[Citizen Homeless Commission on October 12, 2023.]
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SO IT'S CHRISTINE CROSLEY TESTING AUDIO.
UH, DIRECTOR CROLEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I'M THE BOARD COORDINATOR FOR THE CITIZENS HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION.
RENITA, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.
THIS IS A REGULAR CALL MEETING ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER THE 12TH, STARTING AT 3:00 PM IT'S THE REGULAR MEETING.
IT IS NOW 3:05 PM I NEED TO ADVISE EVERYONE THAT THIS MEETING IS NOW BEING RECORDED.
IN ORDER TO SHOW YOURSELF PRESENT IN THE MEETING, YOU MUST, IF YOU'RE VIRTUAL, YOU MUST HAVE YOUR VIDEO CAMERA ON AT ALL TIME.
I WILL PASS THIS, TURN THIS MEETING OVER TO THE CHAIR.
AND YES, IF YOU, UH, ARE A COMMISSIONER IN ATTENDANCE VIRTUALLY, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO STAY ON CAMERA TO, UH, CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE.
UH, CAN WE CALL THE ROE? YES, SIR.
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU'RE PRESENT.
IF I DON'T SEE YOU ON THE VIDEO CAMERA, I WILL NOT MARK YOU AS PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER SMITH IS OUT TODAY.
YOU HAVE DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT NINE.
UH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL TAKE PUBLIC COMMENTS IF WE HAVE A REGISTERED SPEAKER.
YOU HAVE NO REGISTERED SPEAKER AT THIS TIME? OKAY.
UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE, WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2023, AND A SPECIAL CALL MEETING, UH, SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2023.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOVE TO APPROVE.
MOVED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER GARNER.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND BY COMMISSIONER JAMES HOUCK.
UH, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
DID WE HAVE IN THE POLL? MAYBE THAT WAS A FEEDBACK.
UH, THE, THE SEPTEMBER MINUTES, UH, ARE APPROVED.
COMMISSIONER, UH, KEYS? YES, MA'AM.
I DON'T SEE YOU ON VIDEO, PLEASE, SIR.
MAKE SURE WE YEAH, WE CAN SEE YOU.
UM, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS AGENDA AND CONTRACT FORECAST.
UH, FOR THAT WE HAVE DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, UH, WHO IS VIRTUAL TODAY, DIRECTOR CROSSLEY.
YOU DO HAVE THE FLOOR DIRECTOR CROSSLEY,
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IF YOU CAN HEAR US.I'M SHOWING THAT YOU'RE MUTED.
I'M SORRY, I WAS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH MY AUDIO, UH, BUT I'M ABLE TO HEAR YOU NOW.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? UH, WE'RE MOVING ON TO THE, UM, UM, THE AGENDA AND CONTRACTS FORECAST AND GIVING YOU THE FLOOR AT THIS TIME.
CAN WE PULL THAT UP PLEASE? UH, IS THAT BEING PULLED UP? GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.
SO THE FIRST ONE, UM, AND THANK YOU CHAIR COMMITTEE MEMBERS, UH, FAMILY GATEWAY.
THIS WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS JUST ACCEPTED BY COUNCIL, UH, YESTERDAY.
IT IS JUST HANDING BACK THE BUILDING DOWNTOWN.
UM, THEY HAVE MOVED PERMANENTLY INTO THEIR NORTH DALLAS LOCATION.
AND SO, UM, THIS FACILITY IS NOW, UM, BEING LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF IS THERE A CITY USE FOR IT? AND IF THERE'S NOT A CITY USE FOR IT IN TERMS OF A DEPARTMENT EXPRESSING A DESIRE TO UTILIZE AND FUND THE BUILDING, UM, THEN GENERALLY THOSE ARE PUT UP BY REAL ESTATE, UH, FOR PURCHASE.
SO THAT'S NOT AN O H S, UH, PROPERTY.
WE'LL GO BACK TO THE CITY IN GENERAL.
UM, NO CURRENT PLANS THAT I'M AWARE OF FOR THAT.
AND THEN FOR THE NEXT ONE, UH, THE CITY COUNTY PARTNERSHIP.
WE WANTED TO SHOW IT TO YOU THIS WAY BECAUSE, UH, THE, WHAT'S COMING ON THE 25TH, AND THERE'LL BE A FRIDAY MEMO COMING UP NEXT FRIDAY, UH, TALKING ABOUT THIS IS PRECISION OF THE OLD I L A LANGUAGE.
UH, AND THEN, UM, LOOKING AT ADOPTION OF NEW LANGUAGE AROUND A MUCH SMALLER AMOUNT.
AND SO WHAT THAT IS IS, UM, CITY COUNCIL LAST SUMMER DID VOTE TO APPROVE, UH, SOME BASIC LANGUAGE, LIKE A, WHEW, OKAY, THERE WE GO.
A TERM SHEET, UM, TO BUILD THE BASIS OF A COUNTY I L A THAT WAS GOING TO GIVE THE CITY $10 MILLION TO USE ON, UH, O H S HOMELESSNESS, UH, AND SERVICE PROJECTS.
AND, UM, WHAT THAT HAS THEN EVOLVED INTO IS INSTEAD OF A WHOLE 10 MILLION THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, UM, THAT IT WILL JUST BE PROJECT BY PROJECT THAT THE, UH, COUNTY LOOKS AT THIS FUNDING AND MAY OR MAY NOT WORK WITH THE CITY.
UH, AND SO WE HAVE, UM, INFORMATION, UH, SUFFICIENT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH ONE OF THOSE PROJECT ONE 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE.
UH, AND SO THAT IS ALL COMING AS ONE ITEM TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE 25TH BEFORE THEN IT WILL COME TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS ON THE 23RD.
UM, SO IT WILL BE TO RESCIND THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU SEE HERE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, WHICH IS WHY IT IS, UM, WHICH IS WHY IT IS BARRED.
AND ALSO BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT APPEARED PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN I L A COMING THROUGH.
UM, SO IF YOU LOOK BACK AT A PREVIOUS, I THINK THE 9 27 COUNCIL AGENDA, IT WAS PULLED WHEN COUNTY DECIDED, NO, LET'S DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
UM, SO THE LANGUAGE WAS REDLINED, SO WE DIDN'T WANNA BE, DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE CONFUSING.
UM, BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT CHANGE.
UM, AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT THE 23RD BRIEFING PRESENTATIONS, UM, OKAY, UH, WELL, THESE TITLES ARE, UH, I, SO I CORRECT THE TITLES A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT THE REALTIME REHOUSING DEEP DIVE, THAT'S, WE'RE COMING UP ON THE QUARTERLY ONE FOR HOUSING BOARD.
UM, THAT WILL OF COURSE COME TO THIS BODY AFTER IT COMES TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS.
I WILL SAY, UH, INTERESTING ONE THERE, BECAUSE AS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A VERY LONG TIME, WE HAVE SWITCHED FROM THE DALLAS REAL-TIME REHOUSING INITIATIVE TO THE LARGER SYSTEMWIDE HOUSING OF 6,000 PEOPLE TOTAL.
SO THE DECK IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE OF A SYSTEM-WIDE, UM, SCOPE.
AND I THINK YOU'LL BE REALLY, REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT TO SEE MORE OF THE, THE WHOLE PICTURE.
I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, OF WISH FOR THAT HERE.
UM, AND AIDS HEALTHCARE FOUNDATION DECK ACTUALLY IS NOT, IT'S NOT THAT.
IT'S A TEMPORARY HOUSING PROJECT, UM, WHICH IS WHAT THE DECK WILL BE CALLED.
AND THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO, UM, THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS IN SEPTEMBER.
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THEN WE WERE GOING TO BRIEF IT TO THIS GROUP, UH, BUT THEY DID ASK FOR IT TO COME BACK THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS SOLUTIONS.SO THEN IT'LL COME TO THIS GROUP IN NOVEMBER, IDEALLY.
UM, AND THEN MIRAMAR IS ACTUALLY, UH, 1950 FORT WORTH AVENUE.
IT IS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE MIRAMAR.
WE DON'T REFER TO IT THAT WAY ANYMORE.
UM, AND THAT'S GONNA BE DONE BY HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOOD REVITALIZATION.
SO WE WILL BRING AN UPDATE TO THIS GROUP, BUT WE WON'T BE DOING A FULL BRIEFING 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT OUR ITEM.
UM, COST SAVINGS IS SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THAT'S GONNA BE COMING TO H H SS FROM, UH, THE CONSORTIUM FOR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING THIS COMING MONTH.
THAT ACTUALLY CAME EARLIER THIS SUMMER, BUT WE RAN OUT OF TIME AND HAD TO, TO PUSH IT OFF TO ANOTHER EVENT.
UM, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK THROUGH THAT DECK WITH THIS GROUP AS WELL.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BE REALLY EXCITED BY WHAT YOU SEE.
UM, AND THEN THE YOUTH REPORT IS NOT LGBTQIA A PLUS SPECIFIC.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF MORE OF THE CITY TERMINOLOGY THAT WAS LOOKING AT LT LGBTQIA YOUTH AS A CARVE OUT FOR YOUTH HOMELESSNESS.
UM, BUT WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE IS HOUSING BOARD HAS DONE A NEEDS AND GAPS ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE HOMELESS, UH, YOUTH, AGAIN, 18 TO 24, ARE REALLY SAYING THAT THEY NEED IN THIS SPACE.
UM, AND SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN FOUND THERE, UM, AND, AND THE WAY FORWARD THAT HAS BEEN FORMED BY THE YOUTH ADVISORY BOARD, UM, IN PARTNERSHIP ON THAT THROUGH HOUSING FORWARD.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THEY HAVE RECEIVED OVER 9 MILLION, UH, IN HUD FUNDING, WHICH IS HISTORIC.
IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT OUR SYSTEM HAS RECEIVED THE GRANT, AND IT IS THE LARGEST GRANT IN THE US FOR THIS.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THAT.
SO WE'RE REALLY PACKED AGENDA.
UM, LOOKING FORWARD TO NOVEMBER WITH YOU GUYS.
I THINK THAT IS THE LAST THING.
I COVERED IT QUICKLY, BUT IT'S A LOT.
UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP TO, UH, COMMISSIONERS FOR, UH, QUESTIONS.
UH, LET'S DO, UM, TRY ONE AND A HALF MINUTES, UH, AND WE'LL TRY FIRST ROUND, UH, VICE CHAIR ORANGE
CHRISTINE CROSSLEY ON THE FAMILY GATEWAY, UH, ITEM.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT? NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE LEASE IS OVER WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND THEN SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT FACILITY, OR, OR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT? I'M NOT REAL CLEAR.
SO, UM, THE FACILITY IS JUST BEING TURNED BACK OVER.
IT IS, IT WAS A 49 YEAR OR A 49 YEAR LEASE.
UM, AND AT THE END OF THAT LEASE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAVE BEEN RENEWED.
UM, BUT THEY HAD ALREADY MOVED INTO THEIR NORTH DALLAS FACILITY.
AND SO INSTEAD OF RENEWING THE LEASE, THEY'RE HANDING IT BACK TO THE CITY.
AND SO AT THIS POINT, IT IS TURNED BACK OVER AS SURPLUS PROPERTY.
CITY DEPARTMENTS WILL LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO GET FIRST CRACK AT USING THIS PROPERTY FOR A CITY PURPOSE, OR NO, WE WOULDN'T.
UM, AND THEN FROM THERE, IF THERE'S NO INTEREST, IT COULD GO TO THE LARGER PUBLIC FOR PURCHASE.
SO IT'S, IT BECOMES A REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT PROPERTY.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? UH, COMMISSIONER GARNER, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
UH, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR CROSSLEY, MY ONLY QUESTION, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, THAT THE, UM, SEVEN 11 SOUTH ST.
'CAUSE I THINK ON DCA IT LISTED A DIFFERENT OWNER.
UM, I, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE D A SAYS, BUT, UH, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S CITY OWNED.
AND THEN THE TIMELINE FOR EXAMINING ITS NEW LAND USE, PERHAPS GETTING A NEW CO IF THEY'RE GONNA USE IT FOR SOMETHING OR SELLING IT.
WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR THAT SIX MONTHS, A YEAR WHEN THEY MAKE THAT DECISION? I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT.
I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT FOR YOU.
FROM REAL ESTATE, ALL I KNOW IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SURPLUS PROPERTY REPORT THAT GOES AROUND, UM, MONTHLY.
AND IF SOMEBODY'S INTERESTED, THEY CAN SAY, HEY, I'M INTERESTED, CAN WE DO A WALKTHROUGH? AND THEN IF THEY'RE NOT AFTER CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, I BELIEVE IT GOES TO PUBLIC SALE.
BUT WE CAN ASK FOR THAT TIMELINE.
AND IT IS JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARNER.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY.
UH, DIRECTOR CROSLEY, UM, REALLY QUICKLY HERE, SO I, I JUST WANNA UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE WITH THE I L A A LITTLE BETTER.
UM, AND SO IF YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO ME, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK, UM, BEFORE COUNCIL, AS OF THE 23RD, UH, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE CURRENT STATE OF THE I L A AGREEMENT FROM THE COUNTY PERSPECTIVE?
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SO, UM, THE COUNTY HAS APPROVED THAT THEY WILL GO ONE BY ONE ON PROJECTS, 2.5 MILLION EACH ACROSS, UH, EACH COUNTY DISTRICT AND APPROVE EACH ONE AT A TIME.UH, AND SO THE ORIGINAL INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR 10 MILLION IS NOT NEEDED.
UM, AND WE'RE, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT.
UH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF, OF COLLABORATING ON SOME PROJECTS IS STILL THERE, AND WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT SUPPORT.
UH, AND SO THE ONE THAT WILL BE, SO THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO THE BRIEF THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO H H SS IS SAYING, HEY, ON THE 25TH, SO TWO DAYS LATER, YOU ARE GOING TO SEE LANGUAGE THAT APPROVES RESCISSION OF THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION VOTE, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.
AND APPROVAL OF THE NEW WAY WE'RE DOING THINGS, WHICH IS JUST GONNA BE FOR THAT ONE STANDALONE PROJECT THAT WAS READY TO GO, WHICH IS 2.5 MILLION FOR 41 50 INDEPENDENCE DRIVE.
AND, UH, SO IN REFERENCE TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS, WHAT IS THE PLAN IN REFERENCE TO THE OTHER DISTRICTS? UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE IS IN EACH DISTRICT FOR A PROJECT, ASSESSING WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, UM, THAT MAYBE COULD USE AN INFUSION OF FUNDING THAT'S GOING ON.
OR IF, IF SOMETHING IS NOT THERE, WHAT IS THE INTEREST IN THE, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT IS THE INTEREST IN THE NEED IN THAT AREA? VERY SIMILAR, I THINK, TO AND IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING BY COUNCIL DISTRICT HERE IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT, YOU KNOW, BY DISTRICT, WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE NEED.
AND AS FAR AS THE, UM, THE INDEPENDENCE DRIVE PROJECT, DO YOU ANTICIPATE THAT THAT, THAT I L A AGREEMENT WILL GO THROUGH ON THE 25TH? I CAN'T SAY WHAT COUNCIL IS GOING TO DO, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT HAS, UM, BEEN SUPPORTED THROUGH AND THROUGH IN TERMS OF THE PROJECT.
UM, SO I, I DON'T SEE ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE THE WHOLE TIME.
UM, BUT AS I SAID, I, I CAN'T PREDICT WHAT WHAT COUNCIL WILL SAY.
AND WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AMOUNT? RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL NEEDS FOR THE PROJECT? UM, YEAH, AND THE TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT, THAT GIVES US AS WELL, FOR COMPLETION.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE OVERALL NEED IN TERMS OF RENOVATION IS.
UM, I DO THINK THIS IS CERTAINLY A HUGE HELP IN TERMS OF GETTING TO THE POINT THAT WE NEED TO BE AT.
UM, AND I THINK WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN USE TO, TO BRING MORE TO THE TABLE FOR THAT PROPERTY CHAIR.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY, HEARING NONE.
UM, DIRECTOR CROSLEY, I, I MAY HAVE A COUPLE MORE FOLLOW UP, BUT I'LL, I'LL REACH OUT TO YOU DIRECTLY ABOUT THAT.
UM, IN TURN, I GUESS LET ME ASK THE LAST QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON THOUGH.
UH, IS, WHAT, WHAT'S THE UPDATE TIMEFRAME FOR C H C WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THE READJUSTMENT TO THE I L A? SO NOVEMBER, UM, I, I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FRIDAY MEMO WILL BE SHARED WITH ALL COMMISSIONERS AS SOON AS IT COMES OUT, AS WILL THE H H S MATERIALS.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO COME BACK WITH THE FULL IMPACT IN NOVEMBER WITH THAT.
UM, AS WITH MOST OF THESE BRIEFINGS THAT YOU SEE, THE BRIEFING PRESENTATIONS.
UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT IS CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE OTHER PROJECTS.
UH, SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, AGAIN, WE WANNA KEEP A FINGER ON THE PULSE WITH.
UM, NOW, WELL, I SAID A LAST QUESTION.
I THINK THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE ALWAYS SHARED.
UM, NOW WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY HAS TO PARTY WITH THE, UH, EXCUSE, UM, HAS TO, UM, HAS TO WORK WITH THE CITY ON THAT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS.
UM, BUT YES, I MEAN, I, THE, THE INTENT IN THE LANGUAGE IS STILL THE SAME.
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OKAY.UM, SO WE DO APPRECIATE THAT PRESENTATION.
UM, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER UPDATES ON, ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES.
UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS THE DISCUSSION AND VOTE ON THE CITY OF DALLAS HOMELESSNESS ORGANIZATION'S POLICIES AND ENCAMPMENTS REPORT, OR THE HOPE REPORT.
UM, SO YOU SEE WE'RE VOTING ON A CITIZENS' HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION ASSESSMENT OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS CONTAINED WITHIN THE REPORT.
THIS IS TO RETURN TO OUR PREVIOUS, UM, UH, COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT THE REPORT.
AND, UM, HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED, UH, IS IF WE HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED BY COMMISSIONER GARNER, WHICH IS BASICALLY A SUM UP OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS THAT YOU HAD LAST MONTH, UM, WHICH LISTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS UNDER A CONSENT LIST AND A DISCUSSION LIST.
UM, SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO SEE HOW MANY OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN GET UNDER CONSENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AND OF COURSE, LEAVING THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, UH, TO REMAIN.
UH, SO YOU GUYS HAVE THE REPORT, OR I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE BROUGHT UP AS WELL.
AND, UM, YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT ITEMS ARE LISTED IN THEIR CATEGORIES, IN THEIR SUBJECT CATEGORIES.
SO INTERIM SOLUTIONS, INTERIM SHELTER, ET CETERA.
UH, AND UNDER EACH CATEGORY YOU HAVE, UH, THE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION ITEMS, AND THEY'LL EITHER BE LISTED AS A CONSENT ITEM, UH, OR A DISCUSSION ITEM.
UM, SO ALL YOU GUYS HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS GO THROUGH AND IDENTIFY FIRST OUR CONSENT LIST.
OKAY? SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH HERE, CONSENT ITEM BY CONSENT ITEM, JUST TO ENSURE THERE ARE NO ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE MOVED TO A DISCUSSION LIST.
ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE NO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, WE'LL STAY ON THAT CONSENT LIST.
WE CAN VOTE ON THAT LIST AS ONE.
OKAY? UH, WE'RE NOT, WE'LL TAKE THE VOTES AT THE END, UH, BUT THEN ONCE WE IDENTIFY THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO DISCUSSION ITEMS AND WE'LL GO THROUGH DISCUSSION.
UM, OF COURSE, BASED ON THE NUMBER OF THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF, UH, KNOWING THAT THIS, THIS WILL TAKE A MAJORITY OF OUR TIME.
UH, SO COMMISSIONER GARNER, WILL YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE CONSENT ITEMS? AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA IDENTIFY THE ITEM, ASK IF THERE'S ANY DISCUSSION.
IF THERE IS DISCUSSION, WE'RE GONNA MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION LIST.
EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THAT? UH, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE IT SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THE WHOLE CONSENT LIST.
WE CAN DETERMINE, UH, WHATEVER WE GOT FOR DISCUSSION IS ON DISCUSSION.
WHAT WE GOT UNDER CONSENT IS UNDER CONSENT, OKAY.
UM, MAY I HAVE THE FLOOR? OKAY.
UM, SO JUST SO I'M CLEAR HOW YOU WANT THIS PRESENTED IS WE'RE GONNA MOVE THROUGH ALL THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED AS CONSENT.
AND, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THESE WERE THE ITEMS THAT WERE DESIGNATED BY CHAIR KING, UM, AS, AS SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE ON THE CONSENT.
UM, AND IF THERE IS, IF YOU WANT DISCUSSION ON THIS CONSENT ITEM, THEN I'LL PRESENT IT AS A MOTION, AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE, MOVE IT TO, WE'LL DISCUSS.
OH, WE'LL JUST MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION.
WE'LL MOVE IT TO THE DISCUSSION.
SO THIS DOCUMENT, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, CREATE THIS DOCUMENT.
I HOPE THAT IT'S, UM, CONCISE AND UNDERSTANDABLE FOR ALL COMMISSIONERS.
I ALSO HOPE THAT THEY, UM, IT HAS BEEN, UM, EXAMINED AND, UH, IN YOUR SUBCOMMITTEES AS, UH, THE CHARGE OF OUR CHAIR IN OUR LAST MEETING, AND THAT YOU HAVE INPUT.
UM, SO WE WILL JUST MOVE THROUGH THE, PER THE CHAIR'S REQUEST, WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THE CONSENT ITEMS, UM, AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT MOVED THROUGH,
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UH, TO THE DISCUSSION, UM, JUST SAY, SO SPEAK UP, UH, CONSENT ITEM ONE, MOVE TO DISCUSSION.ITEM TWO, CONSENT ITEM THREE, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
AND LET ME BE CLEAR, EVERYBODY DOES HAVE THE DOCUMENT SO YOU CAN READ ALONG.
I WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE ITEM IS.
NUMBER SIX IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
NUMBER SEVEN, CONSENT ITEM, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER EIGHT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO DISCUSSION.
CONSENT ITEM NUMBER NINE, CONSENT, I'M SORRY, LISTED AS DISCUSSION ITEM IS NUMBER 10, CONSENT ITEM 11.
NUMBER 12 IS LISTED AS DISCUSSION NUMBER 13.
DISCUSSION NUMBER 14, CONSENT ITEM, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 15, DISCUSSION ITEM IS NUMBER 16, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 17, DISCUSSION.
ITEM NUMBER 17, OVER TO DISCUSSION CONSENT.
NUMBER 19 IS A DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER 20 HAS BEEN VOTED ON AND APPROVED IN THE MINUTES THAT WERE PRESENTED, UM, AND APPROVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, MEETING NUMBER, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 21.
ANYONE DISCUSSION, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 22.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO DISCUSSION CONSENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO DISCUSSION, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 24.
SO CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 24 IS MOVED OVER TO DISCUSSION CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 25, GET MY NOTES HERE.
CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 26, CONSENT ITEM NUMBER 27.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE OVER TO DISCUSSION AND CONSENT.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT ITEM NUMBER SIX IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION.
HOWEVER, UM, WE APPROVED THE, THE, IT WAS LISTED AS, UM, A MOTION THAT PASSED, UH, IN THE MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH.
THEREFORE, IT HAS BEEN VOTED ON, AND WE HAVE APPROVED IT IN THE MINUTES.
SO IT WILL BE TAKEN OFF THE DISCUSSION, BE OUT ON THAT.
IT WILL BE, UH, UH, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE APPROVED IT IN THE MEETING MINUTES, UM, FOR NUMBER FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH, UM, IT, IT IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS IS, THIS ONE IS DONE SO WELL.
THE, THE ISSUE WITH THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION, IF YOU REMEMBER, IT'S IN THE MEETING MINUTES.
YEAH, IT WAS RECALL IN THE MEETING MINUTES, BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HEAR THE WE THE MEETING MINUTES.
AND SO I, UM, I REVISITED THE TRANSCRIPT AND, UM, PROVIDED THE EXACT LANGUAGE OF THE MOTION AND, UM, SENT IT ON TO RENITA, AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE MEETING MINUTES.
AND WE, AND WE JUST APPROVED THAT.
SO, SO THAT WILL BE REMOVED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.
THAT IS, UM, IT'LL BE REMOVED.
IT IS NOW CONSIDERED PART, IT'S ALREADY VOTED ON, SO IT'S NOT PART OF THIS DOCUMENT.
AND THEN NUMBER, UM, THE ONE THAT WE ALREADY DOCU, UH, THAT WE ALREADY VOTED ON, THAT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING MINUTES THAT WE APPROVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS, UH, COMMISSION MEETING IS NUMBER 20.
SO NUMBER 20 AND NUMBER SIX ARE NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN, UM, DISCUSSED AND APPROVED, VOTED AND VOTED ON.
SO, UM, ANYTHING ELSE? CHAIR KING.
UM, I CAN PROVIDE A RECAP ON THE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION THAT WE VOTED ON IN THE MEETING MINUTES.
UH, UM, SO I'M REFERRING TO IF YOU'D LIKE TO FOLLOW ALONG THE SEPTEMBER 8TH MEETING MINUTES THAT WE VOTED ON AND APPROVED.
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CITIZENS HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION ASSESSMENT CONTAINED IN THE HOPE REPORT.AND THIS IS REFERRING TO THE DOCUMENT AS A WHOLE, UM, ITEM, A CITY OF DALLAS FUNCTION.
NUMBER THREE WAS TO THE, THE RECOMMENDATION IN THE CONTAINED IN THE HOPE REPORT WAS TO DISSOLVE THE CITIZENS' HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION AND THE DALLAS AREA PARTNERSHIP TO REDUCE RE REDUNDANCY.
A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER GARNER TO KEEP BOTH C H C AND D A P.
IT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER JAMES HAWK, THE MOTION PASSED BY UNANIMOUS APPROVAL.
THAT IS ITEM NUMBER 20 ON OUR, UH, AGENDA MATERIALS NUMBER, UH, ITEM SIX B, UM, ACTIONS TO INCREASE ACCESS TO TEMPORARY SHELTER AND ACCELERATE PERMANENT REHOUSING EFFORTS.
THIS WAS IDENTIFIED ON PAGE SEVEN, NUMBER FOUR OF THE HOPE REPORT, THE, THE COMPLETE HOPE REPORT.
UH, ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR, THE AMENDMENT WAS TO KEEP DALLAS DEVELOPMENT CODE CHAPTER 51, A LIMITATIONS ON EMERGENCY SHELTER BEDS WITHIN C B D AND ONE THIRD MILE OUTSIDE TO 1100, AND ESTABLISH ENHANCED CODE IN POLICE ENFORCEMENT AND GOOD NEIGHBOR REQUIREMENTS WITHIN EMERGENCY SHELTER AREA WHEREIN DEEDED AND ZONING RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED.
I MADE THE MOTION, IT WAS SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER, UH, JIM HAWK.
UH, AND WE PASSED SIX TO FOUR.
UM, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION LATER ON, UM, THAT, A MOTION TO TABLE, BUT BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY MADE THE MOTION, IT HAD BEEN VOTED ON, UM, CONSULTING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, THAT INITIAL MOTION, UH, PASSED AND STANDS.
SO THAT IS CONTAINED IN THE MEETING MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 8TH, WHICH WE ALL VOTED ON AND APPROVED.
SO I JUST WANNA READ THAT INTO THE RECORD.
THAT ITEM SIX, WHICH IS LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, AND ITEM 20, WHICH IS ALSO LISTED AS A DISCUSSION ITEM, ARE REMOVED FROM OUR VOTING, UM, MEETING TODAY, THE VOTING ITEMS TODAY.
WHAT WOULD YOU LET ME KNOW? OKAY.
UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO, SO WE, WE SHOULD HAVE A COMPLETE LIST OF ALL OF THE CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY.
AND WE'RE GONNA TAKE, UH, A VOTE ON THESE CONSENT ITEMS ALL AT ONCE.
UM, WE'LL DO THAT AFTER, UH, WE COMPLETE DISCUSSION TO SEE IF ANY OF THOSE MOVE ON TO CONSENT.
CAN YOU LIST THE CONSENT ITEMS PRIOR TO MOVING FORWARD? YES, WE, YES.
I, AND THEN THOSE ITEMS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED, SO THAT WE'LL HAVE THE NUMBERS.
SO CONSENT ITEM NUMBER, NUMBER NUMBER, ET CETERA.
CHAIR KING, WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST LIST THE ITEMS FOR CONSENT AS A MOTION SO THAT WE CAN JUST VOTE AND GET IT UP? NO, BECAUSE, UH, IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO GO TO CONSENT, I PREFER TO DO THAT DURING DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A COMPLETE LIST TO VOTE ON AT THE END INSTEAD OF HAVING TO TACK IT ON.
SO THE CONSENT ITEMS ARE, UH, ITEMS NUMBER ONE, TWO, AND THREE UNDER INTERIM SOLUTIONS, ITEMS FOUR, FIVE, UH, SIX AS AMENDED, SEVEN AND NINE UNDER, UH, INTERIM SHELTER.
UH, ITEMS UNDER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES, WE HAVE ITEMS 11, 14, AND 15, UH, UNDER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES AS WELL.
WE HAVE ITEM 16, I'M SORRY, ITEM, UH, 1817 IS ALSO DISCUSSED.
NO, 17, I THOUGHT WAS DRAWN OUT FOR DISCUSSION.
SO WE HAVE ITEM 18, 16, AND 17 ARE DISCUSSION ITEMS. OKAY.
UNDER, UH, MAINTENANCE OF CLOSING ENCAMPMENTS.
SO UNDER, UH, ELIMINATE DUPLICATIVE.
AND, UH, UNDER DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE HAVE CONSENT ITEM 21 AND CONSENT ITEM 25.
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UNDER BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, WE HAVE CONSENT ITEM 26 AND CONSENT ITEM 28.THOSE ARE OUR CONSENT ITEMS AT THIS TIME.
UH, AND SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GET INTO DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, SO THE FIRST ONE WE'LL GO TO IS I LISTED AS ITEM NUMBER EIGHT UNDER INTERIM SHELTER.
AND, UM, WHO BROUGHT IT UP FOR DISCUSSION? I DID COMMISSIONER GARNER.
SO READ THE CON, READ THE ITEM FIRST, AND THEN GIVE US, OKAY.
UM, I WILL READ THE DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT INTO THE RECORD, AND THEN OFFER AN AMENDMENT.
UM, NUMBER EIGHT, ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
UM, I MOVE TO AMEND THIS STATEMENT, UH, TO INCLUDE, UM, ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE IN CRIME FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS TO ADD THIS LANGUAGE FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
THAT'S, UH, YEAH, I MOVE TO AMEND.
I WOULD BEEN MOVED TO AMEND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, SO I MOVED TO AMEND RECOMMENDATION NUMBER EIGHT TO STATE ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
SO, ONE THING I, I THINK WANNA SAY, AND I'LL ASK YOU
AND USING THEIR WORDS IN THE REWORDING OF THE PROCESS, UH, IT SEEMS A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC TO ME.
WHAT I WOULD PREFER IS THAT WE SIMPLY HAVE A C H C STATEMENT ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO IF YOU WANNA SAY THE C H C, UH, RECOMMENDS THAT THIS LANGUAGE BE ADDED, UH, THE C H C RECOMMENDS THAT YOU ALSO CONSIDER.
YOU KNOW, AND THE, LIKE, I CAN, I CAN RESTATE.
SO IF, YEAH, THAT, AND JUST TO ALL COMMISSIONERS, IF WE COULD PRESENT IN THAT WAY, UH, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE ACCUMULATING THIS INFORMATION, IT ACCUMULATES TO A REPORT FROM US INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, REWORDING SOMEBODY ELSE'S, UH, LANGUAGE.
I, I MOVE TO AMEND, UH, THAT LANGUAGE BEING INCLUDED IN RECOMMENDATION NUMBER EIGHT, UM, TO ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENTS AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
SO IT'S, SO NOW WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSION.
IS IT RELATIVE TO THE SOMETHING? YEAH.
SO I, THEY, THEY, THEY, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT THE C H C RECOMMENDS THE ADDITION OF LANGUAGE TO ASSESS THE, THE DANGER TO THE, TO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THE ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN YOU, WHEN A COMMISSIONER IS MAKING A MOTION, PLEASE GIVE YOUR NAME AND WHEN YOU SECOND GIVE YOUR NAME SO THAT IT WILL BE PICKED UP ON THE TRANSCRIPTION.
DO WE NEED THEM TO REITERATE? WE HAVE RECORDED THAT COMMISSIONER GARNER MADE THE MOTION.
SO WE DO HAVE THAT RECORDED, BUT ALL, ALL COMMISSIONERS TAKE NOTE.
UM, IF YOU OFFER, UM, A MOTION TO STATE YOUR NAME, DO YOU OFFER TO SECOND STATE YOUR NAME AS WELL? OKAY.
SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO DISCUSSION.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION OF HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T ALREADY THE CASE? DO WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT THEY DON'T ALREADY USE THAT AS CRITERIA? I DON'T WANNA GO.
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WOULDN'T WANNA LOOK STUPID.I DON'T WANNA LOOK LIKE WE HAVE OUR PANTS DOWN OR ON OUR ANKLES, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT ALREADY EXISTS.
DO YOU POSE IT JUST IN AS A GENERAL QUESTION, UH, TO COMMISSIONER GARNER DIRECTLY SINCE YOU MADE THE MOTION THOUGH? YEAH.
I WOULD LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT I, BEFORE THIS GOES TO ANOTHER COMMITTEE, I JUST MAY, I RESPOND.
WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE RESPOND.
UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE, UM, ANY OF THE CO-CHAIRS HERE WHO WROTE THE REPORT TO PRESENT THAT, THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THEM.
SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE LANGUAGE THAT THEY HAVE INCLUDED IN THE REPORT.
I'VE COPY PASTED IT IN IDENTICAL LANGUAGE TO THIS.
SO WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE AS PRESENTED AND, UM, ADD LANGUAGE AS WE SEE FIT.
SO, UH, BUT I, DO I RESPECT YOUR, UM, YOUR COMMENT? YEAH.
WHAT I SAY ABOUT THAT, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, YOU, YOU'VE SEEN IT REPORTED TO US THAT THE CITY HAS TWO APPROACHES TO ENCAMPMENT DECO DECOMMISSIONING.
ONE, I WOULD SAY IS SOLELY BASED UPON THE DANGER OF VIOLENCE.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONE WE'VE SEEN WHERE, UH, THEY, I MEAN, IN A SENSE, IT'S MORE OF AN EMERGENCY DECOMMISSIONING, UM, AND IT'S HANDLED DIFFERENTLY AS IT MUST BE FROM THE OVERALL PROCESS THAT WE WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, AS THE MAINSTAY OF OUR OUTREACH, UH, WHICH IS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE TIME TO HAVE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS, ET CETERA.
SO I DO THINK THAT IN REGARD TO DECOMMISSIONING SECURITY IS ONE THING THAT THE CITY HAS KIND OF PRIORITIZED.
UM, AND, YOU KNOW, I, I WILL SAY MORE SECURITY OF, OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UM, AND IT'S ONE THAT I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A POLICY AND A PROCESS FOR WHEN THEY SEE ENDANGERMENT.
THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PARTITION STATEMENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T FORGET TO COUCH IT IN ITS ENTIRE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE REPORT WHEN YOU CONSIDER IT.
UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STATEMENT IS SAYING ONE OF THE PREEMINENT, UM, YOU KNOW, REASONS OR REASONINGS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
UM, I THINK THE THING TO BE CAREFUL OF IS THAT WHEN WE'RE SAYING ONE, WE'RE ALSO IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THE OTHERS? WELL, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE MAIN ONE? WHENEVER YOU HAVE LANGUAGE THAT SEPARATES THESE THINGS OUT, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THE REPORTS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCES IN THAT PARAGRAPH.
WHAT'S THE MAIN REASON FOR DECOMMISSIONING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? UH, IT JUST KIND OF BRINGS THAT UP.
SO THAT BECOMES A LITTLE DANGEROUS AS PEOPLE TEND TO LOOK AT BYTES OF LANGUAGE AS OPPOSED TO FULL CONTEXT.
BUT ULTIMATELY, I WOULD SAY YES, THE CITY DOES HAVE THAT CONSIDERATION.
THEY DO HAVE PROCESS FOR THE RELATIVITY OF NEED TO EMPHASIZE THAT OR FURTHER EMPHASIZE THAT.
UM, I, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S THERE, BUT, UH, I THINK THAT IS A MATTER OF OPINION.
UM, NOW I WILL SAY, I THINK THAT, THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF COMMISSIONER GARNER'S PROPOSAL OR, UH, PROPOSED AMENDMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POINT OF ADDITION IS TO SAY, TO CONSIDER THE DANGER TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.
UH, AND, AND IF I'M MISTAKEN IN THAT, CORRECT ME.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE VOTING ON THIS PARTICULAR RECOMMENDATION BEING OFFERED, THAT'S THE CONSIDERATION YOU'RE GIVING, IS THAT NECESSARY, UH, TO SPECIFY IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY SPECIFY? NOW, I DON'T WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN AS WELL, BECAUSE THAT IS THE POINT.
I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU'RE FOR MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE A HIGH PRIORITY.
UM, AND I MEAN THAT JUST THE, THE ENCAMPMENT DANGER IN GENERAL, AS OPPOSED TO SAYING, NO, WE NEED TO, NEED TO FOCUS MORE HIGHLY ON SOMETHING ELSE.
SO I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET LOST IN THE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY WE'RE RESPONDING TO THE FULL LANGUAGE OF THE RECOMMENDATION ITSELF.
UH, SO WHILE WE HAVE THIS AMENDMENT, WE'LL DEAL WITH THIS AMENDMENT, BUT I CAUTION ALL COMMISSIONERS AND MAKING AMENDMENTS NOT TO, NOT TO CROSS THOSE KIND OF LINES THAT REALLY PREVENT US FROM BEING ABLE TO ANSWER OR RECOMMEND ANOTHER POINT IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR STATEMENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
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UM, SO WHAT SHOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES, THE, THE MAIN PRIORITIES THAT PUSH DECOMMISSIONING, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN DANGER OF SOME TYPE IS ALWAYS A FACTOR, I THINK IS A DEBATABLE ISSUE.UH, BUT NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
SO THAT, I THINK THAT HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION IN FULL.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, ITEM? UH, COMMISSIONER BROWN, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I JUST REALLY WANNA CAUTION EVERYBODY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.
AND REMEMBER THAT WE ARE THE VOICE FOR THE HOMELESS, AND IT FEELS A LITTLE FOR IT TO BE COMING AS A RECOMMENDATION FOR US.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD EVEN REALLY JUST DIVE INTO.
I FEEL LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE AGAIN, SO I'M GLAD YOU SAID SOMETHING, BUT, UM, I THINK, LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, IF WE'RE GONNA START GOING THROUGH AND AMENDING, I THINK WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT OUR MESSAGE IS GONNA BE FOR A RECOMMENDATION VERSUS GOING THROUGH AND ADDING AMENDMENTS TO ALL OF THE VERBIAGE.
WE NEED TO JUST HAVE A UNITED FRONT OF THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANNA TACKLE, AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA ISSUE AS A RECOMMENDATION AS A WHOLE.
'CAUSE IF WE START DOING IT LIKE THIS, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA TAKE UP THE WHOLE MEETING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND ISSUE A WARNING WITH THIS SPECIFIC ONE.
WITH VIOLENCE BEING LISTED AS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS, I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF YOU GUYS GO OUT WHEN THEY ACTUALLY DO THE DECOMMISSIONINGS, OR IF YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED, BUT THIS ONE AFFECTS ME, AFFECTS DISTRICT SEVEN.
SO I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THINK ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE NOT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WHO ACTUALLY ARE BEING CALLED WHEN HOMELESSNESS ARE HAVING DECOMMISSIONS, AND WE'RE TRYING TO CLEAN UP WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ERA, YOU KNOW, SOME CAUTION RIGHT THERE, AND TO ALSO JUST PUT OUT THERE THAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO GO DOWN THE SAME RABBIT HOLE, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE USE AS MUCH OF THIS TIME TO ACTUALLY GET SOME WORK DONE TO PRE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PRESENT SOMETHING.
SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
I, UH, DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, DELINEATE, I GUESS, BETWEEN THE DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS.
UH, AND IT'S THE HEART PROGRAM.
I THINK THAT IS THE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, WHAT A THREE, FIVE TO SEVEN DAY RESPONSE INSTEAD OF THREE WEEKS.
AND I KNOW OF SEVERAL SITUATIONS IN MY DISTRICT WHERE THAT'S CRITICAL AND THAT THERE HAS BEEN VIOLENCE, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO THAT HEART RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED A RESPONSE QUICKER THAN THREE WEEKS.
SO I REALLY THINK THAT THAT'S GOTTA BE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE DISCUSSION, PART OF THE ASSESSMENT FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
SO, UM, LET ME REMIND PEOPLE WHAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE DISCUSSING, UH, AN AMENDMENT WHICH INCLUDES, UM, ASSESSMENT OF DANGER TO SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES AND BETTER MY LANGUAGES, YOU KNOW, JUST ADDING FOR THE ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
SO WHAT IT, WHAT THAT CREATES IS A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER, UM, FIRST ARE YOU FOR OR AGAINST, UM, THE LANGUAGE OF MAKING, UM, UM, PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS? ARE, ARE YOU FOR THAT OR ARE YOU AGAINST IT? OKAY.
UM, SO I THINK THAT, I MEAN, PROBABLY A BETTER WAY WOULD BE TO TAKE THAT VOTE FOR FIRST IS TO UP OR DOWN ON THE RECOMMENDATION, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU WOULD JUST PRESERVE YOUR MOTION.
CAN YOU DO THAT? OR DO YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE MOTION? DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME? YOUR MOTION'S ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW, IS THAT A MOTION? AND IT HAS BEEN SECONDED.
UM, DO YOU WANNA VOTE INDIVIDUALLY ON THIS OR DO YOU WANNA DO IT? WELL, AS THE ISSUE WITH THE DOCUMENT IS ALL VOTE ON, SO THE ISSUE OF VOTING ON THIS, THIS IS YOUR MEETING, SO YEAH.
SO THE ISSUE OF VOTING ON THAT MOTION THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED IS YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UH, EFFECTIVELY YOU'RE KEEPING THE LANGUAGE AND DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOL SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING, AND YOU'RE INSERTING THAT ADDITION, CORRECT? YES.
I'M INSERTING IT RIGHT AFTER, UM, CRIME
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FOR ENCAMPMENT RESIDENT AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.AMENDING THE LANGUAGE OR THE RECOMMENDATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE AS THE COMMISSION ARE VOTING ON, WHETHER WE RECOMMEND TO ADD THE LANGUAGE, UM, TO, TO THIS OVERALL RECOMMENDATION, WHICH MEANS, OF COURSE, APPROVING THAT RECOMMENDATION.
UM, EVERYBODY CLEAR? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED A COUNT.
UM, THE MOTION IS APPROVED, AND SO THE RECOMMENDATION BECOMES, GIVE US THE PHRASE ONE MORE TIME.
WE'RE ADDING THIS PHRASE, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, ENCAMPMENT DECOMMISSIONING PROTOCOLS SHOULD ASSESS THE PREVALENCE OF VIOLENCE AND CRIME, INSERT FOR ENCAMPMENT, RESIDENT, AND SOME SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AS ONE OF THE PREEMINENT REASONS FOR DECOMMISSIONING.
SO NOW, UM, THIS STATEMENT AS AMENDED GOES TO THE CONSENT LIST EFFECTIVELY.
IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND, UH, APPROVED.
NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM, IT'S UNDER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES.
UH, NUMBER 10, IMPLEMENT A SCORING SYSTEM TO ASSESS THE CAPACITY OF ORGANIZATIONS OR INDIVIDUALS TO UNDERTAKE NEW PROJECTS.
HIGHER SCORES WOULD RECEIVE EXPEDITED TREATMENT AND HAVE A GREATER LIKELIHOOD OF SUCCESS IN SECURING SUPPORT AND RESOURCES.
I OPEN THE FLOOR UP TO DISCUSSION.
ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVING, UM, ANY POSITION ON THE ITEM? AND UNLESS THERE'S A MOTION TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE, THEN WE'RE JUST VOTING UP OR DOWN ON THE RECORD RECOMMENDATION.
ANY DISCUSSION AROUND IT? COMMISSIONER GORDON? UM, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE, UH, TO MOVE THIS ITEM TO CONSENT AND ACCEPT AS IS COMMISSIONER HOUK.
WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS DISCUSSION.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE, I'M ASKING FOR DISCUSSION ON THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION.
WHO DID THE SECOND? COMMISSIONER HOCK.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMMISSIONER SAY HOUCK HO.
UM, NOW LET ME SAY BEFORE WE GO TO, WE, WE GO TO A MOTION TO MOVE IT.
WELL, NO, GO AHEAD AND DO THE MOTION AND THEN WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSION.
SO WE GOT THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GARNER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOUCK.
UM, ANY, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER'S WISHING DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SO LET ME SAY THAT THE, THE CONCERN I DO HAVE WITH THIS LANGUAGE, UM, IS THAT IT DOESN'T IDENTIFY WHAT THE SCORING SYSTEM IS.
UM, IT DOESN'T IDENTIFY HOW YOU QUALIFY FOR IT OR WHO COULD UNDERTAKE IT, UM, OR WHO'S SCORING.
BUT IT LEADS TO, UH, A SPECIALIZED CLASS IN A SENSE, IN TERMS OF ORGANIZATIONS RECEIVING GOVERNMENT FUNDING, UH, THAT THEY COULD HAVE AN EXPEDITED TREATMENT BECAUSE OF A PRIOR SCORE.
SO IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR WHAT CHANGES COULD HAVE OCCURRED WITH THAT ORGANIZATION FROM THE TIME THEY INITIALLY RECEIVED THE SCORE TO THE TIME THAT THEY'RE GETTING THE EXPEDITED SERVICE ON A FUTURE R F P.
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AND IT DOESN'T, AND THROUGH, THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE REPORT, THERE IS NO LANGUAGE THAT IN MY MIND, LEADS TO, UH, COLLABORATION BETWEEN LARGER ORGANIZATIONS AND SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH HAVE THEIR OWN DIFFICULTIES IN BEING ABLE TO APPLY FOR SUCH RFPS.SO TO ME, IT SETS THE DANGEROUS STANDARD, UH, A POSSIBILITY AT LEAST OF, UH, KIND OF SEPARATING THE PAC HERE AND BEING MORE PREVENTATIVE OF SMALLER ORGANIZATIONS' PARTICIPATION, WHICH, WHAT IS ULTIMATELY PUBLIC MONEY, THE PEOPLE'S DOLLARS.
UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
NOW, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF THOSE EXPEDITED ORGANIZATIONS HAD A REQUIREMENT TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH SUBCONTRACTORS OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT, OR THERE WAS SOMETHING EMBEDDED THAT ALLOWED FOR A REAL, UH, IMPLEMENTATION OF INCLUSION.
UH, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I JUST DON'T SEE THAT IN THE LANGUAGE OF THIS REPORT.
UH, SO I'M JUST DISCUSSING POINT OF ORDER.
UH, SO THAT, THAT'S MY TAKING POSITION ON IT.
I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE PROBLEM WITH A STREAMLINING PROCESS, BUT WITHOUT CERTAIN, UM, SAFEGUARDS, IT'S, IT, IT BECOMES A CONCERN TO ME.
RESPECTFULLY, UH, CHAIR KING, DO YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO BE SPECIFIC WITH THE LANGUAGE? AN AMENDMENT TO THE RECOMMENDATION? YEAH.
DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT WE COULD, UM, DISCUSS? NO.
NO, BECAUSE MY, MY AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN THIS PART OF THE LANGUAGE.
UH, AS I SAID, UH, THE WAY THAT THIS IS BROKEN DOWN, UM, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE.
I THINK THAT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AMENDING LANGUAGE SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE REPORT, OR WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AS A C H C, WHICH IS SOMETHING I'LL BRING UP LATER TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE EXPEDITED OR, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE CAPABLE OR ET CETERA, OR, UH, REQUIRED OR RECOMMENDED TO WORK WITH ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE A SMALLER SIZE, SMALLER BUDGET, THAT WOULD, THAT OVERALL WOULD MAKE ME FEEL A LOT SAFER ABOUT THIS TYPE OF, UH, SPECIALIZATION.
UH, SO CHAIR KING, I'D LIKE, LIKE, JUST CALL IT POINT ORDER HERE.
WE, WE, WE SEEM TO BE DRIFTING FROM DISCUSSION INTO RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND CHANGE.
I THINK WE CAN WELL, YOU ARE DISAGREE.
YOU'RE SUGGESTING CERTAIN THINGS YOU'D LIKE TO SEE FOR DIFFERENT ORGS.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IN DISCUSSION, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IF THAT MEANS YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR AMEND THE, THE WE'RE ON, WE'RE ON A MOTION THAT HAS A SPECIFIC CONTEXT.
I THINK WHAT YOU WANT IS A CHANGE TO THE MOTION.
WELL, LET ME STOP YOU SO WE DON'T WASTE TIME.
BECAUSE I WAS ASKED A QUESTION, DO I WANNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THIS STATEMENT? I WAS ANSWERING IT, WHICH I THINK I'M STILL ALLOWED TO DO.
SO IN MY ANSWER, I'M STATING WHY I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION ON THIS.
I WOULD SIMPLY VOTE IT UP OR DOWN.
UH, SO ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
NOW THAT YOU'VE MADE THAT POINT.
THE CONCERN, I BELIEVE, IS BECAUSE WITH YOU NOW GIVING YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES ON IT, IT EX IT, IT EXPANDS OUR THOUGHT PROCESSES TO WHY WE AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT NUMBER 10.
SO IT DOES CAUSE US TO, I'LL SAY ME, I WON'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY.
IT, CAUSE IT CAUSES ME TO SOMEWHAT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT STILL SOUNDS LIKE AN AMENDED WORDING, LIKE SOMETHING THAT, OR SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO RECOMMEND, UH, TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
HOWEVER, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER ADDITIONAL WORDING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SHARE WITH THEM.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT.
WELL, AS, AS I'M SAYING, I'M NOT SUGGESTING AN AMENDMENT HERE, IT'S JUST A VOTE.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT, BUT YOU'VE OPENED OUR MINDS NOW.
HAVING AN DISCUSSION, WELL, LET ME SAY FURTHER MM-HMM.
THERE'S A POINT AT WHICH WE CAN DO THAT.
AND SO MY SUGGESTION IS TO SIMPLY PUT IT THERE AS OPPOSED TO
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SAYING, WE RECOMMEND THIS REPORT BE CHANGED IN THIS WAY.I'M MAKING A COMMENT ON THE REPORT.
YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN? MM-HMM.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING ABOUT THAT.
I'M GONNA TAKE A UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THIS PARTICULAR THING AS IT RELATES TO THE REST OF THE REPORT, AS EVERY COMMISSIONER CAN, IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WE WANNA MAKE AS A COMMISSION IN OUR ASSESSMENT OF THE REPORT, WE CERTAINLY ARE ABLE TO DO THAT.
AND THAT WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE TIME AND POSITION FOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IF YOU UNDER, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY COMMENTS OR THE PROCESS? I CAN GET GOOD COMMENT, SIR.
UM, I COULD OFFER AN AMENDMENT TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CITY OR WHOEVER IS EVALUATING, UM, IMPLEMENTING A SCORING SYSTEM TO ASSESS THE CAPACITY, UM, MAKE AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO DO JUST THIS THING, TO EXPLORE IT.
WELL, AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S WHY I SAID I, I DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY GET INTO IT.
I WAS HOPING I WASN'T WORKING.
OKAY, THEN I'LL, I'LL WITHDRAW THAT AMENDMENT AND, UM, IF WE CAN JUST, WE CAN NEED TO DO AN UP DOWN VOTE, WE CAN DO THAT NOW.
ALL THE POLLS SAY NAYYY, NAY, NAY, UH, THE AYES HAVE IT.
AND TELL ME IF YOU CAN, THE PERSONS THAT VOTED NO, UH, GIVE THEIR NAME, PLEASE STATE THEIR NAME.
DAVID KING, CHAIR OWENS VOTED NO.
AND LET ME SAY THAT THIS IS HOPE.
HOW, WHAT I'M HOPING FOR IS THAT WE DON'T AMEND EVERY DISCUSSION ITEM.
UM, IF THAT'S NECESSARY, THAT'S FINE.
'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU MIGHT AGREE WITH IT WITH THIS CAVEAT, SO IT MAKES IT NECESSARY.
I WAS HOPING MORE OF AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON, ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN WE CAN, YOU KNOW, IF IF PEOPLE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY WANT TO GO INTO THE C H C ASSESSMENT, THEY CAN MAKE THAT AT THAT END.
UH, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL JUST WORK THROUGH IT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
SO, BUT ITEM 10 GOES TO THE, EFFECTIVELY GOES TO THE CONSENT LIST, AND WE HAVE THE, UH, VOTES ON THAT.
UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER 12.
ITEM FOUR, DISCUSSION IS NUMBER 12.
ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM THAT ENABLES DEVELOPERS AND NONPROFITS TO GAIN INITIAL EXPEDITED TIMELINES FOR ZONING APPROVAL FROM THIS CITY.
THIS WOULD GRANT THEM THE AUTHORITY TO PURSUE REAL ESTATE DEALS WITH ALIGNED VOUCHERS AND SERVICES, AND CAN HELP ACCELERATE THE PROGRESS OF THESE PROJECTS.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? COMMISSIONER GARNER.
UM, ITEM 12, UH, LOOPS INTO CONSENT.
UM, WHAT WE'VE MOVED TO DISCUSSION, WHICH IS ITEM 22 AND ITEM 23, WHICH ALL GOES INTO CONSTRUCTION AND BUILDING REGULATIONS, PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, THINGS THAT THE CITY AS A WHOLE WITH EVERY DEVELOPER, EVERY BUILDER, NOT JUST THE NONPROFITS, NOT JUST PERSONS WHO ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR HOMELESS.
THAT PLAYS INTO THE LARGER ARGUMENT.
I THINK, UH, THIS IS BEYOND OUR PURVIEW.
UM, ITEMS 1222 AND 23, IF YOU WANNA INCLUDE ALL OF THOSE.
AND, UM, AS FAR AS AMENDING IT, UM, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT, UM, THE CITY LOOK AT A, UM, EITHER AN AD HOC COMMITTEE OR SOME SORT OF AUDIT PROCESS OF THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENTS AS A WHOLE, UH, TO SEE WHERE THE, UM, WHERE, UM, PROCESSES ARE SILOED AND WHERE THE DELAYS ARE.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT JUST, UH, HOMELESS NONPROFITS TRYING TO DO THIS.
THIS IS PERSON TRYING TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
THIS IS A PERSON TRYING TO, UM, GET, UH, MULTIFAMILY HO HOUSING, UH, BUILT.
SO THIS IS BEYOND OUR PURVIEW, I BELIEVE.
SO MY SUGGESTION AS A WHOLE FOR ITEMS 20, UM, 12, AND I'M GONNA INCLUDE 22 AND 23 WAS, IS SOME SORT OF AUDIT OF THAT SYSTEM IN PARTICULAR, OR AD HOC COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING OF THE
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SORT.SO, UH, JUST TO BE CLEAR, A MOTION TO SAY YOU MOVED AT THE CITY AUDITS.
UM, OR, OR YOU, JUST SO I CAN, I CAN SAY, UM, LET'S SEE.
UM, I WOULD SAY, LET'S SEE WHAT, UH, GIVE ME JUST A SECOND.
SO AS A MEANS TO ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM, THE C H C AS A BODY RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY IN SOME CAPACITY AUDIT OR HAVE A TASK FORCE TO EVAL, EVALUATE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES.
LIKE I SAID, THIS IS OUT OF OUR PURVIEW.
CAN THAT BE REPEATED? PLEASE? CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOVE TO AMEND TO INCLUDE THE LANGUAGE IN AN EFFORT TO ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM? THE C H C AS A BODY RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY IN SOME CAPACITY PERFORM AN AUDIT OR ESTABLISH A TASK FORCE TO EVALUATE, UH, PERMITTING DEVELOPMENT, ZONING, APPROVALS FROM THE CITY, UH, PROCESSES AND NOT LIMITED TO THAT.
I COULD NOT LIST ANYMORE BECAUSE I'M, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT.
SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED.
UM, THE MOTION IS FOR AN AUDIT OF THE, OF THE, UM, THE CITY'S APPROVAL, UH, PROCESS.
UM, SO I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND SAY ANY, ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
MR. HOWELL? I WOULD JUST, UH, THIS COMMISSIONER HOW I'D LIKE TO JUST STATE THAT I APPRECIATE THE NU THE MOTION HERE IS REALLY ABOUT GETTING AWAY FROM TALKING TO THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR DEPTH TO UNDERSTAND.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ZONING PERMITTING PROCESSES THAT WHILE THEY IMPACT HOMELESS PEOPLE AND HOMELESS SITUATIONS AND HOMELESS CAMPS AND HOMELESS BUILDING, IF IT IS A BIGGER SITUATION.
AND I THINK THAT DALLAS AS A WHOLE HAS A BIGGER PROBLEM WITH ALL OF THIS.
SO IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO REALLY ENCOURAGE THIS AUDITING OR TASKFORCE PROCESS BECAUSE IT WOULD FIX A BIGGER PROBLEM.
WE CAN'T JUST FIX BY THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, YEAH, I HAVE TO SAY, I, I, UM, I'M NOT REALLY AGAINST THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ITEM, A PREAPPROVAL MECHANISM.
UM, AND, BUT WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS SAYING IS SIMPLY SET UP AN AUDIT OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM IN ORDER TO CREATE THE PREAPPROVAL, AN AUDIT OR TEST TASK FORCE OF SOME SORT.
UM, BASICALLY HOW WE CAME ABOUT AS A COMMISSION, THERE WAS A TASK FORCE AND AN, AND AN AUDIT THAT FOLLOWED.
AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE ESTABLISHED.
IT WAS, WE WERE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHERE THINGS WERE SILOED, PROCESSES WERE SILOED.
UM, IT WAS JUST AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PROCESSES AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO BE.
AND, UM, THE DAP CAME TO BE AND THE OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS WAS ESTABLISHED.
SO, UM, I COULD SEE THAT TRANSLATING TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE 'CAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE, UM, IN THE SAME MANNER.
SO TELL ME IN THE, ARE YOU SAYING THE AUDIT, SAYING THE TASK FORCE? YOU SAID SUGGESTING AN AUDIT AND OR A TASK FORCE.
UM, YEAH, BECAUSE I GO WITH THE AUDIT, THE TASK FORCE, UH, I THINK THE REASON, SORRY SIR.
UM, COMMISSIONER
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TASK FORCE IS SOMETIMES AN AUDIT WILL FIND THINGS, A TASK FORCE MAY NEED TO ADDRESS THE ENTIRE SCOPE OF THE PROBLEM AND TAKE IT A LOT FURTHER.YOU CAN AUDIT A SINGLE TEAM OR DEPARTMENT OR PROCESS MM-HMM.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM? OKAY.
UM, AND GIVE US THE MOTION ONE MORE TIME.
MS. ANGIE, CAN YOU READ WHAT I HAD STATED EARLIER? THANK YOU.
HOPEFULLY I GOT THIS CORRECT
WE'RE HERE TOGETHER TO WORK THROUGH IT.
NUMBER 12, SUGGESTION IS TO, UH, ESTABLISH A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM THAT ENABLES DEVELOPERS AND NONPROFITS TO BRING INITIAL EXPEDITED TIMELINES FOR ZONING APPROVAL FROM THE CITY.
RECOMMENDED RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY IS THE CITY OR THAT THE CITY PROVIDE AN AUDIT AND OR TASKFORCE YEAH.
AND OR TASK FORCE TO EVALUATE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES AS A WHOLE.
AND I WOULD LIST THOSE INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I, IT'S, YEAH, THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BE MORE BROAD.
PROVIDE AUDIT TASKFORCE TO EVALUATE PERMITS DEVELOPMENT, ZONING AND PROCESSES.
UM, AND YOU ADDED ALSO, UM, RECOMMEND AN AD HOC AUDITING, UM, COMMITTEE AND OR A TASK FORCE TO ASSESS, UH, UH, TASK FORCE ASSESSMENT, UH, FOR ASSESSMENT OF THE PROCESS.
RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY PROVIDE, PROVIDE AN AUDIT AND OR TASK FORCE AND OR AD HOC COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES TO INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ZONING, PERMITTING, DEVELOPMENT, ET CETERA.
TO INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
UM, FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE TWO, FOR THE PURPOSE OF ESTABLISHING A PRE-APPROVAL MECHANISM.
UM, QUESTION, CAN WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE OTHER TWO ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE SAME SUBJECT TO THE CONSENT FOLDER? WAS THAT 22 AND 23? WHO PULLED THAT FOR DISCUSSION? I, I PULLED THAT FROM DISCUSSION AND, UM, THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT AND UH, I SUPPORT THAT.
SO AGAIN, SAYING YOU WANT, WE CAN MOVE 1222 AND 23 TO THE CONSENT LIST? YEAH.
DOES SHE WANNA, DOES SHE WANNA MAKE THE, UM, GAIL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? NO, WE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO VOTE ON THAT AS A WHOLE TO MOVE IT OVER AS, AS WE TO THE, YOU MAKE IT AS AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR SHE WOULD, SHE'S MAKING THE AMENDMENT TO MY AMENDMENT TO YOUR AMENDMENT AND THEN WE VOTE ON THAT.
SO YOU'LL NEED A SECOND FOR THAT, THEN WE VOTE ON THAT AND IF IT PASSES, WE MOVE IT AS A WHOLE OVER TO THE CONSENT ITEMS. GOT IT.
SHAN, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MOTION THAT WE MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT JUST STATED BY COMMISSIONER GARNER TO TAKE ITEM NUMBER 22 AND 23
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AND, UH, MOVE THEM INTO THE CONSENT LIST AS WELL AS 12 SECOND LINDA GARNER.IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE AMEND THE CURRENT AMENDMENT TO STATE THAT WE WILL MOVE ITEM 1222 AND 23, CORRECT ON NUMBERS TO THE, TO THE CONSENT LIST IN ADDITION TO, UM, ADDING THE STATEMENT THAT THE, THAT THE ORIGINAL MISSION, UH, AMENDMENT COVERS.
ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? GOOD.
DID ANYBODY OPPOSE? LET ME CLARIFY.
UH, WE'LL MOVE 1223 AND 22
UH, NEXT ITEM FOR DISCUSSION NUMBER 13, DO NOT ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES FOR HOMELESS SERVICES AND HOUSING, BUT RATHER ENABLE THE PURCHASES OF SUCH FACILITIES BY NONPROFITS.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS NUMBER 13, UNDER CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES.
YOU GOT COMMISSIONER BROWN? YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
MY, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT ONCE A MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE BEFORE WE ADD ANOTHER MOTION.
'CAUSE WE'RE, THAT'S TAKING MORE TIME.
ONCE A MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT MOTION AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE AND PRESENT ANOTHER MOTION AND THEN VOTE ON THAT ONE.
THE, THE ONLY CAVEAT THAT YOU CAN'T AMEND THE STANDING AMENDMENT, SO THAT'S THE ONLY CAVEAT ON THAT, BUT I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
IS THAT THE ONLY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT? THOUGHT? OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER JACOB, DO YOU, DID YOU HAVE YOUR NO.
YOU, UH, YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED WHAT I HAD SAID.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU CAN ASK FOR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, UH, WITHOUT HAVING A VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
SO THAT'S ALL I WAS GONNA SAY.
UM, SO ITEM 13, AGAIN, DO NOT ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES FOR HOMELESS SERVICES AND HOUSING, BUT RATHER ENABLE THE PURCHASE OF SUCH FACILITIES BY NONPROFITS.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM NOW COM? COMMISSIONER BROWN, WERE YOU RAISING YOUR HAND AGAIN? OR, OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER SILHAN, I AM, UM, VERY WARY OF THIS ONE JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO OPEN.
UH, I MEAN, THE, THE KEY PHRASE IS ENABLE THE PURCHASES OF SUCH FACILITIES BY NONPROFITS WITHOUT SAYING HOW THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I MEAN, SO WE'RE GONNA JUST SHIFT THE MONEY FROM THE CITY TO THE NONPROFITS, AND THEN LET THE NONPROFITS PAY.
SO I WOULD JUST, IN THIS INSTANCE, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON THAT PARTICULAR AMENDMENT.
UM, COMMISSIONER GARNER, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
I'M FEELING THE SAME WAY ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS PROHIBITIVE LANGUAGE AND, UM, WE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION AND CONTEXT.
SO AS THIS RECOMMENDATION IS WORDED, I DO NOT SUPPORT IT.
ANY OTHER, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM? OKAY.
I, I'LL SIMPLY SAY I'M IN AGREEANCE.
UH, TO ME, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH THAT COULD BE SHROUDED BEHIND THAT KINDA LANGUAGE.
UM, I DO THINK A LOT MORE CLARITY WOULD BE NECESSARY.
UM, IT'S TYPE, IT'S LIKE A DEVIL IN THE, IN, IN THE DETAILS TYPE OF ISSUE.
UH, SO I WOULD BE, UM, I WOULD JUST BE IN FAVOR OF, UM, YOU KNOW, VOTING AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION.
UM, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE, IF THERE ARE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE SOME
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SUGGESTED LANGUAGE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO AMEND WITH, INSTEAD OF JUST VOTING IT DOWN OR VOTING IT FORWARD OR AGAINST IT.MS. ARE, DO YOU HAVE
SO VOTE AGAINST RECOMMENDATION AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION.
MOVE TO VOTE AGAINST RECOMMENDATION 13 AS A C H C BODY.
IT'S BEEN, UH, PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.
SO I, WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THIS AS A VOTE CHAIR.
SO HOW WE'RE GONNA PRESENT THIS IS IF YOU VOTE IN FAVOR, IF YOU VOTE YAY, YOU'RE VOTING FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO THE CONSENT, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU CAN VOTE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO GO TO CONSENT.
IF YOU'RE VOTING NAYYY, YOU'RE VOTING TO VOTE AGAINST, YOU'RE GOING THE RECOMMENDATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? YES.
YOU LIKE THIS RECOMMENDATION? NO.
WE AGREE WITH THE, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO EVERYBODY? YES.
UH, SO LET ME CALL FOR A VOTE.
ALL THE POLLS SAY NAYYY OR NO, RAISE YOUR HAND.
THE MOTION WAS TO NOT RECOMMEND.
SO VOTING YAY MEANS YOU SUPPORT NOT RECOMMENDING, NO.
SO MY MOTION WAS TO NOT RECOMMEND.
WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S MY MOTION THOUGH.
SO WE HAVE TO, I THINK WE HAVE A VOTE.
I THINK THE VOTE WAS AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATION.
SO CAN WE MOVE ON WITH THAT? YOU HAVE A QUESTION IN RELATION TO THIS PARTICULAR, UH, 13? YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW IT ANYBODY, BUT WE WERE ON THE NEWS, UH, THIS WEEK WITH THE CITY HAVING THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THAT ARE SITTING THERE AND DOING NOTHING.
THIS IS TO SPEAK TO THAT, I THINK, IN THEIR WAY.
SO I THINK THE SPIRIT OF IT IS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
IT'S JUST NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO, THEY'RE TRYING TO SWITCH DIRECTIONS AND SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A NONPROFIT AND YOU NEED A FACILITY AND LET US HELP YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SO I'LL JUST, WE DID TAKE THE VOTE ON IT.
UM, BUT POINT IS TO DISCUSS ALL OF THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS.
UM, WELL, I'M DISAGREEING WITH YOU, UH, AND WANNA MAKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO MAKE THE POINT.
UM, AND WHAT I'LL SAY AS WELL IS THAT THAT'S A SPECIFIC ITEM AND ISSUE THAT THE HOUSING COMMITTEE SHOULD TAKE FOCUS ON BECAUSE IT GOES DIRECTLY TO HOW WE DEAL WITH AND LOOK AT HOMELESS HOUSING AS A DEPARTMENT, UM, AND AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, IN CONJUNCTION WITH, WITH OTHER, UM, UM, MUNICIPALITIES OR FACILITIES.
SO THE QUESTION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE DEAL WITH INCREASING THE HOUSING AVAILABLE AND THE AVAILABLE SERVICES, THAT THAT IS VERY MUCH THE POINT AS TO HOW SHOULD, HOW SHOULD THE CITY GO ABOUT DOING THAT? UH, SO I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST MAKE THAT NOTE FOR, UH, THE HOUSING COMMITTEE AS A SPECIFIC ISSUE TO TAKE UP CONSIDERATION ON.
AND OF COURSE, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WHO, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CONTRIBUTION TOWARDS THAT, UM, WE MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SPACE TO DIRECT THAT THINKING TO SO THAT WE CAN BRING SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION, UH, BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
OKAY, SO NOW WE ARE, MAKE SURE WHERE WE'RE SECOND.
YEAH, THE 16 ON THE 16 UNDER, UNDER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES.
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NUMBER 16 IS PROMOTE PROACTIVE LEADERSHIP AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY PUSHBACK WHEN IT COMES TO HOMELESS SERVICES AND HOUSING INITIATIVES.ENCOURAGING OPEN COMMUNICATION AND DIALOGUE WITH NEIGHBORS IS CRUCIAL.
COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD ACTIVELY ENGAGE WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND ENSURE THAT THEY ARE WELL-INFORMED ABOUT THE GOOD NEIGHBOR REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH HOMELESS FACILITIES, AND ASSURE RESIDENTS THAT NEW SHELTERS, HOUSING, OR SERVICES ARE NOT ACCOMPANIED BY INCREASING CRIME OR DISORDER, INCLUDING GUARANTEEING ANY NECESSARY POLICE PRESENCE.
BY, BY FOSTERING TRANSPARENCY AND ADDRESSING CONCERNS, IT BECOMES POSSIBLE TO BUILD SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS FA FACILITATING THE SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
UH, AND I THINK THAT IT DOES TOUCH UPON A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT, THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
UM, SO I WILL, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO, UH, COMMISSIONERS WHO WISH TO COMMENT.
REMEMBER, UM, THIS IS THEIR, THE LANGUAGE OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S COMMENT ON ARE WE, ARE WE FOR THIS? ARE WE AGAINST IT? WHY, UM, AND DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE STATEMENT? OKAY.
UM, ANY COMMISSIONER WISHING TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM? YES.
UH, VICE CHAIR ORANGE, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.
I AM DEFINITELY IN AGREEMENT WITH PROACTIVE LEADERSHIP AMONG COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADDRESSING THE COMMUNITY PUSHBACK.
THE CONCERN I HAVE, BECAUSE I HAVE ATTENDED THE MEETINGS, IS, ALTHOUGH I AM A PERSON THAT LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY, JUST LIKE MY NEIGHBORS, I SOMETIMES FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNITY IS SOMETIMES GIVEN SO MUCH AUTHORITY THAT WE NEVER GET ANYWHERE WITH ASSISTING THE HOMELESS.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE, THEIR WHOLE MINDSET IS THEY'RE CRIMINALS.
MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE CRIMINALS OR THEY'RE GOING TO BRING CRIME TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, OR THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT WORSE.
THEY'RE GONNA BRING DOWN OUR, UM, OUR VALUE, OUR VALUE, ALL THOSE THINGS.
AND SO THIS ONE HERE IS A LITTLE HARDER TO RECOMMEND IN THE SENSE OF THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NECESSARY.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FULLY CONSENT TO IT, JUST BECAUSE I, I'VE SEEN THE, THE LACK OF SUPPORT, AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE SPEAKING FOR THE CITIZENS.
WE ARE SPEAKING FOR THE HOMELESS CITIZENS AS WELL.
AND SO WITHOUT THEM HAVING PLACES TO GO, AND WE'RE ALSO PUSHING OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HAVE LOCATIONS IN ALL OF THE DISTRICTS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS GROUP.
SO, UM, THE WORDING PART FOR ME IS, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT ALL WE'RE DOING, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN FULLY CONSENT TO IT, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE GIVE SO MUCH AUTHORITY TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE POINT WHERE WE GET NOTHING DONE IN THIS AREA.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE IT AS MUCH ON SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS AS MUCH AS WE DO HOMELESSNESS.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY.
UM, WELL, ONE THING I DO WANNA SAY ABOUT THIS, I AGREE WITH YOU, VICE CHAIR.
UM, I MEAN, I THINK THAT YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT, AND I KNOW THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF US HAVE PUSHED FOR OVER TIME, UM, IS THE MORE PROACTIVE ENGAGEMENT AROUND THIS ISSUE, UM, AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT THEY SUGGEST THIS AND THEN RECOMMEND THE DISSOLUTION OF THE C C H C BECAUSE, UH, IN MY 2 CENTS, AND I KNOW HEARD ME SAY THIS IN MANY COMMUNICATIONS BEFORE, THAT'S THE COMMUNICATION LINK BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL MEMBER.
UH, BETWEEN THE SENTIMENT THAT'S FOUND IN THE COMMUNITY
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AND THE FACTS THAT ARE FOUND WITHIN, UH, THE RESPONSE SYSTEM, UH, AND THE PEOPLE'S LIVES, THE LI THE, THE LITERAL REALITY OF PEOPLE'S LIVES.UM, TO ME, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, REALLY SPEAKS MORE TOWARDS AN INCREASED AND MORE ENGAGED ROLE FOR THE C O C C H C, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN IN SUPPORT OF, UH, AND CONTINUE TO BE IN SUPPORT OF, BECAUSE I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, DEALING WITH PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS SIMPLY A REALITY THAT YOU CAN'T AVOID, UH, THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.
AND, UH, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMUNICATION, THE CONVERSATION, UH, BASED AND FOUNDED UPON THE FACTS AND ALL PARTIES BEING INVOLVED, NOT JUST ONE SIDE OVER HERE, ANOTHER SIDE OVER HERE, HAVING THEIR OWN DISCUSSIONS.
UM, WE'VE SEEN THE KIND OF CONFLICTS THAT THAT PERCEPTION CAN BRING INTO THINGS, UH, IN TERMS OF GETTING THINGS DONE.
AS VICE CHAIR OWEN SAID, WE ALSO SEE THAT, UM, EFFECTIVELY, YOU KNOW, THE CITIZENS TO ME ARE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR, AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE A APPOINTED BY 'EM OR WORK FOR THEM, ET CETERA, ARE THERE BECAUSE OF THE CITIZENS.
SO, I, I JUST SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFICULTY IN DEALING WITH IT TIMES UP.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY IN DEALING WITH IT.
UM, I WOULD SAY VICE CHAIR, IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT SUGGESTION AS OPPOSED TO JUST AN UP OR DOWN VOTE ON THE LANGUAGE.
IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAS A COMMENT ON WHAT WE DO WITH THIS LANGUAGE, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO MAKE THE COMMENT.
UM, I HAVE, I AGREE WITH THE OVERALL SENTIMENT OF THIS AS FAR AS MAKING SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE LANGUAGE, UM, AS A BODY.
UM, I AM A LITTLE STUMPED ON THAT.
UM, I SEE THAT IT WANTS TO ENCOURAGE OPEN COMMUNICATION DIALOGUE WITH NEIGHBORS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS ACTIVELY ENGAGING.
I MEAN, IT, OTHER THAN MAKING SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS LIKE A TOWN HALL, REGULAR TOWN HALL, OR A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETING OF SOME SORT, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO AN UP VOTE FOR ME WOULD BE JUST SUPPORTING THE OVERALL SENTIMENT.
COMMISSIONER GARNER, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? OKAY.
AND IF, IF I COULD JUST, UH, SUGGEST WE CAN JUST TAKE A VOTE ON THE, ON THE RECOMMENDATION LANGUAGE, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN INDEPENDENT COMMENT CAN BE MADE, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THE C H C ASSESSMENT SAYING, THIS IS HOW THIS SHOULD BE DONE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST FOR ME, IT'S AN OBVIOUS THAT THE C H C IS A MAJOR VEHICLE FOR COMMUNICATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND WE CAN FIND A WAY TO EXPRESS THAT AS WE GET TO THAT, UH, POINT AFTER WE TAKE A VOTE ON THE CONSENT LIST.
CHAIR KING, MAY I ADD SOMETHING? SURE.
IT JUST DAWNED ON ME, WE COULD BE THAT PROMAC PROACTIVE LEADERSHIP HERE.
UM, SO, AND I THINK LEMME SAY THAT I KNOW MANY OF US HAVE BEEN.
UH, SO, SO IF, IF IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, SPECIFIC AMENDMENT FOR THAT.
UM, BUT AN UP VOTE FOR ME, WHICH I PLAN TO DO, WOULD, UM, ENTAIL THAT PARTLY, BUT I'M JUST GONNA JUST SAY THAT ON THE RECORD.
UM, BUT NOT AMEND THE RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE THAT LANGUAGE.
UM, WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND, UH, MOVE FORWARD.
WE CAN JUST PUT THAT LANGUAGE TOGETHER BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE END OF THIS AND, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN BRING THAT BAR BACK AS PART OF THE ASSESSMENT, THE FULL ASSESSMENT.
SO LET'S BRING THIS UP FOR A VOTE.
EITHER, UM, YOU'RE FOR THE RECOMMENDATION LANGUAGE OR AGAINST IT.
IF YOU'RE FORGED, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE
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YAY OR YES.IF YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE GONNA VOTE NAY OR NO? UH, IF YOU'RE FOR THE LANGUAGE, VOTE YES.
IF YOU'RE AGAINST IT, VOTE NO.
ALL IN FAVOR, UH, DISCUSSION ITEM 16 AS IS ALL IN FAVOR SAY YAY.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, THE YAYS HAVE IT.
UH, WE'LL ADOPT THAT RECOMMENDATION.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK WE'LL HAVE MAY HAVE A STATEMENT TO, TO, UH, ADD TO THE ASSESSMENT REGARDING THAT BY THE TIME WE GET THERE.
LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, LET'S SEE, ITEM 17 UNDER STREET OUTREACH.
UH, ITEM 17 PROVIDE OR ADVOCATE FOR FUNDING TO ENABLE THE C O C TO SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF OUTREACH POSITIONS TO BE FOCUSED ON GENERAL AND ENCAMPMENT OUTREACH.
DOING SO WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY ADVANCE THE GOAL OF REDUCING UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.
AND BY ALLOWING C O C AGENCIES TO EMPLOY THE OUTREACH WORKERS DIRECTLY, IT WOULD ENSURE THAT THEY REMAIN FOCUSED ON GENERAL AND ENCAMPMENT OUTREACH, RECEIVE CONSISTENT TRAINING AND UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF BOTH COLLABORATION AND DATA COLLECTION.
WE WERE IN, WE WERE, THERE WAS A, OKAY, WE WERE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.
UM, THE CONSISTENT TRAINING, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN WE'VE ASKED THEM TO SHOW US WHAT TRAINING LOOKED LIKE, WE'VE YET TO SEE THAT.
SO THAT WAS JUST SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT, JUST WANTING TO KNOW WHAT ACTUAL DOES JOB TRAINING LOOK LIKE COMING FROM HERE, AND WHAT ARE THE MATERIALS THEY RECEIVED? THAT WAS IT.
CHAIR, MAY I SPEAK TO? UM, I, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WAS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET, THE 16 OUTREACH WORKERS.
SO I THINK, I MEAN, WHETHER WE UP OR DOWN VOTE THIS, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT RELEVANT BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY ALREADY IN AN ACTUAL ITEM, UM, ACTIONABLE ITEM PER THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET.
AND I WOULD HOPE SOMEONE WOULD CORRECT ME IF IT DID NOT MAKE IT INTO THE FINAL.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THAT ANSWER ANYWAY? I THINK IT IS IN THE MANAGER'S, CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS AMENDING THE RECOMMENDATION AS THE C H C BODY, UH, WE COULD PROVIDE SPECIFICS ON WHAT THEY DO.
UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THE EXPERTS, SO I KNOW THEY, THEY ALREADY KNEW THEY NEEDED TO AUGMENT THEIR TEAM, SO THEY PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE SPECIFICS IN MIND OF WHAT THE TEAM WILL BE DOING BE DOING.
SO WE CAN JUST VOTE UP OR DOWN AT THIS POINT IF ANYONE IS IN AGREEMENT THAT, YEAH, I THINK, UM, YEAH, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT HEAVILY AS WE, AS WE'VE REVIEWED THE REAL TIME IMPLEMENTATION.
UM, AND SO WE'VE SEEN THE NEED FOR, UH, INCREASING THE NUMBER OF STREET OUTREACH WORKERS.
UM, WE'VE SEEN THE PLANS FOR THAT.
UH, UH, AND SO I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN CERTAINLY SAY OVERALL WE'VE BEEN IN FAVOR OF AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING GO THROUGH.
UH, SO I THINK WE COULD JUST TAKE AN UP OR DOWN VOTE.
I I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC POINTS LIKE THAT, LIKE AN ISSUE WITH THE TRAINING, UH, THAT, THAT SHOULD BECOME AN, UH, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL C H C RECOMMENDATION INVOLVED IN OUR FULL ASSESSMENT.
UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE CAN LANGUISH THAT AND WE CAN COME BACK TO.
SO YEAH, LET'S TAKE, UH, UH, UP OR DOWN VOTE AGAIN.
IF, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE VOTING YAY, YOU ARE VOTING FOR THE LANGUAGE OF THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU'RE VOTING NAY, YOU'RE VOTING AGAINST IT.
UM, SO ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, ITEM 17.
ANY OPPOSED? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
THAT MOVES ON TO, UH, CONSENT.
AND AGAIN, IF YOU ARE SEEING LANGUAGE THAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE A PART OF A C H C RECOMMENDATION, YOU MAY AGREE PARTIALLY OR MOSTLY WITH A PARTICULAR ITEM, OR THERE MAY BE A CAVEAT IF, YOU KNOW, WE NEED, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THIS, WE NEED TO DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS, YOU WANNA FORM THAT
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INTO A STATEMENT THAT WE CAN HEAR, UH, AND TAKE A VOTE ON.WE CAN HEAR THAT, UH, IF WE GO, GO AHEAD AND GET THROUGH THIS.
THE NEXT DISCUSSION ITEM IS UNDER MAINTENANCE OF CLOSED ENCAMPMENTS.
UH, NUMBER 19, ENSURE THAT FORMER ENCAMPMENTS ARE IMMEDIATELY FENCED WHERE POSSIBLE, AND THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CLOSURE REMAINS A PRIORITY FOR D P D.
VIGILANT PATROLS AND PROTECTION ARE ESPECIALLY CRITICAL IN AREAS THAT ARE UNABLE TO BE COMPLETELY FENCED UNDER OVERPASSES, JOE'S CREEK, ET CETERA.
AND SHE WAS, THAT WAS ALL THE LANGUAGE ON THERE.
SO ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? OKAY.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PROBLEM SO MUCH WITH THE, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS OUT OF LINE WITH WHAT POLICY ALREADY IS.
UM, I DO SEE THAT WE DO HAVE A CONTINUING PROBLEM OF, UM, OR DANGER IN CRIMINALIZING HOMELESSNESS.
THAT GIVES ME PAUSE AND CONCERN WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT ENFORCEMENT, UH, AND HOW THAT'S DONE.
UH, AND WHETHER WE'RE, UH, UH, WE, WE DO HAVE A STATE REGULATION THAT REQUIRES, UH, BASICALLY A LEGALIZES ENCAMPMENT, BUT HOW WE ENFORCE THAT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS, UH, BECOMES AN ISSUE.
UH, SO I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S, WELL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT BECOMES MY, I GUESS, AN OVERARCHING PROBLEM THAT MAY WARRANT SOME STATEMENT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS SPECIFIC CLAUSE? SO LET'S TAKE IT FOR A VOTE.
SAME WAY, ALL IN, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE LANGUAGE, YAY.
IF YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF THE LANGUAGE NAME, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, YAY, YAY, YAY, YAY.
ANY OPPOSED? NO ONE IS, YOU GOT ONE OPPOSED? I'M SORRY.
WHO'S OPPOSED? OH, SHE'S JUST, SHE'S ALWAYS LATE.
DID, DID I MISS SOMEBODY'S, SOMEBODY WHO'S VIRTUAL COMMISSIONER BROWN IS OPPOSED.
AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME STATEMENT YOU WANNA MAKE ABOUT THAT, I WOULD BE PUTTING THAT TOGETHER NOW.
SO ITEM 20 HAS ALREADY BEEN VOTED ON.
UM, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO, WE JUST GOT A COUPLE MORE HERE.
LET'S MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM 24 UNDER DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH STATES THE EXPAND, EXPAND THE RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS BY EMBRACING ATYPICAL HOUSING SOLUTIONS SUCH AS REGISTERED BOARDING HOMES OR GROUP HOMES, SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY SOLUTIONS, UH, SHARED HOUSING ARRANGEMENTS, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, TINY HOME VILLAGES, MICRO APARTMENTS AND RECOVERY HOUSING OPTIONS.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? WELL, AGAIN, WE WANTED TO ADD WRAPAROUND SERVICES RECOMMENDING THAT.
UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING THAT.
ALL I KNOW IS ARE WE SAYING THE NO, 'CAUSE YOU'RE SAYING TO VOTE ON IF WE CONSENT WITH IT OR NOT, BUT THAT IS MY SUGGESTION.
IF YOU HAVE AN AMENDMENT, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE IT AS A MOTION.
UH, SO IF YOU WANNA AMEND THE STATEMENT TO MM-HMM.
SECOND, WELL GIVE, GIVE US THE AMENDMENT.
UH, OUR AMENDMENT IS TO CREATE THE ADDITION OF WRAPAROUND
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SERVICES TO THE HOUSING OPTIONS.SO IT'S BEEN SO MOVED AND SECONDED TO ADD WRAPAROUND SERVICES, UH, TO ITEM 24.
UH, ANY DISCUSSION, COMMISSIONER ILHAN? I AM ALL FOR THE SPIRIT OF THIS, UH, PARAGRAPH, BUT THERE ARE SEVEN DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND I DON'T SEE THE CITY OF DALLAS NOR ANYBODY ELSE BEING ABLE TO ADD THAT MANY ADDITIONAL LIKE, CHANNELS OF HOUSING PEOPLE SUCCESSFUL.
SO, SO WHAT'S YOUR, ARE YOU I'M SAYING I I WILL VOTE NO, JUST BECAUSE OF THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE TYPES OF HOUSING THAT ARE LISTED HERE.
I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.
UH, MR. HOWELL? OH, JUST TO ADJUST THAT, I, I THINK THE, THE SPIRIT OF THIS WOULD BE THAT YOU HAVE THESE OPTIONS AVAILABLE, WHETHER YOU DO ALL SEVEN OR 12 OR 3000 DIFFERENT TIMES THAT COME UP, YOU AT LEAST HAVE THE OPTION, I THINK, TO BRING THESE TO LIFE IF THAT BECOMES A POSSIBILITY.
AND I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE, OF THE, THE STATEMENT IS REALLY THERE TO SAY, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO USE THESE DIFFERENT CAPABILITIES IF THEY'RE POSSIBLE.
I DON'T THINK THE INTENTION IS TO SAY, WE MUST USE ALL SEVEN.
UH,
AND YES, I'M, UH, WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING, UH, COMMISSIONER, HOW, UM, THAT IT'S JUST TO EXPAND OUR OPTIONS AND, UM, IF WE HARKEN BACK TO, UH, MAYOR RAWLINGS 2016 DALLAS COMMISSION ON HOMELESSNESS, SOME OF THESE LISTED, UH, SUCH AS BOARDING HOMES, GROUP HOMES, SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY SOLUTIONS, UM, AND SHARED HOUSING ARRANGEMENTS WERE A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION OF THAT TASK FORCE FINAL REPORT OF WHICH YOU WERE A PART.
SO IT'S JUST AUGMENTING THAT INITIAL RECOMMENDATION.
AND I DO SUPPORT THIS RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT REASON, AS A RANGE OF HOUSING OPTIONS.
ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, WHICH MUST SPEAK ON THE ITEM.
UM, I MEAN, I, I THINK YOU, A LOT OF THESE OPTIONS ARE IN EXISTENCE, UH, TO COMMISSIONER HAN POINT, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE BOARDING HOMES, REGISTERED BOARD HOMES, YOU GOT GROUP HOMES, YOU GOT SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY, YOU GOT SHARED HOUSING, UM, ACCESSORY DWELLING.
UH, BUT YOU, I MEAN, IT EXISTS WITH TINY HOME VILLAGES.
YOU DO HAVE SOME IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, YOU CAN HAVE SOME IN DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND, UH, MICRO APARTMENTS, RECOVERY HOUSING OFFICE.
SO THOSE THINGS EXIST IN SOME FORM OR FASHION.
UH, I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POINT OF THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR, FOR THEM TO EXIST, UH, BY CHANGING, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UH, ZONING, UH, ALLOWING FOR DIFFERENT BUILDING TYPES IN DIFFERENT AREAS, UH, AND THAT, THAT REALLY BECOMES THE ISSUE.
I WOULD SPECIFICALLY IN FAVOR OF UTILIZING BOARDING HOMES, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, AS A VIABLE OPTION.
WHAT YOU FIND IS THERE'S NOT A FUNDING TYPE THAT FITS IT.
AND SO VIABLE OPTIONS THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST GOTTA SIT THERE, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A VEHICLE FOR PAYING FOR IT.
UH, AND SO, YEAH, I, I WOULD BE IN, IN FAVOR OF, UM, THE STATEMENT.
UM, AND OF ALL OF THE TYPES, UH, AND I DO AGREE, IT'S, IT'S GENERALIST NOT THAT SPECIFIC, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH THESE THINGS DO.
BUT, UH, IN THE CURRENT MARKET, UH, NOW THE THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE, THE, UH, WRAPAROUND SERVICES,
UH, IT'S JUST THIS PARTICULAR SECTION SEEMS TO BE SPECIFIC TO A HOUSING TYPE MM-HMM.
UH, SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CRITICISM OF ADDITIONAL OF THE LANGUAGE HERE.
UH, BUT IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT THERE'S SOME OTHER, I
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JUST DIDN'T SEE IT ANYWHERE ELSE.SO THAT JUST LOOK LIKE ALPHABETICALLY.
SO AGAIN, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY POINT WITH THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT, UH, THAT IT JUST, IT DOESN'T FIT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING TYPES, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT I AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE CAN STRESS IS IMPORTANT MM-HMM.
UH, SO CHAIR OWENS, COULD YOU SPEAK UP PLEASE? I SAID NOW THAT THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THE WRAPAROUND SERVICES AND PLACE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, DO WE NEED TO NOW VOTE ON THAT OR, I THINK WE COULD JUST VOTE ON PUTTING IT SOME SOMEWHERE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T TAKE THE VOTE ON PUTTING IT HERE.
UH, BUT PARDON ME, SIR, POINT OF ORDER.
WE DO HAVE THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION OR VOTE ON WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.
SEE, YOU WANNA WITHDRAW IT OR MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
SO CURRENTLY THE MOTION WOULD BE TO ADD THE WRAPAROUND LANGUAGE HERE.
I WOULD LIKE TO STICK WITH THAT.
UM, ARE WE VOTING JUST TO INCLUDE REVEREND SERVICES? YES.
IN A SPECIFIC, I'M TRYING TO SEE, DO WE HAVE A WAY TO ADD IT? WHAT'S THE ACTUAL AMENDED LANGUAGE, UH, IN ADDITION TO WRAPAROUND SERVICES? THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT AFTER WE READ THE WHOLE THING.
AND THEN I SAID RECOMMENDING, IN ADDITION TO ADDING WRAPAROUND SERVICES, SORRY, HOUSING OPTIONS, ALL OF, CAN WE SAY LIKE THE AMENDMENT TO SAY LIKE, ALL OF WHICH WOULD INCLUDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES MM-HMM.
SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THAT ENTIRE STATEMENT ENDING WITH AND RECOVERY HOUSING OPTIONS, ALL OF WHICH TO INCLUDE WRAPAROUND SERVICES IF NEEDED.
EVERYBODY CLEAR ON THE, ON THE, UH, AMENDMENT WE'RE VOTING ON? OKAY.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT.
SO OUR LAST, MAKE SURE MM-HMM.
OUR LAST DISCUSSION ITEM TIME.
OUR LAST DISCUSSION ITEM IS, UH, NUMBER 27, UH, UNDER BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES, PRIORITIZE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS AMONGST, UH, HEALTHCARE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS RESPONSE SYSTEM, UH, JUSTICE SYSTEMS AND HOMELESS SERVICE PROVIDERS.
STRENGTHEN THE DALLAS DEFLECTION CENTERS CAPABILITIES AND PROMOTE CLOSER COLLABORATION WITH BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OUTREACH TEAMS AND SHELTER PROVIDERS IN ORDER TO FACILITATE ACCESS TO BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS STABILIZATION BEDS FOR INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WITH SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS, SUBSTANCE USE DISORDERS, OR, OR CO UH, CO-OCCURRING, UH, DISORDERS.
THIS APPROACH CAN HELP REDUCE UNNECESSARY EMERGENCY ROOM VISITS AND INTERACTIONS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT WHILE SUPPORTING HOUSING NAVIGATION EFFORTS.
MAY I START THE DISCUSSION? PLEASE? THANK YOU, CHAIR KING.
I PULLED THIS ITEM FOR DISCUSSION.
UM, MY RECOMMENDATION, UM, AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS OUT OF THE PURVIEW OF OUR COMMISSION AND THAT SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AND SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS SHOULD PROBABLY BE TREATED UNDER A DIFFERENT UMBRELLA OUTSIDE, WELL, WITHIN OFFICE OF HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.
UM, SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO EVALUATE,
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UM, THESE PROCESSES WITH AN AUDIT OR TASK FORCE.UM, AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF A NEW CITY DEPARTMENT FOCUSED ON MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE O H SS DEPARTMENT.
SO I MOVED TO AMEND RECOMMENDATION 27 THAT THE CITY, UH, EVALUATE AND AUDIT THESE, UH, THESE ITEMS WITHIN 27 WITH A TASK FORCE AND EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF A NEW CITY DEPARTMENT FOCUSED ON MENTAL HEALTH AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE O H S DEPARTMENT.
AND I KNOW THAT IT IS A BULK OF THE CHRONIC HOMELESS THAT WE SEE WHEN OUTREACH OFTEN GOES TO THEM.
THESE, THESE FOLKS WITH WHO ARE PROBAB, MORE THAN LIKELY INCAPABLE OF TAKING CARE OF THEMSELVES, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO SERVICES, AND THAT'S A BARRIER TO US HOUSING THEM.
RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO, UM, HAVE THIS AS A DISCUSSION AND EXPLORE THIS AS A POSSIBLE NEW CITY DEPARTMENT, UM, IN DEPTH, OR, I'M SORRY, EXPLORE IT WITH, UM, IN DEPTH WITH MAYBE ESTABLISHING SOME FACET OF A NEW CITY DEPARTMENT.
THAT WAY WE CAN TACKLE IT, UM, WITH MORE PROGRESSIVE POLICY, WITH MORE SUCCESSES.
SO THAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND THAT.
IS THERE A SECOND? COUNSELOR? HO SECOND.
SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
WE CAN OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION.
ANY COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE AMENDMENT? OKAY.
UM, SO I WANNA, I WANNA CLARIFY.
UM, SO LET ME SAY FIRSTLY, I DO SUPPORT THE LANGUAGE OF THE ITEM, UH, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZING COLLABORATIVE E EFFORTS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS.
UM, WE'VE SEEN THAT QUITE A BIT RECENTLY.
UH, I SHOULDN'T SAY QUITE A BIT, BUT WE'VE SEEN MORE OF IT RECENTLY.
UM, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH, UH, THE STREET OUTREACH PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, UM, WHETHER IT'S, UH, THROUGH, UH, THE DEFLECTION CENTER'S WORK, UH, THAT ARE PRESENTED TO US.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, SO WHAT, WELL, LEMME JUST SAY WHAT I, WHAT I TAKE THAT THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I TAKE THE STATEMENT TO MEAN IS TO PRIORITIZE THESE COLLABORATIVE EFFORTS THAT WE SEE, UM, FOCUS ON IMPROVING THOSE, UM, MAKE, MAKE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, THE PRIORITY OR THE FOCUS OF HOW WE ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
UM, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT YOUR AMENDMENT IS SUGGESTING IS, IS THAT WE DO AN AUDIT OF SPECIFICALLY WHAT, WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS, UH, 27 IS THAT IT, IT REALLY KIND OF HONES IN ON THE CHRONIC HOMELESS OR SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER.
AND I THINK WE ARE FAILING THAT GROUP, THAT SUBPOPULATION WITH THE CURRENT PROCESSES.
SO IT NEEDS TO BE EVALUATED AND, UM, WE NEED SOME SORT OF RESTRUCTURING, UM, OF HOW WE APPROACH THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
AND I THINK PERHAPS A TASK FORCE COULD ADDRESS THAT, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE GAPS AND, UM, AND THEN FROM THAT, EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF PERHAPS A NEW, UH, CITY DEPARTMENT OR, UM, A SPECIAL DEPARTMENT WITHIN O H S THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THAT.
'CAUSE I, I DO, I MEAN, AND, AND, UH, VICE CHAIR OWENS COULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE MORE INPUT ON, UM, WITH HER STREET OUTREACH THAT SHE KNOWS THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT JUST WON'T GO IN AND THE REASONS ARE SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AND OR SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS.
IT IS A HUGE BARRIER AND I REALLY THINK WE'RE FAILING THOSE INDIVIDUALS.
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OKAY.UM, IT'S A HUGE BARRIER TO GETTING THEM EVEN TO SHELTER, WHICH WOULD BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.
SEE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE ADDRESS A PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHICH IS WHETHER INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TREATMENT.
THAT TO ME IS A MUCH DIFFERENT THING THAN THEN HOW WE'RE FACILITATING OUR EFFORTS TOWARDS THOSE WHO ARE, WHO ARE SUFFERING MENTAL ILLNESS.
RIGHT? AND THEY COULD BE WEARING SIX JACKETS AND IT'S 110 DEGREES OUTSIDE AND THEY'RE SLEEPING ON CONCRETE.
WE KNOW THAT THAT PERSON NEEDS HELP, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SAY NO AND THEN OUR HELP STOPS THERE.
STREET OUTREACH CAN'T ASK THEIR NAME, THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO GO ANYWHERE.
THEY COULD BE AED, BUT I MEAN, I WELL, I UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I MEAN, WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS AN AUDIT OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM BECAUSE CURRENTLY PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE TREATMENT.
AND THAT TO ME JUST SOUNDS LIKE A, I I MEAN, TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE AN AN OVER, IT'S NOT, IT'S, IT'S NOT EVEN NECESSARILY AN OVERREACH BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT DIRECTION.
UH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A LEGAL ISSUE THAT I'M SURE IS QUITE DEBATABLE, UH, IN CERTAIN ARENAS, BUT NOT IN THE ARENA OF SERVICE PROVISION WITH THE EXISTING DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE THERE.
I COULD SEE IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, KNOW COLLABORATION IS ALLOWING FOR SOME TYPE OF, UH, YOU KNOW, CORRUPTION OR, OR, OR BREAKDOWN OF SERVICE PROVISION OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE, OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO PRIORITIZE IS THE PROBLEM, I GUESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
BUT YOU'RE, TO ME, YOU'RE IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING YOU VIEW AS A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF PEOPLE YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT TO, TO RECEIVE OR, OR TO REFUSE VERSUS THE SYSTEM OF, YOU KNOW, HANDLING PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOUR PROBLEM THAT YOU'RE IDENTIFYING IS ADDRESSED BY AN AUDIT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW AN AUDIT WOULD BENEFIT THIS OR TASK FORCE, JUST SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE GAPS ARE.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I SUGGEST THAT.
'CAUSE WE CAN GAIN A LOT FROM EVALUATING THE PROCESSES.
SO, UM, AND I DON'T HAVE, I'M NOT, I DON'T, I'M NOT, UM, I DON'T, I'M NOT SAVVY ENOUGH WITH THE LANGUAGE SPECIFIC TO SUBSTANCE USE DISORDER AND SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS TO MAKE SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS.
THAT'S WHY I'M GIVING MORE BROAD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE CITY UNDERTAKES SOME SORT OF EVALUATION TO LOOK AT THESE PROCESSES SPECIFICALLY, SEE HOW THEY'RE SILOED, SEE WHERE WE'RE HITTING OUR BARRIERS SO THAT WE CAN PIVOT.
AND, EXCUSE ME, CHAIR KING, UH, MR. CHAIR AT THIS TIME, YOU ARE OUT OF TIME.
YOU CAN EITHER MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING AND HAVE A PASS THROUGH VOTE FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME, OR WE HAVE TO END.
UH, SO WHAT, LET'S DO THIS, UH, I'LL CALL FOR A MOTION TO EXTEND IN ORDER TO, UH, TAKE THE VOTE ON THE CONSENT LIST.
UM, CAN WE TAKE A QUICK VOTE ON THIS LAST ITEM? THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WE HAVE TO ADDRESS FIRST.
SO JUST UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE LAST ITEM BEFORE THAT CONSENT LIST.
SO, UH, I'M GONNA CALL FOR, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION FOR VOTE TO EXTEND.
AS LONG AS WE PUT A LIMIT ON THAT TIME TO EXTEND.
UH, WE'RE GOING TO EXTEND FOR 12 MINUTES.
UH, SO IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
UH, SO I THINK THAT PUTS US AT FIVE 20.
WAS IT 5 0 8 WHEN I SAID IT? LET'S JUST JUST SAY 5 0 9.
UM, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.
I WILL SUPPORT THE, I DO SUPPORT THE, UH, THE LANGUAGE, UH, THE CURRENT LANGUAGE.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IS THE A, A AMENDMENT
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TO CALL FOR AN AUDIT OR TASK FORCE TO REVIEW THE, UH, THE PROCESSES.WE'LL PULL, WE'LL PULL THAT TRANS FROM THE TRANSCRIPT.
SO JUST IN THE BEST FOR THE INTEREST OF TIME, LET'S, WE'LL PULL THAT FROM THE TRANSCRIPT.
I THINK BASED ON THE DISCUSSION, EVERYBODY'S KIND OF GOT THE GIST OF WHAT I WAS, UM, YEAH.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL CALL FULL VOTE.
BE CLEAR ON WHAT YOU'RE VOTING FOR COMMISSION.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION AND THE TIME IS NOT OPPOSED, OR WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON.
SO WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT MADE BY COMMISSIONER GARNER.
SO WE'RE NOT SAYING IF WE'RE IN FAVOR OF 27 LIKE IT IS, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT, WHICH IS TO DO AN AUDIT OR TASK FORCE OF THE, UM, THE PROCESSES, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OUTREACH PROCESSES.
DO WE HAVE, DID WE HAVE EVERYBODY VOTE? OKAY.
DID YOU GET THE VOTE? WHAT WAS IT? NO, THERE WERE TWO NAYS,
ILHAN IS NAT THE OTHER NA DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING BECAUSE WE WEREN'T DONE.
UH, SO THAT'S THE LAST DISCUSSION ITEM.
SO NOW WE DO HAVE, UH, OUR CONSENT LIST.
UM, NOW LET ME ASK THOUGH, THE LAST AMENDMENT, YOU, YOU, YOU ADMITTED TO DO AN AUDIT THAT THAT AMENDMENT PASSED AND THEN WE TAKE ANOTHER VOTE TO MOVE THAT AS AMENDED OVER TO THE CONSENT ITEMS. OKAY.
SO YOU'RE NOT REALLY AMENDING THE STATEMENT, RIGHT? YOU CALL IT FOR AN AUDIT? UM, SURE.
WELL, WE AMENDED THE RECOMMENDATION THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROPER VERBIAGE AND THEN IT PASSED AND THEN WE VOTE ON THE RECOMMENDATION WITH THE AMENDMENT TO MOVE OVER TO THE CONSENT ITEMS. RIGHT.
MY QUESTION, WHAT'S THE NEXT ONE? MY QUESTION IS, YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE, CORRECT? I DID NOT.
WE JUST AMENDED TO ASK FOR YEAH.
SO, UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 27 TO THE CONSENT LIST, UM, AS AMENDED.
SECONDED, UH, COMMISSIONER HOUCK.
OKAY, SO IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED.
ANY OPPOSED? COMMISSIONER SOHAN.
OKAY FOLKS, SO LAST VOTE WE'LL TAKE TODAY.
UM, THIS IS ON THE CONSENT LIST.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE SIMPLY VOTING TO, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT LIST, UH, OR TO DENY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE, UH, PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE CONSENT LIST AS WE HAVE ALL AGREED.
UH, SECOND CORONER, I'M GONNA MAKE A, LEMME MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, LET'S MOVE TO THE CONSENT LIST.
UM, AS AGREED WE WILL ALLOW FOR, UM, COMMISSIONERS TO MAKE INDIVIDUAL STATEMENTS ABOUT INDIVIDUAL RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FINAL ASSESSMENT.
I AM FINE WITH THAT FOR THE AMENDMENT.
SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WE'RE VOTING ON APPROVING THE CONSENT LIST WHILE ALLOWING FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER TO MAKE ANY INDIVIDUAL STATEMENT ABOUT ANY OF THE ITEMS ON THE LIST.
MAY I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT? THEY DO THAT AS A CITIZEN, NOT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF C H C.
THEY DO THAT AS A COMMISSIONER? NO,
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THAT THEIR, THAT'S, THAT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING WE JUST DID.SO YOU'RE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE GO, WELL, LEMME SAY THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A VOTING BODY THAT COMMISSIONERS, JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE A A A, A A VOTE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING DOESN'T MEAN EV IT DOESN'T EVER MEAN WE'RE UNANIMOUS.
AND THAT COMMISSIONERS HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A DISSENT IF THEY WANT TO PRESENT THEIR OPPOSING OPINION AS TO WHY THEY PARTICULARLY DIDN'T AGREE.
I GUESS WHERE I'M CONFUSED, IN WHAT FORM DO THEY PRESENT THEIR DISSENTING OPINION? THAT'S WHAT I'M CONFUSED IN.
IN WHAT FORM? IN AN EMAIL INDIVIDUALLY OR TO BE ADDED TO THE REPORT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARITY THAT WE'RE NOT HERE RIGHT NOW,
ARE WE, ARE WE CLEAR NOW? YES, SIR.
SO DO YOU WANNA JUST RESTATE THAT WITH, SO AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE OF IT, THE AMENDMENT IS TO APPROVE.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE CONSENT LIST, UH, WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT ANY COMMISSIONER CAN ADD A COMMENT ABOUT A PARTICULAR ITEM TO THE FINAL REPORT.
ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.
THE CONSENT LIST IS APPROVED AS AMENDED.
UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE ABLE TO, UH, MAKE YOUR INDIVIDUAL STATEMENTS.
I KNOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE DIFFERENT POSITIONS IN ON DIFFERENT ONES OF THEM.
UH, SO DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE ON WHEN YOU WANT THOSE INDIVIDUAL? WE'LL, JUST ABOUT TO GIVE IT.
SO, UH, WE'RE GONNA GIVE, UH, LEMME LOOK AT THE CALENDAR HERE.
UH, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GIVE, UH, ONE WEEK FOR CONSENT, UH, FOR ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS REGARDING THE REPORT.
I'LL ASK YOU TO TRY TO HAVE THEM IN BY THE END OF THE WEEKEND, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN BE ADAPTED IN.
UM, SO AGAIN, YOU CAN READ THROUGH THE REPORT, ANY SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT YOU KIND OF APPROVE THAT HAD A PROBLEM WITH, OR YOU TAKE THIS DIFFERENT POSITION, ET CETERA.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ALSO, UH, ASK THAT WE TABLE THE FINAL TWO ITEMS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE TO ADJOURNMENT.
UH, THE FINAL TWO ITEMS WE HAD WERE, UM, PROPOSED ITEMS FOR NEXT AND FUTURE MEETINGS.
UH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TABLE THIS, WE CAN JUST
WE'LL ADDRESS THESE OTHER ITEMS AT OUR FOLLOWING MEETING.