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[Citizen Homeless Commission on October 12, 2023.]

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SPEEDING TO ORDER.

SO IT'S CHRISTINE CROSLEY TESTING AUDIO.

THE AUDIO IS FINE.

UH, DIRECTOR CROLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, MY NAME IS RENITA GRIGGS.

I'M THE BOARD COORDINATOR FOR THE CITIZENS HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION.

THIS IS A REGULAR CALL.

RENITA, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY.

THIS IS A REGULAR CALL MEETING ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER THE 12TH, STARTING AT 3:00 PM IT'S THE REGULAR MEETING.

IT IS NOW 3:05 PM I NEED TO ADVISE EVERYONE THAT THIS MEETING IS NOW BEING RECORDED.

IN ORDER TO SHOW YOURSELF PRESENT IN THE MEETING, YOU MUST, IF YOU'RE VIRTUAL, YOU MUST HAVE YOUR VIDEO CAMERA ON AT ALL TIME.

AT THIS TIME.

I WILL PASS THIS, TURN THIS MEETING OVER TO THE CHAIR.

DAVID KING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, RENITA.

AND YES, IF YOU, UH, ARE A COMMISSIONER IN ATTENDANCE VIRTUALLY, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO STAY ON CAMERA TO, UH, CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE.

OKAY.

UH, CAN WE CALL THE ROE? YES, SIR.

I'M READY TO CALL ROE.

WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE PRESENT.

IF I DON'T SEE YOU ON THE VIDEO CAMERA, I WILL NOT MARK YOU AS PRESENT.

DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER.

KEYS, DISTRICT TWO.

COMMISSIONER GARNER.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT THREE.

VICE CHAIR OWENS PRESENT.

DISTRICT FOUR.

COMMISSIONER HAWK.

PRESENT.

HAW.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT SEVEN.

COMMISSIONER BROWN.

PRESENT DISTRICT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT EIGHT, CHAIR KING.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT 10.

COMMISSIONER SHELENE.

DISTRICT 11.

COMMISSIONER COTTEN HALL.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 12.

COMMISSIONER JACOB.

PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

DISTRICT 13.

COMMISSIONER SMITH IS OUT TODAY.

DISTRICT 14.

COMMISSIONER SILHAN.

PRESENT DISTRICT.

UM, FIVE.

COMMISSIONER SANTOS.

PRESENT.

DISTRICT FIVE.

HEAR ME? YOU HAVE A QUORUM.

ESTABLISHED QUORUM.

YOU HAVE DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT NINE.

DISTRICT 15.

BACON CHAIR.

YOU MAY PROCEED.

THANK YOU.

RENITA.

UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS IF WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER.

YOU HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKER AT THIS TIME? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023, AND A SPECIAL CALL MEETING, UH, SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2023.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOVE TO APPROVE.

LINDA GARNER.

IT'S BEEN MOVED.

MOVED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GARNER.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES HOUCK.

UH, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

UH, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.

LEMME CALL FOR VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

DID WE HAVE IN THE POLL? MAYBE THAT WAS A FEEDBACK.

OKAY.

UH, I THINK THE AYES HAVE IT.

UH, THE, THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES, UH, ARE APPROVED.

COMMISSIONER, UH, KEYS? YES, MA'AM.

DISTRICT ONE.

OKAY.

I DON'T SEE YOU ON VIDEO, PLEASE, SIR.

I, I, I'M ON VIDEO.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER KEYS.

OKAY.

MAKE SURE WE YEAH, WE CAN SEE YOU.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS AGENDA AND CONTRACT FORECAST.

UH, FOR THAT WE HAVE DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, UH, WHO IS VIRTUAL TODAY, DIRECTOR CROSSLEY.

YOU DO HAVE THE FLOOR DIRECTOR CROSSLEY,

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IF YOU CAN HEAR US.

I'M SHOWING THAT YOU'RE MUTED.

UH, YES.

CHAIR KING.

I'M SORRY, I WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MY AUDIO, UH, BUT I'M ABLE TO HEAR YOU NOW.

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? UH, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE, UM, UM, THE AGENDA AND CONTRACTS FORECAST AND GIVING YOU THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME.

OH, YES.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

CAN WE PULL THAT UP PLEASE? UH, IS THAT BEING PULLED UP? GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.

DIRECT CROSSMAN.

OKAY.

THERE WE GO.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, AND THANK YOU CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, FAMILY GATEWAY.

THIS WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS JUST ACCEPTED BY COUNCIL, UH, YESTERDAY.

IT IS JUST HANDING BACK THE BUILDING DOWNTOWN.

UM, THEY HAVE MOVED PERMANENTLY INTO THEIR NORTH DALLAS LOCATION.

AND SO, UM, THIS FACILITY IS NOW, UM, BEING LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF IS THERE A CITY USE FOR IT? AND IF THERE'S NOT A CITY USE FOR IT IN TERMS OF A DEPARTMENT EXPRESSING A DESIRE TO UTILIZE AND FUND THE BUILDING, UM, THEN GENERALLY THOSE ARE PUT UP BY REAL ESTATE, UH, FOR PURCHASE.

SO THAT'S NOT AN O H S, UH, PROPERTY.

WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CITY IN GENERAL.

UM, NO CURRENT PLANS THAT I'M AWARE OF FOR THAT.

AND THEN FOR THE NEXT ONE, UH, THE CITY COUNTY PARTNERSHIP.

WE WANTED TO SHOW IT TO YOU THIS WAY BECAUSE, UH, THE, WHAT'S COMING ON THE 25TH, AND THERE'LL BE A FRIDAY MEMO COMING UP NEXT FRIDAY, UH, TALKING ABOUT THIS IS PRECISION OF THE OLD I L A LANGUAGE.

UH, AND THEN, UM, LOOKING AT ADOPTION OF NEW LANGUAGE AROUND A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT.

AND SO WHAT THAT IS IS, UM, CITY COUNCIL LAST SUMMER DID VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, SOME BASIC LANGUAGE, LIKE A, WHEW, OKAY, THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU.

A TERM SHEET, UM, TO BUILD THE BASIS OF A COUNTY I L A THAT WAS GOING TO GIVE THE CITY $10 MILLION TO USE ON, UH, O H S HOMELESSNESS, UH, AND SERVICE PROJECTS.

AND, UM, WHAT THAT HAS THEN EVOLVED INTO IS INSTEAD OF A WHOLE 10 MILLION THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, UM, THAT IT WILL JUST BE PROJECT BY PROJECT THAT THE, UH, COUNTY LOOKS AT THIS FUNDING AND MAY OR MAY NOT WORK WITH THE CITY.

UH, AND SO WE HAVE, UM, INFORMATION, UH, SUFFICIENT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH ONE OF THOSE PROJECT ONE 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE.

UH, AND SO THAT IS ALL COMING AS ONE ITEM TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE 25TH BEFORE THEN IT WILL COME TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS ON THE 23RD.

UM, SO IT WILL BE TO RESCIND THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE HERE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHY IT IS, UM, WHICH IS WHY IT IS BARRED.

AND ALSO BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT APPEARED PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN I L A COMING THROUGH.

UM, SO IF YOU LOOK BACK AT A PREVIOUS, I THINK THE 9 27 COUNCIL AGENDA, IT WAS PULLED WHEN COUNTY DECIDED, NO, LET'S DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY.

UM, SO THE LANGUAGE WAS REDLINED, SO WE DIDN'T WANNA BE, DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE CONFUSING.

UM, BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT CHANGE.

UM, AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE 23RD BRIEFING PRESENTATIONS, UM, OKAY, UH, WELL, THESE TITLES ARE, UH, I, SO I CORRECT THE TITLES A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT THE REALTIME REHOUSING DEEP DIVE, THAT'S, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE QUARTERLY ONE FOR HOUSING BOARD.

UM, THAT WILL OF COURSE COME TO THIS BODY AFTER IT COMES TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS.

I WILL SAY, UH, INTERESTING ONE THERE, BECAUSE AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A VERY LONG TIME, WE HAVE SWITCHED FROM THE DALLAS REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE TO THE LARGER SYSTEMWIDE HOUSING OF 6,000 PEOPLE TOTAL.

SO THE DECK IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE OF A SYSTEM-WIDE, UM, SCOPE.

AND I THINK YOU'LL BE REALLY, REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT TO SEE MORE OF THE, THE WHOLE PICTURE.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, OF WISH FOR THAT HERE.

UM, AND AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION DECK ACTUALLY IS NOT, IT'S NOT THAT.

IT'S A TEMPORARY HOUSING PROJECT, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THE DECK WILL BE CALLED.

AND THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO, UM, THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS IN SEPTEMBER.

AND

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THEN WE WERE GOING TO BRIEF IT TO THIS GROUP, UH, BUT THEY DID ASK FOR IT TO COME BACK THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS.

SO THEN IT'LL COME TO THIS GROUP IN NOVEMBER, IDEALLY.

UM, AND THEN MIRAMAR IS ACTUALLY, UH, 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.

IT IS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE MIRAMAR.

WE DON'T REFER TO IT THAT WAY ANYMORE.

UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE DONE BY HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.

SO WE WILL BRING AN UPDATE TO THIS GROUP, BUT WE WON'T BE DOING A FULL BRIEFING 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR ITEM.

UM, COST SAVINGS IS SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THAT'S GONNA BE COMING TO H H SS FROM, UH, THE CONSORTIUM FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THIS COMING MONTH.

WE'RE VERY EXCITED BY THAT.

THAT ACTUALLY CAME EARLIER THIS SUMMER, BUT WE RAN OUT OF TIME AND HAD TO, TO PUSH IT OFF TO ANOTHER EVENT.

UM, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH THAT DECK WITH THIS GROUP AS WELL.

I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE REALLY EXCITED BY WHAT YOU SEE.

UM, AND THEN THE YOUTH REPORT IS NOT LGBTQIA A PLUS SPECIFIC.

UM, THAT'S KIND OF MORE OF THE CITY TERMINOLOGY THAT WAS LOOKING AT LT LGBTQIA YOUTH AS A CARVE OUT FOR YOUTH HOMELESSNESS.

AGAIN, THIS IS 18 TO 24.

UM, BUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE IS HOUSING BOARD HAS DONE A NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE HOMELESS, UH, YOUTH, AGAIN, 18 TO 24, ARE REALLY SAYING THAT THEY NEED IN THIS SPACE.

UM, AND SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN FOUND THERE, UM, AND, AND THE WAY FORWARD THAT HAS BEEN FORMED BY THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD, UM, IN PARTNERSHIP ON THAT THROUGH HOUSING FORWARD.

AND THEN OF COURSE, THEY HAVE RECEIVED OVER 9 MILLION, UH, IN HUD FUNDING, WHICH IS HISTORIC.

IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT OUR SYSTEM HAS RECEIVED THE GRANT, AND IT IS THE LARGEST GRANT IN THE US FOR THIS.

SO THEY'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THAT.

SO WE'RE REALLY PACKED AGENDA.

UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO NOVEMBER WITH YOU GUYS.

AND THEN RENITA.

I THINK THAT IS THE LAST THING.

IT'S A LOT.

I COVERED IT QUICKLY, BUT IT'S A LOT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

DIRECTOR CROSSLEY.

UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR, UH, QUESTIONS.

UH, LET'S DO, UM, TRY ONE AND A HALF MINUTES, UH, AND WE'LL TRY FIRST ROUND, UH, VICE CHAIR ORANGE .

THANK YOU.

CHRISTINE CROSSLEY ON THE FAMILY GATEWAY, UH, ITEM.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LEASE IS OVER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THEN SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT FACILITY, OR, OR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? I'M NOT REAL CLEAR.

SO, UM, THE FACILITY IS JUST BEING TURNED BACK OVER.

IT IS, IT WAS A 49 YEAR OR A 49 YEAR LEASE.

UM, AND AT THE END OF THAT LEASE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN RENEWED.

UM, BUT THEY HAD ALREADY MOVED INTO THEIR NORTH DALLAS FACILITY.

AND SO INSTEAD OF RENEWING THE LEASE, THEY'RE HANDING IT BACK TO THE CITY.

AND SO AT THIS POINT, IT IS TURNED BACK OVER AS SURPLUS PROPERTY.

CITY DEPARTMENTS WILL LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO GET FIRST CRACK AT USING THIS PROPERTY FOR A CITY PURPOSE, OR NO, WE WOULDN'T.

UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, IF THERE'S NO INTEREST, IT COULD GO TO THE LARGER PUBLIC FOR PURCHASE.

SO IT'S, IT BECOMES A REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT PROPERTY.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER GARNER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UH, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, MY ONLY QUESTION, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE, UM, SEVEN 11 SOUTH ST.

PAUL, IT, IT IS CITY OWNED.

'CAUSE I THINK ON DCA IT LISTED A DIFFERENT OWNER.

IT IS CITY OWNED.

THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

UM, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE D A SAYS, BUT, UH, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S CITY OWNED.

OKAY.

AND THEN THE TIMELINE FOR EXAMINING ITS NEW LAND USE, PERHAPS GETTING A NEW CO IF THEY'RE GONNA USE IT FOR SOMETHING OR SELLING IT.

WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THAT SIX MONTHS, A YEAR WHEN THEY MAKE THAT DECISION? I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT.

I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT FOR YOU.

FROM REAL ESTATE, ALL I KNOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SURPLUS PROPERTY REPORT THAT GOES AROUND, UM, MONTHLY.

AND IF SOMEBODY'S INTERESTED, THEY CAN SAY, HEY, I'M INTERESTED, CAN WE DO A WALKTHROUGH? AND THEN IF THEY'RE NOT AFTER CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, I BELIEVE IT GOES TO PUBLIC SALE.

BUT WE CAN ASK FOR THAT TIMELINE.

OKAY.

AND IT IS JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.

UM, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARNER.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY.

UH, DIRECTOR CROSLEY, UM, REALLY QUICKLY HERE, SO I, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH THE I L A A LITTLE BETTER.

UM, AND SO IF YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO ME, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK, UM, BEFORE COUNCIL, AS OF THE 23RD, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATE OF THE I L A AGREEMENT FROM THE COUNTY PERSPECTIVE?

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SO, UM, THE COUNTY HAS APPROVED THAT THEY WILL GO ONE BY ONE ON PROJECTS, 2.5 MILLION EACH ACROSS, UH, EACH COUNTY DISTRICT AND APPROVE EACH ONE AT A TIME.

UH, AND SO THE ORIGINAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR 10 MILLION IS NOT NEEDED.

UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.

UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF, OF COLLABORATING ON SOME PROJECTS IS STILL THERE, AND WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT SUPPORT.

UH, AND SO THE ONE THAT WILL BE, SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO THE BRIEF THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO H H SS IS SAYING, HEY, ON THE 25TH, SO TWO DAYS LATER, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE LANGUAGE THAT APPROVES RESCISSION OF THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION VOTE, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.

AND APPROVAL OF THE NEW WAY WE'RE DOING THINGS, WHICH IS JUST GONNA BE FOR THAT ONE STANDALONE PROJECT THAT WAS READY TO GO, WHICH IS 2.5 MILLION FOR 41 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE.

OKAY.

AND, UH, SO IN REFERENCE TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS, WHAT IS THE PLAN IN REFERENCE TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS? UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE IS IN EACH DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT, ASSESSING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, UM, THAT MAYBE COULD USE AN INFUSION OF FUNDING THAT'S GOING ON.

OR IF, IF SOMETHING IS NOT THERE, WHAT IS THE INTEREST IN THE, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IS THE INTEREST IN THE NEED IN THAT AREA? VERY SIMILAR, I THINK, TO AND IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING BY COUNCIL DISTRICT HERE IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, BY DISTRICT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE NEED.

OKAY.

AND AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE INDEPENDENCE DRIVE PROJECT, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THAT, THAT I L A AGREEMENT WILL GO THROUGH ON THE 25TH? I CAN'T SAY WHAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT HAS, UM, BEEN SUPPORTED THROUGH AND THROUGH IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT.

UM, SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE THE WHOLE TIME.

UM, BUT AS I SAID, I, I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT WHAT COUNCIL WILL SAY.

AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AMOUNT? RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL NEEDS FOR THE PROJECT? UM, YEAH, AND THE TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT, THAT GIVES US AS WELL, FOR COMPLETION.

YEAH.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OVERALL NEED IN TERMS OF RENOVATION IS.

UM, I DO THINK THIS IS CERTAINLY A HUGE HELP IN TERMS OF GETTING TO THE POINT THAT WE NEED TO BE AT.

UM, AND I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN USE TO, TO BRING MORE TO THE TABLE FOR THAT PROPERTY CHAIR.

YOUR TIME IS UP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, OKAY.

ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY, HEARING NONE.

UM, DIRECTOR CROSLEY, I, I MAY HAVE A COUPLE MORE FOLLOW UP, BUT I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU DIRECTLY ABOUT THAT.

UM, IN TURN, I GUESS LET ME ASK THE LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON THOUGH.

UH, IS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE UPDATE TIMEFRAME FOR C H C WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THE READJUSTMENT TO THE I L A? SO NOVEMBER, UM, I, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FRIDAY MEMO WILL BE SHARED WITH ALL COMMISSIONERS AS SOON AS IT COMES OUT, AS WILL THE H H S MATERIALS.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH THE FULL IMPACT IN NOVEMBER WITH THAT.

UM, AS WITH MOST OF THESE BRIEFINGS THAT YOU SEE, THE BRIEFING PRESENTATIONS.

OKAY.

UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE OTHER PROJECTS.

UH, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, AGAIN, WE WANNA KEEP A FINGER ON THE PULSE WITH.

UM, NOW, WELL, I SAID A LAST QUESTION.

ONE FINAL QUESTION.

, UH, WITH THE OTHER DISTRICTS, DO COMMISSIONERS HAVE A, UM, OBLIGATION, UH, TO, IN TERMS OF THE SPENDING FOR THE OTHER DISTRICTS? WILL THEY GO TO PROJECTS FOCUSED ON HOMELESSNESS? THE INTENT THROUGH ALL OF THE FUNDING IS TO SUPPORT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, EITHER FOR THOSE UNSTABLY HOUSED OR FOR THOSE WHO ARE, UH, IMMEDIATELY HOMELESS.

I THINK THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS SHARED.

UM, NOW WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY HAS TO PARTY WITH THE, UH, EXCUSE, UM, HAS TO, UM, HAS TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS.

UM, BUT YES, I MEAN, I, THE, THE INTENT IN THE LANGUAGE IS STILL THE SAME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANKS, DIRECTOR.

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OKAY.

UM, SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT PRESENTATION.

UM, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER UPDATES ON, ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION AND VOTE ON THE CITY OF DALLAS HOMELESSNESS ORGANIZATION'S POLICIES AND ENCAMPMENTS REPORT, OR THE HOPE REPORT.

UM, SO YOU SEE WE'RE VOTING ON A CITIZENS' HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION ASSESSMENT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE REPORT.

THIS IS TO RETURN TO OUR PREVIOUS, UM, UH, COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THE REPORT.

AND, UM, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED, UH, IS IF WE HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY COMMISSIONER GARNER, WHICH IS BASICALLY A SUM UP OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAD LAST MONTH, UM, WHICH LISTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS UNDER A CONSENT LIST AND A DISCUSSION LIST.

UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO SEE HOW MANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN GET UNDER CONSENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

UM, AND OF COURSE, LEAVING THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, UH, TO REMAIN.

UH, SO YOU GUYS HAVE THE REPORT, OR I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BROUGHT UP AS WELL.

AND, UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT ITEMS ARE LISTED IN THEIR CATEGORIES, IN THEIR SUBJECT CATEGORIES.

SO INTERIM SOLUTIONS, INTERIM SHELTER, ET CETERA.

UH, AND UNDER EACH CATEGORY YOU HAVE, UH, THE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION ITEMS, AND THEY'LL EITHER BE LISTED AS A CONSENT ITEM, UH, OR A DISCUSSION ITEM.

UH, SEE .

OKAY.

UM, SO ALL YOU GUYS HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.

UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GO THROUGH AND IDENTIFY FIRST OUR CONSENT LIST.

OKAY? SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH HERE, CONSENT ITEM BY CONSENT ITEM, JUST TO ENSURE THERE ARE NO ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE MOVED TO A DISCUSSION LIST.

OKAY.

ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE NO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WE'LL STAY ON THAT CONSENT LIST.

WE CAN VOTE ON THAT LIST AS ONE.

OKAY? UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTES AT THE END, UH, BUT THEN ONCE WE IDENTIFY THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION ITEMS AND WE'LL GO THROUGH DISCUSSION.

UM, OF COURSE, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF, UH, KNOWING THAT THIS, THIS WILL TAKE A MAJORITY OF OUR TIME.

OKAY.

UH, SO COMMISSIONER GARNER, WILL YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE CONSENT ITEMS? AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY THE ITEM, ASK IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION.

IF THERE IS DISCUSSION, WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION LIST.

EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE IT SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CONSENT LIST.

WE CAN DETERMINE, UH, WHATEVER WE GOT FOR DISCUSSION IS ON DISCUSSION.

WHAT WE GOT UNDER CONSENT IS UNDER CONSENT, OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, MAY I HAVE THE FLOOR? OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

UM, SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR HOW YOU WANT THIS PRESENTED IS WE'RE GONNA MOVE THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED AS CONSENT.

AND, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THESE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WERE DESIGNATED BY CHAIR KING, UM, AS, AS SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE ON THE CONSENT.

UM, AND IF THERE IS, IF YOU WANT DISCUSSION ON THIS CONSENT ITEM, THEN I'LL PRESENT IT AS A MOTION, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE, MOVE IT TO, WE'LL DISCUSS.

OH, WE'LL JUST MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS DOCUMENT, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, CREATE THIS DOCUMENT.

I HOPE THAT IT'S, UM, CONCISE AND UNDERSTANDABLE FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS.

I ALSO HOPE THAT THEY, UM, IT HAS BEEN, UM, EXAMINED AND, UH, IN YOUR SUBCOMMITTEES AS, UH, THE CHARGE OF OUR CHAIR IN OUR LAST MEETING, AND THAT YOU HAVE INPUT.

UM, SO WE WILL JUST MOVE THROUGH THE, PER THE CHAIR'S REQUEST, WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THE CONSENT ITEMS, UM, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT MOVED THROUGH,

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UH, TO THE DISCUSSION, UM, JUST SAY, SO SPEAK UP, UH, CONSENT ITEM ONE, MOVE TO DISCUSSION.

ANYONE, NO CONSENT.

ITEM TWO, CONSENT ITEM THREE, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

AND LET ME BE CLEAR, EVERYBODY DOES HAVE THE DOCUMENT SO YOU CAN READ ALONG.

I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE ITEM IS.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANKS.

UM, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

NUMBER SIX IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.

SKIPPING THAT.

NUMBER SEVEN, CONSENT ITEM, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO DISCUSSION.

OKAY, LET'S STOP AND, MM-HMM.

.

SO JUST CIRCLE THAT EIGHT.

GO TO DISCUSSION.

YES, SIR.

CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONSENT, I'M SORRY, LISTED AS DISCUSSION ITEM IS NUMBER 10, CONSENT ITEM 11.

NUMBER 12 IS LISTED AS DISCUSSION NUMBER 13.

DISCUSSION NUMBER 14, CONSENT ITEM, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 15, DISCUSSION ITEM IS NUMBER 16, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 17, DISCUSSION.

DISCUSSION, MOVE CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 17, OVER TO DISCUSSION CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 18.

NUMBER 19 IS A DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 20 HAS BEEN VOTED ON AND APPROVED IN THE MINUTES THAT WERE PRESENTED, UM, AND APPROVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, MEETING NUMBER, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 21.

ANYONE DISCUSSION, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 22.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO DISCUSSION CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 23.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO DISCUSSION, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 24.

ANY DISCUSSION? YES, 24.

SO CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 24 IS MOVED OVER TO DISCUSSION CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 25, GET MY NOTES HERE.

CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 26, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 27.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO DISCUSSION AND CONSENT.

ITEM NUMBER 28.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT ITEM NUMBER SIX IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION.

HOWEVER, UM, WE APPROVED THE, THE, IT WAS LISTED AS, UM, A MOTION THAT PASSED, UH, IN THE MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH.

THEREFORE, IT HAS BEEN VOTED ON, AND WE HAVE APPROVED IT IN THE MINUTES.

SO IT WILL BE TAKEN OFF THE DISCUSSION, BE OUT ON THAT.

IT WILL BE, UH, UH, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE APPROVED IT IN THE MEETING MINUTES, UM, FOR NUMBER FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH, UM, IT, IT IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS, THIS ONE IS DONE SO WELL.

THE, THE ISSUE WITH THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION, IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S IN THE MEETING MINUTES.

YEAH, IT WAS RECALL IN THE MEETING MINUTES, BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR THE WE THE MEETING MINUTES.

YES.

AND SO I, UM, I REVISITED THE TRANSCRIPT AND, UM, PROVIDED THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION AND, UM, SENT IT ON TO RENITA, AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE MEETING MINUTES.

AND WE, AND WE JUST APPROVED THAT.

SO, SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.

THAT IS, UM, IT'LL BE REMOVED.

IT IS NOW CONSIDERED PART, IT'S ALREADY VOTED ON, SO IT'S NOT PART OF THIS DOCUMENT.

THAT'S NUMBER SIX.

AND THEN NUMBER, UM, THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY DOCU, UH, THAT WE ALREADY VOTED ON, THAT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING MINUTES THAT WE APPROVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, COMMISSION MEETING IS NUMBER 20.

SO NUMBER 20 AND NUMBER SIX ARE NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN, UM, DISCUSSED AND APPROVED, VOTED AND VOTED ON.

SO, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? CHAIR KING.

UM, I CAN PROVIDE A RECAP ON THE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION THAT WE VOTED ON IN THE MEETING MINUTES.

I CAN DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

UH, UM, SO I'M REFERRING TO IF YOU'D LIKE TO FOLLOW ALONG THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING MINUTES THAT WE VOTED ON AND APPROVED.

THIS IS ITEM SIX SIX A.

WE HAD A VOTE ON

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CITIZENS HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION ASSESSMENT CONTAINED IN THE HOPE REPORT.

AND THIS IS REFERRING TO THE DOCUMENT AS A WHOLE, UM, ITEM, A CITY OF DALLAS FUNCTION.

PAGE THREE.

NUMBER THREE WAS TO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE CONTAINED IN THE HOPE REPORT WAS TO DISSOLVE THE CITIZENS' HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION AND THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP TO REDUCE RE REDUNDANCY.

A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER GARNER TO KEEP BOTH C H C AND D A P.

IT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES HAWK, THE MOTION PASSED BY UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.

THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 20 ON OUR, UH, AGENDA MATERIALS NUMBER, UH, ITEM SIX B, UM, ACTIONS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO TEMPORARY SHELTER AND ACCELERATE PERMANENT REHOUSING EFFORTS.

THAT WAS THE HEADING.

THIS WAS IDENTIFIED ON PAGE SEVEN, NUMBER FOUR OF THE HOPE REPORT, THE, THE COMPLETE HOPE REPORT.

UH, ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE AMENDMENT WAS TO KEEP DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 51, A LIMITATIONS ON EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS WITHIN C B D AND ONE THIRD MILE OUTSIDE TO 1100, AND ESTABLISH ENHANCED CODE IN POLICE ENFORCEMENT AND GOOD NEIGHBOR REQUIREMENTS WITHIN EMERGENCY SHELTER AREA WHEREIN DEEDED AND ZONING RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED.

I MADE THE MOTION, IT WAS SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER, UH, JIM HAWK.

WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT.

IT SAYS JOHN HAUK.

UH, AND WE PASSED SIX TO FOUR.

UM, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION LATER ON, UM, THAT, A MOTION TO TABLE, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY MADE THE MOTION, IT HAD BEEN VOTED ON, UM, CONSULTING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT INITIAL MOTION, UH, PASSED AND STANDS.

SO THAT IS CONTAINED IN THE MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH, WHICH WE ALL VOTED ON AND APPROVED.

SO I JUST WANNA READ THAT INTO THE RECORD.

THAT ITEM SIX, WHICH IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, AND ITEM 20, WHICH IS ALSO LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, ARE REMOVED FROM OUR VOTING, UM, MEETING TODAY, THE VOTING ITEMS TODAY.

WHAT WOULD YOU LET ME KNOW? OKAY.

UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO, SO WE, WE SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF ALL OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY.

AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE, UH, A VOTE ON THESE CONSENT ITEMS ALL AT ONCE.

UM, WE'LL DO THAT AFTER, UH, WE COMPLETE DISCUSSION TO SEE IF ANY OF THOSE MOVE ON TO CONSENT.

YES.

CAN YOU LIST THE CONSENT ITEMS PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD? YES, WE, YES.

I, AND THEN THOSE ITEMS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED, SO THAT WE'LL HAVE THE NUMBERS.

YES.

SO CONSENT ITEM NUMBER, NUMBER NUMBER, ET CETERA.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR KING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST LIST THE ITEMS FOR CONSENT AS A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN JUST VOTE AND GET IT UP? NO, BECAUSE, UH, IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO GO TO CONSENT, I PREFER TO DO THAT DURING DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A COMPLETE LIST TO VOTE ON AT THE END INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TACK IT ON.

UH, OKAY.

SO THE CONSENT ITEMS ARE, UH, ITEMS NUMBER ONE, TWO, AND THREE UNDER INTERIM SOLUTIONS, ITEMS FOUR, FIVE, UH, SIX AS AMENDED, SEVEN AND NINE UNDER, UH, INTERIM SHELTER.

OKAY.

UH, ITEMS UNDER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, WE HAVE ITEMS 11, 14, AND 15, UH, UNDER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AS WELL.

WE HAVE ITEM 16, I'M SORRY, ITEM, UH, 1817 IS ALSO DISCUSSED.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE ITEM 18.

SO IT'S ITEM 17 AND 18.

NO, 17, I THOUGHT WAS DRAWN OUT FOR DISCUSSION.

YES, SIR.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE ITEM 18, 16, AND 17 ARE DISCUSSION ITEMS. OKAY.

UNDER, UH, MAINTENANCE OF CLOSING ENCAMPMENTS.

WELL, WELL, NOTHING.

SO UNDER, UH, ELIMINATE DUPLICATIVE.

OKAY.

THAT'S ITEM 20.

WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT.

AND, UH, UNDER DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE HAVE CONSENT ITEM 21 AND CONSENT ITEM 25.

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UNDER BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, WE HAVE CONSENT ITEM 26 AND CONSENT ITEM 28.

OKAY.

THOSE ARE OUR CONSENT ITEMS AT THIS TIME.

UH, AND SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GET INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, SO THE FIRST ONE WE'LL GO TO IS I LISTED AS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT UNDER INTERIM SHELTER.

AND, UM, WHO BROUGHT IT UP FOR DISCUSSION? I DID COMMISSIONER GARNER.

SO READ THE CON, READ THE ITEM FIRST, AND THEN GIVE US, OKAY.

SO I'LL, YOU HAVE A MOTION.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, I WILL READ THE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT INTO THE RECORD, AND THEN OFFER AN AMENDMENT.

UM, NUMBER EIGHT, ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.

UM, I MOVE TO AMEND THIS STATEMENT, UH, TO INCLUDE, UM, ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE IN CRIME FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS TO ADD THIS LANGUAGE FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.

THAT'S, UH, YEAH, I MOVE TO AMEND.

UM, OKAY.

YEAH.

I WOULD BEEN MOVED TO AMEND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION.

UM, SO I MOVED TO AMEND RECOMMENDATION NUMBER EIGHT TO STATE ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.

OKAY.

SO, ONE THING I, I THINK WANNA SAY, AND I'LL ASK YOU , UH, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO LANGUAGING SOMEBODY ELSE'S REPORT SAYING, WELL, THEY, THEY SAID THIS, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT.

AND USING THEIR WORDS IN THE REWORDING OF THE PROCESS, UH, IT SEEMS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC TO ME.

WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS THAT WE SIMPLY HAVE A C H C STATEMENT ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION.

SO IF YOU WANNA SAY THE C H C, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT THIS LANGUAGE BE ADDED, UH, THE C H C RECOMMENDS THAT YOU ALSO CONSIDER.

OKAY.

YOU KNOW, AND THE, LIKE, I CAN, I CAN RESTATE.

SO IF, YEAH, THAT, AND JUST TO ALL COMMISSIONERS, IF WE COULD PRESENT IN THAT WAY, UH, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE ACCUMULATING THIS INFORMATION, IT ACCUMULATES TO A REPORT FROM US INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, REWORDING SOMEBODY ELSE'S, UH, LANGUAGE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I, I MOVE TO AMEND, UH, THAT LANGUAGE BEING INCLUDED IN RECOMMENDATION NUMBER EIGHT, UM, TO ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

I SECOND THAT.

OKAY.

SO IT'S, SO NOW WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION.

YEAH.

IS IT RELATIVE TO THE SOMETHING? YEAH.

OKAY.

SO I, THEY, THEY, THEY, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THE C H C RECOMMENDS THE ADDITION OF LANGUAGE TO ASSESS THE, THE DANGER TO THE, TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR KING.

YES.

WHEN YOU, WHEN A COMMISSIONER IS MAKING A MOTION, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND WHEN YOU SECOND GIVE YOUR NAME SO THAT IT WILL BE PICKED UP ON THE TRANSCRIPTION.

THANK YOU.

DO WE NEED THEM TO REITERATE? WE HAVE RECORDED THAT COMMISSIONER GARNER MADE THE MOTION.

COMMISSIONER HAWK SECONDED.

HAK.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO WE DO HAVE THAT RECORDED, BUT ALL, ALL COMMISSIONERS TAKE NOTE.

UM, IF YOU OFFER, UM, A MOTION TO STATE YOUR NAME, DO YOU OFFER TO SECOND STATE YOUR NAME AS WELL? OKAY.

SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.

NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO DISCUSSION.

UH, COMMISSIONER SHAN? YES.

THANK YOU.

UH, CHAIR KING.

I JUST HAD A QUESTION OF HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T ALREADY THE CASE? DO WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THEY DON'T ALREADY USE THAT AS CRITERIA? I DON'T WANNA GO.

I

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WOULDN'T WANNA LOOK STUPID.

I DON'T WANNA LOOK LIKE WE HAVE OUR PANTS DOWN OR ON OUR ANKLES, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT ALREADY EXISTS.

RIGHT.

DO YOU POSE IT JUST IN AS A GENERAL QUESTION, UH, TO COMMISSIONER GARNER DIRECTLY SINCE YOU MADE THE MOTION THOUGH? YEAH.

I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT I, BEFORE THIS GOES TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE, I JUST MAY, I RESPOND.

WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE RESPOND.

UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE, UM, ANY OF THE CO-CHAIRS HERE WHO WROTE THE REPORT TO PRESENT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THEM.

SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAVE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.

I'VE COPY PASTED IT IN IDENTICAL LANGUAGE TO THIS.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE AS PRESENTED AND, UM, ADD LANGUAGE AS WE SEE FIT.

SO, UH, BUT I, DO I RESPECT YOUR, UM, YOUR COMMENT? YEAH.

WHAT I SAY ABOUT THAT, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, YOU, YOU'VE SEEN IT REPORTED TO US THAT THE CITY HAS TWO APPROACHES TO ENCAMPMENT DECO DECOMMISSIONING.

ONE, I WOULD SAY IS SOLELY BASED UPON THE DANGER OF VIOLENCE.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONE WE'VE SEEN WHERE, UH, THEY, I MEAN, IN A SENSE, IT'S MORE OF AN EMERGENCY DECOMMISSIONING, UM, AND IT'S HANDLED DIFFERENTLY AS IT MUST BE FROM THE OVERALL PROCESS THAT WE WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, AS THE MAINSTAY OF OUR OUTREACH, UH, WHICH IS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE TIME TO HAVE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.

SO I DO THINK THAT IN REGARD TO DECOMMISSIONING SECURITY IS ONE THING THAT THE CITY HAS KIND OF PRIORITIZED.

UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL SAY MORE SECURITY OF, OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

UM, AND IT'S ONE THAT I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A POLICY AND A PROCESS FOR WHEN THEY SEE ENDANGERMENT.

THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PARTITION STATEMENT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T FORGET TO COUCH IT IN ITS ENTIRE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE REPORT WHEN YOU CONSIDER IT.

UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STATEMENT IS SAYING ONE OF THE PREEMINENT, UM, YOU KNOW, REASONS OR REASONINGS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.

UM, I THINK THE THING TO BE CAREFUL OF IS THAT WHEN WE'RE SAYING ONE, WE'RE ALSO IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THE OTHERS? WELL, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE MAIN ONE? WHENEVER YOU HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SEPARATES THESE THINGS OUT, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THE REPORTS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES IN THAT PARAGRAPH.

WHAT'S THE MAIN REASON FOR DECOMMISSIONING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UH, IT JUST KIND OF BRINGS THAT UP.

SO THAT BECOMES A LITTLE DANGEROUS AS PEOPLE TEND TO LOOK AT BYTES OF LANGUAGE AS OPPOSED TO FULL CONTEXT.

BUT ULTIMATELY, I WOULD SAY YES, THE CITY DOES HAVE THAT CONSIDERATION.

THEY DO HAVE PROCESS FOR THE RELATIVITY OF NEED TO EMPHASIZE THAT OR FURTHER EMPHASIZE THAT.

UM, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THERE, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT IS A MATTER OF OPINION.

UM, NOW I WILL SAY, I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF COMMISSIONER GARNER'S PROPOSAL OR, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POINT OF ADDITION IS TO SAY, TO CONSIDER THE DANGER TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

UH, AND, AND IF I'M MISTAKEN IN THAT, CORRECT ME.

UM, AND SO I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE VOTING ON THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION BEING OFFERED, THAT'S THE CONSIDERATION YOU'RE GIVING, IS THAT NECESSARY, UH, TO SPECIFY IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY SPECIFY? NOW, I DON'T WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT IS THE POINT.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE FOR MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A HIGH PRIORITY.

UM, AND I MEAN THAT JUST THE, THE ENCAMPMENT DANGER IN GENERAL, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO, NEED TO FOCUS MORE HIGHLY ON SOMETHING ELSE.

SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET LOST IN THE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE FULL LANGUAGE OF THE RECOMMENDATION ITSELF.

UH, SO WHILE WE HAVE THIS AMENDMENT, WE'LL DEAL WITH THIS AMENDMENT, BUT I CAUTION ALL COMMISSIONERS AND MAKING AMENDMENTS NOT TO, NOT TO CROSS THOSE KIND OF LINES THAT REALLY PREVENT US FROM BEING ABLE TO ANSWER OR RECOMMEND ANOTHER POINT IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR STATEMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

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UM, SO WHAT SHOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES, THE, THE MAIN PRIORITIES THAT PUSH DECOMMISSIONING, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN DANGER OF SOME TYPE IS ALWAYS A FACTOR, I THINK IS A DEBATABLE ISSUE.

UH, BUT NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.

SO THAT, I THINK THAT HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION IN FULL.

UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, ITEM? UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I JUST REALLY WANNA CAUTION EVERYBODY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

AND REMEMBER THAT WE ARE THE VOICE FOR THE HOMELESS, AND IT FEELS A LITTLE FOR IT TO BE COMING AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR US.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EVEN REALLY JUST DIVE INTO.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE AGAIN, SO I'M GLAD YOU SAID SOMETHING, BUT, UM, I THINK, LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IF WE'RE GONNA START GOING THROUGH AND AMENDING, I THINK WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT OUR MESSAGE IS GONNA BE FOR A RECOMMENDATION VERSUS GOING THROUGH AND ADDING AMENDMENTS TO ALL OF THE VERBIAGE.

WE NEED TO JUST HAVE A UNITED FRONT OF THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA TACKLE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA ISSUE AS A RECOMMENDATION AS A WHOLE.

'CAUSE IF WE START DOING IT LIKE THIS, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA TAKE UP THE WHOLE MEETING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND ISSUE A WARNING WITH THIS SPECIFIC ONE.

WITH VIOLENCE BEING LISTED AS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF YOU GUYS GO OUT WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DO THE DECOMMISSIONINGS, OR IF YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED, BUT THIS ONE AFFECTS ME, AFFECTS DISTRICT SEVEN.

SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ACTUALLY ARE BEING CALLED WHEN HOMELESSNESS ARE HAVING DECOMMISSIONS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ERA, YOU KNOW, SOME CAUTION RIGHT THERE, AND TO ALSO JUST PUT OUT THERE THAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO DOWN THE SAME RABBIT HOLE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE USE AS MUCH OF THIS TIME TO ACTUALLY GET SOME WORK DONE TO PRE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PRESENT SOMETHING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU, CHAIR KING.

I, UH, DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, DELINEATE, I GUESS, BETWEEN THE DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS.

UH, AND IT'S THE HEART PROGRAM.

I THINK THAT IS THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, WHAT A THREE, FIVE TO SEVEN DAY RESPONSE INSTEAD OF THREE WEEKS.

AND I KNOW OF SEVERAL SITUATIONS IN MY DISTRICT WHERE THAT'S CRITICAL AND THAT THERE HAS BEEN VIOLENCE, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND SO THAT HEART RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED A RESPONSE QUICKER THAN THREE WEEKS.

SO I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DISCUSSION, PART OF THE ASSESSMENT FOR DECOMMISSIONING.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO, UM, LET ME REMIND PEOPLE WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE DISCUSSING, UH, AN AMENDMENT WHICH INCLUDES, UM, ASSESSMENT OF DANGER TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND BETTER MY LANGUAGES, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDING FOR THE ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

OKAY.

SO WHAT IT, WHAT THAT CREATES IS A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, FIRST ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST, UM, THE LANGUAGE OF MAKING, UM, UM, PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS? ARE, ARE YOU FOR THAT OR ARE YOU AGAINST IT? OKAY.

UM, SO I THINK THAT, I MEAN, PROBABLY A BETTER WAY WOULD BE TO TAKE THAT VOTE FOR FIRST IS TO UP OR DOWN ON THE RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD JUST PRESERVE YOUR MOTION.

CAN YOU DO THAT? OR DO YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE MOTION? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME? YOUR MOTION'S ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, IS THAT A MOTION? AND IT HAS BEEN SECONDED.

WE'VE HAD DISCUSSION.

UM, DO YOU WANNA VOTE INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS OR DO YOU WANNA DO IT? WELL, AS THE ISSUE WITH THE DOCUMENT IS ALL VOTE ON, SO THE ISSUE OF VOTING ON THIS, THIS IS YOUR MEETING, SO YEAH.

YOU CAN CALL, YEAH.

SO THE ISSUE OF VOTING ON THAT MOTION THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED IS YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UH, EFFECTIVELY YOU'RE KEEPING THE LANGUAGE AND DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOL SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING, AND YOU'RE INSERTING THAT ADDITION, CORRECT? YES.

I'M INSERTING IT RIGHT AFTER, UM, CRIME

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FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

YEAH.

SO, OKAY.

AMENDING THE LANGUAGE OR THE RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE AS THE COMMISSION ARE VOTING ON, WHETHER WE RECOMMEND TO ADD THE LANGUAGE, UM, TO, TO THIS OVERALL RECOMMENDATION, WHICH MEANS, OF COURSE, APPROVING THAT RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

UM, EVERYBODY CLEAR? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED, SAY NAYYY.

MM-HMM.

NOT HEARING ANY, THE AYES HAVE IT.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED A COUNT.

UM, THE MOTION IS APPROVED, AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION BECOMES, GIVE US THE PHRASE ONE MORE TIME.

WE'RE ADDING THIS PHRASE, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME, INSERT FOR ENCAMPMENT, RESIDENT, AND SOME SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.

SORRY, JUST RIGHT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO NOW, UM, THIS STATEMENT AS AMENDED GOES TO THE CONSENT LIST EFFECTIVELY.

OKAY.

IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND, UH, APPROVED.

OKAY.

UM, OKAY.

NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM, IT'S UNDER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES.

UH, NUMBER 10, IMPLEMENT A SCORING SYSTEM TO ASSESS THE CAPACITY OF ORGANIZATIONS OR INDIVIDUALS TO UNDERTAKE NEW PROJECTS.

HIGHER SCORES WOULD RECEIVE EXPEDITED TREATMENT AND HAVE A GREATER LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS IN SECURING SUPPORT AND RESOURCES.

OKAY.

I OPEN THE FLOOR UP TO DISCUSSION.

ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVING, UM, ANY POSITION ON THE ITEM? AND UNLESS THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE, THEN WE'RE JUST VOTING UP OR DOWN ON THE RECORD RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION AROUND IT? COMMISSIONER GORDON? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO CONSENT AND ACCEPT AS IS COMMISSIONER HOUK.

I'D LIKE TO SECOND THAT.

THAT'S A MOTION.

WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I'M ASKING FOR DISCUSSION ON THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION.

HONOR.

EXCUSE ME.

CHAIR KING? YEAH.

WHO DID THE SECOND? COMMISSIONER HOCK.

THANK YOU, .

OKAY.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMMISSIONER SAY HOUCK HO.

OKAY.

GOTCHA.

GOTCHA, GOTCHA.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

UM, NOW LET ME SAY BEFORE WE GO TO, WE, WE GO TO A MOTION TO MOVE IT.

WELL, NO, GO AHEAD AND DO THE MOTION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION.

SO WE GOT THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GARNER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOUCK.

UM, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S WISHING DISCUSSION? OKAY.

SO LET ME SAY THAT THE, THE CONCERN I DO HAVE WITH THIS LANGUAGE, UM, IS THAT IT DOESN'T IDENTIFY WHAT THE SCORING SYSTEM IS.

UM, IT DOESN'T IDENTIFY HOW YOU QUALIFY FOR IT OR WHO COULD UNDERTAKE IT, UM, OR WHO'S SCORING.

BUT IT LEADS TO, UH, A SPECIALIZED CLASS IN A SENSE, IN TERMS OF ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVING GOVERNMENT FUNDING, UH, THAT THEY COULD HAVE AN EXPEDITED TREATMENT BECAUSE OF A PRIOR SCORE.

IT DOESN'T GIVE A TIMEFRAME.

SO IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR WHAT CHANGES COULD HAVE OCCURRED WITH THAT ORGANIZATION FROM THE TIME THEY INITIALLY RECEIVED THE SCORE TO THE TIME THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE EXPEDITED SERVICE ON A FUTURE R F P.

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AND IT DOESN'T, AND THROUGH, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REPORT, THERE IS NO LANGUAGE THAT IN MY MIND, LEADS TO, UH, COLLABORATION BETWEEN LARGER ORGANIZATIONS AND SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH HAVE THEIR OWN DIFFICULTIES IN BEING ABLE TO APPLY FOR SUCH RFPS.

SO TO ME, IT SETS THE DANGEROUS STANDARD, UH, A POSSIBILITY AT LEAST OF, UH, KIND OF SEPARATING THE PAC HERE AND BEING MORE PREVENTATIVE OF SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS' PARTICIPATION, WHICH, WHAT IS ULTIMATELY PUBLIC MONEY, THE PEOPLE'S DOLLARS.

UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.

NOW, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF THOSE EXPEDITED ORGANIZATIONS HAD A REQUIREMENT TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH SUBCONTRACTORS OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT, OR THERE WAS SOMETHING EMBEDDED THAT ALLOWED FOR A REAL, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF INCLUSION.

UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THIS REPORT.

UH, SO I'M JUST DISCUSSING POINT OF ORDER.

I'M DISCUSSING ON THE MOTION.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UH, SO THAT, THAT'S MY TAKING POSITION ON IT.

I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE PROBLEM WITH A STREAMLINING PROCESS, BUT WITHOUT CERTAIN, UM, SAFEGUARDS, IT'S, IT, IT BECOMES A CONCERN TO ME.

RESPECTFULLY, UH, CHAIR KING, DO YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BE SPECIFIC WITH THE LANGUAGE? AN AMENDMENT TO THE RECOMMENDATION? YEAH.

YES, SIR.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT WE COULD, UM, DISCUSS? NO.

NO, BECAUSE MY, MY AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN THIS PART OF THE LANGUAGE.

UH, AS I SAID, UH, THE WAY THAT THIS IS BROKEN DOWN, UM, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE.

WHAT WOULD BE NECESSARY.

I THINK THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AMENDING LANGUAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE REPORT, OR WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AS A C H C, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'LL BRING UP LATER TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE EXPEDITED OR, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE CAPABLE OR ET CETERA, OR, UH, REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED TO WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE A SMALLER SIZE, SMALLER BUDGET, THAT WOULD, THAT OVERALL WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LOT SAFER ABOUT THIS TYPE OF, UH, SPECIALIZATION.

UH, SO CHAIR KING, I'D LIKE, LIKE, JUST CALL IT POINT ORDER HERE.

WE, WE, WE SEEM TO BE DRIFTING FROM DISCUSSION INTO RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND CHANGE.

NO, WE'RE NOT.

I THINK WE CAN WELL, YOU ARE DISAGREE.

YOU'RE SUGGESTING CERTAIN THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE FOR DIFFERENT ORGS.

YEAH.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IN DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IF THAT MEANS YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR AMEND THE, THE WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON A MOTION THAT HAS A SPECIFIC CONTEXT.

I THINK WHAT YOU WANT IS A CHANGE TO THE MOTION.

WELL, LET ME STOP YOU SO WE DON'T WASTE TIME.

OKAY.

BECAUSE I WAS ASKED A QUESTION, DO I WANNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS STATEMENT? I WAS ANSWERING IT, WHICH I THINK I'M STILL ALLOWED TO DO.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SO IN MY ANSWER, I'M STATING WHY I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION ON THIS.

I WOULD SIMPLY VOTE IT UP OR DOWN.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

UH, SO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.

NOW THAT YOU'VE MADE THAT POINT.

THIS IS WHERE THE ISSUE IS.

THE CONCERN, I BELIEVE, IS BECAUSE WITH YOU NOW GIVING YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES ON IT, IT EX IT, IT EXPANDS OUR THOUGHT PROCESSES TO WHY WE AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT NUMBER 10.

SO IT DOES CAUSE US TO, I'LL SAY ME, I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY.

IT, CAUSE IT CAUSES ME TO SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT STILL SOUNDS LIKE AN AMENDED WORDING, LIKE SOMETHING THAT, OR SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO RECOMMEND, UH, TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.

I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

HOWEVER, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ADDITIONAL WORDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SHARE WITH THEM.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.

WELL, AS, AS I'M SAYING, I'M NOT SUGGESTING AN AMENDMENT HERE, IT'S JUST A VOTE.

YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, BUT YOU'VE OPENED OUR MINDS NOW.

THAT'S WHAT THIS DOES.

HAVING AN DISCUSSION, WELL, LET ME SAY FURTHER MM-HMM.

, THAT IF THE C H C WANTS AS A PART OF THIS ASSESSMENT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION MM-HMM.

, THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ALTERING THE LANGUAGE OF SOMEBODY ELSE'S REPORT MM-HMM.

, WE CAN SIMPLY DO THAT.

THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH WE CAN DO THAT.

AND SO MY SUGGESTION IS TO SIMPLY PUT IT THERE AS OPPOSED TO

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SAYING, WE RECOMMEND THIS REPORT BE CHANGED IN THIS WAY.

I'M MAKING A COMMENT ON THE REPORT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO EDIT IT.

I UNDERSTAND.

YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM.

.

SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT THAT.

I'M GONNA TAKE A UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR THING AS IT RELATES TO THE REST OF THE REPORT, AS EVERY COMMISSIONER CAN, IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WE WANNA MAKE AS A COMMISSION IN OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE REPORT, WE CERTAINLY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND THAT WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME AND POSITION FOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

GOT IT.

AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IF YOU UNDER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

MM-HMM.

.

OKAY.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY COMMENTS OR THE PROCESS? I CAN GET GOOD COMMENT, SIR.

UM, I COULD OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY OR WHOEVER IS EVALUATING, UM, IMPLEMENTING A SCORING SYSTEM TO ASSESS THE CAPACITY, UM, MAKE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO DO JUST THIS THING, TO EXPLORE IT.

WELL, AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAID I, I DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY GET INTO IT.

I WAS HOPING I WASN'T WORKING.

OKAY, THEN I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW THAT AMENDMENT AND, UM, IF WE CAN JUST, WE CAN NEED TO DO AN UP DOWN VOTE, WE CAN DO THAT NOW.

SO ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

ALL THE POLLS SAY NAYYY, NAY, NAY, UH, THE AYES HAVE IT.

AND TELL ME IF YOU CAN, THE PERSONS THAT VOTED NO, UH, GIVE THEIR NAME, PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME.

DAVID KING, CHAIR OWENS VOTED NO.

OKAY.

AND LET ME SAY THAT THIS IS HOPE.

HOW, WHAT I'M HOPING FOR IS THAT WE DON'T AMEND EVERY DISCUSSION ITEM.

UM, IF THAT'S NECESSARY, THAT'S FINE.

'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MIGHT AGREE WITH IT WITH THIS CAVEAT, SO IT MAKES IT NECESSARY.

I WAS HOPING MORE OF AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON, ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF IF PEOPLE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WANT TO GO INTO THE C H C ASSESSMENT, THEY CAN MAKE THAT AT THAT END.

UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL JUST WORK THROUGH IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

UM, OKAY.

SO, BUT ITEM 10 GOES TO THE, EFFECTIVELY GOES TO THE CONSENT LIST, AND WE HAVE THE, UH, VOTES ON THAT.

OKAY.

UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 12.

ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION IS NUMBER 12.

ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM THAT ENABLES DEVELOPERS AND NONPROFITS TO GAIN INITIAL EXPEDITED TIMELINES FOR ZONING APPROVAL FROM THIS CITY.

THIS WOULD GRANT THEM THE AUTHORITY TO PURSUE REAL ESTATE DEALS WITH ALIGNED VOUCHERS AND SERVICES, AND CAN HELP ACCELERATE THE PROGRESS OF THESE PROJECTS.

OKAY.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? COMMISSIONER GARNER.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, ITEM 12, UH, LOOPS INTO CONSENT.

UM, WHAT WE'VE MOVED TO DISCUSSION, WHICH IS ITEM 22 AND ITEM 23, WHICH ALL GOES INTO CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING REGULATIONS, PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, THINGS THAT THE CITY AS A WHOLE WITH EVERY DEVELOPER, EVERY BUILDER, NOT JUST THE NONPROFITS, NOT JUST PERSONS WHO ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR HOMELESS.

THAT PLAYS INTO THE LARGER ARGUMENT.

I THINK, UH, THIS IS BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.

UM, ITEMS 1222 AND 23, IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE.

AND, UM, AS FAR AS AMENDING IT, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, THE CITY LOOK AT A, UM, EITHER AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OR SOME SORT OF AUDIT PROCESS OF THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS AS A WHOLE, UH, TO SEE WHERE THE, UM, WHERE, UM, PROCESSES ARE SILOED AND WHERE THE DELAYS ARE.

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST, UH, HOMELESS NONPROFITS TRYING TO DO THIS.

THIS IS PERSON TRYING TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.

THIS IS A PERSON TRYING TO, UM, GET, UH, MULTIFAMILY HO HOUSING, UH, BUILT.

UM, IT'S EVERYTHING.

SO THIS IS BEYOND OUR PURVIEW, I BELIEVE.

SO MY SUGGESTION AS A WHOLE FOR ITEMS 20, UM, 12, AND I'M GONNA INCLUDE 22 AND 23 WAS, IS SOME SORT OF AUDIT OF THAT SYSTEM IN PARTICULAR, OR AD HOC COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING OF THE

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SORT.

OKAY.

SO, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, A MOTION TO SAY YOU MOVED AT THE CITY AUDITS.

UM, OR, OR YOU, JUST SO I CAN, I CAN SAY, UM, LET'S SEE.

WE'RE ITEM 12.

UM, I WOULD SAY, LET'S SEE WHAT, UH, GIVE ME JUST A SECOND.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

SO AS A MEANS TO ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM, THE C H C AS A BODY RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY IN SOME CAPACITY AUDIT OR HAVE A TASK FORCE TO EVAL, EVALUATE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS OUT OF OUR PURVIEW.

SO I WOULD SECOND THAT.

JAKE COMMISSIONER? YES.

CAN THAT BE REPEATED? PLEASE? CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOVE TO AMEND TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE IN AN EFFORT TO ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM? THE C H C AS A BODY RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY IN SOME CAPACITY PERFORM AN AUDIT OR ESTABLISH A TASK FORCE TO EVALUATE, UH, PERMITTING DEVELOPMENT, ZONING, APPROVALS FROM THE CITY, UH, PROCESSES AND NOT LIMITED TO THAT.

I COULD NOT LIST ANYMORE BECAUSE I'M, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT.

OKAY.

UM, DID YOU GET THE, OKAY.

OKAY.

SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.

UM, THE MOTION IS FOR AN AUDIT OF THE, OF THE, UM, THE CITY'S APPROVAL, UH, PROCESS.

UM, SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND SAY ANY, ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.

MR. HOWELL? I WOULD JUST, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER HOW I'D LIKE TO JUST STATE THAT I APPRECIATE THE NU THE MOTION HERE IS REALLY ABOUT GETTING AWAY FROM TALKING TO THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR DEPTH TO UNDERSTAND.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ZONING PERMITTING PROCESSES THAT WHILE THEY IMPACT HOMELESS PEOPLE AND HOMELESS SITUATIONS AND HOMELESS CAMPS AND HOMELESS BUILDING, IF IT IS A BIGGER SITUATION.

AND I THINK THAT DALLAS AS A WHOLE HAS A BIGGER PROBLEM WITH ALL OF THIS.

MM-HMM.

.

SO IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO REALLY ENCOURAGE THIS AUDITING OR TASKFORCE PROCESS BECAUSE IT WOULD FIX A BIGGER PROBLEM.

WE CAN'T JUST FIX BY THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

GOT YOU.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

UM, YEAH, I HAVE TO SAY, I, I, UM, I'M NOT REALLY AGAINST THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ITEM, A PREAPPROVAL MECHANISM.

UM, AND, BUT WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS SAYING IS SIMPLY SET UP AN AUDIT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM IN ORDER TO CREATE THE PREAPPROVAL, AN AUDIT OR TEST TASK FORCE OF SOME SORT.

UM, BASICALLY HOW WE CAME ABOUT AS A COMMISSION, THERE WAS A TASK FORCE AND AN, AND AN AUDIT THAT FOLLOWED.

AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE ESTABLISHED.

IT WAS, WE WERE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHERE THINGS WERE SILOED, PROCESSES WERE SILOED.

UM, IT WAS JUST AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PROCESSES AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO BE.

AND, UM, THE DAP CAME TO BE AND THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS WAS ESTABLISHED.

SO, UM, I COULD SEE THAT TRANSLATING TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE 'CAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UM, IN THE SAME MANNER.

OKAY.

SO TELL ME IN THE, ARE YOU SAYING THE AUDIT, SAYING THE TASK FORCE? YOU SAID SUGGESTING AN AUDIT AND OR A TASK FORCE.

OKAY.

UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I GO WITH THE AUDIT, THE TASK FORCE, UH, I THINK THE REASON, SORRY SIR.

CHAIR.

UM, COMMISSIONER , I THINK PART OF THE THINKING BEHIND HAVING A

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TASK FORCE IS SOMETIMES AN AUDIT WILL FIND THINGS, A TASK FORCE MAY NEED TO ADDRESS THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM AND TAKE IT A LOT FURTHER.

YOU CAN AUDIT A SINGLE TEAM OR DEPARTMENT OR PROCESS MM-HMM.

A LOT EASIER THAN IF YOU SAY YOU REALLY WANNA AUDIT THIS FROM SOUP TO NUTS, SO TO SPEAK, TO GET THE WHOLE PROCESS OF BUILDING FIXED HERE IN DALLAS THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING AND OR A TASK FORCE AND OR OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM? OKAY.

LET'S, UH, CALL FOR A VOTE.

UM, AND GIVE US THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME.

MS. ANGIE, CAN YOU READ WHAT I HAD STATED EARLIER? THANK YOU.

HOPEFULLY I GOT THIS CORRECT .

IT'S OKAY.

WE'RE HERE TOGETHER TO WORK THROUGH IT.

CITY OWNED PROPERTIES.

NUMBER 12, SUGGESTION IS TO, UH, ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM THAT ENABLES DEVELOPERS AND NONPROFITS TO BRING INITIAL EXPEDITED TIMELINES FOR ZONING APPROVAL FROM THE CITY.

RECOMMENDED, UM, LET'S SEE.

RECOMMENDED RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY IS THE CITY OR THAT THE CITY PROVIDE AN AUDIT AND OR TASKFORCE YEAH.

AND OR TASK FORCE TO EVALUATE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES AS A WHOLE.

AND I WOULD LIST THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I, IT'S, YEAH, THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BE MORE BROAD.

PROVIDE AUDIT TASKFORCE TO EVALUATE PERMITS DEVELOPMENT, ZONING AND PROCESSES.

NOT LIMITED TO THIS.

YES.

UM, AND YOU ADDED ALSO, UM, RECOMMEND AN AD HOC AUDITING, UM, COMMITTEE AND OR A TASK FORCE TO ASSESS, UH, UH, TASK FORCE ASSESSMENT, UH, FOR ASSESSMENT OF THE PROCESS.

I CAN RESTATE THAT.

RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY PROVIDE, PROVIDE AN AUDIT AND OR TASK FORCE AND OR AD HOC COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ZONING, PERMITTING, DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.

YOU SAID.

AND, AND NOT LIMITED TO THIS.

YES.

YEAH.

TO INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO.

RIGHT.

YEAH.

IT'S LOT I KNOW.

YEAH.

OKAY.

UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE TWO, FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, QUESTION, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE OTHER TWO ITEMS THAT