I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING
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TO ORDER.I'M KERRY CU, CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMUNITY PEACE OVERSIGHT BOARD.
WE APPEAR TO HAVE A QUORUM OF OUR BOARD.
THE MISSION OF THE COMMUNITY PEACE OVERSIGHT BOARD TO ENHANCE THE PUBLIC'S TRUST THAT COMPLAINTS OF MISCONDUCT AGAINST DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYEES ARE CONDUCTED, FAIR AND THOROUGHLY OR TRANSPARENT.
AND ENSURE CITY OF DALLAS RESIDENTS HAVE AN ACCESSIBLE MEANS TO THE COMPLAINT, PROCESS, DUTIES AND FUNCTIONS.
AND ENSURE FAIR ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESS OF EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINTS.
REVIEW FACTS AND EVIDENCE OF A CRITICAL OR EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT AGAINST A POLICE OFFICER.
DIRECT A MONITOR OFFICER, COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT TO INITIATE INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY OUTREACH EXCEPT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WRITTEN COMPLAINTS.
TAKES SWORN TESTIMONY FROM WITNESSES.
REQUESTS THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW DISCIPLINARY ACTION TAKEN BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE DEPARTMENTAL PROCEDURES, PRACTICES, TRAINING, AND EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS BOARD QUORUM.
NOW THIS, THE QUORUM DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO BOARD MEMBERS, IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE SPEAKING TO EVERYONE SPEAKING AT OUR BOARD MEETING.
DURING BOARD MEETINGS, MEMBERS SHALL PRESERVE ORDER AND DECORUM AND SHALL NEITHER BY CONVERSATION OR OTHERWISE DELAY OR INTERRUPTED PROCEEDINGS, NOR REFUSE TO OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE CHAIR OR THE RULES OF THE BOARD.
ALL MEMBERS SHALL ACCORD THE UTMOST COURTESY TO EACH OTHER, THE CITY EMPLOYEES, TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC APPEARING BEFORE THE BOARD AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UH, SHOULD ADHERE TO THAT AS WELL BEFORE THE BOARD.
IT SHALL REFRAIN FROM ALL TIMES FROM RUDE AND DEROGATORY REMARKS, REFLECTION AS TO INTEGRITY, ABUSIVE COMMENTS AND STATEMENTS AS TO MOTIVES AND PERSONALITIES.
NOW WE WILL START PUBLIC COMMENT.
PER OUR ADOPTED RULES AND PROCEDURES, SPEAKERS WILL BE ALLOWED THREE MINUTES PER PERSON.
THERE'S SOME DISCRETION BY ME AS NEEDED BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS.
THE TIME MAY BE ADJUSTED FROM ONE TO THREE MINUTES.
PUBLIC COMMENTS WILL ALSO BE TAKEN NEAR THE END OF THE MEETING.
FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING, PLEASE UNDERSTAND OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND HAVE HEALTHY AND EVEN SPIRITED DIALOGUE.
TO DO SO, WE MUST ESTABLISH SOME STRUCTURE TO HOW WE ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER.
WITH THAT, UH, I OPEN UP THE FLOOR.
UH, MR. WILLIAMS, DO WE HAVE ANYONE WAITING TO SPEAK? MR. MR. CHAIRMAN? THE ONLY PERSON WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WOULD BE DOLORES PHILLIPS.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE'S PRESENT OR NOT.
UM, MS. PHILLIPS, ARE YOU ON? IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE ON, SIR, MR. WILLIAMS. IS HE, IS HE LOGGED IN? NO, SHE'S NOT ON, SIR.
WITH THAT ON, WE WILL TAKE ROLL.
UH, MR. SMITH, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON.
DISTRICT TWO? UH, DISTRICT TWO.
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DISTRICT THREE? THAT'S MYSELF.BRIAN BALL? PRESENT? DISTRICT SIX.
WE DO HAVE AN OFFICIAL QUORUM.
I WILL, WE WILL GO ON WITH APPROVING OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES.
I, I'LL GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO REVIEW.
AND WHEN YOU'RE READY, I'LL ASK FOR A MOTION.
IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.
IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? OKAY.
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ACTION ITEM TWO A, THE DILL LANE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION BY O C P O, DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND I A D, MAJOR ALANISE, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER.
UH, THAT INVESTIGATION IS STILL ONGOING.
UM, AND THE SEPTEMBER MEANING, UH, MAJOR ALLEN INFORMED THE BOARD THAT I A D WAS ACTIVELY CONDUCTING THE INVESTIGATION.
AND TO HELP EXPEDITE THE CONCLUSION OF THE INVESTIGATION, SHE HAS LIMITED THE CASELOAD OF THE DETECTIVE HANDLING THE LANE INVESTIGATION.
O C P O IS ACTIVELY MONITORING THE I A B INVESTIGATION AND I'LL DEFER TO MAJOR ALLEN.
MAYOR LANIS, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? GOOD EVENING, SIR.
I'M SORRY, I WAS SPEAKING WITHOUT, WITHOUT MY MIC ON.
ARE THERE ANY UPDATES ON THE, UM, ON THE COMPLAINT BY MR. LANE? UM, YES, THERE ARE.
UH, AGAIN, THE INVESTIGATOR WAS ASSIGNED NO OTHER CASES EXCEPT FOR MR. LANES.
HE HAS COMPLETED HIS FIRST DRAFT AND SUBMITTED IT TO HIS LIEUTENANT.
UH, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION.
SO THEY WILL BE GOING BACK TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET ANSWERED TO SOME QUESTIONS.
UH, BOARD MEMBERS, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? CAN, CAN WE, BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14.
UH, DO WE KNOW, IS THERE AN EXPECTATION OF WHEN THAT WILL BE COMPLETED, THIS FOLLOW UP? UH, I DO NOT HAVE THAT.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS
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TOO IN DEPTH OR DIFFICULT.UM, AGAIN, AND BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY MADE IT TO THE LIEUTENANT LEVEL, UM, I'M SURE ONCE THEY CLEAR THAT UP, THEY'LL CONTINUE TO MOVE THAT CASE FORWARD.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE BOARD? OKAY.
WE WILL MOVE ON TO ACTION ITEM TWO B, THE C P O B POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE REVIEW OR PROPOSED POLICY RECOMMENDATION FROM C P O B, VICE CHAIRMAN REVA'S BASED ON DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE STANDARDS FOR INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS.
SO, UM, SO WE DID HAVE THE MEETING THIS MORNING.
UM, IT WENT PRETTY FAST, WENT PRETTY WELL.
UM, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY HAS LOOKED AT, UM, MR. REGIS'S PROPOSED POLICY RECOMMENDATION.
UH, BUT WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD ADVANCE THIS TO THE FULL BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
UH, I, I THINK IT'S A, A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.
UM, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT AND, UH, THE VOTE THIS MORNING WAS UNANIMOUS TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, UH, ABOUT IT, WE COULD DISCUSS IT NOW.
UH, NO ASK FOR THE BOARD TO BOTH TO.
UM, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN, UM, THE POLICY RECOMMENDATION, MINE IS LOCATED, UM, IN FRONT OF TAB TWO, AND I WANT TO SAY IT'S THE FOURTH PAGE IN, IN THE EVENT YOU WANT TO, UH, FOLLOW ALONG.
ESSENTIALLY WHAT I DID WAS, UM, WHEN I, WHEN I FIRST HEARD OR FIRST READ THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ARTICLE ON, UM, SOME IMPROVEMENTS OR OVERSIGHT THAT COULD BE, UM, UH, THAT WE, THAT D P D COULD USE OR, UH, JUST THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN D P D AND ITS RESIDENTS BETTER, UM, ALSO TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT WE ARE, UM, ALSO NOT WANTING TO, UM, WE WANT TO FALL RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE TO WHERE EVERYONE IS TREATED THE SAME, UH, BE IT RESIDENT OR BE IT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE, THE ORIGINAL, UM, THE ORIGINAL GENERAL ORDER 5 0 5 DASH ZERO ONE, WHICH IS ON THE, UH, UH, THE SECOND PAGE UNDER ENCLOSURE ONE, IT'S JUST BASICALLY A, A CAPTURE A SNAP SCREENSHOT OF OH 5 0 5 0.01.
IT BREAKS THINGS UP INTO TWO COMPLAINTS, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS WHICH GO TO AN EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, COMPLAINT PROCESS.
AND THEN YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS, UH, INTERNAL, UH, COMPLAINTS FROM OFFICERS AND SUPERVISORS THAT, UH, THAT FALL IN INTERNALLY TO D P D.
UM, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S ALL FINE AND WELL, UM, UNTIL YOU HAVE, UM, ALLEGED CRIMINAL CONDUCT POSSIBLE, RIGHT? WHETHER THAT'S, UM, UH, ABUSE OF POWER, UM, UH, UH, EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE, UM, THAT KIND OF THING.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS CLOSE THAT GAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
SO IT'S NOT AN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN EITHER OR.
AND IT ALSO SHINES A LITTLE SUNLIGHT ON THE PROCESS WITHIN D P D.
OKAY? MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY THE FULL PROCESS, BUT IT AT LEAST SHINES SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND, AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE IS TREATED EQUALLY.
MEANING, IF I WERE TO GO AND, UH, HAVE AN EXCESSIVE, UH, OR IF I WERE TO GO AND ASSAULT SOMEONE, UM, WHETHER I'M, UH, THE AGGRESSOR OR DEFENDING MYSELF, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE CHARGED CRIMINALLY FOR THAT, RIGHT? UH, INITIALLY, UM, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT D P D DOESN'T NECESSARILY FALL UNDER THOSE SAME RULES AS BY HOW THIS 5 0 5 WAS WRITTEN.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS CLOSE THE GAP AND I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE OF MY MEMO TO THE CHAIRMAN, WHICH ESSENTIALLY KEEPS
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A, UM, THE SAME.ONLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT OUTLINES THAT, UM, FOR CITIZENS, UH, COMPLAINTS RECEIVED FROM CITIZENS THAT DO NOT ALLEGE OR SUGGEST AN OFFICER'S UNREASONABLE USE OF FORCE WOULD BE, WOULD BE HANDLED THROUGH THE EXTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLAINT PROCESS.
UM, THAT SEEMS FAIRLY RE THAT SEEMS REASONABLE.
UM, AGAIN, AND THEN, UH, MOVING ON TO B, COMPLAINTS FROM OFFICERS AND SUPERVISORS THAT DO NOT ALLEGE OR SUGGEST UNREASONABLE USE OF FORCE, UH, WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS AN INTERNAL COMPLAINT.
AGAIN, NO, NO MAJOR CHANGE WHERE, WHERE THE REAL CHANGE COMES IN, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT REALLY CHANGE, BUT IT, IT, IT, IT PROVIDES TRANSPARENCY IN THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A CITIZEN, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S AN OFFICER, UH, A FELLOW OFFICER REPORTING ANOTHER OFFICER OR A SUPERVISOR REPORTING ONE OF HIS JUNIOR OFFICERS, UM, THAT ALLEGES OR SUGGESTS AN OFFICER'S USE OF FORCE WAS EXCESSIVE OR UNREASONABLE, THAT IT SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AS IT WOULD WITH ANY OF US.
AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT WHATEVER RULES THAT WE ARE SUBJECTED TO, THEY ARE SUBJECTED TO THE SAME.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT NECESS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN MY OPINION, THAT'S NOT REALLY, UM, UH, AN, UH, UH, IT, IT MOVES THE BALL FORWARD IN THAT WE'RE ABLE TO, UH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, MAKE SURE THAT OFFICERS WHO HAVE COMPLAINTS AGAINST FELLOW OFFICERS, THAT IT'S HANDLED APPROPRIATELY AS WELL AND NOT, YOU KNOW, AND NOT BEHIND, UH, DPDS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BLUE LINE KIND OF THING THAT EVERYONE LIKES TO REFER TO.
UM, AND I'M NOT, AND AND BY NO MEANS AM I ALLEGING THAT THAT OCCURS, BUT WHEN IT'S NOT SPELLED OUT THE WAY IT IS NOW, IT KIND OF LEAVES A LITTLE ROOM IN THERE FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.
UH, IT LEAVES A LITTLE ROOM IN THERE FOR SOME AMBIGUITY.
AND, UH, I SAY WE, YOU KNOW, I SAY WE MOVE THIS FORWARD AND KIND OF, UM, SHINE SOME LIGHT ON SOME THINGS.
UM, I, I CAN'T SEE, UM, WHERE, WHO, WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE PUR, YOU KNOW, IF WE PROPOSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
SO LET, LET, LEMME JUST SAY SOMETHING.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA BACK THIS UP A LITTLE.
THIS IS NOT JUST MR. REVA SAYING THIS, THIS IS NOT JUST THE, UH, POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE SAYING THIS, THIS WAS, THIS WAS NUMBER ONE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS STORY, UM, WHERE, UH, THE DALLAS NEWS FOUND THE, IDENTIFIED THE SHORTCOMINGS AND THE JUSTICE.
THIS IS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT THAT RECOMMENDS THIS.
SO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A COMPLAINT THAT ALLEGES OR SUGGESTS THAT AN OFFICER'S USE OF FORCE WAS WILLFULLY, INTENTIONALLY, RECKLESSLY OR KNOWINGLY, EXCESSIVE OR UNREASONABLE, SHOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS A CRIMINAL COMPLAINT.
AND THAT'S WHAT MR. RIVAS IS SUGGESTING, AND THAT'S WHAT THE POLICY SUBCOMMITTEE AGREED WITH THIS MORNING.
SO, SO IF WE, SO IF WE DECIDE TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION, IT'S NOT JUST US, IT IS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE IS JUST LET'S, LET'S HAVE SOME TRANSPARENCY.
LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL BEING SUBJECTED TO THE SAME RULES, UM, BECAUSE EVERYBODY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, UM, EVEN ON THEIR, EVEN ON THEIR BAD DAYS, IF THAT'S WHAT ENDS UP, YOU KNOW, HAPPENING HERE.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIR.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? YES, SIR.
UH, JUST, JUST SO I CAN KNOW AS WELL, AND, AND, AND MAYBE THERE'S SOMEONE OUT THERE THAT WOULD BE CURIOUS LISTENING, BUT, UH, THE PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT, UH, TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT.
WHERE IS IT UNDER THE I A D? WHAT'S, WHAT IS THIS? SO THERE, UM, THERE WAS A, UM, AND IT WAS IN THE GENERAL ORDER.
I, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST IF D P D ANSWERED, UM, THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN IA AND PUBLIC INTEGRITY.
'CAUSE I DO BELIEVE IT IS TWO, TWO SEPARATE UNITS AND, UH, MAJOR ESE.
CAN YOU CLARIFY WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T, OR WHETHER IT FALLS UNDER YOUR PURVIEW IN IA? BUT, UM, IT, I READ IT THAT THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE, UM, UM, ENTITIES, MR. CHAIR? YES.
I A D DOES NOT PLAY A ROLE WITH PUBLIC INTEGRITY.
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DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, I GUESS SO.AND NORMALLY WHEN THERE'S A CRIMINAL COMPLAINT, IT, DOES IT GO TO THE P TO THE, UH, PUBLIC INTEGRITY UNIT WITHIN THE POLICE AT THIS, AT THIS POINT, CRIMINAL COMPLAINTS ARE SENT TO PUBLIC INTEGRITY? YES.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OH, THANK YOU, JUDGE C VICTOR LANDER, DISTRICT EIGHT.
WHEN REPUBLICAN INTEGRITY UNIT DOES AN INVESTIGATION, WHAT IS THE RESULT OF THAT INVESTIGATION? OR WHERE DOES THE RESULT GO? COLONEL MAJOR, I'M SORRY.
SO WHEN PUBLIC INTEGRITY CONDUCTS THEIR INVESTIGATION, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON THE OUTCOME.
HOWEVER, PUBLIC INTEGRITY WILL SEND THEIR INVESTIGATIONS TO I A D TO CONDUCT AN ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION OR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF IT.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT GOES FROM PUBLIC INTEGRITY TO I A D AND ASSUMING FOR THE PURPOSES OF ARGUMENT THAT THE, THE OFFICER IS FOUND TO BE, UM, NOT GUILTY, BUT, UH, RESPONSIBLE, WHERE DOES IT GO FROM THERE? IT, YOU SAID IF HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY, NO.
IF HE IS FOUND GUILTY THROUGH THE, UH, TWO ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCIES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHERE DOES IT GO NEXT? DOES IT GO TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE? IS IT FILED AS A CRIMINAL COMPLAINT? YES.
SO IF IT IS FOUND THAT THE OFFICER, IF THERE'S ENOUGH PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THEM FOR P I U TO SUBMIT THEIR CASE TO THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THEY WILL, IT WILL GO THERE.
BUT IT WILL STILL COME TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OR INVESTIGATION.
SO, MAJOR ALLEN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THIS.
SO YOU, YOU HAVE TWO INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON.
YOU HAVE THE, THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION GOING ON, THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION.
THEN YOU HAVE THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
THE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT INVESTIGATION WILL DETERMINE WHETHER ACTUAL CHARGES ARE FILED.
THE ADMINISTRATIVE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION DETERMINE WHETHER POLICY WAS ADHERED TO, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MM-HMM.
UH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE, UH, SPECIFIC WORDING.
AND THIS IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T CAUSE PROBLEMS DOWN THE LINE, BUT IS, WAS THERE ANY SPECIFIC REASON WHY THE, THE LANGUAGE CHANGES BETWEEN A AND B? AND THEN C UH, IN TERMS OF USE OF FORCE WAS WILLFULLY INTENTIONALLY RECKLESSLY OR KNOWINGLY EXCESSIVE OR UNREASONABLE AS OPPOSED TO OFFICERS UNREASONABLE USE OF FORCE? AND THAT'S IT.
I I SAY THIS JUST IN TERMS OF THERE MIGHT BE SITUATIONS WHERE IT IS POTENTIALLY CLASSIFIED AS NEGLIGENT USE OF FORCE.
AND THEN WHERE DOES THAT GO THEN IN TERMS OF A, B OR C? UH, JUST IN USE, IN TERMS OF DRAFTING, ANYTIME I SEE A SHIFT BETWEEN LANGUAGE, RIGHT? I, I GET, IN TERMS OF STYLISTICALLY, IT MIGHT READ A LOT CLEANER.
UH, BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE SOMETHING I NOTICED THAT JUST POPPED OUT TO ME.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A GOOD SOLUTION.
NO, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
SO, UM, TO ME, WHEN I HEAR THE WORD NEGLIGENCE, IT SAYS SOMEONE HAS DETERMINED SOMETHING TO BE NEGLIGENT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS, UM, IN, FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, IN B, RIGHT? IF NO, IF, IF THERE'S NO ALLEGED OR SUGGESTION THAT AN OFFICERS, UM, WAS USED AN UNREASONABLE USE OF FORCE, THEN, AND I A D REVIEWS THAT, RIGHT? THEY DO THEIR INTERNAL ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION AND THEY LOOK AT IT AND GO, WELL, ACTUALLY THERE WAS, YOU BROKE POLICY OR, OR WHATNOT.
UM, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, I I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE LINES REMAINED CLEAN IN, IN THE WAY THAT THEY ARE IN, IN THE CURRENT POLICY.
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TO ME IT'S VERY, UH, IT'S VERY, UM, IT'S VERY CLEAR TO A, TO A, TO A LAY PERSON, RIGHT? UM, NOT A, NOT A LEGAL SCHOLAR BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION.UM, IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY CLEAR TO ME AS A LAY PERSON WHEN I HEAR SOMEONE SAY, UM, HEY, THERE'S NO ALLEGED USE OF, UH, UNREASONABLE USE OF FORCE OR NEGLIGENT OR, OR, UH, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHEREAS WHERE, WHERE, IF THERE IS, WHERE IT'S, WHERE IT'S WILLFUL, WHERE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO.
AND I KNOW THE LANGUAGE IS DIFFERENT, BUT THAT WAS THE METHOD BEHIND THE MADNESS ON THAT ONE.
AND, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT REALLY FLIES.
AND MAYBE YOU COULD HELP SHAPE THAT, UM, SHOULD, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE BOARD DECIDE THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION AS A FOLLOW UP.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT THIRD SECTION IS TRYING TO, IN SOME WAY TRACK THE PENAL CODE, AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEGLIGENCE, LAWFULNESS, ET CETERA.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE YOU WERE GETTING AT.
ARE YOU TRYING TO TRACK THE PENAL CODE? WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IS THAT OUR OFFICERS, AND WHETHER, AND I DON'T KNOW, AS THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS TAKEN FROM THEIR, HOW THEY WROTE IT, RIGHT? TO ME, THIS SEEMS REASONABLE.
AND SO I'M LOOKING AT IT FROM, FROM A, FROM THE, FROM, AGAIN, FROM A LAY PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE.
UM, NOT ANYONE WHO, WHO HAS BEEN TO LAW SCHOOL OR IS PRACTICING, YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY THAT HOWEVER WE NEED TO SHAPE THIS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP HURTING, UM, THAT WE DON'T, THAT WE END UP, UM, WITH INCREASED TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY IS ALL I'M TRYING TO REACH.
AND WHATEVER LANGUAGE IT IS WE NEED TO USE TO DO THAT, UM, I AM TOTALLY OPEN TO, SO, SO, SO ONE THING, AND YOU KNOW, MY, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, UH, YOU KNOW, I WENT TO LA LAW LAW SCHOOL AND BOSTON LEGAL AND, UH, THE PRACTICE LAW SCHOOL, MAN, I, I GRADUATED C*M LAUDE FROM THE PRACTICE LAW SCHOOL.
BUT, UM, FOR THOSE ALL LAW TV SHOWS.
SO WHEN, SO WHEN I LOOK AT, AT, AT THIS AND, AND JUDGE, I SEE WHAT YOU, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE WHEN I LOOK AT THIS.
'CAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHO DETERMINES WHAT'S UNREASONABLE, WHO DETERMINES, AND THEN, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THIS IS JUST AN ALLEGATION, SO THE PERSON THAT'S MAKING THE ALLEGATION, SO THAT HAS THAT ALLEGATION, HAS TO BE CONFIRMED.
MEANING IT COULD BE CONFIRMED THAT THERE WAS A REASONABLE FORCE USED, OR IT COULD BE CONFIRMED THAT IT'S NOT, THIS IS SIMPLY AN ALLEGATION.
SO, UH, DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE WORDING PERFECT, LEGALLY PERFECT BEFORE WE VOTE ON A RECOMMENDATION? OR, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN VOTE ON IN SPIRIT AND THEN HAVE LAWYERS WORDSMITH IT AFTER THE FACT? SO THE WAY THE THESE, UH, THINGS NORMALLY WORK IS THAT ONCE WE, ONCE WE VOTE ON THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION, AND IT'LL GO OVER TO THE POLICE CHIEF, AND THE POLICE CHIEF WILL NORMALLY WORK WITH THE OFFICE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT THEY HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
IT MIGHT NOT BE, THE WORDING MIGHT CHANGE SOME, 'CAUSE THERE WILL BE, CITY ATTORNEYS WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS.
SO THERE MAY, THERE'D BE SOME SLIGHT CHANGE IN THE WORDING, BUT I THINK THE SPIRIT WILL STILL BE THERE.
SO THEN I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE PROBABLY HOLD A VOTE ON WHETHER TO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
AND THEN LATER WE CAN EITHER HAVE ATTORNEYS ON THIS BOARD OR THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY OR WHOEVER NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT TO, TO MAKE SURE THE WORDING IS APPROPRIATE.
YEAH, I'M, I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OKAY.
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MY COMMENT ON THE WORDING, I DON'T THINK IF OTHER PEOPLE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, WITH THIS.UM, ESPECIALLY TOO, IF, IF HOW IT'S GOING TO BE MOVING FORWARD, IT CAN BE POTENTIALLY ADJUSTED OR TWEAKED.
UM, I I, I THINK EVEN AS IS IT, IT MIGHT BE COMPLETELY, UM, PERFECTLY OKAY WORDING.
IT WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT POPPED OUT TO ME TO FLAG AS SOMETHING TO MAYBE KEEP AN EYE ON.
AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IF IT'S WORDSMITHED A LITTLE BIT, THAT CAN BE DONE IN THAT PROCESS.
AND I, I, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS REALLY TRYING TO GET PERFECTION.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A FIRM UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT IS.
AND THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS, LIKE, I HAD A FEW, BUT AS, AS JUDGE WAS TALKING, IT KIND OF HELPED ME UNDERSTAND MINE.
SO, SO IF WE, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION AND SEND IT TO CHIEF GARCIA, LAUREN GILBERT SMITH, DISTRICT FOUR.
I MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS, UM, REVISION OF THE D P D GENERAL ORDER SECTION 5 0 5 0.012.
WHERE WAS IT GOING FOR THE MOTIONS? THAT, THAT WE APPROVE THAT WE ACCEPT THIS RECOMMENDATION AND THAT, UH, WE WANT TO SEND TO CHIEF GARCIA.
DID WE APPROVE IT AND SEND IT TO CHIEF GARCIA? BRANDON FRIEDMAN, DISTRICT 14 SECOND.
THE SECOND, I KNOW WE JUST HAD DISCUSSION, BUT BEFORE WE VOTE, IS THERE ANY UN READINESS? OKAY, NO UN READINESS.
I'M GONNA DO A ROLL CALL VOTE.
JOSE RE WITH DISTRICT SEVEN? YES.
DISTRICT 12 T WADSWORTH DISTRICT 12? YES.
OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR BRIEFING SECTION OF THE AGENDA.
THREE A, UH, TWO SEPTEMBER, 2023.
JUAN VICENTE Z VELA LOPEZ, NUMBER TWO.
UM, O C P O, SPECIAL INVESTIGATOR WILLIAMS. MR. WILLIAMS, YOU'RE ON MUTE MEETING YOUR BOARD MEMBERS AND CHAIRMAN.
I'M DOING A MONTH AS SEPTEMBER.
WE HAD TWO DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT OFFICER SHOOTINGS.
THIS IS THE NINTH, 10TH OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING OF THE YEAR.
I'VE SENT THE SUMMARY OF, UM, PRELIMINARY FACTS TO BOARD MEMBERS AND I'LL, I'LL GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY HERE TO PLAY THE VIDEO.
ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023, ABOUT 1:30 PM DALLAS POLICE OFFICER DERRICK WILLIAMS AND CHRISTOPHER MENEN WERE DRIVING PAST THE BUSINESS LOCATED ON 48 47 SCENE ROAD WHEN THEY SAW A SUSPECT LATER IDENTIFIED AS 45 YEAR OLD JUAN VINCENT ZAVALA LOPEZ SHOOTING IN, IN, INTO A VEHICLE.
THE OFFICERS TURNED INTO THE NEARBY BUSINESS PARKING LOT, GOT OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES WITH THE DUTY WEAPONS DRAWN.
AVA AND LOPEZ FILED SEVERAL TIMES THAT OFFICERS AS HE PULLED OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, HITTING THE PATROL CAR, OUTPLAY
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A VIDEO THEM, HEY, STOP.SHOTS FIRED EL WHERE IS HE IN THE CAR? UH, COFFEE TOWN.
DUDE, HE'S GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK THIS WAY.
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO? HE'S GONNA COME BACK.
UH, HE'S GOING IN THE APARTMENT OVER KIND LIKE HE'S IN THE ONE RIGHT NOW.
GUYS, THIS IS A DEAD END ON EL CAP TERRA.
HE'S GONNA PROBABLY COME BACK OUT ON US.
CAN YOU COVER CODE THREE? HEY, WE NEED TO GET COVERED.
WHAT THE HELL? I THINK I'M GOOD.
POSSIBLY HEADING, POSSIBLY HITTING EASTBOUND BARNES CROSS 99.
THE CAR COME BACK THE PARKING LOT.
SUSPECT'S GONNA BE IN THE PARKING LOT IN THE OTHER CHURCH.
WHERE, WHERE, WHERE? WHAT? CHURCH?
DON'T PUT YOUR FLASHLIGHT STANDING.
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MR.[00:46:38]
WILLIAMS, ARE YOU HAVING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY WITH THIS VIDEO? 'CAUSE THERE'S NO SOUND.CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY? THANK YOU.
THE DRONE DID NOT PROVIDE SOUND.
WELL NOT NECESSARILY THE DRONE VIDEO, BUT THE VIDEO WITH, WITH THE OFFICER'S BODY CAM.
THERE WASN'T ANY SOUND FROM THAT VIDEO EITHER.
I FIRST THEY RENDERED, THERE WAS NO SOUND IN THIS VIDEO EITHER.
SO MR. WILLIAMS, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS NO SOUND FOR THE DRONE FOOTAGE.
THERE WAS NO FOUND NO SOUND PERIOD FOR THAT VIDEO.
OKAY, CHAIRMAN, I'M WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK.
JEREMY, THAT WAS NOT THE BEST VIDEO I MUST HAVE MADE.
SECURITY AND DRUVA DELIVERS SEAMLESS ZERO TRUST ACCESS TO YOUR DATA, BUT ELSE.
SO WAS WAS THAT THE VIDEO THAT WAS PREPARED TO, FOR US TO VIEW WAS, WAS THAT THE VIDEO? YES, SIR.
IN FACT, WHAT I, WHAT I DID, UM, AND THIS IS MY BAD, I RAN THE, UM, THE MOST RECENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING FIRST.
SO THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE, THE 24TH.
WE HAD ONE ON THE SEPTEMBER 14TH.
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BUT, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, THAT WAS THE, THE VIDEO AND, AND THE SOUND IS KIND OF TRICKY ON IT.SO THERE'S NO SOUND FOR THE, THE VIDEO OF THE SEPTEMBER 24TH INCIDENT THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT YOU HAVE.
THERE'S NO SOUND ON THE VIDEOS THAT YOU HAVE.
UM, IT JUST DIDN'T COME THROUGH.
I MEAN, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, TO PLAY THAT LAST PART OVER FROM WHERE THE, THE DRONE CAME IN, I CAN SEE IF, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO THAT.
DO Y'ALL WANNA SEE THAT VIDEO AGAIN? N NOT AT THAT QUALITY.
LIKE I'M WATCHING THE VIDEO ON MY PHONE.
THE SOUND IS FINE ON THE YOUTUBE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH HERE.
BUT THAT, THAT WAS NOT, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT HELPFUL NO.
TO ANYBODY HERE TO, TO SIT HERE AND WATCH THAT.
IT'S NOT HELPFUL IF NO ONE CAN HEAR THE, THE SOUND OF THE VIDEO.
LET, LET'S GO TO THE FIRST SHOOTING.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PLAY IT AGAIN? NO, WE, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE SEPTEMBER 14TH VIDEO.
I MENTIONED THE SEPTEMBER VIDEO EARLIER.
IT'S MR UH, VINCENT, UH, SALIVA LOPEZ SHOOTING INTO A VEHICLE FOR THE VIDEO.
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LEFT.HEADED TOWARDS SECOND NOW SECOND HALF.
HOW GET ON RADIO, GET ON THE RADIO AND PUSH JAWS.
HEY, DON'T, DON'T GET F*****G LAZY.
I THINK THAT, HEY, TELL HIM TO YOU GOT MY SLEEP.
HEY, LET'S GET TO A LITTLE BIT OF DISTANCE.
TELL HIM TO PUSH TO US IMMEDIATELY.
I THINK I SEE HIS DRIPPING OUT OF HIS FACE.
CAN YOU SEE ANY WEAPONS? HIS HAND IS RIGHT UNDER HIM.
I THINK HIS GUN IS STILL IN THERE.
HEY, HIT HIT HIS, HIT HIS F*****G, UH, HIP GIRDLE.
YOU SEE YOUR HANDS, HANDS, HANDS, HANDS.
I STILL DON'T SEE THE OTHER ONE.
LET'S, LET'S, LET'S TRAP THAT HAND KILL ME.
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GUN.HEY, GET THAT KNIFE OUT OF HIS BACK.
WHAT, WHAT? HEY, DON'T GET THAT GUN.
HEY, DAZ, I CAN'T GIVE US LEAVE.
I HAVE HIS, I GOT HIS OTHER HAND.
UH, I HAD MY FEET ON HIS HANDS 'CAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO PULL IT FROM, UH, UNDER HIS HEAD.
I HAD TO CRUSH HIS FA HIS HANDS A BIT.
DO YOU NEED DO IT? UH, CLEAR THAT, AND WE GOTTA LOOK AT THESE HOUSES.
I THINK HE'S THE ONE, BUT, UH, I, I CAN'T EVEN TELL FROM HIS FACE.
DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU COULD GET 50 TO OVER $150,000 OF INVESTMENT CAPITAL AND 0% CHAIRMAN, THE SUSPECT, THE OFFICER THAT WAS HIT BY THE SUSPECT ON HIS RIGHT SIDE IS BALLISTIC VEST.
THE, THE SQUAD CAR WAS HIT AGAIN SEVERAL TIMES.
OFFICER WILLIAMS WAS TAKEN TO THE LOCAL HOSPITAL FOR TREATMENT AND LATER RELEASED OFFICER, UM, MAZEN WAS NOT INJURED.
THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT FUGITIVE UNIT, COORDINATED WITH DALLAS POLICE SQUAD AND LOUISVILLE POLICE TO TAKE SUSPECT IN CUSTODY.
THE SUSPECT WAS IN THE BARN ON PROPERTY TAKEN INTO CUSTODY BY DALLAS SQUAT VALLA LOPEZ WAS TAKEN TO A LOCAL HOSPITAL AND TREATED FOR, FOR GUNSHOT WOUNDS TO HIS LEGS.
ANY QUESTIONS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
OUR NEXUS MEMO, UM, I MEAN BRIEFING ITEM NUMBER THREE B, UPDATE ON THE C P O B ANNUAL REPORT.
I WILL BE WORKING WITH, UH, FORMER DIRECTOR, UM, TO FINALIZE THE REPORT THAT SHE INITIATED.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM THREE C D P D, MONTHLY ARREST DATA.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD IN REGARDS TO THE, UH, ARREST DATA?
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ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, WE MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM THREE D, UPDATE ON C P O B CHAIR AND O C P O DIRECTOR MULLEY MEETING WITH, UH, D P D CHIEF OF POLICE, EDDIE GARCIA.UH, WE DID NOT MEET THIS MONTH.
WE ARE WORKING TO SCHEDULE, UM, A NEW SERIES OF MEETINGS.
AND I'LL BEGIN WITH, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER AND WIFE RIVA SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO NAIL DOWN A DAY.
MY WORK SCHEDULE HAS CHANGED, SO I'M NO LONGER AVAILABLE ON TUESDAYS, WHICH IS THE DAY THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD MEET.
SO WE ARE WORKING TO TRY TO FIND A NEW DATE TO MEET.
ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON.
BRIEFING ITEM E UPDATE ON THE C P O B POLICY REVIEW OF DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT PROTESTS AND USE OF FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS.
DIRECTOR CHANDLER, I'LL BE WORKING WITH FORMER DIRECTOR MCCLARY ON FINALIZING THE REPORT THAT SHE INITIATED ON THAT ITEM AS WELL.
WE MOVE ON TO BRIEFING ITEM F, DISCUSSION OF C P O B TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR.
SANDLER, UH, TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET.
ARE THERE ANY TRAININGS IN PARTICULAR THAT THE BOARD IS INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN? SO THE, UH, FORMER DIRECTOR MCCLARY WAS WORKING WITH D P D TO TRY TO SCHEDULE THESE.
UM, THE, THE LIST IS PRETTY MUCH PRI PRIORITIZED, SO WE CAN, UM, WE CAN BASICALLY, UH, YOU CAN TAKE IT FROM, FROM THAT LIST THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS SHE WAS TRYING TO DO WAS TRYING TO SEE IF THEY WOULD, IF THERE WERE ANY TRAININGS THAT THEY COULD DO REMOTELY, WAS ONE THING.
THE OTHER THING IS IF THERE COULD BE MULTIPLE DAYS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS AVAILABLE ON THE WEEKEND, NOT EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE DURING THE WEEKDAY, UH, IN THE MORNING, AND NOT EVERYONE IS AVAILABLE WE DURING THE EVENING.
SO I THINK ONE THING IS PROBABLY CREATING KIND OF A, A, A POLL SENT OUT TO THE BOARD SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHERE THEIR AVAILABILITY, THE AVAILABILITY IS WITH ONE FOR A SATURDAY MORNING, ANOTHER FOR A WEEK, DAY, NIGHT, AND ANOTHER FOR A WEEKDAY MORNING.
AND WE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT OFFLINE TOO.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? ALL RIGHT.
NEXT IS, UH, BRIEFING ITEM G UPDATE STATUS OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION REQUESTED.
UH, C P O B, DIAMOND ROSS AND KIMBERLY AND RES JEFFERSON, O C P O DIRECTOR CHANDLER, UH, THE DIAMOND ROSS IS STILL IN LITIGATION AND THE KIMBERLY AND TERRES JEFFERSON IS CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION BY O C P O.
UM, INTERVIEWS HAVE BEEN SCHEDULED.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT.
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JAMES, MIKE ON, OH, UM, MY NAME IS JAMES GRIFFIN.I AM, UH, THE NEW COMPLAINT INTAKE SPECIALIST WITH O C P O AND I HAVE ATTACHED THE MONTHLY ACTIVITY REPORT MEMO, MONTHLY ACTIVITY CHART, AND SEPTEMBER COMPLAINTS SUMMARIES UNDER AGENDA ITEM FOUR.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? WELL, UM, JAMES, WELCOME.
C P L B IS NOT ONLY COMMITTED TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUT ALSO TO CONTINUE LEARNING IN AREAS OF OVERSIGHT, POLICING, CRIMINAL JUSTICE, ANY OTHER TOPICS THE BOARD DEEMS RELEVANT TO ITS WORK.
UM, BELOW IS PROPOSED TRAINING.
A TWO HOUR ZOOM TRAINING STARTED WITH AN INTRODUCTION OVERVIEW VIEW OF AVAILABLE DATA, POLICE INCIDENTS, ARRESTS, ARREST CHARGES AND USE OF FORCE, AND THEN A SHORT SKILLS TUTORIAL GOING THROUGH THE BASICS OF DOWNLOADING AND WORKING WITH DATA.
UH, THEY WOULD THEN LIKE TO PUT BOARD MEMBERS INTO SMALL GROUPS, TWO TO THREE TO WORK WITH THE DATA AND BREAKOUT ROOMS, IDEALLY WITH EACH WORKING WITH A DIFFERENT DATA SET AND THEN REPORTING BACK ON THEIR FINDINGS.
UH, AND WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST MONTH, DIDN'T WE? YEAH.
UH, SO THE IDEA HERE IS, UH, TO HELP BOARD MEMBERS BE ABLE TO LOOK AT DATA AND ALSO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT OF, UH, DATA.
UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER WILL WORK WITH MR. DUNKS AND MR. HIGGINS TO GET THE TRAINING SCHEDULED BY THE END OF THE YEAR.
AND SO FOR THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, THERE WAS NO, UH, TRAINING ITEMS FOR THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
THERE WASN'T ANYTHING, UH, TRAINING.
BUT NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 12TH THROUGH THE 16TH IS THE 29TH ANNUAL NACO CONFERENCE IN CHICAGO.
AND THAT IS ALL WE HAVE FOR TRAINING RIGHT NOW.
UPDATE ON THE BOARD MEMBER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
SO THE LAST WE HAVE IS, UH, FROM AUGUST WITH ON, UH, BOARD MEMBER MAPLES REPRESENTED US AT THE, UH, SEVEN ANNUAL PROJECT UNITY TOGETHER.
WE BALL EVENT THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT WE'RE GOING, UH, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME BOARD MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE NEXT YEAR.
UH, ANYTHING NEW THE BOARD MEMBERS WANT TO TALK ABOUT? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, MA'AM.
UM, YESTERDAY, UH, OCTOBER 9TH WAS THE, UM, ANNUAL EVENT.
UM, IT WAS HELD AT FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH DOWNTOWN, WHICH IS THE FAITH AND BLUE EVENT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FAITH LEADERS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY.
AND, UM, I ATTENDED THAT YESTERDAY AND IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO MANY OF THE OFFICERS AND, UM, EXPRESS OUR BELIEF IN OUR BOARD OF WHAT WE DO AND THE NECESSITY FOR, UM, COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT.
HOW, HOW WERE YOU RECEIVED? VERY WELL.
WELL, WHO'S GONNA BE MEAN TO D WISE'S? WORD
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IF I MAY, UM, REAL QUICK, I, I WANT TO, UM, WANNA HIGHLIGHT A A COUPLE OF THINGS FIRST.
UM, THERE WAS A, UM, UNFORTUNATELY IN OUR COMMUNITY, THERE WAS A RECENT, UM, HOMICIDE, UM, OVER IN THE FRAZIER COURTS, UH, TOWNHOUSE AREA.
AND, UM, I WENT OUT THERE, UM, JUST TO, UH, SEE THE RESIDENTS KIND OF GET THEIR FEEDBACK.
I WANTED TO GET, UM, ESSENTIALLY, UM, UH, GROUND LEVEL FEEDBACK FROM AS AN EVENT HAS OCCURRED OR RIGHT AFTER IT HAS OCCURRED.
UM, I HAVE TO SAY THAT FRAZIER COURT, UH, RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN, UM, THEY WERE VERY VOCAL IN STATING HOW MUCH THEY APPRECIATE D P D BEING OUT THERE.
THEY WISH THEY HAD MORE OF IT.
THERE'S APPARENTLY A LOT OF CRIME IN THAT AREA THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE SUFFERING FROM.
UM, SO I WANTED TO, I WANTED TO, UM, LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT, UM, UH, FRAZIER COURT WANTS OUR, WANTS OUR OUR OFFICERS OUT THERE.
SO WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS, UM, I WANT TO REENGAGE WITH THEM AND I'VE, UH, I'VE REACHED OUT TO 'EM, I'VE ASKED THEM TO COME OUT TO THESE MEETINGS AS WELL, LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE.
UM, THAT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THAT POLICE OVERSIGHT ALSO INCLUDES MAKING SURE OFFICERS ARE, ARE RESPONDING, MAKING SURE THAT THAT SERVICE FROM THE CITY IS BEING PROVIDED.
UM, AND THEY WERE, THEY WERE, UH, THEY WERE VERY HAPPY.
I WANTED TO DISPEL ANY, ANY MYTHS OR RUMORS THAT, THAT COME OUT OF THE COMMUNITY FROM OVER THERE THAT, UH, THAT THEY DON'T WANT THE POLICE THERE.
THAT COULD, COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.
SECOND, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, UM, I'M GLAD THAT NONE OF OUR OFFICERS WERE HURT.
UM, REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT THEIR TRAINING KICKED IN.
UM, THAT ONE WITH THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BARN COULD HAVE GONE, COULD HAVE GONE SIDEWAYS, UM, PRETTY QUICKLY, UH, WITH THE WAY HE WAS, UH, UM, HUDDLED UP THERE.
SO, UM, JUST REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THOSE GUYS FOR, FOR DOING A, A REALLY HARD JOB.
AND, UM, AND REFRAINING FROM OVERREACTING.
UM, THEY JUST RELIED ON THEIR TRAINING AS, AS WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO DO WITH RESPECT TO THOSE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.
I'D LIKE TO ASK THAT WHEN THOSE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS HAPPEN, IF WE COULD, IF, IF WE COULD BE NOTIFIED EITHER AS A BOARD, WHATEVER'S EASIEST, UM, OR IF YOU GUYS DECIDE HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHEN THERE'S AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING IN THE, IN OUR DISTRICT.
I DON'T WANNA BE THERE, I DON'T WANNA GET IN THE WAY, BUT IF I'M NOT AT WORK, UM, AND I'M AVAILABLE, UM, THEN I WOULD LIKE TO GO OUT THERE AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTS THAT I'VE GATHERED AROUND TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR FEELINGS ARE ON THE GROUND, UM, WITH RESPECT TO POLICE RESPONSE, WITH RESPECT TO SAFETY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
UH, BECAUSE WHEN I WAS AT FRAZIER COURT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS, HEY, CAN YOU HELP US WITH, UM, WITH THE CONDITION OF OUR HOMES, WITH THE CONDITION OF OUR APPLIANCES, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
AND SO I WAS ABLE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND HAND IT OVER TO MY COUNSELMAN WHO HAS ENGAGED WITH FRASIER COURT.
I MEAN, SO IT'S, UH, SO YES, WE'RE THERE PR YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY FOR OUR C P O B OVERSIGHT PIECE, BUT ALSO WE CAN ALSO HELP THEM, UM, WITH ADVOCATING FOR THINGS THEY NEED, UM, OR SERVICES THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE A LITTLE BETTER.
SO WE JUST WANNA HELP WITH THAT.
SO IF I COULD PLEASE ASK FOR THAT, I'LL ASK FOR MYSELF.
BUT IF ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ARE, ARE INTERESTED, INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHEN AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING HAPPENS, I DON'T CARE IF MY PHONE GOES OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, I'M USED TO IT.
UM, BUT, UM, IF YOU WOULD LET DIRECTOR, UH, CHANDLER KNOW AND THAT WAY I JUST ASK THAT WHATEVER WE DO, DON'T GET IN, DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
UM, THEY HAVE A JOB TO DO THE POLICE AND, AND DIRECTOR.
UM, SO I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL NEED TO MAKE, MAKE THAT AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE A, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A, A BIGGER DISCUSSION ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN AND WHAT WE CAN DO AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO, BUT THAT, THAT THAT'LL GIVE, UH, DIRECTOR CHANDLER TIME TO KIND OF DO THE LEG WORK THAT I CAN WORK WITH HER ON THAT GOOD AS WELL.
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UM, I COULD SPEAK TO THE FRAZIER COURT, MY EXACTLY WHAT HAD HAPPENED AT, I MOVED MY MOTHER FROM THERE TWO YEARS AGO INTO JULIET FLOWERS, WHICH IS A NICE RETIREMENT COMMUNITY.
BUT EVEN IN FRAZIER COURT, THEY HAVE AREAS LIKE THE ONE BEDROOMS THAT ARE JUST FOR RETIRED PEOPLE OR OLDER PEOPLE, BUT IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FAMILY.
SO THAT CAN BE A LITTLE, UM, DISHEARTENING BECAUSE OF COURSE YOU GOT THE LOUD MUSIC, BUT THE ONE THING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP WAS JUST THAT I HAD TO GET UP FROM OVER THERE, GET HER FROM OVER THERE AND I'M GLAD SHE ALLOWED ME.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, AT THAT AGE, THEY DON'T WANNA DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IS, UM, WE WOULD, SHE WOULD CALL THE POLICE ALL THE TIME AND NOBODY WOULD REALLY SHOW UP.
IF, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP ON THAT SITUATION AS FAR NOT HELP.
AND IT SAYS BE INVOLVED AND HELP TO SEE HOW TO GET MORE HELP OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WERE, OR IN MY, WE'RE ABLE TO GET MY MOTHER OUT FROM OVER THERE.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT'S JUST WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE, BUT GETTING THAT RESPONSE AND MORE TIMELY GIG.
'CAUSE SHE CAN CALL AND SHE CAN GO SLEEP AND WAY BACK UP AND SOMEBODY FINALLY SHOW UP, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
AND, AND LISTEN, UH, EVERYONE'S STRUGGLING WITH RESPONSE TIMES, RIGHT.
UM, THE IDEA IS TO JUST CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR THEMSELVES.
SO OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 7TH, 2023 PER OPEN MEETINGS ACT.
THE AGENDA WILL POST SEVEN, TWO HOURS PRIOR.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH OUR BOARD MEMBERS TO ENSURE A ROBUST AND TRANSPARENT AGENDA FOR ALL.
AND SO NOW, UM, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COME IN AGAIN, UH, AND THE SAME SPEAKER GUIDELINES THAT I OUTLINED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING APPLY.
NOW IS THERE ANYBODY IN PERSON OR ON THE LINE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT? CHAIRMAN, UM, WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE ONE GENTLEMAN WHO'S BEEN BEEN WAITING SINCE, UM, THE LANE SITUATION WAS MENTIONED HERE.
UM, I HAVE HIM ON AND I'M GONNA UNMUTE HIM SO HE'D LIKE TO SPEAK.
WE COULD BARELY HEAR YOU, MR. WILLIAMS. WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN, UM, ONLINE RIGHT NOW THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
UM, HE'S BEEN TRYING TO GET IN.
MR. MARTIN, HE WAS AN ATTENDEE LAST TIME AT THE MEETING.
HE DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
SO HE'S ON BE HE'S ONLINE RIGHT NOW.
UM, I CAN UNMUTE HIM FOR HIM TO, TO SPEAK.
MR. MARTIN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES.
UH, YOU NEED TO, YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR CAMERA ON.
WELL, I APPRECIATE MR. MARTIN.
WE, WE CAN GIVE YOU, HEY, THREE MINUTES.
I APPRECIATE YOU LETTING, LETTING ME TALK.
I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS MY, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO PUTTING INTO WORDS THE DASTARDLY TREATMENT OF SERGEANT ELL LANE BY OFF-DUTY OFFICERS, JAMES SMITH AND JUAN FIGUEROA LUA ON, UH, JUNE 10TH AT SIRIUS PIZZA.
THEY, UH, TREATED HIM SHAMEFULLY.
THEY VIOLATED TEXAS STATE LAW AND THEY JUST PLAIN VIOLATED HUMAN DECENCY.
NOW, TEXAS STATE LAW 34 3 41 0.0 69 REQUIRES IF THERE ARE RESTROOM FACILITIES IN WORKING ORDER, EVEN IF THEY'RE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC, A UH, DISABLED PERSON
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WITH APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION HAS TO BE LET INTO THE BATHROOM.AND, UH, SMITH AND LOUIS DIRECTLY VIOLATED TEXAS STATE LAW.
3 41 POINT 69 BY DISALLOWING SERGEANT LANE, WHO IS WOUNDED AND HAS BOWEL AND URINARY CONTROL PROBLEMS USE OF THE BATHROOM AT SERIOUS PIZZA.
TWO OFFICERS RESPONDED TO, UH, SERGEANT LANE'S 9 1 1 CALL.
BUT BE THAT AS IT MAY, THEY CONSPIRED, AIDED AND ABETTED SMITH AND LUA IN VIOLATING, UH, SERGEANT LANE'S, UH, UH, RIGHT TO USE THE RESTROOM AND BY AIDING AND ABETTING AND FAILING TO ARREST SMITH AND LUA FOR A CLEAR VIOLATION OF TEXAS STATE LAW.
AND THEN THEY ALL PROCEEDED TO SIT AROUND AND LAUGH ABOUT IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN THE SHAMEFUL TREATMENT AND THE VIOLATING OF STATE LAW AND POLICY, THE FACT THAT THEY DID THAT, KNOWING IN TODAY'S, UH, ENVIRONMENT OF CAMERAS EVERYWHERE THAT THEY WOULD BE FOUND SHOWS EXTREME ARROGANCE AND VERY POOR JUDGMENT.
THAT WHITE FRANKLY MAKES ME CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR JUDGMENT IN OTHER POLICE MATTERS.
NOW, UH, D P D POLICY THREE ONE D AND THREE ONE E REQUIRE THEY DON'T OPTIONALLY ALLOW OFFICERS TO DETECT AND ARREST VIOLATORS OF THE LAW.
3.1 E IS ENFORCE ALL FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL LAWS AND ORDINANCES COMING WITHIN DEPARTMENTAL JURISDICTION.
THOSE ARE REQUIREMENT ACCORDING TO THE POLICY.
AND THE 2 9 1 1 RESPONDERS FAILED IN BOTH OF THOSE.
AND, UH, THE OFF-DUTY OFFICERS, SINCE THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY ON DUTY BECAUSE THEY WERE WORKING IN UNIFORM, THEY ALSO VIOLATED THOSE POLICIES AND THE ENTIRE STAFF, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND VIOLATED 4.1 DERELICTION OF DUTY 4.1, A FAILURE OF A SUPERVISOR OR COMMANDER TO IMMEDIATELY TAKE ACTION WHEN A VIOLATION OF RULES OR REGULATIONS COMES TO THEIR ATTENTION.
REGARDLESS OF SUPERVISOR OR VIOLATOR ASSIGNMENT OR RANK WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT.
4.3, NO EMPLOYEE SHALL ENGAGE IN ANY CONDUCT WHICH ADVERSELY AFFECTS THE MORALE OR EFFICIENCY OF THE DEPARTMENT, OR, WHICH HAS A TENDENCY TO ADVERSELY AFFECT, LOWER OR DESTROY PUBLIC RESPECT AND CONFIDENCE IN THE DEPARTMENT OR OFFICER FOUR POINT 11.
NO EMPLOYEE SHALL AT ANY TIME RIDICULE, MOCK, DERIVE, TAUNT OR BELITTLE ANY PERSON.
FOUR 12, NO EMPLOYEES SHALL WILLFULLY EMBARRASS, HUMILIATE, OR SHAME ANY PERSON.
FOUR 17 EMPLOYEES WILL BE COURTEOUS AND CIVIL WHEN DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC OR OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES.
EMPLOYEES WILL NOT TREAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC OR OTHER EMPLOYEES IN DISCOURTESY, IRRESPONSIBLE FOR OR INDIFFERENT MATTER.
SMITH AND LULA TREATED SERGEANT LANE IN CERTAINLY A DISCOURTEOUS, IRRESPONSIBLE, INDIFFERENT MATTER BY DISALLOWING HIM ACCESS TO THE BATHROOM.
AND NOTICE THAT THESE REQUIREMENTS DON'T REQUIRE THAT THE VICTIM OF THE HUMILIATION BE PRESENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CANNOT DO IT AT ANY TIME.
AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OFFICER OR, UH, WITHIN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, UH, TALKING ABOUT THIS AS WE DON'T CONDONE ANY CONDUCT, BUT CERTAINLY IT WAS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF MR. LANE.
HE WAS NOT PRESENT, NEITHER WAS ANYONE ELSE.
IT WAS BETWEEN THE OFFICERS THERE ON SCENE.
AND AGAIN, D P D POLICY DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT THE VICTIM OF RIDICULE BE PRESENT.
IT SAYS YOU SHALL NOT DO IT, WHICH MEANS ANY TIME.
AND AGAIN, YOU, MR. MR. MARTIN.
YOU, UM, UNFORTUNATELY RAN OUT TIME.
I CANNOT DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING THAT YOU'VE SAID.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE EARLIER, BUT THIS
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CASE IS STILL BEING INVESTIGATED BY, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND SO YES.AND SO HOPEFULLY I WAS, THERE'LL BE AN UPDATE BY NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
AND IF, IF I MAY SAY ONE MORE THING, UH, APPARENTLY EARLY ON THE, UH, LET'S SEE HERE.
WHERE WAS THAT? OH, IN THE SEPTEMBER BOARD MEETING, I, A D SAID THEY HAD NOT HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE BODY CAM.
NOW EVEN I KNOW TO REVIEW BODY CAMERA AND I, AND THE 9 1 1 RESPONDERS HAD IT, AND I'M SURE SIRIUS PIZZA HAD SECURITY CAMERAS AND THE OFF-DUTY OFFICERS WERE IN VIOLATION OF CHIEF GARCIA'S DIRECTIVE THAT WHEN THEY'RE WORKING OFF-DUTY JOBS IN UNIFORM, THEY HAVE THEIR BODY CAMERAS ON AND OPERATIONAL.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S THINGS LIKE THIS THAT MAKE PEOPLE DISTRUST THE POLICE AND FEEL BAD ABOUT 'EM.
AND THEN YOU WONDER WHY NOBODY WANTS TO CALL 9 1 1 AND NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THEM.
AND IT GIVES THE OTHER OFFICERS A BAD NAME.
AND, UH, BEFORE I FORGET, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A COUPLE OF, UH, VETERANS ON BOARD AND I MYSELF WAS IN THE AIR FORCE 5, 7, 9.
AND I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW VETERANS ON D P D FILLED OUT.
UH, MR. WILLIAMS, IS THE LORD PHILLIPS ON THE LINE? NO, SIR.
YOU SAID MS. DOLORES, PHYLLIS WAS NOT ON THE LINE.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE LINE TO, UH, TO SPEAK? NO, SIR.
WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? YES, HONOR.
UM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, MAY I REQUEST RESPECTFULLY THAT THE, UH, NEW, UM, BOARD, UH, HEAD, UH, WHAT'S YOUR PARTICULAR TITLE? UH, INTERIM DIRECTOR.
MAKE SURE THAT OUR BADGES WORK SO WE CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THIS BUILDING AND BE MOST APPRECIATIVE.
WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.
SECOND IS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED.
SECOND TO ADJOURN THE MEETING.
UM, WE HAVE ANY UN READINESS? ALRIGHT, PUT IT TO A VOTE.
ANY OPPOSED? MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:26 PM.