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[Environmental Commission on October 11, 2023. ]
GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.UH, TODAY IS WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 11TH, AND THE TIME IS NOW 5:40 PM UH, I'M CHAIRWOMAN KATHERINE BAAN AND I CALL THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION TO ORDER.
WE WELCOME YOUR PARTICIPATION IN OUR MEETINGS, IN THE LANGUAGE OF YOUR PREFERENCE.
AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST TRANSLATION OR OTHER ACCESSIBILITY SERVICES TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE CALL 2 1 4 6 7 1 8 5 2 2 2 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 8TH AT 5:30 PM ALL RIGHT.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS THIS EVENING AND WE ARE RUNNING JUST A LITTLE BIT LATE FOR TECHNICAL ISSUES.
AND SO WE ARE GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO OUR ROLL CALL, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET TO OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS.
WHEN I CALL YOUR DISTRICT, PLEASE RESPOND WITH YOUR NAME.
DISTRICT FIVE, TRACY WALLACE, DISTRICT SIX.
TAMIKA DERE, DISTRICT EIGHT, RENEE ROBERTSON.
DISTRICT 12 IS OH, BARRY LACKMAN.
UH, DISTRICT FORT 13 IS VACANT.
DISTRICT 14 IS ABSENT, AND DISTRICT 15 IS ALSO ABSENT.
MOVING ON TO OUR TECHNICAL PANELIST, MS. ING.
MS. BAYOU? I DON'T SEE MR. ZAVE.
SEE IF WE CAN GET HIM TO TURN HIS CAMERA OFF.
MS. EVANS, MR. WILKINS, MS. REAGAN AND MS. THOMAS.
MS. EKE? MS. GILL? PRESENT? PRESENT.
OH, THERE, SHE'S AND MS. COST.
ALL MEMBERS A REMINDER, IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY, YOU'LL NEED TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON FOR THE DURATION OF THE MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA GET RIGHT TO OUR PUBLIC SPEAKERS THIS EVENING.
UH, WE HAVE FIVE REGISTERED SPEAKERS.
I'M GONNA RECITE OUR SPEAKER GUIDELINES.
UM, SPEAKERS MUST OBSERVE THE SAME RULES OF TY DECORUM IN GOOD CONDUCT, APPLICABLE TO MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION.
ANY SPEAKER MAKING PERSONAL AND PERTINENT PROFANE OR SLANDEROUS REMARKS, OR WHO BECOMES BOISTEROUS WHILE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE MEETING.
EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
AND WHEN YOUR TIME IS ENDED, PLEASE CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS.
UH, FOR THOSE PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY, YOU MUST HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON IN ORDER TO SPEAK.
AARON, WILL YOU NOTE THAT MS. THOMAS IS PRESENT? DO YOU HAVE THE SPEAKER LIST HANDY? JUST SPEAKER? I GOT IT.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CHRIS FAM.
YOU'LL JUST USE THE BUTTON RIGHT THERE.
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MY NAME IS CHRIS FAM.I LIVE AT 2 8 0 2 HYDE COVE TROPHY CLUB, TEXAS.
BUT I LOVE TO FREQUENT DALLAS AND PARTICULARLY THE TURTLE CREEK UPTOWN AND OAK LAWN AREA.
I'M HERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF TURTLE CREEK ASSOCIATION, A NONPROFIT WHICH IS FOCUSED ON PRESERVING, ENHANCING, AND PROTECTING THE HEALTH OF THE CREEK.
UM, I WANTED TO KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE STRUGGLES WE ARE HAVING AS WELL AS IMPLORE YOU GUYS TO, UM, START A CONVERSATION WITH TURTLE CREEK ASSOCIATION.
PERHAPS COME TOGETHER WITH A SOLUTION OR A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE COULD REALLY WORK FOR.
UM, SO SOME BACKSTORY, TURTLE CREEK, UM, IS, IT ACTS AS A FLOODWAY, BUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE WATER DRAINS, UM, ALL THE TRASH THAT IS IN THE AREA OF THE NORTH DALLAS AREA, IT ALL IS DRAINING INTO THE TURTLE CREE.
AND SO OVER THE COURSE OF SIX MONTHS, TURTLE CREEK ASSOCIATION HAS REMOVED ABOUT TWO AND A HALF TONS OF TRASH.
ADDITIONALLY, WE'RE SEEING THAT BECAUSE OF HOW RAPIDLY, UM, THE WATER IS FLOWING, WHENEVER IT RAINS AND THE LACK OF BANK STABILIZATION, WE'RE SEEING THAT THE EROSION OF THE WATER IS STARTING TO CARVE OUT THE DIRT.
AND SO WE REALLY NEED BANK STABILIZATION ALONG THE CREEK.
UM, SOMETHING TO HELP THESE TREES AS WELL AS, UM, THE GENERAL SURROUNDING AREA SURVIVE.
LASTLY, UM, I WANNA RAISE THE ATTENTION THAT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF TRASH AND POLLUTANTS FROM THAT CONSTRUCTION FALL IN.
WE'RE SEEING CONCRETE, UH, UM, THIS ISN'T ALLOWED ANYMORE, BUT, UM, PRIOR TO CONCRETE WAS BEING THROWN INTO THE CREEK FROM, UM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, AS WE'RE SEEING THESE THREE NEW TOWERS, OR I BELIEVE IT'S FOUR, SORRY, UM, FOUR NEW DEVELOPMENTS GO IN.
WE ARE LOSING IMPERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, SORRY.
UM, AND ADDING MORE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE IN THAT UPTOWN AREA.
I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A GREAT CONCERN FOR THE HEALTH OF THE CREEK, ESPECIALLY AS WE'RE ALREADY SEEING PRETTY HIGH BLOOD LEVELS WHENEVER IT DOES RAIN AND THE RESULTING TRASH AND SO COMMISSION.
UM, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
I, UM, I'D LOVE TO START A CONVERSATION.
UM, AND SO IF YOU GUYS HAVE TIME AFTER THE MEETING TO DISCUSS OR TALK OR EXCHANGE INFORMATION, I'D LOVE TO.
UM, AND WE WILL PUT YOU IN TOUCH WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIONER FOR YOUR DISTRICT AND I'LL EMAIL YOU WITH THE CONTACT INFORMATION IN MINE AS WELL.
UH, OUR NEXT SPEAKER THIS EVENING IS, UH, STEVEN KLEIN.
UH, THE FOCUS OF MY COMMENTS THIS EVENING ARE, ARE THOSE RELATING TO UPDATES TO THE CITY'S VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM? UH, I'M A MEMBER OF THE LOVE FIELD CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE, AND IT'S A GROUP TO WHICH I'M ACTUALLY A RELATIVE NEWCOMER.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS HERE WITH US TONIGHT, UH, WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CRAFTING SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONAL ELEMENTS OF OUR CURRENT VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM AS RELATES TO TRYING TO MITIGATE AND CONTROL NOISE ISSUES AT, UH, DALLAS LOVE FIELD AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, IN PLACEMENTS AT THE AIRPORT, UH, ARE AT AN ALL TIME HIGH.
UH, WE OPERATE WITHIN A FEDERAL REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT THAT OFFERS US SOME TOOLS TO REGULATE, UH, OPERATIONAL NOISE AT THE AIRPORT LOCALLY.
HOWEVER, MANY, MANY MUST BE APPROVED BY THE F A A.
AND SO IN THAT CONTEXT, WE PARTICIPATED IN A SIX MEETING SERIES WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AND OTHER, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY CONCERNED, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, UH, AND THE LIKE TO ATTEMPT TO CRAFT MEANINGFUL UPDATES TO THE VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM.
UH, THAT WOULD STILL FLY WITH THE F A A AND WE HOPE, UH, DALLAS CITY COUNCIL.
AND I BELIEVE THAT WE PRODUCED A GOOD SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACT UPON.
WE BELIEVE ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE REALISTIC.
UM, SOME OF THEM DON'T COST ANY MONEY AT ALL.
THEY'RE STRICTLY OPERATIONAL CHANGES.
UH, BUT THE GOAL IS TO DISPLACE THAT NOISE TO A LOCATION WHERE IT LEAST AFFECTS, UM, THE COMMUNITIES.
UH, UNDER THE FLIGHT PASS AND SURROUNDING DALLAS LOVE FIELD, UH, SOME OF THE ESSENTIAL ELEMENTS, UH, THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON ARE RESTORING COMPLIANCE WITH THE VOLUNTARY 11:00 PM TO 6:00 AM CURFEW.
THIS APPLIES TO ALL SCHEDULE AIRLINES, UH, OPERATING IN AND OUT OF LOVE FIELD.
CURRENTLY, AS OF YESTERDAY, THERE ARE EIGHT SCHEDULED FLIGHTS THAT ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE 11:00 PM TO 6:00 AM CURFEW.
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WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT ADHERED TO STRICTLY, AND WE'RE VERY, UH, PLEASED THAT OUR DIRECTOR OF AVIATION, UH, HAS PROPOSED EXPANDING THAT CURFEW TO APPLY TO ALL, UH, ANYTHING WITH WINGS AT THAT AIRPORT, NOT JUST SCHEDULED AIRLINES.UM, WE ALSO ARE ADVOCATING, RESEARCHING PROPER TAKEOFF AND, UH, UH, LANDING PROCEDURES THAT, UH, BEST USE CLIMBING CHARACTERISTICS AND DESCENT CHARACTERISTICS, AS WELL AS THRUST CHARACTERISTICS TO MINIMIZE WHERE THAT NOISE OCCURS.
AND, UH, WE WANT TO RESTORE OTHER THINGS LIKE THE TRINITY DEPARTURE, UH, WHICH NEEDS TO BE REAPPROVED BY THE F A A TO WORK WITH ITS CURRENT AIRCRAFT ROUTING SYSTEM TO TAKE THOSE AIRCRAFT OVER AREAS THAT ARE LESS POPULATED IN THE METROPLEX.
AND THEN FINALLY, WE REALLY, UH, ADVOCATE IMPROVED COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY.
WE FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC FACING SIDE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION SHOULD EMPOWER CITIZENS, UH, TO GET THAT INFORMATION FOR THEMSELVES, TO BE ABLE TO GENERATE THOSE REPORTS, TO BE ABLE TO OFFER TRANSPARENT FEEDBACK, UH, TO THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION IN THE CITY REGARDING THINGS THAT, UH, MATTER, UM, REGARDING PERCEIVED INFRACTIONS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION.
IF YOU'LL WRAP YOUR COMMENTS UP.
OUR CHIEF GOAL IS TO AFFECT A CO, UH, A, UM, CULTURE CHANGE.
WE FEEL THAT NOTHING CHANGES, UH, UNLESS THERE IS A TOP-DOWN CULTURE CHANGE THAT PLACES NOISE SENSITIVITY ISSUES AT TOP OF MIND WITH THE OPERATIONAL CULTURE AT DALLAS LEFTFIELD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CARRIE LACKER.
DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY, KAREN? ACTUALLY, BUT THANK YOU FOR OKAY.
I'M PUTTING MY, MY SELF WATCH ON.
HELLO, MY NAME IS CARRIE LACHER AND I LIVE IN BRIARWOOD, A NEIGHBORHOOD EAST OF LEMON AVENUE, OFF LOVERS.
I REFER TO THE SKY ABOVE MY HOME IN BRIARWOOD AS THE ROARING SKIES.
I MOVED INTO MY HOME IN 2011, AND FOR THE FIRST FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS, I RARELY HEARD AN AIRPLANE.
IN FACT, I REMEMBER MY FRIEND WHO'S A REALTOR CALLING ME UP AND ASKING ME IF I HEARD A LOT OF AIRCRAFT NOISE LIVING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I KIND OF LAUGHED AND SAID, NOT, NOT REALLY.
AND THEN ALL THAT CHANGED, UM, OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DENTON RUNWAY RENOVATION PROJECT OCCURRED JUST A FEW YEARS AGO.
UM, EVENTUALLY WE COULDN'T CARRY ON A CONVERSATION WITHOUT BEING INTERRUPTED BY AIRCRAFT NOISE.
AND I WAS COUNTING THE DAYS UNTIL THE DEBT AND RUNWAY OPENED BACK UP.
UNFORTUNATELY, NOTHING CHANGED WHEN IT OPENED.
I BEGAN TO DO RESEARCH AND I WATCHED FLIGHT.
I WATCHED ON FLIGHT TRACKER ONE MORNING FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, AND I SAW, HEARD AN ONSLAUGHT OF 20 FLIGHTS TAKING OFF EVERY FOUR MINUTES ON THE LEMON RUNWAY AND NINE FLIGHTS TAKING OFF ON THE NETTON ONE.
I ALSO NOTICED FLIGHTS FROM D F F W FLYING EAST AND OVERHEAD OUT OF TOWN.
I SUBMITTED COMPLAINTS YOU CAN ASK FOR FOLLOW-UP BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AVIATION DEPARTMENT.
I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY AFTER READING EVERYTHING I GET MY HANDS ON, I LEARNED THE F A A CHANGED THE FLIGHT PATTERNS AROUND 2015 WHEN THEY INTRODUCED NEXTGEN FOR EFFICIENCY AND CREATED A HIGHWAY IN THE SKY THAT ALL AIRPORTS IN DALLAS USED.
THEN I BEGAN ATTENDING STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS FOR NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING LEFT FIELD, HOSTED BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AVIATION DEPARTMENT.
SOUTHWEST HAD GROWN AT ONE POINT AND WANTED TO EXPAND THEIR REACH WITH NONSTOP DIRECT FLIGHTS OUT OF LEFT FIELD INSTEAD OF HAVING TO LAND IN CONTIGUOUS STATES AS REQUIRED BEFORE IN A FEDERAL AGREEMENT.
A COMPROMISE CALLED THE FIVE PARTY AGREEMENT WAS 10, IS NOW RECOGNIZED AS THE RIGHT AMENDMENT.
A VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM WAS PUT INTO PLACE BY THE CITY OF DALLAS AS REQUIRED BY FEDERAL AGREEMENTS.
UM, AND, UM, THE LOVE FIELD CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE, WHO I'M SITTING WITH, UH, HAD SUBMITTED 15 ITEMS FROM REVIEW TO DALLAS CITY COUNCIL, MAY ADOPTED SEVEN OF THE ITEMS. AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT LEFT FIELD BEGAN USING A RAPID TAKEOFF AND A RADICAL DESCENT TO REDUCE NOISE.
NOW THEY DON'T, AND NO ONE CAN EXPLAIN WHY THAT HAPPENED.
IN ADDITION, GENERAL AVIATION PRIVATE FLIGHTS HAVE TAKEN A LOT OF LEASE SPACE ON LEMON, AND CHARTERS SUCH AS J S X ARE RUNNING FLIGHTS AND PREFERRING LEMON RUNWAY, WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE FBOS.
IN 2019, A CITY AUDIT BEGAN REGARDING THE VOLUNTARY NOISE REDUCTION PLAN, WHICH HAD NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1986.
THE RESULTS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY MANAGER IN 2021, AND IT SHOWED VERY LITTLE ADHERENCE TO THE PLAN.
THE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS WERE THAT THE CITY WAS WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK OF NOT DOING MUCH TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE NOISE PROGRAM.
ASIDE FROM TRYING TO IMPROVE INVESTIGATION OF THE PLATES COMPLAINTS, WE WANT A STRONG REGIONAL AIRPORT, AND WE WANT IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A VOLUNTARY NOISE AGREEMENT THAT LOVEFIELD ADOPTED, AND IT IS REQUIRED IN FEDERAL DOCUMENTS.
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TO DO IT.AND HERB GELLER WAY BACK WHEN SAID IT WOULD BE HONORED IN IN GOOD FAITH.
IT NEEDS TO BE HONORED AND UPDATED FOR ALL AIRLINES THAT USE LOVEFIELD IN ORDER TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.
WE HAVE COLLABORATED RESPECTFULLY WITH THE SEA OF DALLAS DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AS THEY HAVE DONE WITH US.
PLEASE HELP US FIND COMPROMISE THAT WILL LESSEN THE NOISE IMPACT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, SUCH AS THE ONES WE HAVE SUBMITTED, OTHER AIRPORTS WE'VE USING QUIETER TAKE OFF AND LANDING PROCEDURES, AND CONTINUALLY UPDATING TECHNOLOGY TO MONITOR THOSE WHO DO NOT COMPLY, AS WELL AS REMINDING THEM TO COMPLY.
PLEASE HELP US WITH THIS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PAT WHITE, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.
I LIVE AT 47 14 WILDWOOD IN BLUFF VIEW.
UM,
WE EXCITEDLY CAME BACK TO D F W BECAUSE, UM, THEY HAD MADE THIS AGREEMENT A WONDERFUL BIG, BEAUTIFUL AIRPORT, AND LOVEFIELD WAS GONNA CLOSE.
AND IN 1977, WE BOUGHT OUR HOME IN BLUFF VIEW, WHEN THE MAIN CONCOURSE AT LOVEFIELD WAS A SKATING RINK.
AND WE HAD BOUGHT, THAT'S WHERE, ANYWAY, LONG LOT, A LOT HAS HAPPENED.
UM, IN 1981, LORI PALMER, WHO HAD BEEN A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, FOUNDED THE LOVEFIELD CITIZENS ACTION COMMITTEE.
AND I WAS ONE OF THE INITIAL MEMBERS, AND I'M STILL AM.
AND, UH, ALONG WITH RUDY LONGORIA WAS CO WE WERE CO-CHAIRS FOR QUITE A WHILE.
WE ALL TAKE OUR TURN DOING THE WORK AND WHATEVER.
AND THERE ARE TWO THINGS I WANTED TO SAY.
THERE ARE TWO ISSUES AT LOVE, FIELD, NOISE AND SAFETY AND NOISE IS SOMETHING WE ALL WORK ON.
UM, THE SAFETY IS ANOTHER THING.
AND I, WE'VE HAD TWO HEARINGS, ONE HEARING WITH CONGRESS IN, UM, GOD, I GOTTA LOOK AT THE DATE NOW.
AND THEN, UM, IN 2005 WITH THE SENATE SUBCOMMITTEE ON AVIATION.
AND LORI TOOK A GROUP THERE, AND I WAS ONE OF THAT GROUP.
WHAT BECAME CLEAR IN THE FIRST ONE, UH, IN 1991, WAS THAT TWO PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY IMPORTANT, NORM SCROGGINS, WHO WAS HEAD OF THE F A A FOR 10 YEARS, WHO WAS A HUB MANAGER AND IN CHARGE OF D F W TRAFFIC CONTROL.
AND THEN BURNELL DUNHAM, WHO WAS, UM, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF D F W, WHAT THEY BASICALLY SAID WAS THAT D F W AND LOVEFIELD ARE THE TWO CLOSEST AIRPORTS IN THE UNITED STATES BAR NONE.
AND THE, THE FACT IS THAT YOU COME IN, THEY COME IN FROM THE NORTH.
'CAUSE WE'RE IN A SOUTHERLY FLOW 80% OF THE YEAR.
AND SO IT'S, THERE ARE A LOT OF PLAN THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO MAKE IT SAFER, BUT WE CANNOT EVER LET OUR GUARD DOWN.
THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IN THE UNITED STATES.
ALL THE AIRPORTS YOU HEAR, THEY'RE CLOSE TOGETHER, LIKE IN CHICAGO OR NEW YORK.
IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO THIS.
SO THAT'S MY MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I THINK STEVE HAS OUTLINED MULTIPLE IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE NOISE.
AND I WOULD ASK YOUR SUPPORT IN SUPPORTING HIS THINGS.
I THINK HE'S GIVEN YOU A LIST, AND WE DEEPLY AND TRULY HOPE WE HAVE GOOD RESULTS.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BEN SANDIFER.
UH, THANK YOU FOR, UH, UH, HAVING ME, UH, BE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING.
I LIVE AT 45 57 ASHFORD DRIVE IN DISTRICT NINE, DALLAS, TEXAS.
I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEM B, RESTORATION PLAN FOR THE LINE BREAK IN THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST.
I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN.
MY GRAVE CONCERN THAT ANY WORK BY DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, UH, TO RESTORE OR TRY TO IMPROVE THIS AREA AFTER A 30 INCH WATER LINE BREAK IN THE AREA IS PROBABLY A MISGUIDED NOTION.
I DON'T THINK AFTER A DECADE AND A HALF OF, UM, INTERFACING WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES AND THEIR LACK OF STEWARDSHIP, PROFESSIONALISM AND THE ABILITY TO TAKE ON A TASK AT THIS MAGNITUDE, THAT THEY SHOULD EVEN, UH, THINK OF RESTORING SUCH AN AREA.
AND IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR ME TO THINK THAT THEY WOULD DO ANY WORK
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IN THIS AREA THAT, UH, I THINK THAT THEY'VE COMPLETELY RUINED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS.I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM DO WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR THE LAST 60 TO 70 YEARS IN SOUTH DALLAS.
AND THAT'S TURNED THEIR BACK ON IT.
TURN THEIR BACK ON THIS WATER RUN BREAK, TURN THEIR BACK ON THE WOODS, THAT WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT OR HELP HAVE GROWN INTO THE GREATEST NATURAL ASSET THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS, WHICH IS THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST.
UM, THE PUBLIC SPACE, UH, OF OVER 6,500 ACRES THAT CONSTITUTES A GREAT TRINITY FOREST IS BROUGHT BIODIVERSE HOME TO OVER A THOUSAND SPECIES OF WILDLIFE FROM BIRDS, MAMMALS, AND INSECTS, AND ALSO MANY THOUSANDS OF, UH, DIFFERENT PLANT SPECIES.
SOME OF THESE SPECIES ARE RARE, OR EVEN ON THE ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST WITH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING A FOREST NESTLED WITHIN A CITY ALSO COMES WITH A COST.
THE COST, THE OUTSIDE WORLD INTRUDING ON THE NATURAL PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE HERE SINCE BEFORE EUROPEAN SETTLEMENT OF THE REGION.
THE ILLEGAL FLOODPLAIN FILLING ILLEGAL LAND USES ILLEGAL DUMPING AND ENCROACHMENTS OR CONTEMPORARY PROBLEMS AT THIS NATURAL RESOURCE SPACES EVERY DAY.
OFTEN SAY THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST IS STILL IN THE PROCESS OF BECOMING, BECOMING WHAT IS STILL UNKNOWN.
HOW WE AS DIAL CITES TREAT IT IN OUR GENERATION WILL HAVE LASTING IMPACTS ON FUTURE GENERATIONS.
FOR IDES NOT YET BORN THIS YEAR, I CAME TO SPEAK ABOUT, OF COURSE, IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST AND ECCENTRIC TO DALLAS WATER UTILITIES COORDINATED DRINKING WATER.
30 INCH WATERLINE BREAK, UH, ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED DURING THE TRUMAN ADMINISTRATION BACK IN 1952 IN THE ROCHESTER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD OF DALLAS.
BESIDE THE LEAK IS NEAR THE 3000 BLOCKER ROCHESTER ADJACENT TO THE ROCHESTER PARK LEVEE WITHIN THE FEDERALLY ADMINISTERED DALLAS FLOODWAY EXTENSION, AND LOCATED ON BE SIMPLE LAND OWNED BY ENCORE PUBLIC UTILITY REGULATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS.
THIS IS ADJACENT TO THE ENCORE 138 KILOVOLT TRANSMISSION LINE, KNOWN AS THE SERGEANT TO OAKLAND TAP THE WATER.
MAIN BREAK OF DISCUSSION PERSISTED SINCE AT LEAST 2013 VISIBLE IN GOOGLE EARTH.
AT THIS LOCATION, THE LEAK INUNDATED 50 TO A HUNDRED ACRES OF FLOODPLAIN BISECTED BY US HIGHWAY 1 75.
THE AREA CAN BE CATEGORIZED BY BOTH HERBACEOUS AND FORESTED PLANT COMMUNITIES.
MOST OF THE WOODY VEGETATION IS SECONDARY, TERTIARY GROWTH AGED 60 YEARS OR LESS.
ALMOST ALL OF IT HAS DIED AS A RESULT OF MANY OF THE TREES THAT WERE JUST OVER 20 FEET IN HEIGHT.
WE'LL NEVER SEE THE DAY THAT THEY REACH 30 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UH, SITTING BELOW THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAN IN THIS AREA IS SUBJECT TO LARGE SCALE SEASONAL OVERBANK EVENTS FROM NEARBY WHITE ROCK CREEK AND THE MAIN STEM OF THE TRINITY RIVER SEGMENT 8 0 5.
GENERALLY THESE OVER BANKING EVENTS ARE SEASONALLY OF BRIEF LENGTH.
THIS CREATES HIGH RESIDENCY TIME, RESIDENCY TIMES FOR WATER AND WET SEASONS, AND GENERALLY DRIER CONDITIONS IN THE FOREST.
MUCH OF THE LANDSCAPE IN THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST HAS EVOLVED AND ADAPTED TO WET AND DRY CYCLES.
THE ASHBURY, THE ASH HACKBERRY DOMINATED GREAT TRINITY FOREST, EMBRACES THE SEASONAL PERIODIC FLOODING THE WATER MAIN BREAK AND SUBSEQUENT DISCHARGE INTO THE NATIVE LANDSCAPE, ALTERED THE WET AND DRY CYCLE OF THE WETLANDS AND SURROUNDING FORESTS.
AS A RESULT, SEASONAL WETLANDS THAT WOULD DRY IN THE SUMMER EVOLVED AND CONTINUOUSLY INUNDATED YEAR-ROUND WETLANDS.
THIS SHIFTED THE PLANT MATRIX TO ONE DOMINATED ONLY BY PLANTS THAT CAN LIVE IN CON IN SOIL, CONTINUOUSLY INUNDATED BY WATER.
THE AREA BECAME A NEAR ECOLOGICAL DEAD ZONE.
SO ANIMALS WITH HERBACEOUS DIETS LIKE NUTRIA, BEAVER AND TURTLES.
EVIDENT NUMBERS MISSION MISSING WERE FISH SPECIES, CRUSTACEANS, AND MACRO ETTES THAT FORM TROPHIC BUILDING BLOCKS OF THE VIBRANT ECOSYSTEM.
AREAS OF WOODY VEGETATION WERE ALSO INUNDATED.
MATS OF ASH HACKERY AMERICAN ELMS, CEDAR ELM WELLOW COTTONWOOD WERE SUBJECT TO PROLONGED FLOODING OVER MANY YEARS.
THE RESULT WAS A SLOW DROWNING OF MANY HUNDREDS OF 20 PLUS FOOT TALL TREES, TREE SPECIES.
THE DIE, THE DIE OFF OF TREES HERE IS SHOCKINGLY EVIDENT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE US 1 75.
IT'LL SERVE AS A TOMBSTONE FOR THIS PART OF THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST FOR DECADES TO COME FROM ANYONE DRIVING UP AND DOWN US.
HIGHWAY 1 75, THE FAULT OF HUMANS IN ONE WATER DEPARTMENT, MUCH LIKE IT TOOK HALF A LIFETIME FOR THESE TREES TO PERISH AND GROW, SO WILL THE TREES THAT WILL HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT REPLACE 'EM.
THE CITY OF DALLAS REPORTS THAT THE LEAKS OF THIS PIPELINE HAVE BEEN REPAIRED IN EARLY AUGUST, 2023.
AFTER THE WATERLINE WAS REPAIRED, THE INUNDATED ACREAGE IMPACTED BY THE DRY, THE, UH, LEAK DRIED UP IN A SHORT NINE DAYS.
BONE DRY, THE BARE SPOT UPON WHICH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES REPAIRED LEAKS BEGUN TO HEAL ON ITS OWN INVASIVE, NON-INVASIVE, INVASIVE NON-NATIVE JOHNSON AND GRASSES TAKING ROOT, AS WELL AS NATIVE OBLIGATE EARLY SUCCESSIONAL WETLAND SPECIES SUCH AS COCKTAIL COCKER BURST, BANIAN BINDWEED OVER TIME WITHOUT HUMAN IN, OVER TIME WITHOUT HUMAN INTERVENTION.
THIS AREA WILL QUICKLY REVEGETATE RECENT RAINS IN 2023 THROUGH RUN-OFF AND RAINFALL OF NATURAL REESTABLISHED WATER IN SOME AREAS THAT HAVE SUR HISTORICALLY HELD WATER YEAR ROUND.
THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS AN EXCEPTIONALLY POOR TRACK RECORD OF ENVIRONMENTAL ACCOUNTABILITY, STEWARDSHIP, REMEDIATION, AND REHABILITATION ON CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE TRINITY RIVER CORRIDOR.
I WORRY THAT ANY PLAN OR IDEA TO RESTORE OR REHABILITATE THIS AREA WOULD DO MORE CAMP, FARM, AND DAMAGE THAN A GOOD OUTCOME.
THIS AREA HAS BEEN LEFT ALONE IN ITS NATURAL
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PROCESSES SINCE EARLY 1950S WITH VERY LITTLE HUMAN CONTACT.IT PERSISTS AND EXISTS PURELY THROUGH BENIGN NEGLECT.
PERHAPS THAT'S WHAT'S NEEDED AND WHAT'S BEST FOR IT NOW INTO THE FUTURE.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS THIS EVENING.
I WANNA THANK EACH OF YOU FOR JOINING US AND FOR YOUR ADVOCACY, FOR TAKING THE TIME, UH, TO SPEND, UM, THIS EVENING, HEARING THESE PRESENTATIONS AND LEARNING MORE ABOUT, UM, OUR ROLE AS THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION AND THE CITY'S, UM, WORK.
SO I HOPE THAT WE'LL WORK TOGETHER COLLABORATIVELY, UM, AND, AND HELP ADDRESS EACH OF THESE ISSUES.
WE ARE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 13TH COMMISSION MEETING.
IF THERE ARE NO CHANGES, I WILL TAKE MOTION TO APPROVE.
ANY OPPOSED? THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
LET'S GET RIGHT INTO OUR FIRST BRIEFING ITEM FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF AG AVIATION ON OUR DALLAS LOVE FIELD VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM.
AND WITH US THIS EVENING, WE HAVE GETTING TO MY AGENDA.
GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PATRICK.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF AVIATION FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.
WE ARE GOING, WE'RE HERE TODAY, UM, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM AND, UH, SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE FORMULATED WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP OVER THE LAST YEAR.
UH, THE PURPOSE TONIGHT IS TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE.
UH, WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR, UM, SINCE THEN, UH, WE'VE MET WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND HISTORY.
I KNOW SOME, SOME FOLKS, UM, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME, OR THIS IS NEW TO YOU ALSO.
UH, WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE FORMULATED WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND, UH, SUGGESTIONS AND NEXT STEPS AFTER THAT.
AND PATRICK, BEFORE YOU GET STARTED, THIS IS GONNA BE A VERY LONG MEETING FOR US.
A LITTLE, A LITTLE HEAVIER TOPICS THAN WE NORMALLY HAVE ALTOGETHER ON ONE AGENDA.
SO WE'LL DO 30 MINUTES FOR THE PRESENTATION AND 30 FOR Q AND A.
DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? THAT WORKS.
UM, SO WE'LL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS WE CAN.
UM, IF, IF I GLAZE OVER OR GO OVER SOMETHING AND YOU WANT ME TO READJUST IT, JUST LET ME KNOW.
UM, SO WE'RE GONNA UPDATE THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS, UH, PRESENT.
WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THE SAME PRESENTATION.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION.
WE'RE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING FOR, UM, INPUT FROM THIS COMMISSION AS WELL.
UM, BEFORE WE GO TO CITY COUNCIL WITH US.
SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
F A A FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION, THEY CONTROL THE AIRSPACE SYSTEM.
UH, WITHIN THAT WE HAVE THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
UM, THEY DIRECT THE TRAFFIC SPECIFICALLY AT ALL THE AIRPORTS AND DALLAS SUBFIELD.
UM, AND DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION'S ROLE IN THIS IS REALLY TO ENFORCE AND, UM, CONTROL THE VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE AT DE SUBFIELD.
SO A LITTLE BIT OF DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION JUST IN GENERAL.
UM, WE'RE HERE TO MEET THE F F A REGULATIONS AND STANDARDS, UM, THAT ARE OUT THERE TO KEEP AIRCRAFT FLYING SAFELY.
WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, UM, IT'S A GATEWAY FOR, FOR THE CITY.
UM, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT AN AIRPORT IS, AND IT'S PROBABLY USED IT.
UM, WE PROVIDE EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF, UM, SUPPORT TO GENERAL AVIATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, AIRLINES.
UH, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A SIGNIFICANT E ECONOMIC IMPACT, UH, IMPACT, AND ALSO, UH, WORKFORCE THAT, THAT WORKS OUT AT THE AIRPORT.
SO, A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND.
YOU'VE HEARD THIS FROM SOME OF THE SPEAKERS TODAY.
UM, WE'VE HAD A PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, GOING BACK TO 1981.
UM, WE'VE HAD MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, IMPLEMENTED SINCE THEN.
UM, AND THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE MEASURES THAT HAVE HAPPENED, UM, OVER THE LAST 40 PLUS YEARS, UH, THAT WE'VE HAD THIS PROGRAM.
UM, SO GOING BACK TO THE 1981 STUDY, UM, THE, THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THIS.
AND AGAIN, UM, THE SPEAKERS MENTIONED THIS.
UH, SEVEN WERE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND THEY WERE PUT INTO THE VOLUNTARY NOISE CONTROL PROGRAM AT V LOVEFIELD.
UH, SOME OF THOSE, THE NIGHT 10 PREFERENTIAL RUNWAY, UH, WHICH IS OUR DENTON SIDE RUNWAY.
UM, THERE WAS ENCOURAGING 9:00 PM
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TO 6:00 AM USING THAT RUNWAY.THERE'S A NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURE WE CALL THE TRINITY DEPARTURE, UM, THAT GOES OUT OVER THE TRINITY RIVER.
AND THERE'S ALSO, UH, A PRO PROHIBITION ON AIRCRAFT RUN-UPS AND ENGINE MAINTENANCE FROM MIDNIGHT TO 6:00 AM THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT VOLUNTARY.
THAT'S LAW THAT, UH, HAS TO BE FOLLOWED.
AND THERE'S A VOLUNTARY MEASURE FROM 10:00 PM UM, ON.
SO SOME OF THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, WE'VE, WE'VE MADE SOME CHANGES TO OUR NOISE OPERATION MONITORING SYSTEM, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT, UM, SOME NEW FEATURES.
WE HAVE A CASPER LAB, A T C RECORDINGS WITHIN THAT.
THERE'S SOME NOISE COMPLAINT INITIATIVE WITH THE F A A, UH, ZONING CHANGE REQUESTS AND SOME OUTREACH THAT WE, WE DO WITH DIFFERENT MEETINGS.
UM, ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S PILOT SIGNAGE, UH, ENCOURAGING THE VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
UM, SO THE AUDIT, THIS, THIS IS REALLY WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
SO, BACK IN, IN 2019, CITY AUDITOR'S OFFICE CAME IN AND, AND RECOMMENDED THAT WE GO IN AND TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, THIS DOCUMENT.
UM, THE PROGRAM HADN'T REALLY BEEN REVIEWED SINCE 1986.
UM, SO THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A LONG TIME.
AND, UH, THE, THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION ITSELF NEEDS TO BE, UM, UPDATE THE PROGRAM, BE CONSISTENT WITH FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND, UM, PROVIDING EQUITY AND NOISE EXPOSURE.
UM, AND THAT IS THE BALANCED RUNWAY USAGE.
SO WE DO HAVE EXISTING MEASURES.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S 10 EXISTING MEASURES.
AND OF THOSE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO RETAIN, UM, EIGHT OF THOSE AND SUNSET TWO, UM, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE STAKEHOLDER RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, THESE ARE PROCEDURALS NIGHTTIME, UH, PREFERENTIAL RUNWAY, UH, CHANNELIZATION OF HELICOPTER TRACKS, UM, BAN ON FLIGHT TRAINING AND, UH, NIGHT AND RESTRICTIONS ON TOUCH AND GO TRAFFIC.
UH, JET JET OPERATIONS ENGINE RUN-UPS, UM, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PROFILES.
UM, ONE OF THESE IS, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE MAKING SOME MODIFICATIONS, THE ONES WE'RE KEEPING.
SO ON THIS ONE, ON THE OPTIMAL TAKEOFF PROFILE, WE'RE LOOKING TO REALLY HAVE A BIANNUAL WRITTEN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FROM THE AIR CARRIERS AS WELL THAT THEY'RE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE'RE DOING THIS.
UM, W THE FIRST ONE THEY'RE LOOKING TO SUNSET IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL A HIGH SPEED TAXIWAY.
THESE ARE REALLY TAXIWAYS THAT COME UP TO A RUNWAY WHERE YOU'RE EXITING.
THEY'RE AT AN ANGLE, THEY'RE MEANT TO BE AT A HIGHER SPEED.
UM, WE DID AN ANALYSIS, AND THIS IS NO LONGER A BENEFIT TO NOISE, AND THE FAS REALLY MOVING AWAY FROM THIS.
UM, SO THE STAKEHOLDERS AGREED WITH SUN SETTING THAT AS WELL.
UM, REVIEWING THE NOISE PROGRAM ON A REGULAR BASIS WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPORTANT.
UM, AND IT CAME UP IN THE AUDIT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS.
UM, AND WHAT WE'RE COMMITTING TO IS, IS EVALUATING THIS EVERY FIVE YEARS.
UM, OR IF THERE'S ANY MAJOR CHANGES OR TRIGGERS THAT COME ALONG DOING AN EARLIER REVIEW.
UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE.
YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF VERTICAL TAKEOFF AND LIFT AIRCRAFT THAT ARE COMING INTO THE MARKET.
SO AS THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN AND CHANGES HAPPEN AT DALLAS LOVE FIELD, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, THIS PROGRAM AGAIN.
UM, ANOTHER ONE WE'RE SUNSETTING.
UH, WE HAVE SOME OUTDATED, UH, PROCEDURES ON SOME OF THE RUNWAYS, PARTICULARLY ONE THAT IS, UH, NO LONGER THERE.
THAT WAS OUR CROSSWIND CROSSWIND RUNWAY 1 8 3 6.
UH, SO WE, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY AGREED TO SUNSET THAT AND IT'S OUTDATED, AND THE STAKEHOLDERS AGREED WITH THAT AS WELL.
AND FINALLY, UM, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NOISE, UH, MONITORING SYSTEM, UM, NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO RETAIN THAT, BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO UPDATE THE NOISE, OPERATING THE MONITORING SYSTEM, UM, AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING THE CAPABILITIES WE NEED AND WE'RE GETTING THE CAPABILITIES THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE STAKEHOLDERS WANT.
AND, AND, UH, BUT REALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO SHOW HERE IS, UH, WHAT OTHER AIRPORTS OUR SIZE ARE DOING.
SO, ITER, OUR OPERATIONS ARE ESSENTIALLY AIRCRAFT THAT ARE LEAVING THE PATTERN OF THE AIRPORT OR COMING INTO THE PATTERN OF THE AIRPORT.
UM, SO WE HAD SOME BIGGER ONES AND SMALLER ONES.
AND, AND, AND THERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
UM, AND WE WANTED TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE THINGS WE THINK ARE BENEFICIAL TO DALLAS CLUB FIELD.
AND YOU HAVE ALSO, UM, SOME OTHER MEASURES THAT OTHER AIRPORTS, UM, IN THE SAME OPERATIONAL CATEGORY AS US ARE DOING AS WELL.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE CONTINUE TALKS ABOUT STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, UH, POLICY AND RESEARCH, UH, AND WHAT AIRPORTS ARE DOING.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NOISE, IT'S REALLY THE, WHAT WE CALL THE DAY NIGHT, UH, SOUND LEVEL, D N L.
SO THIS MEASUREMENT, UM, IS CUMULATIVE NOISE EXPOSURE OVER, YOU KNOW, AN AN ANNUAL DAY.
THERE'S HEAVIER, UM, WAITING ON NIGHTTIME OPERATIONS.
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TENFOLD AT OPERATIONS AT NIGHT AS FAR AS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NOISE.UM, AND SO THE F A A DEFINES NOISE EXPOSURE AS D N L OF 65 AND ABOVE IS A SIGNIFICANT THRESHOLD.
UM, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT'S REALLY WHEN THE FAA WILL STEP IN AND ALLOW US TO USE, UM, MONEY TO DO NOISE MEASURE ABATEMENT MEASURES, UM, OR WHAT THEY WOULD CONSIDER TO BE AN IMPACT.
SO WE TEND TO TALK A LOT ABOUT 65 D N L.
SO WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED, UH, YOU KNOW, ON OUR, OUR NOISE CODE, AND I APOLOGIZE 'CAUSE THE PRESENTATION HAS AN ANIMATION.
UM, BUT, UH, WE COULD PROBABLY FIND A WAY TO GET THIS, UH, TO THE COMMISSION.
BUT WE REALLY WENT BACK TO THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ORIGINAL CONTOURS AND SHOWED THE CHANGES.
AND IN THE ANIMATION, WHICH APOLOGIZE, IT'S NOT WORKING.
BUT, UM, THEY CONTINUE TO SHRINK.
AND THEN IN 2013 WHEN THE, THE WRITER MEANT REFORM CAME IN, THEY GROW AGAIN.
AND THEN WHEN WE SEE COVID, THEY SHRINK A LITTLE BIT.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE LOOKING, UM, TO KIND OF SHOW THE PATTERN OF THE NOISE CONTOURS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES AND WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM.
UH, THIS ONE SHOWS THE, THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL IMPACTS, UM, AND, AND THE PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT.
UM, YOU CAN SEE DOWN ON THE, THE, UM, THE, THE WEST LOVE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ABOUT 667 FEET IS THE CLOSEST ONE.
UM, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER IN THE PRESENTATION.
WE ALSO TALK ABOUT SOUND EXPOSURE LEVELS, UM, WHAT WE CALL THE ENGINES ON THE AIRCRAFT.
THE STAGES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL, SEVERAL DECADES.
SO ORIGINALLY, UM, BACK WHEN THIS PROGRAM WAS, UH, DONE IN THE EARLY EIGHTIES, THERE WERE STAGE TWO AIRCRAFT.
YOU CAN SEE THE NOISE PROFILE.
AND WE'RE UP TO MORE AND MORE STAGE FIVE AIRCRAFT AT THIS POINT.
SO FOUR AND FIVE AIRCRAFT ARE OPERATING.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UM, THE NOISE IMPACTS FROM LANDING AND TO TAKE OFF, AND HOW FAR OUT THOSE GO.
UH, TOTAL OPERATIONS, WE'VE BROKEN IT OUT HERE.
UM, ONE THREE LEFT IS THE, UM, THE LEMON AVENUE, UH, ONE THREE RIGHTS.
WE DIDN'T TRACK IT DURING 2021 TO 22 BECAUSE OF THE COVID IMPACTS.
UM, CHANGED OUR TRAFFIC ALSO, UM, WITH THE RUNWAY CONSTRUCTION ON THE DENTON RUNWAY, THAT ALSO CHANGED IT.
SO WE WENT BACK TO WHEN THE RUNWAY OPENED LAST YEAR IN 2022 TO 23.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE BALANCE OF, UH, AIRCRAFT DEPARTURES ON THOSE RUNWAYS DURING THAT PERIOD.
THIS IS MORE GRANULAR, GRANULAR DETAIL.
UM, THE, THE INTENT OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, AS YOU HEARD FROM SOME OF THE SPEAKERS, WAS TO ROLL THIS OUT AIRPORT WIDE.
RIGHT NOW, THE VOLUNTARY MEASURES REALLY ONLY APPLY TO THE AIRLINES.
UM, BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE USERS ON HERE.
SO WE'VE BROKEN THIS OUT BY ALL AIRCRAFT IN WHAT THEY'RE DOING VERSUS AIR CARRIER.
SO THESE WOULD BE THE AIRLINES, UM, AIR TAXI.
THESE WOULD BE TYPICALLY, UM, CORPORATE JETS, UH, FOR HIGHER CORPORATE JETS THAT FLY OUT.
UM, GENERAL AVIATION WOULD BE TYPICALLY SMALLER AIRCRAFT, UM, PISTON POWERED AIRCRAFT.
AND THEN MEDICAL FLIGHTS, UH, OPERATE, UM, WITH A SPECIFIC CODE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE DAY NIGHT, UM, ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES AND WHAT RUNWAYS THEY'VE USED AND WHAT THE BALANCES ON THOSE RUNWAYS.
UH, WE ALSO LOOK AT SCHEDULED FLIGHTS.
SO, UH, THERE'S A VOLUNTARY, UH, CURFEW AS YOU HEARD, UH, FROM 11:00 PM TO 6:00 AM.
UH, THIS IS THE NUMBER OF, UH, DURING APRIL 22 TO 23, UH, WHICH IS THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS IS, UH, A HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE DEPARTURES OPERATED BETWEEN THOSE HOUR, UH, OUTSIDE OF THOSE HOURS.
AND ABOUT 98, UH, JUST OVER 98% ON THE ARRIVAL SIDE.
SO THE, THE NOISE STAKEHOLDER MEETING OVERVIEW, UH, I BELIEVE WE LAST CAME TO THIS COMMISSION ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UM, SINCE THEN, UM, WE'VE BRIEFED THE ENVIRONMENTAL SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, WHICH HAS CHANGED NOW.
BUT, UH, ON OUR INTENT, UM, WE HOSTED A SERIES OF SIX NOISE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS.
AND, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STAKEHOLDERS WERE IDENTIFIED BASED ON SEVERAL BENCHMARKS.
SO WE HAVE A, WE WANTED TO GET A WIDE VARIETY OF STAKEHOLDERS.
SO WE HAVE, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, RESIDENTS, UH, OUR NOISE CONSULTANT, UH, THE F A A TENANTS ON THE AIRPORT, UM, SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVES.
SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO HIT EVERYBODY THAT WAS POSSIBLY IMPACTED BY NOISE AT THE AIRPORT.
UH, THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP PROVIDED US 14 RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO BE CONCLUDED IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
UM, THE FEASIBILITY OF SOME OF THESE IS, IS BASED ON STUDIES AND ASSESSMENTS, WHICH YOU'LL SEE.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MIGHT REQUIRE,
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UH, SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL FUNDING, BUT IT'S KIND OF AN UNKNOWN UNTIL THOSE STUDIES ARE COMPLETED.SO THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE IS, UM, THAT WE INCLUDE THE VOLUNTARY PROGRAM, UM, FOR AIRLINE FLIGHTS BETWEEN 11 AND SIX, UH, 11:00 PM 6:00 AM TO, TO ALL THE AIRLINES.
REALLY, RIGHT NOW, IT'S TIED TO THE FIVE PARTY AGREEMENT, WHICH IS ONLY IMPACTING SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.
UM, SO WE HAVE THAT IN THE FIVE PARTY AGREEMENT AND THE USE AND LEASE AGREEMENT WITH 'EM.
WE'D LIKE TO APPLY IT VOLUNTARILY TO EVERYBODY.
UM, IT'S NOT JUST AIRLINES THAT ARE GENERATING NOISE.
UM, SO OUR GOAL IS, AS YOU'LL SEE THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION, IS TO APPLY IT TO ALL THE AIRLINES AND ALL THE AIRCRAFT OPERATING AT, AT DALLAS SUBFIELD.
UH, THE SECOND ONE WE HAVE IS, UH, ANOTHER, UH, BIG ONE WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS WAS THE COMMUNICATION AND THE REGULAR COMMUNICATION.
UM, WE ARE DOING, YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY LOVE FIELD ENVIRONMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEES.
WE'RE LOOKING AT UPDATING HOW WE DO THOSE.
UH, WE HAVE THE LOVE FIELD PILOT ASSOCIATION MEETING, GOOD NEIGHBOR PROGRAM.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, NOISE PER, UH, BROCHURES AND EDUCATION FOR THE FIXED BASE OPERATORS WHERE THE PRIVATE AIRCRAFT GO.
AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING, ONCE THESE, UH, MEASURES, UM, IF THEY'RE APPROVED AND AND ADOPTED, WE WOULD IMPLEMENT THESE IN WHAT WE CALL WHISPER TRACK.
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WORKS, UM, WITH THE OPERATORS AND THE PILOTS, AND IT GETS OUR NOISE INFORMATION INTO WHEN THEY'RE DOING FLIGHT PLANNING.
SO WHEN THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE COMING TO DALLAS LOVE FIELD, THEY HAVE ALL OF OUR MEASURES THAT WE'RE HAVE IMPLEMENTED AT THE AIRPORT.
RECOMMENDATION THREE IS, UH, IMPROVING COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
UM, STAKEHOLDERS ARE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMUNICATION.
I THINK YOU HEARD THAT AS WELL.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING TO DO UPDATES TO THE PUBLIC FACING WEBSITE, MAKING THAT USE MORE USER FRIENDLY.
UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW DO WE PRO PROACTIVELY, UM, PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH AIR MOBILITY, NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE COMING OUT THERE.
AND WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP, UM, ON WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UH, NUMBER FOUR IS THE TRINITY DEPARTURE IS BEING CONVERTED.
WE'RE RECOMMEND TO A, WHAT WE CALL, UH, UH, AIR REQUIRED AREA NAVIGATION.
UM, THIS WOULD BE, WE'RE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE F A A.
UM, WE HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND, UM, ANY UPDATES TO THIS PROGRAM.
WE'D OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THE SMES AT THE AIR CARRIERS.
UM, NUMBER FIVE IS A DEPARTURE PROCEDURE SIMILAR TO THE TRINITY.
SO THE TRINITY IS ON THE, UM, DENTON SIDE.
WE LOOK AT THE, UM, THE LEMON SIDE AS WELL FOR A SIMILAR DEPARTURE.
WE'RE NOT SURE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT WE'RE GONNA DO A STUDY, UH, AND THEN WE WOULD WORK AGAIN WITH THE STATE, THE, THE SMES, UM, THE AIRCRAFT OPERATORS AND THE F A A, UH, TO MAKE THAT WORK.
SO OUR NOISE CONSULTANT, H M M H, THEY WOULD DO THE, KIND OF THE LEGWORK ON THIS.
UM, THEY'D EVALUATE THE PROCEDURE AND KIND OF DO MINIMAL DESIGN TO HAND OFF TO THE F A A.
THE F A A DOESN'T TYPICALLY DO THE STUFF, JUST BECAUSE WE REQUEST.
SO WE HAVE STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE EDUCATED ON THIS AND HOW TO DO IT, UH, TO DO A LOT OF THE FRONT END WORK.
WE'D EXPECT THIS TO TAKE ABOUT NINE MONTHS.
AND, UH, TO DO THE STUDY WOULD BE ABOUT $60,000.
NUMBER SIX IS, UH, IDENTIFY THE MOST, UH, BENEFICIAL NOISE ABATEMENT DEPARTURE PER UH, PROFILE.
THIS ALSO INCLUDES OPTIMIZED PROFILE DESCENT AS WELL.
UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY FOR THIS.
UM, H M H AGAIN WOULD LOOK INTO WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE TO FURTHER REDUCE THE NOISE LEVELS.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE 65 D N L.
UM, IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS, $65,000.
UM, THERE'D BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO DO THE OPTIMIZED PROFILE TO SOME AS WELL, BUT WE HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT, AND WE EXPECT TO, TO ROLL THAT INTO THE SAME PROGRAM.
NUMBER SEVEN IS ONE THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT.
SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT FROM A STAFF LEVEL.
UH, THIS IS CONSIDERATION FOR A PART ONE 50 STUDY.
WE THINK WE HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT.
UM, MOVING INTO THE NEXT RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT REALLY WHAT THIS IS, IS THIS IS A PROCESS THAT YOU GO THROUGH WITH THE F A A VOLUNTARILY, UH, CREATES A NOISE EXPOSURE MAP AND, AND A COMPATIBILITY PROGRAM.
UM, ONE OF THE OUTCOMES OF THIS IS THERE'S FEDERAL FUNDING AVAILABLE, UH, FOR PROPERTY ACQUISITION AND POSSIBLE SOUND INSTALLATION ON HOMES WITHIN THE 65 CONTOUR.
SO, OTHER THINGS THAT THIS DO, IT'S GONNA CREATE POSSIBLE SHRINKING OF THE NOISE CONTOURS.
UM, AND IT MAY MOVE 'EM AWAY FROM NON-COMPATIBLE, WHICH WE'D SAY LIKE RESIDENTIAL.
UM, IT'LL CHANGE, IT COULD CHANGE FLIGHT TRACKS RUNWAY USE.
UM, IT, IT'LL ADDRESS NON-COMPATIBLE USES AS WELL.
UH, SO IF THERE'S, UH, LET'S SAY A RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL IMPACT, IT'LL LOOK TO ADDRESS THAT,
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UM, AND REALLY PREVENT INTRODUCTION AND NEW INCOMPATIBLE, UM, USES.SO THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD SAY A I P FUNDING.
THIS IS OUR AIRPORT IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING, AND IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR THAT.
UM, IT FALLS IN A LINE OF SAFETY PROJECTS TYPICALLY COME FIRST, AND THEN IT WOULD BE NOISE PROJECTS.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE A MATTER OF HOW MUCH CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE FROM THE F A A.
AND, UM, IT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD, BASED ON DEMAND, IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHERE WE KIND OF FIT IN THE F A A PROGRAM THAT YEAR.
UM, UPDATING S WILL CHANGE THE ELIGIBILITY, ELIGIBILITY AND ALTER FUTURE COST ESTIMATES.
BUT, UM, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT, RIGHT NOW IT'D BE ABOUT 5,700 HOUSING UNITS WITHIN THIS CONTOUR.
UM, AND THE PROGRAM WOULD TAKE ABOUT 369 MILLION, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE US ABOUT 29 YEARS WITH WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE FOR A, A ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
UM, THE F A WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THIS.
IT'D TAKE US ABOUT 1.5 MILLION TO DO THE STUDY, AND IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT TWO YEARS TO DO THIS PROCESS.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, UM, EIGHT AND NINE ARE CONTINGENT ON EACH OTHER.
ONE IS THE PROGRAM AND ONE IS ROLLING OUT THE PROGRAM.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RECOMMENDATION EIGHT AND NINE, THEY'RE REALLY TIED TOGETHER AND WE FEEL LIKE THIS IS A BETTER SOLUTION, UM, AND A FASTER SOLUTION THAN TO THE PART ONE 50 STUDY.
SO WE WOULD ESTABLISH OUR OWN SOUND INSTALLATION PROGRAM WITHIN THE CITY OF, UH, DALLAS AVIATION DEPARTMENT.
UM, WE WOULD DO INITIAL TESTINGS, UH, WITHIN, UH, HOMES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE, THE D N L LINUX.
UM, THIS WOULD BE AN ALTERNATE, LIKE I SAID, TO THE ONE 50 STUDY.
WE'D HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER THE PROCESS AND THE SAME FUNDING WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
SO WE WOULD HAVE PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE FA IMPROVEMENT MONEY DEPENDING ON WHAT YEAR, UH, WHERE THE PRIORITIES ARE TO, TO HELP FUND THOSE PROJECTS.
SO IF WE DO THIS, WE WOULD GO TO OUR NOISE CONSULTANT.
UM, THEY WOULD ESTABLISH A MAPPING INTERFACE TO SET THE, THE LATEST CONTOURS.
SO WE WOULD GET THE LATEST SET OF, OF OUR 65 D N L.
UM, WE WOULD DEVELOP INFORMATION ON POSSIBLE SOUND MITIGATION TREATMENTS THAT WE COULD DO.
WE'D TAKE A LOOK AT BUILDING CODES.
UM, THIS TAKE US ABOUT THREE MONTHS TO DO ABOUT $20,000 FOR THE STUDY.
SO ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT PROGRAM, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GONNA ROLL IT OUT.
UM, SO WE WOULD ROLL THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, NUMBER NINE AFTER WE COMPLETE THE STUDY.
UM, SO WE WOULD DEF DEFINE CATEGORIES, UM, THAT ARE ELIGIBLE.
WE, WE'D CREATE, UM, KIND OF A APPLICATION PROCESS TO GO THROUGH.
UH, WE PROVIDE KIND OF OUR METHODOLOGY OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE.
UH, WE WOULD TAKE ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO DO THIS AND ABOUT 125,000 FOR THE STUDY.
UM, AFTER THAT, WE WOULD START TO LOOK AT HOW WE COULD FUND IT EACH YEAR AND WHAT AMOUNT WOULD BE AVAILABLE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE COULD APPLY FOR THAT PROGRAM EACH YEAR.
UH, NUMBER 10 IS TO, UH, CONSTRUCTING A NOISE BARRIER ON DENTON AVENUE.
UH, THIS IS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE WESTLAW NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S WITHIN, UH, SIX, 700 FEET OF, OF THE RUNWAY.
SO THIS WOULD BE, UH, A STUDY THAT WOULD BE ABOUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UM, WE'D REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT IF IT'S GONNA BE EFFECTIVE OR, OR NOT.
UM, THERE ARE AIRPORTS THAT WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAVE DONE THIS, AND IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL.
UM, WE WOULD ALSO PROBABLY LOOK TO LOOK AT DART AND SOME PARTNERSHIP.
THERE'S SOME RAIL LINES IN THAT AREA AND HOW IT WOULD BE ALIGNED.
UM, SO WE THINK IT'S WORTH DOING THE STUDY TO EVALUATE IT AND SEE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD.
AND THEN WE WOULD DETERMINE THE COST ON THE CAPITAL SIDE AND WHETHER OR NOT THE BENEFIT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO, TO CONSTRUCT IT.
UH, 11 IS DEVELOPING NEW CONTOURS.
WE THINK 2023 IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WE'LL DO IT.
UM, SINCE WE WERE OUT OF COVID AND WE OPENED THE, WE REOPENED THE DENT RUNWAY, UM, WE WOULD BE COMMITTED TO DOING THIS EVERY TWO YEARS.
UM, SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE UPDATING THESE, UH, CONTOURS EVERY TWO YEARS, AND WE HAVE THE LATEST INFORMATION SO WE CAN ADAPT THE PROGRAM AS NECESSARY.
NUMBER 12, WE ALSO SUPPORT, UH, THIS IS LIMITATIONS ON REVERSE THRUST.
SO WHEN YOU BREAK AND THE ENGINE GETS REALLY LOUD, UH, THAT'S REVERSE THRUST.
IT'S HELPING TO, TO STOP THE AIRCRAFT.
UM, THERE'S SOME WEATHER AND SAFETY CONDITIONS.
SO WE'D HAVE TO WORK KIND OF WITH THE, UH, THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR THE OPERATORS AND THE AIRLINES TO SEE WHAT CONDITIONS THEY CAN USE IT IN, WHAT THEY CAN'T.
UM, AND BASED ON THAT, WE WOULD, WE WOULD ATTEMPT TO, YOU KNOW, ROLL OUT A PROGRAM THAT WOULD, WOULD MAKE SENSE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS WHEN THERE'S CONTAMINANTS, LIKE IF IT'S WET OR THERE'S WINTER CONDITIONS, YOU'RE TYPICALLY MIGHT NEED
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TO USE THAT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE.BUT THERE'S ALSO TIMES WHEN, UM, YOU DON'T NEED TO USE IT.
SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THAT LIMITATION IN TO THE VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SEEING HOW WE CAN EXERCISE IT WITH THE OPERATORS.
UH, NUMBER 13 WOULD BE COMMUNICATING WITH THE AIRCARE AIR CARRIERS, IN PARTICULAR ON, UM, QUIETER AIRCRAFT MODELS.
UM, SO THESE WOULD BE BOEING'S MAX AIRCRAFT.
WE TALKED ABOUT STAGE FIVE AIRCRAFT, THE QUIETEST, UM, PARTICULARLY DURING EO, UH, QUIET HOURS, BUT REALLY ALL HOURS.
UM, THIS IS DEPENDENT ON FLEET MANAGEMENT.
UM, WE'RE NOT SURE WE CAN REALLY DO THIS, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE IT.
UM, THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE ARE PREDOMINANT CARRIERS SLOWLY MOVING TO THESE AND ADDING MORE.
UM, I THINK THEY'RE ADDING A HUNDRED PLUS INTO THEIR FLEET THIS YEAR.
SO, UM, IT'S JUST GONNA NATURALLY KIND OF MOVE TO THIS.
UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH SENDING THESE TO OUR OPERATORS, ENCOURAGING 'EM TO USE THEIR QUIETEST AIRCRAFT AT DELLS LEFT FIELD.
UM, AND THE LAST RECOMMENDATION IS TO IMPROVE OUR, OUR NOM SYSTEM, OUR NOISE OPERATING MONITORING SYSTEM, UH, FOR MORE REPORTING CAPABILITIES.
WE REALLY WANT IT TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, EASY TO USE FOR THE, FOR THE PUBLIC AND, AND THE STAKEHOLDERS IMPACTED BY THIS.
UM, WE WANT TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
UM, WE'RE LOOKING, EXPLORING A NOISE OFFICE.
LET'S ESSENTIALLY BE WITHIN OUR ENVIRONMENTAL DEPARTMENT.
THAT'S SOMEBODY'S WHO'S TIED TO, UM, INVESTIGATIONS AND PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING NOISE WITHIN OUR OFFICE.
UM, AND WE WOULD, WE'RE LOOKING ACTUALLY TO DO THIS.
UM, OUR EXISTING CONTRACT IS COMING UP, SO WE'LL WORK WITH OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUP TO FIND OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S THE BEST OPTIONS OUT THERE WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS FOR THIS.
SO NEXT STEPS ARE REALLY TAKING THE SAME PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UM, AND WE'RE LOOKING, UM, TO RECOMMEND THESE, THESE MEASURES AND TO SUNSET SOME OF THE IRRELEVANT, UH, MEASURES THAT ARE, ARE NO LONGER THERE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND, UM, COUNCIL DIRECTION, UM, SOME OF THESE MEASURES YOU ARE GONNA TAKE F A A REVIEW, SOME WILL TAKE SOME TIME, UH, BEFORE BEING IMPLEMENTED.
BUT, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 13 OF THE, THE 14 RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE HAVE SOME SUMMARY SLIDES AT THE END OF ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UH, COMMISSIONER DARRELL, GO AHEAD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
UM, HOW MANY INQUIRED QUIET AIRPLANES DO WE HAVE ALREADY IN OPERATION? THE, THE QUIETER, UM, WE CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP.
THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE AIRLINE FLEET HAVE THOSE, BUT THE AIRLINES DON'T PARTICULARLY ROUTE US SPECIFIC AIRCRAFT.
IT'S KIND OF THROUGH THEIR WHOLE SYSTEM.
SO WE CAN KIND OF GET, UM, FROM OUR CARRIERS, UH, WHAT THE PERCENTAGE ARE ON THE QUIETER AIRCRAFT TO YOU.
I'LL BE WAITING ON THE INFORMATION.
WHO APPLIES FOR THE FUNDING FOR THE ONE 50 STUDY? UH, THE STAKEHOLDERS OR THE CITY? THE, THE, THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY.
UH, MY OTHER QUESTION IS, UM, OH, YOU ANSWERED THAT.
SO MY CONCERN IS WITH YOUR PRESENTATION IS ALL THE STUDIES, YOU KNOW MM-HMM.
ONE OF 'EM, YOU SAID, I WON'T EVEN BE ON THE COMMISSION ANYMORE.
SO HOW DO THESE COMMUNITIES AROUND THIS AIRPORT GET RELIEF IN THE PROCESS OF ALL THESE STUDIES? UH, SO THE REASON FOR THESE STUDIES IS, IS WE, THIS IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN THE EARLY NINETIES, THE FA TOOK AWAY LOCAL CONTROL OVER NOISE MM-HMM.
SO TO, TO MAKE THESE CHANGES, UM, WE HAVE TO DO THESE STUDIES TO ENCOURAGE THE F A A TO, IF THE STUDY DETERMINES, IT'S A, IT'S A SOLUTION AND IT'S THE BEST SOLUTION TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
UM, WE CANNOT, AS THE AIRPORT MAKE THESE CHANGES.
I CANNOT BAN AIRCRAFT LEGALLY FROM OPERATING AT THE AIRPORT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VOLUNTARY PROGRAM WAS WRITTEN INTO THE RIGHT AMENDMENT.
UM, THERE WAS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO FOLLOW THE VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIMITATIONS ON IF I CAN STOP THEM FROM, FROM, FROM LANDING.
SO WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN GET MOVING.
THIS IS AVIATION DEPARTMENT MONEY.
UH, WE HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE.
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UM, SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN ROLL INTO ALMOST IMMEDIATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, PENDING RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL.SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WOULD WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR.
UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY WHEN OUR BUDGET THAN A, A GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT.
UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY SCOPED THESE AS PO POSSIBLE STUDIES TO DO.
SO OUR INTENT IS TO REALLY MOVE INTO THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
YEAH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION.
WITH THE FUNDING, DO YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE FUNDING BEFORE YOU START THE STUDY? OR Y'ALL ALREADY HAVE THE FUNDING TO START THE STUDY STUDIES? WE HAVE THE, THE FUNDING FOR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LARGER, UM, CAPITAL PROGRAMS THAT GO INTO MILLIONS OR TENS OF MILLIONS, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO SUPPLEMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE WITH GRANT FUNDING.
AND, AND THOSE WOULD BE AFTER THE STUDY.
SO IF WE DID SOMETHING LIKE A NOISE WALL, UM, OR WE DID A RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, WE'RE GONNA SAMPLE THAT.
THE, THE SOUND INSULATION PROGRAM YOU WITH SOME OF OUR MONEY AND SOME OF THE FEDERAL MONEY WE APPLIED FOR.
AND THEN, UH, I'M GONNA TRY TO HURRY UP.
SO ON THE LETTER, THE, UH, LEFT FIELD CITIZEN ACTION COMMITTEE, UH, SUBMITTED OUR COMMISSION.
ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS, Y'ALL ONLY TOOK ONE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE REQUEST.
SO, UH, IS IT A REASON WHY THE RESTORING COMPLIANCE WITH THE, ESTABLISHING THE 11:00 PM TO SIX, UH, AM THEY WANNA CHANGE IT FROM, UH, THEY WANNA CHANGE IT? SO IS THERE A REASON THAT WASN'T IN A RECOMMENDATION? UH, THE, THE 11:00 PM TO 6:00 AM MM-HMM.
UM, BUT THE, THE 11 TO TO SIX IS WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS WE'RE ROLLING THAT OUT, UM, TO THE, THE ENTIRE AIRPORT, NOT JUST TO A PARTICULAR AIR CARRIER.
UM, WHERE WE GET INTO SOME, UH, QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION, IS, UM, WHAT IS A VOLUNTARY MEASURE, UM, THAT'S WRITTEN INTO AN AGREEMENT THAT IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A SIGNED AGREEMENT WITH THE, THE CARRIERS AND, AND HOW IS THAT ENFORCED? AND THAT'S, THAT'S A, A LEGAL QUESTION FOR US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.
AND TO SUM IT UP, ALL THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU PRESENTED US, ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS IN AGREEING WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? YES, WE, WE, UM, WE ENGAGED THEM.
UM, THIS IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEM.
THE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING IS, I THINK WE HAVE A BETTER SOLUTION.
AND, UM, BUT, BUT THESE WERE DONE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER CHAIR WALLACE, AND THEN DR.
UM, SO MY QUESTION IS ON SLIDE 37, ABOUT RESIDENTIAL SOUND INSULATION PROGRAM.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S INCLUDED, BECAUSE I'M THINKING ATTIC INSULATION AND DOUBLE PANE WINDOWS WOULD NOT COME NEAR TO THAT IN, UH, EACH HOME.
AND, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD HAVE A, A DOUBLE PURPOSE, A DOUBLE WHAMMY, WHICH WOULD BE, IF YOU, IF THOSE THINGS ARE INCLUDED, THAT'S SOUND REDUCTION AS WELL AS ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WHICH CUTS OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN THIS AREA.
SO, YEAH, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S INCLUDED IN RESIDENTIAL SOUND INSULATION.
AND THEN, UM, I WANNA PUT, UH, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WHAT YOU START WITH ARE THE OLDER, UM, HOMES THAT HAVE DEFERRED, UM, MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THOSE ARE USUALLY GONNA BE OUR OLDER AND, UH, LOW INCOME POPULATIONS.
AND JUST FROM AN EQUITY PERSPECTIVE THAT THOSE ARE THE HOMES YOU SHOULD START WITH FIRST.
SO I, WHAT IS INCLUDED IN RESIDENTIAL SOUND INSULATION? UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
SO THIS, THIS IS A MEASURE WE, WE DIDN'T, UM, RECOMMEND, BUT IN OUR NOISE, IN OUR, UM, SOUND INSTALLATION PROGRAM, THE, IF WE DID IT AS A CITY, THIS IS THE ESTIMATE WE HAD FROM THE CONSULTANT.
UM, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO TAKE A, I THINK A, UM, HOUSE WITH AN INTERIOR NOISE OF ABOVE 45 DECIBELS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD INSULATE IT TO, UH, THE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT'S INCLUDED FROM INSULATION TO WINDOWS, UH, BUT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION.
AND AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE PRI THE, THE
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DUAL PURPOSE I THINK IS BENEFICIAL.AND, UM, THE AIRPORT'S WORKING ON OUR CARBON, UM, ACCREDITATION TILL WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE, UM, CARBON NEUTRAL.
BUT, UM, IN THIS CASE, WE'RE HIGHLY RESTRICTED ON HOW WE USE FUNDS.
UM, WE HAVE FEDERAL OBLIGATIONS ON HOW AND WHERE WE CAN USE OUR FUNDING.
SO WE CAN ACTUALLY USE OUR MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE 65 D AND L, EVEN IF WE WANTED TO.
UM, AND WITHIN IT, UM, IT'S REALLY TIED TO WHAT IS THE MOST IMPACTFUL, MAYBE NOT WHAT'S THE OLDEST.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT HAVE A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER IN OUR INTERNAL PROGRAM IF WE CREATE THAT WHEN WE'RE CREATING THE PRIORITY.
UM, WE COULD LOOK AT OLDER HOUSES AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS A RANKING SYSTEM ON WHO GETS IT FIRST, WE COULD, WE COULD PROBABLY WORK TOWARDS THAT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WERE MOVING TO RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO, TO EIGHT AND NINE VERSUS THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE THE CITY AND THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION HAS A LOT MORE CONTROL OF WHO GETS WHAT AND WHEN.
UM, AND DID I MISS ANY OF YOUR, OF YOUR QUESTION? I APOLOGIZE.
NO, I JUST THINK THAT 64,000 IS AN OVERESTIMATION AND ALAN HOFFMAN MIGHT COULD SPEAK TO THAT, BUT, UM, UM, YEAH, IT'S, UH, ARE, ARE OTHER CITIES DOING, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THE R S I P PROGRAM? YEP.
THERE'S I THINK TWO AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A PART ONE, UH, A PROGRAM, UM, LIKE THIS THAT, UH, THEY WENT THROUGH THE FULL ONE 50 STUDY.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL GET WITH OUR CONSULTANT TO GET YOU THOSE.
UM, REMEMBER WE ARE A CITY DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE PROCUREMENT POLICIES WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.
UM, WE DON'T ALWAYS GET, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE, THE, THE RIGHT PRICE ON THINGS.
UM, SO IT IS TYPICALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE FOR US TO DO BUSINESS, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS LIKE THIS.
BUT, UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY GET BACK WITH OUR, OUR, UH, CONSULTANT AND DRILL DOWN AND WHAT THESE ACTUAL COSTS ARE COMING AND HOW WE GOT TO THAT PER HOUSE ESTIMATE FOR YOU.
AND I THINK THE PURPOSE OF RFPS IS TO KEEP THE PRICE MORE REASONABLE, SO THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER.
YEAH, I HAVE, UM, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES, I HAVE, HAVE SERIES, UH, SOME, UH, SEVERAL AREAS.
UH, ONE, UH, ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS EARLY ON IN YOUR TALK, YOU TALKED ABOUT SOME NEWER TECHNOLOGIES WHICH ARE COMING SUCH AS THE VERTICAL TAKEOFF.
UM, IS THERE ANY IDEA HOW THOSE EITHER POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY WILL AFFECT SOUND LEVELS? THAT, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THESE VEHICLES HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN APPROVED.
UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF AMBITIOUS, THERE'S A LOT OF TECH COMPANIES BEHIND THESE.
UM, AND THERE'S LOTS OF THEM OUT THERE.
SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE INITIAL ONES THAT ARE COMING OUT IS THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE FOLLOWING JUST LIKE A HELICOPTER.
THEY'RE GONNA BE, HE, THEY'RE GONNA FOLLOW HELICOPTER FLIGHT TRACKS THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THE METROPLEX, UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE FLYING AT THOSE ALTITUDES.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE 'EM SEE MUCH.
WHERE ARE YOU GONNA SEE IT AS WHEN, IF, IF IT'S PROVEN SUCCESSFUL, UM, AND THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, WHERE WE'RE ALL GONNA BE FLYING THESE THINGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A LOT MORE WORK DONE.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S SEVERAL DECADES DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, BUT, BUT WHAT WE'RE COMMITTED TO, AND, AND WE TALK TO THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP ABOUT IS AS THESE EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES COME, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM AND, AND ADDRESSING 'EM.
BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY SERIOUS CONTENDERS, UM, OTHER THAN SOME KIND OF TEST MARKETS.
AND, UH, IN THE METROPLEX AS A WHOLE, THEY'RE FOLLOWING HELICOPTER TRACKS RIGHT NOW.
AND THEY'RE, THEY ARE TYPICALLY LESS LOUD.
UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TYPICALLY ELECTRIC.
UM, BUT IT BECOMES, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BE STUDIED MORE.
SO MY NEXT, MY NEXT QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH THE, UM, ORIGINS OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THE, UH, THE COMMUNITIES TO THE NORTH, THE WEST AND THE SOUTH.
UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH, BECAUSE I'VE DONE SOME WORK IN THOSE COMMUNITIES WITH DALLAS AREA INTERFAITH.
UM, HOW WERE THOSE COMMUNITIES INCLUDED IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, GIVEN THAT THEY TEND TO BE, UH, ETHNICALLY DIFFERENT FROM THOSE TO THE EAST? UH, SO THAT WAS, SOME OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, OUR STAKEHOLDER GROUP.
UM, YOU WAS COGNIZANT OF THAT.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THINGS LIKE THE SOUND WALL CAME, UM, IS THAT WE'RE NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, MISSING ANYBODY FROM AN EQUITY STANDPOINT.
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AND, AND PARTICULARLY THE, THE STAKEHOLDER GROUP, WE HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP.UM, YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY FAIR TO PUT OUT ALL THE LOUD TRAFFIC AT NIGHT OVER THE DENTON RUNWAY? AND THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE RUNWAY BALANCE.
UM, SO WE'RE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROGRAM.
UH, AND MY, MY THIRD, WHICH IS MORE OF A, MORE OF A POINT THAN IT IS A QUESTION, IS THAT, WELL, I GUESS IT IS A QUESTION.
WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT, FROM WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THOSE COMMUNITIES TO THE WEST, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH IS, IS THAT FRANKLY, THOSE WE ARE, WE'RE CONCERNED IN OUR WORK AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM THIS COMMISSION WITH PRESERVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT HOUSING HAS ITS CHALLENGES.
LOOKING AT THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS TODAY, WHERE THE CITY IS TRYING TO DEAL WITH HARASSMENT OF TENANTS, UH, IN THE, YOU KNOW, AN AREA FAIRLY PROXIMATE TO LOVE FIELD.
UH, AND, BUT IT IS WHERE THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING AS THOSE PLACES GET, QUOTE, UPGRADED IN TERMS OF THEIR COMPLIANCE IS THEY, THEN THE RENT GOES UP AND THEY BECOME UNAFFORDABLE.
UH, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THOSE HOUSES, UH, SOME OF WHOM ARE ELDERLY AND SO LONG, CAN NO LONGER AFFORD TO LIVE IN THEM.
AND SO WE HAVE A CHALLENGE IN PRESERVING THOSE, UH, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS INADEQUATE FOR OUR NEEDS.
IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED IN YOUR PLANNING? SO, UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO I THINK THAT, THAT GOES BACK TO OUR RECOMMENDATION OF WE'RE, WE'RE RECOMMEND A PROGRAM WE HAVE MORE CONTROL OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE, THE, THE, UM, THE FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT WE, THE LARGER PROGRAM, UM, THE LONGER PROGRAM, UM, ONCE WE DO THAT, WE HAVE A LITTLE LESS CONTROL OF WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE DON'T.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE CITIES AROUND.
SO, YOU KNOW, THESE PROGRAMS WOULD BE, UM, FUNDED BY US.
UM, SO IF THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S IN IT, IT'S ELIGIBLE, WE'D BE PAYING FOR THAT SOUNDS INSULATION, IT WOULDN'T BE FOR THEM.
SO WE ARE SENSITIVE TO, UM, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE REST OF THE CITY AND HOW WE'RE IMPACTING THAT.
I, I, I, ONE, ONE, UM, QUESTION THAT I HAD FROM WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IF WE WENT THE ROUTE OF THE ONE 50, DO THEIR CRITERIA INCLUDE ANY CONSIDERATION OF EQUITY OR NOT? UH, THAT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK THAT, GET YOU THAT INFORMATION.
AND THANKS YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO TO COMMISSIONER ARIEL NEXT.
JUST A HEADS UP COMMISSIONERS, WE'VE GONE THROUGH 15 MINUTES OF OUR Q AND A TIME, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO EXPEDITE THESE QUESTIONS.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR YOU THIS EVENING, MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEND THOSE TO STAFF AFTER THIS BRIEFING SO THAT WE CAN GET ONTO OUR NEXT ITEM.
IS IT TRUE THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO THE VOLUNTARY NOISE PROGRAM IN THE CURRENT LOVE FIELD ANNUAL REPORT? CORRECT.
UM, WHAT ABOUT CURFEW LANGUAGE BEING RETAINED IN YOUR FIELD? UH, GATE USAGE AND LEASE AGREEMENTS THAT WILL BE MORE BINDING AND PERHAPS ENFORCEMENT? SO THAT, THAT'S TRICKY.
UM, AGAIN, WE CAN'T MANDATE, WE CAN, IT HAS TO BE VOLUNTARY.
THAT WAS THE SOLUTION THAT WE FEEL LIKE IF WE ROLL IT OUT AIRPORT WIDE, WE'RE NOT JUST HITTING SOME OF THE USERS.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE IT TO ALL OF THE USERS.
UM, SO FOR US TO MOVE THE NEEDLE, WE'VE GOTTA TOUCH EVERYBODY, UM, AND NOT JUST FOCUS ON THE AIRLINES.
IT'S, AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S EVERYBODY THAT'S GENERATING NOISE.
I JUST WANNA COMMEND THE NEIGHBORS FOR THIS PROCESS, UM, AND COMMEND MR. CARRANO NEW STAFF ON YOUR COLLABORATION.
UM, I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE LISTENED AND AGREED TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
I KNOW THE NEIGHBORS CANNOT SAY THAT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS STAFF IN THE D O A.
THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA WORK OUR WAY, UH, AROUND, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, UM, THAT I DID WANNA ASK.
ARE YOU COLLABORATING WITH FLORIDA, DALLAS AND OR OUR PLANNING P U D STAFF REGARDING THESE EXISTING 65 CONTOUR AND THE, UM, APPROPRIATE USAGES IN THAT PROCESS? I ACTUALLY, I ASKED STAFF THAT QUESTION.
I KNOW WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM, BUT TO WHAT EXTENT I, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT.
MY NEXT, UM, QUESTION WAS, UH,
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REFERENCE SLIDE 37.UH, WHICH PART OF THOSE, UH, DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON THE, THE SLIDE WERE FEDERALLY FUNDED? IF WE COULD GO BACK? SO, UH, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, THERE ISN'T A SET AMOUNT.
UM, SO FROM AN ELIGIBILITY STANDPOINT, THESE PROJECTS ARE GET, ARE 80%, UH, FEDERAL, 20% LOCAL FUNDING.
UM, SO THERE'S, WE CAN, WE HAVE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS, UM, DISCRETIONARY, WHAT WE CALL DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT.
UH, SO WE GET A SET ENTITLEMENT, WE GET SET, UH, WE COMPETE FOR DISCRETIONARY WITH OTHER AIRPORTS.
SO THEY'RE TYPICALLY AIRFIELD RELATED PROJECTS, NOISE, UH, IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.
AND THEY'RE KIND OF, UM, YEAR TO YEAR DEPENDS.
SO WHAT WE PUT IN THERE IS AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE THINK WE WOULD GET, UM, PER YEAR.
UM, ON SLIDE 26, YOU SAID THAT ALL PARTIES PARTICIPATE IN THE 11:00 PM TO 6:00 AM VOLUNTARY CURFEW IN SOUTHWEST IS THE ONLY EXISTING AIRLINE STILL AT THE AIRPORT THAT WAS SIGNED ONTO THAT FIVE PARTY AGREEMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
FOR THIS WEEK, OCTOBER 11TH, THERE ARE EIGHT FLIGHTS SCHEDULED TO ARRIVE BETWEEN 8:00 PM AND MIDNIGHT.
AND SEVEN OF THOSE ARE SOUTHWEST FLIGHTS.
SO WE GO BACK TO LOOKING AT DEPARTURES.
TYPICALLY, OUR, UM, YOU HAVE THE LOUDEST, WE LOOK AT THE RIVALS.
SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT A HUNDRED PERCENT, 98%.
UM, AGAIN, UH, IT GETS BACK INTO, YOU KNOW, MESSAGING, COMMUNICATING WITH THEM WHY THE, WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, THE PRIORITIES OF ROLLING UP THIS PROGRAM AND, AND GETTING THEM THE BUY-IN.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE START TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT, IT GETS INTO SOME GRAY AREAS, UM, THAT I WOULD HAVE LEGAL WEIGH IN ON.
UH, BUT IT COMES BACK TO, IT'S A, IT'S A VOLUNTARY PIECE OF AN AGREEMENT.
AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, IT'S GOOD.
BUT IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, IS THAT RIGHT? IT WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT, UM, CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO REGULATE, UM, THE CURFEW.
WE DID HAVE THAT ABILITY POST 1991.
WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT ABILITY.
UM, I'LL SEND YOU THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS.
UH, COMMISSIONER ROBERTON, GO AHEAD.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
IT WAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR HEAR IS WHAT 65 D N L SOUNDS LIKE? UH, WHEN I WAS, UM, I'M DATING MYSELF A LITTLE BIT, BUT FROM FIRST TO FOURTH GRADE, I GREW UP IN THE LOVEFIELD AREA AND IT WAS NOISY THEN.
SO I CAN IMAGINE WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH NOW.
SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE DOING THE STUDY, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS, THE NINE MONTH STUDY THAT YOU'RE DOING.
COULD YOU ADD IN THERE THE PHYSICAL OR EMOTIONAL EFFECTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THOSE SOUND? IS IT THERE? I'M SURE THERE'S SOME HEALTH DEFICITS OR HEALTH THINGS.
I THINK THAT WE CAN SEND YOU, BEFORE WE DO THOSE STUDIES ON, UH, WHAT THE EQUIVALENCIES ARE FOR EACH ONE OF THOSE, UM, GOING MUCH HIGHER THAN 65 AND, AND, UH, WHAT SOME OF THE IMPACTS ARE ON THOSE.
AND IS THERE A COMMUNITY LIAISON FOR, UH, FROM YOUR, ON YOUR END THAT A REGULAR CITIZEN COULD CALL AND CONTACT? DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PRESIDENT OF THIS OR THAT? IS THERE ANYTHING SET UP WHERE THEY COULD, WHERE A CITIZEN THAT HAS AN ISSUE RELATED TO THAT, THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE EVEN PICKED UP TO JUST CALL? UM, SO YOU'VE HEARD FROM SOME OF OUR GROUP, UM, YOU, I, I THINK THEY'VE QUASI, UM, YOU KNOW, TAKEN ON SOME THINGS.
I WOULDN'T SAY THERE'S A PARTICULAR, UM, PERSON THAT WE'D LIKE PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO.
I MEAN, THEY CAN ALWAYS COME TO THE DEPARTMENT.
WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT MORE TRANSPARENT.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THAT PROCESS EASIER ON HOW YOU GET INFORMATION FROM US.
UM, BUT, UM, I, I WOULD LEAVE THAT UP TO THE, TO THE STAKEHOLDERS GROUP TO, TO OFFER UP THAT INFORMATION.
COMMISSIONER MURRAY, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COMMENT, MR. HOFFMAN? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE STAKEHOLDERS HEARING AND SPEAKING.
UH, THE QUESTION I HAD IS WITH REGARD TO SOME OF THE NOISE MITIGATION TECHNIQUES, UH, THAT COULD BE USED IN TERMS OF PANEL WALLS, SOUNDPROOF WALLS MM-HMM.
UH, WOULD THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ERECTING WALLS NEARBY THE RUN WHERE THE MOTOR RUNUP AREAS WHERE THEY'RE GETTING STARTED TO FOR TAKEOFF? SO WE DO, UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UH, WE, WE HAVE A RUNUP AREA ENCLOSURE NOW FOR MAINTENANCE
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RUN-UPS THAT THEY USE.SO I THINK WHAT WILL BE ADDRESSED IS IN THE, THE, THE SOUND WALL STUDY THAT WE'LL DO, IT'LL LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PERIMETER, SO NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR AREA.
WE THINK THAT CLOSE IN AREA IS PROBABLY THE MOST VIABLE.
SO IF, IF THERE IS A MECHANISM TO CONSTRUCT THOSE, UM, LIKE I MENTIONED THERE, I THINK CHICAGO MIDWAY HAS SOUND WALLS.
UM, AND THEY, THEIR VALUE, THEIR, THERE'S COST BENEFIT TO 'EM.
WE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D LOOK TO INSTALL.
THAT, THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION, WHETHER THERE WAS ANY DATA, UH, IN TERMS OF THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE MITIGATION TECHNIQUES YOU'RE LOOKING AT? YEAH, THERE'S VERY LIMITED DATA.
UM, WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE IT.
BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S WOULD HAVE DONE THE EXTENSIVE, UH, THIS, THE AMOUNT OF STUDY THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO ON THAT.
UM, SO THESE, ALL THESE STUDIES, ARE THESE BEING DONE CONCURRENTLY OR ARE THESE BEING DONE CONSECUTIVELY? UM, BECAUSE THESE ARE HARMFUL EFFECTS THAT ARE REALLY KIND OF HAPPENING TO THE RESIDENTS RIGHT NOW.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UH, OUR NOISE CONSULTANT, UM, IS, IS, UH, VERY WELL KNOWN.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR DECADES AT LOTS OF AIRPORTS.
UM, OUR INTENT WOULD BE TO DO ALL OF THESE, UM, AS QUICKLY AS FEASIBLE WITH THEM.
UH, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM TO SEE WHAT THEIR WORKLOAD WOULD BE, BUT, UM, OUR INTENT WOULD TO BE ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THEM AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WORK THROUGH ALL THESE TOGETHER.
AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION, I'M, I'M STILL A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE TIMES.
SO THE, THE, THE RUNUP IS BETWEEN 9:00 PM AND 6:00 AM USING, UH, LIKE THERE'S A PREFERENTIAL USING THE DENTIN, UM, RUNWAY.
IS THAT RIGHT? SO FOR, FOR MAINTENANCE RUN-UPS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MANDATE, UH, THAT IS REGULATED, UM, THAT WAS, WAS SET WHEN WE COULD DO THAT.
AND THAT'S FROM 12:00 AM TO SIX P 12:12 AM TO 6:00 AM YOU CAN'T DO ANY ENGINE RUN-UPS OR MAINTENANCE, UH, FULL BAN ON THAT.
UM, WE HAVE A VOLUNTARY, UH, MEASURE BEFORE THAT, UM, THAT WE ASK THAT THEY DON'T FOLLOW.
UM, THAT'S NOT TIED TO ONE RUNWAY OR NOT.
IT'S TIED TO THE MAINTENANCE OF, ON ANY PART OF THE AIRPORT OR IN THE RUNWAY RUNUP ENCLOSURE ITSELF.
AND THEN WHY IS THIS THE MIDNIGHT TO, AND HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? THE MIDNIGHT TO 6:00 AM WE, WE HAVE, UH, AIRPORT OPERATIONS STAFF HERE 24 7.
UM, AND, UH, THE, THE, THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL TOWER IS 24 7.
UM, THEY'RE ALL AWARE OF THIS RESTRICTION.
UM, THEY ACTUALLY CAN'T EVEN TAXI TO THE RUNUP ENCLOSURE WITHOUT OPERATIONS APPROVAL.
SO, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE TO PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING.
UH, EVEN IF IT DOES HAPPEN, I'M, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LAST TIME IT'S EVER HAPPENED.
WE WOULD TAKE APPROPRIATE MEASURES FROM THERE, AND THERE'S NO WAY TO INCREASE THAT TIME PERIOD.
LIKE TO GIVE PEOPLE A MINIMUM OF LIKE EIGHT HOURS OF CONTINUOUS SILENCE SO THEY CAN GET SOME SLEEP IN THIS AREA WHERE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE KIND OF MORE LOWER SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS WHO PROBABLY HAVE HIGHER HEALTH EFFECTS FROM THE, THESE HIGH DECIBELS OR, OR WHO HAVE PAST, UH, ON A VOLUNTARY HEALTH ISSUES.
UM, NOT THE, THE, WE'VE, AGAIN, WE PASSED THE TIMEFRAME OF WHERE LOCALLY WE CAN BAN IT.
UM, SO THE BANS FROM SIX TO 12, AND WE HIGHLY ENCOURAGE IT YOU FOR THAT EIGHT HOUR PERIOD.
I, I THINK WE FINISHED ABOUT THREE MINUTES EARLY, SO, UH, WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.
UH, WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.
I WILL SEND THOSE OVER, UH, FROM YOUR STAFF.
WE'LL EXPECT THE NUMBER OF QUIET FLIGHTS, UH, AS REQUESTED BY COMMISSIONER AU, THE TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL SOUND MITIGATION MEASURES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT $369 MILLION STRUCTURE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL SOUND INSTALLATION PROGRAM, AS REQUESTED BY CHAIR WALLACE CONSIDERATIONS OF EQUITY IN THE FEDERAL PROGRAM.
UM, COMMISSIONER LOCKMAN, THE FOUR DALLAS CONSIDERATIONS IN THE 65 CONTOURS REQUESTED BY MYSELF.
AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR, UM, WHICH OF THOSE MEASURES, UH, THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING OR SUPPORTING THE RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, SUPPORT OR REDUCTION IN EMISSIONS? AS YOU KNOW, OUR TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS ARE OUR LARGEST SOURCE OF EMISSIONS.
AND I KNOW THAT AS AN AIRPORT YOU'RE WORKING ON NET ZERO AND, OR, UM, SOME OTHER GOALS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OUR CCAP CALLS FOR THE SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION OF THOSE EMISSIONS BY 2030.
SO JUST PUTTING THAT IN THE, IN THE PRESENTATION, I THINK COULD ALSO BE HELPFUL AS YOU HEAD TO P T E.
WE'LL GET THOSE ANSWERED FOR YOU.
ALRIGHT, LET US MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM THIS EVENING,
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BRIEFING ITEM B.THANK YOU ALL TO, UH, TO ALL OF OUR GUESTS FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.
BRIEFING ITEM B IS THE, UH, REGARDING THE WATERLINE BREAK IN THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST.
AND IF YOU'LL INTRODUCE YOURSELVES WHEN YOU HAVE A SEAT.
MR. HOFFMAN, WOULD YOU PEEK AND SEE IF MR. MARQUIS IS READY TO COME BACK INSIDE? I THINK HE WANTS TO HEAR THIS BRIEFING ITEM.
I THINK HE'S THIS WAY BY MR. STANDIFER.
JUST LET THEM KNOW WE'RE STARTING.
WILL YOU MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE'S ON? GOOD EVENING.
I'M THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER WATER DELIVERY.
WATER DELIVERY INCLUDES WATER DISTRIBUTION, PUMPING WATER QUALITY, AND MATERIAL SERVICES.
AND HERE WITH ME TODAY IS JEFF HADAWAY, WHO IS THE SUPERINTENDENT OVER WATER DISTRIBUTION.
I JUST, UH, WANNA GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR SYSTEM.
UH, OUR SYSTEM CONSISTS OF OVER 5,000 MILES OF WATER MAINS SINCE IT'S, SINCE WE HAD THE LEFT FIELD HERE.
AND, UM, UH, FLIGHT FROM DALLAS TO LONDON.
SO, UH, OUR GUYS, UH, ARE ACTUALLY MAINTAINING, UH, LONGER STRETCH OF, UH, DISTRIBUTION PIPELINES AND IS THE DISTANCE BETWEEN DALLAS AND LONDON.
AND, UM, WE DID FIND OUT ABOUT THE, OR WERE MADE AWARE OF, ABOUT THE LEAK AT THE REGISTER LEVEL LAST OCTOBER OF 2022.
AND WE IMMEDIATELY, UH, BEGAN LOOKING AT THE PLANTS.
UH, WE WENT ON SITE, UH, WE GAIN ENTRY BECAUSE, UH, THE AREA IS FENCED OFF.
AND, UH, AT THAT TIME, I DUNNO IF YOU REMEMBER, BUT LAST FALL, IT WAS ACTUALLY RAINING, UH, LAST AUGUST.
WE GOT IN ONE DAY 15 INCHES OF RAIN.
SO, UM, THERE WAS REALLY NO ACCESS.
YOU COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING FROM THE ROADWAY.
THERE WERE SIX, SEVEN FOOT TALL, UH, CATTAILS THERE.
SO WE JUST LOOKED AT OUR G I S INFORMATION AND THE MAPS, AND WE SAW THAT THERE'S A 30 INCH LINE, WHICH HAD, UM, COUPLE OF NINETIES THERE, WHICH YOU SHOW WHEN YOU HAVE A 90 DEGREE ANGLE, THAT'S A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR POSSIBLE PROBLEM.
SO WHAT WE DID IMMEDIATELY, UH, WE ISOLATED, UH, ABOUT 1800 FEET OVER 30 INCH PIPELINE.
AND WE JUST LEFT THAT EIGHT INCH BYPASS VALVE OPEN JUST ABOUT HALFWAY.
WE HAD TO DO IT TO MAINTAIN THE PRESSURE IN THE PIPELINE IN CASE WE NEED IT.
UM, BECAUSE OF, UM, OUR SYSTEM IS, UH, DIVIDED INTO 18 INDIVIDUAL PRESSURE PLANES.
AND WE CAN MOVE WATER FROM ONE PRESSURE, PRESSURE PLANE TO ANOTHER TO KEY PEOPLE IN WATER.
AND SO WANTED, WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN THAT
UM, WE ALSO SCHEDULED AT THAT TIME WITH NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
UM, THEY ARE PROVIDING THE THIRD PARTY LEAK DETECTION ON LARGE PIPELINES FOR US.
UH, EVERYTHING OVER 20 INCHES IN OUR FIELD IS CONSIDERED A LARGE PIPELINE.
AND SO WE GOT ON THEIR CALENDAR, WE SCHEDULED THE INSPECTION FOR THE SUMMER BECAUSE, UH, WE NEED LARGE FLOW AND HIGH PRESSURES IN THE LINE BECAUSE THE EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED, UH, THROUGH THE PIPELINE.
UH, WE ALSO WENT ON SITE, UM, THERE WAS NO FISH GUIL, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS VISIBLE THAT WOULD BE CHLORINE, THAT CHLORINE WOULD BE IMPACTING THE FLORA OR FAUNA.
WE DID PUT IN JUST IN CASE WE CHLORINATION TABLETS THERE, WE ALSO CONTRACT CONDUCTED STORM WATER.
THEY EVENT, THEY DID INITIAL ASSESSMENT.
ONCE AGAIN, THEY CONFIRMED THERE IS NO, THERE WAS NO FISH, KILL, NOTHING.
AND, UH, UH, THEN IN JULY WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO GO AND ACTUALLY INSPECT IT, THIS UH, UM,
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WE INSPECTED 10 OTHER LINES ALONG THE, WELL, ALONG THE LEVEE.AND SO AT THAT POINT, WE SHUT EVERYTHING OUT, INCLUDING THE BYPASS PLOW, AND THEN WE SCHEDULED IT FOR REPAIRS.
AND, UH, LIKE EVERY SUMMER, THE DEMAND WAS INCREASING, THE TEMPERATURES WERE RISING, AND WE HAD, UH, BREAKS, REAL BREAKS.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA REPAIR EVERY LEAK AND BREAK, BUT WE HAVE TO SET PRIORITIES EVERY DAY.
AND IF THERE'S A BREAK, PEOPLE ARE OUT OF, UH, WATER, THEN WE HAVE TO SEND OUR, UH, ROOMS THERE.
WE FINALLY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A, UH, BREAK, I DUNNO IF IT WAS BREAK, BUT WE HAD THE, THE WEATHER COOPERATED AND WE WERE ABLE TO START THE WORK OVER THE LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
AND, UH, THE, UH, OUR FOOTPRINT WAS THE VERY MINIMAL, BASICALLY HAD TO BUILD A ROADWAY SO WE CAN TAKE THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, 30 INCH, UH, THE LINE WAS, UH, EIGHT FEET, UH, DEEP.
SO WE HAD TO EXCAVATE AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT GETS IN.
AND, UH, SO WE, UH, FIXED THE, UH, JOINT.
IT WAS A JOINT BREAK, BASICALLY CAUSED BY SHIFTING OF SOIL.
THEN WE, UM, BACKFILLED PRESSURIZED IT.
AND, UH, THEN ANOTHER LEAK, UM, STARTED TO SHOW.
AND, UH, IT ALSO LIKE IT BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY BUILT THE ROADWAY OVER THE PIPELINE.
SO WE WERE IN, IN THE SAME, UH, CONSTRUCTION FOOTPRINT.
IT WAS ALL DONE WITHIN THE NEXT, WITHIN THE SAME, UH, LABOR DAY WEEKEND.
AND THEN WE DID THE CHLORINATION COLLECTING OF THE BACK SAMPLES AND PUT IN THE LINE BACK IN SERVICE.
AND THE ONE WAS PUT IN SERVICE.
SEPTEMBER 11 OF THE STAFF FROM THE CITY FORESTRY TASK FORCE CAME OUT.
THEY LOOKED AT THE, UH, FLORA, THEY LOOKED AT THE, FOUND OUT, UH, THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY ADVERSE EFFECT, UH, FROM THE LEAK OR THE REPAIRS.
AND THEY WILL GOING CONTINUE TO MONITOR IT.
SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S ALL WE GOT.
WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? COMMISSIONER? RE GO AHEAD.
UH, Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT A PARK THAT I CER REPRESENT IN SOUTH DEVILS IN, UM, BUMP TIME.
UH, SOME OF THIS IS HAPPENING IN THIS AREA.
MY QUESTIONS IS, DID YOU SEND A NOTIFICATION TO THE JOINT COMMUNITIES AROUND THE, UH, THE WATER PLAINS AT THE ROCHESTER? 'CAUSE IT'S A WHOLE COMMUNITY OVER THERE.
AND YOU SAID THIS WATER, UH, IT WAS HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER? WE WERE ESTIMATING? UM, 12,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
DID THIS WATER, UH, WATERLINE BREAK AFFECT THE, UH, WATER, UH, UM, THE TAKE THE WATER, LIKE THE WATER BILLS FOR THAT COMMUNITY? DID THIS WATER LANE BREAK AFFECT THE USAGE PAYMENTS FOR THAT JOINT COMMUNITY? NO, THIS, THIS IS A TRANSMISSION LINE.
UH, THE, THE LINES OF SMALLER LINES ARE METERED, UHHUH,
AND THEN THE OTHER COMMUNITY, UH, OTHER QUESTION, UH, UH, DID Y'ALL NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY OR JOIN UP TO THAT? DID, WAS IT A THERE WAS NO INTERRUPTION IN SERVICE.
THERE NEVER EVER WERE CUSTOMERS OUT OF WATER.
THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T KNOW THIS, UH, REPAIR WAS HAPPENING.
WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE WATER, CONTINUOUS WATER TO ALL CUSTOMERS, SO IT DIDN'T AFFECT THE COMMUNITY.
SO IT WAS NO REASON TO, UH, ALARM THE COMMUNITY.
BUT MY REALLY BIGGEST CONCERN IS, RIGHT MM-HMM.
AND SO THEY TELL US DON'T HAVE STANDING WATER.
SO I THINK WE SHOULD EVALUATE THAT BY THIS WATER.
DID THE INCREASE THE HABITATION OF MOSQUITOES AROUND THAT PARK? THAT PARK IS VERY UTILIZED BY THE COMMUNITY OF BLACKS.
I'M JUST GONNA SAY, BE HONEST.
IT'S A BLACK PARK, A LOT OF BLACK, UH, UH, PEOPLE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND IF IT WAS A WATER MAIN BREAK OVER THERE AND ALL THAT WATER WAS OUT THROUGH THE SUMMERTIME.
SO IT WAS HABITATING MOSQUITOES, THE PARK.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU VISIT THE PARK.
HAVE YOU VISITED THE PARK ON A SUNDAY? YES, I DO.
BECAUSE MATERIAL SERVICES OFF OF MUNICIPAL IS THERE AND WE STORE OUR PIPE THERE.
WELL, I AM NOT THERE ON SUNDAY.
Y DON'T HANG OUT THERE THOUGH.
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IN AND OUT.I HANG THERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS OF TIME.
AND IT DOES HAVE A MOSQUITO ISSUE.
I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WAS, THE PIPE WAS LEAKING WATER AND THEY HAD A HABITATION TO GO GET FREE WATER AND BUILD MOSQUITOES.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S VERY ALARMING TO ME.
UH, I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD HAVE, UH, UH, DID A, A MOSQUITO SPRAY AROUND IT JUST TO, YOU KNOW, ENSURE THAT THE MOSQUITOES DIDN'T HAVE WEST NOW THEY DIDN'T BUILD A HABITATION BECAUSE OF THE WATER BREAK OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME.
IT'S VERY CONCERNING AND IT'S VERY CONCERNING THAT Y'ALL DID NOT TELL THE COMMUNITY, NOT THAT IT WAS A, THEY WERE AFFECTED ABOUT THE BLACK, BUT IT IS GOOD TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO I, UH, WORKED IN THAT COMMUNITY THIS SUMMER, AND THAT'S HOW I KNOW IT'S A MOSQUITO ISSUE BECAUSE I, I WORKED AT A NONPROFIT CALLED BRIDGE BUILDERS, AND WE TOOK OUR KIDS TO THAT PARK THIS SUMMER, AND THE MOSQUITOES WERE HORRIBLE.
AND SO TO FIND OUT WHY, WELL, TO KIND OF FIND OUT THAT WE HAD A WATER MAIN BREAK, THAT'S PROBABLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE MOSQUITO HABITATION OVER THERE.
IT'S ALSO THAT THIS IS A, THIS IS A FLOOD PLAIN.
RIGHT NOW, AFTER ANY RAIN, IT'LL HAVE WATER.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR.
SO IT'S, IT'S THE FENCE AREA, FENCE OFF AREA CLOSE TO THE LE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, PEOPLE PARK UP ON THE LEVEE DOWN THERE ON SUNDAY.
THAT'S WHY I SAY YOU GO IN AND OUT, I VISIT THE PARK, THEY PARK ALL THE WAY UP ON THE LEVEES ON, ON THE WEEKEND AROUND THE LEVEES.
WHEN YOU GO INTO THE PARK, THEY ALL UP ON THE LEVEES.
SO I'M VERY AWARE OF MY COMMUNITY.
SO JUST TO SAY THAT'S A, UH, ISSUE WITH ME THAT Y'ALL DID NOT INFORM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE WATER LEAK.
AND DID, Y'ALL, DIDN'T TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE MOSQUITO HABITATION FROM THE WATER BEING SPILLING OVER MONTHS.
TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF COMMISSIONER RE'S COMMENT, WE HAVE HEARD REPORTS THAT BONTON RESIDENTS EXPERIENCED FOUL TASTING WATER FROM RAINWATER COMING BACK INTO THE BREAK IN THE MAIN, AND IT NOT BEING 100% CHLORINATED WATER THEN COMING TO PEOPLE'S HOMES.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? YES.
AS, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE MAINTAIN THE PRESSURE.
THAT'S WHY YOU MAINTAIN THE PRESSURE.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE WATER SURROUNDING WATER CAN, CAN GO BACK INTO THE PIPELINE.
SO THERE WERE, YEAH, THERE WERE NO, UH, WATER QUALITY ISSUES.
I'M SORRY, I KNOW IT'S NOT MY TURN, BUT I JUST HAD TO, YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT PRESSURE.
SO WHEN THE WATER LINE WATER, UH, PIPE WAS BROKEN, DID THE COMMUNITY EXPERIENCE WATER PRESSURE, LOW WATER PRESSURE BECAUSE THEY HAD A LEAK IN THE PIPE, IN THE WETLAND? ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO DO BEFORE THE REPAIRS IS, UH, PUT THEM ON A DIFFERENT PRESSURE PLANE.
YOU KNOW, WE CLOSED OFF THE VALVES, SO WE MADE SURE THAT, UH, THEY WERE FED FROM A DIFFERENT PRESSURE PLANE.
THERE WAS NEVER A LOSS OF PRESSURE OR LOSS OF SERVICE.
AND ACTUALLY THERE ARE ONLY TWO CUSTOMERS ON THAT LINE.
MR. MARQUIS, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
UH, COMMISSIONER DREW, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS VERY MUCH.
AND I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR EMPLOYEES FROM DW FOR COMING DOWN THIS EVENING.
SPEND THE EVENING ING WELL, THANK BEN FOR COMING DOWN AND SPEAKING ALSO, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LARGER QUESTION HERE.
YES, THIS LEAK WAS SERIOUS FOR MANY ISSUES TO BE ADDRESSED ABOUT THE ISSUES, UM, IN THIS ONE INSTANCE.
BUT WE HAVE A BIGGER ISSUE, UM, CITYWIDE AND EVEN, AND THIS IS EVEN A NATIONAL ISSUE, WHICH IS WATER INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY AGING INFRASTRUCTURE IN WATER.
AND IT'S GONNA BE AN ISSUE FOR US HERE BECAUSE WE'RE BECOMING A MORE AND MORE DENSE CITY.
YOU GO TO NORTHFIELD CLIFF, WE LIVE IN SOUTHWEST HILL, CLIFF, YOU KNOW, NORTH OAK CLIFF.
IT'S BECOMING MORE DENSE ON A DAILY BASIS.
IT'S ME AND DOWNTOWN HAS ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF RESIDENTS MOVING DOWNTOWN.
SO THE ISSUES WE'RE GONNA FACE IN WATER, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO BE ISSUES SUCH AS THIS, MORE STRESS PUT ON INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE, WHICH MEANS MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO NEED TO BE INFORMED, TO MAKE SURE OUR WATER IS HEALTHY.
AND DW HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OVER MANY YEARS OF MAKING SURE WE HAVE SAFE, CLEAN WATER.
BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A LONG, HARD LOOK AT A CITY OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW WE USE OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOW WE REPLACE IT AND REPAIR IT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE SITUATIONS LIKE THIS HAS
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BEEN POINTED OUT.THAT'S THE TRUMAN ADMINISTRATION.
HARRY TRUMAN WAS, ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS BORN IN 1951.
AND THAT'S OLD INFRASTRUCTURE.
A LOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN YEARS OLD.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS AS A LARGE ISSUE.
THE NUMBER WAYS, EVERYTHING FROM THE TREES THAT ARE, ARE DEAD NOW TO HOPEFULLY WE GET NATIVE PLANTS TO COME BACK IN THERE AND VET SOIL.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ALL THOSE INVASIVES TO GO IN.
WE DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT DW WENT OUT WAY.
WE'VE GOT BIGGER ISSUES TO ADDRESS.
SO I HOPE IT WILL TAKE THIS ONE INSTANCE AND LOOK AT THE BIGGER ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AS A CITY AND AS A STATE.
AND I TELL ON THE STATE LEVEL, WE ARE DOING THAT.
WE'RE LOOKING AT WATER INFRASTRUCTURE VERY DEEPLY NOW ACROSS THE STATEWIDE LEVEL, BUT WE NEED TO DO IT AS A CITY LEVEL AS WELL.
SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE USE THIS INSTANCE AS A WAY TO LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE OUR WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
WITH REGARD TO AN INCIDENT LIKE THIS WHERE WE, WE ARE IN VERY ACTIVE SOIL AREA, VERY CLAY BASED.
I BET NIGHT WE, WE GET WATERLINE CRACKS WHEN THERE'S DIFFERENTIATION AND MOISTURE LEVELS IN THE SOIL.
UM, ARE, DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA WITH REGARD TO THE FACT WITH AN AGING PIPELINE, LIKE A 70 YEAR OLD PIPELINE OR 50 YEAR OLD PIPELINE? IS THERE A WAY TO TRACK IN THE SYSTEM WHERE, AND HOW YOU'RE MONITORING THE SYSTEM WITH REGARD TO PREDICT, MAYBE I'M NOT SAYING PREDICTING WHERE CRACKS COULD BE, BUT THAT IS A, THAT THAT IS A FLOOD BASIN THAT'S HIGHLY EXPANSIVE AND GOOD TRACKING SOIL AND IT, AND THERE ARE GONNA BE CRACKS THAT APPEAR THAT WE, WE KNOW THAT FOR A FACT.
AND, AND, AND IN TERMS OF TRACKING THE CRACKS AND THE LINES THAT YOU'VE OBSERVED, IS THERE A PATTERN THAT YOU'VE OBSERVED OVER THE YEARS? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.
UM, I JUST WANNA, UH, NOW SHARE OUR EXPERIENCES.
IN 2004, 2005, WATER DISTRIBUTION INTRODUCED A NEW LEAK DETECTION PROGRAM.
AND WHEN WE STARTED, AND I'M SORRY I LOVE NUMBERS, BUT WHEN WE STARTED THE FIRST YEAR, THEY INSPECTED 479 MILES OF LINE.
AND THAT YEAR WE HAD 1,907 MAIN BREAKS THE FOLLOWING YEAR, IT MUST HAVE BEEN IN OH 5, 0 6 RECORD DRIVE YEAR BECAUSE WE HAD 2,794 MAIN BREAKS.
UH, NOW BACK TO 2023, WE WENT FROM INSPECTING 400 PLUS MILES OF FLYING TO INSPECTING THIS YEAR OVER 3000, 3,327.
SO WE INSPECT, AND I, I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID, EVERYTHING BUILT 20 INCHES WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE.
WE HAVE OUR OWN STAFF AND WE INSPECT OVER 70% OF THE 5,000 MILES EVERY YEAR.
AND WE WENT FROM THAT 2,700 MAIN BREAKS IN 2005 TO THIS YEAR, 903.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE TRYING MM-HMM.
IF NOT, IF IT'S BIG, THEN WE TURN IT OVER TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
WE SPEND OVER A HUNDRED MILLION A YEAR ON THE PIPELINES.
YOU KNOW, SO, AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, WE HAVE, UH, MORE PEOPLE MOVING IN, ESPECIALLY ON THE GROWTH IN THE SOUTH.
UH, THE POAGE IS INCREASING THIS YEAR.
WE, UH, SET A NEW, UH, RECORD, AVERAGE RECORD, UH, HIGH OF $685 MILLION, AND THEN ONE DAY MM-HMM.
UH, SO, UH, YES, UH, THE DEMANDS ARE INCREASING AND, YOU KNOW, WE, WE APPRECIATE IT.
WE CAN HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND
WELL,
AND
BUT AT THE END OF THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, UH, IF WE CAN IDENTIFY PATTERNS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I KNOW IF, I'M JUST CURIOUS 'CAUSE I KNOW 2015 WAS A HORRIBLE HEAVY RAINFALL YEAR.
DO WE SEE MORE CRACKS AFTER THESE HEAVY RAIN YEARS? IS THAT, IS THAT A PATTERN? UH, WE ARE, UH, I LOVE IT BECAUSE WE ARE DECREASING EVERY YEAR.
I KNOW AT WHAT, WHAT POINT WE WILL
AND I THINK IS BECAUSE WE ARE PROACTIVE ON THE LEAK DETECTION SIDE ALSO MM-HMM.
AND WE HAVE A FORMULA OF LIKE 10 NUMBERS SLIDE IN, AND IF IT HAS SO MANY BREAKS
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OVER A HUNDRED MILES, WE TURN IT OVER FOR REPLACEMENT.SO IT BREAKS AND THEN IF YOU HAVE FREEZING, IT BREAKS.
SO YEAH, IF THERE'S A HEAVY MOISTURE CONTENT IN THE SOIL WHEN THE FREEZE OCCURS, SO THAT I KNOW THAT'S ALL, IT'S ALL KINDA WEATHER RELATED WHEN THESE BREAKS OCCUR.
SO, UH, UH, JUST BASED ON RAINFALL PATTERNS, HISTORICALLY, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE, AND I'M SURE STATISTICALLY IT WOULD PROVE OUT THAT YOU'RE HAVING MORE BREAKS.
WE HAVE BUNCH OF DATA IF YOU WANT BUNCH HOURS.
I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SHARE.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MURRAY.
WHEN YOU GO IN AND YOU FIX A LEAK OUTTA CURIOSITY, SO ALL THESE LINES ARE REALLY OLD.
ARE YOU LOOKING, I'M GONNA ASSUME YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'VE EXPOSED.
YOU'RE DIGGING DOWN EIGHT FEET, YOU'RE EXPOSING A LOT OF PIPE.
IS ALL OF IT BEING REPLACED? AND WHEN YOU GO IN AND REPLACE IT, ARE YOU REPLACING IT WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS A LIFESPAN OR BEHAVES DIFFERENTLY? MM-HMM.
BUT THEN WE HAVE A CRACK ALSO, SO WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE STICK OF PIPE.
IT'S SEEDED 12 FEET OR 20 FEET OF PIPE THAT WE REPLACED.
SO SOME OF IT CANNOT BE PATCHED.
UM, YOU SAID THIS PIPELINE SERVES TWO CUSTOMERS.
WHO ARE THOSE CUSTOMERS? OH, ONE IS RESIDENTIAL AND ONE WAS LIKE A DART, UM, BUILDING THERE.
BUT I THINK IT WAS, UM, UNMANNED POSSIBILITY.
UM, 11 MONTHS WENT BY FROM OCTOBER TO SEPTEMBER, UM, UNTIL THE INSPECTION WAS SCHEDULED.
IS THAT TYPICAL? UH, WELL, WE HAD, IN THIS INSTANCE, WE HAD THE LECTURE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY ISOLATE THE LINE.
OTHERWISE, NO, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TYPICAL.
WHAT'S THE TYPICAL RESPONSE TIME? UH, THE AVERAGE, ONCE AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA, WELL MAKE UP THE NUMBERS, BUT THE AVERAGE LIFE OF THE BREAK IS ABOUT A LEAK OR BREAK IS, UH, 10 DAYS LEAK.
PROBABLY 10 DAYS BREAK IS IMMEDIATELY, I JUST WANNA SAY BREAK.
IF THERE'S A BREAK, YOU SEE IT BECAUSE THIS PRESSURE LINE IS LIKE A, CAN YOU GET BACK TO ME WITH A FIRM NUMBER ON THAT? I THINK YOU SAID MAKE UP THE NUMBER, BUT MAYBE YOU MEANT YES.
'CAUSE OVER THE SUMMER WE HAVE MORE BREAK.
I'LL GIVE YOU THE MONTHLY AVERAGES.
UM, I HAVE SOME REAL CONCERNS AS WELL THAT, UM, WE HAVE A RESIDENT WHO I KNOW, UH, I'VE WORKED WITH I TRUST, WHO SAYS THAT HE REPORTED THIS ISSUE WAY BEFORE OCTOBER AND FLAGGED IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
AND AS WE HEARD IN THE COMMENTS TONIGHT, FELT AS THOUGH CITY STAFF TO TURN THEIR BACK ON THIS ISSUE.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE TO STOP TREATING WATER AS THOUGH IT IS NOT A FINITE RESOURCE.
IT VERY MUCH IS, UM, WITH, WITH A LINE THIS, THIS LARGE, WHY IS IT UNMETERED? NONE OF THE TRANSMISSION LINES ARE METERED.
WE, UH, MEASURE IT WHEN IT, YOU KNOW, GETS TO THE CUSTOMER METER WALL, AND WE MEASURE IT AT THE, WHEN IT EXITS THE, WE HAVE THREE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS.
SO WHEN THIS WATER DID NOT ARRIVE TO THE CUSTOMER, HOW, HOW, HOW ARE, HOW ARE LEAKS THIS LARGE NOTICED IF YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT METERING THEM AND, AND YOU DON'T SEE IT UNTIL IT GOES TO THE CUSTOMER AND THEN COMES BACK TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED OTHER LEAKS JUST LIKE THIS, THAT ARE PUTTING OUT A MILLION AND SOME ODD GALLONS OF, OF WATER, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
UM, UM, WE HAVE, UH, WE DO CALCULATE THE ON REVENUE METER OR UN REVENUE WATER.
AND, UH, ANY LARGE UTILITY HAS WATER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LOST AND, UH, P C Q,
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UH, IT'S, UH, ASKING US TO KEEP THE WATER LOSS TO 10% OR UNDER WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE BEEN ABLE TO DO.AND, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, PART OF THE UNMETERED WATER LOSS IS MAINTAINING THE WATER QUALITY IN THE SYSTEM.
WE ARE REQUIRED BY P C Q EVERY TIME THERE'S A THAT AND MAIN TO INSTALL A OUTDOOR PLUSHER.
IF CUSTOMERS COMPLAIN, WE START WASHING.
SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE, I HAVE THE NUMBERS.
YOU MIGHT NOT BE INTERESTED, BUT, UH, I'M, I'M VERY INTERESTED TO, TO SEE HOW MANY UNMETERED GALLONS, UM, OF WATER OR, OR HOW MANY GALLONS OF WATER DID WE LOSE IN 2022 MONTHLY, JUST FOR THE DEAD END WASHING AND THE WATER QUALITY FLUSHING THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO.
IT'S PROBABLY 50 MILLION GALLONS ON AVERAGE A MONTH.
CAN I, CAN I, NO, IT'S NOT, PROBABLY IT'S ON AVERAGE.
AND THEN, UH, THE OVERALL, I, I WILL PROVIDE THE NUMBERS, BUT, UH, BECAUSE WE ALSO ARE REQUIRED TO PUT OUR RED WIRES, RIGHT, SO THE WIRE STRIPES OR THE ELEVATED STORAGE, THEN THE UNDERGROUND.
SO THINGS WE HAVE TO EMPTY THEM AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR AND, UH, CLEAN THEM, YOU KNOW, SO THIS IS ALL, UH, UH, WATER THAT IS NOT BEING SOLD, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, UH, COULD WE GET MAYBE FIVE OR 10 YEARS OF DATA ON HOW MUCH WASTED WATER, UM, THE CITY HAS HAS LOST.
UH, IT'S, IT'S PART OF THE MAINTENANCE PROCESS.
HOW MUCH WATER HAS THE CITY LOST OVER, LET'S SAY 10 YEARS? CAN WE GET THOSE NUMBERS IN MILLIONS OF GALLONS? YEAH.
UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST WANT TO NOT LEAVE HERE TONIGHT WITHOUT REITERATING THAT AS A COMMISSION, WE ADVOCATE TO OUR, UH, OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITIES THAT THEY UTILIZE THE THREE ONE ONE SYSTEM.
WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO START A SERVICE REQUEST FOR YOU? I WILL PUT THE 3 1 1 TICKET IN AND THEN I'LL UPDATE YOU WHEN IT'S BEEN UPDATED, AND I GET AN EMAIL.
OUR COMMISSIONERS RUN 3 1 1 TICKETS ALL WEEK LONG, ALL MONTH LONG.
THAT IS HOW OUR CITY IS ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF AND ACCOUNTA AND IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE WAY THAT THEY ARE OR ARE NOT RESPONDING.
AND IT'S CONCERNING TO ME THAT WE HAVE, AGAIN, AN ISSUE LIKE THIS 3 MILLION, 3.6 MILLION GALLONS.
AGAIN, CONSERVATIVE PROBABLY THAT WAS REPORTED THROUGH 3 1 1, BUT THAT WE DID NOT GET A RESPONSE TO.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT AS THE COMMISSION AND AS RESIDENTS, WE EXPECT THAT THE 3 1 1 SYSTEM WILL OPERATE EXACTLY HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO OPERATE, AND THAT OUR CONCERNS AND OUR SERVICE REQUESTS ARE GOING TO BE PROMPTLY RESPONDED TO WITHIN THE TIMEFRAME.
THAT'S, THAT'S INDICATED IN THE SERVICE REQUEST.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE RECEIVE 3 1 1 REQUESTS DAILY.
UH, WE ALSO DO LINE LOCATES FOR ALL THE 3 1 1 THAT CONTRACTORS, YOU KNOW, FALL IN.
UH, WE JUST, UH, I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE EXCUSES, BUT WE DIDN'T GET THAT REQUEST FROM 3 1 1.
IT NEVER MADE IT TO DALLAS WATER UTILITIES, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO REASON FOR US NOT TO RESPOND.
AND I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE HAD PERSONAL INSTANCES WHERE I'VE PUT IN A 3 1 1 TICKET FOR ONE THING, AND IT HAPPENED TO BE ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
AND SO INSTEAD OF ROUTING IT, THEY CLOSED IT.
BUT I THINK THAT, THAT THIS COMPLAINT, IF I HEARD OUR COMMENTER CORRECTLY, WAS VERBALIZED TO CITY STAFF AS WELL.
AND SO I JUST WANNA REITERATE OUR COMMITMENT TO RESPONDING TO THOSE CONCERNS IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT WE AS A DALLAS WATER, YOU PUT THE DEPARTMENT, DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CONSERV WATER ALSO, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE OUTDOOR ERS, WE ARE TRYING TO WORK WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO STOP PERMITTING DEAD ENDS AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
UH, WE ALSO IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY SIGNIFICANTLY, SO WE ELIMINATED LIKE 50 OF THOSE OTHER FLUSHERS LAST YEAR.
SO WE ARE TRYING, YOU KNOW, TO SAVE WATER.
AND I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU JOINING US THIS EVENING AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR LAST, UH, BRIEFING ITEM THIS EVENING.
WE ARE GONNA HEAR THE COMMUNITY, UH, ENGAGEMENT PLAN FOR OUR SOLAR SIDING STUDY.
UM, AND WITH US THIS EVENING, WE HAVE, UH, ROSA, LINDA, ROS, AND SHE WILL INTRODUCE THE REST OF OUR GUESTS.
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GO AHEAD WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.MY NAME IS ROSARO AND I'M A CLIMATE COORDINATOR COORDINATOR WITH THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.
I'M JOINED BY, UH, BY OUR CONSULTANTS CASSIDY ELLIS WITH ACO AND JENNIFER CRAIGER WITH TARA LUNA.
TODAY WE WILL BE INTRODUCING O EQ S'S SOLAR SITING STUDY, AND THEN PRIMARILY EXPAND ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PORTION OF THE STUDY.
SO WE WILL START OFF BY SHARING HOW THIS STUDY ADVANCES THE GAP IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE TWO SOLAR DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING.
THOSE TWO ARE COMMUNITY SOLAR INSTALLATIONS, AND THEN ALSO, UH, BUILDING SERVING SOLAR INSTALLATIONS.
UM, WE'RE GONNA FOLLOW THAT WITH AN INTRODUCTION TO THE KEY ELEMENTS OF OUR SOLAR SIDING STUDY.
THEN WE'LL EXPAND ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN THAT'S SPECIFICALLY, UH, DEVELOPED FOR, FOR THIS STUDY.
AND THAT INCLUDES, UM, A SOLAR ENERGY COMMUNITY SURVEY, COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND INCLUSION OF KEY STAKEHOLDERS.
THEN WE'LL WRAP UP THE PRE PRESENTATION WITH THE, WITH SEVERAL NEXT STEPS.
SO O E Q S'S ONGOING SOLAR STUDY INTERSECTS WITH THE CCAP GOAL NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS DALLAS GENERATES AND USES RENEWABLE, RELIABLE AND AFFORDABLE ENERGY.
UM, WITH THIS STUDY, WE HAVE ACTIVATED ONE OF OUR ACTIONS AND IMPLEMENTED TWO MILESTONES FROM FISCAL YEAR 20 THREE'S, CCAP IMPLEMENTATION WORK PLAN.
THE GOALS OF THESE TWO MILESTONES ARE TO ONE, CONDUCT A SOLAR SITING LOCATION, INVENTORY AND EVALUATION STUDY.
AND TWO, TO WORK WITH STAKEHOLDERS TO ADVANCE OQ S'S SOLAR FARM EFFORTS.
I'LL PASS IT OVER TO CASSIDY ELLIS.
THANK YOU COMMISSION FOR HAVING US THIS EVENING.
WE'RE THE PRIME PRIME CONSULTANT FOR THE SOLAR SIDING STUDY.
I'M JOINED THIS EVENING WITH, UH, BY JEN KRIEGER, WITH TARA LUMINA, WHO YOU'RE GONNA HEAR FROM.
UM, IN A SECOND, I ALSO WANNA ACKNOWLEDGE A COUPLE OF OUR COLLEAGUES IN THE, UM, AUDIENCE.
JAMES ORENSTEIN FROM TRINITY RIVER SOLAR.
OUR COMMUNITY SOLAR SYSTEMS HAS JOINED US AND HE IS ALSO A CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
THERE BEEN ANOTHER COLLEAGUE OF JEN'S IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE.
SO AS ROSA MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES ACROSS THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, PROPERTY PORTFOLIO FOR TWO PRIMARY TYPES OF SOLAR OPPORTUNITIES.
ONE BEING, BUILDING, SERVING SOLAR.
THAT IS WHERE THERE IS A SOLAR ARRAY THAT IS DIRECTLY TIED, PHYSICALLY TIED TO A BUILDING, AND IT IS DIRECTLY OFFSETTING, OFFSETTING THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION OF THAT FACILITY DIRECTLY IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES AND IN SOME, UM, REGULATORY ENVIRONMENTS THAT, UH, SOLAR ARRAY CAN ALSO OFFSET ADDITIONAL PURCHASES BEYOND KIND OF THE INSTANTANEOUS, UH, GENERATION OF SOLAR.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT SOLAR FOR POTENTIAL FOR COMMUNITY SERVING OR COMMUNITY SOLAR.
THIS MEANS THAT THERE IS A LARGER, UM, TYPICALLY LARGER ARRAY, UM, THAT IS, UH, CENTRALIZED AND INDIVIDUALS CAN PURCHASE, UM, SUBSCRIPTIONS TO THAT COMMUNITY SOLAR ARRAY.
UM, MEANING THEY BUY A PORTION OF THE ELECTRICITY GENERATED.
THOSE SUBSCRIPTIONS MAY BE EQUAL TO THEIR MARKET RATE.
IT MAY BE LESS, IT MAY BE MORE.
AND TYPICALLY COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAMS ARE OPERATED IN A CENTRALIZED OR ORGANIZED FASHION IN TEXAS.
THERE NOT, IS NOT AN ORGANIZED PROGRAM AROUND COMMUNITY SOLAR.
SO OUR SITING STUDY IS DIVIDED INTO FOUR PHASES.
WE RESTRUCTURED IT AROUND FOUR PHASES.
UM, PHASE ONE IS TAKING THE MANY HUNDREDS OF DALLAS PROPERTIES AND EVALUATING THEM FOR TECHNICAL AND ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY.
AND THEN LOOKING AT SOME OF, UH, SOME OTHER STACKED BENEFITS OR STACKED PRIORITIES, UM, INCLUDED IN THE CCAP TO ULTIMATELY IDENTIFY 10 PRIORITY SITES.
PHASE TWO ACTUALLY CROSS CUTS, UM, ALL OF THE REMAINING PHASES OR THE, ALL OF THE OTHER THREE PHASES.
AND, UM, YOU'LL HEAR, UH, A BIT MORE ABOUT THAT FROM JEN IN A MOMENT.
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THAT IS OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PIECE, WHICH INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN ENGAGEMENT PLAN, THE SURVEY COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, TOWN HALLS THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT.PHASE THREE IS WE WILL TAKE A DEEP DIVE ON THOSE 10 PRIORITY SITES.
WE WILL DEVELOP, UM, BID READY DESIGNS FOR THOSE SITE, FOR THE SOLAR ARRAYS ON THOSE SITES.
UM, WE WILL EVALUATE ECOLOGICAL IMPACT, THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY OF THOSE SITES.
UM, AND WE WILL DEVELOP FI ACTUAL FINANCIAL, UM, ANALYSIS OF THOSE POTENTIAL, UH, DEVELOPMENTS ON THOSE SITES.
AND THEN PHASE FOUR IS ULTIMATELY THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE REPORT, INCLUDING, UM, REPORTING ON OUR FINDINGS ON THE, UH, ON THE PRIORITY SITES AND DELIVERING A FINAL STUDY.
TODAY WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF REALLY VALUABLE AND INSIGHTFUL CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY OF DALLAS DEPARTMENTS.
INCLUDED AMONGST THOSE, UM, BUILDING SERVICES HAS BEEN A KEY, UH, PARTNER IN THIS PROCESS.
PARKS AND RECREATION HAS BEEN A KEY STAKEHOLDER.
WE'VE ALSO SPOKEN WITH, AS YOU CAN SEE, SANITATION SERVICES, EQUIPMENT AND FLEET MANAGEMENT, HOUSING INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN, LIBRARIES AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND FIRE RESCUE.
UM, MANY OF THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PROPERTIES IN THEIR PORTFOLIO THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED AND LOOKED AT.
SOME OF THESE ARE JUST PROVIDING US, UM, KIND OF CONTEXT ON, UH, THE PROCESS OF SOLAR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, WE HAVE A FEW, UH, PENDING CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE KEY TO OUR NEXT STEPS, INCLUDING, UM, A CONVERSATION WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES AS DALLAS WATER UTILITY PROPERTIES ARE, UM, POTENTIALLY A, UH, A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE, OF THE POTENTIAL FOR ALIS, UM, FAIR PARK IS, IS ALSO A, UM, LOCATION THAT HAS EMERGED AS, YOU KNOW, A SITE THAT WE NEED TO PUT SERIOUS CONSIDERATION INTO.
BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE SOME SHIFTING, UM, POTENTIAL USES OF, UH, FAIR PARK ASSOCIATED WITH THE WORLD CUP AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS.
SO WE'RE, UM, IN THE PROCESS OF SETTING UP THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL AS A D P D CONVERSATION.
UM, THIS O THIS OVERALL PROJECT, OF COURSE, UM, IS WITH, UH, THE OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY.
UM, BUT WE VERY MUCH, UM, LOOK, YOU KNOW, ARE GUIDED BY THE FEEDBACK OF THIS COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL PARKS TRAIL AND ENVIRONMENTAL EQUITY.
SO, UM, WE ARE STILL, WE ARE IN THE LATER PHASES OF THE PHASE ONE OF OUR ASSESSMENT, WHICH I WENT OVER AND UH, A FEW MINUTES AGO.
AND THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT FACTORS THAT WE'VE BEEN USING TO TAKE MANY HUNDREDS OF PROPERTIES DOWN TO 10 PROPERTIES.
UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR SITES THAT ARE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
THERE IS AVAILABLE SPACE, THERE IS SUFFICIENT, UM, BUILDING LOAD FOR THOSE BUILDING SERVING SITES.
UM, IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT, UH, THERE IS A, A DESIRE TO PRESERVE TREE CANOPY AND OPEN SPACE.
WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE FUTURE USE OF THOSE SITES AND IF IT IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN, UM, A CITY OF DALLAS PROPERTY OR CHANGE USE IN ANY WAY.
UM, WE WERE ALSO GIVEN THE DIRECTION EARLY ON IN THE STUDY THAT SOLAR PARKING CANOPIES SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS ANALYSIS.
UM, THIS WAS FEEDBACK THROUGH, UH, THROUGH CITY STAFF, UM, TO, UH, PRIORITIZE ROOFTOP AND GROUND MOUNT, BUT NOT INCENTIVIZED PARKING OR NOT INCORPORATE PARKING CAMPUS.
UM, SOME OTHER KEY FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THOSE INTERNAL, UM, UH, DEPARTMENTAL MEETINGS, UM, ARE AGAIN TO PRESERVE SPACE, UH, CURRENTLY USED FOR RECREATION AND HABITAT.
UM, WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME PARCELS THAT MIGHT BE POTENTIALLY SLATED FOR SALE OR FOR THE BOND, UM, PACKAGE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME PARCELS THAT MAY BE APPEARED INITIALLY VIABLE THAT ARE NOT ACTUALLY, UM, VIABLE BECAUSE THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE BECOMING AWARE OF ON THE SITE.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, DALLAS WATER PARCELS, UM, OFFER A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY.
UM, WE ARE EXPECTING THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM, UM, TO BE VERY INFORMATIVE.
UM, BUT A NUMBER OF THOSE SITES ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, UH, CITY LIMITS.
AND SO WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF CITY OF DALLAS CITY LIMITS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS STUDY IF THEY ARE CITY OF DALLAS PROPERTIES.
SO FROM HERE, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO JEN KRIEGER TO SPEAK TO THE SPECIFICS OF OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PLAN.
HELLO, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, AGAIN, MY NAME IS JEN KRIEGER.
I'M WITH TERRA ILLUMINA CONSULTING.
I'M ONE OF THE SUB CONSULTANTS WORKING ON THIS PROJECT.
UM, TERRA ILLUMINA IS A SMALL WOMAN-OWNED BUSINESS.
WE ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT FOCUSED ON WORKING WITH GOVERNMENTS AND NONPROFITS AND SMALL BUSINESSES TO PARTICIPATE IN EQUITABLE SOLUTIONS
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TO THE CLIMATE CRISIS.SO WE SPEND A LOT OF TIMES ENGAGING WITH LOCAL COMMUNITIES ON, UM, CREATING AND THEN IMPLEMENTING THEIR CLIMATE ACTION PLANS.
SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT.
UM, I'M GONNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU TONIGHT ABOUT OUR APPROACH TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, AND ASK FOR YOUR HELP AS WELL, GETTING THE WORD OUT FOR SOME OF THE ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE COMING UP.
SO, UM, IN GENERAL, WE ARE SEEKING A COMBINATION OF VERY BROAD AND RATHER TARGETED FEEDBACK.
SO WE'RE LOOKING, UM, TO ENGAGE WITH RESIDENTS FROM ALL ACROSS THE CITY, UH, TO HEAR ABOUT THEIR PREFERENCES AND IDEAS FOR MEETING THE COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AND CLIMATE ACTION PLAN GOALS SPECIFICALLY ATTACHED TO RENEWABLE ENERGY AND SOLAR EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY.
AND THEN TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE TARGETED FEEDBACK, WE ARE HOPING TO HOLD SOME EVENTS AND INTERACT WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE SPECIFICALLY, EITHER THEY LIVE OR THEY WORK OR THEY PLAY IN THE AREAS, THE NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING.
SOME OF THE PROPOSED, UM, SITES WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT SOME OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY SERVING SOLAR ARRAYS.
SO CASSIE WAS MENTIONING EARLIER IS KIND OF A DISTINCTION BETWEEN SOLAR PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE, UM, JUST ENOUGH SOLAR PANELS TO BASICALLY MEET SOME PERCENT OR ALL OF A BUILDING'S ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION.
SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THOSE BUILDING SERVING PROJECTS.
THEY'RE TYPICALLY A LITTLE SMALLER.
THEY MAY BE LESS VISIBLE, THEY MAY BE UP ON THE ROOF WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN'T SEE IT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER PIECE, WHICH ARE SOME OF THESE LARGER PROJECTS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE LOCATED ON THE GROUNDS.
THEY WOULD BE LARGER AND THEREFORE MORE VISIBLE, MORE AT EYE LEVEL.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WOULD PRODUCE ENOUGH SOLAR ELECTRICITY THAT THEY COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY SERVE, UM, CUSTOMERS THAT WANTED TO SIGN UP FOR SOME OF THOSE COMMUNITY SOLAR SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT CASSIDY WAS EXPLAINING.
SO IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE THOSE SITES ARE LARGER AND MORE VISIBLE FOR THE COMMUNITY SOLAR PROJECTS, WE'RE WANTING TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD VIEW THOSE AND POTENTIALLY INTERACT WITH THOSE.
WE'RE ALSO HOPING TO GET SOME MORE TARGETED FEEDBACK, SPECIFICALLY FROM LOW AND MODERATE INCOME CUSTOMERS WHO MAY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PARTICIPATE IN A SOLAR COMMUNITY, SOLAR SUBSCRIPTION, HOPEFULLY AT A REDUCED RATE.
UM, SO THAT THERE'S SOME COST SAVINGS BENEFIT.
IN ADDITION TO BEING ABLE TO POWER THEIR, THEIR HOMES WITH CLEAN SOLAR ENERGY, UM, WE HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ALIGN OUR APPROACH WITH THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STYLE AND PRINCIPLES THAT OFFICE OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND SUSTAINABILITY DEVELOPED IN PUTTING TOGETHER THE CCAP.
UM, SO I, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT FOR ME, THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT PRINCIPLES THAT THE CITY HAS LAID OUT FOR HOW THEY WANT TO ENGAGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THERE IS ONE ON THERE ABOUT SPARK NEW JOY.
SO THAT, FOR ME PERSONALLY, IS THE PRINCIPLE THAT I AM LATCHING ONTO AND REALLY HOPING THAT WE DESIGN INTO, UM, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE, IS THAT WE'RE MAKING IT A JOYFUL EXPERIENCE, NOT ONLY FOR ALL OF US THAT ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THESE EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES, BUT ALSO FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT GET TO PARTICIPATE.
SO MORE SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE USED TO SEEING.
WE DO HAVE A SURVEY THAT'S UP AND RUNNING.
WE'RE GONNA SHARE A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BROAD PERSPECTIVE FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT SOLAR ENERGY OVERALL.
UM, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME MORE TARGETED LISTENING SESSIONS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING UP IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
WE'D REALLY LOVE YOUR HELP PROMOTING THOSE.
UM, AND THEN TOWARDS THE END OF THIS STUDY, ONCE WE PUT TOGETHER A DRAFT REPORT WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, UM, 10 SITES THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE CITY PRIORITIZES FOR SOLAR ENERGY DEVELOPMENT, BOTH TO SERVE THOSE CITY, CITY BUILDINGS AND OFFSET SOME OF THOSE OPERATIONAL COSTS AND ALSO TO SERVE COMMUNITY, UM, WE'RE HOPING WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE TWO TOWN HALLS TO, TO SHARE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND REFINE THOSE BEFORE WE MAKE, UM, THAT REPORT FINAL.
AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL BE PROVIDING CONTENT TO O E Q S TO HELP BUILD AWARENESS IN GENERAL EDUCATION, UM, AND AS WELL AS SUGGESTING SOME OTHER COMMUNITY EVENT EVENTS THAT MIGHT, UM, MAKE SENSE FOR US TO PARTICIPATE IN.
SO NEXT SLIDE, UH, DIVING INTO THE SURVEY A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
UM, SO THIS SURVEY, LIKE I SAID, WE, IT IS UP AND RUNNING.
WE ARE ABOUT TO DO, UH, A BIG PUSH TO PROMOTE THE SURVEY IN TANDEM WITH SOME COMMUNITY LISTING SESSIONS THAT WE HAVE COMING UP.
UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THIS SURVEY LIVES ON, UM, THE DALLAS CLIMATE ACTION.COM WEBSITE, THE CCAP WEBSITE.
THERE'S A NEW PAGE ON THERE, UH, FOR THE SOLAR SURVEY.
THE SURVEY IS BROKEN INTO KIND OF THREE MAIN SECTIONS.
UM, WE ARE GENERALLY ASKING FOR RESIDENTS FEEDBACK ON, UH, KIND OF WHAT THEY THINK WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY NOT, WE'RE TRYING TO GAUGE THEIR AWARENESS LEVEL OF THE IDEA OF WHAT COMMUNITY SOLAR IS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN AS A SUBSCRIBER TO A COMMUNITY SOLAR PROGRAM.
OR EVEN POTENTIALLY IF THEY ARE A HIGHER RESOURCED, UM, HOUSEHOLD, IF MAYBE THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THEIR MONTHLY UTILITY BILL SO THEY CAN ESSENTIALLY BUY DOWN THE RATE FOR OTHER LOWER AND MODERATE INCOME PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE
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IN THOSE PROGRAMS. SO, A FEW QUESTIONS AROUND COMMUNITY SOLAR.WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS VERY SPECIFIC TO, UM, THESE BUILDING SERVING SOLAR PROJECTS THAT WOULD GO ON CITY FACILITIES TO MEET THEIR OPERATIONAL NEEDS.
UM, THOSE QUESTIONS ARE MORE ALIGNED WITH WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE PRIORITIZING IN TERMS OF DETERMINING WHERE TO CITE THOSE SOLAR ARRAYS TO OFFSET THE BUILDING'S ELECTRICITY CONSUMPTION? AND THEN WE START TO ASK SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF PUBLIC FACILITIES.
SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, FLEET SERVICE CENTERS AND WAREHOUSES, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY HALL, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, WE'RE ASKING, UH, RESPONDENTS TO KIND OF RESPOND FROM.
I FEEL VERY POSITIVELY ABOUT IT.
TO THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM WAS MAYBE LET'S RETHINK THAT.
I HAVE KIND OF A NEGATIVE REACTION TO THAT AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.
SO WE'LL USE THAT TO HELP PRIORITIZE THE SITES WE RECOMMEND TO DEVELOP FIRST.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO, BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE CCAP AND THERE ARE OTHER SOLAR ENERGY RELATED GOALS, BEYOND JUST PUTTING SOLAR PANELS ON CITY FACILITIES, WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS TO GET AT AWARENESS LEVEL, INTEREST IN, AND PARTICIPATION IN SOLAR FOR PEOPLE'S HOMES.
UM, WE DO HAVE THE SURVEY AVAILABLE IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH.
YOU SEE THE QR CODE UP HERE ON THE WEBSITE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE THOSE LINKS FOLLOWING THE MEETING AS WELL.
UM, AS I MENTIONED A FEW TIMES, WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE GOING OUT AND HOLDING SOME COMMUNITY MEETINGS AS WELL.
KIND OF BUCKETING THESE IN THREE MAIN CATEGORIES.
ONE IS WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER A HANDFUL OF LISTENING SESSIONS RIGHT NOW.
UM, WE'RE PLANNING TO HOLD THESE, UM, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH AND INTO NOVEMBER.
UM, THESE WILL BE A MIX OF IN-PERSON AND VIRTUAL, UH, EVENTS.
THESE, AGAIN, ARE GONNA BE KIND OF STRATEGICALLY CITED TO BE HELD IN PROXIMITY TO SOME OF THE POTENTIAL COMMUNITY SOLAR SITES THAT WILL BE MORE VISIBLE, SLIGHTLY LARGER, SO THAT WE'RE MAKING SURE WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AND FOLKS THAT, THAT SPEND TIME IN THOSE AREAS.
UM, AND THEN THERE'LL ALSO BE SOME, JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING GEOGRAPHIC DISPERSION ACROSS THE CITY AS WELL.
UM, THE TOWN HALLS JUST VERY QUICKLY, UM, IS AT THE END, I THINK I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, BUT ONCE WE HAVE OUR RECOMMENDED 10 SITES AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY FOR HOW TO KIND OF GO ABOUT DEVELOPING THOSE SITES, WE'LL COME BACK AND HOLD TWO MORE TOWN HALL MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE HOPING TO, TO BE INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY EVENTS THAT WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO LET US KNOW ABOUT.
AND ON THAT, JUST VERY LASTLY, UM, WE NEED LOTS OF HELP GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND ABOUT THE SURVEY AND ABOUT THESE EN ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS THAT WE'RE HAVING.
UM, WE WOULD REALLY, LIKE, YOU CAN GO TO THE, SORRY, PLEASE.
UM, WE'D REALLY LIKE YOUR HELP, UM, CONNECTING WITH THE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU REPRESENT, THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THAT YOU PARTICIPATE ON, THAT YOU LEAD, UM, AND, AND OTHER FOLKS THAT YOU MAY BE CONNECTED WITH.
SO AGAIN, WE'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, A SOCIAL MEDIA TOOLKIT.
WE MAY SHARE THAT OUT WITH YOU.
ASK IF YOU CAN SHARE IT WITH YOUR KIND OF PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL NETWORKS.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO ENGAGING WITH A LOT OF THE GROUPS THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE CCAP FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO KIND OF BUILD O EQ S'S LIST OF, UM, ORGANIZATIONS AND INDIVIDUALS THAT CARE ABOUT MAKING, YOU KNOW, CLIMATE ACT, TAKING CLIMATE ACTION IN DALLAS AND ENCOURAGING, UH, MORE WIDESPREAD SOLAR.
I'M GONNA HAND IT BACK TO CASSIDY TO CLOSE THAT.
AND JUST TO WRAP UP, TO GO OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR NEXT STEPS, UH, THROUGH THE END OF THE STUDY.
SO RIGHT NOW, UM, IN TANDEM WITH, UH, THE CONT THE COMMUN THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT WORK, WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS FINALIZING THOSE 10 PRIORITY SITES.
SO THOSE TWO, UH, EFFORTS ARE HAPPENING IN PARALLEL.
UM, WE WILL CONDUCT THE COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT OF THE PRIORITY SITES TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, AND THIS WILL INVOLVE ONSITE VISITS FROM OUR TEAM OF, UM, TECHNICAL EXPERTS.
UH, THE REPORT WILL BE DEVELOPED EARLY NEXT YEAR, AND FINAL PRESENTATION IS EXPECTED, UH, END OF JANUARY OR FEBRUARY NEXT YEAR.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE? DR.
WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A VERY NICE COMPREHENSIVE, UH, REPORT PICTURE OF WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
AND, UH, MY FIRST THING IS TO INVITE YOU ALL TO ATTEND WITH ME THE, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I, UH, I ATTEND THEIR BOARD MEETING PERIODICALLY TO TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND HAVE ACTUALLY BROUGHT, UH, SOME FOLKS WHO ARE INSTALLING SOLAR IN PRIVATE HOMES TO TALK WITH THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD.
UM, THE THING THAT STRIKES ME IS THAT YOU HAVE A VERY NICE PLAN HERE TO REACH OUT TO COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, BUT I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT FAITH-BASED INSTITUTIONS.
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I DON'T HEAR, UH, ANYTHING ABOUT, UH, PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS.FOR INSTANCE, REDBURN WALL IS BEING REDEVELOPED.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE SOLAR PANELS ON THE, ON FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE ON, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF THAT.
UM, AND, UM, ALSO, SOME OF OUR, UM, HEALTH INSTITUTIONS HAVE A SIGNIFICANT STAKE IN THE COMMUNITIES OF DALLAS, WHICH ARE MARGINALIZED AND HAVE PEOPLE NEED SERVICES.
I'M THINKING OF PARKLAND AND BARREL OR METHODIST, ALL OF WHICH HAVE CLINICS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHICH COULD BE USED AS DEVELOPMENT SITES FOR, UH, SOLAR.
SAME THING WITH THE FEDERALLY FUNDED COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS LIKE FOREMOST AND, UH, LOS BARIOS.
UM, SO I, SO I, I THINK THAT BROADENING THIS OUT TO THINK MORE ABOUT OUR EFFORTS TO BE, UM, TO BE RELATED TO PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP REALLY, UH, WOULD MAKE OUR EFFORTS EASIER AND BETTER.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE SUGGESTION THAT WE USE SOME OF THE MATERIALS.
I KNOW AS I'VE GONE THROUGH SOLAR IN MY HOUSE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE GOTTEN AS I'VE GOTTEN MORE AWARE OF IT IS, WELL, WHY DOES THAT HOUSE, WHEN NOBODY'S IN IT FOR HALF OF THE HALF OF THE DAY, WHY DOES IT NEED TO HAVE THE AIR CONDITIONING ON IT ALL? UM, BUT THAT BRINGS TO MIND WHETHER PEOPLE NEED A TOOLKIT AND A CHECKLIST THAT THEY CAN GO THROUGH AND THE SIMPLE THINGS THEY CAN DO WITHOUT MAKING A LOT OF PHYSICAL MODIFICATIONS, WHICH REALLY HELPS SAVE ENERGY.
I CAN'T HEAR ANY SPEAKERS RIGHT NOW REMOTELY.
I FORGOT TO PUSH THE, THE BUTTON AGAIN.
UM, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT, UH, REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, UM, THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT RELATED TO COMMUNITY SOLAR THAT I'LL LET CASSIDY SPEAK TO, UM, AND DEVELOPMENT OF THESE SOLAR SITES.
BUT, UH, IN TERMS OF GENERALLY THE SCOPE, THE SCOPE OF THIS STUDY IS SPECIFICALLY TO LOOK AT, UH, CITY OF DALLAS OWNED PROPERTIES.
THE SCOPE NEEDS TO BE BROADENED.
I, I WAS GONNA REITERATE THAT POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CITY AND THE COMMISSION, UM, SHOULD CONSIDER THIS A DOWN PAYMENT ON YOUR, UM, SOLAR POTENTIAL AS A CITY OVERALL.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE AND YOU HAVE TO START WITH, UM, DIGESTIBLE PIECES, UM, AND LOOKING AT THE CITY PORTFOLIO, FINDING REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITIES THAT REALLY SERVICE TEST CASES SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE THOSE TO YOUR OTHER, UM, BROAD NETWORK OF STAKEHOLDERS TO SHOW THAT SOLAR REALLY DOES HAVE A PLACE IN TEXAS AND THAT IT CAN WORK.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS REALLY A DOWN PAYMENT ON, ON THE FUTURE OF SOLAR IN THE REGION.
WE'RE GONNA GO TO CHAIR WALLACE, DR.
UM, SO, UH, I'M WONDERING WHY, IF I HEARD THIS RIGHT, WHY WE ARE MAKING LARGER INSTALLMENTS, ROUND MOUNTED AND SMALLER ONES ON THE ROOF.
UH, IS IT JUST FOR VISIBILITY? UM, AND, UH, AND IS THERE SOME EXPLANATION WHY WE DIDN'T WANNA DO PARKING STRUCTURES AS A BORN AND RAISED TEXAN? I'D APPRECIATE THE SHADE.
UH, BUT ANYHOW, I I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, WITH THESE LARGE EXPANSES OF ROOFTOPS THAT WE HAVE ON CITY OWNED BUILDINGS, WHY, UH, WE'RE FOCUSED ON LARGER GROUND MOUNTED ARRAYS, SO WE'RE NOT LIMITING THE SIZE OF ROOFTOP OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, WHEN WE'RE NOT STARTING WITH GROUND MOUNT, UM, UH, SPACING, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE AVAILABLE SPACE OF CITY PROPERTIES, UM, BOTH ON THE ROOF AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, THE SIZE OF THE ARRAY FOR THOSE BUILDING CITED SYSTEMS DOES NEED TO BE PAIRED WITH THE ENERGY CONSUMPTION OF THE BUILDING.
UM, TEXAS DOES NOT HAVE NET METERING, UM, WHICH MEANS THAT, UM, WHEN THE SOLAR IS GENERATING, YOU GET THAT DIRECT OFFSET WHEN IT IS NOT, WHEN YOU, WHEN THE BUILDING IS NOT USING ENERGY AND THAT SOLAR IS GENERATING AND GOING BACK ONTO THE GRID, THERE'S NOT A, UH, A BENEFIT OR THERE'S NOT A FINANCIAL BENEFIT TO THAT GENERATION AT IN THOSE MOMENTS.
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UM, AND SO WE LOOKED FOR, WE, WE LOOKED FOR SITES THAT HAD SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH LOAD AND SPACE, UM, AND IF THERE WAS ROOFTOP, IT WAS PUT ON THE ROOFTOP, IT WAS, THERE WAS A VIABLE GROUND MOUNT AREA, IT WAS PUT ON THE GROUND, UM, IN TERMS OF THE PARKING CANOPY DIRECTION, UM, IT WAS THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GIVEN, UM, FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE SCOPE, THE EXPLANATION THAT WE WERE GIVEN.AND, AND MAYBE O A P S WANTS TO RESPOND TO THAT.
SO AS FAR AS, EXCUSE ME, THE TREE CANOP BE, UM, IN OUR CCAP, UM, TRANSPORTATION GOAL, ONE OF THE MAIN KEYS IS THAT WE DO WANT TO REDUCE, UM, THE AMOUNT, INCREASE THE USE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND TRY TO STEER AWAY FROM THOSE SORTS OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND THEN REDUCE OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.
I CAN ADD TO THAT JUST KIND OF, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT I RECALL OF THE EARLIER CONVERSATIONS THAT, UM, THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THERE WOULD BE AN IMPRESSION THAT IF THE CITY WAS INVESTING IN NICE SHADED, QUITE EXPENSIVE SOLAR CANOPIES FOR SINGLE OCCUPANT VEHICLES, THAT IT, IT WOULD, UH, REINFORCE THE IMPRESSION THAT DALLAS IS A SINGLE OCCUPANT VEHICLE, UM, COMMUNITY.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION CHAIR? HMM.
KIND OF, UH, I JUST, UM, I HEAR THAT, UM, UH, CONCERN ON THE OPTICS.
I JUST, UH, AND, AND I THINK WHAT I HEAR, UH, CASSIDY SAYING IS THAT THE CARPORTS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL THAN, UM, ROOFTOP OR GROUND MOUNT AT SOLAR.
CHAIRWOMAN BEON, LOWER MY HAND.
UM, I'M GONNA START BY SAYING I'M SO EXCITED TO SEE THIS BITE SIZE CHUNK MOVING FORWARD, AND I DO AGREE THAT THIS IS JUST LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR EXPANDING SOLAR FOR ALL OF DALLAS RESIDENTS.
SO I'M REALLY EXCITED TO HEAR THIS PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND I DON'T WANNA TAKE ALL OF THE TIME, SO MAYBE I'LL ASK A FEW OF 'EM AND MAYBE CAN SEND FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS IF I'M TAKING TOO MUCH TIME.
UM, BUT THE FIRST ONE I THINK YOU ALREADY ANSWERED, YOU'RE WINNOWING DOWN TO 10 PRIORITY CITY OWNED SITES.
I WONDERED, UM, AND I'M GONNA LET YOU ANSWER AS I GO.
UH, IF THERE WAS A GOAL, WHETHER IT'S SYSTEM SIZE OR NUMBER OF SYSTEMS, UM, AS YOU'RE NARROWING DOWN THESE SITES.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PRIORITIES THAT WE ARE BALANCING IN THOSE, THE IDENTIFICATION OF THOSE SITES.
AND, AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, SOMETIMES THOSE PRIORITIES ARE NOT PERFECTLY UNLOCKED STEP WITH EACH OTHER.
WE DID START, UM, FOR THE BUILDING SERVICE SERVING SITES FROM A TECHNICAL FEASIBILITY AND AN ECONOMIC VIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, MEANING LOOKING AT THOSE INITIALLY FROM THE ANTICIPATED BUILDING LOAD AND THE POTENTIAL ECONOMIC OFFSET OF THE SOLAR ON THAT SITE.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, UH, LOOKING AT, UM, ON THE COMMUNITY SOLAR SIDE, REALLY, UH, AVOIDING ANY, UM, USE OF, UH, UH, HABITAT OR, UM, PROTECTED AREA, UM, AVOIDANCE OF ANY TREE CANOPY AND THEN PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS SUCH AS FLOODWAYS SLOPES, UM, UNUSABLE LAND, UM, THAT WAS KIND OF THE, HAS BEEN THE FIRST AND PRIMARY GUIDING PRINCIPLE IN THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE SITES.
MY QUESTION, I'M GONNA CLARIFY.
UM, I MEANT WAS THERE A MEGAWATT KILOWATT GOAL? UM, AN ACTUAL OH, OH YEAH, SURE.
UM, WE WERE NOT GIVEN A SPECIFIC GOAL TO HIT WITH THOSE 10 SITES, NO.
UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN PRIORITIZING, UH, FOR BUILDING THE, THE SIZE, YEAH, WE ARE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE SIZE.
IF IT'S OKAY WITH THE CHAIR, I'M GONNA KEEP GOING UNTIL I GET A CUTOFF.
LIKE YOU CAN
LET, LET, LET, WE'VE GOT A FEW MORE.
SO, UM, MAYBE TWO MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL TWO MORE.
SO, REALLY IMPORTANT, AND THIS WAS CHAIR WALLACE BROUGHT THIS UP, BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE BALANCE BETWEEN ECOSYSTEMS, OPEN SPACE AND IMPACT AND ROOFTOP OPPORTUNITIES.
WAS THERE ANY GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY OR ANY DEVELOPED INTERNAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS A PART OF THE PROCESS ABOUT SORT OF PERCENT? OR IS IT OPEN AT THIS POINT PERCENT OF THE SITES THAT MIGHT BE ROOFTOP VERSUS POTENTIAL OPEN SPACE? UM, GROUND MOUNT,
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SO ROOFTOPS WERE, HAVE BEEN OUR PRIORITY.WE ARE MAXIMIZING ROOFTOPS FIRST.
UM, IN, IN PLACES WHERE THERE IS GROUND MOUNT POTENTIAL, THERE HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN QUITE A FEW SITES THAT HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED BECAUSE THE SPACE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED FOR THE GROUND MOUNT WAS THAT WE RECEIVED INTERNAL DEPARTMENTAL FEEDBACK THAT THAT SHOULD NOT BE USED.
AND PARTICULARLY THOSE, UM, THAT WAS THE CASE OF PARKS SITES.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, OUR ANALYSIS PARKS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT SEEM LIKE A GOOD OPTION.
UM, AND OUR ANALYSIS KIND OF GRAVITATED THERE INITIALLY.
BUT IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, UM, PARKS HAVE SOME ROOF SPACE AND WE ARE LOOKING AT UP AT THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
BUT ANY GROUND MOUNT AT A PARK REALLY SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED BECAUSE THAT SPACE IS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND NOT ULA.
I'M GONNA MAKE TWO SUGGESTIONS AND ONE LAST QUESTION.
ONE IS, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHETHER IT'S CITY SPONSORED AS A PART OF THIS EFFORT, UM, A LANDING PAGE AS YOU'RE LAUNCHING THIS COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND EDUCATION COMPONENT SOMEPLACE WHERE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT, SO MAYBE THAT'S A QUESTION, BUT A PLACE ONLINE THAT FOLKS CAN GO TO SEE INFORMATION.
UM, AND THEN ALSO WOULD LOVE FOR, UM, THERE TO BE A POTENTIAL RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE AT LEAST AT ONE OF YOUR SITES, A DEMONSTRATION OF POLLINATOR FRIENDLY, JUST SORT OF BEST PRACTICES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S JUST AT ONE SITE, OF COURSE, ALL GROUND MOUNT SITES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, I DID WANNA END, END WITH ONE LAST QUESTION, WHICH IS, WHAT WAS THE PROCESS OR WHAT IS THE DATA THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING TO ESTABLISH, UM, WHETHER THERE'S AN ECO ECOSYSTEMS IMPACT ON ONE OF THESE SITES? AND I'M GONNA TURN MY, TURN MYSELF BACK ON MUTE.
UM, SO I, UH, MENTIONED A COUPLE OF OUR, UH, TEAMMATES AND MY INTRODUCTION, UM, BUT I FAILED TO MENTION A REALLY IMPORTANT TEAMMATE THAT WE HAVE ON BOARD IS BIO HABITATS.
THEY ARE, UM, A GROUP OF ECOLOGISTS THAT, UM, HAVE, ARE SPECIFICALLY IN, UH, ON THE TEAM TO EVALUATE THE ECOLOGICAL IMPACT OF, UM, ON THESE SITES.
SO, UM, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN, UH, KEY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE G I S ANALYSIS.
THEY HAVE THEIR IN-HOUSE G I S ANALYSIS, AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO OVERLAY, UM, UH, RARE ENDANGERED SPECIES, UH, CONSIDERATIONS.
THE TREE CANOPY, AS WE MENTIONED, UM, IT, WE KNEW GOING IN OBJECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ANECDOTALLY THAT THE TRINITY FOREST WAS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED, THE ARBORETUM WAS NOT TO BE CONSIDERED.
SO THERE WERE CERTAINLY, UM, A NUMBER OF SITES THAT WERE ELIMINATED BECAUSE OF, UM, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY OF THE LOCATION.
UM, SORRY I'M NOT THERE IN PERSON.
AND, UH, HI, ROSA CASSIDY, JEN AND JAMES.
IT'S NICE TO SEE THE BACK OF YOUR HEADS FROM WHERE MY CAMERA IS SEEING YOU.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CAMERA IS IN THIS ROOM, SO I YEAH, I'M BEHIND YOU.
I KNOW WHAT Y'ALL ALL LOOK LIKE, UM,
SO YEAH, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS AN AREA WHERE I HAVE, HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, ENGAGEMENT, SO GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT IT HERE WITH OUR WHOLE COMMISSION TONIGHT.
UM, I, I BELIEVE THAT LONG-TERM, WHAT'S LAID OUT HERE IN THE STUDY, UH, TOTALLY MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND BY THE WAY, TO COMMISSIONER WALLACE, YEAH, UH, UM, CANOPIES ARE MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE, UH, BUT THEY'RE GREAT.
IF YOU WERE GONNA DO JUST A SHADE STRUCTURE, THEN THEY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.
AND TO BARRY, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA GO TALK TO PETER BRODSKY.
SO THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER SUBJECT, GETTING THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO START IMPLEMENTING SOLAR.
AND I HOPE THAT WILL BECOME PART OF OUR MISSION HERE IS TO HELP ENABLE THAT.
SO, UM, BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL IS MASSIVE.
UM, AND NOW BACK TO THE STUDY, I THINK GETTING TO WHETHER IT'S 10 BUILDINGS OR 12 OR 37 FOR THE CITY ON CITY PROPERTY WHERE THE CITY IS IN CHARGE AND IT'S A BUILDING ROOFTOP.
THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT, THAT'S REALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD, IF THE STRUCTURE AND VARIOUS FACTORS ABOUT THE BUILDING WORK AND YOU'VE GOT A DECENT ROOF, UM, IT'S A GREEN LIGHT TO DO SOLAR AS FOLKS ON THE PANEL IN THE ROOM THERE KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT VERY COMPLICATED.
UH, THE THING THAT IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IN THIS PART OF TEXAS WHERE WE ARE DEREGULATED, UM, MEANING EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM THERE AND ME AND EVERYBODY ELSE VIRTUALLY, WE ALL PICK OUR OWN POWER COMPANY.
UM, WE, OUT OF THE TWO DOZEN OF US OR SO THAT ARE HERE, UM, WE MIGHT HAVE TWO DOZEN DIFFERENT POWER COMPANIES, UNLIKE AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO AND OTHER PARTS IN THE COUNTRY WHERE COMMUNITY SOLAR HAS TAKEN OFF, WHERE YOU HAVE A POWER COMPANY AND A CITY STRATEGY THAT CAN GET TO THE, TO THE
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UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY AND MAKE THIS HAPPEN, DELIVER IT, AND GET IT DONE.IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED IN OUR DEREGULATED MARKET HERE.
AND, AND I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE, THE, THE GUESTS HERE THIS EVENING ABOUT THIS.
SO I PERSONALLY BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE COULD ACTUALLY DO COMMUNITY SOLAR TO SERVE OUR UNDERSERVED NEIGHBORS, WHICH I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT HERE IN OUR PART OF THE STATE.
AGAIN, UNLIKE SAN ANTONIO WHO'S DONE THIS SUCCESSFULLY, UM, I THINK AUSTIN PERHAPS AS WELL.
SO PERSONALLY, I BELIEVE IN TERMS OF TIME AND MONEY AND PRIORITY AND IMPACT, I WOULD PUSH COMMUNITY SOLAR OUT UNTIL WE HAVE A REAL CLEAR PICTURE OF HOW WE CAN DO IT.
THEN WE CAN FIND THE SITES, DO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES, MAKE SURE THE COMMUNITY THAT WOULD BE ADJACENT FRONTLINE, UH, UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT AND IT'S LOW IMPACT AND IT'D BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
RIGHT NOW, I DON'T, UM, PERCEIVE A VALUE IN THE COMMUNITY SOLAR STUDY, UH, BECAUSE THE, THE, THE MEANS AND THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT AND REALLY, UH, INSTALL AND DELIVER TO THE INTENDED TARGET COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
UM, I'M NOT SURE WE ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT IN ANY EFFICIENT WAY.
AND IT WOULD BE ALL PRIVATE SECTOR RESOURCES THAT WOULD HAVE TO DO IT.
IT WOULDN'T BE THE CITY INVOLVED AT ALL, UNLIKE THE ROOFTOPS OF THE CITY BUILDINGS WHERE, UM, OBVIOUSLY THE CITY'S IN CHARGE AND CAN GET THAT DONE AND, AND, AND MOVE AHEAD.
SO, UM, I, I'M OPEN TO COMMENTS FROM THE PANEL BRIEFLY BECAUSE WE'RE CARRYING ON HERE, BUT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SHARE THAT PERSPECTIVE ABOUT COMMUNITY SOLAR BECAUSE, UM, UH, I THINK IT'S GOT SOME REAL LIMITATIONS TODAY, BUT LONG TERM, ABSOLUTELY.
IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR CITY.
SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LISTENING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS RIGHT NOW.
UM, YES, HE, HE MAKES VERY VALID POINTS ABOUT THE REALITY, THE REGULATORY AND POLICY ENVIRONMENT AND THE MARKET CONDITIONS IN TEXAS.
UM, AND, UH, WE, UM, ARE RESPONDING TO A SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, A SOLICITATION THAT INVOLVED THE SCOPE OF WORK AND DIRECTION FROM OUR CLIENTS.
UM, BUT COMMUNITY SOLAR IS, HAS A NUMBER OF VERY SUBSTANTIAL OBSTACLES IN, IN THE DEREGULATED ZONES OF TEXAS.
THANK YOU MR. MARTIN, FOR BRINGING THOSE POINTS.
UM, WHICH, WHICH YOU'VE BEEN UPFRONT ABOUT BEFORE, UM, I THINK RELEVANT IN THIS CONVERSATION, MR. MARQUIS, GO AHEAD.
IF, IF I'M, IF I MAY JUST ONE MORE COMMENT ON THAT, UM, CLARIFICATION ON THE DIRECTION IS NECESSARY ON THE COMMUNITY OF SOLAR VERSUS BUILDING SOLAR RIGHT NOW, WE ARE OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY VOTES.
UM, IF WE ARE NOT, WE DO NEED THAT DIRECTION AND CLARIFICATION.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
IT'S BEEN A, A LONG TIME COMING AHEAD, THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT SOLAR.
WE'RE IN A MEANINGFUL WAY, SO THANK YOU.
NUMBER ONE, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE EXPENSIVE PARKING CANOPIES, I'M GONNA SPEND THE MONEY TO HAVE FREE CANOPIES IN PARKING LOTS AND SPEND THE MONEY ON SOLAR IN A MORE EFFICIENT WAY.
SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT TEXAS NEEDS OUR TREES.
WELL, ANOTHER IS, WE DID STUDY SEVERAL YEARS AGO, IF YOU LOOKED AT WHO LONG LAND WHERE LANDS AVAILABLE, THAT'S NOT THE GREAT TRINITY FOREST TO OTHER PLACES.
DALLAS COLLEGE DISTRICT OWNS A LOT OF LAND COMMISSIONER
DALLAS COLLEGE OWNS A LOT OF LAND HOSPITAL DISTRICT OWNS LAND.
A LOT OF MAJOR LANDOWNERS HAVE LAND WHERE WE COULD, UM, DO SOME COMMUNITY FARMS, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DO PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THEM.
BUT THERE'S LAND IN DALLAS WHERE WE COULD DO SOLAR ON THE GROUND IN MEANINGFUL WAYS, ENOUGH ACRES TO DO THAT WITHOUT DESTROYING TREE C WE'RE DOING IN NATURAL DAMAGE.
SO LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD.
AND FOLKS, WE CAN APPROACH, WE HAVE
AND THEN ALSO WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND THAT FROM THE MARKETING POINT OF VIEW, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS BEING REGULATED, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS, SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL ABOUT THIS.
ONE THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT LONG TERM IS AGGREGATING CUSTOMERS.
THERE ARE A LOT OF ELECTRICITY CUSTOMERS IN NORTH TECH ALL OVER TEXAS.
SO IF WE CAN AGGREGATE LARGE NUMBERS OF CUSTOMERS TO BUY SOLAR ENERGY, WELL SUDDENLY WE HAVE A MARKET AND THEN WE HAVE MONEY TO WORK WITH THAT MAKES THE SCALE THESE PROJECTS WORKABLE, ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
SO INSTEAD OF ONE PERSON OR ANOTHER BUYING SOLAR, WHAT IF WE AGGREGATE LARGE NUMBERS
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OF CUSTOMERS OR HAVE A BUYER'S BASE? THEN THAT MAKES THE SCALE OF THIS AND THE ECONOMY THIS MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE AND MUCH MORE CAPABLE OF, OF MAKING SENSE IN THIS, THESE REGULAR MARKET.SO I THINK THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION, A REALLY GOOD BEGINNING.
CONGRATULATIONS, BUT I WON'T LOOK WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE THE CONVERSATION AS WE MOVE DOWN THIS PATH.
AND THE FOLKS UP HERE KNOW, AND, BUT WE'VE COME DOWN THE GREEN PATH FROM DALLAS FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS NOW.
SO I'M LOOKING 20 YEARS IN THE FUTURE.
WE NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO BE BUYING SOLAR ENERGY AND HOW WE PRODUCE THAT ENERGY, WHERE WE PRODUCE IT.
THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD IN THE FUTURE.
LET'S LOOK FURTHER IN THE FUTURE AND LOOK AT WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT TO MAKE THIS REAL AND ON A LARGE SCALE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT FEEDBACK.
UH, WE'RE GONNA GO MR. HOFFMAN, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WRAP UP THIS ITEM.
UM, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UH, I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE THIS BEGIN HAPPENING.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT, AND I WANT TO CON, I WANNA SUPPORT, UH, WHAT MICHAEL WAS DISCUSSING WITH REGARD TO THE COMMUNITY SOLAR.
I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IS SOME VISIBLE WINS AND, UM, HAVING VISIBLE WINS CAN CREATE A BUZZ AND AWARENESS IN THE CITY ABOUT IT.
AND HAVING VISIBLE WINDS ALSO CREATES POLITICAL PRESSURE.
UH, 'CAUSE PERSONALLY, UM, I'M VERY UPSET.
WE DON'T HAVE NET METERING IN TEXAS, AND I KNOW WHY IT IS, BUT THE REALITY IS, UH, IT NEEDS TO BE A VISIBLE WIN AND A PAIN POINT FOR THOSE THAT DENY IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROGRAM BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT IF WE CAN CREATE SOME NOTABLE VISIBLE WINS FOR THE CITY ON AN OPERATION, ON AN OPERATING COST BASIS, WHERE WE'RE OFFSETTING LARGE SWEATS AND MANY DOLLARS FROM OPERATING COSTS FOR POWER, FOR OUR PARKS, FOR LIGHTING, FOR CITY STREETS.
I MEAN, WE PAY THE LIGHT OUR CITY STREETS.
THERE WAS A TIME SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I REMEMBER THAT WE WERE TURNING OFF CITY STREET LIGHTS.
SO IF WE, AND HEY, LET'S GO CRAZY.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD BECOME A RETAIL PROVIDER TO PREFERRED RESIDENTS OF DALLAS.
WE'RE A RETAIL PROVIDER OF WATER TO THE REGION, SO WHY CAN'T WE BE A SOLAR ELECTRICAL PROVIDER? SO THAT'S WHERE COMMUNITY SOLAR COULD COME IN.
IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF DALLAS AND YOU'RE A TAXPAYER IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, MAYBE YOU CAN BUY, YOU CAN GET DISCOUNTED ENERGY PRODUCED BY, THROUGH A RETAIL PROVIDER ARM THE WAY IT'S DICTATED AND MANDATED IN THEIR TEXAS LAW.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, I, THERE'S PROBABLY A BUNCH OF LEGISLATIVE BARRIERS TO THAT
I WILL JUST SAY AMACO WOULD LOVE TO BE A LONGTIME PARTNER WITH THE CITY TOWARDS THOSE GOALS.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THAT IS, WILL THE FINAL STUDY INCLUDE, UH, FINANCIAL COST ANALYSIS OR RECOMMENDATIONS ON FUNDING MECHANISMS? UM, AT EACH OF THE 10 SITES WILL INCLUDE A FINANCIAL ANALYSIS, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, EVALUATION OF TAX INCENTIVES, UM, DETAILS ON, UM, THE I T C, UH, TAX INCENTIVES AND OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING.
UM, AS PROMISED, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET EVERYBODY OUTTA HERE.
UH, ROSA, I THINK YOU COULD WORK ON THIS.
THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR HAVING US.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, JAMES.
WE ARE MOVING ON TO OUR VOTING ITEM.
UH, NEED EVERYBODY TO GET OUT THEIR CALENDARS.
UM, SO I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS A SECOND TO OPEN UP YOUR CALENDARS.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT SOME DATES TOGETHER.
OUR VOTING ITEM THIS EVENING IS CONSIDERATION OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION 2024 MEETING SCHEDULE.
SO AS OF NOW, OUR 2024 SECOND WEDNESDAY REGULAR MEETING DATES ARE GOING TO INCLUDE, UH, JANUARY 10TH, FEBRUARY 14TH, MARCH 13TH, APRIL 10TH, MAY 8TH, JUNE 12TH, JULY 10TH.
IT'S JUST THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
LISTEN, CAN WE BRING OUR DATE? JUNE, JULY 10TH, AUGUST 14TH, SEPTEMBER 11TH, OCTOBER 9TH, NOVEMBER 13TH, AND DECEMBER 11TH.
UM, WITH THE POSSIBILITY THAT OUR JANUARY MEETING, UM, MAY, WE MAY FOREGO OUR REGULAR MEETING, UM, FOR A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION IN JANUARY.
SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT WITH O E Q S, BUT THOSE ARE OUR MEETING DATES.
UM, AND I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THESE REGULAR MEETING DATES.
UM, CAN YOU GIVE ME THE DATES AGAIN IN THE DATES IN
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OCTOBER? UH, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.OCTOBER, THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
WILL IT DIE FOR LACK OF SECOND? OH, IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.
IT ALL, ALL, ALL OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.
THOSE REGULAR MEETING DATES PASS, OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE ANY INCLEMENT, WHETHER, UM, WE WILL RESCHEDULE AS NEEDED.
LET'S JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR DISCUSSION.
UM, ITEMS, ITEM A IS THE APPOINTMENT OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
AS I SHARED FRIENDS, WERE AT THAT TIME OF YEAR WHERE, UH, WE'RE SEEING SOME TERM EXPIRATIONS AND SOME REAPPOINTMENTS.
ATE HAS MOVED ON FROM THE HEALTH COMMITTEE.
AND SO WE ARE SO GRATEFUL FOR HER SERVICE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.
AND OUR ILLUSTRIOUS CHAIRWOMAN CANDACE THOMPSON, UH, IS NO LONGER, UH, RESIDING IN DISTRICT FOUR.
AND SO NOT, UM, ELIGIBLE FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO HER COUNCIL DISTRICTS.
UM, BUT WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE THAT SHE HAS AGREED TO CONTINUE LENDING HER EXPERTISE AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, AND I'M GOING TO APPOINT CANDACE THOMPSON AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE.
UM, THIS IS GOING TO ENSURE CO CONTINUITY OF THIS, UH, COMMITTEE'S IMPORTANT WORK.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH, UH, FOR YOUR SERVICE CHAIR THOMPSON.
UM, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOUR COMMITTEE DID, THAT LEAVES US WITHOUT A CHAIR.
AND SO, UH, I HAVE ASKED OUR GOOD FRIEND, UH, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ROBERSON, UH, TO SERVE AS THE NEW CHAIR OF OUR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE.
AND SHE HAS, UH, GRACIOUSLY AGREED.
LACKMAN, THAT MAKES YOU VICE CHAIR.
I HOPE THAT THAT'S IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, ALL RIGHT.
LET'S MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ITEM B.
THAT IS OUR MONTHLY SUBCOMMITTEE UPDATES, THE OUTREACH, UM, AND ENGAGEMENT COMMITTEE DID NOT MEET.
UH, SO LET US GO TO ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SPEAK OR DO YOU WANT YES.
YOU WERE, YOU WERE THE CHAIRWOMAN AT THE TIME, SO GO AHEAD AND GIVE US THAT UPDATE, PLEASE.
SO WE HAD OUR, WAIT, UH, OUR LAST MEETING WAS HELD LAST
WELL, WE WORK ON GETTING HER CAMERA BACK.
ALRIGHT, I'M SAYING WE MET LAST MONTH IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER.
WE MEET ON THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
UH, OUR NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR, UH, NOVEMBER 2ND, AND LOOKING FORWARD TO, UH, CHAIR ROBERTSON AND, UH, VICE CHAIR, UH, LOCKMAN, UH, LEADING US AS WE CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD AND ADDRESSING OUR, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
WE WILL DISCUSS
WE'RE FOCUSING ON FORWARD DALLAS.
WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH ANDREA GILES, UM, WITH PLANNING AND URBAN DESIGN ON HER ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE ASPECTS OF THE NEW FORWARD DALLAS PLAN.
UH, CHAIRWOMAN BZA WILL SPEAK FURTHER ON THAT.
LOOK FOR A MEETING HERE IN NOVEMBER.
YES, THAT WILL BE TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR OUR NOVEMBER COMMISSION MEETING, SO LOOK FORWARD TO THAT UPDATE.
WE MET LAST WEEK, UM, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION SUBCOMMITTEE HAS SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE DALLAS FORESTRY TASK FORCE ABOUT THE MEMO, UH, THE UPDATE ON THE URBAN FORESTRY MASTER PLAN.
SO WE JUST, UM, NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH ERIN TO SCHEDULE, UH, A TIME THAT WORKS FOR THE COMMITTEE AND FOR, UM, WHOEVER IS ON THE TASK FORCE THAT CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU FOR FOLLOWING UP ON THAT ITEM, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THOSE RESPONSES.
UM, ALL RIGHT, UH, CHAIR HARIMOTO IS TRAVELING, AND SO WE'RE GONNA GO INTO DISCUSSION ITEM C.
THAT IS OUR MONTHLY DISTRICT UPDATES FROM COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO WRAP THIS UP MAYBE IN THE NEXT 10 OR 15 MINUTES.
GIVE US YOUR HIGHEST AND BEST, AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE RIGHT ALONG.
SO, UH, DISTRICT ONE IS, IS NOT PRESENT.
DISTRICT TWO, I THOUGHT I SAW MOMENTARILY, BUT MAYBE NOT ANYMORE.
THREE IS VACANT, FOUR IS VACANT.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REPORT AS
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FAR AS COMMUNITY MEETINGS, BUT, UM, ORIGINALLY TEXAS TREES FOUNDATION HAD SOME, UH, TREE PLANTING SCHEDULE, BUT THE FUNDING DID NOT COME THROUGH, UH, FOR THE GRANTS THAT THEY WROTE.SO MY QUESTION, AND WE CAN GET THE ANSWER LATER, IS CAN THE REFORESTATION FUND, UH, HELP PAY FOR A TREE PLANTING, UM, IN DISTRICT FIVE? SHE SAID IT TAKES ABOUT $16,000 TO, UM, TO DO A TREE GIVEAWAY.
UM, IN LIEU OF A, OF A PLANTING.
BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF AND GET YOU AN ANSWER ON THAT.
ON, UH, NINE 30, I HOST A COMMUNITY CLEANUP WITH CODE D P D AND D I S D SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEE JOE CARRYON IN NORTHWEST DISTRICT SIX, NORTHWEST DALLAS.
UM, WE WERE ABLE TO CARE FOR A HISTORICALLY NEGLECTED PARK OVER LAKE PARK, KIND OF IN THE BACHMAN LAKE AREA, THE AREA ELECT INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THIS PART HOUSED A PORTION OF JOE'S CREEK.
WE GOT A TON OF PLASTICS OUT OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
THANK YOU TO CHAIRWOMAN ON FOR COMING.
COMMISSIONER MURRAY FOR COMING.
UM, AARON DEAL FOR COMING AND SERVING AND LOADING UP TRASH.
UH, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A, UH, ONLY UPDATE.
I HAVE, I'M WORKING WITH THE ALL GIRLS SCHOOL AND THEY INVITED ME TO BE PART OF, THEY DO DEBATE FORM AT SS M U, SO THAT TAKES PLACE OCTOBER THE 17TH ON A TUESDAY FROM SIX TO EIGHT.
AND WHEN THEY GONNA DEBATE ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, SHOULD YOU OR SHOULD YOU NOT? RIGHT? SO IT'S EXCITING.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE UPDATE, BUT THIS IS JUST AN INPUT.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE RE EMPLOYMENTS.
I, I'M JUST GONNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE THAT'S ON THIS PANEL AND THE VOLUNTEER WORK THAT, THAT Y'ALL DO VOLUNTEER WORK FROM YOUR FAMILIES.
SO I WANNA CONGRATULATE EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN REAPPOINTED AND ESPECIALLY CHAIR BA, VICE RELL AND COMMISSIONER DURRELL.
WATCH THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
YOU'LL SEE Y CONGRATULATIONS, FRIENDS.
CAN I ADD DISTRICT SIX IS, UM, COOPERATING WITH THE E P A ON A CUMULATIVE IMPACT STUDY.
THANKS TO A CONNECTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER DARRELL WEST DALLAS WILL BE, UM, GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS THAT EPAS COMING TO TEST FISH TISSUE SAMPLES, WATER SAMPLES AND SOIL SAMPLES FOR CUMULATIVE IMPACTS OF CONTAMINANTS AND POLLUTANTS.
I WROTE IT DOWN SO I'D BE QUICK.
I'D LIKE TO THANK AARON AND ROSA, WHO WERE PRESIDENT AT OUR FALL FESTIVAL AT THE CHURCH THAT THEY RAN A TABLE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.
AND IT WAS MY MEET THE COMMISSIONER ON TRYING TO EDUCATE EVERYBODY ABOUT, UH, THAT THEY HAVE A COMMISSIONER IN THE DISTRICT AND WHAT THAT MEANS.
UM, I PARTICIPATED IN, UH, THE CHARLES ROSE PARK PLANTING.
KATHY JACK WAS THERE AND SEVERAL PEOPLE WERE THERE.
OCTOBER 14TH, UM, THIS COMING UP SATURDAY.
UH, COLLEEN IS GONNA BE A SPEAKER FOR SIERRA CLUB IN NOVEMBER.
UM, WE HAD, UH, NIGHT OUT OCTOBER 3RD AND NOVEMBER 2ND.
BISHOP DUNN HAS, LEMME READ THIS, RIGHT? WE'RE INVITING EVERYBODY.
THIS IS ACTUALLY PAULA'S THING, BUT BISHOP DUNN HAS AN, UM, HAS WAWA GOT THROUGH'S JOURNEY TO BECOMING AN ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVIST.
IT'S A YOUNG LADY THAT, UH, SHE'S GONNA TALK TO THE BISHOP DUNN KIDS.
SHE'S GONNA BE ONE OF THE KEYNOTE SPEAKERS, AND IT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL BECAUSE THEY GOT HER HERE WITH, WITH A CASH.
SO, UM, EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE EXCITED TO SEE HER.
UM, AND THAT'S NOVEMBER 2ND AND EVERYBODY'S INVITED.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAD, THE, THE, UH, BATCH PLANT AND THE, UH, VAPING.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT, WHERE WE ARE WITH THE VAPING.
I KNOW WE MADE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN ACCEPTED OR NOT.
DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE WITH THE PARKS, TRAILS AND ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE? THEY HAVE NOT TAKEN IT UP YET.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, AND I'LL KEEP YOU, KEEP EVERYBODY UPDATED ON THAT.
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ALL RIGHT.I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF REALLY QUICK THINGS.
UM, THERE'S AN EJ LEADERS ROUND TABLE THAT'S GONNA BE HOSTED BY THE E P A.
IT'S A VIRTUAL MEETING THURSDAY, OCTOBER 9TH.
IT'S GONNA BE ON OUR SHARED CALENDAR.
UM, AND THEN ON, UM, NOVEMBER THE FIRST, MARK YOUR CALENDAR FOR THE DALLAS COLLEGE SUSTAINABILITY SUMMIT.
THAT'S GONNA BE HELD AT THE NORTH LAKE CAMPUS, I BELIEVE.
UM, AND THEN THERE IS A REGION SIX E P, A ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE SUMMIT.
THAT'S GONNA BE TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH AND EIGHTH.
WE'LL ALSO PUT, UM, THOSE EVENTS ON THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR.
DISTRICT CAN, CAN WE GET THOSE SENT OUT? THEY'LL BE ON THE COMMUNITY CALENDAR.
AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA POP 'EM IN THE NEWSLETTER TOO.
UM, AND, UH, JUST MARK YOUR CALENDARS AS WELL.
UM, EARTHX FILM FESTIVAL IS COMING TO OAKCLIFF, UH, OCTOBER 20TH, 21ST AND 22ND.
WE'LL SEND OUT THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
I'LL GET, I'LL GET YOU THE, YEAH, I'LL GET YOU THE INFORMATION.
UM, MY APPOINTMENT IS THE, UH, CHAIR OF THE TEXAS PEDIATRICS, AND ACTUALLY THEY'RE CALLING ME, THE SENIOR CHAIR MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT, UH, MAYBE I SHOULD DYE MY HAIR.
UM, THE, UH, OF THE TEXAS PEDIATRIC SOCIETY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE.
AND WE HAVE OUR, UH, THEY DEFERRED THE MEETING BECAUSE I WAS IN CALIFORNIA FOR MY, UH, GRANDDAUGHTER'S BIRTHDAY.
BUT WE HAVE A MEETING COMING UP AND I WOULD PARTICULARLY LIKE TO INVITE, UH, DR.
AVA TO, IF SHE'S AVAILABLE TO JOIN US, I'LL SEND HER THE INFORMATION.
AND ANY OTHER ENVIRONMENTALLY INTERESTED, UH, PEDIATRICIANS ARE WELCOME, WHICH ARE JUST FORMING THIS COMMITTEE.
UM, UH, I HAVE BEEN INVITED TO GIVE TALKS, UH, IN LOS ANGELES IN NOVEMBER AND IN MARCH IN LAS VEGAS, WHERE THE THEME IS GOING TO BE, UM, UH, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL EQUITY AND HEALTH.
AND, UM, UH, I DID, UH, ON A LEVEL IN THE, UM, IN MY DISTRICT, I MET WITH TEXAS TREE FOUNDATION, AND WE'VE GOT SOME TARGETS FOR WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO CITE, UH, THEIR WORK IN TERMS OF DEVELOPING, UH, UH, TREES IN OUR DISTRICT.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ASK, UH, WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS ABOUT, UH, THE EXPANSION, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE VAPING ORDINANCE.
AND IT CONTAINS SOME REAL INACCURACIES FROM THE SPOKESMAN, UH, THAT, UH, FOR THE INDUSTRY THAT REALLY NEED TO BE COUNTERED.
UH, SO AN OP-ED PIECE WOULD, MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
AND THEN, UM, FINALLY, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PROGRESS YET? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE IDENTIFIED FROM THE COMMUNITY MEETING WITH T C E Q WAS THE QUESTION BECAUSE I WAS STRUCK BY THE FACT THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS WHO TESTIFIED HAD FAMILY MEMBERS WITH EARLY CANCER.
AND I WONDER ABOUT CANCER AS A RISK AS WELL AS ASTHMA.
AND SO THE WAY FOR US TO MAKE THE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO GEO MAP THOSE DISTRICTS AND LOOK AT WHETHER THEY'RE HIGH ON THE VULNERABILITY INDEX AND I, I WOULD REQUEST.
DISTRICT 14 AND 15 ARE, UH, ABSENT THIS EVENING.
UH, DO ANY OF OUR TECHNICAL ADVISORS HAVE SOMETHING VERY URGENT TO ADD? AND IF NOT, I DO NOT.
UH, RITA, UH, I JUST WANNA MENTION TO EVERYONE THAT THE UN PUT OUT 173 PAGE REPORT ON THE, UM, CLIMATE METHANE ABOUT INTERSECTING CRISES AND HOW TO MITIGATE WITH LOW COST SOLUTIONS.
SO THOSE OF YOU THAT FOLLOW THE UN'S CLIMATE REPORTS, THAT IS OUT.
ITEM D IS OUR UPCOMING MEETINGS.
THE PARKS TRAILS ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE WILL MEET MONDAY, NOVEMBER 6TH AT 9:00 AM OUR NEXT MEETING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION WILL BE WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 8TH, 5:30 PM AND THAT CONCLUDES OUR BUSINESS.
SO I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.