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YOU VERY MUCH, IAN.TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, FIRST'S 9:05 AM WELCOME, CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING FROM DALLAS POINT COMMISSION.
AS ALWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JUST THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.
STAFF, UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS BEFORE SHOOT THIS AFTERNOON AT 1230, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A SPECIAL BRIEFING THAT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE THOUGHT WE'D BEGIN THE, THE MORNING WITH THE, UH, THE DAYCARE PIECE, BUT WE'RE GONNA START WITH MISCELLANEOUS AND THAT WE HAVE SOME MOVING PARTS TODAY.
SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, MS. BLUE DONNA.
AND IT IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING S U P SET PLAN, AN EXISTING S U P LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IT'S S U P 1505, AND IT'S 4.409 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 12.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FRANKFORD ROAD IN CRUST ROAD AND FAR NORTH DALLAS.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING S U P CYCLING LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PD 1 73 TO ALL BE IN CONCERT TOGETHER.
UH, THE, THEY ARE EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OF AN EXISTING MODULAR BUILDING, UH, AND SHOWING THE EXISTING REAR PARKING LOT AS IT IS CURRENTLY IN THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING.
HOWEVER, THAT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED.
HERE IS THE AREA, AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS BEING EXPANDED.
THIS IS THE, UH, MODULAR BUILDING THAT IS BEING EXPANDED IN THIS AREA.
AND YOU CAN SEE HOW RIGHT HERE IS THE EXPANSION WITH THE SHOWING OF THE CURRENTLY EXISTING PARKING AREA.
AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CURRENTLY EXISTING DOES NOT.
THE LANDSCAPING ITSELF DOES NOT CHANGE.
HOWEVER, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS TO REFLECT THE DIFFERENT BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN THE PARKING LOT AS IT EXISTS SO THAT IT'S IN CONCEPT WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WITH THE EXISTING, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE PROPOSED S U P SITE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
SO THE, THE LANDSCAPING, THE REMAINS THE SAME.
AND THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENLARGEMENT REFLECTING OF THE PARKING LOT AS IT EXISTS.
UH, THE T AND P, UH, HAS, UH, BEEN AMEN TO JANE.
UH, WELL, IT'S, IT IS CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE.
IT IS NO CHANGE, UM, TO THE LAYOUT OF THE T P AND ION
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IS YOUR HONOR.MS QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SO YOUR NEXT ITEM IS M 2 23 0 3 2.
AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM THE STREET FACING SHIP REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE KEY STREET AND GOULD STREET IN PD THREE 17, WHICH IS THE CEDAR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, UM, WITHIN SUBDISTRICT TWO.
IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GOULD STREET AND THE KEY STREET, IT'S 2,500 SQUARE FEET, NOT 25,000 AS IT WAS
UH, THIS IS I THINK THE THIRD, UH, APPLICATION OR REQUEST THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN FOR THE RELIEF OF SPEED FACING, UM, FACADE FRONTAGE IN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
UH, IT IS JUST SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN AGAIN, IN, IN, UH, PD THREE 17, THE CEDAR SPECIAL CORPUS DISTRICT.
AND, UH, IT'S LOCATED, YOU CAN SEE HERE IS ROLLED STREET, UH OH, YOU CAN'T SEE.
AND MCKEES STREET, UM, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS TO THE NORTH, IS UNDEVELOPED, TO THE NORTHEAST IS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, JUST TO THE NORTHWEST IS A BIG PARKING AREA.
AND BOTH TIMES THAT I HAD BEEN OUT THERE, THEY WERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF UNLOADING GOING ON, UM, IN THAT PARKING LOT ON 18 HILLS.
YOU'LL HAVE TO SEE IN SOME OF MY PICTURES COMING UP, UM, FOR ACCESS TO, I BELIEVE THESE, UM, THESE, UH, WAREHOUSES, THEY SPOKE UP HERE.
UM, THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY JUST TO THE WEST, SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH.
AND, UM, THEN AS YOU CROSS ACKER, YOU'VE GOT MULTI-FAMILY AND, UM, WHICH SOME PARKING ON THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE CITY THERE.
SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO A LITTLE BIT BACK INTO, INSTEAD OF SHOWING YOU ALL OF THE SITE AREA FIRST, I'M GOING WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN THAT IS PROPOSED, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO SOME OF THE SITE PICTURES SO YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO THE RED IT, THE RED AREA, UH, THE RED LINES ARE THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINES.
UM, THE GREEN AREA IS THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM, UH, FRONT YARD AREA THAT THE STREET THAT 70% OF THE STREET FACING FACADE IS TO BE IN, TO BE LOCATED IN.
UM, BUT THEN YOU SEE THE, UH, THE BLUE LIGHT BLUE TRANSPARENT TRIANGLE COMING ACROSS HERE.
THAT IS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT IS PREVENTING, UM, DEVELOPMENT OR ANY FACADE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
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YOU ALSO HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE TURQUOISE LINES OR THE SIDEWALKS, UH, AND COURSE THE, THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SINK INFRAS STRUCTURE.SO TO, TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, AGAIN, THE GREEN AREA IS THE AREA THAT THE FACADE IS REQUIRED TO BE IN.
UM, THE TODAY, THIS ISN'T THE NORTH, THE PLAIN NORTH, UH, IS A DRIVE INTO THE, THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.
AND SO IN TO A DEGREE O THAT, UM, THE SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST IS THE STREET FACING THE SOD FRONTAGE OF DESTRUCTION IS REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN A MINIMUM FIVE FEET AND MAXIMUM EIGHT FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR 70% OF THE LOT WOOD.
UM, THAT, THAT AREA THAT WE WERE TA THAT I'M TA SPEAKING TO NOW, WAS WHAT WAS SHOWN IN GREEN ON THE SITE.
UM, AND AS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN, GOUL STREET, HE IS MAKE, UH, IS ONLY ABLE TO, UM, ACQUIRE 38% OF THE STREET FACING FACADE TO BE LOCATED WITH THEM, OR 19 FEET OF THE 50 FOOT LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.
MCKEE STREET IS PROPOSING 68% OR 34 FEET OF 55TH, UH, PROPERTY LINE WITH WIDTH OF PROPERTY LINE.
THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, AND WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, UH, AT THE SITE PLAN AGAIN, REPEAT THIS, UM, THAT THE PSYCH CONSTRAINT OF THE 30 FOOT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT WAS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN, UM, IN TRANSPARENT BLUE, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF GOLD STREET AND MCKEES STREET, UH, 60 FEET OF THE 50 FOOT LENGTH FOR 32% OF THE LOT WIDTH IS WITHIN THAT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE ALONG BOTH RULE STREET AND THE KEY STREET.
AND THEREFORE THAT PREVENTS, UH, ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE PREVENTS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT, UH, TRIANGLE.
UM, WE, WHAT THE, THE ASK IS THAT, UH, CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND, UH, DEFENDANT PDS OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MAY APPROVE A SITE PLAN THAT DEVIATES FROM REQUIRED STREET DRAINAGE BY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC NOTICE PROCEDURE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AS A MINOR, AS MINE, AS PER MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
IF, AND THIS IS WHAT, UH, YOUR CRITERIA FOR MAKING THAT DETERMINATION OF EXCEPTION, UH, NUMBER ONE IS STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH STREET FRONTAGE OR, UH, STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE IMPRACTICAL DUE TO SITE CONSTRAINTS OR WITH CONS WITH RESULT IN A SUBSTANTIAL HARDSHIP.
UH, THE VARIATE OR THE VARIATION OR EXCEPTION FOR THE STREET FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
AND THE SITE PLAN FURTHERS THE STATED PURPOSE WITHIN THIS, UH, SECTION.
AND THAT IS PURPOSE OF THIS SUBDISTRICT IS TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF MODERATE DENSITY OFFICE LODGING, RETAIL, AND RESIDENTIAL USES IN COMPATIBLE COMBINATIONS ALONG THE, ALONG THE MAIN STREET CORRIDORS THAT SERVE THE ARIES FOR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS INCREASED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE USE OF THE COURAGE, THE PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES WITHIN THE, WITH HISTORIC VALUE.
UM, THE, THIS IS NOT THIS AREA AND THE STREETS WITHIN MCKEE, UM, ARE NOT MAIN STREET CORRIDORS THROUGH, UH, THIS AREA.
SO TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SITE, THE AREA SURROUNDING THIS IS LOOKING AT, UM, THE PROPERTY FROM THE CORNER OF, UH, GO.
AND THE KEY, AND IT AGAIN, THE PROPERTY DIMENSIONS ARE 50 BY 50, SO IT'S SQUARE FOOT, AS YOU CAN SEE, I AM STANDING LOOKING ACROSS, UH, ONTO THE PROPERTY.
AND TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS WHERE
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THE PARKING LOT, UM, WAS.THERE IS, UH, AN 18 WHEEL WERE, THIS OCCURRED BOTH TIMES THAT I WAS OUT THERE UNLOADING, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GET REALLY GOOD SHOTS OF ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET.
UM, THIS IS STANDING LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION, UM, ONTO THE PROPERTY AND AGAIN, AND AT THE CORNER OF GOLDEN MCKEE AND LOOKING UP MCKEE STREET.
SO WE'VE GOT, UH, JUST TO THE LEFT OF WHERE THE CAR IS, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT THERE AS WELL.
THAT'S ON THE SIDE, NOT ON THE SIDE.
IT'S ADJACENT BEHIND JUST, UH, WHAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THE SIGN ON, GO TO THE LEFT OF THE SITE.
ON THE POOL IS AT NEVER SINGLE, THE PARTMENT.
SO SINGLE FAMILY, THE SIDE AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY.
ON THE, AND IT'S VERY, IT IS A VERY COMPACT AREA.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS TO THE, ACROSS THE KEY, UM, AS YOUR, THIS IS A KEY LOOKING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE, ON THE RIGHT AND OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF STREET.
THIS IS A CROSS STANDING ON THE PROPERTY LOOKING ACROSS GOUL OBJECTION.
AND AGAIN, UH, LOOKING AT ACROSS GOUL TO THE, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS CRITICAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN FOR MCKEES STREET AND GOLD STREET.
THAT IS THE RELIEF THAT YOU ALL ARE MAKING YOUR DECISION ON, NOT THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN, BUT THE LEAD BASED ON THE SITE PLAN TWO WITH E STREET AND WOODS STREET.
THANK YOU, MS. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CATCH THAT, THAT QUESTION THAT WAS A QUESTION, MS. WOMAN, DID YOU GET A QUESTION? DID I DIDN'T, I'M SORRY.
OH, YOU DIDN'T, OKAY, MR. YOUNG, UM, AM I RIGHT THAT THE DRIVING FORCE NECESSITATING THIS AMENDMENT IS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE? YES.
AND IN FACT, EVEN IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WERE TO SCRAP THE SITE AND TRY AND REBUILD IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AND THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON MCKEE STREET, AT LEAST GEOMETRICALLY, THEY CAN'T DO ON, ON LEADERS.
WELL, THEY, THEY COULD SHORTEN THE, OR OR NARROW THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IF THEY REBUILT, OR, OR, YES.
I MEAN, YES, BUT SHORT OF REBUILDING, THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD, WELL, THERE'S THE SITE IS, IS UNDEVELOPED, SO THEY ARE BUILDING, SO, SO THEY COULD CONCEIVABLY IF, UH, BUILD WIDER ON GO STREET AND UH, I GUESS THEY PROBABLY STILL COULDN'T COMPLY.
CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY, UM, THE MOST THAT THEY COULD GET ON, UM, MCKEE, WHICH IS, AND GOUL IS 68% AT MASS.
DUE TO THE VISIBILITY TRAINING.
AND DOES THIS SITUATION ARISE FREQUENTLY IN CS AREN'T, AREN'T THERE MANY OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THIS MIGHT COME UP? I THINK THERE WILL BE, YES, BECAUSE IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL, UM, LOTS IN THERE THAT ARE READY FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, THEY'RE UNBEL CURRENTLY.
SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'LL BE SEEING THESE, UM, MORE OFTEN.
AND WAS, WAS THIS JUST SOMETHING WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHEN WE DID RECEIVE THIS PDV? IT WAS, NO, WE DID THINK ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT WANTED TO HAVE THIS STREET FACING, UH, FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, WALKABILITY THROUGH OH, SURE.
BUT CREATING, AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ADDED THE C P C ABILITY TO, UH, OKAY.
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GIVE RELIEF TO THE REQUIREMENT WE COULD HAVE IF, IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT CRAFTED AN EXCEPTION WHERE THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE DOES NOT PERMIT COMPLIANCE, BUT INSTEAD WE WENT THE YES GENERIC AT THE TIME.WE, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE, AND I THINK WE MAY BE SEEING THESE AGAIN.
UM, BUT THEN MANY OF THE LOTS ARE CON CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY OR MAYBE LARGER.
WE MAY BE RELATED TO OTHER TYPES OF, UM, ISSUES WITH THEM.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, WHICH IS WHY THE WAS, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
SO JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S QUESTIONS.
SO THE PD FOR CEDARS, WE REALLY INTENDED, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR MULTI MIXED USE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS, YOU, YOU THIS, BECAUSE IN A NORMAL JUST SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DUE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE.
SO YOU CAN, UM, I'M JUST, THIS COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL.
THIS COMES FROM, UM, OUR TAKEOFF OF ARTICLE 13, WHICH IS OUR FORM DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND THAT HAVE, UH, MEN MAX FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
UH, SO WE TOOK THAT, UH, AND PUT IT INTO IT INTO PD THREE 17.
AND YES, TO YOUR QUESTION, IT IS A MIXED USE, UH, AREA.
IN FACT, IT ALLOWS, AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF ALL OF CEDARS, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE URBAN FOR STUFF.
I'M SORRY, TO MAKE IT MORE URBAN FOR STUFF.
SO IT DID RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED.
AND IT IS IN THAT SAME VEIN WITH THE MINMAX FRONTYARD SETBACKS IS INTENDED TO BRING THAT, UM, INTO THE, THE PUBLIC WELL, UH, FOR YOUR WALKABILITY AND YOUR, UM, ACCESSIBILITY IN THE AREA.
UM, BUT IT IS A VERY WIDE VARIETY OF, UM, TYPES OF USES THROUGHOUT THE AREA AND THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT SUBDISTRICTS.
THANK YOU, MR. HER, UM, WAS THIS IN THANK YOU CHAIR WITH THE, UH, CHANGES TO THE SETBACK AND THE WILL IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO IMPEDE ON THE SIDEWALK IF THEY DO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT REMAIN WALKABLE WITH THIS.
AND IN FACT, THIS AREA BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE, UH, TURQUOISE LINES IS THE, UH, IS THE SIX FOOT SIGN.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONER? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS MORNING.
UH, WE'LL GO ON TO OUR, UH, FIRST ZONING CASE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME AT, I THINK ALL OF THE ZONING CASES HAVE COME OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THE CHEAT SUIT WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ALL PART
UH, I KNOW FOR SURE NUMBER FIVE HAS COME OFF AND I BELIEVE NUMBER THREE, UH, WILL ALSO COME OFF CONSENT.
UH, SO WE'LL START THERE, MR. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS Z 2 22 77.
IT'S AN APPLICATION DURING TWO RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 1817 FOR FIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL ENROLLMENT.
CHARTER SCHOOL ON
IT'S LOCATED, LOCATED NEAR THE CITY LIMIT, UH, TO THE EAST.
IT'S COPY OF THE EXISTENCE TODAY AND THE ADJACENT, WHICH ARE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH, SINGLE FAMILY TO WEST SINGLE FAMILY CROSS ROUTE TO THE STAFF.
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DEVELOPEDTHERE IS A 1.85 ACRE SOUTHWESTERN LOT FRONT BURTON, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UH, DEVELOPED WITH A, UH, 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND CONTAINS THE CHURCH, UM, AS WELL AS THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL.
A EXISTING SCHOOL CURRENTLY CONTAINS 15 CLASSROOMS PRE, PRE-KINDERGARTEN, PRE-KINDERGARTEN THROUGH SIXTH GRADE.
THE LOT ALSO CONTAINS TWO PORTABLE CLASSROOM BUILDINGS, UH, 1,552 SQUARE FEET AND 800 SQUARE FEET AREA.
THE 3.84 ACRE NORTH EASTERN LOT IS A FLAG LAWN HAS ACCESS FROM BURTON ROAD AND IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH PARKING LOT, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL PARKING FACILITIES FOR RESISTANCE FOR CHURCH.
AND THE S SUV WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2010, AND THAT WAS SERVED FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR MONEY RENEWAL OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIODS THEREAFTER.
AND THEN IN 2014, COUNSEL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT OF IT, UH, AGAIN FOR FIVE YEARS WITH, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.
AND AT THAT POINT, AND THEN IT CAME BACK FOR AMENDMENT THEREAFTER, UM, ON, ON FEBRUARY, 2020.
AND IT, IT WAS APPROVED IN THE CONDITIONS WITH 15 CLASSROOMS IN THE CONDITIONS.
ALTHOUGH THE SITE PLAN WAS SIMILAR TO THE, WE SEE TODAY WITH A ADDITIONAL BUILDING.
AND IN, IN THIS CASE, WE DO STILL SEE THAT, UM, NEW BUILDING IN THE SOUTHWEST OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
UH, THEY, YOU NEED TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS TO ALLOW THE ONLY THREE CODE C FOR, AND THERE'S THAT EXISTING ON PLANT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEIR EXPANSION IS PLANNED OR WAS PLANNED AND IT'S RIGHT HERE.
AND SO THE EXISTING OR THE PROPOSED IS QUITE SIMILAR, UM, EXPANSION IN THE SAME PLACE.
I BELIEVE THEY REARRANGED A COUPLE PARKING SPACES IN THEIR QUEUE AREA BEHIND.
AND THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR, THEIR TABLE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE 23 CLASSROOMS TOTAL, IT IS ACROSS TWO LOTS.
THE FACILITY TO CHARGE THE PARKING AND THE TOOLS ARE KIND OF ACROSS TWO LOTS.
SO BROKEN DOWN LIKE THAT, UH, EXISTING PROPOSED T M P THAT MODIFY THEIR T M P, THAT HAS ADDITIONAL ON ONSITE QING, UM, THAT IS, IS PROJECTED TO, UH, HANDLE THAT, THE QUEUING, UH, THEY'RE MOVING UP THE, THE QUEUE ON SITE, BUT IT ADDS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, UH, BY DOING SO.
SO LET'S, TO THE SITE THAT WE'RE ON BRUTON ROAD, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? UM, SO BRUTON ROAD LOOKING NORTH, UH, AT KIND OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL FACILITY.
AND THEN I THINK WE'RE JUST ENTERING KIND OF ECHO THE QUEUE ON BRUTON CIRCLING AROUND.
IT'S THE FRONT OF THE FACILITY, UM, ON SITE BACK ON, UH, BRUTON LOOKING, THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE EAST THAT IS ACTUALLY, THAT'S ON SITE LOOKING WEST OF THE ADJACENT HOMES, LOOKING SOUTH ACROSS, UH, BRUTON AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL HOMES LOOKING AT SOUTHEAST DOWN IN VIRGINIA.
SO IT'S OUR CONDITIONS, UH, THAT UPDATED THEIR, THEIR TIME PERIOD OF APPROVAL.
UM, THEY WERE A LITTLE, UH, THEIR EARLY TO WHEN THEY WOULD'VE NEEDED TO COME IN FOR, UH, RENEWAL, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE AMENDMENT, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO RENEW AND AMEND AT THE SAME TIME.
UH, THEY UPDATED THEIR HOURS OF, OF OPERATION FROM SEVEN TO 5:00 PM SO FOUR 30 AND IT, IT ADDED SATURDAY.
UM, INGRESS EGRESS, UH, REMAINS.
UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE AT PARKING PROVIDED LOCATION CYCLING.
IT'S STILL REQUIRED TO BE, UM, PARKED IN THE SAME MANNER THROUGH OUR CODE.
UM, BUT THAT WILL GIVE HIM THE ABILITY TO MOVE SPACES AROUND TO NECESSARY, UM, WHILE STILL BEING HELD TO THE REQUIREMENT OF THE, THE BASE CODE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN COMMISSION REMAINS THE SAME.
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A CONDITION OF MINOR INSULATION OF SIDEWALK, UM, WHERE THEY MAKE THE EXPANSION SINCE LEVEL WRITTEN.ASSESSOR ION IS APPROVAL FOR THEORY OF ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RULES FOR ADDITIONAL FACTOR PERIODS THERE, CAFETERIA, SUBJECT TO MANAGEMENT PLANNING CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED.
YOUR HONOR, I QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER? UM, ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO HAVE SCHOOL ON SATURDAY? I, YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT SURE.
UM, THAT WAS IN THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY ORDERED.
I, I, I ASKED, I ASKED 'EM, UM, THEY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, THAT FOR US, BUT THEY DID ADD IT INTO THAT HOURS.
HAVE YOU SEEN OTHERS RULES THAT HAVE OPEN HOURS LIKE THIS ON SATURDAYS? NO.
IT, IT MAY GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO SCHOOL RELATED ACTIVITIES ON, ON THE SATURDAY, UM, BEYOND THAT, BUT I PRESUME IT'S NOT FOR REGULAR, UM, SCHOOLING.
AND IF WE DON'T PAROLE, SO LET ME PULL BACK UP THE CONDITIONS PLEASE.
SO THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL MAY ONLY OPERATE BETWEEN SEVEN AND FIVE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
SO DOES THIS LANGUAGE MEAN THEY COULD JUST USE THE FIELDS? ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL USE? OKAY.
I THINK THAT'LL SAVE MY ACCOUNT QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
SEEING THAT ANSWER? THANK YOU.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, THIS ISN'T REALLY DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE CASE, BUT THIS IS A APPLICANT THAT USES THIS SITE FOR ONE PURPOSE, YET IT'S TWO SEPARATE PLA TRACKS.
WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RULES OR THE LAWS OR ORDINANCES? AND DO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REPL INTO ONE TRACK OR IS THIS JUST, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A CONCERN TO US.
BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR SOME INTERESTING, UH, PARKING CALCULATIONS AND THINGS.
YOU, I, I GOT, I GOT, I THINK PART OF IT IS THEY'RE NOT GOING BUILDINGS ACROSS THE LOTS.
UM, THIS IS LIKELY HOW THEY'VE ACQUIRED THE LAND OVER TIME.
UM, AND I, BUT I WON'T SPEAK TO WHETHER WE ENCOURAGE THEM, DISCOURAGED THEM FROM PUTTING IT TOGETHER.
IN THIS CASE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR FACILITIES ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT MM-HMM.
UM, AND IF THEY NEED TO, IF THEY DO NEED TO PARK DOWN A ONCE PART TIME, UH, THEY'VE CHOSEN TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE LAST.
FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER, UM, HOUSE'S, QUESTIONS, DOES EACH LOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE USES OF THAT LOT? YES.
SO THAT'S, UH, I, I'M, I MAY NEED TO REFRESH IF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UM, DO, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF NECESSARY, THEY AGREE BETWEEN THEM, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE CHURCH USE AND THE SCHOOL USE, UM, BY HAVING NON, UH, NON SIMILAR HOURS.
THAT RULE ON THE ME, THERE'S A RULE OF PROHIBITS REMOTE PARKING FOR A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
BUT IT YES, BUT THAT'S NOT APPLY TO INSTITUTIONAL, I BEG PARDON? IT DOES, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO INSTITUTIONAL USES SURE.
LET ME REVIEW WHERE WE COVER CODE.
I WAS NOT AWARE YOU COULD REMOTE PARK A SCHOOL ON A REMOTE RESIDENTIAL DOCK.
I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
DOES EACH LOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE USES ON THAT LOT? I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH, WITH ALLOWANCE FOR SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND SCHOOL THAT YEAH.
THE LARGER, UH, LOT, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE, THE SHARING THROUGH THE AGREEMENT OF, OF PARKING.
UH, WHEREAS THE OTHER LOT REQUIRES THE
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NORTHERN LOT A REQUIRES 28 SPACES AND IT INCLUDES ON THAT LOT 29TH BASIS.SO, SO THE SHARING YOU THINK WITHOUT A REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENT, EACH LOT CAN PARK ITS USES WITH SHARON? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.
THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PARKING BETWEEN THE LOTS.
THEY'RE SHARING BETWEEN THE USES.
YOU COMMISSIONER HONOR HARPER? I FORGOT.
UH, WILL THE TMP PLAN
ARE THERE ANY, I SAY THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MS. I, COMMISSIONER? YES.
IT'S KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THIS, IT'S JUST KIND OF A CURIOSITY.
LET'S JUST SAY YOU DID HAVE TWO LOTS THAT SOMEONE OWNED THAT WERE NOT PLANTED TOGETHER.
COULD YOU HAVE AN ENTITY ON ONE AND THEY PARK ON THE ADJACENT ONE, BUT AS LONG AS NOTHING CROSSES OVER, THEY'RE DEALT WITH SEPARATELY? NO, UH, YOU CANNOT.
PARKING IS AN ACCESSORY USE AND HAS TO BE ON THE SAME LOT AS THE MAIN USE.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING HYPOTHETICAL THAT THAT'S CORRECT.
SO EVEN IF IT'S ADJACENT, IT'S CONSIDERED REMOTE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JUDGE? MS. ISLAND? OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WE'RE GONNA SKIP FORWARD TO YES, COMMISSIONER.
UM, SO THERE WAS A TALKING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AFTER THE MEETING, UM, MR. PERRY, THERE WAS A MAJOR CONCERN DURING THE ORIGINAL, UM, WHEN THIS, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY, THIS SCHOOL WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, IT CAUSED SOME, UM, DRAINAGE, HEAT ISSUES INTO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS CALLED IN FLOODING.
UH, I GUESS ONE OF THE CITIZENS RAISED A CONCERN THAT, UM, ONCE ONE, SOMEONE MADE A BOAT ON A PROPERTY WHICH CAUSED FLOODING, I SPOKE WITH THAT PERSON.
THEY SAID THAT THEY DID THAT AFTER THE DRAINING ISSUE TO STOP THE FLOODING FROM HAPPENING AT THEIR PARTICULAR LOCATION.
SO IS THERE ANY, UM, THEY SAID THAT, THAT THEY WERE HAVING ATTENTION PLUG PUT IN.
HAVE, HAVE WE MADE SURE ENGINEERS LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WAS STOPPED DRAINING.
DRAIN REVIEW IS NOT PART OF THE, THE ZONE, IT'S PART OF THE ENGINEERING CURRENT REVIEW.
SO, SO WE, THEY'RE GOING CONTINUE TO, UM, CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING ON THIS BUILDING OR MEAN ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S CAUSE FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER, OR WE COULDN'T, WE CAN'T TALK TO THE, THE ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOLVED BECAUSE IT, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN DRAWBACK COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT THIS IS CAUSING FLOODING.
UM, I, YEAH, I I UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT PART OF THE, THE ZONING REVIEW.
IT'S, UH, IT'S REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING AND PERMITING, UH, AT THE BUILDING STAGE.
SO, SO WE ARE POSSIBLY, WE ARE POSSIBLE TO APPROVE A ZONING CASE AND IT'S GONNA BE A, A ISSUE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT IN A ZONING CASE BECAUSE I WOULD WANT, I MEAN, APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSING HARM TO THE COMMUNITY SEEMS SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT ASKING
COMMISSIONER WILLER, THIS IS ANDREA.
I THINK FOR THE QUESTION, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE DRAINAGE, UH, UM, NOT, NOT AFFECTING THE LOGS AROUND IT PER THE DRAINAGE MANUAL AS A STAND OR DURING PERMITING.
THE RULING IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, SPILL WATER OUT OF THEIR LOT AT ALL.
SO THEY WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE RANGE POPULATIONS? LIKE THIS IS ALL ENGINEERING.
IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, THEY CAN GET OUT IT.
UM, I, WE ALWAYS SAY THAT WE HAVE TO TRUST THIS IS A PERMITTING ENGINEERING, PERMITTING ENGINEERING WHEN IT COMES TO LIFE SAFETY.
THEY, THIS, THESE ARE THE RULES,
BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF
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THE ORIGINAL ISSUE, V THEY DID NOT HAVE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY DID NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL, UH, WHATEVER THE SCHOOL DID ORIGINALLY.THAT THIS
AND THEY COULD COME ABOUT INTO THE ORIGINAL, THE SCHOOL ORIGINALLY, UM, SEE ISSUE.
SO, UM, OKAY, SO WE'VE NEVER ASKED ABOUT RETENTION AND RETENTION PHONES IN, IN, IN, IN LING BECAUSE I, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE HAVE, I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR SURFACE AND WE ARE LOOKING, OKAY, LIKE, I'M GONNA HAVE KIDS LATER.
CAN YOU ADD SOME TREES? CAN YOU MAKE IT PRETTIER? STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT IS THERE CHOICE IF IT'S GONNA BE UNDERGROUND, IF IT'S GONNA BE A POND, IF IT'S GONNA BE AN UNDERGROUND TANK OR IF THEY'RE GONNA IMPROVE THE UTILITIES DOWN THE ROAD.
SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT TELL THEM, OH, YOU HAVE TO DO SURFACE POND ATTENTION OR UNDERGROUND CAN ATTENTION.
THAT'S FOR THEIR CALCULATIONS WITH THE, WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM IN OUR, UH, PERMITTING ISSUE.
WELL, CAN WE ASK THEM THAT DURING, DURING PORTION? UM, UH, UH, WHEN THEY COME UP? HAVE THEY MANY? BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE.
UM, WE, WE, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T ASK THEM THAT IF IT'S ON OUR PLANS.
THEY, THEY SAID ON OUR PLANS THAT THEY HAD AN ATTENTION CALL, THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT READY.
UM, THE PLANS READY, BUT THEY WERE PUT THE ATTENTION FUND TO ON, ON SITE.
AND IF WE CAN ADD, I MEAN ASK ANOTHER CASES I SEE WHY ESPECIALLY ADDRESS.
SO THAT WOULD BE CAUSE THE, IF THAT
I THINK, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK WE CAN ASK, BUT WE TRY TO, AGAIN, TRUST THE PERMITTING SYSTEM.
THEY WILL HAVE TO LIKE FIX ALL THESE ISSUES FOR SURE.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS AN ENGINEER RECORD.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR
AND I WOULD ADD AT THIS, AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT, UH, REGULAT REGULATE PREVIOUS COVERS.
UM, OR, OR, OR REGULATE, UM, HOW BRANDAGE IS DONE.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE TOOLS BUILT INTO OUR ZONING SYSTEM.
UM, SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TYPICALLY, UM, LOOK AT THAT PARTICULARLY WE LOOK AT OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT CENTERS, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR HIS PRESIDENT.
MR. PERRY, DID YOU, DID YOU, DID YOU ASK THEM AGAIN BECAUSE THEY DID, I KNOW THAT THEY MADE, WHEN I TALKED TO THE, THE APPLICANT AND THEY BOTH SAID, WELL, THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, UM, THE A THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO, TO SUBMIT THOSE PLANS PRIOR TO AND DELAY BEING, UM, DELAY BEING VOTED ON STATE SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE PLANS.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? COULD YOU REPEAT THE APPLICANT? WE, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS WILLING TO, UM, DELAY US VOTE
SEE THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY SAID THEY WERE, THEY WERE OPEN TO DOING THAT SO THAT WE COULD FEEL FOR SURE THAT THIS, THIS WON'T AFFECT THE COMMUNITY ANY FURTHER.
IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S FIND THEY'RE OKAY WITH A WHOLE YEAH.
AND LIKE IF I COULD, UM, IF I COULD JUMP IN REAL QUICK.
YEAH, IF THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A COMMISSIONER TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, ON THIS PROJECT, THAT'S CERTAINLY SORT OF ANCILLARY INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.
HOWEVER, DRAINAGE IS NOT A PART OF WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE CHARGED WITH EVALUATING ON THIS CASE.
JUSTICE STAFF ONLY EVALUATES PER ZONING AND LAND USE.
THE COMMISSIONERS ONLY EVALUATE PER ZONING AND LAND USE.
SO IF THAT'S ANCILLARY INFORMATION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE TO MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT IS NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION TO REVEAL.
SO THEY, THEY DID, WE DID SPEAK AND THEY DID SEE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPOKE AND THAT WAS THEIR MAIN, THAT WAS THE COMMUNITY RESISTANCE TO GOING ANYTHING FURTHER WITH THIS PROJECT WAS THAT IT HAD, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE, THEY'VE NOT BEEN ANY BACK FROM THAT.
THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT'S BEEN GOING OFF.
CONS DRAIN OF IS NOT A PART OF THE REVIEW OF THE ZONING CASE.
SO THAT TRADITIONALLY PART OF CONVERSATION SURROUNDING THE ZONING CASE, I,
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IF I, I THINK DAVID IS HERE AND HE WANTS TO MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OR CO COMMISSIONER WHEELER.I, I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH THAT WHETHER, WHETHER YOUR OPINION IS TO DENY OR APPROVE THE PROJECT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THOSE CONCERNS FROM THE NETWORK.
THERE'S ABSOLUTELY ZERO LOSS TO LOT RANGE ALLOWED IF THERE IS ANY CURRENTLY.
UH, THERE IS AN ENGINEER OF RECORD THAT IS STILL BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE, UH, FOR WHAT HAS ALREADY BEING CONSTRUCTED.
AND WE CAN IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THEM AND PULL OUR FILES AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS YOUR, UM, NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.
IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO FURTHER REVIEW IT AT PERMITTING AT THIS POINT.
SO ACTUALLY APPROVING THIS REQUEST WOULD ALLOW CITY STAFF TO, UM, HOLD THEIR PROJECT UNTIL THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED.
BUT IN ANY CASE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE ENGINEER OF RECORD.
THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE A RECORD OF THE REQUEST 3 1 1 IS THE PERFECT WAY TO START THAT CONVERSATION AND WE CAN, I THINK THEY HAVE SUBMITTED 3 1 1.
IT JUST, IT, IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS ALSO WILLING TO HOLD IT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE CONCERN AND THEY, THEY WANT TO MEET THOSE PLANS TO COUNTY THE RETENTION.
THEY SAID NOT RETENTION DETENTION.
AND, AND, AND IF THERE'S THE 3 1 1 REQUEST ALREADY ON FILE, IF YOU SENT ME THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE SURE TO UPDATE.
I'M, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN THAT THE TM P WAS OKAY.
THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, SO.
COMMISSIONER WHEEL BEFORE WE GO TO A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, THE APPLICANT IS, IS GONNA REQUEST A HOLD IT WHEN I HOLD IT TILL OCTOBER 5TH OR ANOTHER DAY.
UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE AGREED FOR A MONTH SO THAT THEY CAN GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER.
BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE ISSUE A MONTH.
UM, BUT IF THEY CAN KIND OF SHOW US THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALRIGHT.
SO WE'LL HOLD IT TO OCTOBER 19TH.
UH, WE HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.
UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. BULKY, I WANNA SAY ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER SAYS.
WHEN I HAD THE CASE ABOUT A YEAR AGO AT COCHRANE CHAPEL, WHICH WAS THE SAME THING, WE HAD A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
NOW IT WAS DOING A PD, BUT WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION WITH THE, UH, ATTORNEY ABOUT IT THAT WHY WOULD WE BE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT UPFRONT WE KNEW THERE WAS A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
SO THEREFORE IT WAS DECIDED IN THAT CASE THAT YES, IT IS PART OF OUR COMMISSION STUDIO IF WE KNOW THAT WE SHOULD DEAL WITH THAT INITIALLY BEFORE WE APPROVE SOMETHING TO BE BUILT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUE, NOT JUST ONE THAT WAS FOUND BY ENGINEERING.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD APPROVE SOMETHING IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT MY QUESTION IS ALSO IN AN SS U P BECAUSE MY CASE WAS A PD, SO YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY GONNA GO THROUGH A FULL ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT.
DOES THE S U P GO THROUGH THAT SAME RIGOROUS? IS IT PERMITTING IS PERMITTING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PD OR S U P.
WHAT TRIGGERS PERMITTING IS A NEW BUILDING OR OTHER SITUATIONS.
SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER PD S U P BASED ON IT, YOU STILL NEED TO PULL A PERMIT.
YOU'LL STILL NEED HAVE ENGINEERING REPAIR.
AND EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE HAD SUVS BEFORE, THE FACT THAT IT'S CLEAR NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
LIKE AGAIN, IT'S THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
WE KEEP SEEING PERMITTING AND THE REVIEWS AND THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING REVIEW.
AND WHEN IT, UH, IF YOU HAVE A NEW BUILDING, IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS FULL ENGINEERING.
AND IT, IT IS NOT LIKE, AGAIN, LIKE AS, AS RYAN WAS SAYING, AND AS I WAS SAYING, AND DAVID WAS SAYING, BOTTOM LINE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE IS NOT ALLOWED.
THE WAY THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE AND THE WATER STAYING ON THEIR PROPERTY.
IT'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS, A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT ARE NOT UNDER THIS PERMIT BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT DISCRETIONARY.
HOWEVER, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REBUILD ST.
MARK'S SCHOOL BEFORE WE ADDRESSED THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. WE COULDN'T GET THAT APPROVED.
IT WASN'T GOING TO NEED PERMITTING.
THE DRAINAGE PROB PROBLEM WAS NOT PART OF C P C DETERMINATION OR RECOMMENDATION OR DECISION.
BUT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM WAS A DISCUSSION OF ENGINEERING DURING PERMITTING.
BUT THIS IS WHEN WE WERE GETTING THE APPROVAL FOR THE REBUILD BEFORE WE COULD GET APPROVAL FOR THE ST.
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REBUILT.AND THIS WAS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, WE HAD TO GET THE DRAINING ISSUE BECAUSE WHAT THEY SAID WAS, WE CAN'T GO AHEAD WITH PUTTING THIS CASE FORWARD TO THE C P C WITHOUT DEALING AND MITIGATING WHAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE DRAINAGE ISSUES COMING TO PERMITTING.
SO WE HAD TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE DEALT WITH FIRST BEFORE WE COULD HAVE IT BROUGHT FOR APPROVAL HERE.
SO EVERY SUM CASE HAS SOME THAT FLOOD LANE ISSUE, NOT FLOOD DRAINAGE ISSUES.
A LOT OF 'EM, WE DON'T SEE 'EM HERE.
AND SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, AH, I WISH WE TO TALK ABOUT THEM HERE, BUT WE DON'T BECAUSE IT'S ZONING FIRST THEN THEN PLANNING, THEN PERMITING ENGINEERING, AND THEN PERMITING THAT THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT FOLLOWS.
AND OTHERWISE WE GET INTO THE CHICKEN N D EGG.
WHY, WHY WOULD A DEVELOPER ADDRESS DRAINAGE ISSUES WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO DEVELOP WHAT THEY WANT TO? WHY WOULD THEY INVEST IN ENGINEERING FEES OR CONSULTANTS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE ZONING RIGHTS TO DEVELOP A I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS ON, ON ON DRAINAGE.
ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT ZONING RELATED.
I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE DISCUSSED HERE IN THE PUBLIC SETTING.
UH, BUT, BUT I WILL JUST SAY THAT A LOT OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUNDING CASES THAT WE SEE HERE, UH, OKAY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DO WANNA TO GET RESOLVED OTHERWISE WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.
I DO WANNA ADD ONE OTHER THING THOUGH.
SOMETIMES YOU GO TO PLANNERS THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AND I RESPECT THIS.
THEY WILL SAY TO ME, AND I'VE HAD THIS SAID, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS WITH VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE, I CAN'T BRING THIS CASE FORWARD.
AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ST.
MARK'S KNOWING THAT IT WON'T MEET PERMITTING STANDARDS, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH PERMITTING.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS NOW, NOT LATER BEFORE I BRING IT UP.
AND WHAT SPECIFIC ISSUES ARE THOSE THAT ARE PLANNER SAYS WE CAN'T BRING THIS CASE FORWARD UNTIL WE ADDRESS THOSE? WELL, ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A DRAINAGE ISSUE.
ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A TREE ISSUE.
ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A TREE THAT AFFECTS DRAINAGE ISSUE.
I MEAN, I'VE HAD A LOT OF SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AND I JUST THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THE ONE THING I AGREE WITH IS IF WE KNOW UPFRONT, AND I'VE HAD PLANNER SAY THIS, THAT THERE ARE MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUES, I DO THINK THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY, LET'S SEE IT HERE AND APPROVE THAT YOU CAN BUILD THIS.
AND WE KNOW UPFRONT THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
I THINK THAT THAT IS A FINE LINE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.
THAT NOT JUST THIS, AND IT HASN'T BEEN ACROSS THE BOARD NO DRAINAGE ISSUES.
'CAUSE WHEN THEY COME UP HERE, THEN IT IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS YOUR SENSE OF APPROVAL.
IT'S HARD TO SAY, WELL, DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT.
THAT, THAT PROJECT WILL NEVER WORK.
UH, MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, SIR? UH, I DID, UH, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR WITH COMMISSIONER STAND.
UH, MR. MULKEY, I'M GONNA WARN YOU, THIS IS A LOADED QUESTION.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE THAT WILL ENSURE THAT IT IS NOT A DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE IN EVERY SINGLE CASE.
WELL, DOES THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS PERFECT.
IT'S NOT, BUT WE HAVE THE RULES WRITTEN FOR THEM AND THEY'RE NOT UNDER ALL PURVIEW.
LIKE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LOCK TO LOT RANGE MANUAL OF, THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, LETTER TO CITY MANAGER TO THAT DEPARTMENT IS NOT OUR DEPARTMENT.
IT'S NOT OUR DEPARTMENT WHO DOES THAT.
SO, SO LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY THIS AND AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL HAVE LOTS OF RESPONSES TO THIS.
UM, UH, YOUR POWERS ARE MORE LIMITED THAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE SOMETIMES.
I'M NOT DENYING THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, I I I AM, I'M NOTIONAL, RIGHT? UM, THE COMMISSION'S ABILITY TO IMPACT THAT, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT ABILITY.
YOUR ABILITY IS CONFINED TO ZONING AND LAND USE REVIEW.
SO ANYTHING THAT IS TYPICALLY PART OF A ZONING CASE BE THAT CONSIDERING IF A CERTAIN USE IS APPROPRIATE IN AN AREA, IF A CERTAIN DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE IN AN AREA, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A PD, IF CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS OR DEVIATIONS TO CODE LOOKING AT AN S P, THAT
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THE USE NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.RIGHT? BUT 'CAUSE OF ALIENS OR BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE OR 'CAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE.
BUT YOUR POWERS TO IMPACT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE ARE LIMITED TO ZONING.
I HAVE POWER TO VOTE, NOT CAN I HERE AND MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT.
LIKE ALL OF THIS, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW THEM TO SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT.
IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEIR PERMIT IS GONNA GET APPROVED.
THE PERMIT AGAIN, IS STILL GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS.
IF THEY DON'T MEAN ENGINEERING AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE BUILDING LAYOUT, THEY'RE COMING HERE BACK.
WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM THE PERMIT RIGHT NOW.
I THEN AGAIN, YES, WE THINK FROM A LAND'S PERSPECTIVE, THIS CAN GO AND NOW YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO PERMITTING.
SO THAT IT, AND THEN AFTER IT'S BUILT, AGAIN, THERE ARE SO MANY MECHANISMS IT DOESN'T WORK.
3 1 1 COMPLAINTS, WE WILL, WE WILL GO BACK AND REASSESS.
OR IF THEY COME BACK TO US, WE SAID, OKAY, IT DIDN'T WORK.
NO SS U P BUT THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S A WHEEL OF DEVELOPMENT AND THEN IT'S A WHEEL OF THE CITY LIFE AND WE'RE JUST PART OF IT.
WE'RE NOT, NOT ONE OF THE ALL DOESN'T NOT NECESSARILY PLUG THE SYSTEM.
I HAVE ABOUT TWO HOURS OF THINGS TO SAY, SAY, BUT THEY ALL DID WITH PERIODS.
I, IT IT ALMOST MAKES, IT ALMOST MAKES US APPROVE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE FORESIGHT ON IN SAYING IF THIS WAS A NEW S U P THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT IF THIS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A S U P THAT IS, THAT'S RENEWING AND ASKING FOR, FOR THIS BODY TO APPROVE MORE.
AND THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AT THE FIRST S U P AND IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE, AND, AND KNOWING THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS SAYING THAT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS.
WE'RE GONNA PASS IT ALONG AND HOPE THAT, AND, AND PERMITTING IT GETS, IT GETS IT RIGHT WHEN THEY DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
SO ADDRESSING IT AND, AND PUT IT IN OUR RECORD AND PUT AND, AND, AND MAKES A DIFFERENCE, EVEN IF WE NECESSARILY DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT.
WE CAN PUT IT ON RECORD WHERE NOW ENGINEERING OR, AND, AND COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS IT BECAUSE JUST APPROVING SOMETHING, HAVING THAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO APPROVE AN INITIAL CLASSROOM WHEN THEY HAVEN'T GOT IT.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, IF WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE CAUSING INTIMATE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY AND FLOODING CAUSES THAT QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.
SO IT MAKES US, IT MAKES US ALMOST BE IRRESPONSIBLE KNOWING THAT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.
THIS CASE IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA GO TO OUR CODE AMENDMENT NEXT.
WE'LL SWING BACK TO ZONING CASES.
SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER 11 I BELIEVE IS D C A 2 2 3 0 0 2.
UM, IT'S REGARDING ADULT DAYCARE, FACILITIES, CHILDCARE FACILITIES AND DAY HOMES.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A A FEW THINGS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
UM, STEVEN DOSS WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, SENIOR PLANNER ON THIS ONE.
SO HE, HE MOVED TO GREENER PASTURES.
HE, HIS FAMILY MOVED OUT TO ARKANSAS WHERE THEIR FAMILIES ARE FROM.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, UH, IT'S BEEN FUN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PLANNER SIDE, THE SENIOR PLANNER SIDE OF THINGS.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT I FORGOT TO INCLUDE THE MINUTES FROM ZAC.
SO I HAVE THREE COPIES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE IN CASE YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.
SO, UM, THIS IS A VERY LONG PARAGRAPH THAT I PROMISE I'LL READ IN THIS AFTERNOON, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW.
UM, UH, I'LL READ THE SUMMARY.
UM, AND IT'S SOME PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS.
SO TO THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
THIS IS A SITE SPECIFIC, BUT THIS IS TO THE BIG BOOK OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, AND THE PROPOSALS ARE BASICALLY TO COMBINE THE USES OF ADULT DAYCARE AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES INTO ONE PLANNED USE, UM, TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
AND, UM, LOOKING, WE LOOKED AT THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS.
UM, THERE'S ALSO PROPOSALS TO REMOVE THE AGE LIMITATION OF ACCESSORY
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DAY HOMES.THIS, UM, AND I'LL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT AND TO UPDATE SOME TERMINOLOGY IS BASICALLY THE SCOPE OF EVERYTHING.
UM, SO AN OVERVIEW OF THE BRIEFING IS GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE OF AMENDMENTS, THE BACKGROUND OF THE CASE, UM, OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN FINDING AND OPENING DAYTIME CARE, UM, UH, THE NEEDS OF ADULT DAYCARES AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
AND, UH, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE DIFFERENCES IN RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO BRING ALL AT TO SPEED ON THE NON-CONFORMING NOTICES THAT WE SENT OUT.
SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY INITIATED BY C P C IN DECEMBER.
UH, DURING OUR RESEARCH, WE NOTICED THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD INCLUDE DAY HOMES, UH, WHICH IS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, WHERE UP TO 10 CHILDREN MAY BE CARED FOR BY A RESIDENT OF THE RESIDENTS.
SO IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, TO THAT RESIDENTIAL USE.
UM, BUT SINCE IT PROVIDES DAYTIME CARE, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT.
UM, SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET THREE TIMES, UM, OVER THE SUMMER AND IT WAS NINE AND A HALF HOURS OF DISCUSSION.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER EVERY DETAIL.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE AGREED ON MOST THINGS.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAINLY GOING OVER WHERE THE DIFFERENCES WERE BETWEEN STAFF.
AND SO ACTUALLY THIS BRIEFING, UM, JUST A GENERAL, UM, BRINGING UP TO SPEED, THESE ARE THE SCOPE OF OUR AMENDMENTS ARE, AGAIN, RELATED TO CHILDCARE, ADULT DAYCARE AND DAY HOMES.
MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, NOTICE THAT IT IS DAYTIME CARE, SO NOBODY'S SPENDING THE NIGHT HERE.
SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, OUR CONVALESCENT NURSING HOMES, OUR ASSISTED LIVING OR RETIREMENT HOUSING, OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES OR HANDICAPPED GROUP DUALING UNITS OR BOARDING HOMES.
NONE OF THOSE ARE PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
IT'S ALSO NOT INCLUDING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.
SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS THE CARE FOR, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN, UM, ALSO PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND, UM, THE ELDERLY THAT MIGHT NEED DAYTIME SUPERVISION.
UM, SO THERE ARE LOTS OF REGULATIONS IN THE CODE ALREADY THAT, UH, AIM TO ADDRESS THE COMP COMPATIBILITY OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND JUST TO GO OVER THOSE BRIEFLY, UM, YOU CAN'T PARK IN THE FRONT YARD.
UH, NON RESIDENTIAL USES MAY NOT PARK IN THE FRONT YARD OF, UH, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
YOU KNOW, THIS REGULATION KINDA, I THINK IT WAS ADDED, UM, MAYBE IN THE SIXTIES OR EIGHTIES.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING SITES THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING.
SO THERE IS DEFINITELY THAT THING, BUT FOR NEW USES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD.
UM, ALSO AS, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG BROUGHT UP, YOU CAN'T HAVE A REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENT IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.
UM, AND, UM, ARE ALL THE PARKING LOADING AND GARBAGE STORAGE AREAS HAVE TO BE SCREENED WITH THE SIX FOOT SOLID SCREENING FENCE.
UH, THERE'S LIGHTING STANDARDS FOR PARKING LOTS.
UM, YOU GOTTA HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND EVEN THE SIGNS HAVE TO FOLLOW NON-BUSINESS SIGN REGULATIONS.
SO THERE'S TYPICALLY LIKE YOUR MONUMENT SIGNS AND STUFF.
AND THESE ARE ALL, UH, INHERENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL USE, SORRY, NON RESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO, UM, SO I CAME UP WITH THIS VENN DIAGRAM, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC, BUT, UM, IN REMEMBERING P T S D AND FINDING CHILDCARE MYSELF,
SO I REALLY HAD TO DIG IT OUT OF MY MEMORY, UM, THAT I WAS SUPPRESSED.
THERE'S ABOUT THREE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF GO OVER THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING WITH PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHENEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND CHILDCARE.
AND YOU KNOW, THESE MAY, THESE CIRCLES MAY BE DIFFERENT IN SIZE DEPENDING ON YOUR PARTICULAR NEEDS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A NURTURING ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR DEPENDENT.
UM, YOU'RE ALSO PROBABLY LOOKING FOR CONVENIENCE, UM, AND YOU'RE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE IT FITS IN YOUR BUDGET.
SO THESE ARE KIND OF LIKE THE THREE THINGS THAT ARE WARRING ON ANYBODY LOOKING FOR DAYTIME SUPERVISION OF A LOVED ONE.
UM, AND THAT MIDDLE PART RIGHT THERE IS, IS REALLY RARE TO FIND, AND NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIND ALL THREE THINGS REALLY WORKING FOR THEM.
AND, UH, THAT'S ALSO A PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, OR AT LEAST WHY I WANT
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TO TALK ABOUT IT.UM, I ALSO HAVE, UH, THE DIRECTOR FROM OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE HERE AND, UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, UM, PROVIDES DIRECTION AND OVERSIGHT ON THE CITY'S SOCIAL, HUMAN AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES TO HELP CREATE EQUITY FOR SENIORS, CHILDREN, AND OTHER CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS TO PROVE THE, THEIR QUALITY AND STANDARD OF LIVING.
AND, UM, I THINK SHE HAS A, YOU HAVE A COUPLE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO MENTION.
UM, SO I, I DO WANNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THIS, UM, COMMISSION'S WILLINGNESS TO TAKE UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE BOTH OF THESE USES ARE SO CRITICALLY NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND VERY, VERY UNDERSERVED.
UM, SO I DO HAVE SOME DATA I'VE SHARED HERE ON CHILDCARE IN DALLAS COUNTY, THERE'S 30 THAT ARE KNOWN AS CHILDCARE DESERTS AND SIX, UH, 17 ZIP CODES.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S BASICALLY MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF SIX AS THERE ARE SIGNS, SEATS AVAILABLE TO SERVE THEM.
UM, I'M SORRY, WAS THERE? NO, SHE SHE'S NEEDED.
UM, AND SO, SO PARDON? COMMISSIONER REER, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR MIC? OH, OKAY.
SO, UM, SO, UM, AND THE ZIP CODES ARE, UM, SOUTHERN AND SOUTHEASTERN DALLAS ARE KIND OF WHERE THOSE ARE THE MOST HEAVILY CONCENTRATED.
UM, A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IS THAT DALLAS ACTUALLY NEEDS AT LEAST 7,000 MORE LICENSED CHILDCARE SEATS.
UM, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE DUE TO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE IS ACTUALLY BASED ON LICENSING CAP CAPACITY AND NOT ACTUAL CAPACITY.
SO A FACILITY MIGHT BE LICENSED BY THE STATE, UM, TO SERVE A CERTAIN NUMBER BASED ON LIKE FIRE CODES AND INSPECTIONS AND THINGS, BUT THEIR TRUE ABILITY TO SERVE MIGHT BE EVEN LESS THAN THAT BASED ON STAFFING OR THE WAY THE PLACE IS SET UP, ET CETERA.
SO THERE'S A, A HUGE GAP OF AT LEAST 7,000.
UM, AND WE ALSO KNOW, UM, THAT CHILDCARE CENTERS ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF A TRADITIONAL PATHWAY, UM, TO OUT OF POVERTY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SO NOT ONLY DO THEY PROVIDE A CRITICAL RESOURCE FOR, UM, PARENTS WHO NEED SOMEWHERE FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO BE CARED FOR, UM, AND TO OF COURSE LEARN AND BE READY FOR SCHOOL WHEN THEY'RE WORKING, BUT ALSO A VERY DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT RUN CHILDCARE CENTERS ARE WOMEN AND WOMEN OF COLOR.
UM, AND SO IN TWO WAYS THESE FACILITIES ARE A PATHWAY OUT OF POVERTY, UM, AND A PATHWAY TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, EQUITABLE OF COURSE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE.
UM, AND SO THEY'RE REALLY ALSO A SMALL BUSINESS CONVERSATION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE ADULT DAYCARE CENTER, AND I WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT, UM, KIND OF DISAPPOINTED AT HOW HARD IT WAS TO FIND SOME REAL DATA ON THIS, UM,
UM, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS, UM, THESE PROVIDE, UM, SOCIAL SKILL, RECREATIONAL AND THEN OF COURSE LIKE SUPPORT SERVICES.
SO THEY MAY EVEN BE THINGS LIKE HELPING PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKING THE APPROPRIATE MEDICATIONS AND COUNSELING AND ALL OF THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT NEEDS.
UM, MO MANY, A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVED BY ADULT CARE CENTERS ACTUALLY HAVE COGNITIVE, UM, DISABILITIES, BUT OVERALL, UM, THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WITH, UH, PHYSICAL OR COGNITIVE LIMITATIONS.
AND SO THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
UM, OUR OLDER ADULT POPULATION IS DRAWING BY FAR, UM, IS THE LARGEST GROWING POPULATION.
AND WHILE THE POVERTY RATE FOR, UM, NON-SENIOR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY ACTUALLY DECREASED FROM 2014 TO 2019 BY ABOUT 16% THE POVERTY RATE FOR PEOPLE FOR OLDER ADULTS, OUR SENIOR POPULATION ACTUALLY INCREASED BY 10%.
SO AS WE SEE THAT SHIFTING POPULATION, WE'RE ALSO SEEING SHIFTING POVERTY.
AND SO ALL THAT'S TO SAY THAT THOUGH I DON'T REALLY HAVE A REALLY LOVELY NUMBER IN ORDER TO ESTIMATE THE GAP IN TERMS OF NEEDED SERVICES, WE DO SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE GROWING OLDER WHO ARE HAVING SOME OF THOSE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS WHERE ARE NEED OF THESE SERVICES AND HAVE LIMITED FUNDS.
UM, AND WE DO EXPECT THAT TRAJECTORY TO CONTINUE TO GROW.
AND AS SUCH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE A A R P ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE NEED FOR THESE CENTERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AS WELL.
SO I WANT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS CONSIDERING TAKING STEPS THAT CAN MAKE IT EASIER FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND FOR INDIVIDUALS AND EVEN NONPROFITS TO MAKE THESE SERVICES AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT EVERY STEP AND EVERY BARRIER WE CAN REMOVE TO MAKING MORE FACILITIES, BOTH FOR ADULTS AND FOR CHILDCARE IS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.
SO, UM, I WANTED TO GO OVER WHERE ADULT DAYCARE IS ALLOWED RIGHT NOW.
UH, THESE ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR SENIORS, BUT ALSO, UM, ANYBODY THAT'S OVER THE AGE OF 14 REALLY.
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UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE CHILDCARE ENDS, ALTHOUGH ANYWAY, UM, SO IT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, UH, IN RETAIL CSS AND INDUSTRIAL CENTRAL AREA, WHICH IS LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN MIXED USE MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL AND URBAN CORRIDOR DISTRICTS.UM, THE LIMITED USES ARE KIND OF FAR AND FAR BETWEEN, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY IN THOSE MULTIFAMILY OR OFFICE.
AND, UM, THEY'RE ALSO ALLOWED BY, UM, S U P AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SIMILAR TO CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE H H S DATA, UM, OF FACILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN DALLAS, TEXAS, WE ONLY FOUND 10 OF 'EM, AND I PUT 'EM ON A MAP HERE.
UM, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS SOUTHWEST OF DOWNTOWN, IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARKING LOT IN THE OLD CLIFFY MUNICIPAL CENTER.
UM, SO I'VE SPENT MANY YEARS GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT AND, UM, IF IT, IF IT IS ANY CONSTELLATION, I ONLY SAW THE PARKING LOT ABOUT HALF FULL.
AND MOST PEOPLE ARRIVED BY BUS, LIKE, LIKE THEIR OWN CENTERS PARATRANSIT FACILITY, IF YOU WILL.
SO THEY, IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WENT AND PICKED UP, UM, YOU KNOW, KNOW PEOPLE AND BROUGHT IT TO THE FACILITY.
BUT, UM, YOU MIGHT ALSO NOTICE IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO TELL, BUT MOST OF THESE, UM, AREAS ARE REALLY PRETTY CLOSE TO INTERSTATES.
I MEAN, A LOT OF DALLAS REALLY IS, BUT, UM, THESE ARE VERY, THESE, UM, NOT QUITE RESIDENTIAL, ALTHOUGH THE ONE IN OAK CLIFF THAT, UM, UM, IT WAS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARKING LOT, UM, IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROW OF HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF IT, SO REALLY, SO YEAH.
IS THEY'RE NOT, IS THAT THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL OR ANY, ANY OF THESE? I THINK IT WAS MIXED USE, UM, OVER THERE IN, UH, IN OAK CLIFF BY THE OAK OAKLAND MUSICAL CENTER.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS.
UM, I DIDN'T, UM, I LOOKED AT ALL THESE ON AN AERIAL PHOTO, BUT NONE OF 'EM WERE QUITE LIKE IN YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.
SO THERE'S ONLY 10 OF 'EM RIGHT NOW IN DALLAS, WHICH IS, UM, NOT VERY MANY.
UM, SO ALSO I WANTED TO GO OVER WHERE, WHERE IS CHILDCARE ALLOWED RIGHT NOW? UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS ON WHAT A CHILDCARE FACILITY IS, IS, IS OR IS NOT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACCEPTANCE TO WHAT IS NOT.
UM, SO IT'S ANYWHERE WHERE IT'S OPERATED BY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE CHURCH.
SO IF IT'S OPERATED BY A CHURCH, IT'S JUST ALLOWED AS PART OF THAT CHURCH MAIN USE.
AND WE KNOW THAT CHURCHES ARE ALLOWED EVERYWHERE, BASICALLY.
UM, UH, IT IS ALSO ALLOWED, UM, WHENEVER IT'S IN A, IN THE OPERATOR'S RESIDENCE, AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE DAY HOME, UM, WHEN THERE ARE NO MORE THAN 10 CHILDREN, THE STATE LIMITS, UM, CARE IN THESE FACILITIES TO 12.
SO PART OF OUR PROPOSED TO BE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS IS THAT WE INCREASE THAT LIMITATION FROM 10 TO 12.
SO IT ALIGNS WITH THE STATE REGULATIONS.
UM, ALSO THEY'RE ALLOWED, UH, OR THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED CHILDCARE FACILITIES AND ZONING IF THEY'RE AT A K TO 12 SCHOOL.
UH, IT DOESN'T OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO ENCOMPASS ALL OF THOSE GRADES.
THEY ANY PLACE WHERE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC EDUCATION.
SO A LOT OF OUR PRIVATE SCHOOLS, UM, OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, UM, OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOLS, I THINK WE HAD A CASE EARLIER THAT HAD TODAY HAD SOME PRE-K IN IT.
SO, UM, WHEN WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT SOME MORE STATISTICS ON THESE CENTERS, UM, THE STATE DOESN'T DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN WHAT WE CALL A CHILDCARE FACILITY AND WHAT THEY CALL A LICENSED FACILITY.
UM, I THINK IS WHAT THE TERM IS.
STEVEN WAS REALLY GOOD AT ALL THOSE TERMS FROM THE STATE.
UM, SO, UM, IT'S ALSO ALLOWED BY RIGHT, UM, KIND OF AS A DROP IN BASIS FOR SHOPPING CENTERS AND GYMS. SO, UM, OTHERWISE, UM, IF IT IS A SPECIFIC CHILDCARE FACILITY IN OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN RETAIL, UH, IN CSS AND INDUSTRIAL.
UM, AND I'LL BE GETTING TO THE CSS AND INDUSTRIAL AT THE END WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NONCONFORMING USES.
BUT FOR NOW, I'M JUST GONNA KEEP MOVING ON, UM, CENTRAL AREA, UM, MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL AND URBAN CORRIDOR DISTRICTS.
UM, OTHERWISE IT'S BY HERE WE GO, UM, BY RIGHT AS A LIMITED USE, UM, IN THE MF THREE AND FOUR IN THE OFFICE DISTRICTS.
UM, AND YOU HAVE TO GET AN S U P IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR THE MF THREE AND FOUR.
SO ALL THESE OTHER IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS HAVE TO COME THROUGH CITY HALL YEAH.
UM, SO, UH, STEVE WAS ABLE TO DOWNLOAD SOME DATA FROM H H S AND FOUND THERE WAS 281
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H H S LICENSE CENTERS.AND HE, I THINK THE, THE MAP ON THE RIGHT ALSO INCLUDES IN-HOME FACILITIES, BUT THE PIE CHART IS JUST THE LICENSE CENTERS.
UM, SINCE WE'RE NOT REALLY CHANGING THE LAND USE REGULATIONS TERRIBLY MUCH ON THE DAY HOMES WE'RE, UM, OUR DISCUSSION TODAY IS MORE ABOUT THE LICENSE CENTERS, THE MAIN USE OF CHILDCARE FACILITY, AND JUST WANTED TO GO OVER KIND OF WHERE THEY FELL IN OUR ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT A THIRD THAT ARE IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS.
AND SINCE WE KNOW THAT, UM, IF YOU HAVE A PRE-K IN YOUR PUBLIC SCHOOL, YOUR PRIVATE SCHOOL, UM, THEN, OR, UM, IF YOU HAVE, UH, OTHER USES THAT MIGHT HAVE A PD, THEY'D BE LIKE, YOU'RE IN PD 1 93 IN A RETAIL DISTRICT THAT'S GONNA SHOW UP IN THAT PORTION OF THE PIE CHART.
SO IT IS JUST PDS, THEY'RE ALL UP TOGETHER, AND THAT'S WHAT THAT 30% IS.
UM, WE DO HAVE, UH, 23% THAT ARE IN RETAIL, UM, IN, IN SOME VARIETY OF RETAIL DISTRICTS.
UM, WE HAVE 32% THAT ARE IN, UH, SINGLE FAMILY.
AND SO THAT PROBABLY IS THE MAJORITY OF, UH, PROBABLY MOSTLY CHURCH OPERATED CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
UM, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME SUVS IN THERE AS WELL.
UM, AND THE, THE REST OF THE MIX IS, IS ALL THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO THERE'S ONLY 2% THAT ARE LOCATED IN MULTI-FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS AND WHOEVER THOSE WOULD HAVE TO GET SUVS.
UM, AND LET'S SEE, AND UNLESS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE OTHER USES, UM, AND DID YOU SAY THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ONES THAT ARE IN HOMES THAT ARE KEEPING THE 10 TO 12? RIGHT.
THE PIE CHART DOES NOT INCLUDE, DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, OKAY.
DID YOU SAID THAT, BUT THOSE HAVE TO BE LICENSED TOO? YES, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LICENSES.
SO YEAH, SO THIS, UM, ACTUALLY PULLED THIS NUMBER, IF YOU HAVE, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT MORE DETAILS ON THIS.
UM, I TOOK THIS, I MADE THIS PIE CHART OUT OF, UM, THE TABLE THAT'S DOWN HERE AT THE BOTTOM OF 1130.
UM, SO IN THAT ONE, IN THE IN-HOME FACILITIES, THERE'S 87 AND SINGLE FAMILY, 10 IN MULTIFAMILY AND 15 IN PLAIN DEVELOPMENT, AND NOTHING IN THE OTHER ONES.
UM, SO IF, IF THE MAP ON THE RIGHT, UH, INCLUDES ALL OF THE H H SS LICENSE FACILITIES, UM, IT IS PROBABLY ABOUT A THIRD OF THESE DOTS THAT ARE THE LICENSE CENTERS THAT WERE PROBABLY MORE THE FOCUS OF TODAY'S, UH, DISCUSSION.
UM, SO, UH, AND I THINK, UH, UH, UH, WE, WE JUST WENT OVER THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT UM, WE FOUND A MAP, UM, FROM AN ORGANIZATION CALLED CHILDCARE DESERTS.ORG.
AND, UH, THE ORANGE REPRESENTS WHERE THERE IS, UH, SCARCE, UM, AVAILABILITY OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES IN THE CITY.
AND THE BLUE, UM, SHOWS IT IS SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT THE ADEQUATE SUPPLY.
AND I THINK THAT, UM, WHEN STEVEN WAS EXPLAINING THIS DATA, THEY TOOK IT BASED ON, UM, UH, CENSUS BLOCK INFORMATION ON HOW MANY CHILDREN WERE UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE AND WHAT THE CAPACITY, UM, OF CHILDCARE WAS IN THEIR CENSUS BLOCK.
UM, UH, AND I THINK, UH, WE ALSO KIND OF MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, BUT IT IS IN THE SLIDE AND THE REPORTS AREN'T GOING WELL.
SO, UM, THERE'S ABOUT 93,000 CHILDREN IN DALLAS UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE AND 30, ONLY APPROXIMATELY 35, UH, HUNDRED, SORRY, 35,000 LICENSED CHILDCARE SLOTS.
UM, AND THAT'S, UM, IF EVERY SPOT WAS FILLED IN THAT CAPACITY.
UM, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE THAT ARE NOT IN A, DON'T HAVE A SPOT, CANNOT HAVE A SPOT IN, IN THE CURRENTS OF LIFE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S DIFFERENT MIXES OF HOW FAMILIES WANNA RAISE KIDS AND, UM, OTHER PREFERENCES.
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE THE MEANS TO HAVE A NANNY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR MAYBE THEY JUST REALLY WANT TO BE A STAY AT HOME MOTHER.
BUT, UM, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T, IT'S VERY SCARCE AND IT'S HARD TO FIND.
THOSE 35,000 SLOTS INCLUDE CHURCHES.
AND THE DAY HOMES AND THE DAN.
WOW, THESE ARE ALL OF THE AVAILABLE SLOTS, UM, THAT HAVE UNBELIEV THAT ARE LICENSED.
MY YOUNGEST IS 11, SO WE DID THIS DANCE A FEW YEARS BACK.
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OF THAT GAP.UM, ALSO WANTED TO GO OVER SOME CHANGING DEMOGRAPHICS.
UM, THIS, THIS GRAPHIC IS FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU.
UM, IT WAS PRODUCED, I BELIEVE IN NINE OR 2017, IS WHAT THE IMAGE SAYS.
SO I'M GOING WITH THAT SOMETHING ELSE IN 2018.
BUT, UM, THEY WERE COMPARING, UM, THE BREAKDOWN IN AGE OVER TIME, UH, OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO THE CHART ON THE LEFT KIND OF SHOWS THIS PYRAMIDAL, UM, BREAKDOWN OF, UH, PEOPLE AGES ZERO TO, UM, UP TO 85 PLUS.
AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT, UH, TAPERS OFF AS, AS YOU GET OLDER.
AND THERE'S REALLY NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE OVER THE AGE OF 85, BACK IN 1960, UM, THERE WAS LOTS OF KIDS PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT AS WHAT THEY'RE PROJECTING TO BE IN 2060.
BUT, UM, THE DYNAMICS OF SOCIETY, I WOULD ARGUE ARE VERY DIFFERENT, UM, NOW THAN THEY WERE IN 1960.
UM, SO, UM, THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME REASON TO REEVALUATE WHERE THESE THINGS SHOULD BE ALLOWED.
UM, AND THEN, UM, ALSO, UH, AND I THINK THAT THEY MAINLY DID THIS TO DISCUSS AGING AND HOW WE ARE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE, UM, PEOPLE AGE 85 PLUS IN 19 SIX, SORRY, IN 2060 THAN WE DO RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AGING AND, UM, A A R P HAS SAID THAT, UM, THEIR SENIORS HAVE, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELMINGLY REPORTED AS A DESIRE TO AGE IN PLACE, SO NOT HAVING TO MOVE TO A NURSING HOME FACILITY OR SOMETHING TO FIND CARE.
SO, UM, SO HAVING MORE ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO AGE IN PLACE LONGER.
AND THEY ALSO SAID, I THINK IT'S IN THE SAME REPORT THAT, UM, ADULTS AGED 65 AND OVER ARE ESTIMATED TO OUT NUMBER, BOTH PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION AND GENERALLY, UM, BY THE YEAR 2060, UM, CHILDREN 18 AND UNDER.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT MORE SENIORS HERE IN OUR FUTURE.
UM, AND, UM, SO THEREFORE, UM, ALLOWING DISEASES TO OPERATE WITHOUT AN S U P AND ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WOULD PRO, UH, WOULD REMOVE SOME BARRIERS.
THEY'RE STILL GONNA HAVE TO GET LICENSES AND HAVE TO MEET ALL THE STATE REGULATIONS.
UM, AND IT WOULD PROVIDE MORE CARE TO THESE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.
UM, I'M ALMOST TO THE, WE'LL, WE'LL GET TO THIS PART AND THE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT BREAK FOR SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, SO WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE MET FOR NINE AND A HALF HOURS, HAD LOTS OF GREAT DISCUSSIONS.
UM, AND WE AGREE WE CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION ON ABOUT SEVEN TOPICS.
SO I WASN'T GONNA GO OVER THOSE IN DETAIL.
UM, BUT I DID WANT TO, UM, OFFER SOME TIME FOR, UH, OR, UH, FOCUS QUESTIONS IS, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE, UM, TO KIND OF TAKE A BREAK HERE AT THIS FIRST DIFFERENCE, WHICH IS, UH, ZAC RECOMMENDED TO REMOVE THE S U V REQUIREMENT FOR THE NEWLY COMBINED MAIN USE, UM, BUT ONLY IN MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS.
SO, UM, THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAINTAIN THE S U V REQUIREMENT IN ALL THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THE S E P REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL FOR THE NEWLY COMBINED MEETINGS IN ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
AND AFTER WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE DONE WITH THAT, THEN MAYBE WE COULD MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC, WHICH IS ABOUT YARD, UM, UH, MAXIMUM BLOCK COVERAGE AND HEIGHT.
BUT, UM, I FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FIRST PART TAKE PIECE.
UH, YEAH, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS OF WHY BEFORE IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN MF TWO, BUT IT WAS IN MF THREE AND MF FOUR, BUT NOT MF TWO.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, UH, A LITTLE ODD, QUITE FRANKLY.
AND I'M CURIOUS, DO SENIOR CENTERS HAVE YOU, DO YOU CONSIDER THOSE SITES, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE SENIOR CENTERS, LIKE IN DALLAS, THEY HAVE THEM WHERE PEOPLE GO AND SPEND ALL DAY AND DO THINGS AND ALSO SOME OF OUR RECREATION CENTERS.
SO YOU DIDN'T PUT THOSE, INCLUDE ANY OF THOSE AS SITES? NO, BECAUSE THOSE AREN'T LICENSED ADULT CARE CENTERS.
THE SENIOR CENTERS, THERE'S TWO THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING.
SO THE ONES THAT YOU'RE PROBABLY CONSIDERING ARE SPONSORED THROUGH THEIR AMERICAN ACT FUNDS.
ULTIMATELY, THEY'RE FEDERAL DOLLARS, THEY'RE PRIMARY PURPOSE IS FEEDING AND SOCIALIZATION.
SO I THINK THERE'S MAYBE ABOUT 16 OF THOSE ACROSS DALLAS
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COUNTY.YEAH, THEY'RE ADMINISTERED BY THE COUNTY H H SS DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE ABOUT FOUR HOURS A DAY.
AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PROVIDE A MEAL TO SNACKS AND TRANSPORTATION.
UM, IT'S NOT A, UH, SPECIFIED, UM, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUALIZED SUPPORT, SKILL SUPPORT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FOCUS OR EMPHASIS ON PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS, AGE-BASED.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.
SO IF YOU REMOVE THE SS U P REQUIREMENT, WHAT YOUR, YOUR THOUGHT IS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE LICENSING AND ALL OF THAT, WHICH IS THE MORE IMPORTANT THING, MAKING SURE THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE HEALTH REQUIREMENTS AND SPATIAL REQUIREMENTS PER CHILD OR PER ADULT.
IS THAT YOUR THINKING ON THAT ABOUT RIGHT? YES.
WE ALSO, UM, ASK CODE COMPLIANCE IF THEY'VE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UM, CHILD OR ADULT PAID DAYCARE FACILITIES.
AND YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE LIKE A, A CODE FOR THAT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT VERY FREQUENT.
BUT THEY ALSO SEARCHED FOR, YOU KNOW, KEYWORDS AND THEY COULDN'T, THE ONLY ONES THEY FOUND WAS DOGGY DAYCARE.
YOU KNOW,
WHEN YOU PUT THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR NEW CHILDCARE FACILITIES, AND I UNDERSTAND IN SOME WAYS YOU'RE TALKING MORE OFTEN ABOUT SORT OF COMMERCIAL ENTITIES BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS TO A PLACE LIKE PARK HOUSE IN VICTORY PARK THAT CAN'T MEET THE LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, LIKE WE DID THAT THROUGH AN S U P THAT WE MADE A LOT OF CUSTOMIZED, YOU KNOW, COMPROMISES ABOUT BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN EXISTING AND YET WE WERE TRYING TO GET IT THROUGH, 'CAUSE IT WAS SERVING SUCH A LARGE COMMUNITY AND I'M SURE THERE ARE GONNA BE OTHERS THAT WAY THAT CAN'T MEET SOME OF THE PHYSICAL REQUIREMENTS OF LIGHTING, PARKING, SETBACKS, ET CETERA.
AND THERE MIGHT EVEN BEEN SOME RESIDENTIAL HOMES, THOSE THAT HAVE THE 10 TO 12 PEOPLE, WHICH IS A MAJOR PROVIDER IN MANY AREAS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM IF THEY CAN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING AS FAR AS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SETBACK CRITERIA AND ALL OF THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING REGULATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, BUT, UM, IF, IF YOU HAVE SOME SORT OF HARDSHIP, PROPERTY HARDSHIP, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, YOU CAN'T DEVELOP IT COMMENSURATELY AS OTHER, AS OTHER, UM, PROPERTIES IN THE SAME ZONING, THEN YOU CAN REQUEST A VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR SETBACKS, YOUR LOT COVERAGE.
UH, YOU CAN EVEN REQUEST VARIANCES FROM PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I DID WANNA MENTION THAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO REDUCE THE PARKING APARTMENT AND THAT IN A LOT FACILIT, BECAUSE I GUESS MY POINT IS GOING TO, WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS THAT RIGHT NOW YOU ARE ABLE TO DO THAT IN THE S U P PROCESS.
AND I HATE TO ASK SOME RESIDENTIAL PERSON THAT'S TRYING TO PROVIDE CARE FOR 10 BABIES TO HAVE TO WAIT TWO YEARS TO GO THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS IN ORDER TO, RIGHT.
SO, SO THE S E P CAN'T GRANT RELIEF FROM YARD FLIGHT AND SPACE REGULATIONS.
IT CAN FURTHER RESTRICT IT, BUT IT CAN'T GRANT RELIEF.
THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN GRANT RELEASE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CHANGE YOUR ZONING DISTRICT.
WELL MAYBE WE DID IT THROUGH PD BECAUSE WE DID GET THAT RELIEF WITH JENNIFER OUT THERE WORKING ON IT WITH, UM, HARD HOUSE ON IN VICTORY MEDICALS AREA.
YEAH, I, I THINK AN S U P CAN DO SOME DEVIATIONS, THE LANDSCAPING REGULATIONS, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK SS ARE ALLOWED TO GRANT RELIEF.
I THINK ALSO IF THE, CURRENTLY THE CHILDRE FACILITIES CAN, IF THEY HAVE AN S U P, THEY CAN GRANT RELIEF TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS WELL.
BUT, UM, ALL THE, ALL THE SETBACKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE TO, BUT HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT IN AN APARTMENT HOUSE IN A MULTI-FAMILY, IN AN APARTMENT HOUSE? MM-HMM.
I'M, I'M NOT SURE I'M FOLLOWING WHAT I'M SAYING.
HOW DO YOU MEET THAT CRITERIA, FOR INSTANCE, IN MY CASE, AND, AND IT IS, THE ONLY REASON I'M DOING THIS IS TO SAY IF WE DO THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE
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HAVE A METHOD OF BEING ABLE TO EITHER CUSTOMIZE OR DEAL WITH WHAT THEIR SITUATION IS WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.THAT'S, I WANNA CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW DAYCARES VERSUS EXISTING ONES OR ONES THAT ARE GOING INTO EXISTING BUILDINGS OR OKAY.
SUPPOSE A NEW ONE WANTS TO PUT IN, SUPPOSE AN APARTMENT HOUSE WANTS TO ALLOCATE, LIKE THEY DID FOUR APARTMENTS TO BE AN AFTERNOON DAYCARE, WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT MY CASE WAS.
HOW DID YOU, HOW WILL THEY MEET SOME OF THESE VERY SET REQUIREMENTS OF LINE SAME BY PERMITING FOLLOWING THE CODE, THE SAME CONVERSATION AS EARLIER.
THEY GET ALL OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FIT INTO THE ACTUAL CODE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THEY WOULD FIT INTO THE ACTUAL CODE.
I MEAN, I WON'T BELABOR IT, BUT YOU SEE WHERE I'M NOT SURE FROM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT.
AND MAYBE ONE THING THAT HELPS IS THAT BOTH ZAC AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THEY BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? AND THEN, UH, COMMENT LIKE, THE BUILDING DOES MEET THE CODE, LIKE SO IF THE BUILDING MAKES THE CODE, OKAY.
I KNEW THAT, I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION
SO HOW ARE TRANSITIONAL HOUSING LIKE CLASSIFIED? THAT IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CATEGORY, I ASSUME, THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK THAT'S A, A GROUP, UH, RESIDENTIAL FACILITY.
OKAY, SO THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, RIGHT? YEAH, BECAUSE THERE'S ONE CLOSE TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOES HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT, SO IT JUST KIND OF JOGGED MY MEMORY.
THE, SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE DIFFERENCE IN THE ZO OAC AND THE STAFF OPINION ON NUMBER ONE IS, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR
SO DOES THAT, SO AN S U P WOULD REQUIRE NOTIFICATION, CORRECT? YES.
SO IF WE REMOVE THE S U P REQUIREMENT FROM ALL RESIDENTIAL, THEN THE PEOPLE SURROUNDING A LOCATION WOULD NOT OTHERWISE RECEIVE NOTIFICATION? CORRECT.
DO THEY CURRENTLY RECEIVE NOTIFICATION OF A CHILD, SORRY, I'M GONNA CALL IT CHILD MINOR 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THE UK, WHICH IS, I HAVE NO IDEA WE ACTUALLY HAVE THAT HERE.
BUT THE DAY HOME, UH, DO THEY GET NOTIFICATION OF THAT RIGHT NOW? NO.
AND WHERE IS THE PROPOSAL THAT THAT IS STILL ALLOWED BY RIDE? YES.
SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT ON AN S U P REQUIREMENT FOR DAY HOMES? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF THIS IS ONLY REMOVING THE S U P FOR A STANDALONE CHILDCARE CENTER, UH, ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO COULD THE LOCATION BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE AT NIGHT? NO.
UM, AND JUST TO CLARIFY THIS, SS U P WOULD ONLY APPLY TO, UM, RESIDENCES THAT ARE UH, OR I GUESS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME OR ESSENTIALLY ANY OTHER TYPE OF BUILDING IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS MORE THAN 10 OR 12 KIDS, RIGHT? BECAUSE RIGHT UNDER THAT NUMBER IS ALREADY ALLOWED BY WRIGHT.
IF SOMEONE LIVED IN A HOME IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND WANTED TO EXCEED THE LIMITATION OF THE DAY HOME, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET AN S U P.
THEY WOULD'VE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, THEY WOULD'VE TO BRING IT UP TO A D A STANDARDS, THEY WOULD'VE TO MEET THE RATIO REQUIREMENTS THAT THE STATE REQUIRES.
THE STATE ALSO REQUIRES A, UM, A CERTAIN SIZE OF CLASSROOM BASED ON THE AGE OF THE CHILD.
AND SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS JUST LIKE SPACE LIMITATIONS THAT THE STATE ALREADY SETS BECAUSE FOR THOSE UNDER THE 10 TO 12 STUDENT PORTION, ABOVE THOSE.
BUT IS IT TRUE THAT UNDER 10 TO 12, IF THE HOME WAS NOT A RESIDENCE, IT WOULD BE THEREFORE CONSIDERED A CENTER OR NOT ALSO? RIGHT.
SO AS A CENTER, IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
THE HOME, UH, SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN A, A HOME AND WATCHES 10 OR LESS CHILDREN IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
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AND MORE THAN 10 CHILDREN IS CONSIDERED A CENTER.MUST BE LESS THAN 10 CHILDREN DOESN'T LIVE, IT'S NOT KIDS UHHUH.
AND SO WE'RE REALLY JUST CONSIDERING THE
AND I, I FEEL LIKE THAT DISTINCTION IS REALLY THE CRUX OF WHAT ZAP WAS CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE CHILDREN IN NEIGHBORHOODS BY RIGHT UP TO 10 TO 12 IN A HOUSE, RIGHT.
OR BUILDING IN, IF THAT'S THE ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH YOUR CHILD COMMISSIONER YOUNG, AS I UNDERSTAND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, WITH RESPECT TO CSS AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS.
IT IS THAT THE JUDGMENT OF THE OPERATOR TO LOCATE IN ONE OF THOSE DISTRICTS REQUIRES A CHECK AND BALANCE AT CITY HALL TO ENSURE THAT, UH, YOU USE YOUR VENN DIAGRAM, A NURTURING ENVIRONMENT IS BEING PROVIDED.
UM, WE COULD, I, I KIND OF RESERVED A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE END OF THE, UM, SLIDES FOR THE CS AND INDUSTRIAL, BUT BRIEFLY, UM, THE RATIONALE TO MAKE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE ON CHILDCARE FACILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN, OR THAT WANT TO LOCATE IN CSS AND INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS IS THAT IT IS, UM, YOU KNOW, BEING IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO LOTS OF 18 WHEELERS AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT AN INDUSTRIAL OR CSS DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, PERMITS BY RIGHT.
UM, IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST ENVIRONMENT FOR THE VULNERABLE POPULATION.
AND WE'RE NOT WILLING TO DEFER TO THE JUDGMENT OF THE OPERATOR AS TO THE SAFETY OF THAT SITUATION.
I MEAN, I, WITHOUT AN EXTRA SHEET REVIEW, I I WOULD, I TALKED TO SEVEN, UM, FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE TIME WE SENT NOTICES A WEEK AGO OR, OR THEY RECEIVED IT A WEEK AGO.
UM, AND TODAY, AND IT, IT TOOK A WHILE TO EXPLAIN THAT THEY WERE IN AN, IN AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT ALREADY THE MOTION DID NOT UNDERSTAND IF THERE WERE 18 WHEELERS OR SMOKE OR WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE KIDS FROM THEY PRESUMABLY KNOW ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT IS ALSO THE STAFF'S POSITION THAT THE DECISION OF THE OPERATOR TO LOCATE IN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT DOES NOT REQUIRE A CHECK AND BALANCE AT CITY HALL TO ENSURE THAT ADVERSE IMPACTS ARE, ARE NOT CREATED ON THE SURROUNDING SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES.
I MEAN, I I WOULD SAY THAT GETTING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THAT GOING THROUGH ZONING REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY MEET ALL THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF ZONING IS, IS AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROTECT AGAINST, UH, NOISE.
WE ALSO ADDED A REGULATION THAT THEY CAN'T HAVE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES BETWEEN 10 AND 7:00 PM 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM THEY CAN'T HAVE ANY ACTIVITIES BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM RIGHT.
IT SAYS NO OUT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES.
OH, SO THEY THEY COULD DO, THEY COULD RUN THE DAYCARE CENTERS UNTIL TWO IN THE MORNING AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GO OUTSIDE.
I THOUGHT THESE WERE DAYCARE CENTERS.
WELL, THEY, THEY CAN'T USE IT AS A RESIDENCE, BUT THERE ARE DAYCARE CENTERS THAT PROVIDE NIGHTTIME.
PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE WORK OVERNIGHT, SO IT WOULD ALLOW 24 HOURS THERE OF THEM.
AND, AND YOU'RE, THIS STAFF POSITION IS THAT NO CHECK AND BALANCE IS REQUIRED ON PARKING BECAUSE THE OPERATOR, UM, WILL PRESUMABLY PROVIDE WHATEVER PARKING THEY NEED.
I MEAN, I WOULD SAY AS A PARENT, LIKE THINKING ALL THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO THE CHILDCARE FACILITY, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU FEEL LIKE A
UM, I, I DON'T SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT WITHOUT A THOUGHT FOR, FOR THEIR CLIENTS OR THEIR CUSTOMERS OR FAMILIES.
WELL, AND UNLESS THEY'RE DOING IT ON THE SIDE THAT WILL NOT ACCOMMODATE ADEQUATE PARKING,
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THEN THEY MAY NOT HAVE ANYBODY COMING THERE.WE HAVE A DEMAND OF 85,000 AND A FIVE, 35,000.
AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, I'M NOT GONNA GO THERE 'CAUSE I CAN'T PARK WHILE I'M, 'CAUSE I HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF SOMEONE'S HOUSE.
THAT'S WHILE I'M DROPPING OFF MY KIDS.
I, I WOULD ARGUE CONVENIENCE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY CHOOSE.
YOU UH, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I HAVE FOLLOW UP IN WEST DALLAS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF MEASUREMENTS.
I HAVE SEVEN FIVE LOTS THAT 15 FEET FROM I INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY.
SO ACCORDING TO THIS RECOMMENDATION, YOU COULD, YOU COULD NOT PUT DAYCARE IN THE CS OR IR, BUT 15 FEET AWAY ON THE R 75 LOT YOU PUT DAYCARE ABOUT RIDER WOULD NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT.
WELL, PLANNING THEORY IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF TRANSITION BETWEEN, I KNOW THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT FOR DALLAS AND THE IDEA OF US TAKING CLOSER TO WHAT AND HOW ZONING IS I ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE THE WAY THIS IS THE TAP RECOMMENDATION WILL ALLOW DAYCARE BY RIGHT ON.
BUT THERE'D BE NO LIMITATION IF ANY NUMBER OF OUR LOTS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD COMPAR TO DAYCARE.
YOUR EXTERNAL, ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE DISPARATE IMPACT ON A LOWER INCOME NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S CLOSER TO NEIGHBORHOODS? HAVE A LOT AFFORDABILITY.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS USE A HURDLE.
IT'S JUST EXPENSIVE NO MATTER WHAT THE COST OF, YOU KNOW, INSURANCE AND SALARIES AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO IF YOU HAVE A HIGH DEMAND AREA I AREA, BUT YOU HAVE THE KESSLER STEVENS STATE, BUT PRESUMABLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF LARGE POPULATION THAT CAN AFFORD DAY, THAT'S CONVENIENT.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO, IF WE PASS A, A RULE THAT SAYS, OKAY, YOU CAN OPEN DAYCARE CENTERS BY RIGHT.
IN OUR AREA, AN OPERATOR IS MORE LIKELY TO LOOK AT THE PRICE OF A LOT AND
BUT THE LOW, THE LOWER INCOME AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH.
I MEAN, WELL I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TAKING LIKE ECONOMIC FACTORS INTO, BECAUSE I MEAN, I, I THINK IF YOU DO LOOK AT LIKE THE M P A MAP, YOU DO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT IS, I I I MEAN I I'M SURE THERE'S EXCEPTIONS, BUT, WELL, I MEAN, LOOKING AT THE MAP, WE HAVE A PROVISIONAL DIS OR IF WE REMOVE THE BARRIER OF S UT IT'S NOT SUDDENLY GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE ADEQUATE, UM, DISCRETIONARY INCOME TO PAY WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
IT'S JUST, WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THAT.
I I THINK THERE ARE SO MANY BARRIERS TO OPENING A CHILDCARE POSITION.
IT'LL, IT'LL BE VERY, UM, HARD ANYWAY TO OPEN COMMISSIONER RUBEN, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER RUBEN, I, I MEANT TO STEP OUT EARLIER SO I APOLOGIZE IF ANY OF THIS IN TWO USE, UM, AND DAYCARE AND THERE'S BEEN, TALK ABOUT A DAYCARE OPEN A SINGLE MOST DAYCARE, CHILDRE ADULT CARES.
DO WE SEE INSTANCES, UM, OF MANY DAYCARES IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW ARE DEPEND ON, ON LOTS OF 7,500 SQUARE DEEP, 10,000 SQUARE DEEP.
OR THEY FACILITIES MUCH LARGER DEPARTMENTS CONSIDER MUCH LESS
UM, SO, WELL I, I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SPEAK TO THE SIZE OF LOTS, BUT I'LL, I I CAN THINK ABOUT, UM, AN ORGANIZATION CALLED LUMEN EDUCATION, WHICH IS LIKE VERY WELL KNOWN AND RESPECTED.
UM, THEY OPENED IN A HOUSE, UM, IN KIND OF THE EAST DALLAS AREA, JUST KIND OF A BIT ABOVE I 30 OVER BY GRAND.
UM, THEY, UM, THEN WERE ABLE TO OPEN IN A CHURCH BUILDING BUT NOT AS A CHURCH ENTITY IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD DEAD AWAY.
I THINK AT THIS POINT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TO, TO YOUR POINT, UM, THE COMMUNITY, UH, PRICING IS ACTUALLY INCREASING.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY CLOSING THEIR FACILITY IN THE, IN THAT, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY HAD ORIGINALLY OPENED.
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AND UM, THEY HAVE THEIR KIDS, I THINK PRIMARILY IN THEIR KIND OF SECONDARY SITE NOW, WHICH IS, OH, WHAT STREET IS ON, I'VE TOTALLY FORGOTTEN WHAT STREET IT'S ON, BUT IT IS, UM, KIND OF RIGHT, UH, ACROSS, OFF OF THE GAR GRAND, UM, RIGHT OFF OF GRAND.AND I GUESS VISTA MAYBE IS THE CLOSEST.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'VE EVER BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THOSE, THAT, THAT SITE, I THINK THAT IT'S ACCEPTED AND APPRECIATED IN, IN BOTH COMMUNITIES WHERE THEY EXISTED.
UM, BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT LOOKING.
SO THAT INITIAL ONE WAS LIKE A HOUSE CONVERTED TO A CHILDCARE CENTER, NOT A HOME CARE CENTER, A CHILDCARE CENTER, AND THEN ANOTHER HOME THAT WAS ADDED ONTO IT AND THAT THEY KIND OF DID THAT OVER DECADES.
UM, SO IT'S KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT LOOKS.
UM, BUT TWO EXAMPLES OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES THAT ARE IN NEIGHBORHOOD SETTINGS.
I ALSO TALKED TO, UM, AN OPERATOR 'CAUSE HE GOT A LETTER THAT'S ON, UM, PLANO ROAD AND HE SAID THAT, UH, SO THE ONE ON PLANO ROAD IS AN IR, UM, BUT IT ABUTS A MULTI-FAMILY, UM, ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, HE SAID THAT HE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING WELL AT THIS FACILITY IN DALLAS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY APARTMENTS AND CHILDREN NEARBY.
UM, BUT HE HAS ANOTHER FACILITY IN GARLAND THAT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND HE SAID THAT WAS REALLY STRUGGLING BECAUSE THERE JUST AREN'T ANY CHILDREN IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE.
SO, UM, SO A LOT OF, SO THEY, THEY'RE, THEY HAVEN'T PAID OFF, SO THEY'RE STILL OPEN, BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY DO STRUGGLE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A LOT OF CHILDREN NEEDING CARE.
SO YEAH, SO I THINK LIKE THE ECONOMICS, YOU KNOW, ARGUMENT IS THEY WANT TO BE LOCATED WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT NEED THE SERVICES.
AND I THINK MOST PARENTS, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT WE'RE, A LOT OF US HAVE THE, SOME OF US HAVE A PRIVILEGE TO WORK FROM HOME.
YOU KNOW, IT SURE IS NICE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE YOUR CHILD CLOSE TO HOME INSTEAD OF HAVING DRIVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY DOWNTOWN IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA BE WORKING FROM HOME.
AND SO IT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE CHANGES IN LIFE,
MR. RUID, DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? UM, NOT OKAY.
HOW MANY SUVS DO WE CURRENTLY MANAGE? I RIGHT NOW FOR, FOR, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT UM, STEVEN DID TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THE NUMBER OF, UM, SUVS THAT WERE PASSED IN 2020 THROUGH, UM, AUGUST, 2022.
THAT'S ON PAGE 1137 AND 30 14 IS WHAT I COUNT.
AND WE DON'T KNOW AS TO CITY HOW MANY SUVS WE HAD WITH ISSUES.
UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE PERMANENT, UH, LIKE SOME OF THE REALLY OLD ONES ARE FOR PERMANENT TIME PERIOD.
SO ALSO WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD KNOW IF THEY CLOSED OR NOT.
UM, AND THEN IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, YOUR EXPECTATION IS THAT MOST OF THESE FACILITIES WILL NOT BE IN SAY, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU'RE EXPECTING TO BE SOMEPLACE ELSE.
I MEAN, THEY COULD BE IN SINGLE CITY NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT BASED ON WHAT, UM, OPERATORS HAVE TOLD ME IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT THEY WOULD, UNLESS THERE ARE A POTENTIAL FOR VISIT TO BE.
SO THERE'S NOT AN EXPECTATION THAT THIS WOULD, BY RE BY LEAVING STS IN SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF STS BY ALL THAT MUCH.
I, I THINK IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO GET IT, OR IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR THEM TO GET AN S E P RIGHT NOW.
UM, THAT'S, AND IT'S A HURDLE.
LIKE I THINK WE ARE MORE LOOKING INTO, WE HAVE THIS CAITY DO WE WANNA, BUT IT'S A BALANCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING THIS CONVERSATION IS BALANCING THE HEALTH INSTABILITY OF OUR NON MULTIFAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS VERSUS REDUCING THINGS THAT WOULD BE DEEMED THE PROTECTION TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN, PUT TEN FOUR HOUR KIDS.
I WOULD ADVISE THIS, WHAT WE DID TO ADD AN ANGLE TO SAY, IS THIS WHAT IS NEEDED AND IT'S COMPATIBLE BY FAULT BECAUSE IF IT'S A SERVING
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USE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE CAN SWITCH A LITTLE BIT THE ANGLE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S THE ARGUMENT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE.LIKE THESE ARE USES, THESE ARE SERVICES FOR FAMILIES.
THE SAME AS HOUSE IS SOMETHING THAT YOU LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ALSO NEED THIS INTERACTION WITH THE SERVICES FOR EVERYDAY LIFE.
SO CAN THEY BE SMALL ENOUGH TO SUPPLEMENT THAT SERVICE? THAT'S, THAT'S THE ANGLE THAT WE, AND AND I THINK IT ALSO, WE WOULD PROBABLY SEE MOST OF THEM THAT DO LOCATE SINGLE FAMILY, UM, TO PROBABLY CO-LOCATE IN ALREADY, UM, INSTITUTIONAL USES SUCH AS LIKE A CHURCH BUILDING.
SO LIKE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN DO THAT BY RIGHT WITHOUT AN SS U P AS LONG AS THE CHURCH IS THE OPERATOR OF THE CHILDCARE FACILITY AND YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HANGUPS WITH RELIGION AND YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT WANT TO SEND, YOU KNOW, THEIR LOVED ONE TO THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY BECAUSE OF RELIGION.
UM, SO IT WOULD ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE SEPARATION.
EITHER THEY CO-LOCATE OR MAYBE THEY MOVE TO A DIFFERENT FACILITY AND IT JUST BECOMES A CHILDCARE FACILITY.
ALTHOUGH IT WAS ONCE A, A RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION, A
ARE YOU SUGGESTING A, AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL ALLOW CO-LOCATION OF MEDICARE THAT PREVIOUS EXISTING CHURCH OR SCHOOL USE BY NO.
IF YOU DON'T GET
I MEAN, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW BY RIGHT, IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, IT CAN GO IN A CHURCH TO A SCHOOL OR
SO IT, IT'S ALREADY, WE CAN'T HAVE A, WELL WE CAN'T HAVE A NON CHURCH AFFILIATED, NON CHURCH RUN DAYCARE BY RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT WOULD BE A, POSSIBLE, IT WORK BETTER THAT WAY IF IT SEEMS LESS INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST A
SO THEY SAY I'M GONNA BUILD A CHURCH AND THEN THEY BUILD A CHURCH, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I'M JUST KIDDING.
UH, BEFORE WE GET TO THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION, I'LL HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.
I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, YOU DID AN EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS OF THE NEED HERE AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFIC FOR SINGLE MOTHERS IN TERMS OF THE NEED? YES, I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC DATA FOR THE NEED FOR SINGLE MOTHERS, BUT I CAN SAY THAT I KNOW THAT IT, I MEAN ANY PER, WELL FOR A SINGLE, SINGLE PERSON HEADED HOUSEHOLD IN GENERAL, BUT ESPECIALLY FOR SINGLE MOTHERS WHERE, WHICH IS HIGH, MUCH HIGHER PROPORTION OF THOSE HOUSEHOLDS OR SINGLE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
UM, I, I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DATA FOR THE NEED FOR THE, FOR THAT POPULATION.
I THINK IT'S SOME OF IT'S 'CAUSE OF THE DATA LIMITATIONS.
UM, BUT THAT SAID, UM, IT IS OPERATIONALLY IT'S EVEN MORE IMPORTANT IN A WAY BECAUSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY TO GET TO WORK IF THEY DON'T HAVE CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
SO I APOLOGIZE AND I DON'T HAVE NO, THAT'S FINE.
SO, UM, SO WHAT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS, WE ALSO WANTED, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS AT OAC ABOUT, UM, THE ABILITY FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES, UM, TO HAVE MORE LOT COVERAGE AND BASICALLY UNLIMITED HEIGHT, UM, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO THESE ARE THE TWO PROVISIONS THAT WE WERE MAINLY, UH, DISCUSSING WHEN WE WERE AT Z OAC.
AND IT SAYS, UM, IN SINGLE FAMILY, SO IT HAS THESE VERY SPECIFIC DISTRICTS WHICH HAVE A RATIONALE, WHICH I'LL YOU'LL SEE IN, IN THE SLIDE AND IT'S ALSO IN THE REPORT AT THE TABLE.
BUT IN SINGLE FAMILY COMPLEX TOWN HOUSE AND THAT'S ONE AND TWO AND THREE, UH, MANUFACTURED HOUSING, NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICE AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DISTRICTS.
INSTITUTIONAL BUILDINGS MAY COVER A MAXIMUM OF 60% OF THE LOT.
UM, AND THEN STRUCTURES FOR UTILITY AND PUBLIC SERVICE USES, WHICH ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR POST OFFICE AND YOUR, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC SUBSTATION, UM, AND INSTITUTIONAL USES, UM, WHICH ALSO
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DAYCARES, ET CETERA.UM, MAY BE ERECT SCHOOLS MAY BE ERECTED TO ANY HIGH CONSISTENT WITH, UM, F A A AIRSPACE LIMITATIONS, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE, PIPE RESTRICTIONS AND BUILDING CODE.
SO, UM, IT'S A LOT OF WORDS AND SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND IT.
SO I MADE A TABLE IF I CAN GET THIS TO ADVANCE.
AND, UM, OUR FIRST ONE IS OF JUST THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
SO THIS WINDOW IS ABOUT, SO, UM, THE COLUMNS ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
THE KIND OF RED-ISH PEACH I'M NOT SURE IS ALL OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS AND I KIND OF OF LUMP SOME OF THEM TOGETHER TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ.
AND THEN THE GREEN ARE MULTI-FAMILIES JUST TO GET YOU ORIENTED IN CASE YOU'RE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.
UM, SO IN THOSE DISTRICTS, RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED MORE LOT COVERAGE THAN NON RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES GENERALLY.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF 40%, 45% IN SINGLE FAMILY.
AND THEN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ARE LIMITED TO 25%.
SO THAT EXISTING EXCEPTION TO ALLOW, UM, ADDITIONAL LOT COVERAGE GRANT SOME RELIEF FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES LIKE CHURCHES, CHILDCARE FACILITIES, HOSPITALS.
I DON'T THINK THOSE CAN GO TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.
UM, AND ALSO FOR MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT, THE EXISTING REGULATION FOR ALL STRUCTURES IN THOSE DISTRICTS, UM, VARY.
SINGLE FAMILY IS 36 TO 30, UM, FEET HIGH MULTIFAMILY IS 36 FEET FOR MF ONE AND TWO 90 IN MF THREE AND 240 IN MF FOUR, WHICH I THINK MAY ALSO BE PART OF YOUR POINT OF WHY ALLOW AN MF THREE AND FOUR.
IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE ALLOWED A LOT MORE HEIGHT AND AND DENSITY AND IN THE FREE AND FOR, UM, SO I'M TRYING TO GO NEXT AGAIN.
SO THIS LINE, UM, SHOWS YOU WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY, UM, ALLOWS.
AND SO, UM, IN SINGLE FAMILY HERE IN OUR, SEE MY CURSOR PROBABLY NOT MAYBE HERE, UM, IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS, THE, THE DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS INSTITUTIONALLY USES TO GO UP TO 60% LOCK COVERAGE.
UM, AND UM, AND ALSO IN THE MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT.
SO THIS, THIS ALLOWS THEM TO GO FROM 25% LOCK COVERAGE TO 60, WHICH DOES EXCEED WHAT A RESIDENTIAL USE IS, IS, UH, RESTRICTED TO, BUT UM, DOES NOT, IT, IT MATCHES THE RESIDENTIAL USES IN OUR MULTI-FAMILIES ZONING MYSTERIES.
AND THEN ALSO FOR THE HEIGHT, YOU KNOW, THAT PROVISION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAS ALLOWS BASICALLY ANY HEIGHT, UM, SUBJECT TO RRP S AND I PUT THIS LITTLE, UM, ASTERISK IN, IN THESE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPES OR CH UH, MULTI-FAMILY, UM, DISTRICTS HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROXIMITY SLOPE.
UM, SO, UH, ZAC, DURING OUR DISCUSSION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HE MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ALLOWING THIS EXTRA LOT COVERAGE, EXTRA HEIGHT THAT INSTITUTIONAL USERS ARE ALLOWED IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS MAY CREATE SOME, UH, INCOMPATIBLE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT IN WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD.
SO, UM, SO WE'VE PROPOSED SOME, UM, EXCEPTIONS TO THE EXCEPTION IF YOU WILL,
AND SO, UM, SO THIS LAST LINE OF THE TABLE, IT SAYS ZAC RECOMMENDATION, UM, IS 40%, WHICH MATCHES THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES, UM, FOR LOT COVERAGE AND 40 AND 45%, UM, IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.
UM, UH, NO CHANGE THERE AND, AND REALLY THERE'S NO OTHER CHANGE REALLY REQUIRED FOR, FOR, UM, LOT COVERAGE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LOT COVERAGE OF RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES IN THE SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, AND ALSO, UM, RESTRICTING IT TO 36 FEET, UM, FOR ALL OF THESE, UM, MUL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND MF ONE AND TWO DISTRICTS.
SO, UM, SO, UM, UH, SO, SO THIS IS WHAT, SO I WAS RECOMMENDING, BUT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS A LITTLE TWO PART IN COMPLICATED.
SO I'M SORRY
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GOING TO BE REQUIRED IN THE SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEX, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA, DISTRICTS AS ARE COMMITTED BY OAC, WE, UM, OBJECT, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW.UM, WE DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE ALSO FURTHER LIMIT THEIR LOCK COVERAGE AND HEIGHT BECAUSE AN S U P CAN FURTHER RESTRICT LOCK COVERAGE AND HEIGHT.
AND SO IF WE'RE GONNA MAINTAIN THE S U P, IT'S LIKE AN EXTRA BARRIER TO ADD TO ALSO RESTRICT THEIR LOCK COVERAGE AND IN HEIN.
UM, BUT IF THEY, IF YOU KNOW, THE, IF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOT BY RIGHT IN S UH, IN ALL THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WE DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO LIMITING THEIR LOT COVERAGE IN HE, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET AN S U P AND THEY NEED LET'S SAY 46% IN THE R FIVE DISTRICT, THEN THEY CAN GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO GET AN S U P AND GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND TO GET 46% IF THESE THINGS WERE.
SO I HOPE THAT WASN'T TOO COMPLICATED.
OH, IT'S ABOUT TO GET REALLY CLEAR.
COMMISSIONER, RIGHT AWAY I, I'LL, I MEAN I'M HAPPY TO RESERVE MY COMMENT.
MY COMMENT IS REALLY, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL WE'RE GOING TO AFTER THIS WE'RE GONNA GET BACK TO THE INDUS YOUR PROPOSAL FOR INDUSTRIAL, ALL OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
MY, MY COMMENT REALLY HAS TO DEAL WITH, WITH THAT AREA YOUR QUESTION MY YES, MY QUESTION HAS TO RESTRICTIONS IN THE NON-RESIDENTIAL PRESENTING CATEGORIES.
COMMISSIONER ON, UH, YEP, I FORGOT.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IT IS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE RIGHT, LET'S LEAVE COVERAGE FROM ONE SIDE.
WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE OPTION OF ALLOWING A CHILDCARE FACILITY OVER 30 FEET TALL OR 36 FEET TALL IN SINGLE FAMILY? UM, I THINK IT'S ONLY IMPORTANT IF WE'RE ALSO ALLOW OR REQUIRING THEM TO GET A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
WELL, BUT IF WE ARE, THEN WHY THEN WHY IS IT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME NEED OR REASON, UM, TO BUILD MORE THAN A 30 FOOT TALL MM-HMM
BUT I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE RRP S APPLIES.
SINGLE FAMILY DOES IT, IT APPLIES IN MULTI-FAMILY AND CLUSTERED HOUSING.
UH, QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY, IF INSTEAD OF SAYING WE HAVE UNLIMITED HEIGHT, BUT AN S U P CAN RESTRICT IT, COULD WE SAY IN THIS USE MUST COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE UNLESS THE S U P ALLOWS A GREATER HEIGHT OR GREATER LOT COVERAGE AS WE DO WITH PARKING? YEAH, I THINK AS YOU, AS YOUR QUESTION IS MADE COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THAT'S SOMETHING WE DO WITH PARKING.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS CODE.
SO, SO I THINK, I THINK I NEED TO JUST GO OVER WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS ONE MORE TIME AND I PUT UP ON THE SCREEN.
SO IF ZAK'S RECOMMENDATION IS FOLLOWED, UM, AND THEY, UM, THESE USES RE MAINTAIN THE REQUIREMENT TO GET AN S U P IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, WE OBJECT BECAUSE THE S U P CAN LIMIT LOT COVERAGE AND TIES.
IT CAN RESTRICT IT AND IT DOES OFTEN RESTRICT IT BY WAY OF A SITE PLAN.
UM, BUT IF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THE DISTRICT'S PERMITTED MOVES FORWARD, THEN WE DO NOT HAVE AN OBJECTION TO LIMITING LOT COVERAGE AND HEIGHT.
BUT IF, IF ZAC C'S S U P REQUIREMENT IS ADOPTED BY THE COMMISSION, WE JUST HEARD MR. MORINE THAT INSTEAD OF LEAVING HEIGHT AND LOT COVERAGE TO EVERY SINGLE S U P, WE COULD SAY THIS USE MUST COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNLESS AN S U P GRANTS A HIGHER HEIGHT OR INCREASED LOT COVERAGE, WOULD THAT ADDRESS STAFF'S CONCERNS ON, ON SIMILAR TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, HOW THE SS U P CAN SELL WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IS
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FOR SOME INSTITUTIONAL USES.IT COULD BE WRITTEN INTO THE CODE TO SAY THAT THE S U P CAN SET AT HIGH MAXIMUM ABOVE.
THE PARKING ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE PERMISSIVE I FEEL.
SO BASICALLY ADDING TWO RESTRICTIONS ON TOP OF ONE ANOTHER.
SO, SO I THOUGHT THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE S U P IS BECAUSE THIS IS AN INSTITUTIONAL VIEW, THEREFORE IT CAN GO ANY HEIGHT AND ALL OF THOSE NO, BUT I'M SAYING WE CHANGED THAT AND SAY IT IS GOT TO COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNLESS THE S U P AUTHORIZES, BUT YOU STILL WANT THE S U P THAT, SO IT'S TWO.
WELL I'M SAYING IF WE GO WITH ZAC ON THE S U P THEN WE CAN, WE CAN SOLVE PROBLEM NUMBER TWO SEEMS TO ME BY SAYING YOU GOTTA COMPLY WITH THE DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNLESS THE S U P CUTS YOU SOME SLACK AND THAT WOULD PERMIT THEORETICALLY THE 80 FOOT DAYCARE CENTER NEXT TO A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PRESERVING THAT IS STILL LESS PURPOSE OF LESS THAN THAT IS STILL MORE REGULATION.
I JUST WANT THIS TO BE CLEAR, IT WE'RE JUST WELL WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING.
I THINK IT'S JUST MORE COMPLICATED TO DO IT THAT WAY.
IT MIGHT BE HARDER FOR SOMEONE TO FOLLOW OUR ZONING REGULATIONS.
AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE REQUIREMENT IS TER YEAH, I, I MEAN, EXCUSE ME FOR BRINGING UP, SO TO ME THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, BUT YOU KEEP USING THE TERM THAT THIS IS AN INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE AND I AM ALL FOR CHILDCARE, DON'T GET ME WRONG.
HOWEVER, WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH S STR, WE SAID THAT USING A SHORT TERM RENTALS, A HOME IS A COMMERCIAL USE AND YOU KNOW, A CHURCH IS MORE, CHURCHES ARE NOT, OR NONPROFITS, YOU KNOW, SCHOOLS AND NONPROFITS.
IF ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW A COMMERCIAL, YOU KNOW, MOST DAYCARE CENTERS ARE PROFIT MAKING CENTERS, KINCARE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE BUSINESSES, A LOT OF 'EM.
SO IF ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BLOCK YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL ENTITY WITHOUT HAVING TO COME FOR ANY APPROVAL, THEN WE'RE RIGHT BACK TO THE S T R QUESTION.
AREN'T WE ALLOWING COMMERCIAL IN WHAT WE HAVE SAID, AND YOU ARE CALLING IT INSTITUTIONAL, BUT IS IT INSTITUTIONAL NOW? HMM.
THAT'S HOW IT'S LASTING CO RIGHT NOW.
BUT DON DON'T CONSIDER
I DON'T KNOW IF
YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE EXISTING ADULT DAYCARE FACILITIES AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES ARE IN THE INSTITUTIONAL SECTION.
THAT'S JUST A DECISION THAT HAS BEEN MADE LONG AGO BY COUNCIL THAT THESE ARE INSTITUTIONAL COMMUNITY SERVICE USES.
WELL DID THAT ANTICIPATE THE BUSINESSES OF CHILDCARE CENTERS? CAN I INTERJECT WITH TWO THINGS? ONE, IN OUR RESEARCH, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS UH, CHECKING WITH SARAH, IT ALL ZONING CODES IN THE COUNTRY, CHILDCARE AND SCHOOLS ARE INSTITUTIONAL USES.
SO THAT'S ONE KIND OF LIKE SOLVED.
IF WE WANNA CHANGE THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE ON IT, AGAIN, BY ALL MEANS YOU HAVE THE POWER TO RECOMMEND THAT.
AND SECOND PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE INSTITUTIONAL USES AS WELL.
BUT A PRIVATE SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT SITTING THERE GIVING, UH, OWNERS SHAREHOLDERS MONEY THAT THEY'VE MADE IN PROFITING.
EVEN A PRIVATE SCHOOL IS FUNCTIONING AS A NON-PROFIT CORPORATION BASICALLY.
YES, THERE'S SOME CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF CHILDCARE FACILITIES.
YOU KNOW, YOU SEE CONVERTED MCDONALD'S, WHICH IS A WONDERFUL RETROFIT.
AND THAT IS A PROFIT MAKING PLACE WHERE YOU DROP YOUR KIDS.
ARE WE SAYING LET'S DEVALUE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING A HOME THAT DOESN'T HAVE SIGNS THAT ANYTHING LIKE THAT NEXT TO YOU THAT'S A DAY HOME.
I DON'T HAVE A BIT OF PROBLEM ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT IF ALL OF A SUDDEN I HAVE GOT WHAT I SEE IS A DRIVE UP COMMERCIAL PLACE THAT SAYS KENDRA CARE COME ON IN, YOU
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KNOW, DROP YOUR KID OFF, THAT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN DEVALUED MY HOME OR MY MY BLOCK ON EACH SIDE.AREN'T WE SUDDENLY PUTTING COMMERCIAL INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD IF, IF THE QUESTION IS ABOUT SIGNS THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE NON-BUSINESS BY REGULATION.
YEAH, BUT IT IS A COMMERCIAL ENTITY IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S NOT A QUESTION WE CAN ADDRESS.
BECAUSE YOU SEE WE JUST SAID LIKE PER THE ZONING CODE, BUT DID THAT ZONING CODE EVER EQUATE AND I'M JUST SAYING I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT ZONING ZONING CODE WHEN IT WAS WRITTEN EQUATED WHAT WE SEE TODAY AS COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE CHILDCARE CENTERS WITH WHAT WE CALL AT HOME DAY HOMES, GROUP HOMES, THAT SORT OF CENTER SENIOR UH, CENTERS.
I MEAN THERE IS, I THINK YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET AN ANSWER FOR FOR THIS TIME.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY AGAIN, THE SAME WITH EVERY USE, LIKE THE FINANCIAL PART OF IT AND HOW THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY AND THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT.
THAT SOUNDS ZONING ZONING AND LAND USE AND DESIGN STANDARDS ARE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IF THE CONCERN IS TOO BIG OR IT HAS A BIGGER SIGN, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT WE CAN TALK.
BUT HOW THEY'RE FUNDED AND BECAUSE THEY'RE FUNDED LIKE THAT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT LAND USE.
I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO LIKE, UNLESS DANIELLE ALLOWS US TO.
IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION ABOUT RENTER HOMES OR OWNER HOMES.
THAT'S NOT LENDS, THAT'S NOT ZONI.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT SCALE AND THEN WE LOOK AT MASSING AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH THAT.
I WOULD SAY IT'S A COMMERCIAL USE JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR FINANCING AS A BUSINESS MODEL BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE DO.
BUT THE TENDENCY WOULD BE WOULD NOT FOR COMMERCIAL DAYCARE FACILITIES TO BE LARGER IN SCALE AND THEN THE HOMES, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE ALSO USE IT REGULARLY, RESIDENTIAL VERSUS NON RESIDENTIAL AND THAT PRETTY MUCH I WOULD SAY COVERS.
WE ALSO REFER TO THAT AS WELL.
IS THERE, IS THERE ANOTHER ISSUE HERE THOUGH WITH ALLOWING AN INSTITUTIONAL BAR? RIGHT? UM, INSTITUTION MEANS BY WRITING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE PLANNING REGULATIONS DON'T REQUIRE THAT ASIDE FOR INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE CONFORM PATTERN, THE AREA.
SO THEORETICALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COME IN BY MULTIPLE ADJOINING RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND PUT YOU THE INSTITUTIONAL COMMERCIAL USE THERE WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES OF SCALE AND APPROPRIATENESS TO AN S E P PROCESS.
BUT THERE WOULD BE NOTHING TO STOP THAT IF THE DAYCARE CENTER IS ALLOWED BY ROT IN RESIDENTIAL THE REGULATE IF DAYCARE IS CLASSIFIED AS INSTITUTIONAL USE AND THEY ALSO GET A AFFORD BED EXCEPTION IN FLAT.
IS THAT CORRECT? I MEAN I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE THE, THE COMMENTS ARE SAYING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE BIG, BUT WE WANT THEM TO BE ON SMALL LOTS.
AND I, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME
SO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A NEW BUILD TO BE IN A BIGGER LOT.
AND I DON'T SEE WHY THAT'S AN ISSUE.
WELL I THINK HISTORICALLY THOSE INSTITUTIONAL USES THAT ARE AFFORDED THAT GREATER, YOU KNOW, SIZE ARE CONSIDERED ARE USUALLY CHURCHES BUT SCHOOLS THAT WHATEVER FOR WHATEVER REASON YOU CONSIDER THAT TO BE NORMAL AND SCHOOLS REQUIRE YEAH.
BUT FOR ALL OF A SUDDEN TO INTRODUCE A COMMERCIAL ENTITY WHICH HAPPENS TO BE CLASSIFIED AS INSTITUTIONAL USE FOR IT TO BE AFFORDED THAT GREATER SCOPE THAT YOU, YOU GIVE THE, WELL MOST OF US CONSIDER BE TRADITIONS TO, SEEMS TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS POTENTIAL FOR OFFERING VERY FUNDAMENTALLY OFFERING CHARACTER OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO, TO BETTER IN MY, WHAT I'M HEARING IS IF HERBA CHATEAU OPENS THE MOST PROMINENT DAYCARE FACILITY IN THE COUNTRY AND DECIDES, HEY WE NEED THESE IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, LET ME BUY TWO LOTS AND BUILD IT, I CAN GO UP 70 FEET, I CAN GO BECAUSE OF THIS REGULATION I CAN DO, I HAVE A LARGE REALM OF THINGS THAT I CAN DO, UM, INCLUDING FRONT SETBACK AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
SO I SEE HOW WHY THAT WOULD BE, UH, SCARY FOR CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS, A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS,
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ALL OF ITWITH THAT, YES, WITHOUT, I THINK SARAH'S GONNA CONFIRM AGAIN WE SAID THAT IF IT'S BY LINE WE'RE GONNA PUT THE LIMITATION THAT THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE THE ONE IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SO THE ANSWER, SO HER, YOU COULD NOT GO 60 FEET NO, BUT IT WOULD NOT ADDRESS THE WA SIZE.
AND AND NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THE POTENTIAL UNICORNS, RIGHT? BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO THIS ARGUMENT THAT YEAH, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO THE DEMAND FOR THIS USE IS GONNA BE SO GREAT WITHIN ONE LITTLE POCKET OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S GONNA BE LESS EXPENSIVE.
I JUST GO TO A COMMERCIAL UNIT AND OVER DAYCARE, RIGHT? YEAH.
I WOULD, I DUNNO IF SCOTT WANTS TO ADDRESS THIS, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS YEAR THIS IS NOT MANDATORY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A SCHOOL WHERE IT HAS ITS MANDATORY EDUCATION, THEREFORE IT DRAWS A LOT OF KIDS.
SO IT'S, YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IT COMES LIKE BECAUSE THERE DOESN'T NEED, THERE ARE SO MANY KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S HOW THE RIGHT SIDE ON TOP OF THAT, THE STATE REGULATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE THEIR LIMITATIONS, HOW MANY KEYS PER SQUARE FOOTAGE AND ALL OF THAT.
SO THE QUESTION, THE UNICORN WOULD BE, WOULD A CENTER THAT HAS A THOUSAND KIDS WOULD COME IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, RIGHT? WELL IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE LOCATION AND THE LAND VALUES.
YOU HAVE VERY CHEAP RESIDENTIAL LAND AND THE STATE HUMONGOUS, YOU KNOW, MULTIFAMILY STATE REGULATION.
I DON'T AND THE STATE REGULATIONS, DOES THE STATE HAVE A MAXIMUM ENROLLMENT? I DON'T THEY HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S THAT LARGE.
UM, THEY HAVE A UH, UM, LIMITATION TO AGE BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE PLUS.
YEAH, THEY HAVE BOTH SQUARE BUDGET AND STAFFING RATIO REQUIREMENTS.
YEAH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE 200, 500,000 KIDS IF YOU PROVIDE THE STAFFING IN THE SPACE AND MM-HMM.
'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE SURE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL TRY TO SEE IF I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.
BUT I'M NOT CERTAIN WELL YOU LIMITED, YOU'RE LIMITED AND ALL THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE PER CHILD, THEY'RE VERY STRICT ON THE PERMITTING ON THAT.
AND AFTER ALL THAT COMMISSIONERS, I THINK WE MAY BE HOLDING THIS.
SO
AND UH, IN BACK IN JUNE, THE STATE, UM, PASSED A BILL THAT REQUIRES ANY ZONING CHANGE OR AMENDED TO THE DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, TO NOTIFY ANY USE THAT WOULD BE MADE NONCONFORMING.
UM, YEAH, BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND EACH OCCUPANT.
I'M SURE DANIEL CAN HELP ME IF I MESS ANYTHING UP HERE.
BUT, UM, SO WE SENT THESE LETTERS OUT TO ALL OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE ARE IDENTIFIED AS BEING IN CS AND INDUSTRIAL DISTRICTS, WHICH THE PROPOSAL IS TO, UH, CHANGE IT FROM BY RIGHT IN THOSE DISTRICTS TO BY S E P.
UM, AND SINCE THAT WOULD MAKE THEM NOT INFORM, WE SENT THESE NOTICES, IT WAS, UH, FRONT AND BACK.
SO LIKE THE FRONT PAGE IS TO PROPERTY OWNER OCCUPANTS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXPLAINING WHAT'S GOING ON.
HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING YOU TO CLOSE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
THESE ARE THE ONLY WAYS THAT, UM, YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR NOT PERFORMING RIGHTS IF YOU CLOSED FOR SIX MONTHS IF YOU CHANGE TO A CONFORMING USE, UM, OR YOU DESTROY IT INTENTIONALLY.
UM, OR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GOES THROUGH THIS PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO AMORTIZE YOUR HUGE, AND BY THE WAY, THAT NEW BILL REQUIRES THE CITY TO, TO OFFER A MARKET VALUE IF THAT DETERMINATION IS MADE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO AMORTIZE THEM.
SO, UM, SO IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THE CITY'S EVER GOING TO CLOSE ANY OF THESE NON-CONFORMING USES.
UM, AND, BUT THE BILL ALSO REQUIRES THE CITY TO WRITE THIS, UM, 14 POINT BOLD ALL CAPS THING THAT SAYS IN QUOTES, YOU MAY LOSE THE RIGHT TO CONTINUE USING YOUR PROPERTY FOR ITS CURRENT USE.
SO I, I HAVE THE JOY OF TALKING TO, UM, AT LEAST SEVEN UM, PROPERTIES THAT RECEIVED THIS NOTICE AND ARE VERY CONCERNED.
UM, BUT IT IS REQUIRED THAT WE SEND THIS NOTICE AND A, A FEW OF 'EM, UM, ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, BUT, UM, THIS, THIS IS THE, THE THING THAT THEY GOT IN THE MAIL AND UM, ONCE AGAIN WE JUST, UM, IF WE'RE THINKING IN BROAD TERMS OF WHAT THE CODE SHOULD SAY AND THE APPROPRIATENESS OF ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, THIS IS WHY WE SENT THIS LETTER.
SO, UM, ANYWAY, AND I HAVE A COPY OF IT IN CASE ANY OF Y'ALL WANNA READ IT IN DETAIL, BUT I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME AND UM, I CONCLUDE THE PRESENTATION.
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YES.COMMISSIONER YOUNG, A COUPLE LAST QUESTIONS.
UM, WE WERE GREATLY FACILITATED WERE WE NOT IN SENDING OUT THESE NOTICES BECAUSE THESE ARE BY DEFINITION STATE GRADE LICENSED FACILITIES AND THERE'S A FINITE LIST OF THOSE.
IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT TATTOO PARLORS, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND SEND OUT LISTS OF LETTERS LIKE THIS? ACTUALLY THOSE ARE ALSO A LICENSED BY THE STATE
WELL OTHER NUANCED PIECES IS THAT IT WILL BE HARDER.
AND, AND CONCEIVABLY, I GUESS YOU COULD USE THE DATABASE OF COS OKAY.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE, WELL YEAH, WE, COMMISSIONER CHAIR, RAY CARPENTER,
SO I JUST WANTED TO REVISIT THE DISCUSSION WE WERE HAVING ABOUT, CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS TO DO? IT'S TO PULL BACK SOME OF THE CURRENT PERMISSIONS TO OPERATE A CARE CENTER IN AN INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
NOT REALLY TO PULL BACK ON THE EXISTING ONES.
THEY, THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY CAN EVEN CLOSE FOR UP TO SIX MONTHS AND OPEN AS A NEW FACILITY, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THEY SELL THE PROPERTY.
SO FOR A NEW FACILITY, THEY HAVE TO GET A NEW GP AND THEY DON'T CURRENTLY.
SO A COUPLE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONVENIENCE IN YOUR VENN DIAGRAM MM-HMM.
AND SO IF WE HAVE A WORK LOCATION THAT IS IN AN IR OR A C E O OR ANY OTHER OF THOSE DISTRICTS, MAKING IT MORE OF A HURDLE FOR THEM TO OFFER CHILDCARE FOR THEIR EXISTING NEW EMPLOYEES, I THINK WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THINK TWICE ABOUT.
SECOND OF ALL, WE'VE TALKED A LOT OF TIMES IN THIS BODY ABOUT HOW, BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS ZONING DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, WE HAVE AREAS THAT ARE INADVERTENTLY ZONE INDUSTRIAL, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THAT THERE'S RESIDENTIAL OCCURRING THERE.
AND SO I THINK I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT THOSE TWO REASONS WHEN ADDING AN ADDITIONAL HURDLE FOR NEW CARE CENTERS.
UM, SO TO THE EMPLOYER BASED ONE, UM, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SOME, LIKE, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A, A, A TYPE OF USE IN OUR CODE CALLED THE LIMITED USE, AND IT CAN'T EXCEED 10% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA AND IT CANNOT HAVE ITS OWN SIGNAGE.
UM, AND I THINK THEY HAVE TO HAVE, I WRITE THIS ANYWAY, SO IT IS, IT BASICALLY DESCRIBES EMPLOYER BASED.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE BODY WANTED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW IT AS A LIMITED USE IN CSS AND INDUSTRIAL, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN EMPLOYER BASED, UM, FACILITY.
UM, BUT I, UH, ALSO WITH THE S U P REQUIREMENT, UM, THE FEES FOR AN S U P AND THE PROCESS FOR AN SS U P IS VERY SIMILAR TO OUR GENERAL ZONING CHANGE REQUIREMENT.
SO ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN TELLING A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE YOU NOTED, WE HAVE A LOT OF AREAS IN DALLAS THAT, UM, ARE ZONED CSS OR INDUSTRIAL, BUT THEY MAY NOT LOOK LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL AREA.
YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE FULL OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OR ANOTHER SCHOOL AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE ACCOUTREMENTS OF A INDUSTRIAL SUBDIVISION.
AND, UM, AND THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES.
UM, I, I SENT ALL THESE ADDRESSES TO OUR, FOR DALLAS TEAM AND SAID, HEY, CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THESE AREAS AND SEE IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON YOUR, UM, AREAS FOR CHANGE, UM, THING IN FORWARD DALLAS.
SO I DID, UM, SEND THOSE ON AND SEE IF THEY COULD TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
YOU CAN SEE IF AT LEAST IT CAN MAKE IT INTO FORWARD DALLAS.
IT MAY NOT MAKE IT TO A ULTIMATE ZONING CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IN THE END.
BUT, UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO LOTS OF THEM AND EXPLAINING JUST LIKE THE PROCESSES AND THE HURDLES THAT BECOMING A NON BOARD USE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRES.
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THANKS MR.UM, WERE THE NON-COMPLIANCES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED AS ANY OF THESE LETTERS LIMITED TO DAYCARES THAT AT CSS AND DAYCARES AND ADULT DAYCARE? RIGHT.
BUT YOU WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT ONES THAT DEPARTMENT DEPART OR ANYTHING? CORRECT.
IT WAS JUST THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION.
SO, UM, I THINK NON PERFORMING USE IS, UM, EITHER IT'S NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE AT ALL, PERIOD, OR IT REQUIRES AN SS U V BASICALLY.
JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY WITNESSES WERE SENT OUT? UM, SO WE HAVE TO SEND IT TO BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE OCCUPANTS, WHICH WE'VE INTERPRETED TO MEAN SEND IT TO THE FACILITY
UM, SO THERE WAS 18 SITES IDENTIFIED.
SOME OF 'EM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE OCCUPANT WERE THE SAME.
SO IT MAY NOT BE DOUBLE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE 18 SITES, BUT THERE'S 18 SITES, HOWEVER THAT WORKED OUT.
MR. HERBERT, LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, SIR.
SO SPECIFIC, UH, PLAZA AMERICAS, THERE'S A BRIDAL HORIZON FACILITY INSIDE RIGHT HERE, DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
UM, IT'S USED BY SEVERAL EMPLOYEES, HOSPITALS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COMPANIES USE IT, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT BASED OUT OF THAT HOSPITAL.
I MEAN, OUT OF THOSE FACILITIES, HOW WILL THEY BE AFFECTED? WILL THEY APPLY FOR S U P NOW? WILL THEY THEY'RE GOOD BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY ZONED.
YEAH, THEY'RE ALREADY LOCATED IN A CENTRAL AREA DISTRICT, SO THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THEIR ZONE.
SO IF THEY WERE, SAY IN A WAREHOUSE DISTRICT PROVIDING THE SAME SERVICES, UM, ARE WE PROVIDE, MAKING THEM DO SOPS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES OR WHAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITING INDUSTRIAL, UH, COMMERCIALS.
WE JUST DON'T THINK IT'S AN APPROPRIATE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE VULNERABLE POPULATIONS THAT GO TO CHILD AND ADULT DAYCARE CARE FACILITIES.
EVEN IF THOSE FAMILIES ARE WORKING AT THOSE FACILITIES AND DISTRICTS.
I MEAN, THEY CAN GET AN
I CAN, I CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT THE WORKERS MAY NOT LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE SERVICE IN THE NEIGHBORS WHERE IT'S MORE, WHERE IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE THAN CLOSER TO THE HOME.
BUT FOR THE AVERAGE WORKER WHO GETS OFF AT FIVE 30, UM, TO GET TO THEIR RESIDENTIAL AREA COULD BE UP TO AN HOUR, TO AN HOUR AND A HALF.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
YEAH, JUST TAKE IT BACK HERE INSTEAD OF MOVING TO YOUR WORK.
LET'S TRY AND KEEP IT IN THE NEIGHBORS WITH THE NEIGHBORS KIDS AND ALL OF THAT.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW I PICKED MY SON UP DOWNTOWN VALLEY RIGHT BEFORE I GO HOME.
IF I WAS TO WAIT TILL I GOT HOME, I WOULD PAY EXTRA MONEY BECAUSE NOW I'M IN AN AFTER HOURS KIND OF CARE SITUATION.
MS. MAY, MR.
I THINK WE'RE AT CASE NUMBER FOUR.
IS THAT RIGHT? CHILD CENTER? ARE WE STILL, WE WE TAKE, WE TAKE A BREAK.
YOU CAN LEAVE, YOU CAN TAKE A BREAK IF YOU NEED COFFEE.
THE RESTROOM? NO, WE'RE KEEPING GOING.
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FOLKS, WE HAVE MICROPHONES HERE, GUYS, AND THEY CAN'T HEAR THE, THE SPEAKER, SO WE COULD PLEASE KEEP IT DOWN.SO ITEM NUMBER FOUR FOR PACIFIC, USE TRICAL SUBSTATION ON PROPERTY DOWN ON AA AGRICULTURE DISTRICT.
IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH HIGH OF CEDAR ROAD, WEST OF GLEN ROAD.
IT'S APPROXIMATELY 6 42 65 ACRES.
CEMENT IS ON THE SOUTH SOUTHERN OF DALLAS.
SO THIS IS IN AN AREA OF THE AREA REQUEST.
IT'S ON THE SOUTH OF CEDARVILLE ROAD.
THE AREAS AROUND THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST IS AGRICULTURE.
TO THE EAST IS INDUSTRIAL SUBDISTRICT WITHIN PLANS AMONG DISTRICT NUMBER 7 6 1.
UH, TO THE NORTH IS INDUSTRIAL SUBDISTRICT WITH IMP
AND THEN TO THE SOUTH IS THIS AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, AND IT'S, UH, USES AROUND THE AREA IS MANUFACTURING, BUILDING, SELL, SLOT, VEHICLE STORAGE LOG TOWARD THE NORTH AS WELL AS A WAREHOUSE TO THE NORTHEAST.
UH, IT IS UNDEVELOPED BY, UM, ADJACENCY TO TOWARD THE EAST AND WEST.
UM, THERE'S A WAREHOUSE SEAT AND THEN THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY, UH, TOWARD THE SOUTH, UH, EASTERN OF THE PROPERTY.
THE AREA REQUEST IS CURRENTLY UNDEVELOPED.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE OFFERS THROUGH SUBMISSION TOWERS ON SITE.
THE APPLICANT REQUESTS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION.
AN ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION IS A FACILITY FOR TRANSFORMING ELECTRICITY FOR DISTRIBUTION TO INDIVIDUAL CUSTOMERS.
THEN A, A AGRICULTURE DISTRICT AND ELECTRICAL ASSOCIATION IS PERMITTED BY S U ONLY AS THESE ARE SOME OF THE SIDE PHOTOS OF THE SIDE.
LOOKING TO THE SOUTH, UH, AGAIN, LOOKING TO THE SOUTH MENTIONED, UH, THERE ARE ION POWERS ON CEDARVILLE LOOKING SOUTHWEST, ONDALE LOOKING SOUTHEAST SURROUNDING S UM, DEL LOOKING WEST, LOOKING NORTHWEST, LOOKING NORTH, LOOKING NORTHEAST, LOOKING EAST ON SIERRA ROAD AND LOOKING NORTHEAST AND LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON THIS SIDE POND.
AND THEN, UM, SOME OF THE REDUCES.
SO THE TIME LIMIT, THE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT HAS NO STORAGE DATE.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO, UH, ADD A SOLID EIGHT FIFTH HIGH, UH, CONCRETE ONE, MR.
AND THEN STAFF IS COMMENDING
QUESTION MR. UM, SO THIS ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION, IS IT GOING TO PREVENT OTHER USES FROM GOING AROUND IT? NO.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR THAT AREA REQUEST AND IF YOU PUT UP THE SIDE MAP, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE LOT ARE WE TAKING UP? SO, SO THEY ACTUALLY, AS YOU GO TO, SO THEY ACTUALLY OWN ALL OF THIS UP TO HERE, HOWEVER, THEY'RE JUST SUPPOSED TO DO THE ELECTRICATION ON THE NORTHERN AREA OF THEIR LOTS.
AND IS THIS ONE OF THESE CASES THAT ENCORE IDENTIFIES THIS LOCATION AS NECESSARY FOR THE COVERAGE IT NEEDS? I'M NOT, NOT SURE.
THAT MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR THAT.
OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER HARPER, IN YOUR OBSERVATION, WAS THE LAND CURRENTLY BEING CARED FOR? BECAUSE SOMETIMES IN THIS SECTION, ENCORP PARTICULARLY, SO I KNOW MOST OF THE AREAS AROUND THIS UNDEVELOPED, SO RIGHT ADJACENT, SEE TOWARD THEM TOWARD THE EAST IS JUST, UH,
AND ARE THERE ANY FENCING OR MATERIAL PROPERTY ON THE PROPERTY ALREADY? CURRENTLY? CURRENTLY, NO.
JUST THE, JUST THE CASE MISSING POWER.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE'LL KEEP GOING.UH, CASE NUMBER FIVE, COMMISSION GONNA BE HELD UNDER FIVE UNTIL OCTOBER 5TH.
HAS THIS BEEN REACHED FORM? NO.
Z 2 12 2 60 IS AN APPLICATION FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A PUBLIC SCHOOL EITHER THAN AN OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL ON PROPERTIES ON R 16 A.
IT'S PERY WITHERS ELEMENTARY THAT IS IN A BLOCK FOUNDED BY ALFA VISTA WONDERLAND.
TRAIL IN NORTH HAVEN ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 8.5 ACRES.
IT'S IN NORTH DALLAS, NORTHWEST DALLAS.
UM, IT IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE FAMILY ON THREE SIDES AND THEN BY A PARK NORTH HAVEN PARK ON THE WEST SIDE.
UM, AND IT'S ALL R 16 IS ONLY, IS ALL R 16 AROUND IT.
UH, AGAIN, A LOT OF PICTURES FOR SCHOOLS.
I'M HOPING I'M GOING QUICKLY THROUGH THEM.
THIS IS THE VIEW FROM NORTH HAVEN.
THIS IS BASICALLY THEIR FRONT WITH THE EXISTING PARKING LOT AND YOU CAN SEE THE LEFT THE PARK FURTHER GOING ON NORTH HAVEN.
YOU CAN SEE THEIR SIGN, THE SCHOOL AS IT IS TODAY.
YOU CAN NOTICE THE, UM, THE POLES, THE ONCO POLES WITH THE VERY LOW, UM, WIRES.
YOU CAN NOTICE ALL OF THE DROP OFF AREAS IN THE, IN THE SIDEWALK.
BEAUTIFUL TREES ON THE CAMPUS.
THEY HAVE A SITTING AREA IN FRONT ANYWAY.
UH, MID BLOCK CROSSING ON NORTH HAVEN.
SAME JUST, UH, OBSERVE THE, UH, MULTITUDE OF, OF POLES THAT ARE BASICALLY LIMITING THE SIDEWALK AND THE CONFIGURATION, UH, THE CORNER OF NORTH HAVEN AND WONDERLAND.
UM, SAME, YOU CAN SEE THE UTILITY BOXES.
IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I THINK I TOOK THIS GOOGLE VIEW, BUT IN MY PICTURES WHEN I DID MY SITE VISIT, I NOTICED THAT ENCORE ADDED MORE POLES ON, UH, WONDERLAND AND ALTA VISTA.
SO, UH, THEY ARE KIND OF LIKE THEIR THREE MAIN FRONTAGES ARE KIND OF LIKE VERY LIMITED RIGHT NOW.
THEY WILL TRY TO WORK AROUND THEM, UM, THESE OF VIEW FROM WONDERLAND TO SEE WHAT IS PARKED AND HOW, AND THE RIGHT AWAY AND THE FRONT YARDS OF YOU ON THE SIDE.
ACCESS TO THE STREET FROM ONE, UH, FROM WONDERLAND VIEW, FROM WONDERLAND AND ALTA VISTA, THE PORTABLE, THEY'RE COMING TO REMOVE THEM.
THEN NEWLY INSTALLED ON CORPORALS ON ALTA VISTA LANE, A LITTLE BIT OF A GRADE BETWEEN THE FENCE AND, UH, THE YARD CROSS, UH, MID BLOCK CROSSING.
UH, ANOTHER FROM
UM, WE RECEIVED A REVISED CYCLE AND IT HAS ON A SMALL, SMALL TWEAK.
I SENT IT TO YOU I THINK YESTERDAY.
UM, BUT TO GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE SITE PLAN, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS THEY'RE KEEPING THE EXISTING SCHOOL JUST ADDING THE SHED AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER ADDITION KITCHEN ADDITION, A LITTLE BIT OF AN ADDITION IN THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL JUST FOR, TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT THE VESTIBULE.
UH, BUT THEIR MAIN ADDITION IS BASICALLY GOING ON WONDERLAND TRAIL AND THEY'RE CREATING THIS TWO CURB CUTS WITH THE DROP OFF AREA AND A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THAT AREA.
WE WORKED WITH THEM AND WE CODIFIED IN THE CONDITIONS TO HAVE THE ENTIRE SIDEWALK ON WONDER WONDERLAND REDONE, AND ESPECIALLY THIS ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, BIGGER AND HAVE A BIGGER, UM, BUFFER.
SO THEY, YOU CAN PUT SOME OF THE REQUIRED STREETS BETWEEN THE STREET AND THE DRIVEWAY TO SOFTEN IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WE ACCOUNTED FOR THAT PROVISION IN THE S U P.
UM, WHAT ELSE? AND, UM, ADDITIONAL AMENITY AREAS ON THE NEW EDITION, THEY'RE SHOWING A DETENTION POND, UH, WHEN THEY TALKED TO ENGINEERING AND IT TURNED OUT THAT THEY NEED THIS AND WE WORKED WITH 'EM TO REQUIRE TREES AROUND IT TO SOFTEN IT A LITTLE BIT.
WE ALSO REQUIRE S P CONDITIONS, TREES AROUND
THIS IS THEIR, UH, TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN, UM, WITH THE DROP OFF.
AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THEY CAN GET IN.
THEY DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEY LOOKED AT THE CIRCULATION AROUND THE SITE RIGHT NOW.
UM, THE DROP OFF AND EVERYTHING IS DONE ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THIS IS AN INTENT TO BASICALLY PULL IT ON THE PROPERTY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND ALSO THEY ARE LIKE, UH, KEEPING THE BUSES SEPARATED FROM THE CAR, DROP OFF AND PICK UP.
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UM, NORMAL, UM, FOR INSTITUTIONAL USES.UH, AGAIN, NORMAL INSTITUTIONAL USES DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
S U P CONDITIONS, AS I WAS SAYING, FOR LANDSCAPING.
THIS MAINLY ARTICLE 10, BUT WE ARE ADDING, SO THIS IS, WE'RE JUST ADDING IN THEIR CONDITIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PROVIDE MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED.
UH, AND WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE THE TREES IN THE RIGHT OF WAY COUNTED TOWARDS WHATEVER WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THE, UH, WATERLAND TRAIL SITE.
UM, SIDEWALKS AND BUFFERS ARE NORMAL ALONG AS ALTAVISTA AND WONDERLAND.
UM, I WANTED TO PUT MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE, BUT YOU CAN, YOU COULD SEE HOW THE POLES ARE.
AND, UM, IT WILL SACRIFICE THEIR BEAUTIFUL TREES.
UM, PEDESTRIAN REMAINS FOR TREE AREAS, SCREAMING OF THE EXISTING PARKING LOT.
THIS IS SOMETHING ALSO WE ASK THEM TO DO AND THEY AGREE.
UM, THIS BEING SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDATION MEANS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO A SITE PLAN, A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN AND CONDITIONS IS BRIEFED WITH THAT LITTLE CHANGE TO SHOW THE THE SHED ON THE, ON THE SITE PLAN.
MR, ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ITEM? MR. YES, PLEASE.
UM, SIMPLE, JUST, I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE.
SO I KNOW WE DEAL WITH LANDSCAPING.
I KNOW ARTICLE X IS OUR GO-TO.
UM, RETENTION PONDS ARE, UM, TRYING TO GO PEE IN MIND.
I'VE SEEN 'EM DONE GREAT AND I'VE SEEN THEM DONE HORRIBLY.
IS THERE ANY WAY AS A COMMISSION WE CAN REQUIRE RETENTION POND? UM, UM, ATTRACTIONS, UH, IN OUR, IN OUR, UM, SCOPE, I THINK WE, WE, WE TOLD IT'S, I THINK IT WAS PRETTY NORMAL.
TALK TO APPLICANTS AS SAY DIVISION RETENTION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAPTURES A LITTLE BIT OF WATER AND THEY'RE NOT, UM, WE WERE TRYING TO, WHAT IF WE PUT A TRAIL, LIKE THAT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH THE APPLICANT.
WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THIS? UM, THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO AND GET CLEARANCE FROM ENGINEERING THAT THEY CAN PUT SOME TREES AROUND IT AND THEY CHOSE THE CYPRESS SWITCH DRIVES UNDER LIKE CUBAN.
UM, SO GOING FURTHER, RIGHT? HOW DO WE, HOW CAN WE TALK TO THEM ABOUT CONTROLLING LG CONTROLLING MOSQUITOES, UM, MAINTAINING WATER QUALITY OF THE POND, THOSE ITEMS? DO WE HAVE ANY PERSON BEER TO DISCUSS? I WOULD SAY NO.
OTHER THAN AGAIN, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET WHEN I SEE IT'S SHOWN ON THE SIDE PLAN, BECAUSE THEY, THEY CHOSE THIS ROUTE, I'M TRYING TO MAKE TO SOFTEN IT AND MAKE IT NICER.
I KNOW ENGINEERING REQUIRES A FENCE AROUND IT.
A LOT OF GRIEF I HAVE WITH THAT.
I WOULD PREFER THAT TO BE UNDERGROUND, BUT, GOTCHA.
THANK YOU MR. STANDARD, PLEASE.
YEAH, I DO HAVE, UH, A QUESTION I WANT TO BRING UP.
WE DID HAVE, WE HELD THIS TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND UH, AS DR.
DRAYER WAS SAYING, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID IS WHERE THE NEW KITCHEN IS GOING IN, THE DAD'S CLUB HAD TWO SHEDS THERE, SO THEY MOVED THEM.
BUT AN INTERESTING THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND DIDN'T THEY SAY THAT ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT WITH THE GROWTH OF DALLAS, WHY AREN'T WE ALSO PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE EXPANSION? 'CAUSE THIS IS THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUDENTS, UH, AS IS ALREADY THERE.
EVEN THOUGH IT'S 10 EXTRA CLASSROOMS, IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF STUDENTS.
AND SO ONE THING THAT THEY DID IN THIS CORRECT, IS THAT THEY ADDED, AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE OUTLINE FOR ANY FUTURE IF THEY, IF THIS SCHOOL NEEDS TO GROW IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THEY'VE SHOWN RIGHT ABOVE THE, UM, CAFETERIA THAT YOU COULD GO THAT WAY IF YOU HAD TO EXPAND.
AND AT QUESTION, IS THERE NO PARKING ON ONE LANE TRAIL SIDE WHERE YOU GO IN TO PICK UP YOUR CHILD? THERE ARE SOME, YOU SEE THERE ARE SOME.
RIGHT NOW THERE ISN'T ANY NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE, I WANNA MAKE SURE, BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE NO PARKING IN THE FUTURE.
OH, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.
ON THE STREET, CORRECT? UH, YEAH, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S, I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SHOWING THE PARKING LOT.
I THINK IT'S, THIS IS COMING UP.
I THINK THEY CAN INSTALL SOME ON THEIR SIDE.
UH, AND THEY CAN DO THAT WITH TRANSPORTATION.
RIGHT? I'M TALKING ABOUT ON THE SCHOOL SIDE THERE'S TO BE DONE.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
THEY DON'T WANT ANYONE RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SERVICING EVERYONE FROM NORTH HAVEN AND THEY DON'T WANT, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IT ON SITE AS OPPOSED TO ON THE STREET TO PREVENT ALL THIS PULLING UP ON THE STREETS.
I THINK THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE, THE MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL MAKE THAT THE DISTRICT BE RESPONSIBLE.
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OKAY.AND THEN I DO WANT TO ASK SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS, I DIDN'T SEE IN THERE THE CYPRESS, I SAW THE CYPRESS TREES AROUND THE PARKING.
I SAW THE NINE TREES ALONG ALGA VISTA AND I SAW A FENCE AROUND THE DETENTION POND.
DID YOU, IS IT SPECIFIED? BECAUSE I THINK ALL THESE DETENTION FUNDS SHOULD NOT ONLY JUST HAVE A FENCE, THEY SHOULD HAVE THOSE
UH, YEAH, ENGINEERING HAS TO APPROVE ON WHAT TYPE OF VEGETATION GOES AROUND THEM BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT INTERFERE WITH THE WATER.
UH, IT'S IN THE, IT'S IN OUR S T D CONDITIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE NAMED BALL, BUT LET ME REFRESH IT.
I SAW IT ON PARKING AND I PUT, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT WE START TRULY SCREENING IT, NOT JUST WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME DINKY DENTS.
'CAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT A LOT OF PLACES.
OH, AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN A STORM SHELTER, SO, SO I NOTICED THAT 51 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED, BUT 56 ARE GOING IN.
SO THEY'RE OVER PARKING BY A LITTLE BIT.
I WOULD DEFER TO THEM TO ANSWER.
WE ALWAYS TRY TO GET THEM TO A LOT EITHER FOR RATIO OR THEY A LOT OF ATHLETIC, A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON ON CAMPUS.
QUITE FRANKLY, I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE DISCUSSION WAS OKAY, I'LL OF THAT.
UH, TO ANSWER COMMISSIONER SAN, THAT I APOLOGIZE.
IN THE LANDSCAPING PROPOSED S CCP CONDITIONS, PAGE SIX SEVEN, YOU'LL SEE A MINIMUM OF EIGHT BALD CYPRESS TREES MUST BE PLANTED AROUND THE PROPOSED DETENTION POINT INDICATED ON SITE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON MS? OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE OUR LUNCH BREAK.
SO WE'LL GO TO NINE, WE'LL COME BACK TO SEVEN AND EIGHT.
LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO 9 180 1.
IT'S, UM, NEW SPECIFICALLY PERMIT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A RESTAURANT WITHOUT A DRIVING OR DRIVE THROUGH, UH, ON PROPERTY.
LOCATED WITHIN SABER TWO OF
IT IS LOCATED SOUTHLINE ON JAKE, UH, LAKE JUNE ROAD, EAST OF ROSE GARDEN AVENUE.
OR, UH, ON THE AREA YOU CAN SEE IT'S BASICALLY IN A RETAIL STRIP.
UM, IT HAS COMBINATION OF RETAIL PET ABUSES TO THE NORTH AND SOME, UM, CAR RELATED USES.
AND AROUND THE, TO THE SOUTH THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY.
HOWEVER, I THINK THE LOT IMMEDIATELY BACK, I DON'T GET THE SENSE.
PROBABLY IT'S A DUAL TYPE OF USE, BUT IN THE BACK THERE'S A BIGGER PARKING LOT THAT'S CONNECTED.
UM, RETAIL STREET IMMEDIATELY TO THE, TO THE WEST.
THERE'S A COMMERCIAL ABUSEMENT INSIDE.
UM, THIS IS A LARGER VIEW OF HOW THE D ONE, UH, CONTROL OVERLAY AND THE ZONING IN THE AREA.
JUST I WANTED TO SEE HOW IT FITS IN.
UM, THIS IS THE NOT MANY PICTURES, NOT MUCH EXCITEMENT ON THE SIDE OF THAN THE BUILDING.
UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON LATE JUNE.
UM, THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CAN SEE INSIDE THIS BUILDING THERE ARE THREE UNITS, BUT ONLY TWO ARE BEING USED.
ONE IS A HAIR SALON, THE OTHER ONE IS THIS RESTAURANT.
THIS IS MORE OF THE RETAIL STRIP.
UH, 'CAUSE IT CONTINUES TO SHARE WALLS ACROSS THE STREET ON LATE JUNE.
UH, CORRELATED A RETAIL TYPE OF USES.
THE S U P CONDITION IS THE USE.
WE PUT A LIMITATION, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING FIVE YEARS.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE THE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS.
WE PUT A LIMITATION ON THE FLOOR AREA BEING ONE UNIT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE ENTIRE BUILDING.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
I TRIED THAT TOO AND THEN I REALIZED IT WAS A LITTLE BEEN SO EASY.
UH, ON THEIR C O FOR THE RESTAURANT, THEY HAVE THE SQUARE
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FOOTAGE FOR THE, FOR THE RESTAURANT, WHICH IS 1,842.BUT IN THEIR REQUEST ON THE ORIGINAL SITE, THEY WERE SHOWING, UH, 1500.
SO THAT'S WHY, UM, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OFF.
SO WE CORRECTED IT UP TO MATCH THEIR EXISTING CO THIS IS THEIR SITE PLAN.
UM, AS I WAS SAYING, THREE UNITS.
THE RESTAURANT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE.
UH, PER THE CO THE PERSONAL SERVICE USE HAS A 1,100.
AND WHAT'S IN THE BAG? THEY SAY STORAGE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A CO, NO NOTHING.
SO, UH, WE
THE, UH, THE BRIEFING INCLUDED THE CORRECTION OF THE SITE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND THAT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARPENTER, BEFORE WE TAKE QUESTIONS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE C 2 23, 2 10.
IT'S LOCATED NEVADA NORTHEAST DALLAS ON RICHARDSON.
AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT FOR R ONE HALF ACRE.
SAME FAMILY DISTRICT USES IN MEDICAL CLINIC OR, UH, MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SYM SURGICAL CENTER USES WITH CONSIDERATION FOR AN NS A, UH, NAME FOR THE SERVICE DISTRICT ON COPIES OF R ONE HALF ACRE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT WITH SPECIFIC USE OF PERMIT NUMBER 6 5 1 PER COLLEGE UNIVERSITY SEMINARY ON THE SOUTH LINE OF WALNUT STREET, EAST OF HAMS ROAD, ABOUT 4.1 ACRES.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR MODIFIED DEVELOPMENT, PRIMARILY RELATED TO USE OF SMART AREA DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP A MEDICAL CLINIC OR AMBULATORY SURGICAL CENTER.
AND HERE IT IS ON THE, UH, RICHLAND CAMPUS.
IT'S AN UNDEVELOPED PORTION ORIGINAL CAMPUS.
UM, TODAY AND TO THE NORTH, UH, THERE'S AN OFFICE COMPLEX AND THEN AN OUTSIDE CITY LIMIT.
THERE IS AN UNDEVELOPED PORTION OF THE, UH, RICHLAND CAMPUS AND THE EAST.
IT'S A LARGE SEARCH PARKING LOT AT THE SOUTH, UH, PART OF THE CAMPUS, UH, ON THE SAME LOT.
AND THAT THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE AS PART OF THE, UH, COLLEGE TO THE WEST.
AND IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED THAT OUR HALF EIGHT PER SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT AND IS UNDEVELOPED.
IT DOES HAVE THE SS U P THAT ALLOWS VIRTUAL POLISH TO OPERATE.
UM, AND SO THERE'RE REQUESTING TO KEEP THE, UH, THE PERMANENT SS U P IN PLACE AND NOT MODIFY THE, UH, THE CONDITIONS OF THE S U P.
UH, AND WE'LL SHARE A LOT WITH THAT, UH, BUT WILL NOT MODIFY THAT.
THAT WILL REMAIN AT IN OVERLAY.
AND THEY'RE REQUESTING A NEW PD BASED ON ALL ONE HALF ACRE.
UH, THE ONLY CHANGE IS TRULY BEING TO ALLOW THAT MEDICAL CLINIC, UH, USE AND REDUCE THE CAR DEPARTMENT FOR THIS USE TO A DEGREE.
UH, ALTHOUGH WE DO RECOMMEND AGAINST A SINGLE USE FRAME DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT SHOULD BE A PERMISSION TO PROVE OF PD SEVERAL REFERENCE OF CONDITIONS THAT INCLUDE THAT WOULD IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE OR DESIGN AND CATEGORY RELEVANT.
AND SO AGAINST THE SITE, UM, OR ON WALNUT LOOKING WEST, CYCLING ON OUR LEFT, LOOKING A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS THE SIDE.
AND NOW FLIP IT AROUND AND TURN LOOKING EAST, THE SKULL, THE SIDE, THERE'S A BIT OF A RISE, RIGHT, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
UH, I THINK I'M GONNA CROSS UP ONTO THE RISE, UM, ON THE SITE.
STILL LOOKING WEST FROM, FROM WALNUT TOWARDS THE OFFICE COMPLEX.
IT MUST BE A TOP THE, UH, TOP THE HILL, UH, KIND OF LOOKING EAST TOWARDS THE, UH, NORTH PART OF THE CAMPUS.
UH, MOSTLY IN THE DEVELOP CROSSING OVER MORE OF A LOT, UM, TOWARDS THE CENTER OF RICHMOND CAMPUS.
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STANDING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UH, OF THE SITE LOOKING AT THE SURFACE BAR IN THE SOUTH WHERE IT'S THE VIRTUAL CAMPUS, UM, CORE.AND THIS IS SORT OF ACROSS WALNUT OF THE STREET LOOKING SOUTH.
YOU CAN SEE THE SITE, THE RISE THAT EXISTS THERE.
BUS STOP IN THE CORNER THERE, ACCESS DOWN AND WALNUT.
YES, THERE IS THE ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH AT THIS SIDE.
I MEAN, IT'LL IT'LL BE ON THE SAME LOT, UH, BUT IT'LL BE DIFFERENT ZONING.
AND THEN THAT'S LOOKING AT THE, UH, OPEN SPACE FOR THE WEST.
AND NOW SURROUND USES WILL BE NORTH, THE OFFICE COMPLEX TO THE NORTH.
UM, AND NOW LOOKING EAST, THERE'S SOME RETAIL, I BELIEVE THE CITY REPRESENT IN THAT DIRECTION.
SURROUNDING USE BEING THE SERVICE PARKING LOT TO THE SOUTH OR ORIGINALLY CAMPUS.
UH, MORE THAT SERVICE DEPARTMENT OF THE SOUTH.
AND WE'RE RIGHT NOW HERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
AS THEY PROPOSE IT A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, UH, WE PROVIDED SOME ENGINEERING COMMENTS.
UM, AND AS THE REPORT STATES THAT APPROVAL OF THAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN VISITATION TO NOT NECESSARILY A RESOLUTION OF THESE COMMENTS, ALTHOUGH DEVELOP PLANS SHOULD PERFORM THIS CASE.
UM, SO WE DID REQUEST THOSE AND THOSE ARE AVAILABLE IN THE
SO GET DOWN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, AND PRETTY MUCH LEAVE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF R ON THAT PAPER IN PLACE.
UH, STAFF DID RECOMMEND REDUCING THE REPORT STEP ACT, UM, TO, UH, TO ENCOURAGE MORE WATER DESIGN, UM, ANY FURTHER ITERATION OF THE SITE OR REDUCING THE SITE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THE
AND, UH, SO BASICALLY HE FUNCTIONS THE SAME AS THAT RF PAPER ALLOWS ADDITIONAL USE.
UM, THEY ALSO DID REQUEST THE PARTNER REDUCTION FROM 200 TO 250 SQUARE FEET OF CORE AREA FOR EACH SPACE FOR THE MEDICAL CLINIC USE.
UM, BASED ON THE SIZE OF BUILDING DEVELOPMENT PLAN, ALL VERY LESS SPOTS.
UH, SO TOTAL OF ONE 20, UH, PROVIDED AND REQUIRED, UH, WITHOUT THE REDUCTION, MAYBE 150.
UM, DESIGN STANDARDS I CAN HIGHLIGHT AND ZOOM ON ANY OF THE PARTICULAR ONES.
UM, THEY ACCEPTED, UH, A NUMBER OF THESE SUGGESTIONS FROM STAFF INCLUDING, UH, SIX FOOT SIDEWALKS WITH A BUFFER ALONG THE WALNUT.
UM, IMPROVED DRIVEWAY CROSSINGS LANGUAGE YOU'RE LIKELY FAMILIAR WITH.
FOUR, UM, PEDESTRIAN MEN USING, KEEPING TWO BENCHES, TWO TRASH CANS AND CLASSICAL RACKS LOCATED ALONG THAT SIDEWALK.
PEDESTRIAN SCALE LIGHTING LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE SURELY FAMILIAR WITH.
UM, AND THEN WE IFIED, UH, VAN PEDESTRIAN PATH CODE OF THE SITE THAT DOES HELP CONNECT WALNUT STREET TO THE, UH, RICHMOND CAMPUS AND KIND OF GET A LITTLE INTERNAL CONNECTIVITY EVEN THOUGH THIS IS, THIS STILL, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE LOT.
UH, THERE'S PUBLIC RIGHTWAY RUNNING THROUGH, UM, THE PROPERTY.
THIS STILL IMPROVES INTERNAL ACCESS, SO NOT JUST THIS SITE, BUT THE, THE REMAINING WITH THE RICHLAND SITE.
SO, UH, WOULD'VE HAD BEEN CODIFIED AT THAT PEDESTRIAN PATH ON HERE WITHIN, UH, WITHIN THE, UH, WESTERN PART OF THE SITE.
AND AS I SAID IN THE GOVERNMENT, SANDERS, WE RECOMMENDED A SMALLER FRONT YARD, THEN THE 40 THAT'S CURRENTLY, UM, PART OF THE BASE DISTRICT.
AND, UM, WE, THEY REQUESTED, UM, EXCUSE ME, THE 201 FOR 200 RATIO PARKING.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NO REQUIRED PARKING.
UM, SET RECOMMENDATIONS, APPROVAL OF AN INTENT SA LABOR SERVICE DISTRICT IN LIEU OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, UH, THAT SAID RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE TO ADOPT IT SHOULD COMMISSION APPROVAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.
QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GARDNER? UH, YES.
ON YOUR PARKING RECOMMENDATION IS THE RATIONALE FOR THAT, THAT, UH, IF THEY WERE TO PROVIDE NO PARKING ON SITE, UM, THE PATRONS WHO COME BY AUTOMOBILE COULD PARK IN THE RICHLAND LOT ACROSS THE STREET, POTENTIALLY.
SO IT SHARES A LOT WITH THE RICHLAND CAMPUS STAFF HAD SERIOUS CONCERN WITH THE CONCENTRATION OF, UH, PARKING IN THAT AREA.
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AND, UH, HAVING NO RATIO, UH, MEANS THAT THERE COULD BE EASIER ACCOUNTING FOR, UM, IN, IN THE BROAD CAMPUS PARKING REQUIREMENT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR ZERO PARKING.AND THAT IS, THAT IS POTENTIAL.
BUT MY QUESTION, I GUESS IS IF THEY WERE TO BUILD ZERO PARKING, WHICH THEY MIGHT NOT, BUT IF THEY WERE, WHERE WOULD THE CARS PARKED? AND ISN'T THE ANSWER IN THE RIDGELAND LOT ACROSS THE STREET? IT'S, IT'S NOT ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE'S NO PUBLIC S UH, SEPARATING THAT DRIVE.
RICHMOND DRIVE IS NOT A STREET.
I MEAN, IT SHOWS HERE, I DON'T KNOW.
WELL, I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE ONE, BUT THERE, THERE ARE SINGLE LOT THOSE PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS RIGHT ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY.
HOW WIDE IS THAT? HOW WIDE IS THAT DRIVEWAY? UH, FEET, UH, 24 FEET, THE FIREMAN.
AND DOES THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC ON MM-HMM.
UM, AND I'M GUESSING THAT THE PORTION OF THE BIG PARKING LOT ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY, UM, I'M TRYING TO GET BATTERY THAT APPEARS TO BE THE FARTHEST PARKING FROM THE BULK OF THE COLLEGE BUILDINGS? THAT'S CORRECT.
AND UTILIZATION LEAST LIKELY TO BE USED BY THE COLLEGE ON A DAILY BASIS.
UTILIZATION WHEN I WAS THERE WAS EXTREMELY LOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE PORTION OF THE LOT CLOSEST TO THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAYED INTO THAT THINKING.
SO YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS PICTURE, IT'S PROBABLY NOT A SCHOOL BIT, BUT, UM, I WAS THERE ON WEEKDAY AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE CASE IN THAT CASE.
THE ONLY TRAFFIC I SAW COMING THROUGH THE, THE, THE FIREARM WE WERE WAS TALKING ABOUT, UM, WAS THE BUS, THE BUS STOPS ON THE SOUTHERN PART LOT AND NORTH PART LOT.
I YOU BROUGHT UP BUSES BECAUSE THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION.
IT IS A, IT IS A PARKLAND CLINIC.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE NEEDS TO SERVE A DIFFERENT POPULATION OR, 'CAUSE MY NEXT QUESTION, AND I'M HAPPY TO REFER THIS TO THE APPLICANT, IS IF SO, WHAT IS THE MEANS BY WHICH THAT CONSTITUENCY WOULD ACCESS THE, UH, THE CLINIC? ARE THERE, IS THERE DART SERVICE? YES.
YEAH, YOU, YOU GOT IT? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S PLAY IT INTO THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO, UM, DART STATION OR DART BUS, UM, HIGH FREQUENCY BUS RUNS, UM, AND DROPS OFF ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS AREA OF REQUEST THROUGH ROUTE 17.
IT RUNS AT THE SAME FREQUENCY AS THE DART RAIL AND IT IN A FIVE MINUTE, UH, BUS, IT TAKES YOU FROM THIS SITE TO THE, TO TWO LINES OF RAIL AT, AT EJ CENTRAL AND THEN THE OTHER DIRECTION ABOUT 10 MINUTES TO THE, UH, THE, UH, THE OTHER STATION ON LG JAIL AND BLUE LINE.
SO THERE'S EXTREMELY HIGH FREQUENCY BUS SERVICE.
SO IF I WERE A RESIDENT OF VICTORY MEADOWS, WHAT WOULD BE MY PATH? I WOULD'VE TO WALK TO THE PARK AT THE PARK LANE DAR DART STATION.
YOU COULD GET ON, GO BY THAT TO SOME, SOME DART STATION TO CONNECT TO THE BUS LJ THERE'S THE, THE RED, THE RED ORANGE LINE GO FROM PARK LANE.
PARK LANE STATION TO L B J CENTRAL.
UH, THERE'S TWO LINES RUNNING THERE AND THEN YOU CAN GET ON 17 LINES VERY FREQUENTLY.
BUT THE 17 ALSO RUNS FROM PARKWAY, UH, AREA AT ON SKILLMAN AND THEN IT RUNS UP AND BACK ON THE OTHER WAY TO THIS SITE COMING NORTH MULTIPLE WAYS.
THE, THE BUS FROM PARK LANE AND SKILLMAN MIGHT BE BEST FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE EASTERN PART OF VICTORY MEADOWS AND PARK LANE DART STATION MIGHT BE THE BEST FOR THOSE ON THE WEST? YES.
UH, QUICK QUESTION ON THE NO PARKING.
SUPPOSE YOU WERE LIKE COMMISSIONER KINGSTON NON-AMBULATORY.
ARE THERE HANDICAP PARKING AT THE SITE? IS THERE HANDICAP PARKING AT THE THEY WILL, THEY'LL, GOOD QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HANDICAP PARKING FOR A NEW SITE, IF THEY PROVIDE PARKING, A PORTION OF IT WILL HAVE TO BE HANDICAPPED.
UM, AND THERE'S DOCUMENT PRECLUDES THEM FROM INCLUDING ANY DEGREE TO PARKING.
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WELL I HOPE THAT WHETHER THEY HAVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOR PEOPLE, 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S A PARKLAND CLINIC AND THAT COULD BE THE CASE OF IT.SOMEONE IN A WHEELCHAIR WHO CAN'T GET EASILY ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY OR SOMETHING AT THE SAME RATE.
I WOULD, I WOULD ARGUE THAT TRANSIT SERVICE, UM, IS ALSO VERY VALUABLE FOR PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE A DISABILITY THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM HAVING COMMISSIONER SHARP.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS AN N SS A SIMPLY BECAUSE, UM, IT IS NOT YOUR PREFERRED FORCE OF ACTION TO HAVE A PD WITH ONE USE.
BUT ALSO NSA IS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SITE.
IT'S ON A LARGE THIRD FAIR OF WALNUT STREET IS A LARGE DIRT FAIR.
THERE'S RETAIL, UM, COMMUNITY RETAIL ZONING ACROSS WALNUT.
THERE'S RETAIL IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON, SOME KIND OF ZONING.
AND THE, THE SIZE OF THE SITE, THE ACCESS OF THE SITE N S A IS THE LEAST INTENSE, UH, COMMERCIAL ZONING OR RETAIL, UH, ZONING.
UH, BUT IT DOES ALLOW CLINIC BY WRITING.
BUT CAN I, CAN I ADD ALSO, I'M SORRY, FOR PDS, WE, I TRIED, WE TRIED TO USE THE ANGLE, THAT'S AN EXCEPTION.
LIKE LET'S SAY CAN YOU MEET BASE CODE AND IF NOT, WHY DO YOU NEED THIS EXCEPTION? AND THEN WE CAN WORK AND START NEGOTIATE SOMETHING COMMUNITY BENEFITS.
SO WE ALWAYS TRY TO PUT THAT ANGLE LIKE, PLEASE, WHY DO YOU NEED THIS EXCEPTION? OKAY, SO WOULD AN ALTERNATIVE BE AN NS THAT IS LIMITED TO THE MEDICAL CLINIC? WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T, THERE'S NO TOOL WITHIN MS TO, TO TAKE OUT THINGS, UH, FROM A GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT MY, THIS PLANNER'S PROFESSIONAL OPINION WILL GET UP.
THERE ARE NO USES IN M SS A THAT ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THAT SITE ON THIS FLOOR ORDER.
AND YOU AGREE YOU ARE, YOU'RE UNDER, YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE APPLICANT DISAGREES WITH THAT ASSESSMENT? I, I AM.
AND WE, AND WE LET HIM EARLY IN THE PROCESS THAT, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.
A RECOMMENDATION IS DIFFERENT.
THIS WHOLE THING ABOUT THE SETBACK, THE FIVE FEET MINIMUM STACK RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT 'CAUSE YOU WANT THE ENGAGEMENT AT THE STREET LEVEL BECAUSE THERE'S RETAIL ACROSS FROM THE STREET? I'VE TALKED FOR A LONG TIME ABOUT THE SETBACK, BUT I WILL SAY THAT THE BASE STEP ACT IN THE DISTRICT HAS, OR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT MR HAS IS BEING PUT FORWARD IS GONNA BE 40 'CAUSE IT DEFAULTS BACK OUR ONE HALF ACRE, UH, DISTRICT.
BUT I GUESS WHAT IS THE CONCERN WITH THAT? SO, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, JUST BROADLY, WHEN YOU HAVE A 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK AMONG OTHER THINGS, IT MAKES IT HARDER TO ACCESS FROM THE STREET BY A TRANSIT USER, A PERSON WALKING BECAUSE IT SEPARATES IT AND, AND PUTS PARKING IN FRONT, IT VERY FREQUENTLY LEADS TO THE ONLY OUTCOME BEING PARKING IN BETWEEN THAT THERE IN THERE.
SO THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT OBSTACLE.
UM, THEY MAY NOT UTILIZE IT NECESSARILY, BUT IT'S WHEN AT THE VERY LEAST INCENT CLOSET THAT IT'S CLOSER TO THE STREET.
IT'S MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PEDESTRIAN OR TRANSIT USER.
AND THAT WAY, LIKE WE SAID, IF A PERSON IS ANY DRIVER HAS A DISABILITY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO AS FAR THROUGH THE PARKING LOT POTENTIALLY.
SO I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY THAT THE CONCERN WITH THE 40 FOOT STEPBACK MEANS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED THEY'LL PUT PARKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE ROAD.
IS THAT YOUR PRIMARY CONCERN WITH THE 40 FOOT? THERE ARE.
THERE ARE A LITANY OF, OF GOOD REASONS TO HAVE REDUCED FRONT SETBACKS, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE OF 'EM.
UM, OTHERWISE IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S A MORE APPROACHABLE, UM, IT'S A MORE APPROACHABLE, UM, EDGE TO HAVE A, A BUILDING CLOSE TO THE STREET WHERE YOU'RE WALKING, NOT EVEN ACCESSING A SITE WHERE YOU'RE WALKING PAST IT.
UM, AS IT, IT HELPS IN DEFINITION AND SCALE.
UH, WHEN IT'S WIDE AND OPEN, IT'S OFTEN UNCOMFORTABLE FOR A PROFESSOR, EVEN IF THEY'RE JUST WALKING PAST.
UH, COMMISSIONER, IS THERE OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? LET'S GO AHEAD AND HIT TO THE HORSESHOE AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN WITH THE BRIEFING OF THIS CASE.
QUESTIONS? WE'LL BEGIN THE BRIEFING PLEASE.
MELISSA, MEANWHILE IS AROUND IN ALASKA.
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SHE LOOKS LIKE IT.IT SOUNDS LIKE RYAN
YOU MIGHT HAVE LOST SPECIFIC CHECK.
[CALL TO ORDER]
CAN YOU PLEASE START US OFF WITH THE ROLL CALL? GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT, ABSENT DISTRICT NINE.
IS SHE ONLINE DISTRICT 13 PRESENT.
DISTRICT 14 HERE AND PLACE 15? I'M HERE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. PINA.
GOOD AFTERNOON LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST, 1250
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5:00 PM WELCOME TO THE DALLAS CITY PLAN COMMISSION.A COUPLE OF QUICK ANNOUNCEMENTS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.
OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES, UH, EACH SPEAKER WILL RECEIVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, I WILL, MS. PINA WILL KEEP TIME.
SHE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS UP.
I WILL PLEASE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO BEGIN YOUR COMMENTS WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
WE ALSO WILL HAVE SOME SPEAKERS ONLINE.
I WILL ASK ALL OUR SPEAKERS ONLINE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR, YOUR CAMERA ON AND WORKING.
UH, STATE LAW REQUIRES US TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU IN ORDER TO HEAR FROM YOU.
IN CASES WHERE THERE IS OPPOSITION, UH, PER OUR RULES, THE APPLICANT GETS A TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL.
AND WITH THAT, UH, COMMISSIONERS,
[BRIEFINGS (PART 2 OF 2)]
WE'RE GONNA HEAD BACK TO THE BRIEFING.UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE THREE MORE CASES THAT WE HAVE TO BRIEF AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN AT THE TOP OF THE DOCKET.
WE'RE ON FINISHING UP BRIEFING ON CASE NUMBER 10, AND WE HAD A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. PEPE, UM, WHERE AM I? OH, THERE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE AT
UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT, UH, OF JANUARY NINE DURING THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP FOOTBALL GAME, WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING ON THIS CASE? I WAS PROBABLY WATCHING THE GAME.
AND SO I WELL, I I AM AWARE NOW.
UH, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU THAT, AND ARE YOU AWARE THAT AT THAT MEETING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS PRESENTED WITH THE CONCEPT OF THE PD WITH THE ONE ADDITIONAL USE RATHER THAN STRAIGHT ZONING? IN OTHER WORDS, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I AM AWARE.
AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT WAS FAVORABLY RECEIVED? YES.
AND WHEN WE NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT OF THE RECOMMENDATION FOR N MS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S, THEY INFORMED US THE SAME.
AND YOU'RE AWARE THAT IN THE INTERVENING MONTHS SINCE THAT MEETING, NOTHING HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT A CHANGE IN APPROACH ON THE ZONING I AM NOW, YES.
AND THEN, UM, WHAT THE, ON THE SUBJECT OF PARKING AND HOW, UH, TO ADDRESS PARKING AT THIS USE, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE DISTRICT HAS GONE ON RECORD THAT THEY BELIEVE THAT THEIR PARKING IS NEEDED FOR THEIR STUDENTS? UM, AND THAT THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, UH, BIG SURGES OF PARKING DEMAND, UH, BASED ON TIME OF DAY, DAY OF WEEK, AND THAT, UM, UM, PART OF THEIR AGREEMENT TO ALLOW THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT TO USE THIS LAND WAS THAT, UM, THE, UH, PARKLAND CLINIC WOULD PROVIDE ITS OWN PARKING.
WERE YOU AWARE OF THAT WHILE THE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN, WHILE THE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN APPLICANT AND, UM, PROPERTY OWNER? NOT PARTIC OF PARTICULAR CONCERN HERE.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT I DO THINK THAT ZERO PARKING MINIMUM OF ZERO VERSUS A SMALL PARKING MINIMUM ARE EASIER TO T TO TABULATE WHEN YOU GET TO, UM, BUILDING AND BUILDING INSPECTION AND THEY HAVE TO, UM, COUNT, OH, DOES THIS SIDE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO SHARE WITH THIS ONE? WELL, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY EASIER TO, TO DO THAT CALCULATION WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THE REQUIREMENT IS ZERO.
UM, AND I DO THINK THAT IT WILL, IT CAN ENCOURAGE AND ENABLE THAT POSSIBILITY AS THEY DO SHARE A LOT, UM, BETTER THAN, BETTER THAN EVEN A SMALL REQUIREMENT.
UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT.
UH, BEYOND THAT, THEY MAY PROVE IF WE APPROVE A ZERO, UM, A MINIMUM OF ZERO, THEY MAY STILL PROVIDE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN FIT.
AND THEN MY, MY LAST QUESTION, ARE YOU AWARE THAT, UM, THERE IS SOME SIGNIFICANT FUNDING THAT FOR THIS CLINIC THAT SORT OF HANGS IN THE BALANCE, UM, AT THE MOMENT, UM, AND THAT, UM, WE NEED TO PROCESS THIS CASE TODAY IN ORDER FOR THAT FUNDING TO BE AVAILABLE TO BUILD THIS CLINIC? I'M, I'M NOT AWARE THE FUNDING AND AGREEMENTS LIKE THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW, BUT AT THE SAME RATE, UM, WE HAVE ADVERTISED THIS CASE AS N SS A AS A POTENTIAL, UM, ALTERNATIVE.
SO IT SHOULD NOT SLOW DOWN THE, UH, THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CASE BECAUSE WE'LL ADVERTISE IT AS N S A AND PD.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T NEED A REIFICATION, JUST IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
MS. DEPI, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ON THE SETBACK AND JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION BY THE APPLICANT OF HOW THE BUILDING WAS CITED ON THE LOT.
UM, WHILE I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF, I GUESS, PARKING BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND STREETS PREVALENT IN
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THE AREA, WAS THAT ANYTHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED OR DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT? PRIMARILY WE FOCUSED ON, UM, WE, WE FOCUSED ON N S A BEING THE, UH, THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR THIS KIND OF USE FOR THIS SORT OF LOT.UM, BEYOND THAT, THE, IF THEY ARE TO STICK TO THE STANDARDS OF R ONE HALF ACRE AS THEY HAVE REQUESTED, UM, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OTHER SITE PLANS THAT CAN BE DRAWN IN A 40, FRONT 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK, PARKING REQUIRED 200 PER, UH, 200 PER, OR ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE UNDER THE REGIME THE CONDITIONS PROPOSED, UH, BY THE APPLICANT THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY OTHER SITE PLANS THAT, THAT ARE FEASIBLE.
AND JUST ONE FOLLOW UP QUESTION, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I OVERLOOKED THIS.
IN THE CONDITIONS USING THE R 0.5 AS A BASE, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
IS THAT ANYTHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CONDITIONS BASED ON THE CURRENT SITE PLAN? THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, THEIR, THEIR FRONT SETBACK REMAINS 40% AND THEN IT REMAIN, IT DOES REMAIN SILENCE ON, ON THE SECTION OF CODE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN A, IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
UH, WE CAN LOOK AT THE INTERPRETATION OF WHETHER THAT IS, IS TO APPLY, BUT THAT WE, THE, UH, PD IS SILENT ON THE FRONT SETBACK PARKING, RESIDENTIAL.
AM I CORRECT THAT IF WE GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF N S A, THERE'LL BE A 15 FOOT FRONT SETBACK INSTEAD OF YOUR PREFERRED FIVE BUTTON WAS STUCK.
WHAT, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THE 15 FOOT FRONT? UM, THAT'S FROM YOUR YARD LOT.
OH, UNDER THE N S A RIGHT? UNDER THE N S A? THAT'S CORRECT.
LIKEWISE, IF WE GO WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF N SS A INSTEAD OF NO PARKING REQUIREMENT, THERE'LL BE A ONE TO 200 PARKING REQUIREMENT.
THAT'S TRUE, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE TRADE-OFFS IN, IN ANY SITUATION.
UM, THERE ARE BENEFITS BEYOND THOSE THINGS IN THE BASE ZONE, IN THE GENERAL ZONING DISTRICT OF N S A, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR OTHER, UH, DIVERSE USES, UH, THE EASIER, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE, EXCUSE ME, ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS INVOLVED.
I THINK THAT YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THOSE WILL APPLY IN THE GENERAL ZONING CATEGORY.
UH, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE TRADE OFFS WHEN YOU'RE WORKING AT A PD.
IF THIS PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED UNDER THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH A NEW BUILDING, THOSE OTHER DIVERSE USES WOULD BE A, A BUILDING GENERATION AWAY, WOULD THEY NOT? IN OTHER WORDS, THIS SITE WILL, WILL USE UP THE SPACE FOR A MEDICAL CLINIC AND IF A CONVENIENCE STORE OR A DOGGY DAYCARE OR WHATEVER ELSE IS ALLOWED IN N S A IS GONNA COME ALONG, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME ALONG ONLY WHEN THE HOSPITAL DISTRICT VACATES THE SPACE.
UH, WELL, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUILD THIS SITE PLAN UNDER AN N SS A, THEY COULD BUILD A DIFFERENT SITE PLAN POTENTIALLY WITH, UH, MORE SPACE.
AND I AM ALSO IN THE INTEREST OF, OF MAKING PLANS AND ZONING DISTRICTS FOR 20, 30, 40 YEARS IF, IF IT'S FEASIBLE.
BUT THE, THE REALISTIC LIKELIHOOD THAT THE DALLAS COUNTY HOSPITAL DISTRICT WOULD BUILD IN 2023 OR FOUR, SOMETHING OTHER THAN THIS PROPOSED MEDICAL CLINIC, I'LL PROBABLY PUT IT PRETTY SMALL.
WOULDN'T YOU AGREE? I CAN'T, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT, BUT SO THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT GET INTO THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUSINESS IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US.
I THINK THAT INCENTIVIZING, INCENTIVIZING DIVERSE USES IS GOOD WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
AND THAT BEYOND JUST USES, THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS, UM, IN THAT N SS A VERSUS PD TRADE OFF.
MR. PEPE, CAN YOU PULL UP THE, UM, THE ASKS THAT YOU ASKED OF THE APPLICANT? I BELIEVE IT'S RIGHT BEFORE THIS STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, THAT ONE? YES.
SO THIS IS A MOMENT OF EDUCATION FOR ME.
I, I SPOKE ABOUT A DE THE, UH, DETENTION PONDS.
I NOTICED THERE'S ONE IN THE SITE PLAN.
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CAN WE ASK FOR THINGS LIKE PLANNING AROUND THE BANKS ROCK WORKS FOUNTAINS IN REGARDS TO THE DE DETENTION POND IN THESE SITUATIONS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF OUR LANDSCAPING CODE, WHICH IS WITHIN THE MEANS OF MODIFICATION THROUGH A PD.SO ANYONE INTERESTED COULD PROPOSE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN REGARDS TO, TO THOSE SORTS OF PLANTINGS.
UH, AS IT STANDS, THE PD DEFAULTS TO ARTICLE 10 LANDSCAPING.
SO THEY ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED THE BASE ARTICLE 10 THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, THAT SAID, IF YOU ARE IN A PD, YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADD CONDITIONS SUCH AS WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER CARPENTER.
MR. PEPE, IF THIS IS APPROVED AS A PD, WOULD THAT BE, THE APPROVAL WILL BE SUBJECT TO A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS? A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN? YES, BUT OUR RECOMMEND, OUR OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION IS, IS, IS NOT THAT, BUT WE DO RECOMMEND, UM, THE ALTERATIONS THAT OUR ENGINEERING, UH, FOLKS PUT FORWARD.
SO IT WOULD BE A REVISED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
ANY COMMISSIONER STANNER? I JUST WANNA CONFIRM SOMETHING.
SO UNDER THE PD ASK, IT WAS 25% LOT COVERAGE AND UNDER THE STAFF'S REP RECOMMENDATION OF THE N SS A, IT'S 40%, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU'RE ASKING THE LOT COVERAGE UNDER THE TWO DISTRICTS? IT'S 25 FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN R ONE HALF ACRE AND THEY DID NOT MODIFY THAT IN THE PD TEXT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.
UH, COMMISSIONERS WE'LL GO BACK TO CASE NUMBER SEVEN, MS. MUNOZ THERE.
THIS ONE I THINK HAS BEEN BRIEF AND IN FACT HEARD.
ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THIS ONE? IT'S A Z 2 1 2 3 48.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE EARLIER ISSUES THAT I WAS FACING.
UM, NO, THERE ARE NO UPDATES TO THIS REQUEST.
COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER, YOUNG QUESTIONS? UH, YES.
UH, LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTO, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE EXISTING BUILDING HAS A VERY HIGH LOT COVERAGE.
AND DO YOU SEE ANY WAY THE EXISTING BUILDING, IF ZONED MULTI-FAMILY COULD PROVIDE THE PARKING NECESSARY FOR A NINE UNIT MULTIFAMILY USE? I DO NOT.
AND THAT IS PART OF THE BASIS FOR MY RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
I KNOW I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE WHEN WE BRIEFED IT, BUT I'M ASKING IT AGAIN AND IT'S SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S, BUT ON A DIFFERENT ONE.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD BE, I, I UNDERSTAND IT HAS NINE INDIVIDUAL UNITS WITH KITCHENETTES OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT.
IS THERE ANY WAY IT CAN BE CONVERTED WHERE IT COULD BE MODIFIED TO BE CONSIDERED A GROUP HOME WITH NINE PEOPLE LIVING THERE? IT CANNOT BE A GROUP HOME BECAUSE IT IS NOT PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT, THE EXISTING DISTRICT.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A HANDICAPPED RESIDENTIAL.
AND IN THAT CASE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE COULD BE MODIFIED TO MEET CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH.
SO I HAVE DIRECTED THE APPLICANT IF THAT IS THE OPTION THEY ARE CONSIDERING TO SPEAK TO BOTH CODE COMPLIANCE AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT NUMBER ONE FLAG THEM FOR NON-COMPLIANCE IN THE DISTRICT THAT EXISTS.
AND NUMBER TWO CAN PROPERLY TELL THEM WHETHER OR WHAT AMENDMENTS NEED TO BE MADE AND THEN WHAT CODES WOULD APPLY FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION OF ANY, UH, ALTERATIONS
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TO THE STRUCTURE AS IT EXISTS.SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE A GROUP HOME SHOULD PROVIDE ROOM AND BOARD MEANING FOOD TOO, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOOD? NO.
UM, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE SAYING HAD TO BE MODIFIED OTHER THAN PHYSICALLY MAKING IT LIKE ONE IN A ENTITY WITH NINE ROOMS? SO THERE ARE MULTIPLE LAND USES THAT THIS COULD BE CONSIDERED.
IF YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT A HANDICAPPED GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLACE THAT DOES NOT HAVE INDIVIDUAL UNITS.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE NINE DIFFERENT BEDROOMS THAT SHARE A KITCHEN.
AND MAYBE, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ENTRIES, BUT CURRENTLY THESE ARE NINE SEPARATE UNITS, RIGHT? WITH THEIR OWN KITCHENS AND THEIR OWN PRIVATE ENTRIES ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MAJOR ISSUES.
SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY EASY WAY FOR THAT TO BE MODIFIED? I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE A MOTEL WITH TINY LITTLE ROOMS WITH KITCHENETTES AND YOU DON'T SEE ANY WAY IT COULD BE MODIFIED TO BE NINE BEDROOMS WITH THE SHARED KITCHEN.
NO, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.
I'M SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET WITH THE PROPER DEPARTMENTS.
TO DISCUSS THE BUILDING CODES IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY WHAT EXISTING IN THE STRUCTURE AND WHAT AMENDMENTS NEED TO BE MADE ALTERATIONS TO THAT STRUCTURE TO MEET THE CODE.
ONE, ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION THAT MAKES SENSE.
MY LAST QUESTION IS, DO YOU KNOW OF ANY VETERANS GROUP HOMES IN THE DALLAS AREA WHERE A GROUP OF VETERANS LIVE TOGETHER UNDER THE AUSPICES OF A GROUP HOME? I HAVE NEVER RESEARCHED ONE, SO NO.
UM, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE R P S REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE IF THIS WERE AN MF ZONED PROPERTY? IT WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING TALLER THAN 26 FEET BECAUSE R P S WOULD APPLY FROM ALL DIRECTIONS INTO THIS AND IT'S FAR TOO NARROW TO EVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING TALLER THAN THE THE MAXIMUM FOR, UM, THE DISTRICT BEFORE R P S.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE SAYING EVEN IF THE ZONING WERE CHANGED, THERE'S REALLY NO WAY THAT THIS WOULD BE ANY HIGHER THAN A SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ACTUALLY ALLOWS BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO SINGLE FAMILY, THE LOT JUST ISN'T BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE ANY EXTRA HEIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.
UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO ASK, UM, WOULD NOT A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY BE ALLOWED UNDER MF ZONING? NOT A HANDICAP, BUT JUST YES.
A GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY WOULD BE PERMITTED IN MULTIFAMILY ZONING, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE REQUESTING A MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT.
AND IF THEY OPERATED AS THAT USE UNDER MF ZONING, ARE THERE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MET OR WOULD THEY BASICALLY BE OPERATING AS A MULTI-FAMILY PROPERTY? LIKE WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DEFINES A GROUP RESIDENTIAL USE UNDER THAT ZONING CATEGORY? OKAY, JUST ONE MOMENT.
WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING, I'M CURIOUS ALSO WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENT UNDER THAT USE WOULD BE? COMMISSIONER POPKIN, I HAVE THAT UP IN FRONT OF ME.
IT'S A QUARTER OF A SPACE PER BED PLUS ONE SPACE PER 200 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AREA WITH A MINIMUM OF FOUR SPACES.
AND SO AT A QUARTER SPACE PER BED, UM, IS THERE A, I I, I BELIEVE THERE'S A MAXIMUM NUMBER OF UNITS LIMITED BY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR WAS THAT HANDICAP GROUP GROUP RESIDENTIAL? I KNOW I GAVE YOU ALL OF THE ITERATIONS AND I DO NOT WANNA SPEAK OUT OF LINE, SO THAT'S WHY I'D RATHER PULL IT UP IN FRONT OF ME BEFORE I TELL YOU AGAIN.
I KNOW WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS OF DELVING THROUGH ALL THE DATA AND ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.
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YEAH, THE HANDICAP GROUP DWELLING UNIT WOULD REQUIRE SOLELY TWO PARKING SPACES WHERE THE GROUP RESIDENTIAL REQUIRES THE POINT 25 AS, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED BY COMMISSIONER YOUNG ALONG WITH THE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR OFFICE SPACE, WHICH I'VE NEVER SEEN A SITE PLAN FOR THIS SINCE IT'S A GENERAL ZONE CHANGE.THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT WE DISCUSSED WAS I'M NOT AWARE OF WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANY OFFICE SPACE THERE.
AND WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO DEEDED RESTRICT U USES ON A MULTIFAMILY ZONED PROPERTY? OF COURSE, IF THE APPLICANT SO CHOOSES TO DO SO.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO PUT FORTH THE OFFER TO DEEDED RESTRICT, IT COULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, DEEDED RESTRICTED TO ONLY GROUP RESIDENTIAL FACILITY AND NOT USED AS MARKET RATE HOUSING IN THE FUTURE.
IT CERTAINLY RESTRICT ANY MULTI-FAMILY IF THEY CHOSE TO.
THAT CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COMMISSIONERS.
WE HAVE ONE MORE CASE TO BRIEF THAT WOULD, THAT'S CASE NUMBER EIGHT.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE MY PRESENTATION? NOT YET.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE ISSUE IS, BUT LET ME KNOW AS SOON AS YOU CAN SEE IT.
SO THIS REQUEST IS Z 2 1 23 53 AND IT'S FOR A NEW SUBDISTRICT FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT ON PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY WITHIN SUBDISTRICT, ONE OF PD 6 21, THE OLD TRINITY AND DESIGN DISTRICT SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT.
THE AREA OF REQUEST IS ALMOST FOUR AND A HALF ACRES.
THEY'RE AMENDING PROVISIONS TO ALLOW FOR HEIGHT BONUSES, A REDUCTION IN PARKING RATIO FOR AN OFFICE USE AND OVERALL REDUCTION IN SITE TREES.
AND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAN WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY ALLOWS.
WHEN RESIDENTIAL USES ARE PROVIDED, THEY ARE OFFERING A MIXED INCOME HOUSING BONUS OF 5% AT UM, AN A M F I OF 81 TO 100 AND ONLY FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT, WHICH ALSO HAS THE ADDITIONAL HEIGHT BONUS PROVIDED FOR THAT SUBDISTRICT.
THE PROPERTY AGAIN IS IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT.
IT'S LOCATED BETWEEN IRVING BOULEVARD AND MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD NORTHWEST OF
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OAKLAWN AVENUE.AND HERE'S AN AERIAL MAP SHOWING YOU THE DEVELOPED NATURE OF THE SITE.
OF COURSE DESIGN, DISTRICT OF LOTS OF WAREHOUSE USES THAT WERE ALL ORIGINALLY FROM, I'D SAY THE FIFTIES OR SO.
AND THESE ONES, UM, ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT THEY'RE FROM ABOUT THE 1950S AND INCLUDE A TOTAL OF ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN WHAT IS PRIMARILY USED AS OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES.
AND THERE IS ALSO A VACANT ANIMAL SHELTER OR CLINIC USE, WHICH HAD A CO FROM A FEW YEARS BACK AS WELL.
UM, THERE ARE SEVERAL SURROUNDING LAND USES, INCLUDING PERSONAL SERVICE, RESTAURANT OFFICE AND FINANCIAL INSTITUTION WITH DRIVE THROUGH TO THE NORTHWEST AND THEN TO THE NORTH ACROSS MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD, WE DO HAVE MULTIFAMILY, GENERAL MERCHANDISER, FOOD STORE, MEDICAL CLINIC, AND MORE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES THE EAST YOU SEE AN INDUSTRIAL USE.
AND THEN OTHER PERSONAL SERVICE, GENERAL MERCHANDISE AND FOOD STORE, FUELING STATION, RESTAURANTS, BAR LOUNGES AS WELL AS TO THE SOUTHWEST WHERE WE HAVE MORE OF THE SAME PERSONAL SERVICE OFFICE.
OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES.
HERE IS A VIEW OF THE SITE WE'RE LOOKING NORTHWEST ON IRVING BOULEVARD, WHICH FRONTS THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH.
AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION THAT'S LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST ADJACENT RESTAURANTS.
THERE'S SOME, THERE'S THE, THE STRAND TRAIL IS LOCATED HERE WITH A MASSIVE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AND ACCESS TO THAT TRAIL CAN BE REACHED EASILY, UM, MORE SO THROUGH MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD FROM THIS SITE, BUT IT COULD BE REACHED FROM EITHER STREET, BOTH IRVING AND MARKET CENTER.
THERE'S THAT MULTIFAMILY LOCATED NORTH FROM TURTLE CREEK BOULEVARD ALONG THE STRAND.
AND THEN MORE OF THAT BANK AND OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED TO THE NORTHWEST.
AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE SITE AND SOME OF THOSE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST WITHIN THESE FACILITIES THAT WERE ALL BUILT AROUND THE 1950S.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS NORTHEAST ON MARKET CENTER BOULEVARD, OTHER RETAIL OR OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE USES AND THEN THAT FEELING STATION TO THE SOUTHEAST ACROSS OAKLAWN AVENUE OR RESTAURANTS AND RETAIL USES.
PERSONAL SERVICE AND OFFICE SHERMAN WAREHOUSE.
AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING SOUTHEAST ON IRVING BOULEVARD, JUST SOUTHWEST OF THE SITE WHERE WE ALSO SEE SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION OCCURRING ALL ACROSS THERE BEING REDEVELOPED OR MAYBE RENOVATED.
AND THIS IS JUST THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT COMES INTO A PARKING STRUCTURE FOR THE ADJACENT LAND USES.
AND THAT'S LOOKING ONTO THE SITE ITSELF.
AND THEN ACROSS THE STREET SOUTHWEST ON IRVING.
AGAIN, THIS IS THE OFFICE SHOWROOM WAREHOUSE STRUCTURES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST ON THE PROPERTY.
AND HERE IS A SNAPSHOT OF THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS FULLY DESCRIBED IN THE DOCKET MATERIALS.
THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN THE MIX OF USES THEY WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT ONE LAND USES.
IN TOTALITY, STAFF DISAGREES AND BELIEVES THAT SOME OF THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT ONE LAND USES AREN'T ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY THE AREA PLANS.
WE'D LIKE TO SEE A REDUCTION IN ALL INDUSTRIAL USES OR SURFACE PARKING RELATED.
UM, STYLE USES THAT INCREASE THE TOTAL IMPERVIOUS LOT COVERAGE OR NOT LOT COVERAGE BUT LOT.
UM, I GUESS PAVING IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID AND TO INCREASE THE GREEN SPACES.
ACCORDING TO THE AREA PLANS, AGAIN, THEY ARE RECOMMENDING TO PROVIDE A 5% MIXED INCOME HOUSING AT 81 TO 100 AND THAT WOULD INCREASE THEIR HEIGHT FROM THE EXISTING 130 FEET UP TO 185 FEET FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT AS DEFINED IN THE CODE THAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED.
DOES NOT INCLUDE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT COULD BUT DOES NOT REQUIRE ONE.
SO IN THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT ONE THEY CAN INCREASE THE HEIGHT TO 150 FEET AND INCREASE THE F A R BY HALF A POINT IF A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS INCLUDED IN THE MIXED USE PROJECT.
HOWEVER, THEY HAVE NOT INCLUDED THAT ELEMENT AS BEING A PART OF THE REQUIREMENT WHILE INCREASING THE OVERALL BONUSES BEING PROVIDED TO THEM.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, THEY ARE PROVIDING 20 FEET FOR MECHANICALS.
SO THE OVERALL HEIGHT IS OVER 200 FEET.
THEY ARE PROPOSING WITH THIS 5,500, I'M SORRY, 55 FOOT
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PLUS 20 FOOT FOR MECHANICALS TO PROVIDE STREET LEVEL USES AND PARKING STRUCTURE CONCEALMENT.SO SOME ACTIVE USES, WRAPPING THAT PARKING STRUCTURE, UH, PEDESTRIAN AMENITIES, ELECTRIC, ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS, OPEN SPACE AND MIXED INCOME HOUSING AS NOTED EARLIER.
AND THEN SOME MORE OF THE, UM, VARIATIONS THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED ARE AN A REDUCTION IN THE SITE TREES AND UH, REDUCTION IN PARKING FOR OFFICE USES.
AND THEN AN INCREASE IN THE ALLOWABLE SIGNS TO ALLOW ONE 1200 SQUARE FOOT ROOFTOP SIGN, WHICH IS PRETTY COMMON IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL CASES, SEVERAL SUB-DISTRICTS EITHER ATTEMPTED OR CREATED.
IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOFTOP SIGNS.
UM, IT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS SPEAKS TO THE DISTRICT.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY THEY'RE REQUESTING TO DEFINE AN ENTRYWAY PORTAL SIGN.
HERE IS THEIR PROPOSED CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWING THE PERMITTED BUILDING AREAS AND THE TOTAL F A R OF 4.0.
PROPOSED USES ARE NOTED HERE WITH RESTAURANT RETAIL OR PERSONAL SERVICE USES HAVING A MINIMUM OF 15,000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, A FLOOR AREA LOCATED AT THE STREET LEVEL.
UM, EXHIBIT B, WHICH IS THE OVERALL SUBDISTRICT MAP CREATED BY OUR STAFF IN THE G I S DEPARTMENT.
THEY WILL UPDATE THIS IF IT IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL TO PROVIDE THE CARVE OUT FOR THE EXISTING SUBDISTRICT AS PROPOSED TO BE LIKELY SUBDISTRICT ONE K.
AND THEN FOR CONSISTENCY REVIEW, STAFF DID LOOK AT THE MULTITUDE OF AREA PLANS THAT APPLY TO THIS SITE AND MANY OF THEM SPEAK TO MAKING THIS A WALKABLE MIXED ADAPTIVE REUSE SORTS OF UM, SITE AND ENCOURAGE THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
HOWEVER, THEY ALSO SPEAK TO THE PAVED NATURE AND THE EXISTING PARKING THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN DISTRICT AND HOW IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO COMPLY WITH LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE IF YOU ARE DOING AN ADAPTIVE REUSE OF THIS SITES.
BUT WITH A TOTAL KNOCKDOWN AND SCRAPE OF THE SITE STAFF FEELS THAT IS MOST APPROPRIATE TO, UM, COMPLY WITH THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE OVERALL.
AND ALSO STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROJECTING THE BEST, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE AREA PLANS, WHICH ALL SPEAK TO HAVING MIXED USE.
THE PROPER MIXED USE IS NOT DONE IF IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
THOSE AREA PLANS RECOMMEND ANYWHERE FROM 25% TO 75% RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT TO BE INCLUDED IN A MIXED USE PROJECT FOR THIS SITE.
AND SO STAFF FEELS THAT WITH THE ADDITIONAL BENEFITS GRANTED FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT ONE, I'M SORRY, THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS GRANTED BY A SPECIAL PROJECT THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL BENEFIT OF MIXED INCOME HOUSING AND IT SHOULD BE GUARANTEED BY INCLUDING A FULL MIXED USE PROJECT AS AS DEFINED IN ALL OF THE AREA PLANS WHICH SPEAK TO HAVING A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AS A PRIORITY AND THE UNDERLINING ZONING OF BOTH PD 6 21 AND MIXED USE DISTRICTS IN NATURE.
A FOUND IN CHAPTER 51 A, WHICH ALL SPEAK TO INCENTIVIZING A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT INCLUDES A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.
ALL THE VARIATIONS IN HEIGHT AND F A R AND DWELLING UNIT DENSITY ALWAYS ARE INCREASED AS YOU INCREASE OR INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS FOR THESE PROJECTS.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT IS THE VITALITY OF A MIXED USE PROJECT.
THAT IS THE, THE WAY THAT THEY ARE BEST ADAPTED AND USED IS FOR THEM TO HAVE THE PEOPLE THERE TO USE AND TO WORK ON THE SITE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT SPEAKS VOLUMES TO STAFF AND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE IT AS A REQUIRED ELEMENT.
AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE REDUCTION GOES, I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT WHILE THE CONDITION WAS UPDATED IN THE DOCKET AND HIGHLIGHTED IN THIS BLUISH GREENISH COLOR, I DID NOT SPEAK TO THAT SECTION OF MY REPORT.
SO I'D LIKE TO JUST STATE THAT THEY WILL NO LONGER HAVE THE PROVISION THAT CLEARLY STATES THAT UP TO 50% OF THE TREES CAN BE REDUCED IF THE REMAINING TREES ARE LARGER IN CALIPER INCHES.
THIS MEANS THAT THE FOUR ACRE SITE COULD HAVE A MINIMUM OF 19 TREES.
THEY ARE NOW REQUIRING THAT THEY COULD ONLY BE REDUCED TO 25 TREES, HOWEVER, THEY'RE NOT MODIFYING THE OVERALL CALIBER
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INCHES.AND ULTIMATELY THEY HAVE ALSO REMOVED THE PROVISION WHICH STATES THAT THE DIRECTOR COULD MAKE THE CALL FOR THE NUMBER OF