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[Landmark Commission Meeting on October 2, 2023.]
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AT, UM, ONE OH FIVE.AND FIRST WE NEED TO, UM, UH, START WITH A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN ACTING TRIP.
I MOVE THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER COURTNEY, ACT AS ACTING CHAIR FOR THIS MEETING.
UM, AND NEXT THEN, UM, I MOVE TO HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER SERVE AS OUR ACTING VICE CHAIR.
THEY SAID WE ACTUALLY HAD TO HAVE AN ACTING CHAIR FIRST, SO, UM, THERE WE GO.
GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.
DISTRICT TWO I, I SAW HER LINK FORWARD.
DISTRICT THREE, DISTRICT FOUR.
DISTRICT SEVEN, DISTRICT EIGHT.
WE ALSO HAVE COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS.
PARDON ME, MR. CUMMINGS? I'M HERE.
SO, WELL, WE HAVE TWO MINUTES,
ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO AHEAD THEN.
AND, UM, WELL, WHAT IF THOUGH, UM, AS COMMISSIONER GIBSON IS, I, I THINK ON A PHONE CALL EARLIER, IS, IS HIS STEP STILL OVER
SO THEN THAT WOULD PUT US AS, UH, ONE TO MANY.
SO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER, UH, CUMMINGS IN PERSON.
I, I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHO PARTICIPATED LAST TIME BETWEEN COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS THE DETERMINATION, I THINK TO ROTATE OR BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM? DOES ANYBODY RECALL? OF COURSE.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST GOING BETWEEN COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AND COMMISSIONER ANDERSON.
SO WAS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON WAS PRESENT FOR OH, BOTH THE PRESENT FOR THE BRIEFING.
AYE, ANDERSON, IS THAT THE LAST MEETING? OKAY.
SO THEN, UM, WITH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON BEING PRESENT AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, JIM, WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO, UM, DIAL IN AND PARTICIPATE, BUT WE'LL HAVE ONE TOO MANY.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, ARE YOU ABLE TO BE PRESENT FOR THE DURATION OF THE ENTIRE MEETING THIS AFTERNOON? YES, MA'AM.
ALRIGHT, WELL THEN WE'LL GO ON AHEAD AND, AND MOVE FORWARD.
UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ANDERSON FOR YOUR, UH, WILLINGNESS TO PARTICIPATE, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO, UH, HAVE MANY, OKAY? OKAY.
CAN I GO ON AND LISTEN? OF COURSE.
HOW DO I DO THAT? UH, TURN YOUR CAMERA OFF.
YOU CAN JUST TURN HIS CAMERA OFF.
ALL RIGHT THEN WITH THAT, WE'LL GO ON AHEAD THEN AND, UM, HANDLE THE, UH, A MINUTES.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS FOR
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THE MINUTES? NO.ALRIGHT, SO THEN CAN WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES? SO MOVED.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT CHAIR.
EXCUSE ME, I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EVERYBODY AND I CAN'T SEE WHO'S GOT IT SPEAKING.
SO IF WE COULD SAY OUR NAMES AND I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, WHO IS THE MAKER OF THE MOTION? I MOVE.
THIS IS COMMISSIONER OSA AND OUR SECOND WAS OKAY.
WE DO NOT HAVE ANYBODY THAT NEEDS TO RECUSE FROM ANYTHING.
DOES THAT STILL STAND FOR THE AFTERNOON AS WELL? NO.
ALRIGHT, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, SET A, SET THE ORDER.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER HERE.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS TWO THROUGH EIGHT AS WELL AS DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, MOVING IT TO CONSENT.
UH, SECOND, SECOND, SECOND IS WITH NO, LET ME, I HAVE A QUESTION, HOWEVER, ABOUT, UM, DISCUSSION ITEM EIGHT, WASN'T IT EIGHT WHERE WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSSION ITEM, MAKE, OFFER A CLARITY TO IT, DISCUSSION ITEM ONE, DISCUSSION ONE, THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA OFFER A, A STATEMENT, CLARITY OR, UM, THOSE BASED ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION, WHICH WOULD BE OUR APPROVAL, CORRECT? SO IS THAT FOR THE, THE QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY? UM, IF WE, IF THE CONSENT ITEMS ARE PER STAFF, UH, RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULDN'T NEED THE CLARIFICATION ON THE WOOD WINDOWS, CORRECT.
MOTION TO INCLUDE THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY APPROVED PER STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IS REGARDING ITEM DISCUSSION ONE.
SO THEN, LET'S SEE, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UM, GO THROUGH THE ORDER FOR THE REMAINDER.
MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE REMAINING ITEMS BE ORDERED AS FOLLOWS, CONSENT REVIEW.
CONS COURTESY REVIEW, WHICH IS THE ONLY ONE ON THE AGENDA TODAY.
THE DESIGNATION, PUBLIC HEARING CONSENT ONE.
MADAM CHAIR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES.
ARE WE COUNTING COMMISSIONER GIBSON PRESENT BECAUSE HIS GLASSES WOULD BE
YEAH, HE'S OUT OF THE ROOM IS SHOWING IN FAVOR.
WHAT, WHY DON'T WE, UM,
RIGHT? SO THINK THAT'S SITTING SEVEN.
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ALL RIGHT.SO THE DETERMINATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS THAT, UM, HE'S PRESENT.
UH, COMMISSIONER GIBSON IS PRESENT.
ALRIGHT, SO, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD THEN WITH COURTESY REVIEW.
RHONDA DUNN PRESENTING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF.
UH, THE CASE IN QUESTION IS COURTESY REVIEW ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 4 0 0 1 CAPITAL AVENUE.
THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE IT'S INDIVIDUALLY LISTED, IS ALEX W. SPENCER JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CR 2 34 DASH ZERO ONE R D.
THE REQUEST, AGAIN, IT'S A COURTESY REVIEW TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS A TOTAL OF 74.
THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PROPOSAL TO REPLACE ALL WINDOWS TOTAL OF 74 BE CONCEPTUALLY APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT GLAZING IS TO RE BE REPLACED, AND THE OTHER WINDOW ELEMENTS, DASH FRAMES, SASHES, MUSS, ET CETERA, ARE TO BE REPAIRED.
MOREOVER, THE FINAL DESIGN, AS WELL AS ANY ASSOCIATED SITE PLANS, ELEVATIONS, RENDERINGS, AND DETAILS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED FOR FINAL LANDMARK COMMISSION REVIEW.
CAN I GET SOMEBODY TO READ THE
WELL, I, ONCE I FIND IT IN HERE, I GUESS I SHOULD I, NO.
COURTESY REVIEW COMMISSIONER PAGE 13.
COMMISSIONER SWAN DOESN'T MIND DOING IT.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND COMMISSIONER SWAN, YOU NEED TO PRINT ON THE
COURTESY REVIEW, NO FORMAL ACTION TAKEN.
COMMENTS ONLY SUPPORTED COMMENTS.
UH, ONE, PROVIDE A DETAILED CONDITION ASSESSMENT OF EACH WINDOW STATING COMMENTS IN THE ASSESSMENT REPORT.
TWO, REPAIR WINDOWS IN LIEU OF REPLACEMENT OF WINDOWS THREE, THE WINDOW FRAMES AS IS FOUR.
DETERMINE IF WINDOW SASHES ARE OF THE SIZE TO ALLOW ENERGY EFFICIENT, CLEAR GLASS PANES.
AND FIVE, CONDUCT COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS TO ASSIST IN DETERMINING PROPER COURSE OF ENERGY EFFICIENT ACTION.
I E SINGLE OR DOUBLE PLANE GLASS.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS FOR COURTESY REVIEW? YOU? THEY DIDN'T.
SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD A COURTESY REVIEW WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO
UM, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD THEN, I GUESS AT THAT POINT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, COMMENTS.
DOES ANYONE PRESENT HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY.
DOES ANYONE ATTENDING REMOTELY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE COURTESY REVIEW? NO.
WELL THEN WITH THAT WE'LL GO ON AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE'LL GO ON AHEAD THEN AND MOVE ON TO, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE INITIATION.
RHONDA DUNN, REPRESENTING CITY STAFF, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER ONE, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CITED AT 1515 SOUTH HARWOOD STREET, KNOWN AS OLD CITY PARK.
THE REQUEST IS FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE INITIATION OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS FOR 1515 SOUTH HARWOOD STREET, ALSO KNOWN AS OLD CITY PARK STAFF.
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL DESIGNATION, COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION IS ALSO APPROVAL.
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UM, OH, NO, I GUESS, UH, DO WE, UH, HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON BEHALF OF, OF THAT COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY? DO YOU, WERE YOU SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF, UM, YEAH, IS THERE NO PUBLIC SIGNED UP OR THAT NEED TO GO FIRST OR? OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND THEN, UM, CALL OUR FIRST SPEAKER.MR. DONNA HEFFLER? YES, I'M REMOTE.
ALL RIGHT, MS. HEFFLER, UH, WE JUST NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN.
UH, DO YOU PROMISE TO, UH, TELL THE TRUTH TODAY WHILE COMMENTING ON THIS ITEM? OKAY, GREAT.
DO YOU HAVE THE, IS YOU WANT TO KEEP IN TIME FOR US? OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, MS. HEER, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GO.
I JUST WANTED TO BE IN RECORD OF PUBLIC SUPPORT OF GL HISTORIC DESIGNATION.
UM, NEXT SPEAKER ON THIS ITEM IS CHRISTINA TURNER.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
I'M CHRIS TURNER WARE WITH THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER PLANNING AND DESIGN.
CITY PARK WAS THE FIRST PARK IN THE DALLAS PARK SYSTEM ACQUIRED IN 18, OH, HOLD ON.
WE HAVE THIS FOR YOU ON, DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? THANK YOU.
CITY PARK WAS THE FIRST PARK IN THE DALLAS PARK SYSTEM ACQUIRED IN 1876.
THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT UNDERSTANDS AND RESPECTS THE HISTORY OF THE PARK.
WE ARE JUST BEGINNING A MASTER PLANNING EFFORT FOR CITY PARK, WHICH WILL DEFINE THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDINGS AND PROPERTY AT CITY PARK, INCLUDING THE COMPLEX HYDROLOGY AND FLOOD PRONE STATUS.
RECENT SEVERE FLOODING HAS RESULTED IN THE DEGRADATION OF SEVERAL STRUCTURES OF THE PARK AND REPAIRS ARE CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS OF THOSE STRUCTURES.
THE MASTER PLAN EFFORT WILL CREATE FURTHER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW TO PREVENT FURTHER DESTRUCTION TO THESE VALUABLE ASSETS.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO PRESENTING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD AND THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AFTER WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANALYZE THE PROPERTY AND ITS FEATURES DURING THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORTS.
THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS THAT CONSIDERATION FOR CITY PARK AS A HISTORICAL FACILITY BE POSTPONED.
UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THIS ANALYSIS IS COMPLETE, EVERYONE CAN BENEFIT FROM THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WILL BE GLEANED FROM THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORTS.
AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TODAY.
DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, UH, PUBLIC SPEAKERS SIGNED UP? YES, WE HAVE TWO LETTERS.
UM, WE HAVE ANY VOLUNTEERS TO READ THE LETTERS THEN TO THE RECORD? OKAY.
SEPTEMBER 29TH, 2023, LANDMARK COMMISSION AND OFFICE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION CITY OF DALLAS, 1500 MELA STREET, FIVE CN, DALLAS, TEXAS 7 5 2 0 1 RE INITIATION OF OLD CITY PARK DESIGNATION, LANDMARK COMMISSION AGENDA OCTOBER 2ND, 2023.
DEAR COMMISSION, MEMBERS AND PRESERVATION STAFF PRESERVATION DALLAS SUPPORTS THE INITIATION OF OLD CITY PARK.
THIS PARK ALONG WITH ITS BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES IS AN IMPORTANT HISTORIC AND CULTURAL RESOURCE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THE RETENTION OF ITS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES AND PARK SETTING IS A DYNAMIC AND ENGAGING REPRESENTATION OF OUR PAST.
WHILE THESE STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN RELOCATED, THE INTERPRETIVE COMPONENT HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL SINCE 1969.
IT ARTICULATES THE VERY TYPES OF RESOURCES THAT ARE NOT ADEQUATELY REPRESENTED IN OTHER PARTS OF OUR CITY.
HAVING LANDMARK DESIGNATED ENVIRONMENTS SUCH AS OLD CITY PARK IS AN IMPORTANT PUBLIC HISTORY EDUCATIONAL RESOURCE, ESPECIALLY WHEN ACCOMPANIED BY AN ALL BY AN INCLUSIVE PROGRAM.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR CITY, SINCERELY, VICTORIA PLOW, UH, VICTORIA PLOW, PRESIDENT PRESERVATION DALLAS.
WE RECEIVED ANOTHER LETTER FROM MARCEL QUIMBEE, OCTOBER 1ST, 2023.
LANDMARK COMMISSIONERS ALL CITY PARK WAS CREATED IN 1876 WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED FROM JJ EKINS BECOMING THE CITY OF DALLAS'S FIRST PUBLIC PARK.
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SPRINGS, AN ARTESIAN SPRING AND SOURCE OF FRESHWATER USED BY INDIAN TRIBES AND LATER DALLAS RESIDENTS.THE PARK WAS SOON IMPROVED WITH WALKING AND RIDING PATHS, FOUNTAINS OF BANDSTAND, GARDENS, TENNIS COURTS, GREENHOUSES IN THE CITY'S FIRST ZOO LOCATED AT THE EDGE OF DALLAS.
AT THE TIME, THE PARK SERVED DALLAS RESIDENCE WITH RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES.
IN 18 85, 9 ACRES OF ADJACENT PROPERTY, INCLUDING ADJACENT BROWDER SPRINGS, WERE PURCHASED AND ADDED TO THE PARK IN THE CEDARS NEIGHBORHOOD, WAS SOON BUILT ADJACENT TO THE PARK.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE CONSTRUCTION OF I 35 TOOK APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE PARK, INCLUDING THE LOCATION OF BROWER SPRINGS AND CUT OFF THE PARK AND ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS FROM DOWNTOWN DALLAS.
IN 1966, DALLAS COUNTY HERITAGE SOCIETY CREATED OLD CITY PARK, A MUSEUM OF VERNACULAR, DALLAS ARCHITECTURE AT THE PARK.
OLD CITY PARK INCLUDES, UH, THE RICHARD M GANO DOG TROT HOUSE 1854 MILLMORE 1855 TO 1962, AND THE MILLER LOG CABINET 1847, ALL OF WHICH ARE RECORDED.
TEXAS HISTORIC LANDMARKS, OLD CITY PARK, THE DALLAS'S, THE CITY OF DALLAS'S FIRST PARK IS MOSTLY, UH, IS, IS MOST WORTHY OF INITIATION BY DALLAS LANDMARK COMMISSION AS A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK.
I ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS INITIATION.
SINCERELY, AND THANK YOU MARCEL QUIMBEE, F A I A.
WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS SIGNED UP OR PRESENT THAT WANNA SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE INITIATION.
ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS WITH THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.
UM, THE, THE PLACE CURRENTLY KNOWN AS OLD CITY PARK, WHICH IT CAME TO BE KNOWN AFTER THE HISTORIC VILLAGE OPENED UP, WAS AS IT HAD BEEN REPORTED, IT HAS LAYERS AND LAYERS OF HISTORIC IMPORTANCE TO THIS TOWN, INCLUDING ASSISTING WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE URBAN AREA AROUND IT.
FING, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY BEEN A RURAL AREA AND, AND THE, UM, HOUSING NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED THE CEDARS WAS BUILT UP AROUND IT AND HAS CHANGED IN CHARACTER OVER THE YEARS.
SO IT HAS HOSTED A WIDE VARIETY OF THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP DALLAS'S HISTORIC POPULATION.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS OF THE, UM, THE SPEAKER FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT IF SHE'D LIKE TO RETURN TO THE MICROPHONE.
AND I'M AFRAID I DID NOT CATCH HER NAME.
COULD SOMEONE REMIND ME OF THAT? UH, CHRIS TURNER NOTE WHERE, NICE TO MEET YOU, MA'AM.
I'M SORRY, I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON, BUT I WAS EXPOSED TO COVID AND REALLY DIDN'T WANNA, UM, SEND A PLAGUE TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.
SO I HAVE STAYED AT HOME TODAY.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE IDEA THAT, UM, DOING THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS FIRST WOULD INFORM THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IF WE DO THEM IN CONJUNCTION OR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROCESS FIRST, THAT GIVES A BASELINE FOR THE MASTER PLAN WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE CONSTRUCTED WITH THE HELP OF OUR DESIGNATION COMMITTEE.
THAT'S PART OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO HELP THE MASTER PLANNERS UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF THE PARK AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF BOTH THE LANDSCAPE AND ALL THE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED THERE.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK BACK TO THAT AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND? YES, MA'AM.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FOR THE QUESTION.
UM, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AS PART OF THE MASTER PLANNING EFFORT IS BASICALLY DO THE ANALYSIS TO BASICALLY LOOK AT THE BUILDINGS TO SEE WHICH BUILDINGS MAY BE, UM, WORTH SAVING AND NOT WORTH SAVING.
WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE BUILDINGS OUT THERE MAY BE TOO FAR PAST THEIR CONDITION TO BE ABLE TO SAVE.
AND WE HAVE CONCERNS THAT IF THEY'RE DESIGNATED AS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT RIGHT NOW, THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE, EITHER THE NECESSARY REPAIRS OR EVEN POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE BUILDINGS IF THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO BE REPAIRED.
SO WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THOSE CONDITION ASSESSMENTS ON THOSE BUILDINGS BEFORE THEY'RE, UM, DESIGNATED AS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR, IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT MASTER PLANNING EFFORT AND LOOK AT THAT CONDITION ASSESSMENT BEFORE EVERYTHING IS, IS DECLARED, EXCUSE ME, HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT OUT THERE.
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CONFUSION IS COMING FROM.
THE DESIGNATION PROCESS WOULD INVITE THE OWNER OF ANY PROPERTY, IN THIS CASE, THE CITY OF DALLAS, TO JOIN US AT THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE, TO CRAFT THE ORDINANCE REGULATIONS IN A WAY THAT SERVES BOTH THE PURPOSE OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE NEEDS OF THE OWNER.
CERTAINLY, AS I HAVE A LONG ASSOCIATION WITH THAT MUSEUM, AND I'M PROBABLY MOST FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDINGS THAN ANYBODY, I RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE OF VARIED LEVELS OF HISTORIC IMPORTANCE AND CERTAINLY IN VARIED LEVELS OF, UM, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, WE MIGHT SAY.
SO THIS PROCESS OF DESIGNATION, YOU WOULD BE INVITED
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TO JOIN WITH US, OF COURSE, AND WE WOULD DISCUSS THOSE ITEMS AND LAY OUT THE ORDINANCE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL OF US.I DON'T REALLY SEE HOW WE NEED TO COMPLETE THE DRAINAGE ISSUES BEFORE WE DO OUR, UM, OUR INITIATION PROCESS.
THE DRAINAGE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES OUT THERE, AND YES, IT HAS BEEN DETRIMENTAL TO THE BUILDINGS AND I'M GLAD IT'S GOING TO BE FIXED.
BUT PRESERVATION AND DESIGNATION DO NOT STOP IMPORTANT WORK FROM TAKING PLACE.
THEY JUST GUIDE IT TO PRE RESERVE THE HISTORIC MATERIAL AND THE HISTORIC ATMOSPHERE.
SO WE ARE NOT IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR EFFORTS AT A MASTER PLAN AND CERTAINLY NOT IN OPPOSITION TO YOUR EFFORTS TO WISELY MANAGE THE HISTORIC FABRIC THERE.
IT'S JUST MOST EFFECTIVE IF THE, IN THAT THE DESIGNATION PROCESS WORKS BEGINNING IMMEDIATELY WORKS WITH YOU AS YOU MOVE ALONG IN YOUR PLANS.
AND, UM, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL, I WILL LET ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
AND, AND COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY, WE ALSO ARE NOT OPPOSED TO HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.
WE JUST WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION IN HAND BEFORE THAT HISTORICAL DESIGNATION HAPPENS.
WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE DRAINAGE THAT WE MAY POSSIBLY NEED TO REMOVE SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE, AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION IN HAND BEFORE THAT HISTORICAL DESIGNATION IS MOVED.
AND THAT'S OUR RESPECTFUL REQUEST TODAY.
AS AS I STATED, I THINK THAT DOING THEM TOGETHER WILL ONLY HELP, AND AS I SAID, WE INTEND TO WORK WITH YOU AND BE UNDERSTANDING IF A BUILDING NEEDED TO COME DOWN OR BE SCOOTED OVER A LITTLE BIT.
SOME OF THEM, THEM ARE QUITE SMALL IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUES.
THAT IS THE TYPE OF THING THAT THE LANDMARK COMMISSION CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND.
AND WE HAVE A VARIETY OF PROFESSIONALS ON OUR COMMISSION, INCLUDING ARCHITECTS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THESE ISSUES.
SO I, I REALLY, AGAIN, INSIST THAT WE ARE HERE TO BE YOUR FRIENDS IN THIS PROJECT WORKING TOGETHER, NOT SOME SORT OF ROADBLOCK, BUT IT IS BETTER TO HAVE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERSIGHT ALL ALONG THE WAY, LEST SOME WELL-MEANING PERSON MAKE AN UNFORTUNATE MISJUDGMENT THAT CANNOT BE UNDONE.
COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY, I KNOW YOU HAVE A, A MOTION, I HAVE A QUESTION MOTION A LITTLE BIT LATER.
UM, AND COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS, I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR HER ON WHAT YOU MAY HAVE.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN STATED, BUT COULD YOU RESTATE IT IF IT HAD, WHAT'S YOUR TIMEFRAME ON, ON GETTING YOUR, UH, DRAINAGE QUESTIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED ON WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS? WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROXIMATELY EIGHT TO NINE MONTHS TO HAVE THESE, UM, CONDITION ASSESSMENTS COMPLETED.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ECHO COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY'S COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, GOING THROUGH THE DESIGNATION PROCESS AND THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS AT THE SAME TIME.
I THINK IT CAN BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THE DESIGNATION COMMITTEE WORK WITH YOU ON THIS BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A RESOURCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THESE BUILDINGS ON THE SITE AND WHICH ONES ARE MOST, MOST IMPORTANT, WHICH ONES ARE IMPORTANT, WHICH ONES MAY NOT BE AS IMPORTANT.
SO THEY CAN REALLY HELP GUIDE THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE SITE, AND THESE CAN EASILY WORK IN TANDEM TOGETHER.
UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE WERE WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS ALONG THE WAY.
I SERVE ON THE DESIGNATION COMMISSION, UH, AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY.
AND WE HAVE WORKED WITH MANY APPLICANTS OVER THE YEARS ON CRAFTING, UH, PRESERVATION CRITERIA THAT MEET THE NEEDS OF THE, UH, OF THE APPLICANT, AS WELL AS PRESERVING THE IMPORTANT PARTS OF THE SITES OR BUILDINGS THAT WE'RE WORKING TO, TO DESIGNATE.
SO I THINK IT'S VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US TO WORK, UM, TOGETHER, UH, ON THAT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PREZI, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS PRESENT TODAY IN PERSON WITH ANY COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUESTION.
UH, FOR THE PARK REPRESENTATIVE, CAN SHE GO UP TO THE MIC AGAIN? HOW MANY STRUCTURES ARE AT OLD CITY PARK, PLEASE? I APOLOGIZE.
I'M LOOKING TOWARDS MY PROJECT MANAGER TO HELP GIMME SOME ASSISTANCE WITH THAT ANSWER.
AFTERNOON, I'M TRENT WILLIAMS. UH, DO YOU NEED TO SWEAR ME IN? UH, DO YOU PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? YES, SIR.
THE TRUTH IS, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OF STRUCTURES OUT THERE, BUT I, THEY COULD HAVE ESCAPED MY MEMORY OVER THE YEARS.
THERE'S BEEN A FEW ADDITIONS, SO I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY.
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I WOULD, UH, GUESS THERE'S SOMEBODY HERE THAT THERE WAS AN EXACT NUMBER.DID YOU SHE COULD HEAR YES, I HEARD THAT.
SO MY NEXT QUESTION WAS GOING TO BE THEN, HOW MANY STRUCTURES HAVE Y'ALL ASSESSED, UH, AS MAY THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO BE MOVED, UH, TO FIXED DRAINAGE ISSUES? WE HAVE NOT STARTED THE STUDY OF THE STRUCTURE, SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER ON HOW MANY MIGHT NEED TO BE AFFECTED BY ANY KIND OF DRAINAGE, UH, CONTROL OR, OR REPAIR TO THE, TO THE DEPARTMENT.
UH, HINOJOSA, YOU FINISHED, UM, COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS? YES, I SAID THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SWAN.
I, AND THIS A QUESTION IS ADDRESSED TO REALLY WHOMEVER, UH, FEELS HE OR SHE CAN ANSWER IT.
IT, IT SOUNDS ALMOST AS IF WE'RE CONSIDERING A PIECEMEAL DESIGNATION.
ARE WE, ARE WE LOOKING AT OLD CITY PARK BECAUSE OF ITS, UH, IMPORTANCE AS OLD CITY PARK GOING BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF ITS CREATION, BUT ARE, ARE WE CONSIDERING ALSO ITS STATUS SINCE AT LEAST THE, UH, IMPORTATION OF MILL MORTA THERE IN THE EARLY SIXTIES AS ALSO AS A BUILDING MUSEUM? SO ARE WE CONSIDERING THE ENTIRE EVOLUTION OF OLD CITY PARK FROM ITS FIRST USE AS THE PRIMARY CITY PARK TO ITS CURRENT STATUS AS A BUILDING MUSEUM? AND IF SO, WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE REMOVAL OF STRUCTURES BEFORE WE DESIGNATE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT DESIGNATION IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO TO ACKNOWLEDGE SIGNIFICANCE NOT TO, UH, MAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, IT IS NOT ABOUT EXPEDIENCY.
IT'S ABOUT ACKNOWLEDGING SIGNIFICANCE.
AND THEN I THINK, UH, WHAT WE DO IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNATION INFORMS, UM, UH, UH, WE LET THE PLACE SPEAK TO US AND TELL US WHAT IT WAS AND WHAT IT HAS BECOME AND HOW THAT IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT.
AND THEN WE LET THAT INFORM WHAT IT IS TO BECOME.
AND IT SEEMS THAT TO PUT ANYTHING, UH, ANY MATTERS OF EXPEDIENCY IN FRONT OF THAT IS, IS TO GET THE CAR BEFORE THE HORSE.
SO IF, IF ANYBODY, I MEAN, FIRST, IF ANYONE COULD JUST CLARIFY WHY WE ARE MAKING THE DESIGNATION AGAIN, I THINK I, I GET IT.
MY INTENTION IN THIS DESIGNATION WAS TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE SIGNIFICANT HISTORIC EVENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE THERE FROM ITS EARLIEST, UM, APPEARANCE.
AND THAT WOULD OF COURSE INCLUDE THE COMING OF THE RELOCATED HISTORIC STRUCTURES AS OF VILLAGE SET UP.
THERE IS AT LEAST ONE SUCH MUSEUM THAT IS NOW RECOGNIZED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER THAT'S IN COLD SPRINGS HARBOR IN CAPE FEAR IN NEW JERSEY.
AND THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT BECAUSE IT ITSELF CREATED A, UM, A, IT REPRESENTED A NEW HISTORIC MOVEMENT THAT, UM, TO TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE BY HAVING THEM GET TO VISIT A SORT OF A VILLAGE TYPE THING.
THE BUILDINGS OF THEM THEMSELVES, TWO OF THEM ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE, THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE T H C AS HISTORIC ANTIQUITIES.
SO THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO BE, UM, ADDRESSED PROPERLY THROUGH, THROUGH THE T H C BEFORE ANY CHANGES ARE MADE.
AND I, I DEFINITELY AGREE THAT THE REASON WE WANT TO START WITH ASSESSING HISTORICALLY, THE VALUE OF EACH COMPONENT OF THE PARK, WHICH IS BOTH LANDSCAPING AND BUILDINGS BEFORE ANY MAJOR CHANGES ARE MADE, IS BECAUSE WHAT IF ONE OF THOSE MAJOR CHANGES WAS INADVERTENTLY DESTRUCTIVE OF SOMETHING THAT PROVED HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT? HISTORIANS ARE NOT, UM, ILLOGICAL OR NOT UNDERSTANDING OF PRACTICAL THINGS.
UH, I ASSURE YOU I WORKED THERE FOR 15 YEARS AND WAS IN CHARGE OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDINGS ON A TEENY WEENY BUDGET.
AND I HAVE WAITED INTO THE FLOOD WATERS AND RESCUED THE ARTIFACTS AND TRIED TO FIX THE BUILDINGS AFTER THE FLOODING HAPPENED.
I UNDERSTAND THE PRACTICAL CONCERNS RELATED TO OLD CITY PARK, PERHAPS BETTER THAN ANYBODY DOES, EXCEPT THE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT JOB.
NOW, SINCE I LEFT FOUR YEARS AGO, COMMISSIONER SWAN, DID YOU HAVE YES.
AS A MOTION AND ORDER FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS ITEM? WE, WE WILL, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY HAS, UM, UH, A MOTION FOR US AFTER.
COMMISSIONER PREZI AS, AS PART OF THE DESIGNATION PROCESS, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS INDIVIDUALLY AND SEE WHEN THEY WERE MOVED TO THE SITE.
THEY'RE ALL HISTORIC IN NATURE NOW, UM, BY AGE, BUT THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY HISTORIC TO THE SITE BY WHEN THEY WERE MOVED TO THE SITE.
SO WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WHEN THEY WERE MOVED, WHAT PURPOSE THEY SERVE IN THE OVERALL EDUCATIONAL ASPECT
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OF WHAT WAS DALLAS HERITAGE VILLAGE.'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS COLLECTION OF BUILDINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE SITE FOR THAT VERY SPECIFIC PERS PURPOSE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT LIFE DURING THOSE DIFFERENT PERIODS OF TIME WHEN THOSE BUILDINGS WERE OCCUPIED AND OWNED.
UM, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE RESEARCH DONE, AND THIS IS WHAT THE DESIGNATION PROCESS WILL HELP US DO, IS TO, TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND IDENTIFY ALL OF THEM AND HOW THEY RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER AND TO THE SITE.
BUT, UH, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UH, THERE MAY BE, UH, LEVELS, UH, BUT BUT IT ISN'T, ISN'T ALSO TRUE THAT ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS WERE ASSEMBLED THERE WITH CONSIDERATION TO CREATING AN IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE, AND ALL OF THEM WERE CHOSEN AND MOVED FOR THEIR CAPACITY TO CONTRIBUTE.
THEY ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING IN THAT SENSE.
UH, BUT SOME OF THOSE MAY HAVE BEEN MOVED IN, UM, LATER THAN THE 40 YEAR TIME PERIOD THAT WE LOOK AT FOR WHAT'S HISTORIC.
SO IF THEY WERE MOVED IN AFTER THOSE 40 YEARS, THEN TECHNICALLY WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THEM HISTORIC BECAUSE THEY WERE MOVED IN AFTER, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WITH CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO, IT HAS TO BE 40 YEARS OR OLDER.
AND SO WE WOULD LOOK AT IT AS IT'S MOVED TO THE SITE BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE BUILDINGS WERE NOT IN DALLAS OR, OR, UM, LANDMARK BEFORE THEY WERE REMOVED TO THE SITE.
SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT TIME PERIOD
SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITY OF DALLAS AND CORRECT.
DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR, OR COMMENTS FOR OUR SPEAKERS? IF NOT, I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION.
COMMISSIONER SHERMAN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? NO, I HAVE A MOTION, UH, CHAIR.
UH, UM, COMMISSIONER MONTGOMERY HAS A, A MOTION THAT SHE WAS GOING TO READ WITH, I GAVE 20 YEARS OF MY LIFE TO THAT PLACE.
I WAS NOT TRYING TO USURP YOUR, UH, CONNECTION THERE.
I WAS STILL RELATING TO YOU AS THE CHAIR.
I, I, YEAH, IT, IT'S ALL COMPLICATED.
SO AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT IN THE MATTER OF 1515 SOUTH HARWOOD KNOWN AS OLD CITY PARK, THAT WE APPROVE THE INITIATION OF THIS SITE AS A CITY OF DALLAS LANDMARK AND THE ATION PROCESS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OR FIRST, IS THERE ANY, UH, DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS AROUND THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY IN OPPOSITION? RIGHT? YEAH.
NEXT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSENT ITEM ONE.
RHONDA DUNN, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CITY STAFF PRESENTING CONSENT ITEMS C ONE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1401 COMMERCE STREET.
UH, THE NAME OF THE BUILDING, BECAUSE IT'S INDIVIDUALLY LISTED, IS THE MAGNOLIA BUILDING.
THE CASE NUMBER IS CA 2 34 15 R D.
THE REQUEST ARE AS FOLLOWS, ONE.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A CANOPY AND AWNINGS ON SOUTH COMMERCE STREET AND WEST AKRON STREET ELEVATIONS OVER GROUND LEVEL OPENINGS ONLY TWO.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO, TO STOREFRONT FENESTRATION AT GROUND LEVEL, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS.
THE THIRD REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ASPHALT, A TAR LAYERED ROOFING WITH T P O MEMBRANE ROOFING AT 26TH LEVEL.
AND ON ELEVATOR PENTHOUSE FOUR, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW GLASS ROOFTOP ENCLOSURE ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE.
REQUEST NUMBER FIVE, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE UPPER LEVEL METAL RAILING WITH A SPINDLE BALLADE REQUEST SIX.
A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY ADDITION ON RIGHT EAST SIDE OF MAIN BUILDING.
REQUEST NUMBER SEVEN IS FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING.
IN OTHER WORDS, CURB EXTENSION AND GRANITE PAVERS ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDES.
STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AS FOLLOWS, THIS WILL TAKE
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A WHILE.ONE, UH, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A CANOPY AND AWNINGS ON SOUTH COMMERCE STREET AND WEST AKRON STREET ELEVATIONS OVER GROUND LEVEL OPENINGS ONLY BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 7 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER TWO, THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALTER STOREFRONT FENESTRATION AT GROUND LEVEL, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 7 20 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO CONDITION TWO OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE N P S CONDITIONS DATED 7 28 20 23 INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED BY N P SS PRIOR TO COMM COMMENCEMENT OF WORK.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION CRITERIA SECTION TWO, SUBDIVISION A TWO UNDER TREATMENT OF ALTERED PORTIONS AND SECTION FIVE SUBDIVISION D UNDER WINDOW TREATMENT AND GLAZING THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ASPHALT A TAR LAYERED ROOFING WITH T P O MEMBRANE ROOFING AT 26 LEVEL AND ON ELEVATED PENTHOUSE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 7 20 23.
THE PROPOSED WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW GLASS ROOFTOP ENCLOSURE ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 7 20 23.
BUT THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO CONDITION ONE OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CONDITIONS DATED 7 28 20 23 INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED BY NATIONAL PARK SERVICE PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF WORK.
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERIA.
SECTION ONE SUBDIVISION B PERTAINING TO EXCEPTIONS AND SECTION SIX SUBDIVISION A PERTAINING TO BUILDABLE VOLUME, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION RECOMMENDATION FIVE.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE UPPER LEVEL METAL RAILING WITH SPINDLE BALUSTRADE BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 7 20 23 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT THE REPLACEMENT BALUSTRADE MATCHED THE ORIGINAL STONE BALUSTRADE AND COLOR IN GENERAL COMPOSITION IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.
SECTION TWO, SUBDIVISION B UNDER TREATMENT OF ALTERED PRE ALTERED PORTIONS, THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE THE INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION RECOMMENDATION SIX.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY ADDITION ON RIGHT EAST SIDE OF MAIN BUILDING BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS DATED 9 7 20 23.
BUT THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO CONDITION ONE OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE N P S CONDITIONS DATED 7 28 20 23,
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INCLUDING IN THE APPLICATION BE APPROVED BY N P S PRIOR TO COMMENCEMENT OF WORK IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION WOULD ALLOW THE PROPOSED WORK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVATION CRITERION.SECTION SIX, SUBDIVISION C ACCORDING TO NO PERTAINING TO BUILDABLE VOLUME, THE STANDARDS IN CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4.501 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION.
AND FINALLY, RECOMMENDATION SEVEN THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING I E IN OTHER WORDS, A CURB EXTENSION AND GRANITE PAVERS ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDES BE APPROVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DRAWINGS AND SPECIFICATIONS.
STATED 9 7 20 23 POST WORK MEETS THE STANDARDS AND CITY CODE SECTION 51 A DASH 4 5 0 1 SUBDIVISION, G SIX C ROMAN ONE FOR CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AND THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIORS GUIDELINES FOR SETTING DISTRICT OR NEIGHBORHOOD TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL A CANOPY AND AWNINGS ON SOUTH COMMERCE STREET AND WEST AKRON STREET ELEVATIONS OVER GROUND LEVEL OPENINGS ONLY BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO ALTER STOREFRONT FENESTRATION AT GROUND LEVEL, INCLUDING THE INSTALLATION OF NEW WINDOWS AND DOORS BE APPROVED.
THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, APPLICANT TO ADDRESS CONDITION TWO OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CONDITIONS DATED 7 28 20 23 ATTACHED TO THIS APPLICATION.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE ASPHALT CAR LAYERED ROOFING WITH T P O MAN BRAIN ROOFING AT 26TH LEVEL AND ON ELEVATOR PENTHOUSE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED, OR THAT THE REQUEST FOR CERTIFICATE APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL NEW GLASS ROOFTOP ENCLOSURE ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
APPLICANT TO ADDRESS CONDITION ONE OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CONDITIONS DATED 7 28 20 23 ATTACHED TO THIS APPLICATION.
FIVE, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO REPLACE UPPER LEVEL METAL RAILING WITH A SPINDLE BALLAST TRADE BE APPROVED AS SUBMITTED.
THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY EDITION ON RIGHT EAST SIDE OF MAIN BUILDING, BE APPROVED FOR THE FOLLOWING CONDITION.
APPLICANT TO ADDRESS CONDITION ONE OF THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CONDITIONS DATED 7 28 20 23 ATTACHED TO THIS APPLICATION.
SEVEN, THAT THE REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO INSTALL SITE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING.
FOR EXAMPLE, A CURB EX EXTENSION AND GRANITE PAVERS ON THE SOUTH AND WEST SIDE TO BE APPROVED WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITION, NO STREET TREES ON ACCURATE STREET OR COMMERCE STREET.
NOTE THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED REVISIONS ADDRESSING CONDITIONS ONE AND TWO OF THE NET UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR NATIONAL PARK SERVICE CONDITIONS DATED 7 28 20 23 ATTACHED TO THIS APPLICATION.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERG PUT OUR FIRST, UM, SPEAKER PLEASE.
FOR THIS ITEM WE HAVE FELICIA SANTIAGO, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO TELL THE TRUTH TODAY? GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH GUNSLER AND I, I DO PROMISE TO TELL THE TRUTH.
I'VE ALSO BROUGHT, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL MATERIAL FOR YOU ALL TO LOOK AT, UH, ADDITIONAL IMAGES OF BOT CANOPIES AND NIES, AS WELL AS PHYSICAL SAMPLES OF MATERIALS AS WELL.
AND BEHIND ME, I DO HAVE THE TWO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS THAT WE SIGNED UP.
IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL, I'LL BRING THEM UP WITH ME SO THAT WE CAN CLARIFY AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP.
JUST GO AHEAD AND NAME ALL THE SPEAKERS ON THE SIDE OF FELICIA SANTIAGO, PATRICK PARKER, ALEJANDRO GUERRERO, AND BILL PEARSON.
AND PRIOR TO SPEAKING, IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO TELL THE TRUTH.
IT'S PATRICK PARKER, UH, PROJECT ARCHITECT.
AND I WAS SPELLED ALEJANDRO GUERRERO.
I'M ON DESIGN DIRECTOR WITH LER, ALSO AN ARCHITECT.
UM, WITH THE OWNERSHIP, DID YOU HAVE, UM, A PREPARED STATEMENT
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OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO? YOU DO HAVE THAT TIME AVAILABLE? UH, WE DO NOT.UM, BUT WE DO WANNA EXPRESS THAT WE HAVE ENJOYED WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING TO DOWNTOWN DALLAS, AND WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE WORK.
UH, SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND BEGIN WITH QUESTIONS.
COMMISSIONER ROTHENBERGER? I HAVE A FEW.
UM, I JUST NOTICED IN REVIEWING THE PRESENTATION, IT WASN'T A PART OF THE REQUEST, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS SHOWN TO BE CHANGED ON, UH, FROM THE EXISTING CONDITION, UH, TO POTENTIALLY IN THE FUTURE SHOWS THE FLAGPOLE BEING REMOVED ABOVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE, UM, AT THE POINT OF, UH, WHERE IT IS BEHIND THE MEDALLION.
AND MY RESEARCH OF SHOWING THAT TO BE A INTEGRAL PART OF THIS BUILDING SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN 1922, I WAS, UM, RENDERING SHOW FLAG POLES TO BE MOVED TO AN OUTRIGGER TYPE FASHION ON THE FACADE.
UH, IN THE FUTURE, POTENTIALLY WE NEED TO ADDRESS, UH, THAT CHANGE IF THAT'S, UH, PLANNED.
WASN'T A PART OF THIS REQUEST, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE FLAGPOLE IS, UM, IN, WAS INSTALLED IN 1922, UM, HOWEVER IT WAS REMOVED AND REPLACED IN 1998.
SO THE FLAGPOLE THAT YOU SEE THERE IS NOT THE ORIGINAL HISTORIC FLAGPOLE, BUT IT'S BEEN A PART OF A VISUAL ASPECT OF THE BUILDING SINCE THE BEGINNING, CORRECT? YES, IT HAS.
AND, UM, I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW, UM, WHAT, UH, INSPIRED THE DESIGN OF THE CANOPY, UM, AND WHAT BROUGHT ABOUT THAT KIND OF SCALLOPED DESIGN IS THAT, UH, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT WE CONSIDERED.
UM, ONE, ONE IMPORTANT ASPECT WAS TO ACHIEVE A LIGHTNESS IN, IN THAT STRUCTURE, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, FOLLOWING THE, THE USE FOR THE, FOR THE BUILDING, UH, AND, AND THE REQUIREMENT TO, FROM A BRAND, UH, THAT, THAT WILL BE OPERATING THE BUILDING TO HAVE A COVER OVER THE, THE MAIN DOOR.
UH, NOT ONLY TO SIGNAL THE ENTRANCE, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE SOME, UH, UH, COVERAGE FROM THE, FROM THE WEATHER.
AND, UM, IN, IN, IN TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT GOAL, WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UH, MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY OF THE VISUAL ASPECT OF THE, OF THE FACADE OF THE HISTORIC FACADE, SO LIGHTNESS AND ALSO CREATING A, UH, ELEMENT THAT WOULD FEEL APPROPRIATE AND, AND WOULD FEEL INTEGRATED TO THE, TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN.
UM, THE, THE, THE SCALLOP OR, OR THE WAY THAT THE, UH, CANOPY FEATHERS OUT OF THE BUILDING HAS TO DO WITH INTEGRATING A, UM, THE, THE, THE EXISTING OPENING OF, OF THE FAC OR THE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE, BUT THEN ALSO TRYING TO ACHIEVE, UH, A LARGER COVERAGE FOR, FOR THE WEATHER, FOR PEOPLE, UH, STANDING, UH, WAITING FOR, UH, UH, AN AUTOMOBILE WAITING TO BE PICKED, PICKED UP OR RIGHT BEFORE ENTERING THE BUILDING.
AND, AND IT ALSO ANTICIPATES, UH, THE, THE, THE REDESIGN OF THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING IN, IN TRYING TO CONNECT VISUALLY, UH, THE, THE AESTHETICS OF, UH, THE ASSIGNED BEING, BEING BROUGHT TO THE, TO THE BUILDING.
SO YOU WOULD SAY THE ADDING OF THIS CANOPY IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE CURRENT MOTOR COURT IS BEING TAKEN UP BY THE NEW BUILDING? YES.
SO THE EXISTING COVERED AREAS WAS ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO PROVIDING A DESIGN THAT MATCHES MORE CLOSELY THE KIND OF MORE STANDARD STREAMLINED KIND OF DESIGN FOUND ON BUILDINGS SUCH AS YOUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET OFFICE OR THE DAVIS BUILDING OR, UM, INTERURBAN BUILDING MORE FORMS OF KIND OF LINEAR STANDARD, A DESIGN THAT BEING MORE FITTING OF A BUILDING OF THE EARLY, EARLY 20TH CENTURY.
WE, WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SCHEMES, UH, ORIGINALLY, UH, LANDED ON ONE, UH, THAT, UH, TO OUR INTERPRETATION, UH, ALSO ACHIEVED A, A LOOP AND AESTHETIC THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE TO, TO THE, UH, ERA OF THE, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING.
UH, NEVERTHELESS, UH, OF COURSE USING A, WITHOUT MORE OF AN EXPRESSIVE, UH, LOOK IN, IN INCORPORATED
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CURVES THAT THAT, THAT WE PERHAPS SAW IN SOME, UH, FACADE MOTIFS.SO ARE YOU, DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN OR WE, WE, WE ORIGINALLY STARTED WITH A DESIGN THAT ACTUALLY WAS, UH, LARGER.
UH, IT WAS, IT WAS A LARGER CANOPY THAT, THAT IN WORKING CLOSELY, UH, WITH THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND, AND THROUGH, UH, ANTICIPATORY HEARINGS, UH, WE, WE, UM, WE, WE ARRIVE AT, AT THE, AT THE CURRENT DESIGN THAT, THAT YOU SEE, WHAT BODIES, UM, KIND OF GAVE YOU ENCOURAGEMENT TO GO THIS KIND OF ROUTE WITH THIS DESIGN? WAS THERE ANY SPECIFIC, UH, SO WE HAVE, UM, HAD OUR CANOPY DESIGN GO THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS FROM THE BEGINNING.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS DESIGN FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW.
THE, UH, COURTESY REVIEWS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH LANDMARK, UH, HERE, WE'VE TAKEN THOSE COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION.
UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL REVIEWS WITH C H C, UH, FOR THE TAX CREDIT PROCESS THAT WE ARE UNDERGOING.
WE'VE TAKEN THEIR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS NATIONAL PARK SERVICE.
UH, SO IT, IT HAS GONE THROUGH, UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT FORMS TRYING TO GET IT JUST RIGHT FOR THE ENTRANCE OF THIS BUILDING.
UM, YEAH, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT NOVEMBER 7TH ABOUT
I WOULD'VE BEEN VERY CURIOUS TO SEE ANY OTHER DESIGNS THAT YOU HAD IF YOU, YOU HADN'T.
UM, SO MOVING ALONG, UM, THE ADDITIONS FACADE, UH, TO THE EAST, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED SINCE THE COURTESY REVIEW, AND I'M VERY CURIOUS AS TO THE INSPIRATION FOR THAT.
THE ORIGINAL DESIGN KIND OF FOLLOWED SOME OF THE HORIZONTAL LINES, DIDN'T EXACTLY MATCH THE BUILDING, BUT DID KIND OF COMPLIMENT A LITTLE BIT.
THIS IS A VERY FAR DEPARTURE OF THAT.
CURIOUS TO KNOW HOW YOU ENDED UP THERE.
SO, UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT DID HAVE A DIFFERENT DESIGN AND JUST LIKE THE CANOPY, IT'S GONE THROUGH SEVERAL DESIGN ITERATIONS AS WELL.
AND AS WE CONTINUE TALKING WITH THE DIFFERENT PARTIES THAT, UM, ARE LOOKING AT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF THE BUILDING, WE TOOK THEIR COMMENTS AND APPLIED IT TO THE DESIGN.
WHAT YOU SEE NOW IS A COLLABORATION OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD LEADING TO A DESIGN UNDERSTANDING.
WE LOOKED CLOSELY AT THE VERTICALITY OF THIS BUILDING WANTING TO INCORPORATE THAT MORE IN AN IDEAL RATHER THAN A LITERAL TRANSLATION.
UM, WE ALSO FOLLOWED THAT SAME CONCEPT WITH THE HORIZONTAL LINES THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING OF.
AND IN TAKING THOSE, THOSE COMMENTS, APPLYING THAT TO THE DESIGN, WHAT WE CAME UP WITH AND ULTIMATELY FORWARD ON TO T H C AND NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, WE GOT REALLY GREAT POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THEM.
AND THEY'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS NEW EDITION ISN'T A REPLICA.
IT'S NOT TAKING ANYTHING LITERALLY.
AND IT GIVES A NEW GREAT CONTRAST OF HISTORIC AND NEW.
UM, UH, I, I HAD SOME FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE BRASS AT THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING, AND I WAS THE ONE WHO RAISED THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE BRASS AND LOOKED TO BRASSY.
UM, I DO LIKE THIS BRONZE COLOR THAT WAS PASSED AROUND, DEFINITELY MORE SUBDUED, AND I BELIEVE THE MECONIUM IN OPEN AIR SPACE WOULD BE BETTER HIDDEN BY THIS COLOR.
SO ANY FURTHER CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? UM, THERE WERE SOME FURTHER COMMENTS FROM THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SOME OF THE TREES THAT WERE PLACED ON THE, ON THE ROUTE.
I NOTICE IN SOME OF THE RENDERINGS THAT THERE WERE TREES STILL IN THAT OPEN AIR COURT WAS THE ULTIMATE GOAL, FOLLOWED E P SS RECOMMENDATION AND NOT HAVE THOSE THERE.
SO THE, THE OPENING AIR COURT, IS THAT THE ROOF DECK THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WITH THE POOL? WELL, BOTH THE POOL AND THE OPEN AIR, UH, THAT I BELIEVE THE N P SS DOCUMENTS STATED THERE WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS THAT TREES NOT BE VISIBLE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACROSS THE BOARD IN ALL AREAS THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE GROUND.
SO FOR THE HISTORIC BUILDING, THERE WILL BE NOTHING VISIBLE PAST
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN WAS UPDATED, REMOVED TREES POOL DECK, BUT YOU MAY HAVE SEEN HIMSELF THAT DOESN'T VISIBLE, JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT WAS PART OF THIS, UH, 'CAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE TREES ADDED TO THE AIR AIRPORT MAYBE TO TRY TO HIDE THE
AND I THINK WITH THE CHANGES IN THE BRASS, I WOULD FEEL BETTER WITH HOW THE TREES
THAT REALLY CONCLUDES MY QUESTIONS.
YOU MAY HAVE FURTHER COMMENTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM ME? COMMISSIONER SHERMAN? I HAVE A REQUEST.
UM, WE'RE ALL VISUAL LEARNERS, SOME
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OF US MORE SO THAN OTHERS, SO IT WOULD REALLY HELP, I BELIEVE IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT WRITTEN TEXTS WHILE WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT FORM AND, UH, RENDERINGS AND COLOR, IT WOULD BE FAR MORE ADVANTAGEOUS.I THINK IF WE WERE TO GET OUR VISUALS ALL IN FRONT OF US.
WE PARTICULARLY LIKE PAGE ONE 18 OF 6 0 7, ET CETERA, IF THAT'S OKAY, LISA, UH, PLEASE.
RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITION BEING MODERNISTIC AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE NOT ARCHITECTS TO DISCUSS THAT INTELLIGENTLY WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT, UM, IN FRONT OF US.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FORM AND FENESTRATION AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MO, YOU KNOW, THE ADDITION BEING A MODERNISTIC, SOLELY MODERNISTIC EXPRESSION AND NOT RELATING TO THE, THE MAGNOLIA, UM, AS IT IS, WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO WITNESS IT? IT WAS, I HAVE A QUESTION.
IT COMMISSIONER TRUMAN? IS, IS THAT ONE ADEQUATE? OKAY, COMMISSIONER? UH, YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION.
UM, N P S NATIONAL PARK SERVICE MAY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS.
UM, IS THIS THE, UH, REITERATION, IS THIS THE DESIGN BEFORE US? IS THAT CURRENTLY, IS THAT THE COMMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE BASED UPON THIS DESIGN OR IS THAT ON ANOTHER VERSION? NO, THE THE PACKAGE THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO YOU ARE THE SAME DRAWINGS THAT THE NATIONAL PARK SERVICE HAS IN HAND.
DID THEY NOT HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE, THE FISHBOWL, HUMAN FISHBOWL EFFECT THAT THE, THIS IS KIND OF CREATING? UM, DID THEY HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? YOU MEAN FROM THE ADDITION? YEAH, FROM THE ADDITION.
NO, THEY DID NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR US.
ON THE ADDITION OF THE ADDITION THAT YOU SEE IN THIS IMAGE HERE, IT DOES HIGHLIGHT THE TWO STORY BALLROOM THAT IS WITHIN IT.
COMMISSIONER MINGS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? NOT PUT TOGETHER QUITE YET.
COMMISSIONER RENELL, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, THE GROUND PLANE OR FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION IN PARTICULAR, ESPECIALLY IN COMPARISON TO THE, THE QUANTITY OF FENESTRATION AND THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
AND THIS IS IN STARK CONTRAST, BASICALLY A CLEAN PLANE, NO ARTICULATION.
THERE'S MAYBE FOUR LINES THAT ARE VERTICAL IN IT, MARKING SOME DOORS.
I ALSO REALIZE IT'S A, IT'S A, UH, IT'S A LOADING, UH, OR LOADING AREA.
HOWEVER, I MEAN, JUST IN COMPARISON TO SOME OTHER HISTORIC BUILDINGS, UH, FIRE STATIONS, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S ONE ON, UM, ON CEDAR, ON CEDAR SPRINGS, UH, A FEW BLOCKS FROM MY OFFICE.
AND, YOU KNOW, GRANTED THEIR DOORS, I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE BAY, THEY'RE BAYS FOR, FOR VEHICLES.
I REALIZE THIS ONE'S PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR TIMES THE WIDTH OF THOSE.
HOWEVER, THE ATTENTION TO, TO DETAIL AND HUMAN SCALE AT GROUND LEVEL IN PARTICULAR, LET ALONE THE FISHBOWL EFFECT UP ABOVE THAT, IT SEEMS TOO FAR IN CONTRAST TO ME PERSONALLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WITH ANYTHING DEPICTING, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, A BREAKDOWN SCALE, HUMAN SIZE, UM, AND I'M ASSUMING THIS IS PROBABLY 12 TO 15 FEET TALL AND PROBABLY 40, 50 FEET WIDE WITH, WITH VIRTUALLY NO FENESTRATION IS, IS TOO STARK FOR, FOR ME.
UM, IN YOUR INVESTIGATION OF, OF THE DETAILING OF THAT, UM, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEEN THE PROGRESS OF, WHAT'S BEEN THE, UH, THE ANALYSIS OF THAT AND WHY IS IT SO STARK? UH, WHILE WE DISCUSSED THIS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO, UM, MOVE THE PAGE TO FURTHER INTO THE PACKAGE? WE DO HAVE A DRAWING THAT HIGHLIGHTS THIS AREA, IF YOU WILL.
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OKAY.WHERE YOU WANT TO GO? SO THIS LOOKS LIKE THE BEGINNING OF OUR PACKAGE WITH EXISTING PHOTOGRAPH, UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO IF YOU SCROLL TO THE, UM, PROBABLY TOWARDS THE END, YES.
UM, LET'S TRY IN THE, UH, A 100 AREA, WE CAN JUST ELEVATIONS A BIT TOO FAR.
I'LL, I'LL SCALE IT BACK TO, YEAH, YOU GO AHEAD.
IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST SCROLLING OVER TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THIS IS A GOOD ELEVATION FOR US TO LOOK AT.
SO THIS ELEVATION SHOWS THE COMMERCE STREET SAW, UM, HIGHLIGHTING THE ADDITION WITH THE LOADING DOCK AT GROUND LEVEL.
AND I'LL MENTION BEFORE I HAND IT OFF TO, UH, ONE OF MY DESIGN TEAMMATES HERE, UH, THAT THE LOADING DOCK DOORS HAVE ALSO GONE THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS.
WE'VE LISTENED TO, UM, MANY FOLKS WITH THEIR ADVICE ON HOW TO DESIGN THIS, HOW IT WOULD LOOK AT STREET LEVEL, UH, WALKING PAST IT.
AT ONE POINT IT DID LOOK LIKE, UH, TRUE LOADING DOCK DOORS.
AND, UH, WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO PROGRESS OUR DESIGN FURTHER.
UH, SO THIS IS OUR, OUR ULTIMATE DESIGN, BUT I'LL, I'LL ALLOW MY COMMIT TO
AND, AND OF COURSE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS, IS, IS A CONCLUSION OR AT LEAST A PRELIMINARY CONCLUSION OF, OF A LONG, LONG PROCESS, LONG DESIGN PROCESS.
AND, UH, HERE WE ARE REPRESENTING A MUCH LARGER TEAM THAT INCLUDES BOTH OWNERSHIP, UH, ALTHOUGH DESIGN DISCIPLINES AND, UH, IMPORTANTLY TO THE, THE HOTEL BRAND.
UM, THE, UM, IN, IN THE EVOLUTION OF THIS DESIGN, WE SAW A, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH A POINT IN TIME FOR THIS EXPANSION.
AND IN REVIEWING INITIAL, UH, EXPLORATIONS, UH, BOTH WITH THE CITY AND WITHIN THE THE SIGN TEAM, WHAT WE DECIDED ON, UH, WAS TO, UH, GO FOR A DESIGN THAT WOULD, UH, MORE, MORE CLOSELY EXPRESS, UH, CURRENT, CURRENT POSSIBILITIES, UH, WITH THE DESIGN, WITH TECHNOLOGY AND, AND, AND DESIGN TECHNOLOGY.
AND, UM, ALTHOUGH WE TOOK HINTS OR WE KEPT HINTS OF THE, OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IN, IN THE WAY OF ESTABLISHING A DATE LINE OR, OR CARRYING THROUGH DATE LINES, AS YOU SEE ON THE TOP CORNERS AND ON THE, ON THE LOCATION OF THE GROUND LEVEL, UH, FENESTRATION, UH, OPENING, UH, WE, WE DECIDED TO REMOVE THE, THE REMAINDER DETAIL, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS ALSO GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO MIMIC, UH, A BUILDING THAT THAT WAS, UH, DESIGNED AND CONCEIVED MORE, MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS AGO.
SO IN A WAY, IT'S, UH, CELEBRATING THE EXISTING BUILDING, UH, LOOKING TO ELEVATE BOTH THE BUILDING AND ITS SURROUNDING, UH, CONTEXT, BUT DOING IT IN A, IN A WAY THAT IT'S CONTEMPORARY AND IT SPEAKS, UH, MORE CLOSELY TO DAYS, UH, WAY OF THINKING ABOUT ARCHITECTURE AND DESIGN.
UH, THE OTHER, UH, IMPORTANT THING TO MENTION IS, UM, ON THE, UH, THE, THE LARGE FORMAT WINDOW IS, IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE SAW ON, ON RETHINKING THE WAY THAT THIS TYPES OF CASES, UH, OCCUR, UH, OCCURRED, UH, BOTH IN THE CITY AND, AND IN MANY PLACES WHERE BIG EVENTS ARE, ARE, ARE HELD, UH, BEHIND, UH, BEHIND DOORS ARE NOT TYPICALLY NOT EXPOSED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, TYPICALLY SPACES THAT ARE, UM, NOT, UH, NATURALLY LIT AND, AND KIND OF HIDDEN FROM THE, FROM THE PUBLIC REAL.
AND HERE WE SAW THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE THE CITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY BY FACING, UH, LARGE WINDOWS BOTH ON THIS FACADE AND ON THE, UH, PEGA PARK FACADE.
AND GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS EVENTS TO OPEN UP TOWARDS THE CITY AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE PRIVATE, UM, EVENTS TAKING PLACE.
UM, AND, AND AT THE SAME TIME, OFFERING THIS, BUILDING AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A UNIQUE SPACE
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THAT, UH, WHEN YOU THOUGHT ABOUT, UH, HOSTING AN EVENT IN, IN THIS PLACE, YOU, YOU NOT ONLY, UH, WERE HOSTING A MEETING IN THE CITY IN DALLAS, BUT LITERALLY ENGAGING THE CITY OF DALLAS AS A BACKGROUND, AS A BACKDROP TO, TO THOSE, UH, TO, TO THAT EVENT.AND LASTLY, TOUCHING ON THE BOTTOM ON THE GROUND FLOOR.
UH, AGAIN, UH, THROUGH A SERIES OF DIFFERENT ITERATIONS, I THINK THE DECISION WAS MADE TO, UH, TO, UH, NOT CALL TOO MUCH ATTENTION TO THIS, TO THE, TO THE LARGE FORMAT DOORS TO ALLOW THE LOADING DOCK TO HAPPEN BEHIND.
ALSO, ALSO THE REQUIREMENT, UH, AS, AS, UH, AS BEEN STATED HERE, HAS TO DO WITH BEING ABLE TO OPERATE AND TO, UH, FACILITATE, UH, LOADING AND UNLOADING, UH, DELIVERIES AND, AND REMOVAL OF, OF TRASH.
UH, AND ALTHOUGH THERE'S, UH, THERE'S SIMPLE LINES AND SIMPLE DESIGN, WHAT WE DID TRY TO DO WAS TO MAINTAIN A HIGH QUALITY, UH, MATERIAL PALLET, UH, IN, IN OTHER WORDS, BUT WE'RE THINKING IS THAT THE SAME BRASS, UH, FINISH THAT, THAT YOU HAVE ELSEWHERE, UH, IN THE PROJECT, BOTH IN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND, AND ON THE ADDITION, YOU, YOU WOULD SEE HERE AND THE, THE, THE ENTIRE GROUND FLOOR AS, AS YOU SEE IT HERE ON THIS FACADE, WOULD BE CLAD WITH THE SAME STONE THAT IT'S USED IN THE BUILDING.
SO EVEN THE GARAGE, UH, DOOR THAT THAT OPENS UP TO ALLOW FOR DELIVERIES WOULD BE CLAD, UM, WITH, WITH THE INDIANA LIMESTONE, THAT, THAT IT'S, THAT THAT WAS USED IN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND THE ANY DETAIL WOULD COME FROM THAT, THAT TEXTURE.
UH, AND THAT COMBINATION OF MATERIALS.
AND THEN VERY SLA, VERY SUBTLE, UM, JOINT, JOINT WARD, UH, IN THE STONE, UH, TO BE USED.
NO, I APPRECIATE THE, UM, THE LIKENESS OF MATERIALS, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR VERTICAL PROPORTIONS, HOWEVER, IT'S JUST THE WAY THE BUILDING MEETS THE GROUND, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT WAS BUILT IN 1900 OR IN 2020, UM, THE BUILDING STILL MEETS THE GROUND AND IN THE, IN THE, THE HISTORIC BUILDING OR THE HOTEL IT IS EXISTS TODAY.
I MEAN, IT ACKNOWLEDGED THE SIZE OF A HUMAN BEING NEXT TO IT.
UM, AND, AND YOUR PROPOSAL IN MY MIND DOES NOT, UM, IT RESPONDS TO THE SIZE OF A TRUCK AND NOT THE SIZE OF A PERSON.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, MATERIALS.
UM, I MEAN, YOU EVEN MADE AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF, OF PUTTING A, A PLANTER IN FRONT OF A, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME SIZE PLANTER AS IN FRONT OF THE OTHER WINDOWS, WHICH MEANS, YEAH, THERE IS, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR SOMEONE BEING NEXT TO THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE APPRECIATING SOMETHING GREEN AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME SIZE, BUT, UM, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT IT, ABOUT THIS DESIGN.
COMMISSIONER RNA, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENT? COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CUMMINGS? DID YOU, YEAH, JUST SOMETHING BRIEF, UM, SINCE WE'RE EXPOSED SEEMINGLY TO ALL OF THE, TO A LOT OF THE FRONT OF THE FINISH, WHAT'S ON THE INTERIOR? DO WE HAVE THAT THE FINISHES BROKE DOWN FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE, LOOKING THROUGH THIS FISHBOWL, UM, BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE INTERIOR FINISHES SEEMS TO COME INTO PLAY SINCE IT'S SO EXPOSED.
SO THOSE FINISHES WOULD BE JUST ABOUT AS IMPORTANT AS SOME OF THE FINISHES ON THE EXTERIOR, SINCE IT'S THIS BIG OPEN WINDOWS ALSO EXPOSED.