[2. 23-2666 Consideration of appointments to boards and commissions and the evaluation and duties of board and commission members (List of nominees is available in the City Secretary's Office)]

THIS MORNING YOU HAVE INDIVIDUAL AND FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS.

I'LL READ THOSE NOMINEES.

YOUR NOMINEES FOR INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENT TO THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMISSION.

SANA SAEED IS BEING NOMINATED BY MARY JOHNSON AND STEPHANIE CASEY IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY.

BOTH INDIVIDUALS MEET THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE ARTS, CULTURE AND ADVISORY COMMISSION DAVID SMALL IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR JOHNSON. MR. SMALL MEETS THE PERFORMING ARTS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

GRACE GLOVER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

MISS GLOVER MEETS THE VISUAL ARTS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION AND JAMES DANIEL IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

MR. DANIEL ALSO MEETS THE VISUAL ARTS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.

SARAH LAMB IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

TO THE CITIZEN HOMELESSNESS COMMISSION.

MITCHELL. BOONE IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON.

MR. BOONE MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC SPECIAL QUALIFICATION AND WESLEY KEYS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

MR. KEYS ALSO MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE CITY PLAN AND ZONING COMMISSION.

NEIL SLEEPER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON.

TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARD.

ADJUNCT MEMBERS ALTHEA HARRINGTON IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ.

MS.. HARRINGTON MEETS THE FIVE PLUS YEARS OF PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE COMMISSION ON DISABILITIES.

BEVERLY WHITE IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON.

MS.. WHITE MEETS THE COMMITTED TO COMMUNITY OF DISABLED PERSONS SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE COMMUNITY POLICE OVERSIGHT BOARD.

WALTER HIGGINS IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER GRACEY AND ALLISON GRINTER ALLEN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BLACKMON.

TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

ANDREW SEGAL IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER STEWART.

MR. SEGAL MEETS THE GENERAL PUBLIC SPECIAL QUALIFICATION TO THE JUDICIAL NOMINATING COMMISSION.

KATRINA JOHNSON IS BEING NOMINATED BY MAYOR PRO TEM ATKINS.

TO THE MARTIN LUTHER KING JUNIOR COMMUNITY CENTER BOARD.

ALEXIS COOK IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ.

TO THE MUNICIPAL LIBRARY BOARD.

RAPHAEL MCINTYRE IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ TO THE PARK AND RECREATION BOARD.

JEFFREY KITTNER IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ.

TO THE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPEAL BOARD.

LAURA BAEZ TORRES IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER NARVAEZ TO THE VETERAN AFFAIRS COMMISSION.

GAYLORD SHERMAN IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RESENDEZ AND PETER SMITH IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY.

BOTH MEETS THE SERVED IN US MILITARY SPECIAL QUALIFICATION.

YOUR NOMINEES FOR FULL COUNCIL APPOINTMENT TO THE CYPRESS WATERS MUNICIPAL MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

GEORGE SIMPSON IS BEING NOMINATED BY MEMBER NARVAEZ TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE THREE BOARD, OAK CLIFF GATEWAY.

HESUS PONTI IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST AND TO THE REINVESTMENT ZONE 17 BOARD.

TODD KEVIN RACHEL IS BEING NOMINATED BY COUNCIL MEMBER WEST.

THESE ARE YOUR NOMINEES, MR. MAYOR. I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

I HEARD A MOTION AND A SECOND.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING AND HEARING. NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT.

THE NOMINEES ARE APPROVED.

MR. MAYOR, YOUR BRIEFINGS CONTINUE.

WONDERFUL. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR CITY MANAGER NOW TO WALK US THROUGH.

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THANK YOU. THE WORK PLAN FOR TODAY.

YES. AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING THE ITEMS OUT OF ORDER.

AND WE'RE GOING TO START WITH ITEM B, THEN GO TO ITEM A AND THEN ITEM C.

[B. 23-2528 Streetcar Status Update]

AND SO TODAY THE FIRST BRIEFING THAT WILL BE UP WILL BE OUR DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, DR.

GUS KOMKALI, JOINED BY EVAN SHEETS, VICE PRESIDENT OF PLANNING AND POLICY OF THE DOWNTOWN DALLAS INC.

WE'LL BE BRIEFING YOU ON THE HISTORY OF THE DALLAS STREETCAR SYSTEM, ONGOING TASKS TO MOVE FORWARD, THE CENTRAL LINK STREETCAR AND PROPOSED NEXT STEPS.

I WILL TURN IT OVER TO GUS AND EVAN FOR THE PRESENTATION.

GUS. THANK YOU, MR. CITY MANAGER, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

GOOD MORNING, GUS MCCARLEY, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO THIS MORNING, WE WILL BE PRESENTING THE RECAP OF THE HISTORY OF THE DALLAS STREETCAR SYSTEM, DISCUSS THE CHALLENGES WITH THE MOVING THE CENTRAL LINK STREETCAR FORWARD, THE LESSONS LEARNED SO FAR, AND THE PROPOSED NEXT STEPS.

SO GOING THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OVERVIEW, THE REVIEW OF THE STREETCAR PHASES, THE BACKGROUND OF THE HISTORY OF HOW IT STARTED AND WHERE WE ARE HERE IN A IN A BRIEF MANNER, AND THEN THE CHALLENGES, LESSONS LEARNED AND THE PROPOSED NEXT STEP.

SO WE HAVE PROVIDED HERE A ON THE SCREEN A HIGH LEVEL MAP OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT EXISTS, WHICH IS BASICALLY THE STREETCAR THAT SHOWS THAT GOES FROM THE UNION STATION DOWN TO THE BISHOP ARTS, AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED OMNI CONVENTION CENTER LOOP.

WE ALSO SHOWS SHOWS ON THIS MAP THE M LINE SYSTEM AND THE DART LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM.

SO WHAT WE ARE SHOWING IN DOTTED GREEN IS THE PROPOSED CENTRAL LINK THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE BOOK.

AS PER THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION, HOWEVER, WE'RE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW, AS WILL BE DISCUSSED HERE IN THE PRESENTATION.

SO NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO GOING BACK TO 2005, THERE WAS A COMPREHENSIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR THE DALLAS CENTRAL DISTRICT AND RECOMMENDED A DOWNTOWN STREETCAR CIRCULATION SYSTEM SO THAT IT EXTENDS TO THE MCKINNEY TROLLEY INTO DOWNTOWN.

IN 2009, THERE WAS A BRIEFING TO THE TRANSPORTATION AND ENVIRONMENT COMMITTEE, AND SOME OF THE GOALS THAT WERE LISTED AT THAT TIME WAS.

NUMBER ONE, IMPROVE LIVABILITY OF DOWNTOWN DALLAS, PROVIDE PREDICTABLE CIRCULATION BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND ATTRACTIONS, SERVE AS A FEEDER AND A DISTRIBUTOR OF LIGHT RAIL TRIPS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN, AND SERVE AS A BASE ROUTE FOR FUTURE STREETCAR EXPANSION.

FURTHER, THE BRIEFING IN 2009 TALKED ABOUT THE ALIGNMENT SCREENING CRITERIA, WHICH PRIMARILY INCLUDED TRANSIT CONNECTIVITY AND CONNECTIVITY TO MAJOR ATTRACTIONS AND INCLUDED THE ELEMENT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, POTENTIAL CAPITAL COSTS AND THE OPERATING COST AND THE RIDERSHIP.

THE PRESENTATION NOTED THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AT THAT TIME IS THAT THE THE SYSTEM TO BE CITY OWNED AND OPERATED BY DART.

BY AGREEMENT, THE CITY WOULD OWN AND MAINTAIN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND DART BY AGREEMENT WITH DESIGN THE SYSTEM, PROCURE THE VEHICLES AND CONTRACT FOR CONSTRUCTION, OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THE STREETCAR SYSTEM.

SO IN 2009, THE FEDERAL GRANT APPLICATIONS WERE SUBMITTED FOR THE STREETCAR PROJECTS LINK IN DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET TO OAK CLIFF METHODIST HOSPITAL VIA UNION STATION AND THE BOTTOM LINE.

IN 2010, THE NORTH CENTRAL COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT WAS AWARDED A TIGER GRANT ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO CONSTRUCT A SCALED BACK STREETCAR STARTER LINE FROM UNION STATION TO OAK CLIFF, AND DART WAS AWARDED A GRANT TO CONSTRUCT THE MARTA LINE EXTENSION IN 2011.

THAT WAS THE FIRST INITIAL IOLA BETWEEN DALLAS CITY AND NCTCOG.

IN 2011, DOWNTOWN THREE 60 DALLAS THREE 60 ADOPTED AND WAS ADOPTED, AND IT PROVIDED A PRELIMINARY FRAMEWORK FOR A STREETCAR SYSTEM PLAN.

IN 2013, NCT COG WAS AWARDED AWARDED THE CITY A GRANT FOR THE BISHOP ARTS STREETCAR EXTENSION AND CONCEPTUAL DESIGN

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FOR THE OMNI LOOP.

THE CITY COMMITTED TO IDENTIFYING THE OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE, FUNDING AND FOR THE FUNDING TO BE AVAILABLE PRIOR TO REVENUE SERVICE.

BEGINNING IN 2014, AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WAS EXECUTED BETWEEN DART AND THE CITY OF DALLAS FOR OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE STARTER STREETCAR, AND ESTABLISHED THE METHODOLOGY FOR CALCULATING THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS FOR THE CITY THAT WILL BE OWED TO DART.

AND THEN IN 2015, THE STREETCARS STARTED LINE TO OAKCLIFF AND THE M LINE EXTENSION WERE COMPLETED IN 2016 AND 2017.

THE EXTENSION TO BISHOP ARTS WAS COMPLETED, AND THE IOLA WITH DART FOR THE O AND M WAS AMENDED TO INCLUDE THE BISHOP.

ARTS. CONSTRUCTION.

IN 2016.

ALSO, THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL HAD THE RESOLUTION STATED THAT DETERMINING ALIGNMENTS FOR D TWO, WHICH IS THE SECOND SUBWAY LINE IN DALLAS AND THE CENTRAL LINK STREETCAR, WERE A PRIORITY BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ALTERNATIVES WERE PROPERLY ANALYZED AND BEFORE DECIDING ON THE ALIGNMENT.

SO IN 2017, DART FINALIZED THE ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS FOR THE CENTRAL LINK ALIGNMENT AND FOCUS ON FOUR SHORT LISTED ALIGNMENTS, ONE OF THEM ALONG MAIN, THE OTHER ONE IS THE COMMERCE ELM ALIGNMENTS, AND THE OTHER ONE WAS YOUNG STREET AND THEN THE ROSS SAN JACINTO ALIGNMENT.

AND AT THAT TIME AND DURING THAT TIME FRAME, DDA ALSO FUNDED AN ECONOMIC BENEFITS ASSESSMENT TO HELP WITH THE DECISION MAKING ABOUT WHAT ALIGNMENT IS BEST SUITED IN.

IN 2017, ALSO, THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION ENDORSING THE ELM COMMERCE AS THE LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE FOR THE CENTRAL LINK, BUT ALSO RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS OF THE MAIN STREET AND YOUNG STREET ALTERNATIVES, AND THE NEXT STEPS IN THAT WERE TO ENTER INTO AN FTA PROJECT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR SMALL GRANTS, AND TO BRING THE ALTERNATIVES BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION. FTA REQUIRES ACCEPTABLE DEGREE OF LOCAL FINANCIAL COMMITMENT, INCLUDING A 20 YEAR FINANCIAL PLAN AND EVIDENCE OF STABLE AND DEPENDABLE FINANCING SOURCES.

IN THE PERIOD BETWEEN 2018 AND 2020, WITH A FOCUS CITY, FOCUS SHIFTED TO FINDING FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE EXISTING DOWNTOWN TO BISHOP ARTS STREETCAR AND DESIGN OF THE OMNI LOOP EXTENSION.

AND THEN IN 2019, THERE WAS A CONSOLIDATED ILA THAT PUT TOGETHER ALL OF THE PREVIOUS IDEAS INTO ONE ILA, AND IT SUMMARIZED THE CITY RESPONSIBILITIES VERSUS DART'S RESPONSIBILITIES, AND IN THAT THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY INCLUDED THE STREETCAR, THE DEFINITION OF THE PROJECT SCOPE, PLANNING, FUNDING, GRANT MANAGEMENT, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF FUNDING, UTILITY RELOCATIONS, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE. DART'S RESPONSIBILITY IS BEING TECHNICAL ADVISOR TO PERFORM THE PLANNING, ENVIRONMENTAL AND PRELIMINARY DESIGN, FINAL DESIGN, PROCUREMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SYSTEM, SAFETY AND FARE COLLECTION.

NOW, IT'S WORTH NOTING HERE IS THAT PART OF THE ILA IS THAT THE CITY HAS TO PAY FOR SOME OF THESE SERVICES THAT ARE UNDER THE DART'S RESPONSIBILITY, SUCH AS TO PAY THEM FOR THE, THE, THE CONSULTANT WORK AND SO ON.

IN 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION FOR THE DE TO AFTER WE, THE EASTERN END ALIGNMENT WAS REFINED AND AGREED TO. AND IN THAT SECTION I'M GOING TO READ IT.

SECTION THREE SAYS THAT IF AT THE 30% DESIGN MILESTONE OF THE REVISED D2 ALIGNMENT, OR BY THE END OF CALENDAR YEAR 2024, WHICHEVER IS EARLIER, THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE D2 PROJECT WILL BE DEFERRED.

THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY AND DART REGARDING THEIR FUTURE POTENTIAL.

INCREASED CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE DALLAS STREETCAR PROGRAM.

OTHER DART TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS, AND OTHER TRANSIT SERVICES.

IMPROVEMENTS THAT MAY RESULT IN FUTURE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS.

IN IN THAT PERIOD.

ALSO DURING THAT PERIOD, DARTH PREPARED A SERVICE AREA STREETCAR FEASIBILITY STUDY, AND IT PROVIDED A HIGH LEVEL ASSESSMENT OF THE FEASIBILITY, COSTS AND BENEFITS FOR DIFFERENT ROUTES TO HELP CITIES DETERMINE WHERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH MORE DETAILED STUDIES.

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AS THAT STUDY INCLUDED OTHER CITIES IN DALLAS, IN DALLAS, THE ROUTES THAT WERE EVALUATED INCLUDED CENTRAL LINK, KNOX, HENDERSON EXTENSION, SOUTHERN GATEWAY EXTENSION, ROSS AVENUE EXTENSION, GASTON AVENUE EXTENSION, AND WEST DALLAS EXTENSION.

SO SINCE THAT TIME, THE THE RECOMMENDED STEPS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THAT STUDY WERE INCLUDED.

CO-HOST, GOVERNANCE AND FUNDING WORKSHOP WAS WHICH TOOK PLACE DURING THAT PERIOD.

BUT THE OTHER ONES THAT INCLUDE THE AUTHORIZATION AUTHORIZATION FOR FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY, ASSESSMENT OF OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE, ESTABLISHMENT OF OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FUNDING MECHANISM, THE FINALIZATION OF THE CENTRAL LINK ALIGNMENT, THE THE FTA GRANT PROGRAM AND ANY OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND DIVISION BEYOND THE CENTRAL LINK HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD.

SO RECENTLY WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH DJI TO SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO REGARDING THE CENTRAL LINK AND HOW TO MOVE THE CENTRAL LINK FORWARD, WHICH IS BASICALLY TO CONNECT THE EXISTING INCOMPLETE SYSTEM, WHICH IS CRITICAL TO REALIZING THE FULL ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THE STREETCAR.

THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CENTRAL LINK OBVIOUSLY ARE IMPACTED BY THE DESIRE TO EXPAND THE STREETCAR OUTSIDE THE BUSINESS CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, BUT THAT LINKAGE IS VERY CRITICAL TO DETERMINING WHAT OPPORTUNITIES EXIST BEYOND THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM WAS OBVIOUSLY HOW THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE FUNDED.

SO THE DESIRE TO EXPAND THE STREETCAR OUTSIDE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

MANY EXPANSION ROUTES HAVE BEEN EVALUATED, BUT OBVIOUSLY, LIKE I STATED, CANNOT PROCEED UNTIL THE CENTRAL LINK ALIGNMENT AND BROADER O&M QUESTION ARE SOLVED. THE REFINEMENT OF THE ALIGNMENT OF THE CENTRAL LINK.

THE DISCUSSIONS ARE ONGOING ABOUT THE PREFERRED ALIGNMENT ADJUSTMENTS AND THEN HOW OPERATIONS MAINTENANCE WILL BE FUNDED, WHICH IS BASICALLY A LONG TERM COMMITMENT FOR OR SUSTAINABLE STREAM OF REVENUES THAT WILL COVER THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.

NOW FOR DOWNTOWN DALLAS INC PERSPECTIVE, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO EVAN TO DISCUSS THAT PART.

MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT DOWNTOWN DALLAS AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

AS GUS IS EVIDENCED TODAY, THERE'S BEEN NEARLY TWO DECADES OF PLANNING ON THE STREETCAR TO DATE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH DGI, AND WHILE GREAT STRIDES HAVE BEEN MADE IN THIS EFFORT, THE SYSTEM AND ONGOING VISION REMAINS INCOMPLETE.

THE DESIRE AND NEED FOR THIS SYSTEM IS DOCUMENTED AND RECONFIRMED IN MULTIPLE PLANS AND THROUGH PLANNING ITERATIONS WITH THE CITY.

WE CONTINUE TO TO SUPPORT THIS THROUGH OUR STAKEHOLDER INPUT AND THROUGH DOCUMENTED PLANNING WORK FROM THE ORIGINAL DATE THIS WAS CONCEIVED.

D2. LIKELY, AS WE SAW D2 SHIFT TO A LONGER TERM PRIORITY, WE DECIDED TO MAKE A CONCERTED AND FOCUSED EFFORT THROUGH OUR MOBILITY COMMITTEE, UNDER THE CHAIRMANSHIP OF ALAN REED, TO REVEAL THE FACTORS THAT SLOWED THIS PROJECT AND UNDERSTAND THE CRITICAL PATH TO SEEING THE VISION FORWARD THROUGH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND DART.

WE BELIEVE THAT WE'VE COLLECTIVELY IDENTIFIED THESE HURDLES, AND THAT WE DO SEE A CLEAR PATH TO MOVE THIS VISION FORWARD.

AND I WANT TO STRESS THAT WE SEE CENTERLINK AS A CRITICAL PART OF A COMPLETED SYSTEM THAT SEES THE TRUE VALUE OF STREETCAR ULTIMATELY COME FORWARD TO THE CITY, A SOURCE TO FIND SUSTAINABLE, ONGOING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE FUNDING WITHOUT A COMPLETED SYSTEM.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE.

WE ALSO SEE THIS AS THE ONLY WAY TO TO SEE THE FULL VISION OF AN EXPANDED NETWORK REACHING FURTHER OUT INTO ADDITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE BASIS OF OUR THREE 60 PLAN AT DCI IS TO USE DOWNTOWN AS A CONNECTING LINK TO NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING DOWNTOWN AND THE CITY AT LARGE, AND WE FEEL THAT STREETCAR IS THE WAY TO DO THIS.

ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES, GUS IS GOING TO PRESENT KEY STEPS AND CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY IDENTIFIED AMONG OURSELVES AND OUR PARTNERS.

WE COMMIT AS DDE TO LEVERAGE OUR MOBILITY COMMITTEE AS A STAKEHOLDER REPRESENTATIVE TO FORWARD THIS WORK.

WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN TO DO THAT, AND USE UTILIZED OUR ABILITY TO CONVENE THESE AGENCIES TO BEGIN THESE CONVERSATIONS.

I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT SINCE 2017, THE LAST COUNCIL ACTION ON STREETCAR, WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND THE CITY ON A

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CONSISTENT BASIS TO CONTINUE TO PUSH STREETCAR FORWARD, IDENTIFY CHALLENGES, AND AND REALIZE THE PROJECT.

I WILL SAY THAT DDE FULLY SUPPORTS THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL BE PROPOSED IN THIS BRIEFING BY CITY STAFF.

WE THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO REENGAGE THIS WORK, TO ADDRESS THE CHALLENGES WE'VE SEEN TO DATE THAT HAVE HELD THE PROJECT UP, AND ULTIMATELY, WE BELIEVE NOW IS THE TIME TO MOVE CENTRAL LINK FORWARD.

I'M GOING TO TURN THIS BACK OVER TO GUS TO DISCUSS BOTH THE CURRENT CHALLENGES, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE PROPOSED NEXT STEPS.

THANK YOU EVAN. SO OBVIOUSLY, THE WE THE ONE OF THE KEY CHALLENGES IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAVE BEEN THE STAFF TURNOVER, BECAUSE SOME OF THEM HAVE THE HISTORY ON IT AND SO ON.

SO IT HAS BEEN A BIT OF A CHALLENGE.

THE OTHER ITEM HAS BEEN AND IS THE SUSTAINABLE, THE NEED FOR A SUSTAINABLE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FUNDING SOURCES THAT INCREASES WITH INFLATION, THAT DOES NOT RELY MAJORLY ON THE GENERAL FUNDS.

AND NUMBER THREE IS FUNDING MECHANISM COMMITMENTS FOR O&M NEED TO BE IN PLACE BEFORE DETAILED DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION BEGIN.

THE PROPOSED NEXT STEPS ON THE STREETCAR IS TO CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE AND SUSTAINABLE FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY ASSESSMENT OF THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE FUNDING OPTIONS, CORRESPONDING TO EXISTING AND PLANNED FUTURE EXPANSION PLANS.

NUMBER TWO EVALUATE EXPANSION OPTIONS WITH SYSTEM LINKAGES AS IF WE EXPAND THE SYSTEM AND IT DOESN'T HAVE A GOOD LINKAGES THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE RIDERSHIP THAT WE NEED.

NUMBER THREE, EVALUATE CURRENT OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT OPTIONS THAT COULD BE AVAILABLE.

CONTINUE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH STAKEHOLDERS ON NEXT STEPS OR CORRESPONDING SCHEDULE OF IMPLEMENTATION, AND THEN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL ON THE NEXT STEPS.

SO WITH THAT, THAT ENDS OUR PRESENTATION AND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM B.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I AM A BIG FAN OF STREETCAR SYSTEMS IN GENERAL, AND SPECIFICALLY THE CENTER LINK, WHICH I THINK IS CRITICAL TO TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE TWO EXISTING LINES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND PROVIDING A THROUGH CONNECTION THROUGH DOWNTOWN, PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF THE INCREASED POPULATION IN THE CBD.

I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANS FOR THE CENTER.

LINK. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

WHERE ARE WE ON DETERMINING OPTIONS FOR FUNDING O&M? WE HAD A STUDY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, BUT IN MY OPINION IT WASN'T THOROUGH ENOUGH TO TO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

SO. AND THIS PUTS US BACK TO THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING THE CENTRAL DISCUSSION.

BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT CENTRAL LINK, THEN WE CANNOT HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH DGI ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF THE O&M FOR THE STREETCAR.

SO, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MENTIONED IS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF RESTART THAT PROCESS AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE SYSTEM AS A SYSTEM AND COME UP WITH A WITH A MORE ROBUST RECOMMENDATION.

WELL, WHO IS WE IN THAT RESPONSE? SO. I WILL VENTURE TO SAY THAT WE AS A CITY MAY HAVE TO TAKE THAT ON AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE O&M COULD LOOK LIKE, SINCE WE ARE THE OWNER OF THE SYSTEM NOW.

DEFINITELY, EVEN IF WE, AS THE CITY AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TAKES THAT LEAD, IT WILL HAVE TO BE IN COORDINATION WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, OF COURSE.

WELL, EVAN, I UNDERSTOOD THAT DGI HAD THE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE WORKING ON EXPLORING OPTIONS FOR FUNDING THIS.

CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? YES. HAPPY TO.

WE HAVE SINCE MID MID LAST YEAR ENGAGED ON REVIEWING OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEIR FUNDING STRUCTURES LOOK LIKE, SOME SIMILAR TO OURS AND SOME VASTLY DIFFERENT.

THERE'S A HANDFUL OF POTENTIAL SOURCES WE'VE IDENTIFIED, SUCH AS INCREASED PARKING REVENUE THROUGH PARKING BENEFIT DISTRICTS, AS WELL AS PREMIER ZONES WITHIN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS AND OTHER ELEMENTS THAT APPLY TO THIS STATE.

UNIQUELY, THAT MAY NOT APPLY TO SOME OF THE OTHER MODELS.

WE LOOKED AT. WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED WITH GUS AND HIS TEAM IS WE DO SEE A NEED TO HAVE A THOROUGH TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OF THOSE TOOLS

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AND FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS PUT TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY COULD COVER THOSE COSTS LONG TERM AND ULTIMATELY HAVE A SUSTAINABLE MODEL THAT NOT ONLY SHOWS HOW THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE TO CENTRAL LINK O&M IN A SUSTAINABLE MANNER, BUT REALLY TO LOOK AT HOW THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO CENTRAL LINK AND FUTURE EXTENSIONS AS WELL AS A REPLICABLE, REPLICABLE MODEL.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVE FORWARD, POSSIBLY THROUGH A CONSULTANCY OR WITH PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE TO DO THAT ANALYSIS.

OKAY, GUS, WHAT IS THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT'S CAPACITY TO CONDUCT THAT TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OF FUNDING OPTIONS? WE DO NOT HAVE THE INTERNAL CAPACITY, SO WE'LL HAVE TO RELY ON CONSULTANTS TO HELP US WITH THAT PROCESS.

OKAY. ARE YOU CLOSE TO PROPOSING A SCOPE OF WORK FOR AN RFP FOR THAT PURPOSE? WE'RE NOT, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS AS PART OF THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE MEETINGS WITH DGI AT THIS POINT TO SEE WHERE WE ARE AND HOW AND WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, AND EVAN CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS WE MAY OR I WAS GOING TO POTENTIALLY LOOK INTO POTENTIALLY REVISIT THE ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT OF THE STREETCAR AND THAT DETERMINES BASICALLY ON WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP AND HOW WE BUILD ON IT.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT OF THE CENTER LINK? YES. IN 2017, LEADING TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE ALIGNMENT, DGI DID MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONSULTANCY TO PROVIDE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS OF POTENTIAL FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF A CENTRAL LINK LINE, SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ITS ALIGNMENT AND WHAT STREET THAT WOULD BE ON IN DOWNTOWN AND WHERE YOU'D SEE THE MOST ECONOMIC BENEFIT.

WHILE THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SEE BOTH SALES TAX IMPACTS, OFFICE RENT PREMIUMS, MULTIFAMILY RENT PREMIUMS AND PROPERTY TAX VALUE.

WHAT THAT STUDY DOES AND DOES HELP MAKE THAT DECISION, WHAT THAT STUDY DOES NOT DO IS IDENTIFY THOSE AS HOW THEY'RE THEN CHANNELED INTO SOURCES FOR O&M TO COVER O&M COSTS.

AND WE WOULD BE WE THINK IT IS IMPORTANT, AS GUS MENTIONED, TO HAVE THAT STUDY COMPLETED IN ORDER TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WHAT WE THINK IS HELPFUL FROM COUNCIL.

AND ONE REASON FOR THIS BRIEFING TODAY IS TO GET FEEDBACK THAT THAT THAT THIS COUNCIL IS IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT IS THE PATH FORWARD.

AND THAT'S A WORTHY PATH FORWARD TO GIVE GUS AND HIS TEAM THE ABILITY TO CRAFT THAT RFP, WHICH WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO ASSIST WITH.

THROUGH OUR ORGANIZATION IN ORDER TO GET THAT STUDY MOVING FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WERE COMFORTABLE PREEMPTIVELY MOVING TOWARD THAT WITHOUT BRIEFING THIS COUNCIL, GIVEN THE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT'S LAGGED SINCE 2017.

WELL, GIVEN THAT IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS SINCE THAT TIME, AND THE CENTER LINK HAS BEEN DISCUSSION UNDER DISCUSSION FOR LONGER THAN THAT, I THINK IT IS TIME.

IN FACT, IT'S PAST TIME FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STAGE, WHICH IS CRAFTING AN RFP TO GET THIS KIND OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS OF THE FUNDING OPTIONS, BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THE LINCHPINS TO MOVING FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION OF A CENTER LINK ARE TWO.

ONE IS IDENTIFYING THE O AND M FUNDING OPTIONS AVAILABLE, AND FINDING A PRACTICAL, SUSTAINABLE ONE.

AND TWO IS FINALIZING THE ROUTE THAT THE STREETCAR WOULD TAKE.

WHERE ARE WE ON THAT SCORE? THAT IS ALSO A TASK OUR MOBILITY COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY BEGUN TO REVISIT AS A AS A STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH AND A COORDINATION ROLE IN THAT REGARD.

WE FEEL THAT WE'RE CONFIDENT IN THE LOCALLY PREFERRED ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE ON THE TABLE TODAY, THAT GUS HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE ALTERNATIVES. I WILL NOTE THAT ANY PLAN IS A IS A POINT IN TIME REFERENCE TO THAT DECISION THAT'S MADE.

AND GIVEN THAT SIX YEARS HAVE PASSED, WE DO SEE MERIT IN REVISITING WHERE THAT ALIGNMENT ULTIMATELY SHOULD GO AND A WILLINGNESS FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS TO DO SO. OUR ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE LIKE.

AND WE DO FEEL THAT AN O&M ANALYSIS HELPS ALSO INFORM THAT ULTIMATE DECISION IN, IN THE IN THE WAY THAT CERTAIN ROUTES MAY LEVERAGE THOSE TOOLS BETTER THAN OTHERS.

AND OUR COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY VOICED SUPPORT FOR DOING THAT ANALYSIS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT, TO HELP INFORM THAT DECISION.

SO WHAT IS THE SYNERGY BETWEEN THOSE TWO STUDIES, IF YOU WILL? DO WE NEED TO PUT ONE BEFORE THE OTHER?

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THE O&M ANALYSIS BEFORE THE ROUTE DETERMINATION OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND? I'LL RELY ON GUS'S TEAM'S TECHNICAL EXPERTISE IN THAT REGARD.

I WILL SAY THAT WE DO SEE VALUE IN BOTH OF THOSE POTENTIALLY BEING COMBINED OR LOOKED AT AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN TO REACH OUT TO FOLKS AND FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

I AGREE WITH DEVIN AND I WILL BUILD ON IT, AS CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE IDENTIFIED FUNDING TO CONDUCT THE STUDY.

SO THEREFORE WE MAY HAVE TO KIND OF RELY ON COMBINING OR COMBINING OUR RESOURCES, IF YOU WILL, OR LEVERAGING OUR RESOURCES.

THAT'S THE WORD LEVERAGING THE RESOURCES, OUR COMBINED RESOURCES IN ORDER TO GET THAT STUDY GOING.

SO SO THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, VERY CRITICAL BECAUSE THERE ALL THESE THINGS ARE INTERLINKED.

SO ARE YOU ANTICIPATING THAT THERE WOULD BE ONE RFP FOR A CONSULTANT TO STUDY O&M FUNDING OPTIONS AS WELL AS THE PREFERRED ROUTE? THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY.

OR WE MAY WIDEN THE SCOPE TO INCLUDE THE ECONOMIC STUDY THAT EVAN TALKED ABOUT.

BUT AGAIN, LEVERAGING THE RESOURCES, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DO NOT HAVE THE FUNDS IDENTIFIED TO HIRE THE CONSULTANT AT THIS POINT. AND IF I MAY, THAT ULTIMATE DECISION ON WHERE THAT ROUTE GOES IS A DECISION THAT LIES ON THE COUNCIL BODY.

AND WE WOULD BE I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT THE INFORMATION GLEANED FROM THIS RFP AND PROCESS WOULD HELP TO INFORM THE COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT, TO MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON THAT DATA, OF COURSE.

SO WHAT DO YOU SEE AS THE TIME FRAME FOR PUTTING THIS RFP TOGETHER AND ISSUING IT? AGAIN, PUTTING THE RFP IS NOT A VERY TIME CONSUMING ITEM.

THE ISSUE HERE IS THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS IN THE MEETINGS WITH THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE WITH DTI IS TO IDENTIFY, OKAY, ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THE ECONOMIC UPDATES TO THE STUDY THROUGH DTI HANDLING IT DIRECTLY, OR DO WE WANT TO COMBINE IT WITH OURS? AND THEN NUMBER TWO, LIKE I SAID, IS TO IDENTIFY IN THE RFP.

SO HERE'S THE THING.

SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS, THE MONEY, I MEAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE CONSULTANT TO SAY, OKAY, WE WANT YOU TO ALSO EVALUATE WHICH ALIGNMENT IS THE BETTER ALIGNMENT.

SO THAT'S MORE MONEY THAT WILL HAVE TO BE SHELLED OUT FOR THE STUDY.

IF WE AT THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE START LOOKING AT THESE THINGS HERE, AND WE SAY THAT THIS IS THE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ALIGNMENT A IS THE MOST LIKELY ALIGNMENT THAT'S GOING TO BE IT.

SO THEN WE CAN LIMIT OUR SCOPE A LITTLE BIT AND HAVE A BETTER HANDLE ON THE COST SO THAT WE CAN BE TARGETED AND MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BENEFIT OUT OF THAT STUDY OR THE THE ANALYSIS.

SO IT DOESN'T END UP BEING ANOTHER PLAN OUT OF ALL THESE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PRODUCED BEFORE.

SO, EVAN, DOES DTI HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THE ALIGNMENT ANALYSIS TO BE ABLE TO FEED INTO AN RFP ON FUNDING OPTIONS? I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT WORK IN THAT EFFORT DONE EVALUATING ALL POSSIBLE OPTIONS TO DATE.

I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE SHOWN IN THE PAST THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY AND AND WILLINGNESS TO EXPAND THAT AND UPDATE THAT STUDY.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD WE'D BE WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE AND LOOK AT WHAT RESOURCES WOULD BE NEEDED TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

OKAY. I THINK AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION BY DTI TO THIS WHOLE PROJECT AND WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.

DO YOU HAVE ANY TIMEFRAME IN MIND FOR WHEN THAT COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED? THAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE? I BELIEVE THAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE WOULD NEED TO BE IN TANDEM WITH AN O&M STUDY, AND WOULD FOLLOW THAT TIME FRAME.

I COULD SEE THAT DONE BASED UPON OUR LAST EXPERIENCE WITHIN A 8 TO 12 MONTH TIME FRAME, OR POSSIBLY SHORTER.

WE WORKED ON A VERY CONSTRAINED TIME FRAME ON THE FIRST ANALYSIS AND AND TO BUILD UPON THAT, I COULD SEE A TIME SAVING ABILITY WITHIN THAT. OKAY, SO GUS IS THE REAL LINCHPIN THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS FUNDING TO CONDUCT THE.

SURVEY ON O&M FUNDING OPTIONS FOR AN RFP.

IN YOUR MIND? YES, SIR. I MEAN, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO KIND OF IDENTIFY THIS HERE.

I MEAN, AND THE PLANNING WORK CAN GO CONCURRENT OR SLIGHTLY BEHIND.

BUT THE POINT BEING IS I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO ANYONE FOR US TO GO INTO AN IMPLEMENTATION PLAN UNLESS

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THAT O&M IS IDENTIFIED, BECAUSE OF COURSE, BECAUSE OUR COST KEEPS INCREASING.

AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST BUDGET, I MEAN, IT WAS NOTED HOW MUCH THIS THING HAS INCREASED.

SO BUT YEAH, I MEAN, I SUPPORT ALL THE PLANNING ACTIVITIES AND, AND WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE ALREADY ONGOING RIGHT NOW.

AND WE MAY TAKE IT TO A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING AT 30% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THERE IS NO ISSUE THERE.

BUT WE CANNOT I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT WE GO BEYOND THAT POINT UNTIL THE O&M ITEM IS SETTLED.

OKAY. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND PERHAPS THE BUDGET OFFICE TO DETERMINE WHERE WE COULD FIND FUNDING FOR THE RFP TO STUDY THE FUNDING FOR O&M.

WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

SO. OKAY.

DO YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF A COST ESTIMATE IN MIND TO TARGET HOW MUCH MONEY WILL BE NEEDED? I REALLY DON'T BECAUSE OF THE FACT.

LIKE I SAID, SINCE WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE IN THAT STUDY, IF WE'RE THE ONE THING THAT WE DISCUSSED THE OTHER DAY IS THE CITY IS GOING TO LEAD ALL THAT STUFF.

SO THE QUESTION IS, AM I INCLUDING WHAT DIDI WANTS TO DO IN OUR STUDY SO THAT WE CAN GET THE RESOURCES IN AND COMBINE THEM WITH OURS, OR THEY'RE GOING TO DO PART AND THEN WE DO THE OTHER PART.

SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING WITH DIDI AND DOING THE THE MOBILITY COMMITTEE TO DETERMINE WHAT THIS MECHANISM IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

MR. CITY MANAGER, I WOULD ESTABLISH THIS AS A PRIORITY FOR DOWNTOWN TRANSPORTATION. SINCE WE HAVE SEEN THE D2 PROJECT GO ON THE BACK BURNER.

I THINK THAT PLACES THIS STREETCAR CENTRAL LINK ON THE FRONT BURNER WILL OF COURSE HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH DART ABOUT THIS, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE INITIAL STEP NEEDS TO IDENTIFY THE O&M FUNDING SOURCES.

AND IF YOU CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH GUS AND PERHAPS THE BUDGET OFFICE, WHOEVER YOU THINK AND STAFF'S APPROPRIATE TO IDENTIFY HOW WE CAN FUND THAT RFP.

I THINK THAT'S THE INITIAL STEP THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

DO WE HAVE STATISTICS ON THE CURRENT VACANCY RATE? DOWNTOWN DALLAS? YES, WE DO, AND I'LL QUOTE THEM SOMEWHAT ANECDOTALLY.

WE HAVE OVER 33,000,000FT² OF OFFICE SPACE WITHIN DOWNTOWN.

WITHIN THAT, WE HAVE ABOUT 26 MILLION OF THAT FILLED.

THAT LEAVES A 25 TO 26% VACANCY RATE WITHIN ALL OF THAT COMMERCIAL PRODUCT.

I WILL NOTE THAT WITHIN THAT LARGE NUMBER, THAT SUB DISTRICT REPRESENTS ONLY A 1.5MI².

IT'S BY FAR THE DENSEST, SMALLEST GEOGRAPHY WITHIN THE WHOLE REGION.

AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE COMPARABLE TO OTHER CITIES OF SIMILAR DENSITY.

I WILL SAY THAT OUR RESIDENTIAL POPULATION RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT 15,000 RESIDENTS.

I'M SORRY, I'M REALLY JUST ASKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL.

THANK YOU. OKAY, SURE. AND THEN OF THE 26 MILLION YOU WERE SAYING WAS YOU USE THE WORD FILLED, THAT MEANS IT'S RENT PAYING OR THAT IT'S ACTUALLY OCCUPIED.

OCCUPIED. AND AS FAR AS ANY DATA, COMMERCIAL OFFICE, REAL ESTATE DATA REPORTED BY MAJOR AGENCIES.

THOSE ARE SIGNED AND PAYING LEASES.

AND WE SEE ROUGHLY A 70% FULL RETURN TO THE OFFICE.

IF THAT IS ALLUDING TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE ASKING, MEANING THAT THAT SPACE IS FILLED MOST DAYS OF THE WEEK, AND WE DO USE ANALYTICS THAT TRACK FOLKS THAT COME IN AND OUT OF DOWNTOWN.

AND WE'RE WE'RE RIGHT WITHIN MARGINS OF PRE-PANDEMIC DATA ON HOW MANY FOLKS ARE COMING INTO DOWNTOWN TO WORK EACH DAY AND HOW MANY ARE LEAVING. OKAY.

SO ABOUT 30% ARE NOT.

YES. AND THAT NUMBER IS ALSO AND I JUST ONLY ELABORATE ON THIS TO MAKE SURE IT'S MADE CLEARLY.

OF THAT 30% THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE AGAIN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN IN DOWNTOWN FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN FOR 10 TO 15 YEARS.

THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN FAIRLY CONSISTENT.

SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A BIG INCREASE IN OFFICE UTILIZATION DOWNTOWN.

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WHILE WE'VE SEEN LEASING YEARS WHERE WE HAVE IN 2019, WE DID LEAD AS A SUB AS A SUB MARKET.

WE HAD THE HIGHEST RATE OF POSITIVE ABSORPTION.

BUT YES, THAT WAIVER IS YEAR TO YEAR BASED ON MARKET CIRCUMSTANCES, OFFICE DEMAND AND NEW CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT THE REGION.

SO YOUR COMMENT WAS THAT IT WAS PRETTY STABLE, THAT ABOUT A THIRD OF IT IS NOT FILLED.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SO THERE'S NOT SOME BIG BOOM HAPPENING HERE, SOME BIG CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENING.

OVERALL, WE DO SEE OFFICE STARTS.

THERE HAS BEEN NEW CONSTRUCTION OF OFFICE SPACE AND THAT OFFICE SPACE HAS LEASED.

WE SEE AGING PRODUCTS.

DOWNTOWN IS ONE OF THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOODS, THE OLDEST NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY.

AND AND WE SEE AS SOME PRODUCT AGES THAT AS NEW STARTS COME FORWARD, IT DOES KEEP THAT RATE FAIRLY STABLE.

SO NOT A LOT OF CHANGE, NOT A LOT OF CHANGE ON A NUMBERS PROPORTIONAL PERSPECTIVE.

NO. OKAY.

SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO SLIDE 13, GUS THAT YOU HAD AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT D TWO HERE.

AND I'M JUST PERPLEXED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH D TWO.

THIS BODY BOTH COMMITTEE AND FULL COUNCIL HAS MADE LOTS OF POLICY STATEMENTS AND ADOPTED LANGUAGE AND A DIRECTION ON D TWO.

WE'VE NEVER RESCINDED THAT.

WE WERE NEVER INCLUDED IN ANY PORTION OF THAT.

HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? I'LL HAVE TO TURN IT OVER TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER PEREZ TO ADDRESS THAT ITEM.

HONORABLE MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL ROBERT BETTIS, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER COUNCIL MEMBER MENDELSOHN I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS CHANGED WITH D2 YET.

IT'S NOT A PROJECT THAT IS DEAD OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

D2 IS STILL IT'S NOTHING'S CHANGED.

THE PROJECT HAS NOT BEEN CANCELED.

IF YOU'RE ALLUDING TO THE REMOVAL OF IT FROM DART'S 20 YEAR PLAN JUST AS EASILY AS IT CAN BE AS IT WAS REMOVED, IT CAN BE PUT BACK IN WHEN THE TRIGGERS THAT ARE TIED TO RIDERSHIP AS PART OF THE ALA ARE MET.

D2 WAS TIED TO THE SILVER LINE.

MY DISTRICT HAS FOLLOWED D2 IN AN UNUSUAL WAY FOR A PROJECT THAT'S NOT ANYWHERE NEAR IT, BECAUSE WE ESSENTIALLY FELT LIKE WE WERE GIVING UP SOMETHING AN ENORMOUS QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE FOR OUR AREA IN ORDER TO BENEFIT THE REST OF THE CITY WITH D2.

AND IN THE END, DALLAS HAS TOTALLY BEEN MISLED.

SO ABSOLUTELY, THIS HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUTRAGEOUS FOR YOU TO SAY THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED WHEN THEY'VE LITERALLY TAKEN IT OFF OF THEIR FUNDING LIST, AND THESE PROJECTS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN PARALLEL.

IN PARALLEL WHEN WE HAVE ENORMOUS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT HAPPENING IN D12, BUT NOTHING HAPPENED IN FOR D2.

SO OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING VERY DRASTIC HAS HAPPENED AND IT NEVER CAME BACK TO THIS BODY.

AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY.

WE WEREN'T PART OF ANY PART OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

DID STAFF MAKE A DECISION SOMEWHERE? STAFF DID NOT MAKE A DECISION, MA'AM.

SO DART, BEING THEIR OWN GOVERNING BODY, HAS AND MANAGES THEIR OWN 20 YEAR PLAN.

GOING BACK TO THE ILA THAT IS ESTABLISHED BETWEEN DART AND THE CITY OF DALLAS.

WE KNOW THAT ONCE CERTAIN RIDERSHIP LEVELS ARE MET, THAT THE D2 WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED.

AND SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE SEEING ANY TRENDS THAT ARE GETTING US THERE.

SO DART MADE THE FINANCIAL DECISION TO REMOVE IT FROM THEIR 20 YEAR PLAN UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THAT THOSE RIDERSHIP LEVELS ARE ARE REACHED.

WAS THERE ANY STAFF COMMUNICATION OR CONCURRENCE TO TAKE D2 OFF THAT LIST? SO THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS COUNCIL MEMBER AS FAR AS DART LOOKING AT FUNDING OTHER ALTERNATIVES, I BELIEVE, TO THE RED LINE, TO THE BLUE LINE IN LIEU OF FUNDING THE IMMEDIATE THE IMMEDIATE FUNDING OF DETOUR, KEEPING IT IN THERE.

WHO HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, IF I MAY ASK? SO THOSE WOULD BE AT THE CITY MANAGER'S LEVEL AND THE CEO.

SO CITY STAFF DECIDED TO SHELVE D2 WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE ACTUAL POLICY BODY.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT WASN'T SHELVED.

COUNCIL MEMBER AGAIN, TO TAKE IT OFF OF THE FINANCIAL FORECAST.

CITY OF DALLAS STAFF DID NOT TELL DART TO TAKE IT OFF OF THEIR FINANCIAL FORECAST.

DID WE OPPOSE IT?

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I DON'T KNOW IF WE OPPOSED IT, BUT THEY MADE THEIR OWN DECISION.

DID YOU PUT IN WRITING THAT YOU OBJECT TO THEM DOING THAT? I DIDN'T PUT THAT IN WRITING, NO.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN WRITING ASSOCIATED WITH CONCURRENCE FROM CITY STAFF ABOUT REMOVING DART D2 FROM DART'S FUNDING LIST? THERE IS NOTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT SAYS THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM REMOVING IT FROM THEIR FUNDING PLAN.

HOW ABOUT AN OBJECTION TO THEM DOING SO AGAIN? COUNCIL MEMBER IF DART MAKES A DECISION TO FUND OTHER PRIORITIES, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE D2 CAN BE PUT BACK INTO THE FUNDING PLAN ONCE THOSE RIDERSHIP LEVELS ARE MET, THEN THAT'S DART'S DECISION.

SO THIS YEAR, WE'RE FORECASTED TO SPEND $426 MILLION $426 MILLION ON DART.

AND WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT INSTITUTING A WHOLE NOTHER TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT WE'RE THEN GOING TO FUND SEPARATELY.

I GOT TO TELL YOU, WE NEED TO PUT THIS ON OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA TO SAY WE NEED A CHANGE THAT SAYS ANYTHING WE'RE PAYING FOR TRANSPORTATION, WHETHER THAT'S OUR SENIOR RIDE PROGRAM, WHETHER IT'S OUR CURRENT TIGER GRANT STREETCAR PROGRAM OR ANY OTHER EXPANSION, ION NEEDS TO BE NETTED OUT WITH OUR CONTRIBUTION TO DART.

WE NEED A RETURN OF THOSE DOLLARS.

WE SHOULD NOT BE FUNDING ADDITIONAL TRANSPORTATION EXPENSES THAT CLEARLY WERE INTENDED 40 YEARS AGO WHEN WE MADE THIS ARRANGEMENT.

THE NEXT THING I'M WONDERING IS HOW COME THERE'S NO DISCUSSION ABOUT BUSSES? IS IT JUST THAT STREET CARS ARE SO SEXY? EVERYBODY WANTS A STREET CAR, BUT NOBODY WANTS A BUS.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CAPITAL EXPENSES AND YOU TALK ABOUT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS, IT SEEMS LIKE A BUS ISN'T THAT EXPENSIVE AND IT CAN PROVIDE EXACTLY THE SAME TRANSPORTATION. SO I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE A COUPLE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES REQUESTED AN UPDATE ON THE STREETCAR EXPANSION, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE GIVING THE BRIEFING THAT WAS REQUESTED.

KEEP IN MIND THAT WE DO HAVE, AS PART OF TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE NEXT MONTH, SET UP TO MEET WITH THE DART BOARD AS WELL AS DART STAFF, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO BE MORE OF AN APPROPRIATE SETTING FOR THAT DISCUSSION.

AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUSSES TODAY, IS BECAUSE OF THE REQUEST THAT CAME TO US.

LET'S GO TO THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION.

THE GOAL WAS IMPROVE LIVABILITY.

I'M NOT SURE THAT STREETCAR IMPROVES LIVABILITY COMPARED TO A BUS.

PREDICTABLE CIRCULATIONS.

AGAIN, I GET ALL THE ALERTS WHEN STREETCAR GOES OUT.

I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY OUR BUSSES ARE MUCH MORE PREDICTABLE THAN OUR STREETCAR.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH US ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THERE'S BEEN A SERVICE OUTAGE FOR OUR STREETCAR? WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES HERE WHO ARE MANAGING THE OPERATIONS.

I WILL CALL THEM, CALL ON THEM TO COME IN AND DISCUSS THAT.

YES. GOOD MORNING.

SO OUR ON TIME PERFORMANCE ON THE STREETCAR IS 95%, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT OR A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN OUR LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM. AND THERE ARE VARIOUS FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO OPERATIONAL IMPACTS.

AND SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE PEOPLE MESSING WITH OUR SYSTEMS IN THE STREETCAR THAT PUT THEM OUT OF SERVICE.

SO WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE BY TAKING THEM OFFLINE UNTIL WE CAN REPAIR.

OTHER FACTORS COULD BE AN ENVIRONMENTAL BIOHAZARD THAT'S CREATED ON THE CAR THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF SERVICE TO REPAIR.

THERE'S OTHER FACTORS, SUCH AS LOSING POWER FROM ONCOR TO OUR SUBSTATIONS.

IN FACT, WE HAD ONE YESTERDAY THAT CREATED AN ISSUE WITH THE STREETCAR.

IF WE DO NOT HAVE POWER FROM ONCOR, THEN OUR OVERHEAD LINES CANNOT BE ELECTRIFIED.

ALSO, BLOCKAGE OF THE ALIGNMENT DUE TO ACCIDENTS OR OTHER CAR INCIDENTS.

SO THOSE ARE EXTERNAL FACTORS.

AND YES, WE DO HAVE MECHANICAL ISSUES WITH THE STREETCAR.

WE'VE BEEN HAVING THEM FROM THE BEGINNING.

WE ADDRESS EACH OF THE ISSUES WHEN WE ENCOUNTER THEM, EITHER THROUGH MODIFICATIONS TO THE THE SYSTEM'S ALTERNATE PARTS MODIFICATIONS.

ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW IS SPARE PARTS.

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THEY HAVE BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE IN LONG LEAD TIMES.

SO IN SUMMARY, OUR ON TIME PERFORMANCE IS 95% AND IT'S EQUAL OR BETTER THAN LIGHT RAIL.

BUT JUST POINTING OUT THAT THERE ARE MANY CHALLENGES, INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL FACTORS THAT IMPACT THE OPERATION OF THE STREETCAR.

IS YOUR ON TIME MORE OR LESS RELIABLE THAN YOUR BUS SYSTEM? THAT I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR YOU.

WHAT ARE THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT YOU SENT OUT A SERVICE ALERT SAYING THAT ONE OR MORE STREETCARS WAS NOT OPERATING? IN THE PAST THREE MONTHS OR A YEAR? SO EVERY TIME THAT WE ENCOUNTER AN INCIDENT, WE IMMEDIATELY SEND OUT A NOTICE THAT THE STREETCAR IS OUT OF SERVICE.

HOWEVER, MOST OF THE TIME WE ARE ABLE TO RECOVER WITHIN 10 OR 20 MINUTES AND WE ARE ABLE TO PUT THAT STREETCAR BACK INTO SERVICE, THEREFORE NOT MISSING ANY TRIPS OR IN WORST CASE, MAYBE ONE TRIP.

BUT WE IMMEDIATELY DISPATCHED RESOURCE MRS TO THE STREETCAR ALIGNMENT TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND ONCE AGAIN, MOST OF THE TIME WE ARE ABLE TO PUT THAT STREETCAR BACK INTO SERVICE.

HOWEVER, WE HAVE ALREADY SENT OUT A NOTIFICATION THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SENT ONE OUT IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, OR FOR A FULL CALENDAR YEAR 2022? WHAT DAY DID YOU HAVE TO SHARE? I DO NOT HAVE THAT NUMBER FOR YOU.

I WOULD HAVE TO GO. PLEASE BRING IT TO THE BOARD MEETING.

THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE COMMITTEE MEETING.

I HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER QUESTIONS.

I CAN SEE MY TIME IS JUST ABOUT UP, SO I'LL JUST WAIT FOR THE NEXT ROUND.

THANK YOU. STEWART, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

SO I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING ON THE BOARD IN MY FORMER ROLE AS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF UPTOWN DALLAS, INC, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING AT THE WORKSHOP WHERE YOU ALL BROUGHT IN REPRESENTATIVES FROM KANSAS CITY AND I BELIEVE, PORTLAND, AND WE DISCUSSED FUNDING OPTIONS FOR O&M.

O&M WAS DEFINITELY ON THE MINDS OF EVERYONE AT THAT WORKSHOP, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ON THAT.

AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF MR. ZARATE AS WELL. AND ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE TO PULL TOGETHER, I THINK, SOME GOOD INFORMATION AND SOME ENERGY BEHIND THIS PROJECT.

I DO KNOW THAT UPTOWN, I THINK, BENEFITS VERY MUCH FROM ITS HISTORIC STREETCAR.

WE HAVE 600,000 RIDERS.

I SAY WE STILL I'M NOT QUITE HAVEN'T QUITE CHANGED MY IDENTIFY IDENTITY THERE.

BUT I'M PROUD VERY, VERY PROUD OF THE OF THE MARTA STREETCAR AND AND ALL THAT IT BRINGS TO THE COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT IS BRINGS A LOT.

AND I AM A HUGE FAN OF THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL CONNECT UPTOWN, DOWNTOWN AND OAK CLIFF IN A VERY UNIQUE WAY.

AND I THINK THERE'S ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO TO GAIN FROM THAT.

AND I THINK IT'S SO IT HAS MY SUPPORT.

SO I REALLY JUST WANT TO SAY.

I SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY AND HIS REQUEST THAT STAFF FIND FUNDING FOR THIS REPORT SO THAT WE EXCUSE ME FOR THIS STUDY SO THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO THE O&M OPTIONS AND MAKE A WISE DECISION MOVING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. CHAIR MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WANT TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER FOR PLACING THIS ON THE AGENDA.

COUNCIL MEMBER RIDLEY AND I DID A JOINT MEMO REQUESTING THIS COME BEFORE OUR COUNCIL.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR DECADES NOW.

THE TIME IS NOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CENTRAL LINK EXPANSION OF THE STREETCAR.

WE'VE SEEN MUCH SUCCESS WITH THE CURRENT STREETCAR AND THE ECONOMIC GROWTH THAT HAS HAPPENED ALONG THE BISHOP ARTS CORRIDOR.

DO WE HAVE A STUDY ON THE RETURN OF INVESTMENT THAT STREETCARS PROVIDE TO CITIES? AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE HERE IN DALLAS, BUT THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT AND SOME OF THE STUDIES THAT MAYBE DGI HAS DONE.

YES, THE ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT LOOKED AT POTENTIAL ALIGNMENTS WITHIN DOWNTOWN DID LOOK AT FOUR FACTORS.

ONE OF THOSE WAS TAX VALUE THAT WAS RAISED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT ALONG THAT STREETCAR.

AS WE KNOW, IS A FIXED ASSET.

AND THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE MARKET DOES RESPOND TO A FIXED ASSET IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN IT DOES TO A MOVABLE ASSET.

AND FOR INSTANCE, IN OAK CLIFF, WE DID SEE ROUGHLY AND THERE ARE REPORTS THAT STATE THIS AND WE CAN PROVIDE THAT DETAILED INFORMATION, BUT ROUGHLY $200 MILLION IN DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED IN SOME FASHION TO THAT, TO THAT INVESTMENT, THAT PUBLIC INVESTMENT.

AND SO OUR STUDY WITHIN DOWNTOWN LOOKED AT TOURISM DOLLARS AS WELL AS TAX VALUE, DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS AND PREMIUMS ON

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LEASABLE SPACE THAT OCCURRED.

AND MY HOPE IS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO TO EXPAND THE NETWORK EVEN FURTHER.

BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT CENTRAL LINK HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED FIRST.

I DO WANT TO THANK OUR FRIENDS OVER AT.

JENNIFER AND EVAN FOR FOR BEING HERE AND JUST THE AMAZING WORK THAT YOU ALL DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND THE GROWTH THAT IS HAPPENING.

I MEAN, DOWNTOWN IS BUSTLING AND HUSTLING MORE THAN EVER BEFORE.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND SUMMERS OUT HERE WITH MY DAUGHTER, GETTING ON THE STREETCAR, ON THE MARTA, AND EVEN OUR BUSSES.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE FROM MARTA HERE TODAY THAT CAN TALK TO US ABOUT THEIR OPERATION AND THEIR NUMBERS THAT THEY'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS? YEAH. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION, BUT WE CAN FOLLOW UP.

AND IF WE CAN GET JUST MAYBE NUMBERS ON ON WHAT THEIR RIDERSHIP IS PRE-PANDEMIC AND DURING AND WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY TO SEE HOW THAT TRAJECTORY IS WORKING.

NOT TO MENTION THE GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING HERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF DOWNTOWN WITH NEW PARK, THE CEDARS DECK PARKS CONVENTION CENTER. THIS IS A TOOL THAT'S NOT ONLY GOING TO BE USED BY THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE, BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE A BIG IMPACT FOR OUR VISITORS, THOSE WHO ARE COMING TO OUR CONVENTION CENTER, THOSE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH DOWNTOWN TO TO DEEP ELLUM, TO FARMERS MARKET, TO THE WEST END, AND AGAIN EXPANDING FURTHER AND BEYOND INTO WEST DALLAS, INTO FAIR PARK.

IT'S CRITICAL, BUT WE HAVE TO GET THIS ALIGNMENT DONE FIRST.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC INTEREST THERE.

WE HAVE THE FUNDING OPTIONS WITH THE BUILD OUT THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE AND WHAT CAN CONTINUE TO COME HERE ON AFTER.

LET'S SEE. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE D2 ALIGNMENT IS CONCERNED, I KNOW THAT IF I WERE TO BE ASKED TODAY WHICH PATH I WOULD WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, THAT WOULD CLEARLY BE A STREETCAR ALTERNATIVE, RATHER THAN FOLLOWING THE D2 RECOMMENDATION THAT'S SET BEFORE THAT.

BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING THOSE LINES THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH STAKEHOLDERS. AND SO WHATEVER ROUTE THAT WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH HAS TO BENEFIT THOSE AREAS THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. THE ROSS AVENUE CORRIDOR IS ONE THAT I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ON THE SHELVES FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

SO THANK YOU ALL FOR DUSTING THAT OFF AND GETTING IT BACK TO US.

KNOX HENDERSON, WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE TREMENDOUS GROWTH ON HENDERSON.

AND KNOX IS THERE ALREADY.

SO I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE'RE NOT AT TIMES PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND THAT WE'RE GOING INTO AREAS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUSTAIN AND ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TO HAVE A.

BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLUG IN TO THOSE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO OPERATE.

SO WE CAN'T JUST GO INTO AN AREA THAT HAS NO DEVELOPMENT IN AND AROUND IT IN HOPES THAT IT WILL COME.

WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PLANS LINED UP ALREADY TO ENSURE FOR A SUCCESSFUL PLAN THERE.

THE ONLY ONE THAT I DON'T SEE ON HERE, AND I KNOW THAT I'VE MENTIONED IT TO STAFF AND THAT IS CONTINUING AN ALIGNMENT DOWN MAIN, DOWN COLUMBIA INTO EAST DALLAS, AND MAYBE WRAPPING AROUND TO GASTON AVENUE IS SOMETHING THAT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

BUT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH THAT CENTRAL LINK FIRST IS MY PRIORITY SO THAT WE CAN GET IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP AND OUR TRANSPORTATION TEAM.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT I'VE HAD OFFLINE.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THOSE.

CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT STUDY.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION AND FOR Y'ALL'S COMMITMENT TO ANSWERING A LOT OF OUR INQUIRIES ON THIS REGARD.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD TO SOME OF THAT WAS SAID.

ONE IN PARTICULAR IS THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAN WHAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THESE ARE THE CATALYST.

IT'S NOT A CART BEFORE THE HORSE.

IN FACT, WE'VE SEEN MANY MODELS ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT UTILIZE CORRIDORS THAT NEED ECONOMIC GROWTH.

AND THIS IS THE IGNITER.

IN FACT, THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LOOK INTO RECAPTURED TAX REVENUE MECHANISMS. THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR IS KANSAS CITY.

THAT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL.

THEY HAVE NEVER TOUCHED THEIR GENERAL FUND BUDGET IN OPERATING WHAT IS NOW BEING EXPANDED BY THREE TIMES THE ORIGINAL

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ALIGNMENT. THAT CORRIDOR ALSO HAS NOW ATTRACTED THREE.

RELOCATIONS OF HEADQUARTERS THAT NEGOTIATED WITH CITIES TO EVEN CONTRIBUTE, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD A STOP FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, THAT THEY WERE RELOCATING TO THE CITY.

SO I'M ASKING FOR THIS TO BE MUCH BIGGER OF A FEAT TO TACKLE.

WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AND SEE HOW THIS CAN BE USED AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE MONETARY INCENTIVES THAT WE HAVE.

THIS IS US PUTTING OUR OWN DESTINY, AS CITY MANAGER SAYS, MANIFESTING OUR OWN DESTINY.

AND THAT BRINGS ME TO AN ALIGNMENT THAT I HAVE BEEN SHOUTING LOUD AND CLEAR, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SET ON RECORD HERE TODAY.

BUT THE MLK CORRIDOR IS ABSOLUTELY A PRIME EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS CAN SHOW TO BE EXTREMELY FRUITFUL FOR NOT ONLY CONNECTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND MOVING OUR DALLAS SITES, BUT ALSO IGNITING ECONOMIC GROWTH, WHICH IS WHAT THESE TOOLS SHOULD BE UTILIZED AS WE HAVE BETWEEN FAIR PARK FIRST AND FOREST FORWARD, WE HAVE CAPITAL CAMPAIGNS OF CLOSE TO $1 BILLION, AND WE'VE GOT A CORRIDOR BETWEEN IT THAT IS LACKING MAJOR ECONOMIC GROWTH.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT.

CONNECTING OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO OUR RESIDENTS IN SOUTH DALLAS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS ALMOST, ALMOST A POSTER CHILD FOR TAKING THE MODEL IN KANSAS CITY AND SEEING HOW IT CAN BE A SUCCESS FOR OUR CITY.

SO I URGE YOU TO KEEP THAT ALIGNMENT IN MIND THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS.

I AGREE THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BUILD OUT THE CENTRAL LINK.

HOWEVER, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT WE NEED TO STOP POUNDING MONEY INTO JUST THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND STOP IGNORING THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS TO CONNECT TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE PUT ALL OF OUR EGGS IN THE BASKET OF A REGIONAL ENTITY THAT HAS, QUITE FRANKLY, BUILT OUT A SYSTEM THAT IS MOST CONDUCIVE TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY LIMITS TO COME INTO OUR CITY.

IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO TACKLE AS A CITY, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET INNOVATIVE ON WITH O&M FUNDING COMING FROM OUR CITY, THAT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT MOVING DALLASITES.

IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT CONNECTING PEOPLE THAT ARE IN NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THAT DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE TO A DART STOP TO TAKE MASS TRANSIT INTO. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INCREASE OUR RIDERSHIP WITH OUR MASS TRANSIT THAT EXISTS NOW, AND CLOSE IN THAT LAST MILE GAP THAT SO DESPERATELY NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN OUR CITY.

WE ARE TO BUILT OUT AND SPRAWLED FOR US TO CONTINUE TO PUMP IN THE LION'S SHARE OF OUR TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ALREADY MOST CONDUCIVE TO WALKING IN.

SO I'M URGING YOU TO LOOK AT THE SPINE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE CONNECTING WEST DALLAS.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT OAK CLIFF SOUTH.

DALLAS, YOU KNOW.

AND THEN I ALSO URGE YOU TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A LENS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE BISHOP ARTS LINE IS GREAT.

I'M A SUPPORTER OF IT, BUT WE CANNOT ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE SEEN IN BISHOP ARTS.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE GROWTH THAT HAS HAPPENED ISN'T EVEN ON THE LINE THAT EXISTS.

IN FACT, THE LINE ITSELF IS A HORRIBLE MODEL TO SHOW HOW WE CAN USE IT FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH WHEN THREE QUARTERS OF ITS TRACK IS ON A ON AN UNDEVELOPABLE BRIDGE. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO LOOK AT THIS AS A MUCH LARGER SCALE AS FAR AS FUNDING SOURCES.

I URGE YOU TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR STATE STATUTE OF BEING ABLE TO RECAPTURE AND MAKING THOSE VERY, VERY TAILORED DISTRICTS SIMILAR TO THAT OF KANSAS CITY.

BUT IN THE AT THE SAME TIME, WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE AGENDA, I ALSO URGE US TO REVISIT OUR CONTRIBUTION TO DART WITH SALES TAX.

WE HAVE IN LARGE FUNDED THE BUILDING OUT OF THIS SYSTEM, AND I THINK IT'S NOW FOR US TO START MANIFESTING OUR OWN DESTINY FOR DALLAS HEIGHTS AND PULL BACK FROM WHAT WE'RE PUTTING INTO THEIR BASKET AND SEEING HOW WE CAN USE THAT TO MOVE OUR PEOPLE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS THIS MORNING, SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE LABOR AND REPEAT ANY OF THOSE.

BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO SAY IS THIS FOR WHERE I'M STANDING AND REPRESENTING, THERE'S NOT A REAL OUTCRY FOR A STREETCAR.

WHAT THE OUTCRY IS, BECAUSE I REALLY THINK ONCE YOU START PUTTING IN THOSE ENHANCEMENTS, YOU'RE GOING TO FIX THE STREETS SO THAT THE MOBILITY FLOWS OF THAT UNIT. BUT WHAT WE DON'T HAVE ARE STREETS THAT WE CAN DRIVE OUR CARS ON MOTORCYCLES, WALKERS OR ANY MOTORIZED

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HEALTH AIDES.

AND THAT'S WHAT MY CONSTITUENTS KEEP ASKING FOR.

THERE WAS NO BIG SUPPORT.

I'M NOT EVEN STILL NOT GETTING ANY GOOD, GOOD REPORTS ABOUT THE DART RAIL THAT THAT WAS LAID OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF LANCASTER CORRIDOR.

WE DIDN'T GET ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT.

SO I WOULD SIMPLY SAY THAT THE THE STREETCARS ARE CUTE.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE THEM.

BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST ME.

IT'S ABOUT THE PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY.

CAN THEY GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO WITH A GOOD BUS? I WOULD SAY SO.

BUT I'M TELLING YOU, I'M NOT HAVING I'M NOT BEING INUNDATED WITH THE CRY TO PUT IN STREETCARS.

YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT EVEN SOME ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WITH ALL THE CABLES THAT ARE ALL CONFIGURED, ALL ON TOP OF THAT UNIT.

SOMETIMES I WONDER IF THE FOLKS ON THE STREETCAR ARE GOING TO GET ELECTROCUTED.

IT'S JUST THAT MUCH CONFUSION.

AND SO I WOULD SAY FOR US RIGHT NOW, WE SIMPLY WANT A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION THAT PROVIDES CLEANLINESS. AS I JUST SHARED WITH SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT A PICTURE FROM THE STREETCAR OVER IN BISHOP ARTS, WHERE WE HAVE A HOMELESS PERSON EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE SLEEPING ON THE STREETCAR.

AND SO THE QUESTION BECOMES FOR ME, HOW OFTEN ARE WE RUNNING CHECKS TO CLEAN THE STREETCARS? YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME OTHER BEHAVIORS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ON A BUS WHERE FOLKS ARE HAVING SEX AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON, AND I JUST NEED DART TO DO THAT, TAKE CARE OF THE CLEANLINESS AND THE COLLECTIONS TO ENSURE THAT.

WE STARTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO COLLECTING A DOLLAR ON THAT STREETCAR.

AND SO I SEE A LOT OF REPORTS, AND I'VE BEEN CONCERNED SINCE ABOUT 2015 ON JUST THE MAINTENANCE.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE THE SYSTEM IS MALFUNCTIONING 3 OR 4 TIMES A DAY.

SO FOR FOR WHERE I AM RIGHT NOW, EVEN THOUGH WE WANT TO BE A CITY WITH A VARIETY OF MOBILITY OPTIONS, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME BASICS SO THAT WE CAN GET TO WORK, GET TO CHURCH.

WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES.

WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION.

A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING AROUND MY FRONT END IS TORN UP.

YOU KNOW, I ACTUALLY LOST PART OF MY WHEEL IN THE CRATER THAT WAS IN THE STREET.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PUSHING FOR RIGHT NOW, IS THE STREETS.

AND THEN, OF COURSE, WE WILL GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF HOW WE CAN BENEFIT FROM SOME OF THESE ITEMS, SOME OF THESE MOBILITY OPTIONS.

SO RIGHT NOW I'M JUST STILL TRYING TO GET THE BUS THAT WILL GET US TO WORK AND GET.

AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE AN ECONOMIC BOOM SO THAT WE'RE NOT CONTINUOUSLY LABELED AS THE WORKING POOR, BECAUSE BY THE TIME WE GET ON THE BUS AND DRIVE ALL THE WAY ACROSS TOWN AND, YOU KNOW, HOP ON TO.

BUSSES. I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.

IT TAKES OUR FUNDS, OUR MONIES TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

SO YOU JUST WANT ME RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF CHIME IN ON THE STREETCAR.

AND RIGHT NOW, ALL WE WANT ARE THOSE STREETS FIXED SO THE REGULAR CARS CAN MOVE ABOUT WITHOUT A LOT OF DAMAGE AND CONFUSION AND FRUSTRATION TO THE DRIVERS? SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THAT'S MY $0.04 THIS MORNING ON THIS ITEM.

THANK YOU. MADAM SECRETARY.

I NEED YOU TO HELP ME FIGURE OUT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE QUEUE BECAUSE IT KEEPS JAYNIE SCHULTZ WAS AT THE TOP BEFORE, AND THEN SHE'S GOTTEN PUSHED DOWN ALL THE WAY DOWN BEHIND.

NO. SORRY, SIR. I DROPPED OFF AND THEN WENT BACK ON.

I APOLOGIZE, THAT WAS ME.

OKAY. BECAUSE PUT CARA AT THE TOP WAS ALREADY SPOKEN ONCE AND THEN.

SO I'M GOING TO GO. DO YOU WANT DID YOU WANT TO JUMP BACK IN.

DO YOU WANT TO GET IN BECAUSE YOU REALLY WERE AHEAD OF CARA AND MAYOR PRO TEM ORIGINALLY, DID YOU? THANK YOU SIR. SURE. YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU SIR. YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO SAY I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING HOW IRONIC.

OF COURSE, THIS ALL IS, THAT WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN STREETCARS THAT WERE ALL HERE AND THEN REMOVED.

SO I JUST DON'T WANT OUR PUBLIC TO LOSE TRACK OF THAT FACT.

AND SO I THINK IN THAT LIGHT AND IN THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE SO MANY MISTAKES OVER THE YEARS AS A CITY IN GOING WITH THINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, FIRST, THERE WERE STREETCARS, WHICH WERE AWESOME AND PROVIDED TRANSPORTATION, AND THEN CARS BECAME POPULAR.

AND AS I LEARNED THIS MORNING, YOU KNOW, BUSSES WERE PUSHED OUT.

AND SO AS WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE THINK ABOUT THE LONG TERM OF ALL OF THIS.

AND SO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY WE KNOW AS A CITY THAT WE WANT TO GO TO A VERY WALKABLE, VERY ACCESSIBLE, NON

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SUBURBAN MODEL CITY.

WE KNOW THAT SUBURBS ARE NOT GOOD FOR CITIES IN THE SENSE OF THAT STYLE.

SO THAT IS THE NORTH STAR.

AND THE QUESTION REALLY TO ME IS WHICH IS THE BEST SYSTEM THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND IT'S GOING TO BE MULTI MODAL.

WE KNOW THAT. WE ALSO KNOW THAT TESTING PIECEMEAL THINGS LIKE THE OAK CLIFF AND THE AND THE MARTA ARE GREAT.

AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE WORKING BETTER.

AND WE ALSO KNOW EVERYTHING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA SAID WAS VERY VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THAT PERSPECTIVE.

SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OF DO WE WANT TO DO THIS PIECEMEAL? DO WE WANT TO DO THIS LARGER PIECE? WE KNOW THAT WHEN WE TRY TO DO A SYSTEMIC MODEL CHANGE IN DALLAS, IT'S VERY HARD BECAUSE UNLESS YOU HAVE CHAMPIONS FOR THIS, IT'S GOING TO LANGUISH AS WE SEE HERE.

THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS A GREAT IDEA MANY YEARS AGO, AND IT JUST LANGUISHED BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE INTERNAL CHAMPIONS.

SO I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION TO ASK IS, DO WE HAVE THOSE INTERNAL CHAMPIONS TO MAKE THIS SYSTEM SYSTEMIC CHANGE, WHETHER IT'S STREETCARS, WHETHER IT'S BUSSES, WHATEVER IT IS, BUT THAT CONNECTIVITY FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOODS INTO OUR CBD, WHAT IS THAT THAT WE WANT TO HAPPEN AND WHAT IS THE CHANGE? AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST MODE FOR THAT.

I KNOW, I KNOW, WE HAVE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE PREPARED AND READY TO ACT ON THIS TIRELESSLY THROUGHOUT THEIR TERMS ON COUNCIL, BUT WE HAVE TO DETERMINE INTERNALLY WHETHER OR NOT WE DO.

AND I KNOW YOU ALL ARE STRETCHED TO YOUR LIMIT.

I KNOW DDE IS STRETCHED TO ITS LIMIT.

SO MAYBE THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION WE NEED TO ASK IS, DO WE EVEN HAVE THE CAPACITY TO EVEN TO TAKE THIS CONVERSATION SERIOUSLY? AND IF WE DO, AND WE DO HAVE THAT DESIRE FROM THE PROFESSIONAL SIDE OF IT, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO BRING OUR PARTNERS, OUR TRANSPORTATION PARTNERS, DART AND NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, TO THE TABLE TO SAY, HELP US FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DONE.

WE CANNOT DO THIS ALONE.

WE CAN'T.

SO I THINK THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION, MR. CITY MANAGER, IS WE HAVE TO DECIDE AS A CITY INTERNALLY, WHAT IS OUR COMMITMENT TO THIS CONNECTIVITY TO OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT? AND AGAIN, AS AS COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA SAID OF GETTING OUR OWN DALLAS PEOPLE MOVING WITHIN DALLAS.

AND IF THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH DART, SO BE IT.

THAT MAY BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE IN TERMS OF HOW WE GET IT FUNDED.

BUT FIRST WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT IS OUR PLAN? WHAT IS OUR NORTH STAR FOR THIS? I MEAN, MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE LISTENED TO THE 15 MINUTE CITY CONVERSATION THAT'S GOING ALL OVER THE PRESS, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR GDI TO REALLY PUSH OUT.

BY THE WAY, THE NEW YORK TIMES, THE DAILY REPORT ON THAT, IS THAT WHAT WE WANT AS A NORTH STAR, WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE NEVER DISCUSSED WHAT DO WE WANT? WHAT DO WE WANT? DO WE WANT EVERYBODY WHO LIVES WITHIN AN X RADIUS OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO DRIVE? WHAT DO WE WANT? DO WE WANT HUBS AND.

FOLKS FOR OUR VARIOUS DISTRICTS.

WHAT DO WE WANT AS A CITY? AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE OVER THE NEXT YEAR OF USING FORWARD DALLAS AND SOME OF THE OTHER TOOLS THAT WE ARE GETTING THERE, BUT THAT WILL DRIVE THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE WE START SAYING WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE A PARTICULAR ROUTE ON A STREETCAR.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THAT'S IT.

MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

ITEM B. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN ESHOO, FOR THAT GOOD, ELOQUENT STATEMENT ABOUT TRANSPORTATION.

AND IT'S TRANSPORTATION IS REALLY ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY.

YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE STREETCAR OVER AND ON ZANE STREET IN DISTRICT ONE, IT WAS ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND YOU SEE WHAT TYPE OF SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IT DID BRING IT BRING BUSINESS.

IT BRING MONEY TO THE TAXPAYER.

PEOPLE STARTED MOVING IN, BROUGHT DENSITY.

IT BROUGHT WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH OUR TRANSPORTATION.

IT'S CONNECT DOWNTOWN DALLAS WE LOOK AT STREETCAR, GO BACK TO CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA.

ONE OF THE FIRST STREETCAR WAS ON FOREST AVENUE.

WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT.

AND THAT WAS A SPURRING DEVELOPMENT, ONE OF THE BEST DEVELOPMENT GOING ON, GOING BACK AND FORTH ON FOREST AVENUE TO THE FIRE PART IN OAK CLIFF CONNECTIVITY.

AND WHEN THAT STREETCAR WENT AWAY, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.

ECONOMY WENT DOWN.

YOU LOOK AT ALSO WE LOOK AT THE LIGHT RAIL GOING DOWN LANCASTER.

GREAT. GREAT PROJECT.

BUT WHAT THEY DID WAS WE DID NOT LOOK AT TO DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE RAN IT DOWN STRAIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.

WE LEARNED FROM THAT. AND WHEN WE BROUGHT THE LIGHT RAIL TO UNT DALLAS, WE WENT AND BOUGHT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OUTSIDE THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GET THERE.

BUT WE ALSO WE STOPPED THAT.

SO STREETCARS AND AND TRANSPORTATION IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO IT'S TRYING TO FIND A WAY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE DALLAS TO MAKE SURE THAT CONNECTIVITY IS THAT WE

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DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A CAR, BECAUSE IF YOU WORKING AND YOU'RE MAKING $4,000 A MONTH, YOU ARE COMPLETELY TRANSPORTATION POOR BECAUSE YOU SPENDING ALMOST A THIRD OR A 40% OF YOUR INCOME ON TRANSPORTATION.

SO I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS IN A BROAD PICTURE, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT COMPLETELY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY THAT IS NORTH, EAST, SOUTH AND WEST. WE CONTROL THE MONEY TO THE INLAND PORT.

FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, WE COULDN'T GET WORKERS TO THE INLAND PORT BECAUSE THEY STOPPED AT THE LIGHT RAIL.

AND SO WE HAD TO GO THROUGH STAR TRANSIT, ANOTHER MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION, GOING TO THE LIGHT RAIL OR GOING TO THE THE STOP OF WHAT STREET STREETCAR STOP AT TO SEND ANOTHER TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET THE PEOPLE FROM THERE TO THE INLAND PORT TO ORDER TO GET WORK. SO I'M GUESSING GUS AND DR.

PEREZ IS THE STREETCAR IS REALLY NOT ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

IT'S ALSO ABOUT TO START A CONVERSATION THAT WE ALL NEED TO KNOW HOW WE CONNECT TRANSPORTATION THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY TO GROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHAT ABOUT BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WHO CAN GET ON A LIGHT RAIL OR WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT BUYING TRANSPORTATION, WITHOUT BUYING A CAR IS GOING TO BETTER THE CITY.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT D TWO.

SO ARE WE LOOKING AT D TWO TAKING THAT OFF THE MAP.

A MAYOR PRO TEM. SO AS I WAS SITTING HERE LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION, I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE EARLIER THIS YEAR. AND I THINK THAT ESPECIALLY WITH WITH MICHAEL MORRIS INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION, PARTICULARLY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE HAVING WITH DART.

EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT REIMAGINING D2 IN TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE, AND AS I RECALL, EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO IS ON THAT COMMITTEE WAS IN SUPPORT OF REIMAGINING D2, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING TO THE RIDERSHIP LEVELS THAT WOULD TRIGGER D2.

AND EVERY EVERY COMMITTEE MEMBER THAT I SPOKE TO WAS IN SUPPORT OF REIMAGINING D2.

SO IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR US TO REIMAGINE THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AT TODAY.

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR DART THAT THEY'LL SUPPORT US ON ON FUNDING IT.

I CAN'T I CAN'T SPEAK FOR DART.

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE CAN TALK TO THEM ABOUT NEXT MONTH AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.

BUT I DO WANT TO IF I COULD JUST TAKE US BACK TO THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT POTENTIALLY REIMAGINING D2.

UNDERSTANDING THE RIDERSHIP TRENDS.

SO I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING, OBVIOUSLY, THAT THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON.

BUT AGAIN, I WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT POTENTIALLY REIMAGINING D2.

WELL, I SAY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A DART BOARD.

I THINK WE HAD SEVEN AND MAYBE ABOUT HALF A PERSON ON THE DART BOARD.

I THINK THAT'S DART BOARD MEMBERS.

THEY NEED REIMAGINING THE CITY OF DALLAS.

I MEAN, I KNOW THEY WORK FOR THE REGION, BUT THEY ARE OUR APPOINTEES.

AND AND SO THEY SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS FIRST.

THE KEY IS WHAT I'M SAYING, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STREETCAR.

YES, WE DO NEED A STREETCAR.

IT IS GOING TO BRING DOWNTOWN.

WE GOT TO BUILD RIDERSHIP.

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT THE CITY AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION WISE.

AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE DEAL WITH OTHER CITIES IN THE LAST LEGISLATURE, YOU KNOW, THAT, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO SAY GO AND TAKE OUR CONTROL AWAY FROM THE LOCAL CONTROL. WE WANT TO KEEP OUR CONTROL IN THE HAND.

BECAUSE I FELT THAT AS A LEGISLATOR, LAST LEGISLATOR, THAT THEY WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY, YOU KNOW? SO LET'S WORK OUT OUR DIFFERENT HERE AND LET US TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN CITY LOCALLY HERE, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS TRANSPORTATION, BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT DO GROW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE NEED DR.

PEREZ TO MAKE SURE THAT THE O&M, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MAINTAIN THAT.

THAT'S THE QUESTION TODAY.

HOW DO WE MAINTAIN IT? RIGHT. AND MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK THAT AS PART OF THE INITIAL ANALYSIS, I MEAN, WE HAVE LOOKED AT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURES THAT COULD FUND THIS.

I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME PRELIMINARY TALKS, $7 MILLION OR SO IS WHAT THE O&M COSTS MIGHT BE FOR THE CENTRAL LINK.

AND SO, YEAH, SO WE'RE DEFINITELY COGNIZANT OF OF THE O&M IMPACTS.

AND THEN WE ARE LOOKING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT IN TANDEM WITH, I MEAN, MAYBE AGAIN, HEARING EVEN THE CONNECTIVITY DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING TODAY, WE COULD PUT SOME OF THESE

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STOPS ALONG WITH THE DART STOPS SO THAT IF SOMEBODY GETS ON, GETS OFF ON A BUS OR ONE OF THE LIGHT RAIL TRAINS, I MEAN, THEY COULD AUTOMATICALLY GET ON THOSE STREETCARS.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS AS TO HOW WE MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL.

HOW HIGH IS THE ODIUM FINANCE NOW SPONSOR.

WHO PAID FOR THAT. THE CURRENT OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE CONTRIBUTIONS.

SO WE HAVE SOME COMMITMENTS FROM DART THAT ALMOST 700,000 OR SO, AND THE CITY PAYS ABOUT 1.5 MILLION AND THE OTHER WE HAVE LIKE $50,000 PROJECTED IN FROM THE FARE REVENUE THAT GOES INTO THE SYSTEM AND THE MONEY FROM THE CITY.

WHICH DEPARTMENT OF WHAT BUDGET DOES THAT COME FROM? IT IS CURRENTLY IN THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.

AND IS THERE ANOTHER WAY THAT THE CITY, DALLAS, DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE O&M THAT DART CAN PAY FOR THIS 100%? I THINK THIS WAS ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES, IF YOU WILL, IN THE D2 RESOLUTION, IS THAT IF THE D2 IF COUNCIL DECIDED THAT D2 IS TO BE DEFERRED, THEN THERE WILL BE A CONVERSATION WITH DART ABOUT THE STREETCAR AS A WHOLE, THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COSTS.

BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IF D2 IS NO LONGER THERE, THEN ALL THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF D2 IS NO LONGER BEING ENCUMBERED, AND THEREFORE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

AGAIN, THIS IS THE REASON WHY THIS ITEM IS LINKED TO THE D2 DISCUSSION, IS BECAUSE OF WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DO, AND THE DIRECTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

AND, AND THUS THE DISCUSSION OF THE O&M AND THE OVERALL DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE SYSTEM, AND WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? WE'RE TAKING MONEY FROM THE D2 RIGHT NOW TO FINANCE THE STREETCAR.

WITH THAT JEOPARDIZE THE D2.

IT IS A DISCUSSION TO HAVE.

AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE MAGNITUDE AND WHAT THE MAGNITUDE AND THE STRATEGY, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS BEING TAKEN.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DECIDE THAT WE HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT DOES NOT CHANGE, FOR EXAMPLE, AS CONTRIBUTION, THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WAS SAYING I'M PAYING MORE AND OVER AND BEYOND WHAT IS CURRENTLY BEING EXPECTED. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THE CITY SAYS THROUGH THE COUNCIL THAT THE STREET CARS SHOULD BE A DART MANAGED ITEM AND SHOULD BE A DART ITEM, I MEAN THAT THAT IS SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY LIKE DOCTOR PEREZ MENTIONED, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF DART, BUT IT IS A POLICY DECISION OF WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO DO.

AND THEN THAT DETERMINES BASICALLY THE COMMITMENT AND HAS TO GO INTO THE FINANCIAL PLAN.

SO WHAT I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A DART ISSUE BECAUSE THE MONEY IN D TWO, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS GOING TO TAKE TO BUILD D TWO.

SO THEREFORE THERE IS A SURPLUS MONEY THERE WHICH WE'RE NOT USING.

SO WHY CANNOT BE USED TO DO THE MAINTENANCE.

IS THAT? I'M SORRY.

THAT'S A QUESTION. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? THE POINT IS THAT ON THE D2, YOU GOT MONEY IN THE D2 RIGHT NOW.

WHY WE CANNOT USE THAT MONEY TO SPONSOR OEM ON THE THE STREET CAR? WHY COULDN'T WHY WE CANNOT USE THAT NOW AND THEN.

JUST A POLICY THAT SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE IT FOR THIS ROUND.

BUT PLEASE ANSWER THAT.

BUT THAT'LL BE THE LAST QUESTION FOR THIS ROUND.

THANK YOU. I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A DART BOARD DECISION IN THE SENSE THAT SINCE THE THEY APPROVED THE FINANCIAL PLAN AND THEY DECIDE WHERE THAT MONEY IS AND WHERE TO PUT THAT MONEY.

SO AT THIS POINT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CURRENT 20 YEAR FINANCIAL PLAN, THAT DART BOARD, I THINK, APPROVED, DID NOT INCLUDE THE PROVISIONS FOR THE D2. MS..

WILLIS RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B, AND THEN I THINK WE'RE GOING TO.

CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ. YOU'LL BE NEXT.

THANK YOU. SINCE SO MUCH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, I THINK THIS IS MORE A COLLECTION OF THOUGHTS, SOME SUPPORTIVE AND JUST SOME QUESTIONS.

DISTRICT 13 PROBABLY HAS TWO THIRDS.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'D CALL IT A MASS TRANSIT DESERT, BUT IT'S THIRSTY.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S AN ASSUMPTION THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T GET OUT OF THEIR CARS AND USE SOMETHING LIKE, IF IT'S NOT AN ELECTRIC STREET CAR AND IT'S NOT A BUS,

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WHICH I DON'T THINK WE LIVE IN A WORLD LIKE CHICAGO AND NEW YORK, WHERE PEOPLE DON'T THINK TWICE ABOUT HOPPING ON A BUS HERE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF MAYBE A STIGMA, BUT ACUTE BUS THAT LOOKED KIND OF LIKE A STREETCAR THAT USED EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE THERE MIGHT BE RECEPTIVITY TO.

I THINK THERE WOULD BE.

WE DEFINITELY NEED TO EVALUATE OR REEVALUATE ECONOMIC IMPACT.

WE'VE GOT A NEW CONVENTION CENTER THAT'LL BE COMING ONLINE IN A FEW YEARS, BUT TO THE POINT THAT MR. BAZALDUA MADE, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO HAVE A VISION OF BEING WALKABLE.

SO HOW MANY CHOICES DO WE WANT TO GIVE? HOW NECESSARY IS THIS? AND I WOULD ASSUME THIS ECONOMIC IMPACT OR NOT ASSUME, BUT WOULD WANT THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY TO EVALUATE WHAT OUR CONVENTIONEERS AND THE DISTRIBUTION OF HOTELS AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE WALKING VERSUS NEEDING TO GET ONTO A STREETCAR.

THE O&M ANALYSIS, YES, ALL DAY LONG.

WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER.

I MEAN, BECAUSE MY BIGGER STRUGGLE IS PHILOSOPHICAL AND THAT IS.

STREETCAR SYSTEM OWNERSHIP.

THIS ISN'T OUR CORE COMPETENCY.

SO DO YOU SAY THIS ISN'T OUR CORE COMPETENCY? SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO BUY IT? OR DO YOU SAY THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF DART WHO WE FUND GENEROUSLY? OUR TAXPAYERS DO.

AND I'M LOOKING AT THE MISSION STATEMENT ABOUT OPTIONS FOR RIDERS THAT ENHANCES QUALITY OF LIFE AND STIMULATES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S GREAT. IT TALKS IN TERMS OF OUR RIDERS.

WHEN I FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE AGREEMENT IN THE 2019 MASTER ILA IS SYSTEM SAFETY.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE DETERRING RIDERSHIP GROWTH BECAUSE OF THE THE EXPERIENCE, THE RIDERSHIP EXPERIENCE, WHETHER IT'S SOMEONE STANDING, SITTING ON A CURB AT A BUS STOP, WHICH I SEE ALL THE TIME, OR THE SAFETY, THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM ARNOLD POINTED OUT ABOUT PEOPLE RIDING AND SLEEPING AND OTHER THINGS ON ON LIGHT RAIL AND ON BUSSES, AND SO HOW THE PIECES OF THIS PUZZLE COME TOGETHER IS BEYOND AN ECONOMIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND AN O&M ANALYSIS.

AND I THINK IT'S GETTING AT SOME FUNDAMENTALS THAT WE CONTINUALLY HEAR ABOUT, BUT DON'T SEEM TO BE GETTING ADDRESSED IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

SO THOSE ARE THE THOUGHTS I WANT TO TO LEAVE YOU WITH.

THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS DR.

PEREZ OR CITY MANAGER IS JUST THE DISTRIBUTION SOMETIMES FEELS LOPSIDED OR INAPPROPRIATE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF FUNDING.

AND I WOULD ASK OUR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND THEIR TRANSIT AUTHORITIES, DO THEY BALANCE THEIR FUNDING IN A SIMILAR WAY THAT THAT WE HAVE IN THIS MASTER ILA? ARE WE AN ANOMALY? ARE WE THE NORM? I JUST I DON'T HAVE A SENSE OF WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MORE CLOSELY EXAMINE.

AS FAR AS OTHER TRANSIT AUTHORITIES, MA'AM, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

I WILL TELL YOU SPECIFICALLY FOR DART.

I BELIEVE THAT OUR OTHER PARTNER CITIES FEEL THAT THEY GET LESS SERVICE THAN THAN WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO, AGAIN, FOR THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES OR OTHER TRANSIT AUTHORITIES, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT.

AND THEN WE CAN ALSO FURTHER ELABORATE ON US COMPARED TO THE OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE DART AREA.

SO IT'S THERE, BUT IT'S ALSO LOOKING ACROSS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

AND YOU KNOW, WE BEAR A COST, BUT WE ALSO MAY HAVE GREATER RETURN ON ON THAT.

SO I WOULD HOPE I WOULD HOPE WE KEEP THAT IN PERSPECTIVE AND APPROPRIATELY BALANCED WITH WHAT WE WOULD BE FUNDING OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING OR ASKING OUR TAXPAYERS TO DO.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN NARVAEZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM B.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I'M REALLY GLAD WE GOT TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AS A FULL BODY AND NOT JUST COMMITTEE.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY IS BECAUSE YOU HEARD.

YOU'VE HEARD SO MANY DIFFERENT THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS AND WHAT WAS GOING ON.

SO IF WE JUST DID COMMITTEE AND THEN WE CAME HERE, WE WOULD HAVE ENDED UP WITH ALMOST LIKE STARTING ALL OVER.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE APPROPRIATE PLACE IN THE RIGHT SPOT.

AND WHEN I WAS ASKED ABOUT THAT, I SAID, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

LET'S DO IT AT FULL COUNCIL AND NOT HAVE THIS DONE IN COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST IT MADE THE PROCESS EVEN HARDER I THINK.

SO I'VE BEEN LISTENING AND I'M A SUPPORTER OF STREETCAR.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY IS BECAUSE IT'S AN ALTERNATIVE MODE OF TRANSPORTATION AND YOU CAN'T JUST THINK OF ANY MORE ON JUST RAIL AND BUSSES, BECAUSE RAIL AND BUS DON'T GO EVERYWHERE OR GET TO EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE NEED.

AND DART'S DONE. THEY'VE BEEN DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF REIMAGINING HOW TO DO THAT.

THEY HAVE GO LINK NOW AND THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS.

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AND JUST YESTERDAY, THE PILOT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE THROUGH TOYOTA FOR WEST DALLAS WITH THE ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS, THAT KIND OF LIKE A RIDESHARE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN APP THERE, FREE RIDES.

JUST YESTERDAY THE BOARD APPROVED FOR THE PILOT TO CONTINUE UNDER DART.

SO THERE ARE WAYS TO LOOK AT IT.

AND THAT THAT PILOT THROUGH TOYOTA WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THE 2 OR 3 VEHICLES.

THEY HAD DARTS PUT SIX NOW, AND THERE'S 4000 RIDERS A MONTH USING THOSE LITTLE GOLF CARTS.

AND NOW GRANTED, YOU ONLY GET TO STAY IN WEST DALLAS.

AND YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT CROSSES THE RIVER, YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S I THINK DART EXTENDED IT TO GET YOU TO THE EDGE OF DOWNTOWN.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'D REALLY WANT THESE GOING ALL THAT FAR BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, NICE GOLF CARTS.

BUT THIS IS ABOUT ALL ALTERNATIVE USES OF TRANSPORTATION.

WHAT WORKS FOR THAT AREA FOR THOSE FOLKS.

AND THIS IS WORKING IN WEST DALLAS BECAUSE WE HAD TO THINK OF SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET RAIL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, THIS SOMETHING BIG.

WE'RE GOING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT.

WE'RE SO FAR DOWN THE PATH WAITING THAT WE COULDN'T WAIT ANYMORE.

SO BUT SO I APPRECIATE DART, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH US.

YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT CENTRAL LINK.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT WE'VE GOT TO DO IT RIGHT.

SO CENTRAL LINK, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE MR. BAZALDUA ABOUT THE SPINES AND HOW YOU GET GET SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT OAK CLIFF, SOUTH DALLAS AND THEN GOING INTO WEST DALLAS WHERE WE AREN'T GOING TO GET RAIL OR WHERE IT'S SO SPARSE AND SO FAR APART THAT THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO THE RIGHT PLACE.

I ALWAYS HEAR MY COLLEAGUE MR. ATKINS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WEST, EAST CONNECTIONS.

STREETCAR CAN BE THOSE WEST EAST CONNECTIONS IF WE DO IT PROPERLY.

AND THOSE ARE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.

O&M IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, AND I'M GLAD THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP.

I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF STUDY.

I DO APPRECIATE SEEING, YOU KNOW, HEARING THAT THESE FIRST STUDY JUST DIDN'T REALLY GET US WHERE WE NEEDED TO GET, YOU KNOW, BUT A LOT OF THINGS ARE GOING TO ABOUT TO HAPPEN DOWNTOWN, MR. MAYOR, WHICH IS LIKE WE'RE ABOUT TO YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGH SPEED RAIL.

WE'RE GOING TO REDO EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON UNION STATION, WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE A BRAND NEW CONVENTION CENTER.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE HUGE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THIS BODY APPROVED THAT ARE LITERALLY JUST BEHIND US.

AND, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE EMPTY PARKING LOTS.

AND YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S COMING.

AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONS AND TONS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS AREA THAT DON'T AREN'T HERE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO IF WE CAN GET AHEAD OF OURSELVES INSTEAD OF TRYING TO REACT POST, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE IN BETTER SHAPE.

AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT THE FASTER WE CAN MOVE COLLEAGUES, THE BETTER.

THERE'S A PRESIDENT BIDEN SIGNED SOMETHING CALLED THE INFRASTRUCTURE ACT, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN DOING REALLY, REALLY WELL AS A CITY WITH OUR AIRPORTS AND DART AND OTHER ENTITIES, AS WELL AS US GAINING DOLLARS IN ORDER TO GET THAT IMPACT FROM THOSE FROM THOSE FEDERAL DOLLARS. SO THAT MIGHT BE A PLACE.

AND AGAIN, THE STUDY HAS TO BE DONE FIRST.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT SO LONG THAT WE END UP MISSING OUT ON SOME REALLY, REALLY GREAT DOLLARS THAT COULD BE THERE TO HELP US PAY FOR PAY FOR THIS.

THE OTHER THING MY COLLEAGUE, MR. MORENO SAID IT VERY WELL, YOU KNOW, RECONNECTING THE CEDARS AND DOWNTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, DEEP ELLUM AND ALL THESE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE JUST ADJACENT TO.

BUT IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO WALK, AND THE BUS DOESN'T REALLY GET YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO GET FOR EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO DO.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE. HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT MY FIVE MINUTES WENT FAST.

BUT LET'S KEEP WORKING.

WE'VE GOT A LOT, A LOT TO THINK OF.

AND MR. ATKINS SAID IT RIGHT.

THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER.

WE GET THIS RIGHT.

THAT TAX BASE IS GOING TO INCREASE SO FAST AND SO FURIOUSLY FOR US.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THE OPERATING COSTS ARE IN THE FUTURE MR. MAYOR, BUT JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT IN THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OF COURSE MR. BLACKMON YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

SO I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON THE CENTRAL LINK.

I THINK IT'S LIKE 108 THE MANUAL TO BUILD IT.

IT'S 108IN CAPITAL MILLION IN CAPITAL COSTS.

WHAT THE THAT NUMBER SOUNDS FROM THE LATEST DATA PROVIDED BY DART.

CLOSE THAT AND THOSE ARE TODAY'S NUMBERS AS FAR AS I KNOW OKAY.

AND MY QUESTION IS THEN TO THE CAPITAL COSTS WOULD COME FROM OUR GENERAL FUND.

OR WOULD WE GO SEEK IT FROM OTHER ENTITIES? YEAH. I DON'T FORESEE IT TO BE FROM THE LOCAL.

IF THERE IS ANY, IT WILL HAVE TO BE THE LOCAL MATCH THAT SAY FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE GO AFTER FEDERAL GRANTS, THEN WE MAY HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE

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LOCAL MATCH 20%, 20% MINIMUM.

OBVIOUSLY THEY GIVE US ADDITIONAL CREDIT IF WE INCREASE THE LOCAL MATCH.

SO THIS IS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF WORK WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND SEE BASICALLY, ONCE I BELIEVE THAT ONCE WE HAVE A ROBUST PLAN IN PLACE, THEN WE CAN START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

OKAY. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN 2005, I MEAN, THEY WE KIND OF DECIDED THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE THE PLAN SAID WE WERE GOING TO CREATE A STREETCAR AGAIN.

AND SO WE'VE KIND OF STARTED THAT.

RIGHT. IS THAT WHAT THIS IS? SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS DO WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD OR DO WE KEEP A FRAGMENTED SYSTEM? SO GO AHEAD.

I MEAN, JUST REAL QUICK.

I MEAN, AGAIN, THIS IS THE REASON WHY ON THE PROPOSED NEXT STEPS, I RECOMMEND THAT WE TAKE A HOLISTIC LOOK AT THE SYSTEM, BOTH THE SYSTEM LINKAGES, THE SYSTEM VIABILITY, THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE, AND THE BENEFIT COST.

WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF IT? AND AND THIS IS WHY, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE TAKING A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH, BUT DEFINITELY IN TANDEM.

THE DOWNTOWN LINK IS A KEY ONE TO CONNECT THE MARTA TO THE SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE VIABLE SYSTEM.

AND THEN THERE COULD BE ALSO PART OR OPTIONS IN THE SYSTEM.

THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE FIXED GUIDEWAY.

WE COULD HAVE THE RUBBER WHEELED TYPE.

CORRECT. THAT COULD SERVE THAT PURPOSE AT MUCH LOWER COST AND HAVE HIGHER FLEXIBILITY AND TAKE IT IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.

SO SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I AM RECOMMENDING TO THIS BODY THAT WHEN WE APPROACH THIS STUDY, WE APPROACH IT FROM THAT LEVEL OF LOOKING WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE TO IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE SYSTEM? BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO GO THAT WAY EVEN BECAUSE LIKE GARLAND ROAD, FERGUSON ROAD, AND IT MAY BE TOO EXPENSIVE, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO CREATE THOSE CONNECTIONS INTO THE SYSTEM.

AND SO, OKAY, THAT YOU WERE ON THE SAME PAGE AS ME.

YES, MA'AM. WHICH LEADS ME INTO HOW DOES THE PRIVATE SECTOR PLAY IN THIS? NOT JUST ON THE OUTSIDE AS FAR AS THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, BUT IN PARTICIPATING IN THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STREET LINE OF THE, YOU KNOW, DO DO YOU SELL IT OFF, DO YOU LEASE IT? HAVE WE IS THAT WILL THAT BE PART OF THE STUDY OR HAVE YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ON THAT.

CORRECT. I MEAN, DEFINITELY THE ONE THING IS THAT JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE MICROMOBILITY GROUP, THE THE MOBILITY GROUP HERE WITH DIDI, WE HAVE A MEMBERSHIP FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR IN THAT GROUP.

SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF EDUCATING THE FOLKS ON THE SYSTEM AND ALSO HAVE A GOOD ROBUST PLAN BEFORE WE START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IS THAT IF I'M GOING TO PUT IN A SYSTEM, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT COULD BE A HYBRID SYSTEM WHEREBY THE FIXED GUIDEWAY WILL BE THROUGH THE LINK THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN, AND THEN ALL THE FEEDERS THAT GO INTO, SAY, EAST DALLAS, WEST DALLAS, OAK CLIFF, I MEAN, I MEAN CEDARS FAIR PARK AREA, BE THROUGH THE RUBBER WHEEL CONNECTIVITY, BUT IT WILL BE ACTING IN A SIMILAR MANNER AS IF IT IS A GUIDED SYSTEM, FIXED GUIDEWAY SYSTEM.

SO ALL THESE THINGS ARE GOOD IDEAS, BUT WE HAVE TO KIND OF PUT THEM ON PAPER.

BUT IF PRESENT THE INITIAL DRAFT, GET THE FEEDBACK AND START BUILDING UP THE SYSTEM SO THAT IT WILL BENEFIT EVERYONE AND NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING SOMETHING A $100 MILLION THAT ONLY GOES ONE MILE OR TWO MILES.

SO YOU ARE PLANNING TO BRING BACK TO THIS GROUP OR TO TRANSPORTATION A HOLISTIC PLAN THAT LOOKS AT ALL OF THIS OR JUST A SEGMENTED IT OUT? CORRECT. AND I NOTED IT IN THE LAST STEP IS CONTINUE CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL ON NEXT STEPS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO BE STEPPING IN STEPS WITH TOGETHER, BASICALLY AS WE MOVE THIS THING FORWARD TO GET BOTH THE POLICY AS WELL AS THE TECHNICAL COMPONENTS ALL WORKING TOGETHER IN TANDEM.

AND DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE? LIKE WE MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE AS WE'RE PROGRESSING, BUT DEFINITELY AT SOME POINT WE WILL HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER THE SCHEDULE OF, WITH WHAT I CALL IT, THE MILESTONE SCHEDULE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND WHAT IT WILL TAKE US BASICALLY ON AN INITIAL COST.

OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ROUND TWO.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, D TWO HAS BEEN PART OF POLICY CONSIDERATIONS OF THIS DALLAS CITY COUNCIL FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

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AND IT WAS REMOVED WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION OF THIS BODY.

SO IT'S INTERESTING WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, WELL, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT STREETCAR FOR A WHILE, SO THEREFORE WE MUST DO IT.

WELL, CLEARLY TIMES CHANGE AS WELL AS OUR NEEDS AND FUNDING.

I WANT TO THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR BEING ONE OF THE FIVE LEADERS WHO PUT TOGETHER A MEMO THAT WENT TO THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL ASKING FOR A REGION WIDE A NORTH TEXAS REGION WIDE STUDY.

I BELIEVE THERE'S NOW 18 MAYORS THAT HAVE SIGNED ON, AND THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION COUNCIL PASSED THIS MEASURE TO PROVIDE AN EXTREMELY HIGH LEVEL CONSULTING, OUTSIDE CONSULTING SERVICE TO REALLY DO THE EVALUATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES ASK OUR.

TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE.

I HOPE YOU DON'T DO IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE IS DOING IT, AND I DON'T THINK YOU DO HAVE THE TIME.

AND FRANKLY, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON ANOTHER CONSULTANT WHEN IT'S ALREADY BEING FUNDED.

I THINK WE WENT UP TO $5 MILLION.

SO THIS WILL BE THE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS WE NEED, AND IT WILL HIT ALL THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD MY COLLEAGUES TALK ABOUT.

THE REALITY IS, WITHOUT D TWO ON HERE, OUR CITY HAS BEEN CHEATED OUT OF AN INVESTMENT BY A CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

AND WE'VE ALLOWED THE SUBURBS TO PUT AN INVESTMENT RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF DISTRICT 12 WITH THIS SILVER LINE.

SO WE CAPITULATED TO DO THIS, AND WE HAVE LOST OUT.

AND DON'T THINK THAT IT'S NOT A LOSS BECAUSE IT IS.

AND WE NEED THAT INVESTMENT TO GO INTO SOMETHING.

NOW IF THAT INVESTMENT IS MOST NECESSARY FOR A CONNECTION DOWNTOWN.

GREAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY DOES.

THERE'S A LOT OF ANECDOTAL STORIES, BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF DATA.

I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD.

CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE RIDERSHIP IS RIGHT NOW AND PERHAPS IS A DARK QUESTION FOR THE STREETCAR? I'LL HAVE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE DARK BECAUSE THEY HAVE THOSE REPORTS.

STICK YOUR NAME. EVELIO HERNANDEZ DART FOR F Y. 23, WHICH IS OCTOBER 2022 TO SEPTEMBER 23RD.

THE RIDERSHIP WAS 161,697.

AND WHAT WAS THE REVENUE COLLECTED FROM FARES? THE REVENUE THE FARE COLLECTED FOR THAT SAME TIME FRAME WAS 94,116.

SO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER $70,000? SO THE THE THE STREETCAR FARE IS INTEGRATED INTO DART'S FARE STRUCTURE.

SO WE TREATED.

AS ONE.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT FOR, SAY, A TRIP STARTING IN BISHOP ARTS AND THEY TAKE THE STREETCAR AND THEY TAP.

THEN THE STREETCAR COLLECTS THE DOLLAR AND THEY TRANSFER TO LIGHT RAIL OR BUS, WHICH WE WOULD CHARGE $3 AND THEY TAP.

WE ONLY COLLECT TWO BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY COLLECTED ONE ON THE STREETCAR.

ON THE REVERSE TRIP, THEY GET ON THE RAIL OR BUS AND THEY TAP.

WE COLLECT $3.

HOWEVER, IF THEY TRANSFER TO STREETCAR THEN AND TAP, THEN WE COLLECT $0 BECAUSE THE THE FARE HAS ALREADY BEEN CREDITED TOWARDS THE THE RAIL OR BUS.

SO IT'S INTEGRATED INTO THE DART POLICY.

NOW THERE'S OTHER FACTORS.

WE HAVE REDUCED FARE SENIOR FARE JUST LIKE ON LIGHT RAIL AND BUSSES.

AND OF COURSE THERE'S OTHERS THAT THAT RIDE OR SYSTEM AND THEY THEY EVADE THE FARE. THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF THAT.

SO IT'S, IT'S A IT'S TREATED WITHIN OUR FARE POLICY.

OKAY. IF YOU CAN HOLD FOR JUST ONE MINUTE, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO GUS.

SO I BELIEVE WE SPENT OUT OF GENERAL FUND 1.7 MILLION TO OPERATE THE STREETCAR.

IS THAT CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO, IT'S VERY, VERY CLOSE.

1.6 OR 1.7.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER HERE.

AND THEN WITH THE RETURN OF SALES TAX FROM DART, I THINK WE'VE ALLOCATED $3 MILLION FOR US TO DO MAINTENANCE ON THE STREETCAR.

IS THAT CORRECT. THAT WAS THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE.

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CORRECT. BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN OUR AGREEMENT THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO MAINTENANCE.

ISN'T THAT RIGHT? I THINK THEY DO. THE REGULAR MAINTENANCE, THE THE CAPITAL MAINTENANCE IN THE AGREEMENT IS ON THE CITY OF DALLAS.

OKAY. SO I WANT TO GO BACK TO DART REAL QUICK AND SAY, I'VE RIDDEN THE STREETCAR THREE TIMES.

EVERY TIME I'VE BOUGHT A FULL DAY ON PASS, I'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO SHOW THAT I HAD A TICKET AND I'VE NEVER TAPPED ANYTHING.

SO YOU GOT TO PUSH THAT.

WE, WE DO NOT HAVE ON THE STREET CAR FULL TIME ENFORCEMENT.

WE DO PERIODIC CHECKS.

OTHERWISE THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER COST THAT WOULD BE ADDED TO THE O&M.

WE WE DO PERIODIC SPOT CHECKS FOR FARE COLLECTION.

YEAH. PEOPLE ARE STILL RIDING FOR FREE.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WHEN THERE IS A STUDY, IF THERE'S A STUDY, IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO INCLUDE THINGS OTHER THAN JUST STREET CAR.

AND WHAT ARE THE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS THAT COULD BE NEEDED? WE'VE GOT A VERY CHANGING LANDSCAPE FOR TRANSPORTATION, AND I'LL SAY THAT IF THE STUDY OF THE STREETCAR INDICATES THAT THERE ACTUALLY IS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF IT, THEN CERTAINLY THOSE BUSINESSES SHOULD BE PAYING THAT O&M AND THEY NEED A PID.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN, MORENO YOU RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING BIGGER THAN WHAT WE'RE THINKING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STREETCAR IS NOT ONLY.

THOUGHT ABOUT IT AS A SENSE OF A STREETCAR.

BUT IT'S BIKE LANES, IT'S BUSSES, IT'S TRAILS, IT'S RIDESHARE.

IT'S THE HYBRID MODEL THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER.

I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE THINKING BIGGER IN FUTURE PHASES AS WELL.

THE STREETCAR OVERALL IS ABOUT MOVING PEOPLE.

IT'S ALSO GOES INTO OUR VISION ZERO.

IT SLOWS TRAFFIC DOWN.

IT MAKES IT ACTS AS A COMMUTER BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN EAST, WEST, SOUTH DALLAS BRINGING THEM ALL TO THE WORK FORCE AND OUR RESIDENTS BACK DOWN TO CBD TOO, TO WHERE A MAJORITY OF OUR JOBS ARE, BUT ALSO CONCENTRATING IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THOSE CONNECTORS, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, I WANT TO I DO WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND GUS AND DOCTOR PEREZ.

I'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT OUR PARKING AUTHORITY DISTRICT AND HOW THAT CAN HELP, POTENTIALLY WITH THE OPERATION OF SOME OF THESE, WHETHER IT BE PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENTS OR STREETCAR.

WHERE ARE WE CURRENTLY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH A PARKING AUTHORITY IN THE CBD? SO WE'RE FINISHING UP THE CURB LANE MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND WE SHOULD BE BRIEFING COUNCIL SHORTLY ABOUT THAT. AND THAT INCLUDES THOSE OPTIONS.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, I LOOK AGAIN AS MATA AS ONE OF OUR EXAMPLES.

THEY HAVE OVER 600,000 ANNUAL TRIPS IN A VERY I THINK IT'S 3.5 MILES.

AND SO THE AMOUNT OF RIDERSHIP THAT THEY HAVE IS PHENOMENAL.

IN THEIR 30 YEAR EXISTENCE, THEY'VE EXPANDED SEVERAL TIMES TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO TO GET THAT PEAK DEMAND.

AND THEY ALSO RUN ON A DONATION SYSTEM.

AND THAT'S PROVEN A MODEL THAT THAT COULD BE SUCCESSFUL WITH ADVERTISEMENT.

WITH WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE WHO ARE INVESTING DIRECTLY IN MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE THAT THAT WANTS TO BE ABLE TO RIDE THAT THAT TROLLEY IS ABLE TO.

RIGHT. NEXT UP AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU NEED MORE DIRECTION FROM THIS COUNCIL, OR DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'VE HEARD IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD? I'M CURIOUS TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SOLIDIFY.

THAT THERE IS SUPPORT FOR THIS TO MOVE FORWARD.

I MEAN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK WE LAID OUT THE PLAN OF THE NEXT STEP.

SO AND WE HEARD THE FEEDBACK.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A SOME DIRECTION, IF YOU WILL, ON THE NEXT STEPS.

AND LIKE I MENTIONED AND WORKING WITH DTI IS THE CENTRAL LINK IS A KEY COMPONENT IN THE STUDY THAT DETERMINES WHAT THE SCOPE IS GOING TO BE OF ANY FURTHER STUDIES AND SO ON.

AND LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER, IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OVERALL SYSTEM LINKAGES AND EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS.

SO WITH THAT, I MEAN, YES, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR FOR DECADES, AND WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT, AND IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT I FEEL IS OVERALL SUPPORTIVE.

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SAYING THAT I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE TURNOVER, WHETHER IT BE AT THE STAFF LEVEL OR AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL.

ARE WE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR US TO ADOPT ROUTES? I KNOW YOU KNOW, FAIR PARK IS CRITICAL TO COUNCIL MEMBER BAZALDUA.

I'M TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COLUMBIA MAIN CORRIDOR SO THAT FUTURE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND FUTURE STAFF UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE ARE THE PRIORITIES.

ARE WE LOOKING TO SOLIDIFY ALTERNATIVE ROUTES? I THINK PART OF I MEAN, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS ACTIVE PARTICIPATION IN THE STUDIES THAT WE WILL BE CONDUCTING, ESPECIALLY THERE WILL BE INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL AS EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS DISCUSSION.

SO WE NEED ACTIVE PARTICIPATION SO THAT WHEN WE BRING PLANS TO COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION, THEN THOSE PLANS ARE WELL VETTED AND HAVE BEEN KIND OF ADOPTED OR ACCEPTED BY OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN BAZALDUA, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM B, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, UM, IS THERE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO AMEND THE LANGUAGE FOR OUR STREETCAR? AGREEMENT. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE 2019 WHERE WE CONSOLIDATED OF THE ISLAS.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, ANY AGREEMENT CAN BE AMENDED WITH THE AGREEMENT OF BOTH PARTIES.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO REQUEST AN AMENDMENT, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH.

I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF TOUCH ON THE SOME OF THE COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT BUSSES.

I AM A SUPPORTER OF BUSSES, BUT I THINK THAT THEY'RE THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN PURPOSE IN THE TRANSIT.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENCE OF THE TWO.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD GIVE SOME DATA ON Y'ALL'S BUS ROUTES, LIKE YOUR AVERAGE DISTANCE OF YOUR BUS ROUTES.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE AVERAGE DISTANCE OF RIDERSHIP ON THE BUSSES FOR FOR A TYPICAL RIDER.

WE CAN PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

I DO NOT HAVE IT WITH ME.

WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THE REPORT.

OKAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SOME COMPARATIVE DATA SO THAT WE CAN MAYBE.

MORE, I WOULD SAY, COMPREHENSIVELY DISCUSS WHAT OUR TRANSIT NEEDS ARE, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE BY ANY MEANS.

BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THEY ARE NOT BY BY ANY MEANS THE SAME TO COMPARE EACH OTHER TO.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ MENTIONED IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE PRIORITIZE.

AND I THINK THAT YOU ALL ARE GATHERING FEEDBACK, OF COURSE, HERE TODAY, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION IS OF WHAT THIS IS MEANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO MORE OF THE SAME AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT OUTCOME.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW WHAT THAT'S CALLED, AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IS HAPPENING WITHOUT US REALLY TAKING A LOOK AT AN OBJECTIVE GOAL FOR WHAT THIS WOULD ACCOMPLISH, INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING ANOTHER PROJECT TO ADD TO THE BOOKS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS IS DIRECTLY IN LINE WITH A LOT OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE WE'RE HEARING COME UP WITH THE BOND AND PRIORITIZING A LOT OF STREET MAINTENANCE.

THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF STREET MAINTENANCE, ESPECIALLY ALONG THOROUGHFARES, THAT WOULD THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT BOND DOLLARS IN AND THEN END UP TEARING UP TO PUT STREETCAR INTO.

SO I THINK THAT THIS HAS TO BE A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION THAT THAT GIVES YOU GUYS THE GUIDANCE ON HOW TO MAKE THIS MOST EFFECTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL.

BUT ALSO WITH THAT SAID, I WANT TO ALSO REITERATE TO YOU ALL THAT I WANT AN ALIGNMENT ON MLK.

IF Y'ALL DIDN'T HEAR THAT THE FIRST TIME, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL HEARD THAT AGAIN AND THAT I WILL CONTINUE TO HELP IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

I'D LOVE TO BE A PART OF ANY WORKING GROUP THAT YOU ALL DO COME UP WITH.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE PRIORITIZE MOVING DALLAS SITES.

AND AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WE ARE REALLY MISSING THE MARK.

I WOULD LIKE FROM MY SOUTHEAST DALLAS NEIGHBORHOOD, AN OPPORTUNITY TO RIDE MY BICYCLE TO A SHORT DISTANCE TO GET ON SOME TYPE OF TRANSIT AND IT BE SOMETHING CONDUCIVE TO ACTUALLY WALKABILITY.

INSTEAD OF IT TAKING ME TWO HOURS TO GET FROM MY HOUSE TO CITY HALL.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL JUST.

I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER ROUND. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COOL.

MAYOR PRO TEM, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES ON ITEM B? YES. I JUST WANT TO A QUICK QUESTION ON THE TIGER GRANT.

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WHEN WE RECEIVED THIS, IT SAID THAT THE ERA THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EMA OPERATING OR MAINTENANCE.

SO COULD Y'ALL PULL THE INFORMATION TO FIND OUT WHEN WE DID RECEIVE THE TIGER GRANT, WHAT WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR OPERATING MAINTENANCE, DID WE DO YOU KNOW? I THINK IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, THE THE THOSE AGREEMENTS SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY TO HANDLE THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE.

BUT DID WE CHOSE TO SPEND LIKE $877,000 IN 2016? THERE WAS A BIG DEBATE WHY SHOULD WE PAY IT FOR OPERATION? YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

I MEAN, THAT WAS LIKE I SAID BEFORE, MY TIME HERE AT THE CITY, SO.

WELL, I KNOW, BUT WE STILL YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT, YOU KNOW.

SO DURING THE TIGER GRANT, IT WAS ACTUALLY DART'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR THE O&M RIGHT OUT OF THE LOVE FIELD FUND MONEY.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE CONTRIBUTION THAT TODAY WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ANNUALLY TOWARDS THE STREETCAR.

SO REPEAT THAT AGAIN, PLEASE.

SO WHEN THE TIGER GRANT WAS RECEIVED, RIGHT, IT WAS DART'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR THE HONOR.

IT WOULD. IT WOULD DART RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO SAY NO.

SO WHY IS THE CITY RESPONSIBILITY TO PAY FOR IT NOW? WELL, NO.

SO THAT WAS WE CONTINUE WITH THAT CONTRIBUTION.

SO EACH YEAR WE CONTRIBUTE.

FOR FY 94 WE'RE CONTRIBUTING.

DART IS CONTRIBUTING $692,323.

AND THAT IS PER THE AGREEMENT OF THE TIGER GRANT BACK IN 2016.

OKAY. SO WHEN WE WHEN WE HAD RECEIVED THE TIGER GRANT, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY HAD DART CONTRIBUTED OF THE THREE CARD AND HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY OF DALLAS HAD CONTRIBUTED FOR OEM? I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT I CAN GET THAT NUMBER.

OKAY, OKAY.

OVER, OVER THE NEXT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, DART WILL CONTRIBUTE $3.7 MILLION TOWARDS THE O&M.

SO WHAT WOULD BE THE CITY'S SHARE? THAT I DO NOT HAVE AT THIS POINT.

DO WE HAVE THAT, MR..

DR. PEREZ? WHAT WOULD BE OUR SHARE? I'M SORRY, SIR. THE THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH THE CONTRIBUTION.

IT WAS LIKE $690,000 IN THIS YEAR.

AND LAST YEAR WAS 672, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

OKAY. HE SAID THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS GOING TO BE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS.

AND WE DO HAVE IT IN THE CONSOLIDATED AGREEMENT.

THAT IS AN APPENDIX, APPENDIX C, I THINK EITHER B OR C EXHIBIT H.

YEAH WE DO HAVE THAT. SORRY.

SO SO I'M TRYING TO SAY THAT WE ARE WE ARE IN A LOSS EACH YEAR ON THE STREETCAR.

AND SO HOW LONG DID THAT AGREEMENT LAST BEFORE WE CHANGE THAT AGREEMENT.

I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, OUR COMMITMENTS TO THE FEDERAL TO FTA, I THINK ENDS IN 2040.

SO AFTER 2040, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO WITH THE SYSTEM.

SO CURRENTLY, WE ARE COMMITTED TO CONTINUE OPERATING THE SYSTEM UNTIL THAT TIME.

SO SO THEREFORE IT WOULD BE FAIR TO SAY TODAY THAT THE CITY OF DALLAS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OPERATING MAINTENANCE OF THE STREETCAR UNTIL 2040. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT IS THE BASIS, I MEAN, FOR THE CURRENT OPERATION.

I MEAN, I WISH YOU TO STATE THAT EARLIER WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEBT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR THE STREETCAR TO OPERATE, TO MAINTAIN IT REGARDLESS.

IS THERE ONE GUY WRITING OR A THOUSAND PEOPLE WRITING? WE GOT TO PAY FOR THE DEBT, THE OPERATION? THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. OKAY.

IT'S ANYTHING, I GUESS.

TAMMY. LEGALLY.

I GUESS THIS WILL BE A LEGAL QUESTION.

IS ANYTHING THAT WHEN WE HAVE A TIGER GRANT, THAT WE SIGN AN AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR BOARD TO TRY TO RECOUP OR CHANGE THE STRUCTURE OR MAINTENANCE OF DART.

I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE D TO GET MONEY.

WE DID A D2.

SO I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THERE A PROCESS? I NEED TO PUSH THE RIGHT BUTTON.

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IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE TIME TIGER GRANT, THAT WAS A 2018 GRANT, AND THAT WAS A ONE TIME GRANT THAT SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT O AND E WAS NOT PART OF THE GRANT.

THAT'S CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT WAS JUST A ONE TIME GRANT.

SO THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN GO BACK AND RENEGOTIATE ON THAT.

CORRECT. SO THE GRANT, THE GRANT IS NOT GO BACK AND NEGOTIATE.

LIKE I SAID, IF WE DECIDED THAT WE DON'T WANT THE STREETCAR, THEN WE ARE OWED.

WE OWE THE FTA TO REIMBURSE THEM FOR THE FUNDS THAT THEY PUT IN.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN YOU RECOGNIZE FOR ONE MINUTE.

THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY REALIZE THAT DART WAS MAKING A CONTRIBUTION TO THE OPERATIONS OF THE STREETCAR.

AND I'M SORT OF SHOCKED TO FIND OUT, BECAUSE IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT CITY DOLLARS, WE'RE UNDERWRITING THE COST OF EACH RIDE BY OVER $10. BUT WITH DART'S CONTRIBUTION, WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT $14.80.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION IS WHAT ARE WE WILLING TO UNDERWRITE? WHAT COST ARE WE WILLING TO BEAR TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A COOL STREETCAR, AS OPPOSED TO A BUS THAT WOULD BE FULLY FUNDED BY DART? THANK YOU. I'M SORRY I GOT DISTRACTED BY THE FACT THAT THE TIMER SAYS NAN NAN AND NAN NAN.

NO, I WAS JUST SAYING NAN, NAN MENDELSOHN.

I KIND OF LIKE IT. THAT'S NOT VERY NICE.

FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TIME YOU ACTUALLY HAVE.

SORRY. I'M FINE.

I'M DONE WITH MY QUESTION.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ITEM.

IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE, IN WHICH CASE WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, THEN COME BACK AND TAKE THE LAST TWO.

[Closed Session]

SO WHILE WE WORK ON THE TIMER ISSUE, I WILL READ THIS LANGUAGE.

IT IS 11:58 A.M.

ON OCTOBER 18TH, 2023.

THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WILL NOW GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 551 .071 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT ON THE FOLLOWING MATTERS DESCRIBED ON TODAY'S AGENDA.

WITH THAT, WE WILL RECESS UNTIL 1 P.M..

OKAY. CITY COUNCIL MEETING HAS THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS COMPLETE.

ITS CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION FIVE, 51.071 AND 551 .07 FOR THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT.

AND AT 1:41 P.M.

ON OCTOBER 18TH, 2023, WE'VE NOW RETURNED TO OPEN SESSION.

MR. CITY MANAGER, BACK TO YOU.

THANK YOU.

MAYOR. YOUR NEXT BRIEFING THAT WAS CONTINUED FROM THIS MORNING AND POSTPONED, IS RELATED TO A PRESENTATION ON THE HUD CONSOLIDATED PLAN FOR FISCAL

[A. 23-1762 HUD Consolidated Plan for FY 2024-25 through FY 2028-29]

YEAR 25 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 29.

HUD REQUIRES THAT THE CITY SUBMIT A FIVE YEAR CONSOLIDATED PLAN IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR AND RECEIVE CDBG, HOME HOPWA, AND ESG GRANT FUNDS EACH YEAR.

OUR CURRENT FIVE YEAR PLAN ENDS SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2024, SO WE'RE BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A NEW FIVE YEAR PLAN.

I WILL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO JEANETTE WEEDEN, THE DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, AND SHANE WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, TO EXPLAIN HUD'S REQUIREMENTS AND OUR APPROACH TO DEVELOPING THE NEW CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

JEANETTE. GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU, MR. BROADNAX. AGAIN.

MY NAME IS JEANETTE WEEDEN, DIRECTOR OF BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

AS MENTIONED, I'M JOINED BY SHANE WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES, AND WE ARE HERE TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE HUD CONSOLIDATED PLAN BRIEFING ON SLIDE NUMBER TWO.

THIS BRIEFING IS OUR KICKOFF OF THE FIVE YEAR PLANNING PROCESS.

WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON HUD GRANTS, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBMITTING THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THE APPROACH THAT THE CITY WILL TAKE AND DISCUSS OUR SCHEDULE MOVING FORWARD.

ON SLIDE NUMBER THREE, WE PROVIDE BACKGROUND ON HUD GRANT PROGRAMS. AS YOU KNOW, HUD OFFERS NUMEROUS FEDERAL PROGRAMS FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND EACH YEAR WE COME TO CITY COUNCIL TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FOUR FORMAL GRANTS THAT THE CITY RECEIVES AS PART OF THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

ON SLIDE NUMBER FOUR, YOU WILL SEE THE LIST OF THE FOUR FORMULA GRANTS.

THERE'S THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT OR CDBG HOME INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM OR HOME EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS GRANT, OR ESG

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AND HOUSING OPPORTUNITY FOR PERSONS WITH AIDS.

HOPWA. TOGETHER, THESE FOUR GRANTS MAKE UP WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

ON SLIDE NUMBER FIVE, YOU SEE THE OVERARCHING REGULATIONS FOR THESE HUD GRANT PROGRAMS. HUD GRANT FUNDS ARE HIGHLY REGULATED, AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S DONE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE LISTED HERE ON SLIDE NUMBER FIVE.

ON SLIDE NUMBER SIX, WE PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF THE GRANT SPECIFIC REGULATIONS.

CDBG IS THE MOST FLEXIBLE OF THE FOUR GRANT PROGRAMS. AND THERE ARE MULTIPLE ELIGIBLE USE CATEGORIES FROM PUBLIC SERVICES TO HOUSING TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE CAN ONLY USE 15% OF THE CDBG FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSES OF PUBLIC SERVICES.

ON SLIDE NUMBER SEVEN, WE PROVIDE THE ELIGIBLE PERCENT ALLOCATIONS FOR THE OTHER THREE GRANT PROGRAMS FOR HOME GRANTS, 100% OF THESE FUNDS ARE USED FOR HOUSING ACTIVITIES FOR ESG OR EMERGENCY SOLUTIONS.

GRANT. 100% OF THE FUNDS ARE USED TO PREVENT HOMELESSNESS AND ASSIST THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY HOMELESS.

AND FOR HOPWA, 100% OF THE GRANT FUNDS ARE USED TO PROVIDE HOUSING AND SUPPORT SERVICES FOR INDIVIDUALS OR THEIR FAMILIES WHO HAVE A MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS OF HIV, HIV AND ARE LOW INCOME.

ON SLIDE NUMBER EIGHT, WE ARE SHOWING THE BUDGET THAT YOU PASSED IN JUNE.

FOR THE CURRENT YEAR, WE RECEIVED 31 MILLION FROM HUD AS PART OF THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN BUDGET THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, WITH 13.8 MILLION GOING TO CDBG.

6.4 MILLION FOR HOME, 1.2 MILLION FOR ESG AND 9.6 MILLION FOR HOPWA.

ON SLIDE NUMBER NINE, WE PROVIDE THE 20 YEAR HISTORY OF HUD FUNDING FOR THESE PROGRAMS, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE HISTORY OF THESE FUNDS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME. AND COMPARING FISCAL YEAR 24 FUNDING OF 31 MILLION TO FISCAL YEAR 25 OR FISCAL YEAR FIVE FUNDING OF 34 MILLION, TOTAL FUNDING HAS DECLINED BY 3 MILLION, OR 8.9%.

CDBG HAS EXPERIENCED THE LARGEST DECLINE DURING THIS TIME, FROM 21.2 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR ZERO 5 TO 13.8 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 24. YOU WILL ALSO NOTICE THAT FUNDS DIRECTED TOWARDS HOMELESSNESS AND HOPWA HAVE INCREASED OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, DESPITE THE OVERALL DECLINE IN THE GRANT NOW.

IN ORDER TO RECEIVE OR TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE HUD FUNDING, WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH HUD REQUIREMENTS AND PREPARE A FIVE OR A NEW FIVE YEAR PLAN. THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN IS DUE TO HUD IN AUGUST.

OUR CURRENT PLAN WILL EXPIRE AT THE END OF THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR IN AUGUST, AND THE NEW PLAN WILL COVER FISCAL YEAR 20 2425 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 28 THROUGH 29 OR 2829.

WE WILL BE SUBMITTING OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN TO HUD.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE SUBMIT THE FISCAL YEAR 25 BUDGET TO TO HUD.

NOW, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO SHAN WILLIAMS, WHO WILL GO THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACTUAL PLAN.

GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU.

JEANETTE. I AM SHAN WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR AND BUDGET AND MANAGEMENT SERVICES.

SO MOVING TO THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

THE PLAN ITSELF IS A STRATEGIC PLAN DOCUMENT THAT IDENTIFIES THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.

IT PRIORITIZES THOSE NEEDS AND LAYS OUT THE CITY'S PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS.

THE CITY'S NEEDS ARE IDENTIFIED BEING HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HOMELESSNESS, HUMAN SOCIAL NEEDS AND INFRASTRUCTURE.

I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT A KEY FEATURE FOR THESE GRANTS IS THAT WITHIN EACH OF THE CRITERIA REQUIRED FOR EACH GRANT, THE CITY IS ABLE TO CHOOSE HOW FUNDS WILL BE USED.

THE NEXT SLIDES WALK THROUGH HUD'S SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS.

WHEN DEVELOPING THAT PLAN, WE ARE REQUIRED TO USE HUD'S TEMPLATES AND HUD PROVIDES THE DATA TABLES AND NARRATIVE.

THE CITY HAS THE OPTION TO ADD MAPS AND TABLES AND MAKE SOME CUSTOMIZATIONS TO TELL OUR OWN STORY.

SLIDE 14.

WE GIVE THE SIX SECTIONS OF THE HUD TEMPLATE, WHICH INCLUDES NEEDS ASSESSMENTS, HOUSING MARKET ANALYSIS, STRATEGIC PLAN, AND THAT FIRST YEAR ACTION PLAN, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THE FOUR GRANTS.

ON SLIDE 16, WE SHARE THE CITY'S APPROACH TO DEVELOPING.

THE NEW PLAN IS PRIMARILY USING SOME OF THOSE EXISTING SYSTEMS AND WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

WE HAVE SOME OF THE POLICIES AND PLANS THAT BEEN APPROVED HERE AT THE CITY COUNCIL, INCLUDING THE HOUSING POLICY CAP, ETCETERA.

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SLIDE 17 PROVIDES THAT VISUAL OF HOW ALL THESE PLANS WORK TOGETHER TO INFORM DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLAN.

WE ALSO SEE WE HAVE THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, WHICH IS A CONSORTIUM OF HOMELESS SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT PROVIDE DATA FOR OUR ESG.

THE RYAN WHITE IS A REGIONAL SERVICE OF PROVIDERS FOR SERVICES TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IMPACTED BY HIV.

AND IS THESE ALL? THIS WORK IS CONSOLIDATED INTO ONE DOCUMENT, ACCORDING TO HUD'S PRESCRIBED TEMPLATE TO TELL THE CITY'S STORY.

ON SLIDE 18.

WE SHARED JUST THE NEXT STEPS AND THE SCHEDULE.

SO COLLABORATION WITH OUR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY TO DEVELOP THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES.

THE FULL CDC COMMISSION WILL VOTE ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION AT THEIR NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING.

SO FOLLOWING TODAY'S PRESENTATION, WE WILL SUBMIT THE CDC'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 10TH.

AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL AND YOUR INFORMATION, YOUR INPUT ON OUR PRELIMINARY PLANS.

DECEMBER 6TH, WE WILL RETURN WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDED APPROACH FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PLAN.

DECEMBER 13TH WE WILL SEEK COUNCIL'S INITIAL APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT ON THAT APPROACH.

THE NEXT SLIDE LAY OUT THE 20 2024 SCHEDULE, WHICH INCLUDES JANUARY AND FEBRUARY.

WE WILL BE MEETING AND PARTICIPATING WITH OUR RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS HEARING FROM THEM ON THE PLAN.

SO FAR FEBRUARY THROUGH JUNE, WE WILL ENGAGE IN OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT, PRELIMINARY ADOPTION OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN AND THAT NEW ONE YEAR ACTION PLAN.

AND THEN MAY IN JUNE, WE WILL HAVE A 30 DAY REVIEW AND COMMENT PERIOD TO PROVIDE INPUT.

FINAL ADOPTION IS SCHEDULED PLANNED FOR JUNE AND THEN IN AUGUST.

THESE DOCUMENTS WILL BE DUE TO HUD TO BE IN PLACE FOR OCTOBER 1ST, WHICH IS THE START OF OUR FISCAL YEAR 25.

AND THAT COMPLETES OUR PRESENTATION TODAY, AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

ALL RIGHT, BEFORE I GO TO QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT RIGHT NOW, CHAIRMAN CHAD WEST MAY LOOK COOLER THAN ANY DALLAS CITY COUNCIL MEMBER'S EVER LOOKED IN THE HISTORY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS? I MEAN, YOU LOOK COOL, BRO.

YOU LOOK REALLY COOL.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM A.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

HOW DO WE TRANSLATE THE HUD TEMPLATE CONTAINED IN SLIDE 14 INTO DOLLARS AND CENTS? WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO THE EQUATION? DO WE REQUEST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR DO WE JUST TELL HUD THESE ARE OUR NEEDS.

GIVE US WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD.

EACH YEAR.

BASED ON THE TEN YEAR CENSUS AND THE FIVE YEAR CENSUS, HUD INFORMS THE CITY.

IT IS A FORMAL ALLOCATION OF HOW MUCH EACH GRANT WILL BE, AND THEN EACH YEAR, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT THOSE FUNDS INTO THE NEEDS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. SO THERE ARE FORMULAS BASED SIMPLY ON POPULATION, ITS POPULATION, HOUSING INFORMATION.

I'VE GOT A LITTLE TEMPLATE HERE THAT BUT IT'S CENSUS DATA WHICH INCLUDES HOUSING AND IT INCLUDES POPULATION AND SOME OTHER FACTORS.

THE AGE OF HOUSING STOCK, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

OKAY. AND THAT FORMULA IS RECALCULATED EACH YEAR THE FIVE YEAR PLAN.

SO IT GOES UP OR DOWN ACCORDING TO THOSE FIGURES.

OR DOES IT STAY CONSTANT.

IT DOES. IT'S A ROLLING FIVE YEAR PLAN WITH THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA.

SO HUD HAS A FIVE YEAR SURVEY DATA.

AND EACH YEAR IT'S THE FORMULA IS WE CALCULATE IT.

IT DROPS OFF ONE YEAR.

SO THEN HUD USES THAT DATA TO ALLOCATE THE FORMULA IN BETWEEN CENSUSES.

YES OKAY.

SO IT CAN VARY YEAR TO YEAR.

YES. AND WHAT IS THE HISTORY BEEN.

HAS IT BEEN INCREASING.

WHAT'S THE TREND.

THE TREND HAS BEEN THE FUNDS HAVE BEEN DECREASING.

DECREASING. YES.

IN GENERAL THE CDBG GRANT HAS BEEN DECREASING BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA, IT ALSO DEPENDS ON HOW MANY ENTITLEMENT OTHER CITIES THAT ARE REACHING THE 50,000 POPULATION, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY GRANTEES ARE INCLUDED.

SO THE FEDERAL APPROPRIATION HAS BEEN PRETTY 3.3 BILLION AT THE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.

AND THEN AS THE COMMUNITY SURVEY DATA COMES INTO PLAY, AND THEN HOW MANY GRANTEES OR OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE OPTING IN WHEN THEY MEET THE 50,000

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POPULATION OR OPTING OUT NOT TO RECEIVE THEIR CDBG FUNDS? AND THEN HOW DOES THE CITY ALLOCATE THIS? $31 MILLION? SINCE WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO THAT WITHIN THE FOUR CATEGORIES OF GRANTS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL REVIEWS AND APPROVES? YES, SIR. EACH YEAR WE'RE NOTIFIED OF HOW MUCH THE CITY WILL RECEIVE FOR EACH OF THE FOUR GRANTS.

AND THE FOUR GRANTS ALL HAVE DIFFERENT CRITERIA.

ESG 100% HAS TO BE TO ADDRESS OUR HOMELESSNESS.

CDBG, BEING THE LARGER OF THE GRANT, HAS THE MOST FLEXIBILITY, HAS THE MOST ELIGIBLE CATEGORIES YOU CAN DO PUBLIC SERVICES AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND HOUSING.

THE OTHER THREE GRANTS ARE VERY LIMITED IN THEIR USE, BUT WE GET THAT MONEY EACH YEAR AND WE START WITH OUR CITIZENS, OUR RESIDENT AND STAKEHOLDER INPUT IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY AND THEN THE INPUT FROM OUR COMMISSION.

AND THEN THAT PROCESS STARTS AND GOES THROUGH FEBRUARY THROUGH JUNE EACH YEAR.

SO THAT FEBRUARY TO JUNE PROCESS IS WHAT DETERMINES HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY ALLOCATED BY HUD.

CORRECT? OKAY.

AND SO DOES THAT JUST GET POURED INTO THE HOUSING BUDGET OR OTHER BUDGETS, OR DOES IT COME TO THE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE ALLOCATIONS? OH, IT COMES TO THE COUNCIL.

YES, SIR. SEPARATE FROM THE ANNUAL BUDGET.

THAT IS THE ANNUAL BUDGET TO TO CLARIFY, IT'S SEPARATE FROM THE OPERATING BUDGET.

SO IT IS A SEPARATE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

WE COME BEFORE YOU IN MARCH AND APRIL AND THEN YOU APPROVE THE FINAL HUD BUDGET IN JUNE.

OH, OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID ON JUNE 14TH.

CORRECT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

CHAIRWOMAN MENDELSOHN, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

WE'RE ON ITEM A, EVERYONE.

THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE WITH THE FUNDING.

AND MY QUESTION IS IF IT'S INCLUSIVE OF COVID DOLLARS I KNOW WE GOT CDBG HOME AND ESG DOLLARS.

NO, NO. IS THERE A WAY TO PUT THAT IN THERE? BECAUSE, I MEAN, REALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT A PRETTY MASSIVE REDUCTION, REALLY, WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE LAST TWO YEARS.

RIGHT. SO WE CAN SHARE, I GUESS, IN A FOLLOW UP RESPONSE, THE OVERALL FUNDING THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM HUD, BECAUSE IT'S A COMBINATION OF COVID DOLLARS AS WELL AS DISASTER RESPONSE.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A TOTAL SUMMARY OF ALL FUNDING, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT.

OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.

OKAY. HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE IN THE PRIORITIZATION OF PROJECTS, ESPECIALLY WITH CDBG, OR DO YOU THINK YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HOLD STEADY? THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

LOOKING FORWARD TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT YEAR.

WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE FEEDBACK YET.

OKAY. AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE WORK.

WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO THE WORK FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION TO BRING FORWARD RECOMMENDATIONS ON IF THEY'RE PROPOSING ANY CHANGES IN THE ALLOCATION.

AND WE WOULD PRESENT THAT TO TO COUNCIL AS PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION.

AND THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY DOLLARS FOR US TO SHARE ABOUT WHAT IT'S COSTING US IN ADMINISTRATION? OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE TAKING I THINK THERE'S A 15% ADMIN THAT YOU CAN TAKE OFF OF THESE FUNDS.

BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'RE I THINK SUPPLEMENTING THAT.

AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT.

YES, WE CAN DO THAT.

BY MEMO OR YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT TODAY.

NO, IT HAS CHANGED MUCH.

WE CAN SEND IT BY FRIDAY.

MEMO. OKAY. THANK YOU.

CHAIRWOMAN SCHULTZ RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM A.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WAS WAITING FOR KERRY TO COME UP, BUT I WANTED TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE PLANS IN OUR OWN LEGISLATIVE AGENDA TO TRY TO SECURE MORE FUNDS MOVING FORWARD.

COUNCIL MEMBER, THIS IS KERRY ROGERS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. HI.

I APOLOGIZE, I JUST HADN'T RUN BACK DOWN THERE.

YES. AS PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM, WE DO LOOK AT THE EXISTING FUNDS, THE FUNDING STREAMS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE COMING IN.

AND THEN WHAT IS THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO TO EITHER MAINTAIN OR EXPAND THOSE FUNDING STREAMS THAT ALREADY SUPPORT OUR PARTICULAR PROGRAMS? I KNOW TO JEANETTE AND SHANE'S PRESENTATION, CDBG AND HOME FUNDS ARE A PRIORITY FOR THE CITY AND WERE ADOPTED IN OUR FEDERAL LEGISLATIVE PROGRAM FOR THE 118TH SESSION IN WHICH WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

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GREAT. THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

WERE YOU DONE? OKAY.

AS WELL AS YOUR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM A, THANK YOU.

SO SINCE CDBG AND SOME OF THESE OTHER CATEGORIES CROSS OVER SOME OF OUR BOND CATEGORIES, I KNOW WE'VE GOT TO MOVE TOWARD A BUDGET OF DELIVERY IN SEPTEMBER, BUT WE'RE ALSO MAY HAVE HAD A BOND ELECTION OR MAY BE MOVING TOWARD A BOND ELECTION, BUT WE WOULD HAVE IDENTIFIED PROJECTS.

HOW ARE THESE INFORMING EACH OTHER OR HOW ARE.

SO SOME BOND PROJECTS, SOME PROJECTS THAT MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR BOND PROMPTS.

IF THEY ARE IN LOW AND MODERATE INCOME COMMUNITIES, THEY MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR CDBG.

BUT THERE'S A CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE TO MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPLANTING CDBG DOLLARS, BECAUSE THAT IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.

SO YES, SOME OF THEM INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, SOME OF THEM CAN BE ALSO ELIGIBLE FOR CDBG.

WELL, I MEAN, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT IS OUR ECO DEV NUMBER, WHAT'S OUR HOUSING NUMBER? I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOME I MEAN, IF WE ARE ALLOCATING FUNDS FROM THE HUD FUNDS, THEN WE THAT SHOULD INFORM OUR BOND OR WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE AWARE OF IT.

I MEAN, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION WHETHER WE GO UP OR DOWN OR FEEL LIKE IT MIGHT BE COVERED BY A DIFFERENT BUCKET OF MONEY.

YES WE DO. I MEAN, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE BOND COMMITTEE AND THEN ULTIMATELY COUNCIL WORKS THROUGH.

I MEAN, THAT'S AN OPTION.

SO WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AS PART OF CDBG, THEN WE ITS BUDGET DEVELOPMENT.

SO ANY REQUESTS THAT COME IN FROM THE DEPARTMENTS IS CONSIDERED.

AND IT'S PART OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S SHARED WITH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE EXPENSE OF BOND FUNDS RIGHT NOW.

AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET AT SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF FAIR HOUSING ANYMORE TO QUALIFY FOR HUD FUNDS.

IS THAT RIGHT? FROM 20 RIGHT NOW WE ARE AN ANALYSIS OF IMPEDIMENT, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS BROUGHT BACK REQUIREMENTS FOR ANOTHER FHA AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING DOCUMENT.

OKAY. SO OUR LAST ONE WAS IN 2018.

AND GIVEN THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO EMBARK ON THIS FIVE YEAR PLAN, WHAT IS THE TIMING OR HAS THAT BEEN INITIATED AND WHAT WOULD THE TIMING BE OF GETTING THAT NEW AF BECAUSE OF WHEN OUR PLAN IS DUE? THE CITY IS STILL UNDER THE ANALYSIS OF IMPEDIMENT, BUT WE DO HAVE A TIMELINE WHERE WE HAVE TO CORRECT.

SO WE'RE NOW WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING, IT WILL BE OUR ANALYSIS OF IMPEDIMENT.

THE MORE DETAILED PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED LATER.

BUT I THINK IT'S I'M NOT EXACTLY BUT MAYBE 18 MONTHS AFTER WE SUBMIT.

SO THERE WILL BE A CHANCE THAT ONCE THAT'S DEVELOPED, IF THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO OUR FIVE YEAR PLAN, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

ITEM A. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

YOU DID PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND ON SOME OF THE ELIGIBLE USES AND CRITERIA, BUT CAN WE GET A LITTLE MORE DETAILED EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T USE THESE FUNDS FOR AND THEN UNDER.

HOME INVESTMENT OR ESG? ARE ANY OF THOSE DOLLARS USED FOR DALLAS HOUSING AUTHORITY? I'M WANDA MORELAND FROM HOMELESS SOLUTIONS IS COMING.

BUT PRELIMINARILY SHE'S SAYING NO.

OKAY. OKAY.

AND THEN SPECIFICALLY ON ESG, ARE WE ABLE TO USE DOLLARS FOR TRANSITIONAL OR TEMPORARY HOUSING? WE COULD.

IT IS AN ELIGIBLE USE, BUT THAT TENDS TO BE EXPENSIVE.

THE ENTIRE GRANT IS ONLY ABOUT $1 MILLION.

THAT'S OUR SMALLEST RESOURCE OF THE FOUR GRANTS.

AND WE DECIDE THOSE AMOUNTS PER CATEGORY.

OR DO WE GET OVER THAT? WAS IT 31 MILLION? DO WE GET TO DESIGNATE HOW MUCH FUNDS GO INTO EACH ONE? NO. HUD TELLS US HOW MUCH EACH GRANT IS, AND THEN WE ARE ALLOWED TO BUDGET WITHIN THAT AMOUNT.

SO HUD TELLS US THAT WE GET ABOUT 1.2 MILLION.

AND THEN WITHIN THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ALLOCATE TO ELIGIBLE USES.

OKAY. AND THEN ON PAGE 14 WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REQUIREMENTS AND NUMBER TWO THE PROCESS OR SORRY NUMBER THREE THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

WHO'S DOING THAT ASSESSMENT.

IS THAT INTERNAL. IS THAT US GOING TO TO RESIDENTS TO SEEK WHAT THEIR ASSESSMENT OF OUR NEED IS? OR IS THAT DONE HERE AT CITY HALL.

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SO THAT'S WHERE WE TALK ABOUT GETTING INTO SOME OF THE EXISTING WORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

THE CONTINUUM OF CARE, WHICH IS THE REGIONAL PROVIDERS FOR HOMELESS SOLUTIONS.

THEY HAVE A NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

HUD GIVES US A TEMPLATE AND THEY ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE REGION.

WE WOULD LOOK TO SOME OF THE EXISTING WORK.

WE HAVE AN ANNUAL POINT IN TIME COUNT.

WE HAVE THAT NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND ALL THE WORK THAT THE CONTINUUM DOES.

WE WOULD LOOK TO THOSE EXISTING WORK TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR THE CITY OF DALLAS.

SO THEIR ENGAGEMENT IN ACTIVITY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

SO FOR THIS, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY PROVIDERS WHO ARE WORKING ON THE CAUSE.

BUT ARE WE DOING ANY ASSESSMENT ON THE ON THE RESIDENTS, ON ON THE CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE ALSO PARTS OF, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE INTERESTED IN MAKING SOME CHANGES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THE NEEDS.

RIGHT? WE DO HAVE THOSE INPUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS.

JANUARY THROUGH FEBRUARY IS WHEN WE'RE DOING THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE, BUT LET'S MAKE SURE ANYONE ELSE ON ITEM A QUESTIONS, COMMENTS THOUGHTS OKAY.

THANK YOU. WONDERFUL JOB.

APPRECIATE YOU MR. CITY MANAGER, THAT YOU'RE READY TO GO OKAY.

HERE YOU GO. THANK YOU.

[C. 23-2530 Unattended Drop Box (UDB) Registration Program]

MAYOR, THE LAST BRIEFING FOR TODAY, WE HAVE A ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF CODE COMPLIANCE, CHAUNCEY WILLIAMS, JOINED BY DR.

KATINA ROBERTSON, SUPERINTENDENT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WILL BE BRIEFING YOU ON THE PROPOSED UNATTENDED DROP BOX REGISTRATION PROGRAM AND THE PROPOSED NEXT STEPS.

I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO CHAUNCEY FOR THE PRESENTATION AS WELL AS MRS. ROBERTSON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. MAYOR, AND ESTEEMED MEMBERS.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COUNCIL.

I'M CHAUNCEY WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CODE COMPLIANCE SERVICES.

PRESENTING WITH ME TODAY.

I HAVE DR.

KATINA ROBERTSON, THE FORMER ADMINISTRATOR FOR CODE COMPLIANCE SERVICES.

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A PROPOSED UNATTENDED DROP BOX REGISTRATION PROGRAM IN CONSIDERATION OF THE COUNCIL'S TIME. PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF WE DON'T FULLY READ ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THE 23 SLIDES IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY.

YOU WIN. YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

WE'LL SPEAK ABOUT THE BACKGROUND HISTORY AND OUR PROPOSED ACTIONS.

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BACK UP. ONE SLIDE, PLEASE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DEFINITION FOR THIS TYPE OF BOX IS RATHER LENGTHY, SO I PARAPHRASE IT SOMEWHAT UNATTENDED.

DROP BOXES ARE DEFINED AS BOXES THAT ARE USED FOR COLLECTING DONATED ITEMS OF PERSONAL PROPERTY TO BE USED BY THE OPERATOR.

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OUR PRIOR ACTIONS.

THIS SLIDE ILLUSTRATES OUR BRIEFING HISTORY TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMITTEE.

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AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES WITH UNATTENDED DROP BOXES.

I'LL HIT ON A COUPLE OF THE BULLET POINTS THEY CONTRIBUTE TO UNSIGHTLY NEIGHBORHOOD BLIGHT.

ILLEGAL DUMPING CONTRIBUTORS LEAVE PROHIBITED ITEMS SUCH AS FURNITURE, APPLIANCES, AND BULKY TRASH.

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THE PURPOSE.

THIS SLIDE DESCRIBES WHY THE PROGRAM IS NEEDED.

AND AGAIN, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WON'T READ THE ENTIRE SLIDE.

THE PURPOSE IS TO ELIMINATE NUISANCES AND BLIGHT ASSOCIATED WITH THE BOXES.

ESTABLISH OPERATOR OWNER ACCOUNTABILITY REGARDING THE BOXES.

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THESE PHOTOS DEPICT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE ENCOUNTERED WITH THE BOXES SINCE AUGUST OF 2022 TO PRESENT.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED 399 ATTENDED UNATTENDED DROP BOXES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

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HERE'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE RELEVANT TO THESE BOXES.

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THESE PHOTOS CONVEY SOME OF THE POTENTIAL SAFETY CONCERNS POSED BY THESE BOXES.

AS YOU CAN SEE OUT TO THE LEFT, DALLAS FIRE AND RESCUE HAS RESPONDED TO THE TWO INCIDENCES OF ARM ENTRAPMENTS.

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AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE'VE ENCOUNTERED FOUND 399 BOXES THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED SO FAR.

AS OF OCTOBER 2023, WE'VE HAD 88 CONFIRMED COMPLAINTS.

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THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE NUMBER OF UDS IN THE CITY BY COUNCIL DISTRICT.

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WE SURVEYED SEVERAL CITIES IN COMPARISON TO DALLAS.

OUR QUESTIONS ARE OUT TO THE LEFT HAND COLUMN.

WE SPOKE WITH THE CITY OF CITIES OF HOUSTON, SAN ANTONIO, ARLINGTON.

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WE ALSO SPOKE WITH THE CITIES OF FRISCO, SACRAMENTO AND OAKLAND.

ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED IS, IS THERE A DEDICATED ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THESE BOXES IN YOUR CITY? AND OF THE SIX SURVEYED CITIES, SIX OF THEM HAD PROGRAMS OR ORDINANCES THAT ADDRESS THESE BOXES.

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DR. ROBINSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONSUME OVER HERE? GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

I AM DR. ROBERTSON.

I WAS FORMERLY THE ADMINISTRATOR LEADING THIS PROJECT.

I WORKED CLOSELY WITH RENEE PARAMO, SEATED HERE TO MY LEFT, SUPERVISOR OF CODE COMPLIANCE COMMUNITY PROSECUTION TEAM, AS WELL AS ODIE HAYES, MANAGER OF THE NORTHWEST CODE DISTRICT AND INTERIM CODE ADMINISTRATOR.

STORMY GONZALEZ SEATED OVER THERE TO MY RIGHT.

SINCE TAKING ON THIS PROJECT, I'VE PROMOTED TO PARK AND RECREATION, BUT STILL WAS AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS PROJECT TO THE END.

I'LL CONTINUE THE PRESENTATION WITH SLIDE 14 ON THIS SLIDE.

STAFF IDENTIFIED 34 DIFFERENT BOX OWNER OPERATORS AND WE HAD 41% RESPONSE RATE.

WE ASKED EACH RESPONDENT FIVE QUESTIONS IF THEY WERE AWARE OF THE PENDING REGISTRATION PROGRAM, HOW MANY EXISTING USBS OR UNATTENDED BOXES THEY HAD, IF THEY OWNED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, OR IF THEY LEASE SPACES FOR USBS, AND WHAT WERE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PROGRAM? THE CORRESPONDING RESPONSES ARE NOTED BELOW.

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STAFF PROPOSED THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I'LL HIGHLIGHT A KEY.

SOME KEY RECOMMENDATIONS.

AN APPLICATION FEE OF $248, WHEREAS A DAMAGED OR DESTROYED DECAL REPLACEMENT WILL COST $101.

ALLOW NO MORE THAN TWO USBS PER LOT, WITH MAXIMUM DIMENSIONS NOT TO EXCEED 48IN BY 48IN BY 84IN IN HEIGHT. THE MAXIMUM DIMENSIONS RECOMMENDATIONS DOES NOT APPLY TO USBS PLACED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS ORDINANCE.

USBS WILL BE PROHIBITED IN PROPERTY SETBACKS, VISIBILITY TRIANGLES REQUIRED PARKING SPOTS, DRIVEWAYS, AND FIRE LANES.

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ADDITIONAL KEY CONSIDERATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE EDB'S PROHIBITED ON LOTS FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

EDB'S WILL REQUIRE MONITORING A WEEKLY COLLECTION, SERVICES AND REMOVAL OF LITTER OR ANY OTHER DETRACTORS WITHIN 25FT AND UDB PERMITS MAY BE REPLICATED SHOULD AN OPERATOR OWNER RECEIVE ONE OR MORE CITATION WITHIN THE PRECEDING 12 MONTHS.

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SIDE 17 REFLECTS A MENU OF OPTIONS DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS, NOTING THAT ACCORDING TO VISIT DALLAS, THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS 343 LAND

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MILES. HOWEVER, UTVS ARE PROHIBITED ON LOTS THAT HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES AND IT WILL BE PROHIBITED.

THEY WILL BE PROHIBITED IN FOREST AREA PARKS, MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES, AND STREET HIGHWAYS.

THOROUGHFARES. FURTHER REDUCING THAT 343 LAND MILES.

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I WANT TO TAKE JUST A FEW MOMENTS, JUST TO SPEND SOME TIME HERE TO LOOK AT THE PROCESS FLOW.

THE INITIAL REGISTRATION PROCESS OPERATORS WILL HAVE 60 DAYS TO REGISTER AFTER THE PASSAGE OF THIS ORDINANCE.

THE APPLICATION REVIEW AND PERMIT ISSUANCE WILL OCCUR WITHIN 60 DAYS.

IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT RECEIVED ON A UDB AND NO VIOLATION IS FILED, FOUND INSPECTION WILL BE CONDUCTED WITHIN SEVEN BUSINESS DAYS.

SEVEN DAYS IS A TEN DAY REINSPECT DAY.

HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE.

FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE IS A GOOD ANNUAL NOTICE ON FILE, THE TEN DAY RE-INSPECT WILL BE FORSAKEN AND A CITATION WILL BE ISSUED IMMEDIATELY UPON REINSPECTION. IF THE VIOLATION REMAINS, CITATION WILL BE ISSUED FOR 386 $386, AND PENALTY IS NOT TO EXCEED $2,000.

WE HAVE A PERMIT REVOCATION WRITTEN IN.

PERMIT MAY BE REVOKED IF ONE OR MORE CITATION WITHIN THE PRECEDING 12 MONTHS OCCURS, AND THERE IS A TEN DAY COMPLIANCE PERIOD.

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SLIDE 19 REFLECTS OUR APPLICATION OR ONLINE APPLICATION.

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SLIDE 20 IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT THE DECAL WILL LOOK LIKE.

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THE MARCH 2023 STUDY INDICATED A FULL COST RECOVERY WITH 400 BOXES BEING CONSIDERED, AND WE WROTE IN 248 INITIAL APPLICATION FEE WITH A $101 REPLACEMENT FEE.

THIS PROGRAM WERE NOT REQUIRED OR DOES NOT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL STAFFING.

THEREFORE, EXISTING STAFF WILL COLLECT AND REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS, UPDATE SALESFORCE ISSUE AND APPLY PERMITS.

CONDUCT ANY INSPECTIONS.

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OUR NEXT STEPS IS WINTER 2023.

UPON COUNCIL APPROVAL, WE WILL CREATE OUR ONLINE APPLICATION AND PERMITTING PROCESS.

CREATE AND DEPLOY OUR ONLINE PROCESS TO TRACK THE APPLICATIONS AND BOX LOCATIONS.

BY SPRING OF 2024, WILL INITIATE OUR MARKETING CAMPAIGN AND DETERMINE OUR PROGRAM.

GO LIVE DATE.

OUR NEXT STEPS IS WE'RE HERE SEEKING FULL COMMENT, SEEKING COMMENTS, DIRECTION AND APPROVAL OF FULL COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT THE UNATTENDED DROP BOX REGISTRATION PROGRAM.

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THIS CONCLUDES THE PROPOSED UDB REGISTRATION PROGRAM PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US THE TIME TO REVIEW OUR RESEARCH WITH YOU.

AND WE'RE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE FIRST AGAIN FIVE MINUTES.

ITEM C. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. DOCTOR ROBERTSON, DID I HEAR YOU SAY WHEN YOU WERE DISCUSSING I BELIEVE IT WAS SLIDE 15 THAT THIS REGULATION WOULD NOT APPLY TO EXISTING DROP BOXES. THAT'S CORRECT.

SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

THAT'S CORRECT. WELL, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD THIS.

WHAT IMPACT IS THIS GOING TO HAVE? I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SEEING A HUGE INFLUX OF NEW DROP BOXES, ARE WE, THAT THIS REGULATION WOULD APPLY TO.

HOW IS THIS GOING TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS? IT'S THE SIZE. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCIL MEMBER.

THE THE GRANDFATHER CLAUSE ONLY REFERS TO THE SIZE RESTRICTIONS, NOT THE NOT THE BOXES.

OH, OKAY. SO ALL EXISTING BOXES WOULD HAVE TO BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY AND WOULD BE SUBJECT TO VIOLATIONS FOR LITTER, ETCETERA. YES.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT.

AT THE QUALITY OF LIFE COMMITTEE BRIEFING, WHICH I ATTENDED, I RAISED A DEFINITIONAL ISSUE FOR THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN ATTENDED AND UNATTENDED BOXES AND I'M WONDERING IF THAT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE CURRENT OR REVISED VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE.

THE ISSUE BEING THIS IF A BOX IS ATTENDED FROM 8 TO 5 NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS, SAY FIVE DAYS A WEEK, BUT IT ISN'T IN THE EVENINGS OR THE WEEKENDS, IS IT GOING TO BE CONSIDERED AN ATTENDED OR AN UNATTENDED BOX, OR BOTH, BASED UPON DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE DAY?

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TO ASSIST IN REMEDYING THAT.

WE ARE DEFINITELY WILLING TO ADD THE DEFINITION OF ATTENDED TO THE ORDINANCE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ONLY ADDRESS UNATTENDED.

OKAY. WELL, IT MIGHT BE INCORPORATED IN THE DEFINITION OF UNATTENDED AS BOXES THAT ARE UNATTENDED FOR MORE THAN EIGHT HOURS A DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I THINK IT IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

OTHERWISE, OWNERS OF UNATTENDED WHAT WE MIGHT CONSIDER UNATTENDED BOXES MIGHT HAVE AN ATTENDANT THERE ONE HOUR A DAY OR A WEEK AND SAY, NO, THIS IS AN UNATTENDED BOX. IT'S NOT SUBJECT TO YOUR ORDINANCE.

SO IT'S A HOLE IN THE ORDINANCE.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR.

CHAIRMAN GRASSLEY YOU RECOGNIZE FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM C.

THANK YOU. JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

DO WE HAVE THE OR WILL THE OWNERS OR THE CITY WHO WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY AN APPLICATION LIKE OR WILL THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE ABILITY IF THEY DON'T WANT THE FOR EXISTING ONES? LET'S START THERE.

IF THEY IF THE PROPERTY OWNERS DETERMINE THROUGH ALL OF THIS, THEY DON'T WANT THESE UNATTENDED BOXES TO BE ON THEIR PROPERTY.

WHAT ARE THEIR ACTIONS TODAY? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILMAN GRACIE.

YES, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER DOES NOT WANT THE BOX ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY CAN DENY THEM ACTUALLY PLACEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.

NOW, IN THE ORDINANCE IT ALLOWS FOR EITHER THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD BE FOR ENFORCEMENT.

ACTION COULD BE TAKEN AGAINST THE BOX OWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER ITSELF.

BUT AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY OWNER MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THEY DON'T WANT IT, THEN THE ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST THE.

UNATTENDED DROP BOX.

IF THEY ALLOWED THEM TO PLACE IT ON THEIR PROPERTY, MORE THAN LIKELY THEY'VE GOT SOME STIPULATIONS IN PLACE FOR THEM TO GOVERN THEIR OWN BOXES AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE DEBRIS AND STUFF LIKE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX ITSELF.

AND THEN IF IN REGARDS TO, I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SPACING REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THROUGH ALL OF THIS, I BELIEVE I HEARD, WOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY APPLICATIONS.

YES. OKAY.

YES. ALL RIGHT, I'LL STOP THERE.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

CHAIRMAN WEST, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES ON ITEM C.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA.

THIS WAS INITIALLY REQUESTED TO BE CONSIDERED BY SOME CONSTITUENTS IN MY DISTRICT.

I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP PROBABLY BY OTHER DISTRICTS AS WELL.

AND I WANT TO I WANT TO SAY THANKS IN PARTICULAR TO CARL SIMPSON FOR JUMPING ON THIS AND SENDING THIS TO HIS STAFF.

AND CHAUNCEY AND DR.

ROBINSON HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.

AND I APPRECIATE DR. ROBINSON STICKING THROUGH THIS TILL WE GOT TO TO THIS BRIEFING TODAY AT LEAST.

AND THEN WE'VE HAD SOME WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THIS QUITE A BIT ON QUALITY OF LIFE, BOTH IN THE LAST QUALITY OF LIFE COMMITTEE AND THIS ONE.

AND MY COLLEAGUES REALLY PROVIDED SOME GOOD FEEDBACK.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, OKAY.

MR. RIDLEY ANSWERED ONE VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR ME, WHICH WAS THE GRANDFATHERING ISSUE.

I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR THAT.

MY OTHER ONE WAS ON THE ATTENDANT VERSUS UNATTENDED.

I'M SO GLAD TO HEAR STAFF'S GOING TO PUT THAT DEFINITION IN THE ORDINANCE.

I JUST WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR THAT THE CONCERN THAT I'M HEARING IS.

YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT TIGHT ON THIS DEFINITION, THEN A CASHIER WHO MIGHT BE WORKING ON A MONDAY IN ANY RANDOM STRIP MALL STORE THAT HAS ONE OF THESE BOXES MIGHT BE DESIGNATED AS THE ATTENDANT.

WE DON'T WE DON'T WANT THAT.

IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY WHO, IF YOU'RE DROPPING OFF YOUR STUFF, THEY SEE IT, THEY TAKE IT FROM YOU, OR THEY AT LEAST WITNESS YOU PUTTING IT IN THE BOX, NOT JUST SOME RANDOM DESIGNATED NAME OF SOMEBODY ON SITE.

AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING I HAD.

THE OTHER THING I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING CHANGED IS THE ORDINANCE SUGGESTS OR ALLOWS FOR TWO BOXES PER SIDE.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHY WE WE NEED THAT.

I THINK ONE BOX PER LOCATION WOULD BE I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE MY COLLEAGUES ARE AT.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M GOING TO DIE ON THE HILL FOR.

BUT THAT'S MY ONLY OTHER CHANGE THAT I WOULD ADD TO THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, AND WE WILL TAKE YOUR INFORMATION AND AND WE'RE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT AS LONG AS THE

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COUNCIL AGREES.

WERE YOU? WERE YOU FINISHED, CHAIRMAN WEST? JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE GOOD.

YEAH. OKAY.

TRYING TO DO THE MIC JOB THERE, BUT IT DIDN'T WORK.

NO, IT DIDN'T WORK. GO BACK TO BEING COOL.

CHAIRMAN MORENO, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

IS THERE ANY REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE THE DROP BOXES TO BE GRAFFITI RESISTANCE, OR TO GET A DESIGN THAT WILL PREVENT HANDS FROM BEING CAUGHT IN IN THE DROP BOXES FOR SAFETY CONCERNS? AND OBVIOUSLY IT REQUIRES GFR OR MS TO GO OUT THERE AND THAT COST OF TIME AND PERSONNEL TO TO SEND SOMEONE OUT TO THESE SITES.

THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR YOUR QUESTION.

CURRENTLY, WHAT WE HAVE WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE IS THAT THE UNATTENDED DROP BOX MUST HAVE A TAMPER RESISTANT LOCKING MECHANISM ON IT TO PREVENT ARMS GOING IN.

HOWEVER, THE STRUCTURE OF THE BOX WE DID NOT ADDRESS, BUT BASED ON WHAT THIS BODY REQUEST OR RECOMMENDS, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPLY.

OKAY. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH THE GRAFFITI RESISTANCE, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE EASILY WIPED DOWN BY THE THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNER OF THE DROP BOX, RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO IN AND REMOVE THE DROP BOX TO REPLACE IT OR TO PAINT OVER.

IT MIGHT BE AN EASIER WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT VANDALISM IS KEPT TO A MINIMUM.

WE'RE GOING TO THANK QUALITY OF LIFE FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED IN OUR CITY.

THE THE HAVOC THAT THEY'VE CAUSED THROUGHOUT NEIGHBORHOODS WITH WITH LITTER AND WITH PEOPLE NOT PLACING.

THE CLOTHING INSIDE THE DROP BOXES IS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED, AND HAVING MONITORING OF THE AREA AROUND IT, IT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL.

ALSO, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO HAVE MANNED OR DROP BOXES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO DIRECTLY, WE HAVE WHOLESALE SHOPS WHERE PEOPLE CAN DROP THESE OFF AS WELL AS NOW, MORE RECENTLY, WE HAVE NEW ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL SEND A BAG OR A BOX TO YOUR HOME WHERE YOU CAN PUT THOSE ITEMS IN THAT BOX AND PUT IT BACK IN THE MAILBOX, SO THAT WE DO PREVENT CLOTHING FROM BEING IN OUR LANDFILL, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO DO THAT PART OF OUR PROGRAM AS WELL, TO PREVENT MORE DEBRIS IN OUR LANDFILL.

BUT WE'RE WE'RE SO LUCKY NOW THAT WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO DISPOSE OF UNWANTED OR USED CLOTHING TO, TO HELP INDIVIDUALS THAT THAT NEED IT.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS INITIATIVE.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING IMPLEMENTED AND THEN FOLLOWING ON Y'ALL'S HANDS IN CODE, ENSURING THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THOSE THOSE REGULATIONS AND HAVING A TIDY INTERSECTION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBER MORENO, JUST TO NOTE REALLY QUICKLY, WE DON'T HAVE A GRAFFITI PAINT REMOVAL RESTRICTION ON THE BOX IN THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY, BUT WE DO HAVE A WEEKLY MAINTENANCE SITE PLAN FOR LITTER AND GRAFFITI IN THE ORDINANCE.

CHAIRMAN RIDLEY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED FOR THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

SLIDE 22.

UNDER NEXT STEPS INDICATES THAT IN WINTER OF THIS YEAR, UPON COUNCIL APPROVAL, YOU'LL CREATE THE APPLICATION, ETCETERA.

WHEN DO YOU PROPOSE TO BRING A FINAL ORDINANCE TO AN AGENDA MEETING FOR ADOPTION? THE ITEMS ACTUALLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK, I BELIEVE.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY. SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED AT LEAST ONE DEFINITION ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN THAT ORDINANCE.

WILL THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT? I BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CURRENTLY HAS A DEFINITION DRAFTED READY TO GO FOR THE ORDINANCE.

WILL THERE BE A GRACE PERIOD UPON ADOPTION IN THE ORDINANCE, SO THAT OWNERS OF THE OR OPERATORS OF THE DROP BOXES WILL HAVE A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, ALBEIT 14 DAYS OR 30 DAYS, TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT BEFORE IT WILL BE ENFORCED.

YES, COUNCILMAN RILEY, THERE IS A 60 DAY GRACE PERIOD.

60. OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT. AND IF AN SUP OR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PROHIBITS THIS KIND OF USE FOR UNATTENDED DROP BOXES, WILL THAT BE PERMISSIBLE? THIS IS REALLY A QUESTION FOR CITY ATTORNEY.

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I'M NOT SURE THAT WE HAVE ANY PDS THAT, THAT, THAT ACTUALLY MAKE THIS A LAND USE.

IT'S IT'S NOT WE DON'T CONSIDER IT A LAND USE.

THERE'S NO CO ISSUED.

THERE'S THERE'S NO.

OKAY. SO A PD ORDINANCE COULDN'T PROHIBIT DROP BOXES.

I MEAN I SUPPOSE IN THEORY THEY COULD.

BUT AGAIN THEY'RE NOT LAND USES.

AND SO YOU CAN PROHIBIT THEM IN THE SETBACK OR OTHER.

YOU WOULD REGULATE THEM LIKE YOU WOULD ANY OTHER IN A SETBACK.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT MONUMENTS OR OTHER ITEMS. SO THAT'S JUST BLANKET PROHIBIT THEM IN AN SP OR A PD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY COULD BECAUSE IT'S NOT A LAND USE.

IT WOULD JUST HAVE THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO REQUIRE THE REGULATION COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS IN THE PD AS WELL AS REGISTER.

SO THEY MAY HAVE DUPLICATE.

GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, AN SUP.

THE LATE NIGHT SHOPS IN GREENVILLE FREQUENTLY HAVE A CONDITION ABOUT NO AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTSIDE, PERHAPS AFTER A CERTAIN HOUR.

THAT'S NOT A LAND USE.

THIS SEEMS TO ME TO BE ANALOGOUS.

IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE SOMEONE ON STAFF OR PLANNING COMMISSION MIGHT DECIDE IS UNDESIRABLE AT THIS LOCATION, AND INSERT A CONDITION THAT NO UNATTENDED DROP BOXES BE ALLOWED ON THIS PROPERTY.

WE'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT I THINK IT WOULD.

WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CONFLICT WITH THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS THAT ALLOW THEM IN ALL PLACES OTHER THAN RESIDENTIAL.

YOU CAN'T AMEND ONE ORDINANCE TO CHANGE ANOTHER.

AND SO THE REGISTRATION REQUIREMENTS TELLS TELLS YOU WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED AND WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE.

SO YOU CAN'T CHANGE THAT THROUGH ANOTHER ORDINANCE.

WELL, WE CHANGED ZONING ORDINANCE WITH PDS.

WE CAN GET YOU A MORE DEFINITIVE ANSWER.

THANK YOU. AND THEN FINALLY, HOW WILL THIS BE ENFORCED, PARTICULARLY IN A SITUATION OF AN EXISTING DROP BOX AND OWNER OF THE PROPERTY DOESN'T KNOW IT'S THERE OR DOESN'T CARE? IS IT JUST GOING TO BE COMPLAINT BASED, OR WILL YOU HAVE CODE OFFICIALS WHO WILL INSPECT FOR DROP BOXES TO SEE IF THEY'VE GOT THE STICKER? THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR YOUR QUESTION.

IT'S BOTH. IT WILL BE COMPLAINT BASED AND PROACTIVE.

OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. MAYOR, I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE.

BUT JUST TO BE SURE.

ANYONE ELSE GOT A QUESTION ON ITEM C OR COMMENT THOUGHT.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, I APPRECIATE IT.

VERY INFORMATIVE PANEL.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YOU REPRESENT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TODAY.

SO YOU WANT TO TELL US IF WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE NEEDS TO DEAL WITH? GO AHEAD. YOU'RE ON THE MIC. TURN IT ON FIRST.

YOU GOT TO TURN IT ON. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AT THIS TIME, THAT COMPLETES STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND AND PRESENTATIONS.

THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL, YOU HEARD IT FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THERE.

THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. SO WITH THAT, IT'S 2:31 P.M..

AND THIS MEETING OF THE DALLAS CITY COUNCIL IS ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.

Oct 18, 2023 Council Briefing

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