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TODAY

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IS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 5TH, 2023.

IT'S 9 0 4 COMMISSION AS ALWAYS.

A COUPLE MORE QUICK ITEMS. UH, THIS IS A BRIEFING AND IT'S STRICTLY A TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM TWO STAFF.

WE'LL KEEP ALL OUR, OUR COMMENTS FOR THE HORSESHOE THIS AFTERNOON.

UH, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME TO YOU FROM INSURANCE, MR. CALL.

MR. WELCOME.

WE ALL VERY MUCH, UH, AFFORD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND HELP YOU THAT LEARNING CURVE, WHICH I THINK YOU MAY NOT BE AS STEEP AS FOR YOUR NORMAL NEW COMMISSION.

COMMISSION.

UH, WE HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER ALL CAME FROM ZAC AND COMMISSIONER SMA.

SPENT PLENTY OF TIME AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

UH, SO BOTH OF THEM KNOW KIND OF WHAT WE DO AND NOT FOR.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONERS WILL GET STARTED ON THE DOCKET.

MISCELLANEOUS ITEM WE DO PER, UH, REQUEST THE BRIEFING FOR REQUESTERS.

ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT, UH, DEVELOPMENT PLAN? CASE NUMBER ONE? DOES ANYONE THAT'S, I'M JUST CURIOUS.

THERE'S A U-SHAPED DRIVEWAY THROUGH THAT PUPPY.

IS IT ONE WAY? DOES IT MATTER? IT'S ONE WAY.

DOES THAT, THAT TRAFFIC ? UM, WELL IT IS, IT'S 26 FEET, SO IT'S TWO WAY.

SO IT'S ALSO A FIRE LANE AS WELL.

AND SO WE WORK WITH THE, UH, FIRE REVIEWER TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS IN COMPLIANCE SO THE FIRE TRUCK CAN GIVE YOU THE PROPERTY IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THE SECOND BUILDING AND GET BACK AROUND.

BUT IT'S A TWO RACE, IT'S TWO.

YES.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

OBVIOUSLY IT'S TRIGGERING OUR, AND IT LOOKS LIKE CREATED SOME SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, SIGNIFICANT ISSUES TO LANDSCAPE, UH, BECAUSE THAT'S, AM I READING THAT RIGHT? LOOK LIKE THAT WEST? OKAY.

SO YES SIR.

TO THE WEST THERE IS A R SEVEN FIVE THAT WE DID WORK WITH THE ARBORS AND SO, UH, THEY'RE PROVIDING A FENCE AND ALSO THEY COMPLIANCE WITH THE LANDSCAPING FOR THAT PARKING AND FOR THAT USE ALONG RESIDENTIAL S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMERS OR WOULD ANYONE LIKE THIS ITEM BRIEF ZONING CASES? UH, FIRST CASE UNDER ADVISEMENT, UH, JANUARY THREE 18.

HAVE MEETING DATES FOR THE 24TH.

WHAT'S THE 2ND OF JANUARY? NOT YET.

WE'RE WAITING FOR COUNCIL TO VOTE THEIR AGENDA AND AFTER DATE, THEIR DATES WE GREAT.

SO WE'LL HAVE A, THE SECOND ONE.

UH, THE NEXT CASE HAS BEEN BEFORE, NO, NO CHANGES.

ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMISSIONS? NUMBER THREE, UH, CASE NUMBER FOUR HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THAT CASE AND THEN TURNING OFF MY VIDEO.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER YOUNG.

THIS, UH, THIS CASE HAS BEEN BRIEFED BEFORE.

IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, THIS MEETING WOULD BE WITH US AT 10:00 AM WILL THERE BE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? NO QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

LET'S SEE, UH, NUMBER FIVE WILL BRIEF TODAY.

YES.

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CASE NUMBER C 2 3 1 9 7.

UM, IS A DOUBLE REQUEST FOR IS ONE JOURNALS ONLY CHANGE TO A P ONE BIGGER CONTROL OVERLAY AND A SPECIFIC, A NEW SPECIFIC EXPERIMENT FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN CONJUNCTION WITH A GENERAL MERCHANDISE OR FOOD STORE THAT IS LESS THAN 3,500 SQUARE FEET.

THE PROPERTY IS NOW IS ON CR COMMUNITY RETAIL AND HAS A D CONTROL OVERLAY AND IT'S ON THE SOUTH LINE OF JACOB, UH, LAKE JUNE ROAD, EAST OF NORTH AND ROAD.

AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 20 ACRES.

UM, IT'S LOCATED IN SOUTHEAST DALLAS.

UM, YOU CAN SEE ON THE AREA, UM, IT IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM, UH, THE CITY LIBRARY.

IT IS, UM, ON THE SAME SIDE.

WE HAVE ANOTHER RESTAURANT, SOME VACANT BUILDINGS, UH, ON BOTH SIDES.

A RESTAURANT IN THE BACK.

SO IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A PORTION OF A RETAIL CORNER WITH THE LIBRARY FOR THE BACK.

THERE IS A MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE ZONING MAP THE AREAS IN RED ARE THE ONES THAT ARE D MEANING THAT ALCOHOL SALES CANNOT HAPPEN.

THE ONE IN BLUE ARE D ONE MEANING ALCOHOL SALES CAN HAPPEN WITH SUBJECT TO APPROVAL OF SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE A DOUBLE REQUEST IN FRONT OF US TODAY.

THERE IS ANOTHER S U P DIAGONALLY TO THE SOUTH THAT HAS ALCOHOL SALES.

UH, THIS IS THE PROPERTY, UM, STRAIGHT ACCESS FROM LAKE JUNE ROAD.

IT'S ONLY THE FRONT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK IS VACANT.

VACANT, UH, TO THE EAST OF THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, THERE IS A RESTAURANT, A LARGER VIEW OF THE CORNER, THE LIBRARY ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, THIS IS THE BEHIND ON ST.

AUGUSTINE ROAD, THE UM, LIQUOR SALES.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

UM, IT HAS, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING, IT'S ALL EXISTING CONDITIONS, NO CHANGES.

THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING TO TOUCH THE SITE IN ANY WAY OTHER THAN JUST UTILIZE THE BUILDING.

UH, THEY DIDN'T OPEN THEIR BUSINESS YET, BUT THEY ARE PLANNING TO OPEN THIS, UH, GENERAL MERCHANDISE STARTING WHOLESALE IMMEDIATELY.

THEY DIDN'T PULL PERMITS OR COS OR ANYTHING.

UH, THE S U P CONDITIONS ARE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THE USE THE SITE PLAN, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR TWO YEARS AND THIS IS WHAT THE, UH, UH, APPLICANT REQUESTED AND NORMAL MAINTENANCE AND GENERAL REQUIREMENTS.

UM, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD OF SUBJECT TO SITE AND CONDITIONS.

QUESTION IS, IS BUSINESS.

WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS IS THIS? IS IT A CONVENIENCE STORE OR IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE? YES.

YES.

IT, WE CALL THE GENERAL MERCHANDISING FOOD STORE BECAUSE THEY CAN, UM, DO SALES OF A LOT OF THINGS AND IT'S SMALLER.

IT'S A SMALL, IT'S THE SMALLEST PACK THAT'S UNDER 3,500.

OKAY.

THE SALE OF ALCOHOL IS THE ONE THAT QUESTIONS INDIVIDUAL CASES BEING CASE NUMBER SIX.

YOU WANT ME TO, THIS IS, OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

C 2 2, 3 1 0 6 IS LOCATED UNIT, UH, SCOTT

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J UM, SOUTHWEST PART OF THE STATE AND IT'S AN APPLICATION FOR ONE A C AS A COMMERCIAL SERVICE DISTRICT.

RESTRICTIONS VOLUNTEERED BY THE APPLICANT AND TO A SPECIFIC USE CURRENT OF MOTOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON THE PROPERTY ZONE, A A AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT ON THE SOUTHEAST LINE TELEPHONE ROAD DETERMINES EVENT ON DRIVE.

THE AREA OF REQUEST IS 5.3 ACRES.

THE FIRST OF THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING ON THE SITE.

HERE'S AN AREA MAP OF THE SITE, UH, AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

AND SO CURRENTLY ZONED I, UM, A AGRICULTURAL AS IS MUCH OF THE SOUTH PART OF THE BLOCK.

SO THE E EXCUSE ME, TO THE WEST BASED AGRICULTURAL USES.

CEDAR VALLEY COLLEGE IS FURTHER, UH, TO THE SOUTH AND THERE'S A NATURAL AREA BEHIND THE SITE, UH, TO THE EAST.

THERE IS FROM SOUTH OCCUPATION, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT, OUTSIDE MACHINERY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCK SALES AND SERVICE.

UH, BUT COULDN'T CONFIRM BECAUSE THERE'S NO C E O FOR THAT NEWS.

UM, AGRICULTURAL TO THE EAST, WELL, UH, NATURAL AREA TO THE NORTH, KIND OF UP THE CREEK FROM THIS SITE.

THERE'S A SINGLE FAMILY DIRECTLY ACROSS TELEPHONE FROM THIS SITE AND THEN CATTY CORNER, UH, THERE'S A WAREHOUSE AT THIS TIME.

MICHAEL, CAN YOU SEE THE PRESENTATION? NO, WE'RE SHARING, SO WE'RE SHARING JUST IN THE ROOM ABOUT THAT.

I WAS LOOKING AT THIS.

THERE WE GO.

YOU CAN SEE IT NOW.

OKAY, UP.

THANK YOU.

IF ANY INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE, I'VE GONE BACK OVER ON BEHALF TO, SO, UM, SO SUBJECT PARCEL IS AN UNDEVELOPED 5.348 LOT PROPOSED USES ARE COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING AND MACHINERY, HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCKS SALES AND SERVICE.

THE LAW WILL BE ACCESSED FROM TELEPHONE ROAD.

PROPOSED USE OF COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT, THE CS THAT'S PROPOSED, UH, BUT REQUIRES AN S U P WITHIN PATTERN REVIEW.

RESIDENTIAL ZONING, UH, AS BLOCKED MANUALLY CONSISTS OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND U CASE REQUIRED IN ADDITION TO THE GENERAL ZONING CHAIN AND THE PROPERTY SURROUNDS THE GENERATED CULTURAL RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER.

ALRIGHT, YOU CAN GET TO THE SIDE.

SO HERE'S THE SIGN.

I'M LOOKING SOUTH ON OF TELEPHONE ROAD AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

IT'S A LITTLE FARTHER DOWN TELEPHONE ROAD AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

AND THAT'S ONE MORE VIEW PART OF SOUTH SOUTHWEST WEST AND THEN THE NEXT LOT, UH, TO THE, TO THE WEST AS WELL.

I BOTH THE LOT TURNING AROUND.

I'M LOOKING, UM, UP THE TELEPHONE ROAD AT SEVEN WAREHOUSE THAT EXISTS TODAY.

MOVING UP, THAT'S THE INTERSECTION OF VAN FOUR DRIVE AND TELEPHONE.

UM, LOOKING NORTH, YOU CAN SEE TREE AREA ON THE RIGHT.

UH, SMALL SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION, UH, IN THERE NOW KIND OF FLIPS ALONG.

UM, GOING UP TELEPHONE ROAD, THIS IS THE CREEK THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE SITE.

THIS IS THE SIDE TO THE EAST TURNED ADD AND TO THE NORTH THERE'S SORT OF THAT CREEK WAY, UM, THAT IS FURTHER UP THE CREEK, UH, SUBJECT SIDE.

SO WHEN WE GET ON DOWN TO THE SITE PLAN, UH, YOU CAN SEE IT, THE LOT ITSELF IS, UM, CONCORDS TO THE CREEK AND SO THEY PROPOSE A CYCLING, UM, THAT SORT OF MATCHES THAT.

UH, BUT GENERALLY YOU HAVE ENTRANCES FROM TELEPHONE ROAD, UM, MECHANIC PHASE, UH, COMMERCIAL TRUCK PARKING SPOTS AND UH, ADDITIONAL SPOTS IN THE REAR.

UH, THEN THEY ENTER AND EXIT OFF OF ROAD.

UH, SO MOST OF THAT CENTRAL PARKING, A UPDATE OF MAINTENANCE AREA, MAINTEN EXIT PARKING AREA.

AND SO THEY HAVE S P COMPONENT OF IT.

MULTIPLE COMPONENTS TO THIS AND I HAVE TYPICAL CONDITIONS.

THEY'RE REQUESTING FIVE YEARS WITH OTHER RENEWAL AND THEY'RE REQUESTING OPERATIONS BETWEEN SIX AND 9:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.

UH, INGRESS, EGRESS HAS LAN, WHICH IS FROM TELEPHONE.

THERE'S TWO.

AND OFFICER PARKING HAS LOCATED ON THE

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SITE PLAN AND, UH, REQUIRING A SIX FOOT MINIMUM HIGH OFFENSE.

AND THOSE, IS THAT NOT IT FOR THE CONDITIONS STANDARD? AS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, UH, WE HAVE THE EXISTING AG ZONING, UM, AND STANDARDS.

I CAN HIGHLIGHT ANY ONE OF THOSE IF NECESSARY.

UH, BUT GENERALLY CS IS A, A MORE, UH, INTENSE DISTRICT THAN, THAN THE AG IN TERMS OF LOT SIZES, SETBACKS AND COVERAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

NOW I RECOGNIZE THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO READ , UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO HIGHLIGHT ANYTHING, BUT I COULD NOT THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO PRESENT THIS OTHER THAN THE CHARTS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE REPORT.

UM, THIS IS ALREADY IN THE REPORT, UM, BUT IT IS A LITTLE BIT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT TRICKY, BUT WE HAVE OUR AG USES PRETTY LIMITED TO RESIDENTIAL, RESIDENTIAL KIND OF, UH, ADJACENT USES.

UM, CSS IS FUNCTIONALLY ALIKE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, AND THEN THE CSS WITH THE DR TAKES OUT, UM, GENERALLY AS THE REPORT STATES ALL THAT I I THINK IT'S SIX OR SIX OR EIGHT, UH, PERMANENT USES.

SO THEY CUT DOWN THE USES IN THE CR, UM, TO ONLY A FEW FULL-TIME USES CREATING A PRETTY PRESCRIPTIVE DISTRICT.

I I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE READING THIS, BUT ANY PARTICULAR USE WE CAN FIND LIKE HAPPY TO, UH, BUT IT IS IN THE REPORT, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS FOR ME TO COME BACK AND BE REFERRED TO MORE THAN ANYTHING.

SO, UH, SELF RECOMMENDATION IS NILE.

UM, WE FOUND THAT BASED ON THE SURROUNDING CHARACTER, UM, THE ASPECT OF THE SITE, UH, WE ON CREEK WE LOCATED GENERALLY ADJACENT TO AND RESIDENTIAL, UH, FOR A SIGNIFICANT DISTANCE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION AND, UH, THE POTENTIAL FOR IMPACTS IN EITHER THE PROPOSED S U P USE OR OTHER UH, CS BASE CASES.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS YOU DO THANK MR. P QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER, WHAT MR. P HOW ARE YOU THIS MORNING? MORNING.

UM, YOU, YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL DUTY RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE UH, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT THAT REVIEW BUFFER AROUND THE UM, CREEK? I'M NOT AWARE OF THOSE AGAINST.

OKAY.

UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT ALSO, UH, WE'RE HOLDING THIS CASE FOR TWO FOR AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THE 19TH? UH, YES UNTIL JUST ONE.

OKAY.

I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.

THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ACROSS THE STREET, HOW ROUGHLY HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE IN THERE? GO BACK.

I'M GONNA NEED TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE TO, TO MAKE IT OUT.

UH, THERE'S A NUMBER OF LOTS, NOT ALL OF 'EM BEING OCCUPIED.

YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THERE, YOU CAN MAKE OUT FOUR LOTS.

I THINK FOUR OF 'EM ARE LOTS.

THERE'S PROBABLY FIVE LOTS THERE, BUT I THINK FOUR OF THEM ARE BUILT OUT WITH HOMES AND THAT'S DIRECTLY .

YEAH, YOU CAN SEE THE LOTS AND THEIR HOMES HERE AND THOSE ARE GOING TO ADD, UH, A VETERAN BED THAT THEY HAVE SMALL, THEY'RE ZONED TO ADD AND USE A SINGLE FAMILY.

I BE THAT THAT LOT SIZES ARE AS THEY, ARE THEY IZATION OR ZONING? SO THE SINGLE FAMILY IS THE USE, NOT THE UNDERLYING DOMAIN.

AGRICULTURE AGRI, A AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT IS A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT AND IT'S FILED IN ALL THE OTHER SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS.

UM, IT, ITS PRIMARY USE IS SINGLE FAMILY PLUS CROP PROTECTION LIVESTOCK.

AND, AND THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE WAS, IS THERE ANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION? UH, THE RESIDENTIAL I CHECKED THIS MORNING, UM, AND I HAVE TWO LETTERS.

OPPOSITION, THERE'S A RULE OF THUMB, UH, THE DAY BEFORE CITY GRANT COMMISSION, SO OUR DEADLINE FOR RECEIVING ALL OF THOSE ARE THE LETTERS THAT ARE SENT BY US, THE REPLY FORMS, IT'S UH, IS NOON THE DAY BEFORE.

AND RIGHT AFTER THAT WE CREATE THE PACKAGE WE CALL THE P O N AND WE SEND IT TO YOU.

SO RARELY THE PLANNER HAS TO DO WITH THAT, BUT THEY COME STRAIGHT TO YOU.

AND IF YOU RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT NOTIFIED AND JUST WANTED TO SEND YOU AN EMAIL WHO FORWARD, I JUST HAPPEN TO HAVE TIME TODAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, THAT WAS ONE OF

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MY QUESTIONS.

AND SO IT IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING STILL ADDING THE RECURRENT USE OF SINGLE FAMILY AND THAT ADJACENT TO THAT, IS THAT LINE INDUSTRIAL? IS THAT WHAT I SEE ON THE ZONING MAP ON EACH SIDE OF YOU'RE SEEING, UM, YOU ARE SEEING ZOOM OUT AND WE SPECIALIZED AND OKAY, SO THE SOUTH SIDE, THE TELEPHONE ROAD, UM, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN THE, IN THIS HILL, THIS IS OWNED IN AG NORTH SIDE IS SORT OF A PANHANDLE OF AG AND THAT'S, UH, USED WITH SINGLE FAMILY AND THEN TO THE SOUTH EAST OR TO THE SOUTHWEST AND NORTHEAST OF THAT YOU'RE SEEING L ALLIS ZONING? YES, ON THE NORTH SIDE.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

IT'S A PRETTY BIG ROAD THOUGH.

AND THE SECOND QUESTION, IT WAS THE OTHER ONE I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER BLAIR MENTIONED, WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION THE STAFF REVIEWED THIS? I UNDERSTAND IT'S DENIED, BUT IF IT WAS TO MOVE FORWARD BUFFERING OF THE CREEK AND HOW THE CREEK MIGHT BE TREATED, THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE.

I JUST NEED A QUESTION.

IF THAT WAS ANYTHING THAT CAME THROUGH THE STAFF ROOM, I THINK THAT THAT COULD, THAT COULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WENT IN, AS YOU'VE SEEN IN THE DOCKET.

UM, ISSUES WITH THE, WITH WITH GETTING THE GOALS OF C A I LISTED IN THE DACA AS AS RELATED.

RIGHT.

UM, HOWEVER, WE MUST KEEP IN MIND THIS IS NOT ONLY AN S U P APPROVAL, THIS IS ALSO A C ASS BASE DISTRICT APPROVAL, WHICH IT IMPLIES A DEGREE OF UNCERTAINTY BUT MAY NOT BE ONLY, UM, P AND LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN 'CAUSE THEY'LL BE BY PIECES.

SO WITH THAT IN MIND, KNOWING THAT THERE'S LI TO THE NORTH OF TELEPHONE ROAD, WAS THERE A DIFFERENT DISTRICT THAT WOULD BE MORE COMPATIBLE AND MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA PLAN VISION FOR THE AREA? THERE IS NOT A LESS INTENSE WAY TO DO THIS KIND OF USE HERE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

YOU MR. UM, I NOTICED IN YOUR, IN YOUR, YOUR CASE REPORT, UM, THAT YOU NOTIFIED US THAT THERE WERE NO, UM, RECENT ZONING CHANGES WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

BUT IS IT NOT CORRECT THAT THIS PARTICULAR, WELL, THIS I, THAT I HAVE APPROVED, I I'VE HAD THREE CASES WITHIN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS OF WHICH ONE IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IS LOCATED AND THAT C P C AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT FOR A WAREHOUSE AND THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THAT MR. BALD, MR. BALDWIN RIGHT THERE, UM, WORKED ON THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN I THINK AT THIRTY NINE TWENTY FIVE TELEPHONE ROAD COUNSEL INCLUDED ON THE 7TH OF MARCH IN WHICH WE ARE PUTTING A WAREHOUSE SITE THERE WITH ADDITIONAL BUFFERING THE, FOR THAT RESIDENTIAL, THAT ZONING CASE 2 1 2 3 2 3.

SO AS, AS WE DISCUSSED, I GOT A SLIDE READ THIS ON I HONOR, I, I KNOW THAT YOU SAID IT'S OUTSIDE OF YOUR NOTIFICATION AREA, BUT IT'S STILL WITH, IT STILL LENDS CRED TO THE POINT I'M GOING TO GET TO IS TO GIVE ME SOME TIME TO GET THERE.

OKAY.

I'M NOT , UM, BUT I HUNG AROUND SOME OF THEM ENOUGH.

WELL, NEVER ENOUGH .

THAT COULD BE DANGEROUS.

I KNOW.

UM, AND THERE, THERE WAS A, A CASE Z 2 1 2 0 1 1 49 THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL MAY 11 2 1 2.

THAT'S AT THIRTY THREE SIXTY TELEPHONE ROAD THAT IS A SS U P FOR COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING AND THAT THERE IS A CASE Z 2 0 1 3 45 THAT WAS APPROVED ONE 11, UM, 22, UH, WHICH WAS CS, WHICH IS RIGHT THERE AT TELEPHONE ROAD IN TRAVIS TRAIL.

THAT IS ROBERT'S TRUCK IN THIRTY NINE EIGHTEEN TELEPHONE ROAD THAT WAS APPROVED AS, LIKE I SAID, APPROVED 1 11 22.

THE ONLY CASE THAT I, THAT BE DENIED BASED ON RESIDENTIAL USE IS THE ONE THAT WAS ON TRAVIS TRAIL THAT WAS FURTHER DOWN THAT THAT

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IMPACTED NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL LONG TRAVEL TRAIL.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT? YES, YES.

THAT ONE, THAT ONE WAS.

AND IS IT NOT TRUE THAT THE RESIDENT THAT IS RIGHT THERE, UH, UM, THAT MR. UH, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? BALD BALDWIN , UM, THAT WE WORKED ON THAT HAS, UH, LAND USE VIOLATIONS AND THE ONE, LIKE HE SAID, THERE IS NO CO FOR THE, THE ADJACENT MONTE EAST, THE ADJACENT MOCK TO EAST AND THAT THERE WAS A CASE THAT WAS JUST WEST OF THAT SUNBURG TRUCKING.

THAT IS IT THAT IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS ANOTHER WAREHOUSE.

UM, IS IT NOT ALSO, UH, EVIDENT THAT THE LARGEST WAREHOUSE THAT IS A DISTRIBUTION CENTER THAT WAS JUST BUILT WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS IS KROGER DISTRIBUTION CENTER, WHICH IS RIGHT AT THE END OF THE CORNER OF TELEPHONE ROAD AND THAT THIS TYPE OF THE LAND THAT THIS AREA, IS IT NOT TRUE? THIS AREA IS IN TRANSITION ONE FROM AG RESIDENTIAL, UM, AND TO A ONE SUPPORTED THE PD 7 61, WHICH IS THE UNION COURT, WHICH IS SUPPORTIVE OF ALL WAREHOUSING AND TRUCKING USES.

IS THAT NOT TRUE? I ABSOLUTELY ACKNOWLEDGE THE NUMBER OF CASES.

UM, FURTHER UP TELEPHONE ROADS, THE EAST THAT IS INTERSECTION OF MON VIEW AND, UH, TELEPHONE ROAD.

UM, SOME OF THE MAXES FROM THAT, SOME OF THE MAXES FROM TELEPHONE, UH, ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE CREEK.

UH, HOWEVER, IN OUR ANALYSIS, LOTS ARE PRETTY BIG OUT HERE, RIGHT? UH, DISTANCE LOOKS, DISTANCE IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN MAY ON PATH HERE.

UH, SO THIS WAS A SIGNIFICANT STRETCH IN, IN OUR ANALYSIS OF CONSISTENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURALLY USED LAND, UM, AND AGRICULTURALLY LAND IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT.

UM, ZONING OR SINGLE FAMILY, UH, USE THE, UH, TYPICAL USES OF AG ON, UH, SO WE SAW IT AS A, AS A SIGNIFICANT STRETCH, UM, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TELEPHONE.

UM, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT THE DISTANCE, THE WHICH OF TELEPHONE ROAD BEING SIGNIFICANT MAKES A PRETTY CLEAR, UM, DISTINCTION IN, IN OUR OPINION AND ESTIMATION FROM THE NORTHERN OF THE SOUTH .

SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT CASES, UM, WAS EVALUATED.

WE'LL DISCUSS THE CARD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR K I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP WITH JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

SO I UNDERSTAND THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A VARIETY OF USES ALLOWED IN FLIGHT INDUSTRIAL CSS DISTRICTS AND WE DO SEE A LOT OF WAREHOUSES TO THE NORTH, TO THE, HOW DOES STAFF VIEW THE IMPACT OF A LARGE WAREHOUSE AT THE PRO WAREHOUSE OR THE WAREHOUSE TO THE NORTH WEST COMPARED TO A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE MOTOR PARKING IN TERMS OF INTENSITY OF USE AND IMPACT IN SURROUNDING PROPERTIES? YES, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT MAYBE THE CONCERNS THAT GOING INTO THEM ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING USE IS LIKELY A, UM, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, IT'S LIKELY A SUPPORTIVE USE OF WAREHOUSES.

UH, BUT THAT SAID, IT IS GENERALLY MORE OF AN OUTDOOR USE.

UH, THIS FACILITY, UH, CONTAINS A, UH, COMPONENT OF, UH, VEHICULAR REPAIR.

UM, SO I WOULD GENERALLY FIND THAT THAT IS POTENTIALLY MORE IMPACTFUL ON THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL OR ENTITLED ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THEN WOULD BE JUST A WAREHOUSE.

WAREHOUSE WOULD HAVE SOME DIFFERENT CONCERNS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S A CENTRALIZED, UH, INCOMING TRAFFIC SENSE BECAUSE IT'S MORE CENTRALIZED.

UH, BUT, AND, AND IT SORT OF A, A HUB WHEREAS MAYBE THE PARKING LOTS ARE MORE IN THE ENDPOINT.

UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, UM, I THINK WE HAVE A BIT MORE OF A, OF AN OUTDOOR USE NOISE, UH, CONTAMINANT CONCERN, UH, THAN WOULD BE FOR WAREHOUSE.

UH, WHEREAS THE WAREHOUSE COULD MAYBE BE MORE, UH, DISCREET OR COMPACT IN HOW ITS, UH, ADJACENCY ISSUES ARE SPREADING.

UM, BUT I, I THINK WE EVALUATE THIS ONE, UM, MANDATES, I MEAN COMMERCIAL MOTOR VEHICLE PARKING MANDATE THAT, UM, SIGNIFICANT IMPERIOUS

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SURFACE AND THAT IT'S AN OUTDOOR USE GENERALLY I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO A DEGREE ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE ABOUT INTENSITY, UH, THERE, ESPECIALLY IN THE VERSUS THE WAREHOUSE, WE TAKEN MORE LANE OF TRAFFIC FALLING INTO.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

OKAY, , UH, COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT NEXT DOOR, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT IS, I MEAN COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT IS ABOUT CATEGORY, UM, JUST FROM OBSERVATION BY STAFFING AND NCOS.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S EITHER A, UM, SO COMMERCIAL ABUSE NOW OR CAN INCLUDE A LOT OF THINGS.

I MEAN LIKE A SPORT FACILITY WHERE PEOPLE GATHERED FOR, UM, PARTICULARLY EVENTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, IT APPEARED LIKE A WHEN I WAS THERE, SO THAT WAS, UH, HOW WE ASSESSED THAT BUT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THE BASE ZONING.

UM, SO THAT'S WHY I PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT, BUT I DIDN'T, I DID SEE THAT AND IT LOOKS LIKE USE, I WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, UH, AND IF YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS, IT, IT SAYS THAT PROPERTY NEXT DOOR IS OMAR'S TRUCK REPAIR.

YEP.

SO IT IS, IT IS THAT ILLEGAL OR OKAY, I, I CAN'T BE THE ONE TO ASSESS THAT, BUT BASED ON THE KIND, KIND THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, UM, AND THEN IT APPEARS TO BE A NEW USE STATE, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DIFFICULTY GETTING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THOSE TWO USES.

BUT YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT SAYS HOME LOAN TRUCK REPAIR.

SO I ALSO OBSERVED THAT BOTH OF THOSE ARE, ARE INVOLVED FROM OX OBSERVATION.

SO I, CONCERN I HAVE IS TRUCK REPAIR.

I'M THINKING HAZARDOUS CHEMICALS THAT ARE GONNA GET LEACHED INTO THAT CREEK AND DOWN INTO THAT LAKE AT THE COLLEGE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE PROPOSED BUFFERING WOULD ALLEVIATE THAT.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A STRETCH, BUT UH, YEAH, I MEAN THAT USE WITH THE MACHINERY HEAVY EQUIPMENT OR TRUCKS SALES AND SERVICE IS ONE OF THE SAME USES ON, ON THE SUBJECT LOT.

UM, THEY MAY BE DOING IT TO THE EAST BUT IT APPEARS THEY DON'T HAVE THE ZONING FOR IT.

UH, BUT THE TRUCK HEAVY EQUIPMENT, SALES AND SERVICE ALSO A COMPONENT OF THIS SUBJECT SIDE.

SO THE SAME LOGIC OF THE FLASH, I WOULD MAKE COMMENT THAT ALL OF THESE LIKE FISH CHART, WATER FLOW, ALL OF THAT IS USUALLY ADDRESS IN PERMITTING AND THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING GOES OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THERE ARE RULES IN PLACE, UH, WHEN THEY PUT THEIR PERMIT, THE SITE RETENTION, SITE RETENTION AND ALL OF THAT.

SO WE CANNOT AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT IT'S ALL GONNA BE FA ALL DRAIN TO THE CREEK BECAUSE WE DO HAVE, UH, ENGINEER, UH, MANUALS TO ADDRESS THAT CARPENTER.

I WAS JUST, OMAR CAN'T BE POSSIBLY ILLEGAL BECAUSE THE AGRICULTURAL ZONE AS ALL ALLOWED, THAT IS NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE.

OKAY, , BUT, AND THE FACT THAT THEY DON'T, WHICH MEANS THEY DID NOT GO THROUGH ENGINEERING.

I REVIEW PERMIT TO SEE WHAT YOUR OBJECTIVE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON? OKAY, THE NEXT CASE WE SEE 2 3, 1 9 5, UH, IT'S AGER ZONING CHANGE AN APPLICATION FOR AN NEW ONE MISUSE DISTRICT ON A PROPERTY THAT'S ON R N A.

IT'S ON THE NORTHEAST LINE OF SEAVILLE ROAD, SOUTHEAST OF RAVEN VIEW ROAD AND IT'S 3.5 ACRES APPROXIMATELY.

IT'S SOUTHERN DALLAS RIGHT ON THE TOP OF THE BOOTH, UH, CLOSE TO BELTLINE AND UH, SEAGO BELT AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE AERIAL.

UM, IT IS PART OF A LARGER BLOCK THAT UM, HAS A VARIETY OF TYPE OF, UM, OF LOT SIZES AND IT IS DEVELOPED WITH LOOKS LIKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES MOSTLY OR ARMS. UM, THERE ARE SOME ACROSS THE STREET THERE ARE SOME AUTO AUTO ORIENTED USES ON THE ZONING MAP YOU CAN SEE WAS

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HIGHLIGHTED IN LU THE ENTIRE CORNER OF RAVEN VIEW AND SEAGO VILLAGES NS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE AND IT HAS A D ONE LIQUOR CONTROL OVERLAY.

UM, AND THEN THE ENTIRE AREA THAT HAD THE LARGER LOTS IS R 10, BUT THERE ARE NEWER SUBDIVISION THAT WERE BUILT, SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE BUILT MORE RECENTLY THERE ARE R SEVEN FIVE, UM, A LITTLE R 10 ON FURTHER NORTH.

SO THE AREA REQUEST, UM, AS I SAID, IS UH, OVER THREE AND A HALF ACRES.

IT HAS A HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT IN THE FORTIES FOR RECORDS AND IT HAS A LOT OF ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS.

I CANNOT SAY THIS WORD, .

THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS FOR THE, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH THE MIX OF USES AND HOUSING TYPES UNDER THE REGULATIONS OF MU ONE.

AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT MEANS.

UM, PICTURES FROM SEAGOVILLE, THIS IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE LIKE VERY LOW DENSITY OF, UM, FARMLAND TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT, LARGER VIEW WITH THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.

AGAIN, OCO HILL, UH, FURTHER NORTH, THIS IS ACROSS THE STREET, UM, ANOTHER HOME ACROSS THE STREET.

YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, ALL ORIENTED TYPE OF USE.

UM, THEN I DID DRIVE A LOT AROUND THE BLOCK, SO THE ENTIRE BLOCK THAT IS BEHIND SEAGOVILLE.

UM, AS I WAS SAYING, IT'S A COMBINATION OF SMALLER LOTS AND LARGER LOTS.

SO BEHIND THERE ARE A LOT OF, UH, VERY CHARMING STREETS WITH, UH, FARMS AND, UH, LARGE, UH, LARGE LOTS.

SO THESE ARE, THIS IS FISH ROCK FOR INSTANCE.

AND IT GOES AND, UH, THAT, THAT ENDS INTO BELT LINE IN THE BACK.

SO THIS IS A CASE THAT I HAD A VERY HARD TIME WITH.

UM, UM, I LOOKED INTO CLEAVER S UH, AREA PLANT.

I DID THINK DEEPLY, DEEPLY ABOUT IT, UM, BECAUSE THE REALITY ON THE MAP AND WHAT AREA PLAN LOOSELY RECOMMENDS VERSUS WHAT'S BUILT AND DEVELOPED THERE RIGHT NOW IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UH, THIS IS THE EXISTING LAND USE MAP IN THE BERG, UH, WEST LIEBERT PLAN.

AND YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE PROPERTY IS ON SEAVILLE.

UM, THE CLEAVER PLAN DIVIDES THE AREA COVERED BY THE PLANNING THREE, AND THIS IS PART OF SUB AREA, A ONE, UH, SOUTH AREA ONE, AND IT RECOMMENDS LOOSELY ON THE FUTURE, UH, VISION MAP, LOW TO MEDIUM, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND YOU SEE LIKE SOME NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL FOR THE DOWN ON BELTLINE, UH, THE VISION STATEMENT OF THE BERG AND IT'S ALL IN THE STAFF REPORT.

LITTLE BETTER DETAILED.

UH, THE COMMUNITY BACK THEN ENVISIONED THIS TO REMAIN, UH, A RURAL TYPE OF, UH, ENVIRONMENT AND DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, HOWEVER, AND THEY ARE, THEY WERE VERY PROTECTIVE OF THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

HOWEVER, IN THE GOALS THEY WENT ON TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS OR OUTDOOR AFFAIRS, THEY WENT TO SAY THAT THEY DO WANT SOME NEIGHBOR PRESERVING USES AND BUSINESSES AND ENCOURAGE LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING TO MEET VERY INCOME LEVELS.

BUT THE PLAN GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE LOW TO MEDIUM WOULD BE PREFERRED TO BE, UM, UH, SINGLE FAMILY MAYBE, UM, TO A LOT OF LIKE ZOOM OUT TO, TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND THE PATTERNS.

AGAIN, HUGE, HUGE CHALLENGES THAT HAVE WITH THIS DECISION.

UM, AS I WAS SAYING, NEWLY DEVELOPED, UH, SUBDIVISION R SEVEN FIVE FOR INSTANCE, ONE ACCESS POINT IN SEAGOVILLE.

OBVIOUSLY WAY MORE HOMES, BIGGER, LOTS THE SAME, UH, BIGGER DEVELOPMENTS THE SAME TO THE NORTH A LITTLE BIT.

I KNOW WE HAD SOME ZONING CASES, LET'S SEE IF I ZOOM EVEN MORE.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE SUBDIVISIONS, THE NEW ONES, HOW DO THEY RELATE TO THE THOROUGH PAIRS, HOW MANY ACCESS POINTS THEY HAVE, BECAUSE YOU SEE THEY POP UP JUST MID BLOCK AND IT'S NOT LIKE, OH, NOW WE'RE DIVIDING THE BLOCK, WE'RE CREATING THE STREETS AND IT JUST, IT JUST HAPPENED.

UM, SUBDIVISION BY SUBDIVISION, THIS IS OUR SITE HERE.

SO YOU SEE, I WAS LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE BLOCK PATTERNS ARE.

YES.

SO IN A, IF WE ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ON BELTLINE AND SEE YOUR GIRL, THIS AREA HERE, WE JUST THREE, FOUR YEARS BACK, UM, THE UM, CITY APPROVED THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IT IS TRUE THAT BELMAN AND CVILLE ARE, IT'S A MAJOR

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INTERSECTION OF MAJOR DOG THERE.

SO THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT.

IT HAS A SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT CHARACTER.

WE HAD A LOT OF OTHER MORE DENSER TYPE OF, UH, RESIDENTIAL APPROVED ALONG EDGE ROAD.

I WAS LOOKING TO SEE DO WE HAVE THIS AREA BETTER WELL SERVED BY COMMUNITY SERVICE CENTER SCHOOLS, STUFF LIKE THAT TO SUPPORT A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY.

DOES IT HAVE ENOUGH RETAIL? UM, COMPARISON BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS BETWEEN THE USES.

I PUT IT IN THE STAFF REPORT.

OBVIOUSLY BETWEEN AN R AND AN MU IS A BIG DIFFERENCE OF USES.

LIKE M U COMES WITH RETAIL PERSONAL SERVICE OFFICE COMES WITH A LOT OF USES VERSUS A AN R, WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY.

BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO SEE HOW UM, HOW INTRUSIVE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT MASSING WOULD BE.

UM, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE NEED AND I EXPLAINED THEM UH, IN MY STAFF REPORT.

I WISH I HAD THE TIME TO DO A LITTLE DIAGRAM FOR R P S BUT I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN IT.

SO THE FRONT YARD OF R 10 IS 30 OF ONE IS 15, BUT BECAUSE THE BLOCK HAS A LOT OF R 10, IT'S GONNA HAVE THE 30, UM, SIDE YARDS FOR AN MU AND THEY'RE ADJACENT TO R WILL HAVE 20 OR UH, 20 FEET.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT, THE CODE TRIED TO ENCOURAGE A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFERING THERE CAN, IS THAT ENOUGH OR NOT? UM, THIS ANY ONE, IF THEY ARE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE INCOME HOUSING BONDS, THEY CAN INCREASE THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, BUT THAT'S IT.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE TYPE OF UH, M B A CATEGORY IT IS.

SO WHAT IS THE LIKELINESS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS BONUS? BUT RIGHT NOW M B ONE HAS A CAP ON DWELLING UNIT DENSITY, THE F A R, NOW IT COMES WITH AN F A R AND WITH A BIG HEIGHT.

HOWEVER, ALL THE R PROPERTIES AROUND IT ARE GONNA GENERATE R P S AND ARE GONNA REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY KEPT THE HEIGHT.

I DIDN'T ESTIMATE MY STAFF REPORT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO EVER GO ABOVE 35 FEET.

SO I DIDN'T HAVE BRIEF OVER THE HEIGHT OR MASSING.

UM, THE SAME WITH THE STORIES OBVIOUSLY ATTACKED BY THE UH, I R AND THERE ARE SOME VISUAL INTRUSION AND D I R UM, TO BIG TRIP GENERATION.

THEY HAVE MORE INTENSIVE USES.

THIS IS UM, F Y I CYCLE AND I DIDN'T WANNA INCLUDE IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT.

IT'S JUST FOR INFORMATION, IT'S TO JOURNAL ZONING CHANGE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXHIBITS.

UH, THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A PRESENTATION TO EXPLAIN HIS CONCEPT, BUT UM, THAT WAS SAYING IS AN ARROW LOT THAT'S FACING UM, TO GO REAL.

THEY'RE PLANNING TO UM, DO A LITTLE RETAIL STREET FACING SEAVILLE AND PUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF MULTIFAMILY OR I DON'T KNOW IF HE PLANS TO EVEN DO TOWN HOMES LIKE SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY OWNERSHIP TYPE.

I THINK HE SAID THAT HE TENDS TO DO MULTIFAMILY.

UM, HE WENT THROUGH A FEW FEW ITERATIONS OF THE CONCEPTUAL IDEA OF WHAT HE WANTS TO DEVELOP.

I THINK HE LANDED ON 20 GROWING UNITS.

SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT.

UM, CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT R P S AND EVERYTHING IS REALLY SIGNIFICANTLY GOING, GONNA DIAL DOWN I DENSITY, UM, AND ALL THE PARKING THAT COMES WITH IT.

UM, THIS IS NOT, AGAIN, I WILL EMPHASIZE THIS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE DID NOT REVIEW THIS EXHIBIT.

I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S GONNA VAST PERMITING.

THERE ARE A LOT OF, UM, DETAILS WHEN IT COMES TO ACCESS POINTS.

THESE DRIVEWAYS ARE TOO WIDE, TOO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER, SO FOR SURE IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT.

BUT HE WAS TRYING TO LIKE SEE OKAY, WHAT CAN I DEVELOP ON THIS PROPERTY AND HOW, WHAT CAN I MAXIMIZE? SO THIS IS WHAT HE HAD IN MIND.

AND YOU SEE LIKE AS I WAS SAYING, EVEN THE HEIGHT, I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT THEY WILL EVER BE ABLE TO LIKE, UH, THOUGH HE'S SHOWING 30 FEET AND I THINK IT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT TO STAY UNDER THE R P S AND THE R P S IS GONNA UH, FORCE TO BE 26 FEET FOR A LONG CHUNK OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS BEING SAID, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL.

THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS COMM COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU MR. I WAS ASKING, I WAS READING IN YOUR CASE REPORT IT SAID THAT THEY WERE INTENDING RETAIL AND MULTIFAMILY, BUT I ONLY SAW THE REFERENCE TO THE 20 MULTIFAMILY UNIT CIRCLE CODE, BUT THERE'S NO PLAN ASSOCIATED BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A STRAIGHT ASSESSING CHANGE.

YES, YES, YES.

UM, SO WITH THAT IN MIND AND, AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING THE EXHIBIT BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT.

WOULD ARTICLE 10 REQUIRE A BUFFER AT THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL ZONING WITH THE CHANGE? YES.

YES.

A LOT OF LIKE, THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE SITE PLAN AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS CONCEPTUAL SKETCH TO THINK WHAT HE CAN DO.

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I AM, WHEN IT COMES TO ENGINEERING, TO PARKING TO ARTICLE, I THINK IT'S GONNA LOOK A LITTLE BIT, THIS LOOKS WAY MORE HAS THAT I WHAT I THINK REALISTICALLY CAN'T, CAN'T RECALL.

AND SO I GUESS HE HASN'T REALLY INDICATED THIS IS AN IDEA THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE INTENDING TO DEVELOP.

AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.

YES, HE INTENDING TO DEVELOP MULTI-FAMILY WITH A RETAIL STRIP UPFRONT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

BUT AGAIN, AS A IT GOES TO PERMITTING ALL THESE DRIVEWAYS, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THEY, THEY THEY ARE NOT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

QUESTION, UM, THE SINGLE ENTRY, THIS THIS LOT, CAN YOU PUT THE, THE, THE, THE LOT LAYING THE YEAH.

YES, THAT ONE.

THANK YOU.

THIS ONE.

OKAY.

UHHUH.

THE, THE WAY THAT THIS LOT IS BUILT OR BUILT, IT EXISTS, IT ONLY PROVIDES THE ONE ENTRY POINT FROM EXIT POINT, IS THAT I CORRECT? YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RIGHT NOW.

CORRECT.

AND BUT IT IS AN, IT HAS A NARROW, A VERY, DOES IT NOT HAVE A VERY NARROW ENTRY INCLUDING THE, THE HOUSE THAT IS CURRENTLY SITTING ON THAT BLOCK? CORRECT.

IT IS A NARROW LOCK AND THEN IT IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY DEEP.

CORRECT? IT'S, IT HAS AND IT, WITH IT BEING MID-BLOCK, THERE IS, THERE IS NO WAY TO CONNECTED ANYWHERE BUT THE ONE ENTRY POINT, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

IT IS MID-BLOCK.

IT ONLY HAS TI ON SEAGO HILL.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO, TO MAKE THE SAME POINT REGARDING THIS DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT'S THE SAME ONE ACCESS POINT IN SEAGO HILL BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A DEEP AND LARGE BLOCK, THEY DON'T HAVE STREETS RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S CHALLENGING TO GO IN FIRST AND, AND, AND THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT'S CHALLENGING TO GO IN FIRST.

SO IF THERE WAS A PATTERN THAT WOULD RENDER ACCESS IN THE BACK, THAT THEN IT WOULD BE A FAR EASIER DEVELOPMENT TO APPRO TO GIVE THE RISE TO THE STANDARD TWO ENTRY POINTS.

UM, I MEAN IT WOULD, IT WOULD, AGAIN, IT WOULD MAKE FOR A MORE, UM, NATURAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

FOR INSTANCE, IF IT WAS THIS ONE, YOU SEE THIS PROPERTY HERE ALREADY HAS THIS EXACTLY.

SO IT HAS SAID, OKAY, WE CAN ASSUME THAT THE PERMITTING, THEY WILL HAVE THAT CROSS ACCESS, BUT UH, RIGHT NOW, I MEAN IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK WITH ONLY ONE FRONT.

SO THEY COULD, UH, JUST, I'M JUST JUMPING IN.

THEY COULD THEORETICALLY EMPHASIS ON THEORETICALLY, UM, GET AN ACCESS EASEMENT THROUGH THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, UH, TO THAT MAJOR STREET TO THE NORTHWEST OR UM, TO THAT EXISTING CONNECTION TO THAT SUBDIVISION THAT'S BUILT OUT TO THE SOUTHEAST.

UM, THEY COULD, COULD, YEAH, THEY COULD.

VERY HIGHLY THEORETICAL.

UM, BUT TO ANDREA'S POINT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS BLOCK WITH MORE OF A ESTABLISHED STREET GRID AND SHE'S RIGHT AS A HUGE BLOCK, UM, THAT'S LIKE SHE SAID, IT'S HARD TO BE THE FIRST, BUT THAT COULD KIND OF ESTABLISH A NEW PATTERN WITHIN THE BLOCK FOR ACCESS.

ARE YOU, UM, AWARE THAT THERE WAS COMMUNITY MEETING AND I THINK THE APPLICANT MENTIONED AND I WOULD LET HIM, UH, ADDRESS THAT? UM, AND WERE YOU AWARE THAT THAT WELL YOU GUYS, I WILL BE AWARE, I JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL THE, FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE CRIME WATCH WHO IS SPEAKING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I ASKED STAFF TO, TO BOARD IT TO, AND THEIR, AND THEY'RE INCLUDING THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE RIGHT, THINK RIGHT AROUND THERE, THEIR DESIRES ARE FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

UM, I AM AWARE NOW , UM, AND BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST FROM THIS COMMUNITY, IS THIS NOT A COMMUNITY THAT IS THAT THAT WHO LET, WHO WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MORE RURAL STANDARD OPPOSED TO URBAN STANDARD? YOU REMEMBER? I WOULD, I I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION.

I'M TRYING TO LIKE SAY THAT THIS IS YOUR ROLE AS A COM COMMISSIONER AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

I WOULD SAY THAT WE GO BY THE VISION PLAN.

SOME AREAS DO HAVE AN AREA OF PLAN AND IT'S TRUE THAT AS I WAS SAYING IN MY STAFF REPORT PRESENTATION, THE AREA OF LAND THAT THE COMMUNITY IS HOLDING VERY

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CLOSE THE RURAL CHARACTER.

YES.

AND IF WE, IF WE WERE BUILDING OUT, IF THIS WAS LIKE YOU SAID, CLOSER TO THAT DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S TO THE EAST, THE, THE ONE THAT'S BUILT UP THAT WOULD YEAH.

THAT WAY IS THAT EAST OR WEST? IT'S YES, SOUTHEAST SOUTH OR WHATEVER.

IF, IF IT WAS NEXT TO IT, IT WOULD GIVE, IT WOULD GIVE RISE TO A PAD TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PATTERN THAT WOULD CONNECT EACH ONE OF THE LOTS IN THE REAR SO THAT YOU WILL HAVE MULTIRY POINTS, MULTI EXIT POINTS OPPOSED TO ONE THAT THAT'S ONLY ON A MAJOR ROAD THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE A CELL DESAL LANE.

I WOULD UM, AND THIS IS, I AM VERY THANKFUL FOR THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REALITY ON THE GROUND, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I WAS TRYING TO ALSO MAKE.

BUT I WILL ALSO GO BACK TO THIS BECAUSE THE PROPOSAL ON THE MAP, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT KIND OF LIKE GUIDED, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE HAVE AN N MS HERE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW RESIDENTIAL.

AND I SAW THAT THIS, IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN ON THE MAP TO HAVE AN MU HERE THAT IS A BUFFER BETWEEN WHAT'S GONNA REMAIN A SINGLE FAMILY AND YOU CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DENSITY AND A LITTLE BIT WHERE RETAIL THERE, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT THESE TWO SIDE BY SIDE, YOU SEE THE MAPPING HERE SHOWS N MS, BUT THE REALITY ON THE DROP IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU MR. YOUNG.

UH, YES, WE DO GO TO YOUR SLIDE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT SANDERS CHART PLEASE.

THERE WE GO.

UM, I NOTE THAT UNDER R 10 A IT INDICATES NO DWELLING DENSITY MAXIMUM THAT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE FACT THAT IN OUR DISTRICT'S, UH, THE CODE WAS NOT SPECIFIED THE DWELLING TENTION, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

IT'S BY LOT SIZE.

WELL THAT'S, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS HEADED WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

DOES THAT NOT IMPOSE A BUILDING UNIT DENSITY MAXIMUM OF SOMEWHERE AROUND FOUR UNITS AN ACRE? YES, PROBABLY, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A NARROW LOT WITH ONE FRONTAGE.

SO IF THEY ARE TO PLA I THINK THEY NEED TO CREATE SOME SORT OF SHARED ACCESS.

SO IT POSES SOME, UH, CONVERSATIONS THERE.

I DIDN'T, UM, TEST THAT HOW MANY SINGLE FAMILY UNITS THEY, THEY CAN MAXIMIZE.

I DID NOT TEST THAT.

WELL WHETHER IT'S THREE AND A HALF OR FOUR OR WHATEVER BASED ON GEOMETRY LAYOUT AND PLANNING, WE KNOW IT CAN'T BE MORE THAN 4.356 BECAUSE THAT WOULD USE UP THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AT 10,000 SQUARE FEET PER LOT.

I I I'LL DO A LITTLE MATH QUICK.

ALRIGHT.

PER ACRE DIVIDED BY 10,000 IS 4.356 ANY, MY POINT IS THAT THERE IS A FUNCTIONAL IN R 10 THAT IS IN THEORY AT LEAST, UM, ONLY 25% OR SO IS WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO MONTHS.

YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF IT NEEDS TO BE MAXIMIZED UNDER R 10, UH, IT CAN BE MAXIMIZED WITH LIKE YOU SAID, 25% OF THE UNITS THAT THEY CAN GO UNDER U ONE.

DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? NO, NO, NO, NO.

THAT WOULD REQUIRE A C U D, WHICH DOESN'T INCREASE THE TOTAL DWELLING ENGINE.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS AN ACRE OF LAND IN R 10 CANNOT MATHEMATICALLY ACHIEVE MORE THAN 4.356 DWELLING UNITS.

YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO INSTEAD OF GOING FROM NOMAX TO 15 TO 25, WE'RE GOING FROM 4.356 TO 15 TO 25.

IT'S 3.5 ACRES.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING, SO WHY CAN'T WE TAKE OUT LIKE I WOULD SAY A 20% FOR STREETS AND STUFF? I, I, I NEED TO LIKE STOP SHARING MY SCREEN.

I'LL DO A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

IT MAY BE LESS THAN 4.356, BUT, BUT IT IS, IT'S NOT NO MAXIMUM, NO, WHAT I WAS, I I AM MEANING IN MY TABLE IS TO SHOW WHAT THIS CODE SAYS AND THE CODE SAYS NO MAXIMUM.

BUT IN REALITY IF YOU DO THE

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MAP AND THEY CAN PUT MORE UNITS BECAUSE IT'S A 3.5 ACRE, UH, LONG, BUT WHAT I, MY, THE INTENT OF MY TABLE IS TO SAY THAT THE CODE DOESN'T HAVE A DWELLING UNIT DENSITY ON OUR 10 BECAUSE WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO IS LIKE BUILD ONE UNIT FOR ONE LOT THAT'S 10,000.

BUT YOU, YOU, AND I'M MAKING A BIGGER DEAL OF THIS THAN IT IS.

BUT IF YOU BUILD UP THE ENTIRE SITE WITH LOTS AND HELICOPTERED EVERYONE INTO THEIR S AND MOST YOU COULD POSSIBLY GET IN OUR 10 IS 4.356 WELL UNITS AN 90 YES AND IS THREE ACRES.

SO PROBABLY YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET EIGHT UNITS.

I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I REALLY NEED SOMEBODY WHO'S A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPER TO MAX IT UP COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.

WE COMPARE SOME NUMBER WE DON'T KNOW, WHICH CANNOT BE MORE THAN 4.356 TO 15 TO 25 RECOGNIZING THAT THE SITE CONSTRAINTS MAY NOT THEM GET TO 15 TO 25 .

SO WE'RE SAYING 4.3 TIMES 3.5, THAT'S THE MATH THAT I NEED TO DO, WHICH IS MAXIMUM AND I WOULD EXTRACT A 20% PER PER STREET.

SO I STILL THINK WE, THEY CAN SQUEEZE IN PROBABLY SEATS THE DWELLING UNIT.

THE DWELLING UNIT DENSITY IS IS NOT SIDE BY SIDE.

YOU TAKE A BY EIGHT.

OH YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YES.

AND, BUT YOU SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

IT IS ABA, YOU'RE RIGHT.

UH, I WAS JUMPING INTO THE REALITY ON THE GROUND.

SO HE'S PROPOSING TO PUT 20 UNITS OF MULTIFAMILY AND THEN IF HE WOULD BE TO DEVELOP A RIGHT, HE WOULD PUT, I DON'T KNOW, I'M VERY, VERY YES IN P OR C SEVEN SINGLE FOUNTAIN.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MR. RUBEN.

JUST A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.

THERE WERE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON, YOU KNOW, ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK TWO, IF THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE STREET FRONTAGES OR AN EASEMENT OR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, ASSUMING NO NO ACCESS EASEMENT AND ONLY THE STREET BRU ALONG CEDARVILLE, WOULD THEY RUN INTO PERMITTING ISSUES IN TERMS OF INGRESS AND EGRESS? I THINK, I DON'T KNOW THERE IS HERE.

I THINK, UH, I AM NOT SURE THAT THEY CAN PUT TWO THE WAY HE'S SHOWING ON THE SITE PLAN, BUT FOR SURE THEY WILL PUT ONE THAT'S GONNA BE IN AND OUT AND THEN THEY WILL WORK WITH FIRE MARSHAL TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEET SAFETY OF DEPARTMENTS.

I'VE SEE MS. ALGAR VEHEMENTLY.

YES, THERE'S NO PERMITTING ISSUE WITH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON IS I SEE TWO THINGS IN THE, UM, THE CLEAVER AREA.

I KIND OF WANNA UNDERSTAND HOW YOU RECONCILE THEM.

ONE IS PRESERVE THE RURAL CHARACTER, LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

ON THE OTHER HAND THERE'S ALSO TALK ABOUT ADDING NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING COMMERCIAL AND OTHER AMENDING TYPE USES.

DO YOU THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE INTENTION OR DO YOU THINK THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU RECONCILE OUR TOPS IMPORTANT TO GETTING THOSE BUSINESS USES? I THINK SO.

I THINK SO.

IT WOULD'VE HELPED IF, IF THIS FUTURE VISION MAP WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC.

UM, BECAUSE YOU SEE IT SHOWS A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, BUT THAT'S A HIGHWAY.

THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT'S SHOWING IS NOT GONNA BE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING.

SO, BUT THE PLAN DOES TALK ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING AND THEN LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

FOR ME, THIS REQUEST IS LOW TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, HOWEVER THE PLAN GOES ON TO SAY SINGLE FAMILY.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LOT.

IT'S UH, A LOT FOR US TO LEAVE SUBJECT TO INTERPRETATION WHEN WE GET SOME CASES LIKE THIS.

THANK YOU.

MR. HOUSE ARRIVED.

UH, YES.

I WANT DR.

MADRE, JUST TO CLARIFY, BASED ON YOUR REVIEW OF THE, OF THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS NOT AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE CASE, YOU SAID 20 UNITS, DID YOU MEAN 20 UNITS TOTAL OR 24 AC? OH, 20 TOTAL.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT HE, HE HE DID, UH, THE, THE APPLICANT DID THAT.

WE, HE STARTED WITH A VERSION THAT WAS WAY MORE INTENSE UHHUH AND WHEN I POINTED OUT THAT, OKAY, YOU HAVE PARKING ISSUES OR P ISSUES, STUFF LIKE THAT, HE STARTED TO FACTOR THOSE IN AND HE CAME WITH 20 IN TOTAL BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO SHOW HERE HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS HIS NEED AND HE HAS A LITTLE BIT OF BREAKDOWN OF TYPE WHAT TYPE OF UNITS YOU SEE HE'S, UH, SHOWING HER BEDROOM AND HE'S EVEN SHOWING SOME SINGLE

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FAMILY.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW IF HE INTEND TO PLA SOME OF THIS.

SO I'VE SEEN SI BASICALLY SINGLE FAMILY OR TOWNHOUSE KIND OF THINGS ON, ON THE, WHAT'S IN THE MIDDLE? I CAN'T, THESE ARE MULTI-FAMILY UNIT AND THESE ARE LIKE YOUR, UH, THIS ITEM 20, I THINK THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE MAIL.

IT'S MORE THAN 20.

MORE THAN 20.

YEAH.

YOU'VE GOT, THERE'S 17, 17, 17.

I DIDN'T SAY THING IS THE RETAIL JUST THE FRONT STRIP? YES, YES.

SO YOU, THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING.

YOU'VE GOT TWO MULTI-FAMILY POTENTIALLY AND THEN 17 SINGLE TOWN HALL THINGS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH.

AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS.

SO IT PROBABLY, MAYBE MORE THIS MATH NOT 20 OR 25.

SO WE WOULD UNDER BASE ZONING MAYBE THERE, THERE MIGHT BE AS MANY AS 12 LOTS AND UH, BY MY MATH AND UH, THEN THIS WAS 30, 40 RESIDENCES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

DID I HEAR WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE ? YES, WE DO HAVE A MORE BRIEF ON A HOUSING CONTRACT.

I THOUGHT I'D HEARD THAT.

SO YOU HAVE THIS AGRICULTURAL PLOT OF LAND, YOU HAVE A HUGE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING HERE, HUGE DEVELOPMENT HERE.

WAS THERE PUSHBACK ON THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS THAT SURROUNDED IT? UM, THERE ARE SOME LETTERS THAT WERE RECEIVED YESTERDAY.

I THINK THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION AND WE SENT THEM TO, TO YOU GUYS AND I THINK THERE WERE THREE.

I DIDN'T MAP THEM.

UH, BUT UH, I CAN'T, I CAN BRING THAT UP THEN.

I MEAN IT, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT'S FAIRLY RAPIDLY GETTING BUILT OUT ALL AROUND THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND THIS COULD FOLLOW ON PATTERN.

SO THE QUESTION IS IF THIS WOULD COME UNDER OUR IN FILE, ANDREA, I THINK I REMEMBER READING IN YOUR CASE REPORT, UM, ONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS FOR THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THE DISTRICT LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A TRANSITION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING RETAIL THAT'S AT THE INTERSECTION MOVING AWAY FROM THAT TOWARDS THE SINGLE FAMILY TO THE SOUTHEAST.

YES.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS, UH, ALLUDING TO WHEN I WAS TALKING TO COMMISSIONER BLAIR.

LIKE I WAS LOOKING MOSTLY AT THIS MAP BECAUSE THE, THE, WHEN THIS WAS REZONED AND IT HAS THIS COMMERCIAL CORNER, I'M THINKING THAT WAS BASICALLY WITHIN THE VISION OF THE PLAN AND NOW THIS PARCEL IS RIGHT AT THE BORDER OF THAT COMMERCIAL COMES IN FOR REZONING, UH, WITH AN M U ONE, WHICH IS THE LEAST INTENSIVE OF THE MIXED USE WON'T MAKE SENSE CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY AROUND IT IS GONNA KEEP THE HEIGHT AND ALL OF THAT.

IT JUST SORT OF LOOKS LIKE TO ME, I MEAN THE TREND IS IT'S GONNA BE FILLED IN WITH MORE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS AND YOU SEE THIS IN MANSFIELD AND PLACES LIKE THAT AND YOU'VE GOT A TWO ACRE LOT, WE'VE GOT HOMES ALL DOWN.

I MEAN, YEAH, I COULD IMAGINE WHY THEY WOULD WANT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST IT, BUT IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM CORRECTABLE TO ME IN THE LONG WHAT SHALL WE LOOK, GO BACK TO THIS ONE BECAUSE I THINK THIS SHOWS RIGHT, WHATEVER COMMUNITY LEADERS, UM, AROUND ME IS BECAUSE, UM, TIME WAS TIME AGAIN, WE'VE HEARD OUT IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT THAT THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WERE ON SPEAK SOME OF THEIR RULES FIELD WITH THEIR ARTS ZONING AND UM, AND THIS SEEMS LIKE THAT THIS IS GOING AGAINST THOSE AREAS THAT STILL HAVE THOSE ISSUES AROUND, AROUND THIS PARTICULAR, UH, UH, UH, .

YES, I, I WOULD LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.

HE TOLD ME HE HAD SOME, SO THERE WAS, THERE WAS A FEW, UM, MEETINGS TO, WITH THE COMMUNITY AND WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY WITHIN ITSELF TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE IN THE COMMUNITY, THIS AREA COMMUNITY GO AGAINST ANYTHING THAT IS NOT, OUR TEAM IS GOING WITH A DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, MULTI ESSENTIALLY MULTIFAMILY, SOME RETAIL.

I CAN'T HEAR HER.

SHE'S SAYING IF THE COMMUNITY IN THIS AREA IS TYPICALLY AGAINST MULTIFAMILY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF RETAIL, AND MY ANSWER WOULD BE THAT FROM WHAT I RECALL, WHICH WHY I INCLUDED THIS LINE, WE DID HAVE THIS MULTI-FAMILY PURELY MF TWO AT THE CORNER OF ABOVE LINE AND SEAGOVILLE AND THE , THE COMMUNITY WAS OKAY WITH THAT.

I

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REMEMBER WE HAD FEW ZONING CASES IN HERE BUT THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH.

SO I, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I WILL TRUST YOU AS THE COMMUNITY LEADERS OR REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY TO BASICALLY BE THE VOICE FOR THAT I, THAT EVERYTHING THAT CAME UP IN DISTRICT THAT WAS ANYTHING LESS THAN SINGLE FAMILY OR RT BONDING THAT THAT IT WAS SAID THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO KEEP THAT INTEGRITY OF THAT COMMUNITY AND WE DENIED A LOT OF CASES BASED OFF OCCURRING THAT FROM, FROM POLLUTION.

AND UH, OKAY.

DAVE COMMISSIONER HEAD, UM, JUST WANNA FOLLOW UP ON THAT AGAIN, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THE INTENT IS, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND TO SERVE AS A TRANSITION IS YOU, IT JUST, IT SEEMS A LITTLE INTENSE BASED ON THE R 10, THE R 75 CR, WHICH IS SORT OF OUR, WELL IT'S DENSITY IN TERMS OF OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE.

WAS THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION OF WHAT MIGHT BE, UM, MORE IN LINE IF YOU WILL, A MORE GENTLE TRANSITION BETWEEN THAT? I THINK THE GENTLEST TRANSITION, MS IS THE MOST GENTLE COMMERCIAL TYPE OF OR RETAIL TYPE OF DISTRICT.

OH, SORRY, SORRY, YES.

SO, BUT MS DOESN'T ALLOW ANY RESIDENTIAL SO YOU CANNOT MIXED EXCUSE.

SO I THINK HE'S TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES A LITTLE BIT OF MISUSE AND I WAS HOOKED UP ON THE RETAIL THAT HE PLANS TO PUT IN FRONT.

I THINK NMU ONE IS THE GENTLE LESS DENSITY.

IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT IT ALLOWS OUT BIG HEIGHTS, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE R P S SO RRP S WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT.

BUT UH, I THINK THAT NMU ONE, IT IT COMES TO LIKE THE COMBINATION, IT ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY, IT ALLOWS MULTIFAMILY, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS A LOT OF OFFICE RETAIL, ALL OF THAT.

WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION OF UTILIZING A FOREIGN DISTRICT? AND THERE MAY NOT BE THE DENSITY THAT MAKES THAT VIABLE WITH THIS LOCATION, BUT JUST A QUESTION I WOULD THINK, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE CRITICAL MASS FOR THAT.

AND THEN SECOND IT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PROMPTED THOUGH.

SO THE FRONTAGE IS GONNA BE TAKEN CARE BY THE RETAIL.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN I, I THINK THERE'S A WALKABLE MIXED USE, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT ALLOWS FOR, UM, LIGHTER, UM, RETAIL AND COMMUNITY SERVING USES WITHIN IT.

WHICH IS, I I DIDN'T THINK OF A FORM BASE JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T, IT MAY NOT BE, BUT IT HAS SOME OF THE OTHER TOOLS THAT I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I LIKE THAT IDEA COMMISSIONER.

I LIKE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM ABOUT IS IT, IS IT CORRECT DR.

THAT THE LACK OF FLEXIBILITY OF OUR CODE MAKES INFIELD DEVELOPMENT LIKE THIS SO COMPLICATED WHEN NOW STAFF IS HAVING TO RECOMMEND YOU WANT AT 90 FEET HIGH AND WE'LL HAVE IN FACT RRP S HELPING LIMIT THE HIGH TIER, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD TO FIND A PLACE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.

YES.

AND THE OTHER QUESTIONS LIKE IS IT THE 20 FOOT SIZE SET BACK UP OF A BUFFER BETWEEN AN AND AN U? IS IT IT LIKE, UH, ARTICLE 10 HAS THE RESIDENTIAL BUFFER, IS THAT ENOUGH? THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

SO YES, THIS IS, UH, BUT IT'S BIG INFO.

IT'S NOT LIKE A SINGLE LOT.

IT WAS, IT'S BIGGER INFO, BUT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT THE ENTIRE AREA IS BIGGER LOTS AT THE SCALE THAT NOW IS AGRICULTURE MEETING SOME NEW RECENT SUBDIVISIONS YOU CAN COUNT .

YEAH, I, I'M DEEPLY UPSET ABOUT THE ONE.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS TALKING TO, TO ANDREA ABOUT IT AND I'M LIKE, WHAT'S WITH THIS HEIGHT? WE WERE SUPPOSED TO LIKE ALLOW A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFERING.

YEAH.

.

THIS IS, THIS IS SPRING ZONING CHANGE ONE THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY OF THIS TO BE RESIDENTIAL.

THEY REQUIRED ANY OF THE PROJECTS, THE RESIDENTIAL OH NO, HE CAN COME IN AND YES.

DO JUST OFFICE OR RIGHT.

WAS THERE A CONCERN ABOUT THE LEASES THAT ARE ALLOWED AT ANYONE TO SERVE, PLEASE? THERE ARE SOME, THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTENSE.

I WAS HOPING AGAIN, R P S AND ALL OF THE OTHERS AND THAT'S WHY I PUT IN MY, UH, DEVELOPMENT CHART TO SAY THAT IF THEY HAVE A BIGGER NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS, IT WILL TRIGGER P I R.

BUT IF IT'S TRUE, AS I WAS SAYING U ONE, YOU WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE SOME, ANY DISTRICT THAT ARE VERY CONTEXT SENSITIVE, USE WISE AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND WE DON'T HAVE, I WAS LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT'S THE LEAST INTRUSIVE BETWEEN AN MS AND ALLOWS FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL.

IF THE APPLICANT WANT TO GIVE GUARANTEE, WOULD THE THE VEHICLE BE JUST D RESTRICTIONS? MM-HMM.

YOU COULD TO CUT SOME OF THESE.

IT'S TOO RESTRICTED FURTHER.

YES.

UM, I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION REAL QUICK.

A LITTLE BIRD TOLD ME THAT, UM, THERE WAS AN AUTHORIZED HEARING, UM, AUTHORIZED,

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UH, FOR THE C PLEA BIRD AREA BY OUR VERY OWN COMMISSIONER BLAIR, UM, BACK IN 2020, UM, ALLEGEDLY ON YES WE'RE, UH, ALLEGEDLY, UH, TO ALLOW FOR MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT'S CALLED FOR IN A PAPER PLAN CURRENTLY.

NO, NO, THAT'S NOT THE, THAT'S NOT THE PLAN OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING.

THE PLAN OF THE AUTHORIZED HEARING TO REVIEW THE, TO, TO UPDATE THE EXISTING AUTHORIZED HEARING, NOT TO INCLUDE MORE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT TO EXCLUDE INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT IS TO TO FURTHER ILLUSTRATE THE DESIRES OF THE COMMUNITY.

TO REMAIN EXTREMELY RULED WITH COURSE, UM, UM, OPPORTUNITIES, MORE COURSE OPPORTUNITIES OPPOSED TO, UM, RESIDENTIAL GENESIS.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE PROPER THAT THE RESIDENT HAS REQUEST.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONERS ON WE, UH, GIVE YOU MY COMMISSIONER BLAIR STAYING IN DISTRICT EIGHT CASE NUMBER.

THIS ONE'S EASY, I PROMISE.

CASE NUMBER EIGHT, THIS ONE I GET EASY, I PROMISE.

I PROMISE.

MS. GARZA, GOOD MORNING.

GOOD.

AND YOU REALLY DON'T NEED, NEED ME FOR THIS ONE, UHHUH.

SO THIS ITEM IS UM, K Z 2 23 20 11.

SO