HERE IN AUGUST.
UH, I DID, UH, JOIN, UM, MR. MAPLES AND, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO AT ONE OF THE EVENTS, UM, THAT COMMEMORATED THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE MURDER OF SANTOS RODRIGUEZ BY DALLAS POLICE OFFICER.
AND I WAS FORTUNATE, OR I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO GET A MIC PUT IN MY HANDS AND JUST KIND OF SHARE MY VIEWS ON THE POWER THAT THE DALLAS CITIZEN HAS.
MEANING THAT WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE.
IF, IF WE DON'T SEE OUR CITY COUNCIL DOING WHAT WE FEEL IT SHOULD BE DOING, WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE, THE WAY THE CITY COUNCIL LOOKS.
WE HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THE WAY OUR COMMUNITIES ARE, ARE GOVERNED.
WE JUST HAVE TO DECIDE FOR OURSELVES THAT
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WE WANT TO USE THAT POWER AND NOT WAIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO IT.AND THAT'S BASICALLY, UM, KIND OF A CLIFF NOTES VERSION OF WHAT I SHARED AT THE EVENT.
UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE ABOUT, UH, ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY MAY HAVE DONE FROM A, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE OVER THE LAST MONTH OR SO? UH, SO THE, UH, TOGETHER WE BALL, WELL SEPTEMBER WE DID DO THE, UM, UM, THE SANTOS RODRIGUEZ EVENT.
AND, UH, IF YOU KNOW THE STORY THEN YOU KNOW HOW SPECIAL THAT WAS.
AND THEN, UM, WOW, THAT WAS LAST MONTH IN AUGUST.
UH, AS DIRECTOR MCCLARY SAID, WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE, UH, A SPONSORED AREA, THE D P D VERSUS, UH, FAITH LEADERS, MINISTERS FROM ALL AROUND THE CITY.
AND THEY HOSTED A, UH, A BASKETBALL GAME OVER AT, UH, MOODY COLISEUM AT S M U.
AND IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY NICE DEAL.
I WAS HONORED TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THAT.
THEY PROVIDED A MEAL AND, AND, UH, THEY HAD A LOT OF THINGS FOR THE KIDS TO DO AS THEY DID A BAS OR THEY HAD A BASKETBALL GAME AND TRAINING BEFORE THE BIG GAME.
BUT, UH, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO US BEING A PART OF THAT NEXT YEAR.
I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO FEEL A C P O B TEAM.
MS. STEIN FIELD WENT TO GEORGETOWN, SO I KNOW SHE HAS SOME BALL HANDLING SKILLS.
I KNOW SHE CAN SHOOT THE ROCK.
I NEVER WENT HEAR ANY SPORTING COURT AT GEORGETOWN.
HEY, SOME THINGS DON'T NEED TO BE ON THE RECORDS
SO I DID TALK TO THE SPONSORS OF THE EVENT, PROJECT UNITY, AND UM, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO REMIND THEM THAT OVERSIGHT IS PART OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
AND SO THEY WERE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THE BOARD AND THE OFFICE BEING CO-SPONSORS.
SO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE D P D, UM, I'M BLANKING ON ALL THE OTHER, BUT BASICALLY, UM, DART ALL OF THEIR, ALL OF THEIR POLICE FORCES WERE CO-SPONSORS OF THIS EVENT.
SO THEY ARE DEFINITELY VERY OPEN TO THAT.
SO OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE ON IT, UH, FOR THE C P O B, BUT I'M HOPING THAT YOU ALL AGREE TO CO-SPONSOR.
AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS CAN, UH, CAN, UH, RIB UH, YOUR CITY MANAGER, HE WASN'T THERE THIS YEAR, BUT LAST YEAR HE CAME AND APPARENTLY HE WON THE THREE, UH, UH, SHOT CONTEST, 3.3 POINT CONTEST AND APPARENTLY HE SAID HE ALSO CAN FREE THROW.
SO SOME OF Y'ALL MIGHT HAVE TO CHALLENGE HIM 'CAUSE HE HAD TO GIVE UP THE TITLE THIS YEAR 'CAUSE HE WASN'T THERE.
BUT IT WAS, IT'S REALLY A FUNNY EVENT AND I'M EXCITED.
IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE OVERSIGHT IN, IN THE HOUSE ON THIS POSITIVE EVENT NEXT YEAR.
OKAY, SO OUR UPCOMING MEETING, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE OCTOBER 10TH, 2023.
PER THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE AGENDA WILL POST 72 HOURS PRIOR.
WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO ENSURE A ROBUST AND TRANSPARENT AGENDA FOR ALL AND PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WANNA REMIND OUR GUESTS OF THE SPEAKER GUIDELINES OUTLINED EARLIER IN THE MEETING.
IS THERE ANYBODY IN PERSON OR ON THE LINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT? I THINK THE LIKENESS OF HOUR ALWAYS WEAR ANYBODY OUT WITH THAT? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MR. WILLIAMS? JUST WANNA DOUBLE CHECK.
IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE LINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, MA'AM.
IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS? ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CALL, WE'LL CALL THE VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? NAYYY, AYES HAVE IT.