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THANK

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YOU VERY MUCH, IAN.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONER.

TODAY IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 20, FIRST'S 9:05 AM WELCOME, CONCLUDE THE BRIEFING FROM DALLAS POINT COMMISSION.

AS ALWAYS, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JUST THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS.

STAFF, UH, WE'LL KEEP ALL THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS BEFORE SHOOT THIS AFTERNOON AT 1230, UH, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A SPECIAL BRIEFING THAT MAYBE WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT BACK A LITTLE BIT.

UH, WE THOUGHT WE'D BEGIN THE, THE MORNING WITH THE, UH, THE DAYCARE PIECE, BUT WE'RE GONNA START WITH MISCELLANEOUS AND THAT WE HAVE SOME MOVING PARTS TODAY.

SO WE'LL START WITH, UH, MS. BLUE DONNA.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

DONNA SIX.

AND IT IS A REQUEST FOR A MINOR AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING S U P SET PLAN, AN EXISTING S U P LANDSCAPE PLAN AND AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IT'S IN PD 1 73, TRACK DEATH.

IT'S S U P 1505, AND IT'S 4.409 ACRES IN COUNCIL DISTRICT 12.

IT'S LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF FRANKFORD ROAD IN CRUST ROAD AND FAR NORTH DALLAS.

AND THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING S U P CYCLING LANDSCAPE PLAN AND, UH, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PD 1 73 TO ALL BE IN CONCERT TOGETHER.

UH, THE, THEY ARE EXPANDING THE FOOTPRINT OF AN EXISTING MODULAR BUILDING, UH, AND SHOWING THE EXISTING REAR PARKING LOT AS IT IS CURRENTLY IN THAT LOCATION BECAUSE IT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED AS AN ADDITIONAL BUILDING.

HOWEVER, THAT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED.

HERE IS THE AREA, AND THIS IS THE AREA THAT IS BEING EXPANDED.

THIS IS THE, UH, MODULAR BUILDING THAT IS BEING EXPANDED IN THIS AREA.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW RIGHT HERE IS THE EXPANSION WITH THE SHOWING OF THE CURRENTLY EXISTING PARKING AREA.

AND THE LANDSCAPE PLAN CURRENTLY EXISTING DOES NOT.

THE LANDSCAPING ITSELF DOES NOT CHANGE.

HOWEVER, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HAS TO REFLECT THE DIFFERENT BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN THE PARKING LOT AS IT EXISTS SO THAT IT'S IN CONCEPT WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, WITH THE EXISTING, EXCUSE ME, WITH THE PROPOSED S U P SITE PLAN AND THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

SO THE, THE LANDSCAPING, THE REMAINS THE SAME.

AND THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE ENLARGEMENT REFLECTING OF THE PARKING LOT AS IT EXISTS.

UH, THE T AND P, UH, HAS, UH, BEEN AMEN TO JANE.

UH, WELL, IT'S, IT IS CURRENTLY ACCEPTABLE.

IT IS NO CHANGE, UM, TO THE LAYOUT OF THE T P AND ION

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IS YOUR HONOR.

MS QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, SO YOUR NEXT ITEM IS M 2 23 0 3 2.

AND THIS IS A REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM THE STREET FACING SHIP REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE KEY STREET AND GOULD STREET IN PD THREE 17, WHICH IS THE CEDAR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT, UM, WITHIN SUBDISTRICT TWO.

IT'S LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GOULD STREET AND THE KEY STREET, IT'S 2,500 SQUARE FEET, NOT 25,000 AS IT WAS REPORT, I HAD AN EXTRA ZERO THERE, AND IT'S IN COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO.

UH, THIS IS I THINK THE THIRD, UH, APPLICATION OR REQUEST THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN FOR THE RELIEF OF SPEED FACING, UM, FACADE FRONTAGE IN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

UH, IT IS JUST SOUTH OF DOWNTOWN AGAIN, IN, IN, UH, PD THREE 17, THE CEDAR SPECIAL CORPUS DISTRICT.

AND, UH, IT'S LOCATED, YOU CAN SEE HERE IS ROLLED STREET, UH OH, YOU CAN'T SEE.

AND MCKEES STREET, UM, UH, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS TO THE NORTH, IS UNDEVELOPED, TO THE NORTHEAST IS SINGLE FAMILY, UH, JUST TO THE NORTHWEST IS A BIG PARKING AREA.

AND BOTH TIMES THAT I HAD BEEN OUT THERE, THEY WERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF UNLOADING GOING ON, UM, IN THAT PARKING LOT ON 18 HILLS.

YOU'LL HAVE TO SEE IN SOME OF MY PICTURES COMING UP, UM, FOR ACCESS TO, I BELIEVE THESE, UM, THESE, UH, WAREHOUSES, THEY SPOKE UP HERE.

UM, THERE IS SINGLE FAMILY JUST TO THE WEST, SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTH.

AND, UM, THEN AS YOU CROSS ACKER, YOU'VE GOT MULTI-FAMILY AND, UM, WHICH SOME PARKING ON THERE JUST SOUTH OF THE CITY THERE.

SO WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO A LITTLE BIT BACK INTO, INSTEAD OF SHOWING YOU ALL OF THE SITE AREA FIRST, I'M GOING WALK YOU THROUGH THE PLAN THAT IS PROPOSED, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR.

AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO SOME OF THE SITE PICTURES SO YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR WHAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT.

SO THE RED IT, THE RED AREA, UH, THE RED LINES ARE THE ACTUAL PROPERTY LINES.

UM, THE GREEN AREA IS THE MINIMUM MAXIMUM, UH, FRONT YARD AREA THAT THE STREET THAT 70% OF THE STREET FACING FACADE IS TO BE IN, TO BE LOCATED IN.

UM, BUT THEN YOU SEE THE, UH, THE BLUE LIGHT BLUE TRANSPARENT TRIANGLE COMING ACROSS HERE.

THAT IS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT IS PREVENTING, UM, DEVELOPMENT OR ANY FACADE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

UH,

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YOU ALSO HAVE THE, UH, THE, THE TURQUOISE LINES OR THE SIDEWALKS, UH, AND COURSE THE, THIS IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE SINK INFRAS STRUCTURE.

SO TO, TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

UM, AGAIN, THE GREEN AREA IS THE AREA THAT THE FACADE IS REQUIRED TO BE IN.

UM, THE TODAY, THIS ISN'T THE NORTH, THE PLAIN NORTH, UH, IS A DRIVE INTO THE, THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.

AND SO IN TO A DEGREE O THAT, UM, THE SUMMARY OF THE REQUEST IS THE STREET FACING THE SOD FRONTAGE OF DESTRUCTION IS REQUIRED TO BE WITHIN A MINIMUM FIVE FEET AND MAXIMUM EIGHT FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR 70% OF THE LOT WOOD.

UM, THAT, THAT AREA THAT WE WERE TA THAT I'M TA SPEAKING TO NOW, WAS WHAT WAS SHOWN IN GREEN ON THE SITE.

UM, AND AS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN, GOUL STREET, HE IS MAKE, UH, IS ONLY ABLE TO, UM, ACQUIRE 38% OF THE STREET FACING FACADE TO BE LOCATED WITH THEM, OR 19 FEET OF THE 50 FOOT LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY.

MCKEE STREET IS PROPOSING 68% OR 34 FEET OF 55TH, UH, PROPERTY LINE WITH WIDTH OF PROPERTY LINE.

THE SITE CONSTRAINTS, AND WE'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE, UH, AT THE SITE PLAN AGAIN, REPEAT THIS, UM, THAT THE PSYCH CONSTRAINT OF THE 30 FOOT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE THAT WAS REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN, UM, IN TRANSPARENT BLUE, UH, AT THE INTERSECTION OF GOLD STREET AND MCKEES STREET, UH, 60 FEET OF THE 50 FOOT LENGTH FOR 32% OF THE LOT WIDTH IS WITHIN THAT VISIBILITY TRIANGLE ALONG BOTH RULE STREET AND THE KEY STREET.

AND THEREFORE THAT PREVENTS, UH, ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE PREVENTS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT, UH, TRIANGLE.

UM, WE, WHAT THE, THE ASK IS THAT, UH, CITY PLAN COMMISSION AND, UH, DEFENDANT PDS OF THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MAY APPROVE A SITE PLAN THAT DEVIATES FROM REQUIRED STREET DRAINAGE BY FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC NOTICE PROCEDURE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING AS A MINOR, AS MINE, AS PER MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

IF, AND THIS IS WHAT, UH, YOUR CRITERIA FOR MAKING THAT DETERMINATION OF EXCEPTION, UH, NUMBER ONE IS STRICT COMPLIANCE WITH STREET FRONTAGE OR, UH, STREET FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE IMPRACTICAL DUE TO SITE CONSTRAINTS OR WITH CONS WITH RESULT IN A SUBSTANTIAL HARDSHIP.

UH, THE VARIATE OR THE VARIATION OR EXCEPTION FOR THE STREET FOOTAGE REQUIREMENTS WILL NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.

AND THE SITE PLAN FURTHERS THE STATED PURPOSE WITHIN THIS, UH, SECTION.

AND THAT IS PURPOSE OF THIS SUBDISTRICT IS TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF MODERATE DENSITY OFFICE LODGING, RETAIL, AND RESIDENTIAL USES IN COMPATIBLE COMBINATIONS ALONG THE, ALONG THE MAIN STREET CORRIDORS THAT SERVE THE ARIES FOR SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT THAT SUPPORTS INCREASED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE USE OF THE COURAGE, THE PRESERVATION OF STRUCTURES WITHIN THE, WITH HISTORIC VALUE.

UM, THE, THIS IS NOT THIS AREA AND THE STREETS WITHIN MCKEE, UM, ARE NOT MAIN STREET CORRIDORS THROUGH, UH, THIS AREA.

SO TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROPERTY AND THE SITE, THE AREA SURROUNDING THIS IS LOOKING AT, UM, THE PROPERTY FROM THE CORNER OF, UH, GO.

AND THE KEY, AND IT AGAIN, THE PROPERTY DIMENSIONS ARE 50 BY 50, SO IT'S SQUARE FOOT, AS YOU CAN SEE, I AM STANDING LOOKING ACROSS, UH, ONTO THE PROPERTY.

AND TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PICTURE IS WHERE

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THE PARKING LOT, UM, WAS.

THERE IS, UH, AN 18 WHEEL WERE, THIS OCCURRED BOTH TIMES THAT I WAS OUT THERE UNLOADING, SO I WASN'T ABLE TO GET REALLY GOOD SHOTS OF ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, THIS IS STANDING LOOKING THE OTHER DIRECTION, UM, ONTO THE PROPERTY AND AGAIN, AND AT THE CORNER OF GOLDEN MCKEE AND LOOKING UP MCKEE STREET.

SO WE'VE GOT, UH, JUST TO THE LEFT OF WHERE THE CAR IS, THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT THERE AS WELL.

THAT'S ON THE SIDE, NOT ON THE SIDE.

IT'S ADJACENT BEHIND JUST, UH, WHAT'S TO THE LEFT OF THE SIGN ON, GO TO THE LEFT OF THE SITE.

ON THE POOL IS AT NEVER SINGLE, THE PARTMENT.

OKAY.

SO SINGLE FAMILY, THE SIDE AND THEN SINGLE FAMILY.

YES.

ON THE, AND IT'S VERY, IT IS A VERY COMPACT AREA.

UM, AGAIN, THIS IS LOOKING ACROSS TO THE, ACROSS THE KEY, UM, AS YOUR, THIS IS A KEY LOOKING TOWARDS THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS AT THE END OF THE, ON THE RIGHT AND OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF STREET.

THIS IS A CROSS STANDING ON THE PROPERTY LOOKING ACROSS GOUL OBJECTION.

AND AGAIN, UH, LOOKING AT ACROSS GOUL TO THE, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS CRITICAL SUBJECT TO THE SITE PLAN FOR MCKEES STREET AND GOLD STREET.

THAT IS THE RELIEF THAT YOU ALL ARE MAKING YOUR DECISION ON, NOT THE ENTIRE SITE PLAN, BUT THE LEAD BASED ON THE SITE PLAN TWO WITH E STREET AND WOODS STREET.

THANK YOU, MS. CAN WE GO BACK TO THE CATCH THAT, THAT QUESTION THAT WAS A QUESTION, MS. WOMAN, DID YOU GET A QUESTION? DID I DIDN'T, I'M SORRY.

OH, YOU DIDN'T, OKAY, MR. YOUNG, UM, AM I RIGHT THAT THE DRIVING FORCE NECESSITATING THIS AMENDMENT IS THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE? YES.

AND IN FACT, EVEN IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WERE TO SCRAP THE SITE AND TRY AND REBUILD IN COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE AND THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON MCKEE STREET, AT LEAST GEOMETRICALLY, THEY CAN'T DO ON, ON LEADERS.

WELL, THEY, THEY COULD SHORTEN THE, OR OR NARROW THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY IF THEY REBUILT, OR, OR, YES.

I MEAN, YES, BUT SHORT OF REBUILDING, THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD, WELL, THERE'S THE SITE IS, IS UNDEVELOPED, SO THEY ARE BUILDING, SO, SO THEY COULD CONCEIVABLY IF, UH, BUILD WIDER ON GO STREET AND UH, I GUESS THEY PROBABLY STILL COULDN'T COMPLY.

CORRECT, BECAUSE THEY, UM, THE MOST THAT THEY COULD GET ON, UM, MCKEE, WHICH IS, AND GOUL IS 68% AT MASS.

OKAY.

DUE TO THE VISIBILITY TRAINING.

AND DOES THIS SITUATION ARISE FREQUENTLY IN CS AREN'T, AREN'T THERE MANY OTHER SITUATIONS WHERE THIS MIGHT COME UP? I THINK THERE WILL BE, YES, BECAUSE IT IS, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL, UM, LOTS IN THERE THAT ARE READY FOR DEVELOPMENT, UM, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN, UH, THEY'RE UNBEL CURRENTLY.

SO I DO BELIEVE THAT WE'LL BE SEEING THESE, UM, MORE OFTEN.

AND WAS, WAS THIS JUST SOMETHING WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT WHEN WE DID RECEIVE THIS PDV? IT WAS, NO, WE DID THINK ABOUT IT.

UM, BUT WANTED TO HAVE THIS STREET FACING, UH, FRONTAGE REQUIREMENT FOR, UH, WALKABILITY THROUGH OH, SURE.

BUT CREATING, AND SO THAT IS WHY WE ADDED THE C P C ABILITY TO, UH, OKAY.

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GIVE RELIEF TO THE REQUIREMENT WE COULD HAVE IF, IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT CRAFTED AN EXCEPTION WHERE THE VISIBILITY TRIANGLE DOES NOT PERMIT COMPLIANCE, BUT INSTEAD WE WENT THE YES GENERIC AT THE TIME.

CORRECT.

WE, WE DID NOT ANTICIPATE, AND I THINK WE MAY BE SEEING THESE AGAIN.

UM, BUT THEN MANY OF THE LOTS ARE CON CONFIGURED DIFFERENTLY OR MAYBE LARGER.

WE MAY BE RELATED TO OTHER TYPES OF, UM, ISSUES WITH THEM.

SO, UH, IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL, WHICH IS WHY THE WAS, UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON COMMISSIONER YOUNG'S QUESTIONS.

SO THE PD FOR CEDARS, WE REALLY INTENDED, IT SEEMS LIKE FOR MULTI MIXED USE, BECAUSE IT LOOKS, YOU, YOU THIS, BECAUSE IN A NORMAL JUST SINGLE FAMILY ZONING, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DUE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FRONTAGE.

SO YOU CAN, UM, I'M JUST, THIS COMES FROM RESIDENTIAL.

THIS COMES FROM, UM, OUR TAKEOFF OF ARTICLE 13, WHICH IS OUR FORM DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND THAT HAVE, UH, MEN MAX FRONT YARD SETBACKS.

UH, SO WE TOOK THAT, UH, AND PUT IT INTO IT INTO PD THREE 17.

AND YES, TO YOUR QUESTION, IT IS A MIXED USE, UH, AREA.

IN FACT, IT ALLOWS, AND THAT'S THE INTENT OF ALL OF CEDARS, UM, TO MAKE IT MORE URBAN FOR STUFF.

I'M SORRY, TO MAKE IT MORE URBAN FOR STUFF.

YES.

YES.

SO IT DID RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED.

YES.

AND IT IS IN THAT SAME VEIN WITH THE MINMAX FRONTYARD SETBACKS IS INTENDED TO BRING THAT, UM, INTO THE, THE PUBLIC WELL, UH, FOR YOUR WALKABILITY AND YOUR, UM, ACCESSIBILITY IN THE AREA.

UM, BUT IT IS A VERY WIDE VARIETY OF, UM, TYPES OF USES THROUGHOUT THE AREA AND THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT SUBDISTRICTS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HER, UM, WAS THIS IN THANK YOU CHAIR WITH THE, UH, CHANGES TO THE SETBACK AND THE WILL IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO IMPEDE ON THE SIDEWALK IF THEY DO A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT REMAIN WALKABLE WITH THIS.

YES.

AND IN FACT, THIS AREA BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE, UH, TURQUOISE LINES IS THE, UH, IS THE SIX FOOT SIGN.

OKAY, PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONER? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH THIS MORNING.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE'LL GO ON TO OUR, UH, FIRST ZONING CASE COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME AT, I THINK ALL OF THE ZONING CASES HAVE COME OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG, THE CHEAT SUIT WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ALL PART .

UH, I KNOW FOR SURE NUMBER FIVE HAS COME OFF AND I BELIEVE NUMBER THREE, UH, WILL ALSO COME OFF CONSENT.

UH, SO WE'LL START THERE, MR. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS Z 2 22 77.

IT'S AN APPLICATION DURING TWO RENEWAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT 1817 FOR FIVE PRIVATE SCHOOL ENROLLMENT.

ENROLLMENT.

CHARTER SCHOOL ON ARE SEVEN FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICT ON THE NORTHLINE ROAD BETWEEN BLUE AND CHEYENNE ROAD.

IT'S 5.688 ACRES.

IT'S LOCATED, LOCATED NEAR THE CITY LIMIT, UH, TO THE EAST.

AND HERE'S THE AERIAL MAP.

IT'S COPY OF THE EXISTENCE TODAY AND THE ADJACENT, WHICH ARE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE NORTH, SINGLE FAMILY TO WEST SINGLE FAMILY CROSS ROUTE TO THE STAFF.

AND THE DISTINCT FAMILY

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DEVELOPED THAT BIGGER, UM, NOT, NOT EVEN FOR YOUR, BUT FOR THE 5.69 AREA REQUEST CONSIST OF TWO LOTS.

THERE IS A 1.85 ACRE SOUTHWESTERN LOT FRONT BURTON, WHICH IS CURRENTLY, UH, DEVELOPED WITH A, UH, 15,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND CONTAINS THE CHURCH, UM, AS WELL AS THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL.

A EXISTING SCHOOL CURRENTLY CONTAINS 15 CLASSROOMS PRE, PRE-KINDERGARTEN, PRE-KINDERGARTEN THROUGH SIXTH GRADE.

THE LOT ALSO CONTAINS TWO PORTABLE CLASSROOM BUILDINGS, UH, 1,552 SQUARE FEET AND 800 SQUARE FEET AREA.

THE 3.84 ACRE NORTH EASTERN LOT IS A FLAG LAWN HAS ACCESS FROM BURTON ROAD AND IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH PARKING LOT, INCLUDING ADDITIONAL PARKING FACILITIES FOR RESISTANCE FOR CHURCH.

AND THE S SUV WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN 2010, AND THAT WAS SERVED FIVE YEAR PERIOD WITH ELIGIBILITY FOR MONEY RENEWAL OVER THE FIVE YEAR PERIODS THEREAFTER.

AND THEN IN 2014, COUNSEL APPROVED AN AMENDMENT OF IT, UH, AGAIN FOR FIVE YEARS WITH, UH, ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RENEWAL.

AND AT THAT POINT, AND THEN IT CAME BACK FOR AMENDMENT THEREAFTER, UM, ON, ON FEBRUARY, 2020.

AND IT, IT WAS APPROVED IN THE CONDITIONS WITH 15 CLASSROOMS IN THE CONDITIONS.

ALTHOUGH THE SITE PLAN WAS SIMILAR TO THE, WE SEE TODAY WITH A ADDITIONAL BUILDING.

AND IN, IN THIS CASE, WE DO STILL SEE THAT, UM, NEW BUILDING IN THE SOUTHWEST OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.

UH, THEY, YOU NEED TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONS TO ALLOW THE ONLY THREE CODE C FOR, AND THERE'S THAT EXISTING ON PLANT.

UM, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THEIR EXPANSION IS PLANNED OR WAS PLANNED AND IT'S RIGHT HERE.

AND SO THE EXISTING OR THE PROPOSED IS QUITE SIMILAR, UM, EXPANSION IN THE SAME PLACE.

I BELIEVE THEY REARRANGED A COUPLE PARKING SPACES IN THEIR QUEUE AREA BEHIND.

THAT'S PRIMARILY IT.

AND THEN THEY UPDATED THEIR, THEIR TABLE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE 23 CLASSROOMS TOTAL, IT IS ACROSS TWO LOTS.

THE FACILITY TO CHARGE THE PARKING AND THE TOOLS ARE KIND OF ACROSS TWO LOTS.

SO BROKEN DOWN LIKE THAT, UH, EXISTING PROPOSED T M P THAT MODIFY THEIR T M P, THAT HAS ADDITIONAL ON ONSITE QING, UM, THAT IS, IS PROJECTED TO, UH, HANDLE THAT, THE QUEUING, UH, THEY'RE MOVING UP THE, THE QUEUE ON SITE, BUT IT ADDS ADDITIONAL CAPACITY, UH, BY DOING SO.

AND THOSE ARE THE PLANS.

SO LET'S, TO THE SITE THAT WE'RE ON BRUTON ROAD, AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? UM, SO BRUTON ROAD LOOKING NORTH, UH, AT KIND OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE SCHOOL FACILITY.

AND THEN I THINK WE'RE JUST ENTERING KIND OF ECHO THE QUEUE ON BRUTON CIRCLING AROUND.

IT'S THE FRONT OF THE FACILITY, UM, ON SITE BACK ON, UH, BRUTON LOOKING, THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE EAST THAT IS ACTUALLY, THAT'S ON SITE LOOKING WEST OF THE ADJACENT HOMES, LOOKING SOUTH ACROSS, UH, BRUTON AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL HOMES LOOKING AT SOUTHEAST DOWN IN VIRGINIA.

SO IT'S OUR CONDITIONS, UH, THAT UPDATED THEIR, THEIR TIME PERIOD OF APPROVAL.

UM, THEY WERE A LITTLE, UH, THEIR EARLY TO WHEN THEY WOULD'VE NEEDED TO COME IN FOR, UH, RENEWAL, BUT BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE AMENDMENT, IT'S A GOOD TIME TO RENEW AND AMEND AT THE SAME TIME.

UH, THEY UPDATED THEIR HOURS OF, OF OPERATION FROM SEVEN TO 5:00 PM SO FOUR 30 AND IT, IT ADDED SATURDAY.

UM, INGRESS EGRESS, UH, REMAINS.

UM, THE PREVIOUS ONE AT PARKING PROVIDED LOCATION CYCLING.

IT'S STILL REQUIRED TO BE, UM, PARKED IN THE SAME MANNER THROUGH OUR CODE.

UM, BUT THAT WILL GIVE HIM THE ABILITY TO MOVE SPACES AROUND TO NECESSARY, UM, WHILE STILL BEING HELD TO THE REQUIREMENT OF THE, THE BASE CODE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN COMMISSION REMAINS THE SAME.

UM, AND THEY DID, WE DID ADD

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A CONDITION OF MINOR INSULATION OF SIDEWALK, UM, WHERE THEY MAKE THE EXPANSION SINCE LEVEL WRITTEN.

ASSESSOR ION IS APPROVAL FOR THEORY OF ELIGIBILITY FOR AUTOMATIC RULES FOR ADDITIONAL FACTOR PERIODS THERE, CAFETERIA, SUBJECT TO MANAGEMENT PLANNING CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED.

YOUR HONOR, I QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER? UM, ARE THEY REALLY GOING TO HAVE SCHOOL ON SATURDAY? I, YEAH, I'M, I'M NOT SURE.

UM, THAT WAS IN THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY ORDERED.

I, I, I ASKED, I ASKED 'EM, UM, THEY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT, THAT FOR US, BUT THEY DID ADD IT INTO THAT HOURS.

HAVE YOU SEEN OTHERS RULES THAT HAVE OPEN HOURS LIKE THIS ON SATURDAYS? NO.

IT, IT MAY GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO SCHOOL RELATED ACTIVITIES ON, ON THE SATURDAY, UM, BEYOND THAT, BUT I PRESUME IT'S NOT FOR REGULAR, UM, SCHOOLING.

AND IF WE DON'T PAROLE, SO LET ME PULL BACK UP THE CONDITIONS PLEASE.

YOU GOT IT.

SO THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL MAY ONLY OPERATE BETWEEN SEVEN AND FIVE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

SO DOES THIS LANGUAGE MEAN THEY COULD JUST USE THE FIELDS? ANYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPEN ENROLLMENT CHARTER SCHOOL USE? OKAY.

I THINK THAT'LL SAVE MY ACCOUNT QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.

SEEING THAT ANSWER? THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER CARPENTER? NO.

COMMISSIONER HOUSEWIFE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, THIS ISN'T REALLY DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE CASE, BUT THIS IS A APPLICANT THAT USES THIS SITE FOR ONE PURPOSE, YET IT'S TWO SEPARATE PLA TRACKS.

WHAT, WHAT ARE THE RULES OR THE LAWS OR ORDINANCES? AND DO WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REPL INTO ONE TRACK OR IS THIS JUST, WE DON'T, WE'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A CONCERN TO US.

GOOD.

BECAUSE IT MAKES FOR SOME INTERESTING, UH, PARKING CALCULATIONS AND THINGS.

YOU, I, I GOT, I GOT, I THINK PART OF IT IS THEY'RE NOT GOING BUILDINGS ACROSS THE LOTS.

UM, THIS IS LIKELY HOW THEY'VE ACQUIRED THE LAND OVER TIME.

UM, AND I, BUT I WON'T SPEAK TO WHETHER WE ENCOURAGE THEM, DISCOURAGED THEM FROM PUTTING IT TOGETHER.

IN THIS CASE, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR FACILITIES ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT MM-HMM.

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UM, AND IF THEY NEED TO, IF THEY DO NEED TO PARK DOWN A ONCE PART TIME, UH, THEY'VE CHOSEN TO HAVE THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE, BETWEEN THE LAST.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THANKS.

UH, YEAH.

FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER, UM, HOUSE'S, QUESTIONS, DOES EACH LOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE USES OF THAT LOT? YES.

SO THAT'S, UH, I, I'M, I MAY NEED TO REFRESH IF THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS, UM, DO, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF NECESSARY, THEY AGREE BETWEEN THEM, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE, UM, SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE CHURCH USE AND THE SCHOOL USE, UM, BY HAVING NON, UH, NON SIMILAR HOURS.

THAT RULE ON THE ME, THERE'S A RULE OF PROHIBITS REMOTE PARKING FOR A NON-RESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

BUT IT YES, BUT THAT'S NOT APPLY TO INSTITUTIONAL, I BEG PARDON? IT DOES, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO INSTITUTIONAL USES SURE.

APPLIES TO CHURCHES.

LET ME REVIEW WHERE WE COVER CODE.

OKAY.

I WAS NOT AWARE YOU COULD REMOTE PARK A SCHOOL ON A REMOTE RESIDENTIAL DOCK.

I DON'T THINK IT'S REMOTE.

IT'S SHARED ACROSS THE LINE.

YES.

I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.

WELL, SO HENCE MY QUESTION.

DOES EACH LOT HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING FOR THE USES ON THAT LOT? I I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WITH, WITH ALLOWANCE FOR SHARED PARKING BETWEEN THE CHURCH AND SCHOOL THAT YEAH.

AND, AND THAT'S ON LOT ONE B.

THE LARGER, UH, LOT, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE DOING THE, THE SHARING THROUGH THE AGREEMENT OF, OF PARKING.

UH, WHEREAS THE OTHER LOT REQUIRES THE

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NORTHERN LOT A REQUIRES 28 SPACES AND IT INCLUDES ON THAT LOT 29TH BASIS.

OKAY.

SO, SO THE SHARING YOU THINK WITHOUT A REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENT, EACH LOT CAN PARK ITS USES WITH SHARON? THAT'S, THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT PARKING BETWEEN THE LOTS.

THEY'RE SHARING BETWEEN THE USES.

THANK YOU.

UHHUH.

YOU COMMISSIONER HONOR HARPER? I FORGOT.

NO.

UH, WILL THE TMP PLAN , UM, WILL THEY BE UP TO REVIEW THAT T M P PLAN ANNUALLY? LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER CHARTER DO GO BY LY.

OKAY.

LY PERFECT POSITIONS.

ARE THERE ANY, I SAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON MS. I, COMMISSIONER? YES.

YES.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD.

IT'S KIND OF FOLLOWING UP ON THIS, IT'S JUST KIND OF A CURIOSITY.

LET'S JUST SAY YOU DID HAVE TWO LOTS THAT SOMEONE OWNED THAT WERE NOT PLANTED TOGETHER.

COULD YOU HAVE AN ENTITY ON ONE AND THEY PARK ON THE ADJACENT ONE, BUT AS LONG AS NOTHING CROSSES OVER, THEY'RE DEALT WITH SEPARATELY? NO, UH, YOU CANNOT.

PARKING IS AN ACCESSORY USE AND HAS TO BE ON THE SAME LOT AS THE MAIN USE.

OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING HYPOTHETICAL THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO EVEN IF IT'S ADJACENT, IT'S CONSIDERED REMOTE.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THAT, YEAH, YOU GOT IT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JUDGE? MS. ISLAND? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WE'RE GONNA SKIP FORWARD TO YES, COMMISSIONER.

AYE.

OH, I NEVER, I'M SORRY.

UM, SO THERE WAS A TALKING TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AFTER THE MEETING, UM, MR. PERRY, THERE WAS A MAJOR CONCERN DURING THE ORIGINAL, UM, WHEN THIS, WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY, THIS SCHOOL WAS ORIGINALLY DONE, IT CAUSED SOME, UM, DRAINAGE, HEAT ISSUES INTO THE COMMUNITY, WHICH WAS CALLED IN FLOODING.

I KNOW COMMUNITY MEANS US.

UH, I GUESS ONE OF THE CITIZENS RAISED A CONCERN THAT, UM, ONCE ONE, SOMEONE MADE A BOAT ON A PROPERTY WHICH CAUSED FLOODING, I SPOKE WITH THAT PERSON.

THEY SAID THAT THEY DID THAT AFTER THE DRAINING ISSUE TO STOP THE FLOODING FROM HAPPENING AT THEIR PARTICULAR LOCATION.

SO IS THERE ANY, UM, THEY SAID THAT, THAT THEY WERE HAVING ATTENTION PLUG PUT IN.

HAVE, HAVE WE MADE SURE ENGINEERS LOOK TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WAS STOPPED DRAINING.

THAT'S COMING FROM THIS POOL.

DRAIN REVIEW IS NOT PART OF THE, THE ZONE, IT'S PART OF THE ENGINEERING CURRENT REVIEW.

SO, SO WE, THEY'RE GOING CONTINUE TO, UM, CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING ON THIS BUILDING OR MEAN ON THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S CAUSE FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER, OR WE COULDN'T, WE CAN'T TALK TO THE, THE ENGINEER TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS SOLVED BECAUSE IT, THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN DRAWBACK COMMUNITIES THAT, THAT THIS IS CAUSING FLOODING.

I, SORRY.

UM, I, YEAH, I I UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT PART OF THE, THE ZONING REVIEW.

IT'S, UH, IT'S REVIEWED BY ENGINEERING AND PERMITING, UH, AT THE BUILDING STAGE.

SO, SO WE ARE POSSIBLY, WE ARE POSSIBLE TO APPROVE A ZONING CASE AND IT'S GONNA BE A, A ISSUE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT THIS IS GONNA BE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE CAN'T CONSIDER IT IN A ZONING CASE BECAUSE I WOULD WANT, I MEAN, APPROVING SOMETHING THAT'S CAUSING HARM TO THE COMMUNITY SEEMS SHOULD BE, ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT ASKING AND, AND WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY SAW THE ORIGINAL, UM, SPEECH FROM THE, WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY FIRST GOT A U P, UH, COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER WILLER, THIS IS ANDREA.

I THINK FOR THE QUESTION, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE DRAINAGE, UH, UM, NOT, NOT AFFECTING THE LOGS AROUND IT PER THE DRAINAGE MANUAL AS A STAND OR DURING PERMITING.

THE RULING IS THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, SPILL WATER OUT OF THEIR LOT AT ALL.

SO THEY WOULD THEY HAVE TO DO ALL THOSE RANGE POPULATIONS? LIKE THIS IS ALL ENGINEERING.

IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, THEY CAN GET OUT IT.

UM, I, WE ALWAYS SAY THAT WE HAVE TO TRUST THIS IS A PERMITTING ENGINEERING, PERMITTING ENGINEERING WHEN IT COMES TO LIFE SAFETY.

THEY, THIS, THESE ARE THE RULES, .

OKAY.

BECAUSE WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF

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THE ORIGINAL ISSUE, V THEY DID NOT HAVE, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY DID NOT HAVE THESE ISSUES PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL, UH, WHATEVER THE SCHOOL DID ORIGINALLY.

THAT THIS UH, SOME OF THE STUDENTS AROUND IT ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR DECADES.

AND THEY COULD COME ABOUT INTO THE ORIGINAL, THE SCHOOL ORIGINALLY, UM, SEE ISSUE.

SO, UM, OKAY, SO WE'VE NEVER ASKED ABOUT RETENTION AND RETENTION PHONES IN, IN, IN, IN LING BECAUSE I, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW WE HAVE, I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE LOOK AT THEM BECAUSE OF THEIR SURFACE AND WE ARE LOOKING, OKAY, LIKE, I'M GONNA HAVE KIDS LATER.

CAN YOU ADD SOME TREES? CAN YOU MAKE IT PRETTIER? STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT IS THERE CHOICE IF IT'S GONNA BE UNDERGROUND, IF IT'S GONNA BE A POND, IF IT'S GONNA BE AN UNDERGROUND TANK OR IF THEY'RE GONNA IMPROVE THE UTILITIES DOWN THE ROAD.

SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CANNOT TELL THEM, OH, YOU HAVE TO DO SURFACE POND ATTENTION OR UNDERGROUND CAN ATTENTION.

THAT'S FOR THEIR CALCULATIONS WITH THE, WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM IN OUR, UH, PERMITTING ISSUE.

WELL, CAN WE ASK THEM THAT DURING, DURING PORTION? UM, UH, UH, WHEN THEY COME UP? HAVE THEY MANY? BECAUSE THAT'S AN ISSUE.

UM, WE, WE, I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T ASK THEM THAT IF IT'S ON OUR PLANS.

THEY, THEY SAID ON OUR PLANS THAT THEY HAD AN ATTENTION CALL, THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT READY.

UM, THE PLANS READY, BUT THEY WERE PUT THE ATTENTION FUND TO ON, ON SITE.

AND IF WE CAN ADD, I MEAN ASK ANOTHER CASES I SEE WHY ESPECIALLY ADDRESS.

SO THAT WOULD BE CAUSE THE, IF THAT OKAY.

I THINK, I THINK, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK WE CAN ASK, BUT WE TRY TO, AGAIN, TRUST THE PERMITTING SYSTEM.

THEY WILL HAVE TO LIKE FIX ALL THESE ISSUES FOR SURE.

AND THERE'S ALWAYS AN ENGINEER RECORD.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR .

AND I WOULD ADD AT THIS, AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T HAVE ZONING REGULATIONS THAT, UH, REGULAT REGULATE PREVIOUS COVERS.

UM, OR, OR, OR REGULATE, UM, HOW BRANDAGE IS DONE.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE TOOLS BUILT INTO OUR ZONING SYSTEM.

UM, SO WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TYPICALLY, UM, LOOK AT THAT PARTICULARLY WE LOOK AT OTHER, UH, DEVELOPMENT CENTERS, BUT NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR HIS PRESIDENT.

MR. PERRY, DID YOU, DID YOU, DID YOU ASK THEM AGAIN BECAUSE THEY DID, I KNOW THAT THEY MADE, WHEN I TALKED TO THE, THE APPLICANT AND THEY BOTH SAID, WELL, THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE, UM, UM, THE A THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO, TO SUBMIT THOSE PLANS PRIOR TO AND DELAY BEING, UM, DELAY BEING VOTED ON STATE SO THAT WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE PLANS.

WHAT, WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? COULD YOU REPEAT THE APPLICANT? WE, WERE YOU AWARE THAT THE APPLICANT, UM, AND THE REPRESENTATIVE WAS WILLING TO, UM, DELAY US VOTE TODAY SO THAT THE MEETINGS LOOKING AT THAT, THAT PARTICULAR CLAIM? SURE.

YEAH.

SEE THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY SAID THEY WERE, THEY WERE OPEN TO DOING THAT SO THAT WE COULD FEEL FOR SURE THAT THIS, THIS WON'T AFFECT THE COMMUNITY ANY FURTHER.

IF, IF YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S FIND THEY'RE OKAY WITH A WHOLE YEAH.

AND LIKE IF I COULD, UM, IF I COULD JUMP IN REAL QUICK.

YEAH, IF THAT'S THE KIND OF INFORMATION YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A COMMISSIONER TO DISCUSS WITH THE APPLICANT, UM, ON THIS PROJECT, THAT'S CERTAINLY SORT OF ANCILLARY INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.

HOWEVER, DRAINAGE IS NOT A PART OF WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE CHARGED WITH EVALUATING ON THIS CASE.

JUSTICE STAFF ONLY EVALUATES PER ZONING AND LAND USE.

THE COMMISSIONERS ONLY EVALUATE PER ZONING AND LAND USE.

SO IF THAT'S ANCILLARY INFORMATION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE TO MAKE YOU MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS PROJECT, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THAT IS NOT OFFICIALLY PART OF THE PURVIEW OF THIS COMMISSION TO REVEAL.

OKAY.

SO THEY, THEY DID, WE DID SPEAK AND THEY DID SEE BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPOKE AND THAT WAS THEIR MAIN, THAT WAS THE COMMUNITY RESISTANCE TO GOING ANYTHING FURTHER WITH THIS PROJECT WAS THAT IT HAD, NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE, THEY'VE NOT BEEN ANY BACK FROM THAT.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT'S BEEN GOING OFF.

CONS DRAIN OF IS NOT A PART OF THE REVIEW OF THE ZONING CASE.

SO THAT TRADITIONALLY PART OF CONVERSATION SURROUNDING THE ZONING CASE, I,

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IF I, I THINK DAVID IS HERE AND HE WANTS TO MAYBE ADD A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OR CO COMMISSIONER WHEELER.

I, I DO WANT TO SAY THOUGH THAT WHETHER, WHETHER YOUR OPINION IS TO DENY OR APPROVE THE PROJECT, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THOSE CONCERNS FROM THE NETWORK.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY ZERO LOSS TO LOT RANGE ALLOWED IF THERE IS ANY CURRENTLY.

UH, THERE IS AN ENGINEER OF RECORD THAT IS STILL BEING HELD RESPONSIBLE, UH, FOR WHAT HAS ALREADY BEING CONSTRUCTED.

AND WE CAN IMMEDIATELY CONTACT THEM AND PULL OUR FILES AND MAKE SURE THAT, THAT WE CAN ADDRESS YOUR, UM, NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.

IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW US TO FURTHER REVIEW IT AT PERMITTING AT THIS POINT.

SO ACTUALLY APPROVING THIS REQUEST WOULD ALLOW CITY STAFF TO, UM, HOLD THEIR PROJECT UNTIL THOSE ITEMS ARE ADDRESSED.

BUT IN ANY CASE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VISIT WITH THE ENGINEER OF RECORD.

THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE A RECORD OF THE REQUEST 3 1 1 IS THE PERFECT WAY TO START THAT CONVERSATION AND WE CAN, I THINK THEY HAVE SUBMITTED 3 1 1.

IT JUST, IT, IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WAS ALSO WILLING TO HOLD IT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD THE CONCERN AND THEY, THEY WANT TO MEET THOSE PLANS TO COUNTY THE RETENTION.

THEY SAID NOT RETENTION DETENTION.

THAT WAS DIFFERENCE.

RIGHT.

AND, AND, AND IF THERE'S THE 3 1 1 REQUEST ALREADY ON FILE, IF YOU SENT ME THAT, YOU KNOW, I'LL MAKE SURE TO UPDATE.

OKAY.

I'M, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN FROM THE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN THAT THE TM P WAS OKAY.

THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT, SO.

OKAY.

SO, ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER WHEEL BEFORE WE GO TO A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS, IS GONNA REQUEST A HOLD IT WHEN I HOLD IT TILL OCTOBER 5TH OR ANOTHER DAY.

UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE AGREED FOR A MONTH SO THAT THEY CAN GET EVERYTHING IN ORDER.

OKAY.

BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE ISSUE A MONTH.

UM, BUT IF THEY CAN KIND OF SHOW US THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE ALRIGHT.

SO WE'LL HOLD IT TO OCTOBER 19TH.

UH, WE HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER STANDARD.

YEAH.

UH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. BULKY, I WANNA SAY ABOUT WHAT COMMISSIONER WHEELER SAYS.

WHEN I HAD THE CASE ABOUT A YEAR AGO AT COCHRANE CHAPEL, WHICH WAS THE SAME THING, WE HAD A DRAINAGE ISSUE.

NOW IT WAS DOING A PD, BUT WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION WITH THE, UH, ATTORNEY ABOUT IT THAT WHY WOULD WE BE APPROVING SOMETHING THAT UPFRONT WE KNEW THERE WAS A DRAINAGE ISSUE.

SO THEREFORE IT WAS DECIDED IN THAT CASE THAT YES, IT IS PART OF OUR COMMISSION STUDIO IF WE KNOW THAT WE SHOULD DEAL WITH THAT INITIALLY BEFORE WE APPROVE SOMETHING TO BE BUILT, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUE, NOT JUST ONE THAT WAS FOUND BY ENGINEERING.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD APPROVE SOMETHING IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT MY QUESTION IS ALSO IN AN SS U P BECAUSE MY CASE WAS A PD, SO YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY GONNA GO THROUGH A FULL ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT.

DOES THE S U P GO THROUGH THAT SAME RIGOROUS? IS IT PERMITTING IS PERMITTING, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PD OR S U P.

WHAT TRIGGERS PERMITTING IS A NEW BUILDING OR OTHER SITUATIONS.

SO AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER PD S U P BASED ON IT, YOU STILL NEED TO PULL A PERMIT.

YOU'LL STILL NEED HAVE ENGINEERING REPAIR.

OKAY.

AND EVEN THOUGH THIS ONE HAD SUVS BEFORE, THE FACT THAT IT'S CLEAR NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

LIKE AGAIN, IT'S THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.

WE KEEP SEEING PERMITTING AND THE REVIEWS AND THE LEVEL OF ENGINEERING REVIEW.

AND WHEN IT, UH, IF YOU HAVE A NEW BUILDING, IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS FULL ENGINEERING.

AND IT, IT IS NOT LIKE, AGAIN, LIKE AS, AS RYAN WAS SAYING, AND AS I WAS SAYING, AND DAVID WAS SAYING, BOTTOM LINE LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE IS NOT ALLOWED.

AND, AND THAT'S IT.

THE WAY THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH DRAINAGE AND THE WATER STAYING ON THEIR PROPERTY.

IT'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING CALCULATIONS, A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT ARE NOT UNDER THIS PERMIT BECAUSE THOSE ARE NOT DISCRETIONARY.

LIKE THAT'S IT.

YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF IT.

HOWEVER, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO REBUILD ST.

MARK'S SCHOOL BEFORE WE ADDRESSED THE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. WE COULDN'T GET THAT APPROVED.

THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM.

IT WASN'T GOING TO NEED PERMITTING.

THE DRAINAGE PROB PROBLEM WAS NOT PART OF C P C DETERMINATION OR RECOMMENDATION OR DECISION.

BUT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM WAS A DISCUSSION OF ENGINEERING DURING PERMITTING.

BUT THIS IS WHEN WE WERE GETTING THE APPROVAL FOR THE REBUILD BEFORE WE COULD GET APPROVAL FOR THE ST.

MARK'S

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REBUILT.

AND THIS WAS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT THEY'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, WE HAD TO GET THE DRAINING ISSUE BECAUSE WHAT THEY SAID WAS, WE CAN'T GO AHEAD WITH PUTTING THIS CASE FORWARD TO THE C P C WITHOUT DEALING AND MITIGATING WHAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE DRAINAGE ISSUES COMING TO PERMITTING.

SO WE HAD TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE DEALT WITH FIRST BEFORE WE COULD HAVE IT BROUGHT FOR APPROVAL HERE.

SO EVERY SUM CASE HAS SOME THAT FLOOD LANE ISSUE, NOT FLOOD DRAINAGE ISSUES.

A LOT OF 'EM, WE DON'T SEE 'EM HERE.

AND SOMETIMES I'M LIKE, AH, I WISH WE TO TALK ABOUT THEM HERE, BUT WE DON'T BECAUSE IT'S ZONING FIRST THEN THEN PLANNING, THEN PERMITING ENGINEERING, AND THEN PERMITING THAT THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT FOLLOWS.

AND OTHERWISE WE GET INTO THE CHICKEN N D EGG.

WHY, WHY WOULD A DEVELOPER ADDRESS DRAINAGE ISSUES WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO DEVELOP WHAT THEY WANT TO? WHY WOULD THEY INVEST IN ENGINEERING FEES OR CONSULTANTS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE ZONING RIGHTS TO DEVELOP A I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS ON, ON ON DRAINAGE.

I I DO.

ALTHOUGH THEY'RE NOT ZONING RELATED.

I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'RE DISCUSSED HERE IN THE PUBLIC SETTING.

UH, BUT, BUT I WILL JUST SAY THAT A LOT OF THE, THE MAJORITY OF THE SOUNDING CASES THAT WE SEE HERE, UH, OKAY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I DO WANNA TO GET RESOLVED OTHERWISE WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD.

I DO WANNA ADD ONE OTHER THING THOUGH.

SOMETIMES YOU GO TO PLANNERS THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT ATTITUDE AND I RESPECT THIS.

THEY WILL SAY TO ME, AND I'VE HAD THIS SAID, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS WITH VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE, I CAN'T BRING THIS CASE FORWARD.

AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT ST.

MARK'S KNOWING THAT IT WON'T MEET PERMITTING STANDARDS, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO GET THROUGH PERMITTING.

WE NEED TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS NOW, NOT LATER BEFORE I BRING IT UP.

AND WHAT SPECIFIC ISSUES ARE THOSE THAT ARE PLANNER SAYS WE CAN'T BRING THIS CASE FORWARD UNTIL WE ADDRESS THOSE? WELL, ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A DRAINAGE ISSUE.

ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A TREE ISSUE.

ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN A TREE THAT AFFECTS DRAINAGE ISSUE.

I MEAN, I'VE HAD A LOT OF SITUATIONS LIKE THAT AND I JUST THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THE ONE THING I AGREE WITH IS IF WE KNOW UPFRONT, AND I'VE HAD PLANNER SAY THIS, THAT THERE ARE MAJOR DRAINAGE ISSUES, I DO THINK THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SAY, LET'S SEE IT HERE AND APPROVE THAT YOU CAN BUILD THIS.

AND WE KNOW UPFRONT THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

I THINK THAT THAT IS A FINE LINE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

THAT NOT JUST THIS, AND IT HASN'T BEEN ACROSS THE BOARD NO DRAINAGE ISSUES.

'CAUSE WHEN THEY COME UP HERE, THEN IT IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS YOUR SENSE OF APPROVAL.

IT'S HARD TO SAY, WELL, DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

THAT, THAT PROJECT WILL NEVER WORK.

OKAY.

ANYWAY, THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU MR. STAND.

UH, MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION, SIR? UH, I DID, UH, SOMEWHAT SIMILAR WITH COMMISSIONER STAND.

UH, MR. MULKEY, I'M GONNA WARN YOU, THIS IS A LOADED QUESTION.

IS INADEQUATE PROVISION FOR LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.

IT COULD BE, YEAH.

BUT THERE ARE OTHER COMPONENTS OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE THAT WILL ENSURE THAT IT IS NOT A DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE IN EVERY SINGLE CASE.

YES.

WELL, DOES THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS PERFECT.

IT'S NOT, BUT WE HAVE THE RULES WRITTEN FOR THEM AND THEY'RE NOT UNDER ALL PURVIEW.

LIKE IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE LOCK TO LOT RANGE MANUAL OF, THAT'S, THAT'S AGAIN, LETTER TO CITY MANAGER TO THAT DEPARTMENT IS NOT OUR DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT OUR DEPARTMENT WHO DOES THAT.

SO, SO LET ME, LET ME JUST SAY THIS AND AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS WILL HAVE LOTS OF RESPONSES TO THIS.

UM, UH, YOUR POWERS ARE MORE LIMITED THAN YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE SOMETIMES.

I'M NOT DENYING THAT THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

YOU KNOW, I I I AM, I'M NOTIONAL, RIGHT? UM, THE COMMISSION'S ABILITY TO IMPACT THAT, YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT ABILITY.

YOUR ABILITY IS CONFINED TO ZONING AND LAND USE REVIEW.

SO ANYTHING THAT IS TYPICALLY PART OF A ZONING CASE BE THAT CONSIDERING IF A CERTAIN USE IS APPROPRIATE IN AN AREA, IF A CERTAIN DISTRICT IS APPROPRIATE IN AN AREA, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A PD, IF CERTAIN DESIGN STANDARDS OR DEVIATIONS TO CODE LOOKING AT AN S P, THAT

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THE USE NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR GENERAL WELFARE.

RIGHT? BUT 'CAUSE OF ALIENS OR BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE OR 'CAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT YOUR POWERS TO IMPACT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE ARE LIMITED TO ZONING.

I HAVE POWER TO VOTE, NOT CAN I HERE AND MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT.

LIKE ALL OF THIS, WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.

THE PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW THEM TO SUBMIT FOR A PERMIT.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEIR PERMIT IS GONNA GET APPROVED.

THE PERMIT AGAIN, IS STILL GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS.

IF THEY DON'T MEAN ENGINEERING AND THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE BUILDING LAYOUT, THEY'RE COMING HERE BACK.

WE'RE NOT GIVING THEM THE PERMIT RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE NOT.

I THEN AGAIN, YES, WE THINK FROM A LAND'S PERSPECTIVE, THIS CAN GO AND NOW YOU'RE ON YOUR WAY TO PERMITTING.

SO THAT IT, AND THEN AFTER IT'S BUILT, AGAIN, THERE ARE SO MANY MECHANISMS IT DOESN'T WORK.

3 1 1 COMPLAINTS, WE WILL, WE WILL GO BACK AND REASSESS.

OR IF THEY COME BACK TO US, WE SAID, OKAY, IT DIDN'T WORK.

IT WASN'T A GOOD USE OF LAND.

NO SS U P BUT THIS IS, AGAIN, IT'S A WHEEL OF DEVELOPMENT AND THEN IT'S A WHEEL OF THE CITY LIFE AND WE'RE JUST PART OF IT.

WE'RE NOT, NOT ONE OF THE ALL DOESN'T NOT NECESSARILY PLUG THE SYSTEM.

YEP.

I HAVE ABOUT TWO HOURS OF THINGS TO SAY, SAY, BUT THEY ALL DID WITH PERIODS.

OKAY.

CAN I I SAY SOMETHING? SURE.

I, IT IT ALMOST MAKES, IT ALMOST MAKES US APPROVE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE FORESIGHT ON IN SAYING IF THIS WAS A NEW S U P THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT IF THIS, THIS IS A, THIS IS A S U P THAT IS, THAT'S RENEWING AND ASKING FOR, FOR THIS BODY TO APPROVE MORE.

AND THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED AT THE FIRST S U P AND IT WAS NOT ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE, AND, AND KNOWING THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS SAYING THAT, IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE SAYING, HEY, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS.

WE'RE GONNA PASS IT ALONG AND HOPE THAT, AND, AND PERMITTING IT GETS, IT GETS IT RIGHT WHEN THEY DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.

SO ADDRESSING IT AND, AND PUT IT IN OUR RECORD AND PUT AND, AND, AND MAKES A DIFFERENCE, EVEN IF WE NECESSARILY DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE IT.

WE CAN PUT IT ON RECORD WHERE NOW ENGINEERING OR, AND, AND COUNCIL CAN ADDRESS IT BECAUSE JUST APPROVING SOMETHING, HAVING THAT KIND OF KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO APPROVE AN INITIAL CLASSROOM WHEN THEY HAVEN'T GOT IT.

RIGHT.

15TH.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE, IF WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE CAUSING INTIMATE ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY AND FLOODING CAUSES THAT QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES.

SO IT MAKES US, IT MAKES US ALMOST BE IRRESPONSIBLE KNOWING THAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONERS.

LET'S, LET'S KEEP MOVING.

THIS CASE IS GONNA BE HELD UNDER ADVISEMENT.

UM, WE'RE GONNA GO TO OUR CODE AMENDMENT NEXT.

WE'LL SWING BACK TO ZONING CASES.

UH, MS. MAY GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING.

OKAY, SURE.

HERE WE GO.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO, UM, ITEM NUMBER 11 I BELIEVE IS D C A 2 2 3 0 0 2.

UM, IT'S REGARDING ADULT DAYCARE, FACILITIES, CHILDCARE FACILITIES AND DAY HOMES.

UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A A FEW THINGS BEFORE WE GET STARTED.

UM, STEVEN DOSS WAS THE ORIGINAL, UH, SENIOR PLANNER ON THIS ONE.

SO HE, HE MOVED TO GREENER PASTURES.

HE, HIS FAMILY MOVED OUT TO ARKANSAS WHERE THEIR FAMILIES ARE FROM.

AND SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN, UH, UH, IT'S BEEN FUN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PLANNER SIDE, THE SENIOR PLANNER SIDE OF THINGS.

SO, UM, UM, LET'S SEE.

UM, I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT I FORGOT TO INCLUDE THE MINUTES FROM ZAC.

SO I HAVE THREE COPIES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE IN CASE YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.

UM, SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

OKAY.

SO, UM, THIS IS A VERY LONG PARAGRAPH THAT I PROMISE I'LL READ IN THIS AFTERNOON, BUT I'M NOT GONNA PUT YOU THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW.

UM, UH, I'LL READ THE SUMMARY.

UM, AND IT'S SOME PROPOSED CODE AMENDMENTS.

SO TO THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THIS IS A SITE SPECIFIC, BUT THIS IS TO THE BIG BOOK OF THE DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE.

UM, AND THE PROPOSALS ARE BASICALLY TO COMBINE THE USES OF ADULT DAYCARE AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES INTO ONE PLANNED USE, UM, TO CONSIDER THE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICTS, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

AND, UM, LOOKING, WE LOOKED AT THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS.

UM, THERE'S ALSO PROPOSALS TO REMOVE THE AGE LIMITATION OF ACCESSORY

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DAY HOMES.

THIS, UM, AND I'LL GO INTO THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT AND TO UPDATE SOME TERMINOLOGY IS BASICALLY THE SCOPE OF EVERYTHING.

UM, SO AN OVERVIEW OF THE BRIEFING IS GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SCOPE OF AMENDMENTS, THE BACKGROUND OF THE CASE, UM, OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN FINDING AND OPENING DAYTIME CARE, UM, UH, THE NEEDS OF ADULT DAYCARES AND CHILDCARE FACILITIES.

AND, UH, THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION ON THE DIFFERENCES IN RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I ALSO WANTED TO BRING ALL AT TO SPEED ON THE NON-CONFORMING NOTICES THAT WE SENT OUT.

SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY INITIATED BY C P C IN DECEMBER.

UH, DURING OUR RESEARCH, WE NOTICED THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD INCLUDE DAY HOMES, UH, WHICH IS AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, WHERE UP TO 10 CHILDREN MAY BE CARED FOR BY A RESIDENT OF THE RESIDENTS.

SO IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE, UM, TO THAT RESIDENTIAL USE.

UM, BUT SINCE IT PROVIDES DAYTIME CARE, WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT.

UM, SO THE ZONING ORDINANCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE MET THREE TIMES, UM, OVER THE SUMMER AND IT WAS NINE AND A HALF HOURS OF DISCUSSION.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER EVERY DETAIL.

.

UH, THE GOOD NEWS IS WE AGREED ON MOST THINGS.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE MAINLY GOING OVER WHERE THE DIFFERENCES WERE BETWEEN STAFF.

AND SO ACTUALLY THIS BRIEFING, UM, JUST A GENERAL, UM, BRINGING UP TO SPEED, THESE ARE THE SCOPE OF OUR AMENDMENTS ARE, AGAIN, RELATED TO CHILDCARE, ADULT DAYCARE AND DAY HOMES.

MENTIONED THAT THE, UH, NOTICE THAT IT IS DAYTIME CARE, SO NOBODY'S SPENDING THE NIGHT HERE.

UH, THAT'S BEING SUPERVISED.

SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, OUR CONVALESCENT NURSING HOMES, OUR ASSISTED LIVING OR RETIREMENT HOUSING, OTHER RESIDENTIAL USES OR HANDICAPPED GROUP DUALING UNITS OR BOARDING HOMES.

NONE OF THOSE ARE PART OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY.

IT'S ALSO NOT INCLUDING PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

SO, UM, WHAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON IS THE CARE FOR, YOU KNOW, CHILDREN, UM, ALSO PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS AND, UM, THE ELDERLY THAT MIGHT NEED DAYTIME SUPERVISION.

UM, SO THERE ARE LOTS OF REGULATIONS IN THE CODE ALREADY THAT, UH, AIM TO ADDRESS THE COMP COMPATIBILITY OF NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

AND JUST TO GO OVER THOSE BRIEFLY, UM, YOU CAN'T PARK IN THE FRONT YARD.

UH, NON RESIDENTIAL USES MAY NOT PARK IN THE FRONT YARD OF, UH, IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.

YOU KNOW, THIS REGULATION KINDA, I THINK IT WAS ADDED, UM, MAYBE IN THE SIXTIES OR EIGHTIES.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF NON-CONFORMING SITES THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING.

SO THERE IS DEFINITELY THAT THING, BUT FOR NEW USES FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD.

UM, ALSO AS, UH, COMMISSIONER YOUNG BROUGHT UP, YOU CAN'T HAVE A REMOTE PARKING AGREEMENT IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL USES.

UM, AND, UM, ARE ALL THE PARKING LOADING AND GARBAGE STORAGE AREAS HAVE TO BE SCREENED WITH THE SIX FOOT SOLID SCREENING FENCE.

UH, THERE'S LIGHTING STANDARDS FOR PARKING LOTS.

UM, YOU GOTTA HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND EVEN THE SIGNS HAVE TO FOLLOW NON-BUSINESS SIGN REGULATIONS.

SO THERE'S TYPICALLY LIKE YOUR MONUMENT SIGNS AND STUFF.

AND THESE ARE ALL, UH, INHERENT TO ANY RESIDENTIAL USE, SORRY, NON RESIDENTIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SO, UM, SO I CAME UP WITH THIS VENN DIAGRAM, SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SCIENTIFIC, BUT, UM, IN REMEMBERING P T S D AND FINDING CHILDCARE MYSELF, , WHICH WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.

SO I REALLY HAD TO DIG IT OUT OF MY MEMORY, UM, THAT I WAS SUPPRESSED.

THERE'S ABOUT THREE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF GO OVER THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKING WITH PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR WHENEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND CHILDCARE.

AND YOU KNOW, THESE MAY, THESE CIRCLES MAY BE DIFFERENT IN SIZE DEPENDING ON YOUR PARTICULAR NEEDS, BUT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A NURTURING ENVIRONMENT FOR YOUR DEPENDENT.

UM, YOU'RE ALSO PROBABLY LOOKING FOR CONVENIENCE, UM, AND YOU'RE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE IT FITS IN YOUR BUDGET.

SO THESE ARE KIND OF LIKE THE THREE THINGS THAT ARE WARRING ON ANYBODY LOOKING FOR DAYTIME SUPERVISION OF A LOVED ONE.

UM, AND THAT MIDDLE PART RIGHT THERE IS, IS REALLY RARE TO FIND, AND NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FIND ALL THREE THINGS REALLY WORKING FOR THEM.

AND, UH, THAT'S ALSO A PART OF THE REASON WHY, UM, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, OR AT LEAST WHY I WANT

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TO TALK ABOUT IT.

UM, I ALSO HAVE, UH, THE DIRECTOR FROM OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE HERE AND, UM, THE OFFICE OF COMMUNITY CARE, UM, PROVIDES DIRECTION AND OVERSIGHT ON THE CITY'S SOCIAL, HUMAN AND SUPPORTIVE SERVICES TO HELP CREATE EQUITY FOR SENIORS, CHILDREN, AND OTHER CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS TO PROVE THE, THEIR QUALITY AND STANDARD OF LIVING.

AND, UM, I THINK SHE HAS A, YOU HAVE A COUPLE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO MENTION.

SURE.

UM, SO I, I DO WANNA SAY, FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE THIS, UM, COMMISSION'S WILLINGNESS TO TAKE UP AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE BOTH OF THESE USES ARE SO CRITICALLY NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND VERY, VERY UNDERSERVED.

UM, SO I DO HAVE SOME DATA I'VE SHARED HERE ON CHILDCARE IN DALLAS COUNTY, THERE'S 30 THAT ARE KNOWN AS CHILDCARE DESERTS AND SIX, UH, 17 ZIP CODES.

WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THERE'S BASICALLY MORE THAN THREE TIMES THE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF SIX AS THERE ARE SIGNS, SEATS AVAILABLE TO SERVE THEM.

UM, I'M SORRY, WAS THERE? NO, SHE SHE'S NEEDED.

OKAY.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

SORRY.

UM, AND SO, SO PARDON? COMMISSIONER REER, CAN YOU MUTE YOUR MIC? OH, OKAY.

YOU'RE FINE.

THANK YOU.

SO, UM, SO, UM, AND THE ZIP CODES ARE, UM, SOUTHERN AND SOUTHEASTERN DALLAS ARE KIND OF WHERE THOSE ARE THE MOST HEAVILY CONCENTRATED.

UM, A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE IS THAT DALLAS ACTUALLY NEEDS AT LEAST 7,000 MORE LICENSED CHILDCARE SEATS.

UM, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE DUE TO THE FACT THAT A LOT OF THE DATA THAT'S AVAILABLE IS ACTUALLY BASED ON LICENSING CAP CAPACITY AND NOT ACTUAL CAPACITY.

SO A FACILITY MIGHT BE LICENSED BY THE STATE, UM, TO SERVE A CERTAIN NUMBER BASED ON LIKE FIRE CODES AND INSPECTIONS AND THINGS, BUT THEIR TRUE ABILITY TO SERVE MIGHT BE EVEN LESS THAN THAT BASED ON STAFFING OR THE WAY THE PLACE IS SET UP, ET CETERA.

SO THERE'S A, A HUGE GAP OF AT LEAST 7,000.

UM, AND WE ALSO KNOW, UM, THAT CHILDCARE CENTERS ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF A TRADITIONAL PATHWAY, UM, TO OUT OF POVERTY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

SO NOT ONLY DO THEY PROVIDE A CRITICAL RESOURCE FOR, UM, PARENTS WHO NEED SOMEWHERE FOR THEIR CHILDREN TO BE CARED FOR, UM, AND TO OF COURSE LEARN AND BE READY FOR SCHOOL WHEN THEY'RE WORKING, BUT ALSO A VERY DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT RUN CHILDCARE CENTERS ARE WOMEN AND WOMEN OF COLOR.

UM, AND SO IN TWO WAYS THESE FACILITIES ARE A PATHWAY OUT OF POVERTY, UM, AND A PATHWAY TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, EQUITABLE OF COURSE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE.

UM, AND SO THEY'RE REALLY ALSO A SMALL BUSINESS CONVERSATION WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE ADULT DAYCARE CENTER, AND I WAS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT, UM, KIND OF DISAPPOINTED AT HOW HARD IT WAS TO FIND SOME REAL DATA ON THIS, UM, , UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, BUT WHAT I CAN SAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ADULT DAYCARE CENTERS, UM, THESE PROVIDE, UM, SOCIAL SKILL, RECREATIONAL AND THEN OF COURSE LIKE SUPPORT SERVICES.

SO THEY MAY EVEN BE THINGS LIKE HELPING PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKING THE APPROPRIATE MEDICATIONS AND COUNSELING AND ALL OF THOSE REALLY IMPORTANT NEEDS.

UM, MO MANY, A MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERVED BY ADULT CARE CENTERS ACTUALLY HAVE COGNITIVE, UM, DISABILITIES, BUT OVERALL, UM, THEY ARE DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WITH, UH, PHYSICAL OR COGNITIVE LIMITATIONS.

AND SO THEY ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, OUR OLDER ADULT POPULATION IS DRAWING BY FAR, UM, IS THE LARGEST GROWING POPULATION.

AND WHILE THE POVERTY RATE FOR, UM, NON-SENIOR RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY ACTUALLY DECREASED FROM 2014 TO 2019 BY ABOUT 16% THE POVERTY RATE FOR PEOPLE FOR OLDER ADULTS, OUR SENIOR POPULATION ACTUALLY INCREASED BY 10%.

SO AS WE SEE THAT SHIFTING POPULATION, WE'RE ALSO SEEING SHIFTING POVERTY.

AND SO ALL THAT'S TO SAY THAT THOUGH I DON'T REALLY HAVE A REALLY LOVELY NUMBER IN ORDER TO ESTIMATE THE GAP IN TERMS OF NEEDED SERVICES, WE DO SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE GROWING OLDER WHO ARE HAVING SOME OF THOSE PHYSICAL LIMITATIONS WHERE ARE NEED OF THESE SERVICES AND HAVE LIMITED FUNDS.

UM, AND WE DO EXPECT THAT TRAJECTORY TO CONTINUE TO GROW.

AND AS SUCH, ORGANIZATIONS LIKE A A R P ARE ESTIMATING THAT THE NEED FOR THESE CENTERS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW AS WELL.

SO I WANT TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION THAT THIS COMMITTEE IS CONSIDERING TAKING STEPS THAT CAN MAKE IT EASIER FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AND FOR INDIVIDUALS AND EVEN NONPROFITS TO MAKE THESE SERVICES AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT EVERY STEP AND EVERY BARRIER WE CAN REMOVE TO MAKING MORE FACILITIES, BOTH FOR ADULTS AND FOR CHILDCARE IS A CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

SO THANK YOU SARAH.

SARAH.

OKAY.

SO, UM, I WANTED TO GO OVER WHERE ADULT DAYCARE IS ALLOWED RIGHT NOW.

UH, THESE ARE FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR SENIORS, BUT ALSO, UM, ANYBODY THAT'S OVER THE AGE OF 14 REALLY.

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UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE CHILDCARE ENDS, ALTHOUGH ANYWAY, UM, SO IT'S ALLOWED BY WRIGHT, UH, IN RETAIL CSS AND INDUSTRIAL CENTRAL AREA, WHICH IS LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN MIXED USE MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL AND URBAN CORRIDOR DISTRICTS.

UM, THE LIMITED USES ARE KIND OF FAR AND FAR BETWEEN, SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY IN THOSE MULTIFAMILY OR OFFICE.

AND, UM, THEY'RE ALSO ALLOWED BY, UM, S U P AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS SIMILAR TO CHILDCARE FACILITIES.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE H H S DATA, UM, OF FACILITIES THAT ARE LOCATED IN DALLAS, TEXAS, WE ONLY FOUND 10 OF 'EM, AND I PUT 'EM ON A MAP HERE.

UM, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS SOUTHWEST OF DOWNTOWN, IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PARKING LOT IN THE OLD CLIFFY MUNICIPAL CENTER.

UM, SO I'VE SPENT MANY YEARS GOING IN AND OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT AND, UM, IF IT, IF IT IS ANY CONSTELLATION, I ONLY SAW THE PARKING LOT ABOUT HALF FULL.

AND MOST PEOPLE ARRIVED BY BUS, LIKE, LIKE THEIR OWN CENTERS PARATRANSIT FACILITY, IF YOU WILL.

SO THEY, IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WENT AND PICKED UP, UM, YOU KNOW, KNOW PEOPLE AND BROUGHT IT TO THE FACILITY.

BUT, UM, YOU MIGHT ALSO NOTICE IT'S PROBABLY HARD TO TELL, BUT MOST OF THESE, UM, AREAS ARE REALLY PRETTY CLOSE TO INTERSTATES.

I MEAN, A LOT OF DALLAS REALLY IS, BUT, UM, THESE ARE VERY, THESE, UM, NOT QUITE RESIDENTIAL, ALTHOUGH THE ONE IN OAK CLIFF THAT, UM, UM, IT WAS RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE PARKING LOT, UM, IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A ROW OF HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES OF IT, SO REALLY, SO YEAH.

IS THEY'RE NOT, IS THAT THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL OR ANY, ANY OF THESE? I THINK IT WAS MIXED USE, UM, OVER THERE IN, UH, IN OAK CLIFF BY THE OAK OAKLAND MUSICAL CENTER.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE OTHER NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN OUR MIXED USE DISTRICTS.

UM, I DIDN'T, UM, I LOOKED AT ALL THESE ON AN AERIAL PHOTO, BUT NONE OF 'EM WERE QUITE LIKE IN YOUR TRADITIONAL SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION.

UM, YES.

SO THERE'S ONLY 10 OF 'EM RIGHT NOW IN DALLAS, WHICH IS, UM, NOT VERY MANY.

UM, SO ALSO I WANTED TO GO OVER WHERE, WHERE IS CHILDCARE ALLOWED RIGHT NOW? UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS ON WHAT A CHILDCARE FACILITY IS, IS, IS OR IS NOT.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF ACCEPTANCE TO WHAT IS NOT.

UM, SO IT'S ANYWHERE WHERE IT'S OPERATED BY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE CHURCH.

SO IF IT'S OPERATED BY A CHURCH, IT'S