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YEAH.

THAT'S A

[Council Government Performance & Financial Management Committee on September 19, 2023.]

YES.

RIGHT? OKAY.

WE HAVE A QUORUM AND WE HAVE A THREE O'CLOCK FOLLOW UP MEETING IN THIS ROOM, SO WE'VE GOTTA GET STARTED ON TIME.

I'LL NOW CALL THIS, UM, MEETING OF THE GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE TO ORDER.

UH, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS OUR MINUTES FROM JUNE 13TH, 2023.

CAN I GET A MOTION? MOVE TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

UH, WE HAVE MORE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 30TH, 2023.

SPECIAL CALLED JOINT GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND AD HOC ON LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.

CAN I GET AN APPROVAL? IT'S A MOTION.

A SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

LEADING OPPOSED.

MOTION CARRIES.

NEXT ITEM IS BRIEFING ITEM A DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MONTHLY UPDATE.

GOOD, MOR.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

I WAS SURPRISED WE DON'T HAVE A PACKED ROOM TO HEAR ABOUT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MONTHLY UPDATE .

NOT THIS TIME.

OH, WE TAKE IT AWAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, I'M VERNON YOUNG, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

UH, GLAD TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF THE GOVERNMENT PERFORMANCE AND FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE.

UH, GOOD NEWS.

UH, WE CONTINUE TO, TO ROLL ALONG AND GETTING THE SINGLE FAMILY PERMITS OUT COMMERCIAL.

WE'VE DOUBLED DOWN ON OUR EFFORTS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET THOSE OUT.

I'LL JUST KIND OF GO OVER, OVER THIS, UH, MEMO LIGHTLY.

SO WE, WE CONTINUE TO ROLL OUT ON THE DALLAS NOW PROJECT THAT WILL REPLACE OUR LEGACY SYSTEM.

WE'RE IN OUR FOURTH MONTH, AND WE, WE CONTINUE TO BE ON TIME, UH, MEETING OUR TIMELINES WITH THAT.

SO I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

THE TEAM IS HARD PRESSED TO KEEP THOSE EFFORTS ROLLING.

IN AUGUST, THE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY SUBMITTALS WERE DOWN SLIGHTLY, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO DOUBLE DOWN ON GETTING PERMITS OUT.

WE WERE ABLE TO ISSUE 208, EVEN THOUGH WE ONLY TOOK IN 145.

AND SO YOU SAY, WELL, WHERE'D THAT NUMBER COME FROM? SOME OF 'EM ARE ROLLOVERS.

WE WERE WAITING UP FOR INFORMATION AND SO FORTH.

UM, THE TIMELINES TO GET THOSE OUT, UH, ABOUT FOUR DAYS IF THERE'S NO ISSUES, NEW SINGLE FAMILY.

UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN DALLAS AND, AND REVISITING THOSE IN MAKING SURE THAT WE DOUBLE DOWN ON GETTING THOSE PERMITS OUT.

AND SO WE CREATED A COMMERCIAL HOTLINE FOR SUBMITTALS WHERE WE CAN GET THOSE CALLS FIRSTHAND UP AND RUNNING.

IT WAS UP AND RUNNING.

AS OF THURSDAY.

WE PUT OUT A PUBLICATION TO NOTIFY OUR COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS OF THIS HOTLINE.

WE'VE HAD ONE CALL, THAT ONE CALL WAS, UH, RELATED TO 38 DAYS IN REVIEW.

ONE OF OUR, UH, REGULAR CUSTOMERS WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THEM AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET THAT PERMIT OUT AND GET IT RESOLVED.

IT WAS, OF COURSE, A A ZONING ISSUE, COMMERCIAL METRICS.

AND SO WE RECEIVED FIVE NEW COMMERCIAL, UH, SUBMITTALS, TH 4 34 COMMERCIAL EDITIONS AND 283 COMMERCIAL REMODELS.

IT SEEMS TO STILL BE STRONG AND, AND, AND CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'D EXPECT THIS TIME OF YEAR.

AND SO I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

AGAIN, WE CONTINUE TO PRESS TO GET THOSE OUT.

INITIAL REVIEWS WERE PERFORMED WITHIN 10 DAYS, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE TIME THAT THEY WERE SUBMITTED MEETING OUR DEPARTMENTS GOALS.

OUR Q TEAM, INITIAL REVIEWS WERE PERFORMED WITHIN TWO DAYS.

AND THEN, SO ON THE, ON THE NEXT, UH, NEXT PAGE, WE KIND OF TALK ABOUT REMODEL, MASTER VOLUME AND SO FORTH.

UM, AGAIN, WE ARE DOUBLE DOWN ON OUR EFFORTS ON THE, ON THE COMMERCIAL SUBMITTALS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE, UH, SECTION THAT KEEPS ECONOMIC GROWING IN DALLAS.

AND SO WE'RE INVESTING A LOT WITH OUR SECOND Q TEAM, WITH OUR INITIAL Q TEAM AND, UH, UH, SO FORTH.

AND SO, UH, REALLY I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, OR CONCERNS.

THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIRMAN BLACKMAN, I'M NOT A CHAIR ANYMORE.

OH, SORRY.

OKAY.

ANYWAY, UM, THANK YOU VERNON.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

'CAUSE I THINK IN OUR JOINT MEETING WHERE WE JUST APPROVED THOSE MINUTES, WERE YOU TO GIVE THIS TO ECO DEV AS WELL? WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE SCHEDULED TO, TO MEET WITH E WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION GOING TO ECO DEV.

YES, MA'AM.

SO WILL IT BASICALLY BE THE SAME THING? IT, IT DEPENDS ON IF THINGS ARE CHANGED.

WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T HAVE SEPTEMBER'S NUMBER.

WE HAD, WE DON'T HAVE, UH, WE, WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, PART OF AUGUST NUMBERS.

BUT YEAH, FOR THE, FOR THE MOST PART, IT'LL, IT'LL BE THE, BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT CHANGING, LIKE THIS KIND OF STUFF, I'D RATHER TALK ABOUT THIS.

IF YOU'RE GONNA BE BRIEFING THE ECO, DEB, AND I'M KIND OF, I GUESS MORE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, TO THE CHAIR, THE INFAMOUS, IT'S LIKE I, I, YOU STAFF

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HAS TO DO FOR A MEMO AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR A BRIEFING.

AND IF YOU'RE DOING IT TWICE, THAT'S DOUBLE THE WORK.

AND WE NEED YOU TO BE WORKING ON THIS STUFF.

WE NEED TO BE FIXING SOME PROBLEMS. SO MY SUGGESTION, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT IF IT IS AN ECO DEB BRIEFING IT, YOU'RE JUST AVAILABLE IF WE HAVE A QUESTION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO BRING YOU AND SPEND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, 30 MINUTES WAITING AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, 20 MINUTES GIVEN A PRESENTATION AND ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

UM, BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS A DECISION THAT WAS MADE BY THE JOINT GROUP, UH, LAST MEETING WAS THAT YOU WERE GONNA GO TO ECO DEV.

SO THAT'S JUST, AND LET'S START WORKING ON GETTING THIS SHOOTS AND LADDERS FROM HELL STREAMLINED.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHERE OUR VALUE IS, IS, UM, IS WORKING ON, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET AS WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO DO, AND THEN HELPING GET THIS IN LINE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH WORK.

RIGHT.

I MEAN, 'CAUSE THIS IS PRETTY, UM, HARSH.

ANYWAY, THOSE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS.

AND I, BUT I DO WANNA THANK YOU AND STAFF.

I MEAN, WE'VE COME A LONG WAY, BABY.

UM, I KNOW IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT AS LONG AS YOU'RE STILL HONEST WITH YOURSELF, MAKING THOSE CORRECTIONS AS YOU GO ALONG THE WAY, BEING HONEST WITH AND TRANSPARENT, THAT'S ALL I CAN ASK.

AND, UM, SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMAN, APPRECIATE THOSE WORDS.

AND WE, WE ARE LOOKING INTO THAT, UH, KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

THAT WAS, YEAH, IT'S MY FAULT.

I BROUGHT THE GRAPHIC, UH, CHAIRWOMAN NIELSON.

THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER WEST .

THANK YOU.

UM, IN RESPONDING TO THOSE COMMENTS, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT THE REASON THAT THIS CAME TO G P F M IS THAT IT WAS NOT CONSISTENTLY AN ITEM AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE.

AND THERE WERE ACCOUNTABILITY ISSUES ABOUT, UM, HOW WE WERE RESPONDING TO PERMITS.

AND SO, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO IMPROVE THAT, WE PUT THIS AS THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM EVERY SINGLE MONTH AND ENSURE, AND, AND AS IT TURNS OUT, WE DID SEE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENT.

YES.

AND I THINK WHEN WE DAYLIGHT THINGS AND WE HAVE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE, WE ACTUALLY SEE MOVEMENT.

SO SURELY YOU'VE HAD GREAT INCREASES IN ESPECIALLY SINGLE FAMILY.

UM, AND THAT'S GREAT TO SEE.

I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN NEW SINGLE FAMILY, UH, REDUCTION, SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, INTEREST RATES OF COURSE, AFFECT THIS.

HOWEVER, UM, THIS, THIS SAYS SOME VERY SERIOUS THINGS ABOUT OUR FUTURE AND ABOUT THE ABILITY TO BRING ON NEW PROPERTIES AND, AND RAISE THOSE PROPERTY VALUES.

SO, UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY MINDFUL ABOUT THE VOLUME THAT'S COMING IN AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR OUR BUDGETS IN THE FUTURE.

SO WITH THAT, UM, I, I DO LIKE GETTING THESE NUMBERS.

IF THEY WERE BEING CONSISTENTLY PROVIDED MONTHLY AT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IF THAT COMMITTEE WAS PROVIDING MORE OF A, UM, ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE AS OPPOSED TO, UM, A FOCUS REALLY JUST ON, UM, JUST THE ECONOMIC PIECE, THEN I COULD EVEN BE FINE WITH THAT.

BUT THIS IS CERTAINLY AT THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION, BUT THE ENTIRE REASON THIS WAS BROUGHT HERE, WHICH OF COURSE YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT, THIS, WAS ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.

THANK YOU.

UH, IT'S, I'M NOT SEEING, UH, ANY OTHER LIGHTS.

UH, MR. SENEZ, IF YOU NEED TO GET MY ATTENTION, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL.

I MEAN, IT'S, I, I HAVE THE BENEFIT, UH, I GUESS OF BEING ON BOTH COMMITTEES, SO I'M GONNA HEAR IT TWICE.

UM, SO IT'S, I NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT I KNOW OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE INTERESTED IN, IN DIGGING INTO THE DATA AS WELL.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT FACT.

AND ALSO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAS HAD THIS REALLY, THE ACCOUNTABILITY PIECE FOR TWO YEARS.

AND IT'S BEEN GREAT.

AND I WANT TO, AT A MINIMUM, CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE REPORT ON HERE AS A, A MEMORANDUM ITEM.

I'D LIKE TO SEE US, UM, REALLY DIG INTO THE HOT ISSUE, WHICH AT THE TIME WAS JUST GENERAL PERMITTING.

I FEEL LIKE ONE THING WE COULD DIG INTO IS, IS IN THE, THE PROCESSES ITSELF, WHICH, UM, SEEMS TO BE LIKE THE NEXT FOCUS.

UM, SO I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, TALK WITH MY, MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT WHAT KIND OF FOCUS WE COULD HAVE WITH THIS DEPARTMENT, UM, MOVING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND I THINK STARTING WITH, UM, THE PROCESS THAT ONE HAS TO GO THROUGH IN BOTH THE COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, THIS IS THE COMMERCIAL ONE WE HAVE, THE, THE RESIDENTIAL ONE IS, IS, IS COMPLICATED AS WELL.

AND FOCUSING ON HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY SIMPLIFY THAT AND STILL GET EVERYTHING DONE THAT WE NEED TO GET DONE IN THE DEPARTMENT.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST A REFOCUS, NOT NECESSARILY NOT HAVING THIS ON THE AGENDA, UM, ANYMORE NOW THAT THINGS SEEM TO BE A LITTLE MORE ON TRACK THAN THEY

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WERE TWO YEARS AGO.

SO THAT'S, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL HONE THAT FOR, FOR FUTURE MONTHS.

ALRIGHT, MOVING ON.

UH, ITEM B IS OUR FISCAL YEAR 23 END OF YEAR APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS BUDGET OFFICE.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, COMMITTEE, UH, JEANETTE WHEDON, DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

AND WE ARE HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO DISCUSS THE FISCAL YEAR 23 END OF YEAR BUDGET APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.

I'M JOINED BY VIN GULL, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

UM, MOVING ON TO SLIDE NUMBER TWO, WE PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF TODAY'S BRIEFING.

WE'LL DISCUSS BACKGROUND, UM, WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND NEXT STEPS ON SLIDE NUMBER THREE.

AS YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE FISCAL YEAR 23 OPERATING GRANT AND TRUST AND CAPITAL BUDGET.

ON SEPTEMBER THE 28TH OF LAST YEAR, CITY COUNCIL AMENDED THE BUDGET AT MIDYEAR ON MAY THE 10TH.

AND SO NOW WE ARE HERE ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH CITY CHARTER AND TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE DEPARTMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS AVAILABLE THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

ON SLIDE NUMBER FOUR, WE HAVE LISTED THE SECTIONS OF THE CITY CHARTER THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE END OF YEAR BUDGET APPROPRIATION PROCESS.

UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED REQUIRED CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH APPROPRIATIONS.

UH, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS REQUIRED TO TRANSFER BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS.

UM, CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS ALSO REQUIRED TO APPROPRIATE EXCESS REVENUE, AND DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO EXCEED APPROPRIATIONS.

ON SLIDE NUMBER FIVE, UH, THE END OF YEAR ORDINANCE WILL APPROPRIATE EXCESS REVENUE, AUTHORIZE TRANSFERS, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO ADDRESS FORECAST OVERRUNS, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR GRANT TRUST AND OTHER FUNDS, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS FOR ENTERPRISE AND INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.

AND THE ORDINANCE WILL ALSO APPROVE, UM, ADJUSTMENTS PREVI PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, BY CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION.

UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

UM, WE HAVE BEEN PRESENTING THE APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENT REQUEST TO CITY COUNCIL TWICE PER YEAR SINCE FISCAL YEAR 18.

UH, PRIOR TO FISCAL YEAR 18, WE AMENDED THE BUDGET ONCE PER YEAR, UM, AND WE CALLED IT THE MID-YEAR APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE.

UM, SINCE FISCAL YEAR 18, WE HAVE BEEN HERE TWICE AT MID-YEAR AND END OF YEAR.

THE ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE YOU TODAY ARE BASED ON THE JULY BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT.

UM, ON SLIDE NUMBER SIX, WE PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE ADJUSTMENTS.

UM, WE ARE AMENDING THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET BY 1.8 MILLION ENTERPRISE FUNDS BY 27.6 MILLION, AND, UM, CAPITAL BY 144.1.

AND WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS.

ON THE NEXT FEW SLIDES.

I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE CAPITAL ADJUSTMENTS, UM, INCLUDE 134.1 MILLION OF APPROPRIATIONS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, UM, BY RESOLUTION.

SO BASED ON THE JULY ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT, UH, WE ARE FORECASTING GENERAL FUND REVENUE OVER BUDGET BY 2.4, UH, UM, MILLION.

AND THE BIGGEST REVENUE DRIVERS IN OUR ASSUMPTIONS INCLUDE CHARGES FOR SERVICE, FRANCHISE AND INTEREST EARNINGS.

UH, WE ARE FORECASTING SALES TAX UNDER BUDGET OR UNDER THE AMENDED BUDGET BY 5.3 MILLION.

UH, THE ORDINANCE WILL, UH, AMEND AND APPROPRIATE, UH, THAT EXCESS REVENUE, UM, AND INCREASE THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET FROM, UH, 1,000,000,007 27.6 TO 1,000,000,007 29.4.

UH, EXCESS REVENUE ON SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT, UM, AVAILABLE AT YEAR END, ALONG WITH, UH, PREVIOUS, UH, OR PROJECTED SAVINGS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS WILL BE USED TO SUPPORT PROJECTED COST OVERRUNS FOR DEPARTMENTS LISTED HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT, BASED ON THE FORECAST AS OF JULY 31ST, WE HAVE 10 DEPARTMENTS PROJECTED OVER BUDGET.

UM, AS PART OF THE THIS END OF YEAR APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENT, UM, WE ARE COVERING INCREASED COSTS FOR HEALTH BENEFITS.

THE GENERAL FUND WILL REALIZE AN 11.1 MILLION INCREASE IN ENTERPRISE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS WILL REALIZE AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE OF 2.1 MILLION, UM, FOR, UH, INCREASED COST DUE TO HEALTH BENEFITS.

OTHER COST OVERRUNS ARE DUE TO UNBUDGETED REPAIRS AT VARIOUS CITY FACILITIES, UH, AND BUILDING SERVICES, FLEET MAINTENANCE

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COSTS, AS WELL AS INCREASED MEDICAL SUPPLIES.

UM, AND HEALTH BENEFIT COSTS IN DALLAS FIRE RESCUE, UH, TEMPORARY STAFFING AND HR DUE TO PRIMARILY DUE TO WORK WORKDAY IMPLEMENTATION AND PASS THROUGH UTILITY COSTS FOR FAIR PARK IMPACTING PARK AND RECREATION.

ON SLIDE NUMBER NINE, WE ARE SHOWING THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE WILL REALLOCATE FROM.

UM, MOST OF THOSE SAVINGS ARE DUE TO, UH, VACANT POSITIONS.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 10, WE ARE SHOWING THE PROPOSED USE OF SALARY AND BENEFIT STABILIZATION.

THE ORDINANCE AUTHORIZES THE CITY TO USE, UH, SALARY AND BENEFIT, UM, STABILIZATION FOR RETIREMENT PAYOUTS AND SALARY ADJUSTMENTS.

UH, THESE ADJUSTMENTS HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER, UH, 10 TOTAL 166,000.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 11, UM, WE PROVIDE A SUMMARY OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

SO THE NET INCREASE TO THE GENERAL FUND IS 1.8 MILLION, UM, PROJECTED COST OVERRUNS OF 18.8 MILLION AND PROJECTED SAVINGS OF 17 MILLION.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 11, UM, WE WALK THROUGH, UH, APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS IMPACTING, I'M SORRY, SLIDE NUMBER 12.

WE WALK THROUGH APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS IMPACTING GRANT TRUST AND OTHER FUNDS.

UM, THE BIGGEST DRIVER ON THIS SLIDE INCLUDES PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, UM, AMENDMENTS, TOTALING 8.6 MILLION.

UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THE CONTINGENCY REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS APPROVED ON AUGUST, UH, THE NINTH.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE ON HERE, UH, BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, UH, CARRYOVER OPERATING CARRYOVER FUND ADJUSTMENTS.

THIS INCLUDES, UM, A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR TRANSFORMATIONAL ASSISTANCE AND NON-DEPARTMENTAL AND A MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR THE R M S, UH, UPGRADE IN DALLAS, UH, DA DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 13, WE SHOW APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS IMPACTING ENTERPRISE AND INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS.

UM, THE CONVENTION AND EVENT SERVICES, THEIR PROJECTED INCREASE IS 21.1 MILLION, AND THAT'S DUE TO HIGHER THAN BUDGETED.

UM, EVENT, UH, REVENUE AND ACTIVITY, UH, INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, UH, SERVICES 4.4 MILLION.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF REPAYMENT OF CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUNDS, AS WELL AS, UM, UH, UH, SUPPORT, UH, HARDWARE DETECTION SYSTEM OF ABOUT 3.8 MILLION.

UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, INCREASE SUPPORTS CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, UH, EQUIPMENT AND FLEET SERVICES.

IT'S A COMBINATION OF, UH, TARGETED, UH, LABOR COSTS, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, FLEET, UH, UH, PARTS AND, UH, REPAIRS AT SOUTHEAST CENTER SERVICE GARAGE.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 14, UM, WE'RE SHOWING SANITATION INCREASE ASSOCIATED WITH EQUIPMENT PURCHASES.

TEMPORARY, UH, LABOR AND CONTRACT SERVICES.

UH, UH, EXPRESS BUSINESS CENTER, UH, INCREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE REPAYMENT, UM, OF C R F.

AND THEN MUNICIPAL RADIO AND EMPLOYEE BENEFIT, OR EMPLOYEE BENEFITS ADMINISTRATION FUND ARE LISTED HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER 14.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 15, AS I MENTIONED, UM, CAPITAL INCREASES, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, REFLECT, UH, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENTS.

THESE ARE ITEMS THAT WERE PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY TO CITY COUNCIL.

THE BIGGEST DRIVER ON THIS SLIDE IS THE $80 MILLION, UM, UH, FROM DART THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AT THE END OF JUNE.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UH, NEW APPROPRIATION REQUESTS OF $10 MILLION.

THIS ACTUALLY REFLECTS, UH, PLANNED CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION TRANSFERS, UM, FROM A PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR THAT, UM, WERE NOT, UH, BUDGETED FOR THE TRANSFER.

ON SLIDE NUMBER 16, UM, WE ARE PRESENTING THE, UM, PROPOSED, UH, END OF YEAR BUDGET APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE TO COUNSEL ON SEPTEMBER THE 27TH.

AND, UM, WE ARE HERE, UM, SEEKING A RECOMMENDATION.

AND, UM, WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

UM, QUESTIONS, UH, CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSON.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO I'M GONNA START, I GUESS IN ORDER HERE.

SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UM, WITH THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT, OUR TOTAL ANNUAL BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 WOULD BE 4.8 BILLION, AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANY OF THE IN AND OUT THAT'S NON DUPLICATED.

SO IT'S 4.8 AND IT INCLUDES THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, SO IT INCLUDES THE IN AND OUT.

OKAY.

AND WITHOUT THAT, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE THE 4.6.

OKAY.

SO ON SLIDE EIGHT,

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YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, ALLOCATING ADDITIONAL HEALTHCARE COSTS.

UM, I'M ASSUMING IT'S BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT CLAIM EXPERIENCE THAT'S HIGHER THAN EXPECTED.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO, YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, AS PART OF THE, UH, BUDGET PRESENTATION IN MID-AUGUST, UM, HR PRESENTED, UM, PROJECTED INCREASES ASSOCIATED WITH, UM, MORE EXPENSES, UH, MORE CLAIMS. WHAT WE REALIZED DURING THE PANDEMIC, OBVIOUSLY, UM, PEOPLE, UM, WERE NOT SEEKING CARE.

UM, AS COVID RESTRICTIONS LIFTED, AS PEOPLE BECAME MORE COMFORTABLE AS COVID, I GUESS WENT AWAY.

UM, AND I, IT'S STILL HERE, BUT, UM, AS PEOPLE BECOME MORE COMFORTABLE, UM, THEY'VE STARTED SEEKING CARE.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WE'VE REALIZED A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN CLAIMS, UM, AN INCREASE IN, UM, UH, MORE EXPENSIVE CLAIMS. UM, IT COULD BE THE RESULT OF PEOPLE NOT SEEKING CARE.

SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A COMBINATION OF JUST HIGHER THAN PROJECTED, UM, HEALTHCARE COSTS.

SO I'VE NEVER SEEN A COMPANY GO BACK AND DO THIS MID-YEAR.

SO IF YOU HAVE A YEAR OF BAD CLAIM EXPERIENCE, THEN YOU READJUST FOR THE COMING YEAR, UM, FOR AN APPROPRIATE ALLOCATION THAT WILL OF COURSE COVER ANY KIND OF DEFICIT LIKE THAT.

UM, HAD WE NOT HAD ADDITIONAL REVENUE, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE? SO WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE, UM, PRIOR TO FISCAL YEAR 16.

UM, BECAUSE WE ARE SELF-INSURED, UM, WE WILL SURCHARGE DEPARTMENTS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EXPENSE IS ALLOCATED TO THE CORRECT DEPARTMENT.

BUT IN SOME CASES WE MAY END UP USING GENERAL FUND CONTINGENCY, BUT THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HEALTH BENEFIT FUND, UM, ENDS THE YEAR, UM, AT A POS WITH A POSITIVE BALANCE, EITHER ZERO OR POSITIVE, BUT NOT NEGATIVE.

AND WHAT'S THE CONTINGENCY ON THE HEALTHCARE ACCOUNT? SO WE HAVE USED THAT.

UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, DON'T HAVE, DO YOU HAVE THE BUDGET PULLED UP? I BELIEVE OUR BEGINNING FUND BALANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 23 WAS PROJECTED AT 12 MILLION.

AND SO WE HAVE USED THAT, UH, FUND BALANCE AND EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT, UM, UM, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO END THE YEAR IN A POSITIVE BALANCE.

AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UM, BACK IN 2019, THERE WAS QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL HEALTHCARE BALANCE IN THAT RESERVE ACCOUNT.

I'M GONNA PULL THAT UP.

BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ACCUMULATED, UH, A SIGNIFICANT BALANCE FROM A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS, UM, WE MADE CHANGES TO, UH, THE BENEFIT THE PLAN PROVIDER.

AND SO THAT GENERATED SAVINGS.

UM, WE ALSO HAD, UM, LESS PEOPLE USING THE PLAN.

I, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY HAS DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF, UM, CONVENING A, UM, GROUP OF, OF OUR PEERS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK RELATED TO HEALTH BENEFITS.

AND WE HAVE IMPROVED THE PLAN.

AND SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, THERE'S MORE USAGE.

UM, THERE'S ALSO, UM, MORE BENEFITS TO, TO THE EMPLOYEE.

SO AS A RESULT OF THAT, UM, THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

SO WE HAVE, UM, USED FUND BALANCE TO, UM, HOLD THE COST FOR BOTH THE CITY AS WELL AS THE EMPLOYEE.

UM, IF YOU ARE CALLING THE BRIEFING IN MID-AUGUST, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING PLANS DESIGN CHANGES.

YOU ALL WILL APPROVE THAT TOMORROW AS PART OF THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

BUT, UM, WE ARE PASSING ON 5% INCREASE TO EMPLOYEES AND THE CITY IS ABSORBING, UM, UM, THE DIFFERENCE, UM, THROUGH, UH, THIS CITY CONTRIBUTIONS I PULLED UP.

SO YES, THE, THE, UM, BEGINNING FUND BALANCE OF WHAT WE BUDGETED, WE BUDGETED 25 MILLION AS THE BEGINNING FUND BALANCE FOR FISCAL YEAR 23.

UM, OUR, OUR FORECAST, UM, AS PART OF BUDGET DEVELOPMENT, WE ASSUME THAT WE WOULD SPEND DOWN THAT FUND BALANCE TILL ABOUT TO ABOUT 12.5.

AND AS OF TODAY, UM, AS EXPENSES CONTINUE TO INCREASE, UM, THIS SURCHARGE IS, IS NECESSARY TO END THE YEAR AT ZERO OR A POSITIVE BALANCE.

SO WE HAD USE ON BALANCE.

'CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOUR FUND BALANCE IS ZERO.

CORRECT.

UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA USE THIS EXPERIENCE FOR BUDGETING FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

I'M SORRY.

SO YOU'RE GONNA USE THIS EXPERIENCE, MEANING THESE EXTRA DOLLARS WILL FIGURE INTO THE PER EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

SO WE HAVE ALREADY MADE OUR ASSUMPTIONS FOR THE PER EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR FISCAL YEAR 24.

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UH, THIS YEAR END, UM, PROJECTION IS ACTUALLY JUST TO, UH, ENSURE THAT WE END THE YEAR EITHER POS IN A POSITIVE POSITION.

SO ANY, UM, SAVINGS REALIZED FROM END OF YEAR, WE'LL JUST BECOME PART OF FUND BALANCE.

UM, WE PREPARE A MONTHLY FORECAST STARTING IN NOVEMBER.

UM, IT'S PART OF THE BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT.

THE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS FUND IS PART OF THAT FORECAST.

AND SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE TO THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL AS COUNCIL THE STATUS OF THE FUND AS WE MOVE ALONG DURING FISCAL YEAR 24 .

SO WHICH ONE WOULD BE ACCURATE? YOUR PARKING MONEY SO THAT YOU HAVE DOLLARS IN YOUR FUND BALANCE, OR YOU EXPECT TO ACTUALLY PAY ALL OF THIS OUT IN CLAIMS? WE EXPECT TO PAY ALL OF THIS OUT IN CLAIMS. SO IT IS NOT OUR GOAL TO BUILD UP THE FUND BALANCE IN THE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS FUND.

SO WHAT WE HAVE PROJECTED AS A SURCHARGE IS THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO END THE FISCAL YEAR AT ZERO NOW, UM, IT'S A PROJECTION, SO, UM, AND IT'S BASED ON CLAIMS EXPERIENCE THROUGH JULY, OR I'M SORRY, THROUGH JUNE FOR, UH, THE REMAINDER OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THE MONTHS OF JULY, AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER, THAT MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON, ON THE ENDING FUND BALANCE.

AND THEN FOR ALL THE ITEMS IN THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, HAVE THESE DOLLARS ALREADY BEEN SPENT OR, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF ITEMS IN HERE, OR IS IT THAT, UM, YOU'RE GONNA MOVE IT OVER AND YOU'VE GOT A WEEK AND A HALF LEFT TO SPEND IT? SO, UM, THEY'RE PROJECTED EXPENSES AND FOR THE MOST PART, UM, THERE ARE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN SPENT, UM, FOR, UH, DEPARTMENTS WHERE IT'S A CONSERVATIVE FORECAST, THEN ANY SAVINGS WILL BECOME PART OF THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE AND NUMBER OF DAYS, ANY SAVINGS REALIZED FROM ALL OF THESE ADJUSTMENTS, THEN THE GENERAL FUND BECOME PART OF THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE.

SO, UM, THE, IT JUST INCREASES THE NUMBER OF DAYS AND RESERVES.

SO, UH, THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION.

I MEAN, YOU'RE GIVING US THIS PRESENTATION AND PERHAPS MAKING IT SOUND LIKE WE HAVE A CHOICE, BUT IN REALITY THESE ARE DOLLARS THAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE ALREADY SPENT AND WE DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY MAKE A CHANGE.

LIKE IF WE SAID, WOW, WE DON'T WANNA DO ANY OF THIS, WE WANT ALL OF THIS TO GO TO X, WE COULDN'T DO THAT REALLY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SPENT MOST OF THESE DOLLARS.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO, UM, AS PART OF THE CITY CHARTER DEPARTMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO END THE YEAR IN A POSITIVE POSITION.

SO THE GOAL OF THE END OF YEAR APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE IS TO ENSURE THAT DEPARTMENTS ARE COMPLIANT WITH CITY CHARTER.

SO, UM, THEY HAVE PROVIDED THEIR, UH, FORECAST OF WHERE THEY THINK THEY'LL END, END THE FISCAL YEAR.

UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, THIS IS A REFLECTION OF ACTIVITY THAT HAS SERVICES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN DELIVERED FOR THE MOST PART, PROGRAMS THAT, UM, ARE COMPLETE OR NEAR COMPLETE.

SO I'LL TAKE THAT AS A YES THEN.

AND I GUESS MY, MY FOLLOW UP THEN IS JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU PRESENT A BALANCED BUDGET TO US, THIS IS TRUE, BUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THERE'S DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SPENDING MORE THAN THEIR BUDGET.

WHAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE TO MATCH THAT, THEN WHAT HAPPENS? WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE IT OUTTA CONTINGENCY.

SO CONTINGENCY IS ALWAYS AN OPTION, UM, FOR ANY UNPLANNED, UM, EXPENSE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SO WE, WE DO THAT, UM, EVERY YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

UM, WE'VE USED CONTINGENCY FOR FLOOD EVENTS, UH, FOR VARIOUS EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, UM, WEATHER EVENTS.

UM, WE'VE USED IT FOR RANSOMWARE.

SO THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF CONTINGENCY, UM, FOR THE DEPARTMENTS THAT, UM, OUR FORECAST, UH, TO BE OVER BUDGET.

UM, WE DO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, SORT OF THE UNDERLYING NEED AND, AND WHATEVER THE EXPENSE IS DRIVING THAT OVERAGE.

AND, UM, THE CONVERSATION IS, IT'S A SERVICE OR A PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN, UM, REQUESTED.

UM, AND IT'S A, IT'S A NEED.

WELL, YOU, YOU JUST OUTLINED SOME ITEMS AS EXAMPLES TO US THAT ARE ACTUALLY EMERGENCY CONTINGENCY.

THEY'RE NOT OUR REGULAR CONTINGENCY ACCOUNT, BUT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE, UM, REALLOCATING MONEY TO, TO SALARIES IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THAT'S NOT AN EMERGENCY.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN UNPLANNED.

THAT'S, WE HAVE EXTRA MONEY AND WE'RE JUST GONNA THROW IT THERE.

AND THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS.

SO, UM, TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, THAT'S ACTUALLY A CORRECTION.

SO IT'S

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A CORRECTION OF, UH, PRIOR YEAR, UH, REORGANIZATION THAT TOOK PLACE.

IT WAS NOT BUDGETED.

UM, WE RECOGNIZED THAT IT WAS NOT BUDGETED IN 23, AND SO WE CORRECTED IT IN 24.

BUT IN ORDER FOR, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO END THE YEAR IN A POSITIVE POSITION, WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT.

SO THIS IS NOT, THIS IS FROM A PRIOR YEAR, SO IN MAY YOU DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT AS JUST NOW.

SO IN MAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AS PART OF THE MID-YEAR APPROPRIATION ADJUSTMENT, WE DON'T ALWAYS MAKE ADJUSTMENTS RELATED TO SALARIES, UM, BECAUSE DEPARTMENTS A LOT OF TIMES WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO ABSORB THAT INCREASE.

SO THE MAY ADJUSTMENT, THE MIDYEAR IS REALLY TO, UM, ADDRESS THOSE, UM, ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ABSORB THAT INCREASE.

BUT FOR ALL THE OTHER ADJUSTMENTS, WE TYPICALLY WAIT TILL END OF YEAR.

AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE USED TO DO END OF YEAR AT END OF YEAR, ONCE PER YEAR.

ALRIGHT, WELL, UM, CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.

NO PROBLEM.

THANK YOU MS. BLACKMAN.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING, SO LET, UM, HELP ME.

IT, IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU, YOU CAME IN LIKE AT 18.8 AND 17.

IS THAT JUST BY COINCIDENCE OR DOES IT USUALLY THAT'S HOW IT WORKS OUT WHEN YOU BUDGET.

IT'S JUST, IT KIND OF ALL FILTERS INTO THE SPACE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

SO HISTORICALLY, UM, DEPARTMENTS WILL HAVE SAVINGS, UM, AND TYPICALLY THOSE SAVINGS, UM, WILL BE USED TO COVER PROJECTED OVERRUNS OR IT'S A COMBINATION OF, UM, EXCESS REVENUE, UM, TO COVER PROJECTED.

SO IT'S, IT'S USUALLY A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT THINGS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, AND I, AND I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE TAKING THIS INFORMATION AND HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THIS CURRENT BUDGET, YOU, YOU SAID YOU DID IT WITH THE HEALTH BENEFITS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU, I'M LOOKING AT TEMPORARY STAFFING EXPENSES, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU LOOK AT D F R AND D P D AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, 11.4 OF THE 18.8.

I'M, I'M, SO I'M WONDERING IS THOSE CORRECTIONS MADE IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE WILL HOPEFULLY BE ADOPTING TOMORROW? SO THE HEALTH BENEFIT ADJUSTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE 24 BUDGET.

WHEN WE WERE BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE AT MIDYEAR, UM, WE WERE PROJECTING OVERAGES RELATED TO DALLAS FIRE RESCUE AND OVERTIME, UM, THE FISCAL YEAR 24 BUDGET INCLUDES ADDITIONAL STAFFING, UM, TO ADDRESS THEIR STAFFING ISSUE.

IT ALSO INCLUDES ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR OVERTIME.

SO WE MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

UM, D P D IS OVER AS A RESULT OF THE, UM, HEALTH BENEFITS SURCHARGE.

SO WE HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR AN INCREASED COST IN THE HEALTH BENEFITS IN THE 24 BUDGET.

AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE, UM, THAT YOU'VE ACCRUED A $17 MILLION SAVINGS, IF YOU WILL, UM, IS THAT ACCOUNTED FOR? I MEAN, DID THEIR BUDGETS DROP BY THOSE EXPENSES? SO THE MAJORITY OF THE SAVINGS ARE THE RESULT OF SALARY SAVINGS.

UM, WE DO INCLUDE, UH, VACANCY SAVINGS ADJUSTMENT.

UM, WE LOOK AT THAT EVERY YEAR.

WE ADJUST IT BASED ON DEPARTMENT'S HISTORICAL VACANCIES.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, AS PART OF BUDGET DEVELOPMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, WE LOOKED AT THE LAST 24 MONTHS, UH, VACANT POSITIONS AND APPLIED A VACANCY RATE ADJUSTMENT.

AND SO WE INCREASED VACANCY SAVINGS AS A RESULT OF THAT.

UM, WE, WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE DEPARTMENTS TO FILL POSITIONS.

SO, UM, THE GOAL IS NOT TO, YOU KNOW, CUT, IT'S TO, TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT WHERE THEY THINK, UM, THEIR HIRING WILL BE FOR NEXT YEAR.

OKAY.

THANKS FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

MM-HMM.

, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, WE APPRECIATE IT AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT BRIEFING.

AND WHILE WE'RE GETTING SET UP, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, ON ITEM E, DOES, UH, MR. RESENDEZ OR MR. MORENO, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? SO I'M HEARING FROM NO, SO WE WE'RE GONNA SKIP ITEM E, UM,

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THE OTHERS THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON, AND JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY EXPECTATIONS HERE AFTER THIS PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA TAKE ITEM H AND THEN WE'LL JUST GO DOWN IN ORDER FROM D DOWN TO THE, TO THE END.

ALRIGHT, TAKE IT AWAY.

REAL ESTATE.

GOOD AFTERNOON, AVI, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS WITH ME.

I HAVE ASHLEY EUBANKS, OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF OUR REAL ESTATE OFFICE OR DIVISION.

UH, TODAY WE'RE GOING TO COVER THE PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT REAL ESTATE OFFICE DOES ACTUALLY IN THE CITY.

AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO ASHLEY.

THANK YOU, ALI.

UH, THE PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU IS A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND SERVICES PROVIDED WITHIN THE REAL ESTATE DIVISION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS.

UH, PURSUANT TO THE DALLAS CITY CODE SECTION TWO DASH FOUR NINE, IT PROVIDES FOR THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TO OVERSEE AND MANAGE CERTAIN REAL ESTATE ACTIVITIES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

THESE ACTIVITIES INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO MANAGING REAL PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE APPROVAL OF SHORT-TERM LEASES, AS WELL AS THE PURCHASE AND SALE OF ALL REAL PROPERTY ON THE CITY'S BEHALF.

OUR PRIMARY AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY INCLUDE THE ACQUISITION OF PROPERTY RELOCATION AS A RESULT OF THE CITY'S ACQUISITION ACTIVITIES, LEASING OF CITY PROPERTY TO AND FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR, OVERSEEING THE INTAKE AND MANAGEMENT OF TAX FORECLOSED PROPERTIES, MANAGING THE SURPLUS PROPERTY PROCESS, AND PROCESSING THE ABANDONMENT AND LICENSING OF THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY.

SLIDE FOUR, I'M SORRY.

UH, THE FOLLOWING SLIDE SHOWS OUR ORG CHART, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, APPROXIMATELY 30 POSITIONS WITH ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF IN BOTH REAL ESTATE AND RELOCATION PROFESSIONALS.

SLIDE FIVE.

UM, THIS IS A OVERVIEW OF OUR BUDGET AND THE REVENUE THAT COMES IN.

UH, THIS SLIDE, UM, UH, WE WILL, UH, SHOW A TOTAL OF BUDGET FOR F Y 23 OF 3.399.

UM, AND THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR F Y 24 IS 3.42.

UM, THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE ANTICIPATE, UM, COMPLETING APPROXIMATELY 697 TRANSACTIONS.

UM, TYPICALLY WE PROCESS ANYWHERE FROM 85 TO A HUNDRED COUNCIL ACTIONS PER FISCAL YEAR.

AS FOR THE REVENUES, UM, THAT COME IN, UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE ACTIVITIES, UM, SUCH AS YOUR ABANDONMENTS, YOUR LICENSES, SMALL SALES LEASES, SURPLUS PROPERTY AND TAX FORECLOSURE PROPERTY.

UM, THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE PROJECTING APPROXIMATELY 15.9 MILLION IN REVENUE, UH, WHICH YOU WILL SEE ON THE, THE SLIDE, WHICH IS BROKEN DOWN BETWEEN GENERAL FUND AND NON-GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, AS WELL AS TAX, UH, FORECLOSURE REVENUE.

SLIDE SIX.

UH, SO ACQUISITIONS, UM, OF COURSE IS THE NEGOTIATING ACQUIRING PROPERTY INTEREST PURSUANT TO THE DALLAS CITY CODE, UM, AND THE TEXAS PROPERTY CODE ON BEHALF OF CITY DEPARTMENTS.

UM, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH ALL DEPARTMENTS, UM, IN ENSURING THAT WE HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS, SURVEYS, UM, OF COURSE OBTAINING, UH, TITLE POLICIES.

UM, WHEN ACQUIRING A PROPERTY FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS, UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL STEPS, UH, JUST AS I MENTIONED, UM, AND ALL ARE PURSUANT TO STATE LAW AS CURRENTLY THE CITY CODES REQUIRES COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION FOR ANY ACQUISITION THAT EXCEEDS 10,000.

HOWEVER, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PURSUING A CODE AMENDMENT TO HOPEFULLY INCREASE THAT THRESHOLD TO ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR STAFF, UH, FOR SMALLER TYPE DEALS.

AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, THE CURRENT POLICY WITH PROCESSING IMMINENT DOMAIN ACTIONS, THERE IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS, UH, WHEN IM IMMINENT DOMAIN, UH, MAY BE NECESSARY.

SLIDE SEVEN RELOCATION.

UH, OUR RELOCATION IS TRIGGERED AS A RESULT OF THE CITY'S ACQUISITION ACTIVITY.

UH, WE PERFORM THESE ACTIVITIES PURSUANT TO THE DALLAS CITY CODE, CHAPTER 39 A AS WELL AS THE U R A.

UM, RELOCATION CAN INCLUDE BENEFITS SUCH AS MOVING EXPENSES, REPLACEMENT HOUSING PAYMENTS, RENTAL ASSISTANCE, UH, REESTABLISHMENT COSTS FOR BUSINESSES, UH, TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, UH, WITH FORMS AND REFERRALS TO SOCIAL SERVICES IF NECESSARY.

SLIDE EIGHT.

LEASING, UM, LEASING IS BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO PARTS.

UH, WE HAVE INCOME LEASES, UH, WHERE THE CITY WILL ENTERTAIN THE LEASING OF ITS PROPERTY.

AND WE HAVE ACQUISITION LEASES WHERE THE CITY'S NEED FOR SPACE INTERNALLY IS LIMITED AND RESULTS WITH THE CITY DEPARTMENT SEEKING SPACE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

UM, SOME OF THE EXAMPLES ARE SHOWN ON THE SLIDE, UM, FROM THE HENSLEY FIELD, UH, FOR INCOME LEASES AND FOR ACQUISITION LEASES.

YOU HAVE LIKE, UH, EXCUSE ME, YOUR WIC CLINICS SLIDE NINE TAX FOR CLOSED PROPERTY.

UM, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH COUNTY D I S D AS WELL AS THE LAW FIRM, BERGER, GOGAN, BLAIR, AND SAMPSON.

UM, THE CITY IS DEEMED AS THE TRUSTEE AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MANAGEMENT AND THE DISPOSAL OF THESE

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PROPERTIES.

UH, TYPICALLY WE AVERAGE ABOUT FIVE TO SIX PROPERTIES A MONTH THAT ARE STRUCK OFF TO THE CITY AS A RESULT OF THE SHERIFF'S SALE THAT TYPICALLY TAKES PLACE THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.

UM, ONCE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY IN OUR POSSESSION, THERE'S A VETTING PROCESS.

UM, WE WILL VET THOSE AROUND THROUGH ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, UM, ENSURING THAT THERE'S NO OTHER PUBLIC NEED THAT EXISTS.

ULTIMATELY, WE WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL AS WELL AS, UH, SEEK D I S D BOARD APPROVAL, THE DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO SELL TO THE HIGHEST BIDDERS CITY SURPLUS PROPERTY, UM, PURSUANT TO A D SIX DASH 17 WHICH EXIST.

UM, IT ALSO ESTABLISHES OUR LAND AND BUILDING MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHICH IS OUR WAREHOUSE OF ALL CITY PROPERTY.

UM, THERE IS ALSO A MAPPING TOOL THAT IS TIED TO THIS AND IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SIX DASH 17, EACH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR IS ASSIGNED IS TO ASSIGN A PROPERTY LIAISON TO OVERSEE ITS PORTFOLIO.

UM, HOUSE CITY PROPERTY.

NEXT IS IDENTIFIED AS SURPLUS PROPERTY.

UM, TWO SOURCES.

PRIMARILY IT'S FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR REQUESTS THAT WE RECEIVE, AS WELL AS THROUGH THE ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESS THAT HAPPENS.

UM, FIRST QUARTER OF EVERY FISCAL YEAR OR CITY, CITY DEPARTMENTS WILL THEN SCRUB THEIR INVENTORY AND DETERMINE IF ANYTHING CAN BE RELEASED.

UM, TYPICALLY WE WILL SELL OUR PROPERTY THROUGH A PUBLIC AUCTION PROCESS ONCE IT'S DEEMED AS SURPLUS, OR IF IT IS, UM, INDEPENDENTLY, OR IF IT'S NOT DEVELOPABLE, IT CAN BE SOLD TO THE, UH, BUDDING PROPERTY OWNER.

SLIDE 11.

ABANDONMENTS, UH, ABANDONMENTS.

UH, WE PROCESS, UH, THERE ARE COME IN FROM APPLICATIONS FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

UH, THIS IS THE ABANDONMENT OF THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAY.

UM, THAT COULD BE YOUR STREETS, YOUR ALLEYS, UM, IT COULD BE ANY TYPE OF, UH, EASEMENT.

UM, AND FROM THERE THERE'S AN, A VETTING PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE DO NOT RELEASE OR RELINQUISH ANY INTEREST THAT THE CITY MAY STILL NEED.

UM, OF COURSE THERE'S FEES ASSOCIATED, UH, WITH THOSE ABANDONMENTS.

UM, EACH ABANDONMENT MUST COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR AUTHORIZATION.

SLIDE 12 LICENSES SIMILAR TO LI SIM, SIMILAR TO ABANDONMENTS.

UM, A VETTING PROCESS TAKES PLACE ONCE WE RECEIVE A APPLICATION FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

UM, MOST COMMON TYPES OF USES, YOU WILL SEE YOUR SIDEWALK CAFES, YOUR SIGNS, CANOPIES AND HONORINGS.

UM, THAT ENCROACH INTO THE CITY'S RIGHT OF WAYS.

UM, CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED AUTHORIZATION IS ALSO REQUIRED.

UM, THERE IS A, A CAVEAT TO THAT.

UM, WE DO HAVE, UM, A PERMITTING PROGRAM THAT IS IN THE BISHOP PARTS AREA, UM, WHERE THERE HAS BEEN A, UM, 10 YEAR LICENSE THAT WAS GRANTED TO ALL THE, UM, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND THEN FROM THERE, UM, IT GOES THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS THROUGH THEIR ASSOCIATION.

UM, AND THEN, UM, ONCE THAT IS VETTED THROUGH THE CITY, UM, WE WILL THEN ISSUE A PERMIT.

UM, APPLICATION AND LICENSE FEES ARE ASSESSED, UH, SUBJECT TO 43 DASH ONE 15, SLIDE 13.

UM, CURRENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON TO HELP AUGMENT, UM, OUR SERVICES.

WE DO HAVE THE C B R E BROKERAGE CONTRACT, UM, WHICH WAS EXECUTED BACK IN 2019.

UH, THERE'S ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTION REMAINING.

UM, WE HAVE USED THEM FOR SOME ACQUISITION LEASING OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, I, UH, AS WELL AS A COUPLE DEPARTMENTS HAVE USED THEM FOR CONSULTING PURPOSES ON SPECIALIZED PROJECTS.

UM, BELOW YOU WILL SEE THE, THEIR FEE STRUCTURE, UM, SOME COSTS THAT COULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH FEASIBILITY STUDIES.

UM, ONE THING THAT WE HAVE, UM, LOOKED AT AS POSSIBLE FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO CITY PROPERTY, UM, DURING OUR ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESS.

UM, TRULY CHALLENGE DEPARTMENTS TO, UM, DO A TRUE SCRUB OR THEIR PORTFOLIO JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT COULD COME AWAY, UM, COME OUT OF THAT.

SO IF IT'S UNDERUTILIZED, DEFINITELY CAN, UM, FIND A PURPOSE FOR IT.

AND WITH THAT, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND I'M OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

UM, THANK YOU.

AND NORMALLY I DEFER TO THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THIS, BUT I WANTED TO TEE IT UP AND EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE WHY THIS IS ON THE AGENDA AND, AND, AND JUST KIND OF SET US UP FOR A DISCUSSION HERE.

UM, SO THIS WAS HERE BECAUSE DURING THE, UH, BUDGET DISCUSSIONS IT CAME UP THAT WE HAVE 50,000 ACRES THAT WE MAINTAIN IN THE CITY.

OF COURSE, A LOT OF THOSE ARE PARK ACREAGE, FAIR PARK IS WITHIN THAT CITY HALL, UM, THE POLICE AND FIRE STATIONS.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A DATABASE THAT, UM, ALL OF THE CITY'S PROPERTY ARE ON RIGHT NOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THAT'S STUFF WE'LL NEVER TOUCH, RIGHT? LIKE PARKLAND AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE THIS COMMITTEE I THINK HAS AN OPPORTUNITY

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TO BE A STEWARD FOR MAKING SURE WE'RE PUSHING OUT, UM, REAL ESTATE WHERE, UM, AND ACTIVATING IT WHERE IT CAN GENERATE MORE TAX REVENUE, UM, FOR OUR CITY AND HOPEFULLY TAKE THE BURDEN OFF SOME OF OUR TAXPAYERS ALONG THE WAY IF WE'RE GENERATING MORE REVENUE.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO.

MY MISUNDERSTANDING WITH THIS DEPARTMENT'S ROLE, UM, WAS THAT THIS DEPARTMENT WAS THE STEWARD FOR DOING THAT, BUT THE DRIVING FORCE FOR GETTING, PUSHING REAL ESTATE OUT, I UNDERSTAND NOW ON PAGE THREE, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY LIMITED AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITIES ON, ON, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING THE, THE RELOCATIONS AND THE ABANDONMENTS AND HAVING PERSONALLY BEEN THROUGH THE ABANDONMENT PROCESS, I CAN SAY IT WORKS WELL.

AND I'VE ALSO HEARD FROM, UH, OUR INDUSTRY PARTNERS LIKE TREK AND OTHERS, THAT THIS DEPARTMENT IS RUN REALLY, REALLY WELL IN THE CITY, AND THEY GIVE ASHLEY, UM, MS. EUBANKS CREDIT FOR, FOR, FOR DOING THAT.

SO THAT LEAVES ME THOUGH, WITH, WITH MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANYTHING ELSE ON, YOU KNOW, WHO IS THE STEWARD FOR OUR REAL ESTATE? WHO IS THE DEPARTMENT THAT GOES TO, AND I WON'T NAME ANY DEPARTMENT, BUT X DEPARTMENT AND SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'VE GOT ALL THESE HOLDINGS AND YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THEM.

UH, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN SITTING ON 'EM FOR FIVE OR FIVE YEARS OR SO, IT'S TIME TO ACTIVATE 'EM AND LONG TERM LEASE 'EM, SELL 'EM, WHATEVER.

LIKE, WHO'S DOING THAT? THAT'S A QUESTION.

I'LL TAKE IT FIRST, STAB AT IT AND THEN ACTUALLY MAY WANT TO ADD MORE TO IT.

UM, AS WE MENTIONED, I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT, UH, INSTEAD OF JUST MAYBE HAVING ONE PERSON TO DECIDE WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, IT HAS TO BE A COMMITTEE FOR, UH, THE CITY TO DECIDE ON THE, UM, PROPERTIES AND LANDS AND WHAT ARE THE FUTURE OF THE, UH, USE OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

AND THAT COULD BE A MULTI-DEPARTMENTAL EFFORT BETWEEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING REAL ESTATE, AND MAYBE OTHER BUILDING SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE ARE ENVISIONING FOR FUTURE.

UM, DO YOU WANT ACTUALLY ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? SURE.

UM, AS I MENTIONED, AS PART OF THE ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESS THAT WE HAVE, UM, UM, EVERY FIRST QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, TRULY TO CHALLENGE THE DEPARTMENTS DURING THAT PROCESS TO LOOK AT THEIR PROPERTY PORTFOLIO, UM, HOPEFULLY PUTTING SOME PARAMETERS ON THEM THIS COMING, UM, FISCAL YEAR TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVEN'T DEVELOPED IT MAYBE IN FIVE YEARS, IN 10 YEARS, UM, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS TO HELP SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THAT PROPERTY RELEASED OR FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT, I'M GLAD YOU DO THAT.

UM, MY, I GUESS THOUGH, IF, IF WE'RE JUST ASKING A APARTMENT, HEY, IS THIS, ARE YOU READY TO GIVE THIS UP? LIKE, I THINK IT GIVES 'EM AN INCENTIVE TO BE HOARDERS AND JUST HOLD ONTO IT.

YOU KNOW, IF NO ONE'S DRIVING THAT HAMMER HOME AND SAYING, YOU NEED TO, WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT.

UM, IT'S A GAP WE HAVE THERE.

AND I REMEMBER CHAIRMAN MORENO BRINGING UP PREVIOUSLY HOW WE COULD PUT HOUSING ON TOP OF A FIRE STATION, WHICH I THINK IS SUPER COOL.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHO'S LOOKING AT OUR FIRE STATIONS 10 TO 15 TO 20 YEARS OUT AND BEING LIKE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REBUILD THAT.

UM, LET'S DO IT WITH THE GUYS TO MAXIMIZING THE AIR ABOVE IT WITH, WITH MORE HOUSING.

I JUST THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GAP WE'RE MISSING THAT WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO WORK ON.

SO I'M GONNA MAYBE COME BACK, BUT DO YOU WANNA TAKE IT NEXT VICE CHAIR? THANK YOU.

UM, SO LOOKING AT THIS, IT SAYS THAT YOU ARE BASICALLY BOUND BY STATE AND LOCAL LAWS.

SO IN, AND, AND SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BECAUSE I'M SEEING YOU MORE, THIS DEPARTMENT IS MORE OF A REACTIVE THAN A PROACTIVE DEPARTMENT.

IS IT BE, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE CONFINES IN WHICH YOU ARE CREATED? I WOULD SAY YES, WE'RE VERY TRANSACTIONAL.

UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S A BETTER WORD.

TRANSACTIONAL.

YEAH.

YEAH.

UM, SO DEFINITELY THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW HAVE TO GO ACCORDING TO STATE LAW AND, AND THE CITY CODE.

SO YOU HAVE LISTED HERE THAT YOU CAN, UH, THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, I GUESS A MAPPING TOOL, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY EVERY PROPERTY THAT THE CITY HAS.

IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? UM, THE HOPE THAT IT, HOPE IT IS TO BE COMPREHENSIVE.

UM, DEFINITELY WE ARE ALWAYS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ADDING PROPERTIES TO THAT DATABASE.

UM, SO IT CAN DEFINITELY BE ROBUST.

UM, BUT IT IS TO BE THE WAREHOUSE OF CITY PROPERTY.

SO LIKE EVERYTHING, IF I WAS TO SAY RUN ME THAT MAP AND DROP IT OFF IN MY OFFICE, IT WOULD HAVE EVERY REC CENTER, EVERY EVEN JUST A PIECE OF VACANT LAND THAT WE OWN.

YES.

THAT IS THE, THAT IS THE GOAL.

YES.

AND SO WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DOES THE CITY DO WITH THAT INFORMATION?

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UM, I'LL BE HONEST, REALLY IT IS, UM, A TOOL THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY THE PUBLIC QUITE OFTEN JUST TO SEE WHERE CITY PROPERTY, UM, WHERE IT IS.

UM, WE GET A LOT OF REQUESTS, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC ASKING, UH, IS CITY PROPERTY FOR SALE? IS IT AVAILABLE? UM, THEY WANNA KNOW WHAT IS AVAILABLE IN THEIR AREAS.

AND SO IT IS GREAT FOR THE PUBLIC, UM, BUT ALSO GREAT FOR INTERNAL PURPOSES OF, UM, BY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, UM, USING IT FOR THEIR PURPOSES.

SO, UM, IT'S A GREAT MAPPING TOOL.

UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE WANNA SEE WHAT IS NEXT TO SOMETHING THAT WE MAY ALREADY OWN.

UM, AND SO IT JUST HELPS US, UM, LOOK AT THINGS, UM, MORE SO AS A, I GUESS YOU SAID GEOGRAPHICAL, UH, TYPE OF DEAL WHERE IF THERE IS A, A NEED.

SO IS IT BEING USED DURING THE FORWARD DALLAS CONVERSATIONS? AND, AND I'LL TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE WE HAD THIS FIRE STATION THAT IF WE HAD TO REBUILD IT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD DO IT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS.

AND SO THERE'S LIKE CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF DOES IT GO DOWN HERE? DOES IT GO UP HERE? AND THAT THE STREET IS A LIBRARY, YOU KNOW, IS IT A WAY TO COMBINE THEM SO YOU HAVE AND SELL OFF THAT LAND? AND, AND IN OTHER WORDS, HOW DO WE MONETIZE THESE THINGS? HOW DO WE, UH, GET, MAKE OUR, YOU KNOW, ACHIEVE OUR GOALS? I THINK HOW DO WE CHANGE YOUR VISION? HOW DO WE CHANGE YOUR DIRECTION SO THAT WAY YOU LOOK AT IT FROM, IS THIS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE? AND IF YOU CAN'T TURN IT AROUND IN TWO YEARS, THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW TO TURN IT AROUND IN TWO YEARS AND LET'S CHANGE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE INTO, BECAUSE WHEN WE BUILT OUR CITY, WE BUILT IT IN SILOS.

WE HAD X HERE, Y THERE, Z THERE, AND NOW IT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO UNDO THOSE SILOS AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR OWN REAL ESTATE TO START CHANGING THAT.

SO I MEAN, I'D LIKE ASHLEY FOR, TO CHALLENGE YOU THAT IF YOU WERE A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER OR REAL ESTATE CO YOU KNOW, YOU ARE A COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT, HOW WOULD YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO BRING MORE MONEY INTO THE COFFERS? AND IS IT SELL IT, IS IT LEASE IT? IS IT A, UM, IS IT A MIXTURE? IS IT, YOU KNOW, MONETIZING IT BY PUTTING MORE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOUSING UNITS ON TOP? BECAUSE I, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S TRANSACTIONAL AND I THINK A CITY OF THIS SIZE WITH A LOT OF REAL ESTATE AND WE ARE BUILT ON, I MEAN, LET'S JUST FACE IT, WE'RE A REAL ESTATE CITY.

IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND SO I GUESS HOW DO YOU, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW, BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT IT, HOW DO WE EMPOWER YOU AND EVERYBODY SITTING THERE TO LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY IN ORDER TO HELP US MEET A BOTTOM LINE? THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH ALL THIS.

THE SAME, WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION, BUT HOW DO WE, AND IS IT LAWS THAT PROHIBIT US? IS IT OUR OWN SELVES? WHO, WHAT IS STANDING IN OUR WAY TO ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE THAT WAS QUITE A QUESTION.

HOW DO WE BRING OUR TAXES DOWN? WELL, WE'VE GOTTA CHANGE WORKING HOW WE WORK IN THE CITY, AND THAT MEANS WE MAY NEED A MIXED USE COMMUNITY ON OUR OWN PROPERTY WITH ALL OF OUR SERVICES AND SELL OFF THE ONES, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA HA WE'RE THAT IS, IT IS TIME TO LIKE REIMAGINE AND THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX AND BECOME NOT SO BUREAUCRATIC, I GUESS IS THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR IN MORE, LESS TRANSACTIONAL AND MORE, UM, VISIONARY.

SO THAT WAS IN, IN PARTNERING, RIGHT? I MEAN, AS WE, UH, AS WE, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING, LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO PARTNER TO GET THAT MAXIMUM OUTPUT.

THAT WAS IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIRMAN MORENO.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

ASHLEY, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I TRULY SEE THIS AS A BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF OUR VACANT LAND, BUT ALSO SOME OF OUR EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT ARE DECAYING OR FALLING APART.

AND, UH, WITH THAT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THESE PROPERTIES.

BUT I WANT TO, AS WE'RE EXPLORING THESE OPTIONS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT PARKLAND IS TREATED DIFFERENTLY AND THAT WE'LL CONTINUE PROTECTING PUBLIC GREEN SPACE.

AND THERE'S DIFFERENT THRESHOLDS IF WE EVER DID WANNA DEVELOP OR WANNA SELL THOSE PARCELS OF, OF PROPERTY TO, TO PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO YOU MENTIONED THAT WE DO HAVE A DATABASE OR A MASTER LIST OF PROPERTIES.

HOW CAN WE, IS THAT ON THE CITY WEBSITE? HOW DO WE OBTAIN THAT? IT IS ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.

UM, WE COULD, UH, YOU CAN, UH, ACCESS IT THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS, THE REAL ESTATE PAGE.

UM, I CAN ALS I BELIEVE, I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THE, UH, PRESENTATION, BUT YES, IT'S ON THE PUBLIC WORKS WEBSITE.

AND SO HOW DO WE ENCOURAGE OR INCENTIVIZE DEPARTMENTS TO SCRUB THOSE PROPERTIES? UM, AND

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DO WE KNOW WHAT THEY'RE COSTING US CURRENTLY, UM, TO, IF IT'S A VACANT LOT, HOW MUCH IS IT COSTING FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE, FOR UPKEEP? IF IT'S A FACILITY THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO PUT BAND-AIDS ON, DO WE HAVE A AN IDEA OF WHAT THESE PROPERTIES ARE COSTING US? UM, I'M SURE WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.

UM, EACH DEPARTMENT MANAGES AND MAINTAINS, UM, THEIR PORTFOLIO SUCH AS PARKS, WATER, UM, BUT I'M SURE WE COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

GREAT.

AND SO WE MENTIONED THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, DO WE SELL THIS PROPERTY OR DO WE LEASE IT, DO WE PARTNER WITH THE DEVELOPER? IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, SELLING PROCESS, YOU MENTIONED A PUBLIC AUCTION.

CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH THE STEPS OF WHAT FAIR MARKET VALUE LOOKS LIKE? UM, HOW DO WE ANALYZE THE COST OF THESE PROPERTIES? AND DOES ZONING TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IF IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT VERSUS ON A, UM, WETLAND AREA? RIGHT.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS I'LL START FROM THE BEGINNING.

UM, WHEN WE RECEIVE A REQUEST FOR A PROPERTY, UM, WE VET IT THROUGH MULTIPLE CITY DEPARTMENTS, THAT'S HOUSING ECO, UM, ANY DEPARTMENT, UM, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM.

AND WE'RE HOPING FROM THAT FEEDBACK, UM, THAT WE WILL GET EITHER SOME DIRECTION OR GET FEEDBACK ON PERHAPS HOW AND WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

TYPICALLY, OUR ROLE, UM, WE FIND, UH, IS TO PUT IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS.

AND SO IF WE ARE GETTING, UH, FEEDBACK TO DO IT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION OR GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAN WE WILL THAT, UM, I GUESS FROM THERE, IT DEPENDS IF IT GOES THROUGH A PUBLIC AUCTION PROCESS, UM, AFTER IT'S VETTED, IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE US TO FIRST DEEM IT AS SURPLUS AND TO ADVERTISE AND SELL IT, UM, THROUGH A PUBLIC AUCTION PROCESS.

UM, ONCE THE AUCTION TAKES PLACE, THE VALUE THAT IS AT THE AUCTION PER STATE LAW, THAT IS THE MARKET VALUE.

UM, SO JUST DEPENDING ON WHICH DIRECTION WE GO, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOLD AS A DIRECT SALE, AS A PART OF AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, UM, THAT VALUE IS, UM, OBTAINED THROUGH AN APPRAISAL, UM, IF IT'S SOLD DIRECTLY TO A PROPERTY OWNER, THAT'S ALSO OBTAINED THROUGH AN APPRAISAL.

UM, SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE, THE METHODS IN WHICH WE MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THE DISPOSAL.

AND, AND DO THOSE, UH, DOLLARS GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND OR HOW, UH, TOWARDS THE DEPARTMENT THAT OFFLOADED IT? IT DEPENDS.

IF IT'S A GENERAL FUND PROPERTY, YES.

BUT IF IT'S, UH, ENTERPRISE FUND AND IT GOES BACK TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS, UH, WITH THAT, WITH THE, WHEN IT COMES TO ABANDONMENTS, I, I GET QUITE A FEW ABANDONMENTS, UH, THROUGH THE DISTRICT RIGHT NOW.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY TYPICALLY GO BACK THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS US EXPLORE, UH, REINVESTING THAT INTO NEXUS ZONES WITHIN THAT PROPERTY TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, TO IMPROVE SIDEWALKS, TO MAKE THAT PROJECT, UM, STAND OUT MORE TO, IF YOU KNOW FOLKS ARE INVESTING IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, LET'S TRY TO PUT THOSE DOLLARS BACK INTO THAT, UH, GENERAL AREA.

UM, AND WANNA THANK, UH, CHAIRMAN WEST FOR, FOR, UH, REMINDING ME OF, UH, OUR PROPOSAL AND LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE OF, OF LOOKING AT OUR PUBLIC, UH, SAFETY FACILITIES AND PARTNERING WITH DEVELOPERS TO PUT HOUSING ON TOP OF WHETHER IT BE A POLICE STATION OR, OR A FIRE STATION.

UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT, UH, UH, QUITE A BIG ACREAGE IN, IN DEEP DEVELOPMENT, THE BUSINESS CENTER WHERE THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO TRULY CREATE A, A MIXED USE, UH, COMMUNITY.

I MEAN, WE HAVE OVER 20 ACRES THAT WE CAN POTENTIALLY, UH, MAKE INTO A CITY WITHIN A CITY.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WITH THAT.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU CHAIRMAN, UH, FOR THOSE GOOD COMMENTS.

UH, CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSON.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO CAN YOU CONFIRM, ARE YOU ORDERING APPRAISALS ON LAND AND BUILDINGS FOR ANYBODY ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR PUBLIC PROJECT? YES.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN ARE YOU ALSO DOING THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE PURCHASER OF SALE? YES, WE ARE.

OKAY.

AND THEN YOU, ON PAGE 13, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE C B R E CONTRACT.

HOW MANY TIMES THIS YEAR HAVE WE USED THE C B R E CONTRACT? UM, C P R E HAS BEEN USED, UM, A MINIMAL OF TIMES.

WE'VE USED THEM FOR SOME ACQUISITION LEASING SERVICES.

UM, BUT THAT IS PRIMARILY OUR, UM, USE OF THEM.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE USED THEM FOR CONSULTING PURPOSES, UM, BUT FOR US IN REAL ESTATE, UM, PRIMARILY FOR OUR ACQUISITION LEASING AND WHEN THEY'VE USED THEM FOR CONSULTING, HAS IT BEEN TO PURCHASE OR SELL LAND A BUILDING? NO, NO, NO.

UM, MORE SO OF A, UM, UH, A MIX USE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

HOW DO WE, UM, YOU KNOW, MARKET ANALYSIS, FEASIBILITY STUDIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

OKAY.

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AND SO WHEN, WHEN THERE IS A DEPARTMENT THAT COMES TO YOU AND SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO IDENTIFY AN OWNER, WE WANNA ACQUIRE A PIECE OF LAND, OR WE WANNA GET RID OF SOMETHING, WHAT'S AN EXPECTED TIMEFRAME ON THAT? UM, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON JUST, UM, IF, IF WE HAVE A WILLING, UH, IN REGARDS TO THE ACQUISITION SIDE, IF WE HAVE A WILLING SELLER, UM, IT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE TIMING.

UM, OUR GOAL, I GUESS, ONCE WE RECEIVE THE REQUEST, UM, OF COURSE, IS TO IMMEDIATELY ORDER THE APPRAISALS TO MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTALS, UM, MAKING FIRST CONTACT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

UM, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING TO COUNSEL, UM, EVEN IF WE DID NOT HAVE, UM, A, AN AGREEMENT, BUT JUST TO GET THE FIRST OFFER BASED ON THE APPRAISAL TO COUNSEL, UM, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 45 TO 60 DAYS.

UM, IF THAT IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO EVENTUALLY GO.

UM, SOMETIMES WE KNOW THAT, LET ME BACK UP.

SO SOMETIMES WE KNOW THINGS MAY, UM, WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH NEGOTIATIONS.

UM, SO THOSE TYPES OF TRANSACTIONS, WE'LL JUST MOVE IT FORWARD TO THE FIRST ACTION.

SO WE KNOW THAT WE MAY, DURING THAT TIMEFRAME, WE KNOW WE MAY HAVE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL, UM, FOR THE SECOND STEP IF NECESSARY FOR THE IMMINENT DOMAIN.

SO THERE'S JUST A MYRIAD OF, OF STEPS IN, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ACQUISITION PROCESS, UM, TO, UM, FINALIZE, UH, THAT TRANSACTION.

BUT THE GOAL IS TO GET IT TO COUNCIL, UM, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO GO TO ACTUALLY FINALIZE THAT, THAT ACQUISITION, UM, ANYWHERE WITH, YOU KNOW, 60, 45, 60 DAYS, THAT IS OUR GOAL.

IS THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TREATED THE SAME AS ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS? YES.

I MEAN, IT'S IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.

IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT SITUATION HAPPENING.

THEY DO, THEY DO HAVE TO GO TO THE PARK BOARD FIRST, UM, BEFORE WE WILL COME TO COUNCIL.

SO DO YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? ABOUT THE LAND OFF OF FRANKFURT THAT'S TAKEN MORE THAN THREE AND A HALF YEARS TO EVEN IDENTIFY WHO THE OWNER IS? MM-HMM.

.

AND IS THIS THE, I I DON'T WANNA CALL IT OUT DIRECTLY.

UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY OUTSTANDING.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE OUR DIRECTION FROM THE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND, UM, WAIT FOR FEEDBACK IN REGARDS TO IF THEY WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE OFFER THAT IF IT'S A IF THEY ARE, UM, NOT ACCEPTING OUR OFFER, BUT, UH, THEY HAVE, UM, PRESENTED A DIFFERENT, YEAH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

OKAY.

THIS, THIS WAS FOR THE BRIDGE TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE PARK FOR THE SCHOOL.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND AFTER THREE AND A HALF YEARS, Y'ALL WERE NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY THE OWNER AND FINALLY I SAID, I WILL FIND THE OWNER.

OKAY.

AND WITHIN 30 DAYS I DID.

AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE, LIKE IS IT THAT IT BECAME A VERY LOW PRIORITY ITEM? IS IT BECAUSE IT'S A PARK ITEM? IS IT LIKE, IF YOU DON'T MIND IF I COULD GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY.

UM, IT'S NOT COMING TO MIND TO ME AT THE PRESENT, PRESENT MOMENT.

UM, BUT DEFINITELY I COULD LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE FURTHER FOR YOU, ADJACENT TO, UM, D W U LAND.

OKAY, THAT'S FINE.

AND, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE HELP THAT YOU'RE GONNA OFFER, BUT LET'S TRY TO AVOID THE ONE-OFFS IF WE CAN.

YEAH, WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS.

UM, SO WHEN I FIRST UNDERSTOOD THAT REAL ESTATE WAS IN PUBLIC WORKS, I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED.

IS THIS A TRADITIONAL PLACE TO FIND A REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT? IF WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES, WOULD WE FIND REAL ESTATE IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT? HONORABLE CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE? ROBERT PATTIS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER.

UH, CHAIRMAN MENDELSON, YES.

UH, IT'S TRADITIONAL.

I CAN TELL YOU IN SAN ANTONIO, IT'S WITHIN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

UH, I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, FORT WORTH HAS A, UH, LAND MANAGEMENT AND BUILDING SERVICES, UH, GROUP.

UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT AUSTIN OR, OR OTHER MAJOR CITIES, BUT FOR SURE SAN ANTONIO, UH, PUBLIC WORKS IS IN, OR I'M SORRY, REAL ESTATE IS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS.

OKAY.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO CHECK ON SOME OTHER CITIES AS WELL.

UM, I'M, I'M THINKING BACK, UM, SPECIFICALLY WHEN WE WERE PURCHASING HOTELS DURING COVID AND SORT OF THE PROCESS THAT WENT THROUGH WITH THAT, AGAIN, IT SEEMED AWKWARD TO ME THAT IT WOULD BE IN PUBLIC WORKS AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LIKE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR EVEN ANOTHER AREA.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU DEPARTMENTS.

IT'S NOT A PERSON THING.

BUT WHEN I LOOK AT AN ORG CHART, I GO, WOW, THAT'S SO WEIRD THAT IT'S THERE.

SO, UM, THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

TWO PARTICULAR ITEMS, ITEMS, UH, THE FAMILY GATEWAY RECENTLY VACATED THEIR PROPERTY DOWNTOWN.

AT THIS POINT, DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS? WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS TO EITHER GET A NEW TENANT OR TO REPURPOSE

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THAT FACILITY? UM, SO CURRENTLY WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS NOW.

WE WILL HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL, UM, PRETTY SOON TO DO A, UM, TERMINATION OF THE EXISTING LEASE.

UM, WHILE THAT IS HAPPENING, WE WILL COORDINATE OUR EFFORTS WITH, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT APARTMENTS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HOUSING, UM, WHERE WE CAN THEN, UM, PUT A PLAN IN PLACE OF HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.

COOL.

AND LASTLY, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT PROPERTIES AND SURPLUS LAND.

DOES THIS INCLUDE PARKING GARAGES AS WELL ON THAT LIST? YES, IT SHOULD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

AND, UM, GREAT JOB.

AND JUST IN CLOSING, JUST A COUPLE THINGS THAT COME TO MIND IS CHAIR MENDELSSOHN'S COMMENT ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE DEPARTMENT'S PLACED, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KIND OF SHOWS SORT OF THE MINDSET OF THIS BEING A TRANSACTIONAL, UM, DEPARTMENT.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S YOUR MISSION, THAT'S WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF IT.

UM, IF THIS DEPARTMENT WAS UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IT WOULD BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOCUSED HOUSING.

IT WOULD BE HOUSING FOCUSED, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER IT'S PLACED, IT'S GONNA BE FOCUSED ON THAT.

RIGHT.

AND STRATEGICALLY, THERE'S NOT THAT I KNOW OF AN OFFICE OF LIKE STRATEGIC THINKING OR PLANNING AND, AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S, IF THERE WAS ONE, THAT'S WHERE THIS SHOULD GO BECAUSE IT, YOU GOT THE TRANSACTIONAL PIECE.

BUT WHAT FRUSTRATES ME IS WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT STRATEGIC PIECE TO GO ALONG WITH IT.

UM, AND, AND THEN THE POLITICAL REALITY IS, YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE COOL CONCEPTS OF PUTTING HOUSING ON TOP OF A FIRE STATION OR A LIBRARY ON TOP OF A REC CENTER, IF YOU DO THAT, YOU'RE EITHER GONNA NEED A COUNCIL MEMBER TO CARRY THAT THROUGH BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA GET, GOTTA GET PAST ALL THE COMMUNITY PUSHBACK AND EDUCATION AND ALL THAT.

STAFF CAN'T GET IT DONE WITHOUT OUR SUPPORT.

OR YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE A BUNCH OF DATA THAT'S PRESENTED TO YOU THAT IT'S JUST IN, IN NON REFUTABLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA SAY, YOU'VE GOT TO DO THIS, OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA MEET YOUR HOUSING GOALS, OR YOU'RE NOT GONNA MEET, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GIVE TAXPAYERS RELIEF.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE GAP WE, WE, WE NEED TO FILL.

AND AS I TALK THROUGH THIS, LIKE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF STRATEGIC VISIONING, UM, TO GIVE US ADVICE AND GIVE US, FRANKLY, POLITICAL COVER TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M OKAY PUTTING EIGHT STORIES OF HOUSING ON TOP OF THE NORTH OAK CLIFF LIBRARY REDO BECAUSE WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD MUSCLE THAT THROUGH MY DISTRICT IF I NEEDED TO, BUT IF I HAD STAFF TELLING ME, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, YOU, IF YOU'RE EVER GONNA MEET HOUSING GOALS, IT, IT GIVES ME THE COVER.

AND I THINK THAT'S REFLECTIVE OF A LOT OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS IN OUR CITY.

SO, CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, SIR, I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE, ARE HAPPENING AT, AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS UP TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CO-LOCATING OUR LIBRARY OR THE FIRE STATION.

UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, DOING THE MIXED USE WITH HOUSING AND, AND A LIBRARY.

UM, AND, AND SO YES, I, I, I DO WANT TO, UH, SHARE WITH YOU THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING.

WE, WE DO UNDERSTAND, UH, TO THE VICE CHAIR'S, UH, POINT, UM, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF BREAKING THE SILOS.

AND SO, UM, THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING.

UM, AND, UH, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB ABOUT SHARING, UH, THOSE THOUGHTS WITH, UH, WITH COMMITTEES SUCH AS THESE.

AND WE HAVE TO HELP YOU BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO IT ALONE IF WE DON'T GIVE YOU THE COVER AND, AND THE SUPPORT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT GREAT JOB.

AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN SOON 'CAUSE WE GOTTA KEEP THIS DISCUSSION GOING.

THANKS.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA TAKE ITEM H AND SO OUR, UH, CITY SECRETARY CAN GET BACK TO WORK.

I ASSUME YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT, RIGHT? , UH, COME ON UP HERE AND THEN WE'LL GO DOWN IN ORDER AFTER THAT.

I CHANNELED, I'LL LET YOU TAKE THIS.

OKAY.

I'M GONNA DEFER TO VICE CHAIR BLACKMAN WHO'S TAKING THIS ITEM ON.

OH, I, I WAS CHANNELING, UM, FOR LEE KLEINMAN AS HE KIND OF MOVES EVERYTHING, SO IT KIND OF GETS CONCISE.

SO THERE'S NOT LIKE ONE-OFF MEETINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING.

UM, SO LIKE JANUARY 1ST THROUGH THE FIFTH IS, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO CANCEL A BRIEFING OR DO WE LEAVE IT ON THERE AND POSSIBLY CANCEL AND ONLY BECAUSE ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE AND THE WEEK OF CHRISTMAS, YOU HAVE TO GET READY TO POST STUFF AND THEN WE'RE OFF ON MONDAY.

SO IF ANYTHING HAPPENS, SOMEBODY COULD BE WORKING OVER THE HOLIDAY.

AND IT JUST SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE UNFAIR, JUST A THOUGHT TO TAKE THE THIRD BRIEFING OFF.

UM, AND I MEAN, IF ANYBODY SAYS NO, THEN THAT'S FINE TOO, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING AT, BECAUSE THE CITY WILL BE SHUT DOWN PROBABLY.

I MEAN, NOT SHUT DOWN, BUT THERE'LL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON VACATION THAT WEEK BETWEEN

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CHRISTMAS AND NEW YEAR, NEW YEAR'S, AND THAT IT, IT JUST SEEMS, IF WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT THEN MAYBE NOT.

'CAUSE I KNOW WE CANCELED OUR FIRST AUGUST BRIEFING OF A FULL COUNCIL AFTER WE CAME BACK FROM, UH, RECESS IN JULY.

SO JUST A THOUGHT ON THAT POINT OF INFORMATION.

UM, IT, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE GONNA DO SOME VERY SPECIFIC, UM, ITEMS, WHICH I APPRECIATE AND IS IMPORTANT FOR THIS.

BUT I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD MAYBE ASK SOME HIGHER LEVEL QUESTIONS BEFORE YOU GO THERE.

'CAUSE IT MIGHT INTERFERE OR AFFECT THAT.

OKAY.

WOULD THAT BE ALL RIGHT? SURE.

I'LL DEFER TO, I I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, REALLY, I GUESS MY COMMENT IS, UM, I ONLY RECENTLY LEARNED THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY, UM, THE THREE OF US WERE ELECTED IN 2019, THAT, UM, CARRIE ROGERS RANDOMLY ASSIGNED A DAY AND TIME FOR EACH OF OUR COMMITTEE MEETINGS.

IT, IT WASN'T THOUGHT OF IN A STRATEGIC WAY, IT WAS JUST PUT AS A PLACEHOLDER.

HERE IT IS.

AND THEN LEFT TO US IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE IT.

AND OF COURSE, PRIOR TO OUR ELECTION, THE MEETINGS WERE HELD TWICE A MONTH FOR COMMITTEES.

SO IT WAS A PRETTY BIG CHANGE.

AND SO MY QUESTION, UH, WAS ABOUT LIKE, WELL, HOW DID THIS COMMITTEE END UP, UM, THIS DAY AT THIS TIME? AND THE ANSWER WAS, WELL, YOU COULD JUST CHANGE IT IF YOU WANT.

AND SO, UM, SO WITH THAT THOUGHT IN MIND, I WOULD, UM, LOVE TO CHANGE WHEN PUBLIC SAFETY IS HELD.

AND SO RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SECOND MONDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT ONE O'CLOCK.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO EITHER MOVE IT TO THE NEXT TUESDAY, THE SECOND TUESDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK OR THE FIRST TUESDAY AT NINE O'CLOCK.

AND IF WE DO THAT, THERE'S A ONE OR TWO THINGS THAT INTERFERES WITH, AND I MEAN, I THINK WE, WE GO ALL THE WAY TO APRIL BEFORE WE HAVE A MONTH WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A MONDAY THAT'S GOT A HOLIDAY.

SO LIKE ALL OF THE MONTHS ARE A LITTLE BIT WEIRD.

UM, SO JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, UM, PREVIOUSLY WE HAVE THE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.

THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN TAKING PUBLIC SAFETY AND SPLITTING IT INTO TWO MEETINGS LIKE PART A AND PART B ON DIFFERENT DAYS.

ONE THAT COULD FOCUS MORE ON POLICING, ONE MORE ON FIRE.

AND THEN OF COURSE EVERYTHING ELSE COULD GO EITHER WAY.

BUT WHAT'S THE MECHANISM FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? UM, I'M GONNA DEFER TO STAFF ON THAT ONE.

LIKE IF, OR I'M NOT SURE, CARRIE, WOULD YOU OR NIKKI? UM, SO THE DISCUSSION, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION.

UM, THE MECHANISM THAT I'M NOT SURE OF, WE DID, I WAS JUST FOLLOWING THE, THE PROTOCOL THAT WE'VE DONE IN PREVIOUS YEARS, UM, FOR THE CALENDAR.

CAN YOU SPEAK UP OR MOVE THE MIC JUST A LITTLE CLOSER? THANK YOU.

YES.

SO I'M, I WAS NOT SURE OF THE PROTOCOL.

I WAS FOLLOWING THE, THE STANDARD THAT HAD BEEN SET FOR PREVIOUS YEARS.

UM, BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS CHANGING THE ACTUAL PUBLIC MEETING TIMES, UM, FOR THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE CAN DO THAT.

WELL, AND I JUST WOULD SAY, I'M NOT SURE IF OTHER CHAIRS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT BEFORE.

AND I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT BECAUSE I SAT THROUGH SO MANY PUBLIC SAFETY MEETINGS AND WE WOULD HAVE A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE AND D P D WOULD PRESENT AND WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN FOLKS FROM FIRE AND WE WOULDN'T EVEN GET TO THEIR ITEMS AND THEY WOULD'VE SPENT THREE AND A HALF HOURS SITTING THERE.

AND I'M LIKE, WOW, WE NEED TO LIKE FLIP IT.

WE NEED, BUT THEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET TO THE POLICE ITEMS ALSO.

SO I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE MAKE THE MEETING SHORTER, BUT DO 'EM TWICE LIKE WE USED TO.

SO ARE YOU PROPOSING TO DO PUBLIC SAFETY TWICE IN A MONTH? PERHAPS? I MEAN, I MEAN, YOU'RE THE CHAIR, SO, YEAH, I MEAN, WELL, IT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO TALK TO THE COMMITTEE ABOUT, BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A FRAMEWORK OR YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU WERE AT ON HOW THIS PROCESS WOULD GO AND NO, I JUST LOOKED AT WHAT WAS GIVEN AND GAVE FEEDBACK , BUT I MEAN, BUT I, I THINK THERE WAS, I THINK AT ONE TIME THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY DID HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY TWICE.

YES.

A MONTH.

AND, AND I KNOW CARRIE AND I HAD SPOKEN THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE NOT EVERY COMMITTEE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, RIGHT? LIKE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU ONLY WANNA DO G P F M ONCE, BUT MAYBE PUBLIC SAFETY YOU WANNA DO TWICE.

MAYBE HOUSING WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE FOCUSED ON THE HOUSING SIDE EARLIER IN THE MONTH AND HOMELESSNESS LATER IN THE MONTH.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S QUITE A FEW COMMITTEES THAT HAVE MULTIPLE TOPICS THAT COULD STAND ON THEIR OWN IF THERE WAS, UM, IF, IF THAT THERE WAS THAT OPPORTUNITY.

SO ANYHOW, I JUST, I JUST WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE FRAMEWORK WAS FOR GOING FORWARD.

AND CERTAINLY I APPRECIATE HAVING THE MATERIAL THAT LIKE, IT'S SO MUCH EASIER TO JUST TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE AND LET'S MAKE THE

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LITTLE ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT I JUST WANNA TAKE A PAUSE TO SAY, WOW, I MIGHT WANNA THINK ABOUT THIS, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.

UM, AND I'LL JUMP IN IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UH, VICE CHAIR IS, UH, I'M OPEN TO THAT.

JUST, UH, I DO WANT TO GO THROUGH AND DO THESE, THESE MORE SMALLER ONES, SMALLER DETAILS, THE SMALLER DETAIL CUTS TODAY.

AND THEN WHEN DO YOU NEED TO KNOW FROM US, LIKE IF THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS WENT BACK TO THEIR COMMITTEES AND ASKED THEM WHAT THEY THOUGHT, LIKE WHEN DO YOU NEED THIS? IDEALLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, OF COURSE.

BUT LIKE IF WE BROUGHT THIS BACK NEXT MONTH, WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT? UM, IT IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO FULL COUNSEL ON OCTOBER 11TH, BUT WE CAN CHANGE THAT.

I CAN WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO GET THAT CHANGED IF NEEDED.

UM, SO I WOULD, YEAH, I WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY NEED TO KNOW BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, ACTUALLY BY SEPTEMBER 29TH.

OKAY.

THEN WE'LL, CAN YOU LET THE OTHER COMMITTEE CHAIRS KNOW IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEIR PROPOSED SCHEDULE THAT YOU'VE PUT, THAT YOU'VE PUT TOGETHER AS A DRAFT? WE NEED TO KNOW BY THE END OF THIS MONTH, LIKE THE 30TH.

UM, AND I'LL JUST TELL YOU FOR G P F M, WE'RE STICKING WITH IT.

AND, UM, FOR OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE, UM, I THINK I CAN, I'LL SPEAK FOR THE COMMITTEE ON THAT ONE.

, NO OFFENSE GUYS.

UH, I'M GONNA KEEP IT SIMPLE, BUT, UH, FOR, UM, OTHER COMMITTEES THERE, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE OTHER NEEDS, SO, OKAY.

OKAY.

AND BACK TO YOU.

BUT YEAH, I MEAN I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO LOOK AT HOW TO RESHUFFLE THE, I WAS JUST GOING BY WHAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.

'CAUSE I KNOW LIKE ON THE 28TH OF OCTOBER, WE HAVE ONE COMMITTEE, COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEETING, IF WE COULD MOVE IT TO THE 22ND, THAT WAY THAT FULL WEEK IS COMPLETELY OFF.

AND THOSE ARE JUST THE, THE ONES THAT I SUGGESTIONS TO INCORPORATE.

OKAY.

SO WE WILL, UM, AMEND THE CALENDAR.

I'LL SEND OUT THE COMMUNICATION TO ALL OF THE COMMITTEE CHAIRS AND THEN ALSO, UM, SEND A, A AMENDED DRAFT TO YOU ALL.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY NO RESPONSE BY SEPTEMBER 30TH MEANS ARE GOOD WITH WHAT YOU'VE DRAFTED.

UM, CHAIRMAN MORENO, THANK YOU.

UM, I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVING TWO MEETINGS WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS.

THEY'RE TWO VERY BIG IMPORTANT TOPICS.

UH, LOGISTICALLY THOUGH, I WOULD WANNA KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND AD HOC COMMITTEES AT THAT I WOULD, WITH THE PROPOSAL OF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THIS? I WOULD LIKE A, UM, FORMULA ON HOW WE CAN MAKE ALL THOSE CALENDAR ADJUSTMENTS WORK.

UM, I JUST SEE THE POTENTIAL OF A LOT OF OVERLAP WITH NOT ONLY COMMITTEES, BUT IF THERE'S A COMMITTEE MEMBER ON ONE AND THERE HAPPENS TO BE ANOTHER ONE AT THE SAME TIME, UH, WANNA JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, ARE ABLE TO LOGISTICALLY WORK IT OUT.

BUT I, I AM OPEN TO THAT SUGGESTION.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.

THANK YOU.

ITEM D IS OUR TECHNOLOGY ACCOUNTABILITY REPORT.

UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S A ITEM IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

UH, WE GOT A STAFF MEMBER.

IT'S SO FUN NOT TO BE THE CHAIR OF THIS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UH, GO AHEAD.

I ONLY HAVE ONE ITEM.

SO, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RANSOMWARE EVENT, YOU HAD SHOWED ME AN ENORMOUS PAPER THAT, UM, WAS A VISUAL REPRESENTATION OR MAP REALLY OF ALL THE DIFFERENT, UH, COMPUTER SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE AND WHO'S TALKING TO WHO.

AND, AND I RECALL YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE IN EXCESS OF 6,000 SYSTEMS. SO GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR WEST AND HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE, BILL ZELENSKY, CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER.

SO THE WORK THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS WE, UH, PROCURED THE SERVICES OF A COMPANY CALLED IT CADRE TO COMPLETE A COMPREHENSIVE INVENTORY OF ALL OF THE CITY'S, UH, TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS AND SERVICES.

UM, IT, IT IS A VERY LARGE CHART.

IT IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 70 FEET LONG.

IT'S 864 SYSTEMS THAT WERE DOCUMENTED, 864 SYSTEMS. SO IN THAT, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSOLIDATE THAT? I THINK YOU AND I WERE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT VARIOUS, UM, PAYMENT MODULES THAT, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WERE USING THAT.

WOW.

WHAT IF WE ONLY HAD ONE PAYMENT MODULE OR, OR MAYBE JUST EVEN TWO.

UM, IS THERE A SPECIFIC EFFORT TO DO THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD ALLOW GREATER SECURITY

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EFFICIENCY REDUCTION IN COSTS TRAINING? I COULD GO ON.

THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

CHAIRMAN MENDELSON, IN FACT, UM, WE ARE DOING A COMPLETE REVIEW OF ALL OF THOSE APPLICATIONS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID IN ESTABLISHING THAT INVENTORY IS WE DID CHARACTERIZE THE FUNCTION OR THE, THE BUSINESS SERVICES THAT ARE PERFORMED BY EACH OF THOSE SERVICES.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SYSTEMS THAT ARE, UH, DUPLICATIVE IN NATURE ON THE SURFACE WHEN YOU DEFINE THEM AT THAT HIGH LEVEL.

AND WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF SHOWING WHERE WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSOLIDATION.

YOU MENTIONED ONE IN PARTICULAR, WHICH IS PAYMENT SYSTEMS. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF PAYMENT SYSTEMS ACROSS THE CITY USED BY VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS, AND THERE WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CONSOLIDATE DOWN TO A FEWER NUMBER OF SYSTEMS FOR EXACTLY THOSE REASONS THAT YOU CITE.

UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD LESSEN THE COMPLEXITY IN OUR ENVIRONMENT.

IT WOULD MAKE THEM MORE MAINTAINABLE, IT WOULD LOWER THE NUMBER OF CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT A SIMILAR FUNCTION.

IT WOULD IMPROVE THE SECURITY.

AND AGAIN, I COULD ALSO GO ON ON WITH, WITH THE BENEFITS THAT WOULD BE DERIVED FROM DOING SO.

OKAY.

AND WHAT'S YOUR TIMELINE FOR THAT EFFORT? SO, UM, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THAT, OF ANALYSIS NOW.

WE EXPECT THAT AS WE GET INTO THE DECEMBER TIMEFRAME, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION BACK TO THE COMMITTEE.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, I'M FORGETTING THE WORD RIGHT NOW.

WHAT IS THE NAME OF OUR FIRE SYSTEM THAT ALERTS THIS? THE FIREHOUSE? YEAH, THE, THE, THE VENDOR.

OH, NOW I'M FORGETTING IT AS WELL.

IT'S, UH, THE FIRE STATION ALERTING SYSTEM.

AND I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M THE NAME OF THE VENDOR PRODUCT THAT IT'S REFERRED, REFERRED TO.

I'M NOT REMEMBERING, BUT IT'S THE FIRE STATION ALERTING SYSTEM IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

AND WASN'T THAT SUPPOSED TO BE COMING TO COUNCIL BY OCTOBER? IS THAT STILL SCHEDULE? YEAH, SO, SO THE, WE DID RELEASE THE REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVELY SEALED PROPOSALS, UM, THAT WAS EXTENDED BASED UPON REQUEST FROM THE VENDORS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS IT RELATES TO THE, UM, THE FLOOR PLANS, THE, THE ACTUAL DIAGRAMS OF THE, THE STATION HOUSES THEMSELVES.

AS YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, FIRE STATIONS WHICH ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER AND FOR UM, THIS PROGRAM, UM, THEY NEEDED THAT INFORMATION IN TERMS OF THE WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE LO DONE.

LOCUS LO, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

LOCUTION.

CORRECT.

THEY'RE THE VENDOR AND SO WE CALL IT THE LOCATION SYSTEM.

UM, AND SO THAT WAS EXTENDED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH.

SO WE WILL CLOSE THE, UH, REQUEST FOR COMPETITIVELY SEALED PROPOSALS ON SEPTEMBER 30TH AND THEN CONDUCT THE, UH, TECHNICAL EVALUATION.

I DON'T HAVE, UH, IN FRONT OF ME THE EXACT DATE WHEN WE WOULD EXPECT TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL, BUT IT HAS BEEN EXTENDED AS A RESULT OF THE REQUEST BY THE VENDORS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND TIME TO PROPOSE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THOSE ARE ALL MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU CHAIRWOMAN.

ANYBODY ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

WE ARE MOVING ON TO ITEM F, OUR QUARTERLY INVESTMENT REPORT.

UM, ARE THERE QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? I HAVE ONE, UH, ONE QUESTION ON THIS ONE IF WE CAN GET THE CONTROLLER.

AND THEN NEXT IS ITEM G.

UM, LET'S SEE THE AUDITOR BRIEFING AND INTERNAL AUDIT REPORTS.

GOOD AFTERNOON.

UM, JENNY KURTZMAN, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF TREASURY.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU.

SO I WAS GONNA, UM, JUST ASK YOU ABOUT THE, UM, THE INTEREST EARNED, UM, LOOKING GOOD.

UM, SO 31 MILLION FOR THIRD QUARTER, 25.5 AND SECOND QUARTER.

AND SO MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU ARE ABOUT PROJECTIONS YOU HAVE GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR 24.

UH, YES.

UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, IT'S MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, TO COVER ALL DEBT SERVICE, UH, FOR THE UPCOMING YEARS.

AND THE RATES CONTINUE TO STAY VERY STEADY.

UM, WE ARE HOPING TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS YEAR, UM, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE, UM, THE FED, IT'S NOT LOOKING INTO INCREASING.

UM, MAYBE JUST ONE MORE TIME AND THEN THEY'LL PROBABLY PIVOT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

UM, SO IT SHOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE.

UM, WE ARE EXPECTING A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS, SO THAT WILL PUT US A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

MIGHT MAKE A, A BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, BUT NOT THAT MUCH MORE.

SO I'M SORRY I DIDN'T BRING MY NOTES TODAY WHEN I WAS LOOKING THIS OVER.

UM, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT WE HAD EITHER FOUR OR 14 MILLION EXTRA IN INTEREST REVENUE YES.

FOR 24, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

DO YOU REMEMBER IF IT WAS FOUR OR 14? YES.

UH, WE ARE ESTIMATING TO FINISH AS OF 8 31.

UM, WELL WE JUST FINISHED 8 31, THE NUMBERS SHOULD BE AROUND 14 MILLION

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AND THEN WE ARE EXPECTING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN SEPTEMBER.

SO, UM, WE SHOULD FINISH CLOSE TO 18 IN THE GENERAL FUND.

OKAY.

SO, SO IT'S PROBABLY THEN THE 4 MILLION INCREASE IN INTEREST REVENUE FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, AND YOU DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED GIVEN THE STRENGTH OF, OF WHERE YOU'RE AT? NO.

OKAY.

I THINK WE ARE PRETTY, PRETTY SURE.

WE'LL, WE'LL MEET THAT NUMBER.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

NOBODY ELSE, RIGHT? OKAY, WE'RE GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

UH, SORRY ABOUT THAT MS. CITY SECRETARY.

I WOULD'VE CALLED THIS ONE EARLIER, BUT ITEM G IS THE ACTUAL ITEM YOU'RE HERE FOR, UH, THE OFFICE OF CITY AUDITOR BRIEFING AND INTERNAL AUDIT REPORTS IS, THERE'S A QUESTION, RIGHT? DID ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION? THERE'S NO QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

WELL THEN I'LL JUST COMMEND Y'ALL FOR THE WORK YOU DID ON THE ELECTION PAYMENT.

I MEAN, I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A CRAZY YEAR FOR YOU DEALING WITH THAT AND UM, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE HAD SOME TEST TENSE CONVERSATIONS AND, UM, DONE A LOT OF WORK AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO BOTH OF YOU FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, NEXT IS ITEM I, THE, UM, UPCOMING AGENDA ITEM ON THE ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING DEBT ISSUANCE FOR K BAILEY HUTCHINSON CONVENTION CENTER, MASTER PLAN, AND FAIR PARK IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH IS SET FOR SEPTEMBER 27TH.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD TO GO.

WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE G P M FORECAST, ITEM J UM, AND SO ON THIS ONE, IT'S REALLY JUST AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO GO THROUGH.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANTED TO, DIDN'T GET TO OFFICIALLY THANK CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSSOHN FOR HER TWO YEARS OF SERVICE AS G P F M CHAIR.

UH, HAPPY THREE YEARS, THREE YEARS OF SERVICE, HAPPY TO BE IN THIS SEAT AND GLAD TO HAVE, UM, OUR SMALL BUT MIGHTY COMMITTEE HERE, UH, TO WORK WITH STAFF AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND JACK TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET TOO FAR OFF TRACK AND, UM, LOST IN THE SEA OF NUMBERS.

SO I'M GLAD TO BE HERE AND TO WORK WITH EVERYONE WHO'S ON OUR TEAM.

UM, IN TERMS OF OUR FORECAST, IT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SET AS THE LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, JUST LIKE CHAIRMAN MENDELSON HAD SAID IT.

UM, ITEM J WE'VE GOT HERE, IT APPEARS TO BE THROUGH NOVEMBER, THANKS TO, UH, JACK IRELAND AND HIS TEAM FOR GETTING THAT ON HERE.

STANDARD THINGS YOU'RE GONNA SEE ON OUR AGENDA EVERY MONTH ARE THE SAME AS THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN.

BUDGET ACCOUNTABILITY REPORTS, AUDIT UPDATES, TECHNOLOGY REPORTS, AND, AND SOME OF THE JUST GENERAL OTHER MONEY RELATED ITEMS. WE ALSO WILL KEEP SOME LEVEL OF REPORTING FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES ON HERE WITH, TO BE DETERMINED.

UM, CERTAINLY THE FLOW CHART'S GONNA BE DISCUSSED, UH, MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN I'VE ALREADY GOTTEN REQUESTS IN FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, WELL, , ONE OF THEM'S FROM ME AND MYSELF, AND THAT'S ON HAVING A, A REAL ESTATE REVIEW ON HERE REGULARLY ON US COMBING THROUGH OUR FI 50,000 ACRES IN THE CITY OF REAL ESTATE AND JUST PUTTING OUR EYES ON THAT.

AND THEN I'VE BEEN ASKED BY MULTIPLE COUNCIL MEMBERS AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS TO REALLY GO THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT AND, UM, ESPECIALLY STARTING WITH THE ONES WHERE WE'VE HAD BUDGET AMENDMENTS ON, UM, TO REALLY UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY DO, UNDERSTAND HOW MANY FOLKS ARE WORKING, WORKING VIRTUAL VERSUS IN PERSON, HOW BUDGET INCREASES OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, ALL THAT STUFF.

AND SO I ANTICIPATE, UM, THAT BEING A REGULAR OCCURRENCE FOR THE ENTIRE, EVERY, EVERY MONTH, A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT ON THERE.

AND SO NOW THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR US TO, IF YOU HAVE OTHER SUGGESTIONS, I'M TAKING NOTES.

UH, SEE ONE LIGHT, UM, CHAIR.

THE ONE THING THAT I WISHED I HAD HAD TIME TO DO AND INTENDED TO DO, UM, WAS TO ASK FOR DEPARTMENTS TO PROVIDE THEIR BUDGET IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT, WHICH IS TO DO IT PROGRAMMATICALLY.

SO I HAVE A FEELING THAT THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF PROGRAMS, EITHER WE DON'T KNOW OR WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S A SEPARATE PROGRAM AND IT MIGHT HELP US EVALUATE WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANNA CONTINUE, EXPAND, DECREASE, ELIMINATE, UM, AND THAT MIGHT GET TO THE GENERAL IDEA THAT MANY OF US HAVE HAD ABOUT SUNSET, BUT NOT IN TERMS OF ELIMINATING A DEPARTMENT, BUT IN TERMS OF ARE THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE BEING WORKED ON NOW, THE ONES THAT WE ACTUALLY WANNA PRIORITIZE.

SO THAT WOULD JUST BE A SUGGESTION TO YOU.

YOU'RE GONNA DO A GREAT JOB.

YOU ALREADY ARE.

AND, UM, I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE CHAIR.

YEAH, NOT TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT.

SO IF WE DON'T

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WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO, BUT THERE'S, UM, IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY SEND THEM TO ME AND, UM, WE CAN GET, GET THEM TEED UP FOR FUTURE G P F M MEETINGS.

THAT BEING SAID, IT IS 2 33 AND THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.