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YOU VERY MUCH, IAN.TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, FIRST'S 9:05 AM WELCOME, CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING FROM DALLAS POINT COMMISSION.
AS ALWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JUST THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.
STAFF, UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS BEFORE SHOOT THIS AFTERNOON AT 1230, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A SPECIAL BRIEFING THAT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE THOUGHT WE'D BEGIN THE, THE MORNING WITH THE, UH, THE DAYCARE PIECE, BUT WE'RE GONNA START WITH MISCELLANEOUS AND THAT WE HAVE SOME MOVING PARTS TODAY.
SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, MS. BLUE DONNA.
AND IT IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING S U P SET PLAN, AN EXISTING S U P LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT'S S U P 1505, AND IT'S 4.409 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 12.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FRANKFORD ROAD IN CRUST ROAD AND FAR NORTH DALLAS.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING S U P CYCLING LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PD 1 73 TO ALL BE IN CONCERT TOGETHER.
UH, THE, THEY ARE EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OF AN EXISTING MODULAR BUILDING, UH, AND SHOWING THE EXISTING REAR PARKING LOT AS IT IS CURRENTLY IN THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING.
HOWEVER, THAT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED.
HERE IS THE AREA, AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS BEING EXPANDED.
THIS IS THE, UH, MODULAR BUILDING THAT IS BEING EXPANDED IN THIS AREA.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW RIGHT HERE IS THE EXPANSION WITH THE SHOWING OF THE CURRENTLY EXISTING PARKING AREA.
AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CURRENTLY EXISTING DOES NOT.
THE LANDSCAPING ITSELF DOES NOT CHANGE.
HOWEVER, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS TO REFLECT THE DIFFERENT BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN THE PARKING LOT AS IT EXISTS SO THAT IT'S IN CONCEPT WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WITH THE EXISTING, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE PROPOSED S U P SITE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE, THE LANDSCAPING, THE REMAINS THE SAME.
AND THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENLARGEMENT REFLECTING OF THE PARKING LOT AS IT EXISTS.
UH, THE T AND P, UH, HAS, UH, BEEN AMEN TO JANE.
UH, WELL, IT'S, IT IS CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE.
IT IS NO CHANGE, UM, TO THE LAYOUT OF THE T P AND ION
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IS YOUR HONOR.MS QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SO YOUR NEXT ITEM IS M 2 23 0 3 2.
AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM THE STREET FACING SHIP REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE KEY STREET AND GOULD STREET IN PD THREE 17, WHICH IS THE CEDAR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, UM, WITHIN SUBDISTRICT TWO.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GOULD STREET AND THE KEY STREET, IT'S 2,500 SQUARE FEET, NOT 25,000 AS IT WAS
UH, THIS IS I THINK THE THIRD, UH, APPLICATION OR REQUEST THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN FOR THE RELIEF OF SPEED FACING, UM, FACADE FRONTAGE IN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT IS JUST SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN AGAIN, IN, IN, UH, PD THREE 17, THE CEDAR SPECIAL CORPUS DISTRICT.
AND, UH, IT'S LOCATED, YOU CAN SEE HERE IS ROLLED STREET, UH OH, YOU CAN'T SEE.
AND MCKEES STREET, UM, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS TO THE NORTH, IS UNDEVELOPED, TO THE NORTHEAST IS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, JUST TO THE NORTHWEST IS A BIG PARKING AREA.
AND BOTH TIMES THAT I HAD BEEN OUT THERE, THEY WERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF UNLOADING GOING ON, UM, IN THAT PARKING LOT ON 18 HILLS.
YOU'LL HAVE TO SEE IN SOME OF MY PICTURES COMING UP, UM, FOR ACCESS TO, I BELIEVE THESE, UM, THESE, UH, WAREHOUSES, THEY SPOKE UP HERE.
UM, THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY JUST TO THE WEST, SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH.
AND, UM, THEN AS YOU CROSS ACKER, YOU'VE GOT MULTI-FAMILY AND, UM, WHICH SOME PARKING ON THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE CITY THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO A LITTLE BIT BACK INTO, INSTEAD OF SHOWING YOU ALL OF THE SITE AREA FIRST, I'M GOING WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN THAT IS PROPOSED, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO SOME OF THE SITE PICTURES SO YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THE RED IT, THE RED AREA, UH, THE RED LINES ARE THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINES.
UM, THE GREEN AREA IS THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM, UH, FRONT YARD AREA THAT THE STREET THAT 70% OF THE STREET FACING FACADE IS TO BE IN, TO BE LOCATED IN.
UM, BUT THEN YOU SEE THE, UH, THE BLUE LIGHT BLUE TRANSPARENT TRIANGLE COMING ACROSS HERE.
THAT IS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT IS PREVENTING, UM, DEVELOPMENT OR ANY FACADE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
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YOU ALSO HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE TURQUOISE LINES OR THE SIDEWALKS, UH, AND COURSE THE, THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SINK INFRAS STRUCTURE.SO TO, TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AGAIN, THE GREEN AREA IS THE AREA THAT THE FACADE IS REQUIRED TO BE IN.
UM, THE TODAY, THIS ISN'T THE NORTH, THE PLAIN NORTH, UH, IS A DRIVE INTO THE, THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO IN TO A DEGREE O THAT, UM, THE SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST IS THE STREET FACING THE SOD FRONTAGE OF DESTRUCTION IS REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN A MINIMUM FIVE FEET AND MAXIMUM EIGHT FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR 70% OF THE LOT WOOD.
UM, THAT, THAT AREA THAT WE WERE TA THAT I'M TA SPEAKING TO NOW, WAS WHAT WAS SHOWN IN GREEN ON THE SITE.
UM, AND AS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN, GOUL STREET, HE IS MAKE, UH, IS ONLY ABLE TO, UM, ACQUIRE 38% OF THE STREET FACING FACADE TO BE LOCATED WITH THEM, OR 19 FEET OF THE 50 FOOT LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.
MCKEE STREET IS PROPOSING 68% OR 34 FEET OF 55TH, UH, PROPERTY LINE WITH WIDTH OF PROPERTY LINE.
THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, AND WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, UH, AT THE SITE PLAN AGAIN, REPEAT THIS, UM, THAT THE PSYCH CONSTRAINT OF THE 30 FOOT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT WAS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN, UM, IN TRANSPARENT BLUE, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF GOLD STREET AND MCKEES STREET, UH, 60 FEET OF THE 50 FOOT LENGTH FOR 32% OF THE LOT WIDTH IS WITHIN THAT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE ALONG BOTH RULE STREET AND THE KEY STREET.
AND THEREFORE THAT PREVENTS, UH, ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE PREVENTS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT, UH, TRIANGLE.
UM, WE, WHAT THE, THE ASK IS THAT, UH, CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND, UH, DEFENDANT PDS OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MAY APPROVE A SITE PLAN THAT DEVIATES FROM REQUIRED STREET DRAINAGE BY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC NOTICE PROCEDURE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AS A MINOR, AS MINE, AS PER MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF, AND THIS IS WHAT, UH, YOUR CRITERIA FOR MAKING THAT DETERMINATION OF EXCEPTION, UH, NUMBER ONE IS STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH STREET FRONTAGE OR, UH, STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE IMPRACTICAL DUE TO SITE CONSTRAINTS OR WITH CONS WITH RESULT IN A SUBSTANTIAL HARDSHIP.
UH, THE VARIATE OR THE VARIATION OR EXCEPTION FOR THE STREET FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THE SITE PLAN FURTHERS THE STATED PURPOSE WITHIN THIS, UH, SECTION.
AND THAT IS PURPOSE OF THIS SUBDISTRICT IS TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF MODERATE DENSITY OFFICE LODGING, RETAIL, AND RESIDENTIAL USES IN COMPATIBLE COMBINATIONS ALONG THE, ALONG THE MAIN STREET CORRIDORS THAT SERVE THE ARIES FOR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS INCREASED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE USE OF THE COURAGE, THE PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES WITHIN THE, WITH HISTORIC VALUE.
UM, THE, THIS IS NOT THIS AREA AND THE STREETS WITHIN MCKEE, UM, ARE NOT MAIN STREET CORRIDORS THROUGH, UH, THIS AREA.
SO TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SITE, THE AREA SURROUNDING THIS IS LOOKING AT, UM, THE PROPERTY FROM THE CORNER OF, UH, GO.
AND THE KEY, AND IT AGAIN, THE PROPERTY DIMENSIONS ARE 50 BY 50, SO IT'S SQUARE FOOT, AS YOU CAN SEE, I AM STANDING LOOKING ACROSS, UH, ONTO THE PROPERTY.
AND TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS WHERE
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THE PARKING LOT, UM, WAS.THERE IS, UH, AN 18 WHEEL WERE, THIS OCCURRED BOTH TIMES THAT I WAS OUT THERE UNLOADING, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GET REALLY GOOD SHOTS OF ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THIS IS STANDING LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION, UM, ONTO THE PROPERTY AND AGAIN, AND AT THE CORNER OF GOLDEN MCKEE AND LOOKING UP MCKEE STREET.
SO WE'VE GOT, UH, JUST TO THE LEFT OF WHERE THE CAR IS, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT THERE AS WELL.
THAT'S ON THE SIDE, NOT ON THE SIDE.
IT'S ADJACENT BEHIND JUST, UH, WHAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THE SIGN ON, GO TO THE LEFT OF THE SITE.
ON THE POOL IS AT NEVER SINGLE, THE PARTMENT.
SO SINGLE FAMILY, THE SIDE AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY.
ON THE, AND IT'S VERY, IT IS A VERY COMPACT AREA.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS TO THE, ACROSS THE KEY, UM, AS YOUR, THIS IS A KEY LOOKING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE, ON THE RIGHT AND OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF STREET.
THIS IS A CROSS STANDING ON THE PROPERTY LOOKING ACROSS GOUL OBJECTION.
AND AGAIN, UH, LOOKING AT ACROSS GOUL TO THE, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS CRITICAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN FOR MCKEES STREET AND GOLD STREET.
THAT IS THE RELIEF THAT YOU ALL ARE MAKING YOUR DECISION ON, NOT THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN, BUT THE LEAD BASED ON THE SITE PLAN TWO WITH E STREET AND WOODS STREET.
THANK YOU, MS. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CATCH THAT, THAT QUESTION THAT WAS A QUESTION, MS. WOMAN, DID YOU GET A QUESTION? DID I DIDN'T, I'M SORRY.
OH, YOU DIDN'T, OKAY, MR. YOUNG, UM, AM I RIGHT THAT THE DRIVING FORCE NECESSITATING THIS AMENDMENT IS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE? YES.
AND IN FACT, EVEN IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WERE TO SCRAP THE SITE AND TRY AND REBUILD IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AND THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON MCKEE STREET, AT LEAST GEOMETRICALLY, THEY CAN'T DO ON, ON LEADERS.
WELL, THEY, THEY COULD SHORTEN THE, OR OR NARROW THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IF THEY REBUILT, OR, OR, YES.
I MEAN, YES, BUT SHORT OF REBUILDING, THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD, WELL, THERE'S THE SITE IS, IS UNDEVELOPED, SO THEY ARE BUILDING, SO, SO THEY COULD CONCEIVABLY IF, UH, BUILD WIDER ON GO STREET AND UH, I GUESS THEY PROBABLY STILL COULDN'T COMPLY.
CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY, UM, THE MOST THAT THEY COULD GET ON, UM, MCKEE, WHICH IS, AND GOUL IS 68% AT MASS.
DUE TO THE VISIBILITY TRAINING.
AND DOES THIS SITUATION ARISE FREQUENTLY IN CS AREN'T, AREN'T THERE MANY OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THIS MIGHT COME UP? I THINK THERE WILL BE, YES, BECAUSE IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL, UM, LOTS IN THERE THAT ARE READY FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, THEY'RE UNBEL CURRENTLY.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'LL BE SEEING THESE, UM, MORE OFTEN.
AND WAS, WAS THIS JUST SOMETHING WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHEN WE DID RECEIVE THIS PDV? IT WAS, NO, WE DID THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT WANTED TO HAVE THIS STREET FACING, UH, FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, WALKABILITY THROUGH OH, SURE.
BUT CREATING, AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ADDED THE C P C ABILITY TO, UH, OKAY.
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GIVE RELIEF TO THE REQUIREMENT WE COULD HAVE IF, IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT CRAFTED AN EXCEPTION WHERE THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE DOES NOT PERMIT COMPLIANCE, BUT INSTEAD WE WENT THE YES GENERIC AT THE TIME.WE, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE, AND I THINK WE MAY BE SEEING THESE AGAIN.
UM, BUT THEN MANY OF THE LOTS ARE CON CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY OR MAYBE LARGER.
WE MAY BE RELATED TO OTHER TYPES OF, UM, ISSUES WITH THEM.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, WHICH IS WHY THE WAS, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S QUESTIONS.
SO THE PD FOR CEDARS, WE REALLY INTENDED, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR MULTI MIXED USE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS, YOU, YOU THIS, BECAUSE IN A NORMAL JUST SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DUE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE.
SO YOU CAN, UM, I'M JUST, THIS COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL.
THIS COMES FROM, UM, OUR TAKEOFF OF ARTICLE 13, WHICH IS OUR FORM DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND THAT HAVE, UH, MEN MAX FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
UH, SO WE TOOK THAT, UH, AND PUT IT INTO IT INTO PD THREE 17.
AND YES, TO YOUR QUESTION, IT IS A MIXED USE, UH, AREA.
IN FACT, IT ALLOWS, AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF ALL OF CEDARS, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE URBAN FOR STUFF.
I'M SORRY, TO MAKE IT MORE URBAN FOR STUFF.
SO IT DID RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED.
AND IT IS IN THAT SAME VEIN WITH THE MINMAX FRONTYARD SETBACKS IS INTENDED TO BRING THAT, UM, INTO THE, THE PUBLIC WELL, UH, FOR YOUR WALKABILITY AND YOUR, UM, ACCESSIBILITY IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT IT IS A VERY WIDE VARIETY OF, UM, TYPES OF USES THROUGHOUT THE AREA AND THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT SUBDISTRICTS.
THANK YOU, MR. HER, UM, WAS THIS IN THANK YOU CHAIR WITH THE, UH, CHANGES TO THE SETBACK AND THE WILL IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO IMPEDE ON THE SIDEWALK IF THEY DO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT REMAIN WALKABLE WITH THIS.
AND IN FACT, THIS AREA BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE, UH, TURQUOISE LINES IS THE, UH, IS THE SIX FOOT SIGN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONER? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS MORNING.
UH, WE'LL GO ON TO OUR, UH, FIRST ZONING CASE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME AT, I THINK ALL OF THE ZONING CASES HAVE COME OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THE CHEAT SUIT WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ALL PART
UH, I KNOW FOR SURE NUMBER FIVE HAS COME OFF AND I BELIEVE NUMBER THREE, UH, WILL ALSO COME OFF CONSENT.
UH, SO WE'LL START THERE, MR. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS Z 2 22 77.
IT'S AN APPLICATION DURING TWO RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 1817 FOR FIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL ENROLLMENT.
CHARTER SCHOOL ON
IT'S LOCATED, LOCATED NEAR THE CITY LIMIT, UH, TO THE EAST.
IT'S COPY OF THE EXISTENCE TODAY AND THE ADJACENT, WHICH ARE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH, SINGLE FAMILY TO WEST SINGLE FAMILY CROSS ROUTE TO THE STAFF.
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DEVELOPEDTHERE IS A 1.85 ACRE SOUTHWESTERN LOT FRONT BURTON, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UH, DEVELOPED WITH A, UH, 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND CONTAINS THE CHURCH, UM, AS WELL AS THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL.
A EXISTING SCHOOL CURRENTLY CONTAINS 15 CLASSROOMS PRE, PRE-KINDERGARTEN, PRE-KINDERGARTEN THROUGH SIXTH GRADE.
THE LOT ALSO CONTAINS TWO PORTABLE CLASSROOM BUILDINGS, UH, 1,552 SQUARE FEET AND 800 SQUARE FEET AREA.
THE 3.84 ACRE NORTH EASTERN LOT IS A FLAG LAWN HAS ACCESS FROM BURTON ROAD AND IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH PARKING LOT, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL PARKING FACILITIES FOR RESISTANCE FOR CHURCH.
AND THE S SUV WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2010, AND THAT WAS SERVED FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR MONEY RENEWAL OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIODS THEREAFTER.
AND THEN IN 2014, COUNSEL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT OF IT, UH, AGAIN FOR FIVE YEARS WITH, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
AND AT THAT POINT, AND THEN IT CAME BACK FOR AMENDMENT THEREAFTER, UM, ON, ON FEBRUARY, 2020.
AND IT, IT WAS APPROVED IN THE CONDITIONS WITH 15 CLASSROOMS IN THE CONDITIONS.
ALTHOUGH THE SITE PLAN WAS SIMILAR TO THE, WE SEE TODAY WITH A ADDITIONAL BUILDING.
AND IN, IN THIS CASE, WE DO STILL SEE THAT, UM, NEW BUILDING IN THE SOUTHWEST OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UH, THEY, YOU NEED TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS TO ALLOW THE ONLY THREE CODE C FOR, AND THERE'S THAT EXISTING ON PLANT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEIR EXPANSION IS PLANNED OR WAS PLANNED AND IT'S RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THE EXISTING OR THE PROPOSED IS QUITE SIMILAR, UM, EXPANSION IN THE SAME PLACE.
I BELIEVE THEY REARRANGED A COUPLE PARKING SPACES IN THEIR QUEUE AREA BEHIND.
AND THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR, THEIR TABLE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE 23 CLASSROOMS TOTAL, IT IS ACROSS TWO LOTS.
THE FACILITY TO CHARGE THE PARKING AND THE TOOLS ARE KIND OF ACROSS TWO LOTS.
SO BROKEN DOWN LIKE THAT, UH, EXISTING PROPOSED T M P THAT MODIFY THEIR T M P, THAT HAS ADDITIONAL ON ONSITE QING, UM, THAT IS, IS PROJECTED TO, UH, HANDLE THAT, THE QUEUING, UH, THEY'RE MOVING UP THE, THE QUEUE ON SITE, BUT IT ADDS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, UH, BY DOING SO.
SO LET'S, TO THE SITE THAT WE'RE ON BRUTON ROAD, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? UM, SO BRUTON ROAD LOOKING NORTH, UH, AT KIND OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL FACILITY.
AND THEN I THINK WE'RE JUST ENTERING KIND OF ECHO THE QUEUE ON BRUTON CIRCLING AROUND.
IT'S THE FRONT OF THE FACILITY, UM, ON SITE BACK ON, UH, BRUTON LOOKING, THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE EAST THAT IS ACTUALLY, THAT'S ON SITE LOOKING WEST OF THE ADJACENT HOMES, LOOKING SOUTH ACROSS, UH, BRUTON AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL HOMES LOOKING AT SOUTHEAST DOWN IN VIRGINIA.
SO IT'S OUR CONDITIONS, UH, THAT UPDATED THEIR, THEIR TIME PERIOD OF APPROVAL.
UM, THEY WERE A LITTLE, UH, THEIR EARLY TO WHEN THEY WOULD'VE NEEDED TO COME IN FOR, UH, RENEWAL, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE AMENDMENT, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO RENEW AND AMEND AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, THEY UPDATED THEIR HOURS OF, OF OPERATION FROM SEVEN TO 5:00 PM SO FOUR 30 AND IT, IT ADDED SATURDAY.
UM, INGRESS EGRESS, UH, REMAINS.
UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE AT PARKING PROVIDED LOCATION CYCLING.
IT'S STILL REQUIRED TO BE, UM, PARKED IN THE SAME MANNER THROUGH OUR CODE.
UM, BUT THAT WILL GIVE HIM THE ABILITY TO MOVE SPACES AROUND TO NECESSARY, UM, WHILE STILL BEING HELD TO THE REQUIREMENT OF THE, THE BASE CODE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN COMMISSION REMAINS THE SAME.
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A CONDITION OF MINOR INSULATION OF SIDEWALK, UM, WHERE THEY MAKE THE EXPANSION SINCE LEVEL WRITTEN.ASSESSOR ION IS APPROVAL FOR THEORY OF ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RULES FOR ADDITIONAL FACTOR PERIODS THERE, CAFETERIA, SUBJECT TO MANAGEMENT PLANNING CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED.
YOUR HONOR, I QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER? UM, ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO HAVE SCHOOL ON SATURDAY? I, YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, THAT WAS IN THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY ORDERED.
I, I, I ASKED, I ASKED 'EM, UM, THEY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, THAT FOR US, BUT THEY DID ADD IT INTO THAT HOURS.
HAVE YOU SEEN OTHERS RULES THAT HAVE OPEN HOURS LIKE THIS ON SATURDAYS? NO.
IT, IT MAY GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO SCHOOL RELATED ACTIVITIES ON, ON THE SATURDAY, UM, BEYOND THAT, BUT I PRESUME IT'S NOT FOR REGULAR, UM, SCHOOLING.
AND IF WE DON'T PAROLE, SO LET ME PULL BACK UP THE CONDITIONS PLEASE.
SO THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL MAY ONLY OPERATE BETWEEN SEVEN AND FIVE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
SO DOES THIS LANGUAGE MEAN THEY COULD JUST USE THE FIELDS? ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL USE? OKAY.
I THINK THAT'LL SAVE MY ACCOUNT QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SEEING THAT ANSWER? THANK YOU.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, THIS ISN'T REALLY DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE CASE, BUT THIS IS A APPLICANT THAT USES THIS SITE FOR ONE PURPOSE, YET IT'S TWO SEPARATE PLA TRACKS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RULES OR THE LAWS OR ORDINANCES? AND DO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REPL INTO ONE TRACK OR IS THIS JUST, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A CONCERN TO US.
BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR SOME INTERESTING, UH, PARKING CALCULATIONS AND THINGS.
YOU, I, I GOT, I GOT, I THINK PART OF IT IS THEY'RE NOT GOING BUILDINGS ACROSS THE LOTS.
UM, THIS IS LIKELY HOW THEY'VE ACQUIRED THE LAND OVER TIME.
UM, AND I, BUT I WON'T SPEAK TO WHETHER WE ENCOURAGE THEM, DISCOURAGED THEM FROM PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
IN THIS CASE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR FACILITIES ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT MM-HMM.
UM, AND IF THEY NEED TO, IF THEY DO NEED TO PARK DOWN A ONCE PART TIME, UH, THEY'VE CHOSEN TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE LAST.
FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER, UM, HOUSE'S, QUESTIONS, DOES EACH LOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE USES OF THAT LOT? YES.
SO THAT'S, UH, I, I'M, I MAY NEED TO REFRESH IF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UM, DO, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF NECESSARY, THEY AGREE BETWEEN THEM, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE CHURCH USE AND THE SCHOOL USE, UM, BY HAVING NON, UH, NON SIMILAR HOURS.
THAT RULE ON THE ME, THERE'S A RULE OF PROHIBITS REMOTE PARKING FOR A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
BUT IT YES, BUT THAT'S NOT APPLY TO INSTITUTIONAL, I BEG PARDON? IT DOES, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO INSTITUTIONAL USES SURE.
LET ME REVIEW WHERE WE COVER CODE.
I WAS NOT AWARE YOU COULD REMOTE PARK A SCHOOL ON A REMOTE RESIDENTIAL DOCK.
I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
DOES EACH LOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE USES ON THAT LOT? I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH, WITH ALLOWANCE FOR SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND SCHOOL THAT YEAH.
THE LARGER, UH, LOT, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE, THE SHARING THROUGH THE AGREEMENT OF, OF PARKING.
UH, WHEREAS THE OTHER LOT REQUIRES THE
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NORTHERN LOT A REQUIRES 28 SPACES AND IT INCLUDES ON THAT LOT 29TH BASIS.SO, SO THE SHARING YOU THINK WITHOUT A REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENT, EACH LOT CAN PARK ITS USES WITH SHARON? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PARKING BETWEEN THE LOTS.
THEY'RE SHARING BETWEEN THE USES.
YOU COMMISSIONER HONOR HARPER? I FORGOT.
UH, WILL THE TMP PLAN
ARE THERE ANY, I SAY THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MS. I, COMMISSIONER? YES.
IT'S KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THIS, IT'S JUST KIND OF A CURIOSITY.
LET'S JUST SAY YOU DID HAVE TWO LOTS THAT SOMEONE OWNED THAT WERE NOT PLANTED TOGETHER.
COULD YOU HAVE AN ENTITY ON ONE AND THEY PARK ON THE ADJACENT ONE, BUT AS LONG AS NOTHING CROSSES OVER, THEY'RE DEALT WITH SEPARATELY? NO, UH, YOU CANNOT.
PARKING IS AN ACCESSORY USE AND HAS TO BE ON THE SAME LOT AS THE MAIN USE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING HYPOTHETICAL THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
SO EVEN IF IT'S ADJACENT, IT'S CONSIDERED REMOTE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JUDGE? MS. ISLAND? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WE'RE GONNA SKIP FORWARD TO YES, COMMISSIONER.
UM, SO THERE WAS A TALKING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AFTER THE MEETING, UM, MR. PERRY, THERE WAS A MAJOR CONCERN DURING THE ORIGINAL, UM, WHEN THIS, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY, THIS SCHOOL WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, IT CAUSED SOME, UM, DRAINAGE, HEAT ISSUES INTO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS CALLED IN FLOODING.
UH, I GUESS ONE OF THE CITIZENS RAISED A CONCERN THAT, UM, ONCE ONE, SOMEONE MADE A BOAT ON A PROPERTY WHICH CAUSED FLOODING, I SPOKE WITH THAT PERSON.
THEY SAID THAT THEY DID THAT AFTER THE DRAINING ISSUE TO STOP THE FLOODING FROM HAPPENING AT THEIR PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO IS THERE ANY, UM, THEY SAID THAT, THAT THEY WERE HAVING ATTENTION PLUG PUT IN.
HAVE, HAVE WE MADE SURE ENGINEERS LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WAS STOPPED DRAINING.
DRAIN REVIEW IS NOT PART OF THE, THE ZONE, IT'S PART OF THE ENGINEERING CURRENT REVIEW.
SO, SO WE, THEY'RE GOING CONTINUE TO, UM, CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING ON THIS BUILDING OR MEAN ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S CAUSE FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER, OR WE COULDN'T, WE CAN'T TALK TO THE, THE ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOLVED BECAUSE IT, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN DRAWBACK COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT THIS IS CAUSING FLOODING.
UM, I, YEAH, I I UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT PART OF THE, THE ZONING REVIEW.
IT'S, UH, IT'S REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING AND PERMITING, UH, AT THE BUILDING STAGE.
SO, SO WE ARE POSSIBLY, WE ARE POSSIBLE TO APPROVE A ZONING CASE AND IT'S GONNA BE A, A ISSUE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT IN A ZONING CASE BECAUSE I WOULD WANT, I MEAN, APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSING HARM TO THE COMMUNITY SEEMS SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT ASKING
COMMISSIONER WILLER, THIS IS ANDREA.
I THINK FOR THE QUESTION, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE DRAINAGE, UH, UM, NOT, NOT AFFECTING THE LOGS AROUND IT PER THE DRAINAGE MANUAL AS A STAND OR DURING PERMITING.
THE RULING IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, SPILL WATER OUT OF THEIR LOT AT ALL.
SO THEY WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE RANGE POPULATIONS? LIKE THIS IS ALL ENGINEERING.
IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, THEY CAN GET OUT IT.
UM, I, WE ALWAYS SAY THAT WE HAVE TO TRUST THIS IS A PERMITTING ENGINEERING, PERMITTING ENGINEERING WHEN IT COMES TO LIFE SAFETY.
THEY, THIS, THESE ARE THE RULES,
BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF
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THE ORIGINAL ISSUE, V THEY DID NOT HAVE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY DID NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL, UH, WHATEVER THE SCHOOL DID ORIGINALLY.THAT THIS
AND THEY COULD COME ABOUT INTO THE ORIGINAL, THE SCHOOL ORIGINALLY, UM, SEE ISSUE.
SO, UM, OKAY, SO WE'VE NEVER ASKED ABOUT RETENTION AND RETENTION PHONES IN, IN, IN, IN LING BECAUSE I, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE HAVE, I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR SURFACE AND WE ARE LOOKING, OKAY, LIKE, I'M GONNA HAVE KIDS LATER.
CAN YOU ADD SOME TREES? CAN YOU MAKE IT PRETTIER? STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT IS THERE CHOICE IF IT'S GONNA BE UNDERGROUND, IF IT'S GONNA BE A POND, IF IT'S GONNA BE AN UNDERGROUND TANK OR IF THEY'RE GONNA IMPROVE THE UTILITIES DOWN THE ROAD.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT TELL THEM, OH, YOU HAVE TO DO SURFACE POND ATTENTION OR UNDERGROUND CAN ATTENTION.
THAT'S FOR THEIR CALCULATIONS WITH THE, WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM IN OUR, UH, PERMITTING ISSUE.
WELL, CAN WE ASK THEM THAT DURING, DURING PORTION? UM, UH, UH, WHEN THEY COME UP? HAVE THEY MANY? BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE.
UM, WE, WE, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T ASK THEM THAT IF IT'S ON OUR PLANS.
THEY, THEY SAID ON OUR PLANS THAT THEY HAD AN ATTENTION CALL, THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT READY.
UM, THE PLANS READY, BUT THEY WERE PUT THE ATTENTION FUND TO ON, ON SITE.
AND IF WE CAN ADD, I MEAN ASK ANOTHER CASES I SEE WHY ESPECIALLY ADDRESS.
SO THAT WOULD BE CAUSE THE, IF THAT
I THINK, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK WE CAN ASK, BUT WE TRY TO, AGAIN, TRUST THE PERMITTING SYSTEM.
THEY WILL HAVE TO LIKE FIX ALL THESE ISSUES FOR SURE.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS AN ENGINEER RECORD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR
AND I WOULD ADD AT THIS, AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT, UH, REGULAT REGULATE PREVIOUS COVERS.
UM, OR, OR, OR REGULATE, UM, HOW BRANDAGE IS DONE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE TOOLS BUILT INTO OUR ZONING SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TYPICALLY, UM, LOOK AT THAT PARTICULARLY WE LOOK AT OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT CENTERS, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR HIS PRESIDENT.
MR. PERRY, DID YOU, DID YOU, DID YOU ASK THEM AGAIN BECAUSE THEY DID, I KNOW THAT THEY MADE, WHEN I TALKED TO THE, THE APPLICANT AND THEY BOTH SAID, WELL, THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, UM, THE A THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO, TO SUBMIT THOSE PLANS PRIOR TO AND DELAY BEING, UM, DELAY BEING VOTED ON STATE SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE PLANS.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? COULD YOU REPEAT THE APPLICANT? WE, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS WILLING TO, UM, DELAY US VOTE
SEE THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY SAID THEY WERE, THEY WERE OPEN TO DOING THAT SO THAT WE COULD FEEL FOR SURE THAT THIS, THIS WON'T AFFECT THE COMMUNITY ANY FURTHER.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S FIND THEY'RE OKAY WITH A WHOLE YEAH.
AND LIKE IF I COULD, UM, IF I COULD JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
YEAH, IF THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A COMMISSIONER TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, ON THIS PROJECT, THAT'S CERTAINLY SORT OF ANCILLARY INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.
HOWEVER, DRAINAGE IS NOT A PART OF WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE CHARGED WITH EVALUATING ON THIS CASE.
JUSTICE STAFF ONLY EVALUATES PER ZONING AND LAND USE.
THE COMMISSIONERS ONLY EVALUATE PER ZONING AND LAND USE.
SO IF THAT'S ANCILLARY INFORMATION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE TO MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT IS NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION TO REVEAL.
SO THEY, THEY DID, WE DID SPEAK AND THEY DID SEE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPOKE AND THAT WAS THEIR MAIN, THAT WAS THE COMMUNITY RESISTANCE TO GOING ANYTHING FURTHER WITH THIS PROJECT WAS THAT IT HAD, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE, THEY'VE NOT BEEN ANY BACK FROM THAT.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT'S BEEN GOING OFF.
CONS DRAIN OF IS NOT A PART OF THE REVIEW OF THE ZONING CASE.
SO THAT TRADITIONALLY PART OF CONVERSATION SURROUNDING THE ZONING CASE, I,
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IF I, I THINK DAVID IS HERE AND HE WANTS TO MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OR CO COMMISSIONER WHEELER.I, I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH THAT WHETHER, WHETHER YOUR OPINION IS TO DENY OR APPROVE THE PROJECT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THOSE CONCERNS FROM THE NETWORK.
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY ZERO LOSS TO LOT RANGE ALLOWED IF THERE IS ANY CURRENTLY.
UH, THERE IS AN ENGINEER OF RECORD THAT IS STILL BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE, UH, FOR WHAT HAS ALREADY BEING CONSTRUCTED.
AND WE CAN IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THEM AND PULL OUR FILES AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS YOUR, UM, NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.
IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO FURTHER REVIEW IT AT PERMITTING AT THIS POINT.
SO ACTUALLY APPROVING THIS REQUEST WOULD ALLOW CITY STAFF TO, UM, HOLD THEIR PROJECT UNTIL THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED.
BUT IN ANY CASE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE ENGINEER OF RECORD.
THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE A RECORD OF THE REQUEST 3 1 1 IS THE PERFECT WAY TO START THAT CONVERSATION AND WE CAN, I THINK THEY HAVE SUBMITTED 3 1 1.
IT JUST, IT, IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS ALSO WILLING TO HOLD IT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE CONCERN AND THEY, THEY WANT TO MEET THOSE PLANS TO COUNTY THE RETENTION.
THEY SAID NOT RETENTION DETENTION.
AND, AND, AND IF THERE'S THE 3 1 1 REQUEST ALREADY ON FILE, IF YOU SENT ME THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE SURE TO UPDATE.
I'M, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN THAT THE TM P WAS OKAY.
THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, SO.
COMMISSIONER WHEEL BEFORE WE GO TO A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS, IS GONNA REQUEST A HOLD IT WHEN I HOLD IT TILL OCTOBER 5TH OR ANOTHER DAY.
UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE AGREED FOR A MONTH SO THAT THEY CAN GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE ISSUE A MONTH.
UM, BUT IF THEY CAN KIND OF SHOW US THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALRIGHT.
SO WE'LL HOLD IT TO OCTOBER 19TH.
UH, WE HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. BULKY, I WANNA SAY ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER SAYS.
WHEN I HAD THE CASE ABOUT A YEAR AGO AT COCHRANE CHAPEL, WHICH WAS THE SAME THING, WE HAD A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
NOW IT WAS DOING A PD, BUT WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION WITH THE, UH, ATTORNEY ABOUT IT THAT WHY WOULD WE BE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT UPFRONT WE KNEW THERE WAS A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
SO THEREFORE IT WAS DECIDED IN THAT CASE THAT YES, IT IS PART OF OUR COMMISSION STUDIO IF WE KNOW THAT WE SHOULD DEAL WITH THAT INITIALLY BEFORE WE APPROVE SOMETHING TO BE BUILT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUE, NOT JUST ONE THAT WAS FOUND BY ENGINEERING.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD APPROVE SOMETHING IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT MY QUESTION IS ALSO IN AN SS U P BECAUSE MY CASE WAS A PD, SO YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY GONNA GO THROUGH A FULL ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT.
DOES THE S U P GO THROUGH THAT SAME RIGOROUS? IS IT PERMITTING IS PERMITTING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PD OR S U P.
WHAT TRIGGERS PERMITTING IS A NEW BUILDING OR OTHER SITUATIONS.
SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER PD S U P BASED ON IT, YOU STILL NEED TO PULL A PERMIT.
YOU'LL STILL NEED HAVE ENGINEERING REPAIR.
AND EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE HAD SUVS BEFORE, THE FACT THAT IT'S CLEAR NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
LIKE AGAIN, IT'S THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE KEEP SEEING PERMITTING AND THE REVIEWS AND THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING REVIEW.
AND WHEN IT, UH, IF YOU HAVE A NEW BUILDING, IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS FULL ENGINEERING.
AND IT, IT IS NOT LIKE, AGAIN, LIKE AS, AS RYAN WAS SAYING, AND AS I WAS SAYING, AND DAVID WAS SAYING, BOTTOM LINE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE IS NOT ALLOWED.
THE WAY THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE AND THE WATER STAYING ON THEIR PROPERTY.
IT'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS, A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT ARE NOT UNDER THIS PERMIT BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT DISCRETIONARY.
HOWEVER, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REBUILD ST.
MARK'S SCHOOL BEFORE WE ADDRESSED THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. WE COULDN'T GET THAT APPROVED.
IT WASN'T GOING TO NEED PERMITTING.
THE DRAINAGE PROB PROBLEM WAS NOT PART OF C P C DETERMINATION OR RECOMMENDATION OR DECISION.
BUT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM WAS A DISCUSSION OF ENGINEERING DURING PERMITTING.
BUT THIS IS WHEN WE WERE GETTING THE APPROVAL FOR THE REBUILD BEFORE WE COULD GET APPROVAL FOR THE ST.
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REBUILT.AND THIS WAS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, WE HAD TO GET THE DRAINING ISSUE BECAUSE WHAT THEY SAID WAS, WE CAN'T GO AHEAD WITH PUTTING THIS CASE FORWARD TO THE C P C WITHOUT DEALING AND MITIGATING WHAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE DRAINAGE ISSUES COMING TO PERMITTING.
SO WE HAD TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE DEALT WITH FIRST BEFORE WE COULD HAVE IT BROUGHT FOR APPROVAL HERE.
SO EVERY SUM CASE HAS SOME THAT FLOOD LANE ISSUE, NOT FLOOD DRAINAGE ISSUES.
A LOT OF 'EM, WE DON'T SEE 'EM HERE.
AND SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, AH, I WISH WE TO TALK ABOUT THEM HERE, BUT WE DON'T BECAUSE IT'S ZONING FIRST THEN THEN PLANNING, THEN PERMITING ENGINEERING, AND THEN PERMITING THAT THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT FOLLOWS.
AND OTHERWISE WE GET INTO THE CHICKEN N D EGG.
WHY, WHY WOULD A DEVELOPER ADDRESS DRAINAGE ISSUES WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO DEVELOP WHAT THEY WANT TO? WHY WOULD THEY INVEST IN ENGINEERING FEES OR CONSULTANTS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE ZONING RIGHTS TO DEVELOP A I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS ON, ON ON DRAINAGE.
ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT ZONING RELATED.
I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE DISCUSSED HERE IN THE PUBLIC SETTING.
UH, BUT, BUT I WILL JUST SAY THAT A LOT OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUNDING CASES THAT WE SEE HERE, UH, OKAY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DO WANNA TO GET RESOLVED OTHERWISE WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.
I DO WANNA ADD ONE OTHER THING THOUGH.
SOMETIMES YOU GO TO PLANNERS THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AND I RESPECT THIS.
THEY WILL SAY TO ME, AND I'VE HAD THIS SAID, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS WITH VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE, I CAN'T BRING THIS CASE FORWARD.
AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ST.
MARK'S KNOWING THAT IT WON'T MEET PERMITTING STANDARDS, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH PERMITTING.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS NOW, NOT LATER BEFORE I BRING IT UP.
AND WHAT SPECIFIC ISSUES ARE THOSE THAT ARE PLANNER SAYS WE CAN'T BRING THIS CASE FORWARD UNTIL WE ADDRESS THOSE? WELL, ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A TREE ISSUE.
ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A TREE THAT AFFECTS DRAINAGE ISSUE.
I MEAN, I'VE HAD A LOT OF SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AND I JUST THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THE ONE THING I AGREE WITH IS IF WE KNOW UPFRONT, AND I'VE HAD PLANNER SAY THIS, THAT THERE ARE MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUES, I DO THINK THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY, LET'S SEE IT HERE AND APPROVE THAT YOU CAN BUILD THIS.
AND WE KNOW UPFRONT THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
I THINK THAT THAT IS A FINE LINE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT NOT JUST THIS, AND IT HASN'T BEEN ACROSS THE BOARD NO DRAINAGE ISSUES.
'CAUSE WHEN THEY COME UP HERE, THEN IT IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS YOUR SENSE OF APPROVAL.
IT'S HARD TO SAY, WELL, DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT.
THAT, THAT PROJECT WILL NEVER WORK.
UH, MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, SIR? UH, I DID, UH, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR WITH COMMISSIONER STAND.
UH, MR. MULKEY, I'M GONNA WARN YOU, THIS IS A LOADED QUESTION.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE THAT WILL ENSURE THAT IT IS NOT A DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE IN EVERY SINGLE CASE.
WELL, DOES THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS PERFECT.
IT'S NOT, BUT WE HAVE THE RULES WRITTEN FOR THEM AND THEY'RE NOT UNDER ALL PURVIEW.
LIKE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LOCK TO LOT RANGE MANUAL OF, THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, LETTER TO CITY MANAGER TO THAT DEPARTMENT IS NOT OUR DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NOT OUR DEPARTMENT WHO DOES THAT.
SO, SO LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY THIS AND AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL HAVE LOTS OF RESPONSES TO THIS.
UM, UH, YOUR POWERS ARE MORE LIMITED THAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE SOMETIMES.
I'M NOT DENYING THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I I I AM, I'M NOTIONAL, RIGHT? UM, THE COMMISSION'S ABILITY TO IMPACT THAT, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT ABILITY.
YOUR ABILITY IS CONFINED TO ZONING AND LAND USE REVIEW.
SO ANYTHING THAT IS TYPICALLY PART OF A ZONING CASE BE THAT CONSIDERING IF A CERTAIN USE IS APPROPRIATE IN AN AREA, IF A CERTAIN DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE IN AN AREA, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A PD, IF CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS OR DEVIATIONS TO CODE LOOKING AT AN S P, THAT
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THE USE NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.RIGHT? BUT 'CAUSE OF ALIENS OR BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE OR 'CAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT YOUR POWERS TO IMPACT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE ARE LIMITED TO ZONING.
I HAVE POWER TO VOTE, NOT CAN I HERE AND MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT.
LIKE ALL OF THIS, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW THEM TO SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEIR PERMIT IS GONNA GET APPROVED.
THE PERMIT AGAIN, IS STILL GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS.
IF THEY DON'T MEAN ENGINEERING AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE BUILDING LAYOUT, THEY'RE COMING HERE BACK.
WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM THE PERMIT RIGHT NOW.
I THEN AGAIN, YES, WE THINK FROM A LAND'S PERSPECTIVE, THIS CAN GO AND NOW YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO PERMITTING.
SO THAT IT, AND THEN AFTER IT'S BUILT, AGAIN, THERE ARE SO MANY MECHANISMS IT DOESN'T WORK.
3 1 1 COMPLAINTS, WE WILL, WE WILL GO BACK AND REASSESS.
OR IF THEY COME BACK TO US, WE SAID, OKAY, IT DIDN'T WORK.
NO SS U P BUT THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S A WHEEL OF DEVELOPMENT AND THEN IT'S A WHEEL OF THE CITY LIFE AND WE'RE JUST PART OF IT.
WE'RE NOT, NOT ONE OF THE ALL DOESN'T NOT NECESSARILY PLUG THE SYSTEM.
I HAVE ABOUT TWO HOURS OF THINGS TO SAY, SAY, BUT THEY ALL DID WITH PERIODS.
I, IT IT ALMOST MAKES, IT ALMOST MAKES US APPROVE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE FORESIGHT ON IN SAYING IF THIS WAS A NEW S U P THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT IF THIS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A S U P THAT IS, THAT'S RENEWING AND ASKING FOR, FOR THIS BODY TO APPROVE MORE.
AND THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AT THE FIRST S U P AND IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE, AND, AND KNOWING THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS SAYING THAT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS.
WE'RE GONNA PASS IT ALONG AND HOPE THAT, AND, AND PERMITTING IT GETS, IT GETS IT RIGHT WHEN THEY DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
SO ADDRESSING IT AND, AND PUT IT IN OUR RECORD AND PUT AND, AND, AND MAKES A DIFFERENCE, EVEN IF WE NECESSARILY DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT.
WE CAN PUT IT ON RECORD WHERE NOW ENGINEERING OR, AND, AND COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS IT BECAUSE JUST APPROVING SOMETHING, HAVING THAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO APPROVE AN INITIAL CLASSROOM WHEN THEY HAVEN'T GOT IT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, IF WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE CAUSING INTIMATE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY AND FLOODING CAUSES THAT QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.
SO IT MAKES US, IT MAKES US ALMOST BE IRRESPONSIBLE KNOWING THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
THIS CASE IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO TO OUR CODE AMENDMENT NEXT.
WE'LL SWING BACK TO ZONING CASES.
SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER 11 I BELIEVE IS D C A 2 2 3 0 0 2.
UM, IT'S REGARDING ADULT DAYCARE, FACILITIES, CHILDCARE FACILITIES AND DAY HOMES.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A A FEW THINGS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
UM, STEVEN DOSS WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, SENIOR PLANNER ON THIS ONE.
SO HE, HE MOVED TO GREENER PASTURES.
HE, HIS FAMILY MOVED OUT TO ARKANSAS WHERE THEIR FAMILIES ARE FROM.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, UH, IT'S BEEN FUN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PLANNER SIDE, THE SENIOR PLANNER SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT I FORGOT TO INCLUDE THE MINUTES FROM ZAC.
SO I HAVE THREE COPIES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE IN CASE YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
SO, UM, THIS IS A VERY LONG PARAGRAPH THAT I PROMISE I'LL READ IN THIS AFTERNOON, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, UH, I'LL READ THE SUMMARY.
UM, AND IT'S SOME PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS.
SO TO THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS IS A SITE SPECIFIC, BUT THIS IS TO THE BIG BOOK OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, AND THE PROPOSALS ARE BASICALLY TO COMBINE THE USES OF ADULT DAYCARE AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES INTO ONE PLANNED USE, UM, TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND, UM, LOOKING, WE LOOKED AT THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO PROPOSALS TO REMOVE THE AGE LIMITATION OF ACCESSORY
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DAY HOMES.THIS, UM, AND I'LL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT AND TO UPDATE SOME TERMINOLOGY IS BASICALLY THE SCOPE OF EVERYTHING.
UM, SO AN OVERVIEW OF THE BRIEFING IS GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE OF AMENDMENTS, THE BACKGROUND OF THE CASE, UM, OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN FINDING AND OPENING DAYTIME CARE, UM, UH, THE NEEDS OF ADULT DAYCARES AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
AND, UH, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE DIFFERENCES IN RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO BRING ALL AT TO SPEED ON THE NON-CONFORMING NOTICES THAT WE SENT OUT.
SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY INITIATED BY C P C IN DECEMBER.
UH, DURING OUR RESEARCH, WE NOTICED THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD INCLUDE DAY HOMES, UH, WHICH IS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, WHERE UP TO 10 CHILDREN MAY BE CARED FOR BY A RESIDENT OF THE RESIDENTS.
SO IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, TO THAT RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, BUT SINCE IT PROVIDES DAYTIME CARE, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT.
UM, SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET THREE TIMES, UM, OVER THE SUMMER AND IT WAS NINE AND A HALF HOURS OF DISCUSSION.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER EVERY DETAIL.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE AGREED ON MOST THINGS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAINLY GOING OVER WHERE THE DIFFERENCES WERE BETWEEN STAFF.
AND SO ACTUALLY THIS BRIEFING, UM, JUST A GENERAL, UM, BRINGING UP TO SPEED, THESE ARE THE SCOPE OF OUR AMENDMENTS ARE, AGAIN, RELATED TO CHILDCARE, ADULT DAYCARE AND DAY HOMES.
MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, NOTICE THAT IT IS DAYTIME CARE, SO NOBODY'S SPENDING THE NIGHT HERE.
SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, OUR CONVALESCENT NURSING HOMES, OUR ASSISTED LIVING OR RETIREMENT HOUSING, OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES OR HANDICAPPED GROUP DUALING UNITS OR BOARDING HOMES.
NONE OF THOSE ARE PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
IT'S ALSO NOT INCLUDING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS THE CARE FOR, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN, UM, ALSO PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND, UM, THE ELDERLY THAT MIGHT NEED DAYTIME SUPERVISION.
UM, SO THERE ARE LOTS OF REGULATIONS IN THE CODE ALREADY THAT, UH, AIM TO ADDRESS THE COMP COMPATIBILITY OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND JUST TO GO OVER THOSE BRIEFLY, UM, YOU CAN'T PARK IN THE FRONT YARD.
UH, NON RESIDENTIAL USES MAY NOT PARK IN THE FRONT YARD OF, UH, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS REGULATION KINDA, I THINK IT WAS ADDED, UM, MAYBE IN THE SIXTIES OR EIGHTIES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING SITES THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING.
SO THERE IS DEFINITELY THAT THING, BUT FOR NEW USES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD.
UM, ALSO AS, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG BROUGHT UP, YOU CAN'T HAVE A REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENT IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, AND, UM, ARE ALL THE PARKING LOADING AND GARBAGE STORAGE AREAS HAVE TO BE SCREENED WITH THE SIX FOOT SOLID SCREENING FENCE.
UH, THERE'S LIGHTING STANDARDS FOR PARKING LOTS.
UM, YOU GOTTA HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND EVEN THE SIGNS HAVE TO FOLLOW NON-BUSINESS SIGN REGULATIONS.
SO THERE'S TYPICALLY LIKE YOUR MONUMENT SIGNS AND STUFF.
AND THESE ARE ALL, UH, INHERENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL USE, SORRY, NON RESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO, UM, SO I CAME UP WITH THIS VENN DIAGRAM, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC, BUT, UM, IN REMEMBERING P T S D AND FINDING CHILDCARE MYSELF,
SO I REALLY HAD TO DIG IT OUT OF MY MEMORY, UM, THAT I WAS SUPPRESSED.
THERE'S ABOUT THREE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF GO OVER THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING WITH PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHENEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND CHILDCARE.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE MAY, THESE CIRCLES MAY BE DIFFERENT IN SIZE DEPENDING ON YOUR PARTICULAR NEEDS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A NURTURING ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR DEPENDENT.
UM, YOU'RE ALSO PROBABLY LOOKING FOR CONVENIENCE, UM, AND YOU'RE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE IT FITS IN YOUR BUDGET.
SO THESE ARE KIND OF LIKE THE THREE THINGS THAT ARE WARRING ON ANYBODY LOOKING FOR DAYTIME SUPERVISION OF A LOVED ONE.
UM, AND THAT MIDDLE PART RIGHT THERE IS, IS REALLY RARE TO FIND, AND NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIND ALL THREE THINGS REALLY WORKING FOR THEM.
AND, UH, THAT'S ALSO A PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, OR AT LEAST WHY I WANT
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TO TALK ABOUT IT.UM, I ALSO HAVE, UH, THE DIRECTOR FROM OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE HERE AND, UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, UM, PROVIDES DIRECTION AND OVERSIGHT ON THE CITY'S SOCIAL, HUMAN AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES TO HELP CREATE EQUITY FOR SENIORS, CHILDREN, AND OTHER CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS TO PROVE THE, THEIR QUALITY AND STANDARD OF LIVING.
AND, UM, I THINK SHE HAS A, YOU HAVE A COUPLE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO MENTION.
UM, SO I, I DO WANNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THIS, UM, COMMISSION'S WILLINGNESS TO TAKE UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE BOTH OF THESE USES ARE SO CRITICALLY NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND VERY, VERY UNDERSERVED.
UM, SO I DO HAVE SOME DATA I'VE SHARED HERE ON CHILDCARE IN DALLAS COUNTY, THERE'S 30 THAT ARE KNOWN AS CHILDCARE DESERTS AND SIX, UH, 17 ZIP CODES.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S BASICALLY MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF SIX AS THERE ARE SIGNS, SEATS AVAILABLE TO SERVE THEM.
UM, I'M SORRY, WAS THERE? NO, SHE SHE'S NEEDED.
UM, AND SO, SO PARDON? COMMISSIONER REER, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR MIC? OH, OKAY.
SO, UM, SO, UM, AND THE ZIP CODES ARE, UM, SOUTHERN AND SOUTHEASTERN DALLAS ARE KIND OF WHERE THOSE ARE THE MOST HEAVILY CONCENTRATED.
UM, A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IS THAT DALLAS ACTUALLY NEEDS AT LEAST 7,000 MORE LICENSED CHILDCARE SEATS.
UM, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE DUE TO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE IS ACTUALLY BASED ON LICENSING CAP CAPACITY AND NOT ACTUAL CAPACITY.
SO A FACILITY MIGHT BE LICENSED BY THE STATE, UM, TO SERVE A CERTAIN NUMBER BASED ON LIKE FIRE CODES AND INSPECTIONS AND THINGS, BUT THEIR TRUE ABILITY TO SERVE MIGHT BE EVEN LESS THAN THAT BASED ON STAFFING OR THE WAY THE PLACE IS SET UP, ET CETERA.
SO THERE'S A, A HUGE GAP OF AT LEAST 7,000.
UM, AND WE ALSO KNOW, UM, THAT CHILDCARE CENTERS ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF A TRADITIONAL PATHWAY, UM, TO OUT OF POVERTY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO NOT ONLY DO THEY PROVIDE A CRITICAL RESOURCE FOR, UM, PARENTS WHO NEED SOMEWHERE FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO BE CARED FOR, UM, AND TO OF COURSE LEARN AND BE READY FOR SCHOOL WHEN THEY'RE WORKING, BUT ALSO A VERY DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT RUN CHILDCARE CENTERS ARE WOMEN AND WOMEN OF COLOR.
UM, AND SO IN TWO WAYS THESE FACILITIES ARE A PATHWAY OUT OF POVERTY, UM, AND A PATHWAY TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, EQUITABLE OF COURSE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE REALLY ALSO A SMALL BUSINESS CONVERSATION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE ADULT DAYCARE CENTER, AND I WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT, UM, KIND OF DISAPPOINTED AT HOW HARD IT WAS TO FIND SOME REAL DATA ON THIS, UM,
UM, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS, UM, THESE PROVIDE, UM, SOCIAL SKILL, RECREATIONAL AND THEN OF COURSE LIKE SUPPORT SERVICES.
SO THEY MAY EVEN BE THINGS LIKE HELPING PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKING THE APPROPRIATE MEDICATIONS AND COUNSELING AND ALL OF THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT NEEDS.
UM, MO MANY, A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVED BY ADULT CARE CENTERS ACTUALLY HAVE COGNITIVE, UM, DISABILITIES, BUT OVERALL, UM, THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WITH, UH, PHYSICAL OR COGNITIVE LIMITATIONS.
AND SO THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, OUR OLDER ADULT POPULATION IS DRAWING BY FAR, UM, IS THE LARGEST GROWING POPULATION.
AND WHILE THE POVERTY RATE FOR, UM, NON-SENIOR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY ACTUALLY DECREASED FROM 2014 TO 2019 BY ABOUT 16% THE POVERTY RATE FOR PEOPLE FOR OLDER ADULTS, OUR SENIOR POPULATION ACTUALLY INCREASED BY 10%.
SO AS WE SEE THAT SHIFTING POPULATION, WE'RE ALSO SEEING SHIFTING POVERTY.
AND SO ALL THAT'S TO SAY THAT THOUGH I DON'T REALLY HAVE A REALLY LOVELY NUMBER IN ORDER TO ESTIMATE THE GAP IN TERMS OF NEEDED SERVICES, WE DO SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE GROWING OLDER WHO ARE HAVING SOME OF THOSE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS WHERE ARE NEED OF THESE SERVICES AND HAVE LIMITED FUNDS.
UM, AND WE DO EXPECT THAT TRAJECTORY TO CONTINUE TO GROW.
AND AS SUCH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE A A R P ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE NEED FOR THESE CENTERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AS WELL.
SO I WANT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS CONSIDERING TAKING STEPS THAT CAN MAKE IT EASIER FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND FOR INDIVIDUALS AND EVEN NONPROFITS TO MAKE THESE SERVICES AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT EVERY STEP AND EVERY BARRIER WE CAN REMOVE TO MAKING MORE FACILITIES, BOTH FOR ADULTS AND FOR CHILDCARE IS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO GO OVER WHERE ADULT DAYCARE IS ALLOWED RIGHT NOW.
UH, THESE ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR SENIORS, BUT ALSO, UM, ANYBODY THAT'S OVER THE AGE OF 14 REALLY.
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UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE CHILDCARE ENDS, ALTHOUGH ANYWAY, UM, SO IT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, UH, IN RETAIL CSS AND INDUSTRIAL CENTRAL AREA, WHICH IS LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN MIXED USE MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL AND URBAN CORRIDOR DISTRICTS.UM, THE LIMITED USES ARE KIND OF FAR AND FAR BETWEEN, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY IN THOSE MULTIFAMILY OR OFFICE.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ALSO ALLOWED BY, UM, S U P AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SIMILAR TO CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE H H S DATA, UM, OF FACILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN DALLAS, TEXAS, WE ONLY FOUND 10 OF 'EM, AND I PUT 'EM ON A MAP HERE.
UM, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS SOUTHWEST OF DOWNTOWN, IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARKING LOT IN THE OLD CLIFFY MUNICIPAL CENTER.
UM, SO I'VE SPENT MANY YEARS GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT AND, UM, IF IT, IF IT IS ANY CONSTELLATION, I ONLY SAW THE PARKING LOT ABOUT HALF FULL.
AND MOST PEOPLE ARRIVED BY BUS, LIKE, LIKE THEIR OWN CENTERS PARATRANSIT FACILITY, IF YOU WILL.
SO THEY, IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WENT AND PICKED UP, UM, YOU KNOW, KNOW PEOPLE AND BROUGHT IT TO THE FACILITY.
BUT, UM, YOU MIGHT ALSO NOTICE IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO TELL, BUT MOST OF THESE, UM, AREAS ARE REALLY PRETTY CLOSE TO INTERSTATES.
I MEAN, A LOT OF DALLAS REALLY IS, BUT, UM, THESE ARE VERY, THESE, UM, NOT QUITE RESIDENTIAL, ALTHOUGH THE ONE IN OAK CLIFF THAT, UM, UM, IT WAS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARKING LOT, UM, IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROW OF HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF IT, SO REALLY, SO YEAH.
IS THEY'RE NOT, IS THAT THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL OR ANY, ANY OF THESE? I THINK IT WAS MIXED USE, UM, OVER THERE IN, UH, IN OAK CLIFF BY THE OAK OAKLAND MUSICAL CENTER.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS.
UM, I DIDN'T, UM, I LOOKED AT ALL THESE ON AN AERIAL PHOTO, BUT NONE OF 'EM WERE QUITE LIKE IN YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THERE'S ONLY 10 OF 'EM RIGHT NOW IN DALLAS, WHICH IS, UM, NOT VERY MANY.
UM, SO ALSO I WANTED TO GO OVER WHERE, WHERE IS CHILDCARE ALLOWED RIGHT NOW? UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS ON WHAT A CHILDCARE FACILITY IS, IS, IS OR IS NOT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACCEPTANCE TO WHAT IS NOT.
UM, SO IT'S ANYWHERE WHERE IT'S OPERATED BY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE CHURCH.
SO IF IT'S OPERATED BY A CHURCH, IT'S JUST ALLOWED AS PART OF THAT CHURCH MAIN USE.
AND WE KNOW THAT CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE, BASICALLY.
UM, UH, IT IS ALSO ALLOWED, UM, WHENEVER IT'S IN A, IN THE OPERATOR'S RESIDENCE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE DAY HOME, UM, WHEN THERE ARE NO MORE THAN 10 CHILDREN, THE STATE LIMITS, UM, CARE IN THESE FACILITIES TO 12.
SO PART OF OUR PROPOSED TO BE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IS THAT WE INCREASE THAT LIMITATION FROM 10 TO 12.
SO IT ALIGNS WITH THE STATE REGULATIONS.
UM, ALSO THEY'RE ALLOWED, UH, OR THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED CHILDCARE FACILITIES AND ZONING IF THEY'RE AT A K TO 12 SCHOOL.
UH, IT DOESN'T OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO ENCOMPASS ALL OF THOSE GRADES.
THEY ANY PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC EDUCATION.
SO A LOT OF OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS, UM, OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, UM, OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOLS, I THINK WE HAD A CASE EARLIER THAT HAD TODAY HAD SOME PRE-K IN IT.
SO, UM, WHEN WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT SOME MORE STATISTICS ON THESE CENTERS, UM, THE STATE DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN WHAT WE CALL A CHILDCARE FACILITY AND WHAT THEY CALL A LICENSED FACILITY.
UM, I THINK IS WHAT THE TERM IS.
STEVEN WAS REALLY GOOD AT ALL THOSE TERMS FROM THE STATE.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S ALSO ALLOWED BY RIGHT, UM, KIND OF AS A DROP IN BASIS FOR SHOPPING CENTERS AND GYMS. SO, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, IF IT IS A SPECIFIC CHILDCARE FACILITY IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN RETAIL, UH, IN CSS AND INDUSTRIAL.
UM, AND I'LL BE GETTING TO THE CSS AND INDUSTRIAL AT THE END WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NONCONFORMING USES.
BUT FOR NOW, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP MOVING ON, UM, CENTRAL AREA, UM, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL AND URBAN CORRIDOR DISTRICTS.
UM, OTHERWISE IT'S BY HERE WE GO, UM, BY RIGHT AS A LIMITED USE, UM, IN THE MF THREE AND FOUR IN THE OFFICE DISTRICTS.
UM, AND YOU HAVE TO GET AN S U P IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR THE MF THREE AND FOUR.
SO ALL THESE OTHER IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS HAVE TO COME THROUGH CITY HALL YEAH.
UM, SO, UH, STEVE WAS ABLE TO DOWNLOAD SOME DATA FROM H H S AND FOUND THERE WAS 281
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H H S LICENSE CENTERS.AND HE, I THINK THE, THE MAP ON THE RIGHT ALSO INCLUDES IN-HOME FACILITIES, BUT THE PIE CHART IS JUST THE LICENSE CENTERS.
UM, SINCE WE'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THE LAND USE REGULATIONS TERRIBLY MUCH ON THE DAY HOMES WE'RE, UM, OUR DISCUSSION TODAY IS MORE ABOUT THE LICENSE CENTERS, THE MAIN USE OF CHILDCARE FACILITY, AND JUST WANTED TO GO OVER KIND OF WHERE THEY FELL IN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT A THIRD THAT ARE IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
AND SINCE WE KNOW THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE A PRE-K IN YOUR PUBLIC SCHOOL, YOUR PRIVATE SCHOOL, UM, THEN, OR, UM, IF YOU HAVE, UH, OTHER USES THAT MIGHT HAVE A PD, THEY'D BE LIKE, YOU'RE IN PD 1 93 IN A RETAIL DISTRICT THAT'S GONNA SHOW UP IN THAT PORTION OF THE PIE CHART.
SO IT IS JUST PDS, THEY'RE ALL UP TOGETHER, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT 30% IS.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, 23% THAT ARE IN RETAIL, UM, IN, IN SOME VARIETY OF RETAIL DISTRICTS.
UM, WE HAVE 32% THAT ARE IN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY.
AND SO THAT PROBABLY IS THE MAJORITY OF, UH, PROBABLY MOSTLY CHURCH OPERATED CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME SUVS IN THERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THE, THE REST OF THE MIX IS, IS ALL THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO THERE'S ONLY 2% THAT ARE LOCATED IN MULTI-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS AND WHOEVER THOSE WOULD HAVE TO GET SUVS.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, AND UNLESS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE OTHER USES, UM, AND DID YOU SAY THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ONES THAT ARE IN HOMES THAT ARE KEEPING THE 10 TO 12? RIGHT.
THE PIE CHART DOES NOT INCLUDE, DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, OKAY.
DID YOU SAID THAT, BUT THOSE HAVE TO BE LICENSED TOO? YES, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LICENSES.
SO YEAH, SO THIS, UM, ACTUALLY PULLED THIS NUMBER, IF YOU HAVE, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT MORE DETAILS ON THIS.
UM, I TOOK THIS, I MADE THIS PIE CHART OUT OF, UM, THE TABLE THAT'S DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF 1130.
UM, SO IN THAT ONE, IN THE IN-HOME FACILITIES, THERE'S 87 AND SINGLE FAMILY, 10 IN MULTIFAMILY AND 15 IN PLAIN DEVELOPMENT, AND NOTHING IN THE OTHER ONES.
UM, SO IF, IF THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, UH, INCLUDES ALL OF THE H H SS LICENSE FACILITIES, UM, IT IS PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THESE DOTS THAT ARE THE LICENSE CENTERS THAT WERE PROBABLY MORE THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S, UH, DISCUSSION.
UM, SO, UH, AND I THINK, UH, UH, UH, WE, WE JUST WENT OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT UM, WE FOUND A MAP, UM, FROM AN ORGANIZATION CALLED CHILDCARE DESERTS.ORG.
AND, UH, THE ORANGE REPRESENTS WHERE THERE IS, UH, SCARCE, UM, AVAILABILITY OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES IN THE CITY.
AND THE BLUE, UM, SHOWS IT IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE ADEQUATE SUPPLY.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, WHEN STEVEN WAS EXPLAINING THIS DATA, THEY TOOK IT BASED ON, UM, UH, CENSUS BLOCK INFORMATION ON HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE AND WHAT THE CAPACITY, UM, OF CHILDCARE WAS IN THEIR CENSUS BLOCK.
UM, UH, AND I THINK, UH, WE ALSO KIND OF MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT IT IS IN THE SLIDE AND THE REPORTS AREN'T GOING WELL.
SO, UM, THERE'S ABOUT 93,000 CHILDREN IN DALLAS UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE AND 30, ONLY APPROXIMATELY 35, UH, HUNDRED, SORRY, 35,000 LICENSED CHILDCARE SLOTS.
UM, AND THAT'S, UM, IF EVERY SPOT WAS FILLED IN THAT CAPACITY.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE THAT ARE NOT IN A, DON'T HAVE A SPOT, CANNOT HAVE A SPOT IN, IN THE CURRENTS OF LIFE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S DIFFERENT MIXES OF HOW FAMILIES WANNA RAISE KIDS AND, UM, OTHER PREFERENCES.
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE THE MEANS TO HAVE A NANNY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR MAYBE THEY JUST REALLY WANT TO BE A STAY AT HOME MOTHER.
BUT, UM, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T, IT'S VERY SCARCE AND IT'S HARD TO FIND.
THOSE 35,000 SLOTS INCLUDE CHURCHES.
AND THE DAY HOMES AND THE DAN.
WOW, THESE ARE ALL OF THE AVAILABLE SLOTS, UM, THAT HAVE UNBELIEV THAT ARE LICENSED.
MY YOUNGEST IS 11, SO WE DID THIS DANCE A FEW YEARS BACK.
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OF THAT GAP.UM, ALSO WANTED TO GO OVER SOME CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, THIS, THIS GRAPHIC IS FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU.
UM, IT WAS PRODUCED, I BELIEVE IN NINE OR 2017, IS WHAT THE IMAGE SAYS.
SO I'M GOING WITH THAT SOMETHING ELSE IN 2018.
BUT, UM, THEY WERE COMPARING, UM, THE BREAKDOWN IN AGE OVER TIME, UH, OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO THE CHART ON THE LEFT KIND OF SHOWS THIS PYRAMIDAL, UM, BREAKDOWN OF, UH, PEOPLE AGES ZERO TO, UM, UP TO 85 PLUS.
AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, UH, TAPERS OFF AS, AS YOU GET OLDER.
AND THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 85, BACK IN 1960, UM, THERE WAS LOTS OF KIDS PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT AS WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING TO BE IN 2060.
BUT, UM, THE DYNAMICS OF SOCIETY, I WOULD ARGUE ARE VERY DIFFERENT, UM, NOW THAN THEY WERE IN 1960.
UM, SO, UM, THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME REASON TO REEVALUATE WHERE THESE THINGS SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ALSO, UH, AND I THINK THAT THEY MAINLY DID THIS TO DISCUSS AGING AND HOW WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, PEOPLE AGE 85 PLUS IN 19 SIX, SORRY, IN 2060 THAN WE DO RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AGING AND, UM, A A R P HAS SAID THAT, UM, THEIR SENIORS HAVE, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELMINGLY REPORTED AS A DESIRE TO AGE IN PLACE, SO NOT HAVING TO MOVE TO A NURSING HOME FACILITY OR SOMETHING TO FIND CARE.
SO, UM, SO HAVING MORE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE LONGER.
AND THEY ALSO SAID, I THINK IT'S IN THE SAME REPORT THAT, UM, ADULTS AGED 65 AND OVER ARE ESTIMATED TO OUT NUMBER, BOTH PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION AND GENERALLY, UM, BY THE YEAR 2060, UM, CHILDREN 18 AND UNDER.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE SENIORS HERE IN OUR FUTURE.
UM, AND, UM, SO THEREFORE, UM, ALLOWING DISEASES TO OPERATE WITHOUT AN S U P AND ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WOULD PRO, UH, WOULD REMOVE SOME BARRIERS.
THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GET LICENSES AND HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STATE REGULATIONS.
UM, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE MORE CARE TO THESE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
UM, I'M ALMOST TO THE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THIS PART AND THE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT BREAK FOR SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE MET FOR NINE AND A HALF HOURS, HAD LOTS OF GREAT DISCUSSIONS.
UM, AND WE AGREE WE CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION ON ABOUT SEVEN TOPICS.
SO I WASN'T GONNA GO OVER THOSE IN DETAIL.
UM, BUT I DID WANT TO, UM, OFFER SOME TIME FOR, UH, OR, UH, FOCUS QUESTIONS IS, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, UM, TO KIND OF TAKE A BREAK HERE AT THIS FIRST DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS, UH, ZAC RECOMMENDED TO REMOVE THE S U V REQUIREMENT FOR THE NEWLY COMBINED MAIN USE, UM, BUT ONLY IN MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.
SO, UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAINTAIN THE S U V REQUIREMENT IN ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THE S E P REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL FOR THE NEWLY COMBINED MEETINGS IN ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND AFTER WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, THEN MAYBE WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC, WHICH IS ABOUT YARD, UM, UH, MAXIMUM BLOCK COVERAGE AND HEIGHT.
BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FIRST PART TAKE PIECE.
UH, YEAH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS OF WHY BEFORE IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN MF TWO, BUT IT WAS IN MF THREE AND MF FOUR, BUT NOT MF TWO.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, A LITTLE ODD, QUITE FRANKLY.
AND I'M CURIOUS, DO SENIOR CENTERS HAVE YOU, DO YOU CONSIDER THOSE SITES, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SENIOR CENTERS, LIKE IN DALLAS, THEY HAVE THEM WHERE PEOPLE GO AND SPEND ALL DAY AND DO THINGS AND ALSO SOME OF OUR RECREATION CENTERS.
SO YOU DIDN'T PUT THOSE, INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE AS SITES? NO, BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T LICENSED ADULT CARE CENTERS.
THE SENIOR CENTERS, THERE'S TWO THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
SO THE ONES THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY CONSIDERING ARE SPONSORED THROUGH THEIR AMERICAN ACT FUNDS.
ULTIMATELY, THEY'RE FEDERAL DOLLARS, THEY'RE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS FEEDING AND SOCIALIZATION.
SO I THINK THERE'S MAYBE ABOUT 16 OF THOSE ACROSS DALLAS
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COUNTY.YEAH, THEY'RE ADMINISTERED BY THE COUNTY H H SS DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE ABOUT FOUR HOURS A DAY.
AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROVIDE A MEAL TO SNACKS AND TRANSPORTATION.
UM, IT'S NOT A, UH, SPECIFIED, UM, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALIZED SUPPORT, SKILL SUPPORT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FOCUS OR EMPHASIS ON PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS, AGE-BASED.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
SO IF YOU REMOVE THE SS U P REQUIREMENT, WHAT YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT IS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE LICENSING AND ALL OF THAT, WHICH IS THE MORE IMPORTANT THING, MAKING SURE THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS AND SPATIAL REQUIREMENTS PER CHILD OR PER ADULT.
IS THAT YOUR THINKING ON THAT ABOUT RIGHT? YES.
WE ALSO, UM, ASK CODE COMPLIANCE IF THEY'VE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UM, CHILD OR ADULT PAID DAYCARE FACILITIES.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A, A CODE FOR THAT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT VERY FREQUENT.
BUT THEY ALSO SEARCHED FOR, YOU KNOW, KEYWORDS AND THEY COULDN'T, THE ONLY ONES THEY FOUND WAS DOGGY DAYCARE.
YOU KNOW,
WHEN YOU PUT THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW CHILDCARE FACILITIES, AND I UNDERSTAND IN SOME WAYS YOU'RE TALKING MORE OFTEN ABOUT SORT OF COMMERCIAL ENTITIES BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS TO A PLACE LIKE PARK HOUSE IN VICTORY PARK THAT CAN'T MEET THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, LIKE WE DID THAT THROUGH AN S U P THAT WE MADE A LOT OF CUSTOMIZED, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISES ABOUT BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN EXISTING AND YET WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT THROUGH, 'CAUSE IT WAS SERVING SUCH A LARGE COMMUNITY AND I'M SURE THERE ARE GONNA BE OTHERS THAT WAY THAT CAN'T MEET SOME OF THE PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS OF LIGHTING, PARKING, SETBACKS, ET CETERA.
AND THERE MIGHT EVEN BEEN SOME RESIDENTIAL HOMES, THOSE THAT HAVE THE 10 TO 12 PEOPLE, WHICH IS A MAJOR PROVIDER IN MANY AREAS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM IF THEY CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING AS FAR AS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SETBACK CRITERIA AND ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING REGULATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, BUT, UM, IF, IF YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF HARDSHIP, PROPERTY HARDSHIP, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT COMMENSURATELY AS OTHER, AS OTHER, UM, PROPERTIES IN THE SAME ZONING, THEN YOU CAN REQUEST A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR SETBACKS, YOUR LOT COVERAGE.
UH, YOU CAN EVEN REQUEST VARIANCES FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I DID WANNA MENTION THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO REDUCE THE PARKING APARTMENT AND THAT IN A LOT FACILIT, BECAUSE I GUESS MY POINT IS GOING TO, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THAT RIGHT NOW YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE S U P PROCESS.
AND I HATE TO ASK SOME RESIDENTIAL PERSON THAT'S TRYING TO PROVIDE CARE FOR 10 BABIES TO HAVE TO WAIT TWO YEARS TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IN ORDER TO, RIGHT.
SO, SO THE S E P CAN'T GRANT RELIEF FROM YARD FLIGHT AND SPACE REGULATIONS.
IT CAN FURTHER RESTRICT IT, BUT IT CAN'T GRANT RELIEF.
THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN GRANT RELEASE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CHANGE YOUR ZONING DISTRICT.
WELL MAYBE WE DID IT THROUGH PD BECAUSE WE DID GET THAT RELIEF WITH JENNIFER OUT THERE WORKING ON IT WITH, UM, HARD HOUSE ON IN VICTORY MEDICALS AREA.
YEAH, I, I THINK AN S U P CAN DO SOME DEVIATIONS, THE LANDSCAPING REGULATIONS, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK SS ARE ALLOWED TO GRANT RELIEF.
I THINK ALSO IF THE, CURRENTLY THE CHILDRE FACILITIES CAN, IF THEY HAVE AN S U P, THEY CAN GRANT RELIEF TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
BUT, UM, ALL THE, ALL THE SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO, BUT HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT IN AN APARTMENT HOUSE IN A MULTI-FAMILY, IN AN APARTMENT HOUSE? MM-HMM.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING WHAT I'M SAYING.
HOW DO YOU MEET THAT CRITERIA, FOR INSTANCE, IN MY CASE, AND, AND IT IS, THE ONLY REASON I'M DOING THIS IS TO SAY IF WE DO THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE
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HAVE A METHOD OF BEING ABLE TO EITHER CUSTOMIZE OR DEAL WITH WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.THAT'S, I WANNA CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW DAYCARES VERSUS EXISTING ONES OR ONES THAT ARE GOING INTO EXISTING BUILDINGS OR OKAY.
SUPPOSE A NEW ONE WANTS TO PUT IN, SUPPOSE AN APARTMENT HOUSE WANTS TO ALLOCATE, LIKE THEY DID FOUR APARTMENTS TO BE AN AFTERNOON DAYCARE, WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT MY CASE WAS.
HOW DID YOU, HOW WILL THEY MEET SOME OF THESE VERY SET REQUIREMENTS OF LINE SAME BY PERMITING FOLLOWING THE CODE, THE SAME CONVERSATION AS EARLIER.
THEY GET ALL OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FIT INTO THE ACTUAL CODE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY WOULD FIT INTO THE ACTUAL CODE.
I MEAN, I WON'T BELABOR IT, BUT YOU SEE WHERE I'M NOT SURE FROM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
AND MAYBE ONE THING THAT HELPS IS THAT BOTH ZAC AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THEY BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? AND THEN, UH, COMMENT LIKE, THE BUILDING DOES MEET THE CODE, LIKE SO IF THE BUILDING MAKES THE CODE, OKAY.
I KNEW THAT, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION
SO HOW ARE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING LIKE CLASSIFIED? THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY, I ASSUME, THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THAT'S A, A GROUP, UH, RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
OKAY, SO THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE CLOSE TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOES HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT, SO IT JUST KIND OF JOGGED MY MEMORY.
THE, SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ZO OAC AND THE STAFF OPINION ON NUMBER ONE IS, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR
SO DOES THAT, SO AN S U P WOULD REQUIRE NOTIFICATION, CORRECT? YES.
SO IF WE REMOVE THE S U P REQUIREMENT FROM ALL RESIDENTIAL, THEN THE PEOPLE SURROUNDING A LOCATION WOULD NOT OTHERWISE RECEIVE NOTIFICATION? CORRECT.
DO THEY CURRENTLY RECEIVE NOTIFICATION OF A CHILD, SORRY, I'M GONNA CALL IT CHILD MINOR 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE UK, WHICH IS, I HAVE NO IDEA WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT HERE.
BUT THE DAY HOME, UH, DO THEY GET NOTIFICATION OF THAT RIGHT NOW? NO.
AND WHERE IS THE PROPOSAL THAT THAT IS STILL ALLOWED BY RIDE? YES.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ON AN S U P REQUIREMENT FOR DAY HOMES? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS IS ONLY REMOVING THE S U P FOR A STANDALONE CHILDCARE CENTER, UH, ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO COULD THE LOCATION BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE AT NIGHT? NO.
UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY THIS, SS U P WOULD ONLY APPLY TO, UM, RESIDENCES THAT ARE UH, OR I GUESS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR ESSENTIALLY ANY OTHER TYPE OF BUILDING IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS MORE THAN 10 OR 12 KIDS, RIGHT? BECAUSE RIGHT UNDER THAT NUMBER IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
IF SOMEONE LIVED IN A HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WANTED TO EXCEED THE LIMITATION OF THE DAY HOME, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET AN S U P.
THEY WOULD'VE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY WOULD'VE TO BRING IT UP TO A D A STANDARDS, THEY WOULD'VE TO MEET THE RATIO REQUIREMENTS THAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
THE STATE ALSO REQUIRES A, UM, A CERTAIN SIZE OF CLASSROOM BASED ON THE AGE OF THE CHILD.
AND SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS JUST LIKE SPACE LIMITATIONS THAT THE STATE ALREADY SETS BECAUSE FOR THOSE UNDER THE 10 TO 12 STUDENT PORTION, ABOVE THOSE.
BUT IS IT TRUE THAT UNDER 10 TO 12, IF THE HOME WAS NOT A RESIDENCE, IT WOULD BE THEREFORE CONSIDERED A CENTER OR NOT ALSO? RIGHT.
SO AS A CENTER, IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
THE HOME, UH, SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN A, A HOME AND WATCHES 10 OR LESS CHILDREN IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
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AND MORE THAN 10 CHILDREN IS CONSIDERED A CENTER.MUST BE LESS THAN 10 CHILDREN DOESN'T LIVE, IT'S NOT KIDS UHHUH.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY JUST CONSIDERING THE
AND I, I FEEL LIKE THAT DISTINCTION IS REALLY THE CRUX OF WHAT ZAP WAS CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE CHILDREN IN NEIGHBORHOODS BY RIGHT UP TO 10 TO 12 IN A HOUSE, RIGHT.
OR BUILDING IN, IF THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH YOUR CHILD COMMISSIONER YOUNG, AS I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH RESPECT TO CSS AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
IT IS THAT THE JUDGMENT OF THE OPERATOR TO LOCATE IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS REQUIRES A CHECK AND BALANCE AT CITY HALL TO ENSURE THAT, UH, YOU USE YOUR VENN DIAGRAM, A NURTURING ENVIRONMENT IS BEING PROVIDED.
UM, WE COULD, I, I KIND OF RESERVED A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THE, UM, SLIDES FOR THE CS AND INDUSTRIAL, BUT BRIEFLY, UM, THE RATIONALE TO MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE ON CHILDCARE FACILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN, OR THAT WANT TO LOCATE IN CSS AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IS THAT IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO LOTS OF 18 WHEELERS AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT AN INDUSTRIAL OR CSS DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, PERMITS BY RIGHT.
UM, IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST ENVIRONMENT FOR THE VULNERABLE POPULATION.
AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DEFER TO THE JUDGMENT OF THE OPERATOR AS TO THE SAFETY OF THAT SITUATION.
I MEAN, I, WITHOUT AN EXTRA SHEET REVIEW, I I WOULD, I TALKED TO SEVEN, UM, FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE TIME WE SENT NOTICES A WEEK AGO OR, OR THEY RECEIVED IT A WEEK AGO.
UM, AND TODAY, AND IT, IT TOOK A WHILE TO EXPLAIN THAT THEY WERE IN AN, IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT ALREADY THE MOTION DID NOT UNDERSTAND IF THERE WERE 18 WHEELERS OR SMOKE OR WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE KIDS FROM THEY PRESUMABLY KNOW ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT IS ALSO THE STAFF'S POSITION THAT THE DECISION OF THE OPERATOR TO LOCATE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT DOES NOT REQUIRE A CHECK AND BALANCE AT CITY HALL TO ENSURE THAT ADVERSE IMPACTS ARE, ARE NOT CREATED ON THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, I I WOULD SAY THAT GETTING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THAT GOING THROUGH ZONING REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF ZONING IS, IS AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROTECT AGAINST, UH, NOISE.
WE ALSO ADDED A REGULATION THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES BETWEEN 10 AND 7:00 PM 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY ACTIVITIES BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM RIGHT.
IT SAYS NO OUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
OH, SO THEY THEY COULD DO, THEY COULD RUN THE DAYCARE CENTERS UNTIL TWO IN THE MORNING AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GO OUTSIDE.
I THOUGHT THESE WERE DAYCARE CENTERS.
WELL, THEY, THEY CAN'T USE IT AS A RESIDENCE, BUT THERE ARE DAYCARE CENTERS THAT PROVIDE NIGHTTIME.
PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE WORK OVERNIGHT, SO IT WOULD ALLOW 24 HOURS THERE OF THEM.
AND, AND YOU'RE, THIS STAFF POSITION IS THAT NO CHECK AND BALANCE IS REQUIRED ON PARKING BECAUSE THE OPERATOR, UM, WILL PRESUMABLY PROVIDE WHATEVER PARKING THEY NEED.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY AS A PARENT, LIKE THINKING ALL THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO THE CHILDCARE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU FEEL LIKE A
UM, I, I DON'T SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT WITHOUT A THOUGHT FOR, FOR THEIR CLIENTS OR THEIR CUSTOMERS OR FAMILIES.
WELL, AND UNLESS THEY'RE DOING IT ON THE SIDE THAT WILL NOT ACCOMMODATE ADEQUATE PARKING,
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THEN THEY MAY NOT HAVE ANYBODY COMING THERE.WE HAVE A DEMAND OF 85,000 AND A FIVE, 35,000.
AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE 'CAUSE I CAN'T PARK WHILE I'M, 'CAUSE I HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF SOMEONE'S HOUSE.
THAT'S WHILE I'M DROPPING OFF MY KIDS.
I, I WOULD ARGUE CONVENIENCE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY CHOOSE.
YOU UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I HAVE FOLLOW UP IN WEST DALLAS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MEASUREMENTS.
I HAVE SEVEN FIVE LOTS THAT 15 FEET FROM I INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
SO ACCORDING TO THIS RECOMMENDATION, YOU COULD, YOU COULD NOT PUT DAYCARE IN THE CS OR IR, BUT 15 FEET AWAY ON THE R 75 LOT YOU PUT DAYCARE ABOUT RIDER WOULD NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT.
WELL, PLANNING THEORY IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF TRANSITION BETWEEN, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT FOR DALLAS AND THE IDEA OF US TAKING CLOSER TO WHAT AND HOW ZONING IS I ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE THE WAY THIS IS THE TAP RECOMMENDATION WILL ALLOW DAYCARE BY RIGHT ON.
BUT THERE'D BE NO LIMITATION IF ANY NUMBER OF OUR LOTS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD COMPAR TO DAYCARE.
YOUR EXTERNAL, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE DISPARATE IMPACT ON A LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S CLOSER TO NEIGHBORHOODS? HAVE A LOT AFFORDABILITY.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS USE A HURDLE.
IT'S JUST EXPENSIVE NO MATTER WHAT THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE AND SALARIES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IF YOU HAVE A HIGH DEMAND AREA I AREA, BUT YOU HAVE THE KESSLER STEVENS STATE, BUT PRESUMABLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF LARGE POPULATION THAT CAN AFFORD DAY, THAT'S CONVENIENT.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, IF WE PASS A, A RULE THAT SAYS, OKAY, YOU CAN OPEN DAYCARE CENTERS BY RIGHT.
IN OUR AREA, AN OPERATOR IS MORE LIKELY TO LOOK AT THE PRICE OF A LOT AND
BUT THE LOW, THE LOWER INCOME AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH.
I MEAN, WELL I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING LIKE ECONOMIC FACTORS INTO, BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I THINK IF YOU DO LOOK AT LIKE THE M P A MAP, YOU DO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, I I I MEAN I I'M SURE THERE'S EXCEPTIONS, BUT, WELL, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE MAP, WE HAVE A PROVISIONAL DIS OR IF WE REMOVE THE BARRIER OF S UT IT'S NOT SUDDENLY GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADEQUATE, UM, DISCRETIONARY INCOME TO PAY WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
IT'S JUST, WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THAT.
I I THINK THERE ARE SO MANY BARRIERS TO OPENING A CHILDCARE POSITION.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE VERY, UM, HARD ANYWAY TO OPEN COMMISSIONER RUBEN, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER RUBEN, I, I MEANT TO STEP OUT EARLIER SO I APOLOGIZE IF ANY OF THIS IN TWO USE, UM, AND DAYCARE AND THERE'S BEEN, TALK ABOUT A DAYCARE OPEN A SINGLE MOST DAYCARE, CHILDRE ADULT CARES.
DO WE SEE INSTANCES, UM, OF MANY DAYCARES IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW ARE DEPEND ON, ON LOTS OF 7,500 SQUARE DEEP, 10,000 SQUARE DEEP.
OR THEY FACILITIES MUCH LARGER DEPARTMENTS CONSIDER MUCH LESS
UM, SO, WELL I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK TO THE SIZE OF LOTS, BUT I'LL, I I CAN THINK ABOUT, UM, AN ORGANIZATION CALLED LUMEN EDUCATION, WHICH IS LIKE VERY WELL KNOWN AND RESPECTED.
UM, THEY OPENED IN A HOUSE, UM, IN KIND OF THE EAST DALLAS AREA, JUST KIND OF A BIT ABOVE I 30 OVER BY GRAND.
UM, THEY, UM, THEN WERE ABLE TO OPEN IN A CHURCH BUILDING BUT NOT AS A CHURCH ENTITY IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD DEAD AWAY.
I THINK AT THIS POINT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TO, TO YOUR POINT, UM, THE COMMUNITY, UH, PRICING IS ACTUALLY INCREASING.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY CLOSING THEIR FACILITY IN THE, IN THAT, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY OPENED.
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AND UM, THEY HAVE THEIR KIDS, I THINK PRIMARILY IN THEIR KIND OF SECONDARY SITE NOW, WHICH IS, OH, WHAT STREET IS ON, I'VE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN WHAT STREET IT'S ON, BUT IT IS, UM, KIND OF RIGHT, UH, ACROSS, OFF OF THE GAR GRAND, UM, RIGHT OFF OF GRAND.AND I GUESS VISTA MAYBE IS THE CLOSEST.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'VE EVER BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THOSE, THAT, THAT SITE, I THINK THAT IT'S ACCEPTED AND APPRECIATED IN, IN BOTH COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY EXISTED.
UM, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT LOOKING.
SO THAT INITIAL ONE WAS LIKE A HOUSE CONVERTED TO A CHILDCARE CENTER, NOT A HOME CARE CENTER, A CHILDCARE CENTER, AND THEN ANOTHER HOME THAT WAS ADDED ONTO IT AND THAT THEY KIND OF DID THAT OVER DECADES.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT LOOKS.
UM, BUT TWO EXAMPLES OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES THAT ARE IN NEIGHBORHOOD SETTINGS.
I ALSO TALKED TO, UM, AN OPERATOR 'CAUSE HE GOT A LETTER THAT'S ON, UM, PLANO ROAD AND HE SAID THAT, UH, SO THE ONE ON PLANO ROAD IS AN IR, UM, BUT IT ABUTS A MULTI-FAMILY, UM, ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, HE SAID THAT HE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING WELL AT THIS FACILITY IN DALLAS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY APARTMENTS AND CHILDREN NEARBY.
UM, BUT HE HAS ANOTHER FACILITY IN GARLAND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND HE SAID THAT WAS REALLY STRUGGLING BECAUSE THERE JUST AREN'T ANY CHILDREN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE.
SO, UM, SO A LOT OF, SO THEY, THEY'RE, THEY HAVEN'T PAID OFF, SO THEY'RE STILL OPEN, BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY DO STRUGGLE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A LOT OF CHILDREN NEEDING CARE.
SO YEAH, SO I THINK LIKE THE ECONOMICS, YOU KNOW, ARGUMENT IS THEY WANT TO BE LOCATED WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT NEED THE SERVICES.
AND I THINK MOST PARENTS, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE, A LOT OF US HAVE THE, SOME OF US HAVE A PRIVILEGE TO WORK FROM HOME.
YOU KNOW, IT SURE IS NICE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR CHILD CLOSE TO HOME INSTEAD OF HAVING DRIVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE WORKING FROM HOME.
AND SO IT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE CHANGES IN LIFE,
MR. RUID, DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? UM, NOT OKAY.
HOW MANY SUVS DO WE CURRENTLY MANAGE? I RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT UM, STEVEN DID TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THE NUMBER OF, UM, SUVS THAT WERE PASSED IN 2020 THROUGH, UM, AUGUST, 2022.
THAT'S ON PAGE 1137 AND 30 14 IS WHAT I COUNT.
AND WE DON'T KNOW AS TO CITY HOW MANY SUVS WE HAD WITH ISSUES.
UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE PERMANENT, UH, LIKE SOME OF THE REALLY OLD ONES ARE FOR PERMANENT TIME PERIOD.
SO ALSO WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD KNOW IF THEY CLOSED OR NOT.
UM, AND THEN IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, YOUR EXPECTATION IS THAT MOST OF THESE FACILITIES WILL NOT BE IN SAY, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'RE EXPECTING TO BE SOMEPLACE ELSE.
I MEAN, THEY COULD BE IN SINGLE CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT BASED ON WHAT, UM, OPERATORS HAVE TOLD ME IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THEY WOULD, UNLESS THERE ARE A POTENTIAL FOR VISIT TO BE.
SO THERE'S NOT AN EXPECTATION THAT THIS WOULD, BY RE BY LEAVING STS IN SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STS BY ALL THAT MUCH.
I, I THINK IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO GET IT, OR IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR THEM TO GET AN S E P RIGHT NOW.
UM, THAT'S, AND IT'S A HURDLE.
LIKE I THINK WE ARE MORE LOOKING INTO, WE HAVE THIS CAITY DO WE WANNA, BUT IT'S A BALANCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS CONVERSATION IS BALANCING THE HEALTH INSTABILITY OF OUR NON MULTIFAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS REDUCING THINGS THAT WOULD BE DEEMED THE PROTECTION TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN, PUT TEN FOUR HOUR KIDS.
I WOULD ADVISE THIS, WHAT WE DID TO ADD AN ANGLE TO SAY, IS THIS WHAT IS NEEDED AND IT'S COMPATIBLE BY FAULT BECAUSE IF IT'S A SERVING
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USE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE CAN SWITCH A LITTLE BIT THE ANGLE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE.LIKE THESE ARE USES, THESE ARE SERVICES FOR FAMILIES.
THE SAME AS HOUSE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ALSO NEED THIS INTERACTION WITH THE SERVICES FOR EVERYDAY LIFE.
SO CAN THEY BE SMALL ENOUGH TO SUPPLEMENT THAT SERVICE? THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANGLE THAT WE, AND AND I THINK IT ALSO, WE WOULD PROBABLY SEE MOST OF THEM THAT DO LOCATE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, TO PROBABLY CO-LOCATE IN ALREADY, UM, INSTITUTIONAL USES SUCH AS LIKE A CHURCH BUILDING.
SO LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN DO THAT BY RIGHT WITHOUT AN SS U P AS LONG AS THE CHURCH IS THE OPERATOR OF THE CHILDCARE FACILITY AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HANGUPS WITH RELIGION AND YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO SEND, YOU KNOW, THEIR LOVED ONE TO THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY BECAUSE OF RELIGION.
UM, SO IT WOULD ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE SEPARATION.
EITHER THEY CO-LOCATE OR MAYBE THEY MOVE TO A DIFFERENT FACILITY AND IT JUST BECOMES A CHILDCARE FACILITY.
ALTHOUGH IT WAS ONCE A, A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, A
ARE YOU SUGGESTING A, AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL ALLOW CO-LOCATION OF MEDICARE THAT PREVIOUS EXISTING CHURCH OR SCHOOL USE BY NO.
IF YOU DON'T GET
I MEAN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW BY RIGHT, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT CAN GO IN A CHURCH TO A SCHOOL OR
SO IT, IT'S ALREADY, WE CAN'T HAVE A, WELL WE CAN'T HAVE A NON CHURCH AFFILIATED, NON CHURCH RUN DAYCARE BY RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE A, POSSIBLE, IT WORK BETTER THAT WAY IF IT SEEMS LESS INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST A
SO THEY SAY I'M GONNA BUILD A CHURCH AND THEN THEY BUILD A CHURCH, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I'M JUST KIDDING.
UH, BEFORE WE GET TO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, YOU DID AN EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS OF THE NEED HERE AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC FOR SINGLE MOTHERS IN TERMS OF THE NEED? YES, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DATA FOR THE NEED FOR SINGLE MOTHERS, BUT I CAN SAY THAT I KNOW THAT IT, I MEAN ANY PER, WELL FOR A SINGLE, SINGLE PERSON HEADED HOUSEHOLD IN GENERAL, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR SINGLE MOTHERS WHERE, WHICH IS HIGH, MUCH HIGHER PROPORTION OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS OR SINGLE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
UM, I, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DATA FOR THE NEED FOR THE, FOR THAT POPULATION.
I THINK IT'S SOME OF IT'S 'CAUSE OF THE DATA LIMITATIONS.
UM, BUT THAT SAID, UM, IT IS OPERATIONALLY IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IN A WAY BECAUSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO GET TO WORK IF THEY DON'T HAVE CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
SO I APOLOGIZE AND I DON'T HAVE NO, THAT'S FINE.
SO, UM, SO WHAT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS, WE ALSO WANTED, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS AT OAC ABOUT, UM, THE ABILITY FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES, UM, TO HAVE MORE LOT COVERAGE AND BASICALLY UNLIMITED HEIGHT, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO PROVISIONS THAT WE WERE MAINLY, UH, DISCUSSING WHEN WE WERE AT Z OAC.
AND IT SAYS, UM, IN SINGLE FAMILY, SO IT HAS THESE VERY SPECIFIC DISTRICTS WHICH HAVE A RATIONALE, WHICH I'LL YOU'LL SEE IN, IN THE SLIDE AND IT'S ALSO IN THE REPORT AT THE TABLE.
BUT IN SINGLE FAMILY COMPLEX TOWN HOUSE AND THAT'S ONE AND TWO AND THREE, UH, MANUFACTURED HOUSING, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICTS.
INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS MAY COVER A MAXIMUM OF 60% OF THE LOT.
UM, AND THEN STRUCTURES FOR UTILITY AND PUBLIC SERVICE USES, WHICH ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR POST OFFICE AND YOUR, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC SUBSTATION, UM, AND INSTITUTIONAL USES, UM, WHICH ALSO
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DAYCARES, ET CETERA.UM, MAY BE ERECT SCHOOLS MAY BE ERECTED TO ANY HIGH CONSISTENT WITH, UM, F A A AIRSPACE LIMITATIONS, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, PIPE RESTRICTIONS AND BUILDING CODE.
SO, UM, IT'S A LOT OF WORDS AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND IT.
SO I MADE A TABLE IF I CAN GET THIS TO ADVANCE.
AND, UM, OUR FIRST ONE IS OF JUST THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO THIS WINDOW IS ABOUT, SO, UM, THE COLUMNS ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THE KIND OF RED-ISH PEACH I'M NOT SURE IS ALL OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS AND I KIND OF OF LUMP SOME OF THEM TOGETHER TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
AND THEN THE GREEN ARE MULTI-FAMILIES JUST TO GET YOU ORIENTED IN CASE YOU'RE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.
UM, SO IN THOSE DISTRICTS, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED MORE LOT COVERAGE THAN NON RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES GENERALLY.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF 40%, 45% IN SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THEN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE LIMITED TO 25%.
SO THAT EXISTING EXCEPTION TO ALLOW, UM, ADDITIONAL LOT COVERAGE GRANT SOME RELIEF FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES LIKE CHURCHES, CHILDCARE FACILITIES, HOSPITALS.
I DON'T THINK THOSE CAN GO TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, AND ALSO FOR MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT, THE EXISTING REGULATION FOR ALL STRUCTURES IN THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, VARY.
SINGLE FAMILY IS 36 TO 30, UM, FEET HIGH MULTIFAMILY IS 36 FEET FOR MF ONE AND TWO 90 IN MF THREE AND 240 IN MF FOUR, WHICH I THINK MAY ALSO BE PART OF YOUR POINT OF WHY ALLOW AN MF THREE AND FOUR.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED A LOT MORE HEIGHT AND AND DENSITY AND IN THE FREE AND FOR, UM, SO I'M TRYING TO GO NEXT AGAIN.
SO THIS LINE, UM, SHOWS YOU WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY, UM, ALLOWS.
AND SO, UM, IN SINGLE FAMILY HERE IN OUR, SEE MY CURSOR PROBABLY NOT MAYBE HERE, UM, IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS INSTITUTIONALLY USES TO GO UP TO 60% LOCK COVERAGE.
UM, AND UM, AND ALSO IN THE MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT.
SO THIS, THIS ALLOWS THEM TO GO FROM 25% LOCK COVERAGE TO 60, WHICH DOES EXCEED WHAT A RESIDENTIAL USE IS, IS, UH, RESTRICTED TO, BUT UM, DOES NOT, IT, IT MATCHES THE RESIDENTIAL USES IN OUR MULTI-FAMILIES ZONING MYSTERIES.
AND THEN ALSO FOR THE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROVISION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAS ALLOWS BASICALLY ANY HEIGHT, UM, SUBJECT TO RRP S AND I PUT THIS LITTLE, UM, ASTERISK IN, IN THESE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPES OR CH UH, MULTI-FAMILY, UM, DISTRICTS HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.
UM, SO, UH, ZAC, DURING OUR DISCUSSION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THIS EXTRA LOT COVERAGE, EXTRA HEIGHT THAT INSTITUTIONAL USERS ARE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS MAY CREATE SOME, UH, INCOMPATIBLE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD.
SO, UM, SO WE'VE PROPOSED SOME, UM, EXCEPTIONS TO THE EXCEPTION IF YOU WILL,
AND SO, UM, SO THIS LAST LINE OF THE TABLE, IT SAYS ZAC RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS 40%, WHICH MATCHES THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, UM, FOR LOT COVERAGE AND 40 AND 45%, UM, IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
UM, UH, NO CHANGE THERE AND, AND REALLY THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGE REALLY REQUIRED FOR, FOR, UM, LOT COVERAGE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LOT COVERAGE OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, RESTRICTING IT TO 36 FEET, UM, FOR ALL OF THESE, UM, MUL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND MF ONE AND TWO DISTRICTS.
SO, UM, SO, UM, UH, SO, SO THIS IS WHAT, SO I WAS RECOMMENDING, BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS A LITTLE TWO PART IN COMPLICATED.
SO I'M SORRY
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GOING TO BE REQUIRED IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA, DISTRICTS AS ARE COMMITTED BY OAC, WE, UM, OBJECT, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW.UM, WE DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE ALSO FURTHER LIMIT THEIR LOCK COVERAGE AND HEIGHT BECAUSE AN S U P CAN FURTHER RESTRICT LOCK COVERAGE AND HEIGHT.
AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE S U P, IT'S LIKE AN EXTRA BARRIER TO ADD TO ALSO RESTRICT THEIR LOCK COVERAGE AND IN HEIN.
UM, BUT IF THEY, IF YOU KNOW, THE, IF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOT BY RIGHT IN S UH, IN ALL THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WE DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO LIMITING THEIR LOT COVERAGE IN HE, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET AN S U P AND THEY NEED LET'S SAY 46% IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO GET AN S U P AND GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND TO GET 46% IF THESE THINGS WERE.
SO I HOPE THAT WASN'T TOO COMPLICATED.
OH, IT'S ABOUT TO GET REALLY CLEAR.
COMMISSIONER, RIGHT AWAY I, I'LL, I MEAN I'M HAPPY TO RESERVE MY COMMENT.
MY COMMENT IS REALLY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL WE'RE GOING TO AFTER THIS WE'RE GONNA GET BACK TO THE INDUS YOUR PROPOSAL FOR INDUSTRIAL, ALL OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
MY, MY COMMENT REALLY HAS TO DEAL WITH, WITH THAT AREA YOUR QUESTION MY YES, MY QUESTION HAS TO RESTRICTIONS IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PRESENTING CATEGORIES.
COMMISSIONER ON, UH, YEP, I FORGOT.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE RIGHT, LET'S LEAVE COVERAGE FROM ONE SIDE.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE OPTION OF ALLOWING A CHILDCARE FACILITY OVER 30 FEET TALL OR 36 FEET TALL IN SINGLE FAMILY? UM, I THINK IT'S ONLY IMPORTANT IF WE'RE ALSO ALLOW OR REQUIRING THEM TO GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
WELL, BUT IF WE ARE, THEN WHY THEN WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME NEED OR REASON, UM, TO BUILD MORE THAN A 30 FOOT TALL MM-HMM
BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE RRP S APPLIES.
SINGLE FAMILY DOES IT, IT APPLIES IN MULTI-FAMILY AND CLUSTERED HOUSING.
UH, QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY, IF INSTEAD OF SAYING WE HAVE UNLIMITED HEIGHT, BUT AN S U P CAN RESTRICT IT, COULD WE SAY IN THIS USE MUST COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE UNLESS THE S U P ALLOWS A GREATER HEIGHT OR GREATER LOT COVERAGE AS WE DO WITH PARKING? YEAH, I THINK AS YOU, AS YOUR QUESTION IS MADE COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO WITH PARKING.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS CODE.
SO, SO I THINK, I THINK I NEED TO JUST GO OVER WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS ONE MORE TIME AND I PUT UP ON THE SCREEN.
SO IF ZAK'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOLLOWED, UM, AND THEY, UM, THESE USES RE MAINTAIN THE REQUIREMENT TO GET AN S U P IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WE OBJECT BECAUSE THE S U P CAN LIMIT LOT COVERAGE AND TIES.
IT CAN RESTRICT IT AND IT DOES OFTEN RESTRICT IT BY WAY OF A SITE PLAN.
UM, BUT IF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE DISTRICT'S PERMITTED MOVES FORWARD, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION TO LIMITING LOT COVERAGE AND HEIGHT.
BUT IF, IF ZAC C'S S U P REQUIREMENT IS ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION, WE JUST HEARD MR. MORINE THAT INSTEAD OF LEAVING HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE TO EVERY SINGLE S U P, WE COULD SAY THIS USE MUST COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNLESS AN S U P GRANTS A HIGHER HEIGHT OR INCREASED LOT COVERAGE, WOULD THAT ADDRESS STAFF'S CONCERNS ON, ON SIMILAR TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, HOW THE SS U P CAN SELL WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS
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FOR SOME INSTITUTIONAL USES.IT COULD BE WRITTEN INTO THE CODE TO SAY THAT THE S U P CAN SET AT HIGH MAXIMUM ABOVE.
THE PARKING ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE PERMISSIVE I FEEL.
SO BASICALLY ADDING TWO RESTRICTIONS ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.
SO, SO I THOUGHT THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE S U P IS BECAUSE THIS IS AN INSTITUTIONAL VIEW, THEREFORE IT CAN GO ANY HEIGHT AND ALL OF THOSE NO, BUT I'M SAYING WE CHANGED THAT AND SAY IT IS GOT TO COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNLESS THE S U P AUTHORIZES, BUT YOU STILL WANT THE S U P THAT, SO IT'S TWO.
WELL I'M SAYING IF WE GO WITH ZAC ON THE S U P THEN WE CAN, WE CAN SOLVE PROBLEM NUMBER TWO SEEMS TO ME BY SAYING YOU GOTTA COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNLESS THE S U P CUTS YOU SOME SLACK AND THAT WOULD PERMIT THEORETICALLY THE 80 FOOT DAYCARE CENTER NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PRESERVING THAT IS STILL LESS PURPOSE OF LESS THAN THAT IS STILL MORE REGULATION.
I JUST WANT THIS TO BE CLEAR, IT WE'RE JUST WELL WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING.
I THINK IT'S JUST MORE COMPLICATED TO DO IT THAT WAY.
IT MIGHT BE HARDER FOR SOMEONE TO FOLLOW OUR ZONING REGULATIONS.
AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS TER YEAH, I, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME FOR BRINGING UP, SO TO ME THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, BUT YOU KEEP USING THE TERM THAT THIS IS AN INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE AND I AM ALL FOR CHILDCARE, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH S STR, WE SAID THAT USING A SHORT TERM RENTALS, A HOME IS A COMMERCIAL USE AND YOU KNOW, A CHURCH IS MORE, CHURCHES ARE NOT, OR NONPROFITS, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AND NONPROFITS.
IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, MOST DAYCARE CENTERS ARE PROFIT MAKING CENTERS, KINCARE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE BUSINESSES, A LOT OF 'EM.
SO IF ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BLOCK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL ENTITY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME FOR ANY APPROVAL, THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO THE S T R QUESTION.
AREN'T WE ALLOWING COMMERCIAL IN WHAT WE HAVE SAID, AND YOU ARE CALLING IT INSTITUTIONAL, BUT IS IT INSTITUTIONAL NOW? HMM.
THAT'S HOW IT'S LASTING CO RIGHT NOW.
BUT DON DON'T CONSIDER
I DON'T KNOW IF
YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE EXISTING ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES ARE IN THE INSTITUTIONAL SECTION.
THAT'S JUST A DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE LONG AGO BY COUNCIL THAT THESE ARE INSTITUTIONAL COMMUNITY SERVICE USES.
WELL DID THAT ANTICIPATE THE BUSINESSES OF CHILDCARE CENTERS? CAN I INTERJECT WITH TWO THINGS? ONE, IN OUR RESEARCH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS UH, CHECKING WITH SARAH, IT ALL ZONING CODES IN THE COUNTRY, CHILDCARE AND SCHOOLS ARE INSTITUTIONAL USES.
SO THAT'S ONE KIND OF LIKE SOLVED.
IF WE WANNA CHANGE THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE ON IT, AGAIN, BY ALL MEANS YOU HAVE THE POWER TO RECOMMEND THAT.
AND SECOND PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE INSTITUTIONAL USES AS WELL.
BUT A PRIVATE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SITTING THERE GIVING, UH, OWNERS SHAREHOLDERS MONEY THAT THEY'VE MADE IN PROFITING.
EVEN A PRIVATE SCHOOL IS FUNCTIONING AS A NON-PROFIT CORPORATION BASICALLY.
YES, THERE'S SOME CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
YOU KNOW, YOU SEE CONVERTED MCDONALD'S, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL RETROFIT.
AND THAT IS A PROFIT MAKING PLACE WHERE YOU DROP YOUR KIDS.
ARE WE SAYING LET'S DEVALUE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING A HOME THAT DOESN'T HAVE SIGNS THAT ANYTHING LIKE THAT NEXT TO YOU THAT'S A DAY HOME.
I DON'T HAVE A BIT OF PROBLEM ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAVE GOT WHAT I SEE IS A DRIVE UP COMMERCIAL PLACE THAT SAYS KENDRA CARE COME ON IN, YOU
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KNOW, DROP YOUR KID OFF, THAT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN DEVALUED MY HOME OR MY MY BLOCK ON EACH SIDE.AREN'T WE SUDDENLY PUTTING COMMERCIAL INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD IF, IF THE QUESTION IS ABOUT SIGNS THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NON-BUSINESS BY REGULATION.
YEAH, BUT IT IS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S NOT A QUESTION WE CAN ADDRESS.
BECAUSE YOU SEE WE JUST SAID LIKE PER THE ZONING CODE, BUT DID THAT ZONING CODE EVER EQUATE AND I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT ZONING ZONING CODE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN EQUATED WHAT WE SEE TODAY AS COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE CHILDCARE CENTERS WITH WHAT WE CALL AT HOME DAY HOMES, GROUP HOMES, THAT SORT OF CENTER SENIOR UH, CENTERS.
I MEAN THERE IS, I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET AN ANSWER FOR FOR THIS TIME.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY AGAIN, THE SAME WITH EVERY USE, LIKE THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT AND HOW THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY AND THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT.
THAT SOUNDS ZONING ZONING AND LAND USE AND DESIGN STANDARDS ARE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF THE CONCERN IS TOO BIG OR IT HAS A BIGGER SIGN, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT WE CAN TALK.
BUT HOW THEY'RE FUNDED AND BECAUSE THEY'RE FUNDED LIKE THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT LAND USE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO LIKE, UNLESS DANIELLE ALLOWS US TO.
IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT RENTER HOMES OR OWNER HOMES.
THAT'S NOT LENDS, THAT'S NOT ZONI.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT SCALE AND THEN WE LOOK AT MASSING AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH THAT.
I WOULD SAY IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR FINANCING AS A BUSINESS MODEL BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO.
BUT THE TENDENCY WOULD BE WOULD NOT FOR COMMERCIAL DAYCARE FACILITIES TO BE LARGER IN SCALE AND THEN THE HOMES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE ALSO USE IT REGULARLY, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS NON RESIDENTIAL AND THAT PRETTY MUCH I WOULD SAY COVERS.
WE ALSO REFER TO THAT AS WELL.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANOTHER ISSUE HERE THOUGH WITH ALLOWING AN INSTITUTIONAL BAR? RIGHT? UM, INSTITUTION MEANS BY WRITING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE PLANNING REGULATIONS DON'T REQUIRE THAT ASIDE FOR INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE CONFORM PATTERN, THE AREA.
SO THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COME IN BY MULTIPLE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND PUT YOU THE INSTITUTIONAL COMMERCIAL USE THERE WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES OF SCALE AND APPROPRIATENESS TO AN S E P PROCESS.
BUT THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO STOP THAT IF THE DAYCARE CENTER IS ALLOWED BY ROT IN RESIDENTIAL THE REGULATE IF DAYCARE IS CLASSIFIED AS INSTITUTIONAL USE AND THEY ALSO GET A AFFORD BED EXCEPTION IN FLAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE THE, THE COMMENTS ARE SAYING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE BIG, BUT WE WANT THEM TO BE ON SMALL LOTS.
AND I, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME
SO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A NEW BUILD TO BE IN A BIGGER LOT.
AND I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S AN ISSUE.
WELL I THINK HISTORICALLY THOSE INSTITUTIONAL USES THAT ARE AFFORDED THAT GREATER, YOU KNOW, SIZE ARE CONSIDERED ARE USUALLY CHURCHES BUT SCHOOLS THAT WHATEVER FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU CONSIDER THAT TO BE NORMAL AND SCHOOLS REQUIRE YEAH.
BUT FOR ALL OF A SUDDEN TO INTRODUCE A COMMERCIAL ENTITY WHICH HAPPENS TO BE CLASSIFIED AS INSTITUTIONAL USE FOR IT TO BE AFFORDED THAT GREATER SCOPE THAT YOU, YOU GIVE THE, WELL MOST OF US CONSIDER BE TRADITIONS TO, SEEMS TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL FOR OFFERING VERY FUNDAMENTALLY OFFERING CHARACTER OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO BETTER IN MY, WHAT I'M HEARING IS IF HERBA CHATEAU OPENS THE MOST PROMINENT DAYCARE FACILITY IN THE COUNTRY AND DECIDES, HEY WE NEED THESE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, LET ME BUY TWO LOTS AND BUILD IT, I CAN GO UP 70 FEET, I CAN GO BECAUSE OF THIS REGULATION I CAN DO, I HAVE A LARGE REALM OF THINGS THAT I CAN DO, UM, INCLUDING FRONT SETBACK AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO I SEE HOW WHY THAT WOULD BE, UH, SCARY FOR CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS,
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ALL OF ITWITH THAT, YES, WITHOUT, I THINK SARAH'S GONNA CONFIRM AGAIN WE SAID THAT IF IT'S BY LINE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE LIMITATION THAT THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE THE ONE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO THE ANSWER, SO HER, YOU COULD NOT GO 60 FEET NO, BUT IT WOULD NOT ADDRESS THE WA SIZE.
AND AND NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE POTENTIAL UNICORNS, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THIS ARGUMENT THAT YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE DEMAND FOR THIS USE IS GONNA BE SO GREAT WITHIN ONE LITTLE POCKET OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S GONNA BE LESS EXPENSIVE.
I JUST GO TO A COMMERCIAL UNIT AND OVER DAYCARE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WOULD, I DUNNO IF SCOTT WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS YEAR THIS IS NOT MANDATORY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A SCHOOL WHERE IT HAS ITS MANDATORY EDUCATION, THEREFORE IT DRAWS A LOT OF KIDS.
SO IT'S, YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IT COMES LIKE BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T NEED, THERE ARE SO MANY KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S HOW THE RIGHT SIDE ON TOP OF THAT, THE STATE REGULATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR LIMITATIONS, HOW MANY KEYS PER SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THE QUESTION, THE UNICORN WOULD BE, WOULD A CENTER THAT HAS A THOUSAND KIDS WOULD COME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? WELL IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE LOCATION AND THE LAND VALUES.
YOU HAVE VERY CHEAP RESIDENTIAL LAND AND THE STATE HUMONGOUS, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY STATE REGULATION.
I DON'T AND THE STATE REGULATIONS, DOES THE STATE HAVE A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT? I DON'T THEY HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S THAT LARGE.
UM, THEY HAVE A UH, UM, LIMITATION TO AGE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE PLUS.
YEAH, THEY HAVE BOTH SQUARE BUDGET AND STAFFING RATIO REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE 200, 500,000 KIDS IF YOU PROVIDE THE STAFFING IN THE SPACE AND MM-HMM.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE SURE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL TRY TO SEE IF I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN WELL YOU LIMITED, YOU'RE LIMITED AND ALL THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE PER CHILD, THEY'RE VERY STRICT ON THE PERMITTING ON THAT.
AND AFTER ALL THAT COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE MAY BE HOLDING THIS.
SO
AND UH, IN BACK IN JUNE, THE STATE, UM, PASSED A BILL THAT REQUIRES ANY ZONING CHANGE OR AMENDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, TO NOTIFY ANY USE THAT WOULD BE MADE NONCONFORMING.
UM, YEAH, BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND EACH OCCUPANT.
I'M SURE DANIEL CAN HELP ME IF I MESS ANYTHING UP HERE.
BUT, UM, SO WE SENT THESE LETTERS OUT TO ALL OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE ARE IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN CS AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH THE PROPOSAL IS TO, UH, CHANGE IT FROM BY RIGHT IN THOSE DISTRICTS TO BY S E P.
UM, AND SINCE THAT WOULD MAKE THEM NOT INFORM, WE SENT THESE NOTICES, IT WAS, UH, FRONT AND BACK.
SO LIKE THE FRONT PAGE IS TO PROPERTY OWNER OCCUPANTS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXPLAINING WHAT'S GOING ON.
HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING YOU TO CLOSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
THESE ARE THE ONLY WAYS THAT, UM, YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR NOT PERFORMING RIGHTS IF YOU CLOSED FOR SIX MONTHS IF YOU CHANGE TO A CONFORMING USE, UM, OR YOU DESTROY IT INTENTIONALLY.
UM, OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GOES THROUGH THIS PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO AMORTIZE YOUR HUGE, AND BY THE WAY, THAT NEW BILL REQUIRES THE CITY TO, TO OFFER A MARKET VALUE IF THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO AMORTIZE THEM.
SO, UM, SO IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THE CITY'S EVER GOING TO CLOSE ANY OF THESE NON-CONFORMING USES.
UM, AND, BUT THE BILL ALSO REQUIRES THE CITY TO WRITE THIS, UM, 14 POINT BOLD ALL CAPS THING THAT SAYS IN QUOTES, YOU MAY LOSE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE USING YOUR PROPERTY FOR ITS CURRENT USE.
SO I, I HAVE THE JOY OF TALKING TO, UM, AT LEAST SEVEN UM, PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVED THIS NOTICE AND ARE VERY CONCERNED.
UM, BUT IT IS REQUIRED THAT WE SEND THIS NOTICE AND A, A FEW OF 'EM, UM, ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT, UM, THIS, THIS IS THE, THE THING THAT THEY GOT IN THE MAIL AND UM, ONCE AGAIN WE JUST, UM, IF WE'RE THINKING IN BROAD TERMS OF WHAT THE CODE SHOULD SAY AND THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, THIS IS WHY WE SENT THIS LETTER.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, AND I HAVE A COPY OF IT IN CASE ANY OF Y'ALL WANNA READ IT IN DETAIL, BUT I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND UM, I CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION.
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YES.COMMISSIONER YOUNG, A COUPLE LAST QUESTIONS.
UM, WE WERE GREATLY FACILITATED WERE WE NOT IN SENDING OUT THESE NOTICES BECAUSE THESE ARE BY DEFINITION STATE GRADE LICENSED FACILITIES AND THERE'S A FINITE LIST OF THOSE.
IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TATTOO PARLORS, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND SEND OUT LISTS OF LETTERS LIKE THIS? ACTUALLY THOSE ARE ALSO A LICENSED BY THE STATE
WELL OTHER NUANCED PIECES IS THAT IT WILL BE HARDER.
AND, AND CONCEIVABLY, I GUESS YOU COULD USE THE DATABASE OF COS OKAY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE, WELL YEAH, WE, COMMISSIONER CHAIR, RAY CARPENTER,
SO I JUST WANTED TO REVISIT THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING ABOUT, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO DO? IT'S TO PULL BACK SOME OF THE CURRENT PERMISSIONS TO OPERATE A CARE CENTER IN AN INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
NOT REALLY TO PULL BACK ON THE EXISTING ONES.
THEY, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CAN EVEN CLOSE FOR UP TO SIX MONTHS AND OPEN AS A NEW FACILITY, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY.
SO FOR A NEW FACILITY, THEY HAVE TO GET A NEW GP AND THEY DON'T CURRENTLY.
SO A COUPLE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONVENIENCE IN YOUR VENN DIAGRAM MM-HMM.
AND SO IF WE HAVE A WORK LOCATION THAT IS IN AN IR OR A C E O OR ANY OTHER OF THOSE DISTRICTS, MAKING IT MORE OF A HURDLE FOR THEM TO OFFER CHILDCARE FOR THEIR EXISTING NEW EMPLOYEES, I THINK WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT.
SECOND OF ALL, WE'VE TALKED A LOT OF TIMES IN THIS BODY ABOUT HOW, BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS ZONING DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, WE HAVE AREAS THAT ARE INADVERTENTLY ZONE INDUSTRIAL, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT THERE'S RESIDENTIAL OCCURRING THERE.
AND SO I THINK I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO REASONS WHEN ADDING AN ADDITIONAL HURDLE FOR NEW CARE CENTERS.
UM, SO TO THE EMPLOYER BASED ONE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME, LIKE, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A, A TYPE OF USE IN OUR CODE CALLED THE LIMITED USE, AND IT CAN'T EXCEED 10% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA AND IT CANNOT HAVE ITS OWN SIGNAGE.
UM, AND I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE, I WRITE THIS ANYWAY, SO IT IS, IT BASICALLY DESCRIBES EMPLOYER BASED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE BODY WANTED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW IT AS A LIMITED USE IN CSS AND INDUSTRIAL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN EMPLOYER BASED, UM, FACILITY.
UM, BUT I, UH, ALSO WITH THE S U P REQUIREMENT, UM, THE FEES FOR AN S U P AND THE PROCESS FOR AN SS U P IS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR GENERAL ZONING CHANGE REQUIREMENT.
SO ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN TELLING A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU NOTED, WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS IN DALLAS THAT, UM, ARE ZONED CSS OR INDUSTRIAL, BUT THEY MAY NOT LOOK LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE FULL OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANOTHER SCHOOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE ACCOUTREMENTS OF A INDUSTRIAL SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, AND THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES.
UM, I, I SENT ALL THESE ADDRESSES TO OUR, FOR DALLAS TEAM AND SAID, HEY, CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THESE AREAS AND SEE IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR, UM, AREAS FOR CHANGE, UM, THING IN FORWARD DALLAS.
SO I DID, UM, SEND THOSE ON AND SEE IF THEY COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
YOU CAN SEE IF AT LEAST IT CAN MAKE IT INTO FORWARD DALLAS.
IT MAY NOT MAKE IT TO A ULTIMATE ZONING CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IN THE END.
BUT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO LOTS OF THEM AND EXPLAINING JUST LIKE THE PROCESSES AND THE HURDLES THAT BECOMING A NON BOARD USE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES.
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THANKS MR.UM, WERE THE NON-COMPLIANCES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED AS ANY OF THESE LETTERS LIMITED TO DAYCARES THAT AT CSS AND DAYCARES AND ADULT DAYCARE? RIGHT.
BUT YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT ONES THAT DEPARTMENT DEPART OR ANYTHING? CORRECT.
IT WAS JUST THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
SO, UM, I THINK NON PERFORMING USE IS, UM, EITHER IT'S NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE AT ALL, PERIOD, OR IT REQUIRES AN SS U V BASICALLY.
JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY WITNESSES WERE SENT OUT? UM, SO WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE OCCUPANTS, WHICH WE'VE INTERPRETED TO MEAN SEND IT TO THE FACILITY
UM, SO THERE WAS 18 SITES IDENTIFIED.
SOME OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE OCCUPANT WERE THE SAME.
SO IT MAY NOT BE DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE 18 SITES, BUT THERE'S 18 SITES, HOWEVER THAT WORKED OUT.
MR. HERBERT, LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
SO SPECIFIC, UH, PLAZA AMERICAS, THERE'S A BRIDAL HORIZON FACILITY INSIDE RIGHT HERE, DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
UM, IT'S USED BY SEVERAL EMPLOYEES, HOSPITALS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COMPANIES USE IT, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT BASED OUT OF THAT HOSPITAL.
I MEAN, OUT OF THOSE FACILITIES, HOW WILL THEY BE AFFECTED? WILL THEY APPLY FOR S U P NOW? WILL THEY THEY'RE GOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ZONED.
YEAH, THEY'RE ALREADY LOCATED IN A CENTRAL AREA DISTRICT, SO THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THEIR ZONE.
SO IF THEY WERE, SAY IN A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICES, UM, ARE WE PROVIDE, MAKING THEM DO SOPS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES OR WHAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITING INDUSTRIAL, UH, COMMERCIALS.
WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS THAT GO TO CHILD AND ADULT DAYCARE CARE FACILITIES.
EVEN IF THOSE FAMILIES ARE WORKING AT THOSE FACILITIES AND DISTRICTS.
I MEAN, THEY CAN GET AN
I CAN, I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE WORKERS MAY NOT LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE SERVICE IN THE NEIGHBORS WHERE IT'S MORE, WHERE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE THAN CLOSER TO THE HOME.
BUT FOR THE AVERAGE WORKER WHO GETS OFF AT FIVE 30, UM, TO GET TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL AREA COULD BE UP TO AN HOUR, TO AN HOUR AND A HALF.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
YEAH, JUST TAKE IT BACK HERE INSTEAD OF MOVING TO YOUR WORK.
LET'S TRY AND KEEP IT IN THE NEIGHBORS WITH THE NEIGHBORS KIDS AND ALL OF THAT.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I PICKED MY SON UP DOWNTOWN VALLEY RIGHT BEFORE I GO HOME.
IF I WAS TO WAIT TILL I GOT HOME, I WOULD PAY EXTRA MONEY BECAUSE NOW I'M IN AN AFTER HOURS KIND OF CARE SITUATION.
MS. MAY, MR.
I THINK WE'RE AT CASE NUMBER FOUR.
IS THAT RIGHT? CHILD CENTER? ARE WE STILL, WE WE TAKE, WE TAKE A BREAK.
YOU CAN LEAVE, YOU CAN TAKE A BREAK IF YOU NEED COFFEE.
THE RESTROOM? NO, WE'RE KEEPING GOING.
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FOLKS, WE HAVE MICROPHONES HERE, GUYS, AND THEY CAN'T HEAR THE, THE SPEAKER, SO WE COULD PLEASE KEEP IT DOWN.SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR PACIFIC, USE TRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY DOWN ON AA AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH HIGH OF CEDAR ROAD, WEST OF GLEN ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 6 42 65 ACRES.
CEMENT IS ON THE SOUTH SOUTHERN OF DALLAS.
SO THIS IS IN AN AREA OF THE AREA REQUEST.
IT'S ON THE SOUTH OF CEDARVILLE ROAD.
THE AREAS AROUND THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST IS AGRICULTURE.
TO THE EAST IS INDUSTRIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANS AMONG DISTRICT NUMBER 7 6 1.
UH, TO THE NORTH IS INDUSTRIAL SUBDISTRICT WITH IMP
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS THIS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, AND IT'S, UH, USES AROUND THE AREA IS MANUFACTURING, BUILDING, SELL, SLOT, VEHICLE STORAGE LOG TOWARD THE NORTH AS WELL AS A WAREHOUSE TO THE NORTHEAST.
UH, IT IS UNDEVELOPED BY, UM, ADJACENCY TO TOWARD THE EAST AND WEST.
UM, THERE'S A WAREHOUSE SEAT AND THEN THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY, UH, TOWARD THE SOUTH, UH, EASTERN OF THE PROPERTY.
THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE OFFERS THROUGH SUBMISSION TOWERS ON SITE.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION.
AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION IS A FACILITY FOR TRANSFORMING ELECTRICITY FOR DISTRIBUTION TO INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMERS.
THEN A, A AGRICULTURE DISTRICT AND ELECTRICAL ASSOCIATION IS PERMITTED BY S U ONLY AS THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS OF THE SIDE.
LOOKING TO THE SOUTH, UH, AGAIN, LOOKING TO THE SOUTH MENTIONED, UH, THERE ARE ION POWERS ON CEDARVILLE LOOKING SOUTHWEST, ONDALE LOOKING SOUTHEAST SURROUNDING S UM, DEL LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING EAST ON SIERRA ROAD AND LOOKING NORTHEAST AND LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON THIS SIDE POND.
AND THEN, UM, SOME OF THE REDUCES.
SO THE TIME LIMIT, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT HAS NO STORAGE DATE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, ADD A SOLID EIGHT FIFTH HIGH, UH, CONCRETE ONE, MR.
AND THEN STAFF IS COMMENDING
QUESTION MR. UM, SO THIS ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION, IS IT GOING TO PREVENT OTHER USES FROM GOING AROUND IT? NO.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR THAT AREA REQUEST AND IF YOU PUT UP THE SIDE MAP, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT ARE WE TAKING UP? SO, SO THEY ACTUALLY, AS YOU GO TO, SO THEY ACTUALLY OWN ALL OF THIS UP TO HERE, HOWEVER, THEY'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO DO THE ELECTRICATION ON THE NORTHERN AREA OF THEIR LOTS.
AND IS THIS ONE OF THESE CASES THAT ENCORE IDENTIFIES THIS LOCATION AS NECESSARY FOR THE COVERAGE IT NEEDS? I'M NOT, NOT SURE.
THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER HARPER, IN YOUR OBSERVATION, WAS THE LAND CURRENTLY BEING CARED FOR? BECAUSE SOMETIMES IN THIS SECTION, ENCORP PARTICULARLY, SO I KNOW MOST OF THE AREAS AROUND THIS UNDEVELOPED, SO RIGHT ADJACENT, SEE TOWARD THEM TOWARD THE EAST IS JUST, UH,
AND ARE THERE ANY FENCING OR MATERIAL PROPERTY ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY? CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY, NO.
JUST THE, JUST THE CASE MISSING POWER.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.UH, CASE NUMBER FIVE, COMMISSION GONNA BE HELD UNDER FIVE UNTIL OCTOBER 5TH.
HAS THIS BEEN REACHED FORM? NO.
Z 2 12 2 60 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL EITHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTIES ON R 16 A.
IT'S PERY WITHERS ELEMENTARY THAT IS IN A BLOCK FOUNDED BY ALFA VISTA WONDERLAND.
TRAIL IN NORTH HAVEN ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 8.5 ACRES.
IT'S IN NORTH DALLAS, NORTHWEST DALLAS.
UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY ON THREE SIDES AND THEN BY A PARK NORTH HAVEN PARK ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, AND IT'S ALL R 16 IS ONLY, IS ALL R 16 AROUND IT.
UH, AGAIN, A LOT OF PICTURES FOR SCHOOLS.
I'M HOPING I'M GOING QUICKLY THROUGH THEM.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM NORTH HAVEN.
THIS IS BASICALLY THEIR FRONT WITH THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AND YOU CAN SEE THE LEFT THE PARK FURTHER GOING ON NORTH HAVEN.
YOU CAN SEE THEIR SIGN, THE SCHOOL AS IT IS TODAY.
YOU CAN NOTICE THE, UM, THE POLES, THE ONCO POLES WITH THE VERY LOW, UM, WIRES.
YOU CAN NOTICE ALL OF THE DROP OFF AREAS IN THE, IN THE SIDEWALK.
BEAUTIFUL TREES ON THE CAMPUS.
THEY HAVE A SITTING AREA IN FRONT ANYWAY.
UH, MID BLOCK CROSSING ON NORTH HAVEN.
SAME JUST, UH, OBSERVE THE, UH, MULTITUDE OF, OF POLES THAT ARE BASICALLY LIMITING THE SIDEWALK AND THE CONFIGURATION, UH, THE CORNER OF NORTH HAVEN AND WONDERLAND.
UM, SAME, YOU CAN SEE THE UTILITY BOXES.
IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I THINK I TOOK THIS GOOGLE VIEW, BUT IN MY PICTURES WHEN I DID MY SITE VISIT, I NOTICED THAT ENCORE ADDED MORE POLES ON, UH, WONDERLAND AND ALTA VISTA.
SO, UH, THEY ARE KIND OF LIKE THEIR THREE MAIN FRONTAGES ARE KIND OF LIKE VERY LIMITED RIGHT NOW.
THEY WILL TRY TO WORK AROUND THEM, UM, THESE OF VIEW FROM WONDERLAND TO SEE WHAT IS PARKED AND HOW, AND THE RIGHT AWAY AND THE FRONT YARDS OF YOU ON THE SIDE.
ACCESS TO THE STREET FROM ONE, UH, FROM WONDERLAND VIEW, FROM WONDERLAND AND ALTA VISTA, THE PORTABLE, THEY'RE COMING TO REMOVE THEM.
THEN NEWLY INSTALLED ON CORPORALS ON ALTA VISTA LANE, A LITTLE BIT OF A GRADE BETWEEN THE FENCE AND, UH, THE YARD CROSS, UH, MID BLOCK CROSSING.
UH, ANOTHER FROM
UM, WE RECEIVED A REVISED CYCLE AND IT HAS ON A SMALL, SMALL TWEAK.
I SENT IT TO YOU I THINK YESTERDAY.
UM, BUT TO GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS THEY'RE KEEPING THE EXISTING SCHOOL JUST ADDING THE SHED AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER ADDITION KITCHEN ADDITION, A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADDITION IN THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL JUST FOR, TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT THE VESTIBULE.
UH, BUT THEIR MAIN ADDITION IS BASICALLY GOING ON WONDERLAND TRAIL AND THEY'RE CREATING THIS TWO CURB CUTS WITH THE DROP OFF AREA AND A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THAT AREA.
WE WORKED WITH THEM AND WE CODIFIED IN THE CONDITIONS TO HAVE THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK ON WONDER WONDERLAND REDONE, AND ESPECIALLY THIS ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, BIGGER AND HAVE A BIGGER, UM, BUFFER.
SO THEY, YOU CAN PUT SOME OF THE REQUIRED STREETS BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE DRIVEWAY TO SOFTEN IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT PROVISION IN THE S U P.
UM, WHAT ELSE? AND, UM, ADDITIONAL AMENITY AREAS ON THE NEW EDITION, THEY'RE SHOWING A DETENTION POND, UH, WHEN THEY TALKED TO ENGINEERING AND IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY NEED THIS AND WE WORKED WITH 'EM TO REQUIRE TREES AROUND IT TO SOFTEN IT A LITTLE BIT.
WE ALSO REQUIRE S P CONDITIONS, TREES AROUND
THIS IS THEIR, UH, TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, WITH THE DROP OFF.
AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THEY CAN GET IN.
THEY DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEY LOOKED AT THE CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE DROP OFF AND EVERYTHING IS DONE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS IS AN INTENT TO BASICALLY PULL IT ON THE PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND ALSO THEY ARE LIKE, UH, KEEPING THE BUSES SEPARATED FROM THE CAR, DROP OFF AND PICK UP.
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UM, NORMAL, UM, FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES.UH, AGAIN, NORMAL INSTITUTIONAL USES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
S U P CONDITIONS, AS I WAS SAYING, FOR LANDSCAPING.
THIS MAINLY ARTICLE 10, BUT WE ARE ADDING, SO THIS IS, WE'RE JUST ADDING IN THEIR CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PROVIDE MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED.
UH, AND WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THE TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY COUNTED TOWARDS WHATEVER WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THE, UH, WATERLAND TRAIL SITE.
UM, SIDEWALKS AND BUFFERS ARE NORMAL ALONG AS ALTAVISTA AND WONDERLAND.
UM, I WANTED TO PUT MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT YOU CAN, YOU COULD SEE HOW THE POLES ARE.
AND, UM, IT WILL SACRIFICE THEIR BEAUTIFUL TREES.
UM, PEDESTRIAN REMAINS FOR TREE AREAS, SCREAMING OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
THIS IS SOMETHING ALSO WE ASK THEM TO DO AND THEY AGREE.
UM, THIS BEING SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDATION MEANS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS IS BRIEFED WITH THAT LITTLE CHANGE TO SHOW THE THE SHED ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN.
MR, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ITEM? MR. YES, PLEASE.
UM, SIMPLE, JUST, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
SO I KNOW WE DEAL WITH LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW ARTICLE X IS OUR GO-TO.
UM, RETENTION PONDS ARE, UM, TRYING TO GO PEE IN MIND.
I'VE SEEN 'EM DONE GREAT AND I'VE SEEN THEM DONE HORRIBLY.
IS THERE ANY WAY AS A COMMISSION WE CAN REQUIRE RETENTION POND? UM, UM, ATTRACTIONS, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, SCOPE, I THINK WE, WE, WE TOLD IT'S, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY NORMAL.
TALK TO APPLICANTS AS SAY DIVISION RETENTION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAPTURES A LITTLE BIT OF WATER AND THEY'RE NOT, UM, WE WERE TRYING TO, WHAT IF WE PUT A TRAIL, LIKE THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH THE APPLICANT.
WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS? UM, THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO AND GET CLEARANCE FROM ENGINEERING THAT THEY CAN PUT SOME TREES AROUND IT AND THEY CHOSE THE CYPRESS SWITCH DRIVES UNDER LIKE CUBAN.
UM, SO GOING FURTHER, RIGHT? HOW DO WE, HOW CAN WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT CONTROLLING LG CONTROLLING MOSQUITOES, UM, MAINTAINING WATER QUALITY OF THE POND, THOSE ITEMS? DO WE HAVE ANY PERSON BEER TO DISCUSS? I WOULD SAY NO.
OTHER THAN AGAIN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET WHEN I SEE IT'S SHOWN ON THE SIDE PLAN, BECAUSE THEY, THEY CHOSE THIS ROUTE, I'M TRYING TO MAKE TO SOFTEN IT AND MAKE IT NICER.
I KNOW ENGINEERING REQUIRES A FENCE AROUND IT.
A LOT OF GRIEF I HAVE WITH THAT.
I WOULD PREFER THAT TO BE UNDERGROUND, BUT, GOTCHA.
THANK YOU MR. STANDARD, PLEASE.
YEAH, I DO HAVE, UH, A QUESTION I WANT TO BRING UP.
WE DID HAVE, WE HELD THIS TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND UH, AS DR.
DRAYER WAS SAYING, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID IS WHERE THE NEW KITCHEN IS GOING IN, THE DAD'S CLUB HAD TWO SHEDS THERE, SO THEY MOVED THEM.
BUT AN INTERESTING THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND DIDN'T THEY SAY THAT ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WITH THE GROWTH OF DALLAS, WHY AREN'T WE ALSO PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE EXPANSION? 'CAUSE THIS IS THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUDENTS, UH, AS IS ALREADY THERE.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S 10 EXTRA CLASSROOMS, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUDENTS.
AND SO ONE THING THAT THEY DID IN THIS CORRECT, IS THAT THEY ADDED, AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE OUTLINE FOR ANY FUTURE IF THEY, IF THIS SCHOOL NEEDS TO GROW IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THEY'VE SHOWN RIGHT ABOVE THE, UM, CAFETERIA THAT YOU COULD GO THAT WAY IF YOU HAD TO EXPAND.
AND AT QUESTION, IS THERE NO PARKING ON ONE LANE TRAIL SIDE WHERE YOU GO IN TO PICK UP YOUR CHILD? THERE ARE SOME, YOU SEE THERE ARE SOME.
RIGHT NOW THERE ISN'T ANY NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE, I WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NO PARKING IN THE FUTURE.
OH, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
ON THE STREET, CORRECT? UH, YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SHOWING THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK IT'S, THIS IS COMING UP.
I THINK THEY CAN INSTALL SOME ON THEIR SIDE.
UH, AND THEY CAN DO THAT WITH TRANSPORTATION.
RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT ON THE SCHOOL SIDE THERE'S TO BE DONE.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
THEY DON'T WANT ANYONE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SERVICING EVERYONE FROM NORTH HAVEN AND THEY DON'T WANT, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT ON SITE AS OPPOSED TO ON THE STREET TO PREVENT ALL THIS PULLING UP ON THE STREETS.
I THINK THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL MAKE THAT THE DISTRICT BE RESPONSIBLE.
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OKAY.AND THEN I DO WANT TO ASK SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS, I DIDN'T SEE IN THERE THE CYPRESS, I SAW THE CYPRESS TREES AROUND THE PARKING.
I SAW THE NINE TREES ALONG ALGA VISTA AND I SAW A FENCE AROUND THE DETENTION POND.
DID YOU, IS IT SPECIFIED? BECAUSE I THINK ALL THESE DETENTION FUNDS SHOULD NOT ONLY JUST HAVE A FENCE, THEY SHOULD HAVE THOSE
UH, YEAH, ENGINEERING HAS TO APPROVE ON WHAT TYPE OF VEGETATION GOES AROUND THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT INTERFERE WITH THE WATER.
UH, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN OUR S T D CONDITIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NAMED BALL, BUT LET ME REFRESH IT.
I SAW IT ON PARKING AND I PUT, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE START TRULY SCREENING IT, NOT JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME DINKY DENTS.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT A LOT OF PLACES.
OH, AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN A STORM SHELTER, SO, SO I NOTICED THAT 51 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED, BUT 56 ARE GOING IN.
SO THEY'RE OVER PARKING BY A LITTLE BIT.
I WOULD DEFER TO THEM TO ANSWER.
WE ALWAYS TRY TO GET THEM TO A LOT EITHER FOR RATIO OR THEY A LOT OF ATHLETIC, A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON ON CAMPUS.
QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISCUSSION WAS OKAY, I'LL OF THAT.
UH, TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER SAN, THAT I APOLOGIZE.
IN THE LANDSCAPING PROPOSED S CCP CONDITIONS, PAGE SIX SEVEN, YOU'LL SEE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT BALD CYPRESS TREES MUST BE PLANTED AROUND THE PROPOSED DETENTION POINT INDICATED ON SITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MS? OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR LUNCH BREAK.
SO WE'LL GO TO NINE, WE'LL COME BACK TO SEVEN AND EIGHT.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO 9 180 1.
IT'S, UM, NEW SPECIFICALLY PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVING OR DRIVE THROUGH, UH, ON PROPERTY.
LOCATED WITHIN SABER TWO OF
IT IS LOCATED SOUTHLINE ON JAKE, UH, LAKE JUNE ROAD, EAST OF ROSE GARDEN AVENUE.
OR, UH, ON THE AREA YOU CAN SEE IT'S BASICALLY IN A RETAIL STRIP.
UM, IT HAS COMBINATION OF RETAIL PET ABUSES TO THE NORTH AND SOME, UM, CAR RELATED USES.
AND AROUND THE, TO THE SOUTH THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY.
HOWEVER, I THINK THE LOT IMMEDIATELY BACK, I DON'T GET THE SENSE.
PROBABLY IT'S A DUAL TYPE OF USE, BUT IN THE BACK THERE'S A BIGGER PARKING LOT THAT'S CONNECTED.
UM, RETAIL STREET IMMEDIATELY TO THE, TO THE WEST.
THERE'S A COMMERCIAL ABUSEMENT INSIDE.
UM, THIS IS A LARGER VIEW OF HOW THE D ONE, UH, CONTROL OVERLAY AND THE ZONING IN THE AREA.
JUST I WANTED TO SEE HOW IT FITS IN.
UM, THIS IS THE NOT MANY PICTURES, NOT MUCH EXCITEMENT ON THE SIDE OF THAN THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON LATE JUNE.
UM, THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CAN SEE INSIDE THIS BUILDING THERE ARE THREE UNITS, BUT ONLY TWO ARE BEING USED.
ONE IS A HAIR SALON, THE OTHER ONE IS THIS RESTAURANT.
THIS IS MORE OF THE RETAIL STRIP.
UH, 'CAUSE IT CONTINUES TO SHARE WALLS ACROSS THE STREET ON LATE JUNE.
UH, CORRELATED A RETAIL TYPE OF USES.
THE S U P CONDITION IS THE USE.
WE PUT A LIMITATION, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FIVE YEARS.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE THE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
WE PUT A LIMITATION ON THE FLOOR AREA BEING ONE UNIT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I TRIED THAT TOO AND THEN I REALIZED IT WAS A LITTLE BEEN SO EASY.
UH, ON THEIR C O FOR THE RESTAURANT, THEY HAVE THE SQUARE
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FOOTAGE FOR THE, FOR THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS 1,842.BUT IN THEIR REQUEST ON THE ORIGINAL SITE, THEY WERE SHOWING, UH, 1500.
SO THAT'S WHY, UM, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OFF.
SO WE CORRECTED IT UP TO MATCH THEIR EXISTING CO THIS IS THEIR SITE PLAN.
UM, AS I WAS SAYING, THREE UNITS.
THE RESTAURANT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE.
UH, PER THE CO THE PERSONAL SERVICE USE HAS A 1,100.
AND WHAT'S IN THE BAG? THEY SAY STORAGE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A CO, NO NOTHING.
SO, UH, WE
THE, UH, THE BRIEFING INCLUDED THE CORRECTION OF THE SITE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THAT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE C 2 23, 2 10.
IT'S LOCATED NEVADA NORTHEAST DALLAS ON RICHARDSON.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR R ONE HALF ACRE.
SAME FAMILY DISTRICT USES IN MEDICAL CLINIC OR, UH, MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SYM SURGICAL CENTER USES WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN NS A, UH, NAME FOR THE SERVICE DISTRICT ON COPIES OF R ONE HALF ACRE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE OF PERMIT NUMBER 6 5 1 PER COLLEGE UNIVERSITY SEMINARY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WALNUT STREET, EAST OF HAMS ROAD, ABOUT 4.1 ACRES.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT, PRIMARILY RELATED TO USE OF SMART AREA DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP A MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER.
AND HERE IT IS ON THE, UH, RICHLAND CAMPUS.
IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PORTION ORIGINAL CAMPUS.
UM, TODAY AND TO THE NORTH, UH, THERE'S AN OFFICE COMPLEX AND THEN AN OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT.
THERE IS AN UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF THE, UH, RICHLAND CAMPUS AND THE EAST.
IT'S A LARGE SEARCH PARKING LOT AT THE SOUTH, UH, PART OF THE CAMPUS, UH, ON THE SAME LOT.
AND THAT THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE AS PART OF THE, UH, COLLEGE TO THE WEST.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED THAT OUR HALF EIGHT PER SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND IS UNDEVELOPED.
IT DOES HAVE THE SS U P THAT ALLOWS VIRTUAL POLISH TO OPERATE.
UM, AND SO THERE'RE REQUESTING TO KEEP THE, UH, THE PERMANENT SS U P IN PLACE AND NOT MODIFY THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THE S U P.
UH, AND WE'LL SHARE A LOT WITH THAT, UH, BUT WILL NOT MODIFY THAT.
THAT WILL REMAIN AT IN OVERLAY.
AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A NEW PD BASED ON ALL ONE HALF ACRE.
UH, THE ONLY CHANGE IS TRULY BEING TO ALLOW THAT MEDICAL CLINIC, UH, USE AND REDUCE THE CAR DEPARTMENT FOR THIS USE TO A DEGREE.
UH, ALTHOUGH WE DO RECOMMEND AGAINST A SINGLE USE FRAME DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SHOULD BE A PERMISSION TO PROVE OF PD SEVERAL REFERENCE OF CONDITIONS THAT INCLUDE THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OR DESIGN AND CATEGORY RELEVANT.
AND SO AGAINST THE SITE, UM, OR ON WALNUT LOOKING WEST, CYCLING ON OUR LEFT, LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE SIDE.
AND NOW FLIP IT AROUND AND TURN LOOKING EAST, THE SKULL, THE SIDE, THERE'S A BIT OF A RISE, RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, I THINK I'M GONNA CROSS UP ONTO THE RISE, UM, ON THE SITE.
STILL LOOKING WEST FROM, FROM WALNUT TOWARDS THE OFFICE COMPLEX.
IT MUST BE A TOP THE, UH, TOP THE HILL, UH, KIND OF LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE, UH, NORTH PART OF THE CAMPUS.
UH, MOSTLY IN THE DEVELOP CROSSING OVER MORE OF A LOT, UM, TOWARDS THE CENTER OF RICHMOND CAMPUS.
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STANDING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, OF THE SITE LOOKING AT THE SURFACE BAR IN THE SOUTH WHERE IT'S THE VIRTUAL CAMPUS, UM, CORE.AND THIS IS SORT OF ACROSS WALNUT OF THE STREET LOOKING SOUTH.
YOU CAN SEE THE SITE, THE RISE THAT EXISTS THERE.
BUS STOP IN THE CORNER THERE, ACCESS DOWN AND WALNUT.
YES, THERE IS THE ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH AT THIS SIDE.
I MEAN, IT'LL IT'LL BE ON THE SAME LOT, UH, BUT IT'LL BE DIFFERENT ZONING.
AND THEN THAT'S LOOKING AT THE, UH, OPEN SPACE FOR THE WEST.
AND NOW SURROUND USES WILL BE NORTH, THE OFFICE COMPLEX TO THE NORTH.
UM, AND NOW LOOKING EAST, THERE'S SOME RETAIL, I BELIEVE THE CITY REPRESENT IN THAT DIRECTION.
SURROUNDING USE BEING THE SERVICE PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH OR ORIGINALLY CAMPUS.
UH, MORE THAT SERVICE DEPARTMENT OF THE SOUTH.
AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW HERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AS THEY PROPOSE IT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, UH, WE PROVIDED SOME ENGINEERING COMMENTS.
UM, AND AS THE REPORT STATES THAT APPROVAL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN VISITATION TO NOT NECESSARILY A RESOLUTION OF THESE COMMENTS, ALTHOUGH DEVELOP PLANS SHOULD PERFORM THIS CASE.
UM, SO WE DID REQUEST THOSE AND THOSE ARE AVAILABLE IN THE
SO GET DOWN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, AND PRETTY MUCH LEAVE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF R ON THAT PAPER IN PLACE.
UH, STAFF DID RECOMMEND REDUCING THE REPORT STEP ACT, UM, TO, UH, TO ENCOURAGE MORE WATER DESIGN, UM, ANY FURTHER ITERATION OF THE SITE OR REDUCING THE SITE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE
AND, UH, SO BASICALLY HE FUNCTIONS THE SAME AS THAT RF PAPER ALLOWS ADDITIONAL USE.
UM, THEY ALSO DID REQUEST THE PARTNER REDUCTION FROM 200 TO 250 SQUARE FEET OF CORE AREA FOR EACH SPACE FOR THE MEDICAL CLINIC USE.
UM, BASED ON THE SIZE OF BUILDING DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ALL VERY LESS SPOTS.
UH, SO TOTAL OF ONE 20, UH, PROVIDED AND REQUIRED, UH, WITHOUT THE REDUCTION, MAYBE 150.
UM, DESIGN STANDARDS I CAN HIGHLIGHT AND ZOOM ON ANY OF THE PARTICULAR ONES.
UM, THEY ACCEPTED, UH, A NUMBER OF THESE SUGGESTIONS FROM STAFF INCLUDING, UH, SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS WITH A BUFFER ALONG THE WALNUT.
UM, IMPROVED DRIVEWAY CROSSINGS LANGUAGE YOU'RE LIKELY FAMILIAR WITH.
FOUR, UM, PEDESTRIAN MEN USING, KEEPING TWO BENCHES, TWO TRASH CANS AND CLASSICAL RACKS LOCATED ALONG THAT SIDEWALK.
PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE SURELY FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, AND THEN WE IFIED, UH, VAN PEDESTRIAN PATH CODE OF THE SITE THAT DOES HELP CONNECT WALNUT STREET TO THE, UH, RICHMOND CAMPUS AND KIND OF GET A LITTLE INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY EVEN THOUGH THIS IS, THIS STILL, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE LOT.
UH, THERE'S PUBLIC RIGHTWAY RUNNING THROUGH, UM, THE PROPERTY.
THIS STILL IMPROVES INTERNAL ACCESS, SO NOT JUST THIS SITE, BUT THE, THE REMAINING WITH THE RICHLAND SITE.
SO, UH, WOULD'VE HAD BEEN CODIFIED AT THAT PEDESTRIAN PATH ON HERE WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, WESTERN PART OF THE SITE.
AND AS I SAID IN THE GOVERNMENT, SANDERS, WE RECOMMENDED A SMALLER FRONT YARD, THEN THE 40 THAT'S CURRENTLY, UM, PART OF THE BASE DISTRICT.
AND, UM, WE, THEY REQUESTED, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE 201 FOR 200 RATIO PARKING.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NO REQUIRED PARKING.
UM, SET RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL OF AN INTENT SA LABOR SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, UH, THAT SAID RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE TO ADOPT IT SHOULD COMMISSION APPROVAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GARDNER? UH, YES.
ON YOUR PARKING RECOMMENDATION IS THE RATIONALE FOR THAT, THAT, UH, IF THEY WERE TO PROVIDE NO PARKING ON SITE, UM, THE PATRONS WHO COME BY AUTOMOBILE COULD PARK IN THE RICHLAND LOT ACROSS THE STREET, POTENTIALLY.
SO IT SHARES A LOT WITH THE RICHLAND CAMPUS STAFF HAD SERIOUS CONCERN WITH THE CONCENTRATION OF, UH, PARKING IN THAT AREA.
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AND, UH, HAVING NO RATIO, UH, MEANS THAT THERE COULD BE EASIER ACCOUNTING FOR, UM, IN, IN THE BROAD CAMPUS PARKING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR ZERO PARKING.AND THAT IS, THAT IS POTENTIAL.
BUT MY QUESTION, I GUESS IS IF THEY WERE TO BUILD ZERO PARKING, WHICH THEY MIGHT NOT, BUT IF THEY WERE, WHERE WOULD THE CARS PARKED? AND ISN'T THE ANSWER IN THE RIDGELAND LOT ACROSS THE STREET? IT'S, IT'S NOT ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC S UH, SEPARATING THAT DRIVE.
RICHMOND DRIVE IS NOT A STREET.
I MEAN, IT SHOWS HERE, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE ONE, BUT THERE, THERE ARE SINGLE LOT THOSE PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS RIGHT ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.
HOW WIDE IS THAT? HOW WIDE IS THAT DRIVEWAY? UH, FEET, UH, 24 FEET, THE FIREMAN.
AND DOES THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ON MM-HMM.
UM, AND I'M GUESSING THAT THE PORTION OF THE BIG PARKING LOT ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, UM, I'M TRYING TO GET BATTERY THAT APPEARS TO BE THE FARTHEST PARKING FROM THE BULK OF THE COLLEGE BUILDINGS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND UTILIZATION LEAST LIKELY TO BE USED BY THE COLLEGE ON A DAILY BASIS.
UTILIZATION WHEN I WAS THERE WAS EXTREMELY LOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE PORTION OF THE LOT CLOSEST TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAYED INTO THAT THINKING.
SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PICTURE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A SCHOOL BIT, BUT, UM, I WAS THERE ON WEEKDAY AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE CASE IN THAT CASE.
THE ONLY TRAFFIC I SAW COMING THROUGH THE, THE, THE FIREARM WE WERE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, WAS THE BUS, THE BUS STOPS ON THE SOUTHERN PART LOT AND NORTH PART LOT.
I YOU BROUGHT UP BUSES BECAUSE THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION.
IT IS A, IT IS A PARKLAND CLINIC.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE NEEDS TO SERVE A DIFFERENT POPULATION OR, 'CAUSE MY NEXT QUESTION, AND I'M HAPPY TO REFER THIS TO THE APPLICANT, IS IF SO, WHAT IS THE MEANS BY WHICH THAT CONSTITUENCY WOULD ACCESS THE, UH, THE CLINIC? ARE THERE, IS THERE DART SERVICE? YES.
YEAH, YOU, YOU GOT IT? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S PLAY IT INTO THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UM, DART STATION OR DART BUS, UM, HIGH FREQUENCY BUS RUNS, UM, AND DROPS OFF ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS AREA OF REQUEST THROUGH ROUTE 17.
IT RUNS AT THE SAME FREQUENCY AS THE DART RAIL AND IT IN A FIVE MINUTE, UH, BUS, IT TAKES YOU FROM THIS SITE TO THE, TO TWO LINES OF RAIL AT, AT EJ CENTRAL AND THEN THE OTHER DIRECTION ABOUT 10 MINUTES TO THE, UH, THE, UH, THE OTHER STATION ON LG JAIL AND BLUE LINE.
SO THERE'S EXTREMELY HIGH FREQUENCY BUS SERVICE.
SO IF I WERE A RESIDENT OF VICTORY MEADOWS, WHAT WOULD BE MY PATH? I WOULD'VE TO WALK TO THE PARK AT THE PARK LANE DAR DART STATION.
YOU COULD GET ON, GO BY THAT TO SOME, SOME DART STATION TO CONNECT TO THE BUS LJ THERE'S THE, THE RED, THE RED ORANGE LINE GO FROM PARK LANE.
PARK LANE STATION TO L B J CENTRAL.
UH, THERE'S TWO LINES RUNNING THERE AND THEN YOU CAN GET ON 17 LINES VERY FREQUENTLY.
BUT THE 17 ALSO RUNS FROM PARKWAY, UH, AREA AT ON SKILLMAN AND THEN IT RUNS UP AND BACK ON THE OTHER WAY TO THIS SITE COMING NORTH MULTIPLE WAYS.
THE, THE BUS FROM PARK LANE AND SKILLMAN MIGHT BE BEST FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE EASTERN PART OF VICTORY MEADOWS AND PARK LANE DART STATION MIGHT BE THE BEST FOR THOSE ON THE WEST? YES.
UH, QUICK QUESTION ON THE NO PARKING.
SUPPOSE YOU WERE LIKE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON NON-AMBULATORY.
ARE THERE HANDICAP PARKING AT THE SITE? IS THERE HANDICAP PARKING AT THE THEY WILL, THEY'LL, GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HANDICAP PARKING FOR A NEW SITE, IF THEY PROVIDE PARKING, A PORTION OF IT WILL HAVE TO BE HANDICAPPED.
UM, AND THERE'S DOCUMENT PRECLUDES THEM FROM INCLUDING ANY DEGREE TO PARKING.
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WELL I HOPE THAT WHETHER THEY HAVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOR PEOPLE, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PARKLAND CLINIC AND THAT COULD BE THE CASE OF IT.SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR WHO CAN'T GET EASILY ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING AT THE SAME RATE.
I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT TRANSIT SERVICE, UM, IS ALSO VERY VALUABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE A DISABILITY THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM HAVING COMMISSIONER SHARP.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS AN N SS A SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, IT IS NOT YOUR PREFERRED FORCE OF ACTION TO HAVE A PD WITH ONE USE.
BUT ALSO NSA IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE.
IT'S ON A LARGE THIRD FAIR OF WALNUT STREET IS A LARGE DIRT FAIR.
THERE'S RETAIL, UM, COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING ACROSS WALNUT.
THERE'S RETAIL IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, SOME KIND OF ZONING.
AND THE, THE SIZE OF THE SITE, THE ACCESS OF THE SITE N S A IS THE LEAST INTENSE, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING OR RETAIL, UH, ZONING.
UH, BUT IT DOES ALLOW CLINIC BY WRITING.
BUT CAN I, CAN I ADD ALSO, I'M SORRY, FOR PDS, WE, I TRIED, WE TRIED TO USE THE ANGLE, THAT'S AN EXCEPTION.
LIKE LET'S SAY CAN YOU MEET BASE CODE AND IF NOT, WHY DO YOU NEED THIS EXCEPTION? AND THEN WE CAN WORK AND START NEGOTIATE SOMETHING COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
SO WE ALWAYS TRY TO PUT THAT ANGLE LIKE, PLEASE, WHY DO YOU NEED THIS EXCEPTION? OKAY, SO WOULD AN ALTERNATIVE BE AN NS THAT IS LIMITED TO THE MEDICAL CLINIC? WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, THERE'S NO TOOL WITHIN MS TO, TO TAKE OUT THINGS, UH, FROM A GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT MY, THIS PLANNER'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION WILL GET UP.
THERE ARE NO USES IN M SS A THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE ON THIS FLOOR ORDER.
AND YOU AGREE YOU ARE, YOU'RE UNDER, YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE APPLICANT DISAGREES WITH THAT ASSESSMENT? I, I AM.
AND WE, AND WE LET HIM EARLY IN THE PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
A RECOMMENDATION IS DIFFERENT.
THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THE SETBACK, THE FIVE FEET MINIMUM STACK RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT 'CAUSE YOU WANT THE ENGAGEMENT AT THE STREET LEVEL BECAUSE THERE'S RETAIL ACROSS FROM THE STREET? I'VE TALKED FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT THE SETBACK, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE BASE STEP ACT IN THE DISTRICT HAS, OR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT MR HAS IS BEING PUT FORWARD IS GONNA BE 40 'CAUSE IT DEFAULTS BACK OUR ONE HALF ACRE, UH, DISTRICT.
BUT I GUESS WHAT IS THE CONCERN WITH THAT? SO, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, JUST BROADLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK AMONG OTHER THINGS, IT MAKES IT HARDER TO ACCESS FROM THE STREET BY A TRANSIT USER, A PERSON WALKING BECAUSE IT SEPARATES IT AND, AND PUTS PARKING IN FRONT, IT VERY FREQUENTLY LEADS TO THE ONLY OUTCOME BEING PARKING IN BETWEEN THAT THERE IN THERE.
SO THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT OBSTACLE.
UM, THEY MAY NOT UTILIZE IT NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S WHEN AT THE VERY LEAST INCENT CLOSET THAT IT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET.
IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PEDESTRIAN OR TRANSIT USER.
AND THAT WAY, LIKE WE SAID, IF A PERSON IS ANY DRIVER HAS A DISABILITY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO AS FAR THROUGH THE PARKING LOT POTENTIALLY.
SO I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE CONCERN WITH THE 40 FOOT STEPBACK MEANS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED THEY'LL PUT PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE ROAD.
IS THAT YOUR PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THE 40 FOOT? THERE ARE.
THERE ARE A LITANY OF, OF GOOD REASONS TO HAVE REDUCED FRONT SETBACKS, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF 'EM.
UM, OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A MORE APPROACHABLE, UM, IT'S A MORE APPROACHABLE, UM, EDGE TO HAVE A, A BUILDING CLOSE TO THE STREET WHERE YOU'RE WALKING, NOT EVEN ACCESSING A SITE WHERE YOU'RE WALKING PAST IT.
UM, AS IT, IT HELPS IN DEFINITION AND SCALE.
UH, WHEN IT'S WIDE AND OPEN, IT'S OFTEN UNCOMFORTABLE FOR A PROFESSOR, EVEN IF THEY'RE JUST WALKING PAST.
UH, COMMISSIONER, IS THERE OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? LET'S GO AHEAD AND HIT TO THE HORSESHOE AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING OF THIS CASE.
QUESTIONS? WE'LL BEGIN THE BRIEFING PLEASE.
MELISSA, MEANWHILE IS AROUND IN ALASKA.
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SHE LOOKS LIKE IT.IT SOUNDS LIKE RYAN
YOU MIGHT HAVE LOST SPECIFIC CHECK.
[CALL TO ORDER]
CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT, ABSENT DISTRICT NINE.
IS SHE ONLINE DISTRICT 13 PRESENT.
DISTRICT 14 HERE AND PLACE 15? I'M HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. PINA.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, 1250
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5:00 PM WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, I WILL, MS. PINA WILL KEEP TIME.
SHE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE ALSO WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
I WILL ASK ALL OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA ON AND WORKING.
UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
IN CASES WHERE THERE IS OPPOSITION, UH, PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
AND WITH THAT, UH, COMMISSIONERS,
[BRIEFINGS (PART 2 OF 2)]
WE'RE GONNA HEAD BACK TO THE BRIEFING.UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE THREE MORE CASES THAT WE HAVE TO BRIEF AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN AT THE TOP OF THE DOCKET.
WE'RE ON FINISHING UP BRIEFING ON CASE NUMBER 10, AND WE HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. PEPE, UM, WHERE AM I? OH, THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT, UH, OF JANUARY NINE DURING THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL GAME, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THIS CASE? I WAS PROBABLY WATCHING THE GAME.
AND SO I WELL, I I AM AWARE NOW.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU THAT, AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT AT THAT MEETING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PRESENTED WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE PD WITH THE ONE ADDITIONAL USE RATHER THAN STRAIGHT ZONING? IN OTHER WORDS, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I AM AWARE.
AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT WAS FAVORABLY RECEIVED? YES.
AND WHEN WE NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR N MS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THEY INFORMED US THE SAME.
AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT IN THE INTERVENING MONTHS SINCE THAT MEETING, NOTHING HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT A CHANGE IN APPROACH ON THE ZONING I AM NOW, YES.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT THE, ON THE SUBJECT OF PARKING AND HOW, UH, TO ADDRESS PARKING AT THIS USE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT HAS GONE ON RECORD THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEIR PARKING IS NEEDED FOR THEIR STUDENTS? UM, AND THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, UH, BIG SURGES OF PARKING DEMAND, UH, BASED ON TIME OF DAY, DAY OF WEEK, AND THAT, UM, UM, PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO USE THIS LAND WAS THAT, UM, THE, UH, PARKLAND CLINIC WOULD PROVIDE ITS OWN PARKING.
WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT WHILE THE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN, WHILE THE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN APPLICANT AND, UM, PROPERTY OWNER? NOT PARTIC OF PARTICULAR CONCERN HERE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT I DO THINK THAT ZERO PARKING MINIMUM OF ZERO VERSUS A SMALL PARKING MINIMUM ARE EASIER TO T TO TABULATE WHEN YOU GET TO, UM, BUILDING AND BUILDING INSPECTION AND THEY HAVE TO, UM, COUNT, OH, DOES THIS SIDE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO SHARE WITH THIS ONE? WELL, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER TO, TO DO THAT CALCULATION WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THE REQUIREMENT IS ZERO.
UM, AND I DO THINK THAT IT WILL, IT CAN ENCOURAGE AND ENABLE THAT POSSIBILITY AS THEY DO SHARE A LOT, UM, BETTER THAN, BETTER THAN EVEN A SMALL REQUIREMENT.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT.
UH, BEYOND THAT, THEY MAY PROVE IF WE APPROVE A ZERO, UM, A MINIMUM OF ZERO, THEY MAY STILL PROVIDE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN FIT.
AND THEN MY, MY LAST QUESTION, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT FUNDING THAT FOR THIS CLINIC THAT SORT OF HANGS IN THE BALANCE, UM, AT THE MOMENT, UM, AND THAT, UM, WE NEED TO PROCESS THIS CASE TODAY IN ORDER FOR THAT FUNDING TO BE AVAILABLE TO BUILD THIS CLINIC? I'M, I'M NOT AWARE THE FUNDING AND AGREEMENTS LIKE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT AT THE SAME RATE, UM, WE HAVE ADVERTISED THIS CASE AS N SS A AS A POTENTIAL, UM, ALTERNATIVE.
SO IT SHOULD NOT SLOW DOWN THE, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CASE BECAUSE WE'LL ADVERTISE IT AS N S A AND PD.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T NEED A REIFICATION, JUST IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
MS. DEPI, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ON THE SETBACK AND JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION BY THE APPLICANT OF HOW THE BUILDING WAS CITED ON THE LOT.
UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF, I GUESS, PARKING BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND STREETS PREVALENT IN
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THE AREA, WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED OR DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT? PRIMARILY WE FOCUSED ON, UM, WE, WE FOCUSED ON N S A BEING THE, UH, THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR THIS KIND OF USE FOR THIS SORT OF LOT.UM, BEYOND THAT, THE, IF THEY ARE TO STICK TO THE STANDARDS OF R ONE HALF ACRE AS THEY HAVE REQUESTED, UM, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OTHER SITE PLANS THAT CAN BE DRAWN IN A 40, FRONT 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, PARKING REQUIRED 200 PER, UH, 200 PER, OR ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE UNDER THE REGIME THE CONDITIONS PROPOSED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY OTHER SITE PLANS THAT, THAT ARE FEASIBLE.
AND JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I OVERLOOKED THIS.
IN THE CONDITIONS USING THE R 0.5 AS A BASE, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CONDITIONS BASED ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN? THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THEIR, THEIR FRONT SETBACK REMAINS 40% AND THEN IT REMAIN, IT DOES REMAIN SILENCE ON, ON THE SECTION OF CODE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, WE CAN LOOK AT THE INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER THAT IS, IS TO APPLY, BUT THAT WE, THE, UH, PD IS SILENT ON THE FRONT SETBACK PARKING, RESIDENTIAL.
AM I CORRECT THAT IF WE GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF N S A, THERE'LL BE A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK INSTEAD OF YOUR PREFERRED FIVE BUTTON WAS STUCK.
WHAT, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE 15 FOOT FRONT? UM, THAT'S FROM YOUR YARD LOT.
OH, UNDER THE N S A RIGHT? UNDER THE N S A? THAT'S CORRECT.
LIKEWISE, IF WE GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF N SS A INSTEAD OF NO PARKING REQUIREMENT, THERE'LL BE A ONE TO 200 PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S TRUE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE TRADE-OFFS IN, IN ANY SITUATION.
UM, THERE ARE BENEFITS BEYOND THOSE THINGS IN THE BASE ZONE, IN THE GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT OF N S A, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR OTHER, UH, DIVERSE USES, UH, THE EASIER, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE, EXCUSE ME, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS INVOLVED.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THOSE WILL APPLY IN THE GENERAL ZONING CATEGORY.
UH, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE TRADE OFFS WHEN YOU'RE WORKING AT A PD.
IF THIS PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED UNDER THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH A NEW BUILDING, THOSE OTHER DIVERSE USES WOULD BE A, A BUILDING GENERATION AWAY, WOULD THEY NOT? IN OTHER WORDS, THIS SITE WILL, WILL USE UP THE SPACE FOR A MEDICAL CLINIC AND IF A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A DOGGY DAYCARE OR WHATEVER ELSE IS ALLOWED IN N S A IS GONNA COME ALONG, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME ALONG ONLY WHEN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT VACATES THE SPACE.
UH, WELL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD THIS SITE PLAN UNDER AN N SS A, THEY COULD BUILD A DIFFERENT SITE PLAN POTENTIALLY WITH, UH, MORE SPACE.
AND I AM ALSO IN THE INTEREST OF, OF MAKING PLANS AND ZONING DISTRICTS FOR 20, 30, 40 YEARS IF, IF IT'S FEASIBLE.
BUT THE, THE REALISTIC LIKELIHOOD THAT THE DALLAS COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT WOULD BUILD IN 2023 OR FOUR, SOMETHING OTHER THAN THIS PROPOSED MEDICAL CLINIC, I'LL PROBABLY PUT IT PRETTY SMALL.
WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT SO THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT GET INTO THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUSINESS IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US.
I THINK THAT INCENTIVIZING, INCENTIVIZING DIVERSE USES IS GOOD WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
AND THAT BEYOND JUST USES, THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS, UM, IN THAT N SS A VERSUS PD TRADE OFF.
MR. PEPE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, UM, THE ASKS THAT YOU ASKED OF THE APPLICANT? I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT BEFORE THIS STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, THAT ONE? YES.
SO THIS IS A MOMENT OF EDUCATION FOR ME.
I, I SPOKE ABOUT A DE THE, UH, DETENTION PONDS.
I NOTICED THERE'S ONE IN THE SITE PLAN.
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CAN WE ASK FOR THINGS LIKE PLANNING AROUND THE BANKS ROCK WORKS FOUNTAINS IN REGARDS TO THE DE DETENTION POND IN THESE SITUATIONS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF OUR LANDSCAPING CODE, WHICH IS WITHIN THE MEANS OF MODIFICATION THROUGH A PD.SO ANYONE INTERESTED COULD PROPOSE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN REGARDS TO, TO THOSE SORTS OF PLANTINGS.
UH, AS IT STANDS, THE PD DEFAULTS TO ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING.
SO THEY ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED THE BASE ARTICLE 10 THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, THAT SAID, IF YOU ARE IN A PD, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD CONDITIONS SUCH AS WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
MR. PEPE, IF THIS IS APPROVED AS A PD, WOULD THAT BE, THE APPROVAL WILL BE SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS? A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? YES, BUT OUR RECOMMEND, OUR OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION IS, IS, IS NOT THAT, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND, UM, THE ALTERATIONS THAT OUR ENGINEERING, UH, FOLKS PUT FORWARD.
SO IT WOULD BE A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
ANY COMMISSIONER STANNER? I JUST WANNA CONFIRM SOMETHING.
SO UNDER THE PD ASK, IT WAS 25% LOT COVERAGE AND UNDER THE STAFF'S REP RECOMMENDATION OF THE N SS A, IT'S 40%, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE ASKING THE LOT COVERAGE UNDER THE TWO DISTRICTS? IT'S 25 FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN R ONE HALF ACRE AND THEY DID NOT MODIFY THAT IN THE PD TEXT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONERS WE'LL GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN, MS. MUNOZ THERE.
THIS ONE I THINK HAS BEEN BRIEF AND IN FACT HEARD.
ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THIS ONE? IT'S A Z 2 1 2 3 48.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE EARLIER ISSUES THAT I WAS FACING.
UM, NO, THERE ARE NO UPDATES TO THIS REQUEST.
COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, YOUNG QUESTIONS? UH, YES.
UH, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTO, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE EXISTING BUILDING HAS A VERY HIGH LOT COVERAGE.
AND DO YOU SEE ANY WAY THE EXISTING BUILDING, IF ZONED MULTI-FAMILY COULD PROVIDE THE PARKING NECESSARY FOR A NINE UNIT MULTIFAMILY USE? I DO NOT.
AND THAT IS PART OF THE BASIS FOR MY RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
I KNOW I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE WHEN WE BRIEFED IT, BUT I'M ASKING IT AGAIN AND IT'S SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S, BUT ON A DIFFERENT ONE.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD BE, I, I UNDERSTAND IT HAS NINE INDIVIDUAL UNITS WITH KITCHENETTES OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
IS THERE ANY WAY IT CAN BE CONVERTED WHERE IT COULD BE MODIFIED TO BE CONSIDERED A GROUP HOME WITH NINE PEOPLE LIVING THERE? IT CANNOT BE A GROUP HOME BECAUSE IT IS NOT PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT, THE EXISTING DISTRICT.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A HANDICAPPED RESIDENTIAL.
AND IN THAT CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE COULD BE MODIFIED TO MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
SO I HAVE DIRECTED THE APPLICANT IF THAT IS THE OPTION THEY ARE CONSIDERING TO SPEAK TO BOTH CODE COMPLIANCE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT NUMBER ONE FLAG THEM FOR NON-COMPLIANCE IN THE DISTRICT THAT EXISTS.
AND NUMBER TWO CAN PROPERLY TELL THEM WHETHER OR WHAT AMENDMENTS NEED TO BE MADE AND THEN WHAT CODES WOULD APPLY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF ANY, UH, ALTERATIONS
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TO THE STRUCTURE AS IT EXISTS.SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE A GROUP HOME SHOULD PROVIDE ROOM AND BOARD MEANING FOOD TOO, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOOD? NO.
UM, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE SAYING HAD TO BE MODIFIED OTHER THAN PHYSICALLY MAKING IT LIKE ONE IN A ENTITY WITH NINE ROOMS? SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAND USES THAT THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED.
IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT A HANDICAPPED GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE THAT DOES NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE NINE DIFFERENT BEDROOMS THAT SHARE A KITCHEN.
AND MAYBE, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ENTRIES, BUT CURRENTLY THESE ARE NINE SEPARATE UNITS, RIGHT? WITH THEIR OWN KITCHENS AND THEIR OWN PRIVATE ENTRIES ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR ISSUES.
SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY EASY WAY FOR THAT TO BE MODIFIED? I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE A MOTEL WITH TINY LITTLE ROOMS WITH KITCHENETTES AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY WAY IT COULD BE MODIFIED TO BE NINE BEDROOMS WITH THE SHARED KITCHEN.
NO, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.
I'M SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET WITH THE PROPER DEPARTMENTS.
TO DISCUSS THE BUILDING CODES IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY WHAT EXISTING IN THE STRUCTURE AND WHAT AMENDMENTS NEED TO BE MADE ALTERATIONS TO THAT STRUCTURE TO MEET THE CODE.
ONE, ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION THAT MAKES SENSE.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY VETERANS GROUP HOMES IN THE DALLAS AREA WHERE A GROUP OF VETERANS LIVE TOGETHER UNDER THE AUSPICES OF A GROUP HOME? I HAVE NEVER RESEARCHED ONE, SO NO.
UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE R P S REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE IF THIS WERE AN MF ZONED PROPERTY? IT WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING TALLER THAN 26 FEET BECAUSE R P S WOULD APPLY FROM ALL DIRECTIONS INTO THIS AND IT'S FAR TOO NARROW TO EVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING TALLER THAN THE THE MAXIMUM FOR, UM, THE DISTRICT BEFORE R P S.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE SAYING EVEN IF THE ZONING WERE CHANGED, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY THAT THIS WOULD BE ANY HIGHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ACTUALLY ALLOWS BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY, THE LOT JUST ISN'T BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ANY EXTRA HEIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO ASK, UM, WOULD NOT A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY BE ALLOWED UNDER MF ZONING? NOT A HANDICAP, BUT JUST YES.
A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY WOULD BE PERMITTED IN MULTIFAMILY ZONING, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE REQUESTING A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT.
AND IF THEY OPERATED AS THAT USE UNDER MF ZONING, ARE THERE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MET OR WOULD THEY BASICALLY BE OPERATING AS A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DEFINES A GROUP RESIDENTIAL USE UNDER THAT ZONING CATEGORY? OKAY, JUST ONE MOMENT.
WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, I'M CURIOUS ALSO WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT UNDER THAT USE WOULD BE? COMMISSIONER POPKIN, I HAVE THAT UP IN FRONT OF ME.
IT'S A QUARTER OF A SPACE PER BED PLUS ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AREA WITH A MINIMUM OF FOUR SPACES.
AND SO AT A QUARTER SPACE PER BED, UM, IS THERE A, I I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS LIMITED BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WAS THAT HANDICAP GROUP GROUP RESIDENTIAL? I KNOW I GAVE YOU ALL OF THE ITERATIONS AND I DO NOT WANNA SPEAK OUT OF LINE, SO THAT'S WHY I'D RATHER PULL IT UP IN FRONT OF ME BEFORE I TELL YOU AGAIN.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS OF DELVING THROUGH ALL THE DATA AND ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
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YEAH, THE HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNIT WOULD REQUIRE SOLELY TWO PARKING SPACES WHERE THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL REQUIRES THE POINT 25 AS, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER YOUNG ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR OFFICE SPACE, WHICH I'VE NEVER SEEN A SITE PLAN FOR THIS SINCE IT'S A GENERAL ZONE CHANGE.THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS I'M NOT AWARE OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY OFFICE SPACE THERE.
AND WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO DEEDED RESTRICT U USES ON A MULTIFAMILY ZONED PROPERTY? OF COURSE, IF THE APPLICANT SO CHOOSES TO DO SO.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO PUT FORTH THE OFFER TO DEEDED RESTRICT, IT COULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, DEEDED RESTRICTED TO ONLY GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY AND NOT USED AS MARKET RATE HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
IT CERTAINLY RESTRICT ANY MULTI-FAMILY IF THEY CHOSE TO.
THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE ONE MORE CASE TO BRIEF THAT WOULD, THAT'S CASE NUMBER EIGHT.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY PRESENTATION? NOT YET.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS, BUT LET ME KNOW AS SOON AS YOU CAN SEE IT.
SO THIS REQUEST IS Z 2 1 23 53 AND IT'S FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT ON PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN SUBDISTRICT, ONE OF PD 6 21, THE OLD TRINITY AND DESIGN DISTRICT SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
THE AREA OF REQUEST IS ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.
THEY'RE AMENDING PROVISIONS TO ALLOW FOR HEIGHT BONUSES, A REDUCTION IN PARKING RATIO FOR AN OFFICE USE AND OVERALL REDUCTION IN SITE TREES.
AND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAN WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS.
WHEN RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PROVIDED, THEY ARE OFFERING A MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS OF 5% AT UM, AN A M F I OF 81 TO 100 AND ONLY FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT, WHICH ALSO HAS THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT BONUS PROVIDED FOR THAT SUBDISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY AGAIN IS IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT.
IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN IRVING BOULEVARD AND MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD NORTHWEST OF
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OAKLAWN AVENUE.AND HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING YOU THE DEVELOPED NATURE OF THE SITE.
OF COURSE DESIGN, DISTRICT OF LOTS OF WAREHOUSE USES THAT WERE ALL ORIGINALLY FROM, I'D SAY THE FIFTIES OR SO.
AND THESE ONES, UM, ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT THEY'RE FROM ABOUT THE 1950S AND INCLUDE A TOTAL OF ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN WHAT IS PRIMARILY USED AS OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES.
AND THERE IS ALSO A VACANT ANIMAL SHELTER OR CLINIC USE, WHICH HAD A CO FROM A FEW YEARS BACK AS WELL.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL SURROUNDING LAND USES, INCLUDING PERSONAL SERVICE, RESTAURANT OFFICE AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITH DRIVE THROUGH TO THE NORTHWEST AND THEN TO THE NORTH ACROSS MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD, WE DO HAVE MULTIFAMILY, GENERAL MERCHANDISER, FOOD STORE, MEDICAL CLINIC, AND MORE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES THE EAST YOU SEE AN INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND THEN OTHER PERSONAL SERVICE, GENERAL MERCHANDISE AND FOOD STORE, FUELING STATION, RESTAURANTS, BAR LOUNGES AS WELL AS TO THE SOUTHWEST WHERE WE HAVE MORE OF THE SAME PERSONAL SERVICE OFFICE.
OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES.
HERE IS A VIEW OF THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING NORTHWEST ON IRVING BOULEVARD, WHICH FRONTS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT'S LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST ADJACENT RESTAURANTS.
THERE'S SOME, THERE'S THE, THE STRAND TRAIL IS LOCATED HERE WITH A MASSIVE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ACCESS TO THAT TRAIL CAN BE REACHED EASILY, UM, MORE SO THROUGH MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD FROM THIS SITE, BUT IT COULD BE REACHED FROM EITHER STREET, BOTH IRVING AND MARKET CENTER.
THERE'S THAT MULTIFAMILY LOCATED NORTH FROM TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD ALONG THE STRAND.
AND THEN MORE OF THAT BANK AND OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE SITE AND SOME OF THOSE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST WITHIN THESE FACILITIES THAT WERE ALL BUILT AROUND THE 1950S.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS NORTHEAST ON MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD, OTHER RETAIL OR OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES AND THEN THAT FEELING STATION TO THE SOUTHEAST ACROSS OAKLAWN AVENUE OR RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL USES.
PERSONAL SERVICE AND OFFICE SHERMAN WAREHOUSE.
AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON IRVING BOULEVARD, JUST SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE WHERE WE ALSO SEE SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION OCCURRING ALL ACROSS THERE BEING REDEVELOPED OR MAYBE RENOVATED.
AND THIS IS JUST THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT COMES INTO A PARKING STRUCTURE FOR THE ADJACENT LAND USES.
AND THAT'S LOOKING ONTO THE SITE ITSELF.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET SOUTHWEST ON IRVING.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE STRUCTURES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.
AND HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS FULLY DESCRIBED IN THE DOCKET MATERIALS.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE MIX OF USES THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT ONE LAND USES.
IN TOTALITY, STAFF DISAGREES AND BELIEVES THAT SOME OF THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT ONE LAND USES AREN'T ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY THE AREA PLANS.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE A REDUCTION IN ALL INDUSTRIAL USES OR SURFACE PARKING RELATED.
UM, STYLE USES THAT INCREASE THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE OR NOT LOT COVERAGE BUT LOT.
UM, I GUESS PAVING IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID AND TO INCREASE THE GREEN SPACES.
ACCORDING TO THE AREA PLANS, AGAIN, THEY ARE RECOMMENDING TO PROVIDE A 5% MIXED INCOME HOUSING AT 81 TO 100 AND THAT WOULD INCREASE THEIR HEIGHT FROM THE EXISTING 130 FEET UP TO 185 FEET FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT AS DEFINED IN THE CODE THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.
DOES NOT INCLUDE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT COULD BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE ONE.
SO IN THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT ONE THEY CAN INCREASE THE HEIGHT TO 150 FEET AND INCREASE THE F A R BY HALF A POINT IF A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS INCLUDED IN THE MIXED USE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT INCLUDED THAT ELEMENT AS BEING A PART OF THE REQUIREMENT WHILE INCREASING THE OVERALL BONUSES BEING PROVIDED TO THEM.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE PROVIDING 20 FEET FOR MECHANICALS.
SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT IS OVER 200 FEET.
THEY ARE PROPOSING WITH THIS 5,500, I'M SORRY, 55 FOOT
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PLUS 20 FOOT FOR MECHANICALS TO PROVIDE STREET LEVEL USES AND PARKING STRUCTURE CONCEALMENT.SO SOME ACTIVE USES, WRAPPING THAT PARKING STRUCTURE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, OPEN SPACE AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING AS NOTED EARLIER.
AND THEN SOME MORE OF THE, UM, VARIATIONS THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED ARE AN A REDUCTION IN THE SITE TREES AND UH, REDUCTION IN PARKING FOR OFFICE USES.
AND THEN AN INCREASE IN THE ALLOWABLE SIGNS TO ALLOW ONE 1200 SQUARE FOOT ROOFTOP SIGN, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL CASES, SEVERAL SUB-DISTRICTS EITHER ATTEMPTED OR CREATED.
IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOFTOP SIGNS.
UM, IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS SPEAKS TO THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THEY'RE REQUESTING TO DEFINE AN ENTRYWAY PORTAL SIGN.
HERE IS THEIR PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWING THE PERMITTED BUILDING AREAS AND THE TOTAL F A R OF 4.0.
PROPOSED USES ARE NOTED HERE WITH RESTAURANT RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USES HAVING A MINIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, A FLOOR AREA LOCATED AT THE STREET LEVEL.
UM, EXHIBIT B, WHICH IS THE OVERALL SUBDISTRICT MAP CREATED BY OUR STAFF IN THE G I S DEPARTMENT.
THEY WILL UPDATE THIS IF IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO PROVIDE THE CARVE OUT FOR THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT AS PROPOSED TO BE LIKELY SUBDISTRICT ONE K.
AND THEN FOR CONSISTENCY REVIEW, STAFF DID LOOK AT THE MULTITUDE OF AREA PLANS THAT APPLY TO THIS SITE AND MANY OF THEM SPEAK TO MAKING THIS A WALKABLE MIXED ADAPTIVE REUSE SORTS OF UM, SITE AND ENCOURAGE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
HOWEVER, THEY ALSO SPEAK TO THE PAVED NATURE AND THE EXISTING PARKING THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN DISTRICT AND HOW IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO COMPLY WITH LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE IF YOU ARE DOING AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THIS SITES.
BUT WITH A TOTAL KNOCKDOWN AND SCRAPE OF THE SITE STAFF FEELS THAT IS MOST APPROPRIATE TO, UM, COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE OVERALL.
AND ALSO STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROJECTING THE BEST, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE AREA PLANS, WHICH ALL SPEAK TO HAVING MIXED USE.
THE PROPER MIXED USE IS NOT DONE IF IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
THOSE AREA PLANS RECOMMEND ANYWHERE FROM 25% TO 75% RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO BE INCLUDED IN A MIXED USE PROJECT FOR THIS SITE.
AND SO STAFF FEELS THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS GRANTED FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT ONE, I'M SORRY, THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS GRANTED BY A SPECIAL PROJECT THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND IT SHOULD BE GUARANTEED BY INCLUDING A FULL MIXED USE PROJECT AS AS DEFINED IN ALL OF THE AREA PLANS WHICH SPEAK TO HAVING A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AS A PRIORITY AND THE UNDERLINING ZONING OF BOTH PD 6 21 AND MIXED USE DISTRICTS IN NATURE.
A FOUND IN CHAPTER 51 A, WHICH ALL SPEAK TO INCENTIVIZING A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT INCLUDES A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
ALL THE VARIATIONS IN HEIGHT AND F A R AND DWELLING UNIT DENSITY ALWAYS ARE INCREASED AS YOU INCREASE OR INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS FOR THESE PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT IS THE VITALITY OF A MIXED USE PROJECT.
THAT IS THE, THE WAY THAT THEY ARE BEST ADAPTED AND USED IS FOR THEM TO HAVE THE PEOPLE THERE TO USE AND TO WORK ON THE SITE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO STAFF AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE IT AS A REQUIRED ELEMENT.
AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE REDUCTION GOES, I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT WHILE THE CONDITION WAS UPDATED IN THE DOCKET AND HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS BLUISH GREENISH COLOR, I DID NOT SPEAK TO THAT SECTION OF MY REPORT.
SO I'D LIKE TO JUST STATE THAT THEY WILL NO LONGER HAVE THE PROVISION THAT CLEARLY STATES THAT UP TO 50% OF THE TREES CAN BE REDUCED IF THE REMAINING TREES ARE LARGER IN CALIPER INCHES.
THIS MEANS THAT THE FOUR ACRE SITE COULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 19 TREES.
THEY ARE NOW REQUIRING THAT THEY COULD ONLY BE REDUCED TO 25 TREES, HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT MODIFYING THE OVERALL CALIBER
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INCHES.AND ULTIMATELY THEY HAVE ALSO REMOVED THE PROVISION WHICH STATES THAT THE DIRECTOR COULD MAKE THE CALL FOR THE NUMBER OF SITE TREES AS WELL.
AND OVERALL, EVEN IF THEY DID PROVIDE THE MINIMUM OF 25 TREES FOR THIS NEARLY FOUR AND A HALF ACRE SITE, THAT IS APPROXIMATELY ONE TREE PER 7,694 SQUARE FEET.
SO WHILE THE CITY ARBORISTS DID FIND THE PROVISIONS AS WRITTEN TO BE ACCEPTABLE FOR APPLICABILITY PURPOSES, STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT A REDUCTION IN SITE TREES FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION OR MAJOR MODIFICATIONS.
THOSE HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO, UM, COUNT FOR WHEN THEY ARE DESIGNING THIS SITE.
IT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH THE MULTITUDE OF PLANS FOR THIS AREA AND THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS TO PROVIDE LESSER IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE AND TO INCREASE THE GREEN SPACES AND TREES, ESPECIALLY IN AREAS LIKE THIS, WHICH ARE SLATED TO HAVE THE HIGHEST DENSITY WITHIN THE CITY AND ARE SO CLOSE TO THE CORE OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE AREA PLANS ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MISALIGNMENT AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS OF THOSE ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS WITH EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TYPES, ESPECIALLY FOR ADAPTIVE REUSE.
AND IF WE WERE SPEAKING TO ADAPTIVE REUSE, STAFF WOULD BE MORE WILLING TO MAKE EXCEPTIONS.
HOWEVER, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT ARE SOUGHT AND FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHERE THEY ARE DOING SITE PLANNING AND THEY CAN COMPLY, THEY SHOULD COMPLY WITH LANDSCAPING REGULATIONS IF NOT SURPASSED THEM CONSIDERING THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THEY ARE ASKING FOR.
SO TO QUALIFY AS A SPECIAL PROJECT STAFF BOXES THAT YOU HAVE FOUND IN THE CONDITIONS IN THE DOCKET INCLUDE TO REQUIRE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO LIMIT THE LAND USES THAT ARE PERMITTED FOR A BUYRIGHT SUBDISTRICT.
IN OTHER WORDS, NO LONGER ALLOW INDUSTRIAL USES AS CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN THE SUBDISTRICT.
SO TO LIMIT THE OVERALL LAND USES DUE TO INAPPROPRIATENESS.
AS WE SEE THIS AREA CHANGING, WE WANNA SEE LESS INDUSTRIAL USES LESS WAREHOUSE IF YOU WANT MAYBE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE DOES CONTINUE TO FEED TO FIT THE CHARACTER OF THIS DISTRICT.
BUT OVERALL INDUSTRIAL USES AND WAREHOUSE USES DOES DO NOT.
AND SO THOSE USES SHOULD BE REMOVED AND THE INTENT OVERALL IS TO INCREASE THOSE GREEN SPACES AND NOT TO PROMOTE ADDITIONAL IMPERVIOUS SERVICE TYPES.
SO IN THE RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE USES STAFF ALSO RECOMMENDS REMOVING UM, HEAVY PARKING RELATED PARKING LOT RELATED USES.
AND THEN THE WE DO UM, RECOMMEND ADDING THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS STANDARD FOR A MULTIFAMILY PARKING REDUCTION.
AND AS WELL AS THE REDUCTION IN SITE TREES.
WE HAVE ALREADY DESCRIBED HOW IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE AREA PLANS AND OVERALL CITY GOALS.
AND SO WE WILL NOT SUPPORT THAT THAT IS BOXED IN THERE AS WELL.
WE RECOMMEND GOING BY CODE REQUIREMENT AND THEN TO MAINTAIN THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING PROGRAM STANDARD FOR SPECIALTY UNITS THAT SHOULD NOT BE AMENDED TO DOUBLE IT FOR THEM.
THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT HERE AT THE SITE AS FAR AS THE CITY SEES THIS SHOULD BE MAINTAINED AND THERE IS NO NEED TO HAVE THE FEE IN LIEU INFORMATION STATED THAT IS THE CURRENT CODE AND IT WOULD STILL APPLY.
IT IS A REDUNDANT FEATURE OF THESE PROVISIONS.
THAT RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A REVISED EXHIBIT 6 21 B AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
COMMISSIONER, STANDARD QUESTIONS? UH, YES.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THAT EXCELLENT PRESENTATION AND ANALYSIS.
BUT NOW TO MY QUESTION AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME I'VE COME ACROSS THIS TERM IN THE LAST MONTH AND I WENT TO THE CODE 'CAUSE YOU SAID A SPECIAL PROJECT AS DEFINED BY THE CODE.
WELL, I WENT TO THE CODE AND LOOKED UP SPECIAL PROJECT AND COULD FIND NO DEFINITION, NOTHING IN CONJUNCTION WITH IT.
AND SO I GUESS I'M ASKING AND PARTICULARLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE APPLICANT'S DEFINITION OF SPECIAL PROJECT IN YOUR DEFINITIONS AND YOURS, WHICH INCLUDES THE UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
COULD YOU TELL ME HOW STAFF DEFINES SPECIAL PROJECT STAFF DOES NOT DEFINE SPECIAL PROJECTS.
AND OVERALL STAFF HAS LARGELY BEEN AGAINST THE IDEA OF CREATING BASICALLY A PD WITHIN A PD, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING MORE OF.
IT IS A WAY TO ALLOW A DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE A SAFER BASE CODE SORT OF DEVELOPMENT TYPE AND THEN AN INCENTIVIZED
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ONE THAT SHOWS LARGER PUBLIC BENEFITS WITH LARGER DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BEING GRANTED.THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IN THIS SCENARIO AND IT IS BASED OFF OF THE DEFINITIONS IN THE PROPOSED CODE.
SO THE PROPOSED PD CONDITIONS, OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES NOT HAVE A SPECIAL PROJECTS DEFINITION.
IT HAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT DEFINITION AND IT HAS OTHER DEFINITIONS LIKE THE MIXED USE PROJECT, WHICH IS, THOSE ARE ITEMS I CAN STRICTLY REFER TO FROM OUR CODE.
HOWEVER, THE SPECIAL PROJECT AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN VARIATIONS OF DIFFERENT PDS BEING PROPOSED CAN VARY SIGNIFICANTLY.
UH, THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I THOUGHT QUITE FRANKLY, BUT I WANNA GO FURTHER BECAUSE IN THIS CASE REPORT IT TALKS ABOUT BENEFITS AND IT SAYS, WELL THIS SPECIAL PROJECT BENEFITS BY A HUNDRED THOUSAND I THINK.
YEAH, 1,001 THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, UH, OPEN SPACE.
WELL THAT'S ONLY 10% OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A GIANT BENEFIT.
IT SAYS IT BENEFITS IT BY HAVING UM, UH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE, WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONES THAT IT SAID, OH, IT BENEFITS IT BY HAVING EV CHARGING? WELL WE'RE DOING THAT BY CODE TODAY, SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A BIG BENEFIT.
AND IT SAYS IT BENEFITS BY HAVING 15,000 SQUARE FEET OUT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL.
WELL, ISN'T THAT MIXED USE? I MEAN THAT'S KIND OF PRETTY STANDARD.
SO I GUESS I DON'T SEE WHAT'S SO SPECIAL ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND I WAS WONDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU DID TO GIVE VARIANCES AND ONE OTHER QUESTION.
WHY IS THIS THING FOR THE 20 FEET INSTEAD OF OUR NORMAL 12 FEET ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? SO WHAT YOU ARE SEEING ARE VARIATIONS TO OUR BASE CODE AND ALL THOSE VARIATIONS ARE HIGHLY ENCOURAGED AND ALLOWED IN PDSS AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WELL OVER A THOUSAND PDS NOW AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL BRING WHATEVER VARIATIONS THEY WANT.
WE HAVE HAD A MULTITUDE THAT HAVE BROUGHT A VARIETY OF, UH, DIFFERENT, UM, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? THESE MECHANICALS THEY DESCRIBED.
THEY'LL REDEFINE WHAT MECHANICALS ARE.
THEY'LL REDEFINE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO GO ABOVE THE HEIGHT THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR, UM, CLARITY, I WOULD SAY TO CONSIDER THE OVERALL HEIGHT TO BE WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED PLUS THOSE MECHANICALS.
AND SO IT'S 75 FEET ABOVE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR THE DISTRICT AS IT STANDS.
AND THAT'S JUST TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THE REQUEST IS.
HOWEVER YOU CAN LOOK TO OUR BASE CODE THEN AND SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER ITEMS THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED, UM, AT 12 FEET ACCORDING TO THE CODE.
SO YOU MAY HAVE TO SUBTRACT THAT AND SEE THAT THE DIFFERENCE IS EIGHT FEET.
LASTLY, ONE OTHER THING, THE FOUR AREA PLANS THAT YOU REFERENCED IN YOUR CASE REPORT, THE TWO STEMMONS ONE, THE 360 DOWNTOWN, AND THE UH, TRINITY ONE.
AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THIS.
ISN'T IT CORRECT THAT EACH ONE OF THOSE REFERENCES HAVING RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA AND EVEN TO THE POINT THAT THE STEMMONS CORRIDOR RECOMMENDS 55% OF ANY DEVELOPMENT BEING RESIDENTIAL, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? AND THE TRINITY ONE REC RECOMMENDS 25% RESIDENTIAL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? MS. MUNOZ, ONE CLARIFICATION ON PAGE 8 56, IT SAYS THAT IF, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING, I KNOW IN YOUR BRIEFING I THINK YOU WERE REFERENCING THE 81 TO 100%, UM, LEVEL MM-HMM.
IS THAT NOT CORRECT? UH, OH, LET ME CHECK.
PAGE EIGHT DASH 56, IT'S THE AGREEMENT IS TO PROVIDE 5% OF THEIR UNITS MADE TO BE AVAILABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING BETWEEN 61 AND 80%.
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PD AND THAT WAS NOT WHAT WAS IN THE BRIEFING.
AND IT IS, UH, NOT A PART OF A BOX, THEREFORE THEY HAVE AGREED TO THAT.
SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
AND UH, MOVING ON TO LANDSCAPING, ISN'T IT PROVIDED IN THE BASE PD 6 21 THAT AN APPLICANT THAT CANNOT PROVIDE
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ALL OF ITS TREES CAN PAY, UH, FOR THE VALUE OF 50% OF THOSE TREES INTO THE UM, OPEN FUND, OPEN SPACE FUND? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.BUT THIS, UH, THE WAY THIS PD IS WRITTEN, THEY WILL BE PROVIDING MORE THAN THOSE MORE THAN THAT.
SO THEY WOULD BE ENTITLED TO A BIGGER EXCEPTION THROUGH THE STRAIGHT UNDERLYING ZONING PD 6 21.
UM, DID I NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT MORE CLOSELY, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S ACTUALLY A BIGGER, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S A BIGGER EXCEPTION? I'M SORRY.
YEAH, I'M SAYING YEAH, BECAUSE THE WAY 6 21 IS WRITTEN, IF YOU CAN'T, THE WAY I READ IT, IF YOU CAN'T, UM, IF THE APPLICANT CANNOT PROVIDE ALL OF THE TREES, THEY CAN PAY, UH, THEY CAN PAY FOR AS MANY, THEY COULD REDUCE IT AS MUCH AS 50% JUST BY PAYING FOR THE VALUE OF THOSE TREES INTO AN OPEN FUND.
AND IN MY REPORT, I GAVE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS SITE.
AND SO I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS MORE THAN THE 50%, BUT I MEAN, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND JUST LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK.
I THINK THAT WAS ONE REASON FOR THE, UH, REVISION THAT MADE THE REQUIREMENT TO TO BE A MINIMUM OF 25 TREES REGARDLESS OF THE CALIPERS TO PUT THAT OVER THE 50% THRESHOLD.
AND ISN'T ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS SIDE AS FAR AS PLANTING THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF TREES? THE, THE PROBLEMS WITH THE UTILITY LINES ON MARKET CENTER AND IRVING BOULEVARD, THAT MIGHT BE TRUE FOR THE TREES THAT ARE FRONTING ALONG THE PERIMETER.
RIGHT? BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SITE TREES FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE TREE TO 7,500 SQUARE FEET OF AREA.
THAT IS THE BIG REDUCTION WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PROPERTY.
AND SOMETHING THAT LIKELY SHOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGED CONSIDERING THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAN FOR IT RIGHT NOW.
BUT THE NUMBER OF TREES BEING PLANTED EXCEEDS THE, THE 50% THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UM, HAVE PROVIDED UNDER THE, THE BASE 6 21 PD IF THEY DO PAY INTO IT.
AND THEN THEY DID REWRITE THE PROVISION.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT CLOSELY BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THOSE SITE TREES, UM, FROM BEING ABLE TO HAVE DIRECT OR DETERMINATION ON WHETHER THOSE TREES ARE REQUIRED ON THE BUILDING SITE.
SO B, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO ONE 12 B SIX.
UM, LET'S, LET ME JUST GO BACK TO THAT SECTION REAL QUICK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT CERTAINLY.
BUT THE ARBORIST HAS GENERALLY APPROVED THIS PLAN, IS THAT NOT CORRECT THERE? WELL, THERE'S NO PLAN, BUT YES.
THE TEXT, WELL, THE, THE, YES.
SO B SIX IS THE PROVISION THAT THEY WOULD PAY INTO THE OPEN SPACE.
SO THEY WILL NOT PAY INTO THE OPEN SPACE FUND BASED OFF OF THIS EXCEPTION FOR THOSE TREES THAT THEY'RE REFUSING TO PUT IN.
BUT, UM, UM, NO, MY POINT WAS THAT THE BASE PD ALLOWS FOR SOMEONE TO PAY FOR 50% OF THE, THE VALUE OF THOSE TREES INTO THAT FUND.
UM, BACK TO THE, UH, THE CREATION OF THE SUBDISTRICTS IN THE PD, IT SAYS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD ENCOURAGE RESIDENTIAL RETAIL OFFICE AND LODGING USES IN COMPATIBLE COMBINATIONS.
UM, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS TO BE A, A COMPATIBLE COMBINATION OF USES? I I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THEY PROPOSED THE HUGE LIST OF USES.
I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY COULD CREATE A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE IN NATURE.
BUT THE PD DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT THE COMBINATION OF USES INCLUDE A RESIDENTIAL USE? NO, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE IT, IT DOES INCENTIVIZE IT.
AND THE PARKING REDUCTION THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR IS A REDUCTION IN THE THE, UM, IN FOR THE OFFICE USE? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, I'M HOPING THIS, THIS WILL BE PRETTY QUICK.
THAT PROVISION ADDRESSING THE FEE IN LIEU MS. MUNOZ IS IDENTICAL TO A PROVISION IN A CASE THAT WE SAW AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, RIGHT? YES.
SO EVERYTHING THAT WE DISCUSSED AT THAT PREVIOUS MEETING REGARDING THAT PROVISION APPLIES TO THIS ONE EQUALLY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
THAT'LL SHORT CIRCUIT THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING OR WE ARE RIGHT.
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MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS ONLY USES THE BUILDINGS WITH RESIDENTIAL TO CALCULATE THE FEE IN LIEU.IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING AT THIS TIME? YES.
WHEN YOU SAY AT THIS TIME, ARE, IS THERE SOME MOVEMENT TO CHANGE THAT? NO, THAT'S JUST MY UNDERSTANDING TODAY.
SHE SAID IT WAS, THERE IS NOT NO FOLLOW UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL NOW HEAD BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA.
IF YOU NEED A COPY OF THE AGENDA, WE HAVE SOME DOWN HERE AT THE TABLE.
AND ALSO WHILE YOU'RE DOWN THERE, THERE'S THESE LITTLE YELLOW CARDS THERE.
WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A RECORD OF YOUR VISIT WITH US.
UH, PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TONIGHT, TODAY AT SOME POINT AND MAKE SURE YOU FEEL ONE OF THESE OUT AND YOU CAN JUST LEAVE 'EM RIGHT THERE ON THE TABLE.
COMMISSIONERS WILL HEAD RIGHT TO THE
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MINUTES OF OUR SEPTEMBER 7TH MEETING.UH, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2023 CITY PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING HAS SUBMITTED.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER TROY, WAIT FOR YOUR SECOND TO, UH, ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS SUBMITTED.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, MS. MORMAN, GOOD
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AFTERNOON.SO THERE ARE TWO MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS ON CONSENT AGENDA.
THE FIRST ONE IS M 2 23 DASH 16, AN APPLICATION FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1505 AND A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR PRIVATE SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONE TRACT F WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 1 73.
GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FRANKFURT ROAD AND HILLCREST ROAD.
SECOND ITEM IS M 2 23 DASH OH THREE T OH THREE TWO.
AN APPLICATION REQUESTING RELIEF FROM THE STREET FACING FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ALONG MCKEES STREET AND GOUL STREET PER THE SITE PLAN ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT TWO WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER THREE 17, THE CEDARS AREA SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GOUL STREET AND MCKEES STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEMS NUMBER ONE OR TWO COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE ITEMS? SCENE NONE.
COMMISSIONER RUBIN, DO YOU HAVE MOTION SIR? YES, I DO.
MR. CHAIR, FOR THE UH, CONSENT AGENDA FOR MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW UP STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROOM FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOU A SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS MORNING.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE UH, ZONING CONSENT AGENDA CASES, UH, WILL BE NOW TAKEN UP INDIVIDUALLY THAT HAVE ALL COME OFF CONSENT.
WE'LL BEGIN WITH CASE NUMBER THREE Z 2 2 2 77.
Z 2 1 2 2 77 IS AN APPLICATION FOR AN AMENDMENT TO AND A RENEWAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 1 8 1 7 FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL AND OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 7.5, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT LOCATED ON THE NORTH LINE OF BURTON ROAD BETWEEN LEROY ROAD AND CHEYENNE ROAD STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FOR ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR PERIODS SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
ROB BALDMAN 3 9 0 4 EL STREET, SUITE B IN DALLAS, UH, AT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST WEEK, UH, AS SHE CAME UP WITH SOME DRAINAGE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY.
UH, SO WE'VE AGREED TO HOLD THIS CASE IN ORDER TO HAVE ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING TO ADDRESS DRAINAGE.
UH, AND TO TALK ABOUT SCHOOL ON SATURDAYS.
UH, THE SCHOOL TWICE A WEEK, I MEAN, TWICE A MONTH HAS SATURDAY CLASSES FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED EXTRA HELP OR HAVE ATTENDANCE ISSUES.
SO THEY DON'T HAVE IT EVERY WEEK, BUT THEY, THEY DO NEED TO HAVE, UH, CLASSES ON CERTAIN SATURDAYS.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THIS IN GREATER DETAIL ONCE WE HAVE, UH, DRAINAGE WORKED OUT.
THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MR. BALDWIN.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM?
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COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.COMMISSIONER RU DO YOU HAVE MOTION? YES.
YEAH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 2 77, I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OCTOBER 19TH OF THIS YEAR.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RUBIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT FOR YOUR SET.
SECOND TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OCTOBER 19TH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
I WASN'T SURE IF WE WERE SKIPPING OUT BACK.
ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS Z 2 2 3 1 9 4.
AN APPLICATION FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY ZONED IN A A AGRICULTURE DISTRICT ON THE SOUTH LINE OF CEDAR DALE ROAD, WEST OF CLEVELAND ROAD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS IN SUPPORT OF THIS ITEM? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
I'M THE, UH, CITING SPECIALIST FOR ENCORE AND I'M THE APPLICANT FOR THIS.
SO IF YOU'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, IF NOT, I'LL JUST SIT BACK AND BE HERE FOR YOU, AVAILABLE FOR YOU GUYS.
UH, ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON OR AGAINST THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMPSON? COMMISSIONER STANDARD SINCE YOU CAME DOWN HERE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO Y'ALL EVER SCREEN THESE THINGS WITH SHRUBS OR ANYTHING, THESE SUBSTATIONS?
UM, LANDSCAPING'S DIFFICULT FOR US JUST BECAUSE OF THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY.
UM, TREES DON'T MIX WELL WITH POWER LINES, SO WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO USE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMPSON? COMMISSIONER HERBERT? YES.
UM, HOW, OKAY, SO I'VE, I'VE SEEN YOUR POWER LINES AROUND THE CITY, NORTHERN, SOUTHERN, WESTERN EASTERN TRAILS, NOT TRAILS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
UM, MY RESIDENCES IN THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF TOWN HAVE COMPLAINTS THAT THE ENCORE FACILITIES HAVE NOT BEEN MAINTAINED, UM, SPECIFICALLY ENTRANCES TO THEM.
UM, COULD BE ON THE STREET, ALTHOUGH IT'S FURTHER OUT, THOSE ENTRANCES ARE FALLING APART.
UM, COULD YOU ENSURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE LOOKED AT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD IN, UM, YOUR REQUESTS COMING TOWARDS US? YEAH, AND SO WE, UM, WE HAVE A, WHAT WE CALL AN, UH, AREA MANAGER PROGRAM ESSENTIALLY.
SO EACH CITY, UH, DALLAS HAS PROBABLY MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE OF THEM ACTUALLY JUST 'CAUSE OF THE SIZE.
ANY, ANY, UM, COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES LIKE THAT WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH OUR DISTRICT? WE DO HAVE A, A LOT OF PROPERTY, SO A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE JUST MAY NOT BE, UH, AWARE THAT THAT'S AN ISSUE.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REACH OUT TO THE, TO THAT PROGRAM.
I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU SO I CAN GET INFORMATION ON THAT.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAMPSON? ALRIGHT, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF CASES Z 2 23 DASH 1 94, I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLANNING CONDITIONS.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
ANY OPPOSED? NAY? THE MOTION CARRIES.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE Z TWO 12 OH, WHAT AM I DOING? JUST A SECOND.
UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE Z 2 23 1 97 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY AND A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE.
3,500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS USE ON PROPERTY WITHIN A CR COMMUNITY RETAIL DISTRICT WITH A D LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF LAKE GENN ROAD, EAST OF NORTH ST.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SIP PLAN AND CONDITIONS AND APPROVAL OF A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.
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THANK YOU DR.UM, IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I SEE THAT WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP ONLINE.
IS, IS THAT SPEAKER ONLINE? NOT ONLINE.
IF YOU'RE HERE, CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR MIC? GOT IT.
I'M GINA CANNON WITH ALL TEXT PERMITS FROM ARLINGTON, TEXAS, FORMALLY WITH THE TEXAS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE COMMISSION.
I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MR. MAKIA MITCHELL, WHO HAS MADE THIS APPLICATION.
WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, HE WISHES TO HAVE A TO-GO ONLY RESTAURANT AT THIS FACILITY THAT ALSO SERVES BEER AND WINE ONLY TO GO, UH, AND DO EVERYTHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH T A B C RULES AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
HE HAS SEVERAL RESTAURANTS IN THE DALLAS-FORT WORTH AREA THAT I HAVE ASSISTED HIM WITH.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE NEEDED TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR ONE SPEAKER? ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
I MOVE TO KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO OCTOBER 5TH, UH, TO HOLD THE COMMITTEE MEETING.
UM, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX Z 2 12 2 60 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL OTHER THAN AN OPENING ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R 16, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY BOUNDED BY ALTA VISTA, LANE WONDERLAND TRAIL AND NORTH HAVEN ROAD.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
CARL CROWLEY, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, REPRESENTING THE D I S D IN THIS REQUEST.
THIS IS A WITHERS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, WHICH, UM, IF LEE KLEINMAN WERE HERE.
HE ACTUALLY IS A GRADUATE OF WITHERS AND WANTED TO ACTUALLY BE HERE, BUT HE'S OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
UM, THIS, UH, SCHOOL IS, UH, GETTING AN ADDITION, UH, ACTUALLY SORT OF TWO ADDITION, THREE ADDITIONS, UH, A CLASSROOM WING, UH, ALONG PARALLEL TO WONDERLAND.
UM, A, UM, ADDITION TO THE CAFETERIA KITCHEN AREA SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A, A, A FULL-SIZED KITCHEN AND A FULL-SIZE, UH, CAFETERIA AREA.
AND THEN A, UM, SECURE VESTIBULE ON THE FRONT.
I I GUESS IT CAME UP IN THE LAST, IN THE MEETING WE HAD LAST WEEK.
WE'RE ALSO PUTTING A LITTLE, UH, AREA FOR THE, UH, DAD'S CLUB SHEDS, WHICH WOULD BE UNDERNEATH THE NEW KITCHEN.
THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN WENT, THEY WERE, THEY WERE ABOUT READY TO REPAIR THEIR SHEDS THAT WEEKEND.
THEY'RE ONLY GONNA BE THERE FOR A WHILE.
SO THAT WAS THE, THE LAST EDITION THAT WE, UH, THAT ANDREA POINTED OUT TO YOU THIS MORNING.
UM, AND PART OF THIS ALSO IS A, UH, SORT OF A SLIP STREET, I'LL CALL IT, NOT A STREET, BUT A, A SORT OF AREA TO GET SOME OF THE QUEUING OFF OF THE STREET.
UM, THIS SCHOOL, AS I MENTIONED, WAS BUILT IN THE FIFTIES, SIXTIES.
IT HAD QUEUING ALL THE WAY AROUND IT.
SO NOW WE CAN BRING SOME OF THAT QUEUING OFF THE STREET.
AND THE PICKUP AND DROP OFF COMES OFF THE NEW WING, WHICH IS A CLASSROOM, UH, STORM SHELTER WING.
UM, AND THEN, UM, I THINK IN THE BRIEFING IT CAME UP ABOUT NO PARKING ON OUR SIDE OF WONDERLAND.
UH, WE HAD MENTIONED THAT, AND THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE T M P BECAUSE, UM, THAT KEEPS THAT, UH, THAT QUEUING IN THE STREET AS OPPOSED TO GETTING IN LINE, WHICH MAKES IT A DIFF VERY DANGEROUS ACROSS THAT QUEUE WITH CARS IN THERE.
AND ALSO, UH, WE'VE, UH, MOVED THE BUSES TO, UH, NORTH HAVEN SO THEY WON'T CONFLICT WITH THE OTHER.
UM, AND THEN, UH, ANDREA TALKED ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT LANDSCAPING WE'RE DOING.
UM, SOMETHING CAME UP IN THE BRIEFING I WAS LISTENING TO, THIS IS A DETENTION POND, NOT A RETENTION POND.
IT CAME UP ABOUT MAKING SURE THERE WAS AN ALGAE AND STUFF.
THE IDEA OF A DETENTION POND IS THAT WATER'S GONNA BE IN THERE, IF AT ALL, FOR MAYBE AN HOUR, AND THEN IT DRAINS OFF FAIRLY QUICKLY.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS BEING A PROBLEM.
UM, SHE ALSO TALKED ABOUT TREES INSIDE THE DETENTION POND.
ENGINEERING DOESN'T LIKE THAT TREE, JUST LIKE ELECTRICITY.
UM, TREES AND DETENTION PONDS DON'T GO TOGETHER TOO GOOD BECAUSE NOW I'VE, I'VE SORT OF, UH,
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UH, TAKEN UP SOME OF THAT ROOM FOR THE DETENTION.AND ALSO THE FACT THAT WE, WE HAVE TO HAVE BY, UH, BY CODE LOTS OF DIFFERENT CODES.
AND WE WOULD, ANYWAY, A FENCE AROUND THAT DETENTION POND, WHICH WILL BE A FOUR FOOT FICH, WHICH IS A MINERAL, AND WE CAN HAVE, AND THEN IT'LL BE AN OPEN, SORT OF WR IRON TYPE FENCE.
SO, UM, OTHERWISE, UH, MY PARTNER IS HERE ALSO, UH, KATIE, UM, LENAHAN.
SO IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU, WE'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE I'D LIKE TO SPEAK? YES.
KATIE LENAHAN, 9,400 NORTH CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY.
JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR THIS CASE TODAY.
WE'D LIKE TO THANK COMMISSIONER STAND FOR COMING OUT AND HAVING, ACTUALLY ATTENDING Q TWO COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH US ON THIS ONE, ALONG WITH DR.
RE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO ATTEND OUR MEETING AS WELL.
OUR PRINCIPAL IS ON THE LINE, PRINCIPAL MILLER.
SO WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE TODAY.
AND I THINK SOME OF HER PARENTS ARE REGISTERED TO SPEAK AS WELL.
HI, SETH PLUNK, UH, 1 1 2 0 8 CINDERELLA LANE.
FIRST, I WANNA APPRECIATE THANK YOU FOR THE TIME GIVING ME MY THREE MINUTES.
I PROBABLY WON'T, UH, NEED IT.
WANTED TO THANK THE COMMISSIONER FOR COMING OUT LAST WEEK AND TALKING TO US, UH, ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THIS MEANS A LOT TO US AND TO OUR COMMUNITY.
LIKE, UH, SHE SAID PRINCIPAL MILLER'S ON SO IS, UH, ASHLEY, SOME OF THE PARENTS.
SO I'M, UM, THE CHAIR OF THE, UM, SS B D M COMMITTEE THERE AT, UH, WHERE THERE'S SITE-BASED DECISION MAKING TO WHERE THE COMMUNITY AND THE PARENTS AND THE TEACHERS ALL PARTNER WITH PRINCIPAL MILLER TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE, UH, INVESTMENT DECISIONS FOR THE SCHOOL.
IT'S, UH, SOMETHING, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR, FOR THREE YEARS, WHICH IS WHY I AM, UH, HERE TRYING TO GET THIS OVER THE FINISH LINE.
UM, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR APPROVAL.
SO I'M, I'M, I'M HOPEFUL THAT, THAT EVERYTHING'S GONNA GO THROUGH FOR THIS ONE OF THE THREE GATES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT THE BENEFITS, UH, TO OUR SCHOOL THAT THIS WILL BRING.
SO AS, AS MENTIONED, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING RID OF EIGHT PORTABLES AND WE'RE ADDING 10 CLASSROOMS THAT WILL ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CAPACITY, WHICH WAS, UH, BROUGHT UP IN THE STAFF IN THE STAFF MEETING THIS MORNING.
BUT FROM A SAFETY CONCERN, RIGHT? LIKE, LIKE SHE MENTIONED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TORNADO SHELTER THERE, RIGHT? IN 2019, LITERALLY HALF A MILE DOWN FROM MY HOUSE AT WALNUT HILL, WALNUT HILL ELEMENTARY WAS TAKING OUT PORTABLES OR NOT.
THIS IS ABOUT MAKING OUR CHILDREN.
BOTH OF MY CHILDREN CAME THROUGH.
WHETHER THIS BECAME IMPORTANT TO ME WAS MY FIRST SECOND GRADER WAS IN THOSE PORTABLES.
AND NOW MY SECOND, SECOND GRADER IS GOING THROUGH THOSE PORTABLES.
WE TRY TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN FROM A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT I KNOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS HERE.
THIS WILL IMPROVE NOT ONLY FROM A TORNADO STANDPOINT, BUT FROM A, AN ARMED SHOOTER STANDPOINT.
YOU KNOW, PLEASE BE THE GOD THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.
BEYOND THAT, THIS IS A BETTERMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE ARE, UH, I MOVED TO THE DISNEY STREETS IN 20 11, 2 YEARS BEFORE I EVER HAD A CHILD.
WHY DID I MOVE THERE? BECAUSE OF WITHERS THAT SCHOOL.
I'M IN PRIVATE SCHOOL CENTRAL.
I'M ACROSS THE STREET FROM GOOD SHEPHERD, ST.
READER, LAMPLIGHTER, HOCKADAY, ALL FANTASTIC SCHOOLS.
BUT WE ARE THE PARENTS THERE THAT ARE TRYING TO IMPLORE THE PEOPLE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO SEND THEIR PARENTS, THEIR KIDS DOWN TO, DOWN TO WITHERS.
WHENEVER WE SHOWCASE WITHERS AND WE HAVE PORTABLES OUT THERE AND THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT I MENTIONED, IT MAKES IT A HARD SELL FOR US.
SO, YOU KNOW, I ASKED WHENEVER WE WERE IN THERE, WHY I WAS IN THIS MEETING TWO YEARS AGO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE ARCHITECT PLANS.
TWO YEARS LATER WE'RE HEARING THE SAME STORY.
WE'RE SEEING THE ARCHITECT PLANS.
WHY HAS G***H AND WHY HAS DE GORE STARTED ON THEIRS? BUT YET WE ARE STILL, WE ARE STILL HERE TODAY.
THE ANSWER THAT I GOT WAS, THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PLACES, RIGHT? THERE'S THE, THE, THE PERMIT, THE ZONING, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY, AND THE ENGINEERING.
SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GET US THROUGH THESE THREE, THROUGH THESE THREE GATES.
MY CHILDREN WON'T BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THIS, BUT EVEN IF WE CAN JUST GET THROUGH ONE OF THOSE GATES, THE OTHER CHILDREN WILL THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, WE'LL GO TO OUR TWO SPEAKERS ONLINE.
HEY, HOW ARE YOU? UH, WENDY MILLER, 39 59 NORTH HAVEN.
AND I JUST COME TODAY TO, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR OUR BELOVED WITHERS ELEMENTARY.
UM, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS JUST IT, WE'RE A BEACON OF LEARNING AND GROWTH FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
AND, BUT OUR BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1961, SO WE DO NEED AN UPLIFT AND WE DO NEED SOME UPGRADES.
SO THIS PROPOSED PO UH PROJECT FOCUSES ON SEVERAL OF OUR KEY AREAS THAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY BENEFIT OUR STUDENTS, OUR TEACHERS, AND OUR ENTIRE, OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT AIMS TO INCREASE
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OUR SECURITY WITH THE SCHOOL PREMISES.IN THIS RAPIDLY CHANGING WORLD, IT'S CRUCIAL THAT OUR STUDENTS HAVE A SAFE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT TO LEARN AND THRIVE IN.
WITH THE UPGRADED SECURITY SYSTEMS AND PROTOCOLS, WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH THIS PEACE OF MIND THAT THEY DESERVE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROJECT SEE SEEKS TO ADDRESS OUR CLASSROOMS. CURRENTLY, WE ARE AT MAX CAPACITY.
AND SO WITH THE NEW ADDITION, WE WILL RECEIVE OUR 10 NEW CLASSROOMS WITH ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS FOR OUR STUDENTS.
THEY WILL HAVE ACCESS TO A LEARNING ENVIRONMENT THAT IS CONDUCIVE TO PHENOMENAL EDUCATION.
FURTHERMORE, THE PRO, THE PROPOSED UPGRADES WILL GREATLY ENHANCE THE
NO ONE WANTS TO DRIVE UP AND SEE PORTABLES THAT PROBABLY ARE 12 TO 15 YEARS OLD.
BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STAYING TRUE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS IT WILL, WE WILL BE A BETTER COMMUNITY PARTNER.
SO, PARKING HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHALLENGE AT THE SCHOOL.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE PARKING LOT, SO MANY OF THE STAFF AND PARENTS PARK ALONG THE SURROUNDING STREETS AND IN NORTH HAVEN PARK.
WITH THE NEW ADDITION, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A NEW PARKING AREA THAT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS SO THAT WE DO NOT IMPEDE ON THE PARKING AREA WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.
LASTLY, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOL.
LIKE MANY D I S D SCHOOLS, WE HAVE, WE ONLY HAVE ONE BUS.
90% OF OUR STUDENTS ARE FROM THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT BY THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE AND, UM, WONDERFUL SCHOOL FOR OUR KIDDOS.
YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM FOR YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MS. ROMO.
I LIVE AT 3 7 4 7 PRINCESS LANE IN DALLAS.
I HAVE THREE KIDS WHO HAVE ATTENDED OR ARE ATTENDING WITHERS.
UM, I'VE DONE EVERYTHING FROM STEPPING NEWSLETTER FOLDERS, HOMEROOM, MOM COORDINATING AUCTION TO P T A PRESIDENT AND I ALSO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, WITHERS DESPERATELY NEEDS THIS RENOVATION AND ADDITION.
ENROLLMENT IS CONSISTENTLY AT OR ABOVE CAPACITY, AND WE NEED THE ROOM.
I'M GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HAMMER THIS POINT HOME.
UM, THE PORTABLE TEACHERS AND STUDENTS DESERVE TO BE CONNECTED TO THE ACTUAL CAMPUS TO INCREASE THEIR LEARNING, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL ENJOY AN UPDATED BUILDING WITH A NEW WING.
THE RENOVATION WILL REMOVE THE PORTABLES, WHICH IS THE EYESORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU'VE HEARD ON ALT VISTA AND WONDERLAND TRAIL.
UM, THE RENOVATION, LIKE SETH MENTIONED, IS ALSO NEEDED FOR RECRUITMENT.
WE RESIDE IN THE PRIVATE SCHOOL CORRIDOR OF DALLAS.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SCHOOLS HE MENTIONED URSULINE, JESUIT, ST.
MARK'S, HOCKADAY, GRACE GREENHILL, THEY'RE ALL WITHIN A HOPPING DISTANCE FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, AND WE'RE ALSO COMPETING AGAINST AREA D I S D SCHOOLS WHO HAVE ALL GOTTEN THROUGH BUILDINGS, DE GOYER, PRESTONWOOD MONTESSORI, WALNUT HILL LEADERSHIP ACADEMY.
SO WITHERS DEFINITELY NEEDS THIS.
UM, JUST LIKE SETH, MY FAMILY MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO TO WITHERS AND OBVIOUSLY IT'LL INCREASE OUR PROPERTY VALUE.
UM, SECURITY IS ALSO EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
I CURRENTLY HAVE TWO KIDS IN THE PORTABLES.
THE ENCLOSED WING WILL CONNECT TO OUR EXISTING BUILDING AND ALSO ACT AS A STORM SHELTER.
SO IT'LL PROVIDE SAFETY FOR ALL STUDENTS AND STAFF ON CAMPUS, NOT JUST THE NEW WING.
UM, AND THEN, LIKE MRS. MILLER SAID, THE PARKING ON CAMPUS WILL GET CARS OFF THE STREET.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
UM, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY FUNCTIONING WINDOWS, AC UNIT ROOF, IT'S ALL NEEDED FOR OUR 460 PLUS STUDENTS AND STAFF.
SO ALL IN ALL, I BELIEVE THIS RENOVATION WILL BE TRANSFORMING FOR OUR STUDENTS AND STAFF.
AND A GREAT ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, PLEASE.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP THE, UM, RETENTION VERSUS DETENTION POND.
I'M VERY AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCE OF THE TWO COMING FROM LOUISIANA.
WE HAVE LARGE SPILLWAYS THAT ARE CONSIDERED, UH, VERY DRY AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, HAVE YOUR ENGINEERS CONSIDERED THE THINGS THAT OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE DOING AND, AND PROTECTING DETENTION? THE WATER IN THE DETENTION POND, UM, WHETHER THAT'S RESTORING HABITAT, PLANTING TREES AROUND THAT AREA.
HAS THE SCHOOLS DE THOUGHT ABOUT USING THAT AREA WHEN THE AREA IS DRY FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, SCIENCE PURPOSES, SO ON AND SO FORTH.
I JUST WANT US TO CONSIDER OUR DETENTION AND RETENTION PONDS, ESPECIALLY ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES AND ESPECIALLY IN LOVELY NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE THESE SO THEY CAN BE ATTRACTIVE AND NOT JUST MOSQUITO PITCH FOR THE STAFF.
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I, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THERE, BUT, BUT WE ARE PLANTING TREES AROUND THE PERIMETER OF IT.UM, UM, WE WOULD'VE LOVED TO PLANTED 'EM INSIDE, BUT, BUT THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE.
BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY, UM, WE, WE WILL MAINTAIN THEM AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT, UH, MOSQUITO PITS.
'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S TO THE DETRIMENT OF OUR, OF OUR, UH, STUDENTS AND STUFF ABOUT USING IT FOR, UM, FOR OTHER ACTIVITIES.
I, I, TO BE HONEST, I DON'T KNOW IF THE DIS IF THE CITY WOULD ALLOW US TO DO THAT.
UM, BUT I GUESS WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.
I, I KNOW I'LL JUST PICK A SCHOOL THAT Y'ALL LOOKED AT A FEW WEEKS AGO.
SEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL, OBVIOUSLY, UH, THAT IS A DIFFERENT SITUATION.
UM, AND VERSUS IT, IT'S GOT WATER IN IT PROBABLY YEAR ROUND.
UM, AND AND WE ARE USING THAT FOR, THAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE ACADEMY USED TO BE ONE OF THEM.
AND I GUESS THEY STILL DO SOME LEARNING IN THAT AND THAT THAT POND IS ACTUALLY USED FOR THOSE SITUATIONS.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS PROBABLY HOPEFULLY BE DRY 360 PLUS DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR, UM, AND JUST BE A GRASS AND THEY'LL HAVE A, A CONCRETE FLUE IN IT USUALLY THAT THEN FEEDS INTO THE PIPE.
SO, UM, THAT'S, YOU WERE LIVING HERE IN APRIL AND MAY OF THIS YEAR, RIGHT? IT WAS A LOT OF, YEAH.
AND, AND, AND LIKE I SAY, IT, IT, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE DRY EXCEPT FOR THOSE, UH, EVENTS WHERE IT'S HOLDING IT AND THEN DISCHARGING IT AND DISCHARGE IS USUALLY PROBABLY AN HOUR OR TWO.
AND EVEN IN DISCHARGE, HAVE OUR ENGINEERS CONSIDERED HOW WE CLEAN THAT WATER BEFORE WE DISCHARGE? WELL, AND, AND THAT'S THE FORTUNATE THING IS WITH IT BEING A GRASS LINE SITUATION, IS THAT IT SORT OF IN, IN A SENSE, UH, WORKS AS A BIO SWELL TO, TO FILTER THAT WATER IN THAT SENSE AS IT BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE FLU.
SO, UM, IT'S OBVI IT'S, IT'S A MUCH IMPROVED SITUATION THAN THE STREETS MIGHT BE WHERE IT IS CARTING THAT OFF THE STREET.
SO IN A SENSE, IT, IT DOES BY, BY NATURE IN THAT SENSE, HELPING THAT STORM WATER, UM, CLEANING STUFF.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, CAN YOU SEND ME THE ENGINEER'S INFORMATION? 'CAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING IN THAT AREA.
UH, YES, MR. DID YOU, SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT.
UM, THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION.
IN TERMS OF LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES AT CAMPUSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, MR. CARLY MENTIONED SEVILLE HIGH SCHOOL, SO WE'RE WORKING TO CLEAN UPON THERE AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
WE DO WANNA FENCE THEM AND KEEP OUR KIDDOS OUT OF THOSE FOR SAFETY REASONS.
UH, BUT DEFINITELY THE DISTRICT, WE HAVE A SCIENCE AND STEM DEPARTMENT THAT LOOKS AT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOW OUR STUDENTS CAN LEARN IN, IN NATURE AND WE CAN DEFINITELY SHARE MORE INFORMATION ON FOR YOU IN THE FUTURE.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROVIDE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT? YES.
SO WHERE THE POND, WHERE THE RETENTION AREA IS GOING TO BE LOCATED, IT WILL NOT IMPEDE ON ANY OF THE PLAY AREA FOR THE STUDENTS.
WE DO HAVE AN, A VERY LARGE OPEN FIELD.
AND SO THE STUDENTS WILL HAVE THAT AREA.
AND WE ALSO HAVE AN ACTUAL GARDEN POND, WHICH WILL BE LOCATED ON THE INTERIOR OF THE TWO CONNECTION OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO CONNECT.
AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE A GARDEN AREA PLANNED FOR THE STUDENTS AS WELL.
SO WHERE WOULD, WHERE IT'S PLACED CURRENTLY ON THE PLANS WILL NOT IMPEDE PART OF THAT AREA.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, MR. CROWLEY, WITH RESPECT TO THE USE OF DETENTION POND AREAS, LET ME REFER YOU TO A COUPLE OF, UH, EXAMPLES.
IN DISTRICT NINE, THE OJEDA HOLDINGS OF MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON THE OLD SHORELINE CHURCH SITE USES THEIR DETENTION POND FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES WHEN IT'S NOT NEEDED TO BE CLOSED OFF FOR STORM STORMWATER PURPOSES.
AND THE PD AT, UH, HIGHLAND AND BARBEE SINGLE FAMILY PD HAS DETENTION PONDS UP FRONT THAT HAVE A VERY SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF TREES PLANTED IN THE MIDDLE OF THEM.
IT IS POSSIBLE THE CITY WILL APPROVE IT.
YOU JUST HAVE TO ENGINEER IT SO THAT, UH, THE AREA TAKE OR THE VOLUME TAKEN UP BY THOSE TREES IS NOT COUNTED TOWARD YOUR DETENTION REQUIREMENT.
I'LL, I'LL BRING THAT UP BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE POSED THAT QUESTION AND ANDREA WAS IN THE EMAIL CHAIN, WE POSE IT TO ENGINEERING AND ENGINEERING SAID, NO, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT ANYMORE.
WELL, THEY'RE ALLOWING IT AT HIGHLAND AND BARB.
YEAH, BECAUSE IF IF NOTHING ELSE, IF I PLANTED THE TREES INSIDE, THAT GIVES ME MORE PLACE SPACE ON THE OUTSIDE, OBVIOUSLY.
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PLACE SPACE IS A PREMIUM FOR, FOR CHILDREN.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR THE, ARE ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF C AND NONE? COMMISSIONER SAND, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, I DO.
UH, AND I HAVE COMMENTS AFTERWARDS.
UH, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 12 2 60, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, JUST ON CLARIFICATION, UH, WAS, IS THAT AS BRIEFED? I THINK IT STAFF BRIEFED IT A BIT DIFFERENT AS BRIEFED.
COMMISSIONER STA THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER HOUSE, RIGHT FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK D I S D AND WORKING ON THIS PROJECT AND THE MANY OTHER SCHOOLS THAT WE'VE WORKED ON WITH THE 2020 BOND MONIES.
YOU HAVE BEEN SO PROFESSIONAL AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU'VE DONE ON BEHALF OF THE DALLAS D I S D SCHOOLS.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH YOU'VE BEEN HANDLING IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I WANNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE PARENTS AT WITHERS.
THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF HOW PUBLIC SCHOOLS CAN MAKE SUCH A DIFFERENCE.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES THE PUBLIC SCHOOL, BUT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL MAKES THE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING LAST WEEK, THIS WAS TRULY A COMMUNITY.
I MEAN, IT WAS A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE, 65 TO 75 PARENTS.
THEY WERE AWARE OF EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THAT SCHOOL.
THEY WERE ARTICULATE ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY HAD KEPT UP WITH THE WHOLE PLANNING PROCEDURE.
AND WE NEED TO SEE MORE OF THIS BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ATTRACT PEOPLE TO DALLAS.
AND THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GONNA DO THAT IS TO STRENGTHEN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, WHICH IS PARTIALLY BY UPGRADING THE FACILITIES.
YES, WE NEED TO UPGRADE THE EDUCATION THAT WE'RE GIVING, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO GET RID OF THESE PORTABLES, WHICH WE'RE DOING, HAVE DECENT KITCHENS FOR OUR CAFETERIAS THAT CAN PREPARE FOOD.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY IN AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TO HAVE THIS SECURITY FOYER RIGHT NOW, ANYBODY THAT WALKED ALONG COULD BASICALLY ALMOST JUST WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR OR BEAT IT DOWN IF THEY WANTED TO.
AND IN TODAY'S WORLD, WE DON'T WANT THAT ANYWHERE.
SO THE FACT THAT IT IS GOING TO BE SO SECURE THAT YOU FIRST HAVE TO ENTER INTO A COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, GLASS AND SEMI BULLETPROOF KIND OF FOYER, YOU'VE GOTTA GET PERMISSION.
YOU'RE LOOKED AT CAMERAS, THAT THIS IS MONEY WELL SPENT ON PROTECTING OUR CHILDREN.
AND I LOVE GETTING THE, UH, CARPOOLS OFF THE STREETS.
THIS IS GONNA MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN THOUGHT OF HERE AND IT'S BEEN A REAL COLLABORATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I AM PLEASED THAT THIS IS MOVING FORWARD AND I HOPE YOU CAN BREAK GROUND.
I HOPE THAT PERMITTING GOES QUICKLY, BUT I HOPE THAT I HAVE EVERYONE'S APPROVAL ON THIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER RUBIN? YEAH.
UM, JUST KUDOS TO COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR SOME REALLY GREAT WORK ON, ON THIS ITEM AS WELL AS THE, THE TEAM ON DSDS SIDE.
YOU KNOW, MR. CROWLEY AND MS. HAN, OF COURSE, I DID WANNA BRING UP SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AT OUR, OUR LAST MEETING.
UM, I THINK IT WAS A WOMAN, MS. BRIGHT CAME TO SPEAK AND HAD SOME THOUGHTS ON THAT SLIP ROAD ALONG.
AND, AND HER COMMENT WAS THAT RATHER THAN HAVE THAT SLIP ROAD BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE STREET AND THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IN HER VIEW, YOU KNOW, HAVING QUEUING ON STREET FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME TWICE A DAY WAS PREFERABLE TO THAT SLIP ROAD.
UM, I THINK WE'VE LONG HAD AN ASSUMPTION AROUND THE HORSESHOE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON STREET QUEUING IS A, UM, NO, NO, IT'S A BAD THING.
WE WANNA PRO MOVE THE QUEUING ON SITE, BUT IT DOES BRING UP, YOU KNOW, I THINK VERY VALID QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COST BENEFIT IN REDUCING PERVIOUS SURFACE ON SITE.
SO I KNOW THE CITY IS, IS THE DISTRICT IS, IS RATHER LATE IN THE BOND CYCLE.
BUT AS Y'ALL GO FORWARD WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON, ON OTHER SCHOOL SITES, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BENEFITS AND, AND POTENTIAL DRAWBACKS OF ONSITE QUEUING IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY DO TO THE, THE SITE SIGN.
BUT ANYWAY, THRILLED TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S GREAT OVERALL, BUT THAT IS A ITEM THAT I THINK MERITS FURTHER DISCUSSION.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, UH, WRIGHT JUST WANTED TO, UM, UH, CONGRATULATE, UM,
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COMMISSIONER SAND ON HER GOOD WORK.UH, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS SHE MADE.
I, I AGREE WITH HIM WHOLEHEARTEDLY ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR SCHOOLS BEING IMPORTANT TO THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, UM, I KNOW MR. CRAWLEY, UH, IS AWARE OF MY, MY, UH, UH, UH, BEING PLEASED ABOUT KEEPING THE SCHOOL AND NOT TEARING IT DOWN.
UH, I KNOW THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU HAVE TO TEAR THESE THINGS DOWN, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THAT THESE SCHOOLS BUILT IN THIS ERA ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL HERITAGE OF THIS CITY.
AND, UH, SO I'M GLAD THIS ONE'S GOING TO REMAIN STANDING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS, AND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
CARRIE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS 2 21.
LET'S TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK AND JUST A HEADS UP, UH, WE WILL HEAR CASE NUMBER 10.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE HEADING BACK INTO THE AGENDA.
WE'RE GONNA SKIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT AND, AND TAKE CASE NUMBER 10, NEXT, Z 2 2 3, 2 10.
IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR R OR ONE HALF ACRE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT USES AND MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER USES FOR CONSIDERATION FOR AN N SS, A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONED IN R ONE HALF ACRE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NUMBER 6 5 1 FOR A COLLEGE, UNIVERSITY, OR SEMINARY ON THE SOUTH, ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WALNUT STREET, EAST OF ABRAMS ROAD.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF AN N S A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
I'LL SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UH, MY NAME IS JONATHAN VINCENT, 2323 ROSS AVENUE.
AND, UM, I'M HAPPY TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY REPRESENTING THE PARKLAND HEALTH AND HOSPITAL SYSTEM.
DELANY JOHNSON, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT MARK STEWART, WHO'S THE SENIOR PROGRAM MANAGER, UM, ANGELA MORRIS AND EDNA ANO FROM COMMUNITY AFFAIRS AT PARKLAND.
AND OUR ENGINEER TOM GRANT FROM KIMLEY HORN.
UM, AGAIN, HAPPY TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.
WE ARE RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR YOU TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF OUR APPLICATION FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, UH, SOLELY TO PERMIT THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW COMMUNITY CLINIC.
UH, WE ARE ASKING TO JUST ADD ONE USE TO THE EXISTING BASE, R ONE HALF ACRE ZONING.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE S U P FOR RICHLAND COLLEGE, WHICH WE'RE NOT TOUCHING, THAT'LL REMAIN IN PLACE.
THIS LAND IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE COLLEGE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE GROUND LEASING IT TO US, AND, UM, I CAN COME BACK TO THIS IN A MINUTE, BUT THEY HAVE ASKED THAT WE PROVIDE OUR OWN PARKING, WHICH WE'RE HAPPY TO DO.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON, UH, THAT'S DRIVING THE SITE PLAN.
UH, THIS, UH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS IN THE BRIEFING, WHICH I, I THOUGHT EXCELLENT QUESTIONS.
I LISTENED TO THE WHOLE THING.
UM, ONE POINT OF INFORMATION, THE EXISTING V MEADOW CLINIC WILL REMAIN OPEN.
AND IN ADDITION TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SERVICES, THE NEED IS THAT GREAT.
I CHECKED THE, UH, US CENSUS BUREAU STATISTICS BEFORE WE STARTED THE HEARING TODAY.
AND, UH, OUR STATE, STATE OF TEXAS HAS 17% UNINSURED, NO HEALTH INSURANCE.
UM, WE RANK NUMBER ONE OR NUMBER 50, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU LOOK AT IT IN THE UNITED STATES.
SO THE NEED IS THERE FOR THIS PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEM.
AND IT'S NOT JUST HOSPITALIZATION.
THIS IS A COMMUNITY CLINIC, WHICH WILL TREAT CHRONIC CONDITIONS.
UM, PODIATRY, YOU KNOW, THAT SOUNDS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S NOT THAT BIG A DEAL.
WELL, YOU KNOW, DIABETIC NEUROPATHY, THINGS LIKE THAT, PEOPLE LOSING FEET.
THERE ARE A HOST OF THINGS THAT THIS IS REALLY THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR A POPULATION THAT REALLY NEEDS THIS HELP TO GET, UH, THIS CARE.
UM, PART OF THE STORY IS WE HAD LOOKED AT ANOTHER SITE IN NORTHEAST DALLAS PRIOR TO THIS, SPENT SOME TIME ON THAT.
UM, IT TURNED OUT THAT THAT WAS MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE WAS SOME OPPOSITION THAT CAME UP, AND WE DECIDED THAT WE SHOULD LOOK FOR ANOTHER SITE, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WE HAD, AS COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT INFORMED, YOU HAD A BIG COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, UH, WELL ATTENDED.
I GET, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 60 OR 70 STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE AREA, INCLUDING A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, NEIGHBORS.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MAGOO WAS THERE.
UH, NOW COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART WAS THERE.
UH, COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT WAS THERE, AND WE WERE VERY WELL RECEIVED.
EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE NEED FOR THIS.
OUR COMMITMENT TO THEM THAT WE EXPLICITLY PROMISED IN THAT MEETING IS THAT WE WOULD KEEP THIS SIMPLE FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT.
WE WOULD ASK FOR A PD TO ADD THE ONE USE, WHICH IS NOT NOW ALLOWED IN OUR ZONING, AS WE ALL KNOW.
AND WE WOULD LIMIT IT TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WE'VE DONE.
UM, WE ASKED FOR A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN PARKING BECAUSE THE ONE TO 200 RATIO, JUST BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AT, YOU KNOW, I THINK 16 OTHER
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COMMUNITY CLINICS IN DALLAS COUNTY.THERE'S GOOD TRANSIT ACCESS, AS MR. PEPE POINTED OUT TO YOU.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MOST OF THOSE PEOPLE.
COULD I ASK FOR ANOTHER MINUTE JUST TO WRAP UP? WE, WE DON'T GIVE OTHER EXTRA TIME, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A QUESTION OKAY.
HERE IN ABOUT 30 SECONDS TO ADD TO ABOUT WHAT YOU HAD LEFT, LEFT.
ANYWAY, APPRECIATE STAFF'S, UH, APPROVAL OF THE USE.
WE'RE OKAY WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
WE'RE ASKING FOR THE PD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE PROMISED THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WE RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR YOUR APPROVAL TODAY.
HAPPY FOR TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE HERE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? OKAY.
UH, IS, UH, CLIFF BOYD ONLINE? YES, SIR.
I AM CLIFF BOYD, 10 19 QUAIL RUN DUNCANVILLE, TEXAS.
ARE YOU READY FOR ME TO SPEAK? YES, SIR.
WE'RE READY FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
YEAH, I, UM, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL VERY MUCH.
I'M FORMER MAYOR OF DUNCANVILLE.
UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT Y'ALL HAVE IS QUITE LENGTHY COMPARED TO OURS, BUT THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.
I'M ALSO PAST CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF PARKLAND HOSPITAL.
SERVED THE HOSPITAL FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS.
I'M VERY PRIVILEGED TODAY TO BE SERVING AS A TRUSTEE FOR DALLAS COLLEGE.
UH, THIS IS A PROCESS, UM, THAT IS TRULY NEEDED BETWEEN ENTITIES THAT ARE DALLAS COUNTY TAXPAYERS ENTITIES IN WHICH WE SHARE OUR RESOURCES AND WORK TOGETHER AS GOOD PARTNERS.
AND SO I'M VERY PRIVILEGED TO HAVE BEEN A USER AND NOW A PROVIDER, UH, IN THIS TYPE PROCESS.
AND THIS IS ONLY ONE OF MANY PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY IN THE CITY, IN THE COUNTY TO SHARE RESOURCES AND TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH PARKLAND HOSPITAL IN THE FURTHERING OF EDUCATION THROUGH DALLAS COLLEGE.
AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS, UH, REQUEST.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THANK Y'ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, UH, MS. S BUTLER,
WELL, CAN, THIS IS BERNIE BUTLER.
DO YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON, MA'AM? UH, I THOUGHT I DID.
I THOUGHT THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH SOMETHING OF YOURS.
I, I CAN'T SEE MYSELF, BUT I I CAN HEAR EVERYBODY.
AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. I APPRECIATE IT.
AND I DID HAVE THE PLEASURE OF A PRIVILEGE OF LISTENING TO THE, THE CONVERSATION EARLIER.
I'VE BEEN ON SINCE ABOUT 1230, AND I WANNA BRING THIS BACK TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES, AND I DON'T KNOW, WELL, I KNOW THAT THE, THE DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE REALIZES, BUT IF THE REST, EVERYONE REALIZES THAT RICHLAND COLLEGE IS SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
MOST OF THEM VERY OLD RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.
IN FACT, I LIVE AT 1 2, 2 1 0 WHITEMAN PLACE, ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM RICHLAND.
IT IS HEAVILY USED, IT IS CONSIDERED BY MANY TO BE OUR BIG NEIGHBORHOOD OR REGIONAL PARK.
AND IT'S SOMEWHAT, UH, OF AN URBAN NATURE SPACE FOR APPROXIMATELY 2000 RESIDENTS.
AND IT'S A VERY INTEGRAL PART, UH, OF OUR COMMUNITY WITH THE BEAUTIFUL CAMPUS AND THE WALKING TRAILS.
AND WE VERY MUCH WANT TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY AND BEAUTY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE FEEL LIKE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DESIGNATION WILL HELP TO REALLY ASSURE THAT BY RESTRICTING FUTURE USES OF THIS SITE TO MEDICAL FACILITIES, AS WELL AS MAINTAINING THAT UNDERLYING, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT DESIGNATION.
WHEREAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, UH, DESIGNATION WILL ALLOW RETAIL AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD OR OTHER COMMERCIAL USES DURING THE HEARING OR THE BRIEFING SESSION.
I HEARD A NUMBER OF THE COMMISSIONERS REFER TO IT AS QUOTE, OTHER DIVERSE USES.
AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT GOT REALLY SCARY TALKING ABOUT OTHER DIVERSE USES.
UH, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THIS AS A, AGAIN, THE QUALITY NEIGHBORHOOD USE, UM, THAT WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO.
AND, AND, AND THE, AND THAT RICHLAND GIVES US, IT IS MY SENSE.
AND I THINK SOME OF THAT CAME OUT IN THE CONVERSATION THAT THOSE OTHER DIVERSE USES CAN BRING OUT SOME THINGS THAT WE, WE
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HAVE NOT THOUGHT ABOUT OR CANNOT IMAGINE.THERE WAS A BIG DISCUSSION DURING THE BRIEFING ABOUT, YEAH, PARKLAND WILL PROBABLY BE HERE, BUT WHO KNOWS? WHAT IF THEY GET A GREAT BIG SITE OF ACREAGE AND THEY BUILD A LARGE FACILITY AND THEY DECIDE TO CLOSE THIS ONE DOWN? WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT REMAINS AS, UH, MEDICAL SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOME OF THE THINGS HAPPENING THAT WE'VE SEEN ALONG FOREST LAKE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THE, THE CAR WASH THAT IS BOARDED ON TWO SIDES BY RESIDENTIAL, UH, UM, UH, COMPLEXES OR LIKE THE HUSTLER ADULT STORE.
SO WE FEEL THAT A TOTAL ELIMINATION OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT, UH, SHOULD BE MADE NO LANGUAGE WHATSOEVER.
'CAUSE THAT OPENS IT UP TO A, A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT REALLY, I THINK WILL NOT BE IN THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, THAT ARE SURROUNDING, UH, THE COLLEGE.
BUT WE FAVOR THE APPLICATION AS IT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
ONE OF THE THING AS WELL ON THAT TOO, THE, THE, THE PARKLAND REPS DID REPRESENT THAT AND ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THAT INITIAL DESIGNATION AS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE, I, I, I'M, I'M SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THAT, BUT MORE SO TO ELIMINATE ANY REFERENCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICT.
'CAUSE THAT'S JUST BRINGING IN THE
YOUR TIME IS UP FOR UNPLANNED USES.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US, MS. BUTLER.
YOU HAVE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, SIR.
YOUR SYSTEM IS, IS A LITTLE CHALLENGING.
YOU MIGHT WANNA TRY TO TOGGLE YOUR MIC ON AND OFF A COUPLE OF TIMES, SIR.
UM, UH, THIS
UH, I'M A RESIDENT OF D 10 AND I GUESS I WAS, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE WHEN PARKLAND FIRST TRIED OR WAS MOVING, TRYING TO MOVE TO D 10, UM, AT FOREST LANE.
AND I GUESS I, I WAS THERE ON JANUARY 9TH, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, AT DALLAS COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
AND I WAS VERY MUCH APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT PARKLAND WAS DOING, REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, TRYING TO GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED BEFORE THE APPLICATION WAS EVEN SUBMITTED TO, TO, TO THE CITY.
UM, AND I, I THINK THE C E O OF PARKLAND WAS THERE.
UH, THE HEAD OF PARKLAND'S, UH, FOUNDATION WAS THERE.
UM, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS, WAS THERE, AND THE PARKLAND BOARD MEMBERS WERE THERE.
THE DALLAS COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE BOARD MEMBERS WERE THERE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS ALL ABOUT JUST THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, UH, IN DOING IT THAT WAY RATHER THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ZONING.
AND I, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT, THAT, THAT BE KEPT.
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I GUESS THERE, THERE IS, THERE MIGHT BE REASONS WHY NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES COULD BE FAVORED.UH, REASONS WERE MENTIONED FROM FORD DALLAS.
UM, BUT I GUESS I'D LIKE TO POINT TO SOMETHING ELSE IN, IN THAT POLICY, UH, FOR DALLAS POLICY, I GUESS THERE'S SECTION 7.2, UM, ENCOURAGING APPLICANTS TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE ZONING APPLICATIONS ARE MADE.
UM, AND TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, AN APPLICANT HAS TO DECIDE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT WORKS FOR THEM AND WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE THIS PD WAS THE OUTCOME OF THAT.
AND I, I HOPE, UH, THE COMMISSION TODAY, UM, JUST MOVES THIS FORWARD WITH, WITH THE PD, UM, THAT HAP IN THE MEETING HAPPENED IN JANUARY.
UH, I, I THINK EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE THE CLINIC AND WANTS TO HAVE IT BY HAVING THE ZONING VIA A PD.
SO, UM, PLEASE, IF YOU, IF YOU GUYS CAN JUST PASS THIS ALONG, UH, TODAY WITH, WITH THE PD, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US COMMISSIONER'S.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT.
YOU SAID THAT THIS IS A FOUR ACRE SITE AND YOU SAID WE'RE ONLY GONNA PUT A 30,000 BUILDING, AND I NOTICE IN YOUR PD REQUEST YOU ONLY REQUESTED 25% LOT COVERAGE, WHEREAS YOU COULD HAVE, UH, REQUESTED MORE, MORE.
SO IF YOU NEED TO EXPAND OR SOMETHING, YOU'D RATHER COME BACK, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
UM, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ON THAT, I, THIS THEY'VE STUDIED WHAT THE NEED IS AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY SETTLED ON THIS DESIGN, THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND THAT'S A MAXIMUM, UH, IS WHAT THEY BELIEVE THEY NEED FOR THIS COMMUNITY CLINIC TO SERVE THE PUBLIC.
UH, PART OF, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS BECAUSE THEY, THEY UNDERLINED WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING, WHICH IS THAT WE COMMITTED TO THE PUBLIC TO MAINTAIN THE UNDERLYING OUR HALF ACRE ZONING.
JUST BASICALLY ADDING THIS USE AND ADJUSTING THE PARKING.
AND THAT 25% LOT COVERAGE IS PART OF THE R ONE HALF ACRE.
SO IN THAT SENSE, THAT'S PART OF THE DEAL, THAT'S PART OF THE COMMITMENT WE MADE TO THE COMMUNITY.
WE SAID, WE JUST WANT TO ADD THIS USE AND WE WILL RESPECT EVERYTHING ELSE AND SLIGHTLY REDUCE THE PARKING 'CAUSE NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA COME THERE IN A CAR.
Y WELL, ALSO, MR. VINCENT, ISN'T IT? OOPS.
ISN'T IT TRUE THAT YOU HAVE, UH, UH, STORMWATER RETENTION ISSUES THAT REQUIRE THAT FAIRLY LARGE DETENTION POND? AND IT ALSO LOOKS TO ME LIKE, IS THAT A, UH, IS THAT A UTILITY EASEMENT RUNNING DIAGONALLY THROUGH THE PROPERTY? THAT'S ALL TRUE.
SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD REALLY BE TOUGH FOR YOU TO EXPAND YOUR BUILDING MUCH MORE THAN IT'S PROPOSED.
WELL, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT WOULD, UH, WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THAT DETENTION AREA WITH THE, UH, HOPEFULLY RETAINING THE MATURE TREES, I THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.
JUST LIKE ONE OF THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GREEN SPACE FOR THE COMMUNITY, EVEN IF THEY, EVEN IF IT'S NOT PUBLIC SO MUCH.
JUST REAL QUICKLY ON THE SITE, WE DID CONSIDER APPRECIATE THE COMMENT REGARDING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UH, OF THE LOT.
UH, THAT DIAGONAL IS NOT AN EASEMENT, IT'S A, UH, OUR INTENT IS TO PROVIDE A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION BACK TO THE CAMPUS.
THAT'S A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION.
AND THEN TO THE WEST, UH, WE HAVE EXISTING TREES.
THERE'S A TREE FARM, AND WE WANTED TO HONOR THAT AND CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE THAT DEVELOPMENT, UH, OF TREES, YOU KNOW, AS A NATURAL PART OF THAT.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THE DETENTION POND, AS YOU MENTIONED.
AND I THINK A GOOD SEGUE IS FOR ME TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT WE DO AGREE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, PART OF WHICH IS TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION TO THE, THE RICHLAND CAMPUS.
SO WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT ON BOARD WITH THAT COMMISSIONER RUBEN.
YEAH, THAT THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
UH, MR. VINCENT, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PARKING FOR JUST A SECOND.
HOW MANY SPACES DOES THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT HAVE ON THAT LOT ADJACENT TO Y'ALL? UH, THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE NUMEROUS TIMES MYSELF, AND USUALLY WHEN I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, UM, IT'S BEEN PRETTY EMPTY.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COLLEGE WAS DEVELOPED I THINK IN THE MID EARLY SEVENTIES.
UM, WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A, UH, A LOT OF DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW ABOUT OUR, UM, PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT GO BACK DECADES, I'M SURE IT WAS DEVELOPED UNDER THOSE STANDARDS.
AND WHAT WAS, WHAT, IF ANY, WAS THE DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT ON POTENTIALLY USING SOME OF THAT PARKING FOR THE PARKLAND CLINIC?
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THEY FELT THAT THEY NEEDED TO KEEP THAT AVAILABLE FOR THEIR STUDENTS AND FACULTY.UM, AND WE WERE AGREEABLE TO THAT.
THEY, IN ESSENCE, ASKED US TO PROVIDE OUR OWN PARKING ON OUR SITE, WHICH WE'RE ABLE TO DO.
UM, YOU KNOW, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RECONFIGURING THE PARKING, MAYBE HAVING LESS PARKING, PULLING THE BUILDING UP.
I PROMISE YOU I AM, UM, AN ADVOCATE FOR BETTER URBAN DESIGN STANDARDS AND BETTER FORM.
HOWEVER, IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, AN INSTITUTIONAL OWNER AND INSTITUTIONAL USE, IT REALLY A SUBURBAN CHARACTER OF THE AREA.
I MEAN, IT'S NORTH OF L B J, IT'S JUST SOUTH OF RICHARDSON.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF OUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY TO NOT, YOU KNOW, INTENSIFY THE, THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THERE, WE THOUGHT THIS WAS THE BEST SOLUTION.
AND IN, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING, I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION BRIEFING ABOUT, UH, THE PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH IS 40 FEET UNDER OUR ONE HALF ACRE, UH, IN OUR CONDITIONS, PROPOSED CONDITIONS, IT SAYS THAT PARKING WOULD BE PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
BUT I WOULD NOT BE ADVERSE TO A, A MOTION THAT WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, ADDING THE PHRASE, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IS ALLOWED FOR A MEDICAL CLINIC USE.
I COULD CLARIFY THAT, BUT DID SOME DICKING
AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS.
AND AS COMMISSIONER YOUNG AND SAYS, MY ONLY SENTENCE ENDS WITH A PERIOD.
SO,
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE
THERE'S AN EXISTING DETENTION POND THERE NOW, WHICH WE ARE NOT GONNA TOUCH.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, UM, WELL, I JUST SAID, I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.
YOU CAN IMAGINE WITH ALL THE, THE PARKING AREA AT THE COLLEGE, THERE'S A QUITE A BIT OF RUNOFF WHEN IT RAINS.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT THAT DETENTION POND DOES, IS TO TRY TO CAPTURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MITIGATE THE EFFECT OF THAT.
SO, UM, WE HAVE NO DESIRE TO TOUCH THAT OR DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
AND I THINK IT'S A BENEFIT FROM AN AESTHETIC STANDPOINT, REALLY TO HAVE IT THERE WITH THE TREE FARM.
SO THE DETENTION POND IS EXISTING.
IT, IT WOULDN'T BE ADDED TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
AND I'M ASSUMING WHATEVER ENGINEERING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, YOU KNOW, CONNECT OUR PARKING AREA WITH THE SYSTEM THAT DRAINS INTO THAT, I'M SURE WOULD BE DONE.
AND THIS NEXT QUESTION DOES NOT, UH, DETERMINE MY DECISION, BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED OTHER CAMPUSES AROUND THE CITY, UM, PARTICULAR CEDAR VALLEY FOR, UH, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES LIKE THESE? UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
IN TERMS OF OTHER DALLAS COLLEGE CAMPUSES, I KNOW THAT WE LOOKED AT LEAST AT AT LEAST ONE OTHER SITE IN DISTRICT 10.
UM, AND THAT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE OPTIMAL.
SO WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
WE HOPEFULLY SOMEONE'S LISTENING OUT THERE THAT IS LISTENING.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER HAMPTON? I WILL ASK THE FRONT YARD PARK OR PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
MR. PEPE, WERE YOU ABLE TO FIND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT? THIS IS A, THIS IS A, AN INTERESTING ONE FOR YOU.
SO THE PD SAYS THAT THE USES, UH, DEFAULT TO R ONE HALF ACRE, THAT THE YARD LOT IN SPACE DEFAULT TO, TO ONE R ONE HALF ACRE.
HOWEVER, THE SECTION OF CODE THAT SAYS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, ANY ON OFF STREET PARKING MUST COMPLY WITH THE FRONT YARD REQUIREMENTS.
IT SAYS IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THEN THE NEXT SECTION SAYS, IN NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, OFF STREET PARKING MAY EXTEND TO THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE.
ODDLY ENOUGH, IN THE DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS SECTION OF THE PD ITSELF, IT REFERS TO IT AS A NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT, DESPITE USING AN R ONE HALF ACRE BASE.
SO IT'S AN R BASE, BUT IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL, NOT PER DEFINITIONS AND INTERPRETATIONS OF THE IN THE PD.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, MR. IT'S A LITTLE JOURNEY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER HOUSER? I DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
UM, YES, IN THE MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 DASH 2 1 0, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, NOT FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER, UH, FOLLOW THE, UM, UH, REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR R ONE HALF ACRE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT USES IN MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER USES.
UM, AND I, I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BASED UPON MY READING OF THE, OF THE, UM, UH, OF THE REPORT.
SO, UM, IF I HAVE A SECOND ON THIS, I HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
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A SECOND.THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TREASURY FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UM, DISTRICT 10 IS REALLY PROUD TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A SITE FOR THIS CLINIC.
UM, THANK YOU, UH, MR. VINCENT FOR JUST POINTING OUT SORT OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC ISSUES, UM, THAT, UM, WE AS A COMMUNITY FACE, BUT SPECIFICALLY WE AS A DISTRICT FACE, UM, WE, UH, REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THE, THE HEALTHCARE OUTCOMES IN, UH, OUR CITY AS WELL AS OUR DISTRICT.
REALLY WANNA COMMEND THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT AND THE, UH, COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT FOR THIS SORT OF CREATIVE PARTNERSHIP USING THIS LAND IN A, IN A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT WAY.
UM, WE, UM, ARE JUST EXCITED TO SEE THIS PROJECT, UH, GET UNDERWAY.
AND, UM, I DO ALSO WANT TO NOT MISS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THANKING PARKLAND, UH, FOR GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THIS ISSUE SEVERAL MONTHS AGO.
IT WAS A, A VERY WELL CONDUCTED MEETING AND, UM, REALLY PROVIDED SOME ESSENTIAL INFORMATION TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO, UM, I, UH, DO, UM, REQUEST SUPPORT FROM OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS, THIS IMPORTANT CASE.
AND, UH, THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR HARD WORK.
COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT, I THINK THERE WAS A, A QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
SO YOU DID SAY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IS THE INTENT TO FULFILL SOME OR ALL OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS MARKED IN THE, UM, IN THE DOCKET? WELL, THERE WAS A CURB RADIUS, THERE WAS A REMOVAL OF A MEDIA MEDIA SHOW REQUIRED SIDEWALK REMOVE MEDIAN CUT.
IS WOULD YOU LIKE ALL OF IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION OR IN YOUR MOTION ALL OF THOSE TO BE FULFILLED? I WOULD RECOMMEND, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO AS I DID IN THE DOCKET, BUT I JUST WANT CLARITY OF DIRECTION.
NO, THEY, NO, THEY ALL SEEMED REASONABLE TO ME.
COMMISSIONER RUBEN? YEAH, I, I AM GONNA SUPPORT THE, THE MOTION TODAY, BUT I WANTED TO, UM, BRIEFLY COMMENT, UM, AND JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SOME OF THE LAND THAT, THAT OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT HAS IS A REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT ASSET AND HAS REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITIES TO DO WONDERFUL THINGS LIKE IT INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, CITING A PARKING, UH, CITING A PARKLAND CLINIC ON IT.
AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THAT'S COMING IN.
YOU KNOW, I WORKED ON THE CASE LAST TIME AROUND WHERE IT DIDN'T WORK OUT WHERE THERE WAS ABOUT TWO MILES SOUTH OF THIS.
SO I AM THRILLED THAT PARKLAND FOUND A SITE.
I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT FOR NOT BEING WILLING TO SHARE ITS PARKING WITH THE PARKLAND OR WITH THE PARKLAND SITE.
UM, I THINK THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE RICHLAND IS ALREADY VERY OVER PARKED AND RICHLANDS UNWILLINGNESS TO SHARE ITS PARKING WITH, WITH PARKLAND WHEN IT'S SO NEARBY AND SO OVER PARKED IS, IS VERY DISAPPOINTING AND I HOPE THAT, THAT THE, UM, COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT WILL THINK, THOUGHT, THINK CAREFULLY IN THE FUTURE WHEN IT HAS OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO SHARE ITS PARKING AND REALLY ENHANCE ITS SITE ABOUT DOING SO INSTEAD OF INCREASING THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND HEAT ISLAND, UM, ON ITS PROPERTY WITH ADDITIONAL, PROBABLY UNNECESSARY PARKING.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE WE VOTE SIR, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A CLEAN RECORD THAT YOU, YOU SPOKE.
COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MARK STEWART WITH, UH, PARKLAND HEALTH MANAGER OF PLANNING AND DESIGN.
UH, 39 32 RIDGECREST DRIVE, FLOWER MOUNT, TEXAS.
COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
UH, MOVE BACK TO THE ORDER OF THE AGENDA COMMISSIONERS, TEXAS, BACK TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN.
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WE ARE READY FOR YOU MS. MUNOZ IT ON AND I DUNNO WHAT YOU DIDN'T TELL ME NOTES.YOU DIDN'T TAKE ME NOSE ON AND WHAT, YOU KNOW WHAT SHE SAID KE GOOD EVENING.
I DON'T THINK THEY READY FOR THE YEAR, PLEASE.
I ITEM NUMBER SEVEN Z 212 3 48, AN APPLICATION FOR AN MF TWO MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE R SEVEN FIVE, A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE OF POLK STREET BETWEEN CASTANEDA AVENUE AND ELMHURST PLACE.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL.
YOU PLEASE GET YOUR, GET THAT MIC RIGHT CLOSE UP TO YOU AND, AND BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS PHILLIP MITCHELL AND FOR THE RECORD, IT IS SEVEN, IT'S, UH, 1608 SOUTH POLK STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND WE, WE APPLIED FOR, UH, MOTHER FAMILY, UH, SS U P THAT WAS DENIED AND WE WERE ASKED TO GO TO, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND WE WENT THERE TWO WEEKS AGO AND THEY SAID THEY AGREE TO WHAT WE, WHAT WE WE WERE DOING AND WE GOT 100%, UM, UH, WE GOT 100%, UH, UH, PERMISSION FROM THEM TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
UH, WHAT WE HAVE IS, UH, UH, A PLACE FOR HOMELESS VETERANS OVER 65 WHO HAVE SERVED OUR COUNTRY AND MOST OF THEM HAVE P S D AND A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, BUT WE TAKE CARE OF 'EM.
AND WE'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS AND WE ARE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING AND WE TRYING TO GET A, GET IT TO A, A MOTHER FAMILY DWELLING.
AND, UH, RIGHT NOW WE ARE ASKING, UH, TO KEEP THE EXISTING ZONING.
UH, WE WILL NOT CHANGE IT, WE WILL NOT GO UP HIGH OR NOTHING.
WE'LL NOT SELL THE PROPERTY OR NOTHING.
WE'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 32 YEARS AND WE ACCOMMODATE DISABLED VETERANS OVER 65 YEARS OLD.
AND, UM, ON OUR DEED RESTRICTIONS, WE LIKE TO ADD TO LET THE COUNSELOR KNOW AND THE, AND THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD KNOW THAT WE WON'T SELL A PLACE AND WE WON'T GO UP NO HIGHER.
WE'LL JUST KEEP AS IS AND WE'LL PUT THAT IN ID RESTRICTIONS.
DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENT, SIR? WHEN YOU SAY QUICK COMMENTS, WHAT DO YOU, DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? YES.
WE WANT TO, UH, KEEP ON OPERATING AS A GROUP DWELLING BECAUSE THESE ARE HOMELESS VETERANS AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO UNTIL WE CAN GET THIS ON.
WE HAVE PAID FOR IT AND WE JUST WAITING, UH, TO GET AN ANSWER AFTER WE LEFT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR OUR SPEAKER COMMISSIONER? TRY AWAY PLEASE.
SO YOU HAVE A PERMIT FROM THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION TO RUN YOUR Y YES.
WE HAVE A PERMIT FROM THE VETERANS ASSOCI, UH, VETERANS ADMINISTRATION.
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WE GOT LETTERS, UH, WITH US IF YOU, IF YOU ALL REQUEST TO SEE.SO IN ORDER TO GET THE PERMIT FROM THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL DWELLING UNITS THAT EACH HAVE SEPARATE KITCHENS? YES.
THEY ASKED US TO REMOVE THREE KITCHENS AND WE DID, WE JUST USING HOT PLATES RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UH, THE VETERANS, UH, ADMINISTRATION ALLOW EACH VETERAN TO HAVE A KITCHEN AND A BATHROOM AND A BEDROOM PRIVATE.
THEY DON'T WANT NO ONE TO WALK THROUGH ANYBODY ELSE'S ROOM TO GET TO THEIR ROOM, AND THAT'S THEIR REQUIREMENTS.
THEY FORCED US TO DO THAT AND WE DID WHAT THEY ASKED.
SO, SORRY, JUST TO CONFIRM, THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION REQUIRES THAT EACH VETERAN HAVE THEIR OWN SEPARATE KITCHEN.
I I THINK TALKING WITH YOU GUYS IS GONNA HELP CLARIFY A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND THIS IS A REALLY COMPLICATED SITE.
UM, SO BECAUSE OF WHAT THE VA REQUIRES FOR YOU GUYS TO OPERATE, IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO CONFORM TO THE EXISTING ZONING AND YOU'VE BEEN TALKING TO CODE COMPLIANCE, THERE'S A LOT OF HOOPS YOU WOULD HAVE TO JUMP THROUGH TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WOULD KNOW.
SO WE, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO LEAVE IT AS IS AND YOU WOULD, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU HAVE TO, AND WE WOULD CHANGE THE, UH, THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS.
IT, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF, IF YOU NEED TO REMOVE KITCHENS TO CONTINUE OPERATING UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING, WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW SEPARATE KITCHENS, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO OPERATE UNDER THE VA'S REQUIREMENTS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO IN ORDER TO CONTINUE OPERATING THE BUSINESS, YOU HAVE, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SEPARATE UNITS FOR THESE FOLKS YOU'RE HOUSING, CORRECT? YES.
YEAH, THE ONES, AND THEY WON'T HAVE ANYWHERE TO GO EXCEPT UNDER THE TREES, THE SHELTERS.
THEY WERE 65 AND MOST OF 'EM ARE HANDICAPPED.
UM, THOSE AREN'T NECESSARILY THINGS THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IN ZONING, BUT IT, IT'S GOOD TO KNOW.
UM, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE PERMITS THAT WERE PULLED ON THIS PROPERTY IN 2017 TO ADD NINE BEDROOMS AND 5,000 SQUARE FOOT OR IN 2020 TO DO GENERAL REPAIRS? ARE THOSE PERMITS THAT YOU GUYS PULLED? WE, WE, WE PULLED, UH, REPAIRS FOR WHAT, WHAT WE NEEDED TO DO TO SATISFY YEAH.
TO, TO SATISFY THE AND ADMINISTRATION.
AND SO THE 20, THE 2017 PERMIT TO ADD 5,000 SQUARE FOOT WAS NOT YOU GUYS, RIGHT? NO.
AND THAT WAS A, A PERMIT THAT, UM, CODE COMPLIANCE, UH, FOUND IN THEIR SYSTEM.
SO THAT WAS NOT YOU GUYS? THAT'S CORRECT.
UM, IN TERMS OF TALKING WITH THE NEIGHBORS, I KNOW THAT'S A BIG COMPONENT OF THIS BECAUSE, UM, THROUGH OUR WCO PROCESS, THE NEIGHBORS ARE REAL SENSITIVE TO ADDING ANY HEIGHTENED DENSITY IN, IN TERMS OF MF ZONING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT YOU DID MEET WITH THE POLK VERNON NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION? WE DID.
AND WE AGREED TO PUT THAT IN OUR, IN OUR DEEDED UH, RESTRICTIONS.
AND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WAS THEIR, THE HEIGHT, THEY DON'T WANT US TO SCORE NO HIGHER, AND THEN THEY ACTUALLY DON'T WANT US TO SELL IT OR GIVE IT TO ANYBODY ELSE AND WE WON'T.
BUT WE'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR 32 YEARS AND THOSE AREN'T THINGS THAT YOU CAN PUT DEED RESTRICTIONS, BUT WHAT YOU COULD PUT IN DEED RESTRICTIONS WOULD BE THAT YOU COULD OPERATE ONLY AS A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
WE'D BE GLAD TO DO THAT, MA'AM.
THAT USE CAN BE ADDED IN DEEDED RESTRICTIONS.
WE'D BE GLAD TO ADD THAT TO IT.
AND, UM, YOU ALSO MENTIONED TO ME THAT YOU SPOKE WITH ONE OF YOUR DIRECT NEIGHBORS, RAY O'CONNOR.
WHAT'D SHE SAY? RAY O'CONNOR, YOU SPOKE WITH RAY? OH, YES.
WHAT WERE, WHAT WERE HIS, WHAT WERE HIS PROBLEMS? HE WAS TOTALLY AGREEANCE EVERYBODY AT THE, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AGREED, TOTALLY.
AND YOU GUYS ARE IN THE POLK VERNON NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT THAT LINE IS ACTUALLY
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POLK STREET BETWEEN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION YOU MET WITH, AND THE ELMWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET TECHNICALLY.UM, AND SO DO YOU KNOW WHICH HOUSE RAY O'CONNOR IS IN FROM YOU? YES.
NORTH OR SOUTH, RIGHT OR LEFT? I THINK MY WIFE GOT THE ADDRESS.
UH, MS. POPKIN, I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT ADDRESS, BUT I KNOW IT'S THE HOUSE ON THE CORNER.
UH, IF YOU'RE STANDING IN FRONT OF THE POLK STREET, IT'S TO THE LEFT ON THE CORNER.
AND AS HE ALWAYS STATED, IT'S THE HOUSE WITH THE ROOSTER IN THE FRONT.
IT'S A, UH, A METAL, UH, ROOSTER THAT'S IN THE FRONT YARD.
LARGE, I GUESS ABOUT THREE FEET, FOUR FEET, I THINK'S TWO HOURS, TWO HOUSES DOWN.
SO HE'S TWO HOUSES DOWN, RIGHT? IT LOOKS LIKE TO THE NORTH.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS FOR YOU RIGHT NOW.
ANY, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON? YES.
I I WANNA UNDERSTAND THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS YOU'RE OFFERING.
UM, I AM UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU ARE OFFERING TO LIMIT THE USE AS COMMISSIONER POPKIN JUST DESCRIBED AND YOUR OFFERING TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT.
DID YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD BE OR HOW TALL YOU ARE OPERATING NOW? TWO STORIES.
WELL, IT IS JUST, IT'S JUST ONE STORY.
SO THEY ASKED US TO NOT JUST SAY, FOR INSTANCE, WE SELL A PROPERTY, WE CAN'T SELL A PROPERTY AND GO UP ON A HEIGHT.
UM, SO WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T SELL A PROPERTY 'CAUSE THAT'S OUR LIFE.
I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR DEEDED RESTRICTION, BUT, UM, I'M WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE HEIGHT IS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONERS? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER YOUNG? FIRST OF ALL, FOR MR. MOORE, UH, CAN WE ACCEPT A DEEDED RESTRICTION THAT THE PROPERTY WILL NOT BE SOLD BY THE APPLICANT? NO.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THAT'S NOT A DEEDED RESTRICTION THAT WE CAN ENFORCE OR ACCEPT SOMEHOW? I DIDN'T THINK SO.
UH, QUESTION FOR PLANNING STAFF.
UH, AS I READ THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY DEFINITION, IT IS, UH, AN INTERIM OR PERMANENT RESIDENTIAL FACILITY THAT PROVIDES ROOM AND BOARD TO A GROUP OF PERSONS WHO ARE NOT A FAMILY.
AS THAT TERM IS DEFINED IN THIS CHAPTER, UH, THE ROOM PART I UNDERSTAND.
DOES PROVIDING UNITS WITH KITCHENS CONSTITUTE PROVIDING BOARD TO THE GROUP? GREAT QUESTION.
SORRY, I HEAR A VERY STRONG ECHO.
I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.
BUT WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANSWERED OR RESEARCHED, UM, BY TALKING TO OUR PERMIT DIVISION WHO WOULD BE APPLYING THOSE DEFINITIONS.
AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT ROOM AND BOARD CONSTITUTES KITCHEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR CERTAIN, WELL, I GUESS WHERE I'M HEADED IS IF WE WERE TO PASS THIS CASE WITH ACCEPTING THE DEEDED RESTRICTION TO A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, AND THEN IT TURNS OUT THAT THE CONCEPT OF PROVIDING BOARD MEANS PROVIDING A COMMON EATING FACILITY, THEN THE APPLICANT COULD NOT CONTINUE UNDER THOSE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS WITH HIS, UH, CURRENT USE.
I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IS NOT ACCURATE BECAUSE ANOTHER PROVISION, UM, IN THE HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING, I'M SORRY, NOT HANDICAP IN THE GROUP, RESIDENTIAL FACILITY NUMBER THREE ON THE RESIDENTIAL USES OF WORK, 2.4 0.29, THERE'S A THIRD ROMANT THAT SAYS THIS USE MAY INCLUDE DWELLING UNITS OR SUITES AND THEN THAT ARE EXCLUSIVELY RESTRICTED TO VISITORS OR MEMBERS OF THE STAFF.
SO IF THEY'RE PROVIDING SOME SORT OF DWELLING UNIT OR SUITE, UM, THAT'S LIKELY DEFINED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY I WOULD LEAVE THAT DEFINITION OF BOARD TO SOMETHING
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TO TO BE DEFINED BY OUR PERMIT DIVISION AND THOSE WHO MAKE THOSE DETERMINATIONS.COMMISSIONER CHAR WAY, MY QUESTION IS FOR ATTORNEY, CAN WE ACCEPT A DEEDED RESTRICTION THAT RESTRICTS USE TO VETERANS? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER, DID YOU SAY TO VETERANS? YES.
TO VETERANS? NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A LAND USE COMPONENT AND THAT WOULD BE GETTING INTO THE USER AND NOT THE USE.
SO WE CAN PROPOSE A DEEDED RESTRICTION FOR GROUP RESIDENTIAL HOME, BUT NOT SPECIFY WHO COULD BE IN THE HOME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF COMMISSIONER POPKIN.
UM, COULD THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS RESTRICT HEIGHT TO WHATEVER WE WANT IT TO BE, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE TIED TO A, A DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORY OR ANYTHING SPECIFIC YOU CAN RESTRICT ANYTHING THAT IS LESS THAN THE DISTRICT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED? UM, CAN A DEEDED RESTRICTION LIMIT LOT COVERAGE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S COVERED? YES.
UM, WHAT IS THE LOT COVERAGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY IF THEY RECEIVED A BUILDING PERMIT IN THIS, THE SITE IN 2017 TO ADD 5,000 SQUARE FOOT? IF, IF THE ZONING WERE CHANGED TO MULTIFAMILY, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE REQUIRED LOT COVERAGE? THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE MF TWO, A DISTRICT PROPOSED IS 60%, SO THAT'S A DIFFERENCE OF 15% SEND.
UM, ON THE REPLY PACKET, I NOTICED THAT THERE WERE A FEW NEIGHBORS, UM, WITHIN THE AREA OF REPLY THAT HAD, UM, RETURNED THEIR REPLIES IN OPPOSITION.
UH, WERE THERE NO COMMENTS OR ANYTHING LISTED ON THOSE REPLIES? I DIDN'T SEE THEM IN THE PACKET.
IF THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, THEN THERE WERE NO COMMENTS IN SIMPLY THE BOX WAS CHECKED INDICATING FAVOR OR OPPOSITION.
DID YOU RECEIVE ANY OTHER, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FROM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS? UM, NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS I'M UNCERTAIN OF.
I DID RECEIVE A FEW, UM, FROM NEIGHBORS WHICH WERE SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION BOTH IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION? CORRECT.
THE ONES IN SUPPORT I DID NOT RECEIVE DIRECTLY.
I DID SEE THEM GET CIRCULATED, BUT THEY WERE NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS SENT TO ME.
THE ONES I HAD CONTACT WITH WERE TWO NEIGHBORS IN OPPOSITION.
AND IN TERMS OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, DID YOU RECEIVE ANY LETTERS? I, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH ALL THE LETTERS.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN TO BE HONEST AND ACCURATE, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS I SAW THE ONE CIRCULATED TODAY THAT SHOWED THAT THERE WAS ONE FROM I BELIEVE THE POLK STREET NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I SAW AS WELL.
YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I SAW THAT WAS FROM AN ASSOCIATION THAT WAS IN SUPPORT.
UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER ONE THAT THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION, BUT I'D HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THE STACK OF STUFF THAT I HAVE IN, IN EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT THROUGH, UM, YOLANDA.
I I TALKED WITH A LOT OF NEIGHBORS AND I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR INPUT ON WHAT YOU HAD RECEIVED AS WELL.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER STANNER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER POP, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO, UM, IN THE MATTER OF PULLING UP MY CASE REPORT, UM, Z 2 1 2 3 4 8, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION
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TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR MF TWO A ZONING WITH DEEDED RESTRICTIONS, RESTRICTING HEIGHT TO THE SAME HEIGHT THAT'S ALLOWED IN SINGLE FAMILY 26 FEET.AND, UM, UH, RESTRICTING THE USE TO GROUP.
I THINK HE'S GONNA HAVE TO READ THOSE RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, UH, I'M SORRY.
PROCEDURALLY, YES, THEY HAVE TO OFFER THE DEED RESTRICTIONS AND WE HAVE TO ACCEPT, RIGHT.
SO I CAN'T INCLUDE THAT IN MY MOTION, BUT I COULD BE ADDED THE DID RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT DEED RESTRICTIONS AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT.
AND REGARDING THE HEIGHT AND USE, UH, WHICH ARE 26 FEET AND HEIGHT AND, UM, GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I HAVE A SECOND.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER KINGSTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN? YES, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CASE BECAUSE IT'S A REALLY UNUSUAL SITUATION AND IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY UNUSUAL USE AND, AND IT'S TAKEN A LOT OF WORK TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT ZONING CAN REGULATE AND CANNOT, UM, AND TO REALLY, UH, GET ALL THE RIGHT INFORMATION OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS IN A TIMELY MANNER.
UM, THERE'S AT LEAST ONE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I KNOW, UH, HAD SOME OF THE FACTS INCORRECT AT THEIR LAST MEETING.
UM, AND W WOULD BE MEETING THIS EVENING TO DISCUSS IT MORE.
UM, WE COULD VERY WELL HOLD THIS CASE OVER AGAIN, BUT I THINK, UM, WE'VE JUST ABOUT BEATEN THIS HORSE TO DEATH.
UM, AND I I THINK WE'VE FINALLY REACHED A CONCLUSION, UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MOVE FORWARD TO COUNCIL AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH NEIGHBORS AND, UM, GIVE THE FOLKS TONIGHT AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET AND ON ITS WAY TO COUNCIL.
UM, BUT I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF APPROVING ILLEGAL USES AFTER THE FACT THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
UM, IN WCAP WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT SMALL MOM AND POP LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT ARE SERVING LOCALS.
AND I WANNA, I WANNA JUST MAKE THIS CLEAR THAT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A GOOD OPERATOR PROVIDING A NECESSARY SERVICE THAT FITS IN TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AND THAT WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF HELPING NEIGHBORS GET INTO COMPLIANCE AND STAY IN OPERATION.
UM, I THINK WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF VARIOUS SITUATIONS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT SPEAK TO THAT SAME DESIRE TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES IN OPERATION AND TO, UM, CONTINUE PROVIDING SERVICES FOR OUR NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND I I, THE, THE OVERARCHING SENTIMENT THAT I HEARD FROM, UH, MOST PEOPLE IS WE DON'T WANNA KICK VETERANS OUT ON THE STREET.
AND BECAUSE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REGULATE WITH ZONING, UM, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY DUG DEEP TO FIGURE OUT, UM, WHAT IS THE RIGHT ZONING CATEGORY.
THE TWO, UH, BIGGEST COMPLAINTS I HEARD REGARDING THIS CASE WERE ABOUT THE HEIGHT.
AND I, I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, UM, A CONCERN THAT MF MIGHT INCREASE THE HEIGHTENED DENSITY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEN I THINK AS WELL WITH THE USE, UM, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROTECT THIS MF USE FROM BECOMING A, A MORE, UM, IMPACTFUL, UH, SITE THAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE NOT EXCITED ABOUT.
UM, THE OTHER, UH, COMPLAINT I'VE HEARD IS PARKING.
AND HONESTLY, THERE'S A LOT OF STREET PARKING ON THIS BLOCK AND IT'S HARD TO ATTRIBUTE WHOSE CARS BELONG TO WHICH, UH, DWELLING, UH, ESTABLISHMENT ON THIS BLOCK.
UM, AND I, I KNOW THERE WERE IMAGES THAT WERE RECEIVED FROM AT LEAST ONE, UM, NEARBY NEIGHBOR.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE STREETS ARE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THEY ARE TO BE USED AS PARKING.
UM, AND I KNOW THERE ARE COMPLAINTS ABOUT SPEEDING ON THIS ROAD, AND HONESTLY, PARALLEL PARKING ON STREET HELPS TO SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC.
SO, UM, I THINK IN TERMS OF THIS OPERATOR AND THEIR OPERATION AS A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY AND THE NATURE OF THEIR BUSINESS AND THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY'VE OFFERED, UM, I THINK THAT WE WILL ADDRESS THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS APPROPRIATELY AND THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING IN A, UM, IN A, IN A MANNER THAT'S SENSITIVE TO, UH, OTHER SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORS SURROUNDING THEM.
COMMISSIONER POKA, BEFORE WE GET TO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THE DEEDED RESTRICTION IN REGARDS TO HIVE WAS 36 FEET OR 26 FEET? 26 FEET.
26 FEET CONSISTENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY ZONING HEIGHT.
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AND SEVEN DISTRICTS LIKE CONSERVATION.AND IN THE BASE ZONING AS HEIGHT IS REFLECTED IN EXISTING ZONING, WHAT IS IT AT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD? 30 33 0.
UM, REASON FOR THE 26TH WAS TO MAKE IT A MULTI-FAMILY USE THAT TECHNICALLY APPLIES TO R P S.
THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT YOU HAD HAD EARLIER ABOUT R P S AND IF IT WOULD APPLY, AND I MENTIONED THAT IT LIKELY COULD NOT SURPASS R P S, WHICH IS 26 FEET, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THE 26 CAME FROM, BUT THE DISTRICT STANDARD IS ACTUALLY 30.
SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THE, WHETHER THE EXISTING STRUCTURE COMPLIES WITH 26 FEET OR 30 FEET.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH ALL THE YARD LOT IN SPACE FOR THE DISTRICT AS IT STANDS BECAUSE THIS STRUCTURE WAS ERECTED IN THE 1940S.
SO, UM, DOESN'T MEET THE YARD LOT, LOT IN SPACE AS THEY EXIST TODAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ALSO IS, UM, UH, RELATING TO THE HEIGHT AS WELL.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
I'D LIKE FOR THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION TO REFLECT THE UNDERLYING ZONING, UH, AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES OF 30 FEET IF THE MOTION CAN BE AMENDED.
AND SIR, SIR, ARE YOU VOLUNTEERING 30 FEET? I PERFECT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND I SUPPORT THAT CLARIFICATION.
I, I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT COMMISSIONER POPKIN JUST SAID, SO I WON'T REPEAT THEM ALL, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IF THIS WERE A NEW PROPOSITION, I WOULD'VE A HARD TIME APPROVING IT IN THIS LOCATION.
BUT AS AN EXISTING USE AND KNOWING THE HISTORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY AND IN GENERAL, HOW WE SOMETIMES DO OR ALLOW LAND USE TO DEVELOP IN THE CITY, I HAVE A HARD TIME SHUTTING DOWN A BUSINESS THAT IS ADDRESSING A VERY CRITICAL NEED.
WE HAVE, UH, WE ARE UNABLE AND PART OF OUR HOUSING CRISIS IS THAT WE ARE UNABLE TO HOUSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE STREET WHO DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THE STREET.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE BUILDING OF THOSE PEOPLE BEING SERVED BY THIS APPLICANT.
AND SO TO SAY, WELL, TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THIS, OR TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THAT.
I, I, I JUST, IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME SAYING NO TO THIS, UM, APPLICATION.
EVEN THOUGH THE CURRENT USE MAY NOT TECHNICALLY COMPLY WITH OUR CURRENT ZONING.
UM, THAT IS NOT TO SAY AS COMMISSIONER POPKIN SAID, THAT I'M ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF PERMISSION.
I VERY RARELY HAVE MUCH TOLERANCE FOR THAT.
BUT IN THIS CASE, GIVEN THE TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES, I ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORT THE APPLICATION.
AND OF THE COMMISSIONER HARBERT.
UM, COMMISSIONER POPKIN FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS, UM, DEAD HORSE NOTE.
UM, WE'VE WORKED, YOU'VE WORKED HARD AND I'VE LITERALLY LIKE LOOKED AT YOU LIKE, OH BABY, I'M SORRY YOU'RE HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS, BUT I'M THANKFUL YOU DID AND I'M THANKFUL FOR YOUR SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY.
I HOPE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS YOU GO TO COUNCIL, THAT SOMEONE SAYS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? CAN WE COPY IT ACROSS OUR CITY PLATFORM? UM, BECAUSE OUR VETERANS ARE ESSENTIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY, UM, EVEN AFTER THEY'RE IN RETIREMENT, RIGHT? THEY ARE, THEY HOLD WISDOM, THEY HOLD KNOWLEDGE THAT IS KEY TO, UM, THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY.
SO THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICES.
UM, YES, I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER POPKIN FOR HARD WORK ON THIS AND THANK THE APPLICANT FOR GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THIS.
I MEAN, I WANT TO SUPPORT THIS CASE.
I'M STRUGGLING TO FIND MY SUPPORT FOR THIS CASE.
UM, THE FACT IS THIS ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND, IT'S NOT RUNNING WITH THIS BUSINESS AND IT, WE SEEMS TO ME WE'RE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO ANOTHER OPERATOR UNFORESEEN IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD NOT DO THE JOB THAT OUR CURRENT APPLICANT IS DOING.
I THINK THAT IS A RISK TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I'M NOT SURE I AM WILLING TO, UH, PROMOTE THIS AFTERNOON.
UM, TO ME IT'S A MATTER OF DEGREE AND I HAVE VOTED CONSISTENTLY TO ADD DENSITY TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
I REALIZE THAT I'M ABOUT TO VOTE AGAINST ADDING DENSITY TO SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THE, MY RATIONALE IS IT'S A MATTER OF DEGREE.
IF THIS OPERATION WAS UTILIZING A DUPLEX OR PERHAPS EVEN A FOURPLEX, I THINK I COULD GET ON BOARD A NINE PLEX IS A MATTER OF DEGREE THAT IS GOING BEYOND WHAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH.
I'M GONNA LISTEN TO THE REMAINING COMMENTS, BUT, UH, MY INCLINATION AT THE MOMENT IS
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NOT TO SUPPORT THE MOTION CARPENTER.UH, I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF BECAUSE MY READING OF THE DEFINITION OF GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY MAKES ME WONDER IF THIS PARTICULAR CONFIGURATION MEETS THAT DEFINITION BECAUSE IN IT, IT SPECIFIES THAT IT CANNOT BE UNITS THAT ARE OCCUPIED BY A SINGLE FAMILY.
AND WE JUST GOT A CLARIFICATION A LITTLE WHILE AGO THAT A SINGLE PERSON CAN BE A FAMILY.
SO IF YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL UNIT DWELLING UNITS THAT HAVE KITCHENS AND BATHROOMS AND BEDROOMS, AND THEY'RE ALL OCCUPIED BY UNRELATED, UNIQUE SINGLE PEOPLE, HOW DOES THAT NOT MEET ONE OF THE DISQUALIFICATIONS UNDER THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY DEFINITION? ARE YOU ASKING SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY MEANS? YEAH, I WAS GONNA, JENNIFER REREAD THAT I THINK UNDER THAT THREE ROMAN THAT SHE WAS REFERRING TO SAYING THIS USE MAY INCLUDE DWELLING UNITS OR SUITES THAT ARE EXCLUSIVELY RESTRICTED TO VISITORS OR MEMBERS OF THE STAFF.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVE IT AT PERMITTING.
I, I DUNNO, JUST I, I'M NOT GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION BECAUSE I, I DON'T SEE THAT THIS USE MEETS THE DEFINITION THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, I TOO WILL BE UNABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
MY HEART TELLS ME TO FIND A WAY TO SUPPORT IT AND MY HEAD TELLS ME I CAN'T GET THERE.
UH, AS THE STAFF REPORT INDICATES FOR A MULTI-FAMILY USE, UH, THIS SITE WOULD FACE, UH, INSURMOUNTABLE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, EVEN WITH A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY USE.
IT'S UNCLEAR TO ME THAT THE REQUIRED FOUR PARKING SPACES COULD BE FOUND, UH, OUTSIDE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK AND WITH ADEQUATE MANEUVERING ROOM.
ADDITIONALLY, UH, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTO, IT LOOKS TO ME DOUBTFUL THAT THIS COULD FIT WITHIN THE 60% LOT COVERAGE APPLICABLE IN MF TWO.
AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. MOORE INDICATE THAT THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT AT PERMITTING EVEN IF THE 2017 PERMIT WERE ISSUED IN ERROR, UH, THAT IT MUST MEET THE COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS, UH, APPLICABLE AT THE TIME OF, OF CURRENT PERMITTING.
UH, FINALLY, THE DEEDED RESTRICTION TO GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT RESTRICT THE PROPERTY TO THIS OPERATOR OR TO THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE OPERATOR WERE TO BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, UH, THIS ZONING WOULD REMAIN IN PLACE.
AND GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY IS ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY TYPE OF USE, UM, COLLOQUIALLY CALLED A FLOP HOUSE, UH, THAT I REGARD AS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THIS SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I NOTE THE OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH, AS WELL AS FROM TWO PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, FURTHER SOUTH ON POLK STREET.
SO FOR ALL THESE REASONS, UH, I AM NOT SATISFIED THAT THIS SOLUTION IS A WORKABLE SOLUTION AND REGRETTABLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE MOTION COMMISSIONER, STANDARD FOLLOWER COMMISSIONER TREAD WADE.
UH, I, I GUESS MY ONLY, I I, I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION, BUT ONE OF THE REASONS IN RESPONSE TO WHAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG SAID IS THAT I DO IN THIS INSTANT CONSIDER THIS A GROUP RESIDENTIAL HOME, WHICH I DON'T SEE AS A FLOP HOUSE.
THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OF ADULT HOMES LIVING TOGETHER THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING HANDICAPPED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHERE PEOPLE MAYBE HAVE SOME COGNITIVE ISSUES.
WELL, HOMELESSNESS TO ME IS AN ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON AND COMMISSIONER POPKIN SAID IF THIS WEREN'T AN EXISTING THING, I WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY.
AND I GUESS SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, WELL IF YOU'D SAY NO, IF IT WAS A NEW THING, WHY WOULDN'T YOU SAY NO TO THIS? BECAUSE IT IS, PROVIDING SOMETHING TO UPROOT THESE PEOPLE AT THIS POINT TO GO NOWHERE AND HAVE NOWHERE TO GO IS A VERY TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE.
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FEEL LIKE PERMITTING WILL DEAL WITH IT IF THERE ARE THINGS TO BE ACCOMMODATED CHANGED IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS WORK.AND I HOPE THAT WE'RE SAYING WE HOPE TO PERMITTING YOU CAN MAKE THIS WORK.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT NEED HOMES LIVING THERE AND I'M THINKING THAT AS A GROUP RESIDENTIAL HOME, THOSE TINY LITTLE ROOMS WITH A KITCHENETTE COULD QUALIFY AS SORT OF A GROUP OF SUITES IN THE PLACE.
I HAVE ONLY ONE QUESTION OF STAFF, WHICH IS I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER YOUNG POINTED OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN YOU HAVE IN THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL HOME? IS IT ONLY EIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT? ANY DISCUSSION THAT WAS HANDICAPPED.
OKAY, SO THAT'S ONLY THE HANDICAPPED ONE.
OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.
BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF GOING FORWARD WITH THIS AND TRYING TO SEE IF THERE ISN'T A WAY IT CAN WORK OUT.
AM I CONCERNED ABOUT THE 60 NOT NOT BEING 60% LOT COVERAGE, BUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? TAKE A SAW AND CUT OFF ONE OF THE ROOMS? WELL, IF PERMITTING SAYS THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT, BUT I'M GONNA SUPPORT IT TODAY.
OKAY, I WANNA FOLLOW ON UM, COMMISSIONER STANDARDS QUESTIONS.
UM, PROCEDURALLY WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GET TO PERMITTING AND THEY CAN'T HIT THE LOT COVERAGE? IS THERE A NON-CONFORMING USE EXCEPTION THAT COMES INTO PLAY? I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN DID TO MY UNDERSTANDING.
SORRY FOR CUTTING JENNIFER OFF.
UH, THIS STRUCTURE IS EXISTING AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE CHECK RIGHT NOW IF THE STRUCTURE IS CONFORMING OR NOT.
WHAT WE'RE CHECKING RIGHT NOW IS THE USE THE INTERIOR REMODELING THAT KICKS IN A DIFFERENT USE.
SO IT'S A CONVERSATION BETWEEN AN AN EXISTING BUILDING AND A NEW BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED WHAT CAME IN FRONT OF US TODAY.
NOT THE LOT COVERAGE BUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS INSIDE THE HOUSE.
SO MY QUESTION IS AT WHAT POINT IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, WILL THIS SITE BE EVALUATED FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LOT COVERAGE OF THE UNDERLYING ZONING? I DON'T THINK EVER, BUT I IF TO SOMEBODY WHO'S MORE BEHIND MIND, UH, I DON'T THINK EVER IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1942 AND THAT'S IT.
SO YOU HAVE NON-CONFORMING TO DESIGN STANDARDS OR DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND THEN YOU HAVE NON-CONFORMING TO USE.
SO I THINK MY QUESTION'S SUPER TECHNICAL.
IF WE APPROVE A ZONING CHANGE, THEN THE NON-CONFORMING USE, I AGREE LIKE IT EX IT'S EXISTED FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
IF WE APPROVE A NEW ZONING UNDERLYING ZONE FOR THIS SITE, DO THEY LOSE THEIR NON-CONFORMING STATUS BECAUSE IT PREVIOUSLY RAN WITH A DIFFERENT ZONING CATEGORY AND IT HAS TO BE EVALUATED FRESH? I MEAN I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY.
THERE ARE TWO, WELL, NO, THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF NON-CONFORMITY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A NON-CONFORMING USE, WHICH THEY DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE.
THEY HAVE ANY LEGAL LAND USE RIGHT NOW.
WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO, IF THERE'S ANY NON-CONFORMITY WOULD BE TO THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO, SO LONG AS THEY HAVEN'T MODIFIED THAT STRUCTURE OR ELIMINATED THE NON-CONFORMITY ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES, THEN THEY WOULD STILL APPLY.
IT IS UP TO THEM TO PROVE THAT THEY DO HAVE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE THOUGH.
OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO THERE'S NON-CONFORMING USE AND NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE WHICH EXISTS TODAY AND THEY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GET THAT TREATMENT AS A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE EVEN IF WE CHANGE THE UNDERLYING ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
RIGHT? IT'S TREATED DIFFERENTLY FROM THE LAND USE.
BUT THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THEM TO PROVE NONCONFORMITY IN EITHER CASE.
SO I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE SITE MAP, THERE SEEMS TO BE A PROPERTY JUST NORTH, MAYBE SKIP A COUPLE HOUSES AND THEN GO NORTH.
THAT ALSO APPEARS TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL LOT COVERAGE.
MS. MUNOZ, DID YOU LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR EVALUATION? MY EVALUATION DOES NOT CONSIDER THE ADJOINING PROPERTIES LAW COVERAGE.
I DIDN'T EVEN, WASN'T EVEN ABLE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW THIS SITE IS REALLY OVERBUILT COMPARED TO THE UNDERLYING EXISTING ZONING.
NOT DID YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION YOUR EVALUATION, BUT WHEN YOU WENT TO THIS SITE, DID YOU NOTICE THAT THERE WERE OTHER LOCATIONS CLOSE BY THAT APPEARED
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TO HAVE A MORE THAN SORT OF 25% LOT COVERAGE? AS YOU CAN PROBABLY TELL FROM VIEWING THE AERIAL MAP, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T SEE FROM THE STREET LEVEL TO THIS PROPERTY ITSELF.WHAT YOU DO NOTICE IS SOMETHING THAT I DID READ IN SOME OF THE COMMENT LETTERS FROM NEIGHBORS.
THERE IS NO FRONT YARD HERE, THEY DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPING.
THEY PARK THERE THAT IS NOTICEABLE FROM THE STREET, BUT THE DEPTH OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, YOU CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE STREET.
SO TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T REALLY CAUSE ANY VISUAL OR AESTHETIC HARM WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE STREET.
AND I COULD NOT TELL THAT OTHER PROPERTIES ARE OVERBUILT IN NATURE.
CAN I MAKE A CLARIFICATION? APOLOGIES.
THE PROPOSED MULTI-FAMILY TWO IS 60.
BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT WILL STILL BE CONSIDERED A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
TECHNICALLY, IF THEY CAN, WHAT JENNIFER'S SAYING, IF THEY CAN PROVE IT AT PERMITTING WHEN NEED COMES TECHNICALLY, BUT THEY NEED TO PROVE THAT AND NOT TO US, BUT TO PERMITTING PROVE THAT IT'S A NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.
YES, THEY NEED, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY UNLESS THEY WERE EXPANDING THEIR SQUARE FOOTAGE IN SOME WAY.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING REALLY FAR INTO PERMIT ISSUES FOR HOW THEY WILL DECIDE WHAT'S KEEPING, WHEN REALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LAND USE, WHICH IS THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DABBLING INTO PERMITTING, WHICH IS BASED ON THE INTERIOR REMODEL AND NOT THE EXPANSION OF FLOOR AREA.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON.
UM, I'M ALSO, UM, I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT COMMISSIONER POPKIN PUT INTO THIS.
I THINK MY BIGGEST HESITATION ON SUPPORT IS THAT WE MAY NOT BE SERVING THIS APPLICANT WELL BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY GET TO PERMITTING AND IF THERE'S GOING TO BE ISSUES THAT ARISE OUT OF THAT.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT MANY TIMES I'M THE FIRST ONE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THAT'S A QUESTION THAT WILL NEED TO BE RE UM, PROVIDED AT PERMITTING OR RESOLVED AT PERMITTING.
UM, I TEND TO LEAN TOWARDS SUPPORT.
I WILL SAY I'M PROBABLY MORE OF A MIXED RECORD ON SUPPORTING INCREASES IN SINGLE FAMILY ZONING AREAS, BUT I DO THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY.
UM, AND WE, I THINK, ARE WORKING TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE ACCOMMODATE MORE FLEXIBILITY WITHIN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS, PARTICULARLY OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND, UM, I THINK I WILL ON BALANCE, UM, BE SUPPORTING THIS REQUEST BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES TRY TO STRIKE THAT BALANCE.
AND I AM, UM, OPTIMISTIC THAT WHEN YOU DO MOVE FORWARD AND ARE WITH PERMITTING, THAT ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARISE OUT OF THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE RESOLVED.
COMMISSIONER HINTON, SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER YOUNG AM I, IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF? AM I RIGHT? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THE APPLICANT HAS VOLUNTEERED A DEED RESTRICTION TO ONE PARTICULAR USE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON THE PROPERTY CANNOT OBTAIN A PERMIT AS A G R F, AM I RIGHT? THE ONLY RECOURSE WILL BE A FURTHER ZONING CHANGE OR BOARDED UP.
THAT'S WHY I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT BOARD DOES.
WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY ADDING TO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT CHANGE USES OTHER THAN ONLY PERMITTING A GROUP RESIDENTIAL BEYOND THE, THE BASE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT? I WOULD MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT ANY OTHER LAND USE THAT'S PERMITTED IN THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WOULD REMAIN, WELL, NOT, NOT IF HE DEEDED RESTRICTS TO G R F ONLY.
CAN YOU QUESTION CLARIFY WHAT THE, WHAT ARE THE DE RESTRICTIONS EXACTLY, BECAUSE TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS FROM THE ADDED USES OF THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT ONLY PERMIT YOUR RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
I I, BUT THAT WOULD STILL REMAIN ALL EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT INSTITUTIONAL USES AND SUCH.
THAT'S NOT, NOT HOW I HEARD THE VOLUNTEER DEEDED RESTRICTION.
CAN, CAN WE PLEASE CLARIFY? WE'LL BENEFIT THE, THE APPLICANT.
I HAD THE SAME QUESTION MYSELF.
SO CAN WE PLEASE CLARIFY? DO WE HAVE MULTI-FAMILY AND THEN DOWN TO R AND ADD ONLY GROUP RESIDENTIAL, OR IS IT JUST THIS ONLY USE AND SINGLE FAMILY IS NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE? I'M NOT THE ONE TO ASK
THAT'S WHY I ASK AND BENEFIT TO HEAR THIS CLEARLY FROM THE APPLICANT DEFENSE.
UDIA, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY
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THAT THE INTENT OF THE DEBT RESTRICTION IS TO MAINTAIN THE UNDERLYING RESIDENTIAL OR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT USES AND ADD ONLY THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY USE ON IT OR SO YES.OR TO ALLOW ON THIS PROPERTY ONLY ONE USE ONLY, WHICH IS GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, MEANING NO SINGLE FAMILY USES ARE ALLOWED, NO SINGLE FAMILY USES ALLOWED IS IS SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT NOW.
SO WE WOULD, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THE WAY THAT THE RESTRICTION FUNCTIONS IS BASICALLY THE UNDERLYING ZONING IS GONNA BE AN MF AND THEN WE ELIMINATE ALL THE USES IN AN MF AND WE ONLY ALLOW GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY AND THEN KEEP ALL THE RS.
I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT OF HIS DUE RESTRICTIONS, IF I'M TO UNDERSTAND.
YES, I AGREEABLE TO MODIFY THE MOTION.
I AGREE WITH THAT AS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT, MR. KINGSTON.
UH, AND, UH, AS THE PERSON WHO SECONDED IT, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE SPENT TWO OR SO HOURS TODAY IN A STAFF BRIEFING WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE US THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW ADULT IN CHILD DAYCARE IN ALL RESIDENTIAL AREAS WITHOUT SO MUCH AS AN S U P WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY COULD REPL A WHOLE BLOCK AND MAKE IT A RESIDENTIAL A A, UH, DAYCARE THAT OPERATES 24 HOURS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD OR IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO I, I GUESS I'M STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH HOW WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THAT AND ON THE SAME DAY AND, AND WE CHASE OUR TAILS AROUND HERE TRYING TO EKE OUT A LITTLE BIT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE AND A LITTLE BIT OF FEE THERE, HOPING ONE DAY WE'LL CATCH THE 80,000 AFFORDABLE UNITS WE NEED.
AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET THERE, FOLKS.
AND WE'VE GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A GROUP FACILITY, WHICH WE ALWAYS NEED, AND THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
AND AS THE PEOPLE IN PEAKS EDITION CAN TELL YOU THEY'VE DONE THEIR SHARE.
SO THIS IS A, THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR IT.
IT'S MUCH CLOSER TO THE VA THAN A LOT OF OTHER PLACES.
AND EVEN IF THIS IS NOT, I, I'M NOT REALLY BASING THIS ON THE OPERATOR BECAUSE THIS MAY NOT BE A VETERAN'S FACILITY IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT IS STILL A NEED WE HAVE.
AND IT'S MUCH LIKE THE NEED WE SPENT TWO HOURS TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
AND SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN A SINGLE FAMILY AREA, ALL OF THESE TYPES OF INDUSTRIAL, I'M SORRY, INSTITUTIONAL USES OR HOWEVER YOU WANNA CHARACTERIZE THEM, THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR OUR SOCIETY TO EXIST AND, AND FOR PEOPLE IN OUR SOCIETY TO THRIVE, HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
AND WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO SAY, BUT NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THAT, THAT IS TRUE FOR A LOT OF THINGS.
AND I, I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS POPULAR WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE.
UH, THAT WILL PROBABLY CALL ME LATER AFTER HEARING THIS.
BUT IT, THIS HAS, THIS BUILDING HAS EXISTED SINCE THE 1940S.
WE'RE APPROACHING A HUNDRED YEARS.
UM, AND IT IS SERVING A NEED THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS, WHETHER IT'S FOR VETERANS OR OTHER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NEED THIS.
AND I GUESS THE HURDLE AT PERMITTING IS WHAT THEY NEED A CO BECAUSE I'M NOT HEARING THEM SAY THEY'RE GONNA BUILD ANYTHING.
IS THAT A QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER AT PERMITTING IS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE BEEN TOLD STAY IN YOUR LANE.
SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S NOT QUITE IN OUR LANE.
UM, I DO THINK IT'S VALUABLE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION IF WE CAN SOLVE IT HERE.
I'M NOT HEARING SOMEBODY SAY THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM, REALLY.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR.
BUT WHILE I, I PERSONALLY LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FOLKS ON THIS COMMISSION VEHEMENTLY BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO EVERY AND ANYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT SINGLE AND FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
AT SOME POINT THOUGH, THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AS A FUNCTIONING SOCIETY AND THEY HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
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SOMETIMES THAT MIGHT MEAN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AND AS, AS THIS EXISTS AND IS PROVIDING A NEEDED SERVICE.AND AS I'M NOT HEARING ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO VOTE AGAINST THIS, HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THESE NINE PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO, I, I I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER JOINING ME AND COMMISSIONER POPKIN IN SUPPORTING THIS.
COMMISSIONER TREAD WEIK AROUND.
I WILL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE HARD WORK TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION.
MY CONCERN IS THAT I DON'T WANT THIS TO CREATE FALSE HOPE AND SOMETHING HAPPENS AT PERMITTING, AND I THINK I'LL JUST SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTIONS ARE COMING FROM.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS GREAT.
YOU INHERITED THIS PROPERTY, YOU DIDN'T BUILD IT.
WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF AN IMPERFECT SITUATION, BUT I AM FEARFUL THAT YOU WILL GET PAST US AND MAYBE PAST THE NEXT ROUND AT CITY COUNCIL AND THEN SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN AT PERMITTING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTIONS ARE, ARE, ARE TRYING TO INFER, ARE WE GOING TO SET YOU UP FOR SUCCESS HERE? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GET PAST US AND THEN IT NOT GO FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? STICK AROUND A VERY QUICK ONE.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS AND THAT I UNDERSTAND.
THEREFORE, IF FOR ANY REASON MR. MITCHELL WENT TO OR WAS FORCED TO AT ANY POINT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IT COULD BE A SINGLE, IT WOULD BE OPTIONAL, A SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTY.
WOULD IT ALSO BE A GROUP HOME PROPERTY TO WHOMEVER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY? I JUST WANT TO YES.
SO THE ONLY THINGS THEY COULD DO IS EITHER SINGLE FAMILY OR A GROUP.
RESIDENTIAL IS ALL THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER R 7.5, WHICH ARE PROBABLY, AND WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS, LIKE A POOL WITH AN S C P OR WHATEVER.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER POPKIN, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER KINGSTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL FALSE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT RATHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR MF TWO A WITH THE DEEDED RESTRICTIONS THAT IS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT IN REGARDS TO HEIGHT SET AT 30 FEET.
AND THE USE, UH, LIMITED TO THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
MS. PINA, CAN WE TAKE A RECORD VOTE PLEASE.
AND R 75 USES, PARDON ME? DISTRICT ONE? YES.
AND IN PLACE? 15 OUT OF THE ROOM.
VOTING IN FAVOR OUTTA THE ROOM.
WE'LL MOVE, KEEP GOING TO CASE NUMBER EIGHT, MS. MUNOZ.
UH, CASE NUMBER EIGHT IS AN APPLICATION FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT ON PROPERTY ZONE SUBDISTRICT.
ONE WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 6 21, THE OLD TRINITY N DESIGN DISTRICT ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF IRVING BOULEVARD AND THE SOUTHWEST LINE OF MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD NORTHWEST OF OAKLAWN AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, A REVISED EXHIBIT 6 21 B AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MUNOZ.
I SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND READY TO GO.
UH, I LIVE AT 4 6 0 5 BLUFF VIEW BOULEVARD, AND I'M THE FOUNDER OF QUADRANT INVESTMENT PROPERTIES, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPER, UM, FOR THE SIDE IN QUESTION.
TODAY WE'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING, UM, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR HEARING US, AND ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR THE MULTIPLE TRIPS AND TIME SHE HAS SPENT, UH, UNDERSTANDING OF
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THE PROJECT AND, UM, HELPING SORT OF GUIDE US TO HERE.UH, I'M HERE TO, TO JUST PROVIDE A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THIS PROJECT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UH, JUST TO HELP THAT THE COMMISSIONER'S UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, MY COMPANY CAME DOWN IN 2018 AND STARTED STUDYING IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT, REALLY UNDER THE GUISE OF AN URBAN ADJACENT, UH, OPPORTUNITY WHERE WE HAVE A INCREDIBLE NEIGHBORHOOD, A GREAT CANVAS, UM, IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT WITH NO CLASS A OFFICE.
UM, WE LOOKED AT FULTON MARKET IN CHICAGO, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, OR LIKE EAST AUSTIN, AND SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REALLY TAKE A CONTE, UH, CONTEXTUAL, UH, APPROACH TO OUR DESIGN, TRY TO INTEGRATE INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, AND COMPLEMENT IT WITH CLASS A OFFICE AND IN SOME CASES MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHAT WE'RE FLIPPING THROUGH HERE ARE SOME IMAGES OF, UH, OF THE OVERALL STRATEGY.
IT INCLUDES MIXED USE, WHICH IS THE MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, WHICH IS A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UM, ON ONE BLOCK.
UH, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE BEFORE AND AFTER OF WHAT WE'VE DONE.
UM, AND THEN YOU CAN, WE'D LIKE TO SHOW QUICKLY THE IMAGES OF OUR TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BOTH OF WHICH WILL COMPLETE THIS YEAR.
UH, 1333 IS A 10 STORY, UH, BUILDING FIVE LEVELS OF OFFICE, OVER FIVE OF PARKING WITH A RESTAURANT ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
AND RIVER EDGE IS FIVE LEVELS OF OFFICE WITH MULTIPLE RESTAURANTS.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE FOCUSED ON A VERY HOSPITALITY DRIVEN DESIGN.
UM, THE SITE IN QUESTION, WHICH WE REFER TO AS MARKET CENTER, UH, WAS REALLY MEANT, UH, TO BRING ALL OF THESE SITES TOGETHER, UH, WITH A WALKABLE MIXED USE EXPERIENCE BETWEEN THE, THE DIFFERENT SITES.
UH, TORI, YOU MIGHT SHOW THE HERO SHOT HERE.
UM, THIS IMAGE SH AND WE KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THESE QUICKLY, BUT THIS IMAGE SHOWS YOU SORT OF ALL THESE, THE FRONT THREE SITES, UM, AND HOW THEY'RE MEANT TO ULTIMATELY TIE TOGETHER.
UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT FROM MY END.
I THINK, UM, TORI'S GONNA SPEAK FOR A SECOND ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS.
VICTORIA MORRIS, 2323 ROSS AVENUE WITH, UH, JACKSON WALKER.
UH, WHEN WE BEGAN THIS APPLICATION PROCESS, THE GOAL WAS TO MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY'S CURRENT ZONING AND UTILIZE THE EXISTING AND CAREFULLY THOUGHT OUT DESIGN ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY INTEGRAL TO THE PD.
UM, IT'S A BIT COMPLEX, BUT ALL OF THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICTS USE A COMBINATION OF THESE MECHANISMS TO GAIN INCREMENTAL BOOSTS TO THEIR PROJECTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF A DEVELOPMENT PROVIDES CERTAIN PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, THEY CAN ADD 12 FEET, OR IF THEY PROVIDE OPEN SPACE, THEY CAN ALSO ADD ANOTHER 40 FEET.
UM, INSTEAD OF HAVING THOSE INCREMENTAL INCREASES FOR HEIGHT, WE, UH, IDENTIFIED A SPECIFIC MAXIMUM HEIGHT AND WANTED TO COMMIT TO SPECIFIC DESIGN ENHANCEMENTS.
THIS WAS TO ENSURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RECEIVED, UH, EXPLICIT BENEFITS AS A PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
UH, THIS AGAIN, IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT WITH OFFICE OR MULTIFAMILY USES.
AND THERE'S PRECEDENT NOT ONLY IN THE PD, BUT ALSO JUST OUR BASE ZONING CODE PD.
UH, 6 21 STATES THAT A MIXED USE PROJECT MEANS A DEVELOPMENT ON A SINGLE BUILDING SITE THAT CONTAINS MORE THAN ONE USE.
WE ARE NOT ONLY COMMITTING TO OFFICE OR MULTIFAMILY, BUT ALSO TO ADDITIONAL PERMITTED USES.
UM, AND 51 A ALSO DEFINES MIXED USE PROJECT, UH, AS, UM, INCLUDING ONE OF FOUR CATEGORIES, UH, SORRY, EXCUSE ME, TWO OF FOUR CATEGORIES, LODGING, OFFICE, RESIDENTIAL OR RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE.
OUR APPLICATION INCLUDES A COMMITMENT TO RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICE ON THE GROUND FLOOR AS ACTIVATING USES.
AND THAT'S WHAT BRINGS US TO THE AREA PLANS.
UH, THE MOST RECENT AREA PLAN, THE 360 PLAN FROM MOST RECENTLY UPDATED IN 2017 STATES THAT AS THE DESIGN DISTRICT CONTINUES TO GROW AND DIVERSIFY, IT IS NECESSARY TO RETAIN ITS INDUSTRIOUS CREATIVE ENERGY FOR ITS CONTINUED SUCCESS.
A COUPLE OF THE OTHER LAND USE PLANS THAT STAFF MENTIONED, THE STEMMONS DESIGN DISTRICT PLAN, THIS WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED, UM, OR THE PD WAS ADOPTED AFTER THIS PLAN WAS.
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ENCAPSULATED THE INTENT OF THOSE AREA PLANS.AND WHILE WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THESE PLANS REFERENCE RES RESIDENTIAL USES, UM, THOSE REFERENCES ARE APPLICABLE TO THE BROAD AREAS AS A WHOLE.
AND TO THAT END, AS MS. MUN MUNOZ STATED, UM, IN HER WORDS THAT THERE IS A MASSIVE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT JUST TO THE NORTH AND SEVERAL OTHERS IN THE DISTRICT AS WELL.
UM, THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS RELATIVELY NEW TO RESIDENTIAL USES AND IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT WE KEEP FLEXIBILITY OF OFFICE OR MULTIFAMILY AND NOT REQUIRING ONE OR THE OTHER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, SUZANNE KEDRON, 2323 ROSS AVENUE.
JUST HAVE A FEW POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S LANGUAGE THAT OUR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, UM, CAREFULLY CRAFTED WITH, UH, FILLER.
WHEN YOUR CHIEF ARBORIST, UM, IT DOES ALLOW FOR A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN LANDSCAPING, BUT WHAT IT DOES PROVIDE IS REQUIRING CERTAIN TREES ON SITE AND MAKING SURE THAT THE APP THAT THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER CANNOT PAY INTO THE FUND AND ACTUALLY PLANT THOSE TREES ON SITE.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE MULTI-FAMILY PARKING, UM, ALTHOUGH WE APPRECIATE THE KIND OF DISCOUNTED PARKING THAT STAFF OFFERED AT A HALF, UH, UNIT PER DWELLING UNIT A HALF SPOT PER DWELLING UNIT, WE DO THINK THAT THE ONE SPOT PER DWELLING UNIT IS MORE APPROPRIATE AND ASK THAT THAT BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A 10% GUEST REQUIREMENT.
WHAT THAT DOES IS ACTUALLY INCREASE THE GUEST PARKING ON THE SITE, WHICH WE THINK WILL ADD TO THE VIBRANCE AND THE ABILITY TO PARK THIS NEW MIXED USE PROJECT.
UH, WERE YOU REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE MIXED USE ASPECT OF THE PROJECT? YOU HEARD, UH, MS. MORRIS TALK ABOUT IT EARLIER? UH, THIS IS REALLY A DISTRICT THAT HAS GROWN UP WITH THINGS SUCH AS BREWERIES, FURNITURE, ASSEMBLY AND PAINTING, WHOLESALE BAKERIES BESIDE IT.
UH, INDUSTRIAL THREE, THREE D PRINTING, GLASS GLOWING, UH, CHANDELIER RESTORATION.
AND WE LIKE THOSE USES AND WE WANT TO KEEP ALL OF THOSE BASE USES INTACT.
UM, WHAT WE DID, UM, IN PROPOSITION FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECT IS FURTHER CURATE THAT LIST TO USES THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SPECIAL PROJECT, BUT AGAIN, WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE EXISTING BASE USES THAT ARE IN THE PD AND ALLOW FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT TO HAVE MULTIFAMILY OR OFFICE AS A USE IN THE SPECIAL PROJECT.
WE'RE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAK? COMMISSIONER RED WHITE, PLEASE.
THE FIRST GENTLEMAN, CAN YOU COME BACK AND PUT YOUR SLIDE UP THAT SHOWS YOUR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT? OKAY.
SO I THINK THE DESIGN DISTRICT'S GREAT.
UM, BUT I'M SAD THAT IT APPEARS THAT YOU WERE JUST GONNA DEMOLISH THE EXISTING STRUCTURES ON THIS SITE.
IS THAT CORRECT? WITH THIS PLAN? YES MA'AM.
WITH THIS WHAT, SO THERE, THERE'S NO REUSE HERE, THERE'S NO ADAPTIVE REUSE.
SO ON YOUR OTHER PROJECTS, CAN YOU JUST WALK ME THROUGH, UM, IF THEY WERE ADAPTIVE REUSE OR IF THEY'RE COMPLETELY NEW CONSTRUCTION? SO WE'LL NOTE A COUPLE THINGS.
UM, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE BEEN BIG, HAVE BEEN BIG PROPONENTS OF ADAPTIVE REUSE, WE BELIEVE TO REALLY CREATE THIS SORT OF NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL THAT YOU SEE.
WE DO NEED SOME MIX OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO REPLACE SOME OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UH, THE MANUFACTURING DISTRICT, UH, WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE REAL QUICK, DORY.
SO THIS WAS NINE DIFFERENT ACQUISITIONS THAT WE MADE, UM, THAT YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE TRANSFORMATIONS.
THESE ARE DIRECT BEFORE AND AFTER IMAGES OF HOW WE ADDRESS THE BUILDINGS, CREATING TENANT, UH, TENANT AREAS FOR THEM TO GATHER.
UM, THIS WAS AN OLD RAIL SPUR BEHIND US HERE.
UM, SO OUR FIRST APPROACH IS TO, TO LOOK AT AN ASSET AND DETERMINE IF WE CAN RENOVATE IT AND, AND MAKE IT WORK.
UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS SITE DUE TO THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION, THE LAYOUT OF THE BUILDINGS, THE PRICE THAT WAS REQUIRED TO OBTAIN THIS SITE, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY THAT IT WAS ECONOMIC ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
SO WE TRIED TO DESIGN THE SITE TO COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE REUSING, UH, A LOT OF THE BRICK FROM THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND OUR, FOR OUR PAVERS AND OUR COMMON AREAS.
UH, WE HAVE STEEL WE'VE IDENTIFIED RELOCATED FROM ANOTHER SITE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE.
SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO REUSE AS MUCH OF THE MATERIALS AS WE CAN TO HELP, YOU KNOW, KIND OF KEEP THAT CHARACTER.
SO THE PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE SHOWING UP HERE, HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE RESIDENTIAL? NONE OF THESE PROJECTS HAVE RESIDENTIAL
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AND YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO RESIDENTIAL FOR THIS ONE? NO, MA'AM.WE HAVE ACTUALLY SPENT A SIGNIFICANT, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME LOOKING AT RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S JUST NOT ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE AT THIS TIME.
UH, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON WE, WE DID WANT TO INCLUDE IT AS AN OPTION FOR THE SITE.
IF AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE IT IS, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT.
BUT TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL ON THIS SITE REQUIRES A HIGH RISE, UM, BASED ON THE COST OF THE LAND.
AND THERE ARE NO COMPARABLES THAT MAKE THAT WORK.
UH, THERE'S LITERALLY NO WAY TO GET IT OUT OF THE GROUND.
BUT YOU REFER TO IT AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT RESIDENTIAL CURRENTLY, YES.
I GUESS MY DEFINITION OF A NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY MORE OF A SUBDISTRICT WHERE TENANTS WILL GATHER, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, HOUSEWRIGHT, HAMPTON.
I DON'T MIND BEING A DIFFERENT NAME.
I, I WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THIS BECAUSE YOU HEARD ME AT THE BRIEFING.
I'M SURE, I GUESS WHAT MY ISSUE IS THIS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GONNA BE STRAIGHTFORWARD ABOUT IT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE WHAT I CALL QUOTE ZONING GRABS THAT YOU GET ALL THESE OPTIONS AND YET THERE'S NO COMMITMENT.
AND YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF ASK HERE.
YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, WELL, WE CAN'T DO MULTI-FAMILY.
I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY ONE BUILDING COULDN'T BE MULTIFAMILY AND YOU COULD MAKE THAT WORK.
THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME WHEN WE NEED THIS IN DALLAS.
WE ARE PROMOTING LIVE WHERE YOU WORK.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A MANDATE HERE.
YOU'VE SAID YOU'VE ALREADY BUILT BUILDINGS WITH NO RESIDENTIAL, AND YET THIS IS, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY A LOT OF SQUARE FEET THAT COULD ABSORB THIS AND THIS THING OF THE EITHER OR AND YOU HAVING EVERY OPTION IN THE WORLD.
AND WE'VE USED OUR PLANNERS TO PUT IN ALL THE M I H B AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER.
AND YET THE WHOLE TIME YOU'RE REALLY DOING OFFICE.
I MEAN, MY FEELING IS I LIKE THE STAFF'S THING.
WHY ARE YOU SO AGAINST RESIDENTIAL? DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE IN 18 STORIES? IT CAN'T WORK.
WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE WITH 18 STORIES, IT DOESN'T WORK.
THERE'S NOT A COMPARABLE, UM, TO JUSTIFY BUILDING IT.
THERE'S NO LENDER THAT WOULD APPROVE A LOAN ON IT EVEN BEFORE THE CURRENT TIMES.
AND THERE'S NOT AN EQUITY PARTNER THAT WOULD FUND IT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARABLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THERE'S REALLY ONLY ONE THAT HAS A NORMAL SIZE MULTIFAMILY, THE LEY, UM, THOSE RENTS ARE ROUGHLY HALF OF WHAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE TO JUSTIFY NEW CONSTRUCTION.
OBVIOUSLY NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE NICER, BUT I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ON THIS.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO MULTIFAMILY.
UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN, AN ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE MODEL TO MAKE IT WORK.
I I, I GUESS I'M NOT GONNA GET IN AN ARGUMENT ABOUT IT, BUT I GUESS I HAVE TO SAY, AFTER SITTING ON HERE FOR TWO YEARS, WE SEE MULTIFAMILY ALL THE TIME IN, IN FACT MUCH HIGHER GROUND AREAS THAT ARE BEING BUILT AT THAT HEIGHT.
I MEAN, AND HERE WE'VE GOT THIS GLUT OF OFFICE SPACE IN DALLAS, AND YOUR IDEA IS TO TAKE A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET COVERAGE AND BUILD MORE OFFICE BUILDINGS.
I, I, I, YOU KNOW, AND WITH NO EXPLANATION, I DON'T SEE THAT AS AN EXPLANATION.
I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE MY IDEA IS TO GO WITH STAFF AND SAY, YOU SHOULD BE REQUIRED IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THIS GREAT BIG SIGN, YOU WANT TO HAVE LESS TREES, YOU WANT TO HAVE LESS PARKING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU WANT ALL THIS STUFF.
AND WHAT ARE WE GETTING AS THE CITY IN GIVING YOU THIS ZONING? I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION.
AND I KNOW THAT'S RHETORICAL, SO I SHOULDN'T ASK IT.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK SEEING DEVELOPMENT DONE THE RIGHT WAY.
I MEAN, THE ASK WE DIDN'T FEEL WAS OVERLY EGREGIOUS ON HEIGHT.
WE KNOW OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE LOOKED TO DO MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE, UM, HEIGHT, BUT YOU GOT 50 MORE FEET, LET'S BE HONEST, YOU BASICALLY GOT 50 MORE FEET THAN YOU WOULD HAVE.
WHICH HELPS ENABLE US TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS PLAN.
UM, I WOULD THINK SEEING POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT, UH, INCREASES THE TAX BASE.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO SEE THIS WORK, EVEN IF IT DOESN'T HAVE MULTI-FAMILY ATTACHED.
WELL, WHAT ARE WE GETTING? YOU SAID THAT WHAT YOU'RE GIVING IS THE BENEFIT, AND I'M REPEATING WHAT I REPEATED THIS MORNING, BUT I'M GONNA REPEAT IT AGAIN.
CONCEALED PARKING ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
WELL, IS THAT A REAL GIVE? I MEAN, WE REQUIRE THAT.
WE, WE USUALLY ARE LOOKING FOR UNDERGROUND, YOU KNOW, AND I GUESS I'M, I'M SAYING WHERE IS THE GIVE ON THINGS?
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THE OPEN SPACE IS MINIMAL AT MOST ABOUT 10% OF THE AREA.THERE'S NOT ONE THING YOU'VE SAID EV CHARGING THAT'S NOT A BIG BENEFIT.
WE'RE REQUIRING THAT JUST AS STANDARD.
SO I DON'T SEE, I, I DON'T SEE WHERE THIS IS SPECIAL IN ANY WAY.
I DON'T SEE THIS AS A SPECIAL PROJECT IN ANY WAY.
SO, UH, TO SPEAK TO THE DEVELOPMENT BONUSES SPECIFICALLY, THESE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE EXISTING PD AS IT IS TODAY.
WE WEREN'T TRYING TO REINVENT ANY PARTICULAR WHEEL.
UM, SPECIFICALLY EACH OF THESE BONUSES, STREET LEVEL PARKING STRUCTURE, CONCEALMENT CAN ALLOTT A DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT.
PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES CAN ALLOT 12 FEET IN HEIGHT.
ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING SPACE SPACES CAN GIVE 15 FEET IN HEIGHT AND OPEN SPACE, ADMITTEDLY, IF IT'S ONLY 1000 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT GIVES 40 TH 40 FEET IN HEIGHT.
SO COLLECTIVELY, THE, THE BONUSES THAT WE ARE GIVING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WOULD EQUATE TO 103 FEET IN HEIGHT, AND WE ARE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL 50.
AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR WAIVERS OF THINGS.
YOU WANT 20 FEET OF MECHANICALS, EXTENDING NOT THE 12 FEET THAT WE NORMALLY DO.
YOU AGAIN, YOU WANT LESS TREES.
PARKING, I CAN COMMENT PARKING TO THE MECHANICAL, THAT 12 FEET WAS NORMAL WITH AN INDUSTRIAL USE AND THE KIND OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S ON TOP OF AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
THESE, OUR AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ARE 16 FEET TALL AND THEY SIT ON A TWO FOOT CURB.
SIR, WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS DOWNTOWN WITH COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, 12 FEET AND WITH APARTMENT BUILDINGS.
AND I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GIFT FROM US AND NOT A LOT OF GET IN YOUR PLAN FOR THE CITY COMMISSIONER HOUSEWRIGHT.
UH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR MS. MORRIS OR MS. KEDRON.
UM, AFTER READING THE, UM, STAFF REPORT, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRACKING, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING THE OPEN SPACE APPROACH.
SO I, I READ ABOUT THE 10% REQUIREMENT, AND THEN I READ ABOUT THE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, AND THEN I READ ABOUT 250 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE OPEN SPACE, AND THEN ANOTHER TWO 50.
AND SO SORT IT ALL OUT FOR ME.
TELL ME HOW MUCH OPEN SPACE IS IN THIS PLAN, SPECIFIC TO THIS PLAN.
I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S SORTED OUT JUST YET.
UM, BUT THE COMMITMENT IS TO A MINIMUM OF 1000 SQUARE FEET OF THAT 250 SQUARE FEET, LIKE YOU SAID.
UM, LET ME PULL UP THE SPECIFICS.
UM, 25% OF THAT LAND AREA PER THE RESTRICTIONS OF THE PD MUST BE IMPROVED TO PROVIDE SHADE USING TREES, AWNING, SHADE STRUCTURES, ET CETERA.
ANOTHER 25% OF THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE IMPROVED WITH PLANTING SCULPTURES, POOLS, OR SIMILAR FEATURES.
UH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, LET ME JUST, UH, FLIP TO ONE OF THE IMAGES THAT HELPS ILLUSTRATE THIS PEO AREA.
SO THIS IS, UM, THE PEO AREA THAT WILL HAVE ALL THOSE GROUND FLOOR ACTIVATING RETAIL USES AND PERSONAL SERVICE AND RESTAURANTS.
UM, AND THESE LANDSCAPINGS HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, ACCOUNTED FOR IN TERMS OF OUR, UM, LANDSCAPING SPECIFICALLY, BUT THEY WILL BE INCLUDED AS, UH, PART OF THIS CONFIGURATION.
IT JUST HASN'T BEEN SPECIFICALLY DES DESIGNED.
SO IF I COULD CONTINUE MY QUESTIONS THEN THE PD THAT, I'M GONNA CALL IT, THE BASE PD, THAT THEN YOU'RE CREATING A SUBDISTRICT WITHIN THE, THE BASE PD REQUIRED 10% OPEN SPACE, DID IT NOT? I BELIEVE THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IF I DO THE MATH ON A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET ON 180,000 SQUARE FOOT SITE, THAT'S, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S LIKE HALF A PERCENT.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE GONE FROM A, A, A PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PD IN THIS PART OF TOWN THAT ASKED FOR 10% OPEN SPACE, AND YOUR APPLICATION IS SOMETHING LESS THAN 1% OPEN SPACE.
AM I FOLLOWING, AM I STATING THIS CORRECTLY? SORRY.
SO THE OPEN SPACE PROVISION IS ACTUALLY JUST SPECIFIC TO THIS HIGH BONUS SECTION, AND IT FEATURES THOSE, UM, ENHANCEMENTS THAT I HAD MENTIONED.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY FIVE POINT, EXCUSE ME WHILE I GET TO THE BEGINNING PORTION OF IT.
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IT IS, UH, 6 21 0.109, UH, 5.1 G.AND SO THAT 1000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND AREA FOR THIS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE SPECIFICALLY HAS VARIOUS REQUIREMENTS SUCH AS THE 25% THAT YOU ARE SU UH, THE TWO SECTIONS OF 25% LAND AREA, UH, IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES THINGS LIKE SEATING AREAS, WATER FEATURES, PUBLIC ART.
SO WHILE THE LOT COVERAGE DOESN'T NECESSARILY ADDRESS THAT 10%, THE, UH, THIS IS JUST SPECIFIC TO PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE.
UH, LET ME, ONE, ONE OTHER QUESTION, AND IT'S GONNA GO BACK TO THE TREE, UH, ISSUE THAT WAS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY.
UM, IF THERE WAS MORE OPEN SPACE, THEN PRESUMABLY IT WOULD BE EASIER TO MEET THE TREE COUNT.
IS THAT LOGICAL? I THINK THE TREE COUNT ISSUE COMES MORE INTO PLAY WHEN THERE ARE UTILITIES, UH, A ALONG THE PROPERTY THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO COMPLY WITH.
CAN I DEFER TO YEAH, I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM WITH THAT SPECIFICALLY.
HI, BRIAN DERMAN, 7 1 1 9 HAVERFORD ROAD, DALLAS, TEXAS.
UM, I WAS THE DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND IS THE TWO PROJECTS YOU SEE THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION, ONE ON OAK LAWN AND ONE ON OUR RIVER EDGE.
WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PERMITTING PHASE.
WE GOT THROUGH THAT PHASE, UH, WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND THE ARBORIST, AND KNEW ALL THE CHALLENGES.
SO WE DEVELOPED A PLAN WITH OUR DESIGN TEAM AND BASED ON THE CONSTRAINTS OF, AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE, REALLY SITTING DOWN WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL AND UNDERSTANDING THE FLOW PATTERNS THAT HE WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE, UH, THE PROPERTY, UM, WHICH TAKES UP A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SPACE.
UM, SO THEN WE TOOK THAT PLAN OVERLAID UTILITIES AND STARTED SETTING OUR CONSTRAINTS.
AND THEN YOU START SEEING WHERE YOU CAN PUT TREES.
SO WE, WE, UH, WE WORKED WITH PHIL IRWIN AND HAND IN HAND TO TRY TO GET AS MAXIMIZE THE TREES.
I'M COMMITTED TO GETTING AS MANY TREES ON THAT SIDE AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S JUST STILL UNDERSTANDING THE PROGRAM OF THE EO AND THE OPEN AREA IS, IS THE BIG CHALLENGE RIGHT NOW.
SO BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SATISFIED THAT A PROJECT THAT HAS ONE HALF PERCENT OPEN SPACE IS GONNA BE A, A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR NO, NO.
I FEEL LIKE THAT'S KIND OF SIMILAR TO
WE, WE DO WANT TREES, SO WE, WE NEED TO STUDY THE THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT.
I DON'T THINK A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE INTENDING.
I UNDERSTAND THAT MIGHT BE WHAT IS IN, BUT DO WE, WHEN WE'RE PULLING UP THE SITE PLAN, SO THE AREA THAT WE HAD DESIGNED, AND WE'LL FLIP BACK TO THE RENDERINGS, CAN YOU FOLLOW IN YOUR MOUSE, UM, IS ALL OF THIS OPEN AREA IN BETWEEN, UM, WHERE WE'LL HAVE RETAIL ON BOTH SIDES, UH, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW AROUND THE BUILDINGS, UH, ALONG BOTH OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARES.
UH, WE JUMP BACK TO THE RENDERING.
DO YOU SIDEWALK? UH, NO MA'AM.
THE SIDEWALK'S FURTHER OUT FROM WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO.
AND I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE OPEN SPACE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT I SHOULD, UM, WELL, IT, I MEAN, AT THAT I WAS HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, BUT I MEAN, IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN ONE HALF PERCENT.
OH, AND SO IT WOULD JUST, AND, AND MY, MY COMMENT AND OR QUESTION ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IS WE, WE, WE, IT INFORMS US OF THE BUILDABLE AREAS, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY COMMITMENT OR PROVIDE ANY DEFINITION ON THE OPEN SPACE.
IT'S JUST ASSUMED THAT IF IT'S NOT BUILDABLE, THEN THAT'S OPEN SPACE.
WELL, AS MR. BATMAN JUST SAID, WE'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF FIRE LANES THAT YOU'VE GOTTA DO, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN COULD BE A LITTLE MORE DESCRIPTIVE OF THE COMMITMENT THAT YOU ALL ARE MAKING TO THE, UH, JUST THE OVERALL ENVIRONMENT, RIGHT? SO, SORRY, THIS SHOWS THE OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND THIS FITS WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THAT'S A LOT MORE THAN A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
BUT SOME OF IT IS PARKING AND SOME OF IT'S PARKING, SOME OF IT IS FIRE LANE.
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AND SO I WAS JUST REFERRING TO THE AREA IN BETWEEN THE, THE TWO PARKING AREAS.YEAH, WELL, IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S ENTIRELY, I MEAN, I LOOK AT THESE THINGS ALL DAY LONG AND I DON'T FIND IT.
I'M, I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY CLEAR WHAT I'M LOOKING AT, SO.
UH, ANYWAY, UH, THAT, THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD MR. CHAIR.
UM, YOU CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS.
CAN YOU TELL ME THE WAYS IN WHICH YOUR, UM, ZONING REQUEST COMPLIES WITH THE C C A? I THINK, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT? I'M SORRY.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CCAP.
WELL, SINCE YOUR PARTNER DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THE CCAP IS, I'M GONNA GUESS THAT YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DONE A C A ANALYSIS.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT A C C A ANALYSIS IS.
IT'S THE CITY'S ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN.
OH, CLIMATE CONTROL, CLIMATE RESPONSE.
I, I, SO WE'RE IN OUR SCHEMATIC DESIGN PHASE.
UM, THE BUDGETING WE'VE DONE FOR THIS COMPLETELY COMPLY.
SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TWO OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO THESE ABSOLUTELY WOULD AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
I, I DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE AT A POSITION TO ANSWER IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE, LET ME ASK A DIFFERENT QUESTION.
IS THERE A REASON WHY YOU DIDN'T COME TO US WITH AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN SEEKING ZONING INSTEAD OF THIS CONCEPT PLAN? THAT IT SEEMS A LITTLE, THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ADVISED TO DO.
UM, I GUESS THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY RIGHT NOW IN THE CAPITAL MARKETS, OBVIOUSLY.
SO PART OF THIS SUBMITTAL WAS TO HELP US REMAIN SOME FLEXIBILITY SO WE COULD STILL, UH, ACCOMPLISH WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL, WILL BE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
BUT, UM, THIS IS, I DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR THAT.
THIS IS WHAT WE WERE ADVISED TO DO.
DO YOU HAVE A, UH, SENSE OF HOW MUCH RETAIL SPACE YOU INTEND TO INCLUDE IN THIS PROJECT? UH, WE HAVE A MINIMUM OF 15,000.
THIS PLAN CONTEMPLATES CLOSER TO 40,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS OF THIS SITE? NO, MA'AM.
WHAT SORT OF ANALYSIS HAVE YOU DONE REGARDING THE USE OF THE RETAIL? SO WE, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT EXISTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT.
UM, WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND SORT OF INFORMED OUR SORT OF DECISION BASED ON SUPPLY AND DEMAND OF WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED HERE.
WHEN YOU SAY YOU'VE DONE A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? SO OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE, UM, WE'VE MAPPED EVERY SINGLE PARCEL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'VE MET WITH PROBABLY 80% OF THE OWNERS.
UM, WE'VE DEVELOPED, UH, FOUR DIFFERENT SITES.
UH, WE'VE BOUGHT 27 DIFFERENT PARCELS, UM, COMPLETED DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, UH, REDEVELOPMENT AND SOON TO BE NEW DEVELOPMENT.
I MEAN, WE'VE KIND OF LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, SO, AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF THE AREA IS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 2,800 OR 28, 2,800 UNITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'M NOT, I MEAN, I, I DON'T LOOK AT THINGS IN A ONE MILE RADIUS, SO, WELL, HOW DO YOU FIND, HOW DO YOU DEFINE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEN? UH, WE LOOK AT THE 421 ACRES THAT ARE, UH, BETWEEN WYCLIFFE AND CONTINENTAL.
I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS? YES.
UM, IN YOUR DESIGNS OF THIS PLAN IN THIS AREA, UM, I, I HAVE TO PUT ON A PLANNING HAT, RIGHT? I WEAR ALL THE TIME.
UM, AND I THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, THE FUTURE OF THAT AREA.
UM, DID THE CITY HAS TAKEN ON AN EQUITY, UH, EQUALITY PLAN, UM, IN A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT WE SERVE, UM, INCLUDING OUR COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS.
WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO ATTRACT TO THESE INDUSTRIES? 'CAUSE I DON'T SEE CURRENT DALLAS SITES, UM, BEING WELCOMED TO THIS.
UH, SO MY QUESTION IS, WAS UH, EQUALITY AN EQUITY CONSIDERED IN YOUR PLAN FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CURRENT CITIZENS OF DALLAS, NOT THE FUTURE CITIZENS? UH, THIS WAS ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY DESIGNED WITH THE CURRENT CITIZENS IN MIND.
UM, HOPING TO ATTRACT TENANTS, UH, FROM ALL OVER THE, ALL OVER DALLAS, FROM, WHETHER IT'S FROM UPTOWN, FROM FROM CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY, UH, I MEAN, THIS WAS DESIGNED TO BE AN ALTERNATIVE TO ONE OF THE OTHER OFFICE SUBMARKETS.
WHAT YOU MEAN BY YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS, COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OWNERS, STUFF LIKE THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
SMALL AND LARGE BUSINESS OWNERS.
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THE RETAIL, YOU SAID IT WAS ALMOST, IT WAS A LOT OF AREA OF RETAIL.WHO DO YOU SEE SHOPPING IN THAT RETAIL? UM, I THINK IT'LL DEPEND.
THERE'S, UH, THERE'LL BE RESTAURANTS AND WE LIKE TO HAVE A DIVERSE, UH, OFFERING OF RESTAURANTS AS IN COST AND WHEN THEY OPERATE, WHAT TIME OF DAY, UM, DIFFERENT SERVICES.
I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY TENANTS IN THIS YET.
UH, DIFFERENT SERVICES THAT WOULD SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE TENANTS.
SO IT, IF THIS IS A RETAIL AREA, OFFICE BUILDING AREA, THESE RETAIL OFFICES, I'M ASSUMING WILL CLOSE WHEN THE BUSINESS IS CLOSED THAT DAY WHEN PEOPLE GO HOME THAT DAY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO RETAIL AT NIGHT? WELL, HOPEFULLY IT'S EXTREMELY ACTIVATED.
THAT'S WHAT THIS CENTER COURTYARD AREA WAS DESIGNED TO BE, UM, WITH RESTAURANTS ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.
AND YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THIS, UM, OPEN LATE INTO THE NIGHT, EVEN WITHOUT RESIDENCES? OH YEAH, FOR SURE.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS FOR MR. COOK OR FOR MS. MORRIS, BUT, UM, THIS SITE, I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA.
UM, IS IT CORRECT THAT, UM, THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF RESIDENT, NOT YOUR PROJECT SPECIFICALLY, BUT UM, IN THE AREA, ARE YOU AWARE, I, I THOUGHT I HEARD SOMEONE IN YOUR PRESENTATION MENTION THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IN THIS, IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT? MM-HMM.
AND, AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO BEEN A HOTEL THAT HAS MAYBE, UM, OPENED IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.
THE VIRGIN, THERE MAY BE A FEW MORE.
AND THEN ARE YOU ALSO IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE NEW HIGHLINE TRAIL AND THE CONNECTION TO THE, UM, THE TRINITY? YES, MA'AM.
AND IS THAT, DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY HOW CLOSE THAT MIGHT BE? MAYBE APPROXIMATELY? UM, HALF A MILE.
AND THEN, UM, I THINK ONE OF THE ITEMS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH STAFF MENTIONED IN THEIR, UM, CASE REPORT THAT, UM, YOU'RE PART OF THE STEMS CORRIDOR AND THAT'S ENVISIONED AS A, AS A MIXED USE DISTRICT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I CAN'T ACTUALLY SPEAK TO THE ENTIRE STIM AND CORRIDOR, BUT YES, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT.
AND, UM, I'M ACTUALLY, I PULLED IT UP JUST 'CAUSE I WANTED TO REMIND MYSELF.
IT, IT EXTENDS UP TO, UM, THE SOUTHWESTERN MEDICAL DISTRICT, WHICH IS IN MY DISTRICT.
UM, AND IT NOTES THAT IT'S, UM, RESIDENTIAL RETAIL SHOWROOMS, OFFICE AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND SO IT'S REALLY, IT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE TRYING TO BE A COMPONENT IN WITH THAT LARGER MIXED USE, IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS FOR THE APPLICANT? QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEE NONE.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
IN THE MATTER OF CASES Z TWO 12 DASH 3 53, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THIS ITEM FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, SUBJECT TO A CONCEPTUAL PLAN AND A REVISED EXHIBIT 6 21 B WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES IN SECTION 51 P DASH 6 21 1 6 2, SUBSECTION B SHOULD READ AS FOLLOWS, SPECIALTY UNITS, A MAXIMUM OF 10% OF THE TOTAL UNITS MAY BE SPECIALTY UNITS, INCLUDING CLUB SUITES AND PENTHOUSE SUITES, AND ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE PART OF THE DISPERSAL OF RESERVE DWELLING UNITS BY TODD.
HOWEVER, SPECIALTY UNITS ARE INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ALL UNITS USED TO CALCULATE THE NUMBER OF RESERVED UNITS.
UNITS MAY NOT BE DESIGNATED AS SPECIALTY UNITS SOLELY DUE TO THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN THE UNIT IN SIX IN SECTION 51 P DASH 6 2 1, 16 0.2.
AND I HAVE COMMENTS IF I GET A, A SECOND? YOU DO HAVE A SECOND.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND COMMENTS.
UH, THE DESIGN DISTRICT IS A VERY, UM, CREATIVE, VIBRANT, EMERGING NEIGHBORHOOD AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
THERE'S BEEN A GREAT DEAL OF DEVELOPMENT RECENTLY.
WE HAVE NEW HOTELS, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTIAL, WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW, UM, ENTERTAINMENT AND, YOU KNOW, PLAY AREAS, RESTAURANTS, THAT SORT OF THING.
BUT ONE PLACE I THINK WE'RE, UH, WE'VE BEEN LAGGING BEHIND A BIT IS IN, UH, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO WORK.
IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIVE, WORK, PLAY, YOU NEED TO HAVE WORK.
AND THE OFFICE SPACES, YOU KNOW, CREATIVE, THERE'S A GREAT DEMAND FOR CREATIVE OFFICE SPACE IN THIS AREA.
UH, I THINK WE NEED THE MIXTURE OF, OF PLACES TO, WE HAVE A LOT OF PLACES TO LIVE, WHETHER THEY'RE COMING ALONG NOW, WE HAVE PLACES TO PLAY.
UH, I THINK THE ADDITION OF, UM, OFFICE AND, UM, HAVING A VIBRANT GROUND FLOOR, UM, PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT THAT GIVES A MIXTURE OF NOT JUST RETAIL, BUT RESTAURANT AND PERSONAL SERVICE IS GOING TO BE A VERY WORTHWHILE ADDITION TO THE AREA.
UM, VERY LONG AND HARD ON THIS.
SUBDISTRICT, UM, FOLLOWING THE GENERAL TEMPLATE OF
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THE, THE PD, UH, THE PD DOES, UH, ALLOW 130 FEET BY RIGHT, AND GIVES A MENU OF CHOICES TO GET UP TO 270 FEET.WE, UM, FOLLOW THE OPTION OF JUST BUNDLING THE, THE DESIGN OPTIONS AND SAYING, THESE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO HIT 185 FEET, WHICH THAT HEIGHT IS NOT, UM, EXTRAORDINARY IN THE AREA.
IT IS NOT REQUIRED BY THE PD THAT ALL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS INCORPORATE RESIDENTIAL.
I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE DESIRE, UM, ACROSS THE BOARD FOR, UH, THERE TO BE, YOU KNOW, MORE RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA, BUT IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT BE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, THIS, UH, ALTHOUGH THIS ONE DOES, UM, RESERVE THE OPTION OF, UH, PROVIDING RESIDENTIAL SHOULD, SHOULD, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET ALLOW THAT, UM, THE LANDSCAPING EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE, UM, GRANTED HERE ARE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH, UH, WITH WHAT IS GRANTED IN THE UNDERLYING PD, RECOGNIZING THE REALITY OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT HERE AND THE CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE PLACED ON SITES WITH UTILITY LINES AND SUCH.
AND SO I DO THINK THIS IS A VERY, UM, GOOD ADDITION, A PROPOSED GOOD ADDITION TO THE AREA.
AND, UM, I DO THINK THERE IS, ARE GREAT PUBLIC BENEFITS TO, UH, THIS PROJECT.
AND I DON'T THINK THE, THE GIVE OR THE GET IS, IS EXCESSIVE TO WHAT THE PROJECT IS GIVING.
AND, UM, I DO HOPE THAT I HAVE THE COMMISSION SUPPORT.
COMMISSIONER TREADWAY, WHAT IS THE DELETION OF STRIKE D? WHAT WAS D OF THAT WAS THE, UM, LANGUAGE ON THE FEE IN LIEU THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAD SAID WAS DUPLICATIVE OF WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE EXISTING CODE.
IT HAS NOT CHANGED THE, UM, DEVELOPER'S, UM, ABILITY TO USE FEE IN LIEU SHOULD THEY DECIDE TO DO MIXED INCOME HOUSING.
BUT LEGAL'S OPINION WAS THAT IT DID NOT NEED TO BE INCLUDED.
I I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF GREEN SPACE UNTIL I JUST DID MY MATH, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OUR PHONES ARE CALCULATORS NOW TOO.
I WAS NOT APPRECIATING THE FACT THAT THIS IS 4.14 ACRES.
THERE ARE 43,560 FEET IN AN ACRE, WHICH MAKES US 180 ACRES, 338 FEET.
YOU ARE PROMISING A THOUSAND FEET OF OPEN SPACE.
LIKE, I, I CAN'T EVEN WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT.
SO WOULD WE BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN AN AMENDMENT TO HAVE SOME LEGITIMATE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE IF THERE'S TOWARDS A REUSE PROJECT? I WOULD FEEL DIFFERENT.
THEY GET TO START FROM GROUND ZERO AND WHY WE'RE NOT INCLUDING MORE GREEN SPACE HERE.
I JUST, I CAN'T SUPPORT, I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE CONFUSION HERE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THE ORIGINAL PD IS WRITTEN, THERE WAS A DESIGN, UM, ENHANCEMENT.
IF YOU COMMITTED TO A THOUSAND FEET OF PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE, YOU GOT CERTAIN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, INCREASES IN HEIGHT.
BUT LEGAL SAID THAT WE CAN NO LONGER USE THE PUBLIC PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE TERM.
SO IT'S NOT THAT THE PROJECT IS ONLY GOING TO PROVIDE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, IT'S JUST THE WAY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FOLLOW THE TEMPLATE OF THE WAY THE PD IS WRITTEN.
AND I THINK IT, IT GIVES A, A MISLEADING IMPRESSION AFTER WE HAD TO DELETE THAT LANGUAGE.
I, I HEAR THAT, BUT THE PHOTOS, THE SCHEMATICS THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT, THERE IS NO GRASS.
THERE ARE SOME TREES AND A EO, BUT THERE IS NO GRASS THAT I COULD SEE IN ANY OF THOSE SCHEMATICS.
AND I JUST THINK IN A TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WEAVING PAVED AWAY.
BUT AS WE LOOK AT ALL THE CONCRETE AROUND OUR CITY AND WE HAVE A CHANCE HERE TO PUT IN SOMETHING OTHER THAN CONCRETE, I FOR ONE THINK WE'RE MISSING A HUGE OPPORTUNITY.
AND AGAIN, IF THIS WERE REUSE OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS, I WOULD FEEL REALLY DIFFERENTLY.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT THE ECONOMICS NEED TO WORK FOR THE DEVELOPER.
I GET THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IT'S ALSO GOTTA WORK FOR THE CITY AND CONCRETE ON CONCRETE.
I, I JUST THINK WE CAN DO BETTER.
AND SO I WOULD ENTERTAIN A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HAVE SOME SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT FOR OPEN SPACE.
I GET THAT WE'RE WORKING WITHIN A EXISTING PD, BUT WE'RE CRAFTING A BRAND NEW SUBDISTRICT CALLED ONE K.
DO YOU, ARE YOU MAKING A SPECIFIC FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? DO YOU HAVE A PERCENTAGE OR? I AM OPEN TO DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT I SEE RIGHT NOW I CANNOT SUPPORT JUST BASED ON THE LACK OF VIABLE GREEN SPACE WITH A BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT.
WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME.
ARTICLE 10 IS REAL, AND IF WE DON'T ENFORCE IT WITH NEW
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CONSTRUCTION, THEN AGAIN, I JUST, I FEEL LIKE I'M BEING A LITTLE BIT HYPOCRITICAL IF WE DON'T RAISE THIS ISSUE.IS MR. IRWIN AVAILABLE? 'CAUSE I KNOW HE VETTED THIS PLAN.
UM, HE'S AT A TREE CONFERENCE,
I, I DID SPEAK WITH MR. ERWIN IN GREAT DETAIL IN RECOMMENDING DENIAL, DESPITE HIS RECOMMENDATION THAT THE LANGUAGE WAS APPROPRIATE, HE WAS DISMAYED THAT THIS PD DOES ALLOW FOR THE PRODUCTION INCREASE AND DOES ALLOW FOR THE PAYMENT INTO THE FEE TO REDUCE THE OVERALL TREES ON THE SITE.
HE DOES NOT SUPPORT THAT ELEMENT OF THE PD IS WHAT HE DID TELL ME.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE PD ALLOWS IT AND THEREFORE IT MADE SENSE LANGUAGE WISE, WHICH IS WHY I SEPARATED HIS RECOMMENDATION OF THE LANGUAGE BEING APPROPRIATE TO THE ACTUAL GOALS OF THE AREA PLAN AND CITY IN GENERAL, ESPECIALLY FOR A COMPLETE KNOCKDOWN.
THAT'S WHY WE DON'T SUPPORT IT.
AND I THINK I'VE MADE THAT CLEAR.
BUT HE WAS ALSO IN SUPPORT OF MY RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OVERALL FROM STAFF.
HE SUPPORTED THE LANGUAGE ORGANIZATION FOR APPLICABILITY PURPOSES.
HE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE OVERARCHING GOALS OF 6 21 TO ALLOW THAT REDUCTION IN LANDSCAPING.
YOU KNOW, I THINK IN THIS CASE THAT STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT ANALYSIS.
THEY WENT INTO THE REASONINGS, THEY TOOK EVERY AREA PLAN AND SAW WHAT THE MANDATES WERE.
INCLUDE HOUSING, INCLUDE HOUSING INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, THEY LOOKED AT THE GREEN SPACE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE IS NOT GREEN SPACE.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WALKING ON A SIDEWALK BETWEEN RETAIL THAT'S GOT A COUPLE OF TREES STANDING UP.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE IS IT, WHERE THE RUNOFF WATER THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING ONE MORE CEMENT ISLAND, YOU KNOW, UH, LIKE A DOWNTOWN BUILDING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID.
IT CONCERNS ME THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT C P A C IS.
THAT IS CONCERNING IN TODAY'S WORLD THAT YOU HAVEN'T CONSIDERED THE VEGETATION RECYCLING WATER IN AN AREA THIS BIG.
A LOT OF THINGS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.
I MEAN, AND MY FEELING IS THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE EITHER OR THE APPLICANT WANTS IT.
AND OBVIOUSLY THE WHOLE TIME HE KNEW HE WAS GOING FOR OFFICE, BUT JUST WANTED TO KEEP ALL THE OPTIONS OPEN.
WELL, STAFF HAS SAID, WE WANT A REQUIREMENT THAT THIS PARTICULAR SPECIAL PROJECT INCLUDE AND REQUIRE RESIDENTIAL, YOUR OFFICE AND YOUR RETAIL OR WHATEVER YOU'RE OFFERING ON THE GROUND LEVEL.
AND I THINK THEY'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND NOT SAY, WELL THIS IS OFFICE AND IN CASE YOU WANNA FLIP IT, MAYBE IT CAN GET M I H B.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SPECIALTY UNITS.
WELL, THERE AREN'T ANY SPECIALTY UNITS IN OFFICE.
SO WE'VE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT AND I BELIEVE STAFF OF ANY REPORT I'VE SEEN IN TWO YEARS, THIS ONE HAS JUSTIFIED EVERY SINGLE RECOMMENDATION THEY HAVE MADE.
THEY PUT LENGTHY, VERY SMART ANALYSIS TO IT.
AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN MORE ANALYSIS BY THE STAFF SOMEWHAT THAN I HAVE FELT ON THIS ONE BY THE APPLICANT.
THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS AND MY FEELING IS YOU SHOULD BE IN TODAY'S WORLD WHEN WE NEED THOSE 8,000 MORE UNITS AND YOU'RE ABOUT TO BUILD AND HAVE A LOT OF WAIVERS, I THINK YOU SHOULD BE REQUIRED AND WE SHOULD FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER CARPENTER'S BRILLIANT, SHE DOES GREAT WORK, BUT YOU'RE ONLY DEALING WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT'S OFFERING.
SO I HAVE TO SAY I I'M NOT, I I'M FOR WHAT THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED AND I THINK THEY'VE GI JUSTIFIED THE REASONS WHY.
UH, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU.
I, I'M HAVING A REAL HARD TIME WITH THIS ONE.
I, I USUALLY DEFER TO THE COMMISSIONER WHOSE DISTRICT IT IS.
AND I DO HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR COMMISSIONER CARPENTER AND I ALSO AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS PD.
I UNDERSTAND WHY THE LANDSCAPING RULES ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DESIGN DISTRICT
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DUE TO THE TIME THAT IT WAS BUILT, HAS A NUMBER OF SITES THAT SIMPLY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PUT LANDSCAPING, WHICH IS WHY THEY HAVE THE TREE FUND.UM, AND, AND IF THIS WERE AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS, I WOULD PROBABLY BE A LOT MORE INCLINED TO OVERLOOK WHAT APPEARS TO ME TO BE A REAL, UM, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAS DONE ALL THE ANALYSIS FOR THEIR BUSINESS AND WHAT THEY WANT AND THEY NEED AND ALMOST NO ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS, NEEDS, WANTS, OR HOW THEIR PROJECT FITS IN WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY.
IT IS ALARMING TO ME THAT AT THIS POINT THAT NEITHER OF YOU KNEW WHAT CCAP IS IT? I'M SORRY.
AND I PERSONALLY ASK EVERY APPLICANT THAT COMES THROUGH MY DISTRICT TO TELL ME HOW THEIR PROJECT COMPLIES WITH IT.
UM, I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT IT.
IF YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS AND YOU'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IT, THEN YOU ARE NOT DESIGNING YOUR BUILDING IN THE MA IN THE OPTIMAL WAY TO ADDRESS OUR CLIMATE CRISIS.
AND THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THE IMPRESSION YOU'RE LEAVING WITH ME.
AND IF THAT'S NOT TRUE, THEN, THEN YOU DID NOT DO A GOOD JOB SELLING IT ON THAT FRONT.
AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THAT EVERY PROJECT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE HOUSING, BUT I THINK IN TODAY'S HOUSING CRISIS, THAT DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO COME AT OFFICE WHEN WE ARE CURRENTLY TURNING OFFICE INTO HOUSING, THEY NEED TO JUSTIFY WHY WE SHOULD GIVE DENSITY BONUSES FOR AN OFFICE.
I ALSO AM NOT A BIG FAN OF PROJECTS THAT JUST COME WITH CONCEPT PLANS.
I THINK DEVELOPMENT PLANS AND IF THIS HAD A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD ANSWER A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS.
WE WOULD KNOW IF THIS PROJECT HAD A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH MOST LARGE PROJECTS THAT COME THROUGH HERE DO.
WE WOULD NOT BE GUESSING ABOUT WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO OR HOW YOU PLAN TO DO IT.
WE WOULD BE PRESENTED WITH A PROJECT THAT WE COULD SAY, YES, ALL THE COMPONENTS OF THIS PROJECT MEET THE CITY'S POLICIES.
THEY WILL PROVIDE A GOOD, UH, PROJECT FOR THIS PART OF THE CITY.
AND I HAVEN'T HEARD A GOOD JUSTIFICATION FOR NOT HAVING MORE DETAIL IN THIS PLAN.
UM, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT ADVICE YOU GOT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO SECOND GUESS WHOEVER YOUR CONSULTANTS ARE, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS SOMEONE WHO IS CHARGED WITH TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR THE CITY, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THIS CASE.
AND I AM ALSO, I WILL NOTE THAT I FIND IT A LITTLE IRRITATING THAT AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM KEEPS ROLLING HIS EYES AND MAKING FACES AT SOME OF THE COMMENTS BY THE PLAN COMMISSIONERS.
I FIND THAT VERY UNPROFESSIONAL AND I, AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T MAKING ME WANNA VOTE FOR YOUR PROJECT MORE SO I'M, I'M JUST STRUGGLING WITH HOW THIS PROJECT IS READY FOR OUR CONSIDERATION.
UM, I, I DWELLED IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT FOR QUITE A WHILE.
MY FIRST PHOTOGRAPHY STUDIO I RENTED WAS IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT AND I COULD AFFORD IT.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, A LIVE WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR TODAY'S SOCIETY IS ESSENTIAL.
HAVING SOMEONE TO LIVE AND WORK IN THAT CORRIDOR FROM THE MEDICAL DISTRICT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MARKET CENTER AND EVEN FURTHER, RIGHT? I KNOW THE DESIGN DISTRICT OF DALLAS WAS THE BEE'S KNEES OF THIS COUNTRY AT ONE POINT.
SO, UM, FOR SHOPPERS OF HIGH QUALITY, I GET IT.
I UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THAT AREA CALLS FOR.
I JUST HOPE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT I, AS A CITIZEN OF DALLAS CAN WALK UP TO A PLACE LIKE THIS AND FEEL COMFORTABLE.
WHEN ASCENSION COFFEE HOUSE WAS BUILT ON THAT, THAT SAME CORRIDOR, IT WAS WELCOMING.
THERE WERE EVENTS FOR WELCOME FOR THAT FOR ALL CITIZENS, RIGHT.
EVEN THOUGH THE RESIDENTS WERE BEHIND IT.
BUT ALSO THERE WAS A PARKING ISSUE, THERE'S A TRANSPORTATION ISSUES ON THE, ON THOSE STREETS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE VIRGIN HOTEL AND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THAT SIDE OF TOWN.
UM, I VISIT OFTEN AND TO ME, THIS PROJECT CONGESTS THE AREA AND DOESN'T CALL FOR WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY, UM, AND WHY I'M HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME SUPPORTING IT.
YEAH, WE, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK.
THIS ONE, I KNOW COMMISSIONER CARPENTER HAS WORKED VERY HARD, BUT I, I MAY BE
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CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, THINKING THAT WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE GO BACK AND, AND SEE IF THE DEVELOPER CAN, CAN SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS ONE TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR CONCERNS.THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS, IS THIS CASE BRINGS UP AN IMPORTANT POINT ABOUT OUR MIXED INCOME HOUSING DEVELOPMENT BONUS IN THAT IT ONLY ADDRESSES RESIDENTIAL.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS PD OFFERS ALL SORTS OF, YOU KNOW, GOOD BONUSES FOR VARIOUS DESIGN COMPONENTS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, RAISING THE ISSUE THAT IT'S PROBABLY TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, M I H D B 2.5 OR 3.0 WHERE WE ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, GIVING DENSITY AND HEIGHT BONUSES ALSO ON NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IS IN EXCHANGE FOR THE, YOU KNOW, FEE AND LIE THAT WE HAVE SET UP.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONLY TRIGGERED BY RESIDENTIAL USES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT'S A PROCESS THAT REQUIRES NOT JUST US TO ACT, BUT ALSO COUNSEL TO ACT, UM, ON, I THINK IT'S 22 A, BUT, BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD START THINKING ABOUT DOING THAT BECAUSE, AND THIS PROJECT HAS BROUGHT IT UP.
UH, SECOND ROUND COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
UH, REGARDING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT OPEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, THE SUBDISTRICT ONE K REFERS BACK TO, UM, SECTION G HERE ON PAGE EIGHT DASH 32.
AND ROMAN AT NUMBER FIVE REQUIRES THAT A MINIMUM OF 25% OF THE LAND AREA MUST BE IMPROVED WITH PLANNING SCULPTURES, POOLS, OR SIMILAR FEATURES.
SO ARE YOU SAYING, SO IT REQUIRES 25%, SO I WANT A CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF AS TO WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF OPEN, HOW, HOW ARE YOU INTERPRETING THAT IN TERMS OF OPEN SPACE OR GREEN SPACE? YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, I WOULD REFER TO DANIEL'S INTERPRETATION FOR THIS BECAUSE I DID THINK THAT IT WAS 1000 SQUARE FEET IS AS THE MINIMUM TOTAL OPEN SPACE FOR THE SITE.
MAYBE, MAYBE I'VE MISINTERPRETED IT.
IS IT 25%? THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS HERE.
IT SAYS 25% OF THE LAND AREA MUST BE IMPROVED, BUT BEFORE THAT, IT STIPULATES THAT OPEN SPACE MUST HAVE A MINIMUM OF 1000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND AREA.
YEAH, THEY'RE SEPARATE ROMAN NETS THAT AREA.
THE THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, UH, PRIOR IS REFERRING TO PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION.
THEY'RE ALL REFERRING TO THE PUBLICLY OPEN OR PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE.
SO THEY'RE ALL ROMAN NETS UNDER G.
WELL, I THINK WHAT IT'S SAYING TO ME IS THAT THE, THE PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE, YES, IT ENDS UNDER G IT HAS TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
SO THERE HAS TO BE A THOUSAND FEET OF CONTIGUOUS, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE THERE AND, UM, VISIBLE TO AND ADJACENT TO A PUBLIC SIDEWALK.
BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU GO DOWN TO ROMAN AT FIVE AND IT'S TALKING ABOUT MM-HMM.
SO TO ME, THAT'S FAR MORE THAN JUST 1000 SQUARE FEET HAS TO BE.
WELL, I, AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD, UM, DEFER TO DANIEL MOORE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION RIGHT NOW.
BUT ALSO YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT 25% OF THE FOUR ACRES IS ONE ACRE.
THIS IS LIKE THE ELEMENT OF OPEN SPACE IN OUR CODE CURRENTLY THAT SAYS THAT ALL ARTICLE 10 SPACES CAN BE COUNTED TOWARDS OPEN SPACE.
AND IN THAT WAY, I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY INCREASING THE OVERALL OPEN SPACE, WHICH IS WHY IN MANY PDS, ESPECIALLY SPECIAL PROJECT PDS, WE TEND TO REMOVE THAT ELEMENT AND SAY THAT IT'S NOT A TRUE REPRESENTATION OF OPEN SPACE.
AND THE PERCENTAGE BEING OFFERED EXCLUDES SOME OF THOSE ITEMS, ESPECIALLY PAVED AREAS, DRY VIALS AND MANY OF THE ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPE AREAS THAT ARE ON THE PERIMETERS.
SO I STILL THINK THAT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY 10% LIKE THE CODE IS, BUT YES, IT MAY BE GREATER THAN 1000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS AN EXTREMELY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THAT FOUR AND A HALF ACRE TRACT.
WELL, GIVEN THAT THERE'S A, A GREAT DEAL OF, YOU KNOW, CONSTERNATION ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS AND THE GREEN SPACE AND, AND THE ABSENCE OF MR. IRWIN, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY ORIGINAL MOTION AND PUT THIS UNDER ADVISEMENT.
IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FROM THE BODY? OKAY, COMM UH,
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COMMISSIONERS.WE HAVE A NEW MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW TO, UH, KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.
HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO OCTOBER 5TH.
CAN I HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? SEE NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ONE MORE CASE BEFORE WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK.
THAT'S, UM, CASE NUMBER NINE, DR.
ITEM NUMBER NINE IS Z 2 2 3 180 1 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RESTAURANT WITHOUT DRIVING OR DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICE USE ON PROPERTY WITHIN SIBERIA.
TWO OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT NUMBER 360 6, THE BUCKNER BOULEVARD SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT WITH A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF JAKE LAKE, JUNE ROAD AND ROW, EAST OF ROSE GARDEN AVENUE.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IS BRIEFED.
UH, ANDREW RIG 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1 HERE, UH, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, MR. HECTOR LOPEZ.
UM, MR. LOPEZ IS THE OWNER OF THE EL PPO, UH, RESTAURANTS.
THERE'S FOUR LOCATIONS IN THE D F W AREA, THREE IN DALLAS, ONE IN GRAND PRAIRIE.
UM, THE REQUEST HERE TODAY IS A SS U P FOR ALCOHOL SALES AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
UM, WE ARE REQUESTING A FIVE-YEAR TIME PERIOD WITH FIVE YEAR, UM, AUTOMATIC RENEWALS SO WE CAN BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH ALL CITY AND STATE, UH, ALCOHOL REGULATIONS.
UM, THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RESTAURANT AND, UM, BAR USE, UM, THAT HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, FREQUENT, UH, LOCALS AT FREQUENT THE ESTABLISHMENT.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.
ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? QUESTIONS FOR MR. RIG? QUESTIONS FOR CITY STAFF? I SEEING NONE.
MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES, SIR, I DO.
IN A MATTER OF Z 2 2 3 180 1, I MOVE TO CLOSEUP PUBLIC HEARING AND FILE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
BRIEFED YOU CHAIR? SHE DID FOR YOUR MOTION.
UH, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? MR. YOUNG? UH, MR. CHAIR, IS THAT WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL? THAT'S CORRECT.
NO AUTOMATIC RENEWAL TO YOUR PERIOD? NO.
AUTO COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THIS IS JUST A STATEMENT I, I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS MOTION, BUT I'M AFRAID SOMEONE MENTIONED THAT STREET IS BECOMING, WE KEEP HEARING THE STREET OFTEN AND EACH TIME THERE'S A LIQUOR OVERLAY.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WATCHING THIS STRIP THAT THAT DOESN'T COME INTO A RED LIGHT DISTRICT OF SOME TYPE, BUT THANK YOU.
I DO SUPPORT THIS IN THE RESTAURANT, BY THE WAY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE CHAIR SECONDED BY, UM, COMMISSIONER HAMPTON TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE FOR A, DID YOU SAY FIVE, TWO YEAR, TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH NO AUTOMATIC RENEWALS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? NAY? THE MOTION CARRIES.
ALRIGHT, WHY DON'T WE TAKE A 15 MINUTE BREAK.
SO WE'LL BE BACK AT 5:15 PM OH MY.
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE BACK AT EXACTLY FIVE 15.
WE'RE HEADING BACK INTO THE DOCKET.
UH, WE'RE AT THE DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT, UH, AND I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO LET FOLKS KNOW THAT WE ARE HOLDING THIS MATTER UNDER KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, HOLDING THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT TO OCTOBER 19TH.
UH, MS. MAY, CAN WE GET THAT WRITTEN INTO THE RECORD PLEASE? SURE.
ITEM 11 IS DCA 2 23 0 0 2 CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING CHAPTERS 51 AND 51 A OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE WITH CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO AMENDING SECTIONS 51 4 0.2044 AND 51 A 4.2043 CHILDCARE FACILITY FI 51 4 0.2046 AND 51 A 4.2041 ADULT DAYCARE FACILITY, 51 4 0.207 B 10, AND 51 A, UH, 4.2217 B 7.1 DAY HOME, 51 4 0.407 AND 51 A 4.407 MAXIMUM
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LOT COVERAGE, 51 4 0.408 AND 51 A 4.408, UH, MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT, 51 A 13.306 USES, AND 51 A 13 4 0 2 REQUIRED PARKING AND RELATED SECTIONS WITH CONSIDERATION BEING GIVEN TO APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS AND DEVELOPING APPROPRIATE STANDARDS ASSOCIATED ASSOCIATED WITH ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES, CHILDCARE FACILITIES, AND DAY HOMES.UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF RY COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL OF ZAC C'S RECOMMENDED AMENDMENTS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. MAY, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
HELLO, UH, MEMBERS OF THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.
I LIVE AT 3 3 1 0 FAIRMONT STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS, AND I'M THE MANAGER OF THE SOUTHWESTERN MEDICAL DISTRICT.
THE SOUTHWESTERN MEDICAL DISTRICT, UH, CONSISTS OF THREE MAJOR INSTITUTIONS, THAT BEING CHILDREN'S HEALTH MEDICAL CENTER, UH, PARKLAND HEALTH, AS WELL AS UT SOUTHWESTERN MEDICAL CENTER.
AND I'VE COME TO YOU IN OPPOSITION TO THE MENDING OF THE DEVELOPING CODE AND THE, LET ME JUST EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE MEDICAL DISTRICT OR WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
WE ARE RIGHT NOW UPDATING OUR OWN MASTER PLAN WHERE, UH, IT'S BEEN UPDATED FOR BEING UPDATED FROM THE 2009 PLAN.
AND WE ALSO, IN THAT 2009 PLAN AND THE ONE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, DOING THIS IN KIND OF PARALLEL IN, IN A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS STAFF WHO'S UPDATING THE FORT WORTH DALLAS COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING WORKS WITH THE CITY AND VICE VERSA.
SO WORKING WITH THE PLACE TYPES AND SUCH.
SO IF YOU KNOW THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, A LOT OF THAT AREA HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY OR CON UH, WELL WAS ZONED FOR INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES.
AND SO WE'RE NOW FINDING OURSELVES BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES, LET'S SAY, OF HARRY HINES BOULEVARD AND OF ONE OF OUR, UH, FACILITIES KIND OF GO INTO THAT IR TYPE OF, UH, DISTRICT USES.
AND FOR THIS, THIS IS GOING TO BE CREATING A PROBLEM FOR US.
AND I WOULD JUST KIND OF POINT OUT WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, THIS IS, UH, BY THE WAY MENTIONED TO ME YESTERDAY FROM PARKLAND, SO I'M KIND OF HAPPENING TO QUICKLY RESPOND TO THIS.
BUT IT'S A NEGATIVE EFFECT THAT IT WOULD PRECLUDE OUR CHILDCARE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT FROM EXPANDING IF THERE'S A NEED.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE HAVE 39,000 EMPLOYEES IN THE AREA.
WE SEE 2.4 MILLION VISITS TO OUR CLINICS AND EMERGENCY DEPARTMENTS.
SO WE SERVE MANY USERS IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
AND SO WE CAN SEE HOW THIS GETS TO BE AN ISSUE TO WHERE WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT CAN WE EXPAND SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE GRANDFATHERED, CAN WE EXPAND A FACILITY THAT HANDLES IT LIKE CHILDCARE IN ADULT USES AND SUCH LIKE THAT, UH, DAYCARE, UM, DAY USES AND SUCH.
SO THAT IS WHY FOR THE MEDICAL DISTRICT AND REPRESENTING ALL THREE INSTITUTIONS, WE FEEL THAT WHILE THIS WAS PROBABLY DONE WITH A GOOD PURPOSE, WE FEEL THIS IS MISGUIDED, ESPECIALLY FOR A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER, SECOND LARGEST ONE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND ALSO JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UH, WE'RE SEEING THAT THIS IS BECOMING AN ACTIVELY LIVABLE NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
GONE ARE THE DAYS OF THE INDUSTRIAL USES IN THIS AREA.
WE'RE SEEING MANY MORE MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITIES COMING IN THERE.
WE'RE HOPING TO SEE MORE SERVICES, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, CRANE, A MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITY.
UH, 'CAUSE PART OF THAT LAND USE PLAN THAT WE'RE, PARDON ME, THAT MASTER PLAN WE'RE LOOKING AT IS UPDATING OUR LAND USES MOBILITY AND UTILITIES FOR THE WHOLE AREA.
SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.
UM, AND COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS DR.
I'M THE SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND ASSOCIATE CHIEF TALENT OFFICER OF PARKLAND HEALTH AT 5,200 HARRY HEINZ BOULEVARD.
I'M OPPOSED TO CASE NUMBER 2 3 2 4 7 9 AND ASK THAT IT BE DELAYED SO THAT WE CAN STUDY, STUDY WHAT WE CAN DO.
IF IT, IF IT DOES PASS, THE NEGATIVE EFFECT OF PRECLUDING CHILDCARE AND IR ZONING CLASSIFICATION WILL DIS DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECT THOSE WHO CAN LEASE AFFORD IT, ESPECIALLY IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
SINCE OPENING IN NOVEMBER, 2020, ANDY'S PLACE HAS ENROLLED OVER 14,000 FAMILIES INTO THE PROGRAM AND PROVIDED TO, UH, UP TO 8,000 VISITS TO THE CENTER.
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GIVE YOU TWO EXAMPLES WITH THE REMAINDER OF MY TIME.NOT ONLY DOES ANNIE'S PLACE PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES, THEY ALSO PROVIDE A SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY FOR THOSE THAT, THAT BARELY HAVE THE NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR SELVES.
THE FIRST EXAMPLE WOULD BE WE HAD SIX CHILDREN THAT WERE IN THE WAITING ROOM, UH, BECAUSE THE MOTHER WAS IN THE HOSPITAL DUE TO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE ISSUE.
AS A RESULT OF THAT, OUR DEFAULT RESPONSE OR, OR OUR POLICIES THAT WE CONTACT CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, UM, OPPOSED TO CONTACTING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES, WE CONTACTED ANNIE'S PLACE AND NOT ONLY WERE WE ABLE TO BRING THESE SIX CHILDREN OVER TO ANNIE'S PLACE, WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THEM COMFORT IN THAT TIME OF NEED.
WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THEM NUTRIENTS AND FOOD AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH OTHER CHILDREN WHILE THEIR MOM WAS GOING THROUGH SOMETHING THAT SHE HAD NEVER EXPERIENCED BEFORE.
SO AFTER THE MOM WAS ABLE TO GET DISCHARGED, SHE WAS RECONNECTED BACK WITH OUR CHILDREN.
THERE'S NO WAY WE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS WITHOUT ANNIE'S PLACE.
AND THEN THE SECOND EXAMPLE THAT I WOULD PROVIDE VERY BRIEFLY IS WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE FREEZES IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.
AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT SLEEP ON COTS TO PROVIDE A SOCIAL BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND THOSE EMPLOYEES WERE BASICALLY RUNNING ON FUMES.
AND WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET A NEW SET OF EMPLOYEES ON SITE.
AND THE WAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT IS TO USE ANNIE'S PLACE TO SAY, WE'LL HAVE SOMEWHERE THAT YOUR CHILDREN CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE CARE OF THOSE THAT CAN'T TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.
AND WITH US BEING ABLE TO DO THAT, ANNIE'S PLACE SHELTERED, THOSE CHILDREN AND THOSE PARENTS WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE SERVICES WITHOUT BEING IN FEAR OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THEIR CHILDRENS IN THE MIDDLE OF A WINTER STORM.
WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE DO IN THE CITY OF DALLAS WITHOUT GIVING THAT SUPPORT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO OUR EMPLOYEES.
AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS FOR US AT PARKLAND.
COMMISSIONER JONATHAN VINCENT, 2323 ROSS AVENUE, UM, REPRESENTING THE PARKLAND HEALTH AND HOSPITAL SYSTEM.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD WHAT MR. PJA AND DR.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS AND CITY STAFF TO, UH, TRY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT THEY'VE ARTICULATED SO WELL.
ANY OTHER SPEAKERS HERE FOR OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE? GEORGE, IT'S, UH, MS. RUBEN ONLINE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME? IS THIS, UH, MS. RUBEN? THIS IS, HI, GOOD EVENING IN C P S COMMISSION, CAN YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CAMERA IS ON? WE MUST BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
YOU MAY NEED TO TOGGLE IT ON AND OFF.
CHAIR SHAD AND C P S COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.
I AM MELANIE, 56 11 LOJO, AND I'M THE DIRECTOR, DIRECTOR OF THE NORTH TEXAS EARLY EDUCATION ALLIANCE.
A COALITION OF DALLAS RESIDENTS COMMITTED TO INCREASING ACCESS TO QUALITY EARLY EDUCATION AND CHILDCARE.
I'M HERE TO THIS EVENING, VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
PROGRAMS LIKE ANNIE'S PLACE AND OTHER CHILDCARE PROGRAMS THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES ARE SO CRITICAL TO OUR COMMUNITIES.
AND WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO INCREASE ACCESS, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE WHO NEED IT THE MOST.
THIS RECOMMENDATION WILL INDEED INCREASE ACCESS AND REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THE SCIENCE AND DATA ARE CLEAR.
YOUNG KIDS LEARN IC SPEND THE MAJORITY OF THEIR DAY IN CHILDCARE EXPOSURE TO HIGH QUALITY CHILDCARE.
FAITH QUALITY INTERACTIONS IS THE FOUNDATION FOR CHILDREN'S SUCCESS.
WHEN FAMILIES DO NOT HAVE THE CHILDCARE THEY NEED, PARENTS WORK PRODUCTIVELY, FAILS, RESULTING IN COSTS TO PARENTS, THEIR EMPLOYERS, AND ULTIMATELY TAXPAYERS.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE KNOW WHAT KIDS AND COMMUNITIES NEED TO THRIVE.
THE BAD NEWS IS WE ARE NOT MAKING THESE ENVIRONMENTS READILY ACCESSIBLE.
THE PANDEMIC MADE A DISJOINTED CHILDCARE SYSTEM DETERIORATE EVEN FURTHER.
DALLAS PARENTS STRUGGLED TO FIND ACCESSIBLE, AFFORDABLE, QUALITY CHILDCARE AND EMPLOYERS FEEL THE BRUNT OF THEIR EMPLOYEES INABILITY TO GET TO WORK.
AND IN FACT, WE'RE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE, A DECREASE IN THE ACCESS TO CHILDCARE AS THE FEDERAL CHILDCARE RELIEF GRANTS END IN THE END OF NOVEMBER.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN WITH IT.
THE DALLAS WORKFORCE LOCAL, THE LOCAL WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AREA IN DALLAS SHOWS OVER 30 ZIP CODES OF CHILDCARE DESERTS, WHICH IS DEFINED BY THE TEXAS LABOR CODE.
AS AN AREA WHERE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN YOUNGER THAN SIX HAVE, WHO HAVE WORKING PARENTS IS AT LEAST THREE TIMES GREATER THAN THE CAPACITY OF LICENSED CHILDCARE PROVIDERS.
WE CLEARLY DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH CHILDCARE IN DALLAS TO MEET THE NEEDS.
A RECENT STUDY BY THE B C G REINVENTING
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CHILDCARE FOR TODAY'S WORKFORCE, THE NUMBER ONE OF CHILDCARE IS PARENTAL CARE, FOLLOWED BY CENTER-BASED CHILDCARE.THE REPORT ALSO FOUND STRONG PREFERENCES FOR CARE CLOSE TO HOME ON BEHALF OF THE N T E A AND THE DALLAS COUNTY COMMISSION ON CHILDCARE.
I APPLAUD THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE YOU TODAY.
REMOVING SS U P REQUIREMENT IS SMART STRATEGIC POLICY, WHICH WILL REMOVE BARRIERS AND EXPENSES FOR CHILDCARE PROVIDERS AND FACILITATE ACCESS.
INCREASING ACCESS TO CHILDCARE CLOSE TO WHERE FAMILIES LIVE WILL SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCE NEIGHBORHOODS, PROVIDE QUALITY ENVIRONMENTS FOR CHILDREN AND HELP PARENTS GET TO WORK.
UNFORTUNATELY, IN FACT, LIMITING THIS PROVISION TO JUST MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS LIMITS THE IMPACT.
CHILDCARE IS NOT A DISRUPTIVE OVERSIZED INDUSTRY.
IT IS A SERVICE THAT TRULY SERVICES THE COMMUNITY.
WE ASK THAT YOU BROADEN THE PROVISION TO INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO MAXIMIZE ACCESS AND MEET THE NEEDS OF FAMILIES, NEIGHBORHOODS, AND COMMUNITIES.
WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOU CHANNELING THE CITY'S CORE VALUES.
THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION AND VERY MUCH THE BOARD.
THANK YOU MS. UH, MS. BOYLE, ARE YOU ON? WHAT, GOOD EVENING.
UH, THIS I AM NATALIE BOYLE ON BEHALF OF ANNIE'S PLACE.
UM, AND JUST WANTED TO SAY A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT, I THINK EVERYONE HAS, HAS REALLY EXPRESSED BEAUTIFULLY.
UM, WE ARE HERE IN SUPPORT OF A DELAY ON THIS ISSUE JUST SO THAT WE CAN REALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE UNDER ADVISEMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
AND ANNIE'S PLACE IS A VITAL CHILDCARE CENTER IN AN AREA THAT DOES NOT HAVE A LOT.
JOHNSON JUST BEAUTIFULLY TOLD THE STORIES, IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO BE THERE AND TO EXPAND IN ORDER TO SERVE EVEN MORE FAMILIES.
AND SO, AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION AND OUR, OUR REQUEST WOULD JUST BE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DELAYED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THOSE FAMILIES.
ANY OF OTHER SPEAKERS ONLINE? NO OTHER SPEAKERS, COMMISSIONERS.
QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONER STANDARD PLEASE.
JOHNSON, I HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU, SINCE YOU SPECIFICALLY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING AREAS THAT ARE I IR OR INDUSTRIAL AND ARE CHANGING, ET CETERA, AND WHAT THIS WOULD DO TO THAT.
UH, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR THOSE AREAS? IF YOU WERE WRITING THIS PLAN, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? OUR INITIAL REACTION IS TO SAY NOT TO WE'RE OPPOSED TO IT, UH, AS FAR AS WHAT, WHAT YOU WOULD PUT IN PLACE AS AN ALTERNATIVE.
I DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE SCOPE OR KNOWLEDGE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT IF YOU DID AT LEAST AFFORD US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DELAY IT, IT WOULD GIVE US THE INTERNAL, UM, LENS TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP PROVIDE A SERVICE FOR OUR PATIENTS AND OUR EMPLOYEES.
IF THIS GOES THROUGH THE WAY THAT IT IS TODAY, IT'S GONNA CAUSE A HUGE DISTURBANCE FOR OUR PATIENT POPULATION AND OUR EMPLOYEES.
I GUESS WHAT I WAS SAYING IS, BASED ON THE BRIEFING THIS MORNING, ONE OF THE THINGS WE KEPT TALKING ABOUT, OF COURSE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT INDUSTRIAL AREAS THAT HAVE GOT 18 WHEELERS AND THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER, AND ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS WHEN THE KIDS ARE GOING OUTSIDE TO PLAY AT A CHILDCARE CENTER.
SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T ACTUALLY APPLY AS MUCH TO UT SOUTHWESTERN OR IN THOSE AREAS.
SO I'M HOPING THAT Y'ALL CAN FIND SOME WAY TO DEAL WITH ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES IN AREAS THAT ARE ZONED INDUSTRIAL, BUT NOT BE PUNITIVE TO YOUR CAUSE.
SO I AM AWARE THAT WHEN THE REZONING HAPPENED WITH THE PARKLAND IN THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, BUTLER STREET, WHERE ANNIE'S PLACE IS LOCATED, WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT ASSESSMENT.
AND SO WHAT WE DID WAS, PRIOR TO FINDING THIS OUT, WE ACTUALLY WENT TO OUR, OUR COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND OUR BOARD AND ASKED FOR, UM, AN ADDITIONAL $1.7 MILLION, WHICH WAS APPROVED TO EXTEND ANY ANNIE'S PLACE FROM AN EMERGENCY DROPPING CARE TO ACTUALLY A LEARNING CENTER SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO, TO ADDRESS THOSE, THE, THE FINANCIAL AND, YOU KNOW, UH, OPPORTUNITIES IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR, IN OUR NET, IN OUR
SO TO YOUR POINT, WE DO SEE THE TRUCKS, BUT DOES IT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE WAY THAT THE CHILDCARE IS
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PROVIDED AT ANDY'S PLACE? IT DOES NOT.I'VE PERSONALLY OBSERVED AND BEEN AT THE GROUNDBREAKING OF ANDY'S PLACE, AND IT DID NOT CAUSE ANY DISRUPTION.
WELL, I, I'VE BEEN THERE MYSELF.
SO, BUT THE PART THAT YOU ARE MOST OPPOSED TO IS HOW IT'S TREATING INDUSTRIAL AREAS OR WHAT OTHER ASPECTS OF IT? THE INDUSTRIAL ERROR THAT YOUR THINGS WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES.
AND SO WE NEED TO FIND A WAY THAT IF WE HOLD IT OVER AND MASSAGE IT SOME, THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY THAT IT WOULD GRANDFATHER THINGS LIKE AMY'S HOUSE IN ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR RUBIN? YEAH, I THINK A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR MAYBE MR. VINCENT, SINCE HE'S THE PARKLAND'S LAND USE COUNSEL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE, THE SCOPE OF PARKLAND'S OPPOSITION.
IT'S SIMPLY TO THE INDUSTRIAL PIECE, RIGHT? THE PIECE ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
PARKLAND DOESN'T HAVE ANY POSITION.
IF THEY DO, IT HASN'T BEEN COMMUNICATED TO ME.
UM, I MEAN, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY COMPLEX SURE.
I MEAN, I LISTENED TO THE, YOUR ENTIRE DISCUSSION AT THE BRIEFING.
THERE'S A LOT OF COMPONENTS TO THIS OTHER THAN THE USE, UM, ALLOWANCES.
YOU KNOW WHAT'S DRIVING, THIS IS WHAT DR.
JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT IN, AND MR. RAJAN, THE ANNIE'S PLACE HAPPENS TO BE IN IR, ALSO HAPPENS TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO, YOU KNOW, NEW PARKLAND, THE CAMPUS.
AND YOU'RE PROBABLY INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE ZONING AROUND THE MEDICAL DISTRICT.
IS IT ALL, IS THE INDUSTRIAL ALL IR OR IS THERE A CHUNK THAT'S IM AS WELL.
UM, I'M DOING THE ZONING MAP FROM MEMORY.
IT'S THE VAST MAJORITY OF, OF IT IS IR THAT, UH, PARKLAND OWNS, I THINK THE SALVATION ARMY COMPLEX HAS A PD.
UH, THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF IMM FARTHER DOWN.
AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HARRY HUNTS, I'M DOING THIS AGAIN FROM MEMORY.
I THINK THAT MAY BE A PD OLD PARKLAND, NOT, NOT OLD PARKLAND, THAT HARLAND CROW OWNS THE PREVIOUS PARKLAND HOSPITAL.
AS WE FIGURE OUT POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS TO THIS, GIVEN PARKLAND'S, YOU KNOW, MAJOR INTEREST IN THIS, FIGURING OUT WHETHER IT'S THE IR PIECE OR IR PLUS IM, THAT THAT CAUSES PARKLAND CONCERN, I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW.
WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK TOGETHER TO DO THAT.
YEAH, JUST A COMMENT FOR STAFF.
IT'S JUST, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR ME.
I, IN DISTRICT THREE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A ISSUE WITH OUR NEXT TO RESIDENCES.
WE TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.
I HAVE TO FIGHT TO KEEP THESE THINGS A HUNDRED FEET, A HUNDRED YARDS, 50 FEET AWAY FROM HOMES.
AND NOW WE'RE SAYING, OH, THE CHILDREN CAN LIVE NEXT TO THEM, BUT THEY CAN'T BE IN DAYCARE NEXT TO THEM.
IT, I JUST HAVE A VERY HARD TIME WITH THE LANGUAGE AROUND IT.
UM, THEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE NEED PEOPLE TO LIVE CLOSE TO WORK.
WE NEED HOUSES, WE NEED APARTMENTS NEXT TO THESE WAREHOUSES SO THESE PEOPLE CAN HAVE SOMEWHERE TO LIVE.
SO IT'S, IT'S, THIS IS WHY THIS BOTHERS ME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF OUR SPEAKERS? COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON, DO YOU HAVE A MERCHANT? I DO.
THANK YOU MR. CHAIR IN THE MATTER OF D C A 2 2 3 DASH 0 0 2, I MOVE TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND HOLD THIS MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OCTOBER THE 19TH.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER CARPENTER FOR YOUR SECOND TO HOLD THE MATTER UNDER ADVISEMENT UNTIL OCTOBER 19TH, KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN COMMENTS.
I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE SPEAKERS WHO WERE WITH US, UM, IN PERSON AND ONLINE TODAY.
I KNOW IT WAS A LONG AFTERNOON FOR YOU ALL AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS.
UM, MANY OF YOU ALSO PROBABLY LISTENED INTO OUR BRIEFING.
THERE'S ROBUST DISCUSSION AND, UM, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.
I'VE ALREADY BEEN ABLE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF YOU.
I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE ALSO REACHED OUT TO STAFF, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO US ON THE 19TH.
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WILL NOW MOVE TO OUR SUBDIVISION DOCKET CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 12 THROUGH 24.ITEMS 19 AND 22 HAVE COME OFF CONSENT.
SO WE'LL TAKE, UH, 12 THROUGH 18, 20 THROUGH 21, AND THEN 23 AND 24, UNLESS THERE IS SOMEONE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THOSE ITEMS. OKAY, LET'S GET THOSE RIGHT INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE.
19 AND 22 WILL BE DISPOSED OF INDIVIDUALLY.
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AND COMMISSIONERS.THE CONSENT ITEMS, UH, ITEM NUMBER 12, SS 2 2 3 DASH 2 34.
ITEM NUMBER 13, SS 2 2 3 DASH 2 35.
ITEM NUMBER 14, SS 2 2 3 DASH 2 36.
ITEM NUMBER 15 S 2 2 3 DASH 2 37.
ITEM NUMBER 16 S 2 2 3 DASH 2 39.
ITEM NUMBER, 17 S 2 2 3 DASH TWO 40.
ITEM NUMBER 21 SS 2 2 3 DASH 2 44.
ITEM NUMBER 23 S 2 2 3 DASH 2 46.
AND ITEM NUMBER 24 S 2 2 3 DASH 2 47.
ALL CASES HAVE BEEN POSTED PER HEARING AT THIS TIME.
AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
THE, UH, COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THE CASES ON THE CONSENT.
AGAIN, THAT'S 12 THROUGH 18, 20 AND 21, 23 AND 24.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER STANNER, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION CONSENT AGENDA OF 12 THROUGH 1820 AND 21, 23 24.
THIS
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER STANDARD FOR THE MOTION AS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, YOUNG FOR THE SECOND, UH, THE ITEMS, AGAIN, 12 THROUGH 18, 20 AND 21, 23 AND 24.
ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT GO TO CASE NUMBER 19.
ITEM NUMBER 19, 2 2 3 DASH 2 42.
IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REFLECT A 0.319 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING, CONTAINING PART OF LOT 11 AND ALL OF LOT TWO OH IN CITY BLOCK 10 OVER 6 0 5 TO CREATE ONE ON PROPERTY LOCATED ON MUNGER AVENUE NORTHWEST OF CADO STREET.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? NO SPEAKERS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
COMMISSIONER KINGSTON, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? I DO.
I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, NOT FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, BUT INSTEAD TONIGHT BECAUSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH 51 A 8.503, I THINK THERE'S AN ESTABLISHED PATTERN OF LOTS IN TERMS OF WITH DEATH AND DEPTH, UM, IN THE AREA THAT RE PLATTING THESE TWO LOTS INTO A SINGLE LOT.
DOES NOT COMPLY WITH, UH, SPECIFICALLY ONE OF THE LOTS THAT THEY'RE TE SEEKING TO HAVE COMBINED HAS BEEN DEVELOPED A SINGLE FAMILY AND ON A SINGLE FAMILY SIZED LOT, AND ALL OF THE LOTS ACROSS THE STREET ARE SIMILARLY PLATTED.
SO I I I JUST DON'T THINK THIS COMPLIES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT CODE STANDARDS.
AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NATURALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THESE ARE THE TYPES OF HOMES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, AND IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS GETS RE PLATTED AND THE HOUSE GETS TORN DOWN, IT'S JUST GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MILLION DOLLAR CONDOS.
I HOPE THAT THE REST OF YOU SEE THE SAME WAY I DO.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KINGSTON.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? COMMISSIONER POPKIN, PLEASE.
I'LL ADD, BECAUSE I'M, I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THIS ISSUE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL, THAT ALTHOUGH THERE ARE LARGER PLATTS, IT APPEARS, UH, TO PLAN NORTH, UM, CONTIGUOUS, LOTS ALONG THIS BLOCK HAVE A VERY CLEAR PATTERN AND THIS REALLY BREAKS UP THAT PATTERN.
SO I'LL, I'LL BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION.
COMMISSIONER RIGHTAWAY, IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S MULTIFAMILY THAT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
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THAT'S CORRECT.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONERS FOR RE VOTE? OKAY, SEE NONE.
ITEM NUMBER 22 S 2 2 3 DASH 2 45.
IT IS AN APPLICATION TO REPORT A 2.4 ACRE LOT CONTAINING ALL OF LOT THREE THROUGH SEVEN, PART OF LOT EIGHT IN CITY BLOCK 43.
30 24 TO CREATE ONE LOT AND PROPERTY LOCATED BETWEEN EWING AVENUE AND JEFFERSON
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITION LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
UH, ANY SPEAKERS HERE? NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, PLATTS, ACROSS ALLEYWAYS.
IT APPEARS THERE'S AN ALLEYWAY THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THIS.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS, HAS OR SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY ALLOW OR WOULD THAT ALLEYWAY BE ABANDONED IN THIS REPL? HOW'S THAT HANDLED? YES.
UH, THAT 20 FEET ALLEYWAY IS TO BE ABANDONED.
SO JUST HALF OF THE ALLEYWAY IS BEING ABANDONED OR I GUESS IT'S NO, THE, NO, THE WHOLE ALLEYWAY THAT'S, UH, THE 20 FOOT ALLEYWAY THAT'S IN THE, UH, WITHIN THIS PROJECT, WITHIN THIS FLAT, IT'S GONNA BE ABANDONED.
SO BEFORE THEY GO THROUGH THE FINAL RECREATION OF PLAN, THEY WILL GO THROUGH, THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ABANDONMENT PROCESS FOR REAL ESTATE.
SO THE ENTIRE, UM, ALLEYWAY FROM, WHAT IS THAT SABINE STREET UP TO KAMAL WILL BECOME PART OF THIS LARGER PROPERTY IF WE PLATTED? UH, NO, UH, SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE PLATT, UH, SO THERE IS LITTLE PORTION THE, UH, TO THE NORTH SIDE OF
BUT THERE IS FROM, FROM THAT PORTION TO ALL THE WAY TO THE COMMONWEALTH STREET, THAT'S GONNA BE ABANDONED.
SO THERE IS SMALL PORTION OF, UH, UH, ALLEY THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA REMAIN.
AND THE WHOLE, WHOLE ALLEY THAT'S WITHIN THE PLATT ITSELF, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE ABANDONED.
UM, WHAT ARE THE LARGER LOT PATTERNS IN THIS AREA? IT'S UNCLEAR FROM, UM, WHAT'S IN OUR CASE REPORT.
AND I'M TRYING TO GET KIND OF A, A GRANDER VIEW OF THIS AREA TO SEE WHAT THE TYPICAL LOT PATTERN IS LOOKING LIKE.
BUT IT APPEARS THAT, UH, WHAT EXISTS CURRENTLY ARE A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND, AND LARGER MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTIES.
SO THIS IS IN ZONING DISTRICT THAT, THAT'S A WALKABLE MIXED USE, UH, THAT AGAIN REFERRED, IT'S IN PD, BUT THAT REFERS BACK TO ARTICLE 13.
THAT'S FORM-BASED ZONING WITH THIS WALKABLE MIXED USE.
UH, SO, UH, IN THAT, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO ANY KIND OF MIXED USE SOFTWARE, MIXED USE, UH, MIXED USE, UH, LAND USES OR APARTMENTS.
SO THAT SPEAKS TO THE LAND USES, BUT WHAT ARE THE SIZES? UM, AND, AND LOT DIMENSIONS OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE VICINITY? IN THE VICINITY, UH, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH LARGER PROPERTY, BUT I, SINCE IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL, UH, RE SINCE IT'S NOT A RESIDENTIAL
SO IT ALLOWS FOR SINGLE FAMILY, IT ALLOWS FOR APARTMENTS, MULTIFAMILY, AND ALSO IT ALLOWS FOR MIXED USE.
AND SO IN A MIXED USE DISTRICT,
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WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST THE, THE PATTERNS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT LOTS IN THE AREA, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL OR RETAILER COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER THEY ARE.SINCE IT'S ALLOWED FOR RETAIL COMMERCIAL, WE, UH, WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A LOT PATTERN.
UH, SINCE IT'S, UH, SINCE MIXED USE, SINCE RETAIL LAND USE ARE ALLOWED.
SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR A LOT PATTERN HERE.
SO THERE'S NOT A LOT PATTERN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, NO, NO.
I, I HAVE NOT DONE THE LOT ANALYSIS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR RETAIL USES AS WELL.
SO IN, SO IT ALLOWS FOR MM-HMM.
SO IN A, IN AN AREA THAT ALLOWS FOR RETAIL USES, WE DON'T LOOK AT THE LOT PATTERN.
YES, WE DO NOT APPLY SIX AND 8.503.
OUR, UH, UH, CITY, UH, CITY OUR, UH, CITY ATTORNEY CAN
UM, OKAY, SO I'M, I'M REALLY WANTING TO GET GOOD CLARITY ON THIS BECAUSE I, I THINK THIS APPLIES TO APL IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD RECENTLY THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT.
UM, BUT, UM, IT RELATES TO, UH, MULTIFAMILY THAT'S NEAR SINGLE FAMILY.
AND, AND SO IN MY MIND THOSE ARE BOTH RESIDENTIAL USES, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MIXED USE IS, IS CLOSER CATEGORIZED TO COMMERCIAL.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN 8.503 APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND, AND THIS, THIS PLATT IS IN PD 4 68, SUBDISTRICTS, D AND E, BOTH OF WHICH ARE NON-RESIDENTIAL.
SO 8.503 WOULD NOT APPLY MULTIFAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO YOU COULD USE 8.503 TO LOOK AT THE ESTABLISHED LOT PATTERN.
SO MULTIFAMILY DOES 8.503 APPLIES TO MULTIFAMILY.
8.503 APPLIES TO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH MULTIFAMILY IS, THAT IS MY QUESTION.
I WAS TRYING TO GET CLARITY ON.
AND THEN YOU ALSO CLARIFIED THAT THIS ISN'T A MIXED USE PD.
SO WE ARE OBLIGATED TO APPROVE ALL RELAS IN AN AREA LIKE THAT.
IF IT CONFORMS WITH THE UNDERLINING ZONING, THEN YES, MA'AM.
IF THE REPL CONFORMS WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING, YES.
AND THE QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION IS THE, THE COMMISSION MUST APPROVE THE PLAT IF IT CONFORMS WITH THE UNDERLINING ZONING.
AND IF 8.503 APPLIES, WHICH IT DOESN'T, AND THEN THIS CASE, UM, IT WOULD HAVE TO CONFORM WITH THE ESTABLISHED LAW PATTERN.
BUT BECAUSE EIGHT 8.503 DOESN'T APPLY, THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT IT CONFORMS WITH THE UNDERLINING ZONING.
AND IF YES, THE COMMISSION MUST APPROVE THE PLANT.
AND SINCE IT'S A PD, I ASSUME OUR STAFF HAVE, HAVE DONE THEIR RESEARCH THAT THERE'S NO LIMITATION TO THE SIZE OF LOTS, IN WHICH CASE IT COMPLIES WITH THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
THANK YOU FOR THIS CONVERSATION.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN, UH, COMMISSIONERS, I, I FAILED TO SEE THAT THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PLATT IS IN FACT ONLINE.
UH, SO WE'LL COME BACK TO QUESTIONS FOR, UH, FROM COMMISSIONERS.
IS MR. NOR ONLINE? I DON'T THINK THAT'S HIM.
COMMISSIONERS QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
APPARENTLY THE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, ANDERSON, PLEASE, MR. CHAIR.
UM, THIS QUESTION, MR. POOR, UM, CHARMILLA.
SO YOU SAID THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REPLANTING PROCESS FOR THE ABANDONMENT OF THE ALLEY? I MEAN, NO.
OH, UH, ACTUALLY THEY ARE TRYING TO ABANDON THROUGH THIS PROCESS, UH, THROUGH PLATING.
SO BEFORE THE FINAL AND RECORD THE PLAT, THEY HAVE TO ABANDON.
SO THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE ABANDONED PROCESS VIA, UH, UH, THROUGH REAL ESTATE.
SO THEY'RE GOING TO ABANDON THAT PORTION OF ALLEY 20 FOOT ALLEY THAT'S WITHIN THAT, UH, PLA WOULDN'T THAT DECISION HAVE TO BE MADE
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PRIOR TO A RE PLA? WE GOING TO ABANDON THE ALLEY OR NOT? UM, ISN'T THAT A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE PRIOR TO THE SURROUNDING OWNERS, ASSUMING THAT THAT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, THEY ARE GOING TO ABANDON.THAT'S, THAT'S THE PRO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLA THEY HAVE MENTIONED THEY'RE GONNA ABANDON THAT ALLEY 25TH.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, UH, MS. ESTA, AM I RIGHT THAT CONDITION SIX REQUIRES, UH, INSTRUMENTS OF ABANDONMENT TO BE SUBMITTED BEFORE THE FINAL PLAT, UH, ALONG WITH A RELEASE FROM THE REAL ESTATE DIVISION? THAT IS CORRECT.
AM I FURTHER RIGHT THAT THE PLATT SHOWS THE ALLEY AS TO BE ABANDONED? THAT'S CORRECT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, COMMISSIONER POPKIN, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? YES.
UM, MICROPHONE IN THE MATTER OF S UH, 2 2 3 2 4 5.
UM, I MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER POPKIN FOR YOUR MOTION.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE OF THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
THE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES TO NUMBER 25.
ITEM NUMBER 25 S 2 2 3 DASH 2 38.
IT IS AN APPLICATION TO PLT A 1.059 ACRE TRACK OF LAND CONTAINING ALL OF LOT 11 IN CITY BLOCK A OVER 55 14 TO CREATE ONE LOT AND TO, AND TO REDUCE THE EXISTING 135 FEET PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 50 FEET ALONG THE NORTHWEST LINE OF D DARIA PLACE AND PROPERTY LOCATED ON DARIA PLACE SOUTH OF METERS LANE.
11 NOTICES WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY ON SEPTEMBER FIVE, SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2023.
WE HAVE RECEIVED SIX REPLIES IN FAVOR AND ZERO REPLY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.
THIS REQUEST REQUESTS, UH, REQUESTS TWO VOTES BECAUSE IT, IT IS A REPLY AND IT INVOLVES THE RE REDUCTION OF THE PLA BUILDING LINE.
THE FIRST VOTE IS TO APPROVE OR DENY THE REDUCTION OF THE PLA BUILDING LINE.
AND THE SECOND VOTE IS FOR APPROVAL OF NEL OF THE NEW PLA STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION ON REDUCTION OF OF THE PLA BUILDING LINE IS APPROVAL AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE, UH, REMO ON THE PLAT, UH, ON THE RE PLATT IS, UH, APPROVAL SUBJECT TO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET AND OR AS AMENDED AT THE HEARING.
CARL CROWLEY, 2201 MAIN STREET.
I THINK YOU HAVE MY PRESENTATION, I THINK.
UH, AND I WANNA SAY, UM, SOMETHING TO MICHAEL AND, AND, 'CAUSE MICHAEL AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR DECADES, SO I'D SAID DECADES.
WE'RE GONNA GET, WE'RE GONNA GET TO THAT LATER.
UM, SO IF YOU'LL JUST GO TO, I GUESS SLIDE NUMBER THREE.
UM, THIS IS A, A RELAID, BUT REALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS, UH, TO, UH, REMOVE THE BUILDING LINE AND GO TO THE ZONING.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ON HERE YOU HAVE, UM, THIS PLATT WAS DONE IN 1945.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE RED LINES ARE, UM, EVERYBODY HAD A 1 35 BUILDING LINE AT ONE TIME.
UM, THERE'S ONE A LOT SORT OF AROUND THE CORNER FROM US, UH, TWO LOTS AWAY THAT HAS A 75 FOOT BUILDING LINE.
UM, WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT SOMEWHAT FROM THEM.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL REALIZE WHO, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST, IT'S THE G W B TRUST.
AND THE KEY TO THAT IS W UM, THAT'S WHERE, UH, PRESIDENT BUSH LIVES.
UH, THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO US IS THE SECRET SERVICE HOUSE.
UM, AMY, WHO, UH, MATTHEWS HERE WITH US, SHE WENT OUT AND TAKE PICTURES AND, AND SHE WAS ASKED NOT REALLY TO TAKE PICTURES.
UM, AND THEN THREE SUBURBANS WITH TINTED WINDOWS LEFT.
AND I SAID, WELL, THERE HE GOES,
UM, SO ANYWAY, WE'VE, UH, THIS, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BUILD A MCMANSION OR ANYTHING.
THERE'S ALSO, IF YOU'LL LOOK CLOSE AND IT'S HARD TO SEE, THERE'S ACTUALLY A CREEK SORT OF BETWEEN US AND THE STREET.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BUILD CLOSE TO THE 50 FOOT LINE.
UH, WE WANT TO ADD A POOL AND A LITTLE POOL HOUSE THAT'LL BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK, AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN SUPPORT WE'D ASK YOU TO SUPPORT.
IT'S PRETTY, IT'S LIKE WE'RE THE LAST GUY ON
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THE BLOCK THAT DOESN'T HAVE A 50 FOOT BUILDING LINE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO BE LEFT OUT.UH, LET'S GO TO OUR ONE SPEAKER ONLINE.
UH, MS. MATTHEWS, ARE YOU, ARE YOU ON LINE? OH, UH, SHE ACTUALLY HAD TO GO TO A CONCERT.
IT WAS NOT BOB MARLEY AND THE WHALERS, UH, BOB DIDN'T SHOW UP TONIGHT.
I DON'T THINK BOB IS GONNA BE LATE TO THAT CONCERT.
I THINK HE WAS GONNA PHONE IT IN.
QUESTIONS FOR MR. CROWLEY? COMMISSIONER, UH, HAMPTON.
UM, MR. CROWLEY, JUST ONE QUESTION.
I NOTICED ON THE, UM, PLAT THAT THERE IS AN EXISTING, IT LOOKS LIKE TO BE A SANITARY SEWER EASEMENT.
AND WITH THIS REDUCTION, I'M PRESUMING THAT WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED IN REGARDS TO AN EASEMENT WOULD BE WE'RE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EASEMENT.
THE EASEMENT ACTUALLY GOES THROUGH THE CREEK.
SORT OF THROUGH THERE AS SANITARY SEWER LIKES TO DO
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT OUR CONSIDERATION.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING TO BE EDUCATED HERE.
SO IS THE REASON THIS IS BEFORE US IS BECAUSE THE EXISTING LOT REQUIRES 130 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE ROAD? YES.
AND SO WE'RE JUST CHANGING THAT TO A 50 YARD SETBACK.
50 FOOT, WHICH IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING.
AND THE ACTUAL OUTLINE OF THE PLATT IS NOT CHANGING AT ALL? NO.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? SEEING NONE.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? OKAY.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT CASE, NOT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S MY LAST ONE, BUT HOW COULD IT BE BETTER THAN THIS ONE? OKAY.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T CALL THE COMMISSIONER OVER TO CONSULT, BUT ANYWAY, OKAY.
I HAVE TWO MOTIONS ACTUALLY, IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, BACK TO OUR MINISTERIAL, DANIEL.
OKAY, IN CASE NUMBER S 2 2 3 2 3 8, I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE A PORTION OF THE EXISTING 135 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 50 FEET ALONG THE NORTHWEST LINE OF DARIA PLACE.
WITH THE FINDING OF FACT, THAT REDUCTION OF THAT PORTION OF THE PLATTED BUILDING LINE WILL NOT REQUIRE A MINIMUM FRONT SIDE OR REAR YARD SETBACK LINE LESS THAN REQUIRED BY THE ZONING REGULATION AND NOT BE CONTRARY TO THE PUBLIC INTERESTS, NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORHOOD AND PROPERTIES, OR ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PLAN FOR THE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBDIVISION, MR. PRESIDENT.
COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER YOUNG, PLEASE.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THE LANGUAGE.
A PORTION OF IS, IS IT NOT THE CASE THAT THE ENTIRETY OF THIS LOT IS CURRENTLY BURDENED BY A 135 FOOT BUILDING LINE? THAT IS CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THAT WAS A DRAFTING ERROR ON MY PART COMMISSIONER STANDARD.
I WILL AMEND THAT TO AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO REDUCE THE EXISTING 135 FOOT PLATTED BUILDING LINE TO 50 FEET ALONG THE NORTHWEST LINE OF DARIA PLACE WITH THE FINDING OF FACT THAT REDUCTION WILL NOT, AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA,
COMM COMMISSIONER HAMPTON IS GOOD WITH THAT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OH, ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
SECOND MOTION IN CASE NUMBER SS 2 23 DASH 2 38, I MOVE TO FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE RELA SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS LISTED IN THE DOCKET.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAMPTON FOR YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER YOUNG FOR YOUR SECOND.
ANY COMMENTS ON YOUR SECOND MOTION? COMMISSIONER HERBERT, THE DETENTION PO
ALTHOUGH IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. CROWLEY.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, I I GUESS BEFORE WE WRAP UP, UH, MR. CROWLEY, THAT THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG HERE, THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER POPKIN AND COMMISSIONER STANDARD AND COMMISSIONER YOUNG WILL BE ROLLING OFF THE C P C AND ALTHOUGH IT'S OUR, OUR STANDARD PRACTICE TO HAVE THEM BACK AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE, THE CUPCAKE AND THE CERTIFICATE, WHICH WE OF COURSE HOPE TO HAVE, UH, I WANT TO KIND OF OPEN IT UP A LITTLE BIT HERE, UH, AT THIS MOMENT TO KINDA, UH, HONOR THEM A LITTLE BIT.
I KNOW MR. CROWLEY REALLY, REALLY WANTS TO START, SO WE'LL LET HIM BEGIN.
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I, I, I, I, I DO, UM, UH, I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER SAND, WHO, WHO HAS ONLY BEEN HERE TWO YEARS, BUT, BUT, UM, I'LL HAVE TO SAY I'VE WATCHED HER GROW, UM, INTO, UM, UM, A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS TO, UM, A BULL IN A CHINA SHOP ON OCCASION, WHICH IS GOOD.YOU, YOU QUESTION THINGS AND YOU ASK WHY.
AND, AND INSTEAD OF JUST, JUST SAYING, OKAY, UM, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S I FROM OUR SIDE AND I'M JUST SPEAKING FROM OUR SIDE, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE MISSED.
UM, AND, AND YOU'RE ALWAYS THERE TO GO TO A MEETING AND LISTEN AND, AND COMMUNICATE.
COMMISSIONER POPKIN ACTUALLY CALLED ME YESTERDAY, IT DIALED ME BY NUMBER, BY MISTAKE.
AND SHE GOES, WHO ARE YOU?
AND, AND MAYBE THERE'S, YOU'RE GOING OFF THE COMMISSION, SO WHO KNOWS? UM, UH, I REALLY WANTED TO CONCENTRATE ON, ON, ON MICHAEL AND I, I CALL HIM MICHAEL BECAUSE, UH, WHEN, UM, I CAME TO WORK FOR THE CITY IN 1988, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY THE DAY AFTER GEORGE HW WAS ELECTED, UM, THAT WEDNESDAY, UH, MICHAEL WAS EITHER ON THE PLANE COMMISSIONER OR ZAC OR EVERYTHING.
UM, AND SO I'VE KNOWN MICHAEL, I GUESS FOR 35 ISH YEARS.
AND, AND WELL, I TOLD YOU, BUT I DID.
UM, MICHAEL HAD DARK HAIR AND I HAD HAIR THEN.
UM, AND I HAVE NONE OF THAT NOW.
AND MICHAEL'S HAIR IS NOT AS DARK NOW.
UM, BUT MICHAEL AND I WOULD, UH, ON OCCASION THROUGHOUT MY TIME, THE 10 YEARS I WAS WITH THE CITY AND SINCE THEN WOULD, UM, WE'RE KIND OF BOTH KIND OF WEIRD NERD KINDA ZONING PEOPLE.
UM, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY PROUD OF IT, BUT WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SAYING IT.
WE WOULD SPAR WITH EACH OTHER OR AT LEAST CHALLENGE EACH OTHER WITH ZONING QUESTIONS IN THE CODE.
MICHAEL OBVIOUSLY HELPED WRITE THE CODE WHEN, WHEN IT WAS DONE 51 TO 51 A.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO 51 B BECAUSE 51 A WAS ALWAYS KNOWN AS THE CONSULTANTS RELIEF ACT OF 1989.
SO 51 B WILL BE THE CONSULTANTS RELIEF ACT OF 2020 SOMETHING.
UM, BUT, UH, I'VE ALWAYS ENJOYED, UH, TALKING TO MICHAEL.
MICHAEL MAY, MAY NOT AGREE WITH YOU, BUT HE'S ALWAYS GONNA TELL YOU WHY AND BE POLITE ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, UH, UH, UH, DALLAS AND, UH, DALLAS KAMAN AND I WERE TALKING TODAY THAT WE WILL MS. MICHAEL BECAUSE, UM, MICHAEL, YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO HIM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO HIM, HE KNOWS THE CODE BETTER THAN, WELL, HE KNOWS THE CODE BETTER THAN ANYONE IN THIS BUILDING, AND I'M INCLUDING THE SEVENTH FLOOR, OBVIOUSLY, UM, BECAUSE HE, HE'LL WRITE IT AND STUFF, BUT, UH, YOU'LL BE MS. MICHAEL.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WON'T STILL TEXT YOU AND JOKE ABOUT THINGS AS YOU AND I ARE BOTH WATCHING THE COUNCIL OR PLAYING COMMISSION HEARINGS.
SO I WILL PROMISE YOU THAT I WILL KEEP DOING THAT FOR YOU.
SO THANK YOU, MICHAEL, FOR YOUR 35 YEARS.
ALTHOUGH I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO SAY IT, YEARS OF SERVICE, I'M NOT CONVINCED HE WON'T BE BACK.
THANK YOU MR. CARLEY FOR THAT.
UH, VICE CHAIR RUBIN, I DON'T HAVE PREPARED REMARKS, SO LET ME, LET ME SHOOT FROM THE HIP JUST A LITTLE BIT.
LET ME START WITH COMMISSIONER POPKIN OVER THERE.
UM, I, I THOUGHT JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ONE OF YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS ON THE PLAN COMMISSIONER, I THOUGHT YOUR WORK ON WCAP WAS INCREDIBLE, AND I KNOW HOW MUCH TIME AND HART YOU INVESTED ON THAT.
I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WE DELIVERED SOMETHING TO YOU FROM CLUB THAT WAS GOOD AND YOU MADE IT INFINITELY BETTER, UM, WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB ON THAT.
UM, COMMISSIONER STANDARD, I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU.
I THANK, YOU'VE GIVEN ME SOME REALLY INCISIVE FEEDBACK ON SOME OF THE CASES THAT I'VE WORKED AND REALLY HELPED GET THOSE PROJECTS INTO A MUCH BETTER, UM, SPOT.
SO I AM, I AM VERY GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR THAT AND BEING WILLING TO THINK ABOUT THINGS FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT ANGLES AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES SHAKE THINGS UP WHEN WE REALLY NEED TO SHAKE IT UP AND THINK ABOUT THINGS IN A, A DIFFERENT WAY.
UM, COMMISSIONER MO YOUNG, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD FOUR YEARS ON THIS PLAN COMMISSION WITH YOU.
YOU KNOW, WE WORK IN THE SAME BUILDING, SO I I WILL PROBABLY BE SEEING YOU, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS AND THE, THE, THE LOBBY, YOU KNOW, FROM TIME TO TIME.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA MISS ALL THREE OF YOU, BUT I WILL, YOU KNOW, MISS YOU IN PARTICULAR, UM, NOT ONLY FOR YOUR ENCYCLOPEDIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE CHAPTER 51 A AND TEXAS LAW APPLICABLE TO ZONING, BUT ALSO YOUR INCREDIBLE WITT.
YOU, YOU MANAGED TO CRACK ME UP FROM MEETING, TO MEETING, TO MEETING.
AND I, I HOPE YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTUDY WHO'S PREPARED TO, UH, STEP INTO YOUR SHOES BECAUSE EVEN THE HEAVIEST MEETINGS YOU MANAGE TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THINGS
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LIGHT DURING SOME VERY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS.SO I LOOK FORWARD TO STAYING FRIENDS WITH ALL OF Y'ALL, UM, AS YOU GO ON LIFE'S NEXT GREAT ADVENTURE, SOME OF WHICH ARE NEAR, SOME OF WHICH ARE QUITE FAR AWAY.
BUT, UH, I MAY BUY A PLANE TICKET TO AMSTERDAM AND, UM, YOU KNOW, BEST OF LUCK TO Y'ALL IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RUBEN, COMMISSIONER HERBERT AS THE ROOKIE ON THE CREW TODAY.
YOU THREE HAVE MADE SEVERAL DIFFERENT IMPRESSIONS ON ME.
YOU KNOW, UM, COMMISSIONER STANDARD, WE HAVE A ALABAMA LOUISIANA CONNECTION.
UM, AND I MUST SAY WE COME FROM GENERATIONS THAT ARE SEPARATE, THAT ARE DIFFERENT, BUT WHEN I SPEAK, YOU LISTEN, YOU LOOK AT ME, YOU'RE ATTENTIVE TO ME EVEN AT HAPPY HOUR, RIGHT? SO, AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I GOT TO SEE THIS COMMISSION IN ACTION AS A RESIDENT FIGHTING WAREHOUSES AND FIGHTING SOME OF THE BIGGEST CORPORATIONS IN THIS CITY.
UM, AND THE INTELLIGENCE FROM COMMISSIONER YOUNG WAS IMPRESSIVE THEN, RIGHT? BUT OFTEN I SIT AT THIS TA THAT DESK AND IN THE BACK, AND I'M WOWED AT WHAT HE KNOWS.
UM, HISTORICALLY STUFF, NOT WRITTEN, STUFF WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS.
AND THEN COMMISSIONER POPKIN, UM, YOUR ENERGY, YOUR YOUTH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ABILITY TO CONNECT WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU, WHO DON'T REACT LIKE YOU IS IMPRESSIVE.
UM, AND THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE PEOPLE OF DALLAS, ALL OF Y'ALL.
WELL, I JUST, I HAVE ENJOYED BEING CHALLENGED BY COMMISSIONER STANDARD, AND I WILL MISS THAT BECAUSE IT IS MUCH NEEDED.
I THINK IT BRINGS A PERSPECTIVE THAT, UM, KEEPS US ALL MOVING FORWARD IN A GOOD DIRECTION.
AND SIMILARLY WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER POPKIN, UM, WE ACTUALLY GOT TO WORK TOGETHER ON A CASE BEFORE SHE WAS HERE AND WAS GRATEFUL TO HAVE HER VOICE JOIN OURS AROUND THIS HORSESHOE.
AND I WON'T KEEP US HERE FOR AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT COMMISSIONER YOUNG, BUT EXPECT TO ALSO STAY IN CONTACT WITH HIM.
I HAVE A FEELING, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, YOU'LL BECOME A, A ZONING CONSULTANT FOR COMMISSIONERS
WE'RE GONNA BE HELP HOW TO MAKE THAT
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? I, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL GO BEFORE YOU.
WHO'S GONNA READ THE MINUTES, RIGHT? OH, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA CAU WELL, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR ME, UM, COMMISSIONER POPKIN, UM, YOU, YOU STEPPED IN KIND OF A DIFFICULT ROLE, IN FACT TO JUST, TO SERVE ON THIS BODY.
I THINK THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE IT'S SUCH A, IT'S SUCH A BRUISING POSITION FOR, UH, FOR A ROOKIE, FOR A NOVICE, FOR, UH, A NON-PAID POSITION.
THIS IS REALLY A DIFFICULT, TOUGH JOB.
AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE KIND OF TOUGH TO DO IT.
UM, AND YOU, YOU STEPPED INTO A ROLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE FREQUENTLY TALK ABOUT AREAS THAT ARE TRANSITIONING, AND YOU'RE REPRESENTING A DISTRICT THAT IS TRANSITIONING AND IT'S TRANSITIONING FAST.
UH, AND SO HOW YOU WERE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT AND STAY CALM.
I KNOW THE WOKE APP, UH, PROCESS WAS VERY DIFFICULT ON YOU, AND, UH, YOU HANDLED IT VERY CALMLY, AND I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THAT.
SO YOU WILL BE GREATLY MISSED.
UH, COMMISSIONER STANDARD, UH, TALK ABOUT DIFFICULT DISTRICTS,
UH, BUT I THINK YOU WERE UP TO THE TASK ABSOLUTELY.
AND MORE SO, UH, YOU, YOU BROUGHT A LOT OF ENERGY AND ALWAYS, UH, DEFINITELY NOT AFRAID TO ASK THE HARD QUESTIONS THAT FRANKLY NEED TO BE ASKED.
SO I I'M GONNA MISS THAT, UH, FROM COMING FROM 13, UM, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, WHAT CAN WE SAY? WHAT COULD WE POSSIBLY SAY? UH, UH, I THINK THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT HAVING COMMISSIONER YOUNG ON THE PLANE COMMISSION IS THAT HE, HE VERY FREQUENTLY HAS THE ANSWER TO THE MOST DIFFICULT QUESTION TO ASK, WHICH IS WHY, WHY IS IT THE WAY IT IS? AND, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR ME SITTING HERE WHEN SOMEONE ASKED THAT, I TURNED TO MY LEFT TO SEE WHAT, WHY IS THAT COMMISSIONER YOUNG? AND THEN FRANKLY, ALSO JUST THE GREAT STORIES, UH, THAT I'M, I'M GONNA MISS, INCLUDING ONE THAT I HEARD TODAY AT LUNCH, THAT IN 1987 WHEN COMMISSIONER YOUNG WAS APPOINTED THE, THE CITY PLAN COMMISSION ATE LUNCH FROM THE CHEF THAT ALSO SERVED CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE CITY COUNCIL CHEF WAS THE CHEF FOR THE PLANE COMMISSION.
AND SO, UH, I'M GONNA MISS THIS, THOSE, THOSE STORIES, UH, FROM YOU, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
AND IT WAS AN HONOR FOR ME TO SERVE WITH YOU, SIR.
YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? YES, DR.
UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE, FOR YOUR DEDICATION.
UM, I'M SPEAKING FOR ON BEHALF OF, OF STAFF.
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UM, I'M ALSO SPEAKING PERSONALLY, I STARTED HERE FIVE YEARS AGO.YOU HELPED ME A LOT, GROW AS A PLANNER.
SO ME PERSONALLY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT.
WE APPRECIATE SO MUCH THE WORK THAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY.
IT'S A TREMENDOUS DEDICATION AND VOLUNTEERING.
AND I WANNA KNOW, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE SEE YOU AND YOU APPRECIATE THAT.
WE APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP AND THE TRUST THAT YOU OFFER US, AND IT'S COMPLETELY RECIPROCAL.
UM, I COMMEND YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE GROWTH OF THE CITY, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING OUR PARTNERS.
UH, BUT IT WAS A MEANINGFUL JOURNEY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
PLEASE LET ME START WITH COMMISSIONERS POPKIN AND STANFORD, UH, STANDARD, I'M SORRY.
UM, COMMISSIONER POPKIN, I GOT TO KNOW YOU WHEN YOU WERE A ZONING CONSULTANT WORKING ON THE LINCOLN KATY TRAIL CASE, AND THEN HAD OCCASION TO, UH, TO GET TO KNOW YOU AS A PLAN COMMISSIONER.
ALL I CAN SAY IS I HOPE AMSTERDAM HAS A PLAN COMMISSION, AND I HOPE TO, UH, SEE REPORTS OF IT IN THE NEWS, UH, WITH COMMISSIONER POPKIN, UH, BRINGING HER EXPERTISE TO BEAR IN THAT REGARD.
BEST OF LUCK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER STA I WAS WARNED ABOUT YOU.
UH, I WAS WARNED THAT YOU WERE IRREPRESSIBLE AND YOU LIVED UP TO THAT EXPECTATION IN FULL.
WHAT I WAS NOT TOLD IN ADVANCE WAS THAT YOU WERE ONE OF THE, UH, NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS WHO ROLLED UP HER SLEEVES AND DUG INTO CASES IN HER DISTRICT TO THEIR ULTIMATE DEPTH.
AND I QUICKLY LEARNED THAT, AND I QUICKLY LEARNED TO RESPECT YOU FOR IT AND TO APPRECIATE THE WORK PRODUCT THAT CAME OUT OF THAT IN RESPONSE TO ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO ME TONIGHT.
I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL THAT I REGARD ALL OF YOU AS MY FAMILY AND HAVE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS AS FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE MOVED INTO AND OUT OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND THAT INCLUDES THE STAFF.
AND WE HAVE ACTED LIKE A FAMILY.
WE HAVE DISAGREED FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN DISAGREEABLE TO ONE ANOTHER.
WE HAVE RESPECTED EACH OTHER AND EACH OTHER'S ROLES AND OPINIONS, AND HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT EACH ONE OF US IS DOING WHAT WE CAN BEST DO TO SERVE THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UH, I'M GONNA BE MOVING ON TO SERVE THE CITY OF DALLAS ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.
I THINK YOU WILL VERY MUCH ENJOY GETTING TO KNOW AND WORK WITH MY REPLACEMENT NEIL SLEEPER.
UH, HE IS A VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, VERY THOUGHTFUL, VERY CONSCIENTIOUS AND VERY HONORABLE MAN.
AND I'M, UH, WE MAY NOT, HE MAY NOT VOTE THE WAY I WOULD'VE VOTED ON EVERY SINGLE MATTER, BUT I THINK WE'LL MAKE AN EXCELLENT COMMISSIONER.
DON'T BE STRANGERS AND I EXPECT TO SEE YOU AROUND.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER YOUNG.
COMMISSIONER STANDARD, PLEASE.
YEAH, YOU KNOW, I'M THE OLDEST ONE HERE, AS YOU ALL KNOW.
AND SOMEONE SAID, WELL, YOU'RE STILL SO WITH IT AND INVOLVED, AND YOUR MIND'S STILL GOING.
YOU KNOW, WHEN I STARTED OFF, LIKE CARL SAID, A DEER, UH, WITH THE DEER AND THE HEADLIGHTS, I MEAN, I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, I WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVIST AND LEARNED THE OUTSIDES OF ZONING, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE PEOPLE STANDING UP AND WAITING HERE FOR SIX AND SEVEN HOURS AND LEARNING LITTLE BITS ABOUT IT.
BUT IT'S BEEN A GREAT LEARNING CURVE, AND IT'S STIMULATING EACH CASE AND SOME OF THE SMALLEST ONES HAS MADE, HAVE MADE YOU THINK THE MOST.
AND, YOU KNOW, I LEARNED, IT'S ALMOST LIKE BEING A CIVIL ENGINEER SOMETIMES.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST BEEN FASCINATING.
I, IN SOME WAYS, I BECAME ONE OF THOSE ZONING NERDS, AND YOU DO IT QUICKLY.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE IT'S CONTAGIOUS.
BUT NO DOUBT, THE GREATEST PART OF THIS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AROUND AND EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR OWN GIFT HERE, AND IT'S ALL VERY DIFFERENT.
BUT YOU GET TO WHERE IT'S COMFORTING.
YOU RECOGNIZE IT, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR, THEY KNOW AND THEIR NICHE IS.
AND I JUST HAVE REALLY FELT THE SAME THING, EVEN IN THE SHORT TIME, THAT THIS IS LIKE A FAMILY, YOU KNOW? AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE.
I MEAN, DEBORAH TOLD ME TODAY I WAS A PAIN IN THE ASS.
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YEAH.BUT I HAD WONDER I WAS COMING AFTER HER CASE.
BUT RATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID TO ABOUT THAT, THAT THERE IS A WARMTH WITH A MUTUAL RESPECT.
YOU KNOW, I WISH THAT THE, THE MACRO, YOU KNOW, WAS PARALLELING THIS MICRO, THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND WORK TOGETHER IN A CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL WAY.
AND I JUST HAVE ALWAYS FELT LIKE WE'VE HAD HEALTHY DEBATES AND PEOPLE HAVE CONTRIBUTED THINGS.
AND, AND ANOTHER THING I WANNA THANK PEOPLE FOR IS YOU'VE MADE MY CASES BETTER.
YOU KNOW, I WELCOME, I THINK THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BECOME A MORE COLLABORATIVE COMMISSION.
THAT PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO EACH OTHER EVEN ON THEIR OWN CASE.
AND MAYBE YOU MISSED SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING WASN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST OVERLOOKED IT.
I, I JUST THINK THIS HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE FOR ME.
I MEAN, I HOPE TO, YOU KNOW, GO ON AND DO SOME OTHER SERVICE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS.
THIS IS THE ONLY THING THEY SAY PURPOSE.
AND I FELT LIKE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, I'VE HAD A PURPOSE IN SERVING DALLAS AND HOPEFULLY MAKING IT A BETTER CITY.
AND I WAS SAYING TO MELISSA, AND I'M MOST PROUD OF MY WORK ON STR.
THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT.
AND I HOPE IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE CITY.
BUT I REALLY HAVE ENJOYED GETTING TO KNOW ALL OF YOU.
YOU, I KNOW I'M A CHARACTER AND I KNOW I'M OUTSPOKEN, BUT Y'ALL HAVE TOLERATED IT VERY WELL.
I HAVE ONE REMOTE PLANNER THAT'S PART-TIME THAT WORKS WITH ME.
SO YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN MY FAMILY, MY WORK FAMILY, MY COWORKERS.
I WOULD STILL MAKE A, ANOTHER COMMENT.
SO,
WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A GIFT, UH, A CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION BECAUSE IT'S VERY MEANINGFUL WORK FOR, FOR US AS WELL, AND A LITTLE CAR FROM US.
AND PROBABLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LITTLE CAKE.
SO, UM, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY.
I HOPE TO BRING ALL THREE OF YOU AT ONCE.
SO WE HAVE A LITTLE, A LUNCH PARTY.
UM, SO WE WILL SEE YOU PROBABLY AT THE NEXT ONE.
IF YOU, IF YOU CAN MAKE IT, CAN YOU DO IT IN AMSTERDAM? I KNOW
UM, LET'S MAKE SURE WE TAKE A PICTURE BEFORE EVERYBODY LEAVES.
UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I MOVE THE ADJOURNED.
COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THANK YOU.
SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STANDARD AND POPKIN.
IT IS 6:19 PM OUR MEETING IS ADJOURNED.