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GOOD EVENING

[Citizen Homeless Commission on September 14, 2023.]

EVERYONE.

THIS IS RENITA GRIGGS, THE BOARD CO COORDINATOR FOR THE CITIZENS HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER THE 14TH.

IT'S CURRENTLY 3:11 PM PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THIS MEETING IS NOW BEING RECORDED.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS FACE VIEW AT ALL TIMES TO BE COUNTED.

PRESENT IN THIS MEETING AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO THE CHAIR.

DAVID KING, GO AHEAD PLEASE.

THANK YOU, RENITA.

UM, THE MEETING IS CALLED THE ORDER THREE 11.

UH, WE CALL FOR A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.

THANK, YOU'LL DO THAT.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE PRESENT.

DISTRICT ONE, COMMISSIONER.

KEYS PRESENT.

DISTRICT TWO.

COMMISSIONER GARNER.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT THREE, COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR OWENS PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT FOUR, COMMISSIONER HAWK.

PRESENT VIA REMOTE.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT FIVE.

COMMISSIONER SANTOS.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT EIGHT, CHAIR.

KEY PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER SHEEN.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER SHELENE.

PRESENT.

I'M HERE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

HMM.

DISTRICT 11.

COMMISSIONER KATHA.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER JACOB? PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER SMITH.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER SILHAN.

PRESENT CHAIR.

YOU HAVE DISTRICT SIX, NINE, AND 15 BACON.

YOU HAVE A A QUORUM.

YOU MAY PROCEED.

THANK YOU RENITA.

OKAY.

UM, MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO, PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS TODAY? WE DO NOT HAVE ANY REGISTERED SPEAKERS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK AND DECLARE LEGAL NOTICE POSTED AND MEETING DULY CALL ON THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

MOVING ON TO ITEM THREE, APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST 10TH, 2023 MINUTES.

UH, LET ME CALL FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE.

A MOTION TO APPROVE.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER SILHAN.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? I BELIEVE THAT'S A SECOND FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER JACOB.

UH, SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 10TH, 2023.

ANY DISCUSSION? I THINK THAT THE SECOND CAME FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER KEYS.

YEAH, IT WAS ME.

APOLOGIES.

APOLOGIES.

IT'S GOOD.

YEAH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SEE YOU GUYS.

OKAY, LET'S CHANGE THAT TO COMMISSIONER KEYS.

PROVIDED THE SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE? I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? HEARING? NONE OPPOSED THE, UH, MOTION PASSES.

THE, UM, AUGUST 10TH, 20, 23 MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

OKAY.

ON TO ITEM FOUR, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS, BUDGET LISTENING SESSION.

UH, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM OUR DIRECTOR, CHRISTINE CROSLEY.

UH, DIRECTOR CROSLEY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR KING.

UH, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.

CHRISTINE CROSLEY, OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS DIRECTOR.

UM, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY.

THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF BUDGET DELIBERATIONS WITH THE CITY.

SO WE REALLY WANTED TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE HEART OF WHAT HAS, UH, THUS FAR BEEN APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND WHAT THAT WILL DO FOR O H SS, KNOWING THAT THERE COULD BE MORE AMENDMENTS ON THE 20TH WHEN THEY WILL DO, UH, IN THEORY, THE FINAL BUDGET.

SO, UH, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'RE JUST GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUDGET DEVELOPED PROCESS, WHICH I JUST DID, AND THE O H SS PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2024 BUDGET.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS IS JUST A REHASH OF, UH, OUR FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE CALENDAR YEAR.

WE GO FROM OCTOBER 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 30TH OF THE NEXT YEAR.

UM, AND EVERY SPRING THE CITY MANAGER STARTS WORKING WITH DEVELOPMENT DIRECTORS.

IT'S ACTUALLY CLOSER TO JANUARY, FEBRUARY ON WHAT DEPARTMENTS WILL NEED, UH, TO DEVELOP THE BUDGET.

THIS YEAR.

FOR THE FIRST YEAR EVER, THOSE WENT, UH, THAT

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DIDN'T GO TO, UM, COMMUNITIES, BUT IN MARCH, UH, CITY COUNCIL OFFICES HELD BUDGET TOWN HALL HEARINGS WITH MEMBERS ACROSS THE CITY.

NOT TO REFLECT ON THE NEW BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PRESENTED UNTIL AUGUST 1ST, BUT TO GET A GOOD SENSE OF WHAT PEOPLE NEEDED EARLIER IN THE YEAR SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE MORE INPUT ON THE CREATION OF THE BUDGET ON THE FRONT END.

UM, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR.

IT HASN'T CHANGED, I CAN SAY IT WAS ACTUALLY, I, I FOUND IT TO BE, UM, VERY INTERESTING AND VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THAT EARLIER INTERACTION.

UM, AND THEN THE CITY HALL BUDGET IS THEN PRESENTED, UH, ON AUGUST 8TH TO CITY COUNCIL.

AND AS I SAID, CITY COUNCIL MAKES THEIR AMENDMENTS, UH, KNOWN AT THE FIRST, WHEN WAS THAT? THAT WAS THE SIXTH.

SO OUR FIRST BUDGET AMENDMENT SESSION WAS, UH, LAST WEDNESDAY, WENT UNTIL ABOUT NINE 30 AT NIGHT.

UM, WITH ALL OF THE VARIOUS BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT WERE DISCUSSED, DEBATED, PASSED, NOT PASSED.

UM, AND THEN THIS COMING WEDNESDAY, THERE WILL BE, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS ARE DUE, I BELIEVE BY END OF DAY TODAY TO THE BUDGET OFFICE.

I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GONNA BE SHARED PUBLICLY BEFORE THE DAY OF.

UM, I'M NOT IN THE BUDGET OFFICE, BUT WE WILL THEN DELIBERATE THOSE ON THE 20TH.

AND THEN THE FINAL BUDGET WILL BE VOTED ON BEFORE THE END OF THE NIGHT BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND FISCAL YEAR WILL BEGIN OCTOBER ONE.

AND OF COURSE, AS WITH ANYTHING, ONCE THE POLICIES AND THE, ONCE THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, IT WILL TAKE A MINUTE FOR EVERYTHING TO ON RAMP IN OCTOBER, ONCE THE FUNDING'S APPROVED, THE POLICIES AND THE MECHANISMS FOR THAT FUNDING TO BE USED HAVE TO BE CREATED.

THEY GO THROUGH THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR VETTING.

THEY GO TO PROCUREMENT.

SO IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE MONIES IN THE BANK TYPE SITUATION.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S DONE LEGALLY AND BY PROCESS.

OKAY, WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS YEAR YOU WILL NOT SEE ACROSS ANY DEPARTMENTS AS MANY, UM, AS MANY ENHANCEMENTS.

AND I, I THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE THAT THAT IS, UH, BECAUSE WE ARE, ARE KIND OF PULLING BACK.

UM, AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS MADE A, A, AN INCREASINGLY CONSERVATIVE BUDGET KNOWING THAT WE, UM, ARE GOING TO HAVE TO NOT FLOAT THE, UM, TAX RATE, UM, COMING OUT OF COVID.

AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THAT THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE A TIGHTER BUDGET, BUT WE STILL ARE VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT WAS, UH, WHAT WAS DECIDED UPON BY THE CITY MANAGER AND BY COUNCIL.

AND SOME OF THE STUFF IS, I WON'T SAY MUNDANE, BUT 250,000 OF OUR FUNDING INCREASE IS JUST TO, UH, REPLACE GRANT FUNDING FOR TEMPORARY INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER EXPENSES.

WE WERE ABLE TO CO COVER THAT OVER THE PAST YEAR THROUGH ADDITIONAL E S G FUNDING, UM, THAT HAS NOW RUN OUT.

THAT WAS TIME SENSITIVE.

IT WAS A ONE-TIME COST, IT'S GONE.

AND SO WE NEED THAT FUNDING ONGOING FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES.

WE ARE ALSO MAKING ALL OF OUR, UM, INCREMENT WEATHER SHELTERS.

A D A CONFORMING, WHICH MEANS BUYING SOME LARGER, UM, MORE HEAVY DUTY COTS THAT ARE A D A COMPLIANT.

THOSE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THOSE PER SHELTER SITE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.

UM, THEN WE'RE DOING A FUNDING REALLOCATION, SO THIS DOES NOT COST ANYTHING.

UM, BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE CREATING A GENERAL MANAGER FOR OUTREACH AND EMERGENCY SERVICES.

UM, AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE NEED A POINT PERSON FOR INCLEMENT WEATHER SHELTER, FOR ALL THE OTHER ACTIVITIES GOING ON.

UM, NORMALLY THAT IS YOURS TRULY, AND THE AD AND THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU AT THE STAFF TABLE.

SO WE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT BE ONE PERSON.

SO IT'S A LOT LESS CONFUSING FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

UM, AND WE'VE DOUBLED IN SIZE, ESPECIALLY STREET OUTREACH IN THE PAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

SO THAT RESTRUCTURING NEED, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT.

UM, SECURITY FOR THE VACANT CITY OWNED BUILDINGS THAT'S JUST NEEDED ONGOING.

WE'VE ALWAYS HAD SECURITY AT THOSE SITES.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THE CALIBER OF THE SITES FENCING AND CLEANING COSTS INCREASE.

WE ACTUALLY, UM, AND I THINK MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE THROUGH ONE BUDGET OR OR TWO BUDGETS WITH ME.

SO YOU'LL RECALL THAT OUR ANNUAL ONGOING BUDGET FOR STREET CLEANING AND FENCING HAS BEEN AROUND A MILLION FOR QUITE A WHILE.

UH, THIS PAST YEAR WE GOT A LOT MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH OUR STREET CLEANINGS AND OUR FENCING.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HEARD FROM THE POPULATION THAT THERE WAS MORE OF A NEED.

AND SO WE WORKED WITH CODE NOT ONLY TO MORE AGGRESSIVELY, UH, MORE AGGRESSIVELY SITE HARDENED, BUT ALSO JUST TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANNA CONNECT PEOPLE TO SERVICES.

WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT THROUGH THE R T R.

WE WANT TO BE HUMANE, BUT ALSO IT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR TO REMAIN ON THE STREET LONG TERM.

AND SO WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY BOTH TO THOSE WHO ARE OUTSIDE AND TO THE CITIZENS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE AREAS ARE SAFE.

UM, AND I'VE HEARD ON THE STREET THAT WE'VE HAD A, A DRASTIC DIFFERENCE IN A LOT OF AREAS ARE SEEING A, A REDUCTION.

A LOT OF THE HOTSPOTS ACROSS DALLAS HAVE GONE AWAY.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE STILL PROBLEM SPOTS.

WE KNOW THAT, BUT OUR BUDGET HAD GONE FROM 1 MILLION TO ABOUT 2.1 MILLION.

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AND SO, UM, WE'RE VERY EXCITED THAT THEY'RE LETTING US KEEP THAT $1 MILLION INCREASE THAT WE REQUESTED SO WE CAN CONTINUE THAT AGGRESSIVE SITE CLEARING, UH, OR NOT CLEARING, BUT SITE CLEANING AND SITE HARDENING OF, UM, PLACES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUSTAINABLY CLEARED AND NOW NEED FENCING.

UM, AND SOME OF THAT FENCING IS MORE EXPENSIVE.

WE USED TO JUST USE CHAIN LINK AND IT GETS CUT THROUGH A LOT BY THE TIME YOU'VE REPLACED THAT A COUPLE TIMES.

YOU'VE SPENT WHAT YOU WOULD'VE SPENT ORIGINALLY ON JUST A WROUGHT IRON FENCE.

UM, AND SO IT MAKES MORE SENSE JUST TO SITE HARDEN IN A WAY THAT'S MORE SUSTAINABLE FROM THE GET GO.

AND THAT'S NOT ACROSS EVERY SITE, BUT WE JUST LOOK AT EACH SITE AND BASED ON WHAT'S NEEDED OR HOW MANY TIMES THE ORIGINAL, UM, EASIER TO BREAK INTO FENCING HAS BEEN MODIFIED WHERE YOU'RE UPGRADING SOME FENCING AND JUST INSTALLING THICKER FENCING IN OTHER PLACES.

UM, LAST FUNDING INCREASE, THIS IS, UH, 937,000 TO SUPPORT THE, UH, REAL-TIME REHOUSING, DECOMMISSIONING OF MULTIPLE ENCAMPMENTS AT A TIME.

SO WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE ACTUALLY IS, UM, FUNDING TO SUPPORT, UM, WELL, LET ME, LET ME GO BACK.

SO I THINK YOU GUYS PROBABLY REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE 22.8 MILLION ACROSS THREE YEARS THAT CAME TO THE SYSTEM THROUGH HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT THAT'S GOING TO HELP US EXPAND HOW 6,000 PEOPLE TOTAL BY THE END OF 2025.

ALL OF THAT MONEY PAYS FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE AND CASE MANAGEMENT.

IT DOES NOT PAY FOR THE STREET OUTREACH TO GET PEOPLE TO THAT CASE MANAGEMENT.

AND SO AS PART OF THE C O C, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THE NEED FOR STREET OUTREACH WORKERS WHO ARE SOLELY HOUSING READINESS FOCUSED, SO NOT WHAT O H S DOES, WHICH IS HEALTH AND SAFETY, EMERGENCY ISSUES, CONNECTING PEOPLE TO SERVICES AND MOVING ON.

BUT PURELY ALMOST CASE MANAGEMENT, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO GO IN AND REALLY, REALLY WORK WITH PEOPLE IN THOSE HOTSPOTS, THOSE ONES AND TWOS IN ENCAMPMENTS INSTEAD OF LARGER ENCAMPMENTS WHERE WE'RE ALREADY GOING WITH THE R T R, UM, AND REALLY WORK TO GET THEM CONNECTED TO HOUSING FROM THOSE LOCATIONS.

AND SO, 16, UH, FTES WERE IDENTIFIED AS A GAP IN THAT SYSTEM, UM, ACROSS A COUPLE DIFFERENT BUCKETS OF, OF OUTREACH.

AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO DO OUR PART TO SUPPORT AS MANY FTES AS WE CAN.

UM, THE ORIGINAL ASK WAS 1.5 MILLION FOR 16 FTES, BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A BUDGET YEAR, IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME TO RAMP UP AND HIGHER.

SO A MORE REALISTIC ASK WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT PHASING PEOPLE IN IS A LITTLE BIT UNDER A MILLION.

AND THEN WE CAN LOOK, WE CAN REVISIT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE NEXT YEAR.

UM, WHAT THAT WILL DO THOUGH IS ALLOW THE CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S BEING STOOD UP, WHICH IS, UM, FOR HOUSING READINESS OUTREACH TEAMS THAT ARE A COMBINATION OF, UM, C O C STREET OUTREACH, UM, MEDICAL FROM, UH, NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT PARTNERING A LITTLE BIT WITH MAYBE PARKLAND, MAYBE BAYLOR, UM, ENFORCEMENT, OH, EXCUSE ME, NOT ENFORCEMENT, BUT HOUSING READINESS AND MEDICAL TO DIVIDE THE C O C F INTO FOUR QUADRANTS, HAVE MORNING MEETINGS, AND THEN GO OUT ACROSS THE CITY, UM, IN A MUCH MORE MOBILE WAY, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY EXCITING.

AND SO WE'RE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT FUNDING CONTRACTED OUT, UM, IN A WAY THAT'S GOING TO HELP AND NOT KEEP IT OURSELVES.

WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT CREATING POSITIONS WITHIN O H S 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE MISSION CREEK FOR US.

WE DO HELP AND SAFETY CONNECTING PEOPLE TO SERVICES AND MOVING ON, UM, YOU KNOW, ACUTE EMERGENCY THROUGH THE HOMELESS ACTION, UH, RESPONSE TEAM.

WE DON'T REALLY DO THE STEADY ENGAGEMENT.

THAT'S MORE OF A C O C SIDE THING.

SO WE'RE HAPPY TO CONTRACT THIS OUT AND SUPPORT THAT.

UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH WAS NOT IN OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET, UH, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT BY COUNCIL MEMBER BASIL DO A 28 A IN, UH, THE SEPTEMBER 6TH BUDGET TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 1 MILLION FOR FUNDING.

WHAT THE AMENDMENT READS RIGHT NOW IS TO ADD A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A SANCTION ENCAMPMENT.

UM, IF YOU LISTEN TO THE LANGUAGE, UH, AROUND THE HORSESHOE, WHAT WAS DECIDED ON WAS IT WAS CLARIFIED BY THE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENT, BUT TO EXPLORE THE BROADER POSSIBILITY OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING IN THE CITY UTILIZING THIS 1 MILLION.

SO THAT SPECIFIC AMENDMENT, IT STILL SAYS THAT IT'LL GO, IT'LL GO BACK AND IT WILL BE AMENDED, UM, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LANGUAGE WILL ACTUALLY BE SO THAT WHATEVER'S PUT INTO THE BUDGET WON'T BE SO INCREDIBLY SPECIFIC.

BUT IT, IT IS, UH, VERY MUCH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A COUNCIL, UM, INTEREST VERY MUCH IN EXPLORING WHAT TRANSITIONAL HOUSING COULD LOOK LIKE.

I WON'T SAY THAT IT'S SOMETHING OUR SYSTEM NECESSARILY NEEDS, UH, IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT IF YOU GO INTO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, IT CAN HURT, IT CAN HURT YOU IN TERMS OF IF YOU NEED TO ACCESS PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING.

IT ALSO COUNTS AGAINST THE SYSTEM, UM, IN OUR POINT IN TIME COUNT.

SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY CREATING SLOTS THAT WILL COUNT AS HOMELESS.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE HEARD THE

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COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY SAYING THAT THERE IS WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE A MISSING MIDDLE AND THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A PILOT PROGRAM, IF WE DO IT FOR A YEAR AND WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT.

AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT A SOLUTION LIKE THAT WOULD BE.

UM, AND WE'LL BE ACTUALLY BRIEFING A TRANSITIONAL HOUSING PROPOSED PILOT TO H H S NEXT WEEK.

AND THAT IS IT.

SO I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU CHAIR FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION DIRECTOR.

UH, AND SO I WILL OPEN, UH, UP THE FLOOR TO COMMISSIONERS.

UM, WE, WE DO HAVE A GOOD BIT TO GET THROUGH TODAY AND OUR DIRECTOR NEEDS TO LEAVE IN ABOUT AN HOUR.

UH, SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, AN INITIAL ROUND.

LET'S GIVE EVERYBODY A MINUTE 30, AND THEN WE'LL SEE ONCE WE GET THROUGH THAT IF WE NEED ANOTHER ROUND BASED UPON WHERE WE END UP.

OKAY.

UH, SO AT THIS POINT, DO, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? YES, I CAN SEE COMMISSIONER JACOB.

ANY OTHERS? COMMISSIONER SIRHAN? ANY, YOU SEE? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER GARDNER.

OKAY.

SO LET'S START WITH COMMISSIONER JACOB.

COMMISSIONER JACOB, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, AND THANKS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UH, DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

UM, HOW MUCH OF THE FUNDS ALLOCATED FOR STREET OUTREACH? UM, I, I'M SURE, UH, THERE ARE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING SUPPLANTED BY THE COUNTY AS WELL.

SO HOW MUCH OF, HOW MUCH COUNTY BUDGETED FUNDS WILL GO TOWARDS STREET OUTREACH IN ADDITION TO THE CITY BUDGETED FUNDS? I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE.

I ONLY KNOW THAT, UM, WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA DO OUR PART AROUND THIS.

I BELIEVE THE COUNTY IS WORKING MORE ON THE HEALTH SIDE.

I KNOW THEY FUND NORTH TEXAS BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY, BUT I WILL HAVE TO ASK AND GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

WE'LL TAKE THAT QUESTION DOWN.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO CITY OUTREACH, ARE WE, UH, ONLY, UH, ABLE TO, UH, ARE WE RESTRICTED TO CITY OUTREACH WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES? UH, YES.

FOR US, ANYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH CITY OF DALLAS HAS TO STAY CITY OF DALLAS.

OKAY.

SO, NO, GO AHEAD.

SORRY, I'M JUST BEING CONG.

I I APPRECIATE THAT.

I MEAN, IT'S A PRETTY, IT, IT WAS A PRETTY EASY QUESTION AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER.

I JUST WANNA BE COGNIZANT OF MY TIME AS WELL.

SO WHAT, I MEAN THIS, I MEAN THE 16 8 5 OH OBVIOUSLY IS CITY BUDGETED FUNDS.

WHAT'S YOUR OVERALL, UH, DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET, UH, WHEN YOU INCLUDE FUNDS FROM, UH, HUD AND THE STATE AND THE COUNTY? YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY LEFT THAT IN ANOTHER BINDER ON MY DESK 'CAUSE IT'S A REALLY BIG BINDER AND I DIDN'T WANT TO CARRY IT.

SO THAT IS MY FAULT.

UM, I ACTUALLY, I'M HAPPY TO GET THAT TO YOU GUYS.

WE HAVE THIS REALLY LOVELY GRAPH THAT SHOWS YOU GENERAL FUNDING AND COUNTY FUNDING, AND IT SHOWS YOU OVER, I BELIEVE, FOUR YEARS.

SO WE CAN SEND THAT TO YOU.

'CAUSE IT, IT'S, IT IS VERY INTERESTING.

RIGHT.

AND MY RATIONALE FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION IS JUST TRYING TO, UH, ESTABLISH THAT THIS 16 8 5 OH ISN'T THE ONLY AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT THE, UH, THAT ARE DEDICATED TO SOLVE HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

AND I JUST WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE, UH, TO ASK THAT WE LOOK AT THE STRATEGIES THAT ARE IN PLACE, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD, N H N O H SS AND IN OTHER, UH, AREAS, UH, TO UTILIZE ANY AND ALL FUNDS DIRECTED TOWARD HOMELESSNESS.

BECAUSE I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, MY BIGGEST QUESTION TO YOU IS, AS DIRECTOR OF O H S, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ON HOW MUCH, UH, FUNDS CITY ALLOCATED AND COMING FROM OTHER SOURCES ARE BUDGETED IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR TOWARD HOMELESSNESS? AND THAT'S YOUR TIME.

SO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND ASK.

UH, YES, AND I, I WAS GONNA SAY I DO.

SO WE CAN SEND YOU THAT.

UM, I JUST DON'T HAVE THE TABLE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, I HAD OUR FINANCE TEAM LOOK AT FOR JUST THE, FOR JUST THE FINANCE AND CONTRACTS TEAM, WHAT IS THE MONEY THAT WE BRING IN? AND IF WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THE FUNDING DOLLARS AND THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, IT WAS A ROUGHLY, FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT IS SPENT ON ONE OF OUR 13 FTES IN THOSE TWO DIVISIONS, WE BRING IN ABOUT $151 THAT WE CAN GIVE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

NOW, THAT'S NOT OUR LARGER, UM, THAT'S NOT OUR LARGER PROGRAM COST, THAT'S NOT TAKING OUTREACH INTO ACCOUNT.

SO THAT'S NOT A NUMBER I WOULD REALLY USE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A BIT SKEWED.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE GET THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND IS MULTIPLIED IN TERMS OF WHAT WE LEVERAGE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT, COGNIZANT OF THAT, THAT USE AND THAT RESPONSIBILITY THAT MOST OF OUR TIME AND EFFORT NEEDS TO BE SPENT IN THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE COMMUNITY.

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THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JACOB.

I, I WILL JUST, UH, KINDA REINFORCE, UH, COMMISSIONER JACOB'S REQUEST AND ASK THAT THE, UM, THE GRAPH THAT YOU MENTIONED IS PROVIDED AND, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER, UH, I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THE C H C WILL BE LOOKING AT, UH, FUNDING ALLOCATIONS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM AS A WAY TO HOLISTICALLY VIEW, UM, THE, THE FUNDING SOURCES OF THE RESPONSE SYSTEM, WHERE THEY'RE GOING RELATED TO RESULTS AND, AND THAT TYPE OF THING.

SO THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION WILL BE HELPFUL FOR OUR WORK GOING FORWARD, UH, AND WE'LL APPRECIATE THAT, THAT BEING SENT OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UM, OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER ILHAN, DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? HELLO? THANKS FOR THE REPORT.

UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION OF CURIOSITY AND THAT IS, WHERE ARE THE THREE BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE, UH, POLICING OR, YOU KNOW, OVER OVERLOOKING THE SECURITY? SURE.

AND THAT IS ACTUALLY IN OUR, UH, NEXT PRESENTATION.

IT'S 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE FOR AVENUE FORT WORTH AVENUE.

GOT IT.

KNOWN AS THE MIRAMAR DISTRICT ONE.

MM-HMM.

41 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, WHICH WAS DISTRICT EIGHT, NOW DISTRICT THREE AND 29.

29 SOUTH HAMPTON, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT THREE ACROSS FROM PEACE PARK.

AND YOU HAVE THOSE ACTUALLY IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

SO YOU HAVE HAVE THAT LAID OUT.

YEAH.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

AWESOME.

IS THERE ANY, UH, PLAN FOR DOING SOMETHING WITH EACH OF THOSE BUILDINGS? YES.

ALSO IN THE NEXT PRESENTATION.

OKAY.

THERE, THERE YOU GO.

.

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE.

OKAY.

SORRY.

I KNOW WHY I DIDN'T SEE IT.

THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

SO WE'RE GONNA GET IN FOR THAT.

UM, GOOD QUESTION.

UM, COMMISSIONER GORDON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU CHAIR KING AND THANK YOU DIRECTOR CROSSLEY.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, SO IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE 937,000 FUNDING INCREASE FOR THE, TO SUPPORT THE, UH, REAL-TIME RAPID DECOMMISSIONING FOR THE 16 FTES, UM, WAS THAT WAS PROPOSED DURING, UH, MAYOR JOHNSON'S TASK REPORT TASK FORCE RATHER.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE INCORPORATING THAT RIGHT AWAY, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, I, MAYA IS JUST A QUICK QUESTION, I THINK, UM, WHICH WOULD HELP COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND WHAT, UM, CAN YOU PROVIDE THE DEFINITION OF TRANSITIONAL HOUSING? I MEAN, I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR SOME COMMISSIONERS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.

'CAUSE I THINK THE BRIDGE HAS 50, THEY HAVE 50 BEDS FOR TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

CORRECT.

SO IN CONTEXT OF EMERGENCY SHELTER, TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, AND PERMIT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, CAN YOU JUST PROVIDE A, A QUICK DEFINITION OF HOW THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS? SURE.

SO TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, THE, UM, HUD DEFINITION FOR THAT IS SOMEONE MOVES IN, BUT IT'S NOT A PLACE THAT YOU CAN STAY.

SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE A LEASE THAT LETS YOU LIVE THERE FOREVER.

AND IT'S 12 TO 24 MONTHS OF HOUSING.

UM, AND OF COURSE, CASE MANAGEMENT IS WRAPPED IN AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, I, I HAVE IDEAS WITH THAT ALREADY, SO THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT DEFINITION.

UM, AND I'M HOPING THAT MAYBE WE COULD LOOK INTO PROJECTS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION COULD EXPLORE, LIKE IN SUBCOMMITTEES AS FAR AS, UM, EXPLORING INITIATIVES, IDEAS, SOMETHING INNOVATIVE, UM, AS A SOLUTION THAT WE COULD FOR THIS, THIS 1 MILLION IN FUNDING THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY GETS, UM, ADDED TO THE BUDGET.

SO THANK YOU.

YEAH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

UM, OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? YES, YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER BROWN.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN, YOU DO HAVE THE FLOOR.

YES.

I WANTED TO KNOW, DO YOU KNOW WHEN ABOUT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL PILOT PROGRAM FOR THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING? SO THAT PRE, OH, SORRY.

THE PRESENTATION TO THAT IS BEING PREPPED FOR H H SS RIGHT NOW? UM, IT WAS NOT READY TO SHARE BECAUSE IT'S JUST, WE WANTED TO GET IT OUT AS SOON AS WE COULD, BUT IT TOOK SOME, UH, SOME TIME.

SO THAT WILL BE SHARED TO YOU ALL AS, UH, TOMORROW IS WHEN IT WILL BE POSTED FOR H H S.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT COULD BE DISCUSSED BY THE ENTIRE GROUP, BUT I KNOW THE SUBCOMMITTEES COULD TAKE THAT UP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

YOUR NEXT, YOUR NEXT, UH, SPEAKER WITH A QUESTION IS, UH, COMMISSIONER JACOB, GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

UH, WELL, LET'S, LET'S MAKE SURE ALL COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE NOT SPOKEN ON THE ITEM GET AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND THEN WE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL CERTAINLY CIRCLE BACK TO COMMISSIONER JACOB.

WE HAVE TIME FOR A SECOND ROUND.

UH, SO FIRSTLY, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE NOT SPOKEN? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER CLANTON HAWK.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

HELLO.

THANKS, DIRECTOR FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE 16 FTES.

THOSE ARE GONNA BE, YOU SAID, UH, PURELY CASE MANAGEMENT OR MORE FOCUSED ON CASE MANAGEMENT FOR THE SMALLER AREAS, SMALLER ENCAMPMENTS OR SO STREET OUTREACH.

UM,

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BUT THE WAY THAT I LIKE TO DIFFERENTIATE THEM FROM WHAT, WHAT WE DO WITH STREET OUTREACH IS THESE FOLKS ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP COMING BACK TO THE SAME PEOPLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED, IF THEY NEED TO SPEND A DAY WORKING WITH SOMEONE TO TAKE THEM TO GET AN ID OR FILL OUT, UH, A COORDINATED ACCESS SYSTEM, UM, YOU KNOW, DETAIL THAT WOULD BE TOO LONG FOR US TO DO.

THEY CAN DO THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE TIME AND THAT'S THEIR SOLE FOCUS.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING LIGHT CASE MANAGEMENT, UM, WITH THE SOLE FACT THAT ONCE YOU GET THEM CONNECTED TO CASE MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY ROLL OFF AND GO ON ONTO THEM.

BUT FOR OUR STREET OUTREACH, WE REALLY ARE, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS A SERVICE REQUEST OR AN EMERGENCY, OR WE'RE CLEANING.

WE'RE GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU WANT SERVICES.

IF YOU SAY NO, OKAY, WE'LL PROBABLY SEE YOU AROUND AGAIN 'CAUSE IT'S A SMALL WORLD, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO COME BACK TOMORROW TO REENGAGE WITH YOU IN A CONSISTENT WAY.

AND THAT'S THE INTENT HERE FOR THESE GUYS TO DO.

OKAY, PERFECT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN MY AREA, 6 35 AND COY, YOU KNOW, UM, ALL UP AND DOWN THAT 6 35 CORRIDOR PEOPLE POP UP AND THEN THEY GO AWAY AND THEN THEY POP UP THE NEXT DAY.

SO THESE WOULD BE MORE TO HELP IN THOSE TYPE OF JUST ONE, TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE POP UP AND GO AWAY, POP UP AND GO AWAY.

YEAH.

AND WE, BUT THE HOTSPOTS, RIGHT.

WE CALL THEM YES.

BUT THEY'RE NOT BIG CAMPS.

THEY'RE JUST KIND OF CONTINUALLY HAVE MM-HMM.

YES.

SO IN THOSE AREAS.

OKAY.

THANKS.

AWESOME.

MM-HMM.

.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER CLAYTON HOFF, ANY OTHER MEMBERS WHO HAVE NOT SPOKEN ON THE ITEM THAT WISH TO SPEAK? COMMISSIONER? EXCUSE ME.

OKAY.

UH, LET ME ASK A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS THAT WE'LL FIND TIME FOR COMMISSIONER JACOB, UH, FOLLOW UP.

UM, SO, UM, FIRSTLY, LET ME ASK DIRECTOR, UM, WITH THE, UM, THE FUNDING INCREASE FOR THE FENCING AND CLEANING COSTS, YOU'RE SAYING THAT PRIMARILY YOU'RE LOOKING TO INCREASE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO FURTHER HARDEN THE FENCING SO THAT IT'S MORE PERMANENT? IS THAT THE, THE FOCUS OR JUST FOR LITTLE ELABORATION? HMM.

UM, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A REFLECTION OF WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT THIS YEAR.

UM, WE ARE, BECAUSE WE HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF SITES THAT WE HAVE FENCED, UM, AND IN SOME LOCATIONS WHERE NECESSARY THE QUALITY OF THE FENCING AND OF COURSE ALL OF THOSE, YOU CAN'T FENCE A SITE UNLESS IT'S BEEN PROPERLY CLEANED.

MM-HMM.

, SOME OF THOSE HAVE BEEN DUE TO VERY LARGE ENCAMPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SUSTAINABLY CLOSED THROUGH THE REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE.

SO YOU'RE KIND ACCOUNTING FOR MM-HMM.

, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS COST ALREADY AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT GOING FORWARD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

NOW, WHAT'S THE CURRENT IDEA IN TERMS OF THE LONGEVITY OF THIS FENCING? ONCE IT GOES UP, HOW LONG IS IT GONNA STAY IN PLACE? I DON'T WANNA SAY FOREVER BECAUSE NOTHING IN THE CITY IS FOREVER, BUT WHEN IT'S PUT UP, BUT IT'S PERMANENT FENCING.

OKAY.

UH, OKAY.

UM, NOW THE, UM, THE INCREASE FOR THE, UM, UM, THE OUTREACH TEAMS FOR C O C, OF COURSE, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT FOR A WHILE.

UM, HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

UM, WE WANT TO WANNA SEE THAT EXPANSION OF THE, UM, THE DR.

RTRS ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROCESS.

UH, LIKE I SAID, WE WANNA SEE THAT BECOME THE NORM.

UM, WHAT'S THE CURRENT ASSESSMENT POST DECOMMISSIONING? LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AS A, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW AS A FOLLOW UP FOR ENCAMPMENTS THAT YOU'RE CLOSING THROUGH THAT PROCESS VERSUS, SAY THE EMERGENCY ENC CABINET, YOU KNOW, CLOSURES MM-HMM.

IN, IN TERMS OF PEOPLE REMAINING IN THE AREA, PEOPLE RETURNING TO THE SAME AREA.

ARE YOU SEEING A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO? YES.

OKAY.

SO I WILL SAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS SUSTAINABLY CLOSED, UM, WE ACTUALLY, OUR HEART TEAM ON SATURDAYS WILL GO OUT AND CHECK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE SITES.

WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST, AND THEN THEY WILL INFORM, UM, THROUGH OUR, OUR O H S MANAGER WILL INFORM, UM, OUR PARTNERING CITY MARSHALS AND THE REST OF THE, UH, PARTNERING TEAMS ON MONDAY OF EVERY SINGLE SITE.

AND MOST OF THEM WILL SAY NOTHING FOUND, BUT IF YOU WILL SAY, WE FOUND PEOPLE IN X LOCATION, AND THEN THE MARSHALS WILL GO AND SAY, HEY, SEE THE SIGN, LIKE THIS IS CLOSED, YOU NEED TO GO.

AND SO THAT IS ENCAMPMENT, UH, CLOSURE MAINTENANCE IS WHAT WE CALL THAT.

AND SO EVERY WEEK THAT HAPPENS.

AND I HAVE SEEN FEWER AND FEWER NEED THAT NEED THE FOLLOW UP.

THERE ARE A COUPLE WHERE WE KNOW WE JUST NEED TO FOCUS MORE ATTENTION.

UM, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK ONCE PEOPLE GOT THE IDEA THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO STOP COMING BACK AND WE ARE DOING THIS ENCLOSURE, UM, CLOSURE MAINTENANCE, IT'S BEEN, UM, IT'S BEEN A SYSTEMIC CHANGE WITH THE EMERGENCY CLOSURES.

YOU DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T HOUSED, THEY JUST MOVED TWO STREETS AWAY.

AND SO YES, YOU'VE CLOSED

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THAT SITE, BUT YOU HAVEN'T SOLVED THE PROBLEM, WHICH IS WHY WE HATE DOING IT, BUT SOMETIMES WE JUST HAVE TO.

SO I TAKE FROM THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THE REAL TIME PROCESS FOR DECOMMISSIONING LEAVES A MORE SUSTAINABLE AND BENEFICIAL RESULTS.

100%.

BECAUSE WE HAVE A DIRECT PATHWAY TO HOUSING AND H M I S ENTRY INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

OKAY.

UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY TIME.

UH, I'LL, WE'LL DO A SHORT SECOND ROUND.

LET'S DO A MINUTE.

UH, SO I'LL, I'LL GIVE TO THE FLOOR TO, UH, COMMISSIONER JACOB.

UH, COMMISSIONER JACOB, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER JACOB, DID YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THIS ITEM? IS HE FROZEN? COMMISSIONER JACOB? CAN YOU HEAR, HEAR ME? IS HE FROZEN? HE JUST CAN'T HEAR US.

OKAY.

YEAH, IF YOU COULD SET UP A CHAT, I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND ASK AND WE'LL SEE IF WE CAN GET HIM ACTIVATED HERE AND HE CAN ASK THIS QUESTION.

SO I DID WANNA JUST ADD, ASK AS A FOLLOW UP.

UM, OKAY.

SO WITH THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING, UH, PIECE, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.

SO YOU ARE COMING UP WITH A PROPOSAL THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE AS OF TOMORROW, IS THAT CORRECT FOR THE, FOR THIS TRANSITIONAL HOUSING AMENDMENT? YES.

SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS RECALL A WHILE BACK, WE DID A PRESENTATION, A COST ANALYSIS ON TINY AND PALLET HOMES FOR SOME, UH, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, UH, FUNDING THAT CAME DOWN THROUGH HOUSING.

UM, AND OUR RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME WAS, IT, IT REALLY ISN'T COST EFFECTIVE.

YOU'RE SPENDING MAYBE THREE FOURTHS OF YOUR ENTIRE BUDGET ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES.

SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE LEFT TO ACTUALLY SERVE PEOPLE WITH.

UM, AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IN AN AREA WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEMPORARY CODE FOR HOUSING, UM, IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT.

AND SO THE COUNCIL AGREED TO LEAVE THAT BUCKET OF MONEY WHERE IT WAS AND WHAT IT WAS INTENDED FOR IN TERMS OF EXISTING HOUSING PROJECTS.

UM, BUT WE WENT AWAY AND HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD DO TO MEET THAT NEED SINCE THAT TIME.

AND SO THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO H H S NEXT TUESDAY.

AND FOR THE, SO I, I KNOW WE, WE'LL WAIT AND SEE WHAT, WHAT, UH, IS REVEALED TOMORROW, WHETHER IT BE ABLE TO RELEASE THAT.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE YOUR PLAN ALLOWING FOR, I GUESS, DIRECT ENTRY INTO THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE UNSHELTERED? I DO.

OKAY.

SO I'LL JUST MAKE THE NOTE.

THE MENTION THAT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, UH, HOUSING COMMITTEE, SERVICES COMMITTEE, STREET OUTREACH COMMITTEE, UH, WHEN THIS IS RELEASED, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE UP IN YOUR, IN YOUR COMMITTEE REVIEW AND BRING US A REPORT BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION.

UH, OKAY.

AND LAST THING, BACK TO THE, THE, THE INCREASE OF THE OUTREACH STREET OUTREACH TEAM, UH, THE FUNDING FOR THAT, THAT 9 9 37, IS THAT OVER TWO YEARS, DOES THAT ACCOMMODATE THE 16 INDIVIDUALS OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS? OR HOW LONG DOES THAT? SO THAT'S, BUT TO FUND THAT, THAT, THAT PURPOSE, SO THAT WOULD, IT'S ONGOING, BUT THE TOTAL COST, ONCE EVERYTHING IS RAMPED UP, THE EXPECTED TOTAL COST IS 1.5 MILLION.

SO I THINK OUR EXPECTATION IS GIVEN THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE 16 FTES IMMEDIATELY OCTOBER ONE, THAT WHAT'S REALLY NEEDED FOR THE FIRST YEAR IS THAT, AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT THE TOTAL NEED IN THE MID-YEAR ADJUSTMENTS.

OKAY.

SO, BUT WHAT YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT OVER THE COURSE OF TWO YEARS, ABOUT 1.5 MM-HMM.

.

CORRECT.

AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS AS A CONTINUING BUDGET ALLOCATION YES.

BEYOND THAT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

OKAY.

UH, DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER JACOB, IS HE ABLE TO HEAR, HE DOESN'T HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

OKAY.

TO GO FORWARD.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY.

UH, SO I APPRECIATE THIS PRESENTATION.

WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THE, UH, THE GRAPH THAT YOU SPOKE OF, AND SO WE COULD KIND OF SEE BUDGET ALLOCATIONS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM HERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, UH, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSAL FOR THE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING.

LOOK FORWARD TO THAT AS WELL.

THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

AND OF COURSE, YOU'RE STAYING IN THE HOT SEAT , UH, FOR THE NEXT ITEM.

UM, BUT WE WILL MOVE ON TO THAT.

UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE UPDATE ON CITY OWNED FACILITIES USED FOR THE UNSHELTERED, UH, DIRECTED ACROSS THE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR AGAIN.

YES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS JUST ONE SHEET, UH, BUT A LOT OF INFORMATION.

SO WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT IS AT THE TOP, YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY INTENDED USE.

THEN YOU HAVE THE EXPENSE BREAKDOWN OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ACQUISITION COSTS, THERE'S SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT AND RENOVATION COSTS AND COMPLETED TOTAL.

THEN YOU HAVE THE ESTIMATED COMPLETION DATE, AND WE BREAK THAT DOWN BELOW IN

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THE BREAKDOWN OF ESTIMATED TIMELINES.

AND THEN YOU'RE ALSO SEEING THE BREAKDOWN OF THE COMMUNITY WORK GROUP TIMELINE.

SO, UM, ON THESE, THE ONE THING I WILL NOTE IS, UM, IT WAS JUST CORRECTED HERE THAT 41 50 INDEPENDENTS DRIVE THE RENOVATION WAS 1.9 MILLION, NOT 2 MILLION.

SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN RESERVE FOR THAT BUILDING, UH, FOR ANY POTENTIAL NEEDS.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

I KNOW I COULD GO THROUGH IT, BUT, UM, I CAN DO THAT, OR WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS BETTER FOR YOU GUYS.

UH, WE'LL OPEN UP THE, UH, UH, THE FLOOR TO COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS.

UM, SORRY.

OKAY.

I'M GONNA GIVE TWO MINUTES FOR THIS ROUND.

UM, ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? I SEE COMMISSIONER GARNER, UH, COMMISSIONER KLATTEN HAW WILL BEGIN THERE.

IF YOU'RE VIRTUAL, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, YOUR VIRTUAL HAND.

UH, COMMISSIONER GARNER, YOU DO HAVE A FLOOR.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIR KING.

UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, UH, SINCE WE'RE INCREASING FUNDING OF, UH, INCREASE IN ALLOCATION OF, I'M SORRY, INCREASING $200,000 IN SECURITY FOR THESE THREE PROPERTIES, UM, IS THERE A REASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO OPENING THESE UP FOR OPERATIONS? SO, SLIGHT CORRECTION, WE'RE NOT INCREASING.

IT'S JUST THE FUNDING THAT WE HAD WAS ONE TIME AND IT RAN OUT.

SO WE'RE REPLACING, REPLACING, YES.

THERE IS ALSO AN EXPECTATION, UM, IF YOU LOOK BOTH OF THESE FACILITIES, WE EXPECT TO BE OPEN IN THE THIRD QUARTER OF FISCAL YEAR 2024.

SO THE REMAINING FACILITY THAT WE WILL KEEP, AND WHEN THEY'RE TRANSFERRED INTO, UM, ONCE THEY'RE TRANSFERRED TO THE PROVIDER WHO'LL BE PROVIDING SERVICES, THEY TAKE OVER SECURITY AS WELL.

SO IT'S EXPECTED THAT THAT COST WILL ROLL OFF FOR US, AND THEN WE CAN TRANSFER WHATEVER REMAINING OR ONGOING FUNDS WE HAVE TO, UM, THE 29 29 SOUTH HAMPTON BUILDING OR JUST RECOUP THOSE FUNDS AND REALLOCATE.

OKAY.

UM, AND DO WE KNOW WHAT TYPE OF OPERATIONS ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO THESE FACILITIES AT ALL? OR IS THERE STILL LIKE AN R P OUT? OR DO WE KNOW? SO YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP, UM, THE VERY, VERY TOP OF THE TABLE.

YEAH.

P S H P S H AND 20, BUT I'M MM-HMM.

, I'M SORRY.

DO WE KNOW WHO WILL BE OPERATING? OH.

UM, SO FOR 41 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, UM, THE RFPS HAVE BEEN WRAPPED.

THEY'RE WAITING ON SOME FUNDING, UM, TO COME IN FROM THE COUNTY.

OKAY.

AND THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, GO TO COUNCIL.

AND FOR 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE, UM, THE SERVICES R F P IS ABOUT TO GO LIVE.

OKAY.

SO, SO WE'LL KNOW SOON ENOUGH ON THOSE.

AND THEN OF COURSE, 29, 29 S HAMPTON IS WITH THE WORK GROUP RIGHT NOW, SO.

OKAY.

SO, UM, HOW LONG WILL THAT R F P BE OPEN FOR? 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE? THAT ? UM, I, I'M NOT REALLY SURE RIGHT NOW.

R F P, THE TIMELINE FROM WHEN YOU START AN R F P TO FINISH IS, UH, GLORIA, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME FOUR MONTHS.

THANK YOU.

FOUR MONTHS.

FOUR WEEKS.

WEEKS.

SHE SAID FOUR WEEKS, NEVERMIND.

FOUR WEEKS.

OKAY.

THERE WE GO.

I WOULD EXPECT TO, I WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE A SERVICE PROVIDER TO COUNCIL PROBABLY EARLY IN THE NEW YEAR.

OKAY.

UM, AND, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, DIRECTOR CROSSLEY.

APPRECIATE IT.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER KHAW, YOU, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR CHAIR.

UH, QUICK QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT WE'RE HOPING TO SERVE IN EACH ONE OF THESE? YES.

AND ACTUALLY I SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED THE BED COUNT.

SO, UM, JUST QUICK, QUICKLY, FOR 19 50 40, UH, FORT WORTH AVENUE, THE UNITS ORIGINALLY THERE WERE 75.

UH, I'M GIVEN TO UNDERSTAND THEY WERE RATHER SMALL.

AND, UH, I, I DIDN'T WALK THEM BEFORE THE PROPERTY WAS GUTTED AND ASBESTOS REMOVED.

UM, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW AT ABOUT 40 TO 45 UNITS.

UH, AND THEN I HAVE IT ON GOOD AUTHORITY THAT 41 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE WILL BE 132 UNITS.

AND FOR THE P S H AT HAMPTON, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE SAID THAT WE ESTIMATE THAT THAT BUILDING THAT'S THERE COULD PROVIDE 80 TO A HUNDRED, BUT I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA END UP BEING.

WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING, UM, THAT MIGHT WORK FOR THE COMMUNITY WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF PROP J.

SO IT MIGHT BE THAT THE BUILDING STAYS, IT MIGHT BE THAT THE BUILDING IS BULLDOZED AND SOMETHING ELSE IS BUILT.

SO AT THIS POINT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD SENSE.

I THINK THE WORKING GROUP IS LOOKING AT WHAT IS POSSIBLE BEFORE THEY DECIDE WHAT THE DENSITY SHOULD BE ON THAT PROPERTY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM THAT HAVE NOT SPOKEN? COMMISSIONER ILHAN, DO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR? UM,

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I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TOTAL COMPLETED TOTAL, UH, OF 17, OVER 17 MILLION AGAINST, UM, ABOUT 280, 209 PEOPLE.

THAT SEEMS LIKE AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY PER PERSON.

AM I CRAZY OR AM I MISREADING THIS? UM, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ADAPTIVE REUSE COST, THAT'S FAIRLY STANDARD.

WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THE FEES WERE DONE IN A TIME WHEN VACANCY RATES WERE EXTREMELY HIGH.

MM-HMM.

AND ALL MUNICIPALITIES HAD A WINDFALL OF MONEY FROM COVID TO BUY BUILDING, THEN THAT MADE SENSE.

UM, MOVING FORWARD, HOWEVER, AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT WITH THE BOND ALLOCATION, WE ARE MOVING IN A DIRECTION WHERE GAP FINANCING IS A MUCH BETTER USE OF OUR TIME AND FUNDING, UM, THAN IT IS TO VERTICALLY INTEGRATE BUYING A BUILDING AND RENOVATING IT OURSELVES AND DOING THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

SO MOVING FORWARD, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THAT POT, UM, THAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED OR WILL BE RECOMMENDED TO, UM, THE LARGER TASK FORCE NEXT WEEK, UM, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT THE LARGEST PART OF OUR ALLOCATION IS SOLELY FOR GAP FINANCING TO ACHIEVE P S H.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE WANNA GO BUY ANOTHER BUILDING.

RIGHT.

AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE RENOVATION COSTS FOR TWO OF THESE BUILDINGS YET.

WELL, WE DO, BUT IT'S NOT, NONE OF IT'S FINALIZED BECAUSE THAT R F P HASN'T BEEN ANNOUNCED TO COUNCIL.

SO I JUST DIDN'T WANNA PUT ANY SPECULATIVE AMOUNTS ON HERE.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S GONNA BE MORE EXPENSIVE, EVEN THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

THAN WHAT IS RIGHT.

MM-HMM.

, I JUST, I MEAN, FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BECAUSE I WAS RELATIVELY NEW NOT TOO LONG AGO, I WAS LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND, AND TRYING TO DIVIDE THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS PEOPLE IN DALLAS VERSUS WHAT IT COST TO DO THE JOB THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

AND STILL HAVE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO SERVE YET.

AND WE'VE MADE HUGE PROGRESS.

AND I APPLAUD THAT.

I STILL JUST, I WANT, IS THERE A STANDARD FOR THAT ACROSS LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE VERY BEST? SO, WELL, AND, AND I, TWO THINGS.

SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT COST, ADAPTIVE REUSE COST RIGHT NOW IS AROUND 78 TO 82,000.

THAT'S BASED ON THE LATEST ST.

JUDE MODEL.

UM, AND SO IF I'M DOING 82,000 TIMES 132 PEOPLE FOR THE PS FOR THE 41 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, THAT'S 12.5 MILLION.

AND SO WE ARE DOING IT FOR A FRACTION OF THE COST, UM, OR AT LEAST UNDER THAT AMOUNT.

I MEAN, AS YOU SAID, THERE WILL BE RENOVATION TOTALS AS WELL.

ALTHOUGH WE'VE DONE, WE DID RENOVATION OF THE CENTRAL BUILDING OURSELVES.

SO IT IS MORE COST EFFECTIVE, ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S MARKET AND WHAT WE BOUGHT THESE BUILDINGS AT.

BUT AS I SAID TO IN TODAY'S WORLD, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS, I THINK WHAT WE ARE DOING IN TERMS OF THE REAL-TIME RAPID REHOUSING INITIATIVE, UM, I HAVEN'T LOOKED IN A MINUTE, BUT IT USED TO BE THAT THE NATIONAL AVERAGE FOR DOING RAPID REHOUSING WAS ABOUT 36,000.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT RENT CASE MANAGEMENT, ALL SERVICES INCLUDED, THAT'S NOT JUST RENT.

AND WE WERE DOING IT FOR ABOUT 32,000.

OKAY.

NOW WE'RE BRUSHING OFF THOSE NUMBERS TO SHOW WHAT THE COST IS TWO AND A HALF YEARS IN, UM, FOR THE OCTOBER H H S.

AND OF COURSE WE'LL COME HERE AS WELL BECAUSE WE NOW HAVE REAL DATA.

AND I SUSPECT WE'VE DONE IT FOR EVEN LESS THAN THAT BECAUSE WE BUDGETED EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVELY.

AWESOME.

THANKS.

OKAY.

UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, SOHAN, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE NOT SPOKEN AND WISH TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.

OKAY.

UH, COUPLE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF WE HAVE TIME FOR A ROUND TWO.

UM, AND SO, WELL, ONE STATEMENT IS, I THINK WHAT YOU'LL FIND, AND THIS IS LIKE A LITTLE BEFORE YOUR TIME ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN WE WERE IN THE MIDST OF SEEING THESE BUILDINGS ACQUIRED, AT LEAST THE INITIAL ONE, INITIAL TWO, UH, WAS ONE OF THEM IS IN OPERATION AND NOT ON HERE, OF COURSE AS A VACANT PROPERTY.

UH, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF OBJECTION TO THE PROCESS, THE, I CALL IT DUE DILIGENCE THAT WAS UTILIZED.

UH, AND SO EVEN IN THAT TIME, SOME DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE DID NOT MAKE SENSE, AT LEAST AS FAR AS THE C H C WAS CONCERNED.

UM, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THE IMPACT OF THAT.

NOW, THE, THE, THE OCCUPANCY CAPABILITIES OF, OF THE MIRROR BARS, THAT'S EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTING RELATIVE TO THE COST.

UM, BUT I, I WANT TO ASK, UM, SO I SEE THE, THE COST THAT'S SPENT, WHAT I, WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS WHAT'S THE PROJECTION

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ON FUTURE EXPENDITURE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, AND WE CAN START THERE AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT TIMELINE.

WELL, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, RENOVATIONS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED.

YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROJECTED COST OF, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF THE R F P FOR BOTH THE MIRAMAR AND THE AND INDEPENDENCE DRIVE AND DO YOU KNOW, WHERE ARE THE FUNDS SITTING TO COVER THOSE RFPS? MM-HMM.

.

UM, AND SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT AS I SAID, WE TOOK, I TOOK THOSE OFF BECAUSE THEY WERE, UM, SPECULATIVE.

BUT FOR 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE, WE STILL HAVE THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAD, UM, IN TERMS OF FUNDING SITTING IN BOND, WHICH I THINK WAS ABOUT 2.5 MILLION.

I'M GONNA LOOK FOR GLORIA TO POP HER HEAD UP.

2.3 MILLION.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND THEN FOR 41 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, UH, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FUNDING FOR, UH, RENOVATION BEYOND WHAT WE USED IN THE BOND.

HOWEVER, SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE FORECAST IS A COUNTY ITEM COMING TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDING THAT WILL MAKE THESE PROJECTS POSSIBLE TO WRAP UP THE I L A.

YES.

OKAY.

AND SO NOW YOU NOTED, THAT'S MY PARTICULAR PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, AS WE DEALT WITH THE WORK GROUP, UH, OVER THE COURSE OF THAT YEAR, PRIOR TO THE RIVET CUTTING, WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE COUNTY I L A MM-HMM.

THE TIMEFRAME FOR R F P.

AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT RESOLUTION IN AUGUST.

AND SO NOW I'M, I'M SEEING THAT THE PROJECTION FOR COMPLETION IS THIRD QUARTER NEXT YEAR.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE TIMELINE ON THE COUNTY I L A IS NOT WHAT WE HAD HOPED IN TERMS OF WHEN THAT WAS GOING TO COME BACK TO US.

UM, AND SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT IT IS NOW GOING TO BE, UH, IT'S NOW GOING TO BE ON THE AUGUST 27TH AGENDA SO THAT WE CAN ACCESS FUNDING.

I'M SORRY, WHICH, WHICH AGENDA? SEPTEMBER.

SEPTEMBER.

.

I'M, WE'RE GONNA TIME TRAVEL BACK IN OFFICE ACTUALLY.

, UM, YEAH, SMALL, SMALL THING THERE.

UM, NO.

SO IT, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA AND WE CAN FINALLY ACCESS THAT FUNDING.

AND THAT HAS PUSHED BOTH OF THESE PROJECT TIMELINES SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND I KNOW THE ORIGINAL CONSIDERATION FOR FUNDING WAS ONE THING AND NOW IT'S ANOTHER, WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING FROM THE I A THAT'S ANTICIPATED TO GO TO INDEPENDENCE DRIVE? SO IT'S 10 MILLION AND IT'S AN ESTIMATED 2.5 PER PROJECT.

UM, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED.

SO WHAT THE I L A IS GOING TO DO, AND I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF A LITTLE BIT HERE ON THE AGENDA ITEM, WHAT THE I L A IS GOING TO DO IS JUST ALLOCATE THE FUNDING IN TOTALITY AND THEN EACH PROJECT WILL BE DISCUSSED AND APPROVED BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY VIA A SUB SUBRECIPIENT AGREEMENT.

SO THERE'S FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THAT.

OKAY.

SO WE DON'T YET KNOW WHAT AMOUNT WOULD GO TO EACH PROJECT.

I GUESS IT'S RELATIVE TO COUNTY DISTRICT OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE CASE.

UM, I, I'LL RESERVE, WE'LL GO FOR ANOTHER ROUND.

UH, I CAN SEE MY TIME HAS EXPIRED.

SO, UH, WE'LL GO BACK TO UH, UH, LET'S DO, LET'S MOVE DOWN TO A MINUTE 30.

UH, COMMISSIONER GARDA YET.

WELL THANK YOU CHAIR KING.

UM, SO I'M JUST KINDA INTERESTED IN THIS WORK GROUP FOR 20, UH, FOR 29 29 SOUTH HAMPTON.

IS IT AN IN-HOUSE O H S THING OR, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON? IS THIS A UH, STEERING COMMITTEE OR WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT? SO, UM, THAT IS A WORK GROUP THAT WAS SELECTED.

UH, MEMBERS WERE SELECTED BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER GRACIE IS GONNA BRING IN SOME ADDITIONAL PEOPLE.

UM, ALSO MEMBERS WERE CONTRIBUTED FROM DISTRICTS FOUR AND DISTRICT ONE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WEST COUNCIL MEMBERS, ARNOLD, EXCUSE ME, DEPUTY MAYOR FIRST TIME ARNOLD.

UM, AND IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN RESUMED UNDER A THIRD PARTY CONTRACTED CONSULTANT WHO IS WORKING WITH THAT GROUP TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS, UM, SHE CALLS IT UH, RADICAL TRANSPARENCY.

UM, AND O H S IS CONTRIBUTING, BUT WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THAT GROUP IS RUNNING SMOOTHLY, UH, THROUGH THAT OUTSIDE PROCESS.

IT ALSO NOW HAS SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE INCLUDED FROM, UM, THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS REALM FROM D I S D AND FROM THAT LOCAL SCHOOL, UH, THE PRINCIPAL AND THE P T A PRESIDENT AND A PARENT REPRESENTATIVE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND UM, THE TIMELINE FOR THE WORK GROUP'S COMPLETION.

SO, UM, THAT IS, UH, AT THE MOMENT WE THERE WORK, THEY WORKED THROUGH THE SUMMER.

THEY STILL HAVE A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS TO GO.

UM, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH A MASTER PLANNER TO LOOK AT WHAT'S FEASIBLE ON THE SITE.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WORK AS WELL.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC PLANS THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO IN NO MATTER WHAT'S DONE WITH THAT SITE.

AND THEN BRINGING THAT BACK TO THE WORK GROUP SO THAT THEY CAN IDEATE ON IT.

OKAY.

EXCELLENT.

UM, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S IT.

ANYTHING.

OKAY.

UM, SO BEFORE I TAKE A SECOND ROUND, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN YOU GET THEIR QUESTIONS OUT.

COMMENTS OUT,

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COMMISSIONER SUSHAN, GO AHEAD.

HOW MUCH OF THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR HOMELESSNESS IN DALLAS GOES TO UM, SALARIES? UM, I CAN'T SAY FOR THE REST OF THE SYSTEM.

MM-HMM.

REALLY.

'CAUSE THOSE AREN'T MINE.

BUT FOR O H S, UH, I'D HAVE TO PULL THE BUDGET LINE ITEM, BUT IT'S NOT A LOT.

MOST OF IT GOES TO SERVICES.

AWESOME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND WE CAN DIG INTO THE SPECIFIC NUMBER, MOVE FORWARD.

WELL, AND WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE COMMITTEE TASK.

WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU GUYS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UM, BUDGET GRAPH FOR COMPARISON OVER YEARS.

WE CAN ADD THAT.

THANK YOU.

MM-HMM.

.

AND JUST A NOTE TO ALL COMMITTEES, WHEN WE SEE THESE ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO DELVE INTO DEEPER, THE COMMITTEE IS A PLACE TO DO IT.

UH, SO MAKE SURE COMMITTEE CHAIRS ARE TAKING NOTE OF THOSE ITEMS, UH, SO WE CAN ADDRESS 'EM IN MORE DETAIL, UH, IN THAT FASHION.

UH, OKAY.

UM, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT I DIDN'T CATCH? I CAN'T SEE EVERYBODY'S HAND ON VIRTUAL, SO JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE.

OKAY.

UM, SO ACTUALLY COMMISSIONER GARNER, THANKS FOR THAT FOLLOW UP BECAUSE YOU TOOK ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.

UH, BUT THE WORK GROUP TIMELINE FOR, FOR HAMPTON, I HEARD THE COMPONENTS OF THE PROCESS, BUT IS THERE AN ESTIMATED TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION OF THE G N A OF THE GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT BY THEM? UM, THERE'S NOT A GOOD, THEY'LL, I THINK THAT'S MUCH FARTHER ALONG IN THE PROCESS.

UHHUH, WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS GETTING THEM TO WORK WITH BOND COUNCIL ON WHAT ARE THE LIMITS OF PROP J FOR WHAT THE PROPERTY COULD BE UHHUH.

UM, AND THEN ONCE THEY GET A FIRM GROUNDING IN THAT TO START REALLY TALKING ABOUT WHAT WILL BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY AND OF COURSE THE NEEDS OF THE, UH, UNSHELTERED IN THAT AREA.

AND WHAT SPECIFIC PART OF THE UNSHELTERED COMMUNITY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO BEING THERE GIVEN ALL OF THE SURROUNDING, UH, AMENITIES.

UNDERSTOOD.

MM-HMM.

.

UNDERSTOOD.

OKAY.

SO TO BE DETERMINED, YEAH, WE'LL GET THERE IS CORRECT.

UH, OKAY.

AND THEN FOR INDEPENDENCE DRIVE, OKAY, WE KNOW THE AMOUNT, THE ANTICIPATED AMOUNT FROM THE I L A, WHAT IS THE PROJECTED AMOUNT OF THE COST OF THE RENOVATION? SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THAT R F P TO? YOU KNOW, SO I'M TO COVER, I'M NOT SURE YET BECAUSE THE R F P IS STILL WAITING TO COME TO COUNCIL, SO I CAN'T ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT IT YET, BUT I CAN SAY, UM, THAT I'M NOT PARTICULARLY WORRIED.

I THINK WE'RE GONNA MEET IT AND THAT'S, I, I UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T SAY ANYTHING ELSE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT SIGNED YET.

OKAY.

AND THE SAME FOR THE MIRAMAR? YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I'M COGNIZANT OF YOUR TIME, SO, UH, IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS, FINAL, FINAL CALL ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD.

OKAY.

UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN, THE I L A IS SEPTEMBER, I'M YEAH, SEPTEMBER 27TH, RIGHT? YES.

THAT'S WHEN OKAY.

THAT'S THE NEW, THAT'S THE NEW GOALPOST, YES.

NOT AUGUST.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX, WHICH IS THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS AGENDA AND CONTRACT FORECAST DIRECTOR CROLEY REMAINS IN THE HOT SEAT.

AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO PULL UP WITH THAT.

THIS IS JUST A VERY COMFORTABLE SEAT.

SO I'M JUST GONNA STAY .

UM, WHY MOVE ELSEWHERE? UH, NO.

SO THIS FIRST ITEM, AND I KNOW WE'RE GETTING IT UP ONLINE, UM, THE FIRST ITEM, CITY SQUARE, UH, WENT BEFORE, UH, CITY COUNCIL YESTERDAY AND THAT WAS JUST A RENEWAL, UM, OPTION ON AN EXISTING CONTRACT FOR THEIR YOUTH.

UH, THEIR YOUTH SUBSIDIARY TRACK THAT WORKS WITH 18 TO 24 YEAR OLDS.

UM, IN THE PAST 11 MONTHS, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT QUITE THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR YET, THEY'VE SERVED 83 PEOPLE.

SO, UM, HAPPY TO KEEP FINANCING THAT.

T D H C A IS A STATE GRANT, SO WE NEVER ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING IS GOING TO BE.

UM, IT LOOKS ON THE CONTRACT, IT SHOWS UP AS A PRICE AGREEMENT.

UM, AND MOST OF THE YEAR YOU'LL SEE ZERO ON THE BUDGET LINE ITEMS FOR PRIOR YEARS AND IN UPCOMING YEARS.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE GET AWARDED THIS FUNDING EARLIER IN THE YEAR AND THEN WE KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING WILL BE IN TERMS OF THE PASS THROUGH.

SO JUST AN INTERESTING NOTE THERE 'CAUSE THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT YESTERDAY.

UM, CANDLEWOOD FAMILY GATEWAY FUNDS FOR PROPERTY AND OPERATIONS.

SO THIS ONE, UH, IS COMING.

THERE'S GONNA BE A BRIEFING MEMO ON THE 19TH.

IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALSO SCHEDULED FOR THE 27TH.

UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF COMING ON THE 27TH.

UM, THIS IS BECAUSE THE, UM, RENOVATIONS AT THE FAMILY GATEWAY, THE NEW PROPERTY, UM, TOOK A LOT LONGER THAN

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EXPECTED.

AND AT THE, UM, OLD PROPERTY THEY HAD TO KEEP IT OPEN A LOT LONGER, UM, DUE TO THOSE RENOVATIONS.

AND SO JUST ALL OF THAT PLUS THE INCREASED COST MEANT THAT THEY HAD, UH, ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR SERVICE.

UM, BECAUSE THEY HAD TO MOVE FUNDING OVER TO COVER THE REST OF THE RENOVATION.

AND SO AS A CITY PARTNER, UM, AND AS PART OF A CONTRACT THAT THEY'VE ALREADY GOT, UH, WE SAID, THEY SAID, HEY, YOU KNOW, COULD YOU HELP US CLOSE THIS GAP FOR, UM, SERVICES FOR FOLKS BECAUSE WE NEEDED, YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE WON'T BE ABLE TO CONTINUE SERVING PEOPLE.

AND SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE'RE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AN EXISTING 700,000 THAT WE COULD USE FOR THAT.

UM, AND THAT'S A ONE-TIME COST THAT'S NOT ADDING TO AN ONGOING BUDGET.

AND THEN THE DALLAS I L A, WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT.

UM, THIS ONE IS THE DALLAS COUNTY.

IT'S GOING TO THEIR, I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO THEIR COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON SEPTEMBER 19TH WHEN IT IS ALSO BEING BRIEFED BY A BRIEFING MEMO TO HOUSING AND HOME WITH SOLUTIONS.

THAT'S GONNA BE A FRIDAY MEMO TOMORROW.

UM, AND THOSE ARE ARPA FUNDS.

SO AS I SAID, IT'S 10 MILLION.

WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR PROJECTS ACROSS THE FOUR COMMISSIONER DISTRICTS AND EACH PROJECT WILL BE, WILL BE IDENTIFIED AND WORKED ON JOINTLY WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.

AND TWO OF THOSE OF COURSE WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE.

THANK YOU ANITA.

OFFICE OF PROCUREMENT.

SO HEALTHY COMMUNITY COLLABORATIVE, IT SAYS OFFICE OF PROCUREMENT BECAUSE THESE ACTUALLY WON'T COME, UH, THESE WON'T COME TO CITY COUNCIL UNDER US, THEY WILL COME THROUGH PROCUREMENT, BUT THEY'RE O H S ITEMS. AND SO THESE ARE ALSO BOTH GONNA BE IN A BRIEFING MEMO ON THE 19TH JUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF COMING DOWN ON THE 27TH.

UM, THIS IS A ONE YEAR SERVICE CONTRACT WITH TWO ONE YEAR RENEWALS.

UM, YOU GUYS MIGHT REMEMBER TWO YEARS AGO I SAID THAT, UM, H C C IS ACTUALLY A STATE FUNDED GRANT AND WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE, WE REALIZED THAT THE, UH, APPLICATION HAD NOT BEEN DONE FOR THAT YEAR.

AND SO WE TOOK ON THE $1.5 MILLION LIFT OURSELVES, UM, TO KEEP THAT GOING AS A VITAL PART OF THE, UH, OPERATIONS AND SERVICES FOR A LOT OF OUR SHELTERS.

AND SO, UH, WE KEPT IT GOING AND THE STATE HAS NOT OPENED THAT APPLICATION BACK UP.

SO WE ARE STILL KEEPING IT GOING.

WE'RE STILL CALLING IT HEALTHY COMMUNITY COLLABORATIVE, STILL USING THE SAME, UM, PROGRAM METRICS SO THAT IF AND WHEN STATE FUNDING DOES OPEN BACK UP, EVERYONE CAN SEAMLESSLY APPLY OR WE CAN SEAMLESSLY APPLY FOR THAT FUNDING AND HAVE EVERYONE SHOWING VERY COMPETITIVELY.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT AT SOME POINT, UH, UNTIL THEN WE STILL SHOULDER THIS AND IT JUST CAME TIME FOR US TO RE R F P THAT FUNDING